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Supermanxxx
09-14-15, 20:17
I picked her up around Metro Kreshchatik and McDonald's in the early afternoon.
Mind telling us where you found this girl?
I'm not asking to give us her link or phone number. Just which agency, site or whatever.
Supermanxxx
09-14-15, 20:19
About my reports, basic qualification of the men whom the girls want to meet: look about 25 and not much older and work here in a good job! BTW, teach English here is not a good job! Tourists are definitely disqualified. And lots of the other conditions would have to be met.
The girls in my reports are the ones that senior member Rinna talked about in his post below that lots of conditions would have to be met and most foreigners are automatically disqualified.
Supermanxxx
09-14-15, 21:34
Today two horny girls came by one after another, one 20 and other 21. Both blond. One big tits and one small. One not tall and average weight and the other tall and thin.
Both are wet and horny. The 20 year old Came by first and she's been asking and asking to come over for the last 3 days, practically begging: " Can we meet today, dear? Blah blah".
She works in a clothing store and was so horny that she took off in the middle of work for 3 hours to get fucked. As soon as she arrived, she asked to go to the bedroom. I said let's sit and relax a bit then go, OK? Nope, after 5 min. , again she asked to get fucked. "OK, let's go, I said. You're horny. " So we went and I plucked her horny wet hole till her time to go back to work. It was a good fuck, worth every kopeks, though she didn't want me to come inside her and asked me to come on her tummy but who TF wants to do that! Maybe I come in your mouth or your asshole. Nope, she probably wouldn't go for that either. If I am a boob man, I'd come on her big tits, but I am not.
While I was fucking the 20 year old, the 21 year old Called twice and I had to stop in the middle of it to turn the phone off! She thought it was a call for my business (LOL) and didn't know it's another horny girl calling! Shortly after she left, I called the 21 year old back and she wanted to come in an hour; so I said OK, though I was thinking of scheduling her for tomorrow, but WTF, I'll do her too today.
So she arrived a little early just like the earlier one. Came by a cab and asked for 50 to go back out to pay for it. She likes to talk, drink and eat a bit before she got fucked. She likes to take a long shower, probably masturbated with the shower head (I guessed afterward) as she said afterward that she had clitoral orgasm. We started DFK as we grope each other. Then, she knelt down and started to suck my cock. I told her to look at me while she sucked and she did. Nice horny beautiful blue eyes. Then, I grabbed her and pushed her on the sofa and pushed my cock into her little wet hole. Plucked her for little while and she started coming, grabbing cushions and herself and biting her teeth. Afterward, her hole was so fucking wet that her juices dripped down her asshole. Plucked and plucked her horny wet hole some more and some more; she came again and again, and she started playing with her own clit and masturbated at the same time. Really horny girl, even more horny than the first one! After she said she came 6 times and her hole was sore, she asked me to stop and wanted a little rest and go to the restroom. So I said, OK. She came back and we small talked a bit; then went back to action. Since she couldn't take it much more, I pounded her still wet hole for a couple of minutes and she started coming again as I was coming and mine exploding inside her tiny wet whole with waves of explosion and explosion. That's how she said she wanted it. Asked for 4 to ride the metro and left.
Most Kiev girls on Mamba who offer P4 P post fake photos, even if they write that the photos are real. Here are some girls with real (non fake) photos.
Iriss http://www.mamba.ru/mb1265334020?hit=10&sp=5 (she speaks English a little; A-level).
Alena http://www.mamba.ru/mb1332817077?hit=10&sp=7 (she speaks English; A-level; she has at least half a dozen profiles on Mamba with different names / Sabrina / Albina etc.).
Natali http://www.mamba.ru/mb1289394483?hit=10&sp=15.
Janna http://www.mamba.ru/jane873?hit=10&sp=107 (she speaks English).
On Ukrgo 99% of the photos are fake.
Supermanxxx
09-15-15, 18:13
This morning the 18 year old ballet dancer student girl SMS me that she wanted to come at 12:00 for a quick fuck during a break in school and she'd have to leave in about an hour. She has giggly voice and a real nice body with a barbie waistline, nice legs and a nice round bubble ass. You guys would probably rate her a 8 or 9 if she were pole dancing in Rio. I give her between a 7.5 to a 8. As soon as she arrived, we started kissing and groping each other because she's got only an hour! After few minutes, I put her on the sofa. Spread her legs and pushed my cock inside her horny wet hole as it had been 5 days ago since she was here, probably needed a good fuck. After a little while, she started to moan, move her body and grab her own tits. I plucked her small hole (yeah again a small hole, which is fairly hard on my cock because afterward it felt really sore because of the rubbing of her **** on my cock; even though her small hole was really wet.) till she's really wet (she probably came). I plucked and plucked her wet small hole some more, and she started doing this weird shit again twisting and lifting her hips, which made it hard to fuck; so I had to push her down and to pluck her forcefully. About mid point, I took her to the bedroom to fuck her some more. Not for too long, she started doing this weird shit again twisting and lifting her hips every now and then. She probably came a couple of times from what I observed (I didn't ask how many.) After about 50 minutes into action, while I was fucking her in missionary, she began to twist her hips again and this time she made me came inside her and it always ended up like this with her. She has a way to extract my cum inside her, even after I came two times already sometimes. I think she wanted to make me finish as she had enough and herself finished a couple of times. So she thanked me (she's got nice manner there), kissed me good bye and left. I could call and get another girl in, but my little general down there is quite sore; so I'd better take a break and called it a day.
AColonizer
09-16-15, 11:11
I read the last reports and according to the wording of the text, I think this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev.
AColonizer
09-16-15, 11:44
What about the exchange from grivnas TO dollars at the exchange offices in Ukrainian airports, do you know it is necessary a specific certificate to change grivnas TO dollars? Is it possible hundreds of mongers never dealt with this Ukrainian legal scam?
NightOwl69
09-16-15, 12:32
What about the exchange from grivnas TO dollars at the exchange offices in Ukrainian airports, do you know it is necessary a specific certificate to change grivnas TO dollars? Is it possible hundreds of mongers never dealt with this Ukrainian legal scam?I don't think you can, I always end up with lost of Hryvnia, you can buy dollars from some exchange guys near the midan but they will give you very bad value for your money.
I chose to keep it to the next trip.
Cheers.
Horny Monger
09-16-15, 16:13
I read the last reports and according to the wording of the text, I think this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev.You're right. Mongering in Kiev is hard, and there are almost no 8 or 9's on my scale that I've seen, and I've been in Kiev many many days in the last two years(you need many many hands to count them).
Like several experienced members had posted a good while back, the girls on Mamba are skanks!
Mongering in Kiev is hard, hard work if you're not paying tourist price.
And many members on this thread and others are paying tourist prices even for Mamba skanks! And waste tons of time just doing that.
In order to save time and get a much better selection, you might as well go to apartment girls and massage parlors.
Get girls in bars and discos in the center is even more expensive, and let me repeat; "You might as well stay home, save your airfare and accommodation costs and order in locally. And it'll be cheaper and waste less time. ".
The reports on this thread made it sounds like maybe all the best looking Kiev girls are in Rio, but I've never been there; so I can't say that.
The best looking girls, 10 on the modelling scale, who were also among the best fucks I've been with while Mongering are in WESTERN EUROPE, then E.E...
Horny Monger
09-16-15, 16:49
I won't be using Relax again and in the past with both Mamba and Top modals I have had the same bait and switch experience. I think I will have to be patient in future-looking for girls in the clubs or hoping for recommendations from Field Reports on this site.Mamba is terrible, full of bait and switches. I might add there are also quite a few scamsters and many young transsexuals on that site.
It's a complete waiste of time!
Yeah, I'm sure they want it both ways, meaning a young handsome guy who also gives them money. I'm 46, and while I think I'm pretty good looking and athletic, I'm still 46. Back home, it would be enormous work to get a pretty 26 year old. Doable after many attempts and a long time, but certainly not easy. And offering money to young college students here (meaning in the US) will probably not increase my chances all that much (although, yeah, even here in the US it's happening more and more.) In Kiev it, offering money improves your chances quite a bit. But it won't make it 100%. The whole idea of Mamba is that they want to see *your* picture too.Have you ever tried any of the "sugar daddy" type websites in the US? Maybe the way to go.
God knows what's happened to Kiev in the last ten years. You used to be able to pick up young hotties for free or almost free in Shooters and 112 (remember that place?) Now you wonder where all the good looking girls have gone. The barely average ones want to be sponsored and name their terms. Many dancers in Rio turn down $300 to come home with you or. Get this. Say they'll come (for the $300) but only talk and do nothing sexual. Ukrainians seem no richer, or better off in any other way; so where does this attitude come from?
On top of that I see big groups of stag party Brits on the plane to / from London. The kiss of death.
At Ash1001 and At Horny Monger,
No I haven't tried US based Sugar Daddy websites and not sure if it would be my thing. While I've only been to Kiev once, I'd say I'm pretty experienced in international mongering. The "it used to be so much better" is heard everywhere. From Pattaya / BKK to Angeles City / Manila to Macau to Medellin. I suspect in Kiev 15 years ago a girl may have thought such and such American / Western European dude is going to marry me and take me home with him. Now they know better. Still, I had a great time in Kiev and met two really cool girls on Mamba and one of them introduced me to two really cool friends of hers. Yes, they had some mileage on them. But still pretty and friendly. It's not like you'll find virgins in Thailand or Frankfurt. Also met one VERY cool girl on Travel Girls. So cool I'm hesitant to share. Was it cheap? Compared to an FKK? Yes and no. 50 Euros sounds cheap, but if you want to take an FKK girl home with you. If she would ever agree. You are talking 500 Euros. Not that I ever seriously asked, but I put up a few queries just to get an idea and I was told that's what the asking price was. So a couple of hundred bucks for 13 or 14 hours seems like a bargain to me. I heard there are some cool mongering places in Spain, but I've never tried so can't say.
I would say Kiev is a great place to monger. For people who prefer a certain style of mongering. If I never go to an FKK again, I won't miss it. I do like Thai / Philippines BJ bars, which you will never find in Kiev (as far as I know) But otherwise, I'd rather go to Kiev. At least for now. The other thing is Language. Knowing some Russian helps a lot. I like conversation and talking to a girl for a while. It helps get the juices flowing. I think you will be hard pressed to find girls as pretty as in Kiev except for FKKs, and I'm not keen on those at all anymore. Walking around Kiev I saw a lot more pretty women than in most Western European cities.
That said, If you are a quick in and out kind of guy, (absolutely nothing wrong with that) then FKKs and Soi 6 Pattaya will work better for you than Kiev. But everyone wants different things. I want what's in Kiev.
MartinReunion
09-17-15, 09:03
Does anyone know Milana http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401 ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.
Horny Monger
09-17-15, 11:21
Virgins in Thailand sounds pretty good! Maybe we all should go to Thailand. Cheaper, fresher pussies and warmer weather!
Why would anyone want to take a girl home for 13 or 14 hours and pay 500 Euros for it or even a couple of hundred bucks for it ?? It's not like they'll let you f*ck them for anymore than an hour or two at best. I am talking about the length of time you're actually doing the deed.
I only heard from WGs that aging mongers likes to talk, chat and pat them or feed them candies; some of them paid for just that and didn't even have sex! Are those mongers afraid to be alone? Don't be afraid to be alone! I saw plenty of Kiev women dine by themselves. No kidding!
Yeah, Kiev is for aging mongers, who like to talk, chat and pat the girls and those who has tons of time to waste and bundles of cash to burn.
I guess if a man gets old, lots of young girls start to look good to him. Even the ones he probably wouldn't look in his 20's and he is looking at them now.
At Ash1001 and At Horny Monger,
It's not like you'll find virgins in Thailand or Frankfurt. Also met one VERY cool girl on Travel Girls. So cool I'm hesitant to share. Was it cheap? Compared to an FKK? Yes and no. 50 Euros sounds cheap, but if you want to take an FKK girl home with you. If she would ever agree. You are talking 500 Euros. Not that I ever seriously asked, but I put up a few queries just to get an idea and I was told that's what the asking price was. So a couple of hundred bucks for 13 or 14 hours seems like a bargain to me. I heard there are some cool mongering places in Spain, but I've never tried so can't say.
Walking around Kiev I saw a lot more pretty women than in most Western European cities.
That said, If you are a quick in and out kind of guy, (absolutely nothing wrong with that) then FKKs and Soi 6 Pattaya will work better for you than Kiev. But everyone wants different things. I want what's in Kiev.
Guys,
I heard that Vodka bar was closed. Which clubs will you offer for mongering? Shooters, Caribbean, Buddha bar, arena or the Lux?
LuisVega11
09-17-15, 16:23
Like the gryvnas.
I spend at least 200 days in the last 3 years,. So I know girls and situation here.
Come 10 days so far and my impression is that really the city is over for good mongering, I mean not for paying ugly prostitutes in mamba or found somewhere in apartment in Kiev.
I mean over to fuck quality girl with body and brain, funny, good heart.
1- Quality of girl: I was used to see many 9 a day in Kiev, now the quality in many days is lower compared to the past. Less attitude to wear sexy and high heels. The situation contributed to this and also a lot of desperate man, included a lot of tourists stopping every girl.
2- Attitude: once I stopped and talk with a lot of girl take contact see them and fuck. Now its difficult even talk with girl.
3-Greediness: the situation didn't take them to the past, but only contributed to make most of them greedy, watching tourist like bancomat but bot like before, now they not even want fuck.
4-Nightlife: practically non existent. Most of club closed, decadence will close forever 22 and a casino will come, this mean lot of high end and expensive prostitutes. The city is completely dead after 22, I went to some club, nobody there, girl work work work or pretend to work and then go home.
5- SCUM in action: attention those who pays, there are an army of people out there in Kiev waiting tourist and taking everything from them, thanks to their girlfriends. I know any guys here and some not very recommended and they told me in Kiev the scums towards tourist are raising, and most of girl especially from web are central in this. So attention especially from mamba, never give real address but meet near your house, double check any girl, never give real name.
All in all I had to stay longer but decide to come back, first time in my life, after 10 of 35 days planned. Maybe if I stay all period I will fuck many girl I have known now and from the past, but for me there is the lack of fun and easy mongering that makes this city no more appealing, the tourists thanks to the army of poor men overpaying girls here are completely out of place here.
What about the exchange from grivnas TO dollars at the exchange offices in Ukrainian airports, do you know it is necessary a specific certificate to change grivnas TO dollars? Is it possible hundreds of mongers never dealt with this Ukrainian legal scam?I usually keep the larger denominations (100+) for my next trip, while all change goes to some babushka on my way out of town.
H.
Horny Monger
09-17-15, 17:08
I usually keep the 500's (it's too cumbersome to carry bundles of 100 notes around) but never for the next trip because the grivna's got only one way to go. Why keep a depreciating currency? I am also trying to dump my euros while I am here. I am glad two year ago I kept only trivial amount of new banknotes as a souvenir on my way out. This time I 'll spent all before I leave.
I usually keep the larger denominations (100+) for my next trip, while all change goes to some babushka on my way out of town.
H.
NightOwl69
09-17-15, 17:13
I am also trying dump my euros while I am here.Oh, if I am in Kiev right now I will take of off you all the Euros you have, I only use $ when going to USA euro is much more useful to me.
Cheers.
AColonizer
09-17-15, 17:44
You are right, but your story is well known for years, unfortunately.
Instead I meant there are a lot of invented tales by girls' pimps, and pimp is literally pimp, in this thread.
You're right. Mongering in Kiev is hard, and there are almost no 8 or 9's on my scale that I've seen, and I've been in Kiev many many days in the last two years(you need many many hands to count them).
Like several experienced members had posted a good while back, the girls on Mamba are skanks!
Mongering in Kiev is hard, hard work if you're not paying tourist price.
And many members on this thread and others are paying tourist prices even for Mamba skanks! And waste tons of time just doing that.
In order to save time and get a much better selection, you might as well go to apartment girls and massage parlors....
AColonizer
09-17-15, 17:52
That's a mix of different girls from the past and from the present. For example, I have recognized a prostitute of 5 years ago.
Members should understand Kiev profiles have become like Moscow profiles: 100% fake.
Does anyone know Milana http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401 ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.
AColonizer
09-17-15, 17:57
You understood me. But what about if you still have some grivnas at the departure? Exchange offices asked me a specific certificate, imposed by Ukrainian law, and this should be given to foreigners when they exchange dollars to grivnas. But no exchange office in the center of Kiev does that!
I usually keep the 500's (it's too cumbersome to carry bundles of 100 notes around) but never for the next trip because the grivna's got only one way to go. Why keep a depreciating currency? I am also trying to dump my euros while I am here. I am glad two year ago I kept only trivial amount of new banknotes as a souvenir on my way out. This time I 'll spent all before I leave.
CallSign Papa
09-17-15, 18:31
I read the last reports and according to the wording of the text, I think this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev.For the first time in the history of ISG I find myself agreeing with AColonizer. Some recent posts are sounding way too similar to the readers letter from Penthouse.
Does anyone know Milana http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401 ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.No, but I'm sure she's a very good friend of yours.
MartinReunion
09-18-15, 07:14
No, but I'm sure she's a very good friend of yours.The fact that I am posting for the first time, after years of reading, doesn't necessarily make me suspect of unwanted commercial activity. Just a Dutchman doing his homework. Thanks for any info, wouldn't you agree this is an. Elaborate profile?
Horny Monger
09-18-15, 10:00
I changed the left-over UAH back into $'s in the morning before I left for the airport on the last trip.
I did not have problem changing UAH into dollars in the center. I always went to the same place; the woman recognized me.
There used to be one on Kreshschatyk right next to the arch stairway that looked at your passport, made copies and then gave you the certificate and the UAH.
I found that annoying; so I just went to places which don't do that.
I noticed it's closed now.
But I am sure you can find other places in the center that give you the certificate.
The banks always give you the certificate.
You understood me. But what about if you still have some grivnas at the departure? Exchange offices asked me a specific certificate, imposed by Ukrainian law, and this should be given to foreigners when they exchange dollars to grivnas. But no exchange office in the center of Kiev does that!
What's seriously lacking in Kiev is a decent venue to meet and mingle with pro / semi p4 p girls. River Palace was perfection, Buddha bar was an inferior, overpriced copy for a short while. There's probably still some action there if you are prepared to pay $300 for two hours. I got a girl from there once in the late afternoon, had dinner with her for an hour or so then two hours of action (DFK, nothing bareback) at my place. She was a sweet girl as pros go.
The endless frustration of Mamba, with its fake profiles and photos and girls showing up (hours) late, if at all, is a far cry from what Kiev used to be. Sitting around waiting for a girl to show up is my idea of a pain the rear. DruidFire, you seem to have been remarkably lucky with your experiences. I'm assuming you did loads of vetting to weed out the potential flakes and fakes?
Shooters used to have a fair few girls on the game, no idea what the situation is now but it does have lots of pretty young student types. I remember asking a few if they were interested in sponsorship, most said no. One was interested (at $500 pw. This was in 2010). A tall, curvy, beautiful 21 yr old redhead called Yana. We went on an (expensive) date at Buddha bar during which we were kissing a lot. Her fat English speaking friend joined us as broker, trying to persuade the hesitant Yana to seal the deal. After that I never saw her again. She literally disappeared.
I must emphasise: what I want is a place to socially mingle with them (a bar, disco etc.) before taking them home OR NOT as I choose. That's worth paying a premium for.
Virgins in Thailand sounds pretty good! Maybe we all should go to Thailand. Cheaper, fresher pussies and warmer weather!
Why would anyone want to take a girl home for 13 or 14 hours and pay 500 Euros for it or even a couple of hundred bucks for it ?? It's not like they'll let you f*ck them for anymore than an hour or two at best. I am talking about the length of time you're actually doing the deed.
I only heard from WGs that aging mongers likes to talk, chat and pat them or feed them candies; some of them paid for just that and didn't even have sex! Are those mongers afraid to be alone? Don't be afraid to be alone! I saw plenty of Kiev women dine by themselves. No kidding!
Yeah, Kiev is for aging mongers, who like to talk, chat and pat the girls and those who has tons of time to waste and bundles of cash to burn.
I guess if a man gets old, lots of young girls start to look good to him. Even the ones he probably wouldn't look in his 20's and he is looking at them now.As I mentioned before, I'm 46. Not sure how much that has to do with it as I've seen plenty of much older guys at FKKs and in Thailand / Philippines. Personally on a mongering trip, I like to find one really cool girl that is fun to hang out with and several cute girls that I like to have sex with and go. Kiev is great for that and you don't have to be a millionaire to do it. But if you are into quick, rapid fire mongering, then yeah. FKKs and Asia are better than Kiev. Everybody is different and wants different things.
Horny Monger
09-18-15, 16:41
The endless frustration of Mamba, with its fake profiles and photos and girls showing up (hours) late, if at all, is a far cry from what Kiev used to be. Sitting around waiting for a girl to show up is my idea of a pain the rear. You got it, my friend. You got it right on the dot!
That's an accurate discription of meeting girls there. A complete waste of time! And money, of course, even if they don't show, because you paid for accommodation.
Horny Monger
09-18-15, 17:15
Today the 20 year old inquisitive cautious busty blond messaged that she had 2 to 2. 5 hours free from work and that she wanted to meet, I. E. Fuck. Actually, me fucking her because she just lay there spreading her legs with her head on a pillow for comfort! What a lazy be*tch! She only did lousy oral for a minute, shallow and with her hand then wanted to lay down and have me do all the work! She didn't want me to come in her mouth, didn't want me to come on her face and didn't want me to come in her ass. The only salvaging thing is that she let me fuck her pussy for a long time. I poked her until she be*tched about her pussy being sore and little painful. So, I asked her to do oral but again she did her lousy oral for a minute, shallow and with her hand and stopped just as I was feeling good. Terrible BJ. She came at 14.20 and left at 16:00 and wasted almost no time talking, etc.
Horny Monger
09-18-15, 17:32
Like the gryvnas.
I spend at least 200 days in the last 3 years,. So I know girls and situation here.
Come 10 days so far and my impression is that really the city is over for good mongering, I mean not for paying ugly prostitutes in mamba or found somewhere in apartment in Kiev.
I mean over to fuck quality girl with body and brain, funny, good heart.
1- Quality of girl: I was used to see many 9 a day in Kiev, now the quality in many days is lower compared to the past. Less attitude to wear sexy and high heels. The situation contributed to this and also a lot of desperate man, included a lot of tourists stopping every girl.
2- Attitude: once I stopped and talk with a lot of girl take contact see them and fuck. Now its difficult even talk with girl.
3-Greediness: the situation didn't take them to the past, but only contributed to make most of them greedy, watching tourist like bancomat but bot like before, now they not even want fuck.
4-Nightlife: practically non existent. Most of club closed, decadence will close forever 22 and a casino will come, this mean lot of high end and expensive prostitutes. The city is completely dead after 22, I went to some club, nobody there, girl work work work or pretend to work and then go home.
5- SCUM in action: attention those who pays, there are an army of people out there in Kiev waiting tourist and taking everything from them, thanks to their girlfriends. I know any guys here and some not very recommended and they told me in Kiev the scums towards tourist are raising, and most of girl especially from web are central in this. So attention especially from mamba, never give real address but meet near your house, double check any girl, never give real name.
All in all I had to stay longer but decide to come back, first time in my life, after 10 of 35 days planned. Maybe if I stay all period I will fuck many girl I have known now and from the past, but for me there is the lack of fun and easy mongering that makes this city no more appealing, the tourists thanks to the army of poor men overpaying girls here are completely out of place here.What you said is all very accurate and right on the dot!
I wasn't here during the easy mongering days in Kiev.
I was in Western Europe and met some cover models and in E E and met some really good-looking and cool girls there! So nothing to regret!
Now in Kiev and the Kiev I ever knew it's hard and hard work.
Even after all the hard work, the quality is not up to par.
Any monger with the sole purpose of mongering would be much better off going elsewhere.
Horny Monger
09-18-15, 17:54
I agree with you these girls of nowadays in Kiev are very spoiled and with no technical skill (who still performs the karoleski miniet or the anal fisting?) and with no professional rules.
They have basically no skills, not even decent oral skills.
I am not talking about pros because I've never been with pro in Kiev; I hope the pros in Kiev have at least decent oral skills.
The best they can do is to let you put them in various position and f*uck them till you're satisfied and don't complain about it or start rolling their eyes, etc.
They don't even voluntarily start oral! If you ask, they may do poor oral for very short time!
If you want oral, you'd be best off going to pros.
Pros I had elsewhere generally do pretty good oral and let you face-f*ck if you fancy that. And CIM, COF and swallow are fairly standard.
About your reports and Raffzahn's reports.
1 - I don't trust in women's stories because of an obvious reason: it is like to believe Eva's story of apple.
2 - Each work has its own risks: in fact how many mongers got a scam?!
3 - When 99% customers were Ukrainian and Russian more than 15 years ago, a prostitute of that time (she started at 13 years-old) said to me: if customers were not fully satisfied, then she was not paid, and in that time a prostitute did everything a customer wanted in an agreed time (and often, over). Therefore these girls of nowadays are very spoiled and with no technical skill (who still performs the karoleski miniet or the anal fisting?) and with no professional rules.
DruidFire, you seem to have been remarkably lucky with your experiences. I'm assuming you did loads of vetting to weed out the potential flakes and fakes?I guess lucky, because I only wrote to 5 or 6 girls. Most of them wrote back and said to call when in Kiev. There is no reason to write weeks in advance, as I learned. I would now write to say I'll be in Kiev next week, or maybe even in a few days. There was one I was chatting with, with intent to set up a meeting later that night. But when she said she would get back to me later, I went ahead and set up a meeting with someone else. She got mad and refused to chat anymore, or meet on another day. But, that might have been my fault.
Travel girls is more expensive but I had some luck with it, and will try Top Face for my trip in October. Mamba is not the only game in town by any means. As for meeting attractive regular, non-working girls, I think that is entirely possible if you are in town for a long time or come 5 or 6 times a year. But that means "girlfriend" with all what that implies. They will be possessive and jealous and they will expect to be treated nicely. I don't mean just gifts. I mean calling them all the time, telling them how beautiful they are, remembering their birthday, meeting her mom and dad, etc. If you are there for a week, then not realistic unless you are super good looking or have enormous game.
The fact that I am posting for the first time, after years of reading, doesn't necessarily make me suspect of unwanted commercial activity. Just a Dutchman doing his homework. Thanks for any info, wouldn't you agree this is an. Elaborate profile?
Does anyone know Milana http://www.mamba.ru/mb1489308401 ? I have contacted her, she sounds nice with limited but effective English; but with her 100+ very nice pics I wonder how real this can be. She says she doesn't travel but her pics are from all over the place.I contacted Milana on mamba today and she reassured me her photos are real. She initially shook me off thinking I was not in Kiev until I gave her my address and Ukrainian number.
She then insisted I give her my email address so she can send her price, not sure if you went through all this with her.
2500 HR.
4500 2 hrs.
700 Anal.
Good luck!
NightOwl69
09-19-15, 06:32
will try Top Face DO NOT. Top face is huge scam I did try it for a week, its very similar to tagged in the way you to keep paying money all the time. You pay to read messages you pay to get likes you pay to send messages. I closed my account after five days (even after I paid), its also time consuming. I guess girls might like it because they get tons of likes to their photos and feel good but its by no means a hunting ground.
Cheers.
MartinReunion
09-19-15, 10:54
I contacted Milana on mamba today and she reassured me her photos are real. She initially shook me off thinking I was not in Kiev until I gave her my address and Ukrainian number.
She then insisted I give her my email address so she can send her price, not sure if you went through all this with her.
2500 HR.
4500 2 hrs.
700 Anal.
Good luck!Yes, and she offers full night for a modest uptick. So seems reliable; next time over I will see her; meanwhile keep me posted if anyone met her.
Horny Monger
09-19-15, 11:19
Looks like it's too good to be true.
Probably one of those older high mileage WGs with photos taken years ago or fake pics carrying a bottle of lube and condoms.
I contacted Milana on mamba today and she reassured me her photos are real. She initially shook me off thinking I was not in Kiev until I gave her my address and Ukrainian number.
She then insisted I give her my email address so she can send her price, not sure if you went through all this with her.
2500 HR.
4500 2 hrs.
700 Anal.
Good luck!
I had a date last night with an 18 year old girl.I felt a little uncomfortable. Until she showed me her passport.
I asked her before the meeting if she was an working girl, and she told me no. So I thought that she was an normal girl.
In the morning I asked her if she could come to my place, she said yes if I could help her.
She wanted 3000,but only kissing and hugging.
I told her that I'm not stupid.
And I could give her 1200 ,but she had the give me the blowjob.
She agreed and came over.
Man I was in 7th heaven. It was great. She was very good at it. And I came in her mouth.
I tried to make her horny by touching her, so we could have sex, but she resisted.
If you think you can get freebies, girlfriends, or long term sponsorees in Ukraine, by all means go. For p4 p itself, the rest of Europe wins hands down, in all sectors of the market.
This is the opposite situation from 10 years ago.
Horny Monger
09-19-15, 15:28
Freebies? Girlfriends? (LOL) Dream on! Unless the monger is young 25 or something, good looking and meet bunch other criterias or the monger is looking for women in his own age group, ie. old B's. Otherwise. I fully agree. Good advice though.
Don't forget the very fact that the potential girls available see you as a walking atm and nothing more; so for them; It's "no money, no pussy," just as the other monger said in his post earlier for him: It's "no pussy. no pay.".
If you think you can get freebies, girlfriends, or long term sponsorees in Ukraine, by all means go. For p4 p itself, the rest of Europe wins hands down, in all sectors of the market.
This is the opposite situation from 10 years ago.
Horny Monger
09-20-15, 13:46
A 20 year old tall slim brunette came this afternoon and she's sick with a sore throat and a fever about 38.6. I guess she must want money pretty bad. I was going to sent her away as soon as she told me, but that would make her mad, as I might want to see her again and since she's here and didn't look sick, I figured WTF, I'll f*ck her. Then after 20 min. Into session, she kept on grabbing her stomach as I moved in and out of her slowly and gently. Then she started coughing and coughing. I got out of her and told her that she can go home now and she shouldn't have come today in the first place and I'd give her half of what was agreed. So she left with a smile and a kiss on my cheek as I didn't want to kiss her on the lips at all today. I hope I won't get sick from her!
Sorry to tell you this, but you overpaid.
Most girls are semi-pros, but few will admit it.
The fact that she asked you for money is, however, a giveaway!
For only a BJ, you should have paid no more than 300.
So, you got taken, and did not even realize it.
I had a date last night with an 18 year old girl.I felt a little uncomfortable. Until she showed me her passport.
I asked her before the meeting if she was an working girl, and she told me no. So I thought that she was an normal girl.
In the morning I asked her if she could come to my place, she said yes if I could help her.
She wanted 3000,but only kissing and hugging.
I told her that I'm not stupid.
And I could give her 1200 ,but she had the give me the blowjob.
She agreed and came over.
Man I was in 7th heaven. It was great. She was very good at it. And I came in her mouth.
I tried to make her horny by touching her, so we could have sex, but she resisted.
Mamba has an automatic location indicator, so they know where you are at all times.
As good as she might be, the prices are a little high. Obviously a foreigner trap.
I contacted Milana on mamba today and she reassured me her photos are real. She initially shook me off thinking I was not in Kiev until I gave her my address and Ukrainian number.
She then insisted I give her my email address so she can send her price, not sure if you went through all this with her.
2500 HR.
4500 2 hrs.
700 Anal.
Good luck!
I prefer not to start a war of words here, but why use Euros as your baseline. This is Ukraine. The currency is the UAH. The prices of non-imported goods (like women or taxi rides) do not go up just because the UAH devalues. Au contraire.
I Travel there often, last time about 3 moths ago. One mistake foreigners make is that they think of prices by calculating them back to dollars or Euros. I think it is better o to know the actual prices, in UAH of a few basic consumables (meals, sex, taxis, etc). Now, if you are planning to buy something (electronics for instance) that you plan to take back with you, and that you could also by at home, then, by all means calculate the price in USD or Euros before you buy.
Nevertheless, that is just my humble opinion.
That was fine like 3 years ago. Given, as a foreigner I may have to pay a premium, but the times of 30-50 Griwna runs are of the past. Not sure when you have been last time in Ukraine, but UAH has dropped quite low.
Until 2013 UAH / EUR was fairly stable around 1:10, a car ride within the city was anywhere between 20 and 50 UAH, depending on your haggling skills, so 2-5 Euro. Now it's more like 1:25 and prices have risen accordingly, so paying 100 UAH for a trip like Left Beach to Besarabsky is still about 4 EUR.
It's the same as with the girls. Even the 5's have way passed the 1200 Griwna scale by now.
Good point. I have noticed that too. I usually leave the money on a coffee table, visible, but if they try to pick it up, I insist that they leave it there until we finish. However, several times the girls do not pick it up even after we are done. They are about to leave, and the money is still there. I have to pick it up and give it to them, or put it in their pockets, and often they do not count it. Of course, I am sure they count it as soon as I am out of sight.
In fact, this is some of the finer details of Russian / FSU culture. If you want to give some money to a friend (as a gift for example, like jumping in for the expenses you caused), you usually don't give money direct to him. You just deposit it in their home. Clearly visible, but everyone will pretend not to see it.
The same works fine to identify non pros, when they get coyly when it comes to money. They want you to just put it somewhere in their coat or alike. They will also never ever ask or worse count the money while you're watching. I walked even pros back to the street without paying or showing money upfront, just to slip it in their hand / pocket at a good bye kiss. It's also a good hint that she'll respects you as a gentleman.
In unclear situations, you just place the money on a sideboard, visible for her. She won't take it until she gets dressed again. And even then she might wait until you turn. If a girl asks (beside the phase of setting the price) to get the money early, she's usually a hardened pro _and_ does not respect you as someone within her culture.
MartinReunion
09-20-15, 21:25
Mamba has an automatic location indicator, so they know where you are at all times.
As good as she might be, the prices are a little high. Obviously a foreigner trap.Mamba knows where you are; and when you buy VIP status you can override this. Girls use this extensively, and if you notice this you can be pretty sure it is a scam.
And in any case, having contact in English makes you stick out, and easy target for some surcharge.
As for Milana, for her sales pitch she makes sensible offer. For a small premium she does overnight too, knowing that many will not do this anyway.
I prefer not to start a war of words here, but why use Euros as your baseline. This is Ukraine. The currency is the UAH. The prices of non-imported goods (like women or taxi rides) do not go up just because the UAH devalues. Au contraire.
I Travel there often, last time about 3 moths ago. One mistake foreigners make is that they think of prices by calculating them back to dollars or Euros. I think it is better o to know the actual prices, in UAH of a few basic consumables (meals, sex, taxis, etc). Now, if you are planning to buy something (electronics for instance) that you plan to take back with you, and that you could also by at home, then, by all means calculate the price in USD or Euros before you buy.Stevie69,
I'm all with you here. And if you reread my post, you'll see that it's not about comparing price levels between Euroland and Ukraine, cause they are note realy comparable. But what's compareable is relative price movements. Especialy with things that are based on the same resources. Like petrol as the main cost factor for taxi.
Ukraine runs Thur. A heavy inflation, shown as raising prices and lowering exchange rates. The interesting part for mongers here is to use Euro (or USD) as benchmark to detect rip off prices (Not to compare between countries). If someone isn't ragular to Ukraine as you or me, he might read about 300 Griwna ladies and feel riped of when learning that he won't get near any doable female nowadays below 1000++.
Now when taking into account changging exchange tates (aka the droping UAH) he'll see that the equicalence of 50 USD still get you some cosy time. So prices in Ukraine regarding basic consumables (*G*) are rather stable. Same calculation works for taxi and similar goods.
Long story short, It doesn't help to memorize Ukraine prices from years ago, but using Euro / USD as an inflation adjusted benchmark works fine. OH, and yes, price seting should always be done in UAH.
H.
Horny Monger
09-21-15, 10:15
I agree that he overpaid!
BJ with CIM is 300. -100 if no CIM.
But this particular girl may not do it for this price and may have very well laughed it off as ridiculous.
You have to go to apartments to get this price.
He probably didn't have sex for a long long time; so it felt soo. . . . . . good! (LOL).
I had a date last night with an 18 year old girl.I felt a little uncomfortable. Until she showed me her passport.
I asked her before the meeting if she was an working girl, and she told me no. So I thought that she was an normal girl.
In the morning I asked her if she could come to my place, she said yes if I could help her.
She wanted 3000,but only kissing and hugging.
I told her that I'm not stupid.
And I could give her 1200 ,but she had the give me the blowjob.
She agreed and came over.
Man I was in 7th heaven. It was great. She was very good at it. And I came in her mouth.
I tried to make her horny by touching her, so we could have sex, but she resisted.
Sorry to tell you this, but you overpaid.
Most girls are semi-pros, but few will admit it.
The fact that she asked you for money is, however, a giveaway!
For only a BJ, you should have paid no more than 300.
So, you got taken, and did not even realize it.
Maybe you guys are right, maybe I overpaid her.
I met her today again and this time we had sex included too for 1200.
Great GFE experience for an hour. She even bleed, because she was too tight.
I still think that the price was reasonable for an 18 year old very beautiful girl.
And for the part that you are laughing about that you are thinking that I did not have sex a long time and that that was the reason why it felt so good, I'm married to a very beautiful woman. And I have sex whenever I want.
Don't worry about that.
I agree that he overpaid!
BJ with CIM is 300. -100 if no CIM.
But this particular girl may not do it for this price and may have very well laughed it off as ridiculous.
You have to go to apartments to get this price.
He probably didn't have sex for a long long time; so it felt soo. . . . . . good! (LOL).
The "it used to be so much better" is heard everywhere. From Pattaya / BKK to Angeles City / Manila to Macau to Medellin. I suspect in Kiev 15 years ago a girl may have thought such and such American / Western European dude is going to marry me and take me home with him. Now they know better. Still, I had a great time in Kiev and met two really cool girls on Mamba and one of them introduced me to two really cool friends of hers.
I would say Kiev is a great place to monger. For people who prefer a certain style of mongering. . . Walking around Kiev I saw a lot more pretty women than in most Western European cities.
. But everyone wants different things. I want what's in Kiev.Don't you love it when people talk about the good old days and how everything " used to be better " I can imagine Kiev being so much better 15 years ago, And of Course Kiev and other cities and towns in EE countries used to be so much cheaper before the Berlin wall came down, black market for $$ girls were naive. Few western mongers mainly Germans in Prague. You and I were Younger 15 years ago.
Started going to Kiev in Sept 2009 when the UAH was failing to around 8 to the US $ , Visas no longer required, Cheap flights from Europe, so I was happy to go there even if I wasn't lucky in mongering. Kiev sounded then a good attractive destination for me to try.
Ten years ago,2005 the UAH to the $ was as high as 4 or even higher, Visas a pain in the Ass, flights costs, etc. .
Kiev when I started going there had River Palace all under one roof, But if you read previous postes on here there was no shortage of posters who disliked the club. . And when it got towed away everyone was bemoaning The Great Loss.
The late Jimi Hendrix summed it up " I wish they had Electric Guitars in Cotton fields in The Good Old Days. A whole lot of things would've been straightened out ". .
Maybe you guys are right, maybe I overpaid her.
I met her today again and this time we had sex included too for 1200.
Great GFE experience for an hour. She even bleed, because she was too tight.
I still think that the price was reasonable for an 18 year old very beautiful girl.
And for the part that you are laughing about that you are thinking that I did not have sex a long time and that that was the reason why it felt so good, I'm married to a very beautiful woman. And I have sex whenever I want.
Don't worry about that.LOL Bleeding? Have you thought about her menstrual cycle, moon cycle? Some girls menstruate on the new moon, others on the full moon.
CastOnThis
09-21-15, 18:42
Some of you guys, read like you are not businessmen. Good things can be found in Kiev, you just have to negotiate. Understand what she wants. No! What she needs. She needs money.
Don't fall for the first offer. Read up that the average monthly income in Kiev is less than 200 $usd. There is no reason to pay her a whole month salary for a couple of hours of work.
Yes, there are other, more likely reasons why a girl bleeds. This is what really happened:
Two days before, she had her period, and that is the reason why she refused to have sex with you. This time, you caught the end of it. Call her again in 3 days.
And 1200 is still too much. Now that you are a repeat client, you have greater negotiation power. Let us know when you get her down to 800 or lower.
Maybe you guys are right, maybe I overpaid her.
I met her today again and this time we had sex included too for 1200.
Great GFE experience for an hour. She even bleed, because she was too tight.
I still think that the price was reasonable for an 18 year old very beautiful girl.
And for the part that you are laughing about that you are thinking that I did not have sex a long time and that that was the reason why it felt so good, I'm married to a very beautiful woman. And I have sex whenever I want.
Don't worry about that.
Let us add a little perspective here. High class agency escorts (I am thinking GIA) start at about 2500 UAH. Yes, you can find some that charge 250 USD, but you will not get anything much better, and furthermore, why would you pay so much? Just stay home!
GIA prices have not changed that much in over 10 years. Actually, the prices had gone up for several years. For a while, the starting price was 3500 UAH, but once the UAH started falling, so did their prices. You do not have to trust me. You can check their old prices on their web site on the using the "way back machine".
So much for the inflation discussion. When prices for food and gasoline go up, life gets harder, more women go into the sex trade but men have less money, so sex gets cheaper!
But I risk going off on a tangent.
About half of the 2500 UAH goes to the house! I used GIA several times, particularly during one early trips when I was still a relative novice. The agency forbids clients to even ask for the girls' numbers, and the girls are fired if they give them out. However, if the the girls "liked me " and we had a good time (nearly in all cases), they left their phones at the night table for me, UNLOCKED, while they went to shower. I did not realize it the first time, but the second time it happened, I caught on. I took the phone, called myself, and got their numbers. I called and was able to arrange meetings at a significant discount. I suppose it give the girls "plausible deniability". Eventually, one girl told me that, indeed, the agency takes 50%.
The girls get the good marketing and added safety from working for the site, but if they think you are safe, they will gladly cut them out of the deal. Finally, once they develop their own client list of semi-regulars, they will go independent. Personal referrals become the best source of new clients. I met a girl 2 years later, when she was no longer listed on their site.
Anyway, if high class escorts make 1500 UAH, semi-pros, whether they are single mums, secretaries, students, or waitresses, ought to be quite happy with 500 to 1000 uah.
Okay, so they will not agree to 500, only because you are a foreigner, but most reasonable girls will eventually agree to 800 to 1000.
The only ones that will not are the ones that are waiting for that idiot foreigner who will pay 300 Euros (more than 1 month's salary!) for one hour of work.
If you are a morbidly obese, horribly ugly freak of nature and have absolutely not game or charm, by all means, pay 2000,3000 or even 5000. For that much, back home you get the lowest crack addict; in Kiev, you will be able to get a sweet 20 year old student, or any other girls. They will close their eyes and earn their money for a month in under one hour.
So, keeping the prices low also ensures that the girl at least likes you a little and just need a little monetary incentive. We all (maybe not all, but enough of us) had experiences where we paid for one hour and the girl stayed 2, or overnight. Once a girl gave me a fourth one for free (4 for the price of 3). She refused to take money, but I will put 500 UAH in her purse. After 3 times, another one told me that she could do it for free, but only if I did not see other girls while I was there. I figured that after 3 times, even at 800-1000 per shot, they had plenty of the rest of the month, so were thinking more long term and perhaps trying to get to know me. Yes, in both cases the sex was amazing, which is a good foundation for any relationship.
Some of you guys, read like you are not businessmen. Good things can be found in Kiev, you just have to negotiate. Understand what she wants. No! What she needs. She needs money.
Don't fall for the first offer. Read up that the average monthly income in Kiev is less than 200 $usd. There is no reason to pay her a whole month salary for a couple of hours of work.
Don't you love it when people talk about the good old days and how everything " used to be better " I can imagine Kiev being so much better 15 years ago, And of Course Kiev and other cities and towns in EE countries used to be so much cheaper before the Berlin wall came down, black market for $$ girls were naive. Few western mongers mainly Germans in Prague. You and I were Younger 15 years ago.
Started going to Kiev in Sept 2009 when the UAH was failing to around 8 to the US $ , Visas no longer required, Cheap flights from Europe, so I was happy to go there even if I wasn't lucky in mongering. Kiev sounded then a good attractive destination for me to try.
Ten years ago,2005 the UAH to the $ was as high as 4 or even higher, Visas a pain in the Ass, flights costs, etc. .
Kiev when I started going there had River Palace all under one roof, But if you read previous postes on here there was no shortage of posters who disliked the club. . And when it got towed away everyone was bemoaning The Great Loss.
The late Jimi Hendrix summed it up " I wish they had Electric Guitars in Cotton fields in The Good Old Days. A whole lot of things would've been straightened out "..I have been coming in and out of Kiev since 1999. And yes the Hendrix quote is spot on, but I still miss the RP and so do many others I know. Prices did go up to 300 USD for LT during 2010 - 1014, but now 200 USD can be done by some negotiation many places. Many bars have girls Pro or Semi-Pros sitting looking for men, and especially if you guests bars around midnight you will feel who they are. All the bars have already been mentioned in this Forum. Mamba is still also a good place if you only want to pay 100 USD, but there is a (big) risk that she will not look exactly like the picture.
Was going down memory lane tonight checking rates and came up with my post here on 19, Nov 2009.
Today its US $ =22 UAH and =65 . And with Wizzair still flying from London, my 2 rooms arrangement (no 5 stars) in Kiev for my next trip is still very affordable.
Who wants to do thrift at such rates.Apologies. I must've been seeing doubles at the time.
On 31 August, 2015 it was US $ =22 UAH and £ =33 UAH Not. ¬ 65 UAH.
http://www.exchangerates.org.uk/GBP-UAH-31_08_2015-exchange-rate-history.html
Below is a table showing the average rate for British Pound (GBP) to Ukraine Hryvnia (UAH) on 31 August 2015 (31/08/2015).
British Pound Ukraine Hryvnia Date.
1 GBP = 33.6985 UAH.
LOL I am surprised none of the Poker Players with their Sharp Probing Eyes caught me posting such an inflated rate.
I do take my main hobby very seriously and like to read evidenced posts with facts, figures and Benchmarks to compare prices between Kiev & other western cities and not just for sex as one needs to factor other costs.
A Benchmark is not the western price you pay in Kiev for P4P, food & drink, etc, but for comparison purposes only. Had to say that just in case newbies, or others think that's the price to pay in Kiev. Had that kind of discussion, banter before on this thread and others. .
Read Limarian's report abut how much he paid for his dinner in Kiev and How much it would've cost in the UK in ££.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1773836
" An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably 80-here 35".
But we all know prices for girls are not in stone.
Sorry! I thought I had answered everyone. Just sent it. Has anyone used topface to meet girls? One of the Kiev girls I know recommends it.For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.
Poker Player 2
09-22-15, 19:11
I certainly do not disagree with your assessment of Mamba but I found TopFace so annoying and useless that I deleted my profile. I hope your experience is different.
For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.
NightOwl69
09-22-15, 20:18
For me Mamba is getting worse and no real girls (most agencies) or fake or simple no answers. What about Topface? Please let me know your positive and negative experiences. Thanks in advance.Topface is has one reason for its purpose is to take your money, I singed up for few days and then deleted my account. Here is how it works.
Its very smilier to tinder in the main concept, you click like or skip on photos, mind you not profile put photos of the same girl. And girls do the same. You could send messages if you are paying member. You have no idea if the photos are real or not. You can't read messages unless you pay and even then you still have to pay more for some messages or likes. I had my account for five days and I got zero out of it ended up deleting it with some coins still there. Oh coins is what you get when you pay them something like 300 coins for 30 $ or so. You use this coins to give gifts to girls, (which are generally ignored), or to open certain messages or likes. I think Girls in FSU like topface because of the like system they think all of those people really like them. If you have money to waste join topface otherwise stay clear.
Cheers.
This is my very first post and it is a question that may turn into a report if all goes well in the immediate future.
There is a strong possibility that I will be staying in Kiev over the first few months of 2016. I would like to contact and sponsor some local talent while there. I am fluent in Russian and understand (more or less) the local culture. I left as a teen.
I would not want to spend more than 600-1000 usd monthly in sponsorship expenditures.
Does anyone have a recommendation of where or how I might find girls similar to those one might find through Seeking Arrangements in Us while steering clear of pros and agencies?
I will also be staying in Petrograd (but for a shorter period). So the same question applies to this area.
Hoping to benefit from the collective wisdom of this forum.
Horny Monger
09-23-15, 09:59
So, keeping the prices low also ensures that the girl at least likes you a little and just need a little monetary incentive. We all (maybe not all, but enough of us) had experiences where we paid for one hour and the girl stayed 2, or overnight. Once a girl gave me a fourth one for free (4 for the price of 3). She refused to take money, but I will put 500 UAH in her purse. After 3 times, another one told me that she could do it for free, but only if I did not see other girls while I was there. I figured that after 3 times, even at 800-1000 per shot, they had plenty of the rest of the month.Were the two girls above you started out paying 800 or 1000 or lower? Which years did you meet them? Thanks.
I have been in and out of Kiev since 2001. And seen many changes last time I was here everything was so costly. I have been reading up on the place and see all the changes. I remember rest town and river palace. Was nice place to go in a pinch. I used to go to the cowboy club always had luck there. They're all gone now. I got in last night and meet with friends. Now I have only a few days to find the new places.
If anyone wants to meet up first round is on me. Just inbox me.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1773836
" An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably 80-here 35".
.Some excellent places in Kiev for fans of Waffles. Very tasty and reasonable prices.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g294474-zfg9910-Kiev.html
Best Kiev Waffles & Crepes.
Also this branch http://www.gofre.eu/en/..
" The other real treat are waffles--waffles from shops or street vendors, made on the spot with your choice of filling. We had a few of these, one of which was crunchy and lemon-flavored (and chocolate-coated), and some of the Belgian variety with sticks of chocolate buried inside, then they re-toasted the waffle to melt the insides. Worth every calorie, I promise."
Some excellent places in Kiev for fans of Waffles. Very tasty and reasonable prices.
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurants-g294474-zfg9910-Kiev.html
Best Kiev Waffles & Crepes.
Also this branch http://www.gofre.eu/en/..
" The other real treat are waffles--waffles from shops or street vendors, made on the spot with your choice of filling. We had a few of these, one of which was crunchy and lemon-flavored (and chocolate-coated), and some of the Belgian variety with sticks of chocolate buried inside, then they re-toasted the waffle to melt the insides. Worth every calorie, I promise."The best place for cake is the new and stylish "Honey" in Podi. Sometimes it's really hard to get a free place.
http://kievfood.com.ua/honey/
Let us add a little perspective here. High class agency escorts (I am thinking GIA) start at about 2500 UAH. Yes, you can find some that charge 250 USD, but you will not get anything much better, and furthermore, why would you pay so much? Just stay home!
GIA prices have not changed that much in over 10 years. Actually, the prices had gone up for several years. For a while, the starting price was 3500 UAH, but once the UAH started falling, so did their prices. You do not have to trust me. You can check their old prices on their web site on the using the "way back machine"..Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?
http://gia-escort.com/escorts
Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.
And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.
The best place for cake is the new and stylish "Honey" in Podi. Sometimes it's really hard to get a free place.
http://kievfood.com.ua/honey/LOL. I am not into cakes, Only Waffles and I am full of them.
" Alternate spellings to Waffles throughout contemporary and medieval Europe include waffe, wafre, wafer, wâfel, waufre, iauffe, gaufre, goffre, gauffre, wafe, waffel, wåfe, wāfel, wafe, vaffel, and våffla".
No one called them Cakes.
Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?
http://gia-escort.com/escorts
Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.
And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.Yeah, I think 69 may be referring to the Russian version of Gia. USD 150 turns into UAH2500 if you click on Ru on the upper left of the site.
Yeah, I think 69 may be referring to the Russian version of Gia. USD 150 turns into UAH2500 if you click on Ru on the upper left of the site.Sorbonne the prices are between 300 and maximum 600 grivna (between 12 and 25 euro, not more! On ukrgo.com my local friends always pay around 400 for a beauty, if you don t know the language you pay tourist price, let somebody call for you, don t mention you are a foreigner. Kiev is certainly a buyer s market, some pictures on ukrgo are fake but you can guess, some even more beautiful in real. Other websites intimgirls.net and minuet. Biz, mamba is also OK, if you know a local friend, I don t understand why people pay around 2000 and 6000 grivna, crazy 2 month salary!! Many times I paid mostly 300, message me for numbers girls. At the moment I am in Kiev.
Yes, there are other, more likely reasons why a girl bleeds. This is what really happened:
Two days before, she had her period, and that is the reason why she refused to have sex with you. This time, you caught the end of it. Call her again in 3 days.
And 1200 is still too much. Now that you are a repeat client, you have greater negotiation power. Let us know when you get her down to 800 or lower.Thanks, I had her today for 800 for an hour.
I started with 400.
This forum saves you money: the.
Member #4491
09-24-15, 20:55
I would like to contact and sponsor some local talent while there. I am fluent in Russian and understand (more or less) the local culture. I left as a teen.Search on Mamba. Check the "Looking for sponsor" check-box. Think you must be VIP to see that, but does not cost so much.
Given that you are fluent in Russian it will be a cake walk for you to find someone.
Member #4491
09-24-15, 22:16
Anyone met this girl?
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1443176353?hit=3
We talked a bit before my last trip, but I had to skip her. Too much to juggle. She maybe got hurt because she blocked me on Mamba when she realized I had left without seeing her.
Up fpr P4P anyway.
Have a couple of reliable ones if anyone is up for some real sharing. 18-22 is preferred window. 50-100 USD per meet. Anyone that has been here for a while knows I will share, but I am fed up with lechers, so I kindly ask you to not ask me for info without including something useful yourself (just a phone number is not useful IMHO).
Cheers,
Barba
Yes, in GIA, the Russian version displays rates in UAH. That is what I used. Why would you use the UAD prices? And yes, I was referring tot he starting prices or "discounts". The quality between them and the most expensive ones is essentially the same. The scale only goes up to 10, does it not?
I recently read the the mean salary in Kiev was 6000-7000 UAH. That is the mean, and includes a few reach people that raise the value considerably. The median is in the 4000 range. In any case, paying 500-1000 UAH is more than enough.
Finally, saving money is okay, but 50 USD or 100 USD probably does not make much of a difference to OUR lives. Most of us could probably pay 200 or 300 USD without much difficulty, but in that case, why not stay at home?
There are more important reasons to keep the prices at a reasonable level. First, I do not like to feel as if people take advantage of me I understand that I usually will have to pay a 20,30, 50 or even 100% foreigner surcharge, but enough is enough! If a girl thinks you are an idiot, she is not going to give you her best sex! Second, I prefer it when the girls at least like me a little, but need a little financial help. I am sure that if I wave around 300 Euros, they would all line up at my table, or under it. As far as I care, the 300 Euros girls can sit there, waiting for that one stupid, ugly, fat, smelly, foreigner all night. After all, they only need to find one such sucker per month. Finally, girls, cheap or expensive, do not come with a "100 % satisfaction or your money back" guarantee. I would feel terrible if I paid 300 EUROS (7000 UAH) and got bad sex. For that much, I could have tired out 7 to 10 girls, and then selected the best ones for more action.
Sorbonne the prices are between 300 and maximum 600 grivna (between 12 and 25 euro, not more! On ukrgo.com my local friends always pay around 400 for a beauty, if you don t know the language you pay tourist price, let somebody call for you, don t mention you are a foreigner. Kiev is certainly a buyer s market, some pictures on ukrgo are fake but you can guess, some even more beautiful in real. Other websites intimgirls.net and minuet. Biz, mamba is also OK, if you know a local friend, I don t understand why people pay around 2000 and 6000 grivna, crazy 2 month salary!! Many times I paid mostly 300, message me for numbers girls. At the moment I am in Kiev.
Why are you telling me this?
Maybe you want to read Stevie69's and Jojosun's posts more carefully?
Sorbonne the prices are between 300 and maximum 600 grivna (between 12 and 25 euro, not more! On ukrgo.com my local friends always pay around 400 for a beauty, if you don t know the language you pay tourist price, let somebody call for you, don t mention you are a foreigner. Kiev is certainly a buyer s market, some pictures on ukrgo are fake but you can guess, some even more beautiful in real. Other websites intimgirls.net and minuet. Biz, mamba is also OK, if you know a local friend, I don t understand why people pay around 2000 and 6000 grivna, crazy 2 month salary!! Many times I paid mostly 300, message me for numbers girls. At the moment I am in Kiev.Bullshit. A beauty for 400 grivnias! You have to visit 20 apartments where girls costs 3-4-500 UAH to get that. I was twice in low price apartments, the best girl was a 7, the others around 5 and less. A 5 or a 6 is perhaps a beauty for your friend. Try to chat on mamba and to give her 3-400 Grivnias, you might get a girl after one month of chatting.
Anyway there are plenty of apartments where you can have an average looking girl and sometimes a beauty 8-10, but you must expect to pay a bit more than 3-400 Grivnias. Not so much more, it will be around 700-1200 UAH, it depends on the apartments. Don't expect a BBBJ, what most of men enjoy, you have to pay an extra 500-1000, it depends on the girls.
Search on Mamba. Check the "Looking for sponsor" check-box. Think you must be VIP to see that, but does not cost so much.
Given that you are fluent in Russian it will be a cake walk for you to find someone.Thanks a lot. And, yes, I think you have to be VIP to use this and other more advanced search options. My question though is if there is a basic strategy / heuristic I could use to differentiate a semi-pro / non-pro, which is what I am aiming for, from a hardened pro posing as one of the above.
To make some extra money on her day off. I realize there is no 100 percent to be sure, but, perhaps, someone who faced a similar problem before can advise.
Finally, is there some crucial difference between Mamba and Travelgirls? Ukraine is well represented in both.
Thanks in advance.
Horny Monger
09-25-15, 11:57
So, keeping the prices low also ensures that the girl at least likes you a little and just need a little monetary incentive. We all (maybe not all, but enough of us) had experiences where we paid for one hour and the girl stayed 2, or overnight. Once a girl gave me a fourth one for free (4 for the price of 3). She refused to take money, but I will put 500 UAH in her purse. After 3 times, another one told me that she could do it for free, but only if I did not see other girls while I was there. I figured that after 3 times, even at 800-1000 per shot, they had plenty of the rest of the month.Steve69,
Can you answer the following question to give more perpespective and clarification in your post: Were the two girls above you started out paying 800 or 1000 or lower? Which years did you meet them?
Member #4491
09-25-15, 18:12
My question though is if there is a basic strategy / heuristic I could use to differentiate a semi-pro / non-pro, which is what I am aiming for, from a hardened pro posing as one of the above.Yes. The number of messages and the nature of the messages she will be willing to exchange with you, before and while you are in Ukr. In addition to converting with your potential sponsorettes, you naturally should do reverse image search on the images (TinEye and Google img search), as well as Googling any other data she might share with you. Google phone number with and without country code, and try to get her profile info for FB, VK or Odnoklassniki once you have exchanged a few dozens of messages.
I do not use TravelGirls. Tried it some time ago but think they charged to read messages, and I do not like that setup. Especially not since I was bombarded by messages from way too good looking females, already minutes after registration.
Barba
Horny Monger
09-25-15, 20:02
I'll second that! I agree with Volpone that it's all BULLSHIT. It's just another one of those posts trying to sucker new unsuspecting naive mongers to Kiev.
For that kind of low price, you probably have to go to the left bank, into shitty apartments and risking being beat up and robbed as a foreigner.
Sorbonne the prices are between 300 and maximum 600 grivna (between 12 and 25 euro, not more! On ukrgo.com my local friends always pay around 400 for a beauty, if you don t know the language you pay tourist price, let somebody call for you, don t mention you are a foreigner. Kiev is certainly a buyer s market, some pictures on ukrgo are fake but you can guess, some even more beautiful in real. Other websites intimgirls.net and minuet. Biz, mamba is also OK, if you know a local friend, I don t understand why people pay around 2000 and 6000 grivna, crazy 2 month salary!! Many times I paid mostly 300, message me for numbers girls. At the moment I am in Kiev.
Bullshit. A beauty for 400 grivnias! You have to visit 20 apartments where girls costs 3-4-500 UAH to get that. I was twice in low price apartments, the best girl was a 7, the others around 5 and less. A 5 or a 6 is perhaps a beauty for your friend. Try to chat on mamba and to give her 3-400 Grivnias, you might get a girl after one month of chatting.
Anyway there are plenty of apartments where you can have an average looking girl and sometimes a beauty 8-10, but you must expect to pay a bit more than 3-400 Grivnias. Not so much more, it will be around 700-1200 UAH, it depends on the apartments. Don't expect a BBBJ, what most of men enjoy, you have to pay an extra 500-1000, it depends on the girls.
NightOwl69
09-26-15, 08:09
I do not use TravelGirls. Tried it some time ago but think they charged to read messages, and I do not like that setup. Especially not since I was bombarded by messages from way too good looking females, already minutes after registration.
BarbaOn TG most of the messages you get bombarded with are mass messages from girls, I get some of them saying they are interested to meet to discover later the same message was sent to many other members, mostly new ones. After a week of using those messages stopped. The only advantage of TG over mamba is their verification. When you have a verified account it means the girl in the photo had to hold a paper with "travelgirls.com" on it. Sure it doesn't mean at all she is going to be the one you meet an agency might verify one girl and use the account for many girls. Also TG sometimes delete girls accounts if they think they are escort or some one complained about them being escort. I have found few girls have accounts in both TG and mamba. That is all been said I think the whole internet seen in Kiev is a toss up you never know what you are getting. It might be the girl in the photo but you get a dead fish, it might be another girl that is prettier or uglier, might be the same girl with extra from years back. My personal indication about the pro and non pro (as it was said by Barba) is her message, if the first or second message from a girl asked you if you want to meet and if you are in Kiev and give you phone no most probably its an pro or agency for example this is the first message I got from a girl after saying Hi. "Hi! I meet. $ ! Sex, 5 o Euro - 2 hours" another one after maybe 20 messages told me she is looking for some one to support her after another 20 I get her phone number, she turned out to be non-pro. In short there is no silver bullets for internet sites in Kiev, even when a girl is recommended by another member you might have with her a very different experience, I guess we just have to try them all.
Cheers.
Cayenne2010
09-26-15, 08:46
I was there last night. All prices in this report in Grivna. Exchange rate for USA dollar was 22. Entrance fee for club was 200 for guys 100 for girls. A table in second floor was booked for 1000 minimum spending. Drink prices from 80 to 300. With 1600 you can get a bottle of whiskey. Food average was 200. After midnight got crowded lots of normal girls and lady dancing I liked the club. Was on a date so didn't approach working girls.
I think those prices are real, but for locals, not foreigners.
And the other comment might be correct, in theory. One way to fix the economy is to bring foreigners into the country to spend their hard currency. However, unless you have a travel agency, there is not guarantee that any of that money will come specifically to you. Is it reasonable to think that someone is so altruistic as to attract people to the country for that reason?
Bullshit. A beauty for 400 grivnias! You have to visit 20 apartments where girls costs 3-4-500 UAH to get that. I was twice in low price apartments, the best girl was a 7, the others around 5 and less. A 5 or a 6 is perhaps a beauty for your friend. Try to chat on mamba and to give her 3-400 Grivnias, you might get a girl after one month of chatting.
Anyway there are plenty of apartments where you can have an average looking girl and sometimes a beauty 8-10, but you must expect to pay a bit more than 3-400 Grivnias. Not so much more, it will be around 700-1200 UAH, it depends on the apartments. Don't expect a BBBJ, what most of men enjoy, you have to pay an extra 500-1000, it depends on the girls.
Yes. The number of messages and the nature of the messages she will be willing to exchange with you, before and while you are in Ukr. In addition to converting with your potential sponsorettes, you naturally should do reverse image search on the images (TinEye and Google img search), as well as Googling any other data she might share with you. Google phone number with and without country code, and try to get her profile info for FB, VK or Odnoklassniki once you have exchanged a few dozens of messages.
I do not use TravelGirls. Tried it some time ago but think they charged to read messages, and I do not like that setup. Especially not since I was bombarded by messages from way too good looking females, already minutes after registration.
BarbaBarba, Nightowl,
Thank you for the tips. These seem to be useful strategies for separating pros from non-pros across the board. I'll see where they take me!
Are the 2 sites the same?
Haven't used either site for a while.
Are the 2 sites the same?
Haven't used either site for a while.There are a dozen of sites with different names, but there are all mamba.
You can try this one too: www.love.com.ua.
I think those prices are real, but for locals, not foreigners.
And the other comment might be correct, in theory. One way to fix the economy is to bring foreigners into the country to spend their hard currency. However, unless you have a travel agency, there is not guarantee that any of that money will come specifically to you. Is it reasonable to think that someone is so altruistic as to attract people to the country for that reason?Stevie69, I think you are right in the way, it is still possible to find sometimes a 7 or a 8 in a cheap apartment. However do you think that the group that manages all these apartments are going to be generous and thinking of giving the beauties for a very low price to the poor Ukrainian men? Moreover you can see how much money they are going to lose if you can get a 8, 9 or 10 for 300 Uah an hour. Is the mafia in Ukraine a social institution that thinks that every Ukrainian man has the right to get sex with a beauty? They keep the beauties for VIP apartments and if you go there, either Ukrainian or tourists, you will pay the same price.
Furthermore in the apartments we usually go for a price of 700-1200 an hour, there are also Ukrainian men and they pay that price too. Why they don't go to the cheapest apartments? That's because they don't want to waste a full day?
Now I do think that some private girls that works independently and they have nothing to do with the groupe that manages all these apartement will agree for a low price and some of them could be very pretty. It's a bit like on mamba. Some girls are really pretty and you can get them for a low price.
Horny Monger
09-27-15, 18:19
I doubt there are any 10's in VIP apartments.
Maybe the darkness in those apartments makes 9's or 10's. (LOL).
Moreover you can see how much money they are going to lose if you can get a 8, 9 or 10 for 300 Uah an hour. Is the mafia in Ukraine a social institution that thinks that every Ukrainian man has the right to get sex with a beauty? They keep the beauties for VIP apartments and if you go there, either Ukrainian or tourists, you will pay the same price.
Furthermore in the apartments we usually go for a price of 700-1200 an hour, there are also Ukrainian men and they pay that price too. Why they don't go to the cheapest apartments? That's because they don't want to waste a full day?
Horny Monger
09-27-15, 18:23
Good luck! 300 Uah an hour for a 8, 9 or 10? (LOL).
I doubt it if you can even get a 8 in cheap apartments; maybe you look though all these cheap apartments all year long and maybe you find one.
For poor Ukrainian men, there's a social discount card, which entitles each of them certain number of apartment visits per month and which they can get when they apply for welfare. (LOL)
it is still possible to find sometimes a 7 or a 8 in a cheap apartment. However do you think that the group that manages all these apartments are going to be generous and thinking of giving the beauties for a very low price to the poor Ukrainian men? Moreover you can see how much money they are going to lose if you can get a 8, 9 or 10 for 300 Uah an hour. Is the mafia in Ukraine a social institution that thinks that every Ukrainian man has the right to get sex with a beauty? They keep the beauties for VIP apartments and if you go there, either Ukrainian or tourists, you will pay the same price.
InsomniacTales
09-27-15, 18:24
Does anybody have recent experience of an erotic massage or private dance at Dolls? I had a very disappointing massage with pants on for 1000 gr paid up front and even though I had made it clear I didn't want a happy ending as I wanted to do more later elsewhere, I still wanted a full erotic body to body massage. The girl just lay next to me albeit naked and gently scratched my back! In St Petersburg for that money I got body to body oil massage and full 'in time' touching just short of sex. I went for it at Dolls only because I had heard that some others in the summer had got much more in there in the private dances and clubs back rooms, even when not paying for a happy ending. Up to date info and tips appreciated. Perhaps Rio and Mandarin are better?
There are a dozen of sites with different names, but there are all mamba...So Mamba and Flirt are the same, but I've seen girls before (2009) who were on Flirt but not on Mamba. Hence my question.
Good luck! 300 Uah an hour for a 8, 9 or 10? (LOL).
I doubt it if you can even get a 8 in cheap apartments; maybe you look though all these cheap apartments all year long and maybe you find one.
For poor Ukrainian men, there's a social discount card, which entitles each of them certain number of apartment visits per month and which they can get when they apply for welfare. (LOL)There is indeed a new policy: try it and buy it if you like it. .
With current inflation, 300 uah buys you nothing. It would mean that a girl works almost for free.
Electricity is getting more and more expensive to give a simple example. What is the point to give such a talk?
NightOwl69
09-28-15, 07:40
So Mamba and Flirt are the same, but I've seen girls before (2009) who were on Flirt but not on Mamba. Hence my question.Mamba, flirt, love. Mail. Ru, wamba, and polovinka.com.ua plus few others use the same database and you can login using the same account to any of them. I am not sure why some would will show on one not the other though.
Cheers.
I have a question that relates to an earlier one that has already been helpfully answered by Barba and Nightowl69.
The earlier question was where to look for semi-pro or non-pro to sponsor during my 3-4 month stay in Kiev and the possible strategies for weeding out the pros masquerading as non-pros.
My current question is about the price range I should be willing to offer for such an arrangement. I want it to be fair but reasonable.
I am thinking of two possible arrangements: one where the sponsorette actually stays with me and we have sex daily, the other where we agree on an x number of visits and / or outings while she keeps her own place.
I think I could live with an arrangement where we have 2 weekly meetings (a total of 4 hrs per week) without our sharing each other's space (the type of women I would be interested in are those that have regular jobs, etc. And so could find any change of residence problematic).
So, my question to those familiar with the scene: what would be a reasonable monthly allowance for a situation like this?
I could probably afford 1000 usd per month, but this seems a bit excessive given that the average salary is about 300 usd per month (and the girl's commitment would be about 16 hours or 2 full days per month).
Other than the obvious reason of frugality, I do not want to overdo it BC, first, this may set an unhealthy precedent for others and myself, and, second, she will think I am moron and won't respect me.
Please advise!
Mamba, flirt, love. Mail. Ru, wamba, and polovinka.com.ua plus few others use the same database and you can login using the same account to any of them. I am not sure why some would will show on one not the other though.
Cheers.Thanks for the info. As I said earlier this was the case back in 2009.
Horny Monger
09-28-15, 14:00
I read the last reports and according to the wording of the text, I think this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev.I agree.
Let's just remind inexperienced naive would be mongers in Kiev that there are no 9's or 10's under the broad daylght.
Only in the darkness you think you found 9's or 10's. (LOL).
If there's a 9, you'll be paying through your nose. Like some senior member wrote before that Ukrainian women know what they are worth.
You might as well stay home because it'll be cheaper and you'll save on airfare and accommodation.
Mongering in Kiev is generally hard, hard work if you are trying to find semi-pros / amatuers at reasonable price, I. E. Not tourist price.
Most of them are 5's to 7's.
And there are no 9's or 10's there IMHO. I consider myself very, very lucky if I ever find a 8. Even after you weed out the chubby and old ones, there's always something don't look right. Face, tits little smaller or too small, legs not straight, too thin, body not proportional, shape of ass not quite right, too short (less than 166 to 170 cm).
Most of these semi-pros / amatuers do lousy, lousy blow-jobs and very briefly because they don't like to suck on cocks.
For good blow-jobs, you'll be much better off going to pros and you'll save tons of time, which means money because it costs money for accommodation each day.
And no anal unless she is a pro.
A final note: as a couple of senior members have pointed out that Ukrainian women even at young age, are already high mileaged.
PeeTeePeet
09-28-15, 18:21
You are right. Quality for the same buck has gone down a lot since 2011. Specially last couple of years it is becoming more and more difficult to locate an overall attractive package (looks wise), and almost impossible to get perfect looks and perfect service unless you are willing to spend about 7 x or 8 x the going rate for the rank and file (5's and 6's).
The economy being down is not helping either with prices at the very high end. There is enough of limited market for limited supply in that category.
It is lot of work, good grooming and looks, to score anything semi-pro or amateur.
Wish it was 2010 and 2011 again!
Peter.
I agree.
Let's just remind inexperienced naive would be mongers in Kiev that there are no 9's or 10's under the broad daylght.
Only in the darkness you think you found 9's or 10's. (LOL).
If there's a 9, you'll be paying through your nose. Like some senior member wrote before that Ukrainian women know what they are worth.
You might as well stay home because it'll be cheaper and you'll save on airfare and accommodation.
Mongering in Kiev is generally hard, hard work if you are trying to find semi-pros / amateurs at reasonable price, I. E. Not tourist price.
Most of them are 5's to 7's.
And there are no 9's or 10's there IMHO. I consider myself very, very lucky if I ever find a 8. Even after you weed out the chubby and old ones, there's always something don't look right. Face, tits little smaller or too small, legs not straight, too thin, body not proportional, shape of ass not quite right, too short (less than 166 to 170 cm)..
LuisVega11
09-28-15, 20:54
I will say after 3 weeks is completely dead thanks ti all those Amy of sex tourist overpaying, the economic crisis who has destroyed all the middle class it was till one years ago.
And the fly of thousand of girl from city, especially those more open minded to west culture and speaking good English.
Once it was easy to find great girl open, funny, goo attitude.
Those who consider foreigners are only the prostitute, and if not they all need a lot of attention and money. Most are people without any helps from anybody, salary down m inflation, everything contributes to a situation where even the best person will soon ask for help.
I don't blame them and I feel ashamed I couldn't help some girl I had a relation in the past but it's clear that they will need forever money, and when you stop helping they stop fucking.
They are also not to be blamed cause really the quality and level of people coming in this country has fallen down. Tons of poor Arab, poor countrymen from any country.
Dressed in the most bizarre manner I have ever seen, those cute girl who walk with those old European that make the Ukrainians looks like Richard here. Really terrible.
Time to look for another country, maybe more expensive but where you can really act a free mongering, I mean not paying in advance for sex, with good quality.
Personally I don't understand why people come here to pay. Most of the girl that work as prostitute are not even near the 5, I mean those who ask the price you read here. For good very good quality you spent more than some western country.
Anyway game over as far as me. Maybe in two years with a change of situation and a gryvna back to 10 it will get back a normal place, now is really something terrible.
LuisVega11
09-28-15, 21:00
I agree.
Let's just remind inexperienced naive would be mongers in Kiev that there are no 9's or 10's under the broad daylght.
Only in the darkness you think you found 9's or 10's. (LOL).
If there's a 9, you'll be paying through your nose. Like some senior member wrote before that Ukrainian women know what they are worth.
You might as well stay home because it'll be cheaper and you'll save on airfare and accommodation.
Mongering in Kiev is generally hard, hard work if you are trying to find semi-pros / amatuers at reasonable price, I. E. Not tourist price.
Most of them are 5's to 7's.
And there are no 9's or 10's there IMHO. I consider myself very, very lucky if I ever find a 8. Even after you weed out the chubby and old ones, there's always something don't look right. Face, tits little smaller or too small, legs not straight, too thin, body not proportional, shape of ass not quite right, too short (less than 166 to 170 cm).
Most of these semi-pros / amatuers do lousy, lousy blow-jobs and very briefly because they don't like to suck on cocks..7?
Are you serious?
Have you ever been to top place in Kiev? Like Cerebro or some city beach outside the city?
I visit 5 apartments there was only a girl worth 7, the rest chubby and with sad face.
Anal is pretty common in Kiev. Or I had many anal in the past with girl, but they were long time relation.
The problem in Kiev is that girl if like you really, not for money, are probably the best working girl in the world, rarely saying no, if you pay the service.
Are limited and mostly technical, with good looking girl.
I only had very few paid experience in the years, I remember sometime taking girl from vodka bar or other venue at end of night and they where super fuck.
But there was alcohol a night of fun and the sex.
Mamba apartment. This is not Kiev sex, this is industrial chain.
Member #4491
09-29-15, 01:42
My current question is about the price range I should be willing to offer for such an arrangement. I want it to be fair but reasonable.There are so many parameters to take into consideration in a response to this question. How you look. How fun or square you are. What history the girl has. How blonde she is (try 500 USD on a few pretty blondes on Mamba and see what I mean). Will you play the future card or will you be you honest and tell her that it is end & goodbye when you leave. And so on. You get the picture.
Say you take your time and find someone that did not yet develop resentment and cynicism with regards to men, and is not considering herself a super model. A pretty and down to earth student, IT student, translator, teacher, cashier, etc, that is good looking but where some of the beauty comes from her personality rather than emulating some idea of how women should look to be "a perfect ten". Based on my experience somewhere around 200-400 USD per month will make a huge difference for most, and keep her coming back with a smile. I have had girlfriends that I would just give some occasional help and then just pay for entertainment, and some "girlfriends" where I would "pay for the taxi" with a 100 dollar bill every now and then.
Globally a semi pro to pro shag almost always boils down to 100 USD plus / minus 50%. So 50-150 USD will get you a good evening in most corners of the world. With some repeat discount, you will be below 400 USD with your scheme, at least until you both "fall in love" and the real drain starts. God forbid you get the idea to marry her, because that is when you really can say goodbye to the 100 USD per shag rate. LOL.
Some of these 100 USD plus / minus 50% females will be ugly and others will be super hot. There is a level of correlation between look and price, yet occasionally universe surprise us and throw in that hope giving unspoiled super hoe at just the same rate that we had the latex smelling hard core not-at-all-like-her-pictures hoe the evening before. We feel blessed and immediately make confused plans for some sort of relationship with her to secure future access to that honey cave, and then once we shot our load a few times more in the super twat, we give less of a fuck and call a mate for a beer instead.
Maybe it is all about saturation, but I have noticed that the more years a punter play this game, the faster he tend to start to fiddle with the phone to get Miss Super Vixen in a taxi and get his own ass in another taxi heading to wherever his good mate is meeting him. Very few old timers will ask you if a shared girl spent 2 or 3 hours for X USD. Some guys are just suckers for attention, the love game or whatever format the self stroking takes, but sooner or later almost all mongers will start to separate the act of sex from the act of nurturing that big ugly disturbed baby called ego. The uniqueness of the experience itself becomes central and the quantification of the experience or the service providers exterior fades into irrelevance.
Some guys are into numbers and grading looks and body. Others, me included, just sample more or less all that comes their way. Top model or average next door girl with small tits and a big ass, does not matter so much in the bigger picture. I am yet to read about the man who lays on his death bed regretting fucking too many women, be it 6, 8 or 9,63 on the global hoe normalization gradation. IMHO numbers and gradations of reality is just opinions at best, and mean nothing in the big scheme. Honestly, what good is an opinion on your death bed? Useless, so why would it matter 4 or 40 years before ones transition?
In any case, the short answer is: offer her 300 USD when the time is right, but don't be too instrumental about it all. Take it as it comes and develop report before you start to discuss an agreement. You will meet plenty of lovely devs when you have arrived, so do not rush into something that will later transform into a limitation.
Sorry for the waffle. Peace.
B
Horny Monger
09-29-15, 10:31
I will say after 3 weeks is completely dead thanks ti all those Amy of sex tourist overpaying, the economic crisis who has destroyed all the middle class it was till one years ago.
And the fly of thousand of girl from city, especially those more open minded to west culture and speaking good English.
Once it was easy to find great girl open, funny, goo attitude.
Those who consider foreigners are only the prostitute, and if not they all need a lot of attention and money. Most are people without any helps from anybody, salary down m inflation, everything contributes to a situation where even the best person will soon ask for help.
I don't blame them and I feel ashamed I couldn't help some girl I had a relation in the past but it's clear that they will need forever money, and when you stop helping they stop fucking.
They are also not to be blamed cause really the quality and level of people coming in this country has fallen down. Tons of poor Arab, poor countrymen from any country.
Dressed in the most bizarre manner I have ever seen, those cute girl who walk with those old European that make the Ukrainians looks like Richard here. Really terrible.
Time to look for another country, maybe more expensive but where you can really act a free mongering, I mean not paying in advance for sex, with good quality.
Personally I don't understand why people come here to pay. Most of the girl that work as prostitute are not even near the 5, I mean those who ask the price you read here. For good very good quality you spent more than some western country.
Anyway game over as far as me. Maybe in two years with a change of situation and a gryvna back to 10 it will get back a normal place, now is really something terrible.I agree that "Time to look for another country. Most of the girl that work as prostitute are not even near the 5, I mean those who ask the price you read here. For good very good quality you spent more than some western country."
This brings back my point earlier that it's better and cheaper to go mongering elsewhere, i.e. in another country.
Horny Monger
09-29-15, 10:42
7?
Are you serious?
Have you ever been to top place in Kiev? Like Cerebro or some city beach outside the city?
I visit 5 apartments there was only a girl worth 7, the rest chubby and with sad face.
I was just being generous with the scores since there're many overrated scores giving here by many mongers.
Obviously, most girls should be rated even lower on their looks.
Horny Monger
09-29-15, 10:51
You are right. Quality for the same buck has gone down a lot since 2011. Specially last couple of years it is becoming more and more difficult to locate an overall attractive package (looks wise), and almost impossible to get perfect looks and perfect service unless you are willing to spend about 7 x or 8 x the going rate for the rank and file (5's and 6's).
The economy being down is not helping either with prices at the very high end. There is enough of limited market for limited supply in that category.
It is lot of work, good grooming and looks, to score anything semi-pro or amateur.
Wish it was 2010 and 2011 again!
Peter.Thanks for your comment. You pointed out the very facts and added another dimension that inexperienced naive would-be mongers in Kiev don't realize. They're misled by many polluted posts here thinking that it's easy and cheap. As AColonizer wrote earlier: " this thread has become a den of pimps telling marketing-oriented tales in order to attract inexperienced men in Kiev."
The fact is that it's harder and more expensive than elsewhere in Europe.
Member #4491
09-29-15, 14:50
I travel extensively all over the world, with a lot of free time, and I can only concur. Why anyone would choose Kiev based only on poonani, escapes me.
Germany, England, Spain, Asia, Caribbean, Africa, South America. You name it.
If you are going due to work, by all means enjoy and do the best of it. But Rio rip off, half ass erotic massages and the Mamba lottery really does not justify a flight to Kiev considering what is out there waiting for your hard earned marmaca.
B
I've read the last posts and I totally agree that Kiev is not anymore what it used to be! For the last 5 years I've been to Kiev about 40 times.
It was great in the beginning in terms of 9 to 10's, attitude, fun and money!
I remember the times taking out from Rio 2 gorgeous girls for USD 250 each (price was always the same) but they stayed in my apartment until next day.
We had a lot of fun, drunk a lot and they did more than they normally do. Every Night I had a big problem at Rio which girl to take as there were so many 7-10's.
Now they have about 95% chubby and average girls. And if I spot a great one she either regret to come to me to the apartment or the service is bad and they want.
To leave after 2 or 3 hours.
Same with Mamba where I always had some girls for the day action. Now only spam or average chicas want money like a 10 in Moscow!
On the street the same, in the good old days almost every gorgeous girl on Kreshatic smiled to you if you smiled to them and if you asked for their number and a coffee, it worked.
Still I'm at least lucky with one girl when I'm there. But it's not worth it going there only for this! (Speaking of this, I will be in Kiev this weekend.
I'm from Germany and here the prices are very low and the quantity great but we have a Romanian overload at the FKK clubs. Not good anymore, Where have all the Russians gone?
So the big question is where to go instead?
Is Moscow and St. Petersburg good again? Was there lots of times from 1999 until 2010. But the same over there, the last years were not good anymore.
I was thinking about Minsk?
(I don't like Romanian, Bulgarian and Moldavian girls; Poland is not good; Kaschastan and Kyrgisia is too far.).
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Hi all,
I long time lurker and felt the need to post my opinion since I have been there on and off 4 times a month in the hey days of 2008-2011. First thing I noticed is the strip bar, lingerie, sex shops seem to have doubled. Almost Every Taxi driver (young guys) are trying to take you to Dolls or one of the two apartment houses 1600 uah or 1200 uah and this is after you already mentioned you only need to go to Ocean Plaza IMHO it is definitely no better now for the Normal Joe as it more difficult in every way. The usual P4P clubs Avalon (disco), Vodka Bar, Decadence even SkyBar was closed. The real sign for me was the demise of Shooters (Every Ex-pats) Dream on a Sunday ladies night when at midnight the Curtains would open and a club full of already horny and drunk girls. Instead now there is no curtain and no girls, just a bar full of mostly Turkish, Mixed other nations and counted 3 girls until I left. This is not the Kiev I remember and it is quite sad. As a first time visitor now to Kiev you may wonder what all the fuss is about but unless you have been there since the start you know that now it extremely dull and lacking in any real atmosphere. A real shame and I do hope that things improve.
The uniqueness of the experience itself becomes central and the quantification of the experience or the service providers exterior fades into irrelevance.
Barba, these are wise words. I use to be of the thinking that I would only bang young hotties, but this just wasn't realistic in my US home city. What is realistic was meeting needy Euro moms in cheap motels for massage and blowjob and sometimes extra. What I discovered was freshly turned women not yet desensitized by sex like a hard hoe and unique personalities. Most are duds, but I do find women so excited to suck a strange mans cock that the excitement crosses over to me in a way not possible with a mechanical provider.
Also, just my take on Kiev. Theirs always new young hoes coming to town ready to make their fast buck. Problem is they wise up real quick to their value in the world. It's a never ending game to hunt down the new girls ready to share their pussy for cash..
DudeNextDoor
10-01-15, 10:34
I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.
I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!
I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low.
I talked to them and they travel from Paris to Athens, London to & Istanbul and so on every 2 weeks. When they go back to Kiev or Moscow, they are loaded with cash and they rest for a month or so and then they start travelling again for a few months.Comparing the asking price for Athens and Istanbul, 200 USD an hour girl in Istanbul is 100 Euros in Athens but I never mongered in Athens so I do not know how easy going things are in Athens.
I think this is how the 9's and 10's gone off the market in Kiev.
I would have recommend you Northern Cyprus but it would not be viable for you since you do not like Moldovan. %35-40 of the girls working at the clubs over there are Moldovan. I had one 21 years old skinny blonde for 1 hour multi-pops including motel room for 50 Euros. I cannot beat that anywhere I been to for a 7 or 8!
I've read the last posts and I totally agree that Kiev is not anymore what it used to be! For the last 5 years I've been to Kiev about 40 times.
It was great in the beginning in terms of 9 to 10's, attitude, fun and money!
I remember the times taking out from Rio 2 gorgeous girls for USD 250 each (price was always the same) but they stayed in my apartment until next day.
We had a lot of fun, drunk a lot and they did more than they normally do. Every Night I had a big problem at Rio which girl to take as there were so many 7-10's.
So the big question is where to go instead?
(I don't like Romanian, Bulgarian and Moldavian girls; Poland is not good; Kaschastan and Kyrgisia is too far.).
Yes, I was told so as well. Last weekend I was in London. I went to some locations as well to Strip Clubs but nothing like 9-10. I checked the hundreds of Escort webpages advertising with Russian girls but the photos are so much photoshopped! They all look not natural at all and ask for GBP 250 and up! But I heard as well that Istanbul should be good so I will test soon! Back in Dubai soon but the same over there! It was good until 4-5 years ago. But now only 4-7's and if you go to Chin Chin at Fairmont you have only those surgery babes that I don't like. Not easy.
I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.
I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!
I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low...
I agree with you %100! I been to Lviv, Kiev, Odessa and Kharkiv. Every time I visit, I feel like things in the mongering biz going down hill.
I have a Lviv trip coming up end of the month but I am not excited anymore like I used to be!
I been seeing the 18-19 year old Ukrainian and Russian skinny babes, model types at the incall set up at the 5 star hotel in Istanbul. Search thoroughly and you will find a 9 or 10! I look through the profiles at the escort news European site, then read the reviews (some reviews are fake-make sure the report is genuine before head out to the date) It is not cheap. About 200 USD an hour but it worth it when you pick the right one. There is a possibility of fake pictures %50. But, not in a bad way, I would say half of the fake Picture girls even look better then the fake pictures. Yes, when you end up with that %25 bad apples, just wak out. They will not demand Money or make a scene, since they are doing escorting at these nice hotels, they try to be on the low-low.
I talked to them and they travel from Paris to Athens, London to & Istanbul and so on every 2 weeks. When they go back to Kiev or Moscow, they are loaded with cash and they rest for a month or so and then they start travelling again for a few months.Comparing the asking price for Athens and Istanbul, 200 USD an hour girl in Istanbul is 100 Euros in Athens but I never mongered in Athens so I do not know how easy going things are in Athens.
I think this is how the 9's and 10's gone off the market in Kiev.
I would have recommend you Northern Cyprus but it would not be viable for you since you do not like Moldovan. %35-40 of the girls working at the clubs over there are Moldovan. I had one 21 years old skinny blonde for 1 hour multi-pops including motel room for 50 Euros. I cannot beat that anywhere I been to for a 7 or 8!So are these girls pimped now.
Instead of freelancing in Ukraine?
DudeNextDoor
10-01-15, 19:15
You get in touch with a Ukrainian or Russian number via whatsapp. The manager sets up the appointment. Manager gives you the room number when you are at the hotel at the set meeting time. The girl will be waiting in her room, without a clue who will show up at her room door! Very few of them are freelancers or independents as the site categories them.
P.S: Be aware there is also an Ukrainian agency calls itself independent. (Just look at the phone numbers, if more then 1 independent girl has the same number then that is the agency!) Good Luck! Happy hunting!
So are these girls pimped now.
Instead of freelancing in Ukraine?
But I heard as well that Istanbul should be good so I will test soon! I follow certain girls on FB and VK and can see some have relocated to Istanbul. I see only tourist photos for the Western cities mentioned by DND. Does not matter, once in a commercial circuit, they are no longer anything special.
Totally agree! Once they are experienced and move to other countries they are nothing special anymore. Too much professional but still some of them are great GFE experience. But for double or triple money. Remember the times on Nevsky prospect in St. Petersburg in 1999 when every girl turned around and smiled to me because I am from Germany. Talked to them we ended up (after buying flowers, having coffee etc) in the hotel. Next morning one out of 3 situations appeared: 1) She asked for USD 200 and left 2) She gave me her number, said she is a student and were happy if I have some little money 3) she gave me her number and asked if we meet again. But nevertheless if 1), 2) or 3) = the sex was like great GFE!
I follow certain girls on FB and VK and can see some have relocated to Istanbul. I see only tourist photos for the Western cities mentioned by DND. Does not matter, once in a commercial circuit, they are no longer anything special.
NightOwl69
10-02-15, 19:57
You get in touch with a Ukrainian or Russian number via whatsapp. TWe have quite allot of those in Dubai, their price starts at 200 $ an hour and could go up to 1300 $ a night. Some book a hotel where you contact Russian or Ukrainian no via wahatsapp and they direct you and some go to clubs accompanied by and older age female manager who is in control of everything the.
IMHO for this kind of prices it would be much cheaper for me to fly to Kiev for a weekend. Personally when I find a girl on mamba or TG having pictures of her either in Dubai or Turkey I sat away from her. Few days ago I met a very cute girl on TG who worked in Dubai from short time, she wanted me to send her money, flowers, gifts just to get her interested to talk. When I told her if you find a fool to do that let me know because I have property in in Florida ocean side I would like to sell, she really got pissed and kept going on about how well she was treated (money wise in Dubai). So I guess we should all stay away from the ones worked outside abroad. Man its getting harder and harder for us.
Cheers.
AntonioMontana
10-03-15, 12:37
Hi there!
I am going to Kiev in autumn, any advice for me? I was never there before and I am not sure where I should search for hotel / apartment? What is the best area? So not only for P6, but also for mongering in general, so bars and clubs? What is the situation currently? Where and how can one get to know the women in Kiev? And one stupid simple question: How do I get from the airport to the city center? I arrive at the airport which is quite far away and I do not want to be a victim of taxi driver rip off. So any advice? Public transportation, is this an option?
Thanks a lot for the help!
AntonioMontana
10-03-15, 12:45
(Speaking of this, I will be in Kiev this weekend.
I'm from Germany and here the prices are very low and the quantity great but we have a Romanian overload at the FKK clubs. Not good anymore, Where have all the Russians gone?
I was thinking about Minsk?
Poland is not good;Hi Kirch!
I am also from Germany and I have booked a flight to Kiev in autumn. I have never been there before. I was also thinking about Minsk. Why don't you like Poland? I made super experience with Polish girls? Would you like to meet once or monger together E. G. In Kiev? I would be interested.
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InsomniacTales
10-03-15, 21:27
I was just there for a month for work. One place to avoid and one to be wary. Avoid VisionEve dating agency: they took 200 euro for five introductions. The first date turned up. Stayed for exactly 59 minutes for lunch. At 60 minutes she got up and said she had to leave. She asked for 500 for the taxi having said all along she lived out of town. I then saw her 5 minutes later walk into the metro. I told the agency I wasn't happy and they cancelled all the other 4 dates. They didn't return my money. One to be wary of is Dolls strip club. The girls are very average and some quite rough. It's so dark that it's hard to tell. Anyway, within a minute at the table they ordered 600 grh cocktails and 300 grh apple juices and ordered it direct to the waitress. 2 visits there and same each time. Very pushy with the drinks at over inflated prices. Like the old Soho strip clubs of London before they were shut down. I then had a 1000 grh massage and because I didn't want a happy ending the girl didn't bother. She just lay there and scratched my back. We both kept pants on. I was frustrated so an hour later I got another massage from a friendlier one. This time she got naked. I kept my pants on. The back massage was with her breasts. She didn't grind with her genitals and didn't sit on me or straddle me and didn't kiss. Just danced over me a little. A private dance a bit later at 500 was very average and lamer than the US or London ones though I'm no expert. Mild grinding in the air. So I came out 7000 grh poorer a few hours later. This was all the first few days and I clearly had tourist written all over me. Leave the jacket at home! I wised up later and decided to enjoy the food and walks and avoid the club's totally. I thought I'd share for the newbies. Overall as a visit it wasn't too bad simply for reassuring myself I wasn't missing out on anything, but for meeting nice and beautiful women I've had better fun and more success in Istanbul and Paris and London and Scandinavian cities. If it wasn't for work I'd never go back. The girls are wisened up. Even the most innocent looking and well brought up girls have learnt the game and by 23 most the ones I met had had some sort of experience as a prostitute or stripper. The better their English and the better they dressed the likelier this was. Non prosi girls frankly you can get far better staying at home. Prosis are plentiful as this thread says but if you save the airfare and hotel bill it comes to the same cost as if you stay at home. Interesting as a one off trip but don't believe the hype. The tourists going there for the myth generated by the marketers provide a huge income.
Good luck!
Hi,
Has anyone use the service from this site before: www.vodkaescort.com.
Is it legit?
Will be stopping by Kiev for several hours and don't have the time to monger.
Thanks
Horny Monger
10-04-15, 13:57
The girls are very average and some quite rough. It's so dark that it's hard to tell. This is why the 9's or 10's had been spotted by people here! (LOL).
I've always doubted the spotting of 9's or 10's here by some people because there is NONE! I am lucky if I find an 8.
Horny Monger
10-04-15, 14:08
Informative report.
This basically sums up the mongering situation in Kiev now days.
A word of the wise: Avoid! Avoid! Avoid!
You are not missing out on anything. Don't believe any of the marketing type of reports by den of pimps or whoever here, as senior member, AColonizer had pointed out.
Go elsewhere or stay home (save on airfare and accommodation), have more fun and save money and time.
I was just there for a month for work. One place to avoid and one to be wary. Avoid VisionEve dating agency: they took 200 euro for five introductions. The first date turned up. Stayed for exactly 59 minutes for lunch. At 60 minutes she got up and said she had to leave. She asked for 500 for the taxi having said all along she lived out of town. I then saw her 5 minutes later walk into the metro. I told the agency I wasn't happy and they cancelled all the other 4 dates. They didn't return my money. One to be wary of is Dolls strip club. The girls are very average and some quite rough. It's so dark that it's hard to tell. Anyway, within a minute at the table they ordered 600 grh cocktails and 300 grh apple juices and ordered it direct to the waitress. 2 visits there and same each time. Very pushy with the drinks at over inflated prices. Like the old Soho strip clubs of London before they were shut down. I then had a 1000 grh massage and because I didn't want a happy ending the girl didn't bother. She just lay there and scratched my back. We both kept pants on. I was frustrated so an hour later I got another massage from a friendlier one. This time she got naked. I kept my pants on. The back massage was with her breasts. She didn't grind with her genitals and didn't sit on me or straddle me and didn't kiss. Just danced over me a little. A private dance a bit later at 500 was very average and lamer than the US or London ones though I'm no expert. Mild grinding in the air. So I came out 7000 grh poorer a few hours later. This was all the first few days and I clearly had tourist written all over me. Leave the jacket at home! I wised up later and decided to enjoy the food and walks and avoid the club's totally. I thought I'd share for the newbies. Overall as a visit it wasn't too bad simply for reassuring myself I wasn't missing out on anything, but for meeting nice and beautiful women I've had better fun and more success in Istanbul and Paris and London and Scandinavian cities. If it wasn't for work I'd never go back. The girls are wisened up. Even the most innocent looking and well brought up girls have learnt the game and by 23 most the ones I met had had some sort of experience as a prostitute or stripper. The better their English and the better they dressed the likelier this was. Non prosi girls frankly you can get far better staying at home. Prosis are plentiful as this thread says but if you save the airfare and hotel bill it comes to the same cost as if you stay at home. Interesting as a one off trip but don't believe the hype. The tourists going there for the myth generated by the marketers provide a huge income.
Good luck!
Hi Horny Monger,
Always wondering about so many people here who know everything about Kiev but were actually here only a couple of times. Especially the fellows from USA, I have met quite a lot of them personally in Kiev or Dubai and it was always the same. Haha.
I just posted that it really changed here and has gotten worse but it is still a paradise compared to the USA, GB or Turkey! I don't understand the post of this guy here who says he would be happier in London or Istanbul. Sorry for laughing out loud but I want to see the girls like the good ones from Rio in Kiev if you book them in London or Istanbul! It starts at GBP 250 and up!
Right now I am in Kiev and after quite a long time it's fantastic this time! I took out a 8 from Rio yesterday (super delicious xxs body and so cute, 22 years old) and paid EUR 230. She stayed from Midnight until 07:00 in the morning in my Hotel. This is EUR 33 per hour! Want to see how you guys do this in Germany, Great Britain, USA or somewhere else. Haha you experts.
By the way, EUR 230 at Rio is for 3 hours! Only if you like each other they stay longer. So always chat with them at Rio and only go with them if you really notice they like you.
And for all of those here who think me or Liljoey or others would do Promotions for Rio, just forget about it. Just pm me when you are in Kiev and we meet. I'm a normal guy who tested everything in Kiev and I always end up at Rio, because its the best price / value relation.
I'm not 25 years anymore now I have the time to go out every night in Kiev for hunting. This is why I go there.
And in addition for all the Experts here: Ukraine has a high infection rate of HIV and Rio is for me the safest place. I only notice there that the girls take good care about their health. I know girls from shity places like Vodka Bar or others who fuck without condom. No comment about this!
Informative report.
This basically sums up the mongering situation in Kiev now days.
A word of the wise: Avoid! Avoid! Avoid!
You are not missing out on anything. Don't believe any of the marketing type of reports by den of pimps or whoever here, as senior member, AColonizer had pointed out.
Go elsewhere or stay home (save on airfare and accommodation), have more fun and save money and time.
InsomniacTales
10-04-15, 20:16
Quite! I was surprised after all the stories I'd heard. Disappointing even after loads of whiskey. And the dance floor is so far away. So they have glitzy decor and good booming sound system but the waitresses are glum as hell and the dancing girls not models by any standard. None speak English. And all of them say they've only worked for 2 weeks. Interesting that after the second night at Dolls I also went to Penthouse which is better lit and smaller. My friends said Penthouse girls weren't too pretty but I now realize that they are of a higher standard than the ones at Dolls but have the disadvantage of proximity and bright lights. You can actually see them up very close at Penthouse! And they're not pushy. Still, even here no 9's and 10's. These are just on their website photos.
This is why the 9's or 10's had been spotted by people here! (LOL).
I've always doubted the spotting of 9's or 10's here by some people because there is NONE! I am lucky if I find an 8.
InsomniacTales
10-04-15, 21:00
Hi,
Fair point on pricey London. My comment was just my personal opinion on meeting non working girls in Kiev. As an average bloke who's quite chatty I find it much easier to chat, flirt and date in practically every other city compared to Kiev. In Kiev everyone is so wary of non Russian speaking foreigners and the place has been saturated and flogged to death by swarms of sex tourists. The girls seem to have heard and seen it all and they've no doubt the same access to the hype on the Internet as we have. Some are almost on a mission to prove they aren't the stereotype that's so hyped. And as someone says on this thread, they know what they're worth in the international context. They've often traveled abroad and they are not just waiting to be 'saved' by a foreigner. In fact, many are happy to put up with the tough years and live in Ukraine near their parents and families. Event the most hardened prosis make weekly visits to far flung villages to see elderly parents and grandparents. The 'Ukrainian men are all drunks' and 'I can't find a local boyfriend' is date site marketing and a total nonsense. As for Rio, sure, heard lots about it and it sounds like it may be the best of the lot but I was so jaded after my Dolls experience that I abandoned them altogether for the rest of my stay.
Hi Horny Monger,
Always wondering about so many people here who know everything about Kiev but were actually here only a couple of times. Especially the fellows from USA, I have met quite a lot of them personally in Kiev or Dubai and it was always the same. Haha.
I just posted that it really changed here and has gotten worse but it is still a paradise compared to the USA, GB or Turkey! I don't understand the post of this guy here who says he would be happier in London or Istanbul. Sorry for laughing out loud but I want to see the girls like the good ones from Rio in Kiev if you book them in London or Istanbul! It starts at GBP 250 and up!
Right now I am in Kiev and after quite a long time it's fantastic this time! I took out a 8 from Rio yesterday (super delicious xxs body and so cute, 22 years old) and paid EUR 230. She stayed from Midnight until 07:00 in the morning in my Hotel. This is EUR 33 per hour! Want to see how you guys do this in Germany, Great Britain, USA or somewhere else. Haha you experts.
By the way, EUR 230 at Rio is for 3 hours! Only if you like each other they stay longer. So always chat with them at Rio and only go with them if you really notice they like you.!
Member #4491
10-04-15, 22:55
don't understand the post of this guy here who says he would be happier in London or Istanbul. Sorry for laughing out loud but I want to see the girls like the good ones from Rio in Kiev if you book them in London or Istanbul! I guess some guys just do not think Rio is motivation enough to go all the way to Kiev, Kirch. In a previous post you mentioned that 95% of the girls are chubby and average and the pretty ones are often refusing to leave or clock watchers if they do come with you, so I almost suspected you also turned on Rio by now. I have never been to Istanbul so I can not comment on that scene, but a quick glance at for example the AdultWork options in say London shows that it would be insanity to fly from UK to Kiev with the purpose of saving money in Rio. Maybe a little less aggravation in Rio than chasing on AW, but from what I have learned you can get the same quality and in all possible flavors on AW. If I lived in London my cock would fall off. Not saying this is your point, Kirch but to claim that the top 5% Rio girls are prettier than all the 100-150 GBP escorts in London is quite a stretch of subjectivity. Or the ones in TRNC for that matter (only part of Turkey I ever fucked in).
It is my impression that it is the punters who are not into the Rio scene that might find Ukraine worth the time, air fare and apartment cost. The ones who are not into the 100% commercialized mongering and either go here for work or to spend quite a lot of time chasing tail in the good old way. And perhaps already have a large network to tap into. The guys who meet 5-10 females per day in various situations and then just do the work patiently and reap the rewards, will still enjoy Ukraine.
But maybe I am just not informed sufficiently, because in all honesty I must admit that I never picked up a girl from Rio, ever. Not sure I even ever sat foot there. TheKnight gladly drags me around in various strip clubs sometimes but I never remember the names. I never met any girls from strip bars and rarely met anyone in night clubs that I later fucked. I rely on Mamba and other social media, as well as a reasonably big network of friends and previous adventures.
Kirch, I go back in a couple of days so we should perhaps meet up so you can turn me into a Rio fanatic as well. LOL.
HIV statistics is always discomforting but one needs to keep a sober view on the risk, but let us not discuss that here again.
Barba
Barba,
You are right it's not worth coming here only for Rio. Sometimes I have meetings and jobs here in Kiev and the rest of the time I spend the time with girls. But it's of course more convenient for me to come to Kiev. Flight with Lufthansa around 99 Euro, Fairmont right now 149 Euro / Night. So its not a big deal. It's only 2 hours flight from Germany in addition. And I like the atmosphere of Kiev as well. It's just that I know the good old times. One of the ISG fellows I met in Dubai came to Kiev first time this year and he was totally satisfied as for those who don't know the old times is still paradise.
I hate myself for being so spoiled! Haha. I like those nice natural skinny and cute girls which are not professional at all. Still it's easier to find them here. Once they have come to Germany, they have had a long trip behind with many experience, so not good for me anymore.
I'm every once and a while in London and my experience was not so good. BUT as always it's what you desire! I don't like those silicon dolls with Prada / Gucci clothes. And believe it's more those girls travelling to London, Istanbul or Dubai.
So this time I here in Kiev I was lucky and found a perfect new girl I spend a lot of time with for little money. In addition some great massage of 2 gorgeous girls from Hotmassage and I met my ex girl friend who was horny again. And a nice dinner with my friends tomorrow. So I'm confused again as I always want to stop coming here and then I have some good experience and come back.
Barba, I leave on Wednesday so we miss each other but would love to meet you next time.
I guess some guys just do not think Rio is motivation enough to go all the way to Kiev, Kirch. In a previous post you mentioned that 95% of the girls are chubby and average and the pretty ones are often refusing to leave or clock watchers if they do come with you, so I almost suspected you also turned on Rio by now. I have never been to Istanbul so I can not comment on that scene, but a quick glance at for example the AdultWork options in say London shows that it would be insanity to fly from UK to Kiev with the purpose of saving money in Rio. Maybe a little less aggravation in Rio than chasing on AW, but from what I have learned you can get the same quality and in all possible flavors on AW. If I lived in London my cock would fall off. Not saying this is your point, Kirch but to claim that the top 5% Rio girls are prettier than all the 100-150 GBP escorts in London is quite a stretch of subjectivity. Or the ones in TRNC for that matter (only part of Turkey I ever fucked in)...
Totally agree! It's so hard to get in contact with the natural and normal girls if you don't speak Russian! I only speak some words and they like it but it's always the same: If I see a girl I like, she almost never speaks English! Only the spoiled Sukaswith Iphone and Prada speak English and those I don't want. Haha. When I meet nice girls who speak at least some good English they always tell me: learn Russian and you will find so many nice girls here.
In terms of Dolls, I have been there a couple of times and it was always empty! Just about 10 girls and not really good ones. And yes, it's way to dark inside there. I never do Private Dances and never invite girls for drinks at Rio. So you save a lot of money. 200 Griwna entrance and 7 Euro for a Rum Cola is not too much to see about 60-80 girls you can choose from. Next time you come to Kiev try Rio. When you enter ask for the lower basement area. For me it's the best one. Normally the new girls have to start dancing in the basement and those are the ones I like. VIP area for my taste is not good as so many chubby girls. Always good to give the manager 100 Griwna (only if Rio is crowded!) so he will take about you and don't ignore you.
But as the other ISD fellow wrote, check the girl at your table from face to face because it's dark in those clubs! I always add to the "walk of shame" (from Lobby to elevator) the "walk of truth"! The walk of truth is when you enter a 5 star Hotel elevator which has bright light! I remember a girl from Dubai who looked so gorgeous in the club but in the elevator I noticed she was full of acne and pimples.
Hi,
Fair point on pricey London. My comment was just my personal opinion on meeting non working girls in Kiev. As an average bloke who's quite chatty I find it much easier to chat, flirt and date in practically every other city compared to Kiev. In Kiev everyone is so wary of non Russian speaking foreigners and the place has been saturated and flogged to death by swarms of sex tourists. The girls seem to have heard and seen it all and they've no doubt the same access to the hype on the Internet as we have. Some are almost on a mission to prove they aren't the stereotype that's so hyped. And as someone says on this thread, they know what they're worth in the international context. They've often traveled abroad and they are not just waiting to be 'saved' by a foreigner. In fact, many are happy to put up with the tough years and live in Ukraine near their parents and families. Event the most hardened prosis make weekly visits to far flung villages to see elderly parents and grandparents. The 'Ukrainian men are all drunks' and 'I can't find a local boyfriend' is date site marketing and a total nonsense. As for Rio, sure, heard lots about it and it sounds like it may be the best of the lot but I was so jaded after my Dolls experience that I abandoned them altogether for the rest of my stay.
I guess some guys just do not think Rio is motivation enough to go all the way to Kiev, I have never been to Istanbul so I can not comment on that scene, but a quick glance at for example the AdultWork options in say London shows that it would be insanity to fly from UK to Kiev with the purpose of saving money in Rio. Maybe a little less aggravation in Rio than chasing on AW, but from what I have learned you can get the same quality and in all possible flavors on AW. If I lived in London my cock would fall off. but to claim that the top 5% Rio girls are prettier than all the 100-150 GBP escorts in London is quite a stretch of subjectivity. Or the ones in TRNC for that matter (only part of Turkey I ever fucked in).
It is my impression that it is the punters who are not into the Rio scene that might find Ukraine worth the time, air fare and apartment cost. The ones who are not into the 100% commercialized mongering and either go here for work or to spend quite a lot of time chasing tail in the good old way. And perhaps already have a large network to tap into. The guys who meet 5-10 females per day in various situations and then just do the work patiently and reap the rewards, will still enjoy Ukraine.
I rely on Mamba and other social media, as well as a reasonably big network of friends and previous adventures.
BarbaVery well said Barba and a very objective report on the scene in Kiev and relevant comparisons.
Member #4491
10-05-15, 16:05
Barba, I leave on Wednesday so we miss each other but would love to meet you next time.Sounds like a plan, Kirch. That is the kind I go for as well. Or natural big tits. Or preggos, but I never find that in Ukr.
You Germans are lucky with short and cheap flights.
I want to try a massage this time. I have tons of info on massage but maybe you can point me to a hot, slim, non Botox / silicone girl that will not mess around but rather just do what is expected?
Barba
Barba,
Girls at massage salons change too often. In addition I'm more into slim girls. Haha. But best experience is always Salon Dolly and I have seen yesterday (sometimes I drop by there as it is just behind the opera now) some that could fit your targets. Another good salon is Hotmassage, nicer girls but 1.000 Griwna for one hour for outcall.
Sounds like a plan, Kirch. That is the kind I go for as well. Or natural big tits. Or preggos, but I never find that in Ukr.
You Germans are lucky with short and cheap flights.
I want to try a massage this time. I have tons of info on massage but maybe you can point me to a hot, slim, non Botox / silicone girl that will not mess around but rather just do what is expected?
Barba
LuisVega11
10-06-15, 15:28
I try to clear some point.
1- go in Kiev for pay girl is totally useless not only for those who pay but also bad for those who has never paid.
2- Kiev is filled with cheap tourist from all over the world, do to cheap prices.
3- Kiev is filled with thousand of eastern Ukrainian people, they are contrary to Kiev and western Ukrainian, less polite less happy and open minded.
4- 2+3 that's why girl don't react well if stopped in the street like before. Yesterday I stop the super cute girl, a sweet person and she explained me that form morning till 14 10 people stopped them, 3 foreigners and 7 Ukrainian. The foreigners all offered her money for sex, one 500 euro. You understand now why they are fucked up? Because there are people coming from all over the world and acting like monkey, not like normal person. I hope some nationalist from Kiev will direct their attention to this phenomenon, and maybe after some beating tourist with this idea of woman will think twice before stopping every girl and asking sex for money.
5- if you are old or ugly you only will pay. There are full of nice looking Ukrainians, while a young girl will come to you? Simply she will only for money, and a lot if they are very good.
6. -the quality improved in the last 2 weeks of September, but still not the level of some years.
7- nightlife is dead. In arena last weekend there were nobody. Sign of crisis.
8- Kiev is for long time monger, I mean 3 6 months. Even one months is sometimes not enough, but if you are good looking good mannered speaks some Russian, English is OK with normal girl, not true that only pro speaks English, the problem is that most of the time if they are not interested on you they will tell you sometimes in English I don't speak English.
9- there are tourist I know who stop girl in the street promise 500 euro sometimes, they fuck poor or weak person target and then they will not give money. This thing is growing. And is well known. I hope nobody here act like.
I hope less and less tourist from now on. In November I will back and luckily with cold less tourist.
LuisVega11
10-06-15, 15:37
Hi,
Fair point on pricey London. My comment was just my personal opinion on meeting non working girls in Kiev. As an average bloke who's quite chatty I find it much easier to chat, flirt and date in practically every other city compared to Kiev. In Kiev everyone is so wary of non Russian speaking foreigners and the place has been saturated and flogged to death by swarms of sex tourists. The girls seem to have heard and seen it all and they've no doubt the same access to the hype on the Internet as we have. Some are almost on a mission to prove they aren't the stereotype that's so hyped. And as someone says on this thread, they know what they're worth in the international context. They've often traveled abroad and they are not just waiting to be 'saved' by a foreigner. In fact, many are happy to put up with the tough years and live in Ukraine near their parents and families. Event the most hardened prosis make weekly visits to far flung villages to see elderly parents and grandparents. The 'Ukrainian men are all drunks' and 'I can't find a local boyfriend' is date site marketing and a total nonsense. As for Rio, sure, heard lots about it and it sounds like it may be the best of the lot but I was so jaded after my Dolls experience that I abandoned them altogether for the rest of my stay.I'm 39 good looking speak english and some Russian. I'm not talking about fucking girl every day. But I can sometimes find 18-20 years old girl I flirt with chat and date, now less easily than before, in a month it happens 2 3 times, sometimes more. Find me another place in Europe where it's possible. Where I live if I approach a girl of 22 years she look me like a criminal.
InsomniacTales
10-06-15, 22:31
I have to agree with you on points 2 and 9 which I also heard about. Overheard a loud conversation in a cafe where a 50 something man with a mustache and a belly and a striking resemblance to a recently deposed dictator shouting beckoning some 20 somethings over shouting 'come to me, come here, I am from Canada, I can help you'. The girls weren't impressed. But that's what I mean. The place has been thoroughly flogged. I have to disagree on the age point. A good looking fit 39 year old with a bit of money and charm can easily date a nice 20 something in London, and in my opinion far more easily than in Kiev and with less of the confusion about whether or not she's a non working girl or its money up front, pay as you go etc (it's always commercial eventually. One form or other!)
I try to clear some point.
1- go in Kiev for pay girl is totally useless not only for those who pay but also bad for those who has never paid.
2- Kiev is filled with cheap tourist from all over the world, do to cheap prices.
3- Kiev is filled with thousand of eastern Ukrainian people, they are contrary to Kiev and western Ukrainian, less polite less happy and open minded.
4- 2+3 that's why girl don't react well if stopped in the street like before. Yesterday I stop the super cute girl, a sweet person and she explained me that form morning till 14 10 people stopped them, 3 foreigners and 7 Ukrainian. The foreigners all offered her money for sex, one 500 euro. You understand now why they are fucked up? Because there are people coming from all over the world and acting like monkey, not like normal person. I hope some nationalist from Kiev will direct their attention to this phenomenon, and maybe after some beating tourist with this idea of woman will think twice before stopping every girl and asking sex for money.
5- if you are old or ugly you only will pay. There are full of nice looking Ukrainians, while a young girl will come to you? Simply she will only for money, and a lot if they are very good..
Barba,
Girls at massage salons change too often. In addition I'm more into slim girls. Haha. But best experience is always Salon Dolly and I have seen yesterday (sometimes I drop by there as it is just behind the opera now) some that could fit your targets. Another good salon is Hotmassage, nicer girls but 1.000 Griwna for one hour for outcall.Salon Dolly is behind the Golden Gate, not really behind the Opera.
But IMHO Salon Dolly has been dead for a few years now.
7 years ago it was one of the top reasons to go to Kiev.
InsomniacTales
10-07-15, 08:25
Hi,
You also say nightlife is dead. It totally was. With friends there we had nowhere to go mid week for a normal light out. The only places open were Shooters Forsage and Caribbean and they were flooded with men. Shooters the ratio was about 6 men to 1 girl at 1 am and the girls were rough. In Caribbean mid week it was similar and the women older, like an old British hospital social club but with many more men. Forsage, I think if you're over 30 then don't bother with that one. And more men than women there too on a Wednesday. And that's with the students all back from their hols.
I try to clear some point.
1- go in Kiev for pay girl is totally useless not only for those who pay but also bad for those who has never paid.
2- Kiev is filled with cheap tourist from all over the world, do to cheap prices.
3- Kiev is filled with thousand of eastern Ukrainian people, they are contrary to Kiev and western Ukrainian, less polite less happy and open minded.
4- 2+3 that's why girl don't react well if stopped in the street like before. Yesterday I stop the super cute girl, a sweet person and she explained me that form morning till 14 10 people stopped them, 3 foreigners and 7 Ukrainian. The foreigners all offered her money for sex, one 500 euro. You understand now why they are fucked up? Because there are people coming from all over the world and acting like monkey, not like normal person. I hope some nationalist from Kiev will direct their attention to this phenomenon, and maybe after some beating tourist with this idea of woman will think twice before stopping every girl and asking sex for money.
5- if you are old or ugly you only will pay. There are full of nice looking Ukrainians, while a young girl will come to you? Simply she will only for money, and a lot if they are very good..
LuisVega11
10-07-15, 12:13
Hi,
You also say nightlife is dead. It totally was. With friends there we had nowhere to go mid week for a normal light out. The only places open were Shooters Forsage and Caribbean and they were flooded with men. Shooters the ratio was about 6 men to 1 girl at 1 am and the girls were rough. In Caribbean mid week it was similar and the women older, like an old British hospital social club but with many more men. Forsage, I think if you're over 30 then don't bother with that one. And more men than women there too on a Wednesday. And that's with the students all back from their hols.These club are the worst for me in Kiev. I sometimes went there but never liked the atmosphere.
Kiev after 23 is dead apart Saturday.
1- no money.
2-no middle class.
3-work work work. We don't realize that Kiev is like any cities in the world, people work 6 of 7 days. Many double work to try make money. Most of the girl that only lived with nightlife are abroad.
My suggestion Kiev is only daytime game, get up early and do your work everywhere, but not like monkey or impolitely, just try to find contact during day. If you don't have a meeting for night go in bed early you save money and energy for daytime.
These club are the worst for me in Kiev. I sometimes went there but never liked the atmosphere.
Kiev after 23 is dead apart Saturday.
1- no money.
2-no middle class.
3-work work work. We don't realize that Kiev is like any cities in the world, people work 6 of 7 days. Many double work to try make money. Most of the girl that only lived with nightlife are abroad.
My suggestion Kiev is only daytime game, get up early and do your work everywhere, but not like monkey or impolitely, just try to find contact during day. If you don't have a meeting for night go in bed early you save money and energy for daytime.Yes, but do not forget that many beautiful girls from the province dream to stay and live in Kiev. They have to rent a house in the capital. Their salaries in Kiev, enough for only apartment. And still need to buy food, cosmetics. So the girls are forced to seek contacts with foreigners.
Especially girls from other cities. Clubs and Cafe is a good place for it.
I'm not clearly understanding.
Are you saying "Tons of young EE (other East European countries) dudes in western cities (in Ukraine) with good jobs" are available in Kiev, so the prostitutes in Kiev are just happy with them?
I was actually talking about regular girls, not prostitutes, on mamba, but are you saying the same goes with regular girls?
But the devaluation of the currency is just a recent thing, and it should be now more difficult for anybody who work for Ukrainian companies (even in western cities) to go abroad for vacation, for example.Maybe. But do not forget that many beautiful girls from the province dream to stay and live in Kiev. They have to rent a house in the capital.
Have you tried Latvia? Lithuania? Belarus? Hungary? Slovakia? Poland? Estonia? Iceland was supposedly a paradise 5 years ago, but I did not make it. Even Finland, but in Finland it is not for your money. They are very open minded and do not dress so sexy, but once naked, look the same.
I'm 39 good looking speak english and some Russian. I m not talking about fucking girl every day. But I can sometimes find 18-20 years old girl I flirt with chat and date, now less easily than before, in a month it happens 2 3 times, sometimes more. Find me another place in Europe where it's possible. Where I live if I approach a girl of 22 years she look me like a criminal.
My first sex in Kiev, many nice girl love anal sex! One hour = 20 y. E. This is anal, oral! I have many foto.
LuisVega11
10-09-15, 12:09
Have you tried Latvia? Lithuania? Belarus? Hungary? Slovakia? Poland? Estonia? Iceland was supposedly a paradise 5 years ago, but I did not make it. Even Finland, but in Finland it is not for your money. They are very open minded and do not dress so sexy, but once naked, look the same.I had Lithuania period and then Poland period. Visit most of the country in east.
Kiev for me is unique. Now is more difficult, but I think mostly is due to my attitude frost week when I arrive from my country.
It's like a football player who can't deliver first matches but who he got trained well he plays better.
Probably as per day success I had much more success in Poland, but Kiev for me is something unique. The attitude of girl, the level of beauty. It's like a drug with good and bad.
The level of beauty in Kiev is not comparable with Scandinavian country. Never been to Finland but doubt they are same level aesthetically.
LuisVega11
10-09-15, 12:13
Have you tried Latvia? Lithuania? Belarus? Hungary? Slovakia? Poland? Estonia? Iceland was supposedly a paradise 5 years ago, but I did not make it. Even Finland, but in Finland it is not for your money. They are very open minded and do not dress so sexy, but once naked, look the same.Latvia= most of girl hates foreigners, really hates. And Latvia men hates too.
Lithuania= better than Latvia. Used to love Vilnius and Kaunas but difficult to score than Kiev.
Belarus= why go there if I can go Kiev without visa? People less open minded, English speaking girl less than Kiev, attitude more Russian than Ukrainian style. I will visit anyway like Moscow this year.
Hungary= level much lower than Kiev. Good place but not so friendly people, man especially and girl difficult.
Slovakia= never been.
Poland= love Polish people. I will be back sure. Level beauty much lower than Ukraine. But less materialistic attitude.
Estonia= Europe now.
AColonizer
10-09-15, 14:14
Do you mean you got swallow blowjobs?
Salon Dolly is behind the Golden Gate, not really behind the Opera.
But IMHO Salon Dolly has been dead for a few years now.
7 years ago it was one of the top reasons to go to Kiev.
Have you tried Latvia? Lithuania? Belarus? Hungary? Slovakia? Poland? Estonia? Iceland was supposedly a paradise 5 years ago, but I did not make it. Even Finland, but in Finland it is not for your money. They are very open minded and do not dress so sexy, but once naked, look the same.I spent 20 years in my 38 age life in Russia and Ukraine. My mother is an ethnic Russian, father Pole. But the differences between Western and post-Soviet Slavic women really really big. Many Western men is hard to understand. They're just beings from another planet. Western man think-this Natasha from Kiev, she is so cool, beautiful. And I'm just a teacher at the college in a small Finnish town. Western man lives in a structured and caste society, and beautiful women know their value. Does this mean that a simple Italian plumber and man-builder can not fuck the beautiful Italian girl? Naturally, it can fuck. Why not. But on the whole society is structured- beautiful (Western) girls for successful (Western) men, . Ukrainian society is not so much structured. There is chaos, it's eclectic. I knew in 1996-97 a blond girl, very beautiful, 20 age, from Kharkov, she was fucking with very very rich people, corrupt officials have tens of millions of dollars, but she was madly in love with my friend. He worked for a bad guy for $ 300 a month. It was a lot of money back then. Haha. A country of paradoxes.
Sometimes I do not understand it. Despite the fact that mentally I stayed Russian and Ukrainian, not Polen. Poland has become very Westernized, very pragmatic. The man has no value there such as Ukraine or Russia. He is not entitled to raise a hand against a woman. He must give her all his property. He has to endure her infidelity. We in Poland are now many want to find a wife in Ukraine.
Many have mistresses in Ukraine. (Near Polish border).
After Ukraine and Russia I'm it was very difficult to get used to the new realities. But the most important difference in the West-it's the law, LAW its all. Law its great power. Is the power of West.
But be careful, guys. In Kharkov (this 1,5 mln. Town my favorite students,pussy land, in recent years a lot in nightclubs drunk students -Arabs from Syria, Jordan, Egypt. This its no great problem, but In some clubs a lot of them. Especially in inexpensive clubs for students near students hostels in Akademgorodok. These guys almost do not go to school. They just get paid money professors for evaluation. Not so long ago my old friend told me a story about how these Arabs, students, staged a drunken brawl and fight in club and later hit a bottle on the head of the police. Bottle smashed and slashed his skin. These guys \ cops were furious after these Arabs were released after 3 days! They can kill this guy, It was a sea of blood. This attempt on the life of police. Peoples say that they (Arabs) have given a bribe of several thousand dollars. Monstrous corruption in Ukraine.
In addition, many nice women 30-40 age and girls 18-25 ages from the province even in the capital (Kiev) can not find a normal job. Yes, in Kiev many job. But what kind of work? Money that she took out of the house very quickly come to an end in Kiev.
It remains several options-
1) Three girls rented an apartment. It's a nightmare but many live for 1-2 years. (they hope to find a good job or Kiev Man-husband).
2) beautiful girl can find a good office or secretary job in Kiev, but 95 percent probability that it will be forced to suck dick. And she will need to show your boss oral art. But some of them are successful and receive gifts-luxury car, coats and even apartments in center Kiev. (Rich in Ukraine sometimes like showy gestures and actions -yes, I m I'm cool boy! I'm bought his mistress apartment! But the problem is that a lot of competition among the girls.
It is a matter of luck and only of luck. Why in Ukraine is popular sex with Americans and Europeans? Of course, money. Yes, but as they are respectful to women. This sex-money is safe. She does not risk its reputation. Ukrainian wealthy and rich guy likes to tell everyone -Friday I fucked this beautiful blonde in the my sauna. Oh my God, it sucks, its devil. I came in her mouth, I give her 100 USD and I told her that I could be a regular sponsor haha.
But if the girl lives in a town like Sumy and Poltava (270-300 000 peoples)? Risk its reputation. Why it is needed? Of course, better to fuck with Americans.
InsomniacTales
10-10-15, 08:03
I'm still intrigued though. What are peoples recent experiences with private dances and erotic massages at the strip clubs. What do you get and how far can you go, what's allowed? Do they have CCTV running in the booths and back rooms? I'd read that clubs get shut down if they're found actually selling sex on site and I guess that goes for BJJ's too. Or does it?
Totally agree! It's so hard to get in contact with the natural and normal girls if you don't speak Russian! I only speak some words and they like it but it's always the same: If I see a girl I like, she almost never speaks English! Only the spoiled Sukaswith Iphone and Prada speak English and those I don't want. Haha. When I meet nice girls who speak at least some good English they always tell me: learn Russian and you will find so many nice girls here.
In terms of Dolls, I have been there a couple of times and it was always empty! Just about 10 girls and not really good ones. And yes, it's way to dark inside there. I never do Private Dances and never invite girls for drinks at Rio. So you save a lot of money. 200 Griwna entrance and 7 Euro for a Rum Cola is not too much to see about 60-80 girls you can choose from. Next time you come to Kiev try Rio. When you enter ask for the lower basement area. For me it's the best one. Normally the new girls have to start dancing in the basement and those are the ones I like. VIP area for my taste is not good as so many chubby girls. Always good to give the manager 100 Griwna (only if Rio is crowded!) so he will take about you and don't ignore you.
But as the other ISD fellow wrote, check the girl at your table from face to face because it's dark in those clubs! I always add to the "walk of shame" (from Lobby to elevator) the "walk of truth"! The walk of truth is when you enter a 5 star Hotel elevator which has bright light! I remember a girl from Dubai who looked so gorgeous in the club but in the elevator I noticed she was full of acne and pimples.
NightOwl69
10-11-15, 10:33
private dances and erotic massages at the strip clubs. What do you get and how far can you go, what's allowed? Do they have CCTV My experience in Kiev is only at club Rio, so there is no massage here. As for the dance there are rules of sort, greenly speaking you can touch the girl everywhere except down under. That is been said, some girls break the rules and do much more that is not included in the menu (you can PM for details and names if you wish), so I guess it depends on the girl and you, some girls I was told they are really cold and unfriendly I found them to be the opposite. If the girl like you I guess she will do more. Some other girls get strict with the rules even when you had her at your apparent before and she knows she is going back with you after the dance still follow the rules. You can fuck her half an hour later but you can't kiss during the dance. Go figure.
Cheers.
Hi there!
I am going to Kiev in autumn, any advice for me? I was never there before and I am not sure where I should search for hotel / apartment? What is the best area? So not only for P6, but also for mongering in general, so bars and clubs? What is the situation currently? Where and how can one get to know the women in Kiev? And one stupid simple question: How do I get from the airport to the city center? I arrive at the airport which is quite far away and I do not want to be a victim of taxi driver rip off. So any advice? Public transportation, is this an option?
Thanks a lot for the help!1. You can use the Skybus from Borispol to the center. Airport to Train station = 60 UAH and Airport to Metro Kharkivska = 35 UAH. I prefer to go to the Metro Kharkivska station. You avoid the traffic jam in the city and if you stay in the Baseina / Krechatich area it's more easy to get there by Metro. The Metro is 4 UAH for 1 jeton.
2. If you have no experience with apartments, it's better if you use an agency like partnerguesthouse.com . They are a little bit more expensive, but they offer a good service and are 100% reliable.
3. The good places (bars, clubs) are spread over the city. Some are located in the Khrechatik area, some are in Podil. You can use the Metro to go there. To avoid taxi rip off = Buy a SIM card from the ukraine (LIFE for example) + don't use any taxi that you can pick up on the street. Most local taxi firms (for example 579) offer a call back service. You dial the short number. Finish the call. They call back. English is no problem. Later they will send you a message with the information about the taxi and the price.
I don't do private dances at strip clubs. 400 griwna for 2 songs is just too much money. I was told they don't do anything in the back rooms but dancing and rubbing on you but with clothes on. They do topless and sometimes you can have a watch to the pussy. For the same money (400 Griwna) you get 1 hour massage at Salon Dolly with happy ending (handjob or with tits). You can touch the girl everywhere but gentle. Never had more at the salons but had some experiences if they come to your apartment. One did a blow job and one of my wing mans got even a fuck.
I'm still intrigued though. What are peoples recent experiences with private dances and erotic massages at the strip clubs. What do you get and how far can you go, what's allowed? Do they have CCTV running in the booths and back rooms? I'd read that clubs get shut down if they're found actually selling sex on site and I guess that goes for BJJ's too. Or does it?
Member #4491
10-11-15, 22:27
Thanks Kirsh and Sorbonne.
Kirsh I am also into slim girls. I love almost all types. Variation.
Tomek123, interesting to read your viewpoint.
Thanks mate!
Do you mean you got swallow blowjobs?I did get a lot of extra stuff usually not included in their "kiss massage" service, if not swallow blowjobs.
But what I meant was that at one point about 7 years ago, when Salon Dolly was still under the management of its founder from Italy, most girls there were so young as 18 and so pretty, and it was all for about 40 USD.
You are from Italy, right? Did you know him?
YellowDick
10-13-15, 21:46
Hi all,
First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!
Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.
I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?
Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.
Thanks!
NightOwl69
10-14-15, 10:00
I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?
Your best bet is gia. La (you might find some 8 or 9 there), they have been tried by many here and photos reflect the actual girls but photoshopped. Also there is http://en.vipmolly.com/ I think they are new and I haven't seen any review about them, so photos might be accurate or not.
Both will charge 150 $ too 300 $ per hour overnight my be over 1000 $.
Cheers.
I would not recommend Gia for that! Photos are ALL Over-photoshopped! There was Sofia at Gia last week, she was a Model but like always she is gone already. At Rio it's hard to find a 9 or 10 who is willing to go with you to your hotel. And my experience is that the most beautiful girls don't speak English. I guess you should go on a weekend to Deluxe, SkyBar or Buddha Bar and look out there for something. But don't use escort web pages.
Hi all,
First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!
Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.
I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?
Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.
Thanks!
YellowDick
10-14-15, 14:09
Can I negotiate prices with them if I were to get the girl for several hours? Anyone else tried vipmolly? Couple of the girls look like between 8-9.
Hi all,
First time in Kiev and my GF is leaving this Saturday and I have a 4-5 nights to roam free!
Don't know much (noob) and I don't want to disrupt the market here and I'm crunched for time so I don't have much time to be "due diligencing" various platforms;.
I just want highest probability of super high quality given that I have the ability to pay 5,000 uah - 15,000 uah for overnight if needed as long as it's a 9 or above. Supermodel body / model face quality - (my GF is a model and so no point slaying out 6's. What would be you guys' recommendations?
Also down to meet up for drinks with anyone knowledgeable about the are and can show me the do and don't here.
Thanks!
I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.
Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).
The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.
When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.
So, aside from the question if it's smart to date a stripper, is this a common thing in Kiev? I know I spend a reasonable amount of money per night in the club, around 12 k UAH, half on girls other half on drinks. (I spend this 12 k with 1 friend, but I pay for it as it's more convenient as fiddling with receipts when kinda drunk sucks). I go twice per visit (been there 5 times now).
It could be just that she's doing it to make sure I won't spend my money anywhere else. She could be hoping for a sponsor. She could be genuine. Question is, someone else having experienced this and do you want to share that experience on what it led to?
CastOnThis
10-16-15, 22:54
I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.
Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).
The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.
When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.Just enjoy the sex. I've had three GFs that were strippers. They might not cost as much money as time passes, but will be a big headache. Also most of them wanted to get out of Ukraine and I.
Was not going to be that sucker.
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Castonthis
Just enjoy the sex. I've had three GFs that were strippers. They might not cost as much money as time passes, but will be a big headache. Also most of them wanted to get out of Ukraine and I.
Was not going to be that sucker.I've set to myself that the moment she asks money for rent, family, want to get out of Ukraine, it's done for me. I also find is going to give too much headache.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
LuisVega11
12000 gryvne in night at night in Kiev?
Are you serious?
Just for see some dance get drug and some prive? I know there are at least one million way to spend this money in Kiev. With 12000 graven probably you fuck 10 top model in Kiev.
She will take out of your pocket 10000000 gryvne. She saw you full of cash the gold cow and want just milk. No interest in you. Only cash. Well if I pay the total bill of 2 x having sex which is 8 k already, it leaves 4 k for drinks. Bottle of whiskey, some drinks for the girls, some dances and you are already on 12 k.
Note that this is with 2 persons, but yes, still it's 12 k.
This money does buy me a complete night of fun for a whole experience chatting, drinking, fucking and just plane having fun whole evening / night. And not only having a "quick" fuck with a top 10 model (although I am a bit stunned that top 10 models go for 1200 UAH, so maybe I should look into this as well, any links are appreciated).
Also, the cash cow stuff, I already set the bar as I told above. I don't want her to stop with her work. If she keeps on working, she doesn't need extra money from me as she's coped very well for herself until now. Sure, presents now and then are OK for me, as you'd give these things to a GF, but she also shouldn't expect that I'd fill her hand with rings.
InsomniacTales
10-17-15, 08:06
Didn't know you could have sex in the clubs. Was it during the massage? How much did it cost? Interested to hear your take on the various clubs and their extras. As for dating strippers, it's quite common in Europe but in London most dancers are just that, dancers. I'd say it will probably be fun for a few goes and you may get some good but pricey sex but I've never heard of a relationship with one that lasts or that didn't end badly. She's probably looking for cash and gifts and an exit abroad so if she's done this job for a few months then you aren't the first or last paying customer she's seeing outside the club so I'd advise you not to get serious. Also, having been ripped off in these clubs before myself I can tell you that 12 k is OK as a one off experience but it's an absolute fortune to blow regularly for drinks etc and I'm sure if you read these threads you can get a hell of a lot more elsewhere in town for your cash. And the time you probably took to spend it!
I've been to most strip clubs now in Kiev and some I visit multiple times. I'm particular fond of one girl that I got multiple lap dances and had sex with in a room in the club the previous times I visited.
Last time I was with her, I payed again for having sex, but I was tired out of my mind, so in stead I opted to just massage her. After that, she gave me her number and told she would miss me and wait for me (the usual bla bla those girls give you).
The morning after she texted me she wanted to say goodbye over coffee. Unfortunately I could not make it.
When I got home, she texted me she's waiting for me and wants to spend more time with me when I'm back, go out for dinner etc.
So, aside from the question if it's smart to date a stripper, is this a common thing in Kiev? I know I spend a reasonable amount of money per night in the club, around 12 k UAH, half on girls other half on drinks. (I spend this 12 k with 1 friend, but I pay for it as it's more convenient as fiddling with receipts when kinda drunk sucks). I go twice per visit (been there 5 times now).
It could be just that she's doing it to make sure I won't spend my money anywhere else. She could be hoping for a sponsor. She could be genuine. Question is, someone else having experienced this and do you want to share that experience on what it led to?
AColonizer
10-17-15, 13:55
I phoned him but I never met him. I met her fiancee Olga. I say, I never got some extras from Italians abroad.
I repeat the same story about "massage salons" and "strip-tease clubs": in the recent past, they were alternative forms of brothels. I saw, in 2008, sex inside massage salons and strip-tease clubs was easy for Ukrainian men: just asking. About today, I don't think they have changed a lot for Slavic customers. Instead it has become harder for not-Russian-speaking people and only if paying 10 times more than a prostitute in our countries of origin. However, you know, there are some and few men able to get everything by a regular girl for free (or almost).
I say, I saw the social situation is very bad in Ukraine and also girls' attitude are changing in bad. Therefore, no surprise, if frauds are increasing. It is a pity, I never went to Ukraine just for sex!
I did get a lot of extra stuff usually not included in their "kiss massage" service, if not swallow blowjobs.
But what I meant was that at one point about 7 years ago, when Salon Dolly was still under the management of its founder from Italy, most girls there were so young as 18 and so pretty, and it was all for about 40 USD.
You are from Italy, right? Did you know him?
12000 gryvne in night at night in Kiev?
Are you serious?
Just for see some dance get drug and some prive? I know there are at least one million way to spend this money in Kiev. With 12000 graven probably you fuck 10 top model in Kiev.
She will take out of your pocket 10000000 gryvne. She saw you full of cash the gold cow and want just milk. No interest in you. Only cash.12000 gryvne is really not a lot of money, less than €500.
You can easily blow that much in a bar or disco picking up a beauty and stuff.
I usually have a couple of hundred thousands of grivne with me. (LOL) It sounds like a lot but it's not much in terms of €.
I carried it around with me even into clubs and other places like it. I know it's not the best idea but beats leaving in a hotel.
Ukrainian girls have a way to part you with your cash. :)
The more attractive they are, the faster the way they have part you with your cash.
InsomniacTales
Didn't know you could have sex in the clubs. Was it during the massage? How much did it cost? Interested to hear your take on the various clubs and their extrasI saw in previous posts you went to Dolls and Penthouse. Both have a "Romantic Date" option which basically means having sex with the girl. In the Penthouse opposite of the private dance rooms, there are rooms with large beds in them where you can have your "romantic date". You can also take a girl to your hotel.
For Dolls, I'm not sure if they have separate rooms where you can have sex. If the girl comes with you to the hotel, you get a bottle of Champagne with you to make it all appear "more legal". Costs are around 4000 gryvne for 40 minutes to 5000 for 3 hours. Prices went a little bit up since a couple of months in both clubs.
What I mostly do is I take a private lapdance from a girl I like, depending on the lapdance I decide to have sex with her or not. It could be that during the lapdance she propes to have sex during "romantic date" , or afterwards during drinks you can bring it up that you'd like to have sex with her.
I do read that this isn't normal practise anymore in strip-clubs to have / get sex, but it never failed me. It could be because I speak a couple of words Russian (words, not complete sentences) that maybe get me the "entrance to sex" as AColonizer today said in the previous reply. Or it could be because I order a bottle of Whiskey and Vodka when I enter the club so they hope giving sex will keep me longer in the club, hence more money spend also on the bar.
The massage thing I was talking about in my earlier post, we went there to have sex, I started to massage her, but thought, meh, too tired. Money thrown away? Well yes, but still, she has a drop dead gorgeous body I could relax message during a nice chat, so the laid back GFE was kinda nice (and was strengthened by the fact I knew her (had sex some months ago with her)).
Concerning extra's:
During lap dances it depends on the girl really. In all strip clubs they got all naked, except one time in dolls where a girl kept her panty on. Almost all of the girls make out during the lapdance and sex. I haven't asked any of them concerning BJ or other extra's. I just want to have sex with a young, attractive girl after having bonded with her at the bar.
I'm traveling in a month again to Kiev, I'll ask the girl I tend to go to every time now about extra's and report back on the current situation.
She's probably looking for cash and gifts and an exit abroad so if she's done this job for a few months then you aren't the first or last paying customer she's seeing outside the club so I'd advise you not to get serious.I don't mind buying her gifts or giving cash, because it means I won't spend it in the strip club and I'll get an even better GFE out of it (having drinks and something to eat outside a stripclub). Exit abroad is a big no-no though.
Also, having been ripped off in these clubs before myself I can tell you that 12 k is OK as a one off experience but it's an absolute fortune to blow regularly for drinks etc and I'm sure if you read these threads you can get a hell of a lot more elsewhere in town for your cash. And the time you probably took to spend it!Fair enough, but again, for less then 500 euro, I don't do the Mamba / escort photoshop gamble, I'm certain how the girl looks, how she presents herself (lapdance), and having a +6 hours GFE with her with sex and drinks (and / or together with other girls). IMHO it's not that bad of a deal But then again, if it is, I'd like to hear how to get sex+GFE+multiple hours for less.
LuisVega11
10-17-15, 23:31
Castonthis
I've set to myself that the moment she asks money for rent, family, want to get out of Ukraine, it's done for me. I also find is going to give too much headache.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
LuisVega11
Well if I pay the total bill of 2 x having sex which is 8 k already, it leaves 4 k for drinks. Bottle of whiskey, some drinks for the girls, some dances and you are already on 12 k.
Note that this is with 2 persons, but yes, still it's 12 k.
This money does buy me a complete night of fun for a whole experience chatting, drinking, fucking and just plane having fun whole evening / night. And not only having a "quick" fuck with a top 10 model (although I am a bit stunned that top 10 models go for 1200 UAH, so maybe I should look into this as well, any links are appreciated).
Also, the cash cow stuff, I already set the bar as I told above. I don't want her to stop with her work. If she keeps on working, she doesn't need extra money from me as she's coped very well for herself until now. Sure, presents now and then are OK for me, as you'd give these things to a GF, but she also shouldn't expect that I'd fill her hand with rings.I understood 12000 only for fun not having sex. It can be. Still lot of money in Kiev. 200 dollar you can easily fuck a super girl if you know where to pick them. Clearly in man's club you pay a lot more. This time in Kiev there are not many girl who say no to 200 dollar.
Wow, what happened.
I gave positive reports on this place after it opened and I've visited often. Always had really friendly greeting and a lot of great girls there.
Waitresses were always depressed though.
But now. Girls are all packing on some extra pounds.
The club was packed. I thought this country was losing a war vs. Russia? Everyone is out spending money.
And everyone was smoking. It was disgusting. So they seem to be making enough money to throw the bribes out I guess. I felt sick breathing the smoke.
First time ever I wasn't allowed to sit at a table. I was put at the bar, behind a mirror, nothing to see but some other guys sitting at the bar. Eventually 3 tables cleared and I asked to sit at a table.
Waitress who looked suicidal said she'd ask her manager, "In case someone else wants it. ".
She did nothing. So I went to the hostess after and asked. She had a long discussion with the manager. What happened to the happy smiling manager who walked out of the bar with me and helped me hail a taxi?
Now it's scowling mafia manager in there. After the long conference about me sitting at a table, hostess comes back and says I have to put down a 3,000 UAH deposit in order to sit there.
Typical Ukrainian business model. Get a bit popular and put the screws to the customers. They'd rather have a table empty and a customer going home than a customer going to the table and spending money. If they'd just have let me sit down I'd probably have spent that much, I told the waitress I wanted to sit to order some food and would have brought a girl over and had the normal good time.
But I just said screw it and left. What's the point. The experience in Moscow is way better than this. Very sad as this used to be a good club and I was happy to spread the good word.
As usual, success kills.
Don't go here. Go do something else.
So, aside from the question if it's smart to date a stripper, is this a common thing in Kiev? I know I spend a reasonable amount of money per night in the club, around 12 k UAH, half on girls other half on drinks. (I spend this 12 k with 1 friend, but I pay for it as it's more convenient as fiddling with receipts when kinda drunk sucks). I go twice per visit (been there 5 times now).What can we get in Berlin for nearly 500 Euros in Artemis for example? (I could have chosen another FKK in Germany, it would have been even perhaps cheaper) I think nearly everyone knows the broad choice and the quality you can get in Artemis. So in Artemis with the 80 Euros Entrance, you will be able to fuck 6 times = 440 Euros. 6 Fucks of 30 minutes time each. Don't you think you have been totally ripped off? You even have no sex for 12000 UAH.
Maybe you enjoy giving money and getting nothing.
YellowDick
10-18-15, 09:28
OK first time in Kiev.
Staying at premier palace hotel.
Last night checked out the "cabaret" strip club inside hotel on 8th floor called paradise.
Background. There needs to be calibration on this forum BC people view of what is 9/10 vs 7/8 is different person to person.
I am attempting to provide that this week.
Background: I date and have friends with mostly models from NYC or LOS Angeles from top 5 modeling agencies. Not escorts but models who do fashion shows (New York, Paris, Tokyo) or go on magazines and shopping companies' website like GAP or banana republic in US (usually never get to make it on cover of big time magazines) and on Instagram have 1,000's of followers with many men saying they're the most beautiful girl in the world and those models. I think they are 8-9's just to give you guys a baseline range. Supermodels I think are 10's.
Now at paradise last night I only saw like 7 girls. Almost 6 of 7 had 7.5-8. 5 body. 5 out of 7 had 6 face. Pretty by any standard and you can cum on it but not like close up Instagram you would say wow she is beautiful.
I found 2 girls that were like model 9 body but maybe one or two inch shorter without stripper heels. Looked 5' 6" of 5'7" most models need to be right around 5' 9" 5'10.
So I played a game with one I believed was the hottest. Dropped about 150 $ = 3000 uah trying to stay firm as some of you stated that it's near impossible / never seen a girl been taken out here at this place.
I talked to her for about 3 hours with champagne + private dances blah blah blah. Only about one hour in. After spending about 75 $ I asked if she wanted to go down to my room for some fun and she said YES she would love to! And she admitted later on that she has done this about 7 times in the 6 months she worked. So a little over 1 x a month with someone she really likes and is attracted to and says no for takeout 90% of the time. (I'm guessing she is lying on the conservative side so let's say her number is 21 x. Or 3 x more). She works there 6 days a week). That's still pretty high rejection rate.
Anyway. Problems arose. Asking price 15000 uah. Good thing I joined and perused the site before heading out!
To me price isn't the problem but I just don't want to a) FK up the market standards and b) I hate overpaying a super premium for anything. I tried hard to negotiate down to 1000 then 12000 uah. She wouldn't budge at all! But she still likes me and wanted to still talk to me for another few hours.
In my mind I actually weirdly liked that she didn't budge and trust me my job: career is strategist and negotiating with some of the smartest financiers in the world so at the minimum I'm OK at negotiating.
So then I was like OK it's 1 am and she is hot about as hot as my girlfriend maybe 20% better ass. So then I said OK 15000 uah OK but you have to stay until 6 am not 2-3 hours. Also I want anal and blowjob Bc I cum hard when I finish in your mouth.
She said she loves anal and all oral but too intimate for her- only with boyfriends and wouldn't budge. Next two hours I tried to play various games. Like one time I offered her I said "hey look I know the club takes 50 percent so if I give you 15000 uah then you only get 7500. How about you spend 4 hours with me tomorrow and Monday and Tuesday each day. I'll give you 2000 usd in your hand and no one has to know at the club. But strictly I need min BJ and sex and last night BJ sex and anal and Oral. If not you will give me back 300 $. So 1700 usd or 2000 usd. You choose for 12 hours of work over 3 days. And I know avg salary here 8 is 300 $ a month so you can take 4-6 months off from work!
She still said sorry I would love to and I like you but only classic sex. We can have sex 3-5 times a night and she says she loves sex and can cum sex anal sex oral sex and can have sex all night but only classic safe sex at work patrons. Rest only for real relationships.
Then after 3 hours she still said lets go down to your hotel it'll still be a lot of fun. I got up and left. Told her I'm going to spend 7500 on some room service while I wait and spend 7500 on a girl that looks just like her who would do everything. And left.
InsomniacTales
10-18-15, 10:04
Confirmed my opinion precisely about Dolls, specially about the poor standard of the girls. You can see how rough they are when you catch them smoking outside. Heavy, tatties, piercings and wouldn't warrant even a glance in a normal bar or nightclub, the pushiness to the point of scamming, overpriced cocktails and the unbelievably grumpy waitresses. Actually quite a miserable and expensive experience for me as I said. Thank you! You made me feel a bit better since I thought it was just me. I think Rio and the newer ones are worth a try on a next trip. A new one called 007 in Podol and somewhere off Kreshatyk called Flirt. I will check out Solid in Arena too and a place called Kalyan off Arena.
Wow, what happened.
I gave positive reports on this place after it opened and I've visited often. Always had really friendly greeting and a lot of great girls there.
Waitresses were always depressed though.
But now. Girls are all packing on some extra pounds.
The club was packed. I thought this country was losing a war vs. Russia? Everyone is out spending money.
And everyone was smoking. It was disgusting. So they seem to be making enough money to throw the bribes out I guess. I felt sick breathing the smoke.
First time ever I wasn't allowed to sit at a table. I was put at the bar, behind a mirror, nothing to see but some other guys sitting at the bar. Eventually 3 tables cleared and I asked to sit at a table.
Waitress who looked suicidal said she'd ask her manager, "In case someone else wants it. "..
AColonizer
10-18-15, 13:01
Just for your information, if you are Italian, 500 euros are too much for Italy too: I say, a real *monger could get a stunning young girl for a week-end or two stunning girls for half day in Italy too.
The real problem is that real *mongers are dying out in the Western world and Italian men think sex is just a penis into a vagina, better with a condom. In all over the world, people recognize Italian men are the unluckiest men in the world forced to marry the most commercial women in the world: de facto, Italian law considers children as a Catholic wives' property.
Therefore, no surprise, if any prostitute in Italy is fierce and asking 100 euros per hour to the wretched Italian men.
12000 gryvne is really not a lot of money, less than 500.
You can easily blow that much in a bar or disco picking up a beauty and stuff.
I usually have a couple of hundred thousands of grivne with me. (LOL) It sounds like a lot but it's not much in terms of .
I carried it around with me even into clubs and other places like it. I know it's not the best idea but beats leaving in a hotel.
Ukrainian girls have a way to part you with your cash. :)
The more attractive they are, the faster the way they have part you with your cash.
I visited 007. Very small club, small number of girls working but a couple of good looking ones. I don't think take out is on the menu here. Club was full too, surprisingly, though small.
All local guys.
Nice to be able to sit down and see something other than myself in a mirror though.
BTW YellowDick that girl at Paradise is just afraid to lose her job. So she is sticking to the company line. Some of them are really scared that someone else will find out and then they're out on their butt.
As for the extras you were asking for, the girl was not interested but she wasn't prepared to tell you no, by doing it how she did she holds out the carrot and thinks maybe she can string you along.
Eastern Europe is over. Shitty culture with few girls interested in foreigners.
If European, focus at home. If American, go South.
I understand why in Kiev every girl is asking lot of money nowadays. These man don't know nothing. They just pour money, most of the time cause they work and can cover this expenses as work expenses. And pay pay pay. And they think in Doll's or Rio there are super model. They not even know what can buy you 500 dollar. Really I'm embarrassed for all those American who come in Kiev ripped off on and on. Repeat most of those ripped off are American in Kiev. Especially old.I don't think foreigners overpaying is the sole reason that the prices went up. I've been visiting Kiev for some years now and although only visiting stripclubs (I don't want to hassle with the Mamba "gamble", so my experience only applies to clubs), I've seen the prices fluctuate quite a bit.
Yes, the last year the prices went up considerably, but do remember that because the country is at war and the economy isn't doing that great, the differences between poor and rich get bigger and bigger.
The stripclubs are becoming not emptier, but attract even more people and most of them aren't westerners, but rich people from Ukraine themselves. I don't see that much foreigners anymore.
I got in a talk with one guy and he told me that because of the war, many people from the east and south moved to Kiev, including rich people.
Did you see around Ocean Plaza, all those multiple new luxurious apartments they are building? The prices per m2 is almost on par with Western prices.
And it's all because residency is in high need at the moment. Money is flowing in Kiev and all those new rich people who settled in Kiev? They want entertainment as well.
One could say that those guys are used to paying much less at a stripclub outside Kiev where they came from, and whilst this is true, do remember the Eastern European mentality. They are from "outside" Kiev, so as they normally like to show off, this is an even extra stimulant.
InsomniacTales
10-19-15, 09:13
Wishing you luck with it. Interested in hearing your updates on the clubs and your date. My limited experience of dating strippers elsewhere is it's a mindfuck and I think that applies to even the sweetest and newest ones. And they will lie and act and manipulate like no other. That's their default position and that's their job after all. So be careful! As for private massage rooms in the back in these clubs in Kiev, yes they have them in Dolls and I described my very negative rip off experience in one a few posts back.
InsomniacTales
I saw in previous posts you went to Dolls and Penthouse. Both have a "Romantic Date" option which basically means having sex with the girl. In the Penthouse opposite of the private dance rooms, there are rooms with large beds in them where you can have your "romantic date". You can also take a girl to your hotel.
For Dolls, I'm not sure if they have separate rooms where you can have sex. If the girl comes with you to the hotel, you get a bottle of Champagne with you to make it all appear "more legal". Costs are around 4000 gryvne for 40 minutes to 5000 for 3 hours. Prices went a little bit up since a couple of months in both clubs.
What I mostly do is I take a private lapdance from a girl I like, depending on the lapdance I decide to have sex with her or not. It could be that during the lapdance she propes to have sex during "romantic date" , or afterwards during drinks you can bring it up that you'd like to have sex with her.
I do read that this isn't normal practise anymore in strip-clubs to have / get sex, but it never failed me. It could be because I speak a couple of words Russian (words, not complete sentences) that maybe get me the "entrance to sex" as AColonizer today said in the previous reply. Or it could be because I order a bottle of Whiskey and Vodka when I enter the club so they hope giving sex will keep me longer in the club, hence more money spend also on the bar..
The stripclubs are becoming not emptier, but attract even more people and most of them aren't westerners, but rich people from Ukraine themselves. I don't see that much foreigners anymore.This makes complete sense. Eastern European dudes are on the hunt for profit generating poon. Too bad it has nothing to do with an improving mongering scene.
I am on a three weeks trip to Kiev. Was short notice so didn't have time to do much research. Asking for help finding a reliable agency or a lady that speaks English as my Russian is very rusty.
Tried most of the agency's listed here as well as several I found online and Backpage. I know BP is a gamble. None of the ladies that claimed the spoke English did. Also wanted contact via Viber or WhatsApp and I only have a crappy SMS phone. Not looking for hours of entertainment, just an hour or two with a reliable girls. Preferably one that does anal.
Would appreciate any help.
Thanks.
I saw a couple of American-gangster dressed black dudes on Maidan in the company of a couple of extra high heeled done up Ukrainian girls yesterday around 1 am. I was thinking. Naw you're kidding me you guys can't be pimpin here. I've seen these guys hanging around Kreschatik a few times. Hope it's just some fashion choice because this is not a good thing. Will check to see if they're in the same spot today.
I never really understood the whole hanging around on the street at 1 am thing on a Tuesday night thing anyway.
I saw a couple of American-gangster dressed black dudes on Maidan in the company of a couple of extra high heeled done up Ukrainian girls yesterday around 1 am. I was thinking. Naw you're kidding me you guys can't be pimpin here. I've seen these guys hanging around Kreschatik a few times. Hope it's just some fashion choice because this is not a good thing. Will check to see if they're in the same spot today.
I never really understood the whole hanging around on the street at 1 am thing on a Tuesday night thing anyway.Probably not a good scenario. If they have moved in I'm suprised the Ukrainians allow. And I agree with you. Generally nothing good happens from hanging out on street corners at 1 am.
Was finally able to download Viber on my tablet and make contact with a few girls. Once supposed to show up in another 30 minutes. Will let you know how it goes.
I saw a couple of American-gangster dressed black dudes on Maidan in the company of a couple of extra high heeled done up Ukrainian girls yesterday around 1 am. I was thinking. Naw you're kidding me you guys can't be pimpin here. I've seen these guys hanging around Kreschatik a few times. Hope it's just some fashion choice because this is not a good thing.Contractor trash. Anywhere US military pollutes a place, what can you expect.
I've been dating a regular woman here in Kyiv so I've been out of the sponsoring game for a while. I recently decided not to date her anymore and thought I'the try a few different sites online to meet a young woman to sponsor and have fun with for a while. One university student I started speaking with seemed promising but I thought her photos were fake so I demanded a meeting at a coffee shop before I was willing to talk details. We met and she was terrific. Very young, pretty with a slim figure and impressive ass and cleavage. She could not have been more friendly and enjoyable to talk to. I thought I'the hit a home run as we both seem to be looking for the same thing. That was until we got into details.
I offered her 100 USD per meeting at 2-3 times a week, feeling confident she'the say yes. To my surprise she declined and countered at 500 USD a meeting. Yes, you read that correctly. 500 per meeting. What shocked me was how nonchalant she was about it. Apparently she'the been spending time with a man my age (late thirties) from Western Europe who'the completely spoiled her. I told her as much but she was adamant 100 USD was not enough. Even after a few long viber conversations, I was only able to reduce her to 200 USD a meeting, which I still will not pay. Ridiculous. She reminded me that she has plenty of men offering her sponsorship, which I believe as she really is appealing.
So, clearly I won't be meeting with her and will begin searching for someone else. I have a lot of former contacts here since I've been living in Kyiv on and off for nearly two years. However, I will keep hammering away at her hoping I can get her down to my offer. Needless to say I am appalled at how spoiled some of the girls here have become.
Now. I thought some of the negative reports earlier on were just guys kind of protecting their territory. Like finding a gold mine and then planting rumors of ghosts. Don't come here it's haunted! Well I found out that Dolls got bad. It didn't really register though that things have changed here. And it's settling in now. Things have changed.
I did a quick trifecta of failure on the infamous Kiev Wednesday night.
Tried the new strip club "Flirt House".
Pros: Fairly large size club with a lot of seating.
Cons: pay money to watch cows dance.
I was the only one there and I lasted for one drink. I should have just turned and ran. Unbelievable that they would attempt this in downtown Kiev within a golf shot of 3 other established strip clubs. The girls were horrifying. This is not even by Kiev standards, this is like by backwoods Arkansas standards or the middle of the jungle in an undiscovered African tribe standards. Had WiFi that didn't work. Ordered whiskey, they didn't have it. There is nothing so bad as when an 80 kilo girl comes off the stage and tries to cosy up to you with her coffee and cigarette breath and says, "want private dance?" I called it a reverse strip club, a place where you pay the girls to put their clothes on.
From there to Solid Gold. Normally to go there on a Wednesday means you would be the only one there. About 8 guys which makes a busy night. Girls not bad, but the stunners who used to be there are gone. Just one heifer who had no place on a stage. She did some rubbing thing with her tits and I shuddered. I actually shuddered in revulsion. The last time I did that I think it was watching 2 girls1 cup.
People smoking in this club, the girls smoking and drinking coffee, someone has to tell them not to do this (it's not going to be me) because it's revolting when they lean in and try to talk to you. "Where are you from?" . "I'm from the Proctor and Gamble company and I'm here to sell some personal hygiene products!
On the way out, I got accosted for "security tip. " Never happened before. Guy kept pressing me, "Security tip, Security tip!" I said I'd have to go back in and get change and the guy said oh no, that's OK. So I guess he's not supposed to be hassling the clients for money on the way out after all. Wow.
Waitresses here though are always good, cheery, not the thousand foot stare / suicidal girls of Dolls.
Ok, so ran away from here. Went to take a taxi to Shooters. Guy I asked got surrounded by other taxi drivers who started yelling at him. Apparently he didn't know the pecking order. I thought someone was going to get knifed. I just kind of put my head down and waited it out. Ended up with another driver. That much crap over three bucks. Amazing.
Got to Shooters. Girl shaking he head at the entrance at the stream of guys coming in. That did not bode well. Got inside and it was like entering a transporter to Istanbul. Helllooooooooo Turkey! Place was not full, not because there were not enough guys there. I did a head count over about half the room and hit 80 men, about 75% from Istanbul looked like.
Every time our friends from Turkey descend en masse onto a club, the same thing happens. The girls vanish. The ratio of men to women on *ladies night* at Shooters was about 5 to 1 as far as I could tell. With friends who counted more generously but I counted no more than 10 women to the 80 men on the side away from the dance floor. Probably more girls on the dance floor.
One beautiful girl ran the gauntlet of Turks with a full "the Scream" look on her face. She was with a young handsome European guy about 25 who would do absolutely fine in New York or LA. And you could tell she felt lucky. I stayed for one drink and had to bail the hell out of there. On my way out a Turkish guy was trying to literally and physically grab a girl and she saw him coming and did a two step run away and slammed right into my chest. She didn't look just took a dash when she saw the guy coming.
The highlight of my night was getting to McDonald's where they had no fries.
So that is it. Sad thoughts my friends.
McDonald's has no fries and Kiev has no girls. Two things that would seem impossible.
There are too many guys coming to this city to cruise. Turks en masse killed Buddha Bar back when it used to be good and now they have killed Shooters as far as I can tell. There are locals coming into this city with a lot of money and making their presence felt. My first day I saw a guy cruising around in a custom Bentley. I'm thinking, these guys can't buy socks and medkits for the military and guys are cruising around in Bentleys? I donated $100 of medical supplies to the Ukrainian military and here is this ******* buzzing around in his billion dollar car.
The street is getting a little bit aggressive and sometimes scary. I didn't like the taxi drivers actions surrounding and threatening the one guy over five bucks.
There was a lot of police presence but not on foot. Suddenly there is a fleet of Toyota Prius' going around with flashing lights. At night on Kreschatik you can't walk without having at least four police cars in visual range with flashing lights. I don't know if that is good or bad. For tourists police presence is kind of good unless the police want to talk to you then it's very bad.
I got kind of creeped out for the first time ever in Kiev, I didn't feel OK on the street and if I want to sit in a room with 100 guys from Turkey I can go to Istanbul (no offense really to guys from Turkey, it's just that I like to come here to meet Ukrainian girls and because you guys move in a huge wave and flush all the girls away in front of you, you kind of ruin the whole thing. The girls are not into the aggressiveness and the lack of respect and the same thing always happens. The club ends up being 100% Turkish men, the girls know this so they don't go, and then after its all Turkish men nobody goes and after that the place is dead for a long time.).
I can't see myself returning to this city. With the problems and the good venues turning around and becoming crappy experiences and even the strip clubs being massive girls who would be too fat to dance in Atlanta, why come all the way out here?
I know visas became very easy since the conflict and a lot of girls got US visas and 2 year Shengen and so on and have just bolted. And those that stayed, I guess money is flowing into the city from foreign presence and the easterners coming in and anyone worth getting has been got.
I know some models here and 4 of them that I know got plastic surgery in the last couple of months, 3 of them with boob jobs. Girls are dropping $5 k on a whim and going all plastic. Someone is funding that and it doesn't bode well either way, girls going plastic is sad and people throwing this kind of cash around means you need to throw that kind of cash around too to just get someone's attention. The girls I know back home that are pretty and nice don't have this kind of cash to drop and I just think the entire situation has turned on its head pretty fast.
The bell tolls for me. And for you probably. It's over.
After getting Viber to work on my tablet was able to set up an appointment with a lady from this add http://ukraine.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/hot-gfe-model-alina/2811516 . Communication was easy and within 2 hours I had the girl to my room. Tall blonde, maybe 22 years old. She was the girl in the pics they sent although the not the girl in the add. Smoking body and fantastic attitude. Spent an excellent hour for 2000 grivny plus 200 cab fair.
BrasilSoccer0
10-22-15, 10:58
Gopnik,
Good choice not to think with the smaller head and cave in for the spoiled hot girl. Most guys would've given in to her. I think your experience in having lived there gave you the confidence to say NO knowing fully that there are plenty of fish in the sea.
I wonder have you considered smaller towns where the majority of hot girls are more humble and not spoiled by 500 usd or even 100 usd a shot?
You are fluent in russian and you'll do great there in the smaller towns where fewer tourists flooding them with money.
I've been dating a regular woman here in Kyiv so I've been out of the sponsoring game for a while. I recently decided not to date her anymore and thought I'the try a few different sites online to meet a young woman to sponsor and have fun with for a while. One university student I started speaking with seemed promising but I thought her photos were fake so I demanded a meeting at a coffee shop before I was willing to talk details. We met and she was terrific. Very young, pretty with a slim figure and impressive ass and cleavage. She could not have been more friendly and enjoyable to talk to. I thought I'the hit a home run as we both seem to be looking for the same thing. That was until we got into details.
I offered her 100 USD per meeting at 2-3 times a week, feeling confident she'the say yes. To my surprise she declined and countered at 500 USD a meeting. Yes, you read that correctly. 500 per meeting. What shocked me was how nonchalant she was about it. Apparently she'the been spending time with a man my age (late thirties) from Western Europe who'the completely spoiled her. I told her as much but she was adamant 100 USD was not enough. Even after a few long viber conversations, I was only able to reduce her to 200 USD a meeting, which I still will not pay. Ridiculous. She reminded me that she has plenty of men offering her sponsorship, which I believe as she really is appealing.
So, clearly I won't be meeting with her and will begin searching for someone else. I have a lot of former contacts here since I've been living in Kyiv on and off for nearly two years. However, I will keep hammering away at her hoping I can get her down to my offer. Needless to say I am appalled at how spoiled some of the girls here have become.
YellowPaul
10-22-15, 15:11
Now. I thought some of the negative reports earlier on were just guys kind of protecting their territory. Like finding a gold mine and then planting rumors of ghosts. Don't come here it's haunted! Well I found out that Dolls got bad. It didn't really register though that things have changed here. And it's settling in now. Things have changed.
I did a quick trifecta of failure on the infamous Kiev Wednesday night.
Tried the new strip club "Flirt House".
Pros: Fairly large size club with a lot of seating.
Cons: pay money to watch cows dance.
I was the only one there and I lasted for one drink. I should have just turned and ran. Unbelievable that they would attempt this in downtown Kiev within a golf shot of 3 other established strip clubs. The girls were horrifying. This is not even by Kiev standards, this is like by backwoods Arkansas standards or the middle of the jungle in an undiscovered African tribe standards. Had WiFi that didn't work. Ordered whiskey, they didn't have it. There is nothing so bad as when an 80 kilo girl comes off the stage and tries to cosy up to you with her coffee and cigarette breath and says, "want private dance?" I called it a reverse strip club, a place where you pay the girls to put their clothes on.
From there to Solid Gold. Normally to go there on a Wednesday means you would be the only one there. About 8 guys which makes a busy night. Girls not bad, but the stunners who used to be there are gone. Just one heifer who had no place on a stage. She did some rubbing thing with her tits and I shuddered. I actually shuddered in revulsion. The last time I did that I think it was watching 2 girls1 cup.
People smoking in this club, the girls smoking and drinking coffee, someone has to tell them not to do this (it's not going to be me) because it's revolting when they lean in and try to talk to you. "Where are you from?" . "I'm from the Proctor and Gamble company and I'm here to sell some personal hygiene products!
On the way out, I got accosted for "security tip. " Never happened before. Guy kept pressing me, "Security tip, Security tip!" I said I'd have to go back in and get change and the guy said oh no, that's OK. So I guess he's not supposed to be hassling the clients for money on the way out after all. Wow.
Waitresses here though are always good, cheery, not the thousand foot stare / suicidal girls of Dolls.
Ok, so ran away from here. Went to take a taxi to Shooters. Guy I asked got surrounded by other taxi drivers who started yelling at him. Apparently he didn't know the pecking order. I thought someone was going to get knifed. I just kind of put my head down and waited it out. Ended up with another driver. That much crap over three bucks. Amazing.
Got to Shooters. Girl shaking he head at the entrance at the stream of guys coming in. That did not bode well. Got inside and it was like entering a transporter to Istanbul. Helllooooooooo Turkey! Place was not full, not because there were not enough guys there. I did a head count over about half the room and hit 80 men, about 75% from Istanbul looked like.
Every time our friends from Turkey descend en masse onto a club, the same thing happens. The girls vanish. The ratio of men to women on *ladies night* at Shooters was about 5 to 1 as far as I could tell. With friends who counted more generously but I counted no more than 10 women to the 80 men on the side away from the dance floor. Probably more girls on the dance floor.
One beautiful girl ran the gauntlet of Turks with a full "the Scream" look on her face. She was with a young handsome European guy about 25 who would do absolutely fine in New York or LA. And you could tell she felt lucky. I stayed for one drink and had to bail the hell out of there. On my way out a Turkish guy was trying to literally and physically grab a girl and she saw him coming and did a two step run away and slammed right into my chest. She didn't look just took a dash when she saw the guy coming.
The highlight of my night was getting to McDonald's where they had no fries.
So that is it. Sad thoughts my friends.
McDonald's has no fries and Kiev has no girls. Two things that would seem impossible.
There are too many guys coming to this city to cruise. Turks en masse killed Buddha Bar back when it used to be good and now they have killed Shooters as far as I can tell. There are locals coming into this city with a lot of money and making their presence felt. My first day I saw a guy cruising around in a custom Bentley. I'm thinking, these guys can't buy socks and medkits for the military and guys are cruising around in Bentleys? I donated $100 of medical supplies to the Ukrainian military and here is this ******* buzzing around in his billion dollar car.
The street is getting a little bit aggressive and sometimes scary. I didn't like the taxi drivers actions surrounding and threatening the one guy over five bucks.
There was a lot of police presence but not on foot. Suddenly there is a fleet of Toyota Prius' going around with flashing lights. At night on Kreschatik you can't walk without having at least four police cars in visual range with flashing lights. I don't know if that is good or bad. For tourists police presence is kind of good unless the police want to talk to you then it's very bad.
I got kind of creeped out for the first time ever in Kiev, I didn't feel OK on the street and if I want to sit in a room with 100 guys from Turkey I can go to Istanbul (no offense really to guys from Turkey, it's just that I like to come here to meet Ukrainian girls and because you guys move in a huge wave and flush all the girls away in front of you, you kind of ruin the whole thing. The girls are not into the aggressiveness and the lack of respect and the same thing always happens. The club ends up being 100% Turkish men, the girls know this so they don't go, and then after its all Turkish men nobody goes and after that the place is dead for a long time.).
I can't see myself returning to this city. With the problems and the good venues turning around and becoming crappy experiences and even the strip clubs being massive girls who would be too fat to dance in Atlanta, why come all the way out here?
I know visas became very easy since the conflict and a lot of girls got US visas and 2 year Shengen and so on and have just bolted. And those that stayed, I guess money is flowing into the city from foreign presence and the easterners coming in and anyone worth getting has been got.
I know some models here and 4 of them that I know got plastic surgery in the last couple of months, 3 of them with boob jobs. Girls are dropping $5 k on a whim and going all plastic. Someone is funding that and it doesn't bode well either way, girls going plastic is sad and people throwing this kind of cash around means you need to throw that kind of cash around too to just get someone's attention. The girls I know back home that are pretty and nice don't have this kind of cash to drop and I just think the entire situation has turned on its head pretty fast.
The bell tolls for me. And for you probably. It's over.Thanks for a great honest reporting reminding me why I use to love Kiev and rarely come back. I still remember hassle being stopped by the cops. I couldn't even get into Shooters (twice) . Guess they were saving the VIP for the Turks. Lack of English. Horrible service. I could go on. Hell I still remember 1 Turkish I met who lives in UA who told me he proudly impregnated over a dozen girls over the years.
Ukraine is the only I have meet P4P girls that would not kiss but will let you raw dog them. Cover up guys STD'S is big time over there.
That said with the difference in the exchange rate and for a long term punter or frequent visitor who has time to build up a social or work circle. You can definitely grow a decent harem if you have the time and $$.
AColonizer
10-22-15, 15:36
Yes, you are very clever in dealing. In my opinion, since I am not a fierce trader, 200 $ for a night without limits is good, better if for a whole day. I say, I was very annoyed when I understood I should work very hard to get a good girl for a massage or for sex and therefore I cut the losses in paying just for a body massage. So I didn't get any frauds in Kiev. Anyway, there is not a hope if a man is looking just for a casual sex: I always wonder the reason the best mongers never want to live with their best girls for free!
I've been dating a regular woman here in Kyiv so I've been out of the sponsoring game for a while. I recently decided not to date her anymore and thought I'the try a few different sites online to meet a young woman to sponsor and have fun with for a while. One university student I started speaking with seemed promising but I thought her photos were fake so I demanded a meeting at a coffee shop before I was willing to talk details. We met and she was terrific. Very young, pretty with a slim figure and impressive ass and cleavage. She could not have been more friendly and enjoyable to talk to. I thought I'the hit a home run as we both seem to be looking for the same thing. That was until we got into details.
I offered her 100 USD per meeting at 2-3 times a week, feeling confident she'the say yes. To my surprise she declined and countered at 500 USD a meeting. Yes, you read that correctly. 500 per meeting. What shocked me was how nonchalant she was about it. Apparently she'the been spending time with a man my age (late thirties) from Western Europe who'the completely spoiled her. I told her as much but she was adamant 100 USD was not enough. Even after a few long viber conversations, I was only able to reduce her to 200 USD a meeting, which I still will not pay. Ridiculous. She reminded me that she has plenty of men offering her sponsorship, which I believe as she really is appealing.
So, clearly I won't be meeting with her and will begin searching for someone else. I have a lot of former contacts here since I've been living in Kyiv on and off for nearly two years. However, I will keep hammering away at her hoping I can get her down to my offer. Needless to say I am appalled at how spoiled some of the girls here have become.
That said with the difference in the exchange rate and for a long term punter or frequent visitor who has time to build up a social or work circle. You can definitely grow a decent harem if you have the time and $$.I agree. The time, the money, and the skin to deal with the dickheads and isolation.
Gopnik,
Good choice not to think with the smaller head and cave in for the spoiled hot girl. Most guys would've given in to her. I think your experience in having lived there gave you the confidence to say NO knowing fully that there are plenty of fish in the sea.
I wonder have you considered smaller towns where the majority of hot girls are more humble and not spoiled by 500 usd or even 100 usd a shot?
You are fluent in russian and you'll do great there in the smaller towns where fewer tourists flooding them with money.I'm not fluent in Russian but I'm not finding it much of a problem. I actually have quite a number of connections in smaller towns and cities. I usually invite them to Kyiv for a meeting and get them to stay with me if we like each other. I live in a modern flat that's a mere 15 minute walk to Kreshchatyk so younger women are all about it.
As for that girl, she really is adorable and extremely likable. I'm going to keep at her but for nothing like what she's asking.
Got myself a smack of reality today. Met the most beautiful skinny young Ukrainian. If anybody here cares, Inessa at the 262 agency in Chicago. Three weeks in America and pure teen Ukrainian, not yet corrupted.
I realized you can bang all the hard hoes in America or Western Europe and it will never be something special like the semi-pros in Ukraine.
I realized you can bang all the hard hoes in America or Western Europe and it will never be something special like the semi-pros in Ukraine.Well said, Riina.
DudeNextDoor
10-24-15, 11:31
This reminds me a pick up bar called Randevous North of Atlanta. The place was full of suburban MILFs looking for one nighters and long term rich boyfriends. The entry was free. Bar prices were decent. The local rich single white guys were hooking up with these single moms every night. It was packed with people on the weekends. Then the black guys figured out the place. Single moms were happy first few weeks. After all they were now getting big black cock for a change. Word got out and masses of black guys came in. White guys stopped going in and then then some of the single moms stopped going. The place was still full but it was not the same. After 6 months the place was closed. Other places opened up nearby but it was not the same. I know this is a different country, different people, different situations but the bottom line is same.
All good thing are ruined one day!
I got kind of creeped out for the first time ever in Kiev, I didn't feel OK on the street and if I want to sit in a room with 100 guys from Turkey I can go to Istanbul (no offense really to guys from Turkey, it's just that I like to come here to meet Ukrainian girls and because you guys move in a huge wave and flush all the girls away in front of you, you kind of ruin the whole thing. The girls are not into the aggressiveness and the lack of respect and the same thing always happens. The club ends up being 100% Turkish men, the girls know this so they don't go, and then after its all Turkish men nobody goes and after that the place is dead for a long time.)
Made the final (or maybe second to last) round of the strip clubs. Again, sadness.
Went to Rio at 11 pm on Friday. Was told I could not come in because they were full. I don't think they were full full, but one guy coming in means a table being occupied there and they were anticipating being full and that means a few empty seats would go to waste and that means a few less guys drinking or paying.
In my life this is the first time I got turned away at a strip club. And as Rio has been a fallback case for a lot of guys on this forum. Welcome to the new reality.
I was told maybe if I waited in the restaurant downstairs for 2 hours they might be able to let me go up. They said to go to Mandarin so I did. They're run by the same people so it's not a case of face control. Mandarin is actually a lot nicer than Rio.
So Mandarin. They seem to have injected some money. One nice thing about this place is they have a pretty good cabaret show. The downside is that these cabaret girls are beautiful and perfectly fit dancers (real dancers). So they outshine the pole. Uh pole walkers. Whatever. The fat girls who get naked.
Since the last time I was there they seem to have put in a lot of lasers and fog effects, it's actually a decent place to go with a bunch of friends if you want to have some food and watch the show and maybe meet a girl. Just that the selection of girls is going downhill everywhere. There were a couple nice girls and they got snagged immediately by the guys from Istanbul who are everywhere. There was one girl there who was so fat in the belly she seemed to be pregnant (no exaggeration) and I was kind of stunned. I don't know why these places are accepting these girls as it is better to have less girls and / or just hire some gogo dancers to fill in if other girls get taken for the night than to have someone like that taking their clothes off.
The place got pretty busy and I took off.
From there I went to Star Nosorog which as usual was not too busy so that was nice. Sitting down here they make you do a 500 UAH deposit which would get you about 5 drinks. Better than the 3,000 that dolls wanted.
Most of the girls speak english here, there is no takeout option so they get more students and "nice girls" without the jaded look. So as a strip club to just drink and watch pole dancing (they actually dance here instead of walking around in a circle around a pole) with beautiful girls it's a big step up from the Rio / Mandarin thing. They run a promo every 20 minutes for 2 for 1 private dances. Private dances here are 300 UAH and since this is the only money making option for the girls other than commission off of your drinks and food, quite a few of the girls will give a pretty good dance that's worth it.
Usually here though you have the piranha effect of entering the club and sitting down, often the girls who don't get a lot of customers will immediately jump you and ask the Trifecta Questionnaire (where are you from / where are you staying / how long are you in town) to assess your wallet and capabilities for return. It's important to not let them push you but to just firmly say no. They like to push you to tip the girl dancing, nothing wrong with that, I don't like the pushing though because it sets a precedent and they do it only for solidarity (they don't give a damn if that other girl gets a tip, but they want the girl dancing to be pushing customers when the roles are reversed). Usually after a lot of "net" they will figure out you won't be an easy mark and leave you alone.
The nice thing about the 20 minute promo is that it keeps the girls circulating so you have opportunities at easy intervals to grab a girl you like AND you don't have the "Moscow problem" of being harassed every 30 seconds by a girl squirming in front of you for 5 seconds and then asking for a tip. In Moscow if you do that, fork over one tip for a squirming girl's "dance" everyone else sees it and then a queue forms and you'll spend the next hour with your wallet open handing out money. Better to say no to the first two than to let any of them see you hand out money and then have to fight them off en masse. Same reason I won't tip the girl on the pole because the other girls see it and will make a beeline for you all night for tips. While those who didn't get to relax in comfort and select who they want to spend time with and what they want to spend.
Anyway I can recommend this club, there are a lot in the Nosorog chain but each may be a bit different from the rest. Good for watching a show, bit of drinking, relaxing, take a dance or two and so on.
That said, not as many beautiful girls here as there have been in the past as well.
Everything I've seen keeps pointing to the same factors, way more many men showing up, especially locals and Turks, more money being flung around which I think is being syphoned off of US and EU aid when it comes to the locals. Foreigners showing up late to the game are paying what is required and that means inflation. Girls have departed with easier and longer sympathy visas available to Ukrainians and so we have in general, supply going down and demand going up. People on the supply side are still trying to figure it out but they're doing it all wrong. They should be promoting the hell out of the slow nights and they should be cranking the charges up on the busy nights. This will make them more money and give opportunities to people of all spending thresholds and that would maximize revenue and profit. It would also bring say stunners into availability for weekends, the kind of girls who don't seem to be around anymore. And keep the heifers off the poles.
But nobody ever said Ukraine was filled with people with great business sense.
Going to hit the bars today.
Member #4491
10-25-15, 21:41
God your gloomy here now. LOL. Sounds like the end of all fun, but we all know that it is not. Just more of a challenge.
All this talk about 300 USD or 500 USD is just silly. Get real. Donate to something better if you have an urge to get rid of your money.
I said it before. As soon you are in the rat race trying to qualify for a girl, you are fucked. They need to qualify for you. At least you need to act this and tell them this. All humans have something they need (besides money). Find your leverage.
No harm in paying but it is a bad idea to start a relationship with a negotiation. And that what it is in Kiev IMHO. Relationships of some sort. Not brothel sex. In the end you will meet more females who will take some help, if you come across as someone with social skills and options. And if you really can not do this, maybe better to head for Germany as may said before Barba.
I know she's been floating around here sometimes during the years and that I might have asked before, but did anyone ever actually get to see her and pork her? Had contact with her a long time ago, but something came between our date. Her pictures are reused every now and then in profiles. One profile on Mamba now named Polina but her name starts with V (I believe). Her tattoo sucks and probably her attitude as well, but her tits rocks.
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BrasilSoccer0
10-26-15, 05:37
I was thinking the same and you are right especially for lurkers like myself who never been there yet, it sure sounds gloomy and dreadful.
I'm glad you spoke like the real expert you are on ukraine. I'm having the same debate of mongers in medellin and Cuba putting girls on pedestal and paying whatever is told to them.
Soon!
God your gloomy here now. LOL. Sounds like the end of all fun, but we all know that it is not. Just more of a challenge.
All this talk about 300 USD or 500 USD is just silly. Get real. Donate to something better if you have an urge to get rid of your money.
I said it before. As soon you are in the rat race trying to qualify for a girl, you are fucked. They need to qualify for you. At least you need to act this and tell them this. All humans have something they need (besides money). Find your leverage.
No harm in paying but it is a bad idea to start a relationship with a negotiation. And that what it is in Kiev IMHO. Relationships of some sort. Not brothel sex. In the end you will meet more females who will take some help, if you come across as someone with social skills and options. And if you really can not do this, maybe better to head for Germany as may said before Barba.
I know she's been floating around here sometimes during the years and that I might have asked before, but did anyone ever actually get to see her and pork her? Had contact with her a long time ago, but something came between our date. Her pictures are reused every now and then in profiles. One profile on Mamba now named Polina but her name starts with V (I believe). Her tattoo sucks and probably her attitude as well, but her tits rocks.
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InsomniacTales
10-26-15, 10:25
So true. And Rio on Thursday even at 9 pm had a very variable range of girls. Not as hot as expected from the previous posts. Perhaps a bad weekday night? Getting to the VIP was simple and no tip needed but we saw three large and very rough tattooed girls in a row and so we decided to move on. I've heard a stripper who's friendly and teases with a few extras can make 40 to 60 k grh a month with private dances tips and massages and so on without having to leave the clubs. And that's what the pretty ones do. Word gets round and the city girls are pretty canny now and realize they don't have to have sex to make good money. And they all seem to get European visas with no effort. It's become their market and they can pick and choose from amongst the plentiful supply of men throwing cash at them.
Made the final (or maybe second to last) round of the strip clubs. Again, sadness.
Went to Rio at 11 pm on Friday. Was told I could not come in because they were full. I don't think they were full full, but one guy coming in means a table being occupied there and they were anticipating being full and that means a few empty seats would go to waste and that means a few less guys drinking or paying.
In my life this is the first time I got turned away at a strip club. And as Rio has been a fallback case for a lot of guys on this forum. Welcome to the new reality.
I was told maybe if I waited in the restaurant downstairs for 2 hours they might be able to let me go up. They said to go to Mandarin so I did. They're run by the same people so it's not a case of face control. Mandarin is actually a lot nicer than Rio.
So Mandarin. They seem to have injected some money. One nice thing about this place is they have a pretty good cabaret show. The downside is that these cabaret girls are beautiful and perfectly fit dancers (real dancers). So they outshine the pole. Uh pole walkers. Whatever. The fat girls who get naked.
Since the last time I was there they seem to have put in a lot of lasers and fog effects, it's actually a decent place to go with a bunch of friends if you want to have some food and watch the show and maybe meet a girl. Just that the selection of girls is going downhill everywhere. There were a couple nice girls and they got snagged immediately by the guys from Istanbul who are everywhere. There was one girl there who was so fat in the belly she seemed to be pregnant (no exaggeration) and I was kind of stunned. I don't know why these places are accepting these girls as it is better to have less girls and / or just hire some gogo dancers to fill in if other girls get taken for the night than to have someone like that taking their clothes off.
The place got pretty busy and I took off.
From there I went to Star Nosorog which as usual was not too busy so that was nice. Sitting down here they make you do a 500 UAH deposit which would get you about 5 drinks. Better than the 3,000 that dolls wanted.
Most of the girls speak english here, there is no takeout option so they get more students and "nice girls" without the jaded look. So as a strip club to just drink and watch pole dancing (they actually dance here instead of walking around in a circle around a pole) with beautiful girls it's a big step up from the Rio / Mandarin thing. They run a promo every 20 minutes for 2 for 1 private dances. Private dances here are 300 UAH and since this is the only money making option for the girls other than commission off of your drinks and food, quite a few of the girls will give a pretty good dance that's worth it.
Usually here though you have the piranha effect of entering the club and sitting down, often the girls who don't get a lot of customers will immediately jump you and ask the Trifecta Questionnaire (where are you from / where are you staying / how long are you in town) to assess your wallet and capabilities for return. It's important to not let them push you but to just firmly say no. They like to push you to tip the girl dancing, nothing wrong with that, I don't like the pushing though because it sets a precedent and they do it only for solidarity (they don't give a damn if that other girl gets a tip, but they want the girl dancing to be pushing customers when the roles are reversed). Usually after a lot of "net" they will figure out you won't be an easy mark and leave you alone.
The nice thing about the 20 minute promo is that it keeps the girls circulating so you have opportunities at easy intervals to grab a girl you like AND you don't have the "Moscow problem" of being harassed every 30 seconds by a girl squirming in front of you for 5 seconds and then asking for a tip. In Moscow if you do that, fork over one tip for a squirming girl's "dance" everyone else sees it and then a queue forms and you'll spend the next hour with your wallet open handing out money. Better to say no to the first two than to let any of them see you hand out money and then have to fight them off en masse. Same reason I won't tip the girl on the pole because the other girls see it and will make a beeline for you all night for tips. While those who didn't get to relax in comfort and select who they want to spend time with and what they want to spend.
Anyway I can recommend this club, there are a lot in the Nosorog chain but each may be a bit different from the rest. Good for watching a show, bit of drinking, relaxing, take a dance or two and so on.
That said, not as many beautiful girls here as there have been in the past as well.
Everything I've seen keeps pointing to the same factors, way more many men showing up, especially locals and Turks, more money being flung around which I think is being syphoned off of US and EU aid when it comes to the locals. Foreigners showing up late to the game are paying what is required and that means inflation. Girls have departed with easier and longer sympathy visas available to Ukrainians and so we have in general, supply going down and demand going up. People on the supply side are still trying to figure it out but they're doing it all wrong. They should be promoting the hell out of the slow nights and they should be cranking the charges up on the busy nights. This will make them more money and give opportunities to people of all spending thresholds and that would maximize revenue and profit. It would also bring say stunners into availability for weekends, the kind of girls who don't seem to be around anymore. And keep the heifers off the poles.
But nobody ever said Ukraine was filled with people with great business sense.
Going to hit the bars today.
KeepItBurnin
10-26-15, 10:52
Hi guys. Came across this website. Any good? Is there any website that is safe and real photos?
As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.
Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?
As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.
Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?How do you know that they are wonderful? By their Photos? Do you think that you are going to get the girl on the photo? Welcome to Kiev where everything is different from what you see on the web.
InsomniacTales
10-27-15, 09:04
After my disappointing and expensive trips to Dolls where all the pretty and decent girls seem to have been driven away, I followed the tips and went to Star Nosorog in Podol. This seems to be where the pretty girls have gone. But no take out option. Great full on private dances. Trousers off. Grinding. Full contact. Long dances. 300 each. Whisky or juices at 100 gr. The girls do push a little bit for cocktails but at 200 or so each that's a fair tip to them. A beautiful 20 year old girl called Camilla. Brunette, tame massages but so nice. Her 2nd day only. Philosophy student. Then a crazy wild one Alyna. Both sat with me all night. 6 long dances at 2 songs each, all top quality dancing with zest, in total and with tips it came to 2 k. Easily worth it as a one off and what a boost to the mood! 1. 5 k for food and drinks including skewers of kebabs and grilled fish. Great fun. Much cheaper than Dolls but easily worth it for a good night out that won't leave you feeling ripped off.
Made the final (or maybe second to last) round of the strip clubs. Again, sadness.
Went to Rio at 11 pm on Friday. Was told I could not come in because they were full. I don't think they were full full, but one guy coming in means a table being occupied there and they were anticipating being full and that means a few empty seats would go to waste and that means a few less guys drinking or paying.
In my life this is the first time I got turned away at a strip club. And as Rio has been a fallback case for a lot of guys on this forum. Welcome to the new reality.
I was told maybe if I waited in the restaurant downstairs for 2 hours they might be able to let me go up. They said to go to Mandarin so I did. They're run by the same people so it's not a case of face control. Mandarin is actually a lot nicer than Rio.
So Mandarin. They seem to have injected some money. One nice thing about this place is they have a pretty good cabaret show. The downside is that these cabaret girls are beautiful and perfectly fit dancers (real dancers). So they outshine the pole. Uh pole walkers. Whatever. The fat girls who get naked.
Since the last time I was there they seem to have put in a lot of lasers and fog effects, it's actually a decent place to go with a bunch of friends if you want to have some food and watch the show and maybe meet a girl. Just that the selection of girls is going downhill everywhere. There were a couple nice girls and they got snagged immediately by the guys from Istanbul who are everywhere. There was one girl there who was so fat in the belly she seemed to be pregnant (no exaggeration) and I was kind of stunned. I don't know why these places are accepting these girls as it is better to have less girls and / or just hire some gogo dancers to fill in if other girls get taken for the night than to have someone like that taking their clothes off.....
How do you know that they are wonderful? By their Photos? Do you think that you are going to get the girl on the photo? Welcome to Kiev where everything is different from what you see on the web.This is exactly my question.
How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?
Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?
Five days in Kiey, mixed experiences. I had been there before, several times actually. I have been in contact with a slim, blonde girl, 27 years, who works the field as a "hobby", who does not charge a lot (60 Euros for one hour, OWO and CIM included). She offers to bring girlfriends, this time she brought a stunningly hot 24 year old girl who is simply wild in bed. It was a bit overwhelming. So this makes for great time, meeting with a purpose, after the finish the girls go to the bathroom quickly and clean their mouths. We have developed a friendship, I have met three of her girlfriends. She is on Mamba, if you look a bit and are of the type she likes (she is selective) you will find her.
I also tried to find a girl who I could possibly go on a trip with at some point (thinking of one week on Maldives). Met with two girls who were looking for serious relationship, and eventually was too shy to pursue, because I do have scruples, as I am not looking for relationship really. Especially one in her early 30 ies, it would have been just unfair to distract her from the very important mission of finding a man who would rescue her from a dire situation. She is nice, and pretty, but I backed out. The other girl is firmly standing in life, has a job, saves for a trip to Thailand, and is looking for a suitor. The chemistry was good at out first meeting, but it was the same, I had scruples. She is really pretty and hopefully will find a good guy. She is worth it. The first one can be found on Travelgirls, the second one is on no website at the moment.
Now for the girls who offer more than plain escort, looking for sponsorship. I found them the most difficult to cope with. Because they do actually go for the cash quite brazenly, and not, as I am inclined to say, sustainable. One sent me whatsapp messages on a daily basis for weeks before my arrival, and on the day of the meeting very abruptly called for 500 $ for the first day (the second, she said, would be free). That was before I had even met her, so it seemed steep to me, since I wanted to get to know her first. We settled for 300, but did not stay together for long, as much as I liked her. She was not my type. Cute girl, petite, 19 years old. One nice BJ, a bit of an expensive indulgence.
I have never seen a club in Kyiv from the inside, always preferred to meet contacts from dating websites, the best for this purpose being Travelgirls by a wide margin. There are fakes and scammers, but still more than enough great young ladies with all kinds of expectations and passions. And one added benefit to meeting them (I had two great encounters) is that basically all of them can tell wild stories about this forlorn country. For example about a member of parliament who has himself delivered a fresh girl every single day.
The one girl I had my highest hopes for taking her to Maldives eventually would not even meet me. We had met one time over a year ago, it seemed pointless, later she reconsidered, so did I, but she seems to have reconsidered her reconsideration. She pretended to be busy, and maybe she was. I still have her number, and experience tells me she might still write a message at some point in the future.
This is exactly my question.
How to find good looking girls in Kiev without being scammed?
Is it possible at all? Are Kiev working girls that much beautiful?Just read the escort section or some posts from other members and you will find everything.
You can also read my posts from last year and this year. I talked about my personal experience with escorts.
As I checked for call girls, Ukraine has wonderful girls working for less than EUR 50. Is it really what happens or just an illusion? Because, I want to plan to go there, and do not what to be disappointed in the cold Kiev with no action.
Can I bring girls to my apartment for EUR 50 in Kiev? Will they come to apartment or it must be a hotel room?Yes. Read the forum. Even 50 USD will buy you a beautiful young girl. If you take them to a hotel, you will have to give a little to the doorman too.
Have fun!
How about this sweet 19 year old from Gia?, for 2500 UAH, about half of which goes to the house (actually, for "discounts", the house only takes 1000 UAH).
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/karina6
Even the best independent should not be more than 1500 UAH.
Not that I 've used them or would use them, But where are you finding those (UAH) start at 2500 prices for GIA?
http://gia-escort.com/escorts
Plenty of girls at US $300 an hour =UAH 6000 . Discounted girls are at $150 = UAH3150.
And Elena US $300 an hour? I am sure I've seen girls at US $400 an hour when I first clicked on their site earlier today.
The year was 2015.
Steve69,
Can you answer the following question to give more perpespective and clarification in your post: Were the two girls above you started out paying 800 or 1000 or lower? Which years did you meet them?
I respectfully disagree. I might add that I actually study the demographics of sex, but you do not have to believe me.
Globally, the price for sex, as it turns out, is about the price of 3 dates. YOu can put one on the x axis and the other one in the why axis and you get a nice straight line, with some variance around it, of course. You correct it for "socio-economic status", you can get 3 separate lines, with a little less variance around each. Ity is amazign how the data shows the balance nearly perfect between "free" and paid sex.
What does this mean? Well, if you live in Manhattan, and you want to date a 25 year old Princeton educated, gorgeous, banking manager, you will probably have to shell out a significant amount of money per date. If you want the same quality woman (looks and intelligence) without the dating, you can save what you would spend on 3 dates, and just pay it to a pro.
If you want to date a relatively still okay 35 year old hairdresser from NJ, with a kid at home, you would pay a lot less per date. Finding a pro of equivalent quality, in NJ, would set you back the equivalent of 3 such dates.
So, it depends on the local economy and the level of girl you want. In some places in Africa you can get sex for 10 to 20 dollars, apparently for relatively good looking girls (at least according to the posters, check the forum).
In Kiev, 3 cheap dates can be as little as 500 UAH, or less. This can still be with beautiful girls, who are students and have low expectations, or perhaps like your company. Sure enough, such girls, students who are not hard pros and perhaps like your company, will agree to have sex for very little money.
Girls who are hotter, more mature, richer, more intelligent, or just do not like you, would only agree to a date with you if the date is a lot more impressive. Similarly. You get the point.
I still think that 1000 UAH is more than reasonable for most situations.
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Globally a semi pro to pro shag almost always boils down to 100 USD plus / minus 50%. So 50-150 USD will get you a good evening in most corners of the world. With some repeat discount, you will be below 400 USD with your scheme, at least until you both "fall in love" and the real drain starts. God forbid you get the idea to marry her, because that is when you really can say goodbye to the 100 USD per shag rate. LOL.
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Yes. Read the forum. Even 50 USD will buy you a beautiful young girl. If you take them to a hotel, you will have to give a little to the doorman too.
Have fun!You might get a "beautiful young girl", but the probability are low. Most chances are to get average quality. Furthermore most of the time, they won't do Oral without for that price. So it means 10-20 more dollars to add. One of the girl I called from an escort number, didn't want any cuni too. And I mentionnend first on the phone if that was included in the price. Of course on the phone, everything was included.
With mamba you can get a "beautiful young girl" for 50 USD. I think that's what Stevie 69 wanted to say. However you need luck and lots of time for the chatting, it means nearly a half time job.
I am certainly no Archimedes, The greatest Mathematician of his age who anitipated the integral Calculus. I did few Comparisons on Prices between A Hair Cut V Mongering In what I consider at this time, The Mother of All Mongering Cities in the World, London.
And here are my Findings.
1. The cheapest Hair Cut In London is £6. The Cheapest Decent Full Sex for one hour is £60, as advertised on adult work.
Well that is exactly 10 times the price of a Hair Cut.
2. The going prices for good hair cuts are between 12 to 15.
The going prices for a really good sex for one hour In London, is in the price range 120 to 150 an Hour. The only extra is Anal. This is priced at 40.More on the price of Sex.
Here is a very good in depth analysis ".
The Economist explains.
Why the price of commercial sex is falling" http://www.economist.com/blogs/economist-explains/2014/08/economist-explains-7.
"The Economist has analysed 190,000 profiles of female sex workers on websites where customers post reviews. The data cover 84 cities in 12 countries, with the biggest number of workers in America and most of the rest in big cities in rich countries. According to our analysis, the price of an hour of sex with a female prostitute has been dropping fairly steadily in recent years. In 2006 the average cost was around $340. By 2014 it had dropped to about $260. ".
And here is another good analysis on the effect of the Internet on the prices of Sex.
Prostitution and the internet.
More bang for your buck.
How new technology is shaking up the oldest business" http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21611074-how-new-technology-shaking-up-oldest-business-more-bang-your-buck.
LOL Enjoy the " Waffles ". On the price of sex.
I guess your mileage might vary. Last time I was there, this summer, I got plenty of good action for 800-1200 UAH.
Again, I offer as evidence, this: a high quality 19 year old, for 2500 UAH, about half of which goes to the house.
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/karina6
Again, there is no reason to pay 300 EUROS per how, as some people here do. It is not just the money. If you want to blow it, go ahead, but a good charity might be better. As it has previously been mentioned here the problems with paying the same price as you pay back home are: (1) you might as well stay back home. (2) The girl will not respect you and think you are an idiot. Her performance will be at par with her opinion of you. (3) Regardless of how disgusting you are, if you pay enough, you can get anyone to have sex with you. If a girl agrees to do it for a reasonable price, it probably means that she at least likes you a little, and the sex will be better. (3) Whether you pay 500 UH or 5000 UAH, if the sex is bad, there are no returns. (4) Would you rather help a hard-core pro who only has to "work" once per month, and all else goes to her trips to Bali, her SUV, her plastic surgeries, and her $500 shoes? OR would you rather support a 20 year old student with her tuition, or a 25 year old single mother with her rent? (5) There is actually a small possibility that you will develop a long term relationship with a reasonably priced girl. It is unwise, but I have been tempted twice. (6) you learn some negotiation skills, which are good next time you discuss a salary increase. (7) Finally, by paying high prices you raise the prices for everyone. Stop it!
Yes, of course it is easier just to accept the first ridiculous offer you get. !
You might get a "beautiful young girl", but the probability are low. Most chances are to get average quality. Furthermore most of the time, they won't do Oral without for that price. So it means 10-20 more dollars to add. One of the girl I called from an escort number, didn't want any cuni too. And I mentionnend first on the phone if that was included in the price. Of course on the phone, everything was included.
With mamba you can get a "beautiful young girl" for 50 USD. I think that's what Stevie 69 wanted to say. However you need luck and lots of time for the chatting, it means nearly a half time job.
So, we have 3 estimates:
1. - Ten times the price of a haircut.
2. - The price of 3 dates.
3. - The price of a hotel room.
I am certainly no Archimedes, The greatest Mathematician of his age who anitipated the integral Calculus. I did few Comparisons on Prices between A Hair Cut V Mongering In what I consider at this time, The Mother of All Mongering Cities in the World, London.
And here are my Findings.
1. The cheapest Hair Cut In London is£6. The Cheapest Decent Full Sex for one hour is 60, as advertised on adult work.
Well that is exactly 10 times the price of a Hair Cut.
2. The going prices for good hair cuts are between £12 to £15.
The going prices for a really good sex for one hour In London, is in the price range £120 to £ 150 an Hour. The only extra is Anal. This is priced at 40.
That is exactly 10 times the price I pay for my Hair cuts.
The simple formula of (multiplying the cost of a hair cut by Ten) to get the price of sex can be applied to get to get the price of sex in Kiev.
In Kiev it costs 99 Uah to get a standard hair cut in a expat area of Kiev.
" The price of Standard men's haircut in expat area of the city in Kiev is 99₴" . Sex = about UAH 1000.
https://www.expatistan.com/price/men-haircut/kiev
It proves the formula by the Author of the book " Ten times the price of a Hair cut" to be correct, Agricultural economist Will L be Bogarde.
Two things in Life have proved to be invariably true, the price of an ounce of gold has been always been the price of a good suite more or less, and the (Price Of a Good Fuck) is always (Ten Times) the Price of a Hair cut.
This goes back to Roman, Greek and even Egyptian times.
This Truth is known as the unviversal Copulation Constant, or if you happen to be an Economist The Shadow Price Of Pussy.
Eerlly quiet here, You could hear a pin drop.
Guess would be mongers are busy getting Quotes in Kiev for a Hair cut before they dip their toes in the water.
What country are most the mongers from?
Who is keeping prices high.
I am thinking about visiting Kiev again. I haven't been there since 2011 and I know a lot has changed. Is the city still pretty safe and fun? Also, does anyone know if the Kreschatyik hotel poker room is still open?
Thanks.
Here you go, the most expensive haircuts of all time. Only the ones for MEN really apply to this story.
http://financesonline.com/10-most-ridiculously-expensive-haircuts-of-all-time/
So, we agree, by any of the measures, about 1000 UAH is about right, and up to 2000 for high class. Any more and you are raisign the prices and getting exploited.
Eerlly quiet here, You could hear a pin drop.
Guess would be mongers are busy getting Quotes in Kiev for a Hair cut before they dip their toes in the water.
AntonioMontana
11-14-15, 15:18
Hi,
I was in Kiev for almost a week. I did not go there with high expectations, because I knew its not a perfect monger-country and that things aren't that easy. However, I did not expect things to be that bad. I know that the country struggles with the situation. However I thought that Kiev is somehow a different place with a different situation as in the East part of the country, but here again I was quite wrong. The business there is totally down. That does not mean that people are friendly to you or give you a warm welcome. I was going there not really for escort business. I was actually going there to just connect to the people, see how they live and to socialize. Maybe at the end of a conversation with a girl there will be more, but actually that was not important for me. The whole trip was very disappointing and very annoying. First of all arriving at the airport is actually not a bad thing (I am talking about Borispol where most international flights arrive and depart). While arriving these days you can see a very large extreme new and clean airport with you and some others being the only people there. I have never seen this before. An empty airport with this size. The question is how to go from airport to hotel. I can only advise you to not take a taxi. For a foreigner it is absolutely impossible to be not ripped-off. Using skybus is also not an easy option, since you have to get out of the airpot with our luggage and finde the departure of the skybus. Second the final destination (besides another metro station which will most likely be useless for you) is the south of the central station. Since most hotels are in the center and you also will have a hotel in the center or even on the kreschtschatik street you have to use the metro. Beeing in Kiev with luggage as a foreigner and usig the extremely overcrowed metro is not a good idea. Best thing is to previously contact your hotel / apartment and ask them to order you a taxi. It is a good thing to ask for the price and here you can already see if it is a good hotel or not. Some will try to rip you off and some will give you a fair price (of course still more than locals will pay). E. g. One aparment provider wanted to charge me 850 hryvnia for one way from airport to hotel. Absolutely too much. You can see that they tried to rip you off and you shold not go for this provider, although they might offer you good appartments. At least that's my philosophy. My hotel charged me 440 hryvnia for the way from airport to center and (I don't know why it is a different price) 340 hryvnia from hotel back to airport. Good price, of course you should always add tip, even if the taxi driver does not speak to you during the whole trip. Don't worry if this happens to you, nothing to be afraid of, its their style. I thought and I hoped that eastern-european are open-minded and that I will be able to socialize and make new contacts. Well it is the other way round: They are not open-minded and they do not give a warm welcome. For me as an english speaking person I had not much possibilities to communicate with the locals. Ok, if you are a russian speaking person who knows the mentality of eastern-european people you will have more success. But I wasn't, I only speak a few russian / ukrainian words. The city / economy there is down. So are the people. There is a bad atmosphere and a lot, really a lot of young people are gone. Especially the young ones are gone. Time there is simply over. Its now everywhere desperation. I read that ukrainian women are supposed to be sexy and well dressed. Well I guess if there were ukrainian young girls they would have been sexy dressed. I went out to 4 different clubs (not on one night of course):
First club (and the best): Sorry Babushka.
This was actually the only club were some people were dancing. No 8/10 or 9/10 babes. At a maximum 8/10 and only a few. Quite normal people here, so also some grandmas and dads dancing here. Probably not a good monger place. I hoped for some young ukrainian students, but as I said, a lot of young and especially english speaking people are aleady gone. This country is basically sucked out. Maybe in summer its better, but I can only tell you my personal opinion and my subjective view and it is a really odd feeling. I have read here some posts about people saying that turks used to go to the country to get sexy young girls. Yes, I really think they did and I think there must be quite a lot of young sexy ukrainian girls living now somewhere else. I can understand this. They have no future in their country. On the streets you can see bascially 6 different things:
1. Mafia with Porsch Chayenne.
2. Mafia with Audio Q7.
3. Mafia with Range Rover.
4. Mafia with BMW SUV.
5. Mafia with Mercedes SUV.
6. And then the "rest" (normal people with low income).
Of course I cannot give you a legal proof to validate my politically incorrect assumption that just because these guys there driving Porsche (average income there 400 Euros I think) are Mafia. Of course maybe they are very honest and hard-working business man with a very intelligent brain and lots of language skills to make international successful business. Well international yes, I think this country is hiding lots of individual tragedies: I think there have been lots and lots of young girls being sold. Maybe they also wanted to be sold, since it was still better than staying there.
So people there have two choices: Mafia or not. Really a good situation for young people to pursue their aims in live and to get shit done. So I guess choosing a turk as a husband is a quite good choice for ukrainian girls. Especially I have to say that the western-european man has a negative association. I do not exactly know why, but I guess over there they are very disappointed about the western politics not giving a fuck and they know that they are fucked and no one will help them. I think also that it would not be possible to help them or to somehow "connect" them to EU. They have completey different attitude and if you "connect" this country to EU, you only get Mafia and more gangsters driving Porsche. So its actually a deadlocked thing.
Back to club babushka:
If you want to sit in this club you have to order a table. Actually I am ok with it, no problem, but they do it this way that you immediately feel ripped-off. Since there were no girls in which I could have been interested I did not take a table. Why should I, if there is nothing to go for? So this is very annoying, because if you dance and drink you cannot sit down and relax a bit.
Next: Shooters.
I arrived their late night. Metro is until 24. Then its stops. Thats why I was there like 23:30 (Friday). Complete empty. No girls, no party. Ok, I went out and I was actually thinking about giving it a next try and going there later, but then when I went out immediately taxi drivers were approaching me and hassling me. I was lucky, because I could take the metro back. So I did not have to deal with them. I decided to not go there again, because of this. Later in the night you are lost, since you need a taxi. And I don't want to make this experience, because you cannot only be ripped-off, but get into more dangerous situations.
Next Buddah Bar (Saturday late night, I was not advised to take the metro, since I could walk).
Actually a really nice bar! I was positive surprised. However: No people, especially no sexy girls. There were about a few couples, but almost the complete bar was empty. I had to pay no entrance fee (dress up for this bar to get entry) and I ordered a drink. Not so expensive, so until now a good thing. Because of the situation with sorry babushka I asked them if I have to order a table in order to sit down. They said no, only if there is a sign. I went upstairs and sat down. Well I enjoyed it a bit, since I had a nice drink in a nice bar, only thing was that there were no girls. So it was not like that the time I went there was not good, it was weekend late night and there were no girls! After a while a guy / employee from this bar was approaching me. What now happened was actually a very weird thing and I have never experienced a thing like this: he basically told me (in a bad english and he already felt ashamed about this as he told me) that after a certain time during weekend all tables have to be paid. So basically I should pay 500 hryvnia. Ok, no problem, but there were no girls. He noticed that I most likely won't pay (I did not say so) and he was very unsure in what he did. So he wanted my money, but he knew that it was clear that this was rip off. So I guess he was sent by management, but he was aware of the situation. He said something like "now you can sit, but later on if you want to continue sitting you have to pay 500 hryvnia". I just looked at him without saying something and I could feel that he was very uncomfortable with the situation. Then suddenly with a very desperate voice he said (because he realized that I wouldn't pay) "No 500 hryvnia, ok, sorry Sir, I know this is not good, no money Sir, you can sit here, it is not important, I am sorry for my bad english". I said ok, I would pay if there were girls. I can understand that they want to make money, but I said him (I already said before) that I most likely will just leave his bar. I think, because I said it already before and I always give good tip (also to barkeeper) he was really afraid that I would leave. So that's why I guess he was so weak in his try to rip me off the 500 hryvnia. Well I told him and I went. I left because there were no girls.
Next station Caribbean Club:
There were some people in front of this club and I thought oh great some party. I was suprised about the high enry fee (for ukrainian standards at least), because it was 250 hryvnia. I paid and entered and empty. Just empty. A few people at the bar, but empty. I thought like ok maybe you got the wrong time dude. So I stayed there very long. No people dancing and the people who have been there left. Oh. How disappointing.
So I checked: Buddah Bar, Shooters, Sorry Babushka and Caribbean Club. If you go, go to babushka. All others there were no parties and no girls.
It is quite simply: Sexy girls have left this country. I guess something like married turks or are just working abroad and sending back money. I admit they have a very strong attitude in taking on their chances. So they are not staying there and crying, but they leave their country and they seek greener pastures somewhere else. I don't know if I was this flexible if I would be in such a situation.
Of course this is just my experience. So maybe there are some mongers who say I am expert and you "just" have to speak the language, "just" get their mentalitiy and you will have great time there. Well, unfortunately not for me, but I have to admit, that my russian is poor (of course I also do not speak ukrainian).
While arriving at the airport was quite relaxed, it was very annoying to go back. Security has typically eastern-european mentality and they are simply not giving a fuck. "Scanning" your notebook / tablet (the airport where I departed in my home country of course did not do this, they ask before and check it separately, since it can be damaged) and not giving a fuck? Security personal which works at an airport, but has never seen other than russian and ukrainian passports and looking at the cover of your passport and discussing it for minutes while you are waiting, but they do not give a fuck? Security senselessly checking every part of your hand luggage, while you are staying there with a big water bottle in your pants pocket, but they are not realizing it and they only realized it when it dropped and rolled through the complete security area and only then they are seeing it and approaching you that you cannot take it in? Be prepared for this, all these small things sum up.
Of course its better there in summer. Of course if you speak russian you may want to give it a try during summer. But I think what is gone is gone and won't come back so quickly. Maybe there is a big recovery, but I don't think so.
So once again: I imagine that this was very extremely nice monger destination some years ago. Lots of very sexy girls looking for interesting contacts with weastern-european man. But now they are gone or are disappointed. Its over there. Time over. Game over. Nothing left, only dessert. Not worth going there.
At AntonioMontana,
I know that the board is designed to write opinions. But I do not think that exaggerations help anybody.
I am sorry you are disappointed about your trip. But you make it sound that the whole youth of Ukraine is non existent and all girls went of marrying Turks.
That's kind of big generalization.
To avoid being ripped off, pre-book a taxi service.
E. g. Web happygotaxi 25 euros fix from or to airport.
Reliable and with no headache.
The rates you got, with 300-400 UAH are local rates, so not sure why you are complaining.
In Rome, you will pay double as tourist as well.
The country is in a crisis, and actually at war. So, even though you do not see it in Kiev, people are well aware.
You will see a lot of young ladies at cafes and small bistros.
Money free mongering takes some effort).
Happy hunting.
LS
YellowPaul
11-15-15, 01:25
Hi,
I was in Kiev for almost a week.... So once again: I imagine that this was very extremely nice monger destination some years ago. Lots of very sexy girls looking for interesting contacts with weastern-european man. But now they are gone or are disappointed. Its over there. Time over. Game over. Nothing left, only dessert. Not worth going there.There is no doubt how bad Kiev these but can you give me a time line to what days and times you send to these clubs? Night life is primarily limited to Fri- Sat. Wed used to be ladies night at Shooters but things many have changed.
Surprised you did not try places like the D'Lux, Indigo or Skybar. Problems with lot of these places they have a mainly a regular crowd and mixed in with some working girls and it not easy spotting who is who sometimes.
Will be next week in Kiev. I will try some outcall services and give feedback on my results, if I manage to visit dlux, indigo or skybar, I will provide my impression. If somebody has some up to date and verified information on numbers of classified adds, please post.
Happy Hunting,
LS
AntonioMontana
11-15-15, 22:07
There is no doubt how bad Kiev these but can you give me a time line to what days and times you send to these clubs? Night life is primarily limited to Fri- Sat. Wed used to be ladies night at Shooters but things many have changed.
Surprised you did not try places like the D'Lux, Indigo or Skybar. Problems with lot of these places they have a mainly a regular crowd and mixed in with some working girls and it not easy spotting who is who sometimes.As I said I was there over weekend during times where there should be party.
At Leoas:
You are one of those I was expecting.
"The country is in a crisis, and actually at war. So, even though you do not see it in Kiev, people are well aware.
You will see a lot of young ladies at cafes and small bistros.
Money free mongering takes some effort). ".First of all I know that the country is on war. And you can very very feel it. There aren't so much young ladies in the cafes and small bistros left. Especially for such a large city you get more in european cafes and bistros. Furthermore these are not 8/10 9/10 babes. I can get average girls in bistros cafes here in western-europe.
Yeah have fun mongering there and paying 200 USD. Of course you get the offers, but no thanks, for 200 USD I get an absolute high class service here in western-europe.
I did not exaggerate and I did not want to damage the Ukraine.
I just wanted to show you that its not worth going there. For a high price (ticket + hotel + 100-200 USD) you get a (hopefully) good or very good experience. But for that amount you can get quite a lot in other european cities. Just look at FKK in Germany.
Furthermore I was very disappointed about the regular girls there. So as I said I was not looking for a 100-200 USD girl I just wanted to talk to some local average girls. But forget it, when they notice that you are a foreigner no chance to get on a normal level with them. They just see the dollars. But ok, I can understand it.
Good look and have fun! I wish you a better experience than I had.
AntonioMontana
11-15-15, 22:09
Oh and you say the*Lux and its difficult to see who is working girl or not:
At the*Lux every girl is working or will work for you. So no difficulties with that. I discussed with locals where to go and that's why I decided against the*Lux, because I wanted to have such a mixed audience and not solely working girls.
Oh and you say the*Lux and its difficult to see who is working girl or not:
At the*Lux every girl is working or will work for you. So no difficulties with that. I discussed with locals where to go and that's why I decided against the*Lux, because I wanted to have such a mixed audience and not solely working girls.I do not know. Maybe you just got used to the sex tourism in poor Asian countries. Where life is cheap and always summer and warm weather. Where life itself is cheap because of the climate. And sex working women just are crowds in the streets as a cow or a sheep.))) But Ukraine is not Asia. This cold expensive country. About the fact that all the sexy girls went to me ridiculous to read it. Such nonsense can write only European.)) you know how hard it is to get a Schengen visa for Ukrainians? Especially now. It's just funny to read. You use online dating sites or Facebook or VKontakte? There are hundreds of thousands of students.
LuisVega11
11-16-15, 11:26
At AntonioMontana,
I know that the board is designed to write opinions. But I do not think that exaggerations help anybody.
I am sorry you are disappointed about your trip. But you make it sound that the whole youth of Ukraine is non existent and all girls went of marrying Turks.
That's kind of big generalization.
To avoid being ripped off, pre-book a taxi service.
E. g. Web happygotaxi 25 euros fix from or to airport.
Reliable and with no headache.
The rates you got, with 300-400 UAH are local rates, so not sure why you are complaining.
In Rome, you will pay double as tourist as well.
The country is in a crisis, and actually at war. So, even though you do not see it in Kiev, people are well aware.
You will see a lot of young ladies at cafes and small bistros.
Money free mongering takes some effort).
Happy hunting.
LSI completely agree with you. This post of Montana show everything you don't need to do in Kiev.
That Kiev nightlife is lacking has been written 10000 of times. Kiev is for street work, meeting girl during date creating a base. Kiev is for those who have time and.
It needs lot of time to understand the mechanism. I was in September, compared to other time was not good from a scoring point, but I create a base of 6 8 girls, good quality, that I will meet.
Again now in November.
The lucky part of the post of Montana is it will discourage weekender and those who look for cheap paying to go Kiev, and that will only improve the situation, considering the low gryvna.
LuisVega11
11-16-15, 11:32
As I said I was there over weekend during times where there should be party.
At Leoas:
You are one of those I was expecting.
First of all I know that the country is on war. And you can very very feel it. There aren't so much young ladies in the cafes and small bistros left. Especially for such a large city you get more in european cafes and bistros. Furthermore these are not 8/10 9/10 babes. I can get average girls in bistros cafes here in western-europe.
Yeah have fun mongering there and paying 200 USD. Of course you get the offers, but no thanks, for 200 USD I get an absolute high class service here in western-europe.
I did not exaggerate and I did not want to damage the Ukraine.
I just wanted to show you that its not worth going there. For a high price (ticket + hotel + 100-200 USD) you get a (hopefully) good or very good experience. But for that amount you can get quite a lot in other european cities. Just look at FKK in Germany.
Furthermore I was very disappointed about the regular girls there. So as I said I was not looking for a 100-200 USD girl I just wanted to talk to some local average girls. But forget it, when they notice that you are a foreigner no chance to get on a normal level with them. They just see the dollars. But ok, I can understand it.
Good look and have fun! I wish you a better experience than I had.You miserably failed and now talk absolute statement.
Kiev is full and easy to meet a lot of interesting girl everywhere. 4 millions people majority beautiful girl.
Clearly you went only club, as said club situation is dead now, especially November, especially not talking any russian, especially for a weekend. What you expect? Girl in k res begging you talking with them?
I have more than 270 days in Kiev and still I can't say I know people there.
You should have gone to walk day stop girl in street commercial. Create a base for other trip. In a weekend in Kiev you only PAY, no way you can meet those girl you wanted me.
A lot of girl have left the country, but I repeat 4 million people and more now, there are pussy for all the western europe in Kiev, so yours are only excuse of who has failed, thought to fuck many girl and went home with dick in hand.
Personally I hope less tourist come in Kiev in the future,. It will be great, especially weekenders.
LuisVega11
11-16-15, 11:36
At AntonioMontana,
I know that the board is designed to write opinions. But I do not think that exaggerations help anybody.
I am sorry you are disappointed about your trip. But you make it sound that the whole youth of Ukraine is non existent and all girls went of marrying Turks.
That's kind of big generalization.
To avoid being ripped off, pre-book a taxi service.
E. g. Web happygotaxi 25 euros fix from or to airport.
Reliable and with no headache.
The rates you got, with 300-400 UAH are local rates, so not sure why you are complaining.
In Rome, you will pay double as tourist as well.
The country is in a crisis, and actually at war. So, even though you do not see it in Kiev, people are well aware.
You will see a lot of young ladies at cafes and small bistros.
Money free mongering takes some effort).
Happy hunting.
LSIf you call taxi using Uklon, you pay 250 Gryvna from Borispol.
LuisVega11
11-16-15, 11:39
At AntonioMontana,
I know that the board is designed to write opinions. But I do not think that exaggerations help anybody.
I am sorry you are disappointed about your trip. But you make it sound that the whole youth of Ukraine is non existent and all girls went of marrying Turks.
That's kind of big generalization.
To avoid being ripped off, pre-book a taxi service.
E. g. Web happygotaxi 25 euros fix from or to airport.
Reliable and with no headache.
The rates you got, with 300-400 UAH are local rates, so not sure why you are complaining.
In Rome, you will pay double as tourist as well.
The country is in a crisis, and actually at war. So, even though you do not see it in Kiev, people are well aware.
You will see a lot of young ladies at cafes and small bistros.
Money free mongering takes some effort).
Happy hunting.
LSKiev is full of girl. If somebody goes there and not score for me is ok, it can happen. If he not talk with any girl or not find interesting situation. Ii begin doubting. If he not see lot of girls. He has some problems. In western europe quality of girl is outrageous bot comparable, and in addition in Kiev if you look for normal looking girl it's easy to have a fuck in 2 3 meeting or less, in europe even ugly girl have attitude of top models. Kiev is to be lived at least 2 3 weeks a time, in a weekend you can only pay for sex.
I do not understand why you are so hard. This girl in Kharkov (Mamba. Ru) took 500 hryvnia (I can speak in Russian). But it is not Kiev.
http://vk.com/alobova2015
In general, a good girl, obedient, tried to do everything as you say, no complaints. Made a good blowjob, she offered to cum in mouth. Girth pussy tight, inside nice. Licks all around the penis. Great licks and sucks balls. First time rigidly fucked her in doggy style in pussy. Later I tried in the ass. She said that she was a little hurt. But then I slapped the entire depth of the hard and fast. I do not know, she liked it or not. But she was docile and obedient. Even a little moan (moaning in pain can? It looks 22-23 years. Student girl. A little strange girl. She said, -But you can not fool me with money? Probably someone has not paid her the money. (Local guys in Ukraine sometimes do that). A walk with her around the city, went into a cafe. Nice girl but a little shy and closed. It is working in sex when the island needs the money. Good nice ukrainian 7/10 girl, not top-model but no bad.
We need more reviews like this. Contact details, report on the experience and location, photos, price. All the rest is waffle.
I do not understand why you are so hard. This girl in Kharkov (Mamba. Ru) took 500 hryvnia (I can speak in russian). But it is not Kiev
http://vk.com/alobova2015
In general, a good girl, obedient, tried to do everything as you say, no complaints. Made a good blowjob, she offered to cum in mouth. Girth pussy tight, inside nice. Licks all around the penis. Great licks and sucks balls. First time rigidly fucked her in doggy style in pussy. Later I tried in the ass. She said that she was a little hurt. But then I slapped the entire depth of the hard and fast. I do not know, she liked it or not. But she was docile and obedient. Even a little moan (moaning in pain can? It looks 22-23 years. Student girl. A little strange girl. She said, -But you can not fool me with money? Probably someone has not paid her the money. (Local guys in Ukraine sometimes do that). A walk with her around the city, went into a cafe. Nice girl but a little shy and closed. It is working in sex when the island needs the money. Good nice ukrainian 7/10 girl, not top-model but no bad.
Thanks for the hint with Uklon Taxi.
BR.
LS
UrbanCowboy22
11-17-15, 23:40
Interesting Formula. In all of my travels, it almost appears to be true in a large majority of countries. Except on my last trip to Kiev. I missed a connecting flight in Germany, ended up taking the train to the center of Frankfurt. I found Mihaela, a tiny blonde spinner from Romania in the Love Haus at 44 Elbenstrasse. She did everything covered for 20 euros. It was so good that after lunch, I went back for another round but unfortunately her door was closed. So I visited her neighbor, another blonde from Romania who had a slightly bigger build for another 20 euros. I have never gotten a haircut in Kiev but I imagine it would be more expensive just like the girls if you do not speak the language. All of this leads me to my next question. Any idea where I can get a haircut in Germany next timefor 2 euros? Danke Schöand.
The simple formula of (multiplying the cost of a hair cut by Ten) to get the price of sex can be applied to get to get the price of sex in Kiev.
In Kiev it costs 99 Uah to get a standard hair cut in a expat area of Kiev.
" The price of Standard men's haircut in expat area of the city in Kiev is 99₴" . Sex = about UAH 1000.
https://www.expatistan.com/price/men-haircut/kiev
It proves the formula by the Author of the book " Ten times the price of a Hair cut" to be correct, Agricultural economist Will L be Bogarde.
Two things in Life have proved to be invariably true, the price of an ounce of gold has been always been the price of a good suite more or less, and the (Price Of a Good Fuck) is always (Ten Times) the Price of a Hair cut.
This goes back to Roman, Greek and even Egyptian times.
This Truth is known as the unviversal Copulation Constant, or if you happen to be an Economist The Shadow Price Of Pussy.
UrbanCowboy22
11-18-15, 00:15
So many terrible trip reports recently in Kiev. I imagine that its often similar to reading restaurant reviews, people often only comment when the service is bad but don't write anything when the food & the service are great. I was in Kiev recently & yes things have changed. It may never be what it once was but I assure you that its still better than any place worth visiting in the states. If you want easy, go to Germany. Kiev is for hunters & the girls are not throwing themselves at you like in the days of old but I like a challenge & have been rewarded on many occasions. As for places visited, I visited the Budda Bar on a Thursday night & it was empty. It was after midnight so after checking out the empty bar, quickly made a beeline for the exit & went to the Lux. It was busy, however mostly students on a Thursday night, weekends bring out a slightly older & sophisticated crowd. I didn't notice any working girls at the Lux, however this was on a Thursday night. I approached a few attractive girls & offered to buy them a drink but they declined & I clearly got the vibe they were not interested in anything more. It was getting late, so I decided to visit the infamous Rio. Entry was 200 uah & private dances started at 400 uah for 2 songs. Some of you may think, its a waste to spend 400 uah on a private dance. However, its often money well spent if you can find a girl that you click with & you can get a good idea of what kind of chemistry you may have for later. Got an amazing dance from a brunette named Asya & from a brunette spinner named Tina. I imagine both of these girls would be very fun to spend some time with. However it was very late, almost too late for take-out at this point so I called it a night. I stopped by a few of the salons near Kreschatyk but the addresses have changed. I'm not sure if the new police closed the old salons near Arena City & Baseina Street. You would never find these salons without the help of a local taxi driver. However, be forewarned that arriving to any of these salons with a taxi driver will get you an inflated price for the girls. Usually they quote $100 or more for one hour, (taxi driver is getting his cut) but I returned a day later & the price was now 1500 uah. Unfortunately I didn't find any of the girls working to my liking. The trip wasn't a bust however. I met a cam girl off the website MyFreeCams one day & brought her back to my hotel room. She was fun, 20 yr old blonde university student, cost was $100. She stayed two hours but then tried to get me to take her shopping later but I declined. The following day. I imported another girl from Dnepropetrovsk who also works as a cam girl on the MFC website. She stayed with me for two nights, truly beautiful girl. Complete GFE, never asked me for any $ but I gave her a few gifts. I was sad to see her go because its girls like this, that keep me coming back time & time again.
So many terrible trip reports recently in Kiev. I imagine that its often similar to reading restaurant reviews, people often only comment when the service is bad but don't write anything when the food & the service are great. I was in Kiev recently & yes things have changed. It may never be what it once was but I assure you that its still better than any place worth visiting in the states. If you want easy, go to Germany. Kiev is for hunters & the girls are not throwing themselves at you like in the days of old but I like a challenge & have been rewarded on many occasions. As for places visited, I visited the Budda Bar on a Thursday night & it was empty. It was after midnight so after checking out the empty bar, quickly made a beeline for the exit & went to the Lux. It was busy, however mostly students on a Thursday night, weekends bring out a slightly older & sophisticated crowd. I didn't notice any working girls at the Lux, however this was on a Thursday night. I approached a few attractive girls & offered to buy them a drink but they declined & I clearly got the vibe they were not interested in anything more. It was getting late, so I decided to visit the infamous Rio. Entry was 200 uah & private dances started at 400 uah for 2 songs. Some of you may think, its a waste to spend 400 uah on a private dance. However, its often money well spent if you can find a girl that you click with & you can get a good idea of what kind of chemistry you may have for later. Got an amazing dance from a brunette named Asya & from a brunette spinner named Tina. I imagine both of these girls would be very fun to spend some time with. However it was very late, almost too late for take-out at this point so I called it a night. I stopped by a few of the salons near Kreschatyk but the addresses have changed. I'm not sure if the new police closed the old salons near Arena City & Baseina Street. You would never find these salons without the help of a local taxi driver. However, be forewarned that arriving to any of these salons with a taxi driver will get you an inflated price for the girls. Usually they quote $100 or more for one hour, (taxi driver is getting his cut) but I returned a day later & the price was now 1500 uah. Unfortunately I didn't find any of the girls working to my liking. The trip wasn't a bust however. I met a cam girl off the website MyFreeCams one day & brought her back to my hotel room. She was fun, 20 yr old blonde university student, cost was $100. She stayed two hours but then tried to get me to take her shopping later but I declined. The following day. I imported another girl from Dnepropetrovsk who also works as a cam girl on the MFC website. She stayed with me for two nights, truly beautiful girl. Complete GFE, never asked me for any $ but I gave her a few gifts. I was sad to see her go because its girls like this, that keep me coming back time & time again.What is this: www.myfreecams.com?
Are all these girls in Ukraine?
You can video chat for free? No way! And see them in person for p4 p?
UrbanCowboy22
11-18-15, 05:52
The girls working on MFC are from all over the world. However, there seems to be a large majority from Eastern Europe. Ukraine, Russia, Romania, & other countries. Many girls work in studios but some independently. Not all girls are willing to meet. You have to build some sort of rapport with the girls. Often that involves spending money on tokens for private or Skype shows. Anyhow, you do get to see what the girls look like. No surprises such as might be the case when using websites like mamba. I've had some success on the site & met a few girls off there. A few really hot ones recently in Kiev and one last summer in Odessa.
What is this: www.myfreecams.com?
Are all these girls in Ukraine?
You can video chat for free? No way! And see them in person for p4 p?
Hi there!
I plan to visit Kiev soon, and speak fluent Russian. Please advise local agencies having young and skinny and beautiful locals. I hope that knowing the language can save me some cash, as prices in internet vary from 300 grivnas to 2000 grivnas per hour. I believe latter are for "experienced" ones who know languages and are western price hungry.
Also, any suggestions for 4-5 star hotels centrally located? And what is general policy there. Escort girl must be checked in / paid extra for visiting Hotel?
Any escort friendly hotels you could tell of.
Thanks in advance!
So many terrible trip reports recently in Kiev. I imagine that its often similar to reading restaurant reviews, people often only comment when the service is bad but don't write anything when the food & the service are great. I was in Kiev recently & yes things have changed. It may never be what it once was but I assure you that its still better than any place worth visiting in the states. If you want easy, go to Germany. Kiev is for hunters & the girls are not throwing themselves at you like in the days of old but I like a challenge & have been rewarded on many occasions. As for places visited, I visited the Budda Bar on a Thursday night & it was empty. It was after midnight so after checking out the empty bar, quickly made a beeline for the exit & went to the Lux. It was busy, however mostly students on a Thursday night, weekends bring out a slightly older & sophisticated crowd. I didn't notice any working girls at the Lux, however this was on a Thursday night. I approached a few attractive girls & offered to buy them a drink but they declined & I clearly got the vibe they were not interested in anything more. It was getting late, so I decided to visit the infamous Rio. Entry was 200 uah & private dances started at 400 uah for 2 songs. Some of you may think, its a waste to spend 400 uah on a private dance. However, its often money well spent if you can find a girl that you click with & you can get a good idea of what kind of chemistry you may have for later. Got an amazing dance from a brunette named Asya & from a brunette spinner named Tina. I imagine both of these girls would be very fun to spend some time with. However it was very late, almost too late for take-out at this point so I called it a night. I stopped by a few of the salons near Kreschatyk but the addresses have changed. I'm not sure if the new police closed the old salons near Arena City & Baseina Street. You would never find these salons without the help of a local taxi driver. However, be forewarned that arriving to any of these salons with a taxi driver will get you an inflated price for the girls. Usually they quote $100 or more for one hour, (taxi driver is getting his cut) but I returned a day later & the price was now 1500 uah. Unfortunately I didn't find any of the girls working to my liking. The trip wasn't a bust however. I met a cam girl off the website MyFreeCams one day & brought her back to my hotel room. She was fun, 20 yr old blonde university student, cost was $100. She stayed two hours but then tried to get me to take her shopping later but I declined. The following day. I imported another girl from Dnepropetrovsk who also works as a cam girl on the MFC website. She stayed with me for two nights, truly beautiful girl. Complete GFE, never asked me for any $ but I gave her a few gifts. I was sad to see her go because its girls like this, that keep me coming back time & time again.Great report I will be heading to Dnepropetrovsk next week, can you share the girls details? (from MFC).
Thanks in advance.
Moski.
Infinity99
11-18-15, 18:27
Hi there!
I plan to visit Kiev soon, and speak fluent Russian. Please advise local agencies having young and skinny and beautiful locals. I hope that knowing the language can save me some cash, as prices in internet vary from 300 grivnas to 2000 grivnas per hour. I believe latter are for "experienced" ones who know languages and are western price hungry.
Also, any suggestions for 4-5 star hotels centrally located? And what is general policy there. Escort girl must be checked in / paid extra for visiting Hotel?
Any escort friendly hotels you could tell of.
Thanks in advance!I have been gone from this forum for a few years. However, I have been spending extensive time in Ukraine, and now finally have had some time to make some trip report posts and also assist some fellows here with their trips. You could at this point say that I know Ukraine (Kiev) inside and out.
Regarding this specific question. Escorts is somewhat tricky. I would suggest going on mamba and easily arranging whatever you wish there. Yes it may take a bit of time, but the rewards are much greater and price is much lower. Otherwise, there is an escort / brother almost in every building in the center of Kiev at this point. Finding them on the net isn't hard, but it's a lottery ticket with quality.
As for hotels. I don't recommend them. Privacy wise it's not really an issue, but in Kiev it's much better as you likely know to stay at apartments. I have used the same agency for many years at www.kievapts.com - they are great and the prices are probably about 1/4 of what a five star hotel is, not to mention total privacy and what you get for your money. Others I can suggest are also kievrent.net and there are many others if you want to find them.
Finally, for now I will leave with the fact that if you know what you are doing, you can easily obtain 8's-10's in Kiev, in basically any nightclub for a price of a 5 at this point. Now that I have some time, I will within next few days post some reports and perhaps some photos and also be glad to assist anyone here.
Interesting Formula. In all of my travels, it almost appears to be true in a large majority of countries. Except on my last trip to Kiev. I missed a connecting flight in Germany, ended up taking the train to the center of Frankfurt. I found Mihaela, a tiny blonde spinner from Romania in the Love Haus at 44 Elbenstrasse. She did everything covered for 20 euros. It was so good that after lunch, I went back for another round but unfortunately her door was closed. So I visited her neighbor, another blonde from Romania who had a slightly bigger build for another 20 euros. I have never gotten a haircut in Kiev but I imagine it would be more expensive just like the girls if you do not speak the language. All of this leads me to my next question. Any idea where I can get a haircut in Germany next timefor 2 euros? Danke Schand.You could get a partial hair cut for the price of (2 euros), and you didn't One hour of sex for 20 euros Either, was the sex for 20 minutes ,10 minuts??
The price in the formula is based on One hour of sex =10 times the price of a hair cut. At FKK club the price for sex is 100,120 euros for one Hour.
Here are the 10 euros hair cuts in Frankfurt.
Cheap but quality men's haircut in Frankfurt.
http://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/176144-cheap-but-quality-mens-haircut-in-frankfurt/
Following offer such services for 10 EUR -.
Medeni (red yellow color shop) in Taunusstraße.
Salon city (orange color shop) in Münchener Straße.
Frisuer salon image (again orange color shop) in Münchener Straße.
Golden Schere haar studio (blue color shop) in Münchener Straße - there are 2 of it on either side of street.
Star frisuer salon in Münchener Straße - not sure if its still there.
C & M. GROße Eschenheimer Straße - little over 10 EUR.
There is one new Buenavista restaurent in GROße Eschenheimer Straße. Its little over 10 EUR. But you can negotiate the price if its less work.
Theres one in Galeria of the Hessen center. I think the charges for men are. Trimming with machine - 10 bucks, and othwerwise - 14 bucks. Including styling etc. The place seems to be decent.
Here in NYC / Manhattan a cheap haircut will be $25, and you can easily find yourself paying $60 if you're not careful.
$600 is good estimate for a reasonable hot outcall (yes, absurd, I agree). Very difficult to find FS for $250. It's mostly massage places (bad massages, LOL). America=sex prison.
Here in NYC / Manhattan a cheap haircut will be $25, and you can easily find yourself paying $60 if you're not careful.
$600 is good estimate for a reasonable hot outcall (yes, absurd, I agree). Very difficult to find FS for $250. It's mostly massage places (bad massages, LOL). America=sex prison.LOL. Interesting link here which shows the Cheapest Hair cut in The US according to this survey is to to be found in The (Castro area) of San Francisco. No comment.
"" The Price: $18-$20 depending on the tip.
The Loyalty Factor: "I've been going to the same guy in the Castro at a shop called Male Image for the past year," he says. "The place has a sign that still apologizes for the time they raised the price of a cut from $15 to $18. Back in 1997. ".
Are You Paying Too Much For Your Haircut? http://www.gq.com/story/haircut-cost-barber.
Interesting Formula. In all of my travels, it almost appears to be true in a large majority of countries. Except on my last trip to Kiev. I missed a connecting flight in Germany, ended up taking the train to the center of Frankfurt. I found Mihaela, a tiny blonde spinner from Romania in the Love Haus at 44 Elbenstrasse. She did everything covered for 20 euros. It was so good that after lunch, I went back for another round but unfortunately her door was closed. So I visited her neighbor, another blonde from Romania who had a slightly bigger build for another 20 euros. I have never gotten a haircut in Kiev but I imagine it would be more expensive just like the girls if you do not speak the language. All of this leads me to my next question. Any idea where I can get a haircut in Germany next timefor 2 euros? Danke Schand.LOL. Any idea where in Germany one can get one hour sex for 20 euros?
You could get a partial hair cut for the price of (2 euros), and you didn't get One hour of sex for 20 euros Either, was the sex for 20 minutes, 10 minutes?
The price in the formula is based on One hour of sex =10 times the price of a hair cut. At FKK clubs the price for sex is 100,120 euros for one Hour.Brothels in Germany where its " All you can Fuck " not included in this Formula such as " The King George Brothel in Berlin opens at 4 PM, Monday through Sunday, excluding the Christmas Holidays. For €99 ($135) you can stay there until dawn, when the first street cleaners are passing, and drink as much as you like and have sex as much as you like with Klaudia, Katja, Petronella, Alina, Barby, and whichever of the 27 staff members are perched on the velvet stools or the leather booths beneath the many red lights next to the bar.
http://forum.wikisexguide.com/topic/3020-brothels-and-sauna-fkk-clubs/
One of my favorite fun places in Kiev used to be Roksolana massage. I really had great times there with some hot girls who were students working during their holidays or weekends.
When I was a newbie on this forum back in 2009 I posted on one such great experience complete with the girl's name as I didn't know at the time the unwritten etiquette regarding such places.
Very promptly I had a PM from a senior member and Kiev veteran at the time telling me off for outing the girl in question by naming her and he was quite right, " every Fucker in Kiev will be after her now ". And I still remember his words or something similar as I went back to Kiev the following month and she was gone.
And there was another hot student there who had the most amazing Ass and she used it for the grand Finale by sliding it up and down on my Dick for the happy Ending.
I used to be a regular there and once mutual attraction was established the girls were happy to visit me outcall and I had more than a Happy Ending.
Here is the link, anyone been there recently and if so what was it like?
http://roksolana-massage.com.ua/
In their words on the link is the real clue to get the best out of the Massage Experince and not just at Roksolana " Erotic massage includes not only massage by naked body, but also creation favorable and confidence atmosphere between client and girl, who tries to make it. ".
I might add I liked their location and its just upthe road from O Brien's Irish Pub which I like as in the words of some reviews " this is a large bar, it is separated into two floors and 5 separate areas. Usually full of people from many countries and of many different ages. Foods good (very large portions), beers cold, staff speaks English. One of the more popular pubs in Kiev. Live music on the weekends, but not too loud and very well received.
And the best part you do get to meet few semi pros there as well and they speak English (they have to) , here is a review by a Ukrainian " Ukrainians feel themselves as foreigners here. A lot of people from abroad, always crowdy and noisy. Wonderful athmosphere and a great location few steps from Kiev's heart. Independence Square. ".
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294474-d1008364-r125502720-O_Brien_s_Irish_Pub-Kiev.html
Here in NYC / Manhattan a cheap haircut will be $25, and you can easily find yourself paying $60 if you're not careful.
$600 is good estimate for a reasonable hot outcall (yes, absurd, I agree). Very difficult to find FS for $250. It's mostly massage places (bad massages, LOL). America=sex prison.The more I think of it re the hair cut price formula, the more I think it makes sense but of course prices are not set in stone and it varies depending on Location, Real Estate prices, etc.
Manhattan is in a league of its own.
Few weeks ago I had my Hair cut in Houston Texas and it was $27 .
And according to this research in the link the average price is $28 . http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/02/28/what-america-pays-for-a-haircut.
"What America Pays for a Haircut.
Data from Square show the average price of a haircut in the USA ".
"Data from Mobile Payment company Square show that the average haircut for men costs $28 nationwide. ".
Ten times that and you get the average price for sex but of course prices vary and I found the cheapest lays are in Houston as rents are also much cheaper, sex $$ and even lower on few occasions.
NightButterfly
11-21-15, 17:18
How great it was to be back in Kiev. Last time was during European championships football in 2012 and that was really too long time to miss one of my most beloved cities. When business meetings were over, I had a good rest until my mood and energy levels were high enough to explore Kiev nightlife ☺ I tried to score first some freelance working ladies in the notorious pick up joints like DLux and Shooters. I was out of luck and also through a local dating site Mamba I only found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust. I decided to give it a try with Rimma: http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma , I saw her pictures before on escort directory sites and I was already fascinated by the way this Ukrainian escort vamp described herself in original funny way and of course her appearance since I have a weak spot for redheaded women ☺. I invite her to come over to my place, near Arena and Kreschatik in the centre. She is a very self-assured lady, experienced and playful. A sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour and a naughty mind. She has a good education and she has a firm opinion on many things going on in her country. Don't worry about her English, you can talk with her for hours but I guess that is not only what are you looking for when meeting Ukrainian ladies ☺ In bed she really knows what she wants but she also has a good sense for what a man likes. I think we had a wild sexy session with several rounds for at least 1. 5 hour and we both came multiple times. This was definitely one of the best GFE sessions with an escort girl ever.
How great it was to be back in Kiev. Last time was during European championships football in 2012 and that was really too long time to miss one of my most beloved cities. When business meetings were over, I had a good rest until my mood and energy levels were high enough to explore Kiev nightlife ☺ I tried to score first some freelance working ladies in the notorious pick up joints like DLux and Shooters. I was out of luck and also through a local dating site Mamba I only found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust. I decided to give it a try with Rimma: http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma , I saw her pictures before on escort directory sites and I was already fascinated by the way this Ukrainian escort vamp described herself in original funny way and of course her appearance since I have a weak spot for redheaded women ☺. I invite her to come over to my place, near Arena and Kreschatik in the centre. She is a very self-assured lady, experienced and playful. A sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour and a naughty mind. She has a good education and she has a firm opinion on many things going on in her country. Don't worry about her English, you can talk with her for hours but I guess that is not only what are you looking for when meeting Ukrainian ladies ☺ In bed she really knows what she wants but she also has a good sense for what a man likes. I think we had a wild sexy session with several rounds for at least 1. 5 hour and we both came multiple times. This was definitely one of the best GFE sessions with an escort girl ever.Rate per hour.
200 $.
Rate per 2 hours.
300 $.
How great it was to be back in Kiev. Last time was during European championships football in 2012 and that was really too long time to miss one of my most beloved cities. When business meetings were over, I had a good rest until my mood and energy levels were high enough to explore Kiev nightlife ☺ I tried to score first some freelance working ladies in the notorious pick up joints like DLux and Shooters. I was out of luck and also through a local dating site Mamba I only found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust. I decided to give it a try with Rimma: http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma , I saw her pictures before on escort directory sites and I was already fascinated by the way this Ukrainian escort vamp described herself in original funny way and of course her appearance since I have a weak spot for redheaded women ☺. I invite her to come over to my place, near Arena and Kreschatik in the centre. She is a very self-assured lady, experienced and playful. A sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour and a naughty mind. She has a good education and she has a firm opinion on many things going on in her country. Don't worry about her English, you can talk with her for hours but I guess that is not only what are you looking for when meeting Ukrainian ladies ☺ In bed she really knows what she wants but she also has a good sense for what a man likes. I think we had a wild sexy session with several rounds for at least 1. 5 hour and we both came multiple times. This was definitely one of the best GFE sessions with an escort girl ever.Rate per hour.
200 $.
Rate per 2 hours.
300 $.
http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma
How great it was to be back in Kiev. Last time was during European championships football in 2012 and that was really too long time to miss one of my most beloved cities. When business meetings were over, I had a good rest until my mood and energy levels were high enough to explore Kiev nightlife ☺ I tried to score first some freelance working ladies in the notorious pick up joints like DLux and Shooters. I was out of luck and also through a local dating site Mamba I only found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust. I decided to give it a try with Rimma: http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma , I saw her pictures before on escort directory sites and I was already fascinated by the way this Ukrainian escort vamp described herself in original funny way and of course her appearance since I have a weak spot for redheaded women ☺. I invite her to come over to my place, near Arena and Kreschatik in the centre. She is a very self-assured lady, experienced and playful. A sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour and a naughty mind. She has a good education and she has a firm opinion on many things going on in her country. Don't worry about her English, you can talk with her for hours but I guess that is not only what are you looking for when meeting Ukrainian ladies ☺ In bed she really knows what she wants but she also has a good sense for what a man likes. I think we had a wild sexy session with several rounds for at least 1. 5 hour and we both came multiple times. This was definitely one of the best GFE sessions with an escort girl ever.This is blatant spam and probably posted by Rimma herself.
Rimma operates a bunch of fake profiles. When you send a message to one of the fake profiles, you'll get a link to Rimma's website and pricing. I have a thing for redheads and this is why I know it. A good example is "Irina Sweetie" on TopEscortBabes. Crazy Rimma even set up a fake website for her fake profile!
http://irinasweety.escortbook.com/ - I'd be weary of hiring a girl that operates like this. You may end up waking up to a missing wallet and jewelry.
This is blatant spam and probably posted by Rimma herself.
Rimma operates a bunch of fake profiles. When you send a message to one of the fake profiles, you'll get a link to Rimma's website and pricing. I have a thing for redheads and this is why I know it. A good example is "Irina Sweetie" on TopEscortBabes. Crazy Rimma even set up a fake website for her fake profile!
http://irinasweety.escortbook.com/ - I'd be weary of hiring a girl that operates like this. You may end up waking up to a missing wallet and jewelry.+ US $ 200 . LOL What a greedy girl.
Suka Shalava
11-23-15, 13:31
I found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust.
I was fascinated by her original funny way and of course her appearance, experienced and playful sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour.
She has a good education and a firm opinion on her country, you can talk with her for hours. This was the best GFE session ever.
Rimma-job,
If you want more dates, especially here on ISG with these demented mongers who prefer Kiev tramps, instead of all the fancy personality dribble, just go with the basics. You might even get a call from IT Travel!
"She really prefers deep throating on her knees with a blindfold, cum-gurgling, ball-sucking, swallowing, and many hours of hard anal. Her other preference is bukakke and salad tossing. What a special lady!"
For the holiday, you could add: "And for Thanksgiving, she'll do herself with a turkey drumstick and even let you eat it afterwards :-)"
How great it was to be back in Kiev. Last time was during European championships football in 2012 and that was really too long time to miss one of my most beloved cities. When business meetings were over, I had a good rest until my mood and energy levels were high enough to explore Kiev nightlife ☺ I tried to score first some freelance working ladies in the notorious pick up joints like DLux and Shooters. I was out of luck and also through a local dating site Mamba I only found overpriced girls of agencies which I usually do not trust. I decided to give it a try with Rimma: http://www.slavic-companions.com/international-erotic-services-nightlife/ukraine/kiev-escorts-call-girls/sexy-rimma , I saw her pictures before on escort directory sites and I was already fascinated by the way this Ukrainian escort vamp described herself in original funny way and of course her appearance since I have a weak spot for redheaded women ☺. I invite her to come over to my place, near Arena and Kreschatik in the centre. She is a very self-assured lady, experienced and playful. A sparkling personality blessed with a mouth watering body, beautiful face, witty sense of humour and a naughty mind. She has a good education and she has a firm opinion on many things going on in her country. Don't worry about her English, you can talk with her for hours but I guess that is not only what are you looking for when meeting Ukrainian ladies ☺ In bed she really knows what she wants but she also has a good sense for what a man likes. I think we had a wild sexy session with several rounds for at least 1. 5 hour and we both came multiple times. This was definitely one of the best GFE sessions with an escort girl ever.One can also talk with Rimma for Hours at US $200 an hour?
Does Rimma offer Rimming?
Rimma-job,
If you want more dates, especially here on ISG with these demented mongers who prefer Kiev tramps, instead of all the fancy personality dribble, just go with the basics. You might even get a call from IT Travel!
"She really prefers deep throating on her knees with a blindfold, cum-gurgling, ball-sucking, swallowing, and many hours of hard anal. Her other preference is bukakke and salad tossing. What a special lady!"
For the holiday, you could add: "And for Thanksgiving, she'll do herself with a turkey drumstick and even let you eat it afterwards :-)"Welcome back, Suka. Miss your posts such as this.
Also, don't forget to include for Rimma-job's next interlude with the ever-needy AColon-izser here in Kiev, that she will have to open up her anal cavity for a good fisting as well as get pissed on. I can't think of anyone more deserving for such as treatment as this spammer.
TexasMorrell
11-24-15, 14:26
Blocked for a second time! This time they blocked my phone number and IP address so I can't sign up again. I don't understand why they do that. If someone is offended by what you say they can block that person. There's no reason to block an entire profile from accessing the website. Anyway, is there an alternative to mamba that's not run by nuns?
Blocked for a second time! This time they blocked my phone number and IP address so I can't sign up again. I don't understand why they do that. If someone is offended by what you say they can block that person. There's no reason to block an entire profile from accessing the website. Anyway, is there an alternative to mamba that's not run by nuns?User another browser, use another phone-number, use another email-addy, register on one of the other mamba sites (for example flirt.com.ua).
Next time don't ask about sex for money in the first message and don't offer money to the girls if you are not sure that they are prostitutes.
TexasMorrell
11-24-15, 21:46
User another browser, use another phone-number, use another email-addy, register on one of the other mamba sites (for example flirt.com.ua).
Next time don't ask about sex for money in the first message and don't offer money to the girls if you are not sure that they are prostitutes.Yes you are right but I did not do that. At most I asked if they wanted a sponsor. Very tasteful and respectful. Their profiles also say they want sponsor so its very strange. I will try one of the other sites.
On a side note, I found a student for tonight. 9/10 on the body and 8/10 on face. I am convinced that older women fuck better. They have more experience. She was only 21. She was awesome to look at but you could tell she didn't know what she was doing. I seem to have that same experience with the younger ones. The best sex ever had was with a 40-year-old woman. Anyway concentrate on the future there's a lot more to be had on this trip.
All, I'll be in Kiev Wed-Sat this week. Staying city centre (visiting a friend).
If anyone wants to meet up for a drink (visit to Rio?) shoot me a pm.
Regards.
FJ.
BoomBoomBoom
11-25-15, 01:22
Is Gia the only agency / website that will reliably send the girl in the pictures?
My work here in Kyiv has kept me rather occupied as of late and I haven't had time to pursue a regular girlfriend so I've been working the internet for university chicks to sponsor. Mamba is a gong show, as usual, but I've had some success recently on other sites. I met an 18-year old blonde who, although a little on the heavy side, is terribly pretty with perfect tits and always eager to please. Not a fan of the slightly chubby girls but she only asks me for 1000 UAH per visit and could not be sweeter. Can't go wrong with a blonde-haired, blue-eyed teen who gives a long, loving BJ and produces a pretty, tight pussy for only 40 bucks. She is always up for meeting and always lets me enjoy her fully. I've seen some photos of her friends on her VK account. I'm considering throwing out the idea to her of a threesome with one of them for more money.
However, I have been sponsoring another university girl here since summer on and off. A little more expensive at 2000 UAH but, like the aforementioned girl, is a little rocket in bed. Definitely worth more than what I pay her but as she is off the grid she probably has no idea what a deal she's giving me. She comes and goes in my life depending on when she needs money and when I'm available to meet. I'll post a photo of her below. She is a little conservative in the sack; no anal or cumming in her mouth or face. She absolutely refuses to let me take a nude photo of her, even when I offer her extra cash. However, she lets me do whatever else I want, including putting her over my knee and spanking her hard before sex. During sex she lets me toss her around and rough her up a little and I call her every name in the book when I'm fucking her. I think she likes it. She keeps coming back for more. Some girls just go through the motions but I think she genuinely enjoys being fucked by an older man. The last time we were together she asked me to lick her little asshole which was a new experience for me. She doesn't speak a word of English but we still have a great time together.
I have a few other irons in the fire such as a chick from Russia who is moving to Ukraine this winter. We've had discussions about her coming to Kyiv to stay with me. An absolutely knock-out with the nicest ass I have seen in a long time. No idea what she will be expecting as payment for a week together, but I can imagine she won't be cheap. As well, there is a regular girl I know here who I will meet for coffee this weekend. Very pretty and 22-years old. Could be sponsorship material or even a regular girlfriend. Not sure yet. Anyway, it's getting cold here in Kyiv but I'm finding ways to stay warm!
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