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Stevie69
03-18-16, 19:56
Yes, universities in the entire FSU are full of incredibly beautiful young women. I respectfully disagree with one point. Your chances of getting together with one of these sweet university students is 100 %. If you refuse to pay, many are looking for a good man, so you can play that, if you happen to be there for a significant length of time. If not, they can be had quite cheaply. They need money as much as anyone else. Furthermore, given that they constantly surrounded by so many other beautiful girls, they do not realize their true value.


All politics aside, your video scene is a just a snapshot of what plays out for any typical day in the normal life at EVERY university and institute from Vladivostok to Lviv, Murmansk to Sevastopol, and every other FSU city in between.

You would already know that, and not be laughing your ass off about it, if you had already been lucky enough to have taught or have been invited many times by professors there to speak to classes at different institutions. This was my good fortune, for several years, from ten to fifteen years ago in eastern Ukraine.

I do not deny, that in the beginning, I was also overwhelmed by the magnitude of the attractiveness of these ladies. You need to check yourself though, as that awe rather quickly fades when you face the reality that your chances are basically zero to ever hook up with 98% of them, unless you happen to be Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt. For me, friendships were easy, but I made the personal choice not to take advantage of that and lower myself down to baseless urges of filthy mongering. For me, meeting a lady that was a student of my professor friend, or of the teachers I knew that invited in to their classes, was more about maintaining a level of respect and possible long term serious relationships that could lead to getting married. In other words, this can be a place where you find a person of quality. I did pursue some of the ladies I met this way, but always as a gentleman, out of great respect for the teachers. You don't shit where you eat, as they say..

Traveller22
03-19-16, 08:24
Yes, universities in the entire FSU are full of incredibly beautiful young women. I respectfully disagree with one point. Your chances of getting together with one of these sweet university students is 100 %. If you refuse to pay, many are looking for a good man, so you can play that, if you happen to be there for a significant length of time. If not, they can be had quite cheaply. They need money as much as anyone else. Furthermore, given that they constantly surrounded by so many other beautiful girls, they do not realize their true value."if not, they can be had quite cheaply".

Did you manage to sponsor some of them or is it just a supposition? From my experience, FSU students became proud and demanding those days.

Suka Shalava
03-23-16, 12:34
Your chance of getting a sweet university student is 100 %, if you happen to be there for a significant length of time.

If not, they can be had quite cheaply. They need money as much as anyone else.

Furthermore, given that they constantly surrounded by so many other beautiful girls, they do not realize their true value.

Obviously, with a significant length of time the chance of success always increases, because it allows for more chances to first fail and then learn HOW to succeed. But the only 100% guarantees are reserved for Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt!

Understand that in any group of ladies at these places we are discussing, you must expect that the 8's, 9's, and 10's already have drawn the attention of local guys, so you should also expect that local guys are their preference, as that is what is expected by their peers.

Having an affair with a foreigner for financial support is a big risk of their reputation being ruined, if anyone found out. You may only be there for a few weeks and then you're gone, but they aren't going anywhere. They have no place to go other than to face their friends after you've left.

If an affair can be kept discreet enough for a lady to maintain her reputation, then you have your chance.

You are correct that there are ladies who truly underestimate their loveliness, as its normal for most local guys to treat them as just plain janes.

Riina
03-24-16, 14:21
Obviously, with a significant length of time the chance of success always increases, because it allows for more chances to first fail and then learn HOW to succeed. But the only 100% guarantees are reserved for Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt!

Understand that in any group of ladies at these places we are discussing, you must expect that the 8's, 9's, and 10's already have drawn the attention of local guys, so you should also expect that local guys are their preference, as that is what is expected by their peers.

Having an affair with a foreigner for financial support is a big risk of their reputation being ruined, if anyone found out. You may only be there for a few weeks and then you're gone, but they aren't going anywhere. They have no place to go other than to face their friends after you've left.

If an affair can be kept discreet enough for a lady to maintain her reputation, then you have your chance.

You are correct that there are ladies who truly underestimate their loveliness, as its normal for most local guys to treat them as just plain janes.Good post Suka. I think as traveling hobbyists we underestimate the importance of a girl's reputation. Devs could fly stealth before the days of FB and VK. That said, you always have to remember that Ukrainians love secret friends.

Tomek123
03-24-16, 15:50
Good post Suka. I think as traveling hobbyists we underestimate the importance of a girl's reputation. Devs could fly stealth before the days of FB and VK. That said, you always have to remember that Ukrainians love secret friends.Yes, many girls have regular guys but do not have enough money. Young guy in Ukraine can not in most cases be a good sponsor. It's just a friend or loved one, and sex partner. So foreigners in Ukraine has always have a good chance for the abuse of young girls. Also in the big cities of Ukraine girls less careful. They are less afraid of losing reputation and more looseness.

Muddy7
03-26-16, 03:33
I know this is not a easy question but what is considered a fair monthly amount for sponsorship?

I have my current girl in Kharhov, who I need to be available when I need and not have restrictions due to work to meet when I want.

She is making $350 US a month and lives with her parents (so no rent) but seems reluctant since she knows this way she would become totally dependant on me. I offered her $500 US a month.

Any advice from guys that have done sponsorship with Ukrainians or Russians would be appreciated.Her salary is $350, you want her to leave her work? And offering $500 a month? Maybe its not a good idea.

Also right now 1 dollar is 26 grn, are you willing to pay more later like $1000? Who knows maybe a year from now its 13-1.

I met a girl in Kiev, she makes only 4500 grn every month, working in a restaurant as an administrator, her rent is 2500 gn, I'm thinking of offering her 7000 grn / month, wonder what she would say.

I think you need to think in terms of grn not dollars.

DudeNextDoor
03-26-16, 07:47
Do you really know if she makes 350 usd in her vanilla life? I bet she makes 3500 UAH tops. I met a young engineer girl in Odessa. She lived with her parents. She did not even make 3500 uah a month including over time at her 5 year experience full time engineer job.

I have 2 advice:

1) remember Ukranian girls are smart and can lie any moment and you would not feel about it. Dude, you are not in Kansas city anymore!

2) By sponsoring her, you are making her life more colorful. Taking her to fancy dinners, staying with you in a high end flat or 5 star hotel. Drinking top notch wine with you etc etc. Just pay her cash in grivnas weekly. Each week just enough to buy a dress or a shoe. She will keep coming back!

I know 500 usd is about 1 hour time with an escort in USA but remember being in a very poor country, act accordingly! Your Money will make wonders in Ukraine. Enjoy it!


Her salary is $350, you want her to leave her work? And offering $500 a month? Maybe its not a good idea.

Also right now 1 dollar is 26 grn, are you willing to pay more later like $1000? Who knows maybe a year from now its 13-1.

I met a girl in Kiev, she makes only 4500 grn every month, working in a restuarant as an admiinistrator, her rent is 2500 gn, I'm thinking of offering her 7000 grn / month, wonder what she would say.

I think you need to think in terms of grn not dollars.

StrawBoy
03-26-16, 15:18
As far as I know, Everyone in Dominican Republic makes at least 200 dollars a month. It is easy to have sex with a good looking young girl for 40 dollars.

In Ukraine, people make so much less than Dominican Republic. But the girl is way more expensive. My friend just came back from Kiev, and every girl wants at least 100 dollars if she is young and attractive.

It seems insane to me.

Regards.


Do you really know if she makes 350 usd in her vanilla life? I bet she makes 3500 UAH tops. I met a young engineer girl in Odessa. She lived with her parents. She did not even make 3500 uah a month including over time at her 5 year experience full time engineer job.

I have 2 advice:

1) remember Ukranian girls are smart and can lie any moment and you would not feel about it. Dude, you are not in Kansas city anymore!

2) By sponsoring her, you are making her life more colorful. Taking her to fancy dinners, staying with you in a high end flat or 5 star hotel. Drinking top notch wine with you etc etc. Just pay her cash in grivnas weekly. Each week just enough to buy a dress or a shoe. She will keep coming back!

I know 500 usd is about 1 hour time with an escort in USA but remember being in a very poor country, act accordingly! Your Money will make wonders in Ukraine. Enjoy it!

Mombie75
03-26-16, 18:05
As far as I know, Everyone in Dominican Republic makes at least 200 dollars a month. It is easy to have sex with a good looking young girl for 40 dollars.

In Ukraine, people make so much less than Dominican Republic. But the girl is way more expensive. My friend just came back from Kiev, and every girl wants at least 100 dollars if she is young and attractive.

It seems insane to me.

Regards.Yes on my trips to Kiev in the past the girls do not go cheap, they know they are stunning for the most part so they do not give it up easily, I had a couple of 8/10 and both charged $80 for an hour and 2-3 pops.

LuisVega11
03-26-16, 19:33
If you go tourist place, talk with girl already fucked by thousand guy in their life, go to arena mostly. Yes they ask you 100 or more especially if you are not anything to write home or they don't like you.

Personally I doubt you can have 8-10 for 100 dollar. People always say 8-10 but they have not idea what 8-10 in Kiev are. Most 8-10 don't walk in the street or go arena.

For 80 you can have good girl. Stunning maybe for you.

This is for pay only.

But.

Kiev is full of stunning girl undiscovered. 18 19 girl, that with make up and fancy dress became stunning to the eyes of the casual tourist. Clearly to meet this girl you must go outside center, work hard in the street. Most of this girl don't even ask money, or just some in case they need. You need time and skills. Is the same going in smaller city or less touristic.

Anyway 100 dollar for some girl in Kiev are nothing and really not comparable with Cuban or Dominican girls.

Traveller22
03-26-16, 21:20
I am afraid that "thanks to" the social networks and their thousand of thirsty admirers worlwide, those pretty Ukrainian girls know perfectly well their market value now, notwithstanding the current very poor economical situation of the country.

How14
03-27-16, 08:00
As far as I know, Everyone in Dominican Republic makes at least 200 dollars a month. It is easy to have sex with a good looking young girl for 40 dollars.

In Ukraine, people make so much less than Dominican Republic. But the girl is way more expensive. My friend just came back from Kiev, and every girl wants at least 100 dollars if she is young and attractive.

It seems insane to me.

Regards.More utter bullshit on here, do any of you have a clue what's going on in Kyiv? All girls not $100, unless your a mug, and plenty of you on here are mugs, there are plenty of $50 8/10 girls out there FFS, you are all still whining on about mongering in Russia etc etc, writing Ukraine off as expensive, and "no quality girls here anymore" is ridiculous, of course, you all go looking in the wrong places, now you talk about students, etc, to get on the case with students, you need time, and you need a game. As far as I can see here it looks like you are all ready to quit Ukraine. Ukraine is cheapest its ever been.

Stevie69
03-27-16, 10:00
In my experience, they are one of the best options. When I visit Kiev, I try to spend some time during the day around Taras Shevchenko University. I find the girls are gorgeous, friendly, eager to practice their English and can be persuaded to join you at your apartment for under 1000 UAH. No sponsorship necessary. My impression is that they are surrounded by so many beautiful girls every day, and no men, that they do not realize their value and yes, they actually think they might make a connection with you, and yes, a little money is great. Of course, it helps if you happens to be youthful, even if a little older. If you have no game and they are not attracted to you int he least, then yes, they will try to charge you top dollar.

[853413]"if not, they can be had quite cheaply".

Did you manage to sponsor some of them or is it just a supposition? From my experience, FSU students became proud and demanding those days. [ / QUOTE].

Riina
03-28-16, 21:39
I am afraid that "thanks to" the social networks and their thousand of thirsty admirers worlwide, those pretty Ukrainian girls know perfectly well their market value now, notwithstanding the current very poor economical situation of the country.Yes, many many admirers. My twenty year old friend has about two hundred Turks blocked on her VK profile. Try to find that kind of interest in Latin America.

DexterLaster
03-30-16, 08:14
Reading these "reports" for different cities across the globe are starting to take a toll on me. Why is it all you people do is argue about your notions and perceptions. Oh the girls don't want a sponsor because of their reputation. Oh girls know their value from all the turk fanboys.

What a bunch of irrelevant horse shit. How can you possibly try to make such blanket assertions of humans in any country. Every country has a working girl who fucks men for $10, every country has women who won't fuck you for $1000. Some care about love, some care about money, some care that you have a 6 pack, and some just want to you to speak their fucking language. Can you people start posting more "reports" and less "my dick is bigger than yours" arguing about stupid shit. I have to go through 6 pages to find a real report with actual useful information. Maybe we can make a sub section for these cities where you guys can go and argue and stop polluting the report sections.

Esatikkanen
03-30-16, 23:18
So I met up with Dominika who is listed on Gia website. I found her on mamba and recognized her photos. We worked out $150 for the night. She came over and face was pretty but she gained 25 lbs since the photos. In any event I was pretty drunken and decided to go with it. Face fucked her, lots of gagging,. Blow a load in her mouth.

Then she starts with all I=kinds of games. "I can't find the one you gave me", "my mother will kill me if I come home with no money", call Gia agency and order me and then cancel (which I don't understand at all. But that ever). She was crying and saying "please help me. I have no money" and then going crazy in Russian, threatening me. She didn't know I understood. Luckily she saw a patch on my jacket that made it clear I was a military advisor and she asked what it was. When I said, "you know exactly what it means an who I work with" she left without any further drama. Luckily she didn't call my bluff. I'm not sure what the group I advise would actually do, but t was enough to gather out the door. \.

So, in any event, if you come across Lika on mamba, think she is hot, realize that she is working for less than Gia (Dominika) charges and think its a good deal, please know that she got fat and is 100 percent nuts. On the other hand, she did let me face fuck her for 2 hours and finish in her throat.

If anybody has a sure thing for reasonable cash. Please let me know! After this shit show, I need a normal working girl.

Esatikkanen
03-30-16, 23:22
5000 Hryvnia for 6 1/2 hours from 10:30 to 5:00? Wow, it does seem war weighs heavily.I saw Natasha 2 days ago. If you click the link, it does up as natalia now. She is as described. Chatterbox, great BBBJ. But 2 things, she is 35-36 years old. Look smiley but she isn't a young hard body. She is pretty but look tired. Talks a lot about her son which doesn't exactly turn me on. Also, she didn't bring condoms and I was out. She said we could bang as long is I pulled out. I declined. I am to keen to bareback a broad I jest met. But, for the price she is really nice, decent looking, and can give great head.

Member #4491
03-31-16, 01:14
Aleksej was a friendly taxi driver. +380 67 392 7533. English is OK.

Ha can take you to apartments. I promised him I would try to generate some business for him, since I was broke after a long night at Shooters and could not pay for the ride, only the poonani (1500 UAH).

There is one apartment on Basseina that I wrote about in a previous post so no need to go very far.

B

Suka Shalava
03-31-16, 08:30
Reading about perceptions on girls is a bunch of horse shit.
All you people do is argue irrelevant shit and blanket assertions.
Who fucks for $10, or won't fuck for $1000.
I have to go through 6 pages to find useful information.
Can you start posting more "reports" with actual useful information and stop polluting the report sections.



Yes, its true, the propensity of members posting opinions contrasted with the lack of useful info over here in the FSU sections, compared to country boards like Spain, and many Asian and South American sections that have great detailed info on places to find ladies, their prices, and how the ladies rated, is clear and obviously leaving you quite frustrated. But this is nothing new. This trend goes back here not for just 6 pages that you mentioned, but for 106 pages!

There are ex-pats living or working in the FSU that will offer specifics from time to time, like when a pick-up joints get hold or cold, but I can assure you that in 20 years of following the board, the most useful info you'll find in the FSU will be what you find for yourself through trial and error out in the real world on your own adventures, and not in cyberspace. If you find that advice isn't useful to you, or you want to say that further pollutes the board with even more horse shit, well, that's just another opinion in this long list.

On the other hand, you don't really have to look any farther than Barba's post today. If and when you do arrive in Ukraine or some other motherland destination, you really should find yourself a friendly taxi driver to get you connected with some ladies, whether you want, as you say, the $10 junkie who sucks off truck drivers from Bulgaria, or a strip club fake-boobs scammer to fleece you out of $1000.

Taking a chance asking for some assistance with a friendly cab driver could result in getting you introduced to a mamachka that provides ladies for a police chief! Or bring you to a van in a parking lot full of ladies of the evening. Or across town to the train station to meet a mamba sponsorette. Or to salons, or saunas, or just plain nasty apartments with tramps.

LuisVega11
03-31-16, 14:50
Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment. Is a total waste of time and money. Never understood why. At the end you spend more than going to an FKK and probably the quality is much lower. Cause the gem in Kiev cost 10 times the FKK girls. Looks the Rio girl. Now more than 350 dollar.

In addiction all those nerds who come to Kiev to meet pro met in mamba destroyed all the Aurea that ringed the foreigners.

Never understood also I watched all the photo here. And really never see something I'd call a 7. Mostly cheap girl. Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?

Riina
03-31-16, 16:44
Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment. Is a total waste of time and money. Never understood why. At the end you spend more than going to an FKK and probably the quality is much lower. Cause the gem in Kiev cost 10 times the FKK girls. Looks the Rio girl. Now more than 350 dollar.

In addiction all those nerds who come to Kiev to meet pro met in mamba destroyed all the Aurea that ringed the foreigners.

Never understood also I watched all the photo here. And really never see something ID call a 7. Mostly cheap girl. Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?Kiev fans don't care too much about hardened hoes.

Jojosun
03-31-16, 17:10
Aleksej was a friendly taxi driver. +380 67 392 7533. English is OK.

Ha can take you to apartments. I promised him I would try to generate some business for him, since I was broke after a long night at Shooters and could not pay for the ride, only the poonani (1500 UAH).

There is one apartment on Basseina that I wrote about in a previous post so no need to go very far.

BTrust our friend Barba to post straight to the point info. No waffles and lecturing there on what to do with our dicks and how much to spend.

Member #4491
03-31-16, 22:22
Going to Kiev to go with prostitute meet in mamba or some ugly apartment.... Really cannot understand this. In your country you don't have prostitute?LuisVega,

I think it has been established many times that Kiev is not like "before", and that Germany is better for FKK and commercialized sex due to it's status of legality. I would also advice anyone to fly to Kiev or Ukraine only for meeting prostitutes. It is generally a waste of time and money.

What we discuss here is not however Kiev is better than Germany or any other place, but rater how, who and where for the ones who do choose to actually go to Kiev for some reason.

One can assume that just because the visiting brothers does not choose to post the pictures here, we all hit the occasional subjective ten-pointer every now and then, also in Kiev. They are everywhere for someone and nowhere for everyone.

Esatikkanen, you have an email with four Mamba profiles that are reliable "normal working girls", as requested in your post.

Have fun and be a gentleman.

Barba

Jojosun
04-01-16, 17:12
I think it has been established many times that Kiev is not like "before", and that Germany is better for FKK and commercialized sex due to it's status of legality.

What we discuss here is not however Kiev is better than Germany or any other place, but rater how, who and where for the ones who do choose to actually go to Kiev for some reason.

One can assume that just because the visiting brothers does not choose to post the pictures here, we all hit the occasional subjective ten-pointer every now and then, also in Kiev. They are everywhere for someone and nowhere for everyone.

BarbaCouldn't agree more.

Kiev is not like before, and who on here is like before?? And if you talked with guys, ex mongers of a certain age who were stationed in Germany (US Military) late 60's,you would've got told, that mongering in Germany was better before as the girls were German and the best part of mongering then in the olden days was being picked up by very attractive girls in shiny Mercedes cruising some streets in Frankfurt, some even parked at street corners.

Anyone here can confirm that?

Nothing like what it is today in Frankfurt when it comes to street sex " Street prostitution is legal in Frankfurt in one part of the town, called the tolerance zone. This is in the two parallel side streets of Theodor-Heuss-Allee (between Galvanistrasse and Kreuznacher Strasse), directly north side of the Frankfurt fair. The side street leading out of the town also has a few transsexuals. Rates are starting at 25 Euro for full play, but can also be lower depending on the urge of the lady. There is a much lower chance to find prostitutes, if it is daytime, not exhibition or very cold outside".

We talk about what's in Kiev and how to hit on Ukrainian girls, semi pros, sponsoring and someone would even tell you to " Ditch Kiev " and head to one of the weirdo sounding republics,. Stan in Asia as you get pussies there very cheaply compared to Kiev. "Full sex + Golden Rain" there is only US $ 30 there, any takers?

Riina
04-01-16, 22:50
Couldn't agree more.

Kiev is not like before, and who on here is like before?? And if you talked with guys, ex mongers of a certain age who were stationed in Germany (US Military) late 60's,you would've got told, that mongering in Germany was better before as the girls were German and the best part of mongering then in the olden days was being picked up by very attractive girls in shiny Mercedes cruising some streets in Frankfurt, some even parked at street corners.

Anyone here can confirm that?




Since Riina mentioned Frankfurt, I thought I'd chime in.

Decades ago, Germany had the most organized sex trade I ever saw. Naturally, everything was regulated up the keister, and legal in designated areas.

A couple of Frankfurt memories:

*In the legal sex-trade areas, there would be really hot women driving around in high-end vehicles, like Porsches. Just like reverse streetwalking. Gave the nod to one once and she takes me back to her apartment for knookie. Then, drives me back. Imagine that on Cicero.

*"Dated" one hottie for months. One day she says "I won't be around as of next week. " Why? I asked. "I'm going to prison for murdering my BF. " Okay.

Plus all the other cities, Hamburg, Cologne, Munich.

Amazing in the day.A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.

Jojosun
04-01-16, 23:20
A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.Thank you very much Riina for the link confirming it was actually true. I posted this request for info re above on many threads years ago but never heard anything to confirm.

Jojosun
04-02-16, 00:10
A member posted the above on the Chicago thread about a month ago. Sounds like dream come true.LOL. Now Germany is swamped with Romanian girls you'd probably find them driving around Frankfurt in Dacias "Once the butt of car jokes, demand for cheap, reliable vehicles have helped Dacia become Europe's fastest-growing brand".

Dawn of the Dacia.

SgtBoyle2
04-06-16, 09:18
Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.

Stevie69
04-07-16, 11:41
I truly do not understand why everyone is so down on Kiev. The girls are beautiful to watch and can be had for a reasonable price. I think we had settled long ago (check the forum) that the price for sex is about (1) 10 times the price of a haircut, (2) the price of your hotel per night, or (3) the price of 3 dates. Of course, the quality of your haircut, hotel and dates might vary. Nevertheless, in Kiev, that comes up to about 1000 UAH. , 2000 UAH is you want to go high class. Hard core VIP professional girls (like in Gia) start at 2000 UAH, and remember, half of that goes to the agency. Regular girls, whether students, secretaries, engineers, receptionists, nurses, administrative assistants, teachers, etc) earn 3000 to 5000 uah per month. Unless you are a fat and ugly mofo, you hsoudl be able to get a beautiful girl for around 1000 without much problem.

It helps when you go often, and of course, when you live there. I go 3 or 4 times per year, and I usually have some contacts form the previous visit, and work on some new ones (50/50 ratio is good).

I wrote an extensive report a while back and I will not repeat myself. Others have said as much. Day game is important. A confident approach is essential. Polite flirtation will grease the wheels. Money will seal the deal.

If a women likes you a little, but figures you will not stay around for marriage, she might still want to have sex. Women are human. One week's pay (1000 UAH) will definitely sweeten the deal for her. Of course, if you have no charm and are the fattest and ugliest mofo in the planet, you will have to pay a lot more.

I will be back soon, and afterwards I will write a comprehensive report for the naysayers and novices out there.

LuisVega11
04-07-16, 15:26
Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.Soviet girl and Ukrainian are the princess of scumming. In Kiev now there is an angry industry of angry girl who want everything in a third world country without working. They are ready for all. After maiden changed everything in worst, the more I go there the more realize they are like European girl but more angry now. The are poor and want iPhone fur Dior all. Because some idiot from Europe or Ukraine bought that to their friend.

This girl you chat in mamba is a professions of scum. She posted in mamba,. Then forced you to go in web chat just to see if your behavior are commanded by head or dick. I see dick. Then she will meet in Kiev and make you give her money for pussy. She's not serious.

The only girl series in girl are those with good family, very small %, and girl coming from village. The rest is a hole to be fucked and nothing more.

InsomniacTales
04-07-16, 18:34
Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.Doesn't sound like a scam and what you see is probably what you get. Probably. But expect to pay up and don't get too attached. I got scammed just once and that was by the visioneve dating agency. I was a novice on my first trip and they fleeced me 200 euro and didn't fix any dates. Your cam girl seems genuine and she will be spinning a dozen like you. At least she's upfront. Literally! Last year I spent a few weeks on and off with one, student, early 20's, then when she thought I was wandering off she emailed me and asked for 5 k dollars for her 'fathers medical treatment'. When I replied that my friends run a medical charity and would fly him out for treatment and asked for his medical reports to pass along, she went very coy and shy. So even the sweetest looking ones have history, often lots, and even the freebies get greedy when they see all their friends milking us.

Good luck!

SgtBoyle2
04-07-16, 20:29
Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay €300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.

Jojosun
04-08-16, 17:28
Thank you Luis.

You make an interesting point. Personally I don't mind paying for the right girl I just wasn't sure if there were any additional charges. I stay in high end hotels and l expect to pay high end prices for my girls as well as my accommodation. If the said lady was just checking that I'll pay then for me that's no different than presenting your credit card when you check into a hotel. I respect her professionalism.

Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay 300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.

I agree with you that Ukrainian women are angry. I think the whole of Ukraine is angry. They were promised the West but have been left with nothing.

Personally I'm just looking for the right deal for me. Right girl, right price I am happy. Each to their own.Very well said. From what you say, you will meet what you want in Kiev. The only scam by Mamba girl I can think of is being taken to a really expensive restaurant on your first dinner date (A restaurant of her choice, but you can check prices first) and she would take her % cut as a kickback, But so what, if she is to your liking and you're willing to pay if it leads on to sex?

Even if this turns out to be a scam, then lesson is learned and there are plenty of Mermaids left in the Dnipro for you to dip your toes into the water.


Kiev is full and easy to meet a lot of interesting girl everywhere. 4 millions people majority beautiful girl.

A lot of girl have left the country, but I repeat 4 million people and more now, there are pussy for all the western europe in Kiev..

Jojosun
04-09-16, 12:53
. The only scam by Mamba girl I can think of is being taken to a really expensive restaurant on your first dinner date (A restaurant of her choice, but you can check prices first) and she would take her % cut as a kickback, so what, if she is to your liking and you're willing to pay if it leads on to sex?.How a dinner date in a Kiev restaurant could turn into an expensive scam. Personally I've never been scammed in Kiev or Donetsk.

2 Places to avoid anyway, Kaiserhof and Tarantino Grill according to tripadvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Kiev Scam".

Review of Kaiserhof.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Complete Scam".

Review of Tarantino Grill & Wine Bar.

Requests for gifts and additional expenses by Mamba girl are at your discretion and how to handle the situation if she brings up the subject.

Suka Shalava
04-09-16, 14:47
With only a rare exception, such as Jojo's advice from Szczecin, pretty much from Albania, to Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Bosnia, Croatia, Baltics, Georgia, Moldova, and Serbia, if you read what members are posting as of late, the common theme seems to be a major lack of success to find opportunities for getting acquainted with above average non-pro ladies to establish GFE sponsorships.

There seems to be no lack of beautiful ladies in these places, endless streams of pretty pedestrians on their way somewhere, in cafes, night spots, and shops, etc. , but if what is posted is accurate, they're unfortunately always just out of reach eye candy for non-oligarch visitors, or in other words, us.

Themes tend to revolve around being ripped off at strip clubs for expensive drinks, unfriendly dancers, massage joint hand jobs, and women uninterested in pleasure, but instead intent upon emptying men's wallets defiantly trying to have it all. I would suspect that many members posting from these countries must have been there for business, and so they didn't have any choice to travel elsewhere.

But for anyone that does have a choice, once again I'll encourage you to think out of the box, to venture beyond the commonly traveled paths, eastward to the source. Russia is far from perfect. Putting too much of your trust in the wrong person can be a dangerous minefield waiting for you to make a misstep to blow off your legs.

But on the other hand, there are so many more normal average nice people willing and pleased to have positive friendly relationships, if you show them respect, some admiration, and if you are consistently generous. The investments of your time, efforts, patience, and sponsorships can lead to the GFE rewards that are clearly not evident in the vast majority of what is posted west of Russia's borders.

Melmoths
04-09-16, 17:29
I visited 3 massage parlors, 2 of them were scams.

- Allure massage has a promotion: Nuru for only 1000 UAH.

On the internet it looks like a top class parlor with lots of options and girls, but in reality it's just a low level appartment with 2 girls in their mid thirties, maybe even above 40.

As for nuru one didn't even know what it was but was ready to do it. No nuru gel, no air matress anywhere, it would have been performed with just oil. So an oil massage of 1 hour for 1000 by a 40 yo woman. I said no thanks and left.

- Dolly massage: prices look interesting, but there were 4 girls which were 5 or 6's. I still chose one, took the 1 h30 classical + ero + kiss formula for 650 UAH. The girl performed a 15 minutes classical and then a handjob. No kiss. Then she left for 10 minutes, came back, told me to take a shower, I did, then she said she wanted a shower too, left for 15 minutes, and when she came back she said the massage was over and that I could go.

I left quite angry for waiting 40 minutes for nothing. I paid for 1 h30 and got 30 minutes. When I left at 7 PM there were more girls and better looking. Maybe I just picked the wrong one.

- Moulin rouge. Here it's more expensive, but at least you get what you pay for. It's a 30 minutes walk away from maidan whereas the 2 others were very central. But it's in a well decorated modern appartment. I first negociated with the manager, I decided to have a 1 hour massage with 2 girls for 1500 uah with touch and kiss. Then she introduced 5 girls, I picked Anya and Margo, who I'd rate 7 or 8's. The massage truely lasted 1 hour, the gitls were were friendly, almost GFE, they performed a very good 4 handed massage, then great bodyslides.

I fist came during the bodyslide, then I had a second shot while caressing their butts breasts and pussies. Great experience. The pictures on their websites are all real. Note that they have several websites and the prices and offers are not the same so it's important to negociate well before the massage. VIPbodymassage is the same place. I tipped both girls 200 UAH.

CheetahKiev
04-11-16, 03:43
I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.

CheetahKiev
04-11-16, 03:51
Kiev local tour guide + taxi driver + body guard service.

I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.

TheWhatever
04-11-16, 12:22
Hotel + plane prices are really attractive for Kiev, but is it the right time to go in May?

Also any way to make my Mamba profile verified? I tried 1000 x times the phone number sms thingy but I never received a code.

Unless you know something similar to mamba for Kiev?

Jonathan Pine
04-11-16, 23:04
KD3,

.........I I have the deepest regrets that in far too many instances, I failed to take other chances to succumb to unreasonable requests of extreme greed when I had opportunities. What I mean is that, Irina had no reason to think I was a walking ATM, but she took a chance, knowing I was weak. In other instances, when I got acquainted with ladies that were not at all experienced having affairs with a foreigner, I failed by hesitating and as a result, probably missed out on what could have been the best experiences I might have ever had.

These were chances I initiated on my own, and at the crucial moment, sitting at a cafe, or at my place sitting on the sofa, in the midst of having normal conversation, instead of trying to continue with a friendship kind of relationship, at the crucial moment, I typically failed to extend a ridiculous sponsorship offer for them to have an affair with me, that could have been accepted. Opportunity missed. So sure, I may now still have that money in some mutual fund account or such, but those chances will never come my way again. Those ladies were not ordinary, they were all 10's. I let them all slip through my hands, for a lack of damn-the-torpedoes fiscal foolishness.

That's why I find myself once again, encouraging you readers to go and invest your fucking guts out, under the right circumstances of course, but be overly generous when this kind of opportunity falls in your lap. Otherwise, later on, you will regret it.

You can't take it with you, right? Think about how helpful $500, or $1000, or even $1500 could make a nice little difference for some struggling lady in a pinch? Weigh that against the insignificance of dying with that pittance in your last will!Totally agree. Inspiring words.

One will absolutely fall in Russia, but one gets up and keeps going. It's how Russia works. It's the most difficult country in the world but can also be the most rewarding. Nothing is impossible in Russia which is why we love this country.

So what's $500, $1000 in the grand scheme of things? It's nothing. And it might make a huge difference now given the exchange rate.

Jojosun
04-12-16, 12:38
Hotel + plane prices are really attractive for Kiev, but is it the right time to go in May?

A?Very good time. Look at the weather chart, today is sunny and nice. http://weather.edition.cnn.com/weather/intl/forecast.jsp?zipCode=443393557575.

Poker Player 2
04-12-16, 20:10
Greetings,

Just returned from a 8 day holiday in Kiev. I knew it was going to be a good trip when there was no queue at the Immigration line at the airport and I had my steady girl providing her considerable oral skills within 65 minutes of me arriving in the country. The only problem with my steady girl, who is an absolute gem or pig depending on your outlook, is that she has now decided she wants a serious relationship with me. As a punishment, I did not see her again on this trip and told her that I was busy. I had some other plans anyhow. I invited two girls from out of town to live with me in my apartment for a nominal fee. One girl was great, the other one got sent home within 12 hours. I consider that a success. I also met a mamba girl who having spent a couple of years in Yorkshire, England had an annoying accent and even worse, she gave very bad head with the excuse that she is not a pro. The weather turned much warmer after the first few days and was 23 C when I left. I also visited Rio which was interesting as probably 70% of girls were new and I had not seen them when I last visited three months ago. I spoke with one of the managers at RIO who confirmed that they have a lot of new girls. I had a private with a very thin blonde who was new and she gave a very lousy lap dance. Entrance to RIO is 300 UAH and privates are still 400 UAH.

Riina
04-13-16, 02:26
Greetings,

Just returned from a 8 day holiday in Kiev. I knew it was going to be a good trip when there was no queue at the Immigration line at the airport and I had my steady girl providing her considerable oral skills within 65 minutes of me arriving in the country. The only problem with my steady girl, who is an absolute gem or pig depending on your outlook, is that she has now decided she wants a serious relationship with me. As a punishment, I did not see her again on this trip and told her that I was busy. I had some other plans anyhow. I invited two girls from out of town to live with me in my apartment for a nominal fee. One girl was great, the other one got sent home within 12 hours. I consider that a success. I also met a mamba girl who having spent a couple of years in Yorkshire, England had an annoying accent and even worse, she gave very bad head with the excuse that she is not a pro. The weather turned much warmer after the first few days and was 23 C when I left. I also visited Rio which was interesting as probably 70% of girls were new and I had not seen them when I last visited three months ago. I spoke with one of the managers at RIO who confirmed that they have a lot of new girls. I had a private with a very thin blonde who was new and she gave a very lousy lap dance. Entrance to RIO is 300 UAH and privates are still 400 UAH.Do you know if the new girls at Rio are real hookers or just decoys to window dress the club?

I would suspect with all the world visas given now to Ukrainians that those less lucky throughout country are itching to make their move to the capital. I hope we see more positive reports here for the summer.

Seattle66
04-14-16, 07:23
Why do so many Ukrainian women have tattoos? Is there any significance to them? Just an observation, even women on the dating sites have them.

Putologist
04-14-16, 16:35
Why do so many Ukrainian women have tattoos? Is there any significance to them? Just an observation, even women on the dating sites have them.IMO, they want to show the world that they are "West" oriented, and this is one way of showing it even without words.

As oppose to Russian women (who live in Russia at least), which mostly don't use tattoos or piercings.

Regarding the dating websites, well, if a woman has self confidence enough to be on a dating site, a tattoo is not a big deal at all.

Riina
04-14-16, 19:17
Guys, Il be in Kiev mid May. Does anybody have any insight into Partner Guest House? Seems a good option for apartment rentals.

Timmy011
04-14-16, 19:59
Guys, Il be in Kiev mid May. Does anybody have any insight into Partner Guest House? Seems a good option for apartment rentals.I have stayed with them few times and every time was ok. Go for it. They have reception on Baseina, very easy to find it, where you pick up keys if you come during the day. If you come late during evening or night, somebody can wait you near apartment. They can also organize airport transfer, but I never try that for now.

My chosen apartments were as in photos, clean, secure, no hassle with them at all.

Misterxxx
04-15-16, 15:16
Guys, Il be in Kiev mid May. Does anybody have any insight into Partner Guest House? Seems a good option for apartment rentals.Partner Guest House is one of the best and a reliable agency. The office in the Baseina Street is open until 22:00. Airport transfer was always on time (usually I arrive in the night). I used the agency 50+ times. If you have any questions about a special apartment. Pm me. Because not all apartments are really new and some of them have a problem with the water (big rainshower or jacuzzi but they only installed a small hotwater tank).

TheKnight
04-20-16, 23:11
An early GF of mine was on smotri, com long before Chaturbate existed.

No reason to think it is a scam. Other than now she knows her worth, and you could spend a lot more than a younger student would ask for.

Just take the usual precautions, and fix the deal before you end up spending many $ for no poonani.


Wondering whether my brother mongers have had any similar experiences. Due in to Kiev at the end of the month and so duly started the trawl through Mamba. Making little headway, it's getting tougher, when I got a reply from an attractive (8/9) lady in her mid 20's. Chat then followed and she seemed like a regular girl, no mention of money and happy to just talk. She asked me to send further photos which I did and then when I asked for her to send me some she suddenly announced she was a webcam model. Sent me her link but made it clear it was up to me whether I looked. Well of course I couldn't resist although I've never been into the web cam scene. I have no objection to P4P when it comes to Mamba girls.

She turns out to be even more beautiful in the flesh.

Still writes to me as before and says she's keen to meet for dinner as we previously agreed. In all respects seems a true find but worrying if I'm missing something. Is this just another scam? Have other mongrels similar experiences? It's a new one on me.

Iceberg27
04-21-16, 22:24
Me and one of my friend was there for Kiev Salsa Spring Festival. Rented an apartment on Vlodky Vasilivska Street. It was 200 total for two bedroom and one guestroom. 4 days. Quite nice. I got a freebie from Tinder. And had a dinner with another. My only regret is not to push so much on Freebie action. I was in a desperate and lousy mode when I have arrived there but I scored easily with a Ass. Prof from National Academy. I had dinner in the Stupid Georgian Restaurant on The Vlodka Vasililvska Street and such a good restaurant doesn't have alcohol to serve. Can you believe? Thanks god I have convince the professor to come to my apartment and shared a bottle of Champagne. I didn't ignored the P4 p scene. I went to Penthouse because it was just a few blocks away of my apartment. I will always remember the small elevator guy or woman maybe I am not sure. The only authanticity with this place is this eleavator thing. I am not sure even it is going horizontally maybe just closing and opening door. Or maybe I was so drunk. I really didn't like the place. It doesn't deserve the Penthpouse name. Very small and less number of girls. None of them gave me a sheet while I was sitting there. THen I decided to move Rio but taxi driver told me it is closed on 5 o clock. And as you can guess offered me a salon drive and stupid me accepted. The salon was also one block away of my apartment. There was a selection of 5 girls mostly 7 and 8. I picked one of them for 100 USD which was double price of market rate. She was ok but no DFK and no BBBJ. These are all killing my mood.

Next day I made some RTFF and headed to Star Nosorog Strip Club. Even the I was one of a few customers. (It was a very slow day) a 19 years old stripper brighten my day with her passionate DFK's and all the other. The only missing things was oral and penetration during this 400 GRV private dance session. She sat me few for maybe an hour with 2 orange juice. She also insisted to have Champagne and idiot me said no because I was thinking 800 GRV was only for one glass. Juice was 250 GRV and I paid 750 GRV for 3 of them. On my last day I again go to Star Nosorog and another 19-20 years old sticked me. Since I was so saturated after my freebie action I rejected her. It was also due to she need a shower. But as far as I understand it is always possible there to have a nice company of 20 years old girls with a small money. I went to Rio at about 3 o clock on Monday night. It was changed since my last visit on 2010. What is the logic separating all the place and make 5-6 small strip clubs instead of one big? I felt so boring there. The bill came as written by hand and about ten percent service was written. I didn't like that. There are nice strippers but they are just after popular guys there. I will visit Kiev once more I think but will push more on freebie scene. My friend dated with 6-7 girls and make love with 2 of them and 1 handjob from another.

Regards.

CzarNicholas
04-21-16, 23:57
Me and one of my friend was there for Kiev Salsa Spring Festival. Rented an apartment on Vlodky Vasilivska Street. It was 200 total for two bedroom and one guestroom. 4 days. Quite nice. I got a freebie from Tinder. And had a dinner with another. My only regret is not to push so much on Freebie action. I was in a desperate and lousy mode when I have arrived there but I scored easily with a Ass. Prof from National Academy. I had dinner in the Stupid Georgian Restaurant on The Vlodka Vasililvska Street and such a good restaurant doesn't have alcohol to serve. Can you believe? Thanks god I have convince the professor to come to my apartment and shared a bottle of Champagne. I didn't ignored the P4 p scene. I went to Penthouse because it was just a few blocks away of my apartment. I will always remember the small elevator guy or woman maybe I am not sure. The only authanticity with this place is this eleavator thing. I am not sure even it is going horizontally maybe just closing and opening door. Or maybe I was so drunk. I really didn't like the place. It doesn't deserve the Penthpouse name. Very small and less number of girls. None of them gave me a sheet while I was sitting there. THen I decided to move Rio but taxi driver told me it is closed on 5 o clock. And as you can guess offered me a salon drive and stupid me accepted. The salon was also one block away of my apartment. There was a selection of 5 girls mostly 7 and 8. I picked one of them for 100 USD which was double price of market rate. She was ok but no DFK and no BBBJ. These are all killing my mood..Hi,

Can I ask about your trip in Kiev? Any help please?

Sean EZ
04-22-16, 12:03
Anyone on the ground today / tomorrow PM me. Looking for a buddy to hit some clubs.

S.

Jojosun
04-22-16, 15:40
The latest "European Commission. Press release.

European Commission proposes visa-free travel for citizens of Ukraine.

Brussels, 20 April 2016" https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=x8j1VKeyEdHUaqicgJgC#q=visa+free+for+ukraine.

Unlike my regular Donetsk girl, I am not so excited.

They reckon it will come into effect by Sept. " The European Union could lift visa requirements for Ukrainians by the second half of 2016".

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/ukraine-edges-closer-to-visa-free-regime-with-eu-404227.html.

Riina
04-22-16, 19:22
The latest "European Commission. Press release.

European Commission proposes visa-free travel for citizens of Ukraine.

Brussels, 20 April 2016" https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=x8j1VKeyEdHUaqicgJgC#q=visa+free+for+ukraine.

Unlike my regular Donetsk girl, I am not so excited.

They reckon it will come into effect by Sept. " The European Union could lift visa requirements for Ukrainians by the second half of 2016".

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/ukraine-politics/ukraine-edges-closer-to-visa-free-regime-with-eu-404227.html.Pure lip service.

Jojosun
04-23-16, 14:09
Pure lip service." http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/659825/Dutch-referendum-EU-Brussels-Uk".

Senior EU source said: "It may look as if we're ignoring the Dutch voters, but we have to keep our word to Ukraine, which has met the conditions."

The confirmation comes after European leaders including Angela Merkel and Francois Hollande indicated within hours of the Dutch result being announced that Brussels was likely to simply ignore it."

Albanians already enjoy visa free travel to the EU and Albania is a lot poorer than Ukraine.

http://www.politico.eu/article/albania-bosnia-get-visa-free-travel/

JGomez90
04-23-16, 15:08
Kiev local tour guide + taxi driver + body guard service.

I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.Do not contact CheetahKiev.

You do certainly not need a body guard here in Kiev if your staying in the main areas. I guess if you were going into the woods somewhere or a shady alley in some bad part of Kiev then I suppose some bodyguard would be needed.

I've walked the streets 1 am-3 am and everything is perfectly fine in the main area of Kiev. $100 dollars a day just to see the apartment girls are crazy. My "pimp" (which is what I call him) does the exact same thing without the bodyguard stuff and shows to me apartment flats free of charge (I'm guessing he gets a cut from the babushka there). I only have to pay around 800-1500 grivna for the girl I choose. Plus if I don't like any of the girls in the apartments then he will show me to other places free of charge without any problems. He just gets his cut from the babushkas that are showing off the girls.

I would not see this guy if I were you. Just pm me or another ISG member and we'll get you a contact. That is what another ISG member did for me and I would gladly help out any other members on here. My "pimp" would most certainly like more customers so I'll be glad to give out his info if you PM me.

Iceberg27
04-24-16, 17:56
Hi,

Can I ask about your trip in Kiev? Any help please?Help for what?

YellowPaul
04-24-16, 19:39
Do not contact CheetahKiev.

You do certainly not need a body guard here in Kiev if your staying in the main areas. I guess if you were going into the woods somewhere or a shady alley in some bad part of Kiev then I suppose some bodyguard would be needed.

I've walked the streets 1 am-3 am and everything is perfectly fine in the main area of Kiev. $100 dollars a day just to see the apartment girls are crazy. My "pimp" (which is what I call him) does the exact same thing without the bodyguard stuff and shows to me apartment flats free of charge (I'm guessing he gets a cut from the babushka there). I only have to pay around 800-1500 grivna for the girl I choose. Plus if I don't like any of the girls in the apartments then he will show me to other places free of charge without any problems. He just gets his cut from the babushkas that are showing off the girls.

I would not see this guy if I were you. Just pm me or another ISG member and we'll get you a contact. That is what another ISG member did for me and I would gladly help out any other members on here. My "pimp" would most certainly like more customers so I'll be glad to give out his info if you PM me.I agree with pretty much except with this caveat.

If you can look a like a local you will likely have less problems. I have seen Turkish and other obvious looking foreigners get stopped while German and other Caucasian guys have little problems.

I have been denied twice entry into Shooters and was accosted by 3 policemen right in front the Zara saying racist crap, they decided to take a pass when I started calling my Embassy's emergency number.

That said you don't need a "bodyguard' but I would advise use taxi's at night and use common sense.

Spark78
04-24-16, 23:13
Ukraine is country of cheaters so be careful my friend s. To pull $$$ from you they can do any dam thing.


How a dinner date in a Kiev restaurant could turn into an expensive scam. Personally I've never been scammed in Kiev or Donetsk.

2 Places to avoid anyway, Kaiserhof and Tarantino Grill according to tripadvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Kiev Scam".

Review of Kaiserhof.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Complete Scam".

Review of Tarantino Grill & Wine Bar.

Requests for gifts and additional expenses by Mamba girl are at your discretion and how to handle the situation if she brings up the subject.

LuisVega11
04-25-16, 17:59
Ukraine is country of cheaters so be careful my friend s. To pull $$$ from you they can do any dam thing.I agree. That's why I only meet 18. University student with big eyes smile.

I avoid anything over 22 especially with iPhone and fashion brand bag.

My 3 time in Kiev began with a meeting a Kaiserhof. I was still a novice in Kiev. Made a meet from mama with a fleshy girl. She said to meet at a karaoke.

As soon as I heard karaoke I know it was a scam but I wanted a bang as soon as arrived.

She wait me in that place I recognize now as called Kaiserhof, it's near shot Rustaveli behind a sushi.

We took 2 salad and one beer and she took a glass of wine. She sing a song for me. Typical botox girl not even my type.

Then arrived the bill. 120 dollar. I was shocked and realized all was organized.

A big bodyguard escorted me to a bancomat, like written well in trip advisor, to take money. I tried to point the wine was not in the menu, they said the same thing written in trip advisor, new menu, new wine bla bla.

Actually I felt lucky cause I read now in tripavisor they could have billed me even 500 dollar. Back to the place girl was gone clearly. I message her the worst offense I have ever written to a person.

But from that moment nobody fucked me in this scum city because I follows simple rule.

- avoid any girl with iPhone an luxury bag.

- avoid any girl over 20.

- always choose the place mostly pizzeria or restaurant in big mall.

- never believe them. Never ever. I have to deal also with Russian girl in Moscow and I have to say that Ukrainian are a race different from any I have ever met, Russian girl love cock much more.

Sorbonne
04-26-16, 03:10
How a dinner date in a Kiev restaurant could turn into an expensive scam. Personally I've never been scammed in Kiev or Donetsk.

2 Places to avoid anyway, Kaiserhof and Tarantino Grill according to tripadvisor.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Kiev Scam".

Review of Kaiserhof.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowUserReviews-g294

Complete Scam".

Review of Tarantino Grill & Wine Bar.

Requests for gifts and additional expenses by Mamba girl are at your discretion and how to handle the situation if she brings up the subject.

This seems now to be the correct link to the Kaiserhof review on Tripadvisor:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294474-d1793111-Reviews-Kaiserhof-Kiev.html

Does anybody know the name of the restaurant/s where girls from Rio most often want to go in order for them to receive the cut?

This is the place where you sit and can order food from 3 restaurants connected to each other. I just wanted to bring your attention also to this restaurant/s so you can avoid it/them.

They are not so outrageously expensive, but you know the girls are getting the cuts.

LuisVega11
04-26-16, 13:06
This seems now to be the correct link to the Kaiserhof review on Tripadvisor:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294474-d1793111-Reviews-Kaiserhof-Kiev.html

Does anybody know the name of the restaurant/s where girls from Rio most often want to go in order for them to receive the cut?

This is the place where you sit and can order food from 3 restaurants connected to each other. I just wanted to bring your attention also to this restaurant/s so you can avoid it/them.

They are not so outrageously expensive, but you know the girls are getting the cuts.Maybe some mafia branch? Or casta?

Anyway the point is never go to any place if she invite. Ever. She will be only interested in money and probably will have a cut on the bill. Especially if she talk good English she well dressed with luxury bag.

There are thousand of people living out of these in Kiev and Ukraine. Included wedding agency prostitution gold digging scumming. All those girl with scuba, surcoat, iPhone 5 6, iPad, are part of this scheme.

But the problem is the mentality.

Jojosun
04-26-16, 15:16
This seems now to be the correct link to the Kaiserhof review on Tripadvisor:

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Restaurant_Review-g294474-d1793111-Reviews-Kaiserhof-Kiev.html

Does anybody know the name of the restaurant/s where girls from Rio most often want to go in order for them to receive the cut?

This is the place where you sit and can order food from 3 restaurants connected to each other. I just wanted to bring your attention also to this restaurant/s so you can avoid it/them.

They are not so outrageously expensive, but you know the girls are getting the cuts.Thanks Sorbonne for the link.

I am guessing the restaurant where Rio girls want to go to must be light food and expensive, think Japaneesy sushi. Either owned by Rio or closely associated with them.

The girls from the top Go Go club (Baccara) in Bangkok would want to do the same trick as well by wanting to stop at a expensive restaurant on Soi 7 owned by Baccara.

I never let a girl choose a restaurant.

Riina
04-26-16, 15:48
I avoid anything over 22 especially with iPhone and fashion brand bag.


Further you go from college age, the greater the risks. Save yourself lots of frustration ignoring the glamour crap.

Riina
04-27-16, 02:13
If anybody is from or around Chicago, read my posts on USA. I met a really beautiful Ukrainian today. Never expected that kind of quality at home. Not at all corrupted. We have these Western Uki coming to scene, but this dev today comes from around Kiev and I was just overwhelmed.

Just in case somebody doesn't have the money and time for a trip. That special Ukrainian girlfriend illusion can be found here too.

HelloGoodBye12
04-28-16, 03:28
Anyone on the ground today / tomorrow PM me. Looking for a buddy to hit some clubs.

S.Hey,

Not sure if you are still in Kiev.

But I'm going to be in Kiev on 8 of May.



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04-28-16, 17:18
Went to several strip clubs last night. Found a gem known as Flirt House, had the most attractive female ratio of all strip clubs so far visited.I made a report on that place previously I'm pretty sure.

There was not a single attractive girl working there. The female to male ratio was very high because I was the only customer.

After escaping I had to seriously think about if I wanted to live with the images burned into my brain or if I should auto-euthanize on the spot.

Love Bite
04-29-16, 06:49
If anybody is from or around Chicago, read my posts on USA. I met a really beautiful Ukrainian today. Never expected that kind of quality at home. Not at all corrupted. We have these Western Uki coming to scene, but this dev today comes from around Kiev and I was just overwhelmed.



Just in case somebody doesn't have the money and time for a trip. That special Ukrainian girlfriend illusion can be found here too.Hi,

I live in Chicago close to Ukraine village. Love to get to know this person. If you like to share any information or tips. Send me a message.

Thanks.

CastOnThis
04-29-16, 09:06
I made a report on that place previously I'm pretty sure.

There was not a single attractive girl working there. The female to male ratio was very high because I was the only customer.

After escaping I had to seriously think about if I wanted to live with the images burned into my brain or if I should auto-euthanize on the spot.Yes. I agree with you, the first time I went for some reason the women were really hot. And then after that night, it never happened again. The same girls didn't show up and you were left with some very unattractive women.

Riina
04-29-16, 15:39
Hi,

I live in Chicago close to Ukraine village. Love to get to know this person. If you like to share any information or tips. Send me a message.

Thanks.USA Sex Guide, Chicago thread. Sasha is the girl and I use the same handle.

Sorbonne
05-02-16, 22:59
The blonde girl in the ESCORTDIRECTORY.COM ad to your right or to your left looks almost exactly like this new girl at Gia named Mila.

Refresh your browser until the blonde girl appears and see.

What do you think, guys?

Riina
05-03-16, 14:36
The blonde girl in the ESCORTDIRECTORY.COM ad to your right or to your left looks almost exactly like this new girl at Gia named Mila.

Refresh your browser until the blonde girl appears and see.

What do you think, guys?As to Gia, it's pretty obvious they are using Mamba to market certain girls. I'm being quoted $ which seems fair.

Sorbonne
05-04-16, 02:18
The blonde girl in the ESCORTDIRECTORY.COM ad to your right or to your left looks almost exactly like this new girl at Gia named Mila.

Refresh your browser until the blonde girl appears and see.

What do you think, guys?LOL.

I meant:

To the right or left of this page.

Refresh this page.

GlobeTrotter99
05-04-16, 08:56
Hello guys,

I have been a frequent reader of this fantastic forum during the last year and profited well on my journeys from the advice given here. Therefore I decided to give something back and contribute with my own humble experience. This is my first post so please be patient with me.

For business reasons I am spending currently a lot of time in Kiev / Ukraine and this won't change in the near future. Therefore I started to look for some distraction in my free time and tried different approaches.

Social media:

I tried mamba, badoo and vk. All were not very reliable. Badoo is good to get in contact with local girls who like for long time relationships. I would only recommend it for long time stays (14+ days). Mamba is a little bit tricky, but you can succeed there finding working girls. Just message a lot of girls and wait what comes back. Reply ratio is quite low and reliability not the best. So be patient. Vk did not work for me at all.

Massage Parlors:

Actually I nice experience if you tried some different and found one with good quality. Quality varies strongly. Prices are really affordable so that you can experiment with different massages. But don't expect professional massage skills. For first timers I would suggest a short massage because I most places they will try to cheat you if you take a fancier package. Please PM me for my favorite. Theses places however, as far as my experience goes, are sex free.

Strip Clubs:

So far I have only been to Rio and it seems to be an average place. The girls are quite nice and it is said that there is take out possible in late evening. Never tried. Prices seem to increase since I paid on my first visit 200 entrance and on my last already 300.

Bars / Clubs:

Always a good place to make first contact with girls in case you stay longer. Russian skills are strongly recommended since quality of English strongly varies. Short term encounters are quite difficult. Stay away from the obvious scammers.

Working girls:

Really hard to find a reliable place to go. I tried sex-ukraine.net and urkgo.com, but as you imagine most of the pictures are fake and you get tired of walking to apartments and not getting what you imagined. So a lot of trial and error and you need to bring some spare time.

If anyone could recommend me a reliable salon or pimp than please PM me. I will be staying longer in Ukraine so if anyone is interested in meeting and hitting the clubs or for other reason please PM me.

I will continue to share my newest experiences and knowledge about other cities.

Have fun guys!

Love Bite
05-04-16, 16:52
USA Sex Guide, Chicago thread. Sasha is the girl and I use the same handle.OK thanks. Right now I am in Kiev for fun. So be back next week. Do you have her contact info?

Love Bite
05-04-16, 16:57
Hey,

How are you guys? I will be in Kiev 4 days coming weekend so good information with local girls to hang out will be appreciated. Any contact numbers you can pm Me and what's the best and easiest way to pick up ladies in Kiev?

SeoExpress2016
05-05-16, 12:09
What are the reliable english speaking taxi companies in Kiev? Would appreciate your input.

ThanksI recommend this service here:

http://express-taxi.ua/

Bimbo Boy
05-05-16, 14:52
I have been Kiev about a year, having local connection.

We are offering a local tour guide service, arrange you visit reliable service providers. Our tour guide has own car and speak fluent English and Russia. All we ask is $100 per person every day / night. And two to four persons a group. So at least you won't alone. Why don't you just try first night, and most local working girl only lives in residential flat, not speak any English. So you need our taxi / translator / body guard service.

PM, if you interested.Obviously a scam. Avoid at all costs!

MrAlex
05-05-16, 21:34
Hi guys,

I am in Kiev now for the 2nd time. I'll post a report later. For now I like to ask what a normal tip is to give in a strip club? Just when your sitting around drinking and a girl gives a short lap dance for 1 or 2 minutes?

Bimbo Boy
05-06-16, 00:28
I recommend this service here:

http://express-taxi.ua/I recommend Yandex Taxi. Great Android app.

Cheema
05-10-16, 01:50
I arrived in Kiev today, I was planning this trip for about 6 months, VISA. First had to get invitation for visa which I get online and than long process of visa didn't get visa in 15 days so had to submit double fee to get urgent visa total process cost 500 including invitation, insurance, dhl for invitation and double visa fee which was 165 usd and had to pay double. Apartment Than I book apartment for 6 nights at Airbnb, which was advertised as may be the best one room apartment in Kiev cost me about 600 euros, I arrived at 4 pm airport transfer was arranged by apartment owner which cost 20 usd, reached apartment, it was just 2 min walk from kreshtalik street 5 min walk to MacDonald, apartment was excellent, had jacuzzi, sauna, full kitchen suiting area and bedroom. Mamba and Tourbar, I get paid membership of these two sites, had not much success at tour bar as most want to go to exotic place and demanding a lot of money, at mamba after so much work I managed to get about 25 replies, no freebie, and price was quoted from 800 uah per hour to 100 usd per hour, out of them just 2-3 which I would rate them 8-9 and they quoted 209 usd for 2-3 hrs, but few days back I was given number of a man who can arrange girls by a senior member of forum, I contacted this guy one day before arrival in whatsapp and booked appointment for 6 pm next day, after arrival he told me he will bring girls to my apartment at 8 pm as today was Victory day in Ukraine and most of the girls are on holiday. He arrived at 8 pm at my apartment with 2 girls one was blonde other was brunette, chose brunette for one HR at 1500 uah plus 70 taxi, her name was Brittany, she told me that I was her first client and she works at cosmetic clinic as medical assistant, she spoke good English did DFK and had natural beautiful body, session with her was excellent, After that I had some relaxation and send message to the guy to arrange another at 11 pm he arrived at 11 but didn't like them he send them back and took me me to 3 offices, there was not much girls available due to holiday, chose a nice young slim girl at an office at 1409 plus 100 taxi, she was also great, had a good session with her. Thats for today will write about my experiences for tomorrow next time.

Cheema
05-11-16, 00:21
Today again got 2 girls from same guy both were 20 something and students, had s hood session, tomorrow I will try something different maybe Gia or Rio. Will write about that.

Cheema
05-11-16, 22:26
Today I wanted to try something different, so called Gia escorts and booked Arina for one hour, she was on promotion of 100 usd per hour, very beautiful young girl with very good English spent good time with her. Than I tried Roxolana massage, and booked mila for 1 HR at my apartment cost me 1000 uah for 1 HR good body to body massage with relaxation. Tomorrow will try something different will write about that.

TeronWorld
05-12-16, 08:06
First night in Kiev I spent at Rio. Nice place. A lot of people and girls. Did not quite understand the different levels of the place, but managers quite nice. Very cheap private dance. One girl in private told me about take out, 300 dollars she said. Not interested yesterday. Many drinks for me. After I left I ask taxi driver go for some girls. He showed me a place with horrible ugly girls. Left and he took me back to hotel. No problem. Now hangover.

Unasana01
05-12-16, 17:48
Hi to all.

I was wondering does any one of you use this web page http://minuet.biz/main?.

I'm planning visit to Kiev in June / July so any recommendation is more then welcome, thanks!

Misterxxx
05-13-16, 09:18
Hi to all.

I was wondering does any one of you use this web page http://minuet.biz/main?.

I'm planning visit to Kiev in June / July so any recommendation is more then welcome, thanks!95% of the photos are fake. A lot of porn-stars and prostitutes from russian sites. The rest might be real or old (with girls that are not available anymore).

But anyway: Don't trust the "100%" or "Real" signs. If you call they will send a girl. But not the girl that you can see on the photo.

CallSign Papa
05-14-16, 07:24
Is Uber not an option in Kiev yet?

Jojosun
05-15-16, 10:17
Is Uber not an option in Kiev yet?According to this link it is an option?

https://twitter.com/uberukraine

http://en.reporter-ua.ru/uber-after-kiev-launched-in-lviv.html

"Uber after Kiev launched in Lviv".

And according to TripAdvisor " There's a local taxi application called Uklon. Use it with a Ukrainian cell phone number or as an application on your Iphone."

You don't need a credit card. You just place an order with your phone (Ukr cell) or with your Iphone / smartphone app. Choose an English language section in the Uklon application.

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g2944

Sent you a PM.

Jojosun
05-15-16, 15:02
Is Uber not an option in Kiev yet?Just checked with someone on the ground there and was told " they don't think so, not yet anyway "?

Anyways Taxis are cheap anyway.

Cheema
05-15-16, 16:30
My Kiev trip is over, will write detailed report in few days, right now at airport going to Chisinau, please tell when holidays in Ukraine are over and what is best time to go, currently I am planning to go on 28 August to 9 September is it a good idea.

DudeNextDoor
05-15-16, 23:14
Is Uber not an option in Kiev yet?No Need for Uber, worlds 3rd cheapest taxi in Ukrine. Just make sure they turn the meter on!

There are a few taxi apps and they work great. You need a smart phone and Ukranian sim card. Once you put in the confirmation code in, you are game. Your taxi will come right away and you get sms car make, color, licence plate once the taxi is there waiting for you.

mastiff
05-16-16, 00:36
I arrived in Kiev today, I was planning this trip for about 6 months, VISA. First had to get invitation for visa which I get online and than long process of visa didn't get visa in 15 days so had to submit double fee to get urgent visa total process cost 500 including invitation, insurance, dhl for invitation and double visa fee which was 165 usd and had to pay double. Apartment Than I book apartment for 6 nights at Airbnb, which was advertised as may be the best one room apartment in Kiev cost me about 600 euros, I arrived at 4 pm airport transfer was arranged by apartment owner which cost 20 usd, reached apartment, it was just 2 min walk from kreshtalik street 5 min walk to MacDonald, apartment was excellent, had jacuzzi, sauna, full kitchen suiting area and bedroom. Mamba and Tourbar, I get paid membership of these two sites, had not much success at tour bar as most want to go to exotic place and demanding a lot of money, at mamba after so much work I managed to get about 25 replies, no freebie, and price was quoted from 800 uah per hour to 100 usd per hour, out of them just 2-3 which I would rate them 8-9 and they quoted 209 usd for 2-3 hrs, but few days back I was given number of a man who can arrange girls by a senior member of forum, I contacted this guy one day before arrival in whatsapp and booked appointment for 6 pm next day, after arrival he told me he will bring girls to my apartment at 8 pm as today was Victory day in Ukraine and most of the girls are on holiday..
Today again got 2 girls from same guy both were 20 something and students, had s hood session, tomorrow I will try something different maybe Gia or Rio. Will write about that.Hi Cheema,

I will go to Kiev in June, can you give me the number of the guy you met?

Thank you!

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ElNene
05-16-16, 00:57
...but few days back I was given number of a man who can arrange girls by a senior member of forum...Hey Cheema,

I'm in Kiev now. Any chance to get the number from this man?

Thanks a lot for your reports!

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Cheema
05-16-16, 08:48
My inbox is full of a lot of messages asking number of Andrei in Kiev, I tried to answer a lot of messages but if I missed someone he can send me message again, but as per forum policy I will share this detail with only senior members, no 1st time posters.

TeronWorld
05-16-16, 18:20
Have been a few days in Kiev. Been to bars and restaurants. Tried Rio Strip Club two times, OK, but don't like the table setting and the small rooms. Tried Paradise Cabaret and liked it better. Greater shows and a blitt more classy. Waitresses sometimes topless when they bring drinks! Even got a free "cream show" in the start. Pricing is clearly listed, also for take outs. Noe problem. The cabaret it self was also good, with "New York"-number and presentation of each girl by name, first one and one, and then all the girls topless! Nice touch.

Tried a few dances for 500 each, but not bottomless and not very impressive.

For clubs I tried to get into Sky Bar but not possible without reservation they said. Tried Caribbean Club. To full of people, very hot and humid. Sweating. And impossible to get a seat. Then Shooters. Funny place. Liked this please better. But not easy for man 50 to get contact with the prettiest girls. But craziest thing happened when a beauty drunk girl just started to kiss me very deep for a long time, although going with another man! But did not get her or any other. Also tried Buddha Bar. Nice place, but not easy to get in contact with girls.

Had a visit form a Mamba-girl. Sweet and nice, 23, but not looking as good as the pictures. She was nice and stayed for 2-3 hours. Also tried 2 different massage places, quite good - 1 hour for 1200 nice service.

To sum up: I have had a great time in Kiev so fare. But I'm not here only for mongering, like to visit tourist places and go out for good food. Kiev have a lot to offer. The main attraction is maybe the girls you see on the street that are not possible (or too expensive) to get).

Syncmaster305
05-17-16, 02:17
Hello guys,

I will be going to Kiev next week and we are trying to figure out ahead of time, what bars / Clubs are good to find working girls. Normal girl are OK also, but as its a short trip, it will be harder to land a lady for the night on the same night! Does anyone have any recommendations on what clubs and on what nights we are more likely to fins working girls? Your help would be greatly appreciated!

Sync

Member #4674
05-17-16, 05:32
Hi everyone,

Today I just read a report from a Hong Kong people from a Hong Kong SE guide forum, this guy has reported his experience in Kiev.

About Kiev, he said the first night he went to Rio and take a 23 yo to hotel and do a short time for 5000 Uah like 200 usd.

And the second day, he use the website.

http://escort-models.com/en/models/

To find a very beautiful 18 yo girl and posted 2 photos in the thread.

Looks like the first is the girl's photo and the second is the girl with him.

Do any one know this website and can judge if it is true?

Misterxxx
05-17-16, 15:06
Hi everyone,

Today I just read a report from a Hong Kong people from a Hong Kong SE guide forum, this guy has reported his experience in Kiev.

About Kiev, he said the first night he went to Rio and take a 23 yo to hotel and do a short time for 5000 Uah like 200 usd.

And the second day, he use the website.

http://escort-models.com/en/models/

To find a very beautiful 18 yo girl and posted 2 photos in the thread.

Looks like the first is the girl's photo and the second is the girl with him.

Do any one know this website and can judge if it is true?Girl on the photo #1 = Beautiful.

Girl on the photo #2 = A "look-like", but no the same girl and not beautiful (my opinion).

A 5000 UAH take-out. ? Possible. But did he write at what time he came to Kiev? This month? Last year.

Is it possible that he found a girl on the escort-models site. ? Yes. The phone numbers are real. But it's always like a blind date.

You call a girl with a "playboy photo". Big promises "we send you the most beautiful girl with long blonde hair, model-type, slim". And in the end two fat crocodiles are waiting in a taxi in front of your apartment.

It's also possible that they send you a nice girl. But it's more or less "russian roulette".

P.S.: How much did he pay for that girl. ?

+ http://escort-models.com/en/models/ is FAKE. ! 100%. !

CallSign Papa
05-17-16, 20:27
+ http://escort-models.com/en/models/ is FAKE. ! 100%. !Just run a simple Tineye reverse image search on most of the girls, they all have multiple hits on porn sites so they're clearly not genuine photos. Anyone seriously expecting girls that hot for prices that low is in serious need of a brain transplant.

Reallywildone
05-17-16, 20:52
Hi,

You are better off trying to look online on sites like BackPage and EuroGirlsEscort. Some will be fake, but you will also get some genuine ones. Look for ones that have Viber / WhatsApp, and contact them in advance. Some will be agencies, some will be independents. I'm in Kiev at the moment, and found a couple of good agencies at very reasonable rates (beautiful girls), and one absolute stunner (independent) all through these sites. I was also approached by a pimp Khreshyatyk, he took me to some apartments, but I was looking for specific services that were not available there. I also know another guy who has been mentioned on the forum. Nice helpful fella. PM me if you want his details. Also try massage places like Relax Massage, Roksolana Massage etc if that floats your boat. No sex there, but can get amazing body to body and HJs. The girls are happy, pretty and friendly.

I'll write up about my experiences later. Busy right now having a long fantastic session with a different girl every day.


Hello guys,

I will be going to Kiev next week and we are trying to figure out ahead of time, what bars / Clubs are good to find working girls. Normal girl are OK also, but as its a short trip, it will be harder to land a lady for the night on the same night! Does anyone have any recommendations on what clubs and on what nights we are more likely to fins working girls? Your help would be greatly appreciated!

Sync

Member #4674
05-19-16, 10:50
The date he came is in November 2015, so I thought the 2 photos may not the same girl as well, or may the first photo is from the social media with a lot Photoshop who knows.

When I saw the website I have the same impression that what a obvious fake site and how could him just use this kind of site to have a girl like the first photo, it is not so easy the world LOL.

And he said he did with the girl on the photos all night but didn't detailed the price.

So, this is the case.

And, the girl he did on RIO also he uploaded 2 photos, which don't know how he did it. I attached here for take a look.

But just for a short time the price is so ridiculous.

I used to believe that the girl that the mongers caught from these kind of club to pay 200,300 USD is for an all night round.

BTW, Once a time I also chatted with a guy in a German FKK he said.

He had been to Ukraine and take a girl from a club (didn't say which club) to his hotel which is a real university girl for 300 USD but afterwards.

When he finished encountered a rob (raid) by a police and fined him another 300 USD!

So, the total cost to take a girl in this kind of club could rise until 600 USD, what a tragedy!


Girl on the photo #1= Beautiful.

Girl on the photo #2= A "look-like", but no the same girl and not beautiful (my opinion).

A 5000 UAH take-out. ? Possible. But did he write at what time he came to Kiev? This month? Last year.

Is it possible that he found a girl on the escort-models site. ? Yes. The phone numbers are real. But it's always like a blind date.

You call a girl with a "playboy photo". Big promises "we send you the most beautiful girl with long blonde hair, model-type, slim". And in the end two fat crocodiles are waiting in a taxi in front of your apartment.

It's also possible that they send you a nice girl. But it's more or less "russian roulette".

P.S.: How much did he pay for that girl. ?

+ http://escort-models.com/en/models/ is FAKE. ! 100%. !

Jojosun
05-19-16, 20:11
currently I am planning to go on 28 August to 9 September is it a good idea.A week or 10 days later would be a better bet as students and others are back from holidays.

SgtBoyle2
05-19-16, 23:11
Was in Kiev at the beginning of the month and thought I'd post an update. First and most importantly do not go to Kiev during their Easter weekend as almost everywhere is closed even Rio.

Prior to that weekend I took a table at Skybar where there were a lot of girls of varying quality and one true stunner who gave me her number but has yet to reply. I got talking to a French guy in the course of the evening who seemed to be a regular at the club and said that there were far fewer professional girls there than I imagined and that with patience and charm it was still possible to get freebies. Unfortunately by that stage of the evening I was too tired and too drunk to preserve and went home empty handed.

Total cost of table, drinks etc 5000 hryvnia.

Met up with a 25 year old beauty through Mamba but during the course of dinner it became all too clear that she was really only interested in a LTR. I have found this to be an increasing problem with Mamba as none of the girls I've met in recent years seems to want anything other than a proper relationship. Still it only cost me dinner at my hotel and she was most attractive company.

Went to Rio one night which remains the same as ever. Entrance 300 hryvnia, private dances (naked) 400 hryvnia cost of having a girl sit with you: price of a cocktail. Take out remains $300 and so far as I am aware is non-negotiable. However I am also not aware of any prescribed number of hours the only limitation is that the girls have to go back to the club before 5 am. Why this is I don't know but suspect it's to do with collecting their share of the evenings takings. There also seems to be a rule that oral is covered.

Rio has received a lot of criticism on this site in the past but my own view is more favorable. I have always been welcomed and treated with respect. I dress smart show respect to security and tip well and in return have been shown nothing but courtesy. Andrei in particular has always remembered me and ensured That I am looked after. The girls are a mixed bunch both in terms of beauty and attitude but none of them have ever misbehaved. Last year one girl became something of an out of hours companion and gave me a whole weekend of pleasure. This year I've struck up a relationship which may yet see us holidaying together. Everything is therefore possible including 'A' and CIM if you play your cards right and can of course afford the prices.

The same cannot in my view be said for Dolls which I had occasion to visit when Rio was closed for Easter. The entrance fee is 400 hryvnia and on entering I was told by security that all the rows of empty seats "were taken". I was therefore only allowed to sit at the bar where I was charged 80 hryvnia for one tiny Evian and from where I could not see the girls properly. I stayed only long enough to conclude that the dancers were no more attractive than in Rio and left.

Finally I would add that in a lonely moment I booked a girl from Gia. Again Gia has it's critics and no one could call it cheap but the girls are reliable and some of them are really cute. In answer to a previous post if they say they do anal then they do anal. In particular Nina (attractive but with a few pockmarks) is a consummate expert. I saw Margo ($250) who is a sweet fresh girl with a lovely petite body. So if you can afford it Gia is a reliable source of girls.

As an aside I've been told Gia is owned by the Police which would explain why none of the other agencies show actual photos. They're not trying to deceive us punters as much as protect themselves from the local constabulary eliminating the competition.

Back in Kiev at the end of the month so pm me if you're up for a night in Skybar.

BeanCounter1
05-21-16, 07:52
Have over the last week or so read just about every report from the last 18 months to 2 years, and wow I feel prepared for my trip to Kiev next week.

Oodles of notes and places to check out, already started on some of the Mamba tips and Backpage tips, should have found this place ten years ago.

I will report blow by blow on the four days I am there, but just wanted to say thanks to everyone, especially those who replies to PMs.

6 days and counting.

RailGan7
05-21-16, 15:41
Last 2 times in Kiev I was on a massage house called Moulin rouge, not far from university metro, first time was excellent experience and the second one a bit cheap. Someone else has some experience in that house?

Member #2001
05-21-16, 16:39
What is going on here??

I have read all the treads on this Ukrainian forum and up till the end of March in the Kiev section, and its not the same like it was back in the day.

There use to be a lot of girls in Kiev. I have been able to get a lot of freebies there in the day. Not so pretentious and not so money hungry. Now the only option is dating websites like Mambo, really? Even in the small villages girls are not so forthcoming. I have been to Yaremcha and that was the case for me there. Makes me wonder of other places like Moldova, or other eastern block countries would be better.

Sevastopol use to be my favorite place to hang out, inspire of all the undercover harassment of the police there. Girls where like 5 or 7 dollars. Nice ones too, near to the central square and near to the sea. Look at my posts from way back in the 90's. Now everything has turned to shit. I am not paying 700 dollars in airfare to screw some blonde hottie with saggy tits and a bad attitude. Forget about Sevastopol, its been destroyed by the Russians. People tell me that prices have doubled for everything and sex? Maybe its increased over 1000 percent. Just does not make a lot of sense to me.

CallSign Papa
05-21-16, 18:48
What is going on here??

I have read all the treads on this Ukrainian forum and up till the end of March in the Kiev section, and its not the same like it was back in the day.Everything changes, it is the nature of things. Kiev is no exception, adapt or die.

It's certainly not the Kiev of 2004 (my first visit), but let's not get too misty eyed about the past, I had plenty of crummy experiences at the River Palace, before it was towed off to oblivion. But sure, quick routes to pussy in Kiev are getting harder and harder to come by, so guys on short trips are going to have the deck stacked against them.

Personally I've had to change how I operate to some degree, because girls are more suspicious, more demanding and less likely to drop their drawers, but I still get the same results because:

1) I spend a good deal of time in bars and clubs (getting merry but not drunk), speaking a little Russian goes a long way. Sure the old regulars like Shooters aren't what they used to be, but Decadence is still a damn good place for hot young things. And with beer so damn cheap, why wouldn't you want to enjoy the nightlife.

2) I've grown a network of contacts. Either from Mamba or VK.com/ Facebook, these are my ways of meeting / vetting hot girls before I decide to waste my time and money on them. Mamba gets a bad rap, I'm still meeting 22/23 year olds who are up for fun, but earning their trust and confidence is not a quick process, and won't be to everyone's taste.

It's kinda funny, go to most of the boards on ISG (Dubai, Bangkok, Manila, London for sure) and there is a common theme of "things were better in the old days".

Riina
05-22-16, 12:12
I am in Kiev. If anybody wants to pm me a hottie not to miss, I will return the favor if it leads to something erotic. I'm starting my travels again to Ukraine and will pm back my future discoveries.

Jonathan Pine
05-22-16, 16:46
There has been a discussion on this subject before, and some of us agreed (and some disagreeed) that Russian women and Ukrainian women were very different. Personaly, I find Russian women are more clever, cultured, intelligent and cosmopolitan than their Ukrainian cousins. And more emotional, much more emotional. More honest and loyal also, contrarily to Ukrainians who are rather calculating and sneaky. That said, this is subjective views, based on personal experiences. It sounds effectively strange that ethnically identical girls would be so different. Why would a girl living in Harkov be different of a girl living in Belgorod, that is only 50 miles away? I'd be curious to hear others opinions.Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.

And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.

Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.

How can this be? Well, one simply can't understand Russia by logic. Same goes for in hobbying in Russia. One simply never knows what might happen next.

And if I may use only a single word to explain the difference between Russians and Ukrainians, it would be "soul". Russians have a soul, Ukrainians, I prefer not not to make a comment. No, I don't work for Putin but yeah I'd jump on the first chance to offer my humble service to the great motherland. Mr. Putin, are you reading this board by any chance? LOL.

There is a famous poem in 19th century written by Fiodor Tyuchev which almost all Russians learn in school. It goes like this.

"Russia cannot be understood with the mind alone.

No ordinary yardstick can span her greatness:

She stands alone, unique.

In Russia, one can only believe."

I thought this poem perfectly captures Russian soul. Yes, there are always ups and downs, actually more like roller coaster rides when one hobbies in Russia, but one can only believe in Russia.

This is a board about pussies, but Russia is unique. Russia stands alone. And Russia can't be understood by the mind alone. One must only believe in Russia. Sorry for getting so philosophical in a sex board.

Bimbo Boy
05-23-16, 07:52
Thought about this myself and was searching for opinions from you guys but couldn't find replies. So I thought I'd give my two kopeks.
And it's not only the differences that Prosal mentioned, there have been huge differences in achievements in literature, classical music, science and technology, etc. The list is endless.
Theoretically that Ukraine, being 1/3 the size of Russia in terms of population, should have produced 1/3 of the classical music composers, writers, scientists of those of Russia. But almost all the famous artists, writers, pianists. Come from Russia. Almost none from Ukraine.
How can this be?
It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.

Jake993
05-23-16, 09:09
It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.

Regards.Clearly this is a complex topic that could go on and on an on in argument. While a lot of Soviet leaders (be they political, cultural or scientific) were from Ukraine, many were not ethnic Ukrainian at all. Conversely, there are many modern famous Russians who have family names that are ethic Ukrainian. And just because a Russian has a Ukrainian last name, it does not necessarily mean that he has ever been to Ukraine, can speak a word of Ukrainian (that's not already common to Russian), has any relatives in Ukraine or considers himself remotely Ukrainian. Conversely, it's not unthinkable to find a guy from Lviv (Lvov) in the far West of Ukraine (Stephan Bandera country) who has a Russian name and whose family has been in the there for 4 or more generations and considers himself a Ukrainian patriot.

The Soviet experiment was a strange mixing bowl. Within the former Soviet Union there were more than 185 different identifiable ethic groups. The geographical and genetic cross pollination that occurred over 80 years has blurred the lines between the groups of which the line between Russians and Ukrainians is only one. (Look up the bio of Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, and you will see that he is ethnic Armenian).

As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics. I know a girl from Kharov (Kharkiv) who was born during Soviet times into a family who consider themselves ethnic Russians. However, she has a Ukrainian passport and never really gave the fact much thought. However, after the annexation of Crimea by Russia, she became fervently pro-Ukrainian and vocally anti Russian, anti-Putin. Much to the horror of her family who still consider themselves Russians.

Come to think of it, the situation is probably not a whole lot different than it is in England and Scotland. Just give it a few more years.

Vaape Camhel
05-23-16, 09:20
It is simple. You are confusing Russian and Soviet! Many soviet great artists and scientists were from Ukraine, but you count them as Russians. For example the composer Prokofiev was from Donetsk region, Sviatoslav Richter the pianist, the writer Isaac Babel, Bulgakov, Joseph Conrad, Gogol. Politicians like Brezhnev, Krushchev, plus a huge list of chess and sports champions.Regards.You are correct. We can continue the list for ages but I don't think Golda Meier, Konstanin Chernenko, Leo Trotsky can compete with our real subject. Everyone has their own impression of people in each nation. I haven't been in Ukraine yet, but I've been chatting with numerous Mamba girls to have at least dinner dates. If I can't find mamba-pussy there are lot of back-up plans as I read here at ISG. To cut the chase I haven't seen much differences between Russians and Ukrainians online. It's almost impossible to get more than 2-3 words back. But I had good luck before online, so I keep up trying. And call Gia later.

Jonathan Pine
05-23-16, 11:24
...As for the character differences between Russian and Ukrainian girls, I respectfully suggest that the difference has more to do with economic circumstances than genetics....Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.

So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.

Straun
05-23-16, 14:34
So. Seeing all sorts of girls with "viber and WhatsApp" on their profiles. Is that their way of letting you verify their appearance before they come over? Or if you ask for.

More photos and etc you're still talking to some agency who is sending you fakes? Just seems strange they'd include that kind of program link if they weren't willing to show you.

Perhaps video of girl or anything.

Bimbo Boy
05-23-16, 20:46
Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.A former girlfriend of mine (a beautiful Russian businesswoman in her 40's) once told me: "Ukrainian woman make great lovers, wives and mothers, but they would not hesitate a minute in fucking your chauffeur!

Of course this is pure jealousy.

I have lived a year in Moscow and 4 years in Kiev. I see nearly no difference between Ukrainian and Russian girls. It is the same former soviet mentality.

Riina
05-24-16, 18:20
I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.

Member #4722
05-24-16, 20:23
I saw a very good looking black guy walk out of the K Street McD today, almost for sure US military. He had a tight white t shirt showing off all his muscles. We glimpsed at each other knowing we were both Americans. I wanted to tell him that it was every girls fantasy on this street to have his cock in their mouth. But he probably knew that and I kept it to myself.Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.

How14
05-24-16, 21:10
Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.So, you recon every girl in Kiev would have a black mans cock in there mouths do you? I very much doubt that, and by the sound of it, it seems you might be gay yourself, so better check that out, going on about muscles and tight t shirts.

YellowPaul
05-24-16, 21:25
Really? I thought most women in Kiev are extremely racist.I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.

Riina
05-24-16, 21:55
I would say only 10%-20% Ukrainian women would date a visible foreigner aka non- white although there are some groupies out there if you get lucky.

If the guy was built good looking with muscles it might increase to 50% but it would take a special circumstances to get a top shelf 8 or 9 to give up the money from a local.I'm talking about fantasies and not dating. I've met enough Ukrainians now that will say yuck to black guys instinctively but told me privately that they would like to suck a black dick. Of course, behind closed doors.

Bimbo Boy
05-24-16, 23:07
Yes that would appear to make sense. But what causes the difference in economic development? Apart from natural resources, Russia also produces much more than Ukraine.
So I'd say at least partly the differences in economic development is caused by the character difference of the people.No, the people are the same. The difference is leadership. Putin has re-established a soviet style hierarchy (the "vertical of power" and mafias and corruption are more or less under control, which unfortunately is not the case in Ukraine. Recentely Poroshenko named one of his friends as Attorney General and the guy has no legal training nor experience. He does not even have a higher education! As he did not fit the legal requirements for being Attorney General, the parliament quickly amended the law a couple of hours before he was sworn in. What a joke.

Riina
05-25-16, 09:54
Kiev is now a dirtier place. I arrived Friday on a delayed flight which pretty much ruined the day. An average girl I had contacted on VK was willing to come over. She was nice and told me that I was lucky she had come over because she had a need for something, otherwise she would not come over. Thought to myself that's exactly how Ukrainians work. They will do something if they have the need.

Saturday night went to DLux. This place completely lost its vibrancy. If you were there, you may have noticed the two skanky sisters high on ecstasy. The one with the red dress literally DFK'd 4 or 5 guys on the dance floor. Not to mention all the crotches she squeezed. The other sister was not so high and we had met entering the club. When the bouncer noticed her, she was taken out of the club and we all left. We took a taxi to my place and in the middle of the road, we pass a young hottie walking like a zombie in the middle of a very busy road. Thinking to myself theirs a drug problem here. The sisters are at my apartment and I'm feeling scared. The one in red dress isn't really conscious. I'm worried she's going to puke or who knows what. She past out on my couch and didn't wake until early morning. Me and the other sister had fun in the bedroom throughout the night. I think it qualifies as my first freebie in Kiev but I gave them a hundred bucks when they left.

Sunday I felt like shit. Didn't sleep at all the night before. My plan was to check out Lounge 69 (aka Vodka Bar) but I crashed out and never made it. Anybody know if still the same culture of customers?

Monday I was feeling really fantastic. Noticed Gia posted a brand new girl that day. She was a beautiful girl but obviously a pro. We literally fucked for 45 minutes straight in a truly intense session. She was a real rock star and worth every penny. The thing about Gia is they are a very reputable agency and I do recommend if you don't have other options. They do fib on the girls ages. If they say twenty, it's probably later twenties. Almost all the girls blow without condom and it's hard to believe they can find that many 19 and 20 year olds sucking dick without cover. At the money they charge, it's not really a viable mongering option for me. The second or third girl, I doubt I would be so lucky.

Tuesday, I started working Mamba. It's truly great if you want to nail hags. The young semipros have all disappeared. I have a session scheduled today but might cancel. When you get over thirty in Ukraine, we a talking about dealing with some really vile twat. I don't think it's worth the risk. If I'm in the mood, I'l let this girl come over. So Tuesday night I was feeling pretty horny. I walked myself over to the place across from Dominoes Pizza that Barba had mentioned. You need an access code to enter which I did not have. Decided to go home and luckily a guy hands me a card at the corner. It was for the apartment and the guy walked me up. I'm looking at this dude in the elevator and I can see it in his eyes that he's a druggy. The apartment is nice with average girls. I picked one for 1100 and had just a terrible session. The girl tried to buzzkill me at every turn. The girls were very friendly and I think I just picked a bad one. I asked them for their number but they insisted I call the guy. If you can manage to get yourself into the building, walk to the top floor. About ten feet to the left of the staircase, is the door to knock on. But they may not allow you in by yourself.

Tonight I'm going to hit some nightclubs and maybe bang a hag this afternoon.

Jojosun
05-25-16, 14:53
Kiev is now a dirtier place. I arrived Friday on a delayed flight which pretty much ruined the day. An average girl I had contacted on VK was willing to come over. She was nice and told me that I was lucky she had come over because she had a need for something, otherwise she would not come over. Thought to myself that's exactly how Ukrainians work. They will do something if they have the need..Thanks Rina for your report. When there is less control by central government and corruption on a larger scale sets in that's the ugly face one notices in Kiev.

Minsk is still of the cleanest cities I've been to.

Ringudor
05-25-16, 15:51
Sunday I felt like shit. Didn't sleep at all the night before. My plan was to check out Lounge 69 (aka Vodka Bar) but I crashed out and never made it. Anybody know if still the same culture of customers?I would like to know the same, I was there on April and I saw it so empty place, waiters and waitress dressed so sexy, at least in weekday was always so empty, the only day I walked around on Saturday, I saw also so few people nearby, but I was not inside, any good info about that will be welcomed.

BrasilSoccer0
05-25-16, 16:18
Keep those good reports coming bro and ignore the negative feedback if you get me!

On the drug issue I have seen a video on the increase of drug use in ukraine since 2014! It's sad and unfortunate.


Kiev is now a dirtier place. I arrived Friday on a delayed flight which pretty much ruined the day. An average girl I had contacted on VK was willing to come over. She was nice and told me that I was lucky she had come over because she had a need for something, otherwise she would not come over. Thought to myself that's exactly how Ukrainians work. They will do something if they have the need.

Saturday night went to DLux. This place completely lost its vibrancy. If you were there, you may have noticed the two skanky sisters high on ecstasy. The one with the red dress literally DFK'd 4 or 5 guys on the dance floor. Not to mention all the crotches she squeezed. The other sister was not so high and we had met entering the club. When the bouncer noticed her, she was taken out of the club and we all left. We took a taxi to my place and in the middle of the road, we pass a young hottie walking like a zombie in the middle of a very busy road. Thinking to myself theirs a drug problem here. The sisters are at my apartment and I'm feeling scared. The one in red dress isn't really conscious. I'm worried she's going to puke or who knows what. She past out on my couch and didn't wake until early morning. Me and the other sister had fun in the bedroom throughout the night. I think it qualifies as my first freebie in Kiev but I gave them a hundred bucks when they left.

Sunday I felt like shit. Didn't sleep at all the night before. My plan was to check out Lounge 69 (aka Vodka Bar) but I crashed out and never made it. Anybody know if still the same culture of customers?

Monday I was feeling really fantastic. Noticed Gia posted a brand new girl that day. She was a beautiful girl but obviously a pro. We literally fucked for 45 minutes straight in a truly intense session. She was a real rock star and worth every penny. The thing about Gia is they are a very reputable agency and I do recommend if you don't have other options. They do fib on the girls ages. If they say twenty, it's probably later twenties. Almost all the girls blow without condom and it's hard to believe they can find that many 19 and 20 year olds sucking dick without cover. At the money they charge, it's not really a viable mongering option for me. The second or third girl, I doubt I would be so lucky.

Tuesday, I started working Mamba. It's truly great if you want to nail hags. The young semipros have all disappeared. I have a session scheduled today but might cancel. When you get over thirty in Ukraine, we a talking about dealing with some really vile twat. I don't think it's worth the risk. If I'm in the mood, I'l let this girl come over. So Tuesday night I was feeling pretty horny. I walked myself over to the place across from Dominoes Pizza that Barba had mentioned. You need an access code to enter which I did not have. Decided to go home and luckily a guy hands me a card at the corner. It was for the apartment and the guy walked me up. I'm looking at this dude in the elevator and I can see it in his eyes that he's a druggy. The apartment is nice with average girls. I picked one for 1100 and had just a terrible session. The girl tried to buzzkill me at every turn. The girls were very friendly and I think I just picked a bad one. I asked them for their number but they insisted I call the guy. If you can manage to get yourself into the building, walk to the top floor. About ten feet to the left of the staircase, is the door to knock on. But they may not allow you in by yourself.

Tonight I'm going to hit some nightclubs and maybe bang a hag this afternoon.

Logeek
05-25-16, 17:22
Hi guys,

Thanks again for all the invaluable information here, I've used the forum on and off for many years.

I'm visiting Kiev for the first time and have made a summary of previous posts below. I'll be there on a Saturday to Tuesday and just wanted to find out which clubs are good and what nights? Also whether anybody has a good taxi / pimp number? I'm happy to get a table at the club and pay for top quality 8/9's, just need the right advice on where to go, thanks!

Call Girls.

Gia. Owned by Police. Expensive but reliable.

Clubs.

Saturday night. Sky bar. Otherwise Shooters or Dlux? Buddha bar, salsa club called Buena Vista.

Sunday. Lounge 69 (Vodka bar?

Strip Clubs.

Rio / Paradise Cabaret.

Houses.

Taxi / Pimp. Bring girls / drive to apartments. Any numbers would be useful.

Massage.

Relax Massage, Roksolana Massage.

Ringudor
05-26-16, 11:05
The best strip club in city is for sure nosorog podol, also the other nosorogs in city (they are 5) are so good.

But only as a stripclubs, girls doesn't offer any extra service there.

Riina
05-26-16, 16:14
Went to Shooters last night and it was lots of fun. No poon, but dirty danced with a cute spinner. The girls in this place defines why one would want to be in Kiev. Hookers and eye candy are great but to get the confidence of one of these sweet young things to meet is the real motivation of the trip. I don't know for sure but seems they eased up on face control. Not so many foreigners here like three years ago.

Straun
05-26-16, 20:04
Still no one has answered. Does anyone have any experience using backpage on Kiev? Tons of profiles and all the girls seem to have viber and wahtsapp. Is that used to verify their appearance or do you still get the bait and switch even with viber?

Jojosun
05-26-16, 20:20
Went to Shooters last night and it was lots of fun. No poon, but dirty danced with a cute spinner. The girls in this place defines why one would want to be in Kiev. Hookers and eye candy are great but to get the confidence of one of these sweet young things to meet is the real motivation of the trip. Very well said, Rina.

Was Irish Lad around?

Riina
05-27-16, 05:32
Very well said, Rina.

Was Irish Lad around?I think he was there if he was the Irish looking fella in jeans and polo shirt standing by his table.

Lievre
05-27-16, 09:09
I recently went to the salon established for several years on Basseina street, near Gulliver mall.

I walked into the building, went upstairs to the door and rang the bell. I heard some noise inside, but nobody answered for a minute or two.

At the same time, I heard people going up and I got away from the door pretending to go up to the top floor.

2 cops, one with his hand on his machine gun, showed up running up the stairs very aggressive, they wanted my passport and phone to confirm that I had called the salon. I didn't give them and talked to them for a while. They wanted to take me to the police station.

I gave them the first bill I found in my pocket: hundred dollars.

They were then very happy and greeted me warmly, telling me to go back to the salon and relax, which of course I didn't do. And they left.

Obviously, I'm not about to go back there.

Jojosun
05-27-16, 09:41
I think he was there if he was the Irish looking fella in jeans and polo shirt standing by his table.Holdiing a Pint of Guiness? http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/photo/man-enjoys-pint-of-guinness-at-coxs-pub-high-res-stock-photography/178672738 I owe IL a Pint.

How14
05-27-16, 12:34
Hi guys,

Thanks again for all the invaluable information here, I've used the forum on and off for many years.

I'm visiting Kiev for the first time and have made a summary of previous posts below. I'll be there on a Saturday to Tuesday and just wanted to find out which clubs are good and what nights? Also whether anybody has a good taxi / pimp number? I'm happy to get a table at the club and pay for top quality 8/9's, just need the right advice on where to go, thanks!

Call Girls.

Gia. Owned by Police. Expensive but reliable.

Clubs...So you have used the forum for several years, and yet this is your first post? Interesting and even your first post is not giving info but asking for it. I just don't see how you have the nerve to be on here asking for info.

Jojosun
05-27-16, 16:46
I recently went to the salon established for several years on Basseina street, near Gulliver mall.

I walked into the building, went upstairs to the door and rang the bell. I heard some noise inside, but nobody answered for a minute or two.

At the same time, I heard people going up and I got away from the door pretending to go up to the top floor.

2 cops, one with his hand on his machine gun, showed up running up the stairs very aggressive, they wanted my passport and phone to confirm that I had called the salon. I didn't give them and talked to them for a while. They wanted to take me to the police station.

I gave them the first bill I found in my pocket: hundred dollars.

They were then very happy and greeted me warmly, telling me to go back to the salon and relax, which of course I didn't do. And they left.

Obviously, I'm not about to go back there.I encountered a similar scam about 11 years ago in Szczecin, Poland. I & a bud went to a location out of the center to an apartment where we were told some pretty girls were working there. As we were about to knock on the door 2 guys appear from nowhere wanting to check our IDs pretending to be LEOs in plain clothes. When I refused, one of them became very agitated and he produced a knife, I stood my ground and threatened to break his legs if he came near. Long story short, my build and height saved us from potential blackmail and financial loss. When they realized I was serious and angry they just walked away.

Since then I never visited any incall apartments anywhere in EE countries. On the few occasions I did in the past it was in Varna, Bulgaria, I made sure then I was accompanied by a well built local taxi driver who came up with me to the apartments. It was a waste of time anyway as they were nothing but ugly milfs.

Be careful visiting apartments on your own especially in out of the center locations in EE Countries.

Jojosun
05-27-16, 16:53
Still no one has answered. Does anyone have any experience using backpage on Kiev? Tons of profiles and all the girls seem to have viber and wahtsapp. Is that used to verify their appearance or do you still get the bait and switch even with viber?I've never used backpage in Kiev or anywhere else for that matter as its a well known fact (From what read, reliable sources) there is a high% of being scammed there or Bait& Switch, fake photos are rife there.

Ringudor
05-27-16, 17:04
I didn't know it happens, me and my friends never had that kind of problem in Kiev.

How is called that saloon?


I recently went to the salon established for several years on Basseina street, near Gulliver mall.

I walked into the building, went upstairs to the door and rang the bell. I heard some noise inside, but nobody answered for a minute or two.

At the same time, I heard people going up and I got away from the door pretending to go up to the top floor.

2 cops, one with his hand on his machine gun, showed up running up the stairs very aggressive, they wanted my passport and phone to confirm that I had called the salon. I didn't give them and talked to them for a while. They wanted to take me to the police station.

I gave them the first bill I found in my pocket: hundred dollars.

They were then very happy and greeted me warmly, telling me to go back to the salon and relax, which of course I didn't do. And they left.

Obviously, I'm not about to go back there.

TigerWoo
05-28-16, 14:06
Went to Shooters last night and it was lots of fun. No poon, but dirty danced with a cute spinner. The girls in this place defines why one would want to be in Kiev. Hookers and eye candy are great but to get the confidence of one of these sweet young things to meet is the real motivation of the trip. I don't know for sure but seems they eased up on face control. Not so many foreigners here like three years ago.I was in Kiev last week for a couple of days, and only really had one night out. Went to Shooters and it was packed with beauties, but surely not pros, but I was approach by a tall nice looking blonde, and my guess is that she was semi-pro. No hooker looking girls here, but some of them still looking for someone which seems to have extra cash. Just as I l was about to get to negations with her, some old friend turned up, and I did not manage to find out what the deal was. Back in Kiev again in 2 weeks, and will surely go again. I was in Shooters 2 years ago, not great, but this time much better.

Riina
05-28-16, 18:18
I was in Kiev last week for a couple of days, and only really had one night out. Went to Shooters and it was packed with beauties, but surely not pros, but I was approach by a tall nice looking blonde, and my guess is that she was semi-pro. No hooker looking girls here, but some of them still looking for someone which seems to have extra cash. Just as I l was about to get to negations with her, some old friend turned up, and I did not manage to find out what the deal was. Back in Kiev again in 2 weeks, and will surely go again. I was in Shooters 2 years ago, not great, but this time much better.I went last night and it was different. The girls were old. I think you have to go ladies night which is Wednesday and Sunday. I'll try again tomorrow.

TigerWoo
05-29-16, 07:59
I went last night and it was different. The girls were old. I think you have to go ladies night which is Wednesday and Sunday. I'll try again tomorrow.It was actually Thursday, but there seemed to be some kind event, but if it was ladies night I don't know.

Hrchrister
05-29-16, 20:13
I recently went to the salon established for several years on Basseina street, near Gulliver mall.

I walked into the building, went upstairs to the door and rang the bell. I heard some noise inside, but nobody answered for a minute or two.

At the same time, I heard people going up and I got away from the door pretending to go up to the top floor.

2 cops, one with his hand on his machine gun, showed up running up the stairs very aggressive, they wanted my passport and phone to confirm that I had called the salon. I didn't give them and talked to them for a while. They wanted to take me to the police station.

I gave them the first bill I found in my pocket: hundred dollars.

They were then very happy and greeted me warmly, telling me to go back to the salon and relax, which of course I didn't do. And they left.

Obviously, I'm not about to go back there.This happend to me too recently. No machine guns or anything like that, but three cops in a police car driving after me when I went into a backyard in Basseina, asking me what I wanted to do there (if I was looking for working girls etc). Long story short, they did not achieve anything, they even said sorry when they left. Empty handed. Know I check any nearby standing cars before I enter somewhere - until this scam is over. No rats will get bribes from me.

Reallywildone
05-30-16, 02:00
Never click or download any links sent on WhatsApp / Viber. Could be malicious software.

Photos on Backpage are not the of real girls if it is an agency. If you message them though, they will send you real photos. Just be very clear when you choose a girl that you will meet he girl somewhere outside your apartment, and if she is not the one you chose or does not look like the photo they sent, you will send her back immediately and not even take her up to the apartment. That works. I've used a couple of agencies I found on backpage. PM me if you want details.


So. Seeing all sorts of girls with "viber and WhatsApp" on their profiles. Is that their way of letting you verify their appearance before they come over? Or if you ask for.

More photos and etc you're still talking to some agency who is sending you fakes? Just seems strange they'd include that kind of program link if they weren't willing to show you.

Perhaps video of girl or anything.

Riina
05-30-16, 08:01
I've never used backpage in Kiev or anywhere else for that matter as its a well known fact (From what read, reliable sources) there is a high% of being scammed there or Bait& Switch, fake photos are rife there.There are reputable agencies that use BP to market their girls. It allows a handler to post daily its "on girls" without the need for websites and unnecessary real photos. It's true about fake photos and bait & switch but the key is finding the agencies with reputation. I do believe prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, just like USA, so I would look to BP as a possible medium of the future. Whats App with BP seems a powerful and cheap tool for somebody that wants to be ambitious and stay under the radar. Keep in mind their are pretty girls in Kiev that want to give covered BJ's and not DFK, which means they can only price themselves at the lower end. BP would be perfect for this.

Just my opinion that fake photos are completely acceptable if an agency is delivering girls at the mid or lower end of prices. Real photos should apply only for high end.

Zidane10
05-31-16, 08:29
Hi everybody,

Even though I don't consider Kiev as the main destination of my future trip I've decided to share this post on Kiev page because as far as I'd noticed it's most visited page on Ukraine thread. Currently I am hesitating between Lviv and Odessa due to length of the trip (it's going to be 7-8 days and I want to set "fucking marathon" in one of these cities, so I'm going to be into clubbing as well). As I'm going to make my trip in November, it seems to me that since it's not high season among tourists there must more offer for less price (or am I wrong? Since I'm fluent in Russian will it make any difference in establishing contacts with girls in clubs and parties or it's not much of an advantage as long as you put some fancy clothes on. At present I'm inclined to think that Odessa would be better option due to large Russian-speaking population, but on other hand some people told me that things could be overpriced there because of vast influx of tourists and local people in terms of lack of Crimea as vacation resort. Sorry for poor English in advance.

Given aforementioned criteria which city would be worth to visit both considering price and quality.

I've never been to Ukraine and I would be really grateful for any tips from forum members.

Thank you.

CallSign Papa
05-31-16, 19:18
Given aforementioned criteria which city would be worth to visit both considering price and quality.
.There are better experts than me on this board, but I would recommend Odessa all the way. Some great clubs and bars, and more importantly they speak Russian which will make the day-to-day less hassle. Lviv is a beautiful city and has some great spots too, and whilst some will speak Russian, the main language is Ukrainian, and you're going to get less hassle from the odd idiot taking exception.

Now back to all things Kiev.

Samcik
06-01-16, 05:55
Hi everybody,

Even though I don't consider Kiev as the main destination of my future trip I've decided to share this post on Kiev page because as far as I'd noticed it's most visited page on Ukraine thread. Currently I am hesitating between Lviv and Odessa due to length of the trip (it's going to be 7-8 days and I want to set "fucking marathon" in one of these cities, so I'm going to be into clubbing as well). As I'm going to make my trip in November, it seems to me that since it's not high season among tourists there must more offer for less price (or am I wrong? Since I'm fluent in Russian will it make any difference in establishing contacts with girls in clubs and parties or it's not much of an advantage as long as you put some fancy clothes on. At present I'm inclined to think that Odessa would be better option due to large Russian-speaking population, but on other hand some people told me that things could be overpriced there because of vast influx of tourists and local people in terms of lack of Crimea as vacation resort. Sorry for poor English in advance.

Given aforementioned criteria which city would be worth to visit both considering price and quality.

I've never been to Ukraine and I would be really grateful for any tips from forum members.

Thank you.Odessa, especially during summer.

Sorbonne
06-01-16, 23:16
Hi everybody,

Even though I don't consider Kiev as the main destination of my future trip I've decided to share this post on Kiev page because as far as I'd noticed it's most visited page on Ukraine thread. Currently I am hesitating between Lviv and Odessa due to length of the trip (it's going to be 7-8 days and I want to set "fucking marathon" in one of these cities, so I'm going to be into clubbing as well). As I'm going to make my trip in November, it seems to me that since it's not high season among tourists there must more offer for less price (or am I wrong? Since I'm fluent in Russian will it make any difference in establishing contacts with girls in clubs and parties or it's not much of an advantage as long as you put some fancy clothes on. At present I'm inclined to think that Odessa would be better option due to large Russian-speaking population, but on other hand some people told me that things could be overpriced there because of vast influx of tourists and local people in terms of lack of Crimea as vacation resort. Sorry for poor English in advance.

Given aforementioned criteria which city would be worth to visit both considering price and quality.

I've never been to Ukraine and I would be really grateful for any tips from forum members.

Thank you.I don't think Lviv is set up as a mongering destination, while Odessa is pretty much set up as such.

Ringudor
06-02-16, 17:13
I totally disagree about Odessa.

Is largest touristic destination in Ukraine, also a girl from Kiev told me is not difficult to get sex there because of party atmosphere but. Only in summer, out of summer season city loses all the charm, and he is planing to go there in November, I was in October 2013 and I saw that city so worse than Kiev.

DudeNextDoor
06-02-16, 21:04
November-October I would recommend Kharkiv. Universities are in session and they speak Russian!


I totally disagree about Odessa.

Is largest touristic destination in Ukraine, also a girl from Kiev told me is not difficult to get sex there because of party atmosphere but. Only in summer, out of summer season city loses all the charm, and he is planing to go there in November, I was in October 2013 and I saw that city so worse than Kiev.

Sorbonne
06-02-16, 21:21
I totally disagree about Odessa.

Is largest touristic destination in Ukraine, also a girl from Kiev told me is not difficult to get sex there because of party atmosphere but. Only in summer, out of summer season city loses all the charm, and he is planing to go there in November, I was in October 2013 and I saw that city so worse than Kiev.I've only been in Odessa in summer, so I don't know about other seasons.

To think about it, November in a beach resort doesn't sound right.

Protocol
06-03-16, 00:32
What is going on here??

I have read all the treads on this Ukrainian forum and up till the end of March in the Kiev section, and its not the same like it was back in the day.

There use to be a lot of girls in Kiev. I have been able to get a lot of freebies there in the day. Not so pretentious and not so money hungry. Now the only option is dating websites like Mambo, really? Even in the small villages girls are not so forthcoming. I have been to Yaremcha and that was the case for me there. Makes me wonder of other places like Moldova, or other eastern block countries would be better.

Sevastopol use to be my favorite place to hang out, inspire of all the undercover harassment of the police there. Girls where like 5 or 7 dollars. Nice ones too, near to the central square and near to the sea. Look at my posts from way back in the 90's. Now everything has turned to shit. I am not paying 700 dollars in airfare to screw some blonde hottie with saggy tits and a bad attitude. Forget about Sevastopol, its been destroyed by the Russians. People tell me that prices have doubled for everything and sex? Maybe its increased over 1000 percent. Just does not make a lot of sense to me.What happened.

1. Instagram. Hot girls know their worth, easy to get noticed, get Turks, Arabs, Swiss, Germans, French throwing them money over the internet, inviting to luxury trips and they take it.

2. Russia. The invasion made sympathetic visas much easier to get.

3. Economic support. Money is flowing into Kiev from abroad, and of course being siphoned off the top the way that only Ukrainians know how to do so efficiently. That money gets spent in clubs, on girls, on all the luxuries. The hot girls are just not in need anymore the way they used to be.

I've just been out a few nights in Kiev, clubs are full, lots of people around. Strip clubs that used to have 9's and 10's now have 4's and 5's. I was wondering at the purpose of the 100 kilo girl dancing at Mandarin tonight and then I realized, maybe she is there to make the other girls look hotter? But, some guy asked that girl to his table. Some thirsty guy who is ready to spend money to get the time from a land whale that I cannot bear to look at without experiencing physical pain.

Dolls, which I used to sit by myself on a Friday night and posted here to tell people was so good, great service, great girls, great place... now is so busy on Wednesday that it became standing room only. People being shown seats at the stage or bar and instead leaving. On Wednesday. Rio packed to the gills after 3 am on Wednesday night. Ask a girl to sit and you get "I don't speak English." ask her immediately after to private dance and she'll say to you fluently, "I'll be back in 5 minutes, I have to change." Just, too much competition now from thirsty men who will take anything, combined with the outflow, and you have a situation which is spiraling down the drain. Lots of governments sending their people into Ukraine as advisors, people who have nothing else to do at night than go hunt girls and get drunk. Spoke to a US special forces guy this evening who should be able to leverage that into something but apparently not.

I came to Kiev first after the first wave had died, guys here posted about how it was so sad the River Palace was gone. They were crying about how the old days were long gone and it was so sad. Yet, my first night in a bar in Kiev beautiful girls talked to me for fun and left for home with a passionate kiss. At Buddha Bar it was filled with 9's and 10's one of whom is still burned into my memory as an ideal woman that I can never quite match. Blonde in tight white pants. Sigh. Today I haven't even seen a girl in that league, let alone one that is available.

But if you turn on instagram you will find them. Those girls from Kiev are in Monaco, in Cannes, in Paris, in Miami, in LOS Angeles. The ones that stayed are not out in the clubs because they're married or have a corrupt politician boyfriend or are somehow otherwise kept. They hit 18, they put some bikini shots on Instagram, and the offers pour in and off they go around the world in business class.

So these girls got on planes and they went. The world embraced them with open arms. What's left are what couldn't go and competition for them has increased. There are too many men looking for too few girls.

The first time I went to a strip club in Kiev I felt like I had dislocated by jaw it dropped so far and so often. Now, I want to stick pencils in my eyes more often than not, and like everyone else, when a half decent one comes along suddenly you feel the need to compete for it because of the perceived scarcity.

I took a dance from a girl who I felt was pretty good by reference to the rest at Dolls. Fantastic body and OK face. But taking the dance, her breath was like a sewer and when she lifted her arms she stunk like locker room socks. So even if you can get the surface stuff right you have these girls who can't take care of themselves. They decide to shave but not frequently enough to maintain themselves, so it's stubble everywhere and they could do with a bath.

You could take 1,000 euros and throw it around in this city trying to get something and not find anything to spend it on. Just booze and looking at shit, and that doesn't burn the money fast enough. It's become a sad situation.

Jonathan Pine
06-03-16, 06:20
What happened.

1. Instagram. Hot girls know their worth, easy to get noticed, get Turks, Arabs, Swiss, Germans, French throwing them money over the internet, inviting to luxury trips and they take it.

2. Russia. The invasion made sympathetic visas much easier to get.

3. Economic support. Money is flowing into Kiev from abroad, and of course being siphoned off the top the way that only Ukrainians know how to do so efficiently. That money gets spent in clubs, on girls, on all the luxuries. The hot girls are just not in need anymore the way they used to be.

I've just been out a few nights in Kiev, clubs are full, lots of people around. Strip clubs that used to have 9's and 10's now have 4's and 5's. I was wondering at the purpose of the 100 kilo girl dancing at Mandarin tonight and then I realized, maybe she is there to make the other girls look hotter? But, some guy asked that girl to his table..Protocol, you took the words straight out of my mouth. I couldn't agree with you more. And it's not just Instagram, when girls turn on VK and Facebok, then get 100 messages from strangers from Russia and all over the world (well mostly Turks and Arabs).

Tomek123
06-03-16, 09:47
What happened.

1. Instagram. Hot girls know their worth, easy to get noticed, get Turks, Arabs, Swiss, Germans, French throwing them money over the internet, inviting to luxury trips and they take it.

2. Russia. The invasion made sympathetic visas much easier to get.

3. Economic support. Money is flowing into Kiev from abroad, and of course being siphoned off the top the way that only Ukrainians know how to do so efficiently. That money gets spent in clubs, on girls, on all the luxuries. The hot girls are just not in need anymore the way they used to be.

I've just been out a few nights in Kiev, clubs are full, lots of people around. Strip clubs that used to have 9's and 10's now have 4's and 5's. ..Sorry but your word is some fiction. What is Miami? This is a joke? My friend woman in Kharkiv could not get a visa to Greece. She wanted to get some rest near the sea and see the ruins of the palaces. She has a small business and a car Wolwo 2009 year-no bad for Ukraine. The Greeks in the embassy told her that it is not sure that it is consistent and rich woman and maybe she want to work illegally in Greece! It is stupid and a poor Greece, this not USA or Norway. Or Canada. This mass emigration of Ukrainians cute girls simply impossible. You write fiction sorry. Instead of a poor province come other girls in Kiev. Hundreds of small poor cities and towns in Ukraine.

Can you just not there looking for.

To me a little strange to read all this. In Russia in a pretty young girl from Donbass (land of war) fuck near the border for 15 bucks. In the Russian city of Rostov and Krasnodar.

This leads to fights with local Russians prostitutes and even murder, as well as in Kiev and Kharkov are now refugees. In Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa as well. Yes, you are right-foreigner in Ukraine is no longer so desirable lover it be 10 years ago. Yes. Girlfriend works in a marriage agency in the city of Sumy. For example. This is my new friend, she work in agency marriage.

Agency helps relieves rent an apartment to a foreign man in Sumy. Girls can earn in such a familiarity on average 200-400 dollars. A man can meet and have sex with several women.

Ukraine for guys like Steve Stevie69.

Stevie69 who know how to flirt. Not afraid to approach a young Student on the street, in a cafe or Macdonalds. Mall. For guys who think they are Gods because they have an Italian or Dutch passport and so everything girls should be at the entrance to a night club to make him a blowjob. These guys need to go to Honduras or Thailand. But not a,white, country like Ukraine or Bialorus. Ukraine one way or another it will still be one of the centers of sex tourism. Beautiful girl of 19-22 from Gia agency gets only 40% of gonorar. For Russian-speaking customers girl worth an average of 4 000 hryvnia per hour- (that is, a girl of that amount only receives 1600 hryvnia) . All the girls should have to do blowjob without condom -client must get pleasure (this requirement Gia- devochki, have to suck without condom). Cum in mouth and swallowing -1000 hryvnia. -girl gets 50% of cum in her mouth and swallow sperm- she have only 500 hriwnas.

In other words, for an hour of sex beautiful young girl 19-22 years, he receives only 1600 hryvnia per hour + 500 UAh for cum in her mouth and swallowing sperm. Many in the US and Europe for young girls ready to swallow your sperm for it money?

I meet often on the street and the cafe. I also communicate with your friends Ukrainians, who sometimes talk about good new girls in town. I do not have big problems with this.

Member #4722
06-03-16, 18:44
I travel a lot and I see this in every forum. Things are never as good as they used to be. I wonder if it is a case of mongers getting jaded or too spoiled? I recently went to Costa Rica and the infamous Hotel Del Rey and everyone in that San Jose forum says the same things that are said here. Things are not as good as they were in the good ole' days. Well I stepped off the plane and within two hours was having a great threesome with two sisters and had fantastic GFE sex with young hotties all through the week. I just wonder if mongers get used to much higher standards or maybe bored and are always looking for the next greatest thing.

I am heading to Kiev next month for my second trip to Ukraine. Planning to splurge one night at Gia as the girls look amazing there and you can get a very hot girl for much cheaper than the US (has anyone tried the slave upgrade there? Would like to try some dom play and wondering how this goes). Also been browsing Mamba and the girls look just as cute as they did when I last traveled to Ukraine three years ago. Admittedly I am not super picky and I normally go for great service / connection over looks (not to mention I am very attracted to EE women and find most of the women here super cute), but I am pretty sure I will be linking up with some very attractive girls while I am there for four days next month.

I was also wondering if anyone has tried some off-the-beaten-path clubs / pubs to try and meet girls. There have to be some student pubs and these types of places that aren't often mentioned in these forums. It seems like the main clubs that the mongers always go to are frequented by the more hardened pros but that places with less foreigners could be a goldmine for non props or semi pros. Last time I went to bars like Shooters there were lots of loud boisterous Turkish mongers with tables and hoarding all the girls. I am sure many women are turned off by this type of environment and maybe a better chance to meet a gem in a less obvious place. This is a strategy I used here in US and it works for me. My friends sometimes want to go to the most popular meat market bar but every guy in there is really aggressive at trying to meet women. But I always do better at the less-popular place where females are not on guard or you don't have to compete with others richer / better looking. A good example was on my last trip to Berlin we were in a lot of meat market type places and had no luck then wound up in a heavy metal bar and I ended up meeting a cutie about 15 years younger than me and had a great night of sex for free. If anyone has any experience with some less popular places please give some info.

SgtBoyle2
06-03-16, 20:13
Having just returned from 4 days in Kiev I thought I'd set out my thoughts and experiences.

Prologue:

Through the generosity of a fellow member I was put in touch with Andrei a few days before my trip who quickly started making arrangements including sending me photos of possible girls.

I had myself started the usual preparations in Mamba with no success. Whereas previously I would manage to start up conversations with three or four MILF in advance of my visit this time I got nowhere. Nor did I receive the unsolicited offers of sex for $$ that usually precedes my trips. One lady responded to an invitation to lunch by saying she was not a stray dog that needed feeding.

Chapter 1.

I arrived in Kiev early on Friday morning and arranged to meet Andrei for lunch. He arrived on time soaked to the skin but grinning from ear to ear. He's a lovely guy and after a chat suggested he take me on a walking tour of the brothels (salons) the rains having passed.

This was a new experience for me and for those of you less senior mongers I can assure you that you'll never find them without help. Having regard to previous comments about drugs and police harassment I should also say that the tell tale signs of the former were very evident in the stairwell of one of the establishments we visited. In the case of the police it was quite noticeable that Andrei would not visit a salon without first waiting outside and phoning even if he'd been talking with the relevant madam just minutes earlier. It was also noticeable that each madam made careful use of a peep hole before opening or closing their doors.

We visited 3 salons (brothels) in total and on each occasion the girls would line up for selection. It being early afternoon the choice was not particularly good and Andrei was of the view that none of them were suitable. However a young but slightly statuesque girl caught my eye in an establishment where you could also hire a sauna and a swimming pool by the hour: I couldn't resist and immediately booked Stacey.

She was a very sweet and slightly nervous 22 year old girl who spoke a little English and explained that this was only her second day. She gave me a lovely massage, fucked me in the sauna (a most energetic pastime) and then enjoyed a naked swim with me in the pool. It was a lovely and sensuous experience that I should have repeated and promised to do. Total cost for girl, pool and sauna for 1 hour 2900 hryvnia. Probably too much but I had a lovely time. Stacey is a lovely girl. She has an owl tattoo on her back and if you meet her please be kind and gentle as she will reciprocate. Without the room I think she's 1,800 hryvnia per hour.

After Stacey I staggered back to my hotel for a rest only to find that Andrei had arranged for Julia to meet us for drinks just a couple of hours later.

Julia was a nice young girl (20 years). A brunette with excellent tits and a pretty face. She spoke some English and fucked energetically. In fact perhaps too energetically for me given that I was still recovering from the sensual Stacey. Andrei was anxious to explain to me that Julia was not from the salons but was, as he put it "fresh and clean". 1 hour 1800 hryvnia. Andrei has her details and I won't post her photo as I suspect she'd like to preserve her anonymity.

After Julia I headed over to Skybar where my hotel had booked me a table. There I watched the working girls at work without a thought for bidding for their services owing to the blissful state in which I'd been left by Stacey and Julia. The standard of beauty was decidedly mixed and had I been in the mood for company I can't say that I'd have been prepared to pay $300 or more for any of the ladies.

SgtBoyle2
06-03-16, 21:05
Chapter 2.

I awoke the next day late and hungover. I staggered down to breakfast where I enjoyed the discrete pleasure of watching a girl scrolling through this website on her patron's mobile. I always knew my hotel was nothing more than a very upmarket brothel.

Turning to my own phone I saw that the indomitable Andrei had already started messaging me with potential girls including photos. I knew that I was in trouble; I needed time to restore my libido or at least to properly sober up (I had finished at around 5 pm at Skybar after several hours of heavy drinking with two blonds) so I messaged back that I would meet him at a local cafe later that afternoon and headed to the sauna.

Several hours later Andrei introduced me to another of his private girls: Svetlana (I think). We met at a nearby Mafia. A nice (22 year old) brunette again, with great brown eyes who spoke some English. As before I have her photo but won't share in the interests of confidentiality. I am however pretty sure that at least one other member (Reallywildone) has met her from a previous post. Svetlana (I hope that's her name) was quite classy and had a lovely young body but was very limited in the sack. No BBBJ and no dining at the why. As an aside many of the salon girls won't provide these services and if they do it cost you 1000 hryvnia extra. She was enjoyable but not satisfying. Cost 1800 hryvnia per hour.

After Svetlana left I messaged Andrei to say that I had to rest as I was intending to return to Skybar that night. At that point I truly did intend to have a few hours sleep, however Svetlana had left me unsatisfied and in a moment of weakness I phoned Gia.

I know, I know, but the truth is that Gia is one of the best ways to guarantee to cum in a young girl's mouth if you can afford their ridiculous prices.

I ordered Zlata with no particular expectations for 2 hours ($300, CIM $40). We met in the lift and at first I was distinctly unmoved. A slight black haired 20 year old girl with a kooky sense of dress and a slightly reserved manner. Business and pleasantries over we got into bed and, well and everything changed. We clicked. I wanted her and it seemed she wanted me. I have been seeing girls for nearly two decades and nothing came close to the intimacy of those two hours. Is she a 9 or a 10 ? I really don't know or care. Her body is slight, her beauty unconventional, some predecessors have made quite a mess of her C (the C'ts) but for me for those few hours she was perfect.

I was desolate when she left and duly proceeded to Skybar where I got very drunk and foolishly brushed aside various offers because none of them would ever be like Zlata.

Mskofmsk
06-04-16, 09:54
Hi guys,

Booked apartments city hotel in Hoholivska Street. Does anybody have info if the hotel is girl friendly?

SgtBoyle2
06-04-16, 13:55
Chapter 3.

I awoke on Sunday morning with a deep sense of loss only to be shaken from this depression by two messages.

The first was from a 28 year old blond on Mamba. Despairing at the lack of responses, the previous day I had messaged each lady whose details were give on this site over the last two years with a simple "Hi, I'm in Kiev, would you like to meet". To my complete surprise this lady had replied. Correspondence followed, I rechecked her photos and eventually agreed to meet her the following day at noon for 2 hours for $70 (CIM & anal included). My expectations were not great but what did I have to lose? If I didn't like her I could send her away for a few hryvnia. If I did well it would be nice to enjoy the full service at least once on my trip to Kiev.

The second was of course from Andrei. We'd agreed to meet for lunch and I was expecting the usual photos of girls but instead he'd simple written: "can my wife join us for lunch?

Yes Pimps (well nice ones anyway) can have wives, families and mortgages too.

Of course I said yes and a couple of hours later I found myself speaking to an attractive intelligent lady who was beautifully turned out and had excellent English. Over lunch and a good bottle of Chablis we discussed Andrei's business, his hopes and how the present system of clubs, strip bars, salons and agencies work. I learned loads.

When it came to dessert Andrei left us only to return 40 minutes later with a sweet little girl (22 years) with black hair and the most engaging smile that he'd found for me at a local salon. I don't remember her name but I do remember she provided an excellent and most delicate CIM back at my hotel. Cost 1,800 hryvnia, taxi fare and 1000 for CIM. From what she said it seemed she'd spent one month at a FKK (club in Germany and was preparing to return there in the autumn.

After the little black haired girl left me I fell asleep having set my alarm to ensure that I was ready for what I knew would be the highlight of the trip: the return of Zlata.

I know there's no way of justifying this to you more hardcore members but yes I spent $400 for 3 hours of Zlata's time. We fucked like lovers stopping only to drink wine nibble at our room service food and stare out at the stars from my hotel room. She was perfect. Not a 10 for the rest of you, not a girl you would even notice at a nightclub, but the sexiest, sweetest girl I have slept with in the course of a long career in mongering. I don't believe she would perform like this for others but if she does then I suppose that only goes to confirm her prowess as an escort.

She left me drained and content in the early hours of Monday morning.

Riina
06-04-16, 14:37
I think Kiev is a great place if you are on a continual hunt to sponsor girls . If you are looking for hookers, it's pretty terrible.

SgtBoyle2
06-04-16, 15:43
Chapter 4.

The sun was shining that Bank Holiday Monday and I determined to wait for my mamba girl at the coffee and cake shop just down from my hotel. Few encounters have been approached with such low expectations. I sat at a table outside sipping a tea and then bang on time there she was: the girl in photos. A tall thin 28 year old nicely dressed with reasonable English and the deepest blue eyes. I've always liked blondes. I don't mean dyed blondes but the fair skinned sort with "matching collar and cuffs" and this girl fitted the bill.

I hurried her back to my hotel. I opened some champagne and we got to work. CIM was followed by anal which I set about with such enthusiasm that I felt obliged to apologize at the end. Why she said "it's normal for Ukrainian girls". The approach could not have been more different from the girls that I had met in the salons.

During two hours of almost solid sex she never ceased smiling. I invited her for lunch and there at the same table as I had entertained Mr and Mrs Andrei the previous day we chatted and ate like old friends. I insisted on desert and for another 1000 hryvnia she returned to my hotel and let me f**k her up the **se again. This time I glided in. My afternoon was complete.

Andrei had not of course left me and within minutes of closing door on Blondie I was hurrying out to meet my happily married pimp at a nearby bar. All weekend Andrei had been telling me about this perfect girl I had to meet. Her name is Caramel (perhaps it sounds less ridiculous in Russian) and she works at the strip bar just off Arena (the one with the red door). Again I had low expectations and really only agreed out of politeness. Again I was mistaken in my preconceptions.

Caramel was lovely. Deep brown eyes and hair, a great smile and big tits (not that common in a Ukraine). Perhaps as importantly she spoke perfect English (with an American accent) and had a truly classy personality. I would defy even the most skeptic monger not to award her an 8 or 9.

I had to take her back. It cost me 2,800 hryvnia for 1 hour plus taxi plus $50 for BBBJ. The money was well spent. Caramel has the smoothest skin. She looks like she's 21 but is 28 and has learned a thing or two in those years. In London she could work for the top agencies and tread the carpets of the best hotels for 1,000 a night but here in Kiev she swings off a pole for a fraction of that money. A great girl who I recommend.

My trip ought really to have ended with Caramel's departure. I was knackered and had to be up the next day for an early flight but of course there was still the matter of Zlata. I always carry an emergency stash of dollars and well this was an emergency. I broke out the 100 MG of Viagra and phoned Gia.

She arrived around 11 pm looking stunning. Whether she'd dress up for my benefit I'll never know but with heels, lipstick and a dress this time all of you all would have noticed Zlata.

The sex that followed was every bit as good as before perhaps even better because tired as I was, there now a real understanding between us. We knew each other's bodies and desires.

By rights it was me who should have fallen asleep but instead my little raven haired beauty slipped off into unconsciousness resting on my chest. I always think that one of the biggest compliments an escort can pay you is to fall asleep in your arms. It means they trust you.

So there I was listening to my beauty's breathing until of course the agency rang to say my time was up.

SgtBoyle2
06-04-16, 16:11
Epilogue.

I had intended to dedicate these posts (thank you to those who've read them) to Andrei but having now written them I'm not sure that would be right. Don't get me wrong, Andrei is a brilliant fellow who can open doors that you wouldn't otherwise have known existed. For us weekend warriors he's perhaps our only chance of glimpsing the world enjoyed by the long term mongers of Kiev. If you're lucky enough to get his number then cherish it and indeed him.

However I met three great girls over those few days and only one of them was down to Andrei. My mamba girl was a happy, attractive companion who could not have been more accommodating. Caramel (from the strip bar) was just the most sexy professional who I'd be happy to have on my arm at any social occasion and then of course there was Zlata. Everything I've learned and read said Zlata would be plastic, professional and insipid and yet she touched me the most.

Mongers are many things but perhaps what we are most of all is optimists. We persevere despite no shows, bait and switch and ugly girls with rubbish service in the belief that one day, one time we'll have that near perfect encounter. Last weekend I had three and so I dedicate this post to hope. Keep at it guys, RTFF, keep up those messages on Mamba and one day it will come right!

Cheema
06-04-16, 18:08
Very good reports after some depressing reports. Kiev is great place for sex tourism, I have been to 50 countries across 5 continents and have mongered in about 25 Countries including SEA, Dubai, all of Europe, Mexico, Brazil etc. I found Kiev as the best destination, this place is cheap at 40 usd you can have a good apartment, food, metro and taxi is also cheap, people are friendly, city is big, clean with excellent nightlife, restaurants and shopping malls, I didn't had any problem at all in any place. I spend 3 nights of club hopping and returning beck at 5 am to my apartment and I never felt unsafe. I would recommend Kiev to everyone. If anyone want Andrei number I can give you, you just have to pm me as now I am back and have time to respond to messages.

Riina
06-05-16, 14:11
I went to SkyBar Friday. I knew that I could not enter without a reservation and assessed the selector and his two gorillas from a distance. Assumed a bribe not possible because all three were huddled together. I waited in the middle of Arena and approached two glamour models walking towards the club. I kindly asked if they would help me and offered fifty bucks. They got me in and without a cover charge, so really not to much of a rip considering I would have willingly paid twenty five for cover.

First thing you need to know about SkyBar is that it is an oligarch owned bar that don't give a shit about your business. It's home base for high end prostitutes and sponsored glamour girls. But they won't tell you that and I witnessed no direct solicitation. Please don't believe reports here that their are hookers in SkyBar that can be used as some viable form of mongering. At least not for most of the members of this forum. If you can get in, it's a glamour show and that's about it.

LuisVega11
06-05-16, 17:39
Epilogue.

I had intended to dedicate these posts (thank you to those who've read them) to Andrei but having now written them I'm not sure that would be right. Don't get me wrong, Andrei is a brilliant fellow who can open doors that you wouldn't otherwise have known existed. For us weekend warriors he's perhaps our only chance of glimpsing the world enjoyed by the long term mongers of Kiev. If you're lucky enough to get his number then cherish it and indeed him.

However I met three great girls over those few days and only one of them was down to Andrei. My mamba girl was a happy, attractive companion who could not have been more accommodating. Caramel (from the strip bar) was just the most sexy professional who I'd be happy to have on my arm at any social occasion and then of course there was Zlata. Everything I've learned and read said Zlata would be plastic, professional and insipid and yet she touched me the most.

Mongers are many things but perhaps what we are most of all is optimists. We persevere despite no shows, bait and switch and ugly girls with rubbish service in the belief that one day, one time we'll have that near perfect encounter. Last weekend I had three and so I dedicate this post to hope. Keep at it guys, RTFF, keep up those messages on Mamba and one day it will come right!Any chance you can share the mamba profile?

Alex7J
06-05-16, 18:40
Epilogue.

I had intended to dedicate these posts (thank you to those who've read them) to Andrei but having now written them I'm not sure that would be right. Don't get me wrong, Andrei is a brilliant fellow who can open doors that you wouldn't otherwise have known existed. For us weekend warriors he's perhaps our only chance of glimpsing the world enjoyed by the long term mongers of Kiev. If you're lucky enough to get his number then cherish it and indeed him.

However I met three great girls over those few days and only one of them was down to Andrei. My mamba girl was a happy, attractive companion who could not have been more accommodating. Caramel (from the strip bar) was just the most sexy professional who I'd be happy to have on my arm at any social occasion and then of course there was Zlata. Everything I've learned and read said Zlata would be plastic, professional and insipid and yet she touched me the most.

Mongers are many things but perhaps what we are most of all is optimists. We persevere despite no shows, bait and switch and ugly girls with rubbish service in the belief that one day, one time we'll have that near perfect encounter. Last weekend I had three and so I dedicate this post to hope. Keep at it guys, RTFF, keep up those messages on Mamba and one day it will come right!Awesome reports SgtBoyle: Its been my long term wish to visit Kiev after I had a steady Ukrainian 18 yr old GF here in DXB but I was always apprehensive. Your reports pumps up people like me who want to visit ukraine but are a bit afraid or skeptical about the situation there. Even Cheema's report just after your post reaffirms the friendliness in Kiev.

Man I am in love with these babes trust me I have lived with a Ukrainian lady from kherson for 3 months and she would fuck my brains each day and night she made me a marathon fucker. Woosshhh.

Cheers man: Keep fucking and keep writing we all are getting horny just to be in Kiev.

Alex

Member #4722
06-06-16, 03:31
Any chance you can share the mamba profile?I would love to find her contact info also love tall Ukrainian babes.

Cheema
06-06-16, 08:01
I would love to find her contact info also love tall Ukrainian babes.Caramel works at darling strip club in same building as arena.

SgtBoyle2
06-06-16, 09:26
I would love to find her contact info also love tall Ukrainian babes.Gents,

Forgive me if I defer giving out the lady's details for now. I am due back in Kiev at the end of the month and I wouldn't want to find that she's been swept away by a torrent of other mongers.

If you PM me in July I will oblige.

Tomek123
06-06-16, 11:15
I would love to find her contact info also love tall Ukrainian babes.http://www.mamba.ru/mb1600631063/dating#/ closed.

I talk with this girl. But very difficult charakter. She find boy 20-27 for love, relation etc. First -No! I m not prostitute, etc.

But I'm not a ready. She wanted too many, I want CIM and anal sex. She doesn't want. Later she agree, but + 1200 for CIM etc.

Misterxxx
06-06-16, 18:19
http://www.mamba.ru/mb1600631063/dating#/ closed.

I talk with this girl. But very difficult charakter. She find boy 20-27 for love, relation etc. First -No! I m not prostitute, etc.

But I'm not a ready. She wanted too many, I want CIM and anal sex. She doesn't want. Later she agree, but + 1200 for CIM etc.Definitely not 18 years old. Mid 20th.

In my eyes.

And a "5" + Male face.

Member #4722
06-06-16, 18:48
Definitely not 18 years old. Mid 20th.

In my eyes.

And a "5" + Male face.I was about to say she looks like Susan Boyle in the face nice legs though.

Thanks for the link anyway.

Sorbonne
06-06-16, 22:10
What's the latest for the visa-free travel to EU for the Ukrainians?

Is it happening on July 1st? Or September 1st?

I just heard that for the Georgians it had been pushed back further from October 1st.

In this climate of too many refugees into the EU it's hard to imagine that it would be granted to the Ukrainians.

In any case I've been eager to bring UA chicks to this side of Europe without the hustle of getting visas.

DudeNextDoor
06-06-16, 22:28
Since the visa will not be a problem for European travels anymore, they will line up guys to pay for their passport fees.

I go to Ukrain almost every month. I invite the ones over to my current city Istanbul (no visa needed) or to a resort near Antalya during summer. They all say they do not have passport. They need Money for a passport. Soon I find out most of them have passports already. At this point, I play along with their game and ejoy myself as much as I can. Never believe what a Ukranian chick tells you. They have plenty of fairy tales to tell as long as you are willing to listen.

Once all the good looking ones venture out to Europe, we will end up with the below avarage girls.


What's the latest for the visa-free travel to EU for the Ukrainians?

Is it happening on July 1st? Or September 1st?

I just heard that for the Georgians it had been pushed back further from October 1st.

In this climate of too many refugees into the EU it's hard to imagine that it would be granted to the Ukrainians.

In any case I've been eager to bring UA chicks to this side of Europe without the hustle of getting visas.

Kingmax Xx
06-06-16, 22:30
I was about to say she looks like Susan Boyle in the face nice legs though.

Thanks for the link anyway.She has nice body although I do not believe she is only 18.

DavidJung
06-07-16, 08:22
I had such a wonderful time in Kiev. I have done a lot of research before visit Kiev. It was my second visit. My first visit was just normal and plane same as you guys. Order a girl from massage or website. Few girls prearranged to meet from Mamba. I had such a great time in my first visit too.

After first visit, I try hard on Social network to get some real armature girls. So I got more than 100 contact list before visit Kiev. Most of girls are college students. Ages from 18 to 21.

Day 1.

I arrived in Kiev at late night. But I didn't want waste my very first night in Kiev. I meet prearranged girl name Alina. She was stunning beauty and only 18.172 cm height, size 3, slim.

Bad English but still communicable with google translator. Most of Ukrainian girls are not punctual. I supposed to meet her at 11 pm but she turn out at 12 pm. We went Buddha bar for drink. We spent one hour there for few drink. I was so horny, her cleavage was so sexy and her attitude was great. So I went back to my apartment immediately. Blow job and sex was great. She was a real armature. Never had an experienced such a meeting with foreigner. She didn't even ask money first. Great sex and BBBJ. Such a wonderful time. But shit, it was her almost last day of period. So we allow me finish her inside. Cream-pied! I was in heaven. We fuck couple of time more all over night. Eventually my bed sheet stained her blood so I ended up to pay 100 uah for cleaning. Next morning, I gave her 2000 for gratitude. And we had a breakfast in Sushiya.

Day 2.

After sending Alina back to home, I take a rest in my apartment to regain my strength.

I arrange to meet new girl, her name is Darya. She was 18 also college girl.

We meet around 1 pm for lunch. We went to Kafka café. It was local restaurant, not expensive at all. She was really pretty naive girl. As soon as food arrives, she took some photos for her Instagram. It was very cute act. We had a great conversation in restaurant. She has a great talent on drawing. Her first boyfriend was 32 YO. First impression about her was just pretty college girl next door. But when we got back to my apartment, she was real monster in bed. She fucked like a crazy. Her wet pussy was so tight and cried aloud. We fucked many different position and she ask me to cum in her mouth. What a surprise, she swallowed it. Not spit it out. Even all my ex-girlfriends are never swallowed. But she did! I was so touched and impressed. She never ask me to put condom on and just started suck my dick. So we did bareback. After great sex, we change cloth and went to Opera. Like a real date, after opera, we had a dinner in Arena City then another good time in my apartment. We fucked more than 3 times during night, but I didn't come every time. I wanted to save my energy for next girls. She told me that it was the greatest sex in her life. Anyway, It was great compliment for me and I was happy about it. Next morning, we had good-morning sex and I let her go with 2000. She was very happy with the money and date.

Continue.

Britisher
06-07-16, 16:01
I try hard on Social network to get some real armature girls. So I got more than 100 contact list before visit Kiev. Most of girls are college students. Ages from 18 to 21.Can you share with us, the modus operandi of contacting girls on social network? Any particular website? If you are using facebook, what are you putting in the search function, to get them?

Hows their English when you write to them?

Are all of them looking for money or are they trying to act as if they want something else etc etc?

Britisher
06-07-16, 16:04
Hi guys,

With my schedule, I can only go to Kiev in last week November or first week December. I know it will be cold and negative temperature. But how does it really feel? Is the weather really nasty? And how does one move in such weather?

Does UBER exist in Kiev? How are taxi prices in Kiev and are they safe?

What are the things to do in Kiev in day time especially in trying to meet non-pros; without previous contact.

Riina
06-07-16, 18:07
What are the things to do in Kiev in day time especially in trying to meet non-pros; without previous contact.Hunt on K street. You will be amazed at how receptive and eager college age girls are to chatting with foreigners. I never pulled a hooker but the girls were open to sharing their Whats App number and taking fotos. It's the first step in possibly finding a sponsoret. If you can't manage to go up to a girl and ask if she's from Kiev, just stay home.

SgtBoyle2
06-07-16, 20:41
Hi guys,

With my schedule, I can only go to Kiev in last week November or first week December. I know it will be cold and negative temperature. But how does it really feel? Is the weather really nasty? And how does one move in such weather?

Does UBER exist in Kiev? How are taxi prices in Kiev and are they safe?

What are the things to do in Kiev in day time especially in trying to meet non-pros; without previous contact.Kiev in late November / early December can actually be quite clement. Not a lot different from England actually. Last year there was very little snow before Christmas. Even when there is snow and cold there's no problem with transport. The problem is that the girls won't be on the streets and won't be wearing lovely short dresses. Aah summer in Kiev!

Sorbonne
06-07-16, 23:56
Since the visa will not be a problem for European travels anymore, they will line up guys to pay for their passport fees.

I go to Ukrain almost every month. I invite the ones over to my current city Istanbul (no visa needed) or to a resort near Antalya during summer. They all say they do not have passport. They need Money for a passport. Soon I find out most of them have passports already. At this point, I play along with their game and ejoy myself as much as I can. Never believe what a Ukranian chick tells you. They have plenty of fairy tales to tell as long as you are willing to listen.

Once all the good looking ones venture out to Europe, we will end up with the below avarage girls.I'm from the USA but am currently living in Germany. I typically go to Ukraine only once a year.

When I was in the USA, I invited one UA girl to Croatia and to Dominican Repbulic and once in Germany, I invited another UA girl to Antalya, Turkey. They were less than half my age. I paid for all the travel cost for them but nothing more.

Both of them already had passports and did not lie about it. I guess I have been lucky.

DavidJung
06-08-16, 03:34
Day 3.

I was so tired for consecutive sex for 2 days, take some rest in my apartment, but I don't want waste my time, arrange to meet new girls. One tip for not wasting your time for you guys. As I mentioned, most of Ukrainian girls are not punctual. So don't trust girls to come on time unless you reconfirm before meeting many times. And better to make a backup plan. I arrange to meet a girl name Bashynska who declined my offer for meeting with intimacy but allow me to meet as a friend. She was very hot and speaks very good English, so I decide to meet her for lunch. Actually, she was kind of uptown girl. Differ from other girls I already meet before. Possessing kind of royal and gentle attitude. She studies Economy and international relationship in Shevchenko University. The prestigious university in Ukraine. We had great conversation about many different fields and I really wanted to get her. But you only allow me to have a date but no sex. After couple of hours of date, I send her back. After that, I arrange to meet new girl. Olivia. She was not a college girl. Kind of semi-pro, single mom. 20 year old 164 cm, 45 kg. Very slime and firm body. She was an amateur boxer. I asked her to bring some weed and she brought some for free. She didn't speak any English. All of our conversation was made through google translator. She fucked like a crazy horse. Especially when she rides on me. We spend 3 hours together and I send her back with 1000.

I supposed to meet new college girl for dinner, but she didn't turn out. So I send many urgent messages from my list. One girl responded later evening, she came to my apartment directly. She came to my apartment around 11 pm. College girl, 19 YO, 167,52,kg size 2. Score 7 8. Speak fairly good English, we drank some whisky which I bought from duty free shop, her blowjob was fantastic. I think all Ukrainian girls do deep throat blowjob as a courtesy. All individual blowjob has different pattern and own skills. I really enjoyed it. Her tits are very firm and hard. Great shape. I stated with condom but as play time prolonged, she allow me to do bareback. I was really unable to finish with condom. After good and long sensual session, we feel asleep. I hold her in my chest and we slept like a real lover. Next morning, we had one more session to wake our body up and I send her back with 1800. She didn't even ask money before meeting, just asked me to help some money. I had not enough currency so I gave her only 1800. She was very happy about what I gave her. She said she has one regular sponsor and meet once in a week. I didn't ask her how much she would get from him. I think many college girls from outside Kiev have a sponsor relationship.

Day 4.

I participated in Chernobyl tour in the morning. Came back around 7 pm.

Tour was great. It is really worth to visit once.

I arranged to meet a girl for dinner. But she didn't show up time and she insisted she want came to my place directly due to heavy rain. She was the hottest in I ever meet in Kiev. 9 10 rating.

She looks like exactly Paris Hilton. 170 cm, 49 kg, size 2. And blonde. Speaking good English.

Her families are in Berlin. She will leave Ukraine as soon as finish College in here. She was club lover. From Fri to Sun she goes club for dance. I'm sure she must be one of the hottest girl in Kiev club. We had few drinks and talked. She was hot but her attitude was kind of *****. She was very hesitated to having sex with me. But finally we did. But it was just missionary fuck. No kiss and no blowjob. And she was keep nagging to finish early. After finish session, she wanted to go home and would come back after school. I promised her to give 3000 for staying overnight but she wanted to go home around 12 pm. So I gave her 1000. She was little upset and left my apartment without a word. I was so tired and fell asleep after she left.

Day 5.

I had a good walking around historical area in Kiev in the morning and take some rest for afternoon meeting.

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I meet new girl Lilia. She was type writer. But I didn't know such a job still existed on this earth. Anyway, she speaks good English and no problem to communicate. I booked an Opera ticket that night so I wanted to with her. But she told me that she doesn't like to go opera and prefer to stay in my apartment. And she keep saying that she was tired and her answer and attitude was kind of negative. And she was late for an hour. I didn't want to waste my evening. So I send her back and gave her 200 for taxi. I enjoyed Opera by myself and send a message to first night girl Alina who keep sent me a message to see me again. We meet late evening and had a great session same as first night. She also allow me to come in her mouth. We drank a lot of alcohol and had a real good fun that night. She left home around 5 am to pick her friend up at the airport. It sound strange but we must go to pick her up because her best friend lives together and she hasn't got a key to enter her apartment. I gave her 1000 and she kissed me with smile and left.

Day 6.

I was so busy in the morning to looking for a property to buy in Kiev. I arranged two girls to meet afternoon and evening. But I still want to make a backup plan. So I turn on Mamba. As soon as I turn on mamba, several girls send me a message for meeting. But price was so ridiculous and I didn't want to meet a pro anymore. I sent several message to only good looking girl. One girl reply me with little bit of anger. Insisting she is not a prostitute and sending this kind of message is humiliating her and hurt her. However, she needs some money. What the fuck. What an irony? I assure her to meet later evening because I had to meet new girls for lunch. I meet a girl around 1 pm, her name was Katrina. 19 YO, 170 cm, 50 kg, size 3 and ginger. Actually, it was my first time to having sex with ginger. We had lunch at a French restaurant near Maidan. She hardly eat her dish. She said the dish was great but she don't want to eat. Most of Ukrainian girls I met hardly eat any food. They really try their best to keep their body slim. Even in sushi restaurant, they ate only for couple of slice of sushi and not eating anymore. She is full time university student and has a job after school. Working as a supermarket manager and get paid 3000 a month. I think this is kind of normal wages for girl for full time job. So gents don't pay too much to spoil these girls. She agreed to stay with me couple of hours for 1000. Her body was so great and almost perfect figure. Her blow job was great and I really love to watch her body. Her pussy and tits are perfect pink color. She really work on hard to make me cum. She allowed me to do anal without condom and let me cum inside her anal. It was great. I had such a wonderful time with her. She also has regular Turkish sponsor too, meeting once in a week, occasional trip to turkey or Egypt. I think it is very common to have a Turkish boyfriend or sponsor among Ukrainian college girls. I send her back with 1000 and she wanted to comeback after work.

I send a message again to a girl from mamba which I contact earlier today. She was keep decline my offer and finally decided to come for dinner. We meet around 7 pm and went sushi restaurant for dinner. During dinner she talk about her situation. Her parents live in Donetsk and they suffered from war and not able to send money to her. But she was wearing a decent cloth and she was the most beautiful girl I ever meet in Kiev. I'm sure she was 9 or 10. Looks like Amanda Seyfried. Perfect body shape. Blonde. She was too good to be true in front of me. I was so horny and eager to get her with any cost. But she decline to go with me. And she said, she came to here to meet to give a good impression about Ukrainian girl and not all Ukrainian girls are willing to have a sex for money. I was feeling sorry about this and let her go after dinner. I offered 10,000 her to stay with me but she decline. I was so puzzled. Why she came here to see me? What the hell she wants to do with me? She said, if I like her just pay her 2000. I decline to pay her without benefit. So she went back home. I was disappointed and came back to my apartment. I took some rest in my apartment and decide do go out for drink at Skybar. I never been to this place so I wanted to go. It was karaoke night and not many people were around. Few stunning girls with rich looking middle aged man were there. I sat alone on the big couch and order few drinks and cold dish for myself. All of sudden, I got message from Amanda looking girl. Finally she decide to stay with me for 4000, I accepted it. She was final year of police university and after one month, she will be an police officer and will be relocated to another city soon. She just need some money for one month cost of living urgently. So she needs money now. This is what she said. I was so happy to meet her. It was her first and last time to have a sex with men for money. She had no other choice right now. I took her in my apartment and I took her cloth off. Her body was just perfect. Smooth skin and firm tits. Wet and very tight pussy. It was amazing experience to have a sex with such a beautiful girl. She was the most beautiful girl to have a sex with in my life. I think she was naive and not much experienced to compare with other girls I met before in Kiev. With her beauty, everything was perfect and more than enough. She insists me not to cum inside her and we did bareback. I really enjoyed to play with her and didn't want finish early. But she wants me to finish soon, so I did cum finally. As soon as finish the session, she wanted go home early because she got a physical test early in the morning. I was so disappointed and let her go. But I didn't pay her 4000. I gave her 2000. She was little disappointed but agreed and left my apartment with satisfaction.

Well, this is the end of my Kiev report.

I met 10 girls during 6 night, fuck with 8 girls, and stay overnight with 3 girls.

All bareback and cum in mouth or cream pie.

For me, Kiev is only paradise on this earth.

I love to stay there as long as I can.

Gents be prepared before you go. Do not give any impression you want buy a girl.

Keep insist you want to have a real date and be gentle and treat them nicely as you try hard on your first date.

Good luck!

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LuisVega11
06-08-16, 13:16
When I read this kind of story it makes me laugh.

- " they are not pro. They not expect money. It's first time she told me. Bla bla. " Ukraine is the country where lie is an art of life. So all those they say is bullshit. I meet serious college girl in Kiev any will ever take money for sex. These girl are prostitute. They come with you only for money. Stop spreading false myth to satisfy your ego. You probably is over 40 near 50. You think girl at 18 who go with 50 years old man are not prostitute?

- lot of beautiful girl for 1000 gryvan? I must live in another city but beautiful girl 1000 caught at you. Maybe you should say cute girl. Beautiful for 1000 gryvna. Without proof is all words.

- consider you said mamba is full of pro. I must think you manage to find this girl in VK. Maybe any link to some profile of this girl would be interesting, in contrary your story is just a story. This is a monger forum, we exchange information not read poems. This girl are not virgin. After you they meet already lot of other man to survive.

- a suggestion. Ukraine is first country in Europe with AIDS. Spreading a lot in last years. Bareback with so many girl. Good luck man!

Tomek123
06-08-16, 14:33
Day 3.

I was so tired for consecutive sex for 2 days, take some rest in my apartment, but I don't want waste my time, arrange to meet new girls. One tip for not wasting your time for you guys. As I mentioned, most of Ukrainian girls are not punctual. So don't trust girls to come on time unless you reconfirm before meeting many times. And better to make a backup plan. I arrange to meet a girl name Bashynska who declined my offer for meeting with intimacy but allow me to meet as a friend. She was very hot and speaks very good English, so I decide to meet her for lunch. Actually, she was kind of uptown girl. Differ from other girls I already meet before. Possessing kind of royal and gentle attitude. She studies Economy and international relationship in Shevchenko University. The prestigious university in Ukraine. We had great conversation about many different fields and I really wanted to get her. But you only allow me to have a date but no sex. After couple of hours of date, I send her back. After that, I arrange to meet new girl. Olivia. She was not a college girl. Kind of semi-pro, single mom. 20 year old 164 cm, 45 kg. Very slime and firm body. She was an amateur boxer. I asked her to bring some weed and she brought some for free. She didn't speak any English...And then a lot of guys ask here in the forum-why the Ukrainian chickens have become so accessible and so bad to foreigners? I was here in 2008 and fucked 9-10 and now even 5-6 does not want to have kontakt. What's hell happened?

You spoil the reputation of all-important for as. Is like you there is a stereotype of an foreigner, dirty, deceitful low level man, who considers every dollar.

Your action is a shame even to Ukrainian bandit. Ukrainian even a thief or a bandit will feel ashamed of such an action. In the East of greed against women it is the most shameful for a man. Greed man in Russia.

You could give her in 2500 or 3000 but not only 2000. Why you promised her 4000 if you do not want to pay 4000? Why?

So there is no more trust to foreigners. I was born and raised in the Soviet Union.

Then I, as the son of a Pole went to Poland.

I perfectly speak Russian. You want me to tell you what is now the attitude towards foreigners. Due to the fact that there are guys like you.

Foreigner for to many Ukrainians girls now is cowardly lying greedy bastard / cowardly lying greedy. Now this girl will tell all their friends that it cheated on the 2000. 2000 she could easily find a local guy. No problem. In Kiev a lot of rich Ukrainian guys if girl cute and nice. No problem to find a local sponsor.

You spoil the reputation all Polish, Germany, Italian etc. guys.

Ringudor
06-08-16, 15:45
Hi guys,

With my schedule, I can only go to Kiev in last week November or first week December. I know it will be cold and negative temperature. But how does it really feel? Is the weather really nasty? And how does one move in such weather?

Does UBER exist in Kiev? How are taxi prices in Kiev and are they safe?.Taxis there are totally safe, I never had a problem, my friends also don't, prizes. During night they bring you everywhere in city by 150 grivnas, during day: 100.

I never was in December, a friend of mine was and said me he was -22, totally horrible feeling, mucus literally freezing in his nose, but every year can be different.

Misterxxx
06-08-16, 18:51
Taxis there are totally safe, I never had a problem, my friends also don't, prizes. During night they bring you everywhere in city by 150 grivnas, during day: 100.
NO, NO, NO.

Taxis are not totally safe. Be careful if you take a taxi in the street. Especially at the train station or at the airport.

Even the official "Zuhulyany" airport taxi or the former "Borispol" taxi tried to cheat customers.

And be sure that you have some change in your pocket. Not only 500 Grivna banknotes.

If you call a taxi = No real problem. Or use the Uklon taxi app. The taxi fare in the center is about 50-60 Grivna. The suburbs are more expensive.

If the girls are not professional they don't live in the center.

But it happens very often that the cheap taxi companies can't send you a taxi. Or they will offer a "Lux" car for more money.

Bad weather (for example with snow in the winter or heavy rain in the summer) = It's possible that no regular taxis are available for a few hours.

And in this situation taxi drivers "in the street" quote a minimum of 100 dollars if you have to go to the airport.

Ringudor
06-08-16, 20:18
NO, NO, NO.

Taxis are not totally safe. Be careful if you take a taxi in the street. Especially at the train station or at the airport.

Even the official "Zuhulyany" airport taxi or the former "Borispol" taxi tried to cheat customers.What do you mean by not safe? Cheating in fares? I always accord price before trip, I never had a problem in 3 months there, my friends also don't. Maybe if you don't accord price can be cheated.

PGrand
06-08-16, 20:40
When I read this kind of story it makes me laugh.

- " they are not pro. They not expect money. It's first time she told me. Bla bla. " Ukraine is the country where lie is an art of life. So all those they say is bullshit. I meet serious college girl in Kiev any will ever take money for sex. These girl are prostitute. They come with you only for money. Stop spreading false myth to satisfy your ego. You probably is over 40 near 50. You think girl at 18 who go with 50 years old man are not prostitute?

- lot of beautiful girl for 1000 gryvan? I must live in another city but beautiful girl 1000 caught at you. Maybe you should say cute girl. Beautiful for 1000 gryvna. Without proof is all words.

- consider you said mamba is full of pro. I must think you manage to find this girl in VK. Maybe any link to some profile of this girl would be interesting, in contrary your story is just a story. This is a monger forum, we exchange information not read poems. This girl are not virgin. After you they meet already lot of other man to survive.

- a suggestion. Ukraine is first country in Europe with AIDS. Spreading a lot in last years. Bareback with so many girl. Good luck man!I completely agree with you. This guy has such a bloated ego it must hurt quite considerably!

Perhaps he is a descendant of the brothers Grimm since he has a very vivid fantasy.

I would even consider the possibility that he never was in Kiev and pieced together his 'report' from information he found on this forum.

And the bareback claim is just plain ludicrous and downright dangerous.

We all look forward to the next tall tail from fantasyland.

Can't wait to hear more!

Member #4722
06-08-16, 22:22
Was going to post that this report sounds fishy but someone beat me to it. First you contradict yourself by saying don't mention prostitution in your Mamba messages but then it seems like you did just this as you said some girls were offended by your offer. Also, it's highly doubtful that many women allowed bareback sex. Nice try though!

If this is true I would be very worried until tested. Also that is messed up you shorted the girl after you agreed to a price.

DavidJung
06-09-16, 03:10
Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.

Mskofmsk
06-09-16, 08:51
Guys,

Can you please tell me your ideas on what to do for trip with 400-500 usd daily budget.

Thanks in advance.

Riina
06-09-16, 15:43
I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.
Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene. I met two sisters at DLux and a girl at Shooters, they were smart enough to know not to bring up the issue of money and present themselves as prostitutes. They knew I would feel like one fucking ugly American if I didn't share something afterwards. Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.

Tomek123
06-09-16, 17:51
Gents,

Forgive me if I defer giving out the lady's details for now. I am due back in Kiev at the end of the month and I wouldn't want to find that she's been swept away by a torrent of other mongers.

If you PM me in July I will oblige.https://vk.com/id333567496

My friend fuck this madam. 18 age. Have friend-girl 20 or 21 age. But no CIM, no anal. Blowjob only with condom. Blowjob for local gays 400 in condom. Classic sex 800 uah. Hour. Friend say girl bit strange and stupid and arrogant. But body no bad yet.

When I be in Kiev maybe send her sms.

SgtBoyle2
06-09-16, 17:55
Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.The reasons why I and others are skeptical about parts of your reports is because of the quantity of the girls you say you met and the extent of the services you say they provided.

Your report does not really identify the source of your girls beyond Mamba. Having used Mamba for many years I am astounded that you say that you were able to amass over a 100 contacts before arriving in Kiev. The time involved in establishing such contacts would be considerable. Your success in doing so would have nothing to do with your looks or age as all girls would assume that your profile was false until they met you. Whilst it might be possible to attract such interest by simply offering large sums of money your post does not suggest you did that indeed you seem to have eschewed the more obvious working girls and to have actually paid at the very lowest end of the scale.

In the case of the services you say were provided, I have always found Kiev girls to be particularly conscious of and careful about STDs and unwanted pregnancies. They are more careful than working girls in London and this extends to girls from Mamba, clubs and brothels. Given the state of their health service and the complete absence of any proper system of social security you can understand why they are so worried. For them HIV is a death sentence, while a child spells poverty and loneliness as they struggle to get by as a single mum.

Young fit Ukrainian guys have so much choice they are not likely to marry a girl who already has somebody else's kid.

The idea that they would therefore risk so much for so little money seems extraordinary and is not explained by your alleged youth or good looks. Few Ukrainian girls would allow themselves to be swept off their feet by even a 20 year old male model who speaks Russian let alone a foreigner in his 30's who is careful with his money and yet you say so many of them were.

I have been visiting Kiev for more than 5 years and have acquired at least one LTR and been offered others and I can assure you that one of the principal and acknowledged differences between Ukrainian women and their western counterparts is that they are more level headed even cynical when it comes to men. Time and again women in Kiev have told me that they don't care about age or looks. What they want is a man who will provide for them, treat them nicely and hopefully show them some respect and even affection. The idea therefore that so many of them would risk all for a few thousand hyrvnia strikes me and I suspect many other members as unbelievable.

I am sorry to have to take issue in this way and would normally say that we are all entitled to our own fantasies, indeed in one sense this site is all about fantasies. However your posts give a completely misleading approach that could damage the chances of other mongers.

Yes you can get lucky sometimes but if you do then my advice to those who read this is (1) be generous (not ridiculously so) and never show you care about as little as 2000 hryvnia (even if you do) because if you do they'll think you're cheap or worse still poor (2) be respectful and don't start trying to practice unsafe sex on a first meeting (take your pleasures to the extent and in the form agreed)(3) be interesting by taking them to places they've never been to before and showing them a little luxury (you really don't have to spend much) (4) be more than a one night stand by offering them the possibility of further meetings, foreign travel or even an LTR and sponsorship (you may not actually do it but talking about it at least makes it led of a "wham, bang thank you mam" experience for them).

Finally I'd just like to say that if you really did have unprotected vaginal and anal sex with that many women in Kiev then (if you'll forgive the English sense of humor) you really are one a tool!

Jonathan Pine
06-09-16, 18:51
Your age and looks makes little difference, assuming you are not a geezer and have bad hygiene...... Your youth and nice looks would probably be avoided by a dev whose end game is ultimately money.Riina, I'm not sure I understand what you wrote and I'm very interested to know what you meant by that. Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?

Jonathan Pine
06-09-16, 19:21
I don't know this guy. Don't know what he wrote were true or not. But my personal experience is similar to his. Perhaps it's down to our similarity in age and I guess better looks, whatever that means.

I honestly can't imagine I can do what I am doing if I were much older, or looked much older or heavier. I can actually blend in on Uni campus. I also don't look out of place walking down the street with studentka. Otherwise they wouldn't be comfortable be seen with me by their classmates, professors, friends.

Most of the posts on this board are real I feel. They might differ greatly but they simply reflect the experience and perspective of each individual poster.

And no. I'm not bragging. In fact, it sucks now punting in Russia or Ukraine. It was much much easier 10 years ago. Sometimes I feel like crying how bad the situation has become. If any of you had experienced the good old days, you'd feel like crying now, too. It's dreadful now. But there is no other country better than Rus / Ua.

LuisVega11
06-09-16, 20:24
Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much..Your aspect count zero. They are prostitute. As I said, normal girl don't go for money or arrange meeting for money. You can tell college girl but they just come with you like they do with many other.

Man, of all age and weight.

As is said your report count nothing, is a fairy tell who don't add nothing to the four,. You just contacted thousand of girl in mamba, get 20 answer and pay 10- the police who come and said is my first time, is all bullshit, if it's true.

You should simply post the link of those girl so other monger can enjoy if anything is true. Without link I don't believe practically nothing.

And if you get bareback good luck to you. My friend went to a cute girl who said all bad bad. He sucked only is cock and he got an infection back home that lasted for months. Burning penis for days.

Jonathan Pine
06-10-16, 11:23
Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.

Riina
06-10-16, 14:03
Were you trying to say that being younger and good actually looking hurts one's chances of getting laid in Ukraine?If cash is the motivator, yes.

CumerBareback
06-10-16, 16:35
If you like Sinny girl you can try: http://wamba.com/mb766530946?hit=3. Not cheap but very passionate.

SgtBoyle2
06-10-16, 17:42
Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.The distinction you draw is a valid and important one. Many of the girls I meet are young single mums for the very reasons you state.

My point is that dear Mr Jung is most unlikely to have "caught them while they're young" let alone in the numbers he suggests. As I think we both agree, the naive 18 to 20 year old cannot be got on the internet (let alone in their 100's) they are the preserve of locals and those mongers who speak Russian and spend long periods of time in Kiev. They are difficult to catch other than by serious offers of LTR or even marriage.

I wrote my post in the hope that new mongers reading this forum would not be led into thinking that if they're 30, wear smart clothes and are prepared to spend a very few thousand hyrvnia they can expect all the young virgins of Kiev to instantly drop their knickers and start having unprotected sex. We both know that ain't going to happen and thinking it will can only cause disappointment.

Hope to have a drink with you one day.

Jonathan Pine
06-10-16, 18:08
And then a lot of guys ask here in the forum-why the Ukrainian chickens have become so accessible and so bad to foreigners? I was here in 2008 and fucked 9-10 and now even 5-6 does not want to have kontakt. What's hell happened?

You spoil the reputation of all-important for as. Is like you there is a stereotype of an foreigner, dirty, deceitful low level man, who considers every dollar.

Your action is a shame even to Ukrainian bandit. Ukrainian even a thief or a bandit will feel ashamed of such an action. In the East of greed against women it is the most shameful for a man. Greed man in Russia..Local guys have much worse reputation than foreigners, at least ones from Western countries. You guys want to know why the girls are so cynical? Because they are the products of the environment! Just look at the local guys! Just look at their fathers!! Oops sorry, I forgot. They don't have fathers! A generation of young girls without fathers! Of course the girls are cynical because they don't want to end up like their mothers! Local guys lie and cheat and do all sorts of nasty things. They make us Western guys look like Boy Scouts I kid you not!

So of course the girls are so cynical and don't believe anything guys say.

It's the local guys fucking things up for us, not the other way around. We're the good guys and the world's police, LOL. Just kidding!

Mskofmsk
06-11-16, 11:21
If you like Sinny girl you can try: http://wamba.com/mb766530946?hit=3. Not cheap but very passionate.What price does she ask?

How14
06-11-16, 13:56
Boyle, you wrote that girls are more level headed than their counterparts in Western Europe.

Well, yes and no. Just like everything in Russia, they tend to swing to both extreme sides. Yes the girls are practical and realistic, because if they don't choose a man wisely, the consequences can be dire. Lack of social security protection, etc.

On the other hand, they can also be so naive or pure. They believe that the boys (yes, they just young boys) they meet while they are in high school or university love them. Well the boys just want to fuck them. We know that but the girls don't. Their heads are filled with flowers and romantic dreams. They like to say it's "lubov". So the girls get married and get knocked up between the ages of 18-22. Then then get cheated on, dumped and become single mothers. This is when they wise up and become cynical. Unfortunately we foreign punters tend to get involved with this lot. Because they're the ones on Mamba or wherever. The sweetest and simplest girls are taken off the market at a very young age by local guys already.

There is s book I highly recommend you perverts to read. It's called Bang Ukraine. The author did a good job describing Ukrainian society, girls and dating dynamics in the country. Getting laid is not easy. It's hard work and we need all the tools we can get.Why do you keep referring here to Russian girls on Kiev thread? They are very different people, you should know that.

LuisVega11
06-11-16, 16:02
-I read 1000 graven or 1500 are considered by many here few money. Are you serious? The problem in Kiev is many foreigner goes to Kiev and pour 2000 3000 gryvna for every pussy even village girl. 1000 gryvna is enough for many girl. Salary in Kiev are 3000 for shop assistant. 6000 bank office. And you think 1000 gryvna for a pair of hours is " malo". Craziness.

Said this I stay in Kiev long period and so I cannot pay every day 2000 gryvna. I sponsor some have many girlfriend collected with time, that are much beautiful than what I see in mamba, and most of them never asked any money or gift. But you need time to make this friendship.

Speaking about the post of Dr. Jung. In mamba nowadays is even difficult find a 5 6 agree for 40 dollar. I am 36 very good looking with good portfolio of photos, so if what Jung said should bang easily hundred of girls. So I wrote many message to young girl. Few answered not many. Very few talked about sex and not even the youngest or the cutest. Pretty normal girl. 6 6,5 in Kiev scale.

One village girl short not great shape cute face said to me " 1000 gryvna is malo". She had photo she live in run down apartment. 1000 gryvna she will earn in 2 weeks of job in future. But she think she's worth more. Second girl is older, big ass, normal face, attitude of a supermodel, I said 50 euro hour. She answered " take for your whiskey".

This is to say that hundreds of contact, 18 model girl, who come to appointment, agree to fuck for 1000 graven with bareback anal come in mouth swallow and all for multiple hour It's a complete BS. And will only have the effect to attract people who will be heavily disappointed. Kiev needs time to discover the real gem, student mostly from outside Kiev, few days stay home my suggestion.

LuisVega11
06-11-16, 16:04
Why do you keep referring here to Russian girls on Kiev thread? They are very different people, you should know that.Same type. They earn more and for this more freedom to choice but most of them as Ukrainian only look for money and gift. It's Soviet mentality. Every Ukrainian guy will tell you exactly this. So who are you to deny this?

BrasilSoccer0
06-12-16, 06:10
When reading your story I can't see any photos! I post photos for proof.

Do yo have any ohotos?


Some guys blame me to pay less than what I promised to pay before meeting. I agree with them the sum of money for staying overnight. Not short time. So had to pay less that what I had promised. If they stayed with me overnight, I would pay full amount money. I have no idea why some guys blame me about this issue. So all of you guys pay even a girl not keeping their promise?

I don't think you wouldn't. All of my story is true and not a fairy tail. Maybe I'm not that old as you guys. I'm only 32 year old and athletic figure, wearing neatly. Most of girl I meet couldn't figured out my age correctly. Presumed my age around 25 or 26. Also I always paid what I promised in the first position if they keep the promise.

I'm really happy to read all your doubtful comments. Which mean my experience in Kiev was exceptional and most of you guys didn't experienced that much.

I always tried my best on each girl I meet and never treated them as a prostitute. Maybe you guys just laugh at me and regard me as a bullshit lier. But I really don't care about what you guys said. I just wanted to share all my experience with you guys. Because I was been very helped for many other destinations.

You are right, if your age is over 40, 50 and ugly fat monster, you should spend more to make them happy. But I'm not the case.

I can share more detailed information if you guys need it. Thanks.

LuisVega11
06-13-16, 11:35
When reading your story I can't see any photos! I post photos for proof.

Do yo have any ohotos?There is nothing to trust or verify.

At least one of the addendum of the equation is false.

- money paid.

-quality of girl.

-number of girl.

Service.

-attitude.

Finding hundreds of woman of 18-20 in mamba is nowadays impossible. Is much easier for old man than you. The aspect count nothing with girl who want money for sex. Old man pay more an fuck less.

I have been 10 times for long period in Kiev and this is a fairy tales. Kiev is nowadays difficult than 3 years ago, exponentially. For 1000 gryvna you can bang normal girl not certain sex goddess with superb body like said here.

Maybe in other city but doubt.

LuisVega11
06-13-16, 13:02
When reading your story I can't see any photos! I post photos for proof.

Do yo have any ohotos?In addiction most of the new age of Ukrainian teenager and young guy, can easily compete with any man in the world as far as attitude towards girl, physical aspect, I'd say from what I seen there is no comparison between Ukrainian, 90% of guy have body much more trained than any foreigner I have met and seen in Kiev, and also they are becoming dressing much better.

So young Ukrainian girl don't need any foreigner as far as aspect and sex quality, watch some Russian porn for example. There are few cases but most of teen are very difficult, also they tend to be problematic and can create much trouble than joy.

The problem is that review like this make people flow in Kiev, saturating apartment for renting and increasing cost of anything, without actually any benefit for people who go there 3 4 days and at the end go to some brothel to find a mediocre pussy to bang.

Riina
06-13-16, 16:50
The problem is that review like this make people flow in Kiev, saturating apartment for renting and increasing cost of anything, without actually any benefit for people who go there 3 4 days and at the end go to some brothel to find a mediocre pussy to bang.Very little mongering value left in Kiev unless you are truly plugged in. After the crisis, the tourists stopped visiting and the semi pros pretty much disappeared.

Danim
06-15-16, 12:50
Hi everyone,

I am going to Kiev by the end of this month and I have a question to the experienced mongers because I could not find what I need by reading the posts in here. So does anyone has phone numbers for apartments that has girls in Kiev! I mean the apartments that you call to get their address and they will have several girls to choose from and have and use a room inside the apartment to spend some time with the girl you choose; it would be great if you have physical addresses but if you don't, phone numbers of apartments anywhere in Kiev (downtown or outside) would be appreciated! I promise to write a report after I come back next month especially that strip clubs and massage salons are not my main thing, I like the apartments girls.

Thank you in advance!

Riina
06-15-16, 15:10
Just reflecting on my trip. My biggest Kiev disappointment is that their is just no place where you can go and examine the merchandise. I tried Rio and came to the conclusion it is just a step away from pure tourist trap. The girls are very average and of course the one hottie in the LU was not open to takeout.

My second biggest disappointment is Mamba. It's all jaded twat not worth paying.

My third biggest disappointment is the lost of vibrancy in nightlife. The clubs with really beautiful women won't let in grown up single foreigners. I had to bribe my way into Skybar and that's just not acceptable.

The only real fun I had was the afternoon hunts on K Street to chat with college girls. It's very stimulating, something I can't do in America, but I never got any sex out of it. I found some fun in the clubs but I think I was just lucky. I tried Gia twice because I wanted some real hardcore action and they delivered. I met Natasha (her first day) and Zlata. Both girls gave me forty five minutes of pure rock star performance. But the thing about that is it's expensive and the girls are in their later twenties. No nice wet pussies.

I wish they would allow something like the river boat with independents again.

Misterxxx
06-15-16, 18:54
Hi everyone,

I am going to Kiev by the end of this month and I have a question to the experienced mongers because I could not find what I need by reading the posts in here. So does anyone has phone numbers for apartments that has girls in Kiev! I mean the apartments that you call to get their address and they will have several girls to choose from and have and use a room inside the apartment to spend some time with the girl you choose; it would be great if you have physical addresses but if you don't, phone numbers of apartments anywhere in Kiev (downtown or outside) would be appreciated! I promise to write a report after I come back next month especially that strip clubs and massage salons are not my main thing, I like the apartments girls.

Thank you in advance!Paid sex is not legal. Maybe you've heard that.

Raids in illegal brothels are constantly shown on TV.

Almost all change the address. Regularly.

That is the reason why there is no address in the form.

Only strip clubs and massage parlors have a fixed address.

Pistons
06-15-16, 23:38
I really like ukrainian girls, but is ukraine (and Kiev) the best place to go? Or is Poland better? I hear lots of ukrainians work in places like Sopot etc.

And is the nightclubs the best place to hook up freelancers in Kiev? The rest of the paid sex scene looks awful from what I gather. I've only been to ukraine once and felt it was horrible.

JohnDe
06-16-16, 16:35
For the last 2 nights I walked the length of Kretschatyk Street and can confirm that there was no pussy for sale. It was mid week so I will try again on Friday and Saturday night but it is not promising because of the excessive police presence. Police every few hundred meters is great for security but not for prostitutes. Does anyone know where prostitutes can be found in Kiev in the street or in venues like hotel lobbies? I would rather see the woman before engaging in her services so I stay away from websites.

Ringudor
06-16-16, 17:10
When reading your story I can't see any photos! I post photos for proof.

Do yo have any ohotos?It was all the history a pure fantasy, I guess he never was in Kiev.

Misterxxx
06-16-16, 21:03
For the last 2 nights I walked the length of Kretschatyk Street and can confirm that there was no pussy for sale. It was mid week so I will try again on Friday and Saturday night but it is not promising because of the excessive police presence. Police every few hundred meters is great for security but not for prostitutes. Does anyone know where prostitutes can be found in Kiev in the street or in venues like hotel lobbies? I would rather see the woman before engaging in her services so I stay away from websites.It's holiday season. And the crisis is already over. Go to the beach. Or to Odessa.

Riina
06-17-16, 01:17
For the last 2 nights I walked the length of Kretschatyk Street and can confirm that there was no pussy for sale. It was mid week so I will try again on Friday and Saturday night but it is not promising because of the excessive police presence. Police every few hundred meters is great for security but not for prostitutes. Does anyone know where prostitutes can be found in Kiev in the street or in venues like hotel lobbies? I would rather see the woman before engaging in her services so I stay away from websites.You do not walk Khretschatyk, you hunt Khrestschatyk. Pick a spot in the square in front of McD and look deeply into the crowd. I never found hookers, but I did find girls willing to return to my apartment and drink beer with me. This is Lina and her friend. They are almost twenty one. I bought them sushi and they jerked me off.

Riina
06-17-16, 01:59
The first step up to the McD entrance was my favorite perch. Constant flow of young poon waiting for their girlfriends to exit the metro.

Jonathan Pine
06-17-16, 10:44
The first step up to the McD entrance was my favorite perch. Constant flow of young poon waiting for their girlfriends to exit the metro.Yes it's a bit like bird watching isn't it? And it's spectacular watching them. And what a glorious sight! Been doing the same thing myself. I see more birds in one day than all my years combined as a student back home before.

I hope it'll be many more years before they get visa free travel to EU.

Enjoy while you can!

CallSign Papa
06-17-16, 20:29
One point that doesn't get mentioned much is the weather. For me it really does make the city a different place in the glorious sunshine. Skirts are shorter, heels are higher, and the people are generally happier. Compare it to February where 99% of the populace walk around with a face like a smacked arse.

On my recent visit I was greeted with 5 days of awesome weather and it definitely contributed to a successful trip. Got to hang out with a fellow ISG member, had some beers, some laughs and a damn good time. Had my dance card pretty full between Mamba hookups and legacy contacts. It had been 6 months since my last visit but most of the numbers in my phone were still active and whatsapp was on fire from the moment I landed. This trip was about working out who the quality lays would be rather than my usual rush through girl after girl.

I can totally understand why first time visitors (especially those that have read old reports) feel disappointed with the place. It's disconcerting without a prefunctory understanding of Russian or Ukrainian. The people can seem grumpy or outright unfriendly, and every time you get into a cab you might as well bend over (Uklon app is the only way to use taxis). And for seasoned vets coming back after a hiatus from the city, yeah, it's definitely not what it was. The game has changed. There are better mongering cities that Kiev.

The simple fact is, if you're just here for a few days and haven't built up some contacts, you probably feel like you're missing all the fun. You know it's out there but you just can't find it.

But Mamba does still yield results if you don't mind paying the pittance to go VIP and use the advanced search option. My last trip I met 4 girls and not one was a bait and switch (harder to do now they get pre-screened on whatsapp or viber). Two were 20, slim, respectably kinky and reasonably priced (1200). One looked 15 years older than her photos, but ended up being great conversation, and one was your typical moody pro.

The nightlife in Kiev is fucking fantastic, whether you're just hanging out in sports bars or drinking at Decadence and the Arena bars. The beer and food is as cheap as anywhere in this part of the world (Skybar / the'Lux notwithstanding) given the currency decline. Personally I can't wait to get back (and it'll be soon).

Gaolegao366
06-18-16, 03:45
Hi guys,

I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, one of my friend is thinking about study abroad in Kiev from January to May for college. I have been reading the forum that so many hot girls in Kiev have left to other countries or have boyfriends already, so it is going to be difficult to find hot girls in college there? If so what college have more beautiful girls? Financially he could totally support himself, especially the economy is going down so quick in Kiev.

He has been asking me if it is worth the time to go study in Kiev and have a good time during the winter and spring because I have traveled so many places, personally I have been to many countries but never been to Russia or Ukraine so I have no idea what those places are like. But people told me that Eastern European girls are very reserved.

So here are the questions:

Could you still have a fun time there during the winter with the cold weather.

Do you have to speak local language or English is enough.

How much does it cost to live there, like live in a nice apartment near school, food, clothes and etc.

Is finding a long-term relationship is easy.

Or being a sponsor is even better.

Rammstein2
06-18-16, 10:21
Hello,

This is my first posting here.

I am in Kiew for the fifth time now and I am convinced that its a great city to have fun with girls for good prices.

I am not looking for pros or even not for semipros but for girls who want to be sponsored or simple long term.

Relationships.

At the beginning the best way to become acquainted with girl is of course Mamba. That's a hard job. Don't think you.

Can manage it in some hours or days. You need weeks and month to get a good list of girls. But it's worth it.

Now I have a list from about 80 girls: I met with about 20 girls. Have had sex with 6 of them. 2 of them are my long term girls now.

One of these 6 girls only want to do Bill Clinton Sex. She did it for 300 Griwna and she is coming whenever I call her.

4 girls want to have 300 or 500 or more (no girl is a 9 or 10).

24 girls want to have 200 (for some hours).

30/100 (+taxi) some of them came from agency.

14 want to have between 1.500 to 2.500 Griwna (55 to 90) mostly for several hours or a night.

4 want to have 1.000 griwna.

The rest of girls want to have a cafe or to have a dinner first.

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Misterxxx
06-18-16, 11:58
Could you still have a fun time there during the winter with the cold weather.Nightlife is more nice if the weather is cold. Clubs will be full. In the summer you can go to the beach-bars. But the discos will be quite empty (as long as you don't go to Odessa and other holiday resorts).


Do you have to speak local language or English is enough.No. You don't need the language to find girls. Sometimes it's even better if the girls don't know that you understand them. But the choice will be bigger if you know the Russian or Ukrainian language.


How much does it cost to live there, like live in a nice apartment near school, food, clothes and etc.Top life-style = Top money. At this moment it's not easy to find an apartment for small budget. A lot of people from eastern-Ukraine came to Kiev. And after the summer the students looking for cheap apartments, too. A normal looking apartment is 500 $+ a month. A stylish apartment 1000 $+ a month. Suburbs are cheaper. But don't expect to rent a good place for 100-200 $ a month. For this money you will get a "soviet-style apartment" and have to go 30-60 min to the center.

This is what you can get for 200 $ - 20 min from the center (by metro): http://olx.ua/obyavlenie/sdaetsya-odna-komnatnaya-kvartira-v-5-minutah-peshkom-ot-m-beresteyskaya-IDl4Quy.html.

Clothes = The same money that you have to pay in western europe. Sometimes even more expensive. Diesel, Guess +30/40% (only cheaper if you go to the markets and buy fake-brands).

Food = Bread is cheap. Business lunch in the restaurants or a McDonald's meal about 3-4 dollars (if you want to have a cheap life). Burger bars (Lucky Luciano or Star Burger. Use google) about 10-20 $ if you come with 2 persons. Everything else depends on the life-style that you need.


Is finding a long-term relationship is easy.I never had a problem to find a long-term relationship in the past 10 years. Now I'm 44 and still don't see any problem to find a new relationship (as long as I offer a nice life-style for the girl).


Or being a sponsor is even better.What kind of quality do you like. ? The best girls want to have a good life-style + a lot of money. Don't expect 200-300 $ a month if you want to be her only "boy". And don't expect a "10" for this amount (as long as you are not a "10" for the girl).

Jonathan Pine
06-18-16, 18:42
I agree with Misterxxx.

In order to maximize your chances of getting laid as an exchange student. The best way would be to kind of live the life like Rogbey Dangerfield in movie Back to School. Or Old School, staring Owen Wilson.

Sure one can do Ukraine or Kiev on a tight budget, but in order to maximize this golden opportunity, one needs to think big and spend big. Hell you only live once and will only get this one opportunity in your life.

Here is what I'd do if I were 20 years younger studying abroad in Kiev. I'd go borrow all the money I could from my folks and babushka. Then rent a very nice palatial pad in the center of Kiev. Fully furnished of course, with superb style. Then invite Ukrainian classmates or whoever hit girl you see in school to come to your swanky pad for parties. I'd put up flyers on campus. You want your pad to be known by coeds as the party central. You'll need to stock up on booze and all the goodies. Hire a DJ or whatever. Refreshments and shit, too. You'll want your place to be so swanky and stylish and luxurious that girls will want to hang out there and don't want to ever leave. Go apply for all the credit cards before you go and max them all out in Kiev.

Typical student housing is so crappy so if your place is good enough than all the girls are going to want to hangout there and fuck your brain out in exchange to staying in your pad. And the average studentka is so poor if she's from the province. So if you have a fistful of cash and be known to be very generous, yeah you'll fuck everyday until your duck falls off.

Trust me, you'll never ever get this pussy fest in your life ever again. Do it big.

Straun
06-19-16, 00:16
Say you were looking to be a sponsor, and find that "9-10" girl. I'm relatively young 41, look like I'm 30. Not horrible to look at, and pretty charming (at least in my mind). But I can't even begin to figure out where in Kiev to find these girls to even discuss the possibilities.

Tried using agencies like dream-marriage and wow. Are those scams. You can literally spend 4 months talking to a girl there, show up to meet her, and oh she'll show up, but she'll have no idea who you are because she wasn't the one using her profile in the first place.

So finding these "college girls" 9's and 10's like that, that would even consider an American sponsor that "who knows" might lead to something more. Where would you even begin? Just show up and go to a bar and hope you run into some? Kind of an odd conversation to have?

As far as using mamba goes I have horrible horrible luck. I can't even use that site for 5 minutes without the site banning me just for sending out 8-9 different emails. It's absolutely absurd. So.

Hoping to hear some suggestions on how to do some ground work to 'find' these girls before actually going out there. Given if you just go blind and try to show up to a bar and hope for the bets you end up sitting in your hotel alone for most of your trip.

Protocol
06-19-16, 04:19
Sorry but your word is some fiction. What is Miami? This is a joke? My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.

I met a girl once on one of these websites who wanted to come travel and asked for nothing. Six months later the next time we traveled she asked for $300. A year later she asked for $2,000 to go and I said no. The reason is that she saw some of the world and re-evaluated her worth. Any girl who is above standard looking in Kiev is going to be way above standard looking elsewhere. I can see her photos on social media so someone is paying for it because she continues to go everywhere she wants to go. I know a good number of these girls who are model quality in looks and they have a constant stream of photos from Monaco, Dubai, Maldives, Paris, London, Switzerland. The carousel never stops. These five star hotel rooms are not paid for at checkin with a smile.

They have options to go, so they go. I have friends who have had the private jet sent for them from Dubai to pick them up.

These girls are not standing around on the street to meet 55 year old guys with pot bellies from Istanbul and argue with them over 1000 UAH.

Why are they going to go to a club like Rio and work every night with the hope of taking home $500 or $1000 in a week when someone will throw $3 k at them over social media to join them for a week in Monaco or Maldives?

What is happening is simple economics.

1. The barriers to access for foreigners to come to Ukraine continue to fall (went from soviet style visa requirements to visa free travel). This means more competition.

2. Local wealth only ever goes up meaning ever less reason for one of them to spend their time with you. More competition.

3. Barriers to access to the rest of the world for the girls continues to fall which means that the best go to the best opportunities (more competition) and leave behind those who can't achieve those best opportunities (less supply).

4. Instagram is showing them the world and showing them to the world and they want to go places, and people want to take them and will pay.

I made the mistake once of reviewing a hotel on Tripadvisor that had no reviews and it was a small luxury hotel and quite beautiful. It was priced above midrange but was great value for the luxury. Three years after I made this posting the price was so high I couldn't go there anymore. Now, eventually the secret would get out. Information can't stay locked up as much as we'd like it to be locked up.

Once that happens economics takes over.

Once a 10/10 perfect blonde realizes that some guy in Miami (google it) will send her $10,000 to come over for one week, she is off the pole at Rio dude. She is not going to be standing at the bar in Buddha Bar 4 days a week hoping to find one guy to get $500 out of.

I know a blonde who had one guy send her $4000 just for her to "get a visa", let alone what he's going to give her when she gets there. He hasn't even met this girl yet and he sent her this.

All of the above is an inevitable spiral.

There will always be little anecdotes of things being different. When the tide goes out there are still a few waves that come up the shoreline. But the tide is inevitable. The more open Ukraine gets, the more opportunities there are abroad and the more people read people's fantasy posts on this board where they exaggerate a homely girl into some playboy model that they conquered in order to get some worthless points for impressing punters online that they will never meet. The more of those posts that are made, the more guys will strap on their boots and come to Ukraine.

The girls go, and the men arrive, and the locals make more money: and that means the same thing it always means: quality goes down, expense goes up, old timers complain it isn't like it used to be and wonder why.

Well every girl who is 5/10 that you guys bang and then brag about it here you convince one more guy to come to Kiev and compete with you for what's left. For the rest of it, you can't control it and when the visa wall comes down every last half decent looking girl is going to leave and try her luck elsewhere. There is more money out there than there are beautiful girls. So, you will be left in the tank with whatever wasn't good enough to leave, fighting for the scraps with the 50 year old dudes from Istanbul with their big bellies. Competing over the fat girls and the ugly girls and those of us who saw it before the decline will have the memory of it before it changed.

8 years I've been to Kiev and I saw it change, and when I arrived the real old timers were already complaining. Have your anecdotes and that time that you saw the beautiful girl and took her home and whatever, but the tide is going out my friend. And it's inevitable. The same tide is at work as poor places in the world slowly become more wealthy and the beautiful girls that were there suddenly have better options than being considered a working girl for going after a foreigner with money.

Jonathan Pine
06-19-16, 18:02
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3648934/The-500-000-year-hooker-hired-Goldman-Sachs-banker-sleep-Middle-Eastern-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.

Poker Player 2
06-19-16, 21:36
Sadly, there is much truth in this posting. I saw it happen exactly as described in Tallinn and now I have noticed it in Kiev.

Thank you for the post. Best wishes.


My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.

I met a girl once on one of these websites who wanted to come travel and asked for nothing. Six months later the next time we traveled she asked for $300. A year later she asked for $2,000 to go and I said no. The reason is that she saw some of the world and re-evaluated her worth. Any girl who is above standard looking in Kiev is going to be way above standard looking elsewhere. I can see her photos on social media so someone is paying for it because she continues to go everywhere she wants to go. I know a good number of these girls who are model quality in looks and they have a constant stream of photos from Monaco, Dubai, Maldives, Paris, London, Switzerland. The carousel never stops. These five star hotel rooms are not paid for at checkin with a smile.

They have options to go, so they go. I have friends who have had the private jet sent for them from Dubai to pick them up.

These girls are not standing around on the street to meet 55 year old guys with pot bellies from Istanbul and argue with them over 1000 UAH.

Why are they going to go to a club like Rio and work every night with the hope of taking home $500 or $1000 in a week when someone will throw $3 k at them over social media to join them for a week in Monaco or Maldives?

What is happening is simple economics.

1. The barriers to access for foreigners to come to Ukraine continue to fall (went from soviet style visa requirements to visa free travel). This means more competition.

2. Local wealth only ever goes up meaning ever less reason for one of them to spend their time with you. More competition.

3. Barriers to access to the rest of the world for the girls continues to fall which means that the best go to the best opportunities (more competition) and leave behind those who can't achieve those best opportunities (less supply).

4. Instagram is showing them the world and showing them to the world and they want to go places, and people want to take them and will pay.

I made the mistake once of reviewing a hotel on Tripadvisor that had no reviews and it was a small luxury hotel and quite beautiful. It was priced above midrange but was great value for the luxury. Three years after I made this posting the price was so high I couldn't go there anymore. Now, eventually the secret would get out. Information can't stay locked up as much as we'd like it to be locked up.

Once that happens economics takes over.

Once a 10/10 perfect blonde realizes that some guy in Miami (google it) will send her $10,000 to come over for one week, she is off the pole at Rio dude. She is not going to be standing at the bar in Buddha Bar 4 days a week hoping to find one guy to get $500 out of.

I know a blonde who had one guy send her $4000 just for her to "get a visa", let alone what he's going to give her when she gets there. He hasn't even met this girl yet and he sent her this.

All of the above is an inevitable spiral.

There will always be little anecdotes of things being different. When the tide goes out there are still a few waves that come up the shoreline. But the tide is inevitable. The more open Ukraine gets, the more opportunities there are abroad and the more people read people's fantasy posts on this board where they exaggerate a homely girl into some playboy model that they conquered in order to get some worthless points for impressing punters online that they will never meet. The more of those posts that are made, the more guys will strap on their boots and come to Ukraine.

The girls go, and the men arrive, and the locals make more money: and that means the same thing it always means: quality goes down, expense goes up, old timers complain it isn't like it used to be and wonder why.

Well every girl who is 5/10 that you guys bang and then brag about it here you convince one more guy to come to Kiev and compete with you for what's left. For the rest of it, you can't control it and when the visa wall comes down every last half decent looking girl is going to leave and try her luck elsewhere. There is more money out there than there are beautiful girls. So, you will be left in the tank with whatever wasn't good enough to leave, fighting for the scraps with the 50 year old dudes from Istanbul with their big bellies. Competing over the fat girls and the ugly girls and those of us who saw it before the decline will have the memory of it before it changed.

8 years I've been to Kiev and I saw it change, and when I arrived the real old timers were already complaining. Have your anecdotes and that time that you saw the beautiful girl and took her home and whatever, but the tide is going out my friend. And it's inevitable. The same tide is at work as poor places in the world slowly become more wealthy and the beautiful girls that were there suddenly have better options than being considered a working girl for going after a foreigner with money.

Global Surfer
06-20-16, 00:35
Just reflecting on my trip. My biggest Kiev disappointment is that their is just no place where you can go and examine the merchandise. I tried Rio and came to the conclusion it is just a step away from pure tourist trap. The girls are very average and of course the one hottie in the LU was not open to takeout.

My second biggest disappointment is Mamba. It's all jaded twat not worth paying.

My third biggest disappointment is the lost of vibrancy in nightlife. The clubs with really beautiful women won't let in grown up single foreigners. I had to bribe my way into Skybar and that's just not acceptable.

The only real fun I had was the afternoon hunts on K Street to chat with college girls. It's very stimulating, something I can't do in America, but I never got any sex out of it. I found some fun in the clubs but I think I was just lucky. I tried Gia twice because I wanted some real hardcore action and they delivered. I met Natasha (her first day) and Zlata. Both girls gave me forty five minutes of pure rock star performance. But the thing about that is it's expensive and the girls are in their later twenties. No nice wet pussies.

I wish they would allow something like the river boat with independents again.My information is bit old so please feel free to correct the post.

Not common to find SW on K Street but sometimes possible.

Try Buddha bar on K Street. Expensive but you can chat before you pick them up. I was staying in Kyreshtic hotel so they did not charged me anything.

Caribbean club has standard entry charge and is mixed I. E. Both normal and pros.

Try vodka bar.

Mamba photos are generally fake but quality still ok.

Gia is expensive but there are two cheap agencies. I think one was escortmodel.

Most riverboat people probably moved to the'Lux.

I think it is excellent place for mongering spoiled by political turmoil.

Uphigh
06-20-16, 09:29
My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.).

Guys, could I suggest. .

There aren't a lot of pictures being posted on the Ukraine or Russia forums. And, although there are some good contributors, there is also a lot of noise (especially in the Ukraine forums). As I understand / remember it, Tomek is eastern European himself. I appreciate his reports. As I understand it, he is reporting on the type of girls who are available if you have some language skills and get off the beaten path a bit. He also posts pictures. I for one really appreciate the kind of reporting Tomek is doing.

Also, it goes without saying that no one should be criticized for mistakes made in a language that's not their first language.

I think Tomek's perspective and reports are very valuable, so I wanted to make a post saying that.
In my opinion, Tomek's reports are showing a very important part of the picture. There are a lot of people in Ukraine, including a lot of attractive girls. They can't all be spoiled by westerners or rich locals.

Jojosun
06-20-16, 10:08
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3648934/The-500-000-year-hooker-hired-Goldman-Sachs-banker-sleep-Middle-Eastern-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.Reading the contents it reveals a good deal was had for The Libyan and for Goldman Scahs.

"The prostitute who was allegedly hired by a Goldman Sachs banker to sleep with a Middle Eastern client has been identified as a 25-year-old Russian.

Who earns £500,000 a year. "So it wasn't a one off payment. And according to her (Michella,)" 'I have five clients every day so you can count how many it is for eight years.'

She earns $ 500,000 a year and assuming she is working every day, then she is earning $1370 a day having sex with 5 Guys a day = $273 paid by each guy.

"It claims Goldman abused a relationship of trust and took advantage of 'naive and vulnerable' funds officials to persuade them to invest.

It was alleged in court that Mr Kabbaj paid for his contact Haitem Zarti to fly business class to Dubai, put him up at a five-star hotel and paid £425 for a night with two women. "That's nearly US $616 fpr 2 girls or $ 300 each for t a night of sex in Dubai.

It sounds like a bargain.

Jojosun
06-20-16, 10:35
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3648934/The-500-000-year-hooker-hired-Goldman-Sachs-banker-sleep-Middle-Eastern-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club."Goldman Sachs executive Youssef Kabbaj paid for Haitem Zarti to fly business class to Dubai, put him up at a five-star hotel and paid £425 for a night with two women, to impress his brother Mustafa (right, next to Saif al Islam, General Gaddafi's son)".

£425=$616 for 2 women one of them was Russian hooker, known only as Michella. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1305543/we-track-down-the-12m-hooker-bankers-at-goldman-sachs-paid-to-sleep-with-their-client/.

"She was said to have brought a pal to a hotel in Dubai to romp with a Goldman Sachs banker and the brother of an official from the Libyan Investment Authority.

Michella worked in the United Arab Emirates city at the time and charges the exact same rates as quoted in Kabbaj's texts."

So Michella charges US $ 300 now she is working in Italy according to the SUN "We traced her to Italy where she boasts in an advert: "I have sexy shapes and great appetite for naughty games."

LOL. Now every Tom, Dick, Abdul monger with 3 Benjamins can actually fuck Michella.

Riina
06-20-16, 16:40
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3648934/The-500-000-year-hooker-hired-Goldman-Sachs-banker-sleep-Middle-Eastern-client.html#comments-3648934.

Yep, unfortunate for us mere mortal punters.

Of course the girls wouldn't want to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry, and us, for a mere couple hundred dollars at the club.High end hookers have always been used to ingratiate clients in the financial industry, it doesn't mean much. If you come to Kiev, stay far away from these models. You want to focus on the college girls that are still naive to the value of their pussies. Girls still full of emotions and feelings and not cynical about you.

YellowPaul
06-20-16, 17:35
My friend, I am not here to have an argument with a guy who can barely speak English and doesn't know what Miami is. I could barely understand what you were getting at with half of what you said. But depending on what your standards are and what kind of experience you want you will have different experiences, but the truth of the matter is that there is a diaspora going on.

I met a girl once on one of these websites who wanted to come travel and asked for nothing. Six months later the next time we traveled she asked for $300. A year later she asked for $2,000 to go and I said no. The reason is that she saw some of the world and re-evaluated her worth. Any girl who is above standard looking in Kiev is going to be way above standard looking elsewhere. I can see her photos on social media so someone is paying for it because she continues to go everywhere she wants to go. I know a good number of these girls who are model quality in looks and they have a constant stream of photos from Monaco, Dubai, Maldives, Paris, London, Switzerland. The carousel never stops. These five star hotel rooms are not paid for at checkin with a smile.

They have options to go, so they go. I have friends who have had the private jet sent for them from Dubai to pick them up.

These girls are not standing around on the street to meet 55 year old guys with pot bellies from Istanbul and argue with them over 1000 UAH.

Why are they going to go to a club like Rio and work every night with the hope of taking home $500 or $1000 in a week when someone will throw $3 k at them over social media to join them for a week in Monaco or Maldives?

What is happening is simple economics.

1. The barriers to access for foreigners to come to Ukraine continue to fall (went from soviet style visa requirements to visa free travel). This means more competition.

2. Local wealth only ever goes up meaning ever less reason for one of them to spend their time with you. More competition.

3. Barriers to access to the rest of the world for the girls continues to fall which means that the best go to the best opportunities (more competition) and leave behind those who can't achieve those best opportunities (less supply).

4. Instagram is showing them the world and showing them to the world and they want to go places, and people want to take them and will pay.

I made the mistake once of reviewing a hotel on Tripadvisor that had no reviews and it was a small luxury hotel and quite beautiful. It was priced above midrange but was great value for the luxury. Three years after I made this posting the price was so high I couldn't go there anymore. Now, eventually the secret would get out. Information can't stay locked up as much as we'd like it to be locked up.

Once that happens economics takes over.

Once a 10/10 perfect blonde realizes that some guy in Miami (google it) will send her $10,000 to come over for one week, she is off the pole at Rio dude. She is not going to be standing at the bar in Buddha Bar 4 days a week hoping to find one guy to get $500 out of.

I know a blonde who had one guy send her $4000 just for her to "get a visa", let alone what he's going to give her when she gets there. He hasn't even met this girl yet and he sent her this.

All of the above is an inevitable spiral.

There will always be little anecdotes of things being different. When the tide goes out there are still a few waves that come up the shoreline. But the tide is inevitable. The more open Ukraine gets, the more opportunities there are abroad and the more people read people's fantasy posts on this board where they exaggerate a homely girl into some playboy model that they conquered in order to get some worthless points for impressing punters online that they will never meet. The more of those posts that are made, the more guys will strap on their boots and come to Ukraine.

The girls go, and the men arrive, and the locals make more money: and that means the same thing it always means: quality goes down, expense goes up, old timers complain it isn't like it used to be and wonder why.

Well every girl who is 5/10 that you guys bang and then brag about it here you convince one more guy to come to Kiev and compete with you for what's left. For the rest of it, you can't control it and when the visa wall comes down every last half decent looking girl is going to leave and try her luck elsewhere. There is more money out there than there are beautiful girls. So, you will be left in the tank with whatever wasn't good enough to leave, fighting for the scraps with the 50 year old dudes from Istanbul with their big bellies. Competing over the fat girls and the ugly girls and those of us who saw it before the decline will have the memory of it before it changed.

8 years I've been to Kiev and I saw it change, and when I arrived the real old timers were already complaining. Have your anecdotes and that time that you saw the beautiful girl and took her home and whatever, but the tide is going out my friend. And it's inevitable. The same tide is at work as poor places in the world slowly become more wealthy and the beautiful girls that were there suddenly have better options than being considered a working girl for going after a foreigner with money.So much truth is these words of wisdom.

Admittedly I'm 1 of guys in your post, that prefer the allure of vacation and getting in as much unlimited sex with a Slavic women without actually going back to Kiev as I have not been for 3 years now.

Over the years I have flown women to Istanbul, Dubai, Tel Aviv, etc. So it doesn't always have to be expensive or always need a expensive visa. I have never given additional money unless I bought some small souvenirs.

Just be prepared if she refuses sex if you actually have have not discussed this before hand with her. LOL Happened to once when I was a newbie. Never happened again to me.

Tip: Always video Skype a few times to check the level of English and as Ukrainians are the master of photo shop. A typical women takes possibly a few months to meet, court and trust. As not every girl will go outside the country with a complete stranger.

Where I disagree is the simple fact the girls are have been traveling in non visa -countries to meet men already for decades. The better quality women are already out of the country or can leave quite easily when needed so I think still blaming Instagram for the ill's of world is a bit harsh. Any changes to the immigration is going to requite a bio-metric passport which few women have the money for like $500 including finger prints, I don't think there are that many suckers around but I could be wrong.

Misterxxx
06-20-16, 17:55
Any changes to the immigration is going to requite a bio-metric passport which few women have the money for like $500 including finger prints, I don't think there are that many suckers around but I could be wrong.Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.

YellowPaul
06-20-16, 18:20
Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.I'm talking more then just the a passport talking about a 90 day schengen visa with a typical Ukrainian who can't supply a work letter as well as bank documents showing money enough is in a account. Which a a vast majority of women unless of course she a professional career girl.

MartinReunion
06-20-16, 21:37
The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.

Riina
06-21-16, 01:21
The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.I noticed in one of your first posts someone called you out for suspect commercial activity. This Mamba profile is bullshit, red flag being almost all USA photos.

MartinReunion
06-21-16, 08:36
I noticed in one of your first posts someone called you out for suspect commercial activity. This Mamba profile is bullshit, red flag being almost all USA photos.OK Riina, no commercial intent, being just a tourist. And I am just as fascinated by these "outliers" as the rest of the bunch here so I write a little about it. The number have is real. Her legs too.

SgtBoyle2
06-21-16, 11:07
The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.Tried to PM you for that girl's number without success. Will be in Kiev this weekend and would really appreciate it.

GDreams
06-21-16, 14:57
Who told you it's 500 $. ? A girl. ? The real price of the new biometric passport is about 50 $. And they can get the passport within 7 or 21 days. All works well with the new system. Nobody in the passport-office asking for extra money.My wife needed a new passport late last year. She spent most of the day in a queue. She needed it fast as it was holiday season. The time quoted was outside her window of when she needed to travel. She returned next day with an incentive and all was well. True that the cost is not high but don't believe corruption doesn't exist there.

CallSign Papa
06-21-16, 15:25
OK Riina, no commercial intent, being just a tourist. And I am just as fascinated by these "outliers" as the rest of the bunch here so I write a little about it. The number have is real. Her legs too.Unfortunately your PM facility isn't anywhere near as real.

YellowPaul
06-21-16, 18:18
My wife needed a new passport late last year. She spent most of the day in a queue. She needed it fast as it was holiday season. The time quoted was outside her window of when she needed to travel. She returned next day with an incentive and all was well. True that the cost is not high but don't believe corruption doesn't exist there.I forgot to mention that if a girl has have a a job letter and bank documents then 90 day schengen visa should only cost about $200, everything can be arranged but costs money without documents.

Just be aware of schengen issues that sometimes they may be required to enter and leave from the country issuing the visa.

This happened to me a few years ago when bringing in girl to Prague.

MartinReunion
06-21-16, 22:14
Usually the first time entering Schengen must be in the country that issues the visa; then after you can travel into any Schengen country.


I forgot to mention that if a girl has have a a job letter and bank documents then 90 day schengen visa should only cost about $200, everything can be arranged but costs money without documents.

Just be aware of schengen issues that sometimes they may be required to enter and leave from the country issuing the visa.

This happened to me a few years ago when bringing in girl to Prague.

MartinReunion
06-21-16, 22:20
Hi,

Trying again, I had to renew my licence.


Tried to PM you for that girl's number without success. Will be in Kiev this weekend and would really appreciate it.

MartinReunion
06-21-16, 22:21
I had to renew my "licence"; done. So I can give the number.


Unfortunately your PM facility isn't anywhere near as real.

InsomniacTales
06-22-16, 04:32
Protocol sums up perfectly the condition of the Kiev of 2016. The place has been flooded with cash and foreign blokes. The clubs are cynical and used to the big dollars flowing in from the East and the West.

Moscow, though slightly more expensive is now far more rewarding, many more beautiful girls, more available, less competition, and they are less cynical and less jaded. Good level headed attitude. I just had 7 days there. Getting dates with pretty and ordinary non pros girls was easy, and my last three evening were easily filled with dinner followed by the rest. Almost how the Western and Scandinavian countries used to be 20 years ago. They haven't been sullied with too much feminist nonsense yet. Just a ride in the metro and we ordinary looking blokes in our 40's got smiles and even blown kisses. Asking directions and was always answered with a smile. The food is good and good value. The massages are superb and full on for just 40 dollars. The strip clubs are pure hedonism with stunning girls everywhere. Take out from the clubs is quoted at an expensive 200-300 dollars but after the first 2 nights of scouting the freebies will fill your time. The only problem is the visa. But maybe that's why it's still preserved.


What happened.

1. Instagram. Hot girls know their worth, easy to get noticed, get Turks, Arabs, Swiss, Germans, French throwing them money over the internet, inviting to luxury trips and they take it.

2. Russia. The invasion made sympathetic visas much easier to get.

3. Economic support. Money is flowing into Kiev from abroad, and of course being siphoned off the top the way that only Ukrainians know how to do so efficiently. That money gets spent in clubs, on girls, on all the luxuries. The hot girls are just not in need anymore the way they used to be..

LuisVega11
06-23-16, 13:04
In Ukraine from 7 days.

I decided to give this hole of ass country a last try after seven month and I know it was useless.

All the last reading are correct in part, wrong in other. The results anyway is a big bull. It country, with the worst woman you can find on earth. I don't know how people still keep defending this girls and women. The greedy product of modern era. I have been all over east, and nothing come near these person. And most of all they don't even fuck. Russian girl loves cock, Poland even *10-. These Ukrainian only loves fuck the other people.

I leave aside the distinction from village girl to high end pro. All the same, few changes.

When I read reports like those in the last 2 pages I laugh. People collecting 100 of contacts in mamba and fuck these girl for 300 500 gryvna, not even Ukrainian can fuck fat cow for these money.

Stay away from Ukraine. It's total scam and lose of time and money. I'm talking about not paying. The pay is even worst. Walk in Kiev. Only 60-75 foreigners walk with devuska in these days. Because wedding agency. Rest of foreigners even those great looking are in the same boat.

And I have good girl even last week in Kiev. Model type, but the feeling in these days is of a country completely spoiled, disaster brought by europe and Obama.

Last cherry pie. A girl I chat in VK, one that makes video in cam I discover, putting vibrator in pussy. We chat long time. She said come in krivoy dog and we fuck you bring me gift and some money. Ok. I planned to come to black sea and I wanted to discover some new city.

I come in this place forgotten by god. She not appeared, today send message she's not a **** and she not do sex for money. But if we want meet for coffee and I give her the gift I bring we can.

I said fuck off you and that cow who grow you!

Don't believe nobody. Kiev and Ukraine are worth zero, down zero.

The only pro is the cost is super cheap. But that's all. And in addiction these pat ethic village girl. Because Ukraine is big village even if they have Louis Vuitton or drive expensive car they are super cheap girl, compared to high end check or Russian girl for example, you see these girl treat these man from Ukraine that dress with t-shirt and crocs shoes, like king. They treat them like shit and receive the best treatment. Girl do everything for this handicapped man. Unbelievable.

Have still 9 days to go moving to Odessa luckily my old time girl come with me from Kiev and I will have some relax, but Ukraine will see me in the next life. Even if gryvna fall to 100 against euro.

Russia and Poland will be my next base, all the Prussian girl I banged are much better than any other girl and 2 of them come to me at their expenses. Ukrainian girl even if you spend 1000000 gryvna would be heavily pissed off if you didn't offer them 35 gryvna for taxi. Beggars.

YellowPaul
06-23-16, 16:11
In Ukraine from 7 days.

I decided to give this hole of ass country a last try after seven month and I know it was useless.

All the last reading are correct in part, wrong in other. The results anyway is a big bull. It country, with the worst woman you can find on earth. I don't know how people still keep defending this girls and women. The greedy product of modern era. I have been all over east, and nothing come near these person. And most of all they don't even fuck. Russian girl loves cock, Poland even *10-. These Ukrainian only loves fuck the other people.

I leave aside the distinction from village girl to high end pro. All the same, few changes.

When I read reports like those in the last 2 pages I laugh. People collecting 100 of contacts in mamba and fuck these girl for 300 500 gryvna, not even Ukrainian can fuck fat cow for these money.

Stay away from Ukraine. It's total scam and lose of time and money. I'm talking about not paying. The pay is even worst. Walk in Kiev. Only 60-75 foreigners walk with devuska in these days. Because wedding agency. Rest of foreigners even those great looking are in the same boat.

And I have good girl even last week in Kiev. Model type, but the feeling in these days is of a country completely spoiled, disaster brought by europe and Obama.

Last cherry pie. A girl I chat in VK, one that makes video in cam I discover, putting vibrator in pussy. We chat long time. She said come in krivoy dog and we fuck you bring me gift and some money. Ok. I planned to come to black sea and I wanted to discover some new city.

I come in this place forgotten by god. She not appeared, today send message she's not a **** and she not do sex for money. But if we want meet for coffee and I give her the gift I bring we can.

I said fuck off you and that cow who grow you!

Don't believe nobody. Kiev and Ukraine are worth zero, down zero.

The only pro is the cost is super cheap. But that's all. And in addiction these pat ethic village girl. Because Ukraine is big village even if they have Louis Vuitton or drive expensive car they are super cheap girl, compared to high end check or Russian girl for example, you see these girl treat these man from Ukraine that dress with t-shirt and crocs shoes, like king. They treat them like shit and receive the best treatment. Girl do everything for this handicapped man. Unbelievable.

Have still 9 days to go moving to Odessa luckily my old time girl come with me from Kiev and I will have some relax, but Ukraine will see me in the next life. Even if gryvna fall to 100 against euro.

Russia and Poland will be my next base, all the Prussian girl I banged are much better than any other girl and 2 of them come to me at their expenses. Ukrainian girl even if you spend 1000000 gryvna would be heavily pissed off if you didn't offer them 35 gryvna for taxi. Beggars.Agreed with most of what you said. It's the new normal.

5 years ago I had village girls (Mykoliv, Poltava, etc) coming for a few days to Kiev and they paid they own way and never asked for a penny. Back then you actually got normal girls off of Mamba.

Are you buying any gifts for your GF? Paying for any visa's?

Riina
06-23-16, 18:48
Stay away from Ukraine. Maybe you just want to keep all foreigners out so you can enjoy your own UA pussy paradise.