Kyiv

[CallSign Papa]

Maybe you just want to keep all foreigners out so you can enjoy your own UA pussy paradise.I can only say that Luis Vega's experience of Kiev (and Ukraine) is very different from mine. I'm not sure if Russian language skills make a massive difference, but for me it really has changed much in the last 2-3 years. But then I never went there expecting to bang supermodels for peanuts.

I'm back this week with plenty of contacts that I didn't get round to meeting from my last trip. And any girl that asks for a gift before you've met her needs to be kicked to the curb quick.

[Member #4722]

Has anyone tried the $60 "slave" upgrade at Gia? I assume this is where the girl is submissive since they also have a different dominatrix option. Just wondering what this consists of if anybody has tried it.

Want to splurge on Gia one night but wow can get expensive real fast.

[Riina]

Has anyone tried the $60 "slave" upgrade at Gia? I assume this is where the girl is submissive since they also have a different dominatrix option. Just wondering what this consists of if anybody has tried it.

Want to splurge on Gia one night but wow can get expensive real fast.I have no idea what "slave" means but I do know both Natasha and Zlata let me rag doll them the whole session for no extra charge. A few of my actions were a bit degrading, but they went with it enthusiastically and never once buzz killed me at any turn. I do take special attention to not bruise or scratch them.

[InsomniacTales]

I got more numbers and dates from classy Moscow girls in one evening of bars and clubs than a week of trawling Kiev. The Moscow girls quote literature, speak other languages, and love sex too. You've got to dress well, and they appreciate culture and irony. In Kiev almost every girl is a non discerning scamming prostitute who's spent so much time hearing the BS hype about Ukrainian women and wives online that she's got a vastly over inflated idea of her worth. Waste of time. Cheap. And a bloody depressing dreary place on the way down. Once you've tasted St Petersburg and Moscow you won't look back


In Ukraine from 7 days.

I decided to give this hole of ass country a last try after seven month and I know it was useless.

All the last reading are correct in part, wrong in other. The results anyway is a big bull. It country, with the worst woman you can find on earth. I don't know how people still keep defending this girls and women. The greedy product of modern era. I have been all over east, and nothing come near these person. And most of all they don't even fuck. Russian girl loves cock, Poland even *10-. These Ukrainian only loves fuck the other people.

I leave aside the distinction from village girl to high end pro. All the same, few changes.

When I read reports like those in the last 2 pages I laugh. People collecting 100 of contacts in mamba and fuck these girl for 300 500 gryvna, not even Ukrainian can fuck fat cow for these money.

Stay away from Ukraine. It's total scam and lose of time and money. I'm talking about not paying. The pay is even worst. Walk in Kiev. Only 60-75 foreigners walk with devuska in these days. Because wedding agency. Rest of foreigners even those great looking are in the same boat...

[SickhHeart]

Can any one give information about girls in Odessa for an Asian guy.

Don't know Russian / Ukrainian language.

Is there any way to get girls without any cheating.

All I need is oral sex from hot girl and blowjob.

[CallSign Papa]

Can any one give information about girls in Odessa for an Asian guy.

Don't know Russian / Ukrainian language.

Is there any way to get girls without any cheating.

All I need is oral sex from hot girl and blowjob.Here's a thought, try the Odessa thread.

And don't forget to post a review after.

[Rammstein2]

I have been in Kiev now 8 times and I always wanted to go to Rio but I never did. I don't know why I should pay some hundreds of for bitches which I can get much cheaper in my country. When I am reading the experiences here with girls from Rio I also can say, that the quality mostly is worse. I also have not been in one of these known bars. Next time I want to go to the Caribbean Bar. But mainly because of the music there.

The charm of Kiev girls or Ukrainian girls is to have something like a "real" girlfriend for some hundred a month. To do all the things which you are doing with a normal girlfriend including travelling in other countries. These girls are 6, 7 and 8 and if you have enough time and enough charm and you are able to pretend a common future you also can get a 9.

The times had changed in the last decades. The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clients but there are about 23 millions women in the Ukraine and some millions of them are in the age between 18 and 28. There are still enough girls who are waiting for us but the search is much more complicated and needs more time. And of course you don't find them in Rio.

[Riina]

I have been in Kiev now 8 times and I always wanted to go to Rio but I never did. I don't know why I should pay some hundreds of for bitches which I can get much cheaper in my country. When I am reading the experiences here with girls from Rio I also can say, that the quality mostly is worse. I also have not been in one of these known bars. Next time I want to go to the Caribbean Bar. But mainly because of the music there.

The charm of Kiev girls or Ukrainian girls is to have something like a "real" girlfriend for some hundred a month. To do all the things which you are doing with a normal girlfriend including travelling in other countries. These girls are 6, 7 and 8 and if you have enough time and enough charm and you are able to pretend a common future you also can get a 9.

The times had changed in the last decades. The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clients but there are about 23 millions women in the Ukraine and some millions of them are in the age between 18 and 28. There are still enough girls who are waiting for us but the search is much more complicated and needs more time. And of course you don't find them in Rio.Thank you sir, good simple insight into Ukraine. Their may well be less hookers now in Kiev, but my gut instinct tells me the girlfriend thing is better.

[CallSign Papa]

The 9 and 10 are gone or they have their rich clientsThere needs to be some perspective here, because there seems to be a little too much rose tinted revisionism about what was or wasn't the heyday. Are we saying that 5 years ago 9's and 10's were freely available in every bar? I was there, they weren't, there were some available if you were in the right place and had the right cash. Even 10 years ago (which I would consider my favorite time in Kiev) there were still guys bitching and complaining about how the city had changed since the orange revolution.

Every city has changed (and seemingly gotten worse) over time.

If you're not finding 9's and 10's is it because they aren't there, or you're not looking in the right places? I've found a few on each of my last few visits, so I'm finding this current wave of negativity very much at odds with what I'm seeing in Kiev. As always YMMV.

[Riina]

Looks like visa free for Ukraine is not happening anytime soon which is a good thing.

[Moski]

There needs to be some perspective here, because there seems to be a little too much rose tinted revisionism about what was or wasn't the heyday. Are we saying that 5 years ago 9's and 10's were freely available in every bar? I was there, they weren't, there were some available if you were in the right place and had the right cash. Even 10 years ago (which I would consider my favorite time in Kiev) there were still guys bitching and complaining about how the city had changed since the orange revolution.

Every city has changed (and seemingly gotten worse) over time.

If you're not finding 9's and 10's is it because they aren't there, or you're not looking in the right places? I've found a few on each of my last few visits, so I'm finding this current wave of negativity very much at odds with what I'm seeing in Kiev. As always YMMV.My 10's are 5's or less for other and other's 10's are 5's or less for me. I went to Asia including Thailand and didn't fuck once, not my type and liking at all others couldn't get even.

So what is 10's in Kiev?

[Alex7J]

I got more numbers and dates from classy Moscow girls in one evening of bars and clubs than a week of trawling Kiev. The Moscow girls quote literature, speak other languages, and love sex too. You've got to dress well, and they appreciate culture and irony. In Kiev almost every girl is a non discerning scamming prostitute who's spent so much time hearing the BS hype about Ukrainian women and wives online that she's got a vastly over inflated idea of her worth. Waste of time. Cheap. And a bloody depressing dreary place on the way down. Once you've tasted St Petersburg and Moscow you won't look backIt which are these clubs and bars in Moscow and St. Petersburg do enlighten us also mate. In the normal Nf, Aurora and the three cousins are strip bars which are the normal bars or clubs you go to pick these hot women.

Cheers man.

[CallSign Papa]

My 10's are 5's or less for other and other's 10's are 5's or less for me. I went to Asia including Thailand and didn't fuck once, not my type and liking at all others couldn't get even.

So what is 10's in Kiev?You're obviously correct, it's all subjective. Fellow ISG'er Epicure saw me in Kiev with my 10 but for him she's probably a 7 maybe. Horses for courses.

My point is that I don't think Kiev deserves the shellacking it's been getting recently.

[Sorbonne]

Looks like visa free for Ukraine is not happening anytime soon which is a good thing.Hi Riina,

Where do you get this info?

I think you're right. It's a good thing for us after all.

So in fact I've already re-arranged our trip in early September from Italy to Cyprus, which is an EU country but which accepts the Ukrainians with only online visa, as I understand.

[Riina]

Hi Riina,

Where do you get this info?

I think you're right. It's a good thing for us after all.

So in fact I've already re-arranged our trip in early September from Italy to Cyprus, which is an EU country but which accepts the Ukrainians with only online visa, as I understand.Just an assumption after Brexit. It would make no sense to stoke this populist sentiment sweeping Europe with more open immigration.

[Jonathan Pine]

Let's settle this once and for all to avoid all future confusions and to establish a common reference.

A 10 is Maria Sharapova 11 years ago when she was 18. She was a perfect 10. Now she's 29 and not a perfect 10 anymore.

By the way Riina, very astute analysis on visa issue. For our sake, let's hope Brexit will trigger more countries getting out of EU, thus more difficult for girls to go West.

[Ivanvlad]

Just an assumption after Brexit. It would make no sense to stoke this populist sentiment sweeping Europe with more open immigration.This is not what they say:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/brexit-to-have-no-effect-on-eu-readiness-towards-visa-free-regime-with-ukraine-schultz-681150.html

[Jojosun]

http://www.unian.info/politics/1371462-ukraines-visa-free-travel-to-eu-delayed-wsj.html

Ukraine's visa-free travel to EU delayed. WSJ.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/georgia-kosovo-ukraines-visa-free-access-to-eu-delayed-1465486485

[Jojosun]

So in fact I've already re-arranged our trip in early September from Italy to Cyprus, which is an EU country but which accepts the Ukrainians with only online visa, as I understand.Its much easier with Cyprus not being a member of The Shengen area member states.

Are going to North Cyprus (Turkish) or Greek Cyprus??

North Cyprus is cheaper, less developed and visas are even easier. http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/tourism/tourist.html.

[Riina]

This is not what they say:

http://uatoday.tv/politics/brexit-to-have-no-effect-on-eu-readiness-towards-visa-free-regime-with-ukraine-schultz-681150.htmlHardly a substantive article. Looks like a eurocrat lip servicing a desperate president.

I really hope visa free does not happen for Ukraine. It would create an insensitive for Western Europeans to find and sponsor girls if they could easily fly them to their homes cities. Up to now, it's just been the rich middle easterners. Add westerners to the mix and the whole culture is open to corruption.

[DudeNextDoor]

I aggree. The cover charge (includes 1 alcoholic drink, some snacks) and girls fee (includes room and condoms if desired) will be around 70 euros or so.

There are ukranians and moldovians that look great that you would feel lucky when called them through an agency in Kiev.

Plus you get to go the beach during the day!


Its much easier with Cyprus not being a member of The Shengen area member states.

Are going to North Cyprus (Turkish) or Greek Cyprus??

North Cyprus is cheaper, less developed and visas are even easier. http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/tourism/tourist.html.

[Horny American]

Greetings,

I'm an American that visits Kiev several times per year to see my kids that live there with my Ex. I'm planning another trip soon and my kids are asking me to just go straight to Odessa this summer instead of Kiev so they can have the summer holiday there instead. Any recommendations for Odessa beyond what I'm able to read on that board?

I'm also curious why I haven't seen any reference to either Hotel Lybid or the Star Bar on here? I've stayed there several times and it's very girl friendly. The dancers often work the hotel bar (open 24 hrs) itself to either get you to go visit them in the strip joint or for you to take them upstairs to your room. I've actually gotten a nice BJ in the hotel bar itself (weeknight late at night and basically empty). Some bartenders didn't even ring in my drinks and pocketed the money for themselves but that doesn't matter to me. Hotel has it's own currency exchange booth and several more right across the street too. Most of the people working there speak enough English to get by and a lot are fluent too.

Note: The dancers will ask you to buy them a drink and they will order top shelf too so watch that. Yana only drank Jameson's which was like 10 X my Bacardi and coke's.

The strip joint has it's own bar as well BUT even higher prices than the hotel bar. A small stage for the dancers and a private back room as well. I was offered services there many times but all the dancers wanted $200 to which I laughed. A few came down to reasonable money and they came upstairs instead. One was a very very cute blond spinner with an amazing body but just terrible effort. Only one of the dancers could have been considered GFE and only two would give a BBBJ since most insisted on covered everything.

I ended up making friends with the doorman since he saw me with a dancer or two and we started talking women. He has an agency that he gets a kickback from and all the girls were young and hot. All were under $100 too with most costing around $80 but again most insisted on covered services. Still a lot cheaper than the states for quality of the girl though.

[Straun]

The Lybid hotel seems closed? At least you can't even book it on their official web page any more. Does anyone else have recommendations with not ultra-expensive hotels but still have a good bar with nice girls in it?

Or even strip clubs real close by?

[Sorbonne]

Its much easier with Cyprus not being a member of The Shengen area member states.

Are going to North Cyprus (Turkish) or Greek Cyprus??

North Cyprus is cheaper, less developed and visas are even easier. http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/tourism/tourist.html.

I'm just thinking we're going to South Cyprus, flying into Larnaca directly from Kiev with Wizz Air.

I've already made reservations for plane and hotel, which are cancellable without penalty.

In fact I haven't done much homework on how for a Ukrainian to get a visa to Cyprus. All I heard was it is relatively easy to do so online. I hope my girl manages to do that on her own.

My research shows Ayia Napa in South Cyprus probably has the best beaches on the island nation.

[TomRifle]

This week I am for the first time in Kiev. Yesterday I checked the web sites and visited a nice girl for 1000 hryvnia (about 35 Euro). It was good experience, but I see prices start as low as 400 hryvnia for still hot looking (at pictures) girls.

Are there any recommended clubs / brothels where you can choose from many girls, rather than call an ad from internet and risk to lookse time / money with that particular ad? Also are there any Russian language boards with recent reports on girls? I speak Russian, but the forums I found were not recently updated.

[AColonizer]

I have found a good girl in Mamba, who sent me a page of her passport for an airfare. Moreover I have received a further proposal in my spam box. The day after, Mamba blocked my account. I don't understand the reason Mamba publishes P4P girls profiles and then it blocks some customers because of an unknown agreement infringement?

[Jojosun]

I'm just thinking we're going to South Cyprus, flying into Larnaca directly from Kiev with Wizz Air.

I've already made reservations for plane and hotel, which are cancellable without penalty.

My research shows Ayia Napa in South Cyprus probably has the best beaches on the island nation.If you do more research on Ayia Napa, you will find its more than best beaches, its the night life for some being the main draw. LOL Young Brits, Russians, booze, clubbing, guard your Ukrainian girl.

"Up to 20% more British tourists and 50% more Russians are expected to turn up ready to party every night from dusk till dawn."

Explicit content: Sex, booze and clubbing– Ayia Napa is back and wilder than ever.

Brits are set to flock to clubbing haven Ayia Napa this summer– and they're bringing their outrageous behavior with them."

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/523751/ayia-napa-magaluf-mediterranean-british-holidays-drinking-sex-mental

If its all too much for you, North Cyprus is more of a place to concentrate on your girl and enjoy less crowded beaches, places, food and drink at cheaper prices and its very close.

[Sorbonne]

If you do more research on Ayia Napa, you will find its more than best beaches, its the night life for some being the main draw. LOL Young Brits, Russians, booze, clubbing, guard your Ukrainian girl.

"Up to 20% more British tourists and 50% more Russians are expected to turn up ready to party every night from dusk till dawn."

Explicit content: Sex, booze and clubbing Ayia Napa is back and wilder than ever.

Brits are set to flock to clubbing haven Ayia Napa this summer and they're bringing their outrageous behavior with them."

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/523751/ayia-napa-magaluf-mediterranean-british-holidays-drinking-sex-mental

If its all too much for you, North Cyprus is more of a place to concentrate on your girl and enjoy less crowded beaches, places, food and drink at cheaper prices and its very close.Haha, thanks for the info.

I prefer just to stay within the premises of our resort hotel. That's why I usually go for all-inclusive. I could possibly handle Brits, but not sure about Russians, if they confront me.

This year, at least until now Russians haven't been going to Turkey on package tours, so I was wondering if they are flocking to Cyprus instead.

I typically go for pretty expensive hotels, and maybe those rowdy young men go for the cheap, as they are, lol. That could have been a reason why I have not encountered such problems so far.

But if anything, the hotel security should be there, I hope.

We'll be there in September, so I hope they will have gone home by then.

My girls have been typically faithful. I'm not sure if it's because they would lose their return ticket if they aren't, lol.

Last year in Antalya, Turkey, no Russians gave me any problems. Only on one occasion a Middle-Eastern man came up to me to ask me where I was from, perhaps having been mesmerized by the striking blonde by my side.

My girl was also the only one who went topless at the beach of the hotel in the Muslim country, but nobody ever gave us any problems.

I hope to repeat this problem-free holiday.

[Jojosun]

Haha, thanks for the info.

This year, at least until now Russians haven't been going to Turkey on package tours, so I was wondering if they are flocking to Cyprus instead..Breaking news. Putin mends ties with Turkey, lifts tourism ban https://www.afp.com/en/news/824/putin-mends-ties-turkey-lifts-tourism-ban.

[Ringudor]

This week I am for the first time in Kiev. Yesterday I checked the web sites and visited a nice girl for 1000 hryvnia (about 35 Euro). It was good experience, but I see prices start as low as 400 hryvnia for still hot looking (at pictures) girls..She was really the girl of the pic?

You were lucky then, few months ago a friend of mine called a girl also from 1000 grivna and she was totally different to the one of the pic.

[TomRifle]

She was really the girl of the pic?

You were lucky then, few months ago a friend of mine called a girl also from 1000 grivna and she was totally different to the one of the pic.NO, she wasn't the girl from the pic, but she was still hot and I had good time.

Yesterday I went to 800 grivnia girl and she was still not the girl from the pic, not so hot, but I had good time.

The prices range from 300 to 4000 grivnia so I wonder if higher price means better girl with real pics, or not necessarily. I think I am going to venture in the 300 market also to see if it is really possible to bang girl for 10 euro or would they be completely unfuckable.

But what I really need to find is some clubs where you can look at the merchandise (ideally with at least 5-6 girls to choose from) or some message boards with real feedbacks for internet girls. Otherwise would be hit and miss experience.

[Jojosun]

Had a phone call that Uber is operating in Kiev, today or tomorrow.

Confirmed on this link http://en.reporter-ua.ru/in-kiev-will-start-a-taxi-uber.html.

The minimum fare for taxi services Uber in Kiev will be from 40 hryvnia.

[Riina]

I have found a good girl in Mamba, who sent me a page of her passport for an airfare. Moreover I have received a further proposal in my spam box. The day after, Mamba blocked my account. I don't understand the reason Mamba publishes P4P girls profiles and then it blocks some customers because of an unknown agreement infringement?Don't talk about paid sex on Mamba until you are sure you are dealing with a prostitute. I had same problem and assumed I was on their shit list, so I started over with new profile. I'm now more careful.

[Riina]

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/technology/uber-starts-operating-in-ukraine-417497.html

This sounds good.

[YellowPaul]

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/technology/uber-starts-operating-in-ukraine-417497.html

This sounds good.This sounds good as I arrive July 10th and will try it.

Send me PM if anybody is around then to meet up.

[CallSign Papa]

http://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/technology/uber-starts-operating-in-ukraine-417497.html

This sounds good.Arriving tomorrow, will see how it works from Zhulany.

[AColonizer]

I say, I have never talked about money, just about a travel together. In the past ten years, I wrote about money for dozens and dozens times because girls started to discuss about money. There is even the option "sponsorship" in Mamba's search engine.

I think, somebody said to block me to Mamba's administrator. Otherwise, somebody, with a mood trouble in Mamba, blocked me. It has happened a similar problem with this forum. It depends by the person who is administrating the site in that moment.

This is one more reason to stay away from Kiev: those Ukrainians!


Don't talk about paid sex on Mamba until you are sure you are dealing with a prostitute. I had same problem and assumed I was on their shit list, so I started over with new profile. I'm now more careful.

[Horny American]

From what I could find out upon reading your post is that the former owner of the hotel was embezzling everything and took off with it all. I saw numerous reviews where people (groups and individuals) got charged again when they showed up at the hotel.

If anybody used sites like Expedia, Travelocity, TripAdvisor and etc I'm sure that they will get reimbursed but many got ripped off. Most sites would not let me book rooms now but some did. I guess it's all a matter of who owns the site and whether they trust new management etc.

If I stay in Kiev, I still plan on staying there if I can since I know it's affordable, I know I can get laid as many times as I want to and it is very convenient location too.


The Lybid hotel seems closed? At least you can't even book it on their official web page any more. Does anyone else have recommendations with not ultra-expensive hotels but still have a good bar with nice girls in it?

Or even strip clubs real close by?

[Harry Hirsch]

I don't have any problems with Mamba. I'm be careful, when write first time with girls.

Never say anything about money, be friendly but directly.

Last week meet 2 girls in Kiev 20 and 22, one looking perfectly, the other have very beautiful body.

Katja the 20 years old girl, beautiful, need good leader.

And Julia, give good Massage with Blowjob, Cum in mouth).

So I'm very happy.

They are two girls, don't have Mamba account, only speaking "propaganda" They work not so much.

If any body interested for them, send me PM with Mail Adress.

[Misc123]

I don't have any problems with Mamba. I'm be careful, when write first time with girls.

Never say anything about money, be friendly but directly.

LAst week meet 2 girls in Kiev 20 and 22, one looking perfectly, the other have very beautiful body.

Katja the 20 years old girl, beautiful, need good leader.

And Julia, give good Massage with Blowjob, Cum in mouth).

So I'm very happy.

They are two girls, don't have Mamba account, only speaking "propaganda" They work not so much.

If any body interested for them, send me PM with Mail Adress.Hi Harry,

I sent you pm.

Thanks very much.

Ciao.

Misc.

[Ringudor]

NO, she wasn't the girl from the pic, but she was still hot and I had good time.

Yesterday I went to 800 grivnia girl and she was still not the girl from the pic, not so hot, but I had good time.

The prices range from 300 to 4000 grivnia so I wonder if higher price means better girl with real pics, or not necessarily. I think I am going to venture in the 300 market also to see if it is really possible to bang girl for 10 euro or would they be completely unfuckable.

But what I really need to find is some clubs where you can look at the merchandise (ideally with at least 5-6 girls to choose from) or some message boards with real feedbacks for internet girls. Otherwise would be hit and miss experience.Do you dare to try a 300 grivna girl? You are so brave! Hehe.

Before trying the 1000 grivna one, my friend was so near to call a 400 grivna, with the photo of as playboy model I said him "don't be crazy, its impossible!" then he called the 1000 grivna one, she was not pretty, so disappointing, once ended the service he said me "maybe I call to the 400 grivna one and comes the same girl" maybe he was true, never know.

Don't forget to talk about your experience with a 300 grivna, we are so curious about what you will find.

[Rammstein2]

My experience at my last trip was that the professional girls (what I defined is professional) want to use condoms for sex and sometimes also for BJ.

The non or semi professionals never asked about it (except one girl). All of these girls have been 6 or 7.

Have you made the same experiences?

[CallSign Papa]

Arriving tomorrow, will see how it works from Zhulany.Uber was pretty poor from Zhulany, waited 10 minutes but no cars in the vicinity. Switched on the Uklon app and was in a taxi in 10 minutes, total cost 100 grivna, including tip.

[JayMz666]

My experience at my last trip was that the professional girls (what I defined is professional) want to use condoms for sex and sometimes also for BJ.

The non or semi professionals never asked about it (except one girl). All of these girls have been 6 or 7.

Have you made the same experiences?I would always insist on condoms. Ukraine HIV situation is supposed to be pretty bad so better not to take chance.

Spielen sicher.

[SgtBoyle2]

Prologue.

Waiting for my plane to take-off from London Gatwick I realized that I was facing the very real problem of a second album. Those of you who've read my posts of last month (thank you if you have) will know that on my previous visit to Kiev I enjoyed three exceptional encounters due in part to this thread's favorite pimp Andrei (PM me or indeed certain others if you want his number).

About to return to Ukraine I began to comprehend the enormity of my task if I was to equal let alone surpass my previous visit. The dice do not fall twice so firmly in your favor and any seasoned gambler would know that it was time to leave the table but, like almost all mongers, I wasn't thinking with my head. I therefore proceeded to get drunk on UIA's red wine.

Prior to leaving I had of course done my best to keep in touch (via WhatsApp and Viber) with previous contacts with a view to renewing our relationships. Mamba Girl had been particularly punctilious in replying to my messages but so too had a young lady going by the name of Julia.

An attractive girl (7 but with really great tits), Julia had not really featured in my previous posts other than by way of a reference to her athletic performance after I had been left almost totally knackered by an earlier visit to one of Andrei's brothels. However like many an aspiring starlet, Julia was not a girl to take no, still less silence, for an answer. She had put her number in my phone at the end of our encounter and thereafter maintained a near constant barrage of messages. Ever the gentleman I had of course answered.

Mamba Girl (I have given her details to one other member and will give it to others if, and only if, they convince me they'll treat her properly) had previously indicated that she preferred to meet in the daytime (for reasons which were never explained) and this suited me as of course it freed up my evenings for other women. We had therefore agreed on 2500 hryvnia a day to include anal and CIM.

My initial plans were to spend my first night in Kiev with the enthusiastic Julia and then meet up with Mamba Girl the following day for a late breakfast and some midday sex.

The arrangements with Julia had followed an interesting path that began with her asking for my help to buy an IPhone. I then replied that such devices were expensive and that she would have to do an awful lot more than just the classic sex that she had provided last time for me to pay her that kind of money. She protested that she was a good girl but negotiations followed and eventually we agreed on 4000 hryvnia for 3 hours including anal: god those Ukrainian girls love their phones!

[SgtBoyle2]

Chapter 1.

Having checked into my apartment late owing to the traffic and a long wait to change money at Boryspil Airport I hurried over to Citronelle Restaurant for 9 pm where Julia was waiting. Wearing a short dress and a suntan she looked great and better than I remembered her. Dinner followed at which Julia tried but mostly failed to avoid getting drunk on the lovely wines I bought us. Dessert over we strolled back to my flat where I then proceeded to pump her arse with such enthusiasm that she let out the most enormous fart on my withdrawal. A great performance and one that I was this time equal to having saved myself for the trip to Kiev.

The deed done Julia jumped out of bed and sped to the bathroom having arranged to meet her friends at Skybar that evening. I doubt those who saw her dancing away would ever have guessed how she had began that particular night.

For my part I had arranged to meet Andrei at 12.30 at Buddha Bar and so had scuttled off myself within minutes of putting Julia in a taxi.

I am not really a fan of Buddha Bar as the girls there are mostly older than in other clubs and the dancers are certainly not a patch on Skybar. However it's a great interior with free admission and none of the face control problems that you can encounter at some other establishments. It is also less crowded.

Leaning back on the bar I checked my phone and found I had a message from Andrei to say that he was really sorry but couldn't make it as his wife was unwell (see previous posts); I had been left to my own devices.

I surveyed the surrounding talent with no particular enthusiasm save for one tall brunette in her early twenties who was nicely dressed, had the most beautiful legs and an air of not really belonging in this place. Leggy (as she must be called at this juncture) was engaged in an unsatisfactory conversation with a short, plumb Scandinavian guy (as I later learnt) in his late 40's or early 50's who was clearly failing to close the deal. I tried to make eye contact. I knew I was better looking and better dressed than my competitor and expected to prevail, however I got nowhere. I knew she had clocked me and that I had clearly clocked her but she absolutely refused to make eye contact and continued to persevere with her stuttering Scandinavian. I gave up and turned my attentions to the rest of the bar.

There are many reason to choose a girl and in this case a simple act of kindness proved to be one of them. Whilst trying to get the attention of Leggy I had observed a nicely dressed blond enter the bar out of the corner of my eye. Despairing with Leggy I look round at Blondie and saw her do the act that persuaded me to take her. The barman had just returned her change and she, after he'd left, countered her money and then pushed 20 Hryvnia back over to his side of the bar. It was an act of kindness that told me everything I needed to know about this lady's personality. Hookers, in my experience, rarely give tips and regard the cost of their drinks as a business expense (I would too).

I smiled at Blondie. She smiled back with an expression that said: look I know I'm not a 10 and appreciate your interest. I approached, we said Hello, and exchanged names and pleasantries and then she cut to the chase: "I usually charge $200 but I will go with you for $150". I was amused and a little flattered and, remembering her own tip to the barman, agreed without further negotiation.

Please don't get me wrong, in the cold light of day Blondie (Leanne) was only ever a 5 or 6. In her 30's she was a little overweight and had plainly seen better days. However she gave me a most enjoyable and fun (classic) service. She was smiley and open and just seemed to be pleased to be fucking someone she actually found quite attractive. I fell asleep a contented man.

She left me her number which I can provide to suitable mongers but she said she is rarely in Kiev as she spends most of her time "working" in Moscow.

[Member #4722]

Nice new report Sgt!

Just wanted to share a story about my Mamba experience. Had some good luck so far for my trip next week setting up contacts and such. Want to have some backups in case of flakes, however. So I message this new girl ("Sweet" if you are on Mamba you can see her under "new" girls looking for sponsor. And she writes me back and asks how much I propose for a meeting. This is strange as it is the second time this has happened. I told her "it is up to you how much you want to spend time but some pretty ladies have offered me for $70. " This is true. I saw I had a message from her and when I clicked it evidently she had blocked me. If she said this was not enough I would have probably negotiated with her but this was my starting points and just a suggestion. Because of this behavior I am glad I will not meet with her but I thought this was a bit rude and kind of funny.

[SgtBoyle2]

Chapter 2.

Saturday dawned as hot as it had been on Friday. I arose late with the usual alcohol and Viagra induced headache. Hydrated, I headed off to a nearby coffee bar where I'd arranged to meet my Mamba Girl (please see earlier posts for description).

A lovely lady she was both early and happy to see me. We chatted like old friends before heading back to my apartment where in air conditioned splendor she gave me the most complete three hole experience. Afterwards we went for a boozy lunch on a shady terrace before returning to my room for round two (total cost $100) after which I fell asleep and did not awake until nearly 7 pm.

Intending it to be the main event I had reserved Saturday evening for Zlata (see previous posts) only to have my ardor frustrated by a message saying that she was in fact going to a wedding (which had obviously slipped her mind when the booking was made more than a week before) but could do the following day! Pimps and Agencies no doubt deserve their poor reputations but it must still be observed that organizing working girls is like herding cats.

Fortunately I still had Andrei and rushed out to meet him for drinks at a local bar. Enthusiastic as ever we chatted over a pint and discussed possible girls when I suddenly noticed that I had a message on my phone. Looking down discretely I saw it was from Julia and it's contents were more than a little distracting: "Hi, you want to meet today, I have friend, you want do 3))" It was all I could do to keep my composure especially when Julia sent me a photo of her and her friend. I made my excuses and left Andrei as soon as possible as my plans for the evening were now clear.

Negotiations followed. They wanted 4000 Hryvnia each for 2 hours. I wanted anal. Julia said that this was painful and that she would not do it. Her protests were at odds with my memories of the previous day when she had skipped off happily to Skybar after taking a pounding. Eventually of course she agreed.

At 10 pm they both arrived at my flat looking gorgeous in their dresses: Julia and Diana. Julia I have described before. Diana was a slight pretty blond in her early 20's with blue eyes and what looked like a fantastic pair of knockers: a 9 by anyone's standards. I was just helpless.

Chocolates and champagne followed before we all finally got into bed.

A previous poster has commented on the fact that few Ukrainian girls are truly in to the lesbian experience and treat a 3 some as largely a tag team exercise. That was largely true of Julia and Diana but there were still some wonderful moments. Diana was clearly the more experienced of the two and knew when to engage in appropriate kissing and caressing. However it was Julia who took it up the arse and I shall never forget the image of Diana kissing her as she did so.

The only disappointment in fact was Diana's tits which positively collapsed when I unhooked her bra. Still as Ron Weasely says: you can't have everything.

Once the business was over I then had a happy 10 minutes watching the two of them prepare for their evening out. Job done they bounded off into the moonlight looking like butter wouldn't melt in their mouths.

Their departure ought of course to have ended my evening but as it was only midnight and I fancied a drink I decided to stroll back to Buddha Bar. I went without expectation and not really looking for any action. An approach which on first entering the Bar I quickly concluded was the right one. The talent on display was poor save for two drop dead 10's who were obviously so in love with themselves that no one was even daring to approach them. The rest were a collection of MILFs and many of the usual suspects from yesterday. I pushed the Viagra back down into my pocket, ordered a second drink and settled in to watch the show.

Fate however had other ideas.

I had no sooner taken a second sip from my whiskey when the leggy brunette from the previous evening arrived and walked straight up to me. We said Hello, she gave me the most disarming smile and I got her a Mohito. What then followed says a lot about the psychology of Ukrainian women or at least those who hang out at Buddha Bar. Leaning so close that I could feel the warmth of her body she asked me why I had not waited for her that Friday evening. Somewhat surprised I reminded her of the fact that she had ignored me in favor of another suitor. Oh yes she said, he was from Sweden but it hadn't worked out and if I'd waited I could have had her rather than that blond (she'd clearly noticed). A pity I said but still there was this evening. She smiled again and whispered:"I usually charge $300 but for you it will only be $200. " I'm sure, given the similar approach of Blondie, that this is a new marketing strategy of the girls but it was one to which I nevertheless succumbed.

Back at my flat Alina (early 20's, brunette who I think definitely rates an 8) was at first very cautious and professional. We slipped into the usual escort's routine: a chat on sofa with a barely touched drink, some caressing and then respective visits to the shower. At first this approach continued when we got into bed but as time went on she seemed to relax and get more and more affectionate until in the end it was very much a GFE albeit a covered one. Indeed when we'd finished she cuddled up to me with what I thought was genuine feeling and did not leave before giving me both her WhatsApp and Viber numbers. I missed her when she left.

[Rammstein2]

Nice new report Sgt!

Just wanted to share a story about my Mamba experience. Had some good luck so far for my trip next week setting up contacts and such. Want to have some backups in case of flakes, however. So I message this new girl ("Sweet" if you are on Mamba you can see her under "new" girls looking for sponsor. And she writes me back and asks how much I propose for a meeting. This is strange as it is the second time this has happened. I told her "it is up to you how much you want to spend time but some pretty ladies have offered me for $70. " This is true. I saw I had a message from her and when I clicked it evidently she had blocked me. If she said this was not enough I would have probably negotiated with her but this was my starting points and just a suggestion. Because of this behavior I am glad I will not meet with her but I thought this was a bit rude and kind of funny.I also wrote to Sweet 22 and offered her 1.500 grw (about 55 €). She wrote: not interested. But did not block me. But I blocked her!

I never will pay more than an amount between 1.000 to 2.000 grw. And 2. 000 only when I get an charm 8.

Sweet 22 in my opinion is a 6 or a 7 with a bad character (maybe a good business girl).

[Harry Hirsch]

Hey Guys,

This is Mamba, girls know from where you are.

If you in Kiev, write to them, best in good Russian, then you must pay for Blowjob at home, just 500 UAH +Taxi.

But for US. Men from Abroad. It is much expensive. Mostly girls don't like short time (1 hour).

If they make you offer for one night for 4000 UAH you can be happy. This is very cheep.

Possible that they want 200 or 300 $ per night. And night starts at 9 pm and end earlier in morning.

When I'm in Ukraine, stay with girl for holiday trip. I pay per week 400€ and for 2-3 days more just 100€ more.

This is good money for them and for me it is OK.

Julia from last time ask me few days before" we meet again in September?" She like it. Safe money and good time.

[AColonizer]

When I read you (or I try to read you because of your bad English), I have always an alert ringing in my mind. I haven't understood the reason yet.


Hey Guys,

This is Mamba, girls know from where you are.

If you in Kiev, write to them, best in good Russian, then you must pay for Blowjob at home, just 500 UAH +Taxi.

But for US. Mens from Abroad. It is much expensiver. Mostly girls don't like short time (1 hour).

If they make you offer for one night for 4000 UAH you can be happy. This is very cheep.

Possible that they want 200 or 300 $ per night. And night starts at 9 pm and end earlie in morning.

When I'm in Ukraine, stay with girl for holiday trip. I pay per week 400 and for 2-3 days more just 100 more.

This is good money for them and for me it is OK.

Julia from last time ask me few days before" we meet again in September?" She like it. Safe money and good time.

[Riina]

Hey Guys,

This is Mamba, girls know from where you are.

If you in Kiev, write to them, best in good Russian, then you must pay for Blowjob at home, just 500 UAH +Taxi.

But for US. Mens from Abroad. It is much expensiver. Mostly girls don't like short time (1 hour).

If they make you offer for one night for 4000 UAH you can be happy. This is very cheep.

Possible that they want 200 or 300 $ per night. And night starts at 9 pm and end earlie in morning.

When I'm in Ukraine, stay with girl for holiday trip. I pay per week 400 and for 2-3 days more just 100 more.

This is good money for them and for me it is OK.

Julia from last time ask me few days before" we meet again in September?" She like it. Safe money and good time.I pay tops a Benjamin for a girl. The exception would be Gia with it's reputation. If you pay over 100 to non verified prostitutes, you are speculating on services and chemistry. A Loser's Game!

[SgtBoyle2]

Chapter 3.

I had arranged to breakfast with Mamba Girl at our usual coffee bar. She was on time as usual. Indeed as an aside I have found punctuality to be one of the best indicators of a girl's subsequent performance.

We returned to my apartment where I enjoyed a repeat of yesterday. A late Lunch at Pantagruel (a really great Italian restaurant and one of the oldest in Kiev) followed before she headed off into the sunset, well Tetrana metro station anyway. Mamba Girl is not a 9 or 10 but, as we say in England, she does what it says on the tin. She is also a really nice woman.

The evening had of course been committed to Zlata but I was already beginning to have my doubts. I don't like late changes of plan and girls who do this usually turn out to be bad. In Zlata's case she had failed to reply to my several messages of that day seeking confirmation of our evening.

By 6 pm I was getting twitchy and had messaged Alina to see if she was available to which she had immediately replied that she was. I was therefore actually annoyed when Zlata finally messaged me to say that she'd be at the restaurant at 8 pm.

What turned up did not accord with my memories of the girl I'd spent so much on when I last visited Kiev. Still cute and very feminine she was dressed in denim shorts and an outfit which screamed trailer park trash. Her legs were still as soft and sexy as before but in the bright light of a summer's evening bore too many signs of past shaving.

Of course the fault was mine. My expectations were always unrealistic. No girl could have lived up to them but still I was disappointed.

I tried to conceal my feelings but Zlata knew instantly. Indeed it may be that she had arrived at the very same conclusion about me: older than I remember, a little fatter and perhaps not quite as rich. Who knows.

What followed was uncomfortable for both of us. Yes we chatted and joked and then cuddled and fucked but the magic was not there. She left early to the relief of both of us.

Depressed and realizing that there was unlikely to be much happening elsewhere that Sunday night I went to sleep.

[SgtBoyle2]

Chapter 4.

I could and perhaps even should have arranged to see Mamba Girl on my last day but after Zlata I was just not in the mood. I had work to do in any event and so decided to reserve my energies for the dinner date that I arranged with Alina for the evening.

I don't really know why I'd settled on this girl rather than any other. Julia in particular had offered a return visit as had Zlata (ever the business woman) but there was something about Alina that I found deeply attractive.

She was already waiting for me at Pantagruel Restaurant when I arrived which, as I've said, is almost always a good sign. She looked lovely in her dress and really classy. Not a model although her legs are fantastic but a really attractive girl who's imperfections add to her beauty. In short she looks like the sort of girl I use to chase when I was a young man and perhaps that was what I found so alluring.

We'd agreed $200 for the evening and what followed was an incredibly relaxed and, later on, sensual evening. Alina is a clever and thoughtful girl who can hold her own in most conversations. There was no clock watching and after more than an hour of pillow talk Alina seemed genuinely reluctant to leave. I was certainly sorry to see her go.

We are currently engaged in negotiations for a trip to Odessa although her insistence on just classic sex remains an obstacle.

[Harry Hirsch]

Chapter 4.

We'd agreed $200 for the evening and what followed was an incredibly relaxed and, later on, sensual evening. Alina is a clever and thoughtful girl who can hold her own in most conversations. There was no clock watching and after more than an hour of pillow talk Alina seemed genuinely reluctant to leave. I was certainly sorry to see her go.

We are currently engaged in negotiations for a trip to Odessa although her insistence on just classic sex remains an obstacle.You are really pay 5000 UAH for few hours in evening?

Just one time classical sex?

Sorry.

You are one from this make the price broken, 1500-1800 UAH this is much more then enough.

I pay 5 Years before 1700 UAH for night with a girl OK UAH it was 1/8.

Now it is 1/25. But this not means that girl get the same + NOW.

Nobody in Ukraine get now 3 times more salary.

So it was 2011 1200 UAH for 2-3 hours make 50% plus and all is fine.

If anybody go to girls with this wishes. All want have it in future.

4000 UAH for night with girl this is much money for them.

[Dominus22]

Harry Hirsch,

You are absolute right!

I have pay yesterday 800 UAH for each girl in Odessa, I have take 2 so we made a threesome for 1600 UAH.


You are really pay 5000 UAH for few hours in evening?

Just one time classical sex?

Sorry.

You are one from this make the price broken, 1500-1800 UAH this is much more then enough.

I pay 5 Years before 1700 UAH for night with a girl OK UAH it was 1/8.

Now it is 1/25. But this not means that girl get the same + NOW.

Nobody in Ukraine get now 3 times more salary.

So it was 2011 1200 UAH for 2-3 hours make 50% plus and all is fine.

If anybody go to girls with this wishes. All want have it in future.

4000 UAH for night with girl this is much money for them.

[SgtBoyle2]

Harry Hirsch,

You are absolute right!

I have pay yesterday 800 UAH for each girl in Odessa, I have take 2 so we made a threesome for 1600 UAH.I appreciate and respect the experience of others in relation to prices. However I have no doubt that the girls I took would not have gone with me for the sums suggested.

Perhaps it's me, or perhaps it's Buddha Bar but I do not believe that you will get an 8 in these types of places for 800 or even 1600 hryvnia. These girls are expecting to be paid $100 upwards and to even start with the figures suggested will simply lose you the deal. To buy most drinks in Buddha Bar cost you over 100 hryvnia and this is a cost each girl has to incur as the price for hooking a client.

Yes in other situations 1600 hryvnia may be sufficient but to suggest that this tariff will work in the top bars and top clubs of a Kiev is wrong. That may be a good reason for not frequenting such establishments but if you do then you must be prepared to pay the prices I paid.

[Rammstein2]

Just arrived in Kiev yesterday in the evening. I got my same apartment close to the Maidan.

Exchange rate at the airport Zhuliany 2. 710 Griwna for one €.

Taxi costs 10 meter from the airport exit doors about 300 to 600 Griwnas to the center.

50 meters forward at the exit from the airport 200 to 250 griwnas.

100 meters in front of the airport (sometimes you have to wait for a taxi) about 150 grw.

Call by telephone or by app its about 70 to 90 griwnas.

Take the bus (there is a station in front of the airport) 4 griwnas. You have to change the.

Bus one time so its 2 x 4 grw = 8 grw. Its about 60 - 70 minutes drive in the center.

No metro available.

I decided to pay 200 griwnas. I was lazy today and in a hurry.

I announced my arrival to my favorite 19 year old Veritschka to come to my apartment 18.00 but it was raining very strong. So she arrived very latest about 20.00. That destroyed my plans. I wanted to have a nice time with her from 18.00 to 21.30 and than go to the center to watch the soccer match France vs Germany at 22.00. So I watched it during the performance with my model girl. Here face is a 8 maybe a 9; she looks beautiful. Here body is something between 6 and 8. She left at midnight. My team lost 2:0.

I gave her 70 € (about 2.000 grw) for the start. Normally I give her 50 €. Sometimes I forget to give her something.

Tomorrow I have a date with two girls. One at 12.00 and the other at 17.00.

[Misterxxx]

Take the bus (there is a station in front of the airport) 4 griwnas. You have to change the.

Bus one time so its 2 x 4 grw = 8 grw. Its about 60 - 70 minutes drive in the center.

No metro available.Use the electro-bus (number 9, price 3 UAH). This bus will bring you from the airport to Ploschak Lv Tolstoho. It's in the center. Next to Khrechatik and the metro-station. For other connections use eway. In. Ua.

[Rammstein2]

Use the electro-bus (number 9, price 3 UAH). This bus will bring you from the airport to Ploschak Lv Tolstoho. It's in the center. Next to Khrechatik and the metro-station. For other connections use eway. In. Ua.Thanks a lot! So I could reduce my costs to get in the center for the half. I will try this bus the next time. Thank you Misterxxx.

[Rammstein2]

At 12.00 I have had a date with Anastasia 24 yo. We have written about 5 days before in Mamba and in Viber about this date and I confirmed the day again in the morning about 9.00 o' clock. But there was no Anastasia at the cafe. It was a perfect morning with about 20 degrees and I was sitting on a bench watching the entrance of the cafe. I was not disappointed but I went home at about 12.30. At home she wrote crazy things and I thought she will make jokes with me. Later Vi recognized that she could only speak Russian and google translator worked very bad. I gave her my address of the apartment.

Because Saturday I made 4 dates I decided to ask one of them for a date today. One girl agreed to be at my apartment at 15.00. Her name is Olivia, 23 yo. When I went down the street at 14.45 I got a massage from Anastasia that she arrived and I saw her on the street. She has beautiful very long black hairs but the rest was rather poor. Face and body between 5 and 6. It was not my type. She could not speak any language except Russian but she understood that I don't have time anymore and that I have not agreed to have a date now!! I told her maybe next week. 5 Minutes later Olivia arrived in an taxi. Oh shit. The same type like Anastasia. Without the beautiful long hairs. She did not sent me photos from her face only from her body. So I gave her 150 grw. For the taxi and said goodbye.

Back in my apartment my 17.00 date with Mary 20 yo also was canceled. She did not answer me anymore the whole day. So I wrote to Inna 19 yo and she agreed to come in 30 minutes. I fetched her up from the street and what I saw was very exiting. She also had very long black hair was about 175 cm tall. Her face was OK but her behavior was very interesting. She was really shy and I recognized that she was rather new in business. She told me that she is a student. We did not talk about money before and we did not talk about it now. We did not talk much because her English was very very poor. I recognized that this was one of her first BJ but she was perfect. I put her long black hair on my bailey while she was doing her job. The rest also was perfect. After about one hour we agreed to pay 1.000 Griwnas and she was very happy about it. I told her she could come whenever she want to and she smiled. She is a lovely shy girl, Oliviya Inna Mary.

[Ringudor]

After about one hour we agreed to pay 1.000 Griwnas and she was very happy about it..You didn't talk about price of service before meeting? It can be so dangerous, I think.

[Rammstein2]

Hi guys,

Is there a casino in Kiev where it is possible to play poker? Has anybody some information about it? Normally internet gives every information but in this case I can't find something for sure. The Kryschatik Hotel at Maidan was famous for that but yesterday they told me they don't offer poker anymore since the Maidan revolution.

[Rammstein2]

Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. So I made a date today for 10.00 o'clock in the morning. Her name is Anna 19 yo. She is a 6 or 7 but very clever, English and Spanish spoken. She gave a perfect blowjob and I never had a girl who is getting so wet. Afterwards the bed sheets have been super wet and I have to change them. But she helped me. In Viber we agree to an amount of 1. 500 but after a nice talk and because she was in a hurry and left at about 11.30 she only wanted to have 1.000 grw. Wow. That's why I like these girls. I told her to come whenever she wants but not in the next three days (I still have some girls in my pipeline).

The last time in Kiev I met a girl called Jan 23 yo who only offered BJ for 500. I liked her BJ and she always asked when she could come. Today I met her in the streets of Kiev. It was very funny. We made dates for Monday / Tuesday and Wednesday at 13.00. A good morning after breakfast BJ.

The evening today is reserved for my model Vera. We will have a dinner somewhere and this night its possible for her to stay the whole night. She told her parents to stay overnight at a girlfriend. So I have had a good afternoon sleep. I am over 50 now and to have sex every day two times could be exhausting after a while ☺ I loaded up some fotos from the girls I had.

[Ringudor]

The girl of first and third photo is so beautiful (I think they are the same one.).

Which of the girls is her?

[SgtBoyle2]

Hi guys,

Is there a casino in Kiev where it is possible to play poker? Has anybody some information about it? Normally internet gives every information but in this case I can't find something for sure. The Kryschatik Hotel at Maidan was famous for that but yesterday they told me they don't offer poker anymore since the Maidan revolution.So far as I am aware gambling was officially outlawed in Ukraine by Yanukovych in order to comply with the measures taken by Putin in Russia. This has nothing to do with the events (revolution) of 2013. There have been no official casinos in Ukraine for many years.

[Ashurbanipal]

Hi guys,

Is there a casino in Kiev where it is possible to play poker? Has anybody some information about it? Normally internet gives every information but in this case I can't find something for sure. The Kryschatik Hotel at Maidan was famous for that but yesterday they told me they don't offer poker anymore since the Maidan revolution.Hi Rammstein2,

Gambling in Ukraine was made illegal in 2009.

[Rammstein2]

So far as I am aware gambling was officially outlawed in Ukraine by Yanukovych in order to comply with the measures taken by Putin in Russia. This has nothing to do with the events (revolution) of 2013. There have been no official casinos in Ukraine for many years.Yes, you are right. There was a law in 2009 which has forbidden all gambling halls and casinos in the Ukraine. The reason was that the people spent their last money in gambling with slot machines and the other things. Unfortunately also poker and No Limet Holdem Tournaments have been forbidden in these days. It would have been a paradise for me if it would be possible to play Poker here. A Blowjob in the morning. A fuck in the evening and a tournament in the night.

[Rammstein2]

It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.

Jan (the 500 BJ girl) wrote in Viber if she could come today. I agreed and we made a date at 18.00. I went out and made a 3 hour walk to RIO Bar pand the main University. I decided to go in the Rio Bar next week. Not to take a girl outside there, just to look and see the atmosphere. Jan came exactly in time washed her hands, brushed her tooth (she brought her own teeth brush) - can you imagine (and took her clothes of. OK, I think today she was here for the 6th time. So she had routine. Today I needed a lot of stimulation and about 45 Minutes. She did her job.

Afterwards I will go to "Posata hata" to have some food and later watch the finale of the European soccer championship at a sports bar in the center. No more chics today. Some fotos from the last chicas.

[Misc123]

I went to a casino on the 4th /5th floor of Avalon. There is a private VIP lift to that. Last I went was in 2015 beginning. Suggest ask in Avalon front desk, give a hefty tip so they open their mouth and let you in. I went with a local who was well known to Avalon. I remember Poker, blackjack and some slots. I also went to another casino off kreshchatyk in 2013. Don't remember the address. Not sure either are open now , as I haven't been to those casinos since. May not be official casinos

Ciao.

Misc.

[Muddy7]

I was in Kiev a few weeks ago. First time in several years. Nice to be back. Was especially inspired by the Euromaiden memorial.

I go to Club Rio, first time, I'd heard it was the closest thing to a River Palace.

Ugh.

The Context. I'm early 40's, live in NYC, european, non-smoker, clean-shaven. Know my way around a strip club. Was actually a strip club bartender for a while....Good post.

Most girls at rio do only covered blowjob, some do BBBJ but before you pay $300 you need to ask them to make sure, and make sure to let them know $300 is for 3 hours not 2 hours, many of them want to get it over as fast as they can so they can go back to the club to make more money.

[Rammstein2]

Good post.

Most girls at rio do only covered blowjob, some do BBBJ but before you pay $300 you need to ask them to make sure, and make sure to let them know $300 is for 3 hours not 2 hours, many of them want to get it over as fast as they can so they can go back to the club to make more money.I do not understand why people go to Rio? What I read about Rio is "most expensive prices" for "average or bad services" with "mostly average arrogant girls". Maybe the only reason to go there is to find a girl immediately without searching in Bars or in Mamba.

[Alex7J]

It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.

Jan (the 500 BJ girl) wrote in Viber if she could come today. I agreed and we made a date at 18.00. I went out and made a 3 hour walk to RIO Bar pand the main University. I decided to go in the Rio Bar next week. Not to take a girl outside there, just to look and see the atmosphere. Jan came exactly in time washed her hands, brushed her tooth (she brought her own teeth brush) - can you imagine (and took her clothes of. OK, I think today she was here for the 6th time. So she had routine. Today I needed a lot of stimulation and about 45 Minutes. She did her job.

Afterwards I will go to "Posata hata" to have some food and later watch the finale of the European soccer championship at a sports bar in the center. No more chics today. Some fotos from the last chicas.Rammstein I am so fucking jealous of you about the fun you had in Kiev and also so thankful to you for keeping the Kiev thread alive. I so want to come to Kiev but I a more of a club or bar guy or coffee shop or restaurant I like to pick my goods after inspecting with them, talking, chatting and getting the vibe.

But you have opened a new Pandora I just love Ukrainian women here in DXB must have fucked at least 100 in the last 2 yrs in DXB that's 1 every week. Stupid me.

But cheers man will take you guidance when I am planning a trip to Kiev which will be very soon.

Alex

[Rammstein2]

Have had some beer yesterday with an Brazilian guy who was a fan from Portugal which won the final So I got up very late this morning.

I became acquainted with a woman in Mamba at the beginning of may. She looked good was 39 yo and was not locking for a sponsor in Mamba. We met 3 or 4 times and we have had dinner two times. 2 weeks ago I already asked her in Viber " but the next time we met we must have sex together" and she agreed. Yesterday she returned from holiday in Kiev. So we meet in a cafe today close to my apartment at 14.00 and of course it happened. It was great to have sex with an older girl. Its good to have such an experience from time to time. On the other side a well locking body from an 19 yo girl is unbeatable.

Fortunately she had a business date at 18.00. Exactly the time when I had a date at a cafe close to my apartment. So she left 15 minutes before I leave my home. My date called Masha 20 yo and she is in Mamba at this time. She was good locking with big breasts. I liked her but I could not have sex now. It was really hot today, I was tired from the beer yesterday and I just had good and long sex 2 hours ago. So we decided to meet when I will write her. Some fotos of her.

When I came home what a surprise my lovely, dearest honey model Vera was waiting at the main door of my apartment. I was lucky. She don't want to have sex with me- she only brought me the Ukrainian SIM card which she bought for me. She regret that she could not stay with me but she has to learn for the other examen which she will write tomorrow. I said maybe its an excuse but she must come tomorrow after the examen. She promised it.

[Muddy7]

I do not understand why people go to Rio? What I read about Rio is "most expensive prices" for "average or bad services" with "mostly average arrogant girls". Maybe the only reason to go there is to find a girl immediately without searching in Bars or in Mamba.Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?

[Member #4722]

Kiev Four-Day Trip Report.

Had a short trip in Kiev and it started off bad but got a lot better. Great city very affordable I stayed at Olga Apartments in city center had a great room for $50/ night it was just a studio but right by main McDonalds and the guys that run the apartments are great and very helpful.

On to the girls. I had my eye on this girl Zoya from Mamba. She is a very beautiful young redhead. I have browsed Mamba for two months before my trip and saved any contacts that look good. I don't mind doing this legwork because it is fun for me to look at all the ladies. So Zoya was my number one girl I wanted to meet. Then I see this girl Masha that Rammstein2 mentions in his post below. She has many nice pictures on her profile and while I browse the pictures I see this same redhead Zoya in many of the pictures. They look like best friends from the pictures. I think they are both beautiful and look like fun ladies too and both young and hot. Zoya had originally quoted me $100-150 for several hours. I saw her in the pictures with Masha and asked if they would do threesome and she replied back "I would be all for it". So I am getting very excited at this point. This is a week in advance of my trip so I wanted to make sure this went well so I proposed $300 for both of them for three hours. I wanted to be generous as to make sure this date happened. So the night before I arrive I sent her a message just to confirm the date and it looked like everything was good. That is until I get to Kiev. I send a Whatsapp message when I arrive to set up a time and I get no response. So I got blown off my first night, not a good start. I actually tried to contact Zoya all through the weekend to try to set something up but she would not write back until the next morning and write "Good Morning" and she does this every morning but no other response and this was very frustrating. I was going to post a warning about these girls but it seems Masha her friend is more reliable since she met with Rammstein2. Maybe I should have contacted her.

Well the first night gets worse from here. I called Gia and requested Anna for three hours. I had my eye on her anyways and liked her look and she was having a discount also, so this looked promising. So I made an appointment and the booker says she will be there at 23:00. She arrives at 23:30 but she looks very good just like her pictures so I don't mind that she is late. I had some drinks for myself and the girls and I asked if she wanted Piva, champagne or Jack Daniels. When she chose the Jack I thought this night was great. She speaks very little English but we used Google translate and had a very nice time getting to know each other and some nice touching was starting to happen. I asked if she would extend the session another three hours and gave her $150. I guess this is against the rules but I was not even thinking about this because of the nice girl in front of me. The manager needs to know if you extend the session. I guess she did not tell them. We had some drinks and had a very nice session. My plan all along was to have an early session and then go out to the club. After our session I asked her if she would come to Caribbean Club with me for some drinks and then we would come back for another session. She agrees. On the way there she asks if I like threesome and I say of course and she asks me if I would like her friend to come meet us. I told her I was worried about money because I have a budget and I already gave her $450 and was going to spend more money at the bar. She says all I need to give her friend is $50 and she is very beautiful. I say yes, for sure. So her friend arrives soon after and she is very pretty but not very nice and a bit cold to me. All night I tried to be charming and tell jokes but nothing would make her smile. Anna was still nice but we had many drinks and with every drink she becomes less nice. We had many drinks and I was very intoxicated so Anna must have been even more so she matched me drink for drink all night and I am 6-4 230 pounds and she is half my size. So it is light out by the time we decide to go back to my apartment for the threesome. These girls are both drunk and acting crazy in the street trying to get a taxi but they seem in good spirits. We get to my place and they go to the bathroom while I go to turn on some music then I hear a door slam and go back and look and these girls had run out on me! I just had to laugh and could not believe it. If her friend didn't want to be with me all they had to do was tell me. I went downstairs and they were nowhere to be seen. This was very humiliating for me and I had been nothing but a gentleman with them. I was so mad I wrote an e-mail to Gia right then telling them the whole situation. I regretted this as soon as I woke up as Anna might get in big trouble over this and she has a young child to care for. Gia person seemed angry at first but eventually offered me a discount if I wanted to try another girl (10%.

Staying out so late also ruined Friday for me as I slept most of the day and then took trips to Shooters and Caribbean Club very late. Shooters has gone way downhill rude staff, not al all full on Friday night and not many good girls. Caribbean had some possibilities but my confidence was shaken from Thursday and I didn't have the energy to pursue women.

Saturday things got much better. Met with a girl I have kept in contact with for three years since my last trip. We had a real connection and I consider her a friend. She seemed like a very sad person when I met her outside the Vodka bar three years ago. But now she has a real job and does not go out every night and lives a more healthy lifestyle. She looked great and seemed very happy. We had a great session, the best of my trip. $100 and I bought her some hair products from the USA. She said she will hang out with me as much as I want (as her schedule permits) for free but if I wanted sex I still had to pay even though we are friends.

Saturday I met with this Mamba Girl that SgtBoyle2 was nice enough to give me contact info for. I love tall women and she fit the bill perfectly. This girl was very professional in all contacts which was a relief after the issues with the young girls. She is 28 so maybe that helps. This girl has kind of a Plain Jane face (not ugly at all I actually found her very pretty but I know there are a lot of trophy hunters in this forum and I don't think everyone would like her). She has a very nice body and the service was spectacular. Great BBBJ especially I was a bit tired and she really worked hard to get me to where I needed to be. After the session I walked her to the Metro (oh, yes, I offered her taxi money so she didn't have to take the Metro and she declined! Great girl) and she held my hand the whole time. I was on my way to Atlas Weekend music festival and could not hang out more but she said many dates with her include a meal or drinks after so she is a great option for solo travelers who like good company along with sex. She also offers anal sex and I have been dying to try this but I am very large so I have not done anal in 10+ years. I was determined to try it on this trip and I thought this would be the perfect woman to try with but she said I am too big to fit. You learn your whole life that having a big dick is a good thing but really for a monger it is a detriment and sometimes I wish it was small in situations like this. I can give her contact info but only for gentleman and those with a history here on ISG!

Finished off the weekend at Atlas Weekend wow this is the most hot girls I have ever seen in one place this is a huge music festival with thousands of people and many hot ladies. I did not make any contacts there but did not try but it seemed as it would have been easy the girls have their guard down there as opposed to the clubs and regular bars.

So the trip started off slow but got a lot better and overall I had a very good time and want to return soon. I had a few nice contacts from Mamba that I never had time to see I think four days is much too short in Kiev.

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!

[SgtBoyle2]

Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?I am not going to deny that Rio is expensive but it's the best of the strip clubs I've been to in Kiev and a lot lot better than Dolls.

I haven't been there since April but I have in the past established relationships with two girls from Rio one of whom I really liked and for whom I should have honored my promise to take her to London.

Rio is IMO a perfectly safe and friendly institution. Andrei the manager does his very best to ensure you have a good time. Yes it's expensive but don't go there if you can't afford it or won't pay the prices.

Private dances are 400 hryvnia and last 2 songs. The girls get naked and really quite intimate but your not supposed to touch their private parts. If a girl wants you to take her out this is when she'll try her best to hook you.

If you want a girl to sit with you then you have to buy her a drink: say 150 hryvnia.

If you want to take a girl out its $300. So far as I'm aware there's no set time on take out but all the girls have to be back at the Club before it shuts at 5 am. I don't know why but I think it's to collect their money. If you take a girl out early in the evening then the ones I've met seem quite happy to treat it as a dinner date and are quite relaxed on time. They seem to figure they've made their money for the evening.

All services are covered unless you establish a relationship but this is pretty much the same with the Salons and the pros from the clubs. It's only really with Mamba or similar connection connections that you can expect greater services.

The quality of the girls is mixed but there are some stunners and also some nice girls.

So Rio is not for everybody. You can sometimes get as good looking girls from Buddha Bar for $200 or less and there are other opportunities for even cheaper and better girls.

The point about Rio is that is predictable. Sometimes you want that and sometimes you don't. Even Vladimir Klitshcko has been known to visit but only for a drink.

[Cheema]

I wanted to Kiev this year again but now I am going Panama and Costa Rica and USA instead, wanted to try something different but Kiev is the best destination among I have visited, Taking Kiev visa is a lengthy and expensive process otherwise I might visit Kiev every 3 months. Everyone enjoy in Kiev and if need any help PM me.

[Rammstein2]

At Rog123 You are right Zoya and Masha are good friends. Masha sent me a lot of fotos before where both girls are shown. Both girls have been in Odessa the last weekend. Masha is working in an office and only has time in the evening at 18.00.

Yesterday I have been at Hydropark. Its directly at the Dnjepr river and there is a nice sandy beach. You can swim in the river if you like a lot of people did. For me it was enough to lie at the beach and to feel the hot sand. It was a hot sunny day. When I came home in the afternoon I have had so many post in Viber that I was forced to tell them that I am in Dnjepropetrovsk because of business this week.

My number one passed her exam today and arrived at 17.00. She was very happy and we had a good time. At 22.00 I accompanied her to the metro. I recognized, that I don't want to have an other girl.

[Poker Player 2]

I had very similar experience with GIA. Girls in this business get out of hand; I am concerned with how the agency handles customer complaints. This agency is the price leader in what they do but their actual service and the quality of most of their girls is at best average. When I called to complain about one of their girls deciding to leave early, their reaction was very unhelpful.

Best wishes,

Poker Player 2.


Kiev Four-Day Trip Report.

Had a short trip in Kiev and it started off bad but got a lot better. Great city very affordable I stayed at Olga Apartments in city center had a great room for $50/ night it was just a studio but right by main McDonalds and the guys that run the apartments are great and very helpful.

On to the girls. I had my eye on this girl Zoya from Mamba. She is a very beautiful young redhead. I have browsed Mamba for two months before my trip and saved any contacts that look good. I don't mind doing this legwork because it is fun for me to look at all the ladies. So Zoya was my number one girl I wanted to meet. Then I see this girl Masha that Rammstein2 mentions in his post below. She has many nice pictures on her profile and while I browse the pictures I see this same redhead Zoya in many of the pictures. They look like best friends from the pictures. I think they are both beautiful and look like fun ladies too and both young and hot. Zoya had originally quoted me $100-150 for several hours. I saw her in the pictures with Masha and asked if they would do threesome and she replied back "I would be all for it". So I am getting very excited at this point. This is a week in advance of my trip so I wanted to make sure this went well so I proposed $300 for both of them for three hours. I wanted to be generous as to make sure this date happened. So the night before I arrive I sent her a message just to confirm the date and it looked like everything was good. That is until I get to Kiev. I send a Whatsapp message when I arrive to set up a time and I get no response. So I got blown off my first night, not a good start. I actually tried to contact Zoya all through the weekend to try to set something up but she would not write back until the next morning and write "Good Morning" and she does this every morning but no other response and this was very frustrating. I was going to post a warning about these girls but it seems Masha her friend is more reliable since she met with Rammstein2. Maybe I should have contacted her.

Well the first night gets worse from here. I called Gia and requested Anna for three hours. I had my eye on her anyways and liked her look and she was having a discount also, so this looked promising. So I made an appointment and the booker says she will be there at 23:00. She arrives at 23:30 but she looks very good just like her pictures so I don't mind that she is late. I had some drinks for myself and the girls and I asked if she wanted Piva, champagne or Jack Daniels. When she chose the Jack I thought this night was great. She speaks very little English but we used Google translate and had a very nice time getting to know each other and some nice touching was starting to happen. I asked if she would extend the session another three hours and gave her $150. I guess this is against the rules but I was not even thinking about this because of the nice girl in front of me. The manager needs to know if you extend the session. I guess she did not tell them. We had some drinks and had a very nice session. My plan all along was to have an early session and then go out to the club. After our session I asked her if she would come to Caribbean Club with me for some drinks and then we would come back for another session. She agrees. On the way there she asks if I like threesome and I say of course and she asks me if I would like her friend to come meet us. I told her I was worried about money because I have a budget and I already gave her $450 and was going to spend more money at the bar. She says all I need to give her friend is $50 and she is very beautiful. I say yes, for sure. So her friend arrives soon after and she is very pretty but not very nice and a bit cold to me. All night I tried to be charming and tell jokes but nothing would make her smile. Anna was still nice but we had many drinks and with every drink she becomes less nice. We had many drinks and I was very intoxicated so Anna must have been even more so she matched me drink for drink all night and I am 6-4 230 pounds and she is half my size. So it is light out by the time we decide to go back to my apartment for the threesome. These girls are both drunk and acting crazy in the street trying to get a taxi but they seem in good spirits. We get to my place and they go to the bathroom while I go to turn on some music then I hear a door slam and go back and look and these girls had run out on me! I just had to laugh and could not believe it. If her friend didn't want to be with me all they had to do was tell me. I went downstairs and they were nowhere to be seen. This was very humiliating for me and I had been nothing but a gentleman with them. I was so mad I wrote an e-mail to Gia right then telling them the whole situation. I regretted this as soon as I woke up as Anna might get in big trouble over this and she has a young child to care for. Gia person seemed angry at first but eventually offered me a discount if I wanted to try another girl (10%.

Staying out so late also ruined Friday for me as I slept most of the day and then took trips to Shooters and Caribbean Club very late. Shooters has gone way downhill rude staff, not al all full on Friday night and not many good girls. Caribbean had some possibilities but my confidence was shaken from Thursday and I didn't have the energy to pursue women.

Saturday things got much better. Met with a girl I have kept in contact with for three years since my last trip. We had a real connection and I consider her a friend. She seemed like a very sad person when I met her outside the Vodka bar three years ago. But now she has a real job and does not go out every night and lives a more healthy lifestyle. She looked great and seemed very happy. We had a great session, the best of my trip. $100 and I bought her some hair products from the USA. She said she will hang out with me as much as I want (as her schedule permits) for free but if I wanted sex I still had to pay even though we are friends.

Saturday I met with this Mamba Girl that SgtBoyle2 was nice enough to give me contact info for. I love tall women and she fit the bill perfectly. This girl was very professional in all contacts which was a relief after the issues with the young girls. She is 28 so maybe that helps. This girl has kind of a Plain Jane face (not ugly at all I actually found her very pretty but I know there are a lot of trophy hunters in this forum and I don't think everyone would like her). She has a very nice body and the service was spectacular. Great BBBJ especially I was a bit tired and she really worked hard to get me to where I needed to be. After the session I walked her to the Metro (oh, yes, I offered her taxi money so she didn't have to take the Metro and she declined! Great girl) and she held my hand the whole time. I was on my way to Atlas Weekend music festival and could not hang out more but she said many dates with her include a meal or drinks after so she is a great option for solo travelers who like good company along with sex. She also offers anal sex and I have been dying to try this but I am very large so I have not done anal in 10+ years. I was determined to try it on this trip and I thought this would be the perfect woman to try with but she said I am too big to fit. You learn your whole life that having a big dick is a good thing but really for a monger it is a detriment and sometimes I wish it was small in situations like this. I can give her contact info but only for gentleman and those with a history here on ISG!

Finished off the weekend at Atlas Weekend wow this is the most hot girls I have ever seen in one place this is a huge music festival with thousands of people and many hot ladies. I did not make any contacts there but did not try but it seemed as it would have been easy the girls have their guard down there as opposed to the clubs and regular bars.

So the trip started off slow but got a lot better and overall I had a very good time and want to return soon. I had a few nice contacts from Mamba that I never had time to see I think four days is much too short in Kiev.

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!

[Volpone]

If anyone sessions with Zoya or Masha (or both at same time) please write a report I want to find out what I missed!You did nothing wrong, that's absolutely normal with mamba girls. It happened to me a few times. A girl says that she will come to my place and she never comes. With the amount you spent in 4 days, I can have sex 3 times a week during one month in Kiev. I usually pay mamba girls around 800-1250 UAH for one hour, oral without. To do that, you need lots of time, to have some girls that you already met and you can count on them.

[Rammstein2]

Jan the 500 grw Blowjobgirl called me at 10 o' clock in the morning to come at 11.00. I agreed. She came in time, washed her hands, brushed her teeth and left at about 12.00.

During the BJ my MILF from day 5 wrote me to have something to eat at 13.00. I agreed and went to "la Cantina" an Italian Restaurant close to the Dnjepr. I took a quattro formagio and we have had a nice talk and meal. During the meal I used some minutes to make a date with "Baby 18" from Mamba who wrote for a meeting today. She already has given me her Viber number but she did not answer when I wrote her in the last days. So we made a date for 16.00.

She was very late and arrived at about 17.00. First I thought it was a fake but when she arrived I believed her that there was a big traffic jam. It was very hot and her face was very red. But what a beautiful girl. On the fotos she sent to me I thought she is 20 or 21 yo. I made some fotos of her. Unfortunately I made a date at 18.30 so we only had one hour. She had a great body and great breasts. I gave her 30 . She asked for coming more often. We will stay in contact.

At 18.30 I met a 36 yo woman from Mamba who was not looking for sponsoring in Cafe Mafia at Maidan. She could speak good German. Later we went to Obolon its a nice area at the Dnjepr river on an other side of the city. A very clean and rich and not so busy area. We have been in a restaurant there. Great evening and I came home very late.

[Rammstein2]

Its definitely a money burner, by the time you come home with a dancer you have spend $400 or more for taxi, drinks, tips, private dances, and you get covered blowjob, and if you don't know better the girl stays less than 3 hours. If you want bare blowjob you must ask them before paying $300.

BTW- how much RIO is charging locals in GRIVNA for taking a girl home?The last weeks and months I talked a lot with the girls and the people about the incomes and salaries in the Ukraine. So I can tell you the following real things and examples for Kiew:

- pension from a old woman who worked 40 years for the Ukrainian State: 1. 000 Griwna (37 Euro) a month.

- pension of an average old man 1.500 Griwna (53 Euro).

- student who was standing in a shop for a month 2. 000 to 2. 500 grw (70 - 90 Euros).

- average simple workers salary 3.000 to 4.000 Griwna (110 -150 Euros).

- average employee in an office 4.000 to 8.000 Griwna (150 - 300 Euros).

- "little or middle" manager 8.000 to 12.000 Griwna (300 - 450 Euros).

Think about these salaries when you are paying 2 or 3 monthly salaries to girls who are arrogant or not willing to do their job for this money or who are not doing a BBBJ. I do not like to give a good looking girl with good service more than 1000 grw for some hours. Its a lot of money for these girls and there are a lot of girls who are super happy about this amount especially when they can visit you more often.

[Riina]

Whatever happened to the authentic looking photos of girls hanging out in a mongers apartment? Everything here seems like something copied from a VK profile.

[Volpone]

The last weeks and months I talked a lot with the girls and the people about the incomes and salaries in the Ukraine. So I can tell you the following real things and examples for Kiew:

- pension from a old woman who worked 40 years for the Ukrainian State: 1. 000 Griwna (37 Euro) a month.

- pension of an average old man 1.500 Griwna (53 Euro).

- student who was standing in a shop for a month 2. 000 to 2. 500 grw (70 - 90 Euros).

- average simple workers salary 3.000 to 4.000 Griwna (110 -150 Euros).

- average employee in an office 4.000 to 8.000 Griwna (150 - 300 Euros).

- "little or middle" manager 8.000 to 12.000 Griwna (300 - 450 Euros).

Think about these salaries when you are paying 2 or 3 monthly salaries to girls who are arrogant or not willing to do their job for this money or who are not doing a BBBJ. I do not like to give a good looking girl with good service more than 1000 grw for some hours. Its a lot of money for these girls and there are a lot of girls who are super happy about this amount especially when they can visit you more often.I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.

[Misc123]

I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.Volpone, Rammstein. Both of you bring up a good point. There is another way of looking at it. Are you saving money compared to your own country. Whichever that is? If you pay 100 Euro (Eu) in your own country and 100 Eu in Kiev then it is no save. If you get younger and more beautiful in Kiev compared to your city, then you can justify that as a save. But if it is money save, then it is best.

In Kiev, I usually try to pay 50-100 Eu for 2-4 hours, 100-150 Eu for all night, 10+ hours. But rarely do I get a 8-9 for that kind of money (sometimes, if I get lucky). Mostly I get girls who are 6-7 around 19-24 years. Rarely I have to pay more. Outside Kiev, it get cheaper and you get more beautiful girls. All these rates are for non agency girls - mamba, kreschatyk, vk etc. If you go to agency then you have to pay much more. For club like Rio. Go early before 10-11 pm, and negotiate for the girl to stay till 4-5 am. Ciao.

[Rammstein2]

Today I meet with a girl 23 yo from Lviv. I have been in contact with her for a long time but we never met. She was in Kiev for holidays and we used the possibility to have breakfast together. In my opinion she is a 8 face and body and very charm. I knew that she wanted to have 200 Euros for a night and when she asked me about having sex I told her that I did not pay these prices. At least she agreed to come to my apartment for 50 . She stayed the whole afternoon and in the evening we went for a dinner and later to Caribbean Bar. We both like Salsa music and it was fantastic there. You can see her in Mamba in Lviv. I put some photos here which she sent me by Viber. Unfortunately she has no time for me at the weekend and will go back to Lviv on Sunday.

[Lllyxer]

Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. So I made a date today for 10.00 o'clock in the morning. Her name is Anna 19 yo. She is a 6 or 7 but very clever, English and Spanish spoken. She gave a perfect blowjob and I never had a girl who is getting so wet. Afterwards the bed sheets have been super wet and I have to change them. But she helped me. In Viber we agree to an amount of 1. 500 but after a nice talk and because she was in a hurry and left at about 11.30 she only wanted to have 1.000 grw. Wow. That's why I like these girls. I told her to come whenever she wants but not in the next three days (I still have some girls in my pipeline).

The last time in Kiev I met a girl called Jan 23 yo who only offered BJ for 500. I liked her BJ and she always asked when she could come. Today I met her in the streets of Kiev. It was very funny. We made dates for Monday / Tuesday and Wednesday at 13.00..
It was a great evening yesterday. It was raining very strong and we have been in bed the whole time. The summer holidays at the University just begun but Vera has to learn for a last examen. So I was surfing in the internet while she was learning. Of course there have been a lot of kissing breaks and one long fucking break. In the morning we had a breakfast outside somewhere in Kiev and the sun was shining again. She went home at about 13.00 ]- so I did.
.Hi,

Thanks for your reports, seems like you are having wonderful time.

I'll be there in a week, tried my best but didn't have much of luck with contacts. Can you share some?

Best.

[DudeNextDoor]

I have not met her personally but there are a few like her in Lviv. They all open from 100-200 euros but I paid between 50 usd-70 euros for a few hours at my hotel or flat. The problem with Lviv is the number of girls are limited on Mamba. Soem are travelling some are occupied and I end up getting 1-2 mamba girl every trip.


Today I meet with a girl 23 yo from Lviv. I have been in contact with her for a long time but we never met. She was in Kiev for holidays and we used the possibility to have breakfast together. In my opinion she is a 8 face and body and very charm. I knew that she wanted to have 200 Euros for a night and when she asked me about having sex I told her that I did not pay these prices. At least she agreed to come to my apartment for 50 . She stayed the whole afternoon and in the evening we went for a dinner and later to Caribbean Bar. We both like Salsa music and it was fantastic there. You can see her in Mamba in Lviv. I put some photos here which she sent me by Viber. Unfortunately she has no time for me at the weekend and will go back to Lviv on Sunday.

[LuisVega11]

Whatever happened to the authentic looking photos of girls hanging out in a mongers apartment? Everything here seems like something copied from a VK profile.Same feeling. Lot of girl in 7 days not even a real photos. For a 50+ monger so easy to find cheap girl in mamba in Kiev.

[AColonizer]

Volpone was the main character of a Paolo Villaggio's movie. What about Italy, that's the worst country because of everything and everybody, but not for the food until now. I smile when I read Americans grumble about their nation, because they can't guess how much worse is the Italian background.

After years and years of sex market study and practice, I have deduced the best solution. Now good prostitutes are more expensive than open-minded partners, therefore it is cheaper to live with an open-minded partner for creating a family, rather to pay a prostitute for a sexual service plus to pay a mother for giving birth children plus to pay a baby-sitter for raising children plus to pay restaurants for good meals plus to pay a nurse for curing us plus to pay a dressmaker for mending clothing. I am talking about an open-minded partner only. It must be avoided women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children: these women should be the prostitutes!

The economic system has demonstrated the absurdity of the specialization theory, since the work of 5 people is less passionate and more expensive of the work of one clever person. The modern economic science is reduced to the marketing (scam) in spending more and getting less. In next future, it will be assigned a Nobel prize for this reason.



I got about the same results. Don't forget guys, that mamba girls usually don't have a pimp. They can keep all the money for them. Don't you have the feeling to be screwed when you give 100 dollars or Euros for 1 hour? Are you giving to a semi-pros or an occasional, 1 or 2 weeks salary in your own country? Well in Germany it would be something like 3-800 Euros for 1 hour. In Italy, one of the worst country Europe for paying sex, that would be still cheaper than Kiev. You can get sex with a beautiful one from Eastern Europe for 150-200 Euros for 1 hour and low-average salaries are around 1200-1500 Euros. So a bit more than 6-7 times less than the monthly salary. Here with one 100 Dollars or Euros, we are paying half of a low-average salary.

[Volpone]

About 40 % of the girls will ask at least 100 $ for 1 hour. With these girls it's usually hard to get the price down. The best you can usually do is around 2000 UAH. Some of them will exclude you if you dare asking a lower price than 100 $, so you can not see their profile and write to them.

Concerning the other half I would divide it in two. The first half is really choosy and their selection is very tough. They either want just one sponsor and to be with the same one or they want a really cute sponsor or the age is limited at 25 or 30 years old. The rest, I think at least 30 % is what we usually can get for a price less than 1000 UAH till 1500 for 1 hour or two. Most of the girls in that category are usually not so cute, average and less than average. I can add that 1 up to two speaks only Russian or Ukrainian and that you usually need many hours in front of your screen or mobile phone to get some phone numbers. And sometimes to get nothing or nearly nothing, because the girl says that she will come tomorrow to your place and she won't. Welcome in Mamba's world.

[Riina]

Welcome in Mamba's world.More like Mamba wasteland.

[Rammstein2]

No sex at day 9. My model Vera and I have been at the river beach the whole Friday and we made dinner at home. Her women days started yesterday. But it was so damned hot that I did not miss the sex really this evening. She will go to Odessa with her student girlfriend for a whole week. So she chose the right time for the trip.

I woke up very early at 8 am and was rather horny. Imagine one day without sex! I sent a "Good Morning" to about 10 of my Viber and Whattsapp girls which I already had the last days or which I wanted to test and have not had the time for. But nobody answered. So I looked in mamba for the new girls. Nobody was online. I sent a "HUG" sign in Viber for 5 or 6 more girls. The second choice girls from which I got the Viber numbers.

It was 10.00 o'clock now and I only got one response. She said later she will have time but now she is sleeping. So I went out to have a breakfast.

When I came back 2 o 3 hours later Viber was full of answers and questions. I made a date at 14.00 with a new 21 yo girl without talking about the price. I made a second date at 19.00 with the beautiful girl I already had last week (forgot her name). I made an other date at 15.30 in case if the new girl at 14.00 did not come.

14.00 - she Vibert me that she arrived and I fetched her up from street. She was a real Blondie and she was not good looking, maybe a 5 or a 6. I thought about giving her some money for the taxi and sent her home. But she was very charm and could speak a good English and I was horny. While she took a shower I cancelled my 15.30 date. When she put of her towel in bed I knew that I made a good decision. What a slim perfect body. Perfect good sized breasts and what a Blowjob! Really great she did a very good BJ. I decided to do a BJ only today and put my load in her mouth.

We had a nice talk afterwards and I asked if she is happy with 20 (I run out of Griwna) and a date for tomorrow. She agreed.

I communicated a lot in Viber / Whattsapp / Mamba this afternoon and asked for dates the next week while I was waiting for my next date. I got an answer from a girl (not looking for a sponsor) whom I wrote last month without response at this time. We made a date at a milk bar close to my apartment at 21.00.

19.00 the girl from I think Wednesday. Great performance!! I needed one hour BJ and Sex. I gave her 40 and asked her to make a photo. Lovely girl. She will be my favorite while Vera is in Odessa.

21.30 She wrote me to meet later. Perfect so I had a bit more time to relax. She was 28 and called Anja. Looking for marriage, kids and so on. A clever girl, very good English spoken. We have had a cafe a dessert and a nice time. I don't think she was excited about me. I could imaging to have sex with her.

[Rammstein2]

About 40 % of the girls will ask at least 100 $ for 1 hour. With these girls it's usually hard to get the price down. The best you can usually do is around 2000 UAH. Some of them will exclude you if you dare asking a lower price than 100 $, so you can not see their profile and write to them.

Concerning the other half I would divide it in two. The first half is really choosy and their selection is very tough. They either want just one sponsor and to be with the same one or they want a really cute sponsor or the age is limited at 25 or 30 years old. The rest, I think at least 30 % is what we usually can get for a price less than 1000 UAH till 1500 for 1 hour or two. Most of the girls in that category are usually not so cute, average and less than average. I can add that 1 up to two speaks only Russian or Ukrainian and that you usually need many hours in front of your screen or mobile phone to get some phone numbers. And sometimes to get nothing or nearly nothing, because the girl says that she will come tomorrow to your place and she won't. Welcome in Mamba's world.VENI, VEDI, VICI.

Does not work in Mamba. You need one month where you are searching for girls daily and prepare a contact list. But afterwards you can be sure that you have enough girls to choose. Especially if you make some longer conversation with the girls you also can be sure that she will be there at the date you made.

Advice: Try to make more dates and cancel the dates if the girl appears.

[Rammstein2]

After years and years of sex market study and practice, I have deduced the best solution. Now good prostitutes are more expensive than open-minded partners, therefore it is cheaper to live with an open-minded partner for creating a family, rather to pay a prostitute for a sexual service plus to pay a mother for giving birth children plus to pay a baby-sitter for raising children plus to pay restaurants for good meals plus to pay a nurse for curing us plus to pay a dressmaker for mending clothing. I am talking about an open-minded partner only. It must be avoided women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children: these women should be the prostitutes!I agree to avoid women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children; they are the prostitutes! But what is the difference between such a prostitute and an open-minded partner with the same costs? What is an open-minded partner? Do you think your actually woman is an open-minded partner only to avoid her calling a prostitute? An open-minded partner never ask to marry her.

In my opinion its always cheaper to have a prostitute than to have a wife; the prostitutes became more expansive. Yes, but the way of living, the children and the divorces too. And after the divorce you still have the costs. You can change the prostitutes whenever you want and you can save the money for them whenever you want.

[Rammstein2]

Hi,

Thanks for your reports, seems like you are having wonderful time.

I'll be there in a week, tried my best but didn't have much of luck with contacts. Can you share some?

Best.Sorry, you did not try enough! I can tell you that you get a lot of numbers in Mamba if you spent some time in it.

Is it OK to post some Numbers in the Forum here? I can give you some some 100 and 200 Euro girls if you like. I don't need them. I found this website too. Has anybody experience in this side? http://en.natashaescort.com/.

[Vitrea]

Good reports man. I wish you had PM privileges. May be you can write a few more reports and get senior member status. Ha Ha.

[Vitrea]

Rammstein2, you can't post numbers here. Only with Private messaging. In return for the pleasure of reading all the great reports, I will be happy to pay for your PM. Let me know.

Alternatively, You have to wait 5 more months and 3 more posts you get PM privileges.


Sorry, you did not try enough! I can tell you that you get a lot of numbers in Mamba if you spent some time in it.

Is it OK to post some Numbers in the Forum here? I can give you some some 100 and 200 Euro girls if you like. I don't need them. I found this website too. Has anybody experience in this side? http://en.natashaescort.com/.

[Harry Hirsch]

Rammstein2,

You had make real perfect work.

Who teach you this.

Only on this way you can go to Kiev and everybody will have a great sex time.

Thanks for sharing your great time.

[Slavicgourmet]

After years and years of sex market study and practice, I have deduced the best solution. Now good prostitutes are more expensive than open-minded partners, therefore it is cheaper to live with an open-minded partner for creating a family, rather to pay a prostitute for a sexual service plus to pay a mother for giving birth children plus to pay a baby-sitter for raising children plus to pay restaurants for good meals plus to pay a nurse for curing us plus to pay a dressmaker for mending clothing. I am talking about an open-minded partner only. It must be avoided women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children: these women should be the prostitutes!

.Example of an ukrainian "open-minded partner" - age 45. Not a top model but but a very sex hungry woman.

2 weeks holydays in the south of France. Sea, sex, and sun near a nudist area. In average 5 men a day.

Cost: 300 euros of "help" + studio, food, resturants, excursions etc (normal costs for holydays).

[Rammstein2]

My MILF from last week sent me a message if I like to fetch her up at 12.00 am. She gives private school lessons somewhere in the center. I was not very pleased about it because 12.00 am is rather early and I had other plans today but I agreed. We had a mochito somewhere and went to puzata hata afterwards to eat a little. When we walked at the street later she took my hand and it was obviously, that she wanted to be fucked. So we did it. She left at about 16:30 and I was not very happy to have an other MILF date at 19:00 (German speaking MILF which I met some days before). If you had fucked ten young chickens its good to have some variety. But I recognized that I prefer the 21 yo ladies. We have had some nice hours somewhere in an Argentinean restaurant and a good steak. I am sure that there would have been an other fuck for free if I tried but I did not. She had perfect Blowjob lips and big breasts. Yes, I liked her and her time will come.

When I Vibert so much yesterday I got an offer for a threesome. I never had a threesome in my life. But the most interesting thing was that the girls had their apartment in the same street like me. So they asked me to visit them. They gave me their door code and the apartment number. I tried the door number and it works. But it was around midnight and I decided to return next day.

[Bimbo Boy]

I agree to avoid women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children; they are the prostitutes! But what is the difference between such a prostitute and an open-minded partner with the same costs? What is an open-minded partner? Do you think your actually woman is an open-minded partner only to avoid her calling a prostitute? An open-minded partner never ask to marry her.

In my opinion its always cheaper to have a prostitute than to have a wife; the prostitutes became more expansive. Yes, but the way of living, the children and the divorces too. And after the divorce you still have the costs. You can change the prostitutes whenever you want and you can save the money for them whenever you want.There are thousands of beautiful MILFS, most of them living alone, hungry for sex and a little romance in their lives. Examples:

German hairdresser, 40 yo, no child.
Ukrainian civil servant, 42 yo, grown up daughter of 20.
Ukrainian finance executive, no children, 41 yo.
Brazilian lawyer, 36 yo, no child.
Russian administrator, 33 yo, no child.
Russian banker, 32 yo, no child.
Swiss housewife, 42 yo, married no kids and husband always in Africa or Asia.
Belarus accountant, 43 yo, a 21 yo daughter.

All of them very beautiful, independent. Sexually aware and trained. And there is nothing better than a loving woman, full of genuine desire, her pussy wet and dripping, for an allnight of no-limits sex, no clock watching.
I chase them in shopping centers, smartly dressed in a business suit, asking for directions.
My big problem is that I have too many of them. Too many SMS and emails, little time. I am trying to reduce the number (over 8 in parallel now), but it is not easy to gracefully break-up a relationship.
I got tired of the procedures and the mechanical sex of prostitutes.

[Wss1369]

Hi,

This is the first time for me and my friend come to Kiev. We want to find so girls and where would be easy and fast way to do that? We are planning to hang around bars for girls but not sure if it's best.

[Slavicgourmet]

There are thousands of beautiful MILFS, most of them living alone, hungry for sex and a little romance in their lives. Examples:

All of them very beautiful, independent. Sexually aware and trained. And there is nothing better than a loving woman, full of genuine desire, her pussy wet and dripping, for an allnight of no-limits sex, no clock watching.
I chase them in shopping centers, smartly dressed in a business suit, asking for directions.
My big problem is that I have too many of them. Too many SMS and emails, little time. I am trying to reduce the number (over 8 in parallel now), but it is not easy to gracefully break-up a relationship.
I got tired of the procedures and the mechanical sex of prostitutes.I fully agree with Bimbo Boy. MILF are my Target since 15 years. Generally it is very rewarding (sexually too).

You do not need to be an oligarch, just a normal guy with some "foreign touch", education, politeness.

In your search sometimes fall in your hands a young ten or a very beautiful, wealthy (for russian standard) MILF.

It is a statistic law. Practice, practice!

[Putologist]

No sex at day 9. My model Vera and I have been at the river beach the whole Friday and we made dinner at home. Her women days started yesterday. But it was so damned hot that I did not miss the sex really this evening. She will go to Odessa with her student girlfriend for a whole week. So she chose the right time for the trip...
Wow, this was a very effective way to spend 10 days in Kiev. I will try to do the same in my next trip to Ukraine.

I didn't know that it is possible to get quality girls from Mamba in Ukraine, now I think this is the way to go.

Thanks for the post Ramm. Too bad we can't PM you)

[Kingmax Xx]

I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1

[Ringudor]

I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1My last time there, also some girls tried to convince me to pay them a trip to Kiev to meet, I never did it, is so suspicious, a friend of mine did it with a girl from Kharkov, they were talking and chatting via webcam for months, he was so lucky and now they are near to marry, she is so cute, I think we should do the same, only to pay travel to a girl who demonstrate you so hard her interest and availability.

[Vitrea]

I notice many mamba girls are fake, and some only want to cheat the money from western guys. The blow girl cheated me $20 for travel.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1651900842?hit=10&sp=1How did she cheat you? I imagine the point of your post is to warn others. It helps if you can explain what happened.

[Simpleminded]

I just got to Kiev and did not do much Mamba research beforehand except for signing up and browsing a bit. Now I am here and the clock is ticking. I sent some messages today and got a reply from "Bella" on Mamba asking if I want to meet tomorrow. http://www.mamba.ru/mb1181626955?hit=3.

The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

Also, can anyone PM me Andrei's number?

[AColonizer]

I never wrote about marriage is something good. In fact marriage is the problem. In fact a honest partner never wants a marriage. In fact marriage is just for economic purpose only. In fact children, within a marriage, are for economic purpose only.

For this reason, the relationship between a prostitute and a customer is more honest in comparison of the relationship between a wife and a husband, because of the marriage. I describe what is in the reality and not in the mass marketing. Religion is a mass marketing. Economy is a mass marketing. Also science became a mass marketing.

But prostitutes are not the solution because they never can fill a person's life. I see men who gets a young, honest, beautiful, piggy Slavic girl in exchange of nothing. I see that phenomenon. And that is my goal. Otherwise I realize it is a waste of time and money for my life. The remaining people could continue to fight against the windmills of the mass marketing.


I agree to avoid women who want a man just for having children and for having money to raise children; they are the prostitutes! But what is the difference between such a prostitute and an open-minded partner with the same costs? What is an open-minded partner? Do you think your actually woman is an open-minded partner only to avoid her calling a prostitute? An open-minded partner never ask to marry her.

In my opinion its always cheaper to have a prostitute than to have a wife; the prostitutes became more expansive. Yes, but the way of living, the children and the divorces too. And after the divorce you still have the costs. You can change the prostitutes whenever you want and you can save the money for them whenever you want.

[CallSign Papa]

The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

In what way do they tell you that? She looks legit to me, plus she seems to be searching for something serious.

[Hzlvr]

Simpleminded,

We don't know why you think that on this girl.

I have met her, she is quite OK. She provided really good service, OK body, thou her tits didn't sit well after having a kid.

Only downers is that she can meet most often only during day time and back then she didn't speak much English. Oh, and she has written to me afterwards asking for money, "just help" even when I was not in Kiev.

(Met her earlier this year).


I just got to Kiev and did not do much Mamba research beforehand except for signing up and browsing a bit. Now I am here and the clock is ticking. I sent some messages today and got a reply from "Bella" on Mamba asking if I want to meet tomorrow. http://www.mamba.ru/mb1181626955?hit=3.

The name and pictures tell me it is probably a scam or bait and switch. I searched the name on the forum but didn't find any info. Does anyone have any experience with her?

Also, can anyone PM me Andrei's number?

[Simpleminded]

In what way do they tell you that? She looks legit to me, plus she seems to be searching for something serious.Thank you for taking the time to help out. I just assumed that since I am a newbie in Kiev that the ones that look too good to be true, usually are scams or bait and switch. When I wrote her with a canned message that I sent to many girls on Mamba, she responded very quickly and said she doesn't speak English. I thought that was the end of it so I used google translate to tell her that I understand and to have a good day. She then wrote back in English asking if I want to meet tomorrow. Long story short, I offered to meet at the Italian restaurant mentioned here in a post, but then we got down to the issue of sponsorship. I offered her 1500 UAH and she said she is okay with it. I asked if her pictures were real and she sent me 2 pictures just now on Whatsapp. We will see what happens and I will post a report. In the meantime, I'm trying to find some alternatives to Mamba.

[Simpleminded]

So, I have been here since Wednesday evening (about a day and a half) and I have not had any luck. Granted, I did not set up a bunch of possibilities on Mamba a month beforehand, but I did not think the mongering infrastructure would be this bad in what I thought was the land of milk and honeys. Here is where I stand so far on my attempts. I stayed in most of the day because it was raining. I figured this would be a good time to catch up on the Mamba homework that I neglected before I came here. I sent 22 canned messages and received one reply back from Bella who I am supposed to meet tomorrow. I know that I can go to Buddha Bar or Caribbean and pay something like $200 USD but I can't do that when I know I can go to an FKK for much cheaper and younger, and see the goods before I buy. I just came from Athens where I had a 20 year old blonde Russian and 20 year old blonde Czech girl for 20 Euros each. Yeah, it was like 10 minutes each but I more than got my money's worth and I would happily pay them $100 USD if they were here today. I tried Whatsapping a girl on Top-Modals named Lenochka. It says in her ad that the pics are verified and that you can Whatsapp her. It also said that she was 1200 UAH for an hour. So I sent her a message and asked if the info about the price and pics are correct and if she was available tonight. Everything was a go until I asked if she could send me a selfie of her holding up the middle finger. That's when she (or he) said " No, I admin. Can come beautiful girl". Then he sent me professional quality pics of other girls that were also obviously not going to be sent to my hotel room. When I pointed this out, they stopped responding. If worse comes to worse, I will just bite the bullet and pick a 1200 UAH or so girl and see what they send.

I am also staying in Hotel Rus which has a resident older worker hanging out outside the bar, as well as its own strip club. After 2 drinks at the bar, I wandered into the strip club to see how it was. It cost 100 UAH to get in, but a draft beer was only 40 UAH. I sit down and there are literally two other guys in the place both sitting with girls. The skinny girl dancing finishes and comes over to me to ask if I want a dance. I say "no" and she asks for a tip. I guess I should have given her something but she didn't even do anything for me. The next girl dancing is kinda cute but only dances for a minute or two on stage and only shows her tits and then comes and asks for a dance. I say "no" then she asks for a tip. I say "what's a tip?" and she says 100 or 200 UAH. She didn't so much as wiggle her ass for me. That's when I left. Hopefully I will have some better news to report tomorrow.

[Harry Hirsch]

So, I have been here since Wednesday evening (about a day and a half) and I have not had any luck. ........but I can't do that when I know I can go to an FKK for much cheaper and younger, and see the goods before I buy. I just came from Athens where I had a 20 year old blonde Russian and 20 year old blonde Czech girl for 20 Euros each. .......... Hopefully I will have some better news to report tomorrow.Sorry dude.

But I think it not works good for you in Kiev.

Stay in Greece and fuck your Russian and Czech girl.

Kiev isn't cheap if you not make your homework, learn to use Mamba!

200 $ isn't good, but too not bad Is it is for night.

Learn to be friendly. Then it works well for you.

[Tits_Lover]

Early to bed and early to rise makes a man healthy and wise. So I made a date today for 10.00 o'clock in the morning. Her name is Anna 19 yo. She is a 6 or 7 but very clever, English and Spanish spoken. She gave a perfect blowjob and I never had a girl who is getting so wet. Afterwards the bed sheets have been super wet and I have to change them..Is Anna the girl with pic marked "U1 19" ? How is her body and tits?

Thanks.

[Horny American]

Their website is fully functional again and in fact they seem to be completely back to "normal" operations. I did find that booking thru their website was MORE expensive due to them charging certain fees that the online sites like Expedia and Travelocity either don't allow or waive. I saved over $200 by booking elsewhere and I'm sure I'll end up spending that in the bar or on the dancers. So in my mind I saved $200 so the first two girls I bring back to the room are freebies LOL.


From what I could find out upon reading your post is that the former owner of the hotel was embezzling everything and took off with it all. I saw numerous reviews where people (groups and individuals) got charged again when they showed up at the hotel.

If anybody used sites like Expedia, Travelocity, TripAdvisor and etc I'm sure that they will get reimbursed but many got ripped off. Most sites would not let me book rooms now but some did. I guess it's all a matter of who owns the site and whether they trust new management etc.

If I stay in Kiev, I still plan on staying there if I can since I know it's affordable, I know I can get laid as many times as I want to and it is very convenient location too.
The Lybid hotel seems closed? At least you can't even book it on their official web page any more. Does anyone else have recommendations with not ultra-expensive hotels but still have a good bar with nice girls in it?

Or even strip clubs real close by?

[Misterxxx]

Their website is fully functional again and in fact they seem to be completely back to "normal" operations. I did find that booking thru their website was MORE expensive due to them charging certain fees that the online sites like Expedia and Travelocity either don't allow or waive. I saved over $200 by booking elsewhere and I'm sure I'll end up spending that in the bar or on the dancers. So in my mind I saved $200 so the first two girls I bring back to the room are freebies LOL.But all information about the stip-club were deleted. Is it possible that they opened without a strip-club. 4 weeks ago I drove through the street. Near by the hotel. And I saw a lot of trash on the street. A lot of furniture, signs and and and of something that was "from a strip-club". Maybe they have renovated the club? Or the club is really closed. It might be better if you write an email to the hotel and ask about the strip-club before you book it.

[Dapipa]

Volpone, Rammstein. Both of you bring up a good point. There is another way of looking at it. Are you saving money compared to your own country. Whichever that is? If you pay 100 Euro (Eu) in your own country and 100 Eu in Kiev then it is no save. If you get younger and more beautiful in Kiev compared to your city, then you can justify that as a save. But if it is money save, then it is best.

In Kiev, I usually try to pay 50-100 Eu for 2-4 hours, 100-150 Eu for all night, 10+ hours. But rarely do I get a 8-9 for that kind of money (sometimes, if I get lucky). Mostly I get girls who are 6-7 around 19-24 years. Rarely I have to pay more. Outside Kiev, it get cheaper and you get more beautiful girls. All these rates are for non agency girls - mamba, kreschatyk, vk etc. If you go to agency then you have to pay much more. For club like Rio. Go early before 10-11 pm, and negotiate for the girl to stay till 4-5 am. Ciao.Hey, would appreciate numbers and / or links. Thanks.

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[Horny American]

Thanks, I actually called and was told it was open. Hopefully that is true but if not I can always hit other bars etc and like I reported before the doormen at Hotel Lybid can easily arrange ladies as well. My hottest one was arranged that way and she was cheaper than the dancers as well.


But all information about the stip-club were deleted. Is it possible that they opened without a strip-club. 4 weeks ago I drove through the street. Near by the hotel. And I saw a lot of trash on the street. A lot of furniture, signs and and and of something that was "from a strip-club". Maybe they have renovated the club? Or the club is really closed. It might be better if you write an email to the hotel and ask about the strip-club before you book it.

[Riina]

Their website is fully functional again and in fact they seem to be completely back to "normal" operations. I did find that booking thru their website was MORE expensive due to them charging certain fees that the online sites like Expedia and Travelocity either don't allow or waive. I saved over $200 by booking elsewhere and I'm sure I'll end up spending that in the bar or on the dancers. So in my mind I saved $200 so the first two girls I bring back to the room are freebies LOL.Hotel rooms in Kiev seem really cheap now. Maybe a better option than an apartment?

[Sorbonne]

Thanks, I actually called and was told it was open. Hopefully that is true but if not I can always hit other bars etc and like I reported before the doormen at Hotel Lybid can easily arrange ladies as well. My hottest one was arranged that way and she was cheaper than the dancers as well."I do object to my hotel being raided by 150 counter terrorism police throwing offensive grenades and generally destroying the lobby whilst I'm inside. I also do not appreciate being barred from returning to the hotel to get my stuff except later that evening by a CT officer who forced me to pack up and leave in 5 minutes. I was then refused a refund for the nights I had booked and paid for in advance and was ejected onto the streets to find alternate accommodation. ".

Lybid Hotel gets such a nice review as above, LOL, at booking.com.

The lobby area was destroyed, but the entire hotel did not collapse?

If embezzlement was the problem, why did cops throw grenades? I thought EuroMaidan was a thing of the past.

The hotel named "Libido" has a strip club with pros congregating at the bar? Is the hotel aiming to be a new River Palace?

Are there strippers above 8?

This is the third hotel in Kiev I became aware of that has a strip club attached. So can you take a stripper to your room? How much is it at Lybid?

[Horny American]

Well, this "review" on Booking.com is the ONLY reference anywhere to grenades being used. If by some chance they were used I'd bet that they were only flash / bang or smoke grenades to hurry along the evacuation. There are literally dozens of reviews on either TripAdvisor, Travelocity and Expedia that are from that time frame but don't mention grenades.

Yes, they have always had their own strip joint and yes the girls are allowed up to your room. The doormen also have girls available. I was asked what kind of girl I wanted and I was shown a variety of pics to choose whom I wanted. Then they asked how long I wanted her for and what time to start.

I was never charged at all for bringing any girls up. They never mentioned if they were charged but if they were it came out of their money not mine.

In my opinion most of the dancers were in the 7-8 range with a few better and a few worse. I took two upstairs that were in the 9-10 range. I myself do not like to see girls with a lot of tattoo's and will rate them lower but others might not mind. There are more girls and prettier girls working on Friday and Saturday nights than during the week. During the week it's often slower with less customers and girls are more desperate to make their money. You can get the same girl for less money during the week than the weekend. Most girls only work 2 or 3 nights per week.


"I do object to my hotel being raided by 150 counter terrorism police throwing offensive grenades and generally destroying the lobby whilst I'm inside. I also do not appreciate being barred from returning to the hotel to get my stuff except later that evening by a CT officer who forced me to pack up and leave in 5 minutes. I was then refused a refund for the nights I had booked and paid for in advance and was ejected onto the streets to find alternate accommodation. ".

Lybid Hotel gets such a nice review as above, LOL, at booking.com.

The lobby area was destroyed, but the entire hotel did not collapse? ..

[Reallywildone]

Hi Rammstein,

Just been reading up on the Kiev forum, and you've contributed a great deal! I'd be happy to gift you a membership so you have PM facilities If you'd like this, just reply and let me know.

Jackson. I could not find a way to buy a membership for someone else. Could you please point me in the right direction? Many thanks.

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[Riina]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-crisis-arms-insight-idUSKCN1050ZE

Speaking of grenades, I would have some serious concerns about all the loose weapons throughout Ukraine when visiting Kiev.

[Arkiloko]

Hi guys,

I'm going back to Kiev.

Some business, just few free time.

Does anybody know some sex club or brothel or apartment.

Safe and in central area?

Last time I was there some guys told me about sex in a night in Arena city but I didn't tried.

Thanks.

[Zidane10]

Hi Horny American,

That was a piece of very useful information.

I think I'm going book a room at this hotel. I was wondering how much do those dancers from the strip-bar want for their services up at the hotel room? And by the way are those girls shown by doormen worth to try?

P. S I know that it's just the matter of taste, but I prefer girls with tattoos, they turn on me on somehow.

Looking forward to your reply.


Well, this "review" on Booking.com is the ONLY reference anywhere to grenades being used. If by some chance they were used I'd bet that they were only flash / bang or smoke grenades to hurry along the evacuation. There are literally dozens of reviews on either TripAdvisor, Travelocity and Expedia that are from that time frame but don't mention grenades.

Yes, they have always had their own strip joint and yes the girls are allowed up to your room. The doormen also have girls available. I was asked what kind of girl I wanted and I was shown a variety of pics to choose whom I wanted. Then they asked how long I wanted her for and what time to start.

I was never charged at all for bringing any girls up. They never mentioned if they were charged but if they were it came out of their money not mine.

In my opinion most of the dancers were in the 7-8 range with a few better and a few worse. I took two upstairs that were in the 9-10 range. I myself do not like to see girls with a lot of tattoo's and will rate them lower but others might not mind. There are more girls and prettier girls working on Friday and Saturday nights than during the week. During the week it's often slower with less customers and girls are more desperate to make their money. You can get the same girl for less money during the week than the weekend. Most girls only work 2 or 3 nights per week.

[Horny American]

Well, I can only say per my own experiences and I also believe that since it's obvious I'm not local etc (very little Russian etc and dress / talk like an American) that the dancers all asked for higher than normal amounts. One very hot girl stuck to her $200 asking price no matter what and since I didn't give in I didn't get to try her. Most of the dancers came down to $100 or less for a visit upstairs. Most of them preferred a CBJ and then CFS and the number of pops depended upon the girl. A few said just one pop but most allowed two. Several even offered all night pricing as well.

The best deals though were arranged by the doorman that I friend. The girls he arranged were just $80 and that included multiple pops and pictures as well. I could've got an even lower price but I wanted the pics for a souvenir. One girl I saw twice since she was pretty cute and just great in bed. Since she was a very nice girl that seemed to be just trying to get by I'll keep all the pics of her face and the action shots private and just show pics that don't identify her.

Note: All the doormen and even the dancers preferred to negotiate in US Dollars which didn't really matter to me but thought I'd point it out.


Hi Horny American,

That was a piece of very useful information.

I think I'm going book a room at this hotel. I was wondering how much do those dancers from the strip-bar want for their services up at the hotel room? And by the way are those girls shown by doormen worth to try?

P. S I know that it's just the matter of taste, but I prefer girls with tattoos, they turn on me on somehow.

Looking forward to your reply.

[Vaape Camhel]

I am preparing for my trip to Kiev in mid August. Just like Mr HornyAmerican says, I'm betting on friendly doormen as backup. A Andrew Jackson could open few doors. ? I booked hotel Ukraine suite. So far mamba got me quotes ranging from 50 to 200 usd. Couple of very interesting birds there. I'm on my thirties but I would prefer to get laid without going any noisy clubs.

Does anyone know when universities academic term begins in Kiev. I went through couple of uni websites but didn't find anything. A walk near any university could be worth while. Actually I'm going to see Chernobyl, but afaik lobby bar of Polissya hotel in Pripyat isn't popular among WG's anymore.

[Riina]

Most of the dancers came down to $100 or less for a visit upstairs.That sir does not make sense. What's the incentive for the strip club to find girls, give them a venue, and then offer them to you for $100? Are they slaves?

[KareteKid90]

Hey,

Coming soon I will go to Kiev, you think Mamba girls are trustable? Anybody experienced something bad with Mamba?

The other question, apartment or hotel is better in terms of bringing another person?.

Thanks,

Kid.

[Horny American]

No offense, but I take it that you do not know much about strip joints. The strip joint makes most of it's money off of the alcohol (huge markup) and the fee's charged for you to see the dancers in the main room. It's already been reported how much higher their prices are for the alcohol too. They are nearly double the prices of the hotel bar and you know the hotel bar is still making a profit as well.

The dancers make almost nothing out in the main room which is why they ask for either tips while dancing or for you to go for a private dance which is where they make the majority of their money. Not all of the dancers are even interested in going upstairs with patrons. Last year the sexiest one of didn't do it at all and even the bartenders and doorman said you would just be wasting your time if you tried to get her. That she could not be bought, she only did dances and that was it.

Nearly all my negotiations for the dancers actually took place either in the hotel bar or even outside when they were not dancing. The dancers are often charged a fee by the house just to work there as well. That is why they are serious about making money when they are working. It is very easy for the club to make money if they get one or several men inside drinking and get lap dances. I'm still sure that the club makes much more money on the weekend than the rest of the week combined.

Bottom line: The club hires girls to get guys in. You're charged a cover charge, you're charged for pole dancing show etc, you buy massively overpriced booze. It's very easy for guys to spend more than they intend with sexy girls and alcohol combined. Business men and tourists make up most of their trade not locals.

Not to mention the private lap dances in the back room where action can take place as well but again most dancers will ask if you like them etc and if you want to take them up to your room and suggest for you to buy them a drink in the hotel bar to get to know each other first before settling on a deal.


That sir does not make sense. What's the incentive for the strip club to find girls, give them a venue, and then offer them to you for $100? Are they slaves?

[Russel4339]

Thank you Luis.
Personally I don't buy into this idea that the bigger spenders spoil the market for everyone else. Ukrainian girls are smart enough to know you charge the rich guy more than the poor guy because there are not enough rich guys to go round. What I do think has happened and has not been commented on is that $ P4P prices have not decreased to reflect the devaluation of the Hryvnia. For a Ukrainian $100 is now worth more than it was 2 years ago and yet $ prices for girls have not changed. This means a girl in Skybar or Avalon only has to get one guy to pay 300 plus and she's set for the month: the rents paid. That I suspect is what's affecting supply. It's not that people like me are paying more it's because we're paying the same but in $.
.Yes. But you need consider where the prices where four years ago when it was 8 UAH /$ - the prices have not tripled to reflect this devaluation of the UAH against the dollar. (I would say that they have doubled or gone up 2. 25 x).

Also. UAH rates tend to be seasonal. The UAH right now is in summer mode at 25 UAH / However, if it is a typical year. The UAH will be at 27-28 UAH by mid October and I don't think the prices will change much to reflect this either. So come in the winter and you will be happier. .

[Vegas Jeff]

Kiev, Ukraine. A critical social study of the Culture.

If you guys want to skip this, the PFP Trip Report is further down below. Just scroll down to find the beginning. I figured I would post this first as it reads better than the other way around.

The Good in Kiev.

I found Kiev to be a clean city (for the most part) with little pollution. The systems are advanced with a good level of technology, goods, and services. The cost of food and lodging I found to be very inexpensive. For example, I could buy a small 6-sliced personal pizza for $2.50 USD and a large can of beer (4%-5% alcohol) for less $1 USD at Dominos Pizza. Incredible! No wonder there are so many Ukrainians shit-faced drunk late at night LOL.

I stayed in a nice hotel for $40/ night USD. They had an intelligent, English speaking staff and a 24 hour restaurant. The hotel included free WiFi, a complimentary computer area, concierge, taxis, etc. A great value for sure. BTW I stayed at the Hotel Rus and I would recommend this hotel.

The infrastructure of Kiev was impressive. There were large sections of the Kiev that were from the pre 20th century and well preserved with beauty and elegance.

The systems of transportation I found to be efficient and cheap. Going underground to cross many roads was interesting. There was a second city (existing underground) with a metro and shops in certain areas of Kiev.

I found the education level to be good through the high school level making some basic things fairly easy to do. I found many Ukrainians to be critical thinkers as well.

I found the women of Kiev to be beautiful and fit. The mid-level beauty of women was overall as good as I have seen just about anywhere with the top level women being stunningly gorgeous. The women in Kiev were right up there as being some of the most physically attractive as I have ever seen IMHO. All one has to do is take a walk down K Street at night to see what I am talking about.

Some of the best women I met would have made great companions. I found these women to be physically attractive and level headed. These women did not have an entitled attitude as well.

IMO Ukrainians are closer to escaping poverty than some of the Asian and Latin cultures I have visited in the past. I would not be surprised if Ukraine makes a cultural advancement in the future but I am not betting on it.

I met cool foreigners from Europe and Canada. These guys had great senses of humor, were humble, and critical minded. I laughed my ass off hanging with these guys and they made my stay in Kiev more enjoyable.

Cheap living, good food, advanced systems, educated people, beautiful women, etc. This has to be paradise, doesn't it?

The Bad in Kiev.

I will start with something that is important to me personally. The English level is lacking in Kiev. I was expecting Ukrainians to have more basic English. I was told that in China and Kiev the majority of under 30's had basic English and this was greatly overstated in both places. In malls, restaurants, the common areas in the upper middle class and above, etc the amount (and level) of English is lacking. I was told (as a decent looking, middle aged American man) that the women would be strongly inclined towards me. I felt a slight inclination but was unable to communicate with the majority of people. As a social person I found myself greatly restricted. BTW talking through Google Translate is not my idea of socializing and many of the women who would have wanted to talk with me could not. The need for Ukrainian / Russian was greatly understated and IMO this could be a reason why less single men travel to (or return to) Kiev.

Although I found transportation to be cheap and efficient, I found taxi drivers to be dishonest and hustlers. When I took a taxi from my hotel to various places the cost was 60 UAH. When returning the taxis wanted 200 and I found it a negotiation to get a 100 fare with many refusing. Taxis instinctively said 200 most of the time no matter where I was when asking for the fare. I got in the habit of just offering 100. Also, night rates were higher (when getting a taxi off the street) and locals and foreigners confirmed as much. I found all of this to be a headache and cost ineffective. Maybe I could have got a taxi cheaper by calling the company directly or using a mobile app but I am not going to wait 10+ minutes when a taxi is waiting right in front of me and I shouldn't have to. If a taxi is willing to travel to my location to take me somewhere, a taxi sitting right in front of me should be happy to do it for the same price.

I saw a strong sense of Envy and emptiness in the pretty women of Kiev. Not all women were this way (obviously) but it was in the mood of Kiev. As someone who has spent extensive time in Medellin, Colombia I know about this very well and saw a direct parallel. What is sad is the women in Kiev are much better educated than the women in Latin America. I found the men to be macho as a counter to the women. Too many Ukrainians are focused on what others have (and not wanting them to have it) instead of better themselves and working together. This hurts the inner fabric of a society and makes them less productive and friendly. I also want to add that the women in Kiev age terribly as I saw tons of hot 20 year olds and few hot 40 year old. I saw mothers and daughters walking together and they looked tremendously different. This is far contrast from my previous location where the women of Spain aged very well IMO.

Kiev is a fashion culture. Ukrainians spend lots of money on clothes, especially shoes. Recently, I was in Sydney, Australia. Australia has the highest minimum wage in the World ($13 USD / HR). The average wage in Kiev is $300/ month. I bet many people in Kiev spent more money on clothes than Australians do. This is a terribly sad cultural retardation. The people in Kiev desperately need things other than expensive clothing yet their decision making is like unintelligent children.

I found many Ukrainians to have bad instincts with limited courtesy. Absent were the subtle movements (and the looking out of the corner of one's eye) to be courteous towards others. This was noticeable in many areas of life from walking through a door at the same time to people walking directly at one another with limited space. Subtle movements were replaced with abrupt last second adjustments with many times people touching one another. I became very friendly with the concierge at my hotel and we spoke multiple times daily. I would estimate that I encountered 50 people walking up to the concierge desk while I was talking with her. Not one time did anyone say excuse me or give me a courteous gesture. It was as if I didn't exist. This is a perfect example of the culture in Kiev. Although I saw a warmness and affection between couples and friends, I felt a general "coldness" and a "discontent / unhappiness" in the general culture of Kiev. I was not "moved" by the energy of the people and would have found it to be draining to be in Kiev for an extended period of time. Another important factor to consider is the weather is brutally cold for the majority of the year in Kiev.

I mentioned the critical minds of some Ukrainians and their intelligence level. Why are they not more productive and the standard of living not higher? I found a teamwork attitude to be lacking in Kiev. There wasn't an energy of productivity in Kiev yet the people were generally serious. I noticed underemployment in Kiev. I saw many people with mindless jobs relative to their intelligence level. I saw many others working too hard (using their minds) with little reward or compensation. A spoke with a number of young professionals and all of them wanted to leave Kiev. I have never seen any culture where people wanted to leave to this degree. This strengthens the First World and keeps Ukraine down. This has to be somewhat demoralizing for the culture at large. How are businesses going to come to Kiev, creating jobs and providing tax revenue for the government?

Kiev's business culture is awful. Relative to the IQ level and technology this could be the worst business climate in the World. Kiev is a Second World country that is producing at a Third World level. I observed a ton of anti-business policies and attitudes in Kiev. I didn't let these things bother me (as I rose above) but these things would have gotten to me with time. There is almost a sense of vindication in the people when explaining why something can't be done as well.

I was ready to leave Kiev after a week and wouldn't have wanted to stay another day. With this said, there is no other place I would have wanted to stay (during that week) if I had to do it over again. This was personal as something happened to me mentally while I was there. A completion of a puzzle of sorts took place during this time.

I hope you gained something from my social study of Kiev, Ukraine.

Kiev, Ukraine. PFP Trip Report.

When I arrived in Kiev (and saw the women) I said to myself, "Why aren't there more sex mongers here? The women are beautiful!" I was soon to find out the reason why.

In countries like Kiev (where taxi rates are cheap) I always use taxis to get on my feet. I met two English speaking taxi drivers who showed me around. They were honest and knowledgeable. These guys were great and I was comfortable with them. I paid between 300-500 uah depending on the time (1-3 hours).

I was in Kiev for one week. I went to Buddha Bar, Shooters, Rio, and 3-4 strip clubs (sorry I don't remember the names). I also went to about 10 mps / casas. I walked K Street (with a taxi driver) and went to a few local bars as well.

The Kiev pfp scene is hardcore and expensive. Let me give an illustration. When taking a taxi from my hotel to the mall, the rate was 60 uah. After giving 70 upon arrival, the drivers responded with a smile. When trying to get a taxi to return (from the streets) they wanted 200 and acted as if 200 was nothing. The pfp scene was full of the taxi drivers asking for 200. Where were the 60 taxi drivers (the humble, unjaded hookers)? Get the picture.

I had sex with 2 women (one woman twice) and the sex with one was really good and the other was great. The cost was 2500/ HR ($100 usd) and 2000/ HR ($80 usd) respectively. Both included BBBJ. One session was 4000 for two hours which included BB everything. My favorite got sick or I would have had more sessions with her. There were smoking hot hookers amongst the rubble but all had bad attitudes. Many of the newer hookers were standoffish as well. If I were in a picture taking contest (to impress my friends or have memories of pretty women) I could have pulled the hot ones and you guys would have said "ooh and aah" but f*ck that! I also won't let the good sex I had with two hookers bias my overall opinion in Kiev's hardcore / cold pfp scene. If I were in Kiev for months I could have built a roster of BB everything hookers with seeds planted with taxi drivers and other hookers for new ones as well. This is a "home game" and most guys have limited time and these boards should reflect the short term visitors to a locale IMHO (a few days to a few weeks).

I had 4 Thai massages and they were great. The cost was 430 for 40 minutes and 680 for 2 hours. For 3 of the massages I paid an extra 200 for HJ's with one woman refusing. I received 2 massages from one woman, fingering her and rubbing her clit during the HJ. These sessions couldn't have been better. This woman was warm and playful which was a huge difference from the cold hookers in the pfp scene. I was completely satisfied with the Thai massages.

I found the "mood" in the pfp scene to be full of pros having bad attitudes with the majority being unattractive and overweight. These places had a professional feel, limited availability, and were not comfortable places to relax. There was very little "horny" in the eyes of the hookers in these places. I received strong eye contact (at night especially) from regular women that I couldn't communicate with while the hookers were not warm or horny. They acted as if the money was nothing when all I would have had to do was have decent Russian / Ukrainian and I would have done very well with the local non pfp women in the streets (especially K Street). Don't forget the average salary in Kiev is $300 usd / month. The hookers acted as if $80/$100 USD / HR was nothing. If the average salary was $3000 usd / month their attitudes might have been more tolerable. After talking with non pfp women at their jobs daily (who were working for measly sums) I found these hooker's attitudes to be intolerable.

I found it difficult to have private conversations, with other hookers surrounding me and listening in, which was uncomfortable. This setup (within the places) was the norm and not the exception. When I asked to have one minute to ask a question (and give them my rap) I felt awkward with the mood changing many times. A common response was "Why don't you take me to the room and we can talk there". At 2000+ uah per hour I wasn't planning on talking too much in the room and guessing whether a hooker was going to be nice in Kiev's cold / hardcore pro pfp scene. Don't forget Kiev's pfp scene was full of local women and not hookers on "business trips" from other countries. These attitudes from local hookers was an uncommon, unpleasant surprise.

When I mentioned BBBJ, I have never seen such abrupt responses. If the hookers were horny, unjaded, and not defensive they would have accepted BBBJ (in a second) from a guy like me. I was just a number to them. Don't forget there were nice looking women with good attitudes in the streets who would have loved to have a beer if I had better Ukrainian / Russian. I would have done better with Ukranian / Russian in Kiev than with my Spanish in any Latin Country IMSO. BTW I am 42 years old (look about 35), am well groomed, look decent, in good shape, and am a very social person. I have A level street game and my friends challenge me to talk to random women all of the time. These attributes were worth very little for pfp as the language barrier was significant and the hookers were too hardcore and jaded to be reachable.

I met a number of girlfriend quality women (at their jobs) who greeted me with smiling faces who were very open. These women told me about their lives and how their days were going each time I saw them. They weren't just going to hop into bed with me nor would I expect them too.

Speaking to taxi drivers and foreigners visiting, I was told the internet was hit or miss. Many fake profiles and hookers posting their best pictures which didn't reflect reality. I know something is there (especially considering the cost standpoint) when cutting out the middle man.

I do want to clarify that I was not on a PFP trip but was doing more of a social study of different places to live for months per year. Kiev fell short of expectations as there was less English than I expected as well as many other problems with the culture itself.

I want to add that I was thoroughly impressed reading the posts in Kiev's thread. I saw critical posts (without being jerks to one another) from many BM's expecting to see 2000+ posts next to the names. Instead I saw 20 to 200. Impressive fellas!

I hope you guys gained something from my report. I received my PFP info from ISG's threads. I know the owner of another site and posted this report over there so I figured I would post it here as well.

Good luck to all.

VJ

[TromsoMann]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.

[Jonathan Pine]

Kiev, Ukraine. A critical social study of the Culture.

I saw a strong sense of Envy and emptiness in the pretty women of Kiev. Not all women were this way (obviously) but it was in the mood of Kiev. As someone who has spent extensive time in Medellin, Colombia I know about this very well and saw a direct parallel. What is sad is the women in Kiev are much better educated than the women in Latin America. I found the men to be macho as a counter to the women. Too many Ukrainians are focused on what others have (and not wanting them to have it) instead of better themselves and working together. This hurts the inner fabric of a society and makes them less productive and friendly. I also want to add that the women in Kiev age terribly as I saw tons of hot 20 year olds and few hot 40 year old. I saw mothers and daughters walking together and they looked tremendously different. ...................

VJSuperb post, Jeff.

One of the best posts on the board. Regarding your observation about envy, there is an old Russian joke that goes something along the lines like this. "A genie grants some guy 3 wishes, asks him what he wants. Guy says a gold bar. Voila a gold bar appears! Guy's excited, says he now wants a mansion. Voila a mansion appears. Then the genie asks the guy for the third wish, but tells him that whatever he gets, his neighbor will get two. Then the guy says, "Well in this case, just poke one of my eye's out". This goes to show that there's a mentality that people would rather do something to the detriment of their self interest, rather than seeing other people become better off.

Yeah people age badly over there. 40 year old women already look so over the hill. They're kind of like flowers. They blossom early and beautifully. They also fade early. I guess it's kind of fair.

[Tuggar]

Hi,

I'm new on this site. I'm a 25 yo guy in Kiev right now. I'm alone here so if you want to meet for a beer or for a night out let me know!

I've arrived in Kiev a week ago and I'm impressed by the quality of women here. They are tall, thin, with model faces, toned legs and dressed sexy. Just go to Gulliver shopping center or to a random subway station and you'll see lots of hot girls. You'll be impressed trust me.

That being said, they don't look like they want to meet foreigners, especially the hottest ones unless you're willing to splash out some serious money.

Girls don't give lots of eye contact here in Kiev, I don't know why. Maybe they're shy, maybe I'm not attractive enough or maybe it's just the culture but I've found that during the day they tend to walk with their eyes looking straight ahead without looking at the men walking by, especially the hottest girls.

Ukrainian guys in Kiev aren't that bad. On average they aren't handsome but among the younger generation (18-25 yo) there are quite a lot of Ukrainian guys that look good and you'll see them paired up with the hottest chicks in Kiev. Moreover girls greatly prefer local guys rather than foreigners.

Before arriving in Kiev I read that girls here don't care about a man's look but I didn't find it to be true. It looks like that the hottest guys in Kiev are with the hottest girls. It's true, though, that money can somewhat compensate for a lack of look because you'll also see ugly, fat guys driving Porsche, range rovers, Bentley and Maserati with attractive girls.

Taxi drivers here will always try to rip you off, so download the Uklon app as soon as you arrive. Ordering from Uklon you'll pay the same as locals.

Few people speak English so be prepared for that. Being fluent in russian is a great advantage (I'm not) to meet girls.

Prices aren't that cheap. Rent prices for a nice apartment in city center (Arena City) are quite high, I'm paying 1000€ for 30 nights and it's one of the cheapest solutions I've found. Nightlife is also quite expensive considering we're in Ukraine.

To be honest I don't like Kiev very much, It seems to me that girls have no desire to meet foreigners. I'll head to Lvov soon and then to Odessa.

Good luck everybody.

[Horny American]

Well, whomever I talked to that day flat out lied as the Star Bar is closed.

I can understand the lie as its against their best interest to steer away business.

That being said, Hotel Lybid is still very cheap ($21 night free WIFI and breakfast included) and centrally located. It seems that just about all of the personnel here is completely new from my last trip. That's still OK as both the bartender and the doormen have girls just waiting on call and it's mostly like ordering a take out pizza. Say what you want and in 30 min it's there.

I've also been working on one of the waitresses from the restaurant which I think can happen and should be much more the "girl next door" type.


Thanks, I actually called and was told it was open. Hopefully that is true but if not I can always hit other bars etc and like I reported before the doormen at Hotel Lybid can easily arrange ladies as well. My hottest one was arranged that way and she was cheaper than the dancers as well.

[Riina]

To Tuggar and Vegas Jeff:

You guys are thinking to much with your assumptions and judgements. I prefer my brainless approach. The girls only want my money. The girls know I only want their pussy.

Now just go make it happen.

[Burn Notice]

I am more a contributor on the China forum. I'm based in Beijing.

I just drop by to let you know folks that we got some amazing, I should say stunning Ukrainian girls that arrived at Chocolates and Maggie's bar in Beijing last month.

They all live beside the LG Tower not far from Silk Market. During the day many of them are at the Starbucks in the area.

I picked up one girl very hot by all standard, blond blue eyes, fake boobs nice tan. She is from Kiev and she was telling me that her family and friends don't know she is a WG in Beijing.

,they think she got a marketing job and a rich boyfriend. She explained to me that she never work as a WG in Ukraine, she is too proud for that. Her friends told me the same story.

They started this job first in Dubai and now in Beijing. They are getting comfortable with and making very good money.

Now she is my regular every week. Because she work Saturday and she is busy non stop hotel after hotel until six in the morning. She show up around 6:00 and stay until Monday evening. Damage 3000 rmb per eek (around $450 US).

Be aware, if you come by, you might be able to get a taste of your favorite girls on tour! Oh by the way there is more in Shanghai apparently.

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[Jojosun]

QUOTE=Burn Notice;1917735]I am more a contributor on the China forum. I'm based in Beijing.

I just drop by to let you know folks that we got some amazing, I should say stunning Ukrainian girls that arrived at Chocolates and Maggie's bar in Beijing last month.

They all live beside the LG Tower not far from Silk Market. During the day many of them are at the Starbucks in the area.

I picked up one girl very hot by all standard, blond blue eyes, fake boobs nice tan. She is from Kiev and she was telling me that her family and friends don't know she is a WG in Beijing.

,they think she got a marketing job and a rich boyfriend. She explained to me that she never work as a WG in Ukraine, she is too proud for that. Her friends told me the same story.[/QUOTE]I used to go to Maggie's Bar (aka, Mongolian Embassy as it was the base for Mongollian girls) during the times I was in Beijing but I never met Caucasian girls there. You mean its now been overtaken by UA girls?

I also met few Russian girls who used to work in Beijing when they were on short holidays to catch some sun during the Winter in Sanya Bay and they told me it was also like a working holiday for them to escape the winter in Beijing.

There are also quite few UA Girls now working in Tokyo's hostess bars in The Roppongi district, also Russian girls not the hard hoes type and they all speak English. .

[LuisVega11]

Kiev, Ukraine. A critical social study of the Culture.

If you guys want to skip this, the PFP Trip Report is further down below. Just scroll down to find the beginning. I figured I would post this first as it reads better than the other way around.

The Good in Kiev.

I found Kiev to be a clean city (for the most part) with little pollution. The systems are advanced with a good level of technology, goods, and services. The cost of food and lodging I found to be very inexpensive. For example, I could buy a small 6-sliced personal pizza for $2.50 USD and a large can of beer (4%-5% alcohol) for less $1 USD at Dominos Pizza. Incredible! No wonder there are so many Ukrainians shit-faced drunk late at night LOL.

I stayed in a nice hotel for $40/ night USD. They had an intelligent, English speaking staff and a 24 hour restaurant. The hotel included free WiFi, a complimentary computer area, concierge, taxis, etc. A great value for sure. BTW I stayed at the Hotel Rus and I would recommend this hotel.

The infrastructure of Kiev was impressive. There were large sections of the Kiev that were from the pre 20th century and well preserved with beauty and elegance.

The systems of transportation I found to be efficient and cheap. Going underground to cross many roads was interesting. There was a second city (existing underground) with a metro and shops in certain areas of Kiev...Some good point but a lot of generalization.

- Zero team work? Look what they did in maiden. It was the results of super be teamwork.

- 40 years old ugly? Go to Gulliver and top notch arena and you see amazing 40 years old that look like 20 years in a beach in Miami. The problem most of 40 years old now are born in communist era. The new generation born after 1990 will be amazing till 50 probably due to the extensive care of body. I live in europe and while the 40 years old woman dress better and are more beautiful in face probably, body is no competition. I had a girlfriend of 34 years old with dress size that in western world only have girl.

- English is not known extensively but not so bad. And if they like you they will even chat with translator. Probably they didn't.

- in Ukraine and soviet world think less act more. Their world is completely different from you and me. You must accept all the controversy there are there. You won't change them. It's soviet union! Materialism is so strong now, woman are always considered sex object by men, they know both and so everything, especially for a foreigner, will be related to that. They want be happy you want pussy. Simply. The game is obtain the maximum with less effort.

- you overpay everything because you didn't study a lot. Taxi are expensive in the street, but expensive to where? 200 gryvna all in all are 8 euro. And for 89 euro where you go in your us city? Use uklon and be happier. Even prostitute you paid a lot especially for service.

In my opinion Kiev is not for you.

[LuisVega11]

To Tuggar and Vegas Jeff:

You guys are thinking to much with your assumptions and judgements. I prefer my brainless approach. The girls only want my money. The girls know I only want their pussy.

Now just go make it happen.I completely agree. It happens to me first weeks I arrive in Kiev. I will behave like in western country and so get nervous because all nonsense I experience in Kiev. Then after a bit I become behaving like them and am happy. These are the less cerebral person you will ever met. If they like you they will fuck you after 20 minutes in bar toilet. They are animal. With animal instinct. Try to make them think too much and you see their face change from happy to nervous. They don't like thinking at all. Most of them even at 30 act like child. Especially the more beautiful woman. They know most of them are object for sex pleasure of man. All they want is obtain the maximum.

Clearly there are also normal girl but again even normal in my opinion follow this path soon they discover it. They are all the same what is the difference is life experience, but DNA is the same for all girl.

[LuisVega11]

Hi,

I'm new on this site. I'm a 25 yo guy in Kiev right now. I'm alone here so if you want to meet for a beer or for a night out let me know!

I've arrived in Kiev a week ago and I'm impressed by the quality of women here. They are tall, thin, with model faces, toned legs and dressed sexy. Just go to Gulliver shopping center or to a random subway station and you'll see lots of hot girls. You'll be impressed trust me.

That being said, they don't look like they want to meet foreigners, especially the hottest ones unless you're willing to splash out some serious money.

Girls don't give lots of eye contact here in Kiev, I don't know why. Maybe they're shy, maybe I'm not attractive enough or maybe it's just the culture but I've found that during the day they tend to walk with their eyes looking straight ahead without looking at the men walking by, especially the hottest girls.

Ukrainian guys in Kiev aren't that bad. On average they aren't handsome but among the younger generation (18-25 yo) there are quite a lot of Ukrainian guys that look good and you'll see them paired up with the hottest chicks in Kiev..1000 euro for apartment in center 30 euro day is not a lot. Less you pay in Bangladesh probably. Rent long term you pay 500 euro.

Kiev is not third world especially Kiev.

In my opinion is you that cannot attract eye contact.

They want meet generous man. If you think they wait you cause you foreigner yes they not interested. They have plenty of hard young cock eager to fuck as you said. Go in Hydropark in Sunday. You will see every guy from 18 to 30 has 5% maximum of fat and testosterone to fill a swimming pool. If they want only hard bang why they will be interested in foreigner? Kiev game is obtain much with less money possible. Zero money means masturbation.

[Komnetkijken]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.I'll be in Kyiv from Thursday until Saturday morning (have a flight at 6 h). NO interest in a great sex party but we could hunt together on Friday (daytime / early evening). PM me if you want.

[Sorbonne]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.How long are you going to be in Kiev?

[Burn Notice]

I used to go to Maggie's Bar (aka, Mongolian Embassy as it was the base for Mongollian girls) during the times I was in Beijing but I never met Caucasian girls there. You mean its now been overtaken by UA girls?80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.

[Tuggar]

1000 euro for apartment in center 30 euro day is not a lot. Less you pay in Bangladesh probably. Rent long term you pay 500 euro.

Kiev is not third world especially Kiev.

In my opinion is you that cannot attract eye contact.

They want meet generous man. If you think they wait you cause you foreigner yes they not interested. They have plenty of hard young cock eager to fuck as you said. Go in Hydropark in Sunday. You will see every guy from 18 to 30 has 5% maximum of fat and testosterone to fill a swimming pool. If they want only hard bang why they will be interested in foreigner? Kiev game is obtain much with less money possible. Zero money means masturbation.Well, 1000€ for 26 nights in Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard is quite a lot for Ukraine's standard. I talked to lots of girls in Kiev and they said the average salary is around 250€. 1000€ is 4 months worth of salary. Quite a lot actually, these are foreigners prices you see on Airbnb and the like and I do believe I got scammed (and they agreed with me). One girl offered to find an apartment for me next time I'm in town and I'll let her do it.

Everybody should have a local person that arrange things for them otherwise we pay foreigners prices everywhere in Ukraine. Accommodation, taxi, clubs, escorts ecc.

Long term 500€ per month is a monster price (scam price) for Kiev.

There are a lot of students in Kiev that come from neighboring cities to attend university and of course they can't pay 500€ per month. This is the price students pay in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid ecc. Not Kiev.

All the prices listed on Airbnb, Booking, Dobovo ecc are scam. Have a local find an apartment for you and you'll laugh at those price.

And as for the rest, I agree that Kiev is not a third world country. Girls aren't stupid or different from every other girls. They either want a beautiful young guy or a rich guy.

In Kiev I see most hot girls paired with hot guys of the same age (you can spot them on every subway station, shopping center, main streets ecc). And sometimes (but less) you see some hot girls paired with a fat bald guy driving a very expensive car.

And despite the stereotypes there are lots of attractive guys (18-25) in Kiev, much more than in the rest of Ukraine.

[Jojosun]

80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.
80% of Maggies population is from Mongolia. UKR and Russian girls are mainly at Chocolates. They come to Maggies very late at night when Chocolate is slow (mainly Sunday to Tuesday) or they just did a customer from Chocolate and they are coming for a second round. Also you can find some at the atmosphere lounge (Shangri-La China Word summit tower).

Girls arrives between 11:00 and 11:30. Some guys wait outside with their luxury car and pick them up before they even step a foot in Chocolate.Thanks for the info. Of course when I am in Bejing mainly short stays, I go for hot Chinese girls or I head to Maggies to nail a Mongolian girl and I did on few visits as Mongolian girls are such a rarity in the west and I like their build.

A Chinese pimp used to turn up with 3 or 4 hot girls to choose from, his car parked on a side street outside Novotel hotel, not much of a buzz as hunting in a club but of course its cheaper.

[Volpone]

Well, 1000 for 26 nights in Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard is quite a lot for Ukraine's standard. I talked to lots of girls in Kiev and they said the average salary is around 250. 1000 is 4 months worth of salary. Quite a lot actually, these are foreigners prices you see on Airbnb and the like and I do believe I got scammed (and they agreed with me). One girl offered to find an apartment for me next time I'm in town and I'll let her do it.

Everybody should have a local person that arrange things for them otherwise we pay foreigners prices everywhere in Ukraine. Accommodation, taxi, clubs, escorts ecc.

Long term 500 per month is a monster price (scam price) for Kiev.

There are a lot of students in Kiev that come from neighboring cities to attend university and of course they can't pay 500 per month. This is the price students pay in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid ecc. Not Kiev.

All the prices listed on Airbnb, Booking, Dobovo ecc are scam. Have a local find an apartment for you and you'll laugh at those price.

And as for the rest, I agree that Kiev is not a third world country. Girls aren't stupid or different from every other girls. They either want a beautiful young guy or a rich guy.

In Kiev I see most hot girls paired with hot guys of the same age (you can spot them on every subway station, shopping center, main streets ecc). And sometimes (but less) you see some hot girls paired with a fat bald guy driving a very expensive car.

And despite the stereotypes there are lots of attractive guys (18-25) in Kiev, much more than in the rest of Ukraine.I paid for the taxi exactly like Ukrainians, I just call them and I got a sms with price. Escort, I used mamba, normal girls, I avoid the pros in Mamba that do everything with condoms and charge high price. I usually pay around 600-1250 UAH for one hour, it depends on the girl. And sometimes the hour is two and I still pay the same price. Furthermore we sometimes go having a lunch together, so we spend about 3-4 hours together.

I quite often have a business lunch and I give a tip of 5 UAH, like the Ukrainian do.

About apartment if you book on airbnb, an Ukrainian pay exactly the same price as you, because that's short term, for a few days, week or 1 month. If you take a lease for 6 months or 1 year, you can get the same price as Ukrainians, but you don't look on airbnb or dobovo for that kind of long term.

Well the students, they usually sleep in a dormitory or share a room with a friend. If they have more money, they might rent a bedroom for themself or a small apartment with a 12 months lease. By the way I avoid Clubs, too pricy for nothing or nearly nothing. You are new here, that's normal. Next time you will make it better. No need for locals. With them you will be ripped off, giving them all the time tips.

[Tuggar]

I paid for the taxi exactly like Ukrainians, I just call them and I got a sms with price. Escort, I used mamba, normal girls, I avoid the pros in Mamba that do everything with condoms and charge high price. I usually pay around 600-1250 UAH for one hour, it depends on the girl. And sometimes the hour is two and I still pay the same price. Furthermore we sometimes go having a lunch together, so we spend about 3-4 hours together.

I quite often have a business lunch and I give a tip of 5 UAH, like the Ukrainian do.

About apartment if you book on airbnb, an Ukrainian pay exactly the same price as you, because that's short term, for a few days, week or 1 month. If you take a lease for 6 months or 1 year, you can get the same price as Ukrainians, but you don't look on airbnb or dobovo for that kind of long term.

Well the students, they usually sleep in a dormitory or share a room with a friend. If they have more money, they might rent a bedroom for themselves or a small apartment with a 12 months lease. By the way I avoid Clubs, too pricy for nothing or nearly nothing. You are new here, that's normal. Next time you will make it better. No need for locals. With them you will be ripped off, giving them all the time tips...Well, the girl I talked to said she can easily get me an apartment (new) in Podol for 300€ per month. You don't get those prices on Airbnb, if you're lucky you get a 15/20% off of their listings for long term stays. Unless you rent ugly apartments.

I agree with the taxis but you have to use Uklon or some other apps, otherwise you pay foreigner prices (IE scam prices).

Escorts in Kiev don't cost that low, unless you bang really ugly girls. Girls in Kiev aren't stupid. The really top girls (pro) in Kiev get a Ferrari / Porsche / Mercedes, expensive clothes and whatever else they want. They have a sponsor. They'll laugh at you if you give them 1000 grivnia. You can spot them driving around Kiev in Bentley, Range Rovers, Porsche ecc and if you take attention you'll see that often those kind of luxury cars are driven by females.

Then there are the escorts that go to expensive clubs. They ask from 100€ to 500€. They're pretty but a level below the ones I said above. If you haggle a little bit you can lower their prices but not too much.

Then all the rest but for 1000 grivnia you bang the leftovers of Kiev. You can bang those girls without paying.

[KareteKid90]

Hello,

Tell me somewhere in city center which is escort friendly? I prefer an apartment.

Thanks,

Kid

[KareteKid90]

How long are you going to be in Kiev?Hey,

Please give me advice for where to stay in city center, prefer to stay in city center, of course it must be escort-friendly place.

Thanks.

[Volpone]

Well, the girl I talked to said she can easily get me an apartment (new) in Podol for 300 per month. You don't get those prices on Airbnb, if you're lucky you get a 15/20% off of their listings for long term stays. Unless you rent ugly apartments.

I agree with the taxis but you have to use Uklon or some other apps, otherwise you pay foreigner prices (IE scam prices).

Escorts in Kiev don't cost that low, unless you bang really ugly girls. Girls in Kiev aren't stupid. The really top girls (pro) in Kiev get a Ferrari / Porsche / Mercedes, expensive clothes and whatever else they want. They have a sponsor. They'll laugh at you if you give them 1000 grivnia. You can spot them driving around Kiev in Bentley, Range Rovers, Porsche ecc and if you take attention you'll see that often those kind of luxury cars are driven by females.

Then there are the escorts that go to expensive clubs. They ask from 100 to 500. They're pretty but a level below the ones I said above. If you haggle a little bit you can lower their prices but not too much.

Then all the rest but for 1000 grivnia you bang the leftovers of Kiev. You can bang those girls without paying.Tuggar, in Kiev, you need experience or hard work.

I don't have escort anymore, I just use mamba. And my 1000 UAH girls are not ugly. They are not top notch chicks, but they look good to me and I enjoy their nice body and to talk with them. Most of them only speak Russian, so we spoke in Russian together.

Your girls were right about the price of 300 Euros for a NEW apartment in Podol, but that's the price for a 12 months lease. Nobody can get that price just for one month. I am in a new apartment now, far from the center and I pay 300 Euros for 20 days. So for the month would be around 400-450 Euros. Last year I paid with dobovo less than 400 Euros for an old soviet style apartment with dobovo. And a really nice one in Klovska near Boulevard Lesi, I paid 550 Euros for the month. I had luck with these 2 apartments. I just rent it at the right time. Now the nice one in Klovska at 550 Euros is around 800 Euros.

Taxi in the streets try to trick everyone not only foreigners. I experienced that with my Ukrainian girlfriend, but as she could speak the language perfectly, she was able to get the price down. However it didn't work every time. You will do better the next time, just have to learn it.

[Cosmox]

Hello,

I will visit Kiev next week. Some standards question. Please recommend.

- actual escort services / experience (specific girls?

- apartments to rent in central city where I can invite the girl.

- nice bars to make fun.

- Any other stupid / funny suggestions.

Thanks a lot!

[LuisVega11]

Well, 1000 for 26 nights in Lesi Ukrainky Boulevard is quite a lot for Ukraine's standard. I talked to lots of girls in Kiev and they said the average salary is around 250. 1000 is 4 months worth of salary. Quite a lot actually, these are foreigners prices you see on Airbnb and the like and I do believe I got scammed (and they agreed with me). One girl offered to find an apartment for me next time I'm in town and I'll let her do it.

Everybody should have a local person that arrange things for them otherwise we pay foreigners prices everywhere in Ukraine. Accommodation, taxi, clubs, escorts ecc.

Long term 500 per month is a monster price (scam price) for Kiev.

There are a lot of students in Kiev that come from neighboring cities to attend university and of course they can't pay 500 per month. This is the price students pay in Paris, Berlin, Rome, Barcelona, Madrid ecc. Not Kiev.

All the prices listed on Airbnb, Booking, Dobovo ecc are scam. Have a local find an apartment for you and you'll laugh at those price.

And as for the rest, I agree that Kiev is not a third world country. Girls aren't stupid or different from every other girls. They either want a beautiful young guy or a rich guy.

In Kiev I see most hot girls paired with hot guys of the same age (you can spot them on every subway station, shopping center, main streets ecc). And sometimes (but less) you see some hot girls paired with a fat bald guy driving a very expensive car.

And despite the stereotypes there are lots of attractive guys (18-25) in Kiev, much more than in the rest of Ukraine.You are talking oranges and apples.

1000 is taking a modern apartment in center paying daily. If you pay month with contract you pay less. 600 for a modern apartment in center.

Student in Kiev sleep in dormitory 99% of time. Your post is full of nonsense.

You can even pay 200 dollar for a soviet apartment 30 minutes from center and what?

You can pay 200 gryvna for a blow job in car near high way. And what?

1000 gryvna nowadays buy you normal girl, and you know? I pay 500 for normal girl but I won't say they are pretty or else.

Quality in Kiev cost, apart some few lucky cases you won't find a stunners for less than 2000 hour, if you are not very interesting or live long term in Kiev, then you can even fuck without money upfront, but still you need.

Spending money in dinner and all.

If you are happy with normal girls it's good. I also fuck them sometimes but I won't even talk about them. I won't certainly go Kiev only to fuck a 5 or 6 for 1000 gryvna.

Reading this forum confirm the feeling I have always in Kiev. Any foreigner actually, apart some expat living there, is fucking concisely goo quality girl. Most only fuck girl that most Ukrainian won't even consider.

[LuisVega11]

Well, the girl I talked to said she can easily get me an apartment (new) in Podol for 300 per month. You don't get those prices on Airbnb, if you're lucky you get a 15/20% off of their listings for long term stays. Unless you rent ugly apartments.

I agree with the taxis but you have to use Uklon or some other apps, otherwise you pay foreigner prices (IE scam prices).

Escorts in Kiev don't cost that low, unless you bang really ugly girls. Girls in Kiev aren't stupid. The really top girls (pro) in Kiev get a Ferrari / Porsche / Mercedes, expensive clothes and whatever else they want. They have a sponsor. They'll laugh at you if you give them 1000 grivnia. You can spot them driving around Kiev in Bentley, Range Rovers, Porsche ecc and if you take attention you'll see that often those kind of luxury cars are driven by females.

Then there are the escorts that go to expensive clubs. They ask from 100 to 500. They're pretty but a level below the ones I said above. If you haggle a little bit you can lower their prices but not too much.

Then all the rest but for 1000 grivnia you bang the leftovers of Kiev. You can bang those girls without paying.There is apartment and apartment. Sure you can pay 300 euro, then send photo of that hole. Price in center in Kiev are high due to the overflow of medium class and rich people from east.

You can go far from center up to you.

You can fuck normal girl also up to you life is so different from everybody.

In Kiev for fuck and good life needs good money. Those who stroll around with nice chicks spend money the other stroll with low quality chicks.

[Tuggar]

Tuggar, in Kiev, you need experience or hard work.

I don't have escort anymore, I just use mamba. And my 1000 UAH girls are not ugly. They are not top notch chicks, but they look good to me and I enjoy their nice body and to talk with them. Most of them only speak Russian, so we spoke in Russian together.

Your girls were right about the price of 300 Euros for a NEW apartment in Podol, but that's the price for a 12 months lease. Nobody can get that price just for one month. I am in a new apartment now, far from the center and I pay 300 Euros for 20 days. So for the month would be around 400-450 Euros. Last year I paid with dobovo less than 400 Euros for an old soviet style apartment with dobovo. And a really nice one in Klovska near Boulevard Lesi, I paid 550 Euros for the month. I had luck with these 2 apartments. I just rent it at the right time. Now the nice one in Klovska at 550 Euros is around 800 Euros.

Taxi in the streets try to trick everyone not only foreigners. I experienced that with my Ukrainian girlfriend, but as she could speak the language perfectly, she was able to get the price down. However it didn't work every time. You will do better the next time, just have to learn it.Yes, but we don't need a luxurious apartment in Kiev or one right in the city center. Kiev is a very safe city. I walked around alone even at 3 am far from the city center without any problem at all. Just avoid drunk people and don't look around. So I prefer to get a nice apartment (but not a luxurious one) a bit outside the center for 300/400€, than to get a luxurious one at Arena city for 1000+€ per month.

I don't know if the 300€ per month apartment is for the 12 months lease or for just one month, she told me she can get me that apartment paying just 300€.

Taxi drivers are scumbag here, I agree. You need to haggle with them every time, they see foreigners as walking ATM and they always try to scam them. I always use Uklon to get an idea of the price for the route I'm taking and then I haggle with the taxi driver. For example if the fare is 70 grivnia and he asks me to pay 300 grivnia, I tell him that either he accepts 100 grivnia or I book a taxi with Uklon and he takes nothing. Sometimes it works, sometimes he's unmovable.

A for the girls, I can't judge. Of course quality is subjective but for me really hot girls in Kiev are more expensive or as expensive than western girls. I remember two years ago hot girls in Monaco (Montecarlo) asking 500€ for sex. In Kiev in the top clubs they ask the same prices.

[Tuggar]

There is apartment and apartment. Sure you can pay 300 euro, then send photo of that hole. Price in center in Kiev are high due to the overflow of medium class and rich people from east.

You can go far from center up to you.

You can fuck normal girl also up to you life is so different from everybody.

In Kiev for fuck and good life needs good money. Those who stroll around with nice chicks spend money the other stroll with low quality chicks.Man,

Rich people usually don't rent, they buy. A rich guy can easily afford to but a property in Kiev since it's not that expensive for them.

And as for girls, let's be honest. Kiev is no different than any other city in the world. You see the hottest young girls often paired up with the most good looking guys in Kiev. Just go to Gulliver shopping center and see it yourself.

Not every girl is on sale in Kiev, quite the opposite. Telling people they just need money to get the hottest girls in Kiev is quite far from the truth.

You can definitely get a good looking girls sponsoring her, but looks is very important even here in Kiev. So good luck finding a nice hot girls in Kiev if you're ugly or way above her age. They only solution is to pay.

[El Cubanito]

Man,

Rich people usually don't rent, they buy. A rich guy can easily afford to but a property in Kiev since it's not that expensive for them.

And as for girls, let's be honest. Kiev is no different than any other city in the world. You see the hottest young girls often paired up with the most good looking guys in Kiev. Just go to Gulliver shopping center and see it yourself.

Not every girl is on sale in Kiev, quite the opposite. Telling people they just need money to get the hottest girls in Kiev is quite far from the truth.

You can definitely get a good looking girls sponsoring her, but looks is very important even here in Kiev. So good luck finding a nice hot girls in Kiev if you're ugly or way above her age. They only solution is to pay.Ukraine is like any other place that I have been to, its all about how much game you have and how hard you can deliver Willie Home. Girls want to be romance and treated as Queen that is the whole secret to getting laid.

[Xwhocaresx]

Some suggestion. I think it is unrealistic to find somebody right in the center or its rather luck (maybe depends on the looks). These are more the places to show off; for the rich folks there. Kiev in my option, either you belong the elite or not. And chances to getting to know somebody there might be far less, then around. Kiev is a large city.

While on it; somebody in Kiev this month? Best with some language skills.

[YellowPaul]

Man,

Rich people usually don't rent, they buy. A rich guy can easily afford to but a property in Kiev since it's not that expensive for them.

And as for girls, let's be honest. Kiev is no different than any other city in the world. You see the hottest young girls often paired up with the most good looking guys in Kiev. Just go to Gulliver shopping center and see it yourself.

Not every girl is on sale in Kiev, quite the opposite. Telling people they just need money to get the hottest girls in Kiev is quite far from the truth.

You can definitely get a good looking girls sponsoring her, but looks is very important even here in Kiev. So good luck finding a nice hot girls in Kiev if you're ugly or way above her age. They only solution is to pay.

This what it come down too. How much unpaid sex do you get in your home country?

If you can get 7-8's at home there is no need to fly to Ukraine, stay home.

If you get nothing at home you will get 5-7's that want relationships but that is still better getting nothing back home.

Show me a country in the world the 9's are dating down?

Re-calibrate your game or your expectations. Instagram world that we live in. True before looks did not matter so much as they do now plus add the language and maybe race issues.

Straight is P4 P is the best option for mongers where age or appearance is paramount.

[Global Surfer]

This what it come down too. How much unpaid sex do you get in your home country?

If you can get 7-8's at home there is no need to fly to Ukraine, stay home.

If you get nothing at home you will get 5-7's that want relationships but that is still better getting nothing back home.

Show me a country in the world the 9's are dating down?

Re-calibrate your game or your expectations. Instagram world that we live in. True before looks did not matter so much as they do now plus add the language and maybe race issues.

Straight is P4 P is the best option for mongers where age or appearance is paramount.I think the proportion of girls involved in P4 P in whole of Eastern Europe is higher than in Western Europe. According to MET only 4% p4 p in London are British.

Ukrainian girls are beautiful for people who like slim white and possibly tall girls. Lot of people die for Pinay or Latinas.

It is true that you may not always get 9's+ in relationship but in relationship I expect relationship more than sex.

I think Pauls statement is true for mongers like who are 50 plus and have no more than 6-8 hours free for mongering the only option is p4 p.

Also note that in our home country many times we pay for her to leave. Affair can cost you your job at the minimum or possibly even marriage.

In my opinion EE girls are great as they give great GFE (not all of them many would disagree with me. But this is my experience).

[DanielJourney]

Hello,

Hope you all are doing fine. I will be visiting Kiev from the 12th of August. I will be there alone so that's a bit of a drag. I have this idea of gathering 4-8 girls / women and arrange a great sexparty while I'm visiting Ukraine again. It would be great to find someone who is interested in this as well, then rent some great place, sauna or similar where we could organize this party? Let me know if you are up for it.

If you just want to hit the town together, that's fine as well.So apologies in advance as I learn the rules.

Anyway. I will be in Kiev from August 11 - for a week or so. Would also like to join sex party if it is really a realistic option. Or just exchange notes.

But mainly I plan on going to the erotic massage places, which look to be a great value.

[Gaolegao366]

It has been a old discussion. Overall, where is the better city for mongering and not get ripped off easily, Kir or Moscow. I saw YouTube videos about Kiev and think that Moscow would be more classy. For all the comment I read in this forum in the last half year, so many people complaining about not getting hot girls and get ripped of.

[CallSign Papa]

It has been a old discussion. Overall, where is the better city for mongering and not get ripped off easily, Kir or Moscow. I saw YouTube videos about Kiev and think that Moscow would be more classy. For all the comment I read in this forum in the last half year, so many people complaining about not getting hot girls and get ripped of.I think these days it's certainly a tougher place to visit for the newbie. If you have a good contact network there, or know how the place works (where to go etc) then it's not really changed to much in the last 5 years. Can't comment on Moscow.

[Schauer]

I have become acquainted with a girl from Dnipropetrovsk. It turns out she has an interesting phone book: Some of her girlfriends are willing to meet on a nonprofessional basis. Personally I have met only herself so far. Her name is Darina. Should somebody be interested, I can give her number in personal message. Confidentiality is of the essence. As I understand, meetings are possible in Dnipropetrovsk, Kiev and Odessa, later, after contact has been established, also internationally.

[C Jack Sparrow]

They first try to scam you on Internet.

They go to all fancy places to earn as much as possible as quick as possible.

Etc.

They want to belong to the local elite.

Russian & Ukraine consider their culture and girls being Superior to the West.

They don't want to live in the west as considered being bought for Euros or Dollars by a "old fat rich man".

They can do it for getting then the citizenship. Make money, and them come home, to be part of the elite at home.

Colombian, Brazilian, Mexican, Thai or Philipinas don't care, they build up their own expat communities and or adopt to the new countries cultural.

Russian & Ukraine girls are in general not so beautiful. They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.

Bad climate 7-8 months, few English speaking persons, Vodka aggressive males.

Much is a myth. Both the girls and the countries.

[Riina]

They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.

I don't agree with your entire post, but the cohort in central Kiev has undoubtedly diminished into something average in the last five years. That, with the decline of hookers, brings me to doubt the cities future as a fun place to visit.

[CallSign Papa]

Much is a myth. Both the girls and the countries.Have you ever actually been to Kiev? Doesn't sound anything like my experience. Stick to Medellin maybe, I'll happily take on your share of long-limbed devs.

[Cosmox]

I am in Kiev now and look for;

- escort service that I can trust (website name please).

- good experience escort.

- people to drink a beer with.

I stay in center, ciao!

[Komnetkijken]

I am in Kiev now and look for;

- escort service that I can trust (website name please).

- good experience escort.

- people to drink a beer with.

I stay in center, ciao!Escort service you can trust is gia. La for sure. I have experience with them. They're expensive but good. Just pick what you want and you'll enjoy probably.

[Russel4339]

Russian & Ukraine girls are in general not so beautiful. They have a bigger part of cohort that is sexy, tall, beautiful, but still the majority is as average that in most countries.
I have to disagree. I have been many, many places in the world, and I think the Ukrainian women are above average. It is two things that make them this way. They are typically thin and they typically have excellent complexions. They have smaller breasts than a lot of other countries, but also comes from being thin. (I also think that Kiev, on average, has girls who carry more weight than the rest of the Ukraine. Not sure if it is simply because it is a more prosperous town).

They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).

[Riina]

They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).No place on planet where girl measure her worth by beauty then in Ukraine.

[Volpone]

I have to disagree. I have been many, many places in the world, and I think the Ukrainian women are above average. It is two things that make them this way. They are typically thin and they typically have excellent complexions. They have smaller breasts than a lot of other countries, but also comes from being thin. (I also think that Kiev, on average, has girls who carry more weight than the rest of the Ukraine. Not sure if it is simply because it is a more prosperous town).

They also tend to care about their looks more than other places in Europe. They also tend to be cleaner, in general (my opinion, anyway).Not only Ukraine. It's like that in all Ex-Eastern European countries. I was impressed in Bulgaria, how pretty they are. I saw many pretty girls in Poland and in some other Eastern Europe countries. They just try to look more feminine than in Western Europe. You can also see sometimes very badly dressed girls in Kiev. And fat girls are more and more usual now than before. So no need to come to Kiev to see many pretty girls that take care of themselves. All other East European countries are worth for that.

[Michi T]

No place on planet where girl measure her worth by beauty then in Ukraine.Kiev? Bahhh.

If you like Ukraine, then I suggest visiting some other places, such as Doezk, Lviv, Odessa etc. There are at least same beautiful girls as in Kiev but more realistic and open for relationship of any kind.

[Jojosun]

Of course its all a matter of opinion as Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or in many cases The Beerholder.

I've been to most countries in EE starting with a slightly higher end backpacking trips there (a long gap year) in 1989/90 before the Berlin wall came down taking advantage of the Black Market rates for the $$ and the very cheap prices in those years. Never got to do Ukraine at the time, in fact I never heard of it before.

Started going to Ukraine in 2009 and from what I've seen The UA girls are in the top league of EE Girls of the countries in EE I've been to followed by Polish girls. I can't comment on the European part of Russia say SP, Moscow.

As for Bulgaria, yes I've seen many beauties there in the summer but they they were young Scandinavian girls on holiday in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands. Same thing in Mamaia Romania.

[Sorbonne]

Of course its all a matter of opinion as Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder or in many cases The Beerholder.

I've been to most countries in EE starting with a slightly higher end backpacking trips there (a long gap year) in 1989/90 before the Berlin wall came down taking advantage of the Black Market rates for the $$ and the very cheap prices in those years. Never got to do Ukraine at the time, in fact I never heard of it before.

Started going to Ukraine in 2009 and from what I've seen The UA girls are in the top league of EE Girls of the countries in EE I've been to followed by Polish girls. I can't comment on the European part of Russia say SP, Moscow.

As for Bulgaria, yes I've seen many beauties there in the summer but they they were young Scandinavian girls on holiday in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands. Same thing in Mamaia Romania.

OMG. Topless Scandi girls at Sunny Beach in Bulgaria. It's been 12 years since I witnessed them to my disbelief, and sometimes I wonder why I don't go there every summer.

Also, if Bukovina in Ukraine is the cheapest ski resort I've ever been to, Sunny Beach is the cheapest beach resort I've ever been.

On the other hand, I don't think I saw any Scandi girls at Mamaia in Romania in the same year.

[Jojosun]

OMG. Topless Scandi girls at Sunny Beach in Bulgaria. It's been 12 years since I witnessed them to my disbelief, and sometimes I wonder why I don't go there every summer.

Also, if Bukovina in Ukraine is the cheapest ski resort I've ever been to, Sunny Beach is the cheapest beach resort I've ever been.

On the other hand, I don't think I saw any Scandi girls at Mamaia in Romania in the same year.I know what you mean about Scandi girls (some of the best looking in the world) . No doubt Bulgaria being one of the cheapest destinations in Europe and in fact the world also helps.

Link here for 2016 as well https://www.skyscanner.net/news/10-worlds 12 of the world's cheapest holiday destinations for 2016 . It also includes Hungary. .

That said, Bulgarian hoes aren't that great looking nor cheap from what I've seen and did in Sunny Beach and Golden Sands also at the brothels of Varna. All the hoes in the beach resorts were working for Pimps.

[Horny American]

I see so much off topic postings lately. Guys arguing about ratings and prices and acting like this is all about "dating and relationships" when it is supposed to be all about getting laid. Preferably by a hottie at a good price.

I just spent two weeks in Kiev and I was able to score a dozen (yes that is 12) times quite easily. I met five ladies off Mamba and easily could've met more. All I did was activate the location part of the app so that they could see that I was local and not in the USA. After that I searched the near and active sections to see the ones that showed up. I winked at a few that caught my eye as not only being pretty but likely real since they had multiple pics up etc. I was also winked at and messaged by over a dozen ladies since they saw on my profile that I was not only local but active and looking for sex and was willing to be a sponsor. This was literally so easy that I'm surprised more guys don't talk about Mamba success.

Hannah was a 19 yo pretty brunette with a nice body. We negotiated for $100 which was for a 2 to 3 HR date with multiple pops. Met her in the hotel bar, had a few drinks and went upstairs. The doorman did make me register her as a guest but it was simply writing my name down and signing a paper. Easy and discrete. She was a little bit business like at first but settled down and we played for 2 hrs and I had 3 pops. A big plus is that she knows English as well.

My favorite mamba girl was easily "Sweety" though. A 24 yo very pretty brunette with a very nice all natural body (no tattoos or implants which is rare here in the USA). Here in the states she could easily be $300 plus per hour with only 1 pop. She asked for just $60 for our 3 HR date. Again it was drinks in the bar first, then register her to go upstairs, then we actually played for almost 4 hrs with me getting 4 pops in. If she didn't have to work in the morning she would've stayed all night. I saw her 3 times during my stay and if I could've brought her home with me I would've done so in a heartbeat.

I was lucky that "Sweety" contacted me, since her profile does not say that she speaks English (fluent English too) and it does not say that she is looking for a sponsor so I didn't even see her profile when I searched. She does that to try and stay low profile which is a bit weird since she uses her real pics and has like 25 of them up.

Marina was a 32 yo brunette with some English skills as well. She was much more business like than the others and was simply straight up to the room, strip down BBBJ to completion with swallow then a short break. Another BJ to get me ready, threw on a condom before she rode me for another pop. Not bad at all for the rates $60 for one hour but much more mechanical than rest.

Elli was a 27 yo pretty blond with a nice body as well. A tiny bit of English and a bit of a prima donna attitude. Had to plan our date in advance and she negotiated $100 but since I do like blonds I did agree to it. Again, quick drink downstairs then upstairs for just under 2 hrs of action. She wanted it to be a CBJ at first but I refused and she was OK at it but nothing special. I did enjoy her from behind though.

Note: all of the girls expected me to have the condoms (which I did) and none of them even asked for any money at all until they were leaving. Even then it was me offering it to them and not them asking for it. I think the drinks in the bar and small talk etc is what helped the dates to go so smoothly.

Majya was a 23 yo pretty brunette that asked for $500 for a date which I laughed at. She claims that she often gets that rate and once she got $10,000 but that is nowhere close to my range. Also a warning, I was contacted by not one but two "ladyboys" which I obviously turned down. I'm saying watch it because their profiles had pictures that made it tough to see that they were not women.

I also went to the Rio one night and came back with Zyukra (sounded like zoo kra if I spelled it wrong) which was OK but obviously more expensive than the Mamba girls. The bartender Victor and one of the doormen also arranged girls for me during my stay but the Mamba girls were all in all better dates at lower rates.

Sweety is awesome and if you get the chance to see her JUMP at it. You will not regret it. All of my evenings were her were fabulous. I tried to upload more pics of Sweety but they kept getting turned down.

[InsomniacTales]

Spot on about the hygiene. Since returning from my trips to EE it struck me how filthy Western girls really are. Even the Russian and Polish girls who come to London adopt the Western woman disdain for washing and makeup and soon start to hang out with dirty feet and no make up. With a Saturday night French date in London last week and I just couldn't persuade the girl to shower. The French seem to hate water and soap. EE, Ukrainian, Russian and Thai and other far Eastern girls all seem to care about how they look and smell.


Not only Ukraine. It's like that in all Ex-Eastern European countries. I was impressed in Bulgaria, how pretty they are. I saw many pretty girls in Poland and in some other Eastern Europe countries. They just try to look more feminine than in Western Europe. You can also see sometimes very badly dressed girls in Kiev. And fat girls are more and more usual now than before. So no need to come to Kiev to see many pretty girls that take care of themselves. All other East European countries are worth for that..

[Volpone]

I see so much off topic postings lately. Guys arguing about ratings and prices and acting like this is all about "dating and relationships" when it is supposed to be all about getting laid. Preferably by a hottie at a good price.

I just spent two weeks in Kiev and I was able to score a dozen (yes that is 12) times quite easily. I met five ladies off Mamba and easily could've met more. All I did was activate the location part of the app so that they could see that I was local and not in the USA. After that I searched the near and active sections to see the ones that showed up. I winked at a few that caught my eye as not only being pretty but likely real since they had multiple pics up etc. I was also winked at and messaged by over a dozen ladies since they saw on my profile that I was not only local but active and looking for sex and was willing to be a sponsor. This was literally so easy that I'm surprised more guys don't talk about Mamba success.

Hannah was a 19 yo pretty brunette with a nice body. We negotiated for $100 which was for a 2 to 3 HR date with multiple pops. Met her in the hotel bar, had a few drinks and went upstairs. The doorman did make me register her as a guest but it was simply writing my name down and signing a paper. Easy and discrete. She was a little bit business like at first but settled down and we played for 2 hrs and I had 3 pops. A big plus is that she knows English as well.

My favorite mamba girl was easily "Sweety" though. A 24 yo very pretty brunette with a very nice all natural body (no tattoos or implants which is rare here in the USA). Here in the states she could easily be $300 plus per hour with only 1 pop. She asked for just $60 for our 3 HR date. Again it was drinks in the bar first, then register her to go upstairs, then we actually played for almost 4 hrs with me getting 4 pops in. If she didn't have to work in the morning she would've stayed all night. I saw her 3 times during my stay and if I could've brought her home with me I would've done so in a heartbeat.

I was lucky that "Sweety" contacted me, since her profile does not say that she speaks English (fluent English too) and it does not say that she is looking for a sponsor so I didn't even see her profile when I searched. She does that to try and stay low profile which is a bit weird since she uses her real pics and has like 25 of them up.

Marina was a 32 yo brunette with some English skills as well. She was much more business like than the others and was simply straight up to the room, strip down BBBJ to completion with swallow then a short break. Another BJ to get me ready, threw on a condom before she rode me for another pop. Not bad at all for the rates $60 for one hour but much more mechanical than rest.

Elli was a 27 yo pretty blond with a nice body as well. A tiny bit of English and a bit of a prima donna attitude. Had to plan our date in advance and she negotiated $100 but since I do like blonds I did agree to it. Again, quick drink downstairs then upstairs for just under 2 hrs of action. She wanted it to be a CBJ at first but I refused and she was OK at it but nothing special. I did enjoy her from behind though.

Note: all of the girls expected me to have the condoms (which I did) and none of them even asked for any money at all until they were leaving. Even then it was me offering it to them and not them asking for it. I think the drinks in the bar and small talk etc is what helped the dates to go so smoothly.

Majya was a 23 yo pretty brunette that asked for $500 for a date which I laughed at. She claims that she often gets that rate and once she got $10,000 but that is nowhere close to my range. Also a warning, I was contacted by not one but two "ladyboys" which I obviously turned down. I'm saying watch it because their profiles had pictures that made it tough to see that they were not women.

I also went to the Rio one night and came back with Zyukra (sounded like zoo kra if I spelled it wrong) which was OK but obviously more expensive than the Mamba girls. The bartender Victor and one of the doormen also arranged girls for me during my stay but the Mamba girls were all in all better dates at lower rates.

Sweety is awesome and if you get the chance to see her JUMP at it. You will not regret it. All of my evenings were her were fabulous. I tried to upload more pics of Sweety but they kept getting turned down.Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.

[Horny American]

Well, I work hard for my money and very seldom overpay. As for looks, I'm an average looking 49 yo guy so no advantage there. I am nice, polite and treat women well so that might help etc. Like I was saying about "Sweety", she made our dates seem like we were a couple and not a pay for play situation at all. She is very pretty, she is in pretty good shape too but she seemed shy about it for some silly reason. She was also great in bed too. Again, her profile doesn't mention anything at all about a sponsor so she is definitely trying to protect her reputation. I will see her again upon my return visits.

I did notice that on week nights the ladies asked for less money and on Friday and Saturday nights they asked for more. I did not have any problems with women turning me down due to me being a foreigner, I did turn down a few girls because they didn't speak English at all but most that contacted me knew at least enough to get by. I was just looking to avoid the awkward silences or me making them mad by mistake if we couldn't communicate.

There were a lot of fake profiles, but also a lot of real ones as well. I found Mamba easy to use and most of the girls very affordable.


Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.

[Alex7J]

I see so much off topic postings lately. Guys arguing about ratings and prices and acting like this is all about "dating and relationships" when it is supposed to be all about getting laid. Preferably by a hottie at a good price.

I just spent two weeks in Kiev and I was able to score a dozen (yes that is 12) times quite easily. I met five ladies off Mamba and easily could've met more. All I did was activate the location part of the app so that they could see that I was local and not in the USA. After that I searched the near and active sections to see the ones that showed up. I winked at a few that caught my eye as not only being pretty but likely real since they had multiple pics up etc. I was also winked at and messaged by over a dozen ladies since they saw on my profile that I was not only local but active and looking for sex and was willing to be a sponsor. This was literally so easy that I'm surprised more guys don't talk about Mamba success.

Sweety is awesome and if you get the chance to see her JUMP at it. You will not regret it. All of my evenings were her were fabulous. I tried to upload more pics of Sweety but they kept getting turned down.Nice FR: HA: Very encouraging for newbies who want to go Kiev only for mongering.

Cheers and thanks man.

[Riina]

Mamba was absolutely terrible on my last trip in May. Nothing but hags driven to your apartment by their significant other. The young and hot are looking for locals to maintain them. They are not interested in meeting random tourists off Mamba. If you really believe a nineteen year old independent will come to your apartment without knowing you, I have some very nice swamp land to sell you in Florida.

[Misterxxx]

Mamba was absolutely terrible on my last trip in May. Nothing but hags driven to your apartment by their significant other. The young and hot are looking for locals to maintain them. They are not interested in meeting random tourists off Mamba. If you really believe a nineteen year old independent will come to your apartment without knowing you, I have some very nice swamp land to sell you in Florida.Sometimes it seems to me that some people write "fake" reports. Just to impress other people. Or to lure them to Kiev. Or their "perfect 10" is just a "5" in my eyes. Normally it's absolutely impossible to have such a success as a newbie. Kiev is full with sex-tourists during the summer season. But the number of girls is lower. Many of them are on holidays (in foreign countries or at the sea).

[Horny American]

Well, I am not a liar, and I didn't have an apartment I stayed in Hotel Lybid again. Stop it with the Mr Know It All Crap. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't make you the expert on mamba. Hannah is a cute 19 yo brunette and "Sweety" is a very pretty 24 yo and yes they cam to me without knowing me prior. Sounds like the problems you have are just that your problems!


Mamba was absolutely terrible on my last trip in May. Nothing but hags driven to your apartment by their significant other. The young and hot are looking for locals to maintain them. They are not interested in meeting random tourists off Mamba. If you really believe a nineteen year old independent will come to your apartment without knowing you, I have some very nice swamp land to sell you in Florida.
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[Stevie69]

Yes, they know their international value, but how many of those thousands of admirers will actually come to Kiev? They have to take what they can when they can.


I am afraid that "thanks to" the social networks and their thousand of thirsty admirers worlwide, those pretty Ukrainian girls know perfectly well their market value now, notwithstanding the current very poor economical situation of the country.

[Stevie69]

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

I agree. Too much complaining. Sure, things are not like they used to be. They never are. Anywhere! The good old days are gone, but in 10 years THESE will be the good old days.

I did not life a May report because everything I previously wrote still holds true.


Sorry but your word is some fiction. What is Miami? This is a joke? My friend woman in Kharkiv could not get a visa to Greece. She wanted to get some rest near the sea and see the ruins of the palaces. She has a small business and a car Wolwo 2009 year-no bad for Ukraine. The Greeks in the embassy told her that it is not sure that it is consistent and rich woman and maybe she want to work illegally in Greece! It is stupid and a poor Greece, this not USA or Norway. Or Canada. This mass emigration of Ukrainians cute girls simply impossible. You write fiction sorry. Instead of a poor province come other girls in Kiev. Hundreds of small poor cities and towns in Ukraine.

Can you just not there looking for.

To me a little strange to read all this. In Russia in a pretty young girl from Donbass (land of war) fuck near the border for 15 bucks. In the Russian city of Rostov and Krasnodar.

This leads to fights with local Russians prostitutes and even murder, as well as in Kiev and Kharkov are now refugees. In Dnepropetrovsk and Odessa as well. Yes, you are right-foreigner in Ukraine is no longer so desirable lover it be 10 years ago. Yes. Girlfriend works in a marriage agency in the city of Sumy. For example. This is my new friend, she work in agency marriage..

[Stevie69]

Very sexy and eye-catching profile. Good marketing makes a huge difference. She is selling the ultimate fantasy blonde, with the the leather miniskirts, high-heeled thigh-high boots, tight clothes, tiny bikinis and and ever present lovely smile. I figure that with a little work, many 22 year old students in Kiev could looks just as good but they do not have the confidence and experience to do so. The main question is: is the sex actually better?


The recent posts about excessive money thrown around the world are absolutely true, and it is the top of the market; and that top of the market creates the dreams that us lesser creatures derive our dreams from.

Find http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3#/ closed she operates under various names, and she does regular meetings in Kiev. If she is ever there. Pics of her Dubai private jet pickup are on her profile, no photoshop, no nothing.

If you catch her, she is still a star, albeit a spoiled one, but she knows where she came from. PM me, I have her number.

No need to stop hunting according to your capacities.

[Misterxxx]

Well, I am not a liar, and I didn't have an apartment I stayed in Hotel Lybid again. Stop it with the Mr Know It All Crap. Just because it doesn't work for you doesn't make you the expert on mamba. Hannah is a cute 19 yo brunette and "Sweety" is a very pretty 24 yo and yes they cam to me without knowing me prior. Sounds like the problems you have are just that your problems!
I don't know if this Sweety is your Sweety and if this Hannah is your Hannah:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1640816972

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1500643994

But I guess. Yes?

Sorry, but those girls are no stunners and no "10"s for me. Especially on the photos with less make-up the face is terrible. And I'm sure that the "Sweety" is not 24 year old.

[Riina]

To be clear, I am not discouraging travel to Kiev. It is my favorite place to visit and I have a passport full of stamps to prove it. But Kiev is different then other mongering destinations, it requires a lot of time and money. I can deal with the hunting and all the downs that comes with mongering in Ukraine. I just don't want to see guys stake a lot money on a trip because of a thread that is corrupted by shills. I was planning a trip in September, but tensions are rising again with Russia.

To the member that does not like my posts, click my handle Riina and then click block this user.

You all have a great day.

Riina.

[Horny American]

I guess you just like to hide behind a keyboard and start trouble? Well I never said that they were 10's so that is yet another thing you're wrong about. And as for "Sweety" being 24 yo she is 100% 24 yo since I saw her passport when we first met.

Now, I am not a shill, I am not trying to sell Mamba or any of the girls on there at all. I am getting nothing out of this at all and I was simply trying to be nice and provide info to other mongers that they are not only real, but that the pictures match and that they're good providers as well.

If you don't like it too bad, you'll be the second guy put on ignore today. You guys just like to cast stones and start trouble but don't contribute so good luck.


I don't know if this Sweety is your Sweety and if this Hannah is your Hannah:

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1640816972

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1500643994

But I guess. Yes. ?

Sorry, but those girls are no stunners and no "10"s for me. Especially on the photos with less make-up the face is terrible. And I'm sure that the "Sweety" is not 24 year old.

[Jonathan Pine]

To be clear, I am not discouraging travel to Kiev. It is my favorite place to visit and I have a passport full of stamps to prove it. But Kiev is different then other mongering destinations, it requires a lot of time and money. I can deal with the hunting and all the downs that comes with mongering in Ukraine. I just don't want to see guys stake a lot money on a trip because of a thread that is corrupted by shills.......

Riina.Some of the posts here make Kiev look like pussies grow on trees. I don't think these guys are lying or shills. It's more of a case of different standards. For example, the 19 and 24 year old mamba girls that were mentioned both look much older than their advertised age. Moreover, they look like hardened pros. That is totally fine if some guys like that. But the problem is that a casual reader of the board might be led to believe that 19 year old girl next door student types can easily be had. If they can be had for a little bit of money, then they wouldn't be 19, and certainly wouldn't be girl next door.

Same thing goes for another recent post which says it's very easy to get "girls" from mamba. At least this poster is kind enough to let us know that the "girls" are in their 30's and 40's. So yes, "girls" in their 40's are easy to get if you pay them for sex. Certainly not real 19 year old students.

Casual readers of the board without actual on the ground experience will be very disappointed in Kiev if they don't heed the warnings.

[Sorbonne]

Very sexy and eye-catching profile. Good marketing makes a huge difference. She is selling the ultimate fantasy blonde, with the the leather miniskirts, high-heeled thigh-high boots, tight clothes, tiny bikinis and and ever present lovely smile. I figure that with a little work, many 22 year old students in Kiev could looks just as good but they do not have the confidence and experience to do so. The main question is: is the sex actually better?http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3

Looking at these photos, I just felt sorry for Ukrainian girls because getting education does not advance their careers in Ukraine, but getting plastic surgery does.

[GDreams]

Some of the posts here make Kiev look like pussies grow on trees. I don't think these guys are lying or shills. It's more of a case of different standards. For example, the 19 and 24 year old mamba girls that were mentioned both look much older than their advertised age. Moreover, they look like hardened pros. That is totally fine if some guys like that. But the problem is that a casual reader of the board might be led to believe that 19 year old girl next door student types can easily be had. If they can be had for a little bit of money, then they wouldn't be 19, and certainly wouldn't be girl next door.

Same thing goes for another recent post which says it's very easy to get "girls" from mamba. At least this poster is kind enough to let us know that the "girls" are in their 30's and 40's. So yes, "girls" in their 40's are easy to get if you pay them for sex. Certainly not real 19 year old students.

Casual readers of the board without actual on the ground experience will be very disappointed in Kiev if they don't heed the warnings.I use the Russian version to search and not sure if the database is the same but I think it is. The reality is that it is a numbers game. It is a dating site so there are many who are simply after a guy who will be around long term. If you are after a prostitute there are plenty of sites to cater for that. You need to contact a lot of girls to find those that are interested to meet. Of those half won't turn up, of those that turn up half won't like you or you won't like them and you won't see again. Of the remainder you will probably have a good time.

Set your expectations accordingly. My preference is to find one person who I enjoy spending time with not jut in bed but each to his own.

[Iceberg7811]

Hi guys,

I have a 4 hour layover at Borispol.

Any salons or massage places near the airport?

[Jojosun]

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3

Looking at these photos, I just felt sorry for Ukrainian girls because getting education does not advance their careers in Ukraine, but getting plastic surgery does.And she also speaks Bulgarian " languages spoken:

English (English).

Russkij (Russian).

Blgarski (Bulgarian).

Now we know where she got her sun tan from, Sunny beach, Gloden Sands working holidays.

A while ago there was a post about another supposedly VIP UA Girl (Victoria) who started hanging around Buddha Bar asking high end prices. That same VIP girl was working at one of the sex clubs in Szczecin Poland for 200 Zloty one hour in 2005/6 when it was easier for UA girls to travel to Poland as Poland wasn't in the Schengen zone then.

Bulgaria not a member of the Schengen area, its a lot easier for UA girls to travel and work there during the summer months.

[YellowPaul]

Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.Some of the best advice on the ISG.

Don't assume just because your paying for it that the hottest girl or the one you like will want to go with you. The more attractive ones have more options and some times even race could play a factor if your non-white. Or it could be the opposite as 1 Mamba girl I had 3 years ago was a Turkish groupie.

I still remember my first mongering experience from Havana 15 years ago and I could not figure out why the hottest girl in the place would not come with me.

[ExpatLover]

Mamba was absolutely terrible on my last trip in May. Nothing but hags driven to your apartment by their significant other. The young and hot are looking for locals to maintain them. They are not interested in meeting random tourists off Mamba. If you really believe a nineteen year old independent will come to your apartment without knowing you, I have some very nice swamp land to sell you in Florida.Fully agree with you, the only country where I could have this kind of young fresh experience was in China because I lived there 5 years and got a lot of connections after 3 years. Or you go to German FKK and some lucky days you can find some new young comers (there 1st day, week).

[Jojosun]

And she also speaks Bulgarian " languages spoken:

English (English).

Russkij (Russian).

Blgarski (Bulgarian).

Now we know where she got her sun tan from, Sunny beach, Gloden Sands working holidays.

A while ago there was a post about another supposedly VIP UA Girl (Victoria) who started hanging around Buddha Bar asking high end prices. That same VIP girl was working at one of the sex clubs in Szczecin Poland for 200 Zloty one hour in 2005/6 when it was easier for UA girls to travel to Poland as Poland wasn't in the Schengen zone then.

Bulgaria not a member of the Schengen area, its a lot easier for UA girls to travel and work there during the summer months.In fact it was only 180 zloty an hour, free entry to the club. One of the best sex clubs in the whole of Poland (Palace) ,sadly closed the following year.

It was like a big country house, mansion out of the center with some of the most attractive young girls who just started. In the same league as The River Boat in Kiev but much cheaper. The Internet and Poland joining the EU badly affected the sex scene in Poland, Polish girls flooded London and a very good job too.

[Jojosun]

Don't assume just because your paying for it that the hottest girl or the one you like will want to go with you. The more attractive ones have more options and some times even race could play a factor if your non-white. Or it could be the opposite as 1 Mamba girl I had 3 years ago was a Turkish groupie..LOL Some girls like The Wurst and some get hooked on The Donor.

[Rammstein2]

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1516354292?hit=3

Looking at these photos, I just felt sorry for Ukrainian girls because getting education does not advance their careers in Ukraine, but getting plastic surgery does.How have you found this girl?

In her profile she "does not look for a sponsor".

[Vaape Camhel]

I guess you just like to hide behind a keyboard and start trouble? Well I never said that they were 10's so that is yet another thing you're wrong about. And as for "Sweety" being 24 yo she is 100% 24 yo since I saw her passport when we first met..I can verify Sweetie. I had her over today. Her pictures don't do her justice. Pretty girl, not 9 or 10 but I would say 8 in my scale. 24 years old. Slight softness in her tits but nice body. Really good company.

Thanks for your advice horny! Real winner!

[Riina]

How have you found this girl?

In her profile she "does not look for a sponsor".Not even one photo shot in Kiev. Good luck finding her.

If you care about your facial privacy, be careful about clicking into the profile.

[Horny American]

That was the whole intent of my report, it was to let others know who is real, who pics match, and that they are decent providers etc. Not to get accused of being a liar and all that crap by guys that don't even post actual reports.

Yes, Sweety is pretty, with a nice body but she is also very nice to talk to (fluent English) and on top of that she's also very good in bed.


I can verify Sweetie. I had her over today. Her pictures don't do her justice. Pretty girl, not 9 or 10 but I would say 8 in my scale. 24 years old. Slight softness in her tits but nice body. Really good company.

Thanks for your advice horny! Real winner!

[Ringudor]

I was few days ago in Moulin rouge massage, I got a nice massage from a girl named carol who is not in the website, she is 23, so white and soft skin, brunette and normal figure for a girl in her early 20's, she has good technique and behaved so well, maybe so serious but no one is perfect, 1000 grivnas by 1 hour massage, there were also another 6 cute girls in the salon.

[Riina]

This is what a photo looks like when a hooker visits you.

[CastOnThis]

This is what a photo looks like when a hooker visits you.Nice body. Where did you find her?

[Riina]

Nice body. Where did you find her?A kind member did not forget I shared something with him three years ago.

[Harry Hirsch]

A kind member did not forget I shared something with him three years ago.This are the best girls. They make it just if they need money.

Not the same to girls from Clubs or brothel.

In Mamba can find, but need long time and good search strategies.

[Volpone]

Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.When I wrote that Mamba works well, it's only if you work hard on it. It means a few hours every day during a week at least. Don't expect however to get a 9 or a 10. Most of the girls can be range between 4 and 8. I can tell you that you can spend a few days without having sex, because they are not in Kiev (especially in Summer), they don't agree with your price (100 dollars for 1 hour is too much), they don't do BBBJ, they say they come, but they never come (it happens to me twice), they are pros and they want you to come to their apartment (I am not interested), they are busy right now and they can come in a few days or in a few weeks.

[Alexart]

Of course Mamba works well for most of users. If it wasn't the case, we wouldn't stay long in Kiev.

You paid the right price, 100 $ for 2-3 hours. However some pay these girls much more, like around 100 $ for 1 hour. And some even more than that. So you did everything right.

How you look is important on Mamba. If you are young and good looking, some girls will choose you. Many of them are no real prostitutes, they just need some money right now and they will work as escort occasionnally. Some don't want to go with a guy that is more than 30 or 40 years old, sorry for the men around 50-60. Some girls don't want to go with foreigners, some prefer some nationalities to others, some want just one or two sponsors for long time. So it's different with every girl and it depends on the kind of customer you are, young, old, like BBBJ, 69 and Cunilingus, anal, etc.600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.

[Alexart]

When I wrote that Mamba works well, it's only if you work hard on it. It means a few hours every day during a week at least. Don't expect however to get a 9 or a 10. Most of the girls can be range between 4 and 8. I can tell you that you can spend a few days without having sex, because they are not in Kiev (especially in Summer), they don't agree with your price (100 dollars for 1 hour is too much), they don't do BBBJ, they say they come, but they never come (it happens to me twice), they are pros and they want you to come to their apartment (I am not interested), they are busy right now and they can come in a few days or in a few weeks.You can find girls on Kreshatik. Just take them to club and back for all night.

[Sorbonne]

In 2016 "To be Ukrainian is to be independent, self-confident and free."

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37169341

This view differs from the picture painted here on this board, which says more and more beautiful girls take up sponsorship-offer and go abroad.

How do we explain? Perhaps they don't want to be Ukrainians?

[Questner]

In 2016 "To be Ukrainian is to be independent, self-confident and free."

www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37169341

This view differs from the picture painted here on this board, which says more and more beautiful girls take up sponsorship-offer and go abroad.

How do we explain? Perhaps they don't want to be Ukrainians?Why would anyone quote a hotel manager on an issue of national identity? Entrepreneurial people always leave their small towns behind. Most don't forget where do they come from. Some just choose the life of convenience abroad.

[Volpone]

600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.Yes you can in some apartments with pros. I've been in a few apartments with this price, I didn't stay. Well if you like to fuck ugly girls, it's easy to find them there. Maybe after visiting 10 of them you can find a pearl.

I was talking about mamba, try to chat a bit on mamba, you will see. Most of the girls don't agree for that price. But you can still dream about it.

[Volpone]

You can find girls on Kreshatik. Just take them to club and back for all night.Yes with a device to go back in the past, that would work. That was like that in the nineties when girls were impressed with foreigners. Forget it now, most of them don't care about foreigners, they have enough middle class or rich Ukrainian boyfriends available.

By the way where are your reports, your own experience about Kiev, the real Kiev? I would be delighted to read them, but, pajalousta, the real Kiev, not some fantasms or wrong visions to make believe that you can get very easily a pretty young chick for 20-25 $.

[Ringudor]

¿Some knows about strip club Mandarin?

http://striptease.ua/eng/clubs/cabaretrestaurant-Mandarin

I heard about it from a taxis some time ago, but I never was, if someone knows the place or like to explore together, just tell me.

[RogerThis]

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.

[Vitrea]

600 to 700 grivnyas (20-25 $) HR for the young 20's girl, that is the rate in Kiev now. 300-400 you can still get the nice one, but takes time.I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.

[YellowPaul]

Has anybody stayed at the ALFAVITO Kyiv Hotel?

The prices are good as usually I stay in private apartments but this is about the same price and convenience of hotel.

Any problems bringing girls up in a hotel? Do they have to sign in?

[Riina]

I just came back form Ukraine. It was a short trip and I plan on going back. My experience is that you need 8-10 times the price quoted above to bang a classy, beautiful girl that does BBBJ and DFK (3000 grivnas). I personally don't have time, game or interest to pick up chicks on K street. May be it is possible but then they might as well bang you for free.

I want 3 sessions a day and one overnight. I don't want waste time looking for them. All of that is available but you have to pay.


I am not talking Rio or Buddha bar either. There it is even more expensive, and most of you know that.It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.

[Johneash]

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

LOL, you know what's funny is, you really don't know how close you came, jesus! Idk, maybe you look like a young Chuck Norris or the mountain from Game of Thrones, but wow! No offense man, but get some street sense! Where you going next Kingston Jamaica, Johannesburg, Caracas. Or maybe San Salvador? (smile).

[Riina]

I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, but she was sort of OK in the dark and she was friendly and I was in the mood, so I got in the taxi with her. (She told me hotel Ukraine and hotel Dnipro are girl friendly.) We drove 5 minutes to a street off Maidan. She made a lot of funny finger signs at the driver. I guess she was saying "charge him too much and give me half later" he asked for 200, which is outrageous but what could I do stuck in a car with a tough driver and a hooker? We went upstairs, there were two other girls and a madam in the flat. The madam was actually the hottest. One of the girls was better than mine but I wasn't sure if I could swap. She sent me off to shower by myself.

Now this girl whose name is Lera and her pictures have long dark hair (I think there's a blonde Lera on relaxportal too) has absolutely the worst possible temperament to be a prostitute. She accepted no input from me about what to do. She started with a bad covered BJ. Then she got on top and started grinding away. Every time I tried to touch her she pushed my hand away roughly with her elbow. I moved my mouth towards her breasts. No kissing. After a couple of minutes she started sighing and muttering to herself and shaking her head. Under the circumstances I couldn't maintain an erection. As soon as she felt me getting soft she climbed off and after a lot of complaining about "not normal sex" she tried giving me a rough handjob. She went on sighing and muttering and after a few minutes she gave up. She spent a bit of time sitting on the bed sighing and swearing and looking at the wall, and a bit of time doing something with her phone, then she said time was up. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post links on here? Her number in the URL on relaxportal is 15925. Keep away. She's nothing special to look at anyway.

When I went back to my hotel the three guys in suits were standing together right by the door. I smiled politely. Two of them looked away and the other one gave me a long hard look. I would have thought a cheap 3 star city hotel would be used to this. Perhaps they're just unhappy I didn't give them a couple of hundred to look the other way.

I give up on Ukraine for now. Maybe if I pay 1500 or 2000 I'll get proper service but I'm not going to take the chance. I'm off to Greece. (I'm sure Ukraine would be very rewarding if I went about it the right way, I don't mean to denigrate the country as a destination, but maybe my bad experiences can help others make better choices about how to approach it).

Incidentally, I'm a breast man. I find it frustrating when girls won't let me kiss or suck them. Some of these websites have long lists of what the girls will and won't do, but they never mention tit-sucking. I wonder why that is. I don't really need to know about anal fisting and crap (give) but I'd like to be able to pick a girl who'll let me suck her tits.

One last thing. I stayed earlier in Hotel Bratislava, another cheap but acceptable 3-star, by metro Darnitsa. They have a nightclub called something like Monsieur Gustave. The posters in the lift say it has a strip show with "extended crazy menu". I guess that means you can take girls out? Might be worth checking out. I only noticed it as I was coming down in the lift to check out. Too late.Thank you Roger for an honest report. Great information about the challenges a newbie may encounter in Kiev.

I'm a risk taker when in Kiev and one of the biggest problems for me was the terrible service provided by most of the easy to access cheap prostitutes. I never met so many girls so quick to buzzkill you once the cash is dropped. Smelly pussies, purposely so you would be disgusted, rough blow jobs, and every other mood killer. I like semi pros but they were hard to find on my last trip.

[Vitrea]

It's more complicated then just "paying for it" in Kiev. Sure, you can call Gia which is fine, but those girls have rubbed a jillion dicks. Not really the essence of Ukraine travel. Kiev is an investment. It starts with repeat travel, Mamba, VK, the spirit to go out at night, and most importantly, just not being shy.Agree independent free lancers is the way to go and in any city those take time, effort and building connections. I did not use Gia either. Wanted to but did not have time.

My point is don't expect to land in Kiev and bang a gazelle model type for 400 Grivnas.

[Stevie69]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.


I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out? He called reception and the receptionist explained that they don't let visitors in without ID. Like a fool I went down. The receptionist, the guy who had come to my room and another guy were all standing around in suits looking at me. The girl wasn't there. They said she was outside with her taxi. I went outside and found her. It wasn't the girl from the picture, not by a long way, ..........

[Stevie69]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. You do not want big guys in dark suits to be the ones regulating your access to pussy. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And finally, you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.

What else motivates them? Money! You can show them the money, but do not pay until the deed is done.


I was staying in Hotel Kyiv. It's not bad. It's cheap. I called a girl on relaxportal. She looked hot, if it was her. She wanted 1000. There was a hotter girl with the same number who wanted 1500. I haven't seen that before. Anyway, I gave her my hotel room number, and she said she'd be there in half an hour. Half an hour later there was a knock on the door. Outside was a bloke in a suit. He said there was a girl for me downstairs. He said no. He didn't speak much English. Perhaps he wanted a bribe. I said, well, shall I come down and sort it out.

[Jonathan Pine]

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. Now I ensure I am in control of the situation at every step. I stay at my own place. I clarify the service that will be provided, I meet the girl downstairs to make sure the is the same in the photo (or a reasonable replacement). I send them back if they are not. I kiss the when I meet, to judge their reaction and friendliness. And I only pay at the end. I have rejected girls at every stage, even once when we were already naked in bed, about to start, but she started to complain too much. Another time, a girl was just late, even after her initial one hour delay, and I phoned her to cancel, saying that I cannot wait for her all day. She said she was across the street, but I put my foot down. The next day, she came on time, and she had gained a new-found respect for me, and gave me mind-blowing sex.

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. I was once travelling with a girl in Asia, and she was being difficult in the morning. I left her alone in the hotel, knowing that she would be too afraid to get lost if she went out. By the time I returned 3 hours later, she was very affectionate. The psychology of eastern European women is just different. Maybe all women are like that, but western ones, brainwashed by feminism, are too stubborn to just go with the feelings.This post is a must read. Thank you Stevie.

[Michi T]

...Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. ...Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.

[Johneash]

Kiev might be different from other cities then? In the Odessa discussion, they say that taking girls to any hotels is no problem whatsowever.You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/addiscombe-kidnap-victim-home-family-pay-ransom/story-11359138-detail/story.html

[Michi T]

You can take girls to most hotels, that's not the issue. The issue is that once you do, you are "marked". As stevie69 says, you have no control & things go. Well the way they generally go in corrupt countries. Most of the bad stuff gets hushed up, for obvious reasons, or certain words are used to aviod embarrasment. (example, strip club becomes "casino") Story below is a classic example.

http://www.croydonadvertiser.co.uk/addiscombe-kidnap-victim-home-family-pay-ransom/story-11359138-detail/story.htmlOh wow, so how shall one act in Ukraine if one wants to order a girl and if they ask for hotel and room number? I ordered once in Romania a girl, she came directly knocking at my door. How about in Ukraine? I have in particular the cheaper hotels with a hotel lady on each floor and a guardian on ground floor in mind.

PS: I do not understand that story in the news paper. Why was that fat child kidnaped? He was harly mongering in Odessa, was he?

[FriendA]

Together with my girlfriend we had relaxing experience in few massage parlors in Kiev.

Not at first time I will recommend Allure massage salon. Not the salon's interior, but it's staff and services! New red haired girl Alisa. Sweet, with pink pussy, but can only watch. Also she sold me professional Chinese massage (performed ebonite sticks), enjoyable. But better to have dynamic Nuru, hubba-hubba.

But what especially pleased. It is Yoni massage, that was sweetly-orgasmic for my girlfriend! I saw. To watch is also nice.

In short, we got into a Yoni trend for the ladies.

On attached pics you will see striptease and massage superstar Tina and their new girl Alisa.

Allure Salon, we thank you for your service. Ho-ho.

[Johneash]

Oh wow, so how shall one act in Ukraine if one wants to order a girl and if they ask for hotel and room number? I ordered once in Romania a girl, she came directly knocking at my door. How about in Ukraine? I have in particular the cheaper hotels with a hotel lady on each floor and a guardian on ground floor in mind.

PS: I do not understand that story in the news paper. Why was that fat child kidnaped? He was harly mongering in Odessa, was he?You can do the same, the biggest agency in Ukraine has already paid off who needs to be paid. If you try to bring a girl from the street / small agency, you will have to give a "tip" hotel staff. Don't use cheaper hotels! Ever! You should avoid hotels & use apartments, imo. Yes he was mongering, LOL, there is no other reason for a guy & his "uncle" to be in Ukraine. He did not pay / tip who he was supposed to pay / tip & so, well they made him pay. Don't be the "fat child" is the moral of that story.

[Muddy7]

You could write a guide on how not to have fun in Kiev. You put yourself in a situation that you could not control, and you lost more control every step of the way. Your first mistake was staying at a hotel instead of an apartment. Then you got into a cab without knowing where you were going or settling the fare. And then you went to her place! By the time you got to be with the girl, she had already pegged you as a chump. I am sure the same girl would do her best if she knew her payment depended on it.

I once made all those mistakes, and worse. .One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.

I always try to rent a flat in a building without an attendant

[Riina]

Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.

[Jonathan Pine]

Keep in mind that with cheap hotels you are asking a girl to out herself as a prostitute. You can expect the bottom of the barrel with that road.

Cheap hotels are also a reflection of you. It's better that you dress shitty and have an apartment, then dress well and have a cheap room.Wise words. It's the mindset of local girls and people in general. If you want to be cheap and on a tight budget, don't bother going to Kiev. You won't get what you want there. Stay home.

[Russel4339]

One more thing, cialis is much cheaper in Ukraine, bought 8 20 MG tablets box for 3400 grivna, better not to buy from pharmacies on Kreschatic or in the malls, they could be more expensive by 1000+ grivna... and whatever price they give u tell them another pharmacy u know is chaper, they may drop the price by 200+ grivna, pharmacies are like taxis too.You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.

[Muddy7]

You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.Yes the pharmacist told me, I saw it, but cialis works better on me, seems to last longer too.

Old article about rio:

http://vz.ua/news/14580-komprometiruyushchii_biznes_v_klube_rio_devushek_vtyagivayut_v_prostitutsiyu

[Michi T]

You can also buy the Indian version of Viagra in most pharmacies in the Ukraine. It is called Konagra and is (I think) about 200 UAH for (4) 50 MG tablets. 100 MG tablets are slightly more.

It is safe and effective using the same sildenafil citrate recipe as viagra. I have found that it works just the same as effectively.Taking Ukrainian medicine? Urrgs, is this safe?

[Riina]

Ukrainian girls are turned on by decisive, dominant men. Typical modern western men, who are submissive and accommodating, are viewed as weak. So true. The more accommodating you are, the more you have opened yourself to manipulation.

[Michi T]

So true. The more accommodating you are, the more you have opened yourself to manipulation.What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?

[Riina]

What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?No! You do not have to act differently. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. On my first trip to Kiev, I contacted a girl from Mamba. She told me that we can meet at three. Three rolls around and texts me she needs twenty minutes more, then forty five minutes more, and on and on. I sat in my apartment for hours like a complete douche. Girls are always running late but the maximum flexibility should of been one hour before canceling. As simple as this is, I try to remember it in more complicated situations.

Every individual girl has to be evaluated. The more beautiful and experienced, the more manipulation you can expect. I like the college age GND's, it just seems to stay more honest.

[Jonathan Pine]

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?Act like local guys. If your upbringing and cultural background won't allow you to sink that low, imagine how would our most famous gentleman James Bond act in your situation. He definitely doesn't get pushed around by women, or anybody.

[Michi T]

Act like local guys. If your upbringing and cultural background won't allow you to sink that low, imagine how would our most famous gentleman James Bond act in your situation. He definitely doesn't get pushed around by women, or anybody.Haha, I like that one. So, I will give her money back for bus transport, I will pay for her separate hotel room, I will invite her for dinner and breakfast next day and if she does not want to kiss or let me touch her, I will send her back home immediately without paying for transport back. Or may I even tell her "I paid for transport, accommodation, etc, so I expect some sex? In my culture, that would be unfriendly, but you suggest to act like a local.

[Russel4339]

Taking Ukrainian medicine? Urrgs, is this safe?Konagra is produced in India and has good reviews worldwide.

There is also a Russian version called "Potential". It is about half the price of Kongra. However, even I am not brave enough to trust Russian pharmaceuticals (especially in Ukraine).

[Russel4339]

What does it mean for a first meeting? I western Europe I am always charming, opening the door, asking what the woman wants to eat and drink, listen to her, do not interrupt her, etc.

Would I have to act differently in Ukraine? Can you please describe?If this is not a professional lady, by all means treat her like a woman would like to be treated (open the door for her, carry any bag for her, etc.). However, be decisive when it comes to decision making. Know where you are going to go for dinner and tell her (don't ask her). Don't take her advice on every time it is given. Take her hand when you want to (don't wait for that "perfect moment" Pay without hesitation and tip well (for the Ukraine). Take charge in restaurants and other situations (although this can be hard with limited language skills). All of these things show you to be in control, successful, and "manly".

[Putologist]

But just to have a expensive dinner, give good tips etc. All of these are fine, but by the end of the day NO guarantee for a bang if she isn't a pro.

LMR is very wide spread among Russians / Ukrainians.

[Jonathan Pine]

First, have backup plans in case it doesn't workout with this 39 year old woman. You don't want to be stranded in Kiev by yourself. Before you go, arrange for plan be, see, the,.

Second, don't pre pay her hotel room yet. Yon can book it, but don't pay for it yet.

Thirdly, take her for a walk, maybe to a cafe, you'll need to know that she's genuine before you take her to an expensive restaurant.

Locals guys wouldn't simply take some girls to expensive restaurants without first having a sponsorship deal. No sex, no expensive dinner!

Just because you can afford a nice dinner doesn't mean you should. If you do that in Ukraine without demanding sex in return, she'll lose all respect for you.

It's a fucked up mentality I know. But you need to play hard ball with them. I learned it the hard way. Someone, I think it's Riina on the board says that if you accommodate them, you'll open yourself up for manipulation. Very well said. I'll also add that if you accommodate them, you'll bring out their worst behavior.

Treat them like dogs, if they lick your dick. Then you throw them a bone. If they don't play ball, kick them to the curb. Punish them. Now before anybody accuses me of being a *******, I can tell you I'm anything but. It's just the dynamics between local men and women. You must play hard ball with them. No mercy, make no exceptions. The only language they understand is strength.

And don't worry about offending them. Trust me, they're used to this treatment from local guys and expecting it from you. If you don't do it, they'll think you're a fool and will only try to extract money from you without fucking you.

Be tough, Michi! Now go score one for the team!