Kyiv

[Arkiloko]

I was walking near ocean plaza, when a guy offered me to visit a flat in BaseinaI also knew something about some good Baseina flat, but I didn't find it. Can you help?

Once a guy offered me to go in a flat, but we were at Bessarabik and didn't look very safe.

[Deer1234]

Hello,

I want to stay in Kiev and go to some high-end discos to take out young beautiful girls. My preference is rather students or models than experienced professionals.

Q1. Can you recommend such discos or clubs?

Q2. I heard that outcall to hotels is difficult in Ukraine because security guards are strict. Could you recommend a hotel where outcall is easy and not refused?

Q3. I also heard that if I want to outcall girls I should better rent an apartment room in Kiev.

How can I do it? I can stay there for a week or two but not more.

P.S. I do not like incall after experiencing some problems.

Thank you.

[Volpone]

Hi everybody,

I'm new here and sorry for being an inexperienced forum logger. Anyways, I'm going to be in Ukraine for the month of November starting from Lviv, to Kiev, to Kharkiv. Looking for local guides or people that are traveling to Ukraine during November 2016. Would appreciate any tips / ideas / places to visit / go to hit up on some gaming on girls.

Thanks in advance.Hi Zeepe,

I will be in Kiev in November too.

Just take a membership subscription and the others members and I will be able to contact you.

[YellowPaul]

Chi is the #1 high end disco with some working girls but mostly a regular crowd if you have game.

If you can get a wing man $400-$500 min charges for a table split is well spent if you want to see the best that Kiev has to offer. On par with Las Vegas but much cheaper to get a bottle service.

Also no shame is getting a rid of girl you bring back to the table if you getting a bad vibe from her or she or friends just seem more if your booze then you.

Avoid Skybar where them seem to have a more restrictive door policy towards foreigners lately.


Hello,

I want to stay in Kiev and go to some high-end discos to take out young beautiful girls. My preference is rather students or models than experienced professionals.

Q1. Can you recommend such discos or clubs?

Q2. I heard that outcall to hotels is difficult in Ukraine because security guards are strict. Could you recommend a hotel where outcall is easy and not refused?

Q3. I also heard that if I want to outcall girls I should better rent an apartment room in Kiev.

How can I do it? I can stay there for a week or two but not more.

P.S. I do not like incall after experiencing some problems.

Thank you.

[TheWhatever]

Girls on Mamba look prettier and prettier, no wonder why the most gorgeous top models are from Uktraine.

Though is Mamba a good source for meeting cheap but good looking girls in Kiev? Or most of them are fake?

[EnricoMacias]

Dear Yummy,

I was following your experiment very closely and hoped that you achieve your target.

Now, you failed, so it is time for the people who was waiting to attack. Everybody will say that they knew that result much before. So never mind negative comments, it was a nice try and if you were successful, other would follow.

I am 30 years old and I visited Kiev 7 times since 2011. I am short guy but looking like European since I am brunette with green eyes.

When I read your post and saw that you were massaging her, I was angry. Because she fooled you, who is that girl to deserve such a treatment? She has to provide in order to satisfy you. She just used you whereas it should be the opposite. Even these poor girls used me before. During my last 2 visits, some tried again but I just sent them back to their shithole where they belong. Anyhow, after me, they would cheat one of the other thousands men in queue.

And you forgot the most critical point. *Time is money* may be you did give her money but paid with your time. You already wasted your money. (as you are much more older than me, you should be more aware of that issue.

Best regards'.


So, I'm back in Stuttgart now. 11 Days in Kiev and no sex except for the prostitute that I had a very mediocre experience with.

However, I had an interesting time with my 18 year old tutor (the one I kissed the night before). We were working late in my apartment and she was more friendly than she had been with sitting very close to me on the couch as we practiced my Russian. She was flirting and we were casually touching. It was about midnight and she said she had to go home and I offered for her to stay the night. I told her she could use the bedroom if she wanted to and that the door had a lock if it made her more comfortable. She clearly hesitated but accepted. We continued to study a while longer and I started giving her a bit of a massage to which she responded very positively. She laid down on the couch with her chest on my lap and I continued to massage her. I undid her bra and she did not protest. After a while of this I turned her over and picked her up and carried her to the bedroom. I laid her on the bed and started to undo her pants. She said something to the effect of "I can't, I have a boyfriend. " Hahahaha!...

[Viajando Musico]

I have a short 6-day vacation coming up in a few weeks. I am in the process of choosing a destination. I am thinking of Colombian cities like Medellin or Bogota where I am familiar with the surrounding and have no problem with the language, and Kiev where I have never been, and don't know a word of the language spoken. Both countries have plenty of beautiful women, and I have met them in other parts of the world. In general, the Colombians I met outside of Colombia were not as sweet as their countrywomen in Colombia. I have had much better time with them when I was in Colombia. I was not particularly fancy about most of the working Ukrainian girls I had met except their beauty. I don't know a trip to their homebase would yield different experience?

I am familiar with the German FKK scene and have been to many Spanish night clubs with working girls. I don't know what to expect on a trip to Kiev. In Colombia, P4 P is everywhere. Am I going to find mongering venues vastly available in Kiev as well, or a great deal of efforts other than RTFF this thread needs to be done before landing there? Hope the experienced Kiev members can share some ideas.

[Buckinup]

I have a short 6-day vacation coming up in a few weeks. I am in the process of choosing a destination. I am thinking of Colombian cities like Medellin or Bogota where I am familiar with the surrounding and have no problem with the language, and Kiev where I have never been, and don't know a word of the language spoken. Well, I have made trips to all three cities that you have mentioned. I had great times in all three. I guess, as in all things, your results will depend a lot on you and what you are really looking for. Just some thoughts:

1. For me, coming from the USA, flights to Colombia were way cheaper.

2. I was lucky and hit all trips when the dollar was very strong vs. The local currency, but that is a consideration.

3. Due to the currency exchange rate when I was there, dining in Kiev was less expensive than Colombia. I have not kept up with prices so I do not know if that is still true.

4. At the time nice lodging was very affordable in both countries.

5. As far as the looks of the women, its personal taste. I like the Ukrainian, thin blondes better. Many love the look of Colombians better.

6. I found the attitudes of the Colombian girls more to my liking. More GFE available from more girls. But I also never felt that a session in Kiev was a waste either!

7. In Bogota and Kiev you will have to do a bit of work to meet the ladies. In Medellin, the Mansion is kind of like a FKK, with ladies on premise.

8. I would go back to any of the 3 cities in a heartbeat!

Hope this is of some help. (Jackson are you going to flog me for using hard returns?

[Deer1234]

Hi everyone,

Thank you very much for advice of a lot of places in Kiev where I can take out.

Young nice girls.

However, I do not want to buy extravagant oligarchic suit just for this.

I would be happy to spend on the girls but not on my clothes.

I would prefer places where dress code is relatively loose and female / male ratio is moderately favorable.

Where negotiating about $ is not taken offensive (that is, pros or semi-pros are allowed to enter).

But where not all the women are decade-experienced pros.

Your suggestion would be appreciated.

[Guntherus]

Hi everyone,
I would be happy to spend on the girls but not on my clothes.
I would prefer places where dress code is relatively loose and female / male ratio is moderately
Where negotiating about $ is not taken offensive (that is, pros or semi-pros are allowed to enter).You are practically asking for a FKK in Kiev. Go to Germany for this. F. ex. Berlin, Artemis. You won't find it in Ukraine. And, If you keep asking specific, difficult question, you now and then also should provide some information. We appreciate that.

[HugeDickMan]

Has anyone tried this escort agency. http://gia-escort.com/ Or any other escort agency in Kiev? Are there specific girls you can recommend?

How about these strip clubs: Rio, Red Lion, Flirt House, Arena Stars. Can you bring a girl to your hotel and fuck her?

[EnricoMacias]

Has anyone tried this escort agency. http://gia-escort.com/ Or any other escort agency in Kiev? Are there specific girls you can recommend?

How about these strip clubs: Rio, Red Lion, Flirt House, Arena Stars. Can you bring a girl to your hotel and fuck her?Di dude,

I think you have no time to read even last pages of the forum because if you read, you would saw plenty of answer related to your question.

Kiev is not good for monger who does not do homework properly before the visit.

Yes, you can find girls whom you can take out.

3-4 years ago, when I was walking in Kresatik, there were so many pimps with business cards. They were selling the girls.

In my last 2 visit, I found these men, near Arena. But this girls are not user friendly, they say no no no for every request, they just blowjob and fuck vaginal.

[YummyPL]

Has anyone tried this escort agency. http://gia-escort.com/ Or any other escort agency in Kiev? Are there specific girls you can recommend?

How about these strip clubs: Rio, Red Lion, Flirt House, Arena Stars. Can you bring a girl to your hotel and fuck her?RTF. Oh, did I say RTF? I meant to say RTFF.

[Jojosun]

RTF. Oh, did I say RTF? I meant to say RTFF.You mean read the fucking forum?

[Ringudor]

Girls on Mamba look prettier and prettier, no wonder why the most gorgeous top models are from Uktraine.

Though is Mamba a good source for meeting cheap but good looking girls in Kiev? Or most of them are fake?Cheap. Maybe not, they usually ask for 100 dollars, for them its not cheap.

[DramaFree11]

Even is you do your homework, you probably be very disappointed. The beautiful girls left 5-7 years ago. 95% of the pictures on Mamba and other sites are fake. Nightlife is dead with the exception of Friday night. Kiev is a waste of time and energy. The city is beautiful, but no energy.

[Sean EZ]

Chi is the #1 high end disco with some working girls but mostly a regular crowd if you have game.

If you can get a wing man $400-$500 min charges for a table split is well spent if you want to see the best that Kiev has to offer. On par with Las Vegas but much cheaper to get a bottle service.

Also no shame is getting a rid of girl you bring back to the table if you getting a bad vibe from her or she or friends just seem more if your booze then you.

Avoid Skybar where them seem to have a more restrictive door policy towards foreigners lately.Chi is a very tight door, unless you booked a table or on a list you're unlikely to get in. Lots o f local celebs go there. They never play commercial music, only import deep house and techno DJ's.

[Samcik]

Chi is a very tight door, unless you booked a table or on a list you're unlikely to get in. Lots o f local celebs go there. They never play commercial music, only import deep house and techno DJ's.Chi is very overrated place. If you don't speak russian or don't go with someone who speaks russian most places like CHI will be total waste of your money and time.

[Riina]

Chi is very overrated place. If you don't speak russian or don't go with someone who speaks russian most places like CHI will be total waste of your money and time.Yep. The whole glamour model scene should be avoided in Kiev. I like young GND's, the more naive the better.

[Sean EZ]

Yep. The whole glamour model scene should be avoided in Kiev. I like young GND's, the more naive the better.Which clubs do you go for these? I am getting tired of same Sky / Chi / the-Lux type places. Lots of young girls everywhere. Streets, metro. Best to approach them during the day, but no everyone can do that. Patipa used to be good but it is closed now.

In terms of picking up CHI is def overrated but the girls are amazing and I like the type of music they play a lot.

[Riina]

Which clubs do you go for these? I am getting tired of same Sky / Chi / the-Lux type places. Lots of young girls everywhere. Streets, metro. Best to approach them during the day, but no everyone can do that. Patipa used to be good but it is closed now.

In terms of picking up CHI is def overrated but the girls are amazing and I like the type of music they play a lot.
I found Shooters to be my best option, but some nights were pretty terrible. All the clubs are worth trolling through, go wherever you enjoy the scene. I personally just dislike glamour and silly prices in a poor country.

If I was a shy guy in Kiev, I would try to find monger friends. Not so difficult to spot a hunter on K street with similar interests and befriend.

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, Shooters is one of the worst clubs I have ever been to in my life. You will be real disappointed. Ugly women and lots of Turkish guys. Night life is pretty good on Friday's, dead the rest of the week.

[Volpone]

I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.

Concerning the salaries, I take into account a more or less average salary. In Kiev it's difficult to estimate it as most of the people earn around 4-7000 UAH a month and less with a full time job. So I choose 5000 UAH that is now around 200 $.

Berlin, 19000 euro a year = 21000 $ / 12 = 1750 $ a month.

London, 48000 a year = 59600 $ / 12 = 4970 $ a month.

USA, 40 000 $ a year. 40000 $ / 12 = 3333 $.

Escorts in Berlin: 199 - 385 $ for 2 hours, I mean you can get an escort for 200 $ for 2 hours in Berlin, that's the cheapest price.

Escorts in London: 300 - 600 $ for 2 hours.

Escorts in the USA: I haven't a clue. I am sure someone can give some info. There are surely many differences between states.

About both cities I started with the cheapest price for escorts and I go up to the middle. Of course you can pay much more in these cities, but still many escorts are available in these given price ranges.

Consequently that's the new price in Berlin for a 2 hours escort:

1750/2 = 875 $.

In London it would be:

4970/2 = 2485 $ for 2 hours escort.

Of course on these salaries they have to pay some taxes, so we might take off the 20 %.

Berlin: 700 $ for 2 hours.

London: a bit less than 2000 $.

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...

[Riina]

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

Good point Volpne. Hundred dollars is an incredible amount of money in Kiev. Any girl that asks for more is trying to manipulate the situation and will probably deliver poor service.

[Ivanvlad]

I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.


I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...Volpone that's not mathematics! An iphone in Ukraine costs almost the same than in US and a lot of people have an iphone. In Ukraine there are rich people, not too many but yes there are. Normal people in Ukraine don't pay for sex, only rich people and tourists do it. So, makes no sense to do a comparation between the medium salary and the cost of an escort or the cost of an iphone.

[Volpone]

Volpone that's not mathematics! An iphone in Ukraine costs almost the same than in US and a lot of people have an iphone. In Ukraine there are rich people, not too many but yes there are. Normal people in Ukraine don't pay for sex, only rich people and tourists do it. So, makes no sense to do a comparation between the medium salary and the cost of an escort or the cost of an iphone.I agree with you that electronic devices cost nearly the same as in Western Europe. I also agree with you that there are rich people in Ukraine, and especially in Kiev where salaries are higher than in the rest of the country.

I also agree with you that guys with a 3-7000 UAH salary don't spend 100 $ for sex. They might go to some cheap flats where I've been too, to have sex for 4-500 UAH or they might just get a girlfriend or wank.

However you know that we can live without an IPhone or a smartphone. That's not a necessity for life. With a low salary it's more important to get food and to have a roof. Moreover you can buy a smartphone for around 100 $, so for a Mamba girl, that's just 2 hours work.

I made these comparisons to show that there is something wrong with these girls getting so much money with respect to their fellow citizens or girls doing the same job in other countries. Furthermore in some other countries of the planet, non-pros or semi-pros girls get much less for 2 hours sex. Moreover when the salaries were higher in Kiev, when inhabitants of Kiev have a more important purchasing power than now, prices were cheaper. With 100 $ you could get a girl for the night. Don't forget that rent prices are very expensive in London and eating in a restaurant is also much more expensive than in Kiev. So I think they are just screwing us when we pay that price.

[Misc123]

Hi Volpone,

Thank you for the interesting comparison. Let me add my 2 cents.

In Kiev.

It is possible to pay 100 $/ night for a girl or even 200 $/ night (Yes you can get at least a 6-7-8 for those prices in the 18-24 years range).

In Canada or USA. For 200 $ a similar quality girl for an hour max.

And yes sometimes. Foreigners in Kiev pay 100 $/ HR for girls too, but that is the Foreigners overpaying.

One just has to shop around well in mamba, vk or K-Street. It is possible.

I have done it every year and I have seen other people do it.

And I have seen people overpaying too.

That makes the comparison easier.

Ciao.

Misc.


I am quite impressed, and I am sure I am not the only one, how much these Mamba's girls can get in 2 hours of work.

So I compare what guys in London, in Berlin and in the USA pay for 2 hours escorts. Of course Mamba's girls are a bit special, as they usually don't work for an escort agency. Many of them just work once in a while, part time or for a period of time. So I won't compare with the escort agencies in Kiev where the girls get around the half of the price. A Mamba girl has usually no pimp and gets the full amount in her pocket.

Concerning the salaries, I take into account a more or less average salary. In Kiev it's difficult to estimate it as most of the people earn around 4-7000 UAH a month and less with a full time job. So I choose 5000 UAH that is now around 200 $.

Berlin, 19000 euro a year = 21000 $ / 12 = 1750 $ a month.

London, 48000 a year = 59600 $ / 12 = 4970 $ a month.

USA, 40 000 $ a year. 40000 $ / 12 = 3333 $.

Escorts in Berlin: 199 - 385 $ for 2 hours, I mean you can get an escort for 200 $ for 2 hours in Berlin, that's the cheapest price.

Escorts in London: 300 - 600 $ for 2 hours.

Escorts in the USA: I haven't a clue. I am sure someone can give some info. There are surely many differences between states.

About both cities I started with the cheapest price for escorts and I go up to the middle. Of course you can pay much more in these cities, but still many escorts are available in these given price ranges.

Consequently that's the new price in Berlin for a 2 hours escort:

1750/2 = 875 $.

In London it would be:

4970/2 = 2485 $ for 2 hours escort.

Of course on these salaries they have to pay some taxes, so we might take off the 20 %.

Berlin: 700 $ for 2 hours.

London: a bit less than 2000 $.

I would not say that it's absolutely precise, but I think it gives us an idea how much money we give to these girls. 100 $ that's the third, the half of a monthly pay and even the monthly pay for some people. To be a Mamba girl looking for a sponsor, that's the most well paid job there.

3 meetings a week 300$ X 4 = 1200 $ a month = 25000 UAH, about 4-5 monthly pay.
That's so easy to get 1200 $ a month for these girls...

[Viajando Musico]

Well, I have made trips to all three cities that you have mentioned. I had great times in all three. I guess, as in all things, your results will depend a lot on you and what you are really looking for. Just some thoughts:

1. For me, coming from the USA, flights to Colombia were way cheaper.

2. I was lucky and hit all trips when the dollar was very strong vs. The local currency, but that is a consideration.

3. Due to the currency exchange rate when I was there, dining in Kiev was less expensive than Colombia. I have not kept up with prices so I do not know if that is still true.

4. At the time nice lodging was very affordable in both countries.

5. As far as the looks of the women, its personal taste. I like the Ukrainian, thin blondes better. Many love the look of Colombians better.

6. I found the attitudes of the Colombian girls more to my liking. More GFE available from more girls. But I also never felt that a session in Kiev was a waste either!

7. In Bogota and Kiev you will have to do a bit of work to meet the ladies. In Medellin, the Mansion is kind of like a FKK, with ladies on premise.

8. I would go back to any of the 3 cities in a heartbeat!

Hope this is of some help. (Jackson are you going to flog me for using hard returns?Thanks for your input. After RTFF back at least 6 months of posts in Kiev thread, I think Kiev requires much more efforts for one to enjoy the place for a few days. The flights from where I am coming from cost about the same. Dollars is still strong against both currencies. Hotels and restaurants cost similarly in both countries. But one biggest advantage (or drawback) is the language. I feel I will be totally lost in Kiev while I could be enjoying a conversation with a chica in Colombia. Girls in both countries are beautiful in different ways, but from my past encounters with them. Similar to your experience, I think I will do better with a Colombiana.

[Volpone]

Hi Volpone,

Thank you for the interesting comparison. Let me add my 2 cents.

In Kiev.

It is possible to pay 100 $/ night for a girl or even 200 $/ night (Yes you can get at least a 6-7-8 for those prices in the 18-24 years range).

In Canada or USA. For 200 $ a similar quality girl for an hour max.

And yes sometimes. Foreigners in Kiev pay 100 $/ HR for girls too, but that is the Foreigners overpaying.

One just has to shop around well in mamba, vk or K-Street. It is possible.

I have done it every year and I have seen other people do it.

And I have seen people overpaying too.

That makes the comparison easier.

Ciao.

Misc.Hi Misc,

Thanks for your info about the price of escorts in USA. It seems nearly the same as Berlin.

You are absolutely right, that's still possible to pay 100 $ for a girl for one full night and even less, but that's not easy to get that price on Mamba with a new girl. Many guys prefer to pay 100 $ for 1 or 2 hours than to try bargaining a bit like we did and we do.

For you it's really easy, because you just have to choose among your contacts, to make a phone call and one of your available girl will come to your place. I am sure you even don't talk about the price, you just let the money near her clothes at the end of the session or after the night. That's what I do anyway. So we even don't need to look for new girls, we just have to choose among the old one we already knew.

This Summer the first month I was there, I tried to get some new girls. I got two new one: I got a kind of 5-6 quality girls. Fortunately I have my old ones 7-8, otherwise it would have been a nightmare.

[MasterHoMaster]

Has anyone had any luck in backpage? It's obvious that there are the usual agencies spamming there but has anyone found a semi pro there? Or even ordered a girl from an agency off backpage?

[Volpone]

Has anyone had any luck in backpage? It's obvious that there are the usual agencies spamming there but has anyone found a semi pro there? Or even ordered a girl from an agency off backpage?Last year I did, but just once. She was a cute 22 years old blond girl and her service was very good. She didn't speed up, I took my time and we talked a bit after sex.

Cunnilingus, Kissing and sex included in the price, needed to pay an extra for BBBJ. She was working for a pimp and getting the half of the amount I paid. Around 60 $ for 1 hour.

It must have been one bad week where I could surely not get a quality girl for a low price on Mamba, so I decided to spend a bit more money as usual and to help the pimp to survive too and to be able to buy an Iphone one day.

[MasterHoMaster]

Last year I did, but just once. She was a cute 22 years old blond girl and her service was very good. She didn't speed up, I took my time and we talked a bit after sex.

Cunnilingus, Kissing and sex included in the price, needed to pay an extra for BBBJ. She was working for a pimp and getting the half of the amount I paid. Around 60 $ for 1 hour.

It must have been one bad week where I could surely not get a quality girl for a low price on Mamba, so I decided to spend a bit more money as usual and to help the pimp to survive too and to be able to buy an Iphone one day.You spoke to them in English, both the person who picked up the phone and the girl? Was it a bait and switch per the backpage ad?

Thanks for answering.

[Volpone]

You spoke to them in English, both the person who picked up the phone and the girl? Was it a bait and switch per the backpage ad?

Thanks for answering.It wasn't a bait and switch as I got a similar girl to the one on the photos and a good quality of service. I usually don't use backpage, because it's too expensive for Kiev and half of the money goes to the pimp. I also notice that it's even more pricey this year than last year. I prefer using Mamba, but it's sometimes pretty tough to get a decent price on Mamba, so you can end up without sex during a few days and more.

I could communicate with him in English on What's up, just by typing.

Anyway expect everything with backpage or Mamba or other escorts websites, you can get the best or the worst. Never believe what you see as photos, never believe, what they say. Just make everything clear again when the girl is in your flat. And if she agrees with your desires, it should be ok. If not, just open the door and send her away by paying the taxi.

[BobSmith1]

It wasn't a bait and switch as I got a similar girl to the one on the photos and a good quality of service. I usually don't use backpage, because it's too expensive for Kiev and half of the money goes to the pimp. I also notice that it's even more pricey this year than last year. I prefer using Mamba, but it's sometimes pretty tough to get a decent price on Mamba, so you can end up without sex during a few days and more.

I could communicate with him in English on What's up, just by typing.

Anyway expect everything with backpage or Mamba or other escorts websites, you can get the best or the worst. Never believe what you see as photos, never believe, what they say. Just make everything clear again when the girl is in your flat. And if she agrees with your desires, it should be ok. If not, just open the door and send her away by paying the taxi.The girls in Kiev backpage is charging San Francisco price. WTF. Where can I find some local price girls in Kiev.

Thank you.

[Volpone]

The girls in Kiev backpage is charging San Francisco price. WTF. Where can I find some local price girls in Kiev.

Thank you.Thanks BobSmith for your info about the similar prices between San Francisco and Kiev. By the way I didn't know that the inhabitants of San Francisco earn about 200-300 $ a month)))).

Prices for sex are so much better for any male in San Francisco than in Kiev.

If you read the forum BobSmith, you have surely noticed that we talk a lot about Mamba. You can subscribe for free on that website and search girls that are looking for a sponsor. These girls have usually no pimp and get the full amount of money. The deal will be different with every girls.

Another option for cheap sex is some apartments in the center. There you can really have a low price for 1 hour sex, but the quality is also low. There are some other apartments where girls are better quality from 1200 UAH till 2800 UAH for 1 hour. BBBJ is usually an extra.

If you subscribe on this website, you would be able to contact members of this forum and members that might be right now in Kiev.

[Sorbonne]

For Gia users,

Gia is known as an agency where their photos are real and the girl in the photos shows up without fail.

However, have any of you noticed somethimg phony about this agency? Anything?

For example, has any of you had an experience in which the girl you want is never available to the point where you suspect that she doesn't even exist?

In this case it's a form of bait and swtich.

[BobSmith1]

Average monthly income in San Francisco range from $2400 McDonald or Walmart to as high as $20,000 or more for some high end programmers. The normal is about $4500/ month I think. The girls here charge about $300 to $400 per hour. I see girls charging $200 to $250 in Kiev, that's why I said that. Those charging $300 to $400 in San Francisco may not be necessary to better looking for better service though. I can find someone younger and better service like 2 hours away from the center. I usually avoid those high price girls. They may not be as good as their price listed. Since I live here for a long long time, I know how to pick and choose girls here. But I have no idea about Kiev. I know I can apply the same theory but who knows. I take a look at relaxkiev and seems straight forward. Can I trust relaxer. I will go for 1200 uah or above. By the ways, the girls her do 15 min or half hour options. About 50% of the girls can do BBBJ for around $100 to $140 for 15 min. During recession, it was the best time. So many girls on the market. I went to those 3rd tier cities where girls are cheap and do a lot of different things like Sacramento to Stockton. They do Greek and BBBJ for cheap like around $100 for 15 min to 20 min. Recession was the best time. I love recession. When is it going to come again?

[TeFab456]

A few words about Backpage: The site clearly caters to expats in Kiev, so the prices vary from fairly usual escort rates to more expensive offers. I have met some girls from the more expensive ranks. As far as I can tell they were just intelligent enough to figure out their real worth. One is an independent, as far as I came to believe her. One works for an agency, apparently a fairly good one.

This week I had two meetings from Backpage from the mid price range.

One was a very nice and slim blonde. Price 1900 UAH including BBBJ (not to the end). She enjoyed the hour, and made me enjoy it.

Second attempt within the cheaper segment was ill fated: instead of the supposed girl on the photo they sent 3 ladies to pick from. I declined, also refused to pay for the taxi.

Useless to give names since they change all the time anyway.

I had more interesting encounters through Tinder (for context: I am Italian, 50 years old, good build, agreeable looks).

Brunette, 23, from outside of Kiev. 3000 UAH for one evening. Nice girl with a beautiful face, wonderful breasts, a little heavy in the middle. Cute to talk too, showed me basically her entire phone, heard many interesting things about her life. She stayed for 3 or 4 hours, I finished twice, she did BBBJ and CIM. She also allowed for bareback fucking. I was willing to take the risk, as it seemed to be not too high. And her butt was just irresistible when we were in the shower together.

Two other meetings from Tinder did not lead to sex, in one case because of mutual lack of attraction, second case because of lack of time. It was my last evening. This would have needed more patience, but seemed very promising (30 years old, brunette, very slim body, sexy ass).

[Jojosun]

For Gia users,

Gia is known as an agency where their photos are real and the girl in the photos shows up without fail.

However, have any of you noticed somethimg phony about this agency? Anything?

For example, has any of you had an experience in which the girl you want is never available to the point where you suspect that she doesn't even exist?

In this case it's a form of bait and swtich.In my 2, 3 experiences going back 7 years ago, the girls that I wanted weren't available and they happened to be the most attractive on their site at the time. Very good job as well as it saved me western money paid to monger with girls in Kiev with half of it going to Pimps.

What put me off as well, the grumpy sounding woman manning their phone lines at the time.

[Volpone]

But I have no idea about Kiev. I know I can apply the same theory but who knows. I take a look at relaxkiev and seems straight forward. Can I trust relaxer. I will go for 1200 uah or above. By the ways, the girls her do 15 min or half hour options. Recession was the best time. I love recession. When is it going to come again?Well here there is no recession in Kiev, it's still pretty easy to find a job, but salaries are very low, the lowest in Europe with Moldavia. Most of the people get around 100-300 $ a month.

You can try to use relax or some other escort websites here. You are right not going for the cheapest option, that would bring you most of the time disappointment. Around 1000-1200 UAH for 1 hour, you should get at least an average quality girl. Be aware that you will have to pay 200 UAH for the taxi and extra for BBBJ. It will depends on the girl, but I think you might expect at least 400-600 UAH and more. Kisses, CIM, 69 are usually an extra, it will depends on the girl. Many girls only come for 1 hour. I don't know if you can do that with escorts, but the 30 minutes option is available in brothels flats.

A cheap option would be to go to some cheap apartments like I did. If you are not so concerned about the quality, well you can have a fuck for 4-600 UAH for one hour. If you don't speak a bit Russian, it might be a problem to get the address.

The best option would be Mamba. Quite many girls speak English or at least a bit. These girls have usually no pimp and prices goes from 600 till 5000 UAH for one hour, it depends on the girls and how you look, who you are, if they need money and many other factors. Just read some old reports and you will know everything about Mamba.

By the way it's better to bargain and pay in UAH.

If you are looking for cheap options, avoid Strip Clubs.

[Volpone]

But I have no idea about Kiev. I know I can apply the same theory but who knows. I take a look at relaxkiev and seems straight forward. Can I trust relaxer. I will go for 1200 uah or above. By the ways, the girls her do 15 min or half hour options. Recession was the best time.Another and easy option is to stroll on Basseina around 6-7 PM or later. One guy should approach you and bring you to an apartment around there. They should have quite lovely girls in these flats and you can ask for 30 minutes. Expect a price around 1000-2500 UAH for one hour and you will have to pay for any extra.

[Deer1234]

Please recommend some strip clubs in Kiev to take out a dancer.

[CastOnThis]

Please recommend some strip clubs in Kiev to take out a dancer.I was a frequent visitor of strip clubs until my last trip. Which was several months ago. Strip clubs have become full of ugly women that want tips and won't leave you alone till they get tips. Some even go so far to put their hands on you and try to take money out. Not a good thing, unless the women were actually attractive-which they are not! I visited all the strip clubs in Arena, Dolls, Flirt house, penthouse, paradise cabaret. Many strip clubs. The best women are where the "money" is and that is paradise cabaret. But taking out will depend on your negotiation skills and even then the price is "fixed". Remember the thing about Ukrainians is they believe they are equal to Germany and they charge a lot of money. Only real difference is that Germans have a work ethic, many Ukrainians-especially strippers-don't have that work ethic.

[Tits_Lover]

Hi guys.

Wanted to report some experience I had in past months during 3 trips I had in Kiev, it might be helpful.

I always rent an apartment in the center through some local rental agency: it is cheap, great service, airport pickup, everything you need. You land and get to your place, no hotel hassle, no doormen and you do all you want to do.

You get a local (Kiev Start) SIM card for a few EUR to get data connection so that you can run messaging app and use map to move a bit around (if you need). I don't speak a work of the local languages so it is bit harder.

Home work: VERY IMPORTANT. You need to spend weeks and months on sites like mamba in order to collect numbers from local independent girls. Usual technique I always tell I am in Kiev already and want to meet, I negotiate all details and all I need.

This way you can scream out the fake profiles and agencies (many acting as single girl) if you are not interested in them. You need a solid 40-50 numbers of "ready to meet" girls. Two days before flying, you can start your lineup messaging them giving.

Dates / time for a meeting. This way you filter down to only those available and ready to meet. Then you fly in and enjoy your time. Some dates will not happen but you have enough to keep you busy. I still find enjoyable and affordable to have such get away in Kiev.

I usually spend 5-7 days basically banging at home all I can (more quality than quantity) and without moving out much because I visited already the city in past trips with some regular local GF. I like skinny but busty, blond and young (18-24) types.

But I ended up banging a few out of my usual range, one was a great experience (to be repeated) and one was to forget (not my type) but I can share her name because I am sure someone will enjoy. She is Kisa on mamba (claiming 23): skinny and easy going.

She is actually a real nympho who offer all services (OWW, CIM, A, etc) and enjoy SM as well (she showed some mask and gag device), She was complaining that guys prefer to masturbate in front of a porn rather than banging her. She needs sex h24.

By face and breast she is not my type but if you like a no holes barred who can take some hard pumping then she can be your girl. She complimented me with a "you can fuck very good" which boosted my ego but I let her go after the first round because I.

Was too horny to kick her out when she arrived.

Mamba requires time, there are some hidden gems (I am working on one planning to see her for a night next time after she ditched me the first time, few months of being in touch via messaging) and some very nice girls who enjoy some sex company and nice.

To chat with. Of course there are also lots of fake profiles but you can filter them out with 70-80% rate of success.

I am working on a new custom technique on how to scout some nice girls but cannot share yet the details because it is an on going project But something is working. It takes time as for the PL dude taking language lessons. It will pay off.

Hope my report was helpful for someone.

Enjoy Kiev and the girls.

[Deer1234]

The best women are where the "money" is and that is paradise cabaret. But taking out will depend on your negotiation skills and even then the price is "fixed". Thank you for your advice. I will look for other places than strip. I was suggested "Chi" club but Decadence, in which Chi is located, seems to exclude non-Russian foreigners, as does Skybar. I am an Asian.

How about Shooters, Arena, D'lux, Coyote ugly saloon, Caribbean club? Pro- or Semi-pro are OK, as far as they are young and nice looking, although I prefer non-pro.

Mamba is interesting but I cannot waste a week in Kiev for fakes.

I respect Germans but FKK may be too outright for me. I would prefer meeting one-to-one in my apartment room.

[Enjoy37]

Hello fellas,

This is my first visit to Kiev and I thought I would share a few thoughts with you:

1) I agree with what many think as well: Before you come to Kiev. Do your homework (unless you speak the language. I guess then you can find your way around).

2) Kiev is safe and people are helpful and friendly for what I've seen so far.

3) The prices here are too high! I don't understand the guys who pay $300 to these girls when wit the exchange rates it should be a lot more affordable for foreigners.

I mean. Then what's the point of coming here in the first place. Yes. There are attractive women here, but IMHO the average is the same as anywhere else but to pay Western prices in Western currencies makes NO sense to me.

My recommendation is that we all should not accept and turn down those offers and do some hardball negotiation for a few weeks (1000/ hour, 5000 a night or so) and put some sense into the scene here).

4) Visited Rio: 300 cover, 500 private dance (2 songs) and take out was offered at $300 (3 hours and covered BJ). I respectfully declined.

5) Plus is that food and drinks are very affordable.

6) All in all I must agree: Is it worth spending hours / days online before your visit and not knowing which action you will get?

The mongering in other places seems a lot fairer and cheaper.

[Tomas11]

Hi guys,

Finally got a kick in the ass from the fellow member to write a report and here is my report, I hope it will help someone.

What's working now:

http://ukrgo.com/ locals at local prices, it is difficult to negotiate if you don't speak fluent Russian and know how to get around Kiev, however you can find gems there from time to time at cheap prices. 400 UHR blowjobs etc.

http://www.kiev-x.in/index.php field reports from local punters, however all best providers are hidden so you will get only breadcrumbs from the table.

vk.com various groups. Sex znakomstva Kiev and others, you have to have account on vk to message girls. Some amateur providers, still it is hit or miss, lots of scams.

Scams:

If someone tells you address and you go to the place, then they ask you to deposit money at the terminal it is a scam. Any prepayment for any reason is a scam.

Don't go to Troeschina alone, unless you need an adrenaline rush.

Try to invite all girls to your place this way you won't waste your time with salons that advertise like amateur girls, only once you come to her apartment you realize it is a salon with ugly girls.

Most fake salons are on Krasnormeiskaja around Vladimirski Market or Metro station Palats Ukraine, salons with better girls are around Pechersk station. Still, you can find some gems in salons but they don't stay for long there.

If you stay at a hotel and can't invite the girl to the place for various reasons this hotel you can rent by the hour 10 EUR for 2 h for the business suite (Ukrainian Standards) but clean and bed is OK, hot water etc.

Predslava gostinichnyy kompleks, Predslavynska St, 51, Kyiv, 03150 044 529 4284, they speak only Russian though and you have to pay cash.

Street providers are located close to metro Lisova station, however you have to take a car and do circle rounds. Start with Lisova station and go pass petrol station until the bridge then turn around and go back towards the city until TNK petrol station action starts towards the evening. Girls stay on both sides of the street if you see the girl that you like take her right away because the turnaround is huge. Things can be done in the sauna or in the car. Another spot for streetwalkers is from Ministerstvo transportu on Prospekt Pravdy till metro Shulyavka on both sides of the street, in this spot are mostly students on some days it could be empty.

[CastOnThis]

Thank you for your advice. I will look for other places than strip. I was suggested "Chi" club but Decadence, in which Chi is located, seems to exclude non-Russian foreigners, as does Skybar. I am an Asian.

How about Shooters, Arena, D'lux, Coyote ugly saloon, Caribbean club? Pro- or Semi-pro are OK, as far as they are young and nice looking, although I prefer non-pro.

Mamba is interesting but I cannot waste a week in Kiev for fakes.

I respect Germans but FKK may be too outright for me. I would prefer meeting one-to-one in my apartment room.Are you skinny? If you are skinny you can probably get into tD'Lux with just being well-groomed and dressing well enough. I think the best in Arena for semi-pros is The Bar at Arena, Shooters, and there is a bar close to the place that was once known as Vodka Bar. It is found underground close to the entrance to the supermarket. I don't do bars nor strip clubs. I prefer doing the day approach only real problem is that at Guliver's there are mostly couples. Remember most females are in relationships. That's just the way it is. Usually you can find lot's of attractive women in the underground mall. Normally around four pm is the best time to find them.

[Volpone]

Hello fellas,

This is my first visit to Kiev and I thought I would share a few thoughts with you:

1) I agree with what many think as well: Before you come to Kiev. Do your homework (unless you speak the language. I guess then you can find your way around).

2) Kiev is safe and people are helpful and friendly for what I've seen so far.

3) The prices here are too high! I don't understand the guys who pay $300 to these girls when wit the exchange rates it should be a lot more affordable for foreigners.

I mean. Then what's the point of coming here in the first place. Yes. There are attractive women here, but IMHO the average is the same as anywhere else but to pay Western prices in Western currencies makes NO sense to me.

My recommendation is that we all should not accept and turn down those offers and do some hardball negotiation for a few weeks (1000/ hour, 5000 a night or so) and put some sense into the scene here).

4) Visited Rio: 300 cover, 500 private dance (2 songs) and take out was offered at $300 (3 hours and covered BJ). I respectfully declined.

5) Plus is that food and drinks are very affordable.

6) All in all I must agree: Is it worth spending hours / days online before your visit and not knowing which action you will get?

The mongering in other places seems a lot fairer and cheaper.Such a smart guy. You understand and resume the situation very well. 1000 UAH for one hour with BBBJ or 1500 for 2 hours.

[Deer1234]

at Guliver's there are mostly couples. Remember most females are in relationships. That's just the way it is. Usually you can find lot's of attractive women in the underground mall. Normally around four pm is the best time to find them.Hi Castonthis,

Thanks again for your kind advice again. Guliver seems interesting. How do you pickup (or negotiate with?) the women in the Guliver mall or underground mall? They are normal citizens or semi-pros? If semi-pro, how do you know they are?

[CastOnThis]

Hi Castonthis,

Thanks again for your kind advice again. Guliver seems interesting. How do you pickup (or negotiate with?) the women in the Guliver mall or underground mall? They are normal citizens or semi-pros? If semi-pro, how do you know they are?They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.

[AZN Monger]

Thank you for your advice. I will look for other places than strip. I was suggested "Chi" club but Decadence, in which Chi is located, seems to exclude non-Russian foreigners, as does Skybar. I am an Asian.

How about Shooters, Arena, D'lux, Coyote ugly saloon, Caribbean club? Pro- or Semi-pro are OK, as far as they are young and nice looking, although I prefer non-pro.

Mamba is interesting but I cannot waste a week in Kiev for fakes.

I respect Germans but FKK may be too outright for me. I would prefer meeting one-to-one in my apartment room.I'm also Asian and I've never been turned away at any club or other places with face control. Dress up and look nice. It's Ukraine, you can't look like a slob.

[Volpone]

They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.It can work if you are young and quite good looking and you know how to spot the kind of girls that would agree to go with you, because they are attracted to you. They don't go with you, because you are a foreigner or for money, they just go with you, because that will be fun for them to have sex with a good looking stranger.

[Tomas11]

One of the reason prices in Kiev are expensive because all top shelf pussy are either in Dubai making USD 1000 a day or more or already on a payroll from rich locals who can pay them 1 k a week + car and apartment to depend on him. Their friends know this and think why am I different? I should charge more for my pussy. If you want to meet these type of girls join Tsarsky sports club and you will see what I mean because they don't go to any bars that all of you mention here.

If you want to meet local down to earth girls and have time to chit chat in the malls go to Dream Town in Obolon, Metro Minska or to Sky Mall but you need a taxi to get there. Another one is Ocean Plaza. Gulliver is expensive for most of the local girls.

A recent development is that IT programmers who make good money start to sponsor girls to be with them long term, but they don't fuck them often so these girls are looking for extra fun. Look out for them.

[Enjoy37]

One of the reason prices in Kiev are expensive because all top shelf pussy are either in Dubai making USD 1000 a day or more or already on a payroll from rich locals who can pay them 1 k a week + car and apartment to depend on him. Their friends know this and think why am I different? I should charge more for my pussy. If you want to meet these type of girls join Tsarsky sports club and you will see what I mean because they don't go to any bars that all of you mention here.

If you want to meet local down to earth girls and have time to chit chat in the malls go to Dream Town in Obolon, Metro Minska or to Sky Mall but you need a taxi to get there. Another one is Ocean Plaza. Gulliver is expensive for most of the local girls.

A recent development is that IT programmers who make good money start to sponsor girls to be with them long term, but they don't fuck them often so these girls are looking for extra fun. Look out for them.Thanks for the info Tomas. And you are completely right! However, for us visitors in Kiev it shouldn't make sense to put up with ' their dreams '! If they want to make $1000/ night, they can go to Dubai. And, what makes the girls charging 1600 UAH different from the $300? The problem are the guys that pay them this amount. If every monger would turn anything down that's over $150. They will learn!

[Volpone]

More and more pros on Mamba. It's sad and discouraging. Where are the fresh amateur girls, that make Mamba so special?

I guess that the mafia uses Mamba to get more money, because they don't get enough customers in private flats. Furthermore all the girls I chat with ask me the same price as in Berlin, around 100 euro for 1 hour sex, BBBJ and 69. Forget it. I am glad to have my old contacts)))))).

[LuisVega11]

Going in Kiev nowadays for paying only sex for short trip is something hat should be punished with 5 years of jail minimum.

I don't understand why people insist. You want easy sex? Go to FKK Thailand. Those who come short trip will be scammed as hell and is the right destiny.

Most of all you are simply destroying the market for long term hunters and resident cause every foreigners are now considered bloody shoot by any girl.

That's why they scam and ask money a lot of them, especially if you are unattractive and old.

What you expect? They prefer to earn one time 200 dollar than 6 times 30. And now Kiev is full of eastern Ukrainian rich people from Arabs turks international agency workers who can pay a and pay.

The only think that work is daytime but again it needs skills physical quality and the rest.

Please if you want to pay go somewhere else.

[LuisVega11]

Thanks for the info Tomas. And you are completely right! However, for us visitors in Kiev it shouldn't make sense to put up with ' their dreams '! If they want to make $1000/ night, they can go to Dubai. And, what makes the girls charging 1600 UAH different from the $300? The problem are the guys that pay them this amount. If every monger would turn anything down that's over $150. They will learn!The problem is that Kiev is the capital. Kiev looks poor but has lot of money especially now. An every girl has an instagram account that boost their ego.

Personally I stay long term and only 2 3 months work. Even one month is not enough for good hunting. But the flood of sexual tourist has inflated the market.

In summer I chatted with a booby girl from rivne. She is thin with 3,5 boobs athletic good face, we chat all summer and she looks interested in very little money. She plan to move in Kiev in September 4 and I plan to go the 5. I had problem so I couldn't go before 21. Before she arrive we plan a sponsorship. 600 800 gryvna day. She look super happy at phone. But after I had to put off the trip she become changing. The city become changing her fast.

I know 21 was late probably. 17 she told me she found job in strip. I know she was completely fucked up. I arrive 21, I managed to fuck here twice, but she did, mechanically, I gave her 800 and 600, and after some days she wrote me she wanted 350 dollar every meet. That man pay her 500 dollar only for walking. Bla bla. I said her fuck off and we cancel each number. I saw her instagram she's changing super fast. 3 months ago playing with chicken in garden in village now acting like superstar in some bar in Kiev. But she has bad teeth so and is cheap so she won't have a lot of road in Kiev if she not change faster. But she has potential to be a top, because body is impressive, super thin with so big boobs, very small pussy. Super ass.

Lesson learned: after they arrive in Kiev one week is already late they are fucked up. So it's good travel in some cities found girl to invite in Kiev or found student from outside still not spoiled. As told by another user take metro and go to suburbs, center is spoiled.

Personally Kiev is much better of the country I live so even if its already a mess compared to Yanukovich era I still can't not come back often. In addiction I plan a little artistic business who create to me a little round of friend, man and woman, normal people with culture and good money, who open me to other people and woman.

[LuisVega11]

They are normal girls, but remember Ukrainian girls are filth. Meaning they will try to take advantage of you because you are not one of them. And they are so sexualized they know why you are approaching them. So, stand firm and talk to them like ordinary person. I approach by trying to come off as stupid foreigner that needs help. And then I talk some more, but making chit-chat isn't in their culture so they are hard to get words out. So, I am always very brief with them. Sometimes they say they have a boyfriend, but I just mention so? What he doesn't know can't hurt him and if she mentions she is happy with him, but doesn't walk away. Boom! You got a score, keep chatting, but make it more sexual and not too explicit. I almost always give some amount of money to the girl, depending on her behavior. If she is nice, I ask to see her again and give her 500 UAH, she is bad? 50.Well you are presenting the situation a bitter too easy from what I think and see. Gulliver is upscale. Telling other that you stop a girl ask her to fuck after some chit chat and she come fuck and you give her 500 gryvna only drive many to conclusion that is so easy that planes full of people are boarding direction Gulliver. Please stop spreading this stuff.

[Sean EZ]

More and more pros on Mamba. It's sad and discouraging. Where are the fresh amateur girls, that make Mamba so special?

I guess that the mafia uses Mamba to get more money, because they don't get enough customers in private flats. Furthermore all the girls I chat with ask me the same price as in Berlin, around 100 euro for 1 hour sex, BBBJ and 69. Forget it. I am glad to have my old contacts)))))).Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?

[BellBottomsDJ]

Mamba is inundated with agencies having multiple computers and browsers and phones all open. I have posted a few pages back how to deal with it, but yes it is definitely nowhere near what it used to be.The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?

[Volpone]

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?Never had that issue. Try maybe to get their phone number right away and then you can chat with them on Viber. If you are in Kiev or if you say that you are in Kiev, you should get some phone numbers easily.

However as Mamba is getting worst and worst, it's more wasting time to chat on that website. The good thing with Mamba was to get a non-pro, an amateur girl, a fresh girl that is not in the sex business. You have less and less girls of that kind on Mamba now and furthermore generally speaking prices are rising for a low quality fresh girls. I don't talk about pros, that usually ask 100 euro for sex and BBBJ for one hour (Berlin, Spain prices) After about 10 days chatting on that website, I might get one new fresh amateur student girl tonight. Let's see if I will get a new one or if I still have to call my old ones.

[LuisVega11]

In mamba 100 dollar and more are asked by semi pro in most cases if they not like your profile or your photos.

Personally I have never paid more than 50 dollar for medium quality to good quality. Sure if you look for the top profile they will ask you much more than 100 dollar.

People in my opinion don't realize that's even if Kiev is poor and gryvna is worth nothing, in Kiev there are an army of beautiful cosmopolitan girl who travel the world, have collected much more money than me and many years in their life thanks to their pussy and will never fuck for less than 300 500 dollar.

I wrote if you come in Kiev to deal only with mamba girl stay home or go Thailand. Is totally nonsense. Kiev is left for real professional longer who can stay longer time and can find the real young gem unspoiled.

Most of girl after 19-20 are already fucked up completely. Instagram has destroyed this world and the situation in Kiev is dramatic. Personally I will go in Russia next year to see the difference. I suspect the visa regime has preserved something.

[Volpone]

In mamba 100 dollar and more are asked by semi pro in most cases if they not like your profile or your photos.

Personally I have never paid more than 50 dollar for medium quality to good quality. Sure if you look for the top profile they will ask you much more than 100 dollar.

People in my opinion don't realize that's even if Kiev is poor and gryvna is worth nothing, in Kiev there are an army of beautiful cosmopolitan girl who travel the world, have collected much more money than me and many years in their life thanks to their pussy and will never fuck for less than 300 500 dollar.

I wrote if you come in Kiev to deal only with mamba girl stay home or go Thailand. Is totally nonsense. Kiev is left for real professional longer who can stay longer time and can find the real young gem unspoiled.

Most of girl after 19-20 are already fucked up completely. Instagram has destroyed this world and the situation in Kiev is dramatic. Personally I will go in Russia next year to see the difference. I suspect the visa regime has preserved something.As I wrote I've got my old ones, my old contacts, it means about 10-15 girls that I can get for a good price.

I totally agree with you, coming here for 1 or 2 weeks, it's wasting time. Better to go to Germany or to Spain or to Thailand as you say.

[Vitrea]

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?Same here. They took my $20 and they blocked me also. They said I was sending too many messages. WTF? It is "dating" site. The point is to send messages. They would not unblock me or the IP address. Next time I have to use a VPN.

[Vitrea]

As I wrote I've got my old ones, my old contacts, it means about 10-15 girls that I can get for a good price.

I totally agree with you, coming here for 1 or 2 weeks, it's wasting time. Better to go to Germany or to Spain or to Thailand as you say.Valpone, Where in Spain? I have done Spain a few times. It was hit or miss for me.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Same here. They took my $20 and they blocked me also. They said I was sending too many messages. WTF? It is "dating" site. The point is to send messages. They would not unblock me or the IP address. Next time I have to use a VPN.I tried a few VPNs and I could not get the site to view properly. Mostly the images would not show. If you figure it out, share. I would like to know. I venture the to say the owners of the site aren't the most ethical if they are taking peoples money any blocking them for messages. I'm not a fan of Mamba at this point.

[Tits_Lover]

The issue I have run into on Mamba is getting blacked for discussing sexual proposal. I see everyone on here talking about spending months and months on this site drumming up women, but the moment I sent 3 repeat messages, they blocked my IP address. I finally got them to unblock it, but a few days later they blocked it again and refused to unblock it. I don't get how the women can throw prices and tell you they are hooking, but I get blocked for it. Anyone else have this issue?It did happen to me once. You should avoid to copy / paste the same message to every girl too quickly. Have some various intro and use the girl name to start with.

Avoid to mention sex and money too quickly. Let them come forward, don't use "sex", "USD", etc but maybe "s ex" or "franklin".

If you harass the girls they easily block you and report you which will translate in banning.

Overall this means you need to spend months to prepare your trip. It does pay off.

Too beautiful pics should ring a bell and typically they offer everything in their profiles which probably means it is an agency running the profile.

It takes time.

[Tits_Lover]

I might get one new fresh amateur student girl tonight. Let's see if I will get a new one or if I still have to call my old ones.How was that new one? .

BTW, it is very important to collect phone numbers from every girl and soon you can find out who is managing an agency with fake profiles.

[BellBottomsDJ]

It did happen to me once. You should avoid to copy / paste the same message to every girl too quickly. Have some various intro and use the girl name to start with.

Avoid to mention sex and money too quickly. Let them come forward, don't use "sex", "USD", etc but maybe "s ex" or "franklin".

If you harass the girls they easily block you and report you which will translate in banning.

Overall this means you need to spend months to prepare your trip. It does pay off.

Too beautiful pics should ring a bell and typically they offer everything in their profiles which probably means it is an agency running the profile.

It takes time.Yes, that is exactly what triggered it the first time I was blocked! Sending copy paste. I had to email them and explain "there are only so many different ways I can introduce myself and that copy / paste shouldn't get me blocked". That was the first time. The second was due to sexual propositions and now they directly told me "no" . Anyone know how to change an IP address? Haha. I'm pretty much banned for life I would imagine.

Are the agencies all "$500 an hour" waste of time crap?

[Volpone]

How was that new one? .

BTW, it is very important to collect phone numbers from every girl and soon you can find out who is managing an agency with fake profiles.I got her phone number and I could talk with her on Viber. So she agreed to come to my place at 6 pm. Guess what, she never came and she never explained why she changed her mind. It could not be the price as we never talked about it. Some non-pros do that, they don't want to talk about price. So I just called a girl among my contacts and I had a good time for a good price.

I am happy to have some old contacts, otherwise I could wank or going to a massage salon.

[EnricoMacias]

I did not search anything on the street because there are thousands of Arabs, Egyptian, Turks are already staring girls and stopping them.

That time I realized that the best girls of Ukraine are taken by local rich people. The remaining best girls are travelling to dubai, France, Maldives as a suitcase of a rich Arab, or European thanks to social media like Instagram.

The ones that we are chatting are the rest and most probably the worst of the product.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-visa-free-travel-ukraine-georgia-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.

[Riina]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-visa-free-travel-ukraine-georgia-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.Where do guys think they are most likely to work? Italy Spain?

[Sorbonne]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-visa-free-travel-ukraine-georgia-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease."Under the deal, visa requirements may be reintroduced if there is a surge of citizens from a non-EU country such as Ukraine or Georgia staying irregularly in EU territory. ".

This makes it sound like the deal would make the girls to think it's better to go west ASAP before the visa requirements are reintroduced!

[Sorbonne]

Where do guys think they are most likely to work? Italy Spain?Well, I know they like warmer countries like Italy or Spain but should also know the state of economy there. So maybe Germany?

But it is actually illegal for German employers in the industry to hire them, as the industry is legal and regulated in Germany. I wonder how this is going to play out.

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.

[Jojosun]

Well, I know they like warmer countries like Italy or Spain but should also know the state of economy there. So maybe Germany?

But it is actually illegal for German employers in the industry to hire them, as the industry is legal and regulated in Germany. I wonder how this is going to play out.

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.Getting away from Kiev cheaply will be a another deciding factor.

Looking at a budget carrier such as https://wizzair.com/#/ it already flies to 5 cities in Germany.

For pros and semi pros the prices for sex in Germany is low so its not very tempting unless mongers there want a change from Romanian and Bulgarian girls dominating the FKK Scene there, but like you said UA girls won't be able to work there legally as its regulated.

If the UK was a member of the Schingen zone,. UA girls and pimps would've flooded London much in the same way as Poles and Romanians did since their. Countries joined the EU with no restrictions on visas and Work including Prostitution which is legal in the UK.

Brexit will end it within 2 years with less supply and higher prices for sex in London.

Cheers.

[Riina]

In any case I seriously hope that this is not the beginning of the end for OUR Kiev as we know it.The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.

[CallSign Papa]

Only time will really tell as to what the lifting of visa restrictions will do to talent in Kiev. Ultimately, the top tier girls won't be affected, they already travel whenever they want thanks to their network of eager sponsors.

I'm not really sure that middle tier girls are really going to be too in demand in the EU. Go to any major city in Europe and they're replete with a damn good display of hot girls. And let's not forget, for every girl that leaves Kiev for distant shores, there is a steady supply of village girls waiting to fill her place, either at universities or offices in the capital.

The simple fact is that (as I have stated repeatedly) for the first time visitor, Kiev is not a good destination. The language, the rising prices, the growing resentment and suspicion towards sex tourists will all create frustration. And we haven't even gotten to Trump and his buddy Putin, "there may be trouble ahead".

[EnricoMacias]

I gave the bad news so I want to contribute also.

For instance: I have been working in Qatar since December-2012 and I just completed 4 years.

Qatar does not allow any Ukraine citizen to visit Qatar.

Of course there are Ukrainian people here:

-most of them works for Qatar Airways as crew.

-others works in hospitality sector in hotels.

I have plenty of Ukrainian girlfriends here but they are so smart because thousands of Arab millionaires are in service of these diamonds in the dessert. I observed that these girls helps their citizens to come / work in Qatar but the girls which arrives Qatar has already discovered their overestimated value in Qatar Stock Market. I am following around 500 crews in instagram, Arab rich are opening champagne in dohas nights clubs which is minimum 250 usd.

To sum up:

The girls which promotes themselves in instagram, has the enough savings to leave Ukraine.

The other girls which can contact foreigner via internet, can save a few hundreds to travel. Or they can find a fool monger like me all around the world and this fool will pay the cost of travel.

The remaining will be just a silly lady even if they are pretty, I would not prefer to be together such an idiot.

R. I. P. Ukraine mongering.

[Bimbo Boy]

Hello,

I have now been living in Kiev for 2 years and I speak some Russian.
I can tell you that Kiev is a paradiise for mongers because:
- the girls are the prettiest in the world.
- foreigners are still in high value.
- there is a very scarce supply of interesting local men.
- plus the girls have very sweet and conservative personnalities, not like the feminist bitches so common in the West.

As a result, if you know how to approach the women, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Especially the girls that do not know English and there are many, especially out of Kiev city center.
Of course, the girls that know English and know how to market themselves out of Ukraine can command international prices.
Nearly all of my Ukrainian businessmen friends have wives or girlfriends that were born after they graduated from High School.

See here my present girlfriend. She is 25 and I am more than twice her age.
Regards.

Bimbo Boy.


I gave the bad news so I want to contribute also.
For instance: I have been working in Qatar since December-2012 and I just completed 4 years.
Qatar does not allow any Ukraine citizen to visit Qatar.
Of course there are Ukrainian people here:
-most of them works for Qatar Airways as crew.
-others works in hospitality sector in hotels.
I have plenty of Ukrainian girlfriends here but they are so smart because thousands of Arab millionaires are in service of these diamonds in the dessert. I observed that these girls helps their citizens to come / work in Qatar but the girls which arrives Qatar has already discovered their overestimated value in Qatar Stock Market. I am following around 500 crews in instagram, Arab rich are opening champagne in dohas nights clubs which is minimum 250 usd.
To sum up:
The girls which promotes themselves in instagram, has the enough savings to leave Ukraine.
The other girls which can contact foreigner via internet, can save a few hundreds to travel. Or they can find a fool monger like me all around the world and this fool will pay the cost of travel.
The remaining will be just a silly lady even if they are pretty, I would not prefer to be together such an idiot.
R. I. P. Ukraine mongering.

[Bimbo Boy]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussies are trying to hook a local wealthy man, that will provide for her. When he dumps her, it is usually with the gift of an apartment and a Porsche Cayenne.

Why go for western salarymen when you can get an rich local man?

[Sorbonne]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.Sounds true.

Such enterprising pros could create their own websites and come to spend 3 months (at a time in EU.

That's a scary thought.

[Sorbonne]

The quality girls that are serious about selling their pussy would have no reason to prostitute themselves in their own poor country. They can now easily establish reputations and relationships in Western cities.But I'm not after such pros to begin with.

The question is what will happen to semi-pros and normal girls.

The bright side is that if you have girlfriends in Kiev, you can more easily bring them to EU countries.

[Tits_Lover]

I got her phone number and I could talk with her on Viber. So she agreed to come to my place at 6 pm. Guess what, she never came and she never explained why she changed her mind. It could not be the price as we never talked about it. Some non-pros do that, they don't want to talk about price. So I just called a girl among my contacts and I had a good time for a good price.
I am happy to have some old contacts, otherwise I could wank or going to a massage salon.Shit happens That's the risk of having little time and trying to line up a few dates. One can screw it all.

Still some gems out there available for digging.

[Volpone]

Shit happens That's the risk of having little time and trying to line up a few dates. One can screw it all.

Still some gems out there available for digging.Not really. I don't have little time. I have been here for 3 weeks. I have plenty of time. For me it's not a big deal. I have many old contacts, so if I want, I can have sex every day for a price around 1000 UAH for 1-2 hours.

Imagine if I were counting on Mamba and I had no old contacts, I could wank. Just be aware guys, that Mamba does not work like before, and by before, I mean even this last Summer was still pretty good as I could still get some new talents. Of course if you pay 100 $ and up for 1 hour, you can still get some new one and of course for a lower price you can still get some cheapest one that look like less than average (4,5 or 6 in quality).

[Volpone]

Hello,

I have now been living in Kiev for 2 years and I speak some Russian.

- plus the girls have very sweet and conservative personnalities, not like the feminist bitches so common in the West.

As a result, if you know how to approach the women, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Especially the girls that do not know English and there are many, especially out of Kiev city center.
Of course, the girls that know English and know how to market themselves out of Ukraine can command international prices.
Nearly all of my Ukrainian businessmen friends have wives or girlfriends that were born after they graduated from High School.

See here my present girlfriend. She is 25 and I am more than twice her age.
Regards.

Bimbo Boy.It seems to me that you are a bit off topic. Guys here are looking for sex, for newbies that agree to have sex at the first meeting. They don't want to learn Russian and to seduce, to court a girl during weeks or months. They usually stay here for a few days or a few weeks.

If you have been living here for 2 years, you surely know some flats with pretty girls for a decent price. You could give us the addresses in private. You also might know some Russian websites, that we could use to meet non-pros, amateur girls that are looking for paying sex. That would be useful on a prostitution forum, far more than finding a wife or a girlfriend.

[NoMarriage]

Hi all,

I just got back from a wonderful 5 week trip to Medellin and visited Cartagena for 1 week. I know a lot in Medellin about the casas, the street actions in various places, and the prices for all nighters. Because I have learned Spanish, I consider getting a good deal. I get all nighters for 100 dollars and 2 or 3 hours for 50.

I wanted to know how Kiev, and how Ukraine is like. Prices for outsiders who don't speak the language, 2 their attitudes vs girls in Medellin, or just whatever you want to throw out there. I can post pics of hot girls in Medellin later on but any comparison or help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[Danish Traveler]

Speak for yourself. I have been coming back and forth to Ukraine for six years. I am in love with the culture and culture of the country too. I like the roughness of the country. And that in this country they like men to be men, and it is a mans job to seduce his girl. A friend of mine described to get an ukrainian girl is like training a horse. It is very different that in western countries. And that is a skill you have to learn.

Over the years I met maybe 50 people from the forum. Almost of them has been cool guys that I like to have a drink with.

I do not go to apartments to buy prostitutes. I will say maybe only 10-20 percent of the guys I met from Forum hire girls this way. Most like the hunt. And if it comes to it probably do not mind giving the girl some sponsor money or gifts. After all this is the slavic way. While older men can have young devushkas half our age.

And no I will not give you any adresses. You will find them anyway quite easily. Men will stand on Kreschatyk around Arena and give you businesscards for these brothels. You can just ask for them to show you the places. And they will take you to a place with 15-20 girls to choose from.

But again most of us are not here for this. And this is not a prostitution forum. What do you say Jackson?


It seems to me that you are a bit off topic. Guys here are looking for sex, for newbies that agree to have sex at the first meeting. They don't want to learn Russian and to seduce, to court a girl during weeks or months. They usually stay here for a few days or a few weeks.

If you have been living here for 2 years, you surely know some flats with pretty girls for a decent price. You could give us the addresses in private. You also might know some Russian websites, that we could use to meet non-pros, amateur girls that are looking for paying sex. That would be useful on a prostitution forum, far more than finding a wife or a girlfriend.

[Riina]

Speak for yourself. I have been coming back and forth to Ukraine for six years. I am in love with the culture and culture of the country too. I like the roughness of the country. And that in this country they like men to be men, and it is a mans job to seduce his girl. A friend of mine described to get an ukrainian girl is like training a horse. It is very different that in western countries. And that is a skill you have to learn.

Over the years I met maybe 50 people from the forum. Almost of them has been cool guys that I like to have a drink with.

I do not go to apartments to buy prostitutes. I will say maybe only 10-20 percent of the guys I met from Forum hire girls this way. Most like the hunt. And if it comes to it probably do not mind giving the girl some sponsor money or gifts. After all this is the slavic way. While older men can have young devushkas half our age.

And no I will not give you any adresses. You will find them anyway quite easily. Men will stand on Kreschatyk around Arena and give you businesscards for these brothels. You can just ask for them to show you the places. And they will take you to a place with 15-20 girls to choose from.

But again most of us are not here for this. And this is not a prostitution forum. What do you say Jackson?I agree with you but ultimately it's the prostitutes that keep most men from having a miserable time in Kiev.

[MasterHoMaster]

Hello all degenerate mongers,

I will be in Kiev in a week for 3 days for some debauchery. I was hoping you experienced members here would share your contacts with me: I am looking for blond women. Please send me a private message and I will appreciate it greatly.

[NoMarriage]

Hello all degenerate mongers,

I will be in Kiev in a week for 3 days for some debauchery. I was hoping you experienced members here would share your contacts with me: I am looking for blond women. Please send me a private message and I will appreciate it greatly.I was hoping for the same. I hate going not knowing a thing. Please PM me too with the info.

Thanks.

[Volpone]

Speak for yourself. I have been coming back and forth to Ukraine for six years. I am in love with the culture and culture of the country too. I like the roughness of the country. And that in this country they like men to be men, and it is a mans job to seduce his girl. A friend of mine described to get an ukrainian girl is like training a horse. It is very different that in western countries. And that is a skill you have to learn.

Over the years I met maybe 50 people from the forum. Almost of them has been cool guys that I like to have a drink with.

I do not go to apartments to buy prostitutes. I will say maybe only 10-20 percent of the guys I met from Forum hire girls this way. Most like the hunt. And if it comes to it probably do not mind giving the girl some sponsor money or gifts. After all this is the slavic way. While older men can have young devushkas half our age.

And no I will not give you any adresses. You will find them anyway quite easily. Men will stand on Kreschatyk around Arena and give you businesscards for these brothels. You can just ask for them to show you the places. And they will take you to a place with 15-20 girls to choose from.

But again most of us are not here for this. And this is not a prostitution forum. What do you say Jackson?Mea culpa! Sorry, if I integrated you and it wasn't your point of view.

When this forum didn't exist, I was already strolling and hunting in Kiev and in some other cities in Ukraine. However I didn't know, that you just need to stay outside the center to find bunches of girls attracted and craving to meet foreigners. Good to know! That remembers me the years around 2000.)))).

About the addresses, well I can do the job by myself on Ukrainian websites or forum. By the way flats are not only around Bessarabski, where a guy takes the newbies by the hand and lead them to some private flats. You can find them also in Petchersk, near Olimpinskaia, Xreshatik, Maidan, Politecknichni institut, Plocha Lva tolstovo and some other places in Kiev in center or outside. The one I mentionned are the one I visited last year and 2 years ago.

I think your 10-20% versus 90-80% is surely an acurate estimation. Interesting also to see that you have some addresses of private apartments.

[Vitrea]

Speak for yourself. I have been coming back and forth to Ukraine for six years. I am in love with the culture and culture of the country too. I like the roughness of the country. And that in this country they like men to be men, and it is a mans job to seduce his girl. A friend of mine described to get an ukrainian girl is like training a horse. It is very different that in western countries. And that is a skill you have to learn.

Over the years I met maybe 50 people from the forum. Almost of them has been cool guys that I like to have a drink with.

I do not go to apartments to buy prostitutes. I will say maybe only 10-20 percent of the guys I met from Forum hire girls this way. Most like the hunt. And if it comes to it probably do not mind giving the girl some sponsor money or gifts. After all this is the slavic way. While older men can have young devushkas half our age.

And no I will not give you any adresses. You will find them anyway quite easily. Men will stand on Kreschatyk around Arena and give you businesscards for these brothels. You can just ask for them to show you the places. And they will take you to a place with 15-20 girls to choose from.

But again most of us are not here for this. And this is not a prostitution forum. What do you say Jackson?I am not a Ukraine expert but in general you have the numbers off. Most guys on this forum DO NOT hunt. They prefer to pay and have hassle free sex with a hottie and have fun without wasting too much time.

And yes this is a prostitution forum. Jackson is very clear on that.

You have it perfect and I am happy for you. But that is not a what a guy visiting Kiev for a week should expect.

In general, my expereince is more in line with Volpone's take on Kiev.

[Vitrea]

I agree with you but ultimately it's the prostitutes that keep most men from having a miserable time in Kiev.Ha, Ha. So true and well said.

[Vitrea]

At Nomarraige and Masterhomaster.

I don't have have girl phone numbers but I have the number for a guy that speaks english and can take you apartments. That can be a good start and like Riina said, might keep you from being miserable.

I used him. He is trustworthy.

PM me if you like.

[KSensations]

Hi to all!

I am a new member, starting from today, located in Kyiv, Ukraine.

I am a guy, 26 yo. One of my hobbies is to help our foreign friends and tourists during their visits to Kiev.

I can be useful with accommodation and sightseeing issues and, of course, the most interesting. I have several good and young student-girls who just need some money.

To clarify. I am not offering an escort / salon / professional girls and meetings for an hour. Just good girls, who meet foreigners time-to-time for good money.

If you are interested in this kind of services. Let me know via PM and then. Email / viber / whatsapp.

About all prices and model of our cooperation. I prefer to discuss it in PM. But no advance and virtual payments, of course!

With me you can be confident about serious meetings with marvelous girls!

Don't hesitate to contact me.

[KSensations]

Hello all degenerate mongers,

I will be in Kiev in a week for 3 days for some debauchery. I was hoping you experienced members here would share your contacts with me: I am looking for blond women. Please send me a private message and I will appreciate it greatly.I can help you with this issue. Could you give me more details about the girls and approximate budget?

We can discuss in the PM. Will wait!

===============================================

Greetings,

It appears from your post that you don't quite understand the Forum's Private Message service.

To use the Forum's Private Message service, both you and the Forum Member you are trying to contact must be either a subscriber or a Senior Member.

For more information, please read: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/ISG_Payments.php

If you cannot afford $20 dollars to buy a subscription, then perhaps you can convince another forum member to purchase a subscription for you.

Jackson

[Arkiloko]

About the addresses, well I can do the job by myself on Ukrainian websites or forum. By the way flats are not only around Bessarabski, where a guy takes the newbies by the hand and lead them to some private flats. You can find them also in Petchersk, near Olimpinskaia, Xreshatik, Maidan, Politecknichni institut, Plocha Lva tolstovo and some other places in Kiev in center or outside. The one I mentionned are the one I visited last year and 2 years ago.Guys maybe I'm rusty but I've been two time in Kiev and I didn't find an apartment or brothel. Just once a guy at bessarabik stopped us telling something about apartment. But really he didn't look so safe to go. Nobody gave us card or business card for apartments or brothel. We were two guys, around 40, clearly euro tourists.

The other time in Kiev I was with an Ukrainian girlfriend and I can understand nobody came to invite me, but anyway I didn't see anything interesting.

So come on give some advice, so next time I'll be there waiting for my girl I'll have a good and safe place to go.

[CastOnThis]

Guys maybe I'm rusty but I've been two time in Kiev and I didn't find an apartment or brothel. Just once a guy at bessarabik stopped us telling something about apartment. But really he didn't look so safe to go. Nobody gave us card or business card for apartments or brothel. We were two guys, around 40, clearly eurotourists.

The other time in Kiev I was with an ukrainian girlfriend and I can understand nobody came to invite me, but anyway I didn't see anything interesting.
So come on give some advice... so next time i'll be there waiting for my girl i'll have a good and safe place to goThe taxi drivers outside of Arena City know where to take you. But they are too expensive, something like 7 k UAH for just an hour. Totally not worth it.

[NoMarriage]

Can I get some prices in Kiev? And Odessa? I am considering Medellin again. I got some super hot girls there and they satisfy you. Its 50 for 2+ hours and 100 -120 USD for all night but the girl is super hot.

[Volpone]

Well guys, I will not give you some addresses of private apartments as just 10-20% of the members here are interested in brothels. However I had a nice time in a massage place yesterday. In the center not far from Gulliver, a smiling girl, that's important, because so many are not happy to do their job, decent price (at least the massage I chose), good quality of service and the best massage place I have ever been here in Kiev. In the last years I tried about 6-7 of them and most of the time I didn't enjoy so much the erotic part. I was surprised in this one and I let you discover it. With the cold weather now, it's such a pleasure.

http://alluremassage.net/en/

[Bimbo Boy]

It seems to me that you are a bit off topic. Guys here are looking for sex, for newbies that agree to have sex at the first meeting. They don't want to learn Russian and to seduce, to court a girl during weeks or months. They usually stay here for a few days or a few weeks.
If you have been living here for 2 years, you surely know some flats with pretty girls for a decent price. You could give us the addresses in private. You also might know some Russian websites, that we could use to meet non-pros, amateur girls that are looking for paying sex. That would be useful on a prostitution forum, far more than finding a wife or a girlfriend.Hello Volpone,

You are right, I am more into girlfriends than prostitutes.

Here is my advice for Kiev. Load the UKLON Taxi app. It is great for going around in Kiev, even if you do not speak Russian. You will get much better prices than the bandits waiting for tourists in Kreshatik. Some taxi drivers are nice, speak English, and they know the city. Ask then to take you to good places for sex. Of course, you might pay a little more at the beginning, but with trial and error, you will find a good and helpful driver.

There is no use in giving you addresses of flats, because these change all the time, and quality varies all the time.

If you are looking for non-pros, then check the website www.travelgirls.com ; these are non-pros willing to travel for sex. Propose to meet them in Kiev, in order to see if there is a fit, before a nice trip abroad. Basically these girls sell their bodies for some luxury and an iphone.

Regards.

[SusanDavid]

Hi to all!

I am a new member, starting from today, located in Kyiv, Ukraine.

I am a guy, 26 yo. One of my hobbies is to help our foreign friends and tourists during their visits to Kiev.

I can be useful with accommodation and sightseeing issues and, of course, the most interesting. I have several good and young student-girls who just need some money.

To clarify. I am not offering an escort / salon / professional girls and meetings for an hour. Just good girls, who meet foreigners time-to-time for good money.

If you are interested in this kind of services. Let me know via PM and then. Email / viber / whatsapp.

About all prices and model of our cooperation. I prefer to discuss it in PM. But no advance and virtual payments, of course!

With me you can be confident about serious meetings with marvelous girls!

Don't hesitate to contact me.Hi,

Can't send you PM.

Please contact me.

[Volpone]

Hello Volpone,

You are right, I am more into girlfriends than prostitutes.

Here is my advice for Kiev. Load the UKLON Taxi app. It is great for going around in Kiev, even if you do not speak Russian. You will get much better prices than the bandits waiting for tourists in Kreshatik. Some taxi drivers are nice, speak English, and they know the city. Ask then to take you to good places for sex. Of course, you might pay a little more at the beginning, but with trial and error, you will find a good and helpful driver.

There is no use in giving you addresses of flats, because these change all the time, and quality varies all the time.

If you are looking for non-pros, then check the website www.travelgirls.com ; these are non-pros willing to travel for sex. Propose to meet them in Kiev, in order to see if there is a fit, before a nice trip abroad. Basically these girls sell their bodies for some luxury and an iphone.

Regards.Hello Bimbo Boy.

Thanks for your precious advices.

Concerning taxi I use:

http://absolut-taxi.kiev.ua/

http://optima.fm/kiev/en/services/online-order.html

They sometimes speak some English, but my Russian is good enough when they don't. This Summer I paid less than 100 Uah from Druzbi Narodiv to an extremity of Obolon and around 250-260 from Obolon to the airport Borispol.

For those, who don't know, Obolon is a suburb about 8 km North from the center. It's easy to go there by metro and there are 2 shopping centers, Dream Town 1 and Dream Town 2. I like that suburb, because you have the beach on the river, not so clean, but ok.

This year I've been here for 4 months and still haven't been to some private flats. Ukrainian girlfriend (nearly half of my age too, but I wouldn't say that it's easy to date here, even if you speak Russian and not many girls are impressed by foreigners, not anymore.) and Mamba girls (but Mamba is getting so much worst than this Summer) avoid me to go to brothels to have sex without extra. Pussy licking will depend on the girl, might be in the price, might be an extra. BBBJ, I have never got one in these brothels, because many girls don't want to do it or they ask an extra, that I found too expensive. For instance, 2 years ago, in one apartment near Maidan, the price was 600 UAH for 30 minutes, sex and pussy licking or 1000 UAH with BBBJ, it means not far to the double. (That was the price 2 years ago and the grivnia had another value).

That's absolutely right that addresses of these brothels flats change often. However, they usually stay at the same place during 1-2 months and perhaps even more.

On Mamba you can find many girls that work now in some of these flats. Expect high prices, just for sex, minimum 1500 UAH. They usually don't do BBBJ or ask an extra of 1000 UAH. Kiev is definetely much more expensive than Berlin and some cities in Germany or in Spain, where you can easily get a decent half an hour price. Here they usually charge you more for 30 minutes and not the half of the hour amount or they even don't do it.

About travelgirls, well I am in Kiev, so I can spare to buy them the visa and the trip. It could be an alternative to Mamba now, but I don't think we can get the price we got before on Mamba: around 800-1500 uah for 1 or 2 hours or even the price you get with pros in Spain or Germany: around 50-60 euro for 30 minutes, what is usually largely enough to have a good session of sex. Prices on Mamba now, expect 1500-2600 UAH and up for one hour. Be aware that BBBJ is most of the time not included.

Hope it helps))))).

[LuisVega11]

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[Vitrea]

The taxi drivers outside of Arena City know where to take you. But they are too expensive, something like 7 k UAH for just an hour. Totally not worth it.Apartment girls are 7000 Grivna per hour? Is that a typo?

[CastOnThis]

Apartment girls are 7000 Grivna per hour? Is that a typo?Not a typo. It's what they were quoting me at. It is why I said it isn't worth going to Kiev. Too expensive. The girls think their vaginas are heavenly or something like that and it is the furthest from the truth. The majority of good-looking women are no longer escorts as the number of good-looking women drops every year because there isn't a lot of young people because the older generation are busy with the rat-race.

[EdAdams]

Hi to all!

I am a new member, starting from today, located in Kyiv, Ukraine.

I am a guy, 26 yo. One of my hobbies is to help our foreign friends and tourists during their visits to Kiev.

I can be useful with accommodation and sightseeing issues and, of course, the most interesting. I have several good and young student-girls who just need some money.

To clarify. I am not offering an escort / salon / professional girls and meetings for an hour. Just good girls, who meet foreigners time-to-time for good money.

If you are interested in this kind of services. Let me know via PM and then. Email / viber / whatsapp.

About all prices and model of our cooperation. I prefer to discuss it in PM. But no advance and virtual payments, of course!

With me you can be confident about serious meetings with marvelous girls!

Don't hesitate to contact me.Hi cannot contact you for some reason. Please see attached.

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It appears from your post that you don't quite understand the Forum's Private Message service.

To use the Forum's Private Message service, both you and the Forum Member you are trying to contact must be either a subscriber or a Senior Member.

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[Riina]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-visa-free-travel-ukraine-georgia-a7462631.html

Bad news for mongers.

Ukrainian chicks will go EU easier.

Now the price / efficiency ratio will be higher. Quality will be decrease.I don't really see any world news confirming visa free. Could be just more lip service. My guess is they are waiting to see what is the position of our president elect.

[YellowPaul]

I had a travel question.

I have book a flight from Kiev to Punta Cana on Condor Airlines for a girl who does not have a schengen visa but has a 4 hour stopover in Frankfort Germany. Does she need a transit visa?

I assume no since she does not leave the airport and is only in the transit area only.

[Jojosun]

I had a travel question.

I have book a flight from Kiev to Punta Cana on Condor Airlines for a girl who does not have a schengen visa but has a 4 hour stopover in Frankfort Germany. Does she need a transit visa?

I assume no since she does not leave the airport and is only in the transit area only.She doesn't according to this provided there's no change of Airport. http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/transit-schengen-visa/.

Further info here " Ukrainian citizens need a transit visa only in case they are required to leave the transit area of an airport, or the flight route includes 2 stops in the Schengen area (Kyiv-Frankfurt-Paris-Morocco).

Transit areas only exist at the airports in Frankfurt, Munich, Düsseldorf or Hamburg (transit areas in Dusseldorf and Hamburg airports are not open 24/7). If your flight goes through any other airport, you are always required to obtain a transit visa. " http://www.germanyvac-ua.com/english/transit_visa.html.

Best to check with the German Embassy as well.

[Vitrea]

Not a typo. It's what they were quoting me at. It is why I said it isn't worth going to Kiev. Too expensive. The girls think their vaginas are heavenly or something like that and it is the furthest from the truth. The majority of good-looking women are no longer escorts as the number of good-looking women drops every year because there isn't a lot of young people because the older generation are busy with the rat-race.I am willing to splurge if the situation calls for it. But this is unreasonable. The apartments I went to had few good looking girls and my buddy and I had to go to few apartments till we find a 9 but we did. It was 1500 and not 7000. Our guy took us to 8 apartments in two days. I imagine there are numerous. Do you have a name and address for this high priced one? You probably don't. Ha ha.

[Jojosun]

I don't really see any world news confirming visa free. Could be just more lip service. My guess is they are waiting to see what is the position of our president elect.http://www.schengenvisainfo.com/eu-reaches-deal-grant-visa-free-travel-50-million-ukrainians-georgians/

"Although, the deal must still be formally approved by the rest of the member states as well as the European Parliament."

Dutch voted no back in April "I and April the Dutch people voted to reject a deal between Brussels and Kiev which will allow all Ukrainians to visit the Schengen zone without applying for a visa. " http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/733581/dutch-referendum-ignored-eu-rubberstamps-visa-free-travel-ukraine.

[Vitrea]

I had a travel question.

I have book a flight from Kiev to Punta Cana on Condor Airlines for a girl who does not have a schengen visa but has a 4 hour stopover in Frankfort Germany. Does she need a transit visa?

I assume no since she does not leave the airport and is only in the transit area only.Best if you contact Condor. Any answer you get on this forum would not be useful anyway. Airlines has the final say. Is the Kiev to Frankfurt on Condor? If not contact that airline. They may not allow her to board if they disagree. I have seen that happen.

[YellowPaul]

Best if you contact Condor. Any answer you get on this forum would not be useful anyway. Airlines has the final say. Is the Kiev to Frankfurt on Condor? If not contact that airline. They may not allow her to board if they disagree. I have seen that happen.I have done this before without a transit visa needed but that was few years ago they may have changed the rules. Condor is a charter airline does not fly to UA. From Kiev it is lufthansa to Franfurt and on the way back it is Ukrainian Airlines. Condor flies from Europe to Dominican and I paid about $800 US for her ticket.

[Tomas11]

I had a travel question.

I have book a flight from Kiev to Punta Cana on Condor Airlines for a girl who does not have a schengen visa but has a 4 hour stopover in Frankfort Germany. Does she need a transit visa?

I assume no since she does not leave the airport and is only in the transit area only.Tell her to come up with the good story because they might not let her out of the country (Ukraine) by airline staff or local immigration, if she does not have tickets on hand. Also once she will land tell her to go to the transit area, she will have to pass immigration but if she will have a ticket this should be no problem. However, each case is different depending on immigration officer, airline staff etc. Too many variables. Also I thing that charter airlines are not in global system and they won't see her in local system, but I could be wrong.

[Misterxxx]

I have done this before without a transit visa needed but that was few years ago they may have changed the rules. Condor is a charter airline does not fly to UA. From Kiev it is lufthansa to Franfurt and on the way back it is Ukrainian Airlines. Condor flies from Europe to Dominican and I paid about $800 US for her ticket.Did you book all Flights on one ticket with one confirmation number? Check it on checkmytrip.com (confirmation should have 6 letters or digits) . If you booked 2-3 single tickets, she needs a visa.

[AZN Monger]

I had a travel question.

I have book a flight from Kiev to Punta Cana on Condor Airlines for a girl who does not have a schengen visa but has a 4 hour stopover in Frankfort Germany. Does she need a transit visa?

I assume no since she does not leave the airport and is only in the transit area only.You do not need a transit visa if she's flying into FRA airport. She would only need one if she is transiting to more than one EU country (for example, Ukraine-Germany-France-Dominican Republic).

[Misterxxx]

You do not need a transit visa if she's flying into FRA airport. She would only need one if she is transiting to more than one EU country (for example, Ukraine-Germany-France-Dominican Republic).Sorry, but this is not true if he booked 2-3 seperate tickets (to save money). The first airline will reject the girl in Kiev.

Transit without visa is possible if he booked all flights on one ticket and with one confirmation number (different airlines are possible).

Transit without visa is possible in Frankfurt, but not on all airports in Europe. Ukrainian citizens need a transfer visa for the UK (for example). Even if they don't want to enter the UK.

[YellowPaul]

Sorry, but this is not true if he booked 2-3 seperate tickets (to save money). The first airline will reject the girl in Kiev.

Transit without visa is possible if he booked all flights on one ticket and with one confirmation number (different airlines are possible).

Transit without visa is possible in Frankfurt, but not on all airports in Europe. Ukrainian citizens need a transfer visa for the UK (for example). Even if they don't want to enter the UK.Thanks for the all the help guys but I did book all the flights with 1 reservation # as it rarely cheaper to buy separate tickets and can only lead to more issues.

I looked more into the subject as Ukrainians are do not need a transit visa for Germany but it really depends on the country and airport since the danger is that a person in transit could simply walk out of the airport if there is no separate transit area to stop them from doing so.

[Sorbonne]

Sorry, but this is not true if he booked 2-3 seperate tickets (to save money). The first airline will reject the girl in Kiev.

Transit without visa is possible if he booked all flights on one ticket and with one confirmation number (different airlines are possible).

Transit without visa is possible in Frankfurt, but not on all airports in Europe. Ukrainian citizens need a transfer visa for the UK (for example). Even if they don't want to enter the UK.I agree with Misterxxx on the need of visa when booked with separate tickets but disagree with him on the need of visa for the UK.

My UA girl flew from Kiev through London and Frankfurt to DR all booked on one ticket in 2014.

She did not need a transit visa just to change the airlines within a few hours at Frankfurt.

But she also did not need a transit visa for an overnight stay in London, and they even let her out Heathrow on both ways! She wandered into London and had a blast! She probably had better time in London than in DR with me.

They probably let her out because she had all the boarding cards to DR and also her checked-in bag was checked in from Kiev all the way to DR. So in London she only had her carry-on with her.

[Misterxxx]

But she also did not need a transit visa for an overnight stay in London, and they even let her out Heathrow on both ways! She wandered into London and had a blast! She probably had better time in London than in DR with me. They probably let her out because she had all the boarding cards to DR and also her checked-in bag was checked in from Kiev all the way to DR. So in London she only had her carry-on with her.This might be a mistake or a lack of control. Normally she needs a visa for the UK. Even for the airport. So: Better don't try it again.

[Riina]

Sorry, but this is not true if he booked 2-3 seperate tickets (to save money). The first airline will reject the girl in Kiev.

Transit without visa is possible if he booked all flights on one ticket and with one confirmation number (different airlines are possible).

Transit without visa is possible in Frankfurt, but not on all airports in Europe. Ukrainian citizens need a transfer visa for the UK (for example). Even if they don't want to enter the UK.This is good information. Thanks, appreciate it.

[Jojosun]

Here's the latest regulations which apply to Ukrainians. Check the list for other Nationalities". You should check if you need a visa before you apply. "

https://www.gov.uk/transit-visa

Visa to pass through the UK in transit.

Overview.

You may need a visa to pass through the UK in transit.

To apply for a transit visa you must be:

In transit to another country with enough funds and the intention to travel on.

Able to prove you can enter that country.

Able to show that the only purpose of your visit to the UK is transit.

Not leaving the airport.

Apply for a Direct Airside Transit visa (DATV) if you'll be changing flights in the UK and won't be going through UK border control.

DATVs last for up to 24 hours.

You can't apply for this visa if you need to go through immigration ('cross the border' eg to check in your luggage on to a connecting flight. Apply for a Visitor in Transit visa instead.

Leaving the airport.

Apply for a Visitor in Transit visa if you'll be going through UK border control but leaving the UK within 48 hours.

You can also apply for a long-term Visitor in Transit visa if you can prove you need to frequently pass through the UK over a longer period.

Fees.

Direct Airside Transit visa (DATV) - £32.

Visitor in Transit visa - £59.

But as in my post below its up to the Immigration officer if he or she waives the need for a transit visa if one is leaving the next day.

[Raffzahn]

I agree with Misterxxx on the need of visa when booked with separate tickets but disagree with him on the need of visa for the UK.

My UA girl flew from Kiev through London and Frankfurt to DR all booked on one ticket in 2014.

She did not need a transit visa just to change the airlines within a few hours at Frankfurt.

But she also did not need a transit visa for an overnight stay in London, and they even let her out Heathrow on both ways! She wandered into London and had a blast! She probably had better time in London than in DR with me. You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic. In the UK it depends very much on terminal and airline used, but usually you'll have to go thru passport checks. And when traveling on multiple tickets multiple tickets this usually requires a (transfer) visa for citizens of many countries, including UA.

H.

[Raffzahn]

You do not need a transit visa if she's flying into FRA airport. She would only need one if she is transiting to more than one EU country (for example, Ukraine-Germany-France-Dominican Republic).The reason is quite simple, as the flight Germany / France is a domestic (Schengen) flight. To take it she needs to legaly enter Shengen area, which requires a visa. Only direct connections between two flights leading from / to non Schengen countries can be connected without a visa. And only on airports prepared to offer this service. Usually the larger ones, like Frankfurt and Munich.

H.

[Misterxxx]

You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic.
Raffzahn: It's not true. Read my message. You are right if you book the flight on one ticket with one confirmation number. If you book 2 separate tickets she needs a visa. Even if she don't want to leave the transit area. The first airline don't know about the 2nd ticket and another flight and they will check the visa in the passport. No visa = They reject her in Kiev, because they are responsible for her and have to pay a huge penalty + have to bring her back to Kiev if there is any problem with the other flight.

[Raffzahn]

You'll never need a Visa in for Germany if you stay within the international area when changeing in Munich or Frankfurt. These airports feature split field sides for international connections and domestic. Passport checks are only done when changing from international to domestic.Raffzahn: It's not true. Read my message. You are right if you book the flight on one ticket with one confirmation number. If you book 2 separate tickets she needs a visa. Even if she don't want to leave the transit area. The first airline don't know about the 2nd ticket and another flight and they will check the visa in the passport. No visa = They reject her in Kiev, because they are responsible for her and have to pay a huge penalty + have to bring her back to Kiev if there is any problem with the other flight.LOL. Could say the same, read my message!

But serious, why did German airports spend so much money in building complete seperate areas, tunnels and gateways for transfer passengers? It's because of German policies regarding transfer passengers. They do not legaly enter the country at all, and border controll does not care about them (unlike in the UK).

So again, there is no legal or practical reason stoping her from changing airlines in Germany, as long as both flights originate / end in non Schengen places. Now, if some airline makes a fuzz, it's not a principal issue. And your obligation as a gentleman to make it happen, for exampel by providing all neccersarry information to your lady (and thus the airline) ahead of time.

H.

[Sorbonne]

But as in my post below its up to the Immigration officer if he or she waives the need for a transit visa if one is leaving the next day.One thing I can attest is that my Kiev girl is pretty charming.

[Jojosun]

One thing I can attest is that my Kiev girl is pretty charming.Well if she wasn't, you wouldn't have have taken her to the DR, would you??

Cheers.

[HugeDickMan]

Where are some regular bars where I can pick up some pros? Where do streetwalkers hang out?

[EnricoMacias]

Dear mongers,

I have a colleague whose GF is a cabin crew in Etihad in Dubai. They met when she was working for Qatar Airways 2 years ago, she worked 1 years for QA then transferred to Etihad . Anyhow, my colleague applied Qatar visa for her Ukrainian GF through an agency in Qatar. Qatar rejected first application, my friend applied again in the same day and Qatar issued a visa. She will come to Qatar 28 December. I asked my colleague. He said that, he filled the forms, all he needed was a photo of her girlfriends passport. (in order to fill the required info) and 200 hundred dollar application fee. The also mentioned that the form was mostly for him as a guarantor / sponsor and there is only 2-3 info required for the GF.

Anyhow, I wanted to follow the same procedure for a girl in Ukraine. I want her to come here for one week or 15 days. I said her that I will follow the same procedure, We should apply even if 99% Qatar supposed to reject. All risk is at my side, 200 dollars I will pay for the application.

I and this girl made a huge discussion. She says that even if apply here and Qatar grants a visa, Ukraine will not allow her to leave the country. She says that she talked to their embassy, bla bla bla.

This is hard to believe. What do you think?

She then said that she will apply for Qatar visa in Ukraine. I think that she is fooling me.

[Deer1234]

Chi is the #1 high end disco with some working girls but mostly a regular crowd if you have game. If you can get a wing man $400-$500 min charges for a table split is well spent if you want to see the best that Kiev has to offer. Thank you for your advice. Table split seems a great idea, though it costs some. Has anybody tried a table split? How much did it cost and where? How were the girls, as compared to the girls whom you could meet otherwise, for example on the bar?

[Tomas11]

I and this girl made a huge discussion. She says that even if apply here and Qatar grants a visa, Ukraine will not allow her to leave the country. She says that she talked to their embassy, bla bla bla.

This is hard to believe. What do you think?

She then said that she will apply for Qatar visa in Ukraine. I think that she is fooling me.Yes she is fooling you, don't know the purpose, most likely to pull some cash from you.

[YellowPaul]

Thank you for your advice. Table split seems a great idea, though it costs some. Has anybody tried a table split? How much did it cost and where? How were the girls, as compared to the girls whom you could meet otherwise, for example on the bar?1) Find a wingman preferably that speaks Russian - $250 each is better then $500.

2) Make sure you tell them you want a table near the dance floor to be noticed. Tell the waiter your limit for instance $500 is the minimum amount you have to spend as you can rack up a huge bill if your not careful.

3) You don't have to get a table and hang out near the bar but sometimes they give foreigners a hard time insisting on bottle service. Better to go early since the place is a restaurant too. Dress to impress. Your not getting in with a sweater and running shoes.

4) Tip the security / wait staff good as they can bring over girls if you lack game or don't speak Russian.

5) Most girls here are not "working" per say but great place to get #'s for later and see some of best quality that Kiev has to offer.

6) Order the cheapest sparkling white wine and tell the girls it's "champagne" ... hard to know what a girl will drink but nobody turns down champagne. Avoid girls that don't drink period... I never had a good experience with a girl like that.

7)) For the monger looking for a cheap bang. Avoid most of the clubs.

[SgtBoyle2]

It's been said before but I wanted to add my comments to all those previous posts that have complained about prices and professionalism in Kiev and about how all the best girls are now no longer in Kiev. Having just returned from Ukraine here are some examples of how the girls have become or are in the process of becoming hardcore jet setting escorts with prices to match:

Example 1.

Took a really lovely young lady back to my hotel who was sold to me as not being very experienced in escorting. She was indeed sweet and gentle but as I went down to dine on her why I couldn't help but observe that her arse bore all the signs of a well traveled passage. Talking later she told me that she had not visit Western Europe but had been to Emirates and Dubai! I wonder why?

Example 2.

Got a nice enough girl from Mamba who told me how she had started out in Shooters and was now saving up for a visa.

Example 3.

In a restaurant when I couldn't help but hear an attractive hooker tell her client how she had just got back from Barbados.

Example 4.

Took an attractive lady in her mid twenties out from Buddha Bar who told me that my 5 star hotel was not a patch on the one she had stayed at in Oman.

This is new reality. All the girls now know that the going rate is at least $100 and many of the girls have already sampled the delights of Dubai and expect to be paid accordingly.

In this new reality us old timers are forced back on to our existing contacts. For those newbies I suggest you contact our favorite pimp Andrei to show you the ropes. PM me if you want his details.

Anyone hoping to stumble on a hidden gem in a bar / club these days is delusional.

[NoMarriage]

Hey guys,

New to the game. What happened to mamba? I just signed on and started talking to girls. I am also looking on travel-girls too. Trying to plan a trip from west coast USA because tired of Latin America. Any tips on Ukraine would be great. It seems like Kiev is played out. Can someone list the areas, places, or sites where I can find semi pros working in a blue moon for necessity? I don't like the way rent a cars drive. PM me I am looking for someone to show me around. Like in Medellin I like to pretty girls who are nice.

[Volpone]

Very good comments SgtBoyle2.

I have been here for 1 month now. Well you can still get a cheaper price on mamba, after some hard work on it, but the girl is either below average quality or just average, so I even didn't bother getting one new. I just used my old contacts, they are so preeeeeeeeeecccccccccccciiiiiiiioooooouuuuussssss now, they are like gold, because with them you can get cheaper price and good services.

Some girls agree to come for 1500 UAH, but without BBBJ. Then you have to add another 1000 UAH. I am talking here about the non-pros, the amateurs girls and not about the many pros that have their flat and welcome you there if you want. Pros usually go for 1500 with BJ and 2500 with BBBJ included. Here I mean pros on Mamba. There are other ways to find some cheaper pros, but the quality is usually lower.

So after one month, I could get at the end a new girl. Well I had to pay a bit more than foreseen. She started with the price of 150 $ for 1 hour, hey forget it. But I don't know how it happened, she suddenly offered the price of 2000 UAH for 1 hour. The girl looks great on her photos, I would say a 9. ( She has a little something of Paris Hilton, well just a little). So with such a discount, why not meeting her and to see first if she is the girl on the photos. As you know I already have my contacts for around 1000 UAH for one hour with BBBJ, 69 and sex. However this time I was feeling to see if I could get a new one like I could get them so easily in Summer.

So she came on time. Great. I picked her up in the street, I spoke with her only in Russian even if I knew she could speak English. She complimented me for my Russian even if it sucks. She is like on the photos, a 9, a real pearl. She wanted the money right away. I said, that I will put the money near her bag, then she will take it when she leaves. She agreed with that. That was a bad sign. Anyway we had a shower together, good sign. Then I licked her pussy and then I put my dick near her face and she asked for a condom. Waow, that's right she never agreed for a BBBJ. Big mistake but it was on purpose. I decided before getting her taking the risk not having a BBBJ. So I said to her, that I don't like with condom. And she did it. I got a very long BBBJ in 69 and then just a BBBJ and I could watch her beautiful face. Then sex. The whole session lasted around 45 minutes. After sex we talked and she told me she was in Dubai (in a beauty contest) , Turkey (many times), China (for modelling), Paris (she wasn't impressed) .

In conclusion I just had some luck after one month of tough work on Mamba. She just needed some money right away or she liked the fact that I could speak some Russian, even if she can speak English or for any other reasons, I don't know. Guys if you count on Mamba, you could wank in your flat or in your hotel room. I am so happy to have my old contacts.


It's been said before but I wanted to add my comments to all those previous posts that have complained about prices and professionalism in Kiev and about how all the best girls are now no longer in Kiev. Having just returned from Ukraine here are some examples of how the girls have become or are in the process of becoming hardcore jet setting escorts with prices to match:

Example 1.

Took a really lovely young lady back to my hotel who was sold to me as not being very experienced in escorting. She was indeed sweet and gentle but as I went down to dine on her why I couldn't help but observe that her arse bore all the signs of a well traveled passage. Talking later she told me that she had not visit Western Europe but had been to Emirates and Dubai! I wonder why?

Example 2.

Got a nice enough girl from Mamba who told me how she had started out in Shooters and was now saving up for a visa.

Example 3.

In a restaurant when I couldn't help but hear an attractive hooker tell her client how she had just got back from Barbados.

Example 4.

Took an attractive lady in her mid twenties out from Buddha Bar who told me that my 5 star hotel was not a patch on the one she had stayed at in Oman.

This is new reality. All the girls now know that the going rate is at least $100 and many of the girls have already sampled the delights of Dubai and expect to be paid accordingly.

In this new reality us old timers are forced back on to our existing contacts. For those newbies I suggest you contact our favorite pimp Andrei to show you the ropes. PM me if you want his details.

Anyone hoping to stumble on a hidden gem in a bar / club these days is delusional.

[KSensations]

Hello guys!

I am Ukrainian and living in Kiev almost 3 years) If you have some questions related to your visits to Ukraine / Kiev. Please, don"t hesitate to ask, I will try to help.

Questions about girls / meets are also relevant.

[Deer1234]

Has anybody tried the following night clubs, to pick up girls?:

Dante Park, Avalon, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe.

A web site reports that these are only for very expensive girls for rich people.

Then, how expensive? How are the female / male ratio, age class.

[Sorbonne]

Christmas.

[Jojosun]

Christmas.Hi Sorbonne,

Very thoughtful of you.

Merry Christmas to you and everyone on here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz6e6wupG8s.

Merry Christmas in (almost) all languages.

And if your language isn't included, then let your $$$ do the talking.

Cheers.

[Danish Traveler]

Lots of these places you mention is just restaurant and cafés.

Mocco is a traditionel cafe in Passage. Avalon was good six-seven years ago. Not a place with quality girls now, Serebro is worn down but expensive and golddigger girls seem to like it, Safe is just a restaurant that a lot of girls looking for rich men seem to like.

But in general skip the VIP-places in Kiev. You will not have a chance with the oligarchs and they are not worth the effort and your money. Your chances are much better at simple places like Radio Hall. There will be quite good girls there and easy to get in contact with them.


Has anybody tried the following night clubs, to pick up girls?:

Dante Park, Avalon, Byblos, Serebro, Velour, Mokko, Richelieu, Ok Bar and Safe.

A web site reports that these are only for very expensive girls for rich people.

Then, how expensive? How are the female / male ratio, age class.

[AndrewHaim2]

I can help you with this issue. Could you give me more details about the girls and approximate budget?

We can discuss in the PM. Will wait!

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I have just purchased a membership and will try to PM you to discuss Kiev. I should be going tomorrow.

[SgtBoyle2]

Day1:

Despite a falling pound and reports of heavy snow in Kiev, there's nothing quite like the onset of Christmas to put one in the mood for a weekend of sex.

And so it was that the early morning of Saturday found me in the Business Lounge at Heathrow awaiting my flight to Boryspil.

Able to spare only a few days from work I had decided to splurge on a nice hotel rather than an apartment. For those interested the 11 Mirrors Hotel fits the bill perfectly. Just a few doors up from Rio, this boutique hotel is in no doubt that it is an upmarket brothel with photographs of naked women in the corridors. Dark and cool the girls seem to love it.

Time being short I had of course set up some meetings through Mamba and other contacts and this thread's favorite pimp: Andrii (please pm me if you want his number). Indeed I really tried to prepare quite a detailed itinerary with a view to packing in as many experiences as possible.

Of course the long burn is better when it comes to Ukraine and no doubt cheaper but not all of us are able to commit to two or three months in Kiev. More seasoned residents must therefore forgive the prices that follow.

I had in part been tempted into returning by Andrii. A month or so earlier he had sent me a silhouette photo of a winsome young girl that he had recently found and who was interested in dabbling in escorting with a suitable gentlemen. She was said to speak perfect English and, in Andrii's words, to be "fresh and clean. ".

Of course I didn't entirely believe him but was confident that she would at least be fresher than my two ladies from Mamba with whom I had arranged to have a threesome on the Sunday. There is always a place for vanilla.

From London the flight out is just a little over 3 hours making it an attractive weekend location. However it's as well to limit yourself to just on board luggage as you can wait for up to an hour for your suitcase at Boryspil. It's also as well to be at the front of the plane and to hot foot it to passport control because you can end up waiting there for 20 minutes if you don't.

4 pm found me in a nice but pricey French restaurant (opposite) the Opera House waiting for Andrii to arrive with his "proposal". Andrii has many virtues (he's a really nice guy) but punctuality is not on of them, I didn't therefore wait to order and was tucking into my salad when in strolls this thread's favorite pimp and Beauty. Tall and thin with the most captivating smile I won't be giving out her details or any details but Andrii did me proud.

Avalon:

At Beauty's suggestion we went that evening to Avalon to listen to a jazz band. I was not optimistic recalling the 80's kitsch disco nightclub that use to occupy the middle floors but found myself pleasantly mistaken. Save for the heavies at security the place has had a makeover and is now decked out with candles and a decor that's somewhere between a Parisian bistro and the Kaspar. It actually works and the funk jazz band were very good. As for the ladies (with which this Forum is primarily concerned) there were a few duos at the bar as one might expect but I wasn't entirely convinced that they were all "open for business". Being accompanied I did not of inquire but whether they were or not the place is definitely not Buddha Bar, where the talent is lined up like a bus queue. Indeed the crowd seemed to largely consist of middle class late twenties Ukrainians. So go there if you like jazz but don't expect it to be Skybar. Total cost for cocktails and nibbles 600 hryvnia.

Once the band had finished I took my leave of Beauty and headed over to Rio which is just across the street. Why? I don't know I just got that itch and I also wanted to see if Roxanne was still there. I had taken her out a few times and we'd corresponded in the Spring before life took me in a different direction.

Rio:

By the time I got to Rio it was already 1 pm and as I did so I saw a gaggle of ladies being rounded up into some taxis by (I suspect) some Turkish gentlemen. Do you think they got a group discount?

As I entered I was ushered past security by Andrei (a different one) who apologized and told me that Roxanne was not working that night and that I would have to go to the downstairs floor as VIP was busy. The selection was not good. There were a couple of fit girls (8/9's) but no real beauties and several overweight ladies who really shouldn't be on poles. The place had also developed a new "attraction" whereby two scrawny and tattooed girls come up to your sofa and dance wearing various costumes several of which are illuminated with flashing lights. I paid them 100 Hryvnia to go away which may be the idea.

Anyways, I watched the procession with some disinterested for half an hour until eventually ordering a private dance with a tall blond who had a nice smile: Anastasia (7/8). For those who don't know, the procedure at Rio is that you indicate to your floor manager that you would like to have a private dance with a particular girl. She then comes to your table a few minutes later and takes you to a private room where she gyrates on your body for two songs taking off her nickers for the second number. The event last no more than 5 minutes and costs 500 Hryvnia.

Anastasia was nice. She has a firm body and showed some enthusiasm but the passion that had first attracted me to Roxanne just wasn't there. I went back to my seat in the hope of better.

More girls passed me on the poles although in truth there was a lot of repetition and the whole thing was taking on an air of apathy. The manager (Victor) was now chatting at the bar with some girls who'd obviously finished for the night while those on the poles were barely moving and making no eye contact with the few remaining punters. The night seemed to be over when up stepped the complete blond followed by a slightly less pretty brunette. The blond was a 9/10 with a fantastic toned body but a (pretty) face that told me the entire experience would be plastic. The brunette by contrast seemed to be determined to show that although she was only an 8 she would beat the blond for my attention. Her name was Lada and she succeeded. I took her for a private dance. Everything seemed to be going well. The nickers came off, she pressed against against my groin and then my hand literally brushed her clit and she jumped back: "no touch, no touch". I apologized. She put her bra and pants back on and then said that if I wanted to I could take her back to my hotel for $300 (the standard fee). I said I would have a think about it but I thought: you've got to be joking.

I went back to my seat surveyed the passing array of 6/7's and asked Victor to see if Anastasia was available for a drink (another standard procedure in Rio whereby you pay for the ladies' beverage and she talks to you between her dances). She was and we agreed that she would come back with me for €300 while she sipped her latte. She said she didn't always go back with clients so perhaps I was lucky but it didn't feel it. Girls from Rio very rarely do uncovered BJ's (Roxanne did which is one of the reasons I saw her so often) or anything other than classic (covered) sex. Anastasia was no exception. She left after an hour and I was relieved.

Total cost at Rio with drinks, entrance fee, dances and distractions was nearly 2,000 hryvnia plus of course $300 for Anastasia. It was not good value.

[AndrewHaim2]

Hello guys!

I am Ukrainian and living in Kiev almost 3 years) If you have some questions related to your visits to Ukraine / Kiev. Please, don"t hesitate to ask, I will try to help.

Questions about girls / meets are also relevant.Hi Man,

I have bought membership to reply. But you don't have PM available. Let me know if there is another way to meet you. I will be arriving in Kiev tomorrow for 3 days and would love some advice.

[KSensations]

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[EnricoMacias]

Hi guys,

I found a gap of 3 days without any loss of my annual leave so I flight to Istanbul. After a checkup at the hospital, I decided to visit Kiev and went to Ukraine.

I did not prepare well so I had to use my old contacts.

Anyhow I had an interesting experience which I am confused to share it.

Other than that, I slept my old contact 2 girls.

Dasha for 1000 uah+100 uah taxi.

Masha for 1500 uah.

Dasha was first time for me, I went two times in 2 hours. Her tattoos were attractive but there was a bad smell from her vagina which I realized during first shot. By the way, she even did not have 100 uah for the taxi so I waited in the street to pay her taxi.

Masha is my old contact. Which I fucked 5 shots during over first meeting in February-2016. Last time, in October-2016 I went for 3 shots. This time I was so tired, I could only went 1 time / I asked her that I can try my best for second time if she wants. She was surprised, she said she wants but I excused.

The lesson learnd during my 2 days December 2016 visit:

-homework homework homework.

- Friday and Saturday, taxis are busy. So for meetings at home, at least 1 hour interval should be considered. Masha waited around 50 minutes for the taxi.

I am still evaluating my different experience which I mentioned above. If I feel safe, I will also share.

[KSensations]

Day1:

Despite a falling pound and reports of heavy snow in Kiev, there's nothing quite like the onset of Christmas to put one in the mood for a weekend of sex.

And so it was that the early morning of Saturday found me in the Business Lounge at Heathrow awaiting my flight to Boryspil.

Able to spare only a few days from work I had decided to splurge on a nice hotel rather than an apartment. For those interested the 11 Mirrors Hotel fits the bill perfectly. Just a few doors up from Rio, this boutique hotel is in no doubt that it is an upmarket brothel with photographs of naked women in the corridors. Dark and cool the girls seem to love it.

Time being short I had of course set up some meetings through Mamba and other contacts and this thread's favorite pimp: Andrii (please pm me if you want his number). Indeed I really tried to prepare quite a detailed itinerary with a view to packing in as many experiences as possible.

Of course the long burn is better when it comes to Ukraine and no doubt cheaper but not all of us are able to commit to two or three months in Kiev. More seasoned residents must therefore forgive the prices that follow...Wow, nice experience! 11 Mirrors is really one of the most beautiful hotels in Kiev, the design is awesome.

Sorry, but I don't understand. And what about the first girl? She was just for escort, to go to Avalon with her? Without sex?

[SgtBoyle2]

Mamba girl:

The following morning I headed over to the health club where I enjoyed a great sauna and a surprisingly erotic massage from attractive lady almost my age. Nothing overtly sexual but a sensual experience nevertheless.

For lunch I had arranged to meet an old contact from Mamba. A tall thin lady in her late 20's she can't really be described as more than a 6/7 but is blessed with that most redeeming feature that she fucks like a train. She is also a very polite, affectionate and punctual companion with passable English. I've given her number to one other monger and may do so to others if you persuade me you're a nice middle aged guy who'll treat her properly (anal in particular is at her discretion).

In previous correspondence Mamba girl had suggested a threesome with a blond friend of hers and sent me some photos of the lady to seal the deal. Again no one could call this blond a 9 or a 10 but she too was willing to take it up the arse and swallow for 2,500 Hryvnia. By London standards (prices) that's a good deal.

The afternoon passed off in a blur of tits, bums and mouths. There was a lovely moment when we were interrupted by room service causing the girls to rush off to the bathroom giggling and me to try to conceal my erection in my robe as I signed for the champagne. As others have previously commented Ukrainian girls are not generally into lesbianism so threesomes tend to involve each girl taking it in turn. Nevertheless it is a lot of fun taking a girl up the arse while her friend looks on listening to the yelps and knowing that she's next.

In fact the whole event was so enjoyable it nearly made me late for Beauty who I had promised to take to dinner. A lovely romantic evening followed and it is to my deep shame that after she left me I couldn't resist a late night tryst with Roxanne.

"You don't have to put out a red light".

Having failed to find her at Rio I had emailed Roxanne to say I was in town and she had of course replied asking to meet. Some of you may remember her from Rio. Auburn hair, white skin and piercing black eyes, Roxanne was always a little plump but a deeply sexy girl.

She arrived just before 11 pm and insisted on keeping her coat on while we had a drink at the bar. Drained from my previous exploits I was harboring real concerns that I was still up to the job: Viagra can only take you so far.

I needn't have worried however, Roxanne turns me on. When the coat came off it was all too clear why she no longer worked at Rio: she was fat. And yet, and yet, it didn't matter.

What followed was passionate, porn grade sex. She gave me the deepest, sloppiest deep throat I have ever had and genuinely seemed to cum when I returned the favor. May be I'm just being foolish but that girl and I just seem to click.

She left me exhausted in the early hours. I left her 5,000 hryvnia in her bag. We hadn't discussed money at all but I wanted her to have what remained of my cash just as she had seemed to want what remained of my cum.

I know I over paid but I always believe in rewarding good service.

[SgtBoyle2]

I, like others, have been critical of Rio over the years but it still remains (in my view) the best strip club in Kiev.

Whilst the refrain RTFF always goes up whenever there's an inquiry from a newbie there has not actually been any detailed reports on Rio for some years. Not, I think, since it all kicked off with Little Joey.

Anyway, like it or hate it, Rio remains an important fixture on the Kiev scene and so I shall set out the following for any who might be interested. Apologies to the old hands who know it all already.

Overview:

Rio is not a cheap option. It is not an alternative to Mamba or for those intent on finding a little gem on the streets. It is however a pleasant enough place to while away the hours and will probably not cost you much more than Buddha Bar or a top night club if you choose to take out a girl. Despite what others say, I've never met an 8 plus girl in a bar or night club who didn't insist on $150 upwards for a covered 1 hour experience. With Rio you can properly expect 3 hours if you leave the club before midnight.

Making an entrance:

Entrance at time of writing was 300 hryvnia which is added to your drinks bill when you leave. The drinks themselves are pricey but not ridiculously so (150 hryvnia for a cocktail) and no different from most of the top restaurants, hotels and nightclubs in Kiev.

When you arrive security can be quite intimidating but, as always, if you're polite and respectful they're fine.

Finding your level:

Having been frisked you'll next meet the door manager (usually a lady) who will size you up and decide if you're basement, first floor or VIP material. A lot depends on how busy they are but dress to impress if you want to sit in the box seats.

The girls in VIP are by and large more attractive and better pole dancers so if you've just come to look it's the best place to be. However the girls are also often wholly professional and so obviously plastic that the process can be utterly joyless.

Personally I prefer the mixed bag of the lower floors. Granted you may see some real 5/6's but you will also see some quirky girls with real personality who are likely to prove far more entertaining.

Procedures:

Having been taken to your appropriate level you'll be introduced to your floor manager. These guys speak varying degrees of English and, as with everything, if you want good service, tip them. A crisp note as you shake hands is always appreciated and may get you a better table or indeed the girl you want.

The girls rotate (in every sense) and there will usually be three girls in front of you at any one time. On the last song / dance of their session each girl takes her top off but the knickers stay firmly on apart from when things get really frantic in the VIP lounge when I'm told one girl will dance naked. The girls are all allocated to a particular floor with the result that after an hour or so you'll have seen them all.

If you like a girl then you can ask the manager for a private dance with her which will set you back 500 Hryvnia. The girl will come to your table (after a few minutes) and lead you by the hand to a small room / cubicle where she will quite literally dance all over you for two songs. During the second dance she will be completely naked. You are allowed indeed encouraged to touch during these sessions but not her lower parts. The process last no longer than 5 minutes.

You can also ask a girl (via the floor manager or waitress) to come and sit with you, which will cost you a cocktail (150 hryvnia) and allow you to have a chat. Touching but not groping is usually allowed on these occasions.

Take out:

One of the great attractions of Rio and indeed other strip bars is that you can often take a girl home if you're prepared to pay the $300 fee. Private dances and chats over cocktails are often viewed as a precursor to such a purchase.

I shall recount my own personal experiences later but take out can be a complete disappointment or a lead on to better things.

First off none of the girls are likely to do anything other than classic sex and covered BBJ. It seems to be in their contracts and is a rule that will never be broken on a first occasion. Some girls will not even let you go down on them and will try to get the whole process over within an hour. This is not good value even when compared with a night club or Gia (the escort agency).

Other girls however may take the opportunity to get to know you and, if they like you, leave you their phone numbers. This for me is always the objective, because once a girl gets to know you she's much more likely to get raunchy between the sheets. With these girls it's all about trust and regulars (you'd be the same in their position).

Unlike the agencies and the salons (brothels) Rio girls seem to be more at liberty to hand out their number, or at least more willing to do so.

Advice:

Firstly, it's as well to arrive between 10 and 11 pm. Although Rio insists it stays open to 5 am the selection can get rather limit after midnight, especially on Fridays and Saturdays. There's also not much point in taking a girl out at 2 or 3 am because they all have to return to Rio by 5 pm. I still don't know why but I have been told it's the deadline for them to get their share of the night's takings.

Secondly, tip and be nice to everyone. The managers and girls all talk. If you're rude or mean the word will go out and the girls will ignore you. They've no time for time wasters.

Thirdly, don't get drunk or arrive drunk. You won't get the girl you want and you may get yourself into trouble. You'll also waste a lot of cash.

Fourthly, dress nicely, smell good and act like a gentleman. Time and again I've been told by Rio girls that it's up to them who they sit with or who they go out with. They are not going to fall in love with you but you will get so much more out of them if they like you. These girls spend all night every night in the club and so for them the chance to spend some time with someone who'll treat them right and flash a little cash is a real bonus.

Finally, act confident. The girls are professionals and respond well to someone who knows what they are doing (both in and out of the bedroom) and what they want. They will expect you to be firm and won't respect you if you're not. Rio girls and indeed Ukrainian girls more generally, hate ambiguity and bullshit. Be polite but say what you want. You may not get it but everyone will know where they stand: that's the Ukrainian way.

My own experiences:

I've been to Rio more than a dozen times over the last few years. Often I've left empty handed because I didn't see anything I liked, worse still I have taken out girls that were a complete waste of time and indeed money.

Of the girls that I've taken out three have left me their numbers. The first was a really talk thin brunette (a 7 or 8) that I spent a whole weekend with on a later visit (cost $600 plus some perfume). She always insisted on covered BBJ but gave me the most complete anal experience.

The second was a really striking brunette (Roxanne: an 8) who could suck for Ukraine and dispensed with condoms (for oral) after only our second meeting. A little plump she had the most beautiful white skin and was a truly raunchy girl. I would always take her out from Rio early and for $300 she would go to dinner or a club and stay with me until just before the 5 am deadline. Not cheap but not so out of line with what you might pay in a club for an altogether shorter and less attractive experience.

The third is my latest find and will remain nameless. A cute and sassy 21 year old blond (also an 8) she just fucks like a train and is either a brilliant actress or really gets off when I go done on her. Since we've only met twice she still insists on covered BBJs but on our last meeting paid me the greatest compliment by falling asleep in my arms. As I lay there with her head on my shoulders and listened to her breathing I realized that not everything in Rio is made of plastic.

[YerevanBatumi]

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/5575/?source=state_33&filter%5Bindependent%5D=yes&filter%5BaLevel%5D=yes

She wanted me to fly her to where I am now, which is not Ukraine and wanted 1200 euros for 2 days, she claims to do anal and bare back blow job and GFE.

She says she is independent, I doubt it with all the emails back and forth and I think the agency she works for is tied to organized crime in Ukraine.

I asked for more pictures, she sent me these that I am uploading.

I asked to do a Skype video so that I can be sure those photos are hers, she refused and gave me another number which is not the same one on her profile to talk to her. Red flags.

She said she was born on the 30th of June 1992. She gave me this info to buy her a round trip air ticket. She even gave me her passport number and expiration date. She uses the name Annastasia in her profile on the escort site.

Any help in regards to her would be appreciated. I have not seen any reviews of her anywhere and I searched and searched. I even searched her name in Ukrainian in yandex search engine.

One more thing these are the photos Tetiana aka Annastasia sent me.

[Reef LostCause]

Able to spare only a few days from work I had decided to splurge on a nice hotel rather than an apartment. For those interested the 11 Mirrors Hotel fits the bill perfectly. Just a few doors up from Rio, this boutique hotel is in no doubt that it is an upmarket brothel with photographs of naked women in the corridors. Dark and cool the girls seem to love it.
The ironic part is that the hotel belongs to the Klitschko brothers, whom you expect to promote sportsmanship and rightness of mind.

But I agree. It's definitely a cool place and convenient to go to Rio.

When I took a girl there last year, she looked like she knew the room like the back of her hand: mini-bar, slippers etc.

[Riina]

The ironic part is that the hotel belongs to the Klitschko brothers, whom you expect to promote sportsmanship and rightness of mind.

But I agree. It's definitely a cool place and convenient to go to Rio.

When I took a girl there last year, she looked like she knew the room like the back of her hand: mini-bar, slippers etc.11 Mirrors is a luxury hotel almost adjacent to Rio. I don't understand this connotation here to "upmarket brothel". It's a hotel in Kiev, people fuck there just like every other hotel in the city.

[Bimbo Boy]

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/5575/?source=state_33&filter%5Bindependent%5D=yes&filter%5BaLevel%5D=yes

She wanted me to fly her to where I am now, which is not Ukraine and wanted 1200 euros for 2 days, she claims to do anal and bare back blow job and GFE.

She says she is independent, I doubt it with all the emails back and forth and I think the agency she works for is tied to organized crime in Ukraine.

I asked for more pictures, she sent me these that I am uploading.

I asked to do a Skype video so that I can be sure those photos are hers, she refused and gave me another number which is not the same one on her profile to talk to her. Red flags.

She said she was born on the 30th of June 1992. She gave me this info to buy her a round trip air ticket. She even gave me her passport number and expiration date. She uses the name Annastasia in her profile on the escort site.

Any help in regards to her would be appreciated. I have not seen any reviews of her anywhere and I searched and searched. I even searched her name in Ukrainian in yandex search engine.

One more thing these are the photos Tetiana aka Annastasia sent me.Take the chance. Buy her the plane ticket. If she doesn't show up, then change the date of the return trip to the same day, so that it is unusable. Only pay her after services are rendered. .

[YerevanBatumi]

Unfortunately I bought her tickets before she sent me an email saying the following.

In her last email she stated the following:

"And of course in the internet I do not use my real photo!

So she admitted to lying and trying to scam people based on a fake picture. She is a scam artist, probably a fat guy from Ukraine who was emailing me back and forth pretending to be a female escort, just like happy escorts website in Yerevan, that wanted me to send them 500 euros via western union before I met her. This Ukrainian lady with the name of Tetiana, aka, Annastasia, has not yet asked me to wire her 1200 euros via western union. She has no reviews, refuses to do a Skype video chat, and she is asking me about my real name and exact address of my luxury apt in Yerevan where I am staying at. I told her no way, you have admitted to lying and are a proven liar and I told her I don't give my real name to prostitutes. I am in Yerevan now, so I went to the Ukraine international air office bought her tickets and the airline did not ask for my name or anything, I paid in cash, they only asked for my phone number In Yerevan. I believe the other photos she has sent me are also fake as well and are from the world wide web.

I told her it is no go unless we do a Skype video chat, which she refuses, so that is a big red flag. I spent 250 euros on the round trip ticket, I will just eat the cost of the ticket and never buy any online escort with no reviews a ticket in the future even if they give me their passport number, date of birth, alleged real name, phn number, etc. Specially If they refuse a Skype video chat. Lesson learned.


Take the chance. Buy her the plane ticket. If she doesn't show up, then change the date of the return trip to the same day, so that it is unusable. Only pay her after services are rendered. .

[Tits_Lover]

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/5575/?source=state_33&filter%5Bindependent%5D=yes&filter%5BaLevel%5D=yes
She says she is independent, I doubt it with all the emails back and forth and I think the agency she works for is tied to organized crime in Ukraine.
You can check the headers of the Emails to see the IP of the sender plus the OS used and other stuff. You can check if it was the same PC sending them and you can do a geo location of the IP to see if they come from the same place.

It should be easy to verify if they are all from the same person.

[CallSign Papa]

I told her it is no go unless we do a Skype video chat, which she refuses, so that is a big red flag. I spent 250 euros on the round trip ticket, I will just eat the cost of the ticket and never buy any online escort with no reviews a ticket in the future. Lesson learned.Yep, a relatively expensive lesson learned the hard way. Thanks for sharing though, undoubtedly it'll help someone who may be tempted to try the same thing.

[YerevanBatumi]

I reported her to the management yesterday and they took her profile down last night. Now she has posted a new profile in the Ukraine section of Eurogirlsescort, with her own website showing the fake photos. A guy in Ukraine is behind all this.

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/33276/?source=state_33&_fid=ya6k

Someone is using the same exact photos with the name of Masha in Istanbul, here is the link.

http://escortinturkeygirls2.com/girl/masha/

Do not fall for this scam artist, I lost 250 euros.

She told me her name was Tetiana but The owner of this fine website (Mr. Jackson) won't allow me to reveal her alleged last name that she gave me to buy her round trip tickets.

Most of the independent girls in the Ukraine section of Eurogirlsescort website are fake and run by the same guy trying to scam people and depart them from their hard earned money.

In my opinion Ukraine online escorts are as honest as the Nigerian emails that everyone gets and tells you that you have won 2 million dollars and just send them 5000 dollars to release the money.

Be very careful with Ukraine online escorts.

[DramaFree11]

I reported her to the management yesterday and they took her profile down last night. Now she has posted a new profile in the Ukraine section of Eurogirlsescort, with her own website showing the fake photos. A guy in Ukraine is behind all this.

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/33276/?source=state_33&_fid=ya6k

Someone is using the same exact photos with the name of Masha in Istanbul, here is the link.

http://escortinturkeygirls2.com/girl/masha/

Do not fall for this scam artist, I lost 250 euros.

She told me her name was Tetiana but The owner of this fine website (Mr. Jackson) won't allow me to reveal her alleged last name that she gave me to buy her round trip tickets..I hope everyone learns from this. Most of the pictures on-line in Ukraine are fake, this is the norm, not the exception.

[Deer1234]

You will not have a chance with the oligarchs and they are not worth the effort and your money. Your chances are much better at simple places like Radio Hall. There will be quite good girls there and easy to get in contact with them.Thank you for your information. I have never heard of Radio Hall.

[Jojosun]

I reported her to the management yesterday and they took her profile down last night. Now she has posted a new profile in the Ukraine section of Eurogirlsescort, with her own website showing the fake photos. A guy in Ukraine is behind all this.

http://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/annastasia/33276/?source=state_33&_fid=ya6k

Someone is using the same exact photos with the name of Masha in Istanbul, here is the link.

http://escortinturkeygirls2.com/girl/masha/

Do not fall for this scam artist, I lost 250 euros.

In my opinion Ukraine online escorts are as honest as the Nigerian emails that everyone gets and tells you that you have won 2 million dollars and just send them 5000 dollars to release the money.

Be very careful with Ukraine online escorts.Way back around Dec2012 I had a longer encounter online with a Mamba girl who didn't want money for travel at first. Long story short, she did in the end but didn't get any as I first asked for opinions on here and planned counter responses, Scam, or No Scam?

Will post the links with posts for the benefit of newbies about the scam.

[HugeDickMan]

I would just like to rave about Andrei, the most honest, reliable, genuinely kind pimp I've ever met. We met in a simple but cool restaurant that makes its own beer, had a mug each ourselves, talked about regular things, Kiev, life in general, then proceeded to discuss business. He asked my preferences then called several of his contacts and seemed really eager to please me. Then at the very first place he brought me, my jaw dropped to the floor. The girls were absolutely fucking stunning! And when I picked a girl to take to the room and I was already inside with her taking off my clothes, Andrei simply texted me to enjoy myself. Without taking any money! Who the fuck does that?! I texted him back, wait man I have to pay you! But he just said don't worry I'll see you tomorrow! Then as I was falling asleep he texted me again that he has another girl he can bring to my hotel. But I was tired already having cum twice, so I said tomorrow for sure. This guy is something else. I will voluntarily give him a nice tip. Pm me if you want his info. I'll write a separate review for the girls.

[Nallen]

Hello!

I have been reading in this forum for awhile. I have also been in Kiev before and used mamba to find girls like many others do.

But I found this Backpage site and wonder how legit this is.

There is some really hot girls there that I want to meet for 50 $ hour. But are they legit? Have anyone tried this website?

I saw someone write about it some time ago, and it was legit that time with that one lady. But is there more of you that share your experience?

Cheers!

Nallen.

[Sorbonne]

I would just like to rave about Andrei, the most honest, reliable, genuinely kind pimp I've ever met. We met in a simple but cool restaurant that makes its own beer, had a mug each ourselves, talked about regular things, Kiev, life in general, then proceeded to discuss business. He asked my preferences then called several of his contacts and seemed really eager to please me. Then at the very first place he brought me, my jaw dropped to the floor. The girls were absolutely fucking stunning! And when I picked a girl to take to the room and I was already inside with her taking off my clothes, Andrei simply texted me to enjoy myself. Without taking any money! Who the fuck does that?! I texted him back, wait man I have to pay you! But he just said don't worry I'll see you tomorrow! Then as I was falling asleep he texted me again that he has another girl he can bring to my hotel. But I was tired already having cum twice, so I said tomorrow for sure. This guy is something else. I will voluntarily give him a nice tip. Pm me if you want his info. I'll write a separate review for the girls.I have to woner why he never returned my call back in September.

[SgtBoyle2]

I have to woner why he never returned my call back in September.That may well have been around the time his wife was giving birth to their first child. Everyone is entitled to a break!

Besides with Andrei it is always best to message him via WhatsApp. He must get loads of calls from unrecognized numbers.

[TeFab456]

Hello!

I have been reading in this forum for awhile. I have also been in Kiev before and used mamba to find girls like many others do.

But I found this Backpage site and wonder how legit this is.

There is some really hot girls there that I want to meet for 50 $ hour. But are they legit? Have anyone tried this website?

I saw someone write about it some time ago, and it was legit that time with that one lady. But is there more of you that share your experience?

Cheers!

Nallen.As I have written before: The cheaper girls on Backpage (around 50 dollars for the hour) will usually be sent to you on a random basis (photos are worthless). The more upscale girls usually post without facial photos, and are often more then worth their price, in my experience.

[Deer1234]

Hi,

I am planning to visit Kiev, possibly this April or May, because March seems freezing.

Since my preference is student-aged (25 y) pro, semi-pro, or amateurs, I may visit some of the conservatively well-known places (such as, Decadence, Arena, D'lux, Caribbean, Shooters or Coyote?

I heard that these places are almost empty with girls for most of the week, and girls go there only for specific days of the week.

Is this true?

[HugeDickMan]

Darling Disco.

Andrei brought me here the first night, I highly recommend Darling Disco, beside Mozgi bar in Arena City, it has a red sign just ring the doorbell. They are a bit pricey but transparent with their costs on the menu, no surprises on the bill. You can fuck for 2000 uah. Their girls have (in my opinion) a minimum 7 rating, some 8's and a few 9's. I had a blonde, beautiful baby-faced 9, tall and toned body, natural small but perky boobs, and a round, firm ass. Service was basic, massage, CBJ, no mouth kissing (although in the end I was able to sneak a fast one in and she just laughed and seemed ok with it), fuck in 3 positions. Some of you may want more but I was happy just to stick my dick in such a cutie. Maybe the other girls do more stuff.

Girl that Andrei recommended.

She had the face of a top model. Amazing, expressive eyes. Thin body and small boobs but she was perfect for me. Very kind too. We did a lot of things but YMMV because I'm 32, decent-looking and good-smelling. I pray that Andrei does not give her to gross old dudes and honestly wish for her a better life, a real job and / or rich, handsome husband because she deserves it.

[Misterxxx]

Darling Disco.

Andrei...Sorry, but this is a simple strip club and no disco. It's also called "Club Darling". There are 100% professional girls. It has nothing to do with a disco and a "real" pick-up.

Lazy day for your "Andrei". It seems that he has no real amateur girls if he "must" bring you to a public and well-known brothel.

[Riina]

Sorry, but this is a simple strip club and no disco. It's also called "Club Darling". There are 100% professional girls. It has nothing to do with a disco and a "real" pick-up.

Lazy day for your "Andrei". It seems that he has no real amateur girls if he "must" bring you to a public and well-known brothel.Sounds like Andreii is a tout for Darling or some other establishment. A pimp that brings his clients to somebody else's brothel doesn't makes sense. "Yes Mr. Pimp come into my place and steal my girls".

It's better to say he's an adult guide with no talent to find a girl.

Have a great day!
Riina

[HugeDickMan]

Sorry, but this is a simple strip club and no disco. It's also called "Club Darling". There are 100% professional girls. It has nothing to do with a disco and a "real" pick-up.

Lazy day for your "Andrei". It seems that he has no real amateur girls if he "must" bring you to a public and well-known brothel.I know it's a *****house dude, just saying what its name on the door is. Maybe Andrei brought me there because it was close to our meeting place and based on my description he thought I'd like some girls there. I was happy with my pick anyway, she looked like the girl Captain America kissed in Civil War but younger and Eastern European. In fact I screwed her once, bought her a drink and sat with her for awhile, then screwed her again, this time longer. The managers of the club are both nice ladies, no pressure and pretty too, I gave them both a hug before leaving.

[YellowPaul]

It's been said before but I wanted to add my comments to all those previous posts that have complained about prices and professionalism in Kiev and about how all the best girls are now no longer in Kiev. Having just returned from Ukraine here are some examples of how the girls have become or are in the process of becoming hardcore jet setting escorts with prices to match:

Example 1.

Took a really lovely young lady back to my hotel who was sold to me as not being very experienced in escorting. She was indeed sweet and gentle but as I went down to dine on her why I couldn't help but observe that her arse bore all the signs of a well traveled passage. Talking later she told me that she had not visit Western Europe but had been to Emirates and Dubai! I wonder why?

Example 2.

Got a nice enough girl from Mamba who told me how she had started out in Shooters and was now saving up for a visa.

Example 3.

In a restaurant when I couldn't help but hear an attractive hooker tell her client how she had just got back from Barbados.

Example 4.

Took an attractive lady in her mid twenties out from Buddha Bar who told me that my 5 star hotel was not a patch on the one she had stayed at in Oman.

This is new reality. All the girls now know that the going rate is at least $100 and many of the girls have already sampled the delights of Dubai and expect to be paid accordingly.

In this new reality us old timers are forced back on to our existing contacts. For those newbies I suggest you contact our favorite pimp Andrei to show you the ropes. PM me if you want his details.

Anyone hoping to stumble on a hidden gem in a bar / club these days is delusional.Here how bad things are now as in the sponsor game in Ukraine. I noticed my current GF had her good friend in Saint Marteen currently on her Instagram. Turns out her boyfriend also flew out the girls Mother as well as her.

I was like.... Mother??

WTF. Talk about inflation. The blond is probably 9 body wise and 7 face to averages in my to a 8 in my books. I figure the guy must be a least 60 if he's paying for family members to tag along and she's late 20's single Mom type.

My girl is a relative newbie compared to her friend as I'm her first foreigner and she has never been on a plane or gone outside the country.

I told my girl instead of bringing her mother next we meet.....I might consider her bringing her younger sister who is 10 years younger and hotter. She never mentions anymore about bringing anyone anymore.

[Riina]

Here how bad things are now as in the sponsor game in Ukraine. I noticed my current GF had her good friend in Saint Marteen currently on her Instagram. Turns out her boyfriend also flew out the girls Mother as well as her.

I was like.... Mother??

WTF. Talk about inflation. The blond is probably 9 body wise and 7 face to averages in my to a 8 in my books. I figure the guy must be a least 60 if he's paying for family members to tag along and she's late 20's single Mom type.

My girl is a relative newbie compared to her friend as I'm her first foreigner and she has never been on a plane or gone outside the country.

I told my girl instead of bringing her mother next we meet.....I might consider her bringing her younger sister who is 10 years younger and hotter. She never mentions anymore about bringing anyone anymore.When moms come into the picture, usually the sponsor is likely to marry the girl and is no longer perceived as a walking ATM. Just my experience.

[YellowPaul]

When moms come into the picture, usually the sponsor is likely to marry the girl and is no longer perceived as a walking ATM. Just my experience.I agree with you up to a point.

Sure if a guys going to pay for her Mom he maybe getting serious about her.

However all her pictures that she posts are never with her sponsor (I guess he is the cameraman too). Meaning in typical Ukrainian fashion she is keeping her options open.

[BellBottomsDJ]

I have been to Kiev before about 4-5 years ago and I am returning this spring (I will post some reports soon. Maybe outdated a little, but I had some very interesting experiences). I was curious what kind of response rate some of you are getting on Mamba. It appears most of these girls reply to 10-15% of their messages, and that seems to be accurate for every 10 messages I send, I get 1 or maybe 2 replies. But, what percentage of these women on this site are interested in PFP? 10% 75%? . How do you guys usually propose the offer (and how do you determine of they are interested in PFP in the first place). I had my IP address blocked for asking girls this question, and for sending some "copy paste messages". Apparently they lift the ban after a 2-3 months since I can now get back on and set up a new account from my IP. I want to be more cautious this time, but I am curious what you guys think. I didn't know of Mamba on my last visit, but I want to dabble with it before I go. My trip is still 4 months away, but I plan to have more contacts than I can possibly meet on this visit so I am spending limited time with my pants on! Ha.

Thanks.

[AColonizer]

What about the blocking of Mamba accounts, it depends by the luck, only: when a subscriber founds a disgruntled administrator, then everything is bad for him / her.


I have been to Kiev before about 4-5 years ago and I am returning this spring (I will post some reports soon. Maybe outdated a little, but I had some very interesting experiences). I was curious what kind of response rate some of you are getting on Mamba. It appears most of these girls reply to 10-15% of their messages, and that seems to be accurate for every 10 messages I send, I get 1 or maybe 2 replies. But, what percentage of these women on this site are interested in PFP? 10% 75%? . How do you guys usually propose the offer (and how do you determine of they are interested in PFP in the first place). I had my IP address blocked for asking girls this question, and for sending some "copy paste messages". Apparently they lift the ban after a 2-3 months since I can now get back on and set up a new account from my IP. I want to be more cautious this time, but I am curious what you guys think. I didn't know of Mamba on my last visit, but I want to dabble with it before I go. My trip is still 4 months away, but I plan to have more contacts than I can possibly meet on this visit so I am spending limited time with my pants on! Ha.

Thanks.

[AColonizer]

Just for your information, I have attached a picture of the bestseller sex tools on sale in the Arab health exhibition in Dubai on the 30 January: I guess Muslim men are real lovers with our sweet Slavic women. Ha ha ha.

[Russel4339]

I have been to Kiev before about 4-5 years ago and I am returning this spring (I will post some reports soon. Maybe outdated a little, but I had some very interesting experiences). I was curious what kind of response rate some of you are getting on Mamba. It appears most of these girls reply to 10-15% of their messages, and that seems to be accurate for every 10 messages I send, I get 1 or maybe 2 replies. But, what percentage of these women on this site are interested in PFP? 10% 75%? . How do you guys usually propose the offer (and how do you determine of they are interested in PFP in the first place). I had my IP address blocked for asking girls this question, and for sending some "copy paste messages". Apparently they lift the ban after a 2-3 months since I can now get back on and set up a new account from my IP. I want to be more cautious this time, but I am curious what you guys think. I didn't know of Mamba on my last visit, but I want to dabble with it before I go. My trip is still 4 months away, but I plan to have more contacts than I can possibly meet on this visit so I am spending limited time with my pants on! Ha.

Thanks.I have found that many of the professional ladies on Mamba will not answer messages where the meeting cannot be that day (or the next, maximum). This makes it difficult to plan ahead for meetings in several weeks or months. (This has gotten worse over the past several years).

How to tell if they want PFP? Look for women looking for sponsorship. Or looking for sex and meetings but not seeking relationships or marriages. Or women who are looking for men of all ages. Look for women who just have that slutty, P4 P, seductive smile. It ain't that hard.

As to proposing things, I just suggest that we meet. If they think meeting is a good idea, I suggest we meet at my hotel. By this time, the lady will have made it clear that she meets only for monetary renumeration. And then you can establish a price. (Always good to do upfront. Surprises are no fun).

Good luck. Would be interesting to know if you can make legit contacts 4 months out.

[Guntherus]

Sure if a guys going to pay for her Mom he maybe getting serious about her.Serious about the mom, too!? I think sit would be a bold move to bang them both, maybe together. Sisters what? Has anyone tried this before?

[Riina]

Serious about the mom, too!? I think sit would be a bold move to bang them both, maybe together. Sisters what? Has anyone tried this before?Moms and sisters are a taboo in my experience.

[Guntherus]

Moms and sisters are a taboo in my experience.Yeah, I knew that it is a crazy plan, but sometimes it is the only way out. The mother is almost certainly going without sex for a year or more, so she's all the more a tempting conquest. Not that she's ugly, she has the body of a teenager.

[MagicSheep74]

Hello guys,

I went to Kiev last year with a little preparations from this very informative and useful forum. I find the whole obsession with a Ukrainian women a little strange. I believe in the West we are bombarded with dating sites pics, instgram, photohopped Slavic beauties. I believe the Ukrainian women along the Russians are the most artificially created beauties in modern times. They are masters of portraying themselves as goddesses with are almost untouchable unless your a seriously rich. But remove the tight fitting clothes, heels, and all the make-up and you are just left with a daily attractive women. The Models are now on Instagram to find there wealthy suitors.

On my day to day around the main street and the city center I never say anyway above a 7/10 , but then step into the high end nightclubs such as Sky Bar, Avalon etc and you are faced with these model type women. Is it the same women you see day to day, yes of course it is. They are just standing in 6 Inch Heels and spent 3 hours in beauty saloon before coming out.

I was there 5 days, and got 2 of the best girls from mambu around to my hotel that I could find. 11 Mirrors Design Hotel. Girls looked a 9, but when arrived were actually a 7. Reasonable experience was given and was fairly satisfied with the experience overall, Although would not repeat- $10.

Shooters was good fun and found a 6 ft 2, Black Hair, Blued Stunner there. She spoke no English and we could not even negotiate a price.

Went to Rio twice. Both times took home as 8/10 back to my hotel. She was a lovely girl that used to be a Nurse and provide a great service - $300.

I did find ' Tinder and Travel Dates to be a useful resource for probably next time, Did not get the chance to fully utilize it, I believe my next stop will be Moscow, they have one very high end massage parlor and about 3 Strip Clubs with sex on the premises. Might also pop my head in Night Flight, although I believe its have its day.

I am live in the South of Spain, so I am kind of spoiled with easy no hassle sex in many of the giant clubs along the Costa Del Sol who are easily as beautiful I what I see here.

I reckon the Top Level Girls in Kiev, these mythical model type are either long gone, have local boyfriends, or holidays with rich guys who proposition them through there instgram account.

Happy New Year.

[Misc123]

Moms and sisters are a taboo in my experience.When you say Taboo, do you mean the relationship with the original girl is destroyed as a result?

[Naknik]

Hey guys,

I'm planning to go to Kiev on the weekend and seeing many people recommend Andrei again and again I have to ask.

Is Andrei that different from the dozens of other pimps on the street? I've had some great results with random pimps and in fact many of them share the same girls pool. Does he have an exclusive access to places others don't?

[Riina]

When you say Taboo, do you mean the relationship with the original girl is destroyed as a result?For me, any pass to go that way was quickly frowned upon by my girl, but threesomes with friends were ok. I don't understand how banging the mom can make anything better. More of a mental fantasy best satiated by your own hand.

[DramaFree11]

Hello guys,

I went to Kiev last year with a little preparations from this very informative and useful forum. I find the whole obsession with a Ukrainian women a little strange. I believe in the West we are bombarded with dating sites pics, instgram, photohopped Slavic beauties. I believe the Ukrainian women along the Russians are the most artificially created beauties in modern times. They are masters of portraying themselves as goddesses with are almost untouchable unless your a seriously rich. But remove the tight fitting clothes, heels, and all the make-up and you are just left with a daily attractive women. The Models are now on Instagram to find there wealthy suitors.

On my day to day around the main street and the city center I never say anyway above a 7/10 , but then step into the high end nightclubs such as Sky Bar, Avalon etc and you are faced with these model type women. Is it the same women you see day to day, yes of course it is. They are just standing in 6 Inch Heels and spent 3 hours in beauty saloon before coming out..You are correct, there a very few girls above a 6 left in Kiev. Kiev is still a great City, but for dating and girls, many better destinations.

[Misc123]

For me, any pass to go that way was quickly frowned upon by my girl, but threesomes with friends were ok. I don't understand how banging the mom can make anything better. More of a mental fantasy best satiated by your own hand.I had a girl in the past who was fine with me banging her and her sister separate and threesome together. We did it many times. And I know many girls for whom that is a strict No. Depends on the girl I guess.

[BellBottomsDJ]

(Intro).

I have promised a few people a retro report from my visit a few years ago to Kiev. If you are a newbie, and have never been to Ukraine or Eastern Europe, you may get value from this, Short intro; My friend married a woman from Ukraine about 8 years ago and when I met her for the first time I was in shock how hot she was (given my friend is about as attractive as a floor mop), I thought all these Ukraine women had hairy arm pits and gapped out teeth. Boy was I wrong (except for a few gapped teeth peppered into the mix. Ughhhh). I have always had above average game in the USA and I have dated my fair share of 9's & 10's in an area of the USA that is known more for cows & corn fields than for hot women (Kansas). Where I live, hot women are a rare resource and feminism is alive and well!.

Most of the posts I see here are 80%+ PFP. This was not really something I had considered at first because I did not know it even existed as an underground industry in Ukraine until shortly before I went, so my start was looking for women on dating sites (but it paid off). I even paid $500 to join one site (the one my friend met his wife on), but I would never do this "pay site" thing again looking at it now (there are plenty of free ones out there), but it turned out to be a great investment looking back because the one girl I met from there ended up being my fuck buddy / tour guide every other night while I was in Kiev.

So. I spent about 3 months on these sites striking up conversations with women. I spoke no Russian and all of these women were looking for marriage (so they said). My moto was "Why marry one and bring her to the USA when I can go over there and fuck them all". I talked to 150-200 women and only a handful were interesting to me. The mega hotties seemed to be aloof and having conversation with them was like talking to the wallpaper (if they even responded half the time). I finally decided to just book a flight and go. I had no plan and no specific woman that I was coming to see, but there was the one girl that I did have good communication with online and I did give her notice that I was coming.

(First day).

When I arrived in Kiev I was a little nervous. This was my first time going to the other side of the world to a place where I did not speak the language (Alone) and my only trip outside the USA in my life was at a resort in Mexico with 40 other friends. Hardly what I would consider an international adventure. When the apartment rental company took me to my apartment that I had pre-booked online I was shocked!! The pictures of the apartment looked awesome and it was a decent place inside, BUT when we entered the building it looked like the remains of WWII in the hallways and the elevator smelled like [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109), and in my country it would have been condemned 20 years ago. The panel in the elevator had floor numbers written next to the buttons with black magic marker and when the elevator moved, I was praying it wouldn't collapse into the basement. After the driver left the apartment, the culture shock began to settle in! I heard Kiev was cheap, but I wasn't taking chances. I brought $1500 USD cash, a travel ATM card with $2000 on it and my credit card in case of emergency (for 10 days. Hahaha) . I walked outside and the first thing I noticed was there were no street signs on the corners. My map I brought with me was now useless and I had no idea where I was (even a compass would have helped)! I was starving from a 20+ hour plane travel trip and I was beginning to freak out a little because I could not read any building signs. I walked around the block once hoping I would not get stabbed or robbed and the first thing I wanted to do was get some local currency. When I found and ATM, I put my card in the ATM machine praying it would come back out. It worked! Haha. I brought a pre-paid phone, but I had no card for it yet, so I got online and reached out to the primary girl I had been talking to and told her "Come get me. I have no idea where I am, I am starving and I have no idea which direction is north". So, this is where the fun begins.

(The girl).

I treated her just like I treat any American woman I ever dated. I gave her the address from my paperwork and told her to just come up, ring my door bell, and I would be ready and we can go. She immediately reacted with "No. I don't know you and I am not coming up to your apartment! I was a little taken back by her stance, so we agreed to meet outside on the sidewalk (remember this part, as it does come full circle later. Hehe). She takes me by a few places and explains the food. I finally decide on a place that I liked and we went inside and had dinner and a couple of drinks (she did all the translating). This girl was 23 and just as cute in person as in her pictures and I had a great time at dinner with her, great conversation and the service was very accommodating. We decided to go to a pub, and I got the check and paid it and then I left a tip on the table. About 60-70 UHA I think. When she saw this tip, she freaked out! She immediately grabbed x2 of the 20 UAH notes and shoved them back to me and said "no, that is too much". To me, dinner was cheap, service was great and the little extra amount was not more to me than the cost of a tip in the USA or buying a friend a beer at a bar. Can someone explain this? Why would she freak out? Its not even her money! We left this place and she took me to some local pub that was hidden away behind a building complex and it was the coolest pub I saw while I was in Kiev. I could never find it again after that night, but maybe someone can help me out if I explain this place (I have several pictures from inside too). It was very unique. So we sit down across from each other and we start drinking beers. I am teasing her and making fun of her (in a funny way just like I do with American women). We had a few drinks before at dinner and we were both starting to get tipsy and I decide to make a move. I look at her and say "Come over here and sit by me" And BLAM! She jumps out of her seat like a kangaroo and comes over and drops herself right onto my lap! I was a little surprised. She didn't even question my motives and I looked in her eyes for about 3 seconds and she just buried her tongue down my throat right there in the bar! Hahaha. And this is the same woman that would not come up to my apartment less than 2 hours earlier because she had never met me and didn't know me very well. Hahaha. To summarize this story up; we were all over each other at the bar and I got a taxi and she came back to my apartment without hesitation. She was practically tearing my clothes off in the alley behind the apartment building before we even got inside the building. I should have fucked right up against the wall outside, but my better judgment of being in a foreign country kicked in so we continued our shenanigans inside for the rest of the night. Yes, I got laid for free!

That was day 1. I had all kinds of weirdo's and freak shows I met also, and will post more later. I hear Kiev has changed, but I am trying to stay optimistic. I have to say that if it wasn't for this girl, my trip would have been labeled a bust in my eyes. She spent half my time in Kiev with me and never questioned what I did when she wasn't around every other night (I do suspect she might have been in a "on and off" relationship at the time too, but I can't say for sure.

[YummyPL]

when we entered the building it looked like the remains of WWII in the hallways and the elevator smelled like...Very common in the post-Soviet world. Unless the building is new, Entrance halls and stairwells are usually from bad to horrible.


When she saw this tip, she freaked out! She immediately grabbed x2 of the 20 UAH notes and shoved them back to me and said "no, that is too much".Tipping in Europe as a percentage is generally far lower than in the USA. Waiters actually get paid a decent salary (well, at least for ukraine). Tipping excessively makes you look like a fool even if it seems normal to you.

[RalphFbb]

Hello guys,

New to the forum, I am trying to read every post when I have time.

I am going to Kiev next month with a friend, and want to ask you guys if you could share some good contacts with me.

Or what should I do and where to go?

I am trying mamba badoo travel girls for now.

And had good experience with sites before when I was in Dubai so trying for Kiev now.

[RalphFbb]

Hello guys,

Could you please share some contact of the girls.

I am going there next month and trying to read the posts when I have time.

Some good amateur girls would be nice.

[Riina]

I hear Kiev has changed, but I am trying to stay optimistic.Yep, the day of the sport fuckers visiting Kiev is over.


My friend married a woman from Ukraine about 8 years ago and when I met her for the first time I was in shock how hot she was (given my friend is about as attractive as a floor mop), I thought all these Ukraine women had hairy arm pits and gapped out teeth. Boy was I wrong (except for a few gapped teeth peppered into the mix. Ughhhh).I think single men have always found a romanticism about Ukraine. A country of beautiful women with traditional values coupled with a huge economic potential. I hope the president elect firms up with Ukraine rather then this disinterested approach by the current guy. Root out corruption or else half Russia and half Poland. And permanent residency for all single male Americans. LOL.

[Lando1906]

Sorry guys to tell you:

I registered new and got the number of Andrii and contacted him.

Finally he told me not to contact him again, he told me something of death of her wife or child. I was sad and told him as well. Didn't answer messages any more and after all he told me I should never disturb him any time.

OK, very strange and sad contact. I will forget this pimp.

[BobSmith1]

I know what you talking about. Gapped out teeth. Its not their fault. Its the water quality very bad. Not of them have gapped out teeth so pick the ones that has not. I kinda want to move there too. All the girls I met just want to marry me. They said they were very sad because I don't want a serious relationship. I feel sad too. I rarely get that many girls in US. I just want to move there. There are just too many girls there and 40% of them are very pretty. In US- 50% fat ones- 20% drug addicted-20% white trashed- 5% over educated, over bitched, over anything. What you got left is 5%. Ukraine is the only place for me.


Yep, the day of the sport fuckers visiting Kiev is over.

I think single men have always found a romanticism about Ukraine. A country of beautiful women with traditional values coupled with a huge economic potential. I hope the president elect firms up with Ukraine rather then this disinterested approach by the current guy. Root out corruption or else half Russia and half Poland. And permanent residency for all single male Americans. LOL.

[Ming0457]

Most of the girls in Kiev can only work for agents controlled by the mafia. If they operate on her own she will have problems with the police because the police is paid by the mafia to knockout competitions. The girls get only about 40% and works like a sex slave.

[Riina]

I know what you talking about. Gapped out teeth. Its not their fault. Its the water quality very bad. Not of them have gapped out teeth so pick the ones that has not.I didn't mention anything about gapped teeth, but I'll say most guys don't care.


I kinda want to move there too. All the girls I met just want to marry me. They said they were very sad because I don't want a serious relationship. I feel sad too. I rarely get that many girls in US. I just want to move there. There are just too many girls there and 40% of them are very pretty. In US- 50% fat ones- 20% drug addicted-20% white trashed- 5% over educated, over bitched, over anything. What you got left is 5%. Ukraine is the only place for me.Sure.

[AColonizer]

I should be grateful if you explain how you met those marrying girls in Kiev.


I know what you talking about. Gapped out teeth. Its not their fault. Its the water quality very bad. Not of them have gapped out teeth so pick the ones that has not. I kinda want to move there too. All the girls I met just want to marry me. They said they were very sad because I don't want a serious relationship. I feel sad too. I rarely get that many girls in US. I just want to move there. There are just too many girls there and 40% of them are very pretty. In US- 50% fat ones- 20% drug addicted-20% white trashed- 5% over educated, over bitched, over anything. What you got left is 5%. Ukraine is the only place for me.

[UaAdviser]

Hi to all guests and guys, who are planning to visit Kiev soon!

I live in Kiev and my person could be useful for some tips and advises during your visit to Kiev! Of course, I can help you with the girls. Not working girls / salons / professionals. Just a college girls (18-22), who can meet you for a good cash!) I can guarantee, that you will be pleased with my services!

To be in compliance with this Forum's rules, I need a Member status. To have an option to share my contacts with you via Private messages. I don't know any other way to do this.

So here is the deal: For that guy, who will pay for my Member status (in my favor) - I will help to choose the girl (or even two girls together) whom you will like and arrange a meeting with you. Free of charge!) Usually, this my services cost more, so the deal is good! Please, be aware, that an evening with the girls are starting from 100-150 $!

I am the person who cares about the reputation and, basically, I wouldn't receive any benefits from this favor and status. Except the possibility to use private messages and help you have a fun.

If you have any questions and concerns. Please, ask.

[Volpone]

Most of the girls in Kiev can only work for agents controlled by the mafia. If they operate on her own she will have problems with the police because the police is paid by the mafia to knockout competitions. The girls get only about 40% and works like a sex slave.Interesting to read the point of view of an experienced member. How many times have you been in Kiev? Have you found that on Internet?

Do the freebies on Mamba have a pimp? Are you sure that they get 40%? It might be more or less? Do you know who is the mafia in Ukraine? I suppose not, otherwise you won't have written that: " because the police is paid by the mafia to knockout competitions. ".

[RocketMan0010]

Hi to all guests and guys, who are planning to visit Kiev soon!

I live in Kiev and my person could be useful for some tips and advises during your visit to Kiev! Of course, I can help you with the girls. Not working girls / salons / professionals. Just a college girls (18-22), who can meet you for a good cash!) I can guarantee, that you will be pleased with my services!

To be in compliance with this Forum's rules, I need a Member status. To have an option to share my contacts with you via Private messages. I don't know any other way to do this.

So here is the deal: For that guy, who will pay for my Member status (in my favor) - I will help to choose the girl (or even two girls together) whom you will like and arrange a meeting with you. Free of charge!) Usually, this my services cost more, so the deal is good! Please, be aware, that an evening with the girls are starting from 100-150 $!

I am the person who cares about the reputation and, basically, I wouldn't receive any benefits from this favor and status. Except the possibility to use private messages and help you have a fun.

If you have any questions and concerns. Please, ask.Something doesn't add up. Isn't it like $10 to buy membership? And in return you're going to set up a meeting with 1-2 girls that otherwise costs $100+? (It doesn't, but that's a whole other matter). Please explain. You can write in Russian, and I will translate for everyone.

[Riina]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wealthy-british-businessman-murdered-ukraine-9683672

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3786915/Italian-billionaire-reported-wife-former-Miss-Ukraine-missing-sues-seeing-Instagram-pictures-New-York.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/west-hollywood-murder-suspect-blake-899164

Amazing how many bizarre stories emerge about Ukrainian wives.

[Misc123]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wealthy-british-businessman-murdered-ukraine-9683672

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3786915/Italian-billionaire-reported-wife-former-Miss-Ukraine-missing-sues-seeing-Instagram-pictures-New-York.html

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/west-hollywood-murder-suspect-blake-899164

Amazing how many bizarre stories emerge about Ukrainian wives.Percentage wise, is it any different than other couples in UK, USA, Canada? In the last case the man is the maniac.

[Riina]

Percentage wise, is it any different than other couples in UK, USA, Canada? Probably no, if you factor couples with big differences in finances and culture.

Money and pussy, so blinding.

[YummyPL]

Something doesn't add up. Isn't it like $10 to buy membership? And in return you're going to set up a meeting with 1-2 girls that otherwise costs $100+? (It doesn't, but that's a whole other matter). Please explain. You can write in Russian, and I will translate for everyone.I think he is saying he won't charge you for the hook-up service but the girls will charge 100-150+.

[UaAdviser]

Something doesn't add up. Isn't it like $10 to buy membership? And in return you're going to set up a meeting with 1-2 girls that otherwise costs $100+? (It doesn't, but that's a whole other matter). Please explain. You can write in Russian, and I will translate for everyone.Maybe I wasn't clear, I won't take money for my services (seeking and arranging with the girl whom you like). Despite that, you should pay to the girl for the meeting.

Why are you so confident, non-professional girl who doesn't sleep with the strangers every day doesn't cost 100-150 $ per evening?) I told you more. Many beautiful girls (models) cost much more. There are customers for each goods).

[RocketMan0010]

Maybe I wasn't clear, I won't take money for my services (seeking and arranging with the girl whom you like). Despite that, you should pay to the girl for the meeting.

Why are you so confident, non-professional girl who doesn't sleep with the strangers every day doesn't cost 100-150 $ per evening?) I told you more. Many beautiful girls (models) cost much more. There are customers for each goods).My mistake, I missed the word "evening" in your post. Yes, that would be a fair price for an evening with a non-pro. It looks like you were already made a member? So how would your services work now?

[AlphaDude]

Maybe I wasn't clear, I won't take money for my services (seeking and arranging with the girl whom you like). Despite that, you should pay to the girl for the meeting.

Why are you so confident, non-professional girl who doesn't sleep with the strangers every day doesn't cost 100-150 $ per evening?) I told you more. Many beautiful girls (models) cost much more. There are customers for each goods).I just spent the last 2 days reading through this forum and although I have a better grasp on things, I still am a little lost.

I'm a young, Fit, and considered good looking by some standards, but I went on Mamba and messaged 60 or so girls and have gotten replies to over 1/2 in the last couple of days.

I just told them I was coming in town and asked if they wanted to do dinner and show me around. Only a couple of them ever mentioned any money or anything of the sort. Am I getting normal dates agreements because of face control or am I to assume that they are going to quote me a price at our date?

Anyways. I do not know anybody in town and would be interested in meeting up with you to secure your services in case I don't end up pulling on my own.

[Raffzahn]

So here is the deal: For that guy, who will pay for my Member status (in my favor) - I will help to choose the girl (or even two girls together) whom you will like and arrange a meeting with you. Free of charge!) Usually, this my services cost more, so the deal is good! Please, be aware, that an evening with the girls are starting from 100-150 $!Now that sounds genuine UA. Anywhere else in the world, someone starting a business would just go ahead and invest 20 bucks in a business, where even the first customer would pay back the whole amount just not FSU).

H.

[Riina]

I'm a young, Fit, and considered good looking by some standards, but I went on Mamba and messaged 60 or so girls and have gotten replies to over 1/2 in the last couple of days.

I doubt it. I've experimented in different ways on Mamba. My most recent was with photos of my younger cousin, an attractive twenty something. I'l just say Mamba is almost useless.

Maybe a Ukrainian with the looks of Leo DiCaprio at 21 could get your reply rate.

[Bill1963]

Hi to all guests and guys, who are planning to visit Kiev soon!

I live in Kiev and my person could be useful for some tips and advises during your visit to Kiev! Of course, I can help you with the girls. Not working girls / salons / professionals. Just a college girls (18-22), who can meet you for a good cash!) I can guarantee, that you will be pleased with my services!

To be in compliance with this Forum's rules, I need a Member status. To have an option to share my contacts with you via Private messages. I don't know any other way to do this.

So here is the deal: For that guy, who will pay for my Member status (in my favor) - I will help to choose the girl (or even two girls together) whom you will like and arrange a meeting with you. Free of charge!) Usually, this my services cost more, so the deal is good! Please, be aware, that an evening with the girls are starting from 100-150 $!

I am the person who cares about the reputation and, basically, I wouldn't receive any benefits from this favor and status. Except the possibility to use private messages and help you have a fun.

If you have any questions and concerns. Please, ask.You don't have 10.00 to set up a membership?

[UaAdviser]

My mistake, I missed the word "evening" in your post. Yes, that would be a fair price for an evening with a non-pro. It looks like you were already made a member? So how would your services work now?Actually, I need a paid subscription to have a possibility to use Private messages for sharing contacts with potential clients) That's the main goal.

My services works simple:

- we communicate, you provide requirements;.

- we take a cup of coffee in Kiev, I show 3-5 girls, you choose;.

- we agree about date and time, I give you the girl's contact;.

- if you are pleased and want to continue cooperation. We meet one more time and you pay one time fee to me. If not. Than not.

That's how it works now with my foreign friends).

[SgtBoyle2]

Sorry guys to tell you:

I registered new and got the number of Andrii and contacted him.

Finally he told me not to contact him again, he told me something of death of her wife or child. I was sad and told him as well. Didn't answer messages any more and after all he told me I should never disturb him any time.

OK, very strange and sad contact. I will forget this pimp.I am sorry things didn't work out. Andrei is not your normal pimp. He is a really nice guy and his baby daughter has been really I'll these last few months so perhaps you contacted him at a bad moment. He won't just supply photos anyway which is what I believe you asked for. With Andrei he likes to check you out first before he'll hook you up with some girls. Pass the tests and you've got a good friend in Kiev as others on this site will testify. Fail and you are no worse off than you were before.

Hope you've managed to make good use of your registration anyway. Personally I have always found this site invaluable.

[SgtBoyle2]

Most of the girls in Kiev can only work for agents controlled by the mafia. If they operate on her own she will have problems with the police because the police is paid by the mafia to knockout competitions. The girls get only about 40% and works like a sex slave.I am as suspicious of this as Volpone. I have certainly been told that Gia is controlled by the police and that is why no other escort site shows real photos. Whatever % the girls get from Gia those that stay seem to do alright financially judging by their clothes and bags and indeed holidays. It's a hard job but financially rewarding.

I have never gained the impression that the girls themselves are "slaves". Necessitous circumstances may have led them into escorting / stripping but the decision to stay is their own. Whether it is free or not really comes down to your view of free market economics.

The clubs / agencies certainly do object to freelancing and I am told use stooges to see if the girls give out their own numbers. However lots of girls have still given me their number (I never ask for theirs but, if I like, them provide mine) and seem to have no trouble making themselves available for weekends / trips when invited. Moreover most of the girls that you meet at Buddha bar and other clubs started out with an agency or a strip club so have clearly been able to leave. Life is hard in Ukraine but the girls themselves get streetwise very quickly (much to our detriment) and learn how to play the system. A bit like everywhere really.

[Volpone]

I doubt it. I've experimented in different ways on Mamba. My most recent was with photos of my younger cousin, an attractive twenty something. I'l just say Mamba is almost useless.

Maybe a Ukrainian with the looks of Leo DiCaprio at 21 could get your reply rate.Riina is right. I doubt it too. You could get that rate 15 years ago and maybe more. Most of the girls in Kiev now don't care about foreigners.

[AlphaDude]

I doubt it. I've experimented in different ways on Mamba. My most recent was with photos of my younger cousin, an attractive twenty something. I'l just say Mamba is almost useless.

Maybe a Ukrainian with the looks of Leo DiCaprio at 21 could get your reply rate.Doubt what? That they are real girls or that I actually got 50% reply?

I'm not making it up. LOL I'm trying to figure how this works.

[AlphaDude]

Riina is right. I doubt it too. You could get that rate 15 years ago and maybe more. Most of the girls in Kiev now don't care about foreigners.OK guys. I didn't mean to hurt any egos.

Lets just say Hypothetically for the sake of the thread. If you were to get 40% reply rate, and 20% agree to come out on a dinner date. Would it be assumed that they are going to quote a price upon meeting or would that normally be done before hand?

I don't want to mess things up with potential girls by asking them if they are hookers. LOL.

[DramaFree11]

This is 100% correct, they would much be with a local guy and for the most parts, Ukraine guys are real nice people.

[Member #4722]

OK guys. I didn't mean to hurt any egos.

Lets just say Hypothetically for the sake of the thread. If you were to get 40% reply rate, and 20% agree to come out on a dinner date. Would it be assumed that they are going to quote a price upon meeting or would that normally be done before hand?

I don't want to mess things up with potential girls by asking them if they are hookers. LOL.You can only learn so much from this forum. You have to try it out on your own. If they are "looking for sponsor" on Mamba then it's P4P. Otherwise they might be looking for a real relationship or maybe just a free night out on the town (happened to me before, read my past reports). I would say never mention money until they do first!

[UaAdviser]

I just spent the last 2 days reading through this forum and although I have a better grasp on things, I still am a little lost.

I'm a young, Fit, and considered good looking by some standards, but I went on Mamba and messaged 60 or so girls and have gotten replies to over 1/2 in the last couple of days.

I just told them I was coming in town and asked if they wanted to do dinner and show me around. Only a couple of them ever mentioned any money or anything of the sort. Am I getting normal dates agreements because of face control or am I to assume that they are going to quote me a price at our date?

Anyways. I do not know anybody in town and would be interested in meeting up with you to secure your services in case I don't end up pulling on my own.I think that you arrange for a normal date, there is nothing about the money.

We need paid membership to have a possibilty to use private messages for sharing our contact details. I don't know any different ways.

Is anybody here interested for real meetings with the girls in Kiev? I am starting to think that 20 $ is way too much for the citizens here.

[Guntherus]

You can only learn so much from this forum. You have to try it out on your own. If they are "looking for sponsor" on Mamba then it's P4 P. Otherwise they might be looking for a real relationship or maybe just a free night out on the town (happened to me before, read my past reports). I would say never mention money until they do first!This is so right. Read the situation, always show respect. As it happened, I met a young girl 21 from Mamba yesterday, I think she agreed to coffee meeting only because I'm from Germany and she wants to live there with a distant relative and learn business. Anyway, she is a salesperson and gets a phonecall, and makes excuses. I say, it is most important to take good care of customers and that I always take verrry good care of my girls. She lightens up, and when I notice this I tell here I meet girls like her to have regular relationship. Would she like to see my apartment and think about sponsorship? Long story short, I banged her 90 minutes later. Again today. Her Mamba-profile says, she's looking for friendship and so.

[BobSmith1]

Maybe I wasn't clear, I won't take money for my services (seeking and arranging with the girl whom you like). Despite that, you should pay to the girl for the meeting.

Why are you so confident, non-professional girl who doesn't sleep with the strangers every day doesn't cost 100-150 $ per evening?) I told you more. Many beautiful girls (models) cost much more. There are customers for each goods).UaAdviser,

I will try to message you soon.

Some sad stories about international marriage. This will just happen every where anyways US, UK, Asia bla bla bla whatever. All I know is that I can't get girls with that kind of quality in US, I got to go there. I got to take risk no other choices. Different people have different preferences in life. My only preference is girls and money. Although I have not made enough money yet but I'm willing to let go my business for a relatively longer time so I can stay in Ukraine.

[AlphaDude]

I think that you arrange for a normal date, there is nothing about the money.

We need paid membership to have a possibilty to use private messages for sharing our contact details. I don't know any different ways.

Is anybody here interested for real meetings with the girls in Kiev? I am starting to think that 20 $ is way too much for the citizens here.I'll buy you your membership. It doesn't look like I'll be needing your services much, but It'd be nice to sit down with an English speaking local for lunch to get my self situated a bit.

[AlphaDude]

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[BellBottomsDJ]

What is the deal with these girls asking for "gifts"? I am not a 20 time traveler to Kiev, but I have been there once and had a "good time", but I recently started messaging many girls (Mamba) and they say the want "gifts". I drop a "money" offer and they say "I am not working girl. I want to give me gifts". And then one girl kept repeating "If you give nothing, you get nothing". Haha. When these girls say this, what is the translation for this if its not money?

[GDreams]

OK guys. I didn't mean to hurt any egos.

Lets just say Hypothetically for the sake of the thread. If you were to get 40% reply rate, and 20% agree to come out on a dinner date. Would it be assumed that they are going to quote a price upon meeting or would that normally be done before hand?

I don't want to mess things up with potential girls by asking them if they are hookers. LOL.Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.

[RocketMan0010]

How much do you guys offer to Mamba girls when they do ask for money?

[AlphaDude]

Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.Ya, I'm not messaging them as prostitutes.

Just like I would normally on a dating site and the response has been good so far.

I am getting Instagram and WhatsApp numbers from most of the girls that are serious about it. To be honest I'd be very surprised if any of them asked for money since they were not approached as hookers.

But only time will tell. See if these girls actually show up.

On a side note: If anybody knows how to purchase a VIP for another member, please share as I can't seem to figure it out.

[UaAdviser]

UaAdviser,

I will try to message you soon.

Some sad stories about international marriage. This will just happen every where anyways US, UK, Asia bla bla bla whatever. All I know is that I can't get girls with that kind of quality in US, I got to go there. I got to take risk no other choices. Different people have different preferences in life. My only preference is girls and money. Although I have not made enough money yet but I'm willing to let go my business for a relatively longer time so I can stay in Ukraine.Hello!

Not a problem. You can message me when you will be in Ukraine) I am an open person.

Don't know anything about the international marriages and related problems. I just having fun without any serious intentions regarding to the girls!

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[BellBottomsDJ]

Its been a while since I did this but my experience was if money is mentioned up front then why go to dinner? Expect that 30-50% of the time the girl will no show. Of the rest some you won't like and some won't like you. Then either she will agree to head back with you, ask you for money to go back with you or make an excuse. Asking for money can take the form of I lost my phone can you help me with it or something similar. If they are not a pro it is their way of getting cash without admitting to themselves they are prostitutes. Sometime you only need to offer to buy some perfume or cosmetics and they will be happy. If you just want sex for money then be upfront about it in the initial conversation and save the angst.Ahhh, I think this post sheds a little light on the matter. Good timing.

[BellBottomsDJ]

I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.

[Deer1234]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.I have been hitting Mamba pretty hard with a good reply rate once I figured it out (it's worth the $10) to filter the language and the "sex" option so you don't deal with girls that want to get into relationships and are there for PFP. The good looking ones are asking $100-150 per hour mostly or $300 a night seems to work when I offer. I am talking each one down to $100 USD for an hour pretty easily, but I haven't tried lower.

[Riina]

I appreciate that no one wants to repeat what has already been posted, but I want to talk about this "sponsorship" topic. Don't tell me to read the past posts because I spent 2 months reading a year long book of 102 pages and I am pretty much over it now. I don't go to Kiev enough to pay some chick to live an apartment that I pay for while she fucks 10 other dudes in it for money, and I am learning real quickly that I trust these girls about as much as a I trust a woman on Obamacare that says "Its okay baby, cum inside me. I'm on the pill! Nope! So how do we exploit this belief of "sponsorship"? Give me some thoughts. I have some of my own, but I want to hear some feedback from you guys.Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.

[EnricoMacias]

There is not an upper limit as you can predict. The poor wolves may even demand 2 k dollars for 1 hour. (just try to empathy, if they fool 1 fish every month, no need to stretch their pussy for the rest of the month).

Now, I think you should position for 1 hour first. 1500-2000 uah is enough for the first meeting.

After first meeting, 1000 uah will be enough for 1-2-3 hours for the second, third, . Meetings.

I have 15-20 girls who can satisfy me 2-3 hours for only 1000 uah. We call each other "my friend'. It has become a strange relation with these friends, I remember the first meetings with them. I did not care about them and just treated them in a way which they deserved. Now, we are talking about my business, their life, their kids, their family and we start sex after asking "shall we start?

If you want to hire professional agencies.

Gia starts with 150 dollars. The good girls are 200 - 300 dollars.

Darling club girls should be around 1600 uah, which is 60 usd.

Rio girls are always 300 dollars, but you should also spend around 100 usd in the club before taking the girls.

I did not meet with any girl from my dear mamasan but when I asked the price during my last visit 22-September, she told me there is an increase and her girls now 1800 uah (70 usd).

But, I do not prefer to meet the girls from from agencies because they only do covered blowjob and vaginal sex, nothing else.

It is better to find some fuck buddies whom you can support financially.


Hello,

I am going to Kiev this February.

How much does a young girl (22 years of pro-, semipro-, or amateur) usually require for a 2-hour in an apartment?

(though it should greatly depend upon her).

Which do they prefer, euro or USD?

Thank you for your useful information.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?

[BellBottomsDJ]

Sponsorship is financial support with a return of benefits ranging from an occasional sexual service to full out girlfriend.

Just go do your thing in Kiev and and when you find chemistry, your questions will all be answered. Keep in mind most guys with significant time in Kiev are looking for more complicated relationships then just an hour p4 p session. The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over.I thank you very much for the feedback. This clears some things up. I am still puzzled about your comment that "The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over". If you feel I am not looking at this the same way as you are, or I am getting ripped off, but I just got a mamba account last night, spent 3-4 hours on there and have 10-15 confirmed $100 per hour or $300 12 hour a night good looking girls ready to meet and asking when I am available and even for my address. They are asking $150 USD mostly, but $2500-3000 UAH seems to close the deal. Am I missing the point you are telling me? With all respect of course. I am curious what you mean that its over.

[Koslighet]

Hello,

I am going to Kiev for a few weeks anyone else want to meet and head out to town together? I'm in my mid 30's, I look OK and I have been many times to Ukraine before.

[GDreams]

Okay, I have run into 2 girls today from mamma that are confirmed selling their service that are telling me they want to meet in a cafe first before we go to my apartment to "do the deed" because they want to get to know me first. The second one I have not replied to, but the first on I agreed to and said "okay, do you know where Wato is? We can meet there and have lunch and get acquainted" to which she replied "Yes, but I don't like that place. We can go to Buddha Bar, Avalon, Touch Cafe". Now I do not know much about Avalon or Touch Cafe, but I know Buddha bar and the prices are not justifiable for what I would consider a simple meet and greet to get acquainted for a simple 1-2 hour arrangement at my apartment. I can see within reason meeting at a locals small coffee shop for a quick meeting, but I am assuming this is a scam to get a big expensive dinner. Anyone else have this happen before? How did you handle it?Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.Perfect. That makes sense to me.

Thank you.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Send her a map with the address of where you wish to meet, time of meeting and say that is convenient for you and ask her to confirm. If you are paying you choose the venue and if she argues then she is probably too much bother.Just another FYI, I went ahead and replied to girls one with "sorry, but no. I am not taking you to a high end place for dinner just to get acquainted. If you want to meet somewhere, then there are coffee shops all over the city that will be just fine. And if that doesn't work, then its $100 for an hour at my place or 300 for the night like we agreed, so let me know". Hahaha. To which she replied "I'll think about it". Haha. She's a sleeze!

[Riina]

This is 100% correct, they would much be with a local guy and for the most parts, Ukraine guys are real nice people.Refreshing to hear someone on this forum say Ukraine guys are real nice people. There use to be a frenchman here that would post how beastly Ukraine guys were towards their girls. I have no idea where that comes from, Western men are way more abrasive towards their women in my experience.

http://geometria.tv/places/stereoclub/events/964537?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=smm&utm_content=Album:964537

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0jsx16ifbM

Drama, in my US city, we have these pacts of young Ukrainians roaming the town. I have never seen girls have such a twinkle in their eyes towards their own guys. Hot girls that could easily elevate their social status with Americans. Do I see them mixing? Only a rare few. I was browsing Geometria the other day and surprisingly came across a photo gallery of a club I sometimes frequent in my own neighborhood. If you look at the photos, everybody is Ukrainian, even the black guys. This use to be a very good Euro club that would draw guys from throughout the city, but young guys won't go there because it's impossible to pull unless you are Ukrainian. I posted a link to a youtube video of a pact, but there's like ten more groups like this that I know of.

I'm not trying to discourage anyone from Ukraine. The opportunities are there, but don't be delusional to reality.

[Deer1234]

Now, I think you should position for 1 hour first. 1500-2000 uah is enough for the first meeting...Thank you very much for your useful information.

1800 UAH, which is 66 USD? Is not bad.

I will start with some famous night clubs.

[DramaFree11]

Very good report. I just hate to see the guys flying in from the States or Canada, the chances are slim to get any quality girls, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money. They are just not there anymore or not interested. You have to have local knowledge and a lot of time to be successful Ukraine, even then it is highly unlikely. My friends had a lot of money and were good looking they were having a hard time. 3-5 years earlier, it was easy to hook up, times have changed.

[Deer1234]

I have been hitting Mamba pretty hard with a good reply rate once I figured it out (it's worth the $10) to filter the language and the "sex" option so you don't deal with girls that want to get into relationships and are there for PFP. The good looking ones are asking $100-150 per hour mostly or $300 a night seems to work when I offer. I am talking each one down to $100 USD for an hour pretty easily, but I haven't tried lower.Thank you very much for your information. In fact, mamba seems difficult for me: I cannot figure out which photo is fake and which photo is a real photo, but taken a decade ago.

Anyway, I will start with some famous nightclubs, and try to negotiate it at 100 - 300 for a night.

[Stevie69]

Yes, fun can still be had, and for a lot less. 2500-3000 UAH is still double the going rate. Remember, high class VIP pros in places such as GIA start at 3500 UAH and half of it goes to the house.


I thank you very much for the feedback. This clears some things up. I am still puzzled about your comment that "The days of a traveler economically justifying a pussy run to Kiev is way over". If you feel I am not looking at this the same way as you are, or I am getting ripped off, but I just got a mamba account last night, spent 3-4 hours on there and have 10-15 confirmed $100 per hour or $300 12 hour a night good looking girls ready to meet and asking when I am available and even for my address. They are asking $150 USD mostly, but $2500-3000 UAH seems to close the deal. Am I missing the point you are telling me? With all respect of course. I am curious what you mean that its over.

[Stevie69]

And as I have said before, about half of that goes to the house.


I was walking near ocean plaza, when a guy offered me to visit a flat in Baseina, I was curious and I accepted just to take a look, but once there I saw 5 stunning beauties, I got a blonde blue eyed one, 1700 grivnas one hour, it was 3 AM and she so sleepy, anyway she did a good job, for sure 4 hours earlier I would get an excellent one, first massage, then BJ with condom and fuck, I was thinking those flats are so bad, but I changed my mind so fast.

[BobSmith1]

Very good report. I just hate to see the guys flying in from the States or Canada, the chances are slim to get any quality girls, even if you are willing to pay a lot of money. They are just not there anymore or not interested. You have to have local knowledge and a lot of time to be successful Ukraine, even then it is highly unlikely. My friends had a lot of money and were good looking they were having a hard time. 3-5 years earlier, it was easy to hook up, times have changed.Same as San Francisco bay area in general. During financial crisis, there were so many girls here. Now, you can spend 400/ HR and still may not find a good looking one. In Ukraine, the dating industry is becoming a mainstream industry. Agency from US responsible for bringing guys in. The agency in Ukraine is responsible bringing matches to the guys. That creates a lot of jobs. I can't give too much details. I may even open a agency there too.

[LuisVega11]

All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit).

- don't overpay. They, apart a bunch of top escort, don't have nothing zero. They survive, dos of them sucking cock to ugly and much poorer than you foreigner. I had a girlfriend she had 4 guys relation at the same time, sometimes she met 3 of them the same day. And they sponsored her with less than 240 dollar month. I read 100 dollar hour. Are you crazy? Not even Poroshenko earn 100 dollar hour). If they not step back fuck off them. There 2 million pussy in Kiev.

- don't believe anything,. Any bullshit they tell you. Don't feel anything about their lies. (mom is in hospital bla bla.) all a bunch of bullshit. Never pay online, even for VIP card in mamba. Once you showed your weakness you are fucked up.

- once you decide to make a long term history you are really fucked up. So don't do that. Just fuck them.

As far as Ukrainian guy. Yes they love their guy, the new generation is better, but still no comparison for a good foreigner educate. Ukraine is a big village, with village mentality that's why they love each other. Even if most of Ukrainian are like them, piece of shit, not help just fuck, make children and disappear leaving the girl with baby and zero money. But Ukrainian girl never complaint about their guy. The devil are foreigners.

When I read that Europe won't open Schengen to this village country.