Kyiv

[LuisVega11]

Thank you very much for your useful information.

1800 UAH, which is 66 USD? Is not bad.

I will start with some famous night clubs.Don't expect too much. I have the impression that the poorer they got the worst they became. I had fat cow asking that price and not lowering last time. You need to work hard to have a good quality. For good quality I am not referring to the club photo that has been posted in this pages. Those are for Ukrainian standard 4 maximum 5. The problem is that this quality now ask 2000 with foreigner.

http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1

Here you can see that even Ukrainian guy pay 600 700 for ugly girl. For minimum service. In Kiev the luck is only finding girl in street club supermarket. The pay scene is terrible and not worth the hassle and cold.

[Riina]

http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/erotic-sensual-massage-european-pretty-good-girls-availabel-now-top-service/49303927

If anybody cares, Christal, first Ukrainian pro I have ever met in my US home city. There's no reason for girls like this to work in Kiev. Youthful, sucking dick bare back, eating cum, an army of generous men awaits them in the West.

This one was working in Hungary. The thing is that the best performers can easily put money in the bank, pay bribes for a visa, and go to any world city.

[Jekalat]

Hello,

I am from Poland.

Today in Kiev was at a strip club RIO. I can say I was the first time in this city and the taxi driver took me to the club. Entrance free almost 200 UAH. ($ 7). Interior good. Girls a lot. Guard said that 150 8), I think probably to 100. Three floors, all dancing and changing. The girls sit down. Most interesting and beautiful. I left not one. $ 300.

Tomorrow friends lead to some new strip club, they say there is fun. I'll write tomorrow.

If you are interested club website.

http://rioclub.kiev.ua/en/

[BellBottomsDJ]

I have been on Mamba for about 4 days now, and I am running into married women that want to charge for having sex with them while their husband watches or joins (my choice). Wow! I am not sure if this is my thing, but one of these girls is smoking hot. Has anyone else ran into this? Is this normal in Kiev, or is this most likely a pimp posing as a husband. Profile says she has kids and is married. I just found it surprising so I was just curious about other guys thoughts on this.

[Jekalat]

Some photos from their official account / rioclub. Kiev. Ua. There actually are girls work.

[Deer1234]

The problem is that this quality now ask 2000 with foreigner.

In Kiev the luck is only finding girl in street club supermarket. The pay scene is terrible and not worth the hassle and cold.Thank you very much for your advice.

2000 UAH (74 USD) is still not too bad, if she is really of good quality.

I am interested in "street club supermarkets". What and where they are, and how you get a girl?

[Remo965]

Good morning, Interesting your proposal, I am interested. I come to Kiev several times a year. If possible please contact me with a private message.

Thank you.


Married couple on Mamba:

In July 2016 I met, metro Družby Narodiv, a woman brought in mambas a similar announcement, with a pleasant woman of 37 years pictures about: and 'got a unwatchable than 50 years, very bad!. Mamba photos are very different from reality, as already written many times.

[Riina]

All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit).

- don't overpay. They, apart a bunch of top escort, don't have nothing zero. They survive, dos of them sucking cock to ugly and much poorer than you foreigner. I had a girlfriend she had 4 guys relation at the same time, sometimes she met 3 of them the same day. And they sponsored her with less than 240 dollar month. I read 100 dollar hour. Are you crazy? Not even Poroshenko earn 100 dollar hour). If they not step back fuck off them. There 2 million pussy in Kiev.

- don't believe anything,. Any bullshit they tell you. Don't feel anything about their lies. (mom is in hospital bla bla.) all a bunch of bullshit. Never pay online, even for VIP card in mamba. Once you showed your weakness you are fucked up.

- once you decide to make a long term history you are really fucked up. So don't do that. Just fuck them.

As far as Ukrainian guy. Yes they love their guy, the new generation is better, but still no comparison for a good foreigner educate. Ukraine is a big village, with village mentality that's why they love each other. Even if most of Ukrainian are like them, piece of shit, not help just fuck, make children and disappear leaving the girl with baby and zero money. But Ukrainian girl never complaint about their guy. The devil are foreigners.

When I read that Europe won't open Schengen to this village country.This is an insightful post.

[Riina]

Some photos from their official account / rioclub. Kiev. Ua. There actually are girls work.Rio is like most American strip clubs. The core business is a group of guys that want to go out and enjoy some nightlife together. In the case of Rio, it's mostly local business men entertaining clients and friends. It's not a viable mongering option for solo sport shooters.

[LuisVega11]

Good morning, Interesting your proposal, I am interested. I come to Kiev several times a year. If possible please contact me with a private message.

Thank you.Go in Kiev and answer message of 37 years old woman?

The problem is you not her.

[LuisVega11]

Thank you very much for your advice.

2000 UAH (74 USD) is still not too bad, if she is really of good quality.

I am interested in "street club supermarkets". What and where they are, and how you get a girl?2000 normal quality. I don't know your scale. But for me high quality means model type.

This girl for 2000 takes a coffee maybe.

2000 buy some student or medium quality older girl.

My scale is this: go to the club photos posted in older post by rain. This is probably radio hall. 99% I see in these photos don't reach 6 in my Ukraine scale.

But I am not very much on paying. I go long period and try to meet normal girl. Sure it's not free even this but with respect and time you can have some good success.

Go in Kiev just for some days and for pay only is total waste of time. Any capital of Europe is much better.

[LuisVega11]

Thank you very much for your advice.

2000 UAH (74 USD) is still not too bad, if she is really of good quality.

I am interested in "street club supermarkets". What and where they are, and how you get a girl?In daytime is easy to meet and know girl. Got laid takes efforts but is rewarding. But if you have 3-5 days forget.

Mamba is full of scammers. Tinder most of time answer girl who want only got a meal or free coffee or drink.

Personally I found the situation in Ukraine is got worse and worse and girl much greedy and angry.

Time to move to Russia maybe.

[Jonathan Pine]

Especially about the village mentality part.

The distribution of wealth may be extremely uneven, but deep down they are all the same people, rich and poor. And they understand each other. Remember, only 25 years ago they were all the same, equally poor before privatization.


All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit)..

[TeFab456]

This is an insightful post.This is also a whole load of stereotypes (in my experience).

[DramaFree11]

Great post, a little harsh, but true!

[Jekalat]

Hi,

I'm with you again. Jeka from Poland.

Today, a little earlier back of a strip club in Kiev Ukraine.

Friends took me, as promised in the new opened just a month ago the club. It called Scarlette. Located in the city center, very easy to reach. Interesting Club. It has two rooms, one for the Classical strip, the second strip at the disco is the most fun. Show Show Show! Girls fun, cool show, kitchen in the average. Today cocktails were 1 + 1 free. Danced. I took two private 400 UAH. ($ 15 each). (Girls work out perfectly) short fun at glory. Tomorrow I leave from Kiev, will be in Ukraine at the end of February. Friends promised to show two more club. I accomplish your goal.

Who are interested in the club's website: http://scarlette.kiev.ua/.

[RalphFbb]

Hello guys,

I am going to Kiev after 2 weeks.

Please if anyone can give me a contact of a Adviser who can help us in Kiev.

Thanks.

[Deer1234]

In daytime is easy to meet and know girl. Got laid takes efforts but is rewarding. But if you have 3-5 days forget.
Mamba is full of scammers. Tinder most of time answer girl who want only got a meal or free coffee or drink..Thanks again for your useful advice. I will be in Kiev for 10 days. I want to talk to girls daytime, but have never talked to a normal girl during daytime in mall or coffee shop, in any country. I will go to some night club such as radio hall, and talk to normal girls. Even 4000 uah is OK, depending upon what she is.

[Vitrea]

Hi,

I'm with you again. Jeka from Poland.

Today, a little earlier back of a strip club in Kiev Ukraine.

Friends took me, as promised in the new opened just a month ago the club. It called Scarlette. Located in the city center, very easy to reach. Interesting Club. It has two rooms, one for the Classical strip, the second strip at the disco is the most fun. Show Show Show! Girls fun, cool show, kitchen in the average. Today cocktails were 1 + 1 free. Danced. I took two private 400 UAH. ($ 15 each). (Girls work out perfectly) short fun at glory. Tomorrow I leave from Kiev, will be in Ukraine at the end of February. Friends promised to show two more club. I accomplish your goal.

Who are interested in the club's website: http://scarlette.kiev.ua/.Jeka, Are all the girls available for sex? Or, do the 9's and 10's just dance on the stage and leave while we are left with 6's, 7's and may be 8's?

Anyone?

[Jekalat]

Jeka, Are all the girls available for sex? Or, do the 9's and 10's just dance on the stage and leave while we are left with 6's, 7's and may be 8's?

Anyone?Vitrea, there I did not have problems with the choice. Almost everyone agrees.

[LuisVega11]

I want add to my previous post that.

- I don't give all the blames to the girl. There is a lot going on into their life compared to western civilized world. Into the wall of private homes everything happened in their life for many of them, they are used to a society based oh sexual favor to obtain anything. I understand even most of their behavior.

- but my vision is the actual state of situation in Kiev. " stereotypes". Yes they are made to justify them. They are stereotype with legs. Looks instagram all the beautiful girl, I mean high quality are all the same, all they look being made in some special fabric somewhere in soviet union.

- my experience with the good girl is that most of them who try to be normal and straight girl build top a very harsh character in the long run.

My experience span from the sky bar girl, to the educated business woman, oil the young village university student. In their diversity at the end all showed same impossible to understand behavior. That's why when they marry western man and go live in other country they got completely crazy, heavy depressed most of time, and marriage most of time if not backed by strong bank account fail in the first months.

[MS Clive]

.... The prices have been between 40 to 100 and for one 300 . Is somebody interested in the numbers?What currency? Euro? USD?

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, there are no more 9's or 10's. You will be lucky to find a 7 or 8. They are just not there anymore. The computer shows all this beautiful girl's, but is just not case.

[CastOnThis]

Sorry, there are no more 9's or 10's. You will be lucky to find a 7 or 8. They are just not there anymore. The computer shows all this beautiful girl's, but is just not case.It is very frustrating, but what you say is true. Most beautiful women are already with rich men or are going to Moscow / where there is money because there isn't in Ukraine. Most girls at strip clubs are less than a 7. If you find a 7, you feel like you hit a gold-mine until you discover she is only a 7. Back in 2010, the women were all very attractive and knew about being seductive; nowadays they are spoiled and believe they are hot-stuff (totally false). I want for Russia to invade Ukraine and bring back extreme poverty to all of Ukraine. That is the only way things will get better.

[Jekalat]

What currency? Euro? USD?USD.

Usually 300 3 h.

[MagicSheep74]

Sorry, there are no more 9's or 10's. You will be lucky to find a 7 or 8. They are just not there anymore. The computer shows all this beautiful girl's, but is just not case.I completely agree with your comments, I was one of these men who fell for the computer generated model type women of Ukraine.

I connected with a girl in Kiev with 250,000 followers on Instagram. As per her pictures, she was a a 5 ft 9 in Blonde Goddess. I could not believe my luck when we became friends and starting communicating via phone and email. Anyway after a couple of months of becoming good friends, I jumped on a plane and went to Kiev to see her and boy was I disappointed in real life! My mind told me a 10/10, reality showed me a 6 or 7/10.

I was there for 5 days, and it was very clear to me after day 2 there was completely no chemistry. When I told her that I would prefer to spend the rest of my vacation alone, she looked completely confused as she thought she was irresistible to all men.

I spent the last 3 days of my vacation as any normal monger would do, and went to Rio, Bhudda Bar and Sky Bar. Took an overpriced 7/10 from Rio, and quite enjoyed the city overall.

For mongering go to Spain / and have sex with a many Eastern European or Latin women as your heart desires in a fun, safe and relatively cheap environment.

If I had absolutely no choice in life and had to live in Ukraine for a long period of time, then I fully believe getting a few worthwhile contacts would be possible, but as I high end sex vacation with hot women. 100% NO.

Cheers.

[Deer1234]

I went to Caribean and Shooters last night (Thursday).

80% are men and too dark to see how old the girls are.

Are there any place where you can find girls (including pro) and negotiate USD / UAH over lunch or coffee?

[Deer1234]

Hi,

I am in Kiev and trying to meet professional girls.

I am thinking of using web cam chat.

I found such a service as "runetki", but I cannot find how to search by place "Kiev" I do not understand whether I can meet a girl after a chat, either.

Do you have any suggestions about how to find a girl with web cam chat and then meet her?

[LuisVega11]

It is very frustrating, but what you say is true. Most beautiful women are already with rich men or are going to Moscow / where there is money because there isn't in Ukraine. Most girls at strip clubs are less than a 7. If you find a 7, you feel like you hit a gold-mine until you discover she is only a 7. Back in 2010, the women were all very attractive and knew about being seductive; nowadays they are spoiled and believe they are hot-stuff (totally false). I want for Russia to invade Ukraine and bring back extreme poverty to all of Ukraine. That is the only way things will get better.I completely agree with you.

In 2010 there was really Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron in thousand copy walking around in elegant dress and high kabuki. Right now Kiev is invaded by monkey dressed like Jay Z and lips that look monkey's asshole. Zero class zero elegance. All coming from poor village poor family. They think to be super model but they are ugly as hell. But you know why? Because Ukrainian like this girl. They ask girl be like this. They had top model but prefer monkey girl.

[DramaFree11]

This is the best post ever. Sad but true. Add in all the Turkish guys and you wonder why people are complaining. For me it was so much the looks, but the bad attitudes and they are so lazy now.

[CastOnThis]

Not only are they with bad attitudes and lazy. Too many men fall for the promotional videos of strip clubs and discotheques in Kiev. Remember, Ukraine is a large village. You have to look and be like one of them to get accepted. If not, they won't let you in. That's another thing with what is wrong with Ukraine-very unprogressive.

[Riina]

Not only are they with bad attitudes and lazy. Too many men fall for the promotional videos of strip clubs and discotheques in Kiev. Remember, Ukraine is a large village. You have to look and be like one of them to get accepted. If not, they won't let you in. That's another thing with what is wrong with Ukraine-very unprogressive.You have to marry one, then you are in.

[Kabukicho]

I completely agree with your comments, I was one of these men who fell for the computer generated model type women of Ukraine.

I connected with a girl in Kiev with 250,000 followers on Instagram. As per her pictures, she was a a 5 ft 9 in Blonde Goddess. I could not believe my luck when we became friends and starting communicating via phone and email. Anyway after a couple of months of becoming good friends, I jumped on a plane and went to Kiev to see her and boy was I disappointed in real life! My mind told me a 10/10, reality showed me a 6 or 7/10.

I was there for 5 days, and it was very clear to me after day 2 there was completely no chemistry. When I told her that I would prefer to spend the rest of my vacation alone, she looked completely confused as she thought she was irresistible to all men.

I spent the last 3 days of my vacation as any normal monger would do, and went to Rio, Bhudda Bar and Sky Bar. Took an overpriced 7/10 from Rio, and quite enjoyed the city overall.

For mongering go to Spain / and have sex with a many Eastern European or Latin women as your heart desires in a fun, safe and relatively cheap environment.

If I had absolutely no choice in life and had to live in Ukraine for a long period of time, then I fully believe getting a few worthwhile contacts would be possible, but as I high end sex vacation with hot women. 100% NO.

Cheers.That's facinating report, thank you for sharing. I've contemplated on and off about visiting. Mayb well not be worth it for me to allocate any vaca time to this destination. What's interesting is also your praise for spain. As I havn't been to spain, you find the price of pfp cheap for european talent over there? Truthfully with europe having 'gotten smaller' the talent of women have been 'redistributed' . Outsourced to other geographical areas drawn by means of making more $ elsewhere, but is that necessarilly true if Spain you can acquire eurpoean women in a Spanish environemnt?

[Kabukicho]

I completely agree with you.

In 2010 there was really Nicole Kidman and Charlize Theron in thousand copy walking around in elegant dress and high kabuki. Right now Kiev is invaded by monkey dressed like Jay Z and lips that look monkey's asshole. Zero class zero elegance. All coming from poor village poor family. They think to be super model but they are ugly as hell. But you know why? Because Ukrainian like this girl. They ask girl be like this. They had top model but prefer monkey girl.Ukraine has women from africa in the pfp scene? The key word 'invaded' pardon me if I'm the only one misreading. Either you mean figuratively or literally.

[Kabukicho]

Hi,

I'm with you again. Jeka from Poland.

Today, a little earlier back of a strip club in Kiev Ukraine.

Friends took me, as promised in the new opened just a month ago the club. It called Scarlette. Located in the city center, very easy to reach. Interesting Club. It has two rooms, one for the Classical strip, the second strip at the disco is the most fun. Show Show Show! Girls fun, cool show, kitchen in the average. Today cocktails were 1 + 1 free. Danced. I took two private 400 UAH. ($ 15 each). (Girls work out perfectly) short fun at glory. Tomorrow I leave from Kiev, will be in Ukraine at the end of February. Friends promised to show two more club. I accomplish your goal.

Who are interested in the club's website: http://scarlette.kiev.ua/.Hello Jeka, just wondering why if you're from Poland, is the Poland scene more fun / cheaper, or Kiev. I guess I'm looking to hear that either poland is worse, or same. As Kiev but if it's better. Why are you visting Kiev?

[Kabukicho]

All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit).

- don't overpay. They, apart a bunch of top escort, don't have nothing zero. They survive, dos of them sucking cock to ugly and much poorer than you foreigner. I had a girlfriend she had 4 guys relation at the same time, sometimes she met 3 of them the same day. And they sponsored her with less than 240 dollar month. I read 100 dollar hour. Are you crazy? Not even Poroshenko earn 100 dollar hour). If they not step back fuck off them. There 2 million pussy in Kiev.

- don't believe anything,. Any bullshit they tell you. Don't feel anything about their lies. (mom is in hospital bla bla.) all a bunch of bullshit. Never pay online, even for VIP card in mamba. Once you showed your weakness you are fucked up.

- once you decide to make a long term history you are really fucked up. So don't do that. Just fuck them.

As far as Ukrainian guy. Yes they love their guy, the new generation is better, but still no comparison for a good foreigner educate. Ukraine is a big village, with village mentality that's why they love each other. Even if most of Ukrainian are like them, piece of shit, not help just fuck, make children and disappear leaving the girl with baby and zero money. But Ukrainian girl never complaint about their guy. The devil are foreigners.

When I read that Europe won't open Schengen to this village country.Thank you too for your post.

[MagicSheep74]

That's facinating report, thank you for sharing. I've contemplated on and off about visiting. Mayb well not be worth it for me to allocate any vaca time to this destination. What's interesting is also your praise for spain. As I havn't been to spain, you find the price of pfp cheap for european talent over there? Truthfully with europe having 'gotten smaller' the talent of women have been 'redistributed' . Outsourced to other geographical areas drawn by means of making more $ elsewhere, but is that necessarilly true if Spain you can acquire eurpoean women in a Spanish environemnt?Hey Kabukicho,

Thanks for your comments. I don't want to annoy other members by talking to much about other countries in a Ukrainian thread, so I will be quick.

If you fly to Malaga in Spain, you can find many clubs such as Nuevo Scandalo, Milady Palace, Estark 92 , Glass palace, Sala Divas all within 40 kms of each other. They look like nightclubs and open from 6 pm to 6 am and are full of Eastern European + Latin women walking around in Bikini's. You sit and have a drink, then can take any of these ladies to a hotel type room upstairs for sex from 30 minutes, 45 minutes, 1 hours, 10 hours. Prices start at 80 euro and up. The standard is high and will always find someone very attractive.

Kiev is hard work for sure, I have been to Ukraine twice and would never return. Its just not worth the effort in my opinion for a mongering destination. When you have Spain, Brazil, Thailand and Germany's FKK clubs why work so hard unless you are secretly looking for a wife. I myself have just managed to remove my wife of 10 years from my life, so I just want a fun, easy time scam free sex with attractive young women from many different countries in a safe and relaxing environment.

Best of luck.

[Deer1234]

Thank to many useful advises, I explored some well known night clubs.

Skybar: I was kicked out by the door man.

Only Caribbean club provides live (and nice) music and, as a result, absorbed the greatest number of young girls: from professional to normal citizens including tourists.

It was difficult to tell who is professional, who is a normal citizen, and who is marginal. So I hesitated to talk to any ladies, so as not to offend normal ones.

I will try to proceed a bit more tomorrow, Sunday night.

Substantial number of the nice-looking girls were encircled in tables reserved by foreigners (Turkish? Apparently these girls were non-professional (in terms of sex industry), at least at this time of moment.

D*Lux was occupied mostly by normal (and wealthier) citizens or tourists. Healthy, sound, and boring atmosphere.

Although Arena has the best hard ware, its business seemed least successful. Boring and sparse.

Shooters was the smallest but comfortable. There are abundant professionals, most of whom are big nice old mothers. Since I was trained to respect mother, I would never call them "cows".

Contrary to many reports, there were some young good-looking girls, who did not seem to be engaged in the above industry.

Apart from night clubs, I was impressed with the Ukrainian people in general. They are kind, helpful and seemed more civilized than the people of most industrialized countries.

Many young normal girls are extremely beautiful, although they start to swell quickly.

All in all, Kiev was not the best place for mongering, but I was not disappointed at all.

[BobSmith1]

All comrades always remember this:

Most of the girl in Kiev, who deal with foreigners are the worst piece of shit you can find right now in the world as feminine person. The good one are not interested in foreigners or if they are good, they probably will have a circle around who will suggest them to spoil you. And maybe obtain something even them.

- be strong and commander. Be over rude in bed. 90% of this girl have already overdone anal sex because Ukrainian don't listen to them. With foreigner they pretend to act like saint Mary virgin. This not this not, no anal. Be strong and command the ride, they won't resist. They are mostly super weak person. Look in Russia the new law for abusing in family. (I say this cause till I was good and faithful and respectful all girl I met apart sporadic cases, showed they were the biggest piece of shit).

- don't overpay. They, apart a bunch of top escort, don't have nothing zero. They survive, dos of them sucking cock to ugly and much poorer than you foreigner. I had a girlfriend she had 4 guys relation at the same time, sometimes she met 3 of them the same day. And they sponsored her with less than 240 dollar month. I read 100 dollar hour..Oh my oh may. Well well well. Really? Overdone anal? Wow! That was my first time in Ukraine 2 months ago. I was very generous. I'm planning to go another time this year. Maybe I should be rude this time. Fuck San Francisco then. As I said, you may not find a good looking one even if you spend 400. Everything is expensive in San Francisco now.

[BobSmith1]

I have been on Mamba for about 4 days now, and I am running into married women that want to charge for having sex with them while their husband watches or joins (my choice). Wow! I am not sure if this is my thing, but one of these girls is smoking hot. Has anyone else ran into this? Is this normal in Kiev, or is this most likely a pimp posing as a husband. Profile says she has kids and is married. I just found it surprising so I was just curious about other guys thoughts on this.One of those girls from Mamba replied me saying the same thing. Its a group of girls and guys want to have group sex. She gave me the rate $300 USD. Crazy! Not my cup of tea.

[AlphaDude]

Well I get into Kiev in 2 days. I have about 7-8 numbers with IG profiles that would be willing to meet with no money mentioned. Let's see how it goes. All girls from Mamba or Instagram.

The goal is to be able to "pull" naturally with just my looks and charm, but of course I have $$$ as a last resort.

The main problem I'm encountering so far is that half of the girls that reply do not speak English.

I'm a 6' tall, younger, very fit, Asian male. Let's see if that makes any difference on my success.

[Guntherus]

Thank to many useful advises, I explored some well known night clubs. ...

Many young normal girls are extremely beautiful, although they start to swell quickly.

All in all, Kiev was not the best place for mongering, but I was not disappointed at all.Thank you for the report, it is accurate to my experience. Because of cold winter, even if not so cold, there is not much going on in Kiev clubs, except maybe Friday-Saturday. I recently went three times to Caribbean, spotted maybe 5-15 working girls, probably 25-45 yo. Nice music and some, mostly girls, dancing, easy to approach. Early in the evening, I'm told they feature jazz musicians, fashion shows and more (18-22 o'clock). Avalon-disco, my favorite, was closed Sunday, but the doorman mislead me and said I only had to go to elevator 4th floor. This is restaurant panorama, with loud music but no dancing, at least not this night. Club-Khi had only tables, no dancing or show last Tuesday, but apparently this is the up and running club in Kiev now (weekends, I guess). Nice club to look at. When it is crowded, they remove the tables at 23 o'clock and start dancing. I better visit Germany, and Kiev only during summertime. RB.

[Guntherus]

Some weeks ago I asked if someone knew a good clinic in Kyiv for std test. Now I have found in my little black book the name of Isida clinic that I visited several years ago. Seemed to be a solid establishment, sent me the final results after I left the city, per email in English. As I remember, they were in shota rustaveli, but their homepage shows several outlets now all over Kiev (except Shota R.). There now also seem to be more English / German speaking services, like Eurolab and Medikom (no Obamacare), where I can take my girl (and me) for a test, without having to rely on her translation and explanations. I also found out that I can buy Symamed directly in Apteka to cure Clamidia. Will do this, just for security reason, when I leave. Where I come from, I always must ask the doctor. Which is embarrassing when you come three times a year! RB.

[LuisVega11]

Well I get into Kiev in 2 days. I have about 7-8 numbers with IG profiles that would be willing to meet with no money mentioned. Let's see how it goes. All girls from Mamba or Instagram.

The goal is to be able to "pull" naturally with just my looks and charm, but of course I have $$$ as a last resort.

The main problem I'm encountering so far is that half of the girls that reply do not speak English.

I'm a 6' tall, younger, very fit, Asian male. Let's see if that makes any difference on my success.Prepare a lot of cash. If they not reply in English and you not speak Russian. What do you think they are going out with you?

Asian for many girl there means money. You see lot of Chinese now coming to Kiev and you see them always with nice girl if they are ugly Chinese. They have money and in perception Asian are more generous than western.

Good luck anyway.

[LuisVega11]

Oh my oh may. Well well well. Really? Overdone anal? Wow! That was my first time in Ukraine 2 months ago. I was very generous. I'm planning to go another time this year. Maybe I should be rude this time. Fuck San Francisco then. As I said, you may not find a good looking one even if you spend 400. Everything is expensive in San Francisco now.Yes most have done it. But with you they will say no I never did. Be strong but not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) them. Just be strong in front of them,. If they snug a little pussy man in front of them good luck.

[HugeDickMan]

I like to be generous and give $100 if the girl is really hot. They do more stuff that way without me even asking. Then if the sex was great I give them $20-40 more after because seeing them happy makes me happy. And never negotiate down, it makes you look like a cheap pos and gets you worse attitude and service.

[AlphaDude]

Prepare a lot of cash. If they not reply in English and you not speak Russian. What do you think they are going out with you?

Asian for many girl there means money. You see lot of Chinese now coming to Kiev and you see them always with nice girl if they are ugly Chinese. They have money and in perception Asian are more generous than western.

Good luck anyway.Yeah, we'll see. I'll report back in a few days with my results.

I have no doubt there are tons of Asian stereotypes everywhere. But I don't exactly, look or act like most of them. We'll see.

[Stevie69]

Unless you plan to have your own armed body-guard also present, this seems like just begging for trouble.


I have been on Mamba for about 4 days now, and I am running into married women that want to charge for having sex with them while their husband watches or joins (my choice). Wow! I am not sure if this is my thing, but one of these girls is smoking hot. Has anyone else ran into this? Is this normal in Kiev, or is this most likely a pimp posing as a husband. Profile says she has kids and is married. I just found it surprising so I was just curious about other guys thoughts on this.

[RocketMan0010]

Yeah, we'll see. I'll report back in a few days with my results.

I have no doubt there are tons of Asian stereotypes everywhere. But I don't exactly, look or act like most of them. We'll see.Good luck, dude. I look forward to your report. I'm coming on the 26th with a very similar game plan to yours, but looks like our times won't overlap.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Unless you plan to have your own armed body-guard also present, this seems like just begging for trouble.Agreed, I'm passing on this option. There is risk and who really wants to pay double to see some other guys dick?

[BellBottomsDJ]

Has anyone ever booked a flight for a girls that lives in south Ukraine to come to Kiev. This girl responded on Mamba and her profile says she lived in Kiev, but turns out she is in Dnepro. She had pics that look legit and she gave me her Viber and that picture matches, but this is a curve ball I never considered. The strange thing is other girls I have talked to seem to refuse to take a train for some reason. I get requests to pay for taxis to travel from other cities too! I make 25 times as much money as these girls and I have no worries about the train Sound like a scam?

[GDreams]

Has anyone ever booked a flight for a girls that lives in south Ukraine to come to Kiev. This girl responded on Mamba and her profile says she lived in Kiev, but turns out she is in Dnepro. She had pics that look legit and she gave me her Viber and that picture matches, but this is a curve ball I never considered. The strange thing is other girls I have talked to seem to refuse to take a train for some reason. I get requests to pay for taxis to travel from other cities too! I make 25 times as much money as these girls and I have no worries about the train Sound like a scam?They will take a train or bus if they pay. If you pay it will be whatever is the most expensive option. Its only a scam when they want you to send money. The good thing about airlines is the ability to buy a ticket so they do not see the cash. I don't know what flights are available from Dnipro as I have only flown to Odessa and back. Suggest google the options.

[Misterxxx]

Has anyone ever booked a flight for a girls that lives in south Ukraine to come to Kiev. This girl responded on Mamba and her profile says she lived in Kiev, but turns out she is in Dnepro. She had pics that look legit and she gave me her Viber and that picture matches, but this is a curve ball I never considered. The strange thing is other girls I have talked to seem to refuse to take a train for some reason. I get requests to pay for taxis to travel from other cities too! I make 25 times as much money as these girls and I have no worries about the train Sound like a scam?I don't know if this is scam, but the train is very uncomfortable. Even the fast train needs 5+ hours to reach Kyiv from Dnipro. A flight ticket for the next weekend is 75 $. A 2nd class train ticket (fast train) is 20 $, a first class ticket 30 $. There are cheaper ticket, too. But those trains (with a bad standard) are more slowly (about 8 hours, 10 $ return).

If the girl looks and feels like a model you will understand why she don't want to use the train. I prefer the plane, too. But anyway she don't save much time. From Dnipro to Kyiv (center) she needs about 4 hours from "door to door". If you think it's scam, you can wait for her at the airport. Ask her to send a copy of her passport. Anyway nobody else can use the ticket, she can't sell it and there is no chance to get back any money (as long as you don't book the highest class). "Money back" is just possible if you buy a train ticket (with a few UAH penalty).

[Reiner Otto]

Has anyone ever booked a flight for a girls that lives in south Ukraine to come to Kiev. Never did it, and will never do. Train is good enough, even cheap overnight train, using "Lux", may be (1'st class, only 2 people in compartment). As a compensation, you can offer good hotel in Kiev for overnight stay.
Otherwise, you might better opt to take a flight/fast train for yourself, as a few good clubs in Dnipro, in case it does not work out with this special girl.

[Guntherus]

Has anyone ever booked a flight for a girls that lives in south Ukraine to come to Kiev. This girl responded on Mamba and her profile says she lived in Kiev, but turns out she is in Dnepro. She had pics that look legit and she gave me her Viber and that picture matches, but this is a curve ball I never considered. The strange thing is other girls I have talked to seem to refuse to take a train for some reason. I get requests to pay for taxis to travel from other cities too! I make 25 times as much money as these girls and I have no worries about the train Sound like a scam?In all likelihood, this is a scam. I cannot proof it, but I think 95% sure. I sent two girls 10 dollars, they were from different towns, very plausible and we had chatted for about two weeks (this was strictly against my rules, never send money, but I thought, what the heck, this is like buying a drink for a girl, and she might be good innocent gal). But after sending money, they stopped responding. A third one, studentka in Nikolaev also wanted to come, but as soon as I said that I planned to visit her, she lost all interest and said I would be on my own there. She was also on Viber. Many years ago, I've had girls come from Poltava and Simferopol (now Crimea), and they always paid their trip themselves, and got some support only when they arrived.

[MagicSheep74]

Ukraine = Scam.

1. Avoid the whole country, unless you have to be there with business or work.

2. don't not spend your valuable vacation time or hard earned money for an overpriced 7/10 Girl, that could be obtained in 50 better countries than Ukraine.

3. Realize and accept that this country is not full of 9 or 10/10 women. This is an illusion created by heavily photoshopped internet dating sites and Instagram pictures. The few 9/10 or 10/10 girls that did exist are gone, married locally into money or being sexually abused by wealthy Arabs in Dubai.

4. Browse through the last 100 pages on this thread and realize 95% of posts and comments are negative.

5. Then from a logical standpoint, make the correct decision and go somewhere to enjoy random sex for cash experiences.

Cheers.

[DramaFree11]

100% true! I could not say it any better myself. Kiev use to be my favorite city in the world, now you could not pay me go back.

After my girlfriend and myself broke up, I told my friends I would never go back. I have stuck to my promise. Kiev is a total scam now. I can have better looking women in the States and that is pretty bad.

[Horny American]

95% of posts here are negative. That's because 95% of the guys here are negative no matter what. Most act like there aren't even any hot women in the Ukraine at all, let alone Kiev and that is just flat out stupid. Most guys here could get a freebie from a girl that's a nine and they'd still complain.

All you guys acting like Kiev sucks and to go elsewhere instead. Acting like other places have girls that are 10's just hanging out on every corner for low rates. That's not only wrong but stupid. It's not even the proverbial glass is half full vs glass is half empty (optimist / pessimist) this is just guys dumping on the scene no matter what. There are thousands of girls in Kiev than are in the 7-8 range that you can easily get for short money ($60 or so) if you actually put in a little effort.

Is Kiev the sex capital of the world? Would I go there just to get laid? NO, but if you're in Kiev for business or family reasons you can easily find good talent at good rates if you stop crying and just try.

I'll add some pics of mamba girls that were easily found for dates that lasted multiple hours with MSOG for $60. Stop being little boys and accept the situation how it is and deal with it.


Ukraine = Scam.
1. Avoid the whole country, unless you have to be there with business or work.
2. don't not spend your valuable vacation time or hard earned money for an overpriced 7/10 Girl, that could be obtained in 50 better countries than Ukraine.
3. Realize and accept that this country is not full of 9 or 10/10 women. This is an illusion created by heavily photoshopped internet dating sites and Instagram pictures. The few 9/10 or 10/10 girls that did exist are gone, married locally into money or being sexually abused by wealthy Arabs in Dubai.
4. Browse through the last 100 pages on this thread and realize 95% of posts and comments are negative.
5. Then from a logical standpoint, make the correct decision and go somewhere to enjoy random sex for cash experiences.
Cheers.

[Member #4722]

Great post HA! I agree with you! Can't wait for my visit in the summer. About to start looking over Mamba in the next month or so. The anticipation is half the fun!

[MagicSheep74]

95% of posts here are negative. That's because 95% of the guys here are negative no matter what. Most act like there aren't even any hot women in the Ukraine at all, let alone Kiev and that is just flat out stupid. Most guys here could get a freebie from a girl that's a nine and they'd still complain.

All you guys acting like Kiev sucks and to go elsewhere instead. Acting like other places have girls that are 10's just hanging out on every corner for low rates. That's not only wrong but stupid. It's not even the proverbial glass is half full vs glass is half empty (optimist / pessimist) this is just guys dumping on the scene no matter what. There are thousands of girls in Kiev than are in the 7-8 range that you can easily get for short money ($60 or so) if you actually put in a little effort.

Is Kiev the sex capital of the world? Would I go there just to get laid? NO, but if you're in Kiev for business or family reasons you can easily find good talent at good rates if you stop crying and just try
I'll add some pics of mamba girls that were easily found for dates that lasted multiple hours with MSOG for $60. Stop being little boys and accept the situation how it is and deal with it.Fair points mentioned, and I actually agree with your comments.

Are there 9 or 10's? Yes. Are people on the forum having sex with them. No.

There are 1000's of 7- Yes I agree there are, but all countries have 7's and they are free in you have a decent appearance.

If you in town for business or family reasons you can find good talent. I am sure you can, good luck to those that are.

As I am a personally a very positive person I decided to ignore all the negative posts, and travel to Kiev myself. What did I discover after 10 days in Kiev?

The negative posts were correct and justified. I just want to say though, I did really enjoy the city, my hotel, food and tourists spots.

I personally won't be going back myself, but if people feel the urge, then keep your expectations very very low.

Cheers Paul.

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, I have to disagree. There are not 1000's of attractive girls running around in Kiev now. There are many 5 and 6's, with a few attractive girls mixed in, but they are very few now.

I am now going back fourth between the states and Mexico and I am extremely happy. There are beautiful girls everywhere and no Turkish guys.

You can have much better girls in almost every country, beside Kiev. Sorry, this is the truth.

[LuisVega11]

7 are not easy in most of countries. Sure if you look for silicone ***** who goes in Dubai fake boobs and fake lips, for standard 10 is this kind of girl, yes Kiev is a disappointment.

Of you can't find enough 89 in Kiev walking grind days is because you only look for appearance, that of bitches who go in marbella or dubai.

I word with model agency, a and Kiev is top spot for model industry. There are literally thousand of potential top model, most are normal girl from appearance.

Kiev for paying is not rewarding. I agree. Kiev is good for day hunting having month to spend there. If you think a 40 years good looking man can fuck a 7 of 20 in Malaga you are simply dreaming.

But it's good many punters live Kiev. The losers who only pay better go in dubai.

[LuisVega11]

Fair points mentioned, and I actually agree with your comments.

Are there 9 or 10's? Yes. Are people on the forum having sex with them. No.

There are 1000's of 7- Yes I agree there are, but all countries have 7's and they are free in you have a decent appearance.

If you in town for business or family reasons you can find good talent. I am sure you can, good luck to those that are.

As I am a personally a very positive person I decided to ignore all the negative posts, and travel to Kiev myself. What did I discover after 10 days in Kiev?

The negative posts were correct and justified. I just want to say though, I did really enjoy the city, my hotel, food and tourists spots.

I personally won't be going back myself, but if people feel the urge, then keep your expectations very very low.

Cheers Paul.Well 9 pr 10 you can fuck and spend 300 400 dollar. In Dubai? 4000. In London 2000. So there is still a saving.

[BellBottomsDJ]

You said what I have been thinking about for months reading this stuff. I will add to it; The population of Kiev is 2.8 million people. Since the majority are women, lets call it 1.5 million women. If you divide that over an average lifespan of 70 years and divide that by 365 days a year. There are 60 girls of every age having a birthday every single day in Kiev. That's factual math. 60 girls are turning 18,60 are turning 19, and 20 & 21 every single day! Between the ages of 18-38, that is 1200 women a day having a birthday to choose from that are still in their sexual prime. Glass half full. And they are not all in line at the airport every day leaving the country. I also hear "Oh man, its not like it was 20 years ago". Well no, its not, but 20 years ago you were 28 years old and now you are knocking on 50. You don't think that isn't factoring into your success? I am 42 and my last trip at 36 years old was good and this one may even be better because I didn't do my homework last time and loved it. I had sex with girls every day (3 in a day was my record). Half were free. This time I did do my homework. Of course the times have changed, but your trip to Kiev is whatever you make it. I have been working leads day & night and I have met some girls that are 8's-9's and one or two 10's that are on the Meet & Greet list when I go in May. More girls than I can meet in 15 days. Some will show up & some won't. But I will tell you this; where I live in the USA, these fat trailer park girls think they can charge 120-150 USD and show up looking as nasty as Honey Boo Boos mother and bail after 20 minutes because its either "one hour or when you cum" and that was never my experience in Kiev. I remember a few girls that were trying to get me to fuck them again after 30 minutes and even stuck around longer because they might have actually enjoyed it. Try to find that in the west! Of course it's about money, but the culture and the mentality of these girls and their passion for giving up sex to a dominant man is what I like. Instead of complaining, try being in control of your own journey and I bet the girls will take care of themselves. That's my 2 cents.

May 12! The reports will be fun.


95% of posts here are negative. That's because 95% of the guys here are negative no matter what. Most act like there aren't even any hot women in the Ukraine at all, let alone Kiev and that is just flat out stupid. Most guys here could get a freebie from a girl that's a nine and they'd still complain.

All you guys acting like Kiev sucks and to go elsewhere instead. Acting like other places have girls that are 10's just hanging out on every corner for low rates. That's not only wrong but stupid. It's not even the proverbial glass is half full vs glass is half empty (optimist / pessimist) this is just guys dumping on the scene no matter what..

[BellBottomsDJ]

Now that I have pissed everyone off; what area have you guys found to be the best central location in Kiev to get an apartment? I am going cheap ($30-50 usd a day). The last time I went, I didn't understand the geography and I was southwest of the city center. I was in an area called Vokzal'na Square. Intersection of Saksahan's koho & Kominternu. It was a good 20+ minute walk to get to the city center. Tell me some areas you stayed in and what was close to it that you liked. There was actually a strip club right down the street from me on Saksahan's koho & Volodymyrs'ka that I liked. I don't recall the name, but I had a good time and pulled a girl from their that called me the next day to fuck. Anyone know the name of that place too?

[Volpone]

I'll add some pics of mamba girls that were easily found for dates that lasted multiple hours with MSOG for $60. Stop being little boys and accept the situation how it is and deal with it.You are right, that was like that one or two years ago. Things have changed especially on Mamba. Just read my reports from the end of 2016.

You are talking about a Mamba that doesn't exist anymore.

Furthermore for you, like for other experienced members, it's easy to get a lay when you are in Kiev. Why? Because you just call your old contacts and you can have sex every day for a good price.

However how is it for a newbie without any old contacts? Have you thought about that?

[Dodochen]

I was there https://vipmassage.kiev.ua/en.

And it was very hard to find like nearly everything in Kiev. You take the white door on the left sight with a code and go to the apartment 86. If you call the number someone can explain the way. The management can realy good english and everyone are nice. The appartment was clean and really big. First you have to choose a offer. I take the 2 VIP Massage Offer with two Girls and 150 min time. At this time (nearly 11 pm on Saturday) there are 7 girls available. This girls look is for me between 5 and 7.

Then it starts. First I talk a little with the two girls and of course the girls want more for kiss (3000 UAH without kissing and 4200 UAH with kissing). I book with kissing and after paying the girls told me it means only on body. After this I go to the shower and have to wait and to wait nearly 20 min till something happens. One of the girls come back to me with champagne and sweets and very sexy clothes. After some minutes to wait the other one come to and a lesbian / striptease and body on body massage starts. After some minutes it goes to the bed and body to body erotic massage continue with handjob action. After I come the first time the girls starts with a long and very good classic massage. Then again a erotic massage with handjob and a finish. Then some relaxing in jacuzzi and a final erotic massage with my third time coming.

It was nearly 3 hours and the girls are really nice and the service was good. But it was expensive.

[MagicSheep74]

Well 9 pr 10 you can fuck and spend 300 400 dollar. In Dubai? 4000. In London 2000. So there is still a saving.Luis,

Can you please tell me where I can fuck 9 or 10/10 in Kiev for $300 ? I paid $300 for a 9/10 Iranian in Dubai overnight. It was $3700 cheaper than you thought. If I can get a reliable source for fucking model material women for $300 in Kiev, I will jump on a plane and come back. I am only looking to pay money to fuck very attractive women, not average looking single mums from mamba, My reason for mongering is have memories for a lifetime by having sex with women that were to beautiful to forget. The type of women that are very difficult to obtain in normal day to day life. I did not find this in Kiev, nothing above a 6 or 7.

In conclusion, and my last ever post in the Kiev thread. The general consensus.

If you are unfortunate enough to live in Kiev. It is possible to get a good looking girl or build up some regular worthwhile contact.

If you are planning to visit for a holiday. Prepare to be disappointed, and set your standards low, then you might be pleasantly surprised.

Happy hunting,

MagicSheep.

[Riina]

95% of posts here are negative. That's because 95% of the guys here are negative no matter what. Most act like there aren't even any hot women in the Ukraine at all, let alone Kiev and that is just flat out stupid. Most guys here could get a freebie from a girl that's a nine and they'd still complain.

All you guys acting like Kiev sucks and to go elsewhere instead. Acting like other places have girls that are 10's just hanging out on every corner for low rates. That's not only wrong but stupid. It's not even the proverbial glass is half full vs glass is half empty (optimist / pessimist) this is just guys dumping on the scene no matter what. There are thousands of girls in Kiev than are in the 7-8 range that you can easily get for short money ($60 or so) if you actually put in a little effort.

Is Kiev the sex capital of the world? Would I go there just to get laid? NO, but if you're in Kiev for business or family reasons you can easily find good talent at good rates if you stop crying and just try.

I'll add some pics of mamba girls that were easily found for dates that lasted multiple hours with MSOG for $60. Stop being little boys and accept the situation how it is and deal with it.The reality is that the girls have dispersed throughout the world in the last few years.

[Horny American]

First of all Kiev isn't a country, so it's kind of hard to compare just Kiev to whole other countries.

But you got dumped by a local girl and claim you'll never come back, so why stalk the board then? We get it, you hate Ukrainian women now, just move on.

BTW, you can take an average looking lady from Kiev and she'll be a 10 in Mexico, so your standards are WAY off.


Sorry, I have to disagree. There are not 1000's of attractive girls running around in Kiev now. There are many 5 and 6's, with a few attractive girls mixed in, but they are very few now.
I am now going back fourth between the states and Mexico and I am extremely happy. There are beautiful girls everywhere and no Turkish guys.
You can have much better girls in almost every country, beside Kiev. Sorry, this is the truth.
100% true! I could not say it any better myself. Kiev use to be my favorite city in the world, now you could not pay me go back.
After my girlfriend and myself broke up, I told my friends I would never go back. I have stuck to my promise. Kiev is a total scam now. I can have better looking women in the States and that is pretty bad.

[JonasWRay]

LOL. Totally agree.

I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.

I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.

And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.

As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.

So I have absolutely no idea where all the negativity is coming from with all the posts as of late. Ukraine is a thousand times better than here in the US. Where you have to pay 2 to 3 times as much to get a 6 or a 7 and ridiculous amounts to even think about anything higher than a 7.


First of all Kiev isn't a country, so it's kind of hard to compare just Kiev to whole other countries.

But you got dumped by a local girl and claim you'll never come back, so why stalk the board then? We get it, you hate Ukrainian women now, just move on.

BTW, you can take an average looking lady from Kiev and she'll be a 10 in Mexico, so your standards are WAY off.

[EnricoMacias]

I checked the link and the girls seems familiar for me. Then I remembered some girls.

It is the best massage parlor of Kiev, it seems they launched new website.

Moulin = vipmassage.


I was there https://vipmassage.kiev.ua/en.

Hi Magicsheep,

Greeting from Doha. I have been working in Doha since 2012 but I have never been to Dubai. If such promotions are available, it is a must for me to visit Dubai at least 1 time each month)).


Luis,

Can you please tell me where I can fuck 9 or 10/10 in Kiev for $300 ? I paid $300 for a 9/10 Iranian in Dubai overnight.

MagicSheep.

[LuisVega11]

Luis,

Can you please tell me where I can fuck 9 or 10/10 in Kiev for $300 ? I paid $300 for a 9/10 Iranian in Dubai overnight. It was $3700 cheaper than you thought. If I can get a reliable source for fucking model material women for $300 in Kiev, I will jump on a plane and come back. I am only looking to pay money to fuck very attractive women, not average looking single mums from mamba, My reason for mongering is have memories for a lifetime by having sex with women that were to beautiful to forget. The type of women that are very difficult to obtain in normal day to day life. I did not find this in Kiev, nothing above a 6 or 7.

In conclusion, and my last ever post in the Kiev thread. The general consensus.

If you are unfortunate enough to live in Kiev. It is possible to get a good looking girl or build up some regular worthwhile contact.

If you are planning to visit for a holiday. Prepare to be disappointed, and set your standards low, then you might be pleasantly surprised.

Happy hunting,

MagicSheep.Well I'm 4 years going in Kiev spending more than 50 days per year. So I think I'm mildly disappointed.

Some points.

- everybody has its scale. Personally I don't understand what is 9-10 for you or me'. You talk about dubai spin. Most of those girl for me don't reach 7-8. Maybe for you are 9 -0. I imagine silicone boobs, fit body, silicon lips, cheap face. Yes those girls you can find for example in Sky bar or Gulliver? Or in dubai. Well for me they not reach 7 but maybe for you 9-10. I have friend in Kiev, girl, who I'm sure you won't notice in the street, but if they undress and put bikini your jaw will drop to the soil.

- 300 dollar buy a lot in Kiev. But you need to be smart and self confidence. 300 dollar are a lot of money now in Kiev. So if you can't find a beauty for that sum. I think you have some problems. I don't look for pay girl already told.

Kiev paying is full of scum. Kiev is for thise who have time and know a bit off Russian. The rest will rely on mamba and clearly got fucked up.

- Ukraine is not Malaga. Or Spain. Apart the fact that you are telling that in Spain you can fuck 9 or 10 easily, I doubt, been to Ibiza many times and is all apart easy, and the 9 and 10, of my scale, will just drink all your 300 dollar in some hours, figure they got fucked.

- unfortunate? I live in Kiev and is much much better than many city. I walk all night never had a problem, people are friendly and girl amazing. Sure if you cannot find a normal girl, I agree Kiev sucks for pay only.

This girl, I don't know if it's a 6-8-7. I know I sponsor her always 700 gryvna meet, sometimes a little gift nothing fancy. And she was 18. Super tight pussy. Body that in any western country will make cover of playboy. But to find such gem you need to work hard, and know Ukraine. Unluckily after some months Kiev spoilt this girl, and thanks to foreigners like you probably, sh now ask for 150 200 dollar minimum.

The fact you won't go in Kiev anymore is only a plus really. The less people like you come Kiev the better. Normal girl are spoilt by tourist the less the better.

[MagicSheep74]

Jonaswray LOL. Totally agree.

I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.

I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.

And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.

As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.

[MagicSheep74]

Ukraine is not Malaga. Or Spain. Apart the fact that you are telling that in Spain you can fuck 9 or 10 easily, I doubt, been to Ibiza many times and is all apart easy, and the 9 and 10, of my scale, will just drink all your 300 dollar in some hours, figure they got fucked.

The fact you won't go in Kiev anymore is only a plus really. The less people like you come Kiev the better. Normal girl are spoilt by tourist the less the better.

Thanks Luis.

So you are basically saying that living there and speaking some Russian could yield some success. I completely agree this would be true.

I said, and I quote about living in Spain - 'The standard is high and will always find someone very attractive' Not that I easily fuck 9 or 10's. I was referring to the 100's of clubs of all the countries full of Eastern European pussy of a high standard that can be taken for $80/30 minutes or $300 overnight.

Finally, my apologies us spoiling Kiev, I never realized I done so much damage to the girls looks and mentality in my 10 days there, LOL.

Like you say yourself, the girls now look like a 'A Monkey's Arsehole.'

So I will leave you to it.

All the best.

[Riina]

Why is it that the members posting about all the pussies they are meeting do not even have twenty reports to their handle? Must be the curse of Kiev. Once you toot your horn about all the great action you're having, you ghost the thread forever.

[MagicSheep74]

Fair point Riina, I get the message. If your new to posting and new to the dreaded Kiev thread, kindly mind you own business, haha.

Best reliable agency in Kiev. Gia.

Katyia / $200.

Looks 7/10.

Service 7/10.

Repeat / No.

Shooters.

Busy place on a Saturday night.

Picked up Ana and agreed $200 all night.

Looks 7/10.

Service 9/10.

Repeat. No.

Mamba. Complete Joke. Months of work for 3 no shows and one 6/10 who smelled like a dead rat.

Sky Bar. Turkish men foaming at the mouth over heavily made up girls who believed they were superstars, but sadly they were not.

Rio. Great fun, decent priced drinks, excellent private dances with touching included.

Took out Olga for $300, tall blond with nice body and average face.

Went for sushi and back to the 11 Mirrors Hotel next door for night of sex.

Looks 7/10.

Service 8/10.

Repeat. For $300 / NO.

Vodka Bar. Empty.

Hooked up with a pretty girl from VK. Went out for a nice dinner, and she spoke excellent English. She made it very clear from the outset she was looking for a serious relationship and we should get to know each other slowly. I appreciated her honestly and we have stayed in contact on a regular basis.

That's my quick report, nothing new I guess. My introduction to the Kiev thread was to try and understand the fascination with Kiev, and the women that reside there. I was initially trying to find out where I can find a standard higher than an average looking girl. I have come to the conclusion that unless I am willing to learn some Russian and live there for a considerable amount of time, then its not really likely.

Unless I return, I will keep my opinions of other countries and Kiev to myself.

Note. Non offence intended to anyone here, these were just my observations. Kiev is crap for mongering.

[EnricoMacias]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.

[Guntherus]

Vodka Bar. Empty.
I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!

[MagicSheep74]

I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!Sorry by empty, I mean closed.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.I don't quite understand how this will cause some kind of wave of Turkish men to blow pussy price out of the roof? Unless a passport costs a Turkish citizen $10,000 or you have to be royalty to get one, what difference will it really make? Obviously Turkish men are already flooding Kiev, so this comment about Muslim men having trouble getting into the country now (pre 2 days ago) sounds like BS to me. Now they don't have to go get a passport and have it stamped to get in the country and they save 15 minutes at the airport. Maybe it works different over there, but I paid my $80, gave them my picture and I was mailed a passport. Sorry, I don't get it. Sounds like you are trying to detour everyone else from going so you can help your odds dude, haha.

[Misterxxx]

I have a question: what year is this report based on? Vodka Bar is permanently closed since Maidan fights!No. It was open at the time of Maidan and even after the Maidan. But absolutely empty and with new doormen who had a very strange behavior (skybar restrictions). Now = Closed. Probably forever.

[KievUA]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[KievUA]

Dear mongers,

As being a Turkish, I have a bad new for you. After Northern Cyprus and Georgia, Turkish citizens can travel to Ukraine with only national identity (no need passport).

This was declared 2 days ago, I forgot to mention here. This will make thousands of Turkish men (just equal to male animals seeking females for sex) visit Kiev daily.

Now, it does not matter whatever you wrote here. 100% of the members of this ISG forum stop going Ukraine or all other countries stop going Ukraine, only these Turkish nationals are enough to make these poor working girls to price their pussy 200 usd for 1 hour.

Just to make it clear.

Due to the existing government of Turkey, it is not good to visit Ukraine / Thailand / . If you are doing business and you are Muslim. Stamp of Ukraine is not easy to explain for Muslim men.

Now, it is possible to visit Ukraine with only national identities, believe me, hundred thousand Turkish will flow to Ukraine daily.I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[EnricoMacias]

I think you were born in a modern country and you live in a modern country also.

You do not know the conditions of the a country where restrictions exists. I was born in turkey and for 5 years working in gulf countries.

You don't know the value of fundamental rights and freedoms because no one can try to restrict from you in your modern countries. However, in our countries, your fundamental rights and freedoms are not granted us yet.

Bellbottomdj.

I do not know how old you are and your nationality but as far as I understood from your response that you have the lack of empathy. In history class, our teacher tells us not to criticize the history according to today's conditions. Depending on time and locations, some values might change.

I will try to explain you one more time.

The reason why thousands of Turkish people did not visit Ukraine yet was not financial. They have already enough money. They have already passport because they trade with China, Iran, Morocco, Algeria. So the concern is not the money of passport. The concern is the Religions and ethical concerns. In Muslim, Turkish culture, it is not accepted sex without wedding which is called Zina. So the supporters of the current government, try to avoid visit Ukraine because Ukraine=sex in turkey. It is not easy to explain.

Do not misunderstand me. I do not say supporters of current government live according to Islam. On the contrary, they do everything but behind the doors. Without any evidence. They drink alcohol, sell drugs, trade via immigrants. They sex with Ukrainians, Russian, Moroccans but in secured villas / hotels without any evidence.

And mongers, I visited Kiev 6 times since 2012. I know the conditions. Turks invaded Kiev and other cities already. OK. But these animals, were not the government side. These turkish who already visited was from the side who don't trade with government&supporters. Now, the majority will also join to come to Kiev.

This new visiting system is not effective still, I will write here. Then try to observe whether I am wrong.


I don't quite understand how this will cause some kind of wave of Turkish men to blow pussy price out of the roof? Unless a passport costs a Turkish citizen $10,000 or you have to be royalty to get one, what difference will it really make? Obviously Turkish men are already flooding Kiev, so this comment about Muslim men having trouble getting into the country now (pre 2 days ago) sounds like BS to me. Now they don't have to go get a passport and have it stamped to get in the country and they save 15 minutes at the airport. Maybe it works different over there, but I paid my $80, gave them my picture and I was mailed a passport. Sorry, I don't get it. Sounds like you are trying to detour everyone else from going so you can help your odds dude, haha.
I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.

[BellBottomsDJ]

I think you were born in a modern country and you live in a modern country also.

You do not know the conditions of the a country where restrictions exists. I was born in turkey and for 5 years working in gulf countries.

You don't know the value of fundamental rights and freedoms because no one can try to restrict from you in your modern countries. However, in our countries, your fundamental rights and freedoms are not granted us yet.

Bellbottomdj..I guess we will see. I will be there soon.

[Sponsor74]

Well I'm 4 years going in Kiev spending more than 50 days per year. So I think I'm mildly disappointed.

Some points.

- everybody has its scale. Personally I don't understand what is 9-10 for you or me'. You talk about dubai spin. Most of those girl for me don't reach 7-8. Maybe for you are 9 -0. I imagine silicone boobs, fit body, silicon lips, cheap face. Yes those girls you can find for example in Sky bar or Gulliver? Or in dubai. Well for me they not reach 7 but maybe for you 9-10. I have friend in Kiev, girl, who I'm sure you won't notice in the street, but if they undress and put bikini your jaw will drop to the soil.

- 300 dollar buy a lot in Kiev. But you need to be smart and self confidence. 300 dollar are a lot of money now in Kiev. So if you can't find a beauty for that sum. I think you have some problems. I don't look for pay girl already told.

Kiev paying is full of scum. Kiev is for thise who have time and know a bit off Russian. The rest will rely on mamba and clearly got fucked up.

- Ukraine is not Malaga. Or Spain. Apart the fact that you are telling that in Spain you can fuck 9 or 10 easily, I doubt, been to Ibiza many times and is all apart easy, and the 9 and 10, of my scale, will just drink all your 300 dollar in some hours, figure they got fucked.

- unfortunate? I live in Kiev and is much much better than many city. I walk all night never had a problem, people are friendly and girl amazing. Sure if you cannot find a normal girl, I agree Kiev sucks for pay only.

This girl, I don't know if it's a 6-8-7. I know I sponsor her always 700 gryvna meet, sometimes a little gift nothing fancy. And she was 18. Super tight pussy. Body that in any western country will make cover of playboy. But to find such gem you need to work hard, and know Ukraine. Unluckily after some months Kiev spoilt this girl, and thanks to foreigners like you probably, sh now ask for 150 200 dollar minimum.

The fact you won't go in Kiev anymore is only a plus really. The less people like you come Kiev the better. Normal girl are spoilt by tourist the less the better.Thank you Luis Vega for your good report. I plan to travel to Kiev but have some concerns about the cold weather there now and afraid not to see the sexy girls walking in the main street or Maydan. I have some Mamba contacts but the risk is no show and waste of time, therefore if you know some girls to recomend me would be great. This girl in the photo seems ok for me, usd? More details? Thanks.

[LuisVega11]

Thank you Luis Vega for your good report. I plan to travel to Kiev but have some concerns about the cold weather there now and afraid not to see the sexy girls walking in the main street or Maydan. I have some Mamba contacts but the risk is no show and waste of time, therefore if you know some girls to recomend me would be great. This girl in the photo seems ok for me, usd? More details? Thanks.Hi,

Sorry but this contact is already old for me and I haven't left really in good terms)). She begin acting like a supermodel asking a lot and she disappear. I took her in village. She come in Kiev to live and I met her first months. It's one of the best way to know genuine girl. Most of them, if they are hot and have not this great way of living a normal life, become spoilt soon. I canceled her number.

About winter yes is not very good, but around can know good girls. Personally I like the more genuine teenager than the super-pussy with Botox Louis Vuitton seven iPhone that goes in Dubai. Most of them are expensive, boring, not beautiful at all when you see them in morning. But to build up a circle needs time and skills, and most of all have something to propose so they not see you has pussy hunter.

Good luck.

[MartinReunion]

Does anyone know a decent / good hotel that easily has rooms per hour? Or any similar apartments? Prefer center.

[Tomek123]

Kiev. Good workhorse 29 years. My,soldier, sometimes dropped -I be little a bit sick but in the dog position very nice. Ass and good. Active in bed. Not a beauty but for the price (500-600 UAH. OK). Feeling that the erection will soon disappear, I put it in the dog's posture and several hard attacks to defeat the enemy for 3-4 minutes during fucking good moan. And then he gave me a gentle massage.

Beautiful expressive eyes. Accept clients in their apartment. 100% clients local boys, so the apartment a little modest and far from luxury but clean and no debris.

In English I think understands but does not speak very good. But the way I do not know. I'm good speak in Russian. Good legs. Yes. Attitude towards for the customer friendly. Sucks like a vacuum cleaner.

I prefer a nymphs but the price is not high. I can recommend. But it's no leaves on call.

[Tomek123]

Prepare a lot of cash. If they not reply in English and you not speak Russian. What do you think they are going out with you?

Asian for many girl there means money. You see lot of Chinese now coming to Kiev and you see them always with nice girl if they are ugly Chinese. They have money and in perception Asian are more generous than western.

Good luck anyway.But do not forget that Ukrainian girls are not so much worried about the appearance of men it's not quite like western girls. A man who has a little money is a little sexy for them.

[Tomek123]

Kiev. Good workhorse 29 years.

[Jekalat]

Hello everybody,

I'm back in Ukraine. Friends took me to a strip cabaret Mandarin. Large and long show program, you can watch it, but I do not really. After the show, the girls came out to dance. I found two nines. With a nine went in private. Turley and dancing cool name is Bella. I had a good time. The restaurant is cool dish Duck Beijing. All at a cost $ 500. Includes entrance, more food and drinks, 2 private session and four hours from nine. I think it's not expensive. Impressions heap Bell&; Super.

Who is interested in their web site.

http://www.mandarin.ua/

[BobSmith1]

I live in Kiev. There was always a lot of Turkish because they do not need a visa and a cheap flight. From this innovation, their number will not increase, as they previously did not let to come here.Oh. Now the Turks can get over that passport stamp thing. It's already filled with them now it makes it even easier for them. Damn no wonder the girls are charging San Francisco price. I think SF will be lower the price due the housing price is so high and rent is so high. Normal people already spent all their money on house and rent. I go to 2nd and 3rd cities 1 hour away from SF.

So what now, forget about Kiev and Odessa, Livi etc those well known cities? I think I need to go somewhere less known now.

[Deer1234]

I stayed in Kiev for 2 weeks.

I met some "ladies" in Mamba, whose photos looked really nice.

Most of them were kind, good humored and 30+ aged mothers, with some having a scar in the tummy from caesarian section.

Some of their photos were genuinely theirs, not fake, but apparently taken a decade ago.

I did nothing other than paying them 100 $ politely (for the sake of their children). What could you do, if your civilization trained you to respect mothers?

After donating 100 $ for charity, I went to Caribbean club, which is my favorite place, because it is filled with Turkish people: there is no neo-Nazi there, and I am an asian.

Turkish are friendly to an asian man, as well.

In Caribbean club, I found a very nice-looking tall slim young girl, who seemed to enjoy dancing only.

I was not sure whether she is a pro- or not, and hesitated to talk to her. Meanwhile, she disappeared from my sight. Next time I saw her, she was in a sofa with her client and went out from the club with him. Learning a lesson from this bitter experience, I talked to a party of very beautiful looking girls as soon as I sighted them. Eventually, they were non-pro local girls who were either enjoying dancing or seeking genuinely rich people. This were embarrassing.

It seems that I should employ a guide (or an employee of the club) who helps me in distinguishing between pro and non-pro in the club, as well as taking her out to my apartment.

Are there such guide service, and how much does it cost?

[LuisVega11]

Hello everybody,

I'm back in Ukraine. Friends took me to a strip cabaret Mandarin. Large and long show program, you can watch it, but I do not really. After the show, the girls came out to dance. I found two nines. With a nine went in private. Turley and dancing cool name is Bella. I had a good time. The restaurant is cool dish Duck Beijing. All at a cost $ 500. Includes entrance, more food and drinks, 2 private session and four hours from nine. I think it's not expensive. Impressions heap Bell&; Super.

Who is interested in their web site.

http://www.mandarin.ua/Not expensive?

From which standard? Sure if you have money to throw from window yes no problem. They literally robbed you. At least the private dance you mean fuck? I doubt you can fuck in this place, I know there, and so you are been completely robbed.

Why foreigners go in a country with a salary of 150 dollar minimum, and spend 500 dollar for nothing in 4 hours is out of my mind.

[LuisVega11]

I add other consideration who can help.

- as told never send money. This year I did it first time in my life, without knowing the girl. We chat for 2 months. She send me her passport her naked photos. And all for 30 dollar. She insisted so much I was embarrassed not to send. Also couldn't believe a person can spend so much energy for 30 dollar. I decide to send after she video chat naked. Well you know after two days she wrote I not sent. While I had the mail of confirmation from WU that money were picked up. I offended her so much I couldn't believe, this people really change your attitude towards women, and she replied: "You are very bad man." And blocked me. OK one zero for them.). Next use girl I fuck will have problem to walk for some days believe me. Anyway having some good contact to Europe community and workers to various embassy. I will be sure she won't have a schengen visa for long time. Her passport already checked in the black list. So never send nothing not even 1 dollar.

- Second. When you begin chatting, both mamba VK or other stuff. Don't over-chat. Just be sure she wants meet, she gives her number, and stop. Contact her only in Kiev. If you keep chatting every girl will present you with interest for money or a new phone. Clearly every girl will have a broken phone or mom or babucka in hospital. All bullshit. Not write them long and frequently. Just one message every week maximum to keep them alert you coming and stop.

[LastPlayer]

Dear mongers,

I wish you luck in mongering wherever you are now.

In March I will be in Kiev and would be glad to have some advices.

First one is Rio Club. As far as I read throughout the topic, it seems to be a take and go place. Is that right? What would be the damage until I agree with one of the ladies to go to my place. Is it a rip-off place.

2nd thing is the escort site relaxkiev. Did anyone try this site? Is it reliable?

Last one is Scarlette Strip Club. Jeka on the forum tried this place and seemed to be satisfied. Is this a place like Rio?

I know I asked a lot but even one advice would work.

[Tomek123]

Agree but in last time Mamba have not perfect reputation site for,working girls. But sometimes normal profile (ordinary girl in ordinary dating site) may also be interested in. She is not looking for a sponsor, but your suggestion makes her interest. But it certainly takes more time. Unfortunately. But unfortunately time is an expensive commodity. For example, I found a few days ago this girl on a regular dating site. For example, I found a few days ago this girl on a regular dating site. I offered her sex in exchange for money. She is not ready to do BBBJ and CIM, oral only in condom and Classic sex. I offer her the 3000 UAH for 1 meeting a few hours. She agreed and asked when I will be in Kiev. She's 19 years old.

[Reef LostCause]

Dear mongers,

I wish you luck in mongering wherever you are now.

In March I will be in Kiev and would be glad to have some advices.

First one is Rio Club. As far as I read throughout the topic, it seems to be a take and go place. Is that right? What would be the damage until I agree with one of the ladies to go to my place. Is it a rip-off place.
Takeout for one of the Rio girls in 300 USD for 2-3 hours.

You watch the girls dance on stage, and when you see one you like, you let the boucer know with either a tip for her, a drink or you can also try private dance with her on premises.

If I had taken the one I met on my first night, I'm pretty sure it would have been one of the memorable fuckfests of my life. But I failed to make a decision.

Actually, I waited until my last night to take one home (another one), and she was a waste of time and money.

Sh! T happens, I guess.

[Jekalat]

Not expensive?

From which standard? Sure if you have money to throw from window yes no problem. They literally robbed you. At least the private dance you mean fuck? I doubt you can fuck in this place, I know there, and so you are been completely robbed.

Why foreigners go in a country with a salary of 150 dollar minimum, and spend 500 dollar for nothing in 4 hours is out of my mind.Dear LuisVega11,

About privates, private dances to choose your favorite. Of course you taking her to the hotel.

Regarding that I robbed. I live impressions, the impression is the coolest in our lives. Why look dirty stinking monkey? If you want cheaper Woman, simple signs on the street, in the subway, in a cafe. Believe in Kiev are many beautiful and clean girls.

And most importantly, if you want to be at ease that your dick will not disappear, go to a good strip club.

And by the way Nine cost $ 300. Other privates, etc.

[Jojosun]

Oh. Now the Turks can get over that passport stamp thing. It's already filled with them now it makes it even easier for them. Damn no wonder the girls are charging San Francisco price. I think SF will be lower the price due the housing price is so high and rent is so high. Normal people already spent all their money on house and rent. I go to 2nd and 3rd cities 1 hour away from SF.

So what now, forget about Kiev and Odessa, Livi etc those well known cities? I think I need to go somewhere less known now.Here you go. Still on my list to do.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1475-Tiraspol

[Volpone]

About privates, private dances to choose your favorite. Of course you taking her to the hotel.

Regarding that I robbed. I live impressions, the impression is the coolest in our lives. Why look dirty stinking monkey? If you want cheaper Woman, simple signs on the street, in the subway, in a cafe. Believe in Kiev are many beautiful and clean girls.

And most importantly, if you want to be at ease that your dick will not disappear, go to a good strip club.

And by the way Nine cost $ 300. Other privates, etc.If you want to have sex in Spain or in Germany, you will get 1 Nine for 150 $ and less. It will be the same in Spain.

So I can see that you get a nine at the same price as it is in Switzerland, one of the most expensive country on earth. I didn't know that people in Kiev was loaded like in Switzerland and that they have so high salaries. So I will think about going to Spain or Germany, where I can get a nine for half price by comparison with Kiev.

[Rammstein2]

What the hell are you doing in this Rio Club.

Everybody of the Rio stuff is laughing about the tourists.

Who are paying the Rio prices for a low service.

Rio is a place for crazy and silly tourists.

[Jonathan Pine]

I can't even remember how many times girls tell me their phone is broken, stolen, mom or babushka is sick in hospital.

Guys wake up and don't fall for the trap!

No pussy, no new iPhone for them!

[Stevie69]

Well, for a 19 year old, 3000 UAH might be anywhere from half to a full month's salary, so she will definitely be interested on when you will return. I agree with your comment about mamba, and would have been impressed if you had said that you got your deal, with BBBJ, for 1000 to 15000 UAH.


Agree but in last time Mamba have not perfect reputation site for,working girls. But sometimes normal profile (ordinary girl in ordinary dating site) may also be interested in. She is not looking for a sponsor, but your suggestion makes her interest. But it certainly takes more time. Unfortunately. But unfortunately time is an expensive commodity. For example, I found a few days ago this girl on a regular dating site. For example, I found a few days ago this girl on a regular dating site. I offered her sex in exchange for money. She is not ready to do BBBJ and CIM, oral only in condom and Classic sex. I offer her the 3000 UAH for 1 meeting a few hours. She agreed and asked when I will be in Kiev. She's 19 years old.

[Tomek123]

My friends, you can hate me for saying this but I think strip clubs in Ukraine this madness-for it has developed the industry in Europe with the Romanian and Bulgarian strip-working girls. Is unjustified waste of money. Do not forget that these guys must have to pay bribes to police and other officials. Therefore, strip, in Ukraine will be expensive, even if people in Ukraine will die of hunger. Yes.

I found another girl today. She is looking for a sponsor in ad.

But she is willing to give the phone just before meeting.

But I have her email address. Still able to read and speak in Russian is very important in Ukraine for flirting haha. It opens up more opportunities. I asked her if I -may recommend it to my friend from Poland? Issue price of 3000 hryvnia for 3 hours of sex.

Oral and classic sex in condom. She agreed to meet with me and later in another day with my old friend. She like the fact that we are foreigners not local boys and her reputation its clean. She sent me some photos. She speaks Russian only. I think that the 3000 for three hours is not enough but not very much for the slim blond girl. If anyone is interested, I can share privately (I have email).

For its part, I will be glad to interesting new information.

I photoshop wiped her eyes on the photo. She sent me a good photo.

(Only if you are a civilized culture person and no devil. I do not want to hurt my reputation).

[Tomek123]

Well, for a 19 year old, 3000 UAH might be anywhere from half to a full month's salary, so she will definitely be interested on when you will return. I agree with your comment about mamba, and would have been impressed if you had said that you got your deal, with BBBJ, for 1000 to 15000 UAH.Yes, Steve, but somehow this is the price the agency Gia but only pure girl fee. (in Gia girl have 50%). It is a few hours. Not one hour. In Gia you can spend 45-50 minutes for 4000, (remember slim Ksiusha haha?

[Tomek123]

Day 5.

Attending to business.

Day 6

Can't remember.

Day 7

Relaxed, reading John LE Carre. A Delicate Truth-not one if his best-stiflingly Edwardian in style.

An excellent blow out at Mocco in Kreschatic Passage; Russian salad, Chateaubriand steak with asparagus, mille feuille pastry, herbal tea, 2 coffees and a coffee liqueur. A meal like that in the UK probably 80-here 35.

Day 8..Beautiful old reportage. I love this poetic prose of life as that of García Márquez)) Somebody used the massage salon Roksolana? I have never walked Roksolana. I'm prefer full sex but sometimes the Lingam massage is also a good relaxation and aesthetic pleasure.

[Tits_Lover]

But I have her email address. Still able to read and speak in Russian is very important in Ukraine for flirting haha. It opens up more opportunities. I asked her if I -may recommend it to my friend from Poland? Issue price of 3000 hryvnia for 3 hours of sex.
.Very much interested, I like that type although not with big boobs but her body looks really sexy. Can you send me pvt message? .

[Sponsor74]

My friends, you can hate me for saying this but I think strip clubs in Ukraine this madness-for it has developed the industry in Europe with the Romanian and Bulgarian strip-working girls. Is unjustified waste of money. Do not forget that these guys must have to pay bribes to police and other officials. Therefore, strip, in Ukraine will be expensive, even if people in Ukraine will die of hunger. Yes.

I found another girl today. She is looking for a sponsor in ad.

But she is willing to give the phone just before meeting.

But I have her email address. Still able to read and speak in Russian is very important in Ukraine for flirting haha. It opens up more opportunities. I asked her if I -may recommend it to my friend from Poland? Issue price of 3000 hryvnia for 3 hours of sex.

Oral and classic sex in condom. She agreed to meet with me and later in another day with my old friend. She like the fact that we are foreigners not local boys and her reputation its clean. She sent me some photos. She speaks Russian only. I think that the 3000 for three hours is not enough but not very much for the slim blond girl. If anyone is interested, I can share privately (I have email).

For its part, I will be glad to interesting new information.

I photoshop wiped her eyes on the photo. She sent me a good photo.

(Only if you are a civilized culture person and no devil. I do not want to hurt my reputation).Hello Tomec, please let me know more details of this girl and send me private post for my next trip next month.

[Skwiskwis]

Well, for a 19 year old, 3000 UAH might be anywhere from half to a full month's salary...Kiev is one of the biggest locations for video (sex) chat sites. The owners of studios advertise in local papers and at the universities and not just in Kiev, but all over Ukraine. Just check out myfreecams sometime and filter out all but European locations. Many of these so called models are from Ukraine (many of the ones claiming to be from Russia are in fact from Ukraine) and in addition to doing shows for tips they can sell videos, photos, snapchat, etc. And make a lot more than the average salary. Some of them are even non nude. They can work in studios or from their own homes if they have a computer and internet. There are many gorgeous university age girls still in Ukraine and many of them are desperate to earn money, but these days they will work online before they resort to prostitution.

[Tomek123]

Hello Tomec, please let me know more details of this girl and send me private post for my next trip next month.OK. Send me PM. Also if you know any sexy gentle MILF 1200-2500 UAH for 2-3 h. 27-34 years I would be glad. If then there is now something contacts I will be grateful later.

I am now in search of a good CIM, but girls want 90% of the classics and oral with condom. I myself think, may waive BBJ and not play in Russian roulette? But I do not want to give up old habits.

[Glums]

Hi to all guests and guys, who are planning to visit Kiev soon!

I live in Kiev and my person could be useful for some tips and advises during your visit to Kiev! Of course, I can help you with the girls. Not working girls / salons / professionals. Just a college girls (18-22), who can meet you for a good cash!) I can guarantee, that you will be pleased with my services!

To be in compliance with this Forum's rules, I need a Member status. To have an option to share my contacts with you via Private messages. I don't know any other way to do this.

So here is the deal: For that guy, who will pay for my Member status (in my favor) - I will help to choose the girl (or even two girls together) whom you will like and arrange a meeting with you. Free of charge!) Usually, this my services cost more, so the deal is good! Please, be aware, that an evening with the girls are starting from 100-150 $!

I am the person who cares about the reputation and, basically, I wouldn't receive any benefits from this favor and status. Except the possibility to use private messages and help you have a fun.

If you have any questions and concerns. Please, ask.I'am going to Kiev. I would to meet you and use your service. How can I contact you?

[BobSmith1]

Hi,

Where do I look for apartment rentals in Kiev and Kharkiv. I checked Airbnb, its like $650 to $1200 a month. You get the entire apartment but $1200 you can get a private studio in some good area in San Francisco too. So I still think $1200 in Ukraine is a little too expensive.

Are there any Apartment rental website for Ukrainians local? I can use google translator to translate all of it.

[Stevie69]

Very nice, and at about the right price, well, if it were one hour at a time. Who can have sex for 3 hours?


My friends, you can hate me for saying this but I think strip clubs in Ukraine this madness-for it has developed the industry in Europe with the Romanian and Bulgarian strip-working girls. Is unjustified waste of money. Do not forget that these guys must have to pay bribes to police and other officials. Therefore, strip, in Ukraine will be expensive, even if people in Ukraine will die of hunger. Yes.

I found another girl today. She is looking for a sponsor in ad.

But she is willing to give the phone just before meeting.

But I have her email address. Still able to read and speak in Russian is very important in Ukraine for flirting haha. It opens up more opportunities. I asked her if I -may recommend it to my friend from Poland? Issue price of 3000 hryvnia for 3 hours of sex..

[Stevie69]

Yes, that is what I mean, the prices in GIA, generally in the 3000 to 5000 UAH range, include the 50% for the agency, so the girls get 1500 to 2500. These are serious professionals of very good quality, and the photos are genuine. For a semi-pro, university student, single young mother, secretary, teller, or nurse, there is no reason to go above 1500 UAH ever!


Yes, Steve, but somehow this is the price the agency Gia but only pure girl fee. (in Gia girl have 50%). It is a few hours. Not one hour. In Gia you can spend 45-50 minutes for 4000, (remember slim Ksiusha haha?

[GDreams]

Hi,

Where do I look for apartment rentals in Kiev and Kharkiv. I checked Airbnb, its like $650 to $1200 a month. You get the entire apartment but $1200 you can get a private studio in some good area in San Francisco too. So I still think $1200 in Ukraine is a little too expensive.

Are there any Apartment rental website for Ukrainians local? I can use google translator to translate all of it.There are a few that do this and they can be found on google quite easily. Its been a long time since I used these services but 2 I have used were uaapartments and kievrent. Uaapartments lists apartments for many cities in Ukraine. Always get a centrally located apartment, you don't want to be catching taxis all the time.

[Tomek123]

Yes, that is what I mean, the prices in GIA, generally in the 3000 to 5000 UAH range, include the 50% for the agency, so the girls get 1500 to 2500. These are serious professionals of very good quality, and the photos are genuine. For a semi-pro, university student, single young mother, secretary, teller, or nurse, there is no reason to go above 1500 UAH ever!But as time? I am tall have good face and little charming. You too sociable and can approach the girls in the street near Shevchenko Uniwersity.

So it makes no sense for you to pay the USD 100. You can, and I can find a student girl even 900 hryvnia. Because we can work on the street!

But there are a lot of guys like you come to a foreign country to the girl, and how many people have a sense of humor?

The guy came out of a tough Western countries like Sweden or Austria. Where girl may even complain about it the police on the street.

Sexual harassment! ,What does this 46 years guy want from me? I m Sweden girl only 18 years. Police!

He does not know that in Ukraine it can meet in the street and later fuck this 18 girl for 1000-1500 UAH and later fuck her and later fuck her girlfriend Sweta, and later fuck her friend Katia and Oksana etc etc. Later fuck Julia, later Wika, later Tania. . And Ukrainian man can fuck her also.

But many guys have the courage like you and me? This is a rhetorical question yes you are right, the price all it 18 -years Sweta, Kristina, Oksana- 1500 UAH. But you have to spend time and to be successful and to like girls and have the courage. 70-80% of men don't have neither the time nor the inclination to look for someone. So they are bound to pay 100 dollars. That's life, my friend. And you understand it, I mean.

[Greg Obal]

Hi,

Where do I look for apartment rentals in Kiev and Kharkiv. I checked Airbnb, its like $650 to $1200 a month. You get the entire apartment but $1200 you can get a private studio in some good area in San Francisco too. So I still think $1200 in Ukraine is a little too expensive.

Are there any Apartment rental website for Ukrainians local? I can use google translator to translate all of it.Believe it or not I have had success using "hotel-type" sites: Booking, Hotels, TripAdvisor, Kayak, Etc, to get decent and relatively inexpensive apartments (and all in English). However, previously I only stayed for a couple of weeks at a time (more on longer term rentals in a minute). On those sites you can use filters to narrow things down to apartments /"specialty lodging"/ etc. , what you want, like specific areas (city center, Pechersk, left bank, Podil, etc.) and, most importantly, rates (they will usually be quoted as nightly rates but can be easily extrapolated to monthly). For example, to narrow your "monthly" rate to between $600 and $900, simply choose a nightly price range from $20 to $30. A benefit here is that there should be reviews and ratings for most properties and some locations allow for cancellations before certain dates, no deposits, airport shuttles, etc.

Now I am like you. I will soon return to Ukraine for the 5th time, only this time I will stay for almost 2 months so I, too, am looking for longer term apartments. One site I found that looks very promising (can't actually vouch for it yet since haven't rented any of their properties) is Kiev International Realty ("International" is abbreviated in the URL). Here again, I used various filters to narrow down for what and where I'm looking. For example, I chose their 3 areas covering city center and monthly rate. Between $500 and $900 - and the site returned 296 apts. You can list them out in various ways (e. G. , price, lowest to highest). The site presents the properties well with plenty of pics, descriptions, maps, etc. Check out the one bedroom near the Perchers 'ka Metro station for $730, . It looks beautiful and the location is fairly good (for me at least). Good luck!

[Riina]

For a semi-pro, university student, single young mother, secretary, teller, or nurse, there is no reason to go above 1500 UAH ever!1500 UAH equals 56 US dollars.

Best of luck.

[Tomek123]

So it makes no sense for you to pay the USD 100. You can, and I can find a student girl even 900 hryvnia. Because we can work on the street!

All the guys have to be born so high and attractive and funny and all I need to know more than one language as I and have good sense of humor and sociable like you? Some guys even at home have a lot of stress when meeting with a beautiful woman.

But there are a lot of guys like you come to a foreign country to the girl, and how many people have a sense of humor?

The guy came out of a tough Western countries like Sweden or Austria. Where girl may even complain about it the police on the street.

Sexual harassment! What does this 46 years guy want from me? I m Sweden girl only 18 years. Police!

He does not know that in Ukraine it can meet in the street and later fuck this 18 ages girl for 1000-1500 UAH and later fuck her and later fuck her girlfriend Sweta, and later fuck her friend Katia and Oksana etc etc. Later fuck Julia, later Wika, later Tania. . And Ukrainian man can fuck her also and her friends Sweta, Julia etc. .

But many guys have the courage like you and me? This is a rhetorical question) yes you are right, the price all it 18 -years Sweta, Kristina, Oksana- 1500 UAH. But you have to spend time and to be successful and to like girls and have the courage. 70-80% of men don't have neither the time nor the inclination to look for someone. So they are bound to pay 100 dollars. That's life, my friend. And you understand it, I mean.

[LuisVega11]

1500 UAH equals 56 US dollars.

Best of luck.Well if you are used to fuck only overpaying normal in Rio or Ggia escort service it seems low money.

But in Kiev there are thousand of girl who need this money only. Sure they also need to be a bit attracted by you. If they are not sure they will ask you 100-200 dollar.

You are the typical tourist. That's why you cannot find nice girl for 1000-1500. Very simple.

[LuisVega11]

Yes, that is what I mean, the prices in GIA, generally in the 3000 to 5000 UAH range, include the 50% for the agency, so the girls get 1500 to 2500. These are serious professionals of very good quality, and the photos are genuine. For a semi-pro, university student, single young mother, secretary, teller, or nurse, there is no reason to go above 1500 UAH ever!They are lot of money. And most of girl in Kiev not have mentality of prostitutes. They want a men sponsor who help them. But they need to be attracted also.

I have a girl who work in shop 8 hours day. She earns 3000. So why she work if according to many foxes here all girl can ask 3000 for an hour?

Simple she cannot find so easy sponsor who feed her. And she not like working as prostitute.

She first like me and this is important. I'm under 35. Is plus. Many who overpay are always 50-55. Sure girl ask a lot to older men. It's normal.

I give her 8 9000 month. Near 350 dollar. I met her more than 4 times a week for long time sometimes she sleep at my place. And most of all sex is not a commerce, she does everything without asking for surplus or this not this not. But it takes time and walk during day meeting girl in cafe mall street, have a solid day game.

Relying on mamba-gia other escort service is totally waste of time.

[NoMarriage]

Any contacts for girls. Been to Arena, Shooters, Caribbean club, etc. Quality is always taken. 4 day and no action. Need assistance. PM or respond.

[Reiner Otto]

Where do I look for apartment rentals in Kiev and Kharkivhttp://orendar.com/Kiev/Kvartira/

[CastOnThis]

Any contacts for girls. Been to Arena, Shooters, Caribbean club, etc. Quality is always taken. 4 day and no action. Need assistance. PM or respond.You are having problems finding attractive women in Kiev and finding out they are always already taken? That's because there isn't that many attractive women in Kiev! And the small percentage that are are already with a handsome boyfriend or with a wealthier older man or both! Attractive women in Kiev is very small to the numbers you would be thinking and that's because attractive women have fewer babies than ugly women. And that's a problem considering the population (younger) keeps getting smaller and that means fewer amount of attractive women are being born each year. That's been the cycle for the past twenty years!

If you are looking for hot women. Avoid Ukraine altogether. They are not interested in broke foreigners. They have everything they need within Kiev. You want hot girls go to Prague.

[DramaFree11]

Great post, everyone should read this and pay attention. The only way to girls in Kiev, is street action and you have to have a lot of game for this.

[Tomek123]

If you are looking for hot women. Avoid Ukraine altogether. They are not interested in broke foreigners. They have everything they need within Kiev. You want hot girls go to Prague.This is a joke? Go to Prague? The average salary in the Czech Republic about 800-900 euros! Why these hot Czech chicks must suck your cock and swallow the sperm if they can live well and have a normal job. This is because you are so beautiful and sexy? I fucked in Ukraine huge number of different good chicks for money about the same as in Latin America. In 2015, I fed my sperm beautiful 19 years chick just 400 grivnas. She sold the book at the book huge market Petrovka. Near the metro. (I bought her a good book about the Anglo-Boer War.) she came to work in Kiev from Zhitomir region. Then I have a few more times after that fucked her for 600-700 but she didn't agree anal sex. Just oral and classic, cues during my next visits.

Then I fucked two sisters, born 19-22 years. In 2016. They have Latino ass. Big but good ass. For 700-800 griwn. Later they ask me 900 because they need to give money for exams. Sometimes I see the phone ring -Privet. Oj. Mne tak nuzny sroczno dengi. Dawaj zawtra ya pridu k tebe? I need money, tomorrow I come to you, sometimes calling Julia and says -Dear, kotik, Ola (sister) in hard situation, in university, need help, bla-bla-bla).

I say-OK. Let tonight comes to me, I help her. Okay. I buy products. She cooks me dinner. The funny thing is she is constantly talking with her boyfriend and caressed my cock. She sometimes spoke to him for so long. Oh, honey, I cannot, (meet), better tomorrow, honey, night to do a lot of study, Kotik, I love you too, I'm very tired today. My had little sick today. Lets tomorrow, I realized that it gave her a strange pleasure. And when the boyfriend began to tell her something the phone at that time she began to suck my dick (she sucks my dick, his tongue caressed the bridle of my dick, and then she says -Yes? Again this fucking professor? History of Ukraine? OMG! He did not take the exam? (perhaps they studied together).

This boy begins to talk about this stupid professors and exams (I hope this guy is not reading our forum)-while her head begins to work up and down.

My whole body is burning. On the one hand a stupid situation, on the other hand I see that she likes it. These UA girls have some the sadism in blood. I mean. I motioned to her that I can not take it anymore. I start to breathe heavily. But this is showing me gesture -little more.

Then they tell each other sweet words,bye bye, solnychko, (the sun) and bla-bla-bla. As soon as she finishes the conversation with boyfriend, I put on a condom, then I put it in a position Doggy style or or lodge it in the stomach and starts to enter tough and begins a wild animal orgy-slaps on the ass, I take her by the hair and so on. I fuck during a break in her mouth. Then again, calling this poor guy boyfriend-fuck! Her face and body in the sperm. Lips in the sperm, sperm chest, neck in sperm. It's all in my semen, and they are a few minutes talking about his plans for tomorrow! Only Tinto Brass or Fellini can film it. I somewhere have her picture by the way.

P. S by the way.

19 years chick looking sponsor 3-4 times month 2000 UAH for few hours meeting. PM me. If have interests. I fuck her. Not Miss World face, but just girl. If any have contacts MILF 27-35 with anal and CIM in prices 1200-1500 -2000 I be glade.

[MagicSheep74]

Finally some sense -.

Tourists. Avoid Ukraine all together -.

Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Bhudda Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba / They are Overrated, Overpiced, Over-hyped, Shit.

If you speak Russian and stay in Ukraine, then you can get some pussy from a 7/10 / Great. The 9/10 and 10/10 are not available to anyone on this board. If they were, we would read the reports about them. We don't.

If you has access to Europe, Go to Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and fuck the brains out as many EE Women as you want in a nice country, instead of Ukraine which is the scam capital of Europe.

Good luck.

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[NemanLion]

Hi there Kiev punters,

I'm coming on a brief trip to Kiev. Won't have time for hunting as they say.

Whats the surest way of scoring quality chicks? Up to 150 E is no issue.

Advice appreciated.

[Tomek123]

Finally some sense -..Why people like me, like Steve69 and LuisVega11 and other guys can fuck chicks for 30-40-70-100 USD and such as you can not? I fucked this morning a few hours the high beautiful blond '23 years (as it turned out she had a little child and she was in a difficult situation). Yes. Unfortunately without anal sex and without BBBJ and of course CIM, but I mean it but it is still better what fucking 38 year old German girl. If it were as you say, then someone from the Western or Turkish guys have traveled to Ukraine. Go to the center of Kiev and Kharkov, and everywhere you hear Turkish or European language. And I'm glad that these guys will not go to Ukraine will not spoil the landscape for people like me and Steve69 or LuisVega11 and and the other guys from the our UHC,Ukrainian hedonistic club. Every tourist should look for their country. Who wants to fuck the disenfranchised women like animals of the poor Indian villages, let him go to brothels Delhi or Madras. Who wants to fuck tall thin slim blonds with higher education- choose Kiev, Kharkiv, Sumy or Zaporozhye.

[MagicSheep74]

Tomek123,

Like I said, its a waste of time for Western Tourist to go to Ukraine for a short term sex vacation. There are much better places, I am happy you enjoy it there.

Happy hunting.

[Samcik]

Hi there Kiev punters,

I'm coming on a brief trip to Kiev. Won't have time for hunting as they say.

Whats the surest way of scoring quality chicks? Up to 150 E is no issue.

Advice appreciated.Mamba is the easiest way to find girls if you don't speak russian. But make sure you get at least 10-15 contacts.

[BobSmith1]

Believe it or not I have had success using "hotel-type" sites: Booking, Hotels, TripAdvisor, Kayak, Etc, to get decent and relatively inexpensive apartments (and all in English). However, previously I only stayed for a couple of weeks at a time (more on longer term rentals in a minute). On those sites you can use filters to narrow things down to apartments /"specialty lodging"/ etc. , what you want, like specific areas (city center, Pechersk, left bank, Podil, etc.) and, most importantly, rates (they will usually be quoted as nightly rates but can be easily extrapolated to monthly). For example, to narrow your "monthly" rate to between $600 and $900, simply choose a nightly price range from $20 to $30. A benefit here is that there should be reviews and ratings for most properties and some locations allow for cancellations before certain dates, no deposits, airport shuttles, etc.

Now I am like you. I will soon return to Ukraine for the 5th time, only this time I will stay for almost 2 months so I, too, am looking for longer term apartments. One site I found that looks very promising (can't actually vouch for it yet since haven't rented any of their properties) is Kiev International Realty ("International" is abbreviated in the URL)...Hi there,

I'm also checking a UA site. I used google translate to read it. Price wise, its just a little bit differences like $100 to $200 difference.

What do you think of this one?

https://www.lun.ua/uk/%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80-%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%97%D0%B2?roomCount=1&areaTotalMin=45&areaTotalMax=80&priceMax=12000&currency=2

[Riina]

Finally some sense -.

Tourists. Avoid Ukraine all together -.

Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Bhudda Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba / They are Overrated, Overpiced, Over-hyped, Shit.

If you speak Russian and stay in Ukraine, then you can get some pussy from a 7/10 / Great. The 9/10 and 10/10 are not available to anyone on this board. If they were, we would read the reports about them. We don't.

If you has access to Europe, Go to Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and fuck the brains out as many EE Women as you want in a nice country, instead of Ukraine which is the scam capital of Europe.

Good luck.

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In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!I've always viewed Ukraine as a place to hunt more complicated relationships then simple p4 p. My trips to Kiev would have all been miserable without the quality prostitutes to get me by. But it seems they moved on and it's not a fun time without pussy.

[Tomek123]

This chest is really impressive. I fucked her in 2015 and later in 2016 . Good anal sex. Inexpensive. But oral sex only in condom. In bed is very passionate.

Even aggressive. Tricky and strives to ensure to the client as soon as possible finished and gone, no bad face but good juicy ass.

Face no bad with big nice.

But has a little overweight, and her shoulders as wide as the waist. Its biggest advantage is inexpensive hard anal sex and huge very big and hot tits like boiling water. Minus. She and a girlfriend smoke directly into the apartment, that tobacco smell badly. Fuck. I do not smoke and it is unusual.

Her friend can not remember the her name have of a good tender hands. Light skin. Not such as the bronze skin at the marina. Minus-they constantly forget to turn off your phone. Is two minutes to orgasm, I put strong deep strokes in her ass the entire depth- the sperm will break out now! And then- call and idiotic Russian music ringtones-La-LA-lA Moja liubow a la la. I told them the last time, they bastards! Fucking phone.

Marina have two small children, her 25 years. If someone has a good heart and is willing to help a single mother in a poor country that write to me PM. But she speak only in Russian. Maybe little in English.

[MagicSheep74]

As am mentioned I had very little success in Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Buddha Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba etc.

So 3 days into my 5 days trip I started to use Tinder, it proved a little more successful. I received about 20 Matches in in about 24 hours, and specifically targeted a beautiful blond named Maria.

She was from Kharkiv, but lived in Kiev. In her pictures with the aid of photoshop and filters, she looked model material. I planned for us to meet in the reception of the 11 Mirrors Design Hotel and we ate out at a Restaurant across the Road called 'Citronelle. Very nice by the way!

When Maria arrived, she was not nearly as attracted as her photoshopped pics, but was still better than the offering on Mamba and in the other clubs.

She spoke very like English and I speak very little Russian. So things were awkward, but we have a pleasant night. It was clear she was looking for a serious guy, and was not going to put out on our first date.

We met the following day, and went out to the park and done the tourist thing.

She did spent the second night at my hotel and things did happen, but it was more just foreplay of sorts as full sex was just not on offer. I was leaving the next day and we still keep in touch, no money was ever discussed, it was simply the cost of dinner and drinks.

Kiev is definitely a long game time of destination, and I agree with many that if you have the time and patience the rewards could bear some impressive results.

Here is me and Maria in the Park.

But in my opinion don't dismiss Tinder and Travel Girls sites, I believe both can prove useful if approached carefully.

Cheers.

[KievUA]

Hi there,

I'm also checking a UA site. I used google translate to read it. Price wise, its just a little bit differences like $100 to $200 difference.

What do you think of this one?

https://www.lun.ua/uk/%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%80-%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%97%D0%B2?roomCount=1&areaTotalMin=45&areaTotalMax=80&priceMax=12000&currency=2This is a good site, but these apartments are only for the citizens of Ukraine, and only for the long term of 1 year. You can rent them for 1-2 months, but the cost will be much higher. I live here and I know everything here.

[LuisVega11]

I think it should be clear. Only if you have done a lot of homework in various time or already know some girl or you have a lot of money.

Said this Kiev is more to build afp connection, friendship, is a beautiful city to stroll around without any risk and is cheap. Sure if you are 50 55 and want bang model of 18 what you expect? To pay 40 dollar?

[Riina]

I think it should be clear. Only if you have done a lot of homework in various time or already know some girl or you have a lot of money.

Said this Kiev is more to build afp connection, friendship, is a beautiful city to stroll around without any risk and is cheap. Sure if you are 50 55 and want bang model of 18 what you expect? To pay 40 dollar?I completely agree. It's a wonderful city for strolling with a real possibility of making a connection anywhere you go.

I just wish for more quality hookers like five years ago.

[Tomek123]

But you pay attention how much in these Kievan night clubs the guys from Turkey? When there had been an engineer of Finland and the IT specialist from Frankfurt and funny guys from Canada or the US was not bad. Now some girls already think seven times before you go to a nightclub. The more that Ukrainians chicks is not Thai or Colombian girls. Ukrainians girls it poor but proud European peoples. Quite proud and independent. These guys from Turkey came from a conservative Muslim society. And they think that is all these beautiful girl is a working girls and every girl dream suck Turkish dick for 30 dollars. And behave often very aggressive and rude. But it can not do anything against. You also can not prohibit these hot guys to travel to Ukraine) or you will not be let into the club of all who have a Turkish passport? Of course no, it be racism. This club will be accused of racism.

Turkey is nearly 100 million inhabitants and it is near Ukraine. I know that of the girls say me that are now in last time the any smart Turks have invented new ways to get acquainted and meet with girls. They say that they are hot Spaniards, or Italians, or other south European peoples.

Some photos of my visits to the Sumy and Charkiw. Slim Ania. Sumy. Old good friend. Good BJ, no CIM, no anal unfortunately. Smart gentle girl. She writes poetry. I m little helping her financially. Ready to action, after sex etc, a visit to the sauna and deep throat BJ. Another good friends -Ksiusha and Lena. Sumy (northern Ukraine), 2015. (Helping them financially also).

[BobSmith1]

This is a good site, but these apartments are only for the citizens of Ukraine, and only for the long term of 1 year. You can rent them for 1-2 months, but the cost will be much higher. I live here and I know everything here.One of the members here told me about this site below. Ya I think for 2 to 3 months, it would be $650 per month. If you are citizen of UA, maybe $250 to $300 for a yearly rent.

[RocketMan0010]

Wanted to share my adventures in Kiev. I'm in my mid-30's, good-looking with a good sense of style, and speak fluent Russian. Going in I wanted to avoid the standard P4P, strip clubs, etc. I wanted fun with regular girls, but I only had 3 days to work with. I did stock up on about 10-12 contacts from mamba and tour bar, most of them paid but also several that never mentioned money.

Day 1.

I land around 6 pm and fire up the hookup apps and start matching. In a cab on the way to my airbnb near Maidan Nezalezhnosti I'm talking to several dozen matches, with two girls willing to meet me for dinner within a few hours. I choose a 27 why / o woman and agree to meet at the Odessa Restaurant, which is near her house. We're all flirty over Tinder, so it looks promising. The girl looks like an 8-9 in her pics.

I end up waiting for her for nearly half an hour. When she finally arrives, she's more of a 7. Great body, decent face. We eat dinner, which is as expensive as it gets in Ukraine. Odessa has great atmosphere, but I expected more from the food. The bill ends up being around 1.7 k UAH with tip, and by then I'm not expecting much. The girl is definitely interested in me long-term, but she's not putting out tonight. I walk her home and make a move anyway, but she doesn't go for it. Strike one.

I take an Uber home (that's right, Ukraine has Uber now- bye, taxi mafia!) and start looking at other prospects, though it's already pretty late. Another Tinder match, 21 y/ o. We start talking. She's very direct and only wants sex, no mention of money. Most would consider her a 7, but I'm very attracted to sex fiends, and she obviously is one, so that bumps her up in my book. I offer to send an Uber for her and she agrees. But then she goes silent and stops answering. It's 3 am, and I go to sleep tired and unfulfilled.

Day 2.

In the morning the girl responds, apologizing- she's apparently fallen asleep after showering. I send an Uber for her and she arrives around 11 am. We end up making a real connection, great conversation, etc. And incredible sex. We spend the whole day together without even going out for food. I put her in an Uber back home around 6 pm. I would readily spend the rest of my time in Kiev with her (the sex is that good), but she says she'll be very busy working over the next few days so no promises. So, I decide to use the evening to scout out for other options.

I chat up another Tinder match and make plans to walk around the city and grab dinner. Similar story: 8-9 in the pics, more like 7 in real life. 30 y/ o. We spend a few hours together and eat at Very Well Cafe (got to love these names). Very tasty food, and not very expensive at all. After feeling her out, I realize she's also interested in long-term, and I wouldn't be getting any in the immediate future. I don't bother making a move, and just walk her to the Subway, then head to my place. I'm not upset since this was more of an insurance play, and the woman was fun company otherwise.

Day 3.

My first choice is the Tinder girl from yesterday, so I wait for her to disclose availability. She manages to sneak away to grab lunch with me, but then is called into work. Chances of seeing her later are slim, so I consider other options. I feel like a massage, and after some research I decide to give erotic massage a try. Arrive at their location near Admiralskaya Metro, and go up to the apt. I don't usually do rub-and-tugs- this is mainly for curiosity's sake.

Four girls are working. Dasha, Masha, Yuliya and Inna. I go with Inna who seems to have the best personality of the bunch. I chose right. Very sweet girl, face a 7 but body is absolutely rocking incredibly sexy with perfect tits. Classic massage, erotic massage and Lingam massage that I wanted to try. I'm very nice to Inna, and she's very nice to me in return. A lot of touching and very pleasant sensations- definitely recommend to anyone who hasn't tried it. Inna gets really into it and goes over by at least 10-15 minutes. Damage: 1200 UAH plus a fat tip for the extra mile. I try to get her contact so as to meet with her outside the salon, but no dice- she just doesn't do it.

I get back to the apt and start planning the next day. My Tinder girl is AWOL, and I'm flying out the following evening, so no time left for anything less than a sure thing. I have another match that's willing to come over, but she's more of a 5 and I want to end on a high note, so I look through my mamba prospects and start talking to a few of my top choices. One of them is available to meet the next morning, and we arrange it. The quote is $100 for 2 hours. There were cheaper options available and a few pricier ones, but this is one of my top choices.

Day 4.

The mamba girl arrives at 9 am. She's as close to a 10 in pictures as it gets, and for once real life doesn't disappoint. This girl is stunning. 20 y/ o college student who clearly doesn't do this all the time. Lots of kissing, DATY, she insists on CIM for the first pop. Second pop I elect to cum inside (covered, obviously). She ends up staying 3 hours instead of 2, and seems very happy to do it. Not a mention of more $. I spend the rest of the time sightseeing and enjoying the city, then fly out in the evening.

Overall, I'm very satisfied with the trip. The Tinder girl and I are keeping in contact for next time. In fact, I can definitely see myself wanting to see both the massage and the mamba girl again on future visits. For me, it's quality over quantity, so I'm not disparaged by *only* two girls over 3.5 days. The erotic / lingam massage is a worthwhile experience, too.

Pro tip: be a human being to these women! Read Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People. I know I have more going for me than the prototypical monger, but I'm neither super handsome nor super rich. The reason I got such good service with girls 2 and 3 was because I was nice to them and didn't treat them like a commodity, which made them want to please me in return. The approach may not be typical, but I stand by it.

Hope you enjoyed the report, and happy hunting!

[RocketMan0010]

Meant to link the erotic massage place but forgot: http://www.kapriz-salon.kiev.ua/.

[LuisVega11]

Wanted to share my adventures in Kiev. I'm in my mid-30's, good-looking with a good sense of style, and speak fluent Russian. Going in I wanted to avoid the standard P4P, strip clubs, etc. I wanted fun with regular girls, but I only had 3 days to work with. I did stock up on about 10-12 contacts from mamba and tour bar, most of them paid but also several that never mentioned money.

Day 1.

I land around 6 pm and fire up the hookup apps and start matching. In a cab on the way to my airbnb near Maidan Nezalezhnosti I'm talking to several dozen matches, with two girls willing to meet me for dinner within a few hours. I choose a 27 why / o woman and agree to meet at the Odessa Restaurant, which is near her house. We're all flirty over Tinder, so it looks promising. The girl looks like an 8-9 in her pics.

I end up waiting for her for nearly half an hour. When she finally arrives, she's more of a 7. Great body, decent face. We eat dinner, which is as expensive as it gets in Ukraine. Odessa has great atmosphere, but I expected more from the food. The bill ends up being around 1.7 k UAH with tip, and by then I'm not expecting much. The girl is definitely interested in me long-term, but she's not putting out tonight. I walk her home and make a move anyway, but she doesn't go for it. Strike one...Hi,

Uber how much cost?

Mamba girl, any link to profile? Price?

[Hedonist]

He, he, actually, a nightclub run by a Turk (Shooters) used to face-control Turks. So, it is doable.

No matter what they say in social circles, Ukie and Russian girls dig dark men and do fuck well-behaving Turks like bunnies unless they are super elitnaya. Attitude towards carpet / arbuz sellers flooding Kiev nightclubs thanks to budget airlines is a different story. I had the good fortune of living in Ukraine at some point in my life. I have fond memories of fucking in trains, in my car, in girls' cars, in the forest, by the lake, girls from clubs, girls in clubs, some of my coworkers, my Russian teacher, sisters, in threesomes, etc, etc.

With a bit of Russian and time, Kiev would satisfy and surprise any decent man. For P4P there are more predictable and practical destinations for sure (Thailand, FKK, etc.), in those places quality of sex will never match what a desiring Slavic will let you enjoy. Slavic girls know how to fuck and how to please a man.

Stop complaining. Up your game.


But you pay attention how much in these Kievan night clubs the guys from Turkey? When there had been an engineer of Finland and the IT specialist from Frankfurt and funny guys from Canada or the US was not bad. Now some girls already think seven times before you go to a nightclub. The more that Ukrainians chicks is not Thai or Colombian girls. Ukrainians girls it poor but proud European peoples. Quite proud and independent. These guys from Turkey came from a conservative Muslim society. And they think that is all these beautiful girl is a working girls and every girl dream suck Turkish dick for 30 dollars. And behave often very aggressive and rude. But it can not do anything against. You also can not prohibit these hot guys to travel to Ukraine) or you will not be let into the club of all who have a Turkish passport? Of course no, it be racism. This club will be accused of racism.

Turkey is nearly 100 million inhabitants and it is near Ukraine. I know that of the girls say me that are now in last time the any smart Turks have invented new ways to get acquainted and meet with girls. They say that they are hot Spaniards, or Italians, or other south European peoples.

Some photos of my visits to the Sumy and Charkiw. Slim Ania. Sumy. Old good friend. Good BJ, no CIM, no anal unfortunately. Smart gentle girl. She writes poetry. I m little helping her financially. Ready to action, after sex etc, a visit to the sauna and deep throat BJ. Another good friends -Ksiusha and Lena. Sumy (northern Ukraine), 2015. (Helping them financially also).

[Boofer]

Please advise websites that locals use?

Regards.

[Riina]

Slavic girls know how to fuck and how to please a man.

I often wonder why that is. I think partly because Slavs have an anathema towards work. The girls aren't fatigued by jobs, have few children, and mostly live without all the meaningless crap. Feminism is still weak in the East. The girls just don't have the consequential hatred towards their men like the "fat beatches" out West.

[Jonathan Pine]

I often wonder why that is. I think partly because Slavs have an anathema towards work. The girls aren't fatigued by jobs, have few children, and mostly live without all the meaningless crap. Feminism is still weak in the East. The girls just don't have the consequential hatred towards their men like the "fat beatches" out West.I wonder about this, too. I guess maybe it has something to do with traditional gender roles in their society. Men are supposed to be bread winners, be strong. Women's roles are to be at home, to take care of children, to cook and clean, and to satisfy men in bed.

This makes me think that women from Islamic cultures also are also great fucks because they also have traditional gender roles. Can anyone with experience with Muslim girls confirm?

[Misc123]

I wonder about this, too. I guess maybe it has something to do with traditional gender roles in their society. Men are supposed to be bread winners, be strong. Women's roles are to be at home, to take care of children, to cook and clean, and to satisfy men in bed.

This makes me think that women from Islamic cultures also are also great fucks because they also have traditional gender roles. Can anyone with experience with Muslim girls confirm?Depends on what kind of Muslim girl. A Muslim girl who is westernized and moneyed tends to be spoiled (whether in the West or say in Dubai or here in Toronto or over in States). But a Muslim girl from from the EE countries tend to be like their Slavic counterparts. Among the many muslim girls, I still remember Layla, a student from Crimea studying in Kiev. Spoke broken English. I met her on Kreschatyk in one of the evenings 3-4 years back. 175 cms, 20 years old, athletic blond with a body to match. We ended up having sex all night. She stayed at least 10 hours. All for 100 $. Never saw her again. True gems like that are rare. Diamonds in the rough.

[LastPlayer]

Hello Reef,

Thank you for your reply and sorry for late mine.

In general when I go abroad I always try to take my chance with non-pros if I have got enough time.

I will be in Kiev just for 3 days and don't want to return home empty handed. This is the reason I will check Rio as it seems the only place to achieve a good result. I will of course try my chance in clubs like Coyote, Forsage, D'lux etc. And Rio will be my safe house.

As per your review on Rio it seems nothing to fear about being ripped off and that is a quite enough feedback for me.


Takeout for one of the Rio girls in 300 USD for 2-3 hours.

You watch the girls dance on stage, and when you see one you like, you let the boucer know with either a tip for her, a drink or you can also try private dance with her on premises.

If I had taken the one I met on my first night, I'm pretty sure it would have been one of the memorable fuckfests of my life. But I failed to make a decision.

Actually, I waited until my last night to take one home (another one), and she was a waste of time and money.

Sh! T happens, I guess.

[Sterlo]

Depends on what kind of Muslim girl. A Muslim girl who is westernized and moneyed tends to be spoiled (whether in the West or say in Dubai or here in Toronto or over in States). But a Muslim girl from from the EE countries tend to be like their Slavic counterparts. Among the many muslim girls, I still remember Layla, a student from Crimea studying in Kiev. Spoke broken English. I met her on Kreschatyk in one of the evenings 3-4 years back. 175 cms, 20 years old, athletic blond with a body to match. We ended up having sex all night. She stayed at least 10 hours. All for 100 $. Never saw her again. True gems like that are rare. Diamonds in the rough.I have lived in the Middle East for several years and speak Arabic, fucked plenty of Muslim girls. They are much the same as any other girls but those who do fuck before marriage tend to do a lot of it. Surprisingly a lot cheat once they are married. If you are in the Middle East the best idea is to find a Catholic Church and find out when they have a tagalog service.

[Sterlo]

I have been to Kiev every two months for the last year and a half, about time I made a report. If you have time or go there regularly Tinder is a goldmine. For punting Mamba is good but you need time and to organize it before you arrive.

A few tips to filter the girls on Mamba.

Do a reverse image search.

If she is interested in a man 18-60 she is a working girl.

If there are pictures of her in Dubai she will do almost anything if the price is right.

Google the phone number she provides.

My first punt off Mamba was a blonde named Yulia, claimed to be early 30's but actually 40's and old pictures that had been touched up. Busty blonde with a nice body. For $100 she came with her friend Helen, a slim brunette with a tight body who does not speak English. They don't kiss and only Helen would eat pussy and wanted to change condom when I changed girls but both did BBJ. Started by making out with each girl and double BJ before fucking Yulia, Helen spent most of her time licking my balls or kissing Yulia breasts. Good but nothing out of the ordinary, finished on her large natural breasts and straight into Helen's mouth. I then learned that Helen gave a world class BJ, she was happy to be facefucked in pretty much any position. The sex was just as vigorous, Helen is extremely flexible and permissive. She liked having a thumb up her ass while fucking so despite the claim that they don't do anal I wasn't surprised that she didn't bat an eyelid when I started fucking her ass. She can keep her knees behind her shoulders and ankles behind her head which was fun and it was a proper three-way when we were both fucking her. Finished in Helen's mouth again.

Rested for a while and both girls massaged me before Yulia climbed in for round two. To be honest I wanted to do Helen again but it was hard to argue. The second time around she was much more enthusiastic, not that the first was bad, but I think she felt competitive after seeing that Helen was definitely the better piece of ass but still not willing to do anal. Finished inside her and then tore the condom off to have Helen clean up with her mouth again.

It was late so we showered up, Helen spent most of the shower on her knees before I helped myself to her ass again. It was fun and I saw them once more but there are plenty of younger and hotter girls in Kiev. Will probably do it again next time but only for the fact that Helen lets her mouth get used so hard.

[Deer1234]

I am tired of fake photos in Mamba. Ru.

A kindle book recommended UkraineDate.com and Tinder.

I have not figured out how to use Tinder.

Is UkraineDate.com worthwhile?

[Russel4339]

I am tired of fake photos in Mamba. Ru.

A kindle book recommended UkraineDate.com and Tinder.

I have not figured out how to use Tinder.

Is UkraineDate.com worthwhile?I have met many nice women on UkraineDate. You have to pay the fee to be able to write them, but it is not a bad site. I have never met a women there with fake photos (maybe a little older than her photos, but they were her online).

Lastly. None of the women I have met there are pros or even part timers. Don't expect to meet women there and drop them a line about sex for money. I live in the Ukraine, so I have time to wine and dine these women. It takes several dates, but you have a pseudo girlfriend and great sex.

The pros and semi pros are much easier to find on Mamba.

[Vitrea]

Wanted to share my adventures in Kiev. I'm in my mid-30's, good-looking with a good sense of style, and speak fluent Russian. Going in I wanted to avoid the standard P4P, strip clubs, etc. I wanted fun with regular girls, but I only had 3 days to work with. I did stock up on about 10-12 contacts from mamba and tour bar, most of them paid but also several that never mentioned money.

Day 1........

Hope you enjoyed the report, and happy hunting!Awesome report. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it. Thank you.

[BellBottomsDJ]

Anyone have plans to be in Kiev during mid to late May?

[Samcik]

Anyone have plans to be in Kiev during mid to late May?I will be there first week of May.

[TwoInchFg]

I live in Switzerland and we got the best looking and most expensive Pros in europe. I had some better than real girlfriend experience and bad ones.

I'm leaving for Kiew on Thursday, got lucky because I got a personal army office as guide (got connections through friends), but I decided to check out Mamba for Pros and Ukraine Date for some more serious stuff.

And at Mamba the prices went up, well at least for the good looking ones. So I'm happy to pay 150 USD for 2-3 hours less is possible and I got some really nice line up.

And I will visit some of the massage places which are shit cheap even if you take the best and longest "treatment".

I had some good experience with body to body and tantra massage in eastern europe. I'm getting old and lazy.

I'm an average looking guy starting 40 look younger charming and funny. Treat the girls nice and they treat you nice. That is my credo.

I will keep you updated next week about the situation in Kiev, massages, mamba girls and so on.

If any body needs advice about Switzerland, fucked it all. Let me know.

[Vitrea]

I live in Switzerland and we got the best looking and most expensive Pros in europe. I had some better than real girlfriend experience and bad ones.

I'm leaving for Kiew on Thursday, got lucky because I got a personal army office as guide (got connections through friends), but I decided to check out Mamba for Pros and Ukraine Date for some more serious stuff.

And at Mamba the prices went up, well at least for the good looking ones. So I'm happy to pay 150 USD for 2-3 hours less is possible and I got some really nice line up.

And I will visit some of the massage places which are shit cheap even if you take the best and longest "treatment".

I had some good experience with body to body and tantra massage in eastern europe. I'm getting old and lazy.

I'm an average looking guy starting 40 look younger charming and funny. Treat the girls nice and they treat you nice. That is my credo.

I will keep you updated next week about the situation in Kiev, massages, mamba girls and so on.

If any body needs advice about Switzerland, fucked it all. Let me know.Sounds like you have a nice trip planned.

I am going later in April and interestingly have Switzerland as a back up in case Kiev did not work out. Switzerland because I have mongered in rest of Europe fe times over and looking for a variety.

I was going to send you some verified mamba contacts but you don't have PM. You can pay few bucks or write 25 posts. Fast. Ha ha.

[StanBob]

Goin to Kiev mid-April looking for decent hotel recommendations in the $50 range any suggestions? Any comments on these names. I prefer a location I can walk to everything.

Hotel Ukraine.

Royal Olympic.

Sunflower.

Hotel Rus.

Hotel Kozatskiy.

Royal Hotel de Paris.

Dnipro.

Royal City.

Royal Deluxe.

Hotel Express.

Lybid hotel.

Dream House hostel.

Also, what are the best red light spots these days.

[Riina]

Goin to Kiev mid-April looking for decent hotel recommendations in the $50 range any suggestions? Any comments on these names. I prefer a location I can walk to everything.

Hotel Ukraine.

Royal Olympic.

Sunflower.

Hotel Rus.

Hotel Kozatskiy.

Royal Hotel de Paris.

Dnipro.

Royal City.

Royal Deluxe.

Hotel Express.

Lybid hotel.

Dream House hostel.

Also, what are the best red light spots these days.I would choose Hotel Rus. It use to be apartments were the way to go in Kiev, but hotel rates are way down and probably now a better option.

[Buckinup]

Goin to Kiev mid-April looking for decent hotel recommendations in the $50 range any suggestions? Any comments on these names. I prefer a location I can walk to everything.

I have stayed at the hotel Dnipro. The location is excellent, right on the main street, across from Buddha Bar. Interior and rooms were a bit dated and I was in one of the larger rooms. Saw some reviews saying economy rooms weren't that nice.

[MagicSheep74]

Sounds like you have a nice trip planned.

I am going later in April and interestingly have Switzerland as a back up in case Kiev did not work out. Switzerland because I have mongered in rest of Europe fe times over and looking for a variety.

I was going to send you some verified mamba contacts but you don't have PM. You can pay few bucks or write 25 posts. Fast. Ha ha.My advice. Use your backup plan and go to Switzerland. Don't waste you money on a disappointing experience in Kiev. Switzerland is far superior in every aspect for our hobby, along with other countries you have probably already been.

Magic Sheep.

[Riina]

My advice. Use your backup plan and go to Switzerland. Don't waste you money on a disappointing experience in Kiev. Switzerland is far superior in every aspect for our hobby, along with other countries you have probably already been.

Magic Sheep.Agreed. Go to Kiev to explore the city and enjoy the night life, but not for just mongering.

[Tomek123]

But do not forget that Kiev is not exactly Ukraine.

Kiev is very expensive for Ukrainians. And many girls are not indigenous Kyivans.

These girls live often three girls in one apartment.

But it's hard to live in the same apartment. So we must understand that the girl lays the rent of housing and food and cosmetics at the cost of sex. It's not Brazil, where thousands of poor favela girls can go on prostitution all year round. This Brazilian girl should just buy a short skirt or shorts and makeup. She lives in the favela on the outskirts of Rio. In ukraine you have to pay for heating. You can not live in a house made of thin boards or raw brick. So the owner of the apartment or requires a lot of money from the girl or fucks her and her girlfriend twice a week. Free. On the other hand, a lot of foreigners in Kiev. I talked with one girl from Mamba. She gave me such data-25-30% of all the men who offer sex to her are the Turks. And about 30-40% are Europeans and other Westerners. That is, about 50% of all the guys who write to her and offer sex are non-Ukrainians. Foreigners. She is small, blonde with a childish face but very beautiful. I asked her what money she was offered. She answered that one guy offered her 400 USD for few hours! Another 4 000 Griwnas, another 100 USD meet.

Many guys came for 2-3 days and do not have much time to search. And somehow a beautiful 18 year old girl in Western Europe will cost more than 150 dollars.

If this is a Romanian prostitute, then it can cost in Germany even 50 euros. But a beautiful 18 years old student you can not fuck in Germany for $ 50. High and beautiful. I do not believe in all these stories about how some guy fucked in Spain or Germany, beautiful women for 30-40 euros.

And these girls were beautiful and irresistible and look like a model. I do not believe in that.

Sometimes I find such girls in ukraine and fuck them. Often these are ordinary girls. Not professionals.

I learned to offer money. That the girl did not take offense and did not feel like a prostitute)).

But I do not believe that in Denmark I will be able to just as easily fuck a beautiful 18 year old Danish white student. And I even would probably not go to her in a cafe or on the beach.

These chicks in the photo were fucked in the beginning for free. This is the north of Ukraine 400 km near Kiev. Then the guys began to invite them to parties and pay them 300-400 hryvnia for sex. These girls a few. They are friends. My ukrainian old friend Wlad fucked them all. They are not PRO. They are the most ordinary girls from poor families. But then the guys began to give each other their contacts. And they often called. Now they already take no less than 800 hryvnia for 3 hours meet. (For this city is a good money) They realized that they can have not 350 and 800 hryvnia. !I fucked them a week ago for both 2300 hryvnia for 4-5 hours. These are two sisters. Without anal but oral sex without condom,. They worked well with their tongues and mouths over my penis and testicles (I finished and my sperm hit like a bullet in her (Marina) eye-They said that I am a great sniper. They told me that they would call me the Shooter. They really deserved their money. Also I fucked after that another girl from this company. And then another. They all told me that they dream to go to Kiev and there to find themselves wealthy husbands and then never work. And live off their husbands. These women's ukrainians dreams haha. I paid a bit more expensive than the local guys. But I'm sure that in Kiev they will not suck cock and suck and lick the male balls for 800 hryvnia. They will want more. Prices are rising. It just market and only market my friends.

P.S. Very nice video. Ukrainian girls.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxYbgcce7Rs

[Riina]

I agree the city is cool, but the nightlife is just not very good now. Friday is decent, but it goes downhill quickly.No matter where you go or what you do, it's possible to make a connection in Kiev. Unlike most Western cities where it can seem almost hopeless for a grown up guy.

[AntonioMontana]

No matter where you go or what you do, it's possible to make a connection in Kiev. Unlike most Western cities where it can seem almost hopeless for a grown up guy.If you speak Russian maybe. When I was in Kiev (see post some time ago in 2015) it was not possible unfortunately, since I did not speak Russian. Buddha Bar and Shooters were quite empty on weekend. I remember sorry babushka was ok, but girls were just average and as I said without language no chance.

[Deer1234]

I have met many nice women on UkraineDate. Lastly. None of the women I have met there are pros or even part timers. Don't expect to meet women there and drop them a line about sex for money. I live in the Ukraine, so I have time to wine and dine these women. It takes several dates, but you have a pseudo girlfriend and great sex. The pros and semi pros are much easier to find on Mamba.Thank you very much for your useful information. The problem with me and most of the guys here is that I can stay in Ukraine only for a week or so. The problem with mamba is that there are so many fake photos and so many old photos taken many years (if not decades) ago. On the other hand, really beautiful pro girls on mamba receive many invitations every day, and do not reply. Are there any webcam site where I can negotiate dating?

[SgtBoyle2]

If you speak Russian maybe. When I was in Kiev (see post some time ago in 2015) it was not possible unfortunately, since I did not speak Russian. Buddha Bar and Shooters were quite empty on weekend. I remember sorry babushka was ok, but girls were just average and as I said without language no chance.Surprised to hear of your experiences in Budhha Bar. Was there last night and took home a really attractive MILF ($250 battered down from $400) who spoke excellent English and was really good company. Granted her tits had begun to sag a little and she had put on a few pounds but a really attractive woman nevertheless and a great (covered) shag; I'm taking her out for supper tonight.

I've been to Buddha Bar on at least four occasions over the last year and I've always left with something worthwhile. The demographic is generally older than Skybar or other such establishments but I've always found a gaggle of women (aged 25 +) to choose from. It's also really easy and comparatively cheap to negotiate around. You just go up to the bar order a cocktail (150 UAH) and survey what's on offer. I speak no Russian but am always suitably suited and booted and have almost always got my first choice. As a word of advice and one that applies to all such establishments: never hesitate. If you see something you like go straight up to her and say Hello, ask her name and offer to buy her a drink. Within moments she will mention her price and then you can gently bargain her down. Be polite and once she's reached her final offer take it or else quietly move on. From the girls I've met there most of them started out at other establishments (Rio, Dubai etc) and are seasoned pros. That doesn't mean that some of them aren't actually nice people it just means that they expect you to understand the rules of the game. If she looks at you once: you're on. If she looks at you twice she's wondering why you haven't made a move. You don't get a third look, because she's already looking for someone else.

As a general rule, you can expect to pay around $200. The service will almost certainly be covered in all respects and no anal but these rules become more flexible if you see the girl a few times. The price can also depend very much on how you look and behave. Several girls have proposed $150 to me straight off simply because they didn't want to go home with one of the sleaze bags that was circling. These are working girls but they're not so desperate that they won't knock off $50 to go home with someone they half like. If it's Mr Disgusting or nothing then they'll take Mr Disgusting but they earn enough not to have to leave with the guy that offers the most.

One word of warning the restaurant is seriously expensive and the foods not that good.

[LuisVega11]

Surprised to hear of your experiences in Budhha Bar. Was there last night and took home a really attractive MILF ($250 battered down from $400) who spoke excellent English and was really good company. Granted her tits had begun to sag a little and she had put on a few pounds but a really attractive woman nevertheless and a great (covered) shag; I'm taking her out for supper tonight.

I've been to Buddha Bar on at least four occasions over the last year and I've always left with something worthwhile. The demographic is generally older than Skybar or other such establishments but I've always found a gaggle of women (aged 25 +) to choose from. It's also really easy and comparatively cheap to negotiate around. You just go up to the bar order a cocktail (150 UAH) and survey what's on offer. I speak no Russian but am always suitably suited and booted and have almost always got my first choice. As a word of advice and one that applies to all such establishments: never hesitate. If you see something you like go straight up to her and say Hello, ask her name and offer to buy her a drink. Within moments she will mention her price and then you can gently bargain her down. Be polite and once she's reached her final offer take it or else quietly move on. From the girls I've met there most of them started out at other establishments (Rio, Dubai etc) and are seasoned pros..Well my point.

Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.

Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.

If she can or cannot accept the gift.

Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.

I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.

I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not.

She told me some foreign give her 400 500 dollar for night! Once she met a man and next days bought an iPhone 7! Another time I remember I met one nice girl. She was alone in McDonald. I sit near her and she was waiting another girl. The other arrived, and I saw she was quite different, kind of foxy girls. We spend time together in a coffee and suddenly she went to bathroom. Then she come back, and told us that there was an old friend downstairs. End of story she disappeared to first floor with the other girl. I paid and went out, they were sitting with two Turkish men. The girl I met first looked me very sad.

Morning hours the nice girl message me through viber, she told me that she went bad alone but her friend went with those men for sex. She told me that the girl do this every weekend and she likes money. And she told me that that night she collect a mac-book pro and 1000 dollar. So I wrote her I didn't believe at all. And she forwarded me a photo her friend sent her before. A macbook pro, like mine, and 10 pieces of 100 dollar.


End of story.

- don't overpay normal girl.

- being a ***** is morally acceptable in Ukraine.

[Vitrea]

Well my point.

Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.

Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.

If she can or cannot accept the gift.

Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.

I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.

I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not.

She told me some foreign give her 400 500 dollar for night! Once she met a man and next days bought an iPhone 7! Another time I remember I met one nice girl. She was alone in McDonald. I sit near her and she was waiting another girl. The other arrived, and I saw she was quite different, kind of foxy girls. We spend time together in a coffee and suddenly she went to bathroom. Then she come back, and told us that there was an old friend downstairs. End of story she disappeared to first floor with the other girl. I paid and went out, they were sitting with two Turkish men. The girl I met first looked me very sad.

Morning hours the nice girl message me through viber, she told me that she went bad alone but her friend went with those men for sex. She told me that the girl do this every weekend and she likes money. And she told me that that night she collect a mac-book pro and 1000 dollar. So I wrote her I didn't believe at all. And she forwarded me a photo her friend sent her before. A macbook pro, like mine, and 10 pieces of 100 dollar.


End of story.

- don't overpay normal girl.

- being a ***** is morally acceptable in Ukraine.Excellent summary. Thank you.

Can me tell me how old do you look, fit / average / chubby and your ethnicity?

I am asking because I am guessing that they play a major part for your street game. Correct me if I am wrong.

I am 5' 8", 170 lbs and I consider myself a 7 in looks and look latino.

Thanks.

[SgtBoyle2]

Well my point.

Paying a MILF in Kiev 200 dollar, and from what I read she is not so beautiful, well we cannot complaint if Kiev is becoming expensive.

Really if you stroll around Kiev and offer 200 to good looking woman of 30-35, I think a lot will accept, sure you must direct proposition to woman that look interested, but after a bit ion chat you will understand.

If she can or cannot accept the gift.

Kiev is not for this place for mongering in club. I understand if you come for work and have some cash free, but if you come for pussy and end in Buddha really follow the message to go other sites, not only you will get low quality for high price.

I remember once I was in an hotel, the Bratislava, just first night to wait for my apartment next days, there was a MILF, pretty normal, she asked 150 dollar! I have fucked pussy of 18 for 800 gryvan in past, even less, and quality is always super good. In Kiev if you don't do homework, or not have a solid days game and street approach is totally a waste of time.

I have a friend who work as ***** as she like to tell to anybody, who she like me as person, never asked me anything. I like her as person, funny and sweet, and she is not a real beauty. It can be sexy maybe, but well beauty not..Luis,

I accept your points of course and yes I do come to Kiev with more cash than time. However, I took the lady I mentioned in my report out to dinner last night. She was perfectly dressed and looked stunning a true 9/10. Granted her grading and indeed her tits fell when she took her off clothes but she was still a 7/8 and that's what you have to expect with most MILFs.

We had a great evening filled with really intelligent conversation. She is not just a * as you put it she is also an interesting professional lady. After supper we managed some real passion and, as I predicted, the experience was no longer entirely covered. We are planning to meet next month in Budapest.

Yes, Buddha Bar is a "box of chocolates" (apologies to Forrest Gump) but it is still part of the mongering scene in Kiev. I'm sure you and others with time and Game have had girls for a few hundred hryvnia but for those of us with less experience you won't get much for less than $150/100.

Everyone's Kiev is different.

[StanBob]

Will be in Kiev in a couple weeks. If it sucks which country (s) should be my escape back-up for non-pro & semis?

Romania.

Hungary.

Poland.

Kosovo.

Macedonia.

Belarus.

Latvia.

Lithuania.

Estonia.

Croatia.

Montenegro.

Bosnia.

Czech.

Slovakia.

Slovenia.

Moldova.

Bulgaria.

Serbia.

Albania.

[LuisVega11]

Excellent summary. Thank you.

Can me tell me how old do you look, fit / average / chubby and your ethnicity?

I am asking because I am guessing that they play a major part for your street game. Correct me if I am wrong.

I am 5' 8", 170 lbs and I consider myself a 7 in looks and look latino.

Thanks.I'm now 38. 190 89 kg, I think fit and look mediterranean.

I'm still getting old for 18-20 normal girl, but still can find some. More 24-26 I'd say.

[Vitrea]

I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.

My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.

Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?

Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.


Finally some sense -.

Tourists. Avoid Ukraine all together -.

Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Bhudda Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba / They are Overrated, Overpiced, Over-hyped, Shit.

If you speak Russian and stay in Ukraine, then you can get some pussy from a 7/10 / Great. The 9/10 and 10/10 are not available to anyone on this board. If they were, we would read the reports about them. We don't.

If you has access to Europe, Go to Spain, Germany, Austria and Switzerland and fuck the brains out as many EE Women as you want in a nice country, instead of Ukraine which is the scam capital of Europe.

Good luck.

[MagicSheep74]

I am writing here because you don't have PM. You also advised me in another post that go to Switzerland as back up.

My issue with western Europe (out side of FKK) is lack of much day time take out action.

Is there any daytime action in Switzerland? Spain?

Ukraine still is tempting to many guys because of variety of 24/7 options and greater chance of encounters with semi pros.Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.

I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.

But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.

Cheers.

[Harry Hardman]

I second that!

"Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results. ".

You'll just end up wasting time, wasting money on accommodation, and etc!


Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

[Vitrea]

Yes, Well Club Globe in Zurich is open at 11 am - 2 am, so there is plenty of daytime action inside. There is a huge numbers of clubs in Spain with action starting inside at 5 pm until 4 am. But then again, this is all indoor action.

I have taken a girl out from both clubs, but the cost of high.

I armed myself before I went to Kiev by building up contacts on Tinder, Mambu and Ukrainedate. I met 2 girls off Tinder and one off Mamba, but overall it was a very disappointing experience. The girls looked nowhere near as nice as they highly photoshopped profile pics online. So essentially you are sitting across from a 6 are 7/10 who speaks 10 words of English.

Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, you could try pounding the streets asking girl out, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results.

If it was me, I would just go to Zurich, spend the whole day in Globe fucking pretty high quality girls in a comfortable environment. Then at night after dinner about 10 pm walk into / www.clubaphrodisia.ch.

Where you can always find a legitimate 9/10 or better.

It depends what you after mate, Kiev is an interesting city and worth a visit. If you after Non-Pros and Semi Pros, I can't help to must. I guess you dating app like Tinder could help.

But if you are want to fuck many nice girls in a nice environment from afternoon onwards, then I can tell you exactly where to go and how much it will cost you.

Cheers.Thank you. You summed it up nicely. Kudos.

My style of mongering is this: Have a mid day with +/- early evening short session romps in my apartment. Then dinner with friends and close the night with 2-3 hour session in my apartment.

I go to Colombia, once a week every two months and I do this everyday for 6 days with girl quality of 7's and 8's with a very rare 9.

For me there is something special about a nicely dressed and fresh smelling girl come knock on your door, have a drink, listen to some music, light massage and end it with a nice fuck in your own bed.

I was hoping to that in Kiev.

I know I can't do that in Switzerland. Probably not even in Spain.

[Volpone]

I second that!

"Kiev is just not a monger friendly destination anymore. Those day are long gone, but unless you speak Russian and have money falling out of your pockets if would not be produce many worthy results. ".

You'll just end up wasting time, wasting money on accommodation, and etc!Well said. Except for those who have some older contacts, that still agree to come for the usual price, It's hard to get decent prices now in Kiev and for 20-30 minutes sex, much better to go to Germany, Austria, Spain or Greece.

[MagicSheep74]

Thank you. You summed it up nicely. Kudos.

My style of mongering is this: Have a mid day with +/- early evening short session romps in my apartment. Then dinner with friends and close the night with 2-3 hour session in my apartment.

I go to Colombia, once a week every two months and I do this everyday for 6 days with girl quality of 7's and 8's with a very rare 9.

For me there is something special about a nicely dressed and fresh smelling girl come knock on your door, have a drink, listen to some music, light massage and end it with a nice fuck in your own bed.

I was hoping to that in Kiev.

I know I can't do that in Switzerland. Probably not even in Spain.I understand what you mean.

You could try the Gia Escort Kiev, they will happily send you a decent looking girl to your Apartment / Hotel.

Or you could walk into Rio Strip Club and take a girl back to your hotel for $300. Is it worth it financially? NO, but it's easy.

But please do not expect anything like Colombia. South Americans girls in general tend to provide a better service and are much more fun people.

For getting independents around to your accommodation I would thoroughly recommend Barcelona / Spain as a destination.

Use this site- www.girlsbcn.net , and you find many good looking Latin and EE girls who will be happily to entertain.

If you still feel you must try Ukraine, set you sights real low and you will maybe be lucky enough to be pleasantly surprised. For me personally, Kiev is just a lot of hard work with very little pay off. My personal time is precious so I prefer cities that are already set up for a easy and efficient mongering experience.

Cheers.

[CallSign Papa]

To many of us, Kiev will always be a special, somewhat magical city. I cannot describe the fun, craziness and excitement this city have generously provided. For those of us lucky enough to visit 10+ years ago, it was a wonderland of beautiful girls available at silly prices.

But, reading back through the last 30 pages of this thread, there is one common theme "KIEV ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE! " And it isn't and probably never will be again.

For many reasons, most of which probably won't change, the prices have gone up, the talent has evaporated and without conversational Russian and a contact network, it just isn't a place to visit if you expect easy hookups at affordable prices.

So I propose this:

1) Let's all assume and understand that the Kiev of today is the Kiev of today. Comparisons to its past glories are irrelevant and valueless to mongers visiting now.

2) Treat Kiev fairly, as it sits within the global P4 P market, and judge it based on the prices available today, not on what used to be.

3) Listen more to those that have travelled there recently (or live there now) rather than guys who crap on Kiev because its heyday has past. Hell, even I've not been there since September 16.

Otherwise this thread is just going to disappear up its own arse offering little in the way of commendable advice to people genuinely interested in travelling there.

[Irish Lad]

To many of us, Kiev will always be a special, somewhat magical city. I cannot describe the fun, craziness and excitement this city have generously provided. For those of us lucky enough to visit 10+ years ago, it was a wonderland of beautiful girls available at silly prices.

But, reading back through the last 30 pages of this thread, there is one common theme "KIEV ISN'T WHAT IT USED TO BE! " And it isn't and probably never will be again.

For many reasons, most of which probably won't change, the prices have gone up, the talent has evaporated and without conversational Russian and a contact network, it just isn't a place to visit if you expect easy hookups at affordable prices.

So I propose this:

1) Let's all assume and understand that the Kiev of today is the Kiev of today. Comparisons to its past glories are irrelevant and valueless to mongers visiting now.

2) Treat Kiev fairly, as it sits within the global P4 P market, and judge it based on the prices available today, not on what used to be.

3) Listen more to those that have travelled there recently (or live there now) rather than guys who crap on Kiev because its heyday has past. Hell, even I've not been there since September 16.

Otherwise this thread is just going to disappear up its own arse offering little in the way of commendable advice to people genuinely interested in travelling there.I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.

For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

For users of Mamba, some tips:

1. Go VIP.

2. Change your location to Kiev 7 days before your arrival.

3. Line up 10 - 20 meetings for the duration of your stay.

4. Don't bother bullshitting about your aims. Say you are here for business reasons and need some female company in between meetings.

Usual rates are 1,500 - 2,000 for an hour, 2,500 - 3,000 for the night. Anything else is too much.

For clubbers:

The scene changes often as new clubs open. Try Chi for normal people. Avoid Buddha bar. If you have game go outside the box and try somewhere like Forsage. You'll not go home alone.

[LesPaul80]

I once had a GF in Kiev (almost 10 years ago now). And now they started with direct flights from my city for very cheap money. So I will start going there because I really love the hunt. And from reading the forum I reckon it's still the hunt even though many complain it's too hard hunting grounds for everyone to reap "models", whatever that word means.

My first trip will be in some weeks. So I already started what now seems to be mandatory: Mamba + Tinder, but also added Seeking Arrangement to the mix for more variety.

For comparison I'm in my mid 30ies Swede looking like a hipster with beard. Without beard I look 10 years younger. Been elite training when young but now kinda average build but broad and strong shoulders, back and arms. Also very dominant in nature. But got good sense of humor usually in most settings.

So far I found several contacts on all 3 platforms. Everyone, even the really high end girls (obvious Dubai riders with all handbags in the world), kinda quickly want to switch over to Whatsapp. Some are typically stale and few worded as noted in the forum before.

I quickly learned to not talk too colorful and more simple direct sentences. Basically only two different archetypes that I reckon: The bubbly girl that talks a lot using smileys. The firm angry ones using mostly yes / no and smileys only after hours of chatting. Like they need to break the ice before getting personal.

From the current contacts the ones being 18-20 years are more toward the bubbly side while older (25-30) seem to be the hard silent type.

Most things that have been said about how the Ukrainian girls are see true. I never remember my girlfriend being like that. But she worked for a international company and earned good euros herself. So a bit different in comparison to most women in Ukraine that I can reach on these sites.

Mentioning money or meeting them too fast seems indeed not a good idea. Most girls seem, so far, to look for something serious. At least that is how they behave. And I think having a relaxed way and normal date-hunting-with-quick-reward is the way to go where you need to put up some support sooner or later. Works fine for me. But the result needs to show itself first.

I'm going to report back of my adventure that's upcoming. Also supply pictures of the ladies I've started talking with but censor them accordingly. And only put them up after I'm done since others can potentially find them on said sites while I'm there.

But pics (even a bit censored for her sake) is important for others to measure. Scales and numbers are useless in a relative world.

Looking forward to write a review on my take on Kiev now 10 years later.

[Vitrea]

Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.


I understand what you mean.

You could try the Gia Escort Kiev, they will happily send you a decent looking girl to your Apartment / Hotel.

Or you could walk into Rio Strip Club and take a girl back to your hotel for $300. Is it worth it financially? NO, but it's easy.

But please do not expect anything like Colombia. South Americans girls in general tend to provide a better service and are much more fun people.

For getting independents around to your accommodation I would thoroughly recommend Barcelona / Spain as a destination.

Use this site- www.girlsbcn.net , and you find many good looking Latin and EE girls who will be happily to entertain.

If you still feel you must try Ukraine, set you sights real low and you will maybe be lucky enough to be pleasantly surprised. For me personally, Kiev is just a lot of hard work with very little pay off. My personal time is precious so I prefer cities that are already set up for a easy and efficient mongering experience.

Cheers.

[Muddy7]

Rio girls were 3 hours for $300.

Before you pay them you need to tell them $300 for 3 hours, otherwise they will leave sooner so they can return to the club for more clients.


Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.

[MagicSheep74]

Thank you for your candid but balanced opinion.

I will checked out bcngirls. The ones I like are $200 euros plus for one hour. Not a major issue as I am only mongering for few days but on the same token $300 USD for two hours from Rio does not seem bad.

You guys know if Rio girls stay for two shots and at least 2,5 hours or bail after one pop? I am sure some of it depends on the girl but I am asking what is the norm, if there is even one.

I know GIA girls are on a strict clock.

Trying to make some local contacts and screen some independents from intimgirls and topmodels and cross reference with Kiev-x reviews but that is not easy.Hi mate,

I sampled Rio on 2 occasions over a 7 days period. I asked the manager specifically if he could point out any girls that spoke English, which he happily did.

I took one girl for a private dance first just to check out the goods, then asked her to join me for a drink. After establishing some chemistry I asked if she was available for outcall.

The first girl I took out left with me at 1 am and returned to the club for 5 am after multiple shots.

The second girl and I left around 12 and she woke up in my hotel bed at 8 am the next day in a complete panic, haha. I think the girls are supposed to get back to the club for closing time.

Of course it's a tourist trap and $300 is a dreadful price, but to be honest it was one of the only places I actually had a good laugh in Kiev.

I would advise you to have a couple of drinks with the girl first before putting out 300 bucks. The last you want is to get back to your apartment / hotel to discover she is a emotionless Ukrainian robot.

I wish you luck with your trip, if you have not yet booked your hotel, I would definitely recommend the ' 11 Mirrors Design Hotel, next door to Rio. It was pretty cool.

Cheers.

[Muddy7]

As am mentioned I had very little success in Arena, Shooter, Caribbean Club, Buddha Bar, Rio, Gia, Mamba etc.

So 3 days into my 5 days trip I started to use Tinder, it proved a little more successful. I received about 20 Matches in in about 24 hours, and specifically targeted a beautiful blond named Maria.

s.What's the link for Tinder and travel clubs?

[Muddy7]

What the hell are you doing in this Rio Club.

Everybody of the Rio stuff is laughing about the tourists.

Who are paying the Rio prices for a low service.

Rio is a place for crazy and silly tourists.I agree, for that price they should at least provide bareback blow job.

[MagicSheep74]

What's the link for Tinder and travel clubs?Tinder is a dating App you download to your phone. If a person is going to Kiev, change you location to Kiev one week before you go and start making contacts. It's more geared towards girls that are looking for a LTR.

www.travelgirls.com is a site, for girls looking to meet guys for holidays paid for by the man. But you can also search on girls solely based in Kiev and tell them you would like to visit them when there.

I met one girl from of each of the above and it proved a decent evening.

[Vitrea]

Magicsheep74, thank you again for continued excellent advice. If the girl is 8 + and gives good service, two pops and stays for 3 hours, I will gladly pay $300.

Muddy, Thanks for the Rio price advice.

Ramsstein2, My friend. I am silly tourist. I am a silly tourist in most places I visit. I am not and can't be a local in all the places I monger. I monger at too many places for that to be practical. Ha ha.

[TickerFlick]

I once had a GF in Kiev (almost 10 years ago now). And now they started with direct flights from my city for very cheap money. So I will start going there because I really love the hunt. And from reading the forum I reckon it's still the hunt even though many complain it's too hard hunting grounds for everyone to reap "models", whatever that word means.

My first trip will be in some weeks. So I already started what now seems to be mandatory: Mamba + Tinder, but also added Seeking Arrangement to the mix for more variety.

For comparison I'm in my mid 30ies Swede looking like a hipster with beard. Without beard I look 10 years younger. Been elite training when young but now kinda average build but broad and strong shoulders, back and arms. Also very dominant in nature. But got good sense of humor usually in most settings.

So far I found several contacts on all 3 platforms. Everyone, even the really high end girls (obvious Dubai riders with all handbags in the world), kinda quickly want to switch over to Whatsapp. Some are typically stale and few worded as noted in the forum before.

I quickly learned to not talk too colorful and more simple direct sentences. Basically only two different archetypes that I reckon: The bubbly girl that talks a lot using smileys. The firm angry ones using mostly yes / no and smileys only after hours of chatting. Like they need to break the ice before getting personal.

From the current contacts the ones being 18-20 years are more toward the bubbly side while older (25-30) seem to be the hard silent type...Hello LesPaul,

I really like your post, thoughtful. I am a also a Swede that been to Kiev and consider to return there. Looking forward to read more, perhaps we could exchange some info?

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[Tomek123]

I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.

For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

Agree. The economic situation is now very bad. The crisis in Ukraine has no analogues. It can only be compared with the crisis of the early 1990's. For many women it is now a difficult choice-to spread legs for the sake of money or not. This is a difficult choice. Find a sponsor among Ukrainians is now very difficult. The reason is trivial, Many Ukrainian guys no longer have money. The level of income fell. Ukrainian girls have always been looking for not a poor guy. Sometimes they had a young guy and at the same time another guy 40-45 years old with a big Lexus and a thick wallet. They still have not dried the sperm on their lips but they jumped out of the Lexus fled on a date with their young boyfriend. I knew the local no poor guys who had wonderful mistresses. In the morning she sucked a dick of her 40 years sponsor and swallowed his sperm, and after a few hours she went to the cinema with her boyfriend and friends. It was a normal and massive phenomenon in Ukraine. Many girls lived such a double life. Many live and now.

But then there was Maidan and the crisis. A lot of guys lost their business.

Many guys with money left Ukraine. For many girls it became a serious test now.

P.S. Tanya (my friend) do BBBJ and a little photo of the ukrainian street.

[BobSmith1]

I just briefly checked the rental car price its the same price as US. Still like $25 to $60 a day. Monthly car remtel is more expensive than apartment rental. Maybe I'm checking the wrong place. Any guys know where to rent a car cheap in Kiev? I was there last Nov and Uber can be ordered easily in Kiev but not in Kharkov. Damn Uber is so cheap I don't even know how do people making a living driving Uber there. My trip to KBP from my apartment (a good 15 to 20 min) is like 80 UAH like what $3.5 or less. Their gas price is $3.75/ gal and it's more expensive than San Francisco. How do they live with that?

Yes I do understand that taking Uber is much better idea than renting a car because it's a lot cheaper. But I just want to drive myself sometime. Kharkov they use Uklon, some driver speak English some don't but I'm sure you can find one that does. But still I want to drive myself. I want to drive from Kiev to Kharkov so I can take a look at the deep villages. I took bus last time, it took me like 7 hrs to get there.

[BobSmith1]

I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.

For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

Agree. The economic situation is now very bad. The crisis in Ukraine has no analogues. It can only be compared with the crisis of the early 1990's. For many women it is now a difficult choice-to spread legs for the sake of money or not. This is a difficult choice. Find a sponsor among Ukrainians is now very difficult. The reason is trivial, Many Ukrainian guys no longer have money. The level of income fell. Ukrainian girls have always been looking for not a poor guy. Sometimes they had a young guy and at the same time another guy 40-45 years old with a big Lexus and a thick wallet. They still have not dried the sperm on their lips but they jumped out of the Lexus fled on a date with their young boyfriend...I will go again this year Kiev to Kharkov.

[Muddy7]

EU parliament votes for visa-free travel for Ukraine.

[Volpone]

I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.

For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

Agree. The economic situation is now very bad. The crisis in Ukraine has no analogues. It can only be compared with the crisis of the early 1990's. For many women it is now a difficult choice-to spread legs for the sake of money or not. This is a difficult choice. Find a sponsor among Ukrainians is now very difficult. The reason is trivial, Many Ukrainian guys no longer have money. The level of income fell. Ukrainian girls have always been looking for not a poor guy. Sometimes they had a young guy and at the same time another guy 40-45 years old with a big Lexus and a thick wallet. They still have not dried the sperm on their lips but they jumped out of the Lexus fled on a date with their young boyfriend. I knew the local no poor guys who had wonderful mistresses. In the morning she sucked a dick of her 40 years sponsor and swallowed his sperm, and after a few hours she went to the cinema with her boyfriend and friends. It was a normal and massive phenomenon in Ukraine. Many girls lived such a double life. Many live and now.

But then there was Maidan and the crisis. A lot of guys lost their business.

Many guys with money left Ukraine. For many girls it became a serious test now.
Some true in this report and some wrong conclusions. Just have a look at my reports at the end of last year.

About Mamba, prices have rised (They have never been as high as now, 100 $ or euro for one hour and even the 5-6 might ask you this price) and Mamba it's full of pros. That wasn't like that before, I mean one year ago.

Still enough sponsors in Kiev as there are still quite many young pretty Ukrainian guys quite loaded (My ex-girlfriend told me that many RICH PEOPLE live in Kiev, I don't know, that's the opinion of someone living in Kiev) and if a girl does not have one sponsor, she can just fly to some Arabic countries where she can get lots of money either by staying with one guy or just selling her body there instead of Kiev.

Salaries are right, but even lower 100-300 $ for many jobs.

In the 1990-2000 girls in Kiev could not fly easily to some other countries, now they can and they can earn money there, so no need to waste their time with foreigners in Kiev. So their situation is not like before. Furthermore more male tourists are in Kiev than in 2000 and these guys don't mind paying 100-200 $ or more for 1 hour sex.

[Irish Lad]

Some true in this report and some wrong conclusions. Just have a look at my reports at the end of last year.

About Mamba, prices have rised (They have never been as high as now, 100 $ or euro for one hour and even the 5-6 might ask you this price) and Mamba it's full of pros. That wasn't like that before, I mean one year ago.

Still enough sponsors in Kiev as there are still quite many young pretty Ukrainian guys quite loaded (My ex-girlfriend told me that many RICH PEOPLE live in Kiev, I don't know, that's the opinion of someone living in Kiev) and if a girl does not have one sponsor, she can just fly to some Arabic countries where she can get lots of money either by staying with one guy or just selling her body there instead of Kiev.

Salaries are right, but even lower 100-300 $ for many jobs.

In the 1990-2000 girls in Kiev could not fly easily to some other countries, now they can and they can earn money there, so no need to waste their time with foreigners in Kiev. So their situation is not like before. Furthermore more male tourists are in Kiev than in 2000 and these guys don't mind paying 100-200 $ or more for 1 hour sex.The post you quoted is a hybrid of mine and another one but here goes:

Sure, some girls are asking $300 on Mamba and this is because of the Ukrainian economic mentality. If fewer customers, charge more. This happens all the time in restaurants here and leads to their closing up. However, using "outliers" like that doesn't reflect the general trend. Mamba is much more full of pros now due to the economic situation rather than any increase in demand.

Many rich people live in Kiev and always have, but that higher tier is not accessible to many girls. I know of one rich man who pays $1,000 a night for girls but they must be exactly the type he likes, tall and very skinny and girls go on diets to meet that.

Not all girls consider sponsorship as prostitution so flying off to an Arabic country would not be for them.

[Biagio]

The post you quoted is a hybrid of mine and another one but here goes:

Sure, some girls are asking $300 on Mamba and this is because of the Ukrainian economic mentality. If fewer customers, charge more. This happens all the time in restaurants here and leads to their closing up. However, using "outliers" like that doesn't reflect the general trend. Mamba is much more full of pros now due to the economic situation rather than any increase in demand.

Many rich people live in Kiev and always have, but that higher tier is not accessible to many girls. I know of one rich man who pays $1,000 a night for girls but they must be exactly the type he likes, tall and very skinny and girls go on diets to meet that.

Not all girls consider sponsorship as prostitution so flying off to an Arabic country would not be for them.I know a guy paid $20,000. 00 a night for a girl, not girls. Rich people spend much more than $1,000 a night just on a hotel suite, i.e. presidential suite.

$1,000 a night for girls is not rich people, just people who's willing to spend more money than most people on girls. That's all.

Lots of young Turks and Arabs easily offer 500$/ euros a night for young pretty girls about 7 on looks, especially blond blue eyes. I knew several such girls.

Easy mongering in Kiev today is only for locals(who can get a lower rate) and for people(foreigners) who is willing to spend 100 $, 200 $ or 300 $ an hour or two.
$100 an hour most likely will get you only a 6 or 7 or girls from an agency.

Everyone else will have a hard time finding attractive young girls at yester year prices.

Only easy option for the new mongers to Kiev is to go to private flats(where you should be careful, not to get robbed or cheated and where you can get even ridiculously low prices but don't expect any quality)

[Irish Lad]

I know a guy paid $20,000. 00 a night for a girl, not girls. Rich people spend much more than $1,000 a night just on a hotel suite, i.e. presidential suite.

$1,000 a night for girls is not rich people, just people who's willing to spend more money than most people on girls. That's all.

Lots of young Turks and Arabs easily offer 500$/ euros a night for young pretty girls about 7 on looks, especially blond blue eyes. I knew several such girls.

Easy mongering in Kiev today is only for locals(who can get a lower rate) and for people(foreigners) who is willing to spend 100 $, 200 $ or 300 $ an hour or two.
$100 an hour most likely will get you only a 6 or 7 or girls from an agency.

Everyone else will have a hard time finding attractive young girls at yester year prices.

Only easy option for the new mongers to Kiev is to go to private flats(where you should be careful, not to get robbed or cheated and where you can get even ridiculously low prices but don't expect any quality)What is your point? If you're correcting me on something then read my report. I said "I know of one rich man who pays $1,000 a night" and not I know a man who pays $1,000 which means he is rich. And why are you using "outliers" to make your point? Sure, there are people who pay $300 an hour but there's no need to do so.

Private apartments from 700 uah and sometimes some not bad girls there. I had one next to where I live and 50% of the girls were fine.

[Tomek123]

It's all obvious. This market. If there were not these Arab or Turkish or European guys with 300-500 dollars then the girls would have to suck dicks for $ 40. This market. For many Turkish guys, ukraine is attractive because there is no need for a visa. You can go from Ankara to FKKClub Oasis in Berlin, but you need a Schengen visa. It's a problem. Ukraine is 7 million young women and does not need a visa. It's just. Bought a ticket for the plane and you are in Odessa or Kiev. So for the Turkish guys Ukraine is the country of their pollutions and fantasies.

My friend Polish friend was in Istanbul and went to nightclubs. He was just shocked by the huge number of beautiful Ukrainian girls in several clubs.

It seems that I was in Odessa or Kharkov.

What can I advise? If you earn well and $ 200-300 for you is normal, then Kiev is a good place for you. If you are such a guy like me, then it's better cities such as Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov. I love Kharkov. Turkey guys also really like Kharkov. It's cheaper. Many of those beautiful girls whom we fuck in Kiev-not kiewan girls. These girls came to Kiev to find their Ukrainian dream-husband, career, job, or sponsor. The price of gas for Ukrainians jumped into space. Many people can not pay that much for heating. There was a huge rise in price of gas and therefore all utilities-heating. I have a friend in Poltava. I fuck her sometimes. She told me that she can not pay for the new prices for heating and water and electricity. Her salary remained the same as before-3200, but the payment for heating and other services grew 2. 5 times. She lives alone without husband and have little child. The owners of housing have raised rental prices, and all these girls do not have their own housing in Kiev. They usually rent housing.

Accordingly, they are forced to demand a higher price to be able to live in Kiev.

How much did the bread cost when we fucked these girls at old prices? A year ago, bread cost 5-6 hryvnia. And how much now? Now it is 9-10 UAH!

All food became more expensive. But the most important thing is the utilities for housing. It is a payment for gas and heating. Heating in an apartment with one room in Poltava year ago it cost about 700 hryvnia in the winter. Now it is about 1600 hryvnia!! And this is only heating! The main reason is the rise in gas prices and as a consequence the rise in prices for all food products. In Ukraine everything is tied to gas prices. Expensive gas-expensive housing and expensive life.

[Jojosun]

EU parliament votes for visa-free travel for Ukraine.A mad rush to get Passports; Ukraine's passport website crashes after EU votes for visa-free travel.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/788652/Ukraine-visa-free-travel-Europe-European-Union

I posted here back in 2010 that Ukraine will get Visa Free status within few years as a first step before joining the EU. 2010 was also the year when River Palace closed.

Few Kiev Veterans at the time said, it won't happen re Visa Free.

For future sex with UA girls overseas. The biggest winners will be Germany and Spain when UA joins the EU.

[BobSmith1]

I know a guy paid $20,000. 00 a night for a girl, not girls. Rich people spend much more than $1,000 a night just on a hotel suite, i.e. presidential suite.

$1,000 a night for girls is not rich people, just people who's willing to spend more money than most people on girls. That's all.

Lots of young Turks and Arabs easily offer 500$/ euros a night for young pretty girls about 7 on looks, especially blond blue eyes. I knew several such girls.

Easy mongering in Kiev today is only for locals(who can get a lower rate) and for people(foreigners) who is willing to spend 100 $, 200 $ or 300 $ an hour or two.
$100 an hour most likely will get you only a 6 or 7 or girls from an agency.

Everyone else will have a hard time finding attractive young girls at yester year prices.

Only easy option for the new mongers to Kiev is to go to private flats(where you should be careful, not to get robbed or cheated and where you can get even ridiculously low prices but don't expect any quality)Yea damn sounds like a very tough competition there now. What about other cities than Kiev. Kharkov, Poltava and etc not so well known cities? Middle E and Arab got so much $$$ to throw now? Or they always got that kind of money to throw?

[YellowPaul]

A mad rush to get Passports; Ukraine's passport website crashes after EU votes for visa-free travel.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/788652/Ukraine-visa-free-travel-Europe-European-Union

I posted here back in 2010 that Ukraine will get Visa Free status within few years as a first step before joining the EU. 2010 was also the year when River Palace closed.

Few Kiev Veterans at the time said, it won't happen re Visa Free.

For future sex with UA girls overseas. The biggest winners will be Germany and Spain when UA joins the EU.If it's a bio-metric passport which is likely won't make much difference.

Just to give you a idea Canada where I live allows Polish passport holders visa free access but only 5%-10% of population has them. I doubt Ukraine is at the stage where they are even issuing these new updated passports yet.

[GDreams]

If it's a bio-metric passport which is likely won't make much difference.

Just to give you a idea Canada where I live allows Polish passport holders visa free access but only 5%-10% of population has them. I doubt Ukraine is at the stage where they are even issuing these new updated passports yet.The Ukrainian biometric passport will cost UAH 561. Issuance of the passport through standard procedure takes 20 days. Accelerated procedure – 7 days – the passport is prepared at the rate of double tax and registration services, by the same cost of the blank form and amounts UAH 818.

If a person has no time to prepare the documents for the passport, he or she can apply to one of the 18 branches of Document State Enterprise. A fixed price for their services is set and it does not exceed UAH 353. Thus, the maximum price for the new biometric passport is 818 + 353 = 1171 UAH.

It's not that difficult or expensive to get a passport. If they want to go to Europe then a biometric passport is no big issue to get.

[LesPaul80]

A mad rush to get Passports; Ukraine's passport website crashes after EU votes for visa-free travel.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/788652/Ukraine-visa-free-travel-Europe-European-Union

I posted here back in 2010 that Ukraine will get Visa Free status within few years as a first step before joining the EU. 2010 was also the year when River Palace closed.

Few Kiev Veterans at the time said, it won't happen re Visa Free.

For future sex with UA girls overseas. The biggest winners will be Germany and Spain when UA joins the EU."Short tourist and business visas".

Also it will cost at least 50 $ to get a passport that is valid. So no, it won't make the "doomsday of Ukraine" come tomorrow. Girls won't go for business, and short tourist trips will only make it easier for us hunters to get girls come and visit.

So I'm pretty happy with these changes. Will make the hunter world so much better now. Because personally I prefer having a girl come visit me.

[Jojosun]

If it's a bio-metric passport which is likely won't make much difference.

Just to give you a idea Canada where I live allows Polish passport holders visa free access but only 5%-10% of population has them. I doubt Ukraine is at the stage where they are even issuing these new updated passports yet.Hi Paul,

Here's an interesting link on the cost of such a passport. http://www.luganskukraine.info/cost-of-biometric-international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx.

"In Ukraine people have local passport used as main ID inside the country and if they need to travel abroad they need to get International Passport. It can be with a chip with biometric data about the person or without a chip. The cost of the passport is $45 if you want to make it fast and it will be ready in 7 working days. You can also get it cheaper for $35, the passport will be ready in 20 days".

$45/$35 for a 10 years passport doesn't sound too expensive even by UA Standards.

" Very often scammers from Ukraine ask a lot of money to make international passport to be able to travel abroad and they also say it's difficult. Now you know that it really doesn't cost much and can be made very fast. Here is a good article with more details about where to apply, how long it takes and what documents needed to make biometric passport in Ukraine:

Probably the second requirement for a a passport with a chip is the most difficult for many unless they can fiddle the tax return as well.

The list of documents required to apply for the International Passport of Ukraine. " The cost of International Passport in Ukraine. How to apply and how long it takes to get one".

1. Passport of Ukrainian citizen;.

2. Personal tax number. Tax payers identification code. Only original document issued by tax office;.

Application form;.

Here's another link http://ukraine-women-for-marriage.com/international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx.

[Jojosun]

I posted here back in 2010 that Ukraine will get Visa Free status within few years as a first step before joining the EU. 2010 was also the year when River Palace closed..Prices for girls at River Palace which was the number one for pros &semi pros were US $200/$300. Rio girls were $300.

There was no Gas crises at the the time and there weren't many Turks or Arabs from what I saw at the time.

US $ was about 8 UAH, now it's nearly 26.

I met many RP girls the following day, late afternoon early evening at my hotel and I paid happy hour price of $100 as I don't like late night sex and $100 is a fair price to pay for a beauty in Kiev.

[Vitrea]

Private apartments from 700 uah and sometimes some not bad girls there. I had one next to where I live and 50% of the girls were fine.I agree completely. During my visit last time, I had a model quality and a super cute 20 year old violinist, both 9's, from private apartments. Yes 60% are low quality but you only need a few gems.

[YellowPaul]

Hi Paul,

Here's an interesting link on the cost of such a passport. http://www.luganskukraine.info/cost-of-biometric-international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx.

"In Ukraine people have local passport used as main ID inside the country and if they need to travel abroad they need to get International Passport. It can be with a chip with biometric data about the person or without a chip. The cost of the passport is $45 if you want to make it fast and it will be ready in 7 working days. You can also get it cheaper for $35, the passport will be ready in 20 days".

$45/$35 for a 10 years passport doesn't sound too expensive even by UA Standards.

" Very often scammers from Ukraine ask a lot of money to make international passport to be able to travel abroad and they also say it's difficult. Now you know that it really doesn't cost much and can be made very fast. Here is a good article with more details about where to apply, how long it takes and what documents needed to make biometric passport in Ukraine:

Probably the second requirement for a a passport with a chip is the most difficult for many unless they can fiddle the tax return as well.

The list of documents required to apply for the International Passport of Ukraine. " The cost of International Passport in Ukraine. How to apply and how long it takes to get one".

1. Passport of Ukrainian citizen;.

2. Personal tax number. Tax payers identification code. Only original document issued by tax office;.

Application form;.

Here's another link http://ukraine-women-for-marriage.com/international-passport-in-ukraine.aspx.Jo. Thanks for all the useful information. I stand corrected.

The current rate then for a 1 year schengen visa and going the first time the through Lithuania. This will then all be eliminated then after June?

[Jojosun]

Jo. Thanks for all the useful information. I stand corrected.

The current rate then for a 1 year schengen visa and going the first time the through Lithuania. This will then all be eliminated then after June?As from next June they can travel to any country in the EU without getting a visa first.

Even back in 2009/2010 many girls were getting Schengen visas to the Czech Republic and Italy in Kiev after greasing the palms of few officials at the time.

Will send you the requested contacts in Minsk. Soon.

[Tomek123]

I agree. I fucked this MILF again (29 years) in winter, in Kiev. She takes the local guys in her apartment. It's not Charlize Theron or Angelina Jolie.

Yes. She is no longer young and has a few extra pounds on her body. But in my Poland I could not fuck such a woman for 25 $.

All in a condom but I did not hesitate in manifestations of my lust. I fucked her hard and aggressively as Pierre Woodman. With slaps on the ass and finished in good doggy style position. I even thought that she liked it. Ukrainian girls and women like hard aggressive sex in position name, rakom, (doggy position). They love the hard dominant male. Who experiences acute sexual hunger and wants to fuck them hard.

But in my Poland I could not fuck such a woman for 25 $. It would cost me probably $ 70 minimum and maybe 100.

[Horny Monger]

The post you quoted is a hybrid of mine and another one but here goes:

Sure, some girls are asking $300 on Mamba and this is because of the Ukrainian economic mentality. If fewer customers, charge more. This happens all the time in restaurants here and leads to their closing up. However, using "outliers" like that doesn't reflect the general trend. Mamba is much more full of pros now due to the economic situation rather than any increase in demand.

Many rich people live in Kiev and always have, but that higher tier is not accessible to many girls. I know of one rich man who pays $1,000 a night for girls but they must be exactly the type he likes, tall and very skinny and girls go on diets to meet that.

Not all girls consider sponsorship as prostitution so flying off to an Arabic country would not be for them.If I can find exactly my type, I'll pay 1000 $ a night for one girl)), not girls.

[Riina]

http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-girls-and-great-relaxation-awesome-european-massage-lombard-riverwoods/49303927

Hey guys,

I know it doesn't belong here, but we have something really good happening in my home city of Chicago. There is a talented Ukrainian pimp that's managed to pull ahead of the other Euro agencies with a core group of very loyal local Ukrainians. It's become so successful that Ua girls living in other states have actually moved here to work with her. It's not a typical agency, she's selective about the customers and it's created a culture where the girls are unusually eager to work. If you are in Chicago and have a car, it's an affordable mongering option that offers a very unique experience. I'm also mentioning this because if you know a Ukrainian girl in America that would like to sell her pussy and doesn't know where to go, you can now direct her to this lovely Ukrainian lady that has brought me so much fun.

You can read my reports on USG Chicago BP Reviews for a better feel of the agency. Fly in with UA, very customer friendly. LOL

[CherchezFemme]

Guys, I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.

[Jojosun]

Guys I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.http://amcenters.com/kyiv/ American Medical Centers Address: Berdychivska St, 1, Kyiv, Ukraine, 02000.

Phone: +380 44 490 7600.

8 am /8 pm Address: Berdychivska St, 1, Kyiv, Ukraine, 02000.

And here https://www.inyourpocket.com/kyiv/American-Medical-Centre_43226v..

http://amc.com.cy/en-us/

More info here as well. http://www.expatua.com/forum/index.php?topic=2091.0.

"I am guessing that the citizens can get tested for free. Personally, if it was my arm OR I wanted to be absolutely certain of the results, I would go to American Medical Center or EuroLAB for hygiene and security's sake. Then the report would be paid for by me and I would not have to wonder if it was doctored or purchased / made up."

The info above is still valid.

[Jojosun]

http://chicago.backpage.com/TherapeuticMassage/sweet-girls-and-great-relaxation-awesome-european-massage-lombard-riverwoods/49303927

Hey guys,

I know it doesn't belong here, but we have something really good happening in my home city of Chicago. There is a talented Ukrainian pimp that's managed to pull ahead of the other Euro agencies with a core group of very loyal local Ukrainians. It's become so successful that Ua girls living in other states have actually moved here to work with her. It's not a typical agency, she's selective about the customers and it's created a culture where the girls are unusually eager to work. If you are in Chicago and have a car, it's an affordable mongering option that offers a very unique experience. I'm also mentioning this because if you know a Ukrainian girl in America that would like to sell her pussy and doesn't know where to go, you can now direct her to this lovely Ukrainian lady that has brought me so much fun.

You can read my reports on USG Chicago BP Reviews for a better feel of the agency. Fly in with UA, very customer friendly. LOLThanks for your informative report.

Last year I met a very Mobile UA Madam at the Barge in Vegas, she told me she comes to Vegas every 3 or 4 months with 2 or 3 girls late 20's. Her girls were really top of the range, she was talking in the range of $400/$500 which wasn't bad for Vegas but not the price that I would pay.

She also goes to London and when there, she's usually found at Buddha Bar London but for top $$$ prices. The area is populated by very rich Russians and Gulf Arabs.

[Denizzz]

So as most of you are telling the $300 Rio takeout price is ridiculous, what are the other options where stripclubs do takeout?

I only know of Penthouse (the smaller one, not in Arena).

Red Lion did takeout, but doesn't anymore.

Is Rio the only one left doing takeout? I like stripclubs, but $300 is a bit too much, $150 like it was 2 years ago in Penthouse is do-able.

[CherchezFemme]

Thanks Jojosun, I actually found the only venereal specialist with an English site. Seems like everything is OK, hopefully this is the end of it.

[Guntherus]

Guys, I need some help! I thinK I caught something from a semi-pro. Where can I get tested in Kiev? Is there a clinic or can I go into a hospital? I'm a forum veteran with many posts and would appreciate a fast response. Spasibo.There was clinic in Shota rustaveli some years a go, expensive but English speaking and sent me results per email. A pro WG took me there upon my request, it's the place they go

[Deer1234]

I am struggling to get girls in Kiev.

Mamba: I called a dozen girls, among which two girls were nice and young. Some of the others were escort agencies. Escort-agency based girls were very boring (without foreplay, without oral without condom, finishing everything within 30 minutes) though they look good. The rest were worst: mothers with real photos but taken 5 or more years ago. They never feel guilty at all, but 5 years is as long as eternity.

Night clubs: is it possible to ask the floor staff to gather nice girls with whom I can negotiate? For example, in Caribbean club, I occasionally found nice-looking tall girls. While I try to talk to them on the dance floor, they disappear to somewhere upstair, where they quickly find their clients for the night.

[SgtBoyle2]

I am struggling to get girls in Kiev.

Mamba: I called a dozen girls, among which two girls were nice and young. Some of the others were escort agencies. Escort-agency based girls were very boring (without foreplay, without oral without condom, finishing everything within 30 minutes) though they look good. The rest were worst: mothers with real photos but taken 5 or more years ago. They never feel guilty at all, but 5 years is as long as eternity.

Night clubs: is it possible to ask the floor staff to gather nice girls with whom I can negotiate? For example, in Caribbean club, I occasionally found nice-looking tall girls. While I try to talk to them on the dance floor, they disappear to somewhere upstair, where they quickly find their clients for the night.As regards nightclubs I think you are adopting the wrong approach if your are trying to speak to girls who are dancing. The pros and semi pros hang around the bar they don't dance because they are working. If a girl is dancing for any length of time and so not just to attract attention then she probably wants to dance or else has already secured her client for the evening.

Just go to the bar in any of the usual spots and order a drink. If a girl looks at you for any length of time that's an invitation to come over. Some of the best looking girls may be a bit more disdainful but that is all part of the show and is just to put you on the back foot in terms of negotiations. A girl on her own in a bar is a pro, a girl with another girl is a probably a pro or semi pro. They tend to hunt in twos so that larger groups may well be just on a girls' night out.

However just because a girl is a semi pros doesn't mean she's going to go with anyone who offers her the right money. They are not like the girls in a salon (brothel). These girls are there because they've got to pay the bills but many of them are also looking for a nice evening and a man who will treat them nicely. Most of these girls will be immaculately dressed and as well as earning themselves circa $200 they would also appreciate a little glamour in their otherwise dull lives.

This is an important consideration because how you look and dress and how you behave may well effect how much you pay and whether they agree to go home with you at all. Never assume anything with these girls. Oh and don't expect the barman to help you as they pretend nothing is going on.

When you approach a girl keep it simple and be confident. Introduce yourself say where you're from and be as open as your circumstances permits. If she doesn't speak English you'll know immediately and you either reach for your translator on your phone or give up. If you like her then ask her if she wants a drink (150 hryvnia) or even just what she's drinking. Usually the girl will mention money first but if she doesn't just say something along the lines about helping her with her expenses.

Some members of this forum bargain like they are on the stock market floor but that's not my approach. In reality the range is usually somewhere between $150 -250 depending on the looks of the girl. If you get an opening bid of $400 just smile say she 's obviously worth it but that you both know that's too much. Judge your own bid carefully and if possible get her to bid against herself. What you're ultimately offered will depend on the girl's looks, how busy the bar is and the time of the evening. If it's late and the the competition is a bunch of sleaze balls then you might get a good offer.

Don't haggle. The negotiations should be over within a few minutes at the very most. If she won't budge and you don't like her enough then just smile and move on. She won't be offended and may even come back to at a later stage in the evening.

Also don't hesitate. If you see something you like go up to her immediately. If you like her then so will others: if you snooze you lose.

Some members insist on negotiating length of stay and services but that's not my approach and I suspect many of the girls I've met would be offended by such tactics: there are degrees of pros. I personally just say that I plan to get a drink or a bite to eat first and is that OK with her; it almost always is.

Frankly the services will almost certainly be covered on a first occasion but if you click with the girl and you get her phone number you can expect more with each subsequent visit. I've met a number of really lovely girls this way and they are friends as much as anything.

Oh and if you want some professional assistance you can pm me for Andrei's number but not all members of this forum are fans.

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[HunterDave]

As many have stated here, do your homework before you arrive in Kiev. I mine Mamba always, but a few weeks before going to Kiev I make a heavy effort to mine the interested girls for meetings. I am pretty much straight forward with what I look for and tell a girl to meet whose photos I like. I quickly move them to viber and or whatsapp. I tell them again point blank my personal desires and I tell them to send me other photos of them to confirm they are that girl in the mamba photos and also to determine if they work alone and NOT for an agency. If you practice and work them on viber, you can usually spot the agency girls. I was in Kiev last month and I had beaucoup and zwanzig girls lined up. Some days it is 2 girls and somedays there are 3. Double booking is allowed! I also compared notes with Irish Lad and we partied at Shooters for St Patty's Day and a Wednesday night.

However, if you are lazy, but still want to test the Kiev hot women waters, I did meet a girl while lunching with another business partner who runs a small travel agency. She and her female partner have added a Kiev Social / Marriage Club to their agency which in layman terms if I understand her brings the mountain to Mohammed. She said they are offering a special Social Club certain weekends (next one is in early June) for foreign men to meet hot ladies. The girl I met with for lunch had those green / hazel eyes and that long black slavic hair. Very hot! She says they offer a minimum of 1. 5+: 1 ratio (women to men) and try to changeout to new girls the 2nd night. They said the girls will be hot. Some look for good time and fun and others for more of a relationship and possible more (marriage? -her partner supposedly knows the Ukraine marriage procedures). The girl Vlada said they will offer are / t airport transfer, 2 night apartment in city center, walking and other tour of Kiev, 2 x private Hall setting for private group meeting between foreign men and girls (meet and greet), and 2 x semi-private gatherings at Kiev Clubs with private tables. Cost is high, but hell, to meet a large number of hotties I figure it is worth the chance. I plan to attend the June Social Club. She said cost is $1200 for the weekend, a bit steep, but if the other 20-25 girls look like Vlada, it will be worth going. If interested, their website is www.Ukrainedreamholiday.com you can give it a look.

[Poker Player 2]

Irish Lad,

A very warm welcome back to the forum. Your insight was certainly missed.

Best wishes!


I haven't been here (ISG) myself in over a year and surprised to see the number of negative reports.



For the last 3 years, Kiev has been under a cloud in many ways but the situation is just as good as always. Girls who wouldn't reply to my messages on Mamba 3 years ago are now writing to me. Salaries are in the $200 - $300 range and the number of sponsors has reduced in line with the economy. Foreigner numbers are lower than ever before and competition is almost gone.

For users of Mamba, some tips:

1. Go VIP.

2. Change your location to Kiev 7 days before your arrival.

3. Line up 10 - 20 meetings for the duration of your stay.

4. Don't bother bullshitting about your aims. Say you are here for business reasons and need some female company in between meetings.

Usual rates are 1,500 - 2,000 for an hour, 2,500 - 3,000 for the night. Anything else is too much.

For clubbers:

The scene changes often as new clubs open. Try Chi for normal people. Avoid Buddha bar. If you have game go outside the box and try somewhere like Forsage. You'll not go home alone.

[Biagio]

Watch out guys! This thread is full of promoters trying to advance their business interest. Pimps, club associates or social clubs / marriage agencies, etc. Their goal is to part you as quickly as possible from your hard earned money)) The more people they can sucker into Kiev, the better for them.

[Bijou]

... The pros and semi pros hang around the bar they don't dance because they are working.....Oh and if you want some professional assistance you can pm me for Andrei's number but not all members of this forum are fans.Very useful info. In your experience, which regular bars / clubs tend to have the pros and semi-pros where this strategy could be used? Skybar? Budda bar? (Apologies, just starting to RTFF for a possible trip this summer).

[Member #4722]

Heading to Kyiv for a week+ in the summer. I've had the thought recently it might be fun to get a group of guys together and a couple girls for a gangbang. I know some Gia girls offer group sex sessions. Anyone ever have experience with anything like this in Kyiv? If so please share your experience!

[Irish Lad]

Watch out guys! This thread is full of promoters trying to advance their business interest. Pimps, club associates or social clubs / marriage agencies, etc. Their goal is to part you as quickly as possible from your hard earned money)) The more people they can sucker into Kiev, the better for them.No it's not. Sure, some guide offering services but it's very clear.

[Vitrea]

Watch out guys! This thread is full of promoters trying to advance their business interest. Pimps, club associates or social clubs / marriage agencies, etc. Their goal is to part you as quickly as possible from your hard earned money)) The more people they can sucker into Kiev, the better for them.Are you sure you are referring to Kiev thread? Hard for me to believe.

[Biagio]

Are you sure you are referring to Kiev thread? Hard for me to believe.That's right. I am referring to Kiev thread. At the beginning, it's RIO, RIO, then it's some pimps / girls tried to promote the girls / themselves by writing good views in trip posts by posing as mongers. Then, it some guide / pimps and etc. Every now and then, you see them. Just be skeptical if something is too good to be true. You'll be ok.

[Tomek123]

That's right. I am referring to Kiev thread. At the beginning, it's RIO, RIO, then it's some pimps / girls tried to promote the girls / themselves by writing good views in trip posts by posing as mongers. Then, it some guide / pimps and etc. Every now and then, you see them. Just be skeptical if something is too good to be true. You'll be ok.So what. I sometimes promote any girl, for example Marina 26 years old I sometimes fuck, 6/9 but inexpensive and good anal. I sometimes give her contacts to other guys. Then I'm a pimp? She has two little children and I just want to help her. She's a little stupid but I've known her for a long time and sometimes I help her. For example in Ukraine and even Poland is a normal phenomenon when guys exchange contacts of girls. You can read about the type of sex. A good girl in bed or not very much and so on etc. Etc.

I see no reason to lure someone into Ukraine. Experienced guys and have known for so long that Ukraine is not Colombia or Thailand. No one will ever see in Kiev on the streets a crowd of beautiful girls ready to suck your dick. All experienced guys know this perfectly well. Ukraine is a rather poor scene for mongering. Of course better Colombia. I for two days found in Facebook a huge number of Colombian girls ready for little money to suck my dick. ! I was just amazed. It was just my little experiment. In Ukraine, there can never be such a. Find a girl ready to suck you dick in Ukraine in VKontakte or FB or Odnoklassniki is not as easy as in Colombia. But I'm more comfortable with Ukraine than Colombia. I know the language. I know the mentality, I know the humor. For me better Ukraine, I can do,street works, etc. Columbia is far from Poland and expensive (airplane). I do not earn as much as guys from the USA or Canada. I earn about 1 000-1200 dollars and I better rest in Ukraine among the lonely MILF or poor students in no big Ukrainian cities.

[Deer1234]

Frankly the services will almost certainly be covered on a first occasion but if you click with the girl and you get her phone number you can expect more with each subsequent visit. I've met a number of really lovely girls this way and they are friends as much as anything. Oh and if you want some professional assistance you can pm me for Andrei's number but not all members of this forum are fans.Thank you very much for your useful information. However, I noticed, many of the new pros are accompanied by a relatively old well experienced pros (as in a fighter plane squadron). In addition, nice looking pros are not at the cheap bar. Instead, they appear from somewhere else. In the case of Caribbean club, they seem to appear from the upstairs. Do the pros book their sofas as their bridgehead? (unlikely.). (I go to Caribbean club because I am an Asian and other clubs smell more or less racist, though I do not call them neo-n**I). Are there any other clubs as friendly as the Caribbean?

By the way, it is interesting to observe the behaviors of Ukrainian girls (pros, semi-pros and amateurs) in the night clubs and mamba. In mamba, some young girls check "looking for sex" and "looking for a financial sponsor". However, if I mention $, they may shout "I am not a hooker!" and block their profile from me. In this sense, I agree with your observation in the clubs. This is a big difference from other countries. And this is perhaps why I am addicted with Ukraine.

[Master929]

Hi guys,

I have been reading that forum for a couple of month now and its been really helpful.

I am planning a trip to Kiev at the end of the month and I am looking for some girls contacts, so far I only have managed to gather two mamba girls that are willing to meet. So if anyone has some good contacts and willing to share please PM me.

I will make a detailed review when I come back to let people know what you can expect in Kiev from a "newbie monger."

Cheers.

[Vitrea]

.............Experienced guys and have known for so long that Ukraine is not Colombia or Thailand. No one will ever see in Kiev on the streets a crowd of beautiful girls ready to suck your dick.......Good post. I am a Colombia pro and that is I exactly why I am loving Kiev. When these beauties do suck your dick, it is an amazing feeling. How many of us had a model material suck their dick? I had two of them do it on the last 12 hours. I landed 15 hours ago.

Amazing destination, if you don't mind spending.

[Samcik]

Good post. I am a Colombia pro and that is I exactly why I am loving Kiev. When these beauties do suck your dick, it is an amazing feeling. How many of us had a model material suck their dick? I had two of them do it on the last 12 hours. I landed 15 hours ago.

Amazing destination, if you don't mind spending.In my personal experience if you have a money and don't mind spending it, best place for mongering is Russia. Russian girls are more open minded and less drama compare to Ukrainian girls.

[Vitrea]

In my personal experience if you have a money and don't mind spending it, best place for mongering is Russia. Russian girls are more open minded and less drama compare to Ukrainian girls.I have heard that too. Hope to do Russia soon. For now, we are super happy in Kiev. I hope I am not jinxing myself.

Details to follow.

[Tomek123]

In my personal experience if you have a money and don't mind spending it, best place for mongering is Russia. Russian girls are more open minded and less drama compare to Ukrainian girls.The standard of living and wages, salaries in Russia are two times higher than in Ukraine. And food products are twice as expensive as in Ukraine. A few millions of Ukrainian guest workers work in Russia. So I do not understand why Russia is a more acceptable option and a choice for sex mongering than Ukraine.

Why?

Why Russian girls will be more affordable and cheaper than Ukrainians if a kilogram of sausage or meat in Russia costs twice as much as in Ukraine?

Or Russian girls do not buy food in the store and supermarket?

[Tomek123]

Good post. I am a Colombia pro and that is I exactly why I am loving Kiev. When these beauties do suck your dick, it is an amazing feeling. How many of us had a model material suck their dick? I had two of them do it on the last 12 hours. I landed 15 hours ago.

Amazing destination, if you don't mind spending.Could you explain your thought in more detail? I did not quite understand your idea. Unfortunately I have never been in Latin America and probably tend to idealize Colombia. You want to say that Colombian girls maybe are actually not so very beautiful and not as very accessible as some guys like me can think? Or that? My idea of Colombia is somewhat idealized?

[DramaFree11]

I agree 100%. Also, the girls are more hones and hard working. Both of the qualities are lacking in Kiev at the moment.

I agree the city is cool, but the nightlife is just not very good now. Friday is decent, but it goes downhill quickly.

[Jonathan Pine]

The average wage in Russia is more than double that of Ukraine. It's several times higher if we are talking about Moscow. Ukraine is Russia without oil and gas. Do you guys think Russia would be this rich without oil and gas? In addition, Ukraine is even more corrupt than Russia. Lots of girls from Ukraine are working in Russia now.

[Vitrea]

Could you explain your thought in more detail? I did not quite understand your idea. Unfortunately I have never been in Latin America and probably tend to idealize Colombia. You want to say that Colombian girls maybe are actually not so very beautiful and not as very accessible as some guys like me can think? Or that? My idea of Colombia is somewhat idealized?Your imagination is all true and accurate. Personally, My best blowjobs are from Colombia. Paisas specifically. Most are BBBJ. You don't have to beg or bribe for it.

What I am saying is that just the optics of a model material with natural golden silky hair going down on you is worth in itself.

[Vitrea]

I want to write a detailed report. I am writing this as a sucure place holder.

We rented a private apartment 3 BR /2 B. Very nice off of Lesi Ukrainiaki.

Our guide met us minutes after arrival and party started.

We went to apartments, Buddha Nar, Rio and pulled girls from there.

6 sessions for 3 guys. 2 9's and 4 solids eights. Super friendly and honest. Classy and civilized bunch.

[Vitrea]

First day:

As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.

The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.

The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.

A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability.

So, most apartments, you can have a session there or they come to your apartment for extra taxi money of 100 Grivna each way. If you choose two girls from the same apartment, the price for taxi is shared. A fair system. All prices are set and do not try to negotiate and look like a fool. The only thing you may be able to negotiate a bit is extras. More on extras later but for me kissing is important and for some girls, especially if they are in relationship of some sort, it is is hard for them and not about the money. With my mongering style, I focus on how much fun I had with a girl and not how low I negotiated it down. I stop it if it stops being fun. It is personal and situational.

Also, rare but different girls may have different prices in the same apartment. Don't ask why. Go with the flow.

After you pick a girl, you tell them when and where to come. They shower and get dolled up and come on time. You better give them the exact time you are going to be ready. It is not like latin America, where I always tell them 30 minutes before I need them. Haha.

Some places will ask for 500 deposit but if you go with a guide, they generally don't worry about it. You pay when you arrive. They usually come in a private car and when they do the driver collects and leaves. So that means you pay them even before they get out of the car. First time, I found that weird but since I have done it so many times, and no I know that there have never been any issues, I don't mind. If you use a guide, you can relax in the sofa when the guide pays and brings her up.

90% of apartment girls dress very elegantly. In Kiev, hookers don't look like "hookers". In many parts of the world, cheap hookers dress the part, even when they show up Bellagio. In Europe, that is rare, except in red light areas. Anyway, I digress.

Line up: Never saw one below a six. Typical is 7's few 8's and an occasional 9.

First stop had one girl working. Guide said, she is hot so we went. Turns out I know her from before but a friend wanted to see her. Alexandra. She was amazing last year, Ok face, stunner body and had a bit of an attitude. Now, she has same stunner body, face a little cuter but much worse attitude. 2700 for one hour plus taxi. I had to talk my friend out of taking her and we went to another place. Taxi was waiting.

The other place is more upscale. Had 7 girls and three are doable. Two 8's and a 9.

Emma: 5' 9", spoke english and is the leader of the pack due to her english.

Samantha: 5' 11". Beautiful, a solid 9. Little english but friendly enough to deal with google translate.

We needed a third so we told Emma and Samantha to be at our apartment 45 minutes from then and went looking for company for my third friend.

Next place had 8 girls but we only needed one. Dasha is beautiful. I 9 for sure but she had three more inches, she would be a 10.

All three showed up on time, looking beautiful. Once the guide knew everting is all set, he took off. We hung out in the living room, had some drinks, music, google translate and the routine before retiring to our rooms.

Emma is a huge hit for me: A solid 8 in face, 9 or better in body, and a 10 in bed. Wow.

My friend was super happy with Samantha. She is a 10. He liked her performance but I was not with her. We are seeing them again two days later.

Dasha: She is a spinner stunner with rose gold curly hair, super cute face too but a bit cold and inexperienced. When we first saw her, All of us wanted to take turns calling for her in the future but I don't think so. In her defense, she had a cold and said she is not feeling 100% but my friend still wanted to see her. May be she would have been better another day but I doubt it. There are too many good friendly ones to take chances.

Dinner at a nice local restaurant followed by Buddha bar and Rio and we ended the night with a three hour party at our apartment. More on that later.

[Chris Rob]

In my personal experience if you have a money and don't mind spending it, best place for mongering is Russia. Russian girls are more open minded and less drama compare to Ukrainian girls.Hello!

I've been to Russia, in Saint Petersburg, and I've been to clubs there with Russian girls that have shown me they are a lot friendlier and open minded than the Ukrainian or the Bulgarian. It seems interesting that they have that mentality when we have the idea that Russia is a close minded country but Russian girls always surprise me and, as you say, if you have money they are the best option.

[OldMcDonald]

Hi Vitrea, good review.

Can I ask where you found the guide? Any contacts you can share? Thanks.

I'll be in Ukraine on Saturday, will you still be around?


First day:

As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.

The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.

The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.

A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability...
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[Samcik]

I personally don't like to visit apartments in Kiev because no matter how hot is the girl service always shitty. But if anyone would like to give a shot just walk on Khreshatik street near Arena and random guys will approach you with invitation to check the apartments or simply will hand you the business cards. You can also ask the taxi drivers most of them know many apartments because they get commissions from them also. My only advice just be careful and don't get robbed. Best and most popular place to pick up hot girls and models nowadays is CHI by Decadence but be ready to pay at least 200 $.

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