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I personally don't like to visit apartments in Kiev because no matter how hot is the girl service always shitty. But if anyone would like to give a shot just walk on Khreshatik street near Arena and random guys will approach you with invitation to check the apartments or simply will hand you the business cards. You can also ask the taxi drivers most of them know many apartments because they get commissions from them also. I agree that this is true for most but it all depends on the guide. We are having the time of our lives. Our guide is just phenomenal. This is still low season, the selections are fewer but the quality is there.
I have mongered at more destinations than most people on this thread and I can tell you that service level has been fantastic from 80% of Apartment girls. We had more than 10 so far and only three were bad with cold fish attitude. You let the guide know that in first 10 minutes a replacement showed up in 30 minutes without extra charge for girl or taxi. It was as simple as that. Average good apartment girl is 1800. Range is 1500 to 2600. One girl, Margarita asked for 3500 and she is a 10.
Bottom line is that we are three friends in our early 40's and we have never fucked this many stunners in 3 days, Including FKKs. (I have not been to Globe).
Best and most popular place to pick up hot girls and models nowadays is CHI by Decadence but be ready to pay at least 200 $.Thank you the reminder. We are waiting for the start of the weekend. We will hit Chi today.
BTW, a good guide will help you with other things.
He arranged our day trips. Arranged taxis. Helped with groceries, money change, Went and drove a soviet tank, Shot machine guns at a range. We can't do this without a guide. I wish every city I do short term mongering had a guide like this.
I am not pushing a guide by no means. Most of you may not need. I am telling to what worked for me. I have Zero Russian and no past local contacts and I don't have luxury of time. I want to do three sessions a day and also want do day time activities.
I have not posted about a cool daytime activity we are doing. I will post if all goes well. Ha ha.
I have mongered at more destinations than most people on this thread and I can tell you that service level has been fantastic from 80% of Apartment girls. We had more than 10 so far and only three were bad with cold fish attitude. You let the guide know that in first 10 minutes a replacement showed up in 30 minutes without extra charge for girl or taxi. It was as simple as that. Average good apartment girl is 1800. Range is 1500 to 2600. One girl, Margarita asked for 3500 and she is a 10.I presume extras are not included in the price. As I have been in about 10 of these private flats, I can confirm that you don't get a BBBJ included in the price. If the girl does it, you have to pay an extra, that is always expensive, usually 30-50% more of the first price. It also depends on the girls. So 1800 + 30 % = 2400 UAH = not far from 100 $. Half of the amount will go to the mafia, half to the girl.
The great thing in Kiev was that the Non-pros from Mamba could get the whole amount, nothing went to the mafia. That was the real challenge in Kiev, just to help a non pros, a single mother, a student, that need some money and so she could get the whole amount. I use the past, because it's hard to get a Non-pros on Mamba now, that way of helping girls has nearly disappeared.
I presume extras are not included in the price. As I have been in about 10 of these private flats, I can confirm that you don't get a BBBJ included in the price. If the girl does it, you have to pay an extra, that is always expensive, usually 30-50% more of the first price. It also depends on the girls. So 1800 + 30 % = 2400 UAH = not far from 100 $. Half of the amount will go to the mafia, half to the girl.
Well said and reflects my experience also. Luckily for me, BBBJ is not as important. I only do BBBJ with girls I know and low risk. For me that is Colombia.
Having said that, kissing is very important for me. I won't take a girl unless she kisses and I don't mind paying extra for kissing. Paying extra is better for me because I know she is not kissing every guy she fucks as most won't pay 500 for kissing. While I am happy to. Also, if the girl is young and beautiful, I like DATY also. That is also extra which I discuss or negotiate ahead of time. I minimize negotiations ahead of time. I just stick to basics otherwise it kills the mood for me. Whatever floats ones boat and no judgements here.
Please don't post any negative replies to my posts about money. I am willing to share more names and details. Lets keep it positive and discuss what is good and currently working in Kiev and leave out what used to be good and is not so good now.
BigthDikth
04-27-17, 10:04
Have not been in a while but thinking about a trip. Here are some sites with phone numbers. I know the photos are not real and the girls that show up are less than the photos, but how much less? And is 300 500 etc. Hryvnia the real price? It's not that much.
Maybe someone in Kiev should try some of these out and see how real they are.
http://sexkiev.net/7-1/page-2
https://intimgirls.net/girls/cheap
http://relaxportal.biz/deshevye-prostitutki/
Bottom line is that we are three friends in our early 40's and we have never fucked this many stunners in 3 days, Including FKKs. (I have not been to Globe).Hi Vitrea,
Glad you're enjoying Kiev. That's the importance of planning whether by yourselves before landing or assisted once you landed there. It does save a lot of time and maximizes the windows of opportunities.
As for FKK Clubs, well the disappointing news for many is the going be the Ban on BBBJ as from I St July.
Hi Vitrea,
Glad you're enjoying Kiev. That's the importance of planning whether by yourselves before landing or assisted once you landed there. It does save a lot of time and maximizes the windows of opportunities.
As for FKK Clubs, well the disappointing news for many is the going be the Ban on BBBJ as from I St July.Thank you Jojosun.
We are having a blast in Kiev. The highlight of my trip so far is my threesome with Paulina and Milana . Two stunners. Paulina is in a class of her own. Beautiful face with steel blue eyes, flawless skin and a phenomenal attitude. I was with her for three hours at 2000 Grivna an hour plus taxi. Once we really connected with a lot of dirty dancing, I asked if she would like a threesome. We accidentally invited 5 girls at the same time, and they promptly showed up at the same time! Sending one away was easy and we tipped her generously. The 4 that are left are all cute. We had a hard time choosing. I took that opportunity to do a threesome. Paulina said she does with very few girls and showed photos.
We invited Milana to join for a threesome. Milana is a stunner on whom I had eyes for a while now, through the agent. It was a very memorable threesome session because of the quality of the women and Paulina was genuinely horny. Milana went through the motions but I would not repeat Milana by herself or as threesome. I checked that box of Ukrainian threesome. (I hope to do one threesome in each country I monger in. Ha ha.).
The other two that stayed are Anya, beautiful 20 yr old brown hair, a solid nine but cold in bed.
I think I wrote about Yulia, a real fire cracker who speaks english. More on her later.
Member #4722
04-28-17, 01:15
Great to hear some positivity in this thread! July can't come soon enough!
Have not been in a while but thinking about a trip. Here are some sites with phone numbers. I know the photos are not real and the girls that show up are less than the photos, but how much less? And is 300 500 etc. Hryvnia the real price? It's not that much.
Maybe someone in Kiev should try some of these out and see how real they are.
http://sexkiev.net/7-1/page-2
https://intimgirls.net/girls/cheap
http://relaxportal.biz/deshevye-prostitutki/This site is still going used by agencies as well. http://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobihttp://www.top-modals.com/?h=mobi.
Any good ones are going to be around 80/100 $. This was the case back in 2009/10 and I don't think much has changed since then?
Great to hear some positivity in this thread! July can't come soon enough!Not a very good time to. Visit Kiev. 10 Sept onwards when students and others are back from holidays.
Unlike some other parts of the world, under 20 pros are fewer and far between in Western Europe. I have assumed the same about Kiev. That does seem to be true here as well but I did run into two 18 year olds. One said this is her first month. Anna is a college student, some english, 7 face but a 9 body and 10 attitude. I don't know if I mentioned in another post, but regardless, it is worth mentioning that she is multi-orgasmic and absolutely loves sex. Literally came off the bed. 1900 per hour X 2. That was two nights ago.
Early this morning I saw, Emily a redhead, who showed up at 2:30 am super shy, in a cute way. Nice ass with feminine curves. Zero english. She is also 18 and the agent said this is her first day working. Not sure if I believe that but nevertheless she is new to business but not new to sex. He he. She was horny and tight. Loved DFK and my mouth is still raw as I write this, from the 2 hours of prolonged kissing. After the first session, we had simulated sex in the shower for 10-15 minutes which was erotic. After shower, she gave me a inexpereinced 30 minute massage though you could tell that her heart was in it. She wanted to please. We had another session before she left at 4:30 am. 1600 per hour X 2.
Member #4722
04-28-17, 05:37
Not a very good time to. Visit Kiev. 10 Sept onwards when students and others are back from holidays.Yes I know but this is the only time I can take vacation. I'm sure there will be plenty of women to keep me happy for 10 days and i don't have crazy high standards and find most ukranian women very attractive. Even milfs and they are normally the best performers. Also may try to play the dating game a bit as I will be in town 10-14 days.
Reiner Otto
04-28-17, 09:35
Yes I know but this is the only time I can take vacation. Try Odessa (Arkadia) in July. But book hotel in advance, as very busy. In Itaka or Ibiza, your eyes will pop off.
Whether you score, is another story. Might need deep pockets.
But really worth a visit. Try youtube 'Arkadia Odessa'.
In case, you find a gem in Kiev, invite to a trip to Arkadia. Will be very happy about it.
Unlike some other parts of the world, under 20 pros are fewer and far between in Western Europe. I have assumed the same about Kiev. That does seem to be true here as well but I did run into two 18 year olds.Can you tell us more about how to find them??
Can you tell us more about how to find them??Honestly, Me finding these two is dumb luck. My agent found them and he never mentioned their age till I saw them. All I asked him is for someone new to the business.
All here know about Rio and feel strongly about it one way or other. There is so much written about it so I don't need to add much to it other than the fact that we as group are very impressed with quality. Minimum you will spend is, 300 Grivna to enter, one drink and $300 to take out. The girls stayed for three hours and two pops is expected if you can muster it. My girl did DFK with no extra charge and she did not expect any tip. Did I mention that Dana looks like Mila Kunis?
Funny story: My buddy chose a beautiful girl at Rio and paid her in the booth. (You pay the girl and the club). As soon as we paid her he saw another beauty walk by who was even more gorgeous. Ha ha. He was in a major bind. We mumbled in english to each other and came up with a plan on how to get out. We asked the first girl, who was still sitting next to him in the booth, with 8000 Grivna clutched in her hand if she does DFK and BBBJ, clearly knowing the answer. She politely said no and we politely asked for money back and she politely gave it back and elegantly walked away.
My friend took the other one. The second one spoke english too and my friend is happy. She is beautiful, not skinny but well built. Toned from all the pole dancing she said. I will report name if I remember. He performance was a 7 compared to Dana's 10.
Anyway.
Sky Bar: dead on Wednesday.
Farmosa (sp?) Complete waste of time for non Russian speaking foreigners in their 40's. Takes a long time and effort.
Shooters: Same. Complete waste of time for non Russian speaking foreigners in their 40's. Takes a long time and effort.
Scarlet: Sister club to Rio. Similar quality and same prices but fewer girls, though I saw a few stunners. Why bother? I would to Rio.
Buddha Bar: Seems to be slowing down like other reports said. The girls were easy to spot and talk to. I collected four numbers in 40 minutes hoping to contact them later. I sent WhatsApp and viber messages and three of them responded. Sabrina a tanned blonde said she just left to Shram-al-sheik (sp?) and Julie a black haired girl with kissable lips said no to coming to my apartment. The third one is in her late twenties, curly brown hair. Her name is Sveta. I cut to the chase and asked if she would come to my apartment to party and she said no. She was very cordial about it and she said that if I am looking for an escort, I should look for them on escort websites and she even sent me a link! These people are nice.
BTW, not all people in Kiev have WhatsApp. If you don't see them on WhatsApp, look in Viber.
If I get a number from a girl, I confirm that is correct number while we are still together. I send them a funny or a catchy line and make sure they get it and will remember if I contact them few days later.
I have these numbers and will only share with real contributors but please know that I have not seen any of them so far and Sveta and Julie are looking for a meeting first before they commit. Others may be like that too. I don't have time or patience for that. Some of you may. Bottom line message is that in BB the girls are using that place to screen potential customers and taking phone numbers for a later date may not avoid the hassle of a repeat meet, greet and possibly wine and dine. I wish I had the time.
Try Odessa (Arkadia) in July. But book hotel in advance, as very busy. In Itaka or Ibiza, your eyes will pop off.
Whether you score, is another story. Might need deep pockets.
But really worth a visit. Try youtube 'Arkadia Odessa'.
In case, you find a gem in Kiev, invite to a trip to Arkadia. Will be very happy about it.Exactly.
Scoring in Odessa is pretty difficult. Best option is to book an apartment or hotel near Arkadia and invite some girls from Kiev or other cities to spend a few days with you.
Have not been in a while but thinking about a trip. Here are some sites with phone numbers. I know the photos are not real and the girls that show up are less than the photos, but how much less? And is 300 500 etc. Hryvnia the real price? It's not that much.
Maybe someone in Kiev should try some of these out and see how real they are.
http://sexkiev.net/7-1/page-2
https://intimgirls.net/girls/cheap
http://relaxportal.biz/deshevye-prostitutki/In the olden days it wasn't around but now it seems to be in vogue and used by many girls and agencies. Many of them are on Viber and whatsapp so you can have a Video call to find out how real, agencies or if they speak English? It couldn't be simpler and easier than phoning random numbers.
http://ukraine.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/
Member #4722
04-28-17, 15:01
Exactly.
Scoring in Odessa is pretty difficult. Best option is to book an apartment or hotel near Arkadia and invite some girls from Kiev or other cities to spend a few days with you.I live by the beach in LA so no real need for a beach vacation for me if it's hard to get girls there. Might take a side trip to kharkiv or Minsk just to see a new place.
Poker Player 2
04-28-17, 16:56
Gentlemen,
I just had a disturbing conversation with one of my Kiev girls. She seems convinced that after June 10,2017, Ukranians will no longer require visa to travel to EU countries (No shengen visa requirements). Could someone with knowledge of the matter please confirm that she is misled about this as she is misled about most other things in life?
Regards,
Gentlemen,
I just had a disturbing conversation with one of my Kiev girls. She seems convinced that after June 10,2017, Ukranians will no longer require visa to travel to EU countries (No shengen visa requirements). Could someone with knowledge of the matter please confirm that she is misled about this as she is misled about most other things in life?
Regards,That is true info. Ukrainian citizens will need no visa for Schengen countries since June this year.
We had an interesting experience. Things were working out great for us with apartment girls that Andre was wither calling or we were choosing from our trips to the apartments but we decided to try Gia.
Called Gia and asked who were available on Friday late afternoon. We got the names and cross referenced with photos. Chose Elvira based on photos and description. She was $250 an hour. She came on time and spoke english and was pleasant but no where near the quality as seen in photos. She is a six at best. She is not worth that price anywhere in the world, leave alone in Kiev that is full of stunners at a quarter of that price. I gave her taxi money and sent her away.
Interesting to note that out of the 20 or so girls (28-30 sessions as some were repeats) we had at our apartment in 6 full days (three guys) the Gia girl is the only one we sent away due to looks. That is quite ironic, given the fact that it is the most expensive agency in town and supposedly highly reliable.
It was only one case example so it is possible that it was a one off but I personally see no reason to call Gia again. BTW, Andreii, our guide made the phone calls and spoke to manager.
BTW, I find Gia's chart of pussy shapes is fascinating (they categorize pussies based on shape and general anatomy and give it a number). In all these years of mongering, I have never seen a chart like that. Unfortunately I did not get a chance to see if their charting of Elvira's pussy is accurate.
Justifiably, I missed couple of days of posts there but it would be a sin not to share our last day experience.
All are apartment girls or Andreii's contacts. The names I am posting are the names they go by in the apartments.
Riana: I speak of stunners in Kiev but this one is a true 10. Absolutely flawless. She is 5' 4" or so. If she was a few inches taller she would be model. Black hair, blue eyes, great body and Sweet personality. She is new and is unlikely to last a long time in apartments. 2200 Grivna an hour. My friends repeated her the same day so she ended up spending 4 hours in our apartment.
Christina: Deep blue eyes, blonde, tall and thin and fit but not skinny. She came beautifully dressed like the rest. She started shy and I was nervous that the session would be cold. It was the opposite. She truly enjoyed sex. DFK and BBBJ but no DATY and I did not miss it. BBBJ was extra and I gladly paid. Must repeat.
Alina: My friend saw her during the day and I had to see her before I left Kiev. She is my last one before I headed to the airport and this one is true star. Beautiful face with a killer smile worth being in dental care ads. She has bit more meat on her but in good shape. Curvy. Best part is that she is truly horny. DFK, BBBJ and DATY. All. She did not ask for extra money but I tipped her well.
My travel partner and friend made a quick trip to Chi with a date set up by Andreii. My friends date is professional DJ in small clubs. He does not want me to post her name. She was a lot of fun in our apartment and got the party started.
My buddy said Chi was rocking on a Friday. He said there were dozens of stunners and his feeling was that quite a few might be available to a negotiated takeout. Well, we had to save something for next trip. Ha ha.
I know several of you on this forum know Andreii. He does have an interesting personality but who is perfect? He is great guide but more importantly a good person. His work ethic is amazing and he is truly happy when you are happy. Rare to see that sometimes even among friends. His english is more than adequate but not perfect so sometimes that leads to some confusion but if you trust him like we did, you will have an amazing time. He barely slept the last six nights. Haha. We kept him busy.
He helped us with tours, activities, taxis, hourly chauffeured cars, groceries, money change and if course girls. As you can tell from my reports, we did not just try apartments. When we went to clubs he was there waiting for us and willing to arrange something in case we did not find what we are looking for. I will be happy to share his number via PM.
Dimitri is the owner of the nice apartment we stayed in. He has 14 others. No issues with visitors. I can share his Viber number also.
Poker Player 2
04-30-17, 07:00
That is true info. Ukrainian citizens will need no visa for Schengen countries since June this year.This is really big news and may have a good size impact on our hobby. I am surprised nobody is talking about it on the forum. I guess we will see what happens soon enough. I am a little shocked though!
As from next June they can travel to any country in the EU without getting a visa first.
.Now its not really breaking news. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2019705#post2019705.
This is really big news and may have a good size impact on our hobby. I am surprised nobody is talking about it on the forum. I guess we will see what happens soon enough. I am a little shocked though!http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2019173&viewfull=1#post2019173 5 pages ago.
I don't believe the impact will be much to be honest. Girls that want to go already can without any real problems.
FilancaNow
04-30-17, 15:05
I wish I read this forum before booking my flight to Kiev. I'm going for 2 days in July and it seems like it's a lot of work. Well, I think I'll PM some of you if anyone is willing to share the contacts.
Thank you all for providing such valuable information.
FilancaNow
04-30-17, 15:08
Great to hear some positivity in this thread! July can't come soon enough!When are you in town during July?
This is really big news and may have a good size impact on our hobby. I am surprised nobody is talking about it on the forum. I guess we will see what happens soon enough. I am a little shocked though!I can also concur with others this has little to no impact. Currently in Kiev and just had a discussion with a girl about it. According to her this is just another political thing that has no real reason / impact. It's just for show to make it look more open and good politically.
This is because currently anyone can go to Polish embassy and get a visa for 2-3 years without any problem. This is because Poland traditionally are friends with Ukraine. So it has never ever been hard to get, just walk there and they give minimum 2 years without hassle. This is all according to the girl I spoke to.
Member #4722
04-30-17, 18:43
When are you in town during July?First week of July.
JacobBrasil
04-30-17, 19:19
Hi,
Any recommendation about a girl friendly hotel in center of Kiev around 50 dollars a night thanks for any information.
FilancaNow
04-30-17, 20:54
First week of July.I'm in the last week of July, would be nice to grab a drink.
I can also concur with others this has little to no impact. Currently in Kiev and just had a discussion with a girl about it. According to her this is just another political thing that has no real reason / impact. It's just for show to make it look more open and good politically.
This is because currently anyone can go to Polish embassy and get a visa for 2-3 years without any problem. This is because Poland traditionally are friends with Ukraine. So it has never ever been hard to get, just walk there and they give minimum 2 years without hassle. This is all according to the girl I spoke to.This is also a true info. There are lots of Ukrainian girls & working girls in Warsaw. I also, heard that if you are from friendly Slavic countries you can relatively easy get a phone number that will make possible for you to fuck Ukrainian girls at the prices which are very favorable.
JohnDoe9021
05-02-17, 00:23
Is it spending 3-4 days in Kiev worth it? I will be in Warsaw for about 3 weeks, but I have never been to Ukraine, and speak zero Russian. I was in Moscow and SPB last year with pretty good success.
I am getting a lot of PMs about Kiev. I will be happy to answer but if there is a delay, it is not intentional. Our little group is still on tour. It was two week trip. I wish we had spent all two weeks in Kiev ha ha but uncertainty about Kiev made us split our trip into a Kiev plus FKK trip. I believe I have posted about that during trip planning. We are are friends and business partners from US, UK and Denmark. A fourth friend from UK joined us in Frankfurt. We are doing FRA now followed by DUS. So I may be a bit busy and internet in FKKs are not reliable and not all of them have wifi. We go back to our native countries on May 6th and I will have more time to answer.
I miss Kiev but god you can't beat the ease of FKKs. Fucking efficient. Literally.
CallSign Papa
05-02-17, 14:08
Is it spending 3-4 days in Kiev worth it? I will be in Warsaw for about 3 weeks, but I have never been to Ukraine, and speak zero Russian. I was in Moscow and SPB last year with pretty good success.Kiev is a hell of a lot better than Warsaw, so yes, it's certainly worth the short journey. I would caveat that with the following:
1) Whilst Russian isn't essential, you would be doing yourself a favor investing in an app or a russian dictionary. Familiarise yourself with the phrases you're likely to need (I'd like a beer please etc).
2) Sign up for Mamba and hit up some girls in advance to ensure you have numbers.
3) Go back 30 pages and read about the nightlife here to find out which bars to hit.
4) PM senior members for advice.
5) Enjoy!
I am getting a lot of PMs about Kiev. I will be happy to answer but if there is a delay, it is not intentional. Our little group is still on tour. It was two week trip. I wish we had spent all two weeks in Kiev ha ha but uncertainty about Kiev made us split our trip into a Kiev plus FKK trip. I believe I have posted about that during trip planning. We are are friends and business partners from US, UK and Denmark. A fourth friend from UK joined us in Frankfurt. We are doing FRA now followed by DUS. So I may be a bit busy and internet in FKKs are not reliable and not all of them have wifi. We go back to our native countries on May 6th and I will have more time to answer.
I miss Kiev but god you can't beat the ease of FKKs. Fucking efficient. Literally.Hey Vitrea,
Let me know if you go to FKK Sharks whilst in Frankfurt and if you see Brenda (ex-Leya). Can't miss her if she is there. Straight raven mid-body length hair; slight asian facial features eventhough she's Romanian; stunning body with narrow waist and natural DDs / E cup titties, no tats. A solid 9 overall in optics. Maybe a 9+ for the tits alone. A lot hotter than Sharmina from your Living Room days. YMMV but if you have plenty of dough, she will treat you well. I'll be back in Europe in a few weeks time and checking to see if she is back from her Easter break. So if you get a visual, let me know. Better still, try her out.
Also I would recommend Mio from Germany if you make it back to Goldentime Bruggen near Dusseldorf and if she is back there from her Zurich Globe tour. Can't miss her. She's drop dead gorgeous with platinum blond hair, petite with A/B cup titties and loads of tats.
By the way, sent you a PM. Not been back to Kiev since 2009 during the glory days of River Palace. Tempted to make a side trip back here plus Belgrade in early to mid June. Still reminiscing about my overnight bookings with really hot girls from Vodka Escort when they were based in Kiev and Odessa back before then (now they are just a touring business but still with some hot models). Man, those were the days.
Howie.
BellBottomsDJ
05-04-17, 02:31
I arrive in Kiev next weekend the 13th, I'm interested in meeting someone that is here chasing tail. I'm 42, extrovert alpha male from the USA and I'm coming to get myself into shenanigans. If anyone wants to have a beer or chase pussy, let me know. Private message please.
At least some (but perhaps many) of the girls in mamba employ writers to respond to incoming thousand of messages.
I found this because a long-time friend of mine in mamba suddenly failed to recognize me.
And the writer confessed that he or she is just a proxy.
This may explain why a girl is very talkative in one night but completely silent the next week.
These girls are not interested in establishing a steady relationship with their clients, but just keen on getting a client quickly on the night.
Although Mamba is also saturated with some escort agencies, they are not annoying so much, because they swiftly guide me to their Viber / Whatsapp numbers.
As a result, I do not have to waist much time.
At least some (but perhaps many) of the girls in mamba employ writers to respond to incoming thousand of messages.
I found this because a long-time friend of mine in mamba suddenly failed to recognize me.
And the writer confessed that he or she is just a proxy.
This may explain why a girl is very talkative in one night but completely silent the next week.
These girls are not interested in establishing a steady relationship with their clients, but just keen on getting a client quickly on the night.
Although Mamba is also saturated with some escort agencies, they are not annoying so much, because they swiftly guide me to their Viber / Whatsapp numbers.
As a result, I do not have to waist much time.With a bit of experience, it's not difficult to differentiate a real girl from everything else. The photos and chit chat usually give it away. Sadly, I no longer can get the right girls to reply back.
UrbanCowboy22
05-05-17, 03:57
Back in Kyiv, decided to hit the trifecta of strip clubs on my first night. Rio, Mandarin, & the new one Scarlette at the President Hotel. Of course $, could have been better spent elsewhere but sometimes that is the price you pay to survey the scene. Scarlette was better than expected, the club was nice inside, the girls on par with what you would expect at Rio & Mandarin. 300 uah entry & 500 uah private dances. Spent a few hours here then off to the other two clubs. Made a stop at Buddha Bar in between, saw four girls working the bar around midnight. Didn't ask the prices as they were not my type. Saw a few decent looking girls on Mamba, of course not their real photos. Ask & they will send photos through viber or whatsapp. Prices quoted were anywhere from $100-$150 an hour. Not really value for money especially considering the quality. Will check out the salons tomorrow night. Didn't go home empty handed as I met a fresh new 19 yr old blonde named Sonia. Said she just started this week, seemed believable because of her youth & inexperience but still a great session none the less.
Back in Kyiv, ..... Didn't go home empty handed as I met a fresh new 19 yr old blonde named Sonia. Said she just started this week, seemed believable because of her youth & inexperience but still a great session none the less.You did not say where and how you landed her?
UrbanCowboy22
05-05-17, 14:56
I found her or I should say that she found me walking along Kreschatyk. The street is blocked off in preparation for the Euro Vision festivities next week. I'm sure she probably works for an agency although I'm not 100% sure but I do have her contact info and she can be reached by whatsapp! I would be happy to share any contact info. It's extremely rare to be approached here, at least out in public. Session was good but doubt I will repeat as lots of other choices out there! Will try my luck at a few clubs tonight. I think I spotted your Mila Kunis lookalike at Rio, strong resemblance except for a few tattoos!
You did not say where and how you landed her?.
Here's the problem with the logic that you have "to pay" in Kiev. In my own home scene, I would have to meet almost five high end girls to find one keeper. In the middle end, the numbers are exactly the same. About five duds before you find a winner and that's at half the cost. I don't have that much field experience in Kiev, but for what I have, the numbers have been the same. Funny how members have found stunners, but have little substance to share as to their services and personality. Whatever happened to photos of regular girls sitting in a monger's apartment?
Like this, Apt 274 PGH.
UrbanCowboy22
05-05-17, 17:16
Yes, it can happen. Unfortunately for most of us on this board, the most valuable commodity we have is time, whether it's a few days, a week or even a month. Scoring freebies in Kiev certainly involves time or being in the right place at the right time. Whether it's in a nightclub, a shopping mall or on my last visit back in October, I ended up at Coyote Ugly after a rather disappointing & uneventful visit to Shooters. I saw a slightly above average brunette wearing a skimpy red dress drinking all alone. Keep in mind Average in Kiev is another level than your average back home in the states. Anyhow, after chatting her up using google translator, & buying myself & her zero drinks, as she paid for her own. Somehow we decided to split a taxi. I was to be dropped off first & then she would go on to her apartment. No idea if she lived alone, with her friends, or even with her parents. Somehow during the ten minute ride I convinced her to come inside to have another drink. When we entered the room, I made us both a drink then put on some music. A few minutes later she asked if I wanted a massage? Immediately I'm thinking this girl is working & only wants money. When I asked her how much? Her face turned bright red, & she became angry & said she wasn't a prostitute. Still I wasn't convinced but it took ten minutes to defuse the situation. Anyhow I offered her a massage instead. Off came the red dress & she was laying face down on my bed in a bra and panties. After about ten minutes of massaging her back, upper thighs and arms, I let my fingers explore a bit beneath her panties, she never stopped me. Next thing I know my cock is in her mouth & I'm fingering her. She asked if I had a condo. I fucked her for about 30 minutes in a variety of positions. Afterwards she took a quick shower then came out of the bathroom & said she had to go to class as it was near 7 am! Not sure what university starts that early but she didn't even ask for taxi money. So, yes it's possible to get freebies in Kiev however in my experiences and travels, you will certainly end up paying one way or another in Kiev or anywhere else, whether it's with dinner, drinks, shopping, or a combination of all three! I've had numerous Mamba & vkontakte girls ask me for a new iPhone! I guess I must look like an iPhone Santa!
DramaFree11
05-05-17, 19:13
Good post, but in Kiev, I would say closer to 15-20 girls, to find a keeper and without local knowledge, maybe even higher.
AntonySun1996
05-05-17, 20:48
Hello everyone,
I'm new to this forum and I'm in Kiev now for hooking up. Yesterday I called a girl from site relaxkiev to my apartment and it turned out her photos were fake.
I'm wondering if there's anybody in Kiev now for girls and maybe we can make efforts looking for hot girls together? I will stay until May. 16th.
CallSign Papa
05-06-17, 07:15
I'm wondering if there's anybody in Kiev now for girls and maybe we can make efforts looking for hot girls together? I will stay until May. 16th.You've failed the first test. You've arrived in (what I assume is) a new city having done little to no research.
Go back 50 pages, read the information contained within, proceed newly armed with everything you'll need to do your own hunting.
AntonySun1996
05-06-17, 08:44
You've failed the first test. You've arrived in (what I assume is) a new city having done little to no research.
Go back 50 pages, read the information contained within, proceed newly armed with everything you'll need to do your own hunting.Hello,
Thanks for replying. The fact is I did have done much research and this is the second time I'm in Kiev, but still with little success. I'm just looking for dudes who would like to hunt together. This forum looks good though, I will have a good look of it.
AntonySun1996
05-06-17, 08:52
Does anyone know about racism in Kiev nightclubs? Because I'm Asian and I heard some Asian dudes are faced with more or less racism in nightclubs? Will I have difficulties getting hot working girls in the clubs?
P.S. I used to call girls online but it turned out that their photos are mostly fake, that's why I'd like to try nightclubs this time.
Any information or advise would be appreciated.
AntonySun1996
05-06-17, 09:29
By the way, I read from the previous posts that you can find stunning girls in apartments, but it seems there's little about how to find these places. I have walked around the Victory square and Khreshchatyk street (in daytime though), but didn't see guys giving ads to me. Could anybody kindly give me some information about this?
Cheers Anthony.
UrbanCowboy22
05-06-17, 11:25
Found a taxi near Arena City. Asked the driver to take me to an apartment with girls. First apartment was near Olympski Stadium, 7 girls working, price was 2000 uah per hour. Apartment even had a room with a small swimming pool. Didn't really find anyone that I liked so off to the next place. Surprisingly the driver took me right back to the place where he picked me up. Walked towards a door to the left of the entrance to the Arena nightclubs & restaurants. Driver rang a bell, up a flight of stairs to what looked like a small strip club. One by one girls were coming out of all shapes & sizes. Six total, they come out dancing & have a pole in the middle of the room. I think the place was called Darling Disco. This place had better looking girls & the prices quoted were $100 for one set of girls & $130 for another set. Later found out that was an inflated price as I had arrived by taxi & the driver was getting his take of the action. Prices normally would be 1900 uah & 2700 uah per hour, had I arrived alone. Settled on one hottie but was told that she does BJ only so I took another girl. They have rooms on site but if you pay the taxi fee, they will gladly come to your place.
I'm going to be in Ukraine for a few weeks in July, starting on July 5 in Kiev, then to Dnipro, then Odessa. I would love to make some contacts and any current advice would be appreciated.
I've read a lot of this forum, and it looks like Rio is the best bet?
I speak decent Russian, have money, and love the girls. I currently have a room booked at a nice hotel, but am open to apartments or whatever.
Any particular advice, given my situation? Thanks in advance!
BellBottomsDJ
05-07-17, 03:50
What is the deal with all these chicks saying "120" on mamba with there little picture and the price embedded in the photo? Haha. Agency?
FilancaNow
05-08-17, 00:09
Of course anyone can ask whatever price they want and anyone can give whatever they can afford. As a principal I'd like to pay around 1000 uah and 2000 uah as anything else is unrealistic when we consider the Ukrainian wages.
If anyone has contact info of the girls who charge the numbers I mentioned, feel free to PM me.
Thanks! Happy hunting!
UrbanCowboy22
05-08-17, 03:54
Don't forget how spoiled some Ukrainian women can be, especially in Kiev. They may struggle to pay rent but all seem to have the latest iPhone & designer handbags. I visited Chi nightclub last night, a few girls working, no idea what prices they were asking but I assure you it was no where close to 1000-2000 uah. Mamba is a complete crap shoot, majority of girls are using fake pictures. Your best bet would be to try utilize a local taxi driver or other contact to meet the girls working in apartments. These apartment locations seem to change like the weather, so every few months a new one may open or close. If anyone would like to share Andrei's contact info with me by pm, it would be very much appreciated.
Of course anyone can ask whatever price they want and anyone can give whatever they can afford. As a principal I'd like to pay around 1000 uah and 2000 uah as anything else is unrealistic when we consider the Ukrainian wages.
If anyone has contact info of the girls who charge the numbers I mentioned, feel free to PM me.
Thanks! Happy hunting!
FilancaNow
05-08-17, 14:16
Don't forget how spoiled some Ukrainian women can be, especially in Kiev. They may struggle to pay rent but all seem to have the latest iPhone & designer handbags. I visited Chi nightclub last night, a few girls working, no idea what prices they were asking but I assure you it was no where close to 1000-2000 uah. Mamba is a complete crap shoot, majority of girls are using fake pictures. Your best bet would be to try utilize a local taxi driver or other contact to meet the girls working in apartments. These apartment locations seem to change like the weather, so every few months a new one may open or close. If anyone would like to share Andrei's contact info with me by pm, it would be very much appreciated.Thank you for your input, much appreciated!
AntonySun1996
05-08-17, 21:19
Thank you for your information.
I went to the place on Velyka Vas st. That you mentioned at noon today. Only one girl available. Her body was 8 but face 6. Price was 1800, which I bargained to 5000 for 3 h.
Would there be more girls there in night?
After I been disappointed of my first day in Kiev I read this forum, in here is many opinions I did not know which one to believe, so I let you mine. I am a Scandinavian, 35 years old I usually get a 6 between 25 and 30 years old paying a couple of drink back home.
So in Kiev we arrive on Thursday for first time in Kiev and went to Arena complex around 22 00 was almost dead we eat something and around 2330 went to shooters, I been in Bangkok for a year so I was looking for the freelance girls you find a BKK, so that day was Salsa day ratio was 1 boy 1 girl, girls between 7 and 9, but average 7, everybody dancing Latino music, I am very bad dancing but suddenly an 8 jump on me to dance and I think bingo lucky day, but she just wanted to dance no drink no anything, so I keep on trying many girls but they only want to dance, I also I do not find any other tourist to find if is any kind of code or anything. So I did not came here to work as hell, so we go back home and go to the net, do not do that, we call 800 grinas hour girls, we order 4 hours, it came a 3 (20) and a 5 (21), we both take the five and 2 hours later send them home. So first day a total disaster.
Next day we try the street, seems like the normal girls do not have money to go out, is possible to arrange dates, but we do not have time for that, I am talking girls that can be 7 or 8..
AntonySun1996
05-10-17, 22:31
Hi,
Does anyone know how to bang village girls, if possible? I'm in Kiev but I'm wondering if village girls would like to have sex for a lower price and maybe they would be more hot. I don't mind give a visit to the nearby villages or poor areas in the country. It would be very much appreciated if you could give me some details.
It's been almost a week of my second visit to Ukraine, and still one week to go. I find this forum a great help, and promise to write a detailed report after my journey.
Cheers,
Anthony.
Member #4722
05-11-17, 02:54
Edit: Tried to delete post but it didn't work. Logged on from another computer and it was fine
Just logged onto Mamba and got the following message. I had some numbers saved there and I should have taken them down. I have basically been saving interesting girls in my Favorites folder and have barely even written anyone so not sure why my account would be blocked. Also I paid for VIP membership. This is strange this happened right after I cleared my cookies and browsing history. Can anyone offer any advice?
Your IP was blocked for one of these reasons:
Commercial messages or spam are being sent from this account.
From this address someone has sent rude, abusive or suspicious messages or comments in diaries.
Exceed the usual frequency of looking at profiles or sending messages.
We suspect that attempts to hack profiles have been made from this address.
If you did none of the above then this means your account was blocked by one of your neighbours on the network (your colleagues or housemates can access the the site from the same IP address). In this instance you need to contact your internet provider and order a separate IP address.
BellBottomsDJ
05-11-17, 08:10
So I am arriving in Kiev this week and I realized the apartment I rented has a 24 hour attendant on staff at the front door. This is not a hotel, but an apartment building. This may be awkward bringing new girls in and out day after day. Anyone else see this as a problem, or could they give a shit less? Again, this is an apartment building, not a hotel. And hopefully they have a back entrance or something to the effect.
Edit: Tried to delete post but it didn't work. Logged on from another computer and it was fine
Just logged onto Mamba and got the following message. I had some numbers saved there and I should have taken them down. I have basically been saving interesting girls in my Favorites folder and have barely even written anyone so not sure why my account would be blocked. Also I paid for VIP membership. This is strange this happened right after I cleared my cookies and browsing history. Can anyone offer any advice?
Your IP was blocked for one of these reasons:
Commercial messages or spam are being sent from this account.
From this address someone has sent rude, abusive or suspicious messages or comments in diaries.
Exceed the usual frequency of looking at profiles or sending messages.
We suspect that attempts to hack profiles have been made from this address.
If you did none of the above then this means your account was blocked by one of your neighbours on the network (your colleagues or housemates can access the the site from the same IP address). In this instance you need to contact your internet provider and order a separate IP address.If you are logging in from somewhere like Arena using their WiFi it might be that their IP address was blocked as happened before for several months.
I used mamba via Wi fi at a bar in Tarasivska street and for the first time in 6 years mamba got stuck, as an administrator. The next day, after sending and mail to mamba assistance, all in place. The problem and at some points Wi fi.
Ashurbanipal
05-11-17, 20:54
I am a Ukrainian, aged 40 who lives in Kiev, watching this thread for fun. I've decided to share my thoughts on pricing. I have been mongering for more 10 years, and have always targeted girls who charge $100/ hour or more. I think that $100 is a fair price for a good looking girl who meets my standards.
Inspired by this thread I went to RIO last week, and I was really impressed by quality of girls. I saw at least 3 stunning beauties among dancers, tall, fit, moving like a wild cat, long hair, and desire in their eyes to separate me from all my money I ended up spending $100 on private dances, bought her a fresh juice and talked a bit.
I confirm that it is possible to take a girl out of the club for 3 hours for $300. I will definitely do it on one of my next visits to RIO. That night I also checked Buddha Bar, the place was full of hookers, they were not of my type. I have also checked three clubs in Arena-City: Darling, Solid Gold and Golden Nosorog, was not impressed, RIO is the best option.
As in Poland, it is possible to find students who are looking for "sponsors. " They are not "professional" escorts, usually just nice girls who need help with their finances. I have enjoyed this a lot in Poland. I will be visiting Lviv soon and hope someone has a website to find these girls. Or, maybe you have met with such a girl and have her information. Please PM me if you have any details. I can share sponsor website information for Poland. I'm a nice, clean, respectful man, 40 years.
BellBottomsDJ
05-12-17, 15:55
So question for you guys. I met this girl on mamba I want to meet, but she is insistent that she will only come to a hotel and not an apartment. I rented a nice apartment for my visit and told her I had an apartment that is as nice as many hotels and she refuses and only will meet at a hotel. This seems strange to me since it is outside of the norm. Anyone else run into this? I don't want my trip to have some unforeseen bad surprise before I even begin. Feedback?
AntonySun1996
05-12-17, 17:29
I've been spending several days in Kiev mainly focused on apartment girls, now I want to try something different. In terms of quality of girls, would gia or rio be a better choice?
Cheers.
Member #4722
05-12-17, 20:02
So question for you guys. I met this girl on mamba I want to meet, but she is insistent that she will only come to a hotel and not an apartment. I rented a nice apartment for my visit and told her I had an apartment that is as nice as many hotels and she refuses and only will meet at a hotel. This seems strange to me since it is outside of the norm. Anyone else run into this? I don't want my trip to have some unforeseen bad surprise before I even begin. Feedback?Ask her to meet you in a public place near your apartment and have a drink so she can feel comfortable with you. If not move on to the next girl!
DanielLee5
05-13-17, 08:26
I am a Ukrainian, aged 40 who lives in Kiev, watching this thread for fun. I've decided to share my thoughts on pricing. I have been mongering for more 10 years, and have always targeted girls who charge $100/ hour or more. I think that $100 is a fair price for a good looking girl who meets my standards.
Inspired by this thread I went to RIO last week, and I was really impressed by quality of girls. I saw at least 3 stunning beauties among dancers, tall, fit, moving like a wild cat, long hair, and desire in their eyes to separate me from all my money I ended up spending $100 on private dances, bought her a fresh juice and talked a bit.
I confirm that it is possible to take a girl out of the club for 3 hours for $300. I will definitely do it on one of my next visits to RIO. That night I also checked Buddha Bar, the place was full of hookers, they were not of my type. I have also checked three clubs in Arena-City: Darling, Solid Gold and Golden Nosorog, was not impressed, RIO is the best option.Thanks for sharing your experience!
BellBottomsDJ
05-13-17, 17:55
Do they not sell bottles of beer in those little market huts on the sidewalks anymore? Jeez. I have hit by 20-25 of those things in a 6 square block area and none of them had beer. 6 years ago every one of them had it. I am south of arena now near the Olimpiska metro and can't find anything. I haven't seen a liquor store or anything. I would like to chill on my balcony and have some beers and not pay 75 uah and sit in a bar when I want a beer. Am I missing something?. I saw a small grocery store / pharmacy, but I haven't gone in yet. Do they sell beer?
BellBottomsDJ
05-14-17, 08:09
Do they not sell bottles of beer in those little market huts on the sidewalks anymore? Jeez. I have hit by 20-25 of those things in a 6 square block area and none of them had beer. 6 years ago every one of them had it. I am south of arena now near the Olimpiska metro and can't find anything. I haven't seen a liquor store or anything. I would like to chill on my balcony and have some beers and not pay 75 uah and sit in a bar when I want a beer. Am I missing something?. I saw a small grocery store / pharmacy, but I haven't gone in yet. Do they sell beer?Never mind, I'm stupid. I found the jackpots.
I haven't been here for a while, but.
It looks like it's really happening: no more tourist visa restriction for EU counties for the Ukrainians from June (or is it July?) 1.
Just like Romanians and Bulgarians had been already working at FKKs before their work visa restriction in EU was lifted in 2014, I can see the Ukrainians flooding FKKs in the near future.
Indeed, German politicians may have lifted the restrictions so that they can f* the Ukrainians at FKKs, LOL.
I haven't been here for a while, but.
It looks like it's really happening: no more tourist visa restriction for EU counties for the Ukrainians from June (or is it July?) 1.
Just like Romanians and Bulgarians had been already working at FKKs before their work visa restriction in EU was lifted in 2014, I can see the Ukrainians flooding FKKs in the near future.
Indeed, German politicians may have lifted the restrictions so that they can f* the Ukrainians at FKKs, LOL.Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.
We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.
Do they not sell bottles of beer in those little market huts on the sidewalks anymore? Jeez. I have hit by 20-25 of those things in a 6 square block area and none of them had beer. 6 years ago every one of them had it. I am south of arena now near the Olimpiska metro and can't find anything. I haven't seen a liquor store or anything. I would like to chill on my balcony and have some beers and not pay 75 uah and sit in a bar when I want a beer. Am I missing something?. I saw a small grocery store / pharmacy, but I haven't gone in yet. Do they sell beer?It's against the law. A few years ago people didn't care about the law and the police didn't care about it. Just have a look at all the small shops in the metro stations. Most of them (about 500+) were demolished in 2016/2017 after many, many years. All of them were illegal. And it's also illegal to sell alcohol without a license. Even the supermarkets don't sell alcohol in the night anymore. Because the government has prohibited it. You can find this penomenon in Kiev, Lviv, Dnipro and and and.
Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.
We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.Reminds you that in 2013 Romanians and Bulgarians were working freely at FKKs despite the fact that it was still illegal for them.
When Romania and Bulgaria joined EU in 2007, there was a condition that they were not allowed to work in other EU countries. The condition was not lifted until 2014, as I understand.
Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.
We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.So my point is, if Romanians and Bulgarians were able to work illegally at FKKs in 2013, which was only 3. 5 years ago, then Ukrainians may be able to work illegally there as well today
Unless the law suddenly was tightened within the last 3. 5 years, like alcohol.
AColonizer
05-14-17, 15:59
I often read "lower prices" or "good prices". I often read about Ukraine and Germany.
First of all, the best way to get a Slavic woman was taught by masters a lot of years ago.
Instead now, there are a lot of advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls".
I say, the silly sentence "money is not a problem" caused very fierce women and very bad services: Western world should teach!
Moreover, the male mindset is dying out: I am sure just 1% men in world population knows what is sex, the sexual act technique, the free sex culture and the open-relationship respect.
Somebody talks about lower prices but with whom: old, fat and ugly gangbangers or nice girls "catch money and deceive customers"?
I met a group of US men in a strip club in Kiev, one of them said to me "you don't need to pay, you have the power! I think that's the same for most men!
Romanians and Bulgarians can work in Germany because Romania and Bulgaria is a part of the European Union. Even if they work als prostitutes. It's legal. Ukraine is no part of the European Union. That means: Ukrainians can't work legal. No "boss" of a big FKK will risk to employ a girl from the Ukraine. The rules are very strict and the penalties are high.
We do not live in the 1990s. Where all women from Eastern Europe came to Germany. For illegal work. The conditions have now become tougher. And the prices lower.
So my point is, if Romanians and Bulgarians were able to work illegally at FKKs in 2013, which was only 3. 5 years ago, then Ukrainians may be able to work illegally there as well today
Unless the law suddenly was tightened within the last 3. 5 years, like alcohol.No. It was always legal after Romania and Bulagaria joined the EU. Reason: A gap in the law. A fatal mistake. The EU didn't allow those people to work for the company of other people. It was impossible for them to sign a normal employment contract to work for Mercedes or McDonalds. But it was always allowed to work self-employed as a freelancer. Thousands and thousands of people used that gap in every kind of business. Prostitutes can only be self-employed. And this is the reason why so many girls came to Germany.
There is no "gap" for people (or prostitutes) from the Ukraine. They are not allowed to work in the EU. Not for somebody else and not self-employed as the girls from Romania or Bulgaria did. And this is the reason why they can't flood the fkk's. The fine is very high. Up to 500,000 euro for the fkk. Up to 5,000 euro for the girls.
Bad news for all users who found girls on VKontakte. By decree of president Poroshenko VKontakte (Odnoklassniki, Yandex) can be blocked on the territory of the Ukraine. Nothing about Mamba. But I guess it can be blocked, too:
http://www.president.gov.ua/documents/1332017-21850
https://www.rt.com/business/388502-ukraine-bans-vk-yandex/
I've been spending several days in Kiev mainly focused on apartment girls, now I want to try something different. In terms of quality of girls, would gia or rio be a better choice?
Cheers.NEITHER! Use mamba to find girls or go to Chi and pick girls there.
Also watch out for some members / posts, which read like they've been in Kiev and gave advice on how to.
Then, their following posts read like they've never been in Kiev before and started asking stupid question and making inquiries that only a newbie would.
It's so true what you wrote in the below post!
Just after I wrote that they are many advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls", there appeared a bunch of advertisers from apartment girls, RIO and pimps /tour guide posting preposterous posts. Watch out, unsuspecting mongers! Don't get suckered in.
I often read "lower prices" or "good prices". I often read about Ukraine and Germany.
First of all, the best way to get a Slavic woman was taught by masters a lot of years ago.
Instead now, there are a lot of advertisers about fake "good prices" and fake "good girls".
I say, the silly sentence "money is not a problem" caused very fierce women and very bad services: Western world should teach!
Moreover, the male mindset is dying out: I am sure just 1% men in world population knows what is sex, the sexual act technique, the free sex culture and the open-relationship respect.
Somebody talks about lower prices but with whom: old, fat and ugly gangbangers or nice girls "catch money and deceive customers"?
I met a group of US men in a strip club in Kiev, one of them said to me "you don't need to pay, you have the power! I think that's the same for most men!
Yes. This is true. But it is not known when these resources really stop their work in Ukraine.
President of Ukraine wants to look like a great patriot and makes populist steps. It's not very reasonable. I liked these resources. One of these girls I recently found on Odnoklassniki. She live 20 km near Kiev. We agreed to meet in Kiev for classic sex and BBBJ. But unfortunately she then changed her mind and said that she no longer needed my money. Then she wrote to me that this amount was not enough for her.
Her financial conditions seemed too high to me and I stopped talking to her.
This question comes up from time to time and before I went to Kiev, I have wondered about it myself.
Now that I have been and tried both, hands down it is Rio. I would not call Gia.
Rio will be a bit more expensive but per hour is cheaper and you know what you are getting. You are sure to find at least one stunner and that is all you need. Besides, it is a fun place to hang out. Classy joint. Decent music. You can't go wrong if you don't mind spending $350. Including entrance and drink. Go at 10:30 to 11 pm and pick before midnight.
I've been spending several days in Kiev mainly focused on apartment girls, now I want to try something different. In terms of quality of girls, would gia or rio be a better choice?
Cheers.
Don't worry. They won't care. You should have no issues. In fact, the door man will think you are a stud.
Another good thing about Kiev is that working girls, don't dress sleazy like in some parts of the world. They dress very nicely. As a girl next door going out to eat. And which to me is a huge plus and frankly a turn on.
So I am arriving in Kiev this week and I realized the apartment I rented has a 24 hour attendant on staff at the front door. This is not a hotel, but an apartment building. This may be awkward bringing new girls in and out day after day. Anyone else see this as a problem, or could they give a shit less? Again, this is an apartment building, not a hotel. And hopefully they have a back entrance or something to the effect.
Now that I have been and tried both, hands down it is Rio. I would not call Gia.
Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.
Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.
Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.
UrbanCowboy22
05-18-17, 15:45
Rio is still a decent option if you like strip clubs, you obviously see the girls beforehand, can speak with them, get a dance if you like, all with the possibility of take out. However I was slightly disappointed in the quality of girls on my last visit. Two years ago, in the summer, I found a petite brunette spinner by the name of Maya. Stunning face, gorgeous hair & a petite shapely body that only a teenager could possibly have. She had just turned 18, two months earlier & had been working at Rio for only one week. After a couple of private dances, I invited her back to my hotel, paid the $300. Upon arrival at my room, opened a bottle of champagne & put on some music. We started making out, (often depends on the girl, some girls won't kiss) removed her dress & panties & she was literally dripping wet. After a quick shower, we returned to the bed where unfortunately she didn't want to give a blowjob even with a cover but she proceeded to ride my cock almost nonstop for the next hour. We fucked in all kinds of positions, picked her up, put her on the desk then back to the bed, then to the counter in the bathroom. After an hour, we took a break to catch our breath, she spoke very little english so we communicated by google translator. I excused myself to the bathroom & decided to pop a Viagra pill just to gain some more stamina & get ready for another session. After about 30 minutes we fucked again. She stayed a little over 3 hours & actually left a little before 5 am. I am assuming the girls return to the club to collect their $ before going home. Unfortunately Maya is long gone. I returned to Rio in search of her but she has moved on. Not sure if any of you veterans on this board got to meet Maya but she was quite the firecracker! My experiences with Gia are rather limited but I have found the girls to look a bit older than their photos.
Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.
Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to prostitution. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from jaded.
Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of one Rio girl. I'm not a fan of Gia, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.
Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.
Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.
Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.Yes. I agree that Gia is much better than Rio. My Polish income does not allow me to constantly use the services of Gia. But I use my knowledge of Russian and my accent is very moderate-Many Ukrainians speak Russian with an accent or guys from the Caucasus-Georgia or Armenia. I recently fucked Polina for 4 000+CIM (hryvnia) per hour-this 160 USD. But if you are a guy who is clearly from the rich Western countries and does not speak absolutely in Russian then you can use only the English version and you will pay more-200 USD.
I say confidently that today Gia is the best agency in Eastern Europe. This quality and control. It's expensive, but in any case in the West it would be several times more expensive. Even in Poland. Secondly, I never had much trouble with the girls from Gia. They value their work and reputation.
For example, I really liked my experience with Polina. Not every girl in Rio will allow a man such a brutal hard sex. Rio is big money and big arrogance and in general Rio is the result of bad business. I do not understand how these guys from Rio can not in such a cheap, beautiful country create an excellent business? In Ukraine the most beautiful and cheap girls in Europe and in general the cheapest girls among the white nations! Why these guys can not create a normal business? I can understand if you have few beautiful women and they are very arrogant. If you have a country where most women are ugly and beautiful girls have huge ambitions. It's hard. I agree. But in Ukraine there is a huge amount of female material for choice and social standards are very low! This is bad business and very bad organization and bad management I think. So I do not like Rio.
But these girls from Rio do not really respect customers. For example, in Gia Marianna (girl) or Polina, they are submissive diligent girls who respect a man and want to please him in bed. Polina is very sweet and intelligent in communication, without arrogance and rudeness.
http://gia.la/girl/polina12
She does not have the option, "slave," but I allowed myself an extremely tough brutal sex. She did not show me that she did not like it. I could take her by the hair and slap her ass. I fucked her like a wild animal and she behaved very well. She has a child and cherishes her work. That I like her work and understanding of my brutal desires. She did everything with an understanding of my lustful fantasies. I sat down and began [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her in the mouth very deeply and rigidly-no problems. All for the client. I want to call her the dirtiest rough words like Pierre Woodman?-OK. No problems. All for the client.
I believe that this is correct. Then the agency finds good staff for the work. A good casting. She is one of the best in Blowjob and CIM in GIa.
I fed her with my sperm very abundantly and it was fucking cool. Anal I also liked. Maybe she was a little hurt but she was very patient and submissive.
Also I had a good and hard anal experience with a young Yulia. Very good CIM. I deliberately did not masturbate for several days before the meeting to get a powerful sperm fountain and excellent CIM. I paid for CIM 1000 hryvnia. It not a little but I was satisfied with. Nice service. The agency also often discounts. For example I fucked Rita three times for 3500. Now she also costs 3500.
For me, Gia is expensive, but if there is no free time for street work and clubs then GIA is a good choice. And GIA always dismisses girls if they are rude to the client. There rigid conditions of the contract.
Totally agree with you.
My first and only experience from GIA was phenomenal. Picked a one of the girls that had a running special and she was exactly like her pictures. Cost me only $100 for an hour (Outcall to my hotel so I think it was an extra $10 or so for a taxi) and I got the whole alphabet aside from Greek. Maybe I got lucky who knows but all I can say is that if it worked once especially for the first time then that, in my book, is a good thing.
Sadly though, she's not on their page anymore.
The whole experience trumps what I am used to in the US for a fraction of the cost. Hell, a girl of her caliber in the States would be at least $400-$500 in most major cities aside from the ones in Texas.
If I could live in Ukraine I would.
Not trying to sound like I'm some sort of stud but out of the two times I was there I had so many dates set up with non working girls I had to turn some down. Here in the States I can't score a date for the life of me.
So yeah, despite all the haters of Ukraine talking about e good ole days long gone, it is still significantly easier to score super hot action whether you're paying for it or not.
Just my two sense.
I'll be back for sure.
Disagree strongly. The cost of Rio can be upwards of four hundred plus when you factor all expenses. CBJ by a girl that wants to run back and get another customer ASAP. Not all girls are open to takeout. The few stunners I've seen in the place were decoys.
Here's the thing about Rio, years ago, it was the first stop for the countryside girls that turned to hooking. You could find fresh faces that treated you like a boyfriend because they knew nothing else. It's what Little Joe was trying to shill here years ago. But that's difficult to exploit unless you frequent the club regularly and can differentiate the new from the jaded.
Gia offers discounts. You can nail almost three girls daytime with BBBJ for the price of a Rio girl. I'm not a fan of the agency, but they do have a quality control. You're way more likely to get fucked in the wrong way at Rio.
LOL. Totally agree.
I've been all over the world mongering all over the world and by far the women in Eastern Europe are by far the hottest with SE Asians being a relatively close second.
I've been to Ukraine twice in the last year and I had so many dates set up in a two week time span (all between 8 and 10's) that I had to stand some of them up.
And those are just girls I met randomly while I was there.
As for working girls, I used GIA and got a easy 8 girl for $100. She looked exactly like her pictures so I have no reason to doubt the legitimacy of any of their girls. And if that is any indication, you can easily get 9 or 10 quality girls on that website for at most, $250 US short time.
So I have absolutely no idea where all the negativity is coming from with all the posts as of late. Ukraine is a thousand times better than here in the US. Where you have to pay 2 to 3 times as much to get a 6 or a 7 and ridiculous amounts to even think about anything higher than a 7.Yes. Totally agree. I am not an expert in the situation in the US (sex market). But I think that you objectively like an American evaluate the advantages of Ukraine. Despite all the shortcomings of Ukraine, it's still a good country for sex adventures. Such as Marina (in photos). This is not a tall girl 8-10 with long legs, yes, But where else can I hard and brutally fuck a white girl 25 years in anal for $ 25? I do not think that in Europe there are such countries.
The next 10-15 years ukraine will be in the process of transformation and crisis and war with russia and therefore poverty will be and unemployment also. So damn these 10 years you need to use to fuck these Ukrainian chickens. Someday Ukraine will become such a boring country like Poland or Slovakia and our hard animal cheap sex will end. The psychology and mentality of Ukrainian girls will also change. Now for example, I sometimes can in the cafe pat the inner side of the girl's thigh. (my new friend Tania, 19 y). And then my fingers touched her panties between her legs. It was our second date at the cafe. The first time I met her on the Sumskaya street near the central park in Kharkov. We just met but she ran about her business and just left me her number. The next day I was already stroking her leg gently from the inside and touching her panties. And she was a good firm 8/10.
However, in addition to the financial gift, she ate several expensive dishes in the cafe, but unfortunately this is the property of Ukrainian chickens-they are often hungry and like to eat at the expense of men. This is a national trait. But I took,revenge, on her by the fact that during sex I grabbed her head and finished it in her mouth. Maybe it was brutal on my part but she submitted to me. And I filled her mouth with sperm. I showed her that I was a male) There was no scandal and everything was fine. This mentality can also in the future change and become more feminist as in the West.
But now I'm using this historic moment for a good fucking.
AntonySun1996
05-20-17, 21:06
I've been looking through this post for a few weeks and it seems that few people have talked about sponsorship in detail. I know it's possible to find such girls on mamba, but how? I've checked many mamba profiles and none of them says "looking for sponsors". Or can I just write to random girls and ask if they need sponsors? This seems ineffective and rude. Could you guys tell me something about the detailed procedures? And can I find such girls elsewhere other than Mamba?
Cheers.
George 6969
05-22-17, 21:21
I had been to Kiev and the Ukraine very often, starting from the old River Palace times, followed by Avalon. Both closed now. On my recent trips I was going home alone too often. Shooters is a hit and miss, Skybar empty at least when I had been there and Buddha Bar had been good for a civilized drink, but not for uncivilized hobbies. Even 3 years ago, you would find some gems in the bar area, but now nobody.
I disklike Escort Services, because I want to see the lady upfront. Where can I go now? Please give me a tip, because I have to go to Kiev next week. I run through the posts of the last 6 months, but could not find a solution.
I am looking for a nice bar / disco / nightclub like Nightlight in Moscow or River Palace or 111 in the old times. Or are they all history and I have to live with my memories.
I can't remember how exactly I met her but it was somewhere on the internet. I added her to my VK and we started talking. She is just 19,5'6, brown hair and a perfect body with large breasts for a slim girl. Her name is Sofia and she is originally from a village. Sofia told me she is studying something somewhere here in Kyiv and works for some internet company who asks her to sit in her underwear in front of a webcam and chat with men from all over.
I've been living in Kyiv on and off for 3 years and I recently became single and decided to have some fun. I'm in my early 40's but look 10-years younger most of the time. I asked Sofia if she wanted a sponsor and she said she did. I offered her 1,500 UAH for two hours together and she agreed. It wasn't the first time I've sponsored a teenage university student. I met her at my metro station near the center. We walked and talked for a bit and finally arrived at my flat both in a good mood. She was wearing a tight, grey dress that showed her curves with white sneakers. After a glass of Jameson each we started making out and spent a please two hours together. She was pretty shy at first but after giving each other oral sex she loosened up and I had my way with her. After laying together and chatting for some time she unexpectedly began playing with my manhood and it sprung back to life. To be honest, I am a one and done kind of guy, but she worked her magic and I bend her over and gave to her again, reaching under and squeezing those immaculate teen tits. Afterwards I walked her to the metro station and we kissed goodbye. I squeezed her tight ass, promising to meet again this weekend.
Later that evening I walked over to a Silpo near my flat to get some groceries. There is another university student working there who stocks alcohol shelves and also helps if you have any questions, which is how I've befriended her. Her name is Ira and she is 21, studies at the nearby economic university and can speak a little English. She is pleasant and while she isn't as pretty as Sofia, her body is just as amazing, thought differently proportioned. I always see her in tight pants and she walks wonderfully with her little ass cheeks bulging in rotation in her jeans as she steps. Interestingly she had a slight camel toe rocking in her faded, tight pants tonight. She chided me for the length of time between my visits to her there. Anyway, I've added her to my VK recently and will soon see if she is girlfriend or sponsorship material. Regardless, I want to get her naked in my flat soon. Stay tuned!
I've been looking through this post for a few weeks and it seems that few people have talked about sponsorship in detail. I know it's possible to find such girls on mamba, but how? I've checked many mamba profiles and none of them says "looking for sponsors". Or can I just write to random girls and ask if they need sponsors? This seems ineffective and rude. Could you guys tell me something about the detailed procedures? And can I find such girls elsewhere other than Mamba?
Cheers.In advanced search there is an option under sexual preferences. If you check "looking for sponsor" you can filter them out. This option is not visible in mobile webpage, it's visible in desktop version.
Nice to see some counter arguments favoring Gia. Though my expreience was bad, it does not mean that it is always like that and others may like it for other reasons.
I did call in afternoon. I asked and they did not offer any discounts. As a matter of fact, I told them to tell me who is avaible and I will choose one from them. I do that with escort agnencies in hopes that it reduces bait and switch. That was not to be the case. They asked for full price and sent a 6 who looked nothing like the photographs. I sincelry hope others have better luck.
Odessa in early to mid September.
As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.
And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?
Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.
Odessa in early to mid September.
As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.
And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?
Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.University in Ukraine begins on September the 1st. Most students arrive in late August, at least they do in Kyiv.
LuisVega11
05-24-17, 21:55
Odessa in early to mid September.
As most of you that have read my report known that I had a great time in Keiv few weeks ago. I'm planning a return trip but this time I'm thinking of doing four days in Odessa in early to mid-September and couple of days in Kiev. My question is this: When do universities start classes? I don't want to miss out in the semi pro chicks that need to go back to school.
And in general, is that a good time to visit Odessa? I heard July. August is peak season. Does it dry up fast in September?
Sorry about the double post. This thread gets more attention and I need to book soon. Thanks.The post would be interesting with some photos. 9 and 10 that cost 2000 gryvna in Kiev not exist or at least my 9 and 10. It could be nice see some image.
Hello all,
First-timer to this forum, or actually I did read some threads here without signing up during my visit to South-east Asia, but didn't put any of it into action.
Did a trip to Riga earlier this year, and forgot to check this forum. Got tricked by a online ad, the woman changed her photos and I saw it was the same woman so I stupidly believed that it was safe. It was her in the photos all right, but old photos. My guess 7-8 years ago, but I was too new in this game to send her away. Sex wasn't good either, but luckily I can look back at it now and laugh about it as a weird experience.
Kiev up next! First time in Kiev so I will do a lot of tourist activities, but I do want to spice it up with some more action too.
Can't say I have read the whole thread, but enough to get several people's opinions about Rio, Gia and more. Have gotten Andrei's number.
Please, feel free to PM me with any contacts you are willing to share and I will be very grateful. I don't speak either Ukrainian not Russian so good preparation is a must for me.
Thanks all, and I will a write a report from my trip when I return home.
DramaFree11
05-25-17, 03:45
I would take it a step further there are no 7, 8, 9 or 10. They are just not available to tourist anymore. You need a lot of local knowledge, to meet attractive girls, even then it is extremely difficult.
MagicSheep74
05-25-17, 07:08
Hello all,
First-timer to this forum, or actually I did read some threads here without signing up during my visit to South-east Asia, but didn't put any of it into action.
Did a trip to Riga earlier this year, and forgot to check this forum. Got tricked by a online ad, the woman changed her photos and I saw it was the same woman so I stupidly believed that it was safe. It was her in the photos all right, but old photos. My guess 7-8 years ago, but I was too new in this game to send her away. Sex wasn't good either, but luckily I can look back at it now and laugh about it as a weird experience.
Kiev up next! First time in Kiev so I will do a lot of tourist activities, but I do want to spice it up with some more action too.
Can't say I have read the whole thread, but enough to get several people's opinions about Rio, Gia and more. Have gotten Andrei's number.
Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.
If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else.
Interesting city though, with lots to see.
OK, thanks. I will not get my expectations up too much in regards of the women.
Hello all,
Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.
If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else.
Interesting city though, with lots to see.
Member #4722
05-25-17, 22:27
Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.
My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.
I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls.
Also one very important thing for me in my mongering hunts is to not let the girls try and take advantage of me. I let them know right off the bat that I'm not rich and just a normal guy that's into traveling. It's the truth, I have to save up for a long time to afford to travel the way I do (I have a decent budget for this trip so if my plans fall through I can meet with a GIA or RIO girl at a higher rate once or twice). I rarely get these requests to help financially, I have one girl I have been friends with for four years that I met on my first visit. I bring her a few small gifts that she asks for. But in a recent Whatsapp exchange she asked me for a $300 T-shirt when I visit. I shot that shit down real quick!
Also wanted to mention that, yes, working Mamba like this takes some time. But anything good in life takes some work. It's not TOO hard of work to look through profiles of hot Ukranians and think which of these girls I might fuck soon. I think that if you put in the time in advance that you will have the most success in Kiev. I had a friend take some pictures of me all around town last week so I have some good current profile pics. Also I plan on using Tinder on this trip my buddy scored off it with zero effort last trip (she wasn't good looking but she bought HIM drinks all day and fucked him silly).
Also when I meet with a lady I always treat it like a real date. Try to impress even if you are paying for her time. I always treat the ladies with respect (without being a pushover) and in all my worldwide travels I rarely have to worry about a blowjob with condom or lack of DFK. It's definitely not what I'm looking for but have had BBFS on more than one occasion when it happens in the heat of the moment. I would never recommend this and always got tested soon afterwards, but it feels so fucking good and it really pays to treat the ladies well and like a real human being (not a hooker).
LuisVega11
05-25-17, 23:37
I would take it a step further there are no 7, 8, 9 or 10. They are just not available to tourist anymore. You need a lot of local knowledge, to meet attractive girls, even then it is extremely difficult.I disagree but you need a lot of skill, a solid day game and time. And most of all credibility, do something that give you accreditation to their eyes.
I went last time 2 weeks, fuck not a lot but make solid contact with high quality student and girl with good family mostly. Next time I will pick the fruit of the work but you need time, go back often.
I think 7 and 8 can be had also paying but is not that easy.
By the way I once has been presented to that guide. He showed me some photos of girls available. I saw a bunch of 6 7 maximum. The problem is that without photo you can have a solid 9 for you, even considering that a 6 7 in Kiev well dressed with high heels can be easily a 9 in USA. Anyway important is having fun.
But I said this because those kind of post will only inflate market.
I have a superb friend I would consider her 10 attitude but 5 6 maximum, mostly for he got a bit fat due to lifestyle, but attitude is superb. She'is really a girl who love me and I like her. We had such relation that if he's busy at Hyatt with rich man, and I sent a message to her just to say I'm in Kiev, she leave him and come to meet just to hug and say Hello,. Well, that said, this girl last month earned more than 5000 dollar. With high end tourist let her sleep in Hyatt and paying her 500 dollar night.
LuisVega11
05-25-17, 23:44
Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.
My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.
I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls..Forget online game. Is a scam, low quality. Built a good style, dress well, understand their mentality more than spending money. Sure if you have 4 days go to rio or gia, no waste time.
I have a friend from Ukraine. He has literally zero gryvna, but he is super guy, funny I like his company. It's like my son, I pay all for him because I feel like doing this, not a lot just some money here and there. But what he teach me everyday is more important that this little sum.
He literally a master in stopping girl, and most of all stop girl in really strong way. I always told him that if h behaves like that in Europe everybody would kill him. But I am fascinated by his manner. They look offensive, but at the end girl, clearly not gold digger style, respect and like him. Overtime I arrive in Kiev, first week aim kind of shy or some girl told me, then after some day mongering with him I become behaving like Ukraine. Strong approach, direct, touching end after a bit.
My suggest find a good Ukraine mate, good looking, maybe help him financially, I'm talking of 100 200 gryvan day and learn how to behave with Ukraine girl. I want add that this guy never asked me anything, it's me who considering he not have money find good to help him, as I said is kind of father son relation.
Maybe it's not easy to get models in Kiev but I have spent about 12 days there over two trips and I never had too many problems finding attractive ladies to spend time with. I generally like EE women so that probably bumps my rating numbers up at least one point right there across the board when I am in Kiev (numeric ratings are so subjective it's barely worth mentioning them here). I am a decent looking and confident guy so I am sure that helps. What I like about Kiev is that for around $100 I can normally get a girl to spend a few hours with me. I like to have drinks and get to know the girl on first meeting and that helps to build some chemistry. You just can't do that here in the US as providers are watching their clock down to the minute. I have found that the girls in Kiev will also be down to extend the date for dinner or clubbing (of course this costs money but at that point it's just like a real date) without straight out paying them for "their time". Try getting a good looking escort for a dinner date in the US - that is going to cost you LOTS of money. I would never pay for time spent like that with the exception of normal food/drinks.
My strategy for this summer is for the last two months I have been collecting profiles off Mamba into my "favorites" folder (couple hundred already maybe). If it's somebody I think is real interesting I try to write them immediately and get their number. But mostly I am just waiting for two weeks out from my trip to send e-mails. I will break them off into multiple categories. For those looking for a sponsor I will be more direct about money for sex. For those that have sex in their profile or looking for an older guy I will be a little less direct but still forward. Then for the ones that look like "normal" girls just see if they will meet for drink / coffee / lunch / dinner. Also will have messages translated and ready to copy / paste for those that don't list English. My plan is to get some P4P early in the day and try to date some MILFs 30+ at night for some freebies and some good company.
I know a lot of guys on here are obsessed with youth looks and I get it. I find a lot of different things about women attractive and I have a lot of different types I am interested in. Even the average looking girls in Kiev are the ones charging $250-300 here in US and there is normally always drama with these girls..Absolutely agree with you friend. I never show superiority because I'm from Europe. You need to be simple cheerful and positive. And money is just a small pleasant surprise. A girl in Ukraine should not feel like a prostitute and a sperm swallower. I also often do not discuss intimate details before the meeting. A few days ago I finished in the mouth of beautiful Oksana 21 year old with long legs and white beautiful skin. It happened spontaneously. I asked her to suck my cock a bit during a hard fuck in different positions. But then my excitement was great and I did not I was able to contain my cum. While I was holding her by the hair. It was damn nice. But But I did not write her boring phrases about what she should do and for what kind of money, we generally met on Kharkov street. Like some guys from Europe who write -you should swallow my sperm, or other. The girl is ready to suck their dick and even swallow cum but then she thinks - "hell Come on, this American does not respect me. I will not sleep with him. , and often so.
Thanks for the great post amigo. I hope someday we will drink beer together in Kiev or Kharkov) God bless USA!
Harry Hardman
05-26-17, 12:02
I SECOND YOUR VIEWS of Kiev from early last year till now. I agree completely from experience. Nothing has changed.
If anything, it's gotten more difficult and more expensive.
Couldn't put in any better myself: "There is very little happening. For purely mongering it is hard work with little reward. ".
Great advise: "If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else. ".
Hello all,
First-timer to this forum, or actually I did read some threads here without signing up during my visit to South-east Asia, but didn't put any of it into action.
Did a trip to Riga earlier this year, and forgot to check this forum. Got tricked by a online ad, the woman changed her photos and I saw it was the same woman so I stupidly believed that it was safe. It was her in the photos all right, but old photos. My guess 7-8 years ago, but I was too new in this game to send her away. Sex wasn't good either, but luckily I can look back at it now and laugh about it as a weird experience.
Kiev up next! First time in Kiev so I will do a lot of tourist activities, but I do want to spice it up with some more action too.
Can't say I have read the whole thread, but enough to get several people's opinions about Rio, Gia and more. Have gotten Andrei's number.
Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.
If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else.
Interesting city though, with lots to see.
John Corey
05-27-17, 23:44
First, a big shoutout to Vitera for all his help and posts. After two days with an excellent guide, Andreii, who introduced me to amazing private apartments, I have found the Kiev experience to be underwhelming. I had read about the beauty of Ukrainian women but they are nowhere as beautiful as their Russian counterparts or Brazilian women in So Paulo or the south of Brazil. The women in Kiev have a lot of tude, one informed me today "I have a biometric passport and can travel all over Europe". It has been an interesting trip sightseeing and going to different clubs but anyone coming just for mongering is better served by looking at alternative options. Caveat Emptor applies in a big way here. I had three wonderful encounters but they did not come at a discounted price as some expect or have written in previous reports.
Happy hunting.
Hello all,
This morning I was sending messages to chicks and suddenly I took this message ' your IP Address have been blocked ' now I can't enter my mamba account even though I have VIP membership.
So what can I do for this problem?
Could you help me please? I need your recommends.
Happy hunting.
Jonathan Pine
05-28-17, 11:02
Can girls in Donetsk and Luhansk also get Ukrainian passports to travel to Europe without visa?
Kyiv is amazing in spring. The streets are flooded with beauties now. Having dinner with some friends last night when I saw two girls working on Prospekt Peremohy near the Shuliavska Metro station, very near iL Molino. One was OK and the other was surprisingly attractive. At first, I thought maybe they were hitchhiking but after observing them for some time from the café, it was apparent they were working girls. That area, especially if one can speak a little Russian, is a great place to meet university girls as KPI is very near. I've met a few in that area in the past, especially in the park around the university. Great place to take a girl for a walk, too. This isn't an area tourists ever go to but locals know about it.
I got a lot of negative PM's from members about my last post not wanting to hear about sponsoring girls but about strip clubs and the quality of girls at Rio and if Rio is any good etc. As I never go to strip clubs, for a variety of reasons, I have no opinion to share so I will stop posting about sponsorship and how I meet these girls and just about things I see in around the city of interest to our hobby or any girls who are online and obviously trouble.
Horny Monger
05-28-17, 17:06
First, a big shoutout to Vitera for all his help and posts. After two days with an excellent guide, Andreii, who introduced me to amazing private apartments, I have found the Kiev experience to be underwhelming. I had read about the beauty of Ukrainian women but they are nowhere as beautiful as their Russian counterparts or Brazilian women in So Paulo or the south of Brazil. The women in Kiev have a lot of tude, one informed me today "I have a biometric passport and can travel all over Europe". It has been an interesting trip sightseeing and going to different clubs but anyone coming just for mongering is better served by looking at alternative options. Caveat Emptor applies in a big way here. I had three wonderful encounters but they did not come at a discounted price as some expect or have written in previous reports.
Happy hunting.That's right. Ukrainian beauty is overly exaggerated on this thread!
Can girls in Donetsk and Luhansk also get Ukrainian passports to travel to Europe without visa?Absolutely not. If they have a 2014 or earlier passport (non-biometric) they would need to apply for a visa. In doing so, they'd have to provide an address amongst other details and would certainly be denied if they were living in the rebel occupied territory.
Hi, reading here and there, I think it's crazy expensive 300 dollars to take a girl home.
Ok it's not a night long, but here in Italy you can spend less for a hq escort.
What about apartments? How's the service and prizes?
And how can you find them?
Hi, reading here and there, I think it's crazy expensive 300 dollars to take a girl home.
Ok it's not a night long, but here in Italy you can spend less for a hq escort.
What about apartments? How's the service and prizes?
And how can you find them?Try google for apartments. I used to use uaapartments or kievrent. Always get a central apartment close to kreshatik, that way don't need to take taxis and easy for girls to come to you.
Jonathan Pine
05-30-17, 11:17
Please don't be discouraged by negative comments. There are some of us that love your reports on sponsoring girls, dating normal girls as opposed to Rio which has been talked about ad nauseum.
I've enjoyed your writing.
Greetings,
I recently had a trip to Kiev and Odessa over March and April. I was there twice over a period of 2 months, for a total of 23 days. My previous trip was 10 months ago. I will have to disagree with the naysayers here. If you do your homework and if you go relatively often, the more often the better, you can still have a fantastic time for a relatively low price.
Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.
My general philosophy.
Briefly, in my opinion, an airport bus is preferable to a taxi, an apartment is better to a hotel, and the much talked about Rio is too expensive. If I were willing to pay 300 USD, I would just stay at home. On top of the usual venues (bars, clubs, cafes, and the street), I shall add conventions (there are many, some to your interest, and maybe you can get your employer to pay for your trip), English teaching forums, and when the weather is favourable, beaches and parks.
Some rookie mistakes from the past.
Adjust to the new reality. -First timers might have some trouble adjusting to the fact that, unlike women back in your country, women always try to look their best, are not offended by male attention, and can be had for a reasonable price. When you arrive in Kiev, do not be constrained by behavioural norms of feminist-dominated societies. Feel free to approach women, to propose to them, to chat with them, to look, to make eye contact, to smile, to act like a man.
Do not go to her place. - By the time you get there and find the place, you have wasted an hour or two, the taxi driver has ripped you off, and the girl might be disappointing. Nevertheless, might decide that you have already spent so much time and money that you will agree to anything (Concorde fallacy).
Send her home if she is not even close to "her" photo. - Some girls have photos from 10 years ago. Others do not even bother, and post photos from internet nude models. A new trend I noticed was that the online photos were similar, or with the face blurred, but they were willing to send you the real photos to viber or whatsup. It makes sense. They do not want their photos online for everyone to see.
Do not be persuaded by ONLY a pretty face or a good body. -Make sure you see both types of photos. Otherwise, you might get a pretty girl with a weigh problem, or a slim girl with a garish face.
Do not agree to anything without talking specifics. -One of the fun aspects of dealing with pros and semi-pros is that you can be open about sex, what she likes, what she will do, and for how much. If you both are already naked, it is probably too late to find out that she will not kiss, give head only with a rubber, will not allow you to touch this or that, etc. If you want to gamble, you can try a non-pro.
Do pay, as agreed, but only after the deed. -All the negotiation in the world is pointless if you give her the money and she decides not to provide everything that was agreed upon. Most of us would probably not forcibly take the money back from a girl. Some girls will agree to half now and half later, and others will be happy if you just put the money on a table, for her to pick up after the fact. It shows that you at least have the money. It will also show to her that you are not some idiot who is doing this for the first time.
Do not drink too much, and do take performance enhancing drugs, just in case. If it is okay for the Olympics and the Tour de France, it is okay for the Olympic Tour of Ukraine. I do not need them unless I am tired or I have been drinking, and sometimes I am and I have, particularly on these trips. Take them, just in case.
Do use an apartment, not a hotel. - Cheaper, no hassles, etc. As many others have written, you do not want some fat guys in suits regulating who gets to go into your room If there is something wrong with the apartment, do not wait too long until the problem is fixed. Switch quickly. I had a water problem once (no water), and ended up wasting an entire day waiting for them to repair it. It is easy enough to go to the Partnerhouse office (Baseina 19) and ask the girls to find you an apartment. By the way, you should find some excuse to go the office: the girls are amazingly beautiful and sexy. It goes to show you the true beauty of average Ukrainian girls.
Use public transport when feasible. - Negotiate with the taxis. A 50 UAH fare is a quarter of the way to the airport, not 2 blocks.
Avoid the scammers. - girls who want to meet you at a restaurant of their choice. Or, play along with them, meet them at the restaurant, and then tell them that you want another restaurant (McDonalds) and walk out.
Preparation.
As usual, I had done a lot of preliminary work both scouting some pro sites (top models, GIA, backpage and others), and actually making contacts on dating and semi-pro sites (lucky lovers, Elena's models, mamba, Badoo, Tinder). The pro sites carry some of the same pros, and the non-pros are also found in several sites. All the supposedly non-pro dating sites are littered with pros. I found backpage to be particularly useful because the ads are placed daily, so you know that they are current.
I was interested in the whole range, from potential marriage material to just really good sex (actually, you cannot have the former without the latter). I was open to meeting full-time pros, semi-pros and hard core amateurs, if there is such a beast.
I do not go as often as in the old days, but I still had some previous girls that I knew would deliver, and some that I really wanted but just missed last time around. Of course, I also kept working on new girls.
Language.
Yes, language is a huge problem. I do not know how they were able to host the Euro cup. On the other hand, the slightly smarter and more ambitious girls ARE trying to learn, so you can always offer free lessons. The teachers are hardly qualified. One of them did not know what I meant when I texted her "what is up?
Long term relationships?
As much of a romantic as I am, I have found that thinking about LTRs is almost a complete waste of time. This opinion was reinforced on this double trip. I had a long list of young women to meet, several of whom I had even talked to on Skype, but once I arrived, these girls were nowhere to be found. They were on vacation; they were offended by the fact that I was not there to meet only them, or they were just too busy to meet. In one case, in the 3 weeks since I had last talked to her, a girl had found herself a possible Turkish boyfriend. She had not even met him yet. We had a great time, but she said that she was a "one man at a time" kind of girl. Sure, probably the only such girl in Ukraine. One wasted afternoon was not too much to waste, I suppose, and she did give me a nice tour of the city and I did not spend much. Two girls I had contacted did not speak any English, or, actually, no other languages besides Russian and Ukrainian. Two others clearly were not interested in anything besides an expensive dinner. One was actually a working girl, who declared "I meet men for money only", so we did.
One was interesting. She stated in the first 10 minutes that she was not attracted to me. We proceeded to have a great conversation for nearly an hour, and she insisted on paying for her own meal and drinks. I was very impressed! It is the first time a Kiev girl had not only offered, but had actually insisted on paying for her own food and drinks. She called me three days later and wanted to meet again "to practice her English". Again, she paid for her own drinks, but was clearly changing her mind about me. I kept teasing her about being too old and ugly for her. The second time I returned, about a month later, we met a third time. This time, she let me pay, and she later paid me back the way only a woman can. She met me one more time, completely for free this time, but even at the end, she insisted that she did not want a relationship with me. I feel as if she used me for sex!
So, all these girls claim to want a serious relationship, but are not really willing to play the game. It might work if you put all your eggs on one basket and come to visit only one girl, or better, if you take her to a vacation somewhere else. They really like that, but why would I, when I can have a dozen girls here for the same price.
TRANSPORTATION.
I arrived in the early afternoon, exchanged 10 Euro (ONLY) at the airport, got a sim card from a pretty girl, and took the bus to the metro station for 50 UAH. That is the cheapest airport shuttle I have ever seen. The busses are much nicer that the last time I visited. The shuttle can also go all the way to the trait station for 80 UAH. The shorter trip is better because latter part of the trip can be painfully slow during rush hour. The metro is much faster. As soon as I got of the bus, on my way to the metro, some idiot did attempted the "drop wad of cash" scam on me.
I then took the metro, for 4 UAH. Again, the cheapest metro I have ever seen. Actually, that is 1/1000th of the price of your monthly wages here, so back home, that is $4 to $8, so about the same. The same logic works for the Airport Shuttle. Back to the metro, the tracks were built to serve as bomb shelters, so they are very deep. The escalator ride takes several minutes, so it you position yourself beside a hot babe, you might have time to extract her phone number and set up a date during the ride down (or up).
I got off the metro and walked to the apartment. They were waiting for me. I dropped my stuff and went out to (1) exchange more money, (2) buy some necessities like basic food and drinks, toothpaste and toothbrushes, mouthwash and some girly stuff (it is good to be considerate). I came back and decided to go for a walk and enjoy the sights.
WEB SITES.
As I said, Gia is my upper end, and I avoided it this time. However, the photos are real, and the service is good. Currently, they have lots of young girls, and one of the older ones (Regina) has returned. Variety is the key to a good life. Prices start at 3000 UAH, half of which goes to the agency.
Top models is tricky. I imagine the ones asking for 2000 UAH and more are real, but if I were willing to pay that much, I would rather go with Gia. I did not even try anything under 600 UAH. Most of the photos are fake, even if it says they are real. They do not speak English, even if it says they do. They often disconnect or double the price the moment they realize you do not speak Russian. However, after a lot of trial and error, and stern warnings that girls with fake photos will be sent home, it is possible to get some good girls. Just use some common sense. If the photos look like they are from professional models, then they probably are. If there are several girls with the same number, then it probably an agency and they will just send you any girl, not the one you wanted. I tried for girls in the middle (range 600-1500 UAH), with a variety of photos in different settings, and not from agencies. I figured the ones with their faces blurred are more likely to be real. I asked to send me photos or warned them that final approval would happen when we meet. I ended up meeting a few cuties that in their photos, looked like real girls.
Mamba turned out to be a good source. Lots of pros, semi-pros and girls thinking that they can meet someone special from a far-away land. It is easy to pick the pros. They are the ones that are looking for sex, with anyone 60 or younger. I met several beauties, young and not so young, but all relatively good.
Backpage was also useful. The main benefit there is that the ads are placed daily, so you know that they are current.
Tinder was another possibility. Unlike in North America, the girls are so hot that you never have to swipe left. I just "liked" everyone and waited for positive replies. I got two regular girls, both of whom I met, and several pros.
Badoo gives you a proximity indicator. I did not have time to waste, so I "liked" everyone". Unfortunately, I got most replies form women I should have "unliked". Nevertheless, there were a few exceptions, from both professionals and supposedly amateurs. None of these contacts materialized. Yet.
I suggest you buy the premium service for whatever site you find most useful. You do not want the site to put limits on your number of contacts per day. Every day is valuable when you are on a trip.
It is funny that in Kiev, it is easier to get sex at 4:00 am Than at 4:00 pm Except for real pros, girls have regular jobs, so the earliest you can usually book a date is 6:00 pm.
MONEY.
While I was there, the USD was at about 26 UAH, and the Euro at about 28. Oddly, there was little variation between places. I usually found a difference of 0. 50 UAH on any given day. Also, the rate at the airport was the SAME as the rate in the centre. I usually exchange a small amount at the airport, but this time, it was an unnecessary precaution.
When I left, I almost got stuck with a significant amount of UAH in my pocket. Everyone is willing to take USD or Euros, but it is a lot more difficult to find places that will give them out. Maybe it was too early in the morning.
PRICES.
Prices have been discussed at length here before. The price for sex across the world is set at: (1) one day's wages, (2) ten times the price of a haircut, (3) the price of your hotel room, or (4) the price of 3 dates.
In Kiev, GIA, which is my high-end range, which starts at 3000 UAH, and half of that goes to the house. Your average cashier girl makes barely 4000 UAH per month. A bank teller, secretary, nurse, or any other seemingly "professional" person will make up to 8000 UAH. So, that is 1000 to 2000 UAH per week, and 200-400 UAH per day. The price for foreigners is at least twice the price for locals.
No, not all hot girls fly to Dubai and only work two weeks per year. No, not all hot girls have rich sponsors. Donetsk is deserted, but Kiev is well populated by hundreds of thousands beautiful women. Just go for a walk on the street or take the metro sometime!
Of course, we could easily pay 2000 UAH to 4000 UAH per hour, but it is not just the money. First, you want the girl to come back, and she will not return if she already earned one month's wages in one hour. They just do not think ahead that far; she will assume that she find another idiot and get another massive payoff next month. Second, you want the girl to respect you. If she thinks you are a loser she can exploit, she will not give you good service. Third, I like it if the girl at least likes me a little; that she might want to have sex with someone like me even if she did not needed the money. I like to think of the money as just an added incentive, not the only incentive. Fourth, you do not know what sort of service you will get until after the fact. A playboy bunny for 5000 UAH might be a really bad experience, but by the time you find out, it is too late. Finally, after you remove the expensive dress, the fancy nails, and the heavy make-up, there is not much of a difference between a 5000 UAH hardened pro and a 1000-2000 UAH sweet student or a young hard-working single mother. Actually, the latter two will probably give you a much better experience.
In the USA, porn actresses get between $800 and $1,000 per scene, with top performers earning up to $2000. In the UK, the mean advertised rate for pros is 103 GBP per hour, about 10 times the price of a (normal) haircut, the price of a (good?) hotel room, one day's wages, or the price of 3 (cheap?) dates.
In Ukraine, you should never pay more than 2000 UAH unless you are allowed to take a video. I think we agreed that about 1000 UAH is a fair price. My range during this trip was 800 to 2000 UAH. Locals pay 500 UAH and less. Please do not overpay!
Minor scams to avoid.
Girls often offer and insist upon TWO hours, as if anyone can have sex for that long.
Why would anyone agree to pay for TWO hours? The time from intromission to ejaculation is about 6 minutes (mean of 5. 7 and median of 6 minutes, with a range from 33 seconds to 52 minutes). By the way, the median for Turkish men is the lowest, at 3. 7 minutes, significantly lower than that of the other countries (Waldinger et al. 2005. A multinational population survey of intravaginal ejaculation latency time. J. Sex. Med. 2: 492-497. . AND. 2009. A five-nation survey to assess the distribution of the intravaginal ejaculatory latency time among the general male population. J Sex Med. 6: 2888-2895). Even with some foreplay and the girls taking 10 minutes in the bathroom, 30 minutes ought to be enough for 90% of men, and one hour definitely enough for 99% of men.
Another stupid scam is the taxi. The quote their price and then add "plus taxi"! Why separate the taxi? Why not give me an itemized list for transportation, make-up, shoes, clothing, etc? I tell them I do not care how they get here as long as they make it at the agreed-upon time. To make things worse, they usually want 200 UAH for the taxi! Where are they coming from? Boryspol? I tell them to be good girls and use the metro like everyone else. I take the metro, which during the day is probably faster than any taxi. I also offer to send "my driver" to pick them up, a suggestion for which they have no answer.
Finally, I also hate the foreign currency scam. Why would they quite prices in a foreign currency? And nice round numbers too: $100 or $200. I counter with local currency, and a nice, round number: 1000 UAH.
Pros and semi-pros.
I get the impression that nearly all normal girls are potentially semi-pros in Kiev. As we know, Ukrainian women are very sexually confident. From a young age, they learn that their sexuality is a valuable commodity. Unlike some North American women, they are not offended by the fact that men find them sexually desirable. They know that sex is part of any friendship with a man. I call them facultative pros.
In a few occasions, I found myself talking with what in North America, would be considered "amateurs". In North America, that means that you spend $200-400 on 3 dates, so that MAYBE you end up having sex on the third one. Yes, the price for sex is about the same, whether you pay for it directly or indirectly. Well, in Kiev, they know that sex is part of the deal and it will happen soon enough. They would rather have the money than have you spend it with them. So, if they like you, even a little, they can easily be persuaded to have sex with you for a little money.
After several minutes of conversation, and if I saw her responding appropriately, smiling and giggling, I suggested going back to my place for some private fun, paused for a second to gauge her reaction, and then added that I could give here a "gift", or "show some appreciation for her", or "help with her expenses", and "make it worth her time with you". Eventually, they all understood what I meant. If they are really offended and walk away, just talk to the next girl you see. If they pretend to be offended and keep talking to you, apologize and withdraw the money, but say that you only have a couple of weeks to get to know her. Eventually, she will decide to take the money. The third option is when they give you a counter offer. Then you know you are talking to a pro, and you can be open about prices and details. Start your negotiation at about 1000 UAH or lower.
Oddly, young university students can be easily seduced by very little money. Maybe they do not know how cute they are, or maybe they do not need as much money, or maybe they are surrounded by so many other beautiful girls in school that they figure they better take what they can get or someone else will. In any case, twice, after just chatting for 20 minutes, I persuaded two pretty girls (on separate occasions) to come to my place for some fun, for only 800 and 1000 UAH. One of them came back for more 2 days later, and the other one sent me her friend later in the week. I never paid more than 1200 UAH. I tried to arrange a threesome, but the timing was not right, or they just did not want to go for it. Nevertheless, where else in the world can you get sweet, beautiful, 20-23 year old students for that much money?
I met an absolute 24-year-old beauty on backpage. Her real photos, which she send to my phone and showed her face, were even better. She worked nearby, so she agreed to meet me for coffee after work and discuss the details. I argued that she could use the meeting to check me out and see whether I was too old, fat, or ugly for her. I was not, of course. She was as gloriously pretty as the photos, and elegant, intelligent, and spoke English. We had a pleasant conversation, and then I brought up the issue of money. In retrospect, maybe I should have just suggested that we go to my apartment, just 100 m away, and continue or conversation. I screwed up. She quoted me $ 120 USD for TWO hours, or $300 USD "for the entire night", including anal. That was about 8000 UAH, which was insane, of course. That is probably what she made all month as an administrative assistant. However, I figured it was about 1000 per hour, so I proposed ONE hour, and she flatly refused. I told her that I have been paying 1500 UAH at the most, which was about $60 USD for ONE hour, but she refused. I offered 2000 UAH per hour, and if we got along, we could do it again the next day. I explained that she would have 8000 UAH in four hours instead of 8, and I was not going to risk 8000 UAH unless I knew her better. She refused and we parted ways.
Anyway, 20 min. Later she messaged me saying: " I like you, but you are greedy". I explained that she was the greedy one, expecting one month's pay for one night's work. She texted back saying that some foreigner paid her $500 for the whole night a couple of days ago. SEE!? A few idiots ruin it for the rest of us. I told her that she should be texting him, not me. She said he was now out of the country. I told her that she should wait until he comes back. I did not hear from her after that.
Well, not until 2 days later. I guess she had not been able to obtain her 8000 UAH per night or 3200 UAH per two hours. She offered to accept 2000 UAH per hour. I said I was busy with another date, but maybe I could see her for 1500. We eventually agreed on 1800 UAH. She was certainly worth at least 2000! Back home, she would be an elite companion for corrupt politicians. What a great country! I saw her again two more times, and each time for only 1800. That is more reason to negotiate: once you agree upon a price, it becomes the standard and girls are less likely to haggle on in the future.
I should finally add that that with semi-pros, your mileage might definitely vary. They must first like you, at least a little. I happen to be a fit, good-looking 40 ish year old man. If you are an ugly, fat, 60 year old guy, things might be different. Money is no substitute for charm. For that, there are always the hard-core pros.
The art of threesomes.
Actually, this has nothing to do with Kiev, but I will throw it in anyway. During this trip, I had 3 threesomes, two of them with the same two girls. Do not agree to a threesome unless you already have had a mind-blowing experience at least one of the girls. Ask her if she has a friend, and tell her to bring her for you to meet or to send you some photos. If you like her, go for it.
Actually, if there is not girl-on-girl action, a good threesome is hard work. Okay, the double BJ is great, but after that most of us have a tendency to focus on one girl at a time. Also, I practise safe sex, but not for oral, so it can become troublesome during a threesome. Every time you switch you have to switch condoms. Not only does it slow everything down, but you might end up running out of condoms half way through. If you switch to a mouth, you can keep it on, but then your BJ is covered, not quite the same. Luckily, for one of my threesomes, the girls knew and trusted each other, so I did not have to switch condoms all the time.
BAD EXPERIENCES.
I found a few gems, and reconnected with some beauties from the past. One has started taking on a new role: finding new girls for me. She always made sure to include herself in the threesome, of course. I will not reveal these girls to you. They took a lot of work to find. Sorry. However, I will share a couple of bad experiences you should avoid.
A redhead from Mamba named Mila. She claims to be 21, but I imagine it is 26. She is fatter than in her photos, so not the best body, but still a pretty face. Very large breasts. I had a difficult time booking her for 2 days, and she eventually showed up at 1:00 am. We argued about the money, and then whether she should get it before or after. I never pay before. Eventually, she agreed to half now and half at the end. As soon as we finished having sex, she ran to the money and picked up the other half, even before heading into the bathroom. The worst part was that she such bad breath that kissing was out of the question. Was it the last guy's cum? Her pussy was also stinky, and I did not even get close. I really should have sent her back to the bathroom to clean up. The sex was terrible.
A second fail was blonde from mamba that calls herself Sweetie. I think she is 29. She showed up across the street, dressed like a total pro, with crazy high heels that made it almost impossible for her to walk. She was bigger and fatter than in her photos. Actually, I doubt the photos were hers at all. I did not feel any chemistry and I should have sent her home right away. However, we made it to my place, and then the problems began. First, there was no kissing. When she did not kiss me in the elevator, I should have sent her home. At least she was clean. Then she wanted to get paid up front, and she also refused half now and half later. I did not even try to convince her and told her to get out. At least she did, but not before threatening to send her boyfriend, yes the one that is so supportive that she has to sell herself for 1200 UAH. NO, I did not pay anything. I had forgotten my rule: if they do not kiss you upon meeting you, or you really do not feel any attraction, then end it!
VENUES.
My apartment was centrally located, with a great view of the street. It was near Mandarin plaza, so I spent most of my time near that end of Kreshatik. I had to come down to let girls in, which made it easier to reject a few that did not meet standards. There was a bus stop with a bus shelter right tin front of my door, which made it convenient to wait for a girl inconspicuously.
There is no cover charge at the Buddha bar; they compensate with the outrageous price of their drinks. Nevertheless, I recommend you at least check it out. It is huge. By the way, the Buddha is painted gold, NOT gold. That much gold would be too heavy to move, would break the floor, and would solve the Ukrainian financial crisis. The action occurred on the second floor. They charge for a table, and groups of businessmen had fallen into that trap. They were sitting away from the action, by themselves, ogling that the girls far away at the bar. Some other tables had girls and their sponsors. I wonder why would you bring a pro to an over-priced bar? Are the egos of these guys so fragile? Most of the available girls were at the bar, but the interaction was difficult. All the bar stools were taken, so there was not any natural movement of people, or a dance floor.
I thought fondly of the old River Palace. I remember that scrimmage are by the end, near the bar, where you would not help but physically interact with lots of lovely breasts, shapely asses and beautiful faces, close up. The prices were low and the selection of girls included secretaries, nurses, and beauticians, along with the hard-core pros. That kept the prices reasonable, and the prices for food and drinks were also quite good. It was a stark contrast with the pretentious attitude of the Buddha bar. I talked to a couple of girls at the bar and they wanted 300 USD, and refused to even flirt a little or negotiate. When I told them that I would go out to try to find some exchange place to get USD, then they suddenly changed their currency to UAH. It was still a ridiculous amount, of course, so I just had a beer and left. I must admit, however, that the girls were immaculately dressed and strikingly beautiful.
The Caribbean Club is frequented by Turkish-looking tourists so much that they are now catering to their musical tastes. (I write Turkish-looking" because I did not check any passports, so it would be presumptuous for me to just write "Turkish" They should just give up the pretence and change the name to "the Bosphorus Club". Sure, there were many gorgeous girls, but they were so outnumbered by Turkish-looking sex tourists that their prices started at $ 300-200 USD. Most of them knew that sooner or later, some drunken idiot would agree. As the night wore on, the number of girls dwindled, or they started working more seriously on their respective sponsors and moved to a table.
At several times during the night, "Club Bosphorus" looked like a Turkish gay club, with a couple of girls dancing with each other, and a dozen Turkish-looking guys dancing with each other in the periphery, trying to get the attention of the 2 available girls. Maybe I am old-fashioned, but but unless it is for a Maori war dance, men dancing with each other is unmanly. My personal feelings aside, that stupid move of men dancing together while trying to merge into 2 girls dancing with each other is pathetic, even with non-professional girls! If you are not averse to dancing, how hard can it be to walk up to a girl and ask her to dance with you? Of course, that would not even be necessary here. It is as if these guys do not realize that they are prostitutes. You do not have to dance with them. You do not have to buy them drinks. All you have to do is negotiate a reasonable price.
The prices girls charge at "the Bosphorus Club" are much higher than the prices the same girls charge elsewhere. For example, I had had a girl for 1000 UAH earlier in the day, and she used that seed money to go to "the Bosphorus Club" in the evening. I met her, but she was now charging $200 USD. I negotiated here down to $1500 USD, but that was still crazy. Sure enough, some time later she and her friend moved to a table with some Turkish-looking guys to negotiate the details and get some free drinks, and 20 minutes later, they were out the door. Anyway, I went twice, but the situation was pathetic and expensive.
"Sorry Babushka" was recommended by one of my regular girls. It is located near the circus and across a big shopping mall, just a bit further from "Club Bosphorus". It turned out to be great. The drawback of "Sorry Babushka" was that it was empty on weekdays, which is the reason I found myself at "Club Bosphorus" a second time. It was a local nightclub with only a few foreigners. It has two floors, with some areas where you can talk in peace. The prices were reasonable, and there were lots of girls. I was able to pick up a girl three out of the four times I went. One of them came with me for only 1000 UAH (plus a couple of drinks and an overpriced taxi) and repeated a few days later. The other two required a little more persuasion, a dinner, conversation, and a movie, but otherwise free of charge. Well, actually, I gave each 500 UAH and 800 UAH, so they could buy themselves "something nice". It is just what I had in my wallet. Even professionals do not like to think of themselves as professionals, which is why they usually refer to their pay as a "gift". Anyway, I saw these 3 girls a total of 7 times during my stay, and I am in contact with them still.
Actually, other than trying to meet regular girls, and in one occasion taking a girl out after sex (never before! Who wants to have sex at 4:00 a. M, when you are sleepy and have been drinking all night? I think nightclubs are a waste of money.
TIME IS MONEY.
These girls have no concept of time. Nearly all my appointments showed up at least 20 minutes late. I cancelled on another girl after one hour, and two days later she showed up exactly on time! I had to cancel on a new girl because 2 girls were supposed to come one hour later. However, the two girls were one hour late, which would have given me enough time for the first. I told one of my regular girls that I would deduct 100 UAH for every 15 minutes late. She showed up only 10 minutes late! If you give them the option of any time they want and they agree, they should show up on time. Other alternatives are to book several girls and just accept the one that comes first, or book them at 1:30 h intervals and cancel if they happen to be 20 minutes late. I should add that the one I cancelled on seemed to like me and respect me more than I re-booked her 2 days later. These girls are used to, and are turned on by men who are assertive.
THE OLD BAIT AND SWITCH.
I turned a few girls. The first one looked nothing like her photo. Maybe the photo was from 10 years ago. No thanks, I said, and sent her home. She was not happy. The second one looked like her photo, pretty face, but a little too fat. Foolishly, I had not seen any bikini photos. I figured it was my mistake, and I gave her 200 UAH for her troubles. She did not seem too upset. The third one was the opposite. I had seen a nice photo or a slim and elegant girl, but her face was a little blurred. Unfortunately, she was not very pretty. With thousands of gorgeous women all over the city, what are the odds that I would set up a date with the only ugly one? Again, I figured it was my mistake, and I gave her 200 UAH for her troubles and told her to leave. She did not seem too upset. The last one came, and only then started to negotiate. She wanted 200 Euros. I told her that for that much, I cold get the most beautiful high class prostitutes in the city (I was thinking the most expensive girls in Gia). She mentioned that some Italian guy had given her that much earlier in the week. Yes, some IDIOT Italian guy maybe. She went down to 150 USD and refused to be reasonable (that is still in the Gia range). I sent her home. She was not happy. So, there you go; guys who pay too much without thinking are ruining the market for everyone. By the way, the Gia girls give a proportion, perhaps up to 50% to the site, so the real price is about half.
SUMMARY.
For crying out loud, do not pay so much. One thousand UAH is already more than double the local price. Two thousand ought to be more than enough for anyone. For those who want high prices, I recommend using Gia, where the girls start at 3000 UAH, which includes half for the site. If you are willing to pay more, stay at home.
I told all the girls that I would be there for 3 weeks, even up to my last day, and that I would return in 3-4 months. I figured that thinking that I might become a repeat customer would encourage them to do their job well. I also told everyone I was there on business, which was partially true. I had more details ready, if they asked, but they never do. In their culture, it is men's business. In any case, you do not want girls to think you are just a sex tourist.
Maximize your exposure, to pros and semi-pros (the rest). Conferences, shops, malls, restaurants, hair salons, English forums, and the street are perfectly good places to make some contacts. Actually, I spent so much time in my apartment, waiting or copulating, that I did not get to fully appreciate the beauties out in the street. The weather was not very good at this time of the year. I saw some foreigners acting like desperate sex tourists, hitting one every girl out on the street. I assume that is not the best technique. Just be cool, smile, and if a girl makes eye contact or sits or stands close to you, say whatever comes to mind. Feel free to approach them, as if you were a man in North America back in the 50's. A simple "Hello," makes a perfectly good opening line.
Treat them well and appreciate their beauty.
Money is not a substitute for charm.
My vacation was so good that I had a little trouble returning to my regular life. I plan to be back in September, when the market is flooded by returning students.
Here it is necessary to note several aspects.
1) Prostitution in the country is not legalized because it will deprive the police of shadow revenues. It affects the P4P scene.
2) The country has been in the orbit of Russian civilization for a long time, so many girls do not speak English.
3) The market of sex services in big cities is actually wide, many individual prostitutes, many women give announcements about their services. Prices there are often not very high and there are a lot of good talents, but the western man does not speak Russian and can not read Russian. So he does not have access to it.
4) Social networks (other than odious mamba) are also almost unknown to Westerners mongers.
5) Because prostitution is illegal, then girls are subjected to a rehab as well as sexual harassment by the police. The police have been demanding more money from the girls for the opportunity to work and receive clients. As a result, many girls in Kiev are forced to close their apartments or are forced to constantly change their apartment. To not pay the police this shadow tax. Some girls like I know try to find some rich clients and live in the shade and no longer advertise their existence and do not rent an apartment.
And many other factors. Therefore, for pure mongering, it is certainly preferable to Colombia or Brazil. And girls in Ukraine do not have that great respect for white people like in colour countries. Because UA girls themselves are white and many of them have a fairly high level of erudition and education. It's white people. Poor, but white. They will not stand on the street like a herd of cows as we see on the streets of Pattaya. So Ukraine will never become a competitor for Thailand in the sex market. Because of mental differences from Asians.
But if you have known Ukraine for a long time. And if you have free time in the year-Ukraine is a good option for sex tourism. For example, my Ukrainian friend was recently in the city of Ternopil-About 200,000 inhabitants in the west of the country. The local guy gave him contacts of the local informal FKKK mini-club. Almost all the girls and this is about 20 girls came from the eastern regions of the country. From Kharkov or Donbas. Or Kherson. Girls are attractive and a lot of blondes. Many local girls in western Ukraine went to the polish and Italy. So the deficit of local pussies.
Prices an average of several hundred hryvnia per hour. 500-600-700 hryvnia. The police know about this,club, but does not close it. Obviously corruption.
Of course.
I today had a very hard and tough session in Kiev with this girl in the photo. Very hard pounding. Photo of her. She accepts clients in her apartment that she rents. A little conversation. Then a small massage of my testicles and penis. She worked her mouth a little. BBBJ is absent // all only in condom.
So maybe about 10 minutes passed before my penis became a stick and gained firmness.
So maybe about 10 minutes passed before my penis became a stick and gained firmness. After which a little work in a pose on his side. Then a few final heavy minutes in the dog's pose. After several minutes of deep strong banging I finished while slapping her on the ass. I still had about half an hour of time but I could not restore my erection. In general, despite the bad old bed, I was pleased. I gave her 700 hryvnia. This is her price for local guys. She does not have contacts with foreigners and does not seem to speak English. She is 23 years old. Her weight is 47 kilo.
For me and guys like me, not everything is so tragic and bad in Ukraine. But if you do not know the local Ukrainian life and specifics, don't read in Russian, it is better to go to Latin America. You just save your time and get more nice poor girls from the favels.
Interesting report, Tomek! I enjoyed reading it. I live in Kyiv and avoid clubs like the plague, but it's interesting to hear what's happening there. I do like 'Sorry Babushka' but not to meet working girls, rather to meet regular Kyiv women to date. Haven't been there in ages, though.
You said "For crying out loud, do not pay so much. One thousand UAH is already more than double the local price. Two thousand ought to be more than enough for anyone. " and in general I agree. However, keep in mind Kyiv is an expensive city for Ukrainians and often you get what you pay for. You can find pussy for 1000 UAH but the quality is rarely very good. Conversely, for 2000 you can get something that looks good but has a bad attitude. One thing worth noting, if you come in very low on an offer, you can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) the girl off and she will stop negotiating with you immediately. If someone thinks of offering a girl in Kyiv 800 UAH, you might be shooting yourself in the foot. Girls aren't stupid and they often know their worth and don't want to feel like cheap garbage. That said, I have twice spent 2500 UAH on a girl in Kyiv. Two years ago I gave a non-pro I'd been working on for months 100 UAD for two hours and it was well worth it. One month later, I met a teen girl at Gulliver Mall who was eye fucking me and she turned out to have a terrible attitude. Since then I top out at 2000 UAH. No more.
Before I got into a serious relationship, I met a super-cute university girl on the streets in an area called Akademmistechko. We started talking and exchanged VK addresses. I worked on this girl for 6 months of nice chats and sweet messages. After 6 months she told me she hated her summer job (she made 25 UAH an hour, 2,800 per month) and I offered her 1000 each week to come out for dinner and be my 'girlfriend' for a few hours, including sex. It worked and we still stay in touch. So, in Kyiv there are many, many possibilities.
MagicSheep74
05-31-17, 03:41
Greetings,
I recently had a trip to Kiev and Odessa over March and April. I was there twice over a period of 2 months, for a total of 23 days. My previous trip was 10 months ago. I will have to disagree with the naysayers here. If you do your homework and if you go relatively often, the more often the better, you can still have a fantastic time for a relatively low price.
Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.
My general philosophy.
Briefly, in my opinion, an airport bus is preferable to a taxi, an apartment is better to a hotel, and the much talked about Rio is too expensive. If I were willing to pay 300 USD, I would just stay at home. On top of the usual venues (bars, clubs, cafes, and the street), I shall add conventions (there are many, some to your interest, and maybe you can get your employer to pay for your trip), English teaching forums, and when the weather is favourable, beaches and parks.
Some rookie mistakes from the past.
Adjust to the new reality. -First timers might have some trouble adjusting to the fact that, unlike women back in your country, women always try to look their best, are not offended by male attention, and can be had for a reasonable price. When you arrive in Kiev, do not be constrained by behavioural norms of feminist-dominated societies. Feel free to approach women, to propose to them, to chat with them, to look, to make eye contact, to smile, to act like a man..Just an incredibly in-depth report. Easily the best and most informative report I have read on Ukraine. I envy your enthusiasm for Kiev, almost makes me want to give it one more try.
Much appreciated and I am sure very very useful to many a reader.
Please don't be discouraged by negative comments. There are some of us that love your reports on sponsoring girls, dating normal girls as opposed to Rio which has been talked about ad nauseum.
I've enjoyed your writing.I couldn't agree more with your comments about Gopnik's reports as some of us don't fly to Kiev strictly for P4P.
Gopnik's reports are very interesting to read and in depth analysis of a scene in Kiev I & others are interested in.
I for one not interested in taking out strippers for $3oo as it defeats for me the whole object of flying to Kiev. FFS we talked enough about Rio and I always said its a good club to visit and I visited the club many times in the company of my BI Donetsk girl just for Eye Candy.
Gopnik, Keep your reports coming.
FilancaNow
05-31-17, 22:02
I wanted to thank all the posters from yesterday. These posts are rather enlightening. I'll be going to Kiev in July and I'm doing my research and trying to establish a connection with locals through VK.
If anyone wants to share their gems (under 2000 uah) I'd appreciate it.
I think I have a few dates waiting for me in Kiev through VK. There's one particular girl and I need some recommendation. She is a university student who is working at a restaurant on the side. She is very eager to be my guide in Kiev and she doesn't want me to even talk about money as she finds this is an opportunity to improve her English.
Of course, it'd be impossible to know what to expect but has anyone met someone similar?
Also, a very good looking but a woman in her 30's is eager to meet. She's flying away the day after I arrive. (We have been in touch past two months) what are the chances to take here to dine and to my apartment?
It'll be my first time with EE women so I don't know if they are open to having sex after the first date.
Thanks in advance!
LuisVega11
06-01-17, 00:04
Remember that 99% of the woman in this part of the world are the most false person you can find in the earth in this moment.
So don't believe any bullshit. Be strong and not go downpour position.
Do like Ukraine man. Be direct, touch her body after short time to see her reaction if in a bar or restaurant, try kiss.
Don't pay too much, the more you pay the less respect they have for you.
Last week I was chatting with a girl. She look so cute but at the end she agreed to sponsor for 20 k at month with anal, everything. She told me her BF wanted to enjoy but I said I'm not interested.
I ask her why he does this with big, and if boy wa jealous, she said he's not I suck him all tim he want. I was speechless.
My suggestion is don't be too problematic dos of this people have the mind of a child of 5 years. All this girl who work as pro or semipro spend all the money they earn in the most idiot stuff. They buy apple watch even if they live in Osokorky in rundown flat.
Personally I have the tactic of sponsor. I offer sponsor, clearly I don't care, just to talk about a big sum, divided for x meeting month, I always say I stay like 2 3 month for work.
Most of time it come out 1000 1500 gryvna. But 2-3 hours with all included, anal for me is no discussion because all this girl does did and will do with idiot Ukraine men so why me not?
Go Kiev if you have time, for pay only is a waste. Not worth. Kiev is to bang your student, mom, those who are unspoilt. Remember all those you see in luxury bar were some years ago unspoiled and fresh. Find those girl before they go fucked up, mostly arrives from countryside and they have a window of 3-4 months before they got fucked up.
Good luck.
She is a university student who is working at a restaurant on the side. She is very eager to be my guide in Kiev and she doesn't want me to even talk about money as she finds this is an opportunity to improve her English.Did you clearly offered her money for being your "bed-guide" or for being your "city-guide"? If the first is the applicable, and she wasn't offended, the chances are pretty good that you can sort out something sooner or later. If the latter is the matter, I personally wouldn't put my expectations too high as she might really only expect a kind of non-sexual exchange; she's showing the city and you're helping her improving her English.
Jonathan Pine
06-01-17, 14:46
Super job, Stevie69, possibly the best report here I've ever read!
It's very useful to know how to approach and proposition girls. And I agree that the price for 1 hour of fun should not exceed the price of 10 haircuts or 1 day's local pay.
Although I'm still not so sure that all girls can be potentially semi pros. Can you elaborate on that?
Has it ever happen to you that some girls were offended by your proposition?
What in your opinion is a good way to go about it without potentially offending girls? Anybody else here has a tried and true approach that saves both our and the girls' faces?
FilancaNow
06-01-17, 18:11
Thanks for your input Luis and Bliss! Appreciated!
EnricoMacias
06-02-17, 00:28
Dear fellow mongers,
I am glad to inform you that Turkish people can now visit Ukraine without passport (only with national identity is enough).
By the way, EU also opened the doors for UA citizen.
The above 2 developments will make the competition harder.
Good luck.
Dear fellow mongers,
I am glad to inform you that Turkish people can now visit Ukraine without passport (only with national identity is enough).
By the way, EU also opened the doors for UA citizen.
The above 2 developments will make the competition harder.
Good luck.I don't think it will have that much of an affect in the foreseeable future. The former is of almost no consequence. It's still a form of ID that requires government approval to acquire. The latter doesn't change who will be actually visiting Ukraine and spending money, at least. Sure, Ukrainians can go abroad a little easier but all it really means is that instead of Egypt or Turkey or some other visa free travel destination, they will spend their money in a European country. It certainly won't give Ukrainians more money to travel, which most can't afford to do anyway. The real benefit is that one can invite a Ukrainian chick on a holiday in Europe and not have to worry about the paperwork and visa hassle, which is what I will be doing.
Seriously many many thanks to Stevie69. That was 1 great report with years of experiences condensed into 1 such detailed report cover so many different aspects. I will be in Kiev, Kharkov and Poltave for about 3 months. I will try all their colleges because I'm still relatively young and look like college student.
Interesting report, Tomek! I enjoyed reading it. I live in Kyiv and avoid clubs like the plague, but it's interesting to hear what's happening there. I do like 'Sorry Babushka' but not to meet working girls, rather to meet regular Kyiv women to date. Haven't been there in ages, though.
You said "For crying out loud, do not pay so much. One thousand UAH is already more than double the local price. Two thousand ought to be more than enough for anyone. " and in general I agree. However, keep in mind Kyiv is an expensive city for Ukrainians and often you get what you pay for. You can find pussy for 1000 UAH but the quality is rarely very good. Conversely, for 2000 you can get something that looks good but has a bad attitude..It all depends on the girl, if you pick a girl who looks like a crow then yes 1000 is enough, LOL.
Briefly, in my opinion, an airport bus is preferable to a taxi, an apartment is better to a hotel, and the much talked about Rio is too expensive. If I were willing to pay 300 USD, I would just stay at home. Rio is so overrated, a money burner, most dancers there don't give you bare blow job, and if you don't mention $300 for 2 hours they will leave much sooner so they can return to the club and resume work, stay away.
Hello all,
This morning I was sending messages to chicks and suddenly I took this message ' your IP Address have been blocked ' now I can't enter my mamba account even though I have VIP membership.
So what can I do for this problem?
Could you help me please? I need your recommends.
Happy hunting.Fuck mamba, did the same to me.
Hey, stick to just tourist activities. Apart from the overpriced Rio, and the reliable, but just above average in looks Gia. There is very little happening. If you lived there and had a lot of time to invest, I am sure women can be had, but for purely mongering it is hard work with little reward.
If you really need to go, by all means go. But if not, you would be better somewhere else..I agree, especially now that its easier for them to travel to euro cities.
DramaFree11
06-03-17, 01:32
I don't think it will have that much of an affect in the foreseeable future. The former is of almost no consequence. It's still a form of ID that requires government approval to acquire. The latter doesn't change who will be actually visiting Ukraine and spending money, at least. Sure, Ukrainians can go abroad a little easier but all it really means is that instead of Egypt or Turkey or some other visa free travel destination, they will spend their money in a European country. It certainly won't give Ukrainians more money to travel, which most can't afford to do anyway. The real benefit is that one can invite a Ukrainian chick on a holiday in Europe and not have to worry about the paperwork and visa hassle, which is what I will be doing.This is not a good thing. All Kiev needs is more Turkish guys'.
There has been some great reports lately and this will be far from as detailed. My main goal of the trip was being a tourist, but then with some extras added for fun.
Met up with Andrei, who gave me a warm welcome. Never had such a nice welcome from a guy I hadn't met before. Truly a unique guy. On the negative side, his English is rather bad so I had trouble understanding him and he was usually running late. Unless you need someone to show you apartment girls I would see no need to contact him.
He showed me three apartments the first night, and I was disappointed with the girls. Though that might have been because we were early, between 8 and 9 pm. He apologized and said there are usually more attractive girls at these apartments. When we left the third apartment one attractive passed us in the elevator and I told him that she is the kind of girl I wanted so we went up again since she was just starting her shift. After going back up again I did notice that her smile was not the best and our personalities were not the best match, but I was tired of looking for girls so I booked her anyway. Told her to come to my apartment in 1 hour so I could grab some food first. Sex was OK, but nothing special.
The next day Andrei apologized for the troubles we had last night with finding someone and said if I trusted him he could send me an amazing girl this night who would be a good match for me. I said yes and at 9:30 pm she showed up and Andrei was there as well to help since she hardly spoke any English. Andrei left and we went up to my apartment. Her personality was a very good match. 24 years, a bit shy and had only been in this business for 2 months. Sadly she had some scars on her body and were a little bit chubby so that left me a bit disappointed in the physical department. Pretty much all of our conversations needed the help of Google Translate.
After finishing with her I went to Buddha bar with a guy I met while being a regular tourist. Free entrance, but the drinks are very expensive! Probably 90% of the girls here were working girls. We got eye contact with pretty much every one at the bar, but they were charging 300 USD and we would rather go to Rio if we were to spend that kind of money. So we went to Shooters. The place was smaller than expected. Girls were younger here, but lower ratio of working girls so we did encounter several who didn't want to talk to us. My new friend hit it off with one girl here, but decided that he would rather go to Rio. Service at Rio was nice and not as aggressive as I have experienced in the US for example. Though the night was getting late, after 3 am, so neither of us took a girl home.
Next night I went on a date with a girl from Tinder. I thought she was a working girl since she was like "Oh, you are in Kiev? We have to meet! Meet me at this bar at midnight, I can order you a taxi" Though she was more interested in practising her English and declined to come back to my apartment at the end of the night.
The following day I travelled to Lviv where I was mostly a regular tourist, but also here I approached girls during the daytime. Found a cute student who worked part time as a tour guide, not as an English speaking guide, but she happily gave me a tour of the city in exchange of practising her English. She said first that she could only do 5 minutes, but it ended up closer to 2 hours.
I found several working girls on Tinder, but some were horribly slow to answer, maybe a whole day between replies. Some of them I did not reach getting their number before I had already left for Lviv and deleted me promptly when I said I had left Kiev. As many have said before, start your preparations at least 2 weeks ahead of time, preferably even more.
Web sites, found I couple of girls I wanted to try there. Though I found the same photos under different phone numbers and some times different names as well. Messaged a few numbers and asked for a recent photo. All answers were in bad English, like "yes, my photo" or "yes, I'm 21" when I asked how old the photos were. Bad luck maybe, but I didn't want to take the risk of just booking and getting something completely different at the door.
Apartment girls, what are your preferences there? Nice and easy having them all lined up in their underwear. Thought it might be a bit like shooting fish in a barrel, but I was a bit disappointed and felt a bit awkward after the third apartment saying to Andrei that none of the girls had what I wanted. What did I want? I was hoping for seeing a girl and just think "Wow, her I want to fuck!" Maybe I was too picky? Maybe all the best girls have been taken off to the US, Dubai, Western Europe, etc. Combination of both? Maybe.
In case anyone wonders about the regular tourist stuff I would highly recommend Chernobyl. Free walking tours of the city and Couchsurfing hangouts are a great way of meeting regular people who speaks good English. If you guys want a different experience I suggest Masochist cafe in Lviv. Ice cubes, hot wax from a candle, whipping. All done to you by a sexy 20-ish year old waitresses. Every one of them I would have said were an 8 or 9. Several videos of it on youtube if you are curious. All is done out in the open so you can watch the other guests if you don't dare to try it yourself. Still have bruises on my back from the whipping, they are not kidding around!
Will I go back to Kiev? Probably. Not in hope of finding lots of 9-10's, but I enjoyed the cities and Ukraine as a country. Also it will be interesting to see if any of the seemingly normal girls I found during the daytime will evolve into something. What will I do different the next time? Start preparing earlier and probably bring one of my Russian speaking friends from home. Only shitty thing is that all of them are women, haha.
Super job, Stevie69, possibly the best report here I've ever read!
It's very useful to know how to approach and proposition girls. And I agree that the price for 1 hour of fun should not exceed the price of 10 haircuts or 1 day's local pay.
Although I'm still not so sure that all girls can be potentially semi pros. Can you elaborate on that?
Has it ever happen to you that some girls were offended by your proposition?
What in your opinion is a good way to go about it without potentially offending girls? Anybody else here has a tried and true approach that saves both our and the girls' faces?Thank you.
Women in Ukraine do not view prostitution as this horrible thing that western women think. For them, it is normal for the man to pay for everything, for the man to support them, and in return they are expected to dress nicely, keep the house clean, and be always available for sex. Furthermore, unless they are really disgusted by you, how can they turn down one week's wages for one hour of "work". Actually, that mentality transcends economic classes. Even oligarch daughters are semi-pros, but they extract a much higher price (a car, a trip to Rome, a luxury watch, etc.). They are also pragmatic. They like sex and men are willing to pay for it, so why not.
With that way of thinking, it is hard to be too offended by offers. Still, however, they like to think of the money as a "gift'. So, when proposing a semi-pro, that is a regular girl, use language that allows plausible deniability. You can offer money for her to "buy a sexy dress to wear on your next date". Or "help her with her school" or "make it worthwhile for her to come to your apartment", or something like that. Even when sex was technically free, I have always given at least 500 uah "to buy yourself something nice" or "for your taxi".
Three months! That will be fantastic! Students also like professors!
Seriously many many thanks to Stevie69. That was 1 great report with years of experiences condensed into 1 such detailed report cover so many different aspects. I will be in Kiev, Kharkov and Poltave for about 3 months. I will try all their colleges because I'm still relatively young and look like college student.
First of all, I would like to say I have been a member for a few years and have been on a number of trips for this hobby. I am neither a veteran nor a novice. I have not posted anything before not because of greediness or selfishness but because I feel there was nothing meaningful I could add to what readers already knew. I am writing this post because I feel there is a need to justify the position regarding Kiev as far as mongering is concerned. The Kiev forum (or Ukraine in general) has received a lot more attention in recent years but I do not think that is due to more mongers visiting the country. From my experience in the summer 2016, I would set out below my two pennies' worth:
Yes there are many young and beautiful women around, but I wouldn't necessarily say more so than a major western city like London or New York. There are just more of the same type whereas a city like London has more variety race, culture and background.
Some members have suggested that almost all women are potentially semi-pros. I did get a few smiles when I was out and about however I wouldn't say they are semi-pros and certainly did not wish to mistake nicety for proposition. I did not get the feeling that women in Kiev are that desperate for cash that they would fuck anyone for it.
I agree with previous comments that the apartment girls are not great. I went to about 5 apartments and did not see a single stunner. I took one back to my apartment and the service was mechanical pretty much what you would expect from a brothel.
I did utilise the service of Andreii which in hindsight I regret doing. Yes, he is a nice bloke or at least he acts like one. My feeling is that he is selective in which apartments he takes you (be it apartments where he gets a higher commission or where more business is required). I gathered that he works in some sort of organisation / group. Not sure if any of you experienced the same, but he kept messaging me and trying to take me to more apartments and offered to bring girls to me throughout my time there. This is purely from my experience and observation of him. Towards the end of my stay I agreed to let him bring a girl to me. I only agreed because he showed a photo of a girl who was quite attractive. The girl turned out to be someone completely different to the photo. I asked for an explanation but suddenly his spoken English turned from bad to worse. Also, I should say he is probably a drug addict, as I have seen things.
Rio is a nice strip club and I can see it being a nice place to chill out with mates while enjoying the view. Drinks are reasonably priced too. Again, I didn't see any stunners there but the attitude of the ladies is top notch. I wouldn't take a lady out for $300 though. Back home, I can pay the same amount for similar or better quality.
I have been to various clubs and most were packed with people especially during the weekend. I did see a few (perhaps potential) working girls (some obvious and some not so obvious). I did not go for any as I didn't find them attractive enough to make a move.
So this is a short conclusion of my experience in Kiev. You probably guessed it is not one of my favourite places and if so you are correct. To be fair though I am not making a strong conclusion as I was only there for 4 nights. The time of visit probably makes a difference but the point I am trying to make is for a pure mongering experience Kiev is probably best avoided. Although my trips are usually for a few days only that hasn't stopped me from having some of the most enjoyable times as far as mongering is concerned. I haven't and wouldn't try the long game as in my opinion as it defeats the purpose of this hobby. If I had that much time to spare I might as well find a sex partner at home (just my opinion and I am sure a lot of you would disagree).
I hope the above balances the Kiev scene and wish you all happy mongering.
the point I am trying to make is for a pure mongering experience Kiev is probably best avoided. .I agree, its not as good as before.
About your RIO comment, if any of you wants bare blowjob make sure to talk to the dancer about it before giving her $300, most dancers there do covered BJ, and make sure to tell her $300 is for three hours otherwise she will leave early.
First of all, I would like to say I have been a member for a few years and have been on a number of trips for this hobby. I am neither a veteran nor a novice. I have not posted anything before not because of greediness or selfishness but because I feel there was nothing meaningful I could add to what readers already knew. I am writing this post because I feel there is a need to justify the position regarding Kiev as far as mongering is concerned. The Kiev forum (or Ukraine in general) has received a lot more attention in recent years but I do not think that is due to more mongers visiting the country. From my experience in the summer 2016, I would set out below my two pennies' worth:
Yes there are many young and beautiful women around, but I wouldn't necessarily say more so than a major western city like London or New York. There are just more of the same type whereas a city like London has more variety race, culture and background.
Some members have suggested that almost all women are potentially semi-pros. I did get a few smiles when I was out and about however I wouldn't say they are semi-pros and certainly did not wish to mistake nicety for proposition. I did not get the feeling that women in Kiev are that desperate for cash that they would fuck anyone for it..Ukraine is a sexy Klondike if you are sufficiently active and assertive and a little brutal guy and have a little free time. Also it is better to choose not pathos and expensive cues and some other big city. Unlike the Asian or African or Brazilian beauties, Ukrainian girls look very inaccessible and proud, they dress beautifully and hold with great dignity. Certainly a guy from Europe or the US who sees a beautiful Ukrainian white (which is important) a girl experiences a natural awkwardness and stiffness. It's hard to be relaxed, because it's a white beauty and not an Asian or a mulatto. At the subconscious level, this American guy feels that this is a white girl. That he is in his native Alabama or Minnesota, which means he can for harassment of a beautiful white young lady have some problems. This is a reflex at the subconscious level. I myself am familiar with this phenomenon. I have several friends from Canada and the US who told me personally about their first impressions of Ukraine. These are my good friends. They first came to Ukraine after the abolition of the visa regime for foreigners in 2004. They are not poor people, but in the US and Canada these guys are very much. Also they are difficult to call very beautiful or sexy or young. All of them before as sex tourists were in the Dominican Republic, Colombia and similar countries. They confessed to me that they had some psychological problems in Ukraine in first time. But then they realized what to do. They were delighted with the local,haughty and arrogant, beauties and how well these beautiful blondes suck the western cock and swallow sperm-And it was not very expensive then. They fucked insanely beautiful tall young girls. It was a golden time for foreigners in Ukraine. Yeah. It's true. They told me fantastic stories and I saw how excited they are. They are amazed. Sometimes they did not believe it was a dream or a reality! 2004-2006. They in the beginning could not relax and were not so free and uninhibited as for example in "color countries." Ukraine is a very hypocritical country. I met yesterday with a nice girl of 22 years in Kharkov. I fucked her and finished her in the mouth many times. Also my old friend from Poland fucked her in anal. I gave him her contacts.
But she looks very inaccessible and even arrogant. She is well dressed and has expensive makeup. None of us here on the forum could not imagine her with a sperm on her face. Moreover, she has a constant boyfriend for several years. But at the same time I and my friend fuck her in anal and finish her in the mouth for the money. She is nice tall girl. In Ukraine you must be very active and do not be afraid to approach women. You should not be afraid of getting a refusal. Women in Ukraine look very proud and arrogant, but this is an illusion. It's not Western feminists. My principle is the number of attacks. I can start a conversation with a girl in a cafe, in a park, near a subway, in a supermarket. On the street. Ukraine is a good place for street hunting. But if for psychological reasons you can not do this and do not feel confident enough, then you It is better to choose a route to the Dominican Republic or Brazil. Also I use a lot of dating sites in addition to the odious Mamba. You should not be afraid to go to the young lady in Ukraine.
You have to understand that this is not Denmark and not Sweden and Canada. This girl will not accuse you of sexual exploitation. She would rather show you the right street. Even if she soon realizes that you just want to make contact with her, she will not scream or call the police. You can ask her to become your guide. The worst thing is that you will be expected if she says-thank you, but I'm busy or something like that. Women in Ukraine love brave men. But this contradicts the concept of the behaviour of a Western man who is always afraid of the law. Because the West is a completely different reality and completely different relationship between a man and a woman. In Europe or the US you have to constantly think about the consequences and power of the law. Half of the Ukrainian men could be in prison in the west for their behaviour. If you hit someone in person in Europe, then most likely this guy will report you to the police and you will have problems and maybe even go to prison. But in Ukraine or Russia, this guy may just rudely insult you but he will not go to the police. A broken nose is not for him a great tragedy.
Women in Ukraine love when they feel that men want to fuck them. It brings them pleasure. I know that many Russian and Ukrainian MILF and even young girls like to fuck in Antalya or Bulgaria with beautiful Turkish or Bulgarian macho. I talked on this subject with some Ukrainian guys who saw how this happens. One of my Ukrainian friend told me how he used to earn repairs of computers and laptops. When one beautiful Ukrainian girl brought him a computer or something to repair but she forgot to erase the folder with photos and videos. This folder was called,summer. Bulgaria, There were a lot of photos and some videos. There were photos of her girlfriends. Photo of cafes and restaurants. Savory dishes of local cuisine. Rolls over the sea and beaches of Bulgaria. But then very strange photos began. She, along with her girlfriend and a couple of young strong local local guys. Then a photo in the cafe. They laugh and drink wine. But then frankly sexy photos began. He saw the photo of her face was covered with sperm and two big dicks near her face. ! Photo on which three or four guys fuck her and her girlfriend and the like. Also there was a video of how a few guys hard fuck her and end up on her and she's in sperm. My friend was very surprised when I saw this folder. Because the girl did not look like very sexually accessible. She was even a little cold in communication. It was 7 or 8 years ago. An amusing story.
But the most interesting is that Slavic women in Turkey like to tease Turkish men with their sexual appearance. They specially wear short skirts or very short sexy shorts. To be clearly visible to their sexy ass. When they go to the souvenir market, Turkish men suffer from pleasure and excitation. This explains very well the nature of Slavic women.
FilancaNow
06-05-17, 03:30
Ukraine is a sexy Klondike if you are sufficiently active and assertive and a little brutal guy and have a little free time. Also it is better to choose not pathos and expensive cues and some other big city. Unlike the Asian or African or Brazilian beauties, Ukrainian girls look very inaccessible and proud, they dress beautifully and hold with great dignity. Certainly a guy from Europe or the US who sees a beautiful Ukrainian white (which is important) a girl experiences a natural awkwardness and stiffness. It's hard to be relaxed, because it's a white beauty and not an Asian or a mulatto. At the subconscious level, this American guy feels that this is a white girl. That he is in his native Alabama or Minnesota, which means he can for harassment of a beautiful white young lady have some problems. This is a reflex at the subconscious level. I myself am familiar with this phenomenon. I have several friends from Canada and the US who told me personally about their first impressions of Ukraine. These are my good friends. They first came to Ukraine after the abolition of the visa regime for foreigners in 2004. They are not poor people, but in the US and Canada these guys are very much. Also they are difficult to call very beautiful or sexy or young. All of them before as sex tourists were in the Dominican Republic, Colombia and similar countries. They confessed to me that they had some psychological problems in Ukraine in first time. But then they realized what to do. They were delighted with the local,haughty and arrogant, beauties and how well these beautiful blondes suck the western cock and swallow sperm-And it was not very expensive then. They fucked insanely beautiful tall young girls. It was a golden time for foreigners in Ukraine. Yeah. It's true. They told me fantastic stories and I saw how excited they are. They are amazed. Sometimes they did not believe it was a dream or a reality! 2004-2006. They in the beginning could not relax and were not so free and uninhibited as for example in "color countries." Ukraine is a very hypocritical country..Wow! What a good read! I've read your observations and experiences with pleasure.
Stavvrrooss
06-05-17, 16:24
I agree, its not as good as before.
About your RIO comment, if any of you wants bare blowjob make sure to talk to the dancer about it before giving her $300, most dancers there do covered BJ, and make sure to tell her $300 is for three hours otherwise she will leave early.That's proper feedback, unlike some of the useless stories here.
Here's my feedback:
1. 99% of photos on websites are fake (including backpage. Com, including all agencies with their ridiculous 500 euro - 2 hours prices).
2. 99% when you talk on whtsapp and ask for "real photos", even then you get fake photos. When you tell them "I already sent 2 girls home because photos were fake" and they give you real photo, that's when you understand you will not fuck a model for 50-70 USD, you'll just get a used hooker. If she's young, she can still be doable, but for sure not very pretty and nothing close to what you saw in the photo.
3. Buddha Bar. Transaction place. Hookers at the bar, they start at 200 usd, whether you can get the price down, it depends on how you look. If you're older than 45 and not exactly a knight in shiny armour, pay the bloody 200 usd, buy her a drink first and charm her a little, so she puts some passion and proper service in. If you're younger and attractive, it's likely you can get the price down to 150 usd, or if you're really good and charming and make her like you, 100. Nevertheless, do not take a hooker from Buddha Bar home before actually buying her a drink, talking to her, trying to establish a connection.
4. Shooters, Caribbean. These are fun places with a combination of regular girls and prostitutes, more often the number if regular girls is higher than the number of working girls. Coolest thing about these places is that they are open on Sunday, Monday, etc. Many times girls here don't speak English, so yes, some knowledge of Russian is always an asset.
5. Dali, Chi. The fancier clubs. If you have game, it's fairly easy to score (like anywhere else in the world). You may find the occasional hooker who speaks English at the bar, but mostly it's hotter girls looking for long term sponsors (like most Ukrainian hot girls do).
6. Tinder. It's quite shitty. There are many girls (I do searches for age 18-25), but fairly unresponsive. I'm in my early 30's and am what one would call a very attractive guy. I'm fortunate enough to be financially well off and dress well, and I used to live in Russia for a while, so I speak enough Russian to pick up a girl. I've been on tinder for 3 days, and even when we match, can barely get a conversation going or get the girl to switch to WhatsApp. I'm eastern European myself, so I understand the culture, but on Tinder I just can't seem to get much shit done. I lined up some dates, but with 7's or 8's at most, I got no traction with the 9's (10's don't exist).
7. www. Ukraniandate, com. You can chat girls up a few weeks before your travel, and line up dates, same rules apply. I've used this when I didn't speak Russian, it worked well for me in the past (3-4 years ago).
8. guys walking on the street, with flyers, offering to take you to apartments. I've done it a few times, most girls are not that attractive, but there's always 1-2 hot ones. If they catch me drunk at 2 am walking on khreshatik without having scored anything that night, I'm always open to their suggestion and follow them.
9. RIO. Well, I love that place, the post I'm quoting is clear and to the point. If I don't get laid with freebies I pick up in clubs, that's where I end up. Always negotiate blowjob without condom in advance, and make sure they understand it's 300 usd for 3 hours. And, again, don't rush it. Have a drink with them before leaving, don't be stingy. You're on holiday, splash some cash for proper service, or save the 10-20 USD left and right but then don't complain you get a fish or a log in bed.
Then there are the exceptions. I saw a guy looking 55 years old who definitely looked his age, on a date with a super cute 18-21 yo girl, having a coffee and communicating through google translate. She was really into it, but for that girl to put himself in that situation, he must have put a lot of research and effort. Kudos to the guy, I saw myself in him when I'll get to his age.
Thanks for another great report. What about just trying to talk to girls on street? And Mamba. I got some reply from Mamba and trying to meet them when I get there. I also used Hello Talk app too and got some girls talking now.
That's proper feedback, unlike some of the useless stories here.
Here's my feedback:
1. 99% of photos on websites are fake (including backpage. Com, including all agencies with their ridiculous 500 euro - 2 hours prices).
2. 99% when you talk on whtsapp and ask for "real photos", even then you get fake photos. When you tell them "I already sent 2 girls home because photos were fake" and they give you real photo, that's when you understand you will not fuck a model for 50-70 USD, you'll just get a used hooker. If she's young, she can still be doable, but for sure not very pretty and nothing close to what you saw in the photo.
3. Buddha Bar. Transaction place. Hookers at the bar, they start at 200 usd, whether you can get the price down, it depends on how you look. If you're older than 45 and not exactly a knight in shiny armour, pay the bloody 200 usd, buy her a drink first and charm her a little, so she puts some passion and proper service in. If you're younger and attractive, it's likely you can get the price down to 150 usd, or if you're really good and charming and make her like you, 100. Nevertheless, do not take a hooker from Buddha Bar home before actually buying her a drink, talking to her, trying to establish a connection.
4. Shooters, Caribbean. These are fun places with a combination of regular girls and prostitutes, more often the number if regular girls is higher than the number of working girls. Coolest thing about these places is that they are open on Sunday, Monday, etc. Many times girls here don't speak English, so yes, some knowledge of Russian is always an asset.
5. Dali, Chi. The fancier clubs. If you have game, it's fairly easy to score (like anywhere else in the world). You may find the occasional hooker who speaks English at the bar, but mostly it's hotter girls looking for long term sponsors (like most Ukrainian hot girls do).
6. Tinder. It's quite shitty. There are many girls (I do searches for age 18-25), but fairly unresponsive. I'm in my early 30's and am what one would call a very attractive guy. I'm fortunate enough to be financially well off and dress well, and I used to live in Russia for a while, so I speak enough Russian to pick up a girl. I've been on tinder for 3 days, and even when we match, can barely get a conversation going or get the girl to switch to WhatsApp. I'm eastern European myself, so I understand the culture, but on Tinder I just can't seem to get much shit done. I lined up some dates, but with 7's or 8's at most, I got no traction with the 9's (10's don't exist).
7. www. Ukraniandate, com. You can chat girls up a few weeks before your travel, and line up dates, same rules apply. I've used this when I didn't speak Russian, it worked well for me in the past (3-4 years ago).
8. guys walking on the street, with flyers, offering to take you to apartments. I've done it a few times, most girls are not that attractive, but there's always 1-2 hot ones. If they catch me drunk at 2 am walking on khreshatik without having scored anything that night, I'm always open to their suggestion and follow them.
9. RIO. Well, I love that place, the post I'm quoting is clear and to the point. If I don't get laid with freebies I pick up in clubs, that's where I end up. Always negotiate blowjob without condom in advance, and make sure they understand it's 300 usd for 3 hours. And, again, don't rush it. Have a drink with them before leaving, don't be stingy. You're on holiday, splash some cash for proper service, or save the 10-20 USD left and right but then don't complain you get a fish or a log in bed.
Then there are the exceptions. I saw a guy looking 55 years old who definitely looked his age, on a date with a super cute 18-21 yo girl, having a coffee and communicating through google translate. She was really into it, but for that girl to put himself in that situation, he must have put a lot of research and effort. Kudos to the guy, I saw myself in him when I'll get to his age.I can not talk about Rio, because I've never been there and I won't. What Stavvrrooss write is very close of what I experienced in Kiev last year. Not easy at all, even if you stay a few months there and you speak Russian, it's not easy. So Stavvrrooss is a good looking guy around 30 years old and it's not easy for him. Imagine an older guy.
Howdy guys.
I am going to make my trip to Europe again at the end of September, do not know yet where I will go, but I want ask you if the Kiev is the best choice as I am looking for classic beauties. Blond long hairs, long legs, smooth facial lines. Money is not that of an issue. If Kiev is not the best choice, could you guys possibly recommend different location? I would appreciate it.
Greetings!
DramaFree11
06-06-17, 20:44
Howdy guys.
I am going to make my trip to Europe again at the end of September, do not know yet where I will go, but I want ask you if the Kiev is the best choice as I am looking for classic beauties. Blond long hairs, long legs, smooth facial lines. Money is not that of an issue. If Kiev is not the best choice, could you guys possibly recommend different location? I would appreciate it.
Greetings!Absolutely not, probably the worst choice. Moscow or any country. If you are looking for good looking girls, Kiev is the wrong place. Way over rated.
For pure mongering is certainly better countries where developed legal sex industry like FKK Clubs or poor color countries. Where your white skin color will be your advantage.
The problem is also that Ukrainian women love money and are ready to suck the dick for money but they do not have the mentality of a prostitute and being a prostitute is not always comfortable for them. This is the main psychological problem. The majority of veterans of mongering in Thailand or Latin America are accustomed to a simple and understandable game -You do not need any game. You are just a gringo from Canada and that's why everything is clear. The Colombian babe understands that you are a,gringo, and therefore you do not need to convince her. She just understands that she need to suck your dick. If you want anal sex she will give you this. In Ukraine there is a slightly different mentality. Therefore, such cunning guys as Steve 69 and others talk about, friendship, about,help, little nice gift etc.
The second reason is that life in Ukraine is more expensive than in south color countries. The food is not very cheap and you can not walk all year round in shorts like it does in Brazil or Manila and do not pay for heating. In my native Poland, meat and milk are cheaper than in Ukraine. And the average wage is several times higher than in Ukraine-700-800 EURO in Poland and 140-170 EURO in Ukraine. Many girls in Ukraine in the province work for 120-130 euros a month. Also many girls in Ukraine have a distorted picture of the life and work of a Westerner. They are often so stupid that they think so,-Okay. This guy in America earns 4,000 dollars. So he can easily spend 2-3,000 dollars on entertainment? . They do not understand that all your 3000-4 000 USD money goes for a loan for cars, for a house, for insurance and for food, for a school for your children.
Many Ukrainian girls are simply divorced from western reality. They can not understand that the West is not so rich in fact as it seems to them and that even in the West 100-200 dollars is a lot of money for most western people. A vivid and convincing illustration of my words is a story with my friend Nastya-. I found her ad on the Internet about sponsoring. I was born in the USSR and speak Russian well. We had a romantic date with a tough hard finish in doggy position. The first time I confess was a bit nervous. I did not have a long time to erection because of the excitement but then I drank some,Ergos, ,like Viagra, local sildenafil Viagra, cost 30 griwnas 1 tablets 50 MG. In the bathroom. 1/2 tablets and later 25 minutes my cock be OK. I asked her to caress my balls and my dick her fingers a little. She began to caress and massage with her fingers my penis. When she saw that my cock like a huge hard stick she smiled embarrassed. It was nice of her.
But I must note she very diligently caressed my body, balls and sucked my cock. Only she lacks experience. I liked her sensitive young nipples. We worked a bit in the missionary position. But then I wanted a good hard brutal fuck.
She is very very very attractive in doggy) A beautiful landscape, better than the dawn over the Scandinavian fjords. So I quickly finished. It was a great sharp orgasm. Then an hour later I fucked her again in a doggy. Probably it was my most acute strong orgasm in 2017 and probably never I spent so much sperm. The last time I before orgasm took off the condom and poured her back and pop with sperm. She was covered with sperm almost completely. I must say that it was a hell of a hard job and after that I ate a huge pizza in a cafe. I probably lost half a liter of sperm on that day.
I paid her 2500 hryvnia as she asked. I told her about it and showed her photos to some of my Polish and Western friends. They asked me to give her contacts. Since good merchandise. 18 years old.
A slim body and long legs and nice light skin. But as soon as they started to contact her, she realized that she needed more money. And she began to demand 200 euros for a meeting in 2-3 hours. She began to ask foreigners twice more than Ukrainian men. And not even 130-150 euros, but 200 euros! It shows how much these Ukrainian beauties love money and how they are sometimes not rational. Here are her photos that she sent me before the meeting.
Howdy guys.
I am going to make my trip to Europe again at the end of September, do not know yet where I will go, but I want ask you if the Kiev is the best choice as I am looking for classic beauties. Blond long hairs, long legs, smooth facial lines. Money is not that of an issue. If Kiev is not the best choice, could you guys possibly recommend different location? I would appreciate it.
Greetings!If you truly want it to be easy with some very model quality girls and you don't mind spending around 200 per hour then I suggest The Globe in Zurich. I like petite brunettes so it is not that appealing to me but there is a lot of "Blond long hairs, long legs" there and many of them are truly model quality and will give you BBBJ, kissing, and sex however you want (except bare intercourse) for the basic cost. Cum in mouth for extra.
LuisVega11
06-06-17, 23:50
If you truly want it to be easy with some very model quality girls and you don't mind spending around 200 per hour then I suggest The Globe in Zurich. I like petite brunettes so it is not that appealing to me but there is a lot of "Blond long hairs, long legs" there and many of them are truly model quality and will give you BBBJ, kissing, and sex however you want (except bare intercourse) for the basic cost. Cum in mouth for extra.If you compare Kiev to globe Zurich you don't have understand a lot of travel for sex. If I need just sex I go out in street 2 km from my house. And those who go to Kiev for P4P have also understood few of Kiev.
Kiev is professionisti of street game, those who can fuck without money most of time,. Pay in Kiev is waste of time and money. And I suggest if you have 4 days only don't waste your time and our game coming in Kiev and throwing money to any garbage hut walking in Kreshatyk.
LuisVega11
06-06-17, 23:55
Good report who most of all put a true light on Andrey. I suspect many report where biased by him. I already wrote what I thought about the post if the guy who spent 2000 hour for a 10.
10 in Kiev go to Dubai and earn more than me and you in year in a week. Ai know a girl who I fuck when she was pure and young. She now earn with pussy something like 150000 300000 years. Apartment and SUV bought by Arab men. Lot of watch.
Nowadays even fat girl will laugh at you for 800 gr hours. Imagine 10 who fuck for 2000?. I met a girl she told me yesterday in Instagram that men in Kiev offer her car to fuck. And she is a solid 8, model. Imagine those high end golden digger?
Personally I go to Kiev to the unspoiled young student. The only target still available in Kiev. Clearly I'ma professions of street game and at 40 still not a match for many 25-30 years.
I stopped considering the P4P long time ago, simply is not the place to go. Only money I spent is sponsor. Clearly I cheat about sponsor, but it lower the money spent on single date.
That's proper feedback, unlike some of the useless stories here.
Here's my feedback:
1. 99% of photos on websites are fake (including backpage. Com, including all agencies with their ridiculous 500 euro - 2 hours prices).
2. 99% when you talk on whtsapp and ask for "real photos", even then you get fake photos. When you tell them "I already sent 2 girls home because photos were fake" and they give you real photo, that's when you understand you will not fuck a model for 50-70 USD, you'll just get a used hooker. If she's young, she can still be doable, but for sure not very pretty and nothing close to what you saw in the photo.
3. Buddha Bar. Transaction place. Hookers at the bar, they start at 200 usd, whether you can get the price down, it depends on how you look. If you're older than 45 and not exactly a knight in shiny armour, pay the bloody 200 usd, buy her a drink first and charm her a little, so she puts some passion and proper service in. If you're younger and attractive, it's likely you can get the price down to 150 usd, or if you're really good and charming and make her like you, 100..
Was it just me or everyone else? Backpage only has United States sections. No Ukraine or Europe or any where else. Why is that?
Was it just me or everyone else? Backpage only has United States sections. No Ukraine or Europe or any where else. Why is that?I don't know if its kosher to post a link but it seems to be working for, Kiev and Minsk.
Guys you can have best russian or romanian in Italy for that price.
In ukraine I think it's crazy expensive.
Pretty girl. Lucky you.
I do not think you have to convince them to have sex for money. When they ask for "a gift", everyone knows what it means. It just allows them to save face. They call is "plausible deniability" in Washington DC.
The fact that life in Ukraine is relatively expensive (if it is?) means that sex is more readily available. When there are more sellers, the price goes down. It is simple economics.
Yes, they think that "westerners" have money to burn. With your girl, was that 2500 for the whole night? If so, it was a good deal. However, you made the mistake of introducing them to more buyers, with more money. No wonder that she started to ask for more money. If the demand goes up, the price goes up. It is simple economics. Next time you go, she will ask not 2500 UAH, but rather 250 USD. That is why I keep my gems to myself.
For pure mongering is certainly better countries where developed legal sex industry like FKK Clubs or poor color countries. Where your white skin color will be your advantage.
The problem is also that Ukrainian women love money and are ready to suck the dick for money but they do not have the mentality of a prostitute and being a prostitute is not always comfortable for them. This is the main psychological problem. The majority of veterans of mongering in Thailand or Latin America are accustomed to a simple and understandable game -You do not need any game. You are just a gringo from Canada and that's why everything is clear. The Colombian babe understands that you are a,gringo, and therefore you do not need to convince her. She just understands that she need to suck your dick. If you want anal sex she will give you this. In Ukraine there is a slightly different mentality. Therefore, such cunning guys as Steve 69 and others talk about, friendship, about,help, little nice gift etc.
The second reason is that life in Ukraine is more expensive than in south color countries. The food is not very cheap and you can not walk all year round in shorts like it does in Brazil or Manila and do not pay for heating. In my native Poland, meat and milk are cheaper than in Ukraine. And the average wage is several times higher than in Ukraine-700-800 EURO in Poland and 140-170 EURO in Ukraine. Many girls in Ukraine in the province work for 120-130 euros a month. Also many girls in Ukraine have a distorted picture of the life and work of a Westerner. They are often so stupid that they think so,-Okay. This guy in America earns 4,000 dollars. So he can easily spend 2-3,000 dollars on entertainment? . They do not understand that all your 3000-4 000 USD money goes for a loan for cars, for a house, for insurance and for food, for a school for your children..
Was it just me or everyone else? Backpage only has United States sections. No Ukraine or Europe or any where else. Why is that?Because back page was forced to remove adult advertisements in the USA. This includes being able to see ads in other countries. You get redirected to the US version. If you are in a different country or you use a proxy in a different country, it will work for you.
I've got about a week off from work and am debating on where to go. I had heard some good things about Kiev, and now some not so good things. I've done Bangkok, but something about Kiev caught my eye. Money is some what of an object. I'd like to not spend more than 100/ HR ish. Any advice for this newbie would be much appreciated!
Because back page was forced to remove adult advertisements in the USA. This includes being able to see ads in other countries. You get redirected to the US version. If you are in a different country or you use a proxy in a different country, it will work for you.I finally got backpage working by proxy. I see a lot of beautiful girls OMG! All 10+ models. Are you going to meet the girls look like those photos Are they real or only half of them are real? These are all 10+ in San Francisco bay area standard. If I can tap on those ass, I'll be super man.
I finally got backpage working by proxy. I see a lot of beautiful girls OMG! All 10+ models. Are you going to meet the girls look like those photos Are they real or only half of them are real? These are all 10+ in San Francisco bay area standard. If I can tap on those ass, I'll be super man.Why not 20+.
You have been reading these pages for a while BobSmith, you know that everything is true. What you see is what you get. No surprise at all.
Girls are proud to show to their friends, their family that they work as escort, so they put their own photos.
Why not 20+.
You have been reading these pages for a while BobSmith, you know that everything is true. What you see is what you get. No surprise at all.
Girls are proud to show to their friends, their family that they work as escort, so they put their own photos.I forget how they all turn out and I would love to get some advice again. Who is in Kiev next month? I maybe there next month and planning for a longer stay this time.
CallSign Papa
06-10-17, 09:02
I've got about a week off from work and am debating on where to go.!To be honest, it's not a great idea. Kiev itself is a wonderful city, and the nightlife is pretty damn good but the monger scene is not suitable for first time visitors unless you have spent time and energy cultivating contacts on the ground. You'll be able to get by without Russian, but it will limit your ability to communicate when contacting service providers.
My advice would be fish where the fish are, and the fish aren't in Kiev (at least not without the right level of groundwork).
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348
For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.
Let us hope I'm wrong.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348
For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.
Let us hope I'm wrong.For the Ukrainians who have the money to travel and the desire to travel to EU, they would have done it even no visa-free. No all women have the desire to travel to EU to sell their bodies while they can wait for guys like us to go there to buy their bodies in their homeland. Its safer for them. But ya some may go and slowly their economy will pick up and they won't be as desperate. Altho I know Ukrainians are not that desperate anyways to begin with. Kiev maybe done but we can try 2nd and 3rd tier cities. I live in San Francisco but I usually travel to poor cities like Sacramento, Vallejo, Stockton etc for girls.
Poker Player 2
06-12-17, 05:35
I raised this issue some time ago and was advised by some senior members that visa free travel by Ukraine Citizens will make no difference to our hobby as those who want to go, have already gone. No matter how much I wish this to be true, my mind tells me otherwise. At the very least, I think it will affect the price and may well affect availability as well. According to the piece below, they expect an increase of 30% for Ukraine citizens armed with bio metric passports, going abroad. Certainly, they have will have no work visa but when did that stop working girls? They pay no tax anyway and what they do is not legal in all places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpXw3Vf8n10
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348
For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.
Let us hope I'm wrong.
DramaFree11
06-13-17, 04:03
To be honest, it's not a great idea. Kiev itself is a wonderful city, and the nightlife is pretty damn good but the monger scene is not suitable for first time visitors unless you have spent time and energy cultivating contacts on the ground. You'll be able to get by without Russian, but it will limit your ability to communicate when contacting service providers.
My advice would be fish where the fish are, and the fish aren't in Kiev (at least not without the right level of groundwork).Good post, Kiev is a great place to visit, but I have to respectfully disagree the nightlife is pretty bad with the exception of Friday night. The rest of the week is not very good, even Saturday night is hit or miss. I would not go to Kiev for the girls or the nightlife. If you do not have local knowledge you will probably be disappointed. Money will help a little, but not much.
Normal Guy 2
06-13-17, 07:53
I will be visiting the Caribbean again this year and was wondering what it was like now-a-days. Posts that I read seem to say that it is slow. Slow, but still possible -- or gone?
I was used to 2000 UAH plus a small extra for Security to let the girl leave. Is that still the case?
What are the going rates? Recommendations always welcome.
My favorite was Annaitchka.
Norm.
LuisVega11
06-13-17, 15:09
Open visa is very good in some way.
1- those who have already gone are a lot of girl who wanted a lot of money and already were impossible to bang.
2- visa free open chance to normal girl to travel behind invitation.
3- 2 weeks in Europe cost them 1400 euro. Practically 1% of girl can have this sum working or by family. Now you can meet the girl in Kiev and even if you not bang them you can invite just paying flight. (I read somewhere they need to show money for the period of stay abroad and hotel reservation anyway, so it must be understood how this will impact invitation. If I invite a girl 2 weeks, I pay flight, but if she not have money, she need to show for europe at least 500 600 euro, near 50 euro day of holiday, so at this point was better old visa method for them also.
4- in case they need only flight many will come without problem if they get you in Kiev, and once at your place they bang like crazy, more than in Kiev for sure.
5- once visa scheme was mostly a rip off from usr girls or agency who asked a lot of money to do visa and buy ticket and at the end didn't even come to Europe. Now they can't steal any money. Biometric passport cost 40 50 euro. That's it.
6- Schengen will de fact change the flux of tourism to turkey to europe. Most girl travel to turkey and deal with turkish cause turkish men could invite them to sea easily. Now that in europe is the same, most of girl will be more interested to european who goes Kiev.
Personally I already have three girl, one a model very beautiful, line up to come summer. But I want understand everything before invite. If they can only come with flight ticket, I will cut my cost and reduce staying in Kiev by half.
Most girl will dream to spend lot off money on holiday when they come, thinking a lot of gift also. I don't care. When they arrive I will cook at home, sometimes dinner, beach all day, and one gift only, and from first night bang them like hell, if they not bang I open the door and kick them in the road. I'm sure they decide to fuck.
I repeat be strong with these girl. Ukrainian man who pay for holiday fuck the hell out of them. If they come to your place and act like princess put them in the road with their suitcase and tell them pay hotel. They will be back in room in 12 nanoseconds.
DramaFree11
06-13-17, 15:33
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40241348
For some reason I still feel this is the final nail on the coffin of the Kiev P4P.
Let us hope I'm wrong.Sorry, Kiev has been dead for a couple of years now. It is very easy to get Visa's, my friend provides Visa's for girls and has 95% approval rate, to the States and Europe. (Multi Entry) Mostly all fake financial information, they just pay someone to do the face financial statements.
Poker Player 2
06-13-17, 19:02
Certainly, this development is positive for inviting girls to visit you in your home country but I am not sure how it can be good for price and availability of girls in Kiev.
Open visa is very good in some way.
1- those who have already gone are a lot of girl who wanted a lot of money and already were impossible to bang.
2- visa free open chance to normal girl to travel behind invitation.
3- 2 weeks in Europe cost them 1400 euro. Practically 1% of girl can have this sum working or by family. Now you can meet the girl in Kiev and even if you not bang them you can invite just paying flight. (I read somewhere they need to show money for the period of stay abroad and hotel reservation anyway, so it must be understood how this will impact invitation. If I invite a girl 2 weeks, I pay flight, but if she not have money, she need to show for europe at least 500 600 euro, near 50 euro day of holiday, so at this point was better old visa method for them also.
4- in case they need only flight many will come without problem if they get you in Kiev, and once at your place they bang like crazy, more than in Kiev for sure.
5- once visa scheme was mostly a rip off from usr girls or agency who asked a lot of money to do visa and buy ticket and at the end didn't even come to Europe. Now they can't steal any money. Biometric passport cost 40 50 euro. That's it.
6- Schengen will de fact change the flux of tourism to turkey to europe. Most girl travel to turkey and deal with turkish cause turkish men could invite them to sea easily. Now that in europe is the same, most of girl will be more interested to european who goes Kiev.
Personally I already have three girl, one a model very beautiful, line up to come summer. But I want understand everything before invite. If they can only come with flight ticket, I will cut my cost and reduce staying in Kiev by half.
Most girl will dream to spend lot off money on holiday when they come, thinking a lot of gift also. I don't care. When they arrive I will cook at home, sometimes dinner, beach all day, and one gift only, and from first night bang them like hell, if they not bang I open the door and kick them in the road. I'm sure they decide to fuck.
I repeat be strong with these girl. Ukrainian man who pay for holiday fuck the hell out of them. If they come to your place and act like princess put them in the road with their suitcase and tell them pay hotel. They will be back in room in 12 nanoseconds.
Stavvrrooss
06-14-17, 16:44
I finally got backpage working by proxy. I see a lot of beautiful girls OMG! All 10+ models. Are you going to meet the girls look like those photos Are they real or only half of them are real? These are all 10+ in San Francisco bay area standard. If I can tap on those ass, I'll be super man.All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.
Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.
In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.
It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.
Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?
Guys,
I'm an old veteran of the Ukrainian sex front and I want you all to be a bit easier. You do not need to be too pretentious or complicated. I just need to be trivial. We just need to be active and approach these girls and communicate with them. This is all that is needed. You do not need complicated solutions and brilliant flirting. You do not need to be a Casanova. This does not mean that we should behave with Ukrainians chicks as Arabs or the guys from Turkey. No. You do not need.
I have known a girl in Kharkov for a long time. She is pretty nice, not a miss universe, she has a little short legs but her face is beautiful as well as her ability to work tonque around the penis.
She lived 3 years in the hostel for students and knows a lot of funny and very spicy stories. This is a story about the relationship of Ukrainian female students with guys from Arab countries and Turkey. And also even with blacks. So I know quite well about the,inaccessibility, of Ukrainian beauties. Next to her room lived two girlfriends girls. One is pretty. The other is also not bad. They were from another city and studied in Kharkiv.
In this hostel lived a lot of guys from Arab countries and also guys from Ukraine. This girl loved to dress sexy. She had a beautiful ass and she often wore short shorts. In the hostel common to all the kitchen. My friend Elena as it said to her, so that the Arabs do not finish (cum) looking at you, Inna)). Or that these guys did not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) you. Also several Ukrainian guys wanted to have a relationship with her. There is nothing strange about the fact that the Arab guys very soon noticed her and began to pay attention to her. She understood her power and a little teased them. They made her compliments in the kitchen and admired her beautiful body. She was flirting with them. Once Elena saw in the corridor how one of these guys took this Inna by the hand and tries to invite her to visit her on some Arab holiday. He was a little drunk and a bit sexually aroused. Next to this hostel was a large disco for students. Once Elena saw how this Arab invited Inna to dance and began to iron her. Then these Arabs invited Inna and her roommate to a restaurant. Elena tells them with a sense of humor. You understand that soon they will demand that you sleep with them. Sometimes these girlfriends made parties in their room and invited other students to a glass of wine. This Inna had an affair with one Ukrainian guy who lived in this hostel and this guy once started fighting the Arab. But she was from that breed of women who like to tease many men. But she kept these guys from Jordan or Syria in the distance to play with them. Then like these two Arabs came to these girls (who invited them to a restaurant).
Probably they wanted a little more than just a conversation. Lena came to them in the room to give an electric kettle or something and witnessed an emotional scene-On the table stood an expensive wine-One of these guys was sitting on the bed near Inna and tried to put her hand on her thigh and the other Arab was already beginning to stroke her friend's breasts. Inna's girlfriend tried to take his hand away but in vain. Inna saw Elena and told the Arabs that they were leaving. We need to sleep. Elena left the room and, near the door of her room, heard that these guys did not want to leave. Their voices were rude and insistent. Then it became quiet and lena thought that the Arabs had left. After an hour or two she went out of her room to the toilet or shower. She passed the door of the room of these girls-Inna and another girl. She heard that playing music but apart from the music she heard something else)) The beds in the hostel are old and so they creak loudly. She heard the sounds of male orgasm. Also loud groans of Inna and the voice of her friend who was also close to orgasm. And also spanking on the pope. Or some of these guys have already finished, but someone fucked hard. She also learned the voices of these Arab guys. A few days Elena forgot to knock on the room to Inna and went in. She saw how Inna kisses with an Arab and his cock sticks out. Then she often heard how the sounds of hard sex were heard in the room of the Inna and loud moaning Inna during sex.
Once she had drunk wine with her girlfriend. And Lena asked her-how could these Arabs seduce you? Because you probably had an affair with them? Confess. How are they in bed? Good lovers or not? This girl confessed that they wanted to drive out the Arabs, but one of them hit Inna (. But not much. She said that she herself was already wet between her legs. She heard that Inna cried. The Arabs turned off the light and stroked them. She said that 10 minutes later she saw how Inna sucks a dick of this guy on the bed. I told her-Inna, I was so scared. I thought that Arab would kill you. Then Inna confessed to her the next day that she had finished during sex in that night. Then Lena saw expensive boots in Inna's shoes. Inna admitted that she and her friend found a sweet sponsor of the pope. She said that this guy lives in Israel but has a business in Kharkov. Sometimes he fucks them but basically licking them pussy. She told -Lena-imagine, we lie together with Jana 2 hours on the bed. He licks and licks our pussy. I have already finished two times. Yana ends. I'm thinking about where we'll go to dinner and about shopping. And he's all Licks and licks. Well let him lick. Just easy money. But sometimes he is under cocaine.
This is the story that she told me. She characterizes a little the character and mentality of Slavic women and features of the Arabian flirtation haha.
All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.
Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.
In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.
It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.
Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?Good advice thanks. Whoa all the 10's are in Dubai. Damn so its over. Poltava and Kharkiv and Livi?
LuisVega11
06-15-17, 12:01
All photos are fake, even when they say they are real.
Indeed picking up girls on the street "Italian style" is the best thing you can do in Kiev. If you can deal with rejection, if you can stomach getting 4-5 girls ignoring you, and keep a positive attitude, it's very likely number 6 will play ball (or balls.
In terms of clubs, Dali was quite empty last 2 weekends, or at least not running at full capacity. The hottest girls I've seen are in Skybar (Arena), they are very approachable, but not the little dumb students you pick up on the street, that place requires more game.
It is true that it's fairly useless to pay for sex in Kiev, because the 10's are in Dubai, and you won't find them online. If you got the right attitude and mindset, pick up on the street during the day. If not, better try FKK Clubs in Germany.
Can anyone give feedback re strip club Doll House, compared with Rio? Is it better, same?I complete agree with you. Going in Kiev and deal with mamba back page is a total waste of time and rip off.
Just walk and do your work.
Be strong and decisive. Last time I met a nice girl, super body, face good. After 5 minutes I said you want sponsor- it's important you put emphasis on this kind of paid relation and not treat them like cheap prostitutes_ she agreed to 1000 gr meeting 2 hours 3 hours.
I was not really on her so I didn't call her. But I do another one and she agreed for 40 dollar meet. She always go in Buddha bar asking much more per night but she said like me want kind of relation bla bla. Clearly not all girl end up with relation, but just a fuck and bye bye.
Kiev is super good for meeting nice normal girl, go out, deal friendship and maybe bang for free.
Good advice thanks. Whoa all the 10's are in Dubai. Damn so its over. Poltava and Kharkiv and Livi?All the 10's are in Dubai-It's a bit weird. It means that all beautiful Ukrainian girls are elite prostitutes (You can call such a nation where all the most beautiful women work in the sex industry? It's just fantastic. I suggest just making an experiment-to arrive in Kharkov in the afternoon to the city center where there are many universities and students and offices, and use a camera or smartphone. You just need to stand in the city center for several hours and shoot all the people on the video. You will see a large number of very different girls-6's-7's-9-10's. Etc. This is not a very complicated experiment.
What they do in Kharkov in the daytime? They should suck Arab dicks? Yes or not?
Also you can become with the camera near the entrance to a large university near the park Shevchenko. The high famous building.
Jonathan Pine
06-15-17, 15:14
Tomek,
I've been reading your reports with great interests because as you said you speak the local language and understand local mentality.
From your reports I'm under the impression that many girls, or most of the girls in Ukraine have local boyfriends, have sex with some random guys on the side, while have some older local or foreign sponsors all the the same time.
I have two questions and I'd be very interested to know your thoughts. First, are the girls in Ukraine really this classy (I'm being sarcastic here)? Because basically from what you're saying is that most of them are practically [Deleted by Admin].
Secondly, if this is true, how do local guys feel about this? After all local guys are the ones that marry these girls and have families with them.
AntonySun1996
06-15-17, 21:30
Hi gentlemen,
This is my first detailed report in this forum.
Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.
I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste. So generally speaking she was an absolutely valid 10 to my eyes.
She is a university student in Kiev and speak only little English and I speak a little Russian, so with the help of google translate we could communicate quite well. She had a quite nice personality and smiled a lot. She was also quite educated and we even talked about poetry. I invited her to dinner and than came back to hotel. She stayed whole night for, I don't remember precisely, no more than 8000 grivnas. We fucked really hard. By the way, I'm young and not very experienced in sex, but she knew quite well how to guide me. An absolutely unforgettable night. For the remaining night in Kiev of that visit, she, of course, became my only choice.
During my second trip to Kiev in May, I bought a nice laptop to Zhanna as a gift which costed me about 3000 dollars. She was really happy and asked if I want to be her sponsor. I really liked her so we talked about sponsorship and made a deal of 30000 grivnas per month.
I also tried clubs just out of curiosity, because I've never been to any clubs before. Went to Rio which I knew from this site. Nothing interesting worth reporting. Watched strip dances, bribed a manager, chose a girl available to take out, 300 usd 3 hours, and that's all. That night I was tired and drunk and not really in the mood. And the girl looked not really hot once her walked out of the club. So after about half an hour I let her go.
Also tried some apartments mentioned by other members in this forum before as well as new ones that I found with the help of taxi drivers. In some places they have girls raged from 6 to 8 but in others the girls looked ugly or fat and just unfuckable. So it to a large extent depends on your luck. Prices were about 1000 to 2000 grv depending on the quality of the girl. Also when I walked on K street near Arena some guy approached and gave a card to me inviting me to his "salon", but I didn't try this.
So what I'm planning to do next is to visit Zhanna in Kiev more frequently and also invite her to my country. She is such a nice girl, I think I already fell in love with her.
So my advise would be as follows:
1. Pick a number on an escort website (but don't believe the photos, mostly fake).
2. Contact the agency behind the number.
3. Ask for real photos of their girls and choose one you like (if none of them is to your taste, move on and try again, you will find one).
4. Meet the girl.
5. If you really like the girl, hold her tight. You may like to consider sponsoring her if you are a frequent visitor to Ukraine, otherwise you may just try to get her personal contact and arrange another meeting when you visit Ukraine next time.
Please notice that the truly hot girls on the website ads under control of agencies are very little, but still exist. Don't get upset if you don't success in your first few times. All you need to do is to try more (and also a little good luck).
My humble opinions.
If you have any questions please ask.
Also many thanks and respect to fellow forum members who contribute to the forum and have helped me a lot.
Lastly I would like to apologise again for my limited English skills as English is not my native language. Hope you could understand me.
Good luck to you all!
Anthony.
Jonathan Pine,
Yes. But how can you prove it? You'll tell her-dear, I know that yesterday you sucked a member of a 45-year-old guy with a Lexus. You can not blame the girl without solid proofs. Also the girl can tell the sponsor that she has a permanent BF for relationships. To avoid ridiculous situations and phone calls. You underestimate the insidiousness and wit of women. My friend. Besides, today you have a regular guy. And tomorrow you quarrelled and parted. An ordinary situation for Ukraine or Russia. And you are a little lonely and free for a while. Looking for a new guy can last a month, maybe half a year. If you are demanding. And find a good guy in Ukraine is not very easy. The competition between the girls is high, because the guys are few Girls are more than boys. In Ukraine. And in Russia. Ukraine and Russia are women's countries. It's not China where men fight for every girl and pussy is valued.
A man in Europe and the United States is not appreciated.
Why? Because around you there are millions of guys and most of them have a job and a salary. So a beautiful girl in the US or Europe refers to a man as a piece of shit. In Ukraine and Russia there is no such concept popular in the United States as the word,loser, if you have not died at 37 years old from vodka or drugs in Ukraine then you are already a successful successful person. You have already achieved success because you are alive and do not lie under the gravestone in the cemetery.
While the guys in Ukraine love to change their girls and fuck other girls. Society refers to this as normal. If you are a man, then you can sometimes fuck another girl. I knew the story when a guy fucked his bride's sister and then fucked her best friend and wanted to fuck her several other girlfriends too.
Maybe in the US it would be the reason for the divorce. But she continues to live with this guy. If she throws this guy, then who will she find in his place? She will find about the same guy. So why then change the blue dog to a green crocodile? If the result is the same. Maybe she will find a guy who will not fuck all the women around. Yeah. But he will have other drawbacks. For example, drinking. Or a tendency to violence. Or to gambling. Better to live with a fucker than with a loodoman or boxer on Kitchen or narkoman.
And now you broke up with your boyfriend. Who did not have money. And who often drank beer for your money. This is often in Ukraine. It's a country of gigolos and parasites. So why do not you suck a few American or Turkish dicks until Do you have free time? I recently had a relationship with a girl in Kharkov. She was not ready to have sex with me. But I liked her beauty and the age of 18 years. I really wanted to fuck her and several times masturbating remembering her. She has a fantastic ass. And cool breasts. Its only drawback is a rude little male voice and a birthmark on her cheek. Then I offered her just oral sex and nothing more. No penetration into her pussy or anal.
She refused. But then she told me she was ready to give me oral sex but only in condom. I gave her 500 hryvnia. She earned about 20 bucks in about 15 minutes. She works in a supermarket. This is a small salary. About 4000 hryvnia per month. She came to my apartment. We drank coffee and talked a bit. Then I went to the shower and went naked. I rubbed her breast a little.
She massaged and masturbated my dick / Then she put on a condom and started sucking. I massaged her tits at this time. In 15 or 20 minutes I finished. She received 15% of her monthly salary for 20 minutes of work with her mouth! She could at home alone dressing a condom on a banana or cucumber and sucking it 20 minutes for fun. She did the same thing only instead of a cucumber or a banana it was my cock and she got for it 20 bucks!!
Twice she sucked my cock in the condom and twice she masturbated my cock until the end. One time I finished her on the chest.
20 minutes to suck latex condom without contact with male sperm. Just latex. All clean and sterile. And a little masturbate a man's hand. Get for it 500 hryvnia and go to a cafe with his boyfriend. Is it bad. It's absolutely easy money. This is not anal sex. It's fast and sterile. She's a good girl. But if she lives in such a poor country how can we blame her? How you can work and live for such scanty money. It's a meager salary for a person. We can not blame her and insult her. If a Swedish or Norwegian girl does so, then this is a completely different situation. Norvegia is a rich country. But how can we blame this poor girl / For her boyfriend 500 hryvnia is a lot of money. But for me it's not a lot of money. Why can not I help her? I'm cultured and polite.
Hi gentlemen,
During my second trip to Kiev in May, I bought a nice laptop to Zhanna as a gift which costed me about 3000 dollars. She was really happy and asked if I want to be her sponsor. I really liked her so we talked about sponsorship and made a deal of 30000 grivnas per month.
Anthony.What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.
That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....
SanGaetano
06-16-17, 09:40
I agree with Volpone. Sounds like strange. Like a gold digger could be behind the post, but OK, just my unimportant opinion, no offense. The Problem with Captains SAH and suggar daddies is that, specially in Ukraine, they are becoming very frequent. Unfortunately for all other "normal's" mongers (aka the guys who just want that pussy, pay for the sex and then goodbye) who then meet such girls and they will be "expecting" the same kind of treatment. Sorry diggers, my salary is not that high.
What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.
That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....
You don't mention the name of the escort web site you used. That would be helpful.
What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.
That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."
The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.
LuisVega11
06-16-17, 11:49
What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.
That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....Kiev is poor in the paper. All girl are richer than me and you especially the nice and beauty.
I live here long period know many people. All have lot of cash you cannot even imagine. The country is poor cause nobody pay taxes practically.
Kiev is poor in the paper. All girl are richer than me and you especially the nice and beauty.
I live here long period know many people. All have lot of cash you cannot even imagine. The country is poor cause nobody pay taxes practically.I have also lived long periods in Kiev LuisVega and you are right there are some inhabitants of Kiev full of cash or that own many flats, but that's a minority in comparison of the people living in Kiev. You are also right that some top notch girls are rich, but again, that's not the majority of girls in Kiev. Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window. I hope the girl is a real 10.
Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the windowYes and No;.
If a bakery sells bread for 1 $ per bread, everyone pays the 1 $ but suddenly there comes an invasion of customers who just happily drop 50 $ for the same bread, the baker will likely consider to increase the price of a bread as he understood that his bread is even in demand if he's asking a higher price.
I hope the girl is a real 10.He wrote according to his taste she was a 10+.
I personally would have my doubts "a bit fat, cup F hooters".
AntonySun1996
06-17-17, 16:30
You don't mention the name of the escort web site you used. That would be helpful.My apologies. I forgot to mention. It was relaxportal. But be aware, most of the profiles are fake.
AntonySun1996
06-17-17, 16:41
Well, you are right, it might not be the best deal for me. She asked me for that amount and I agreed immediately. I didn't know much about the market and had no idea what amount would be fair. Maybe next time when I'm faced with the similar situation I would do some bargain. However that girl is really nice, with pretty face and big boobs. You can rarely see girls with that size of boobs in any part of the world even in Ukraine, so I did my best to keep her.
What a deal Anthony! I think your girl is going to get a high salary now. To rent a new 2 bedrooms apartment in the center or Petchersk, she needs around 15-20000 grivnas. With your 30000 grivnas you could have a harem of girls and not one. You are in the poorest country in Europe Anthony, a country that is equal to some poor countries in South America. Many people live in Kiev with 4-8000 UAH. How can you give her 30 000 UAH a month? And you are a young guy. I can't imagine when you will be old how much you are going to pay.
That's a good joke Anthony anyway. Nobody would pay that amount for a month....and for a computer for someone you barely know....Thanks for the good laugh....
Jonathan Pine
06-17-17, 18:19
I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."
The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.They are not the worst ones.
The worst are the ones trying to scam money, period. The ones looking for sponsors would at least fulfil their part of the contract.
Yeah I also had someone said to me that she needed a computer to do school work and that she didn't have a computer.
I also had someone told me that she could no longer contact me because her cell phone was stolen. I happened to have a spare older iPhone. But she said her friend says iPhone 6 was better. At the time iPhone 6 was the latest.
They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.
They all tell the same lies. Oh, and they all say they're not like other girls. And if you accuse them, they'll say they're greatly offended. There must be some kind of online forum where girls learn to scam because they all say the exact same things.Also be careful for the taxi scam which goes as follows:
A girl wants to date but lives in Borispol or even further away and she needs money for the Taxi. Uber or Uklon is not good as she had bad experience with that so she will ask 1000 grivna for the taxi.
Which is fine for 1 time, but knowing most girls just are available for shagging after 3 dates it will be an amount (3000 grivna) where you can better play on safe for by getting 2 x an escort for 1500.
Cheers!
Hey bro,
You must be loaded. Imac pro and 30,000 a month. I got friends who own a few houses in SF and would not pay that kind of money. I heard that 9000 uah is average income there. Oh man I think its too late now with EU open doors for them, more and more people knows Kiev. This game is over. And as some said, they are not poor, they are just poor on paper. I see a lot more brand new range rovers than SF. The girls are the economic driving force for Kiev and that tells you how many people they scammed.
Hi gentlemen,
This is my first detailed report in this forum.
Sorry for this late report I promised before since I had to deal with the university stuff, and also sorry for my limited English in advance, but I will try my best to be understood.
I have been in Kiev twice, once in February and once in May, each time stayed their for about two weeks. During my first trip I tried internet for most of my time and not surprisingly found that most profiles were fake. The first time I called a girl who looks a super model on the page but a babushka in her 40's showed up. The second time, however, was an unexpected success. I browsed on that escort website again and texted to a number, asking if the girl shown on the website is available, and got a negative reply. However, she (an agent, obviously) said they have other girls working and then send their photos to me via WhatsApp. Around five girls in total as I remember, all looked ordinary and boring, but I was so horny that I picked one called Zanna anyway. Zanna later came to my hotel and when I saw her I was absolutely surprised -- she was so beautiful and in good shape, and definitely a lot more hotter than what appeared on the photo, when was absolutely beyond my wildest expectations. I got surprised further when she got undressed -- white and silky skin, big boobs (size F, the biggest I've seen in the real world LOL), also big ass. The only shortcoming is that she's just a little fat, but this is negligible since who would care about this if she has such big boobs and ass. Also a little fattish girls are to my personal taste..
I have also lived long periods in Kiev LuisVega and you are right there are some inhabitants of Kiev full of cash or that own many flats, but that's a minority in comparison of the people living in Kiev. You are also right that some top notch girls are rich, but again, that's not the majority of girls in Kiev. Anyway that is his money, so he can throw it through the window. I hope the girl is a real 10.A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.
DramaFree11
06-18-17, 22:02
A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.Agree 100%.
A girl with huge boobs, a big ass, and a little bit fat would never be above a 5 in my book no matter how pretty she is. But the good thing is that we all have different tastes. I suspect such a girl is not in high demand in Kiev so the 30 K grivnas / mo is outrageous, but he can pay whatever he wants. I spent about 30 K dollars traveling with a girl over 2 years and I don't regret it on bit. It was a lot more fun than buying a new car.That's exactly how I live my life too. No nice car needed, I just want to travel the world and swimming with sea turtles and flying with the birds. I drive a used Prius 54 mpg. All money go into traveling. I think that is a great plan. Spend 30 k to travel with a girl but I think 5 k on each girl and travel with 6 different girls at 6 different times would be nicer.
I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."
The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.I had a sponsor girl for the better past of a year in Moscow some years ago and learned most of her tricks and capers. Fortunately she was not particularly greedy and did not ask for gifts. I was pretty generous without being asked and she had the good sense not to push my generosity. However, one evening we went out to a cafe where a small group of her friends just happened to be sitting. I offered to invite them to our table (I was paying of course) which ended up paying huge dividends that night because she was able to show off to her friends that her sponsor could afford to host them all for desert and drinks. This is an important point amongst girls who live this particular "life".
Bliss, I am sure you know this already but I think it's worth mentioning as a point of interest to our friends. The Mac Book Pro is not the point to this girl. It is the fact that she can "command" a Mac Book Pro from you. It's about bragging rights. It's about "game". Just as we mongers love to show off to our friends that we were able to bag a 9 or a 10 for next to nothing, these girls love to show off to their friends that they were able to persuade their "Amerikanits" or their "Anglichainets" to spring for an expensive bit of kit. Trophies to be sure.
ust as we mongers love to show off to our friends that we were able to bag a 9 or a 10 for next to nothing, these girls love to show off to their friends that they were able to persuade their "Amerikanits" or their "Anglichainets" to spring for an expensive bit of kit. Trophies to be sure.Hi Jake,
I totally understand your opinion.
It must be said that the particular girl is 30 years old, 1.60 (5,2 ft) tall and a bit fatty. Not more than a 6+ for me. (I am 35 yo, 1.8 m / 6 ft tall and 75 kilo).
As she repeatedly told me she is looking only for a serious relationship and only wants long term blablabla I started to believe her a bit before we met. I'm not on mongering holiday in Ukraine so I'm preferably looking for some fixed relationship or life partner. Of course I understand that all girls in every corner of the world need to be maintained, however demanding a mac book pro within the first 2 hours of meeting while claiming to be going for something serious is IMHO just utterly nonsense.
Cheers!
When they ask money separately for a taxi, I use one of 3 replies (1)"Just use the metro. Take your time. There is no rush. I use the metro every day. If it is good enough for me, it is good enough for you. " (2) "Where are you? I will send you my driver to pick you up". They refuse, of course, because they are usually a 10-minute ride away, and cannot justify the 200 UAH they were asking for a taxi. That is how much I pay from the airport! (3) "just give me a total, with everything included!
Also be careful for the taxi scam which goes as follows:
A girl wants to date but lives in Borispol or even further away and she needs money for the Taxi. Uber or Uklon is not good as she had bad experience with that so she will ask 1000 grivna for the taxi.
Which is fine for 1 time, but knowing most girls just are available for shagging after 3 dates it will be an amount (3000 grivna) where you can better play on safe for by getting 2 x an escort for 1500.
Cheers!
LuisVega11
06-20-17, 13:30
If you can not argue with respect. Your reports will not be posted.
A3
I just kicked a girl away after 2 days. She needed a Mac Book Pro blablabla, because then she could stay longer with me, as she had some course she could follow. I showed her my 500 $ laptop, and my IT company, and asked her why the hell she needs a MacBook pro while I can do professionally the most complicated tasks on my laptop which is 1/6th of her 3 k Macbook pro. Of course she didn't know what to answer "yes my friends say its good."
The worst ones are the ones who actually are looking for sponsors but say they are looking for a serious relationship and attack you with all their tricks and cheats.She clearly told you what she was about. Either manipulate the situation for what it is or kick her to the curb. If you are looking for a common future, absolutely no reason to start rationalizing things with someone that sees you only as a walking ATM. Your "why the hell she needs a MacBook pro" serves only to alienate. " Yes sweetheart, I'm planning to buy you a MacBook, may I now have a taste of your honey cave". Way better response.
DramaFree11
06-20-17, 16:08
When they ask money separately for a taxi, I use one of 3 replies (1)"Just use the metro. Take your time. There is no rush. I use the metro every day. If it is good enough for me, it is good enough for you. " (2) "Where are you? I will send you my driver to pick you up". They refuse, of course, because they are usually a 10-minute ride away, and cannot justify the 200 UAH they were asking for a taxi. That is how much I pay from the airport! (3) "just give me a total, with everything included!Great answer, this is how I handled the situation myself.
Amazing report Stevie69. One of the best I ever read. I have some questions on girls on Tinder though.
I have matched with quite a few and I can't figure out if they're working or not. One girl had a long conversation with me and then agreed to meet for dinner / drinks and then asked me how long I was staying. I said 3 weeks and I will be back every few months for work, and she said that wasn't a long time to get to know each other "or you look here for somebody for relax." What the heck does that mean? Does relax mean sex? Also, another tinder girls first message was "what are you looking for here." I am unsure how to respond to these. Should I be straight forward or do I need to act like I am looking just to meet? I am trying to figure out if they are trying to offer their services or weeding out guys who are just looking for sex. I have seen a number of profiles that say "looking for serious relationship." But the girls def look like hookers. LOL. I am confused. Any help will be appreciated.
Greetings,
I recently had a trip to Kiev and Odessa over March and April. I was there twice over a period of 2 months, for a total of 23 days. My previous trip was 10 months ago. I will have to disagree with the naysayers here. If you do your homework and if you go relatively often, the more often the better, you can still have a fantastic time for a relatively low price.
Instead of doing a play by play, I will instead just deal with a few key points. It will be less salacious, but more informative.
My general philosophy.
Briefly, in my opinion, an airport bus is preferable to a taxi, an apartment is better to a hotel, and the much talked about Rio is too expensive. If I were willing to pay 300 USD, I would just stay at home. On top of the usual venues (bars, clubs, cafes, and the street), I shall add conventions (there are many, some to your interest, and maybe you can get your employer to pay for your trip), English teaching forums, and when the weather is favourable, beaches and parks..
Liverpool1208
06-22-17, 01:20
I have been reading the Kiev, Germany and Romanian thread for a week now. And among this three I do not know which one to choose to go for some mongering and enjoy myself. This is the first time I am planning to travel to Europe. So I would like to know, how easy or hard is it to find street hookers in Kiev? Romanian women look more hot but after reading their thread, have a slight change of heart.
Also those mentioned websites, how high is the chance that it's a fake profile? I have tried mamba and have had some replies but they are just 4-5 looking. So any advice is appreciated. Thanks a lot.
Amazing report Stevie69. One of the best I ever read. I have some questions on girls on Tinder though.
I have matched with quite a few and I can't figure out if they're working or not. One girl had a long conversation with me and then agreed to meet for dinner / drinks and then asked me how long I was staying. I said 3 weeks and I will be back every few months for work, and she said that wasn't a long time to get to know each other "or you look here for somebody for relax." What the heck does that mean? Does relax mean sex? Also, another tinder girls first message was "what are you looking for here." I am unsure how to respond to these. Should I be straight forward or do I need to act like I am looking just to meet? I am trying to figure out if they are trying to offer their services or weeding out guys who are just looking for sex. I have seen a number of profiles that say "looking for serious relationship." But the girls def look like hookers. LOL. I am confused. Any help will be appreciated.Yes relax can mean sex or holiday. Best to be straightforward, if you just want sex say so, if you want sex and go to dinners, bars and tours say so. If you are looking for a girlfriend and want a long term relationship tell her. Serious relationship means they want someone who will be a boyfriend with the potential to marry. It does not exclude a quick fling. I'm not sure if Mamba has the same database as Flirt. Ru or the hundred others that share it but they also are used by locals to find other locals for relationships so there are the full spread of girls to work with.
Amazing report Stevie69. One of the best I ever read. I have some questions on girls on Tinder though.
I have matched with quite a few and I can't figure out if they're working or not. One girl had a long conversation with me and then agreed to meet for dinner / drinks and then asked me how long I was staying. I said 3 weeks and I will be back every few months for work, and she said that wasn't a long time to get to know each other "or you look here for somebody for relax." What the heck does that mean? Does relax mean sex? Also, another tinder girls first message was "what are you looking for here." I am unsure how to respond to these. Should I be straight forward or do I need to act like I am looking just to meet? I am trying to figure out if they are trying to offer their services or weeding out guys who are just looking for sex. I have seen a number of profiles that say "looking for serious relationship." But the girls def look like hookers. LOL. I am confused. Any help will be appreciated.I mostly say "I'm looking for new friends, I don't exclude anything, but won't say no to a good girl who can be my soulmate and life partner."
If hookers-lookalikes still insist in serious relationship, offer them to meet for a coffee in the afternoon or after dinner "I've got some business dinners but after I' m available for a coffee."
I have been reading the Kiev, Germany and Romanian thread for a week now. And among this three I do not know which one to choose to go for some mongering and enjoy myself. This is the first time I am planning to travel to Europe. So I would like to know, how easy or hard is it to find street hookers in Kiev? Romanian women look more hot but after reading their thread, have a slight change of heart.
Also those mentioned websites, how high is the chance that it's a fake profile? I have tried mamba and have had some replies but they are just 4-5 looking. So any advice is appreciated. Thanks a lot.The German FKKs are full of Romanian girls.
I have been reading the Kiev, Germany and Romanian thread for a week now. And among this three I do not know which one to choose to go for some mongering and enjoy myself. This is the first time I am planning to travel to Europe. So I would like to know, how easy or hard is it to find street hookers in Kiev? Romanian women look more hot but after reading their thread, have a slight change of heart.
Also those mentioned websites, how high is the chance that it's a fake profile? I have tried mamba and have had some replies but they are just 4-5 looking. So any advice is appreciated. Thanks a lot.In Kiev there are no street hookers. You need to go to Thailand for this. At the exit of the city on the highway there are prostitutes, but you need to have a car.
It's better to go to Germany or Romania.
Normal Guy 2
06-23-17, 21:51
Caribbean Club is better than it was a year ago. Always a few girls asking for 300 USD but there are plenty happy with 2500 UAH or I noticed them asking for 100 USD. 200 UAH for security.
They sit mainly on the left side or stand nearby. The club may have a policy prohibiting them from approaching you, so they will smile and flirt and stand near you, but you need to make the first move.
Yulia the blond or Annaitchka the little brunette are very accommodating.
Enjoy.
Norm.
Normal Guy 2
06-23-17, 21:53
My taxi driver told me that there was a district with bath houses that have very pretty young girls. He said that was the best area of town for mongering. Has anyone heard of this or know where the district is? Unfortunately I was on the way to the office and could not partake at that time.
Norm.
My taxi driver told me that there was a district with bath houses that have very pretty young girls. He said that was the best area of town for mongering. Has anyone heard of this or know where the district is? Unfortunately I was on the way to the office and could not partake at that time.
Norm.There is, was when I visited years ago a big sauna next door to a less known strip Club by the name, Tixi Omut Strip-Club TIXI OMUT.
http://www.afisha.ru/kiev/club/16667 . Located on the left side of the Dnipro in the area, Harkovski Raion.
Posted on the club back in 2010 Originally Posted by Jojosun.
"I posted on it few times here, and I think it is a well kept secret or something.
The club is next door to this seafood Restaurant, right on the river.
http://sprava.in.ua/en_rub_kiev_rest...er_1_2534.html
I was told that the area there is a bit rough at night, so I took a young taxi driver with me for the trip and I paid for him at the club as well. Was told that the sauna gets used later at night but the place and the area seemed to cater for Locals only.
Maybe the Bathhouses are in this are as well as the rents are cheaper?
On the way back to the center not that far from the club the driver took me to a wide dark street where street girls were hanging around.
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Poker Player 2
06-26-17, 18:13
I was speaking to a lady friend of mine who works as a travel agent in Kiev and she informed me that her office has noticed a significant increase in the number of Ukrainians going abroad this summer. I am not sure if this will continue but based on initial reports, the idea that visa free travel to the EU for Ukraine citizens has no affect on our hobby, appears to be only wishful thinking!
Best wishes.
Euroknight
06-27-17, 13:22
I was speaking to a lady friend of mine who works as a travel agent in Kiev and she informed me that her office has noticed a significant increase in the number of Ukrainians going abroad this summer. I am not sure if this will continue but based on initial reports, the idea that visa free travel to the EU for Ukraine citizens has no affect on our hobby, appears to be only wishful thinking!
Best wishes.Wow!, I would be happy to host some of these girls (I have a lot of space.).
Wow!, I would be happy to host some of these girls (I have a lot of space.).I have been talking to some girls on Mamba and I was targeting those who located in Kiev and Kharkiv but 1 or 2 weeks later, I noticed they changed their locations to near by EU countries too. SO I guess we are fucked. Need to go to poorer cities. That is very fucked up man!
Thank you.
Good answer. That is what I say too. You are always staying for 2 or 3 weeks, even when asked when you are on your way to the airport, and you are always returning in 3 or 4 months. The pros will think of you as a repeat costumer, and the non-pros as a possible long term relationship.
Yes, "relax" is code for sex. You can play the game the game too. Yes, you would like to relax with the right girl, to get to know her better. You meet for a coffee, lunch, or a drink and then invite her to your place. If she brings up money of a" a little gift" then you know what the game is. If not, and she says no, give her a second chance. If she still says no, then you should bring the idea of " a little gift to help her with her university". That way, you will get sex soon enough, whether paid or "free".
The real pros will come out right away and say "I only meet men for money". Another one sent me photos of herself with a cock in her mouth.
And, that is the beauty of eastern Europe, and particularly of Ukraine and Kiev, even the girls who want nothing more than to be your wife, think the best way to achieve their goal is to look like prostitutes. Once I had a Sunday brunch with a girl with whom I had been the previous night. She went home early in the morning. At brunch, she came with her 5-year old son, with high heels, tight leather pants, a push-up bra, and with heavy make up, immaculate nails, and glowing hair. To me, she looked fine when she left, but apparently, she had gone home and spent a couple of hours putting herself together before coming out again. In any other country, it would have been weird. I looked around, and there were at least 5 other women dressed as sexy as her. What a great country!
Amazing report Stevie69. One of the best I ever read. I have some questions on girls on Tinder though.
I have matched with quite a few and I can't figure out if they're working or not. One girl had a long conversation with me and then agreed to meet for dinner / drinks and then asked me how long I was staying. I said 3 weeks and I will be back every few months for work, and she said that wasn't a long time to get to know each other "or you look here for somebody for relax." What the heck does that mean? Does relax mean sex? Also, another tinder girls first message was "what are you looking for here." I am unsure how to respond to these. Should I be straight forward or do I need to act like I am looking just to meet? I am trying to figure out if they are trying to offer their services or weeding out guys who are just looking for sex. I have seen a number of profiles that say "looking for serious relationship." But the girls def look like hookers. LOL. I am confused. Any help will be appreciated.
I have not seen girls at "Club Bosphorus" settling for 100 USD, but I never really tried to negotiate that hard there. 2500 UAH is almost reasonable.
I do not thin they are prohibited from approaching men, but the place is just not conducive to interactions. It is better for them to stake out an area, cross their sexy legs and wait for men to approach. If they feel more aggressive, they move somewhere else, standing and try to attract men there. It just is not part of the culture for women to approach men, ever!
Why do you have to give money to security? You already paid an unreasonable cover charge. The girl paid her own cover fee. She can leave any time she wants. So can you. If you want, you can walk out separately and meet her outside. It is bad enough that the taxis are going to rip you off mercilessly when they see you walking out with a girl.
Caribbean Club is better than it was a year ago. Always a few girls asking for 300 USD but there are plenty happy with 2500 UAH or I noticed them asking for 100 USD. 200 UAH for security.
They sit mainly on the left side or stand nearby. The club may have a policy prohibiting them from approaching you, so they will smile and flirt and stand near you, but you need to make the first move.
Yulia the blond or Annaitchka the little brunette are very accommodating.
Enjoy.
Norm.
Well, there are not "typical" street hookers, but many of them walk up and down Kreshatik on weekends. The difficult part is differentiating the pros form the hundreds of non-pros, because they all dress alike.
In Kiev there are no street hookers. You need to go to Thailand for this. At the exit of the city on the highway there are prostitutes, but you need to have a car.
It's better to go to Germany or Romania.
CherchezFemme
06-29-17, 15:07
This explains very well the nature of Slavic women.I love reading your posts!
LuisVega11
06-30-17, 14:52
What surprises me is the feeling that as Europeans we are constantly been cheated by Europe.
We need another 20 millions people flooding Europe with cheaper job offer?
All my contact and many friends, especially the nice one are already flying in Europe. Mostly in Europe already. Many found men paying all and fucking them for penny. Most tell me they are going to work clearly.
Not tells as prostitute. Today one told me she will be a cook chef in restaurant. She not even know how to coffee, all girl going to work like Romanian and Moldavian in club strip.
I will not invite any this summer cause is too expensive. But in September October November I will invite one per week. Cheap flight, they are so bored in Kiev doing nothing in the cold. I suspect this free visa as opened.
Bad and good situation for us. Let's see.
Well, there are not "typical" street hookers, but many of them walk up and down Kreshatik on weekends. The difficult part is differentiating the pros form the hundreds of non-pros, because they all dress alike.I am Ukrainian and live in Kiev all the time. I have never seen prostitutes in Khreshchatyk in my life.
I have contacted a few backpage gals. Some offered $60, sum offered $100, sum offered 2000 uah not really pretty. 1 offered $200. They sent me real photos via viber. The $200 look like real model. Should I trust them? Once you ordered the gal, there is no return? I gave them nearby address then I go down to check her out, is that ok? If not good, can I return? Mamba gals, no real actions yet. All just talking.
If not, I will add that I have been propositioned right on the street. Maybe they ignore locals and focus on the foreigners.
I am Ukrainian and live in Kiev all the time. I have never seen prostitutes in Khreshchatyk in my life.
I am Ukrainian and live in Kiev all the time. I have never seen prostitutes in Khreshchatyk in my life.Hmmm. I think he means there are working girls around on the street-not necessarily actively marketing their wares. Or maybe girls that are "normal" for you as a local say different things when they are talking to westerners. There were certainly at least two girls on Khreshchatyk in 2014 that when I talked to them they made direct statements about being paid.
I have contacted a few backpage gals. Some offered $60, sum offered $100, sum offered 2000 uah not really pretty. 1 offered $200. They sent me real photos via viber. The $200 look like real model. Should I trust them? Once you ordered the gal, there is no return? I gave them nearby address then I go down to check her out, is that ok? If not good, can I return? Mamba gals, no real actions yet. All just talking.Bob,
If you're willing to pay 200 $ why do you need full of fake adds backpage? Just use mamba or go to Chi and pick girls from there.
Will be in July 17-18. Do anyone have recommendation where I might find beautiful incall girl that does CIM and COF? I Do not want to pay more than $100 for one hour.
Any help is appreciated.
On mamba, there were a few very honest to tell me "I will meet for $$" and 1 near by me minutes'ka metro. I think that 1 maybe the 1 our members met. Fair skin big tits not too short but just a little fatty. She sound honest tho and tell me just walk to her apt. Is that better to go to girls place? Backpages girls always want taxi money 250 uah. I told them minutes'ka metro is here but they just ignored me then. I think the supply and demand theory kick in. They don't seem desperate enough. I feel American girls are more desperate if they are working. The free EU visa thing is not completely easy for them I heard. They need to show assets but I know they can pay sum money to fix up all the paperwork. For the ones who want to make big money they already gone. My theory is that they don't get enough traffic here so they think its not worth to work hard. In San Francisco bay, there are enough traffic just like airbnb, everybody is willing to work hard because there are lots of traffic so the entire economic system work fast. All people are desperate. Oh well, I will stay longer here this time and see what will happen.
1 of mamba girls said:"I do not care about a single meeting, I'm looking for a permanent lover of the sponsor". How should I reply and still trying to get her do what I needed? My friend hired 1 assistant to work on his online marketing and pay her $350/ month and of course that girl became his GF now. She cook and clean up but not very pretty tho.
I haven't read everything on this forum but I remember 1 USSR dude who speak russian got a blonde 18 for only 2500 uah but she now need 200 euro. That girl is hot. Ya you can say 200 euro is worth it with that quality. Can he share her contact? Message me ok? But if you can't speak russians, does that mean getting girls with that quality at 2500 uah not possible?
Found 1 tall slim blonde on mamba but she said:"I'm sorry I am not interested in you But Wish you all the best And find perfect Ukrainian girl". I don't assume they are ho's so I usually write to them as wanting to have a meaningful normal relationship until they suggest $$ instead. Anyone with skills to change this situation? She is a little bit taller than me I know that. She didn't say she want sex on her ad.
Danish Traveler
07-03-17, 11:17
Yes, that is what it means. You can not get topgirl for less than 100 dollars if you do not speak one word russian. Learn it! Sponsor is very common in Russia and Ukraine where the pretty girls have a rich lover who pays her rent and give her shoppingmoney.
Ukraine girls know their worth.
1 of mamba girls said:"I do not care about a single meeting, I'm looking for a permanent lover of the sponsor". How should I reply and still trying to get her do what I needed? My friend hired 1 assistant to work on his online marketing and pay her $350/ month and of course that girl became his GF now. She cook and clean up but not very pretty tho.
I haven't read everything on this forum but I remember 1 USSR dude who speak russian got a blonde 18 for only 2500 uah but she now need 200 euro. That girl is hot. Ya you can say 200 euro is worth it with that quality. Can he share her contact? Message me ok? But if you can't speak russians, does that mean getting girls with that quality at 2500 uah not possible?
Hello,
When I did research on here I listen to a few suggestions.
I Joined mamba and I also joined Ukrainedate site.
Mamba I upgraded to VIP with no pic and only pic I would give when they responded to me. My game plan was 3 hours for $100 USA and BBBJ. I had probably around 20-25 numbers of girls in that price range. That worked great for me.
Ukrainedate you aren't going to find sponsors but girls who will show you around and possibly more. For me I had a few prepared for the meeting, just encase one one or two disappeared. First date nothing but site see and so on, but on 2nd date got her into bed. That's what worked for me. Also I used Airbnb to find a place to bring girls over, figured it would be easier than hotel.
Someone else used Seeking arrangements to get a few girls setup but I figured that was way to much money to spend in Ukraine.
It was a great experience and wish you guys luck on your trip to Ukraine.
You mean the "asked" not offered", right? Well, trust them, and if a different girl shows up, send her home. However, $200 USD is like 10 times the real price for locals, 4 to 5 times the price for foreigners. I have a friend who works full time as an administrative assistant, and she makes $240 USD per month! You might as well pay them 30,000 UAH per month and a $3000 USD Ipad, like the guy below.
I have contacted a few backpage gals. Some offered $60, sum offered $100, sum offered 2000 uah not really pretty. 1 offered $200. They sent me real photos via viber. The $200 look like real model. Should I trust them? Once you ordered the gal, there is no return? I gave them nearby address then I go down to check her out, is that ok? If not good, can I return? Mamba gals, no real actions yet. All just talking.
Just 2 days! That is a hard play. You may have to pay $100 USD indeed. What do you mean by "beautiful", sweet university student, or playboy bunny looking with fake everything?
Will be in July 17-18. Do anyone have recommendation where I might find beautiful incall girl that does CIM and COF? I Do not want to pay more than $100 for one hour.
Any help is appreciated.
Well, maybe she is not a pro, or even a semi-pro, and maybe she does not like you. It happens!
Found 1 tall slim blonde on mamba but she said:"I'm sorry I am not interested in you But Wish you all the best And find perfect Ukrainian girl". I don't assume they are ho's so I usually write to them as wanting to have a meaningful normal relationship until they suggest $$ instead. Anyone with skills to change this situation? She is a little bit taller than me I know that. She didn't say she want sex on her ad.
$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.
I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.
And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.
DramaFree11
07-04-17, 18:07
$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.
I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.
And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.Sorry, these girls are not going to give deals. They have so many guys after them you would not believe it. As far as Top Notch girls there just is not that many of them, with the exception of the computer and 99% of the profiles are fake. You are dreaming if you think you can get a girl for $100 night. It is easily attainable in Germany or many other countries. As far of Ukraine Guys paying 4 times, they do get a break, but not that much, sorry, just not true. The girls prefer local guys, they do not need foreign guys. There are plenty of local guys running around with money.
Member #4722
07-04-17, 21:32
Tried to pm but your inbox is full.
Bob,
You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.
In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.
Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable. Girls from GIA, which are top quality, start at 3000 UAH and half goes to the house. So, independent girls, even the highest quality girls, start at 1500 UAH. Of course, finding them and coming up to an agreement takes more time and effort, and they have to be more careful too, given that they do not have drivers and protection. Whether that security is worth 50% to the girls, I do not know; it depends on the individual girl.
Sometimes it is smarter, for you and the girl, to meet beforehand at a public place, for a coffee. I usually do that. If I do not sense any chemistry, or if she is not the girl in the photos, I MIGHT give her 50 UAH and send her home. I say "might" because it depends on how I feel. I figure, I already paid for the coffee and although they might argue that their time is worth money, but mine is too, and if I calculate my hourly wage, my time is worth about 1300 UAH per hour.
They will try to squeeze every cent from you. BBBJ is usually included as part of the service. So its the "taxi."During the day, you can be guaranteed they did not use a taxi.
I think they guy below gave her 30,000 UAH, not 3,000 USD. I would have to check, but either one is insane! 3000 USD would be almost enough to live for the whole year! 30,000 UAH enough for 6 months.
Whether you live in Europe or North America, you can get perfectly beautiful companions at home for 200-300 USD per hour. If you are happy paying that much, just stay home. The beauty of being in Ukraine is that, if you focus on independent semi-pros, it is almost like a regular pick up, except that you can sweeten the pot and guarantee the outcome with a little money. They 1000 or 2000 UAH you give them actually helps them in life.
Am I the only one who can negotiate a decent price? I will be back again this summer for a couple of weeks. It will be my third time this year, so I doubt much has changed. The only difference this time is that it will be warmer and the skirts will be shorter.
$200 is 10 times of what locals paying? 4 to 5 times of foreigners? So it should be 500 uah for locals? 1300 uah for foreigners? So far I only asked for BBBJ. I just did 1 today 1000 uah from mamba. She is young big tits but face not really pretty and a little fatty too. But 1000 uah 1 HR BBBJ. I'm sure 500 uah went to her pimp. I just want to go through this once to get a feel. Next Ill target better quality but I still doubt that you will hit model types for less than $100. If I don't ask for BBBJ, most said $60 is fine BJ with condom. When I asked for BBBJ, they +$30 more. So far, that's what I get. But I think offer them a monthly type of deal maybe more realistic. $350 a month and pay them weekly. I guess if you pay them $350 all at 1 time, they may just leave and don't come back. Consider a stranger just gave you $9000 usd, I may as well just leave.
I was wondering what quality of that girl the other guy was willing to pay $3000 a month? Well if she is very top notch she knows she could make that in Dubai.
And talk about deals, if you stay here for long enough especially in winter time. There maybe some kind of deals say like the top notch may settle in for 2500 uah for a BBBJ. Now summer time, a lot of tourist come here competing with each other especially some only come here for 1 or 2 weeks, if they don't get it they may offer higher price to get it.
Will be in July 17-18. Do anyone have recommendation where I might find beautiful incall girl that does CIM and COF? I Do not want to pay more than $100 for one hour.
Any help is appreciated.Where is the best place to look for these kind of girl. Is there anyone in Kiev that would be interested to share a girl (threesome with two guys and one girl).
Thanks once again for setting all these parameters for me. I need to start thinking and calculating like locals and maybe pay just a little more than locals. I know I ain't going to pay as little as locals but hopefully not too much more. I started just cold approaches in mall. I think I'll just imply that we can be friends of benefits. Imply I don't think I can be too explicit? Can I? I mean in the mall? There was a blonde approached me I think she is from church or something. She wanted to continue to talk but just just couldn't understand English much. There are many who don't. It's hard. My friend has a little online marketing thing so he can hire someone to work so she can make money for you while you pay them a little while get her in bed too. I think that's the most ideal situation. What business can we run here even very small business. If I pay $400, I make $600,that's still a little gain plus pay her salary too. The "I'm her boss" figure can alter how she see you. And "you got a business here" also alter how she see you too. Both bring some more respect?
Have any of you gone to church here? Is there Mormon here? Mormon got a lot of girls even in USA.
Bob,
You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.
In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.
Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable.
They will try to squeeze every cent from you. BBBJ is usually included as part of the service. So its the "taxi."During the day, you can be guaranteed they did not use a taxi. The newbie is right Steevie69. Pros in Kiev usually don't do BBBJ. And if they do it, they will increase their price of 25-50%. Some of them won't do it for even 100 US. Kiev is not a good destination for BBBJ.
What concern the Non-pros, BBBJ is not always included. It really depends on each girls. Anyway Non-pros are hard to find on Mamba now, I mean real non-pros, so good luck for the newbies hunting non-pros on mamba.
About the price that locals pay, everyone can pay that price. I paid that price. 450 UAH for 1 hour with a girl. I am not Ukrainian. You just have to know a bit of Russian. However the quality is most of the time low and that's just wasting time.
Member #4722
07-05-17, 13:06
Spent some time at the Atlas Weekend festival there were so many beautiful girls there. Whoever says the beautiful women have left Ukraine is crazy. I think there are about 100,000 people there about 30% of which are very attractive women. This is probably for the younger crowd but for me in 40's I did meet some nice girls for friendship that could turn into more.
Met a girl off Mamba that I had wanted to see last summer and it did not work out but I was very attracted to her and so I made sure to lock her down early in my trip. She looked as good as photos (I was surprised since she had her weight listed as many that she was chubby but she lost some weight she said and had a nice body with small tits but skinny and beautiful face. Had a really nice unrushed session with her for 70 USD and plan to see her again in my trip. Got BBBJ and kissing so that was nice. She is 22 YO.
I had written before that I wanted to try anal but with a big dick I could not get any girls to go for it. My friend met a girl on Tinder and she met us after a night of drinking for breakfast. This girl was in 40's and noty very attractive but had a decent body for this age and she was coming on to me and I was horny so I ended up fucking her she took me in the ass no problems and I fucked her hard for basically free (a couple drinks). Would not repeat she is a crazy girl but the sex was really good I must say.
Met a Girl that I had reported about last summer and maybe it was my fault as I was tired and had not slept well but it seemed awkward with us even though we had communicated throughout the year and I was excited to see her. Gave her $100 USD for what I was expecting to me more like a date sex dinner back for more sex but after 20 minutes of lousy sex she gave an excuse that she had to meet her friend and would be back in 20 minutes and I knew this was not true and of course she gave me an excuse. I have deleted her number.
As it was July 4 and I am American I was now disappointed with nothing to do and really bored and I am well under budget for this trip. I knew there are no clubs that are crowded on Tuesday night so I decide to try out Rio. Since I had already had sex and sometimes cannot perform a second time so soon I was just going to get drunk and get some private dances. I would have to say Rio is a really nice place. Drinks are not too crazy expensive, the managers are eager to assist you and I saw out of about 50 girls that there were only about 2 that I found unattractive (but I would fuck every one of them! Some really pretty girls there. I had a nice seat and saw all the girls come through and dance three at a time on a side stage. And then every 20 minutes two girls would come by and give a short dance presentation at the table. One of these girls was named Masha she was tall and really beautiful great face and body. Took her for two-song dance (500 H) and she let me touch everywhere besides pussy but no real connection. Then I asked the manager if he had any redheads and he pointed to this girl Anya and I told him to get here for me when she was done on stage. She was probably below average for the girls there but petite and still very hot. When she comes over she did not have red hair but reddish brown. But I asked her for private dance and she was really good and I could tell we were connecting and I got three dances from her (1500 H). She was completely nude and kissed with tongue so I started to get excited and now wanted to take her back. I did and she was amazing in bed. No BBBJ but she did BLS (this happens sometimes I don't understand why one is ok and the other isn't.). I spent a lot on the night but like I said I was way ahead on budget and it was a special occasion but this girl was a firecracker and got two loads out of me. I can count on one hand how many times I have come three times in one day since I was sixteen. So even though I spent a lot of money it was well worth it to me as it's hard to find such a pretty girl that gives a great session even for 300 USD where I live. But probably won't be going back to Rio soon as my budget took at hit last night!
Will report more if anything interesting happens.
LuisVega11
07-05-17, 13:41
I have read last report and my jaw drop.
Is easy to understand why foreigners AR left with the garbage in Kiev and ugly pussy for 100 and more dollar.
- first 400 450 gryvna are paid by local for ugly girl. Certainly I won't go to Kiev to fuck any of this. Check: http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1 and see what locals fuck for 500 1000 range gryvna.
- in Kiev three things count:
1- Money.
2-Game.
3-Aspect.
If you luck 2 3 you need tons of money to fuck nice girl, and for nice I 'm not talking about what some posts have shown in photos recently. Girl I would not even call 6 in Kiev. 7-8 are top model in my country or USA. 9-10 are girl you cannot find in other country. Those 7-8 in any western country in Kiev are barely 6,5. So when somebody write I fucked a 9 for 2000 gryvna it means is meter of judgement is pretty low and is 9 is a 6 maximum 7.
Forget top model, instagril, the best in Kiev. Most of them will laugh at you even for 100 dollar hours. They earn 10000 dollar month minimum from various sponsor travel etc. They not care of your 100 dollar.
- going to Kiev to deal with prostitute is totally useless. That nobody still as understood this is out of my mind, to succeed in Kiev need great daytime, something special the girl will value, be present often. And have the capability of spending money.
- as somebody said if you not succeed to fuck in your country regularly in Kiev you won't fuck any girl worth a trip. Sure you can fuck ugly girl, like most Turkish do nowadays. But is it worth? With 1500 euro you can fuck at home 8 hours for 200 hour and I'm sure better escort than Kiev.
LuisVega11
07-05-17, 13:46
Bob,
You have to stop thinking in USD. You are not in the USA.
In Ukraine, they use UAH, and in Ukraine, 5,000 UAH per month is a decent salary. Many girls live on that, even supporting a kid. 10,000 UAH per month is a very good salary.
Locals pay 300-500 UAH. These girls either have a few regulars, or are real pros and have sex 10 times per day. You probably do not want these girls and in any case, as a foreigner, they will never let you pay only 500. However, 1000 UAH is reasonable. Girls from GIA, which are top quality, start at 3000 UAH and half goes to the house. So, independent girls, even the highest quality girls, start at 1500 UAH. Of course, finding them and coming up to an agreement takes more time and effort, and they have to be more careful too, given that they do not have drivers and protection. Whether that security is worth 50% to the girls, I do not know; it depends on the individual girl.
Sometimes it is smarter, for you and the girl, to meet beforehand at a public place, for a coffee. I usually do that. If I do not sense any chemistry, or if she is not the girl in the photos, I MIGHT give her 50 UAH and send her home. I say "might" because it depends on how I feel. I figure, I already paid for the coffee and although they might argue that their time is worth money, but mine is too, and if I calculate my hourly wage, my time is worth about 1300 UAH per hour..Pussy is pussy everywhere. Locals who pay 300 500 fuck toilet in Kiev.
Any girl in Kiev will let a foreigner fuck them I'm talking nice girl. Sure there are woman ready to fuck for 600 hour but they are simply ugly.
The only chance you can have is find a over 30 girl or a village girl recently arrived in Kiev. So you can deal with 800 1000 meet in term of sponsorship.
If you think that salary official is the real salary of people, you have understood very few of Kiev. Nobody has official salary. NOBODY. Especially girl.
I have never seen beggars girl in sweet or girl offering sex for money desperate. Most live a normal life with low money and enjoy.
Stop spreading false info like I fuck for 800 gryvna hours. Sure you can but quality is what it's. This info only make every desperate come to Kiev hoping to fuck girl for 20 euro.
We have already too much sex desperate tourist in Kiev.
Member #4722
07-05-17, 16:30
Are you talking about my report that made your jaw drop? Don't be so concerned with my experience it's my vacation and I'm having the time of my life.
Just trying to share my experience to help others. Why do you continue to post all negatively we get the point.
DramaFree11
07-05-17, 17:18
Pussy is pussy everywhere. Locals who pay 300 500 fuck toilet in Kiev.
Any girl in Kiev will let a foreigner fuck them I'm talking nice girl. Sure there are woman ready to fuck for 600 hour but they are simply ugly.
The only chance you can have is find a over 30 girl or a village girl recently arrived in Kiev. So you can deal with 800 1000 meet in term of sponsorship.
If you think that salary official is the real salary of people, you have understood very few of Kiev. Nobody has official salary. NOBODY. Especially girl.
I have never seen beggars girl in sweet or girl offering sex for money desperate. Most live a normal life with low money and enjoy.
Stop spreading false info like I fuck for 800 gryvna hours. Sure you can but quality is what it's. This info only make every desperate come to Kiev hoping to fuck girl for 20 euro.
We have already too much sex desperate tourist in Kiev.Great Post, I lived there and there is no way you get girls for that price. The problem is people read these post and believe it. I just do not want someone to spend all there money on booking a trip and they will be real disappointed.
DramaFree11
07-05-17, 17:23
I have read last report and my jaw drop.
Is easy to understand why foreigners AR left with the garbage in Kiev and ugly pussy for 100 and more dollar.
- first 400 450 gryvna are paid by local for ugly girl. Certainly I won't go to Kiev to fuck any of this. Check: http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1 and see what locals fuck for 500 1000 range gryvna.
- in Kiev three things count:
1- Money.
2-Game.
3-Aspect.
If you luck 2 3 you need tons of money to fuck nice girl, and for nice I 'm not talking about what some posts have shown in photos recently. Girl I would not even call 6 in Kiev. 7-8 are top model in my country or USA. 9-10 are girl you cannot find in other country. Those 7-8 in any western country in Kiev are barely 6,5. So when somebody write I fucked a 9 for 2000 gryvna it means is meter of judgement is pretty low and is 9 is a 6 maximum 7..100% correct.
Are you talking about my report that made your jaw drop? Don't be so concerned with my experience it's my vacation and I'm having the time of my life.
Just trying to share my experience to help others. Why do you continue to post all negatively we get the point.Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.
And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.
It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.
The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.
In my experience, BBBJ is included about 75% of the time. Maybe it is because I do not ask for a "per item" list, but rather for want and a total price. How they itemize it is not my concern. Of course, you may not want to get a BBBJ from a hard-working pro. If yours is the 10th cock she has had in her mouth that day and the last guy's ejaculate still noticeable in her breath, a BBBJ would be risky. Then again, those are the girls who charge 500 UAH or less. Most of us are playing at a higher level, with pros that charge a little more so they do not have to see so many customers, or semi-pros who do it occasionally to supplement their income. I certainly would not go for anything under 1000 UAH. Well, I have met students who just needed a little more incentive to come home with me, and a few times 800 UAH ND and a couple of drinks did the trick.
Non-pros are easy to find on mamba. Just remove the "looking for sex" option. And instead search for girls looking for marriage. However, they seldom reply.
The newbie is right Steevie69. Pros in Kiev usually don't do BBBJ. And if they do it, they will increase their price of 25-50%. Some of them won't do it for even 100 US. Kiev is not a good destination for BBBJ.
What concern the Non-pros, BBBJ is not always included. It really depends on each girls. Anyway Non-pros are hard to find on Mamba now, I mean real non-pros, so good luck for the newbies hunting non-pros on mamba.
About the price that locals pay, everyone can pay that price. I paid that price. 450 UAH for 1 hour with a girl. I am not Ukrainian. You just have to know a bit of Russian. However the quality is most of the time low and that's just wasting time.
Why is Luis so upset? Because the rest of us do not have to pay as much? It is as if he wants to raise the prices for everyone. The problem is desperate tourists who pay more than they would pay at home. They pay for one hour more than most girls earn in a whole month in their regular jobs. GIA girls start at 3000 UAH, and those girls are pretty good, and it is clearly indicated that BBJJ is included (to go back to another issue). Maybe girls at the Caribbean, or girls with fake boobs and fake everything else want USD, but there are thousand of students and young single mums that are happy with 1000-2000 UAH. Just my 2 cents!
Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.
And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.
It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.
The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.Dating or dealing with prostitutes, that's not the same. As long as you pay, even if you are old, ugly, shy or just average, an escort will go with you, that's her job. Of course you can have successes by dating girls in Kiev, but that's tough for the categories of men mentioning above.
My feelings are with Volpone, Drama, and Luis. Too many internet Casanovas here.
LuisVega11
07-06-17, 14:23
Yeah, no kidding. I can't understand half the posts that guy puts out.
And the constant negativity. I've been to Ukraine twice and have nothing but good memories.
It's super easy to meet local girls that, in my opinion, are extremely attractive. I had so many dates set up I had to cancel more than once and this is coming from a guy that has little to zero game back home (US). It's all about being genuine and nice. Tinder is probably the easiest way to meet girls. I never got catfished once. Lots of them seem too good to be true but you have to understand, girls in the Eastern Bloc are extremely nit picky when it comes to their photos so they spend lots of time and effort to put out the best that they have.
The one time I mongered I tried out GIA and got an easy 8 for $100 usd. One of the best sessions I've ever had. Everything on the table except for Anal at no extra cost. And that was her coming to my hotel. Unfortunately, she's not listed on the site anymore. If that was any indication of what GIA provides then I have no reason to be worried about future endeavors with them.Kiev 23 trip from 2012 to now with minimum stay 30 days per trip. I think I know 2 or 3 things.
- I'm not negative at all. Trying to spread some good info to help people. Last post I referred to easy sex in Kiev. Is a dream for many. Those who tell I fuck an 8-9 for 100 gryvna have never seen a 8 or 9 simply. I'm not trying top persuade them they fucked a 6 or 7 cause they won't change their mind just I'm trying to show people that in Kiev right now with 1500 gryvna or in general low money you can fuck mediocre pussy for Kiev standard. Sure for your western standard and mine they are not bad. But at the end is it worth going Kiev spending minimum 2000 dollar for 2 week to fuck some cheap working girls?
- you had a girl in gia for 100? Minimum price is 150-200 with discount for hour. Maybe you were luck. Gia is god but again for that sum you can fuck anywhere in the world that level, no need to go Kiev.
- I seldom pay in Kiev, because I have game I stay long and know these girl. I created a social circle around my job and what I'm seeing everyday is tons of desperate who go Kiev fuck a toilet than come back home pretending to have had a great time. I never saw a 7-8 in my scale with a foreigner, apart some expat with big pocket.
- you never got catfished? How many of those girl you fucked at the end. Sure for you spending 20-30 dollar in a date with a girl found in tinder maybe is not too much. You got some smiles. Some conversation. You thought oh god I'm not very nice I don't have any game and a girl like this talk with me. Then this girl finish her salad and say bye bye. Not even a kiss clearly. You probably never saw her again. Of 30 dates in tinder you scored maybe once but I doubt. Then at the end you spent 1000 dollar fucking half pussy. While your counterpart Ukrainian take this girl out spend less money and fuck them the same night. Sometimes I saw the same tourist day in a row in Kiev center. Always with a nice girl different. Always entering bar restaurant with the girl and exit alone. This is the typical foreign beta status in Kiev. Tinder is the scum of the scum in Kiev.
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