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LuisVega11
07-06-17, 14:29
2,5 million girl in Kiev and people spend their time being fucked up in tinder mamba fake escort portal. Go out, walk 20 km a day and do your job. Get up early and go to pool metro trying to catch.
Some working girl going to work office, trying to invite her for a fast coffee. That's Kiev.
I went to Rio and spent 300 dollar touching 2 nipples and having a kiss with tongue. I would be ashamed even to tell this to friend. 300 dollar you can even fuck a girl in chi.
But again you need.
1- game.
2- aspect.
If not you need go Rio.
2,5 million girl in Kiev and people spend their time being fucked up in tinder mamba fake escort portal. Go out, walk 20 km a day and do your job. Get up early and go to pool metro trying to catch.
Some working girl going to work office, trying to invite her for a fast coffee. That's Kiev.
I went to Rio and spent 300 dollar touching 2 nipples and having a kiss with tongue. I would be ashamed even to tell this to friend. 300 dollar you can even fuck a girl in chi.
But again you need.
1- game.
2- aspect.
If not you need go Rio.Hi Luis. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I agree with you on many points. My question to you is, can you post some photos of Kiev girls, so we know your standards for 5-6, 7-8 and 9-10? Then everyone (including me) in this forum gets a clear idea whether they are over or underpaying from a experienced monger like you?
Spasibo
Ciao.
Misc.
Member #4722
07-06-17, 18:05
2,5 million girl in Kiev and people spend their time being fucked up in tinder mamba fake escort portal. Go out, walk 20 km a day and do your job. Get up early and go to pool metro trying to catch.
Some working girl going to work office, trying to invite her for a fast coffee. That's Kiev.
I went to Rio and spent 300 dollar touching 2 nipples and having a kiss with tongue. I would be ashamed even to tell this to friend. 300 dollar you can even fuck a girl in chi.
But again you need.
1- game.
2- aspect.
If not you need go Rio.Sounds like you have the looks of Brad Pitt the charm or Marlon Brando and the wallet of Donald Trump. Maybe you should be on the pickup artist site instead of ISG which is for P4 P enthusiasts.
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Why is Luis so upset? Because the rest of us do not have to pay as much? It is as if he wants to raise the prices for everyone. The problem is desperate tourists who pay more than they would pay at home. They pay for one hour more than most girls earn in a whole month in their regular jobs. GIA girls start at 3000 UAH, and those girls are pretty good, and it is clearly indicated that BBJJ is included (to go back to another issue). Maybe girls at the Caribbean, or girls with fake boobs and fake everything else want USD, but there are thousand of students and young single mums that are happy with 1000-2000 UAH. Just my 2 cents!I agree with you. But such as you and I are not very much. So the scene is very spoiled unfortunately. I fucked an excellent single mother two days ago. 28 years old. Very well sucked BBJ. I am also pleased that I acted as a gallant sponsor haha. Helping young children is so touching and pleasant.
LuisVega11
07-06-17, 23:24
Hi Luis. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I agree with you on many points. My question to you is, can you post some photos of Kiev girls, so we know your standards for 5-6, 7-8 and 9-10? Then everyone (including me) in this forum gets a clear idea whether they are over or underpaying from a experienced monger like you?
Spasibo
Ciao.
Misc.The girl posted from gia agency is a 7 in Kiev from there you can imagine the rest.
First Tinder date 1 week in Kiev. I said we can meet near independent square. She said why meet there? We can meet in a restaurant. OK I suggested a burger / salad place. She said honestly I don't go to cheap place. Lets go to "Atmosphere in Premier Palace hotel on the roof". I took a look at the menu there are items 3500 and 4500 but they also have 350 to 450 items too but I'm sure she will get the 4500. I know I may be desperate to have a dates but I say this is definitively a scam.
Hi Luis. Thank you for sharing your experiences. I agree with you on many points. My question to you is, can you post some photos of Kiev girls, so we know your standards for 5-6, 7-8 and 9-10? Then everyone (including me) in this forum gets a clear idea whether they are over or underpaying from a experienced monger like you?
Spasibo
Ciao.
Misc.5: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z657gl&s=9#. WV9 BetR97 s0.
Possible when drunk.
6: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9r642q&s=9#. WV9 Fb9 R97 s0.
Possible when tipsy.
7: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2pservc&s=9.
Max 1500-2000 grivna per hour.
8: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zyzqxf&s=9.
Max 2000-2500 grivna per hour.
9: http://tinypic.com/r/2pslfkz/9.
Max 2500-3000 grivna per hour.
10: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2pslfkz&s=9.
GF / Wife material.
The girl posted from gia agency is a 7 in Kiev from there you can imagine the rest.Hello Luis,
Which girl from Gia is a 7?
I looked at their website and girls range from 4-5 to 8-with a couple of rare 9 maybe.
That said beauty is subjective and everyone is different.
And about the GIA price. They are high for Kiev, but adjusted for quality and if I have money to throw around, and how desperate I am, I might with hesitation.
Spasibo Bliss for sharing.
Beauty is subjective so I will put my 2 cents.
My rating of 8 maybe your 5 and your 8 maybe my 5.
About the girls photos you shared. I will put them between 5-8.
The last girl rated 10 or GF material, I may consider a 8-8. 5.
Is there a 10?
I have not seen any in real life.
Maybe Anna Nicole Smith, Irina Shayk.
Ciao.
Misc.
5: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2z657gl&s=9#. WV9 BetR97 s0.
Possible when drunk.
6: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=9r642q&s=9#. WV9 Fb9 R97 s0.
Possible when tipsy.
7: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2pservc&s=9.
Max 1500-2000 grivna per hour.
8: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=1zyzqxf&s=9.
Max 2000-2500 grivna per hour.
9: http://tinypic.com/r/2pslfkz/9.
Max 2500-3000 grivna per hour.
10: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2pslfkz&s=9.
GF / Wife material.
First Tinder date 1 week in Kiev. I said we can meet near independent square. She said why meet there? We can meet in a restaurant. OK I suggested a burger / salad place. She said honestly I don't go to cheap place. Lets go to "Atmosphere in Premier Palace hotel on the roof". I took a look at the menu there are items 3500 and 4500 but they also have 350 to 450 items too but I'm sure she will get the 4500. I know I may be desperate to have a dates but I say this is definitively a scam.Tell he as long as she is prepared to split the bill.
The Mercy Seat
07-08-17, 08:53
I am in Lviv with girlfriend now and VK.com is not working. Girlfriend say that is because the President banned VK since it is Russian. Can use VK if you have a server / IP address outside Ukraine.
Tell he as long as she is prepared to split the bill.It sounds the start of a perfect stringing along story.
Say yes, and she will think she has hit the jackpot and will come after a successful dinner at good premises with something like: "I'm a good girl, I really like you but I don't want to start anything immediately but to know you better let's meet again" (in another good place of course).
After that there will come some college fees, or hospital stuff. To see how stupid you are.
My advice: If she really says she says she is open for a long (er) term and / or serious relationship you can do the following: Agree to meet her in the place she wants, but when she's there, call or message her that you went to the ATM and your card didn't work for some stupid reason and you only have how much you like to spend. You can see her intentions. If she says "oh no worries we can still have a good dinner somewhere else for that amount" or if she says"don't worry I won't choose anything excessive" or if she says "no worries lets meet other time'.
Dating or dealing with prostitutes, that's not the same. As long as you pay, even if you are old, ugly, shy or just average, an escort will go with you, that's her job. Of course you can have successes by dating girls in Kiev, but that's tough for the categories of men mentioning above.True to life!
I am in Lviv with girlfriend now and VK.com is not working. Girlfriend say that is because the President banned VK since it is Russian. Can use VK if you have a server / IP address outside Ukraine.Use TOR.
https://www.torproject.org/download/download.html
Jonathan Pine
07-08-17, 17:21
It sounds the start of a perfect stringing along story.
Say yes, and she will think she has hit the jackpot and will come after a successful dinner at good premises with something like: "I'm a good girl, I really like you but I don't want to start anything immediately but to know you better let's meet again" (in another good place of course).
After that there will come some college fees, or hospital stuff. To see how stupid you are...I've been told the same thing. Grandmother or mother's sick (so they can't meet you), need money for medical care. Unable to continue to study in university because no money for tuition, . Bla bla bla.
Move on to the next girl.
First Tinder date 1 week in Kiev. I said we can meet near independent square. She said why meet there? We can meet in a restaurant. OK I suggested a burger / salad place. She said honestly I don't go to cheap place. Lets go to "Atmosphere in Premier Palace hotel on the roof". I took a look at the menu there are items 3500 and 4500 but they also have 350 to 450 items too but I'm sure she will get the 4500. I know I may be desperate to have a dates but I say this is definitively a scam.Hahahahahaha! That is funny as hell.
Beauty is subjective...
Is there a 10?
I have not seen any in real life.
Maybe Anna Nicole Smith, Irina Shayk.
Agreed Misc123! It really is good that beauty is subjective. It would be bad if we all had to chase the same girls. While I agree that Irina Shayk is very hot (probably a solid 8+ in her prime), I have never seen a picture of Anna Nicole Smith where I thought she was better than a 6.5 and in most pictures in her prime she just looks fat and I think she looks more like a 5. Lean bodies are important to me--much more so than pretty faces- and Anna Nicole Smith rarely looks lean.
And also, thanks Bliss for your fun post!
CherchezFemme
07-08-17, 22:42
Oh BTW, Anna Nicole Smith used to live in my building.
Agreed Misc123! It really is good that beauty is subjective. It would be bad if we all had to chase the same girls. While I agree that Irina Shayk is very hot (probably a solid 8+ in her prime), I have never seen a picture of Anna Nicole Smith where I thought she was better than a 6.5 and in most pictures in her prime she just looks fat and I think she looks more like a 5. Lean bodies are important to me--much more so than pretty faces- and Anna Nicole Smith rarely looks lean.
And also, thanks Bliss for your fun post!
CherchezFemme
07-08-17, 22:43
Posted some pictures from Kiev in Photo Gallery. Report will come later.
CherchezFemme
07-08-17, 23:07
. Tinder is the scum of the scum in Kiev.THIS THIS THIS. Tinder is a waste of time except to find semi pros. I've been here 4 months and can vouch for this. Ukrainian guys told me not to waste my time on it.
I've banged cute young semi pros from it; do not offer them more than a 1000 for 2 hours /2 pops w BBBJ.
Agreed Misc123! It really is good that beauty is subjective. It would be bad if we all had to chase the same girls. While I agree that Irina Shayk is very hot (probably a solid 8+ in her prime), I have never seen a picture of Anna Nicole Smith where I thought she was better than a 6.5 and in most pictures in her prime she just looks fat and I think she looks more like a 5. Lean bodies are important to me--much more so than pretty faces- and Anna Nicole Smith rarely looks lean.
And also, thanks Bliss for your fun post!Hi Yummy. That is why I said, my 8 is your 5 and my 5 is your 8. I like voluptuous more, some of us like lean more, some like small tits, some like Big. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Ciao.
Misc.
CherchezFemme
07-09-17, 12:29
From my photos:
Semi pro 1 is the only one available now.
She advertises a lot on Tinder.
I have not paid more than 1500 total, including taxi money. W / BBBJ.
The following are girls I was in touch with but did NOT visit. Most I was able to get 1500 including taxi w / BBBJ, others wanted more for BBBJ or didn't do it.
All are from Tinder.
Just add the number to your phone and write them on Whatsapp or Viber. They all have those messengers
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I've been told the same thing. Grandmother or mother's sick (so they can't meet you), need money for medical care. Unable to continue to study in university because no money for tuition, . Bla bla bla.
Move on to the next girl.Even if it's only 100 grivna, I suggest to everyone not to pay for a taxi in case there is no clear agreement about getting laid! Unless someone just needs a talking-partner.
It's not about the money but about the "I'm a fool-sign" that you are sending to her if you agree.
My experience when girls are asking for taxi -money without confirming to get laid, it will end with nothing in 99.9999% of the cases. They just need a free dinner and a fool who they maybe later can try some other stories on.
Just think by yourself: If a girl wants a serious relationship based on mutual respect and respects you as her boyfriend she wouldn't lower herself to ask small taxi money. She can get it easily herself. In case she can't get it herself; do you want to ever be with such kind of girl?
Even in Ukraine girls have some pride and they are smart enough that if they like you and want to get laid with you, they will first get laid and later on attack you with all kind of shit stories but for a higher amount than taxi money.
CherchezFemme,
Please don't take it personal, but I would never fuck any of these girls.
LuisVega11
07-09-17, 22:52
Please don't take it personal, but I would never fuck any of these girls.Well you summed my point of view.
I answer to some post behind stating from your point.
1- all the girl posted in the post are low to very low quality and still they ask a lot of money for they value. I called one that send me photo, I would not even fuck free, and she asked 1900 gryvna. Another 1500. And this girl are so fucking low quality in Kiev. I'd say 4-5. Sure in my country they could be not very bad but so if I want to fuck this kind of girl I stay in my country don't go and spend 1000 euro fixed investment plus flexible money to have 3 fuck of one hour with this kind of girl. MY POINT in fact was " don't go to Kiev for p4 p". Is totally useless if you want fuck model, you can put you need same money as anywhere in the world maybe much more.
2- under 2000 the level of P4P is low to medium, if you very luck. The s photo those posted by tomes and those you can find in Kiev-x. In clearly show that for 1000 you fuck low quality. I sometimes fuck under 1000 but is low quality I would never say they are nice, AR excellent girl. And I can say they are better than what I see in the photo gallery.
3- gia start from 200 to 250 for very good quality. I'ts from 5200 to 6500 gryvna hour. 3000 not exist anywhere in gia webstiet. You can fuck for discount price some girl, the low er quality at 150 dollar, but really those I see in gia website under discount I fucked same level in Kiev and Kharkiov for free or max 1000. So Gia is as expensive as any website in London. Point. And is the only website you can be certain of photos.
4- Kiev is for fucking free girl, sure you need to invest some money, and you need game and presence. But if you understand the game you can fuck very good girl. P4P is not good at all.
5- SEMI Pro who at first message in fiber tells: " are you in Kiev " are not semi pro. Are prostitutes. Semi pro are girl who fuck for money once every 3 months. Not every day. Semi pro is what any monger going to Kiev should aim for. But as I said is very difficult if you don't have at least two of the tree diamond quality.
Any way I'd fuck the girl in apartment cause she takes in ass easily but her care of skin and aspect of into part is not the best I'd say.
LuisVega11
07-09-17, 23:01
THIS THIS THIS. Tinder is a waste of time except to find semi pros. I've been here 4 months and can vouch for this. Ukrainian guys told me not to waste my time on it.
I've banged cute young semi pros from it; do not offer them more than a 1000 for 2 hours /2 pops w BBBJ.You banged prostitutes. They have nothing to do with semi pro. Not personal but we must be clear if we want to improve as community. I send some message in fiber all ready to fuck in one hour.
Semi pros are normal girl who have a job you meet online mostly in street and after some exit they agree to have a relation sex for support. Those who ask you are in Kiev want meet at first message are prostitute.
DramaFree11
07-10-17, 00:23
Even if it's only 100 grivna, I suggest to everyone not to pay for a taxi in case there is no clear agreement about getting laid! Unless someone just needs a talking-partner.
It's not about the money but about the "I'm a fool-sign" that you are sending to her if you agree.
My experience when girls are asking for taxi -money without confirming to get laid, it will end with nothing in 99.9999% of the cases. They just need a free dinner and a fool who they maybe later can try some other stories on.
Just think by yourself: If a girl wants a serious relationship based on mutual respect and respects you as her boyfriend she wouldn't lower herself to ask small taxi money. She can get it easily herself. In case she can't get it herself; do you want to ever be with such kind of girl?
Even in Ukraine girls have some pride and they are smart enough that if they like you and want to get laid with you, they will first get laid and later on attack you with all kind of shit stories but for a higher amount than taxi money.Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.
Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.Rarely will a girl take a taxi unless you pay for it. They will take metro or Marshutka.
Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.Of course it is normal and again not about the money.
However, I experienced that if a girl clearly mentions she wants to get acquainted due to the fact she is interested in a serious relationship, (even semi-pro) she will never ask for taxi-money. I always offered to pay their taxis, even walked to the taxis when she arrived to pay for the trip and they refused.
It happened sometimes that a girl on the second date just stayed in my hotel to sleep, without any sex involved, and I always give her 500 to go home as I just see it as a very very small gesture and I don't need to get laid on the second date.
I'm merely referring to the girls who are already requesting you online on E. G Tinder, Badoo, Mamba for taxi-money.
Maybe it's just me who's had bad experiences with it.
It is the start of a scam. It IS the scam. At the end of even the most modest dinner, you will be slapped with a bill large enough to fully support a family of 3 for a month. The beefy security guard will prevent you form protesting. The girl and the restaurant will share the profits of the scam.
It sounds the start of a perfect stringing along story.
Say yes, and she will think she has hit the jackpot and will come after a successful dinner at good premises with something like: "I'm a good girl, I really like you but I don't want to start anything immediately but to know you better let's meet again" (in another good place of course).
After that there will come some college fees, or hospital stuff. To see how stupid you are.
My advice: If she really says she says she is open for a long (er) term and / or serious relationship you can do the following: Agree to meet her in the place she wants, but when she's there, call or message her that you went to the ATM and your card didn't work for some stupid reason and you only have how much you like to spend. You can see her intentions. If she says "oh no worries we can still have a good dinner somewhere else for that amount" or if she says"don't worry I won't choose anything excessive" or if she says "no worries lets meet other time'.
Keep in mind that the prices include 50% for the web site. So, a real independent goes for about half as much.
Hello Luis,
Which girl from Gia is a 7?
I looked at their website and girls range from 4-5 to 8-with a couple of rare 9 maybe.
That said beauty is subjective and everyone is different.
And about the GIA price. They are high for Kiev, but adjusted for quality and if I have money to throw around, and how desperate I am, I might with hesitation.
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/dominika3
Well you summed my point of view.
I answer to some post behind stating from your point.
1- all the girl posted in the post are low to very low quality and still they ask a lot of money for they value. I called one that send me photo, I would not even fuck free, and she asked 1900 gryvna. Another 1500. And this girl are so fucking low quality in Kiev. I'd say 4-5. Sure in my country they could be not very bad but so if I want to fuck this kind of girl I stay in my country don't go and spend 1000 euro fixed investment plus flexible money to have 3 fuck of one hour with this kind of girl. MY POINT in fact was " don't go to Kiev for p4 p". Is totally useless if you want fuck model, you can put you need same money as anywhere in the world maybe much more.
2- under 2000 the level of P4P is low to medium, if you very luck. The s photo those posted by tomes and those you can find in Kiev-x. In clearly show that for 1000 you fuck low quality. I sometimes fuck under 1000 but is low quality I would never say they are nice, AR excellent girl. And I can say they are better than what I see in the photo gallery..
I use the metro, why should I pay for a girls's taxi? If I ask her to rush, then maybe. Otherwise, she can choose how she gets here. It is the cost of doing business. Why separate the taxi? How about the shoes? Or the make-up? Or the hair? Or the nails? Or the condoms?
Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.
Jonathan Pine
07-10-17, 11:10
Sorry, I have to disagree, 100 grivna, is normal and a sign of respect. This common all over the world, you will be real unsuccessful if you do not pay for Taxis. Now 100-150 is the most you should ever pay. I am pretty hard on Ukraine women, but I am okay with paying for a taxi it is just polite and 99% you may way more then there salary.Paying 100 grivna for taxi to some girls one's never met before is a sure way to not get laid. It's not a sign of respect, it's a sign of I'm a naive foreigner and it's open season on me. It's not only that. They'll also lose all respect on you. Local girls like "strong men."
Girls don't do this to local guys. Local guys also don't do this.
I agree with Bliss. Read his comments in another post.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 11:11
You banged prostitutes. They have nothing to do with semi pro. Not personal but we must be clear if we want to improve as community. I send some message in fiber all ready to fuck in one hour.
Semi pros are normal girl who have a job you meet online mostly in street and after some exit they agree to have a relation sex for support. Those who ask you are in Kiev want meet at first message are prostitute.I agree, they are pros. I will PM you with a related issue.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 11:24
Please don't take it personal, but I would never fuck any of these girls.Ok. None are models for sure. I am on a budget and not here primarily for p4 p. These girls were tremendous value convenient and cheap.
Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 11:44
In fact, I did not see ANY of those girls whose numbers I posted (except for #1). They wanted too much in most cases and some were ugly.
Quality is relative. None are models. Two in the photos are 20 years old, and I am at a point where I prefer youth to beauty. I would rather fuck a 20 year old 6 than a 30 year old 8. I am also looking to settle down and have kids so that is why maybe I am favoring youth at the moment.
I think some, including you, are emphasizing looks. That's fine. But for me number one is performance and attitude. #1 gives the best head I've ever had. I have a little "problem" in that I have a difficult time coming from oral. I have had some of the highest rated girls in different countries, girls famous for their BJs, and I cannot come. This one has the perfect mouth position and perfect stroke and makes me come in just a few minutes. It is such a release for me. Plus she loves to be fucked long and hard and stays for 2 hours. The value is tremendous. However, I did get bored with her after 3 sessions bc she won't do greek and is plain-looking.
The apartment girl is maybe the best sex I've ever had. Performance and attitude are 10, slim, with thigh gap and large natural breasts.
I am not in Ukraine for p4 p and I agree, Ukraine is not best for p4p.
I am on a budget but even if I wasn't I would never ever spend $ 300 for a girl again. I did once, was waste of money. I did offer a Rio girl $300 a few years ago but she turned me down.
I agree that Ukraine is better to try to run game and get laid for free or maybe find a girl who is real semi-pro. Or a nice girl for family.
Well you summed my point of view.
I answer to some post behind stating from your point.
1- all the girl posted in the post are low to very low quality and still they ask a lot of money for they value. I called one that send me photo, I would not even fuck free, and she asked 1900 gryvna. Another 1500. And this girl are so fucking low quality in Kiev. I'd say 4-5. Sure in my country they could be not very bad but so if I want to fuck this kind of girl I stay in my country don't go and spend 1000 euro fixed investment plus flexible money to have 3 fuck of one hour with this kind of girl. MY POINT in fact was " don't go to Kiev for p4 p". Is totally useless if you want fuck model, you can put you need same money as anywhere in the world maybe much more.
2- under 2000 the level of P4P is low to medium, if you very luck. The s photo those posted by tomes and those you can find in Kiev-x. In clearly show that for 1000 you fuck low quality. I sometimes fuck under 1000 but is low quality I would never say they are nice, AR excellent girl. And I can say they are better than what I see in the photo gallery.
3- gia start from 200 to 250 for very good quality. I'ts from 5200 to 6500 gryvna hour. 3000 not exist anywhere in gia webstiet. You can fuck for discount price some girl, the low er quality at 150 dollar, but really those I see in gia website under discount I fucked same level in Kiev and Kharkiov for free or max 1000. So Gia is as expensive as any website in London. Point. And is the only website you can be certain of photos.
4- Kiev is for fucking free girl, sure you need to invest some money, and you need game and presence. But if you understand the game you can fuck very good girl. P4P is not good at all.
5- SEMI Pro who at first message in fiber tells: " are you in Kiev " are not semi pro. Are prostitutes. Semi pro are girl who fuck for money once every 3 months. Not every day. Semi pro is what any monger going to Kiev should aim for. But as I said is very difficult if you don't have at least two of the tree diamond quality.
Any way I'd fuck the girl in apartment cause she takes in ass easily but her care of skin and aspect of into part is not the best I'd say.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 12:46
A few more thoughts on the thots found on Tinder and Kiev.
Tinder has the lowest quality girls for sure. Every other girl has a picture in Dubai; what the fuck are you doing in Dubai?? Some of them were doing serious prostitution, some were without a doubt Dubai porta potties. Yet many of them claimed to want a relationship.
LuisVega11
07-10-17, 14:19
In fact, I did not see ANY of those girls whose numbers I posted (except for #1). They wanted too much in most cases and some were ugly.
Quality is relative. None are models. Two in the photos are 20 years old, and I am at a point where I prefer youth to beauty. I would rather fuck a 20 year old 6 than a 30 year old 8. I am also looking to settle down and have kids so that is why maybe I am favoring youth at the moment.
I think some, including you, are emphasizing looks. That's fine. But for me number one is performance and attitude. #1 gives the best head I've ever had. I have a little "problem" in that I have a difficult time coming from oral. I have had some of the highest rated girls in different countries, girls famous for their BJs, and I cannot come. This one has the perfect mouth position and perfect stroke and makes me come in just a few minutes. It is such a release for me. Plus she loves to be fucked long and hard and stays for 2 hours. The value is tremendous. However, I did get bored with her after 3 sessions bc she won't do greek and is plain-looking.
The apartment girl is maybe the best sex I've ever had. Performance and attitude are 10, slim, with thigh gap and large natural breasts.
I am not in Ukraine for p4 p and I agree, Ukraine is not best for p4p.
I am on a budget but even if I wasn't I would never ever spend $ 300 for a girl again. I did once, was waste of money. I did offer a Rio girl $300 a few years ago but she turned me down.
I agree that Ukraine is better to try to run game and get laid for free or maybe find a girl who is real semi-pro. Or a nice girl for family.My experience in Ukraine is that as far as attitude if they like you they do what you want especially if you are rude and direct, boss's behavior style.
Apartment is interesting, just for the service, but the other two I not like at all, but if performance is ok is good.
If you are in a budget is good to point this girl, and I like the fact you realize they are pretty low quality with good attitude.
What I critic is not you or those honest. I cannot understand why people who fuck this girl for low money pretend to show other they fucked good or " excellent" girl.
I never spend more than 50 dollar for P4P in Kiev. I fucked many nice girl free cause I have time and attitude to play their game. Sure I spend restaurant and some gift, very small present and only after fucking. But those girl I fucked all night and day sometimes. While P4P you fuck just one hour and mostly service is minimal.
LuisVega11
07-10-17, 14:32
A few more thoughts on the thots found on Tinder and Kiev.
Tinder has the lowest quality girls for sure. Every other girl has a picture in Dubai; what the fuck are you doing in Dubai?? Some of them were doing serious prostitution, some were without a doubt Dubai porta potties. Yet many of them claimed to want a relationship.They are prostitutes.
90 % of tinder is scum and prostitutes.
In Kiev the best and only real way to find normal girl is the street or mall.
Nightlife and online games are totally scum. Of 90 girl 1 2 are genuine.
P4P is one the worst in the world so far. This girl make themselves very strong behind a monitor because from the other side there is a pussyman real to pay 100 buck when normal Ukrainian will fuck free or maximum a pizza and coke. When you face them in street and run the game you can easily lower their asking, but you need practice and time to learn this.
LuisVega11
07-10-17, 14:47
Ok. None are models for sure. I am on a budget and not here primarily for p4 p. These girls were tremendous value convenient and cheap.
Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.This was my last serious relation in Kiev. Meet her last year in center walking. Spend some day working hard to please her. We spend 3 months together night and day. She works, never asked anything. Sure I pay when we go out and sometimes I bought her some roses and gifts, but she never asked for anything. Because Kiev is full of girl like this but you won't find in tinder or in nightclub.
If she was 5 cm more she could have been a top model, because her face is complete natural and she was to die for. I couldn't even go out in top restaurant cause all Ukraine rich men looked her even if they were with girl with fake all lips boobs. But they couldn't even compare to a fresh h 22 years old natural Ukrainian beauty, with a super smile and casual attitude while most of those girl were silicon doll with zero attitude.
Just to put things in perspective. All photo made by me in my apartment. Cut face clearly for privacy.
Please post pictures of the hot girls you've banged.http://imgur.com/a/CwLbe
Member #4722
07-10-17, 15:57
Have had some very good luck on Mamba I met almost all the girls I wanted to during my trip they were all pretty and good value. Only one that had the looks that really wowed me and I have spent a lot of time with that one. Only one girl was with fake photos but the girl that showed up was doable and turned out to be one of the best lays of the trip. Less than half of 10 or so Mamba girls did BBBJ.
Did have a bad situation from a girl I met at Caribbean club. LuisVega is going to love this one. Met a girl late one night when I was about to leave and got her number. We met late the next night for a date and P4 P was never discussed. She did not look as good without the dark lights of the club and now sober. But I wanted some company for dinner. To make a long story short this girl ordered a $130 bottle of champagne and I didn't know until I got the bill (I was drinking Jameson). I almost walked out and left her sitting there when I went to the bathroom. And then I figured the damage was done so still would try and get laid but went to kiss her and she turned the cheek.
There probably is some truth to what people say about the lack of really hot women for P4 P. I am not crazy picky and I have thought most of the girls I have been with are very pretty and the service has been generally better than what I get back at home. The really pretty girl I met just left we went for two fucks and lunch for $70 and she was literally turning heads when we were out in her short dress.
I will be willing to share some contacts via PM ONLY to those that have extensive posted reports on ISG. If not don't bother. The really hot one said I couldn't share her info but I have some other solid girls. Will be traveling to the end of the month and will not be checking ISG much.
Had a great trip in Kiev. Maybe the mongering isn't the best like Germany but if you want to talk about a bad place try Romania it's almost impossible to find a half decent escort there and the regular girls are very conservative and not willing to have one-night stands.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 19:41
http://imgur.com/a/CwLbeLink's not working.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 19:45
Luis check your PMs.
When I come back to Ukraine I will do nothing but street and store / mall approach. I may also teach part-time to meet some regular girls.
They are prostitutes.
90 % of tinder is scum and prostitutes.
In Kiev the best and only real way to find normal girl is the street or mall.
Nightlife and online games are totally scum. Of 90 girl 1 2 are genuine.
P4P is one the worst in the world so far. This girl make themselves very strong behind a monitor because from the other side there is a pussyman real to pay 100 buck when normal Ukrainian will fuck free or maximum a pizza and coke. When you face them in street and run the game you can easily lower their asking, but you need practice and time to learn this.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 19:57
Re: taxis, I had 3-4 women ask me, after we had agreed to meet, if I was paying for their taxi. They really confused me, esp because 2 were in their 30's. Did they want to meet a man or not? 30 is ancient here! Ultimately I refused and saw none of them. 2 other women even refused to meet at the restaurant / lounge that I proposed, and proceeded to tell me where they wanted to go! WTF is wrong with some of these women? I guess that's why they're single, right?
1 more thing re taxis: just more proof how stupid some of these girls are. With most girls I paid 1000-1300, with 100 or 200 extra for taxi. With all 3 girls who came to my apartment, they took taxis coming and going. One lived way out in left bank. Her taxi was 160 one way, so say 300 round trip. Out of 1300 total, she spent 23% of what she made on a taxi!! $12 on taxis but she could have taken bus+metro round trip for 55 cents!
As I write this I'm getting more and more upset with myself, I realized how much time I wasted on Tinder and not out in the real world. Wasted time and energy on nasty, stupid greedy disrespectful women. Bottom of the barrel. Live and learn I guess.
Jonathan Pine
07-10-17, 21:32
You need to change your strategy completely quickly if you want to salvage your trip. It doesn't seem to be going well so far. Most of us punters can relate somehow to what you're going through now.
No, there's nothing wrong with these women. They're just scammers. It's what they do. Don't waste any more time with them. Go outside of your flat or hotel, chat to girls in person. Smile. Good luck.
Re: taxis, ... Her taxi was 160 one way, so say 300 round trip. Out of 1300 total, she spent 23% of what she made on a taxi!! $12 on taxis but she could have taken bus+metro round trip for 55 cents!160 for a taxi is a lie. Or she used a "lux" car. For example: Gulliver Center to Skymall = 75 UAH (2 weeks ago, tip included). And that's already a long way (12 km) and the same distance of nearly every destination from the center to the left bank. For 200/220 you can go to the airport in Borispol.
This was my last serious relation in Kiev.Beautiful girl. Thanks for sharing.
LuisVega11
07-10-17, 22:43
160 for a taxi is a lie. Or she used a "lux" car. For example: Gulliver Center to Skymall = 75 UAH (2 weeks ago, tip included). And that's already a long way (12 km) and the same distance of nearly every destination from the center to the left bank. For 200/220 you can go to the airport in Borispol.Sometimes if you are interested in a girl. And this girl has not shown sign of extreme scumming. I suggest give her more than normal taxi. If you want see her again or work hard on her. 160 is 6 euro. Not a lot. Sure if this girl come everytime for dinner and ask 160 gryvna an the bye bye go fuck off. I had one in may we met one time in a sushi we had pleasant time. Nice MILF with big boobs. I even got touch her melon in sushi but no kiss. When come taxi she asked me 400 gryvna. Ahaha. I laugh and give her 100 and she said ok I like you sorry. Bla bla. But she wanted only eat free and get 60 70 gryvna free. If she does it 20 days with three people a day is 180 gryvna, 3600 surplus of her normal job. That's why you should pay taxi only in case you see a possibility if not don't give nothing more than taxi. Many girl like this live of taxi scum.
"I live in Borispol. I need 300 gryvna each way to come to you how many times you have heard this?. According to them half population of Kiev live in Borispol. Ahahah.
My friend apart normal butchering around Buddha bar and internet. Got like 12000 gryvna month with this trick of Borispol. And she's pretty normal.
CherchezFemme
07-10-17, 23:49
160 for a taxi is a lie. Or she used a "lux" car. For example: Gulliver Center to Skymall = 75 UAH (2 weeks ago, tip included). And that's already a long way (12 km) and the same distance of nearly every destination from the center to the left bank. For 200/220 you can go to the airport in Borispol.No it's not. I saw the Yandex app. She is coming from Left Bank and I'm all the way by Zhulyiany airport. I believe Yandex does surge pricing just like Uber.
Please don't take it personal, but I would never fuck any of these girls.Please don't take it personal, but if you are spending 500+ Euro to spend 5 hours with Katy in FKK Oase, then I think your opinion about girls is pretty pathetic.
Please don't take it personal, but if you are spending 500+ Euro to spend 5 hours with Katy in FKK Oase, then I think your opinion about girls is pretty pathetic.I even spent week with her in Romania after that :)
CherchezFemme
07-12-17, 13:49
No it's not. I saw the Yandex app. She is coming from Left Bank and I'm all the way by Zhulyiany airport. I believe Yandex does surge pricing just like Uber.Can confirm Yandex taxi uses surge pricing. Last night I was at Bessarabska and Yandex Taxi asked 130 hrivna to go 5 km.
CherchezFemme
07-12-17, 13:50
You need to change your strategy completely quickly if you want to salvage your trip. It doesn't seem to be going well so far. Most of us punters can relate somehow to what you're going through now.
No, there's nothing wrong with these women. They're just scammers. It's what they do. Don't waste any more time with them. Go outside of your flat or hotel, chat to girls in person. Smile. Good luck.Thanks for the kind words. Hot sex helps take the sting off! When I come back to Ukraine I know what to do.
CherchezFemme
07-12-17, 17:30
I even spent week with her in Romania after that :)Where are photos of this incredible beauty? She did allow you to take photos, correct?
JohnDoe9021
07-12-17, 17:37
I will be in Europe for 3 weeks during late September to early October. I always do AirBNB, so I can have a super nice place for cheap. I am trying to figure out how to break up my trip. I am going for some day game and punting. Currently I am planning on 1 week in Warsaw, 1.5 weeks in Lviv / Kiev, and. 5 week in Moscow. I am looking to get the most bang for my buck and need some good advice on where to spend my time. I speak a little Czech, and 4 words in Russian. I heard that Lviv was awesome for day game / local chicks, but not for pros.
So what I am really looking for is should I spend more time in Ukraine, and just split the time up between Lviv and Kiev, or just focus on one city.
I am also going to do the Chernobyl tour.
Reading here pros are best found at higher end night clubs, and girls looking for sponsor are best on ukrainedate.com, does that sound about correct?
Member #4722
07-13-17, 14:04
For those that PM me I will be traveling for another 10 days and will respond when back home.
Last night in Kiev (Tuesday) was interesting.
Had gone through my Mamba contact list and wanted a real hottie for my last night. Went to Rio with an idea to get a great girl. Everyone must have thought the same thing as the talent was not there that night. Until I saw Natasha. 180 cm and a body where you can tell she works out every day and never miss a day. Took her for a "test drive" private dance for 500 hy and even though it was so so I just wanted to have this girl. I told her for takeout I would need 3 hours time and with kissing and DATY. She agreed and off we go. Now I remember why I never pick the prettiest girl. The sex was fine but after the first session since she doesn't speak much English there wasn't much to talk about so I figure I will pass the time until I recharge with DATY and she didn't want to do it. Didn't like her attitude and she didn't seem to want to be there so instead of pounding porn style for the next two hours I just sent her on her way and declined her request for taxi fare since she didn't meet her part of the bargain.
By this time it was late on Tuesday night and I went to Caribbean. I figured I had the advantage since I already got laid (an expensive one at that) and I would be satisfied if I didn't get another girl so I would only accept a fair price. Saw a pretty blonde and offered her a drink. Her name was Allora I think. This girl looks just like a hot bartender I have always wanted to bang back home. Nice legs and tight dress with a pretty face. I told her about my night's adventures and let her know that I would not pay a lot after my bad experience earlier. She started off at 150 but quickly went down to 100 as the place was pretty empty and I am sure she didn't want to go home empty handed. This was the opposite of my earlier experience. This girl was totally into me and we had a nice connection. Was rubbing her pussy in the taxi on the way home and then the next three hours were as close to GFE as you can get without BBBJ. Just had an amazing time with this girl. She had a great body to go along with that pretty face and was submissive and open to everything. I was a gentleman on my trip when dealing with these girls but just let my inner pervert out with this girl and she loved it! Nice way to end my two weeks in Kyiv!
CherchezFemme
07-14-17, 21:15
Was the apartment I went to where I found a great pro. It's at Esplanadna 2, directly in front of Gulliver.
You have to go up the stairs between the two cafes and ring 18#. The apt is on fifth floor.
The quality isn't very good. I saw ten of their girls and the only bangable ones were mine and a mid 40's MILF, blonde. So go but prepare to be disappointed.
But hey, ya never know. I got lucky maybe you will too.
The girls who answer the Viber messages are usually drooling idiots, so don't expect an honest answer as to how many girls are there, who is available, etc.
It was 700 per hour, I believe for two pops and covered blowjob. I tipped probably too much but I received phenomenal service so it was worth it. I tipped 500 before sex bc I wanted BBBJ. I got a lot more as I already stated.
CherchezFemme,
This place has been mentioned here before. It's directly across the street from the Dominoes pizza. It's very low quality and far from what most members here would want. I paid 1000 accompanied by a tout and recalled the experience to be completely worthless. I don't believe it's as easy as just texting the number in English. You'll probably need a guide if it's your first time.
Hi everyone,
I know there are many small working girl houses in the city centre of Kev. But we need the help of guide / pimps to us there. Who can provide me the contact numbers of those guide / pimps / agents? Thanks.
Hello fellow mongers!
I'll be visiting the wonderful city of Kiev for the first time in a few weeks. Unfortunately I will only be there from a Monday thru Saturday. Staying close to the premier palace hotel.
What are my options? Rio? Gia? Cabaret in the premier palace? Any pointers would be appreciated.
Mamba unfortunately won't be possible.
I don't speak any Russian or Ukrainian, so I will stand out like a sore thumb and will be known I'm a visitor!
CherchezFemme
07-15-17, 15:12
I use Google translate to communicate with them. You don't need a guide. Be a man. Stop needing someone to hold your hand. And if you are a baby that needs to be accompanied and shown everything, Ukraine is not for you!
It is not an easy place to monger.
Go to FKKs, Amsterdam, or Czech. Even Czech sometimes has a language barrier.
This place has been mentioned here before. It's directly across the street from the Dominoes pizza. It's very low quality and far from what most members here would want. I paid 1000 accompanied by a tout and recalled the experience to be completely worthless. I don't believe it's as easy as just texting the number in English. You'll probably need a guide if it's your first time.
I use Google translate to communicate with them. You don't need a guide. Be a man. Stop needing someone to hold your hand. And if you are a baby that needs to be accompanied and shown everything, Ukraine is not for you!
You completely missed the point. This is a well known illegal brothel with a prime location in the center that has been around for a long time. It's protected, you may have to have a contact that knows them for the first visit. It's not like the other apartments that come and go in various locations. I love the machoism in your post. Are you saying that you just sent a simple text with google translate and they sent you the door code and directions to the fifth floor and apartment number? Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaj. Someone likely walked you up the first time. If you are such a man, why do you not share the numbers and locations of the other apartments that will likely be shut down in due time and not the well known safe center standard.
CherchezFemme
07-15-17, 23:19
Yes, that's exactly what I did you mongoloid.
Since you're slow, I will explain what I did.
I saw an ad on kievlady.com.
I sent them a text message using Google translate.
They told me where to go.
I arrived, they told me what numbers to dial.
Was that simple enough for you?
You can thank me anytime.
Not machismo but I am emphasizing that Ukraine is not good for p4p or beginners.
I don't know any other apartments. If I did I would share.
. I understand English is not your first language, in which case maybe you should be quiet when you don't understand what the adults are discussing.
You completely missed the point. This is a well known illegal brothel with a prime location in the center that has been around for a long time. It's protected, you may have to have a contact that knows them for the first visit. It's not like the other apartments that come and go in various locations. I love the machoism in your post. Are you saying that you just sent a simple text with google translate and they sent you the door code and directions to the fifth floor and apartment number? Jajajajajajajajajajajajajajaj. Someone likely walked you up the first time. If you are such a man, why do you not share the numbers and locations of the other apartments that will likely be shut down in due time and not the well known safe center standard.
CherchezFemme
07-15-17, 23:34
Back to what we're here for. Girl #2 might be available. [Telephone Number deleted by Admin]
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CherchezFemme
07-16-17, 07:40
Guys, The girl does NOT wish to be contacted. If you are thinking of contacting her please don't.
I was thinking about this 700 grivna that a member supposedly payed for two pops in Kiev's most central brothel. I checked my old post and I had actually paid 1200 after telling the tout downstairs that it's all the money I had. If I recall correctly, Barba had posted he paid about a 1000. If this "protected" apartment in the very best location was charging 700 for two pops, that would break down to about $27. Brothels generally take half from the girl. So that would mean the girl is getting about $14. If she fucks you twice, that means she's banging you for $7 a pop. According to this logic, it would be fair to reason "unprotected" apartments further out from the city core would charge significantly less, maybe as low as $10 or $5. Sounds incredibly cheap, yet nobody brings attention to it on the forum. Why? Because almost everybody with the money and time to travel to Kiev wants nothing to do with that low quality shit.
"I'm not from Kiev. Send me money to come to you." Please. Guys be smart enough to not send a penny to someone who you never met!
I was thinking about this 700 grivna that a member supposedly payed for two pops in Kiev's most central brothel. I checked my old post and I had actually paid 1200 after telling the tout downstairs that it's all the money I had. If I recall correctly, Barba had posted he paid about a 1000. If this "protected" apartment in the very best location was charging 700 for two pops, that would break down to about $27. Brothels generally take half from the girl. So that would mean the girl is getting about $14. If she fucks you twice, that means she's banging you for $7 a pop. According to this logic, it would be fair to reason "unprotected" apartments further out from the city core would charge significantly less, maybe as low as $10 or $5. Sounds incredibly cheap, yet nobody brings attention to it on the forum. Why? Because almost everybody with the money and time to travel to Kiev wants nothing to do with that low quality shit.Well you might get a fuck with only 400 r. But you will fuck a cow!
http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/en/12-Baseina-Street-KV173
I never realized this, but I believe this PGH apartment would be in the same building and same floor as the brothel we have been referring to recently. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I was thinking about this 700 grivna that a member supposedly payed for two pops in Kiev's most central brothel. I checked my old post and I had actually paid 1200 after telling the tout downstairs that it's all the money I had. If I recall correctly, Barba had posted he paid about a 1000. If this "protected" apartment in the very best location was charging 700 for two pops, that would break down to about $27. Brothels generally take half from the girl. So that would mean the girl is getting about $14. If she fucks you twice, that means she's banging you for $7 a pop. According to this logic, it would be fair to reason "unprotected" apartments further out from the city core would charge significantly less, maybe as low as $10 or $5. Sounds incredibly cheap, yet nobody brings attention to it on the forum. Why? Because almost everybody with the money and time to travel to Kiev wants nothing to do with that low quality shit.I'm not sure exactly if this is the same apartment as the one I have been to. But I just saw the door on Google Street View, based on the address given below, and it looks the same or similar. I guess all doors on this building looks the same.
In any case I think I had the most beautiful girl I have ever had in Kiev at this apartment, it it indeed is the same apartment. Her name was Mila or Milana. She had a Scandinavian look. But that was October 2014.
I was taken there by a taxi driver. Ever since then, I always wanted to go back there, without the taxi driver, but I never managed it. Now I have the address and the floor number, but I guess I need the door code, as it probably changes often.
If anybody can give me their phone number, please pm me. Thanks.
In the one month since Ukraine's visa-free regime with the European Union came into force, demand for travel to the bloc has increased only slightly, with experts saying they have yet to see anything resembling a "boom. ".
It's estimated that the number of Ukrainians wanting to go to the border less Schengen Zone has jumped by five to 10 percent at most since visa-free travel was introduced on June 11. In total, according to figures from Ukraine and the EU, some 120,000 Ukrainians have taken advantage of the visa free regime so far.
In the one month since Ukraine's visa-free regime with the European Union came into force, demand for travel to the bloc has increased only slightly, with experts saying they have yet to see anything resembling a "boom. ".
It's estimated that the number of Ukrainians wanting to go to the border less Schengen Zone has jumped by five to 10 percent at most since visa-free travel was introduced on June 11. In total, according to figures from Ukraine and the EU, some 120,000 Ukrainians have taken advantage of the visa free regime so far.Thanks for the report.
The Mercy Seat
07-25-17, 19:05
I have been looking at Mamba profiles. And to me it seems that girls travel abroad more now than before. You can see that on the travel atlas on their profile. In the past it was usually Ukraine, Russia and Turkey. Now it is that plus all over Europa, and sometimes also USA and Canada.
Anyone are in kyiv now. I have not tried all the expensive clubs yet like sky bar, harem, tao, chi. I have traveled to sumy, kharkiv and poltave too. I 'm not specifically looking for sex because I already had a lot in US. I'm looking for girlfriend or future wife but people told me that good luck because most of them will hook if enough money is presented. Ya maybe but whatever, I still met some good girls just a few maybe. But now I'm looking for some top quality paid escort.
What do you guys say about the nightclubs like Sky bar, Tao, Chi, Buddha, Caribbean, LEO, Serebro, Shooter, -Shooters, Chrystal Hall, DLux, Arena etc. I heard that they are full of hookers but I'm sure there are normal girls hopefully but if there are high quality models there, I will pay. All I'm looking for is quality. I know in US, the top quality is like $800 to $1000 but still they may not be all that good. But if I can find top quality in Kyiv for $200, I will pay.
What do you guys suggest for quality? But still I heard that this year is much worse than any other years. 10 to 20 years ago the best, 5 years ago, better. 2 years ago, it was still fine. Nowadays, much less people and all girls went back to their hometown after colleges. It's all sucks.
DramaFree11
07-27-17, 05:14
Anyone are in kyiv now. I have not tried all the expensive clubs yet like sky bar, harem, tao, chi. I have traveled to sumy, kharkiv and poltave too. I 'm not specifically looking for sex because I already had a lot in US. I'm looking for girlfriend or future wife but people told me that good luck because most of them will hook if enough money is presented. Ya maybe but whatever, I still met some good girls just a few maybe. But now I'm looking for some top quality paid escort.
What do you guys say about the nightclubs like Sky bar, Tao, Chi, Buddha, Caribbean, LEO, Serebro, Shooter, -Shooters, Chrystal Hall, DLux, Arena etc. I heard that they are full of hookers but I'm sure there are normal girls hopefully but if there are high quality models there, I will pay. All I'm looking for is quality. I know in US, the top quality is like $800 to $1000 but still they may not be all that good. But if I can find top quality in Kyiv for $200, I will pay.
What do you guys suggest for quality? But still I heard that this year is much worse than any other years. 10 to 20 years ago the best, 5 years ago, better. 2 years ago, it was still fine. Nowadays, much less people and all girls went back to their hometown after colleges. It's all sucks.Sorry, if you are looking for a wife Kiev, is wrong places, especially if you are looking for quality. The city is great, but nightlife is terrible and has been that way for several years. The only action is day game and that can also be difficult.
Like how I rolled in US, I usually don't hire girls in San Francisco. I travel to 3rd tier towns 2 hours away from San Francisco but there are still quality girls there. I was in Sumy but this town is too spread out and people are rougher for some reason. But what about the small towns around Kyiv? Any one with some inside info?
In SF, we still got backpage, and other sites cover the 3rd tier cities 2 hours so we can still find them. In Kyiv, it seems they all come to Kyiv. I can see that most good looking girls from Sumy all went to Kyiv.
Like how I rolled in US, I usually don't hire girls in San Francisco. I travel to 3rd tier towns 2 hours away from San Francisco but there are still quality girls there. I was in Sumy but this town is too spread out and people are rougher for some reason. But what about the small towns around Kyiv? Any one with some inside info?
In SF, we still got backpage, and other sites cover the 3rd tier cities 2 hours so we can still find them. In Kyiv, it seems they all come to Kyiv. I can see that most good looking girls from Sumy all went to Kyiv.Stay in Kiev for safety. Girls throughout Ukraine concentrate there. Why go to them when they can come to you?
Stay in Kiev for safety. Girls throughout Ukraine concentrate there. Why go to them when they can come to you?This is not quite so. Yeah, you're right, cue is a magnet for Ukrainian girls like Las Vegas for American beauties. But in Kiev, the high cost of housing rental. All these girls can not live on the street on the banks of the Dnieper. Need housing. The high cost of renting housing in Kiev directly affects the price of your kievan BBBJ and CIM and generally flirt. In the big city, too, the cost of the metro and other transport is higher and renting an apartment near the subway is always more expensive. If the girl can not rent a house near the metro, she is also forced to pay for two types of transport every day-bus to the metro and later metro.
I can advise such large industrial cities as Kharkov with a huge number of students. Also a big city of a million inhabitants Dnepropetrovsk (now Dnipro city). There a large selection of girls and not so everything is expensive and less pathos. As we see it in Kiev. I mostly fuck Ukrainian chicks in these cities. I also often go to the city of Sumy. They are very beautiful blond girls but the city itself is relatively small and people there are not so uninhibited as in the vast Kharkov. But I know and speak Russian. So I'm not an ordinary Western monger. In Sumy I have two familiar young sisters and I last fucked them a month ago. For 1000 hryvnia for each. No bad money for it poor city.
In Sumy beautiful girls, but in Kharkov they are more open and more accessible. They think less about the risk that other people will learn about they sucked a dick for money or a dinner.
I did a test run in Sumy with my friend and he knows some girls there and we all went for a road trip that was it. Spent 2 days walking around and went to a near by village town too. My impression on Sumy is that its too spread out. Roads are big and big square every where. I know they are kind of poor. But people are kind of rougher base on my observation. Too bad I can't speak much Russian but I will take some classes later. There are goods in Sumy or small towns because they are left un-touched yet. If you can speak Russian and making USA money, Sumy maybe good.
This is not quite so. Yeah, you're right, cue is a magnet for Ukrainian girls like Las Vegas for American beauties. But in Kiev, the high cost of housing rental. All these girls can not live on the street on the banks of the Dnieper. Need housing. The high cost of renting housing in Kiev directly affects the price of your kievan BBBJ and CIM and generally flirt. In the big city, too, the cost of the metro and other transport is higher and renting an apartment near the subway is always more expensive. If the girl can not rent a house near the metro, she is also forced to pay for two types of transport every day-bus to the metro and later metro.
I can advise such large industrial cities as Kharkov with a huge number of students. Also a big city of a million inhabitants Dnepropetrovsk (now Dnipro city). There a large selection of girls and not so everything is expensive and less pathos. As we see it in Kiev. I mostly fuck Ukrainian chicks in these cities. I also often go to the city of Sumy. They are very beautiful blond girls but the city itself is relatively small and people there are not so uninhibited as in the vast Kharkov. But I know and speak Russian. So I'm not an ordinary Western monger. In Sumy I have two familiar young sisters and I last fucked them a month ago. For 1000 hryvnia for each. No bad money for it poor city.
In Sumy beautiful girls, but in Kharkov they are more open and more accessible. They think less about the risk that other people will learn about they sucked a dick for money or a dinner.My experiences outside Kiev have all been isolating. Kiev has a perfect layout with a walking street, but more importantly, it has a unique drawing power for the girls from throughout Ukraine. They can't afford apartments in the center but most can find rooms to share if they really wish to be part of the capital. BobSmith made it sound as if he wanted to visit small towns or villages, a bad idea.
I hadn't used mamba for a few years, but in preparing for my trip to Kiev next month, I've started to get back on mamba just recently.
First thing I noticed was that mamba no longer has this section to look for travel companions, which is a huge disappointment, because I've had a good luck with it before. And instead mamba just put a link to tourbar.com.
Anybody has any experience with this tourbar.com? It's the first time I've heard of this site.
There used to be a site called something like travelgirl.com, and I don't know what happened to it. Is tourbar.com any better?
Sorry, if this topic has been already discussed here before.
Greetings,
This is my third report this year. In my previous reports, I gave a general outline of my preferred methods, practice, and philosophy. Here, to avoid being too repetitive, I will instead do a play by play. Well, actually just the highlights, and the lowlights.
However, before I get to that point, I will address a couple of issues that have been discussed recently on this forum. Again, just my 2 cents.
One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices. There are two ways to address the problem. One way is to plead and beg, and hope that people out there stop thinking with their penises and refuse to pay exorbitant prices. For people who come only once and for a short time, all the pleading will fall on deaf ears because they want to get at least some action while they are here. However, they could stay home and spend the money better. A second way to address the problem is to tell everyone that the only way they will get high quality girls is to spend MORE than they would normally have to spend at home, so they might as well stay home. Oddly, the main person proselytizing this idea indicates that he, and only he, can get manage to pay low prices (never more than $50 USD) for supermodel types. Yes, being a long term resident or a repeat visitor has its advantages, but surely the difference is not so vast.
The same person who has never paid more than $50 argues that the rest of us will have to pay 200-300 USD to get top-shelf action. Let us up that into perspective. Three hundred USD, or 7500 UAH, could easily be the monthly wage of many of the girls we see every day (cashiers, sellers, secretaries, administrative assistants, etc). I know a woman who supports herself and her young son on 240 USD per month (She actually gets paid with USD, which is why I am not using UAH in this case). If we extend this logic, top shelf action back home would cost one month's wages. These women are presumably so hot that they can demand 2 to 4 thousand dollars for one hour of work. I do not think anyone's standards are so high, but if they are, then Ukraine is still a bargain! Sure, come to Ukraine and save 90%.
The fact is that few of us really need to limit ourselves to supermodels. At home, we might be content with girls in the $200 -500 range, or one to three days' wages. In Kiev, even after taking the foreigner factor of 2, you will get only about 1000 UAH. Gia girls lose 50% to the house and they start at 3000 UAH. For independents, 1000 to 2000 is more than reasonable.
Beauty is no guarantee of good sex. What if you indeed pay 7500 UAH for one hour of sex, and the sex is horrible! There are no refunds. She does not care! She does not need to work again for another month, and besides, tomorrow she will try to find another idiot who is willing to pay that much. That 7500 is enough to feed a whole family for a month, and a pretty single mum would have been happy to really earn that 7500 from you in 4 to 6 bouts, each one better than the last.
Someone posted their scale a while back. The "10" was considered "wife material". Unlikely. Can you imagine the pressure! Those old enough will remember an old song, by Dr. Hook. Unless you are a rock star or a multi-billionaire, you do not want a 10 for a wife. Imagine if anyone tried to grab Melania or Ivanka "by the pussy"? You would get killed. Okay, Putin did hit on them both, but he is Putin. For a wife, you want a nice girl, kind, helpful, fun, and yes, pretty enough so you feel happy when you look at her.
Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?
Pros and semi-pros. All dating sites are littered with pros. Even if you search for girls "seeking long term relationships", if they are interested in foreigners, they usually are pros or semi-pros. They will eventually reveal themselves and say "I meet men for money". The difference between a pro and semi-pro? It is a continuum. It depends on the degree to which they solely rely on prostitution for money, and the frequency at which they do so. I personally prefer the once a week to once per month type of girl. They are not so jaded yet and they can be a little more picky, given that they can have more time to choose, but also more likely to give you better service. How do I know who is who? Well, the hardened pros are easy to tell.
I guess I will leave the report to the next entry.
LuisVega11
07-30-17, 00:28
Greetings,
This is my third report this year. In my previous reports, I gave a general outline of my preferred methods, practice, and philosophy. Here, to avoid being too repetitive, I will instead do a play by play. Well, actually just the highlights, and the lowlights.
However, before I get to that point, I will address a couple of issues that have been discussed recently on this forum. Again, just my 2 cents.
One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices. There are two ways to address the problem. One way is to plead and beg, and hope that people out there stop thinking with their penises and refuse to pay exorbitant prices. For people who come only once and for a short time, all the pleading will fall on deaf ears because they want to get at least some action while they are here. However, they could stay home and spend the money better. A second way to address the problem is to tell everyone that the only way they will get high quality girls is to spend MORE than they would normally have to spend at home, so they might as well stay home. Oddly, the main person proselytizing this idea indicates that he, and only he, can get manage to pay low prices (never more than $50 USD) for supermodel types. Yes, being a long term resident or a repeat visitor has its advantages, but surely the difference is not so vast.
The same person who has never paid more than $50 argues that the rest of us will have to pay 200-300 USD to get top-shelf action. Let us up that into perspective. Three hundred USD, or 7500 UAH, could easily be the monthly wage of many of the girls we see every day (cashiers, sellers, secretaries, administrative assistants, etc). I know a woman who supports herself and her young son on 240 USD per month (She actually gets paid with USD, which is why I am not using UAH in this case). If we extend this logic, top shelf action back home would cost one month's wages. These women are presumably so hot that they can demand 2 to 4 thousand dollars for one hour of work. I do not think anyone's standards are so high, but if they are, then Ukraine is still a bargain! Sure, come to Ukraine and save 90%.
The fact is that few of us really need to limit ourselves to supermodels. At home, we might be content with girls in the $200 -500 range, or one to three days' wages. In Kiev, even after taking the foreigner factor of 2, you will get only about 1000 UAH. Gia girls lose 50% to the house and they start at 3000 UAH. For independents, 1000 to 2000 is more than reasonable.
Beauty is no guarantee of good sex. What if you indeed pay 7500 UAH for one hour of sex, and the sex is horrible! There are no refunds. She does not care! She does not need to work again for another month, and besides, tomorrow she will try to find another idiot who is willing to pay that much. That 7500 is enough to feed a whole family for a month, and a pretty single mum would have been happy to really earn that 7500 from you in 4 to 6 bouts, each one better than the last.
Someone posted their scale a while back. The "10" was considered "wife material". Unlikely. Can you imagine the pressure! Those old enough will remember an old song, by Dr. Hook. Unless you are a rock star or a multi-billionaire, you do not want a 10 for a wife. Imagine if anyone tried to grab Melania or Ivanka "by the pussy"? You would get killed. Okay, Putin did hit on them both, but he is Putin. For a wife, you want a nice girl, kind, helpful, fun, and yes, pretty enough so you feel happy when you look at her.
Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?
Pros and semi-pros. All dating sites are littered with pros. Even if you search for girls "seeking long term relationships", if they are interested in foreigners, they usually are pros or semi-pros. They will eventually reveal themselves and say "I meet men for money". The difference between a pro and semi-pro? It is a continuum. It depends on the degree to which they solely rely on prostitution for money, and the frequency at which they do so. I personally prefer the once a week to once per month type of girl. They are not so jaded yet and they can be a little more picky, given that they can have more time to choose, but also more likely to give you better service. How do I know who is who? Well, the hardened pros are easy to tell.
I guess I will leave the report to the next entry.If you want fuck high level girl in Kiev you need money or other skill. Point.
The rest are talk. For 1000 gryvna, if the girl is only interested in money, you fuck mediocre to normal girl. Sure you can be happy cause at home maybe you not have a great sexual life, but.
This is the truth.
Kiev-x. In.
Go to this website and see what Ukrainian. Not foreigner fuck for 800 1000 gryvna.
If you want fuck high level girl but don't have one you need to be Brad Pitt and introduced to the girl by some man in their circle.
I'm talking of beautiful girl.
CherchezFemme
07-30-17, 12:33
Taxis. Unless they are travelling from midnight to 5:00 am, taxis are totally unnecessary. Outside those times, they are just part of the scam. Furthermore, unless the girls are all coming from the airport, the taxi does not cost 200 UAH. As someone else pointed out, who in their right mind would pay 20-40% of their earnings (400 out of a 1000 to 2000 UAH gig) on transportation when it can be had for 0.4 to 0.8 %?
Stupid 20 year old girls will spend that much. I told them to take public transportation! Do they listen? No.
You can only teach those who wish to learn.
These girls need older men in their life to guide them.
You did not read the rest of my posts carefully. I saw exactly what the girls were paying on Yandex taxi. From left bank to my neighborhood in right bank during afternoon, the price is well above 100 hrivna.
Maybe local taxi company charges less? I don't know.
CherchezFemme
07-30-17, 12:48
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Beauty is no guarantee of good sex. Amen. A lot of posters in the Kiev forum should heed those words.
KareteKid90
07-30-17, 16:33
Hello,
Apart from mamba, which websites do you suggest for long term relationship?
Thanks,
Karete.
DramaFree11
07-30-17, 21:01
If you want fuck high level girl in Kiev you need money or other skill. Point.
The rest are talk. For 1000 gryvna, if the girl is only interested in money, you fuck mediocre to normal girl. Sure you can be happy cause at home maybe you not have a great sexual life, but.
This is the truth.
Kiev-x. In.
Go to this website and see what Ukrainian. Not foreigner fuck for 800 1000 gryvna.
If you want fuck high level girl but don't have one you need to be Brad Pitt and introduced to the girl by some man in their circle.
I'm talking of beautiful girl.Your report is the correct. High End Girls have many option and for the most part are not even interested in Foreign Guys. They will laugh at 1000 Grv, this has been the case for years.
As far as salaries, there is just no way of knowing the truth, but most of my friends were making $500-$1000 a month and could make more, but they were lazy. Money does not motivated Ukraine girls as girls from the states. They make enough to travel and pay there bills.
Hello,
Apart from mamba, which websites do you suggest for long term relationship?
Thanks,
Karete.Finding girls are the easiest part, But you need expert advise to make relationships last a long time.
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com
LuisVega11
07-31-17, 13:24
Your report is the correct. High End Girls have many option and for the most part are not even interested in Foreign Guys. They will laugh at 1000 Grv, this has been the case for years.
As far as salaries, there is just no way of knowing the truth, but most of my friends were making $500-$1000 a month and could make more, but they were lazy. Money does not motivated Ukraine girls as girls from the states. They make enough to travel and pay there bills.I'd say even medium to high quality have tons of possibility. I have many friend I won't consider them more than 6 or 7 in my scale who are traveling practically all summer, my best friend in 40 days have been France Spain Italy 2 times, and they collect much more money than what many here thinks. I have never met a person who seems to lie with 200 dollar month, sen if they work with salary near 300. Every nice in girl have tons of possibility. That's why most report shows lot of failure or Mamba as last resources to find pussy, mostly very low quality.
Sure there are some desperate in Ukraine who will collect even 400 gryvna hour.
CallSign Papa
07-31-17, 15:54
One of the biggest problem with foreigners is that they raise the prices. Twas ever thus Stevie. I suspect the problem is those guys who visit Kiev but have no knowledge of resources like this site (and therefore no benchmark) and who then overpay.
I have been many times to Kiev.
The dating scene in Kiev is not easy. Kiev is all about the money. Serious girls not even want to go to BuddaBar because they not want people think they are pro.
You can find your next ex wife in Kiev but better to look in other cities of Ukraine.
The pro scene is strange. Prices are not logical. You can find a sexbomb who fuck your brain out for 100 $ and you can find a medium looking girl who want 300 $ or even 1000 $ and who for this give you mechanical and boring sex.
There is girls who get a hell of a lot of money because there is people, local and tourist, who pay crazy amounts for sex.
Many users here just talk about how the woman look. So do you want good sex or just have sex with a nice looking woman?
Personally I think a normal face with a good body is nice. And personality is the main thing.
I advice to find the semi pros. The woman who need to do it maybe one or two times a month to manage. I have met with a woman who do like this. Slim, sexy and good looking.
She take 100 $ / hour and fucked me like I was here boyfriend. She even wanted to go for a drink with me first so we could connect. If connection was not good we planed to cancel about sex.
Other option is to find the young or one who is new in the game. Or the one who just do it to collect cash for for example moving to other country.
I had just super sex with one journalist who is now living in USA. She needed money to relocate.
Examples:
Instagram:
Ali_nka__n 200 $.
Anzhelikakhozhainova 100 $ nice.
Maryyegorova 100 $ super sex GFE.
Ryslanka_boiko one I know did here .200 $ super sex. GFE.
My experience is that 100 $ for 1 to 3 hours is a minimum to get a decent girl. This is the price of a pair of Levis jeans in Kiev.
But you can pay big money in Kiev and end up with a masturbating machine. But how to know this up front?
Of course it help when the woman want to meet for a coffee first. A woman who do not want to fuck someone she do not like at all.
And a good sign is when she hug and kiss you like the love of her life after 1 minute.
If she is cold as ice kick here out and call the next one.
So. This forum is about fucking the most beautiful woman or the cheapest woman. Nothing of this is for me important.
The body I like with a OK face and a nice personality is the main thin for me.
Ola.
Hi,
What sites are good to fine gals in Kiev.
When I am in Kiev where can I fine gals.
What hotels are gals friendly.
Is the site relaxkiev any good.
LuisVega11
08-01-17, 19:12
I have been many times to Kiev.
The dating scene in Kiev is not easy. Kiev is all about the money. Serious girls not even want to go to BuddaBar because they not want people think they are pro.
You can find your next ex wife in Kiev but better to look in other cities of Ukraine.
The pro scene is strange. Prices are not logical. You can find a sexbomb who fuck your brain out for 100 $ and you can find a medium looking girl who want 300 $ or even 1000 $ and who for this give you mechanical and boring sex.
There is girls who get a hell of a lot of money because there is people, local and tourist, who pay crazy amounts for sex.
Many users here just talk about how the woman look. So do you want good sex or just have sex with a nice looking woman?
Personally I think a normal face with a good body is nice. And personality is the main thing...Good point and I agree with you.
The girl you posted are actually my type and what I look for.
Very different for cheap girl that collect 500 gryvna.
I agree that is important to have good sex instead of top cold beauty, but this depends mostly on the attitude you have with the girl, if you met her and she likes you.
I suspect these girl in Instagram like you cause their price seems a bit low for their level, so I will try to meet them and see what happen,. I suspect if they not like you they won't charge 100 for 3 hours. But they look goods and face of *****.
I don't know how to find escorts on Instagram. I know girls are moving to Instagram for hooking nowadays. How to search them? My friend told me that Arab pay good money for those so called "Instagram models". They look so good and still single you wonder why. The Arabs got nothing else to do because they already tried so they like to fuck them and then take shit on their chest and take photos of the shit on the girls tits. But they pay the girls well though. Girls are pretty dirty. So many people told me that Kyiv is done. Normal dating is very difficult. They just see foreigners as ATM machine. My Ukrainian friends also told me that he would not find his wife in Kyiv. He suggest me to go to smaller cities too and maybe even villages It is not impossible because there are girls coming from other cities to Kyiv to look for jobs too but generally its just hard. Girls live in Kyiv are spoiled because there are many foreigners who give them offers. I know 1 guy from US got a extremely rich dad so he don't need to do anything he just lives here trying to find his next ex wife but still very hard because he wants model quality only. Well. When you are like on that level of rich, you are not going for normal looking girls. But even for normal looking girls, its hard. I dated a few normal girls for the past few weeks. Not really pretty but got a real job and work long hours. So sometime its hard to decide if I should continue to spend times with the real one but not really pretty or just spend $100 to get the hot escort and get the fast and easy fun? But base on a lot of people who travel around, Ukraine and maybe Russia still got larger amount of good looking girls in general.
Back to the main question. How to find escorts on Instagram?
Just comment on their photos, inviting them to meet you, asking how much.
I don't know how to find escorts on Instagram. I know girls are moving to Instagram for hooking nowadays. How to search them? My friend told me that Arab pay good money for those so called "Instagram models". They look so good and still single you wonder why. The Arabs got nothing else to do because they already tried so they like to fuck them and then take shit on their chest and take photos of the shit on the girls tits. But they pay the girls well though. Girls are pretty dirty. So many people told me that Kyiv is done. Normal dating is very difficult. They just see foreigners as ATM machine. My Ukrainian friends also told me that he would not find his wife in Kyiv. He suggest me to go to smaller cities too and maybe even villages It is not impossible because there are girls coming from other cities to Kyiv to look for jobs too but generally its just hard. Girls live in Kyiv are spoiled because there are many foreigners who give them offers. I know 1 guy from US got a extremely rich dad so he don't need to do anything he just lives here trying to find his next ex wife but still very hard because he wants model quality only. Well. When you are like on that level of rich, you are not going for normal looking girls. But even for normal looking girls, its hard. I dated a few normal girls for the past few weeks. Not really pretty but got a real job and work long hours. So sometime its hard to decide if I should continue to spend times with the real one but not really pretty or just spend $100 to get the hot escort and get the fast and easy fun? But base on a lot of people who travel around, Ukraine and maybe Russia still got larger amount of good looking girls in general.
Back to the main question. How to find escorts on Instagram?
Hi guys,
I am new to this site so I am sorry if I am asking something that was already discussed thoroughly.
I am going for the first time to Kiev and I have a few questions.
I have been going over some sites in my own country and the recommended approach for finding good looking girls in reasonable prices is Mamba.
I have been scouting the site for almost a week and and a half and I got a lot of phone numbers (Viber) from there (at least 25), where the prices are usually 100 $ - 150 $ for 2 - 3 hours.
I have been reading some posts ion here and I am starting to think that I was wasting my time. According to some post in here, I understand that most of the Mamaba girls are Pros or Semi pros and the sex would, in most cases be very casual and without any emotions.
So:
1) How recommended is mamba?
2) Are there any more sites (not independent) that you can recommend?
3) In my sites people say to stay way from girls in strip clubs or clubs\bars, is that true?
4) Do you think it will be safe to rent a car and try to "pick up" girls from the neighboring villages near Kiev?
DramaFree11
08-03-17, 20:47
Hi guys,
I am new to this site so I am sorry if I am asking something that was already discussed thoroughly.
I am going for the first time to Kiev and I have a few questions.
I have been going over some sites in my own country and the recommended approach for finding good looking girls in reasonable prices is Mamba.
I have been scouting the site for almost a week and and a half and I got a lot of phone numbers (Viber) from there (at least 25), where the prices are usually 100 $ - 150 $ for 2 - 3 hours.
I have been reading some posts ion here and I am starting to think that I was wasting my time. According to some post in here, I understand that most of the Mamaba girls are Pros or Semi pros and the sex would, in most cases be very casual and without any emotions.Sorry, I think you are wasting you time. It is not very good at all and without local knowledge you will be real disappointed. There are way better places to go.
LuisVega11
08-03-17, 22:29
Correct my previous link added.
http://www.kiev-x.in/viewforum.php?id=1
Sound reading, if you can undo some Russian, that even Ukraine got lot of scums and bad service. And that for under 1000 you fuck low quality as expected.
Dion Cassius
08-03-17, 22:58
Hi guys,
I am new to this site so I am sorry if I am asking something that was already discussed thoroughly.
I am going for the first time to Kiev and I have a few questions.
I have been going over some sites in my own country and the recommended approach for finding good looking girls in reasonable prices is Mamba.
I have been scouting the site for almost a week and and a half and I got a lot of phone numbers (Viber) from there (at least 25), where the prices are usually 100 $ - 150 $ for 2 - 3 hours.
I have been reading some posts ion here and I am starting to think that I was wasting my time. According to some post in here, I understand that most of the Mamaba girls are Pros or Semi pros and the sex would, in most cases be very casual and without any emotions.
So:
1) How recommended is mamba?
2) Are there any more sites (not independent) that you can recommend?
3) In my sites people say to stay way from girls in strip clubs or clubs\bars, is that true?
4) Do you think it will be safe to rent a car and try to "pick up" girls from the neighboring villages near Kiev?I have been very happy with the two girls I booked with Gia.
I spent few days in Kiev and met a couple of semipros early twenties.
Pm me if interested in contacts.
Hello,
It is so much talk about Rio on this forum.
I have been to strip clubs all over Europe. As strip club there is one now in Arena named Harem. It is really nice. Not so nice as Hustler club in Paris but nice. Same company have an other one named Dolls located close to station for Dynamo Kiev. Also nice.
Question: I know takeaway is possible from this two clubs. Have anyone tried it? And how was it?
About other bars like Budda Bar: Play the the game and get the phone numbers on Saturday evening. Then call the girl on Sunday or Monday and it can be possible to get much better price. And a good advice: be a gentleman. Behave with respect.
How to find girls:
Mamba: it is still working. Just go direct on the point. Example: write: Hello. Meet? $$ If you get response ask for phone number. Then go to WhatsApp or Viber. If you not get phone number after short time go to next girl. You maybe need to write a lot of girls.
And always have a plan be, see and the. The girl you plan to meet may get a much better offer and will then of course cancel on you.
Tinder: It is also working. I know men who had great success with Tinder.
Ola.
I have been very happy with the two girls I booked with Gia.Sorry for the ignorance but, what is GIA?
Can you send me a link?
InterTravel224
08-06-17, 22:17
Hello friends,
I will arrive in Kiev today and was wondering if anyone could share contacts of apartments I could possibly visit.
Thanks.
Bro, I was going to help you but you don't have PM privileges. You are most certainly unprepared for this trip. (ha ha joke).
PM me when you are ready.
Hello friends,
I will arrive in Kiev today and was wondering if anyone could share contacts of apartments I could possibly visit.
Thanks.
I have been very happy with the two girls I booked with Gia.I had couple of negative experiences with GIA. See my detailed posts.
I am willing to change my mind hoping that my experiences are an exception but please give details if you can. Names, accuracy of photos, service quality etc. They are an escort agency with photos on the internet so need to worry about privacy issues. Without details, your definition of good time may not apply to others. Thank you.
How come you guys that ask for help don't have PM? You spend thousands of dollars to get to travel and stay in a new city but don't take the time to pay or earn PM status. It is counter productive guys. The first thing for newbies learn is that open forum is for general info. Specific info is almost always exchanged by PM. That is how this forum is set up and has been working well for over a decade.
Good luck.
By the way, I disagree with the other poster who said, "go somewhere else". Read my posts from couple of months. I was told the same thing three months ago when I was planning.
Also, my best friend from college just got back from Kiev. He said he had a fantastic time. All he did was take my advice and used Andre, the local guide. PM me if you want his number.
Kiev certainly is not for everyone. I had reservations about the city before I went, which I wrote about but meeting Andre changed all that. Some guys are in principle against using guides. I respect that and no quarrel. But for those like me with no Russian language and are visiting for less than a week, to use a guide and have a good time makes way more sense than hit or miss attempts, striking out on no shows and in general be disappointed in a city full of stunners.
The best part is that you don't get charged more by the girls or apartments because you used a guide as you have to pay the guide. They may pay a small commission to him but that is insignificant.
I will be happy to share his Viber number. Please DO NOT ask ME how much I paid him as everyone's needs are different. Ask him. Read my past posts if you want to know more.
Hi guys,
I am new to this site so I am sorry if I am asking something that was already discussed thoroughly.
I am going for the first time to Kiev and I have a few questions.
I have been going over some sites in my own country and the recommended approach for finding good looking girls in reasonable prices is Mamba.
I have been scouting the site for almost a week and and a half and I got a lot of phone numbers (Viber) from there (at least 25), where the prices are usually 100 $ - 150 $ for 2 - 3 hours.
I have been reading some posts ion here and I am starting to think that I was wasting my time. According to some post in here, I understand that most of the Mamaba girls are Pros or Semi pros and the sex would, in most cases be very casual and without any emotions.
So:
1) How recommended is mamba?
2) Are there any more sites (not independent) that you can recommend?
3) In my sites people say to stay way from girls in strip clubs or clubs\bars, is that true?
4) Do you think it will be safe to rent a car and try to "pick up" girls from the neighboring villages near Kiev?
Blue Swede
08-07-17, 05:37
Sorry for the ignorance but, what is GIA?
Can you send me a link?Is Google broken for you? .
Else, try to put "GIA Kiev" in the search. Or: Read this forum.
JacobBrasil
08-07-17, 21:25
Visit last week doles and harem both places cost 5000 gr for 2 girls. Harem is better girls.
Dion Cassius
08-08-17, 07:23
I had couple of negative experiences with GIA. See my detailed posts.
I am willing to change my mind hoping that my experiences are an exception but please give details if you can. Names, accuracy of photos, service quality etc. They are an escort agency with photos on the internet so need to worry about privacy issues. Without details, your definition of good time may not apply to others. Thank you.I had two girls in January 2016 but they are no longer listed on their site: Mary and Nastia (they have another Nastia now but mine was a blonde one). Their services and attitude were pretty good (without being stellar) : very good be be be J by both but Nastia was overall a bit more enthusiastic, on the other hand she left a bit too early.
The booking has to be made by phone and the woman who answered was not the most pleasant nor the most helpful.
I had two girls in January 2016 but they are no longer listed on their site: Mary and Nastia (they have another Nastia now but mine was a blonde one). Their services and attitude were pretty good (without being stellar) : very good be be be J by both but Nastia was overall a bit more enthusiastic, on the other hand she left a bit too early.
The booking has to be made by phone and the woman who answered was not the most pleasant nor the most helpful.Thank you sir. Kind of you to take note and reply. You are a good man.
It is true that there were frequent good reports about Gia in 2016. I had High hopes. As I mentioned before, of the 20 plus girls me and my friends had, the Gia girl was the only one we sent back! It is either extreme photoshop or a bait and switch. It does not matter. Gia is tempting so if you use, make sure you tell the madam that you will send the girl back if she is not as beautiful like in the photos. I put it that way because there are reports of Gia clearly sending who is not in the photos but still pretty. So most guys would keep them. A beauty is a beauty.
Here is more of a play by play report.
I arrived in the afternoon. The taxi sharks attacked as soon as I stepped out into the public area. Just for laugh, I asked: "only" $20 USD said one, and 400 UAH another. Last time I left, my girl booked me a taxi for 180 UAH. I gave the guy 200. Anyway, I exchanged only a $20 and then went to the pretty SIM card girls to get a local number. It was only 180 UAH, and the phone lasted for my entire visit. I took the shuttle to the metro for only 50 UAH, the Metro for 4 UAH for 8 stops and walked 150 m to my apartment. On the way, I stopped at another currency exchange (one that I know has a good rate, better than at the airport) so I could pay for the place. At the apartment, the owner, a hot young MILF, was waiting for me.
During the trip, I sent a few texts and emails to some of my girls. When I arrived, I unloaded and made some plans. After a little rest, I went out for a walk to enjoy the sights. The city girls were as lovely as ever! A few simple things make an amazing difference in women: a nice dress, some high heels, and 25 Kg less!
I then came back to wait for one of my girls: beautiful, 33, and amazing sex. Yes, 10 years ago she probably looked better but maybe she did not know how to fuck. Anyway, that was it for my first day. I gave her 1200 UAH. We agreed to meet again and for her to set up dates with 2 of her friends: a 25 year old former dancer, and a 19 year old student. They do not speak any English. I do not know if this girl gets a commission or is just a good friend. We had threesomes with her and each of her friends last time, but this time I wanted them one-on-one.
The next day, I eventually hooked up with a girl that I had missed last time. We had flirted a lot online, and she had sent me lots of photos, some of her performing fellatio. Not really the thing you want to see, maybe. I do not know. We met at 7:00 pm. , after she finished her regular work. As I mentioned before, in Kiev, it is easier to get sex at 5:00 am Than at any time before 5:00 pm She showed me some photos and she was shockingly beautiful back in her day, but now she was almost borderline. I assume she was in her late 30's, and it showed. However, she absolutely loves playing with a cock, working herself into a frenzy. It is strange to have sex with a woman while you keep thinking of how much more beautiful she USED to be. Anyway, it was a little weird, but it was mind-blowing sex.
A couple of hours later, I had a chance to redeem myself. I had a date with a lovely 19 year old student. Tall, beautiful, perfectly smooth skin, firm everywhere, and without a gram of extra fat. In contrast, however, she was very passive at first. We kissed and made out for at least 10 minutes before any clothing came off. I was a great experience, for a different reason. I was inspired by her beauty and enjoying every moment of it. Unfortunately, she did not speak any English. The date was set up by her friend, and we had had a threesome before, but this was her first time one-on-one with me. I gave her 1800 UAH. We met 3 more times during my stay, one of them in a threesome.
Anyway, so it went. The first few days I was focused on girls I knew from previous trips, girls that I had not quite met on previous trips. I figured for the former, I knew what I was getting, and for the latter, I had already done a lot of the legwork. As the days passed, I shifted my attention to their friends, and yes, new girls.
The hot under-25 demographic was difficult to crack. Actually, I should be more specific. It was hard to crack independently, using only the internet, and for a reasonable price. I do not know if it was because it is the summer and prices naturally go up, or because you guys have been paying too much and raising the prices.
However, I had success using previous contacts. As I mentioned, it was my third trip this year, and I have a small group of delicious girls who give me what I want for a reasonable price. They all have friends. According to them, nearly all women in Ukraine are semi-pros. My strategy was to invite the friend for a threesome. The friend comes with a good attitude, expecting a good time, and generally agrees to do everything the previous girls already did with me (no covered BJ, full kissing, money after the fact, etc.). Then, I can invite the new girl alone, or together, depending on the availability, and my mood. Another benefit is that birds of a feather stick together. University girls know other university girls. I know a girl who is a former dancer, now a fitness girl, and she brought me a delicious fitness girl for some mutual pleasure. Anyway, my point is that it is possible to break into the top shelf girls (under 25, gorgeous, and not hardened pros), and for a reasonable price (1000 to 2000), but it takes some work.
I tend to agree with some guys who have mentioned this before: restaurants, cafes, malls, and the street are actually better for getting a hot girl for a reasonable price than the internet. Any girl who sits near you or stands near you is interested in making contact. As it has been mentioned here, nearly all girls are semi-pros, and you will soon find out. Instead of setting up a date and waiting until the third date to invite her to your place, do so in the first date, even when the first date is a coffee just after you meet.
I would not want to paint an unrealistically rosy picture. There were some setbacks. For example, I rejected a delicious girl after she was already at my apartment. She wanted the money up front (they always do) and refused to accept half before and half after (they usually do). Unfortunately, experience has taught me that after they have the money in hand, the service goes down unless they really think that you are a long-term repeat customer, and they do not really believe that you are a repeat customer until at least he second time. So, paying ahead is a losing proposition. She was a brown-haired sweetie in the early 20's. That is too bad!
I rejected another girl at the door to my building. After extensive negotiations, she eventually arrived. She was very nicely dressed, and her body looked great in an elegant little minidress. Her face was average but not too bad. Her teeth, however, were not only stained from smoking, but full of tartar. How difficult can it be to floss once in a while? I immediately imagined the last guy's sperm stuck between her teeth. I figured I would get a covered BJ and would not kiss her at all, and her body was great, so I could do it from behind. She gave me the excuse I needed to reject her when she asked me to pay her driver before coming up. I gave her one chance to change her mind and left her.
I left another two girls at the door because they did not look at all like their photos. Despite repeated warnings, they had sent me fake photos. Maybe it was them 5 years and 10 Kg ago. I do now know, but it is not my problem.
I guess I was acting a little cocky. I had my regular girls, who could easily give me a great vacation just by themselves, and at the same time, I was working on their friends, so I was not going to accept new girls below par. Anyway, the point is that if you do not have time, you may have to agree to whatever shows up at your door.
A seriously beautiful 25 year old girl from my previous trip was playing hard to get. She was like a young Megan Fox, without facial acne. When I arrived, on a Thursday, she replied that she had to go to Paris, and would be back on Tuesday. I really doubt it. She was just pointing out that she was "high quality" and was trying to raise the price. Last time, she had tried hard to get $200 USD for 2 hours, but eventually settled for 2000 UAH for one hour. Eventually, I got her next Wednesday, when she "returned from Paris". Again, she eventually agreed to 2000 UAH. The sex was good. It took some time to get her going, but she did get into it and enjoyed it for a while. So did I. However, her ego was always in the way. As soon as we finished, her attitude changed. Obviously, you guys have been paying her too much, and in her own mind, she thinks she deserves $200 for 2 hours. Anyway, it was too much about money for my taste, so I just deleted her number after she left. Oddly enough, she called me on the day I was leaving.
I worry about girls who are in it only for the money. The cause is clear: you guys have paid too much before and now they know they can eventually get whatever they ask. Those stories or Dubai port-a-potties are shocking, but we do not have to go that far. The ones that refuse to negotiate with anyone make me wonder who have they fucked and what have they done for the right amount of money. I prefer to limit myself to normal Ukrainian girls, who are a little more selective and they just need and expect a little money for their sexual favours.
Contrary to what others are saying here, I had a good experience for under 1000 UAH, from a girl for top models. Usually, I do not even try to bother with girls under 1000 UAH, but her photo looked real, so I called. We switched to Whatsup and she sent me other photos. She was busty, with long brown hair, only 22, and beautiful. I repeatedly told her hat if the photos were not real, she would be sent home. Anyway, she agreed to come but then added: "$ 100 USD". I simply replied with "the web site says 800 UAH". I figured the deal was over, but 20 minutes later I get another message "1300 grivna plus taxi". I waited a while, and I replied "Use the metro. The web site says 800". Another 20 minutes pass. I am sure she was weighing other options. So was I. Eventually she agreed. I was certain the photos were going to be fake and was ready to send her home, but I was shocked when she showed up. We had a little argument about paying before or after and agreed on half now, half later, and she insisted on a covered BJ. The sex itself was pretty good. Once she got into it, she forgot that she was doing it for money. I ended up giving her 1000, and I saw her two more times, once alone and one with one of her friends. Every time, I paid only 1000 per girl per hour. That is another reason to negotiate hard. Once you settle on a price, it becomes the benchmark for future encounters.
I went to "Club Bosphorus" once, just because it was the middle of the week, I could not sleep, and there was no cover charge. The girls were very nice, but wildly overpriced. As I mentioned before, some of these girls can be had for a lot less earlier in the evening. In one of my previous trips, I once paid a girl only 1000 UAH earlier in the evening, and a few hours later I saw her again in full battle gear (high heels, elegant minidress, nails, hair and make-up) at "Club Bosphorus", but now she was asking for $100 USD. Of course, she got it from some idiot.
One Friday night, I went to Sorry Babushka. I do not think nightclubs are the best place to meet girls, but I just like to watch girls dance. I did not have success this time. Actually, smaller venues are probably better. Sports bars or English-style bars give you a better chance to interact. I also found two open air salsa parties, one at Taras Sherchenko park and another one in Podol, near the river. Of course, you have to know how to dance salsa. If you do know how to salsa, however, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.
For one long weekend, I went to Dnipro. I was a little concerned about missing some action in Kiev, but it turned out to be fine. I had a few "marriage material" girls to meet, girls with whom I had already emailed, chatted, and / or video chatted. Surprisingly, they were far more interested in actually meeting me than similar girls in Kiev. I have come to Kiev with the intention to meet girls who are supposedly interested in marriage, but when I arrive, they suddenly "play hard to get". They are out of town, they cannot meet today, they work early the next day, etc, and the days pass and we do not meet. In Dnipro, one girl I met actually figured out the obvious: the best way to a man's heart is via his cock. We were having sex less than one hour after we met. For another one, it took a second date. Yes, I am planning to see them both again. About the pros, one of my regular girls in Kiev put me in contact with a friend in Dnipro. A good recommendation was enough to overcome our communication problems, and we had a great time. In four days there, I only met 2 other pros. By the way, the price is about half that of Kiev, but the likelihood of finding anyone speaking English is also lower.
Anyway, in summary:
-I personally prefer semi-pros, girls who have sex for a reasonable price anywhere from one per week to once per month just for a little extra money. Of course, I do not really know. Maybe I like girls who give me that impression. I do not like pros at either end, the ones that have sex 5 times per day, nor the ones that are willing to have sex with anyone for the right price (usually one or two hundred USD per hour). Between these two extremes, there are tens of thousands of beautiful girls in Kiev.
-It is better to visit often and establish a set of contacts that give you good sex for a reasonable price. Then ask them for referrals. On average this time, I had a little over 2 girls per day, an about one in four were new girls.
-it was weird that with very young girls, under 22, I immediately felt as if I wanted to take them out of the market permanently and marry them. I did not! But if I lived there, I would be definitely tempted. Something about trying to protect and own unspoiled beauty.
-Be aware of the prices. High class pros at Gia start at 3000 or 3500 UAH, and half of that to the house. Normal girls in regular jobs make as little as 6000 UAH per month. Surely one week's wages is reasonable pay for one hour of work. Excellent sex for gloriously beautiful girls under 25 years old is possible for 1000-2000 UAH.
-So, I completely disagree with the main naysayer here. It seems like if they were back home (wherever that is), they would only have sex with $2000/ per hour pros. Maybe that is what millionaires and corrupt politicians pay, but not what regular men pay. Yes, that is essentially what they are saying: 2580 UAH ($100 USD) is about half of a month's wages. Even back home (wherever that is), imagine how quickly the price for high-class pros would go down if the market would be flooded by ALL women over 18 years old.
-I believe that, other than the attitude and the price, there is not much difference between a high-priced pro and a sweet university student or young single mother. In Kiev, the high-priced pro and the 1500 UAH student or young single mum are sometimes the same person, at different times and circumstances. To compensate for the elegant minidress, the designer high heels, nails, make-up, taxis, and cover charge, and because they know they can get more from desperate foreigners late at night at the Caribbean, they triple or even quadruple the normal price.
-Venues where foreigners are less common are better. That is true not only for nightclubs and bars, but also for cities. For example, in all the years I have been coming to Kiev, I have had sex with girls who were seeking marriage only twice. It also happened twice in Dnipro, but just in 4 days.
-If you are the outgoing, chatty type, you could really kill in Kiev. I am not, but I do force myself when I am there. Why? Because the girls are better, they will not sue you for sexual harassment, and they actually appreciate the attention of men.
-It is not only the I am cheap, but there are other reasons to make sure you do not overpay. The girls will respect you more if they do not think you are a stupid foreigner. The girls will come back for more. The fact that they need to return means that the sex will be better. I dealt with this in a previous report, so I will not repeat myself.
-People who are willing to pay $200 USD per hour should definitely just stay home. Actually, the same goes for those willing to pay $100 USD per hour. $100 CAD, AUD or NZD? That is okay as an upper limit. Actually, people who think and allow negotiations in terms of foreign currencies should just stay home. This is Ukraine; the currency is UAH, and 6000 UAH is a basic salary for a month.
Thank you sir. Kind of you to take note and reply. You are a good man.
It is true that there were frequent good reports about Gia in 2016. I had High hopes. As I mentioned before, of the 20 plus girls me and my friends had, the Gia girl was the only one we sent back! It is either extreme photoshop or a bait and switch. It does not matter. Gia is tempting so if you use, make sure you tell the madam that you will send the girl back if she is not as beautiful like in the photos. I put it that way because there are reports of Gia clearly sending who is not in the photos but still pretty. So most guys would keep them. A beauty is a beauty.I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.
But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.
But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.
Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.
All in all, they are not entirely trustable.
I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.
But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.
But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.
Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.
All in all, they are not entirely trustable.Never used them, phoned them back in 2009 just out of curiosity and the woman who was answering the phone really needed a crash course in customer relations, put me off. The old FSU & Communist type of handling a simple inquiry from a potential customer as they knew no matter what they were secure in their jobs.
Now it sounds she's still there or another woman with the same unpleasant phone manner.
She must be either one of the owners or well connected to them.
Jonathan Pine
08-09-17, 15:14
It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.
Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.
By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.
I think GIA is fairly honest. Yes, the photos are photoshopped, but these days, people do that even for their Christmas photos. A benefit is that all their services are clearly outlined, so there are no surprises. Compared to what some guys are paying here, the prices are not so bad, but they have gone up. I just checked and they now start at 4000 UAH. However, remember that 50% goes to the house. Half as much ought to be plenty for an independent university student, or a young single secretary or cashier girl.
The site states explicitly not to ask for the girl's number, but they cannot regulate what you do in the privacy of your own place. I have used GIA in the past and if everything went well and they enjoyed the experience, the girls were amenable to sharing their phone number and then meeting privately for nearly a 50% discount. It was not quite 50%, however, more like a 50% + 300 to 500 UAH.
I also have some memorable experiences with Gia girls over years. The problem is of course the high cost.
But I was not aware that Gia practiced bait and switch. Never happened to me. I thought they thrived on the trust customers place in them.
But I do believe they photoshop girls, even though they insist that they don't.
Also, when I send them some nasty reviews on girls, they don't post them.
All in all, they are not entirely trustable.
I just added a short comment on GIA, but it is not up yet. I just wanted to add a correction. They start at 3000 UAH.
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/dominika3
And at least a couple at 3500 UAH.
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/kristina8
http://gia-escort.com/ru/girl/aleksa1
Is sex with the 6000 UAH girls really twice as good?
And again, remember, about half goes to the house.
Never used them, phoned them back in 2009 just out of curiosity and the woman who was answering the phone really needed a crash course in customer relations, put me off. The old FSU & Communist type of handling a simple inquiry from a potential customer as they knew no matter what they were secure in their jobs.
Now it sounds she's still there or another woman with the same unpleasant phone manner.
She must be either one of the owners or well connected to them.
Saludos Stevie69. Thank you for the excellent report. Great job and good for you! When I am on the computer, I will post it on reports of distinction.
LuisVega11
08-10-17, 12:04
It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.
Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.
By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.They are prostitute. They have nothing to do with semipro or sponsored girl who you can't obtain or meet if your daytime or street game is completely zero like the OP said.
This will speak volume about the rest of post I read. The lack of any photos to show facts to all those " beautiful I read " is another topic we could start.
LuisVega11
08-10-17, 12:07
It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.
Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.
By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.Good quality girl don't sleep with everybody. Prostitute do. The fact that somebody to boost his ego try to consider them semipro, because they do this once a week. And how did he know that? They told him and he believed them). 1500 for one hour with normal service is 50 dollar. So 2 hours 100. He's already overpaying for mediocre to normal girl, because if I not see any evidence they are beautiful I suspect they are not.
I returned from Kiev yesterday and here is my brief review about 6 days stay in Kiev. As soon as I arrived contacted my old contacts, 6 out of 8 were out of country (4 of them in Europe 2 in Turkey). I made a decision to take an advantage of this and meet new girls. After browsing a couple hours in mamba met with a 22 years old spinner. Paid 150 $ for 4 hours (dinner and sex). Next day met with 2 girls from tinder, since we didn't click just had lunch with them. For a dinner went to White terrace kelembet with my old friend from Amsterdam and we met group of 3 girls there, got their phone numbers and instagram accounts. One of them invited us to go City Beach club next day. Spent all day in City beach club, met another 21 year old girl there and had sex with her in changing room for 100 $. For dinner we went to Avalon and met group of guys from Sweden since they were fun we decided to go CHi next day all together, called and made table reservation (7000 uah minimum spend requirement for a table for 6). Chi was super fun and had blast there but discovered that less working girls than my previous visits. Managed to take one tall blonde home with me at 3 am, she was asking 300 $ first but after agreed for 200 $. She stayed all night with me and we had breakfast together. Saturday night went to Dali Park, almost every other girl in this club is semi pro but older age group (25 and up). Took super skinny redhead home for 200 spent 3 hours with her and since was super tired and wanted to sleep sent her home at 5 am. Spent all Sunday in Olmeca with a girl from White Terrace and got BJ from her in bungalow.
During my 6 days in Kiev I discovered that not many good quality girls in mamba as used to be. Girl I met in White Terrace told me that most of her friends in vacation and she was invited to travel to Europe also next week. When weather was nice beach clubs (City beach club, Olmeca) were packed with hot girls, but you need to have a great look, wingman or have a game plan to meet girls there.
I'm going back to Kiev for a work early September, if anyone would like to meet or hangout send me pm.
Sam.
Girls have told me that nearly all girls are pros, as if it was common knowledge, not all that surprising. Those of us who remember the old Rive Palace will recall how it got incredibly packed in December (before the holiday season) and July (before vacation season). The surge in numbers was because of regular girls who needed a little extra money. Everyone has a price. Oligarch daughters expect a new car. Regular girls, a little less than that.
About the numbers, the cheap pros, who have sex 5 times per day, and even the expensive pros, who have sex with anyone for 100-200 USD (the price LV pays) a few times per week, probably rack up some serious numbers. However, the semi-pros in the middle range are relative virgins.
Most of them try to develop small groups of regulars. Even 4 local regulars, each paying 500 AUH once per month, make a huge difference to a young woman's income. Foreigners are far more lucrative. In my 3 trips this year, I have dropped at least 15,000 UAH on a single girl. She has a regular job, so this was all extra cash for her. If she has 2 or 3 other regulars who go once or twice per year each, she could nearly give up her regular job.
Of course, if they keep that up for 10 years, the numbers start to add up. However, it is still less than the numbers of Manhattan party girls who hit the nightclubs bars to pick up men every weekend for 12 years (18-30) before thinking about "settling down". They just do not realize that by the time they are 30, or worse, 35, it is way too late, as they are competing with unspoiled 22-year-old girls. But I digress.
Do their partners know? A few girls are married and it seems the husband chooses not to know how the wife makes all that extra money. "Do not ask, do not tell". Most a single mothers, and they do not have anyone to be accountable to. The young ones are students, with young boyfriends who are not serious and besides, these guys cannot afford to buy them anything. In their minds, it is not even cheating. Of course, there are a few who are in love, but in general, in Eastern Europe, women are far more open to the idea of sex for money. They grow up thinking that the man is the supplier (of money and the woman is the provider (of sex).
Once I picked up a girl who claimed to like me but would only go as far as a BJ "because she had a boyfriend", but was happy to accept 200 UAH "for her taxi". A girl told me that if there an option between two guys, one for free and one for money, she would choose the latter. Another girl told me that if she likes the guy, then it is not really prostitution; the money is just the man's way of saying "thank you". Rationalization and plausible deniability are powerful tools of self-deception.
It's always with great pleasure to read your reports. Highly informative. And I completely agree with your approach.
Do not overpay. This is so important but a lot of foreign guys just don't seem to get it. We think we're being generous and kind and can easily afford it. But in their culture men need to be strong and firm otherwise girls will lose respect for the men. Just because we can afford it doesn't mean we have to.
By the way I have a question, if most girls in Kiev are semi pros and sleep with guys so easily, how many sexual partners do typical Ukrainian girls have? The number must be astronomical! And surely local guys know all about it. How do their boyfriends and husbands feel about this? Surely most of the girls you and other punters sleep with have boyfriends or husbands.
You are welcome. I try.
Saludos Stevie69. Thank you for the excellent report. Great job and good for you! When I am on the computer, I will post it on reports of distinction.
You are welcome. I try.Yes Stevie6,
Excellent report, thanks.
You are right -Yes. It's true. I know one Polish guy who fucked a girl 28 years after the second, marriage, date. In Poltava city. They met on some kind of dating site. He wrote to her that she was looking for a wife for living in Poland, the country of the European Union as it is known. She had a child of 7 years and she was divorced for two years. This is my friend and he is quite cheerful guy but I did not expect such speed from him. He invited her to visit him after the cafe, but she refused and said that maybe tomorrow or the day after tomorrow. The next day she realized what they wanted from her. At first she resisted a little for the sight, and even took his hand off her feet, but then.
She did him good BBBJ and generally fucked like a wife. Women in ukraine understand that sex is a new opportunity and it is better to give a man a lot of sex and thereby get a chance to change his life. Even if she can not get married. Well, and what did she lose? She fucked with a normal guy from no bad European country had a good sex. Especially if there is a prospect to improve their lives. Women in Ukraine a lot. So in the fight for the best men the best remedy and weapons is a lot of sex. I noticed that in this country the most successful women are those who do not think long and give a man a lot of sex. Such women in Ukraine are often more successful Than those who make a bet on a career or profession.
Jonathan Pine
08-11-17, 09:29
For money, and that most girls are or can be semi pros, why are some punters still harbor the idea of finding a wife there?
If a girl can sleep with a guy so quickly just because she thinks he can be husband material, who is to say she hasn't slept with many other guys just as quickly.
In terms of finding sex I think Ukraine is still a decent place if punters like their Slavic appearance, finding a wife I'm not so sure. Who wants to marry a girl that has fucked a truckload of guys?
I want to share my experience I am living in Kiev almost 2 years, at first I started to look for only easy sex with prostitutes. But almost every experience I had was bad, so I promised myself that I won't never try them again. So, about semi-pros, or amateur girls that would agree to have sex with money. Yes, there are some but you won't find them if you don't know russian, mostly girls that speak english with you is a prostitute or escort, how you want to call. So, how to find a girl that worth to fuck. The best option for me was when I started to search girls through instagram. It is very easy to spot which girls on instagram more likely to have sex for something (gold diggers, who has photos on expensive places, with expensive gifts no photo with any men except it is notated that he is her only friend, travel too many countries etc.), not only cash but for some gifts. You can easily find these girls. If you follow some places' photos on instagram, mostly Avalon, on summer Queen Country Club, City Beach Club, Bora Bora, any place in Arena City (sky, famous, etc.) some good restaurants like Coin, Mr. Zuma, Serebro, there are some few I will add them in another time. So just follow some girls here and ask them to go out it is very easy, if they are into that they will agree. Another option is go for tinder for regulars but it is hard to have sex without russian. Most of these places have girls that have sex for money and better looking than girls you saw on internet sites. And you get what you see. To pick uni girls I suggest you to go Coyote Ugly Club, most of them young girls and you will probably find one or two but don't go alone if you can't keep up conversation with 2-3 girls because none of them go to clubs alone.
When Mamba girls post fake photos but then send you other photos saying these are the real photos, are they really the "real" photos?
Or do agencies still send fake photos?
Well, in North America, any party girl over 25 has also fucked a small truckload of men, but for free. More importantly, they are fat!
For money, and that most girls are or can be semi pros, why are some punters still harbor the idea of finding a wife there?
If a girl can sleep with a guy so quickly just because she thinks he can be husband material, who is to say she hasn't slept with many other guys just as quickly.
In terms of finding sex I think Ukraine is still a decent place if punters like their Slavic appearance, finding a wife I'm not so sure. Who wants to marry a girl that has fucked a truckload of guys?
I want to share my experience I am living in Kiev almost 2 years, at first I started to look for only easy sex with prostitutes. But almost every experience I had was bad, so I promised myself that I won't never try them again. So, about semi-pros, or amateur girls that would agree to have sex with money. Yes, there are some but you won't find them if you don't know russian, mostly girls that speak english with you is a prostitute or escort, how you want to call. So, how to find a girl that worth to fuck. The best option for me was when I started to search girls through instagram. It is very easy to spot which girls on instagram more likely to have sex for something (gold diggers, who has photos on expensive places, with expensive gifts no photo with any men except it is notated that he is her only friend, travel too many countries etc.), not only cash but for some gifts. You can easily find these girls. If you follow some places' photos on instagram, mostly Avalon, on summer Queen Country Club, City Beach Club, Bora Bora, any place in Arena City (sky, famous, etc.) some good restaurants like Coin, Mr. Zuma, Serebro, there are some few I will add them in another time. So just follow some girls here and ask them to go out it is very easy, if they are into that they will agree. Another option is go for tinder for regulars but it is hard to have sex without russian. Most of these places have girls that have sex for money and better looking than girls you saw on internet sites. And you get what you see. To pick uni girls I suggest you to go Coyote Ugly Club, most of them young girls and you will probably find one or two but don't go alone if you can't keep up conversation with 2-3 girls because none of them go to clubs alone.You have great point here but keep in mind these girls will not be cheap. Those who post photos from high end hotels, clubs, restaurants in Kiev, from Monaco, Spain, and other countries are professional gold diggers. They don't go for quantity.
I returned from Kiev yesterday and here is my brief review about 6 days stay in Kiev. As soon as I arrived contacted my old contacts, 6 out of 8 were out of country (4 of them in Europe 2 in Turkey). I made a decision to take an advantage of this and meet new girls. After browsing a couple hours in mamba met with a 22 years old spinner. Paid 150 $ for 4 hours (dinner and sex). Next day met with 2 girls from tinder, since we didn't click just had lunch with them. For a dinner went to White terrace kelembet with my old friend from Amsterdam and we met group of 3 girls there, got their phone numbers and instagram accounts. One of them invited us to go City Beach club next day. Spent all day in City beach club, met another 21 year old girl there and had sex with her in changing room for 100 $. For dinner we went to Avalon and met group of guys from Sweden since they were fun we decided to go CHi next day all together, called and made table reservation (7000 uah minimum spend requirement for a table for 6). Chi was super fun and had blast there but discovered that less working girls than my previous visits. Managed to take one tall blonde home with me at 3 am, she was asking 300 $ first but after agreed for 200 $. She stayed all night with me and we had breakfast together. Saturday night went to Dali Park, almost every other girl in this club is semi pro but older age group (25 and up). Took super skinny redhead home for 200 spent 3 hours with her and since was super tired and wanted to sleep sent her home at 5 am..Hello Sam,
Yours is a very good report. I met a man last year who helped me to find the brothels in the area around Baseina St. He quitted whatsapp earlier this year. I am unable to contact me. Do you know anyone who can bring me to those local brothels? Thanks.
Vodka.
I have read everything that has been said about the club Rio before, and I understand everyone's opinion. However, even though it is expensive, I like the idea of looking at the product before purchasing. Besides, the unfriendly bouncers have always been nice to me, so I have no complaints.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to make it to Kiev this year yet, so I no longer feel familiar with RIO as before. I suppose that after all this time most dancers will be new to me. Besides, I heard that some new girls are taking advantage of the situation by making the man pay and then refusing to do much during the agreed date.
Therefore, I want to do as much research as possible before going back there to improve the chances of having a good experience. As such, I have two questions for any one who knows (and chooses to share the information):
1. - Do you have any name that I should definitely check out because you personally recommend the results?
2. - From the following list of names that was given to me by a friend who was there recently, what is your personal feedback, if you have any particular experience with the name?
(Lilia, Lisa, Emma, Oksana, Taya, Solomia, Jazmin, Anna).
Thank you for the information!
Hello Sam,
Yours is a very good report. I met a man last year who helped me to find the brothels in the area around Baseina St. He quitted whatsapp earlier this year. I am unable to contact me. Do you know anyone who can bring me to those local brothels? Thanks.
Vodka.Hey buddy,
Last time when I have been in brothel in Kiev 1 usd was 8 uah (before Euromaidan). I'm not fan of Ukrainian brothels, not many hot girls and shitty service. Instead of going brothel in Ukraine I go FKK clubs in Germany. If you really want to visit brothels you need a good taxi driver. Usually they know where are the brothels. You can approach those who stand in Central areas such as Khreshatik or Arena. But be careful, don't get robbed.
Since I got a lot of messages and questions after my last post I decided to write more detailed one.
City beach club is the only beach club I know where you can actually meet girls, but you need to approach them first, buy them drinks, talk with them. Other clubs such as Olmeca are in suburbs and when I was there I only saw couples and families there. Keep in mind these places are seasonal.
Same thing with Chi, Avalon, Dali Park and etc nobody ever approached me first in these clubs. You need to be very sociable and spend some money, at least buy a drink and chat then you will figure out what she is after. I personally like being honest and straightforward. Its better to go these places with a group or with a wingman. Last time when I was Chi I noticed that there were less working girls, I was thinking maybe because of summer they're in vacation but one of my old friends told me that in order to keep their upscale club reputation club management cracking down on working girls. I personally don't believe this since people doing far worst things in CHI than paying girls for their services.
I don't visit brothels and places like RIo. I think these places are tourist traps. Instead of spending 300 $ in Rio and get crappy service I will visit german fkks and get far better service.
In general I don't think Ukraine is the best place for mongering. Russia is way better place for mongering than Ukraine. Yes Russia is more expensive and girls charge more money there, but at least they provide far better service, they don't try to fool you and they're more honest and straightforward. I wish I didn't need a visa to travel to Russia and relationship between US and Russia was less complicated.
Let me know if you will have more questions.
P.S. I'm 33 years old, skinny, average guy and I live in Chicago. My only advantage is I speak Russian fluently.
Cristopher
08-16-17, 09:13
Hi,
What sites are good to fine gals in Kiev.
When I am in Kiev where can I fine gals.
What hotels are gals friendly.
Is the site relaxkiev any good.Hi,
I have been to Kiev a few times and I have always looked for girls at RelaxKiev. Out of the three times I've done it, only once did the girl not match the girl in the photo (though I still went ahead to bang her because she didn't look bad), but it was nice on the other occasions. It's the only *****house I can recommend to you, though I am sure that you will come across more options. Greetings!
IWantYouNot
08-17-17, 17:47
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He's efficient and trustworthy.
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I have been all around recently and had a few days in Kiev and the pretty town of Lviv.
I tried a different approach and met some ladies via.
ukrainewoman.net
Many profiles are fake but here is how you sort the preset BOT response types so you can find the real ladies.
Lets assume your profile name is JB78.
1. Put up a simple profile saying you are keen on getting married and some nice words.
2. Put your pics up as private.
3. When you get messages (you will get 100's within days), delete all the messages which say "Hey JohnB, or JohnB78" as they are BOT sorted and delete any that say they are attracted to you (they aint seen your pics yet).
4. Look for quick response messages like 'I read your profile and am interested. Not the romantic garbage the website regurgitates and contact those ladies. Wink at them, hotlist them and email them and ask to see their private pics.
Any woman from that list who asks to see your pictures is for real (in my experience).
5. Email the women you are interested in, telling them you are in Kiev and will be hanging out at a certain cafe or bar at specific bands of time etc. They will respond and you will have to pay maybe a few $ to email again, so put your contact details in each email, every time.
6. Ask for a whatsapp number and supply yours.
Go and hang at the cafe you said you would be at for specific times and you will get quite a few hits. It can be a painstaking process to start with but I spent a few days sorting out the system as per above and I met 2-3 really nice lasses this way, 5-6 trolls and $$ types but they were all quite hot. I only bonked the older one of the 3 I liked but they were all 77-85/100 types. I am contacting them all again when I return. They are just normal type ladies looking for a man, not even semi pro.
I am moving on next time when I am back next week to try some of the lasses off relaxkiev.com as suggested here. Prices seem to be about 1000+ per hour for the 1st hour for lookers so I will try and let you know. For the quality of women Ukraine is cheap vs some of the dumps I go to where they all seem to want US $100 as starter. I have tried badoo and mamba and facebook etc but meh.
LVIV is fecking awesome BTW.
Party on Wayne.
This lady on GIA is $200+.
http://gia.la/girl/sveta9
I have also seen her on other websites asking 1500 UAH, or US $100 etc.
GIA is the worst site for price to quality I have seen. Shop around and take your time before you go so you have a plan, otherwise it.
Is the old, "Off came his head and on went a pumpkin" routine.
MY $0.02 or 0.000005 BTC.
She also lists at 4000 UAH (http://gia.la/r/girl/sveta9).
Where else is she listed for 1500 UAH? It woudl be nice to havce hger for a reasonable price.
This lady on GIA is $200+.
http://gia.la/girl/sveta9
I have also seen her on other websites asking 1500 UAH, or US $100 etc.
GIA is the worst site for price to quality I have seen. Shop around and take your time before you go so you have a plan, otherwise it.
Is the old, "Off came his head and on went a pumpkin" routine.
MY $0.02 or 0.000005 BTC.
SalbatorXXX
08-19-17, 23:25
Hi guys,
It's been a while since I went to Rio or any strip club in Kiev so I don't know if things have changed.
Are the super hot girls still dancing at Rio or have they gone to another club?
One question I have in mind is: Is it possible to go there late (like 4 am) and take a girl home?
I know it's 250 E for 3 hours but do they accept that the girl finishes after the club closing hour?
The idea is to hit the clubs first and if not lucky, take a pro home.
If Rio is not the top choice, which strip club would you recommend (from which you can take the girls home obviously)?
Thanks!
She also lists at 4000 UAH (http://gia.la/r/girl/sveta9).
Where else is she listed for 1500 UAH? It woudl be nice to havce hger for a reasonable price.Vozrast means age. 41. Great idea to come to Kiev to fuck a 41 years old woman.
What a great deal!
Maybe they have some girls older for a cheaper price.
She also lists at 4000 UAH (http://gia.la/r/girl/sveta9).
Where else is she listed for 1500 UAH? It woudl be nice to havce hger for a reasonable price.I will look and see if I can find the site, but I am sure I saw her for 1000 UAH on one site. (nothing wrong with 41 yr old whoever asked).
I have been all around recently and had a few days in Kiev and the pretty town of Lviv.
I tried a different approach and met some ladies via.
ukrainewoman.net.Either you have a lot of money to just blow into the air, or you are not very experienced with dating sites. I had a look at ukrainewomen.net, and it quickly becomes clear they are working with the same basic ideas that also drive eg infamous Anastasia dating site. Credits per message and such stuff. Ridiculously expensive, and you have no control whatsoever about efficiency because until you have figured out who is not fake you will already have spent a few hundred dollars.
Vozrast means age. 41. Great idea to come to Kiev to fuck a 41 years old woman.
What a great deal!
Maybe they have some girls older for a cheaper price.You can tell who's not a real Kiev monger when they miss a detail like age. Their's a lot wrong with traveling to Ukraine to meet a 41 year old prostitute.
I think that guy was being sarcastic.
However, variety is the spice of life, and 40 old women just do not look like that elsewhere.
You can tell who's not a real Kiev monger when they miss a detail like age. Their's a lot wrong with traveling to Ukraine to meet a 41 year old prostitute.
Dear all comrades,
I will travel in Kiev for business for a week in mid September.
Any thoughts or experience of location of apartment for all my fantasies I have now?
Thank you.
Vozrast means age. 41. Great idea to come to Kiev to fuck a 41 years old woman.
What a great deal!
Maybe they have some girls older for a cheaper price.IMHO it shouldn't be a problem to get laid with 40 year old MILFS for 3 local beers of 30 uah each (100 uah) plus some food (max200 uah) plus some romantic words and a rose (100 uah) in the park during a walk and some taxi money (100 uah).
So 500 uah must be sufficient.
Dang. I made a mistake again. After spending couple of hundred dollars on very well wrapped pretty websites, I learned a lesson and here is mine to share with you guys.
Dear comrades here, do not spend any dime - 1st advice. Never. You get tempted but hold your blueball and save that cash for action.
Here you go.
If you google the best dating website for ukraine. It usually pops up with number 1 below.
1. victoriahearts.com - the most ridiculously expensive dating website ever. In order to look at movie clip, basically you should pay $10 per clip. Chatting. $2. 5 per minute. All the photos are jaw dropping but they are very articulated, I. E. Photoshopped. Some photo has see cup, the other photo has A cup. Most women here are ovulating to start a family. If you have deep pile of cash to meet a girl to start a family, then do it. If you want to get an email address, you should pay $200. WTF is this?
2. GlobalLadies.com - after spending at least a few hundred dollars, I decided to look for other alternatives. Here you go. This one also has similar structure such as credit / dollar system. Cheaper, however, the good thing about this website is, it is free to watch the movie clips. I saw same profile girl's movie free (from victoriahearts.com, where I paid $30 something) on this website. It is interesting to see their photo quality is poor and most of time, girls on movie look better. It is not porn quality and good enough to keep your fantasy on.
3. ukrainedate.com - it is regarded as a popular dating website for foreigners only. Girls here are not frequent and kind of outdated. Frequently system goes down. Not recommended.
4. mamba. Ru. Well, this is the most popular dating website through out the world. You can try and it's graphic interface is nice. Most girls have mamba account.
5. http://love.ua - by far, this is the best. It is local and feel that it's constantly updated and up to date. You can look for specifically sex purpose as well. Photos are up to persons but when you start chatting, girls become open.
Following list is from olga reznikova (ukrainian youtube star).
Published on Oct 8, 2015.
http://love.ua/
http://love.i.ua/
http://www.12.com.ua/
http://date.kiev-online.net.ua/
http://www.livedatesearch.com/ru/main
http://12dz.com/
http://love.tyt.in.ua/
http://love.tochka.net/
http://www.2gether.com.ua/
http://parabum.com.ua/
http://onona.ua/
http://dating24.com.ua/
http://flirt.com.ua/
http://www.destiny.com.ua/
http://skarlet.in.ua/
Russian websites:
http://www.mamba.ru/
http://loveplanet.ru/
All dating websites: http://top.bigmir.net/show/contact/0/.
I think that guy was being sarcastic.
However, variety is the spice of life, and 40 old women just do not look like that elsewhere.Yeah, why not. But why paying a Silpo salary for a 40 years old woman? Yeah at Silpo in Kiev, they get 4500 UAH a month, so with a tip, we have the same amount. As BlissDps wrote, a few beers and 500 UAH should be ok.
Some of my non-pros (19-29 years old) told me that the mafia is going to open a "BABOUCHKA Escort" in Kiev. I can ask them if you need some more info.
Dear all comrades,
I will travel in Kiev for business for a week in mid September.
Any thoughts or experience of location of apartment for all my fantasies I have now?
Thank you.Stay within one street of Kreshatik. Its central and no need for taxis. Girls can get to you easily. So Kreshatik, Pushkinska, Michaelovska, Mala Zhitmoskaya, Basiena, Shota Rustavelli are all good and central.
Yeah, why not. But why paying a Silpo salary for a 40 years old woman? Yeah at Silpo in Kiev, they get 4500 UAH a month, so with a tip, we have the same amount. As BlissDps wrote, a few beers and 500 UAH should be ok.
Some of my non-pros (19-29 years old) told me that the mafia is going to open a "BABOUCHKA Escort" in Kiev. I can ask them if you need some more info.Well, of course you'll mostly face many attempts for paying more afterwards. E. G:" His / Her father doesn't want to pay for school anymore, I don't know what to do".
So if you can't resist shit stories, you'll end up by paying even more than then the hourly rate, which actually is their aim in 99% of the cases.
Dear all comrades,
I will travel in Kiev for business for a week in mid September.
Any thoughts or experience of location of apartment for all my fantasies I have now?
Thank you.http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/
On Baseina close to K street is the best.
Here you go.
5. http://love.ua - by far, this is the best. It is local and feel that it's constantly updated and up to date. You can look for specifically sex purpose as well. Photos are up to persons but when you start chatting, girls become open.Thanks very much for your info. Can we find sex dates on love.ua? Or this is just a normal relationship site? Thanks.
SalbatorXXX
08-21-17, 23:26
Hi guys,
What is the best strip club in Kiev to take out a beautiful girl home after regular clubbing? (Around 4 am).
I am going to Kiev this weekend.
I went to Rio a long time ago so it would be great to get some update on the possibilities.
Thanks.
Yes, and that was the whole point of my comment. I do not know what Silpo is, but 4000 UAH is way too much for sex in Kiev, even for a 20 year old.
Yeah, why not. But why paying a Silpo salary for a 40 years old woman? Yeah at Silpo in Kiev, they get 4500 UAH a month, so with a tip, we have the same amount. As BlissDps wrote, a few beers and 500 UAH should be ok.
Some of my non-pros (19-29 years old) told me that the mafia is going to open a "BABOUCHKA Escort" in Kiev. I can ask them if you need some more info.
Yes, 500 UAH ought to be enough for most 40 year old women, but the one in question here, Svetlana from Gia, looks a little better than most 40 year old milfs, even 40 year old milfs in Ukraine. Maybe she looks completely different in person, but if not, I would probably agree to about 1000 UAH. So, where are those other ads?
As an aside, one benefit of GIA is that you actually get the girl in the photos and the service in the description. Other sites might be using their photos, but might send you a different girl. This might occur for 20 years old girls too, of course.
IMHO it shouldn't be a problem to get laid with 40 year old MILFS for 3 local beers of 30 uah each (100 uah) plus some food (max200 uah) plus some romantic words and a rose (100 uah) in the park during a walk and some taxi money (100 uah).
So 500 uah must be sufficient.
Yes, and that was the whole point of my comment. I do not know what Silpo is, but 4000 UAH is way too much for sex in Kiev, even for a 20 year old.About that point I totally agree with you)).
Yes, 500 UAH ought to be enough for most 40 year old women, but the one in question here, Svetlana from Gia, looks a little better than most 40 year old milfs, even 40 year old milfs in Ukraine. Maybe she looks completely different in person, but if not, I would probably agree to about 1000 UAH. So, where are those other ads?
As an aside, one benefit of GIA is that you actually get the girl in the photos and the service in the description. Other sites might be using their photos, but might send you a different girl. This might occur for 20 years old girls too, of course.If her racks would be more natural I'd even go up to 1500 uah.
Hello,
I have visited a lot of strip clubs in Kiev.
I have not used the take away service from any of them because I find better price other places.
But Dolls and Harem (in Arena) have same price about as Rio.
Harem is by far my favorite strip club in Kiev at the moment. Dolls may have more nice girls but the Harem club is better.
Hi guys,
What is the best strip club in Kiev to take out a beautiful girl home after regular clubbing? (Around 4 am).
I am going to Kiev this weekend.
I went to Rio a long time ago so it would be great to get some update on the possibilities.
Thanks.
SalbatorXXX
08-24-17, 15:26
Thanks a lot for your input!
I know there is better price but do you know any place where you can look at the girl at 4 am after clubbing?
I've called sites like Relax but the girl never looks like the one you order.
If Dolls has more beautiful girls, why do you prefer Harem?
Hello,
I have visited a lot of strip clubs in Kiev.
I have not used the take away service from any of them because I find better price other places.
But Dolls and Harem (in Arena) have same price about as Rio.
Harem is by far my favorite strip club in Kiev at the moment. Dolls may have more nice girls but the Harem club is better.
Hello,
Harem:
- location in Arena.
- design of the club is better. A stage, big one, in the center of the room with seats around. Look web site.
- I do not know but it look like it is same owner / management on this clubs and they send girls between clubs depending on how many clients there is visiting or so.
Harem do have nice girls.
As I told I did not take girls out from strip club in Kiev. I get sex bomb for 100 $ and nice girl more cheap. So why take same type of girl for 3 times the price?
Get numbers from Girls in Budda Bar or Carribian club more early in the evening and call them at 4 or in the morning. If they are free they might give you a better deal.
Strange but some girl not want to meet on Sunday, probably time for boyfriend or family.
Find the semipro or MILF. The best solution in Kiev. Then you could meet someone who fuck you like a real girlfriend. I never understood why the hardcore pro is interesting. Masturbatemaschines are not for me).
Ola.
Thanks a lot for your input!
I know there is better price but do you know any place where you can look at the girl at 4 am after clubbing?
I've called sites like Relax but the girl never looks like the one you order.
If Dolls has more beautiful girls, why do you prefer Harem?
Yes, 500 UAH ought to be enough for most 40 year old women, but the one in question here, Svetlana from Gia, looks a little better than most 40 year old milfs, even 40 year old milfs in Ukraine. Maybe she looks completely different in person, but if not, I would probably agree to about 1000 UAH. So, where are those other ads?
As an aside, one benefit of GIA is that you actually get the girl in the photos and the service in the description. Other sites might be using their photos, but might send you a different girl. This might occur for 20 years old girls too, of course.When I get back there I am going to give her a go and see how close to the pics she still looks and at what price she can be had (may have to pay up 1st time via one of the websites and then see what one can pay privately).
FWIW some of my best EE experiences (Budapest, Bucharest, Cluj, Berlin etc) have been with women over 40, YMMV.
Yeah, it's hard to obtain contact info via dating websites. Seems like girls are all out of Kiev. Where are they?
So, I guess I need to change my strategies to street pickup and just buy them.
What do you think about this?
http://relaxkiev.com/eng
Just go there and find dating section on upper left corner. There is "financial support" or "intimacy".
It's so easy to receive lecherous photos from these group of girls. Easier than soliciting photos from all those dating sites.
Does anybody use Caroline? See attached photos.
InterTravel224
08-27-17, 21:09
The best way to have action in Kyiv is taking your own apartment.
Since I had just one day and don't have much time to venture out, contacted the nos listed on Backpage. All the nos on backpage are of escort agency. Unfortunately they are no real gals. The mamasan or the manager will manage a no of gals. She quoted me 1500 hryvnia + 200 for Taxi. I found it a bit high, but since I did not have a choice nor the time, I went ahead and accepted.
The mamasan sent the same gal whose picture she sent me. She was a 20 year college student. Its for 1 hour fuck+BJ covered and 2 pops.
The service was good, and the gal was also quite young and had a nice body, for which I had no complaints. However her service was very mechanical and very much timmed. At 40 minutes the Mamasan keeps on calling and asks the gal to leave. I fucked her once, but second time would have liked more time, but she was in a hurry which was then a big put off. Probably going for a longer 2 hour session would also have been good.
Next time should keep more time and days, would like to ventured out to other clubs and tried to pick some other beauties as recommended by some of our members in the forum.
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.I have never used this site but looked it up a few times. This sounds like a portal for ads. The site offers no guarantees or assurances of accuracy of photos. I am very curious how this turns out for you. Please post or PM.
The best way to have action in Kyiv is taking your own apartment.
Since I had just one day and don't have much time to venture out, contacted the nos listed on Backpage. All the nos on backpage are of escort agency. Unfortunately they are no real gals. The mamasan or the manager will manage a no of gals. She quoted me 1500 hryvnia + 200 for Taxi. I found it a bit high, but since I did not have a choice nor the time, I went ahead and accepted.
The mamasan sent the same gal whose picture she sent me. She was a 20 year college student. Its for 1 hour fuck+BJ covered and 2 pops.
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Agree that apartment is the way to go in Kiev.
You did not say who you called. There are many on the backpage.
Yeah, it's hard to obtain contact info via dating websites. Seems like girls are all out of Kiev. Where are they?
So, I guess I need to change my strategies to street pickup and just buy them.
What do you think about this?
http://relaxkiev.com/engIn summer students go back to their towns they come from or some of those who can afford, head to beaches. The girls will be back when the universities start regular schedules.
Hey,
Getting excited as time comes near.
Can anybody share the experience. 1 hour vs. All night?
Do my comrades test out 1 hour first and if clicks, do all night?
I am a GFE type and want to have a real romance type wild sex.
Looking forward to hearing from your stories.
I have never used this site but looked it up a few times. This sounds like a portal for ads. The site offers no guarantees or assurances of accuracy of photos. I am very curious how this turns out for you. Please post or PM.I am cross checking vs escorts in Kiev and every website I can find. There are a few real ones in amongst the 100/100 fake profiles. Seems every dating and other website in Kiev is fake (95% or more profiles) and the ones like the Aussie owned ukrainedate are full of woofers (95% of profiles).
I am in Thailand for a bit and will be in Ukraine soon.
TexasMorrell
08-29-17, 17:41
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.Those are not her photos. Her price and the photos do not match. I think you will be very disappointed. Just speaking from experience. Meet her in a cafe first after she sends you a real time selfie.
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.TexasMorell is absolutely right, the probability that you get the girl of the photo are less than 1 per cent.
Furthermore don't forget, that's just classic sex and BJ, no BBBJ and no Cunilingus. She will ask an extra for that, I think 500 UAH for BBBJ, it could be more. She could also, like many pros do, just covered. Most of them don't do BBBJ in Ukraine. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE PROS, NOT THE NON-PROS.
Be aware also that you won't have the girl on the line, you will talk with a telefonist working for the mafia, that might promise you everything and then when the girl is at your place, she doesn't agree for cunilingus for exemple. It happened to me one month ago. When the girl was in my flat, no Cunilingus included in the price and she didn't even agree to get one with an extra amount. So I just opened the door and she left. Anyways let us know how it goes.
Those are not her photos. Her price and the photos do not match. I think you will be very disappointed. Just speaking from experience. Meet her in a cafe first after she sends you a real time selfie.Probably NOT but one can always send 'them on their way or one goes to them just leave. I have done that many many times in other EE countries when they scam or bait and switch, no harm no foul.
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.Well, some of these pictures have been clearly taken in the US or Canada. That's usually the first (and a good) sign for scam.
A little more search will dig up her web page:
http://sexynatg.com/
I don't think that some Canadian gal will move to Kiew to sell out cheap.
H.
Well, some of these pictures have been clearly taken in the US or Canada. That's usually the first (and a good) sign for scam.
A little more search will dig up her web page:
http://sexynatg.com/
I don't think that some Canadian gal will move to Kiew to sell out cheap.
H.Yeah, I usually tineye the pics before I engage. Would guess 95% of pics on any of the UKR websites are fake except for the pigs on ukrainedate.
I am on the way via Bangkok.
I am going to give this a whirl, hope she is real, only 93 lbs http://relaxkiev.com/eng/prostitutka-olya-38056/.I see that her phone number has now been deleted. However if you had done a search against the number while it was still there. As I did. You would have found several other girls advertising on he same number. Which rather suggests this is a salon and not a single individual that is advertising. I would be interested to know if anybody at all has used Relax and met the actual girl pictured in the advert.
Probably NOT but one can always send 'them on their way or one goes to them just leave. I have done that many many times in other EE countries when they scam or bait and switch, no harm no foul.The harm for me is my wasted time, which is the most precious to me when I am travelling.
Hey,
Getting excited as time comes near.
Can anybody share the experience. 1 hour vs. All night?
Do my comrades test out 1 hour first and if clicks, do all night?
I am a GFE type and want to have a real romance type wild sex.
Looking forward to hearing from your stories.I think the same as you. I love TLN (Spanish acronym for all night) but it is harder in Kiev. I have settled for: party as late as you can and then send them home.
I think the same as you. I love TLN (Spanish acronym for all night) but it is harder in Kiev. I have settled for: party as late as you can and then send them home.Allow me to confirm that. My experience says that it is extremely difficult to have girls in Kiev to stay all night. For them, or the most of them, all night means maximal three hours. And even then they will try to cut short with some excuse. The reality is, that either (a) they have kid at home they want to get back to, or (b) they want to nurture relationship with another guy / client / boyfriend. You need to have a steady relationship before the are comfortable enough to stay "all night".
The harm for me is my wasted time, which is the most precious to me when I am travelling.9 of the 10 x the girl is completely different.
Sometimes I keep them because I cannot be bothered too much, as I know they will be out in max 1 HR, and I must confess how uglier the wetter they get and they mostly also will get an orgasm themselves.
Sometimes they come with small fat girls or girls with pics before they became MILF, I had them all.
ADVISE: When she says "DOOOOSHH" (shower) and she doesn't want to go together with you (which applies to 99%) take your wallet, passport and phone and valuables like watches witch you!
Yes, I was about to point that out: the spruce in the background on one of the photos is endemic to North America.
But even without that, it would be highly unlikely. The only photos I trust are clearly non-professional photos, taken at various places, including some places that I recognize in the city. Even then, the odds of getting the same girl are pretty low!
Another good sign is photos in which the face is blurred. You can ask for a real photo on whastsup.
The best tactic is just to warn them repeatedly that they will be sent away if they do not match the photos, and then have the fortitude to do so if necessary. Of course, that ends up wasting a a lot of time.
Well, some of these pictures have been clearly taken in the US or Canada. That's usually the first (and a good) sign for scam.
A little more search will dig up her web page:
http://sexynatg.com/
I don't think that some Canadian gal will move to Kiew to sell out cheap.
H.
Yes, that second point cannot be emphasized enough. You have to sanitize your apartment completely by hiding all your valuables in places that are difficult to reach and that you can monitor all the time. It is always polite to wash your privates before the girl arrives, but if the girl insist and you foolishly agree, you can always take a 15 second shower.
9 of the 10 x the girl is completely different.
Sometimes I keep them because I cannot be bothered too much, as I know they will be out in max 1 HR, and I must confess how uglier the wetter they get and they mostly also will get an orgasm themselves.
Sometimes they come with small fat girls or girls with pics before they became MILF, I had them all.
ADVISE: When she says "DOOOOSHH" (shower) and she doesn't want to go together with you (which applies to 99%) take your wallet, passport and phone and valuables like watches witch you!
Get numbers from Girls in Budda Bar or Carribian club more early in the evening and call them at 4 or in the morning or the day after. If they are free they might give you a better deal.
Find the semipro or MILF. The best solution in Kiev. Then you could meet someone who fuck you like a real girlfriend.
Hey,
Getting excited as time comes near.
Can anybody share the experience. 1 hour vs. All night?
Do my comrades test out 1 hour first and if clicks, do all night?
I am a GFE type and want to have a real romance type wild sex.
Looking forward to hearing from your stories.
Pierre1984
09-01-17, 18:06
I'll be back in Kiev from Sept 8th to 11th.
I remember finding a cute early 20 semi-pro in Shooters (GFE, DFK, BBBJ, CIM) back in 2012 when I was there for the first time.
Is Shooters still a good option to pick up semi pros? What would be the best alternatives (maybe to get more attractive girls, still semi-pros).
Get numbers from Girls in Budda Bar or Carribian club more early in the evening and call them at 4 or in the morning or the day after. If they are free they might give you a better deal.
Find the semipro or MILF. The best solution in Kiev. Then you could meet someone who fuck you like a real girlfriend.
I can only speak of RIO, but maybe I should try Harem and / or Dolls too.
At Rio you can take out at any time, even early in the evening, as long as the girl agrees. You must ask the girl directly.
However, my experience is that the best time to ask is between 11 pm and 2 am. If you try too early, you will probably get a lot of negative answers because girls like to wait for "better" proposals. And if you try too late, say at 4 am, the girl usually does not stay more than two hours. Somehow they are like Cinderella, and they must run away after the clock reaches XX hour.
Another thing to consider, in relation to time, is that if you wait till too late most of the best girls are already gone and you are left with the ones that nobody else wants. On the other hand, waiting till late has an advantage, because you will find it easier to get a yes, especially if the girl you choose needs money or is too tired of dancing all night. Some popular girls like to go early in order to return to the club hoping to get a second offer for the night from the latecomers like you.
Thanks a lot for your input!
I know there is better price but do you know any place where you can look at the girl at 4 am after clubbing?
I've called sites like Relax but the girl never looks like the one you order.
If Dolls has more beautiful girls, why do you prefer Harem?
9 of the 10 x the girl is completely different.
Sometimes I keep them because I cannot be bothered too much, as I know they will be out in max 1 HR, and I must confess how uglier the wetter they get and they mostly also will get an orgasm themselves.
Sometimes they come with small fat girls or girls with pics before they became MILF, I had them all.
ADVISE: When she says "DOOOOSHH" (shower) and she doesn't want to go together with you (which applies to 99%) take your wallet, passport and phone and valuables like watches witch you!Trying your luck on the phone from any of the popular sites is like playing the lottery. If you are lucky, you will get someone better than you expected. But most of the time, you will be disappointed.
That is why, even though it is very expensive, I prefer to take my chances at places like RIO. That way I can choose to pay for someone I really like.
Unfortunately for me, I feel very uncomfortable going alone to more social places like Caribbean, Budha Bar, etc. In addition to being very shy, I am not the young boy that I once was. In RIO it gets easier for me because that is their job, so they cannot say no to my request to meet them, or even get a private dance with them.
Fear of putting myself out there has been a problem for me all my life. So, I do not feel that I can take advantage of the best opportunities that Kiev has to offer. But I do not complain, because so far RIO has been good for me.
P.S: I wish that someone had had some names from RIO for me to try next time I go there, probably next month.
DramaFree11
09-02-17, 00:29
Sorry, Shooters is real bad the the other bars are not much better. Night Life in Kiev is now were it was in 2012. I am afraid you will be real disappointed. Kiev has changed dramatically especially in the girl department. I guess you will find out, but I would recommend Kiev as destination for girls any more, read some of the past post. Good Luck, the city is nice and safe, but the rest is not good. You need a lot of local knowledge and street game.
I'll be back in Kiev from Sept 8th to 11th.
I remember finding a cute early 20 semi-pro in Shooters (GFE, DFK, BBBJ, CIM) back in 2012 when I was there for the first time.
Is Shooters still a good option to pick up semi pros? What would be the best alternatives (maybe to get more attractive girls, still semi-pros).
Member #4722
09-02-17, 13:59
Trying your luck on the phone from any of the popular sites is like playing the lottery. If you are lucky, you will get someone better than you expected. But most of the time, you will be disappointed.
That is why, even though it is very expensive, I prefer to take my chances at places like RIO. That way I can choose to pay for someone I really like.
Unfortunately for me, I feel very uncomfortable going alone to more social places like Caribbean, Budha Bar, etc. In addition to being very shy, I am not the young boy that I once was. In RIO it gets easier for me because that is their job, so they cannot say no to my request to meet them, or even get a private dance with them.
Fear of putting myself out there has been a problem for me all my life. So, I do not feel that I can take advantage of the best opportunities that Kiev has to offer. But I do not complain, because so far RIO has been good for me.
P.S: I wish that someone had had some names from RIO for me to try next time I go there, probably next month.Can't go wrong with Anya see my prior report. Find her early because I tried to get second session and she was always busy!
I have never used this site but looked it up a few times. This sounds like a portal for ads. The site offers no guarantees or assurances of accuracy of photos. I am very curious how this turns out for you. Please post or PM.I have used it recently, but I went to their private flats, so I could have the possibility to choose and no need to pay for the taxi if I didn't like the girl.
http://odessa.relaxportal.biz/eng/salons/581/
As you can read prices are 1000 UAH for most of the girls. There were 2 girls and they told me that the price was 1500 UAH. I told them that on relax the price was 1000 UAH, even less for some of them. They answered to me that they have another website where the price is 1500 UAH. I just left, because I didn't want to be ripped off and I only agree to pay 1500 UAH for a 9 or a 10 like I had in Kiev 3 years ago. For me both girls was more something like 7-8, great body, but size of breasts 2. One was tall, the other one maybe 170 cm. Cute face, but not top notch girls for just mechanical sex without cunilingus and BBBJ and kisses.
I had another experience with relaxportal, they asked me twice the price of a normal taxi. I just send them back paying the normal price of the taxi. The girl and the mafia driver (Because they don't use normal drivers that you call ahead) were both surprised that I cancel everything and a bit disapointed, because I was living very far from the center))))) So all that trip for nothing, the girl was ok, average, but again, I don't like to be ripped off, better to cancel everything, so they got no money. I don't like to feed the mafia. I prefer to feed normal girls, non pros, that really need money to survive or to buy expensive things.
I've been reading this thread for ten years. It seems this new generation of mongers believes that a nice pussy can be had with an app. Sorry, but not in Kiev. Get yourself out and about and play the sugar daddy part where ever possible. Even if it's lame Rio, just not silly websites with clearly fake photos.
I've been reading this thread for ten years. It seems this new generation of mongers believes that a nice pussy can be had with an app. Sorry, but not in Kiev. Get yourself out and about and play the sugar daddy part where ever possible. Even if it's lame Rio, just not silly websites with clearly fake photos.Well said.
Pierre1984
09-02-17, 19:40
That's not really great news but thanks for your feedback, I appreciate it.
I'm not especially going there for the girls so if nothing happens, that's not that bad. I just would like to avoid scams or real pros who provide low quality services.
Sorry, Shooters is real bad the the other bars are not much better. Night Life in Kiev is now were it was in 2012. I am afraid you will be real disappointed. Kiev has changed dramatically especially in the girl department. I guess you will find out, but I would recommend Kiev as destination for girls any more, read some of the past post. Good Luck, the city is nice and safe, but the rest is not good. You need a lot of local knowledge and street game.
Pierre1984
09-02-17, 19:45
I completely agree, using an app to find girls is almost a bad idea.
That said, using Tinder to meet "regular" girls (including using it prior to the trip to start discussing before traveling) can be a great idea. But from my experience in Russia, dating regular local girls, even though you can have a nice time, does not guarantee sex in the end.
Like everywhere else in the world I guess.
I've been reading this thread for ten years. It seems this new generation of mongers believes that a nice pussy can be had with an app. Sorry, but not in Kiev. Get yourself out and about and play the sugar daddy part where ever possible. Even if it's lame Rio, just not silly websites with clearly fake photos.
I've been reading this thread for ten years. It seems this new generation of mongers believes that a nice pussy can be had with an app. Sorry, but not in Kiev. Get yourself out and about and play the sugar daddy part where ever possible. Even if it's lame Rio, just not silly websites with clearly fake photos.Even if I have got my harem of favorites in different cities now, it's nice to discover other horizons and not to be nailed with only one dimension. Adventures must be choosen for 360 degrees and not limited in a closed hall))).
Pierre1984
09-02-17, 22:05
What would be your best recommendations to meet semipros?
I see you're talking about Buddha Bar but from what I recall (back in 2012), the place was filled with girls who look like pros, not semi pros.
Get numbers from Girls in Budda Bar or Carribian club more early in the evening and call them at 4 or in the morning or the day after. If they are free they might give you a better deal.
Find the semipro or MILF. The best solution in Kiev. Then you could meet someone who fuck you like a real girlfriend.
StinkyFeet
09-03-17, 00:40
Even if I have got my harem of favorites in different cities now, it's nice to discover other horizons and not to be nailed with only one dimension. Adventures must be choosen for 360 degrees and not limited in a closed hall))).Normally within China, Hong Kong, and Macau girl's that use online to advertise is because they can't compete with the girls that use the traditional punting channels. I always recommend mongerers to never use it because often times photos are fake or heavily altered.
Sorry, Shooters is real bad the the other bars are not much better. Night Life in Kiev is now were it was in 2012. I am afraid you will be real disappointed. Kiev has changed dramatically especially in the girl department. I guess you will find out, but I would recommend Kiev as destination for girls any more, read some of the past post. Good Luck, the city is nice and safe, but the rest is not good. You need a lot of local knowledge and street game.Thanks for the advice. I will be living here and Lvov for the next few months, so I am going to try the sponsorship route and see how that goes and also try and waste some time on dating sites. I have already skyped and verified a few ladies in Kiev, Odesssa and Lvov from 2 dating sites but the real stunners are mostly phony profiles. Still some 70-80/100 types will be tested on a semi-freebie basis. Assuming that is possible.
Allow me to confirm that. My experience says that it is extremely difficult to have girls in Kiev to stay all night. For them, or the most of them, all night means maximal three hours. And even then they will try to cut short with some excuse. The reality is, that either (a) they have kid at home they want to get back to, or (b) they want to nurture relationship with another guy / client / boyfriend. You need to have a steady relationship before the are comfortable enough to stay "all night".From my experience I can say that many have a boyfriend. And sex with another man for the sake of money does not mean for them a break with the boyfriend. From their Ukrainian friends, I know that many girls are fucked with their employers, for example, if it is the owner of a clothing store or firm. Because the employer is not bound by such legal restrictions as in the US or Europe, where it can lead to big problems for, sexual harassment.
So it's hard for a woman to make money in Ukraine and at the same time she does not give her pussy to anyone except her boyfriend.
If it's a secretary's job then in Ukraine it's usually a job + BJ / CIM)) . Therefore the profession of a secretary in Ukraine is always perceived with irony. People are not without reason say so-secretutka, (like word, prostitutka, (prostitute girl). Girls in Ukraine combine personal life with their boyfriend and sex for the sake of a career or money. So a beautiful girl rarely sucks only one penis. She has to suck as a rule 2 or 3 dicks in her life.
It's not Europe where women's rights are very solid.
Why would you pay for "all night"? Maybe you will get a second shot in the morning, but most likely, she will just sleep beside you and leave as soon as possible in the morning. That could be at 5:00 am, as soon as the metro starts. If you need someone to cuddle, use your pillow.
For GFE, you just have to get lucky, refuse to pay too much, be a repeat customer, and try to aim for the semi-pros.
Hey,
Getting excited as time comes near.
Can anybody share the experience. 1 hour vs. All night?
Do my comrades test out 1 hour first and if clicks, do all night?
I am a GFE type and want to have a real romance type wild sex.
Looking forward to hearing from your stories.
From my experience I can say that many have a boyfriend. And sex with another man for the sake of money does not mean for them a break with the boyfriend. From their Ukrainian friends, I know that many girls are fucked with their employers, for example, if it is the owner of a clothing store or firm. Because the employer is not bound by such legal restrictions as in the US or Europe, where it can lead to big problems for, sexual harassment.
So it's hard for a woman to make money in Ukraine and at the same time she does not give her pussy to anyone except her boyfriend..I would say 3 to 5, and not in her life, but at any given point in her life, and only until she loses her looks. And it is not only girls who have honest jobs; the mentality extends to women who do not have to work for a living. The official boyfriend / husband could even be some old, rich guy who provides the girl with a good life, but that does not stop her from getting little something on the side. They just have to be a little more discreet. Rich boyfriends will not find out because they do not waste time on tinder and mamba (Even if the photos were all real), and besides, they are also enjoying the company of many other women too.
In their culture, women grow up knowing that men will cheat, and realizing what they have to do to get ahead in life. Yes, sometimes girls fall in love, and the young man may be faithful for a while. However, as as soon as the young man grows up and becomes more successful, women will flock to him. He will eventually take advantage of his success, screw his secretary, and break the girl's little heart.
Some of my regular girls have candidly admitted to have boyfriends / husbands. They have shown me photographs of them together, and one even told me that she would use the money they earned from me to buy the boyfriend a birthday gift. I am sure it was going to be a small fraction of what she earned from me, but the point remains. One girl once removed some services from the menu, allegedly because she had a new boyfriend. Maybe these services left too much evidence; I do not know.
Whereas I do not agree with overt sexual harassment (I. E., ass grabbing in a crowded elevator- yes, we have all thought about it, and maybe did it when we were younger and had nothing to lose), I think it should be okay to tell a co-worker that she looks beautiful, to ask her out, and to have a relationship with her. In fact, women find power attractive, and it is often them who initiate sexual relations with the boss. Just ask Bill Clinton.
That is how it used to be elsewhere before the laws changed to criminalize the simple act of courtship at the workplace, and to allow women to steal half the man's stuff upon divorce: women either had to work as equals, which is hard, or had to use their god-given assets to get ahead in life, which is easy.
Hi fellow comrades,
I will stay in an apartment. But do they usually provide any security box. Or safety deposit box?
What would be a good tip to secure my cash and passport?
Thanks.
DudeNextDoor
09-05-17, 07:15
Always stay at hotels / apartments that have a safe box.
I make sure the box is big enough to fit in my laptop, ipad, phone, passport and extra cash. This way you would sleep like a baby while a paid girl is laying right next to you. Otherwise you are worried all the time.
Hi fellow comrades,
I will stay in an apartment. But do they usually provide any security box. Or safety deposit box?
What would be a good tip to secure my cash and passport?
Thanks.
Always stay at hotels / apartments that have a safe box.
I make sure the box is big enough to fit in my laptop, ipad, phone, passport and extra cash. This way you would sleep like a baby while a paid girl is laying right next to you. Otherwise you are worried all the time.I've never seen a safe in a Kiev apartment. I recommend locked luggage with a bike cable tied to the bedroom radiator. A roll of duck tape can be handy.
From my experience I can say that many have a boyfriend. And sex with another man for the sake of money does not mean for them a break with the boyfriend. From their Ukrainian friends, I know that many girls are fucked with their employers, for example, if it is the owner of a clothing store or firm. Because the employer is not bound by such legal restrictions as in the US or Europe, where it can lead to big problems for, sexual harassment.
So it's hard for a woman to make money in Ukraine and at the same time she does not give her pussy to anyone except her boyfriend.
If it's a secretary's job then in Ukraine it's usually a job + BJ / CIM)) . Therefore the profession of a secretary in Ukraine is always perceived with irony. People are not without reason say so-secretutka, (like word, prostitutka, (prostitute girl). Girls in Ukraine combine personal life with their boyfriend and sex for the sake of a career or money. So a beautiful girl rarely sucks only one penis. She has to suck as a rule 2 or 3 dicks in her life.
It's not Europe where women's rights are very solid.Very good insight into Ukrainian mentality. Thanks for sharing.
Hi all,
Last time I was in Kiev about 8 years ago (I know way too long), there was a great pro scene called River Palace. I understand it no longer exists, but can anyone recommend something similar these days? Is it solid gold or anything else people can recommend?
Thanks.
Bravo. Well said. Thank you for the nice post.
The general social philosophy described in this post could however be said about most of ex soviet block Eastern Europe? Correct?
From my experience I can say that many have a boyfriend. And sex with another man for the sake of money does not mean for them a break with the boyfriend. From their Ukrainian friends, I know that many girls are fucked with their employers, for example, if it is the owner of a clothing store or firm. Because the employer is not bound by such legal restrictions as in the US or Europe, where it can lead to big problems for, sexual harassment.
So it's hard for a woman to make money in Ukraine and at the same time she does not give her pussy to anyone except her boyfriend.
If it's a secretary's job then in Ukraine it's usually a job + BJ / CIM)) . Therefore the profession of a secretary in Ukraine is always perceived with irony. People are not without reason say so-secretutka, (like word, prostitutka, (prostitute girl). Girls in Ukraine combine personal life with their boyfriend and sex for the sake of a career or money. So a beautiful girl rarely sucks only one penis. She has to suck as a rule 2 or 3 dicks in her life.
It's not Europe where women's rights are very solid.
Always stay at hotels / apartments that have a safe box.
I make sure the box is big enough to fit in my laptop, ipad, phone, passport and extra cash. This way you would sleep like a baby while a paid girl is laying right next to you. Otherwise you are worried all the time.I agree with Riina. I have never seen a safe in an apartment in Kiev, including over $200/ night ones. Please send me info ASAP if you know of one. I am going soon.
Hi fellow comrades,
I will stay in an apartment. But do they usually provide any security box. Or safety deposit box?
What would be a good tip to secure my cash and passport?
Thanks.I leave my valuables inside locked luggage but I not throw a cable lock and secure it to another immovable object. Most apartments that I rent are located in buildings that have cameras and it is statistically highly unlikely that someone known will enter with a key and will leave with your luggage. Also, when the cleaning lady or manager or cable repair guy sees luggage on the floor he may wonder what is inside but if he sees cable anchor locked luggage he knows that there is something valuable inside. Ha ha. (joke).
BTW apartment doors in Kiev and the best I have seen anywhere in the world I have been to! They are made of solid metal. No one is kicking these suckers in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBIm_4ImkSQ&feature=youtu.be
This guys videos were fun to watch. I like how you have all these dudes sharing on forums how much they love Ukrainian culture and how they want to embrace it
Why don't they just admit they're looking for a beautiful girl not spoiled by the West.
DramaFree11
09-06-17, 18:00
Hi all,
Last time I was in Kiev about 8 years ago (I know way too long), there was a great pro scene called River Palace. I understand it no longer exists, but can anyone recommend something similar these days? Is it solid gold or anything else people can recommend?
Thanks.Nothing even close. Those were the days!
I agree with Riina. I have never seen a safe in an apartment in Kiev, including over $200/ night ones. Please send me info ASAP if you know of one. I am going soon.I hide my money and passport and spare CCs inside a hidden slit at the bottom of my toiletries bag. I just cut a slit in the inside lining on a decent sized bag and put the money in the base. In 25 years of living here, there and everywhere I have never had that spot checked by any thief yet have had 2-3 safes broken into (1 in Las Vegas, 1 in HK etc). Laptops are of course more difficult. I have made a habit in my recent travels of informing lady guests and hotel staff that I have hidden micro cameras (just in case) that are switched on when I leave the room.
Most hotel break ins are either desperate insiders or people in a hurry. Hence the toiletries bag is a good one.
I also carry my money when I am out in my socks under the tongue / lip of my shoes and keep a small amount $10-25 or so in small bills in a crappy wallet I can throw in case of a mugging.
Member #4722
09-07-17, 17:39
About the current subject of conversation, I dodged a major bullet on my last trip. My friend met an older lady on Tinder who I ended up fucking after about a 12+ hour bender of drinking. She stayed over and then we woke up late afternoon the next day and started partying hard again. She passed out on my bed while my friend and I continued to drink as we had a concert to attend that night. She would not budge by the time we were ready to leave so I hid my cash and some 420 contraband that I had painstakingly procured.
Ended up pulling an all-nighter and I have to say I was a bit worried about this girl in my apartment. I thought she was an honest girl and she would just let herself out when she woke up. We pulled an all-nighter and rolled in about 10 am And she was puffing like Bob Marley and she had found my money too. 2 K USD plus a few hundred Romanian. I was majorly pissed this girl went through my stuff she said she was bored and she was too dumb to figure out how to get out of the apartment. I really dodged a bullet there this is probably the one honest person in Ukraine and she could have easily run off with all my stuff. Real bad decision on my part in this case which was made under the influence of too much booze and smoke. Will never make that mistake again.
As far as general scammers being 6-4 240 helps as most people stay out of my way on the streets!
From my experience I can say that many have a boyfriend. And sex with another man for the sake of money does not mean for them a break with the boyfriend. From their Ukrainian friends, I know that many girls are fucked with their employers, for example, if it is the owner of a clothing store or firm. Because the employer is not bound by such legal restrictions as in the US or Europe, where it can lead to big problems for, sexual harassment.
So it's hard for a woman to make money in Ukraine and at the same time she does not give her pussy to anyone except her boyfriend.
If it's a secretary's job then in Ukraine it's usually a job + BJ / CIM)) . Therefore the profession of a secretary in Ukraine is always perceived with irony. People are not without reason say so-secretutka, (like word, prostitutka, (prostitute girl). Girls in Ukraine combine personal life with their boyfriend and sex for the sake of a career or money. So a beautiful girl rarely sucks only one penis. She has to suck as a rule 2 or 3 dicks in her life.
It's not Europe where women's rights are very solid.This comment about the accepted additional duties of secretaries got me thinking. I'll be in Kyiv in October and I want to quickly build up a nice semi-pro network, happy with 500 uah. I took a look at http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=84 and indeed over half the posts blatantly say "with additional services". Wage is 3000 uah / week. If my idea of a personal secretary is someone who'd help me find semi-pros, make me lunch and help me get a grip of the local area that could work out rather nicely.
Any thoughts?
P.S. It'll be my first time in Kyiv, if anyone wants to share contacts for their local network that would be much appreciated.
DramaFree11
09-08-17, 22:31
This comment about the accepted additional duties of secretaries got me thinking. I'll be in Kyiv in October and I want to quickly build up a nice semi-pro network, happy with 500 uah. I took a look at http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=84 and indeed over half the posts blatantly say "with additional services". Wage is 3000 uah / week. If my idea of a personal secretary is someone who'd help me find semi-pros, make me lunch and help me get a grip of the local area that could work out rather nicely.
Any thoughts?
P.S. It'll be my first time in Kyiv, if anyone wants to share contacts for their local network that would be much appreciated.Sorry, I think you will be real disappointed. Kiev is just not that easy and if you think you are going to get girls for 500 Uah you are dreaming.
Most people get caught up in the average salary in Kiev. Most cases it is just not true, especially the girls that dealing with Foreign Guys. Many of these girls that claim to make they have no money and traveling all over the world.
I agree Kiev is difficult to make decent living, but if you are clever and willing to work hard there a lot's of opportunities.
MagicSheep74
09-09-17, 00:20
Sorry, I think you will be real disappointed. Kiev is just not that easy and if you think you are going to get girls for 500 Uah you are dreaming.
Most people get caught up in the average salary in Kiev. Most cases it is just not true, especially the girls that dealing with Foreign Guys. Many of these girls that claim to make they have no money and traveling all over the world.
I agree Kiev is difficult to make decent living, but if you are clever and willing to work hard there a lot's of opportunities.Men just stay clear from Ukraine full stop. Its over, You are chasing very high standard women, that had found new pastures through social media. Instagram / travelgirls, local wealthy men. You will find 6's and pay a lot, but you can find 7 and 8's are pay less in Multiple other European Destinations The nightclubs are terrible in Kiev and Rio is robbery, move on and go were the real action is, FKK, Spain, Prague, Asia, South American, Panana, Thailand. Don't give your hard earned money to the people that don't want or deserve it.
What a great idea. That is $120/ week. I would totally do it if I lived in Kiev.
This comment about the accepted additional duties of secretaries got me thinking. I'll be in Kyiv in October and I want to quickly build up a nice semi-pro network, happy with 500 uah. I took a look at http://kiev.ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=84 and indeed over half the posts blatantly say "with additional services". Wage is 3000 uah / week. If my idea of a personal secretary is someone who'd help me find semi-pros, make me lunch and help me get a grip of the local area that could work out rather nicely.
Any thoughts?
P.S. It'll be my first time in Kyiv, if anyone wants to share contacts for their local network that would be much appreciated.
Dear comrades,
What is the best smart phone option in Kiev? I think I need to get a smartphone for translating, finding location and etc.
I plan not to use my iphone because once I got all my official life mixed up with this world.
Any recommendation?
Men just stay clear from Ukraine full stop. Its over, You are chasing very high standard women, that had found new pastures through social media. Instagram / travelgirls, local wealthy men. You will find 6's and pay a lot, but you can find 7 and 8's are pay less in Multiple other European Destinations The nightclubs are terrible in Kiev and Rio is robbery, move on and go were the real action is, FKK, Spain, Prague, Asia, South American, Panana, Thailand. Don't give your hard earned money to the people that don't want or deserve it.Kiev's a different experience then what's to be had in the places you mentioned. Their's a learning curve and having some game helps. I think this thread has done a good job relaying that message.
Pierre1984
09-10-17, 04:10
I spent a night in Kiev, moving from a club to another.
These are the main takeaways (I keep it short for everyone's sake):
- Hangover: a restaurant / bar with a terrace open until in the morning. Lot of 7/8/9 and some of the girls are really approachable. No face control (but don't arrive between 11.30 and 1.30, it will be super crowded at the door), cheap drinks and no entry fee. A great place if you'd like to practice your night game with "real" girls.
- CHI by Decadence House: one of the biggest nightclub in Kiev (250 to go in), a lot of 7/8/9 as well but much more difficult to talk to them (most of the girls are around their tables and don't move much).
- Closer: a pure underground techno spot, inspired by what's happening in Berlin. Only a few girls but really easy starting to talk to her. Not sure of what you can do here (but at least you need to enjoy this kind of clubbing atmosphere, otherwise it would be pointless).
- Rio: I had to go at some point, as it's only 50 meters away from my hotel. You pay 400 to get in, drinks prices are reasonable (120 for a beer, slightly less than 4€).
A lot of beautiful girls dancing, a private dance is 500 and is not too short, staff is very professional, you don't have any pressure at all. If you get an extra dance with the same girl, it's much easier to make out.
They all ask for $300 USD to come to your hotel / apartment. The three girls I asked refused BBBJ. I took the number of my favorite huge-boobies girl and proposed her to meet me at my hotel for 1 hour tomorrow before she starts working at the club. I'm waiting for her answer. If there's a follow up, I'll let you know.
I am planning to visit Kiev next month, I am into plump mature lady, I know that The nightlife in Kiev is fucking fantastic and nightclubs the best place to hook up freelancers.
I wonder if there is nightclubs or strip club employs strippers older than the norm (aged about 40 to 50), for those looking for a more mature experience.
Dear comrades,
What is the best smart phone option in Kiev? I think I need to get a smartphone for translating, finding location and etc.
I plan not to use my iphone because once I got all my official life mixed up with this world.
Any recommendation?I always go on Kreshatik Kyivstar shop near Maidan Square. Helpfull staff will suggest best options for traffic and will set up your phone. Cheap prices.
You need a smartphone, obviously. But I think you can buy a cheap android phone in your country.
Pierre1984
09-11-17, 00:17
After my quite frustrating first night in Kiev, I texted a number of a girl I found on Backpage around 6-7 am this morning.
I was certainly too naive as I thought it would be an independent girl. Actually when she came up earlier tonight (10 pm), I realized she was not exactly what we expected, slightly different from the pictures.
That said, she was quite cute, very nice and friendly. We made out quite quickly with a nice GFE / DFK / BBBJ experience.
I have to say she told me that she really liked me after we had a couple of drinks and cigarettes. The weird part is that her "agent' (taking 50% of her revenue) was calling all the time. Two times at the beginning to make sure that she was OK and she get the money. And then she called again while I was in middle of DATY. Quite disturbing as I had to ask for 30 more minutes, but that's OK. I gave the girl an orgasm afterwards.
But even after two hours of wonderful time, the girl wouldn't give her personal number, telling me her "agent" would know.
Money wise, I paid $150 USD for the two hours (the breakdown is $70 USD for the first hour, $30 USD for the next half hour, $30 USD for BBBJ and $20 for DFK (which I could have get for free). ANd we actually spend more than 2 hours together. Once again I need to insist on the fact that she "really liked med", and she told that to "her boss."
I will be in Kiev from September 20th. For about 2 weeks.
Can somebody recommend me good erotic massage places?
What do you think about having a short trip to Odessa to cook up my pale skin?
Thank you, your writings and advice is great to understand the scenes down there.
DramaFree11
09-11-17, 00:37
I spent a night in Kiev, moving from a club to another.
These are the main takeaways (I keep it short for everyone's sake):
- Hangover: a restaurant / bar with a terrace open until in the morning. Lot of 7/8/9 and some of the girls are really approachable. No face control (but don't arrive between 11.30 and 1.30, it will be super crowded at the door), cheap drinks and no entry fee. A great place if you'd like to practice your night game with "real" girls.
- CHI by Decadence House: one of the biggest nightclub in Kiev (250 to go in), a lot of 7/8/9 as well but much more difficult to talk to them (most of the girls are around their tables and don't move much).
- Closer: a pure underground techno spot, inspired by what's happening in Berlin. Only a few girls but really easy starting to talk to her. Not sure of what you can do here (but at least you need to enjoy this kind of clubbing atmosphere, otherwise it would be pointless).
- Rio: I had to go at some point, as it's only 50 meters away from my hotel. You pay 400 to get in, drinks prices are reasonable (120 for a beer, slightly less than 4)..Good Report, but I real doubt there were 8 and 9's running around night clubs. Maybe some 7. You have to be careful, people believe this reports and purchase expensive airline tickets. They will be real disappointed with the Nightlife in Kiev, it is terrible with the exception of Friday nights. Friday's still can be good, but the rest of the nights are poor. Ratio of guys to girls can be as bad as 5-1 or worse. Sorry.
DramaFree11
09-11-17, 00:49
Men just stay clear from Ukraine full stop. Its over, You are chasing very high standard women, that had found new pastures through social media. Instagram / travelgirls, local wealthy men. You will find 6's and pay a lot, but you can find 7 and 8's are pay less in Multiple other European Destinations The nightclubs are terrible in Kiev and Rio is robbery, move on and go were the real action is, FKK, Spain, Prague, Asia, South American, Panana, Thailand. Don't give your hard earned money to the people that don't want or deserve it.Agree with your post 100%. I just do not know why guys keep going back. I guess it is the pictures they see on the internet and we all know 99.5% of those are fake.
Pierre1984
09-11-17, 18:19
Well, it's hard to say. I'm certainly exaggerating when I say 7/8/9 but there were many beautiful girls in both Hangover and CHI on Saturday night.
In terms of ratio:
- Hangover was about 60% girls / 40% guys after 11-11.30 then it was quite balanced (50/50).
- CHI was not full (the space inside + outside is quite big) and most of the people are not on the main dance-floor but around their tables. The ratio was not as good but I would 60 guys / 40 girls, so not that bad. That said, it looked virtually impossible to attract girls' attention. I'm 33 and would define myself as average-looking but my mates for that night (slightly younger than me, good-looking Nordics guys) were not more successful than I was!
All in all, I wouldn't consider the nightlife in Kiev as really exciting and worths the trip to Ukraine but I maintain that there is a higher concentration of beautiful girls in Kiev (and you notice it in some of the clubs I mentioned) than in most of the cities in the world (I travel in 15+ countries every year). Of course I am aware that their makeup / style make some these girls more attractive than they really are. That's something people should keep in mind as well.
Good Report, but I real doubt there were 8 and 9's running around night clubs. Maybe some 7. You have to be careful, people believe this reports and purchase expensive airline tickets. They will be real disappointed with the Nightlife in Kiev, it is terrible with the exception of Friday nights. Friday's still can be good, but the rest of the nights are poor. Ratio of guys to girls can be as bad as 5-1 or worse. Sorry.
Pierre1984
09-11-17, 18:34
I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.
The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).
I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury environment (own music, sofa, nice comfy bed, good drinks) is something I find enjoyable).
Finally, I think Kiev is also an attractive destinations for those (like me) who love Slave girls. MagicSheep74 is talking about multiple destinations in the world but I guess only a few of them may have a high concentration of beautiful Slave girls.
In my case, I'm definitely OK to pay more to meet a lovely blonde girl with blue / green eyes rather than an Asian girl for example!
Agree with your post 100%. I just do not know why guys keep going back. I guess it is the pictures they see on the internet and we all know 99.5% of those are fake.
Pierre1984
09-11-17, 19:24
This is the third and my last report of my Kiev trip.
After I spent two hours with the Backpage girl (see my second report amongt the previous post for more details), I thought it was still too early to not try something else for my last night in Kiev.
I chose to go back to Rio because it was Sunday night, already quite late and also because Rio was only 50 meters away from my hotel. How tempting is that?
I did two private dances after having looked at all the girls which were dancing that night (I guess I've seen all of them, can't be 100% sure about that). And finally I decided to pay the $300 USD to bring the second girl back to my hotel room as I found her especially attractive (I would rank her as a 8). She was really my type (blonde, light eyes, beautiful smile, not too tall but not petite neither, perfect body, not vulgar in any way).
It was expensive but all in all I think it was worth it. The girl was less "impressive" when she left the club without the stockings, the super high heel and wearing regular clothes. However it confirmed my first impression: she was beautiful and adorable.
And then we spent about 2.5 hours together, having multiple intercourses and nice social time. I would describe the whole experience as GFE, with a lot of kissing, cuddling, intense DATY, even though I didn't get BBBJ (she told me during the private dance). She also seemed to enjoy her time with me, having two orgasms.
So, yes, it was expensive but in my opinion it was worth it. Spending 250€ for 2.5 hours of quality / GFE time with a girl like this (she may not be a true "8" but she was definitely was one of the most beautiful girl I had in my bed) is not a decision that I would regret anytime soon!
Pierre1984
09-11-17, 19:26
This is the third and my last report of my Kiev trip.
After I spent two hours with the Backpage girl (see my second report below for more details), I thought it was still too early to not try something else for my last night in Kiev.
I chose to go back to Rio because it was Sunday night, already quite late and also because Rio was only 50 meters away from my hotel. How tempting is that?
I did two private dances after having looked at all the girls which were dancing that night (I guess I've seen all of them, can't be 100% sure about that). And finally I decided to pay the $300 USD to bring the second girl back to my hotel room as I found her especially attractive (I would rank her as a 8). She was really my type (blonde, light eyes, beautiful smile, not too tall but not petite neither, perfect body, not vulgar in any way).
It was expensive but all in all I think it was worth it. The girl was less "impressive" when she left the club without the stockings, the super high heel and wearing regular clothes. However it confirmed my first impression: she was beautiful and adorable.
And then we spent about 2.5 hours together, having multiple intercourses and nice social time. I would describe the whole experience as GFE, with a lot of kissing, cuddling, intense DATY, even though I didn't get BBBJ (she was clear about it me during the private dance). She also seemed to truly enjoy her time with me, having two orgasms.
So, yes, it was expensive but in my opinion it was worth it. Spending 250€ for 2. 5 hours of quality / GFE time with a girl like this (she may not be a true "8" but she was definitely was one of the most beautiful girl I had in my bed) is not a decision that I would regret anytime soon!
After my quite frustrating first night in Kiev, I texted a number of a girl I found on Backpage around 6-7 am this morning.
I was certainly too naive as I thought it would be an independent girl. Actually when she came up earlier tonight (10 pm), I realized she was not exactly what we expected, slightly different from the pictures.
That said, she was quite cute, very nice and friendly. We made out quite quickly with a nice GFE / DFK / BBBJ experience.
I have to say she told me that she really liked me after we had a couple of drinks and cigarettes. The weird part is that her "agent' (taking 50% of her revenue) was calling all the time. Two times at the beginning to make sure that she was OK and she get the money. And then she called again while I was in middle of DATY.
MagicSheep74
09-12-17, 03:16
I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.
The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).
I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury..Hello Pierre,
For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?
When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.
Best wishes.
I would love to explore more luxurious places to stay but because time is always limited I haven't risked the insecurity of finding somewhere that turns out to be a problem. I would really love to know where you have found on the upper end of the market. It makes so much difference to the quality of shagging to be relaxed in a nice place. I'm sure you would agree.
I just came back this afternoon for my second trip in Kiev.
The first time was in 2012 and I had certainly the most pleasant P4P experience of my life with a cute semi-pro that I met at Shooters (both inexpensive and true GFE with a lot of kissing, BBBJ, intense sex and tenderness.).
I just came back today from my second trip in Kiev (3 nights). I spent much more money than in 2012 but I also had two great experiences with two different nice girls last night, again very GFE. Compared to many other destinations I had P4P (I never did FKK or brothels in Spain for example), I think Kiev is still great to meet both beautiful and friendly girls for GFE / quality time at your hotel (This is actually something I care about. I am most of my time staying in beautiful hotel rooms / suites when I travel and meeting a girl in a luxury environment (own music, sofa, nice comfy bed, good drinks) is something I find enjoyable).
Pierre1984
09-12-17, 11:53
Hi MagicSheep,
Yes sure! Actually you can find more details about these two encounters in my previous post in this thread but here's a quick summary:
1. I met the first girl using a number found on Backpage. I was certainly too naive, thinking it was an independent girl and (of course) she was not.
She didn't really look like the pictures. However, she showed me afterwards dozens of pictures of her on her phone and I think the pictures are genuine, but the makeup / light / dress make you think she is more beautiful than she really is. All in all I would say her face was 5 and her body was between 6 and 7.
- What have been negotiated prior to her arrival: sex, BBBJ, FK for 1 hour (including extra charges for BBBJ, FK and taxi). Cost: $120 USD.
- What did really happened: she stayed for about 2 hours including quite a lot of social time (something that I enjoy). She was very friendly, speaking good English and we had a of of fun. A lot of DFK (she was actually more into it than I was! Sex, BBBJ, DATY and fingering and even COB happened. Overall it was a great GFE.
Final cost for 2 hours: $150 USD.
2. I met the second girl at Rio. A beautiful blonde girl, not a stunner but most likely a "high end Ukrainian girl next door", whatever it means, the kind of girl I could fall in love with.
What have been negotiated priori to her arrival: sex, BJ, kisses for 3 hours. Cost: $300 USD (same price that every girls at Rio are asking).
What did really happened: once in my bedroom, we started to kiss a lot (FK) and the sex was pretty intense (the girl came twice during DATY / fingering sessions). She was very friendly as well, not as fun as the first girl but she had a different temper (more shy, softer, quieter, very sensual) and was not as good to speak proper English.
The whole time was very GFE as well. The only drawback that she was kind of tired as she arrived at my room around 5 am after 1 h30. Between 6. 30 an 6. 45 am, she fell asleep in my arms before we had sex for a last time around 7.15 am, and she finally left.
Final cost for 2.5 hours: $300 USD. It's certainly not cheap but once again, in my opinion, having a 2.5 hours GFE in my hotel room (something that I value as well) with a girl that is almost perfect to me, worths the $300 USD.
One more thing regarding the nightlife. From my experience (only one Saturday night), I don't think it was too bad but it was not great neither. And more important, I don't think it's easy at all to pick up girls from the clubs I've been visiting. That said, I am not really a guy who's succeeding at this task, so I'm not sure my experience is valuable for others guys!
Finally, I agree that using Tinder could be a total waste of time. I had a couple of hundreds matches in Kiev but couldn't transform one of the match into a real encounter.
Hello Pierre,
For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?
When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.
Best wishes.
DramaFree11
09-12-17, 16:29
Hello Pierre,
For my own interest, can you tell us where you met these 2 young ladies that provided you with a great experience, and also at what cost?
When I was there I tried several of the clubs mentioned, but they were very hit and miss. The nightlife in general was very poor. I do agree that Slavic women can be very attractive, but also very tricky to strike a deal that is not outrageous in cost. Mamba's a joke, internet dating is always a scam, tinder a joke, Rio is robbery for take out. And the nightlife scene is dead 6 days a week. I wish I had a different more positive opinion on the place, but I just don't. I think the general consensus is, if you are willing to do a hell of a lot of groundwork, spend considerable amount of time there, speak a little Russian perhaps, build up contacts over years, then it might bear fruit. But in my opinion, all that work is no longer a hobby, but an obsession for the unattainable. But I have respect to those to put in so much effort all to try and capture some slavic princess.
Best wishes.Thank you, for your post and honesty. This is important information for people planning trips to Kiev. Unfortunately, this is the norm. It is still possible to have a great time in Kiev, but you have to spend a lot of time and resources to get an average to bellow average girls.
I want to write a detailed report. I am writing this as a sucure place holder.
We rented a private apartment 3 BR /2 B. Very nice off of Lesi Ukrainiaki.
Our guide met us minutes after arrival and party started.
We went to apartments, Buddha Nar, Rio and pulled girls from there.
6 sessions for 3 guys. 2 9's and 4 solids eights. Super friendly and honest. Classy and civilized bunch.Thanks for sharing your experiments. It's fun to read. Anyway I plan to have a trip in Kiev soon. Would you mind sharing info of your guide and apartments you went. Please PM me. Thanks, WW.
First day:
As I mentioned, it was three of us so I was a bit nervous that we may have to work too hard to find quality. That was not the case. It does help to be relaxed about the process.
The guide arranged a taxi on an hourly rate. That is a no brainer as the apartments are all over town and you do not want to waste time looking for taxis. Efficiency and reliability are keys to my successful mongering trip.
The apartments: Not many people write about these. I don't know if a typical tourist does not know about the good ones or because you typically need a smart guide to access them, unless you live here of course. In the past I had touts that give you cards on the street and take you to few sad looking places with depressing line up for 500 to 700 grivnas. Those are junk. Not worth the 3-5 flight of stairs you may have to take.
A good guide will call ahead and ask how many are working and we go depending on availability.
So, most apartments, you can have a session there or they come to your apartment for extra taxi money of 100 Grivna each way. If you choose two girls from the same apartment, the price for taxi is shared. A fair system. All prices are set and do not try to negotiate and look like a fool. The only thing you may be able to negotiate a bit is extras. More on extras later but for me kissing is important and for some girls, especially if they are in relationship of some sort, it is is hard for them and not about the money. With my mongering style, I focus on how much fun I had with a girl and not how low I negotiated it down. I stop it if it stops being fun. It is personal and situational.
Also, rare but different girls may have different prices in the same apartment. Don't ask why. Go with the flow.
After you pick a girl, you tell them when and where to come. They shower and get dolled up and come on time. You better give them the exact time you are going to be ready. It is not like latin America, where I always tell them 30 minutes before I need them. Haha.
Some places will ask for 500 deposit but if you go with a guide, they generally don't worry about it. You pay when you arrive. They usually come in a private car and when they do the driver collects and leaves. So that means you pay them even before they get out of the car. First time, I found that weird but since I have done it so many times, and no I know that there have never been any issues, I don't mind. If you use a guide, you can relax in the sofa when the guide pays and brings her up.
90% of apartment girls dress very elegantly. In Kiev, hookers don't look like "hookers". In many parts of the world, cheap hookers dress the part, even when they show up Bellagio. In Europe, that is rare, except in red light areas. Anyway, I digress..Thanks for sharing the report. It had a lot of useful info for guys who hasn't been visiting to the country.
I plan to visit Kiev in the winter. Would you mind sharing the girl numbers with me?
Thank you very much!
WW.
Does anyone have any advice / thoughts on how to handle having lots of girls coming and going all the time?
I'm renting airbnb while I'm in Kyiv and I'm wondering if I could end up in trouble if the neighbors see loads of girls moving through. And say mention it to the apartment owner?
I would say 3 to 5, and not in her life, but at any given point in her life, and only until she loses her looks. And it is not only girls who have honest jobs; the mentality extends to women who do not have to work for a living. The official boyfriend / husband could even be some old, rich guy who provides the girl with a good life, but that does not stop her from getting little something on the side. They just have to be a little more discreet. Rich boyfriends will not find out because they do not waste time on tinder and mamba (Even if the photos were all real), and besides, they are also enjoying the company of many other women too.
In their culture, women grow up knowing that men will cheat, and realizing what they have to do to get ahead in life. Yes, sometimes girls fall in love, and the young man may be faithful for a while. However, as as soon as the young man grows up and becomes more successful, women will flock to him. He will eventually take advantage of his success, screw his secretary, and break the girl's little heart..I agree with you my friend. Like your posts. Yes. What you and I wrote is the specificity of this not quite European society. It's an interesting mixture of Asia plus Latin America and a little western influence. That so attracts Western men to Ukraine? First of all, the absence of those artificial barriers between a man and a woman that have long been in the West. As wrote on some forum one guy from Denmark about Ukraine, it was strange to see such scenes in Ukraine. Few 53 year old not very nice and athletic guy in Denmark will dare to flirt with the beautiful 18 year old Danish girl in Denmark.
These guys in Denmark are very few, and most of the Danish young ladies with disgust will tell him went,fuck, pervert! But in Ukraine, as this guy writes on the basis of his observations, he often sees how an old disgusting foreigner can go to a cafe in a cafe to a young beautiful Ukrainian girl, either on the street or near the hotel. And the girls react to it calmly, without hysteria and disgust. As it would be in Denmark. Or a similar western country. This Dane writes that this very surprised him. With this the girls often joke. And even flirt. It does not mean that they all want to sleep with this old ugly man. . but they do not show their arrogance and especially do not turn to the policeman on street. As a victim of sexual abuse. . they can with interest maintain a conversation with this guy. Joke on different topics. Laugh. It's very surprised him. He writes that it is difficult for him to imagine and imagine it in his native Denmark.
But sometimes it affects the Western man differently. Especially if a person is new to Ukrainian realities.
I have an old friend. He is an ethnic German and lives in Germany near the Polish border. He often happens in Poland, he is like me a karate fan and kung fu. I like to be friends with him. When I first went with him to Kharkov, he was a little in a state of shock. It was in the summer and all the charms of the girls were visible. Short skirts and beautiful Ukrainian asses and so on. The brand of famous Kharkov blondes. And brown hair. I was very hard with him because he was very constrained and morally depressed. When I wanted to approach the young charming Kharkov blondes and start contact, he was terribly nervous and grabbed my hand like a mite. He is 46 years old but he is quite sexy and not fat as many guys from the West. He told me- do not they tell us, go fuck, I do not want to get into an unpleasant situation. And maybe these girls are waiting for their young guys? And so on. I even felt his heart beating and saw how sweat from his excitement stood on his forehead. When we approached the girls. I told him-Wolf, these girls can not do us anything terrible. They will not send us to prison. . the maximum of bad that we can get this refusal, no more.
But then he started to do the other extreme and show how bold and uninhibited he is and to pretend to be a tough guy from Sicily type al Pacino. But this also looked a bit ridiculous and ridiculous. Because he is not a bandit. He thought that all men in Ukraine it's alpha males and bandits and so you need to look like a gangster. We rented then apartments of two rooms in the center of Kharkov.
I saw how he suffers and decided to help him a little. I met two girls in a cafe in the center on Sumskaya street. I talked with them without Wolf. He sat sadly at a table and looked sadly at these girls. They were 20 -22 and learned how I learned at the University of Arts and Design. I suggested that they draw me and my friend and said that I will pay them well.
They laughed but realized my hint. I told them that we rent a beautiful apartment (in fact, not the most expensive, I chose it myself, I did not want to spend big money on renting).
I also told them that I and my friend always appreciate painting and are ready to help materially young talents in their implementation. After some time they said that they agreed. But they asked to visit the nightclub together and dance. We danced a little and then continued our rest and talks about painting in our apartment. But the wolf all the time could not relax and I saw that he was very nervous. The girls were young and nice. . . The Wolf of a small stature about 165 cm and I noticed that he likes a tall Tatiana. We drank a bit and I told her that this is my old friend. He has a drama. His woman died. He was very afflicted. I want to bring him back to life. I offered her a certain amount of money. She needs to return it a bit to life. And so on. She said that she understood everything and will try. I told Wolf that Tatiana also finished the massage courses and wants to give him a real professional massage. He laughed nervously. He called me aside and nervously asked me what to do. I gave him half a pill of sildenafil, Erectil, for 40 grivnas and said that he should take a shower before the massage. ,You just need to drink this pill and go to your room! I gave him two condoms. At this time Tatiana went to his room to do a massage. I was at this time fascinated and very successful Angela with a big booty and already began to touch her pussy. She was in a short skirt and thin panties. She did not resist. She understood everything well in the cafe. Then we went to the shower. We have already started actively tumbling in our bed. Angela began to actively handle the language of my dick's head. But I hear that in Wolf's room something is not as it should be. I hear that he tells Tatiana and sometimes she laughs. I'm ready to finish and they say. I knocked on the door. Volph sat on the bed. Tatyana sat next to him and massaged his shoulders near the neck. I saw that he was a little wooden. I said that I need to tell him one thing. About tickets home and so on. Otherwise I will forget and bla-bla-bla. . we went out into the kitchen and I told him to start fucking this little girl. She's not against it. Everything is fine. She told me that she likes him, but he's a bit stiff. And so on. We went out into the kitchen and I told him to start fucking this little girl. She's not against it. Everything is fine. She told me that she likes him, but he's a bit stiff. And so on bla-bla-bla. Just do not forget to dress a condom, I said.
I had already finished and we, together with Angela, had a nice conversation in bed. After a while I heard that Wolff and Tatiana had already stopped talking and it was quiet in their room. Then I realized that Tatiana decided to take the initiative in her own hands or the Wolf decided not to waste time in Ukraine. I heard that they took a shower and a few minutes later I heard the characteristic sounds. She moaned loudly and as I understood, Erectil still did not act effectively and she just wanted to excite him. Probably.
Then they again began to talk and I thought sadly - "probably it's a bad day for him today. Unfortunately,
But then I realized that Tatyana still decided to honestly work out her money, and I heard men's groans and an easy creak of the bed. As I understood it, she sucked him hard and vigorously. "Thank God, our Creator and Creator. Amen.
And when I heard loud female groans and slaps with hands on Tania's ass I realized that you can not worry about my friend. The process is irreversible.
When my sad German friend loudly finished outside the door, Oh ja! JA! Ja, Tania. Jaaaaaaa. Taniaaaa. I realized that his anguish in this country was finally rewarded. My Angela quietly laughed and said that my German friend is not so alone and shy as it seems. Under the influence of these lascivious voluptuous sounds I began to kiss the Anzela tits again and massage her clitoris and then made a little porn in the doggy position as in a beautiful German porn.
The next day I noticed that he became more confident in behavior and stopped being so nervous at the sight of young ladies. He realized that it was not Germany and relaxed. When we arrived with him for the second time in Ukraine in Sumy and Poltawa and later Charkow it was already a little different person. More confident. The more quiet. He was awakened by a predatory animal that sleeps in each of us. He was still nervous when we approached the cute creatures in short skirts and short shorts under which the juicy asses are clearly visible but there was not that great stress, he did not allocate so much sweat and did not grab my hand. He realized that this is another society and other standards of life and this society is more natural and much less feminized and impregnated with the law and restrictions for men / this is a society in which many girls already at 14-15 and sometimes even 13 years know the taste of male sperm in his tongue and love money more than their peers in rich countries.
Therefore I love Ukraine.
MagicSheep74
09-13-17, 13:52
Hi MagicSheep,
Yes sure! Actually you can find more details about these two encounters in my previous post in this thread but here's a quick summary:
1. I met the first girl using a number found on Backpage. I was certainly too naive, thinking it was an independent girl and (of course) she was not.
She didn't really look like the pictures. However, she showed me afterwards dozens of pictures of her on her phone and I think the pictures are genuine, but the makeup / light / dress make you think she is more beautiful than she really is. All in all I would say her face was 5 and her body was between 6 and 7.
- What have been negotiated prior to her arrival: sex, BBBJ, FK for 1 hour (including extra charges for BBBJ, FK and taxi). Cost: $120 USD..Thanks Pierre,
My experience last year was almost identical to yours, although I stayed 2 or 3 more days. I met 2 girls from Mamba, but they were very disappointing in real life. Would rate a 6.
Took a girl out from Shooters, would rate a 7. Seen her outside, she has slid down to a 6. Took a beautiful, tall, blond from Rio, rated her a 8, met me outside with her high heels off and normal clothes, she was a 6. Although a nice person.
After day 3, I could see were this was going. The real beauties which to be honest I did not see during my 5 day holiday, are gone, hidden from view, travelling, married, sponsored, in the beauty salon with there little dog in a handbag, in Dubai selling there soul to the devil, or were an illusion all along.
My hotel was excellent, had completely no problems with safety, and enjoyed the city more than expected.
I am personally only looking to pay money to have sex with very very good looking girls. I don't remember my experiences average girls, the 6 and 7 's, but the memory of the 9's are ingrained in my mind forever.
The very beautiful women are not available to a tourist in Kiev, so its one just a one time visit to a city that has moved on.
Hrchrister
09-13-17, 15:06
How much of the classical Ukrainian cheating do you experience with the socalled backpages nowadays? They are becoming more and more popular amoung escorts. And I see some of the backpages writes in English, and only in English. Suspicious.
Do you experience fake pictures, fake pricing, "girls" who tries to get money in advance etc.?
P. S. The money for the attention of high Tatyana Wolf I returned the next day. I told him how much I gave her, and he immediately thanked me very emotionally and gave me this amount. But most importantly, he was a little adapted to stress at the sight of pleasant girls. Ukraine is such a drug kotry pulls a person not immediately and step by step, gradually. Ukraine is such a drug that draws a person, not at once, but step by step, gradually. I realized that life in Germany, German women and strict laws, morals, unsuccessful family life and the experience of two marriages in Germany-all this bit killed the spirit in him predator, the spirit of the male. It's not his fault, it's the fault of the country called Germany and the whole of Western civilization with its "women's rights," and other nonsense.
He forgot that he is primarily an animal. He is a predator. He is a male and a hunter. And only in Ukraine he was able to regain this feeling. Tatyana it was the first girl in Ukraine that he fucked. But two days later I noticed that he likes a new atmosphere and a new air, saturated with sex. He began to communicate more at ease, more easily. It has its own style of charming not young, botany, . I noticed obvious progress. I saw that he obviously likes to be among young girls in short skirts and with bare shoulders and arms. He is very excited as before but after the first sex with a Ukrainian girl he acquired some confidence and behavior of an elegant hunter. He stopped being so ridiculous and wooden as during our arrival in Kharkov.
He realized that the visual arrogance of these girls is rather a defense mechanism against local guys. Who are sometimes very brutal in communication and can be intrusive. So the girls wear this "mask of arrogance" . But the main thing is not to be afraid of it and go ahead and take chances. He realized that beautiful girls here are much more than in Germany, and that they want to like men. When he first saw Tatiana, her arrogant face frightened him and he told me that I was probably crazy if I wanted to approach such arrogant pretentious girls.
Member #4722
09-13-17, 15:49
Does anyone have any advice / thoughts on how to handle having lots of girls coming and going all the time?
I'm renting airbnb while I'm in Kyiv and I'm wondering if I could end up in trouble if the neighbors see loads of girls moving through. And say mention it to the apartment owner?They already expect it don't even worry.
How much of the classical Ukrainian cheating do you experience with the socalled backpages nowadays? They are becoming more and more popular amoung escorts. And I see some of the backpages writes in English, and only in English. Suspicious.
Do you experience fake pictures, fake pricing, "girls" who tries to get money in advance etc.?Off your topic, but I'm surprised BP has not had more traction in the Kiev scene. It's awesome in my home town. The girls and agencies post which girls are "on" for the day and it eliminates the need for a web site.
I tried BP in Kiev. Someone here had recommended an agency. I asked for age and photos. , telling the booker very clearly I would not accept a girl over 30. I was assured she was 22. An over forty lady turns up with her husband. Their's just so many low quality prostitutes in Kiev that it's in their financial interest to just send whatever skank and hope you accept.
Pierre1984
09-13-17, 23:23
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, interesting to compare several POVs on this topic.
I fully agree on the fact that paying to have sex with stunners is one of the purpose of P4P in my opinion.
That said, I would rank the following criteria to pick up a girl by order of importance:
1. GFE / Playfulness / Friendliness.
2. "Objective" physical appearance (on a scale from 1'to 10).
3. Personal taste (I would certainly prefer a 7 blonde with blue eyes than a 9 black girl).
4. Sexual practices (BBBJ, CIM.).
5. Possibility to take the girl to my place (VS brothel experience).
6. Look / Attitude.
And of course the ability to speak English is quite important as well to enjoy social time.
One question MagicSheep: do you have a favorite destination to meet 8/9 girls? It should be interesting to know which destination you value the most considering your expectations.
Thanks Pierre,
My experience last year was almost identical to yours, although I stayed 2 or 3 more days. I met 2 girls from Mamba, but they were very disappointing in real life. Would rate a 6.
Took a girl out from Shooters, would rate a 7. Seen her outside, she has slid down to a 6. Took a beautiful, tall, blond from Rio, rated her a 8, met me outside with her high heels off and normal clothes, she was a 6. Although a nice person.
After day 3, I could see were this was going. The real beauties which to be honest I did not see during my 5 day holiday, are gone, hidden from view, travelling, married, sponsored, in the beauty salon with there little dog in a handbag, in Dubai selling there soul to the devil, or were an illusion all along..
DramaFree11
09-14-17, 00:08
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, interesting to compare several POVs on this topic.
I fully agree on the fact that paying to have sex with stunners is one of the purpose of P4P in my opinion.
That said, I would rank the following criteria to pick up a girl by order of importance:
1. GFE / Playfulness / Friendliness.
2. "Objective" physical appearance (on a scale from 1'to 10).
3. Personal taste (I would certainly prefer a 7 blonde with blue eyes than a 9 black girl).
4. Sexual practices (BBBJ, CIM.).
5. Possibility to take the girl to my place (VS brothel experience).
6. Look / Attitude.
And of course the ability to speak English is quite important as well to enjoy social time.
One question MagicSheep: do you have a favorite destination to meet 8/9 girls? It should be interesting to know which destination you value the most considering your expectations.Amazing, the number of guys that still want to go to Kiev. It is bad for High End Girls, if you read just 30% of the posts you will quickly realize this. I would probably say it is much worse in person and if most guys were honest they would tell just how much work, time, and money they put into meeting girls in Kiev. If you are realistic and you are looking for low end girls, at High End Prices, then go. Rio is $300 and that is far the best place in Kiev, but it will cost way more then $300, drinks, taxi, tips and entrance fee. For $400 you can have real Top End Girls all over Europe and Latin America. There are some decent looking girls at Rio, but it is not that great. Mostly marginal girls with few 7 mixed in, not worth $400.
I see a lot of people are mentioning backpage, but how does one access it from the US (or outside Ukraine)? Seems all browsers redirect you to your current location's backpage site. Or do you just wait till you're in Ukraine to access the local site?' Maybe it's just me, but thought I'd ask if it's a common issue. Thanks!
Thanks.
I'm OK. After gym.
Thanks.
Be nice to meet you!. Your idea so amazing.
Ciao from Lina.
Thanks for contakt me. You look very good. But if I travel.
Be happy for enjoy you but l need as gift for 2 days 1000 euro 3 days 1200 euro (in first meeting day) + all travel expensive.
I live in Vilnius. Lithuania (electronik tickets from Vilnius VNO airport).
+370XX59 xxxx.
Kiss.
http://youtu.be/VT1-sitWRtY
When you'll have time for meet me?
I paid some $69 (what a cool idea) for membership. Got a lot of attention from all females from all over the world.
To be honest, before this website, I had some a little fantasy on slavic woman. Good with husband, loyal, never giving up their children.
WTF. They all think this is a licensed business to provide pussy to get free trip to all those resorts, cities.
Well, got disgusted, I will try to use as a bait. Hey. I want to have a test fuck with you before I decide to take you to paris.
Will let you know.
Amazing, the number of guys that still want to go to Kiev. It is bad for High End Girls, if you read just 30% of the posts you will quickly realize this. I would probably say it is much worse in person and if most guys were honest they would tell just how much work, time, and money they put into meeting girls in Kiev. If you are realistic and you are looking for low end girls, at High End Prices, then go. Rio is $300 and that is far the best place in Kiev, but it will cost way more then $300, drinks, taxi, tips and entrance fee. For $400 you can have real Top End Girls all over Europe and Latin America. There are some decent looking girls at Rio, but it is not that great. Mostly marginal girls with few 7 mixed in, not worth $400.Well said. However I can not talk about Rio, I've never been there and I will never go there, because with 300 $ I can have two pretty girls in Western Europe.
When you can read on this forum that around 80 % of the girls here are available as non-pros (words told by non-pros, pros and semi-pros to one member), guys think that it is very easy here.
So they think they can get easily the phone number of the stewardess (if they fly with the Ukrainian airline), then the customer offcer, then all the waitresses that they serve them in restaurants. Of course they will also go at the entrance of the university and they will be able to pick up around 80 % of the students. Who would not come to Kiev after reading that?
If it was like that, it means that on dating websites, you will have around 80% of girls ready for sponsoring. And we are extremly far from this percentage. Hard to say exactly how much, but less than 10 % for sure.
These rumors are spread by guys that just meet most of the time non-pros, semi-pros and pros, that's just a minority of the women population here. That's why they have this feeling. They are like men, that watch so much porn, that they think nearly every girl wants to fuck with them or are ready for a blow job. If they were on a beach, they would see only the pretty girls, but not the fat ladies that passed nearby, because they would turn their head away. So then they would say that there are only pretty girls at the beach, 80% of them.
Well said. However I can not talk about Rio, I've never been there and I will never go there, because with 300 $ I can have two pretty girls in Western Europe.
When you can read on this forum that around 80 % of the girls here are available as non-pros (words told by non-pros, pros and semi-pros to one member), guys think that it is very easy here.
So they think they can get easily the phone number of the stewardess (if they fly with the Ukrainian airline), then the customer offcer, then all the waitresses that they serve them in restaurants. Of course they will also go at the entrance of the university and they will be able to pick up around 80 % of the students. Who would not come to Kiev after reading that?
If it was like that, it means that on dating websites, you will have around 80% of girls ready for sponsoring. And we are extremly far from this percentage. Hard to say exactly how much, but less than 10 % for sure.
These rumors are spread by guys that just meet most of the time non-pros, semi-pros and pros, that's just a minority of the women population here. That's why they have this feeling. They are like men, that watch so much porn, that they think nearly every girl wants to fuck with them or are ready for a blow job. If they were on a beach, they would see only the pretty girls, but not the fat ladies that passed nearby, because they would turn their head away. So then they would say that there are only pretty girls at the beach, 80% of them.Maybe you are right in some aspects. Yes. Ukrainian girls are not always easy prey as many people think. I agree. But call a European country where girls are more available for flirting and maybe sex? Poland? No. I can disappoint you. A lot of polka in the street indignantly perceive your attempts to get acquainted with them for a quick sexual adventure. And maybe even say insult in your address. And in the center of Kiev and Kharkov we see a lot of Turkish and Italian guys who cling to beautiful girls and that's ok. No, it does not make a drama out of it. No one yells, "Police! I'll tell you what now in many Western countries street flirting generally died as a phenomenon. This is a bad tone. It can even create a lot of problems for you. It can even create a lot of problems for you. You can not even imagine how Ukrainian man cheerfully behave with women. Especially if they have money.
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