Kyiv

[Jonathan Pine]

Tomek! I love reading your posts! Your insights are so valuable! Please keep on writing!

[Remo965]

Well said. However I can not talk about Rio, I've never been there and I will never go there, because with 300 $ I can have two pretty girls in Western Europe.

When you can read on this forum that around 80 % of the girls here are available as non-pros (words told by non-pros, pros and semi-pros to one member), guys think that it is very easy here.

So they think they can get easily the phone number of the stewardess (if they fly with the Ukrainian airline), then the customer offcer, then all the waitresses that they serve them in restaurants. Of course they will also go at the entrance of the university and they will be able to pick up around 80 % of the students. Who would not come to Kiev after reading that?

If it was like that, it means that on dating websites, you will have around 80% of girls ready for sponsoring. And we are extremly far from this percentage. Hard to say exactly how much, but less than 10 % for sure.

These rumors are spread by guys that just meet most of the time non-pros, semi-pros and pros, that's just a minority of the women population here. That's why they have this feeling. They are like men, that watch so much porn, that they think nearly every girl wants to fuck with them or are ready for a blow job. If they were on a beach, they would see only the pretty girls, but not the fat ladies that passed nearby, because they would turn their head away. So then they would say that there are only pretty girls at the beach, 80% of them.Yes, after years at Kyev, many travels, I approve 100%!

[Member #4722]

The same guys seem to come in here blasting the P4 P merits of Kiev. This just seems bizarre to me. If you are so against it why not just post your thoughts and move on. Are you trying to keep people away for selfish reasons? I think I agree that Kiev has gone downhill a tad since my first trip four years ago. Maybe those guys want to stop it from going down any further. I remember before my first trip I was on a local board in California and some guy mentioned Kiev in a post and I PMed him for advice. He said he owned property there and said whatever I do to not go there. He said it was nothing but a bunch of old hags, scammers and that if I wanted a good girl I would have to pay $1000's. I was already talking to some cuties on Mamba that were offering their services for less than $100 and did not believe him at all. He ended up being full of shit. My first trip was so great that I had only two girls in eight days as they were so good that I had no interest seeing anyone else and one didn't even ask for money but I slipped some in her handbag when she left and took her shopping and out to meals.

I probably did more initial legwork than many are willing to do for my trip this past summer. I have also been to Artemis German FKK and Costa Rica very recently. For one Kiev was much cheaper than either destination. I was well under my budget after two weeks in Kiev and then blew about 1200 E in three days in the FKK. The girls I met in Kiev were just as good or better than those at the FKK. And unlike the FKK where you are timed down to the minute you normally get a 2-3 hour date in Kiev and get a chance to know these girls and maybe get a little romance going. I am still in contact with a few girls I met in Kiev and none that I met in other mongering destinations. And as far as looks the stupid numbers rating is completely subjective and totally useless. A 10 to one may be a 6 to another. I know someone on this forum wrote a report on a girl I met on my last trip and called her a 9 or 10 and to me she was the least attractive of the girls I met for P4 P.

I think if you go to Kiev with overinflated expectations then maybe it will be disappointing for you. Also as far as the type of girls I am attracted to I always go for the "girl next door" look rather than the barbie doll or playboy bunny fake look. But my last trip to Kiev I probably met with a Top 3 girl of all time for me in the looks department (expensive at Rio for $300 but a girl like this would be $500-600 an hour in California). Of course the service was horrible as it normally is with the hottest girls I normally look for chemistry and performance over looks. Also had a Top 10 girl lookswise for my life and this was for less than $100. And I am no slouch I have had more than 200 girls in my personal life and probably more than that in my P4 P career and always was able to pull very attractive women.

Although there is some good info here there is also a lot of noise and misinformation and just because you have had a bad experience does not mean it is that way for everyone. And I think a lot of the old time Kiev mongers have inflated expectations. I would say for someone going to Kiev for the first time just go for it. You will never know what experience you will have until you try it yourself. Do your homework before you go. All I did was read the shit out of this forum and ask questions (I always post a report afterwards and if you just come in and ask questions and never post a report then you should be ashamed of yourself). And the most important thing is to not overpay! There are a lot of girls that are asking too much, and they have probably been spoiled by visitors that don't know any better.

[Member #4722]

As much as the numbers rating is subjective so is the meaning of "Semi pro" which seems to be the golden goose everyone here is looking for. I have heard someone here state recently that their definition of semi pro is someone that only sees one guy every three or four months. My definition is much different I think a semi pro is a girl that sees maybe one a week or a few a month and I feel like I met some ladies that fall into that category on each visit to Kiev.

Also have to give props to the guy who mentioned the club "Closer" here in a recent post. Love this place. Definitely not a place to meet girls to fuck but there are hot girls that go here (DJs spin from midnight to the next afternoon on weekends). Their guards are down it seems like it might be a place to meet a great girl as there are almost no tourists there and definitely not many sex tourists. It was also a breath of fresh air to get away from the racist and discriminating aspect of Kiev as this place seems to be the only accepting club in Kiev. I saw a gay black guy in there and he seemed to know everyone!

[JonasWRay]

Agreed, don't understand. I've mongered in almost every continent. Asia, Western / Eastern Europe, Central America, South America and up until a year ago had never even been to Ukraine. Three times and another trip planned next month. I just can't seem to get enough.

I found it quite easy to meet women naturally and when I felt like mongering I just used GIA. Never had a bad experience with them so can't speak for other avenues but I have no reason to doubt based on the experiences I've had.

Mongering may not be as cheap and plentiful as Asia or the Latin countries but I happen to have a preference for Caucasian women (particularly blonds) and when compared to the US (where I live) it is way cheaper like for like. And I say like for like because the first thing the naysayers seem to always revert to is the controversial and subjective scale. So throw out the scale business and assume that whether it's a 2 a 5 a 9 or whatever, those types are equally more expensive across the board back home.

So maybe it is that they are trying to curb the downward slide for whatever reason.

For anyone that is on the fence with going to Ukraine, just go, especially those who have a penchant for hot blondes. Of course some work is involved but it is t any different than anywhere else in the world. Some footwork is inevitable.

Believe me, if it sucked that bad I'd have no hesitation in saying so but unfortunately, it isn't.

And remember, this is the internet after all. It's real easy to hide behind a veil and spout off all sorts of claims.

Like you said, give an opinion and move on. No need to repeat over and over.


The same guys seem to come in here blasting the P4 P merits of Kiev. This just seems bizarre to me.
If you are so against it why not just post your thoughts and move on. Are you trying to keep people away for selfish reasons? I think I agree that Kiev has gone downhill a tad since my first trip four years ago. Maybe those guys want to stop it from going down any further. I remember before my first trip I was on a local board in California and some guy mentioned Kiev in a post and I PMed him for advice. He said he owned property there and said whatever I do to not go there. He said it was nothing but a bunch of old hags, scammers and that if I wanted a good girl I would have to pay $1000's. I was already talking to some cuties on Mamba that were offering their services for less than $100 and did not believe him at all. He ended up being full of shit. My first trip was so great that I had only two girls in eight days as they were so good that I had no interest seeing anyone else and one didn't even ask for money but I slipped some in her handbag when she left and took her shopping and out to meals.

[MagicSheep74]

One question MagicSheep: do you have a favorite destination to meet 8/9 girls? It should be interesting to know which destination you value the most considering your expectations.

Yes mate. You can always find a complete stunner in the places below. Blonds to.

Club Vive. Madrid.

Brix. Singapore.

Pigmalion. Madrid.

Club Aphrodisia. Zurich.

New Scandalo. Malaga.

Spasso. Bangkok.

girlsbcn.com - Barcelona.

Escort privada. Lisbon.

Cheers.

[Tomek123]

As much as the numbers rating is subjective so is the meaning of "Semi pro" which seems to be the golden goose everyone here is looking for. I have heard someone here state recently that their definition of semi pro is someone that only sees one guy every three or four months. My definition is much different I think a semi pro is a girl that sees maybe one a week or a few a month and I feel like I met some ladies that fall into that category on each visit to Kiev.

Also have to give props to the guy who mentioned the club "Closer" here in a recent post. Love this place. Definitely not a place to meet girls to fuck but there are hot girls that go here (DJs spin from midnight to the next afternoon on weekends). Their guards are down it seems like it might be a place to meet a great girl as there are almost no tourists there and definitely not many sex tourists. It was also a breath of fresh air to get away from the racist and discriminating aspect of Kiev as this place seems to be the only accepting club in Kiev. I saw a gay black guy in there and he seemed to know everyone!Good clever thoughts and conclusions. Thanks. However, I can assume that some guys here will think-no, this Rog123 is not really a real American, but a cunning enterprising Kiev pimp who just wants to lure naive western guys into Kiev. And this fake American Rog123 just advertises Kiev and sex in Kiev. But we all know that in Kiev there is no sex and can not be, and all the beautiful girls went to the Emirates and Paris! The streets are deserted and only sometimes you can see a girl of quality number 6 or 7.

And in general to all guys I want to advise for sex tourism Belgium and Norway. This is a wonderful and affordable girl as from the series,Vikings.

Oslo is much better and cheaper to mongering than Kiev, and many blondes of model quality, unlike the selfish Slavs of Kiev, are ready to fuck even for free. You can fuck almost half of beautiful women in Oslo. For free or for very little money. Cheaper than in Oslo only in Canada or the state of Washington, USA. HAHAha. I wish you all the hottest days in Oslo!

[Tomek123]

Tomek! I love reading your posts! Your insights are so valuable! Please keep on writing!I want to someday in the future write a book about my sex adventures in Ukraine. But unfortunately my English is not perfect yet haha. Thanks to brother.

[Vitrea]

I fully agree with this poster and ROG123.

Kiev is a very good mongering destination if you want quality and especially if you are into Caucasians who are more natural with no plastic surgery. I am not fixated on hair or skin color but general looks and very important to me and I do not like silicone. I just had a 5 day trip to Kiev and two days at FKK Sharks. I will take Kiev any day. I am in FKK as I write this.

I like the magic sheet list and I agree but not many destinations in the world offer the quality that comes your house and you can party in your nice apartment and almost 24/7 availability.

Like all things, quality in looks costs money. Most Ukrainian girls have class. I dig that. Performance can't be paid for and choosing the right one comes from experience and still with decades of experience you loose some and win some but you move on all of them.

Will post names and details when time permits.

Did atleast 3 nines, 1 ten and no one less than an 8 in 5 days in Kiev. That is hard to beat.


Agreed, don't understand. I've mongered in almost every continent. Asia, Western / Eastern Europe, Central America, South America and up until a year ago had never even been to Ukraine. Three times and another trip planned next month. I just can't seem to get enough.

I found it quite easy to meet women naturally and when I felt like mongering I just used GIA. Never had a bad experience with them so can't speak for other avenues but I have no reason to doubt based on the experiences I've had.

Mongering may not be as cheap and plentiful as Asia or the Latin countries but I happen to have a preference for Caucasian women (particularly blonds) and when compared to the US (where I live) it is way cheaper like for like. And I say like for like because the first thing the naysayers seem to always revert to is the controversial and subjective scale. So throw out the scale business and assume that whether it's a 2 a 5 a 9 or whatever, those types are equally more expensive across the board back home.

So maybe it is that they are trying to curb the downward slide for whatever reason.

For anyone that is on the fence with going to Ukraine, just go, especially those who have a penchant for hot blondes. Of course some work is involved but it is t any different than anywhere else in the world. Some footwork is inevitable.

Believe me, if it sucked that bad I'd have no hesitation in saying so but unfortunately, it isn't.

And remember, this is the internet after all. It's real easy to hide behind a veil and spout off all sorts of claims.

Like you said, give an opinion and move on. No need to repeat over and over.

[GDreams]

Thanks.

I'm OK. After gym.

Thanks.

Be nice to meet you!. Your idea so amazing.

Ciao from Lina.

Thanks for contakt me. You look very good. But if I travel.

Be happy for enjoy you but l need as gift for 2 days 1000 euro 3 days 1200 euro (in first meeting day) + all travel expensive.

I live in Vilnius. Lithuania (electronik tickets from Vilnius VNO airport)..Unless you expect to meet in her city before you travel avoid travel girls. The site is expensive and the girls either mental or gold diggers. Just simpler to travel to Ukraine or Russia.

[Vitrea]

LV, Uber cost is displayed before you order the car. My experience is that Uber costs half or a third of a quoted cab fare (I don't know metered fare as the cabs rarely seem to use it).


Hi,

Uber how much cost?

Mamba girl, any link to profile? Price?

[Jojosun]

Good clever thoughts and conclusions.

And in general to all guys I want to advise for sex tourism Belgium and Norway. This is a wonderful and affordable girl as from the series,Vikings.

Oslo is much better and cheaper to mongering than Kiev, and many blondes of model quality, unlike the selfish Slavs of Kiev, are ready to fuck even for free. You can fuck almost half of beautiful women in Oslo. For free or for very little money. Cheaper than in Oslo only in Canada or the state of Washington, USA. HAHAha. I wish you all the hottest days in Oslo!I think you left out few other important things about Norway and it's all very documented.

Norway is a very healthy place, making it one of the top countries to live in. Water quality in Norway is exceptional as tap water is always safe to drink. Unlike Kiev, a monger will save money as there's no need to buy bottled water. " It has some of the cleanest water on the planet"www.businessinsider.com/norway-ranked-the-best-place-to-live-on-the-planet-.

Girls are giving it away for free as they want mongers to feel happy in the happiest country in the world 2017 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/.

Five or 6 years ago the Sex destinations in the world which were much, much better than Kiev, according to some posters here, were no other than the Asian Muslim Republics of the FSU, namely Uzbekistan, Kirgizstan and Kazakhstan. I begged to differ with them at the time but that's all history by now.

Then there's the safety factor in mongering and scoring freebies. In Oslo there's (zero) chance of a monger having his balls or dick chopped off in a case of Honor Killing as a reprisal for fucking a local girl unlike Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and WhereTFStan.

My conclusion, go to Nordistan.

[Raffzahn]

I see a lot of people are mentioning backpage, but how does one access it from the US (or outside Ukraine)? Seems all browsers redirect you to your current location's backpage site. Or do you just wait till you're in Ukraine to access the local site?' Maybe it's just me, but thought I'd ask if it's a common issue. Thanks!Try going direct for http://kyiv.backpage.com/.

[Myslo]

Try going direct for http://kyiv.backpage.com/.Thanks for replying, but still doesn't work. Maybe it's just me, but strange that others aren't experiencing the same issue. I guess I'll have to improve my IT skills.

[Stevie69]

Airbnb in Ukraine is not as in North America and elsewhere. Airbnb started with people renting the apartments where they live, rented out with all their stuff there. Airbnb slowly turned into a more professional service, for apartments that were only used as rental properties. Anyway, in Ukraine, you only have the latter. Nobody would think of letting a stranger into your apartment where you normally live, with all your stuff there. Also, they assume tourists are sex tourists. If you are visiting a specific girls, just say that there will be 2 of you and pay the extra charge if any. Otherwise, it is your place. As always, just read the rules of the apartment.


Does anyone have any advice / thoughts on how to handle having lots of girls coming and going all the time?

I'm renting airbnb while I'm in Kyiv and I'm wondering if I could end up in trouble if the neighbors see loads of girls moving through. And say mention it to the apartment owner?

[Riina]

http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/

They are your best option for apartments in Kiev, unless you really know somebody. It's a bit more expensive, but worth the extra cost for the professionalism. They have an office at 19 Basseina which is nice in case something happens.

[Misterxxx]

http://www.partnerguesthouse.com/

They are your best option for apartments in Kiev, unless you really know somebody. It's a bit more expensive, but worth the extra cost for the professionalism. They have an office at 19 Basseina which is nice in case something happens.They give a discount to regular clients. 15% is standard. The beginning of the week is always cheaper. The weekend is more expensive. The office in Baseina Street is open from the morning until midnight. Every day.

[Xpartan]

Thanks for replying, but still doesn't work. Maybe it's just me, but strange that others aren't experiencing the same issue. I guess I'll have to improve my IT skills.You need to "get out" of the US. No need to travel, though, any VPN, including free ones, can help.

[Tomek123]

I think you left out few other important things about Norway and it's all very documented.

Norway is a very healthy place, making it one of the top countries to live in. Water quality in Norway is exceptional as tap water is always safe to drink. Unlike Kiev, a monger will save money as there's no need to buy bottled water. " It has some of the cleanest water on the planet"www.businessinsider.com/norway-ranked-the-best-place-to-live-on-the-planet-.

Girls are giving it away for free as they want mongers to feel happy in the happiest country in the world 2017 https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/03/..I think you guessed that it was just irony and sarcasm on my part. Two weeks ago I arranged for 400 hryvnia about BJ with a girl of 18-19 years in Sumy city. It is the north-east of Ukraine. I saw her several times in a shop where I bought soap and shampoo. She works there and we kind of talked a few times. I invited her to a cup of coffee and offered her a small gift. And said that in two days I will leave the city. She made me a blowjob on Wednesday and then I inclined her to blowjob without a condom and CIM for 600 hryvnia on Thursday. She earned for two meetings with me 1000 hryvnia. She is good girl. She realized that I do not have any connections with this city and she can not be afraid for her reputation. For good mongering the main condition is low standards of life. The country should be poor and have many problems. Then a young beautiful girl sooner or later starts thinking about how to make some money. This is a necessary condition for sex tourism.

When Ukraine will become a rich country then all these Ukrainian girls who suck our cock and swallow our European sperm they will all tell us-DO Swidania! Bye bye. Hasta la vista baby. We were very helped in a difficult time but now we no longer want to suck your dick, this happened in Poland and Hungary and Slovakia.

[Vitrea]

Airbnb in Ukraine is not as in North America and elsewhere. Airbnb started with people renting the apartments where they live, rented out with all their stuff there. Airbnb slowly turned into a more professional service, for apartments that were only used as rental properties. Anyway, in Ukraine, you only have the latter. Nobody would think of letting a stranger into your apartment where you normally live, with all your stuff there. Also, they assume tourists are sex tourists. If you are visiting a specific girls, just say that there will be 2 of you and pay the extra charge if any. Otherwise, it is your place. As always, just read the rules of the apartment.Agree. Rented with Airbnb in Kiev. Never had an issue. Just choose one bedroom per monger / one bedroom per couple.

Partner guest house and other local sites seem to have better options but Airbnb is still easy to book and highly secure if there is an issue. Not saying that others are not. I have never booked with others.

[Vitrea]

A friend and I have spent 5 wonderful days and nights in Kiev.

I did apartments, independents and Rio girls. Had a great time.

The girls in general and friendly, kissing and GFE and BBJ has not been an issue.

Apartment girls are naturally on the clock but who cares as long they deliver during that hour.

With independents, I went out to nice bars and restaurants with girls. It was a lot of fun.

The consistently hottest girls are from Rio. I know it is expensive but I make sure that they kiss, BBBJ and two sessions in 3 hours. I rent a nice apartment and have a party for three hours with a really hot girl. She leaves at 3 am.

We sleep late, hit apartments and get some independents to come over for afternoon and early evening sessions.

How can life be better? Ha ha.

BTW, I was in Sharks the day before and after Kiev. Had a good time there also but I spent a lot of money.

Like Warren buffet says, it is not the price. It is the value I look for.

[BillV90]

Vitrea,

I'm glad you had a good time, but you could have shared some more info on where and how much your damage was?

Ukranian posts are usually more on how they go to Dubai and how expensive they are even if its a poor country.

What about where you stay?

Where did you find independent girls.

How much?

Thank you.

[MagicSheep74]

A friend and I have spent 5 wonderful days and nights in Kiev.

I did apartments, independents and Rio girls. Had a great time.

The girls in general and friendly, kissing and GFE and BBJ has not been an issue.

Apartment girls are naturally on the clock but who cares as long they deliver during that hour.

With independents, I went out to nice bars and restaurants with girls. It was a lot of fun.

The consistently hottest girls are from Rio. I know it is expensive but I make sure that they kiss, BBBJ and two sessions in 3 hours. I rent a nice apartment and have a party for three hours with a really hot girl. She leaves at 3 am.

We sleep late, hit apartments and get some independents to come over for afternoon and early evening sessions.

How can life be better? Ha ha.

BTW, I was in Sharks the day before and after Kiev. Had a good time there also but I spent a lot of money.

Like Warren buffet says, it is not the price. It is the value I look for.Vitrea,

The girls are Rio are overpriced and average. Apartments dreadful.

You are desperately in need of other adventures covering different European cities if you want quality.

If you want locations and ways on how life can be much better, let me know and I will tell you exactly where to go.

Kiev is complete crap and has been this way for many years.

Salut.

[John]

I travel all over the world for good value sex. I don't prefer to spend insane amounts of money on girls, but in general I am not cheap either. Each country I visit has a norm for paying girls. I have been to Kiev once before about 2 years back. I enjoyed the system but in general IMHO girl friend experience rarely happens in Europe, but I am spoiled from travelling to places like Colombia and Venezuela where the art of GFE is almost perfected. As a good friend of mine tells me Paisas (Medellin Girls) have the Oscar on the make belief sessions of a GFE.

Anyways to the point. I am interested in any good leads for private GFE independent girls. Guys If you have any good contacts please let me know as I always reciprocate to all fellow mongers who ask me visiting Colombia. Anyways I have no problem paying in range of 1500 to 2000 grivnas depending on girl quality.

Please let me know. Also I used to have a guide in Kiev during last trip but that guy did not pan well. So if any of you know of good brothels also send me directions and complete info.

Appreciate the help as well if any of you are visiting South America I am happy to assist.

Happy Hunting.

John.

[Tomek123]

Thanks for the photo Riina. Good girls (especially oksana).

But I do not think that such a guy as Vitrea will say fictions. Look at how many posts he has-1800 posts! . if this guy used to hunt in the female Klondike of the planet -Colombia, a country of hot, not very expensive women. And if he is already two or three times with visits to Ukraine, and this is after the hot sex-impregnated Columbia, it means that Ukraine is real sex and real mongering. If this were not so, then why would this friend of ours spend his time in Ukraine. I do not see logic. But we will not forget that Ukraine is a white woman, it's blondes and brown-haired women. This can not but excite our lust. In Ukraine, a western guy can take revenge on all white women in his life who are too arrogant and demanding in the USA or Europe hahaha.

When we feed our sperm a girl from the slums of the Philippines or Laos, then this one is a feeling. It's also nice. But when we cum in the mouth of a beautiful chicken 19 years old from Sumy with blond hair and gray eyes, then this is a doubly pleasant feeling.

[John]

Any one has ever used this website?

Prices seem reasonably ok.

Please let me know thanks.

[Rugan]

Any one has ever used this website?

Prices seem reasonably ok.

Please let me know thanks.Yeah, it's been mentioned a lot. You can probably search the thread. Sounded like sometimes they send a different girl. Apart from that I think it gets good reviews.

[Rugan]

Will post names and details when time permits.Please do.

[Misterxxx]

Any one has ever used this website?
Prices seem reasonably ok.
Please let me know thanks.Don't believe in any of those websites. Photos, service, price. Everything is fake. If you call they send another girl and ask for a different price. Even if they write "100% real photos". This is normal in the Ukraine. No girl wants to show her photos on such a website. Turkish salesman cheating Ukrainian tourists in the bazaar. Ukrainian pimps the Turkish sex tourists with the girls. Compensatory justice. The only site that offers real photos of all girls is "Gia" (but they are overpriced).

[Odessex]

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[DramaFree11]

Vitrea,

The girls are Rio are overpriced and average. Apartments dreadful.

You are desperately in need of other adventures covering different European cities if you want quality.

If you want locations and ways on how life can be much better, let me know and I will tell you exactly where to go.

Kiev is complete crap and has been this way for many years.

Salut.Guys,

Pay attention to his post, this is the real Kiev. Also, the Night Clubs are empty, occasionally Friday Nights are okay, but for the most part the the Nightlife is real bad. There is no energy in the city now, just real boring and after Working Hours the streets and restaurants are empty. Sorry this is the real Kiev.

[DramaFree11]

Why do you feel the need to review a guy posts? If you have something to say about chicks just say it.

A3

[John]

Wow.

This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

Happy Hunting.

John.


Guys,

Pay attention to his post, this is the real Kiev. Also, the Night Clubs are empty, occasionally Friday Nights are okay, but for the most part the the Nightlife is real bad. There is no energy in the city now, just real boring and after Working Hours the streets and restaurants are empty. Sorry this is the real Kiev.

[Coyle]

It's pretty damn hot here.

Okay dear mongers. Here is a few tips.

1. I used airport currency exchange. Mistake. They are expensive. Don't do this. Their exchange rate is worse than those in downtown. I got 24 UAH:1 dollar for you $ 1,000. I could have gotten 26. That's 2000 UAH worth. Which is good for 1 hour fun. If you need UAH for taxi driver, do it for small amount like for 500. Ah. One more. When you exchange at the airport, they maliciously give you nothing but 100 notes. Jee. I got a BOOK of 100 notes. Never use airport exchange service.

2. Taxi is pretty cheap. I paid 450 to Beserabsky market from the airport.

3. First night. As somebody mentioned. Most girls I've established some connections prior to arrival. Busy (maybe that's their sucking time for boyfriend or husband) so I used Ukraine. Backpage (hurray! Finally got an access to this) . Most girls answered like $60 condom+1 finish + taxi fair. Most of them asked for $30 extra for BJ without condom. Hell. Massage places were all booked up so I tried some blonde. Yes, different girl showed up but this girl looked better (like 7+) nice thin long legs with big soft boobs. But rather mechanical. After flight, after drink, well, it was just a sex but I am satisfied with her. She obviously liked me. And her moaning was really sexy. Doggy, classics, chair, floor. Finish. I extended one more hour but she did just the same. I thought some special would be awarded no. Paid total 3200 uah + 200 uah for cab for 2 finishes. I don't regret because where I come from in the states, compared to those arrogant, ugly and fat bitches, this girl is an angel and model grade.

4. I walked around the city this morning and afternoon. Asked this girl and that girl for this or that. They are really kind and one of them was. Seems to be attending to model photoshoot. My western way of behaviors still got me and couldn't ask for the number (damn it!) but I got the hang of it and will try. There was a really sexy shop assistant and will try her tomorrow. I think when girls are working, they know how hard it is to earn and make living. Easier to get them. I am excited for this evening's adventure. Charged up with food and slept enough and first time to meet someone I found from ukrainedate dot cum.

Anyone here in Kiev. Please send me message. I want to try rio tomorrow night or later.

To be continued.

[Member #4722]

Ironic his nickname is "drama free". LOL. The nightlife might not be crazy every night during the week but there is something fun to do every night at least.


Wow.

This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

Happy Hunting.

John.

[Samcik]

As someone who travels to Kiev every month past 3 years I will tell you again, if you're on budget, doesn't speak russian or travel there for a short time period Kiev is not the best place for mongering. So when someone criticize Kiev there's no need to overreact, that person just shares his personal opinion and experience. My favorite places for mongering is Russia and german fkks. Unfortunately couldn't travel to Russia lately for a political reasons. Russian girls are more open minded and straight forward than ukrainian girls and there plenty of websites with real photos. I work with ukrainians so many years and all I can say you need to be careful with those people. You can still get a girl for 100 $ or less in Kiev but she will not be 9 or 10,7 at the best. Most my partners highly spoke about Kharkiv, I personally haven't been there but I'm sure since prices are cheaper there you can get girls also for a cheaper prices. Cheap targets in Kiev are single moms, girls from regions who moved there to make a living and freshmen students. All other model looking girls who you might see on instagram with thousands of followers are looking for long term sponsors who will be paying all their expenses. You can still manage to get some of them but be ready to pay AT LEAST 200 $. By the way during my last trip (2 weeks ago) I managed to bang miss Ukraine 2015 contestant from Zaporozye for 250 $ for 3 hours. I will try to post detailed information about my last trip in upcoming days. Also please don't think you can impress hot girls in Kiev with your American, Canadian or european passports. Those days are gone. Mamba lately is not good also only 6 and 7's are left. Tinder became popular among working girls but there're many no working girls also, so it's time consuming to figure out who is who.

P.S. I will be back to Kiev in October 9th for a week with my partner from Netherlands if someone would like to meet, chase girls and exchange contacts let me know. Just let you know I don't sleep with [CodeWord902] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902) girls (18 and younger), please if you're into that keep it to yourself and don't contact me.

[DramaFree11]

Wow.

This guy really hates Kiev. I don't know what he is upto but he has 44 posts and almost 40 plus are written only against Kiev with zero information for us. I hope he gets banned by admin.

If you don't have specifics please don't post. Every single post dedicated to make Kiev look bad.

I agree Kiev is over priced definitely so. But Girls are still beautiful. I am sure that is why people keep going back. October I will go second time to Kiev in last one year. I go more often to Medellin, Colombia and Venezuela (both places) are best mongering places in the world I would go as far as that those two places are amongst top 5 mongering destinations in world.

I still want to go Kiev as well because variety is name of the game.

Happy Hunting.

John.John,

Thank you for the Kind words. I wish the same for you. There are many lies told on this page. Many Guys claim to be banging multiple Hot Girls and in Short Periods of time. This is almost impossible and not true. I have been consistent with all my posts. If you have Ground Game and a decent Budget you have a chance, but not for Top Level Girls, 6's are attainable. The Hot Girls are just not around and have not been for a long time. Many Guys also comment how easy and cheap Girls are in Kiev. Then they are posting the girls they are meeting are from Gia and Rio, both are not cheap. I just do not want to see hard working Guys, that can not speak Russia or on a Budget travel to Kiev. They can be real taken advantage of and probably will not have a good time.

Positives:

1. Kiev is safe, very cheap, easy to rent long term apartments.

2. Many activities.

3. Food is good, service is hit or miss.

4. Taxi are cheap and helpful.

5. Many average girls available and will talk with older guys. Top Level Girls not available and not interested in Foreign Guys, "Said by many, beside myself".

6. Rio and Gia marginal, but expensive. Guys on a budget will not be able to afford this.

7. Night Clubs and Restaurants are beautiful, The High End Places are empty most of the time.

8. Weather is Amazing 9-10 months out of the year.

9. If you have ground game, you can have a good time, but most people do not have these skills.

Cons.

1. Internet 99% pictures fake.

2. Nightlife is horrible, Friday's are OK.

A. Guy to Girl Ratio is real bad and has been for several years.

3. Many Scams.

A. Many Girls are paid Commission from Restaurants and Night Clubs on how much they get Guys to spend. This is not talked about much on this site and is very common practice.

4. Guys and Girls are leaving the Country for better opportunities. The best and brightest are leaving in record numbers and this has nothing to do with the new Visa Rules. Very easy to pay someone for Fake Documents.

5. Sex Tourist.

6. City is dead after 9 pm.

7. When you are talking with girls on-line, most of the time you are not talking with the real person. Again this is not talked about.

8. Apartments seen for Girls is dreadful.

I will continue to call out Guys that Claim they are banging Hot Chick. Average girls are attainable, but takes good attitude, money, time, and hard work.

[Coyle]

1. Allure massage. Fucking shit hole. Avoid. Bed sheet was filthy with sperm marks, girl just does her job. After first finish, ordered me to go take a shower (damn. I was worried about my wallet).

Advice: when you entered the room. If it is not your taste or not what you saw on the internet, get the fuxx out of there. 2500 UAH wasted for 1. 5 hours.

2. Met a girl from ukrainedate. Spent $40 on nice dinner, wine, music at the apartment, deep kissing, petting. GFE. Damn it. It was so good. Upper body was so sexy in all, but not my type tho. Legs were not. Long and slim. You know. When you date a girl, waitress is hotter than your date, fuck. It messes up your spirit. Had to drink a few to get my inner horny child out to get the job done.

3. Kreshatyk street. My apartment has a balcony overlooking Tum department store and street. Man. It's quite a scene. Boys picking up girls, middle easterns are picking up a angelic looking girl (obviously three some), other dudes checking escort sites / meet and negotiate terms. Those who can never afford shopping here (this is like 5th avenue in New York city) are just roaming and walking by. I should try this street tomorrow.

4. Street hunting, club hunting, and having girls from other parts of ukraine come over and spend nights together. Are on my list. I will get 10 rejections and get laid 1 hot girl. That's my tomorrow's goal.

[Samcik]

I agree with almost everything Dramafree11 posted except It's still possible to bang hot girls in Kiev but it is not easy at all. If you're young and hot looking guy you can even pick them for free as in anywhere else. I'm young but not a hot looking guy and my only advantage is I speak Russian, not shy, friendly and travel to Kiev frequently. Most of the hot girls are not interested in one time sex money trades and they think if you're foreigner you're a sex tourist. Believe me there are plenty ukrainian men and foreign businessmen in Kiev who spends ridiculous amount of money on those girls. If you don't believe me visit places such as Chi, Avalon, Alaska and you will see yourself. One of my lady friends who is 22 and solid 9 blonde was bragging last time that how one rich doctor from London is begging her to marry him. I told her maybe she should agree and move to England. She laughed at me and told me she easily makes 5 k $ a month and travels to different countries every month so what's the point to get married and loose her independence. I couldn't argue with her.

Best time to meet semipros in my personal experience are end of the month (when they need money to pay the bills) and weekdays. Weekends usually are harder because most of them spend it with friends, families and regular clients aka sponsors.

As Coyle mentioned Khreshatyk street is a good place to pick girls when weather is nice but you need to have plenty time to hunt them down. Another good place are malls such as Gulliver there's always some hotties walking around. My dutch friend usually approaches girls on the street or in the mall and pretends that he's lost or looking for some place and initiates conversation. Old trick but still works.

Coyle, if you're staying on Khreshatik check it out Budha bar but after 11 pm and Dali Park to pick girls.

P.S. sorry for any mistypes, I'm posting from my cell phone..

[John]

I agree with most of what you have to say DramaFree11 but that is true of all places in the world. I mean every single place all the way down to the poorest countries such as Venezuela. Every single place where you feel that hot 10's can be had for less than $200 is not true any more. You may get lucky but that would be an exception. If the girl is starting to work. I can give you examples every where. 10 looking Girls in Medellin, Colombia want 500,000 pesos for 2 to 3 hrs dates now (which is $170). This would be never possible 5 to 10 years back. Even some are now asking 1 million pesos ($300). In Venezuela hot girl 10 quality will not ask you for that sort of money but that she would want an iPhone to be with you Ofcourse she will pretend this is for being your girl friend. HAHHA. Now these two are amongst cheapest place. Bangkok Hot girls 10 quality are going for 12,000 bhat for the night ($350) and this not even imported girls I am saying local hot 10 quality girl. Again the heavens of mongering. Cuba same thing Hot looking girls will ask $200 for the night and in between the night will try to leave. Rio de Janeiro where I started mongering back in 2002 when I felt this city has so many hores that prices will never come to US standard and in 2002 it was $100 for an HR in the most expensive center fold club and back in golden ages girls may ask $130 for all night and that was frowned upon. Now if you go to Rio De Janeiro super hot girls will ask you $300 a night. Now all these places are mongering paradises. All these places are where people travel 1000's of miles to get mongering. Reason being that on average you can still pay $50 - $ 70 for a 7 to 8 looks girls and if you know the lay of the land and repeat at same city many times you will get the edge.

So when you talking 10 quality girls prices every where in the world has gone UP. Welcome to the Age of Internet where Demand is super high for 10 quality girls and supply is super short.

If I am giving you all these examples I am not making all this up. Those who frequent any of these places will let you know that the prices above are in general nature exact to the dot.

So there is no need to be so negative on Kiev. It is the only place that I know of that has model type girls at a decent range in price and is different from Latinas and for those who like white blonds this place is to be tasted for sure.

If you know of a better place please let me know and I would visit as well but mean while the access of girls in Kiev is still not that bad.

Happy Hunting.

John.


John,

Thank you for the Kind words. I wish the same for you. There are many lies told on this page. Many Guys claim to be banging multiple Hot Girls and in Short Periods of time. This is almost impossible and not true. I have been consistent with all my posts. If you have Ground Game and a decent Budget you have a chance, but not for Top Level Girls, 6's are attainable. The Hot Girls are just not around and have not been for a long time. Many Guys also comment how easy and cheap Girls are in Kiev. Then they are posting the girls they are meeting are from Gia and Rio, both are not cheap. I just do not want to see hard working Guys, that can not speak Russia or on a Budget travel to Kiev. They can be real taken advantage of and probably will not have a good time.

Positives:

1. Kiev is safe, very cheap, easy to rent long term apartments.

2. Many activities.

3. Food is good, service is hit or miss.

4. Taxi are cheap and helpful.

5. Many average girls available and will talk with older guys. Top Level Girls not available and not interested in Foreign Guys, "Said by many, beside myself".

6. Rio and Gia marginal, but expensive. Guys on a budget will not be able to afford this.

7. Night Clubs and Restaurants are beautiful, The High End Places are empty most of the time.

8. Weather is Amazing 9-10 months out of the year.

9. If you have ground game, you can have a good time, but most people do not have these skills.

Cons.

1. Internet 99% pictures fake.

2. Nightlife is horrible, Friday's are OK.

A. Guy to Girl Ratio is real bad and has been for several years.

3. Many Scams.

A. Many Girls are paid Commission from Restaurants and Night Clubs on how much they get Guys to spend. This is not talked about much on this site and is very common practice.

4. Guys and Girls are leaving the Country for better opportunities. The best and brightest are leaving in record numbers and this has nothing to do with the new Visa Rules. Very easy to pay someone for Fake Documents.

5. Sex Tourist.

6. City is dead after 9 pm.

7. When you are talking with girls on-line, most of the time you are not talking with the real person. Again this is not talked about.

8. Apartments seen for Girls is dreadful.

I will continue to call out Guys that Claim they are banging Hot Chick. Average girls are attainable, but takes good attitude, money, time, and hard work.

[Riina]

I see no problem with Drama sharing his Kiev negativity. He might spare a brother from staking thousands of dollars for pure disappointment. He kind of balances out the utter BS here.

The above said, if you have the money and time, go for it. Their's fun to be had, unlike my home city where civilian fun is pretty hopeless.

[Coyle]

Damn it, dear friends.

Do not ignore " sign in front of phone number. Dang. This is a MUST.

If you press "0" for a while, then it pops. Whatsapp requires this number.

[Riina]

By the way, she lost the boyfriend. He had a girlfriend. Today she shared with me how she would like to find an older boyfriend, maybe a thirty something. These fricken Ukrainian girls are all the same. They get dicked around by boys their own age and all of a sudden they start looking at older guys. It's why that Ukrainian phenomenon of guys traveling to Ukraine exists. Two years ago, she was all in love with Ukrainian boys and as of today she shared how they don't treat the girls well. And how kind older guys can be. Jajajajajajajajajajaja. Same story over and over again.I posted the above today on USG. I witnessed a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian girl break down today in despair as to how same age guys have treated her so badly. Now to put this in context, I met this girl at twenty. The only boy she would accept at that time was another Ukrainian. Then comes two years of getting dicked around by useless boys in her village. Early August she returns to America and finds an Arab boyfriend a month later. She tells me she has fallen in love. Turns out the dude had a girlfriend and was playing her. She was broken. She starts telling me how Ukrainian guys treat girls badly. Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. She never talked like that. She starts telling me how kind older guys are and she wasn't going to mess around with stupid boys anymore. It was a bizzaro encounter. A girl completely changed her mentality from sweet Ukrainian boys to tagging them useless fools. This is a girl that will find an older boyfriend now and doesn't care what nationality he is. She wants love. This change in thinking is common in Ukraine. It's why we go.

[Harry Hardman]

I posted the above today on USG. I witnessed a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian girl break down today in despair as to how same age guys have treated her so badly. Now to put this in context, I met this girl at twenty. The only boy she would accept at that time was another Ukrainian. Then comes two years of getting dicked around by useless boys in her village. Early August she returns to America and finds an Arab boyfriend a month later. She tells me she has fallen in love. Turns out the dude had a girlfriend and was playing her. She was broken. She starts telling me how Ukrainian guys treat girls badly. Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. She never talked like that. She starts telling me how kind older guys are and she wasn't going to mess around with stupid boys anymore. It was a bizzaro encounter. A girl completely changed her mentality from sweet Ukrainian boys to tagging them useless fools. This is a girl that will find an older boyfriend now and doesn't care what nationality he is. She wants love. This change in thinking is common in Ukraine. It's why we go."Spills the beans as to their beastly behavior. " Can you elaborated on the "their beastly behavior"? Like what??

[Coyle]

Being cheated and swindled every girl I've contacted. I am just tired.

I want to get out. This is the working girl and twats world.

Yes they have look. Very sexy look. But man, you can't fuck porn because it has look. Don't deceive yourself and lose your time, energy, your emotion.

These girls do everything to cheat on you and they don't have any dignity. At least Russians were cool and at least there is some amount of uprightness.

[DramaFree11]

Being cheated and swindled every girl I've contacted. I am just tired.

I want to get out. This is the working girl and twats world.

Yes they have look. Very sexy look. But man, you can't fuck porn because it has look. Don't deceive yourself and lose your time, energy, your emotion.

These girls do everything to cheat on you and they don't have any dignity. At least Russians were cool and at least there is some amount of uprightness.Sorry, I hate to see this happen. Unfortunately this is becoming the norm. People call my posts mean and negative, but I only do it to try to prevent this from happening. As I said in my earlier there are a lot of lies in some guy's posts. Kiev can be very difficult and expensive both in time and money.

The only way to be successful is be as far away from the City Center as possible, Know the Russia, and Hunt. Even then chances of failure are high. My friends that were banging hot chick 2-3 years earlier were striking out left and right. My last visit they were hooking up with village girls and I would laugh and say why are you still coming to Kiev. They all had serious game and money. The other part of the story is many of their friends had stop coming, because the game was changing so quickly. Also, so many girls we knew were leaving or had already left. I was lucky I still had a girlfriend, but times were changing quickly. I used to be able to go to the apartments and find some hot chicks, but this just was not the case. Nightclubs were even worse, it was bad.

Again, I am sorry, but hopefully others can learn from your experience. Most guys are just not honest enough to tell their stories.

[Coyle]

Stop.

All the photos are fake. You never get the girls on the photo. Verified, new, approved, proved, certified. Student, independent, new to business, golden heart, full service, GFE.

All fucking scams. Yes, it's cheaper to buy girls here than most developed countries but you just get shitty service.

You see juicy steak, fillet mignon on the menu, big, generous. You will get fucking small cigarette pack size steak. Yes it is cheap. But I prefer cheap honesty than cheap cheating. Feel so bad.

Ukrainian young girls (who doesn't like young flesh) suck young ukrainian boys cock for free and without condoms.

It's so funny to hear that they curse their men by accusing many of them, but they suck bare cock and provide ass.

They like iPad and iPhone and fantasize in living in the western countries but hell. You want to bring those cheaters to your country by going thru hefty Gcard and sign the documents to be responsible for these kinds of women? Forget it.

[Vitrea]

Tomek123.

Thank you. You are spot on. I have zero reason to feed you guys BS.

Every word I write is a fact. I write for the sake of informing fellow mongers and not to show off, again for which I have no need.

Like all of you, you win some and loose some. You focus on the positive and move on.

Like Samchek posted, Kiev is not for guys on budget unless you spend extended periods of time here, which I don't.

So to compensate, I spend money for a few days and I get out. My friend and I mostly had 8's, couple of 9's and one model material but we paid good money.

The model for example asked for $300 for three hours. Her friend who is an 8 in face but tall and good body wanted the same amount of money. I really wanted to try the model material so I said OK but negotiated two shots for 3 hours and we did them both, two shots and 4 hours of fun time in our apartment plus lunch at a nice restaurant. Lunch is generally not my scene but went with the flow and the girls thought we were classy and really gave us GFE. Are they expensive? Yes. But for me, it was worth it and I still think about that afternoon.

I had another girl for $100 and she had two organsms in one hour. She was a sweetheart. I took her to a mall and bought her a gift. I had fun. That is all that matters.

Apartments are sad if you do them there. Take them to your apartment and offer them champagne / sparking wine and they come alive. One apartment girl is a violinist in an orchestra with a milk soft skin. She was not sad in my bed. The call cam at 50.

Minutes and she left at 60 minutes and I slept like a baby.

I use all reaoirces like apartaments, mamba, friends of friends and Rio. No websites or internet escorts. That to me, including GIA is bad in Kiev.

My good friend is going back and he has already lined up some hotties from Mamba but he is not cheap. He does not over negotiate price. He like me, expects GFE and seeks value.

Good luck.


Thanks for the photo Riina. Good girls (especially oksana).

But I do not think that such a guy as Vitrea will say fictions. Look at how many posts he has-1800 posts! . if this guy used to hunt in the female Klondike of the planet -Colombia, a country of hot, not very expensive women. And if he is already two or three times with visits to Ukraine, and this is after the hot sex-impregnated Columbia, it means that Ukraine is real sex and real mongering. If this were not so, then why would this friend of ours spend his time in Ukraine. I do not see logic. But we will not forget that Ukraine is a white woman, it's blondes and brown-haired women. This can not but excite our lust. In Ukraine, a western guy can take revenge on all white women in his life who are too arrogant and demanding in the USA or Europe hahaha.

When we feed our sperm a girl from the slums of the Philippines or Laos, then this one is a feeling. It's also nice. But when we cum in the mouth of a beautiful chicken 19 years old from Sumy with blond hair and gray eyes, then this is a doubly pleasant feeling.

[AdvancedPerson]

Hey guys,

I'm going to Kiev in one week.

I've been reading up on alot of posts and there is so much contradicting information.

I would really like to know what would be a fair amount to spend per day (if hotel is already prepaid) if I want to enjoy the nightlife and eat in some good quality places.

I know that it is difficult to determine what someone would spend, but at least an idea would be much appreciated.

I'll be staying near the kreshchatyk street.

Also, are there any websites that offer good looking girls or at least similar girls to the pictures advertised?

In terms of nightlife, where could I find some pay for play girls and what would be the average ask?

I am a 30 why old guy so I have no problem approaching girls in there early 20's.

Also a little more specific question, are there girls that provide CIM and rimming that anyone has tried or knows of?

Your knowledge would be much appreciated and I'll be sure to share my experience when I come back.

Thanks again!

[Member #4722]

As I said in my earlier there are a lot of lies in some guy's posts. Kiev can be very difficult and expensive both in time and money.

That's what pisses me off about the negative nellies. They always accuse anyone who writes a positive report of lying. I have written positive reports, and anyone can look at my post history and determine I am one of the more honest posters here as I report both the good and the bad.

The other thing is that the same people post the same thing over and over again. This has become a bit more obsessive than just trying to "help a brother out". I mongered in Buenos Aries Argentina and I thought this was a great place for the hobby (it has a whole dedicated message board on ISG!) but I thought it stunk and would never go back. I posted my thoughts there and have never gone back to that board. I have never felt the need to go back and obsessively try to dissuade people from going. Maybe someone else will have a good time there. There must be a lot of people that like it since there are tons of reports for this city. I posted my thoughts and moved on.

Same thing with San Juan, Puerto Rico (sad what happened there BTW). Posted my bad experience and then moved on.

Here are the places I have mongered.

Hawaii.

Tijuana X100.

Ensenada.

Prague X4.

Brno.

All across USA.

Bratislava.

Amsterdam.

Been to about 15 FKK trips.

Budapest.

Warsaw, Krakow Katowice.

Costa Rica X4.

Panama.

Buenos Aries.

Puerto Rico.

Many more that I have forgotten as it's early.

If I could chose any destination to go to RIGHT NOW it would probably be Kiev since I always have a great time there and like GFE from beauties. If you think I am lying then check my post history and I think it's evident I'm not a liar.

[DramaFree11]

That's what pisses me off about the negative nellies. They always accuse anyone who writes a positive report of lying. I have written positive reports, and anyone can look at my post history and determine I am one of the more honest posters here as I report both the good and the bad.

The other thing is that the same people post the same thing over and over again. This has become a bit more obsessive than just trying to "help a brother out". I mongered in Buenos Aries Argentina and I thought this was a great place for the hobby (it has a whole dedicated message board on ISG!) but I thought it stunk and would never go back. I posted my thoughts there and have never gone back to that board. I have never felt the need to go back and obsessively try to dissuade people from going. Maybe someone else will have a good time there. There must be a lot of people that like it since there are tons of reports for this city. I posted my thoughts and moved on.

Same thing with San Juan, Puerto Rico (sad what happened there BTW). Posted my bad experience and then moved on.

Here are the places I have mongered.

Hawaii.

Tijuana X100..I have been to most of those places as well. Saying you are having a good time is one thing. I had amazing times in Kiev, love the City, but I have been very honest in my posts.

I am not the on running around claiming I am banging multiple 8, 9, 10, in Kiev. These are super Models and they are not in Kiev, one maybe, multiple hot chicks no way. Also, you claim how easy and cheap Kiev is, then you are hanging out at Rio. Most guys can not afford Rio, you and myself are lucky we can.

Think about what you say, I will not comment any further. Go ahead and be upset.

[JokingJoe]

Is there a Ukrainian version of the Russian Intimcity or rusdosug websites that offer massage and similar services?

[DramaFree11]

Tomek123.

Thank you. You are spot on. I have zero reason to feed you guys BS.

Every word I write is a fact. I write for the sake of informing fellow mongers and not to show off, again for which I have no need.

Like all of you, you win some and loose some. You focus on the positive and move on.

Like Samchek posted, Kiev is not for guys on budget unless you spend extended periods of time here, which I don't.

So to compensate, I spend money for a few days and I get out. My friend and I mostly had 8's, couple of 9's and one model material but we paid good money.

The model for example asked for $300 for three hours. Her friend who is an 8 in face but tall and good body wanted the same amount of money. I really wanted to try the model material so I said OK but negotiated two shots for 3 hours and we did them both, two shots and 4 hours of fun time in our apartment plus lunch at a nice restaurant. Lunch is generally not my scene but went with the flow and the girls thought we were classy and really gave us GFE. Are they expensive? Yes. But for me, it was worth it and I still think about that afternoon..Very nice Report and honest. I do feel that Rio is probably the best option, but expensive.

[Vitrea]

That's what pisses me off about the negative nellies. They always accuse anyone who writes a positive report of lying. I have written positive reports, and anyone can look at my post history and determine I am one of the more honest posters here as I report both the good and .....

If I could chose any destination to go to RIGHT NOW it would probably be Kiev since I always have a great time there and like GFE from beauties. If you think I am lying then check my post history and I think it's evident I'm not a liar.Nice. I feel almost the same. Like another poster John said, there is also the "variety" factor which is a big point of momgering. There are couple of places I like to monger as much as Kiev but variety is a big draw for me.

One down side for me is Kiev is long ways from where I live and the logistics of travel limit me from going there more frequently.

Like Rog123, I am done posting here. I don't have anything more to add.

On a side note, I do want to go to Moscow in 2018. If there are any Moscow veterans out there, I would love to chat on PM.

[TeFab456]

The Kyiv thread has become a sad affair. Not a lot of actual experience, and a lot of projection.

I have been to Kyiv frequently since 2012, although not yet this year, and have a lot of contacts there who I follow on Instagram, Whatsapp, VK etc and keep in touch in all kinds of way.

The chase for freebies or models who do nearly everything for almost nothing is a losing game, and rightly so, since it is an ugly way of exploitation, hoping for girls to be, if not downright stupid, at least naive (which can be seductive, of course). Geopolitics work against that: Ukraine may still be a highly corrupt country, but its integration into world wide networks of information, travelling, etc is improving constantly. Simple consequence: the "innocent" girl who would succumb to a man from a Western country simply for the fact of his passport (and regardless of his looks, generosity, let alone charisma or worthwhile personality) is becoming a rarity. There was a window of opportunity for cheap guys for many years after 1989/1990, this website has a lot of folklore about it, but that is rapidly changing. And this is good, it will also lead to better sex since it becomes more of an encounter and less an act of cheating someone into something detrimental (I generally enjoy it more when there is dignity to it, other guys may favor depravation).

Apart from that Ukraine (I have been to Odessa again this summer) is still a place where notions of masculinity and femininity, of sexual freedom, of gender relations are very much in favor of great, great encounters, if you are able to show some generosity (not necessarily only financial).

Websites in my opinion are still the best way to make the first move, Tinder (worked well for me in Kyiv, not so well in Odessa) and Backpage are worthwhile sites of playing the lottery. But most important is to collect numbers over the years. I have about 200 after about five years of trips, and even if I will not meet most of them again (or it will take a while for me to meet in reality) I am constantly in touch with this world, and able to register what is going on, who is going to Dubai or landed an invitation to Paris, who basically lives on Maldives or in DomRep. And that helps me a lot to understand what to do when I am in Kyiv, or Odessa, or Kharkiv. Great cities all of them, with wonderful women galore.

[Samcik]

Finally, I have a time to post about my September trip to Kiev.

I arrived in Kiev on September 4th Monday evening, booked apartment as usual on Khreshatik 13 street. Picked my girl who I see regularly from May on my way to center from airport. After checking in to apartment and having some fun with her we went to Mocco to have dinner and smoke hookah. Back in apartment at midnight have some more fun and since I was super tired after long flight from Chicago and needed to be up early in the morning for work I sent her home around 2 am. She's solid 9 blonde girl 120 lb, 5. 6 works out everyday in perfect shape. Even though I like her and see her frequently, she's not perfect match.

Tuesday I was done with work and business meetings by 3 pm and decided to meet one of the girls from tinder who was looking for long term sponsor relationship. We met in mr. Zuma inside Gulliver shopping mall. 21 years old girl who claims study in Malta and Romania with angel face and nice body but small boobs. She asked me so many annoying questions that I felt like I'm interrogated in Abu Ghraib. We had some lunch and spent 2 hours in mr Zuma. I offered her to go my place for 200 $, she was fine with it but told me she wants me to take STD tests and show her results first. WTF, that's never happened to me before, and I wasn't planning to have sex with her with no condom. I was so upset that told her go fuck herself. Came home took a shower browsed little bit in mamba didn't find any new contact who I would like to have fun with. Contacted few girls who I was matched on tinder before. All of them told me that it's either too late or they already have plans for the evening (it was 7 pm). Called my girl luckily she was near my place with her friend and we decided to meet all together in Mocco again. Spent 3 hours in Mocco with 2 hot girls was fun but damaging (110 $ bill for light dinner, drinks and hookah). Her friend left around midnight and we went to my apartment she stayed all night with me. Had little argue with her in the morning and strongly decided to find new girl because her attitude was getting annoying.

Wednesday afternoon met with a cougar from tinder. She was around 28-30 with pornstar look, silicone lips and silicone boob. We met on the Khreshatik street and offered her to decide where to go and luckily she decided cheap coffee place on Khreashtik called Shokoladnica. Had some interesting conversation she told me little about herself, didn't asked any stupid questions. But when I offered her to go my place she said that she needs to buy jacket from TSUM. I told her I can give her money and she will buy herself after going my place. She politely called me impatient and insisted buying jacket first. Since I'm familiar with this old trick and didn't feel like walking in mall with her and buying her expensive jacket I ended our conversation. Mamba again was depressing full of fake profiles and not a great looking girls. Spent some time on tinder and luckily got matched with girl from Zaporozye who was in Kiev at that time. After 30 min chat she agreed to meet tomorrow. Spent rest of the evening in Avalon with my old friend, managed easily to get phone number from one of the hostesses who was flirting with me all night but only after half of the stuff included GM stopped by to say Hi and hug. I go there everytime when I'm in Kiev and tip as I do in America. By the way Avalon and Mocco have same owner and my favorite places in Kiev to chill and relax.

Thursday, got text message from Mr. Zuma girl who was apologizing and begging me to gave her another chance told her I'm really busy will let her know if I will have time. Met around 5 pm with a girl from Zaporozhye, took her to Alaska for a nice dinner, she was really impressed and happy. Turns out she's former miss Ukraine contestant and model, I didn't believe her till she showed me her pictures and posters. She was in Kiev for few days and was heading to Istanbul where she works with local model agency. I offered to spend rest of the evening with me in my apartment and she asked 400 $. After some jokes and negotiations we agreed on 250 $. She had some restrictions such no cum in mouth and face and no anal besides these it was total GFE experience. Had 2 pops and sent her home.

Friday was total disaster, spent all afternoon in tinder, instagram and mamba but couldn't find anyone who wants to meet. Except few mamba 6-7 looking mamba girls everyone already had a plans for the evening. I really wanted to have some fun because I wasn't planing do anything on Saturday. Luckily my girl contacted me and apologized for her behavior and asked me how I'm planning to spend my Friday. We ended up going to Avalon that place was packed luckily knowing people there helped and we got table in lounge area on (1st floor). Hostess who gave me phone number was there also, when I saw her I realized that I totally forgot about her. She was giving me dirty look all night. While was in Avalon it was intereseting to watch other tables how foreigners and locals were spending crazy money there. For example table next to us 3 Israeli guys with 5 super hot looking girls keep ordering bottles of Moet Chandons, caviars.

Saturday decided to take it easy because I had 6 am flight on Sunday to Frankfurt to visit FKK clubs.

Since Kiev hit or miss for me I always book few days stop in Frankfurt to see my friends and visit Sharks and Oase there.

Kiev is good place to have fun but going there alone on budget for a couple days is failure.

My dates for October are set I will be there from October 9th to 14th.

P.S. If anyone have a contact with ali_nka__n from instagram please help me to get a date with her. She reminds me my old girlfriend but unfortunately she didn't reply to my message on instagram. I will owe you big time and exchange some contacts.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

Look here Instagram. Find Ola_ who follow here. Add me. I have her phone number I think.

Ola.


Finally, I have a time to post about my September trip to Kiev.

I arrived in Kiev on September 4th Monday evening, booked apartment as usual on Khreshatik 13 street. Picked my girl who I see regularly from May on my way to center from airport. After checking in to apartment and having some fun with her we went to Mocco to have dinner and smoke hookah. Back in apartment at midnight have some more fun and since I was super tired after long flight from Chicago and needed to be up early in the morning for work I sent her home around 2 am. She's solid 9 blonde girl 120 lb, 5. 6 works out everyday in perfect shape. Even though I like her and see her frequently, she's not perfect match.

Tuesday I was done with work and business meetings by 3 pm and decided to meet one of the girls from tinder who was looking for long term sponsor relationship. We met in mr. Zuma inside Gulliver shopping mall. 21 years old girl who claims study in Malta and Romania with angel face and nice body but small boobs. She asked me so many annoying questions that I felt like I'm interrogated in Abu Ghraib. We had some lunch and spent 2 hours in mr Zuma. I offered her to go my place for 200 $, she was fine with it but told me she wants me to take STD tests and show her results first. WTF, that's never happened to me before, and I wasn't planning to have sex with her with no condom. I was so upset that told her go fuck herself. Came home took a shower browsed little bit in mamba didn't find any new contact who I would like to have fun with. Contacted few girls who I was matched on tinder before. All of them told me that it's either too late or they already have plans for the evening (it was 7 pm). Called my girl luckily she was near my place with her friend and we decided to meet all together in Mocco again. Spent 3 hours in Mocco with 2 hot girls was fun but damaging (110 $ bill for light dinner, drinks and hookah). Her friend left around midnight and we went to my apartment she stayed all night with me. Had little argue with her in the morning and strongly decided to find new girl because her attitude was getting annoying.

Wednesday afternoon met with a cougar from tinder. She was around 28-30 with pornstar look, silicone lips and silicone boob. We met on the Khreshatik street and offered her to decide where to go and luckily she decided cheap coffee place on Khreashtik called Shokoladnica. Had some interesting conversation she told me little about herself, didn't asked any stupid questions. But when I offered her to go my place she said that she needs to buy jacket from TSUM. I told her I can give her money and she will buy herself after going my place. She politely called me impatient and insisted buying jacket first. Since I'm familiar with this old trick and didn't feel like walking in mall with her and buying her expensive jacket I ended our conversation. Mamba again was depressing full of fake profiles and not a great looking girls. Spent some time on tinder and luckily got matched with girl from Zaporozye who was in Kiev at that time. After 30 min chat she agreed to meet tomorrow...

[Dion Cassius]

Instagram:

Ali_nka__n 200 $.

Anzhelikakhozhainova 100 $ nice.

Maryyegorova 100 $ super sex GFE.

.Did you contact them directly via Instagram?

If the answer is yes I would be very much interested to know what you told them.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

I never talked with them on Inst.

I used Mamba to contact them. I got their phone number on Mamba.

I not like long talks. Get to the point fast.

If they not give you their phone number and not want to talk on camera at the start just forget about it, then it is possibly a fake profile.

Example: Hello. Meet in Kiev? $$.

Answer can be: OK / The price / The phone number or sometimes: Fuck off.

Ola.


Did you contact them directly via Instagram?

If the answer is yes I would be very much interested to know what you told them.

[Stevie69]

Well, not completely. First, I commend you for getting a young pretty girl for a reasonable price. Something others who contribute to the forum should learn. As you proved, smaller cities are cheaper. As you further proved, if they like you a little, regular cashier girls will happily jump at a chance to earn 500 UAH (1000 in Kiev). If they like you, they do not consider themselves to be prostitutes, even if they receive money. To them, it just means that you are a man, and hence, you take care of her financially.

Second, I do not think that when the country gets richer, all will go to hell. Prices will go up, of course, but it will still be possible to have some old-fashioned fun with women. The problem in North America and parts of Western Europe is the marriage laws. Women have to get married once and then they are set up for life, even if the marriage is short. That is why, once they get married, they get fat and ugly. In Russia and eastern Europe, women get very little, if anything, after they divorce. Therefore, they have to remain looking good, just in case they get dumped, and they learn to act like women at a young age. By "acting like women" I mean not only in the bedroom, but also in the home, keeping their men happy at home. And still, men cheat!


I think you guessed that it was just irony and sarcasm on my part. Two weeks ago I arranged for 400 hryvnia about BJ with a girl of 18-19 years in Sumy city. It is the north-east of Ukraine. I saw her several times in a shop where I bought soap and shampoo. She works there and we kind of talked a few times. I invited her to a cup of coffee and offered her a small gift. And said that in two days I will leave the city. She made me a blowjob on Wednesday and then I inclined her to blowjob without a condom and CIM for 600 hryvnia on Thursday. She earned for two meetings with me 1000 hryvnia. She is good girl. She realized that I do not have any connections with this city and she can not be afraid for her reputation. For good mongering the main condition is low standards of life. The country should be poor and have many problems. Then a young beautiful girl sooner or later starts thinking about how to make some money. This is a necessary condition for sex tourism.

When Ukraine will become a rich country then all these Ukrainian girls who suck our cock and swallow our European sperm they will all tell us-DO Swidania! Bye bye. Hasta la vista baby. We were very helped in a difficult time but now we no longer want to suck your dick, this happened in Poland and Hungary and Slovakia.

[Samcik]

Hello,

I never talked with them on Inst.

I used Mamba to contact them. I got their phone number on Mamba.

I not like long talks. Get to the point fast.

If they not give you their phone number and not want to talk on camera at the start just forget about it, then it is possibly a fake profile.

Example: Hello. Meet in Kiev? $$.

Answer can be: OK / The price / The phone number or sometimes: Fuck off.

Ola.Ola, can you post Ali_nka__n mamba link please?

[Stevie69]

The Kyiv thread has become a sad affair. Not a lot of actual experience, and a lot of projection....Indeed. I have been to Ukraine, mostly Kiev, for about 20 times in the past 8-10 years, including 3 times this year, so far. Some years, I went often, other years, I did not. The level of negativity and naivete in the forum is amazing. You can read my posts, but I will add a few thoughts here concerning the most recent topics.

1- Of course, they will try to scam you. What do you think? That goes for any woman, even your wife.

2- If you are old, fat, ugly and have no game, you will have to pay as much as you pay at home. But if you are willing to pay $300 USD, why not just stay home? The currency is UAH, not USD! Think and negotiate in UAH. A basic salary for the waitress that you are admiring is no more than 5000 UAH. Why would you agree to pay her a whole month's salary for one hour of work, no matter how disagreeable that work might be (how old fat and ugly you are).

3- I do not know about your scales, but to me, most healthy women under 25 are very pretty. "healthy", of course, excludes the fat ones, which is the main problem in North America, and increasingly in western Europe. The second great aspect of Kiev (Ukraine) is that the girls are very feminine. The wear dresses, skirts, and high heels. The ones that you call 10's, are just 8's with expensive dresses, designer shoes, professional make-up, and maybe fake boobs and lips. A normal pretty university girls in jeans in the day time can look absolutely incredible in a nice dress and make-up in the evening. If that is what you want to pay for, then go for it, but then do not complain.

I guess that is all for now.

[Dion Cassius]

Hello,

I never talked with them on Inst.

I used Mamba to contact them. I got their phone number on Mamba.

I not like long talks. Get to the point fast.

If they not give you their phone number and not want to talk on camera at the start just forget about it, then it is possibly a fake profile.

Example: Hello. Meet in Kiev? $$.

Answer can be: OK / The price / The phone number or sometimes: Fuck off.

Ola.Thanks buddy.

Just like Samcik, I would be interested by the links in Mamba.

[AdvancedPerson]

Do I take it that no one has the info I'm asking for?


Hey guys,

I'm going to Kiev in one week.

I've been reading up on alot of posts and there is so much contradicting information.

I would really like to know what would be a fair amount to spend per day (if hotel is already prepaid) if I want to enjoy the nightlife and eat in some good quality places.

I know that it is difficult to determine what someone would spend, but at least an idea would be much appreciated.

I'll be staying near the kreshchatyk street.

Also, are there any websites that offer good looking girls or at least similar girls to the pictures advertised?

[Studshark]

Thanks for replying, but still doesn't work. Maybe it's just me, but strange that others aren't experiencing the same issue. I guess I'll have to improve my IT skills.In order to get to Kiev. backstage.com you need a VPN service with the IP address registered outside of US.

[Tomek123]

Hello,

I never talked with them on Inst.

I used Mamba to contact them. I got their phone number on Mamba.

I not like long talks. Get to the point fast.

If they not give you their phone number and not want to talk on camera at the start just forget about it, then it is possibly a fake profile.

Example: Hello. Meet in Kiev? $$.

Answer can be: OK / The price / The phone number or sometimes: Fuck off.

Ola.And why they should give you their phone number. Mamba is that your. Sex services. No. This is the most ordinary dating site. Is it really so hard to understand. What's the idiotic stereotype that if a girl with a mamba then she wants to fuck for the money. It's nonsense.

Certainly some girls are too greedy and haughty. It's unfortunately a new generation of Ukrainian girls.

Somebody fucked this creature with a little swarthy skin or not -.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1748110531

[BlissDps]

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.

[Coyle]

Fuck no.

Different girl showed up but it was okay looking. This girl was just wrapped around with Chanel bag, Chanel shoes, Chanel bra, Chanel lipstick.

At least, I was hoping some good attitude. Hell no. Have a sore throat, no kissing with saliva, bring me clean linen, bring me water, bring me a pillow.

What the fuck? After I finish, she changed her mind and told me just one finish. And asked me a clean towel.

I saw her leaving the apartment with cigarette on her mouth.

All the escort girls, it is very hard to find a good attitude girl. They are just interested in making money. I don't want to think that this is a my problem even in this world.

Damn. Nothing to believe in Kiev. Nothing. You don't have an access to backpage, don't cry. They are worse.

[OlaOlsen]

First of all if you look on profiles on Mamba it is easy to see if it is serious or not.

And about 70-80 % of girls that I write to are looking for sponsor / sex for money or so.

And I do not ask for sex for money. I ask meet for money!

I have so many examples where I ask about meet and the answer is: yes for money or gift.

So idiotic or not. This is the reality.

Mamba is better for find a prostitute or gold digger then for a serious woman.


And why they should give you their phone number. Mamba is that your. Sex services. No. This is the most ordinary dating site. Is it really so hard to understand. What's the idiotic stereotype that if a girl with a mamba then she wants to fuck for the money. It's nonsense.

Certainly some girls are too greedy and haughty. It's unfortunately a new generation of Ukrainian girls.

Somebody fucked this creature with a little swarthy skin or not -.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1748110531

[OlaOlsen]

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera.

With 5 I write on Viber or WhatsApp, I still not sure because they not want to talk on camera.

8 of 14 girls want to meet for money! Just some minutes on Mamba to find them. Very ordinary dating site yes!

So. Idiotic stereotype or not. This is reallity!

Ola.


And why they should give you their phone number. Mamba is that your. Sex services. No. This is the most ordinary dating site. Is it really so hard to understand. What's the idiotic stereotype that if a girl with a mamba then she wants to fuck for the money. It's nonsense.

Certainly some girls are too greedy and haughty. It's unfortunately a new generation of Ukrainian girls.

Somebody fucked this creature with a little swarthy skin or not -.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1748110531

[DramaFree11]

Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera.

With 5 I write on Viber or WhatsApp, I still not sure because they not want to talk on camera.

8 of 14 girls want to meet for money! Just some minutes on Mamba to find them. Very ordinary dating site yes!

So. Idiotic stereotype or not. This is reallity!

Ola.Good Post and it is unbelievable that guys keep lining up to go to Kiev.

[Alekezam]

Ha!

I love it.

Can't argue with hard facts and numbers.

You may not have perfect command of the English language but when you do communicate I still understand your point.

Now the other guy? Between all the profanity and narcissism in most of his posts, its pretty hard to understand what he's trying to say half the time.

You're right, whenever I looked at Mamba the general feel I got was that it was basically a site geared more towards a sugar daddy arrangement. That, in reality is a roundabout way for a girl to delude herself and others into believing they are not a "prostitute".


Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera..

[DramaFree11]

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.This is totally true. I do not know why this is not discussed more often in Guy's Post. I guess they are embarrassed or ashamed to admit that this has happened and it did happen to me once, but if I was not careful it would have been a semi-regular occurrence. Also, similar scams are happening at Bars, Night Clubs, Stores and of concourse the old faithful story, "I need a new Cell Phone or Computer."

[Tomek123]

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[Stevie69]

Actually, meeting at the metro is fairly harmless. You can then at least see her in person, and then decide whether you want to go to a restaurant. If she is too ugly, walk away. You can together decide on the restaurant. If it is empty and there are no menus, or the prices are too high, then walk away. The real problem is when they decide and insists upon a given restaurant, and tell you to go there.

I would agree that 99% of the time, it is a scam, but only in the sense that yes, they want to have an expensive meal, the type they usually cannot afford. A much smaller proportion are real scams, in which they get commissions for bringing foreign idiots to scam restaurants that charge inflated prices?

Yes, that scam is as old as the "dropped load of cash" scam. Once you recognize it is a scam, you can actually have some fun with it. You can: (1) Check out the restaurant ahead of time and check out the prices, and leave when she shows up, (2) show up late, have her wait for 30 minutes, even tell her to order herself a drink, and when you arrive, do not even sit down. Tell her you do not like it, tell her to pay her bill, and leave. (3) Tell the waitress that it is separate bills. Make sure she understands that you will pay only what you order, and order form the menu only. (4) sit across the street at another restaurant / cafe and watch her come in and then leave when you cancel 30 minutes later.


Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.

[Stevie69]

Really? I thought GIA was still fairly reliable. I have not used it often, but every time I did, it worked out fine.

Anyway, these problems can be avoided. As soon as you saw it was not the girls in the photos, you could have sent her away. You could have kissed her on the lips and with some tongue when you met; if she refused, she would likely refuse later, so you should have sent her away. The moment you sense a little attitude, just send her away, and of course, do not pay until the end.

It is a job, full or part time. Of course, they are interested in making money. You just have to use that motivation to your advantage.


Fuck no.

Different girl showed up but it was okay looking. This girl was just wrapped around with Chanel bag, Chanel shoes, Chanel bra, Chanel lipstick.

At least, I was hoping some good attitude. Hell no. Have a sore throat, no kissing with saliva, bring me clean linen, bring me water, bring me a pillow.

What the fuck? After I finish, she changed her mind and told me just one finish. And asked me a clean towel.

I saw her leaving the apartment with cigarette on her mouth.

All the escort girls, it is very hard to find a good attitude girl. They are just interested in making money. I don't want to think that this is a my problem even in this world.

Damn. Nothing to believe in Kiev. Nothing. You don't have an access to backpage, don't cry. They are worse.

[Stevie69]

That has also been my experience. Out of 14, you have made video contact with 3. You still have to negotiate services, prices, and times. You may get one. If not, you have to start the process again. And the one you get, if you do, may or may not give you a good experience. If she does, see her again, and ask her for referrals.

There is nothing unusual about those numbers. I do not know what Mr. Naysayer is complaining about.


Hi,

I today wrote 14 girls on Mamba.

2 not answer.

4 said: not interested.

8 give me phone number.

With 3 I already talk on Viber. On camera..

[Stevie69]

Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.


This is totally true. I do not know why this is not discussed more often in Guy's Post. I guess they are embarrassed or ashamed to admit that this has happened and it did happen to me once, but if I was not careful it would have been a semi-regular occurrence. Also, similar scams are happening at Bars, Night Clubs, Stores and of concourse the old faithful story, "I need a new Cell Phone or Computer."

[Gentleman Travel]

Just watch out for girls mostly met on Tinder who want to meet for dinner but won't tell which place, (let's meet at the metro or at the mall and we will find something".

Its a scam in 99% of the cases and they will bring you to a place where they get some commission.

I also would suggest that in case she will tell a place, to check it out first if its a well known place for scammers.I cannot speak to your experience, maybe you were dealing with commissioned scammers. But in any case, that is the wrong approach to take with Ukrainian girls.

A Ukrainian girl wants you to be the man and take charge. If you are going to her restaurant, you are being a wussy and undeserving of their respect.

Of course it is a challenge if you are new in town and trying to find a decent restaurant to meet in. But read posts here or just wander around your first day and identify some places that will work for you.

First, you want a place near your hotel both so you don't spend all afternoon just getting to some out of the way place, after which she may or may not show up. And if she doesn't, ideally you should be able to check out the bar or other tables for alternative prospects. Second, if she does show up an you hit it off, you want to be able to get her back to your hotel / apartment while she is still hot. This assumes you booked your hotel in a central area, near a restaurant district. If you didn't, why the f* not?

At the same time, make it convenient for her to arrive on the subway, which is the normal way girls travel. It also allows you to repel requests for taxi money. The can get anywhere by public transit, usually. Actually, I have occasionally had girls arrive by car, but that means either they are a pro (and have money) or are from an outlying town with inadequate train connections and probably borrowed or rented the car just to meet you. And so you have to reimburse them if you want to go any further.

But to get back to my main point. You decide on the restaurant (taking into account convenience, class and taste). You can offer her some options and be a gentleman about it. But that way you control the cost and location and, most importantly, you control the relationship. A real girl will appreciate that.

GT.

[Riina]

I cannot speak to your experience, maybe you were dealing with commissioned scammers. But in any case, that is the wrong approach to take with Ukrainian girls.

A Ukrainian girl wants you to be the man and take charge. If you are going to her restaurant, you are being a wussy and undeserving of their respect.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Kiev is a capital of small crooks. Please don't be a delusional grownup. The context here is strangers off the internet, not girlfriends.

[Gentleman Travel]

I couldn't disagree with you more. Kiev is a capital of small crooks. Please don't be a delusional grownup. The context here is strangers off the internet, not girlfriends.Well, I have met lots of great girls off internet dating sites, but of course you have to weed out time wasters and scam artists.

But either way, scam or test of manhood, the solution is the same. You call the shots and take her to your restaurant.

[Arkiloko]

Nothing more to say.

Best post ever.


Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.

[Rugan]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?


Yes, that scam is as old as the "dropped load of cash" scam. Once you recognize it is a scam, you can actually have some fun with it. You can: (1) Check out the restaurant ahead of time and check out the prices, and leave when she shows up, (2) show up late, have her wait for 30 minutes, even tell her to order herself a drink, and when you arrive, do not even sit down. Tell her you do not like it, tell her to pay her bill, and leave. (3) Tell the waitress that it is separate bills. Make sure she understands that you will pay only what you order, and order form the menu only. (4) sit across the street at another restaurant / cafe and watch her come in and then leave when you cancel 30 minutes later.

[BlissDps]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g294474-c166699/Kiev:Ukraine:Scams.html

[Jojosun]

I can't find reference to this scam on the Internet and I've seen it mentioned a few times here. What is it?Read all about it aucasus / topics / how-does-this-scam-play-out Lonely Planet.

Never seen it myself.

[BlissDps]

Of course they want money, goods, and services.

Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex.I'd like to slightly edit this: "Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex and don't pay however they promise to with all kind of BS-stories and the girl has a normal trust in people so she gives the benefit of the doubt by giving the sex but later they run away, aka scammers / aferists / cheaters".

To me it wouldn't sound as complaining in that case, but as a warning indeed.

[Stevie69]

The version I have seen is similar but not quite like that. A guy will rush past you and drop a think wad of cash. They count on your good will and honesty and expect that you will pick it up, walk quickly after him, and warn return it he dropped a wad of cash. He will then thank you and then point out that there weer TWO wads of cash, or that some of it is missing. Then it can take many forms: searching your belongings, calling upon "witnesses" who will swear you picked up two wads of cash, calling a "policeman" who is conveniently standing near-by, or other variations. It happens to me at least once per week. I just keep walking, and smile at the guy as he turns around after a few steps when he "realizes" that he dropped his money. I wish I had the courage to "accidentally" kick the wad of cash into traffic or into a crowd.


https://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g294474-c166699/Kiev:Ukraine:Scams.html

[Stevie69]

Yes, that is called regular dating.

However, I just read a new definition of sexual assault, I think in Canada, whereby it is considered to be sexual assault if the woman is deceived into having sex with a man. Imagine if the law is applied to its fullest extent. If you promise to marry her, tell her you live her, or simply that you are the quarterback of the New England patriots, and she has sex with you because of that, then technically, it is sexual assault. That is why Eastern Europe is still the best; if a girl has sex with you told her that you are an astronaut, the last man who walked in the moon, then it is her problem.

When dealing with professionals or semi-pros, all you have to do is maintain control, not overpay, and use your brain.


I'd like to slightly edit this: "Imagine if the girls had a parallel forum, just like this one, and one girl, instead of participating in the discussion, just kept complaining that men are interested in sex and don't pay however they promise to with all kind of BS-stories and the girl has a normal trust in people so she gives the benefit of the doubt by giving the sex but later they run away, aka scammers / aferists / cheaters".

To me it wouldn't sound as complaining in that case, but as a warning indeed.

[LilJoey]

Gentlemen, (using the term loosely),

In the midst of all the nay-saying and yay-saying about the merits of Kiev mongering, which are all mere opinions, and not supported with facts / photos, it might be interesting for you to read about a dream I had about meeting this hot-body Ukrainian woman in Kiev. She remains the most sexually incredible woman you could ever be with. And I just thought it would be useful to illustrate the possibilities in Kiev with actual facts. You can draw your own conclusions and opinions.

I will not go into detail about many dream sessions, except to tell about how she is exceptionally good as a sexual partner. While fucking, she will very quickly reach an orgasm. Her orgasms are intense and overwhelm her body. She squirts when she orgasms, or rather she gushes a lot of cum. And she can keep going, and has multiple orgasms, one after the other, if you have the ability to keep fucking her.

And for those of you who know how to use your tongue with great skill to pleasure a woman, this girl's body rocks when she explodes from good oral, and it takes her to levels of orgasmic ecstasy hardly even imagined by a guy.

What can I say? This girl is truly unique among most women, in that she very quickly reaches orgasm, has multiple orgasms one after another with a little respite in between, and gushes like a faucet cumming all over you if she is fucking you cowgirl or reverse cowgirl, or cumming all over the bed, couch or floor, as the case may be, in other positions.

I'm going to post a link to her current mamba. Ru profile here, so that all you sexually starved guys can see how sexy she is.

Mamba. Ru / mb1752312478/ albums.

Her personality is very conservative and Ukrainian good old fashioned family oriented. She has a sensitive heart. She is really a good girl. She is not a wild girl, or a hardened cynical prostitute who goes to nightclubs, and knows the professional prostitute scene. She is somewhere between a novice, and a semi-pro. But she is a sexual Amazon. A real Ukrainian woman. She needs some economic help. So she has turned to the opportunities in mamba, to find a sugar daddy or rich boyfriend to help with her needs.

Don't write to her if you are an abusive asshole who likes to demean women, or if you are a sexual pervert who thinks of women as chattel. Only gentleman should write to her, considerate and generous men whose only desire in the bedroom is to give great pleasure to the woman they are with.

Only men who want to experience an encounter with a woman who will make them feel like a sexual god, because she will orgasm so much from you, that your head will spin. And you will know that you have never been with a woman who could make you feel so glorious like this before.

No, I say, there are still wonderful gems to be found in Kiev. I share with you, this one. (The others I keep to myself to enjoy. You must prepare and put in the necessary preparation time and effort, if you want to achieve success in a Kiev visit.).

Enjoy.

LJ.

[Rugan]

I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. That worked out as a very sweet deal. (So far. I do agree with something I read somewhere that Kiev girls are only around until a better deal comes along. Often from an overpaying monger giving a months wages for a session).

I'd agree that Kiev isn't a good place to come on a budget for a short or even medium term stay. There are strata (s) in Kiev with very different economics. If you're an English speaker looking on the internet on relaxkiev to find girls you'll be assaulted with with fake profiles and girls who aren't attractive. You might find they give great service however, or not.

If you're happy to pay foreigner rates of $100-300 then you can have a good time I'm sure.

Looking at the economics: wages in Kiev vary between 4 k-20 k uah per month (127 eur-650 eur / mo). 4 k is your shop girl and 20 k is your lower management level.

I managed to shoulder surf my PA's facebook and see that see is charging the locals 350 uah for sex. Personally I think she is a solid 8, you could argue me down to a 7 but not below. I believe that was also an increase in her rates shortly after I started paying her. So your local's rate for a cute and diligent girl is less than 350 grivna.

What I'm paying her is an attractive rate by local standards of 8 k / mo for 8 h / day as a PA (250 euro / mo) and an optional additional 8 k for blowjobs. 400 uah (14 euros) per blowjob, and she's darn good at them. I've got quite good data on local pay rates. She's pretty, she could be smarter as a PA but the overlap between girls willing to give BJs for bonuses and the girls with high intelligence is small.

Before I came I saw a lot of what seemed like contradictory reports. You've definitely got the mongers inflating prices. Anything above about 1000 uah for sex is laughable - 1000 uah is a weeks wages for most girls. But what we are willing to pay defines the market. We only have ourselves to blame.

I've seen some people biting at people who say having game is key in Kiev. Saying this is a forum for pay 4 play. This is I think where people make the mistake. If you have enough about you to offer the local shop girl 1000 uah. Probably via suggesting a coffee first. You'll be on to a winner in most cases. I'm still struggling to see how the economics even fits together here. From my back of an envelope figures most girls can't pay rent, heating and eat. Nevermind buy clothes. Without a sponsor. The price of a 16 pack of toilet roll is a day's wages for a checkout girl.

If you're approaching Kiev from a "turn up and search on the internet" perspective. I would say you're fucked. You'll probably have a bad time unless budget / time is no issue. The internet doesn't seem to be a particularly good way to find girls here. If you think 200+ euros for the girls on Gai is a good deal you may disagree of course. But you'd find a waitress who was just as hot for 10% of the price.

If you have the looks and social skills to pick up your local waitress / checkout girl you can have a great time.

That will be my focus. Still p4 p most likely, because I like things simple. But avoiding the internet and going for in person random introductions.

I think we do have people on the forum here who put so much time into naysaying Kiev that it's obviously suspicious. But interestingly I do find myself agreeing that it probably isn't a great mongering destination unless you have one of: money / game / connections / time.

If anyone has local girls they would like to swap contacts for by PM that would be great. I'll keep them at local rates and I'll be here a couple of months and happy to swap back contacts at the end.

[Member #4722]

Thanks for your contribution!

[Stevie69]

Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?

When I go, I go for up to 3 weeks, but I have never had the foresight to hire a sexy "assistant". I bet the "interviews" were interesting in themselves.


I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. ....

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[Jonathan Pine]

I've been in Kiev a week and a half. But I did a lot of groundwork before I came here.

I did hire a PA. In fact I hired a local HR person to select interview candidates and spent the first couple of days interviewing girls to be my PA. That worked out as a very sweet deal.This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.

[Rugan]

Thank you for an honest report. That is what I have been saying all along.

How long will you be there?Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady.

I'll be here for two months, maybe more if I can survive the weather. Although there's a plus side to that weather as the heating bill for a winter month is 4000 uah. Which is a months salary for your basic jobs. So I expect there to be even more interest in earning some extra cash from the girls in winter.

I'd be happy to chat more in private with you.

[Rugan]

This is such a brilliant idea! I never thought about that before.

By the way, did you just tell the HR person outright that you are looking for a personal assistant that will also have sex with you?

In a way this makes the HR person kind of like a pimp doesn't it? So how did he / she find the potential PAs?

How did you find the HR person?

I think what've done is fantastic I'd love to do this as well. Would love if you can elaborate more how you pulled this off. Thanks.I'm not going to go into details about how I managed it. I've already shared more than perhaps I should in such a public forum. But I learned a lot from the posts here and felt it right to share back. I do hope the people reading this don't make a mess you're making me nervous about sharing the good stuff. Overenthusiastic mongers!

I'm still understanding the people here but subtlety and taking your time certainly seems to be key.

It took time and diligence. It seems Kiev is a flower that opens slowly. It took me about three weeks to put this together. If you're not coming for a significant period. Forget about it.

[John]

This was my second trip to Kiev. In short will I return. Definitely yes. Trip started Oct 9 and ends tomorrow October 14. I have done about 4 really nice looking girls this trip. Rest of them were average. It takes time to navigate Kiev. In Short if you staying or walking on Karshchatek street look out for agents. Don't settle on one agent. Look for different agents who will introduce you to different apartments. Normal cost is 2000 hrivna which is about $75 approx for nicer looking girls. Mamba girls mostly will ask $130 for one hours but I offered $100 to $130 for 2 hrs and those who accepted I saw them. There were girls on Mamba asking $300 and up but I did not partake. That is mostly guys who feel that there is better quality of girls for higher price. I beg to defer.

Rest if some one says that Kiev is not worth coming over IMHO they can stay away. I am definitely coming back. As per sharing numbers best thing I can do for you guys is share numbers of the agents as most girls will not give me their personal numbers and those who do I rather not forward as there is no need.

From 2000 + 100 taxi. Girls will only receive 600 to 700 hrivnas. Rest 400 to 500 hrivna goes to agent. And balance in my opinion is shared between owner of the house and public officials. I wish this country prostitution will become legal. If that was to happen we can see significant increase of working girls in mamba and social media.

Regards,

John.

[LuisVega11]

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Is it worthy to go to Kyiv? Are the best times over? Questions and answers continue coming in. IMO every opportunity in every country is a gamble, yet with different chances. What factors affect our chances for better outcome? Length of stay, being prepared in a meaningful way, speaking local language. BTW, every girl speaks Russian, and now younger ones increasingly use Ukrainian, which is fun to learn. To some degree money helps.

What is the magic formula to measure perceived happiness per unit of funds invested in entertainment? It is somewhat subjective, yet your own attitude determines quite a bit. If one visibly suspects a cheater in every beauty walking into his life, and allows this to come across in a rather obvious way, then it's difficult to expect the above mentioned "Oscar-level GFE performance" in return. I am far from the thought of idolizing, and rules of engagement must be established rather firm from the very beginning. At the same time, sincerely enjoying the company of new acquaintance goes a long way in unfolding the true potential.

It is still possible to like this City a lot, it keeps changing, evolving, just like most of us do.

[Tomek123]

Yes, I noticed the quality of your posts.

The interviews were good fun. Not as much fun as my mind played them out to be. I'd bought some gifts for girls who were willing to demonstrate the quality of their blowjobs at the interviews. But the vibe wasn't quite there. There is a kinky part of me that was very satisfied by being able to say I expect to get my cock sucked as part of the job though and it was delicious to watch the girls' various reactions. I never thought I'd ever get to say something like that to a girl. I interviewed six girls and only one said no. But that is to be expected as they'd be filtered by my HR lady..Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?

[PhotoSlider]

Sometimes after the initial encounter ladies decide to stay overnight on their own accord, and not because of my hot looks, or for some other altruistic reasons. This doesn't happen too frequently, yet it did. More so in Kiev and Rio-de-Janeiro (the real one, not the strip club on Khmelnitskogo), also in few Latin American localities.

Individual undertakers have more freedom to do so, rather than salon employees. Why do they stay? -- For more variety in life and good fun, of course! For better accommodations, food and drinks, romance, champagne in jacuzzi, certain entertainment, intelligent conversation (with those capable of it), and especially for us gentlemen treating them ladies as human beings, not as commodities.

In Brazil, for example, it was as simple as desire of a girl to stay in a nice place instead of taking a long way back to favela the Rocinha. Same happened in Rio Club Kiev, instead of the shared room in the dorm, mademoiselle decided to relax right here and now, sleep in, and for the next 10 days refused to go back to work altogether. Management called her repeatedly, perhaps advertising availability of one of ISG members reading this now (yes, some of you are my "tunnel brothers") and she replied in a whimsical tone: "I don't want too. I'm with my friend".

This is not to dismiss the joys of finding a rare diamond in the rough for just one or two hours by pure luck, or by persistence in trial and error process. Make no mistake, I did have my share or misfortunes, when girl was not smart, not polite or just plain lazy. On 2-3 occasions I kicked the less than qualified ones directly from the bed and out the door, - certainly allowing to put their clothes on. Now you decide if the above justifies a trip to Kiev.

[Rugan]

Sorry could you clarify how it looked from the outside? You came to the casting with a dildo or banana?Heh, no, I came with a bunch of vouchers for pedicures. Did the interviews in a cafe just next to my place. I was advised by mr HR girl that it was a good idea to do the interviews somewhere public, or the girls would get uncomfortable about turning up for the interview. I was planning to offer the girls the vouchers to come back to mine and demonstrate their skills. I think it's probably going a bit far though. The mindset the girls were in was interview mode, bit hard to switch over to cock sucking mode from that. I was giving them tests of their research skills. One girl was up for it but she wasn't someone I would hire, or particularly fuck.

[Rugan]

So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly.

They were plying a big game about how the 'minimum price' at the places they would take me to was 100 $. I noticed one of the recent posts said the price in the apartments is 75 $.

What was interesting to me was the taxi driver after a bit of chat to show I had some knowledge of local prices is that he said "I know places with different prices". And gave me the option to say if I wanted expensive girls or cheaper girls.

He took me first to a place where he said the price was 3000 (uah) for an hour. There were four girls, all a similar level. 6-8. Nothing especially hot, or less than hot either. I took one girl there who was a student from another town, new to Kiev. She said she was 19 - so I'd guess a fresher.

Service was pretty in line with my experience in Kiev so far. She knew how to suck a cock and she wasn't in any hurry to finish up oral and move on to sex like the girls I've experienced in other countries. Is it normal in Ukraine for the girls to just happily suck away until told otherwise? That's my experience so far and I must say I like it.

The rate for an uncovered BJ was negotiated in the room and she pulled a bit of a fast one on me. Before my driver left she said 3000 no condom. But once I was in the room it was now 1500 extra for BBBJ. I told her was too much and I would leave, and she went out to tell the host I'd cancelled. But I caved and said OK.

So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

[PhotoSlider]

...So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?...You are contradicting your own prior statement of "Anything over 1000 UAH is laughable". Either you were too horny (and she played well enough with your other head to extort this much), or too drunk, or you made up this story to see how Forum would react.

I myself have been in similar circumstances before departure to the airport, when after already having two different ones that day, I insisted on absolutely definitely having yet another right this very moment, just because. Didn't have enough time to think it through, and paid rather dearly. As it is random stochastic process, - they may not be the most beautiful and accommodating, but their handlers and dispatchers are great psychologists.

[Jonathan Pine]

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you.

[Member #4722]

Great advice. Met a guy on my last trip it was his first visit to Ukraine. He was looking for love on real dating sites and brought this girl her requested $1000 coach bag on thier first and only date and he didn't get any more than a kiss.

That being said I met a girl that rocked my world and we have been messaging pretty regularly. She hasn't asked me for anything so I think I'm going to send her an amazon uk gift card for her bday as a surprise and to hopefully cement my position when I come to Kiev next time.


Of course girls will agree to meet you if you promise them expensive gifts!

You need to make sure that girls aren't meeting you solely for free meals and gifts. Believe it or not, quite a few girls will use foreign guys just so they can dine at fancy (or not even fancy) restaurants with no intention at all of ever dating you. Unless you meet the girls to discuss a sponsorship deal, don't give them gifts when you meet them the first time. There are so many posts, or rather, warnings about gift giving on the board.

You can buy them expensive gifts, but only after they sleep with you, or at least heavy makeout session which you believe will lead to sex very soon.

By offering them something first without them ever proving anything to you, you'll only bring out their worst transactional nature. And they'll also think that you're a fool and lose all respect for you.

It's a terrible strategy to gets dates.

You've been warned. But I wish you good luck.

But you have my respect pulling off finding a PA that blows you..

[John]

Going rate is 1800 for decently looking girls.


So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly.

They were plying a big game about how the 'minimum price' at the places they would take me to was 100 $. I noticed one of the recent posts said the price in the apartments is 75 $.

What was interesting to me was the taxi driver after a bit of chat to show I had some knowledge of local prices is that he said "I know places with different prices". And gave me the option to say if I wanted expensive girls or cheaper girls.

He took me first to a place where he said the price was 3000 (uah) for an hour. There were four girls, all a similar level. 6-8. Nothing especially hot, or less than hot either. I took one girl there who was a student from another town, new to Kiev. She said she was 19 - so I'd guess a fresher.

Service was pretty in line with my experience in Kiev so far. She knew how to suck a cock and she wasn't in any hurry to finish up oral and move on to sex like the girls I've experienced in other countries. Is it normal in Ukraine for the girls to just happily suck away until told otherwise? That's my experience so far and I must say I like it.

The rate for an uncovered BJ was negotiated in the room and she pulled a bit of a fast one on me. Before my driver left she said 3000 no condom. But once I was in the room it was now 1500 extra for BBBJ. I told her was too much and I would leave, and she went out to tell the host I'd cancelled. But I caved and said OK.

So back at my phone and doing the math. That was 170 $ for an hour with BBBJ. Which I'm guessing I could have got for a lot cheaper. Everyone inside the place was saying 3000 uah was the standard covered price and I kind of believe it.

Any thoughts?

On the other side of things I'm working a few girls I met in less obviously transactional settings. It seems Ukrainian girls generally don't fuck before the third date. They want someone who shows an interest in their well being with gifts and taking them to things like dinner. That they can no way afford on their own. But the girls aren't open to a transactional conversation off the bat. They require you to be subtle and oblique. I was chatting with one girl today and asked her if she'd be interested in going for coffee the next day. Her response was lukewarm but as soon as I mentioned I had some gifts I could see she was having an inner battle. I've chosen makeup as my suggested gift of choice. Ukraine is a place where the girls feel the need to be pretty. They seem to much more easily shift into the mindset of "this guy is fun to hang out with and I get gifts (they couldn't otherwise afford)" than a conversation about money for sex. I bet more girls would be up for a couple of dates and a gift back at the apartment. Than would be open to a conversation about money for sex. Even if the amount I offered them was six times as much as the gift was worth.

[Stevie69]

Two comments. First, are you sure that when you said "gift" they did not just assume cold hard cash? Even if agreed-upon after extensive negotiations, semi-pros tend to refer to the money as a "gift". That, way, they avoid thinking of themselves as prostitutes. Second, and someone else already mentioned this, you definitely went overboard on your own suggestions for a reasonable price.


.........So I just asked the bouncers at my local club to find me girls. I was kind of expecting them to find me a girl from their own club, but they ordered me a taxi driver that knows the apartments instead. I'd suggest if you're looking for a local guide to just ask a bouncer at some club that has hookers. I asked the guys at Coyote Ugly...............mes as much as the gift was worth.

[PhotoSlider]

What is a better option for a short term visitor?

Rio can be boring sometimes: sitting there one hour after another, watching them ladies go through their routine. Then noticing Albina, realizing that in June 2014 she was so marvelous in bed, the best of 6 ladies in 36 hours from landing at Borispyl until departure to Amsterdam. And now she gained few pounds, and there's no spark in her eyes tonight. For some reasons asking her: "Do you remember? And she honestly says: "Nope" - not even a hint of an emotion. And I respect her honesty.

Then the next night around 2-3 am, saying goodbye to redhead freelancer Maya at my apartment, with brut champagne inspiring for more adventures, saying to Maya: "I'll go for a walk. " and she says: "Not a good idea. ", after which I am even more motivated. Going on foot around the corner to Rio, and the second pick looks straight eye-to-eye, there's chemistry, and 20 minutes after I see her wide smile in my kitchen, making acquaintance.

And then a year later we are still friends, because she has such a great personality, and is so much fun! Her stage name was Valentina, she quit Rio in 2015-2016.

Rio is not bad at all, but can get expensive. To be continued.

[Sorbonne]

What is a better option for a short term visitor?

Scarlet Club.

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Scarlet Club.Is it better than Mandarin?

[Jekalat]

Hi all,

Rio club. I think the best.

http://rioclub.kiev.ua/en/

Scarlette. Second most interesting club.

http://scarlette.kiev.ua/en/

All these clubs have more than 100 dancers.

Mandarin Club is closed now.

In other clubs in Kyiv, a maximum of 15-20 girls. Bad choice.

Now I'm in Kyiv, if you have questions, ask. I'm going to be in Rio.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

Anyone who have taken girls home from Dolls Club or Harem?

I have visited the clubs many times. I like it. Harem is nice.

I know it is possible to take girls home from this club but I never tried because of the 300 $ price.


Scarlet Club.

[Sorbonne]

Is it better than Mandarin?

Mandarin is closed. Scarlet indeed took place of Mandarin, with similar but more modern acts.

To answer your question, yes, I do think Scarlet is better. Mandarin was actually somewhat outdated stylistically...Call it Soviet.

I may be partial to Scarlet, because I took a girl there to Turkey.

[Hedonist]

Hi, LilJoey,

This sort of engagement is much more interesting than wham bam thank you ma'am transactions you get from pros. My question is how much and for what do you pay in this sort of semi-professional arrangement? Did you meet only for sex or did she hang out with you for drinks, dinner, walks etc? I would appreciate if you could share some pointers as to how to structure the transaction.

Many thanks.


Gentlemen, (using the term loosely),

In the midst of all the nay-saying and yay-saying about the merits of Kiev mongering, which are all mere opinions, and not supported with facts / photos, it might be interesting for you to read about a dream I had about meeting this hot-body Ukrainian woman in Kiev. She remains the most sexually incredible woman you could ever be with. And I just thought it would be useful to illustrate the possibilities in Kiev with actual facts. You can draw your own conclusions and opinions.

I will not go into detail about many dream sessions, except to tell about how she is exceptionally good as a sexual partner. While fucking, she will very quickly reach an orgasm. Her orgasms are intense and overwhelm her body. She squirts when she orgasms, or rather she gushes a lot of cum. And she can keep going, and has multiple orgasms, one after the other, if you have the ability to keep fucking her.

And for those of you who know how to use your tongue with great skill to pleasure a woman, this girl's body rocks when she explodes from good oral, and it takes her to levels of orgasmic ecstasy hardly even imagined by a guy.

What can I say? This girl is truly unique among most women, in that she very quickly reaches orgasm, has multiple orgasms one after another with a little respite in between, and gushes like a faucet cumming all over you if she is fucking you cowgirl or reverse cowgirl, or cumming all over the bed, couch or floor, as the case may be, in other positions.

I'm going to post a link to her current mamba. Ru profile here, so that all you sexually starved guys can see how sexy she is.

Mamba. Ru / mb1752312478/ albums.

Her personality is very conservative and Ukrainian good old fashioned family oriented. She has a sensitive heart. She is really a good girl. She is not a wild girl, or a hardened cynical prostitute who goes to nightclubs, and knows the professional prostitute scene. She is somewhere between a novice, and a semi-pro. But she is a sexual Amazon. A real Ukrainian woman. She needs some economic help. So she has turned to the opportunities in mamba, to find a sugar daddy or rich boyfriend to help with her needs.

Don't write to her if you are an abusive asshole who likes to demean women, or if you are a sexual pervert who thinks of women as chattel. Only gentleman should write to her, considerate and generous men whose only desire in the bedroom is to give great pleasure to the woman they are with.

Only men who want to experience an encounter with a woman who will make them feel like a sexual god, because she will orgasm so much from you, that your head will spin. And you will know that you have never been with a woman who could make you feel so glorious like this before.

No, I say, there are still wonderful gems to be found in Kiev. I share with you, this one. (The others I keep to myself to enjoy. You must prepare and put in the necessary preparation time and effort, if you want to achieve success in a Kiev visit.).

Enjoy.

LJ.

[Rugan]

Going rate is 1800 for decently looking girls.Cheers John. Is that covered or BBBJ? I hear BBBJ is usually 20-50% extra?

[Volpone]

Cheers John. Is that covered or BBBJ? I hear BBBJ is usually 20-50% extra?Rugan, there is no precise price to get a decent girls in these private flats. However the higher you get in prices, you will usually get better quality, but that's not often the case. I went in about 10 private flats in Kiev and I saw some really decent girls for around 600-1000 UAH for 30 min. Or 1000-1600 UAH for 1 hour. That was the price 3 years ago. Of course without BBBJ. So now you must expect around 1000 UAH till 2000 UAH for average and good quality. Anyway the only way to know is to call them, to get the address and to go there. If you don't like what you see, you just leave. Be aware that some girls don't agree for 30 minutes.

[Rugan]

You are contradicting your own prior statement of "Anything over 1000 UAH is laughable". Either you were too horny (and she played well enough with your other head to extort this much), or too drunk, or you made up this story to see how Forum would react.

I myself have been in similar circumstances before departure to the airport, when after already having two different ones that day, I insisted on absolutely definitely having yet another right this very moment, just because. Didn't have enough time to think it through, and paid rather dearly. As it is random stochastic process, - they may not be the most beautiful and accommodating, but their handlers and dispatchers are great psychologists.Too horny. It was also Sunday and my guide was telling me he only had a couple of apartments that had any girls in. One place for 3000 uah that had four girls in and one other one with just a couple of girls. After a week of playing the three dates game and other time consuming things trying to find a cute 19 yr old I was just loosing my price sensitivity for an evening.

What's annoying me about Kiev is I'm trying to focus on work and I don't want to be investing so much time finding girlfriends. I'm working on finding cunning ways to delegate that. It seems the 'finder' and the skipping all the pickup and dating is what you pay for. It's 50% to the house so a 2000 uah girl via a madam is really 1000 uah.

Thanks for the tips guys about avoiding giving out gifts too early.

[Rugan]

You are contradicting your own prior statement of "Anything over 1000 UAH is laughable". Either you were too horny (and she played well enough with your other head to extort this much), or too drunk, or you made up this story to see how Forum would react.I should qualify that statement: anything over 1000 uah for 1) a girl who has a day job and 2) you're negotiating directly with her yourself. It just follows from the wages anyone outside of IT is paid here.

Does anyone fancy checking out Scarlet / Rio in the next few days? I'm not intending to make a regular thing of those prices but I want to check out the hottest girls, so my 1-10 calibration is better.

I'll be at Lviv fashion show after that if anyone is there.

[Volpone]

Rugan, there is no precise price to get a decent girls in these private flats. However the higher you get in prices, you will usually get better quality, but that's not often the case. I went in about 10 private flats in Kiev and I saw some really decent girls for around 600-1000 UAH for 30 min. Or 1000-1600 UAH for 1 hour. That was the price 3 years ago. Of course without BBBJ. So now you must expect around 1000 UAH till 2000 UAH for average and good quality. Anyway the only way to know is to call them, to get the address and to go there. If you don't like what you see, you just leave. Be aware that some girls don't agree for 30 minutes.Well I wanted to write: " but that's not always the case".

I can add that in one of these private flats 3 years ago, there were different prices for girls. So one of them wanted 600 UAH and another one 800 UAH. One girl, the prettiest, even didn't agree with a Cunilingus, even not with an extra. For the other one, that was included in the price. Girls have the right to chose also how much they want for BBBJ or even to decline. In Odessa this year I could find only 3-4 places up to 50 different places mentionning BBBJ including in the price.

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700, so I would not get your hopes up. It just makes no sense if they are average to above average they have many options for clients. Hell they can go to Marriage Sites and get paid between $40-70 each date, even more depending of the negotiating skills. (No Sex) They can also do on-line chats and make decent money.


Well I wanted to write: " but that's not always the case".

I can add that in one of these private flats 3 years ago, there were different prices for girls. So one of them wanted 600 UAH and another one 800 UAH. One girl, the prettiest, even didn't agree with a Cunilingus, even not with an extra. For the other one, that was included in the price. Girls have the right to chose also how much they want for BBBJ or even to decline. In Odessa this year I could find only 3-4 places up to 50 different places mentionning BBBJ including in the price.

[Rugan]

What's a fair price to pay a taxi driver who takes you to an apartment, waits for you for an hour and drops you off home again? I gave him 200 uah last time.

[LilJoey]

Hi, LilJoey,

This sort of engagement is much more interesting than wham bam thank you ma'am transactions you get from pros. My question is how much and for what do you pay in this sort of semi-professional arrangement? Did you meet only for sex or did she hang out with you for drinks, dinner, walks etc? I would appreciate if you could share some pointers as to how to structure the transaction.

Many thanks.The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly. $300 for 2 hours is a rate of $150/ hour. But $300 for 10 or 12 hours, including sex at least twice, can represent a much lower cost per sex event. You can drag out the sex each time for several hours, with oral sex both ways, Cuny and BBBJ, 69, and fucking different positions, with really no time limit, two hour or three hour sex session, as your own physical limitations dictate. And do it again in the morning, if you are capable. So $300 for a night like that, really isn't such a bad deal, especially if the girl is a real beauty. So think about what's included, before rejecting a $300 demand on mamba out of hand. Because if you can get a night such as described from it, it may be very worth it.

That being said, I usually first establish that the girl's demand for $300, is intended as the price for a night. Remember, that $300 is the average monthly salary for most in Kiev. So the girl is probably just throwing out this big number as a gamble, in the hopes that a dummy tourist will say yes. Don't be that dummy. If she wants $300, then she must give on the amount of time, and nothing less than all night, with sex again in the morning, makes any sense cost-wise. If she doesn't agree thatvher price is for all night, then pass on her. But once she agrees that $300 is her price for the whole night, then deflect that with the following approach, and say that a first date is not appropriate for an all night date, and it is more appropriate that your first meeting be for a short meeting of several hours. Then you are in a position to offer only a portion of the all night $300 price, for a session of several hours in the evening. In this way you may wind up with a $300 demand girl, agreeing to $150 for several hours in the evening for first date. Once you have fucked a girl the right way, and IF she likes what you did with her and enjoys sex with you, you may be able to negotiate better terms on repeat dates.

However, all this being said, the price range I feel is achievable on mamba, based upon my experience, is between $100 to $150 for 2 - 3 hours.

And let me tell you why this is better than other mongering destinations. Let's take the FKK clubs of Frankfurt Germany, for example. These are my favorite other places to monger. The price at Oase is 50 euro for half hour, which is 100 euro per hour. Add to that the entrance fee of around 70 euro. So if you contrast that with the prices possible in Kiev, you will see that Kiev is about HALF the price of the FKK clubs. In FKK club an hour is 100 euro plus entrance fee. In Kiev, if you got a girl for) 100 for two hours, the price is $50 per hour, which is half the price of the prices in the FKK. If you got a mamba girl for a few hours for $150, then if she only stays two hours, it works out to $75/ hour, which is around 2/3 the FKK price. And if the Kiev girl stays with you more than two hours, like three or more hours, then the price in Kiev is very much lower than in the FKK's. I know I'm not being exact because the euro and the dollar are not equivalent, and other fine tuning can be applied to this calculation. But the point remains essentially true. Kiev is a cheaper destination than even the vaunted FKK's and the level of beauty possible to attain in the Kiev girls is just as good as in the FKK's. Ukrainian hot girls versus Romanian hotties. Who is to say which is better? I love them both. But for unit price, Kiev is lower cost. So I decidedly do not dismiss Kiev as a mongering destination, because of the beauty there and the intrinsic value in it as a mongering destination. Kiev does require more effort to succeed on mamba, than going in to an FKK, where the naked hotties are all around you for the picking. But prices are better in Kiev.

Use your heads, and don't be deterred by the nay-sayers on this board.

LJ.

[Rugan]

Well I wanted to write: " but that's not always the case".

I can add that in one of these private flats 3 years ago, there were different prices for girls. So one of them wanted 600 UAH and another one 800 UAH. One girl, the prettiest, even didn't agree with a Cunilingus, even not with an extra. For the other one, that was included in the price. Girls have the right to chose also how much they want for BBBJ or even to decline. In Odessa this year I could find only 3-4 places up to 50 different places mentionning BBBJ including in the price.Thanks for taking the time to share your experience Volpone.

Well my current taxi / guide says he only knows apartments in the 1500-3000 uah range. He seems very invested in directing me towards the upper end apartments so I can only assume he gets a cut. I'm sure it's already been covered but if anyone cares to elaborate on how the guide / apartments relationship works that would be great. He took me to two places tonight. The first had two girls and was apparently 2000 uah for an hour. Neither were interesting to me. The second was 2500 uah. There were five girls to choose from. Sunday isn't the best night. Two were chubby and the other three were all pretty cute.

So tonight I paid 2500 uah and an extra 1000 uah for BBBJ. $130. The service was, as seems to be the norm here, excellent. I asked her if she kissed which was probably a dumb move as, of course, it turns out she does, but only for extra. Then she said the same for cunnilingus. I suspect giving her a kiss very early in the engagement, maybe even before she gets out of the lounge and into the room would be a smart move.

I'm remain very impressed by the quality of BJs over here. As someone who loves a long BJ this place is a heaven. Back in the FKKs in Germany I put significant effort into finding the girls who could give head for long time. Here it just seems to be a given that the BJ goes on for as long as you want. That in itself was worth the trip.

It was a real girlfriend experience too. I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to Western hookers after this.

So my question is am I overpaying for the apartments? I. E. Is my guide adding a fat slice on to the amount I'm paying at the apartment. Or, can I trust that the apartment's prices are fixed no matter if you're a dumb foreigner bought in by a taxi or someone with more noise?

I'd like to try another guide if someone is willing to share a number. While asking the bouncers at the club was a good quick way to find a guide they did a lot of hand waving about how the prices were going to be $100 *minimum*. With minimum repeated a lot in that kind of overexcited way of someone who has their mind on their cut from the deal. From what someone mentioned to me by PM it seems like $100 is the maximum apartment price, rather than the minimum.

In other news I've been having my PA find girls for me. She posted an advert saying we were looking for models. Which had no shortage of interest. So we've had one or two girls turn up each day for a brief interview. She is genuinely looking for models for a couple of her side projects so the ethics sits well enough with me. Then I've been following up with a message to the cute ones after the interview asking if they are interested in sponsorship. So far we've had one no, one yes who I will meet tomorrow and one who my PA pointedly points out gave an answer that was neither a yes or a no. You need to be careful with the Ukrainian girls not to leave them feeling like hookers, they don't like that. But they definitely want a bit of extra cash.

My view of Ukraine is still that it's a gold mine if you have the time to invest. By this I mean at least a month (bearing in mind that I only put an hour or two a day into expanding my mongering network here). Experience would make it less of course. I've been here a few weeks now and I'm getting close to having a girlfriend or two that I either keep sweet with gifts or pay a local-ish rate for. But it's been a time consuming process. If I was coming for less time the apartments would be the route I would go and I'd be expecting to burn $100 per girl, more if you like BBBJ. If I went down to the clubs after midnight and asked around I could get more for $30. But you need to know how to talk to Ukrainian girls for that.

I would still agree with what I see as the general message on the forum that Ukraine isn't a place for a quick visit. Unless you are willing to pay $100+ for an hour or $300 for places like Rio. But everyone who comes and pays that price does damage the local market. Interesting place. Definitely not as straightforward as I was expecting.

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What's a fair price to pay a taxi driver who takes you to an apartment, waits for you for an hour and drops you off home again? I gave him 200 uah last time.Was he happy? $7.50/ HR seems more than fair for taxi waiting for you, not burning gas.

200 UAH is the rate of my designated tried-and-true driver pickup from the airport. It's about an hour, because he stops by on the way into the city to get me new SIM-card, for currency exchange, and at Bessarabsky market for black caviar and champagne (decadent, I know, but it is sort of my trip to Disneyworld). This driver always knows my flight number through Viber, and usually arrives just in time, even in case of delay, -- very reliable. I even transfer Western Union to him, and he makes reservations at higher class sauna in Vyshgorod (Sobi Club, wasn't bad, $300/ day with personal attendant at the super nice steam room, there was 2 of us in a house that can take perhaps 4 couples, but I wanted privacy).

Last time that driver also made a cool surprise for me. Brought a 20 yo friend of mine from previous visit -- in stockings, high heels, full makeup, and her own suitcase right there at Borispyl curbside. He knew I was going to see her for sure, yet I didn't realize she was that dedicated (I guess there's competition in Kiev). Her arrival certainly limited my diversity after checking in together, yet I didn't complain at all).

On another occasion in 2011, on the way to departure from the airport, I had a different, totally unknown taxi driver staying with my luggage for an hour outside of "Star Rhinoceros" (a great strip club at the time), while having good fun with Marilyn Monroe look-alike. It was cheap.

Try "red taxi" - no complaints. Basic rule is same as anywhere in the world: establish taxi fare before it gets going. With private drivers I always bargain. Red Taxi and Yandex send it in advance via SMS. Some cab companies charge by the route- end to end, which is good with Kiev traffic jams. Others do by time and mileage. You can also escalate red taxi for more money, sort of like Uber.

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Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700...Not everybody is that industrious to setup their own webcam. Usually new arrivals get lured in certain established structures, with 50% markup.

For 600-800 once in a blue moon you will get a sincere peasant girl from remote village, and incomparable entertainment during the first 2-3 weeks of her stay in Kiev. Then lady friends will explain her how to milk us better, and the magic pixie dust disappears in the air. Usually though for 800 UAH it's not even the looks, it's the attitude: ". Aren't you done yet?

In September 2016 for 1500 UAH / HR I had an intelligent gorgeous 175 cm tall beauty. I probably worked up a reputation with a certain consolidation provider, that worked mostly with students. Exchange rate hasn't changed much since, and in my book she was easily a 9, if not 10, -- the highlight of the whole trip! For me foreplay conversation, and the way she made love has been out of this world. Especially when in the heat of the moment she exclaimed: "For kissing it's 500 UAH extra! And I could only respond with a smile: "There are no pockets on me at the moment, would you take my word for it?" In my book real passionate tender kissing is so much more intimate than BBBJ. 2 hours + 200 UAH taxi = came down to $70/ HR - 1750 UAH. Chances of seeing one like that? Honestly, no higher than 20%. And if she feels that partner of the hour is suspicious, or nervous, or somehow doesn't admire her being exceptional, than forget about getting amazing happiness in return.

Don't forget to ask, and if lucky. She'll share direct phone number, and next time either she'll have 25% discount for you)) or she'll become even more accommodating, like coming to you on a short notice, at 7 am in the morning, before classes start at the University, and having aforementioned champagne and caviar for breakfast, and you'll teach her what is the true translation of English expression "morning wood".

There's a good song: "Diamonds and Rust" - I know at least 3 covers. The title itself explains a lot.

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Too horny.Honest man! Well, cab driver wanted to make a quick buck too. Was he telling the truth? As alluded earlier. Kiev is multi-faceted in its ways of separating us from hard earned cash.

Your attempts to concentrate on work certainly deserve respect. Iron will and incredible self-discipline- something I lack in Kiev. Am more of a free-lancer, going with inspiration.

Working in Kiev? While so many of them beauties are strolling around and are available within a phone call and less than hour? Tough call!

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I'll be at Lviv fashion show after that if anyone is there.When do you return back to Kiev? I'd go together to Scarlette, maybe even Rio.

BTW, thanks a lot to all for saving me on a trip to non-existent Mandarin. Well, I am fond of it because its setup, the view from the embankment side reminded River Palace (and all the memories.) Also, IMHO food at Mandarin was much better than at Rio. Girls at the polls were shared between the two venues, but I certainly liked the performance better at Mandarin.

It had more space, and was more of a French cabaret with choreography, and vocal numbers. I doubt anything of sorts existed in Soviet times, even in Kiev. It was a mix between Moulen Rouge and Vegas, but on a classier side. Scarlette may make more money, as it seems geared more towards younger foreign clientele, looks almost like the'Lux, but less crowded, easier to perform transactions, closer location.

Mandarin I could go to with my girlfriend, give her some spare grivnias, and then watch her marching to tip the strippers after 3rd bottle of Brut together. Somehow hard to imagine that much fun at Rio.

Is Scarlette requesting money for table reservations?

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I can add that in one of these private flats 3 years ago, there were different prices for girls. So one of them wanted 600 UAH and another one 800 UAH.3 years ago with different exchange rate of 10-15 UAH for $1 the quoted 600-800 UAH was 40-80 USD. Today it is 1000-2100 UAH. One could certainly shop today in 600-800 UAH range, as already discussed.

Once in June of 2014, at 5:30 am, I was slightly drunk, tired and adventuresome. Buzzed the apartment door far away from downtown. After reaching her bedroom, the lady asked: "Are you here for 400 or 800?" I stated: "The former, 400!" She said: "OK". And performed very well. I doubt anything would have changed, if I answered the latter- 800.

Then I called taxi, she looked out of the window, there were some stray dogs running around. And she said: "You better be careful. Let me go with you to make sure you'll be fine."

[LilJoey]

Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700, so I would not get your hopes up. It just makes no sense if they are average to above average they have many options for clients. Hell they can go to Marriage Sites and get paid between $40-70 each date, even more depending of the negotiating skills. (No Sex) They can also do on-line chats and make decent money.To give you a comparison from apartment prices to mamba prices: $100 for 2 hours is a common price for a good looking girl on mamba. Ru. Since $1 is 26 uah, it means $100 is 2600 uah, and $50 is 1300 uah. So a rate of 1300 uah /1 hour for a pretty good looking girl on mamba. Ru is common.

For the girls on mamba who agree only to $150 for 2 (or 3 hours), then $150 is 3900 uah, or let's say 4000 uah to make it easier to calculate the 1 hour cost, so it means that 1 hour is at a rate of a little below 2000 uah. This is for a quite pretty girl on mamba. Ru who will come to your apartment and have fun with you.

So for the most part, on mamba. Ru, a price range of between 1300 - 2000 uah per hour is possible for a pretty girl, who is a college student, and not an apartment prostitute who has a higher rate of daily fucking of customers.

The disadvantage on mamba is that the girls are mostly using fake pictures, and you must try to get them to send their "real" photos, either on mamba, or better to get their phone numbers and establish contact on Viber or Whatsapp, and have them send pics there. And on those apps, a video call is available, and very easy to do, if they agree, and then you can see exactly what they look like. Whereas in the apartment scenario you can see the girls before choosing, which is an advantage.

LJ.

[Volpone]

Sorry, to beat a broken record, but I can not imagine what these girls look like at 600 and 800 UAH. Maybe you can get a 6 for 2000-2700, so I would not get your hopes up. It just makes no sense if they are average to above average they have many options for clients. Hell they can go to Marriage Sites and get paid between $40-70 each date, even more depending of the negotiating skills. (No Sex) They can also do on-line chats and make decent money.DramaFee, that was 3 years ago. 1000 UAH was around 45 $, so more value than now. I went with one girl 3 times, because I found her attractive. She was around 20 years old. The price was 600 UAH for 30 minutes. Kiss on the mouth, BJ, Cunilingus and sex in different positions was included in the price. In the other flat I had for the same price and the same service a young girl that was working there just a few days. She was working as a nurse and needed just some money right away. She was also pretty. In this flat I saw some other girls and they looked good too, but they wanted more money.

3 years ago I was also in 6 other private flats in Kiev and I didn't stay. All girls I saw in these flats were just average and below.

I totally agree with you that a girl that is average and above has other possibilities to get money like the one you mentionned or virtual sex. However this year in Odessa, I still met some pretty girls in private flats, but price was 1500 UAH for 1 hour.

[DramaFree11]

Good report. Thank you.


DramaFee, that was 3 years ago. 1000 UAH was around 45 $, so more value than now. I went with one girl 3 times, because I found her attractive. She was around 20 years old. The price was 600 UAH for 30 minutes. Kiss on the mouth, BJ, Cunilingus and sex in different positions was included in the price. In the other flat I had for the same price and the same service a young girl that was working there just a few days. She was working as a nurse and needed just some money right away. She was also pretty. In this flat I saw some other girls and they looked good too, but they wanted more money.

3 years ago I was also in 6 other private flats in Kiev and I didn't stay. All girls I saw in these flats were just average and below.

I totally agree with you that a girl that is average and above has other possibilities to get money like the one you mentionned or virtual sex. However this year in Odessa, I still met some pretty girls in private flats, but price was 1500 UAH for 1 hour.

[DramaFree11]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.


The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly..

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I'm not sure I'll be able to go back to Western hookers after this.That is definitely a quote of the year!

Ladies in Kiev are some of the best around the world in selling that make-believe. You seem to enjoy it, Rugan. They feel your sincerety and respond back)) Just make no mistake, they may even convince themselves to believe in a true passion, for about 10-20 seconds, maybe a tad longer.

Also, it seems you had few layers of markup on your way to the ultimate goal: bouncers, cab driver, apartment manager. Maybe more. Each layer had a cut somehow. Out of $130 the provider herself might have had $30-50. Mmmaybe more for extra services you requested. Not sure, perhaps the lack of local language identifies you as an extortion target (and I say it with all respect).

I don't waste time on travel to apartments, and I gamble with them babies coming over to my place for casting outside, in their own transport vehicle. Ask for 2-3-4 to deliver, take 1 or 2. This way sometimes they are students, and pay their own rent, and not agency's. Had better price to earnings ratio on average.

If we go beyond apartment girls, someone wise here defined assessment criteria, that girlfriends use:

1. Does he love me?

2. Does he take care of me?

The latter is only in present tense. Neither "Did he? Nor "Will he? But "Does he- right now, or is time to move on to next?" A promise of bright future plays some significance, yet they are good mind readers.

[MikePop69]

Hi all,

Rio club. I think the best.

http://rioclub.kiev.ua/en/

Scarlette. Second most interesting club.

http://scarlette.kiev.ua/en/

All these clubs have more than 100 dancers.

Mandarin Club is closed now.

In other clubs in Kyiv, a maximum of 15-20 girls. Bad choice.

Now I'm in Kyiv, if you have questions, ask. I'm going to be in Rio.What is the name of the club where the Lux use be. Is there still working gals there.

[LilJoey]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.As anyone who has been in both Kiev and in the FKK's of Germany knows, this statement is completely not the case, and seems to have an agenda. Everyone who visits Kiev is impressed by the high numbers of hot girls walking around all over the place. Just read this forum, and see the many, many comments along these lines.

What is true is that in an FKK club, the girls who will have sex with YOU, are all around you for the taking, at the rate of 50 euro / half hour. And there are many plain looking girls in the FKK's. And there are a smaller percentage of FKK girls who are hot girl next door types. And there are usually some exceptionally pretty girls with great bodies, that are in the FKK's. So it is definitely a great place to have lots of sex fun.

However, for about half the cost, one can do the same sex fun with girls of equivalent prettiness and hot bodies, in Kiev too.

It is true that in Kiev, it takes some effort to make contact with the girls of a high level of hotness, in brothel apartments, or on mamba. Ru website, or from escort websites, or even on the street or in stores, but it is not too hard to do, and many guys on this board have done it, and are continuing to do it.

If you want to pay the same type of rates as are paid in the FKK, of 100 euro / hour plus entrance fee of 70 euro, then you can also go to the Kiev nightclubs, or strip clubs like Rio or Scarlett, and finding hot girls to fuck is certainly easier there. But with some effort, and really not too much, it is possible to find hot girls in Kiev for half the price of the FKK's.

Every trip I make in Europe for mongering, I try to do several days in Kiev, and finish off with one or two nights in the FKK's of Frankfurt. I have been doing that for years. I find that I cannot enjoy more than one or two nights of fucking four or five girls each night for more than two nights in a row. It is a physical limitation for me. So one night of crazy sex in an FKK with four or five girls, is a wonderful way to end off a mongering trip, by fucking until you reach sexual exhaustion that night, and literally can't fuck anymore. For me it is a point reached after doing four and sometimes five sessions in the FKK. My reason is that then, no matter what happened during my several days in Kiev, I am ending off the trip with a sex till you drop extravaganza. And I really love the look of the Romanian girls at Oase. So it's great. Anyways, I feel I am in a very good position to compare the two venues. They each have their positive aspects.

Possibly the negative comment I am responding to, about there not being any girls above a 6 in Kiev, is a result of someone who tried, but did not try armed with all the knowledge amassed on this forum about how to go about trying, so it resulted in a failure to find a hot girl. So there is that caveat. When looking for a hot girl in Kiev on mamba. Ru, there is a strategy which must be employed. The hot girls do not fall into your lap, as they might at an FKK in Germany, or a strip club in Kiev. But rest assured, that hot girls are definitely available in Kiev, and I've been fucking them for years now. Just keep trying and learning from the comments and advice on this board, and I'm certain you will find your way to some great sex with hot girls in Kiev.

LJ.

[MagicSheep74]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.Absolutely agree. There are some very good looking girls in Kiev, but they are not available to the non-Russian speaking tourist. If you go 10 times, you might get lucky with a stunner once. I am not prepared to put some much out, to get so little in return. Any culture that believe's being nice is a weakness, is not a culture worth chasing. The scam mentality that is so prevalent in Kiev, is a complete pain in the ass. For those who believe that mamba and Rio have stunners, good luck to you.

Fro those obsessed with Slavic beauty, I believe Moscow would be better. Although I cannot verify that until early next year.

[Volpone]

There are not only FKKs in Germany. There are also private flats and prices are similar to Kiev if you take the option of 30 minutes, that's largely enough to do your thing. If you feel like having sex again, you can just go in another private flat for another session with another girl. At the end that's usually cheaper than FKKs.

As everyone knows salaries in Kiev are not similar to salaries in Germany. It is interesting to notice that who pays high prices for other services than sex in Kiev? Who pays 40-60 $ for a ride from Borispol airport to the center? Who pays 10-15 $ for a haircut in Kiev? Who pays 15-20 $ for the cleanlady? Who pays 20-30 $ for a Russian private lesson? Who is deeply screwed in Kiev by paying a high amount in the poorest capital of Europe? Yes, you know the answer.

However I would not totally agree with DramaFee when he wrote that it is hard to find more than a 6. There are still pretty girls in Kiev, but I agree that there are less than 10-15 years ago. Furthermore there are more and more chubby girls. Moreover no need to go to Kiev to see some pretty slavic girls, just go to any big cities in Russia or in any city in Eastern Europe. If you like blond girls, just go to Warsaw, I was there this year and really impressed by the girls in the streets. By the way sex in flats in Warsaw is the same price as in Kiev and BBBJ is often included in the price. Where are going many Ukrainian people to settle down and to look for a job? Poland of course. Because they can get a higher salary there. So why sex in flats is so expensive in Ukraine?

[Riina]

If you like blond girls, just go to Warsaw, I was there this year and really impressed by the girls in the streets. By the way sex in flats in Warsaw is the same price as in Kiev and BBBJ is often included in the price. Where are going many Ukrainian people to settle down and to look for a job? Poland of course. Because they can get a higher salary there. So why sex in flats is so expensive in Ukraine?http://chicago.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/lovely-hot-european-chicago-elmwood-park/60704768

http://chicago.backpage.com/WomenSeekMen/ola-sexy-european-blonde-harwood-heights-norridge/51426717

Off topic, but we have a brothel in Chicago that's fed by an organization out in Warsaw. A new Polish girl every month and it's cheap. 170/30 min, sometimes BBBJ, 200/ HR MSOG. Keep in mind prostitution in Poland is geared towards the locals, just like Russia. In Ukraine, foreigners are the market.

[Stevie69]

I agree. When they say 300 USD, or 200, or even 100, I respond that I do not have foreign currency. When they give the price in UAH, they probably realize how ridiculous it is. I tell them want them for one hour, not one month. When they say that it is for one hour, I tell them I am not stupid and and counter with 300 UAH. Sometimes that is it, because they know that one of you guys will pay $300, and sometimes they are open to more reasonable prices. [Deleted by Admin]


The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly. $300 for 2 hours is a rate of $150/ hour. But $300 for 10 or 12 hours, including sex at least twice, can represent a much lower cost per sex event. You can drag out the sex each time for several hours, with oral sex both ways, Cuny and BBBJ, 69, and fucking different positions, with really no time limit, two hour or three hour sex session, as your own physical limitations dictate..

[DramaFree11]

Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.


As anyone who has been in both Kiev and in the FKK's of Germany knows, this statement is completely not the case, and seems to have an agenda. Everyone who visits Kiev is impressed by the high numbers of hot girls walking around all over the place. Just read this forum, and see the many, many comments along these lines.

What is true is that in an FKK club, the girls who will have sex with YOU, are all around you for the taking, at the rate of 50 euro / half hour. And there are many plain looking girls in the FKK's. And there are a smaller percentage of FKK girls who are hot girl next door types. And there are usually some exceptionally pretty girls with great bodies, that are in the FKK's. So it is definitely a great place to have lots of sex fun.

However, for about half the cost, one can do the same sex fun with girls of equivalent prettiness and hot bodies, in Kiev too.

[Gretsu]

Hi,

I skimmed through the posts and it seems like people here have had success finding amateur prostitutes in mamba. Ru From what I read, this is a social network website with more than 10 million users. How feasible is it to find a girl for sex after trying for a whole afternoon? Besides, what's the best strategy? Look for likely prostitutes and just make an offer in the first message, like "$X for the night, do you agree?

[Tomas11]

No need to waste time on mamba and other sites, unless you want to spend time chatting and talking to girls and operators.

If you have Viber or whatsup and know the right channel and phone numbers you will get plenty of semipros who will send you video selfies or selfies and pictures will match 100%, of course, they will charge 2000 uhr or 100 USD some even more but you don't waste time and get what you see.

As one girl told me it is expensive to go to a beautician and go to the gym to keep the body in shape. In some way she is right, Kiev is not a cheap city to live unless you go to Puzata Hata, but girls in Puzata Hata are average at best.

Personally, I prefer a 7 semipro who wants to have sex than a 10 pro who does the job watching at the clock with an alarm clock on with a bad attitude.


Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.

[Guntherus]

Tomas11, can you please explain what is meant by channel? Where do you get plenty of phone numbers from semi-pros if you are not using Mamba. Ru?


No need to waste time on mamba and other sites, unless you want to spend time chatting and talking to girls and operators.

If you have Viber or whatsup and know the right channel and phone numbers you will get plenty of semipros who will send you video selfies or selfies and pictures will match 100%, of course, they will charge 2000 uhr or 100 USD some even more but you don't waste time and get what you see.
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[Japansh]

Thursday, got text message from Mr. Zuma girl who was apologizing and begging me to gave her another chance told her I'm really busy will let her know if I will have time. Met around 5 pm with a girl from Zaporozhye, took her to Alaska for a nice dinner, she was really impressed and happy. Turns out she's former miss Ukraine contestant and model, I didn't believe her till she showed me her pictures and posters. She was in Kiev for few days and was heading to Istanbul where she works with local model agency. I offered to spend rest of the evening with me in my apartment and she asked 400 $. After some jokes and negotiations we agreed on 250 $. She had some restrictions such no cum in mouth and face and no anal besides these it was total GFE experience. Had 2 pops and sent her home.I am in Kiev now, if anyone can help me connect with this girl. Form Zaporozhye I will be extremely grateful, drinks and dinner on me if you are in Kiev.

[Uoykucf]

Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.I'll say: "There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. ".

Everything you wrote is true to reality!

[CallSign Papa]

How feasible is it to find a girl for sex after trying for a whole afternoon? Besides, what's the best strategy? Look for likely prostitutes and just make an offer in the first message, like "$X for the night, do you agree?There are easily 500 posts in this thread alone devoted just to strategies for meeting girls on Mamba. Are you that dumb / lazy / obtuse that you can't use the search function?

[Uoykucf]

Agree with your post 100%, with the exception the girls are way better looking in Germany, there is no comparison. It is very hard and it takes time to find anything above a 6 Kiev In Germany and other destinations, they are all over the places. There is just not that many Top Level Girls in Kiev and there has not been for several years.

Now if your into girls coming and hanging out at your apartment, then Kiev, but that takes a lot of time and energy with all the scams.Germany and other western European countries are definitely the way to go; top girls from all over the world incl. Ukraine are there. Why waste time and money.

[Riina]

Germany and other western European countries are definitely the way to go; top girls from all over the world incl. Ukraine are there. Why waste time and money.I disagree. The German scene is infested with nasty Romi. Few Uki have working rights in Germany. Even if you find them, they're likely spoiled. I prefer mongering in my US city over Germany any day. At least at home, I have the power of the review forums to find new girls eager to suck a dick. That includes Uki that never worked, unlike the worn out skanks in FKKs.

[Horny Monger]

I disagree. The German scene is infested with nasty Romi. Few Uki have working rights in Germany. Even if you find them, they're likely spoiled. I prefer mongering in my US city over Germany any day. At least at home, I have the power of the review forums to find new girls eager to suck a dick. That includes Uki that never worked, unlike the worn out skanks in FKKs.I think you are confused or didn't read his post carefully. He wasn't talking about only Germany's FKK but the whole scene in Germany and the whole western Europe.

[Horny Monger]

I prefer mongering in my US city over Germany any day. At least at home, I have the power of the review forums to find new girls eager to suck a dick.One can never beat the home turf advantage!! Don't even mention all the money one can save on airfare and hotel!

[Rugan]

Ladies in Kiev are some of the best around the world in selling that make-believe. You seem to enjoy it, Rugan.Yes, I certainly do. I don't tend to have sex with hookers because I find the experience a bit odd if the girl isn't in to it. I tend to find the girls who can suck cock for hours and just spend a lot of time with them. So, yes, the Ukrainian GFE approach I am really appreciating.


I don't waste time on travel to apartments, and I gamble with them babies coming over to my place for casting outside, in their own transport vehicle. Ask for 2-3-4 to deliver, take 1 or 2. This way sometimes they are students, and pay their own rent, and not agency's. Had better price to earnings ratio on average.
Interesting, I'll PM you.


If we go beyond apartment girls, someone wise here defined assessment criteria, that girlfriends use:

1. Does he love me?

2. Does he take care of me?

The latter is only in present tense. Neither "Did he? Nor "Will he? But "Does he- right now, or is time to move on to next?" A promise of bright future plays some significance, yet they are good mind readers.Good tip, cheers.

[Rugan]

So why sex in flats is so expensive in Ukraine?I think that's a very interesting question and I'd be interested in the forum's opinion on that.

My assumption is that prices depend on the customer rather than the apartment. If that wasn't the case they would be pricing themselves way above what the local market could afford. They don't seem to be particularly geared up for foreigners. So I assume they do a lot of local business. If I was a local in Kiev and able to pay the kind of prices I've been charged in the apartments then I imagine I would have much better options. Given the general openness of Ukrainian girls to earn a bit of cash. If I was living there long term there is no way I would need to pay $150 for an uncovered BJ or pay per hour.

However, unless it's a well oiled operation, my instinct is that the prices in the flats are fixed and the same for everyone.

It would be interesting if someone living in Kyiv and experienced with the apartments vs someone travelling through compared the prices they paid in any given particular apartment.

[Rugan]

I don't waste time on travel to apartments, and I gamble with them babies coming over to my place for casting outside, in their own transport vehicle. Ask for 2-3-4 to deliver, take 1 or 2. This way sometimes they are students, and pay their own rent, and not agency's. Had better price to earnings ratio on average.I see you don't have PM currently. So from relaxkiev I've got a few numbers for places that have multiple girls. I'm sure I could ask them to send a few girls over to choose from. But how would you get numbers to call for the apartments? I have my taxi take me there at the moment, I could ask for their number when I'm there I guess.

[Volpone]

I see you don't have PM currently. So from relaxkiev I've got a few numbers for places that have multiple girls. I'm sure I could ask them to send a few girls over to choose from. But how would you get numbers to call for the apartments? I have my taxi take me there at the moment, I could ask for their number when I'm there I guess.Easy. There are some websites mentionning phone numbers of many private flats in Kiev (and in the whole of Ukraine). Just read it, make a phone call, get the address. Once there you call again and she will tell you which "padiezd" to enter and the name of the apartment. That's what I did in Kiev and many times in Kharkiv.

[LilJoey]

Good report, but I have to disagree with the part of Hot Girls in Kiev. Sorry, no agenda just speaking the facts. There are just not that many available anymore. As far as meeting girls on-line, that would take major time to find anything above a 6. If 99.5 of the profiles are fake, you are looking at several hours of work, at the minimum. Most guys just do not want to let other member know just how much time they are spending on this. Just not sure if the time is worth it, but I guess it works for you.

Strip Clubs are average at best in Kiev and expensive, but is an option.

Good idea about finishing your trip in Germany.

Good luck.I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev. Because my experience over the last years I have continued to visit Kiev every time I have a business trip to Europe has been just the opposite.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively.

And yes it is true, that in the few weeks before arriving in Kiev, you must spend time writing to different girls on mamba. Ru, in order to correspond with them, weed out the no good ones, get the girls' mobile numbers for Viber or Whatsapp if possible, and schedule meetings with them. But this time spent is definitely worth it IMHO.

Because the mamba profile pics are invariably fake, one step in the communication process must be to ask each girl to send her current and real photos.

Mamba use pointers.

For the sake of those of you struggling to use mamba to find hot girls in Kiev, let's review some basic pointers so that maybe you can get better results.

Mamba is a social website and has many users. In Kiev, a particular aspect of mamba is that girls looking for sponsors are using the site to find sponsors. As well, apartment brothels and escort agencies have also been using mamba to reach clients, because they became aware that many mongers are looking for P4P girls on mamba. This aspect of mamba having P4P girls on it is more pronounced on mamba in Kiev, and you won't find this phenomenon is many other locations in the world. But for Kiev it has been and remains a good resource for P4P.

Mamba has undergone changes over the years, but this only means that we must adapt ourselves and the manner in which we search for girls on the site. In the past girls looking for P4P clients simply wrote in their profiles that they are meeting with guys for material benefits, or some such language. Currently that is mostly not done, and P4P girls are putting in their profiles at the bottom the words "looking for a sponsor". They also have the option to simply leave that space blank. Or they can choose the option which says "not looking for a sponsor and not willing to become one".

I think you should not bother to send any message to girls who list the third option, as there seems to be no point. You can choose to limit your searches only to those girls who list "looking for sponsor" in their profiles. That way you already know you are dealing with a P4P girl, which is helpful in drafting the wording of your messages. But I have found that lately, there is a higher concentration of agencies in this category, and also there are many P4P girls on mamba who do not use the "looking for sponsor" tag in their profiles because they want the plausible deniability of a profile that is not obviously a girl looking for P4P. So the only category to avoid is the girls specifically writing "not looking for sponsor".

(The reason I don't focus only on the looking for sponsor category is that it is infested with agencies or apartment brothels. And the mentality of the persons operating these mamba profiles is infected with the stupidity of Eastern European thinking in dealing with a commercial enterprise. So they routinely will not want to communicate with anyone who is not already in Kiev, on the idea that they don't want to waste their time on anyone who isn't ready to immediately book an appointment. The concept of customer service and marketing / advertising, and developing a customer base has not yet filtered into their pre-soviet socialist mindset, and such capitalist concepts like customer service are a waste of time in their view. I guess they do not realize that there are many potential customers they could market themselves to, by indulging in some communication, who are foreign travelers coming to Kiev and want to have a good time. And so as soon as they perceive that you are not yet in Kiev, they will lose interest in communicating with you, or they may block you, instead of having the brains to cultivate you as a client, and secure an appointment from you. Also because they use multiple listings of profiles on mamba and repetitive listings of the same profiles and therefore they always find themselves in communication with the same customers who are going thru the profiles and writing to different girls whose profiles they like. So instead of simply sending their number again. They will block you, and turn a customer they already had, who had taken their number for use when in Kiev, into a non-customer who will no longer call them because they blocked him and appear to be uninterested in his business. Anyways, the stupidity of the way the agencies handle themselves on mamba is not my interest, only to make you aware of their behaviors so you can avoid. Therefore, do not be perturbed or worried that the profile of the really beautiful girl blocked you for no apparent reason after a polite message, because if there was only one or two photos, and a behavior like that, it is most likely an agency, and not a real girl, and they recognized that they communicated with you before. So now they block you, insuring that you will never become a customer of theirs. Just move on from such economic stupidity, and don't worry about it or get insulted by it.).

Your initial message should contain a polite compliment, a statement that you will be in Kiev for business on a relatively near date not more than a few weeks in the future, possibly a statement that you are frequently in Kiev for business which means you can be a repeat client if service is good, and your desire to meet the lovely lady. If your objective is to isolate those girls interested in P4P, you can do one of two things. You can state that you are happy to help a girl and be a sponsor, if she needs help. Or you can insert a dollar amount you offer for a meeting. I have never put a dollar amount in my initial message, but some mongers on this board do that, probably to shorten the process, since only P4P girls will answer, and only those girls interested in that amount will answer. The girls wanting a lot more will not answer. I don't do it that way, because I want to be able to interest also those girls who do not view themselves as prostitutes, and who want to posture themselves as interested in a real relationship, albeit one with financial help. For this reason, I prefer to posture myself, not as a sex tourist, but rather as a guy looking for a nice girl who wants to make him happy and be friends, and that if I am together with a girl in such an intimate friendship, that of course I will want to help her with her needs. It puts everything on a higher plane for the girl, casting her as a nice girl looking for a friendship with a guy who will care about her and help her. She retains her self respect, and I get her pussy. So I find it more helpful to approach it that way.

You must send an initial message to many girls, because the response rate is dismal, and most will not respond. But some will respond. Your goal now is to confirm if they would like to meet. If they say yes, then the next step is to secure their mobile number. Their number is essential because instant communication via mobile phone is necessary on the day of the meeting, to inform about any delays in arrival time, or to give her instructions on how to find the correct entrance door to a building, or to find each other on the street or a public place, if you initially meet there. It is a disaster waiting to happen, if you cannot reach each other as she is in transit to the meeting. So I never agree to meet with a girl who can't communicate via sms, or viber or whatsapp, and I can use my google translate app to write messages to them in Russian language. Some girls will be resistant to giving their number and will tell you that you can communicate on mamba, or that you should write to them after you arrive in Kiev. They should obviously give their number, because you might call them, and at least they have a chance of you calling them for an appointment. But they are stupid in a business sense. This stupidity is not productive, and as soon as I get such a response I realize I will probably not be able to set up an appointment with that girl. They go to the bottom of my list of possibles, to be tried only if I have some spare time in my fucking schedule in Kiev with more interested girls.

After getting a girl's mobile number for Viber or Whatsapp, you need to ask to see their real photos. You want to see both face and figure in a standing photo, optimally.

The girl may ask how much financial support or sponsorship you will give. Again, you need their real photos, because this in part, depends on the level of the girl's beauty. You can say that you can't say yet exactly, because you haven't met yet, and you don't know how she really looks, or how good she is to be with, or how long the meeting will be, etc. But you can mention a range of possible gifts, you might give to a beautiful girl.

My price range is $300 for the night, including night and morning sessions. I mention that when I want them to hear the larger number so they can Be more interested. But I always say that the first meeting should not be all night, and rather should be a shorter meeting of several hours (2-3 hrs) for which a gift of $100 is good, and if the girl is a great beauty the gift can be up to $150. You can try to be cheaper than this, if you want. But I think for me it is OK to give $100 for several hours, which is half or less than half of what I pay in German FKK's. Also, this is only a range of gift amounts before meeting and seeing the girl in real life.

In negotiating price, remember that if the girl is fixed on receiving a certain dollar amount as a minimum, you can still win if you get her to stay more time, for more sex, reducing the per hour rate. Often a girl wants a certain amount for an hour. But she cares more about the amount of dollars that will go into her pocketbook, than she cares about her time, especially if she is not a pro. Remember salaries in Kiev are between 4000-8000 uah per month. 4000 uah is $150 which is a month to half a month salary for many in Kiev. So she will not quibble about staying for 2 hours, or maybe even 3 hours for that amount.

Once you get a conversation on Viber or Whatsapp going with her, and get her photos, and discuss the gift amount for a short meeting of couple of hours, you can discuss date and time of an appointment at any juncture you want. It pays to stay in touch with a nice message periodically until your arrival.

You should develop as many such Viber or Whatsapp Contacts for meetings as you can before arrival in Kiev, at least 15 or 20 numbers, as some may not be reachable, or be away, when you want them. Also video calls are available on these apps, so you can really see them as they are. If the girl is willing to do a video call.

This process is not really hard to do, and is similar to the kind of time many travelers invest into researching what to do for tourism in a destination they are traveling to. This is not rocket science. So it should be possible for all of us dummies to get contacts with hot girls on mamba.

Good luck guys.

LJ.

[Volpone]

Well done LilJoey. Good post that shows how much work is needed if you want to bang some real amateurs or non-pros girls.

Unfortunately I confirm the prices written here. This year I tried to get these prices lower with some new girls, very tough to bargain with them, nearly impossible.

In 2015 prices was around 1000-1500 UAH for 2 shots and around 2 hours with quite many girls on Mamba. Some girls agreed also for 800-1000 for 1 shot or one hour, but they usually prefered the other version. It's interesting to know that the haircut is still around 40-50 UAH, the taxi from the center to Borispol still around 250 UAH and the cleaning lady around 100-150 UAH. ONLY THE SERVICE FOR SEX WITH NON-PROS HAS RISEN A LOT. I can not imagine how high it will be in 2 years. We are going to end up paying 100 $ and more for 1 hour.

I would add to this excellent description, that it's important to chat and picking up some phone numbers before coming to Kiev. However don't think that your 10 or 20 phone numbers you collected will work when you are in the POOREST CAPITAL OF EUROPE. Some amateurs girls may change their mind when you are here or may not answer at all. They may call you on viber to see you in real and then they decide not to come. I hope you put your real photos on Mamba. They may also not come to your place, because they have enough sponsors, they don't need your help anymore or they just stop to do that activity for a while or for ever. I had about 10 new non-pros contacts before coming to Kiev this year, I met only two of them.

If you have pros contacts, they are more reliable, but be aware, that BBBJ is not included. That's an extra or some pros even don't do it. 69 might be included, but with BJ. (I am talking about the pros on Mamba, not the non-pros, the amateurs).

About the quality of girls, well, I would say most of them are just average, below average or a bit more than average, it means from 5 to 7 are most of the girls for this price: 100 $ for 2-3 hours. Once in a while you can get a 8, but really pretty girls tend to ask higher prices. Furthermore, as everyone knows here, they can work abroad now or they have other ways to trick the tourists and to get money without having sex.

Bargaining, getting the price down should be our main goal.

[Hedonist]

Many thanks. Excellent report!


The sort of engagement I intended to present is simply typical of what is possible to sometimes find on mamba. Ru. The mamba website has undergone changes over the last few years, and what was true yesterday, may not be the same tomorrow. Nowadays there are many agencies lurking behind many of the profiles, especially the ones listing "looking for a sponsor". In the profile. But then again, many of the individual girls looking for a sponsor also list it in their profiles. So you need to judge who you are dealing with, when you receive their replies, and the nature of their ensuing conversation, or lack thereof.

The prices on mamba. Ru have been written about many times in this forum. My impression about the current status is that it is still possible to find girls that are happy with $100 for several hours (2-3 hours at least). And that a portion of the girls will only be happy with $150 for several hours. And yes there are some prima donna's who try to demand $200. And there are a small number who ask for $300, or even $400. The trick here is to get them to agree to enough time together, to bring down the unit price to a more reasonable number. For example, although there are girls in the nightclubs and on escort sites, for whom the sum of $300 is the rock bottom price they will agree to for two hours, if you get a mamba girl to agree to a whole night for $300, then you have a lot of hours to be with her, at least be able to fuck at night and in the morning, and your price per hour goes down significantly. $300 for 2 hours is a rate of $150/ hour. But $300 for 10 or 12 hours, including sex at least twice, can represent a much lower cost per sex event. You can drag out the sex each time for several hours, with oral sex both ways, Cuny and BBBJ, 69, and fucking different positions, with really no time limit, two hour or three hour sex session, as your own physical limitations dictate. And do it again in the morning, if you are capable. So $300 for a night like that, really isn't such a bad deal, especially if the girl is a real beauty. So think about what's included, before rejecting a $300 demand on mamba out of hand. Because if you can get a night such as described from it, it may be very worth it.

That being said, I usually first establish that the girl's demand for $300, is intended as the price for a night. Remember, that $300 is the average monthly salary for most in Kiev. So the girl is probably just throwing out this big number as a gamble, in the hopes that a dummy tourist will say yes. Don't be that dummy. If she wants $300, then she must give on the amount of time, and nothing less than all night, with sex again in the morning, makes any sense cost-wise. If she doesn't agree thatvher price is for all night, then pass on her. But once she agrees that $300 is her price for the whole night, then deflect that with the following approach, and say that a first date is not appropriate for an all night date, and it is more appropriate that your first meeting be for a short meeting of several hours. Then you are in a position to offer only a portion of the all night $300 price, for a session of several hours in the evening. In this way you may wind up with a $300 demand girl, agreeing to $150 for several hours in the evening for first date. Once you have fucked a girl the right way, and IF she likes what you did with her and enjoys sex with you, you may be able to negotiate better terms on repeat dates.

However, all this being said, the price range I feel is achievable on mamba, based upon my experience, is between $100 to $150 for 2 - 3 hours.

And let me tell you why this is better than other mongering destinations. Let's take the FKK clubs of Frankfurt Germany, for example. These are my favorite other places to monger. The price at Oase is 50 euro for half hour, which is 100 euro per hour. Add to that the entrance fee of around 70 euro. So if you contrast that with the prices possible in Kiev, you will see that Kiev is about HALF the price of the FKK clubs. In FKK club an hour is 100 euro plus entrance fee. In Kiev, if you got a girl for) 100 for two hours, the price is $50 per hour, which is half the price of the prices in the FKK. If you got a mamba girl for a few hours for $150, then if she only stays two hours, it works out to $75/ hour, which is around 2/3 the FKK price. And if the Kiev girl stays with you more than two hours, like three or more hours, then the price in Kiev is very much lower than in the FKK's. I know I'm not being exact because the euro and the dollar are not equivalent, and other fine tuning can be applied to this calculation. But the point remains essentially true. Kiev is a cheaper destination than even the vaunted FKK's and the level of beauty possible to attain in the Kiev girls is just as good as in the FKK's. Ukrainian hot girls versus Romanian hotties. Who is to say which is better? I love them both. But for unit price, Kiev is lower cost. So I decidedly do not dismiss Kiev as a mongering destination, because of the beauty there and the intrinsic value in it as a mongering destination. Kiev does require more effort to succeed on mamba, than going in to an FKK, where the naked hotties are all around you for the picking. But prices are better in Kiev.

Use your heads, and don't be deterred by the nay-sayers on this board.

LJ.

[Member #4722]

Great Mamba tutorial for newbies. Agree with everything you said! Some guys don't like to put in this kind of work but for me part of the thrill is in the chase.

[AntonySun1996]

Meet my girl again and we fuck hardly. She is a solid 9, if not 10, to my eyes. Pretty face, huge boobs that I have never saw even once in my home country. So hot. I like how it feels when having hot sex with this girl in such a cold weather (it actually even snowed a little bit today) Tbh before I get to Kiev I have been doing gym thing on a regular basis to be better at bed, now it turns out that it really works)) My girl is impressed and moan a lot when fcked.

No matter what the naysayers say, Kiev is still the best ever city on this fcking planet for horny boys. BTW I have actually decided my settle in Kiev in the near future, so if someone has information about how to buy apartments or houses as a foreigner in Ukraine and would like to share, I would be very grateful.

[MagicSheep74]

No matter what the naysayers say, Kiev is still the best ever city on this fcking planet for horny boys. BTW I have actually decided my settle in Kiev in the near future, (quote).

We are all thinking the same Anthony, its just one big pussy paradise where models parade the streets and throw themselves at foreign men for free. I just sold my property in St Tropez and Marbella to move in a small Soviet style apartment in Kiev. Once I arrive I will spend all my days on Mamba trying to bag a 7/10 , then my nights in Rio trying to drag another sad faced 7/10 back to my room for 300 bucks.

Its a win win situation.

Cheers.

[Riina]

No matter what the naysayers say, Kiev is still the best ever city on this fcking planet for horny boys. BTW I have actually decided my settle in Kiev in the near future, (quote).

We are all thinking the same Anthony, its just one big pussy paradise where models parade the streets and throw themselves at foreign men for free. I just sold my property in St Tropez and Marbella to move in a small Soviet style apartment in Kiev. Once I arrive I will spend all my days on Mamba trying to bag a 7/10 , then my nights in Rio trying to drag another sad faced 7/10 back to my room for 300 bucks.

Its a win win situation.

Cheers.I guess the above post is sarcasm. For me, living in St. Tropez sounds like a nightmare come true. Living in a small Soviet apartment in Kiev actually sounds pretty good.

[AntonySun1996]

No matter what the naysayers say, Kiev is still the best ever city on this fcking planet for horny boys. BTW I have actually decided my settle in Kiev in the near future, (quote).

We are all thinking the same Anthony, its just one big pussy paradise where models parade the streets and throw themselves at foreign men for free. I just sold my property in St Tropez and Marbella to move in a small Soviet style apartment in Kiev. Once I arrive I will spend all my days on Mamba trying to bag a 7/10 , then my nights in Rio trying to drag another sad faced 7/10 back to my room for 300 bucks.

Its a win win situation.

Cheers.Kiev is, of course, only pussy paradise for you if you've got loads of cash. If you want girls to fck you free, or can't afford it without selling your property, just go to some Asian countries. But if you fck white blondes, Kiev is still the best choice. I assume you have some bad experiences mongering in Kiev. Forget about Mamba and Rio and similar stuff for dumb foreigners, learn the local language and come to Kiev often, you will find your luck.

Good wishes.

[AntonySun1996]

I guess the above post is sarcasm. For me, living in St. Tropez sounds like a nightmare come true. Living in a small Soviet apartment in Kiev actually sounds pretty good.There are many newly built properties in Kiev and they are at all not expensive. I have been looking through real estates ads on the website and have found a lot of that interest me.

[MagicSheep74]

I guess the above post is sarcasm. For me, living in St. Tropez sounds like a nightmare come true. Living in a small Soviet apartment in Kiev actually sounds pretty good.Yes, my apologies. I just can't help myself when I hear of Kiev being the best city on the planet. Its not even in the top 50 for banging women.

Although I did think ' Liljoey' post on finding success on Mamba was an excellent guide to a newbie.

Riina, I have never rented an apartment in Kiev, so I have to take your word on it being pretty good. Your not from Donetsk are you?

[Riina]

Yes, my apologies. I just can't help myself when I hear of Kiev being the best city on the planet. Its not even in the top 50 for banging women.

Although I did think ' Liljoey' post on finding success on Mamba was an excellent guide to a newbie.

Riina, I have never rented an apartment in Kiev, so I have to take your word on it being pretty good. Your not from Donetsk are you?What's that suppose to mean if I live in Donetsk?

I'm just a traveler. I agree that mongering is terrible in Kiev. Yet, every trip I made was always successful because of some lucky encounter I could never have found at home. No disrespect about living in St. Tropez, but finding and talking to girls is simply over for most guys over forty anywhere in the West.

[MagicSheep74]

Kiev is, of course, only pussy paradise for you if you've got loads of cash. If you want girls to fck you free, or can't afford it without selling your property, just go to some Asian countries. But if you fck white blondes, Kiev is still the best choice. I assume you have some bad experiences mongering in Kiev. Forget about Mamba and Rio and similar stuff for dumb foreigners, learn the local language and come to Kiev often, you will find your luck.

Good wishes.I understand and believe you, but I am sure most will agree that learning Russian and practically moving to Kiev is a little excessive to sleep with white blondes. I tried Mamba, Rio, online dating, tinder, the apartments, Sky Bar, Vodka Bar, Bhudda Bar, blah blah blah. All of them were disappointing, and working your way through the scams is exhausting. Its just not a monger friendly city as a tourist.

I am actually having much more success with travelgirls.com , I have had one Latvian Blond and one Ukrainian blond staying at my house for the cost of a European flight. It take a little time, but not all the girls on there are scammer. I will try Moscow next year, some positives reports come from here.

Best wishes.

[Member #4722]

I know it's not for everyone but please humor me with your top 20.

[DramaFree11]

I know it's not for everyone but please humor me with your top 20.25-40 in the world. He is correct.

[Sorbonne]

BTW I have actually decided my settle in Kiev in the near future, so if someone has information about how to buy apartments or houses as a foreigner in Ukraine and would like to share, I would be very grateful.I thought about sending you a private message.

But I realize as of now you can't send or receive private messages on this board unless you pay or become a senior member.

[BlissDps]

I know it's not for everyone but please humor me with your top 20.1: Charleroi. Belgium.

2: Copenhagen. Denmark.

3: Dnipropetrovsk- Ukraine.

4: Berlin. Germany.

5: Cluj-Napoca. Romania.

6: Tallinn. Estonia.

7: Manchester. UK.

8: Lublin. Poland.

9: Toledo. Spain.

10: Las Vegas- USA.

[MagicSheep74]

I know it's not for everyone but please humor me with your top 20.In no particular order. Cities below are better for mongering.

# Please don't say ' but when I am in Kiev I see lots of stunning women!! This forum is not about seeing stunning women, its about having sex with them for cash.

Barcelona.

Bangkok.

Berlin.

Madrid.

Frankfurt.

Zurich.

Jakarta.

Singapore.

Macau.

Prague.

Moscow.

Vienna.

Dubai.

Marbella.

Rio De Janiero.

Medellin.

Sao Paulo.

Manila.

Kuala Lumpur.

Pattaya.

[Member #4722]

1: Charleroi. Belgium.

2: Copenhagen. Denmark.

3: Dnipropetrovsk- Ukraine.

4: Berlin. Germany.

5: Cluj-Napoca. Romania.

6: Tallinn. Estonia.

7: Manchester. UK.

8: Lublin. Poland.

9: Toledo. Spain.

10: Las Vegas- USA.I was asking magicsheep but thanks for trying. Your list is utter BS. I have been to Cluj three times and as everywhere else in Romania it's horrible for mongering. I lived in las Vegas for 10 years and the ladies charge double price there because it's a tourist town.

[AlanZ]

When I was in this city last time I tried sex massage in kiev (https://vipmassage.kiev.ua/en). I had a lot of different massages before, but I must say this particular one was just incredible. That young massage master know what she's doing. Want to book an another appointment with her in my next business tip to Ukraine.

[Riina]

In no particular order. Cities below are better for mongering.
I agree with MagicSheep's list. It's impossible to put them in order, we all have different tastes. That said, Kiev is my favorite mongering destination and I have no interest in visiting his mentioned cities.

[Member #4722]

In no particular order. Cities below are better for mongering.

# Please don't say ' but when I am in Kiev I see lots of stunning women!! This forum is not about seeing stunning women, its about having sex with them for cash.

Barcelona.

Bangkok.

Berlin.

Madrid.

Frankfurt.

Zurich.

Jakarta.

Singapore.

Macau.

Prague.

Moscow.

Vienna.

Dubai.

Marbella.

Rio De Janiero.

Medellin.

Sao Paulo.

Manila.

Kuala Lumpur.

Pattaya.Solid list this one is more legit than the other guy LOL. Been to a handful on this list but the other destinations are intriguing. I still like Kiev the best.

[BlissDps]

I was asking magicsheep but thanks for trying. Your list is utter BS. I have been to Cluj three times and as everywhere else in Romania it's horrible for mongering. I lived in las Vegas for 10 years and the ladies charge double price there because it's a tourist town.Yes, that might be true if you are solely looking for mongering, the cities I've mentioned are likely not to be the most perfect ones.

But if you just go on local dating sites eg badoo, tagged, etcetc the cities I've mentioned are pretty easy to get a non scamming girl who doesn't charge like crazy if she likes you at least a bit without asking immediately the next day for a macbookpro, botox treatment or norka jacket.

[MagicSheep74]

Solid list this one is more legit than the other guy LOL. Been to a handful on this list but the other destinations are intriguing. I still like Kiev the best.I am intrigued Rog123 , what is it you like so much about Kiev. Yes, I have been and I seen all the girls walking around with there 6 in High Heels etc. Some are admittedly very striking in there appearance, but I tend to feel they look best when you see then in the dark lights of a club or from across the road. LOL.

But I am genuinely interested why you think Kiev is the best.

Cheers.

[Member #4722]

I am intrigued Rog123 , what is it you like so much about Kiev. Yes, I have been and I seen all the girls walking around with there 6 in High Heels etc. Some are admittedly very striking in there appearance, but I tend to feel they look best when you see then in the dark lights of a club or from across the road. LOL.

But I am genuinely interested why you think Kiev is the best.

Cheers.Check my profile and read my reports.

[Member #4722]

Yes, that might be true if you are solely looking for mongering, the cities I've mentioned are likely not to be the most perfect ones.

But if you just go on local dating sites eg badoo, tagged, etcetc the cities I've mentioned are pretty easy to get a non scamming girl who doesn't charge like crazy if she likes you at least a bit without asking immediately the next day for a macbookpro, botox treatment or norka jacket.Cool. The post was about top mongering destinations though. Cluj is great for the massage joints about $40 for a happy ending massage from hot college chicks but the escort scene is horrible. Las Vegas is one of the worst in USA for mongering unless you have a lot of money to spend. But yes it's a great place for normal girls as a new crop comes in every weekend and they all want to party and fuck!

[PhotoSlider]

I see you don't have PM currently. So from relaxkiev I've got a few numbers for places that have multiple girls. I'm sure I could ask them to send a few girls over to choose from. But how would you get numbers to call for the apartments? I have my taxi take me there at the moment, I could ask for their number when I'm there I guess.Certainly not from apartments. I got those numbers by long trial and error process from the usual sites like minuet. Biz, kievlady.com, etc. Over time you see that some phone numbers repeat again and again between multiple sites, while claiming they are independents.

Eventually some of providers earned higher rating in my book, while occasionally making poor quality deliveries. In fact one of the best young ladies was offered as a consolation after complaining about a major fuck up and me evicting the lazy stupid "vacuum cleaner" (in terms of her attitude towards money) right out of the bed and into the cold December street.

Those phone numbers come and go though. Also one night dispatcher is responsive and caring, and another night she doesn't give a flying rat's ass!

I don't mind spending 1000-1500/ HR to identify longer term prospects. My time is valuable. Some of the agencies behave like consolidators, as they call around and exchange favors, some are more self-contained and isolated, may even have specifically students for periods of time. Everything is rather dynamic though. Numbers disappear and new ones pop-up.

Speaking local language definitely helps, but the opposite shouldn't be a showstopper.

I am in Kiev now. And am open for a meeting on Saturday before 15:00 at Avalon. Sunday so far is also open for a synch up. You know by now how long "so far" is lasting in this city. Are you back from L'viv?

[PhotoSlider]

I see you don't have PM currently. So from relaxkiev I've got a few numbers for places that have multiple girls. I'm sure I could ask them to send a few girls over to choose from. But how would you get numbers to call for the apartments? I have my taxi take me there at the moment, I could ask for their number when I'm there I guess.Question to veterans. What can I use to pay for membership, while in Kiev? Are there local prepaid debit Visa cards available? I am understandably hesitant to use personal credit card. PM would be nice.

[BlissDps]

Cool. The post was about top mongering destinations though. Cluj is great for the massage joints about $40 for a happy ending massage from hot college chicks but the escort scene is horrible. Las Vegas is one of the worst in USA for mongering unless you have a lot of money to spend. But yes it's a great place for normal girls as a new crop comes in every weekend and they all want to party and fuck!Yeah, as semi-pros, -who actually like to fuck but won't refuse any "gift"- are discussed frequently on here as well there might have arisen some confusion as I was merely referring to them with my top 10.

Pure mongering of course: Pattaya, Dominican Republic, Angeles, Kiev, Berlin, Tijuana.

[Tomas11]

Tomas11, can you please explain what is meant by channel? Where do you get plenty of phone numbers from semi-pros if you are not using Mamba. Ru?Channel is a whatup chat group where you get the real info what girls are available right now, however you have to be in Kiev to use it, they don't like chit chat.

You have to speak Russian to get lots of numbers from semi-pros, don't want to ruin this source in a public forum, if you want PM me and I will exchange the info.

[Wgmm99]

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience Volpone.

Well my current taxi / guide says he only knows apartments in the 1500-3000 uah range. He seems very invested in directing me towards the upper end apartments so I can only assume he gets a cut. I'm sure it's already been covered but if anyone cares to elaborate on how the guide / apartments relationship works that would be great. He took me to two places tonight. The first had two girls and was apparently 2000 uah for an hour. Neither were interesting to me. The second was 2500 uah. There were five girls to choose from. Sunday isn't the best night. Two were chubby and the other three were all pretty cute.

So tonight I paid 2500 uah and an extra 1000 uah for BBBJ. $130. The service was, as seems to be the norm here, excellent. I asked her if she kissed which was probably a dumb move as, of course, it turns out she does, but only for extra. Then she said the same for cunnilingus. I suspect giving her a kiss very early in the engagement, maybe even before she gets out of the lounge and into the room would be a smart move.

I'm remain very impressed by the quality of BJs over here. As someone who loves a long BJ this place is a heaven. Back in the FKKs in Germany I put significant effort into finding the girls who could give head for long time. Here it just seems to be a given that the BJ goes on for as long as you want. That in itself was worth the trip..I'm curious which sites you used to post adverts for models. I am a photojournalist working in Ukraine full time and wanted to do some fashion and boudoir shoots and wasn't sure of best places to search for potential models.

[KY694]

Hi guys,

I am going to Kiev in Dec for 4 days.

I am looking for girls under 28 years old (I am 30), 7-10 on a scale of 10.

And I am willing to compensate 100 euro (120 USD, 3000 UAH) for 2-3 hours.

Am I asking for too much? Is it realistic?

I read the posts here. I have an idea about Mumba and Tinder.

How do you distinguish those who look for long term relationship vs those who look for paid sex?

Also, it looks like there are so many fake profiles. I get quite affected by frustration. If I go and get disappointed by a lot of fakes, I may ruin the mood of my whole trip.

Call me lazy, but I am not willing to spend hours researching and video-chatting girls to make sure they are not real.

Is there a way to use mumba or tinder most efficiently to avoid fake profiles?

From the forum, I have also learned of relaxkiev and ukraine. cracker.com.

It is not clear to me how many of them are fake. What do you guys think?

I do like the idea of Mumba.

Ideally if it clicks with a girl, I would love her to show me around (again pay a small amount for her time), have dinner together and then spend the night with me.

Yet, I have to admit that I am not willing to spend days looking for one girl.

If you have Mumba profiles you would recommend, please let me know (I don't have PM). I would very much appreciate it.

[AntonySun1996]

I understand and believe you, but I am sure most will agree that learning Russian and practically moving to Kiev is a little excessive to sleep with white blondes. I tried Mamba, Rio, online dating, tinder, the apartments, Sky Bar, Vodka Bar, Bhudda Bar, blah blah blah. All of them were disappointing, and working your way through the scams is exhausting. Its just not a monger friendly city as a tourist.

I am actually having much more success with travelgirls.com , I have had one Latvian Blond and one Ukrainian blond staying at my house for the cost of a European flight. It take a little time, but not all the girls on there are scammer. I will try Moscow next year, some positives reports come from here.

Best wishes.Yes I agree with you my friend and good luck to your hunting in Moscow. But my humble suggestion is that in Russia provincial cities are better than Moscow in terms of price and quality of girls. This summer I fcked a hot single mother in Volgograd for somewhere around 2000 or 3000 roubles if I remember it correctly. I found her on a local call girl website and it seems her profile is real. Maybe in non-tourist cities there are less fake photos I guess.

Good luck.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi guys,

I am going to Kiev in Dec for 4 days.

I am looking for girls under 28 years old (I am 30), 7-10 on a scale of 10.

And I am willing to compensate 100 euro (120 USD, 3000 UAH) for 2-3 hours.

Am I asking for too much? Is it realistic?

I read the posts here. I have an idea about Mumba and Tinder.

How do you distinguish those who look for long term relationship vs those who look for paid sex?.That's quite a lot of questions bro. I suggest you to read through the forum posts of recent months and you will find answers to most of your questions. Mongering in Kiev, as you probably know, is not a easy thing for first-time foreign travellers with limited time and budget, so knowledge is important. Please take your time and read the posts.

Happy hunting.

[AntonySun1996]

Yesterday as my sponsored girl was busy, I decided to try something new. Went to call a taxi outside Arena and asked the driver if he know where to find devushki and he said yes. The driver was a little bit old and quite nice, speaks very limited English but since my Russian is okay, it was not a problem. He said he knows several places and took me to check them. The first place we went is located somewhere on Shota Rustaveli street (not far from arena) inside a residence area and its name I can't remember exactly but the first name is "Wild" (two words altogether). It's not ordinary apartment but rather more like a small entertainment complex. There were many facilities inside including baths, billiard table, and several rooms. The decoration was quite classy compared to ordinary apartments.

So my driver called and a beautiful blonde opened the door who turned out to be the manager there. We went in and about six to seven girls came for my to pick, but they were quite old and not good-looking and not interesting to me at all. Actually I think the manager is so hot with beautiful blue eyes, long blond hair and attractive curves, and also looks quite young. So I would rather take her than the girls standing there for me to pick, but I was not sure if she was available and thought it would be inappropriate to ask. So I said I was going to leave but quite hesitated while looking at her. She saw I was hesitated and guessed why, and said ' ya? Ya tozhe rabotayo (me? I also work)' but only after thirty minutes. I was quite surprised and agreed immediately to meet her after 30 min.

While waiting, I decided to check another place with my driver. My driver took me to an apartment on Baseina street. Didn't had high expectation beforehand since I know the quality of the majority of apartment girls from both my own experience and forum posts, but it turned out to be a surprise. Five girls were available there and except one or two not to my taste, all quite young, pretty, and hot. Two were tall and slim (one was even taller than me, it seems), one was a little short and fat, but with big boobs. I would rate the tall beautiful girl as 8 if not 9, and the rest above 7, What's even better is the fact that they were all very welcoming and kind to me and tried hard to persuade me to stay there. But since I already promised to fck the manager girl, I decided to come back the other day.

We still had time and the driver said he knew other places but I thought these were enough discoveries for the day so I told him just take me back to the Wild xxx and wait a few minutes for the manager girl. After a while she came out and let me in. I kindly thanked the driver, gave him 500 grivnas and asked him to come back after 1 or 2 hours. Then I went to a room with the girl and fcked her. She was 22, typical Ukrainian hottie, spoke little to zero English. The price was 3000 gr per hour and 2500 for the second our (yeah more expensive than more apartments but to me was worth it). I took her one hour and was sent to hotel by my taxi driver. BTW drinks and snacks were available in that place.

My next plan during this stay in Kiev is to contact my driver again and come back to the second apartments to fck the hotties there. They are hotter than my sponsored girl I have to admit, though I used to rate her 10, haha.

Conclusions:

1. It's still possible to find gems in apartments if you have time and patience. Don't get frustrated after just a few failed tries.

2. Russian language skill is vital. Step out of your comfort zone and do some studies in your free time before you come to Kiev. Even some basic phrases would help.

3. Kiev is a lovely city of amazement and surprise.

Best wishes.

[KY694]

That's quite a lot of questions bro. I suggest you to read through the forum posts of recent months and you will find answers to most of your questions. Mongering in Kiev, as you probably know, is not a easy thing for first-time foreign travellers with limited time and budget, so knowledge is important. Please take your time and read the posts.

Happy hunting.Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.

[KY694]

We still had time and the driver said he knew other places but I thought these were enough discoveries for the day so I told him just take me back to the Wild xxx and wait a few minutes for the manager girl. After a while she came out and let me in. I kindly thanked the driver, gave him 500 grivnas and asked him to come back after 1 or 2 hours. Then I went to a room with the girl and fcked her. She was 22, typical Ukrainian hottie, spoke little to zero English. The price was 3000 gr per hour and 2500 for the second our (yeah more expensive than more apartments but to me was worth it). I took her one hour and was sent to hotel by my taxi driver. BTW drinks and snacks were available in that place.

My next plan during this stay in Kiev is to contact my driver again and come back to the second apartments to fck the hotties there. They are hotter than my sponsored girl I have to admit, though I used to rate her 10, haha.Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

[Member #4722]

Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!!


Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).

[AntonySun1996]

Thanks for your reply.

Yes, I have read a lot of posts already. And the answers to my questions from these posts are that Kiev is not an easy place for foreigners.

It is just not like in Germany, where you can go to a brothel and you will usually not be disappointed.

I post again to ask my questions, just to make sure that my impression from reading the forum is correct, or maybe there are some other easier ways that I have not discovered.Yes your impression is right, mongering in Kiev is not as easy as in Germany for foreign travelers, but for me it is quite a fun.

[AntonySun1996]

Good to hear that you discovered something nice.

If possible, please note the exact address of the second apartment you mentioned, for those of us who cannot speak Russian.

I wish there are some English-speaking local tour guides for these things.

May I ask how much you offer your sponsored girl?

3000 for 1 hour and 5500 for 2 hours is indeed a bit expensive. I wonder if it is cheaper to sponsor a girl.

I have been trying on Mamba with no luck so far. It may be that my travel date is a month away or I am offering too little.

(I was suggesting 4000 UAH /2 hours, but video call first to see each other).I offer my sponsored girl 30000 grivnas every month, sometimes more. Whether sponsoring a girl would be a cheaper option depends on how long you are staying in Kiev and how frequent you want sex.

As for the apartment address, the exact address I don't really know, but I do remember some signs there that would make you easy to find it. It is located on Baseina Vylicia opposite to the famous shopping mall Gulliver. You can see an entrance to the residence area and I remember there's a billboard standing right in front of it on the street. Once you go inside, turn right and you can see a circle shaped advertise board hanging on the building, and to its left there's a door of the apartment. Go into the door and walk along the stairs until you see some graffiti on the wall. Once you see the graffiti, climb another set of stairs and on your right hand side is the apartment with girls. However please be aware that in Kiev the girls in the apartment and the apartments themselves may keep changing, and since your visit will be after my month, my information may not be up-to-date enough for you. Also please notice that you can negotiate prices at apartments and may get some discounts sometimes. Just ask "mozhno skidki? (discounts possible?

I'm not sure if there are English-speaking guides. Most people here do not speak very good English and that's why I'm working my ass off studying Russian in my spare time. The local language is helpful for you, not just to talk with guides and negotiate prices, but also to please the girls and make them feel more comfortable, and of course to increase your enjoyment and satisfaction in general.

[MorandUK]

I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev. Because my experience over the last years I have continued to visit Kiev every time I have a business trip to Europe has been just the opposite.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively.

And yes it is true, that in the few weeks before arriving in Kiev, you must spend time writing to different girls on mamba. Ru, in order to correspond with them, weed out the no good ones, get the girls' mobile numbers for Viber or Whatsapp if possible, and schedule meetings with them. But this time spent is definitely worth it IMHO.

Because the mamba profile pics are invariably fake, one step in the communication process must be to ask each girl to send her current and real photos.

Mamba use pointers.

For the sake of those of you struggling to use mamba to find hot girls in Kiev, let's review some basic pointers so that maybe you can get better results.

Mamba is a social website and has many users. In Kiev, a particular aspect of mamba is that girls looking for sponsors are using the site to find sponsors. As well, apartment brothels and escort agencies have also been using mamba to reach clients, because they became aware that many mongers are looking for P4P girls on mamba. This aspect of mamba having P4P girls on it is more pronounced on mamba in Kiev, and you won't find this phenomenon is many other locations in the world. But for Kiev it has been and remains a good resource for P4P.

Mamba has undergone changes over the years, but this only means that we must adapt ourselves and the manner in which we search for girls on the site. In the past girls looking for P4P clients simply wrote in their profiles that they are meeting with guys for material benefits, or some such language. Currently that is mostly not done, and P4P girls are putting in their profiles at the bottom the words "looking for a sponsor". They also have the option to simply leave that space blank. Or they can choose the option which says "not looking for a sponsor and not willing to become one".

I think you should not bother to send any message to girls who list the third option, as there seems to be no point. You can choose to limit your searches only to those girls who list "looking for sponsor" in their profiles. That way you already know you are dealing with a P4P girl, which is helpful in drafting the wording of your messages. But I have found that lately, there is a higher concentration of agencies in this category, and also there are many P4P girls on mamba who do not use the "looking for sponsor" tag in their profiles because they want the plausible deniability of a profile that is not obviously a girl looking for P4P. So the only category to avoid is the girls specifically writing "not looking for sponsor".

(The reason I don't focus only on the looking for sponsor category is that it is infested with agencies or apartment brothels. And the mentality of the persons operating these mamba profiles is infected with the stupidity of Eastern European thinking in dealing with a commercial enterprise. So they routinely will not want to communicate with anyone who is not already in Kiev, on the idea that they don't want to waste their time on anyone who isn't ready to immediately book an appointment. The concept of customer service and marketing / advertising, and developing a customer base has not yet filtered into their pre-soviet socialist mindset, and such capitalist concepts like customer service are a waste of time in their view. I guess they do not realize that there are many potential customers they could market themselves to, by indulging in some communication, who are foreign travelers coming to Kiev and want to have a good time. And so as soon as they perceive that you are not yet in Kiev, they will lose interest in communicating with you, or they may block you, instead of having the brains to cultivate you as a client, and secure an appointment from you. Also because they use multiple listings of profiles on mamba and repetitive listings of the same profiles and therefore they always find themselves in communication with the same customers who are going thru the profiles and writing to different girls whose profiles they like. So instead of simply sending their number again. They will block you, and turn a customer they already had, who had taken their number for use when in Kiev, into a non-customer who will no longer call them because they blocked him and appear to be uninterested in his business. Anyways, the stupidity of the way the agencies handle themselves on mamba is not my interest, only to make you aware of their behaviors so you can avoid. Therefore, do not be perturbed or worried that the profile of the really beautiful girl blocked you for no apparent reason after a polite message, because if there was only one or two photos, and a behavior like that, it is most likely an agency, and not a real girl, and they recognized that they communicated with you before. So now they block you, insuring that you will never become a customer of theirs. Just move on from such economic stupidity, and don't worry about it or get insulted by it.)..LilJoey,

thank you for your article. It's extremely informative. My initial plan was to go to St. Petersburg in the summer but I'm thinking that maybe Kiev is an alternative. The plan you are suggesting although is very good must be very time consuming. For someone that is traveling to Kiev many time it worth doing but I don't know if it's worth for a 1 time tourist. I suppose that in your first times you must had few disappointments but with time you have learn. Would like to ask you 2 things:

1) How much time it take you to find a girl.

2) Is it possible to share some pictures (you can cover the faces) to see what level are we talking about?

Also congratulations for your ability to write big articles. I wish I had it.

[KY694]

Never mention money until the woman brings it up first!!Yes Rog, that was my first few message.

Now I learned not to mention it.

In my message, now I briefly describe who I am. Explained that I am visiting Kiev. Would love to meet for a coffee or even something more, if the girl feel comfortable with it. Finally I clear state that I can offer to sponsor them without specific amount.

As an exercise, I sent it 30 girls 2 days ago, regardless of my interest, just to see how many reply I will get.

So far I got one reply, from a girl who thought I was genuinely looking for friendship lolll.

When I explain that I would like more if she feels comfortable after meeting me, she said no. Friend-zoned.

[KY694]

I offer my sponsored girl 30000 grivnas every month, sometimes more. Whether sponsoring a girl would be a cheaper option depends on how long you are staying in Kiev and how frequent you want sex.

As for the apartment address, the exact address I don't really know, but I do remember some signs there that would make you easy to find it. It is located on Baseina Vylicia opposite to the famous shopping mall Gulliver. You can see an entrance to the residence area and I remember there's a billboard standing right in front of it on the street. Once you go inside, turn right and you can see a circle shaped advertise board hanging on the building, and to its left there's a door of the apartment. Go into the door and walk along the stairs until you see some graffiti on the wall. Once you see the graffiti, climb another set of stairs and on your right hand side is the apartment with girls. However please be aware that in Kiev the girls in the apartment and the apartments themselves may keep changing, and since your visit will be after my month, my information may not be up-to-date enough for you. Also please notice that you can negotiate prices at apartments and may get some discounts sometimes. Just ask "mozhno skidki? (discounts possible?

I'm not sure if there are English-speaking guides. Most people here do not speak very good English and that's why I'm working my ass off studying Russian in my spare time. The local language is helpful for you, not just to talk with guides and negotiate prices, but also to please the girls and make them feel more comfortable, and of course to increase your enjoyment and satisfaction in general.30000 grivnas every month! That's probably more than what I made when I was a student in Germany.

I got 2 replies from Mamba. Ru and they asked specifically what I can offer.

Neither of them replied me anymore after I mentioned 4000 UAH /2 hours. Now I know who is putting the bar so high in the market lolll.

Alright, man. I am defeated. There is no way I can be as competitive. (plus you know Russian).

Mamba. Ru is a disappointment so far. I got 3 replied out of 60 messages I sent. And none of the three is interested in my offer.

Thanks for your description for the location. Highly appreciate it.

I think I will have to rely on apartments, now that mamba. Ru seems to be a dead end for me.

Do you have experience with relaxkiev and cracker.com?

[KY694]

LilJoey,

thank you for your article. It's extremely informative. My initial plan was to go to St. Petersburg in the summer but I'm thinking that maybe Kiev is an alternative. The plan you are suggesting although is very good must be very time consuming. For someone that is traveling to Kiev many time it worth doing but I don't know if it's worth for a 1 time tourist. I suppose that in your first times you must had few disappointments but with time you have learn. Would like to ask you 2 things:

1) How much time it take you to find a girl.

2) Is it possible to share some pictures (you can cover the faces) to see what level are we talking about?

Also congratulations for your ability to write big articles. I wish I had it.LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far.

But I do have a lot of limitations:

1. I am just 1 time tourist, I am not willing to spend a month collecting contacts.

2. I don't have a lot of money. I can offer 3000 or maybe up to 5000 UAH, but there is no way I can offer 30000 UAH.

3. I am not old, but also not very handsome.

4. I don't speak Russian at all.

As a result, in the past week of so, I have sent a message to everyone who came online on mamba. Ru.

Out of the 60 messages I sent, I got 3 replies. One thought I was looking for friendship, and declined my offer when I explained it more explicitly.

Two more asked for what I can offer. I mentioned 4000 UAH /2 hours. No more replies.

So far my impression is that Kiev is a bad choice for mongering for 1 time tourist who does not speak Russian nor have good $ to offer.

If you enjoy messaging girls and don't mind investing the time, and if you are going back to Kiev, I guess it is worth it to set up some long time sponsorships.

Naturally girls will be more interested in long time sponsorship than a one-off thing.

Yet, Mongering is important for me this time. If I knew all these, I would probably choose somewhere else for my vacation (Prague, for example). Now I booked the flight ticket, too late to change LOL.

I am glad that it works out so well for LilJoey and a few others.

Nevertheless, if you read 8-10 pages of this thread, you will also notice a lot others complained how disappointing Kiev is.

I am sure Kiev is full of gems, no doubt. But LilJoey and others' success do not mean you will be able to replicate their success.

We need to take into considerations their investments, qualification and sometime luck (luck increases with no of trails, 1 time tourist will not have that).

I had the illusion that Kiev is like a harem of hotties, I was bound to be disappointed.

You may have better luck to succeed if the veterans here share some of their contacts.

[NorthK]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.

[CastOnThis]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.Ukrainians are easy to figure out. Got money? They like you! No money? They don't like you.

[MorandUK]

LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far..The last 2 days have tried to meet someone through mamba but I didn't have any luck. I agree with what are you saying. Probably Kiev is not that good place to go especially considering that it is not (in my opinion and hope I don't offend anyone) a good tourist destination. Just for an info I did try to approach some girls through badoo 3-4 months ago and I had some success but I didn't approach them with having in mind to have sex with them. I approach them out of curiosity of how Kiev is. Maybe some of you will find this info useful.

[Mmusic]

I am glad that it works out so well for LilJoey and a few others.
Nevertheless, if you read 8-10 pages of this thread, you will also notice a lot others complained how disappointing Kiev is.
I am sure Kiev is full of gems, no doubt. But LilJoey and others' success do not mean you will be able to replicate their success.
We need to take into considerations their investments, qualification and sometime luck (luck increases with no of trails, 1 time tourist will not have that).
I had the illusion that Kiev is like a harem of hotties, I was bound to be disappointed.

You may have better luck to succeed if the veterans here share some of their contacts.I agree with KY694.

I'm planning my trip to Kiev in good 3 weeks. As it is mainly business travel with tons of meetings, working lunches, dinner where surely won't be destroyed just one glass or bottle of vine it is hard to imagine that me as same as KY694 for example will or can have so much time to checking those sites mentioned here. No matter that my stay is for 3-4 days / nights.

Any tip or instruction about the classic hotel / room escort lady or more of them? In all other cities I'm travelling in east / south-east Europe as Belgrade, Zagreb, Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest in hotels even can be possible to find girls. And surely I don't know Hungarian language.

[DramaFree11]

The last 2 days have tried to meet someone through mamba but I didn't have any luck. I agree with what are you saying. Probably Kiev is not that good place to go especially considering that it is not (in my opinion and hope I don't offend anyone) a good tourist destination. Just for an info I did try to approach some girls through badoo 3-4 months ago and I had some success but I didn't approach them with having in mind to have sex with them. I approach them out of curiosity of how Kiev is. Maybe some of you will find this info useful.Sorry, about your trip. I appreciate your honesty.

[DramaFree11]

Appreciate your report. This is what happens when guys post about having multiple Top Level Girls in Kiev! As I have mentioned in my previous posts one is possible, but multiple Hot Girls is almost impossible. Now is you do have local knowledge or job you do have much opportunities, but it will not make much of a difference. Good luck, there are much better destinations for Girls.


LilJoey's post was great. I like it also.

But I am suspecting that it is a bit misleading:

"I am truly at a loss to understand why you have not been successful to find hot girls above a 6 in Kiev.

And I am now blessed with Contacts for so many hot girls to have sex with in Kiev, that it is even impossible for me to succeed in making time for even half of them each time I visit Kiev for a few days. So I end up having to blow off a lot of them saying that I have too many business meetings, or that I'm sick, or some other excuse, so they won't get too pissed at me, and tell them I will hope to see them on my next visit. Aside from my own limitations on how many hot girls I can fuck each day, I also want to leave some time for meeting new girls and fucking them. And all this Pussy has come to me from using mamba. Ru effectively."

That's sound like a fcking Harem heaven.

LilJoey made it sounds very easy and it is impossible not to score a hottie.

I am not sure I am unlucky or what, I am one of those who cannot score anyone so far.

But I do have a lot of limitations:

1. I am just 1 time tourist, I am not willing to spend a month collecting contacts.

2. I don't have a lot of money. I can offer 3000 or maybe up to 5000 UAH, but there is no way I can offer 30000 UAH..

[Wgmm99]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.Unfortunately, something similar happened. I have used his service on 4 different trip over the past year. He sometimes had some misses, often with recommending apartment girls. But, he more than occasionally brought girls he was managing also and they were all stars. We got on well and often had a few drinks before he brought over girls, which makes me feel bad to say that he is slipping. Twice he asked to borrow small amount of money which I lent. When I asked for it back, he said he'd give me it in a few installments. It wasn't much and I didn't care but if he's partying and gambling when he owes money and really dropping the ball with quality girls, I had t bring it up. He kind of made some weak excuses. And this is after, he brought me 100% gem a month ago and then last week said he'd bring her back and did a bait and switch when it was time for her to arrive, saying she turned out to be a bad person but he had someone better. The someone better was the deadest dead fish ever.

Also, sma as you, I would make requests and even if he went to apartments, he would check if the girls could fulfill (IE. BBJ, kissing, etc.) now, he says "what do you expect from cheap sluts? That was the whole point of hiring him. To get the kind of girl I was looking for.

I may give him another chance because I had laughs with him, but right now, he is not getting it done at all.

[Volpone]

The last 2 days have tried to meet someone through mamba but I didn't have any luck. I agree with what are you saying. Probably Kiev is not that good place to go especially considering that it is not (in my opinion and hope I don't offend anyone) a good tourist destination. Just for an info I did try to approach some girls through badoo 3-4 months ago and I had some success but I didn't approach them with having in mind to have sex with them. I approach them out of curiosity of how Kiev is. Maybe some of you will find this info useful.Don't worry MorandUK, it happens also to the ones that have stayed a long time in Kiev.

Last year in 3 weeks time in December I just got one new contact on Mamba and she wasn't even a real non-pro.

Fortunately I had my old contacts and my girlfriend to fulfill my needs, otherwise I could go with pros and paying 150 euro for 1 hour like some guys enjoy doing it here.

[NorthK]

Unfortunately, something similar happened. I have used his service on 4 different trip over the past year. He sometimes had some misses, often with recommending apartment girls. But, he more than occasionally brought girls he was managing also and they were all stars. We got on well and often had a few drinks before he brought over girls, which makes me feel bad to say that he is slipping. Twice he asked to borrow small amount of money which I lent. When I asked for it back, he said he'd give me it in a few installments. It wasn't much and I didn't care but if he's partying and gambling when he owes money and really dropping the ball with quality girls, I had t bring it up. He kind of made some weak excuses. And this is after, he brought me 100% gem a month ago and then last week said he'd bring her back and did a bait and switch when it was time for her to arrive, saying she turned out to be a bad person but he had someone better. The someone better was the deadest dead fish ever.

Also, sma as you, I would make requests and even if he went to apartments, he would check if the girls could fulfill (IE. BBJ, kissing, etc.) now, he says "what do you expect from cheap sluts? That was the whole point of hiring him. To get the kind of girl I was looking for.

I may give him another chance because I had laughs with him, but right now, he is not getting it done at all.Exactly, it is his job to do quality control. Sucks about the bait and switch he did on you.

He is an entertaining guy who loves to talk (with bad English skills), and not trustworthy. Both a bit sad and glad he has been the same with others. Haven't planned my next trip to Kiev yet, but I heard very good things about Odessa from a friend who went there last summer. So I will probably do that instead of Kiev next summer.

[KY694]

I did not give up on Mamba, and have sent over 120 messages in the past 10 days.

Got one reply, but I don't like her. The low success rate is probably because I am going to Kiev in a month, and I am not there right now.

But I will only have 4 days there. I need to do my homework earlier.

This morning, surprise, my IP got blocked by mamba.

My IP at home got blocked! So I cannot even open a new account!

Probably I sent messages to non-pro and they reported me? Or their AI decides that I sent too many messages in a short time.

I can assure you that my message was not sexual nor offensive tho and I only message girls who were looking for sex / flirt.

It was a frustrating experience.

I am desperate to find someone for a good experience. If you guys can share some hints or contacts please do PM me.

[MorandUK]

I did not give up on Mamba, and have sent over 120 messages in the past 10 days.

Got one reply, but I don't like her. The low success rate is probably because I am going to Kiev in a month, and I am not there right now.

But I will only have 4 days there. I need to do my homework earlier.

This morning, surprise, my IP got blocked by mamba.

My IP at home got blocked! So I cannot even open a new account!

Probably I sent messages to non-pro and they reported me? Or their AI decides that I sent too many messages in a short time.

I can assure you that my message was not sexual nor offensive tho and I only message girls who were looking for sex / flirt.

It was a frustrating experience.

I am desperate to find someone for a good experience. If you guys can share some hints or contacts please do PM me.In the worst case scenario just find a taxi driver and tell him to show you around. He will know.

[TheNameIsBond2]

In the worst case scenario just find a taxi driver and tell him to show you around. He will know.Hi!

I've just read 43 pages of this topic and I'm excited for my trip to Kiev: the Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?

I will be in Kiev the first week in December. I speak fluent Russian. As I have to stay with people, I cannot host. However I don't mind getting a hotel room if the opportunity presents itself (can only do daytime). Is my best shot asking a taxi driver? I do have some game but logistically not having a place of my own makes things difficult.

Thanks.

[Rugan]

I agree with KY694.

I'm planning my trip to Kiev in good 3 weeks. As it is mainly business travel with tons of meetings, working lunches, dinner where surely won't be destroyed just one glass or bottle of vine it is hard to imagine that me as same as KY694 for example will or can have so much time to checking those sites mentioned here. No matter that my stay is for 3-4 days / nights.

Any tip or instruction about the classic hotel / room escort lady or more of them? In all other cities I'm travelling in east / south-east Europe as Belgrade, Zagreb, Sofia, Bucharest, Budapest in hotels even can be possible to find girls. And surely I don't know Hungarian language.I'd expect if you are in the hotel that asking the doorman might be a good bet. If it's a more upmarket hotel you'll probably find hookers sitting at the bar too.

[AntonySun1996]

30000 grivnas every month! That's probably more than what I made when I was a student in Germany.

I got 2 replies from Mamba. Ru and they asked specifically what I can offer.

Neither of them replied me anymore after I mentioned 4000 UAH /2 hours. Now I know who is putting the bar so high in the market lolll.

Alright, man. I am defeated. There is no way I can be as competitive. (plus you know Russian).

Mamba. Ru is a disappointment so far. I got 3 replied out of 60 messages I sent. And none of the three is interested in my offer.

Thanks for your description for the location. Highly appreciate it.

I think I will have to rely on apartments, now that mamba. Ru seems to be a dead end for me.

Do you have experience with relaxkiev and cracker.com?Yes 30000 hryvnas per month is a big amount compared to the average salary in Kiev. However we have to admit that as foreigners who haven't lived in Ukraine for a long time, it is difficult to fck the hotties at very cheap prices. And of course I am still looking for better deals for me and can finish the current sponsorship whenever I want.

I have tried relaxkiev and most of the profiles are fake, and be ready for old and ugly girls if you want to order girls there. In rare cases however you would have the luck to find a hottie (which I did once), but I wouldn't recommend you, as a 1st time visitor with limited time, to rely too much on the websites.

Talking to girls to find those who would like to meet you on Mamba itself is a time-consuming process, plus there is a risk that they would agree to meet you but never come. I myself haven't tried Mamba but from the previous reviews on the forum I don't think it would be a good idea for you.

Hiring a taxi driver and let him show you around the apartments with girls seem to be a good choice but please keep in mind that most apartment girls are not of high quality. However if you don't like the girls in one place, ask your driver to take you directly to the next, so this method wouldn't waste much of your time. It's not like ordering girls from websites, which can keep you wait in your room for hours for an ugly girl to come. Be patient and keep trying, it is possible to find decent-looking girls in apartments.

Have fun and good luck to your trip in Kiev, hope you have a good time).

[Riina]

Please don't travel to Kiev to meet apartment girls. It's completely against the grain as to why you would go there. A trip to Kiev should be exploration for the possibility of future long term trips or even living there. If you're already certain that's not going to happen, just forget it!

I'm in a US city with a very small migration of Uks. The fun has moved beyond prostitutes to sponsorship for me. If I can fish in a pond, imagine the possibilities in the Ukraine ocean. I'm trying to convince my girl to let me post photos here to show some real proof as to what can be had. The nonsense here is so tiring.

I sincerely feel that the only reason these apartment posts keep popping up here is because the shills need something physical to seduce you to the city. Mamba is no longer sold here because you only need to spend a short time at home with it before you realize its uselessness. RelaxKiev is just another piece of internet [CodeWord116] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116) that someone has decided to bring attention to here. The risk is huge that you'll spend your one week in Kiev isolated.

[KY694]

Yes 30000 hryvnas per month is a big amount compared to the average salary in Kiev. However we have to admit that as foreigners who haven't lived in Ukraine for a long time, it is difficult to fck the hotties at very cheap prices. And of course I am still looking for better deals for me and can finish the current sponsorship whenever I want.

I have tried relaxkiev and most of the profiles are fake, and be ready for old and ugly girls if you want to order girls there. In rare cases however you would have the luck to find a hottie (which I did once), but I wouldn't recommend you, as a 1st time visitor with limited time, to rely too much on the websites.

Talking to girls to find those who would like to meet you on Mamba itself is a time-consuming process, plus there is a risk that they would agree to meet you but never come. I myself haven't tried Mamba but from the previous reviews on the forum I don't think it would be a good idea for you.

Hiring a taxi driver and let him show you around the apartments with girls seem to be a good choice but please keep in mind that most apartment girls are not of high quality. However if you don't like the girls in one place, ask your driver to take you directly to the next, so this method wouldn't waste much of your time. It's not like ordering girls from websites, which can keep you wait in your room for hours for an ugly girl to come. Be patient and keep trying, it is possible to find decent-looking girls in apartments.

Have fun and good luck to your trip in Kiev, hope you have a good time).Thanks for the insights.

I was not so keen on those websites, with your advice, I will probably not try them until I am very very desperate.

Hiring a driver may be a good idea if I can speak Russian, otherwise, it may add more frustration than necessary.

[KY694]

Please don't travel to Kiev to meet apartment girls. It's completely against the grain as to why you would go there. A trip to Kiev should be exploration for the possibility of future long term trips or even living there. If you're already certain that's not going to happen, just forget it!

I'm in a US city with a very small migration of Uks. The fun has moved beyond prostitutes to sponsorship for me. If I can fish in a pond, imagine the possibilities in the Ukraine ocean. I'm trying to convince my girl to let me post photos here to show some real proof as to what can be had. The nonsense here is so tiring.

I sincerely feel that the only reason these apartment posts keep popping up here is because the shills need something physical to seduce you to the city. Mamba is no longer sold here because you only need to spend a short time at home with it before you realize its uselessness. RelaxKiev is just another piece of internet that someone has decided to bring attention to here. The risk is huge that you'll spend your one week in Kiev isolated.I also don't want to rely on RelaxKiev or apartments.

I exactly think that I will get isolated for a week loll.

In that case I may get ripped off by an apartment girl remotely a 6 or 7.

Damn.

[DramaFree11]

Pretty hard to get an apartment girl anything above 6. The only way to get 7's is the street action, Rio or Gia. There just is not that many accessible to Foreign Guys anymore.


I also don't want to rely on RelaxKiev or apartments.

I exactly think that I will get isolated for a week loll.

In that case I may get ripped off by an apartment girl remotely a 6 or 7.

Damn.

[Riina]

Ukrainians are easy to figure out. Got money? They like you! No money? They don't like you.Very true, but I'll add this. The general goal for most foreigners in Ukraine is sponsorship and not really prostitutes. Who wouldn't want to bond with a young beautiful girl. But sponsorship takes time. It typically starts with a small stipend to a girl that actually likes you. Doesn't have to be for sex, just a sincere mutual effort to try to grow something that works. The problem is foreigners come to Kiev with their big money and egos and start flushing cash down the toilet and have all these unrealistic expectations. It doesn't work that way. Every dollar they rain down in waste is just a quicker road to disillusion with the country.

[JohnnyW]

A lot of people write her about Mamba and the girls there. I can only confirm what LilJoey is writing. This is my 10th trip at the moment, so I have a little experience here.

I use Mamba daily to meet new girls and never pay more than $ 100 dollar for at least 2 hours and sometimes even Less. I not looking for models more the next kind of girl types.

The models I had in bed are always disappointed. I had girls from stripclub and Budha Bar before, pay more that $ 200 dollar. But can't say that they are better.

In other club I pay sometimes a little bit more, but most of the time never more than $150 dollar. I will pay a little bit more there because I already know what I have and because the game already starting there.

So read the posy of LilJoey very good and learn to understand Mamba. Lots of possibilities there just know how to find.

For example: Before this trip was to busy to do some homework. Only thing I did was looking at profile and sorting them to favorite. After my first night in Kiev spend one hour to send some message and after one hour already have 5-8 positive reactions. A day later even more because they not always respond lately. Now I have more girls than I can meet.

So good luck in Kiev!

BTW anyone in for a drink, let me know!

[Rugan]

Question to veterans. What can I use to pay for membership, while in Kiev? Are there local prepaid debit Visa cards available? I am understandably hesitant to use personal credit card. PM would be nice.Are you still in Kiev? I pinged the moderator and I can pay for your membership, which I'd be happy to do.

[AntonySun1996]

Thanks for the insights.

I was not so keen on those websites, with your advice, I will probably not try them until I am very very desperate.

Hiring a driver may be a good idea if I can speak Russian, otherwise, it may add more frustration than necessary.If you don't speak Russian, Google Translate would help, and the taxi driver will know what you want.

[AntonySun1996]

In most cases you can just take your girl into your room without anyone even notice you, while occasionally your girl might get stopped by the manager sitting next to the list to fill the guest registration form, and in such cases you just need to put a 500 HR cash into his hand and there will be no problem.

[Riina]

I went back to Kiev for a second trip, meanwhile Andrei had asked me if I could help him out with 50 USD. I was a bit sceptical, but did it anyway. Considered it a big tip, hoping that it would make him work extra hard for me the next time. Did not notice any real difference in the girls Andrei provided the second time vs the first time. Also asked him to find a girl who did deep throat, but he came up with nothing.

After I had gotten home from my second trip he asked me for more money, when I said no he started saying stuff like "I thought we were friends" and such. I kept saying no and he said bye, then I blocked him. Kinda as expected, his "friendship" is only as long as he can get money out of you.I don't know Andreii, but I'd call this guy if I was in Kiev. I have found drugged up pimps to be very useful. I don't do drugs, I'm as clean cut conservative as you'll find. But their's a link between the eroticism I hunt and drug culture. As a hobbyist, I have to accept meaningless transactions to find what I really want. Last week, my girl showed me photos of her girlfriend in Ukraine. A young emaciated thing that smokes weed all day and is too dysfunctional to work. I just started jacking off.

[Mexican Lover]

Hi guys,

I am posting in this forum again after a long time. And it was great to get lot of info from you guys on Kiev. I had to read a lot of posts where there were many debates, to actually get information. I encourage more people to share places, names of women, contacts to really help others, either in forum or message. Went to Ukraine for the 1st time. And I have experience mongering in all other destinations. I believe in not over-paying and paying according to the country, keeping prices in check for everyone.

1. Many of you guys are absolutely right. The amount of beautiful girls you see on the streets and metros that are above 6's is crazy. I totally want to stay here for a longer time. And they do really carry themselves very well, with the right grooming etc. , Every 2nd girl was beautiful (again, everyone has their own taste). Mongering itself may not be so easy at the right price. And need to work on contacts to get the college girl, etc. , which exists, especially in cities with universities. I love Kiev girls, in general Ukrainian girls. A lot of them over 25 have kids and are divorced. Feel free to approach regular girls on streets and if you have game, its easy to get them, as compared to other countries. They like being approached by charming men. Ukraine is relatively cheaper than rest of the world.

2. Regarding tinder, other online dating etc. , Beware of many scamsters and something called as "lunch dating scams" where the only reason the women want to meet is for getting a quick and expensive lunch / coffee from you. If you are desperate for dates, go ahead, if that's all the feeling you want. I actually met a regular girl, who bought me coffee. But that's another story.

3. I managed to find an apartment girl, where the girl I met, was amazing and seemed to take a liking to me. Was totally GFE and even showed me pics of her kids. She went all the way to satisfy me, totally worth the hour, with the longest BJ (not BBBJ) ever, few positions and lot of French kissing. Damage 1000 uah. If you know of more good apartments, kindly share addresses.

4. I have always been a lover of apartment girls, especially in St. Petersburg. I love massages (body-to-body), and totally recommend Dolly's Massage parlor. Met a college girl Lisa, over there who is like a supermodel. She was tall, young and with a gorgeous ass and again, got an amazing GFE from her, and she allowed me to do more than what they promise. Of course, it was a happy ending but I can still feel her skin on mine, which was smooth like butter. In these parlors, you are not allowed to touch the girl or her privates but the rules vary. Damage 600 UAH. If you know of more good places, kindly share.

5. Lviv, also, tried Paradise massage parlor, google it, standard affair, no touching. But the room and music transported me to the 90's. So it was different experience. The girl did not allow any touching at all and the finish was good because of the way she was gazing into my eyes. Generally mongering is not so good. Damage 500 uah. Again share with the forum, information guys.

6. Odessa, again, just tried Yao massage centre. Website is spasalon in odessa. Service mechanical and damage 550 uah. Was a good massage though, they really try to give your body a massage with oil, at the right pressure points, some do it better than the others. I wanted to try the cheaper apartments knowing very well that I will encounter ladies under 6. So I went to try one at Bazarna st. 4. Google it. Prices here are 600 UAH an hour. Girls were not upto what most will expect. However, I found a mature hottie, who was more than willing to satisfy and has tremendous experience. So, not bad for the money. GFE with BJ and sex. Took her time and not mechanical.

Guys, I have to say that with Russia, Ukraine, etc. , I have always found many 8's and 9's who give the most amazing service and good GFE.

A 6 who gives good service makes her an 8. An 8 who gives bad service makes her a 6. Again each one of you have your own preferences, but many girls are willing to be very flexible with generally good attitude. Will totally repeat soon. Belarus is next on the list.

Hope this helps you guys, but share more info, for people who will visit in future, as Kiev forum was not so easy to get this for me, as some of the other forums. Happy mongering!

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

I have met a lot of girls in Kiev. But I have never tried take away from strip clubs.

I tried it in Riga one time and when we come to my Hotel the girl wanted more money. This was not agreed before when we was in the club.

So this is what I wonder about.

When you take a girl from for example Rio and pay for this 300 $. Is then all payed for or not?

Any experience from Rio or Harem guys?

Thanks Ola.

[KY694]

Hi guys,

I am posting in this forum again after a long time. And it was great to get lot of info from you guys on Kiev. I had to read a lot of posts where there were many debates, to actually get information. I encourage more people to share places, names of women, contacts to really help others, either in forum or message. Went to Ukraine for the 1st time. And I have experience mongering in all other destinations. I believe in not over-paying and paying according to the country, keeping prices in check for everyone.

1. Many of you guys are absolutely right. The amount of beautiful girls you see on the streets and metros that are above 6's is crazy. I totally want to stay here for a longer time. And they do really carry themselves very well, with the right grooming etc. , Every 2nd girl was beautiful (again, everyone has their own taste). Mongering itself may not be so easy at the right price. And need to work on contacts to get the college girl, etc. , which exists, especially in cities with universities. I love Kiev girls, in general Ukrainian girls. A lot of them over 25 have kids and are divorced. Feel free to approach regular girls on streets and if you have game, its easy to get them, as compared to other countries. They like being approached by charming men. Ukraine is relatively cheaper than rest of the world..Thanks for the report.

I have a stupid question.

In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".

But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.

I am of course looking for french kisses.

I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.

Can you share the contact of the apartment (website? Where you paid 1000 UAH?

[KY694]

Hello,

I have met a lot of girls in Kiev. But I have never tried take away from strip clubs.

I tried it in Riga one time and when we come to my Hotel the girl wanted more money. This was not agreed before when we was in the club.

So this is what I wonder about.

When you take a girl from for example Rio and pay for this 300 $. Is then all payed for or not?

Any experience from Rio or Harem guys?

Thanks Ola.No, but I am interested to try.

Ola, of the mamba girls you contacted, how many of them are semi-pro, and how many of them turned out to be pro / apartment?

[Kirch]

At Rio you pay 400 Griwna entrance fee. If you want to take one of the girls it's USD 300 or EUR 300 (yes it's weird but true, better to pay in Dollar or Griwna) for 3 hours. You pay her in the Club and believe me there will be no discussion about more money once you arrived at your place. Only thing they all ask for is 100-200 Griwna for taxi afterwards.

But you have to deal with her in advance what she is offering / doing!

I was yesterday at Rio and it was great! So many new girls (I prefer the basement club as here the new girls start to dance). For my kind of taste there were at least 5 perfect girls. I couldn't decide which one to take. I decided for Ira (18 years old and so skinny), she did a very good job but for my type too much professional. But it was a great time.

Another stunner there is Daria! Well let's say all skinny lovers will have their fun there!

And read my other posts about Rio! It's the best deal you can get if you want a save place, good quality, healthy girls, good drinks and food, most girls in Kiev to choose from. All the girls at apartments, from Mamba, from Vodka Club or Shooters were in my eyes cheap, at Rio many of the girls have attitude and manners! And here is the most interesting thing about Rio, many times it is the cheapest place in Kiev! If you take her from the club around 1:30 am, it doesn't make sense for the girl to go back to the Club, so I had 70% of the girls from Rio which stayed until next morning, let's say 10 hours in total. That's 25 Euro / Hour for a very nice, beautiful, stunning girl. Tell me one other place where you get this for that kind of money?

And now I see the other guys writing here that this is not true, they get girls elsewhere in Kiev for less or no money. Yeah yeah right. Let them talk. I can imagine how beautiful they are and what perfect body they have;-) . Not! Those people here at ISG also write about the GREAT FKK Clubs in Germany. So I know what kind of girls they are looking for. We in Germany don't go anymore to those FFK clubs as it is crowded by Rumanian girls and their attitude, manners, etc. Is absolutely bad and they look all the same. The service is bad and they behave too professional. I know many friends from abroad who still love this type of club and girl. But I am talking about completely other girls.

So if you jsut want to have a cheap f* with a girl you don't care how she looks like, don't go to Rio.


Hello,

I have met a lot of girls in Kiev. But I have never tried take away from strip clubs.

I tried it in Riga one time and when we come to my Hotel the girl wanted more money. This was not agreed before when we was in the club.

So this is what I wonder about.

When you take a girl from for example Rio and pay for this 300 $. Is then all payed for or not?

Any experience from Rio or Harem guys?

Thanks Ola.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

It is more and more difficult to find good semi-pros on Mamba.

So many men pay to big money and totally destroy the marked.

People pay a month salary for a teacher for some hours with a regular woman!

I have met one from Mamba who have a job as assistant for the CEO of a big international company. The Ukraine office.

She have a son. A job that in most countries would give here a good life.

In Ukraine this job means she have not that great salary and she must be more than the assistant. (Read mistress).

Look for the girls or the MILF. Those who have a job and children and maybe a husband.

This one was fucking me as I was here love of life. And for 100 $. Remember: In Ukraine this is very good money for 2 hours!

But it is not easy to find like this anymore. You need to be a lot in Ukraine then and develop a sponsor relation.

But when you find the woman who do it just for urgent need of money, the one who do it not more than once a week.

Then you can have a super time in Kiev.

None of the girls I have met come from Apartments. Look up their Insta or FB profile.

Look for those who are students or have a job. Look for those who have a boyfriend. A regular life.

Ola.


No, but I am interested to try.

Ola, of the mamba girls you contacted, how many of them are semi-pro, and how many of them turned out to be pro / apartment?

[HelianthusRex]

Well, my almost 1 month long trip to Kiev came to an end yesterday. Wish I didn't have to leave!

At first I had a really hard time getting around and meeting any girls of the kind I wanted. I really enjoy the "girl next door", fresh and natural type.

I ended up going to a few clubs, check out 007 strip club out of curiosity. None of the girls were my type.

I ended up talking to a fellow monger at Shooters and the guy told me he used a translator / guide service to get better deals on an apartment. I thought, maybe this guy can help with translating for girl hunting too.

Well, I got in touch with the guy and was glad I did. We went out to a bunch of clubs including some underground places that I didn't know about like raves and local clubs. But, after the site seeing I asked if the translator could help me find a fresh, semi-pro type instead of all the brothels. We ended up making a profile on Mamba and trying some backpage type site. I got to sleep with 5 girls that were just perfect! All students 18-21 and eager to please. The translator was great- http://personalvoice.angelfire.com.

I got to recount the story of one girl, a blonde name Masha. God damn she was good! After some coffee we arranged to go to my place. She spoke no English which is great since she was totally unspoiled. I was her first foreigner and she was from a small village. After I closed the door, I gave her a massage to help her relax. She was a bit nervous. She is just 18 years old, a first year student at uni. Long legs, tight, fresh body-perfect. I started massaging in between her legs and she started to get really wet! It was so much better than the mechanical sex pros give. She was really natural and sweet and really horny after she relaxed a bit. We started to make out and I fingered her tight, wet pussy for a long time. I thought I would explode from how aroused I was. I got her clothes off and admired her perfect tight body and pert tits. We went at it in all the best positions and her pussy was so wet I couldn't believe it. Dripping in pussy juice as it made a sloshing sound. She was moaning and seemed to be enjoying herself almost as much as I was. I came so hard in doggie style.

I definitely plan to come back to Kiev soon. Meeting non-pros was much better and will spend even more time in the future. The girls need less money and more importantly the attitudes were great.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

There is so many strip clubs in Kiev. And Rio is OK but far from the best one.

So. What is this. Is it Advertising for this club or what?

And yes it is possible to get a Ukraine Fucking Sex Machine who look like a 7++ for 100 $ / 2 hours!

Insta: maryyegorova, alisha_n, provocative_doll, natali_7443 , makkarena125 and so on.

I asked about Dolls, Harem or the strip club on the boat, Baccara or so. Anyone who tried?

Ola.


At Rio you pay 400 Griwna entrance fee. If you want to take one of the girls it's USD 300 or EUR 300 (yes it's weird but true, better to pay in Dollar or Griwna) for 3 hours. You pay her in the Club and believe me there will be no discussion about more money once you arrived at your place. Only thing they all ask for is 100-200 Griwna for taxi afterwards.

But you have to deal with her in advance what she is offering / doing!

I was yesterday at Rio and it was great! So many new girls (I prefer the basement club as here the new girls start to dance). For my kind of taste there were at least 5 perfect girls. I couldn't decide which one to take. I decided for Ira (18 years old and so skinny), she did a very good job but for my type too much professional. But it was a great time..

[MorandUK]

Hi!

I've just read 43 pages of this topic and I'm excited for my trip to Kiev: the Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?

I will be in Kiev the first week in December. I speak fluent Russian. As I have to stay with people, I cannot host. However I don't mind getting a hotel room if the opportunity presents itself (can only do daytime). Is my best shot asking a taxi driver? I do have some game but logistically not having a place of my own makes things difficult.

Thanks.Generally speaking asking a taxi driver to show you around usually works. I don't for Kiev in particular but I assume it will work. Taxi drivers usually know the market.

[BigSean]

I agree with you.

I remember in 2015, I visited Rio and Doll. None of them was good and I basically waisted three nights there.

Do strip clubs in Kiev really recover? I am highly doubt about it.


Hello,

There is so many strip clubs in Kiev. And Rio is OK but far from the best one.

So. What is this. Is it Advertising for this club or what?

And yes it is possible to get a Ukraine Fucking Sex Machine who look like a 7++ for 100 $ / 2 hours!

Insta: maryyegorova, alisha_n, provocative_doll, natali_7443 , makkarena125 and so on.

I asked about Dolls, Harem or the strip club on the boat, Baccara or so. Anyone who tried?

Ola.

[Kirch]

You are right, its possible to get those girls but if you don't want to loose time I go to a strip club like Rio + all the other advantages you have there. Mandarin (strip club on the boat) is closed. It was owned by the Rio guys. They opened a new club: Scarlet. I haven't tried yet but will tonight as they offer free ride from Rio to Scarlet and back to Rio. Dolls, Solid, Harem, etc. Are nice but I prefer more girls to choose from and there are not too many girls. Baccara I don't know. And no, its not advertisement. Just experience from about 200 strip club visits in Kiev and too much wasted time in clubs like Buddha bar, Sky Bar, Dante, Dlux, Shooter, Wodka bar, etc. As well as too many fakes from Mamba and escort sides. GIA is ok as well but way too expensive these days.


Hello,

There is so many strip clubs in Kiev. And Rio is OK but far from the best one.

So. What is this. Is it Advertising for this club or what?

And yes it is possible to get a Ukraine Fucking Sex Machine who look like a 7++ for 100 $ / 2 hours!

Insta: maryyegorova, alisha_n, provocative_doll, natali_7443 , makkarena125 and so on.

I asked about Dolls, Harem or the strip club on the boat, Baccara or so. Anyone who tried?

Ola.

[Kirch]

I had Nights in Kiev who were really bad as well! No doubt. But what I want to explain is that it is a matter what you are looking for. I like skinny, young and beautiful girls and you get them at Rio. I am here right now and 3 Nights in a row I have more than enough of them. But last time it was just one out of 100! I want good drinks, clean surroundings, reliable managers, lots of girls too choose from etc etc. This is what you get there and nowhere else in Kiev. Its just a fact and I am wondering about people here who has been to Kiev may be 10 times and think they know everything. I can't count how often I was here and spend so many times at ALL strip clubs here. And the people that don't like strip clubs here at ISG, how come you know so much about them? Haha.


I agree with you.

I remember in 2015, I visited Rio and Doll. None of them was good and I basically waisted three nights there.

Do strip clubs in Kiev really recover? I am highly doubt about it.

[Wingwang]

Hi guys,

I am posting in this forum again after a long time. And it was great to get lot of info from you guys on Kiev. I had to read a lot of posts where there were many debates, to actually get information. I encourage more people to share places, names of women, contacts to really help others, either in forum or message. Went to Ukraine for the 1st time. And I have experience mongering in all other destinations. I believe in not over-paying and paying according to the country, keeping prices in check for everyone.

1. Many of you guys are absolutely right. The amount of beautiful girls you see on the streets and metros that are above 6's is crazy. I totally want to stay here for a longer time. And they do really carry themselves very well, with the right grooming etc. , Every 2nd girl was beautiful (again, everyone has their own taste). Mongering itself may not be so easy at the right price. And need to work on contacts to get the college girl, etc. , which exists, especially in cities with universities. I love Kiev girls, in general Ukrainian girls. A lot of them over 25 have kids and are divorced. Feel free to approach regular girls on streets and if you have game, its easy to get them, as compared to other countries. They like being approached by charming men. Ukraine is relatively cheaper than rest of the world.

2. Regarding tinder, other online dating etc. , Beware of many scamsters and something called as "lunch dating scams" where the only reason the women want to meet is for getting a quick and expensive lunch / coffee from you. If you are desperate for dates, go ahead, if that's all the feeling you want. I actually met a regular girl, who bought me coffee. But that's another story.Could you share link or pics of the apartment girls you went with during the trip.

Thanks, WW.

[KY694]

Well, my almost 1 month long trip to Kiev came to an end yesterday. Wish I didn't have to leave!

At first I had a really hard time getting around and meeting any girls of the kind I wanted. I really enjoy the "girl next door", fresh and natural type.

I ended up going to a few clubs, check out 007 strip club out of curiosity. None of the girls were my type.

I ended up talking to a fellow monger at Shooters and the guy told me he used a translator / guide service to get better deals on an apartment. I thought, maybe this guy can help with translating for girl hunting too.

Well, I got in touch with the guy and was glad I did. We went out to a bunch of clubs including some underground places that I didn't know about like raves and local clubs. But, after the site seeing I asked if the translator could help me find a fresh, semi-pro type instead of all the brothels. We ended up making a profile on Mamba and trying some backpage type site. I got to sleep with 5 girls that were just perfect! All students 18-21 and eager to please..The service looks good. But the website has no phone number whatsoever. And it is a new website.

If I found myself, I would have thought it was a scam.

How much did you pay for the agency?

[Raffzahn]

30000 grivnas every month! That's probably more than what I made when I was a student in Germany.That's less than 1000 Euro at actual exchange rate. Are you sure you studied in Germany?

[Raffzahn]

Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?It works that way in every city in every country (not sure about Varican state). They always know the business. After all, the ladies and their customers are one major business source. They need to take a taxi before and after each job. Business men needing a recomendation are a standard issue.

Try it today in your home town (assuming it's a bit larger than three houses). Take a cab and when seated, ask what services he could recomend. No cover story needed).

[PhotoSlider]

Are you still in Kiev? I pinged the moderator and I can pay for your membership, which I'd be happy to do.Thanks for your kind offer, Rugan. I had 28 girls in 20 days, 25 of them new. Some shared phones / Viber contacts for freelance activities. Obviously few misses here and there, yet many hot ones. Lots of students. Can share info, but would understand your reluctance if you are not in Kiev anymore. Wish I read this sooner, but as you can imagine- it takes a lot of self discipline to focus and concentrate, while in Kiev. Reading ISG and meeting you crossed my mind, but "I got distracted" so to speak.

Stayed at the nice apartment $51/ night next to Avalon. Sometimes within the 5-6 hours had 3 different girls strolling along with me towards the apartment while Avalon employees were watching from their back entrance.

Left on 21st, and am now in what I jokingly call "rehab after Kiev festivities". Tried to hire a secretary as you did. One HR lady in Kiev accused me of fishing for an escort. I thought she's fat and ugly herself, and is jealous of all the fun young beauties have while nobody is looking at her anymore.

I had more luck with what I call "Consolidator Service Provider" for 1700-2000 UAH / HR. Also had one girl twice for GFE multiple hours, including BBBJ and more true passion for 2500 UAH total for a whole night (6 pm-4:30 am on the first encounter), met her as a roommate of my prior acquaintance. That was a rare exception though. Been to Rio twice, got there a phone number of 19 yo hottie. Didn't like Scarlet, IMHO it's a milking machine without any soul. Rio is better, Mandarin was the best, YMMV, as tastes differ.

To be continued.

[PhotoSlider]

Are you still in Kiev? I pinged the moderator and I can pay for your membership, which I'd be happy to do.I figured yet another potential way to pay for much coveted premium membership. I can send 20 or even 40 bucks by regular mail within US, not a personal check, but simply a few banknotes. If it's lost, then so be it. Don't want to be an "el cheapo", fishing for Rugan's funds. Need a street address, or P. O. box within US. Whoever wants to sponsor in exchange for Kiev mongering methodology that worked for me again and again. Criticism is welcome, please say: "You suck!" I won't be insulted or intimidated.

And it was 30, not 28 girls! Forgot about couple MILFs.

Two out of those 30 I would never ever touch again, because of their appearance, yet I did. Rugan may explain why. And 3 more were beautiful, yet one was kicked out after 2 days stay because of attitude. The other two were either lazy, greedy or dishonest.

And overall in these 3 weeks, at least 10 took me straight to heaven!

The pinnacle of the trip were two "stereo" events, that is two separate threesome arrangements. The first one with a well known young lady friend, and a newbie, very entertaining And the other "stereo" ended up in bed only as a twosome, as the girls started competing beforehand instead of cooperating, I also had too much champagne.

Cheers!

[PhotoSlider]

Thanks for the report.

I have a stupid question.

In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".

But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.

I am of course looking for french kisses.

I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.You may certainly ask the manager prior to ordering particular massage services. I usually go with the flow, and instead of paying upfront, warm up the girl, and if the chemistry is there, then it's all you want except for intercourse. Even better to order massage services at your place, then you are not watched / filmed and on couple occasions I received full service without discussing the price. I did compensate properly, and saw that both ladies left excited and content.

[PhotoSlider]

Hello,

I have met a lot of girls in Kiev. But I have never tried take away from strip clubs.

I tried it in Riga one time and when we come to my Hotel the girl wanted more money. This was not agreed before when we was in the club.

So this is what I wonder about.

When you take a girl from for example Rio and pay for this 300 $. Is then all payed for or not?

Any experience from Rio or Harem guys?

Thanks Ola.Never paid extra for Rio girls, not even taxi fare. They usually managed it by asking to leave sooner, explaining something along the lines: "What else are we going to do?" and expecting you to be a nice polite person. Being a mischievous kind, I usually counteroffer with request for a foot massage and a blow job.

[PhotoSlider]

Hi!

I've just read 43 pages of this topic and I'm excited for my trip to Kiev: the Is it really that easy to just ask a taxi driver? Or do you have to find taxis at a certain location?

I will be in Kiev the first week in December. I speak fluent Russian. As I have to stay with people, I cannot host. However I don't mind getting a hotel room if the opportunity presents itself (can only do daytime). Is my best shot asking a taxi driver? I do have some game but logistically not having a place of my own makes things difficult.

Thanks.Well, then change the rules of your game and do have a place of your own. I would rent a cheap separate apartment and occasionally "go for a walk", - meaning you tell your people that you'll be away for few hours, and make your arrangements whichever way you like. Rio takeout, call girls, street hunting, inviting masseuses to your "palace of love", luring waitresses with a promise of glamour and maybe a gift, etc. AirBnB can be as cheap as $30-50/ night.

[AntonySun1996]

It works that way in every city in every country (not sure about Varican state). They always know the business. After all, the ladies and their customers are one major business source. They need to take a taxi before and after each job. Business men needing a recomendation are a standard issue.

Try it today in your home town (assuming it's a bit larger than three houses). Take a cab and when seated, ask what services he could recomend. No cover story needed).Does this also work in England?

[PhotoSlider]

Does this also work in England?Half a million population in my metro area. Freshly printed issues of Playboy and Hustler at every 7 x 11 promise adventures around the corner, so do Asian massage parlors with gorgeous ads and old filthy workers behind their front desks.

Both regular cab drivers, and Uber ones know nothing about supposedly abundant and easily available objects of desire.

[PhotoSlider]

Speaking about "bait and switch", fake pix, etc.

This 5'11" may not be 20 yo, but she is hot and for 1800 UAH +100 taxi = 70 USD -- can it be any better?

Great attitude, awesome breast! Her short hair might be a turn off for adamant and spoiled ones. It actually made me even more horny. She is exactly as you see her in these pix!

I would meet Viola again and again, but my objective, as you could guess, was to meet as many freshly minted new ones, as humanly possible.

If you cannot read Russian, open it in Chrome, and it'll offer to translate automatically:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11170

[PhotoSlider]

Lida is another one along the same lines:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11235

One morning she arrived in a "casting cab" with other girls, having a tired look after a long night. I didn't pick her, and provided feedback to dispatcher. And few days later saw Lida again in all her irresistible glory. Pictures are real, so is the price, and so is fun with her.

[Raffzahn]

Does this also work in England?Well, I haven't checked any UK city, but it worked well for me over the past 20 years. Not only in large cities, but places like Coventry or Sheffield. Heck, it even worked in a place called Bracknell, somewhere west of London, and that's AFA I'm concerned not even a city.

Ofc, the scene in England is a bit more complicated, as brotels arn't legal, AFAIK. Ofc, girls work in their apartments, and some join and something llike a 'pop up brotel' is created, but how long this stays acive does quite much depend on how the local police force handles this. Nonetheless, cabbies are the number one source to find you way if you're not local or otherwise well informed.

[Guntherus]

Speaking about "bait and switch", fake pix, etc.
Photo Slider, Why can't I send you personal message?

[KY694]

Thanks for your kind offer, Rugan. I had 28 girls in 20 days, 25 of them new. Some shared phones / Viber contacts for freelance activities. Obviously few misses here and there, yet many hot ones. Lots of students. Can share info, but would understand your reluctance if you are not in Kiev anymore. Wish I read this sooner, but as you can imagine- it takes a lot of self discipline to focus and concentrate, while in Kiev. Reading ISG and meeting you crossed my mind, but "I got distracted" so to speak.

Stayed at the nice apartment $51/ night next to Avalon. Sometimes within the 5-6 hours had 3 different girls strolling along with me towards the apartment while Avalon employees were watching from their back entrance.

Left on 21st, and am now in what I jokingly call "rehab after Kiev festivities". Tried to hire a secretary as you did. One HR lady in Kiev accused me of fishing for an escort..Thanks for your reply about "kissing" in massage places.

I will try to have them to my place so that we can have more freedom.

Congrats for your success in Kiev.

I read some of your previous posts. Can you break down for us where did you find these 30 girls?

You have a HR looking for talents for you? You found them in massage places, Rio and apartments?

Or you also looked through mamba for non / semi pro?

Except 1-2 exception that you paid 2500/ night, for other girls you paid 300 $/ night (Rio)?

I am curious.

[PhotoSlider]

Thanks for your reply about "kissing" in massage places.

I will try to have them to my place so that we can have more freedom...This time I didn't make it to "Relax" on Pushkinskaya, next to Premiere Palace, where I had good service since 2014, and met nice ladies, - two of them are true friends today. Not sure if Relax still exists, as at one point Natasha said it was up for sale. Recently one of their managers, also a friend of mine, quit from there.

After visiting erotic boutique on Maidan, I made an honest attempt to get erotic massage once. And failed. First of all I was 1 hour late after calling them at:

https://body-studio.com.ua/en/

Then I wasn't impressed with line up. Understandably it was early in the morning, by Kiev standards. Tried to go with the best available, felt her attitude, as I am no Brad Pitt. Asked manager about DATY, being 99.999% certain I would get refusal, and left without regrets, knowing that for about the same money I'll get FS to my apartment from "Consolidators" only 30-90 minutes later. And I had time.

This was an extent of my erotic massage adventures in November 2017, - one lame effort, that didn't come to fruition. Sometimes I get massages without letting them jerk me off, because I need a massage, and I have another real encounter lined up soon. Ladies in Kiev, being conscientious providers, always take it as a personal insult, and demand an explanation. "You made me come, I want you to be happy too! This is not fair!

That place next to Maidan had a fake hidden service ad on their website, where you could rent a full hotel, not a huge one, but still. With masseuses and security. For additional fee you could gag and whip and slap around administrator, dressed in latex, leather and such, and then burn down the hotel. Don't remember the price - $100 K, or a cool million. What a party to remember, huh?

There was a great blonde from Poltava at that place. She gave me the phone number in 2015 after passionate kissing on-site, answered her phone few times in the following days, and then we drifted apart. She claimed not having a nice enough dress for going out being the reason.