Kyiv

[AlanZ]

My last enjoyable adventure was in Kiev, where I tried erotic lady massage kiev (http://salondream.kiev.ua/). That pretty massage master met me in luxury underwear and introduced me to the new world of sensual pleasures. It was great experience for me, I think I'll never forget it.

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I read some of your previous posts. Can you break down for us where did you find these 30 girls?

You have a HR looking for talents for you? You found them in massage places, Rio and apartments?

Or you also looked through mamba for non / semi pro?

Except 1-2 exception that you paid 2500/ night, for other girls you paid 300 $/ night (Rio)?

I am curious.HR didn't work out. I started too late, and one I found was protective of Kiev ladies virtues and moral values.

My approach has been explained here many times by Stevie69, Riina, SgtBoyle, LilJoey, and other respected high level executives.

First of all I treat ladies nice, but do not let them run the show. Build relationship, make them feel special, and not on the job. They sense my genuine respect, and respond in a most impeccable manner.

Didn't do check out at Rio. Expensive and I had time to allow for statistical outliers either way during my research. Asked young lady at Rio discreetly for a phone number instead, explaining I prefer to pay her directly. I am OK with 8-10-12 hours of romance, not clock watching, and throwing money around.

Never did mamba.

Came to apartment once. Picked a girl to go with me. At my place she started upselling MBR and DATY persistently, until I threatened legal action with her employer. That's when she said: "I only get 300 out of this 1800."Thus confirming my philosophy of dealing with students delivered to my door, and not paying for provider's "base"/ apartment rent. Apartment girls are malign and sinister due to sweatshop conditions. They live like rats.

One contact was from 2015 Rio. Free. She arrived driving her sponsor's souped up SUV. Well, we had a dinner for 3 at a nice restaurant, nothing outrageous though. Girls got to have fun and variety in their boring lives.

Two more contacts were from GIA 2016. Paid $300 for 3 pm-midnight (less than $50/ HR) on multiple occasions, and from one of them I am still recovering, unexpectedly, she's that good.

One was a roommate of 2014 masseuse from Relax. She is in Rome / Milan right now. Yet she was another diamond in the Royal Crown of Kiev City. So much for complaints here about visa-free travel, and no hot ones available. She's stayed with me 2 days for free, while On one occasion I was courting a newbie MILF.

The rest 20+ were from couple new agencies, that I established reliable contact with in the first few days. 1700-2000 UAH / HR, as stated previously.

The above is probably not for 5-7 days visit. Investment has been done over many years, prior to River Palace and Restown.

To be continued.

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Except 1-2 exception that you paid 2500/ night, for other girls you paid 300 $/ night (Rio)?Did overnight with 2 separate girls. Both later participated in threesomes. I just couldn't stay monogamous for that long.

One girl stayed two nights for free. I certainly went with her to Avalon, nice concerts, bought her cute earrings, entertained with hitting on other girls in her presence (but mostly we were friends, admiring each other's company.

The only other girl (also prior acquaintance) staying overnight, was allowed to attend university classes during the day (while I secretly had my own visitors at an hourly rate and it came down to 16 hours a day for 6000 UAH - 2 days / nights for $450. Kicked her out for not forthcoming with blowjobs. They were BBBJs though. She also didn't kiss passionately enough- cast out. She was smart, fun, but didn't make love to her middle aged partner, was rather mechanical and evasive. While departing, she turned around from afar, and saw me opening the taxi door for a long legged widely smiling brunette. They missed facing each other due to traffic jams literally by 30 seconds. I call it "Change of Guards".

Random hourly visitors were far better for the sheer enjoyment of new faces, shapes, sizes, lingerie brands, and overall styles.

One young lady was truly special. Saw her 4 times for the whole day. She never stays overnight, which is fine with me. Sleeping at night in my own bed is healthy. Calling agency at 7 am for first visitor at 7:30 might be laughable, but I am what I am.

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Thanks for your reply about "kissing" in massage places.

I will try to have them to my place so that we can have more freedom.You may want to get to know each other on-site first. She may not trust you at you place right away, and within her quarters during the first encounter she would feel more comfortable, yet curious about your potential and promise of getting her away from routine. You can also feel her out. I prefer creative and smart ones. Ask when she's done at work, and invite her after work, suggesting to pay directly, not to split with her employer. Do not propose going to a restaurant, they've heard it all, besides they may not like the idea of being seen with older gentlemen. Ask what she wants, be respectfully creative. Best of luck, and share your story please.

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http://kievlady.com/modeli/11170Correction and my apologies, Viola is currently visiting in Moscow. But she is from Poltava, so should be back in Kiev at some point, and there's enough gold fish besides her in that ever changing fish tank.

[KY694]

You may want to get to know each other on-site first. She may not trust you at you place right away, and within her quarters during the first encounter she would feel more comfortable, yet curious about your potential and promise of getting her away from routine. You can also feel her out. I prefer creative and smart ones. Ask when she's done at work, and invite her after work, suggesting to pay directly, not to split with her employer. Do not propose going to a restaurant, they've heard it all, besides they may not like the idea of being seen with older gentlemen. Ask what she wants, be respectfully creative. Best of luck, and share your story please.Thanks for the great advice.

I have never tried massage parlors. Another member here also suggested me. I think I will try it in Kiev.

I don't have a lot of time in Kiev, but I will try to know the girl on site first. I do prefer girls who can speak English and are sympathetic.

Yes, I will surely share my story after my trip in Dec. My story will not be as exciting as yours, since I will only have a few days in Kiev, but I will be glad to share.

[KY694]

Did overnight with 2 separate girls. Both later participated in threesomes. I just couldn't stay monogamous for that long.

One girl stayed two nights for free. I certainly went with her to Avalon, nice concerts, bought her cute earrings, entertained with hitting on other girls in her presence (but mostly we were friends, admiring each other's company..6000 UAH for a day is such a good price!

I understand your point about the random hourly girls for the sake of novelty. Yet, I am also afraid the agencies may send random ugly / old / fat girls to my door. That will be such a letdown.

I would be happy to meet 2-4 girls and keep repeating them.

As you said, a big part of the money is going to the agencies.

It hurt me to think that my money is going to the agencies. They did little for the money they share and sometime they may even treat the girls poorly.

If I repeat a girl, I can probably contact her directly so that I make sure that she gets all the money from the second date on.

I also got some tips from other members on how to use mamba to find semi-pro. There are a lot of posts about that on this forum.

Mamba will take a lot of time, but if I aim at finding 2-3 girls only, it is totally manageable.

The only problem is I find mamba / badoo too addictive for my lack-of-self-control personality.

Too many possibilities in Kiev, I certainly won't have enough time.

[Limarian]

This is encouraging stuff but not ultimately helpful. Re. Names, descriptions and contact details wherever possible. Where exactly do you go, how much do you pay etc.

Regards.


Did overnight with 2 separate girls. Both later participated in threesomes. I just couldn't stay monogamous for that long.

One girl stayed two nights for free. I certainly went with her to Avalon, nice concerts, bought her cute earrings, entertained with hitting on other girls in her presence (but mostly we were friends, admiring each other's company.

The only other girl (also prior acquaintance) staying overnight, was allowed to attend university classes during the day (while I secretly had my own visitors at an hourly rate and it came down to 16 hours a day for 6000 UAH - 2 days / nights for $450. Kicked her out for not forthcoming with blowjobs. They were BBBJs though. She also didn't kiss passionately enough- cast out. She was smart, fun, but didn't make love to her middle aged partner, was rather mechanical and evasive. While departing, she turned around from afar, and saw me opening the taxi door for a long legged widely smiling brunette. They missed facing each other due to traffic jams literally by 30 seconds. I call it "Change of Guards".

Random hourly visitors were far better for the sheer enjoyment of new faces, shapes, sizes, lingerie brands, and overall styles.

One young lady was truly special. Saw her 4 times for the whole day. She never stays overnight, which is fine with me. Sleeping at night in my own bed is healthy. Calling agency at 7 am for first visitor at 7:30 might be laughable, but I am what I am.

[TheNameIsBond2]

Hi,

I see that someone mentioned kievlady and I started to look through it. I have a few questions about it if anyone has used it before:

1. If I use a foreign phone number, does that scare ladies or make them try to raise rates?

2. Do you have to negotiate all details about they will do before meeting?

3. Does price = quality? (where I'm at price does not mean quality).

4. Any recommendations to find a great date. I have limited time and want to make the best of it. Will be there next week.

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I understand your point about the random hourly girls for the sake of novelty. Yet, I am also afraid the agencies may send random ugly / old / fat girls to my door. That will be such a letdown.

I would be happy to meet 2-4 girls and keep repeating them.

As you said, a big part of the money is going to the agencies.I mostly did the opposite. Major business objective was to be as promiscuous as possible. The underlying logic is that typically random girls don't try as hard on the second date. And that proved being true at least twice:

The girls said it themselves:

- Dispatcher mentioned you, and we both jumped at the offer right away: "I'm going to go! I'm going to go!

I was drunk and with friend upon their arrival, and broke my own rule by taking two familiar ones out of the taxi for repeated action, instead of requesting "More wine and fresh women!" They looked great. Gave 19 yo one to friend, and started my own games with heavily tattooed beauty with the body of rhythmic gymnast (and she is). Lady was tired though. And afterwards complained in a sincerely disappointed voice:

- Everybody offers a drink, and I haven't eaten in over 20 hours!

- Why didn't you tell me? Next time, please, the moment you walk-in to my residence, say at once: "I'm hungry!

So I fed her with more than decent food, and she left happy to see her husband, stating rather assertively:

- I am married, and he waits for me!

- Right. Where is he exactly at the moment? Don't see him anywhere.

Bottomline: fat ugly ones arrived at about 30% rate in the beginning of my trip. I used rejects as the way to eliminate poor quality providers and establish reliable rapport with more responsive ones. I literally said: "Well groomed, elegant, educated, clean skin. Do not waste my and your own time please. Let me help you to make more money. " That lead to improved business performance by lowering rejects to less than 10%.

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Hi,

I see that someone mentioned kievlady and I started to look through it. I have a few questions about it if anyone has used it before:

1. If I use a foreign phone number, does that scare ladies or make them try to raise rates?

2. Do you have to negotiate all details about they will do before meeting?

3. Does price = quality? (where I'm at price does not mean quality).

4. Any recommendations to find a great date. I have limited time and want to make the best of it. Will be there next week.1. Communicate via Viber. Good agencies have palatable English. They ultimately don't care about your phone number and country code. I would still get a separate sterile mongerphone with Kyivstar mongerSIM, not associated with your regular life, Gmail, AppleID and such.

2. I didn't. Dispatcher doesn't care, stating "Negotiate with the girls". KievLady lists the skill set upfront on the site. 2000 is not much to loose if she's too uptight. I am not that diverse in my demands, and happy with them ladies being happy and unfolding at their own speed and extent. I would rather have them surprise me, this is not drive-through McDonald's after all.

3. $100/190 an hour can be worse than 1800 UAH / HR. Performance from $300-500 GIA girl has been much worse than from 2500 UAH /9 hours young mother. Much depends on your attitude. 900-1200 UAH / HR might be a little low. 1500-2000 seems the new standard. I would even say 1800-2000 range makes it comfortable and worthwhile for all the involved parties: girls, dispatchers, business owners and your not so humble servant. I was offered super cool $100+ girls, and refused to partake. That defines the search criteria and asserts you as a serious player, but not a high roller.

4. Ask your AirBnB to stock your fridge prior to your arrival: Martini Bianco, White and Rose semi-dry or semi-sweet wine $10-15/ bottle, Champagne Brut (2-3 bottles at $7-10) No beer, girls don't. No vodka. Maybe cognac. Misc. Fruits and berries. Water, bottled and by gallon, tea bags. Raphaello and Ferrero Rocher candy. Some love chocolate. That'll help you hit the ground running.

It's all the obvious, those little things that come to most of us naturally, yet excessive negotiations and mistrust, suspicion, negativity will kill any hint of goodness. Don't let them milk you, but by all means don't be a jerk, it's Kiev.

I always meet them in the cab, and pay full + 100 UAH for taxi to girls I rejected, unless I was lied to in an outrageous manner, or they are rude.

When lady walks into your apartment, let her look around, making sure this is not a gangbang, and she is safe. Ask if she wants to take a shower, give her a clean towel. In the meantime she'll check in with her managers over the phone, sometimes in your presence, sometimes from your washroom. After that offer a drink, let her make her own choice, even if it's only a cup of tea or glass of water. Give her a hug, don't push the French kiss yet, be a gentleman, it'll go a long way in the bedroom.

You are asking where to find them good girls. My firm belief is this: you will make out of her whatever she can be, and it's a wide range. From a great performer from seemingly mediocre office worker to a flesh eating monster destined to ruin your night, well, maybe not quite the latter. It's all about the aftertaste before you fall asleep though, with her head on your shoulder and her thigh hugging yours, or without.

I will not give contacts yet, as I will not have membership messaging privileges for another 5 months. I explained why before. This will help others, while understandably irritate many on this forum. My apologies in advance. Hopefully the methodology provided above in implicit manner somewhat offsets your hard feelings.

Identify agencies on kievlady. Do not call. Use Viber. Use your intuition. Explain your criteria. Kiev market is rich enough to satisfy most of us.

BTW, I have the audacity to setup the first girl from the taxi at the airport arriving into the city. Last time had a nice surprise right at the curb upon landing in Boryspol.

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4. Any recommendations to find a great date. I have limited time and want to make the best of it. Will be there next week.Study Russian. Writing, pronunciation, simple phrases. Kiev is still mostly Russian speaking.

Use of English is increasing with every year, so does Ukrainian. However, do your best studying Russian in the time left before your trip. Get yourself Lonely Planet phrase book with CD, sleep on the plane, and listen. You can do a lot in one week, 10-20 words and phrases a day. Most important phrases to you specifically for your activities. Learn to read, forget the grammar. Watch movies that you know real well (Forrest Gump, Godfather, and such) in Russian with Russian subtitles. Hollywood has good translators these days. Torrent rules.

In 3-5 years from today it'll be Ukrainian and widely spoken English.

Strictly English speaking girls AFAIK are either pros, including GIA, or some of the students. These categories overlap. About 50% of GIA girls are students. 12-24 hours rental from GIA has actually an attractive hourly rate, and if you have cash, IMHO GIA is better than Rio.

Rio girls do not speak English much, as they work 7:30 pm till 5 am or so every night, and they are not students. Some do, but not much.

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1.As you said, a big part of the money is going to the agencies.

2.It hurt me to think that my money is going to the agencies. They did little for the money they share

3. and sometime they may even treat the girls poorly.

4.If I repeat a girl, I can probably contact her directly so that I make sure that she gets all the money from the second date on.1. Students do not stay at the base overnight, they attend classes. Thus they don't need a separate bed, even if it's 3-5 girls per bedroom. Business overhead on them is lower. No mama-san. Dispatcher working remotely from her own residence. Those girls' cut / percentage is noticeably higher, hence they certainly appear happier. They usually have their own dorm room, or a shared apartment. If it's too far "in the woods", and you are nice, they may choose to stay overnight for free. I experienced this in Rio de Janeiro in Brasil. Apartment girls are on the clock, and there's a system of penalties for deviating from standard business processes. They will not stay overnight, and typically will not share a phone number, as it is being checked / searched through back at the base.

2. Wrong. Agency dispatchers found great girls for me, and provided income for freelancers and hourly employees. Market economy.

3. Sign up for Peace Corpse, dude! Or some charity organization, help those in misery.

4. Some will not. For safety concerns. Perhaps 30% will share the phone number. But you have to make her come at least once while in bed before asking for that. Make no mistake, Kiev ladies do enjoy sex. Young ones want it badly.

On one occasion I was speeding up, Sasha followed along already moaning rather loudly, but still a little behind, and I came sooner than needed. You should have seen a disappointed look when she turned her head still in doggie, and exclaimed:

- Darling! What's going on? Come on please, don't stop!

She was friendly, yet she wanted more. Can you imagine this reaction in countries where democracy is already well entrenched, and women are truly liberated?

I am exactly 35 years older than Sasha. Strictly theoretically speaking, back in the day, say in XIX century, she could have been my granddaughter, and yet there we were. Had her 3 times on different occasions.

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Young ones want it badly.Yeah, without a doubt. But you won't find them at Rio or Gia. That fun is had on the street or in clubs.

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Yeah, without a doubt. But you won't find them at Rio or Gia. That fun is had on the street or in clubs.My score is 3:0 from Rio, and 6:2 from GIA, with good girls being the former, and less than perfect ones- the latter- two from GIA.

I have to admit though, I tend to think of females as being intrinsically good, especially while making love to them.

It's a personal choice. Living in a Terrible World, or think of it as a great place, or at least staying optimistic in certain localities.

I would agree with you, Riina, clubs and streets are fun. There is also no substitute for a true GF, staying with you for a week. Two of those I found at GIA, and one at Rio. It is all make-believe, dream factory, Oscar level performances, I know. But Kiev girls are so good at pretending in convincing manner!

And when at 8 am she leaves you supposedly all alone for half a day during University finals, you watch her cab driving away, and 15 minutes later another one comes in, explaining she has only two and a half hours before her classes start, and how happy she is to see you again after almost a year apart. How romantic indeed!

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My last enjoyable adventure was in Kiev, where I tried erotic lady massage kiev (http://salondream.kiev.ua/). That pretty massage master met me in luxury underwear and introduced me to the new world of sensual pleasures. It was great experience for me, I think I'll never forget it.Assuming "Relax" is closed now, is this the establishment to compensate for the lack of joy and happiness in the absence? It is about the same distance from University. Hehehe.

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Yeah, without a doubt. But you won't find them at Rio or Gia. That fun is had on the street or in clubs.One beauty from Odessa, breathing heavily right after, said this verbatim:

- Why do you think I do this? Because I need more of it! I had a boyfriend, and he left, because he couldn't catch up with my requirements. I needed it 10 times a night, and then more in the morning before he went for work. He got scared.

Yes, she was special in that respect, still she wasn't boasting. I saw she told the truth. That's also Kiev for those who can handle it.

She came out of the shower room unlike any others, - without a towel wrapped around her gorgeous body. She did have some scars on her face, and to me she was beautiful! She gave me her phone number, we were going to go to a special rock concert in a few days, agreeing to confirm the day before, and then she canceled with sad faces and lots of kisses over Viber. Part of life. Either she had someone lined up with a longer / better paying gig, or employer strong-armed her into submission, who knows? I ended up going out on a true date with a nice lady from upscale haircut / manicure salon. She asked for all my credentials before promising anything, I reciprocated with touching her beautiful butt with gentle and persistent strokes while having dinner and kissing her hands, she never objected. Next day she sent a message that she's done at work, I was too busy meeting Dora from Ballet School, and then Marta the sports dancer. Bandwidth congestion challenges in Kiev, too many attractive representatives of the opposite gender.

[TheNameIsBond2]

Study Russian. Writing, pronunciation, simple phrases. Kiev is still mostly Russian speaking.

Use of English is increasing with every year, so does Ukrainian. However, do your best studying Russian in the time left before your trip. Get yourself Lonely Planet phrase book with CD, sleep on the plane, and listen. You can do a lot in one week, 10-20 words and phrases a day. Most important phrases to you specifically for your activities. Learn to read, forget the grammar. Watch movies that you know real well (Forrest Gump, Godfather, and such) in Russian with Russian subtitles. Hollywood has good translators these days. Torrent rules.

In 3-5 years from today it'll be Ukrainian and widely spoken English.

Strictly English speaking girls AFAIK are either pros, including GIA, or some of the students. These categories overlap. About 50% of GIA girls are students. 12-24 hours rental from GIA has actually an attractive hourly rate, and if you have cash, IMHO GIA is better than Rio.

Rio girls do not speak English much, as they work 7:30 pm till 5 am or so every night, and they are not students. Some do, but not much.Hey,

Thanks for all of the tips. I speak fluent Russian so I'm good there. My situation is that I have limited time there this time and my evenings are already planned so I only have daytime. Limited time + busy evenings make closing the deal on street action and clubs quite difficult. That said, I may arrange an apartment or hotel for a few days for daytime activities and with limited time I want to make the most of it. I think you gave great advice and I have some ideas now, thank you!

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Hey,

Thanks for all of the tips. I speak fluent Russian so I'm good there. My situation is that I have limited time there this time and my evenings are already planned so I only have daytime. Limited time + busy evenings make closing the deal on street action and clubs quite difficult. That said, I may arrange an apartment or hotel for a few days for daytime activities and with limited time I want to make the most of it. I think you gave great advice and I have some ideas now, thank you!I would do AirBnB apartment rather than hotel. Or try dobovo.com — that's daily apartment rental.

Miscalculated about you being multi-lingual. Oops!

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...with limited time I want to make the most of it...Some days I was too busy between the business meetings, and time was of essence. Agency delivering to your door is OK, if you have 3-4 hours, if they worked with you already, and consider you within their pipeline. Then they benefit from serving you reliably. Establishing proper communication takes 1-2-3 days, that you may not have. Then it becomes a gamble.

Then, as has been explained multiple times here, it is either Rio (which is a no-go for you, having evening reservations, unless you want to go real late, and then sleep-in next morning), or mamba (also a gamble / takes time), or GIA (expensive, unless you enjoy going 8+ hours long with one beauty, and look at resulting hourly rate, not the total amount paid). During prior visits, while in time crunch before departure, or even this November while being stood up, I used GIA. It helped. Renting multiple random girls in one day sometimes adds up to more than GIA.

Seems like time, price, and quality are parameters in optimization challenge. Back to Statistics 101 in the college!

3 or 4 of GIA girls pulled a trick on me. They "forget" a part of their beautiful lingerie outfit, certainly by pure accident, thus creating a reason for recurring business with that girl in particular, not another one among thousands, and perhaps tens of thousands. Like I need a reason, if I have the phone number!

[Tomek123]

Of course if you are a guest for a short time then Ukraine can disappoint. In that case you can choose Medellin in Colombia. But although experienced guys there write that the times of cheap sex in Colombia have already ended and sex with a real beauty in Colombia will cost you at least $ 200.

But if it's a guy like me who knows the language, jumlar, and ready for a street game, then Ukraine is a real klondike of hot pussies and hot sucking mouths and tongues.

Especially if you are ready to hunt not only in expensive pathos Kiev but also in much poorer cities on the periphery.

In Ukraine about the same principle of organization of the state as in Russia or Kazakhstan. That is, all the money is concentrated in the capital and never leave the capital. I read that 60% of all Ukrainian money is all time concentrated in Kiev. In Kiev, salary in 2 times higher than in the Charkow and 3 time than in Sumy.

In Russia, about 80% of the Russian finance never leaves of the city Moscow.

Respectively, if you offer a young student or a young saleswoman in a supermarket a date with you with a hint of,material interest, then you should understand that a girl from the city of Sumy or Cherkasy or even Kharkov can react differently than a girl in Kiev.

Why? Because sucking your penis in a condom (oh good city Sumy) and getting for 30 minutes 15-20 dollars is a good money for a girl from Poltava or Sumy and even Kharkov. But the girl in Kiev does not earn 3, 5-4- or 5 000 hryvnia and an average of 8000-9000 hryvnia per month.

But also one and the same girl can suck a dick for ridiculous money in her Sumy or Poltava, but when she sees a real foreigner and not a Ukrainian, her erroneous idea of life and comfort level in the West can play a negative role.

So you have to be a gentleman but have a firm position. Because this girl can call the most fantastic amount. It's not about anything. You need to explain to her the reality and show her the real western reality. She should understand that the streets London or Philadelphia are not covered with gold and diamonds, and $ 100, even in the US it's not a small money.

Darling, this is what I can offer you. I'm a funny simple guy from Miami and we will be happy and well together. I do not have a yacht and a palace for 3 million dollars. But I can help you in this difficult time for Ukraine. I'm not a sadist, not a pervert. I'm a good guy.

Ukrainian girls love money but they somehow remain realistic.

This girl on the video name Marina 22 why (this video I took from her VKontakte page, I'm very ashamed, two years ago fucked with local guys in a provincial town for 300 hryvnia. And even for 250 hryvnia. Together with sister and several other Sumy girls. They also liked to drink a little and have a little fun in nightclubs. Then the local guys began to take them to the sauna or on vacation.

Then the guys began to take them to the sauna or to rest outside the city. They raised prices a little and realized that there is a demand for their young pussies and mouths.

My old Ukrainian friend Vlad from Sumy somehow showed me their photo in his phone and told me how he fucked them.

These girls are 6 or 7 people and he said he fucked 4 of them. I asked for his contact.

I called this girl who is on video, but she had a rather strange position at first.

But then she became more relaxed and playful and in her voice there was interest. I told her that one of our mutual friends gave me her phone, and what is this mysterious friend of yours? Perhaps this is Sergej? -She began to laugh and joke, no. It's not Sergei. It's another person, I said. I said that I'm from Poland and soon I have to go home. But I'm a little fascinated by Ukrainian pesage and especially Ukrainian charming and feminine girls who also have such sexual deep voices.

You flatter me, she said to me with a laugh. So we talked a little cute but I could not agree on a meeting. She said that I called tomorrow.

The next day during the meeting we sat for a while in a cafe and then went to my apartment for 700 first time.

I made her suck my balls and lick the neighborhood around the dick. She realized that I'm pretty picky and she will not be able to have a quick easy fuck with me. She is very active in the muscles of the vagina. Besides her pussy did not yet have childbirth and a young one. So I understood her tactics. Such a small female Ukrainian cunning-to make you quickly finish. They are very cunning. These Ukrainian chickens.

After I finished the first time I made her caress my stomach with her tongue and then caress my balls with the tip of the tongue. Very good. Long time there was an erection but I made her suck well and qualitatively my cock. And lick head the dick. After which I tried to dress the condom and enter it. But unfortunately my dick fell a minute later. So I took off the condom and made her suck again. I liked it and my cock became firm. She sucked and sucked and I decided to just enjoy and not think about the trachea. My body began to tremble in anticipation of orgasm but I tried to hide it and she continued to suck. I told her that I want more so she sucked and sucked. I said that afterwards I want to fuck her after that. And she continued to suck. I realized that in a few minutes the maximum I'll finish is because it was already above my possibilities.

When the first powerful sperm stream hit her mouth she lifted her head but I grabbed her head. But she still tore her head and the sperm fountain fell on my stomach. Some amount of my sperm got into her mouth. But I told her that I just could not control my reaction. And she sucks. Well, the best in the world. She was a little flattered. At that time she took from local guys 400 hryvnia for a date. It was 2015 . I know that now she takes 800 hryvnia for a date of 2-3 hours. My friend Vlad fucked her and her sister after that several times and also her girlfriends. I also fucked her and her sister threesome. But her sister is worse in bed than marina.

I paid them for 1700-1800 hryvnia for a threesome. It's a few hours. 2-3 hours. Plus my fruit and sweets. They are gluttonous and can eat lots of fruits and sweet. Like piranhas.

When I bought a kilogram of expensive smoked sausage for 200 hryvnia and Dutch cheese. Also expensive. They ate all the grapes and bananas and all the sausage. I had to go to the supermarket at night to not be hungry after sex. After sex I always a terrible famine. They are female students but they are very vulgar and vulgar. But they have a good look and are beautiful when dressed well and have makeup. They then look very beautiful.

They do not know the basic things in geography or other sciences and marina told me frankly that she is fucking with the professor and this is very comfortable for her. She can practically not teach anything at the university. This professor is very influential. This detail allows to draw a conclusion how cunning and quirky these Ukrainian chickens. She said that this professor at the university himself offered her support and help in all situations and solving all her problems with studying. She said that this guy the professor has 56 years old but his penis is like a horse and can fuck almost a whole hour. And that he licks her pussy sometimes more than an hour. And that her boyfriend is studying at the same university and loves her. But he does not know about it. While she laughed at her boyfriend. An unhappy young boy haha ha.

She also told me a sad and stupid story about her girlfriend. They together study at this university. She had big problems in her studies and the marina told her that she could help her solve her problems.

She told her that she has an influential patron-professor in this university and if you want he can help you solve your problems. He really loves young girls. Girlfriend agreed. Marina introduced her to this old professor. But then the marina told me that two days later she saw this girl. She cried and was like after the funeral of the mother or father. She told the marina that it had already happened and the professor had solved all her problems. But she was very ugly and hard. She was shocked and could not recover from having sex with this old man. She feels like a piece of meat and bla-bla-bla. Marina told her that she was stupid and she could not do it if it was so hard for her. She had a choice. And that she did not force her to fuck. After that they are no longer close friends. , imagine what a stupid idiot this Tanya, Marina told me. Tomek, she could be expelled from the university for bad grades. I helped her staying university! And this fool wants to accuse me of the fact that I hurt her. She's just a stupid villain!

This little detail will help you understand the power and ability to survive in any extreme conditions of these charming predators. Our Ukrainian chickens. These are true iron ladies.

Once during a threesome I ended her sister in the eye and they called me, sniper.

After that I sometimes joked during a phone conversation that,your apt sniper wants to fight again,.

They feed on male power and male sperm and sex for them is just life. They do not have that feminism like Western women. Our hearts and thoughts and our sperm for these Ukrainian chickens is just food. Like popcorn or bread. They feed on men.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pLSMMgel30

This marina in video.

[Riina]

They feed on male power and male sperm and sex for them is just life. They do not have that feminism like Western women. Our hearts and thoughts and our sperm for these Ukrainian chickens is just food. Like popcorn or bread. They feed on men.

Great post Tomek. Many guys come to Ukraine and think the girls are cold. What they don't understand is that if a girl really likes you, she'll be so emotionally connected that she's actually feeding off of you as a man. Their is a reason why Ukrainians don't like too much expression of emotion. You can suck everything out of them. I've had girls so angry at me because they felt I hurt them just by sharing my feelings. Be very careful not to tell a Ukrainian repeatedly how beautiful she is. Most girls in Ukraine don't have the opportunity to focus their energy towards a career. Life revolves around their man. Absolutely true our sperm is their food.

[PhotoSlider]

1.if a girl really likes you, she'll be so emotionally connected that she's actually feeding off of you as a man.

2. Be very careful not to tell a Ukrainian repeatedly how beautiful she is.

3. Most girls in Ukraine don't have the opportunity to focus their energy towards a career. Life revolves around their man.Riina,

What a classy way to provide feedback!

1. That is precisely why some of them stay longer than I would ever imagined. And they expect to be entertained, and loved, and surprised, and compensated one way or the other. Classy Kiev ladies are excellent accountants, and they know how to place a price tag on their emotional health. Make-believe is what GIA girls exchange for our means, allowing them to maintain self-confidence and friendly attitude. Same goes for others.

Bad ones suck it out of you, like vacuum cleaners. They work like juice makers, throwing men out, spent and dry.

Best ones exchange energy, and I met more than enough of the latter.

2. Why not? Elaborate please if you could..

3. So precise about their careers! And how they are constantly scanning the environment for reliable sponsor, boyfriend or two, provider for few hours. Asked one of them:

- OK. So we stay together for a year. And what are you going to do?

- See you going to work, and meeting you at the end of the day, and taking care of you.

And she is sincere about it. Just like back in the Stone Age, she'll meet her Hunter returning into the Cave after a long day, and check what he brings, and then make love to him, and so on.

[AntonySun1996]

Glad to see so many new reports here. I plan to go back to Ukraine again around Jan 5, which is around the new year and orthodox Christmas. Does anyone know if there would be any inconvenience related to this? Because I heard that in Moscow many girls go back to their hometowns during this time and the city is left half empty in terms of girls. I'm wondering if there would be a huge decrease of girls in Kiev and other Ukrainian major cities.

Cheers.

[TeFab456]

Glad to see so many new reports here. I plan to go back to Ukraine again around Jan 5, which is around the new year and orthodox Christmas. Does anyone know if there would be any inconvenience related to this? Because I heard that in Moscow many girls go back to their hometowns during this time and the city is left half empty in terms of girls. I'm wondering if there would be a huge decrease of girls in Kiev and other Ukrainian major cities.

Cheers.Christmas will be Sunday January 7. So a lot of people (also ladies) will see the weekend of January 6-7 as a family affair. Kyev will not be dead but it will take a lot more effort to find somebody willing to spend those days in a nonconformist way. But it being a secular and materialistic city there will be possibilities. Still, personally I would not pick that, of all, weekends.

[Jojosun]

PhotoSlider,

LOL It sounds a bit like the olden days in Kiev with my Friends Inna and Hunter Dave.

[PhotoSlider]

I plan to go back to Ukraine again around Jan 5, which is around the new year and orthodox Christmas. Does anyone know if there would be any inconvenience related to this? Because I heard that in Moscow many girls go back to their hometowns during this time and the city is left half empty in terms of girls. I'm wondering if there would be a huge decrease of girls in Kiev and other Ukrainian major cities.Some students will leave to their smaller towns and villages for winter break. Some will use it for extensive travel, making money. Not sure about the actual percentage. Last year I left Kiev in the morning of December 31st, didn't feel deprived of female attention. My GF left few days before that, which helped me to score a few.

[Philosophus]

I made her suck my balls and lick the neighborhood around the dick. She realized that I'm pretty picky and she will not be able to have a quick easy fuck with me. She is very active in the muscles of the vagina. Besides her pussy did not yet have childbirth and a young one. So I understood her tactics. Such a small female Ukrainian cunning-to make you quickly finish. They are very cunning. These Ukrainian chickens.

After I finished the first time I made her caress my stomach with her tongue and then caress my balls with the tip of the tongue. Very good. Long time there was an erection but I made her suck well and qualitatively my cock. And lick head the dick. After which I tried to dress the condom and enter it. But unfortunately my dick fell a minute later. So I took off the condom and made her suck again. I liked it and my cock became firm. She sucked and sucked and I decided to just enjoy and not think about the trachea. My body began to tremble in anticipation of orgasm but I tried to hide it and she continued to suck. I told her that I want more so she sucked and sucked. I said that afterwards I want to fuck her after that. And she continued to suck. I realized that in a few minutes the maximum I'll finish is because it was already above my possibilities.A great report should always mention where the sperm landed and how the young girl made it see the light of the earth. Thanks.

[Coyle]

Well, stayed for 4 nights and scored 6 girls.

Tried nuru (personally I like this very much), Rio, GIA, Relax-Kiev and picked up a girl from coffee shop.

I would say. It is completely not predictable nor can't rely on money either.

This time, nuru massage girl was amazingly hot, polite, long legs and genuine blonde hair. She was on top of me while giving me HJ and I grabbed her firm ass and did dry hump. She moaned like a real sex and it was, wow. I couldn't believe this HJ by nuru massage can get me such a wonderful pop.

GIA. Was successful. I went quite wild and rough from the beginning. Started sucking her pussy right after kissing, and she was so good at sucking my cock, endless sucking and we did 69, fucked in balcony (quite cold but exciting), and she even put the pillow in front of mirrors and made me look at her while she was giving me head. Wow. Fucked and fucked. (it was her last visit of the day and she seems to really be into me).

RIO. Read a few tips from this forum. Went there around 2:30 am Too late. Got deceived by stage height (girls look taller and thinner). I picked her too early and paid too early. She was having pre-woman's day (I hate this smell) Man. Wait. Wait until you see the girls you truly like. You can ask her come to you and talk to her about what she can do for you. If you don't like, choose next!

Relax-Kiev. Actually, it was standard 1600 hyvna + 200 for taxi deal but this was my best deal. It was a few hours before I went to Boryspil airport so I didn't expect much. But the woman showed up. Couldn't believe my eyes! Such a nice manner, smile, caressing, attentive BJ, great sex. Tight vagina. She stayed even.

Listen up!

Whatever you do, pressed for time, with lots of money or not enough cash, whoever you meet.

When girls show up, be attentive to how they act. Nice, warming, smile. Usually lead to better sex or cold / blunt / not friendly. Mechanical sex and they usually go away after your first cum. You got to be able to improvise.

[AntonySun1996]

Some students will leave to their smaller towns and villages for winter break. Some will use it for extensive travel, making money. Not sure about the actual percentage. Last year I left Kiev in the morning of December 31st, didn't feel deprived of female attention. My GF left few days before that, which helped me to score a few.Well I'd better change my schedule a little bit hahaha.

[PhotoSlider]

Listen up!

Whatever you do, pressed for time, with lots of money or not enough cash, whoever you meet.

When girls show up, be attentive to how they act. Nice, warming, smile. Usually lead to better sex or cold / blunt / not friendly. Mechanical sex and they usually go away after your first cum. You got to be able to improvise.And If that was agency delivery, assess the assets while they are still in the cab. Maximize positive impact during your interaction.

Glad I am not the only one who enjoyed.

For a moment I thought I've been daydreaming.

[AntonySun1996]

Got deceived by stage height (girls look taller and thinner). I picked her too early and paid too early. She was having pre-woman's day (I hate this smell) Man. Wait. Wait until you see the girls you truly like. You can ask her come to you and talk to her about what she can do for you. If you don't like, choose next!They look way hotter on the stage than in bed. I myself once got deceived this way in Rio. Picked a 'hottie' there and when we were in hotel, it turned out to me she was not attractive at all. After a few minutes I asked her to go.

[PhotoSlider]

PhotoSlider,

LOL It sounds a bit like the olden days in Kiev with my Friends Inna and Hunter Dave."Create your own Paradise!" should be the motto.

[Frankfurt]

Hi Coyle,

Your post instills some confidence in me regarding relax-Kiev. Do you mind sharing a link or name of the girl you saw mentioned in your report? Thanks.


Relax-Kiev. Actually, it was standard 1600 hyvna + 200 for taxi deal but this was my best deal. It was a few hours before I went to Boryspil airport so I didn't expect much. But the woman showed up. Couldn't believe my eyes! Such a nice manner, smile, caressing, attentive BJ, great sex. Tight vagina. She stayed even..

[Coyle]

Including GIA, all escort sites. No. Basically all encouter in Kiev. Is based on your luck.

Unfortunately, I lost my contact with this beauty. Dang. I can't contact her again either. Sorry.

It's not easy. Blonde girls are hard to earn actually.

Backpage girls are the worst per my experience. They even send you the fake photos via whatsapp. No shame, no sense of honest.

My earlier mistake was. Tried to get GFE out of 1600 hryvna +200 taxi deal.

No. Don't put your emotion first because these girls are not ready to follow your escalated emotional state out of your fantasy yet.

When you meet, check, see if she is good material or not. Greet and welcome lady and get her satisfied with your dick first.

Once your cock is exciting her in her pussy, it is easier to go to next step.

While you are fucking, if she likes you, then you can get kiss, massage, caress, GFE. Not the other way.

Some is easy to bribe with 200 hryvna more for BBBJ. Some never accepts for more service even for 300 USD.

Some just fell for me, don't care about time and money, got me the best service. Every.

Some just sucks. Hard to predict. That's Kiev. Get used to it.


Hi Coyle,

Your post instills some confidence in me regarding relax-Kiev. Do you mind sharing a link or name of the girl you saw mentioned in your report? Thanks.

[Coyle]

Do you think you have to get a nice apartment or hotel.

To impress girls for better fuck and get into potential relationship so that you get free sex?

Nope. Rich girls already live in nice apartment. Having rich Ukrainian speaking cocks to suck. No business with you.

Nope. Poor girls with big tits, nice body and blonde. Have you ever seen their housing? Any housing in central Kiev is impressive to them.

They don't care how you live since you are a tourist.

My answer is. No hotel.

AirBnB near Kreschatyk street is enough.

I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.

Local website. I really can't trust.

AirBnB. Maintenance fee. Is a bit pricey for their price. Well, nothing perfect tho. Personally this is my favorite option.

Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.

All Ukrainian people know you are in Kiev for sex. Don't worry.

They think we live a poor life since we do nothing but work, no fun or no BJ from Western feminists, surrounded by all fat bitches.

Just check how they check you in. It is your sex trip, so you want to avoid meeting entire apartment owner's family to greet you as a member of family. LOL.

There is an apartment in AirBnB. Having a key box with numeric lock so that you don't even get to see the apartment owner. I liked it.

[PhotoSlider]

...It is your sex trip, so you want to avoid meeting entire apartment owner's family to greet you as a member of family. LOL.

There is an apartment in AirBnB. Having a key box with numeric lock so that you don't even get to see the apartment owner. I liked it.As long as you can contact the landlord easily with questions about hot water, more towels, lost key. God forbid! Etc.

Had a girl, that I have never met before, waiting in the street, while I've been exiting with my taxi driver and landlord's spouse right after check-in. The girl was nice, nobody even blinked.

Had a girl arriving with me from the airport, and checking in with her own suitcase. Asked beforehand if she'd agree to be introduced as our corporate employee. She smiled, and said: "Don't you worry. When we kiss, - she'll understand who we are."

Have returned to the same landlady from theater a week later, all dressed up and a little drunk, with another beauty on my hand. Introduced ladies to each other, and first reaction of landlady (looking at me) was: "You are so great with the bow tie and everything! (She is in mid 30's, and attractive herself).

Had my apartment's cleaning woman, drinking champagne with me, and 2 of my female visitors, before we left for theatre. She actually left first, and we had another hour before leaving.

Had landlady interacting with my girlfriends after my departure on a material basis for many reasons: for instance forgotten high heel stilettos, so called FMS - "fuck me shoes".

Feedback on AirBnB: "Great guest! Never ever any problems. You would enjoy hosting him". I am sure they enjoyed hosting me.

All the above ladies were classy though. It is simply part of Kiev life style. I do not do anything sleezy. Friendly respectful mutually beneficial meetings.

That is why emancipated feminists hate free-spirited Ukrainian ladies with all the power they have left. They see it as impossible to compete with. Ultimate Freedom.

[AlexGray]

Hi,

I can see there is a huge selection of girls at UkrGo.com, much more than KievLady. (It's like an Ukrainian version of Craigslist).

What are your experiences with them? The pictures look very real to me.

[PhotoSlider]

Hi,

I can see there is a huge selection of girls at UkrGo.com, much more than KievLady. (It's like an Ukrainian version of Craigslist).

What are your experiences with them? The pictures look very real to me.What is the criteria for pictures to look real? Google reverse Image search? Tineye? Them looking fuzzy selfies?

AFAI could tell quite a few phone numbers are agencies. That's how I found the best working one so far.

Writing a script, that would sift through all the phone numbers for a day, or a week, identifying repeats, then automatically checking corresponding accounts in Viber, WhatsApp and Telegram, would have been ideal.

Ukrgo advantage is in allowing a keyword search. My attempts to find affordable independents resulted in very polite response from older fat ladies, expecting $100+/ HR. I lost the interest, as the Agency fed me well enough.

IMHO good agency organizes a pipeline. And students already have a dorm paid for, regardless of working or not, more or less. Sure they want extra income, and that's the common ground for encounters.

Older independents pay rent, make incalls, and often are their own directors of marketing. Hence ukrgo. Hence fewer customers. Hence higher rates. Some independents are good, but if there's no exposure to wider sphere of interests, then within a year or so they get bored and mechanical.

YMMV. Certainly worth researching.

[Coyle]

You guys are just horny and fantasize your dick with condomless juicy sucking. GIA. Yeah.

One tip, this agency closes at 11 pm After that, you go out on the street and test your luck or other slizzy escort site hoping that you will get amazing blonde with a golden heart.

Hahaha. Don't worry. You are completely normal.

One tip for GIA. Since it closes at 11 pm.

I would like to call GIA around 7 pm Or 8 pm To book a girl around 10:45 pm Or 11:15 pm.

I will be the last man! She might be staying and cuddling my cock over night!

[GDreams]

Do you think you have to get a nice apartment or hotel.

My answer is. No hotel.

AirBnB near Kreschatyk street is enough.

I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.

Local website. I really can't trust.

AirBnB. Maintenance fee. Is a bit pricey for their price. Well, nothing perfect tho. Personally this is my favorite option.

Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.I agree, central apartment around Kreshatik is best, no more than 2 streets away and close to either the Independence square end or the Bessarabska Rinok end. I must admit it been a few years since renting apartment but I always received good service from the local agents I used. I was working in Africa and once I came down with malaria while there. The apartment manager organised a doctor to come and see me early in the morning (I rang him at 7 am) and also sent one of their translators to help. That's the sort of service I appreciate.

[AgentMonger]

Spent some time In Kiev recently, a few months ago. Went for a massage at Dolly's. Location was easy to find. The apartment was OK. But the hot water in the shower didn't really work, it was either cold as ice or 3rd degree burn HOT. You had to dance in the show between "jesus that's cold" and "holy shit that's hot as F". Anyway, before that miserable shower experience I was offered a terrible lineup of 4 girls. Wow, bad, really bad. All 4 were short, fat, and not very attractive. It wasn't exactly prime time I admit, but 4 pm on a Monday, but still. Anyway, being there for not much more than a massage and a happy ending, picked the best of the group and went in for an hour. Terrible massage. Terrible happy ending effort, no additional touching, anywhere, total crap. With the 20 plus options out there in Kiev, I'd pick something other than Dolly.

One redeeming factor. As I was leaving, one girl was finishing up with another massage. And was a stunner! Exactly what I was hoping to find, tall, skinny, blonde. The type of dream we all have when coming to Kiev. Alas. Maybe next time.

Stay safe out there.

[PhotoSlider]

...I would like to call GIA around 7 pm Or 8 pm To book a girl around 10:45 pm Or 11:15 pm.

I will be the last man! She might be staying and cuddling my cock over night!She might be. If she falls in love with your masculinity. Or if you arrange a collusion with sufficient payment, and she doesn't have to study or work in the morning.

I prefer renting a 2 bedroom. One for me, one for her, or a solid sofa in the living room, so that my visitors are tempted to stay instead of taking a cab to the dorm or an apartment, shared with a roommate, that they not always like.

FYI: GIA uses very smart billing / accounting, unlike any other agency:

First hour for most affordable GIA ladies rated at 3,500 UAH / HR, at the dinner, performing oral on you in the last row of movie theater, or anywhere else, is $130 (maybe extra for movie tickets, popcorn and $200 surcharge).

First 4 hours recalculate to a substantially lower rate - 7,500 UAH /$276 = $69 - What a number!

The whole 24 hours is 14,500 UAH = $534 or $22/ HR.

If you negotiate upfront, and pay, she might be staying overnight.

If you decide to pay the remaining balance later, she may not.

For example: First 10 hours is 11,500 = $424.14 hours more to complete 24 hours is only $110 more for her. And the idea of being awaken at random hours through the night, and then asked to comply with your morning wood desires, may not be so appealing at less than $8/ HR. I had them saying: "Sorry, I have to work in the morning".

Arranging multiple days is another story, just make sure she's entertained besides making love, and treated as a human being. In my experience firmly assured anticipation of fun, that she sincerely believes in, is somewhat directly proportional to provided quality of services. Sorry, I meant to say "how much she'll fall in love with your personality" (tongue in cheek).

Some fresh newbie from GIA / Rio may simply have few day off and even stay for free with a person she likes (who established himself as a reliable / paying REAL man). Typically they have expenses to cover, you are a provider, even if there's a romantic aura present.

As explained for many years already, transforming interaction from transactional / hourly into a friendly relationship with underlying implicit charity cash flow is the best, as long as you are competitive on the current market. The delta difference dictates what you'll be allowed: an innocent kiss on her cheek, or much much more while departing and upon your next inevitable return.

I wonder if we can create a formula here - $$ + restaurants of certain star rating + iPhone model she would definitely expect from you if it's 2-3 days, and so on and so forth. And how it translates into her being 9-10 in the bed and outside for you.

Forgive my candor please.

[AntonySun1996]

Hi gents,

I'm wondering if anyone has ideas about how to marry a Ukrainian girl for immigration purpose. Do you know if there are such agencies that would help? I found one called Kirda Partners based in Lviv on the internet and the manager claimed they could help. But I am not sure if I should trust them. Should I turn to the agency or just talk to random girls to negotiate the deal? And also would the marriage process be complicated?

I want to migrate to Ukraine not only for ua pussies, but also for security of my property. In my home country the environment for business is terrible and private property is not well protected.

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Anthony.

[Mmusic]

... I usually fuck 2 or 3 girls a day so, unless you plan to get laid hot hotel front desk girls, avoid hotel.
... Around 50 USD per day. Is threshold. Expensive when it is above, below. Still good.Coyle,

Do you know if indeed in hotels (top ones, like 5* or 4*) are hanging around in lobby / lobby bar hot WG's, and in which hotels?

Or if any of other members with experience in Kiev can give this info?!

Some 6-7 years ago one of best experience I had in Marriott Bucharest. In bar while having glass. Two of wine around 9 - 9. 30 pm noted that there was several girls (as I was told later, even the hotel arrange & agree with selected ladies to be there! Bla bla bla, 1-2 drinks I offered to those two friends after the eye-contact (they made it as I was on my damn laptop and mails!) and black hair one at one point was straight: I'd like very much to be your company in your room for 2-3 hrs instead of going home!

Logical reasoning she had was "at 11 or 12 I can go only to home, with nothing, less couple of drinks" ! She stayed all night (on her initiative, and we killed during the night also whole bottle of red wine + eating) for what we agreed in lobby bar, if remember right was $300. Next day in afternoon her blond friend was so clear that on purpose she waited in lobby bar (during our drink together of course I said few things about me, why I'm there etc etc etc so she knew what and how to make her plan, but she was there also for chance to catch any other guest), for 1 hour session (but was near 2 hrs, not clock-watcher. Later that evening took them both to concert and we ended evening till 4-5 am in very long 3 some. And on 3rd night they instructed one their another friend to be in lobby bar. Stunning face, tall 180+ , but guess she left boobs at home or what?

[GDreams]

Hi gents,

I'm wondering if anyone has ideas about how to marry a Ukrainian girl for immigration purpose. Do you know if there are such agencies that would help? I found one called Kirda Partners based in Lviv on the internet and the manager claimed they could help. But I am not sure if I should trust them. Should I turn to the agency or just talk to random girls to negotiate the deal? And also would the marriage process be complicated?

I want to migrate to Ukraine not only for ua pussies, but also for security of my property. In my home country the environment for business is terrible and private property is not well protected.

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Anthony.I married an Ukrainian, applied for permanent residency through my home Embassy. They pocketed the application fee, lost all the paperwork which cost several hundred dollars to get and finally ignored all communication when trying to chase it up. I eventually gave up.

[Riina]

I married an Ukrainian, applied for permanent residency through my home Embassy. They pocketed the application fee, lost all the paperwork which cost several hundred dollars to get and finally ignored all communication when trying to chase it up. I eventually gave up.I've heard that happens when they sense your marriage is a fraud.

[PhotoSlider]

I've heard that happens when they sense your marriage is a fraud.How many wives are allowed by Ukrainian Law?

[Riina]

I just wanted to share my pathetic story of living in an American city where no fresh pussies are to be had for grown up guys. Even though I'm older, I still like to go out and very much enjoy dancing amongst hotties, especially young Ukrainians. I frequent a Euro club where almost half the club is Uki. I don't approach the girls anymore, my game is nonexistent. What's unique about the Ukrainians, is the visual excitement you can briefly see in their eyes towards me. As if we were in Ukraine, maybe we could meet behind closed doors. I'm an average looking dude, but I like to play the sugar daddy part with the nice clothes and suggestive presence. So over the last couple years, when a Uki girl gives me the "look", I track her down on VK or FB and simply send the "you are a beautiful girl" message. That makes me known to them the next time they see me in the club. The effect is these girls never miss the right opportunity to walk by me and rub themselves against me. This past weekend a group of three girls that all knew me from sight, basically pummeled me passing to the dance floor. The first one firmly rubbed her body and tits against me and the other two friends followed with elbows. Never had three at once like that. I know this sounds like really stupid stuff, but I get discreetly rubbed all the time by the Ukrainians in the club. Their's clearly a cheap feeling of connection with girls I don't even know. This doesn't happen with the other EE's like the Polish.

The point is imagine what can happen In Ukraine. Instead of cheap feels, we would be talking about real pussies to be had.

[Jonathan Pine]

I just wanted to share my pathetic story of living in an American city where no fresh pussies are to be had for grown up guys. Even though I'm older, I still like to go out and very much enjoy dancing amongst hotties, especially young Ukrainians. I frequent a Euro club where almost half the club is Uki. I don't approach the girls anymore, my game is nonexistent. What's unique about the Ukrainians, is the visual excitement you can briefly see in their eyes towards me. As if we were in Ukraine, maybe we could meet behind closed doors. I'm an average looking dude, but I like to play the sugar daddy part with the nice clothes and suggestive presence. So over the last couple years, when a Uki girl gives me the "look", I track her down on VK or FB and simply send the " you are a beautiful girl" message. That makes me known to them the next time they see me in the club. The effect is these girls never miss the right opportunity to walk by me and rub themselves against me. This past weekend a group of three girls that all knew me, basically pummeled me passing to the dance floor. The first one rubbed her body and tits against me and the other two followed with elbows. Never had a three at once like that. I know this sounds like really stupid stuff, but I get rubbed all the time whenever I'm in the club. Their's clearly a feeling of connection with Ukrainians I don't even know. This doesn't happen with the other EE's like the Polish or Maldovians.

The point is imagine what can happen In Ukraine. Instead of cheap feels, we would be talking about real pussies to be had.I think Ukrainian and Russian girls are attracted to different kind of men than American girls. Uki / Russians like men that are more mature, successful (your taste, style, class). You are probably their type so they notice you in clubs. They see you differently than American girls. I have the same experience as you.

American girls tend to be more attracted to football player type of men (jocks). But EE girls aren't attracted to this type.

[Jonathan Pine]

Hi gents,

I'm wondering if anyone has ideas about how to marry a Ukrainian girl for immigration purpose. Do you know if there are such agencies that would help? I found one called Kirda Partners based in Lviv on the internet and the manager claimed they could help. But I am not sure if I should trust them. Should I turn to the agency or just talk to random girls to negotiate the deal? And also would the marriage process be complicated?

I want to migrate to Ukraine not only for ua pussies, but also for security of my property. In my home country the environment for business is terrible and private property is not well protected.

Any advice would be appreciated. Many thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Anthony.Brides are the number one export of Ukraine, the only thing worth something from Ukraine. Residency info shouldn't be too hard to find. Heck, I'll bet lot of guys on this board have married Ukrainian women.

[PhotoSlider]

I just wanted to share my pathetic story of living in an American city...Uki Female Power in your face!

Reminds me some of the movies with Latina. Ukrainian women behave very much like Blacks or Mexican / Latinas / Brazilian.

They must feel safe with you, Riina still. Girls got to have fun. Imagine them discussing what they want to do next with you, I'm sure they spoke about who'the be the most daring!

[GDreams]

I've heard that happens when they sense your marriage is a fraud.Don't know, I was not living near the Embassy to hassle them in person and my wife moved to Australia so it did not really have as much importance to me as when I was spending 4 months of the year in Kiev. I just wanted the convenience of going their without needing to apply for a visa all the time.

[Travv]

Was in Hotel Rus for most of the last two weeks in Kiev. Hotel promoted a strip club on the 2 d floor with 1/2 off discount coupons handed out starting at 10 pm for 100 UAH or $5. Went once to this club and then another time to the club at Presidential Hotel next door. Little pressure to buy drinks or tip and good looking girls, but after buying several drinks and tipping 100 UAH for a number of girls, asked a girl about going to a hotel room. She said that that was not permitted but she would take me to the VIP room for 200 UAH. Declined and left. Another member of my tour did the 200 UAH VIP room thing, but he only received a lap dance. He claimed that girls for going to a hotel room were available in the smoking lounge but I did not check this out. If you are going to the clubs, advise wearing a coat and tie, as you will be treated better.

Contacted some girls from an online website but the first did not look anything like the photo so I offered to pay afterwards and put the money where she could see it, as I did not trust her to just grab the money and walk out. I told her I did not trust Ukrainians to not cheat me so pay afterwards, then she walked out (without the money since I blocked her from just grabbing it from the top of the TV) saying I was crazy in a loud voice. Tried again later, hotel security got involved but when I told them I paid for a double room, they stopped hassling me in the lobby. You might want to get a local cell phone with a Ukrainian sim card for $30 (around 900 UAH) for easy calling local girls.

Overall, I'd suggest getting a double room for a few bucks more or an Airbnb room as the hotel security watch the lobby and if you haven't paid for a double room, they will be hassling you for "tips" or whatever. Saw one working girl sitting around on the 2 d floor but did not try to contact her as the online girls website looked like a better quality of girls, but the photos do not show what will be arriving in your cab. If you do not like the surprise (landwhale or? Arriving by taxi, send the girl back and try again and ask for the girl (model) shown in the photos. Good luck getting that.


Coyle,

Do you know if indeed in hotels (top ones, like 5* or 4*) are hanging around in lobby / lobby bar hot WG's, and in which hotels?

Or if any of other members with experience in Kiev can give this info?!

Some 6-7 years ago one of best experience I had in Marriott Bucharest. In bar while having glass. Two of wine around 9 - 9. 30 pm noted that there was several girls (as I was told later, even the hotel arrange & agree with selected ladies to be there! Bla bla bla, 1-2 drinks I offered to those two friends after the eye-contact (they made it as I was on my damn laptop and mails!) and black hair one at one point was straight: I'd like very much to be your company in your room for 2-3 hrs instead of going home!

[Zidane10]

Good day gents,

I have been to Kiev and Lviv last year and I would like to share my general impressions about these cities from mongering perspective. I've been there for about 8 days and spent roughly equal time in both of these towns. From my point of view, Kv is worth to explore if one has at least average Russian skills, but it requires more time in order to get to know a girl and then to get laid. Paid services are a bit overpriced, even though I negotiated everything in fluent Russian. The topic of spoiled glamorous girls and ordinary girls getting greedy for money once they are in Kiev has been discussed here thousand of times, so I won't start it again as I am familiar with every point of view in this regard. Wish I had known more back then before I traveled there. Whatever.

As to Lviv it was a total waste of time since most of the people there do not speak any English or Russian. So, never again.

Thanks.

[Zidane10]

Good day,

I am aware of the fact that this section is intended for Kiev reports, but considering more audience I decided to ask some advice here as well. Taking into consideration my previous unsuccessful trip to Ukraine, I did my homework this time and figured out that Kharkov would be optimum choice for the trip. The main factor to choose Kharkov was that it is predominantly Russian speaking city full of students. I want to visit Kharkov in the second part of April when it is getting a bit warmer and some girls would need temporary sponsorship in exchange for carnal passion. Besides, as far as I know for Ukrainian standards Kharkov is not as wealthy as Kiev, therefore price tag should be less or at least I'll get more quality for less money. Given its lower standards than Kiev I assume that girls there are more down to earth and less cynical. I might also consider Poltava and somewhat smaller towns, however I have a feeling that Kharkov will work this time. Please tell me your experience and give me some advice in order to avoid unnecessary costs or surprises. Or tell me whether my assumptions are true or false.

Many thanks in advance.

[DramaFree11]

Good idea, the only issue is there is even more Turk. Guys, then in Kiev, so be prepared. They are every where because it is cheaper. Go to Russia it is amazing, girls are way more beautiful, honest, and some even have jobs. With the crisis there it is not that expensive anymore.


Good day,

I am aware of the fact that this section is intended for Kiev reports, but considering more audience I decided to ask some advice here as well. Taking into consideration my previous unsuccessful trip to Ukraine, I did my homework this time and figured out that Kharkov would be optimum choice for the trip. The main factor to choose Kharkov was that it is predominantly Russian speaking city full of young students. I want to visit Kharkov in the second part of April when it is getting a bit warmer and some girls would need temporary sponsorship in exchange for carnal passion. Besides, as far as I know for Ukrainian standards Kharkov is not as wealthy as Kiev, therefore price tag should be less or at least I'll get more quality for less money. Given its lower standards than Kiev I assume that girls there are more down to earth and less cynical. I might also consider Poltava and somewhat smaller towns, however I have a feeling that Kharkov will work this time. Please tell me your experience and give me some advice in order to avoid unnecessary costs or surprises. Or tell me whether my assumptions are true or false.

Many thanks in advance.

[AntonySun1996]

I married an Ukrainian, applied for permanent residency through my home Embassy. They pocketed the application fee, lost all the paperwork which cost several hundred dollars to get and finally ignored all communication when trying to chase it up. I eventually gave up.Thanks for your reply. Is it necessary to bribe the officials to speed the process up? Officially as far as I know it would take two years or so, but I'm wondering if there's something could be done to make it quicker.

And how do you know about the migration agencies? Are they reliable?

Cheers.

[AntonySun1996]

Brides are the number one export of Ukraine, the only thing worth something from Ukraine. Residency info shouldn't be too hard to find. Heck, I'll bet lot of guys on this board have married Ukrainian women.Yeah I did find some info about this on the internet. Just feel it would be difficult to DIY, but I'm not sure if the migration agencies are reliable or just fraud like the dating agencies.

[Stevie69]

The bit about getting an apartment as opposed to a hotel is definitely true, and it has been mentioned here many times before.

I also like to protect myself against girls not providing the agreed-upon services once they have money in hand. I am certainly not going to wrestle the money out of their purses. Paying afterwards is the only insurance. I also put the money somewhere visible. However, I have also had girls walk out.

Are you sure the sim card was 900 UAH? I remember getting one at the airport, as soon as I arrived, for about 100 UAH. It lasted for my entire 2 week trip.


Was in Hotel Rus for most of the last two weeks in Kiev. Hotel promoted a strip club on the 2 d floor with 1/2 off discount coupons handed out starting at 10 pm for 100 UAH or $5. Went once to this club and then another time to the club at Presidential Hotel next door. Little pressure to buy drinks or tip and good looking girls, but after buying several drinks and tipping 100 UAH for a number of girls, asked a girl about going to a hotel room. She said that that was not permitted but she would take me to the VIP room for 200 UAH. Declined and left. Another member of my tour did the 200 UAH VIP room thing, but he only received a lap dance. He claimed that girls for going to a hotel room were available in the smoking lounge but I did not check this out. If you are going to the clubs, advise wearing a coat and tie, as you will be treated better.

Contacted some girls from an online website but the first did not look anything like the photo so I offered to pay afterwards and put the money where she could see it, as I did not trust her to just grab the money and walk out. I told her I did not trust Ukrainians to not cheat me so pay afterwards, then she walked out (without the money since I blocked her from just grabbing it from the top of the TV) saying I was crazy in a loud voice. Tried again later, hotel security got involved but when I told them I paid for a double room, they stopped hassling me in the lobby. You might want to get a local cell phone with a Ukrainian sim card for $30 (around 900 UAH) for easy calling local girls.

Overall, I'd suggest getting a double room for a few bucks more or an Airbnb room as the hotel security watch the lobby and if you haven't paid for a double room, they will be hassling you for "tips" or whatever. Saw one working girl sitting around on the 2 d floor but did not try to contact her as the online girls website looked like a better quality of girls, but the photos do not show what will be arriving in your cab. If you do not like the surprise (landwhale or? Arriving by taxi, send the girl back and try again and ask for the girl (model) shown in the photos. Good luck getting that.

[Coyle]

Hahaha. Your experience was just like my first time.

Hotel and strip club are bad idea in my opinion. Ukrainians have some level of self-esteem which is nothing but sheer piece of paper in the beginning. But when you find a way to dodge this, you will find a way to get as much as you want.

The principle I follow. When girl / escort is not nice to you in the beginning (when first met without exchange of money or any), I go into next level. Bribe - money, perfume. Even after this 2nd trial, still not friendly or willing to give it to me what I want, I quit and give up and go. Bitches go away and I don't waste my time. Good for both parties. Most girls, when I offer the "bribe", they come in my way, suck my cock without condom or fuck me as if they haven't had sex for ages. Don't be a winy wimp.

I think my first trip was not successful because I put my emotions in front of me. Also this Western culture's pressure. Do not fucking think about talking to a beautiful girl on the street thing. Forget about this, relax and when your dick says she is hot, aim and go fucking talk to her. She will never come back and you will never see her again. Go talk to her! How many times you look back, "I should have talked to her" while slapping your poor peppie at night alone?

They are not standardized in all aspect of life. This sex industry is not organized. I think, Kiev became sexually famous not because of standardized process nor well organized system.

If you prefer that sort of "expectable" service, go to Germany or Austria. Ironically speaking, I like Kiev because of this unexpectable encounter.


Was in Hotel Rus for most of the last two weeks in Kiev. Hotel promoted a strip club on the 2 d floor with 1/2 off discount coupons handed out starting at 10 pm for 100 UAH or $5. Went once to this club and then another time to the club at Presidential Hotel next door. Little pressure to buy drinks or tip and good looking girls, but after buying several drinks and tipping 100 UAH for a number of girls, asked a girl about going to a hotel room. She said that that was not permitted but she would take me to the VIP room for 200 UAH. Declined and left. Another member of my tour did the 200 UAH VIP room thing, but he only received a lap dance. He claimed that girls for going to a hotel room were available in the smoking lounge but I did not check this out. If you are going to the clubs, advise wearing a coat and tie, as you will be treated better.

Contacted some girls from an online website but the first did not look anything like the photo so I offered to pay afterwards and put the money where she could see it, as I did not trust her to just grab the money and walk out. I told her I did not trust Ukrainians to not cheat me so pay afterwards, then she walked out (without the money since I blocked her from just grabbing it from the top of the TV) saying I was crazy in a loud voice. Tried again later, hotel security got involved but when I told them I paid for a double room, they stopped hassling me in the lobby. You might want to get a local cell phone with a Ukrainian sim card for $30 (around 900 UAH) for easy calling local girls.

Overall, I'd suggest getting a double room for a few bucks more or an Airbnb room as the hotel security watch the lobby and if you haven't paid for a double room, they will be hassling you for "tips" or whatever. Saw one working girl sitting around on the 2 d floor but did not try to contact her as the online girls website looked like a better quality of girls, but the photos do not show what will be arriving in your cab. If you do not like the surprise (landwhale or? Arriving by taxi, send the girl back and try again and ask for the girl (model) shown in the photos. Good luck getting that.

[Riina]

Hahaha. Your experience was just like my first time.

Hotel and strip club are bad idea in my opinion. Ukrainians have some level of self-esteem which is nothing but sheer piece of paper in the beginning. But when you find a way to dodge this, you will find a way to get as much as you want.

The principle I follow. When girl / escort is not nice to you in the beginning (when first met without exchange of money or any), I go into next level. Bribe - money, perfume. Even after this 2nd trial, still not friendly or willing to give it to me what I want, I quit and give up and go. Bitches go away and I don't waste my time. Good for both parties. Most girls, when I offer the "bribe", they come in my way, suck my cock without condom or fuck me as if they haven't had sex for ages. Don't be a winy wimp.

I think my first trip was not successful because I put my emotions in front of me. Also this Western culture's pressure. Do not fucking think about talking to a beautiful girl on the street thing. Forget about this, relax and when your dick says she is hot, aim and go fucking talk to her. She will never come back and you will never see her again. Go talk to her! How many times you look back, "I should have talked to her" while slapping your poor peppie at night alone?

They are not standardized in all aspect of life. This sex industry is not organized. I think, Kiev became sexually famous not because of standardized process nor well organized system.

If you prefer that sort of "expectable" service, go to Germany or Austria. Ironically speaking, I like Kiev because of this unexpectable encounter.With Ukrainians, keep it real simple with an offer for expected services. Absolutely no extra money is to be thrown their way in good faith. And absolutely no extra money is to be thrown their way in good faith. Lastly, absolutely no extra money is to be thrown their way in good faith.

Guys from the West are truly brainwashed to believe they can not approach a beautiful girl on the street. One of the best parts of traveling to Kiev is seeing the excitement of college age girls when I approach them with street small talk. I don't approach older girls, just the ones that still have juices.

[PhotoSlider]

...How many times you look back, "I should have talked to her" while slapping your poor peppie at night alone?

They are not standardized in all aspect of life. This sex industry is not organized. I think, Kiev became sexually famous not because of standardized process nor well organized system.

If you prefer that sort of "expectable" service, go to Germany or Austria. Ironically speaking, I like Kiev because of this unexpectable encounter.This is pure 24 karat gold!

Diversity. Assured unexpectedness.

The only regret I have is this: I could have had a BJ (or more) while in theater on more than one occasion. Not a movie theater, a real theater with performance on stage, and everybody watching. Girl was ready and excited, and I wasn't afraid, just decided I respect her feelings or something.

My regrets are more akin to amusement and need for more creativity, more adventure. It's totally doable though.

[Coyle]

Hey,

I am preparing my next trip to Kiev. This time I want to try "Threesome".

If you have experience of threesome, can you share your experience / tips / such as what's so good about threesome. With two girls, 4 hands, 2 pussies, 2 mouths, 2 glory holes?

Thanks!

[PhotoSlider]

Hey,

I am preparing my next trip to Kiev. This time I want to try "Threesome".

If you have experience of threesome, can you share your experience / tips / such as what's so good about threesome. With two girls, 4 hands, 2 pussies, 2 mouths, 2 glory holes?

Thanks!You have only 1 dick. Some girls do not consider substitutes as worth considering, and object to being second, in terms of penetration order. It's a matter of honor and pride, so to speak.

Also, changing the condom in the process makes it technically difficult.

Lots of nuances.

[Coyle]

Yes, balcony seat in opera. Everyone pretends to be gentleman and lady. I am going to make this happen when I visit next time.

I will buy entire balcony seats for her and make her sluttiest every during all ballet show.


This is pure 24 karat gold!

Diversity. Assured unexpectedness.

The only regret I have is this: I could have had a BJ (or more) while in theater on more than one occasion. Not a movie theater, a real theater with performance on stage, and everybody watching. Girl was ready and excited, and I wasn't afraid, just decided I respect her feelings or something.

My regrets are more akin to amusement and need for more creativity, more adventure. It's totally doable though.

[PhotoSlider]

Yes, balcony seat in opera. Everyone pretends to be gentleman and lady. I am going to make this happen when I visit next time.

I will buy entire balcony seats for her and make her sluttiest ever during all ballet show.I see! Maestro knows a thing or two about perversions. You'll make my dream come true.

FYI: Holding the hand between tender thighs, barely covered by her silky dress, even while sitting in parterre, is perfectly fine, and doesn't raise any brows at all. Your lady of the night would actually expect it. And if you don't, she would feel uncomfortable, doubting that you appreciate her beauty. No matter the age difference.

Drinking is another story. Parterre is usually a no-no. Got to be respectful to performers. Even Belvedere is troublesome, got to be creative with cognac in a cup of coffee and such. I guess some of us became too drunk, and misbehaved in the past. Your balcony would be NP, especially if every other night bartender sees you with a new girl.

The best spot for truly taking her, is outside of the balcony, between the entrance doors and curtain separating adventuresome couple from other spectators. 6 seats in one section would be 400+250+100 times 2 = 1500 UAH = $55. Make sure it is uninterrupted by the calls from the agency by paying the girl for the duration, or having dedicated MILF, and by all means, go for it, man!

I'm sure this sort of things happens every night at NYC Metropolitan, and in La Scala.

[Womaniszer]

Hey,

I am preparing my next trip to Kiev. This time I want to try "Threesome".

If you have experience of threesome, can you share your experience / tips / such as what's so good about threesome. With two girls, 4 hands, 2 pussies, 2 mouths, 2 glory holes?

Thanks!Threesome is an art. First one should learn how to do it. If you know the art, than you can definitely try. But I have seen lots of people who are unaware of threesome.

It has rules to perform 3 some.

[PhotoSlider]

Contrary to my previous day-dreaming posts about readily available and widely open Ukrainian pussy)) Here I am with a newbie Q for veterans.

Synopsis: 2018 Orthodox Easter is on April 8. Too early for mini-skirts.

Flowering chestnuts are in May, so are some of the ex-Soviet holidays.

May-June are for Finals at the numerous universities, yet they don't study much. They make money, and pay those pesky professors.

June-July becomes too hot, and some of the beauties say: "Fuck it! I go to Cannes / Monaco, put on my most revealing bikini, and squeeze them suckers dry".

Objective: Visit not too late and maximize the ROI.

Question: What are the days / weeks that mongers will be complaining about them fat scammers and ugly cheaters, and what would be the best time to go to Kiev in May?

As you may know by now, I like well groomed, educated students with good manners, perky breasts, sweet nipples and healthy waist measurements.

Thank you much in advance for sharing your expertise.

[Stevie69]

I have had a few, nearly all paid for, mostly in Kiev, and sometimes with the same girls. It is more complicated than I imagined. Many years ago, I used to date a bisexual girl, and we would go out and she would pick up a third. It only happened a few times, and all instances were great except the one case in which she picked up a strict lesbian whose only interaction with me was getting pounded while she ate my girl.

In Kiev, paying for it, I had a couple of bad experiences, until I learned. These first two times, the girls' intent was to to half the work for twice the money. It was not very good. I developed a simple rule: ever invite a second girl unless you have had a truly fantastic time with at least one of the girls. Preferably, try both independently beforehand. It is all about references; if they are good friends, it will be better. Only once have I had two strange girls. I had a double booking, and both girls arrived at the same time. I offered a threesome; they looked at each other and smiled. It worked.

The double BJ, which is great, but after that, you have to keep in mind that you are having sex with two girls one one, and then the other, and then back to the first one. It is a little more difficult if there is absolutely no girl-on-girl action. However, even the most heterosexual woman will kiss another woman if their tongues find each other while giving a BJ. With a penis in their faces, it cannot possibly be lesbian, can it? After that, you can probably count on a little caressing, and even fingering. The bold ones will go all the way to DATY. Anyway, getting BOTH girls fully involved at all times takes some conscientiousness on your part. One thing that works when the girls do not engage with each other too much, is doing one while she is on the lap of the other one. Particularly when they are friends, they enjoy watching each other being pounded.

Finally, and unfortunately, having to switch condoms every time you switch girls is a pain in the ass. At the very least, you have to insist that the BJ is without a condom (one more reason why you should try them out independently first). If they are really good friends (barely semi-pros who trust each other, or real pros who have gone together to get tested recently), you might get away with not switching condoms, but that is up to them. If you are fingering or eating their pussies, you are transferring fluids between them anyway. The best would be without any protection, but it would be unwise. You know you have a good session when every time you switch the condom, as soon as your penis is bare, one of the girls jumps on it and suck on it a while before you put on a new condom.


Hey,

I am preparing my next trip to Kiev. This time I want to try "Threesome".

If you have experience of threesome, can you share your experience / tips / such as what's so good about threesome. With two girls, 4 hands, 2 pussies, 2 mouths, 2 glory holes?

Thanks!

[Philosophus]

As you may know by now, I like well groomed, educated students with good manners, perky breasts, sweet nipples and healthy waist measurements.Add not taller than 1,62 m, natural nails and dressed like a student, jeans, sneakers, a jacket and so on. Braided hair can add a youthful kick.

[Tomek123]

Agree with Stevie69. It's more difficult than it looks in the movie / but in this kind of sex the most important is some emotional component. Especially if you managed to drag into bed not just hardened professional women but ordinary girls. It sometimes can really give you sharp emotions. Probably this is embedded in the male archetype. For example I like the very presence of the girls in the room. The last time when I had three, I retired to the bathroom and then went naked and went into the room where the marina and her sister were sitting. It's Sumy. City. I liked this feeling. Go naked. Then they began joking and fun to flirt with me. And the marina began to toss with humor my cock. With her hand. They understood that they were waiting for a prize and a delicious dinner ahead and therefore they were having fun and good. They were dressed. Her sister was more modest and she was a little nervous. And nervously laughed. Marina again easily threw up my dick but he already became a bit firmer that caused them to revive and smile. I stood naked in front of them. Marina told her sister, look at him carefully. And indeed she touched her finger with her fingertips and he began to get up and pour in blood.

Then I took her head and pressed her to me. She took a cock in her mouth and started to suck. Her sister looked at it and I noticed that she is excited. She is not very experienced.

After which I sent them to the shower. To be honest, I just fucked them in turn. A little in the missionary position and then in doggy. Marina was also good in a rider's pose. As I wrote earlier, you should not be too complicated a lover if you are in Ukraine. The main thing you do not have to fuck the Western pattern and endlessly think about the pleasure of a woman. You have to understand that women in Ukraine enjoy that they feel your strength and your bestial desire. It is sometimes more important for them than gentle cunnilingus three hours in a row and kisses. I can advise a blowjob from two girls. This is a great experience. But otherwise I avoid too complicated sex during the triad / it just can deprive you of pleasure. The best way is to just good and hard fuck one girl. Then the second. Without all kinds of kamasutra. The more Ukrainian girls like brutal fuck and love when they are hard fucked in doggy.

Your bestial passion is a big flattery for their self-esteem. They think, if this guy turned into such a beast then I'm very beautiful and I have great value. So do not be afraid to be an animal if you are in Ukraine. But of course without cruelty and violence.

This society is not very western yet and being a submissive female is not a humiliation for many women. Have this. It is important. It's not American women. Ukrainian women appreciate the strength of men. But on the other hand they can be very voracious and eat your chocolate. Fruit and Dutch cheese. Remember this haha. This is Ukraine and they like to devour someone's account. It's delicious and a lot to eat at your expense. So hide under the bed a small piece of meat or cheese for yourself if you do not want to go to the supermarket at night. The second feature is the farther you will be from Kiev the cheaper will be your pussy and sucking mouths but the worse there will be English. But I speak Russian therefore I do not have this problem.

Marina and her friends. (two of her friends in this photo I also fucked).

[Coyle]

My fantasy is. Renting an apartment with 3 rooms. Find two girls. Buy some Bed Spreader Restraint belts. Tie each girl on each bed and fuck them as I want. I want to put the mask on their face so that they can't see. Creating my own world of Harlem. What an exciting idea! Fuck this girl with vibrator while the other girl hear all crazy moaning and move to the other room and fuck the other girl while sipping whiskey and cigar on my mouth while playing some porn or nirvana music loudly. Am I crazy?


Agree with Stevie69. It's more difficult than it looks in the movie / but in this kind of sex the most important is some emotional component. Especially if you managed to drag into bed not just hardened professional women but ordinary girls. It sometimes can really give you sharp emotions. Probably this is embedded in the male archetype. For example I like the very presence of the girls in the room. The last time when I had three, I retired to the bathroom and then went naked and went into the room where the marina and her sister were sitting. It's Sumy. City. I liked this feeling. Go naked. Then they began joking and fun to flirt with me. And the marina began to toss with humor my cock. With her hand. They understood that they were waiting for a prize and a delicious dinner ahead and therefore they were having fun and good. They were dressed. Her sister was more modest and she was a little nervous. And nervously laughed. Marina again easily threw up my dick but he already became a bit firmer that caused them to revive and smile. I stood naked in front of them. Marina told her sister, look at him carefully. And indeed she touched her finger with her fingertips and he began to get up and pour in blood.

Then I took her head and pressed her to me. She took a cock in her mouth and started to suck. Her sister looked at it and I noticed that she is excited. She is not very experienced.

[DramaFree11]

Get a lite!


My fantasy is. Renting an apartment with 3 rooms. Find two girls. Buy some Bed Spreader Restraint belts. Tie each girl on each bed and fuck them as I want. I want to put the mask on their face so that they can't see. Creating my own world of Harlem. What an exciting idea! Fuck this girl with vibrator while the other girl hear all crazy moaning and move to the other room and fuck the other girl while sipping whiskey and cigar on my mouth while playing some porn or nirvana music loudly. Am I crazy?

[PhotoSlider]

My fantasy is. Renting an apartment with 3 rooms. Find two girls. Buy some Bed Spreader Restraint belts. Tie each girl on each bed and fuck them as I want. I want to put the mask on their face so that they can't see. Creating my own world of Harlem. What an exciting idea! Fuck this girl with vibrator while the other girl hear all crazy moaning and move to the other room and fuck the other girl while sipping whiskey and cigar on my mouth while playing some porn or nirvana music loudly. Am I crazy?Go. Implement.

After done, please post a report about your inevitable success. Only then Forum may decide on your prowess and masculinity.

[Womaniszer]

My fantasy is. Renting an apartment with 3 rooms. Find two girls. Buy some Bed Spreader Restraint belts. Tie each girl on each bed and fuck them as I want. I want to put the mask on their face so that they can't see. Creating my own world of Harlem. What an exciting idea! Fuck this girl with vibrator while the other girl hear all crazy moaning and move to the other room and fuck the other girl while sipping whiskey and cigar on my mouth while playing some porn or nirvana music loudly. Am I crazy?You are 100% not crazy. Its all about Fantasy. Just keep your fantasies booming. You will never be old by mind. As sex is in mind not body.

[Tomek123]

Coyle,

I yesterday almost completed your bold brutal dream / only without binding. A good hard fuck in the city of Sumy. Girl 23 years old.

Nice nice voice. Attitude to the client is polite. A little joked on different topics. I was given a cup of coffee.

Fucked her like Stalin's executioners fucked wives and daughters of influential Soviet officials and other repressed,enemies of the people, I was yesterday in good physical shape and my balls were filled with milk. Gave vent to and released all his animal instincts to freedom. Sex was mostly when she was lying on her stomach. With her legs spread apart. I love this position and I like to see the delicate elegant back of the girl and the defenseless ass. Very heavy blows like a hammer. I do not know if she liked it or not, but she moaned plaintively and maybe with pleasure. I hope that I moaned with pleasure and not pains. Huh. I wanted to cover her back with my mayonnaise but she tightly squeezed my dick with a pussy and made several impulses with the muscles of the vagina (a small Ukrainian female trick, they make it so that you finish faster) so suddenly all of my milk flowed into the condom with a powerful stream. Damn it was a brutal great fuck. A little rest and a little nice chatter. Then a thought arose when looking at her fair skin and chest to sit on her and fuck her between breasts. She agreed.

Slightly licked tongue my balls and masturbated my dick.

After which I began to fuck her tits / no bad. For a long time could not finish and the sperm was very small. In the end she do good HJ and I finished. The apartment is quite clean. Not very expensive interior but the apartment is in the center of the city. It's convenient. Anal did not try. Maybe next time. The price of all this fuck 800 hryvnia (30 $) (no bad for this poor region) . Plus bought her fruit for 70 hryvnia and chocolate for 50 hryvnia. At parting gently touched tongue to my palm. A very pleasant feeling.

[Michi T]

Coyle,
I yesterday almost completed your bold brutal dream / only without binding. A good hard fuck in the city of Sumy. Girl 23 years old.
Congratulations, sounds good! Where did you find here?

[Michi T]

...The last time when I had three, I retired to the bathroom and then went naked and went into the room where the marina and her sister were sitting. It's Sumy. City. I liked this feeling. Go naked. Then they began joking and fun to flirt with me. And the marina began to toss with humor my cock. With her hand. ...Huch! Awesome story! But I don't get it, is this Marina a paid girl or a civilian from the street? Did you know her well? I mean, she came to your room and then you walked around naked. This is what I like but hardly every happens.

[Tomek123]

Huch! Awesome story! But I don't get it, is this Marina a paid girl or a civilian from the street? Did you know her well? I mean, she came to your room and then you walked around naked. This is what I like but hardly every happens.This is a friend of my Ukrainian friend wlad. I wrote about her like that. She is not a prostitute in the classic sense of the word. She lives an ordinary life. Just this is her way to earn. This is a common type of girl in Ukraine. She has a certain number of friends who fuck her for money. In Ukraine it's OK. Because a woman thinks that her beauty is a way to earn a little. I fucked her several times and had a triad with her and her sister. And also fucked some of her girlfriends.

[Jymondor]

And now I see the other guys writing here that this is not true, they get girls elsewhere in Kiev for less or no money. Yeah yeah right. Let them talk. I can imagine how beautiful they are and what perfect body they have;-) . Not! Those people here at ISG also write about the GREAT FKK Clubs in Germany. So I know what kind of girls they are looking for. We in Germany don't go anymore to those FFK clubs as it is crowded by Rumanian girls and their attitude, manners, etc. Is absolutely bad and they look all the same. The service is bad and they behave too professional. I am one of "Those people here at ISG also write about the GREAT FKK Clubs in Germany. ". So I'll clarify a bit. It would be a long-read.

I am a Canadian with Ukrainian background. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian fluently. I have no trouble contacting any girl or agency in Kiev.

When I travel to Kiev, I always make stop-overs in Frankfurt for 3-4 days to visit FKK. Sharks (Darmstadt) is my current favourite.

Usually, I spend 50-70 days per year in FKK and a bit less in Kiev. So I can compare. What is better? My answer is: it is impossible to compare. FKK and Ukrainian call girls are very different experiences to me. But I like FKK concept more than escort type mongering in Kiev.

Mongering in Kiev is typical escort venue. Call, set the time, go there or wait and never be 100% sure who you will see eventually. Most of the pictures are fake. And this is the biggest problem. Top agencies like Gia provide real photos, but they overpriced and service level usually doesn't worth extra money you are paying.

Sure you can see the girls in the strip clubs like Rio / Dolls / Harem. But these clubs are not for me unless I go there with the local friends (for some reason they prefer Dolls, so I am more often there). I don't like to look like an idiot sitting there alone. Also, all these gloomy security guys in each corner don't make comfortable either. Besides I don't like loud music. However, girls there look OK and in most of cases care about the service if you can afford it.

In German FKK all girls are fully naked. I mean FKK in Hesse or Baden-Wrttemberg, not sauna-clubs in NRW. So WYSIWYG. No surprises.

Service in FKK is not predictable. I hear lots of complaints about service quality in FKK mostly from first-timers or rare visitors. There is an answer here. Girls very easy recognize inexperienced visitors and do not bother with the good service trying to upsell some extras. I am the regular there, and girls know that. I have few friends among the regulars, we talk each to other, share information. For that reason, I get much better service than strangers. The more I visit FKK, the better chance for a good session.

Some men complain than German FKK overcrowded with Romanian girls. I have no troubles with that. Many of them are doable. I don't mind Romanians.

But anyway mistakes happen. I easily resolved that problem for FKK. Mistake costs me 50. If I don't like a girl I took to the room in FKK I use her as I could, do not cum and save pop for the next girl. That's easy. More than hundred girls available.

If you don't like a girl in Kiev, you don't have many options. Of course, you can call another one, but in my experience, it could take a long time.

All in all for all the reasons above I get better level of service in German FKK than in Kiev.

Sex is the only goal when mongering in Kiev. All other is the hassle. Call many numbers because desirable girls are not available at the moment. Sometimes you have to negotiate with hotel doorman. When you go to incall, you worry a bit about safety. You must have another SIM card to don't expose your phone number. Sex is the only reward for all those inconveniences.

In FKK you relax in sauna or Jacuzzi, enjoy drinks, watch naked girls and slowly make a decision who will be next.

The major question is money. OK. I will not speak about Gia agency or Rio / Dolls strip clubs. Let's take an average 2000 UAH per hour. I doubt you will get decent girl & service for less. This is 62 per hour. Standard price in FKK is 50 per HR. So, Kiev sounds like a bargain. But wait. In FKK you chat with the girl in common area for free and pay for straight sex only. Usually, I book girl in Kiev for as minimum 2 hrs, but usually for longer. Two hours in Kiev is 125. Two hours in FKK will cost 200 if no extras.

But how long you will do the girls within these two hours? I need at least 40 min to recharge myself. I don't know what to do with the girl between the shoot. Of course, I chat with them. But chatting with the hookers is not a big pleasure.

In FKK after the first shot, I will take time in sauna / Jacuzzi / pool and as I back to working conditions I will take another girl for hrs. 50 + 50 = 100, which is less than 125 in Kiev. And two girls is more exciting than one.

Yes, I still pay 65 entrance fee in FKK Sharks. But for this money, I have unlimited access to all facilities, food, and cold drinks. I am not even talking about the pleasure watching naked girls.

Sure FKK is my preference. But I still mongering in Kiev. Why? First of all, when I am in Kiev for business I don't like to waste my evenings. At any case scenario mongering in Kiev is two levels better than in Toronto.

Another reason is that mongering in Kiev is like gambling. You can lose, but you can get a prize. I got there many fabulous sessions with nice looking girls. I would say Kiev is the second best place to me for the paid sex.

[Tomek123]

I'm a little puzzled. I found this young talent. I'm looking for a permanent sponsor. Her conditions are 1,000 dollars a month and, if possible, presents and elements of secular life or she wants $ 200 a day and a night together. She lives in the city of Sumy. 18 years old, student girl. It is so not on time. I have big expenses now related to my ex-wife and payments for the child. (This stupid woman (ex-wife) wants to make me a beggar) .

She young lady can leave Sumy but not for long because she is studying at the university. But this is generally not very much. (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex).

http://gia.la/girl/ksusha4

If someone is interested in traveling, then maybe someone is ready to brighten up my loneliness in this northern city-drink beer and have a little fun. I can help to rent an apartment in the center and I have some interesting contacts and know no bad salon hand job with young girls. I am often forced to visit this city. This is connected with my work.

[Tomek123]

I am one of "Those people here at ISG also write about the GREAT FKK Clubs in Germany. ". So I'll clarify a bit. It would be a long-read.

I am a Canadian with Ukrainian background. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian fluently. I have no trouble contacting any girl or agency in Kiev.

When I travel to Kiev, I always make stop-overs in Frankfurt for 3-4 days to visit FKK. Sharks (Darmstadt) is my current favourite.

Usually, I spend 50-70 days per year in FKK and a bit less in Kiev. So I can compare. What is better? My answer is: it is impossible to compare. FKK and Ukrainian call girls are very different experiences to me. But I like FKK concept more than escort type mongering in Kiev.

Mongering in Kiev is typical escort venue. Call, set the time, go there or wait and never be 100% sure who you will see eventually. Most of the pictures are fake. And this is the biggest problem. Top agencies like Gia provide real photos, but they overpriced and service level usually doesn't worth extra money you are paying..My mother is 50 % Ukrainian and 50% Belarusian. My father is a Polish-Catholic. ,Glory to Ukraine, friend).

At any case scenario mongering in Kiev is two levels better than in Toronto.

Speaking about the sex scene in Canada in Toronto, you mean the beauty of the girls or the breadth of choice?

Of course, Kiev and Ukraine in general will be better I think for sex. The reason for poverty in the population. Many beautiful girls are looking desperately for a sponsor. I was never in the US and Canada but I heard that beautiful young girls there value their body very highly. Especially if it's white women.

[Jymondor]

Speaking about the sex scene in Canada in Toronto, you mean the beauty of the girls or the breadth of choice?

Of course, Kiev and Ukraine in general will be better I think for sex. The reason for poverty in the population. Many beautiful girls are looking desperately for a sponsor. I was never in the US and Canada but I heard that beautiful young girls there value their body very highly. Especially if it's white women.I wrote "mongering" but did not write "sex" or "service level. ".

First of all, I'll clarify what is better in Kiev.

1. In Kiev, there is a better chance to meet young girls with no extra pounds. The major downturn in Toronto is a shortage of the gazelles. Most of affordable working girls either got some junk in the trunk or simply overweight. The girls with perfect bodies are available in Toronto but service starts at $400/ HR and in most of cases those queens are quite restrictive.

2. If you can afford Rio / Harem / Dolls, you can see a selection of girls before picking. There is not such possibility in Toronto.

3. In Kiev, you can afford longer stay with the girls. Even if booking with GIA, which is upper price limit you pay less when you book longer. 5000 UH / HR is $227 CAD. This is comparable with agency's incall in Toronto, which is usually $250-275 CAD. But when you book 4 hrs you pay 7500-12000 UAH, which is between $85 and $115 CAD. This way is better than extended stay prices in Toronto. This difference even more significant if you want agency VIP girl, which usually $300 CAD. Comparing Gia girls with Toronto VIP girls is more feasible because Gia girls still younger and look better.

But mongering in Toronto has some advantages over Kiev either.

1. Predictable service. If you book with a reputable agency, if you are clean, well groomed, polite and have fresh breath in 80% you will get excellent service. If you are returning customer to the agency, you might be confident that service will be as promised. I never had poor sessions with TDL (Top Drawer ladies) or Minx, where I am a regular.

2. Better service level. This is only if you book with an agency or reputable girl. In most of cases BBBJ, CIM, DATY, DIGITS included in the base price. Some girls do not charge extra for GREEK, Some charge very reasonably. GIA girls want extra for BBBJ, extra for CIM, and extra for Anal. DIGITS is less available in Kiev than in Toronto. Besides DIGITS is not listed in the selection of the available services.

3. Better information. There are two popular boards where you can find reliable reviews on the girls. 90% of reviews in Kiev are fake as well as photos. There is a local Kiev-x board where reviews can be trusted. But guys there discussing mostly cheap incall girls, which I am not interested in. Lack of reliable source of information brings me to the agency. I pay extra just for the confidence that I will not get something ugly and older than I expected. GIA is a reliable provider.

4. Diversity. While in Kiev you will see Ukrainian girls only in Toronto you can find a girl of any race and any background. No needs to travel around the World. Fat wallet in Toronto will help.

5. Logistic. In Toronto incall usually located in the hotel rooms. This safe, easy to find, easy to park. I do not go to incall locations in Kiev just because of logistics and safety concerns.

Mongering in Toronto is more expensive in Kiev. Ther is no discussions on that. But in Toronto, you can get better service for the money comparable with Kiev upper-level price if you stay for 1 or 1. 5 hrs. Also Toronto is the perfect place to see girls with different backgrounds.

Mongering in Kiev is better for longer stays 3+ hrs. Also, girls in Kiev in average look better than in Toronto. They are younger, slimmer, tighter, look better. Just for that reason I put Kiev two levels higher than Toronto. Young, tight body of the gazelle type is crucial to me. I can do average looking Canadian girls with soft body only if I hungry for sex. I get real pleasure with young beauties in Kiev or German FKK.

There is one note here. I am talking only about expensive and verified Kiev girls (Gia, Rio / Harem / Dolls). Sure you can save more booking 1500-2000 UAH / HR indy girls, but as I mentioned in my previous post, this is gambling. I prefer confidence rather than gambling and pay the price for that.

[GenieRiodan]

I'm a little puzzled. I found this young talent. I'm looking for a permanent sponsor. Her conditions are 1,000 dollars a month and, if possible, presents and elements of secular life or she wants $ 200 a day and a night together. She lives in the city of Sumy. 18 years old, student girl. It is so not on time. I have big expenses now related to my ex-wife and payments for the child. (This stupid woman (ex-wife) wants to make me a beggar) .

She young lady can leave Sumy but not for long because she is studying at the university. But this is generally not very much. (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex).

http://gia.la/girl/ksusha4

If someone is interested in traveling, then maybe someone is ready to brighten up my loneliness in this northern city-drink beer and have a little fun. I can help to rent an apartment in the center and I have some interesting contacts and know no bad salon hand job with young girls. I am often forced to visit this city. This is connected with my work.Hey fella,

I am definitely interested in Ukraine. I am a globe trotter and wanted to travel and stay in Ukraine for sometime and explore the scene there. I might make a trial run first for a week or two before moving in for 3 months. The country, culture and everything seems new to me and exciting as well.

[Michi T]

... (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex)....Loool, I would say 1'200 UAH per day is enough for such a girl.

And hey, you want to pay such a street girl 1'000 $ per month? For what? Tststs.

[Michi T]

This is a friend of my Ukrainian friend wlad. I wrote about her like that. She is not a prostitute in the classic sense of the word. She lives an ordinary life. Just this is her way to earn. This is a common type of girl in Ukraine. She has a certain number of friends who fuck her for money. In Ukraine it's OK. Because a woman thinks that her beauty is a way to earn a little. I fucked her several times and had a triad with her and her sister. And also fucked some of her girlfriends.Interesting. Is there a way for an outsider such as me to get to know to such girls? I tried on Mamba but no real success.

[PhotoSlider]

...GIA girls want extra for BBBJ, extra for CIM, and extra for Anal...Correct for the latter two. BBBJ is either included at GIA (most of the time, with spontaneous declines here and there based on sympathy), or not provided as an option at all.

Maybe you participated in negotiations on the subject with GIA. Typically ladies from other agencies use it as an up sell point, not GIA.

[Riina]

I'm a little puzzled. I found this young talent. I'm looking for a permanent sponsor. Her conditions are 1,000 dollars a month and, if possible, presents and elements of secular life or she wants $ 200 a day and a night together. She lives in the city of Sumy. 18 years old, student girl. It is so not on time. I have big expenses now related to my ex-wife and payments for the child. (This stupid woman (ex-wife) wants to make me a beggar) .

She young lady can leave Sumy but not for long because she is studying at the university. But this is generally not very much. (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex).

http://gia.la/girl/ksusha4

If someone is interested in traveling, then maybe someone is ready to brighten up my loneliness in this northern city-drink beer and have a little fun. I can help to rent an apartment in the center and I have some interesting contacts and know no bad salon hand job with young girls. I am often forced to visit this city. This is connected with my work.Not puzzling. Sponsorship offers are by far the biggest scam run against foreigners in Ukraine. I don't understand why you are pairing a Gia girl with an internet unknown. Ksusha will be your fuck doll for the day. How could you know what's really on offer by the other girl?

It makes absolutely no sense to me offering sponsorship to a prostitute. You would be far better off just paying for the time and services.

[Tomek123]

Not puzzling. Sponsorship offers are by far the biggest scam run against foreigners in Ukraine. I don't understand why you are pairing a Gia girl with an internet unknown. Ksusha will be your fuck doll for the day. How could you know what's really on offer by the other girl?

It makes absolutely no sense to me offering sponsorship to a prostitute. You would be far better off just paying for the time and services.My personal experience especially in cities that can not be called megacities says that it is not as unambiguous as you write.

The problem of Ukraine is that unlike Liberia or Colombia or Brazil, many young Ukrainian beauties have a big psychological barrier to commercial sex. It's cultural and mental differences. Ukrainian beauties really want money and they tend to have big problems but they are not so accessible as beauties from the countries of the Third World. And if in huge Kiev it's still not a problem, then for such cities as Sumy or even the Dnieper is a problem. This is a natural brake for mongering. That is, the problem of mongering in Ukraine is not that the infrastructure of commercial sex is poorly developed, not only that prostitution is prohibited. Indeed, if prostitution were legalized tomorrow, we would have had several such agencies as Gia in every Ukrainian city. Even in Chernigov or Sumy there would be an agency like Gia only half cheaper. And we would have traveled with you would in Sumy fuck girls like Ksenia or famous sucker dicks and CIM maker from Gia Polina in Poltava or Czerkasy, and cheaper than in Kiev. And we would have had realistic real photos on the websites of these agencies. And hundreds of millions of dollars would have got into the budget of Ukraine. But this is not interested in a police mafia that I think every month extorts from Jia a solid amount of money for the opportunity to work. Gia should be in prison. But they do not sit in prison. As we see. Because they give bribes and have influential protectors.

You would be very surprised if I told you the truth. You will be very surprised if you find out that these young beauties who have a Ukrainian sponsor in fact very often do not have good money. Sometimes it's a few hundred dollars a month. I'm writing seriously. But who among you can ask-but why this girl does not want to come to Kiev and suck every day a new Italian or German cock? After all, she is so beautiful and she only needs to create an account on Mamba and on the same day she will have many offers. She can go to a nightclub and in 10 minutes around her there will be several guys from Europe or the US. Why does she suck a member of this Ukrainian guy for a miserable $ 500 a month and sometimes visits to a restaurant or gifts??

But we are powerless to answer this question. Ukraine will never be like Colombia or the Philippines. Just because a Ukrainian girl will never be like a Filipino girl. You can curse them on the forum, pour tons of scraps on them, but they are what they are. They will never stand like a herd of cows or sheep in the street as it is in Bangkok or Pattaya. So many guys here hate Ukraine and Ukrainian girls and do not spare time for negative reviews and comments. These guys sincerely think so-I know that these girls work for 150-250 dollars a month. I know that a kilogram of meat in Ukraine costs approximately as much as in western Europe. But why do not they rush at me at the sight of my Norwegian passport? Why do not they want to suck my cock and eat my cum? It's absolutely illogical. I can not understand it.

And really male sperm is an ordinary culinary dish for Ukrainian girls. Male sperm is support and financial assistance. The girl who eats male sperm can always buy something or eat better.

It's true. This is reality. But the main problem in Ukraine is that many beautiful girls will never agree to offer their body on Mamba for money as ordinary prostitutes. And if it's not such a huge city like Kiev, then the girls are just afraid for their reputation. They do not want to be gossiped. How can you call a 18 years old girl who three times a week sucks a dick of a guy who is 47 years old in Sumy (for not so big money actually)? These girls are very much. But she is calm because no one can call her a prostitute. Her reputation is clean in her eyes. And this is the biggest problem in Ukraine. Because in Ukraine street work is so important. Therefore in Ukraine it takes more time to fuck 10 beautiful girls than in Colombia. Because in Ukraine they will suck your dick but only after they see that you do not consider them prostitutes but simply want to help a little financially Ukrainian girl in such a difficult time for their country. If you act brutally and too frankly then many beautiful girls will simply send you into the ass and say-go to hell the pervert.

Secondly, I wrote to this girl that I'm not ready to pay her immediately 1,000 dollars. Because I'm not sure about her. She said she was ready to take $ 200 a night and a all day together. That is for 24 hours together. . its not a little, but not very much. In Kiev, many such girls will not want to fuck with you for less than 150 dollars per hour.

[DramaFree11]

I agree completely. I would take it one step further, most girls say they are interested in Sponsorship and this is just not the case. They have no desire to go North America, maybe Europe. They no if they go to North America chances are they will have to work and as most of us know Ukraine Girls are allergic to work. Good luck and be careful.


Not puzzling. Sponsorship offers are by far the biggest scam run against foreigners in Ukraine. I don't understand why you are pairing a Gia girl with an internet unknown. Ksusha will be your fuck doll for the day. How could you know what's really on offer by the other girl?

It makes absolutely no sense to me offering sponsorship to a prostitute. You would be far better off just paying for the time and services.

[DramaFree11]

Nice post, spot on. I think Germany is a better bang for the buck, especially if you add in Travel Expenses. Kiev is a long term game, but I just do not think it is worth the money and energy any more. I just got back from a successful trip to Moscow. Amazing experience hot girls every where, unlike Ukraine, were they are just not accessible or not even in the country currently and I do not see this changing anytime soon, if ever. Maybe if you are working Ukraine or going to school, but there is just not that many hot girls running around like there was 5-7 years ago.

I saw more hot girls in Moscow in 1 day, then I probably would see in month or 2 in Kiev, it was crazy good. Also prices were comparable, Moscow is slightly more expensive, but not bad at all. Another thing I loved about Moscow there where very few Sex Tourist,(T. Guys), because of Visa Requirements. The money spent on the Visa was well worth it.

For the guys that are into girls going to your apartment or hotel, this is not any issue in Moscow, both Escorts and Normal girls not issue. There was no clock watching, it was a great trip.


I am one of "Those people here at ISG also write about the GREAT FKK Clubs in Germany. ". So I'll clarify a bit. It would be a long-read.

I am a Canadian with Ukrainian background. I speak both Russian and Ukrainian fluently. I have no trouble contacting any girl or agency in Kiev.

When I travel to Kiev, I always make stop-overs in Frankfurt for 3-4 days to visit FKK. Sharks (Darmstadt) is my current favourite.

Usually, I spend 50-70 days per year in FKK and a bit less in Kiev. So I can compare. What is better? My answer is: it is impossible to compare. FKK and Ukrainian call girls are very different experiences to me. But I like FKK concept more than escort type mongering in Kiev.

Mongering in Kiev is typical escort venue. Call, set the time, go there or wait and never be 100% sure who you will see eventually. Most of the pictures are fake. And this is the biggest problem. Top agencies like Gia provide real photos, but they overpriced and service level usually doesn't worth extra money you are paying..

[Jymondor]

The problem of Ukraine is that unlike Liberia or Colombia or Brazil, many young Ukrainian beauties have a big psychological barrier to commercial sex. It's cultural and mental differences. Ukrainian beauties really want money, and they tend to have big problems, but they are not so accessible as beauties from the countries of the Third World. I more than agree. Being a big fan of the German FKK clubs, I know that up to 90% girls there are from Romania. Of course, Romania is a poor country. But is a member of EU and girls are legally permitted to work there. However, Romania is not the only poor country in EU, but I don't see many girls from Poland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania or so. This makes me think that Romanian girls have a much lower psychological barrier to commercial sex than other eastern European girls.

[Tomek123]

I agree completely. I would take it one step further, most girls say they are interested in Sponsorship and this is just not the case. They have no desire to go North America, maybe Europe. They no if they go to North America chances are they will have to work and as most of us know Ukraine Girls are allergic to work. Good luck and be careful.Gentlemen. Do you really think that I'm so stupid that I'll give her 1000 dollars at once? I'm not a fool.

Nobody can force you to go to an expensive restaurant. These guys who write a lot of bad things about Ukrainian girls themselves are often to blame for the fact that the girls cheat on them. These guys are doing a lot of stupid things in this poor country where the girls will never give up a good dinner in a good restaurant and then these guys blame the Ukrainian girls. These guys want girls in such a poor country to be crystal-clear??these guys are not smart enough to say firmly and voice their position. And then they blame all the local girls in the scammers. If someone wants to make an impression and is afraid of appearing insufficiently rich before the Ukrainian lady and leading her to an expensive restaurant, then this is only his personal problems.

If someone of us knows that in this lake in Brazil live piranhas and this guy still goes swimming in this lake it's just his personal problems. If anyone knows that there are a lot of sharks in the ocean around Cape Town, but he neglects basic techniques and safety rules and swims and dives then some day a big white shark will eat this guy. It's a matter of time.

If the guy knows that Ukraine is the poorest country in Europe, poorer than Albania, if the guy knows that the country has a meager salary and almost destroyed medicine and education, and millions of people are forced to emigrate from the country in search of work, if the guy knows that many girls work for 150-200 dollars a month. You can not demand in a poor country that people are honest. It's absurd. It's the same as blaming the guys from the favelas of Rio in that they robbed you and took away your phone and wallet. And you did not know what Rio is?

If you firmly say, dear, I do not want to go to this restaurant. Dinner here can cost me 200 or even 300 dollars. It's not a small money. I do not agree. I do not need it. I can give you money and you yourself can spend it on your entertainment. If you are interested in my proposal.

If she's just a scammer then she'll run away from you. And if she really needs your money then she will go to your apartment and you'll fuck her.

I can understand the guys who were deceived in 2004. When Ukraine discovered itself for the West. But now it's been 13 years. Damn.

[Member #4722]

I more than agree. Being a big fan of the German FKK clubs, I know that up to 90% girls there are from Romania. Of course, Romania is a poor country. But is a member of EU and girls are legally permitted to work there. However, Romania is not the only poor country in EU, but I don't see many girls from Poland, Slovenia, Slovakia, Lithuania or so. This makes me think that Romanian girls have a much lower psychological barrier to commercial sex than other eastern European girls.Yet somehow it is nearly impossible to find a good escort in Romania!

[Member #4722]

I agree completely. I would take it one step further, most girls say they are interested in Sponsorship and this is just not the case. They have no desire to go North America, maybe Europe. They no if they go to North America chances are they will have to work and as most of us know Ukraine Girls are allergic to work. Good luck and be careful.The one real hottie I met off mamba last trip is 22 and such a strange bird. We have become friends and she does not work and only goes to university. But the way she talks about school is that it is pure torture for her!

[Tomek123]

The one real hottie I met off mamba last trip is 22 and such a strange bird. We have become friends and she does not work and only goes to university. But the way she talks about school is that it is pure torture for her!Why is it difficult to find a good escort in Romania? I'll tell you so, my friend. My friend Alena once showed me in a nightclub in the city of Sumy, Ukraine (this 300000 inhabitants) of girls who sat at a table and drank wine. She showed, you see this company of girls a few charming girls are girls who have returned from Switzerland. And this little table is a girl who works in Japan. But you see this table is Moscow. And these girls are from a modeling agency that works in China. It's an escort and fashion shows at the same time. They walk on the catwalk and after then suck a cock of the rich Chinese. And so on. Cyprus. Italy.

But not many of these girls would agree to be prostitutes in their hometown. This is a very big shame for them and the fear of becoming a victim of gossip. For example in Sumy there are beautiful girls prostitutes. But you do not often see that they advertise themselves in advertising or standing on the street. It's rare. They always act in the same way in such not very large cities. Wealthy guys in Ukraine often exchange contacts of girls.

A beautiful lady has, for example, 10-16 regular customers and it's like a closed club. Therefore she can even have a guy who may not know about it. It is often in Ukraine. Girls have a double life. In this club can only get to the familiar guy. The poor guy from the street can not find her phone number. So her reputation is not so doubtful if everyone knew that she was a prostitute. I do not need advertising. Such a girl can suck two dick at the same time but that does not mean that a simple beggar guy can buy it. It's a very common type of prostitution in Ukraine.

Another common type of prostitution is a brothel in the form of a massage salon. On this video the police stopped the activity of such a salon. It is also a closed salon for people from the street. A simple guy from the street might not even know that in his city there is such a brothel. All the girls in this brothel are not local. It is in Ukraine the usual practice. It is also closed to people from the street salon. A simple poor guy from the street may not even know that in his city there is such a brothel. All the girls in this brothel are not local. It is in Ukraine usual practice. If the city is small like Sumy or Iwano-Frankiwsk then the local girls do not want to work in such a salon and you need to invite girls from other cities or small towns. This is how the massage parlor with young girls in the city of Sumy works. They make a good hand job. They are all from other cities of Ukraine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_snTj0zbr8&feature=youtu.be

[DramaFree11]

Yes, Ukraine Girls have a bad habit of making everything sounded harder then it real is.


The one real hottie I met off mamba last trip is 22 and such a strange bird. We have become friends and she does not work and only goes to university. But the way she talks about school is that it is pure torture for her!

[Jymondor]

Yet somehow it is nearly impossible to find a good escort in Romania!I spoke to many Romanian girls in German FKKs to find why so. From their stories I found two reasons:

Reason #1. Romanian girls don't want to be disclosed at home. It makes sense to me because as I can see, there are not many Romanian girls in the porn industry. They prefer to do not show their faces to the public. Contrary, Chesh or Hungarian girls are very common in porn, but very rare in German FKK's.

Majority of the Romanian girls attached to the families. They travel home as often as they can afford. They help families with the money.

I asked some girls, what happens if your parents get known what you do here in Germany. The most common answer "my father will kill me".

Reason #2. High level of criminality.

[Jymondor]

I saw more hot girls in Moscow in 1 day, then I probably would see in month or 2 in Kiev, it was crazy good. Also prices were comparable, Moscow is slightly more expensive, but not bad at all. Another thing I loved about Moscow there where very few Sex Tourist,(T. Guys), because of Visa Requirements. The money spent on the Visa was well worth it.Moscow is a different story. There is a huge difference in the life quality in Moscow and provincial cities. Girls from the small towns can make in one day more money in Moscow than their parents in one month in their cities. There is no such a huge difference in life quality between Kiev and small Ukrainian towns.

I successfully mongered in Russia for many years. The best city for price/quality balance was Kazan. After Russia launched a war against Ukraine I as a Ukrainian discontinued all business relationships with my Russian partners/customers and do not travel there anymore.

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Yes, Ukraine Girls have a bad habit of making everything sounded harder then it real is.Somehow my Ukrainian girlfriends did precisely the opposite, making it easy and keeping everybody happy and content.

- Want to go into the bedroom? Give me a sec, and please help to unzip here.

Or:

- You like this girl? NP, I have to leave in half an hour anyway. Do you want me to get back tomorrow?

It's all in the eye of beholder. Certainly, some initial screening must be done first, and that is rather straightforward, as long as your rules are clear to yourself, realistic and acceptable to others.

I don't like too simple though. Creative and sophisticated, yet sincere is better. Pedigree doesn't matter much, upbringing and exposure to great things in life are more important. IMHO that's why Kiev stands out compared to other cities.

[KY694]

It will be an endless argument to compare Germany FKK or other parts of the world to Kiev.

As pointed out before by Jymondor, FKK and Kiev offer different things. It greatly depends on personal tastes.

I am in Kiev for 2 days so far, and I am absolutely in love with it.

I have been to FKK before (not a regular) and the contrast is huge.

From the comparison, I get to know myself and what I like better.

In FKK, since I am not a regular, I have to constantly bargain for kissing etc. (And most of the time I failed).

As Jymondor mentioned, girls see that I am not a regular, they are aggressive to upsell me.

One time a girl failed to upsell me, she rode me for 5 min, said she is tired, sat on the side refused to do anything at all.

My FKK experience is 50% good at best. My brothel experience was 20% good at best.

In Kiev, I got the GFE experience that I want.

I had a girl who kissed me deeper than anyone in my life (sorry, my life is pathetic).

I had a girl who does BJ for a full 10 minutes at least (in FKK, would be very lucky to get a full 2 min).

I had a girl who hanged out with me for another 1. 5 hour after the 1 HR session just because she liked me and she is completely independent.

(If you are not regular, girls never go back to you if they know they won't get a session from you anymore).

I am in love with Kiev.

Exactly because I like amateur GFE (sympathetic non / semi-pro), I found that I like girls from mamba / Tinder / street more (never tried street actions so far).

The agency service in Kiev is great, much better than what you can get in western Europe (maybe good service if you pay 250 euro / hour).

But it is too professional and not my cup of tea.

We all have very different tastes, and it is very personal. And we cannot judge each other for our tastes.

We will never agree on one rank list comparing Kiev, S. America and Germany.

For me Kiev is unique that I can get semi-pro white girl for affordable price (never been to other EE or Russia), Kiev is my personal first choice, hands-down.

[Jymondor]

The agency service in Kiev is great, much better than what you can get in western Europe (maybe good service if you pay 250 euro / hour).I know only one agency in Kiev. This is GIA (KEA is the same). It is significantly overpriced over market average, but girls are good and service is predictable. Do you know another reputable agency in Kiev other than GIA?

[Tomek123]

I don't feel Gia is significantly over priced. I enjoyed my sessions, the girls were really into it. I suspect that even seasoned Kiev mongers scan the site regularly for just the right girl. If an escort like Ksusha comes fresh out of the gate at 19 sucking dick bare back full of raging teen hormones, who in their right mind would not pay that extra Benjamin for the convenience?By the way, I fucked Ksyusha twice. The first time she was very proud and independent and the last time she gave birth to a child.

And if the first time I saw discontent on her face when my sperm accidentally hit her in the eye now she works as an African on the plantations of the southern states. Because she needs to feed her child. I had her in the mouth and fucked her hard in a doggy pose and much more and made her lick and suck my balls. She seemed to me more submissive. Obviously she values her work in the agency.

[Tomek123]

I know only one agency in Kiev. This is GIA (KEA is the same). It is significantly overpriced over market average, but girls are good and service is predictable. Do you know another reputable agency in Kiev other than GIA?This is because they are obviously forced to pay a lot of corrupt officials for the opportunity to work. Prostitution is outlawed in Ukraine. So the sum of these bribes as we understand is automatically included in the cost of the girls. If prostitution had become legal then in the same Kharkov it would have been 3-4 agencies such as Gia and maybe even better and cheaper. And even in Poltava or Chernigov. But this is still impossible.

[KY694]

I know only one agency in Kiev. This is GIA (KEA is the same). It is significantly overpriced over market average, but girls are good and service is predictable. Do you know another reputable agency in Kiev other than GIA?Other agencies are unforunately not as "reputable" as GIA. The quality can be more unpredictable I am guessing.

But you can ask the agency if they can send you 3 girls for you to choose 1.

I did that (the 2 other girls were not happy, maybe you can pay them a small tips to stay on girls' good side).

The rate is 2000-2200 UAH per hour.

It may not replace GIA for you, but it is an alternative.

I am not an expert in the agency game tho.

Other bros on this forum are real warriors. Let them tell you more.

[NorskKing]

We all have very different tastes, and it is very personal. And we cannot judge each other for our tastes.

We will never agree on one rank list comparing Kiev, S. America and Germany.I can't agree more on this. I have similar impression on FKK and my taste in girls also similar. People have to experiment more to find out what they like, and since one likes something, does not mean that everyone necessarily will. I have been too Kiev once on business visit. I never try street action. My experience was average (sorry, did not remember to post that report here). I also think that the sex price / GDP ratio is way too much here. But probably I haven't tried it all.

[DramaFree11]

GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.


By the way, I fucked Ksyusha twice. The first time she was very proud and independent and the last time she gave birth to a child.

And if the first time I saw discontent on her face when my sperm accidentally hit her in the eye now she works as an African on the plantations of the southern states. Because she needs to feed her child. I had her in the mouth and fucked her hard in a doggy pose and much more and made her lick and suck my balls. She seemed to me more submissive. Obviously she values her work in the agency.

[Jymondor]

GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.This is marketing trick. GIA does not want one-hour bookings. They want longers stays. Four-hour stay ranged between $87 and $138, which is still high but bearable.

If you switch to the Russian language, you will see prices in UAH. The range between 7500 and 12000 UAH per 4 hrs. Today USD = 27.8 UAH. I guess you could buy it for 1:26. It makes $72 to $115 per hour. This is not too bad if you are OK with the basic service. But CIM will add $38 USD and GREEK $77. Ridiculously overpriced comparable with indy or "hidden" agencies.

Booking GIA you pay huge extra for the predictable girl and predictable service. It doesn't mean "better girl" or "better service." It means no gambling.

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...Booking GIA you pay huge extra for the predictable girl and predictable service. It doesn't mean "better girl" or "better service." It means no gambling.And "better chance" to have her as one of your true girlfriends if chemistry is right. Happened more than once. GIA treats girls as human beings, not as milking machines. It leaves them the right to decide. Good business model, generating enough money for everybody on the provider's side.

Call girls arriving from web portals are closely watched. Often their phones are checked. Freelancing is out of the question most of the time, even if you get their phone number.

[PhotoSlider]

This is marketing trick. GIA does not want one-hour bookings. They want longers stays. Four-hour stay ranged between $87 and $138, which is still high but bearable.

If you switch to the Russian language, you will see prices in UAH. The range between 7500 and 12000 UAH per 4 hrs. Today USD = 27.8 UAH. I guess you could buy it for 1:26. It makes $72 to $115 per hour. This is not too bad if you are OK with the basic service. But CIM will add $38 USD and GREEK $77. Ridiculously overpriced comparable with indy or "hidden" agencies...I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.

[UrbanCowboy22]

Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.

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Arrived in Kiev, people are getting ready to celebrate the New Year. Decided to stop by Darling Disco next to Arena City to check out the local talent before getting some supplies at the Billa Market nearby. Only five girls working, all shapes and sizes available but couldn't find anything to tickle my fancy. A couple of months ago, prices were 1900 & 2300 depending on the girl, now the administrator said prices are 2000 & 3000 depending on the girl. I highly doubt the more expensive girls would give any better service.You said it yourself: Holidays! Supply-demand ratio on the market is not in your favor.

You are also correct in stating that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean significantly better. IMHO, here is what it means: if you take 10 girls, your chances for enjoyment might be somewhat higher, but not proportionally to the cost. 1500 UAH is better than 800 for sure, however 1500,1800, 1900,2000- are all the same. 3000-5000 may have more expensive clothes, manicure + iPhone X. And poor performance, as they may not be interested in repeat customer, - quite often more expensive ones are interested in ditching the trick as quick as possible in order to get to fishing again.

[Coyle]

Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?


I am not OK with paying for extra curriculum activities, not even in the heat of the moment. Prefer to get it complimentary, as the action unfolds, and do not negotiate beforehand, during or after. My philosophy is simple: I do whatever the lady likes on her own terms, certainly within the reasonable limits, aesthetically speaking. Fortunately, at some level, ladies in Kiev like what they are doing, especially if treated nicely.

GIA for 24 hours currently starts at 15000 UAH, that's $22/ hour, plus paying for food, drinks, and optional entertainment, and I'm fine with these extra-expenses. That's better than gambling with random beauties from "relax" portal while finding an escort companion to go to Theater, and then paying 3-4-5 times $70-80/ hour for god-only-knows-who = $200-300 for few hours and maybe 3-4 shots. GIA's progressive scale definitely makes sense to me, but it's not for everybody. I do not do this for mating (as critical as it is), communication is important, and Kiev excels in that department.

Even not the very best GIA girls justified the investment. It is better than Rio for my needs.

I also hear that mamba can be sometimes comparable in quality for significantly less money, and much more time spent during courtship.

Agree. GIA has certain quality assurance.

[PhotoSlider]

Does anybody know why there is only one GIA agency in Kiev?

I think, for our brothers, the selection is too small. Don't you think?

There can be GIA, HIA, IIA, JIA, KIA, LIA. And so on looking at how many women in Kiev are in this sex business?Must be pipeline capacity on consumer side:

On average GIA employs 30 providers. $150-210 range for the first hour, and $500-800 for 24 hours. How many customers are in this market niche? Doubt there's enough to saturate GIA, and generate demand for additional competitors or franchises. Whenever I call, there are waiting and willing GIA ladies. Cash flow dictates the numbers.

Those of us, even with sufficient funds, feeling GIA selection is limited, may always diversify into the wild world of numerous cheaper (or not) agencies, that do not have quality assurance in place.

GIA does have its own challenges, but to a much lesser extent. Its resources are managed for sure.

Another reason for being the only one of a kind must be the nature of protection. The word says it's police or something equally powerful. Perhaps it is convenient to work with single entity, instead of multiple shops.

There must be other closed supply channels for high-rollers at different levels, GIA is tried-and-true and easily available.

[Ross123]

I haven't been to Kiev for a few months, so wasn't aware that Mandarin had closed, probably being somewhat out of town it was never busy, so wasted a journey getting to the place to find out that it had shut down. The adjacent disco club seem to be still open.

Some said that it might open again others said no, my guess is that it will probably remain closed as the place was never that busy.

[KY694]

Happy New year everyone.

I am a newbie and it was my first and only time in Kiev.

First of all, I got a lot of help on ISG, thank you so much. And therefore I am also writing these reports aiming to help newbies like myself.

If you are veterans in Kiev, you may want to skip my posts from here. Newbies please continue.

To start with, I was genuinely confused if Kiev is a heaven or not after reading this forum. There were people who loves Kiev, also some who thinks Kiev does not worth a trip on ISG.

There were posts which say Kiev is heaven, you will get model-type non pro for a cheap price; There were also posts which say Kiev is hopeless, go to Germany where it will be easier.

After my trip, I think the best way to conclude it is that it really depends on what you are looking for, how long will you stay and efforts you will put. Your personal preference determines if Kiev is heaven or a boring place for you.

If you are having a long-term stay in Kiev OR rich OR handsome OR speak Russian OR spending a lot of time working on girls on mamba / in malls / cafes, you significantly increase the quality of your game. Someone who travels to Kiev 10 times, doing 5 hours of work for each trip, will sum up to 50 hours of homework. If you are a one time tourist, of course it is hard to do comparable amount of work. Let's face it, girls prefer handsome / rich / long term / Russian-speaking sponsors. That's normal.

Frequent travellers to Kiev will have all the advantages the rest of us won't have. Please do not expect the same good experience as the veterans on ISG / Kiev forum.

Having said that, these conditions are NOT necessary for a good trip. I went there one time for a short time, I am not rich nor handsome and I had a good time.

Okay, You may not get a 10 for a 1500 UAH. But If you spend time to work on your game, you will have a good time for a fair price. More importantly, you will get semi-pro / non-pro that are rare / impossible / expensive in places like Germany. Let me explain below.

Tinder.

If you are good looking / looking for long term, Tinder may be useful. Tinder is after all a face-based matching service. You may use fake photo of some handsome dude, but I did not do that and won't do that. I got some matches and replies. But they are mostly sharks for money.

Girls may mention things like they need to go to beauty salon, don't have work, only serve you alone as your GF.

I was quoted 30 k -60 k UAH per month from some hotties. And at least 3-4 K UAH / hour if it is not long term.

One of them asked for 4 K plus 1 gram of drug for 2 hours. HAHA.

But in turn, they provide long term sponsorship and agree to only see one guy at a time.

Think about it, if you are a girl looking for sponsor, tinder is going to be more work (swiping instead of waiting for messages) than mamba. If you are a girl on tinder, you are looking for a higher reward than mamba.

A lot of these girls have been to Dubai, get spoiled by Arabic guys who pay them 30 K UAH for a week.

If you are rich or seeking long-term sponsorship, Tinder is a very good platform.

If you are using iphone, you can move your GPS to Kiev using the debug function of xcode. Then you can use tinder before your trip. Yes, it means you need to connect to your mac if you want to use tinder. Take 5 minutes a day to swipe.

My experience: Got some hits, but less useless than mamba, but I did not pay for VIP on tinder.

Badoo.

I got some girls genuinely wanted to make friends. I spent hours flirting, that was fine. But as soon as they see your intention, there are no ways to get them to meet. If you are good looking, have time to spend for flirting and want completely non-pro, badoo is for you. It may be easier and less expensive than Tinder, but girls there may not want a sponsor at all. It was a time wasted for me.

There are some genuine girls there. I hope you don't lie and take advantage of them. I will curse you A Ho.

Take care of your hobby, but always be a gentleman.

You can find their insta profiles on badoo. Sometime you can guess if they are up for paid sex on insta.

My experience: very good for making friends, potentially very good for non-pro. UA Girls are quite friendly. For me, useless in term of mongering.

Mamba.

For me, mamba was a painful learning curve. I wasted too much time on it (addicted to checking out girls' profile) without much reward at the beginning.

Some members say you should do your homework a month before. It is completely not necessary. Most girls ignore you anyway if you are not in Kiev. For non-pro and some semi-pro, yes you probably need longer time of homework. If you search a month in advance, your contacts may not be available anymore by the time you reach Kiev (they delete their profiles quite often also). I think 2-4 days homework before your trip is okay, max 2 weeks before your trip (I think I started checking mamba almost 2 months before my trip, LOL, Gosh, stupid me).

You have to purchase the VIP, it helps A LOT, I did not do that at the beginning and wasted a lot of time. Painful lesson learned. It is important to message girls who has unread mails in their inbox, it is even more important to be able to see if the girls want sponsors or not. Just buy a 30 days VIP until the last day of your trip. The VIP is cheap, like 15 USD.

The girls care a lot if you are in Kiev or not. They get so many messages per day, they don't want to talk to someone who will be there next month. In my first 100 messages, I stupidly mentioned that I am not in Kiev now and I will be there in a few weeks. No one replied me. If you are not ready for a meeting soon, they (semi-pro or pro) are absolutely not interested! Don't let them know at the beginning. Get their phone numbers first before they see yours. Some girls ignored me as soon as they see my phone number (not +380 of course).

First, Go for girls who wants sex or wants a sponsor or wants a 50 years old guys. These girls have the highest response rate and it is very easy to get a few phone numbers. I know, I know, they may be pro with fake photo. But it is good to have a few contacts at hand and get an idea of the price range, so that you are not so desperate. Then expand your search to other girls who look more like semi-pro or non-pro. Other girls will ignore you more often. I like mamba, they give you a bar telling you how often does the girl reply.

If you know Russian, writing in Russian will help a lot.

Don't mention the price until you are pressed for it. Better if the girls tell you what they want.

If they tell you to name a price, you can tell a range (E. G 1500-2000 UAH / hour, 3000 UAH for 2 hours, depends on her look and services).

Girls who are online all the time with high response rate are probably pro. Of course, it is not a rule.

[KY694]

Day 1.

My first date was with a blonde semi pro or non pro. Very very slim. Around 172 cm tall. Look 24-27 years old.

She does not speak any English. We could not communicate well but she did not show frustration. Good attitude.

We started with a lot of cuddling and kissing. I liked it a lot.

Blowjob was only covered. She kissed very well and we kissed a lot.

(Details on the Fetish, skip next few lines if you don't like kissing:

She used her tongue to massage my tongue everywhere. We sucked on each other. She even push her tongue deep into my mouth. She satisfied every single fetish I want in a kiss).

69 with her was very fun. She is a sensitive girl. Every time I hit on the right spot, she has this involuntary contraction of the ass muscle and legs. (just 1-2 contraction as a reflex, not the continuous contraction in orgasms). I have to say it is very fun to watch.

That's one reason why I like semi-pro / non-pro: they are sensitive and they don't need to fake it. Pro in FKK have to take so many guys in a day, either they are not sensitive anymore, or they don't let you touch their sensitive parts.

Sex was good. I kissed her in every positions whenever possible. I love her kisses.

Agreed on 3000 UAH for 2 hours, it was only 1-1. 5 hours. But it was late (3 am). We were both tired. I am fine with the shorter time. And for me the kissing well worths the 3000 UAH.

The problem with this girl is that she does not speak English at all. Whatever I learned about Russian is not good enough to sustain a small talk. It was an kinda-awkward silence while she was waiting for taxi.

Note to myself, it is a big plus if the girl knows English, I am willing to pay more UAH to date someone who knows English.

Day 2.

Chat up with another girl on mamba. She told me she was a semi-pro: university student but part-time escort. From the photo she sent, she may not be a stunner, but she is cute. I also feel like she is going to be a nice girl. More importantly, she wrote in good English and only take 1000 UAH / hour + taxi. Wanting to try someone who speaks good English, I opted for her.

She said she is 19 years old. It matches her baby face and the fact that she is still in Uni. She looks like 17 when she smiles with her baby face.

I got a lot of french kissing from her. Very sympathetic girl.

She was a working girl, I did not go down on her. It was basically kiss + BJ + sex.

She has big boobs, when I sucked on one of the boobs, she took initiative to suck her other boobs.

She worked hard to ride me. I was thinking if she is going to break the bed. LOL. I did not want to stop her and I cum in the condom pretty soon.

Sex was only 20 minutes. I cummed too fast.

Then she said "excuse me" and started violently rubbing her own clit until orgasm a few minutes later. I was stunned. I joined in with kissing and touching while she helped herself.

For the rest of the one hour, we talk about her life, university, dorm life with other girls, her ex, problems for girls in Ukraine.

I was touching her naked body the whole time. It was a good decision to book someone who speaks English.

It was a nice hour and I paid her tips rounding up 1300 or 1400 UAH in total.

After that, she proposed to walk with me. That was very cute and nice of her to offer that. We ended up walking around Kiev for almost an hour, she showed me the local shops, her favourite restaurants and whatever came to her mind. No touching or holding hand whatsoever during the walk. Just respectful friends. It was a good evening.

Day 3.

I decided to use the agency service. Just to try different things.

I got a number before my trip. But you can also find different numbers on websites.

http://relaxkiev.com/eng/

http://intimportal.net

Go for the numbers which are used by multiple girls, they are agencies. You can text them all on viber and asked them to send you photos. Multiple different numbers may belong to the same agencies, but only one number will send you photo then. Just ask for the photo first, no need to commit for a booking at this stage.

The dispatcher I asked is helpful and nice. Good service.

You will get photo from the dispatcher, but faces are not shown. 2200 UAH for an hour. Prices vary depending on the agencies, but I heard that 2200 UAH girl are basically the same as 2000 UAH. Small price difference does not guarantee better quality.

I asked for 3 girls for me to choose 1. Turned out they thought there were 2 men and we would take 2 out of 3 or something.

When I said I only want 1, at first they were confused and then annoyed.

The dispatcher probably woke them up at 2 am and made them get ready for me.

In hindsight, I should have given some tips to the girls I sent back. The girl I picked was upset because I made her friends unhappy. It is better to stay at girls' good side.

Out of the 3, only one of them I found cute (the one I picked) 7-8/10, the other 2 were fairly average 5/10, not worth 2200 UAH.

I like her body. No huge boobs, I am not interested in huge boobs anyway. But she has a tight body and natural standing boobs. Slim and nice butt. Probably 21-25 years old.

No French kissing, no pussy-eating, no fingering, basically blowjob and fuck only. I did not ask for deep throat or anal. I was not interested, but I imagine the answer will be no also.

She started with a covered blowjob. I wanted to kiss her body first, but she does not speak any English, so I gave up arguing with her.

Turned out the blowjob was great. In FKK, I would count myself lucky to get a 5 minute BJ continuously. Here she gave me an at-least 10 minutes BJ, maybe even much longer.

She closed her eye when we were in missionary style. (I don't feel like staring if she sees me) I had the luxury to stare at her flawless cute face for the whole time. It was very enjoyable.

Compared to the two girls before, she is obviously a professional. She grind her pussy on me when we fucked, it was so hot. She rode me well and she can also do this trick of pussy muscle contraction. She was good, I was hard but I could not cum. In the last 15 minutes, I was banging her in doggie style. I sweated so much (it is winter, imagine how hard I worked) that her back is complete wet from my sweat. In FKK, the girl will either push you away if you cannot cum after a long time, or complain about it, or at least give you a bitchy face. To be honest, 30 minutes of non-stop hard pounding, it is fair for the girl to complain that she is tired. But with this girl, she did not show the slightest dismay. I appreciate the professionalism there.

In term of skills, I cannot complain much. Yet, personally, I found myself not so much into pro girls. After this night, it was clear to me that I should focus on mamba and tinder.

[KY694]

Day 4.

At this point, I have accumulated enough contacts on mamba for me to meet a different girl for a week.

But I still missed the kissing from the blonde girl on the first day.

I text her again to arrange a 1 hour meeting (1700 UAH, taxi included).

It was again great as before.

I always fancy having a threesome with 2 sisters. I almost made that fantasy into reality in Kiev.

I chatted up with a girl on mamba, we did not manage to meet on the first 2 days of my trip due to busy schedule.

Afterward, she left Kiev to go home for new year. But then she mentioned she has friends who are sisters, and they are willing to meet for 3500 UAH (total). She sent me some photos, I immediately jumped on it and said yes. These are chances one cannot ask for. Either a pro or mamba, how often do they offer their sister for a threesome? (I found it extremely rude to ask a girl if she can bring her sister for paid sex). I tried very hard to arrange a meeting. Unfortunately, the sisters and I were both so busy, we never managed to meet.

Eventually the sisters also left Kiev for New Year before I can meet them.

Shitty luck. Kiev is really a place where dreams could come true.

Day 5-6.

It was the highlight of my trip.

Via connections of a friend's friend, I met a 19 years old non pro girl. She is completely my type: blue eye, small and cute. She is also skinny, no extra fat found on her waist.

I kept her for 2 days. And I was in heaven (she is definitely an angel in heaven with angelic face and cute body). Absolutely best 2 days in my mongering life (OK, sound dramatic, but tbh, I don't monger a lot, so, no comparison LOL).

I was so in love with her, I lost my cool. That was not good. As discussed a lot on this forum, Ukrainian women expect the men to be the master and in control. I was obviously losing myself a bit too much in front of her.

It was an ultimate GFE. We spent the whole day together. We walked through shopping malls, night market and main street in Kiev, holding hand all the time like a couple. Sometime she is tired from walking, but she never showed me any bitchy face. She is not spoiled like most of the pro, but is usually cheerful and bright. If I would know Russian better or she know English better, I am sure we will talk so much.

With her, I had the best GF sex in my life. She does not know all these skills about riding, BJ or whatever, but she is not spoiled and very sensitive. That's what I love about non-pro girls. I loved to admire her flawless skin, kiss her neck, run my fingers lightly from her neck to her belly. Every slight touch made her twist her body. I also loved to eat her pussy, without worrying that she may have some virus or something. Needless to say, she moaned and twisted while being eaten. I pinned her down gently with my arms and enjoyed the great meals. We would kiss deeply and passionately after cunnilingus before I went into her. Sex lasted very long, it must be close to an hour if not more, I just don't want it to end at all. During sex, I kept admiring her face and body under me and I would forget to cum. If she lets me, I would go on much longer After an hour, she begged me to stop, saying that she had orgasms already and cannot take it anymore. She was obviously tired, and her cheeks turn completely red. That blush on her white skin is so cute and so priceless.

For privacy reasons, details about this girl, price, name etc will not be given, don't bother to ask. I can only say that she absolutely stole my heart.

Last day.

My angel left me to go back to her family. Her mom kept calling everyday and is understandably worried.

After those 2 days, I felt uneasy being alone in the empty apartment. In desperation, I texted everyone online on mamba LOL.

I chatted up with a girl (she was not asking for sponsor or sex on her profile) for 2 hours. After a while, she slightly hinted that she needs money for the new year. I got quite interested, she is obviously not a pro (no pro will not talk to you about random things in life for 2 hours). I invited her for a late dinner in the city, paid for her taxi, food and a very small tips to her for her time. She was fun to chat with and a cute blonde girl. She looks 22-24 years old, but she is in fact barely 19 (birthday soon, I saw her ID). She is tall, maybe that's why she looks more mature. We spent like 2 hours in the restaurant, talking about her hometown, youtube channel and random stuffs. Her English was extremely good and she is highly educated. So many Ukrainian girls are pretty, smart and educated, they would be stars if they were not born in Ukraine. I do feel bad for them. She mentioned her rent, unexpected expenditure in recently months and she needs money. I kept quiet during dinner, but offered her to come to my place for 4000 UAH. I did not mention sex, but I guess it was obvious. She refused, citing she was tired and wanted to go home. I was really disappointed and I am at this moment still not sure what she was looking for. Maybe she does not like me, but then she still chatted with me afterward and sent me photos. Maybe she was not ready for this, but what's the point to mention her financial problem? To be honest, I do not regret the money I spent at all. It was a nice dinner and I enjoyed her company a lot. Yet, I do regret the time I spent. Time in Kiev is as valuable as gold. In hindsight, I should have invited her to my place right at the beginning, just for a drink. There might be less psychological barrier for her to stay afterward. It was my last day, I would not have time to work on her. It was probably my mistake to invite her to a restaurant.

When I reached my place, it was already 2 am. I asked a random pro girl on mamba to come for an hour. 2000 UAH. She was almost sleeping already, very nice of her to get ready and came. She was nice and did whatever I asked for. But after the past 2 days, nothing seems interesting anymore. I finished in 20 minutes and sent her off.

Conclusion.

All in all, I really like Ukrainian girls. Not only for sex. I wasted a lot of time on badoo and tinder also, I ended up chatting with a lot of girls who did not want to meet for sex. Yet, they are still friendly and interested in talking to you. In US, where do you find cute girls who are interested in talking to guys a decade older than them, and not even handsome or sth? If you are not Turkish or Arab, you may also find Ukrainian girls very approachable. If you are Arabic and get offended, you should ask what your country man are doing to these Ukrainian girls to make you a bad name. I have heard stories from multiple girls, I cannot believe that they are all fake.

I only meet mostly 1 girl a day and I like to repeat girls when I like them. Turned out, I have more girls I want to meet on mamba than time allows me to.

And I have not even tried pub, street actions or massage girls! I feel like for very-slow people like me, even 1 month in Kiev would not be enough time. If you are into girls who have pro skills or maybe great diversity of girls per day, my experience is not applicable to you.

Whether Kiev will be a good mongering place for you or not, primarily depends on your personal interest (good if you are very into semi-pro white girl, may not worth flying all the way to Kiev if you just want the pro). Then it also depends how much time you want to invest (you can spend more time sending messages on mamba than the real sex). Last and maybe the least, it comes to the duration of your stay, money you can spare and your look and interpersonal skills (You make yourself a more attractive sponsor if you stay long and have more $ to invest, you get more hits on tinder if you look good.). Luck definitely plays a big role also. Sex industry is not organised like in Germany or S. America, results are relatively unpredictable in Kiev from the money and time you invest. You will need some luck for a gem.

Don't be surprised if someone love Kiev and you hate it, or vice versa. It is a personal and unique experience for different person.

For me, Kiev was a heaven. I was in love with the city and the people, it breaks my heart that I had to leave.

[KY694]

Thanks so much for those of you who helped me and answered my questions here.

I may stay away from ISG for a while, especially the Kiev forum, to get back to normal life.

Happy New Year again.

I wish you guys all the success in Kiev!




Conclusion.

All in all, I really like Ukrainian girls. Not only for sex. I wasted a lot of time on badoo and tinder also, I ended up chatting with a lot of girls who did not want to meet for sex. Yet, they are still friendly and interested in talking to you. In US, where do you find cute girls who are interested in talking to guys a decade older than them, and not even handsome or sth? If you are not Turkish or Arab, you may also find Ukrainian girls very approachable. If you are Arabic and get offended, you should ask what your country man are doing to these Ukrainian girls to make you a bad name. I have heard stories from multiple girls, I cannot believe that they are all fake.

I only meet mostly 1 girl a day and I like to repeat girls when I like them. Turned out, I have more girls I want to meet on mamba than time allows me to.

And I have not even tried pub, street actions or massage girls! I feel like for very-slow people like me, even 1 month in Kiev would not be enough time. If you are into girls who have pro skills or maybe great diversity of girls per day, my experience is not applicable to you..

[RocketMan0010]

Thanks so much for those of you who helped me and answered my questions here.

I may stay away from ISG for a while, especially the Kiev forum, to get back to normal life.

Happy New Year again.

I wish you guys all the success in Kiev!You did Kiev the right way, and reaped your just rewards. Well done.

[Stevie69]

You are clearly being exploited. Any sort of full time job in Sumy for any girl with no marketable skills would never pay even $300 USD. Why are you even negotiating in a foreign currency? She should be happy to hang out with you for a day, eat at a nice restaurant, and willing to repay you in the only way she can. Well, unless you are old fat and ugly, of course, in which case you should pay her no more than 500 UAH per session.


I'm a little puzzled. I found this young talent. I'm looking for a permanent sponsor. Her conditions are 1,000 dollars a month and, if possible, presents and elements of secular life or she wants $ 200 a day and a night together. She lives in the city of Sumy. 18 years old, student girl. It is so not on time. I have big expenses now related to my ex-wife and payments for the child. (This stupid woman (ex-wife) wants to make me a beggar) .

She young lady can leave Sumy but not for long because she is studying at the university. But this is generally not very much. (It should be remembered that this girl Ksusha from Gia costs 1 day: 1200 $USD of sex).

http://gia.la/girl/ksusha4.

[Stevie69]

Actually, I noticed a few starting at 4500 UAH (only 160 USD, as of today). I also think that the are very nice, well, maybe "average" for Kiev. The advantage is that unlike other web sites, in GIA you get the actual girl in the photos. By the way, did anyone try out Svetlana? Yes, I know she is old, but I would like to have a sexy older blonde, if the service is good and she still looks as good as her photos.


GIA, I was looking at prices. Prices now range from $200-300, for one hour. That is insane price to have sex with a average girl. You add in Travel Expenses, then you run into crazy prices. Be careful.

[Stevie69]

Thank you, that is what experience has taught me too. My best experiences have been in the 1000 to 2000 UAH range. Anyone who charges 5000 UAH only has to work 2 hours per month, so it is unlikely that they will even try to do a good job. By the way, relating to other posts about Gia, agency girls give about half to the house, which should give you a guide to the real price for independents.


You said it yourself: Holidays! Supply-demand ratio on the market is not in your favor.

You are also correct in stating that more expensive doesn't necessarily mean significantly better. IMHO, here is what it means: if you take 10 girls, your chances for enjoyment might be somewhat higher, but not proportionally to the cost. 1500 UAH is better than 800 for sure, however 1500,1800, 1900,2000- are all the same. 3000-5000 may have more expensive clothes, manicure + iPhone X. And poor performance, as they may not be interested in repeat customer, - quite often more expensive ones are interested in ditching the trick as quick as possible in order to get to fishing again.

[PhotoSlider]

...2200 UAH for an hour. Prices vary depending on the agencies, but I heard that 2200 UAH girl are basically the same as 2000 UAH. Small price difference does not guarantee better quality.

I asked for 3 girls for me to choose 1. Turned out they thought there were 2 men and we would take 2 out of 3 or something.

When I said I only want 1, at first they were confused and then annoyed.

The dispatcher probably woke them up at 2 am and made them get ready for me.

In hindsight, I should have given some tips to the girls I sent back. The girl I picked was upset because I made her friends unhappy. It is better to stay at girls' good side.

Out of the 3, only one of them I found cute (the one I picked) 7-8/10, the other 2 were fairly average 5/10, not worth 2200 UAH...Quality of 2200 is more or less the same as 1500-1900 UAH. 2200 is either Holidays rate hike, or surcharge for English-speaking customer. Consolidating portal dispatchers always probe and test. How much can you pay on the average? - they negotiate with you, and with their business partners / suppliers.

Give 100 UAH taxi money to those departing. That's it- no tips, nothing else. You don't give tips in the grocery store for looking at the milk and honey, delivered in the hope someone will buy. Same here. Warn the dispatcher beforehand, that you are the only one at your residence, and you need 2 or 3 to choose from. Better stay on a good side of dispatchers. There are always new call girls. Be respectful and polite, but nothing beyond that.

Awesome report! IMHO should be placed into reports of distinction. What a great trip indeed!

[Gopnik]

After a return to North America for a few months, I'm heading back to Kiev in the next week to live and work for a few years once again. Looking froward to posting regularly on here again. Have some good contacts I'm still in touch with and some new girls I found online and have been chatting with on viber. Looking forward to some university tail when I return.

By the way, any Americans heading to Kiev, especially from the southern USA / Virginia / Pennsylvania let me know. Send me a PM if you are. Willing to share a contact for a favour. I know a few girls completely off the board.

Happy New Year all!

[Misterxxx]

You are clearly being exploited. Any sort of full time job in Sumy for any girl with no marketable skills would never pay even $300 USD. Why are you even negotiating in a foreign currency? She should be happy to hang out with you for a day, eat at a nice restaurant, and willing to repay you in the only way she can. Well, unless you are old fat and ugly, of course, in which case you should pay her no more than 500 UAH per session.The young brother of my good friend is selling "lindwein" in the streets of Lviv. No "A" location on the Christmas market, more be or see, but in the center. It's not his own business, he is not stealing any money. But: he has 500 UAH per day "tips" and 200 UAH wage. That's 700 UAH per day /25 days in a month. 600 Dollars per month during the winter. It's a very, very simple job. The conclusion: Don't trust the statistics.

[DramaFree11]

Nice report, I have said the same thing many times and given examples. The first thing to remember in Kiev is 99% of the people lie, especially the girls, it is just part of life there. Secondly, almost none of the girls dealing with foreign guys are living off $200 a month, just look at there lifestyle. Sorry it is just not true and they do not have to have sex to make money, there are plenty of opportunities for those that are willing to work. I am not saying life is easy in Kiev, by no means, but there is work.

There are several older people in Ukraine this is there salary, but many of them had choices earlier in there lives to improve there lifestyle and made different choices.

Good luck.


The young brother of my good friend is selling "lindwein" in the streets of Lviv. No "A" location on the Christmas market, more be or see, but in the center. It's not his own business, he is not stealing any money. But: he has 500 UAH per day "tips" and 200 UAH wage. That's 700 UAH per day /25 days in a month. 600 Dollars per month during the winter. It's a very, very simple job. The conclusion: Don't trust the statistics.

[Riina]

The young brother of my good friend is selling "lindwein" in the streets of Lviv. No "A" location on the Christmas market, more be or see, but in the center. It's not his own business, he is not stealing any money. But: he has 500 UAH per day "tips" and 200 UAH wage. That's 700 UAH per day /25 days in a month. 600 Dollars per month during the winter. It's a very, very simple job. The conclusion: Don't trust the statistics.This may be true of an enterprising young man, but most girls in Ukraine just don't want to work. We travel to Ukraine knowing we can attract girls because of the economic reality.

I like to look at it this way. If I moved to Ukraine and searched for employment, the kind of job I would likely find would be low pay and meaningless. I'd be better off just trying to enjoy life. The girls pretty much have the same attitude.

[Riina]

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I know this is off topic, but if you happen to be in Chicago, I can point you towards paradise. Wednesday my Uki pimp posted an ad for a new girl Helen. I inquired and she said the girl was Asian from Russia. I was very skeptical. Once I hear Russian that usually means an almost forty skank. Here's the thing, I've been going out to my local euro club regularly and I've been noticing a distinctive minority of Asians. But not typical Asians, these guys had this very strong presence to them that my best guess was they were Russians. Their girls were very feminine and well dressed. So I figured maybe their was a connection with this new girl that was Russian Asian. The door opens and geez almighty, she is a student two weeks arrived and completely uncorrupted. The moment of discovery was pure bliss before anything even happened. Long story short, I'm 69'ing a student never before in the biz and that's the holy grail of mongering for me. You could go to Rio every day for three months and never find it. You can read my posts on Helen at USA Sex Guide Chicago.

[PhotoSlider]

This may be true of an enterprising young man, but most girls in Ukraine just don't want to work. We travel to Ukraine knowing we can attract girls because of the economic reality.

I like to look at it this way. If I moved to Ukraine and searched for employment, the kind of job I would likely find would be low pay and meaningless. I'd be better off just trying to enjoy life. The girls pretty much have the same attitude.The perfect way to sum it up!

I also see that over time some girls noticeably develop mentally (which is important to me somehow), while some get stuck in constant Instagram selfies narcissism phase, expecting gifts and trips, worshiping and adoration, not realizing that they only have so many years before newly arriving female troops sweep them away into the abyss of irrelevance.

Service industry is the prime occupation for girls in Kiev. Prospective is not so shiny if no reliable long term sponsor found in time, hence anything goes!

Do 99% of them lie? Well. Do we always tell them the truth? It's a game, and to my taste. Very enjoyable one.

The objective for us is to find that 1% that sincerely believes in miracles, or at least those that are trained by their moms, aunts and sisters to act in a believable manner.

[DramaFree11]

Great point, most Ukraine girls have no desire to work. This does not matter is you are just looking short term, but if you are looking long term or looking at sponsoring a girl this is a big factor. This is just not talked about much on the site and I think is very important.


This may be true of an enterprising young man, but most girls in Ukraine just don't want to work. We travel to Ukraine knowing we can attract girls because of the economic reality.

I like to look at it this way. If I moved to Ukraine and searched for employment, the kind of job I would likely find would be low pay and meaningless. I'd be better off just trying to enjoy life. The girls pretty much have the same attitude.

[PhotoSlider]

...most Ukraine girls have no desire to work. This does not matter is you are just looking short term, but if you are looking long term or looking at sponsoring a girl this is a big factor. This is just not talked about much on the site and I think is very important.Providing for mongers is a full-time job and rather challenging one. Not sure what percentage of Kiev girls in 18-28 yo bracket are involved. And frankly speaking who cares, as long as there's sufficient supply of fresh ones 24 x 7 x 365.

More important question: what percentage of mongers want a long term relationship, which is the same as sponsoring? Perhaps under 5-10%.

First time visitors usually don't get locked up with one girl, such is our nature. Insufficient diversification of invested funds bears a risk of failure. Besides, staying together over 3-5-7 days gets long in the teeth, no matter how exceptional she is.

Visiting "repeat offenders" either establish over time a contacts base for stability, or keep a revolving door searching for new ones. I do both.

Local Kiev men with sufficient funds and "palatable" appearance do not experience any difficulty, and typically have a few readily available providers.

Girls do the fishing and hunting complimentary to ours.

They pretend they are dedicated, as long as there's no one providing better life style. Period.

Girls multitask, virtually or physically. That's actually great for us, as it makes enough girls available for our sampling. Yes, their multitasking means we share with somebody. I know distinguished gentlemen on this Forum (without being formally introduced), that had certain same ladies as I did. Does it bother me? Hell, no! At the same time, in the moment of passion, do I believe that the lady in my hands is mine and only mine? Best ones leave no doubt. Perhaps they even believe it themselves, for few minutes after their respective orgasms anyway. Hehehe.

What is the precise definition of 99% lying? Could be semantics, - difference of expressed opinions, while agreeing in principle.

Not showing up for a date at the last minute? We do the same.

Not performing in bed up to our demands (after having more than few customers this very night.)? Sorry to admit, it is difficult for me to come for the 5th time in 4 hours, even with the best looking 3rd girl. It doesn't hurt my ego, and being a purist, I don't use Viagra-like substances.

Not being faithful? Being promiscuous? Why expect that from girls in Kiev?

What is lying?

I personally think Kiev girls are mostly honest in demonstrating their promiscuity and willingness to partake in adventures. Makes it so easy to interact!

Where else could I hit on 21-23 yo beauties one after another while being at the concert and restaurant with my local long-term girlfriend, who I know since she was 21? GF did her best trying not laugh out loud while I spoon fed our newly found acquaintance / Lady A, then helped Lady A in the shower, and took her to my bedroom past 4 in the morning. And next day that very LT girlfriend deep-french-kissed me with continuation in the most sincere way. I don't think we lied to each other. That is precisely why she is my LT GF, - because I can trust her, and admire her elegance and smarts. BTW, she is not bi-. She enjoys her own life, and wants to see me happy. Ultimate freedom.

Perhaps my requirements are strict, yet different.

[C Jack Sparrow]

Nice post, spot on. I think Germany is a better bang for the buck, especially if you add in Travel Expenses. Kiev is a long term game, but I just do not think it is worth the money and energy any more. I just got back from a successful trip to Moscow. Amazing experience hot girls every where, unlike Ukraine, were they are just not accessible or not even in the country currently and I do not see this changing anytime soon, if ever. Maybe if you are working Ukraine or going to school, but there is just not that many hot girls running around like there was 5-7 years ago.

I saw more hot girls in Moscow in 1 day, then I probably would see in month or 2 in Kiev, it was crazy good. Also prices were comparable, Moscow is slightly more expensive, but not bad at all. Another thing I loved about Moscow there where very few Sex Tourist,(T. Guys), because of Visa Requirements. The money spent on the Visa was well worth it.

For the guys that are into girls going to your apartment or hotel, this is not any issue in Moscow, both Escorts and Normal girls not issue. There was no clock watching, it was a great trip.https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=Ukraine&city2=Kiev&displayCurrency=USD

Average salary is 1000 dollars in Moscow, 300 dollars in Kiev.

It also fits into GNP / capita and dsitribution of income.

In Ukraine you take a flight from Odessa to Kiev for 100 dollars or less, while going from a interesting city to another in Russia is very much more expensive of course of the distances. A medium is maybe 3 times more for a domestic flight.

Russia is very wealthy compared to Ukraine, 30.000 USD / capita vs. Ukraine has less 1/3 of that.

As a contributor noted, Ukraine is maybe the poorest country in Europe, even Albania has better economy and growth.

Ukraine have lost the toursit haven Crimea and the rental for 25 years Russia was supposed to pay for the coming 15 years, and all the luxury tourists from those cruises filled with rich retired people that spend masive amounts on tourist junk. Equally important is that the Donbass region, with is hugh contribution to GNP via it's heavy and international competetive industrial complex.

Look at Russiancupid and Ukraindate. On Russiancupid there are more Ukraine girls than on Ukrainedate. And real. Ukrainedate has a lot more of agencies, hackers and simple tricks; 88% of the girls that contact me live in the "war zone", I. E. I have to send a lot of money to her to come to Kiev and stay at hotel, even before the party begins. The tricks are so stupid. Starts always with a long love-letter and she is already in love with me, even though she have not seeen my pictures.

Based on this; yes, many Ukraine ladies has left for more discreet and profitable places, but so has the Russian beauties, since in their 18-27 they seldom have a good salary. They have a lot of money- if she belongs to the top-ten richest families, otherwise she is doomed to work many hours for little Rubels, and maybe a little baby added to that and never ending University studies.

But Your statement; I see more babes in Moscow in one day than I do in 2 months in Kiev is to be considered. It might be just like that! But since they and Belarus girls looks pretty the same, with the Ukraine ladies in top, due to their exceptional long and straight legs, seems to a majority have such legs.

Well. Moscow has a rich center of 2 of 12 million persons, just like Buenos Aires. In Kiev, who is a dwarf in comparison, that segregation of people does not exist. Rich meet poor and vice versa, while Moscow is several worlds in one.

Remeber Evita and the "LOS descamisetados", men without shirts. 75% of the population where lot allowed to enter the "real Buenos Aires". When the finally did, thanks to "Evita" in mass-demostrations, she won the precidency for Juan Peron. Same thing here. Poor moscowitos are ashamed of themselves and aviod being mocked the middle and upper-classes that have a standard of living higher than many Western World ciites, and LOVE to show off! Putin's power politics, though based on 14% of the US economy, just love to humiliate weak, ugly, old people.

[Misterxxx]

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Russia&city1=Moscow&country2=Ukraine&city2=Kiev&displayCurrency=USD
Average salary is 1000 dollars in Moscow, 300 dollars in Kiev.
It also fits into GNP / capita and dsitribution of income.
Once again: Statistics about the ukraine are not correct. Don't trust them.

Ukrainian people don't love to pay any tax. Most of the small shops in every city, even the small hot-dog places are not legal. They work without any legal papers. And if you rent an apartment. As long as you don't use the big companies. You can be sure, this business is illegal, too. People who have a normal job love to make money with another second or third illegal job. Or they simply steal things from their official job and make some "business". Ukrainian people are very creative if they want to make some money. Are all these illegal things included in the statistics? Certainly not. You do not believe that everything is going on illegally in Ukraine? Then you do not know the true ukraine.

[DramaFree11]

Well said, some people just do not want to believe that is is possible to make money Kiev, with a little hard work, but most choose a different path and do not want to work hard.


Once again: Statistics about the ukraine are not correct. Don't trust them.

Ukrainian people don't love to pay any tax. Most of the small shops in every city, even the small hot-dog places are not legal. They work without any legal papers. And if you rent an apartment. As long as you don't use the big companies. You can be sure, this business is illegal, too. People who have a normal job love to make money with another second or third illegal job. Or they simply steal things from their official job and make some "business". Ukrainian people are very creative if they want to make some money. Are all these illegal things included in the statistics? Certainly not. You do not believe that everything is going on illegally in Ukraine? Then you do not know the true ukraine.

[CastOnThis]

Well said, some people just do not want to believe that is is possible to make money Kiev, with a little hard work, but most choose a different path and do not want to work hard.For some reason, this reminds when I was in Tao-a strip club in Arena City-when it was crowded. The manager made a line-up every ten minutes happen. And none of the men were buying any dances nor drinks for the girls. Why? Because the women were very plain for what a strip club should have. Where are all the beautiful women that use to frequently be strippers? Did attractive women in Ukraine just die off? It is both sad and hilarious.

[DramaFree11]

Long gone, guys just do not want to except the truth. There are still girls there, but you need to meet them on the Street, at Work, or School, but even then difficult.


For some reason, this reminds when I was in Tao-a strip club in Arena City-when it was crowded. The manager made a line-up every ten minutes happen. And none of the men were buying any dances nor drinks for the girls. Why? Because the women were very plain for what a strip club should have. Where are all the beautiful women that use to frequently be strippers? Did attractive women in Ukraine just die off? It is both sad and hilarious.

[Riina]

For some reason, this reminds when I was in Tao-a strip club in Arena City-when it was crowded. The manager made a line-up every ten minutes happen. And none of the men were buying any dances nor drinks for the girls. Why? Because the women were very plain for what a strip club should have. Where are all the beautiful women that use to frequently be strippers? Did attractive women in Ukraine just die off? It is both sad and hilarious.Technology and greater opportunity to move abroad really messed up the strip club scene. If a girl needs some cash and dick nowadays, she just jumps on Tinder.

[DramaFree11]

Agree, but many have left for better opportunities, in other countries. Sorry, just the truth.


Technology and greater opportunity to move abroad really messed up the strip club scene. If a girl needs some cash and dick nowadays, she just jumps on Tinder.

[Bill1963]

Long gone, guys just do not want to except the truth. There are still girls there, but you need to meet them on the Street, at Work, or School, but even then difficult.This is great if you have game.

I have perfected my skills and can pick up women in Canada.

I currently have 2 sugarbabies here that are 18 and 21 yrs old.

I get laid all the time and give very little allowance and just do things together like boyfriend girlfriend.

Both girls are smoking hot hard bodies and very nice looking.

I am 50 (but look 40 or under) and when in Ukraine a few years ago had 19 to 25 yr old women flirting with me.

Look good for you age, work out, and most important learn how to talk with women.

I am planning in possibly buying a condo in Kiev.

And spending 6 months a year there.

Looking forward to approaching women everywhere to look for dates.

I use to fuck a lot of escorts but the sex with sugarbabies is 10 times better.

LOL there is no better feeling than barebacking a 18 yr old college girl with perfect hard body and nice super firm see tits.

All I do is pay half her rent 400, help her with food, and buy her books and 2 nights a week we go out for dinner movies and she sleeps over riding me 3 or 4 times a night.

I included a pic my 18 yr old sugar baby.

Bottom line is if you try to look good, work out, dress well.

Learn how to flirt and make the ladies laugh, you can bang hotties anywhere.

[MagicSheep74]

Agree, but many have left for better opportunities, in other countries. Sorry, just the truth.Completely correct, I have been chatting for several months with many Ukrainian girls who us the travel girls site. Some of them have shown me the actual offers that they get on a daily basis from multiple man. 5 star hotel in Paris for weekend, 2 days = 2000 euro given to them. She is a good looking girl, not model material, but attractive. The going rate for her better looking friend is 10000 euro a week in Dubai. Although she is gorgeous.

Many men from certain cultures have a complete obsession with Ukranian and Russian women, and in-turn through instgram and travel sites are offering them nonsense money.

I went to Kiev to see what the obsession was all about, and I did not find it. Its a carefully planned illusion due to the fact we are inundated with photoshop pictures everywhere we look, yes the women are tall, yes they wear high heel everywhere, yes, they spend hours getting ready, yes they are skinny, yes they have high cheek bones. These are the positives.

The negatives. They don't speak English, they don't like foreigners, unless you are giving them piles of money, the lie continually, the scam frequently, there personality are poor, the don't look nearly as good when the make-up comes off, they are not to tall when the high heels come off, the very good looking one's are not available to you and me.

So in summary. If you are happy to spend $1000 flight, $400 Hotel, $200 drinks, $300 to fuck and average stripper from Rio. Total $2000 with taxi to fuck a 7/10 stripper, have a great time.

[PhotoSlider]

Technology and greater opportunity to move abroad really messed up the strip club scene. If a girl needs some cash and dick nowadays, she just jumps on Tinder.Must be the main reason why my favorite Kiev cabaret "Mandarin" has closed. Didn't generate sufficient revenue.

Visited "Scarlett" in November- boring! Girls go through the motions, showing no interest, no passion, visitors concentrate on eating their sushi without paying much attention to action on stage.

Arena doesn't attract either. OK for people watching, otherwise waste of time.

In the past I had lots of fun attending with GF a night show at "Mandarin". There were educated singers performing in front of our table, working hard for tips. Corps de ballet on stage was amazingly entertaining. We stayed for few hours, discussing girls, GF helped to consume 3 bottles of champagne between the two of us, and occasionally went to the stage tipping the most gorgeous ones.

Visited "Rio" this November too, had a great long chat with 19 yo tall beauty (she was new, popular, sweet smile, and quit Rio soon after our encounter). Location means a lot, and going to "Rio" is easy, especially while too tired or drunk to continue meaningful hunting. Ordering take-out from Rio has been sufficiently discussed at this Forum. It's a gamble. I ordered once, she was a newbie from a small village. Delicious!

Is Kiev the same, as it was 10 years ago? 2 years ago? No. Neither is Rio-de-Janeiro, Brazil. There's no "HELP" Disco in there anymore in RJD, Brazil. There's no River Palace in Kiev. Nothing is the same. That's part of beauty. I don't want FKK / McDonald's drive through service. I like variety.

Is Kiev easy? Depends on requirements. For some FKK is easy. For some Tijuana. It's all relative. Obtaining a company of great looking elegant intelligent lady according to my preferences is easiest in Kiev. Some say Moscow. Girls in Moscow might be more accommodating (subjective), yet IMHO overall recently there's more animosity within the Russian society, it seems to have changed to more xenophobic attitude. I like friendly cosmopolitan respectful atmosphere in Kiev much better.

Kiev is definitely more affordable, than Moscow. But there's more money flow in Moscow. I personally know quite a few Ukrainian ladies recently making trips to Moscow for profit.

We can decide for ourselves where to enjoy next time. There are still happy visitors returning from Kiev, despite the negative marketing. I do not see a viable alternative. Latin and Central America are the only ones remotely worth considering, especially for Spanish or Brazilian-Portuguese speaking gentlemen.

[AntonySun1996]

In many apartments I have visited, the female managers are actually much hotter then the working girls there, however they usually do not offer sex service. Any ideas about how to bed them?

[TeFab456]

Must be the main reason why my favorite Kiev cabaret "Mandarin" has closed. Didn't generate sufficient revenue.

Visited "Scarlett" in November- boring! Girls go through the motions, showing no interest, no passion, visitors concentrate on eating their sushi without paying much attention to action on stage.

Arena doesn't attract either. OK for people watching, otherwise waste of time.

In the past I had lots of fun attending with GF a night show at "Mandarin". There were educated singers performing in front of our table, working hard for tips. Corps de ballet on stage was amazingly entertaining. We stayed for few hours, discussing girls, GF helped to consume 3 bottles of champagne between the two of us, and occasionally went to the stage tipping the most gorgeous ones.

Visited "Rio" this November too, had a great long chat with 19 yo tall beauty (she was new, popular, sweet smile, and quit Rio soon after our encounter). Location means a lot, and going to "Rio" is easy, especially while too tired or drunk to continue meaningful hunting. Ordering take-out from Rio has been sufficiently discussed at this Forum. It's a gamble. I ordered once, she was a newbie from a small village. Delicious!

Is Kiev the same, as it was 10 years ago? 2 years ago? No. Neither is Rio-de-Janeiro, Brazil. There's no "HELP" Disco in there anymore in RJD, Brazil. There's no River Palace in Kiev. Nothing is the same. That's part of beauty. I don't want FKK / McDonald's drive through service. I like variety.

Is Kiev easy? Depends on requirements. For some FKK is easy. For some Tijuana. It's all relative. Obtaining a company of great looking elegant intelligent lady according to my preferences is easiest in Kiev. Some say Moscow. Girls in Moscow might be more accommodating (subjective), yet IMHO overall recently there's more animosity within the Russian society, it seems to have changed to more xenophobic attitude. I like friendly cosmopolitan respectful atmosphere in Kiev much better.

Kiev is definitely more affordable, than Moscow. But there's more money flow in Moscow. I personally know quite a few Ukrainian ladies recently making trips to Moscow for profit.

We can decide for ourselves where to enjoy next time. There are still happy visitors returning from Kiev, despite the negative marketing. I do not see a viable alternative. Latin and Central America are the only ones remotely worth considering, especially for Spanish or Brazilian-Portuguese speaking gentlemen.When I was a young student in Berlin there were people who studied German literature or American literature or any such (some were studying Finno-Hungarian literature). And then there were some who studied AVL (basically something like Literature in general and in global comparison). This entry is truly AVL. Great insight and observation, and so different from all the cheap lamenting about Kyiv, which is still awesome.

[DramaFree11]

Best Post ever. I will take it one step further maybe 6/10, if you are lucky, could even be worse.

Also, if you are not a seasoned traveler you will spend way more then $200 on drinks and food, if you are attempting to date or meeting girls via Social Media. There are many scams in Kiev, and most guys are either to embarrassed to admit that this or just choose to ignore the situation. There are many guys on daily basis getting rip off in Kiev, but most do not care about this.

Last point Rio, will cost more than $300, when the night is all over. There is a lot of bait and switch going on there. Moving you from room to room, all this is done just to get you to spend money. That being said Rio is still probably the best option, beside the street game, but do not results from this in just a few days or a couple of hours. Many hours and hard work.

As far as Russia goes, on found it very friendly, English speaking girls everywhere girls that were very attracted to Foreign Guys, similar to the good old days in Kiev. There beautiful all over the place.

Back in the day everyone could speak English in Kiev, but this has also changed dramatically.


Completely correct, I have been chatting for several months with many Ukrainian girls who us the travel girls site. Some of them have shown me the actual offers that they get on a daily basis from multiple man. 5 star hotel in Paris for weekend, 2 days = 2000 euro given to them. She is a good looking girl, not model material, but attractive. The going rate for her better looking friend is 10000 euro a week in Dubai. Although she is gorgeous.

Many men from certain cultures have a complete obsession with Ukranian and Russian women, and in-turn through instgram and travel sites are offering them nonsense money.

I went to Kiev to see what the obsession was all about, and I did not find it. Its a carefully planned illusion due to the fact we are inundated with photoshop pictures everywhere we look, yes the women are tall, yes they wear high heel everywhere, yes, they spend hours getting ready, yes they are skinny, yes they have high cheek bones. These are the positives..

[Ali655]

Does anyone have any experiment with Kiev. ukrgo.com?It's usefull for finding sex in Kiev?

[AntonySun1996]

Gentlemen,

Does anyone know how can you distinguish between working girls and ordinary girls by sight on the streets (E. G. On Khreschatik)? I the like to play some street games but don't want to offend girls. Do you just do it by instinct or there are some hints if a girl is a working girl? And how do you start the conversation and how to develop it? I have played street games but with my friends, this time I am doing it alone, so am somewhat embarrassed.

And btw if anyone in Kiev wants to meet up pls feel free to pm me.

Cheers,

Anthony.

[Riina]

Gentlemen,

Does anyone know how can you distinguish between working girls and ordinary girls by sight on the streets (E. G. On Khreschatik)? I the like to play some street games but don't want to offend girls. Do you just do it by instinct or there are some hints if a girl is a working girl? And how do you start the conversation and how to develop it? I have played street games but with my friends, this time I am doing it alone, so am somewhat embarrassed.

And btw if anyone in Kiev wants to meet up pls feel free to pm me.

Cheers,

Anthony.The square in front of McDonalds is a gold mine. Girls wait there for their friends to get off the metro where you can approach and ask simple questions like if she's from Kiev. Generally speaking, prostitutes do not troll K street. But that doesn't stop normal girls from having it in the back of their mind that may want to fuck somebody if it feels right. Target the young girls that are likely to be naive of the sex scene. Their's plenty of girls always rolling into Kiev with no money and raging hormones.

I recently met a 22 year old student that just arrived from Russia two weeks ago in my home city. I was her second customer and her pussy was just soaking wet. That inclination to suck some older guys dick for money was probably cooking in her for years. Girls like this are all over Kiev. You just have to learn how to spot them and play your game.

[AntonySun1996]

The square in front of McDonalds is a gold mine. Girls wait there for their friends to get off the metro where you can approach and ask simple questions like if she's from Kiev. Generally speaking, prostitutes do not troll K street. But that doesn't stop normal girls from having it in the back of their mind that may want to fuck somebody if it feels right. Target the young girls that are likely to be naive of the sex scene. Their's plenty of girls always rolling into Kiev with no money and raging hormones.

I recently met a 22 year old student that just arrived from Russia two weeks ago in my home city. I was her second customer and her pussy was just soaking wet. That inclination to suck some older guys dick for money was probably cooking in her for years. Girls like this are all over Kiev. You just have to learn how to spot them and play your game.Thanks for the tips. More questions: Do you need to mention money when talking to the girl? If yes, how would you do that in a way that won't offend the girl?

Cheers.

[PhotoSlider]

When I was a young student in Berlin there were people who studied German literature or American literature or any such (some were studying Finno-Hungarian literature). And then there were some who studied AVL (basically something like Literature in general and in global comparison). This entry is truly AVL. Great insight and observation, and so different from all the cheap lamenting about Kyiv, which is still awesome.Tried to find the meaning of AVL acronym in English, and then somehow the word "Allgemeine" from German High-School class popped up!

Allgemeine und Vergleichende Literaturwissenschaft. General and Comparative Literature. Wish I was there.

After reading our Forum, I can't agree more with globally applicable approach to stop whining and start enjoying life, that Bill1963 laid out few posts below. Seems like he has no doubts, thus confirming multiple years of experience of my friends, already relocated or residing in Kiev.

Can't agree more with Bill!


Look good for your age, work out, and most important learn how to talk with women.

I am planning in possibly buying a condo in Kiev.

And spending 6 months a year there...

[AntonySun1996]

Just a reminder to all gentlemen in this forum who is currently in Kiev or will be in future:

Be cautious of your personal belongings when walking around the city.

I was stolen a few hundred dollars this evening when walking in a underpass on K street. A girl (dirty, seems 10 YO or so) approached me from left (while my pocket with money in it on the right) and asked me 'gde metro' (where is the metro). I told her and she walked away. She was suspicious and I realised there were something wrong. I checked my pocket and my money was gone. I still have no idea how could they know there was money in my right side pocket and steal it without being noticed, but it seems they are professional thieves and target foreign dudes in the city centre. Perhaps at that moment I was too relaxed after sex and wasn't alert enough.

It was my first ever known experience of being stolen in my life so far. The stolen money itself isn't a big deal for me since I have more than sufficient funds, but it is my stupidity that annoys me in this incident. I didn't call the police since I knew its useless, plus after a good sex I wanted to go back to my hotel to have some rest. Hope you gentlemen could be more cautious with your cash, phones, passports, etc while in Kiev. Remember you are in one of the poorest capitals in Europe.

[PhotoSlider]

Does anyone have any experiment with Kiev. ukrgo.com?It's usefull for finding sex in Kiev?As good as any other website. Has been discussed here before. Some ads positioned as independents in reality are agencies. Some are individuals, but expensive. The usual.

[PhotoSlider]

In many apartments I have visited, the female managers are actually much hotter then the working girls there, however they usually do not offer sex service. Any ideas about how to bed them?They may have worked as providers before and got promoted. Some had enough, or found a sponsor / male partner, maybe enforcer, or protection above them. They have no other skills, but know this business inside-out. Therefore that's their only possible employment.

In 2013 I had an 18 yo staying with me for free for 3 days. She was already quite experienced and rather industrious. Explained to me a few concepts in this business. Categories of ladies, pay grades, "bases" distributed throughout the city where providers wait for calls to jump into a car for on-site delivery, etc. She wanted to get a "base" of her own, apparently that's another step in the hierarchy.

On another occasion I arrived to an apartment to have fun with an amazingly sweet and tender lady Margo. But she happened to be "tied up at the moment". So I waited with another girl in the kitchen, and she offered herself in lieu. I declined. And strictly speaking she wasn't a hot female manager watching a herd of understudies. She was more of an another available girl.

Frankly speaking, your chances of enticing female manager into your bed are less than zero. Why should she go? Because you are hot? Because she needs more money? Because she dreams of having more sex?

It's a matter of pride for her to stay above the rest. And also chain of command. Cannot undermine her authority in the eyes of subordinates, and perhaps she is not allowed to partake by her own supervisors.

[Riina]

Thanks for the tips. More questions: Do you need to mention money when talking to the girl? If yes, how would you do that in a way that won't offend the girl?

Cheers.Just to be clear, hunting on K street is not a viable mongering option for most guys. If you are lucky enough to pull a girl off the street, don't mention money. These things can play out in different ways. I've been asked how much I would give if she came back to my apartment. At that point I asked if it was for sex. I brought back two sisters once from the street. Money was never mentioned. They knew I would give them something.

[AntonySun1996]

Just to be clear, hunting on K street is not a viable mongering option for most guys. If you are lucky enough to pull a girl off the street, don't mention money. These things can play out in different ways. I've been asked how much I would give if she came back to my apartment. At that point I asked if it was for sex. I brought back two sisters once from the street. Money was never mentioned. They knew I would give them something.Thanks very much for the advice. I've been thinking about doing this for a long time and today is the day. It's snowing in Kiev now and it's a good romantic atmosphere for street actions LOL. I'll see what I will get.

[PhotoSlider]

Just a reminder to all gentlemen in this forum who is currently in Kiev or will be in future:

Be cautious of your personal belongings when walking around the city...One of the high-end providers mentioned that a much more substantial amount of cash has been stolen from her purse in a crowded public transportation. City bus. She certainly looked like a target. All dressed up and everything.

Do not carry more cash than you need for your next encounter, and be safe!

[AntonySun1996]

One of the high-end providers mentioned that a much more substantial amount of cash has been stolen from her purse in a crowded public transportation. City bus. She certainly looked like a target. All dressed up and everything.

Do not carry more cash than you need for your next encounter, and be safe!Thanks. Now I am more careful and don't carry a big amount of money when going out.

[Stevie69]

Just a thought: you might be better off spending a little more than 6 months there, so you can avoid being a "resident" of Canada" and paying high taxes.


This is great if you have game.

I have perfected my skills and can pick up women in Canada.

I currently have 2 sugarbabies here that are 18 and 21 yrs old.

I get laid all the time and give very little allowance and just do things together like boyfriend girlfriend.

Both girls are smoking hot hard bodies and very nice looking.

I am 50 (but look 40 or under) and when in Ukraine a few years ago had 19 to 25 yr old women flirting with me.

Look good for you age, work out, and most important learn how to talk with women..

[Kingmax Xx]

Completely correct, I have been chatting for several months with many Ukrainian girls who us the travel girls site. Some of them have shown me the actual offers that they get on a daily basis from multiple man. 5 star hotel in Paris for weekend, 2 days = 2000 euro given to them. She is a good looking girl, not model material, but attractive. The going rate for her better looking friend is 10000 euro a week in Dubai. Although she is gorgeous.

Many men from certain cultures have a complete obsession with Ukranian and Russian women, and in-turn through instgram and travel sites are offering them nonsense money.

I went to Kiev to see what the obsession was all about, and I did not find it. Its a carefully planned illusion due to the fact we are inundated with photoshop pictures everywhere we look, yes the women are tall, yes they wear high heel everywhere, yes, they spend hours getting ready, yes they are skinny, yes they have high cheek bones. These are the positives..We know there are many scams in Kiev, I wonder how those rich guy can prevent fraud on international travel.

[UrbanCowboy22]

I know this may seem hard to believe but over the recent holidays there wasn't very many girls working at the apartments. Many girls traveled home to be with their friends and family or simply just took time off from working. I did visit one apartment in particular that only had three ladies working. The female manager or administrator was surprisingly very attractive & after not selecting any of the available ladies, I jokingly asked if she was available. She hesitated at first but then responded if I waited an hour & she also quoted an additional 1000 uah that she could be available. I gave her my number and address and one hour later she showed up at my apartment in a taxi. We both showered, had a drink, and then straight to the bedroom, the sex was nothing short of spectacular, multiple positions, DFK, BBBJ. Before you know it, the hour was up & she asked me if I wanted to extend. It was late and I had to get up early the next morning so I declined, unfortunately I tried to meet up with her again later that week but she wasn't available or wasn't working. I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience!


In many apartments I have visited, the female managers are actually much hotter then the working girls there, however they usually do not offer sex service. Any ideas about how to bed them?

[PhotoSlider]

...I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience!As Forrest Gump said: "Some people think miracles don't happen every day. But they do!

Definitely believe you. That's why Kiev is "like a box of chocolates- you never know what you going to get!

First of all you made her feel special and she was attracted to you, otherwise nothing would have happened. The rest is secondary- maybe she was available for extra 3-4 hours, maybe she needed extra cash for her boyfriend, maybe maybe maybe. Life is great!

[TeFab456]

We know there are many scams in Kiev, I wonder how those rich guy can prevent fraud on international travel.There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.

[Kingmax Xx]

There is not exactly too much opportunity for scam. Usually the girl sends a passport copy, the man books a flight ticket. The girl can take the flight, or not. If not, the money for the flight is gone. But more so, the opportunity for the girl to meet a (often very rich) man is gone. So why would she? She can also take the flight, and try to sneak out on arrival to meet somebody else or just do what she wants to do in Dubai. Again, she also misses an opportunity.

There is one possible alert topic: sometimes girls claim they live in cities like Cherkasy or Poltava, which means they have to travel to Kiev for the flight. There used to be a scheme like this: on the day of departure they would send a text about having missed their bus, so they needed a taxi to get to the airport in time - "Can you send 200 $ now otherwise I will not reach the airport?" So if you ever book a ticket make sure it is clear how she gets to the airport.

But in general this is a pretty safe bet. I have had several girls come to me over the years, never any problem. I live in Western Europe, though, but don't think Dubai will be any different.Local transport is one scam, they may ask you for the money to apply for passport or Visa. I don't think they will come over if you give the money before arrival.

[AntonySun1996]

I know this may seem hard to believe but over the recent holidays there wasn't very many girls working at the apartments. Many girls traveled home to be with their friends and family or simply just took time off from working. I did visit one apartment in particular that only had three ladies working. The female manager or administrator was surprisingly very attractive & after not selecting any of the available ladies, I jokingly asked if she was available. She hesitated at first but then responded if I waited an hour & she also quoted an additional 1000 uah that she could be available. I gave her my number and address and one hour later she showed up at my apartment in a taxi. We both showered, had a drink, and then straight to the bedroom, the sex was nothing short of spectacular, multiple positions, DFK, BBBJ. Before you know it, the hour was up & she asked me if I wanted to extend. It was late and I had to get up early the next morning so I declined, unfortunately I tried to meet up with her again later that week but she wasn't available or wasn't working. I told that story to another member and someone who frequents that particular apartment and he almost couldn't believe it as he said he has asked multiple times and was always turned down. Maybe I was lucky or she really needed some extra cash to buy gifts before the New Year, regardless it was a great experience!It seems that to deal with the hot managers you need to be insistent even if she declined you for the first few times. As long as she doesn't dislike you too much, there's a high chance that you would take her in your bed.

[AntonySun1996]

I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!

There is many well educated, nice looking, Ukraine Sex Machines who are not destroyed being a full time pro!

Look for those who are just doing it if they like you, and just maybe once a week or so.

I was once fucking one who was saving money for moving to the states.

It was superb! Like a real GFE.

Stay a away from the street pros. The good ones stay away from the street because they have a regular life with job and family!

Just my oppinion.


The square in front of McDonalds is a gold mine. Girls wait there for their friends to get off the metro where you can approach and ask simple questions like if she's from Kiev. Generally speaking, prostitutes do not troll K street. But that doesn't stop normal girls from having it in the back of their mind that may want to fuck somebody if it feels right. Target the young girls that are likely to be naive of the sex scene. Their's plenty of girls always rolling into Kiev with no money and raging hormones.

I recently met a 22 year old student that just arrived from Russia two weeks ago in my home city. I was her second customer and her pussy was just soaking wet. That inclination to suck some older guys dick for money was probably cooking in her for years. Girls like this are all over Kiev. You just have to learn how to spot them and play your game.

[DramaFree11]

Great advice, but I would stay away from K. Street. Shopping Centers, University and Metro Stations, other then K. Street.

You are correct about the funds, other guys claim $50-75, chances are very unlikely. Once you get to $100 chances greatly improve, especially if you are there for a short period of time.


Hello,

Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!.

[DramaFree11]

Seeking Arrangements is awesome, expensive. You might also to look at Russian girls, they are little easier to deal with, in my opinion.


I remember some members in this forum have done the similar thing in the states or Canada or wherever. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find Ukrainian girls in the UK to be my sugar baby? How would you discover the potential ones and how would you talk about the deal? I would prefer uni students. I suppose there must be some Ukrainian students that need the money to pay their tuition fees, rentals, etc. By the way I'd also like to learn if there would be legal concerns about this in UK. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Deer1234]

I got acquainted with some nice-looking girls, aged 18-23, through mamba. Some are outright professional and some are naive. At the beginning, they were very friendly and sensible. I agreed with each of them upon meeting in Kiev in a month or two, in exchange for $300 or so.

However, suddenly, many of them demanded that money (usually $100) be transferred to their credit card immediately, more than one month prior to the planned meeting. The rest incessantly demanded that VIP status (which costs just $5) or Profile Boost ($1) be give to them. I scattered VIP status and Profile Boost but I hesitated to send $100 more than 1 month before the meeting without any guarantee. Then almost all of the girls (pro and non-pro) became furious. They call me "greedy" or any imaginable four letter words.

Initially, I thought this was an attempted fraud. However, it seems to me that this is an emotional culture of Ukrainian girls, because some girls are obviously successful professional (persisting over one year in mamba), and because refusal of VIP status ($5) and refusal of $100 provokes a very identical emotional response. Many of them blocked my access, which does not make a financial sense in industrialized world, abandoning $300 for the sake of $5. This seems to relate to their sense of honor? Then we have to respect it.

Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?

[Member #4722]

If they are asking for $300 block them immediately or laugh at them and mock them. Way too much for a mamba girl in Kiev. Never send money in advance.


I got acquainted with some nice-looking girls, aged 18-23, through mamba. Some are outright professional and some are naive. At the beginning, they were very friendly and sensible. I agreed with each of them upon meeting in Kiev in a month or two, in exchange for $300 or so.

However, suddenly, many of them demanded that money (usually $100) be transferred to their credit card immediately, more than one month prior to the planned meeting. The rest incessantly demanded that VIP status (which costs just $5) or Profile Boost ($1) be give to them. I scattered VIP status and Profile Boost but I hesitated to send $100 more than 1 month before the meeting without any guarantee. Then almost all of the girls (pro and non-pro) became furious. They call me "greedy" or any imaginable four letter words.

Initially, I thought this was an attempted fraud. However, it seems to me that this is an emotional culture of Ukrainian girls, because some girls are obviously successful professional (persisting over one year in mamba), and because refusal of VIP status ($5) and refusal of $100 provokes a very identical emotional response. Many of them blocked my access, which does not make a financial sense in industrialized world, abandoning $300 for the sake of $5. This seems to relate to their sense of honor? Then we have to respect it.

Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?

[PhotoSlider]

Has anybody of you given $100 or so, to a girl in mamba whom you have never met. What happened?Imagine you are in Paris, or Berlin, or New York, or Sao Paolo. A great looking girl approaches you, and asks for $100 because you are so great. Noticing you have doubts, she says: "You just wait here, I'll go tell my friends around the corner, and then I'll be right back to spend time with you, just give me $100, and with me soon you are going to have the best time of your life!

Would you give her this money?

How is it any different with these scammers on mamba?

Them girls calling you greedy is a psychological trick working with poor idiots, salivating at the mere though of having Ukrainian beauty in their hands. And if this trick works with 10-20% of wannabe mongers, then going the path of least resistance is worthwhile for them ladies-scammers.

The only question is this: when the girl arrives at your residence, and you see that perhaps she holds some promise, - should you pay upon her arrival, or after the performance is over?

For short-term I gamble and pay right away. For long-term I may prepay 1 hour and do the "test drive" first: kick the tires, see how steering and overall handling is, so to speak, hehehe.

[Member #4722]

If your budget allows $300 for session you should use Gia or go to Rio as at least you have quality control and can gauge chemistry beforehand at least at Rio. If I was to ever even consider spending $300 on a mamba girl she better look like a model, offer all the kinks on her menu, and I would have to meet her for a drink before any money changed hands to make sure she is the girl in the pics as well if to test if she is friendly or cold.
But I would never go for $300 on mamba with due diligence you can find nice girls on mamba in $100 range for a no-rush session

[Frankfurt]

Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!


Hello,

Use your time. They normally walk two girls together. Look the girl direct in the eyes. You soon see on responce if they are working or not.

Look how they respond when other men start talking to them.

They are walking a lot between the metro (Mcdonalds) and Arena.

If to girls are walking up and down this street and smile back or so you can start talk to them.

Many serious women do not even want to walk in this area with you!

I have been 24 times to Kiev and I recommend you to use 100-200 usd and get a semi pro or a MILF who will fuck you like a hero!.

[PhotoSlider]

If your budget allows $300 for session you should use Gia or go to Rio as at least you have quality control and can gauge chemistry beforehand at least at Rio. If I was to ever even consider spending $300 on a mamba girl she better look like a model, offer all the kinks on her menu, and I would have to meet her for a drink before any money changed hands to make sure she is the girl in the pics as well if to test if she is friendly or cold.
But I would never go for $300 on mamba with due diligence you can find nice girls on mamba in $100 range for a no-rush sessionTotally agree!

Rio allows for a validation test. Rio also seldom leads to a prolonged stay, unless it's very late, girl likes you, and staying at your apartment / hotel is more fun, compared to dorm or her seeing roommate after a cab ride through the cold winter night.

BTW, Rio is strictly prepay. Girl will take your USD300 or EUR300, and right away give it to management upon leaving the premises. I did meet one guy though, who established a reputation. We were passing by on the way to karaoke, and he was recognized by bouncers and Rio manager, who stepped out:

- Ohhh! Great to see you! Please come in!

- I don't have any money on me at the moment.

- That's OK, you have credit line here. Fuck them tonight, and pay sometime later!

GIA hourly rate could be 20-40% cheaper than Rio, especially if handled properly. GIA sometime is substantially longer, such is the asymptotic progressive pay structure, - for some of the girls difference between 10 hours and 24 hours is only 3000 UAH = $105. Upfront payment for the first hour is high, and that's when I test them: Does she kiss? Is she forthcoming, willing and accommodating? Does she visibly enjoy interaction herself? Is she elegant and intelligent, or imposing and not classy enough to take outside on a stroll and such? Within the first 5-10-15 minutes I am able to make a decision.

$300 for a mamba girl? No way! $300 can be given for 8-10 hours for a company of a lady known from prior encounters, in particular those that repeatedly proved they are consistent and reliable in service delivery. And definitely no prepayments for long-term. Even $100 is too much of a prepay to anybody. Girls definitely try harder when pay is not in their pocket yet. Surprisingly, even when they know that in few hours I'm taking a cab to the airport, somehow they passionately do their best to please. Not sure what makes them behave that way. Expecting a tip, or being sentimentally romantic because I treated her well, or ensuring upon my return I'll see her, and not somebody else?

If you pay upfront, she considers you a fool, a hunting prey, an ATM machine to extract the money from. And after she's done withdrawing from ATM, she's gone, - both mentally and physically, - there are no feelings wasted. It's that calculated and pure. For her you don't exist anymore. Just like for a pickpocket thief the victim of his crime is completely irrelevant, - simply an empty space.

I disagree with painting Kiev scenery in grim colors, however that doesn't mean we have to throw away our money literally for nothing. There are definitely proven better ways to spend over there.

No prepay.

[Coyle]

Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!Yes, Kreschatyk street is like 5th Avenue in New York City.

With their average salary, they (girls) can't dream of shopping in this street.

I prefer having my apartment around this area. Between Independence street and Arena City.

It is close to everything even the National Opera house, bars, subway, shopping mall, grocery store and etc.

Girls easily come to your place.

What's surprising is. Below this Kreschatyk street, there is enormous underground space. Small shopping stores. It is connected all the way to McDonald.

I successfully picked up a few girls while walking around this underground mall. Easy. I lost my direction or I need to buy souvenir for my mom, stuff like that.

On the ground level of Kreschatyk, I didn't have luck tho.

[PhotoSlider]

Gents, is the Khreshchatyk metro station referenced here and the McDonalads near it? Or this station Ploscha Lva Tolstoho? Please enlighten!McDonald's near the Kreshchatyk metro station. Street address is Kreshchatyk 19.

[Clement Mic]

What you guys use these days for freebies?

I used to catch a lot of girls on vk, and it used to be a real gold mine!

No joke, I could literally count about 1 new girlfriend per day.

My method was they accept to be my girl, then I start talking about sex, and if they don't do oral sex its a straight bye from me because I didn't care, I had so many.

But now VK is dead, and even before, since few years ago like 5. A little bit before the war, I have been starting to get a lot less yes answer.

Now I use instagram, but it's nothing compared to before! Now it's like a girl a month or something instead of one every day.

Even the mentality from Ukraine girls totally change. Now they care more about spending time on instagram for their photos than spending time with you.

And nowadays, even a girl from a little city that look like a village for us western europeans, will have amazing pictures, its crazy.

What I mean by amazing pictures is she will look really good in the picture and some good makeup or something.

But it doesn't mean they are more beautiful, they are just showing off and getting a lot of likes.

I prefer ukraine girls before because they were more natural, and cared more about things.

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, this has been going on for several years, but most just choose to ignore the facts.

What you guys use these days for freebies?

I used to catch a lot of girls on vk, and it used to be a real gold mine!

No joke, I could literally count about 1 new girlfriend per day.

My method was they accept to be my girl, then I start talking about sex, and if they don't do oral sex its a straight bye from me because I didn't care, I had so many.

But now VK is dead, and even before, since few years ago like 5. A little bit before the war, I have been starting to get a lot less yes answer.

Now I use instagram, but it's nothing compared to before! Now it's like a girl a month or something instead of one every day.

Even the mentality from Ukraine girls totally change. Now they care more about spending time on instagram for their photos than spending time with you.

And nowadays, even a girl from a little city that look like a village for us western europeans, will have amazing pictures, its crazy.

What I mean by amazing pictures is she will look really good in the picture and some good makeup or something.

But it doesn't mean they are more beautiful, they are just showing off and getting a lot of likes.

I prefer ukraine girls before because they were more natural, and cared more about things.

[Tomek123]

Totally agree!

Rio allows for a validation test. Rio also seldom leads to a prolonged stay, unless it's very late, girl likes you, and staying at your apartment / hotel is more fun, compared to dorm or her seeing roommate after a cab ride through the cold winter night.

BTW, Rio is strictly prepay. Girl will take your USD300 or EUR300, and right away give it to management upon leaving the premises. I did meet one guy though, who established a reputation. We were passing by on the way to karaoke, and he was recognized by bouncers and Rio manager, who stepped out:

- Ohhh! Great to see you! Please come in!

- I don't have any money on me at the moment..I agree, but do not forget that times have changed a little. Do not forget about the fact that this blooming meadow is already very much trampled. Too many low-level foreigners and low moral principles have been in Ukraine for the past 7-8 years. Then Turkish expansion began. I have many friends among the girls and I am very well informed. Besides I was born in the USSR and my native language is Russian. I can tell you many shocking stories about what was done with Ukrainian girls in the past 10 years. Especially when the mass migration of sex tourists from Turkey began. For example, the girl came to the apartment just for classical sex and blow job in a condom. A 20 sm Arab dick enters her ass. She starts begging to stop it. But her fucked in the ass, while slapping her ass with her hands, grabbing her hair. Then ending her in her mouth. Sometimes a girl agrees to have sex with two men, seduced by bigger money. But she gets a real brutal [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). Many Turkish guys are proud that they fucked a girl for free. That is, they deceived her. Many oriental guys behave very cheekily and brazenly. I used to fuck one girl. Very pretty. She has red hair and big tits and lips. She told me how she and two friends were in a nightclub and a few guys from Turkey were flirting with them. One guy danced with her several times. She said that he was very excited and she felt that his cock is standing like a stick. The last time.

He was also excited and began to massage her ass and press his cock to her body. And massage her breasts. She removed his hands. Then he turned her back to him and she felt that his cock pressed in her ass. He was a little drunk. He strongly pressed her to him and she felt that he was making powerful short frictions. Like a dog. She wanted to leave but he pressed her to him. She did not dare. She was frightened.

After a few seconds he began to moan and finished. She felt that his cock became soft. She was frightened and afraid. One of these began to ask them whether they like a big dick. Her girlfriend said that every girl loves a big dick. When this Turkish guy showed her in the phone a photo of her penis. Very big. And said that they have never sucked such a big dick. And that he likes how Ukrainian girls do blow job. When they left the club, these guys grabbed their hands.

So the times have changed a lot. Do not forget about it. The reputation of foreigners has fallen dramatically in the last 5-7 years.

[Tomek123]

I agree, but do not forget that times have changed a little. Do not forget about the fact that this blooming meadow is already very much trampled. Too many low-level foreigners and low moral principles have been in Ukraine for the past 7-8 years. Then Turkish expansion began. I have many friends among the girls and I am very well informed. Besides I was born in the USSR and my native language is Russian. I can tell you many shocking stories about what was done with Ukrainian girls in the past 10 years. Especially when the mass migration of sex tourists from Turkey began. For example, the girl came to the apartment just for classical sex and blowjob in a condom. A 20 sm Arab dick enters her ass. She starts begging to stop it. But her fucked in the ass, while slapping her ass with her hands, grabbing her hair. Then ending her in her mouth. Sometimes a girl agrees to have sex with two men, seduced by bigger money. But she gets a real brutal [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). Many Turkish guys are proud that they fucked a girl for free. That is, they deceived her. Many oriental guys behave very cheekily and brazenly. I used to fuck one girl. Very pretty. She has red hair and big tits and lips. She told me how she and two friends were in a nightclub and a few guys from Turkey were flirting with them. One guy danced with her several times. She said that he was very excited and she felt that his cock is standing like a stick. The last time.

He was also excited and began to massage her ass and press his cock to her body. And massage her breasts. She removed his hands. Then he turned her back to him and she felt that his cock pressed in her ass. He was a little drunk. He strongly pressed her to him and she felt that he was making powerful short frictions. Like a dog. She wanted to leave but he pressed her to him. She did not dare. She was frightened.

After a few seconds he began to moan and finished. She felt that his cock became soft. She was frightened and afraid. One of these began to ask them whether they like a big dick. Her girlfriend said that every girl loves a big dick. When this Turkish guy showed her in the phone a photo of her penis. Very big. And said that they have never sucked such a big dick. And that he likes how Ukrainian girls do blow job. When they left the club, these guys grabbed their hands.

So the times have changed a lot. Do not forget about it. The reputation of foreigners has fallen dramatically in the last 5-7 years.

[PhotoSlider]

...I prefer ukraine girls before because they were more natural, and cared more about things.What do you mean "cared more about things"? What things? Can you be more specific please?

IMO Ukrainian (or Brazilian, or Costa Rican, or Mongolian) girls care about money, about getting the latest model of iPhone, and about having a great time. Some care about having sex.

IPhone = money.

Proper sex = having a great time.

That's all.

If you give them one of the above on the competitive level, then there's a good chance of having a great time for yourself as well.

There rest is subjective, and everybody is entitled to his own opinion.

[CastOnThis]

What do you mean "cared more about things"? What things? Can you be more specific please?They didn't have so many tattoos as before and they have so many piercings too. They look silly having an entire arm or torso tattooed.

[Gatsuu]

Hi Guys,

I'm new to this forum. I'm going to Kiev with 2 friends (we are around 33 years old) and we want to go in different strip club.

Do you have some addresses with prices? Except Rio.

We also looked online to find escorts. Does someone have tried cracker? There are nice women with price around $60/70 per hour. If you have another website, you can send me the link in PM, so I can have a look.

Thanks for your help and advices!

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[Jymondor]

Then Turkish expansion began.
So the times have changed a lot. Do not forget about it. The reputation of foreigners has fallen dramatically in the last 5-7 years.Totally agree with one little note. Ukrainian girls clearly see the difference between the definitions "Turkish" and "Foreigner". They do not treat Turkish men same way as western foreigners.

[PhotoSlider]

They didn't have so many tattoos as before and they have so many piercings too. They look silly having an entire arm or torso tattooed.Tastes differ. Some mongers and even the girls themselves do not like makeup, silicon, botox, some do not like tattoos.

I go a step further, and really admire ladies with no piercings, not even those for regular earrings. I know, it's practically impossible to find, but I have met those. What can be better, than the fresh natural look, touch and feel of a young 18-19 yo?

Having said that, I did meet classy ladies with elaborate color tattoos, that were truly proper and beautiful. One was a Chechen girl in Gelendzhik, - the small Russian town on the Black Sea shore. We went to the shower together, and she was totally awesome, -- proud, joyful and special indeed. Sex was amazing, - few moments after it was over, she sincerely exclaimed herself: "This! Was! Fu-cking! Great!

[OlaOlsen]

Hello,

Kiev is a superficial city.

Read my previous posts.

It can be hard to find nice woman for a normal price.

You can find semi pros in places like Caribbean Club, CHI or Budda Bar.

Strip Clubs: I really like Harem. It is in Arena.

Taxi: use uber.

Where to stay: Rent apartment. Rent one next to Arena or Maidan.

Women: What are you looking for? To fuck a very nice woman or to have good sex with a good looking woman?

Look for the semi pro, MILF, or young student who need money. Stay away from hard core pros.

The site you mentioned is mostly fake photos!

There is girls in Kiev who get 10 000 usd for a night! Yes it is.

Many get 1000 usd for the night.

But it is possible to find very nice woman for 100 usd.

But Kiev is all about the money. If you get out of Kiev it is a totally different country!

Have a nice time.

BTW I have been 24 times to Kiev.


Hi Guys,

I'm new to this forum. I'm going to Kiev with 2 friends (we are around 33 years old) and we want to go in different strip club.

Do you have some addresses with prices? Except Rio.

We also looked online to find escorts. Does someone have tried cracker? There are nice women with price around $60/70 per hour..

[DramaFree11]

Sorry, I have to disagree. I use to think the same, but they like to travel to Turkey and have a lot of friends in the country. I would tell them to be very careful, DT. Guys are on there best behavior in Kiev, and we all know that they do not behave and act like animals at times. I would tell that, "that you might get in a real bad situation and nobody will help you in Middle Eastern Country." They would just laugh.

Good point, but this was my observations and my friends had the same opinion. Remember Ukraine Girls lie a lot.


Totally agree with one little note. Ukrainian girls clearly see the difference between the definitions "Turkish" and "Foreigner". They do not treat Turkish men same way as western foreigners.

[AlanZ]

Last time I attended kiev massage parlor (http://afrodita.net.ua/en/) a few months ago, but I still remember that awesome feelings. Each visit there was an incredible, girls were very sensual. I'm planning my next business trip to Kiev now and I'll definitely book an appointment for body to body massage one more time.

[Guntherus]

I'm sure that girls in Kiev differ in their opinion on Turcks. Just like they have different opinions on Americans, Germans, etc. You can find both extremes. Only the hardcore working girls do their hardcore jobs for money, not for friendship or favouritism for race. But my intention is to melt Kiev girls utterly and smash then until they want to follow me everywhere. Does anyone know a top quality lingerie shop in Kiev center?

[PhotoSlider]

I'm sure that girls in Kiev differ in their opinion on Turcks. Just like they have different opinions on Americans, Germans, etc. You can find both extremes. Only the hardcore working girls do their hardcore jobs for money, not for friendship or favouritism for race...Most of the girls in Kiev are not xenophobic at all, as the City culture is rather cosmopolitan. Yes, visitors from many corners of the world may have certain cultural differences, but there are jerks in any nationality, including Ukrainian, American, Turkish, Russian or Polish. I am talking about aforementioned unsolicited advances, not about seemingly derogatory individual preferences, which may push away or attract. IMHO it is not nationality, but rather category within society. Some have respect for women, some don't. I know very educated Turkish, who are true gentleman.

One of the top pop-singers in Ukraine married the guy from Turkey, a well-to-do businessman. He moved to Kiev. They didn't go to Germany, or France, or US, not even Turkey. Why is that? He is wealthy. I'm sure she had few options before choosing him.

Ukrainian girls decide themselves what they should and shouldn't do. And they travel to Turkey easily, and repeatedly. Weather is nice, there's money to be made and despite of what is said here my friend tells me that she is treated over there as a Goddess. Dubai, Egypt, and especially Jordan is totally another story.

My suggestion is to forget about them Terrible Turks, stealing Ukrainian beauties. There's still enough (always been), if expectations are realistic, sufficient financial resources are available, mind is clear, and attitude is positive.

[Guntherus]

You are totally correct, though I am a little more pessimistic about the situation, because there are not endless stashes of these feminine Slavic beauties. In the end they will dry up, and some would say it already has drained considerably. And, always trying to increase my cultural knowledge, what is the name of this singer?

[DramaFree11]

Correct, already had dried up!


You are totally correct, though I am a little more pessimistic about the situation, because there are not endless stashes of these feminine Slavic beauties. In the end they will dry up, and some would say it already has drained considerably. And, always trying to increase my cultural knowledge, what is the name of this singer?

[DramaFree11]

You can say what you want. Guys are major factor in Kiev, and most of the time it is not for the best. Yes, there are some nice one, but most are major pain in the ass and this is being nice. The bars and restaurants now cater, to them (locals, and foreign business guys are just not going like the good old day), because they have the money (willing to spend in Kiev), and they pretty much let them do what they like and they have tendencies to not follow rules. You can call it what you like, but this is the truth.


Most of the girls in Kiev are not xenophobic at all, as the City culture is rather cosmopolitan. Yes, visitors from many corners of the world may have certain cultural differences, but there are jerks in any nationality, including Ukrainian, American, Turkish, Russian or Polish. I am talking about aforementioned unsolicited advances, not about seemingly derogatory individual preferences, which may push away or attract. IMHO it is not nationality, but rather category within society. Some have respect for women, some don't. I know very educated Turkish, who are true gentleman.

One of the top pop-singers in Ukraine married the guy from Turkey, a well-to-do businessman. He moved to Kiev. They didn't go to Germany, or France, or US, not even Turkey. Why is that? He is wealthy. I'm sure she had few options before choosing him.

Ukrainian girls decide themselves what they should and shouldn't do. And they travel to Turkey easily, and repeatedly. Weather is nice, there's money to be made and despite of what is said here my friend tells me that she is treated over there as a Goddess. Dubai, Egypt, and especially Jordan is totally another story.

My suggestion is to forget about them Terrible Turks, stealing Ukrainian beauties. There's still enough (always been), if expectations are realistic, sufficient financial resources are available, mind is clear, and attitude is positive.

[PhotoSlider]

You are totally correct, though I am a little more pessimistic about the situation, because there are not endless stashes of these feminine Slavic beauties. In the end they will dry up, and some would say it already has drained considerably. And, always trying to increase my cultural knowledge, what is the name of this singer?Surely there's a difference in opinions about the current state of affairs, and that's perfectly fine. Some whine, I am thrilled every time I visit. Nothing wrong with that. Different requirements, different approach- different results.

I am omnivorous- can do "Avalon" and "Puzata Hata", can indulge in GIA and $25/ hour call girls, and GIA doesn't always win, as great as it is. Changing scenery doesn't concern me. In fact, I would say my 2011 visit was the least pleasing. 3 visits over the last 16 months were progressively better and better with each time, due to established base and more realistic expectations.

Some of the recent newbie visitors returned from Kiev disappointed, but not for the reasons you describe. Newbies leveraged mamba successfully, and instead of going to useless clubs and restaurants crowded by "invasive species", they tapped into University pool. They were disappointed not to visit, but to leave Kiev, because they found it being that great.

Clubs were of no interests to me even before the Turkish "avalanche" started, despite having multiple attempts in the past at DLux, Arena, Caribbean, and such. The only good memory was River Palace back in 2008. To that effect I can say that yes, Kiev is not the same anymore. Neither is the rest of the planet.

Name of the singer is Ani Lorak. She is not the best looking, yet her current net worth is somewhere within $10-20 M. I don't know how wealthy that Turkish husband was before marrying her, being a manager at the hotel in Antalya, and part-owner of Travel Agency, but he owns few restaurants and night clubs in Kiev now, as well as some businesses in Moscow. Are they equal partners in this union? I don't know. Haven't noticed him here on this Forum though, complaining about the lack of decent Ukrainian women. Obviously he had the game and courage to approach the girl, made her feel special, and eventually locked her up long-term. He looks like a happy person within this family, so does she. Admittedly this is not the most representative example, but still.

[PhotoSlider]

This question has been answered here already, so let me rephrase it.

Let's say I am a middle aged global traveller with $200-500 a day budget including lodging, decent healthy food, good concert or theatre tickets, and them nice looking, eagerly accommodating ladies, following my every desire.

IMO today's Kiev mostly matches the above requirements (90% of the time). $60-120/ night for a great apartment, minimal expense for cab rides / metro-underground subway, very good food at any price level, entertainment at $5-20 a seat, and ever changing young beauties somehow still presenting themselves at the rate, requiring thoughtful scheduling to avoid overload, and not to commit mistakes by missing the best ones willing and waiting.

Now, with visa-free travel, there are unavoidable changes. There's an opinion the well is already drying up.

That begs the question: what should the Poor Jew (or German, or American, or Turk, or French.) do next? Where to go? What is substantially better today and going forward?

Thailand? Never been, somehow not interested.

Brazil? Closely reminiscent of Kiev. Very good. Twice as expensive as Kiev in all aspects. I was not affected by crime, but have heard multiple stories, and it is there, very close for sure.

Germany? Not interested in FKK drive-through services.

Costa Rica? Somewhat comparable in girls attitude. Infrastructure underdeveloped. Very enjoyable. Cannot forget.

DR, Cuba, Jamaica. Perhaps similar, but not decidedly better than Costa Rica.

Russia? No way. Yes, it is advertised repeatedly here. Sorry, not exactly for political reasons mentioned by some gentlemen here already, but more because of personal safety concerns, mental and physical. I had not only witnessed, but was a victim of collusion between criminals and police at the airport. Only intuition and certain street skills ingrained in my brain since childhood helped to avoid serious consequences. And that is far from being the only reason. I'm sure ladies are awesome over there, I did partake, and am grateful, but RF society is too aggressive to my taste.

Same applies to Colombia. Great country, but a little too dangerous.

Moldova, Belarus? - sounds similar to Kharkiv and Sumy. Why simply not go to Odessa instead?

Yes, I know, Kiev is not the same anymore. We established that. So called "good old times" are not returning, not for foreigners, not for locals.

What is better? Can we go beyond complaints and help each other in constructive manner?

As imperfect as it is, honestly, I have not seen anything better than Kiev.

[PhotoSlider]

...I am a little more pessimistic about the situation, because there are not endless stashes of these feminine Slavic beauties. In the end they will dry up, and some would say it already has drained considerably...Some would always say that. What is in your opinion the measurable quantifiable criteria to say that 2-3 years ago it was much better?

I actually entertained Mandarin even more than River Palace, and yes, both are gone. But back then Viber and Instagram and WhatsApp and Telegram did not exist.

For me it is easier to communicate to well-known agency dispatcher through the Viber, maybe look at the pictures, maybe only ask for them being young and classy, and then wait for 30-60 minutes, while delivery of 2-3 beauties to choose from is made to my door.

IMO 2016 was about 20-30% more expensive than 2017, and talent in 2017 was better. I sampled few dozen this November, and at least 60-70% were amazing not only in their looks, but also in the quality of the service provided. Never paid more than 2000 UAH an hour, sometimes considerably less. Girls wanted to meet with me, even in those rare cases when it was for free. I posted URLs to their profiles here before. Pics are real. At least 5 of them are still online.

Emotions aside. How exactly is it substantially different? Can solid examples be given here?

I am done responding to complaints. Those disheartened leave more to those of us who are still upbeat.

[Jymondor]

Gentlemen, please let me squeeze into your theoretical dispute with the simple, practical advice. Reading this thread, I spotted few posts with inquiries about more affordable alternative to GIA. But haven't found any recommendations. Indeed more agencies aiming foreigners exist. And it is not hard to find them. Just go to backpage or kiev.cracker, which is the same. Copy phone numbers and paste into Excel. Bring all the phone numbers to the same, format, sort them, highlight duplications and see what numbers repeat many times for the different girls. Don't worry that all photos are fake.

I dug five phone numbers. Contacted one via Viber text and got real photos of the girls available now. As you pick the girl, they send you the list of services and price. The girl I picked was at my place in 35 min due to traffic. Definitely, she was the girl from the picture, just a bit heavier than I expected, but young and sweet. $70 USD / HR, $130/2 hrs, $180/3 hrs, $400 night (7 hrs or so). DFK + $20, BBBJ +$30. I did not inquire GREEK.

Did not try other numbers since that agency still has long enough lineup for my current stay.

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Gentlemen, please let me squeeze into your theoretical dispute with the simple, practical advice. Reading this thread, I spotted few posts with inquiries about more affordable alternative to GIA. But haven't found any recommendations. Indeed more agencies aiming foreigners exist. And it is not hard to find them. Just go to backpage or kiev.cracker, which is the same. Copy phone numbers and paste into Excel...Practical vs. Theoretical indeed! Used the same approach at ukrgo.com, kievlady.com, minuet.biz. And the result was similar: agencies are easy to identify either on a piece of paper or via Excel entries with identical phone numbers. After that real photos were sent to me via Viber, 70 USD, 35 minutes or so to the door, and long list of candidates wearing high heels and provocative lingerie any time of the day or night. They started with few ugly girls to see how drunk and insensitive I am, but that was relatively easy to fix.

When I switched between the agencies back and forth, the consolidator above them explained, that the source (underlying girls bases throughout the city) is the same. So, agencies talk to each other, perhaps asking for favors, borrowing "resources" and such.

I like them young girls that a little overweight too, in a healthy way, not obese. They are so sensuous and fun!

[DramaFree11]

There is guy that just reported that Brazil is as good as Kiev. I was just in Brazil, homeless people everywhere, no police, extremely dangerous. As bad as Kiev is Brazil 10 times worse, and as far as girls, very bad. You can get somebody killed by telling to go to Brazil, especially Rio. Also, it is not cheap at all, maybe double price of Kiev. I have no idea where is getting his research from. If you want to get killed, robbed and have bad food go Rio. Unbelievable, it was the worst trip of my life by far, I would take Kiev any day over Rio.

[Jymondor]

I like them young girls that a little overweight too, in a healthy way, not obese. They are so sensuous and fun!Perfect definition "a little overweight in a healthy way". Pretty much similar to the traditional Kozak humour pictures with the big breast/ass women and slim men with the moustaches.

Talking to Ukrainian dudes, I found that more than 70% of them prefer the girls "with the meat on the bones" (this is the direct translation). Some like more meat some less, but very few prefer slender girls ("bones & skin" - the direct translation either). It looks like some junk in the trunk is the folk standard of the beauty. Slender and athletic beauty standards must be imported from the Holywood movies and glossy magazines.

I know the Ukrainian guy whose wife looks like a model, spending hours and hours in the fitness club. But all his sugar babies are "healthy overweight". He is a businessman dealing with the foreigners and his stunning wife is perfect for the receptions. But meaty sugar babies are for the soul.

Healthy overweight girls usually sweet, soft and submissive. Nice experience. Normally I prefer gazelles, but little change will never hurt.

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...very few prefer slender girls ("bones & skin" - the direct translation...
...Healthy overweight girls usually sweet, soft and submissive. Nice experience. Normally I prefer gazelles, but little change will never hurt...Direct translation is "skin & bones"- Same difference.

Here is a highly recommended Lady Bella:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/10816

Definitely not a gazelle type, but I like them all.

I did have at least once a girl much heavier than Bella, certainly on the obese side, Amina, a real piano teacher: 168 cm, 70 kg, 19 yo, 1300 UAH /50 USD in 2016. The moment I saw her in those cute eyeglasses upon arrival in the taxi, I wanted her badly! Those are usually overlooked, deprived, and therefore are more horny. Amina was very shy in an extremely attractive manner, and eternally grateful after being treated right, coming at least twice, if not more. I came twice within an hour. That was at 5 am, right after having a different pro girl at 3 am. Enjoyed time with Amina a lot.

Bella was all sweet smiles, gorgeous eyes, heavenly pleasure to talk to. Student. Sport dancing after classes. And so good in bed, that I honestly do not remember any details, which is the highest rating in my book.

I was heartbroken to see Bella leave, but limited time / bandwidth over-utilization is a typical problem in Kiev.

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There is guy that just reported that Brazil is as good as Kiev. I was just in Brazil, homeless people everywhere, no police, extremely dangerous. As bad as Kiev is Brazil 10 times worse, and as far as girls, very bad. You can get somebody killed by telling to go to Brazil, especially Rio. Also, it is not cheap at all, maybe double price of Kiev. I have no idea where is getting his research from. If you want to get killed, robbed and have bad food go Rio. Unbelievable, it was the worst trip of my life by far, I would take Kiev any day over Rio.Did you go yourself, or was it someone else you know? When / what year? Where did you / he stay? Where did the sampling of talent happen? Termas or Massage Parlors? How much was paid?

There's very bad crime there for sure, especially while crossing from Copacabana to Ipanema through few city blocks or even on city bus. If not killed then robbed easily. If you don't have a second backup / insurance wallet you can get stabbed for resisting a robbery.

I went to Rio Brazil few times myself. Great girls, some of the best in the world without a doubt. Excellent food. Very expensive. I did have friends meeting me at the airport, but they didn't watch my every step. Just usual precautions, especially since I do not look like a Brazilian at all. Kiev is better, safer, cheaper but not completely carefree. Again, girls at the Termas in Rio are some of the best in the world in their variety, attitude, energy, OMG!

Would I go there again? After 5-10 times in Kiev, and if I have spare money from winning a lottery, yes. But that is adventuresome me. YMMV.

[DramaFree11]

One month, ago with friends. Terrible and not worth the risk, my 2 other parts all agreed. As far as girls even worse then Kiev and we all Know how I feel about Kiev. Sorry we just disagree, but that is okay.


Did you go yourself, or was it someone else you know? When / what year? Where did you / he stay? Where did the sampling of talent happen? Termas or Massage Parlors? How much was paid?

There's very bad crime there for sure, especially while crossing from Copacabana to Ipanema through few city blocks or even on city bus. If not killed then robbed easily. If you don't have a second backup / insurance wallet you can get stabbed for resisting a robbery.

I went to Rio Brazil few times myself. Great girls, some of the best in the world without a doubt. Excellent food. Very expensive. I did have friends meeting me at the airport, but they didn't watch my every step. Just usual precautions, especially since I do not look like a Brazilian at all. Kiev is better, safer, cheaper but not completely carefree. Again, girls at the Termas in Rio are some of the best in the world in their variety, attitude, energy, OMG!

Would I go there again? After 5-10 times in Kiev, and if I have spare money from winning a lottery, yes. But that is adventuresome me. YMMV.

[JacobBrasil]

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[Jymondor]

I've been in Kiev many times, but not purposely for mongering. Dolls, GIA, some indys on case-to-case base. Various experience. Usually I monger in Frankfurt FKK and happy with that. However, I expect some negative changes on FKK scene related to the new German laws. I already know that some girls will not go through the legal procedure of the registration, and line up could be thinner after February. Besides, I hear the rumors that BBBJ could be enforced. I am sure it will be still available but not from all girls and likely for extra $$.

By that reason, I am looking for Plan B in case if FKK industry will decline. So, this venue was more like "market research". I went from the basics to the top. Started with 1200/ HR indy, and ended up with GIA.

I booked apartment on Lesi Ukrainky in the central part of the city. I speak Russian, so I had no limits in communications.

Day one. 1200/ HR indy.

I selected few ads and start calling. More than ten number simply did not answer. I used all previously selected phones with no luck. So, I start to call numbers from the ad-sites. Finally got answer from the girls found on menuet. 28 year old, "pictures are mine", bla-bla-bla. She arrived as scheduled even 5 min earlier.

Well. Definitely totally different girl. Not even similar to what I've seen on the photos. Early or mid 30's. But pretty face and endless willingness to work in her eyes. I let her in. Paid first HR and taxi. She jumped in the shower. What to say? Typical MILF GND. Nothing ugly, nothing bad, no stretches, no saggy tits. But nothing hot either.

First round no disappointment. She only asked 300 UAH for BBBJ. After that virtually no restrictions. DFK, FIV, FIA, good BBBJ with BLS and ball scratching. All positions.

At the break, I put on the table small box of the chocolate from REWE (I brought from Frankfurt 5 boxes one for each day), local cheese and bottle of the wine.

Needless to say, that second round was even more enthusiastic, extra 1000 UAH for GREEK. She took it into different positions with no complains and restriction.

In short. Average women and excellent service. Not really enough for me since young firm body and beautiful or at least cute face is essential to me. Damage 1200+200 (taxi)+1200 (extra HR) + 300 (BBBJ) + 1000 (GREEK). At the end she mentioned that she has a friend 48 kg and see cups.

Day 2. Her friend.

Day started as previous one. Lots of calls and texts, no answers. Finally, I found the girl TGTBT. We agreed at 17:00. She took my address and wrote that she calling for taxi. I call her at 17:15 to check her status. No answer. I text her. No answer. At 18:00 I text her if I do not hear from her in 15 min I consider our date cancelled. No answer.

I lost my patience wasting time for useless calls and called to the 48 kg friend of the yesterday's girl. She arrived in 20 min. Not sure about 48 kg. More likely 55. Body as early 30's, face as late 30's. She told she do fitness and yoga. Could be true.

Lost of pseudo-sophisticating talks about healthy way of life and sex. Paranoiac hygiene. I did not try DFK because absolutely no wish to kiss the face that was pretty a few years ago. Good sloppy BBBJ with lots of BLS. No DIGITS. Good sex in Kamasutra positions (she is really stretched). But I did not extend for longer simply because wasn't sure about second erection. Didn't click. Damage 1200 + 200 (taxi) + 300 (BBBJ).

Day 3. Hidden agency.

I employed search technology described here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2132916&viewfull=1#post2132916.

Communication via Viber text. Immediate answer. Non-blurred photos of about 15 girls or more. Immediate answers about services available. I was a bit surprised that operator do not understand common abbreviation. I wrote that I can communicate in Russian but she / he keep texting in poor English. I chosen one cute looking girls. She arrived in 25 min.

I cannot add anything that already described in the mentioned post. Not too bad, but I like slender girls.

Day 4. GIA.

I picked Kristina. No needs to describe GIA's routine. It is well known. Professional and predicted. Of course, the girls looks exactly as on unbloored picture (I got the password). Maybe a bit more lbs but still perfect.

Very passionate DFK. She was so good kisser so enjoyed it for 20 minutes or longer. Switched to DATY. She vigorously cum in less than 5 min and asked for a quick break. As she opened her eyes, I asked why so. She said that GIA girls usually serve one customer per day, basides she didn't work quite a few days. DATY was so sensual so I started another tour with the finger. It was enough her natural juice to lubricate A-hole, so I fingered it too. Another orgasm, another shot break.

BBBJ with BLS, ball caressing, teasing, licking. Not really deep and a bit soft to me. When we switched to main course that brought me to the heaven. Any common positions but nothing Kamasutra-style since she is not flexible. After the shot, I need the rest.

Wine, cheese, chocolate, conversation. Not good talker, just listener.

Second round same as first one, plus GREEK (+2000 UAH). Positions in GREEK were a bit restrictive. Doggy, scissors, standing mish (I booked the apartment with the piece of furniture that allows standing mish.).

Did not cum. Took another break wit the wine / cheese / chocolate. Third round, intensive BBBJ, perfect HJ. I took Durex Play and taught her pussy sliding. She really liked it. But I could not enjoy it for long time because her pussy wasn't perfectly fresh epilated. Eventually cum with GREEK after long and exhaust pounding.

I kept her 4 hrs. One of the best sessions in my long mongering history. Damage 8000 (4 hrs) + 200 (taxi) + 2000 (GEEK). Not cheap, but I have not enough registers in my brain to calculate how much it would cost the same with such a young girls in Toronto.

Day 5. GIA.

No more experiments. GIA has proven itself as only reliable option in Kiev.

I booked Alexa. Totally different experience than Kristina.

She is quite new. GIA site honestly mentioned that Alexa is new. When she enter the door, my jaw dropped. I wouldn't say that she indescribable beauty. Yes, her face is beautiful, but not that is the main feature. She was so cute so my brain melted.

I will not describe her performance with all abbreviation. It did not look as the sex with the professional. I just copy-paste my review I posted on GIA website:

"Guys, do not book Alexa if you about long aggressive pounding. She is not PSE, she is true GFE. Not perfectly skilled but that makes no matter as you see her beautiful cute face. She is a tender flower for kissing, caressing, and pleasant passionate sex. The girl to remember every detail of the date. She brought my memory to the time of my first dates. Like a real girlfriend.

If you are looking for magazine style model with the ass sculptured in the fitness club, keep looking. If you prefer layback and let the girl do rest of job, keep searching. GIA has many options for both.

If you appreciate classic beauty, cuteness, and sophistication stop searching. Alexa is the one. BTW her English is perfect, and she can talk. ".

Damage 7000 (3 hrs) + 200 (taxi) + 300 (tip just because of so cute).

Conclusion. I'the rather pay more GIA than will keep experimenting with cheaper alternatives. I am not about longer relationships, so I did not try adventures with mamba / tinder girls. However I maybe will dedicate one day of the next venue to try "hidden" agency or maybe some indy. Just because of it is some gambling.

[Deer1234]

Hello,

I will arrive in KBP. I want to buy a SIM in KBP airport or in town. Which sort of SIM (mini, micro, or nano) is common in Kiev? I am thinking of buying an Android phone which is most suitable in Kiev.

[Misc123]

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/british-tourist-beaten-kyiv-allegedly-non-standard-appearance.html

[Uncle Volodya]

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Day 3. Hidden agency.

I employed search technology described here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2132916&viewfull=1#post2132916.

CThanks for the post. I am at the airport just coming back from Kiev. I wish I had read it earlier. I will post my (boring) experiences when I get back home.

Unfortunately I can't get the link to work. Can you repost?

My friend will still be in Kiev another week and I'd like to give him the info.

Thanks!

Uncle V.

[Jymondor]

Thanks for the post. I am at the airport just coming back from Kiev. I wish I had read it earlier. I will post my (boring) experiences when I get back home.

Unfortunately I can't get the link to work. Can you repost?

My friend will still be in Kiev another week and I'd like to give him the info.

Thanks!

Uncle V.Just scroll down to the post #17696.

[Jymondor]

Hello,

I will arrive in KBP. I want to buy a SIM in KBP airport or in town. Which sort of SIM (mini, micro, or nano) is common in Kiev? I am thinking of buying an Android phone which is most suitable in Kiev.As you buy SIM card in Kiev, all three sizes will be in the package.

[Howie]

By that reason, I am looking for Plan B in case if FKK industry will decline. So, this venue was more like "market research". I went from the basics to the top. Started with 1200/ HR indy, and ended up with GIA.


Similar to yourself, the German FKK's are not doing it for me lately so I'm off on a side excursion to Ukraine next week. Lviv (2 days) and Kiev (5 days) to try out the scene again. The last time I was back in Kiev was during the River Palace days back in 2009.

Did you try out Relax Portal whilst you were in Kiev? A lot of the ads seems to good to be true.

Anyone know if Andreii (the guide) is still working? Thinking of giving him a call to set me up with some of what Kiev can offer. Read good things about him.

Howie.

[Jymondor]

Similar to yourself, the German FKK's are not doing it for me lately so I'm off on a side excursion to Ukraine next week. Lviv (2 days) and Kiev (5 days) to try out the scene again. The last time I was back in Kiev was during the River Palace days back in 2009.

Did you try out Relax Portal whilst you were in Kiev? A lot of the ads seems to good to be true.

Anyone know if Andreii (the guide) is still working? Thinking of giving him a call to set me up with some of what Kiev can offer. Read good things about him.

Howie.

Hi Howie,

Your nickname looks familiar from FKK threads.

I just returned from FKK Sharks. Quiet Sunday, expectedly thin LU, but I managed two fabulous rooms. Well known Kenyan Ellie and relatively new milfy Cornelia with outstanding performance without upselling. I enjoyed there yesterday and planning to be tomorrow. After five straight days mongering in Kiev, this is quite of change. Sharks still works perfectly for me. I cannot say whether is worse or better than Kiev. It is impossible to compare. Totally different things.

Yes, I went through the ads on Relax portal. It is one of many very similar resources. They might have a different design, but one key feature is common for all of them: if something there looks TGTBT it means not true. I communicate with the guys on Kiev-x forum. Local dudes post reports about their experience with the prostitutes. Usually, they targeting lower price level, but some mongering up to 2000 UAH / HR. 90% reports there are negative. I found from that communicating that 95+% ad pictures are fake. Some pictures are real but they could be taken few years ago, and now that woman is not really the young girl looking from the photo. According common opinion menuet dot biz is more honest than others. But it doesn't mean that menuet is totally honest.

Most of the working girls keep their occupation in deep secret. This is the common excuse why pictures are fake. They honestly say that posted picture is very close to how I look. But realistically girl on the photo looks much better and younger.

Rule of thumb: if you see girl that looks like a model and picture taken in the spectacular interior with the fully open face be sure this is fake. You might trust a bit pictures with the girls hiding their faces turning head away or with the hair. Picures taken in the modest interiors. However, girls and pimps are getting smarter. They steal girls' selfies from FB or Vkontakte. The most stupid keep posting pornstars that can be easily found on tineye. Smarter ones use stolen photos.

I don't believe in miracles and don't hope to find an affordable gem on the sites like relax-portal.

Just think this way. If girl is as young and as beautiful as GIA or RIO / Dolls $200+/ HR girls why she would sell her body for 1000 UAH.

My conclusions is: do not trust TGTBT pictures and sweet description. Do not believe if girl's page found under the checkmark "Only checked photo". This is a paid service. I don't remember on which particular site I found photo of Emily Bloom marked as "checked". I wouldn't mind to fuck Emily Bloom for 1500 UAH / HR, bur regrettably is not likely possible.

Sorry if I killed your sweet dreams. However, I hope I saved your money.

I don't know who Andrej is.

Good hunting.

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...Anyone know if Andreii (the guide) is still working? Thinking of giving him a call to set me up with some of what Kiev can offer. Read good things about him...Someone within the last year posted comments that Andrei's service quality declined considerably. Must be some kind of distraction in his life. Please share your experience, if you decide contacting him regardless.

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...if something there looks TGTBT it means not true...

Most of the working girls keep their occupation in deep secret. This is the common excuse why pictures are fake. They honestly say that posted picture is very close to how I look. But realistically girl on the photo looks much better and younger.

Rule of thumb: if you see girl that looks like a model and picture taken in the spectacular interior with the fully open face be sure this is fake. You might trust a bit pictures with the girls hiding their faces turning head away or with the hair. Picures taken in the modest interiors...Good explanation. Students may have relatives, classmates, careers, better sponsors long-term sponsors ahead of them. Therefore they hide their real faces.

Few years ago I met one very energetic 18 yo. She did the opposite: posted her own pic with open face and more, and then claimed that this was a photo-modeling session sold for money for call-girls to use, and she didn't sell herself any other way, that she was a wealthy lady above all that nonsense. I knew for sure the opposite was true. She did everything.

Anyway. Here are a few with blurred faces and such, but pic are real. More important, I thoroughly enjoyed each one of them:

Kira. Redhead. Maybe 6-7 in her looks, but 10+ in attitude. One of the very few hourly girls, that I decided to extend one more hour right away. Website states she's working as an individual, but that's a lie, easy to figure out via Excel algorithm. The phone number listed is a well known agency. Maybe she works from her own location, and uses them as dispatchers, - I didn't care:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/12430

Next is Mika. Again, phone number. Different agency. If she is not 8-9, then I don't know who is. 5'11", gorgeous, analog, unbelievable. I asked her how she prefers: doggie or missionary. She chose the latter. And when she came in the most beautiful way, I literally thought: "Is it truly me making love to this woman?

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11022

And Milana, not sure if I posted her here yet. She made me go for long-long time, praising along the way, but not letting me stop, or even slow down. Looks- 6/7, but incomparable:

http://kievlady.com/modeli/11097

I recall Vitrea here ordered Elvira from GIA, and disappointed by the looks, sent her back without sampling. Well, IMHO that was a mistake. Elvira doesn't work for GIA anymore, but out of 8 or 10 that visited me from GIA, she was one of the most pleasing in bed. Admittedly, not as refined out of it, therefore I understand Vitrea reasoning, but I took her right away upon arrival, then before going to theater, and few times after. She performed in the most spectacular and enjoyable manner. Doesn't work for GIA now.

Milana reminds Elvira, super great in bed, doesn't look like much before that. Attractive, but not a model type.

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...Day 4. GIA.

I picked Kristina...

...I kept her 4 hrs. One of the best sessions in my long mongering history. Damage 8000 (4 hrs) + 200 (taxi) + 2000 (GEEK). Not cheap, but I have not enough registers in my brain to calculate how much it would cost the same with such a young girls in Toronto.

Day 5. GIA.

No more experiments. GIA has proven itself as only reliable option in Kiev.

I booked Alexa. Totally different experience than Kristina.

She is quite new. GIA site honestly mentioned that Alexa is new...

Conclusion. I'the rather pay more GIA than will keep experimenting with cheaper alternatives. I am not about longer relationships, so I did not try adventures with mamba / tinder girls. However I maybe will dedicate one day of the next venue to try "hidden" agency or maybe some indy. Just because of it is some gambling.Excellent honest report. Kiev is certainly a little different from Toronto).

Kristina is exactly as you described. A true treasure, not much of a talker. Sweet, shy, and rather active in missionary. Cannot forget her long legs stretched making a V in the air, while hearing her heavenly voice coming again and again. One of the best for making love to.

Alexa is different indeed. She is not that new, working at least since 2016, she did take a break from GiA though. I had great sessions with her, and also not so good. Sometimes Alexa is a little on the lazy side. Good to see her trying harder for customers. She is definitely gifted in many ways, including intellectual abilities, and knows how to use her best skills and qualities.

Sincerely glad you enjoyed it, and found time to post informative detailed report.

[Deer1234]

As you buy SIM card in Kiev, all three sizes will be in the package.How civilized! Thank you.

[DramaFree11]

This is my point. Why are the girls going to work for anything less than $100 an hour, when they can go to Rio or Gia, or go to another country. Maybe if your are doing the street game, but highly unlikely for High End Girl for anything less.

Also, girls have many other options to make money in Kiev, They can do the dating sites, write letter and do video chat!! They can easily make $15-25 an hour and no sex, in the states that is nothing, but in Kiev that is a lot. I am not talking about top level girl just normal girls.

I just do not understand why guys go to bang a 5 or 6's, in Kiev and pay top dollar. Yes, they will go to your apartment and tell you are the best thing in the world, since sliced bread. If you are into this, then I guess it is okay. I have traveled all over the world and I am average guy, with a nice budget, but I never pay more then $200. I can go to any country and bang 7 and 8's, with occasional 9, probably never had a 10. I guess most guys would rate these girls as 10's, but they are not. In Kiev now it is almost impossible now to get anything above 6, but your are paying between 100-200 hour, plus travel expenses, this is big waist of money. You can bang top level girl in many countries if this is your budget.


Hi Howie,

Your nickname looks familiar from FKK threads.

I just returned from FKK Sharks. Quiet Sunday, expectedly thin LU, but I managed two fabulous rooms. Well known Kenyan Ellie and relatively new milfy Cornelia with outstanding performance without upselling. I enjoyed there yesterday and planning to be tomorrow. After five straight days mongering in Kiev, this is quite of change. Sharks still works perfectly for me. I cannot say whether is worse or better than Kiev. It is impossible to compare. Totally different things.

Yes, I went through the ads on Relax portal. It is one of many very similar resources. They might have a different design, but one key feature is common for all of them: if something there looks TGTBT it means not true. I communicate with the guys on Kiev-x forum. Local dudes post reports about their experience with the prostitutes..

[DramaFree11]

Nice, the redhead is cute. Sorry the other girls are marginal, but looks like you are having fun!


Good explanation. Students may have relatives, classmates, careers, better sponsors long-term sponsors ahead of them. Therefore they hide their real faces.

Few years ago I met one very energetic 18 yo. She did the opposite: posted her own pic with open face and more, and then claimed that this was a photo-modeling session sold for money for call-girls to use, and she didn't sell herself any other way, that she was a wealthy lady above all that nonsense. I knew for sure the opposite was true. She did everything.

Anyway. Here are a few with blurred faces and such, but pic are real. More important, I thoroughly enjoyed each one of them:.

[PhotoSlider]

How civilized! Thank you.All types of SIMs are available at Point of Sale. Sometimes they simply cut larger SIM cards with punch-cutters right there in front of you to make a smaller one. Kyivstar is one of the local carriers. There's a big office on Kreshchatyk next to Passage and another one in Bessarabsky Market. Smaller kiosk are all over Kiev.

There could be a waiting line at the Airport. I have my driver / events manager bring the SIM cards to the airport. Send me PM please, if you want his phone / Viber number. Reliable guy, speaks English. I do not benefit from referencing him.

[Jymondor]

Alexa is different indeed. She is not that new, working at least since 2016, she did take a break from GiA though. I had great sessions with her, and also not so good. Sometimes Alexa is a little on the lazy side. Good to see her trying harder for customers. I wouldn't say that Alexa tried harder for me. She just let me try harder on her. I can accommodate many types of the girls. I test the girls first few minutes to understand what type is she. First of all, I decide whether to keep her more than one hour or not. If I am going to keep her, the next decision, what I will do next. Variants:

1. Relax and follow the girls. Sometimes it could be an exciting experience. It works with the enthusiastic experienced girls.

2. Take initiative and force PSE session. Works with different types of girls, but each girl has her own limits. The session could be totally ruined if I overestimate girl's suitability for hardcore action.

3. Turn it to the play and show the girls tricks I learned around the world. My favourite type of session. It works for the enthusiastic girls regardless of experience. The session with Kristina was like that. She liked to learn pussy slide but did not accept forced BBBJ a.k.a. face-fucking, which is more suitable for the Variant 2.

4. Make it nice and soft in GND stile. It works for lazy and passive but good looking sensual girls like Alexa. The main condition of this variant: the girls must be sweet enough to get pleasure kissing and caressing her.

5. Go out with the girl for a dinner after the first pop and then back to the bed. Works for nice looking good talkers. Usually, this is a perfect stimulation for more enthusiastic second part of the date.

This strategy really helps. The session is always disappointing if it does not meet the expectation. So I make my expectation at the beginning and build my session accordingly. If the girl is so lousy so I cannot imagine what she can be used for, I let her go as pre-paid hour expires.

Usually, I book a girl for 16:00 or 17:00. This gives me another chance in case if the arrived girl is useless.

Actually this is beauty of the mongering. Some gambling. Like a Pocker game. Not always you get the cards you want to see. But you can play and win if the strategy is right.

[Jymondor]

This is my point. Why are the girls going to work for anything less than $100 an hour, when they can go to Rio or Gia, or go to another country. Maybe if your are doing the street game, but highly unlikely for High End Girl for anything less.I spoke to GIA / RIO girls. There is screening there with many candidates for one position. Also, GIA / RIO girls publically show their faces. Not many girls can step over that.

Many Ukrainian girls work abroad. But they cannot work in EU countries legally.


Also, girls have many other options to make money in Kiev, They can do the dating sites, write letter and do video chat!! They can easily make $15-25 an hour and no sex, in the states that is nothing, but in Kiev that is a lot. I am not talking about top level girl just normal girls.$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that.


I just do not understand why guys go to bang a 5 or 6's, in Kiev and pay top dollar. Yes, they will go to your apartment and tell you are the best thing in the world, since sliced bread. If you are into this, then I guess it is okay. I have traveled all over the world and I am average guy, with a nice budget, but I never pay more then $200. I can go to any country and bang 7 and 8's, with occasional 9, probably never had a 10. I guess most guys would rate these girls as 10's, but they are not. In Kiev now it is almost impossible now to get anything above 6, but your are paying between 100-200 hour, plus travel expenses, this is big waist of money. You can bang top level girl in many countries if this is your budget.I cannot say for all. But I pay top dollars for my convenience. I don't want any obligations or any relationships longer than the paid time of the session.

I cannot go to any country to find nice looking girls at the affordable price. My destinations dictated by the business needs.

I do not sort girls with the 1 to 10 scale. There are quite a few 9+ looking girls in German FKK clubs. Price is the same as for lower class girls. But I do not hunt them. Visually I can see them in all details sitting on the sofa in the main area. In most of the cases, beauties are poor performers because they can make good money only being beautiful. "Optickfickers" pay just being in the room with them. Many of beauties do not kiss and even do not let touch the pussy from outside. If the girl is a top looker and acceptable performer there is a long line of the waiting men. She barely seen in the main area. Evita at FKK Sharks is an example.

I remember only one top looker I managed a couple good session. She kissed under conditions that session is one hour or more. I employed Variant 4 from my previous post. It was Nastia at FKK Sharks. There are many posts about her at the Sharks thread including mine. She is not there anymore.

I was hunting beauties in the past. But now I am OK with the young pretty girls. Not sure where they are on that scale. Alexa looks way better than Kristina. But time with Kristina was much better than with Alexa.

Of course, I am not talking about uglies. In my standards, the girl's face must be kissable, body nice and firm. She can be shorter or taller, breast of any size, but not saggy. I cannot tolerate bad overweight. Also, pussy type is important to me. Fortunately, GIA website describes the pussy type. So the pussy type was a part of the decision to chose Kristina and Alexa.

[PhotoSlider]

...Usually, I book a girl for 16:00 or 17:00. This gives me another chance in case if the arrived girl is useless.

Actually this is beauty of the mongering. Some gambling. Like a Pocker game. Not always you get the cards you want to see. But you can play and win if the strategy is right.Great way to put it. We certainly have a lot in common.

#3 I tried on MILF. She paid back and more! I am not sure who was teaching who, because at the end of our second date she cranked it up, and I could barely catch up with her stamina.

Kristina for me was more like GND, #4 in your classification. I liked her so much, that I didn't dare to push for rough, there was a hint from me, which she declined in the most elegant manner. Love them peasant girls turning into ladies after a year or two in Kiev. I am actually curious, how would you rate Kristina's beauty 1-10? I would say face to face in missionary she is at least a 9. Eyes like magnets, young tender breasts, fresh skin, delicious nipples, and those curves all over her body! Although, if I was to meet her in the street, I would say 6.

Alexa is perhaps 7-8 looks, and anywhere from 3 to 8-9 performance, depending on her mood.

To be honest, not too many girls are truly beautiful at GIA, but there's some assured level of class and decency, it is not going to be less that 6 in looks, and performance often is inversely proportional to physical beauty.

Here is Elvira, I mentioned few posts below. When I first met her in a cheap long dress and high heels, I had serious doubts, but promiscuity took over, and we started kissing in the elevator on the way up to my apartment. She is only 5'3" and knows she has to work hard to gain credibility, which she did, making me above and beyond being happy before proceeding with #5 in your classification (Theater with food and drinks, and then back to apartment):

http://ua-sex.com/girl/664

I would rate Elvira up-close beauty (in lingerie right next to me, while moaning from being fingered) at least at 8, and performance at 8-9. I would give her 5-6 in the street. Such is my twisted mind, I find some ladies more beautiful, when they are in my arms ready to be taken.

5'9" - 6'0" girls certainly touch vanity, but I like creative short girls just fine. Personality goes a long way. And in terms of personality here comes Bogdana. Also not at GIA anymore, but boy could she fuck! Her usual trick was saying: "Why did you stop? Don't you like me?

http://ua-sex.com/girl/535

Bogdana was 6-7 both in my kitchen, and in my bedroom. She scored 9-10 on performance. My rectus femoris (front thigh muscles) were hurting after pumping her. She also half-jokingly complained about inner thighs shaking and aching after a long doggie and CG. She left GIA over a year ago.

There is Veronika. Recently returned to GIA, disappeared, returned, and disappeared again few days ago, maybe misbehaved and got kicked out after customer complaints, maybe went for a long trip with someone, maybe had too much from one of us. Like Alexa, she enjoys it some, but mostly works there for money (aren't they all? 8-9 looks in and out, bubble butt, great breasts, long legs. Pleasure while fucking her for the first time, just due to physical attributes. She is the only one at GIA though, that refused to kiss. Despite DFK stated on the website. And GIA doesn't have a surcharge for DFK, girls either do or do not, end of discussion. My lower head got the best of me, I decided to continue with Veronika after arrival, and would give her 8 for mating skills. Went for #5 (fuck, fuck again, then theater and nice restaurant), after which there was time for extra-curriculum activities, but I sent her away, because she has some insecurity in behavior, teenage inferiority even at 24 yo leading to attempts of patronizing, condescending behavior, which IMO is a big no-no in this Line of Business. Hence: Good-bye, Sweetie, and no more money for you:

http://ua-sex.com/girl/580

I see more and more suspicious reviews at GIA websites (the agency manages at least 4 or 5). Some customer reviews are obviously copy and paste done to lure more of us, some are marketing done by the girl herself, or on her behalf. It is a balancing act between pretending they are honest and objective, and the need to moderate. They certainly do not post every feedback. Girls themselves (Alexa) complained about the latter.

Would I use GIA girls during my next visit? I would do pocker / gambling first for 1300/2000 UAH from trusted agency first. Then learn mamba- it's about time! Then after having enough variety in the first few days call up my tried and true troops (well tested girlfriends of the past). And whenever in dire circumstances I would definitely call GIA. It is more of a sure thing, and due to progressive exponential scale it is cheaper for 6-10 hours, and especially for multiple days gigs.

Cheers!

[DramaFree11]

I agree about Rio / GIA, they are the best options in Kiev, but when you add in your travel expenses then they both start getting very expensive and I fell there are countries with better options. If you can afford them, then it is a good option. My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of. There are many Sams in Kiev and if you are not careful you can be taken advantage of very quickly.

As far as how much girls can make in Kiev you would be surprised, how much ex-girlfriends and here friends were making, in the dating industry. There is a lot of lonely guys out there.


I spoke to GIA / RIO girls. There is screening there with many candidates for one position. Also, GIA / RIO girls publically show their faces. Not many girls can step over that.

Many Ukrainian girls work abroad. But they cannot work in EU countries legally.

$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that.

I cannot say for all. But I pay top dollars for my convenience. I don't want any obligations or any relationships longer than the paid time of the session.

I cannot go to any country to find nice looking girls at the affordable price. My destinations dictated by the business needs..

[PhotoSlider]

...Alexa looks way better than Kristina. But time with Kristina was much better than with Alexa...You nailed it, man! Agree on all points in your post, including the criteria for selecting escorts.

Alexa is cute. Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).

There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?

[Jymondor]

Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).Bingo! This is exactly the reason why I stop hunting beauties. As you pull girl's face closer to your eyes impression totally changed. Face lines and proportions do not matter anymore. Smiling eyes is that what you see. If girl's eyes do not smile while kissing the chance of good date is low. I've been in the situations when I start kissing real beauty but her eyes are dead, the face looks not as beautiful as from the distance. Kristina is the perfect example how much better the face can look if it is closer. Also, kissing Kristina I don't see her teeth. She definitely needs the brackets.


There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.

[Jymondor]

My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of. In my experience moneywise the best options are FKK in NRW. Say Acapulco in Velbert. 35 Euros entrance and 40 Euros 1/2 hrs with the girl. There is a selection there for any test. Much less upselling than in Hessen. I cannot guarantee the wedding night at 40 Euros, but I managed many good sessions there. I quit visiting NRW for the Frankfurt clubs. More $$ but much better facilities in terms of staying. Better wellness, better food, better main area. Girls are totally naked and this is important to me too. In NRW girls wear at least something. But not a huge difference in the lineups.

I keep trying affordable options in Kiev. I am sure it is possible to find acceptable variants.

[PhotoSlider]

...I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3

[PhotoSlider]

...$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that...Very few girls are lucky to earn that much. That's why prices are still competitive, and gentlemen keep traveling to Ukraine. Some have adequate fun returning with elevated spirits, some feel misguided, cheated and deceived. Such is life.

Every Ukrainian girl is dreaming about making $15-25/ hour or more on a consistent basis, and they are spreading rumors, trying to force prospective buyers of their commodities to think that way.

Reality is far from that. Some work as city tour guides, translators, webcam models, travel companions. Most of the time it is short gigs here and there in constant pursuit of reliable male provider for their manicure spa and other ongoing expenses, because we do want our ladies to look great, don't we? That is why girls juggle short-term customers, cancel cheaper dates in favor of more lucrative ones, and try to hook up with longer-term sponsor without forgoing the daily hunting routine. One of the best GIA girls explained it matter-of-factly: "I will visit you from time to time when you are here. And when you are away, and I need money, - I simply make a call".

Moments of fun and glory do not last that long for these ladies. Up until 25-28 on average, depending on self-discipline. It is similar to life in professional sports, and by that age they either have to have a reliable sugar daddy, or get married, or gain sufficient financial freedom by having private residence and certain bank account. Not a simple task for a young person.

[Mexican Lover]

Hi,

Well I would suggest that try your luck on a girl-to-girl basis. Often you can call and ask the operator, but when you are wiht the girl, it really comes down to the "vibe" you have with the girl.

No guarantees, but you try and worse case scenario, she may say no.


Thanks for the report.

I have a stupid question.

In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".

But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.

I am of course looking for french kisses.

I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.

Can you share the contact of the apartment (website? Where you paid 1000 UAH?

[Member #4722]

I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3I posted a report on a Rio girl and within an hour she had contacted me asking about what I had written. Someone in the club told her. Assume anything written on this forum could get back to the source.

[PhotoSlider]

I posted a report on a Rio girl and within an hour she had contacted me asking about what I had written. Someone in the club told her. Assume anything written on this forum could get back to the source.Thank you for the warning. I suspected that much. Did not hear the same about GIA yet.

AFAIK GIA girls do not work at Rio, and vise versa, but they communicate. I took one of the GIA girls to Rio, because she tried having an attitude) and I was drunk. Her friend was not working that night.

I suppose, plausible deniability is the way to go. Trying to keep it neutral and anonymous enough.

[Jymondor]

I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?

Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.

This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.

A3Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.

This is an agency. Girls are not permitted even exchange phone numbers with the customers and they follow that rule.

I asked one GIA girl whether management knows how long was the session, or not. She answered they know. She didn't want to share any details. But I guess that GIA management is watching girls at their phone locations. One girl in Moscow while ago told me that her management watches girls that way. The girls must keep the phone with the turned ON location service all the time. So I would assume that GIA could employ the same technology.

I hope we can trust that agency and the privacy will be kept. However, I never use my business phone for the mongering. I have an unlocked phone and SIM cards for all countries I hunting girls.

[PhotoSlider]

1. Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.

2. This is an agency. Girls are not permitted even exchange phone numbers with the customers and they follow that rule.

3. I asked one GIA girl whether management knows how long was the session, or not. She answered they know. She didn't want to share any details. But I guess that GIA management is watching girls at their phone locations. One girl in Moscow while ago told me that her management watches girls that way. The girls must keep the phone with the turned ON location service all the time. So I would assume that GIA could employ the same technology.

4.I hope we can trust that agency and the privacy will be kept. However, I never use my business phone for the mongering. I have an unlocked phone and SIM cards for all countries I hunting girls.1. True.

2. False.

3. What a "great" suggestion for GIA management! Too bad you can not delete it.

4. Obviously. Good precaution. I do not use neither my business nor personal. Have 2 mongerphones, and a stack of SIM cards).

[PhotoSlider]

Nice, the redhead is cute. Sorry the other girls are marginal, but looks like you are having fun!Hi DramaFree11,

Thanks for sharing your point of view. Post or point to your positive reports, if there are any. Preferably with pictures of high-end models you and your friends had for peanuts while traveling all over the world. Contribute to the Forum in the meaningful way, if you care about mongers safety, satisfaction and best bang for the buck!

Not a long time ago respected members Rog123 and MagicSheep listed here great places they visited. Not countries, - locations, such as cities and towns. Very enlightening! Please post yours, be more specific, if you could.

[PhotoSlider]

Definitely, GIA girls are homegrown. Not necessarily raised in Kiev but in Ukraine.I didn't ask about girls. The question was about skill of those who manages them. Not even dispatchers on the phone or email. Decision makers above everybody. Who decides on how to run the shop? General manager of the team so to speak.

I would expect they are local. Still am curious. Not in a critical way though.

[Jojosun]

I The question was about skill of those who manages them. Not even dispatchers on the phone or email. Decision makers above everybody. Who decides on how to run the shop? General manager of the team so to speak.

I would expect they are local. Still am curious. Not in a critical way though.Hi PhotoSlider,

There was a discussion about GIA and its set up on here going back 6 or 7 years ago.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2507-Kiev-Escorts/page9

And they do monitor what gets posted on their girls.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2507-Kiev-Escorts/page3

[PhotoSlider]

Hi PhotoSlider,

1. There was a discussion about GIA and its set up on here going back 6 or 7 years ago.

2. And they do monitor what gets posted on their girls.1. Thanks for the reference, Jojosun. Interesting reading. Whoever manages GIA now is doing OK due to competition, they also must to try harder in order to retain the talent at sufficient level. Not outstanding, but not too terrible nowadays.

I wouldn't call GIA the best option. Far from that. Perhaps 4 minus on the scale 1 to 5. They are expensive no matter how you look at it, but that's not the problem. They are not available 24 x 7. Phone dispatchers do not seem to enjoy what they are doing at all, there's also soviet style "I don't care. You will pay anyway" attitude towards serviced customers.

Girls short the time previously agreed upon. Not all of them would take your breath away with their beauty. Some are simply GND, cute student, no more. Not all are dressed properly, even when requested. Both dress, and lingerie. Advertised services are not always provided. BBBJ, DFK and other options declined with silly made up explanations based on personal preferences or simply being lazy. Some of the girls had skin problems, not repulsive, but definitely not consistent with the portrayed image of exclusive goddesses taking tired experienced travelers straight to heaven.

Same old, no matter where you are. Kiev or somewhere else on the planet. Dream is sold online, - it's up to us to believe it or not, and up to every girl to perform convincingly. Maybe 50% of GIA girls I would ever return to, considering the available alternatives. Nothing new. I have been more content with 1800-2000 UAH 24 x 7 call girls for a quickie. Certainly had better value in terms of price / quality ratio with old acquaintances, when doing more than few hours.

Despite the above complaints, at least one GIA girl has been an amazing actress. Brings a smile to my face every time I think of her. We did very long and happy time together. There is no substitute for a great looking 20 yo, having a real orgasm.

2. GIA surely moderates their own multiple websites. They lie there routinely, everybody does in Sales. It seems few years back they also monitored and even had laughable attempts to affect opinions of ISG regular participants. Perhaps they still monitor ISG, but shifted their efforts towards controlled environment of gia dot la and such.

[DramaFree11]

Not sure, I would give it a negative 4, probably a 2, very funny, but true.


1. Thanks for the reference, Jojosun. Interesting reading. Whoever manages GIA now is doing OK due to competition, they also must to try harder in order to retain the talent at sufficient level. Not outstanding, but not too terrible nowadays.

I wouldn't call GIA the best option. Far from that. Perhaps 4 minus on the scale 1 to 5. They are expensive no matter how you look at it, but that's not the problem. They are not available 24 x 7. Phone dispatchers do not seem to enjoy what they are doing at all, there's also soviet style "I don't care. You will pay anyway" attitude towards serviced customers.

Girls short the time previously agreed upon. Not all of them would take your breath away with their beauty. Some are simply GND, cute student, no more. Not all are dressed properly, even when requested. Both dress, and lingerie. Advertised services are not always provided. BBBJ, DFK and other options declined with silly made up explanations based on personal preferences or simply being lazy. Some of the girls had skin problems, not repulsive, but definitely not consistent with the portrayed image of exclusive goddesses taking tired experienced travelers straight to heaven..

[PhotoSlider]

This is a quote from another ISG forum thread. Can you guess what is the location? Does it remind you anything? Hehehe.


...Reading comments from members from this and other ISG sites, sometimes these reports are depressing. How many times have you read a report that says this place has lost it. Years ago the P4P here was at its peak but now it sux. Did you ever wonder if ten years from now, comments would be WOW the last ten years have been great but now P4P sux. In 1965 while sailing through the China sea my ship made a 10 day stop and anchored out in the Hong Kong harbor. If you have been there then when I say. Go to the rooftops -you get a little tingle but when I mention the nobbie broads at the pier, well now you have a little smile on your face. This was your last chance to get a little relief before returning to ship. Cost 50 cents.

My point is even if the nobbie broads exist today how far would 50 c get you. Oh lord I miss the old days.Some think Kiev is empty and dry already. I think it is at least three quarters full, and the drink is not only palatable, but very much enjoyable and delicious. Always been going at least 150-200 years back, according to my research, probably much longer. Bring another glass please!

[Jymondor]

I wouldn't call GIA the best option. Perhaps, the most predictable option.

[Riina]

I look at the Gia site about once a week to familiarize myself with the girls. Probably every Kiev monger does the same. If they get a new girl and she's the right age and body type, I feel the risk / reward is well worth the inflated price. I met Natasha on her first day and know how difficult it is to find a girl that would fuck like that. I also met Zlata at a discounted rate and it was just awesome. It's unlikely I would pay full price to one of the girls that's been around awhile. Exception would be Ksusha, young skinny blond. That's hard to resist.

Rio's the same thing. but that venue requires time and money to really know the girls.

[PhotoSlider]

Perhaps, the most predictable option.In terms of girls attitude definitely agree. They value employment at GIA, certain safety and level of clientele guided towards them by management, and in the last year or two being treated as human beings, more or less. Many of them are students, the best type for myself. Pictures are real. Some are photoshopped, but difference is not that huge. Unblurred versions with visible face are available for 80%+ of the girls.

Sometimes I like the hunting factor, going beyond GIA convenience and predictability, you called it poker gambling: getting a phone number from the restaurant hostess at Avalon, or a buffet girl at the Opera, arranging for a real date with great looking young lady doing my haircut. Retiring to bed late at night, and not knowing what tomorrow will bring, yet being fascinated again and again. Or having insurmountable task to chose between Alisa and Larisa, while Sasha just came out of nowhere on Viber, that is the ultimate Kiev!

[PhotoSlider]

...I met Natasha on her first day and know how difficult it is to find a girl that would fuck like that. I also met Zlata at a discounted rate and it was just awesome. It's unlikely I would pay full price to one of the girls that's been around awhile. Exception would be Ksusha, young skinny blond. That's hard to resist...Maestro Riina certainly knows a thing or two about Kiev pleasures and sightseeing! Can not even find the right words to describe how great the above ladies were at GIA).

[PhotoSlider]

Not sure, I would give it a negative 4, probably a 2, very funny, but true.4 minus means three and a half, certainly not negative 4.

Who did you meet at GIA, DramaFree11, so that Forum has more substance from all vantage points, more representative statistical set so to speak?

[PhotoSlider]

...It's unlikely I would pay full price to one of the girls that's been around awhile...Sorry for kicking the dead horse, but GIA discount is fake. Right now few 5000 UAH girls advertised as 4500 UAH. $20 off. However only the first hour is discounted. When ordering 4 or 8 or 12 hours, this discount doesn't matter. 9500 or 10000 UAH at 4 hours still translates into only 20 bucks difference. Good marketing trick. For existing customers it can also be requested over the phone. I usually give it to the girl upon arrival anyway.

Age of GIA beauties is routinely decreased by couple years.

Agree with your approach of waiting and snatching the new ones. This makes it almost like a call girl random dice, except she already went through the GIA Quality Control. Not sure if that QC is ever done internally, or implicitly delegated to us.

[DramaFree11]

I gave it 2, I would never pay $175-250, for a girl in Kiev, insane. I dated semi-pros and they were my friends I would never post there pictures. Sorry.


4 minus means three and a half, certainly not negative 4.

Who did you meet at GIA, DramaFree11, so that Forum has more substance from all vantage points, more representative statistical set so to speak?

[PhotoSlider]

1.I gave it 2, I would never pay $175-250, for a girl in Kiev, insane.

2.I dated semi-pros and they were my friends I would never post their pictures. Sorry.1. Would you pay $10/ hour for GIA girl over few days? Rhetoric question.

2. Certainly respect that. I should not have posted either, even if they were not friends. Poor decision on my side.

[Jymondor]

Sorry for kicking the dead horse, but GIA discount is fake. Not GIA only. Usually, all discounts are fakes or traps, regardless what you are buying: girls' time, car, or grocery. Discounts are not to save you money. All discounts are to make you spend more.

[MrTorsken]

Hi!

I'm having a layover in Kiev in a couple of weeks and I was looking for someone to occupy my time with. Is this ad fake or real?

http://localescorts.com/pin/%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F%E2%9D%A4%EF%B8%8F380934468405-anna-only-real-photo-independent-22/