Kyiv

[KushyKush]

Also tried tried 2 contacts on mamba. The first girl was one in pics but probably 2 years later. Same girl, not same quality though. Turned her away at the door with taxi fee and small tip.

Second girl wanted me to meet at hers, I said my place and I'll pay for taxi she said cash at door. I said 1/3rd payment first, remainder 2 hours later after all done. She said no, I said bye.

[NorskKing]

I have been solo traveler most of my life for this hobby. But I'm getting older and was thinking it would be nice to have a fellow monger as a wingman. I am not boring to have a drink with and I'll be in Kiev on 30 and 31st may. Please PM me if you want to talk, drink and set a good mood for my attempt to find some freelancers or visit some strip clubs. Please don't judge me when I said strip clubs (I RTFF) and still think that these are relaxing setup to watch naked girls and talk to them if you have little self control. Which I surely do, without being cheap.

[DramaFree11]

Welcome to Ukraine, unfortunately this is the norm not the exception, just not reported that often. Kiev takes a lot of time, hard work and money, even then chances of success are unlikely, especially with GIA closing.

Also tried tried 2 contacts on mamba. The first girl was one in pics but probably 2 years later. Same girl, not same quality though. Turned her away at the door with taxi fee and small tip.

Second girl wanted me to meet at hers, I said my place and I'll pay for taxi she said cash at door. I said 1/3rd payment first, remainder 2 hours later after all done. She said no, I said bye.

[KushyKush]

Yeah, definitely seeing that. Will probably stick with the strip clubs as I only have 3-4 days every 2-3 years to enjoy this and prefer not wasting my time with bait / switches (it just ends up puss I pissing me off). Bargained a girl from Scarlette last night. 21, name is Mari. Beautiful girl switch one of the tightest bodies I've ever seen. Had some kinks too. Good time with anal. Considering doing a repeat with her but hard too with so many girls.


Welcome to Ukraine, unfortunately this is the norm not the exception, just not reported that often. Kiev takes a lot of time, hard work and money, even then chances of success are unlikely, especially with GIA closing.

Also tried tried 2 contacts on mamba. The first girl was one in pics but probably 2 years later. Same girl, not same quality though. Turned her away at the door with taxi fee and small tip.

Second girl wanted me to meet at hers, I said my place and I'll pay for taxi she said cash at door. I said 1/3rd payment first, remainder 2 hours later after all done. She said no, I said bye.

[NorskKing]

Could you please care to share how much your takeout at Scarlett cost. This will help me decide, how heavy I need to keep my pockets in my visit.


Yeah, definitely seeing that. Will probably stick with the strip clubs as I only have 3-4 days every 2-3 years to enjoy this and prefer not wasting my time with bait / switches (it just ends up puss I pissing me off). Bargained a girl from Scarlette last night. 21, name is Mari. Beautiful girl switch one of the tightest bodies I've ever seen. Had some kinks too. Good time with anal. Considering doing a repeat with her but hard too with so many girls.

[Coyle]

Hey fellas,

Does anybody know how to find the contact of former GIA girls?

I miss some of them and want to spend days and nights again with them.

How can find these girls?

[Stakan]

I have been solo traveler most of my life for this hobby. But I'm getting older and was thinking it would be nice to have a fellow monger as a wingman. I am not boring to have a drink with and I'll be in Kiev on 30 and 31st may. Please PM me if you want to talk, drink and set a good mood for my attempt to find some freelancers or visit some strip clubs. Please don't judge me when I said strip clubs (I RTFF) and still think that these are relaxing setup to watch naked girls and talk to them if you have little self control. Which I surely do, without being cheap.I'm in Kiev around same time and would be glad to join. I cannot PM you now since my ISG-subscription ran out and credit card payment didn't go through, probably due to this site's SSL-certificate expiration. When and where do you want to meet up? I can post my burner mobile-nr here for us to get in contact and if this site's policies allow. Just let me know.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm in Kiev around same time and would be glad to join. I cannot PM you now since my ISG-subscription ran out and credit card payment didn't go through, probably due to this site's SSL-certificate expiration. When and where do you want to meet up? I can post my burner mobile-nr here for us to get in contact and if this site's policies allow. Just let me know.Do not believe policy allows posting phone number in the Forum. Need PM access.

It is not SSL cert expiration. There is an announcement at the very top of this page, including alternative forms of payment, but you do not have time.

[Michi T]

Also tried tried 2 contacts on mamba. The first girl was one in pics but probably 2 years later. Same girl, not same quality though. Turned her away at the door with taxi fee and small tip.

Second girl wanted me to meet at hers, I said my place and I'll pay for taxi she said cash at door. I said 1/3rd payment first, remainder 2 hours later after all done. She said no, I said bye.Loool, did the girl on the photos really exist? I am in contact with a "girl"? From RUSSIA that uses the very same photos!

[Michi T]

Welcome to Ukraine, unfortunately this is the norm not the exception, just not reported that often. Kiev takes a lot of time, hard work and money, even then chances of success are unlikely, especially with GIA closing.

Also tried tried 2 contacts on mamba. The first girl was one in pics but probably 2 years later. Same girl, not same quality though. Turned her away at the door with taxi fee and small tip.

Second girl wanted me to meet at hers, I said my place and I'll pay for taxi she said cash at door. I said 1/3rd payment first, remainder 2 hours later after all done. She said no, I said bye.I don't agree. Kiev not harder than other places. My experience: in night clubts, discos, etc very difficult. On the street talking during day time possible, especially if together with a wingman, I will be back in Kiev on 23 June.

[Guntherus]

Loool, did the girl on the photos really exist? I am in contact with a "girl"? From RUSSIA that uses the very same photos!I can confirm that the second girl (two photos) existed in Kiev last November. I believe she comes from outside Kiev, but has a "brother" (aka pimp) in Kiev. Nice girl and was reliable, for what it's worth to others. Well, fuck it, she may have given me the clam.

[PhotoSlider]

...taking about double listing, check this girl she is on both Kiev and Moscow Mamba. Fishy.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1758027804?sp=2

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1755544162Ukrainian girls still travel to Moscow to make money. But more likely one of these (or both) is using fake photos.

Interesting choice of name- Anna Chapman was a Russian spy arrested in NYC in 2009, and subsequently exchanged in 2010.

Friend of mine after leaving Kiev did a portfolio photo session in Moscow and claimed selling it for others to use. Her portraits were all over the Moscow under multiple names, ages, sizes, etcetera.

[El Tiburon]

What are the pick up areas in Kiev? Are there bars or clubs where the pros hang out regularly and available for tourists to pick up like regular mongering joints? I do not want to go through expensive agencies or strip clubs.

[Sorbonne]

Yea, doesn't look good for GIA.

https://prm.ua/ru/v-kieve-rabotnitsyi-eskort-servisa-vtyanuli-20-devushek-v-zanyatie-prostitutsiey/

Wow, it is amazing. I didn't know about it until today.

I noticed today for the first time Gia had been down all day and initially thought Gia had not complied with GDPR.

Just spent 5 nights in Kiev 18/5-23/5, but this time I didn't have to use Gia.

I guess this is the end of Gia, which might mean the end of an era in Kiev in a sense, LOL.

Over years I had some of the best times in Kiev with their girls.

These are 2 of the most memorable.

[Sorbonne]

As I work online, I'm now finally getting close to moving to Ukraine.

At this time I'm looking into a smaller city than Kiev.

I don't mind discussing this topic here, but if expats here and those who are considering moving to Ukraine feel more comfortable, please pm me.

[Jojosun]

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/liverpool-fans-attacked-video-hooligans-kiev-champions-league-final-2018-watch-a8368446.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/bloodied-liverpool-fan-handcuffed-manhandled-12592990

Who wants to longer in Kiev this Weekend?

[TeFab456]

Tonight is the night in Kyiv. Pity I can't be there. It will be buzzing since every other girl will try to find out where CR 7 or Mo Salah are going to party after the match. If you are in the city don't forget to report even if it is just atmosphere.

[James 006]

Hey SandyMed, I can not PM you before you upgrade your membership. I am happy to catch up!


I am in Kiev from from 27th June till 1 July Sunday, will be staying in Art hotel, Bakkara. PM me if anybody want to meet for drinks or exchange contacts, I have quite a few contacts which I built from last year.

Also taking about double listing, check this girl she is on both Kiev and Moscow Mamba. Fishy.

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1758027804?sp=2

https://www.mamba.ru/mb1755544162

[CJohnson49]

Hi guys,

I am going to Kiev for the first time tomorrow and I am staying for 2 nights. Anybody wants to meet up for drinks?

Thanks,

Johnny.I'm in town the evening of May 31 for just one night but can't upgrade to PM capability due to USA Credit card stuff. Planning to hit Scarlette and / or Rio. (Will post reports after).

[Riina]

I am in Kiev from from 27th June till 1 July Sunday, will be staying in Art hotel, Bakkara. Just curious, why this hotel?

[Stevie69]

First, some logistics. The airport shuttle works fine for me only 90 UAH (or maybe 100? Apartments over hotels, of course. Hide your money really well when you leave your apartment, of course. Put everything away when you invite a girl, of course. Exchange only the bare minimum at the airport; you usually get a better rate downtown. A spread of 10 UAH cents between the buy and sale price is good, 5 is better, 15 is still okay, but you will find much larger spreads, even of 2 or 3 UAH. Be careful. Use a condom, of course. Never pay up front, of course. If they do not match the photos, send them home. Insist on a total cost, not a breakdown for sex and separately for transportation. Discuss what services are provided before they come, and confirm them before you start. Try not to agree to threesome until at least you have had amazing sex with one of the girls. Do not go to their place, have the come to you. Etc. Please read my previous reports. Some pearls of wisdom are everlasting.

I was there for 11 days, minus 3 days wasted in Dnipro. I was there the week before the big game, which may have affected prices a little. I think I have to start agreeing with the naysayers here. I have a circle of 3 or 4 girls with whom I meet every time I go, who also introduce me to their friends, sometimes for threesomes. One girl I have known for almost 6 years, and I always have fantastic sex with her, and with her friends. The others are from 4, 3, and 1 year (s) now. The circle changes a little, as new girls come in and others drop out, and some break out of their original contact and I contact them directly. So, I had a great time. However, it was nearly impossible for me to make new connections independently, well, at a reasonable price.

The benefits or girls you know and referrals are manifold. First, you know that you are getting good sex. Second, the cost is already agreed-upon so there is no haggling. Third, they trust you, so they do not have to worry about bad experiences and can just enjoy themselves. Fourth, the friends also trust you implicitly. As long as they keep bringing new friends, variety is ensured. If one of them does not respond, you have 2 or 3 other that will. If one of them responds but says that she cannot (out of town, red days, with the mother.), she will gladly refer you to a friend. The system works.

Obtaining new girls was, however, extremely difficult. Most of them came via Mamba and tinder, but they ask ridiculous prices. Let us put this into perspective. I had a date (a regular date with a long-term pro, seeking marriage) with a medical doctor, a specialist, who made only 8000 UAH per month. She lived in a town a little outside Kiev, so maybe the salary is a little higher in Kiev; however, the point remains. I had some bimbos from mamba ask for 4000 for one hour of work! More common is 3000 and most often, the ubiquitous 2600 UAH. As I mentioned in previous posts (please read them), they often offer 2 or 3 hours. Who can have sex for 3 hours? And you know they will insist on the money up front and they would leave as soon as you ejaculate.

As I mentioned before, if top shelf GIA girls start at 4000 and half goes to the house, and a medical doctor makes 8000 per month, 2000 ought to be more than enough for a single mum, a check-out girl, or a university student. With many, negotiations are futile. I tried 3 negotiation tactics, and I do not have enough data on which one is the best. The first one is to try to reason with them. The second one is to simply say "no thanks". The third is not to reply at all. My data indicates that trying to negotiate with girls who ask ridiculous prices is pointless, and that completely ignoring them might actually work best. In the latter case, they often get back to you an hour later with a Hello, or a reduced offer. Again, I do not have enough data to make a definitive conclusions, so please fell free to comment.

Anyway, I only connected independently with 2 new girls, one for 1800 and another one for 2000. The sex was not too good, but in one case, good enough so I will contact her again next time.

So, I will agree that if you show up for the first time, with no previous intelligence or recognizance, you will have to pay ridiculous prices if you want to have a good time. You might as well stay at home. The only reason I have a good time is that I have my little group of friends, and their friends, who are happy to earn a little extra money the old fashioned way. They range from 19 to 35, and include students, teachers, business owners, cosmetologists, and a banker. This time, I was introduced to 3 new girls. Once they trust me, they become independents, and form their own splinter groups. What is a better threesome, a 20 and a 30 year old, or two 20 year old, or two thirty year old? A MILF who truly appreciates good sex, or a student who is a little uncomfortable at first?

Maybe I am getting old, or becoming more concerned with quality over quantity, but I remember trips in which I had 3, 4, or even 5 girls per day. Maybe those old trips are what allowed me to establish my little harem, but it was a lot of hit and miss, mostly miss. Now, the most I had was 2, well, 3 if you consider that one of the sessions was a threesome.

[Misc123]

Hi Stevie. I second you. The Good days maybe gone. Price inflation thanks to 'no visas' needed to enter EU. And Ryanair and other budget airlines coming to Kiev more frequently.

In the past, I could get 3 hours to overnight for 100 $.

Now 100 $/ hour.

I think girls can charge and get away with murder because some mongers (experienced or not) are paying. And that is BAD news.

Here in North America, or Germany I can get a girl for 150 $/ HR.

So what is the difference between Kiev and Germany and NA.

Kiev is headed for trouble. Price wise.

Will reality visit these girls?

I wait for that day.

Ciao.

Misc.


First, some logistics. The airport shuttle works fine for me only 90 UAH (or maybe 100? Apartments over hotels, of course. Hide your money really well when you leave your apartment, of course. Put everything away when you invite a girl, of course. Exchange only the bare minimum at the airport; you usually get a better rate downtown. A spread of 10 UAH cents between the buy and sale price is good, 5 is better, 15 is still okay, but you will find much larger spreads, even of 2 or 3 UAH. Be careful. Use a condom, of course. Never pay up front, of course. If they do not match the photos, send them home. Insist on a total cost, not a breakdown for sex and separately for transportation. Discuss what services are provided before they come, and confirm them before you start. Try not to agree to threesome until at least you have had amazing sex with one of the girls. Do not go to their place, have the come to you. Etc. Please read my previous reports. Some pearls of wisdom are everlasting.

I was there for 11 days, minus 3 days wasted in Dnipro. I was there the week before the big game, which may have affected prices a little. I think I have to start agreeing with the naysayers here. I have a circle of 3 or 4 girls with whom I meet every time I go, who also introduce me to their friends, sometimes for threesomes. One girl I have known for almost 6 years, and I always have fantastic sex with her, and with her friends. The others are from 4, 3, and 1 year (s) now. The circle changes a little, as new girls come in and others drop out, and some break out of their original contact and I contact them directly. So, I had a great time. However, it was nearly impossible for me to make new connections independently, well, at a reasonable price.

The benefits or girls you know and referrals are manifold. First, you know that you are getting good sex. Second, the cost is already agreed-upon so there is no haggling. Third, they trust you, so they do not have to worry about bad experiences and can just enjoy themselves. Fourth, the friends also trust you implicitly. As long as they keep bringing new friends, variety is ensured. If one of them does not respond, you have 2 or 3 other that will. If one of them responds but says that she cannot (out of town, red days, with the mother.), she will gladly refer you to a friend. The system works.

Obtaining new girls was, however, extremely difficult. Most of them came via Mamba and tinder, but they ask ridiculous prices. Let us put this into perspective. I had a date (a regular date with a long-term pro, seeking marriage) with a medical doctor, a specialist, who made only 8000 UAH per month. She lived in a town a little outside Kiev, so maybe the salary is a little higher in Kiev; however, the point remains. I had some bimbos from mamba ask for 4000 for one hour of work! More common is 3000 and most often, the ubiquitous 2600 UAH. As I mentioned in previous posts (please read them), they often offer 2 or 3 hours. Who can have sex for 3 hours? And you know they will insist on the money up front and they would leave as soon as you ejaculate.

As I mentioned before, if top shelf GIA girls start at 4000 and half goes to the house, and a medical doctor makes 8000 per month, 2000 ought to be more than enough for a single mum, a check-out girl, or a university student. With many, negotiations are futile. I tried 3 negotiation tactics, and I do not have enough data on which one is the best. The first one is to try to reason with them. The second one is to simply say "no thanks". The third is not to reply at all. My data indicates that trying to negotiate with girls who ask ridiculous prices is pointless, and that completely ignoring them might actually work best. In the latter case, they often get back to you an hour later with a Hello, or a reduced offer. Again, I do not have enough data to make a definitive conclusions, so please fell free to comment.

Anyway, I only connected independently with 2 new girls, one for 1800 and another one for 2000. The sex was not too good, but in one case, good enough so I will contact her again next time.

So, I will agree that if you show up for the first time, with no previous intelligence or recognizance, you will have to pay ridiculous prices if you want to have a good time. You might as well stay at home. The only reason I have a good time is that I have my little group of friends, and their friends, who are happy to earn a little extra money the old fashioned way. They range from 19 to 35, and include students, teachers, business owners, cosmetologists, and a banker. This time, I was introduced to 3 new girls. Once they trust me, they become independents, and form their own splinter groups. What is a better threesome, a 20 and a 30 year old, or two 20 year old, or two thirty year old? A MILF who truly appreciates good sex, or a student who is a little uncomfortable at first?

Maybe I am getting old, or becoming more concerned with quality over quantity, but I remember trips in which I had 3, 4, or even 5 girls per day. Maybe those old trips are what allowed me to establish my little harem, but it was a lot of hit and miss, mostly miss. Now, the most I had was 2, well, 3 if you consider that one of the sessions was a threesome.

[Kozerog]

Arrived in Kiev 10 days ago and next day saw my jewel for usual 4 hours for 4200 uah. Then she couldn't see me for a while due to family emergency in her village. Being the suspicious old man that I am, it occurred to me that she might have received better offers from high paying clients in town for the football championship, and so that is why she couldn't see me. She came by again today with tanned shoulders and blisters on her hands. I asked about these and she said it was because of yard work on the village she was dragooned into doing. This suggests she was telling the truth, not that I would resent being bumped for higher paying clients. Business is business and she has to make money while she is still young. Though I would prefer to be told simply "something has come up and I can't see you for the next week, hope this isn't a problem, etc, etc", so this issue of suspecting her of lying didn't even arise. I'm tactful enough not to press for details.

Anyway, moving along, while she was away, I realized I'm falling in love with her. This is a pleasant surprise since I had long thought my heart was no longer capable of such feelings. It's a mild love, so no danger of doing something stupid. A fatherly sort of love for the daughter I never had. No jealousy and indeed I hope her the best of luck finding someone her own age to marry and have children with eventually. She fell asleep in my arms after her orgasm today. So cute, almost as cute as the pet cat I used to have back when I still had a fixed place of residence.

I also realized I need a backup plan for when she eventually stops seeing me. So Monday I poked around on ukrgo. The initial Viber message I sent was as follows, in good Russian: "Hi, I saw your ad on ukrgo. I'm interested in seeing you later this week. Late afternoon, for regular sex with condom. What are your prices? Where are you located? I'm an American age 50 living in Kiev. I speak intermediate Russian. Thank you. " My Viber account includes a recent photo of me doing a handstand, which proves I'm not a fatty and not an ogre, though not handsome either. These were all incalls. Note that Ukrgo "intimate services" does not allow specification of prices, probably because prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, though it does allow explicit discussion of services offered, which is why I asked for prices. Of the 9 girls I messaged, only 1 replied and that one didn't seem too friendly. Her price was 1100 uah / hour. Beautiful (if photos are valid) buxom 36 yo blonde. Lack of friendly attitude is a big turnoff for me however.

I used a variety of sources during last year's search which eventually uncovered the jewel. Ukrgo was one of those sources, but I think my best results came from backpage, including the jewel, if I'm not mistaken. I don't recall getting such poor response percentage last year and I'm not sure what the problem is. Any ideas?

Some possible explanations. All the girls were exhausted and disgusted with foreigners because of clients in town for the football championship this past weekend. Attitudes generally more negative towards foreigners than previously because of bad behavior by some clients in past year. Not an apples to apples comparison because ukrgo girls of this year very different group from backpage girls of last year.

I don't plan to continue digging through ukrgo because the jewel should be able to see me every other day all summer. However, for future use, I would like to know if I was doing something wrong in ukrgo and that's why such poor response percentage.

[Kozerog]

Oh forgot to mention, some of the ukrgo ads are agencies. I can usually detect these without sending a viber message or voice call, but not always. I got 100% response rate from agencies to whom I sent a Viber message but I'm not including those in that count of 9. Incall agency = brothel. Price averaged 800 uah / hour for those I accidentally contacted. I have no interest in brothels. Strictly independents for me.

[Kozerog]

Some comments on Stevie69's report. I agree with him that outcall is better, but ukrgo is heavily tilted towards incall. Also, I've never tried incall in Ukraine so I'm curious. Also, some girls offer both incall and outcall and I thought incall has the advantage of being simpler for initial test drive, since then I don't have to launder sheets and towels afterwards. Yes, I have read his old reports, but if he wants to again address the issue of why he doesn't recommend incalls, I wouldn't mind. His other recommendations I understand fully.

As has been pointed out before, those of us who want longer sessions are not necessarily looking for sex for 4 hours. In fact I don't really even care about sex itself since masturbation gives just as good or better orgasm. I am alone most of the year but have a need for some female companionship, female energy if you will, in my life, and am strongly inclined to GFE versus PSE. On the other hand, I don't want to marry or have a normal LTR, so this situation I have with the jewel is perfect, seeing her 4 hours every other day all summer, then alone for 9 months. Most of the time we just lay there cuddling, sometimes talking, sometimes quiet, sometimes she takes a nap while I continue petting her. Different strokes for different folks. Lots of guys prefer longer sessions and that's why those girls were probably offering 2-3 hours to Stevie69. Especially for outcall, 2 hours is almost the same trouble as 1 hour, so why not offer extra time? I don't know why Stevie69 assumes the girl will leave as soon as the sex is over, unless she has no desire for future business with that client and so wants to irritate him.

I used ukrgo rather than Mamba and Tinder because I had many of the same difficulties as Stevie69 discusses when I tried those sites in the past. Semi-pros who have had sex numerous times for money should really be called part-time pros, in that they know what they are doing and act business-like. It's the beginner true semi-pros who are such a pain in the ass: delusional pricing, flakiness, last minute change of heart, failure to understand that when the man is paying cash the power dynamics change and they can't expect to be wooed and courted like with regular dating, failure to understand that customer satisfaction leads to repeat business, etc.

Another thing, I have some social circles here and several girls (or more like young women, since they are mid-30's single mothers, which is still 30 years younger than me) are coming on to me. They are actually more sexually attractive to me than the jewel, though not beauties like the jewel. But once a monger, always a monger. I am repulsed by the notion of free sex but I think these young women would be equally repulsed by 500 uah notes laid out on the table for easy counting like I give the jewel. One of these young women accompanied me to the metro the other night and used her card to pay my fare, since the card expires May 31 and she had extras rides on it. Saved me a whopping 5 uah. That shows you how frugal-minded these women can be. The sort of gesture that would impress me if I was looking for a wife, but it saddens me when looking for a mistress, since it makes manifest the huge gap in our moral outlooks. Not sure how to deal with this situation.

[Riina]

Oh forgot to mention, some of the ukrgo ads are agencies. I can usually detect these without sending a viber message or voice call, but not always. I got 100% response rate from agencies to whom I sent a Viber message but I'm not including those in that count of 9. Incall agency = brothel. Price averaged 800 uah / hour for those I accidentally contacted. I have no interest in brothels. Strictly independents for me.Kozerog, it seems that you really have intimate knowledge of girls in Ukraine. I've been very fortunate to meet young Uki hotties in my US city. Here's the thing, at home 100% have some form of BPD or addiction or the combo. What per cent of "difficult" personalities do you see in Ukraine among young hotties (not moms) open to p4 p or relationships with older foreigners?

[Kozerog]

Kozerog, it seems that you really have intimate knowledge of girls in Ukraine. I've been very fortunate to meet young Uki hotties in my US city. Here's the thing, at home 100% have some form of BPD or addiction or the combo. What per cent of "difficult" personalities do you see in Ukraine among young hotties (not moms) open to p4 p or relationships with older foreigners?I'm not sure I'm that much of an expert. My jewel does not have BPD or addictions. On the contrary, she is very level headed and emotionally disciplined. Last year, she was a bit hesitant about opening up emotionally, because why bother for a short term relationship? But now that I'm here a second summer, she is more trusting. I am also very emotionally disciplined, so we have that in common.

Self discipline and ambition like hers is rare in girls early 20's. She took to escorting because it is the best money she could get (her degree is civil engineering, but salaries are low and she'd probably have to sleep with the boss to get a job), but she refuses difficult clients so as to preserve herself emotionally. I believe she is saving and buying land in her village with money she earns from escorting. Lives with her sister to save money.

I would imagine that most girls open to sex with older men for money, whether in Ukraine or elsewhere, are not so business-like and disciplined as my jewel, but rather flaky as western girls. Flaky is close to BPD and a big turnoff for me. I'll take the level headed HB7 single mother in her 30's any day over the HB10 19 yo hottie with entitled and disrespectful attitude. I'd much rather be alone than put up with difficult women, regardless of their beauty.

[Tomek123]

Kozerog, it seems that you really have intimate knowledge of girls in Ukraine. I've been very fortunate to meet young Uki hotties in my US city. Here's the thing, at home 100% have some form of BPD or addiction or the combo. What per cent of "difficult" personalities do you see in Ukraine among young hotties (not moms) open to p4 p or relationships with older foreigners?Here we have to deal with several problems. First Kiev itself is quite an expensive city and life in the capital is always a little more expensive than life in the province. One thing to live in New York and another thing somewhere in the state of Dakota or Nebraska. For Ukrainians, life in Kiev is like for an American life in New York. Naturally a nice American girl who sometimes sucked a dick in a Nebraska to have an addition to a scholarship. She in New York will do it for another price. Just for that the reason that rental housing in Nebraska and New York as I suspect different. Accordingly, her blowjob in the capital should be more expensive. Respectively, foreigners were initially placed in Ukraine in an uneasy situation. The infrastructure of the country is not developed. The province frightens many foreigners. A lot of Italians. Who have long massively married Ukrainian girls and you can see an Italian guy in the center of a relatively small city in the summer. But the reason for this is a banal-a huge amount of Ukr women for 20 years working in Italy. So there are so many contacts of Italian-Ukrainian. So there are so many mixed families. Many guys from Italy after leaving pension buy villas in the Ukrainian province and enjoy sex with a 34 year old lonely MILF and life in a poor country. This guys are 50-60 years old.

[Deleted by Admin] In Italy as well as in Ukraine there is crime. For example in Sicily. One word these Italian guys came in Ukraine from other, Ukraine, only more rich. But not every guy from Finland or Canada will agree to go to the Ukrainian province. The maximum is Kiev. That is, the infrastructure of sex is not developed. For example, we see that in Colombia there is Medellin and many other sweet places. Where there are many Americans and Canadians. In Ukraine it is mostly Kiev. Odessa and Kharkov are mostly driven by guys from Turkey. They also like lately in Lviv. This is the same phenomenon that in Russia. In Russia, the mass of beautiful and relatively accessible women. But how to fuck them if they live in the Tver. Or Rostov. Or Smolensk. But who will go to fuck in an unfamiliar city Rostow? And where are the guarantees that you will not be robbed? If you are a Russian who earned good money in the US and came to his homeland as an American and a sex tourist, then of course in his native Russia you can create yourself a sexual paradise. In a city like Rostov or Krasnodar. These are big cities. About a million inhabitants. There is a choice. And pros and students and schoolgirls and lonely MILF. But many guys from Canada will be so insane or brave to go to Rostov? But all these girls when they arrive in Moscow they change and automatically raise their price-like in Ukraine. And you better go to the German FKK club and there to fuck two silly Romanian peasant girls than to go so far to Moscow. Besides you will need visa to get to Russia. And of course many guys will choose FKKK club, and it's understandable.

The second problem is visa-free regime for Ukrainian girls. A girl who 6/10 in UA somewhere in Poland will be solid 8/10 -the Ukrainian,Six, is the Polish,Eight, and she just needs to create an account on the site of intimate acquaintances. And if in Ukraine she sucked and swallowed for 500 hryvnia then in Poland she will have several times more for the same.

Poland made it easier for Ukrainians to access their labor market and now you can hear the Ukrainian language in every store or cafe. Everywhere you will see an Ukrainian waitress or barman. I know a guy who had problems with the staff. A lot of young people left Poland for western Europe. As is well known. He had an interview with a new salesman. He owns several clothing stores. He gave an announcement and the girl called with an accent. She came for an interview. She was Ukrainian. Pretty enough. This guy is my friend and he showed me this girl. He loves humor and various jokes and asked her whether she knows the art of head massage. Because he recently often has a headache. It was a joke. She liked the financial conditions and she started working in the store. He saw that despite the accent she is a good seller and knows how to work with buyers. She is never late and punctual. This guy is 46 years old and he has a little fat on his stomach and he's not Brad Pitt, but she treated him like a boss. With respect. When she received the first money he invited her to his office and asked her whether she liked the new job and the conditions. She answered that she likes to work in his company. In the evening he saw how she goes alone after work and offered her a ride on his car to the subway. Or to her house. If she wants. She agreed and sat in the car. They chatted and laughed at different topics and then he could not restrain himself and put his hand on her naked knee. It was near her house. She politely removed his hand. He told me that he was a little upset but then a very pleasant event happened. She obviously realized that the situation requires some sort of decision. And the boss can take offense at her. For some minutes she was silent and then took his finger in her mouth and began to suck. It was a clear allusion to the way out of the difficult situation. As we understand. The next day he asked to help him in the evening after work, and she understood everything. He closed the store and she came to the office and did everything as needed and even better. He told me that she fucking well sucks. And that he was happy to find such a responsible and punctual worker. Sometimes he fucks her right in the car. He chooses a secluded place where not so many people and takes off with no panties and hard fucks her and then cums in her mouth. After that they say goodbye. A good worker. He jokes that now he wants in all his shops to change personnel and recruit only Ukrainian girls to work.

Girls always raise prices when they understand that they can have more. These are two sisters. I fucked them. One my Ukrainian friend introduced us as that. It's a few hours from Kiev. A medium-sized city.

My friend told me that first they fucked with the guys just for free. For the opportunity to eat a bit in a nightclub and drink a cocktail. Then in 2015 they started to take for sex about 200-300 hryvnia. A year later when these girls realized that many local guys want sex, they began to demand 400-500 hryvnia. Now they want 900-1000 hryvnia for several hours together. You see that the demand automatically raises the price. (they nicknamed me as a sniper because I somehow got sperm in the eye of older sister. We were in bed three). But of course this is not Kiev. It's a relatively poor depressive city where low salaries.

[Riina]

I'm not sure I'm that much of an expert. My jewel does not have BPD or addictions. On the contrary, she is very level headed and emotionally disciplined. Last year, she was a bit hesitant about opening up emotionally, because why bother for a short term relationship? But now that I'm here a second summer, she is more trusting. I am also very emotionally disciplined, so we have that in common.

Self discipline and ambition like hers is rare in girls early 20's. She took to escorting because it is the best money she could get (her degree is civil engineering, but salaries are low and she'd probably have to sleep with the boss to get a job), but she refuses difficult clients so as to preserve herself emotionally. I believe she is saving and buying land in her village with money she earns from escorting. Lives with her sister to save money.

I would imagine that most girls open to sex with older men for money, whether in Ukraine or elsewhere, are not so business-like and disciplined as my jewel, but rather flaky as western girls. Flaky is close to BPD and a big turnoff for me. I'll take the level headed HB7 single mother in her 30's any day over the HB10 19 yo hottie with entitled and disrespectful attitude. I'd much rather be alone than put up with difficult women, regardless of their beauty.Thank you. I find your posts insightful.

[JokerToker]

So I booked a trip, but the negativity here scared me a little. I thought it would be easy finding tons of girls for small money in a country like Ukraine.

But, I paid for Mamba today and I calmed myself down. It seems to be very easy finding some dates there, I got in contact with several right away.

Many are obvious hookers, and I guess they try to screw me with expensive services.

But I guess with a little common sense I'll be alright and have a nice time on my vacation. I'm Swedish if my sleeping is wrong here and there.

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Riina about Kozerog.


Thank you. I find your posts insightful.Wholeheartedly agree.

Essays by Kozerog bring sanity, honesty and sincerity to this Forum. JyMondor, Stevie69, Riina and few others are objective and very helpful, yet Kozerog, while romantic, seemingly naive, and certainly respectful, provides realistic approach. Makes me think harder about what I should adjust during next visit.

Thank you much for sharing.

[Vatore007]

Planning my first trip to Ukraine, I usually do Colombia but I want a change. Are websites reliable? Are the girls on these sites like Kiev Relax real? The going rate seems to be about 50 euros an hour, is that right? Are there better deals to be had?

Is there a list on this forum? A list of brothels, strip clubs and places to hookup? Any mongering hotels?

Would someone please point me to some sort of guide or summary reference about the scene in Ukraine? Referrals to girls in Kiev would be appreciated, facebook info or any other app contact info for girls.

Thank you guys.

[DramaFree11]

Here we have to deal with several problems. First Kiev itself is quite an expensive city and life in the capital is always a little more expensive than life in the province. One thing to live in New York and another thing somewhere in the state of Dakota or Nebraska. For Ukrainians, life in Kiev is like for an American life in New York. Naturally a nice American girl who sometimes sucked a dick in a Nebraska to have an addition to a scholarship. She in New York will do it for another price. Just for that the reason that rental housing in Nebraska and New York as I suspect different. Accordingly, her blowjob in the capital should be more expensive. Respectively, foreigners were initially placed in Ukraine in an uneasy situation. The infrastructure of the country is not developed. The province frightens many foreigners. A lot of Italians. Who have long massively married Ukrainian girls and you can see an Italian guy in the center of a relatively small city in the summer. But the reason for this is a banal-a huge amount of Ukr women for 20 years working in Italy. So there are so many contacts of Italian-Ukrainian. So there are so many mixed families. Many guys from Italy after leaving pension buy villas in the Ukrainian province and enjoy sex with a 34 year old lonely MILF and life in a poor country. This guys are 50-60 years old.

Kiev is not expensive at all, only if you choose to make it.

In Italy as well as in Ukraine there is crime. For example in Sicily. One word these Italian guys came in Ukraine from other, Ukraine, only more rich. But not every guy from Finland or Canada will agree to go to the Ukrainian province. The maximum is Kiev. That is, the infrastructure of sex is not developed. For example, we see that in Colombia there is Medellin and many other sweet places. Where there are many Americans and Canadians. In Ukraine it is mostly Kiev. Odessa and Kharkov are mostly driven by guys from Turkey. They also like lately in Lviv. This is the same phenomenon that in Russia. In Russia, the mass of beautiful and relatively accessible women. But how to fuck them if they live in the Tver. Or Rostov. Or Smolensk. But who will go to fuck in an unfamiliar city Rostow? And where are the guarantees that you will not be robbed? If you are a Russian who earned good money in the US and came to his homeland as an American and a sex tourist, then of course in his native Russia you can create yourself a sexual paradise. In a city like Rostov or Krasnodar. These are big cities. About a million inhabitants. There is a choice. And pros and students and schoolgirls and lonely MILF. But many guys from Canada will be so insane or brave to go to Rostov? But all these girls when they arrive in Moscow they change and automatically raise their price-like in Ukraine. And you better go to the German FKK club and there to fuck two silly Romanian peasant girls than to go so far to Moscow. Besides you will need visa to get to Russia. And of course many guys will choose FKKK club, and it's understandable.

The second problem is visa-free regime for Ukrainian girls. A girl who 6/10 in UA somewhere in Poland will be solid 8/10 -the Ukrainian, Six, is the Polish, Eight, and she just needs to create an account on the site of intimate acquaintances. And if in Ukraine she sucked and swallowed for 500 hryvnia then in Poland she will have several times more for the same.

Sorry, a 6 is a six, Girls in Kiev are just not that attractive, why would they be more attractive in another country.

Poland made it easier for Ukrainians to access their labor market and now you can hear the Ukrainian language in every store or cafe. Everywhere you will see an Ukrainian waitress or barman. I know a guy who had problems with the staff. A lot of young people left Poland for western Europe. As is well known. He had an interview with a new salesman. He owns several clothing stores. He gave an announcement and the girl called with an accent. She came for an interview. She was Ukrainian. Pretty enough. This guy is my friend and he showed me this girl. He loves humor and various jokes and asked her whether she knows the art of head massage. Because he recently often has a headache. It was a joke. She liked the financial conditions and she started working in the store. He saw that despite the accent she is a good seller and knows how to work with buyers. She is never late and punctual. This guy is 46 years old and he has a little fat on his stomach and he's not Brad Pitt, but she treated him like a boss. With respect. When she received the first money he invited her to his office and asked her whether she liked the new job and the conditions. She answered that she likes to work in his company. In the evening he saw how she goes alone after work and offered her a ride on his car to the subway. Or to her house. If she wants. She agreed and sat in the car. They chatted and laughed at different topics and then he could not restrain himself and put his hand on her naked knee. It was near her house. She politely removed his hand. He told me that he was a little upset but then a very pleasant event happened. She obviously realized that the situation requires some sort of decision. And the boss can take offense at her. For some minutes she was silent and then took his finger in her mouth and began to suck. It was a clear allusion to the way out of the difficult situation. As we understand. The next day he asked to help him in the evening after work, and she understood everything. He closed the store and she came to the office and did everything as needed and even better. He told me that she fucking well sucks. And that he was happy to find such a responsible and punctual worker. Sometimes he fucks her right in the car. He chooses a secluded place where not so many people and takes off with no panties and hard fucks her and then cums in her mouth. After that they say goodbye. A good worker. He jokes that now he wants in all his shops to change personnel and recruit only Ukrainian girls to work.

Girls always raise prices when they understand that they can have more. These are two sisters. I fucked them. One my Ukrainian friend introduced us as that. It's a few hours from Kiev. A medium-sized city.

My friend told me that first they fucked with the guys just for free. For the opportunity to eat a bit in a nightclub and drink a cocktail. Then in 2015 they started to take for sex about 200-300 hryvnia. A year later when these girls realized that many local guys want sex, they began to demand 400-500 hryvnia. Now they want 900-1000 hryvnia for several hours together. You see that the demand automatically raises the price. (they nicknamed me as a sniper because I somehow got sperm in the eye of older sister. We were in bed three). But of course this is not Kiev. It's a relatively poor depressive city where low salaries.

[DramaFree11]

Be prepared there is a lot of bait and switch. Gia was best site, but they are gone.

Planning my first trip to Ukraine, I usually do Colombia but I want a change. Are websites reliable? Are the girls on these sites like Kiev Relax real? The going rate seems to be about 50 euros an hour, is that right? Are there better deals to be had?

Is there a list on this forum? A list of brothels, strip clubs and places to hookup? Any mongering hotels?

Would someone please point me to some sort of guide or summary reference about the scene in Ukraine? Referrals to girls in Kiev would be appreciated, facebook info or any other app contact info for girls.

Thank you guys.

[Member #4722]

Planning my first trip to Ukraine, I usually do Colombia but I want a change. Are websites reliable? Are the girls on these sites like Kiev Relax real? The going rate seems to be about 50 euros an hour, is that right? Are there better deals to be had?

Is there a list on this forum? A list of brothels, strip clubs and places to hookup? Any mongering hotels?

Would someone please point me to some sort of guide or summary reference about the scene in Ukraine? Referrals to girls in Kiev would be appreciated, facebook info or any other app contact info for girls.

Thank you guys.There is no list or Cliffs Notes for Kiev. Your best bet is to set aside a couple hours to read back into the forum. But there is a lot of conflicting opinions so it's difficult to figure out what is real or not.

I use mainly Mamba to meet girls. I have met a couple out at clubs. I have used Gia escort agency but they have been shut down recently. I have gone to Rio strip club and they have many beautiful women but its expensive ($300 takeout for 2-3 hours). I haven't tried any agencies but from reading on here you are 75% likely to not meet the girl in the picture. But I'm not incredibly picky so unless she is ugly or fat I am probably game to give her a whirl. I think eastern european women in general are most beautiful so even when I had bait and switch once she was pretty and it turned out to be a pretty good session. Last summer on mamba I met some 7's and one 8 and all the sessions were pretty good. All but one of the girls was the one in the picture.

[Kozerog]

I use mainly Mamba to meet girls.I used Mamba 2 years ago and had such a frustrating experience using the service itself, to speak nothing of hassles with the girls, that I didn't even try last summer. Based on all the positive reviews on this forum, I just set up another account, setting my age at 47 or 15 years younger than real age because I know girls often set 50 as a hard cut-off. Mamba immediately screwed up my password so that I had to do a reset, and then more problems uploading photos. I wanted my handstand photo to show I'm not a fatty, but that is a profile and not frontal view, which is evidently not allowed, though the rules don't say that. Finally got the damn thing working. Mobile app actually not that bad, much better than I recall from 2 years ago.

Mamba is clearly the best place to find working girls in Kiev, much better than ukrgo, that's for sure. I'm not sure what the rules are for discussing prices, so I bounced my first prospect to Viber for explicit price talk. Accepted my initial offer of 3000+taxi for 3 hours. I suspect she is an agency, however. I'm getting pretty good at spotting these.

Probably won't follow up on any prospects. I've lost my sense of adventure and would just as soon stick with my tried and tested jewel. In my report below I said my feelings for her were akin to fatherly love for the daughter he never had. I meant grandfather and granddaughter LOL, since the age difference is almost 40 years.

Bottom line, newbies and experienced hands alike should probably focus on Mamba. Read the forum for all the pitfalls associated with buying (or renting, I should say) sight unseen. I'm going to insist on Viber video chat first if I ever need to replace the jewel. Meet on a street corner and walk away if they aren't what was advertised (I would walk towards to the district police station 100 meters away from my apartment, good luck with some goon threatening me on the sidewalk there). Insist on money on table until end of session, in case services not provided as advertised.

[Kozerog]

Forgot to mention. Get the VIP option on Mamba so you can view whether girls are seeking sponsor or not, since those are the girls to focus on if you are a monger. Payment using the Android app and Google pay (or equivalent in iOS) is probably safest. I paid $12 for 3 months. You have to subscribe for recurring payments, but Google pay allows you to immediately cancel the subscription effective after the 3 months is up. If you pay with the website, who knows what hassles Mamba will cause.

[Llkkjj]

Hi,

Does anyone know if I can bring girls to my hotel from strip clubs such as Zolotoy nosorog, and what it might cost?

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Hi,

Does anyone know if I can bring girls to my hotel from strip clubs such as Zolotoy nosorog, and what it might cost?Warning: my info is dated.

Hotel wouldn't mind you bringing the girls. Checking them out from any of the Nosorogs (Golden, Star, Mint) is another story. The best I could manage 7-10 years ago was to get the beauty's phone number, she agreed to meet me later in the week, and then never responded.

Dancing is not considered by the girls as something as bad, and they take a special pride in separating punters from the money by selling the promise of an ultimate prize without sacrificing it.

I surely had the best lap dances at Star Rhino, lots of touching. It must have been at a different location in Solomenka back then. It is in Podol, no idea how good it is, and if check out is allowed now.

[Llkkjj]

Thanks, last year I was at the one in arena city, the girls seems friendly, private dance was very good and price seems to be fair, for for how much, I think its was like 300 - 500 for 2 dances.

Want to go back next week and try to hook up with some of them. But no idea if its allowed or not, remembered there was a girl with huge tits and she was giving it all in the lapdance.

Last time I was accompanied by a Ukrainian guide, and invited them to come next to me and I had like 3 girls chatting with me, seemed really friendly, offered to buy them some drinks.

But scared if I go alone this time, would this try to order something really expensive and if offer them a drink?


Warning: my info is dated.

Hotel wouldn't mind you bringing the girls. Checking them out from any of the Nosorogs (Golden, Star, Mint) is another story. The best I could manage 7-10 years ago was to get the beauty's phone number, she agreed to meet me later in the week, and then never responded.

Dancing is not considered by the girls as something as bad, and they take a special pride in separating punters from the money by selling the promise of an ultimate prize without sacrificing it.

I surely had the best lap dances at Star Rhino, lots of touching. It must have been at a different location in Solomenka back then. It is in Podol, no idea how good it is, and if check out is allowed now.

[JokerToker]

I do have a tip for you that want an alternative to Mamba and Tinder. Fdating is a totally free international dating site, from my experience almost free of scam-girls.

Most of the girls are from Russia and Ukraine and there can be over 1000 girls online an evening. There are many, many from Kiev.

It works best with a computer, its not an app.

[Womaniszer]

Can any one please share what are the asking rates of Mamba Girls going on nowadays and on what amount they do settle down.

Please.

[Member #4722]

Can any one please share what are the asking rates of Mamba Girls going on nowadays and on what amount they do settle down.

Please.It's mostly independents on mamba they all have different requirements.

[Jpdixx]

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.

Here's a review-.

24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!

25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.

26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.

27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lapdances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!

Anyways, came back to the room at 5 am and banged the girls for 1. 5 hrs till the girls begged us to let them go!! Karina was a special. She was quite a squirter. Rada was the prettiest girl I have been with but it's a pity she didn't speak English. Both girls made real moans (or so we would like to believe) and loved to fuck us!! The 4 some experience drained us out completely but left us fully satisfied. What an end to the trip!!

28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!

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Good honest report. Thank you for taking time to share with the Forum. My 2 kopecks on the subject. Comments mixed with questions below:


24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!Obviously your 7 and above might be different for others. I chose to believe you) Perhaps girls decided to make money during CL, and Universities were not done yet.

How long was your friend's session for 300 USD?

Scarlette and Rio are under the same ownership. Rio girls do the same. They make the decision to go or not.


25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.When they come to you it is their time lost. IMHO girls try harder to extend time for another hours or so. It is also a break from routine for them.

You going to the apartment costs the agency nothing. If you don't like it and leave, another guy will arrive soon. Especially during CL.


26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.IMHO Arena is a trap. You've been had. 4-5 blocks + 15 minutes walk up the hill, and you would be at Rio.


27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lapdances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!Very expensive. Kiev girls milked the foreigners yet again)) and punters here will complain that because of you prices are going up. But you were there during CL, also short time, and left happy.

I do not think anybody would have done better considering the circumstances. Visiting for few days, city swamped with visitors, you obviously didn't have prior contacts. Simple: spend money or publish another whining bitching pessimistic essay along the lines: "Kiev sucks! It is not the same again. Girls are ugly and cheat."

Some measure return on investment in number of fucks per euro, some in hours, some in ephemeral concepts of happiness and satisfaction. Seems girls kept you happy, at least you think so. And that was your money. Good informative report.


28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!

[NorskKing]

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.
as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!!No wonder the girls are getting spoiled and quoting high prices. You spent 600 usd each on girls + 13000 UAH in dolls. And that is the reason Kiev will no longer be a cheap monger destination.

I have been in Scarlette too, my report will follow.

[NorskKing]

I have been to Kiev and it has been a bag of mixed experiences.

Day 1.

Scarlette at around 10 pm. The manager was so friendly (of course) and took time to show me around and the house rules. I got a table and started ordering food as I was really hungry. After that started to order drinks and started looking at the talent. The girls will not bother you at all, except few girls going around dancing for few seconds and expecting some tips from the table. I think these girls are 8's at max. I have been spoiled by FKKs in Germany I guess. I was talking with few girls, offering them drinks, but damn, the cocktails and fresh fruit juice here cost the same. Around 450 UAH or something. I am not complaining as their business is depending on the prices of these drinks apart from what they earn from lapdances and omission from the girl leaving the bar with the customer. Sorry, but I do not have a clue of which girls I have been talking to, but they were few of them at my table and we were having drinks with this Turkish smoking hookah. It was a good experience as the girls were allowing me to touch at the table. I could not settle at any girl my needs were pale marble skin + at least see cup (non fake)+ young. This combo would have been easy pick in FKKs, but I am in different providing country. Not everyone speak English, so it would be a challenge for Asian look guy to pick any girl of his choice even he is a spender. At last the manager came to ask why I am not taking any girls back at 1 am and I told him that either girl does not want to come with me or I do not want to take a girl with flat chest. And yes, correct me if I am wrong, but there is scarcity of big tit girls in Ukraine. Finally I took a girl with a very nice smile, with a tattoo on her left hand. Her smile was so sweet and her English was good. She was neither pale not did she have big tits. But that smile ruined my needs and I took her back to the hotel. My god, I did choose well. (forgot her name, sorry, I am terrible with names). At the very beginning, I told her that she will have to stay for 3 hours at least, no matter how many time I finish. She agreed. First time was, easy peezy, finished in 15 minutes in normal classic sex. She started cuddling me and after 30 minutes, she started giving me CBJ. I was starting to feel sleepy as CBJ does not excite me anymore. Then she got tired and started licking my balls. Things got little excited here. Then she went even down and started eating my ass with almost passion I could see. I normally would feel uncomfortable, but we showered after the first round before started to cuddle, so I felt clean. And enjoyed it very very much. After 5 minutes of that passion, I could not keep it any longer, done was the round two. It was almost 4.15, and I was super tired. I asked her that she can leave if she wants to. She went to clean herself, I checked for my valuables, all were in place, and she left. Did not wake until 11 next morning.

I am tired and drunk right now, so will write about day 2 later sometime. Sorry guys, good night.

[Kozerog]

When they come to you it is their time lost. IMHO girls try harder to extend time for another hours or so. It is also a break from routine for them.

You going to the apartment costs the agency nothing. If you don't like it and leave, another guy will arrive soon. That answers my question a few pages back to Steve69 about reasons for preferring outcall to incall. Like I wrote, I've never tried incall in Kiev but thought it would be more convenient for test driving an independent who offers both incall and outcall, since no laundry of towels and sheets at my apartment afterwards. Based on PhotoSlider's comments, I now think better to go with outcall from the start. Moot point anyway, since I'm happy with seeing my jewel twice a week (4200 uah or $160 for 4 hours for reference, since several people asked about prices recently) and not looking for a replacement yet. My original plan was to see the jewel three times a week, but that was too much and her visits started to feel like a chore rather than a pleasure. I have a strong need for occasional sex with a young girl, but anything beyond occasional and I quickly become overloaded. Very different nervous system from most of the guys on this forum. My jewel says I'm like a monk, except monk who's not too strict about his vow of celibacy.

On another note, to practice modern colloquial Russian, I've been reading the women's profiles on mamba. Sponsor seeking girls keep it short and simple, as do young girls in general. Whereas the ones in their 40's write the same batshit crazy catlady rants as women in that age group in the USA on match.com, etc. So glad I don't have to deal with that foolishness any more now that I've committed to mongering.

That mid-30's girl at one of my social circles is still coming on to me. I told her my true age (62) and my plan to leave Ukraine in mid August and that I spend most of the year traveling, summer in Kiev, rest of the time alone in the mountains or desert. In other words, no hope of a long term relationship between us. Explicitly offering money would make me less attractive, given how conservative she is. She already has children, so only thing I can offer is sexual adventure, a summer fling, which she wants but is afraid of. I'm also ambivalent. As noted above, I have limited space in my life for sexual relationships with women and that space is already occupied by the jewel, who is very reliable whereas this other woman is an unknown quantity. Then again, the jewel is very emotionally disciplined and will never allow herself to fall in love with me, though she is fond of me, and me of her. I have no need for love but my vanity would be flattered by having a much younger woman, like this woman from the social circle, fall deeply in love with me, plus that makes the sex much more intense. Love is the one thing that can make sex with a real woman significantly better than masturbation, at least for me.

[DramaFree11]

That is a crazy amount of money to spend in Kiev, but sounds like you had fun!

So, a friend and I arrived in Kiev on 24 May to watch the CL final on 26th. Apart from the football a lot of other exciting stuff was also planned.

Here's a review.

24th.

Scarlette (500 UAH entry each) - we were awestruck by the quality of girls. Most were 7 and above! I had a lapdance from Naomi (the young cutie with braces). She's awesome but refused to come out citing that she's just 18! Anyways, my friend took a tall pretty girl back to the hotel for 300 USD. He had a great time!

25th.

We decided to meet WGs. Got a contact from the relaxkiev site. Sad that Gia is dead. Anyways, the hunt for the girls place was more exciting than the fuck. Somewhere in a dilapidated apartment complex in pechersky. It was wham bam thank you mam. Nothing exciting. UAH2000 each.

26th.

Tired and somewhat morose (after the Reds' rather dramatic loss to Real), we went to Arena. Settled for Harem but the (fake) wait put us off and we landed in Penthouse. It was quite a different experience from Scarlette. Also, the entry and cover was quite costly (think UAH2000 each)! Different experience. Some ladies were 6/7 on 10 and others were more like 4/6 on 10.

27th.

Scarlette again. For what was one of the most memorable nights of my life. My friend and I were in a mood to spend money. After the managers (yet again) fake drama of 'no tables' despite making reservations on the phone, we finally got one after 30 minutes after the manager noticed the expensive drinks we had ordered. What follows next is epic. We got the prettiest girls in the house (1 each) and convinced them to spend the night with us. (600 USD each but then we we like who's going to come back to Kiev again so let's make a night to remember). At 2 am we left the club with the girls (Rada and Karina, I think) and they took us to Dolls! We danced, had 3 way lap dances, drank our brains out, made out with the girls on the floor, swapped them for groping etc, 3 way smooches et al. The best GFE experience we have had!! Only negative is that Dolls, as a choice made by the girls, was probably a set up. We were cajoled into spending 13000 UAH at Dolls!

Anyways, came back to the room at 5 am and banged the girls for 1.5 hrs till the girls begged us to let them go!! Karina was a special. She was quite a squirter. Rada was the prettiest girl I have been with but it's a pity she didn't speak English. Both girls made real moans (or so we would like to believe) and loved to fuck us!! The 4 some experience drained us out completely but left us fully satisfied. What an end to the trip!!

28th.

After some sightseeing, we took a flight back home in the evening!

[PhotoSlider]

I've never tried incall in Kiev but thought it would be more convenient for test driving an independent who offers both incall and outcall, since no laundry of towels and sheets at my apartment afterwards. Based on PhotoSlider's comments, I now think better to go with outcall from the start.Nowadays I prefer to stay in Kiev for over a month. Therefore I ask my landlord to bring lots of towels (15-20 sets large + small), and have cleaning service every 3-4 days. This adds to rental fee, but makes it more like a hotel in that respect.

When girls come to me, I do not spend time and money on taxi and subway. Instead I can do whatever I please in my own element. Work, watch a concert on TV, take a shower, shave my pubic hair, drink favorite beverages and consume decent food.

When the lady of the night arrives (and passes the initial outdoor 5-10 seconds casting), we can also do all of the above together, so that she relaxes, and performs better.

In the past I did my share of apartment trial and error hunting process. With rare exceptions it was rundown flats with ladies lacking enthusiasm. Whoever was better than average did shutdown eventually, either on their own, or with the help of brave law enforcement gentlemen.


That mid-30's girl at one of my social circles is still coming on to me.There are few choices:

1. Succumb to temptation and take her.

2. Continue daydreaming, if that indeed gives you the pleasure. Kind of like a tantric sex, without penetration.

3. Explain to her that you can not possibly take advantage of her. Then invite her upstairs for a cup of tea. Explain again that you respect the rules within your social circle. And then take her anyway.

Ukrainian women in their 30's are rather horny. They need it, and they surely do it. She is obviously attracted because you behave properly. If I am not mistaken, you are somewhat romantic, which is rare with local males. The question is if you are ready emotionally.

Assuming she is not Glenn Close type form Fatal Attraction, I wouldn't regret anything, and just go for it. How else can you learn if she's good in bed or not? Do it for free, do not spoil your relationship.

One of my best ones (mother of two) simply asked where she can wash her hands, and in 10 minutes unexpectedly emerged from the bathroom wrapped in a little towel with a doubtless anticipation written on her face. My jaw dropped, she smiled and graciously proceeded with her intentions.

[Durando]

Hi fellow punters,

Planning a trip to Kiev at the end of July. Started doing some research. I've tried Prague independents and there I've found a lot of them, with good reputation and etc. It seems no such thing in Kiev? Share your beautiful independent outcall sources please!

[Meesee]

I regret my searches for discussion about Gia return nothing. I don't know why this happens.

But may I ask if anyone knows why Gia closed it's business? gia.la is dead.

[Durando]

Can any of you recommend legit independents? How legit are they from relaxkiev?

[Crapau]

Hi,

I am in Kiev now and hard to find a quite cheap and beautiful girl, surely because some used to pay a lot for girls the prices increased.

Our great hobby will be only for the rich in few years.

We already can't have the change to find a good girl as GF for free and soon we won't be able to get laid at all.

If some feel pity for me and know good number, place where to find the last heaven in Kiev.

Thank for your help.

[Misterxxx]

I regret my searches for discussion about Gia return nothing. I don't know why this happens.
But may I ask if anyone knows why Gia closed it's business? gia.la is dead.Gia was in the business for a very long time.

Almost two decades.

Much can happen during this time.

It was known that Gia was protected by the police.

But in 20 years many policemen come and go.

Maybe the bosses are different today.

Maybe the new chiefs of the police are more honest.

Maybe the bosses just wanted more money.

And Gia did not pay.

Ukrainians are known as greedy.

Or the bosses wanted to set a signal.

In any case, I was surprised that Gia has survived so long.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine.

There are mass raids in illegal brothels.

This is always shown in Local TV.

The customers can also be seen in such news broadcasts.

Often foreigners. Turks. Arab.

Therefore I recommend not to visit a brothel.

That can end badly.

[Sponsor74]

I do have a tip for you that want an alternative to Mamba and Tinder. Fdating is a totally free international dating site, from my experience almost free of scam-girls.

Most of the girls are from Russia and Ukraine and there can be over 1000 girls online an evening. There are many, many from Kiev.

It works best with a computer, its not an app.Thanks.

For this information and happy to know that there is now a better option to Mamba.

Please let me know the web details to see this Fdating.

Thanks.

[MagicSheep74]

Hi,

I am in Kiev now and hard to find a quite cheap and beautiful girl, surely because some used to pay a lot for girls the prices increased.

Our great hobby will be only for the rich in few years.

We already can't have the change to find a good girl as GF for free and soon we won't be able to get laid at all.

If some feel pity for me and know good number, place where to find the last heaven in Kiev.

Thank for your help.Our great hobby is still a great hobby, but just not in Ukraine.

Cheap and beautiful, these 2 words do not apply to women in Ukraine.

Here are your 2 options.

Rio. Stripclub.

Scarlette. Stripclub.

$300 take out for a reasonably attractive girl.

[Jojosun]

Thanks.

For this information and happy to know that there is now a better option to Mamba.

Please let me know the web details to see this Fdating.

Thanks.I wouldn't get too excited before reading reviews of the site.

https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/fdating.com

https://www.trustpilot.com/review/fdating.com

[Crapau]

If that 300 dollars for one girl I think Ukraine is very overrated as in Spain France or Germany you can have a beautiful for less than 100.

And mongers from China or India are going to up the prices to 1000 dollars for the most average common girl maybe you could be like me thinking that way to much.

And when I read that some pay girl to be allowed to lick their pussies I start to lose hope in humanity LOL.

[DramaFree11]

Agree, plus travel expenses way more then $300. Not to mention buying drinks, cover charge and the other scams. I have been saying this for years.

If that 300 dollars for one girl I think Ukraine is very overrated as in Spain France or Germany you can have a beautiful for less than 100.

And mongers from China or India are going to up the prices to 1000 dollars for the most average common girl maybe you could be like me thinking that way to much.

And when I read that some pay girl to be allowed to lick their pussies I start to lose hope in humanity.

[Kozerog]

1. Succumb to temptation and take her.
2. Continue daydreaming (...)Thanks for reading and replying, helps me to sort out my thoughts / feelings.

I'm not that tempted. I sense there would be more sexual passion with this civilian than with my jewel (independent escort). But do I even care about passion anymore? I've spent an awful lot of time alone in nature these past 20 years to where I can't tolerate other people around me for long, though I do need occasional sex with a young woman to feel complete. One of my little weaknesses, along with my love of chocolate and cats. Fortunately, the jewel has gotten in the habit of napping for 90 minutes or so after sex, while I continuing petting her, so I get the four hours of her naked body next to me without having to talk so damned much. Better than a pet cat because I don't have to feed her or clean the litter box nor find someone else to take of her when I leave Kiev in August.


(...) The question is if you are ready emotionally.Ready emotionally to have two women in my life? LOL. The one time in my life I tried managing a harem I nearly went crazy and finally got rid of them all for a while until I cooled down. That was when I had a much higher sex drive. No way I could do that now.

Speaking of sex drive, blood tests are fairly inexpensive here in Kiev. I got the "man over 40" package at Synevo for about 900 uah. They use German technology. Website in all 3 languages: Ukrainian, Russian, English. Results sent via email in the evening if blood drawn in the early morning (as it should be, especially for testosterone). Last year, result PDF was in English, this year it was in Ukrainian. Maybe English results still available but I needed to ask for that at time of payment. Anyway, everything very healthy, including testosterone at 26.5 nmol / L = 764 ng / dL, which is high for a man of 62. Still have morning erections and no problems getting erections with the jewel, though admittedly I do dose myself with 50 MG sildenafil two hours beforehand just in case. However, libido in the sense of wanting sex with women gone. Intercourse feels like a tiresome duty. Like morning calisthenics / yoga, something unpleasant but necessary for good health. It's holding the girl afterwards that I really look forwards to, just as I look forwards to corpse pose at the end of morning exercises. But I wouldn't enjoy just cuddling without preceding intercourse. I know readers here will shake their heads at all this. Old age is funny. Good news is older people tend to be constantly cheerful and happy, as I am, at least if in good physical health. Maybe loss of interest in sex the secret to their constant good mood.

[Sorbonne]

Gia was in the business for a very long time.

Almost two decades.

Much can happen during this time.

It was known that Gia was protected by the police.

But in 20 years many policemen come and go.

Maybe the bosses are different today.

Maybe the new chiefs of the police are more honest.

Maybe the bosses just wanted more money.

And Gia did not pay.

Ukrainians are known as greedy.

Or the bosses wanted to set a signal.

In any case, I was surprised that Gia has survived so long.

Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine.

There are mass raids in illegal brothels.

This is always shown in Local TV.

The customers can also be seen in such news broadcasts.

Often foreigners. Turks. Arab.

Therefore I recommend not to visit a brothel.

That can end badly.By brothel you mean apartment, right? So you don't recommend apartments?

There are so many of them, and just going to one of them feels safe from police men, LOL.

[Johneash]

Gia was in the business for a very long time.

Maybe the bosses are different today.

Maybe the new chiefs of the police are more honest.

Maybe the bosses just wanted more money.

And Gia did not pay.

Often foreigners. Turks. Arab.

.My info points to a different reason. As from what I know, a "German" (probably of Turkish / Arab origin) was arrested with some hooker, turns out she was sent by Gia, this set in motion a "human traffic" investigation, Ukraine is begging the EU for money, so they have no option now but to throw their "friends" to the wolves in Brussles.

Klitschko was only to happy to be the good little puppy. The most hillarious thing about all this, is the idiots that sent thier bank details & passport scans to hire from Gia. LOL. (ahh, but don't worry, the Ukraine police are known for their honor & high regard for justice. Loool) You guys are sooo fked, if in the EU, the knock on the door is coming, if outside the EU, expect the blackmail notes to arrive. If you are a penny less bum. You still going to get fcked at the airport next time you travel. Smh you dummies never learn.

[Riina]

My info points to a different reason. As from what I know, a "German" (probably of Turkish / Arab origin) was arrested with some hooker, turns out she was sent by Gia, this set in motion a "human traffic" investigation, Ukraine is begging the EU for money, so they have no option now but to throw their "friends" to the wolves in Brussles.
Are you saying something bad happened to a Gia girl outside the country? I can believe this. Agencies are taken down if a girl gets hurt.

I don't think Brussels gives a shit about prostitution in Ukraine, especially Gia.

[Michi T]

Mamba turns out to be bullshit working girl girl website!

I spent hours and hours preparing for my 23 June trip to Kiev. Often it sounded good but eventually, all girls started about money. Some want 200 EUR a night, some 1000 EUR a week, etc. PLUS, needless to say, they expect you to invite them to expensive restaurants and expensive food / drink, shopping, mini bar, taxi etc. Finaally, 200 EUR per night will easily become 400 EUR.

Another scam I came accross: some beautiful top girls imnediately agreed to meet. But the never want to call on video phone. Always next day. Or some addressed me with "my dear". That is typically for Nigeria/Ghana scam!

For me, nooooo! Nada such thing! I will go again good old way, walking around talk to girls in park, beach, river, restuaant Who wants to join me?



Thanks.

For this information and happy to know that there is now a better option to Mamba.

Please let me know the web details to see this Fdating.

Thanks.

[Member #4722]

Mamba turns out to be bullshit working girl girl website!

I spent hours and hours preparing for my 23 June trip to Kiev. Often it sounded good but eventually, all girls started about money. Some want 200 EUR a night, some 1000 EUR a week, etc. PLUS, needless to say, they expect you to invite them to expensive restaurants and expensive food / drink, shopping, mini bar, taxi etc. Finaally, 200 EUR per night will easily become 400 EUR.

Another scam I came accross: some beautiful top girls imnediately agreed to meet. But the never want to call on video phone. Always next day. Or some addressed me with "my dear". That is typically for Nigeria/Ghana scam!

For me, nooooo! Nada such thing! I will go again good old way, walking around talk to girls in park, beach, river, restuaant Who wants to join me?Really?? I sent out about 100 messages and only got 7-10 responses but got some nice contacts already $100/ HR or $100 for two hours. Granted I like girls next door slim with fair skin but their Viber pics match their profile pics.

[DramaFree11]

Not sure why this is a big surprise, this has been talked about many times. A lot guys tend to exaggerate. Kiev is difficult, unless you have real low standards. The only thing that works in grinding away on the streets, but be prepared for many rejections.

There are so many scams in Kiev, thank you for your honesty and speaking about this subject. A lot of guys, just are not honest and say how easy it is in Kiev, just not true.

Mamba turns out to be bullshit working girl girl website!

I spent hours and hours preparing for my 23 June trip to Kiev. Often it sounded good but eventually, all girls started about money. Some want 200 EUR a night, some 1000 EUR a week, etc. Plus, needless to say, they expect you to invite them to expensive restaurants and expensive food / drink, shopping, mini bar, taxi etc. Finally, 200 EUR per night will easily become 400 EUR.

Another scam I came across: some beautiful top girls immediately agreed to meet. But the never want to call on video phone. Always next day. Or some addressed me with "my dear". That is typically for Nigeria / Ghana scam!

For me, nooooo! Nada such thing! I will go again good old way, walking around talk to girls in park, beach, river, restaurant. Who wants to join me?

[AandradeBoy23]

I do have a tip for you that want an alternative to Mamba and Tinder. Fdating is a totally free international dating site, from my experience almost free of scam-girls.

Most of the girls are from Russia and Ukraine and there can be over 1000 girls online an evening. There are many, many from Kiev.

It works best with a computer, its not an app.Thanks a ton for the information. I really think that it can be very useful for a brief visit to the Ukrainian capital.

Do these girls give their number so easily? Are there Wi-Fi spots all over the city (cafes, restaurants, etc)?

Thanks in advance!

[Misterxxx]

I spent hours and hours preparing for my 23 June trip to Kiev...The date is a problem.

1. It's right after Ramadan. A lot of arabian people who didn't come to Kiev during Ramadan will flush into the city. The price will go up.

It's always better to go during the Ramadan time. Because there are less arabian clients.

2. It's holiday season. A lot of girls already went to the sea-side or visit family-members in another country.

3. Most girls don't want to give the contact number if you are not in Kiev. Too many people just sit at home, rubbing the dick and will never come.

Most girls also need money "right now". To pay the rent or to buy a new phone. They don't care if you come in 2 or 3 weeks. At that time they can already have a new boyfriend and be angels.

[TeFab456]

Or some addressed me with "my dear". That is typically for Nigeria / Ghana scam!It is quite common for Ukrainian girls to address a man as "dear" or "my dear", no need to think of Africa. Girls from Nigeria or Ghana do often use fake location but usually post picture revealing their blackness. I've been "deared" my many Ukrainian girls, and often quite tenderly.

[PhotoSlider]

It is quite common for Ukrainian girls to address a man as "dear" or "my dear", no need to think of Africa. Girls from Nigeria or Ghana do often use fake location but usually post picture revealing their blackness. I've been "deared" my many Ukrainian girls, and often quite tenderly.The reason is quite simple:

For many centuries ladies around the world do not use first name for their male counterparts to avoid confusion. Let's say you are Michael and she calls you Alex instead, while you think you are the one and only one.

Hence "my dear", "honey", "darling", etc.

Many mamba responses are cookie-cutter. Boys do it, girls are no different.

I insist on using real first names for my girlfriends, and am certainly pleased when they reciprocate.

[PhotoSlider]

...Better than a pet cat because I don't have to feed her or clean the litter box...OMG! Your metaphors are taken from Nabokov's book, no less!


..The one time in my life I tried managing a harem I nearly went crazy and finally got rid of them all...Enjoying it myself for over five years in a row now. And I am far from being the only one on this Forum.

The favorite one in the harem doesn't mind my occasional escapades on a side. Stronger Kiev girls have enough self-respect not to spoil relationship with jealousy.


Old age is funny. Good news is older people tend to be constantly cheerful and happy, as I am, at least if in good physical health. Maybe loss of interest in sex the secret to their constant good mood.10 years ago I was told that soon my promiscuity will fade away. Still waiting for that to happen. Somehow, even without any help from pharmaceutical companies, Ukrainian ladies arouse strong desire to partake on a regular basis.

[Curious12]

Are there Wi-Fi spots all over the city (cafes, restaurants, etc)?Pretty much everywhere. McD is the most popular one. Many other restaurants / cafes / bars will have wi fi as well.

[RedFork]

Mamba turns out to be bullshit working girl girl website!

I spent hours and hours preparing for my 23 June trip to Kiev. Often it sounded good but eventually, all girls started about money. Some want 200 EUR a night, some 1000 EUR a week, etc. PLUS, needless to say, they expect you to invite them to expensive restaurants and expensive food / drink, shopping, mini bar, taxi etc. Finaally, 200 EUR per night will easily become 400 EUR.

Another scam I came accross: some beautiful top girls imnediately agreed to meet. But the never want to call on video phone. Always next day. Or some addressed me with "my dear". That is typically for Nigeria/Ghana scam!

For me, nooooo! Nada such thing! I will go again good old way, walking around talk to girls in park, beach, river, restuaant Who wants to join me?Mitch,

I'll be there on the 26th. If you're still there, we should catch up.

[Tinny2000]

Found the following websites:

relaxkiev.com

https://relaxportal.biz/eng/

Are they good.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[Masha1104]

Found the following websites:

relaxkiev.com

https://relaxportal.biz/eng/

Are they good.

Any suggestions?

Thanks.90% profiles are fake on this site.

If same number on several profiles. Its agency.

They'll write like they independent, send fake pics but only 5-10% of that all really independent.

[TouringT]

Hello,

I just wanted to contribute after reading carefully 30+ pages of the forum posts and visiting Kiev. I realize a lot of members here were depending on GIA. I never personally used it. I came to Kiev unsure if I'd pick anyone up. A lot of posts seemed to suggest it could be quite complicated and I was only visiting briefly. Honestly, I found things fairly straightforward. I accidentally came across Carribean Cafe while searching for live music venues. The reviews made it clear that this was a pickup spot and some forum members confirmed this when I asked. I'm surprised it doesn't come up more here. Entry to the club was fairly reasonable. I can't recall specifically how much. The drink prices are also quite reasonable once you're inside. It's literally packed with working girls dancing and open to being approached. Reminded me a bit of 49 ers in Abu Dhabi but bigger and nicer. It has the advantage of Rio in that you can see and meet the girl in advance before deciding. You can discuss the details of time, services and fee and if you agree head off. I met a cute young Ukrainian (early to mid 20's) who agreed to come home with me for 3+ hours for $150 which is honestly a bargain. She refuses to offer BBBJ but otherwise services were good. She was friendly pleasant, spoke English well, had a nice tight body and despite the cover gave nice head. I was falling asleep at some point and sent her home a bit early but she didn't push to leave early at any point in the evening. There were some really stunning women in the club and some who I wouldn't sleep with if they paid me but overall it should be easy to find someone to enjoy an evening with and I imagine most would be willing to come home with you for an evening for $150-200. Also if you'd like you can also pick up someone and make an evening of it dancing at the club before going home. Personally, I prefer to agree and head home but to each their own.

My other stop was the Moulin Rouge massage parlor. Their website lays out all the pricing and they are very responsive on online chats. Make sure you decide on which massage you like, what's included and the price before you arrive because at first the madame tried to up the prices until I reminded her what was written on the website. Upon arriving I saw a lineup of at least 7 or 8 ladies. I went with a cute petite one who gave me a HJ at the beginning and end of the session. She was very friendly as well, knew what she was doing and while massaging me put her behind right in my face in the most amazing way imaginable.

[Michi T]

Mitch,

I'll be there on the 26th. If you're still there, we should catch up.Yes, will be there 23-26 June. Send me private message to arrange.

[BillV90]

Hello,

I just wanted to contribute after reading carefully 30+ pages of the forum posts and visiting Kiev. I realize a lot of members here were depending on GIA. I never personally used it. I came to Kiev unsure if I'd pick anyone up. A lot of posts seemed to suggest it could be quite complicated and I was only visiting briefly. Honestly, I found things fairly straightforward. I accidentally came across Carribean Cafe while searching for live music venues. The reviews made it clear that this was a pickup spot and some forum members confirmed this when I asked. I'm surprised it doesn't come up more here. Entry to the club was fairly reasonable. I can't recall specifically how much. The drink prices are also quite reasonable once you're inside. It's literally packed with working girls dancing and open to being approached. Reminded me a bit of 49 ers in Abu Dhabi but bigger and nicer. It has the advantage of Rio in that you can see and meet the girl in advance before deciding. You can discuss the details of time, services and fee and if you agree head off. I met a cute young Ukrainian (early to mid 20's) who agreed to come home with me for 3+ hours for $150 which is honestly a bargain. She refuses to offer BBBJ but otherwise services were good. She was friendly pleasant, spoke English well, had a nice tight body and despite the cover gave nice head. I was falling asleep at some point and sent her home a bit early but she didn't push to leave early at any point in the evening. There were some really stunning women in the club and some who I wouldn't sleep with if they paid me but overall it should be easy to find someone to enjoy an evening with and I imagine most would be willing to come home with you for an evening for $150-200. Also if you'd like you can also pick up someone and make an evening of it dancing at the club before going home. Personally, I prefer to agree and head home but to each their own..I like the post, great one!

I like those kind of cafe places and I can imagine there is a great vibe. I've also read for quite some time here in the Kiev forum, Many oppose to negotiate in US dollar, better to talk in UAH, how much would 100 $ be in UAH? I'm going to check the massage place up on the website.

Once again great post.

[Auaind]

Greetings Everyone.

*Warning long post*.

It feels like an age since I've posted anything (probably years) but that's probably more down to me sticking to my tried-and-tested destinations (Dubai. East Africa, Thailand) and there's no shortage of information on those places.

So I find myself with some spare time (and airmiles) over the weekend and decided go somewhere different. After a bit of research (a couple of beers chatting to some mates at the pub) I'm convinced to try Ukraine. Land of impossibly beautiful women. Suppliers to the brothels of the world including my beloved Dubai!! Why not go to the source? What could go wrong?

Ok so it's onto ISG for some information and I'm surprised at how little useful data there is to be found. For me, having been pursuing this hobby for 25+ years, that only means one of two things- there's so much easily available p*ssy (eg Kenya) around that there's really no need to exchange info OR the place is comatose and / or ridiculously expensive (Delhi). Most of the stuff I see on active forums like thailand and dubai is a lot of noise and very little signal- mostly insiders bantering with each other and telling newbies to "RTFF" instead of helping out.

Kiev is in a league of its own. Overall not great but I think it may have been just been me and my first Eastern European experience. I dunno.

Day 1:

Land late evening and get quick Taxi to city center (UAH 500 - like $20) after a big of haggling. By the way airport exchange rate sucks better to us an ATM for your first batch of local currency. The hotel I booked was Aloft Kiev. A starwood property so quite decent. Seemingly perfect location and walking distance to many bars and "entertainment areas". Ie Arena. I didn't want to go into any of the strip clubs as my experience with them in Europe is generally not good, and I can't afford to have a tinder profile (too risky) so I thought I'd pick up women the old fashioned way and really the only way I know how: From Hooker bars. Online reseach told me they're many of those but the ISG forum doesn't talk about them much. Now I know why.

First stop- a recommendation from a friend- Bratislava Hotel- a 20 min Uber ride away. The hotel has small strip club / cabaret in the back which is just a front for a bunch of hookers. My kind of place! My original plan was to do a a quick bang and hed to a club and pick up a freelancer. Got there around 11 pm and it's completely dead. One tiny stage and a stripper pole surrounded by sofas. No customers. Two girls playing with their phones in the bar area looking very bored. No even music. One tall leggy blonde (Sveta- MILF) comes up to me and asks if I want strip show. 200 UAH. OK. I pay. The music and tacky disco lights turn on- and she gets on the stage. Her dance was Ok. She takes her top off comes over and rubs her chest in my face. "you want private dance"? Ok I know where this is going. 600 UAH. Maybe later-I want to see more girls. One by one they all come out and it's the same routine- lame dancing and then an offer for "private". About 8 or 9 girls come through- ranging in looks from 4 to a maximum maybe 6 or 7. Sveta was maybe a 5/6. Finally I decide to try the "private show" and she ushers me into a small room on the side. Probably the worst "lap dance" I've ever spend money on but by now I'm horny as hell because I've just spend the last half hour watching naked women gyrate in front of me. Albeit without much enthusiasm. At the end she asks me if I want sexy massage. $100. But I have to get a room in the hotel. Another $50. Alrighty then.

I head to the reception and ask for a room- elicts a wry smile from the receptionist fat mamma. Whatever. I have no shame. I give Sveta the room number and head up. After a few minutes she's up at the room and we begin. Quick shower, her body looks nicer than I remember downstairs. CBJ. Not particularly good one by the way, DATY. She stayed a bit dry despite my valiant tongue efforts and for me that's a bit of a turn off. No lube available either. She was very tight too- usually a good thing with lube. Without its awful. So I just told her to finish me off with her hands using some bathroom-amenity lotion.

I paid, took her number just for the heck of it, and left. Didn't realize it was way past 2 am by now and I'm tired. Decide to call it a night and head back to the hotel.

Summary- Hotel Bratislava.

Girls - 5/10.

Strip Show - 1/10.

Service - 5/10.

WIR- Not unless desparate. Little would I know.

Day 2:

A friend texts me a number of a semi pro (Julia) he met on tinder- "Try her- she was good to me". Ok. I whatsapp her and she replies. The usual banter. She's free at 7 and can meet me for dinner and we can go partying later. Ok, I think, I'll hit the clubs on my own later if this doesn't work out. I generally really like semi pros and everywhere that I have managed to meet one the experience has usually been excellent. GFE. Good, lowish-cost sex and a free tour guide to boot. I'm excited now and turn up at the the restaurant she chose. Boy was she was stunning! Way hotter than her whatsapp profile pic. Typical Ukranian model 9/10 hard body, beautiful face and dressed to kill in a tiny minidress. Did the usual dinner and chit-chat and she suggests we go for a drink at Arena City. I've heard about this place. Couple of high end (read: expensive) strip clubs, a few bars and some restaurants. Walkng distance- we go up to "THE BAR" which sits right about "THE BURGER" burger joint. Not very creative with names these Ukranians! Inside it has surprisingly cool vibe and about 12-14 seriously hot women in pairs sitting alone at the central bar area. A grand total of 2 guys including me. Fantastic ratios. So I casually ask Julia if these are "normal" girls or "working". She replies that they're looking for foreigners. Wow. My kind of place. And they're all giving me the international standard body-language- eye contact and looks of "hey I'm avaiable want to talk? Or so I thought. I guess Ukrainan body language is different from everywher else. So anyway I'm in this awesome bar with good music and my hottie and we're drinking and laughing and having a great time. Everything going swimmingly. Apparently. Around 2 am I'm about ready to leave and she's like I also have to go I work tomorrow. Come back to my hotel? No sorry I live 45 km from Kiev. Fuck. I feel like an idiot. By now the bar is packed and the ratio is more like 50-50 men / women which is never a good thing. I walk her outside to the taxis and send her off. Damn. Well there's still more pickings at the bar right? Wrong. Every single one of the girls in there were downright rude or dismissive when I approached. I thought maybe this was due to the fact that I had someone with me earlier so that put them off. Yeah right. So after an hour of trying I'm ready to give up and start to walk out down the stairs when pretty young thing (Marina) in a tiny black dress stops me - "Where you go? "Home"? "Lets go club". OK!! Don't have to ask twice! I can't help staring at her body- unbelievably sexy. Probably the best I've seen all night and that's saying something. So clearly am excited now. We take a taxi to a place called Dali club and I have to pay entrance 300 UAH but she gets in free. Cool. Inside it's a typical nightclub- overcrowded and noisy as hell. We go to the bar on the slightly quieter side to order a couple of drinks and exchange numbers. She disappears onto the dance floor and comes back a few minutes later. "I have to Work tomorrow you give momey for taxi- 200 UAH"? WTF? I decide to hang around the bar a bit more while she disappears again into the crowd. She doesn't come back. OK then. I approach some single-looking women as an experiment but again they snarl me away. Woah! Ok! I need to work on my approach maybe? Meanwhile Marina still hasn't gone home she's with some dudes on a private table.

Whatever.

Fed up now I take the taxi back to the hotel. Too frustrated to even jerk off.

Day 3- My last day.

Resove to NOT to waste time like the past two days and go straight to the hooker bars. Either "Carribean " or "Shooters". Online recommendations. Lots of girls easy to pick up. Good.

In the morning I get a text from Julia. Thanks for last night. I reply if I can see her again today and she says "I'll let you know". Universal womenspeak for "no". Not even sure why I asked. What was I expecting after last night? I really can be an idiot sometimes.

Around noon behold I get a text from Marina- what you doing today? Want to meet this afteroon? Umm ok. Again despite my instict telling me to STAY THE FUCK AWAY I agreed. I've made better judgement calls. 3 pm. Arena. Vapiano- italian restaurant. Very good by the way but this isn't a food blog.

I arrive a little early and order some food. The place is full of single women. I'm wondering if they're available or what? Didn't get a chance to find out as Marina shows up looking every bit as stunning as the night before- but this time in a short pink miniskirt and blazer to match. Woweee. We talk for a bit and I ask her if we can go back to the hotel. She says later- first have to go pick something up from the mall (Gulliver). Want to come? Ok. The mall's right next door to the hotel right. No problem. She does a bit of make up shopping (she pays) After following her ass aroud a couple of stores she says "Hey have you watched this movie about Pablo Escobar? I'd really like to see. Can we watch?" Ok why not it's still early. Might even get some fondling in the dark I think and pay for the tickets. In hindsight I should have cut it short right there but she was looking so so hot and we were sooo close to the hotel. Anyway there was no fondling of any kind to be had in the movie. Her body positioning didn't let that happen. Oh well. Right after I suggest again if we can go to hotel. "No my friends just message me they're coming lets have drink" then after. Alrighty then. So we sit at some outdoor cafe bar place just outside the mall. Friends show up. Equally hot. Now I'm surrounded by 3 amazingly beautiful women! I should be able to get at least ONE, right? Buying the drinks of course. Very cheap though so I'm not bothered. Somehow the discussion turns into "lets go clubbing from here" Its 1 am (by now there's no way she's coming to my room. I've been cockblocked! Dammit. Against my better judgement AGAIN I agree thinking that I'll be able to take her (or one of her friends) home with me at the end of the night. So I make it clear: "After Club- we come back to hotel, Ok?" "Ok" she sincerely agrees. "You not run away?" "No. I not run away- I come with you. " she replies and grabs my hand. Ok. I guess "not run away" means something else in Ukranian.

Back to Dali club of all places. Again 300 UAH entrance once past the refrigerator sized doormen. This club is full of 10/10 women and is huge. We head to the bar, get a round of drinks. I can't believe how cheap alcohol is here but I digress. 20 min later she says "I go dance with my friends ok?" OK. Disappears for at least 30 min. In retrospect after 15 min I should have realized that she (they?) had ditched me but hey I'm a sucker. I'm still surrounded by other random hot women so all is not lost I think. I start to make a few approaches. Again- dismissive snarls. Every. Single. One. WTF! I noticed other guys doing it too getting the same treatment. And these dudes appeared way better heeled, better dressed, younger and far far better looking than me. Something didn't seem right.

Anyhoo.

Wandered around the club for a while and hey presto Marina and her friends at some dude and his gang's table drinking their whiskey. Pretending they don't see me. Or maybe they really don't I dunno. Ok. Time to leave. Its 2. 30 am now and I don't have much time. After being rebuffed by every girl I approached I really didn't believe I'd have better luck at the other clubs so decided not to go that route.

In the taxi I remembered that I had Sveta's number- Whatsapp: what you doing? Nothing just leaving work. Come to my hotel? Ok. Wow that was easy! We arrive at roughly the same time. Straight up to the room- security and reception don't even bat an eyelid.

Clothes off- a much better session than the previous day although the dryness issue was still there but she did give me a BBBJ and let me finish in her mouth so that was bonus. Another $100. She stayed for a couple hours but I had to get rid of her as I had to get some sleep before heading to the airport at noon. She didn't seem in a hurry to leave and I'm sure I she would have stayed longer if I wanted.

So in conclusion- I'm not sure about Kiev. The "gentlemen clubs" are notoriously expensive but I hear you can take-out for $300 (yes dollars) for a COUPLE OF HOURS. No thanks. I don't like using escort sites in non-western countries for obvious reasons and I don't use tinder. My friend's semi pro recommendation didn't work out either.

I was hoping to find freelancers. Apparently they're available but I wasn't able to get anything but then I did get severely distracted by the scamming semi-pros.

Beautiful women are everywhere. Maybe tinder is the way to go? I don't know. I also think I fell into the semi-pro trap but that's' just a soft spot for me. I'm not blaming the place or the women. Maybe I need to work on my approach with the freelancers. The usual "Hi. Are you alone / can I get you a drink / do you mind if I join you / etc" gambit doesn't seem to pay off everywhere- perhaps only in the "Specialized clubs".

I don't expect to be back in Kiev unless I have a reason to. And this time I'll stick to Carribean Club. Even an old dog like me needs to be taught a lesson once in a while!!

Peace out!

/ A.

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Auaind and TouringT. Two guys with short visits. Frank honest sufficiently detailed reports, and somewhat different results.

Both got laid though. Seems that Sveta on the 2nd try wasn't that bad of a deal: BBBJ, CIM and few hours for $100 with a good looking lady, I wouldn't mind that.

Cutting expenses and minimizing losses is indeed an art in Kiev. Be too accommodating and get milked. Be curt, and there's a risk of staying alone. Being firm and assertive helps to gain respect, but time is needed to establish diverse enough base for sufficient freedom of choice.

Big thanks to both gentlemen for informative feedback on current state of affairs.


Greetings Everyone.

*Warning long post*.

...snip...

I don't expect to be back in Kiev unless I have a reason to. And this time I'll stick to Carribean Club...

[Curious12]

how much would 100 $ be in UAH? 2650-2700.

[Auaind]

Auaind and TouringT. Two guys with short visits. Frank honest sufficiently detailed reports, and somewhat different results.

Both got laid though. Seems that Sveta on the 2nd try wasn't that bad of a deal: BBBJ, CIM and few hours for $100 with a good looking lady, I wouldn't mind that.

Cutting expenses and minimizing losses is indeed an art in Kiev. Be too accommodating and get milked. Be curt, and there's a risk of staying alone. Being firm and assertive helps to gain respect, but time is needed to establish diverse enough base for sufficient freedom of choice.

Big thanks to both gentlemen for informative feedback on current state of affairs.100% Spot-and re: firm and assertive. Unfortunately that doesn't come naturally to those of us brainwashed 24/7 in the west to be submissive to women so something that needs to be "learned" and hence needs a little time. Pretty sure a couple of weeks would be enough. Unfortunately togther with the western brainwashing comes corporate slavery so we don't have the luxury of weeks. Such is life.

/ A.

[CastOnThis]

Auaind, you just discovered Ukrainians are scammers. They have a street credit reputation that they hold dear over there. The only real way past it is to be tall. They have a thing for tall men that has the potential to treat them like trash. The worse a man treats them the more they enjoy him. Strange place, but it isn't worth hitting women in clubs. TheBar is an alright place as long as you get there early, but so is nearly every bar close to the main street in Kiev. Get there early and hit on them. You have to do your best to be affirmative if not, she will do her best to screw you over. Part of me always just gives them money because I feel bad. But I know how to play the game when it comes. Don't hit on girls going to bars hit on them on the street and look good, but not too much "pride". It may sound like blasphemous, but try to act like she is "smart" even if it isn't true.

[DramaFree11]

Spot-and re: firm and assertive. Unfortunately that doesn't come naturally to those of us brainwashed 24/7 in the west to be submissive to women so something that needs to be "learned" and hence needs a little time. Pretty sure a couple of weeks would be enough. Unfortunately together with the western brainwashing comes corporate slavery so we don't have the luxury of weeks. Such is life.

Good advise, but it will only work, if they like you. If they do not the games will continue and they will try to get as cash out of you as possible.

[Riina]

Auaind, you just discovered Ukrainians are scammers. They have a street credit reputation that they hold dear over there. The only real way past it is to be tall. They have a thing for tall men that has the potential to treat them like trash. The worse a man treats them the more they enjoy him. Strange place, but it isn't worth hitting women in clubs. TheBar is an alright place as long as you get there early, but so is nearly every bar close to the main street in Kiev. Get there early and hit on them. You have to do your best to be affirmative if not, she will do her best to screw you over. Part of me always just gives them money because I feel bad. But I know how to play the game when it comes. Don't hit on girls going to bars hit on them on the street and look good, but not too much "pride". It may sound like blasphemous, but try to act like she is "smart" even if it isn't true.Time is what you need in Kiev, not your height. Why can an older guy like Kozerog in his soviet apartment develop a relationship? Time and his wisdom as to how it all works.

Fly into Kiev on a short trip with your big ego and money, expect to leave telling yourself Ukrainians are scum of the earth.

[PhotoSlider]

Time is what you need in Kiev, not your height. Why can an older guy like Kozerog in his soviet apartment develop a relationship? Time and his wisdom as to how it all works.

Fly into Kiev on a short trip with your big ego and money, expect to leave telling yourself Ukrainians are scum of the earth.Riina,

Few more aspects from your prior posts come to mind, thinking about Kozerog:

1. Staying fit, watching weight and appearance. Dress well, but do not overdo.

2. Being confident, but not arrogant.

3. Most importantly Kozerog is not bitter about cheaters and liars. Aware of the phenomenon for sure, but he doesn't mention it. He also doesn't make himself vulnerable, and avoids "vacuum cleaners" by not going to strip clubs and such.

Ukrainian girls have extremely well developed sense, almost like a military grade sonar, that helps them to detect:

- Is this guy stable and reliable? Is he trustworthy?

- Does he like me?

- Can he take care of my needs?

- Am I going to have good time with him?

- Is there a better alternative?

If the guy is insecure and needy, - forget it! Ukrainian girls can be your dedicated personal babysitters, but billing rate is rather high. Otherwise, see above.

[Riina]

Riina,

Few more aspects from your prior posts come to mind, thinking about Kozerog:

1. Staying fit, watching weight and appearance. Dress well, but do not overdo.

2. Being confident, but not arrogant.

3. Most importantly Kozerog is not bitter about cheaters and liars. Aware of the phenomenon for sure, but he doesn't mention it. He also doesn't make himself vulnerable, and avoids "vacuum cleaners" by not going to strip clubs and such.

Ukrainian girls have extremely well developed sense, almost like a military grade sonar, that helps them to detect:

- Is this guy stable and reliable? Is he trustworthy?

- Does he like me?

- Can he take care of my needs?

- Am I going to have good time with him?

- Is there a better alternative?

If the guy is insecure and needy, - forget it! Ukrainian girls can be your dedicated personal babysitters, but billing rate is rather high. Otherwise, see above.Yes, agreed. Their's a lot of important details in Kozerog's reports that most readers will completely miss. I'd have to post a book here to share how they related to my own experiences.

[MagicSheep74]

Yes, agreed. Their's a lot of important details in Kozerog's reports that most readers will completely miss. I'd have to post a book here to share how they related to my own experiences.I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality.

6. Have no sense of humour.

7. look like you have just be released from prison.

8. Be unable to date any women outside the former soviet union countries.

9. Have lots of black market money to throw around until your killed or locked up in prison.

10. Allocate lots of funds for plastic surgery to your current prostitute / girlfriend.

Gets all these right, and you might be in with a chance at dating one of these shallow, bottom feeding, hollow pieces of garbage until they find some other pot bellied Ukrainian with a larger illegal bank account.

Happy days.

[Mathew1984]

Greetings Everyone.

*Warning long post*.

It feels like an age since I've posted anything (probably years) but that's probably more down to me sticking to my tried-and-tested destinations (Dubai. East Africa, Thailand) and there's no shortage of information on those places.

So I find myself with some spare time (and airmiles) over the weekend and decided go somewhere different. After a bit of research (a couple of beers chatting to some mates at the pub) I'm convinced to try Ukraine. Land of impossibly beautiful women. Suppliers to the brothels of the world including my beloved Dubai!! Why not go to the source? What could go wrong?

Ok so it's onto ISG for some information and I'm surprised at how little useful data there is to be found. For me, having been pursuing this hobby for 25+ years, that only means one of two things- there's so much easily available p*ssy (eg Kenya) around that there's really no need to exchange info OR the place is comatose and / or ridiculously expensive (Delhi). Most of the stuff I see on active forums like Thailand and Dubai is a lot of noise and very little signal- mostly insiders bantering with each other and telling newbies to "RTFF" instead of helping out..Very nice post elaborate but feel sorry for the disappointment you had.

You should have led the girls you met. You simply said yes to everything they did.

Played their game. Next time make them play your game.

Also get a table if you can, those WG will come and sit with you. You walking around naaa, sit there like a king among all those hot women.

Let them see you. That 100 you gave to that stripper would have made you a king in the club.

[Auaind]

I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality.

6. Have no sense of humour.

7. look like you have just be released from prison.

8. Be unable to date any women outside the former soviet union countries.

9. Have lots of black market money to throw around until your killed or locked up in prison.

10. Allocate lots of funds for plastic surgery to your current prostitute / girlfriend.

Gets all these right, and you might be in with a chance at dating one of these shallow, bottom feeding, hollow pieces of garbage until they find some other pot bellied Ukrainian with a larger illegal bank account.

Happy days.


Hilarious!! Nearly fell of my chair! Brilliant assessment and I did see quite a bit of this on my short trip!!

[NorskKing]

Normally I do not reply to posts but your post made me laugh and wonder of to what kind of bad experience you had in Kiev to think this. Maybe you are just being sarcastic!


I would like to add to the necessary characteristics of a man to be successful with beautiful Ukrainian women.

1. Be Ukrainian.

2. Shave your head.

3. Dress all in black.

4. don't have a regular job. Bring in your income via criminal activities.

5. Have zero personality..

[MagicSheep74]

Normally I do not reply to posts but your post made me laugh and wonder of to what kind of bad experience you had in Kiev to think this. Maybe you are just being sarcastic!NorskKing and Auaind. Its just a laugh. I have been to Kiev twice and these were just some of my observations. I now have a Ukrainian born girlfriend, who was raised in Lithuania. Luckily for me she doesn't have the more ruthless / scamming personality that quite often Ukrainian's possess. She actually likes me treating her well, Ukrainians see kindness as a weakness, so they really do prefer there local men, looks are not important etc. The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary.

Be aware of a long term relationship with a local. A very rich friend of mine married a very beautiful girl from Kiev and they moved to his house in Marbella. Spain. 6 months in and she hired 2 Ukrainians guys to run him down in a car which lead to his death. Before she could get his money, the police captured her and she is now in prison.

[Riina]

NorskKing and Auaind. Its just a laugh. I have been to Kiev twice and these were just some of my observations. I now have a Ukrainian born girlfriend, who was raised in Lithuania. Luckily for me she doesn't have the more ruthless / scamming personality that quite often Ukrainian's possess. She actually likes me treating her well, Ukrainians see kindness as a weakness, so they really do prefer there local men, looks are not important etc. The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary.

Be aware of a long term relationship with a local. A very rich friend of mine married a very beautiful girl from Kiev and they moved to his house in Marbella. Spain. 6 months in and she hired 2 Ukrainians guys to run him down in a car which lead to his death. Before she could get his money, the police captured her and she is now in prison.Sorry that you could never go beyond feeling like a target in Kiev. You clearly have no idea how many girls are looking for daddies in Ukraine.

[NorskKing]

Warning, long post.

The info is few weeks old, I posted my first day report of vising Rio club and then on the second day I met our fellow forum member Cachorro for lunch and we had a quick exchange of opinions and info. We soon found that we both are on the same page on the things we are looking for, so we decided that we will go out together as a team to Scarlett club (I know, very expensive place, many other smarter options, but we decided to go for a lazy option). That evening Cachorro came to my apartment and we had couple of drinks before we left to Scarlett. It took us few minutes to realize that this place was run by same management. This club felt as if it was couple of mini strips fused together into the same building (but it was not, its just the way they run it with different managers to each part of this club). Me and Cachorro sat on te top floor and started looking at the dancers who were dancing for one song with clothes on and then for the second song they strip the top and then when the song finishes, vanishes into another part of the club where the settings are little different. So we were sitting there having few drinks sharing our opinion on each girl and what we like and what we don't and what we are looking for in that setup. After one hour Cachorro wanted to leave the place as he did not like any with the features he was looking for (I agree, there was none with what he was looking for, lets leave it to that) he said goodbye and left, as I decided to spend some more time to find the girl of my type. I did not realize that when Cachorro left, he already paid for my two drinks (Thank you man, it was not necessary, I owe you one and I will try to repay you next time we meet). I was looking for a pale smooth skin, young yet busty girl with still some real smile (not the smile they are trained to put on their face). This combo was difficult to find in a place like that (I know) but hey, no one can stop me from hoping. After having many more drinks and tipping 100 UAH to every girl who did really dance well, I was about to give up and tried the mini bar downstairs. Here I saw a girl Agata with exact features of what I was looking for. I talked to the manager and said I want to talk to her, and soon realized that she does not speak even one word of English. Just with signs we agreed for a private dance and she was smoking hot in there. Without any success on further communication, I still decided to take her to my apartment. I rented really nice apartment and when she came to place, she was impressed. I could tell from her expressions. But this did not directly translate in to good service in bed. She immediately asked me to shower (I was cautious about my stuff and did a quick shower) and then she showered and we came to bed. She directly jumped to the sex part and was very mechanical without any pleasure on her part. After 5 minutes, she expressed that she is done and cannot do more and ran to the bathroom to shower. I was pretty pissed at this point, but did not say anything. When she came out of the shower with a towel wrapped, I unlocked my phone and started the google translate app in the "conversation mode" set to translate between English <- Ukrainian. She did not understand anything, but then we were able communicate when I changed Ukrainian to Russian (Strange that she did not understand any Ukrainian translation) I told her that if she does not like me she could have told me at the club and she can leave if she wants giving me half the money as it was only 45 minutes past our deal. And I think there was something that got lost in translation, as she understood that I do not like her and want her to leave. It took me 15 minutes to communicate to her what I intended through this translate app. By this time, our communication was getting very natural and we were tuning in to the app very naturally. My attempt to convince her that I like her and she is pretty and at the same time being straight that she can leave if she wants to be mechanical like the way she was before, turned some switch in her. She suddenly became more flirty (in a natural way). I told her that I want to eat her pussy, for which she denied and I was stubborn that sooner or later that night I will eat her pussy. For this she was getting turned on. We had few glasses of champagne that was left in my fridge and we were communicating pretty well at this point. But every word was going though the phone app, even though it was not at all odd at this point. At 4 AM, we were drunk and having a smoke in the balcony, with me eating her pussy and her teabagging me for returning my favor. The details are little foggy at this point, I do remember that we were drinking a lot of alcohol, making a lot of jokes, she was sucking my balls and I was eating her pussy (many times) and then we went to the bed and I did her in doggy. Now came the moans (very very natural ones) but I did not come. I was too tired for that. I woke up with her in my arms at 7 AM and she wanted to leave for some made up reason (I did not attempt to stop her). She called a taxi and kissed me goodbye.

So looking back into the night, my pathetic night with a mechanical girl converted into a super GFE experience. The general expression in this Ukraine thread is correct. Girls here like confident guys, who stick to their opinions and are not super bendy to impress the girls. I was not. At the same time be respectful to them, don't treat them like trash. "The game is, to keep the balance between treating them nice, but still not bend to everything they want".

Since I did not finish that night, For which I have absolute no regrets. I went to a massage place (have no clue which place that was, google erotic massage, ubered to t and released the pressure in my balls). It was 800 UAH with a hot blonde in her thirties who was very energetic in doing what she supposed to do. Nothing much to talk about this massage place.

Next time I am there, I was thinking to try something different. I was reading about this site http://alluremassage.net/unforgettable-services/erotic-cooking-kiev/ and it looks super interesting. I would love to have someone cook for me naked. Not sure if this is being discussed here but I would like to know your opinion. Like I always say, sex is not that hard to get if you have money, but new experience is. I am hunting for new erotic adventures and not just sex.

[MagicSheep74]

Warning, long post.

The info is few weeks old, I posted my first day report of vising Rio club and then on the second day I met our fellow forum member Cachorro for lunch and we had a quick exchange of opinions and info. We soon found that we both are on the same page on the things we are looking for, so we decided that we will go out together as a team to Scarlett club (I know, very expensive place, many other smarter options, but we decided to go for a lazy option). That evening Cachorro came to my apartment and we had couple of drinks before we left to Scarlett. It took us few minutes to realize that this place was run by same management. This club felt as if it was couple of mini strips fused together into the same building (but it was not, its just the way they run it with different managers to each part of this club). Me and Cachorro sat on te top floor and started looking at the dancers who were dancing for one song with clothes on and then for the second song they strip the top and then when the song finishes, vanishes into another part of the club where the settings are little different. So we were sitting there having few drinks sharing our opinion on each girl and what we like and what we don't and what we are looking for in that setup. After one hour Cachorro wanted to leave the place as he did not like any with the features he was looking for (I agree, there was none with what he was looking for, lets leave it to that) he said goodbye and left, as I decided to spend some more time to find the girl of my type. I did not realize that when Cachorro left, he already paid for my two drinks (Thank you man, it was not necessary, I owe you one and I will try to repay you next time we meet). I was looking for a pale smooth skin, young yet busty girl with still some real smile (not the smile they are trained to put on their face). This combo was difficult to find in a place like that (I know) but hey, no one can stop me from hoping. After having many more drinks and tipping 100 UAH to every girl who did really dance well, I was about to give up and tried the mini bar downstairs..Nicely done, you turned it all around. I have never been to this Scarlett place, but had a reasonably satisfactory time with a girl from Rio. She was a pretty tall blond, but for some reason she had a pussy like a dying man's handshake. Possibly she had kids. !

Enjoy your adventures.

[PhotoSlider]

...So looking back into the night, my pathetic night with a mechanical girl converted into a super GFE experience. The general expression in this Ukraine thread is correct. Girls here like confident guys, who stick to their opinions and are not super bendy to impress the girls. I was not. At the same time be respectful to them, don't treat them like trash. "The game is, to keep the balance between treating them nice, but still not bend to everything they want"...Excellent honest report. Great way to overcome the obstacles and eventually enjoy the scenery.

Did impressing the girl with really nice apartment help? Yes and no. Could have gone either way. Rio and Scarlette are prepay, and management always sides with the girl. She might have slammed the door and walked out on him, but she stayed. Why? Not sure how new she is in the business. Perhaps it was late enough to return to Club for another customer and she felt safe around NorskKing? He didn't make a scene by saying she is a bad person. Instead he firmly explained his expectations and resolved misunderstanding. This demonstrates that as important as common language of communication is, it is not everything. Kiev girls do not feel obligated to anybody. Sense of freedom is engraved in their young souls, and they relate on subconscious level:

- Does he like me?

- Am I going to have a better time with him than somewhere else?

Ukrainian language is gaining more ground, especially with the younger generation. Russian is still much more prevalent in Kiev, than in Western regions of the country. Maybe google doesn't do such a great job for Ukrainian, especially translating from non Slavic group of languages. Didn't matter anyway.

No idea how old or fit NorskKing is. He gambled and won by having some luck, and mostly by playing his cards right.

Going for a massage after a great night with a girl, and not even remembering the name of facility. This is so Kiev!

Feel threatened, cheated, insecure and you will be taken advantage of. Behave confident but not provoking anybody, and things may work out magically.

Wasn't cheap but those are episodes in the life to remember. Hope NorskKing did not forget to get her Viber.

[NorskKing]

No idea how old or fit NorskKing is. He gambled and won by having some luck, and mostly by playing his cards right.

Going for a massage after a great night with a girl, and not even remembering the name of facility. This is so Kiev!

Feel threatened, cheated, insecure and you will be taken advantage of. Behave confident but not provoking anybody, and things may work out magically.

Wasn't cheap but those are episodes in the life to remember. Hope NorskKing did not forget to get her Viber.Thanks PhotoSlider and MagicSheep74, I like running in my spare time, which kept me fit. You are right, I think this hobby is a gamble in itself if you are not trying to develop some semi-long relation ship. The moment the girl proved herself to be mechanical, I figured that I lost in my gamble. But getting frustrated will never help, neither will getting impatient with the girl. So I gave up on good sex at that moment, and was hoping to squeeze out good time. I was well rewarded for that.

I am not an expert in Kiev, but I think there seems to be better chance of success than in western europe.

BTW, can you guys please suggest me about the nude cooking services offered in the link in my previous post? Is this reliable? Looks like a good experience, and at the same time I like the challenge to patiently sex up the sexy chef without her knowledge.

[PhotoSlider]

...BTW, can you guys please suggest me about the nude cooking services offered in the link in my previous post? Is this reliable?No idea myself. All I can say that this service has been offered for a while. It caught my eye as well, and for the last 4 years I wanted to start with it upon every arrival to Kiev, even made a note in the to-do list, writing down the phone number and URL, but then somehow got distracted.

Back in the day there was a much more grandiose offering from another establishment. They had the whole hotel floor available for rent, with girls, security at the entrance, and even optional BDSM session, humiliating some of the ladies, or, for an additional fee the administrator herself.

For a very special fee, I think it was quoted at $100 K or maybe $500 K, one could burn down the whole hotel. Certainly without anybody in it.

Seriously speaking, massage girls may agree for HJ, but getting the ultimate prize is tricky. I would say 25-50% chance. I succeeded twice with two different girls, both times inviting them to my apartment after making DATY acquaintance at the massage headquarters first.

I think you can make easier arrangements with the girls you already know. Try asking Agata about RPG, she may find it fascinating.

Discussing this with agency will result in extra charge, I would rather try my luck with the girl when she is already at your premises. Maybe even just do it, without any preliminary conversation. Make reservations for 2-3 hours, buy simple products for a salad, or a chicken noodle soup and help her to help you. Long legged blondes, brunettes and redheads look so gorgeous in the kitchen apron without any underwear, especially when you are right behind her, guiding and helping in the most delicate manner.

Apologies for my daydreaming and getting carried away.

[Riina]

Game is over rated. I like to browse the Shooters photo gallery and often see the same expat every week. Their's a reason why he's always in that club and it has nothing to do with the bar just being a great place to hang out. The girls see him there over and over and over again. To the point he's a real person they can easily size up. That familiarity is a fricken tool far beyond game.

Just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip club.

[DramaFree11]

Game is over rated. I like to browse the Shooters photo gallery and often see the same expat every week. Their's a reason why he's always in that club and it has nothing to do with the bar just being a great place to hang out. The girls see him there over and over and over again. To the point he's a real person they can easily size up. That familiarity is a fricken tool far beyond game.

Just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip.

The migration issue is huge, so many people have left Ukraine, not just females, males as well. (Best and Brightest Are Leaving) There are just so few legit opportunists there that there is no reason to stay anymore. There was a time were you could get a legit job and make good money in Kiev, but those days are long gone. You can live a much better life in Europe or Abroad.

The 4 things you need in Kiev to be successful in Ukraine.

1. Time and Street Game.

2. Money.

3. Reasonable to low expectations.

4. Not be afraid of rejection and not easily offended.

[NorskKing]

No idea myself. All I can say that this service has been offered for a while. It caught my eye as well, and for the last 4 years I wanted to start with it upon every arrival to Kiev, even made a note in the to-do list, writing down the phone number and URL, but then somehow got distracted.

Back in the day there was a much more grandiose offering from another establishment. They had the whole hotel floor available for rent, with girls, security at the entrance, and even optional BDSM session, humiliating some of the ladies, or, for an additional fee the administrator herself..If this is on offer for a while, then I would think that there is demand for it. I would think if there is more than one establishment offering this, then there would be competition and hence possibilities of good services. I will give it a try and update this thread when I do. Thanks PhotoSlider for your insights.

[NorskKing]

just a reminder that prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Most commercial services are pretty much crap unless you really have the time and money to look for a gem. Their's been a huge migration of Ukrainians this last five years. Quality prostitutes have so many options now to keep their privacy and try to live like a normal girl. Dream on if you think you'll find a nice pussy in a dark depressing strip.I have no intention to start a debate but I am sorry, but I do not agree that game is overrated. Neither do I agree that you need to dream to find nice quality girls in strip clubs. On the contrary, there is more chance to find it as the establishment make efforts to attract better girls. You need to understand one thing, not every beautiful girl have an option to flee the country (maybe most does, but now every girl with opportunity). There will be a large percentage of them who have an unavoidable dependency to be in that city / country. There are also tons of students moving to Kiev from other small villages who can be brave enough to be visible (if they are sure that there is no connection in Kiev that could lead to her family to know about her work).

Anyways, I strongly think that my observation is very strongly contradicting yours, but like I said, I am no expert in Kiev, I am just a psychologist by profession.

[NorskKing]

The 4 things you need in Kiev to be successful in Ukraine.


1. Time and Street Game.I will try sometime.


2. Money.Contradicts with the first point, if it is large money.


3. Reasonable to low expectations.Understood.


4. Not be afraid of rejection and not easily offended.Very hard with any person with self esteem, not sure if I even want to experience it.

[Michi T]

...Kiev is in a league of its own. Overall not great but I think it may have been just been me and my first Eastern European experience. I dunno...Kiev is just amazing! Wow, I had such a great few days. I could not even manage all the meetings and numbers in the end.


Day 1: Land late evening and get quick Taxi to city center (UAH 500 - like $20) after a big of haggling. By the way airport exchange rate sucks better to us an ATM for your first batch of local currency. The hotel I booked was Aloft Kiev. ...I took troleybus number 9, directly from airport to near aLoft (Besarabian Market) for only 4 UAH. Exchange rate was not at all so bad at the airport.


... She does a bit of make up shopping (she pays)....Tja, your mistake. I'd have paid for that and bingo. She may have come to room.

Summary, your trip to Kiev sounds like a nightmare.

My journey to Kiev was a full success. I was already shortly after arrival given a phone number by an attractive woman who I never saw before. She was a normal girl, not a working girl. Though, I could not take her straight away to my hotel because I met two other gentlemen from this forum for diner. Therefore I had to meet that woman the other day.

Out of the many fanstatic girls that I met there, I will soon be back in town to meet two of them.

[Michi T]

Hilarious!! Nearly fell of my chair! Brilliant assessment and I did see quite a bit of this on my short trip!!Me not, I see some other points that help a lot in Kiev (and in any other Eastern European country).

- Be friendly and openminded.

- Be self confident and approach the girls.

- Smiiile and have a good humor.

Etc etc and you shall be successfull.

[Michi T]

... The most important thing in a beautiful Ukrainians life is Instagram and money. Everything else is secondary....Oh yes, lots of such trash girls there, too many. Most girls are like that. It takes lots of time to find a good girl!

[DramaFree11]

I have no intention to start a debate but I am sorry, but I do not agree that game is overrated. Neither do I agree that you need to dream to find nice quality girls in strip clubs. On the contrary, there is more chance to find it as the establishment make efforts to attract better girls. You need to understand one thing, not every beautiful girl have an option to flee the country (maybe most does, but now every girl with opportunity). There will be a large percentage of them who have an unavoidable dependency to be in that city / country. There are also tons of students moving to Kiev from other small villages who can be brave enough to be visible (if they are sure that there is no connection in Kiev that could lead to her family to know about her work).

Anyways, I strongly think that my observation is very strongly contradicting yours, but like I said, I am no expert in Kiev, I am just a psychologist by profession.

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer college girls in Kiev looking for foreign guys that is a fact. There are still some, but that is drying up quickly. Also, you need to take into count Ukraine has one of the lowest birth rates in all of the world and this has been the case for years.

[MGLbadboi]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.

[Riina]

You have to make the distinction between prostitutes, semi pros, and girls looking for relationships in Kiev. I'll generalize that about a quarter of all Ukrainian girls fall under these categories. If you read back five years on this thread, you'll clearly see their's no substance here with hard hoes. A quality prostitute has many options outside the country. Mamba was how a foreigner found a semi pro pre crisis, but it's basically now useless. For most older guys, relationships require a consistent presence in Kiev. Think papa figure. A supportive man that's there for you and will show respect, but not interfere with a girl's normal life.

So you're planning a trip to Kiev and you're going to be Mr. Slick. You'll show the girls how clever and fun you are with your jokes and game. LOL.

[Horny American]

I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!

Rio is nice and my only issue with it would be the travel time I lose since the lady gets 3 hrs from leaving the club to return and if my hotel is 20 min away as an example valuable time is lost. I prefer strip clubs that are in the hotel itself (example Millennium in Hotel Dnipro) to avoid losing travel time. Often it's as simple as walking in, paying the cover, have a drink or two and simply picking out which one you want and heading to your room.

Note: some strippers try to get you to buy multiple drinks (like $30 glasses of wine) or even talk you into a 3 some with another stripper girlfriend by promising a porn style type of time but I doubt you'll actually get your money's worth.

I've met sales girls in shops (ocean plaza has many) and waitresses in restaurants as well. Go have a drink in a bar like Buddha Bar and wait for them to approach you.

My most often used "tool" is the hotel doormen. Strike up a conversation with them, bring up women etc, even offer a small tip and they will for sure be able to hook you up since they know whom to call. My best date ever was actually a doorman's own wife LOL.

So to sum it up, still plenty of action and I would rate most of them in the 7-8 range with a few approaching 9-10.

[NorskKing]

So you're planning a trip to Kiev and you're going to be Mr. Slick. You'll show the girls how clever and fun you are with your jokes and game..LOLI am planning a trip to Kiev and I will not show anyone anything about my smartness or money. I will just have one of the best times in my life by giving the girl safe and fun company. That is the only and only goal in my mind. If you have different approach, good for you.

[Riina]

Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer college girls in Kiev looking for foreign guys that is a fact. There are still some, but that is drying up quickly. Also, you need to take into count Ukraine has one of the lowest birth rates in all of the world and this has been the case for years.True that brother.

[DramaFree11]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.You are in for a rude awakening. Kiev nightlife is terrible. Money and looks will only help a little. Nightclubs are empty most nights, including Saturday night, Fridays' are marginal. The High End Clubs will be full of Sex Tourists, have fun.

Good luck not paying for girls in Kiev almost impossible.

Moscow is much easier especially the night life. Moscow nightlife is amazing, Kiev's is a joke.

[DramaFree11]

I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!

Rio is nice and my only issue with it would be the travel time I lose since the lady gets 3 hrs from leaving the club to return and if my hotel is 20 min away as an example valuable time is lost. I prefer strip clubs that are in the hotel itself (example Millennium in Hotel Dnipro) to avoid losing travel time. Often it's as simple as walking in, paying the cover, have a drink or two and simply picking out which one you want and heading to your room.

Note: some strippers try to get you to buy multiple drinks (like $30 glasses of wine) or even talk you into a 3 some with another stripper girlfriend by promising a porn style type of time but I doubt you'll actually get your money's worth.

I've met sales girls in shops (ocean plaza has many) and waitresses in restaurants as well. Go have a drink in a bar like Buddha Bar and wait for them to approach you.

My most often used "tool" is the hotel doormen. Strike up a conversation with them, bring up women etc, even offer a small tip and they will for sure be able to hook you up since they know whom to call. My best date ever was actually a doorman's own wife LOL.

So to sum it up, still plenty of action and I would rate most of them in the 7-8 range with a few approaching 9-10.

8-10 in Kiev high unlikely. Normal girls yes.

[Totobiscot]

Thanks for your post buddy.

I am going in August and I was starting to be discouraged. I will try your suggestions.

I cannot PM you but if you have some contacts of young spinner with natural top boobs, I would really appreciate, Can you PM me?

Thanks anyway for the nice report.


I've been coming to Kiev 2 or 3 times per year for over 20 years now and in my experience there is still plenty of action to be had if you're willing to either work a tiny bit or open your wallet. It's not as easy as the River Palace days but it's still very good.

In my opinion, most of the guys you see posting here are pessimists and are just never happy. They could have a free night with a famous model or actress and would still complain.

Yes, GIA is gone for now but that was mostly used by guys in town for short trips that didn't have time (or too lazy) to work a tiny bit for some action. Mamba still works well and I use it every single trip. Often it's as easy as simply allowing the app to use your current location and the girls will see that you're actually in Kiev and often contact you. How hard is that? I also send a few messages out to the young cute spinner types that are looking for a sponsor. Mamba has yet to fail me!.

[Michi T]

Will be visiting Kiev soon. Went through quite a few pages and so far it looks like there is an incredible nightlife scene in Kiev. So having entered my early 30's I find my sexuality and confidence level have reached their peaks man, it's like I can't control it. I guess it's all about putting yourself in a difficult spot and learning from the mistakes. The key is to get self conscious and see the externals with clarity. Self indulgence can be the worst enemy I had to pay a heavy price to get here. Anyway I want to do some club hunting while in Kiev and take full advantage of the vast resources that are available. So my targets are semi pros and freebies. What are some cool high end night clubs preferably with good security, bars and an international crowd so it's good for solo hunting? I had previously visited Moscow but the language barrier was a big problem I hope it's not the case in Kiev? Are there any really high end strip clubs other than Rio and Scarlette? I normally hate paying for girls who won't like me back sexually and provide mechanical services, but I wouldn't say no to a luxury looking 175 cm+ tall slim platinum blonde under 25. Is GIA blocked outside of Ukraine, because I can't access it? Thanks in advance.Your target is "free" and "semi pro" and on the same time you are asking about GIA?

[Michi T]

...
Good luck not paying for girls in Kiev almost impossible.
...Why is that? Different mongers, different approaches, different results?

[Horny American]

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

BTW, Kiev has a smoking hot model that's a former porn star and you can contact her thru Instagram for dates but most of you pessimists couldn't handle her anyways.


8-10 in Kiev high unlikely. Normal girls yes.

[Riina]

Quite possible if you are under 30, especially nowadays with Tinder. In your thirties, maybe with some luck. 40's, probably not.

[DramaFree11]

Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a fantasy world.

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

BTW, Kiev has a smoking hot model that's a former porn star and you can contact her thru Instagram for dates but most of you pessimists couldn't handle her anyways.

[DramaFree11]

Quite possible if you are under 30, especially nowadays with Tinder. In your thirties, maybe with some luck. 40's, probably not.

Very true, but you pay for sex one way or another travel expenses, time, not working, but that is what we live for.

[MGLbadboi]

Like I said earlier its all in the mind. Having a clear state of mind will benefit tremendously not only in one's sexual adventures but in all aspects of life basically. I came to the realization that great sex can occur under two conditions. When you get extremely nervous and excited by the girl which normally happens when you're 18 or if the girl is a 10 rated platinum blonde with blue eyes tall and slim, in which case I won't mind paying for such a girl or if the service is mechanical. Sex is also great when both of you are sexually attracted to each other, so that it will get intimate and GFE.

I am done paying for regular working girls to have terrible sex with me simply because I was horny and not thinking clearly. I now find it as stupid as sponsoring a girl with daddy issues who withholds sex from you and isn't equally as attracted to you. You can buy iPhones and handbags for a girl only to realize that her sole purpose is for Instagram attention and goes to nightclub and decides to have passionate sex for free with a guy who invests in a pair of shoes, dress shirts for himself, and works on his charm and game. There is a fundamental different there which many guys are unaware of.

Moscow was nice, amazing strip clubs with on-site services, there was also an incredible massage parlor but I did not do any club hunting while in Moscow somehow I was worried about safety. I feel like Kiev is a much safer place, and perhaps less racist.

So anyway, so far I've got Skybar, Avalon, Buddah bar, Caribbean Club, and Rio GIA as backup plan. Any other recommendations? I am staying at Aloft BTW.

[Riina]

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.
Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Any attempt by an agency to build a reputation quickly exposes them to extortion or a shutdown. It's difficult for most tourists to find 8-10 range prostitutes on their own in Kiev without pimps. I know take out strip clubs exist, but quality girls will not work in these places.

[Misc123]

Hi Dramafree. Can you please check your PM?

Spasibo.

Misc.


Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a fantasy world.

Perfect example. Claims no women in the 8-10 range in a city of 3 million people that's 53% female? Statistically impossible BTW.

There are many women in the 8-10 range but again most of the guys here just can't be satisfied. They just want to complain 24/7.

BTW, Kiev has a smoking hot model that's a former porn star and you can contact her thru Instagram for dates but most of you pessimists couldn't handle her anyways.

[Horny American]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.


Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. Any attempt by an agency to build a reputation quickly exposes them to extortion or a shutdown. It's difficult for most tourists to find 8-10 range prostitutes on their own in Kiev without pimps. I know take out strip clubs exist, but quality girls will not work in these places.
Let me clarify. Foreign Guys, short term visit, meeting on the streets, cafe, or night clubs, chance are probably better winning the lottery, then meeting a hot girl in Kiev. Lived there done it. If you live in Kiev, work, and speak the language even then highly unlikely. You guys can use all the statistic you want just not true.

Now if you want to deal with fake Profiles, Mamba, Dating Sties, all illusion in Kiev, yes there are 8-10's. Keep living in a dream world

[Alekezam]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.I'm with you, I gave my opinion and experience of Ukraine some time ago but for some reason there is more negativity towards the country than positive from a mongering standpoint.

So rather than debate I just sit back and enjoy the commentary.

If their objective is to prevent people from mongering there then they are succeeding cause more people believe them than the few of us who think otherwise.

I found it to be easy to meet girls both civilian and pro. Out of the visits I made I stayed no longer than a week. Additionally, I can't speak a lick of Ukrainian nor Russian.

When you compare Ukraine to the US or Western Europe, no matter what anyone says, hands down, it's far better in the Ukraine.

So ultimately, it's up to each individaul to decide what they want to believe because in the end they'll only have themselves (and all the naysayers) to blame for not experiencing it for themselves.

And if you haven't already noticed it's the same people that constantly chastise others for not RTFF yet they repeat the same negativity over and over and over again. Why? People can just RTFF.

New and subjective experiences and opinions, which, you so graciously divulged are what these forums are about.

[DramaFree11]

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[Riina]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong because there are plenty of women in the 8-10 range and quite a few strippers are at least 8's. It is more or less a brothel in clubs like Rio, Millennium and etc because all you have to do is simply chose who you want.

Keep your negativity and pessimism to yourself. I guess you just like talking to yourself and trying to scare guys away from Kiev.

Bottom line: strip clubs are easy, Mamba still works and like I said doormen know a lot. Believe it or not. I don't care.

Just keep your head in the sand and stay unhappy. You seem to like it.I don't bury my head in the sand. As a matter of fact, I've been posting the last few years on this forums sister sight. I've helped countless guys find Ukrainian and Polish prostitutes at affordable prices. Some agencies and girls would have quit without my attention. My "thank you buddy" pm's are well into the hundreds.

Rather then posting a comment on a comment. Why not share your insights to the scene and let readers decide for themselves what thought to follow.

[PhotoSlider]

I'm done with this, you both act like you know everything which is obviously wrong...There are multiple schools of thought on the current state of affairs in Kiev.

I prefer to wear pink glasses and enjoy encounters with opposite gender. Others are less optimistic. Some are happy with drive through take out at Rio and Scarlette. Others are successful with random hunting in the street and mamba.

Civilized discussion and opinions exchange doesn't mean we shall all agree on using the same approach with assured guaranteed delivery. Far from that. But demise of Kiev has been greatly exaggerated. I am yet to have a bad visit to this Center of The Universe.

To be continued.

[Alekezam]

Rather then posting a comment on a comment. Why not share your insights to the scene and let readers decide for themselves what thought to follow.I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.

[NorskKing]

I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.
I am thoroughly confused. He provided his opinion and advice (mamba and strip clubs) and even stated that it's each person's choice to believe it or not.

You want him to share his insight and let readers decide. So what are you disputing?

I, and it is within my right to have an opinion, happen to agree with him.With the strong right to have my own opinion, I do think that Ukraine is far better than western Europe and US. One thing I would say is that, there might be many who came to Kiev with a lot of hope but got burnt with prices and bad experiences. Well (in my opinion), these bad experiences are just because of your mistakes. If you behave as desperate sex tourists showing off money and status, then there are much more smarter (yet poorer) people who will take advantage of you. This is not only in Kiev but anywhere in the world. Just go there will reasonable expectation, and knowing that Kiev is "Comparably" better than the country you live in. No girl is going to fall into your lap asking for having sex with you in exchange of small money.

1) Know the place / clubs / coffee spots you are going to. Do your homework. If not, get burnt, Kiev is not going to make it super easy for anyone.

2) Be patient, you might not succeed in the first attempt, but don't behave desperate, be cool and behave as if you are not talking to the girl to get her to bed. Talk to her as if you genuinely are interested in something else other than the girl you are talking to. Most likely, she will sense that you are harmless and will put her guards down.

3) Kiev is really cheap (I feel this since I live in Norway), enjoy this purchase power on something else apart from sex, while looking for sex.

The point is, don't be desperate and don't behave desperate. If you are, then go to expensive take out options, where the girls are waiting for you to come and pick her. After 2 decades of mongers flooding Ukraine, you think that girls do not know about why a tourist is trying to talk to a strange girl? They know, you have to make the conversation past that. I totally understand that not everyone is extrovert enough to do this. But then, guys who are introverts will have about 30% (yes, pulling the number from my hat) more chance than you country. Its not like you go to a girl, talk and she will fall into your lap (never going to happen, unless you make her think past the sex tourist question in her head).

My final request, stop all the negativity about this place, reader will get a negative vibe about Kiev and might backoff. This place is really nice, in all aspects. Purchase power / girls / clubs / food / energy. Just go there and sample them all.

[Michi T]

Quite possible if you are under 30, especially nowadays with Tinder. In your thirties, maybe with some luck. 40's, probably not.I kindly disagree :)

[Riina]

Before you fly into Kiev planning to wet your forty something dick for free, maybe you should think it through logically and with some facts. All women want compensation for companionship. I was in my twenties the last time I found a girl that just wanted a good fuck. Ukrainians perceive all Westerners as rich and generally feel it's perfectly acceptable to extract what they can from foreigners with so much more then themselves. The thought of a cutie sharing her pussy with an old tourist that doesn't want share back his support is probably one of the most disgusting notions a girl can imagine.

[PhotoSlider]

...The thought of a cutie sharing her pussy with an old tourist that doesn't want share back his support is probably one of the most disgusting notions a girl can imagine.And that is precisely why during my next visit I do not want to see one of those girls, a very particular one.

She was exceptional for a long long time, yet during last coitus we had, she wasn't as skilful in pretending she loves me wholeheartedly for all the cash and support. No hard feelings, I am realistic. And there's sufficient substrate for me to strive for excellence and satisfaction.

Riina, I totally agree with your point. Allow me to retort some more please.

Perhaps for different visitors, there is a different perception of goodness. In the past some were happy with the very same GIA girl that others kicked out upon her arrival.

IMHO there is a gradient scale of what monger provides and how much he gets in return. I am not talking about a thousand bucks per night rip-offs.

On one end there are some of the good quality Rio girls, those that make an impact difficult to forget. On the other there are GFs, supposedly staying with us for fun, but there's certainly cost of food and drinks, room and entertainment, most importantly the price of our freedom to choose many other beauties instead of committing to a single one.

I never count time spent away from the job, because I am not paid by the hour, but unlike Kozerog I am not retired yet. So, by trial and error I figured out what keeps me happy, and built a deep enough base of phone numbers I can call.

Back to what Riina explained: two years ago I had a rather candid discussion with one of the GIA girls. 20 years old student, gorgeous, DFK, never ever objected to shagging at any time of the day or night. Wake her up, she smiles and goes as long as I have my erection. Anyway, many mentioned here as an explanation for their misfortunes, that Ukrainian girls prefer younger boys. That GIA lady that I fancied at the time, frowned at the mere mentioning of her peers, and did it in the most sincere manner. She definitely prefers older gentlemen. For many reasons. Money, personal comfort, safety, and generally speaking a better life style.

Younger girls stay with us older guys as long as we provide, and as Riina explained in not so many words girls have certain expectations at this commercial market. No freebies. They are great actresses. We are not Romeos for them. We are milked with different degree of intensity. Don't let them squeeze you dry.

[Stefan 7]

What taxi service do you use in Kiev? Prefer English speaking dispatchers.

[Stefan 7]

Which club do you think is a better hooker club, shooters or Caribbean?

I'm staying not far from Caribbean, 20 minutes walk.

[Michi T]

What taxi service do you use in Kiev? Prefer English speaking dispatchers.Either a taxi or a Uber. The taxi drivers basically English ok.

[DramaFree11]

Which club do you think is a better hooker club, shooters or Caribbean?

I'm staying not far from Caribbean, 20 minutes walk.

Both are bad, Caribbean slightly better. Expect to pay between $100-200. Shooters a little more.

[Riina]

Younger girls stay with us older guys as long as we provide, and as Riina explained in not so many words girls have certain expectations at this commercial market. No freebies. They are great actresses. We are not Romeos for them. We are milked with different degree of intensity. Don't let them squeeze you dry.Wise words, their's really no freebies for us older guys in Kiev. 99% of the contact we have with significantly younger girls is for money. If a girl just wants a good fuck, she's better off going to a bar and finding a young hard dick she can bang raw and without the risk of shame from dating grown up men.

[PhotoSlider]

What taxi service do you use in Kiev? Prefer English speaking dispatchers.Mostly used: Uber, Yandex Taxi, Red Taxi. All three have smartphone apps. Enough for placing an order. Many drivers speak basic English. Or you can use Google translator.

I liked Red Taxi. Not sure which is better price wise, as some used mileage traveled and others used time by passenger inside the car, so incurred expense could vary depending on traffic congestion.

[Misterxxx]

Mostly used: Uber, Yandex Taxi, Red Taxi. All three have smartphone apps. Enough for placing an order. Many drivers speak basic English. Or you can use Google translator.

I liked Red Taxi. Not sure which is better price wise, as some used mileage traveled and others used time by passenger inside the car, so incurred expense could vary depending on traffic congestion.You forgot a big provider: Uklon.

https://www.uklon.com.ua/

Older and more widespread than Uber or Yandex.

Uber has lost a lot of money in the last two years in Ukraine.

There were tons of subsidies for taxi drivers.

This year, Uber and Yandex want to make money.

Uklon costs the taxi drivers 10 percent commission.

Uber 20 to 30 percent.

That's why there are more and more frauds with the Uber App.

Because taxi drivers want to earn as much with Uber as they did in the past.

[DramaFree11]

Relationships. Relationships. Relationships.

Go to Germany if it's all about sticking your dick in a hole.

Most go in the search of Relationship, nearly impossible now. I know what the girls say all, "Ukraine Guys are Bad. " Just not the case, most very nice, deep down 95% of the girls want a Ukraine Guy. Germany or Mexico much better options. For Relationships Russia.

[Whomer]

With the strong right to have my own opinion, I do think that Ukraine is far better than western Europe and US. One thing I would say is that, there might be many who came to Kiev with a lot of hope but got burnt with prices and bad experiences. Well (in my opinion), these bad experiences are just because of your mistakes. If you behave as desperate sex tourists showing off money and status, then there are much more smarter (yet poorer) people who will take advantage of you. This is not only in Kiev but anywhere in the world. Just go there will reasonable expectation, and knowing that Kiev is "Comparably" better than the country you live in. No girl is going to fall into your lap asking for having sex with you in exchange of small money.

1) Know the place / clubs / coffee spots you are going to. Do your homework. If not, get burnt, Kiev is not going to make it super easy for anyone.

2) Be patient, you might not succeed in the first attempt, but don't behave desperate, be cool and behave as if you are not talking to the girl to get her to bed. Talk to her as if you genuinely are interested in something else other than the girl you are talking to. Most likely, she will sense that you are harmless and will put her guards down.

3) Kiev is really cheap (I feel this since I live in Norway), enjoy this purchase power on something else apart from sex, while looking for sex.

The point is, don't be desperate and don't behave desperate. If you are, then go to expensive take out options, where the girls are waiting for you to come and pick her. After 2 decades of mongers flooding Ukraine, you think that girls do not know about why a tourist is trying to talk to a strange girl? They know, you have to make the conversation past that. I totally understand that not everyone is extrovert enough to do this. But then, guys who are introverts will have about 30% (yes, pulling the number from my hat) more chance than you country. Its not like you go to a girl, talk and she will fall into your lap (never going to happen, unless you make her think past the sex tourist question in her head).

My final request, stop all the negativity about this place, reader will get a negative vibe about Kiev and might backoff. This place is really nice, in all aspects. Purchase power / girls / clubs / food / energy. Just go there and sample them all.Excellent. Can't agree more with you.

[DramaFree11]

With the strong right to have my own opinion, I do think that Ukraine is far better than western Europe and US. One thing I would say is that, there might be many who came to Kiev with a lot of hope but got burnt with prices and bad experiences. Well (in my opinion), these bad experiences are just because of your mistakes. If you behave as desperate sex tourists showing off money and status, then there are much more smarter (yet poorer) people who will take advantage of you. This is not only in Kiev but anywhere in the world. Just go there will reasonable expectation, and knowing that Kiev is "Comparably" better than the country you live in. No girl is going to fall into your lap asking for having sex with you in exchange of small money.

1) Know the place / clubs / coffee spots you are going to. Do your homework. If not, get burnt, Kiev is not going to make it super easy for anyone.

2) Be patient, you might not succeed in the first attempt, but don't behave desperate, be cool and behave as if you are not talking to the girl to get her to bed. Talk to her as if you genuinely are interested in something else other than the girl you are talking to. Most likely, she will sense that you are harmless and will put her guards down.

3) Kiev is really cheap (I feel this since I live in Norway), enjoy this purchase power on something else apart from sex, while looking for sex.

The point is, don't be desperate and don't behave desperate. If you are, then go to expensive take out options, where the girls are waiting for you to come and pick her. After 2 decades of mongers flooding Ukraine, you think that girls do not know about why a tourist is trying to talk to a strange girl? They know, you have to make the conversation past that. I totally understand that not everyone is extrovert enough to do this. But then, guys who are introverts will have about 30% (yes, pulling the number from my hat) more chance than you country. Its not like you go to a girl, talk and she will fall into your lap (never going to happen, unless you make her think past the sex tourist question in her head).

My final request, stop all the negativity about this place, reader will get a negative vibe about Kiev and might backoff. This place is really nice, in all aspects. Purchase power / girls / clubs / food / energy. Just go there and sample them all.

I agree with your post with the exception, energy level is real low in Kiev. The City is dead most nights of the week, but very cheap and some find that real attractive. Not for me, I would rather work a little harder and go to destinations were the city is alive with life. , not the case in Ukraine. Odessa does have energy, but difficult to get girls there.

[PhotoSlider]

You forgot a big provider: Uklon.

https://www.uklon.com.ua/

Older and more widespread than Uber or Yandex.Informative concise contribution!

Uklon also has smartphone app, and online request option for English speaking driver.

[Arkiloko]

Informative concise contribution!

Uklon also has smartphone app, and online request option for English speaking driver.I was in Kiev last month. I was never able to get a taxi with Uklon app.

Uber works fine. It was really usefull for me. a lot of cars, good service and price

[Riina]

I agree with your post with the exception, energy level is real low in Kiev. The City is dead most nights of the week, but very cheap and some find that real attractive. Not for me, I would rather work a little harder and go to destinations were the city is alive with life. , not the case in Ukraine. Odessa does have energy, but difficult to get girls there.As an over forty guy, I can find a girl in a dead Kiev night life. I can not find a girl in a vibrant Western night life.

[Riina]

I found it to be easy to meet girls both civilian and pro. Out of the visits I made I stayed no longer than a week.Can you share some substance on how you met these girls and any insight learned?

[Riina]

1. Average monthly wage is about $176.

2. Prostitution is illegal.

3. Most girls don't want to be prostitutes.

4. Quality prostitutes have far better options outside of Ukraine.

5. Because of low wages, relationships are very important to get by.

6. One week tourists can expect this.

[DramaFree11]

As an over forty guy, I can find a girl in a dead Kiev night life. I can not find a girl in a vibrant Western night life.

Good point!

[Stefan 7]

So d*LUX has closed and has been replaced by the. LEUR, is it still a hookers club? My flat is closer to Caribbean club.

[MagicSheep74]

As an over forty guy, I can find a girl in a dead Kiev night life. I can not find a girl in a vibrant Western night life.

Good point!As an over 40's guy I managed to get a blonde 25 Ukrainian model last night. All I needed was Novichok and blacked out windows on my pick-up truck.

I did read some posts about being very firm with the women in Kiev, but maybe I went to far. LOL.

[Riina]

So d*LUX has closed and has been replaced by the. LEUR, is it still a hookers club? My flat is closer to Caribbean club.Their are no hooker bars in Kiev, but their are hookers in bars.

[DramaFree11]

D*LUX has closed and has been replaced by the. LEUR, is it still a hookers club? My flat is closer to Caribbean club.

Caribbean is your best option during the week, but is very average. Lot's of Sex Tourist. The Bar is nicer, but very small. There are not many options when it comes to Nightlife in Kiev, very overrated. You need to ht the streets.

[Womaniszer]

Relax portal.

Can any one please guide.

Is this website really reliable.

https://relaxportal.biz/eng/

Means are girls real or its just an agency.

[Misterxxx]

Relax portal.
Can any one please guide.
Is this website really reliable.
https://relaxportal.biz/eng/
Means are girls real or its just an agency.100% real = The telephone numbers.

Everything else = Fake.

Fake Photos.

Fake Service.

But even the telephone numbers can already be old and not in function anymore.

Once again: Prostitution is illegal. No girl wants to see her real photos connected with such a site.

The chance to find real photos (on such a site) is 1-5 %.

Why do they lie? All guys who visit such a site and call the number are horny. The agency can send every girl and the chance that the guy will take her is 90%.

Even if they show a blonde slim, beautiful girl and send a fat **** with dirty black hair. That's the business. This is the Ukraine. Sorry.

[Womaniszer]

100% real = The telephone numbers.

Everything else = Fake.

Fake Photos.

Fake Service.

But even the telephone numbers can already be old and not in function anymore.

Once again: Prostitution is illegal. No girl wants to see her real photos connected with such a site.

The chance to find real photos (on such a site) is 1-5 %.

Why do they lie? All guys who visit such a site and call the number are horny. The agency can send every girl and the chance that the guy will take her is 90%.

Even if they show a blonde slim, beautiful girl and send a fat **** with dirty black hair. That's the business. This is the Ukraine. Sorry.Thanks 4 reply.

Your quick response is much appreciated.

Cheers Bro.

Good Luck.

[ErnestCulpX]

Which club do you think is a better hooker club, shooters or Caribbean?

I'm staying not far from Caribbean, 20 minutes walk.Hi,

I have only been to the Caribbean Club, and my experience was good. I liked the music, the club atmosphere is good and there are many girls available. Above all I remember that there were many Latinas and how I like them was even better because I spoke with several and ended the night with one of them.

The other club I have not been, if someone has been telling me so we have more.

[Jymondor]

The agency can send every girl and the chance that the guy will take her is 90%.

Even if they show a blonde slim, beautiful girl and send a fat **** with dirty black hair. That's the business. This is the Ukraine. Sorry.There is a wide selection of the ads. You always can request photos on Viber or WhatsApp. Some of them will refuse, some will send. Warn them that you will meet the girl from the taxi and compare her look with the photo received. Ask to update taxi licence plate as she departed. If the girl is ugly just do not approach her. That's it. Sure you will be blacklisted at this agency. But do you really care?

[Riina]

Hi,

I have only been to the Caribbean Club, and my experience was good. I liked the music, the club atmosphere is good and there are many girls available. Above all I remember that there were many Latinas and how I like them was even better because I spoke with several and ended the night with one of them.

The other club I have not been, if someone has been telling me so we have more.Please clarify. Latina hookers in Kiev?

[Misterxxx]

Please clarify. Latina hookers in Kiev?Latina in Kiev?

Unlikely.

Probably gypsy.

Or from the border region to Hungary / Romania.

[PhotoSlider]

Latina in Kiev?

Unlikely.

Probably gypsy.

Or from the border region to Hungary / Romania.True Latinas are highly unlikely.

Latina-like very much possible, because population is very diverse with influence over the centuries from Turkey, Mongolia, Romania, Greece, Israel, and many many other ethnic groups.

https://www.pinterest.com/bigfisher1957/beautiful-ukrainian-girls/

[Riina]

https://www.facebook.com/CaribbeanClub/

Their has been some misleading posts here suggesting CC is a hooker bar. First of all, it's a completely legitimate night club in no way connected to prostitution. CC is a huge venue that does not practice face control, assuming you look dissent. It caters to an older crowd and prostitutes find it easy to blend in. Here's the thing, all hags with little commercial value outside Ukraine. Far from what a traveling monger wants to find.

Again, prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. No venue exists where an independent escort can openly solicit under the consent of management.

[DramaFree11]

Officially, no prostitute is illegal, but 50-70% of the girls at see. See. , are working girls, Fridays maybe a little less. Mostly Sex Tourist and T. Guys, very few locals during the week. Good option during the week, but very average place. Much better option then Shooters, Fridays there are better options. Girls are between 5.5-6.5, (some guys will call these girls Super Models), you will pay between $100-200, depending on your negotiation skills will determine the time of the encounter.

Night life is very average to below average in Kiev.

Their has been some misleading posts here suggesting CC is a hooker bar. First of all, it's a completely legitimate night club in no way connected to prostitution. CC is a huge venue that does not practice face control, assuming you look dissent. It caters to an older crowd and prostitutes find it easy to blend in. Here's the thing, all hags with little commercial value outside Ukraine. Far from what a traveling monger wants to find.

Again, prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. No venue exists where an independent escort can openly solicit under the consent of management.

[Deer1234]

Hello,

I am staying in Kiev. My electrical appliances are for 100 V, but the electricity in Kiev is 220 V. I need an electrical voltage transformer (220 V- 100 V) in Kiev. Where can I buy such a traveller item? Gulliver? My friend recommended me Foxtrot. Please recommend some places / shops where to buy a transformer.

[Horny American]

These converters are very common. I've seen them in numerous stores (like Billa) for cheap money too. If you're staying in a hotel ask at the desk. They can easily tell you where to go to buy one OR may even just give you one for free that some other guest left behind when they checked out. That happened to me before, my converter died late at night and the clerk simply let me choose from a drawer full of them LOL.


Hello,

I am staying in Kiev. My electrical appliances are for 100 V, but the electricity in Kiev is 220 V. I need an electrical voltage transformer (220 V- 100 V) in Kiev. Where can I buy such a traveller item? Gulliver? My friend recommended me Foxtrot. Please recommend some places / shops where to buy a transformer.

[Horny American]

While illegal, all the bars that have hookers in them know about them and will not send them away. They're good for business, they buy drinks themselves as well as the guys coming in looking for them. Just by simply being there having a drink they will approach you. In Buddha Bar, I was approached by several and after I turned them down the bartender asked me if I was interested in a girl? I said I would be. He asked what type I was looking for? Then minutes later he sent her over. I thanked (and tipped) him. Yet another example of bars knowing about and assisting in a mutually rewarding time.


Officially, no prostitute is illegal, but 50-70% of the girls at see. See. , are working girls, Fridays maybe a little less. Mostly Sex Tourist and T. Guys, very few locals during the week. Good option during the week, but very average place. Much better option then Shooters, Fridays there are better options. Girls are between 5.5-6.5, (some guys will call these girls Super Models), you will pay between $100-200, depending on your negotiation skills will determine the time of the encounter.

Night life is very average to below average in Kiev.

Their has been some misleading posts here suggesting CC is a hooker bar. First of all, it's a completely legitimate night club in no way connected to prostitution. CC is a huge venue that does not practice face control, assuming you look dissent. It caters to an older crowd and prostitutes find it easy to blend in. Here's the thing, all hags with little commercial value outside Ukraine. Far from what a traveling monger wants to find.

Again, prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. No venue exists where an independent escort can openly solicit under the consent of management.

[PhotoSlider]

These converters are very common. I've seen them in numerous stores (like Billa) for cheap money too. If you're staying in a hotel ask at the desk. They can easily tell you where to go to buy one OR may even just give you one for free that some other guest left behind when they checked out. That happened to me before, my converter died late at night and the clerk simply let me choose from a drawer full of them LOL.Great approach. Billa has multiple locations downtown. Maidan, Bessarabski Market.

Even if you rent ask your host.

More complicated way would be large Darynok on the Left River Bank. Or even online sellers like rozetka.com.ua. Same day courier delivery can be arranged for.

Do you really need a transformer, or simply an adaptor would suffice? Most contemporary appliances can handle both: 110 and 220. Still, some of the older ones cannot and I successfully fried my toothbrush charger few years ago).

[Womaniszer]

Hi all,

I am going on a 10 days tour to Ukraine, after 2 weeks.

Odessa and Kiev.

May I request generous members to share contacts, of girls whom they have enjoyed.

I would be grateful.

[Riina]

With few exceptions, no bar in Kiev wants pros as patrons. All they can bring an owner is extortion by the police and politicians. For obvious reasons, it's impossible to keep all of them out. They are pretty discreet if they can pass face control. Buddha Bar is different in the sense it's a high end tourist trap. Girls in BB will quote ridiculous amounts like $500. Enough to spread some money around. SkyBar is the other rip off place. Two completely non viable mongering options.

Again, their are no hooker bars in Kiev, but their are hookers in bars.

[Guntherus]

For those who understand German there is an interesting report in Spiegel TV.

http://www.spiegel.tv/videos/1544260-model-mafia-in-moskau?utm_source=sponsb

[TeFab456]

For those who understand German there is an interesting report in Spiegel TV.

http://www.spiegel.tv/videos/1544260-model-mafia-in-moskau?utm_source=sponsbThe report from Spiegel TV you quoted is about Russia twenty years ago. It is a history piece about the aftermath of the Russian finance crisis of that era.

Of the many Ukrainian girls who I am in contact with only one or two gravitate towards Russia. Dubai, Istanbul, Spain, in that order, are the destinations for all the others, most of them would prefer not to relocate permanently. Because they love their country. And I understand why: it is beautiful and will not be poor forever.

[Kater100]

Hello,

I plan to visit Kiev with some friends end of August. We will arrive on Wednesday 23:30. Did someone know a good place where we can find some bars / clubs with some action / girls on a Wednesday / Thursday night?

Our apartment is close to arena city. Is it worth to visit during the week? Caribbean Club?

I read that Shooters has a lady night on Wednesday. Was someone there and can share some experience?

On Friday and Saturday I think every location would be full.

Thank you very much for your help!

[Guntherus]

The report from Spiegel TV you quoted is about Russia twenty years ago. It is a history piece about the aftermath of the Russian finance crisis of that era...Thanks for correction. Three years ago three of "my" girls wanted desperately to Moscow and StPeter, and this report explained it all, I thought. And maybe it does, because some girls in Ukraine are of recent Russian origins. But I agree, the preference has shifted.

[Misterxxx]

Thanks for correction. Three years ago three of "my" girls wanted desperately to Moscow and StPeter, and this report explained it all, I thought. And maybe it does, because some girls in Ukraine are of recent russian origins. But I agree, the preference has shifted.THREE years ago? It's a joke? It was the climax of the crisis.

Russia was the only way they could go. There was no "visa-free" Schengen area.

Everything is changing very fast in Ukraine.

Three years is an eternity.

Today, no woman dreams of Russia anymore. Europe is the new dream destination.

[Riina]

Today, no woman dreams of Russia anymore. Europe is the new dream destination.The bigger dream is America and I can confirm many of the lucky ones here returned to Ukraine. The fun gets old fast working low pay jobs.

[DramaFree11]

I would not waste your time and resources at Shooters. The last 5 times I attend Ladies night the ratio was '15-1 guys-girls, the name should be changed to Guys Night. As the night went on the ratio did improve slightly, maybe 1-8. The ratio does improve on Weekends, but still not very good. July is not a good time, most girls are on holidays, you will be better off going to Odessa. I do not go to Kiev anymore, use to live there, but have moved on to better destinations. Go to see. Club or the strip clubs. High End Clubs can be good, on Fridays, but I am not sure the good places anymore, if any.

The best time of to go to Kiev is November-Feb, but there are much better destinations, I would not even say Kiev is in the top ten for mongering, just not very good.

I plan to visit Kiev with some friends end of August. We will arrive on Wednesday 23:30. Did someone know a good place where we can find some bars / clubs with some action / girls on a Wednesday / Thursday night?

Our apartment is close to arena city. Is it worth to visit during the week? Caribbean Club?

I read that Shooters has a lady night on Wednesday. Was someone there and can share some experience?

On Friday and Saturday I think every location would be full.

Thank you very much for your help.

[Riina]

Before you follow your road to false dreams in Kiev, there's a few things to know. The hooker scene basically sucks. Sex tourism started its demise about 2012. Mostly because of the internet and migration. Monthly wages are below 200 a month for most girls in Ukraine. This forces them to seek out relationships, often times with multiple guys. Most repeat travelers know this. Problem is most girls will not show interest if you are not regularly around. And here is the great illusion of Kiev.

The hooker scene has changed dramatically in the last five years. But the relationship scene has probably changed little. Ukraine is a poor country and will be for a long time.

[DramaFree11]

Before you follow the illusion of Kiev, there's a few things to know. The hooker scene sucks. Sex tourism started its demise about 2012. Mostly because of the internet and migration. Monthly wages are below 200 a month for most girls in Ukraine. This forces them to seek out relationships, often times with multiple guys. Most of the dudes repeating travel to Ukraine know this. Problem is most girls will not show interest if you are not regularly around. And here is the great illusion of Kiev.

Great post. Money and good looks will not help much. You need to be there and speak the language, but even then much better destinations.

[MagicSheep74]

Before you follow the illusion of Kiev, there's a few things to know. The hooker scene basically sucks. Sex tourism started its demise about 2012. Mostly because of the internet and migration. Monthly wages are below 200 a month for most girls in Ukraine. This forces them to seek out relationships, often times with multiple guys. Most repeat travelers know this. Problem is most girls will not show interest if you are not regularly around. And here is the great illusion of Kiev.In complete agreement.

[Michi T]

In complete agreement.I am on the way to Kiev! Will arrive tomorrow 20 July!

[Michi T]

Today, no woman dreams of Russia anymore. Europe is the new dream destination.I don't agree with this statement. In the east, e. G. Kharkiv, Donetsk, etc they are still open for Russia.

[Mahew73]

Just got off the Internet and it looks like GIA website may be coming back. Last week it showed a "404 Error" today it says "Under Construction" laid over the old page. Say what you will about this agency- pictures were mostly real, services listed, and they allowed honest reviews. So I welcome them back. If it for real. Prices will probably go up (need to pay off more people). Wait and see!

[Riina]

Just got off the Internet and it looks like GIA website may be coming back. Last week it showed a "404 Error" today it says "Under Construction" laid over the old page. Say what you will about this agency- pictures were mostly real, services listed, and they allowed honest reviews. So I welcome them back. If it for real. Prices will probably go up (need to pay off more people). Wait and see!http://gia-escort.com/escorts

Wow! Very good news.

[BlissDps]

Their new name will be "Escort Club".


http://gia-escort.com/escorts

Wow! Very good news.

[Jymondor]

Their new name will be "Escort Club".The phone is not answering indeed.

[Stevie69]

Well, that is what "hooker bar" means: a place where hookers hang out. Whether they have the blessing of the management doe snot matter. I would say 90% of the girls there are hookers. Sometimes, regular girls got to dance or to meet foreigners.


https://www.facebook.com/CaribbeanClub/

Their has been some misleading posts here suggesting CC is a hooker bar. First of all, it's a completely legitimate night club in no way connected to prostitution. CC is a huge venue that does not practice face control, assuming you look dissent. It caters to an older crowd and prostitutes find it easy to blend in. Here's the thing, all hags with little commercial value outside Ukraine. Far from what a traveling monger wants to find.

Again, prostitution is illegal in Ukraine. No venue exists where an independent escort can openly solicit under the consent of management.

[DramaFree11]

The phone is not answering indeed.

Before you guys get all excited you might want to look at the prices. Prices start at $250, insane amount of money for Kiev.

[Ashurbanipal]

I have received an email from Gia saying they will be back on the 1st of August. Resurrection of GIA could be the part of the agreement between Western leaders and Ukrainian president Poroshenko at NATO summit.

[Jojosun]

Buddha Bar is the Place where Prostitutes hang at the bar soliciting openly and it's been like that for years.

[You69Me]

Tell me people is it worth to visit Kiev or other parts of the Ukraine.


I have received an email from Gia saying they will be back on the 1st of August. Resurrection of GIA could be the part of the agreement between Western leaders and Ukrainian president Poroshenko at NATO summit.

[DramaFree11]

Tell me people is it worth to visit Kiev or other parts of the Ukraine.

I have to say a definite no. Much better destinations, Russia, Parts of Mexico and Germany. I would not waste your money or resources in any part of Ukraine, for the most part it is one big scam.

[CastOnThis]

Tell me people is it worth to visit Kiev or other parts of the Ukraine.Sorta. If you don't speak Russian don't bother visiting other places than Kiev. And in Kiev, try to hit on only the street game. No bars-that are popular with Westerners-no strip clubs, no dance clubs, etc. Rely on street game. And for that you have to be charming, and dress well, and not be too unattractive. Though dressing the part will really work miracles for the day game.

[MagicSheep74]

Tell me people is it worth to visit Kiev or other parts of the Ukraine.No, don't waste your time or money.

[BigBangLover]

D*LUX has closed and has been replaced by the. LEUR, is it still a hookers club? My flat is closer to Caribbean club.

Caribbean is your best option during the week, but is very average. Lot's of Sex Tourist. The Bar is nicer, but very small. There are not many options when it comes to Nightlife in Kiev, very overrated. You need to ht the streets.I totally agree, Kiev is overrated!

And as said here on another post: Nightlife and hooker scene is average or even poor.

Maybe, it was a good destination 5 years ago.

I have been again for a weekend trip 2 weeks ago.

Friday night:

Caribbean Club, It was crowded with many tourists, hardly local people, good atmosphere, music not my taste. Some working girls around, I decided to leave with one nice and sweet looking girl at 3 o clock. It was 100 $ for 1 hour. Sex was not spectacular, too monotonous, she refused kissing and DATY and I was too tired.

The freelancer girls in CC are too much "Pro"-Girls and not like some Semi-Pro Student Girls, who want to enjoy their time with a guy, too.

Saturday night:

Decided to check some local clubs and have been in Chi Decadence and DFleur.

Opposite to CC, here just local young people, no foreigners.

I didn t notice freelancer girls, here.

As a foreigner, it seems if you not speak russian, the chances are bad.

[JonasWRay]

Tell me people is it worth to visit Kiev or other parts of the Ukraine.Yes, it's awesome!

Both from a touristic and mongering point of view.

Especially if you're into blondes. You do have to be a bit liberal with money and have somewhat of an extroverted personality.

For me coming from the States, it was far superior and cheaper than the options I have here in equivalence.

Normal non mongering game is easy as well compared to most other places in the world also just so you know.

[DramaFree11]

Sorta. If you don't speak Russian don't bother visiting other places than Kiev. And in Kiev, try to hit on only the street game. No bars-that are popular with Westerners-no strip clubs, no dance clubs, etc. Rely on street game. And for that you have to be charming, and dress well, and not be too unattractive. Though dressing the part will really work miracles for the day game.

Agree 100%, local connections help as well.

[Michi T]

As a foreigner, it seems if you not speak russian, the chances are bad.Aha, the language. That is just a silly excuse for someone who fails! I can confirm that the lack of Russian language makes things harder but certainly is not the reason to fail!

[Michi T]

If you don't speak Russian don't bother visiting other places than Kiev.I absolutely disagree. I have been to Mykolayev, Donetsk, Odessa, Lviv, Kharkiv without any knowledge of Russian language. And I could not complain. Hence, lack of Russian language knowledge is no problem!

[Michi T]

I would say 90% of the girls there are hookers. Sometimes, regular girls got to dance or to meet foreigners.Really? I was there last night and I did not see a single (semi) working girl. Hmmm. Where were the 90 % hookers?

[DramaFree11]

Really? I was there last night and I did not see a single (semi) working girl. Hmmm. Where were the 90 % hookers?

I have to totally disagree, amazing you are the only person that does not see the working girls. Best case scenario 50%, are normal girls, but I would guess 70-90% are working girls.

[PhotoSlider]

Aha, the language. That is just a silly excuse for someone who fails! I can confirm that the lack of Russian language makes things harder but certainly is not the reason to fail!If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards).

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend.

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly.

8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it.

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian.

10. Having contacts from prior visits.

Each of the above adds to a higher probability of success, but doesn't guarantee it.

Take away one by one, and chances go lower and lower. Then you are forced to pay more while quality tends to go lower.

Next subject for discussion: The mongers themselves seem to fall into few categories:

1. Seasoned veterans that weathered multiple storms and environmental changes, and still succeed year after year. Visa-free travel, emergence of Instagram, Maidan, phone calls replaced by Viber and WhatsApp, Riverpalace, exchange rate going from 4 to 8 to 26. Veterans saw it all and still are having exceptional fun.

2. Short term visitors, paying hundreds of dollars and euros a day, and having the time of their lives, knowing they cannot do the same in countries of their residence. Those save for a year or two, and try to come back. Some fail, some succeed. Some complain, some take it in stride.

3. This category is best characterized by Aesop's fable "The Fox and the Grapes". They failed due to few of the above 10 factors, and cannot honestly admit the problem is with them. They blame the moral qualities of ladies and Ukrainian nation in general. They state that there are no beauties in Kiev. Period. Night life does not exist and the City itself is boring any time and day of the week. It is endless.

Well, my word to the latter two categories is simple:

Take a look at the check list above. Adjust it if you want. And then honestly see where you are yourself on the scale from 0 to 10.

IMO there are great grapes of all varieties. Some are very expensive and not necessarily most delicious. Others are rather affordable and after so many visits I cannot stop eating them. You can pick them raw from the garden, or buy on the market. Have it delivered to the door and even prepackaged to take with. You can make your own wine, or go to the liquor store. Does not matter.

I'll have the audacity to state that conceptually this applies to any major mongering destination. And the very same principles worked for me on the global scale.

I prefer 19-22 year old ladies of any color. Short term or multiple days, succession of 3-4-5 girls in a row one after another, or two of them at once on the same bed, or one girl for multiple days. Variety is the name of the game.

You want to go to Thailand, Tijuana, FKK in Germany, Brasil or Columbia? Please do. This is Forum about Kiev, and we discuss Kiev here. There is no way to compare diamonds to pearls and prove with certainty which is better.

For many of us Kiev is the best.

[NorskKing]

If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards).

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend.

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal.PhotoSlider,

Very very meaningful post that should be displayed on the main page of this forum. I am missing the "like" button here. Every word you said makes sense.

[DramaFree11]

F I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger..Nice post, pretty hard to be successful in Kiev at budget of $50 a day, I would say $150 minimum, but great advise. This is the only way to be successful in Ukraine, still think there are much better place to Monger.

[Michi T]

I have to totally disagree, amazing you are the only person that does not see the working girls. Best case scenario 50%, are normal girls, but I would guess 70-90% are working girls.Good for you, feel free to disagree. I was there on Sunday evening with that other guy from the forum. And both of us did not see any working girls. All people were into (salsa) dancing.

[Michi T]

No, I am not young, not at all!

My comments to your list:

1. Younger. - up to 49 years is ok if the other factors are good.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy. - yes, of course.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards). - not really, jeans and t-shirt is ok.

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant. - this is key element.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend. - not at all. You won't tell about your financial ressources on first meeting, will you? And 50 k $ is no resource, is it?

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal. - no need for that but of course, is good.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly. - no, why?

8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it. - of course this is essential (see also number 4).

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian. - absolutely not needed.

10. Having contacts from prior visits. - absolutely not needed.

- Numbers 2, 4 and 8 seem to be key elements.

And let's face it, if key elements are missing and / or if there is a 40+ old guy, maybe no good figure and not good looking tries to get a beautiful 20-30 year old girl it is just an illusion. Why would such a girl even talk to such a dude?


If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

I prefer 19-22 year old ladies of any color. Short term or multiple days, succession of 3-4-5 girls in a row one after another, or two of them at once on the same bed, or one girl for multiple days. Variety is the name of the game.

For many of us Kiev is the best.

[Mitian 1994]

Hi Seniors,

Iam exploring Kiev / Baku for a trip in October.

Please suggest as which one is better for mongering?

Thanks,

Mitian.

[PhotoSlider]

No, I am not young, not at all!MichiT,

You do not behave like an old geezer at all. Must be one of the reasons your sightseeing is so successful.

Thanks for honest concise informative response.


My comments to your list:

1. Younger. - up to 49 years is ok if the other factors are good.I am older than that and still score with coffee baristas, haircut professionals and theater buffet cashier register girls. It is not about biological age, but rather about being young at heart.

It is easier for younger gentlemen to stay fit. On the other hand they typically are not perceived as a source of income.

The key is to be clean shaven, have a hint of an expensive male perfume or good cognac smell, and get your dick going in a reliable and satisfying manner at important times.

If I recall correctly, Riina mentioned that girls prefer making love to their peers, and despise older admirers. I can agree only to a certain degree. In terms of their make-believe actress performances in bed they appear so sincere! And how can anyone determine how much they play with boys within their own age group? Great actress rarely puts her guard down. Of course my vanity is speaking here.


2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy. - yes, of course.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards). - not really, jeans and t-shirt is ok.Jeans and T-shirt is also a Kiev standard. You and I might agree on the subject in general.

As discussed many times before overdressing is bad. Yet it all depends on the target environment. Dancing salsa in the suit and a tie may be not as convenient, if everybody around is dressed down. Likewise, slippers and cut-down shorts may not be accepted even at the entrance to some facilities, while City Beach Club is the opposite.


4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant. - this is key element.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend. - not at all. You won't tell about your financial ressources on first meeting, will you? And 50 k $ is no resource, is it?You meant $50, not $50 K. We do not have oil magnates visiting Kiev forum.

There is at least one gentleman staying in Kiev for extended periods on 50 bucks a day budget, and that includes visitors. Maybe it is $75 or $100/ day on average, but Kozerog is essentially happy and I more than admire his approach.


6. At least 10-15 days at disposal. - no need for that but of course, is good.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly. - no, why?See item 10 below. There are different ways of hunting. I do enjoy catching a new pussy. Charming her, learning what she likes in multiple aspects of her life, including sex.

I also like simply writing up a short SMS:

- Hi Oksana! Haven't seen you in awhile. Do you have time today?

- Yes, would love to meet with you! I can be at your place within two hours.

For the above dialog to happen the girl needs to consider you as a person she can also count on. It's a two way street. Boys do not want to be stood up, girls want reliable partners. Visiting Kiev regularly helps with this perception.

BTW, most of my top 10 list has been assembled from Kiev Forum posts by other distinguished gentlemen, not me.


8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it. - of course this is essential (see also number 4).

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian. - absolutely not needed.Occasionally I need more than pure mating and I like intelligent women. Some of them do not converse in any other languages.

I am afraid you exaggerate here, MichiT. Even for pure street hunting local language helps tremendously in any country.


10. Having contacts from prior visits. - absolutely not needed.See comment to item 7.


- Numbers 2, 4 and 8 seem to be key elements.

And let's face it, if key elements are missing and / or if there is a 40+ old guy, maybe no good figure and not good looking tries to get a beautiful 20-30 year old girl it is just an illusion. Why would such a girl even talk to such a dude?Illusion is the right word. And then some of the 40+ old guys say:

- Oh, I suck. Life is miserable!

While others say:

- These grapes are definitely sour! They do not look good at all. No more than 4-5 on a scale 1 to 10.

And others go and try their luck at Rio.

Cheers!

[Member #4722]

Recently spent two weeks in Kiev. Love the city there is so much to do. I had friends in town and was doing a lot of non-mongering activities, so I didn't get as many girls as I had hoped. But had a great time regardless.

I have been to Kiev now four times so I had some contacts from previous trips. Before my visit I collected about 20 numbers from Mamba. I prioritized the ladies that were the most attractive and the ones where their Whatsapp pictures matched their Mamba profile. Also good communication via Mamba helped me prioritize.

Just to be clear I will not be sharing any contacts. Last summer I shared contacts with 10-15 people and got only a few thank yous and only one report back. You can find all the same women I am reporting about you just have to do the work.

So my first night in town I was able to meet with my No. 1 choice. Wow she was amazing. I am into the girl next door type and I like tall women with nice fair skin. This one checked all the boxes for me and was even more beautiful in person. She has only been doing this a couple months so I was probably lucky in that she is very open and not jaded. $100/ HR and did everything I wanted even tried anal even though I am very big but it was hurting her so I stopped. But just about everything but BBFS was on the table and it was a pleasure to spend time with this one. A solid 8 in looks for my tastes and a 10 in bed. Definitely going to keep this one in the permanent rotation. Saw her three times and probably would have even more but I had other obligations and she left town a few days before my visit ended.

Also had three sessions with the beauty I met off Mamba in the past. For me another 8 and a little more beautiful than the girl I just talked about. We have become pretty good friends in the last two years. She is a very serious person and even though half my age she is more mature than me. But I think we have a genuine friendship and she has never asked me for anything extra. Even when we talk about the fee to have sex it is just a real quick negotiation and other than that it is just like normal "friends with benefits". I am generous with her and have sent her unsolicited gifts (for holidays and such. She graduated recently and I told her I would bring her whatever perfume she wanted for a present and to my surprise she picked one in the $80 range. Then she asked if I could bring her something else, and I was like "ok here it comes where I get hit with a big request". But she only asked for chocolates! The sex is very vanilla with this one but it is a pleasure to be with such a beautiful woman with whom I have a mutual respect with. I know she has other friends like me as I see her social media and she always has flowers in her pictures but I don't have any illusions I am the only one or that we will be together in the end (I have a SO I am very happy with so not looking for a LTR).

I know both of these girls I mentioned are picky when it comes to suitors. The first girl told me when she first got on Mamba she had 150+ messages each day. I am in my 40's but tall and athletic and on my Mamba I have pictures of myself doing a lot of outdoor activities so maybe this helped me connect with these two. The friend girl flaked on me my first trip but we still kept in touch for the next year so I think she wants to establish some rapport before meeting.

But also Mamba wasn't a 100% success. I didn't have time to meet as many of my contacts as I wanted but I did try and go down the list and contacted by top 6-7. One beauty redhead was out of town when I wanted to meet. One girl said that if I was staying at an apartment as opposed to a hotel that I would have to send her a copy of my passport and I said fuck that. A few others never even responded to my messages on Whatsapp. Like every trip I had a few contacts that seemed like normal civvie girls but I knew that would take time and I would rather go the P4 P route with limited time. There was one woman I had a lot of conversation with on Mamba and I did try and meet her (she speaks only Russian) and she never responded to my Whatsapp after about two weeks of positive conversation leading up to my trip. So who knows what some of these girls are thinking.

My wingman didn't even know about Mamba before I told him and he used this to get 1-2 girls a day. I only met two of his dates (one was a 30's MILF but attractive, the other was pretty cute) but he did send me candid pictures of a few others who were very attractive 7-8 so whomever said Mamba is useless is full of it or isn't using it correctly. I did an FKK tour after Kiev and the quality of women I met with in Ukraine was above or equal to what I got in FKK, but the difference is that in Kiev you aren't rushed and you have a chance to build a connection that you can't really get with a hardened pro.

Went to Caribbean Club about six times on this trip. I like this place because they are easy with face control and they have at least a small crowd every night. I would have to say Mondays and Tuesdays 95% of the women in there are pros. On a crowded weekend night when they have a concert that ratio goes down to 20-30%. I would say you probably aren't going to find a lot of stunners in there. Last year I met a very pretty girl that gave a 10 session but I did not find her this trip. But on weekend nights there are some very beautiful pro girls in this club. I arrived to Kiev on Saturday and after my session with the Mamba girl I went to CC club. I saw a MILFy blonde girl there in a tight dress she was definitely an 8 she was dancing so sexy I think I had a tent in my pants as the Cialis was working its magic but she was immediately grabbed by a Turkish guy who left with her quickly. I would say if you are looking for a girl get there around 23:00 and approach anyone you like quickly because I think all the pretty girls there get grabbed early. I also saw one who had a great strategy on a slow night is to be the last girl there at closing and of course some horny turk grabbed her to take her home. Also saw many girls from my last visit in summer of 2017. Ran into one girl I reported about here who I did not know was a pro and took her out on a date and she asked for champagne and ordered a $150 bottle and then would not even give me a kiss. I know she hates black people so I told all her friends this trip that she left me for a black guy. Ran into a girl I met 5 years ago and have sessioned with every trip since but last time she had a lousy attitude and CBJ so I didn't even call her this time but she was cute and I think she is now working at CC.

My wingman arrived on a Monday and we met at CC and there were about 20 guys and about 15-20 pros. We were drinking pretty heavily and having a good time. We met this blonde girl Olga. I was already over my budget and wasn't looking for a date that night so I was trying to push her on my wingman. She was mid-20's and she looked amazing in a dress that showed off her best assets. He was too drunk to pull the trigger and I was feeling her vibes so I decided to take her home. She started off at $300 for the night I got ger down to $200 (I didn't want to spend more than $100 on any session but was drunk and thought she would be worth it). When the clothes came off I realized her dress was deceiving. She looked like she had "curves in all the right places" but when the dress came off she was overweight. 5. 5 body 7. 5 face so a 6. But like my CC girl last year she gave a wild session. Face fucking (so hard she ran to the bathroom to puke), mutual masturbation, hard sex, CIM. We polished off two bottles of wine at her AirBNB (which was nicer than where I was staying!) and we were already drunk when we got home. This girl was fucking crazy but a very good time. At one point she was talking some racist crap and I was like "do you realize you just fucked a guy who is half Mexican? She wanted me to sleep with her and I waited until she fell asleep and then left as I like to sleep alone. 6 looks 8 in bed.

My other session was with a girl I met off Mamba 5 years ago. We spent almost a week together back then and were very hot and heavy with each other. Once she realized I wasn't coming back right away she cut off contact with me. And recently by chance she contacted me a couple months before my trip. She wasn't good with communication and now lives in Lyiv so I didn't want to pay for her transportation to Kiev and basically blew her off. I guess she found her way to Kiev anyways to see me. Back then this girl had zero body fat but she got a little pudgy in 5 years. Another crazy one who likes to drink too much and eventually I had to send her packing as we had a nice connection but way too much drama.

So all in all I had a great time. If I could do it all over again I would probably try to concentrate more on Mamba girls as I had some really nice contacts that I couldn't connect with or didn't have the time. The city is pretty amazing and there is so much to do. I could probably stay there a couple months and never get bored. As this was my fourth trip and I have now spent more than a month in Kiev I am pretty comfortable with the city and it's no longer a culture shock. I love that in this city you can go out any night and meet a much younger woman as in Ukraine it's not that odd for a woman in her 20's to be with a guy in his 40's and that is not the case where I live and in most of the world. Even have a few civvie girls I met in normal circumstances that I am working a long game on. One of my favorite things to do is drink beer in Podil at an outdoor café during the day and watch all the hotties walk by all day. Ukrainian people may seem cold at first but when you give them respect they open up and they are very nice people in general.

[PhotoSlider]

Hi Seniors,

Iam exploring Kiev / Baku for a trip in October.

Please suggest as which one is better for mongering?Compare number of Kiev Forum messages vs. Baku. See if you have any further Qs.

[PhotoSlider]

Caribbean.


I was there on Sunday evening with that other guy from the forum. And both of us did not see any working girls. All people were into (salsa) dancing.Rog123 just explained it. Ratio changes depending on what's going on at CC. Concert, public dancing, different days of the week.

[Rammstein2]

I read your report with great pleasure and could confirm that Mamba is great to get in touch with girls. I have been in Kiev 15 times since December 2015; all together about half a year and it was a great time. Unfortunately my 24 year old number one girl whom I knew since may 2016 left me in may because she had a boyfriend now. I recognized that she was the great factor to go to Kiev; the other girls only have been the starter and the dessert. I am about 50 and I think that I will never had such a beautiful, clever and shy girl again, a former student who only got in financial troubles once and met me at this time.

What can I do to feel good in Kiev again? I think your post helped me very much!

[Kater100]

Recently spent two weeks in Kiev. Love the city there is so much to do. I had friends in town and was doing a lot of non-mongering activities, so I didn't get as many girls as I had hoped. But had a great time regardless.

I have been to Kiev now four times so I had some contacts from previous trips. Before my visit I collected about 20 numbers from Mamba. I prioritized the ladies that were the most attractive and the ones where their Whatsapp pictures matched their Mamba profile. Also good communication via Mamba helped me prioritize.

Just to be clear I will not be sharing any contacts. Last summer I shared contacts with 10-15 people and got only a few thank yous and only one report back. You can find all the same women I am reporting about you just have to do the work.

So my first night in town......Excellent Report Rog123! Thank you very much!

I will be in Kiev next month in August with some friends for the first time. I will do my "homework" in mamba.

We arrived on Wednesday late at 23:30. I asking this already in another post if someone have a recommendation for Wednesday and Thursday night. It seams like that Caribbean Club is the right choice.

What I didn't understand in CC is when they have shows on weekends when the DJ start to play? When we don't like to watch the show when should we come for the DJ?

[DramaFree11]

Just want everyone to Understand Car. Club is an average place, some might say below average depending on your tastes. But during the week is an option. You should probably go there before hitting the strip clubs you probably can negotiate a better deal and for a longer period of time. You will find the same type of girls that are at the strip clubs, 5-6, we a few 7's mixed. Mostly Sex Tourist (Attempting to B P. C.).

Rog123 just explained it. Ratio changes depending on what's going on at CC. Concert, public dancing, different days of the week.

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Awesome Report!


...The city is pretty amazing and there is so much to do. I could probably stay there a couple months and never get bored. As this was my fourth trip and I have now spent more than a month in Kiev I am pretty comfortable with the city and it's no longer a culture shock. I love that in this city you can go out any night and meet a much younger woman as in Ukraine it's not that odd for a woman in her 20's to be with a guy in his 40's...That is the essence of Kiev! I feel exactly the same before, during and after each visit. Thank you so much for sharing.

[BigBangLover]

Just want everyone to Understand Car. Club is an average place, some might say below average depending on your tastes. But during the week is an option. You should probably go there before hitting the strip clubs you probably can negotiate a better deal and for a longer period of time. You will find the same type of girls that are at the strip clubs, 5-6, we a few 7's mixed. Mostly Sex Tourist (Attempting to B P. C.).

Rog123 just explained it. Ratio changes depending on what's going on at CC. Concert, public dancing, different days of the week.Yes, but it seems, it is still the best option when we talking just about Clubs.

Of course, you can try street game, mamba etc, but let us just concentrate on Nightlife and Clubs:

Especially when you have just a short time visit in Kiev, CC looks like the best place for tourists.

Shooters and Buddha Bar maybe the second option?

During my visit Ii explored some local non-touristic clubs DLeur (former DLux), Chi, Coyote Ugly.

I heard about Club Ajur in the Avalon Complex, but not tried during my short visit.

Sometimes there can be Non-Pro, E. G. Students on weekends, who want try their luck with foreigners.

[DramaFree11]

Yes, but it seems, it is still the best option when we talking just about Clubs.

Of course, you can try street game, mamba etc, but let us just concentrate on Nightlife and Clubs:

Especially when you have just a short time visit in Kiev, CC looks like the best place for tourists.

Shooters and Buddha Bar maybe the second option?

During my visit Ii explored some local non-touristic clubs DLeur (former DLux), Chi, Coyote Ugly.

I heard about Club Ajur in the Avalon Complex, but not tried during my short visit.

Sometimes there can be Non-Pro, E. G. Students on weekends, who want try their luck with foreigners.

Good Advice, I would avoid Shooters, just go to Strip Bar. Shooters is a total waste of time unless you real have incredibly low standards. There was a time that it was decent, but real bad reviews now.

[Member #4722]

In the past I have gone to Shooters once or twice each trip. I didn't even bother this time. Not many pretty girls and the staff is very rude.

Most of the staff at Caribbean is nice but one bartender chastised me for not tripping when I had been tipping for every round. Maybe some girls grabbed my tips off the bar. Then the next night he refused to serve me! I was stone cold sober at the time. He just pointed me to the other bar where I got my drinks with no issues.

[PhotoSlider]

New GIA site https://escort.vc/ has improved significantly:

- Much better organized and structured.

- Has ability to compare girls.

- New phone number.

"Site under construction" is not anymore.

There's a bit of usual cheating: age for many girls is few years off, customer review dates are adjusted to hide the 2-3 months gap, etc. Nothing unexpected.

Seems that business partners and protection services have worked out a mutually beneficial agreement. As a wise man said, - too much money being lost.

Awaiting the first reviews. Actually do not expect it to be significantly different from before the bust.

[OlaxxxOlsen]

Hello,

Not easy to figure out about prices in Kiev.

I got sexbomb girl who give real GFE for 100 usd / 2 hours.

Then other nice InstagramGirl want 1000 usd!!

This is because somebody do pay so much.

Remember a teacher salary is about 300 usd / month.

Go for the semipro or MILF who need the money.

But it take time to find the good deal in Kiev.


The phone is not answering indeed.

Before you guys get all excited you might want to look at the prices. Prices start at $250, insane amount of money for Kiev.

[DramaFree11]

The sight is nice, but the prices are insane. When you add in Travel Expenses you are paying any where from $250-350 an hour, or more, this make zero sense, to bang an average girl, that could barely get a job at Hooter's or Twin Peaks in America. Yes, the more money you spend. On the site the cheaper it is, but still a total waste of resources. Some of the same guys celebrating GIA, say do not over pay, total contradiction. Anything above $150 is way too much in Kiev. You can go to many different destinations, in the world where you can Hook up with real models for less money and you can pay them extra and the can lie to you! I will give examples.

I understand if you want a run around and approach 18-21 girls on the streets of Kiev, you probably have to approach between 10-25 a day to develop a network. Mamba, you are looking at 1-2 hours a day, probably more and many scams, (Fake Photos, trying to go to Expensive Restaurants, Bring there Friends, there are just too many to list.) This makes sense, around $100 or $200 for the night. The street game can work a by far less scams. The girls will tell you are great and Ukraine guys suck, not for me, but some guys love this. Also, Rio is a good option if you can get out of there with not spending a lot on there scams. Again, these girls are very average.

Destinations I have lived or visited several times:

1. Moscow you can bang real models, (Not Hooter Girls) for $175-350, develop relationships with them they will go out with you and spend the night.

A. Cost of living is fair, if you us Airbb and Uber, very reasonable.

Be. You could sponsor a Model for $1000-2500 a month.

2. Mexico big Cities you can get real model, (from all over the world) $150-300, all shapes and sizes.

A. Living Expenses very reasonable.

B. Mexico City I was banging real fitness Models for way cheaper then girls in Kiev.

C. Also, there also other great locations Tijuana. Monterrey. Beach destinations are way more expensive.

3. Colombia way over-rated, would not recommended it, but you can find some Hot Girls, again would not recommend, way over rated.

4. Dubai you have a better chance I finding a Hot girl from Ukraine there, then in Kiev.

5. Germany way cheaper and if you are willing to pay GIA prices, you can have whatever you like.

6. Asia, I am sure is way cheaper, but not for me.

7. Seeking Arrangement in the States or Europe, in Major cities you can get hot College Girls for $300-400, for the night and monthly $1500-3000, and they meet with you a couple of times a week. Europe, Russia, and Mexico much cheaper, I highly recommend this sight.

Has improved significantly:

- Much better organized and structured.

- Has ability to compare girls.

- New phone number.

"Site under construction" is not anymore.

There's a bit of usual cheating: age for many girls is few years off, customer review dates are adjusted to hide the 2-3 months gap, etc. Nothing unexpected.

Seems that business partners and protection services have worked out a mutually beneficial agreement. As a wise man said, too much money being lost.

Awaiting the first reviews. Actually do not expect it to be significantly different from before the bust.

[Horny American]

I visited Kiev in both June and July and had a pretty much easy time in getting as much action as I could handle. I do admit that Mamba was more work than usual since Gia wasn't running but I was still able to easily find many young, cute and sexy girls at affordable prices. My best Mamba girls actually contacted me. They could see my profile that I was both in town and willing to be a sponsor. Their profile DID NOT say that they would looking for a sponsor either. They were more or less UTR semi pro's using Mamba. I was also contacted on Mamba by over a dozen girls that pretended to be real but were really an agency.

I still visited a strip club and brought some action back from there as well. As mentioned before, I also got action from Buddha Bar very, very easily. I was also approached on three different occasions on Kreschatyk while I was just sitting and taking a break. One wanted to go to my room for $100 and when I declined she then gave me her laminated card and said she could arrange for anyone I wanted. That she would get a commission out of it. One of the others that approached me tried to get me to go back to her apartment instead of my hotel. I was VERY suspicious of her and said no way!

I'll add some pics below too since I always make an effort to get both pics and videos from my encounters and most women do allow it if you can talk the talk (or tip enough LOL). I plan on making another report when I have more time about some of the Mamba girls. I'm not giving out too much info for one reason. That reason is that I did before and then a monger threw me under the bus by blabbing to the girl about my report. She then freaked out on me even though I didn't use her real name or pics. Therefore, less info for others is less headache for me.

Note: I am not claiming that any of the women were a 10 at all. In previous trips, I did find women that most would say were a 10 but those I found on Instagram actually.

[Volpone]

LOL, coming to Kiev and paying a monthly salary for a pro, that smells despair.

You can have many Eastern Europe girls for less than that in Western Europe. I think even Belgium, United Kingdom, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria are going to be cheaper than Kiev. Don't say that Ukrainian girls are prettier than Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian or Baltic countries girls, that's not true.

This morning just had a pretty NON-PRO, 23 years old student for 50 $ (French kisses, 69, BBBJ, Cuni and sex) + 200 UAH for taxi, because she lives very far away. She wanted to come by Mini-bus, but she was late, so she told me she took a taxi. Well I don't know the truth, she might have come by mini-bus anyway. Next time she wants to come by mini bus, because she wants to save the 184 UAH, small amount, a bit more than 7 $. So you can see that I could get 5 Non-pros with these 250 $ for a GIA girl.

Who is going to pay these insane prices and to feed the mafia?

[BigBangLover]

Destinations I have lived or visited several times:

1. Moscow you can bang real models, (Not Hooter Girls) for $175-350, develop relationships with them they will go out with you and spend the night.

A. Cost of living is fair, if you us Airbb and Uber, very reasonable.

Be. You could sponsor a Model for $1000-2500 a month.

2. Mexico big Cities you can get real model, (from all over the world) $150-300, all shapes and sizes.

A. Living Expenses very reasonable..Good information about other destinations from an experienced, Just missed Brasilia, should be one of the best countries.

E. G. Rio with nice beach atmosphere.

But it's all subjective, and it depends on what you are looking for. Its not all about sex.

A lot of factors influence the choice:

Beauty of girls, nightlife, living costs, good food, weather, visa required? Mentality of local people. And of course the situation in your origin country.

From my point of view the Visa for Russia (Moscow) is annoying.

Last time it took 4 weeks, many requirement documents, about 90€ etc.

Its nonsense for a person like me (living in Germany, where everywhere FKK Clubs - 30 min /50€) going to Kiev just for sex.

Maybe it was a good destination 4-5 years ago.

Nevertheless, I like to visit it 1-2 times for a short weekend trip.

It is still one of the cheapest (costs, living standards) european capitols.

[PhotoSlider]

LOL, coming to Kiev and paying a monthly salary for a pro, that smells despair.Despair is the right word here. Reasons for that might be numerous:

- Short visit.

- Inexperienced, not prepared, or simply having unrealistic expectations.

- Being rejected because of being old, physically or emotionally unattractive, insecure, etc. Essentially despair because of being in a desperate need of female attention, and not getting it.

- Splurging for the last time in his miserable life before getting locked up with SO in Western European or American Dream jail.

Many reasons.


You can have many Eastern Europe girls for less than that in Western Europe. I think even Belgium, United Kingdom, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria are going to be cheaper than Kiev. Don't say that Ukrainian girls are prettier than Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian or Baltic countries girls, that's not true.For myself it is not about them girls appearing prettier. Appearance contributes to overall picture, but it is not the most important factor.

For example, Jymondor, myself and many others find ex-GIA Kristina attractive, while others would think our choice is questionable. She is so sweet, yet with a strong character. And she takes every effort to make the act of love the most comfortable for her man at every moment of time and turn of the body, she hears and reads my mind and guesses what needs to be done next without me saying a single word. What a lady!

If I wanted drive-through type service, I would be at FKK or Tijuana, where it is very transactional, and providers are lacking any hint of a soul. They may be acrobatic and fit, fulfill every acronym fantasy, still staying mechanical and leaving me thirsty for an interaction with a human being.

Performance in bed is an important factor, but I need more than that. In Kiev those of us lucky enough to succeed get a trustworthy illusion of returning back to our youth.


This morning just had a pretty NON-PRO, 23 years old student for 50 $ (French kisses, 69, BBBJ, Cuni and sex) + 200 UAH for taxi, because she lives very far away. She wanted to come by Mini-bus, but she was late, so she told me she took a taxi. Well I don't know the truth, she might have come by mini-bus anyway. Next time she wants to come by mini bus, because she wants to save the 184 UAH, small amount, a bit more than 7 $. So you can see that I could get 5 Non-pros with these 250 $ for a GIA girl.

Who is going to pay these insane prices and to feed the mafia?Simple answer: those who are wealthier than an average Kiev visitor.

Some boys buy yachts and fishing boats, some spend tens and tens of thousands of dollars on home theaters and expensive cars. I like Ukrainian ladies. As well as Brazilian, Mongolian, Costa Rican, and many many others.

Volpone, there is definitely nothing wrong with your $50 23 years old. I do the same with ex-GIA, Rio employees and masseuses. In no rush to overpay, as my resources are not unlimited, especially during longer stays in Kiev. Still, once in a while I need a lady to go out, my date stood me up in the most typical Ukrainian manner at the last moment, and none of contacts are available. If time is of essence and certain sophistication is required for 4-6-8 hours, I go to GIA and most of the time they provide. Out of 10+ occurrences only one wasn't satisfactory, behaving in an arrogant condescending manner, and even she was great in bed upon arrival and looked exceptional, but I need more than that.

For some of us $50-75 a day is a budget limit, and I definitely respect that, and would try to follow. For others $700-1200 a day is doable over 3-5 days, and I am okay with that too, but wouldn't do it myself.

[DramaFree11]

I visited Kiev in both June and July and had a pretty much easy time in getting as much action as I could handle. I do admit that Mamba was more work than usual since Gia wasn't running but I was still able to easily find many young, cute and sexy girls at affordable prices. My best Mamba girls actually contacted me. They could see my profile that I was both in town and willing to be a sponsor. Their profile did not say that they would looking for a sponsor either. They were more or less UTR semi pro's using Mamba. I was also contacted on Mamba by over a dozen girls that pretended to be real but were really an agency.

I still visited a strip club and brought some action back from there as well. As mentioned before, I also got action from Buddha Bar very, very easily. I was also approached on three different occasions on Kreschatyk while I was just sitting and taking a break. One wanted to go to my room for $100 and when I declined she then gave me her laminated card and said she could arrange for anyone I wanted. That she would get a commission out of it. One of the others that approached me tried to get me to go back to her apartment instead of my hotel. I was very suspicious of her and said no way!

I'll add some pics below too since I always make an effort to get both pics and videos from my encounters and most women do allow it if you can talk the talk (or tip enough LOL). I plan on making another report when I have more time about some of the Mamba girls. I'm not giving out too much info for one reason. That reason is that I did before and then a monger threw me under the bus by blabbing to the girl about my report. She then freaked out on me even though I didn't use her real name or pics. Therefore, less info for others is less headache for me.

Note: I am not claiming that any of the women were a 10 at all. In previous trips, I did find women that most would say were a 10 but those I found on Instagram actually.

Nice report, and good advice just curious what are the price at Buddha Bar now. When I was there, the range was between $200-400, for girls this quality, I would not pay that rate.

[Horny American]

This board is supposed to be about Kiev, not other locations. There are boards for those other places.

This should be questions, comments and reports about Kiev to help each other here.

Unfortunately, most guys here are never happy. They just complain all the time. Cry like a baby about how expensive it is, how much work it is and how ugly the women are.

Most guys that post here could have a free night in bed with multiple porn stars and would still complain about it. They probably think that they should be the one getting paid LOL.

These guys are the problem here. They scare guys away and if someone comes here to try and find out any information they have to sort through so many pages of garbage that they give up.

Not everyone comes here on a sex trip. They might be in town on business or to see family. If they want to have some fun while they're here they need our help.

So you're either part of the problem or part of the solution.

[Watson39]

In the past I have gone to Shooters once or twice each trip. I didn't even bother this time. Not many pretty girls and the staff is very rude.

Most of the staff at Caribbean is nice but one bartender chastised me for not tripping when I had been tipping for every round. Maybe some girls grabbed my tips off the bar. Then the next night he refused to serve me! I was stone cold sober at the time. He just pointed me to the other bar where I got my drinks with no issues.My Ukrainian friend puts Shooter positively, and was happy about it. I will be in town on Aug 1 and would like to explore Shooter. I am travelling alone (Asian at 40's) and would like to invite someone to join for a drink.

[AndrewHaim2]

I came across http://private-clube.kiev dot ua / place on google that does everything from BDSM sessions to squirting training sessions and booked a session. I was shown a line up of about 6 women all very attractive and could speak English. I went for the 750 uah massage with happy ending and paid for some extras as pretty everything was available.

If I had more time I would go back and book two ladies and have them show me a few things on each other as at the end I had a good chat and they were very open to it. The approach of the business is more about providing set experiences as available on their website. One last thing, I booked through their website using the online conversation box. Never done that before.

[Eric Emp]

I visited Kiev in both June and July and had a pretty much easy time in getting as much action as I could handle. I do admit that Mamba was more work than usual since Gia wasn't running but I was still able to easily find many young, cute and sexy girls at affordable prices. My best Mamba girls actually contacted me. They could see my profile that I was both in town and willing to be a sponsor. Their profile DID NOT say that they would looking for a sponsor either. They were more or less UTR semi pro's using Mamba. I was also contacted on Mamba by over a dozen girls that pretended to be real but were really an agency.

I still visited a strip club and brought some action back from there as well. As mentioned before, I also got action from Buddha Bar very, very easily. I was also approached on three different occasions on Kreschatyk while I was just sitting and taking a break. One wanted to go to my room for $100 and when I declined she then gave me her laminated card and said she could arrange for anyone I wanted. That she would get a commission out of it. One of the others that approached me tried to get me to go back to her apartment instead of my hotel. I was VERY suspicious of her and said no way!

I'll add some pics below too since I always make an effort to get both pics and videos from my encounters and most women do allow it if you can talk the talk (or tip enough LOL). I plan on making another report when I have more time about some of the Mamba girls. I'm not giving out too much info for one reason. That reason is that I did before and then a monger threw me under the bus by blabbing to the girl about my report. She then freaked out on me even though I didn't use her real name or pics. Therefore, less info for others is less headache for me.

Note: I am not claiming that any of the women were a 10 at all. In previous trips, I did find women that most would say were a 10 but those I found on Instagram actually.What are current prices.

[Eric Emp]

I will be visiting Keiv in Nov, so far my research shows that Some of the best pick up bars with working girls in Kiev are:

Buddha Bar.

Sky Bar.

Shooters.

Carribean Club.

Harem.

DLux.

Sorry Babushka.

Chi.

Tao.

Can some one confirm and I could not get the current prices, any one can shed some light.

[DramaFree11]

I will be visiting Kiev in Nov, so far my research shows that Some of the best pick up bars with working girls in Kiev are:

Buddha Bar.

Sky Bar.

Shooters.

Carribean Club.

Harem.

DLux.

Sorry Babushka.

Chi.

Tao.

Can some one confirm and I could not get the current prices, any one can shed some light.

We can all debate on the Quality of Girls in Kiev, for me it is not good, but most are in agreement that the Night Life is terrible. See. Club is the only decent place during the week, but very average and more then one day a week, you will not like. Prices $150-300, depending on your negotiation skills and looks. If yo are looking for Night Life, go to Odessa summer months. The winter Night Life does improve slightly, but still not good at all. Ground game is the only thing that works.

[OlaxxOlsen]

Hello,

I was 26 times in Kiev.

It is really about what you are looking for. It is possible to get a sexbomb for 100 usd / 2 hours in Kiev!

Budda Bar was busy and like a bordell some years ago. Then they wanted to change image and stopped working girls at the door.

Now it is not so many people there.

If there is working girls they mostly stay at the bar.

Price can be from 100 to 500 or even 1000 usd.

Ask for the womans phone number, tell here you are to drunk or tired and call here on Sunday you may have a better deal.

Sky Bar: I not like it so I do not know. Security have face control and they stop me because it look like I not can afford this club.

My shoes was not nice.

BTW I have a salary about 9000 usd / month.

Shooters: can be nice on sundays. Price like Budda Bar.

Harem. Nice strip club. 300 usd to take a girl out.

Harem and Dolls Club is the same owner.

The'Lux is now closed. New place named the'Flour or so, Never been there.

Carribean Club: I like this place. Relaxing music. Possible to meet local not working girls.

This place to have pros, but not so many sex bombs as many on this forum like to tell about.

A lot of tourist to. Many from Egypt or so.

Ola.


I will be visiting Keiv in Nov, so far my research shows that Some of the best pick up bars with working girls in Kiev are:

Buddha Bar.

Sky Bar.

Shooters.

Carribean Club.

Harem..

[Eric Emp]

We can all debate on the Quality of Girls in Kiev, for me it is not good, but most are in agreement that the Night Life is terrible. See. Club is the only decent place during the week, but very average and more then one day a week, you will not like. Prices $150-300, depending on your negotiation skills and looks. If yo are looking for Night Life, go to Odessa summer months. The winter Night Life does improve slightly, but still not good at all. Ground game is the only thing that works.Thanks, unfortunately my trip is only possible late Nov, So shall I change the venue from Kiev? Also what do you man by Ground Game?

[DramaFree11]

Your not missing much at SKY Bar. They do not real care how you dress,(Kiev Standards are low) they want you to buy a table. Not a bad club, but once you get in there most times the places in empty. Nice place, low energy, if you can get in for no cover worth checking out, but like most clubs in Kiev empty.

I was 26 times in Kiev.

It is really about what you are looking for. It is possible to get a sexbomb for 100 usd / 2 hours in Kiev!

Budda Bar was busy and like a bordell some years ago. Then they wanted to change image and stopped working girls at the door.

Now it is not so many people there.

If there is working girls they mostly stay at the bar.

Price can be from 100 to 500 or even 1000 usd.

Ask for the womans phone number, tell here you are to drunk or tired and call here on Sunday you may have a better deal.

Sky Bar: I not like it so I do not know. Security have face control and they stop me because it look like I not can afford this club.

My shoes was not nice.

BTW I have a salary about 9000 usd / month.

Shooters: can be nice on sundays. Price like Budda Bar.

Harem. Nice strip club. 300 usd to take a girl out.

Harem and Dolls Club is the same owner.

The'Lux is now closed. New place named the'Flour or so, Never been there.

Carribean Club: I like this place. Relaxing music. Possible to meet local not working girls.

This place to have pros, but not so many sex bombs as many on this forum like to tell about.

A lot of tourist to. Many from Egypt or so.

Ola.

[DramaFree11]

Thanks, unfortunately my trip is only possible late Nov, So shall I change the venue from Kiev? Also what do you man by Ground Game?

Approaching girls on the street, Italian Style!!

[Riina]

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[Eric Emp]

Is it safe and ok to stay at one of the apartments? I have booked one through Bookingcom web site but I am unable to get any response from the host, should I stick to a Hotel, do all Hotels allow Girls or they don't.

[Michi T]

Is it safe and ok to stay at one of the apartments? I have booked one through Bookingcom web site but I am unable to get any response from the host, should I stick to a Hotel, do all Hotels allow Girls or they don't.YES, of course.

[Michi T]

LOL, coming to Kiev and paying a monthly salary for a pro, that smells despair.

You can have many Eastern Europe girls for less than that in Western Europe. I think even Belgium, United Kingdom, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria are going to be cheaper than Kiev. Don't say that Ukrainian girls are prettier than Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian or Baltic countries girls, that's not true.

This morning just had a pretty NON-PRO, 23 years old student for 50 $ (French kisses, 69, BBBJ, Cuni and sex) + 200 UAH for taxi, because she lives very far away. She wanted to come by Mini-bus, but she was late, so she told me she took a taxi. Well I don't know the truth, she might have come by mini-bus anyway. Next time she wants to come by mini bus, because she wants to save the 184 UAH, small amount, a bit more than 7 $. So you can see that I could get 5 Non-pros with these 250 $ for a GIA girl.

Who is going to pay these insane prices and to feed the mafia?Why even bother with GIA.

Well done with the other girl. Where and how did you find her?

[Eric Emp]

YES, of course.Is this Yes to Hotel.

Or yes Apartments are safe.

[Volpone]

Why even bother with GIA.

Well done with the other girl. Where and how did you find her?Hi Michi,

I found her thanks to a girl from Mamba that I never met. A threesome was foresseen but we didn't do it at the end. Before meeting me the 23 years old student wanted to see my pictures. She came this time by mini bus, so no taxi to pay))). Another one today agrees to come for 1000 UAH. 10 Days ago she wanted 60 euro = 1800 UAH and I said no. With some firmness and bargaining, we may sometimes get the prices down at least with some girls. They have no pimp, so these girls make the price. I don't agree to pay any price for an average looking girl.

[Elemtere2]

Hi Michi,

I found her thanks to a girl from Mamba that I never met. A threesome was foresseen but we didn't do it at the end. Before meeting me the 23 years old student wanted to see my pictures. She came this time by mini bus, so no taxi to pay))). Another one today agrees to come for 1000 UAH. 10 Days ago she wanted 60 euro = 1800 UAH and I said no. With some firmness and bargaining, we may sometimes get the prices down at least with some girls. They have no pimp, so these girls make the price. I don't agree to pay any price for an average looking girl.That is good news! I'm now trying to do the same. It will be my first ever trip to Ukraine. But girls from Mamba are all over the place; asking between 50-1200$!

Care to share her Mamba ID so that I might contact her? I'm afraid most of the profiles are fake.

Thanks in advance!

[Jojosun]

For the delusional guys

Last thought. Make sure you clearly understand the distinction between a prostitute and a girl looking for a supportive relationship.Well said & Kiev is for guys looking for Slavic Ukrainian Girls, so it's a waste of space making comparisons with other well known Mongering destinations.

These days we don't hear much here about the Fantastic Mongering scene in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan which were in Vogue according to some on this thread about 6/7 years ago??

Next door to the 2 Stans https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tajikistan-crash-kills-4-tourists-terror-studied-as-motive/ar-BBLfLzt.

[Horny American]

Another monger asked about pricing but that mostly goes to your negotiating skills and what your comfortable with paying. The Buddha Bar "ladies" initially asked for $500 (total for both of them) and I just laughed and declined their offer. After another drink they then asked for just $400 but I declined again. We ended up settling on $200 plus a tip for the pictures and video. It wasn't a good or bad deal. They really wanted to go together and not solo and I don't mind 3 somes.

The mamba girls asked for as little as $60 for a 2-3 HR date to as much as $300 LOL. Again, I don't mind 3 somes and will ask a girl if she has a friend to join us. I always try to get pics included if I can and I'm pretty good about sweet talking them into it. I usually promise to avoid their faces etc or even offer a mask but still get lots of nice shots. The one's I'm calling Salt and Pepper is due to one being a blond and the other a brunette and I'm not giving their real names.

I'll attach a few pics that some mongers might appreciate but others will still complain about them no matter what. Just the way it is here unfortunately.

[Riina]

You can have many Eastern Europe girls for less than that in Western Europe. I think even Belgium, United Kingdom, Denmark, Switzerland, Austria are going to be cheaper than Kiev. Don't say that Ukrainian girls are prettier than Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian or Baltic countries girls, that's not true.
?What's important to remember that is unique to Ukrainians is that about a third of the population has a complete anathema towards work. You also need to know Ukrainians are molded to have good manners. I'm pretty sure they whip them in school. I always see low class behavior among the other EE's but not Ukrainians even though they can be real scum on the inside. This is why Ukrainian girls offer unique experiences. You have a high energy girl that doesn't work and acts polite. Plus, they don't eat a lot of crap.

[DramaFree11]

What's important to remember that is unique to Ukrainians is that about a third of the population has a complete anathema towards work. You also need to know Ukrainians are molded to have good manners. I'm pretty sure they whip them in school. I always see low class behavior among the other EE's but not Ukrainians even though they can be real scum on the inside. This is why Ukrainian girls offer unique experiences. You have a high energy girl that doesn't work and acts polite. Plus, they don't eat a lot of crap.

You are totally correct about the work, they are allergic to work, even at a young age.

[Elemtere2]

Another monger asked about pricing but that mostly goes to your negotiating skills and what your comfortable with paying. The Buddha Bar "ladies" initially asked for $500 (total for both of them) and I just laughed and declined their offer. After another drink they then asked for just $400 but I declined again. We ended up settling on $200 plus a tip for the pictures and video. It wasn't a good or bad deal. They really wanted to go together and not solo and I don't mind 3 somes.

The mamba girls asked for as little as $60 for a 2-3 HR date to as much as $300 LOL. Again, I don't mind 3 somes and will ask a girl if she has a friend to join us. I always try to get pics included if I can and I'm pretty good about sweet talking them into it. I usually promise to avoid their faces etc or even offer a mask but still get lots of nice shots. The one's I'm calling Salt and Pepper is due to one being a blond and the other a brunette and I'm not giving their real names.

I'll attach a few pics that some mongers might appreciate but others will still complain about them no matter what. Just the way it is here unfortunately.Thanks for the informative posts! Care to share a Mamba profile for an unlucky novice? All I get is fake profiles who cannot speak English at all.

[DramaFree11]

Another monger asked about pricing but that mostly goes to your negotiating skills and what your comfortable with paying. The Buddha Bar "ladies" initially asked for $500 (total for both of them) and I just laughed and declined their offer. After another drink they then asked for just $400 but I declined again. We ended up settling on $200 plus a tip for the pictures and video. It wasn't a good or bad deal. They really wanted to go together and not solo and I don't mind 3 somes.

The mamba girls asked for as little as $60 for a 2-3 HR date to as much as $300 LOL. Again, I don't mind 3 somes and will ask a girl if she has a friend to join us. I always try to get pics included if I can and I'm pretty good about sweet talking them into it. I usually promise to avoid their faces etc or even offer a mask but still get lots of nice shots. The one's I'm calling Salt and Pepper is due to one being a blond and the other a brunette and I'm not giving their real names.

I'll attach a few pics that some mongers might appreciate but others will still complain about them no matter what. Just the way it is here unfortunately.

Good job!! At that price point very good deal. As I have said in many of my previous posts, between $100-150, is fair in Kiev, anything more Hell no! Again, nice report.