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Simple question: Is COVID an STD?
Let's say I end up in Kiev, and still never got infected yet.
Let's also for the sake of discussion assume that immunity for COVID doesn't last long. To be confirmed, I know.
Now, what level of interaction with a young beautiful Ukrainian female would increase / decrease my chance of contracting COVID-19?
Obviously DFK, as this is respiratory infection.
What about Missionary without a space suit on me? BBBJ? DATY?
I didn't research the subject myself yet, and understand it is somewhat similar to flu or bacterial infections like strep and staph, but maybe I am mistaken.Make your own judgement, it's a long read:
https://novayagazeta.ru/articles/2020/04/29/85144-eto-shtorm
Darth Coder
04-30-20, 11:33
Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?
Member #4722
04-30-20, 20:14
Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?There is no use asking. Even the most open of ladies would never be truthful about this subject.
Did any of you ask girls (college girls and semi-pros in 2000-2500 uah price range) of how much do they earn from this hobby?I asked. But she said: she doesn't meet every day. Usually there are maybe two meetings a week. Sometimes just meeting. The money is spent directly. Rent (nice apartment), sports studio, beauty salon, restaurant, taxi. Kiev is not cheap if you don't go to Puzata Hata and don't use the metro. Money in the bank: nothing. Purse: for a maximum of 1-2 days. Sometimes not enough money to pay a taxi.
The professionals (who work for agencies) have more clients. But with the agency's share, there isn't much more money left.
I ventured into Kiev from suburbs and met with one of my fave girls in UKraine a few nights ago.
I was surprised that she showed up without even wearing a mask, saying "I'm so young, so I'm not worried."
Well, apparently she is misinformed. She could be passing virus to someone like,,,me!
But believing that a quality life is more important than a long, mundane life, I let her into my bed.
So far I'm not seeing any symptoms.
Adding to my report below:
When she arrived at my hotel without a mask, I chatted with her for a few minutes, socially distancing her at the hotel lobby, to make sure she was not coughing, and after that I touched her forehead to see if she has a high body temperature. When I saw her the last time 3 1/2 months ago in Kiev before covid, I remember her body was very warm, but this time it was much less warm, so I determined that she did not have a high body temperature.
At Kiev pharmacies they are now supposedly selling express coronavirus test kits. I thought about buying one and use it on her but didn't know how "express" it was, so I didn't bother.
In bed I put a mask on her, but it was an eye mask. She didn't cough or sneeze but moaned and screamed.
The Mercy Seat
05-07-20, 09:39
Hi,
Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.
Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?
Thanks for any help.
Darth Coder
05-08-20, 09:26
I asked. But she said: she doesn't meet every day. Usually there are maybe two meetings a week. Sometimes just meeting. The money is spent directly. Rent (nice apartment), sports studio, beauty salon, restaurant, taxi. Kiev is not cheap if you don't go to Puzata Hata and don't use the metro. Money in the bank: nothing. Purse: for a maximum of 1-2 days. Sometimes not enough money to pay a taxi.
The professionals (who work for agencies) have more clients. But with the agency's share, there isn't much more money left.Thanks, very helpful. So that is approximately 560 E (70 E / meeting) per month. I just plan to get a sugar baby in Kiev after the pandemic, so I think how much I should offer.
Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now.One simple-minded but cheap method is to setup a cheap internet only bank account, such as CapitalOne in the USA, then activate the ATM card, then hardcopy mail the ATM card to Ukraine, then send the ATM PIN code by text message, then transfer money into the account as desired from other bank or investment accounts. Takes a few weeks, but once setup, only 1% currency conversion fees plus local ATM fees (typically 50 UAH, so small as a percentage if withdrawing large amounts).
You can cancel the ATM card and get a new one if and when you get a new girlfriend.
I don't mean to judge, since everyone's circumstances are different, but personally I would never send money to my girl. I gave her a big bonus at end of last summer ($2000) and she should have put that into savings for emergencies like what we are having now. Otherwise, wait until I arrive. Of course, I wouldn't talk so bluntly with her, but would instead invent some silly story of my own to justify not sending money. She knows me well enough to know this is how I would react if she asked for money, and so she has not asked, though I'm sure her situation is difficult.
No one is starving in Ukraine. They have soup kitchens for the poor, plus those who came from villages can return to the village, where there is plenty of food for those willing to work.
AntonySun1996
05-08-20, 10:32
Hi,
Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.
Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?
Thanks for any help.Hi,
WU still works. I used it to send my girlfriend money last week.
Try payoneer.
Hi,
Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.
Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?
Thanks for any help.
Hi,
Girlfriend is out of job and I can't travel of course now. Anyone have a good way to send money? I normally use Western Union but not sure how good it is now. Heard not so good things about it. I thought about using IBAN but the bank need minimum 500 $ per month to open that in Kiev.
Is there a safe and easy way to send money now?
Thanks for any help.Use Transferwise, they can send to a lot of Ukrainian Cards.
Its safe and I use it a lot when either moving money on privatbank or paying for flowers, or other things.
DramaFree11
05-08-20, 19:23
One simple-minded but cheap method is to setup a cheap internet only bank account, such as CapitalOne in the USA, then activate the ATM card, then hardcopy mail the ATM card to Ukraine, then send the ATM PIN code by text message, then transfer money into the account as desired from other bank or investment accounts. Takes a few weeks, but once setup, only 1% currency conversion fees plus local ATM fees (typically 50 UAH, so small as a percentage if withdrawing large amounts).
You can cancel the ATM card and get a new one if and when you get a new girlfriend.
I don't mean to judge, since everyone's circumstances are different, but personally I would never send money to my girl. I gave her a big bonus at end of last summer ($2000) and she should have put that into savings for emergencies like what we are having now. Otherwise, wait until I arrive. Of course, I wouldn't talk so bluntly with her, but would instead invent some silly story of my own to justify not sending money. She knows me well enough to know this is how I would react if she asked for money, and so she has not asked, though I'm sure her situation is difficult.
No one is starving in Ukraine. They have soup kitchens for the poor, plus those who came from villages can return to the village, where there is plenty of food for those willing to work.Weird, normally you give decent advice. Nothing wrong with sending money to your girlfriend, in fact normal in Europe and Latin America. She will probably will be pissed of you do not. I would not send a large amount, especially to a chick in Ukraine.
I send small amounts to girls all the time and have great results. I am fortunate to be making good money during the virus. I feel terrible for my friends that have lost there job.
I think it is crazy to give any girl $2000 in Ukraine. That is 10 times worse then sending money to your girlfriend. You guys on this page never seem to amaze me with bad decisions and advice.
I think it is crazy to give any girl $2000 in Ukraine.Bonus was after 25 meetings of 4 hours each, so $80 bonus per meeting, above usual rate. Backloaded compensation encourages long-term thinking and trust on girl's part. If her trust is justified by actually receiving a good bonus, then that creates further trust and stronger long-term relationship. I am also a big believer in end of year bonuses for regular employees in the business world, for similar reasons of building strong long-term relationships.
As for actual $ amount, I am trying to take this girl off the market and keep her to myself to some extent, so if other guys are discouraged or disgusted by the amount I paid, that's just what I want. I can't ask for monogamy if I'm only in Ukraine 3 months per year, but without monogamy, I won't pay more than $2000 bonus or I'd feel like a fool. So it's a tricky balancing act and I put a lot of thought into this payment issue. Much of that thinking I shared in previous posts.
Note that I'm eventually thinking of moving permanently to Kyiv and then I'd be seeing this girl even more often, so the money I pay now is sort of an investment that might pay off. Regardless, she's inexpensive compared to what I'd have to spend to get an American girlfriend 30 years younger of similar quality.
Thanks, very helpful. So that is approximately 560 E (70 E / meeting) per month. I just plan to get a sugar baby in Kiev after the pandemic, so I think how much I should offer.Until the beginning of the year 2500 uah were equal to 100 dollars. Even if we are in recession: Ukrainians think differently. At the moment it is not clear when men from abroad can travel to Ukraine again. The government plans to close the country completely by 2020/2021. I would not plan for summer and autumn.
U..... The government plans to close the country completely by 2020/2021.....Without a proof where exactly it says that this is planned you should not spread such things here.
Or can you please tell us exactly where it says it's planned?
This is a Facebook post from the official British Embassy in Kyiv page: Note the last two lines. So if a Ukrainian does not have permanent residency elsewhere, they cannot get permission to leave the country, as yet. Bad news for anyone who wants to bring someone to their country.
British Embassy Kyiv.
May 7 at 9:15 AM.
❗65039;Ukrainian nationals who have permanent residency in the UK and who wish to travel there are required to verify their status.
The British Embassy will support this process by informing the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of your planned travel and forwarding to them details of your residency status in the UK.
This process is for direct flights to the UK, for flights to third countries from which you will take an onward flight to the UK, and for travel by land.
To allow us to inform the MFA of your intention to leave Ukraine for the UK, please email the following information to UKinUkraine@fco.gov.uk 72 hours in advance of the flight's departure at latest.
We will be unable to process any requests received any later than this deadline.
✅Full name.
✅Date of birth.
✅Passport Number and Expiry Date.
✅Residency Permit Number and Expiry Date.
✅A scan of your Residency Permit.
✅Details of the route you wish to take to the UK.
⚠65039;Please note that our informing the MFA of your intention to leave does not confirm the validity of your residence permit, nor your ability to enter the UK.
The final decision to grant entry to the UK is always made by the UK Border Force at the port of arrival.
☝65039;Please note that Ukrainian authorities have informed us that only Ukrainians with permanent residency in foreign countries will be able to leave Ukraine.
We are therefore unable to assist any Ukrainian nationals with other UK visas or permits in leaving Ukraine.
This is a Facebook post from the official British Embassy in Kyiv page: Note the last two lines. So if a Ukrainian does not have permanent residency elsewhere, they cannot get permission to leave the country, as yet. Bad news for anyone who wants to bring someone to their country.
This is incorrect. Zelensky stated yesterday that Ukrainians can leave to work in other counties, provided the work visa is at least for 3 months, but no need fur permanent residency:
https://lb.ua/news/2020/05/09/457166_zelenskiy_viezde_sezonnih.html
As for short-term tourism, such as girls visiting sponsors, that is still blocked because of the quarantine, plus very few flights anywhere in Europe currently.
This is incorrect. Zelensky stated yesterday that Ukrainians can leave to work in other counties, provided the work visa is at least for 3 months, but no need fur permanent residency:
https://lb.ua/news/2020/05/09/457166_zelenskiy_viezde_sezonnih.html
As for short-term tourism, such as girls visiting sponsors, that is still blocked because of the quarantine, plus very few flights anywhere in Europe currently.It is correct if you go past the presidential soundbite and read the fine print. Those who have permanent residency can fly anywhere if they show that they actually have attained that status. There is now a flight to NYC on May 20 via Ukraine International. After you buy the ticket, you must submit your information to the US Embassy so that they can facilitate your departure from Ukraine with the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
With Ukrainian "wetbacks" who are seasonal workers, they are free to go provided that they show the MFA a copy of the contract with the company providing at least three months of work as well as "When a country that contacts us through diplomatic relations undertakes to provide our citizens with housing, medical insurance, we can be sure that if something happens to our citizen, they will not throw them out," said the president.
They are allowed to go, no slavery keeps them in Ukraine, but they have to provide documentary proof that they are going to work and be properly provided for. If not, they stay here along with everyone else, for now.
AntonySun1996
05-12-20, 11:31
Lufthansa and WizzAir have started to sell tickets of flights to Kyiv departing after 22 May, the date which Ukraine intends to end its lockdown. However it still remains unclear whether these are only repatriation flights for Ukrainian citizens working in EU and whether foreigners will be allowed to enter Ukraine from that date.
Lufthansa and WizzAir have started to sell tickets of flights to Kyiv departing after 22 May, the date which Ukraine intends to end its lockdown. However it still remains unclear whether these are only repatriation flights for Ukrainian citizens working in EU and whether foreigners will be allowed to enter Ukraine from that date.At the moment the quarantine in Ukraine ends on May 22nd. But the responsible ministers have already said that there will be an extension. Air traffic will only resume after the quarantine. Wizz Air and Lufthansa flights are in the system. But will never take place in reality. There are no regular city buses in Kiev at the moment. No metro. The first step will be the restoration of urban transport (buses, metro). The internal routes (trains, intercity buses) should not run again until mid-June.
Flights don't make sense at the moment. Ukrainians cannot enter the EU without a visa. Almost all embassies have closed the visa offices. Foreigners are not allowed to enter Ukraine. Then who should buy the tickets? Wizz Air needs a load of 90+ percent.
In addition: If foreigners can return to Ukraine, a two-week quarantine is mandatory. You are not allowed to receive a visitor during this time. Must be permanently in an apartment or hotel room. The walk to the restaurant or supermarket is not allowed. The authorities have already published an app for monitoring. You have to take photos of yourself and the surrounding area at regular intervals. If the app is not used or if the 2 week quarantine is broken, a penalty will be charged (about 600 dollars). You will also be put in a quarantine hotel.
In addition: If foreigners can return to Ukraine, a two-week quarantine is mandatory. You are not allowed to receive a visitor during this time. Must be permanently in an apartment or hotel room. The walk to the restaurant or supermarket is not allowed. The authorities have already published an app for monitoring. You have to take photos of yourself and the surrounding area at regular intervals. If the app is not used or if the 2 week quarantine is broken, a penalty will be charged (about 600 dollars). You will also be put in a quarantine hotel.Can you link to an government or newspaper website which discusses these rules? Russian or Ukrainian language site is okay.
AntonySun1996
05-13-20, 12:21
A Ukrainian government official claimed that Ukraine does not intend to open its borders until late June, and that the airlines that had already started to sell tickets are causing confusion for travelers.
AntonySun1996
05-13-20, 14:33
It seems at the moment foreigner can legally enter the country only if they are diplomats or medical professionals. There is a cargo plane carrying medical supplies leaving my country for Kyiv every week, I wish I could get access to it.
AntonySun1996
05-13-20, 14:47
The lockdown doesn't make much sense to me. Belarus hasn't taken any similar measure and its situation hasn't become significantly worse than Ukraine. Overreaction only makes the economic consequences worse than the virus itself. More girls who have lost their job will be forced to enter the sex industry, which, albeit good for mongers, would be an unpleasant consequence for the society. As far as I know, very few Ukrainians have the habit of saving money, so many unemployed people probably don't have enough savings to get through this difficult time if the lockdown will continue for a long time.
Can you link to an government or newspaper website which discusses these rules? Russian or Ukrainian language site is okay.The APP: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ua.gov.diia.quarantine&hl=gsw.
A two-week quarantine is mandatory: https://www.kmu.gov.ua/news/yak-pracyuye-zastosunok-dij-vdoma
The lockdown doesn't make much sense to me. Belarus hasn't taken any similar measure and its situation hasn't become significantly worse than Ukraine. Overreaction ...Some people argue that Belarus statistics cannot be trusted, so better example is Sweden. EuroMomo just released week 20 report: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps Scroll down and compare Sweden and Spain. Recall that Spain did nothing initially, then instituted a harsh lockdown, whereas Sweden has been open continuously. But graphs are similar: sharp rise as covid-19 kills off sick elderly, then decline after all sick elderly are dead. Countries that avoided the plague, like Norway and Greece, are going to experience something similar when they open.
Current estimate is that up to 1% of the population could die in countries with aged populations, like most of Europe. Lower percentage in countries with young populations, like most of Africa. Death rate can be reduced by isolating elderly until vaccine is available. But maintaining lockdown of entire society for several years is unrealistic. Because Ukraine is behind everyone else, they can learn from comparing Spain and Sweden. Unfortunately, Ukraine does not depend heavily on tourism, sexual or otherwise, and Ukraine has always had xenophobic tendencies. So even after ending internal lockdown, Ukraine may still require 14 day quarantine for inbound foreigners.
It seems at the moment foreigner can legally enter the country only if they are diplomats or medical professionals. There is a cargo plane carrying medical supplies leaving my country for Kyiv every week, I wish I could get access to it.Not total true.
All foreigners with a Valid TRP or PRP or with children or wife here can enter still.
I'm sure they will open for tourist / business very soon, the economy can't handle it to long without money coming in.
Unemployment here are already high because of lockdown.
And a lot of people are getting more and more angry, which leads to demonstrations.
Yesterday 300 buses blocked central kyiv because they want their business to reopen.
DramaFree11
05-16-20, 01:24
Some people argue that Belarus statistics cannot be trusted, so better example is Sweden. EuroMomo just released week 20 report: https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps Scroll down and compare Sweden and Spain. Recall that Spain did nothing initially, then instituted a harsh lockdown, whereas Sweden has been open continuously. But graphs are similar: sharp rise as covid-19 kills off sick elderly, then decline after all sick elderly are dead. Countries that avoided the plague, like Norway and Greece, are going to experience something similar when they open.
Current estimate is that up to 1% of the population could die in countries with aged populations, like most of Europe. Lower percentage in countries with young populations, like most of Africa. Death rate can be reduced by isolating elderly until vaccine is available. But maintaining lockdown of entire society for several years is unrealistic. Because Ukraine is behind everyone else, they can learn from comparing Spain and Sweden. Unfortunately, Ukraine does not depend heavily on tourism, sexual or otherwise, and Ukraine has always had xenophobic tendencies. So even after ending internal lockdown, Ukraine may still require 14 day quarantine for inbound foreigners.This is the final nail in the Coffin, Kiev is done. Time for you guys to move on. There are many destinations that are cheaper and better.
This is not easy to admit but I want to war all of this girl and similars. Katerina had a double life for several months, maybe triple or more. I met her beginning of December, came to my apartment. I went again to Kiev in January and she stayed three nights, with a son of 5 years. Lives in a shitty apartment with alcoholic mother, I saw pictures. End of January she starts to ask me to transfer money, tells me about her helplessness, depts, and how lucky she feels to have me. Opens up for steady relationship, dedicates a new tattoo to me and even piercing when I ask her, to test her submissiveness. April comes I have started to send 50 euro every week, but my suspicions grow. When confronted with my questions, her english becomes much better, indicating that someone is helping her. I discover her second IG account and start asking old friends in Kiev to look into this girl. We stay on friendly terms but I stop sending her money, telling her she's been found out to have a boyfriend in Kiev. She stops asking for money.
I wrote here, some years ago, nobody should send money to a girl he has not met. I sometimes make exception with girls I have met. Others must make their own decisions, myself I don't like to be cheated this way. But on the other hand, it is unrealistic of me to expect a 20 yo girl to be faithful and not lie about her personal life when the country is in a lockdown for several months. I look upon this more as my fault, and I cannot be very angry to her for long. But let us all be warned. These girls, at a young age, are cunning and a lot more experienced in cheating us to believe that they have fallen for a nice, mature and affluent foreigner.
Photos are from IG account and public as such.
Not total true.
All foreigners with a Valid TRP or PRP or with children or wife here can enter still.
I'm sure they will open for tourist / business very soon, the economy can't handle it to long without money coming in.
Unemployment here are already high because of lockdown.
And a lot of people are getting more and more angry, which leads to demonstrations.
Yesterday 300 buses blocked central kyiv because they want their business to reopen.The 300 buses didn't block the city center because of foreign tourists. You misunderstood that. During the quarantine there was no metro, no buses in the cities. No trains, no buses between the cities. The city buses and the metro will run regularly again in the next few days (with price increase). But the intercity buses only in 3-4 weeks. The owners of the interurban bus companies protested. It is about an earlier resumption of the trips and about state compensation. No foreign tourists (or very few) travel on these buses.
Ukraine is not Italy, Spain or Turkey. The Ukrainian economy is not dependent on tourism (from abroad). If you believe the opposite: it's just an illusion.
Ukraine relies on millions of Ukrainians to work in Europe and the rest of the world. This pipeline cannot be interrupted. These foreign Ukrainians are sending billions of dollars home. At the moment, Ukrainians cannot officially travel to the West. But the visa offices are open. Despite the border closure, over a million Ukrainians have access to the EU. Through Poland. With a work visa or "Karta Polaka".
I am certain that Ukrainians can enter the EU as tourists in 1-2 months. But foreigners are still not allowed to enter Ukraine. If you want to go to Ukraine as a foreigner, there will be strict laws. Strongly monitored quarantine. Or expensive corona tests.
If you want to go to Ukraine as a foreigner, there will be strict laws. Strongly monitored quarantine. Or expensive corona tests.UIA still hasn't cancelled my flight from Barcelona to Kyiv scheduled for May 27, but it will likely be cancelled. In any case, I can't get to Barcelona from where I am now in Spain because intercity buses are not running. I'm thinking maybe planning to reschedule for July 1. It might be possible to do self-quarantine once I get to Kyiv, if my Airbnb host sends me a +380 SIM in advance. However, that smartphone monitoring app (dij bdoma) appears to flaky, according to Google Play. As a foreigner who only speaks intermediate Russian, I don't want problems with the police, so I might have to go to an "isolator" facility. Do you know what those are like and what they cost for 14 days? I hope not some leftover Soviet Gulag-style solitary confinement cell with a bucket for a toilet (parasha). And when you say expensive covid test, how expensive?
I wrote here, some years ago, nobody should send money to a girl he has not met.......I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.
AntonySun1996
05-18-20, 14:51
This is not easy to admit but I want to war all of this girl and similars. Katerina had a double life for several months, maybe triple or more. I met her beginning of December, came to my apartment. I went again to Kiev in January and she stayed three nights, with a son of 5 years. Lives in a shitty apartment with alcoholic mother, I saw pictures. End of January she starts to ask me to transfer money, tells me about her helplessness, depts, and how lucky she feels to have me. Opens up for steady relationship, dedicates a new tattoo to me and even piercing when I ask her, to test her submissiveness. April comes I have started to send 50 euro every week, but my suspicions grow. When confronted with my questions, her english becomes much better, indicating that someone is helping her. I discover her second IG account and start asking old friends in Kiev to look into this girl. We stay on friendly terms but I stop sending her money, telling her she's been found out to have a boyfriend in Kiev. She stops asking for money.
I wrote here, some years ago, nobody should send money to a girl he has not met. I sometimes make exception with girls I have met. Others must make their own decisions, myself I don't like to be cheated this way. But on the other hand, it is unrealistic of me to expect a 20 yo girl to be faithful and not lie about her personal life when the country is in a lockdown for several months. I look upon this more as my fault, and I cannot be very angry to her for long. But let us all be warned..Thank you for sharing your negative experience. Your honesty and courage are greatly appreciated here. You've learnt your lesson and it's time to move on. There are plenty of nice girls in Kyiv. Never send a girl weekly allowances when you are away from her, until you have built trust.
I discover her second IG account and start asking old friends in Kiev to look into this girl.By old friends do you mean private investigators? Or your real friends who have the expertise of finding the truth?
AntonySun1996
05-18-20, 15:13
It seems unlikely that you will be able to fly to Kyiv at the end of May, or even in June.
I am literally considering entering Ukraine on foot from Belarus. Seems totally doable considering the short distance between Kyiv and Ukrainian-Belarussian border.
The 300 buses didn't block the city center because of foreign tourists. You misunderstood that. During the quarantine there was no metro, no buses in the cities. No trains, no buses between the cities. The city buses and the metro will run regularly again in the next few days (with price increase). But the intercity buses only in 3-4 weeks. The owners of the interurban bus companies protested. It is about an earlier resumption of the trips and about state compensation. No foreign tourists (or very few) travel on these buses.
Ukraine is not Italy, Spain or Turkey. The Ukrainian economy is not dependent on tourism (from abroad). If you believe the opposite: it's just an illusion.
Ukraine relies on millions of Ukrainians to work in Europe and the rest of the world. This pipeline cannot be interrupted. These foreign Ukrainians are sending billions of dollars home. At the moment, Ukrainians cannot officially travel to the West. But the visa offices are open. Despite the border closure, over a million Ukrainians have access to the EU. Through Poland. With a work visa or "Karta Polaka".
I am certain that Ukrainians can enter the EU as tourists in 1-2 months. But foreigners are still not allowed to enter Ukraine. If you want to go to Ukraine as a foreigner, there will be strict laws. Strongly monitored quarantine. Or expensive corona tests.I didn't misunderstand anything.
I live here and done it for many years.
I didn't say the buses was for turist.
And yes it was mostly interregional companies who want their routes started again.
I Also agree with you that Ukraine needs the money that the workers send home, that why the borders are officially open for Ukrainians that work abroad and can prove it.
(I know many that already left (for Finland, Poland) and more will this week).
But Ukrain also need the Turist and the Business travelers who come here to the big IT industri.
Ukraine Turism industry had from 2017 to 2018 and rise of 250% and 500 rise in job created.
Numbers for 2019 is not out yet but there was huge raise also (I work with hotels on the booking side so I know the % from outside Ukraine in the big hotels).
Right now Foreigners can only enter Ukraine if they have TRP / PRP (Temp / Permantly Residency) or are married or have children here.
"Strongly monitored quarantine. " That's an joke here, People tha come can just sign that they will self isolate at home and then download the app.
Most people don't follow the rules after leaving the airport and I have not read anyone beeing punished due to the app yet.
UIA still hasn't cancelled my flight from Barcelona to Kyiv scheduled for May 27, but it will likely be cancelled. In any case, I can't get to Barcelona from where I am now in Spain because intercity buses are not running. I'm thinking maybe planning to reschedule for July 1. It might be possible to do self-quarantine once I get to Kyiv, if my Airbnb host sends me a +380 SIM in advance. However, that smartphone monitoring app (dij bdoma) appears to flaky, according to Google Play. As a foreigner who only speaks intermediate Russian, I don't want problems with the police, so I might have to go to an "isolator" facility. Do you know what those are like and what they cost for 14 days? I hope not some leftover Soviet Gulag-style solitary confinement cell with a bucket for a toilet (parasha). And when you say expensive covid test, how expensive?That flight is 99% cancled and I would contact UIA now to get it confirmed.
Right now UIA don't sell any flights as I can see before 01.07. 2020 other than special flights that pops up some days, the next 5 days they have only 9 special flights going either in or out of kyiv.
Wizz sell flights starting from 31 MAy but if they will fly, time will Tell.
I think that the borders will open in 2-3 weeks.
And without self isolations, but maybe with a rapid test when landing and waiting for that result.
I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.I would never send money to a girl I have not met no matter what country she is in. I never expect a girl I am paying to be "faithful" to me. I am not monogamous to her, why should she be to me? If it is a business transaction, don't fool yourself. If sending a girl 50 euro a week provides you with the services you want, then I have no problem with it. But if you met a girl just once, and you paid her money, she is NOT your girlfriend--she is someone you are having a business transaction with. Business transactions can be fantastic but it is not a basis for a personal relationship.
I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.
Well, I think it quite commonly happens.
In the second half of 2018 I was seeing a 18 year old cutie in Kiev every few weeks for 3000 UAH for all night. In January 2019, a month after I left Kiev for 3 months, she asked me to send her some money, and I sent it to her. Upon return to Kiev, I found out that she had a boyfriend.
But remembering someone here who said never send money to anybody whether or not you know her, I sent her only 1000 UAH. It was also because I thought, not so realistically, that she could wait for a few more months until I return. But I never saw her again.
When I sent her money, I knew she was pretty desperate. In hindsight it means that the boyfriend was not very helpful to her. But if she was lying to me by hiding her boyfriend from me, she does not deserve any money.
She still remains to be one of the most memorable girls in my life.
Although I can see how anybody could be hooked on a girl who dedicates a tattoo to him, sending 50 Euros a week does sound a little excessive to me.
UIA still hasn't cancelled my flight from Barcelona to Kyiv scheduled for May 27, but it will likely be cancelled. In any case, I can't get to Barcelona from where I am now in Spain because intercity buses are not running. I'm thinking maybe planning to reschedule for July 1. It might be possible to do self-quarantine once I get to Kyiv, if my Airbnb host sends me a +380 SIM in advance. However, that smartphone monitoring app (dij bdoma) appears to flaky, according to Google Play. As a foreigner who only speaks intermediate Russian, I don't want problems with the police, so I might have to go to an "isolator" facility. Do you know what those are like and what they cost for 14 days? I hope not some leftover Soviet Gulag-style solitary confinement cell with a bucket for a toilet (parasha). And when you say expensive covid test, how expensive?The flight was canceled. Ukraine International Airlines canceled all international flights for May and June. Maybe you just haven't received any information yet.
The quarantine facilities have so far only been set up for Ukrainians. If I remember correctly it was a hotel near the airport. About $ 400 for the two-week quarantine. But the price can go up if foreigners come to Kiev again. The first returnees from China (Ukrainians) were housed in an old barracks. The equipment really reminded of the Gulag.
There may be no way to do a corona test in Ukraine. The airlines may request a test before departure. In Vienna, an officially recognized corona test costs 190 euros. In Frankfurt 160 euros.
The flight was canceled. Ukraine International Airlines canceled all international flights for May and June. Maybe you just haven't received any information yet.
The quarantine facilities have so far only been set up for Ukrainians. If I remember correctly it was a hotel near the airport. About $ 400 for the two-week quarantine. But the price can go up if foreigners come to Kiev again. The first returnees from China (Ukrainians) were housed in an old barracks. The equipment really reminded of the Gulag.
There may be no way to do a corona test in Ukraine. The airlines may request a test before departure. In Vienna, an officially recognized corona test costs 190 euros. In Frankfurt 160 euros.The first Place where people was isolated was an Sanatorium, its like a health spa (Russian style) it was not to be compared with a Gulag.
Yes it was worn down but thing where working there, people normally pay for go there BTW.
I not think they use the hotel for the isolation, because the law clearly say it have to be a hospital.
There are many hospitals (private) in the bigger cities who can do a Covid19 Test if needed.
... By old friends do you mean private investigators? Or your real friends who have the expertise of finding the truth?There was a couple of girls that owed me a favour. No experts in the field. I asked them to follow her IG account, as I would have been blocked immediately by her. Or she would have stopped posting, They also found out that some guys were posting revealing photos, and sent me.
And yes, I also asked them to do some nosing around in the area! But they were either living too far away, or were too scared to do it.
P.S. I seem unable to edit my post to eliminate some typos.
AntonySun1996
05-19-20, 02:46
There was a couple of girls that owed me a favour. No experts in the field. I asked them to follow her IG account, as I would have been blocked immediately by her. Or she would have stopped posting, They also found out that some guys were posting revealing photos, and sent me.
And yes, I also asked them to do some nosing around in the area! But they were either living too far away, or were too scared to do it.
P.S. I seem unable to edit my post to eliminate some typos.50 euros a week is not a huge loss, but it's the emotional damage that hurts. Never put too much trust on a girl you just met and expect her to stay committed to you. Finding a serious relationship in Kyiv is possible if you could stay in the city for long enough time and know the girl better. Otherwise the girls would just see you as a sex tourist and breathing ATM.
Your story is a typical Kyiv experience. There are a lot of scammers in the city. A clichee that has been frequently discussed here.
Again, thanks for sharing. I hope your next experience would be a more positive one.
AntonySun1996
05-19-20, 03:27
Ukraine is not Italy, Spain or Turkey. The Ukrainian economy is not dependent on tourism (from abroad). If you believe the opposite: it's just an illusion.I am not sure if this is true.
The income from sex tourism is not accounted for in the official statistics as it is illegal, but many girls rely on it.
Foreigners normally don't come to Ukraine just to visit the beaches and ancient buildings, as they do in Italy. Many of them meet hookers.
An average sex tourist spends more than an ordinary tourist, as mongering normally costs more than legit entertainments. Lets say meeting a hooker will cost you $100 per hour. Visiting a museum or a beach will cost you way less.
Also, this sort of income is not taxed. It goes directly to the girls' hands (or in some cases, to brothel managers' hands).
Ukraine actually has a lot of economic advantages in the fields other than tourism. It has large land extremely suitable for agriculture and a moderate climate, which make it a major exporter of agri products. It also has a massive amount of industrial leftovers from the Soviet era. It is selling its huge cargo planes and Soviet military technologies to other countries. But people are still poor because of the corruption and inefficiency of their government.
The first Place where people was isolated was an Sanatorium, its like a health spa (Russian style) it was not to be compared with a Gulag.
Yes it was worn down but thing where working there, people normally pay for go there BTW.
I not think they use the hotel for the isolation, because the law clearly say it have to be a hospital.
There are many hospitals (private) in the bigger cities who can do a Covid19 Test if needed.No. You are wrong. There was no hospital accommodation. A hotel room was offered to returnees from Asia. Of course not free of charge. For example in the Hotel Kozatskiy and Pushcha Congress Hotel. There aren't that many hospitals in Kiev. Thousands of foreigners could not stay in the few private hospitals. The price (14 nights without food) was UAH 10.478 (400 dollars).
https://www.unian.ua/society/10937702-chastina-turistiv-pislya-povernennya-z-bali-vtekli-z-gotelyu-u-kiyevi-video.html
https://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukrayinka-pislya-vidpochinku-na-bali-pokazala-umovi-observaciyi-pid-kiyevom-1518141.html
Only the first returnees from China went to a sanatorium. Several cities refused to allow the plane to land. The returnees were thrown at stones and threatened with death. Cars were set on fire. Do you want to be welcomed like this in Ukraine? Better not book one of the first Kiev flights when the country is open again.
https://youtu.be/Bt_wB_1ZPuY
The sanatorium:
https://maximum.fm/novi-sanzhari-foto-i-video-sanatoriyu-de-poselyat-ukrayinciv-iz-kitayu_n174036
No. You are wrong. There was no hospital accommodation. A hotel room was offered to returnees from Asia. Of course not free of charge. For example in the Hotel Kozatskiy and Pushcha Congress Hotel. There aren't that many hospitals in Kiev. Thousands of foreigners could not stay in the few private hospitals. The price (14 nights without food) was UAH 10.478 (400 dollars).
https://www.unian.ua/society/10937702-chastina-turistiv-pislya-povernennya-z-bali-vtekli-z-gotelyu-u-kiyevi-video.html
https://tsn.ua/ukrayina/ukrayinka-pislya-vidpochinku-na-bali-pokazala-umovi-observaciyi-pid-kiyevom-1518141.html
Only the first returnees from China went to a sanatorium. Several cities refused to allow the plane to land. The returnees were thrown at stones and threatened with death. Cars were set on fire. Do you want to be welcomed like this in Ukraine? Better not book one of the first Kiev flights when the country is open again.The articles are form long time ago, that's not how its handled now.
Now you install the APP and can go home and isolate there, if you have no place to stay there will be options for you to be isolated in free or rented.
I Just got info from one Girl that landed yesterday that her isolation at home is 8 days (the app tell it).
The sanatorium is still not a gulag as you wrote.
Maybe you should go to Siberia and see what a Gulag is?
The people that was demonstrating at the sanatorium was believed to be paid by someone, a lot of them was not from the city where the sanatorium was located also.
One Ministers Email was also hacked up to this, and there was send out an email saying most of the people in the buses had Covid19 (which was fake).
This Is Ukraine there is a lot of political things going on, some domestic and some is done from outside (Russia).
I'm Mostly living in Ukraine, I landed after the borders was closed for Turist's and there was no hostility against me or any others from that plane.
In the towns I been visiting the last couple of months I only meet nice people and everyone joke with that I'm Stuck here.
(Most people still shake hands when you meet and so on).
I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.If you've only known a girl briefly, I suggest giving her a bonus right before you leave, and hint that she can expect similar bonuses if she continues seeing you in the future. In my opinion, that's a better way to lock down a girl than sending money. I gave my girl a substantial bonus at end of last 3 summers together ($200 in 2017 after 9 meetings of 4 hours each, $1000 in 2018 after 22 more meetings, $2000 in 2019 after another 25 meetings). Notice that initial bonus was small, then I increased as she demonstrated reliability. My bonus amounts are much larger than your 50 euro weekly, so clearly I can't criticize your amount. But something about sending money just feels wrong to me, and I would never do it myself.
I also suggest you forget about monogamy unless you marry a girl, and even then you can't expect it if the girl is much younger. Forget love as well. My girl always makes me feel good, more so than other working girls and way more so than civilians, which why I pay her that big bonus to lock her down. But I'm under no illusions that she loves me like she might love younger men. At most she enjoys her time together with me and respects me.
I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.Your case is pretty common and has happened with many of us, myself included. You send money and hope she won't be accepting money from others, then that illusion breaks. And you feel cheated. Been there. I think trick is expectations. If I am sending money to a SW, I expect her to be meeting other men and accepting money anyway. Best way to avoid this tho, don't send money if you're not going to be there anytime soon. I have spent very little time in Kiev, but I saw it has enough girls for foreigners to have a good time. You don't need one to hold onto.
But I'm under no illusions that she loves me like she might love younger men. At most she enjoys her time together with me and respects me.Love is a fickle thing.
My experiences in Russia were the most surreal of my life. I had a girlfriend 25 years younger than me that I was not paying directly (I did take her on a trip and several dinners) have me take her virginity after I told her I loved her (I didn't really and I was seeing others). She hadn't told me she was a virgin beforehand but there was no doubt that she was. She thought I was going to marry her. Psycho as they come.
Another girl I was seeing for over two years (broke off 4 years ago) that I actually did fall in love with. We traveled a lot together but I never compensated her directly. She said she loved me and I believed she was faithful to me. She ended up breaking up with me because she wanted to have a kid and I wasn't going to do that with her. She gave birth to her son a couple of months ago. I have no idea who the father is and I have not asked. Turns out, she named him after me. Her sister told me she was going to and she announced the name of her son on her Facebook account. It is certainly an unusual name for a Russian. I guess it is possible the father has the same name but I doubt it.
Monogamy is possible. But I saw it in only two girls out of well over a hundred that I have dated and / or paid. Not a very high percentage. Maybe it is even less common in Ukraine.
The Prime Minister of Ukraine Denis Shmygal predicts the resumption of flights, including international, in June.
"International flights, including international ones, will probably resume in the month of June. But you need to resume communication with those where to fly. You need to understand which countries will also resume flights," Shmygal told ICTV on Monday night.
The prime minister noted that the nearest date when European countries announced the possibility of opening air service is not earlier than June 15.
In addition, the prime minister noted that long-distance ground transportation will be open from the third stage of quarantine exit.
https://interfax.com.ua/news/general/663016.html
This is the final nail in the Coffin, Kiev is done. Time for you guys to move on. There are many destinations that are cheaper and better.Hey DramaFree,
I'm of the same opinion. I had a trip planned to Kiev and L'viv which has been cancelled due to the unpleasantness. When the world opens again, I'm looking for find a new quality place for our hobby (I'm usually in Prague or London).
From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?
PM me if you don't want to bore the thread with details.
Safe mongering!
From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.
He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.YummyPL,
Thanks for the feedback. I've never been to Russia, mainly due to the visa requirements. Is it worth it? Are there other places close by that have similar quality without the visa requirements? I've had decent experience in other places, but I'm looking to expand my horizon as I commonly have a few days to spare whenever I'm in Europe.
YummyPL,
Thanks for the feedback. I've never been to Russia, mainly due to the visa requirements. Is it worth it? Are there other places close by that have similar quality without the visa requirements? I've had decent experience in other places, but I'm looking to expand my horizon as I commonly have a few days to spare whenever I'm in Europe.The main reason Russia is better is exactly because of the visa requirements. It is more difficult to travel there for just sex tourism and it is more difficult for Russian girls to go to Europe to work. Czech Republic is not a bad place. I'm sure you know Germany is filled with FKKs. Poland is really mixed in my experience with some really great ones and some really bad ones. But my experience is four years old. I'm only back in this thread because my work is moving me to Kiev for a year or more so I'm trying to get back in the game. I still expect good things from Ukraine.
DramaFree11
05-20-20, 01:26
He is going to say Russia / Moscow or possibly anywhere in the world besides Ukraine. While I also prefer Russia over Ukraine, DramaFree has some hair up his ass against Ukraine.Correct, Moscow is 1000 times better then Ukraine and yes, the only place that Kiev maybe better then is Rio and parts of Asia. Kiev is the bottom of the barrel. Moscow is not expensive, maybe even cheaper then Ukraine at the moment. Girls so much better in Moscow. Also, you have options that you do not have in Kiev. Online traditional dating, Escorts, and active Night Life. (Pre-Crisis).
Also, you are correct, the Visa is one of the best things about Russia, it keeps out the losers that ruined Ukraine and other destinations. If you want to get scammed Ukraine is the place to go.
Lucky Nuts
05-20-20, 04:51
I would like to hear your opinion about my case and if others have similar experience, I am curious. You can PM if you like. Gunther.I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning. After dinner I slipped her the $100 as agreed fully expecting she would stay. But she told me she never does that on the first meeting. Oh well! I'm still glad I had met her but was surprised she was willing to spend about 8 hours on a bus roundtrip (I could follow her on whatsapp) for $100. Actually I was shocked any hot girl would spend that much time on a bus for $100. But I guess that's the state of affairs in Ukraine.
Lucky Nuts
05-20-20, 05:24
Correct, Moscow is 1000 times better I've been on the fence about visiting St. Pete and Moscow for some time now but think I'll go ahead and apply for the visa and do it on my next trip to that region. But I will also be visiting Kiev again so guess I like it more than some others here. Once you find the private apartments with university girls that speak fluent english it's all good. Paid $100 worth of UAH and insisted they come back to my place which took some convincing but was eventually agreed upon. The hard part is finding those "secret" apartments.
I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning. After dinner I slipped her the $100 as agreed fully expecting she would stay. But she told me she never does that on the first meeting. Oh well! I'm still glad I had met her but was surprised she was willing to spend about 8 hours on a bus roundtrip (I could follow her on whatsapp) for $100. Actually I was shocked any hot girl would spend that much time on a bus for $100. But I guess that's the state of affairs in Ukraine.Was she really where she said? Would a VPN be able to fool Whatapp? Never underestimate the IT capabilities of these girls. You should have offered to pay her ONLY her bus ticket, upon proof o f payment. , both ways, of course. If you hit it off during dinner, then you could have offered a little more.
Hey DramaFree,
I'm of the same opinion. I had a trip planned to Kiev and L'viv which has been cancelled due to the unpleasantness. When the world opens again, I'm looking for find a new quality place for our hobby (I'm usually in Prague or London).
From what I've read, Ukraine seems pretty cheap. Where are these cheaper / better places that you mentioned sir? Where would you direct someone instead of Kiev?
PM me if you don't want to bore the thread with details.
Safe mongering!The difference between Ukraine and other countries is: women are too proud. Money is spent directly. For useless things. The girls live as if they were rich. However, there is no money to pay the next rent or the next taxi. But still they try to squeeze money out of customers.
OK. Not all women are like that. Some men are lucky and the women contacted are not bad. I'm glad I met a lot of these girls too. However, the chance of experiencing a flop is greater in Ukraine than in other countries. It starts with wrong profiles and fake photos. Dates when the girls don't appear. Without a message. Or "I'm coming right away". But 5 hours later she is still not there and the phone is off. If you are in Ukraine for a long time, you get used to it. But if you only go to Ukraine for a few days, you will quickly get annoyed.
I've played our game all over the globe and Ukraine is the only place I did get sort of scammed so be cautious they are both more desperate for cash than most places and more cunning to acquire it. I met a girl on Seeking Arrangement that had model-like drop dead gorgeous pics. So we connected on Whatsapp and she agreed to send more pics to prove real. We negotiated at length our "arrangement". It was difficult because she lived several hours outside of Kiev where I was. After teaching her how to use whatsapp "live location" to verify she did in fact live hours away from Kiev we agreed I pay her $100 to make the trip and have dinner with me. As an aside the Last Barricade Restaurant is a must visit if you enjoy great theme restaurants. This theme being Ukraine's freedom from Russia's control. Request the tour. Great ambiance and excellent food too at very reasonable prices. We had an awesome date so to speak. The deal was that if all went well I would pay $100 more for her to stay overnight with me and bus home in the morning...Interesting. The mindset of my girl is probably fixed on the fact that I paid her a sort of alimony without any active contribution from her. Her (almost) only contribution was photos and videos she kept sending me as signals that she was happy with all the attention she got from me. Maybe not so direct lies, when she assured me that I was the only contact from Mamba that she met or written to. But she must have interpreted my relatively generous lack of demands as her liberty to let go of the monogamous life I was steering her to. And she let me believe she agreed to. Besides the piercing of clit, I had persuaded her to stop shaving, which she hated, but surrendered to, as a signal of her adherance. I know, it is a bit creepy to some, but I like natural looks.
Kiev girls may need a stronger hand than I used, and the same applies to your girl when you slipped her the 100 dollar bill and not getting her confirmation that there was a mutual understanding. Why did she not tell you from the start that there was a special rule for first date? Did she invent it as she saw the opportunity? As you implicate, they are often more street wise than we, and read us well, especially when we don't have the language. I fully understand Koserog's logic and approve of it, but in our selfish efforts to keep some girl for us alone we also must take notice of individual character and intentions. I picked my girl partly because of her child, which she seems to protect like a lioness, but makes her more receptive to a submissive status with a foreign guy, who is considering to settle down in Kiev for some years to come. I am still open to rescue some part of my dream, but other girls are already under my arentgen-eye!
Any field reports at this time?
I would love to see some old timers here who have migrated to Kiev and are well-immersed in the game to come out and tell us how much they are enjoying the current situation.
Was she really where she said? Would a VPN be able to fool Whatapp? Never underestimate the IT capabilities of these girls. You should have offered to pay her ONLY her bus ticket, upon proof o f payment. , both ways, of course. If you hit it off during dinner, then you could have offered a little more.Showing WhatsApp location as proof is not a new scam by hookers. There are many apps which can spoof WhatsApp live location, and it's just couple of button clicks away.
Lucky Nuts
05-22-20, 04:01
Showing WhatsApp location as proof is not a new scam by hookers. There are many apps which can spoof WhatsApp live location, and it's just couple of button clicks away.I was able to watch her journey from her town to Kiev so I think it was actual. But yeah I was naive to agree to pay that much just for the date. Still learning hard lessons LOL.
I was able to watch her journey from her town to Kiev so I think it was actual. But yeah I was naive to agree to pay that much just for the date. Still learning hard lessons LOL.We all had bad experiences with hooker and it's best to learn from it. Mine first experience as far as I can remember was full of crap.
One of my first experience with WG was years ago, seems like decades tho. It was a trainwreck. I met this girl on some escort site and exchanged contacts. She sent me couple of her pics and they looked hot. So I booked a room, asked her to come. We decided for 2 shots. She came and she looked way better than pics. Way hotter with tight curves and ready to be fucked. Now it was my first time with WG, so lot of things I did stupidly. Before even doing anything I asked how about we extend our meeting for whole night. WTF yes I know. She agreed and asked for full amount. Guess what, I gave her. Now she started rubbing my dick and I leaned in to kiss her. She moved away, and said, no kissing. LOL. Now I already asked for DFK, and she said she provides GFE. And now she said no kissing. If this has happened this or last decade, first of all I would not have given any money in advance and I would have kicked her out for turning and trying to rip me. But back then, I went ahead. Obviously she got the whole amount and she was in no mood to please me. So it was as mechanical as possible, and she wasn't even smiling when I was putting my dick in her. I couldn't come and asked her to leave. Which she did enthusiastically. Now like I said, trainwreck. But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.
But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.Some lessons are learned the hard way. Anyone that has been doing this a long time in various parts of the world has learned some hard lessons.
John Corey
05-24-20, 12:22
We all had bad experiences with hooker and it's best to learn from it. Mine first experience as far as I can remember was full of crap.
One of my first experience with WG was years ago, seems like decades tho. It was a trainwreck. I met this girl on some escort site and exchanged contacts. She sent me couple of her pics and they looked hot. So I booked a room, asked her to come. We decided for 2 shots. She came and she looked way better than pics. Way hotter with tight curves and ready to be fucked. Now it was my first time with WG, so lot of things I did stupidly. Before even doing anything I asked how about we extend our meeting for whole night. WTF yes I know. She agreed and asked for full amount. Guess what, I gave her. Now she started rubbing my dick and I leaned in to kiss her. She moved away, and said, no kissing. LOL. Now I already asked for DFK, and she said she provides GFE. And now she said no kissing. If this has happened this or last decade, first of all I would not have given any money in advance and I would have kicked her out for turning and trying to rip me. But back then, I went ahead. Obviously she got the whole amount and she was in no mood to please me. So it was as mechanical as possible, and she wasn't even smiling when I was putting my dick in her. I couldn't come and asked her to leave. Which she did enthusiastically. Now like I said, trainwreck. But that was only time when some encounter went this bad.As with many others I too have had some not so pleasant experiences while mongering, we learn from our mistakes and move on and sometimes we repeat our mistakes, which is fine. Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.
DramaFree11
05-24-20, 16:02
As with many others I too have had some not so pleasant experiences while mongering, we learn from our mistakes and move on and sometimes we repeat our mistakes, which is fine. Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.Well said, I could not agree more. Unfortunately this is what Kiev has become.
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Ukrainian women are specially notorious for all kind of scams, needless to say I have been scammed by them a few times in my encounters. The last time was earlier this year by a student, an independent who I had been traveling with around the globe and seeing for a year. I also feel their beauty is exaggerated and they are not as attractive as their Russian counterparts, then again, beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. I find them cold and manipulative and have vowed to avoid them.Kiev vs Moscow or St Petersburg is always a hot topic on this thread. I have travelled both places as a tourist for a short time, and yes Russia was easier for me to find girls. Attitude wise too. I think the reason for that is options, Kiev just doesn't have that many options. Saying that, Both Kiev and Moscow were on list to travel this year, but don't know when I will visit there now. And how covid19 will change the scene?
Kiev vs Moscow or St Petersburg is always a hot topic on this thread.Moscow was once the most expensive city in Europe and those days could easily return. So if you develop a good set of contacts in Moscow now, it might be too expensive to visit those contacts in the future. There's also the possibility of another cold war between Russia and west, so that travel there becomes very difficult. Whereas Kyiv will likely be poor relative to western Europe for the next 50 years, and always open to westerners as allies against Russia. As for Petersburg, weather is terrible.
Think of Kyiv as a bargain market or yard sale: mostly overpriced junk, but with occasional underpriced jewels to be found by those with plenty of time and patience.
DramaFree11
05-25-20, 13:21
Moscow was once the most expensive city in Europe and those days could easily return. So if you develop a good set of contacts in Moscow now, it might be too expensive to visit those contacts in the future. There's also the possibility of another cold war between Russia and west, so that travel there becomes very difficult. Whereas Kyiv will likely be poor relative to western Europe for the next 50 years, and always open to westerners as allies against Russia. As for Petersburg, weather is terrible.
Think of Kyiv as a bargain market or yard sale: mostly overpriced junk, but with occasional underpriced jewels to be found by those with plenty of time and patience.As many things on the Kiev thread are just not true. Here is another example. Moscow has been dirt cheap for a long time. I have given many examples of this. Simply not true about being expensive, you can read my reports.
Moscow will remain cheap as long as gas prices stay low and the financial crisis continues.
As far as the girls there is no comparison Moscow is way better.
Kiev is waste of time and resources. Definitely not a bargain.
Since the slow opening after corona I have been receiving plenty of contacts from girlfriends in ukraine, dubai, doha, bucharest pleading for financial help, it is right time for deals long term or short term, for details / contacts pm me.
PhotoSlider
05-27-20, 06:16
Think of Kyiv as a bargain market or yard sale: mostly overpriced junk, but with occasional underpriced jewels to be found by those with plenty of time and patience.Precisely! Some of the Forum members went through this yard sale and bought fakes. I had my share of garbage to discard eventually or ignore from the very beginning. But very few locations on this Planet delivered the pleasure and happiness I experienced with Kiev girls. Those rare ones are indeed diamonds, emeralds, sapphires and rubies to cherish and keep close. It reminds of gold panning, searching for larger nuggets.
During these interesting times I am in constant remote contact with at least 9 ladies in Kiev. Understandably they are on their best behavior ever! In fact some of the newly discovered species feel like totally out of my reach, yet communication level is strong, and the usual indicators point beyond the simple flirt. Wish I was there physically, not only to take them, but also enjoy it beyond the bed.
The time since the last visit helped to solidify my philosophy. I eventually understood that none of those in my Harem are my GFs or SOs. Some of those girls, even the best ones, I readily shared with respected members of this Forum, and felt no jealousy. Had none of that deceiving desire to possess them exclusively for my own enjoyment!
With other girls I was more protective, and it truly helped to understand that I am myself definitely not a monogamous person, not even at the stretch of any given 24 hours. And likewise, when one of my concubines diversified elsewhere, I didn't feel betrayed. On the contrary, I was happy to go to the next one, and almost pushed some of them away, in the sense that I treated them with respect, but refused to compete for their attention. Makes it so much more fun to be chased after by some of the beauties.
Staying in Kiev for weeks and months certainly improved the chances of identifying, extracting and keeping those rare finds for further use. Having a few of them available in parallel helps to pay only after the service has been delivered, and undertaking none of those futile efforts to prepay remotely and attempting to keep the girls fidelity to myself. I am not faithful to any of them, and if I am away for more than a month, then every decent girl needs a good fuck. Same as we boys do. Maybe an average Ukrainian girl likes fucking even more than the average monger, so it is only natural that as long as she is beautiful and feminine enough, for money or for free, she will find the suitor.
Therefore I am not prepaying, and definitely not spying on Instagram to see if she has other BF or few. The ultimate truth is in having the girl in my arms, and feeling her sincere desire. The rest is irrelevant.
Booked flight for End of August for Kiev.
Knowing that most likely there will be many restrictions in place still. But I took a chance and have something to look forward for the coming months. This time I think bars and clubs might be dull in Kiev because of lack of tourists and hence girls looking for them.
PhotoSlider
05-27-20, 22:04
...Therefore I am not prepaying, and definitely not spying on Instagram to see if she has other BF or few. The ultimate truth is in having the girl in my arms, and feeling her sincere desire...At the same time I did pay substantial amounts to certain Ukrainian ladies upon their departure before my leaving for the airport. My thinking was similar to Kozerog's. It was a bonus for quality services provided. No obligations were imposed. Making sure I am perceived as a trustworthy candidate for visits in the future. At the same time I didn't request any promises, or assurances of my exclusive right to their resources.
And likewise, any charity directed at Ukrainian ladies should be considered as funds that you will never see. Frequently the immediate "thank you so much" will be the only gratitude. If you are wealthy enough to be such a philanthropist, and do not expect anything in return, then there will be no hurt feelings. In fact by not accusing the Ukrainian lady in infidelity, and giving her sufficient freedom ensures she'll be more inclined to continue meeting with you. At least this is the case in my circle.
Sure there are scammers in Kiev. Certain types attract them more than others. And it's fun to see the tricks scammers attempt, how bewildered and frenzied they become when their elaborate schemes do not work out)). But as Kozerog said: "The seeker shall find". Pure jewels are out there, and new ones are discovered every time I go to Kiev.
Ukraine wants to open the borders to foreigners. A quarantine of two weeks is mandatory. During this time it is not possible to leave the country. This makes weekend trips impossible.
At the moment this means: The quarantine must be spent in a closed apartment. It is not allowed to leave the building. You cannot go to the supermarket or to a restaurant. An app must be installed on the phone upon arrival. A Ukrainian phone number is mandatory. The location is constantly localized. The police visit you unannounced. In addition, calls several times a day to take a picture of yourself and the area. Or you have to go to the window and show yourself. If you do not respond within 15 minutes or break the quarantine, a penalty will be ordered. Between 600 and 4000 dollars (not hryvnia).
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/news/2020/05/29/7110504/
A quarantine of two weeks is mandatory. These rules will likely be relaxed by July. I took the risk and made my new flight reservation for July 4.
It was a bonus for quality services provided. No obligations were imposed. Making sure I am perceived as a trustworthy candidate for visits in the future. Yes, any bonus should be "no strings attached", but of course there is implied reciprocation. It's the same in business. If you have a high-performing employee, you have 3 choices: 1) pay normal salary and risk losing employee to someone else or negatively affecting employee's motivation; 2) raise employee salary; 3) pay normal salary plus end-of-year bonus. Option 3 requires employee to trust you, but if you honor that trust by paying bonus as expected, you earn more trust. Also, option 3 is often cheaper in the long run than option 2, for equivalent results. Finally, option 3 obviously is lower risk for employer compared to option 2, since no bonus if employee leaves mid-year. Bonus is earned during year, so you can't complain if employee leaves immediately after receiving bonus, any more than you can complain if employee leaves after receiving pay increase. Maybe you didn't offer enough bonus / pay increase, or maybe no amount of money would be enough to retain the employee.
BigthDikth
05-31-20, 00:48
I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?
My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).
DramaFree11
05-31-20, 02:02
I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?
My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).Correct about the most of the beautiful girls left the country 3-5 years ago. 600 Grv, will not work, unless you have not standards. $75-150 per session. Not cheap anymore and the hot girls are long gone. 6's are available, but not for little money, complete myth.
PhotoSlider
05-31-20, 22:36
Any field reports at this time?
I would love to see some old timers here who have migrated to Kiev and are well-immersed in the game to come out and tell us how much they are enjoying the current situation.Close friend of mine is a resident of Kiev and well-traveled gentleman. After self-imposed quarantine he came out of dungeon last week and sampled the offerings. Price went slightly down, selection is abundant, attitude and desire to please the customer is strong. He sent the pictures he took himself, and Kiev girls in May are as beautiful and satisfying as ever.
He got the phone number of the agency girl easily and engaged in extra curriculum activities with the beauty after the first visit.
Obviously this is not for over-the-weekend trip, not even for a few weeks visit, but rather for a person who can stay for a long period, preferably with good verbal skills in the local language.
PhotoSlider
05-31-20, 23:09
I lived in ukraine a while ago and was thinking of coming back. I translated to russian "prostitute Kiev hryvnia" and googled it and got sites that offer beautiful women for 600 and up for an hour. Are those adds real?
My friend told me that most of the beautiful girls left the country. We both were living there years ago when it was easy pickings)).Do not look at website. Those pictures are static, and most likely fake. Real action is in Viber and WhatsApp, or in the streets.
600 UAH was possible when hryvnia was at 8 per one dollar. For a few years now 600 UAH undertakers are an equivalent of drug addicts doing bare back blow jobs at semi trailer truck stops.
At the same time today's chances of getting a beautiful well-mannered girl rated above 8 for 1500-2000 UAH an hour are definitely higher than 50%. I see in my Viber that all the agencies I used while in Kiev are active. Girls need to pay rent and have cash for other expenses. Besides all those beauties that traveled internationally are now confined to the tight quarters of their own or parents in remote towns and villages, editing their Instagram selfies and shit.
Rumors of Kiev demise are greatly exaggerated. But there are certain obstacles, like catching corona from a friendly young lady. Unlike flu, a person infected with corona becomes contagious right away, and may stay without symptoms for at least 5 days, frequently much longer. The jury is still out on the subject. Simply measuring body temperature and looking for cough / sneeze does nothing. Glad to see that Sorbona's gamble worked out and he is on Forum after his recent endeavor into Kiev. Not sure how less risky was my own rapid fire fucking with dozens and dozens of Ukrainian hotties performing BBBJ, DFK and DATY.
This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:
https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-soobschil-kogda-ukraina-vosstanovit-aviasoobschenie-i-kuda-mozhno-budet-poletet-1557393.html
Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.
What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.
Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.
Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity. You may get a negative result back from the test while waiting and then a few days later, you have the full-blown symptoms of the virus.
This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:
https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-soobschil-kogda-ukraina-vosstanovit-aviasoobschenie-i-kuda-mozhno-budet-poletet-1557393.html
Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.
What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.
Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.
Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity.These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.
Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.
DramaFree11
06-01-20, 15:25
This is the latest report today from the Infrastructure Minister regarding flights to / from Ukraine:
https://tsn.ua/ru/ukrayina/krikliy-soobschil-kogda-ukraina-vosstanovit-aviasoobschenie-i-kuda-mozhno-budet-poletet-1557393.html
Briefly, flights to and from Turkey, Cyprus, Greece and Georgia will tentatively begin on June 15. As for Spain and Italy, no decision has been made at this time.
What is of interest is that instead of a two week quarantine, they will give everyone who arrives a Covid-19 test. Everyone will have to wait for the results of the test which can take 3-4 hours. If the test is negative, you are free to leave the terminal. If it is positive, they make no mention of what will be done with you.
Anyway you look at it, this will result in chaos. How they are going to maintain order and keep those possible thousands of people in a comfortable environment with food and drink along with other necessities such as toilets for that period of time has not been addressed. We'll see if this plan gets shot down and what the next possible plan will be. More details will be coming out during this week.
Crazy plan, not even thought out. With several hundred or even a thousand people kept in a confined area for four hours at a minimum, someone with the virus may well spread it to others during that time. This plan is total insanity. You may get a negative result back from the test while waiting and then a few days later, you have the full-blown symptoms of the virus.You need to be careful you do not want to be in some crazy data plan. It is receipt for disaster. What happens if you actually test positive in country, then you are real stuck and they can make your life a living hell.
These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.
Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.There are already flights planed in.
Wiszz plan start 16 or 17, check their website.
The big Question now is, will turist be allowed in or only Ukrainians, and people with permissions (I'm one of these and came here in March after borders was closed).
If they stick to the rule of test, then there is plenty of space in the airport.
Borispol have 2 terminals and the old one is the one operating right now, and the new one is closed down but if reopened there is enough space before passport control to host at least 1000 people seated with space between them in smaller groups.
Close friend of mine is a resident of Kiev and well-traveled gentleman. After self-imposed quarantine he came out of dungeon last week and sampled the offerings. Price went slightly down, selection is abundant, attitude and desire to please the customer is strong. He sent the pictures he took himself, and Kiev girls in May are as beautiful and satisfying as ever.
He got the phone number of the agency girl easily and engaged in extra curriculum activities with the beauty after the first visit.
Obviously this is not for over-the-weekend trip, not even for a few weeks visit, but rather for a person who can stay for a long period, preferably with good verbal skills in the local language.I can confirm this also, there is a lack of customers and girls are in need of cash and they are available for much less then before.
My chat app where I speak with different girls I know are with new messages every day, even some old contacts that I never expected to hear from again write if I'm in Kiev and want to meet.
Even one girl where it ended badly with, totally my fault so didn't have any expectations to her writing, but she wrote because she also are in deep need of cash.
These are tourist charter flights. No scheduled flights. The corona tests that are taken at the airport are about Ukrainians who come back home.
Such flights cannot be bought by foreigners to fly to Ukraine for a few days + It doesn't work with thousands of people on scheduled flights. There is no waiting space for this at the airport.No, you are wrong. Read the article again, carefully. The headline states REGULAR scheduled air traffic will start June 15 and these so-called rules will possibly apply to those who will be inward bound.
Right now, and until that date, there are only repatriation flights outbound and inbound. After that date, airlines are already selling tickets for scheduled flights. But, more importantly, they do not know if they will actually happen, a nice con game to keep your money by then issuing you a voucher instead of a refund to help their cash flow if flights are then cancelled.
The interview was with the Minister for Infrastructure and he will be the one to finally decide on opening the flights to and from Ukraine and how and when they will exactly happen.
And I agree, there is no room at any of the airports to hold several hundred or thousand people awaiting test results for four or more hours after arrival either at passport control or luggage pickup. There will be riots if that is the case.
No, you are wrong. Read the article again, carefully. The headline states REGULAR scheduled air traffic will start June 15 and these so-called rules will possibly apply to those who will be inward bound.
Right now, and until that date, there are only repatriation flights outbound and inbound. After that date, airlines are already selling tickets for scheduled flights. But, more importantly, they do not know if they will actually happen, a nice con game to keep your money by then issuing you a voucher instead of a refund to help their cash flow if flights are then cancelled.
The interview was with the Minister for Infrastructure and he will be the one to finally decide on opening the flights to and from Ukraine and how and when they will exactly happen.
And I agree, there is no room at any of the airports to hold several hundred or thousand people awaiting test results for four or more hours after arrival either at passport control or luggage pickup. There will be riots if that is the case.When have you last been in the borispol airport?
There are plenty of space there especially if they use both terminals.
They could easy handl 1000 people divided up in both 2 arriving terminals.
They could even in the main terminal use the lower level d10-16 as I remember.
That area alone can easy handle at least 300 people in sections.
I understand that lots of land border crossings are now open. Anyone want to test out driving to Kiev and report back?
I'd be happy if they weren't allowing tourists in. I have a long-stay work visa. But that is just me being selfish.
Simply measuring body temperature and looking for cough / sneeze does nothing. Nothing? It would reduce the chance of getting infected if I made her leave if she was coughing sneezing and / or had high body temperature. Obviously that was the idea.
PhotoSlider
06-02-20, 01:26
Nothing? It would reduce the chance of getting infected if I made her leave if she was coughing sneezing and / or had high body temperature. Obviously that was the idea.My apologies for making mistake.
I didn't try to say you did wrong. You use precise terminology, reduce not eliminate. It was calculated risk on your side, and I definitely respect that. I am sincerely glad it worked out for you beautifully. Wish I was there with one of my own.
As I said, perhaps upon arrival to Kiev in August 2019, and many trips before that, I took a similar or even greater risk by having multiple girls day after day. While vaginal sex was protected, DFK and DATY and BBBJ represent sufficient exposure. As my Kiev friend mentioned, he knows there were recent cases of syphilis and other rather unpleasant diseases in the city.
Actually one of the beautiful ladies that keeps bombarding me with Viber messages states she had corona in March. She didn't test, but all the symptoms were present. She was one of my true favorites. Now I hear that it may stay contagious long after the symptoms are gone. Not that my immune system is compromised or anything, but now I have doubts about meeting her.
PhotoSlider
06-02-20, 02:27
Yes, any bonus should be "no strings attached", but of course there is implied reciprocation. It's the same in business. If you have a high-performing employee, you have 3 choices: 1) pay normal salary and risk losing employee to someone else or negatively affecting employee's motivation; 2) raise employee salary; 3) pay normal salary plus end-of-year bonus. Option 3 requires employee to trust you, but if you honor that trust by paying bonus as expected, you earn more trust. Also, option 3 is often cheaper in the long run than option 2, for equivalent results. Finally, option 3 obviously is lower risk for employer compared to option 2, since no bonus if employee leaves mid-year. Bonus is earned during year, so you can't complain if employee leaves immediately after receiving bonus, any more than you can complain if employee leaves after receiving pay increase. Maybe you didn't offer enough bonus / pay increase, or maybe no amount of money would be enough to retain the employee.Perfect explanation of a healthy employer-employee or customer-vendor business partnership!
I lost some good providers by refusing to raise their rate per visit. I especially do not like a direct request incoming from the girl. My thinking is the same. If she is great, I will gladly pay her a bonus myself when I feel the time is right, but please do not force me. And any attempts to explain why she needs more money usually result in her becoming progressively less happy, and leaving on her own or dismissal.
If she is so sure that she can make more than I pay, then go ahead and make it elsewhere. No reason to keep an unhappy provider going through the motions, while there's a waiting list of females eager to participate in redistribution of my wealth into their pockets and purses.
The top earner in my harem is the girl that constantly controls and limits my spending on her. Go figure!
Did I ever regret losing the great ones? You bet! But in Kiev regrets are cured and wounds are healed by applying tried and true medication. Another beauty or two. And more frequently than not those are available. Market is sufficiently saturated.
To me Ukrainian girls remind ETFs. Exchange Traded Funds. Financial climate changes from "winter" to "spring" and "summer", from bear market back to bulls. Likewise when River Palace was towed away, WhatsApp and Viber materialized, then I learned about GIA, then much more affordable strategy with consolidation agency has been identified, then Instagram became omnipresent. And the same product (girls) is marketed, packaged and sold through more and more new offerings.
Allocating my attention into multiple investments (girls) helps to ride out local and global storms without paying too much attention to performance of individual ETF components. I do trade with close friends, and some of the girls are equivalent of stable "money market fund" - reliable, easily accessible liquidity. Some beauties remind me aggressive risky stock investments. Return can be great, but the road is frequently bumpy and the girl is high maintenance. Other ladies can be not as marvelous, but I go to their watering well when everything else is dry. Analogies are rich.
I understand that lots of land border crossings are now open. Anyone want to test out driving to Kiev and report back?
I'd be happy if they weren't allowing tourists in. I have a long-stay work visa. But that is just me being selfish.The two-week quarantine is still valid. After entering the country, you have to stay in an apartment for two weeks. Supermarket or restaurant? Forbidden. You cannot leave the country in the two weeks. Otherwise: penalty.
While they maintain 14 days carantine, is not a sense to travel there.
When have you last been in the borispol airport?
There are plenty of space there especially if they use both terminals.
They could easy handl 1000 people divided up in both 2 arriving terminals.
They could even in the main terminal use the lower level d10-16 as I remember.
That area alone can easy handle at least 300 people in sections.A corona test for all passengers takes up a lot of space. This place is not available in Kiev. The departure areas cannot be converted into an arrival and stay area. This is impossible in a short time and costs a lot of money.
It's not not about 300 or 1000 tests. Borispol had 22,000 passengers a day last year. In summer up to 50,000 passengers a day. A test must be done conscientiously. There must be no contamination or confusion. Personnel are required for the test acceptance. Test evaluation staff. In-between cleaning staff. A total of approx. 200 people for 10,000 tests a day. In two weeks, you won't be able to recruit, train, and install the entire testing mechanism. From next year: no problem. This month? Impossible. This is the half-baked plan of politicians.
No, you are wrong. Read the article again, carefully. The headline states REGULAR scheduled air traffic will start June 15 and these so-called rules will possibly apply to those who will be inward bound.
Right now, and until that date, there are only repatriation flights outbound and inbound. After that date, airlines are already selling tickets for scheduled flights. But, more importantly, they do not know if they will actually happen, a nice con game to keep your money by then issuing you a voucher instead of a refund to help their cash flow if flights are then cancelled.
The interview was with the Minister for Infrastructure and he will be the one to finally decide on opening the flights to and from Ukraine and how and when they will exactly happen.
And I agree, there is no room at any of the airports to hold several hundred or thousand people awaiting test results for four or more hours after arrival either at passport control or luggage pickup. There will be riots if that is the case.With Wizz Air you can buy "Wizz Flex" and change your flights easily.
Just a thought, but maybe they can set up canopies somewhere outside the terminals as waiting area for the virus tests. It won't be too cold and wind is welcome. I mean, if the minister said so, he should have some valid way to do so.
The two-week quarantine is still valid. After entering the country, you have to stay in an apartment for two weeks. Supermarket or restaurant? Forbidden. You cannot leave the country in the two weeks. Otherwise: penalty.I was basically stuck in my house for two months at home. Order food delivered, work from home, continue language lessons. The weather will be nice. I can work from my balcony.
With Wizz Air you can buy "Wizz Flex" and change your flights easily.
Just a thought, but maybe they can set up canopies somewhere outside the terminals as waiting area for the virus tests. It won't be too cold and wind is welcome. I mean, if the minister said so, he should have some valid way to do so.A month ago, the minister didn't want to let Ukrainians out of the country. At least until a vaccine is found. Ukrainians should spend the summer vacation in Ukraine. Half a million jobs should be created.
What is left of the plans? Nothing.
You can't do millions of virus tests. Logistically impossible. The ministers in Greece and Turkey have already seen this. That is why tourists will soon be allowed into the country without a test.
A virus test must be done professionally. It takes more time than passport control. An airplane is coming. The next plane. The next plane. Twenty, thirty, a hundred planes a day. The passengers have to wait. There is no space in the terminal on days with a lot of traffic. Now people have to keep their distance. Do you want to set up tents? Recruit medical personnel. Buy test equipment?
What I think? Neither comes, or: At the end, a quick, unsafe self-test is introduced. Which the passengers carry out themselves. Five minutes later, a doctor looks at the result and collects $ 100. That's Ukraine.
A month ago, the minister didn't want to let Ukrainians out of the country. At least until a vaccine is found. Ukrainians should spend the summer vacation in Ukraine. Half a million jobs should be created.
What is left of the plans? Nothing.
You can't do millions of virus tests. Logistically impossible. The ministers in Greece and Turkey have already seen this. That is why tourists will soon be allowed into the country without a test.
A virus test must be done professionally. It takes more time than passport control. An airplane is coming. The next plane. The next plane. Twenty, thirty, a hundred planes a day. The passengers have to wait. There is no space in the terminal on days with a lot of traffic. Now people have to keep their distance. Do you want to set up tents? Recruit medical personnel. Buy test equipment?
What I think? Neither comes, or: At the end, a quick, unsafe self-test is introduced. Which the passengers carry out themselves. Five minutes later, a doctor looks at the result and collects $ 100. That's Ukraine.I need to correct you.
Your totally wrong.
Borispol Airport have 3 terminals.
Terminal the which is the big one which is pretty big and in 2 levels.
Terminal F which is divided in Arriving and departing terminals.
If all 3 are in use then there would be enough space for test at least couple of 1000 people a day.
I'm not saying they could test 30.000 people a day but how many people do we think will fly there anyway at the start.
There are plenty of nurses in Ukraine who can make a Covid19 rapid test, which is what they do in many airports, and then still let you register on the App.
So its not as impossible as you say it is.
If they will do it, probably not, but they will test people with symptoms I'm sure.
So again this is technically possible, but would be stupid and waste of money.
Just do like Estonia, set an number that a country have to be under and then let people in, update the number 1 time a week and then people know if they can come.
Could be expanded to that everyone that have a test that is less then 48 hours old would not be in quranteen and everyone who not have and not want to buy one will need 7-14 days.
A month ago, the minister didn't want to let Ukrainians out of the country. At least until a vaccine is found. Ukrainians should spend the summer vacation in Ukraine. Half a million jobs should be created.
What is left of the plans? Nothing.
You can't do millions of virus tests. Logistically impossible. The ministers in Greece and Turkey have already seen this. That is why tourists will soon be allowed into the country without a test.
A virus test must be done professionally. It takes more time than passport control. An airplane is coming. The next plane. The next plane. Twenty, thirty, a hundred planes a day. The passengers have to wait. There is no space in the terminal on days with a lot of traffic. Now people have to keep their distance. Do you want to set up tents? Recruit medical personnel. Buy test equipment?
What I think? Neither comes, or: At the end, a quick, unsafe self-test is introduced. Which the passengers carry out themselves. Five minutes later, a doctor looks at the result and collects $ 100. That's Ukraine.Agreed.
True, Ukrainians should take vacations in Ukraine. But unfortunately I hear there are no more nice beaches in Ukraine. Beaches in Odessa are "infested" with seaweeds due to global warming.
And I guess when Turkey opens border to Ukrainians, the Ukrainian government can't say you can't go there. I believe Greece has not included Ukraine in the countries to which they will open border on June 15, but Wizz Air is already selling tickets from Kiev to Greece after June 15.
BTW, according to my US friend in Japan they have been doing virus tests at the Tokyo airport ever since March. There are several hours of waiting at the airport to get tested. It takes two days to get the results. So then they move everybody to nearby hotels for 2 days, with food provided, for free. Then the positive incomers are sent to hospitals and the negative incomers still have to quarantine themselves for the next 12 days at their own cost (I don't know the reason for this 12 days quarantine). But I'm not sure how many people are coming to Japan everyday. Not many. The flights between Japan and the USA has been reduced, but there are some everyday ever since March.
I also heard in Russia that they did tests at airports in March and put the incomers not at hotels but at hostels! I'm not sure if they are still doing this today.
PhotoSlider
06-05-20, 03:08
...BTW, according to my US friend in Japan they have been doing virus tests at the Tokyo airport ever since March. There are several hours of waiting at the airport to get tested. It takes two days to get the results. So then they move everybody to nearby hotels for 2 days, with food provided, for free. Then the positive incomers are sent to hospitals and the negative incomers still have to quarantine themselves for the next 12 days at their own cost (I don't know the reason for this 12 days quarantine)...AFAIK, there are 2 categories of COVID tests. PCR and Antibodies. Doctors and educated Scientists feel free to correct me please.
Just like HIV, Ebola, SARS, MERS, etc. , COVID is RNA virus.
PCR tries to match viral RNA fragment. For many reasons PCR tests may result in false negatives, such is the nature of PCR.
One reason is mutations in viral RNA. Another reason is test sensitivity, what concentration can it detect. Russian tests were about 100 times less sensitive in March, and missed a lot.
Tests for antibodies may detect different types of antibodies.
Two most important types are IgM and IgG.
IgM indicates that the person has been recently infected, and the immune system started ramping up, producing to the best of its ability response specific for this infection to fight it.
IgG indicates that the person had been vaccinated (in case of well known infectious diseases, such as Hep A or B), or had been sick in the past, overcame the sickness, and his immune system is now much better prepared to fight the sickness upon encountering it again. A person vaccinated in the past typically has much lower concentration of IgG, which only so-called quantitative test can catch. Recently recovered or fully blown case has significantly higher IgG count, and even express or qualitative test can detect it.
Do IgG antibodies work reliably against COVID is not known yet. It is not clear if COVID survivor may get reinfected.
Israel has separate COVID tests for IgM and IgG antibodies.
Not sure what test they do in Japan. But both PCR and Antibodies may not catch it in the beginning (false negative), and yet provide a true positive 12 days later. Japanese healthcare is good.
Now, to increase testing performance, labs may pool testing samples. For example HIV testing these days routinely mixes samples of multiple persons.
For example 10 candidates come into the lab to have their blood drawn for HIV tests. Every single candidate has his blood drawn twice, or rather split into 2 identical samples. A and be. Then 10 A samples are mixed together and tested once. If the result is negative all 10 are free to go. If it is positive, then 10 secondary samples are tested individually.
There is a compromise for an optimal number of candidates in the pool to make it beneficial for large data sets, let's say during a regular day at the large airport.
Bottom line, they can speed it up, but even if you are not sick and happen to be pooled with an unfortunate one, then it may take twice as long.
Female friend of mine in Kiev says that test can be done at the departure location. 100-150 euro. At the departure airport or at the clinic one day before the departure.
I concur with MisterXXX, even with the best of intentions Ukrainians will fuck it up.
There was a video in March 2020 of UA National Guard trying to hold arriving Ukrainian citizens at Borispyl, and passengers disregarding any orders and precautions leaving on Uber, Yandex, Uklon, their friends and family transportation.
I've been aware that Gia has been in business all through corona. But just wondered how it has been possible. Is this an underground business where government doesn't bother?
I usually live peacefully in a city one-two hours outside Kiev, but I often went through Kiev when I went in and out of Ukraine before corona.
One of the girls in Kiev used to come out to my city for 3000 UAH overnight, but another girl previously asked for additional 3000 UAH for her to come out to my city, so I had never invited this girl before.
But she contacted me recently and agreed to come out without any addition, so she was here a few nights ago.
I guess, just like many of us, she had to expand her horizon to survive in this era.
Entry into Ukraine is possible again from Monday. Even for foreigners.
However, some citizens must be quarantined for two weeks. The exact list of non-quarantined states will be announced soon.
Have a look at:
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/rus/news/2020/06/12/7111049/
PhotoSlider
06-13-20, 06:55
Entry into Ukraine is possible again from Monday. Even for foreigners.
However, some citizens must be quarantined for two weeks. The exact list of non-quarantined states will be announced soon.
Have a look at:
https://www.eurointegration.com.ua/rus/news/2020/06/12/7111049/Would be interesting to see the list of countries that are considered low and separately high risk.
Low risk must be PRC, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia.
High risk, logically speaking every country in North and South America. Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Iran, Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sweden.
Perhaps Ukrainian government has its own ideas, as it needs money, and there were talks about not requiring visas for citizen of China and India.
Another report stated the requirement of having the health insurance covering COVID treatment. It should be provided upon arrival. I suspect there might be a way to buy such an insurance at the airport.
Would be interesting to see the list of countries that are considered low and separately high risk.
Low risk must be PRC, South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia.
High risk, logically speaking every country in North and South America. Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Iran, Pakistan, India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Sweden.
Perhaps Ukrainian government has its own ideas, as it needs money, and there were talks about not requiring visas for citizen of China and India.
Another report stated the requirement of having the health insurance covering COVID treatment. It should be provided upon arrival. I suspect there might be a way to buy such an insurance at the airport.Here is the very latest update from the Minister of Health, as of this morning. https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4240509-zapusk-avyasoobschenyia-moz-razdelyl-strany-na-dve-zony.
In short, all arriving passengers will be placed into two categories, a red zone and a green zone. The Red Zone is based on those countries whose epidemiological situation is worse than Ukraine, the Green Zone, naturally, is where the virus situation is less severe than in Ukraine. Those from Red Zone countries will be forced to self-isolate for two weeks or they might be placed under observation. Those from Green Zone countries are free to leave the airport and need not self-isolate. It does not matter where a Red or Green Zone traveler is coming from, it will be based on their passport. For example, if the USA is placed in the Red Zone and an American is coming from New Zealand, where the virus supposedly has been eradicated, then the American will have to self-isolate.
Also, all arrivals must show a health insurance policy that will cover them in case they are hospitalized for any reason whatsoever in Ukraine. So far no word if such policies will be available upon arrival but assume for the moment that they are not until there is further word on the issue.
The health insurance policy was a requirement and you had to buy these policies upon arrival years ago when the visa system was still in effect. Corporate and government greed may win out and there may be tables to buy policies before you go to passport control, if they suddenly decide institute this procedure. That would mean at least two long lines before you get your luggage and who knows what else they will think up to make matters worse.
Red and Green country lists will be issued soon. And as always with Ukraine, all of this is subject to change without notice. And how they will enforce the self-isolation or observation has also not been defined. More to come.
Here is the very latest update from the Minister of Health, as of this morning. https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4240509-zapusk-avyasoobschenyia-moz-razdelyl-strany-na-dve-zony.
In short, all arriving passengers will be placed into two categories, a red zone and a green zone. The Red Zone is based on those countries whose epidemiological situation is worse than Ukraine, the Green Zone, naturally, is where the virus situation is less severe than in Ukraine. Those from Red Zone countries will be forced to self-isolate for two weeks or they might be placed under observation. Those from Green Zone countries are free to leave the airport and need not self-isolate. It does not matter where a Red or Green Zone traveler is coming from, it will be based on their passport. For example, if the USA is placed in the Red Zone and an American is coming from New Zealand, where the virus supposedly has been eradicated, then the American will have to self-isolate.
This is interesting, and ridiculous in my opinion.
In Greece, where infection is scarce, I read that they will base their decision on where a visitor comes from, regardless of his nationality.
Ukraine may be placed in the list of countries, from which people are eligible to enter Greece after July 1. Though an American, I would be able to enter Greece, as I'm coming from Kiev. I thought I'd spend the next 3 months in Greece and come back to Ukraine in October. If the policy is still in effect in October, I will have to self-isolate for 2 weeks when I come back.
They should base their decision on where a visitor spent in the previous 2 weeks.
This is interesting, and ridiculous in my opinion.
In Greece, where infection is scarce, I read that they will base their decision on where a visitor comes from, regardless of his nationality.
Ukraine may be placed in the list of countries, from which people are eligible to enter Greece after July 1. Though an American, I would be able to enter Greece, as I'm coming from Kiev. I thought I'd spend the next 3 months in Greece and come back to Ukraine in October. If the policy is still in effect in October, I will have to self-isolate for 2 weeks when I come back.
They should base their decision on where a visitor spent in the previous 2 weeks.I decided to go to the Ministry of Health site and try to get further clarification Here's the link https://moz.gov.ua/article/reform-plan/urjad-zaboroniv-vidkrivati-kinoteatri-ta-provoditi-probne-zno-a-takozh-zminiv-pravila-peretinu-kordonu---maksim-stepanov.
First thing that stands out is that you will definitely need a health insurance policy that is acceptable in Ukraine in case you do become ill with the virus (or any other illness which requires hospitalization). What that policy covers and who the issuers are is not spelled out so it is very much of a gamble for anyone who arrives. The Border Guards have a great deal of leeway in their decisions and they could send you back on the next flight.
The site also clearly states that if you are a citizen of a Red Zone country or if you are coming from a Red Zone country, you will be required to self-isolate (if you have the required health insurance policy or else you may be sent back).
Guaranteed chaos especially for those foreigners who arrive early after the international airlines resume their Ukraine flights.
https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4240509-zapusk-avyasoobschenyia-moz-razdelyl-strany-na-dve-zony.
... Those from Green Zone countries are free to leave the airport and need not self-isolate. It does not matter where a Red or Green Zone traveler is coming from, it will be based on their passport.
Nothing in Korrespondent article said red / green zone based on passport. And it makes absolutely no sense, since many people are residents of countries other than passport country. More likely, they will examine your passport stamps and flight info to see where you spent last 14 days. If an American flew from New York then made connections in London and Munich before arriving in Kyiv, then logically they should check if any of USA, United Kingdom, Germany are red zone.
Nothing in Korrespondent article said red / green zone based on passport. And it makes absolutely no sense, since many people are residents of countries other than passport country. More likely, they will examine your passport stamps and flight info to see where you spent last 14 days. If an American flew from New York then made connections in London and Munich before arriving in Kyiv, then logically they should check if any of USA, United Kingdom, Germany are red zone.Read the Ministry of Health advisory. The translation is as follow:
Mandatory observation is only for those persons crossing the border and coming from countries or are citizens (or subjects) of countries with a high prevalence of COVID-19;.
As I read it, if you are coming from a country designated a Red Zone nation and are also a citizen of that country you will be subject to automatic mandatory self-isolation or observation. The same applies to anyone who has come from a Red Zone country but is not a citizen of that country. This will apply to Ukrainians returning home, as well.
This is Ukraine and this all makes no sense here anyway. This will definitely create a nightmare at Borispol arrivals. And do not forget the mandatory insurance issue that will also create additional headaches and delays. The Border Guards will have a huge say in the matter and passport control will be a real horror.
Lads, I dunno what happened, but on Mamba, it seems they have changed the profiles, yeah? Because "looking for a sponsor" is gone?
I still see my "go-to" girls up there, only advertising in the tags what they're looking for. I mean to hit them via PM up is still an option, but.
It made things easier back then. Any idea why this is?
I was in Kiew in winter and met 2 girls via Mamba that both are friends. They offered a fantastic 3 some and I would dearly like to go back again.
To have some more good time. Before I met them they've changed their Mamba profile and 2-3 months later they have changed their number.
Logged back on to Mamba, but I can't find their profile. But I would dearly like to get to know why this is?
PhotoSlider
06-15-20, 06:08
I usually live peacefully in a city one-two hours outside Kiev, but I often went through Kiev when I went in and out of Ukraine before corona.
One of the girls in Kiev used to come out to my city for 3000 UAH overnight, but another girl previously asked for additional 3000 UAH for her to come out to my city, so I had never invited this girl before.
But she contacted me recently and agreed to come out without any addition, so she was here a few nights ago.
I guess, just like many of us, she had to expand her horizon to survive in this era.Aside from pandemic events, and the usual once a month rent is due, there is an additional factor currently affecting Ukrainian ladies mindset, especially of those educated slightly better than average.
Many are going through their University finals right now, and already seek accommodations for the summer and beyond immediately after graduation.
There are 2 major destinations: Odessa and Kiev. Both require funds. Recent graduates have no jobs. Good jobs were scarce before, now unemployment is much higher than usual.
Sugar babies are ripe for harvesting by the lucky gentlemen who happen to reside in Ukraine at the moment.
Read the Ministry of Health advisory. The translation is as follow:
Mandatory observation is only for those persons crossing the border and coming from countries or are citizens (or subjects) of countries with a high prevalence of COVID-19;.
As I read it, if you are coming from a country designated a Red Zone nation and are also a citizen of that country you will be subject to automatic mandatory self-isolation or observation. The same applies to anyone who has come from a Red Zone country but is not a citizen of that country. This will apply to Ukrainians returning home, as well.
This is Ukraine and this all makes no sense here anyway. This will definitely create a nightmare at Borispol arrivals. And do not forget the mandatory insurance issue that will also create additional headaches and delays. The Border Guards will have a huge say in the matter and passport control will be a real horror.
All major airports are open again. Foreigners can return to Ukraine. But look at the list first.
Green and Red = https://bit.ly/2YyT6pH.
USA, GB, France, Italy, Canada are Red.
Turkey, Germany and even Egypt are Green.
Red means 14 days quarantine. Green means no quarantine.
Thanks for sharing the information! For me (and I think for most of the others here):
What about the bars, clubs, discos and restaurants?
All major airports are open again. Foreigners can return to Ukraine. But look at the list first.
Green and Red = https://bit.ly/2YyT6pH.
USA, GB, France, Italy, Canada are Red.
Turkey, Germany and even Egypt are Green.
Red means 14 days quarantine. Green means no quarantine.Yes, but. There still is a big change in how they look at citizens of Red Zone Countries. The link is here: https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4240882-mynzdrav-sostavyl-spysok-stran-krasnoi-zony.
The major change is that if a citizen of a Red Zone country has spent at least 14 days prior to entering Ukraine in a Green Zone Country, and if he has documents to confirm this, then he is to be considered as coming from a Green Zone and is not subject to self-isolation. In all other ways, a Red Zone citizen is to self-isolate.
And do not forget that all important health insurance policy you must also show, and this applies to EVERYONE, Red Zone, Green Zone, no matter.
Spain, the Netherlands, Moldova, Belarus, Belgium, Russia and Portugal are also red Zone countries.
Due to the changes in outbreaks in various countries,. This list is also subject to change so anyone travelling here should check the latest update from the Ministry of Health before they travel or else there may be unpleasant surprises.
Thanks for sharing the information! For me (and I think for most of the others here):
What about the bars, clubs, discos and restaurants?So far, all closed except for restaurants having outside terraces.
Even the strip clubs are closed.
The major change is that if a citizen of a Red Zone country has spent at least 14 days prior to entering Ukraine in a Green Zone Country, and if he has documents to confirm this, then he is to be considered as coming from a Green Zone and is not subject to self-isolation. Jeez, I didn't know that the Ukrainians were so clever!
They probably modeled this method after some other country's.
All major airports are open again. Foreigners can return to Ukraine. But look at the list first.
Green and Red = https://bit.ly/2YyT6pH.
USA, GB, France, Italy, Canada are Red.
Turkey, Germany and even Egypt are Green.
Red means 14 days quarantine. Green means no quarantine.This chart is interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It charts "Active cases per 100,000. " Active case means all infection cases minus recovered (and mortal?) cases. The figure in the green column can be obtained by "active case / population x 100,000".
There's not much difference between Sweden without lockdown and UK with lockdown.
There's not much difference between Sweden without lockdown and UK with lockdown.Problem with using cases per 100 K is that, the more you test, the more cases you find, mostly cases with mild symptoms. And vice-versa: no testing, no covid. Plus testing not always accurate because the nurse first has to get an accurate swap, then the test machine is not perfect. Some very poor countries may have limited testing capability, so report little or no covid despite actually having lots of covid. Other poor countries may have a financial incentive (from developmental assistance organizations) to test as much as possible and get as many positive results as possible, so they end up inflating their numbers.
Truly useful statistics are excess death counts at https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, since no way to fake total death counts in a developed country (wrong classification of cause of death is still possible, but total death count is very accurate). Sweden and UK do indeed show similar trajectories, though both trajectories are delayed relative to Spain and Switzerland, among others. Norway and Greece, among others, avoided any spike in excess deaths. All recent spikes in excess deaths on those graphs are from covid. Previous spikes are from seasonal flu. Now that spikes are receding everywhere in Europe and so situation is clearly under control, regardless of case counts.
I can't fault Ukraine for using active case counts to distinguish red / green countries, since using such counts would make sense ASSUMING all countries used same testing protocol, and tested same percentage of population, and used same criteria for deciding when cases no longer active. Of course, these assumptions are not true. But at this point, it is clear that politicians who dare to do anything unconventional (such as in Sweden) will be subjected to harsh criticism, so the only safe thing from politicians' perspective is follow WHO rules, which is probably what Ukraine is doing.
I'm an American in Spain. Covid is under control in Spain, with about 181 new cases but no deaths yesterday, however active cases count is still high for some reason (maybe they are very slow to list cases as resolved), so I'll probably have to self-isolate when I arrive in Kyiv on July 4. I plan to stay in Kyiv 4 months, so 2 weeks in quarantine no big deal.
My main concern right now is insurance. Hopefully, they will be selling insurance at the airport, because the UIA (Ukrainian International Air) insurance policy that came with my ticket is only for 7 days. Any suggestions for cheap online purchase travel policies for Americans? Someone recommended staysure, but that is for British nationals only.
Try safety wing for insurance.
Problem with using cases per 100 K is that, the more you test, the more cases you find, mostly cases with mild symptoms. And vice-versa: no testing, no covid. Plus testing not always accurate because the nurse first has to get an accurate swap, then the test machine is not perfect. Some very poor countries may have limited testing capability, so report little or no covid despite actually having lots of covid. Other poor countries may have a financial incentive (from developmental assistance organizations) to test as much as possible and get as many positive results as possible, so they end up inflating their numbers.
Truly useful statistics are excess death counts at https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps, since no way to fake total death counts in a developed country (wrong classification of cause of death is still possible, but total death count is very accurate). Sweden and UK do indeed show similar trajectories, though both trajectories are delayed relative to Spain and Switzerland, among others. Norway and Greece, among others, avoided any spike in excess deaths. All recent spikes in excess deaths on those graphs are from covid. Previous spikes are from seasonal flu. Now that spikes are receding everywhere in Europe and so situation is clearly under control, regardless of case counts.
I can't fault Ukraine for using active case counts to distinguish red / green countries, since using such counts would make sense ASSUMING all countries used same testing protocol, and tested same percentage of population, and used same criteria for deciding when cases no longer active. Of course, these assumptions are not true. But at this point, it is clear that politicians who dare to do anything unconventional (such as in Sweden) will be subjected to harsh criticism, so the only safe thing from politicians' perspective is follow WHO rules, which is probably what Ukraine is doing.
I'm an American in Spain. Covid is under control in Spain, with about 181 new cases but no deaths yesterday, however active cases count is still high for some reason (maybe they are very slow to list cases as resolved), so I'll probably have to self-isolate when I arrive in Kyiv on July 4. I plan to stay in Kyiv 4 months, so 2 weeks in quarantine no big deal.
My main concern right now is insurance. Hopefully, they will be selling insurance at the airport, because the UIA (Ukrainian International Air) insurance policy that came with my ticket is only for 7 days. Any suggestions for cheap online purchase travel policies for Americans? Someone recommended staysure, but that is for British nationals only.
Try safety wing for insurance.Safetywing regular Nomad policy specifically excludes covid, and the remote health policy is yearly only. Worldnomads offers a policy for about $111 for 4 weeks that includes covid. This should get me through passport control, and who cares what happens after 4 weeks. I'm also thinking of just forging a fake policy. If Ukraine really wants to protect itself against foreigners using their medical facilities for free, then they should sell the insurance themselves at the airport and force everyone to buy it.
Safetywing regular Nomad policy specifically excludes covid, and the remote health policy is yearly only. Worldnomads offers a policy for about $111 for 4 weeks that includes covid. This should get me through passport control, and who cares what happens after 4 weeks. I'm also thinking of just forging a fake policy. If Ukraine really wants to protect itself against foreigners using their medical facilities for free, then they should sell the insurance themselves at the airport and force everyone to buy it.Pro100 ua sell travel insurance to travel to ukraine, they speak english so send them an request and they can help.
They pretty cheap and alot of foreigners use them for 1 years insurance when applying for the visa.
No company covers this malady now, it's a known event during the Pandemic.
https://www.insure.travel/countries/u/strahovka-v-ukrainu
Has easy to use interface and appears to do what I want. Namely, send me a PDF in Russian (or maybe Ukrainian) that I can show Border Control. Quote for 4 week policy for 59 yo was 1100 UAH, or about $42.
I also sent email to pro100.ua and am awaiting response. Unfortunately, their website is Ukrainian only and not smartphone friendly.
PhotoSlider
06-17-20, 06:48
https://www.insure.travel/countries/u/strahovka-v-ukrainu
Has easy to use interface and appears to do what I want. Namely, send me a PDF in Russian (or maybe Ukrainian) that I can show Border Control. Quote for 4 week policy for 59 yo was 1100 UAH, or about $42.
I also sent email to pro100.ua and am awaiting response. Unfortunately, their website is Ukrainian only and not smartphone friendly.I just spoke to Pro100 UA via chat. They do not cover COVID yet, saying "The product is under development".
Looks like insure travel does. Would be interesting to hear from the first foreigner flying into KBP and successfully crossing the border with health insurance considered valid by the airport agents and officers.
Punter6996
06-17-20, 08:07
What about if you are flying from a "red" country but hold a passport of a "green" country. Is quarantine necessary?
If so, can it be at hotel / accommodation of my choice or is that determined by state?
This chart is interesting. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It charts "Active cases per 100,000. " Active case means all infection cases minus recovered (and mortal?) cases. The figure in the green column can be obtained by "active case / population x 100,000".
There's not much difference between Sweden without lockdown and UK with lockdown.
For those of you planning or hoping to fly Ukraine International Airlines into Ukraine, they have stopped sales of all tickets until August 1, 2020. Here is the link.
https://korrespondent.net/business/companies/4241963-mau-zakryla-prodazhu-byletov-do-1-avhusta
They have not been able to get any details from governments or partners about exact travel regulations plus many various rules related to what happens when you arrive for flight outbound from Ukraine regarding the virus and how they will deal it it for July.
For now they are flying passengers who are Ukrainians only with work or permanent residency permits abroad, or evacuation flights of foreigners still in Ukraine who want to go home and then inbound flights from those self-same locations of Ukrainians coming home.
Be very careful about tickets you buy to / from Ukraine from ALL airlines since rules may change at a moment's notice. Or not at all.
I just spoke to Pro100 UA via chat. They do not cover COVID yet, saying "The product is under development".
Looks like insure travel does. Would be interesting to hear from the first foreigner flying into KBP and successfully crossing the border with health insurance considered valid by the airport agents and officers.Insuretravel is a Russian company which interfaces to various insurance companies, probably all Russian. I would prefer a Ukrainian insurance company to minimize problems at the border. The 7 day policy which UIA gave me for free shows a Ukrainian government stamp on the PDF. Not sure if a Russian insurance company would be eligible for that.
PhotoSlider
06-17-20, 22:31
Insuretravel is a Russian company which interfaces to various insurance companies, probably all Russian. I would prefer a Ukrainian insurance company to minimize problems at the border. The 7 day policy which UIA gave me for free shows a Ukrainian government stamp on the PDF. Not sure if a Russian insurance company would be eligible for that.Yeah, you are the pioneer in the Wild West at this point.
Airport agent may object to 7 days not covering your 14 days quarantine, but it's a good start in this gamble.
Insure Travel for 30 days is 1100 rubles, not UAH. It is about 15 USD. I would try asking UIA directly if combination of their 7 days and 30 days with Insure Travel will suffice. Would UIA not allow you to board if insurance is not adequate?
Also, how can you stay 4 months? I thought 90 days every 6 months is tops for non-residents.
For those of you planning or hoping to fly Ukraine International Airlines into Ukraine, they have stopped sales of all tickets until August 1, 2020. Here is the link.
https://korrespondent.net/business/companies/4241963-mau-zakryla-prodazhu-byletov-do-1-avhusta
They have not been able to get any details from governments or partners about exact travel regulations plus many various rules related to what happens when you arrive for flight outbound from Ukraine regarding the virus and how they will deal it it for July.
For now they are flying passengers who are Ukrainians only with work or permanent residency permits abroad, or evacuation flights of foreigners still in Ukraine who want to go home and then inbound flights from those self-same locations of Ukrainians coming home.
Be very careful about tickets you buy to / from Ukraine from ALL airlines since rules may change at a moment's notice. Or not at all.Korrespondent either got it wrong or misleading everyone.
FlyUia will start some routes before 1 August and they already announced which.
https://www.flyuia.com/ua/en/news/2020/uia-implements-flexible-restart-of-international-flights
Wizz Air landed 5 planes today 17 August In zuliany.
They have 6 Landing 18 August.
Nordic Nomad
06-18-20, 03:33
First of all, thank you for good tips everyone posting here, I've been reading forum for year without registering. Figured I post my experiences from Kiev if these help someone else, lets start with the trainwrecks.
1. Because my arranged date canceled I had to find something fast I decided to try erotic massage, Google gave me a hit walking distance from my hotel. I booked 4 habd massage with lesbian show, address given led me to soviet era apartment building with broken elevator and ladies who were on their prime back when wall was still standing, no lesbian show (which was probably good thing), crappy massage and covered BJ for 1500 uah. One of the times when I should of turned away but hangover horniness makes my head bit fuzzy.
2. Another canceled date on another trip and I called agency I googled, iwait biz. I asked for 2 girls, owo and lesbian show. Price quoted for girls I picked from their site was 3600 total. Reality was something else, two Crocodiles delivered looked like they were picked from truck stop with a time machine to 80's. Horrible agency, avoid at all cost.
Not all that bad tho, I have few good experiences as well.
1. After my adventure to that soviet era massage parlour I messaged to girl I found from eurogirlsescort, she went by name Laila and obviously had fake photos but she said that we can meet for a cup of coffee first and I make decision after. She turned out to be smart and nice company on and put of bedroom, fluent in English, great GFE. Can recommend If bbws is your thing, 4000 for 2 hours.
2. My first trip ever to Kiev and I got number of some private agent from Tinder, rates for girls were 1600 or 2200. I picked one from 2200 and got delivered different girl than asked, on this case it was probably good thing as she was stunning and spoke fluent English.
3. Another agency, vipmolly. I asked for owo, CIM and DATY. Operator listed available girls and gave me a Price for hour, 4100+taxi. Everything went as agreed, price was steep but that's how it is in Kiev when you want extras from agencies sadly.
4. Indie and her friend from Kiev-girls. Asked for DFK, owo, CIM, DATY and they have me Price of 200 euros for 3 some. Took a taxi to given address and girls met me at the street from where we went shopping for some brandy, excellent service, I met them again next day but sadly could not repeat as they were going to Germany to make some money at their brothels.
In conclusion I have more good than bad experiences and I really want to like Kiev for mongering as otherwise its really nice city, but its quite hard since there is zero logic in P4P prices there have zero logic, with my preferred extras lot of other countries close by are actually cheaper than Ukraine. Girls can easily visit some European country for a month and make big bucks, so they charge same no matter where they are. P.S. Attached pic of duo of My 4th good one.
DramaFree11
06-18-20, 04:26
What about if you are flying from a "red" country but hold a passport of a "green" country. Is quarantine necessary?
If so, can it be at hotel / accommodation of my choice or is that determined by state?I doubt you will have a choice. This is crazy to fly to any country that might quarantine you. This is a path you do not want to go down and what happens if you get real sick, you may never leave. Pick a destination where there is no chance of Quarantine, just way to risky.
Wizz Air landed 5 planes today 17 August In zuliany.
They have 6 Landing 18 August.I don't know how they can sustain this. That many planes cannot be near full.
UIA cancelled all July flights from Spain, so I submitted request for promo code to use next year and purchased a new ticket with RyanAir for July 10. Hopefully, insurance situation will be better understood by then. Flying from red zone, so I'll probably have to self-isolate 14 days.
I don't know how they can sustain this. That many planes cannot be near full.What I have seen of pictures from airport and been told then they are pretty full.
Remember alot of ukranians work outside ukrain with EU work permissions, and also alot of EU citizen have business and work in Ukrain.
And then we have everyone here on the Forum who maybe now want to come and try some cheap adventures.
https://eurotravelins.com.ua includes covid-19 coverage and allows online purchase. Info avail in English. Quoted me cost of 384 UAH (about $15) for 59 yo foreigner for 21 days. I didn't go through with the purchase yet myself. This site is supposedly being recommended by the Lviv airport. Policy wording does not yet show covid-19 coverage, so you have to request by email for a confirmation letter about covid-19. After July 1, policy wording should be updated, so no need for confirmation letter.
https://m.facebook.com/227242610665802/posts/3328637563859609
This is the Lviv Airport statement about insurance. English translation follows the Ukrainian version.
https://eurotravelins.com.ua includes covid-19 coverage and allows online purchase. Info avail in English. Quoted me cost of 384 UAH (about $15) for 59 yo foreigner for 21 days. I didn't go through with the purchase yet myself. This site is supposedly being recommended by the Lviv airport. Policy wording does not yet show covid-19 coverage, so you have to request by email for a confirmation letter about covid-19. After July 1, policy wording should be updated, so no need for confirmation letter.They will "reimburse" the insured 30,000 hryvnia. Regular NA insurer usually directly pays out of pocket up to 10 million dollars directly to the hospital (never happens, but they will airlift you home if the condition permits). The point is this "coverage" can let you in but you can't rely upon it.
Rumor is that border control requires printed insurance policy document. So if you buy on the internet and then get a PDF policy document sent to you, you need to print this document on paper before arriving in Ukraine. It might also be a good idea to have a few thousand $ or € currency on hand, in case they are more strict than usual about the requirement for tourists to show adequate funds. Technically, you are allowed to show funds using an ATM machine, but that's one more thing to go wrong, such as if the machine is broken.
Rumor is that border control requires printed insurance policy document. So if you buy on the internet and then get a PDF policy document sent to you, you need to print this document on paper before arriving in Ukraine. It might also be a good idea to have a few thousand $ or currency on hand, in case they are more strict than usual about the requirement for tourists to show adequate funds. Technically, you are allowed to show funds using an ATM machine, but that's one more thing to go wrong, such as if the machine is broken.Its rumors.
The insurance in PDF is enough as long as you can prove it real.
The money issue.
I not heard anyone been asked about this the last many years.
If border controls should ask just show them the creditcard and if they ask how mush is one just say enough.
They need to have very big reasons to investigate this.
The first borderguard you meet in the box can not deny you entry they will need escalate it and call an superior if they feel something is wrong.
In these cases if they should come just stand your ground and maybe have the corruption linie number ready and call them and say you feel they asking for bribes to let you in.
In these cases if they should come, just stand your ground and maybe have the corruption line number ready and call them and say you feel they are asking for bribes to let you in.
Can you, or anybody, post the corruption number here?
That's the number to call, I believe, when you encounter corruption in Ukraine. I think I heard about this recently. It sounds useful, or let's hope it is.
Can you, or anybody, post the corruption number here?
That's the number to call, I believe, when you encounter corruption in Ukraine. I think I heard about this recently. It sounds useful, or let's hope it is.It is 0-800-213-200.
National Anti-corruption Bureau of Ukraine https://nabu.gov.ua/en.
Its rumors.
The insurance in PDF is enough as long as you can prove it real.
Are you sure? Situation is rapidly evolving and there is still worldwide hysteria with everything concerned with covid-19. Lots of Germans were turned back at Lviv few days ago because of the insurance issue, which is why the Lviv airport posted that Facebook page.
Regarding money, it depends on border guard. I was once grilled by two border guards in Britain. Not sure what set them off, maybe still angry about the American Revolution 200 years ago, but I had to go to an ATM and show my account balance. It was large, and upon seeing the amount, they immediately became very deferential. All border guards everywhere have the right to investigate your finances like this. With tensions running high right now because of covid hysteria and economic crises everywhere, I would not advise being unnecessarily confrontational.
Are you sure? Situation is rapidly evolving and there is still worldwide hysteria with everything concerned with covid-19. Lots of Germans were turned back at Lviv few days ago because of the insurance issue, which is why the Lviv airport posted that Facebook page.
Regarding money, it depends on border guard. I was once grilled by two border guards in Britain. Not sure what set them off, maybe still angry about the American Revolution 200 years ago, but I had to go to an ATM and show my account balance. It was large, and upon seeing the amount, they immediately became very deferential. All border guards everywhere have the right to investigate your finances like this. With tensions running high right now because of covid hysteria and economic crises everywhere, I would not advise being unnecessarily confrontational.Yes I'm sure.
If people get sent back its because they didn't have the insurance.
Now a days if a border guard ask about if there is money on card, I'm sure all can show it via mobilebanks that there is money on the card.
I have now entered and exited Ukrain last 10 years more than 150 Time, both by Air and Road.
Only thing I been asked about money couple of times when I go in was if I had more then 10.000 EURO (one time I Had 5000 In total 4 different currency and some money I even forgot I had, that made some funny situation in the room with 3 guards.
And most of the times I show them what UAH I have and else I say creditcards. And then no other questions.
When leaving I also been asked couple of times if I have more then 10.000 EUR.
https://www.mawista.com/en/international-health-insurance-365days/
This is the insurance I've been using for years in Europe. It is by Allianz, the largest insurance company in Europe.
I just called them, and they said covid-19 is covered. They also said it does not cover preventive medicine, meaning that if you don't have symptom but want to be tested, the test is not covered.
Read the whole page above. It is for any nationals and is effective worldwide except your home country. For the USA and Canada you need to pay more.
You might want to call them for yourself to make sure.
PhotoSlider
06-22-20, 16:40
https://www.mawista.com/en/international-health-insurance-365days/
This is the insurance I've been using for years in Europe. It is by Allianz, the largest insurance company in Europe.If I am not mistaken, Insure Travel quoted by Kozerog is also in partnership with Allianz.
PhotoSlider
06-22-20, 16:44
Yes I'm sure.
If people get sent back its because they didn't have the insurance.
Now a days if a border guard ask about if there is money on card, I'm sure all can show it via mobilebanks that there is money on the card.
I have now entered and exited Ukrain last 10 years more than 150 Time, both by Air and Road...Some things stay the same, yet I wouldn't be surprised if border control regulations get modified as a result of pandemic. Logical assumptions may get too far, and I would be inclined playing it safe, as Kozerog advises.
I just called them, and they said covid-19 is covered.If planning to go through Ukrainian border control, make sure you have WRITTEN confirmation from the insurance company that covid-19 is covered, with covid-19 specified by name. In the other forums (I can't link to them because I don't want my username there connected with ISG), it is generally agreed that without either the policy itself or a letter of clarification from the insurance company specifically mentioning covid-19, you may have problems. (About whether or not you need to print PDFs on paper, there is still debate, though I plan to do so because one less risk removed.).
If using https://eurotravelins.com.ua, there is now a statement on their website regarding covid-19: https://eurotravelins.com.ua/en/about-erv/our-news/the-official-announcement-of-amendments-to-the-insuranceu-conditions-from-june-10-2020-for-travelers/. However, Lviv airport facebook page suggests that, until July 1, you should email company with your policy number and ask them to send confirmation letter about covid-19 coverage. Scroll down for English version of this Lviv airport post at: https://m.facebook.com/227242610665802/posts/3328637563859609.
If planning to go through Ukrainian border control, make sure you have WRITTEN confirmation from the insurance company that covid-19 is covered, with covid-19 specified by name. In the other forums (I can't link to them because I don't want my username there connected with ISG), it is generally agreed that without either the policy itself or a letter of clarification from the insurance company specifically mentioning covid-19, you may have problems. (About whether or not you need to print PDFs on paper, there is still debate, though I plan to do so because one less risk removed.).There is no debate over if you need to have it printed.
According to the law its okay to have it in electronic way.
18 June there even was QA with the head of the Department of Border Control of the State Border Guard Service Administration Yuriy Lysyuk.
One Question was.
Question №2: What should the insurance look like when crossing the border? Should it be printed or electronically?
Answer: This issue is not within the competence of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine and at the moment it is not defined what kind of insurance foreigners should have. Currently, the Border Guard Service of Ukraine together with the Ministry of Health of Ukraine is developing a draft document in which this information would be spelled out. In practice, Ukrainian border guards allow foreigners with both printed and electronic insurances.
So your allowed to have it electronicly.
But if you can get it printed I would do so, who knows maybe your phone runs out of power or you loose it before and then there will be an problem.
I will BTW. Myself go back to ukrain in 7-10 days so I will see what they will ask.
So Ukraine opened up the border to foreigners on June 15. But the quarantine will continue until July 31 at least and then beyond.
I had thought that as a non-resident I needed to leave Ukraine within 30 days after the border opened, but it turned out that I was supposed to leave within 30 days after the quarantine ended. So the earliest I have to leave Ukraine is the end of August.
That is 6 full months after I came into Ukraine in March, and I'm grateful for that.
But as the infection keeps spreading in Ukraine without any slowdown in sight, I might leave Ukraine sooner and live in a country where I will not have to be concerned about the virus so much. But then the question would be when is the next time I feel safe to come back to Ukraine? That would be only after vaccine is widely distributed, and the pandemic is over, which can be at least two years away.
18 y. o. will be 20 y. o. and 20 y.o. will be 22 y. o.
If I stay here till the end of August, I guess I could come back in December 2020. But I can't imagine what would be happening in Ukraine in December.
Official Ukrainian Ministry of Health page regarding covid-19 here: https://moz.gov.ua/koronavirus-2019-ncov. Scroll down to a link to Cyrillic text which resembles Latin "TABLNUR" (tables, ISG does not allow Cyrillic). This will download a PDF of latest red/green zones countries. As of 22 June, Spain, UK and Sweden are currently green and at the bottom, because they do not report active cases per 100K. (Because they do not track recoveries of mild or asymptomatic cases, since such cases never return to the doctor or otherwise report when they are recovered.) In the 14 June report, those countries were red. Notice that Italy also has moved from red to green.
which resembles Latin "TABLNUR" (tables, ISG does not allow Cyrillic). The way you do Cyrillic here is you do you post then immediately edit it to add the the Cyrillic. When you do that the auto censor will not mess it up. В совершенстве!
PhotoSlider
06-24-20, 03:39
18 y. o. will be 20 y. o. and 20 y.o. will be 22 y. o.And those 16 years old that are of no interest to us today will become newly fresh 18 years old. Ukraine never stops to surprise and impress.
PhotoSlider
06-24-20, 03:47
There is no debate over if you need to have it printed.
According to the law its okay to have it in electronic way.
18 June there even was QA with the head of the Department of Border Control of the State Border Guard Service Administration Yuriy Lysyuk.
One Question was.
Question №2: What should the insurance look like when crossing the border? Should it be printed or electronically?
Answer: This issue is not within the competence of the State Border Guard Service of Ukraine and at the moment it is not defined what kind of insurance foreigners should have. Currently, the Border Guard Service of Ukraine together with the Ministry of Health of Ukraine is developing a draft document in which this information would be spelled out. In practice, Ukrainian border guards allow foreigners with both printed and electronic insurances.
So your allowed to have it electronicly.One may see the answer by Mister Lysyuk as direct and straightforward. I see that he leaves some room for maneuver and interpretation in the future.
Agree with your intention to have it printed. Playing safe will not hurt.
I was frisked on 3 different trips, customs officers tried to find on me money in excess of $10 K. Later on I found a thousand dollars, ten crisp Benjamins stashed in one of my books, that I totally forgot about after the previous trip. Customs didn't find it.
One may see the answer by Mister Lysyuk as direct and straightforward. I see that he leaves some room for maneuver and interpretation in the future.
Agree with your intention to have it printed. Playing safe will not hurt.
I was frisked on 3 different trips, customs officers tried to find on me money in excess of $10 K. Later on I found a thousand dollars, ten crisp Benjamins stashed in one of my books, that I totally forgot about after the previous trip. Customs didn't find it.Thats funny.
Never been frisked.
The same happend with me I forgot about nearly 4 K usd In my own currency.
Had been on the casino in my own country 2 days before, left them in my notebook bag to leave them at home.
In airport they ask and wanted to see in the room what I had and then they searched the bag but not me.
Had maybe 6 K USD but they was still very confused that I could forget that I had 4 K laying in my laptop case.
New rules. Even if coming from red zone country, you can avoid isolation if you get a PCR test in Ukraine after you arrive and it shows negative results.
https://www.unian.info/m/society/coronavirus-crisis-ukraine-cancels-observation-for-foreigners-with-negative-covid-19-results-11051657.html
A late non-report and more of a question to experienced Kiev mongers.
I was in Kiev last year and contacted Alexa https://escortkiev.info about two days before the intended meeting. All contact was via whatsapp and she communicated well in English. A meeting and costs were all agreed and there was no more contact until about 2 hours before the agreed meeting time when she hit me with a message asking for a photograph of me. I thought no way that could be used for blackmail. I said I didn't have a photo and she asked for a video call. Again, I refused as I thought I could be creating potential blackmail material. She cancelled our meeting. I suggested that if she wanted this kind of information she should specify it on her website, and she has since added in the "rules" section of her website that she wants to see ID. Again, that is not something I would agree to.
So I guess my question is, has anyone met this girl and is she legit?
Not that I'll be contacting her if I go back to Kiev!
PhotoSlider
06-26-20, 21:08
Thats funny.
Never been frisked.
The same happened with me I forgot about nearly 4 K usd In my own currency.Maybe frisked is too strong of a word. Do not recall if they actually went through my pockets or not. Definitely no cavity search.
I wasn't nervous. They threatened a few times: "If we find money in excess, it will be confiscated" I didn't react. I calmly asked why do they stop me so frequently? What is the stereotype that I match?
- If we tell you, we would need to hire you. You don't want to work for us, do you?
- On the contrary. I dream about it!
On a more serious note, what is the limit of currency that can be brought in legally? $10 K or Euro, or total of all currencies. I also heard about $15 K.
PhotoSlider
06-26-20, 21:11
A late non-report and more of a question to experienced Kiev mongers.
I was in Kiev last year and contacted Alexa https://escortkiev.info about two days before the intended meeting. All contact was via whatsapp and she communicated well in English. A meeting and costs were all agreed and there was no more contact until about 2 hours before the agreed meeting time when she hit me with a message asking for a photograph of me. I thought no way that could be used for blackmail. I said I didn't have a photo and she asked for a video call. Again, I refused as I thought I could be creating potential blackmail material. She cancelled our meeting. I suggested that if she wanted this kind of information she should specify it on her website, and she has since added in the "rules" section of her website that she wants to see ID. Again, that is not something I would agree to.
So I guess my question is, has anyone met this girl and is she legit?
Not that I'll be contacting her if I go back to Kiev!Alexa does have that requirement on her site under rules. At least now she does.
Doesn't matter. She seems too professional and older than 24. You didn't lose much.
I wouldn't give my real credentials or ID to anybody.
Maybe frisked is too strong of a word. Do not recall if they actually went through my pockets or not. Definitely no cavity search.
I wasn't nervous. They threatened a few times: "If we find money in excess, it will be confiscated" I didn't react. I calmly asked why do they stop me so frequently? What is the stereotype that I match?
- If we tell you, we would need to hire you. You don't want to work for us, do you?
- On the contrary. I dream about it!
On a more serious note, what is the limit of currency that can be brought in legally? $10 K or Euro, or total of all currencies. I also heard about $15 K.I never nervous around the police here, most are nice and the assholes fast fall down when you tell them not to be assholes.
Legally you could bring an suitcase with 10.000. 000 EUR if you wanted, as long as you can prove its your money and you went to customs with it to declear it.
I one time took 30 K EUR and decleared it and all was fine, took 15 minutes I had documents and also fast showed them why onlinebank on the phone that the money infact was taken from there and then all good.
Legally you can take 10.000 EUR without declaring them.
I am supposed to come to Ukraine for 10 days in August as part of a European holiday from Canada. I have 1 week to cancel for a full refund and not sure what to do? So much mis-information and speculation. I have been excited for years to come to Ukraine and now not sure if I should still take a chance and come or wait till next summer instead. If anyone is in Kiev, what is it like? Are there major restrictions in place? Are people out and about enjoying life? Are nightclubs, bars, restaurants all open as normal? Thanks and hope everyone is staying healthy.
DramaFree11
06-27-20, 17:01
I am supposed to come to Ukraine for 10 days in August as part of a European holiday from Canada. I have 1 week to cancel for a full refund and not sure what to do? So much mis-information and speculation. I have been excited for years to come to Ukraine and now not sure if I should still take a chance and come or wait till next summer instead. If anyone is in Kiev, what is it like? Are there major restrictions in place? Are people out and about enjoying life? Are nightclubs, bars, restaurants all open as normal? Thanks and hope everyone is staying healthy.You better think twice, what happens if you get quarantined, you are totally screwed. They can make your life miserable, the time and money that will be lost. Just not worth the risk. Guys are making it sound easy, but it is just not the case, show up in another country with a fever or cold, you are screwed. It just takes one medical staff, to say you have the Virus, then you have no control moving forward.
I'm hoping to go in August or September for two weeks. I have a girl in Lviv I'm going to see. She's a sweetheart. I also have an interpreter there from my last trip that I stay in contact with. I don't have my reservations yet and have been monitoring things for awhile. I do know there is no self isolation if you test negative. But I heard you need to buy a health insurance policy that is recognized in Ukraine. My interpreter told me this morning that things should be good in August. But if you are not sure, can you buy travel insurance just in case you need to cancel? Your trip did not include travel insurance? I am surprised you need to make a decision in the next week. But if you are not comfortable, cancel now and wait, then if things improve, make the plans again. Or wait until next summer.
BTW, Kiev can be really hot in summer. I was there last May and it was very hot! Stay safe!
I am supposed to come to Ukraine for 10 days in August as part of a European holiday from Canada. I have 1 week to cancel for a full refund and not sure what to do? So much mis-information and speculation. I have been excited for years to come to Ukraine and now not sure if I should still take a chance and come or wait till next summer instead. If anyone is in Kiev, what is it like? Are there major restrictions in place? Are people out and about enjoying life? Are nightclubs, bars, restaurants all open as normal? Thanks and hope everyone is staying healthy.
I am supposed to come to Ukraine for 10 days in August as part of a European holiday from Canada. I have 1 week to cancel for a full refund and not sure what to do? So much mis-information and speculation. I have been excited for years to come to Ukraine and now not sure if I should still take a chance and come or wait till next summer instead. If anyone is in Kiev, what is it like? Are there major restrictions in place? Are people out and about enjoying life? Are nightclubs, bars, restaurants all open as normal? Thanks and hope everyone is staying healthy.
Unfortunately, with the easing of restrictions in Ukraine generally, and Kiev, specifically, cases of the virus are rapidly rising. I live here now and I know firsthand what is happening. This is the latest from the Minister of Health: https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4245700-mest-v-bolnytsakh-skoro-budet-ne-khvatat-stepanov In his words, the worst is perhaps yet to come unless some controls are put into place within the next two weeks since there may no longer be any additional hospital beds for Covid-19 patients. Another epidemiologist states today that the situation nationwide may soon get out of control https://www.obozrevatel.com/society/skoro-situatsiya-s-covid-19-v-ukraine-stanet-nekontroliruemoj-epidemiolog.htm
Ukraine itself is now in the so-called Red Zone countries and no Ukrainians are allowed to enter the EU. The first holiday charter flight left Kiev yesterday but for Tirana Albania.
In the buses, marshrutkas and trolleys, masks are required and almost always used with some some rare exceptions, as I noted today, mostly young people who refuse to wear masks, along with 98% of those who walk the streets. Masks are used in stores and markets. Restaurants in Kiev have opened inside with restrictions but those restrictions are often ignored, especially in the upscale places owned by the elite, especially the Rada parliamentarians from the ruling party. The mayor is threatening to impose restrictions once again but he is under the usual pressures from businesses and oligarchs to keep things open until the worst happens. Like in Texas and Florida. Generally, it is not looking good with Kiev achieving new record cases of the virus daily now. By the way, nightclubs and other entertainment venues are supposed to be closed or under tight control but inspection raids do occur with heavy fines for violations to the owners.
If you do come make sure you do have the needed medical insurance policy since you may well need it, along with a possible 2 week self quarantine. I can't forecast what will happen in August but a 2 week quarantine for a 10 day trip is a bummer. It really is now a day-to-day evaluation of current circumstances but things do not point to anything getting better soon.
GirlGirlGirl
06-27-20, 18:41
I am American and will be in France for most of the summer, I want to visit Kiev for one week at the end of August.
Hence, I will be subject to the quarantine, coming from France, given its number don't improve.
It sound like it's a "self-quarantine". I could see myself "quarantine" while having some "friends" visiting me and maybe running some "essential" errands at night here and there.
However, I doubt they let me in the country if I'm a single traveller, first time in Ukraine, that state that will be in for a week.
I surely know that could imagine what I am up to.
I wonder if any non-business foreign visitor like me, subject to a quarantine that travelled recently to Ukraine with a target stay under 14 days was able to get through?
Unfortunately, with the easing of restrictions in Ukraine generally, and Kiev, specifically, cases of the virus are rapidly rising. I live here now and I know firsthand what is happening. This is the latest from the Minister of Health: https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4245700-mest-v-bolnytsakh-skoro-budet-ne-khvatat-stepanov In his words, the worst is perhaps yet to come unless some controls are put into place within the next two weeks since there may no longer be any additional hospital beds for Covid-19 patients. Another epidemiologist states today that the situation nationwide may soon get out of control https://www.obozrevatel.com/society/skoro-situatsiya-s-covid-19-v-ukraine-stanet-nekontroliruemoj-epidemiolog.htm
Ukraine itself is now in the so-called Red Zone countries and no Ukrainians are allowed to enter the EU. The first holiday charter flight left Kiev yesterday but for Tirana Albania.
In the buses, marshrutkas and trolleys, masks are required and almost always used with some some rare exceptions, as I noted today, mostly young people who refuse to wear masks, along with 98% of those who walk the streets. Masks are used in stores and markets. Restaurants in Kiev have opened inside with restrictions but those restrictions are often ignored, especially in the upscale places owned by the elite, especially the Rada parliamentarians from the ruling party. The mayor is threatening to impose restrictions once again but he is under the usual pressures from businesses and oligarchs to keep things open until the worst happens. Like in Texas and Florida. Generally, it is not looking good with Kiev achieving new record cases of the virus daily now. By the way, nightclubs and other entertainment venues are supposed to be closed or under tight control but inspection raids do occur with heavy fines for violations to the owners.
If you do come make sure you do have the needed medical insurance policy since you may well need it, along with a possible 2 week self quarantine. I can't forecast what will happen in August but a 2 week quarantine for a 10 day trip is a bummer. It really is now a day-to-day evaluation of current circumstances but things do not point to anything getting better soon.Ukranians can enter EU already, on work permissions and in alot of other cases also.
Ukrain is BTW. On the list that should open up on 1 Juli according to EU.
Medical Insurance is needed but can be bought online.
The 2 Week quarantine is only for red countrys, and if your coming from an red country you can get out of that with an Covid19 Test.
I am American and will be in France for most of the summer, I want to visit Kiev for one week at the end of August.
Hence, I will be subject to the quarantine, coming from France, given its number don't improve.
It sound like it's a "self-quarantine". I could see myself "quarantine" while having some "friends" visiting me and maybe running some "essential" errands at night here and there.
However, I doubt they let me in the country if I'm a single traveller, first time in Ukraine, that state that will be in for a week.
I surely know that could imagine what I am up to.
I wonder if any non-business foreign visitor like me, subject to a quarantine that travelled recently to Ukraine with a target stay under 14 days was able to get through?If you come from Red Zone, you could take a test in Ukraine and then you would be free to go where you want if the result was Negative.
Its an risk to take but its an option.
I don't see why they should not let you in, but if the test shows Covid19 then you need isolate for 14 days.
PhotoSlider
06-27-20, 22:33
Unfortunately, with the easing of restrictions in Ukraine generally, and Kiev, specifically, cases of the virus are rapidly rising. I live here now and I know firsthand what is happening...
...I can't forecast what will happen in August but a 2 week quarantine for a 10 day trip is a bummer. It really is now a day-to-day evaluation of current circumstances but things do not point to anything getting better soon.This is the best explanation of the current situation. You are in Ukraine, not as a visitor, but living there. You have access to the media, but most importantly see what is going on in the streets firsthand with your own eyes, not through emails and online chats.
It is one thing when Kozerog makes a decision on his own, and decides to go for 3-4 months. He has been to Kiev many times, and maybe the difference between Spain and Ukraine is not that huge at this point. I might have done the same.
It is completely different case when the person flies in for 10 days, and never been to Ukraine before. I wouldn't go. I have been to Kiev at least 10 times. Stayed there for months at a time. As much as I love Kiev, I am not traveling to Ukraine any time soon. COVID situation is getting progressively worse. There is no way to predict even one month out.
PhotoSlider
06-27-20, 22:45
My interpreter told me this morning that things should be good in August. I sense a potential conflict of interest here. Interpreter makes money providing service for you. Of course he wants the things being good in August. Does he work in health care?
Virus doesn't care what interpreters, politicians, and oligarchs think. Even what I, the mere mortal member of this Forum, think while trying to extrapolate based on info available for the last few months. It is not deterministic.
I do not want to be a number in statistics where everybody walks around without masks, and I am the one recovering in the best Kiev clinic. Yeah, those Ukrainian nurses are sure lovely, but I have other ideas about passing my time.
DramaFree11
06-27-20, 22:51
If you come from Red Zone, you could take a test in Ukraine and then you would be free to go where you want if the result was Negative.
Its an risk to take but its an option.
I don't see why they should not let you in, but if the test shows Covid19 then you need isolate for 14 days.At least 14 days, the may put further restrictions on you or make you go home. They can do whatever they want and there is nothing you can do about it. My friends just tested Positive no symptoms, except for fatigue.
My plan was going Kiev for 1 or 2 months that summer (I estimate, from 10 July to 1 September aprox), a pity that strip clubs are closed, I love them (I suppose they are closed, don't?) but as I read, you still can have some fun with online girls, as I live in Spain, I guess I should do a covid test once in airport, I'm just a bit worried about a new increasing of covid cases, that makes borders be closed again, but is life, we just live once, life is permanent risk.
Kozerog's post of 6-26-20 had an important link to a news item about mandatory health insurance. For those who might have missed it, here it is in full:
"Ukraine's Cabinet of Ministers has cancelled mandatory self-isolation or observation for foreign citizens entering the territory of Ukraine if they have a negative result of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing for COVID-19 conducted after crossing the state border. The Cabinet approved the change in the entry rules for foreigners on June 25, according to the State Agency for Tourism Development of Ukraine.
The government also gave details about requirements for insurance policies of foreigners and stateless persons crossing Ukraine's state border. A policy must be issued by an insurance company that is registered in Ukraine, or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance partner (a healthcare management organization) in Ukraine. The policy must cover the costs associated with the treatment of COVID-19, observation and the entire duration of stay in Ukraine. As was reported earlier, citizens who come to Ukraine from the "red-zone" countries (the worst COVID-19-affected regions) must undergo 14-day observation or use the "Dii Vdoma" ("Act At Home") GPS tracking app. If a traveler arrives from the "green" zones (the least COVID-19-affected regions), he or she may cross the border without hindrance when an insurance policy is available. ".
The PCR test can be conducted at any number of labs such as Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, etc. , and costs about $50.00.
However, there is a catch to the above rules about health insurance you should also be careful to note when purchasing the policy. You have to show that the insurance covers the ENTIRE duration of your stay in Ukraine. That means you risk being denied entry if the return flight date is later than the expiration date of the insurance policy. The Border Guards are allowed to ask you for proof of a return flight and you must show them a valid return flight ticket. Buying a few extra days' insurance to cover yourself is cheaper than being denied entry.
Worse yet, you somehow get through passport control with a policy shorter than your stay, your health insurance lapses while you are here and then you catch the virus. I would not suggest to anyone that they be brave enough, or stupid enough, to see what actually happens here to them if this becomes the case.
Kozerog's post of 6-26-20 had an important link to a news item about mandatory health insurance. For those who might have missed it, here it is in full:
"Ukraine's Cabinet of Ministers has cancelled mandatory self-isolation or observation for foreign citizens entering the territory of Ukraine if they have a negative result of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing for COVID-19 conducted after crossing the state border. The Cabinet approved the change in the entry rules for foreigners on June 25, according to the State Agency for Tourism Development of Ukraine.
The government also gave details about requirements for insurance policies of foreigners and stateless persons crossing Ukraine's state border. A policy must be issued by an insurance company that is registered in Ukraine, or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance partner (a healthcare management organization) in Ukraine. The policy must cover the costs associated with the treatment of COVID-19, observation and the entire duration of stay in Ukraine. As was reported earlier, citizens who come to Ukraine from the "red-zone" countries (the worst COVID-19-affected regions) must undergo 14-day observation or use the "Dii Vdoma" ("Act At Home") GPS tracking app. If a traveler arrives from the "green" zones (the least COVID-19-affected regions), he or she may cross the border without hindrance when an insurance policy is available. ".
The PCR test can be conducted at any number of labs such as Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, etc. , and costs about $50.00.
However, there is a catch to the above rules about health insurance you should also be careful to note when purchasing the policy. You have to show that the insurance covers the ENTIRE duration of your stay in Ukraine. That means you risk being denied entry if the return flight date is later than the expiration date of the insurance policy. The Border Guards are allowed to ask you for proof of a return flight and you must show them a valid return flight ticket. Buying a few extra days' insurance to cover yourself is cheaper than being denied entry.
Worse yet, you somehow get through passport control with a policy shorter than your stay, your health insurance lapses while you are here and then you catch the virus. I would not suggest to anyone that they be brave enough, or stupid enough, to see what actually happens here to them if this becomes the case.So are these labs, Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, in Kiev?
Can anybody answer: when you undergo 14-day observation, is it supposed to take place in Kiev? Can it be at another city?
When I come back to Ukraine, I'm just wondering if it's ok to quarantine myself at my apartment in my city 2 hours outside of Kiev.
Kozerog's post of 6-26-20 had an important link to a news item about mandatory health insurance. For those who might have missed it, here it is in full:
"Ukraine's Cabinet of Ministers has cancelled mandatory self-isolation or observation for foreign citizens entering the territory of Ukraine if they have a negative result of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) testing for COVID-19 conducted after crossing the state border. The Cabinet approved the change in the entry rules for foreigners on June 25, according to the State Agency for Tourism Development of Ukraine.
The government also gave details about requirements for insurance policies of foreigners and stateless persons crossing Ukraine's state border. A policy must be issued by an insurance company that is registered in Ukraine, or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance partner (a healthcare management organization) in Ukraine. The policy must cover the costs associated with the treatment of COVID-19, observation and the entire duration of stay in Ukraine. As was reported earlier, citizens who come to Ukraine from the "red-zone" countries (the worst COVID-19-affected regions) must undergo 14-day observation or use the "Dii Vdoma" ("Act At Home") GPS tracking app. If a traveler arrives from the "green" zones (the least COVID-19-affected regions), he or she may cross the border without hindrance when an insurance policy is available. ".
The PCR test can be conducted at any number of labs such as Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, etc. , and costs about $50.00.
However, there is a catch to the above rules about health insurance you should also be careful to note when purchasing the policy. You have to show that the insurance covers the ENTIRE duration of your stay in Ukraine. That means you risk being denied entry if the return flight date is later than the expiration date of the insurance policy. The Border Guards are allowed to ask you for proof of a return flight and you must show them a valid return flight ticket. Buying a few extra days' insurance to cover yourself is cheaper than being denied entry.
Worse yet, you somehow get through passport control with a policy shorter than your stay, your health insurance lapses while you are here and then you catch the virus. I would not suggest to anyone that they be brave enough, or stupid enough, to see what actually happens here to them if this becomes the case.If you can't find places to buy the Insurance then there is local groups for expat on FB where lawyers can give some contacts, they will not be expensive still.
So are these labs, Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, in Kiev?
Can anybody answer: when you undergo 14-day observation, is it supposed to take place in Kiev? Can it be at another city?
When I come back to Ukraine, I'm just wondering if it's ok to quarantine myself at my apartment in my city 2 hours outside of Kiev.You can go to wherever you want to do the isolation if you need these 14 days.
You just need to say it airport and the App on your phone you will first choce location when you arrive at final destination.
So are these labs, Synevo, Dila, Eurolab, in Kiev?
Can anybody answer: when you undergo 14-day observation, is it supposed to take place in Kiev? Can it be at another city?
When I come back to Ukraine, I'm just wondering if it's OK to quarantine myself at my apartment in my city 2 hours outside of Kiev.Synevo is nationwide. You just need to search their site for the location nearest to you. For me, they are the most convenient and also the most reliable.
Dila and Eurolab are in Kiev and as I am here, I am, of course, inclined to name those that I know and where the overwhelming majority of those who come to Ukraine will stay.
There are probably other such testing centers in other cities but those will be better known to those who visit Dnepr, Lviv and others or you can do an online search of local testing facilitates.
BTW, all these testing companies also test for herpes, STDs, HIV and a great many other essential tests at a reasonable price and with European quality.
If you can't find places to buy the Insurance then there is local groups for expat on FB where lawyers can give some contacts, they will not be expensive still.Lawyers? Not expensive?
What alternate universe do you live in?
How about giving actual links to FB sites where people can look for the actual policies and contacts if you know all that?
Uke Boy and Hestendk, These are great info that I might need in the future. Thank you very much!
And thanks equally to others who contribute to this forum!
Lawyers? Not expensive?
What alternate universe do you live in?
How about giving actual links to FB sites where people can look for the actual policies and contacts if you know all that?Maybe in the real world?
There are 3 FB groups for expats in kyiv.
In there there are at least 3 lawyers who give out free advises on daily basis on various things in ukraine.
2 of then have offerd to help and supply these insurances there already.
1 of them alreadt helped me.
Bought the insurance for me and send it before getting money from me also.
Yes ge know there is coming more business from me in the future also.
So if anyone need insurance and can't find themself then buy it from these groups.
I paid around 35 eueo for coverage of 6 months covid19 insurance.
They had coverage all down to 10 euro but I prefer to have a higher coverage.
She works for the government for her main job. She freelances as an interpreter for the local dating agency to make extra money. But we are friends and she does things for me for free. And the girl I want to meet speaks English so the interpreter won't be working for me and she knows that. But we will meet up while I am there. I asked her to meet this girl and she took her to a cafe pre-COVID and had a long conversation with her about me. So yes, she helps me in a way and I do pay her for that. But she wants me to meet this girl because we are a good match.
I sense a potential conflict of interest here. Interpreter makes money providing service for you. Of course he wants the things being good in August. Does he work in health care?
Virus doesn't care what interpreters, politicians, and oligarchs think. Even what I, the mere mortal member of this Forum, think while trying to extrapolate based on info available for the last few months. It is not deterministic.
I do not want to be a number in statistics where everybody walks around without masks, and I am the one recovering in the best Kiev clinic. Yeah, those Ukrainian nurses are sure lovely, but I have other ideas about passing my time.
Rammstein2
06-29-20, 00:40
Hi guys!
I have been so often in Kiev and always used MAMBA to get in touch with the girls. I noticed that in MAMBA the possibility "looking for a sponsor" doesn't exist anymore. Have you made the same experience? How could I found the girls now? Has anybody some information?
Maybe in the real world?
There are 3 FB groups for expats in kyiv.
In there there are at least 3 lawyers who give out free advises on daily basis on various things in ukraine.
2 of then have offerd to help and supply these insurances there already.
1 of them alreadt helped me.
Bought the insurance for me and send it before getting money from me also.
Yes ge know there is coming more business from me in the future also.
So if anyone need insurance and can't find themself then buy it from these groups.
I paid around 35 eueo for coverage of 6 months covid19 insurance.
They had coverage all down to 10 euro but I prefer to have a higher coverage.Take off identifying information, scan and post them, post the contracts.
Take off identifying information, scan and post them, post the contracts.Oki Its here.
I paid 1000 UAH which is around 33,5 EUR.
Its for 6 Months.
They have it in different packages from 200-400-600-800-1000.
Its Pro100 who issues them.
If anyone need help / direction to get it ask or in PM here.
If you have an turist insurance that Covers Covid19 then just make sure to have a print that your insurance (ID number) Cover Covid19.
It can be electronicle also.
Hi guys!
I have been so often in Kiev and always used MAMBA to get in touch with the girls. I noticed that in MAMBA the possibility "looking for a sponsor" doesn't exist anymore. Have you made the same experience? How could I found the girls now? Has anybody some information?I saw this option in app around Jan, when I last used this app. But one of my friend always said he couldn't find it. Now I think maybe this has something to with location / network. If you can, try using VPN to access different location. Maybe it is geographically blocked.
Member #4722
06-29-20, 20:32
I saw this option in app around Jan, when I last used this app. But one of my friend always said he couldn't find it. Now I think maybe this has something to with location / network. If you can, try using VPN to access different location. Maybe it is geographically blocked.I use a VPN and it doesn't make a difference. The "looking for sponsor" option is gone.
Thank you, Hestendk, looks like the formal coverage to enter the country, hopefully you won't need it for the reason.
I use a VPN and it doesn't make a difference. The "looking for sponsor" option is gone.I guess those girls just go to SA these days.
Ukranians can enter EU already, on work permissions and in alot of other cases also.
Ukrain is BTW. On the list that should open up on 1 Juli according to EU.Ukraine is NOT on the list for those allowed to enter the EU as of July 1. Here is the latest from the Minister of Health today on this issue: https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4246192-v-moz-rasskazaly-kohda-es-snymet-ohranychenyia-na-vezd-dlia-ukrayntsev.
Ordinary Ukrainians, with those few exceptions such as seasonal workers, students, diplomats and asylum seekers cannot, for now, enter the EU. The trouble is that Ukraine is not only in the red zone but also, unfortunately, has a growing rate of infections. Whereas two weeks ago it was 37 per every 100,000, it has now grown to 57 per 100,000, whereas the amount acceptable for the EU to allow entry is 16 infections per 100,000 population.
I fear this rate will only increase given how many here just do not regard this as a serious matter.
Ukraine is NOT on the list for those allowed to enter the EU as of July 1. Here is the latest from the Minister of Health today on this issue: https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4246192-v-moz-rasskazaly-kohda-es-snymet-ohranychenyia-na-vezd-dlia-ukrayntsev.
Ordinary Ukrainians, with those few exceptions such as seasonal workers, students, diplomats and asylum seekers cannot, for now, enter the EU. The trouble is that Ukraine is not only in the red zone but also, unfortunately, has a growing rate of infections. Whereas two weeks ago it was 37 per every 100,000, it has now grown to 57 per 100,000, whereas the amount acceptable for the EU to allow entry is 16 infections per 100,000 population.
I fear this rate will only increase given how many here just do not regard this as a serious matter.Ukraine was on the original list but it looks like they maybe will be removed.
But still alot of country allow People from ukrain to come if they have something to do in the country they are visiting, could be husband / boyfriend.
But yes there was an spike but it could look like its going down again now (could be to low testing).
Are you guys on Mamba paying for membership? It used to be that the sponsor and other sexually explicit search options were only available to paying members. Membership was cheap, like $4/ month. I haven't used Mamba in years myself.
I fear this rate will only increase given how many here just do not regard this as a serious matter.It will probably increase for another month pr so, then naturally start declining, same as in Sweden. Assuming a small amount of social distancing beyond what is normal, latest evidence is that herd immunity for covid-19 only requires under 20% of people with antibodies, not 60-70% like was thought originally.
https://us.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-could-burning-20-population-125914328.html
It will probably increase for another month pr so, then naturally start declining, same as in Sweden. Assuming a small amount of social distancing beyond what is normal, latest evidence is that herd immunity for covid-19 only requires under 20% of people with antibodies, not 60-70% like was thought originally.
https://us.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-could-burning-20-population-125914328.htmlI am not sure that "herd immunity" applies to Covid-19. In testimony today, Dr Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases in the USA, foresees a possible huge increase in cases in the US up to 100,000 daily new cases. This is with lots of unmasked dolts and idiots in bars, restaurants, public transport and elsewhere. Florida, Texas, and now California seem to put the lie to "herd immunity. " It is about the same here in Kiev as I travel about. I occasionally take a bus or trolley and only the singular jerk rides with the mask down or some even without a mask. I do not take the metro since that is probably Covid-19 breeder number 1. I try and take Uber wherever I go long distance and I also make the driver wear a mask if he has not done so already.
Those Swedish statistics are very arguable given that their neighbors have shut off all Swedes from entering Norway, Finland, Denmark, etc without a quarantine, let alone any other EU country. I would ignore and not consider the Swedish model as valid.
If you want to believe in herd immunity, and I do not, you can do so at your own risk. No current study shows that this is the case so far since it is far too early in the process. i, for one, have no desire to contact the virus in order to prove herd immunity.
BTW, the author of the article in your post is a Swede. That makes him most suspect as to the validity of anything he states.
Ukraine was on the original list but it looks like they maybe will be removed.
But still alot of country allow People from ukrain to come if they have something to do in the country they are visiting, could be husband / boyfriend.
But yes there was an spike but it could look like its going down again now (could be to low testing).Here is the official European Council press release today regarding entry into the EU https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/06/30/council-agrees-to-start-lifting-travel-restrictions-for-residents-of-some-third-countries/.
No Ukraine, only 15 countries allowed in for at least the next two weeks after which they will issue a revised and updated list.
And no boyfriends / girlfriends since they will allow in only EU citizens and their family members, long-term EU residents and their family members, not "friends."
Oki Its here.
I paid 1000 UAH which is around 33,5 EUR.
Its for 6 Months.
They have it in different packages from 200-400-600-800-1000.
Its Pro100 who issues them.
If anyone need help / direction to get it ask or in PM here.
If you have an turist insurance that Covers Covid19 then just make sure to have a print that your insurance (ID number) Cover Covid19.
It can be electronicle also.What about self quarantine or covid test? Are they available at the airport for arrival to skip the quarantine?
Here is the official European Council press release today regarding entry into the EU https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/06/30/council-agrees-to-start-lifting-travel-restrictions-for-residents-of-some-third-countries/.
No Ukraine, only 15 countries allowed in for at least the next two weeks after which they will issue a revised and updated list.
And no boyfriends / girlfriends since they will allow in only EU citizens and their family members, long-term EU residents and their family members, not "friends."Sorry to say but you not understand the rules and how EU work within this.
The rules are not nailed in stone, each country can stray away from them its reommendations.
So if a country wants to allow someone to come they are infact able to do that, they are also able to say they not want a country to come, even if its on the white list of ukraine.
Ex. Denmark allow everyone from outside EU to come if they have valid reason to come here.
An valid reason could be, visiting a BF (need prove its not just a scam), Visiting a registred partner, visiting parrents / children, attending school, attending funerals, attending business meetings and so on.
The list can be found here.
https://politi.dk/en/coronavirus-in-denmark/travelling-in-or-out-of-denmark/persons-resident-in-banned-countries
If you took the time to read and understand what standing the notice this.
"Based on the criteria and conditions set out in the recommendation, as from 1 July member states should start lifting the travel restrictions at the external borders for residents of the following third countries:
It's an Recommandation, not an rule that they can force any EU state to follow.
Every state in EU have their own borders and rule the borders how they want.
Other states follow the same system as Denmark and are allowing people in and not only people with residency.
DramaFree11
07-01-20, 02:16
Sorry to say but you not understand the rules and how EU work within this.
The rules are not nailed in stone, each country can stray away from them its reommendations.
So if a country wants to allow someone to come they are infact able to do that, they are also able to say they not want a country to come, even if its on the white list of ukraine.
Ex. Denmark allow everyone from outside EU to come if they have valid reason to come here.
An valid reason could be, visiting a BF (need prove its not just a scam), Visiting a registred partner, visiting parrents / children, attending school, attending funerals, attending business meetings and so on.
The list can be found here.
https://politi.dk/en/coronavirus-in-denmark/travelling-in-or-out-of-denmark/persons-resident-in-banned-countries
If you took the time to read and understand what standing the notice this.Great points, you are playing with fire if you travel abroad now. One person could make you life a living Hell, if they decide to Quarantine you. Think twice, go to Mexico or other destinations were there are no possibility of being Quarantined.
Great points, you are playing with fire if you travel abroad now. One person could make you life a living Hell, if they decide to Quarantine you. Think twice, go to Mexico or other destinations were there are no possibility of being Quarantined.Noone is playing with fire.
There are laws and rules how to quranteen if needed.
Ukraine just not changes the ruled on the fly.
Should you need quranteen then you can do it whereever you want thets the rule / law and that's what people is allowed.
I bought my insurance at the following link:
https://www.oberig-sg.com/strahovanie-migrantov
$31 (830 UAH), including credit card fees, for 4 months for man aged 59. Apparently, would be same price up to age 80. Covers €30000 of medical expenses and specifically states Covid-19 is covered, in conformance with Ukrainian law no. 480 of 12 June 2020. PDF they sent via email is in color, written in Ukrainian language, has official stamp of government approval and otherwise looks legitimate. Several people in Facebook forums say they have used this insurance successfully to get through passport control at Boryspil.
I paid with USA Visa credit card. Had to process transaction twice because initial attempt was flagged as possible fraud and declined by bank. Same problem I have with all credit card transactions I attempt in Ukraine, regardless of travel notices on file with bank.
Right now, best solution for home Covid-19 PCR testing seems Dila, 1800 UAH, including home visit by nurse (sex with nurse not included, plus who knows what age she will be):
https://dila.ua/rus/program/18505_vyiavlennia-rnk-covid-19-metodom-plr.html
Of course, I won't know until I get to Ukraine what their schedule will be. They might be backlogged and so not able to visit immediately.
PhotoSlider
07-02-20, 10:52
I paid with USA Visa credit card. Had to process transaction twice because initial attempt was flagged as possible fraud and declined by bank. Same problem I have with all credit card transactions I attempt in Ukraine, regardless of travel notices on file with bank...I used my USA visa credit card in Kiev extensively over the last 2-3 years. Mostly no problem at all. No fraud, nothing stolen. Small grocery shops, large restaurants, gift shopping, clothes, shoes, anywhere.
Had 3 minor issues with processing. No fraud, mere inconvenience, nuisance. All had nothing to do with the US company that issued my visa card, because I could call them, and they didn't see any trace or attempt of transaction going through. Challenges were on Ukrainian side.
1. Cashier-register at Mega-Market on Antonovicha-Gor'kogo all of a sudden requested to enter a PIN code. I said this is not a debit card. We went back and forth, and in the end manager admitted that they saw large purchases done on credit cards, where eventually somehow payments didn't go through and instead of tracing where the fraud happened within their processing card vendor, they decided to ban credit altogether and stay with debit only store-wide.
I paid cash and never returned. Too bad, it was my favorite store.
2. Opera tickets. Worked every other time online. Better in person. Same. Changing processing vendors on Ukrainian side by Opera management didn't help, as new vendor introduced unreasonable limitations that they perceive as security.
3. Paying relatively large amount for services at the solid medical clinic in Kiev. Something like 12000 UAH for extensive diagnostics. Rejected. Paid dozens of times before NP. After going back and forth, credit processing entity on Ukrainian side admitted that they have two rules: No large single payments over 3500 UAH, and have to wait a certain time interval like a day or few hours between those large payments. I asked why. They explained to clinic management that this is to take care of my security. I explained that this is bullshit and substantial inconvenience. Nurses were beautiful. So were the receptionists. Nobody reacted to me showing up with different young ladies.
@PhotoSlider: is there a reason you prefer credit cards in Ukraine? Ever since I started traveling extensively outside the USA some 20 years ago, I've attempted to pay cash whenever possible, to minimize problems. Main exceptions are: airline tickets, booking.com, airbnb.com. My landlady in Kyiv and I now trust one another enough that we avoid airbnb and payment with her all cash now. And of course I pay all cash to girls. My other expenses in Kyiv are small by comparison.
Currency conversion costs are typically 1% from wholesale rate with my Schwab ATM card. Raiffeisen charges 50 UAH fee per ATM withdrawal, but that fee is rebated by Schwab. Also, I typically withdraw 20000 UAH at a time, which makes ATM fee negligible as a percentage. Withdrawing such a large amount is somewhat risky, because if the ATM malfunctions, then I lose about $736 if Raiffeisen and Schwab both reject my report of machine malfunction. I try to use ATMs inside bank offices, such as at Pirigova 7 near University metro stop, in hopes such machines will be less likely to malfunction. Machines at Pirigova are often stocked with 500 UAH notes, which I prefer.
I also carry a total of 6 ATM cards (technically, debit cards locked down other than temporarily to make ATM withdrawals), from 5 different banks, in case one or more cards damaged, lost, or bank cancels card because it decides everything associated with Ukraine is suspicious or for some other arbitrary reason.
I also carry at least $2000 in USA or Euro currency ($100 or €50 notes). Most problems when traveling can be solved with access to money Conversely, lack of access to money is a disaster when traveling.
Complete shitshow with regards to getting removed from self-isolation based on negative PCR test:
https://m.facebook.com/100001662173833/posts/3186233838108657
This is how things are supposed to work:
https://phc.org.ua/news/algoritm-pripinennya-samoizolyacii-cherez-dodatok-diy-vdoma
@PhotoSlider: is there a reason you prefer credit cards in Ukraine? Ever since I started traveling extensively outside the USA some 20 years ago, I've attempted to pay cash whenever possible, to minimize problems. Main exceptions are: airline tickets, booking.com, airbnb.com. My landlady in Kyiv and I now trust one another enough that we avoid airbnb and payment with her all cash now. And of course I pay all cash to girls. My other expenses in Kyiv are small by comparison.
Currency conversion costs are typically 1% from wholesale rate with my Schwab ATM card. Raiffeisen charges 50 UAH fee per ATM withdrawal, but that fee is rebated by Schwab. Also, I typically withdraw 20000 UAH at a time, which makes ATM fee negligible as a percentage. Withdrawing such a large amount is somewhat risky, because if the ATM malfunctions, then I lose about $736 if Raiffeisen and Schwab both reject my report of machine malfunction. I try to use ATMs inside bank offices, such as at Pirigova 7 near University metro stop, in hopes such machines will be less likely to malfunction. Machines at Pirigova are often stocked with 500 UAH notes, which I prefer.
I also carry a total of 6 ATM cards (technically, debit cards locked down other than temporarily to make ATM withdrawals), from 5 different banks, in case one or more cards damaged, lost, or bank cancels card because it decides everything associated with Ukraine is suspicious or for some other arbitrary reason.
I also carry at least $2000 in USA or Euro currency ($100 or 50 notes). Most problems when traveling can be solved with access to money Conversely, lack of access to money is a disaster when traveling.The situation here with credit cards is sometimes a problem. I use my credit and debit cards here when necessary but like Kozerog, I mostly prefer cash except for the higher priced items. But beware. For example, Nova Poshta which is a very good courier company for the delivery to your locality of documents, parcels and goods purchased from many online companies such as Rozetka. However, their system, I found out to my regret, does not accept non-Ukrainian credit cards. I needed to use cash to buy my purchase. The same applies to some transactions with other Ukrainian companies and even some banking procedures with Privat Bank.
The exchange rate I get with the credit card is acceptable being better than the local exchange rate. Like Kozerog, I use my credit cards for airline, hotels and other travel-related purchases. Not too long ago, had to cancel a flight to Barcelona due to the virus outbreak there but I was able to get my money back via my American Express card while I know local Ukrainians received only vouchers since they paid with what amounts to a debit card.
Also, if you have American Express, leave it at home unless you are travelling elsewhere. It is not used in Ukraine except at the high-end hotels such as Hilton, Fairmont and others. On an everyday use basis, Amex is unknown here.
I also try and use my debit card only at one bank so that if I lose the card or it is hacked and used elsewhere, I can at least argue with my bank that it is not my purchase or cash advance here since I have a steady relationship with one bank here and only at two branches of this bank for cash advances. To further safeguard myself, I also mostly take out exactly the same amount in grivna each time which covers most of my daily expenses for abut two weeks. I also make sure to use ATMs within the bank offices. ATMs on the street can have skimmers attached and I never use them. When it comes to cards and money here, not only be very aware but it helps to have a touch of paranoia!
When I do make large purchases, I also have my American phone with me. I used to notify my credit card company in advance that I was making a large purchase here. They said, fine, we'll OK it. They did not and it happened more than once. Now I make the purchase, it is denied, I call the credit card company on my American phone as I wait with the seller, the international fraud division then see the purchase which was denied, they ask me some security questions to verify my identity, they OK it, the card is run through again and it is approved. A pain in the neck but security is appreciated.
Finally, if you have a phone with NFC, you can sign up with Google Pay and use that to safely make local purchases. I do it all the time and it is safe and convenient.
I usually use my German or Polish debit cards to get cash in Ukraine. I've been using ATM machines with Euronet sings because the exchange rate seems to be better than others. But they are usually in malls, so I should maybe start using other ATMs within bank branches, as suggested here.
If you use American credit cards, you can collect mileages, but I'm not willing take risks.
I not heard in a long time anyone had their cards skimmed down here.
It never happend for me, I always check the ATM good before using it.
4 Years ago I found skimming device attached but it was easy to see if you knew what to look for, cancled the transactions called police from inside the card to give them the tip and they came fast.
Noone else used it meanwhile and no strange people around so no arrests was made.
Only bad things with ATM's here is some of the old ones will eat your card if its out of metal, I lost one that way. It was not possible for the machine to give back the card due to its little thicker then the plastic ones.
All new ATM's support it 100%.
PhotoSlider
07-06-20, 06:02
@PhotoSlider: is there a reason you prefer credit cards in Ukraine?Certainly not to get more miles.
Thank you for explaining your approach in great detail. You are a role model for using money wisely.
I used to spend much more, including GIA in 2016-2017, and have been running out of cash quicker, even with ATM withdrawals and $10 K brought in through KBP.
I changed my wasteful habits since then while extending time and improving quality of my stays in Kiev. I still use credit card because I find it convenient. No need to carry loads of cash around, and no need to go to "milking machine" AKA ATM or currency exchange kiosk that frequently. Often I go out only with credit card on me, not even a wallet. In that regard I perceive Kiev as safe as Rio, Brazil or NYC.
Both, ATM and currency exchange, I consider risk locations anywhere, even back home. Nothing happened to me at either one yet.
Chase credit card adds supplemental protection if there is a suspicious activity. Visa support quickly takes care of any ambiguities. My second phone with US SIM card has WiFi calling, making it a regular free local call to / from US. Very convenient feature.
I check my credit card statement daily. I definitely validate my receipts in Kiev. There were some attempts to pad, and then quickly taken out after a friendly inquiry.
Girls I certainly pay cash. Or perform barter. Regulars receive payments in the envelope, and never count. Hourly girls I pay in the delivery vehicle, and after so many there was one that had the audacity to claim that I miscalculated by one 500 UAH banknote. I said: "Search for it. In the meantime I'll call your dispatcher. " She found it. What a miracle!
AmEx is accepted at certain high profile restaurants in Kiev. It has higher percentage surcharge and even in US business undertakers frown on it, and ask if I have something better.
I had credit card fraud only once in my entire life. My AmEx numbers were stolen in Canadian Capital City Ottawa at some cafeteria and used at gas stations around Montreal. AmEx refunded the whole amount, about 200-300 USD without paying due diligence. They just ate the cost.
Certainly not to get more miles.Ha! Why not? It is a nice perk.
Personally I use a card everywhere I can. If I need cash, I just use it for a cash withdrawal but this is extremely rare. My bank (credit union) does not charge me any extra fee for cash withdrawals and there is no international transaction fee.
I mainly like cards because I can track everything I spend and have an itemized statement. It is more convenient than counting out cash. And if there are problems, I have never had any issues disputing a charge.
I pay girls in cash, and I normally carry around some 20 and 100 hryvnia notes for tipping when necessary but I only use them for tipping. I carry the small amount of cash and my card together in a very small anti-skim wallet and have two backup cards from other banks at my apartment that I have never had to use.
Ha! Why not? It is a nice perk.
It is a nice perk. When I was living in the US, I was an avid collector of miles and was able to come to Europe, often including Ukraine, at least once a year with miles.
After I moved to Europe several years ago, I no longer collect miles. But in Europe flying is so cheap that you really don't need to attempt to fly with miles, unless you want to go out of Europe.
But last year when I stayed with a girl at a resort hotel in Ukraine, I used my old miles, and the entire accommodation was free.
I say accommodation because food wasn't free. In fact this girl was so excited to stay at this resort that she only charged me half the normal price. But then she kept ordering the most expensive food at the hotel restaurants, and the bills for food was consequently more than the normal price for the hotel accommodation.
It is now all a fun memory.
PhotoSlider
07-07-20, 00:46
Ha! Why not? It is a nice perk.Agree to some extent. Earning miles is a useful by-product.
At the same time for most of population using the credit card, with or without miles, is a sure way to spend more than reasonably needed or even can be afforded. Difference between want and truly need.
Do I want GIA girls? Some of them, yes. Lovely memories lasting forever. Do I need them? No, for the last 2-3 years I did much better without. Financially and emotionally.
Besides using miles becomes more and more difficult. I have miles for at least 2 round trips to Kiev. Am I going to use them? Ever? Even before COVID buying tickets with my own funds was much easier than with miles. More flexibility in many ways.
I respect everybody's spending habits, and for myself I prefer credit for everything and cash to girls. If there were no ATM skimming, and no ATM charges, I would switch to using debit card in daily life, even for e-commerce, because mine has visa protection on it. Most of them do. So, simply use it as credit, not debit.
Budgeting with cash requires discipline. It is doable when expense categories are minimal and repetitive in nature. Or when you are an oil magnate, crown prince, and accounting is done by the army of designated court servants. I do not have a problem with people spending their earned or inherited funds lavishly. I am secure financially, still my objectives are slightly different these days.
is a sure way to spend more than reasonably needed or even can be afforded. Very much agree. I pay off my card every month without fail. I think it has been more than 15 years since I last ran a balance. No debt, no interest.
The only debt I have is my car and only because I have a 2% loan which means the present value of the money more than makes up for the loan interest.
Here an URL with countries in red and green zone, I'm in Spain now and this is no land place.
https://moz.gov.ua/uploads/4/24692-informacia_sodo_kil_kosti_aktivnih_vipadkiv_covid_19_na_100_tis_naselenna.pdf
PhotoSlider
07-08-20, 04:38
The only debt I have is my car and only because I have a 2% loan which means the present value of the money more than makes up for the loan interest.Only if I invest the money held away from paying off the loan, and, after taxes are subtracted, earn on it more than the above 2%. I myself keep in mind that the percentage is compounded, and 2-3% over 10 years becomes something like 50% owed or earned, depending on what I do.
I myself do not have a car. Work remotely from anywhere, including Kiev in 2016-2019. No car, no loan, no repair mechanics, no insurance, no speeding tickets. More money for main hobby.
But we are getting away from the main subject of our discussions here.
Friend of mine, currently in Kiev long term, regularly partakes in ordering hourly girls, and is quite happy. Prices didn't change, offerings are abundant, he didn't contract any COVID yet, God forbid. He is multilingual, making it easier.
I'd like to see how the environment is going to change after the dust settles.
So far I envision fewer GFE options for free, especially DFK, BBBJ and DATY that I had with more than half of the girls.
Probably relying on regulars to even a higher degree than before.
Quarantine and self-isolation, in the unlikely event that they stay, will prevent many short-term travelers from venturing outside of their countries of residence.
Many Ukrainian girls are eagerly awaiting the lifting of travel restrictions, so that they can fly out of Ukraine through Minsk or whatever to earn their living. Therefore there's a potential for more hunting beauties closer to mongers home base.
The rest is not clear. Things may get much worse. It all depends on vaccine (which I do not see happening soon, if ever), on efficient therapy, and maybe COVID disappearing on its own, like Spanish Flu did 100 yaers ago.
If possible, I would like to open an account at PayPal and a bank in Ukraine.
Is PayPal fully operational in Ukraine?
https://www.paypal.com/ua/webapps/mpp/country-worldwide
Here it says, "We are available in more than 200 countries. " Yet when I click on Ukraine Sign Up, it says, "Something's not right. That page doesn't exist. ".
Has anybody successfully opened a bank account in Ukraine?
When I walked in a BNP Paribas branch in Ukraine the other day, I was told all I need is a passport, even though I told them I'm just a tourist. Can that be true?
Somebody also has told me it's possible to connect PayPal to PrivatBank of Ukraine. Does that mean other banks are not possible to be connected?
Which bank in Ukraine is the most foreigner-friendly?
From the US Embassy today:
The Ukrainian government has launched Visit Ukraine Today, a new platform that provides information on the entry and exit requirements for foreign travelers who plan to visit Ukraine. The website contains information regarding observation and self-isolation requirements, medical insurance requirements and options, and specific instructions on how to take a COVID-19 PCR test and submit the results through the "Dii vdoma" mobile application to end the self-isolation requirement.
It appears from the cost that the two medical insurance companies are hungry for profit with some of it going to the government.
Here is the link to the most current Ukrainian government information on entry regulations and more:
https://visitukraine.today/
https://visitukraine.today/Thanks by info, this website shows clearly how are things going on now.
Has anybody successfully opened a bank account in Ukraine?
When I walked in a BNP Paribas branch in Ukraine the other day, I was told all I need is a passport, even though I told them I'm just a tourist. Can that be true?
Somebody also has told me it's possible to connect PayPal to PrivatBank of Ukraine. Does that mean other banks are not possible to be connected?
Which bank in Ukraine is the most foreigner-friendly?BNP have an office in kyiv wherr most speak english.
And yes its possible for foreigners to open an account there. I did and many others.
They have a very good mastercard plan that if you use it give you some nice perks in the airport and other places.
Paypal as I remember cannot be connected.
You can use transferwise here if that can help you.
PhotoSlider
07-09-20, 06:14
Has anybody successfully opened a bank account in Ukraine?
When I walked in a BNP Paribas branch in Ukraine the other day, I was told all I need is a passport, even though I told them I'm just a tourist. Can that be true?
Somebody also has told me it's possible to connect PayPal to PrivatBank of Ukraine. Does that mean other banks are not possible to be connected?
Which bank in Ukraine is the most foreigner-friendly?There were a few international banks with offices in Kiev, that also had presence in Europe. I was given names, but they require further validation. Unicredit, Alfa-Bank, Pravex, OTP, Commerzbank, UkrSib-BNP Paribas Group.
Raiffeisen is good for transfers.
There are benefits and disadvantages. Ability to deposit the funds in your home country directly into the bank account, without PayPal or WU, might be useful. But it also gets under scrutiny of Western regulation bodies. Taxes and money laundering considerations are just a few.
While in Kiev, I visited PrivatBank in person, spoke to the bank employee, and could easily open an account with my US passport. I could later send money via Western Union from my smartphone, and then within minutes deposit those funds directly into PrivatBank account using smartphone App. Obviously paying WU fee, and transfer amount is limited.
Not sure how stable PrivatBank is at the moment.
Another way is bank wire transfer, I believe taking few days, and often requiring SWIFT support. Again, PrivatBank supports SWIFT. Not all Western Banks have SWIFT.
Sorbonne, perhaps you already know all of the above, and need to open an account specifically in Ukrainian bank for a certain legal reason.
There were a few international banks with offices in Kiev, that also had presence in Europe. I was given names, but they require further validation. Unicredit, Alfa-Bank, Pravex, OTP, Commerzbank, UkrSib-BNP Paribas Group.
Raiffeisen is good for transfers.
There are benefits and disadvantages. Ability to deposit the funds in your home country directly into the bank account, without PayPal or WU, might be useful. But it also gets under scrutiny of Western regulation bodies. Taxes and money laundering considerations are just a few.
While in Kiev, I visited PrivatBank in person, spoke to the bank employee, and could easily open an account with my US passport. I could later send money via Western Union from my smartphone, and then within minutes deposit those funds directly into PrivatBank account using smartphone App. Obviously paying WU fee, and transfer amount is limited.
Not sure how stable PrivatBank is at the moment.
Another way is bank wire transfer, I believe taking few days, and often requiring SWIFT support. Again, PrivatBank supports SWIFT. Not all Western Banks have SWIFT.
Sorbonne, perhaps you already know all of the above, and need to open an account specifically in Ukrainian bank for a certain legal reason.Thanks, guys, for all the info.
It's just that some of my earning can be deposited into a PayPal account, so having a PayPal Ukraine and a bank in Ukraine should be convenient for me.
I'm not sure how stable PrivatBank is, either. (But it's the largest bank in Ukraine, so it should be ok for general public.) So I would like to opt for another bank. BNP Paribas told me they supports SWIFT.
But then, if PayPal Ukraine is not operational, there is no point for me. But an employee at BNP Paribas said it's possible to connect PayPal with PrivatBank, so I'll keep exploring.
PhotoSlider
07-09-20, 22:11
some of my earning can be deposited into a PayPal account, so having a PayPal Ukraine and a bank in Ukraine should be convenient for me.
I'm not sure how stable PrivatBank is, either. (But it's the largest bank in Ukraine, so it should be ok for general public.) So I would like to opt for another bank. BNP Paribas told me they supports SWIFT.
But then, if PayPal Ukraine is not operational, there is no point for me. But an employee at BNP Paribas said it's possible to connect PayPal with PrivatBank, so I'll keep exploring.Not sure when did the below change happen, but an FYI:
"payPal states that Russian GOVERNMENT restricts and prevents international payments from being received into a Russian PayPal account. ".
I doubt Ukrainian government would restrict its bread earners in a similar fashion. I also tend to believe what BNP Paribas employee states.
You will not know for sure unless you try it yourself, or see with your own eyes when someone dos it, or a trustworthy Forum member states he succeeded very recently.
Most of my friends in Kiev simply use ATM / debit and credit cards for access to their funds outside of Ukraine. It is convenience vs surcharge.
Thanks, guys, for all the info.
It's just that some of my earning can be deposited into a PayPal account, so having a PayPal Ukraine and a bank in Ukraine should be convenient for me.
I'm not sure how stable PrivatBank is, either. (But it's the largest bank in Ukraine, so it should be ok for general public.) So I would like to opt for another bank. BNP Paribas told me they supports SWIFT.
But then, if PayPal Ukraine is not operational, there is no point for me. But an employee at BNP Paribas said it's possible to connect PayPal with PrivatBank, so I'll keep exploring.All Ukranian banks are Fully SWIFT / IBAN supported, it happend last year so now all is much more easy to send money in.
Ukrsibbank have the best banking app in my opinion.
Privatbank I would see as an secure bank, they are state owned and are making money.
So look which one that can give you the best benefits and then select that, Privatbank / Ukrsibbank have ATM in nearly all cities as I see it.
I arrived at Boryspil from Barcelona Friday evening, about 21:00. Because Spain is on the red list, everyone was required to install and activate Дій Вдома (Dij Bdoma) app prior to passport control. You can download this app anytime and anywhere (from Google or Apple store). App is Ukrainian language only. If you have 2 phones, use Google Translate camera mode on one phone to translate what is displayed on other phone.
To activate app, you need to receive SMS sent to Ukrainian (+380) mobile phone number. However, you cannot buy local SIMs until after passport control, so if you don't have a Ukrainian SIM already, then you have 2 options:
1) Use a friend's or AirBnb host's number. That number will be linked to your case, so friend / host will receive police calls in case you violate self-isolation. They can then tell police your true phone number (SIM you buy after passport control). I haven't violated self-isolation yet, so not sure about such police calls.
2) Get friend or AirBnb host to buy local SIM for you in advance and then install that SIM in their phone temporarily, between time you arrive and time you get through passport control.
You can communicate with friend / host by email or Viber or similar, using Boryspil free wifi for internet access. Friend / host will receive SMS containing activation code, which they send to you, so you can enter into app.
Note that self-isolation app communicates to its remote server by internet, and never checks that current mobile number of phone is same as number used to receive activation SMS. Phone I'm currently using for app doesn't have any SIM in it. Phone number associated with my case is that if my landlady.
You show activated app to passport control and give them your address of self-isolation.
You also show your covid insurance policy to passport control. I used company below, and paid 850 uah for almost 4 months coverage, same price would apply to anyone up to age 80:
https://www.oberig-sg.com/strahovanie-migrantov
Once through passport control, buy local SIM or pick up SIM friend / host bought for you. If weekday daytime arrival, you can optionally visit testing lab on way to your apartment, so as to get removed early from self-isolation. List of approved testing labs here:
https://phc.org.ua/news/algoritm-pripinennya-samoizolyacii-dlya-osib-scho-peretnuli-derzhavniy-kordon
Since I arrived Friday evening, no labs open, so I had to arrange home nurse visit from Dila labs, for 1800 uah total cost, payable in cash:
https://dila.ua/rus/program/18505_koronavirus-sars-cov-2-covid-19-rnk-metodom-rt-plr-iakisnyi.html
No home nurse visit time slots available Saturday or Sunday, so I had to wait until noon Monday. I received negative test results by both email and SMS (at landlady's number) Tuesday evening. As of Tuesday, I continue to receive check-in notifications from self-isolation app, so evidently my negative results have either not yet been sent to or not yet processed by Ministry of Public Health, so as to get me off their list. I'll investigate tomorrow.
Note that if you used phone number of friend / host to setup self-isolation app, you must give that number to lab to forward to Ministry of Public Health, since your case is identified by that phone number.
Passport control, Dila receptionist and Dila nurse all spoke Russian only. If you don't speak Russian, try to get a local friend / host to help with Dila and read my instructions above to get through passport control without needing help.
Everything is changing fast, so process might be different next week from what it was for me. https://visitukraine.today is official border service page, with latest information.
So far, I've seen my regular twice. Her face is clearly showing signs of age (these slavic girls fade fast as they approach 30) but I really don't care about looks that much anymore. I get along wth her, the sex is good, I'm happy and that's what matters.
PhotoSlider
07-15-20, 08:47
I'm happy and that's what matters.Solid preparation and great execution!
I'm jealous, but in a kindest way. Thank you much for sharing in such structured and detailed manner. Please continue whenever you have time.
Best regards.
I sent an email to Dila this morning, asking them to forward my negative test results to the government. A few hours later, self-isolation app notified me that my self-isolation was finished. If arriving on a weekday instead of Friday evening, probably could get everything finished in 2 days rather 5.
As I wrote before, everything changing rapidly. By next week, they may have testing available at the airport.
I sent an email to Dila this morning, asking them to forward my negative test results to the government. A few hours later, self-isolation app notified me that my self-isolation was finished. Thank you, Kozerog! Great detailed and very informative post. I truly appreciate your contributions toward making our experience a success. I hope you all the best.
I should be arriving 3 weeks from today!
DramaFree11
07-16-20, 02:24
I arrived at Boryspil from Barcelona Friday evening, about 21:00. Because Spain is on the red list, everyone was required to install and activate Дій Вдома (Dij Bdoma) app prior to passport control. You can download this app anytime and anywhere (from Google or Apple store). App is Ukrainian language only. If you have 2 phones, use Google Translate camera mode on one phone to translate what is displayed on other phone.
To activate app, you need to receive SMS sent to Ukrainian (+380) mobile phone number. However, you cannot buy local SIMs until after passport control, so if you don't have a Ukrainian SIM already, then you have 2 options:
1) Use a friend's or AirBnb host's number. That number will be linked to your case, so friend / host will receive police calls in case you violate self-isolation. They can then tell police your true phone number (SIM you buy after passport control). I haven't violated self-isolation yet, so not sure about such police calls.
2) Get friend or AirBnb host to buy local SIM for you in advance and then install that SIM in their phone temporarily, between time you arrive and time you get through passport control.
You can communicate with friend / host by email or Viber or similar, using Boryspil free wifi for internet access. Friend / host will receive SMS containing activation code, which they send to you, so you can enter into app.
Note that self-isolation app communicates to its remote server by internet, and never checks that current mobile number of phone is same as number used to receive activation SMS. Phone I'm currently using for app doesn't have any SIM in it. Phone number associated with my case is that if my landlady..Great story, I am totally impressed, you have major street cred. Now. This blows away my fake documents driving into Mexico. Great job, and I am genuinely happy for you.
Testing now available at the airport: https://testcovid19.com.ua.
Just in case that website I just gave is a scam, call CSD labs using the number or email address on their official site: https://www.csdlab.ua/.
Testing now available at the airport: https://testcovid19.com.ua.Thanks for this link, I am heading to Ukraine too in few weeks and I think I will need it too. I will send a report after I try some Kiev chickass ummmm, I pretty look forward. It is always nice to handle business trip with some girls.
Hi,
I am sorry for spamming a bit but I am wondering, are there any famous street in Kiev? With a lots of girls and you know, having fun? Thanks.
AntonySun1996
07-19-20, 13:25
Glad to see there are people who have the gut to visit Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic. Hopefully I will be there very soon.
I have a stupid question. How can I activate a Ukrainian sim card while I am in a foreign country? For some reason I need to use my Ukrainian number to call someone. I found an old KyivStar sim card which I probably bought years ago when I was in Kyiv and haven't used it ever since. Now it has sufficient fund on the account since I managed to top it up with my visa debit card. However the sim card still doesn't work on my phone (no signal, no internet, not able to make / receive phone calls and SMS). I couldn't find any helpful instructions on their website either. Does anyone here know how to activate a KyivStar sim card in my situation?
Thanks in advance. Stay safe.
PhotoSlider
07-20-20, 02:00
Glad to see there are people who have the gut to visit Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic. Hopefully I will be there very soon.
I have a stupid question. How can I activate a Ukrainian sim card while I am in a foreign country? For some reason I need to use my Ukrainian number to call someone. I found an old KyivStar sim card which I probably bought years ago when I was in Kyiv and haven't used it ever since. Now it has sufficient fund on the account since I managed to top it up with my visa debit card. However the sim card still doesn't work on my phone (no signal, no internet, not able to make / receive phone calls and SMS). I couldn't find any helpful instructions on their website either. Does anyone here know how to activate a KyivStar sim card in my situation?
Thanks in advance. Stay safe.Was your Kyivstar SIM card for this number ever active?
Mine is also a Kyivstar, and I had it for the last 3-4 years. It is active by some act of God, but account balance is zero. Prior to arrival to KBP I ask my trusted driver / events manager to deposit funds into Kyivstar account a day or two in advance. He can do it from his phone even while driving.
When I leave Kiev, account balance runs out, but somehow my Kyivstar number gets never revoked. I keep using it for Viber, WhatsApp etc.
If I turn off the flight mode while staying in US, that Kyivstar SIM connects to AT&T cell tower, and sends me SMS, congratulating that I am roaming, while providing the contact number of Ukrainian Embassy for my convenience, and other information on plans to milk me.
I doubt there is a way to activate your SIM card outside of Kyivstar cellular network, but maybe technical progress and corporate greed overcame those hurdles.
AntonySun1996
07-20-20, 07:09
Was your Kyivstar SIM card for this number ever active?
Mine is also a Kyivstar, and I had it for the last 3-4 years. It is active by some act of God, but account balance is zero. Prior to arrival to KBP I ask my trusted driver / events manager to deposit funds into Kyivstar account a day or two in advance. He can do it from his phone even while driving.
When I leave Kiev, account balance runs out, but somehow my Kyivstar number gets never revoked. I keep using it for Viber, WhatsApp etc.
If I turn off the flight mode while staying in US, that Kyivstar SIM connects to AT&T cell tower, and sends me SMS, congratulating that I am roaming, while providing the contact number of Ukrainian Embassy for my convenience, and other information on plans to milk me.
I doubt there is a way to activate your SIM card outside of Kyivstar cellular network, but maybe technical progress and corporate greed overcame those hurdles.Yes it was activated when I bought it at the kiosk at KBP and worked perfectly fine when I was in Kyiv. I just cannot figure out a way to activate now. It seems the sim card cannot connect to the local service providers, even though on their website they state that roaming is available in my country. I remember I once used it to receive SMS from Ukraine, but it just doesn't work now.
Glad to see there are people who have the gut to visit Ukraine in the midst of the pandemic. Hopefully I will be there very soon.
I have a stupid question. How can I activate a Ukrainian sim card while I am in a foreign country? For some reason I need to use my Ukrainian number to call someone. I found an old KyivStar sim card which I probably bought years ago when I was in Kyiv and haven't used it ever since. Now it has sufficient fund on the account since I managed to top it up with my visa debit card. However the sim card still doesn't work on my phone (no signal, no internet, not able to make / receive phone calls and SMS). I couldn't find any helpful instructions on their website either. Does anyone here know how to activate a KyivStar sim card in my situation?
Thanks in advance. Stay safe.I don't have an answer to your question but have an additional related question.
Seeing from what Kozerog said, it sounds useful to have a Ukrainian number active when you arrive at the airport in order to download and activate the Дій Вдома (Dij Bdoma) app using the phone number.
So if I leave Ukraine and come back, I would like to have an active number before I can get to those ATM terminals for depositing money to phone networks at the airport arrival area.
In order to do so, I can always deposit enough money for the next 3 or 4 months before I leave Ukraine. Currently, I pay 170 UAH per month to Vodafone Ukraine.
But even though I don't do that, and the money runs out while I'm away, is it not true that I can still receive phone calls and SMS? (I wouldn't be able to make calls or send SMS if money runs out of course.) So as long as my phone number is active, I can receive SMS to activate the app?
I think phone numbers remain active for up to a year even after money runs out. So if you deposit money within a year, you can start using the phone number as usual.
In order to do so, I can always deposit enough money for the next 3 or 4 months before I leave Ukraine. Currently, I pay 170 UAH per month to Vodafone Ukraine.If using Vodafone Ukraine, they have an online payment service which accepts credit cards and GooglePay:
https://pay.vodafone.ua/en/top-up
I haven't yet tested, but I plan to, since I also use Vodafone.
If using Vodafone Ukraine, they have an online payment service which accepts credit cards and GooglePay:
https://pay.vodafone.ua/en/top-up
I haven't yet tested, but I plan to, since I also use Vodafone.Hmmm, I tried to test it, but it is not working with me.
It does not let me choose the payment method.
Also I tried to download the app at Google Play, but it says This item isn't available in your countiry (Ukraine). Changed the country with my VPN but it still says the same thing.
I'm physically present in Ukraine and using Vodafone network for internet access and can't download Vodafone app. Even switched my phone to Ukrainian language temporarily and still doesn't work.
On the website, initially BankOfAmerica declined the top up transaction, then I talked with bank fraud detection to get past that obstacle, then Vodafone website says USA credit cards, including through GooglePay, not accepted. I'm happy with Vodafone, but they evidently have problems.
My girlfriend told me about an ESim card from Lifecell. I have an iPhone 11 and I will be reading up on it. Apparently you can order it online and add it to your phone rather easily. I watched a video from T-Mobile to see how it is set up. But I don't know if it can be activated here in the US, but it looks promising. https://m.lifecell.ua/en/sim-and-number/eSIM/.
If anyone has success using this, let me know.
Yes it was activated when I bought it at the kiosk at KBP and worked perfectly fine when I was in Kyiv. I just cannot figure out a way to activate now. It seems the sim card cannot connect to the local service providers, even though on their website they state that roaming is available in my country. I remember I once used it to receive SMS from Ukraine, but it just doesn't work now.
I'm physically present in Ukraine and using Vodafone network for internet access and can't download Vodafone app. Even switched my phone to Ukrainian language temporarily and still doesn't work.Sorry to change the subject, I want to visit some stripclubs when I am there. Some of them says they are open. But how do they manage private with this situation? Are there any restrictions?
Do the streets still look colorful with lots of beauties showing off?
I will be coming from a greenzone, I'm hoping for an easy entry. Want to start the action from day 1.
Hi all,
Is there any other website like http://kiev.ukrgo.com.
To find local announce of girls?
Thanks.
At NorskKing: I don't go out at night to clubs, so can't say about that. Rules say clubs and bars must close at 23:00, but some continue operating after that, using a back entrance. Restaurants and cafes busy in the daytime, and streets look normal for this time of year. Note that university is closed now and some young women may be out of town because it's mid-summer. I'm seeing my regular, so not sure about the situation with agency girls.
A pity than stripclubs don't work now, they are the best I have ever seen.
I'm in red zone now, anybody knows if just spending some days in green zone is enough to avoid carantine?
DramaFree11
07-23-20, 03:15
A pity than stripclubs don't work now, they are the best I have ever seen.
I'm in red zone now, anybody knows if just spending some days in green zone is enough to avoid carantine?Are you are sure you are talking about Kiev. They are very expensive and not good at all. Sorry.
Nordic Nomad
07-23-20, 09:35
Hi all,
Is there any other website like http://kiev.ukrgo.com.
To find local announce of girls?
Thanks.You could try keksik.net or naberu.com.
You could try keksik.net or naberu.com.
I guess all this are the same agency / bait-switch rip offs?
Are there like real websites where genuine individuals in need of money post?))).
Or is one website better than others?
Or do we have to call them all and wait until one gem shows up? Which is nothing I necessarily despise. Because that's Kiev as we know it.
Are you are sure you are talking about Kiev. They are very expensive and not good at all. Sorry.I traveled to 40 countries and best stripclubs of world are by far, Kiev ones.
DramaFree11
07-24-20, 02:33
I traveled to 40 countries and best stripclubs of world are by far, Kiev ones.I guess if you consider paying $350-450 to bank a 5 or 6 the best in the world, then we have very different opinions. Kiev Stripclubs are a rips off and very low end. There are many good thing about Kiev but the Stripclubs and nightlife is terrible, that is pre-virus, it will be even worse now.
At NorskKing: I don't go out at night to clubs, so can't say about that. Rules say clubs and bars must close at 23:00, but some continue operating after that
Note that university is closed now and some young women may be out of town because it's mid-summer. I'm seeing my regular, so not sure about the situation with agency girls.A bit unfortunate about university holidays. Many young girls won't have any proper excuse from their parents to stay in Kiev reducing the availability. Nevertheless, I know I'll find some talent. There are massage parlors, and few contacts I can begin with. Thanks again.
Are you are sure you are talking about Kiev. They are very expensive and not good at all. Sorry.I think after Moscow, I also find Kiev girls in stripclubs good looking. Rio might be my favorite in terms of good looking girls but performance wise I had great memory from there.
I guess if you consider paying $350-450 to bank a 5 or 6 the best in the world, then we have very different opinions. Kiev Stripclubs are a rips off and very low end. There are many good thing about Kiev but the Stripclubs and nightlife is terrible, that is pre-virus, it will be even worse now.Strip clubs are where girls basicaly just strip, so the mere fact that you can even f* what you see might make one completely mesmerized, I'm just guessing.
In fact I was one of them when I first came to Kiev from the US.
Over years I've learned you can find such clubs in Russia, Czechia, Bulgaria... Where else in Europe?
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