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How are you guys doing in Kiev? You must be either enjoying yourselves too much to report your escapade or lucky enough to be in the scarce ICU in Kiev.I just have nothing really new to report. I'm seeing my sponsorette overnight 4-5 nights a week and seeing 4 regulars mixed in. This is exactly where I want to be.
2 of my regulars are referrals from other girls. So I guess the only thing I have learned fairly recently is, there is no harm in asking a girl if they have any friends. If you treat them well, there is no reason for them to not give you a referral especially if you are not going to see them again.
Traveling international is just too risky now.This is exactly when I want to travel. When naysayers say it is "too risky. ".
DramaFree11
01-23-21, 20:35
This is exactly when I want to travel. When naysayers say it is "too risky. ".OK, good luck with that.
This is exactly when I want to travel. When naysayers say it is "too risky. ".I guess you say that because now less foreigners, then girls work better, don't?
I guess you say that because now less foreigners, then girls work better, don't?It is really an advantage to have less man. I think recently are golden times like it was in 2013 when the war begun between Russia and Ukraine. It was my best visit in Odessa. Nothing really dangerous happened. Just after I returned. Some crazy people came to İbiza club and beaten the people in a Russian Singer's concert. I mean you can't say there is no risk in such times. Honestly in Ukraine noone gives a shtt about Covid. You can get infected easily but what I believe if you have a strong immunity nothing happens. Lİke if you be careful and not to go Russian singer's concert in Odessa. So it is always your responsiblity to be carefull. Regarding quarantine when I was in Kyiv pandemy makes everything a little bit more difficult but not a big deal. For example partys never been announced openly in social media. You have to be in contact with local people and be a member of secret telegram groups. One night when I was in front of Buena Vista club, In freezing weather I knocked the door for a long time for the bodyguard to hear from downstairs. He heard it after 10 minutes and he came and open the door look right and left carefully and take me inside. It was like a James Bond movie. But all in all it was really enjoyable to be there. If I can find an opportunity I will try Minsk this time.
It is really an advantage to have less man. I think recently are golden times like it was in 2013 when the war begun between Russia and Ukraine. It was my best visit in Odessa. Nothing really dangerous happened. Just after I returned. Some crazy people came to İbiza club and beaten the people in a Russian Singer's concert. I mean you can't say there is no risk in such times. Honestly in Ukraine noone gives a shtt about Covid. You can get infected easily but what I believe if you have a strong immunity nothing happens. Lİke if you be careful and not to go Russian singer's concert in Odessa. So it is always your responsiblity to be carefull. Regarding quarantine when I was in Kyiv pandemy makes everything a little bit more difficult but not a big deal. For example partys never been announced openly in social media. You have to be in contact with local people and be a member of secret telegram groups. One night when I was in front of Buena Vista club, In freezing weather I knocked the door for a long time for the bodyguard to hear from downstairs. He heard it after 10 minutes and he came and open the door look right and left carefully and take me inside. It was like a James Bond movie. But all in all it was really enjoyable to be there. If I can find an opportunity I will try Minsk this time.Iceberg, I think your perspective is valid with someone with at least basic Russian ability. For an average foreigners that kind of network seeking is very difficult. I had many times thought to travel to Kiev anyways but did not do it because I knew I had to struggle to find that hidden groups.
Please keep posting, I enjoy your views and posts. I am not as active these days as I wish to be, but soon I hope.
Iceberg, I think your perspective is valid with someone with at least basic Russian ability. For an average foreigners that kind of network seeking is very difficult. I had many times thought to travel to Kiev anyways but did not do it because I knew I had to struggle to find that hidden groups.
Please keep posting, I enjoy your views and posts. I am not as active these days as I wish to be, but soon I hope.I honestly thought the same thing myself when I read Iceberg's post. I can only agree with NorskKing. If you don't speak some Russian, it will be very hard.
I honestly thought the same thing myself when I read Iceberg's post. I can only agree with NorskKing. If you don't speak some Russian, it will be very hard.Gentlemen,
Thanks for your appreciation but I don't have even basic russian. I can read Cyrillic Alphabet and I only know, some basic words like Hello, how are you. Believe me you exaggerate the situation in your eyes. Yummy will be angry to me because I increase the no of people going there by writing this (LOL) but this is the main reason many guys stay home. Only fear. In reality everything not that difficult.
Iceberg, I think your perspective is valid with someone with at least basic Russian ability. For an average foreigners that kind of network seeking is very difficult. I had many times thought to travel to Kiev anyways but did not do it because I knew I had to struggle to find that hidden groups.
Please keep posting, I enjoy your views and posts. I am not as active these days as I wish to be, but soon I hope.Regarding network, of course I had some friends from the past through the Latin dance society but if my goal was only P4 p, I would make it even without their help. If you have time and money, don't miss, just jump in a plane and go there and enjoy strip clubs and get some Ukrainian dyevushka ass on your dck in Topless MP. Download Bolt and Bolt Food. You will be served in your apartment with nice Uzbek food (try Misaffir. Perfect restaurant) They bring everything to your apartment with bicycle couriers. I can't go there one more time and have to count hours here on weekends lockdown. My bitcoin investments crashed down and I don't have annual leave enough.
Any update on covid requirements and constraints for foreigners entering ukraine??
Any update on covid requirements and constraints for foreigners entering ukraine??All the info you want for your specific country can be found here: https://visitukraine.today/.
It is the official site, so is reliable.
Thanks for your appreciation but I don't have even basic russian. I can read Cyrillic Alphabet and I only know, some basic words like Hello, how are you. Believe me you exaggerate the situation in your eyes. Yummy will be angry to me because I increase the no of people going there by writing this (LOL) but this is the main reason many guys stay home. Only fear. In reality everything not that difficult.Iceberg, it is an honor just to be mentioned in one of your posts.
I'm a very fit 53 year old so not in a particularly high risk group, but I have zero fear of COVID. My Russian is horrible, but I guess it is getting better.
Kyiv is really good for me right now. I don't discourage anyone from coming except DramaFree who I know will have a horrible time.
DramaFree11
01-31-21, 13:33
Iceberg, it is an honor just to be mentioned in one of your posts.
I'm a very fit 53 year old so not in a particularly high risk group, but I have zero fear of COVID. My Russian is horrible, but I guess it is getting better.
Kyiv is really good for me right now. I don't discourage anyone from coming except DramaFree who I know will have a horrible time.Thanks for mentioning me. Yes, Kiev sucks for girls and scams. I did mention that it might actually be better now. I would never encourage anyone to go to Kiev just too many problems that you and others experience, That you and others conveniently choose to leave out of your reports.
Gentlemen,
Thanks for your appreciation but I don't have even basic russian. I can read Cyrillic Alphabet and I only know, some basic words like Hello, how are you. Believe me you exaggerate the situation in your eyes. Yummy will be angry to me because I increase the no of people going there by writing this (LOL) but this is the main reason many guys stay home. Only fear. In reality everything not that difficult.Thanks for clearing up about your Russian skills. I'm not sure why but I assumed you speak Russian well based on your reports. I had to read your previous report again with this correction in my head. Next time I am in Kiev I'll try to make some local friends and see how it goes.
Regarding network, of course I had some friends from the past through the Latin dance society but if my goal was only P4 p, I would make it even without their help. If you have time and money, don't miss, just jump in a plane and go there and enjoy strip clubs and get some Ukrainian dyevushka ass on your dck in Topless MP. Download Bolt and Bolt Food. You will be served in your apartment with nice Uzbek food (try Misaffir. Perfect restaurant) They bring everything to your apartment with bicycle couriers. I can't go there one more time and have to count hours here on weekends lockdown. My bitcoin investments crashed down and I don't have annual leave enough.I have had wonderful experience in Kiev so far and yes MP are my backups where I can unload anytime. I will be trying my game with some female tourguides as it is interesting to seduce them into the apartment. The scarcity of foreigners will make the game easier, I hope. It is very strict to go out and in Norway so I need to wait a bit.
I just have nothing really new to report. I'm seeing my sponsorette overnight 4-5 nights a week and seeing 4 regulars mixed in. This is exactly where I want to be.
2 of my regulars are referrals from other girls. So I guess the only thing I have learned fairly recently is, there is no harm in asking a girl if they have any friends. If you treat them well, there is no reason for them to not give you a referral especially if you are not going to see them again.YummyPL,
It sounds like you have your system down to a science. Do you speak Ukrainian? Also, how did you find these girls. Were these through seeking??
I've been in a quandary as to whether to visit Ukraine or not. Some of my best sessions have been with Ukrainian girls so I'm curious about how things would go in their "homeland" LOL.
Thanks for mentioning me. Yes, Kiev sucks for girls and scams. I did mention that it might actually be better now. I would never encourage anyone to go to Kiev just too many problems that you and others experience, That you and others conveniently choose to leave out of your reports.I have no problem interacting with you and honoring you, LOL.
I'm not too sure about your past posts, but I do have to wonder if you have had some abysmal or traumatic experiences in Kiev? If you have already talked about it in this thread, I would be interested in pointers such as year and months so that I could look them up. If you haven't, it'll be for the good of everybody else here.
I myself have not had such bad experience in Kiev. The biggest problem I've had was back in 2010 when my 600 USD cell phone was stolen by gypsies on street, but this is not really related to girls or p4p. Besides, 600 USD was reimbursed to me by my travel insurance company. I have certainly wasted some money on ugly girls in Kiev, but that is not so often and works as lesson to learn.
The biggest problem related to girls / p4p I've ever encountered was in Romania in 2004, and I lost about 200 USD.
I have certainly wasted some money on ugly girls in Kiev, but that is not so often and works as lesson to learn. I know your question wasn't for me, but I will make some comments.
I have certainly wasted money on girls that didn't meet my standards in the past. But I have enough time and a good enough supply of girls now that I don't hesitate to turn away girls that don't meet my standards. If they are the girl in the photo, but don't meet my standard, I give them taxi fare. If they are not the girl and are a bad bait and switch, I don't give them anything. There have been a couple of times the girls were far enough below my standard that I walked away without talking to them. But I am pretty good a spotting scams now so it rarely happens. I am up to about 40 different successful girls now, and have only turned away about 10. So 80% success rate for girls that show up to the meeting. But 80+% of online girls are crap before you even arrange a meeting, so it takes work to plow through them.
So the only thing I lose is my time. But I actually hate wasting my time. That is part of why I like to stick to my reliable girls.
YummyPL,
It sounds like you have your system down to a science. Do you speak Ukrainian? Also, how did you find these girls. Were these through seeking??
I've been in a quandary as to whether to visit Ukraine or not. Some of my best sessions have been with Ukrainian girls so I'm curious about how things would go in their "homeland" LOL.It may be an art, but it is far from being a science. My girls up through September were mostly on Seeking. Since then they are mostly Mamba. But a significant percentage of recent girls have been referrals.
Pretty much all Ukrainians speak Russian and I have a very basic knowledge of Russian. Not enough to win anyone's heart, but enough for necessary communication.
But Ukraine is difficult if you don't have time, have not been here before, and don't speak the language. I like the challenge almost as much as I like the girls. But it takes work to find good girls here.
If you want very young girls, I think it is a lot easier if you are under 40 or can pass for it. Unfortunately I am long past that now but I am very fit for my age. That said, I had two new and very respectable 18 year olds this week. Both of these girls could easily pull $300+ per hour in the USA and $180+ in Germany for their level of service and looks. I do significantly better than that.
I know your question wasn't for me, but I will make some comments.
I have certainly wasted money on girls that didn't meet my standards in the past. But I have enough time and a good enough supply of girls now that I don't hesitate to turn away girls that don't meet my standards. If they are the girl in the photo, but don't meet my standard, I give them taxi fare. If they are not the girl and are a bad bait and switch, I don't give them anything. There have been a couple of times the girls were far enough below my standard that I walked away without talking to them. But I am pretty good a spotting scams now so it rarely happens. I am up to about 40 different successful girls now, and have only turned away about 10. So 80% success rate for girls that show up to the meeting. But 80+% of online girls are crap before you even arrange a meeting, so it takes work to plow through them.
So the only thing I lose is my time. But I actually hate wasting my time. That is part of why I like to stick to my reliable girls.I shouldn't have said "I have wasted money on ugly girls," as I can turn down ugly girls without hesitation. But rather I have wasted money on those girls who switch personality as soon as they pocket the money, if you know what I mean.
RandomWalker
02-05-21, 12:06
So I've read that the quarantine rules have been relaxed in the end of January, hence adaptive quarantine, orange alert level, yada yada. So they say that now bars and cafes are allowed to operate till 22:00, however, discos and entertainment places are still closed. I guess "entertainment / disco" also includes strip clubs? Does anyone currently on the ground know?).
I shouldn't have said "I have wasted money on ugly girls," as I can turn down ugly girls without hesitation. But rather I have wasted money on those girls who switch personality as soon as they pocket the money, if you know what I mean.Yes. That happens everywhere. But I have only given the girl the money beforehand maybe 3-4 times here. All the other girls I put the money on the table until the end. It cuts down somewhat on the personality changes. Of course I have had some poor service--especially kissing. But that has really been the exception and not the rule.
So I've read that the quarantine rules have been relaxed in the end of January, hence adaptive quarantine, orange alert level, yada yada. So they say that now bars and cafes are allowed to operate till 22:00, however, discos and entertainment places are still closed. I guess "entertainment / disco" also includes strip clubs? Does anyone currently on the ground know?).As I rode in previous messages, all places are open in clandestine way, they are closed from outside, but once you knock the door they open and you have party inside, I guess striclubs also.
Yes. That happens everywhere. But I have only given the girl the money beforehand maybe 3-4 times here. All the other girls I put the money on the table until the end. It cuts down somewhat on the personality changes. Of course I have had some poor service--especially kissing. But that has really been the exception and not the rule.Have you had any cases where as soon as you refused to give them money upfront, they left?
I think once someone here, I think it was Liljoey, wrote that a girl snatched the money on the table in the middle of sex and left?
As I rode in previous messages, all places are open in clandestine way, they are closed from outside, but once you knock the door they open and you have party inside, I guess striclubs also.This kind of behavior, in which clubs operates under the raider, makes me be wary and weary of Ukraine. This contributes to prolong the pandemic and push back the economic recovery.
In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.
Does Ukraine have any vaccination plan at all at this point? That is the only way out of this crisis. It sounds like Ukraine has long way to recover, which should make Yummy PL happy, LOL.
Have you had any cases where as soon as you refused to give them money upfront, they left?It has not been a problem for me so far. In fact, I have the money in an obvious place, but all except a small few have not even mentioned the money at all. At the end I pick the money up off the table and if it is convenient I put it in their purse or pocket, or if necessary hand it to them. As far as I can remember, even of the few that asked for the money beforehand, I have only ever had one girl count the money. This is also a strong indication that most of my girls are independents.
In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.Corruption and scams are absolutely rampant in Ukraine. Everywhere from the lowest in society up the the richest and most powerful. But it is in this type of environment that the best P4P thrives. Once a society is cleaned up, P4P opportunities go away. Germany is a rare and mostly sterile exception, but even opportunities in Germany would not be good if there were not feeder countries where conditions are not good.
This kind of behavior, in which clubs operates under the raider, makes me be wary and weary of Ukraine. This contributes to prolong the pandemic and push back the economic recovery.
In this regard I think Dramafree is correct to not like Ukraine.
Does Ukraine have any vaccination plan at all at this point? That is the only way out of this crisis. It sounds like Ukraine has long way to recover, which should make Yummy PL happy, LOL.Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.
Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.
Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.
Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.
Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.
Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.
Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.
Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.
Well, some EU countries are still in Green, including the country where I am.
I also believe in Pfizer and Moderna vaccines only, so if AstraZeneca vaccine comes around, I'm not sure what to do.
Corruption and scams are absolutely rampant in Ukraine. Everywhere from the lowest in society up the the richest and most powerful. This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?
I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.
Vaccination for frontline workers started in India last month. A few million already vaccinated. People over 50 years will start getting vaccine shot next month onwards. Every week that passed by reported a new low of cases. I guess people got herd immunity.
Cheers!
Have you ever looked at the official corona statistics in Ukraine? There are fewer sick people than in the rest of Europe. For Ukraine, every country is on the red list that has more diseases than Ukraine. So almost all of Europe is red.
Officially, the crisis is therefore almost over. What the reality looks like is of course a different matter. I already know a lot of girls who were sick with Corona. Everyone continued to work during the illness. They needed the money.
Of course, Ukraine has a vaccination schedule. We even buy vaccine. But in India. Where it's cheap. The vaccinations should start this month.
Otherwise, there will probably be exactly the same solution for vaccination cards as for many corona tests. You buy the result. You can already buy a package tour from a travel agency today. Negative Covid test included.
This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?
I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.My ex wife was Ukrainian. If you you want a drivers license you pay bribe. Good grades in uni, pay bribe. Because you are not seeing the corruption does not mean it does not exist.
RandomWalker
02-06-21, 18:33
This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?
I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.Once I was sightseeing in Kiev. So it's winter and at 8 pm I come next to the Golden gate, the only remainder of a 1000 yo city wall. The place is closed and I peer inside through an iron gate trying to discern something since it is already past dark. A guard comes to me and offers to open the museum for me for 20 hrivna I'm, like, let's do it!! I had only 50-nominal notes, so I give him 50, he opens up the place and says that he has no change, but he will exchange the money. I didn't really believe it but didn't care in the end. So I had a museum, albeit a small one, for myself, and the guy actually came back and gave me my change.
So sometimes corruption can be really hilarious, if you're not on the short end of the stick, most often you are, and then it isn't.
Iceberg, it is an honor just to be mentioned in one of your posts.
I'm a very fit 53 year old so not in a particularly high risk group, but I have zero fear of COVID. My Russian is horrible, but I guess it is getting better.
Kyiv is really good for me right now. I don't discourage anyone from coming except DramaFree who I know will have a horrible time.Thanks Yummy.
Thanks for clearing up about your Russian skills. I'm not sure why but I assumed you speak Russian well based on your reports. I had to read your previous report again with this correction in my head. Next time I am in Kiev I'll try to make some local friends and see how it goes.
I have had wonderful experience in Kiev so far and yes MP are my backups where I can unload anytime. I will be trying my game with some female tourguides as it is interesting to seduce them into the apartment. The scarcity of foreigners will make the game easier, I hope. It is very strict to go out and in Norway so I need to wait a bit.Just to give more information; I am 42 years old. In my opinion Kiev is much more young girls and Odessa is more divorced 30's with children. Normally I would never recommend Odessa for winter but one Turkish Captain that I talked in Kyiv recommended Odessa more. He was there just a week ago.
I have no problem interacting with you and honoring you, LOL.
I'm not too sure about your past posts, but I do have to wonder if you have had some abysmal or traumatic experiences in Kiev? If you have already talked about it in this thread, I would be interested in pointers such as year and months so that I could look them up. If you haven't, it'll be for the good of everybody else here.
I myself have not had such bad experience in Kiev. The biggest problem I've had was back in 2010 when my 600 USD cell phone was stolen by gypsies on street, but this is not really related to girls or p4p. Besides, 600 USD was reimbursed to me by my travel insurance company. I have certainly wasted some money on ugly girls in Kiev, but that is not so often and works as lesson to learn.
The biggest problem related to girls / p4p I've ever encountered was in Romania in 2004, and I lost about 200 USD.Sorry it willl be a too long post but in this quite and boring lockdown pandemy night, I have time enough to tell this story of scam. I was in Vegas in February 2017 and I went to Palamino Strip Club vegas. And my biggest scamming happened there during my entire career of mongering. (I am also suprpised not to share this experience in forum. I tried to search but couldn't find anything in USAsexguide. Maybe I did but can't find) I have to say proudly have been at least 20 countries and that was the worst thing happened to me. I took one friend and get in there with the usual Van service from the Mandarin Hotel (The famous shooting happened there in 2017-Remember) . We were happy enjoying the ride. During entrance one young guy about 20's took my attention because he wasnt behavouring normally. Smiling stupidly and look not so serious for such a place. You know staff in that kind of places not always very friendly. He was behaving like a child. But I didn't give a sheet, entered the club and started to enjoy the place. My friend was a Turkish man who lives in L. A. and the things going on there for him was usual and routine so he was unhappy and complaining always. I was so excited because I am always a big fan of strip clubs. I like to visit and compare them. My mind was in Ukraine and Russian strip clubs which has 5 times more beautiful girls and half price but it was also nice to have short brunette latin american girls. I must tell you that decoration in EE clubs always better. Strip clubs in US are sheet holes compared to them. Anyway one of the girls came and ask me to have a HJ for 60 usd in private and stupid me said yes. My coat was in the table and left it there with my wallet inside because I thought it would be more safe than in private dance room. My friend was sitting there in the table at the moment. We go up to the private dance room with the girl. I was so horny. Girl was trying to do it hiddenly due to camera and she give a little bit HJ for a whole 60 usd and I get out of the room. I saw my friend was also upstairs with another girl. I was so surprised becuase I wasnt expecting he did that because he was complaining and asking why we come to here, why we don't go and some stupid. Anyway I go back down to my table and look my coat but it wasnt there. I was at first calm. Thought that waiters take it to wardrobe. I go and check there but it wasnt there. My heart started to beat a little bit because my whole travel budget 1200 USD was inside my wallet in the pocket of my coat. We went to Vegas with 15 customers from Turkey for a company activity and after a few days they would go back to Turkey and I would visit my brother in S. F. And travel the USA for 10 days. Anyway I go to the bodyguards and they told me to wait. I was nearly go crazy and these guys make me wait nearly 15 minutes. Anyway at the end they came and offered to look cameras. Noone has seen my coat. . Stupid friend came down and I asked him my coat and he told me he didn't see it. He will not be responsible because I didn't tell him before I leave. It was obviously on table. I was more and more angry and frustrated. All my wallet expensive Earbuds and coat was gone. What should I tell to my boss. How could I pay the rest of my travel? It was my first time in USA. I was so worried and noone was doing anything. Bodyguards were searching, asking waitress. I told them if they can't find, I will call 911. They were telling me to cool down. I told them, I have to do that if they don't do that. I was walking up and down in front of club entrance and go back. It was about 30 minutes of stresfull moments. Maybe it was the worst 30 minutes of my life. Anyway suddenly I saw the young stupid guy in front of entrance door talking with Bodyguards with my earbuds in his ears and coat was on him. I run out of door and catched him and told 150 kg indian bodyguards that this is my coat. Stupid boy was smiling like an idiot, enjoying the music that he listen from my earbuds. Bodyguards took him and crashed on a wall outside, bended his arm. Stupid gave me back the coat. My wallet was there. I counted the money. All was there. Then I moved to give punch him in face but bodyguards stopped me. No no no hey. All I did was to say him Fck you stupid and he is let go. Bodyguards warned him not to come again. He had mental problems definitely. A normal person doesn't steal a coat from a strip club and come back there. If he was a real thief I would loose all my money. I know all I did was maybe more stupid then he did. Leave the coat in table with a guy you met a few days ago. Why did I carry all my cash in my coat's pocket. Anyway, I think it is due to heavy work and blood was not going to my brain in those days. So all in all what I will tell you is I really think USA is a nice and legal country but you will never what will happen in where. Personally I had very small bad things in Ukrain. It just your destiny and you will see what will happen if you can make it. Thanks for reading this and hope you all enjoyed.
Sorry it willl be a too long post but in this quite and boring lockdown pandemy night, I have time enough to tell this story of scam. I was in Vegas in February 2017 and I went to Palamino Strip Club vegas. And my biggest scamming happened there during my entire career of mongering. (I am also suprpised not to share this experience in forum. I tried to search but couldn't find anything in USAsexguide. Maybe I did but can't find) I have to say proudly have been at least 20 countries and that was the worst thing happened to me. I took one friend and get in there with the usual Van service from the Mandarin Hotel (The famous shooting happened there in 2017-Remember) . We were happy enjoying the ride. During entrance one young guy about 20's took my attention because he wasnt behavouring normally. Smiling stupidly and look not so serious for such a place. You know staff in that kind of places not always very friendly. He was behaving like a child. But I didn't give a sheet, entered the club and started to enjoy the place. My friend was a Turkish man who lives in L. A. and the things going on there for him was usual and routine so he was unhappy and complaining always. I was so excited because I am always a big fan of strip clubs. I like to visit and compare them. My mind was in Ukraine and Russian strip clubs which has 5 times more beautiful girls and half price but it was also nice to have short brunette latin american girls. I must tell you that decoration in EE clubs always better. Strip clubs in US are sheet holes compared to them. Anyway one of the girls came and ask me to have a HJ for 60 usd in private and stupid me said yes. My coat was in the table and left it there with my wallet inside because I thought it would be more safe than in private dance room. My friend was sitting there in the table at the moment. We go up to the private dance room with the girl. I was so horny. Girl was trying to do it hiddenly due to camera and she give a little bit HJ for a whole 60 usd and I get out of the room. I saw my friend was also upstairs with another girl. I was so surprised becuase I wasnt expecting he did that because he was complaining and asking why we come to here, why we don't go and some stupid. Anyway I go back down to my table and look my coat but it wasnt there. I was at first calm. Thought that waiters take it to wardrobe. I go and check there but it wasnt there. My heart started to beat a little bit because my whole travel budget 1200 USD was inside my wallet in the pocket of my coat. We went to Vegas with 15 customers from Turkey for a company activity and after a few days they would go back to Turkey and I would visit my brother in S. F. And travel the USA for 10 days. Anyway I go to the bodyguards and they told me to wait. I was nearly go crazy and these guys make me wait nearly 15 minutes. Anyway at the end they came and offered to look cameras. Noone has seen my coat. . Stupid friend came down and I asked him my coat and he told me he didn't see it. He will not be responsible because I didn't tell him before I leave. It was obviously on table. I was more and more angry and frustrated. All my wallet expensive Earbuds and coat was gone. What should I tell to my boss. How could I pay the rest of my travel? It was my first time in USA. I was so worried and noone was doing anything. Bodyguards were searching, asking waitress. I told them if they can't find, I will call 911. They were telling me to cool down. I told them, I have to do that if they don't do that. I was walking up and down in front of club entrance and go back. It was about 30 minutes of stresfull moments. Maybe it was the worst 30 minutes of my life. Anyway suddenly I saw the young stupid guy in front of entrance door talking with Bodyguards with my earbuds in his ears and coat was on him. I run out of door and catched him and told 150 kg indian bodyguards that this is my coat. Stupid boy was smiling like an idiot, enjoying the music that he listen from my earbuds. Bodyguards took him and crashed on a wall outside, bended his arm. Stupid gave me back the coat. My wallet was there. I counted the money. All was there. Then I moved to give punch him in face but bodyguards stopped me. No no no hey. All I did was to say him Fck you stupid and he is let go. Bodyguards warned him not to come again. He had mental problems definitely. A normal person doesn't steal a coat from a strip club and come back there. If he was a real thief I would loose all my money. I know all I did was maybe more stupid then he did. Leave the coat in table with a guy you met a few days ago. Why did I carry all my cash in my coat's pocket. Anyway, I think it is due to heavy work and blood was not going to my brain in those days. So all in all what I will tell you is I really think USA is a nice and legal country but you will never what will happen in where. Personally I had very small bad things in Ukrain. It just your destiny and you will see what will happen if you can make it. Thanks for reading this and hope you all enjoyed.The shooting happened at Mandalay Bay Hotel. I wouldn't even call this a scam because the culprit was a retard?
This is another thing I don't understand. I have lived in a city with population less than 500,000 in Ukraine for cumulatively over a year and thought that the Ukrainian people are so nice and nicer than people in 4 countries where I have lived more than 2 years each (mostly in advanced countries). Who and where are these corrupted people in Ukraine?
I have never experienced corruption in this city, and my neighbors, including girls, were very friendly, even though I hardly speak Russian or Ukrainian.On a one-on-one basis the people are wonderful. If I can actually get a real girl in a room with me, they are normally fantastic. I have emphasized that I have had wonderful experiences. I love the people I work with and the people I play with. Just wonderful experiences. Super nice, super friendly.
But I interact on Mamba and SA. So much scamming there. Really, I believe 80-90% of the "girls" that initially respond are scams.
As has been mentioned recent, bars and strip clubs, and even regular business completely ignore the rules and no body does anything about it. It is easy to get fake documents for anything.
And in my professional life, deep corruption in the public and private sector.
Sorbonne, you don't experience corruption in your personal life because you interact with real people in regular situations.
AntonySun1996
02-06-21, 20:24
Hi folks,
I need info regarding penalties for overstaying in Ukraine. I arrived in early October and am still in Ukraine, therefore I broke the 90-180 rules (you can stay no more than 90 days with in 180 day period). Anyone knows what to expect at the immigration when I'm leaving the country? What amount of fines do I need to pay? What about entry ban? Imprisonment?
Thanks.
Hi folks,
I need info regarding penalties for overstaying in Ukraine. I arrived in early October and am still in Ukraine, therefore I broke the 90-180 rules (you can stay no more than 90 days with in 180 day period). Anyone knows what to expect at the immigration when I'm leaving the country? What amount of fines do I need to pay? What about entry ban? Imprisonment?
Thanks.I also under the Quranteen overstayed some days.
All fines was deleted due to the Quranteen.
According to the rules there should be not given fines under the quranteen.
But if you want to be 100% sure then go to facebook and Expat in ukraine.
Ask the Question with as much information you can / will give and people will help you there.
There is some lawyers who help alot there. Tasos tsiamis Normally give alot of free advices that are very correct.
And if you ever need a lawyer he is good and work the western way but charge a normal price and probbaly less then alot of other lawyers here in ukrain.
I also under the Quranteen overstayed some days.
All fines was deleted due to the Quranteen.
According to the rules there should be not given fines under the quranteen.
But if you want to be 100% sure then go to facebook and Expat in ukraine.
Ask the Question with as much information you can / will give and people will help you there.
There is some lawyers who help alot there. Tasos tsiamis Normally give alot of free advices that are very correct.
And if you ever need a lawyer he is good and work the western way but charge a normal price and probbaly less then alot of other lawyers here in ukrain.Bound for a correctional facility.
Jokes aside, I thought that if you had entered Ukraine before the quarantine started, you could stay until the quarantine ends plus 30 more days without penalty. If you entered Ukraine during the time of quarantine, 90-180 rules apply.
The quarantine started in Ukraine last March and is still continuing, I believe.
The rules may have changed. Also the amount of penalty could have changed during quarantine. I do not know. But you can use your credit card at the airport to pay for the penalty.
Bound for a correctional facility.
Jokes aside, I thought that if you had entered Ukraine before the quarantine started, you could stay until the quarantine ends plus 30 more days without penalty. If you entered Ukraine during the time of quarantine, 90-180 rules apply.
The quarantine started in Ukraine last March and is still continuing, I believe.
The rules may have changed. Also the amount of penalty could have changed during quarantine. I do not know. But you can use your credit card at the airport to pay for the penalty.The real problem is that there is not a clear ruleset on this.
Som epeople have been fined, and some haven't, where the situation was the same.
Its always not good to overstay, and I Only did it because I knew when icame back to my country I would go make a the visa for an long term residency in Ukrain, so even if I got fined and blocked from renter the the visa would let me in.
The real problem is that there is not a clear ruleset on this.
Som epeople have been fined, and some haven't, where the situation was the same.
Its always not good to overstay, and I Only did it because I knew when icame back to my country I would go make a the visa for an long term residency in Ukrain, so even if I got fined and blocked from renter the the visa would let me in.When you once overstayed, were you actually fined AND blocked from re-entry, before you applied for the long term residency?
A few years ago when I unwittingly overstayed by 2 days, I was fined about 60 USD at the airport, but when I asked if I could come back the next day, they said yes.
Last year, I entered Ukraine right before the quarantine started and stayed there for 6 1/2 months. So under normal circumstances I would have overstayed by 3 1/2 months. When I left Ukraine, however, I was detained at the airport, but after only a few minutes the officer realized that I did so within the rules they established, so I was let go without being imposed any penalty.
If you want to be sure, what you should do is to call your local immigration office in Ukraine. That's what I did, so I was certain I should not be fined. But, as always, it ultimately depends on the officer you deal with at the airport, so I had the phone number of the English-speaking local immigration officer handy at least so that I could argue back to the officer!
I'm overstaying since July of last year and plan to just pay the modest fine when I leave. My cover story will be that I only planned to stay 90 days but then I became terrified of possibly catching covid in a crowded airport, so I thought it was safer to do as all the governments advised and stay where I was until the pandemic was over. And then I'll repeat that I'm sorry for overstaying and promise never to overstay again. 100% certain there will be no penalty other than modest fine ($200 or so). So I'll be able to return to Ukraine after leaving, after being out 90 days.
UkeBoy advised that the fine should be paid by card (cash possible, but involves long delay) so make sure you have a card that works properly in Ukraine.
As for activities here, I'm with that same girl. Sex continues excellent and the proof is that I have zero interest in other women right now. My girl is now 30 and looks it both in body and face, but it doesn't reduce my attraction to her. She's still 30' years younger since I'm now 60. She joined me swimming in the Dnieper on Jan 19 (annual event in Orthodox countries). Air was about -13C then, but water was like +3C, so felt warm. I continue to pay ₴5000 per visit, two visits per week, plus bonuses now and then, so she's doing pretty well off me.
The shooting happened at Mandalay Bay Hotel. I wouldn't even call this a scam because the culprit was a retard?Yes he was a retarded person so you are right from another point of view. But what I mean was, that was the worst thing happened to me ever.
Yes he was a retarded person so you are right from another point of view. But what I mean was, that was the worst thing happened to me ever.Wow that was a close call. You did well to keep your wits about you when the shit hit the fan.
Your posts on this thread have been fantastic! Really great to read them, thanks Iceberg!
Silent reader of the forum. Any chance you can post a pic of her crop the body. Eager to see what she looks like. Fan of good fine women.
I hope you don't mind. Thanks.
I'm overstaying since July of last year and plan to just pay the modest fine when I leave. My cover story will be that I only planned to stay 90 days but then I became terrified of possibly catching covid in a crowded airport, so I thought it was safer to do as all the governments advised and stay where I was until the pandemic was over. And then I'll repeat that I'm sorry for overstaying and promise never to overstay again. 100% certain there will be no penalty other than modest fine ($200 or so). So I'll be able to return to Ukraine after leaving, after being out 90 days.
UkeBoy advised that the fine should be paid by card (cash possible, but involves long delay) so make sure you have a card that works properly in Ukraine.
As for activities here, I'm with that same girl. Sex continues excellent and the proof is that I have zero interest in other women right now. My girl is now 30 and looks it both in body and face, but it doesn't reduce my attraction to her..
PhotoSlider
02-08-21, 20:47
...the Golden gate, the only remainder of a 1000 yo city wall...Yes indeed, it is the only visible remainder of the city wall, first mentioned in 1018, and built probably in 1011-1012. Batu Khan destroyed it with the whole city in 1240. Gates restored in 1982 for 1500 years anniversary of Kiev. You definitely saw the impressive remnants of the original masonry inside the museum.
Some of the wall actually can still be seen in the downtown landscape, as it goes along the streets of Yaroslaviv Val, Malopidvalna, Kostyolna, and then around Andreevskaya Church, and Peyzazhna towards L'vivska Square and back to the Gates. There is none of the woodwork left, and all the visible stones have been recycled over the centuries, but diamond-shaped perimeter of so called City of Yaroslav the Wise can still be found, and storming that steep fortress was rather difficult in the day.
The above admittedly has little value for this Forum. Yet, I found it a great walk with the girl to see if she has good enough manners. Lots of great cafes and restaurants along the way, other places of interest. Some young ladies got bored and were sent away, some were genuinely interested, and with some we walked over, or ended up in the taxi on the way to my place.
Golden Gate Museum has great corners for a kiss with Ukrainian beauty as a prologue, before deciding where to take her for a dinner, or call for another one altogether. In fact there are at least 3 salon-apartments and 3 adult massage establishments along the way, where arrangements can be made in a much more expedited manner, with minimal courtship.
My ex wife was Ukrainian. If you you want a drivers license you pay bribe. Good grades in uni, pay bribe. Because you are not seeing the corruption does not mean it does not exist.
I did not see this GDreams' post until just now. ISG is weird. Sometimes posts don't get posted chronologically, I think.
To think about it, I myself posted here several months ago saying Ukraine is a country where you bribe human resource to get a job. In this instance I met a man who told me he had to pay a bribe when he got a job.
So my point was that of course I have heard of corruptions but have not encountered it myself.
DramaFree11
02-09-21, 03:59
I did not see this GDreams' post until just now. ISG is weird. Sometimes posts don't get posted chronologically, I think.
To think about it, I myself posted here several months ago saying Ukraine is a country where you bribe human resource to get a job. In this instance I met a man who told me he had to pay a bribe when he got a job.
So my point was that of course I have heard of corruptions but have not encountered it myself.None of this should be a surprise. Kiev is full of corruption and scams. Some choose to ignore it or claims it does not exist, on this page.
Once I was sightseeing in Kiev. So it's winter and at 8 pm I come next to the Golden gate, the only remainder of a 1000 yo city wall. The place is closed and I peer inside through an iron gate trying to discern something since it is already past dark. A guard comes to me and offers to open the museum for me for 20 hrivna I'm, like, let's do it!! I had only 50-nominal notes, so I give him 50, he opens up the place and says that he has no change, but he will exchange the money. I didn't really believe it but didn't care in the end. So I had a museum, albeit a small one, for myself, and the guy actually came back and gave me my change.
So sometimes corruption can be really hilarious, if you're not on the short end of the stick, most often you are, and then it isn't.I did not see this post until just now, either.
To counter what I just said, I realize that, although I could claim that I had not encountered any corruption in Ukraine, I have contributed to corruption myself because I have bribed train conductors almost each time I took long-distance trains in Ukraine. I believe this is a fairly common practice among foreigners in Ukraine because if you don't speak the language, it could get very difficult to buy train tickets in advance. But it is getting easier lately as the tech improves both offline and online.
But the last time I took a long distance train in Ukraine this conductor told me that I needed to pay 2000 UAH before I got on the train. After negotiating it down to 1000 UAH, I got on the train. But when the conductor actually came to collect the money, I was surprised that he asked me for only 200 UAH, which was the actual cost of the ticket. It was around the time Zelensky was elected, so at that time I thought maybe corruption in Ukraine was finally coming to close.
I shouldn't be ashamed of myself for contributing to the corruption in Ukraine because even our current president Biden and his family seem to have done the same.
When you once overstayed, were you actually fined AND blocked from re-entry, before you applied for the long term residency?
A few years ago when I unwittingly overstayed by 2 days, I was fined about 60 USD at the airport, but when I asked if I could come back the next day, they said yes.
Last year, I entered Ukraine right before the quarantine started and stayed there for 6 1/2 months. So under normal circumstances I would have overstayed by 3 1/2 months. When I left Ukraine, however, I was detained at the airport, but after only a few minutes the officer realized that I did so within the rules they established, so I was let go without being imposed any penalty.
If you want to be sure, what you should do is to call your local immigration office in Ukraine. That's what I did, so I was certain I should not be fined. But, as always, it ultimately depends on the officer you deal with at the airport, so I had the phone number of the English-speaking local immigration officer handy at least so that I could argue back to the officer!I didn't get A fine which I also should not, it took 15 minutes longer at borer control because they had to do something to reset the system and cancle the fine for me.
I wasnt banned or anything also, but the next time I came with a the visum to obtain my TRP status.
Pokeristi21
02-10-21, 03:46
Hi guys,
Planning a trip to Kiev with one of my guy friends for partying and mongering.
The plan is to pipeline on Tinder and possibly Instagram. Got any tips on texts to write the girls?
Cheers guys.
Hi,
In my last trip, it was relatively easy to find apartments with girls, you only talk to a taxi driver and specify your budget. Apparently there are apartments for different budges. I took some of 2000 and one of 3000 hryvnia for 1 hour, quality was pretty good even for the 2000 hryvnia. The 3000 hryvnia has better furniture but girls quality was not that much higher. Girls between 18 and 24 years old, from average to very good looking.
This was 1 year ago, so if you could advise me where to find good apartments with nice girls this would help me a lot. Please share with me at least the street name, I can ask the taxi driver and give the street name as reference, probably he will know the place.
This time I have more time to explore, so I would like to try the university students (semi-pro). However, it has been very hard to find one on the internet, Mamba for instance is full of fake profiles trying to grab your money for nothing. Any advice or referrals on university students? Thanks in advance.
I did not see this post until just now, either.
I have contributed to corruption myself because I have bribed train conductors almost each time I took long-distance trains in Ukraine. I believe this is a fairly common practice among foreigners in Ukraine because if you don't speak the language, it could get very difficult to buy train tickets in advance. .I never had a problem booking train tickets here https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en/.
What are the most reliable and least expensive escort sites in Kiev?
PhotoSlider
02-11-21, 22:27
What are the most reliable and least expensive escort sites in Kiev?1. Mutually exclusive: most reliable and least expensive.
2. "Reliable escort sites in Kiev" - such category doesn't exist in reality.
GIA used to be a better than 50% chance 4-5 years ago. Not cheap. Changed ownership and went down in quality.
Most of the marketing moved to messengers and IG.
2-3 days in Kiev is like going to Vegas to play blackjack and expecting to win big. These days, without reliable contacts established in the past, I wouldn't bother going for a short term visit.
If you have 3-4 weeks to spare, then you may browse back about 3-4 years until now on this Forum to get an idea. Approach has been explained many times.
I've been away for an extended period of time, but troops on the ground report casting a wide net on Mamba, SeekingArrangements and Tinder results in occasional hits. And some of the shots do miss the target. Yet, according to trusted sources there are gems, genuinely willing to partake.
RTFF. Read the Forum. Pay for membership to exchange Private Messages.
I never had a problem booking train tickets here https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en/.
Yes, but as I said in my sentence TeFab456 omitted in quoting me, online booking is a recent thing.
The last time I bribed train conductor, I needed to jump on the train urgently at the Kiev Vokzal and didn't have time to buy ticket. The ticket counters stopped selling tickets about 15 minutes before trains left. I'm not sure about today, but they still did that only a few years ago.
My landlord says all his 10+ apartments are booked for the weekend. It has not happened for a long time. It seems the ladies would be having a surge in customers and the tables are turning after months and months of more supply than demand. I was one of the lucky guys who suddenly found beautiful teenagers practically asking for shelter overnight.
It seems the ladies would be having a surge in customers and the tables are turning after months and months of more supply than demand.That is a bloody disaster! I'm planning a return trip shortly so was hoping that the oversupply situation would still be the case.
RandomWalker
02-13-21, 22:25
My landlord says all his 10+ apartments are booked for the weekend. It has not happened for a long time. It seems the ladies would be having a surge in customers and the tables are turning after months and months of more supply than demand. I was one of the lucky guys who suddenly found beautiful teenagers practically asking for shelter overnight.In my home town all 5* hotels are booked for this weekend, but it's St. Valentine's day. They were completely empty just two days ago and (most probably) will be empty again on the 15th; the same might be happening in Kiev. I see that 250 apartments are available for this weekend on booking.com, 500 for the next, and 600 after 2 weeks. That said, I seem to remember seeing close to 900 available apartments at some point this winter, so yeah, maybe the number of travelers really goes up.
Ivan Buyan
02-15-21, 12:01
What are the most reliable and least expensive escort sites in Kiev?I came across ads on this forum and decided to give it a try (OMG escorts that works thru Telegram messenger). So basically this is escorts service inside Telegram. They have few hundred girls. I can not say it is least expensive but here's a gem how to make it cheaper.
Invite a girl from another city!
Their prices per night range from $250 to $1 k+ and Kyiv girls are usually more expensive.
I invited one girl from Odessa (contacted her first and paid some extra for her tickets and she came to Kyiv). The price was very reasonable (even with that extra for the tickets) and I did bargain.
I am having another date this weekend with another girl from Dnepr and plan to do so with Kharkiv very soon.
Enjoy!
I came across ads on this forum and decided to give it a try (OMG escorts that works thru Telegram messenger). So basically this is escorts service inside Telegram. They have few hundred girls....
Invite a girl from another city!
...How did you get access to this Telegram channel and do you need to speak Russian to use it?
I'm planning a return to Kyiv in March, so need to plan meets pretty soon.
I have been in Kiev a couple of days. Wanted to give my initial impressions so far:
Mint Rhino strip club. Went here after my flight. They want around 100 entrance plus a deposit for drinks. 500 for stage, 2500 for sofa. This comes off your drinks bill, but they "forgot" to take it off and so did I. Steep considering it was empty. I got a stage seat, had a few private dances at 500 a pop. Zero action beyond excellent private dance, touching allowed. Asked security guy too after tipping him. Sounded pretty clear no take-out, no extras. But maybe your millage will vary. Girls were in the 7-8 range by my scale.
SA. One girl came over same day, clearly a pro but sweet. Age 22. Hung out for a few hours, decent sex very GFE. Few more lined up.
Topless Club massage. Paid 3 k for 2 girls 1.5 hours. As others have said, a good reliable standard and I got lucky with 2 pretty & sexy girls. Only 3 lined up, the 3rd was older and not pretty. Photos via WhatsApp were genuine.
Hope this small report helps, I will update if anything else interesting happens.
Slightly OT question. Any recommendations for a place for a drink, good atmosphere but not a club? Like decent bars or pubs? Not necessarily for meeting women, just for general drinking. I speak zero Ukrainian so English speaking staff ideally. I'm near Palats Ukraine but obviously can Uber.
I have been in Kiev a couple of days. Wanted to give my initial impressions so far:
Mint Rhino strip club. Went here after my flight. They want around 100 entrance plus a deposit for drinks. 500 for stage, 2500 for sofa. This comes off your drinks bill, but they "forgot" to take it off and so did I. Steep considering it was empty. I got a stage seat, had a few private dances at 500 a pop. Zero action beyond excellent private dance, touching allowed. Asked security guy too after tipping him. Sounded pretty clear no take-out, no extras. But maybe your millage will vary. Girls were in the 7-8 range by my scale.Nice to listen again from my favorite strip club, I enjoyed lot of nice nights in this place, tell me, dancers or people inside uses mask?
PhotoSlider
02-18-21, 02:40
I have been in Kiev a couple of days. Wanted to give my initial impressions so far...That is seriously a role model Forum member. His first ever post, and instead of asking to spoon-feed him, and complaining how terrible Kiev is, he writes a well-balanced report. Very nice.
There are probably 5-7 different Rhinos throughout the City: Mint, Star, etc. Action is great there, but no FS, and no takeout. These are essentially for squeeze-them-tourists-dry purposes. Takeout spots used to be Rio, and affiliated Scarlett.
I do not know good pubs. Well, there are certainly plenty. I personally like "Avalon", which is more of a restaurant. They also have more than one bar, karaoke, and more. On Leontovicha Street, next to Rio strip bar, and not too far from National Opera Theater.
It is not a pick-up place, and is not cheap, but can be made reasonable. And it is IMHO one of the best for people watching. Mayor of the City, Heavyweight boxing champion Klitschko goes there regularly, and many others. Interesting conversations. Children of local rich people with their bodyguards nearby trying to seduce girls. Or jaded Pro of about 32 swearing like a seaman at her lover, saying that he only fucks her, and all holidays she's alone, while he celebrates with his family. But usually it is a decent crowd, well behaving.
Food is excellent. American, Asian, Ukrainian, anything. Beer, good wine selection, hard liquor, cocktails. Service is great. 2 sommeliers. Live music, great club house DJs. Used to be 24 x 7 x 365.
Many waiters and management speak English, and you may ask them for an advise of visiting a good pub or a sports bar. Not sure if they would consider it rerouting to competition, but you may try.
From Palats Ukraina it is about 30 minutes walk or 1-2 stations on Metro / Subway.
Topless had a line-up of no less than 12 girls for me in August 2019. A few were great. One of them gave me her phone number because I didn't let her to touch penis. Hehehe. Ended up meeting her many times later. But I do speak fluent Russian.
Best of luck with your visit.
Nice to listen again from my favorite strip club, I enjoyed lot of nice nights in this place, tell me, dancers or people inside uses mask?No, no masks on anyone. Place was "closed" but I walked up the steps and the door opened. They're trying to keep the music quiet to be discreet. I left at 2 AM.
Ivan Buyan
02-18-21, 10:48
Hey buddy,
So I used to have my office near Palats Ukraine, so can suggest on few places I visited and enjoyed.
1) Eshak. Super expensive with good service and awesome food (compared to average Kyiv price) but! A lot of escort girls and a lot of gangster looking guys, sometimes with guards. So you can give it a try if you want to feel what a top restaurant in 90-s could look like.
2) RibaPila (google it) - very good seafood cafe.
3) Odessa. Very old but totally renovated restaurant with great atmosphere (IMHO), totally recommend.
4) Spicy ni Spicy. Good Asian food if you like it.
5) Eastman. A place with great food next to Eshak. Not sure if they work though.
I have been in Kiev a couple of days. Wanted to give my initial impressions so far:
Mint Rhino strip club. Went here after my flight. They want around 100 entrance plus a deposit for drinks. 500 for stage, 2500 for sofa. This comes off your drinks bill, but they "forgot" to take it off and so did I. Steep considering it was empty. I got a stage seat, had a few private dances at 500 a pop. Zero action beyond excellent private dance, touching allowed. Asked security guy too after tipping him. Sounded pretty clear no take-out, no extras. But maybe your millage will vary. Girls were in the 7-8 range by my scale.
SA. One girl came over same day, clearly a pro but sweet. Age 22. Hung out for a few hours, decent sex very GFE. Few more lined up.
Topless Club massage. Paid 3 k for 2 girls 1.5 hours. As others have said, a good reliable standard and I got lucky with 2 pretty & sexy girls. Only 3 lined up, the 3rd was older and not pretty. Photos via WhatsApp were genuine..
Slightly OT question. Any recommendations for a place for a drink, good atmosphere but not a club? Like decent bars or pubs? Not necessarily for meeting women, just for general drinking. I speak zero Ukrainian so English speaking staff ideally. I'm near Palats Ukraine but obviously can Uber.Book a local tour guide. If it's a girl don't creep on her. Ask the guide to show you the local speakeasies, say your requirements and you'll get a personal intro to the doormen etc.
Topless Club massage. Paid 3 k for 2 girls 1.5 hours. As others have said, a good reliable standard and I got lucky with 2 pretty & sexy girls. Only 3 lined up, the 3rd was older and not pretty. What did this 3 k get you exactly?
What did this 3 k get you exactly?Supposed to be shower with 1 girl before, 1 girl after. But I only got the 1 after. Then erotic massage 2 girls, fully nude with touching and kissing body only and happy ending.
Then a regular massage from both girls, which was a bit weird as one girl had talent and the other really didn't. But still enjoyable.
Finally another quick erotic massage, a bit of a lame girl on girl and another happy ending.
Both girls were attractive and had good attitudes and I left satisfied.
PhotoSlider
02-18-21, 20:52
Supposed to be shower with 1 girl before, 1 girl after. But I only got the 1 after. Then erotic massage 2 girls, fully nude with touching and kissing body only and happy ending.
Then a regular massage from both girls, which was a bit weird as one girl had talent and the other really didn't. But still enjoyable.
Finally another quick erotic massage, a bit of a lame girl on girl and another happy ending.
Both girls were attractive and had good attitudes and I left satisfied.Sex, even oral at massage place is out of the question. The best I was ever able to achieve was DFK and DATY, guess because I am Brad Pitt's twin.
Keep in mind, massage girls definitely do not consider themselves prostitutes, and are proud of that.
Getting the girls phone number under the premise of giving the payment directly to her and eliminating the management percentage, that's easier. Then one thing can lead to another, inevitably ending in bed. Seducing generous permanent customer is a matter of honor for some of the girls. That's how they compete with other young Ukrainian ladies when interested in securing this particular source of income. Pussy runs the World around.
The Mercy Seat
02-18-21, 21:11
I like O'Brien's bar. It is a Irish bar. Some girls speak English there. I come there to watch football. Good beers and decent food.
I have been in Kiev a couple of days. Wanted to give my initial impressions so far:
Mint Rhino strip club. Went here after my flight. They want around 100 entrance plus a deposit for drinks. 500 for stage, 2500 for sofa. This comes off your drinks bill, but they "forgot" to take it off and so did I. Steep considering it was empty. I got a stage seat, had a few private dances at 500 a pop. Zero action beyond excellent private dance, touching allowed. Asked security guy too after tipping him. Sounded pretty clear no take-out, no extras. But maybe your millage will vary. Girls were in the 7-8 range by my scale.
SA. One girl came over same day, clearly a pro but sweet. Age 22. Hung out for a few hours, decent sex very GFE. Few more lined up.
Topless Club massage. Paid 3 k for 2 girls 1.5 hours. As others have said, a good reliable standard and I got lucky with 2 pretty & sexy girls. Only 3 lined up, the 3rd was older and not pretty. Photos via WhatsApp were genuine.
Hope this small report helps, I will update if anything else interesting happens.
PhotoSlider
02-18-21, 21:45
Book a local tour guide. If it's a girl don't creep on her. Ask the guide to show you the local speakeasies, say your requirements and you'll get a personal intro to the doormen etc.Showaround has a smartphone app and web interface. I used it. Great for the above purpose, I didn't expect getting sex out of it, and my impression that's not what it's for. VinDici explained that service positioning perfectly.
Showaround has a smartphone app and web interface. I used it. Great for the above purpose, I didn't expect getting sex out of it, and my impression that's not what it's for. VinDici explained that service positioning perfectly.Thanks for all the tips gents. Man the girls on show around are hot, I might need to pick a dude just to not get in trouble!
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.
Thanks for all the tips gents. Man the girls on show around are hot, I might need to pick a dude just to not get in trouble!That's why I said not to creep on them, they hate it and will leave you a bad review. Then you'll have to build your profile up again from scratch.
Thanks for all the tips gents. Man the girls on show around are hot, I might need to pick a dude just to not get in trouble!
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.I don't think you will have a problem with this, in any case, you can explain that you are an English teacher who offers private lessons at home.
Thanks for all the tips gents. Man the girls on show around are hot, I might need to pick a dude just to not get in trouble!
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.Ahh yes the local watchdog.
If you will stay there long then get on the good side with her.
Box of good chocolate or something like that.
Maybe 1 time a week.
PhotoSlider
02-20-21, 00:03
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.I had two occasions like this.
One was a Cerberus elevator lady, trying to discipline me, because I had a kaleidoscope of obviously hourly girls for hire passing by few times every day and night. I politely asked her to please stop, and she did.
Another case was precisely my AirBnB apartment manager lady and her husband. They changed my bed linens every 3-4 days, and it just so happened that over the duration of 6 weeks I introduced them to a different girl on their every visit. But once I sent my concubine to get a pedicure, first ever in her life. Totally like a loss of innocence. AirBnB gentleman arrived, looked around, and literally ask Why am I so proudly alone today?
Bottomline: you are expected to have multiple girls in Kiev. As long as you do not throw a TV out of the window like Axel Rose, your having female entourage is totally normal.
Lucky Nuts
02-20-21, 00:12
Thanks for all the tips gents. Man the girls on show around are hot, I might need to pick a dude just to not get in trouble!
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.Whatever you tell her she is going to know what is actually going on. I would bring her a bag of sweet bakery items a couple times a week to thank her for doing a fine job.
Edit: Oh darn I see Hestendk beat me to the punch on that idea lol
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.Believe me, the host is well aware what happens in their beds).
Many buildings have a lady like that. She won't be much hassles, in fact, she's your best help in some situations. So just keep her happy.
When I first time enter a new building, I'll greet, but I'll keep distance and a stern look. After that, when I leave the flat first time, she'll some kind of individually packed praliné (filled chocolate). Same on every following day, once when I leave. Only one piece. Always a noticeable western brand. Never bought locally, but brought from the west. They know the difference. If she's not in her office, I'll place it at the window. It works every time.
Believe me, the host is well aware what happens in their beds). ...... It works every time.What does it work? They are called concierge and from what I understand, they are not monitoring the inhabitants or their guests, but the eventual unwanted traffic from street. They sometimes offer services, like drinking water for the flats, so you won't have to carry bottles from Billa. I once forgot my keycard inside the apartment when I in the middle of the night had to go down and open main door for two new girls. As many of those babushkas do, she was sleeping during the night on a couch in her booth, and helped me call an emergency-service to open my apartment. No charge from either of them, and they did not blink at the presence of two young girls, taking turns to sit on my lap most of the time (there was only one seat in the lobby! So no need to worry. They are your best friend, and I always leave 100-200 uah with them on my last day, so they will remember me next time. A box of sweets is also nice gesture. And one funny story to end this rant: there were two-three policemen sitting in the „lobby" on my arrival, and kept sitting there for several more days. I found out that there hat been some violence in the house before I came, and the officers offered this security for the inhabitants. Girls visiting me kept wondering about this presence, but I told them not to worry, they were my bodyguards because of my connections to the mafia! They liked that!
Couple of additional reports:
I went to Penthouse strip club, the one that isn't in Area City. In a word, awful. Girls ranged from 1-5 by my scale. I was the only customer and what could have been pleasant enthusiasm just turned into pushy and embarrassing, with the whole place focused on me. If these were the girls from mint nosorog, that wouldn't be a bad thing. But these girls were ugly and 1 or 2 of them would have a hard time as street hookers let alone strippers. As others have mentioned, sex is on offer. They told me 2500 for a massage and 5 k for 1 hours sex. I wouldn't have done that if it was included in the entrance price.
Anyway, on I went to Salon Dream massage. Only 1 girl available but fortunately she was a very attractive 22 year old so I booked 2 hours for 2500. She was great. As is obvious by now, no sex. Just 2 enthusiastic handjobs, a legitimately good massage and some fondling.
I have another SA meetup tomorrow. One thing I noticed is there are only a few dozen girls really active right now. I chatted to a few that didn't go anywhere and a few that I'm trying to arrange something with and then I feel that well is dry for now. I tried Mamba but it's such a bad experience, I don't think I have the patience. Hoping this SA one clicks and I can just keep meeting the 2 SA girls I met by that point.
PhotoSlider
02-21-21, 07:41
...No charge from either of them, and they did not blink at the presence of two young girls, taking turns to sit on my lap most of the time (there was only one seat in the lobby! So no need to worry....I had a girl from upscale agency, that gave me her phone number to meet again, which we did, cutting out her management fee. It just so happened that after some ballet and dinner, she went to my place, and without further discussion decided to stay overnight. Except I forgot to tell her that at 6 am my driver would take me to the airport. So, I sent a WhatsApp message to my AirBnB lady, saying that she doesn't have to meet me at 5:30 am, and the key will be given to her at 12 noon, during regular checkout. She right away asked if I am with a girl? I confirmed that I am with a classy well-mannered one, who I know and trust. Adjustments were made, except later on the girl notified me that she left her stiletto shoes behind. So, back from USA I made arrangements for landlady to meet with my lady of interest, and FMS (fuck-me-shoes) have been properly recovered.
One thing to remember though, - do not make advancements towards your AirBnB landlady, no matter how sexy and flirty she is. I did give an extra ticket to Theater of Operetta we had, and she was very grateful, but sat away from us. And yes, on few occasions she saw me returning with different girls, and complemented on my outfit. Kiev expects normal interactions between the representatives of opposite gender.
Anyway, keep it kosher, gentlemen.
PhotoSlider
02-22-21, 20:22
I like O'Brien's bar. It is a Irish bar. Some girls speak English there. I come there to watch football. Good beers and decent food.Win Bar at Podol has good atmosphere, classy food, excellent bartenders, great drinks. Went there many times.
For watching young talent I simply go to any Puzata Hata downtown. Lots of students going in and out, decent very cheap food. Fast service. They sell beer, but it is more of a fast food cafe.
I have another question for those with local experience. The building where my Airbnb is has an old lady that works there (host called her the cleaner). She keenly watches everyone come in and out all day and evening. Should I be worried she will tell my Airbnb host there's a string of girls turning up? She doesn't speak a work of English nor me Ukrainian, but she knows where I'm staying and gave me the key.I normally never get a hotel. I use apartments instead. But because I am hesitant to bring a girl to the apartment for a few reasons, I have started using Ibis City Center for one night stays. They allow check in at noon and they don't care who you bring up to your room as long as you are booked double occupancy. At about 850 UAH a night, hard to beat for a short stay. Today I met a new girl for coffee and then two new girls for intimate time over the span of 8 hours. Same young lady at the desk the whole time and nothing but helpful and friendly words.
PhotoSlider
02-24-21, 01:09
...I have started using Ibis City Center for one night stays...It is funny that Ibis (pronounced more like Yebis') in Russian means something like "Go fucking!
Ukraine has been blacklisted by seeking arrangement! Is it because of too many girls asking for money transfer?
Ukraine has been blacklisted by seeking arrangement! Is it because of too many girls asking for money transfer?Yeah very weird, says something like "country not allowed". They first told me it's a bug, then came back and told me actually it's blocked. But it kind-of still works if I remove all other locations, set Kiev as default and reset the search. Hope they don't lock it down further.
I've had good success in just over a week, 2 SA meetups and lots more transferred to Viber or WhatsApp that seem legit.
I also ended up fucking one of the massage girls. Basically by treating her really nicely, sharing a bottle of wine first, giving her a little massage. Just romancing her a bit. She really responded to it and when we moved from couch to bed the massage went out the window and I got a blowjob and sex. This was the 2nd time I saw her. Maybe the approach will help anyone else who is prepared to put in the effort.
DramaFree11
02-25-21, 03:23
Ukraine has been blacklisted by seeking arrangement! Is it because of too many girls asking for money transfer?Are you serious or is this a joke? Too funny.
PhotoSlider
02-25-21, 08:47
I also ended up fucking one of the massage girls. Basically by treating her really nicely, sharing a bottle of wine first, giving her a little massage. Just romancing her a bit. She really responded to it and when we moved from couch to bed the massage went out the window and I got a blowjob and sex. This was the 2nd time I saw her. Maybe the approach will help anyone else who is prepared to put in the effort.Now that I think about it, since 2013 I have sourced 4 girls through massage resulting in very good sex with all of them. Didn't realize it was that many.
One was too busy herself, but gave me a phone number of her close friend, and it became a long friendship, 6+ years now. When her friend telephoned her from that massage place, she asked to do what? And the friend answered:
- Accompany him at the theater, but don't you do anything of your usual, he is nice.
We didn't discuss money or even going to my place, it just naturally progressed. Spent 6 hours together, after sex I asked how much, and she was very shy asking for an equivalent of 100 dollars in UAH. That was 2014.20 years old, very tender and passionate. Long legs, size 3 breast, lovely body, beautiful lingerie. We are close friends now. She comes over when I am in Kiev, always calls first asking:
- Are you done with your Lolitas?
With two of the girls I received the massage on their premises first, and right away invited for an outcall massage at my place later in the day or next day, both were eager to get out and went for sex to my sincere surprise. The one in 2013 reached for BBBJ, and at the time I had certain reservations. That's when she exclaimed impatiently:
- Why you don't allow me!
She stayed overnight. We kept the contact ever since.
The other one in 2015 was actually administrator at that massage place, and pretended she never does sex with customers: why did I go for it! And then kiss in the street while my driver was awaiting to take me to the airport. Met her again many times.
And with the last one in 2019, I on purpose didn't press the issue because at the time I had a regular staying at my AirBnB. Then on our fourth or fifth date she took the initiative by saying: "I feel you want to invite me over, but are shy," and then, right after she seduced me, both of us laying in bed, catching a breath, she looks around my bedroom, and asks in a melancholic manner:
- Why you don't have a woman?
I almost fell off the bed laughing:
- I thought you and I are meeting.
Anyway, all 4 were excellent. Definitely much better than hourly call girls from agencies. Yes, masseuses see lots of dicks at the parlors. But they do not get sex, and even getting away from the office is an adventure for them. Treating them with respect is the key.
It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?
Are you serious or is this a joke? Too funny.
It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.
Good for the mongers as many of these girls look to find a sponsor from Dubai etc. If they are in real need of money they have to hook up with someone already in Ukraine and that ain't going to happen with exorbitant allowances.
Yes, it still works if you have your home set as Kiev. However, there is a drastic reduction of activity there with no new girls joined in about 2 weeks when it is normally 1-3 every day. Some girls are still logging on but very few. I assume not many men there now. It might be a tragedy. It might be an opportunity. I don't currently have a membership.
It is true but kgalt bro suggested a work around in a post below. Too many Ukrainian girls ask for money transfer on seeking. Has anyone else experienced this?It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.
DramaFree11
03-01-21, 17:00
It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.Yep, so true. Unbelievable how some guys claim scams are not an issue in Ukraine. It is real bad, newbies need to be very careful. There are scams everywhere. Restaurant, Stores and bars, so sad.
It's well beyond girls asking for money. SA Ukraine is a platform for scam enterprise. You literally have office space devoted to fleecing foreigners.This is probably true unless your location is set to Kiev. I've had a couple of scammers I reported but honestly not too bad. They are generally ignoring me and I assume fishing for guys outside of Ukraine.
In terms of real SBs actually in Kiev, I met 2 and have 1-2 more on WhatsApp that seem genuine. One seems to be an escort who asked for $300 and would only go to a hotel, not an apartment (didn't meet her).
...In terms of real SBs ....What is SB?
Thanks for the enlightenment.
And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.
Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?
I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.
And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.
Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?
Looking for girls online beforehand is starting to feel like second job.
So.
Would it be possible for those who know apartments (salons) where English is spoken and the girls are good enough ("pretty girl-next-door" should be acceptable indicator for almost everyone?) that they'd tell them here? And then it would just be work on the ground to find one's way to there.
Did something happen in Kiev with the apartments / salons last night? Seems like all my saved Telegram channels are inactive today, usually they will be online and answer 24/7.
Thanks for the enlightenment.
And this thread uses this term, SB, for a special kind of relationship between a local girl and a visiting lover? With some regular payments and gifts.
Or is it more a definition of the character or the looks of the girl?
I must say that I find it extremely unlikely that a girl will be exclusive companion for a tourist like me, even if I try to spend 5-10 weeks in Kyiv every year. My experience also teaches me this. The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irreistable to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.
And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.
Maybe you guys can better explain this to me. I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?I personally don't send any money to any girl even if I fucked her sever times in Kiev as I always paid her in a way or in another. I don't know what is your relationship with this girl but many of my friends during last year had received requests for economical help, which they refused at once and I would do the same.
Ukrainian girls are famous to be hungry for money and make up excuses (and cocks, of course), being said that anyone is free to do what they want with their money, is just my humble opinion.
I just finished transferring 4500 uah to my regular (two times visit), who got sacked from job and needed to pay rent. Her request seemed genuine to me, it is the first time I help her like this. Is she becoming a SB by some definition?You never know, but I guess she made the same "genuine" request to other 30 guys.
Is so common there, some freeby girls I met in badoo did the same request to me, but I never trusted.
PhotoSlider
03-03-21, 16:32
The remaining 40 or more weeks this girl almost certainly will find it irresistible to use her resources economically and try to make her lifestyle more luxurious by meeting other men in the absence of me.
And if she is not supposed to be exclusive, it must be a lot less expensive for me to pay a regular girl on an hourly or daily basis when I am in Kyiv.For most of the girls it is not about luxury, but rather making ends meet. I know, I know, many of them flash the latest iPhone model and Gucci purse bag, but more often than not it is money to pay rent, food, clothes.
You are absolutely correct, young women usually do not manage their resources economically, hence the opportunities for local males and incoming visitors.
There is no way the girl anywhere, Kiev included, would stay dedicated exclusively while her counterpart is away most of the year. They not only need money, but also social and physical interaction. Scams have nothing to do with this. If remote admirer decides to transfer rent money, the girl would be stupid not to accept it, but her diversifying with others doesn't mean she's unfaithful. Would marriage help? I mean, most of us are not that dumb to marry a girl that is 25-30-40 years younger. And even stamp in the passport doesn't guarantee anything. Up to both partners to keep it exclusive and exciting, no promises or official documents really mean anything except for potential headache and liability later on.
What's the solution? Go to Kiev in person, and have the different ones as often as your soul desires. Discussion on ISG Forum does not help to figure it out, paying them remotely does not. Only having sex with them directly, and rotating frequently does weed out the unreliable ones, and solidifies those temporarily of more interest to your personal needs. Dynamic optimization with moving targets in volatile environment. Trial and error. If you are bold enough, - move to Kiev, but that is not for faint hearted. I would. Currently contemplating the ifs.
One of my female acquaintances sent a Telegram message this past Friday, asking what I think of a certain iPhone model. I told her to buy two of them, and FedEx me one as a present. Hehehe. And still she doesn't let me go, even though I explicitly told her that she can meet others. While I am in Kiev, those boys call her throwing tantrums, but she chooses to stay with me because "They are all not nearly as special. You know how to court, and make me feel a woman. " Guess during my visits I improve her life more than they do.
Yes, I did send Western Union in the past. Trying not to do that anymore. My income is high, and I consider it a charity donation, certainly not an insurance against any of the girls being promiscuous.
Hey guys,
Will be in Kiev on the 25th till April 1st if anyone wants to hang out.
PhotoSlider
03-04-21, 21:26
...being said that anyone is free to do what they want with their money, is just my humble opinion.Well, there's one more aspect of it. Allegedly, me sending money in the past to some of those readily accommodating young ladies may have taken them off the market, or raised their going rate by making them less desperate for a week or so. Maybe true for some of them. There is never enough money in Kiev, and there's always a newer iPhone to buy for credit.
I prefer to redirect those requests to my reliable ISG buddies on the ground in Kiev, but preferably to those that I met in person. Same as HTTP code 301 - resource is not available anymore, has been reassigned to new URL)).
I have noticed that several of the massage places offer 'all night' options. This even though their sites expressly say 'no sex' and the menus preclude anything beyond an erotic massage. I just wonder what two naked people sharing a bed will find to do in a situation like that.
NRandom940
03-07-21, 21:30
It seems like Kiev has all the makings of a city that should be great for this. But it just isn't.
Been trying to message profiles from some of the common (and uncommon) escort sites. Most either don't respond or their number isn't even on WhatsApp despite the profile saying it is.
There's a sauna I know about where the girls aren't the best looking. I've gotten 1 response from a website profile. But I haven't gone to see her yet so I can't tell you if the pics are real.
I just wonder what two naked people sharing a bed will find to do in a situation like that.I'm sure they'll work it out.
Don't give up on Kiev. It takes some work but once you get into the groove, Kiev can be a blast. Takes one long visit or couple of short visits. Kiev has a lot of options.
It seems like Kiev has all the makings of a city that should be great for this. But it just isn't.
Been trying to message profiles from some of the common (and uncommon) escort sites. Most either don't respond or their number isn't even on WhatsApp despite the profile saying it is.
There's a sauna I know about where the girls aren't the best looking. I've gotten 1 response from a website profile. But I haven't gone to see her yet so I can't tell you if the pics are real.
For most of the girls it is not about luxury, but rather making ends meet. ........................My income is high, and I consider it a charity donation, certainly not an insurance against any of the girls being promiscuous.Beautifully said.
Did something happen in Kiev with the apartments / salons last night? Seems like all my saved Telegram channels are inactive today, usually they will be online and answer 24/7.Any update on this concern?
PhotoSlider
03-08-21, 18:33
Beautifully said.A wise man told me this about certain Ukrainian lady:
- She is not your girlfriend or wife.
Few other words have been added in private. I applied this concept to all of my overseas practice ever since. And life became so much more fulfilling and beautiful!
Thank you.
I have noticed that several of the massage places offer 'all night' options. This even though their sites expressly say 'no sex' and the menus preclude anything beyond an erotic massage. I just wonder what two naked people sharing a bed will find to do in a situation like that.After the massage, just cuddle each other and fall asleep.
NRandom940
03-09-21, 10:05
Don't give up on Kiev. It takes some work but once you get into the groove, Kiev can be a blast. Takes one long visit or couple of short visits. Kiev has a lot of options.Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?
DramaFree11
03-09-21, 18:29
It seems like Kiev has all the makings of a city that should be great for this. But it just isn't.
Been trying to message profiles from some of the common (and uncommon) escort sites. Most either don't respond or their number isn't even on WhatsApp despite the profile saying it is.
There's a sauna I know about where the girls aren't the best looking. I've gotten 1 response from a website profile. But I haven't gone to see her yet so I can't tell you if the pics are real.Your assessment is totally correct. Kiev is very hit and miss at best. Not even in the top 15 top destinations. Too many scams and fake profiles. There are much better options. Nothing wrong with hard work, but you have to justify your time. Once Europe reopens is doors Kiev is done. Some guys refuse to admit this, they are doing a disservice to newbies.
How a guy can write reports and not even discuss how SA being regulated in Kiev, tells you how accurate his reports are.
PhotoSlider
03-09-21, 20:54
Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?Honorable Vitrea can explain his approach himself.
My success rate greatly increased when I did precisely what he recommends. Traveled to Kiev frequently, and stayed at least 3 weeks for each trip, then 6, then 8. That's when some of the random hourly agency girls from Viber and Telegram channels became regulars, and they know other girls, and after 2-3 trips, unlike our drama resident hating troll I became double, even triple booked on some of the days with insanely attractive genuinely passionate ladies, many of those I rated well above 10 on my own scale on more than one KPI.
Another gentleman just returned from Kiev, had a blast with his regulars and newly discovered girls, and literally not enough time for all the females available to him personally. The other two gentlemen I know are in Kiev as happy expats. Wish I could join them!
Escort girls frequently are locals. Converting them to your personal contacts takes effort, and sifting through many candidates. And that's part of fun. Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.
If you are in Kiev for 5-7 days then almost forget it. Simply go sightseeing and save your money. There's a chance, and miracles happen, but the Kiev game typically does take longer. If you are new, but are in Kiev for a month or longer than chances for success increase tremendously. Everybody starts at some point. Best of luck!
Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.Me, too. I am routinely shedding very attractive and deeply GFE young ladies to try out new young ladies. I do about 4 overnights with my sponsorette every week and average 2-3 other sessions. I simply do not have time to see all the girls that I have available to see. And they are mostly better, or far better than the 200+ girls I have done P4P with in other cities of the world. Yes, I would rather be in Moscow if I had work there, but Kyiv is a great place to be if you have the time here.
Most of my girls over the last 4 moths have been either Mamba or referrals.
As a mutual friend of PhotoSlider and myself said, I have a type...and I am very good at finding that type.
Very well said. My MO is very similar, though I only go for a week at a time. I attribute my success to positive attitude and how I treat girls. With those two, it is not that Hard to build a network in any country or city. I don't treat them like hookers. I choose classy and educated girls whenever possible and I romance each and everyone of them and make them feel special for the time they are with me. I play music, have champagne and cheese handy. I dance and smoke. I always have a high quality massage oil by my bed and I use it frequently. They get sex almost every night but they are not romanced or massaged. By the time they are ready to leave, they want to come back or willing to send their friends.
I am also friendly with madams that send me girls. I send them small gifts. Give a little and the world gives you back in spades.
I am not saying Kiev is easy. All I am saying is that I have a blast and so do all my friends.
I don't understand guys that are constantly on this forum and writing how bad Kiev is. Weird. Say that it was bad for you with concrete reports of why it was bad and let others decide if it is worth it or not. I am going soon and this is my third time in a year. I hope to have fun and hope you all do too.
My mongering mantra: Be assertive but stay positive.
Honorable Vitrea can explain his approach himself.
My success rate greatly increased when I did precisely what he recommends. Traveled to Kiev frequently, and stayed at least 3 weeks for each trip, then 6, then 8. That's when some of the random hourly agency girls from Viber and Telegram channels became regulars, and they know other girls, and after 2-3 trips, unlike our drama resident hating troll I became double, even triple booked on some of the days with insanely attractive genuinely passionate ladies, many of those I rated well above 10 on my own scale on more than one KPI.
Another gentleman just returned from Kiev, had a blast with his regulars and newly discovered girls, and literally not enough time for all the females available to him personally. The other two gentlemen I know are in Kiev as happy expats. Wish I could join them!
Escort girls frequently are locals. Converting them to your personal contacts takes effort, and sifting through many candidates. And that's part of fun. Perhaps on occasion I am addicted more to the search itself, rather than the girls.
If you are in Kiev for 5-7 days then almost forget it. Simply go sightseeing and save your money. There's a chance, and miracles happen, but the Kiev game typically does take longer. If you are new, but are in Kiev for a month or longer than chances for success increase tremendously. Everybody starts at some point. Best of luck!
Any tips? Are you talking about with local girls or escort ads?My favorite starting place is apartments. I am not kidding when I say, start with the numbers from the guys giving out flyers. All you need is three or four of those and you expand from it. Most agencies are networked. You describe who you want and they will find her for you. The apartment owners / madams have to make money. If the girl has to come from another madam, the arranging madam will add a small commission on top so it might cost you 100 to 150 more. I don't whine about it. Before the girl leaves, I always ask the girl which number to call when I want to see her again. If she gives a different number, use that number next time and she may be 100 less but more important than that, you expanded your network. Your goal is expand to independents or find apartment girls that will see you in their off time. I am typically on time crunch so I try to do three dates a day so but the end of second or third day ( after 6 -8 dates), I will be likely seeing independent girls. I also do clubs and occasionally splurge at expensive night clubs like Rio, but that is rare. It gives me more pleasure to party in my pajamas with a college age girl, while shooting her next Instagram photo.
PhotoSlider
03-11-21, 19:26
Me, too. I am routinely shedding very attractive and deeply GFE young ladies to try out new young ladies. I do about 4 overnights with my sponsorette every week and average 2-3 other sessions. I simply do not have time to see all the girls that I have available to see. And they are mostly better, or far better than the 200+ girls I have done P4P with in other cities of the world.You have substantial financial power and been considered local. That's the main advantage. You are also in great physical shape, and being tall is a major attraction for ladies.
Yes, I would rather be in Moscow if I had work there, but Kyiv is a great place to be if you have the time here.Ever heard of certain difficulties Michael Calvey had in Moscow? Ukraine is corrupt, no questions. In Russia the government itself runs racket and extortion. Visa aside, as beautiful and willing as the girls are over there in Moscow (and I had my share there) for the time being overall I would consider it not much better than Ethiopia. Protests across the Russia are down for now, but Addis Ababa also has stunning ladies, and I am not going there any time soon either.
BTW, friend of mine had a misfortune in one of the African countries. He happened to have unprotected sex with a gorgeous black princess in the midst of all the HIV breakdown. And next morning confided to his wing man, worker at the Embassy of a certain European country. The gentleman replied with:
- Oh, you going to be fine. But don't ever do it again!
Most of my girls over the last 4 moths have been either Mamba or referrals.
As a mutual friend of PhotoSlider and myself said, I have a type...and I am very good at finding that type.Yes, you do have a type. And the above mentioned sponsorette is indeed a true gem to behold and cherish.
In fact that very same mutual friend opened my eyes on the aforementioned search addiction. Being a classy gentleman, he rarely points character flaws of others. Instead he mentioned that feature as observed in his own actions. I simply made a conclusion for myself. It's an obsession during the hunt.
Hi all,
I hope this is the right place for this question.
I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.
What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?
I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.
Thanks very much for your help.
For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?
People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.
People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.Thanks so much for your candid and comprehensive reply. That was exactly the information I needed.
PhotoSlider
03-17-21, 17:35
People will say I am paying too much for Kyiv but I think I am getting a bargain. But I pay a total of about $1500-1700 a month to an extraordinary young woman that could not be more perfect for me physically and is by far the best lover I have ever had in well over 200 women. That $1600ish includes $600 a month for a nice apartment, up to $200 for utilities in the winter, an occasional small gift, and the rest is direct compensation or allowance. I stay the night with her however often I want which is usually about 4 nights a week and she will do anything I want.Yummy, please correct any of the mistakes below, and forgive my verbose analysis, as it is obvious you are in Paradise on Earth since August.
$800/ month for a beautiful girl that matches all your requirements, including perfect behavior. Definitely a 10+.
$200/ week, $50/ overnight. Even if one considers the above apartment rent out of your pocket, it is $100/ night. More than affordable. Whoever thinks you overpay, can go to Kiev and prove otherwise. And yes, I can confirm she is not only exceptionally beautiful, but also, AFAICT from our Viber conversations, a highly intelligent young woman.
Apartment is downtown, great location, classy. Not a damp on the outskirts away from civilization.
Now, add to this the price of a separate apartment for meeting other girls. Also a smart move by YummiPL. This allows to continue hunting, keep the pool of additional regulars, update it as needed, try the fresh ones for entertainment, and return to reliable sponsorette at any time. For both apartments this means $1500, give or take. $800 for sponsorette. Perhaps another 10-15 girls a month at $100 each on average for multiple hours. Food can be no less than $10/ day, was more like $30-50/ day for me.
I kept one apartment, juggled trough 4 regulars, and dozens of hourly girls. That was difficult at times. Committing to one girl staying at my place meant that if in about 3-4 days she didn't have a need to go to her University, or something else, I told her that I have to leave for business, and asked her to move out. At least temporarily, depending on her behavior. At the same time there were nights when I happened to be alone. After 6 weeks I didn't feel desperate anymore)) but having a reliably perfect young woman available at any moment is golden.
How long did it take for YummiPL to create his Paradise setup? Perhaps 2-4 weeks to get completely settled, and work out all the kinks. Keep in mind that he is a well seasoned traveler, an experienced monger, swiftly brushing off any attempts at taking advantage of him. Scams are in the mind of beholder. If a troll, after personal misfortunes in Kiev so many years ago, is still spewing vitriol, and thinks that every other woman in Kiev is a scammer, then those women say screw you, and will reciprocate. Maybe by being intrinsically evil, or by no fault of their own, women are the mirror. Ask, and you shall receive. Treat the girl nicely, as Vitrea does, and you will be paid back in spades.
$60 K / year for living like a King, - say no more than $100 K before US taxes. If expenses are watched tightly, $40 K would do it. No mortgage, no property tax. Kiev is not cheap, yet no way this life style is possible in the West.
A shrewd and intelligent explanation. Thank you, too.
Yummy, please correct any of the mistakes below, and forgive my verbose analysis, as it is obvious you are in Paradise on Earth since August.
$800/ month for a beautiful girl that matches all your requirements, including perfect behavior. Definitely a 10+.
$200/ week, $50/ overnight. Even if one considers the above apartment rent out of your pocket, it is $100/ night. More than affordable. Whoever thinks you overpay, can go to Kiev and prove otherwise. And yes, I can confirm she is not only exceptionally beautiful, but also, AFAICT from our Viber conversations, a highly intelligent young woman.
Apartment is downtown, great location, classy. Not a damp on the outskirts away from civilization..
Hi all,
I hope this is the right place for this question.
I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.
What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?
I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.
Thanks very much for your help.3000 € per month and you will live like a King. 2000 € is possible, but not with several girls on sponsorship. Good Apartment near Center is 7-800 €. 1000-1500 € For girls and partying. Food and transport is cheap, maybe around 3-400 €.
PhotoSlider
03-19-21, 00:32
A shrewd and intelligent explanation. Thank you, too.Search for reports by Kozerog. His are excellent. He is on the other end of the spectrum. In total control of the budget, financially independent, has currently one girl that he is happy with, and he compensates her adequately.
AFAIK he went through his research phase and doesn't see any point to diversify that much. Maybe I am wrong. All his other expenses, outside of females, are truly minimal, which definitely served as a good example to follow for me in 2018-2019, when I fired my personal driver / event manager for being greedy, and switched to walking anywhere within 1 hour. Kiev is very walkable, plus eye candy is everywhere. I also completed rapid fire sports fucking, and concentrated my funds and efforts on 4 regulars. That helped to save 2-3 fold.
Search for Kozerog's reports 2-4 years back, and read them all. Lots of wisdom on many points, including how to hunt and establish acceptable rapport. No need for me to distort anything, he explains in his own words the cost of living in Kiev in sufficient detail.
AFAIK he went through his research phase and doesn't see any point to diversify that much. Yes, I'm happy with the girl I have and want no one else. But even though we have been seeing each other 5 years and never once quarreled or exchanged hard words, I know I might someday have to replace her, which is why I continue to follow this forum, so I know what my options are.
I still pay the girl per meeting, same as first time we met, and avoid making any promises about the future. This method works well if you just want a reliable quality sex partner and dislike control over girls because control implies responsibility and obligations. YummyPL's apartment / allowance arrangement works better if you do want control. Every guy has to figure out himself whether more independence or more control makes him happier.
Thanks once again to all who replied to my query. Very helpful and informative. Hope to see you all in Kyiv soon.
Hi all,
I hope this is the right place for this question.
I have just been offered a new job with the option to be based out of Kiev.
What sort of salary should I be looking at (in EUR or USD net) to live comfortably and also be able to monger / maintain a sponsorette or two? For example, how much would a typical monthly allowance be for a student / office girl?
I am familiar with the scene in Kiev as a tourist but unsure how things pan out when one is there permanently.
Thanks very much for your help.
After almost a year of waiting patiently, I was finally able to book a flight to Kiev. For the last week of May. I've read this thread a lot and have tested online searching for girls. I don't have the feel for 'the hunt' anymore, and I've learned in the last couple of years that two regulars with whom the sex is always great is way better than 10 new girls a year.
I don't speak nor understand any Russian or Ukraine, only English. So I realize that my chances for a good time in Kiev, apart the joys of regular tourism and eye-candy, are low.
I'll try to use some of the agencies through Telegram / Viber and put on an upgraded (paid) profile Badoo, Tinder and Mamba (maybe a month or couple of weeks before the trip) and hope for the best. I haven't ever used "apartments" or "salons", and since I don't know the language and have heard that it's quite a luck to find good looking girls there, I might not take the risk. I'd feel it a bit unsafe to go to such places and socially unease if I would have to decline the girls presented for me.
If the covid-situation gets better and the Kiev will be otherwise a good experience, I'll go for a Minsk-Kiev trip at the end of summer.
I don't know if it's customary here, but if someone feels like he could have any good connections to share with me, I'd be glad to know. If I understood correctly, getting the subscription for the forum will allow the sending and receiving of private messages.
I was told Ukraine is going into quarantine today for about a month.
Effect unknown? BTW Paris also.
I was told Ukraine is going into quarantine today for about a month.
Effect unknown? BTW Paris also.Yesterday began a three-week lockdown in Kiev which is scheduled to be lifted on April 10, for now. It will all depend on the continued rise in virus cases. Shopping centers are closed, restaurants are on take-out only, no mass gatherings except violent protests against the president, along with the usual attempts by business owners to skirt the rules and remain secretly open and working.
PhotoSlider
03-22-21, 03:26
Yes, I'm happy with the girl I have and want no one else. But even though we have been seeing each other 5 years and never once quarreled or exchanged hard words, I know I might someday have to replace her, which is why I continue to follow this forum, so I know what my options are.
I still pay the girl per meeting, same as first time we met, and avoid making any promises about the future. This method works well if you just want a reliable quality sex partner and dislike control over girls because control implies responsibility and obligations. YummyPL's apartment / allowance arrangement works better if you do want control. Every guy has to figure out himself whether more independence or more control makes him happier.Great thoughts of yours incur so many associations! Control with implied responsibility and obligations, versus independence.
Then there is a third concept of reliability, making a triangle with those two. Is the girl under complete control more reliable? Would I perceive obligations and responsibility as a burden?
Take a look at the girl (or few regulars) that comes for somewhat predefined periods of time, and provides great service on a transactional basis, that fully matches the requirements. Is she more reliable than the one on a monthly maintenance fee? Perhaps she is, simply because she does not have that much control over her partner / customer, and interaction boundaries are set.
"Suum cuique" - To each his own.
So there is this triangle: Control-Independence-Reliability. And then one might extend it into a three-dimensional triangular tetrahedron, a pyramid composed of four triangular faces, where at the apex I place something characterized as "Satisfaction" or "Happiness" or "Rewarding Experience" or "Health" - mental or somatic. Good sex helps with the latter.
That state of being content isn't the same as control. Not for all of us. Some prefer more creative volatility, addicted to search and hunt, some need revolving door, some are jealous and want full dedication, some don't care. Likewise, independence may translate to happiness for some, while others like being submissive.
Reliability goes along the same lines. Hence, tetrahedron.
My 2 cents.
From the government of Ukraine:
From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.
As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.
For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.
The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.
A person's presence of a certificate of antibodies to COVID-19 or a vaccination certificate does not exempt him from the need to have the results of testing for COVID-19 by PCR before crossing the state border.
This is tied into the rapid rise of those coming down with Covid and the lockdowns in much of the country.
From the government of Ukraine:
From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.
As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.
For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.
The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.
A person's presence of a certificate of antibodies to COVID-19 or a vaccination certificate does not exempt him from the need to have the results of testing for COVID-19 by PCR before crossing the state border.
This is tied into the rapid rise of those coming down with Covid and the lockdowns in much of the country.
I find it interesting that some countries, including the USA, requires even their own citizens to have negative covid result to enter, while Ukraine doesn't.
NRandom940
03-28-21, 04:47
From the government of Ukraine:
From March 24,2021, all foreign citizens, without exception, regardless of the country of arrival to enter Ukraine must have a policy (certificate) of insurance issued by an insurance company registered in Ukraine or a foreign insurance company that has a representative office in Ukraine or a contractual relationship with an insurance company. A partner on the territory of Ukraine (assistance), and covers the costs related to the treatment of COVID-19, observation, and is valid for the entire period of stay in Ukraine.
As well as a negative result of testing for COVID-19 by polymerase chain reaction (PCR) that was done no more than 72 hours before crossing the state border.
For foreign citizens, there is no possibility to do the PCR test in Ukraine or self-isolate. In the absence of a test and / or insurance policy the border crossing for entry or transit will be denied.
The insurance policy, which was purchased through the portal, can be transferred for the required period for the tourist. The procedure for changing dates can be carried out several times.This isn't new. I was in Ukraine from March 7th - 9th and I had to buy the insurance.
They didn't check for a Covid test though. Which I thought was strange because I had read I needed a 48 HR pcr test.
I find it interesting that some countries, including the USA, requires even their own citizens to have negative covid result to enter, while Ukraine doesn't.Sorry but I did not include that Ukrainian nationals and holders of a permanent residence permit need to have a negative PCR test, which was carried out a maximum of 48 hours (not 72 hours as is the case with foreign nationals) before crossing the border. In the absence of any test, they must install the "Vdoma" app and go into a 14-day self-isolation. It is possible for them to complete self-isolation ahead of time if they provide a negative PCR test result.
There was chaos in Kharkov airport when a planeload of Ukrainians arrived from a holiday in Egypt just after the rules were put into place and they had no test results.
New rules seem pretty straightforward, easy, cheap to execute.
Ivan Buyan
03-30-21, 09:33
Hey guys,
Few updates on the Covid situation on Kyiv. So situation is getting worse and they even discuss to stop the public transportation completely. 29th of March brought 33 Covid related deaths in Kyiv only + 1422 new cases.
Hospitals are lacking beds and personnel. Taxi prices stay same though and all delivery services work like magic.
Officially lockdown ends on April 9th but rumors are they will prolong it after this date.
So you if plan to enjoy Spring in Kyiv with strippers, hookers and night life in April then you better postpone your plans. May should be perfect for that.
TonyMontanaaO7
03-30-21, 13:42
New rules seem pretty straightforward, easy, cheap to execute.What new rules? Could you send me a link to them or maybe you could mention them here.
Hey guys,
Few updates on the Covid situation on Kyiv. So situation is getting worse and they even discuss to stop the public transportation completely. 29th of March brought 33 Covid related deaths in Kyiv only + 1422 new cases.
Hospitals are lacking beds and personnel. Taxi prices stay same though and all delivery services work like magic.
Officially lockdown ends on April 9th but rumors are they will prolong it after this date.
So you if plan to enjoy Spring in Kyiv with strippers, hookers and night life in April then you better postpone your plans. May should be perfect for that.Thank you for the update. The situation does not seem to be good in most countries. We all have to be patient.
What new rules? Could you send me a link to them or maybe you could mention them here.Scroll down and read the recent posts.
What new rules? Could you send me a link to them or maybe you could mention them here.They are literally spelled out in full detail, 7 posts below yours. *facepalm
Hey guys,
Few updates on the Covid situation on Kyiv. So situation is getting worse and they even discuss to stop the public transportation completely. 29th of March brought 33 Covid related deaths in Kyiv only + 1422 new cases.
Hospitals are lacking beds and personnel. Taxi prices stay same though and all delivery services work like magic.
Officially lockdown ends on April 9th but rumors are they will prolong it after this date.
So you if plan to enjoy Spring in Kyiv with strippers, hookers and night life in April then you better postpone your plans. May should be perfect for that.Why do you think may is better?
If kyiv is in lovkdown, then alot of people not have job, not make money.
Therefor there must be more girls avaliable and probably better service.
Under this lockdown its in my opinion never been better from 2014 til 2021 The lockdonw period have been my best, when we look at girls avaliable, Good service, prices.
The lockdonw period have been my best, when we look at girls avaliable, Good service, prices.Couldn't agree more. I am in heaven. I fucking love Kiev.
But please, everyone, it is dangerous here. You should be afraid. The girls are mean and scary and will cheat you every time...
PhotoSlider
04-01-21, 22:48
Couldn't agree more. I am in heaven. I fucking love Kiev.
But please, everyone, it is dangerous here. You should be afraid. The girls are mean and scary and will cheat you every time...You recklessly forgot to mention that Kiev is dead, that the girls are also ugly, rated no higher than 6 out of 10, that you overpay, and you, YummyPL, personally lie left and right, omitting the real truth, thus endangering newbies coming to Kiev. So do all your buddies. Hehehe.
DramaFree11
04-02-21, 14:44
Couldn't agree more. I am in heaven. I fucking love Kiev.
But please, everyone, it is dangerous here. You should be afraid. The girls are mean and scary and will cheat you every time...You are correct. Ask yourself why Kiev is better. Girls from Europe, Asia and Middle East have been forced to return home. They are broke, there income stream has dried up. So, as you have said and I totally agreed I am sure Kiev is much better, then before. Additionally Sex Tourist's are not coming, enjoy it. Yes now you can probably find way better looking girls.
As soon as everything opens back in other countries, things will get back to normal. The hot girls, rich, hard working and people that want a better life will flee the country, just like before, but it will be way worse.
PhotoSlider
04-03-21, 01:34
The future of Kiev is imminent and dire indeed. One can clearly see through the crystal ball how the walls will crumble, even the resurrected Golden Gates. YummyPL will sit on the curbside of his apartment and cry, because all the rated 6 uglies will leave for Dubai and Moscow, and all our conversations will get relegated to Stupid Shit in Kiev thread, just like everything that drama troll writes about, - the reverse King Midas touch. Everything King Midas touched turned to gold, and here everything in his eyes turns to shit. Hehehe. Please forgive my mischievous behavior, gentlemen!
Seriously speaking, I am both jealous and happy for YummyPL and many others. With his approach in particular, I do not think he'll have a problem in the foreseeable future, at least 20 years forward. It's the cultural tradition in Ukraine, girls truly and genuinely enjoy getting fucked properly. Amen.
Normally I use my regular contacts I had the last 7 years.
Some come and go but I have not connected with anyone new the last roughly 9 months.
But this week been funny, yes kyiv is in lockdown but alot of things still open, even restaurants and clubs.
I normally never go clubs and when I do its just to relax and drink.
This week I been to 2 different clubs both times with a girl I know for long time and some business partners.
Clubs was medium clubs not highend.
But it was crazy, I was approched at least 10 times in thesw 2 clubs from girls who wanted to know where I'm from and so on, some of them even asked me what I was doing later.
My girl was like a hawk and snapped at some of them and swnt them away.
But I managed to get 2 phonenumbers of girls which in normal days would never speak to a guy of my weight.
This week I been to 2 different clubs both times with a girl I know for long time and some business partners.
But it was crazy, I was approched at least 10 times in thesw 2 clubs from girls who wanted to know where I'm from and so on, some of them even asked me what I was doing later.
But I managed to get 2 phonenumbers of girls which in normal days would never speak to a guy of my weight.I'm interested to hear how this situation develops. If you happen to contact those numbers.
Would you mind to tell which clubs did you go?
I'm not a party person myself, I hate to dress up, but if this is what happens. Then I might give up on my principles. Willingly.
ArnoldMark
04-04-21, 22:56
With lockdowns are strip clubs open? Do they have early close times? Not familiar with the street girl scene either if that has changed during lockdown.
Miloulondon
04-05-21, 03:22
With lockdowns are strip clubs open? Do they have early close times? Not familiar with the street girl scene either if that has changed during lockdown.I haven't been to any places yet but I notice Kiev is very quiet. Even wild west place is completely shutdown.
I'm interested to hear how this situation develops. If you happen to contact those numbers.
Would you mind to tell which clubs did you go?
I'm not a party person myself, I hate to dress up, but if this is what happens. Then I might give up on my principles. Willingly.The one place was a Restaurant / Club in late night.
Chaihonaahmatova.
The other was karaoke.
L'Kafa Cafe: Karaoke, Lounge, Dance.
I don't dress up in generel, I only do dress up for Weddings, Funerals and meeting royal people (last one never happend yet).
I dress how I want and how I feel for, not that I dress bad but I not need to wear a suit if I not feel for it, and have several times been on big business metings with just sweater and jeans where everyone else was in expensive suits, but I not believe in the clothes make people.
So both places I this time was in Nice jeans (colourfull BTW) And some Hugo Boos Blouse.
The One girl I already have decided not to write to, found her Telegram account and then also her IG account and she total is a Golddigger for sure so I'm staying away.
The other I already have some contact with and will probably take her to lunch later this week, it also turns out she is a intern at a lawyer and studing law herself 27 years old and speaks perfect english.
So lets see what this ends up with.
What is the situation with COVID vaccine in Ukraine? Do they actively vaccinate people? Otherwise, the lockdowns will continue.
Ivan Buyan
04-06-21, 13:05
What is the situation with COVID vaccine in Ukraine? Do they actively vaccinate people? Otherwise, the lockdowns will continue.Hey Junior,
So now things look sad, I talked to some medical workers and even they don't get vaccinated. On TV they say that certain amount of people are getting the vaccine daily but I know zero people who did it. Hospitals are full of Covid positive people and daily numbers of people who need hospitalization only increase. Lockdown doesn't allow any bars / cafes / clubs to be open moreover public transport is only open for people with special passes (given to the people who work in the fields that are obligatory for normal life cycle of the citizen. Doctors, shop sellers, government workers, police forces etc). They are talking about introducing the curfew in the nearest days if situation stays the same. Police is also watching for people to not gather in parks for picnics or any other purposes. Shops are open, delivery services work, taxi prices x2-x3 ed on the first day of the "hard" lockdown and Kyiv got stuck in super heavy traffic jams but things are improving here and in 2-3 days taxi prices will get back to normal (even though current prices are not high compared to major EU capitals but soon they will turn to average Kyiv prices).
Hey Junior,
So now things look sad, I talked to some medical workers and even they don't get vaccinated. On TV they say that certain amount of people are getting the vaccine daily but I know zero people who did it. Hospitals are full of Covid positive people and daily numbers of people who need hospitalization only increase. Lockdown doesn't allow any bars / cafes / clubs to be open moreover public transport is only open for people with special passes (given to the people who work in the fields that are obligatory for normal life cycle of the citizen. Doctors, shop sellers, government workers, police forces etc). They are talking about introducing the curfew in the nearest days if situation stays the same. Police is also watching for people to not gather in parks for picnics or any other purposes. Shops are open, delivery services work, taxi prices x2-x3 ed on the first day of the "hard" lockdown and Kyiv got stuck in super heavy traffic jams but things are improving here and in 2-3 days taxi prices will get back to normal (even though current prices are not high compared to major EU capitals but soon they will turn to average Kyiv prices).Medical workers can get the vaccine if they registrer.
But the problem is people not want it.
In the Town where I live 1% is vaccinated and most are medical people and younger ones who wanted.
The old people who will end up in the hospital don't want to take it.
Curfew in kyiv?
Where do you have that info from because noone I know have spoken about it and it will just not work.
BTW. Plenty of restaurants work with seating still.
I don't know where you get your info from but it honestly is nog very correct about the situationen in kyiv.
Hmmm, I think I know what is going on here. One of you really DOES NOT want me in Kyiv, and the other one really DOES want me there LOL. But who is telling the truth about the actual situation haha?!
Medical workers can get the vaccine if they registrer.
But the problem is people not want it.
In the Town where I live 1% is vaccinated and most are medical people and younger ones who wanted.
The old people who will end up in the hospital don't want to take it.
Curfew in kyiv?
Where do you have that info from because noone I know have spoken about it and it will just not work.
BTW. Plenty of restaurants work with seating still.
I don't know where you get your info from but it honestly is nog very correct about the situationen in kyiv.
Hey Junior,
So now things look sad, I talked to some medical workers and even they don't get vaccinated. On TV they say that certain amount of people are getting the vaccine daily but I know zero people who did it. Hospitals are full of Covid positive people and daily numbers of people who need hospitalization only increase. Lockdown doesn't allow any bars / cafes / clubs to be open moreover public transport is only open for people with special passes (given to the people who work in the fields that are obligatory for normal life cycle of the citizen. Doctors, shop sellers, government workers, police forces etc). They are talking about introducing the curfew in the nearest days if situation stays the same. Police is also watching for people to not gather in parks for picnics or any other purposes. Shops are open, delivery services work, taxi prices x2-x3 ed on the first day of the "hard" lockdown and Kyiv got stuck in super heavy traffic jams but things are improving here and in 2-3 days taxi prices will get back to normal (even though current prices are not high compared to major EU capitals but soon they will turn to average Kyiv prices).
Ivan Buyan
04-07-21, 10:28
Hmmm, I think I know what is going on here. One of you really DOES NOT want me in Kyiv, and the other one really DOES want me there LOL. But who is telling the truth about the actual situation haha?!I live in Kyiv, so you may totally trust me=) I suggest you to come in Kyiv but not now. This is true. Many people don't trust vaccination so I guess they will only take it when it becomes obligatory.
So wait for this to be over and come enjoy it.
If you understand Ukrainian they I suggest you to check all the info here https://covid19.gov.ua/karantynni-zakhody (Kyiv is currently in the red zone).
The situation in Kiev doesn't sound too great. I heard Uber drivers jacked up the price, given that the public transport is not running, and it now costs 800 UAH from Boryspil to the center.
On the other hand, at least in California, all US citizens over 16 are now eligible for vaccines. This means the Californians with 2 injections done can now confidently go to Kiev and act like superman, despite the situation there. Good for them.
I myself would wait a little longer to go back to the US to get the shots until more Americans are vaccinated.
I am now making a plan to import a regular from Kiev to my current country of residence for a week or so. I am safe where I am, and she will need to pass a PCR test to enter the country to come to me. This will be my first time to pay a Kiev girl to go abroad for me, but she will come out for greatly reduced price.
The situation in Kiev doesn't sound too great. I heard Uber drivers jacked up the price, given that the public transport is not running, and it now costs 800 UAH from Boryspil to the center.
On the other hand, at least in California, all US citizens over 16 are now eligible for vaccines. This means the Californians with 2 injections done can now confidently go to Kiev and act like superman, despite the situation there. Good for them.
I myself would wait a little longer to go back to the US to get the shots until more Americans are vaccinated.
I am now making a plan to import a regular from Kiev to my current country of residence for a week or so. I am safe where I am, and she will need to pass a PCR test to enter the country to come to me. This will be my first time to pay a Kiev girl to go abroad for me, but she will come out for greatly reduced price.Have tried the take away service before. I invited a girl on couple of my trips. The problem was keeping the girl engaged after the deed. I prefer to invite for a weekend. Paid between 1500 $ to 2500 $ for a weekend getaway.
Have tried the take away service before. I invited a girl on couple of my trips. The problem was keeping the girl engaged after the deed. I prefer to invite for a weekend. Paid between 1500 $ to 2500 $ for a weekend getaway.
That sounds like a Gia price.
This regular is an indie, and my plan is to pay her probably 3000 UAH per day. But this price would indeed be the same with or without the pandemic, lol.
But I'm paying for all the cost, minus food, of her trip, so they add up.
I said minus food because she'll probably be cooking, with ingredients paid by me.
But previous 3 trips abroad with 2 different Kiev girls were freebee.
The situation in Kiev doesn't sound too great. I heard Uber drivers jacked up the price, given that the public transport is not running, and it now costs 800 UAH from Boryspil to the center.
On the other hand, at least in California, all US citizens over 16 are now eligible for vaccines. This means the Californians with 2 injections done can now confidently go to Kiev and act like superman, despite the situation there. Good for them.
I myself would wait a little longer to go back to the US to get the shots until more Americans are vaccinated.
I am now making a plan to import a regular from Kiev to my current country of residence for a week or so. I am safe where I am, and she will need to pass a PCR test to enter the country to come to me. This will be my first time to pay a Kiev girl to go abroad for me, but she will come out for greatly reduced price.I would like to correct the misinformation contained in my earlier post. The correct info is: All Californians can go to the Kern county in central California to receive the covid vaccine. I am not sure it is for the California residents only or for all American citizens.
That sounds like a Gia price.
This regular is an indie, and my plan is to pay her probably 3000 UAH per day. But this price would indeed be the same with or without the pandemic, lol.
But I'm paying for all the cost, minus food, of her trip, so they add up.
I said minus food because she'll probably be cooking, with ingredients paid by me.
But previous 3 trips abroad with 2 different Kiev girls were freebee.3000 UAH per day with free cooking that's incredible. The kia girl that I booked went out to only fancy restaurants. Her food / drink bills costed more than the her payment.
3000 UAH per day with free cooking that's incredible. The kia girl that I booked went out to only fancy restaurants. Her food / drink bills costed more than the her payment.Its the same I also pay some of my regulars when we spend 1 day togehter.
I also had 2 kyiv girls with me to europe and paid 100 euro a day and food and travel.
If you have the girls trust and regular see them then this is possible.
I also have my odessa girl who wants 400 usd a day and food, but she is also a 9 maybe 10 on the scale and she is not doing this professionally (she could easy charge 1000 usd a day).
If people go to kyiv now then there are great chances that you can find good girls for less cost then before but also maybe get the chance to build some trust because you here in hard times.
I'm planing seeing a new one from mamba who lost her job and now without income but still have some savings.
She is not easy but will probably be able to get some nigths with her.
The situation in Kiev doesn't sound too great. I heard Uber drivers jacked up the price, given that the public transport is not running, and it now costs 800 UAH from Boryspil to the center.It is my understanding that uber has an algorithm that automatically increases the price as demand goes up no matter where you live. Compared to other countries, 800 UAH for a 35 km trip is still a good price.
It is my understanding that uber has an algorithm that automatically increases the price as demand goes up no matter where you live. Compared to other countries, 800 UAH for a 35 km trip is still a good price.But 800 UAH is not a bargain, which is the reason many of us go to Ukraine.
I wonder if other apps like Uklon use similar algorithm to Uber.
But I guess there is an option of BlaBlaCar. When I stayed in a city outside Kiev during lockdown, the price on BlaBlaCar to Kiev was similar to the one on Marshrutka.
All Californians over 16 will be eligible for vaccine on April 15 and all Americans over ?? on April 19. I wonder if this means the Americans will start flocking into Ukraine real soon. Not a good news. I can tell which American will be the first one to do so, lol. They will beat the Europeans, except the British.
Almost all taxi drivers hate to use the mask. You have to ask them to use them.
I was at the Harem strip club yesterday. The same girls as always. Strange there are rarely any new ones.
Some girls throw themselves at the biggest idiots and their hands find their way to sensitive places. We who are more driven rarely get to experience such embraces. The girls do not behave the same way with the customers. Yes, it's about chemistry, but this is really noticeable. I saw several guests who were directly ignored. What does the administration think about this?
Several of the prettier girls do not go out to hotels anymore. This is also strange as the economy in Ukraine is bad now.
There are nicer ladies at the Pincess strip club now than Harem. Not so many, but they are nice and welcoming. Most girls join you to the hotel if the chemistry is right. The downside is that everything has to be paid in cash.
Also on Dolls it has picked up compared to a few weeks ago. But the heyday of truly supermodels dancing at strip clubs is sadly over.
The Penthouse Arena is closed, but the other Penthouse is open and you can enter if you understand the system. But the ladies do not look good. The only pretty one extends only to erotic massage.
Totsie next to Rio is also open to those who manage to pass. Maybe the best club now, but everything must also be paid for in cash here.
So far no luck with street hunting. Anyone succeeding at the moment?
I can recommend Ego erotic massage studio. Some distance from the center, but several young pretty girls. Open 24/7. Good WhatsApp communication.
Tried to look at the girls in the apartments that are still open. Many is closed. There was no one I felt like spending money on there.
Many hits on Tinder, but most would lure me to Avalone and other expensive restaurants where you pay indirectly to the girl.
I wish there were some good escort sites that were trustworthy. Strange, no one understands that there is a potential market if trust is built here.
Someone with good contacts?
DramaFree11
04-11-21, 00:17
Almost all taxi drivers hate to use the mask. You have to ask them to use them.
I was at the Harem strip club yesterday. The same girls as always. Strange there are rarely any new ones.
Some girls throw themselves at the biggest idiots and their hands find their way to sensitive places. We who are more driven rarely get to experience such embraces. The girls do not behave the same way with the customers. Yes, it's about chemistry, but this is really noticeable. I saw several guests who were directly ignored. What does the administration think about this?
Several of the prettier girls do not go out to hotels anymore. This is also strange as the economy in Ukraine is bad now.
There are nicer ladies at the Pincess strip club now than Harem. Not so many, but they are nice and welcoming. Most girls join you to the hotel if the chemistry is right. The downside is that everything has to be paid in cash.
Also on Dolls it has picked up compared to a few weeks ago. But the heyday of truly supermodels dancing at strip clubs is sadly over.
The Penthouse Arena is closed, but the other Penthouse is open and you can enter if you understand the system. But the ladies do not look good. The only pretty one extends only to erotic massage.Thank you for the report. Sorry, but this is how Kiev has been for several years, some of the other guys paint a picture of Kiev being this paradise, not the cases. Lots of no's and scams. If you have very low standards you might like Ukrainian.
I do feel it will be okay until Europe, Asia and the Middle East opens back up. Then it is over. Kiev will be full of desperate sex tourists. Better luck.
Also on Dolls it has picked up compared to a few weeks ago. But the heyday of truly supermodels dancing at strip clubs is sadly over.
The Penthouse Arena is closed, but the other Penthouse is open and you can enter if you understand the system. But the ladies do not look good. The only pretty one extends only to erotic massage.
Totsie next to Rio is also open to those who manage to pass. Maybe the best club now, but everything must also be paid for in cash here.
I can recommend Ego erotic massage studio. Some distance from the center, but several young pretty girls. Open 24/7. Good WhatsApp communication.Rio and Totsie which is same management has the best ladies most days. And they will go out for 200 ish, 1 h - 300 US, 3 h Is a solid way of getting talent, albeit not so cheap.
I think this has been like that for at least a couple of years. Some people mentioned Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.
Is it good in masseuses that Ego erotic massage studio? Better than Toplessclub Maassage at Prorizna St, 18/1?
Regarding Tinder, Mamba, SA, Insta or any other platform is a hit or miss, and costly in time too. Is never going to be easy, why it should be? Real Hotties are hard to have anywhere in the world nowadays.
Some people mentioned Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.Rino are just stripclubs, you cannot bring the girls to your home (a pity).
Ukraine's economy is in doldrums. The girls still want to lead a queen size life and expect lots of $$ Their biggest demand is from UAE and its more or less cut off now. With no tourists and very few options to fly abroad, I wonder how long they will survive with these $$$ expectations. Ukrainian men won't be spending so much. They definitely value their money more than the pussies I think.
Rio and Totsie which is same management has the best ladies most days. And they will go out for 200 ish, 1 h - 300 US, 3 h Is a solid way of getting talent, albeit not so cheap.
I think this has been like that for at least a couple of years. Some people mentioned Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.
Is it good in masseuses that Ego erotic massage studio? Better than Toplessclub Maassage at Prorizna St, 18/1?
Regarding Tinder, Mamba, SA, Insta or any other platform is a hit or miss, and costly in time too. Is never going to be easy, why it should be? Real Hotties are hard to have anywhere in the world nowadays.
DramaFree11
04-12-21, 19:19
Ukraine's economy is in doldrums. The girls still want to lead a queen size life and expect lots of $$ Their biggest demand is from UAE and its more or less cut off now. With no tourists and very few options to fly abroad, I wonder how long they will survive with these $$$ expectations. Ukrainian men won't be spending so much. They definitely value their money more than the pussies I think.Yep, Ukraine is in deep trouble, but this should be no surprise to anyone.
I was hoping that the girls on SA would lower their expectations and become reasonable. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Let's see if they start becoming practical.
Yep, Ukraine is in deep trouble, but this should be no surprise to anyone.
NRandom940
04-13-21, 16:34
But 800 UAH is not a bargain, which is the reason many of us go to Ukraine.
I wonder if other apps like Uklon use similar algorithm to Uber.
But I guess there is an option of BlaBlaCar. When I stayed in a city outside Kiev during lockdown, the price on BlaBlaCar to Kiev was similar to the one on Marshrutka.
All Californians over 16 will be eligible for vaccine on April 15 and all Americans over ?? on April 19. I wonder if this means the Americans will start flocking into Ukraine real soon. Not a good news. I can tell which American will be the first one to do so, lol. They will beat the Europeans, except the British.The food isn't cheap their either. I wonder why they try to charge so much if their economy is bad.
PhotoSlider
04-13-21, 21:00
I was hoping that the girls on SA would lower their expectations and become reasonable. But that doesn't seem to be the case. Let's see if they start becoming practical.Charles Dickens wrote a wonderful novel in 1860-61 "Great Expectations". They translated the title into Russian as "Lost Illusions". So apt!
Gentlemen, read back a few years. Ukraine doesn't exist to please you, just because you visit and willing to spend on a moderate budget. Kiev was never cheap. More precisely, there is a wide spectrum of services measured by price. Cheap, moderate, expensive, exuberant, - it is all there, especially for a long-term or frequent internal consumer. Regular customer always treated with a priority.
If you were on this Forum 5-10 years ago, you could have noticed that in time of survival many Kiev girls raise the price to compensate for less frequent appointments. Some customers can afford, and this model seems to work in a certain market segment. There is associated risk for the girls as well, and if not the bed in hospital, then even a visit to doctor is not cheap. Some of the girls retire to their village parents and survive there. Again Kiev is not cheap. Lockdown means much lower cash flow.
You may hope and expect, and Kiev will do what it considers proper for itself, not for you. Dealing with regulars is the way in Kiev. I do not believe YummyPL is sitting bare feet on the curbside, howling at the moon deprived of female attention. Somehow he doesn't leave an impression of a desperate person. Another friend of mine returned from Kiev a month ago, and going again in 2 weeks. Both of them do not have enough time to accommodate all the candidates willing to provide excellent services. And the girls are exceptional. BTW, fuck stupid shit rated below 6 himself drama troll, whatever location he posts about, his messages should be in stupid shit threads, any forum. Sorry, irrelevant, forgive me being undisciplined.
Girls will not be practical. Perhaps some of the mongers should be more realistic. As Ivan Buyan said, this is not the time for a fly-by drive through quickie fuck business. Not unless, you have established connections.
It is difficult right now. Kiev will figure out eventually how to cope with this predicament as well. Just like many others over centuries before. Cheers!
DramaFree11
04-14-21, 00:21
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Marlboro Red
04-14-21, 18:04
I keep on seeing the banners, and I did check them out on their telegraph channel, but has anyone tried them? Seems like a free for all site, so I guess it is a bit of a hit and miss?
Wonderful insight into the psyche of Ukrainian girls. Thanks a ton bro.
Charles Dickens wrote a wonderful novel in 1860-61 "Great Expectations". They translated the title into Russian as "Lost Illusions". So apt!
Gentlemen, read back a few years. Ukraine doesn't exist to please you, just because you visit and willing to spend on a moderate budget. Kiev was never cheap. More precisely, there is a wide spectrum of services measured by price. Cheap, moderate, expensive, exuberant, - it is all there, especially for a long-term or frequent internal consumer. Regular customer always treated with a priority.
If you were on this Forum 5-10 years ago, you could have noticed that in time of survival many Kiev girls raise the price to compensate for less frequent appointments. Some customers can afford, and this model seems to work in a certain market segment. There is associated risk for the girls as well, and if not the bed in hospital, then even a visit to doctor is not cheap. Some of the girls retire to their village parents and survive there. Again Kiev is not cheap. Lockdown means much lower cash flow.
You may hope and expect, and Kiev will do what it considers proper for itself, not for you. Dealing with regulars is the way in Kiev. I do not believe YummyPL is sitting bare feet on the curbside, howling at the moon deprived of female attention. Somehow he doesn't leave an impression of a desperate person. Another friend of mine returned from Kiev a month ago, and going again in 2 weeks. Both of them do not have enough time to accommodate all the candidates willing to provide excellent services. And the girls are exceptional. BTW, fuck stupid shit rated below 6 himself drama troll, whatever location he posts about, his messages should be in stupid shit threads, any forum. Sorry, irrelevant, forgive me being undisciplined.
Girls will not be practical. Perhaps some of the mongers should be more realistic. As Ivan Buyan said, this is not the time for a fly-by drive through quickie fuck business. Not unless, you have established connections.
It is difficult right now. Kiev will figure out eventually how to cope with this predicament as well. Just like many others over centuries before. Cheers!
Reiner Otto
04-14-21, 19:38
Unfortunately, lockdown in Kiev extended to 30-April.
I keep on seeing the banners, and I did check them out on their telegraph channel, but has anyone tried them? Seems like a free for all site, so I guess it is a bit of a hit and miss?You have to pay to be able to contact the girls, who'll mainly charge from 200 $ and up per hour. If you contact and won't get the desired appointment, what do you think happens to your money you paid to be able to contact her? I was told they'd return it. Somehow I'm a bit suspicious of this.
Unfortunately, lockdown in Kiev extended to 30-April.My flight was cancelled and so I had to postpone the trip couple more months. It's been a year I have wanted to go there, waiting for it. I doubt the experience can live up to the expectations.
PhotoSlider
04-15-21, 02:02
Wonderful insight into the psyche of Ukrainian girls. Thanks a ton bro.Glad you weren't offended by my candor. Hopefully the message doesn't come across as patronizing.
I still think young Ukrainian females are the best around the Globe. Friend currently visiting Kiev sent a video yesterday, confirming my admiration and undying addiction. Sweetest ever!
Please do not ask for referrals, as I do not have any. Very few regulars are not for advertising, and some of them are either married or even having babies. And I remember holding their beautiful butts in my hands.
There was no need to get offended. I did experience having a great time with a Ukrainian girl in Barcelona. She was very reasonable in terms of her allowance. I tried to find similar gems but it didn't work. I believe in pay for play and if they don't match my expectations in terms of looks, attitude and performance in the bed it's of no use. I'm willing to pay good allowance if the girl meets my expectations.
Glad you weren't offended by my candor. Hopefully the message doesn't come across as patronizing.
I still think young Ukrainian females are the best around the Globe. Friend currently visiting Kiev sent a video yesterday, confirming my admiration and undying addiction. Sweetest ever!
Please do not ask for referrals, as I do not have any. Very few regulars are not for advertising, and some of them are either married or even having babies. And I remember holding their beautiful butts in my hands.
James, Imoraig: thanks for club update! For us who like big curves more than thin. Are there a good selection of also big boob (silicone) girls?
Rio and Totsie which is same management has the best ladies most days.....Rino or other stripclubs but I don't think so. Only Princess Strip club could be equal or better than Rio and Totsie in girls I think. Anyone differing please share info.
PhotoSlider
04-19-21, 06:19
There was no need to get offended. I did experience having a great time with a Ukrainian girl in Barcelona. She was very reasonable in terms of her allowance. I tried to find similar gems but it didn't work. I believe in pay for play and if they don't match my expectations in terms of looks, attitude and performance in the bed it's of no use. I'm willing to pay good allowance if the girl meets my expectations.In January 2014 I met an Ukrainian girl Tatiana in Madrid at one of the establishments. She was polite, but mechanical. Another girl that I had great time with while in Kiev in December 2018, moved to Barcelona. She was outstanding while in Kiev, great body of a volleyball player, superb performance in bed. We are still in touch, but her photos reflect inevitable changes. Enhanced lips, jaded attitude.
IMHO it is better to experience Ukrainian girls in Ukraine. Just like in Miami 2015 I had a Brazilian girl from Manaus. Not bad at all, but no comparison to visiting Termas Monte Carlo Rio de Janeiro in person.
I guess I got lucky with the Ukrainian girl in Barcelona. I hosted one Ukrainian girl on Couchsurfing in Palo Alto. She stayed for 3 nights. Had great fun on 2/3 nights. She was tired the first night. She is in Kyiv now. Keeps inviting me to come over. Hopefully some day. I definitely want to visit Ukraine.
In January 2014 I met an Ukrainian girl Tatiana in Madrid at one of the establishments. She was polite, but mechanical. Another girl that I had great time with while in Kiev in December 2018, moved to Barcelona. She was outstanding while in Kiev, great body of a volleyball player, superb performance in bed. We are still in touch, but her photos reflect inevitable changes. Enhanced lips, jaded attitude.
IMHO it is better to experience Ukrainian girls in Ukraine. Just like in Miami 2015 I had a Brazilian girl from Manaus. Not bad at all, but no comparison to visiting Termas Monte Carlo Rio de Janeiro in person.
I hosted one Ukrainian girl on Couchsurfing in Palo Alto. She stayed for 3 nights. Had great fun on 2/3 nights. Out of curiosity, was this one of those occasions when a Ukrainian girl comes to the US as a student, works to make some money, travels around the US while she can, and say "if you host me, you get what you want?" LOL.
Yes she was a student and she sent a normal request to stay. Sex wasn't pre planned actually.
Cheers!
Out of curiosity, was this one of those occasions when a Ukrainian girl comes to the US as a student, works to make some money, travels around the US while she can, and say "if you host me, you get what you want?" LOL.
Yes she was a student and she sent a normal request to stay. Sex wasn't pre planned actually.
Cheers!Several years ago when I was still in California, I was on mamba and in communication with girls in Kiev and also with Slavic girls in the US. I suddenly received a message from a Ukrainian girl (who looked beautiful on photo) that went something like, "I am in NY. If you think in the same way as I do, get me a flight ticket from NY to Cali and show me around. I also want to go to Las Vegas." I was not aware of this strategy at the time and was not willing to pay for her flight, so I said, "If you manage to come out to Cali, I will accommodate you and show you around." A few weeks later, when I asked her what's happening, she said, "Someone else already got me the flight ticket, and we are on our way to Las Vegas! So f*** off.".
I wish I had known this strategy and had gotten her the ticket, LOL.
I think this strategy can be still going on today (before and after the pandemic). Some shady agencies in Ukraine provide Ukrainian students with US student visas, who go to the US and work and travel rather than study. This has been going on for years.
No need to regret. You never know if her sponsor had a good time with her. Ukrainian girls are generally good looking and they are very careful to maintain their looks. My limited experience is that they could be real gold diggers if you aren't careful. I was clear about what I'the be willing to spend and what I wouldn't be. So, I didn't overspend. But for the girl I enjoyed with in Barcelona, I made an exception and bought her a nice gift on the last day of our time together. I'm ok to spend extra bucks if my experience goes well. Coming to the couch surfing girl, It needed a nice dinner and drinks to loosen her up and enjoy. I had some nice wine which I got as a gift. I kept it unopened as I'm not much of a wine drinker. She downed the bottle.
Several years ago when I was still in California, I was on mamba and in communication with girls in Kiev and also with Slavic girls in the US. I suddenly received a message from a Ukrainian girl (who looked beautiful on photo) that went something like, "I am in NY. If you think in the same way as I do, get me a flight ticket from NY to Cali and show me around. I also want to go to Las Vegas." I was not aware of this strategy at the time and was not willing to pay for her flight, so I said, "If you manage to come out to Cali, I will accommodate you and show you around." A few weeks later, when I asked her what's happening, she said, "Someone else already got me the flight ticket, and we are on our way to Las Vegas! So f*** off.".
I wish I had known this strategy and had gotten her the ticket, LOL.
I think this strategy can be still going on today (before and after the pandemic). Some shady agencies in Ukraine provide Ukrainian students with US student visas, who go to the US and work and travel rather than study. This has been going on for years.
Hi all,
Here is my full report regarding Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine in April during the Corona time and lock down.
A bit about me, 45 years old, quit good looking. I have some money but not super rich, yet a few times per year I get to a different country or return to a favorite country for some fun activity. Please read my previous reports regarding other*places I have been. Of course my favorite countries are Brazil, Colombia and Germany. A bit Spain I would say maybe too. I really enjoy value-per-money types of girls. Hence, I don't have a problem paying high amount of money to a very good high class lady or a small amount of money to a quick fuck. Of course the best value will be a small amount for good service (Colombia) or amazing service for a huge amount of money (Germany). The worst will be paying a high amount of money for bad service. I usually don't do street activity, since I have more to spend I prefer high class escorts, FKKs, private girls and some strip clubs.
So here is my report for Kiev for being the first time in Ukraine, Kyiv.
The main reason for going to Kyiv is searching for high class ladies for a lower amount than usual. I once took a Czech girl with me for 3 days to a beach resort, she was very sexy with anal and rimming service and price was 3,000 Euros. So I thought I could find a girl to sponsor in Kyiv and some GFE and later on establish a longer relationship with her and have her bringing her friends for sexy time for longer period. (I once also took a high class Dutch girl for 3 days for a higher amount). So what I am searching for is a reliable escort lady I can trust and I know she will be waiting for me and who gives great services and also looks good of course. I am willing to pay though if it is a high quality. So after well known traveling to Germany (my favourite) and other countries I have decided to try Kyiv.
Basically, Kyiv did not stand to my expectation. It was not bad, but it was not good either. I might be back again just to make sure I am not mistaken but basically I would prefer Colombia, Brazil, Spain or Germany.
TL; DR;.
- No good escort service: not reliable, fake photos, photoshop photos.
- Most of the photos are heavily heavily photoshopped.
- Prices are high (not super high, but comparing to the level received).
- Need to work very hard and have many false in order to find some gems.
- You can still find some gems but just after long searching.
- Tinder works but not strong enough.
- Strip club was nice.
Situation is quite bad in Ukraine economically, many girls don't have money for taxis even so they want you to pay ahead, which I never do. I always tell the lady, come, if I don't like you I will at least pay for your taxi between 300 UAH to 500 UAH. But you see the girls are very very suspicious. Not like Germany where they have trust. Here there is no trust so it is very hard to plan ahead and I like to plan ahead.
CoronaVirus status +* traveling:
Ukraine and Kyiv is full of the virus. I am already vaccinated so I was less worried. Almost no one is using a mask. Even though Kyiv is officially in lockdown until the end of April (and maybe will be extended more) there are still many places open under the radar, private parties and restaurants and also some strip clubs. But it is not the great and amazing atmosphere of parties they used to have as I heard. In order to get into the country you need a PCR test from the last 72 hours (you also need enough cash money for the duration of staying and an insurance of an Ukrainian insurance company covering COVID-19 expenses,*please read more here: https://visitukraine.today/ you can also buy insurance there. I did it). Probably you will also need to test PCR test before leaving the country too, so you can do it in Median (Yaroslavska St, 55, Kyiv, Ukraine, 04071), a very nice place to test COVID-19 inside Kyiv for 800 UAH (30 USD) and you can get the results in 24 H by email in English.
Hotel:
I have stayed at the Radisson Blu hotel in the center, Yaroslaviv Val 22. It was a very nice hotel, value for money and quite close to everything. Good thing, they don't care how many girls you*bring to your room and they did not ask any questions. There are also other hotels, I might try another one which is just next to the Princess Strip Club next time I will visit.
Communication:
1. Buy a local SIM.
2. Whatsapp works.
3. Viber works better.
Transportation:
1. Uber works very well.
2. They also have Uklon. But I never tried.
3. Don't take regular taxis.
First day,
I met with a lady that waited for me at the airport, $50 USD per hour. I talked with her already before via whatsapp. She was very communicative. I asked her to wait for me with tight pants. I just love tight pants. She said no problem. When I got to the airport she waited for me with an ugly skirt. It is the girl from the photos alas the photos are very heavily photoshopped and she is 8 years older with a large belly. But at least the same girl. Anyway, we drove together to the hotel. If she was true, I would have taken her for the whole day, but since she wasn't good looking, I let her give me some rimming, paid her for two hours and then she left. Not what I was looking for. In her photo she looked 8 and real life she looked 6 or even 5.5. You are not the girl I was looking for. *https://topescortbabes.com/kiev/escorts/Victoria_946658?18plus=true.
I had another lady in my sleeve, one that had a very skinny body and does anal, also $150 USD for two hours. I asked her to come with tight pants. She said no problem. She did not have a face photo. We said she will come at 14:00. At 14:30 she wrote she is late. She arrived at 15:30. A small ugly girl, although skinny petite*body (authentic photos) but ugly face with crazy attitude (probably she was on cocaine) she couldn't stop moving. Anyhow, anal, rimming and go home. You are not the girl I was looking for.
After those two fall down. I have decided to try an escort agency which I heard was quite good and reliable escort. Vc.
I decided to take a 25 years old lady who does BDSM. I asked that she bring some toys. She arrived on time, she did bring many many BDSM toys. She is the girl from the photos. Alas. She is 31 years old and she looks way below her photoshopped photos and worse than all she hev green teeth and smells from cigarettes. Yuck, I paid her but hated every minute. $200 USD. *https://escort.vc/girl/eva14.
I started to feel very very disappointed.
There was another escort service which I talked with on whatsapp and sent me some interesting photos, but without face. I did not want to call a girl to my room again since I had so many disappointments. They gave me the address and I went there. I should have known better for the way that they explained to me how to get in. There is a large complex of buildings with many entrances when I get to the address with the Uber. So I ask them on whatsapp how to get in? And they say entrance*number 8. There is no entrance 8. So I searched again. Suddenly I see a girl who looks like a working girl so I thought she probably came from there. I ask her and she says take to the left and left again. Number 33. Ahhhhh. But this is entrance number 2!! Anyway I get in. Ugly building, ugly apartment, ugly place. They call all the girls out, around 12 girls. They sit on the sofas in front*and I have to choose. None of them looks very good but not disgusting either. Well, I came to try, so why not to try, since I am already there. I choose a nice young lady. $100 USD for 1 hours. Bad decision. The girl does not speak English and suddenly I see another lovely lady. I asked her to join too. Another $100 USD for 1 hour. Bad decision. At least she speaks English. They both come in and I am having one of the worst service in my life. They don't touch, they don't suck, they don't touch the balls. Bye Bye.
Well, Thomas Edison once asked how he does not quit when none of his bulbs worked. He said "at least I discovered what is not working". So I discovered there is no high class service escort agency or good individual that works well in Kyiv. At least I discovered that.
Second day,
Very disappointed from the ordeal, I have decided to try Tinder. It is amazing to see how each country works differently, for example Tinder does not work well in Colombia at all, but works amazingly well in Russia. I had like 100 matches in Russia!! So I ran over Tinder. I get about 20 matches. But it is very slow to talk with the girls. Some are actually looking for relationships*but some move to whatsapp quite fast. I don't have time to waste on flirting, I am looking for those who are clearly working girls or at least looking for sponsors. Some make it quite difficult trying to play and ask "what will you give me" waiting for me to offer, and the others are more direct to the point. Between $100 USD to one or two hours, going up to $200 USD to $400 USD for all night or a few hours.
Anyhow, there was a very nice cute girl who told me the truth directly: "I don't have work, I need money, Let's meet". She was very cute. So I met with her for coffee. She has a cute face, very authentic, and tells me it is her first time. Very petite. Not gorgeous, but authentic. Things are getting better. Unfortunately she does not look as good as I wish to have her for a longer period. She comes to my room. 2 hours. $100 USD. But she is very nice and charming. Cum in mouth. Really lovely girl but not stunning. I will not see her again. She is not the girl I was looking for.
I tried another girl from escort. Vc. At least this one was cheaper a bit, $150 for an hour. She was the girl from the photos. They were not too much photoshopped and she looked quite good (7). But she was strange in her behaviour and I did not feel the intimacy I was searching for. Too mechanic. https://escort.vc/girl/vika7 - Also not the girl I was looking for.
Here is a good thing. Before the Corona I was traveling a lot. Like every month, been to all South-America (Argentina, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Panama and more, and also Europe, Mostly Germany but also Spain, Greece, Czeck Republic, Poland and also far east, Singapore, Hong-Kong and Japan) and this is the first time I tried this thing. There are local tour guides you can hire to show you the city. So I searched some tour guides in Kiev. And I found some nice diamonds there and frankly I don't know*why I haven't tried this thing before. Please notice, those are not working girls and you will not get anything sexual from them (although I think some might be open). Some of them are real tour guides with license etc', but others are local girls who wish to make some extra bucks and show you the city in authentic way, and some of them are even a bit more than that, I would say it something like a Geisha without anything sexual but you can hire a friend when they even state it, I will be your friend in Kiev (BTW you can find such local guides in other cities too and each one depends on her services. I will surely try next time). So I was chatting with a few, and one of the nicest local lady tour guides, 23 years old, offered to take me to a strip club. Now I was quite worried about stories I have heard how they take you to some dark joint and strip you of your money, but she was from a legitimate tour guide website with many reviews and I have decided to take my chance. I can also read people quite well and she looked very trustworthy. We met for a short coffee during lunch time, just to make sure she fit and also that she will get to know me. I have chatted with a few local tour guides, some were very offended when I offered some night life action or adult entertainment, but most of them were totally ok with it and offered to help me. *https://www.showaround.com/.
She was amazing, she looked quite good, petite also, skinny, beautiful*face. She showed me around the city in a very cool way, took me to open restaurants, took photos of me and was really cool. Helped me to find a place to do the PCR test (see above) and was answering every question I had. She even transferred money for me for one of the girls using her mobile application and I paid her cash. She took $20 USD p / h at night and $15 USD p / h during day time and she was worth every penny.
She took me to Princess Gentleman*Club. That was at least a good part of Kyiv. Although quite pricey it was quite cool. Beautiful dancing girls. Clean place. Not beautiful girls, sorry. Amazingly stunning girls. Young. Fit. Tall. From every flavour. She was really cool and fun!. She booked a great table. She helped me with translation and talked with the girls to negotiate what I liked. She was putting bills in the girls costumes and being there with me. The club was highly enjoyable. Sexy girls dancing on poles. Here are the prices in USD. $15 entrance. $20 for a lap dance of two long songs when the girl takes off everything, you can see her pussy and touch it a bit. You can touch their breasts and butt with no problem. And the girls know their work very well and dance virtuously. I enjoyed it very much. There are other options in the club, but I took the highest one and took a girl from the club to my room: $100 USD per hour. Even cheaper than the ugly disgusting escort they had; and you can see the girl and negotiate with her before* you take her to the hotel to make sure she stands in your expectations and also they give you a bottle of champagne*when you book the girl to your room. Please notice the time starts to count the moment the girl leaves the club, so as long as your hotel is closer is better. Next time I think I will take the hotel just above the club. There are two Princess Strip Clubs in Kiev. I have been to the one on Khreschatyk St, 14 which my tour guide said it is better.
First night I took a very very sexy girl with a round ass for 3 hours to my hotel and she was very good. I enjoyed it so much, so on the third night I went again to the club (with my tour guide of course again) and I took another BDSM girl that was quite submissive and liked my fetishes. So the girls are sexy, better prices, better service. But again, I was looking for someone to sponsor for a longer time and those are not the girls I was looking for.
What is still open and I haven't tried yet because I went back home and I need to try:
A.
There were a few more girls on Tinder and some other sites that looked independent and very sexy and the photos looked real that I should try next time. I have like 15 more numbers of sexy girls. Although the prices are a bit high, when you take them for longer period the price per hour drops drastically. The problem is I haven't found a good looking authentic independent girl in Kiev to want her. But I think I should try and search more because*it seems there is potential but still need to be checked if they are all liars or there are still some good things. I don't care to pay $1000 USD per night for a good looking trustable lady and take her around the world with me. Unfortunately I still haven't met one in Kiev. But I will give it another chance.
B.
Try some erotic massages. For example I discovered that in Poland / Warsaw and also sometimes in Germany you can find real nice girls in massage places. Where the prices are lower, and it is more respected so younger and nicer girls work there, but if they see that you pay good and you are a good looking guy you might establish a nice connection and exchange numbers and have the girl privately. It worked a few times for me in Poland and Germany and I should also try it in Kyiv / Ukraine.
I still feel that between the huge amount of fake photos, scam and photoshop you can find some rough diamonds. I will check it on my second trip. But if this trip fails also. I will drop Ukraine from my list. This is a pity, Ukraine has beautiful girls and low prices. If they would be less scams and fakes and more trust. It could be a great place. But I guess if they would have been true and authentic their economy was also running better and then we should have called it Germany.
So guys, enjoy, and please report your own experience too.
I would love to receive your feedback, but please use nice words.
Sorry for my English since it is not my mother tongue.
DramaFree11
04-23-21, 00:49
Hi all,
Here is my full report regarding Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine in April during the Corona time and lock down.
A bit about me, 45 years old, quit good looking. I have some money but not super rich, yet a few times per year I get to a different country or return to a favorite country for some fun activity. Please read my previous reports regarding other*places I have been. Of course my favorite countries are Brazil, Colombia and Germany. A bit Spain I would say maybe too. I really enjoy value-per-money types of girls. Hence, I don't have a problem paying high amount of money to a very good high class lady or a small amount of money to a quick fuck. Of course the best value will be a small amount for good service (Colombia) or amazing service for a huge amount of money (Germany). The worst will be paying a high amount of money for bad service. I usually don't do street activity, since I have more to spend I prefer high class escorts, FKKs, private girls and some strip clubs.
So here is my report for Kiev for being the first time in Ukraine, Kyiv..Awesome report. Finally guys are speaking the truth about Kiev. A lot work, full of scams and maybe you might get lucky. Kiev is average to mediocre at best! Guys pay attention to the work, money and time this guy put in, and for what bad service and average girls. You can be banging models all over the world for $200-300. If you want real hot girls Kiev is one of the last places I would go. For very average looking girls with high expectations, scams and fake profiles go to Kiev or better visit Odessa you will find exactly what you are looking for.
Great report and thank you for your honesty.
NapataJohn
04-23-21, 01:16
Great report. Can you tell me if the strip club girl does BBBJ?
And how was the WIFI at Radisson Blue?
Can I use my phone (USA) for WhatsApp without changing SIM?
I plan to go in SEP for 2 weeks.
Did you try SA in Kyiv? How would anyone here rate the scene in SA for Ukraine?
Hi all,
Here is my full report regarding Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine in April during the Corona time and lock down.
A bit about me, 45 years old, quit good looking. I have some money but not super rich, yet a few times per year I get to a different country or return to a favorite country for some fun activity. Please read my previous reports regarding other*places I have been. Of course my favorite countries are Brazil, Colombia and Germany. A bit Spain I would say maybe too. I really enjoy value-per-money types of girls. Hence, I don't have a problem paying high amount of money to a very good high class lady or a small amount of money to a quick fuck. Of course the best value will be a small amount for good service (Colombia) or amazing service for a huge amount of money (Germany). The worst will be paying a high amount of money for bad service. I usually don't do street activity, since I have more to spend I prefer high class escorts, FKKs, private girls and some strip clubs.
So here is my report for Kiev for being the first time in Ukraine, Kyiv.
The main reason for going to Kyiv is searching for high class ladies for a lower amount than usual. I once took a Czech girl with me for 3 days to a beach resort, she was very sexy with anal and rimming service and price was 3,000 Euros. So I thought I could find a girl to sponsor in Kyiv and some GFE and later on establish a longer relationship with her and have her bringing her friends for sexy time for longer period. (I once also took a high class Dutch girl for 3 days for a higher amount). So what I am searching for is a reliable escort lady I can trust and I know she will be waiting for me and who gives great services and also looks good of course. I am willing to pay though if it is a high quality. So after well known traveling to Germany (my favourite) and other countries I have decided to try Kyiv.
Basically, Kyiv did not stand to my expectation. It was not bad, but it was not good either. I might be back again just to make sure I am not mistaken but basically I would prefer Colombia, Brazil, Spain or Germany.
TL; DR;.
- No good escort service: not reliable, fake photos, photoshop photos.
- Most of the photos are heavily heavily photoshopped.
- Prices are high (not super high, but comparing to the level received).
- Need to work very hard and have many false in order to find some gems.
- You can still find some gems but just after long searching.
- Tinder works but not strong enough.
- Strip club was nice.
Situation is quite bad in Ukraine economically, many girls don't have money for taxis even so they want you to pay ahead, which I never do. I always tell the lady, come, if I don't like you I will at least pay for your taxi between 300 UAH to 500 UAH. But you see the girls are very very suspicious. Not like Germany where they have trust. Here there is no trust so it is very hard to plan ahead and I like to plan ahead.
CoronaVirus status +* traveling:
Ukraine and Kyiv is full of the virus. I am already vaccinated so I was less worried. Almost no one is using a mask. Even though Kyiv is officially in lockdown until the end of April (and maybe will be extended more) there are still many places open under the radar, private parties and restaurants and also some strip clubs. But it is not the great and amazing atmosphere of parties they used to have as I heard. In order to get into the country you need a PCR test from the last 72 hours (you also need enough cash money for the duration of staying and an insurance of an Ukrainian insurance company covering COVID-19 expenses,*please read more here: https://visitukraine.today/ you can also buy insurance there. I did it). Probably you will also need to test PCR test before leaving the country too, so you can do it in Median (Yaroslavska St, 55, Kyiv, Ukraine, 04071), a very nice place to test COVID-19 inside Kyiv for 800 UAH (30 USD) and you can get the results in 24 H by email in English.
Hotel:
I have stayed at the Radisson Blu hotel in the center, Yaroslaviv Val 22. It was a very nice hotel, value for money and quite close to everything. Good thing, they don't care how many girls you*bring to your room and they did not ask any questions. There are also other hotels, I might try another one which is just next to the Princess Strip Club next time I will visit.
Communication:
1. Buy a local SIM.
2. Whatsapp works.
3. Viber works better.
Transportation:
1. Uber works very well.
2. They also have Uklon. But I never tried.
3. Don't take regular taxis.
First day,
I met with a lady that waited for me at the airport, $50 USD per hour. I talked with her already before via whatsapp. She was very communicative. I asked her to wait for me with tight pants. I just love tight pants. She said no problem. When I got to the airport she waited for me with an ugly skirt. It is the girl from the photos alas the photos are very heavily photoshopped and she is 8 years older with a large belly. But at least the same girl. Anyway, we drove together to the hotel. If she was true, I would have taken her for the whole day, but since she wasn't good looking, I let her give me some rimming, paid her for two hours and then she left. Not what I was looking for. In her photo she looked 8 and real life she looked 6 or even 5.5. You are not the girl I was looking for. *https://topescortbabes.com/kiev/escorts/Victoria_946658?18plus=true.
I had another lady in my sleeve, one that had a very skinny body and does anal, also $150 USD for two hours. I asked her to come with tight pants. She said no problem. She did not have a face photo. We said she will come at 14:00. At 14:30 she wrote she is late. She arrived at 15:30. A small ugly girl, although skinny petite*body (authentic photos) but ugly face with crazy attitude (probably she was on cocaine) she couldn't stop moving. Anyhow, anal, rimming and go home. You are not the girl I was looking for.
After those two fall down. I have decided to try an escort agency which I heard was quite good and reliable escort. Vc.
I decided to take a 25 years old lady who does BDSM. I asked that she bring some toys. She arrived on time, she did bring many many BDSM toys. She is the girl from the photos. Alas. She is 31 years old and she looks way below her photoshopped photos and worse than all she hev green teeth and smells from cigarettes. Yuck, I paid her but hated every minute. $200 USD. *https://escort.vc/girl/eva14.
I started to feel very very disappointed.
There was another escort service which I talked with on whatsapp and sent me some interesting photos, but without face. I did not want to call a girl to my room again since I had so many disappointments. They gave me the address and I went there. I should have known better for the way that they explained to me how to get in. There is a large complex of buildings with many entrances when I get to the address with the Uber. So I ask them on whatsapp how to get in? And they say entrance*number 8. There is no entrance 8. So I searched again. Suddenly I see a girl who looks like a working girl so I thought she probably came from there. I ask her and she says take to the left and left again. Number 33. Ahhhhh. But this is entrance number 2!! Anyway I get in. Ugly building, ugly apartment, ugly place. They call all the girls out, around 12 girls. They sit on the sofas in front*and I have to choose. None of them looks very good but not disgusting either. Well, I came to try, so why not to try, since I am already there. I choose a nice young lady. $100 USD for 1 hours. Bad decision. The girl does not speak English and suddenly I see another lovely lady. I asked her to join too. Another $100 USD for 1 hour. Bad decision. At least she speaks English. They both come in and I am having one of the worst service in my life. They don't touch, they don't suck, they don't touch the balls. Bye Bye.
Well, Thomas Edison once asked how he does not quit when none of his bulbs worked. He said "at least I discovered what is not working". So I discovered there is no high class service escort agency or good individual that works well in Kyiv. At least I discovered that.
Second day,
Very disappointed from the ordeal, I have decided to try Tinder. It is amazing to see how each country works differently, for example Tinder does not work well in Colombia at all, but works amazingly well in Russia. I had like 100 matches in Russia!! So I ran over Tinder. I get about 20 matches. But it is very slow to talk with the girls. Some are actually looking for relationships*but some move to whatsapp quite fast. I don't have time to waste on flirting, I am looking for those who are clearly working girls or at least looking for sponsors. Some make it quite difficult trying to play and ask "what will you give me" waiting for me to offer, and the others are more direct to the point. Between $100 USD to one or two hours, going up to $200 USD to $400 USD for all night or a few hours.
Anyhow, there was a very nice cute girl who told me the truth directly: "I don't have work, I need money, Let's meet". She was very cute. So I met with her for coffee. She has a cute face, very authentic, and tells me it is her first time. Very petite. Not gorgeous, but authentic. Things are getting better. Unfortunately she does not look as good as I wish to have her for a longer period. She comes to my room. 2 hours. $100 USD. But she is very nice and charming. Cum in mouth. Really lovely girl but not stunning. I will not see her again. She is not the girl I was looking for.
I tried another girl from escort. Vc. At least this one was cheaper a bit, $150 for an hour. She was the girl from the photos. They were not too much photoshopped and she looked quite good (7). But she was strange in her behaviour and I did not feel the intimacy I was searching for. Too mechanic. https://escort.vc/girl/vika7 - Also not the girl I was looking for.
Here is a good thing. Before the Corona I was traveling a lot. Like every month, been to all South-America (Argentina, Ecuador, Brazil, Peru, Colombia, Panama and more, and also Europe, Mostly Germany but also Spain, Greece, Czeck Republic, Poland and also far east, Singapore, Hong-Kong and Japan) and this is the first time I tried this thing. There are local tour guides you can hire to show you the city. So I searched some tour guides in Kiev. And I found some nice diamonds there and frankly I don't know*why I haven't tried this thing before. Please notice, those are not working girls and you will not get anything sexual from them (although I think some might be open). Some of them are real tour guides with license etc', but others are local girls who wish to make some extra bucks and show you the city in authentic way, and some of them are even a bit more than that, I would say it something like a Geisha without anything sexual but you can hire a friend when they even state it, I will be your friend in Kiev (BTW you can find such local guides in other cities too and each one depends on her services. I will surely try next time). So I was chatting with a few, and one of the nicest local lady tour guides, 23 years old, offered to take me to a strip club. Now I was quite worried about stories I have heard how they take you to some dark joint and strip you of your money, but she was from a legitimate tour guide website with many reviews and I have decided to take my chance. I can also read people quite well and she looked very trustworthy. We met for a short coffee during lunch time, just to make sure she fit and also that she will get to know me. I have chatted with a few local tour guides, some were very offended when I offered some night life action or adult entertainment, but most of them were totally ok with it and offered to help me. *https://www.showaround.com/.
She was amazing, she looked quite good, petite also, skinny, beautiful*face. She showed me around the city in a very cool way, took me to open restaurants, took photos of me and was really cool. Helped me to find a place to do the PCR test (see above) and was answering every question I had. She even transferred money for me for one of the girls using her mobile application and I paid her cash. She took $20 USD p / h at night and $15 USD p / h during day time and she was worth every penny.
She took me to Princess Gentleman*Club. That was at least a good part of Kyiv. Although quite pricey it was quite cool. Beautiful dancing girls. Clean place. Not beautiful girls, sorry. Amazingly stunning girls. Young. Fit. Tall. From every flavour. She was really cool and fun!. She booked a great table. She helped me with translation and talked with the girls to negotiate what I liked. She was putting bills in the girls costumes and being there with me. The club was highly enjoyable. Sexy girls dancing on poles. Here are the prices in USD. $15 entrance. $20 for a lap dance of two long songs when the girl takes off everything, you can see her pussy and touch it a bit. You can touch their breasts and butt with no problem. And the girls know their work very well and dance virtuously. I enjoyed it very much. There are other options in the club, but I took the highest one and took a girl from the club to my room: $100 USD per hour. Even cheaper than the ugly disgusting escort they had; and you can see the girl and negotiate with her before* you take her to the hotel to make sure she stands in your expectations and also they give you a bottle of champagne*when you book the girl to your room. Please notice the time starts to count the moment the girl leaves the club, so as long as your hotel is closer is better. Next time I think I will take the hotel just above the club. There are two Princess Strip Clubs in Kiev. I have been to the one on Khreschatyk St, 14 which my tour guide said it is better.
First night I took a very very sexy girl with a round ass for 3 hours to my hotel and she was very good. I enjoyed it so much, so on the third night I went again to the club (with my tour guide of course again) and I took another BDSM girl that was quite submissive and liked my fetishes. So the girls are sexy, better prices, better service. But again, I was looking for someone to sponsor for a longer time and those are not the girls I was looking for.
What is still open and I haven't tried yet because I went back home and I need to try:
A.
There were a few more girls on Tinder and some other sites that looked independent and very sexy and the photos looked real that I should try next time. I have like 15 more numbers of sexy girls. Although the prices are a bit high, when you take them for longer period the price per hour drops drastically. The problem is I haven't found a good looking authentic independent girl in Kiev to want her. But I think I should try and search more because*it seems there is potential but still need to be checked if they are all liars or there are still some good things. I don't care to pay $1000 USD per night for a good looking trustable lady and take her around the world with me. Unfortunately I still haven't met one in Kiev. But I will give it another chance.
B.
Try some erotic massages. For example I discovered that in Poland / Warsaw and also sometimes in Germany you can find real nice girls in massage places. Where the prices are lower, and it is more respected so younger and nicer girls work there, but if they see that you pay good and you are a good looking guy you might establish a nice connection and exchange numbers and have the girl privately. It worked a few times for me in Poland and Germany and I should also try it in Kyiv / Ukraine.
I still feel that between the huge amount of fake photos, scam and photoshop you can find some rough diamonds. I will check it on my second trip. But if this trip fails also. I will drop Ukraine from my list. This is a pity, Ukraine has beautiful girls and low prices. If they would be less scams and fakes and more trust. It could be a great place. But I guess if they would have been true and authentic their economy was also running better and then we should have called it Germany.
So guys, enjoy, and please report your own experience too.
I would love to receive your feedback, but please use nice words.
Sorry for my English since it is not my mother tongue.
Detailed report. My experience with Apartments and SA was positive. But considering the current covid situation most of the top quality girls would be sitting it out.
Hi all,
Here is my full report regarding Kiev (Kyiv), Ukraine in April during the Corona time and lock down.
A bit about me, 45 years old, quit good looking. I have some money but not super rich, yet a few times per year I get to a different country or return to a favorite country for some fun activity. Please read my previous reports regarding other*places I have been. Of course my favorite countries are Brazil, Colombia and Germany. A bit Spain I would say maybe too. I really enjoy value-per-money types of girls. Hence, I don't have a problem paying high amount of money to a very good high class lady or a small amount of money to a quick fuck. Of course the best value will be a small amount for good service (Colombia) or amazing service for a huge amount of money (Germany). The worst will be paying a high amount of money for bad service. I usually don't do street activity, since I have more to spend I prefer high class escorts, FKKs, private girls and some strip clubs..
DramaFree11
04-23-21, 14:32
Did you try SA in Kyiv? How would anyone here rate the scene in SA for Ukraine?M.
SA was briefly shut down in Kiev. Many chose to not bring this up, but they do a lot of this when it comes to Kiev,(Guys leave out important details in there reports) It will be the same experience, but more expensive. Full of Scams / Fake Profiles. You will have to meet 20-30 girls to maybe get 2-5 keepers, so do the math and add up the expenses / time.
Awesome report. Finally guys are speaking the truth about Kiev. A lot work, full of scams and maybe you might get lucky. Kiev is average to mediocre at best! Guys pay attention to the work, money and time this guy put in, and for what bad service and average girls. You can be banging models all over the world for $200-300. If you want real hot girls Kiev is one of the last places I would go. For very average looking girls with high expectations, scams and fake profiles go to Kiev or better visit Odessa you will find exactly what you are looking for.
Great report and thank you for your honesty.May be you have better reference points. Which other places would top Kiev in terms of vfm and real hot girls.
Awesome report. Finally guys are speaking the truth about Kiev. A lot work, full of scams and maybe you might get lucky. Kiev is average to mediocre at best! Guys pay attention to the work, money and time this guy put in, and for what bad service and average girls. You can be banging models all over the world for $200-300. If you want real hot girls Kiev is one of the last places I would go. For very average looking girls with high expectations, scams and fake profiles go to Kiev or better visit Odessa you will find exactly what you are looking for.
Great report and thank you for your honesty.Thank you.
I just want to understand if you don't mind. You think in Odessa or Lviv I will be able to find better girls for better price? - Should I try Odessa next time?
Great report. Can you tell me if the strip club girl does BBBJ?
And how was the WIFI at Radisson Blue?
Can I use my phone (USA) for WhatsApp without changing SIM?
I plan to go in SEP for 2 weeks.Hi,
1. Most of the girls does not do BBBJ in the club. You might find one that does but very rarely. The girl from the escort (Vika) did BBBJ.
2. WIFI was very good.
3. I guess you can.
4. Enjoy Kiev in September and drop me a ping, since I might be visiting.
DramaFree11
04-23-21, 15:52
Thank you.
I just want to understand if you don't mind. You think in Odessa or Lviv I will be able to find better girls for better price? - Should I try Odessa next time?Lyviv is beautiful, I am not sure of the girls. There are even more scams in Odessa, I know hard to believe but true. Odessa is fun, in the summer, but you need to be very careful.
NapataJohn
04-23-21, 16:16
Avivis.
I have been to Kiev 2 times before and my experience was quite good I just had not taken girls from strip clubs. That is why I asked.
Ukraine was on my list and I tried to connect with a few girls on SA. They want money even before meeting. Fund transfer etc. LOL.
M.
SA was briefly shut down in Kiev. Many chose to not bring this up, but they do a lot of this when it comes to Kiev,(Guys leave out important details in there reports) It will be the same experience, but more expensive. Full of Scams / Fake Profiles. You will have to meet 20-30 girls to maybe get 2-5 keepers, so do the math and add up the expenses / time.
DramaFree11
04-23-21, 19:58
Ukraine was on my list and I tried to connect with a few girls on SA. They want money even before meeting. Fund transfer etc. LOL.Yep, probably one of the reasons why they were shutdown. The only way to meet girls in Kiev is referral or on the street. Both take a lot of time and energy, and chances are you will still end up with a 6. Why fly across the world for this, you can have this in your home country, Latin America or Europe. Guys claiming they are with multiple 8/9's are lying to themselves and everyone else. They know it and I know it.
Awesome report. Finally guys are speaking the truth about Kiev. A lot work, full of scams and maybe you might get lucky. Kiev is average to mediocre at best! Guys pay attention to the work, money and time this guy put in, and for what bad service and average girls. You can be banging models all over the world for $200-300. If you want real hot girls Kiev is one of the last places I would go. For very average looking girls with high expectations, scams and fake profiles go to Kiev or better visit Odessa you will find exactly what you are looking for.Yes, I totally agree, Kiev is a mediocre place at best to come to if you have no experience here, only have 3 days to be here, and come unprepared. I don't remember a single report where somebody came here for only 3 days with no experience here that has had very much positive to say about this city. Those of us that live here or come here often have very different experiences. Yes yes, I know there are not FKKs here. But you know what, currently none of the FKKs are open so if you went to Germany for 3 days to go to FKKs, you would have a pretty crappy time, too.
Thank you.
I just want to understand if you don't mind. You think in Odessa or Lviv I will be able to find better girls for better price? - Should I try Odessa next time?I think he tries to tell you just the opposite, Odessa is worse than Kiev, lot of scams there.
Thanks by your post, excellent to understand how works Kiev scene, I love stripclubs there best I never saw, but out of this, Kiev offers so few for sex tourism.
DramaFree11
04-24-21, 00:14
Yes, I totally agree, Kiev is a mediocre place at best to come to if you have no experience here, only have 3 days to be here, and come unprepared. I don't remember a single report where somebody came here for only 3 days with no experience here that has had very much positive to say about this city. Those of us that live here or come here often have very different experiences. Yes yes, I know there are not FKKs here. But you know what, currently none of the FKKs are open so if you went to Germany for 3 days to go to FKKs, you would have a pretty crappy time, too.Yummy, I always like you reports and your honesty. I am glad you are having fun in Kiev, your are totally correct if you live there, have local contacts and speak the language you have a great advantage. Kiev is a cool place, and you can have fun if you have realistic expectations. I also believe that this is probably one of the best times in probably 8-10 years. Most of the talent has been forced to return to Kiev with the lockdowns and S. Tourist are at all time low.
Yes, I totally agree, Kiev is a mediocre place at best to come to if you have no experience here, only have 3 days to be here, and come unprepared. I don't remember a single report where somebody came here for only 3 days with no experience here that has had very much positive to say about this city. Those of us that live here or come here often have very different experiences. Yes yes, I know there are not FKKs here. But you know what, currently none of the FKKs are open so if you went to Germany for 3 days to go to FKKs, you would have a pretty crappy time, too.Hi at YummyPL,
Thank you. Might if contact you next time before I travel? Maybe we can meet or at least give me some pointers over for good trustworthy connections? - thanks in advance. I am planning my next trip to be around June.
Member #4722
04-24-21, 23:27
Yummy, I always like you reports and your honesty. I am glad you are having fun in Kiev, your are totally correct if you live there, have local contacts and speak the language you have a great advantage. Kiev is a cool place, and you can have fun if you have realistic expectations. I also believe that this is probably one of the best times in probably 8-10 years. Most of the talent has been forced to return to Kiev with the lockdowns and S. Tourist are at all time low.This is literally the same sentiment states by every poster you have a problem with.
Lucky Nuts
04-25-21, 04:35
Thank you.
I just want to understand if you don't mind. You think in Odessa or Lviv I will be able to find better girls for better price? - Should I try Odessa next time?Odessa is tourist town and thus it is scam city regardless of what country the tourists come from. If you don't speak Russian it's that much harder. I found agencies to send old gals (retired strippers I imagine) willing to visit me. The young hotties are at the strip clubs milking the tourists.
I spent a few days in Lviv last fall and didn't find any girls although I didn't try terribly hard as I was there for other reasons. But I did try a little. I sure wouldn't go there looking for game.
Kyiv is the best option in Ukraine imo. SA is so polluted with scammers it's hardly worth the effort. On my 5 week visit a few months ago I was satisfied with the apartments and Daring Club which is basically set up just like an aparment but with a bar and small dance stage. One hour prices at apartments ranged from 1200 to 4300 and most were 2200. It's a daily search for the diamond in the rough and I found a few.
Hi at YummyPL,
Thank you. Might if contact you next time before I travel? Maybe we can meet or at least give me some pointers over for good trustworthy connections? - thanks in advance. I am planning my next trip to be around June.Send me a PM and we can chat on a messenger.
Thank you.
I just want to understand if you don't mind. You think in Odessa or Lviv I will be able to find better girls for better price? - Should I try Odessa next time?From what I have heard, Odessa is much, much better in the summer than it is off-season. I have never heard anything good about L'viv P4P scene. Kiev is the best place to be the rest of the year. But even Kiev is difficult now for the short time visitor as many, many of the apartments are apparently shut down because of lock down or maybe lack of money flow because of the worldwide bad economy and lack of tourists.
NRandom940
04-25-21, 07:02
Odessa is tourist town and thus it is scam city regardless of what country the tourists come from. If you don't speak Russian it's that much harder. I found agencies to send old gals (retired strippers I imagine) willing to visit me. The young hotties are at the strip clubs milking the tourists.
I spent a few days in Lviv last fall and didn't find any girls although I didn't try terribly hard as I was there for other reasons. But I did try a little. I sure wouldn't go there looking for game.
Kyiv is the best option in Ukraine imo. SA is so polluted with scammers it's hardly worth the effort. On my 5 week visit a few months ago I was satisfied with the apartments and Daring Club which is basically set up just like an aparment but with a bar and small dance stage. One hour prices at apartments ranged from 1200 to 4300 and most were 2200. It's a daily search for the diamond in the rough and I found a few.What's your favorite site for finding the apartments?
I found Barcelona to be an awesome place for finding sugar babes. Spain in general is good hunting ground on SA. Berlin is another place where I found good bang for the buck. I'm tempted to visit Brazil. The reviews are looking great.
Yep, probably one of the reasons why they were shutdown. The only way to meet girls in Kiev is referral or on the street. Both take a lot of time and energy, and chances are you will still end up with a 6. Why fly across the world for this, you can have this in your home country, Latin America or Europe. Guys claiming they are with multiple 8/9's are lying to themselves and everyone else. They know it and I know it.
Lucky Nuts
04-26-21, 02:31
What's your favorite site for finding the apartments?I'm not aware of a website to find the apartments. But most are shut down now anyhow due to Covid. When normalcy returns just walk around outside near clubs frequented by tourists like the strip clubs and Darling Club. There are guys called "agents" hanging out in front of these clubs looking for tourist guys hoping to find the action. They will direct you or take you to the apartments. PM me if you want and I could give you a couple agent contacts.
NapataJohn
04-26-21, 03:07
LuckyNuts.
This was one of the most valuable info given in quite a few years on the Kiev forum. Many thanks.
I'm not aware of a website to find the apartments. But most are shut down now anyhow due to Covid. When normalcy returns just walk around outside near clubs frequented by tourists like the strip clubs and Darling Club. There are guys called "agents" hanging out in front of these clubs looking for tourist guys hoping to find the action. They will direct you or take you to the apartments. PM me if you want and I could give you a couple agent contacts.
HessenStud
04-26-21, 07:33
There is already a lot of discuss about Mamba and SA, but none of them is free. Recently I found a new one, but only in Russian. It seems to be free, any Russian speakers can take a look? https://keksik.net.
....Excellent field report, thanks for sharing, also sorry that many of your encounters were not up to par. Hopefully next time you'll do better.
...Keksik is a great site. It is basically the new UKRGO when it comes to Indies placing small ads. As with every advertising site globally, there are still lots of repurposed and or photoshopped pictures. However there are many indies worth booking on there. I visited this one for example https://keksik.net/a/hsIqg2N3 and got an excellent service for 2000 UAH, everything was included.
... the apartments. But most are shut down now anyhow due to Covid... As for some inside information regarding the Apartments, on 3rd March at about 4 am, nearly all of them shut down at once. I could see this from my online status on Telegram. I checked with some locals hooked into the Kyiv scene, and it turns out that most apartments are run by one firm. During the COVID period they were breaking more or less even, due to the reduced amount of customers. Since running the apartments is admin and resource intensive, the firm chose to just shut the whole thing down and focus on other more profitable activities.
Only in the last few days have I seen new "apartments" start up to replace those that disappeared.
Finding apartments is easy peasy, just check online ads, any that have WhatsApp & Viber & Telegram are apartments. Indies don't normally bother, or just use one of those services.
Hello,
I was not in Kiev for a long time, so I can not report but will ask a favor from the members. I will be in Kiev for only 2 days, and will work doing the day, I will stay in a hotel and will have time only to invite a girl to my room, I know it's more easy to look around for a girl, but I do not have the time to go to a clob, my only option to find a normal girl and not to get cheap is to go to a agency, is there any reliable agency in Kiev? BTW its use to be a GIA agency in kive, is this still up?
Thanks for your understanding, and after my trip I will report back my experience. Thanks.
PhotoSlider
04-27-21, 23:32
Keksik is a great site. It is basically the new UKRGO when it comes to Indies placing small ads. As with every advertising site globally, there are still lots of repurposed and or photoshopped pictures. However there are many indies worth booking on there. I visited this one for example https://keksik.net/a/hsIqg2N3 and got an excellent service for 2000 UAH, everything was included.VinDici,
Thank you for trustworthy info on apartments. It is so much better than thinking, extrapolating, speculating, online reading, emailing and jumping to conclusions, frequently wrong ones)).
On the other hand, that keksik URL shows a 36 years old woman with size 7 bra. Tastes differ, no doubt, but she is not exactly the type for which too many would travel that far with the hope of spending their hard earned cash.
Those that visited recently, or are in Kiev now, get young girls of significantly more attractive phenotype. Probably more expensive, and not all of them are as accommodating. And by no means I question your preferences, as I am omnivorous myself.
You didn't mention how long this 2000 UAH was for? For a week? Or maybe she is the magician in bed.
I did have a 40 years old in Kiev in 2018, she was all inclusive, and indeed 2000 for any length, usually 5-7 hours, frequently overnight. She was palatable. I kicked her out when she started insisting on BBFS.
There are younger females for sure at that keksik resource. Either way trial and error takes time in Kiev. Establishing connection with agency dispatchers or girls and their friends to source the talent with better probability helps. Otherwise it becomes single threaded, and prone to failures. You already explained how to identify agencies there. Cast the net wide, allocate sufficient time and money, then narrow down to those with better performance, and do not expect drive-through FKK experience from Kiev.
At the very least you provided resource to be tested, rather that explaining theoretical reasons why Kiev is terrible.
Cheers!
On the other hand, that keksik URL shows a 36 years old woman with size 7 bra. Tastes differ, no doubt, but she is not exactly the type for which too many would travel that far with the hope of spending their hard earned cash.
You didn't mention how long this 2000 UAH was for? For a week? Or maybe she is the magician in bed.
I did have a 40 years old in Kiev in 2018, she was all inclusive, and indeed 2000 for any length, usually 5-7 hours, frequently overnight. She was palatable. I kicked her out when she started insisting on BBFS.The 2000 UAH for for 1 hour outcall, although she stayed longer and was not looking at her watch. Her body shape was unbelievable, reasonably slim with size 7 chest! I tend to go for BBW shape so this one is slimmer than my regular type. I saw her twice, once as incall and then again as an outcall, she would not do an outcall for a first visit.
I also frequently book for 1 hour and get much longer, but then I ensure that my outcall premises is attractive and well appointed, giving the girl a reason to stay.
For those looking for model types, I agree that finding that type of girl at a reasonable price, that also provides an honest service, is getting more and more difficult.
Lucky for me, I have no interest in such girls, and for my particular preferences Kyiv is a paradise, plenty of MILF types and BBWs.
VinDici,
I did have a 40 years old in Kiev in 2018, she was all inclusive, and indeed 2000 for any length, usually 5-7 hours, frequently overnight. She was palatable. I kicked her out when she started insisting on BBFS.I rode your message and got shocked about this, what could be the reason an escort begs you for bareback sex? Because she enjoys or she wants to make her a kid?
Ivan Buyan
04-28-21, 16:02
I keep on seeing the banners, and I did check them out on their telegraph channel, but has anyone tried them? Seems like a free for all site, so I guess it is a bit of a hit and miss?Hey buddy,
I live in Kyiv and even though I am young and know the Russian language pretty well and I don't have any difficulties with local women, I do love OMG from time to time.
I used it several times and I may say that despite some obvious drawbacks that each of escort services has, OMG is improving (I am using it since October) and their service and customer attitude is getting better with time.
So why I like it.
1) Their girls are verified and I never had an unexpected surprise. Of course, some profiles are heavily photoshoped but you may discover it before buying the girl's contact + you may also ask a girl to do a video call and see her live.
2) Whenever I had some troubles with a girl (I bought I girl's contact but she did not reply), I had money returned to my account by OMG support.
3) OMG closed parties! I was invited to their New Year party to a very cool place in the city center where they had like 30+ young and charming escort girls of all shapes and tempers and you could spend few hours partying with them and deciding who you like most.
Why I did not like it:
The price of some girls. Even though some of them look super hot and have gorgeous bodies, they are often overpriced. So if you are on a tight budget, then OMG is not for you.
But! They have new girls every week, so if you follow them on Telegram, you can fing really cheap GEMs.
And my best advice on how to save on OMG in Kyiv. Invite a girl from another city. They are cheaper there and they are still super hot.
Ivan Buyan
04-29-21, 12:48
I'm not aware of a website to find the apartments. But most are shut down now anyhow due to Covid. When normalcy returns just walk around outside near clubs frequented by tourists like the strip clubs and Darling Club. There are guys called "agents" hanging out in front of these clubs looking for tourist guys hoping to find the action. They will direct you or take you to the apartments. PM me if you want and I could give you a couple agent contacts.Hey guys, so I have been using this site https://www.dobovo.com/ for apartments since 2011. I have even been to their main office once which used to be close to Arena.
I still like AirBnB but in case you need some alternative, you can totally trust Dobovo.
Lucky Nuts
04-30-21, 05:18
Hey guys, so I have been using this site https://www.dobovo.com/ for apartments since 2011. I have even been to their main office once which used to be close to Arena.
I still like AirBnB but in case you need some alternative, you can totally trust Dobovo.I agree that airbnb is great to find apartments to sleep. I was talking about apartments where you can find girls for sex.
Hey buddy,
I live in Kyiv and even though I am young and know the Russian language pretty well and I don't have any difficulties with local women, I do love OMG from time to time.
I used it several times and I may say that despite some obvious drawbacks that each of escort services has, OMG is improving (I am using it since October) and their service and customer attitude is getting better with time.
So why I like it.
1) Their girls are verified and I never had an unexpected surprise. Of course, some profiles are heavily photoshoped but you may discover it before buying the girl's contact + you may also ask a girl to do a video call and see her live.
2) Whenever I had some troubles with a girl (I bought I girl's contact but she did not reply), I had money returned to my account by OMG support.
3) OMG closed parties! I was invited to their New Year party to a very cool place in the city center where they had like 30+ young and charming escort girls of all shapes and tempers and you could spend few hours partying with them and deciding who you like most.
Why I did not like it:
The price of some girls. Even though some of them look super hot and have gorgeous bodies, they are often overpriced. So if you are on a tight budget, then OMG is not for you.
But! They have new girls every week, so if you follow them on Telegram, you can fing really cheap GEMs.
And my best advice on how to save on OMG in Kyiv. Invite a girl from another city. They are cheaper there and they are still super hot.Please provide a link to this OMG website if you could. Thanks.
HessenStud
04-30-21, 06:36
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Please provide a link to this OMG website if you could. Thanks.http://ohmygirls.agency/
What are the prices if you don't main me asking?
Why I did not like it:
The price of some girls. Even though some of them look super hot and have gorgeous bodies, they are often overpriced. So if you are on a tight budget, then OMG is not for you.
But! They have new girls every week, so if you follow them on Telegram, you can fing really cheap GEMs.
And my best advice on how to save on OMG in Kyiv. Invite a girl from another city. They are cheaper there and they are still super hot.
PhotoSlider
05-01-21, 04:27
I rode your message and got shocked about this, what could be the reason an escort begs you for bareback sex? Because she enjoys or she wants to make her a kid?Since I didn't care for either, I didn't ask. Not just with her, but in general. I am past the age where I need kids, and I personally do not see any difference between covered or bareback, even oral. To each his own. My health is more important, so is the health of other girls that I may meet.
One might argue that DFK and DATY may still transmit. Yes, and AFAIK probability is much lower.
FilthyBeaver
05-01-21, 16:24
After almost a year of waiting patiently, I was finally able to book a flight to Kiev. For the last week of May. I've read this thread a lot and have tested online searching for girls. I don't have the feel for 'the hunt' anymore, and I've learned in the last couple of years that two regulars with whom the sex is always great is way better than 10 new girls a year.
I don't speak nor understand any Russian or Ukraine, only English. So I realize that my chances for a good time in Kiev, apart the joys of regular tourism and eye-candy, are low.
I'll try to use some of the agencies through Telegram / Viber and put on an upgraded (paid) profile Badoo, Tinder and Mamba (maybe a month or couple of weeks before the trip) and hope for the best. I haven't ever used "apartments" or "salons", and since I don't know the language and have heard that it's quite a luck to find good looking girls there, I might not take the risk. I'd feel it a bit unsafe to go to such places and socially unease if I would have to decline the girls presented for me.
If the covid-situation gets better and the Kiev will be otherwise a good experience, I'll go for a Minsk-Kiev trip at the end of summer.
I don't know if it's customary here, but if someone feels like he could have any good connections to share with me, I'd be glad to know. If I understood correctly, getting the subscription for the forum will allow the sending and receiving of private messages.This is not pointed at you desin, but I'm going to share what works for me.
I've been quite entertained by people complaining about scams and prices. Take two steps back and consider what you're asking of another person, probably young enough to be your daughter or at a minimum, much younger cousin. To complain about scams and prices is laughable, they have been around as long as the profession and they occur everywhere. When the events of your trip are all said and done it's success all comes down to your attitude and chemistry with the other person and to a very minor extent, what you spent.
Very experienced monger here all over the world. Very very picky, on a recent (first) trip to Kyiv I went to three strip clubs saw three girls I'd actually be willing to pay for and took one so say 3% of the 100 girls I saw (one was not available at any price, one I didn't ask, the last one changed my life) I'd actually be willing to spend time with outside the club. I don't waste my time with mobile apps or agencies, they all lie and they all show pictures that are heavily photoshoped or 5 years & 50 pounds old. No, I buy my girls the way I buy my groceries, in person. And also like my groceries I expect to have to put in a little time and effort to make the ingredients taste the way I like. And just like my cooking skills, sometimes I fuck up some perfectly fine ingredients.
The guys saying the girls are ugly are full of shit. Slavs are total babes, look at all the eastern European supermodels. They're either not willing to spend the money or can't afford talent. I also like them younger than 25. I'm late 40's, short, and not Caucasian. I've been told I'm attractive (by people I haven't paid) but I don't think I am.
Being an English speaker with no Russian or Ukrainian skills, I decided that I would hire a tour guide. I used Show around and found two guides, one from each gender. An attractive female because, hey you never know, and an experienced guy who could get me to the sure thing. The guys are out there and not difficult to find so if you are there for two weeks or less that is the single best piece of advice I can give.
I've got money but I try not to flash it, I've got a confidence because of it and I guess that's readable. Having a native doing my bidding is probably an attention contributor as well but I had a discussion before going in that we'd need to give the vibe that we're good friends and I think we were successful.
8 days into a 14 day trip we ended up at Harem (he wasn't with me all 8 days), my guide was getting frustrated that I had not taken anyone thus far in the 3 joints we had previously visited. A girl who spoke perfect English propositions me and I was interested but not sold because she didn't quite meet my standards. Lucky for me she left to do something for over an hour and in that time another girl caught my eye. She kept walking back and forth across the floor as advertisement but didn't smile and didn't make eye contact with anyone. The second I saw her I was ready to leave with her and I kept trying to make eye contact and get her attention but she either acted like she didn't see me or just plain ignored me. After 15 min of trying on my own I got my guide to get her attention. He's a tall good looking guy about 20 years younger than me. When she came over to talk to him her face lit up with a gorgeous smile, which wasn't at all surprising because I saw him get hit on more in the time I was with him than I've been hit on in my entire life. When he told her that I was the one who was interested her smile got even bigger and she had me. One massive problem, she spoke no English. I've had this problem almost everywhere, believe me, if they like you that will not be a problem. In fact it gives you something to giggle about when you're not banging and Google translate is amazingly reliable with Russian if you keep it at one or two sentences and try not to be too eloquent.
I'll leave out the rest but the following is probably very useful:
Harem has three fine prices if you want to take a girl, 2 HR, 3 HR, and all night (which is actually only 5 hrs). I don't remember the prices because the first night I took her for 2 hrs then extended it an hour when I knew there were fireworks. The extension was about as much as the 2 HR fine. Every night after that I took her for all night which was around $280. Manager told me I could indeed have her all night without any additional fine after my second day in a row so I'd get her at 8 and she'd leave around 5 or 6.
The girls will be penalized 10000 hyrivna and even fired for contacting customers outside of work. Incidentally, 2 hours after she told me this she came back to my hotel just after she was released from work and stayed until 6 pm that day when she had a nail appointment. She has since told me they fired a large number of girls in Feb for having contact with customers outside and would not be replacing them until summer. Business is slow because of covid so I'm sure that played a part as well.
The girls are on a set work schedule and cannot just call in sick, if they like you and you want to pay them outside of the club, they must provide a doctor's note or some proof as to why they missed a shift.
The girls are not required to do anything at any time other than show up. They can stay in the dressing room all night with no penalty, the club will not force them to dance, drink, or leave with customers. Obviously if they don't do these things they won't make money either.
The club is open during the lockdown. Tell the guard downstairs why you're there or look like a tourist and you'll get in.
I've been chatting with this girl almost daily for several months and I'm going back to see her at the end of this month. Since I've been able to give her notice to plan, she was able to take two days off (they wouldn't give her more because of short staffing) and we'll go to Odesa together for 4 days. After that I'll just buy her out of the club every night.
I'm under no delusions, again, I'm an experienced monger. I've only pulled a relationship off like this 3-4 times and I've been married for most of my mongering career. There's a hell of a lot of luck, your game, and to a lesser extent what you're will to spend. Money only gets you in the door, if you want fireworks you're going to need to put in some effort or shop around a lot until it falls in your lap.
BTW, she wouldn't let me give her anything extra while I was there, not even cab fare back to the club. I eventually got the point I was slipping 1 or 2 $100 bills in her purse when she went to the bathroom. For me that is a small price to pay to let her know I'm interested and to keep this party going on future visits. Since I left, I gave her $1000 to get into a modest apartment on her own because she was having roommate issues and I offered to replaced her cracked old cell phone with an iphone. For the experience, those are very small prices to pay.
What are the prices if you don't main me asking?The link is literally below your post, did you open it and try it?
Police busted one of the Kyiv agencies. No mention of customers arrested.
https://korrespondent.net/city/kiev/4355469-v-kyeve-zaderzhaly-hruppu-sutenerov
https://kyiv.npu.gov.ua/news/novini/stolichni-pravooxoronczi-vikrili-zlochinnu-grupu-osib-yaka-organizuvala-nezakonnij-biznes-iz-nadannya-seksualnix-poslug/
By now I have successfully imported 2 Kiev regulars to the country of my 3-month residency out of the Schengen but in the EU.
I also paid for the PCR tests for them to come into my country and for them to go back into Ukraine.
I will also be fully vaccinated with Pfizer vaccines by the end of May. But I am still not sure if I want to go back to Ukraine straight away. There will still be 10 % chances for me to catch covid-19 and less chances in ending up in hospitals in Ukraine, which is the last thing I want, especially when I don't speak much of Russian or Ukrainian.
I saw a chart on BBC that lists which country will be back to normal economically in what year. According to this chart, Ukraine will be back to normal in early 2023.
Sorry, but I'd rather keep my privacy private :) and would rather not reveal where I am.
I have flights reserved for end of may trip. I know that it sounds risky but it has been more than a year that I am looking to visit there and cancelled my flights so many times. I'm not cancelling this time. Main focus will be showaound, massage parlors and stripclubs. I am ok too come back and quarantine in Norway if that is what is needed.
I believe that talent is Ukraine must be desperate. Also I'm confident that most of them are now stuck in Ukraine looking for any opportunity wish me good health. I'll try to be as safe as it practilly possible in this visit.
Does anybody know if morning after pill is readily available in Kiev?
FilthyBeaver
05-10-21, 03:05
Why do you think it's risky? I went last last year and I'm leaving again in the new few weeks for a shorter trip. Lockdown is over and the clubs are open. Not sure I'd take the "talent must be desperate" attitude with me but to each his own. In my experience, getting someone to give you the goods regularly and of their own free will is directly proportional to your first impression and trying to get them for the least amount of cost is a major downer to top talent.
Aside from that, your plan is sound but if you want to score someone from showaround you need to start working on her now. The nice thing (only nice thing) about clubs and parlors is that they're mostly a sure thing.
I have flights reserved for end of may trip. I know that it sounds risky but it has been more than a year that I am looking to visit there and cancelled my flights so many times. I'm not cancelling this time. Main focus will be showaound, massage parlors and stripclubs. I am ok too come back and quarantine in Norway if that is what is needed.
I believe that talent is Ukraine must be desperate. Also I'm confident that most of them are now stuck in Ukraine looking for any opportunity wish me good health. I'll try to be as safe as it practilly possible in this visit.
Why do you think it's risky? I went last last year and I'm leaving again in the new few weeks for a shorter trip. Lockdown is over and the clubs are open. Not sure I'd take the "talent must be desperate" attitude with me but to each his own. In my experience, getting someone to give you the goods regularly and of their own free will is directly proportional to your first impression and trying to get them for the least amount of cost is a major downer to top talent.
Aside from that, your plan is sound but if you want to score someone from showaround you need to start working on her now. The nice thing (only nice thing) about clubs and parlors is that they're mostly a sure thing.Thank you for your genuine reply. I was considering risk in terms of Covid asked not crime or being cheated. I have very pleasant experiences there and I can manage to squeeze out few good experiences this time too. I agree that the expectation are relative to first experiences and I think if we are not cheap and balance the respect of girls vs expectations out of meeting and money paid, Then most of the time we get what were expect.
Regarding show around girls, I agree that it involves game and patience and is not a sure thing. That is three reason I added this among other sure things just to spice up three trip.
out of the Schengen but in the EU.You can't be in the UK if you are easily importing Ukrainian girls, so you have greatly reduced the possibilities of where you are.
The weather was beautiful in Kiev today. Girls in sexy outfits all around. Spent much of the weekend with my sonsorette, fucked a regular this morning, and am fucking a new girl claiming to be 18 tomorrow morning if she shows up, will be with my sponsorette again on Wednesday, and a very hot 19 year old emerging regular on Thursday. Have 3 other new girls in the hopper for when I have time. Life is good.
As always, I am probably spending more than I have to but my value for the dollar is better than anywhere else I have mongered in Europe.
Reiner Otto
05-19-21, 19:41
Will be in Kiev 10-June, for a few days only. As there are good prices both for Hotel Ukraina, and Premier Rus:
Where are more or better girls directly in the house to be found? Which hotel is more "girlfriendly" ?
Thanks a lot in advance.
...there are good prices both for Hotel Ukraina, and Premier Rus:
Which hotel is more "girlfriendly" ?Unless you want to make use of the concierge, I would skip Hotels entirely and go for a luxury apartment from Dobovo (AirBNB type site in UA). You'll not have a problem bringing girls in, and you'll get a much nicer place to stay in for the same amount of cash, a decent sized fridge for a change and no judgement from reception when you're bringing in girl after girl, day after day, night after night.
http://ohmygirls.***/Wow, crazy prices if it is even real. You pay $20 to access and about $20-30 just to get their number + $150 for the girl!
That said, I just arrived in Kyiv for two weeks. Will see how the mongering goes.
"out of the Schengen but in the EU."
You can't be in the UK if you are easily importing Ukrainian girls, so you have greatly reduced the possibilities of where you are.Well, I can't be in the UK because the UK is no longer in the EU. :).
The weather was beautiful in Kiev today. Girls in sexy outfits all around. Spent much of the weekend with my sonsorette, fucked a regular this morning, and am fucking a new girl claiming to be 18 tomorrow morning if she shows up, will be with my sponsorette again on Wednesday, and a very hot 19 year old emerging regular on Thursday. Have 3 other new girls in the hopper for when I have time. Life is good.I want a piece of this pie!
I don't know what's going on in Ukraine as far as the vaccination goes, but if I'm fully vaccinated, why worry about it, right? Even though Pfizer may not prevent the 10% of the receivers from contacting the virus, it supposedly prevents serious illness or hospitalization almost 100%.
So I'm thinking about going into Kiev just for a few weeks in the coming months. But to seek out of my circle of regulars to get a piece of this pie would take a lot of work, so I might not go out of it and just enjoy what the weather has to bring OUT!
One thing I should consider is that because it could be difficult for the Ukrainians to go out of Ukraine for vacation this summer, they might just stick to the Odesa area. If they want to go out of Ukraine, they will probably need to take PCR test twice, to go out and to come back. I don't need to hit the unpleasant beaches in Odesa because I have been continuously hitting nicer beaches ever since I got out of Ukraine last September.
Is Mamba dead? I messaged a lot of girls, but only a couple average looking ones replied. Such a time waster as I have a VPN as was messaging girls before I came here. I guess the easy days of Kyiv are over.
FilthyBeaver
05-24-21, 01:20
Is Mamba dead? I messaged a lot of girls, but only a couple average looking ones replied. Such a time waster as I have a VPN as was messaging girls before I came here. I guess the easy days of Kyiv are over.It has been a complete waste of time for me, nevermind the money. Mostly scammers and inactive accounts. In a month I've had conversations with two real people, neither of them were what I'm looking for. I get likes several times a day by either cougars (I'm late 40's so do the math there) or models who have only ever been to one place you've ever actually heard of and Nigeria. I was counting just now and I've been hit on the by the same scammer using the same pictures in 6 different accounts in the last three weeks.
That app is only working for developers.
Ivan Buyan
05-24-21, 11:50
Wow, crazy prices if it is even real. You pay $20 to access and about $20-30 just to get their number + $150 for the girl!
That said, I just arrived in Kyiv for two weeks. Will see how the mongering goes.Hey buddy,
Being the loyal customer who gets bonuses from time to time (like secret parties invitations) I may say that OMG girls are totally real but some of them are overpriced and definitely not worth the money. The good thing is paying for the number once you can meet the girl as many times as you want and negotiate on the "discount" later. Some girls are really pro and all they care about is money but for some you can become a good friend and have free sex from time to time. I met one girl on the New Year OMG party, paid her couple times (400 dollar a night + dinner) but after we hang out together with her and her friends in Kyiv and Odesa.
It's all about your personality, escort girls are humans, they also like interesting people and good attitude.
SexBomb123
05-24-21, 14:55
Hi all,
Finally back to Ukraine next week.
Can anyone recommend a good place to find active numbers of apartments or escorts in Kyiv and Kharkiv please, assuming Mamba is a waste of time and money these days?
I found a few by searching on Telegram but there isn't much action, especially in Kharkiv.
Thanks!
Since March. When they has lockdown all main salons and their are closed and their numbers are disconnected. Am I wrong? Can anyone confirm that?
It's all about your personality, escort girls are humans, they also like interesting people and good attitude.This is such a basic thing, and it's sad that it needs to be pointed out. I've been doing this a long time, and by treating escorts with mutual respect, I get so much more from bookings. Any escorts that mistake my kindness for weakness, are dismissed very quickly, the others however have developed long standing mutually beneficial relationships.
Since March. When they has lockdown all main salons and their are closed and their numbers are disconnected. Am I wrong? Can anyone confirm that?Yes, they are closed, you can read about it further in this thread.
Can anyone recommend a good place to find active numbers of apartments or escorts in Kyiv and Kharkiv please, assuming Mamba is a waste of time and money these days?Just search on Keksik and any girls with a blatantly fake picture whose phone number is also connected to Telegram, will be an apartment / salon. You will find more than 10 just by doing a few minutes research.
Yes, they are closed, you can read about it further in this thread.So there are no salons open?
What happened that all of the apartments are closed?
Appreciate if anyone know.
What happened that all of the apartments are closed? Appreciate if anyone know.There are new Salons around, you'll find them if you follow my instructions below. If you read further in this thread you'll find the answer to your other questions too -.
There are new Salons around, you'll find them if you follow my instructions below. If you read further in this thread you'll find the answer to your other questions too.I searched and only found the reason why all salons are closed (police raid.)
But couldn't find any info or number or the new ones. Can you please maybe attached your message or rewrite in short?
Much appreciated!
It has been a complete waste of time for me, nevermind the money. Mostly scammers and inactive accounts. In a month I've had conversations with two real people, neither of them were what I'm looking for. I get likes several times a day by either cougars (I'm late 40's so do the math there) or models who have only ever been to one place you've ever actually heard of and Nigeria. I was counting just now and I've been hit on the by the same scammer using the same pictures in 6 different accounts in the last three weeks.
That app is only working for developers.I verified my photo on Mamba which made things better. Had a petite 20 yo who was fun, but expensive. 3000 UAH for an hour, but she was super my type. Seems like everyone wants 3000 on there now in Kyiv. Blah.
That said, yes Mamba is mostly a waste of time. 95% of the girls are using filters to change their appearance. Make sure you never give your hotel room or apartment number to a stranger. I was supposed to meet a cute girl yesterday in front of a cafe, but she didn't look like her photos at all. Luckily I was wearing sunglasses and a mask. So, I just kept walking by. Haha I would also suggest using only Telegram because you can hide your phone number. I had a "hobby" phone with my UAH sim and after giving my number out to a few people on Tinder and Mamba I have started to get random messages.
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