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FilthyBeaver
05-27-21, 00:00
Not to sound like a ******* but 3000 for someone I find attractive is inexpensive in my book. I'm so picky that I'll almost pay anything for someone who can make be rise before I see them naked.
I verified my photo on Mamba which made things better. Had a petite 20 yo who was fun, but expensive. 3000 UAH for an hour, but she was super my type. Seems like everyone wants 3000 on there now in Kyiv. Blah.
That said, yes Mamba is mostly a waste of time. 95% of the girls are using filters to change their appearance. Make sure you never give your hotel room or apartment number to a stranger. I was supposed to meet a cute girl yesterday in front of a cafe, but she didn't look like her photos at all. Luckily I was wearing sunglasses and a mask. So, I just kept walking by. Haha I would also suggest using only Telegram because you can hide your phone number. I had a "hobby" phone with my UAH sim and after giving my number out to a few people on Tinder and Mamba I have started to get random messages.
Not to sound like a ******* but 3000 for someone I find attractive is inexpensive in my book. I'm so picky that I'll almost pay anything for someone who can make be rise before I see them naked.Yes, I agree. Seems others may disagree, but just wanted to be honest about prices. With that said, Kyiv has gotten really expensive for daily life and mongering. I will check out Dnipro and Kharkiv for the first time soon. Then will decide if this is my last trip to Ukraine. Funny how now Budapest and Prague are the cheaper way to go to. Slavic girls are still my favorite though.
Also, edit your photos with an app. Just takes a few minutes to look five years younger. All the girls are doing it. Why can't we! Not like they will change their mind when they are minutes away from money.
couldn't find any info or number or the new ones. Can you please maybe attached your message or rewrite in short?I already shared how to find the numbers yourself in a post 3 below your *rolleyes.
Just search on Keksik and any girls with a blatantly fake picture whose phone number is also connected to Telegram, will be an apartment / salon. You will find more than 10 just by doing a few minutes research.I would only ever share numbers via PM, I don't post such things publically, if you send me a PM, I'll share a couple to get you started.
Not to sound like a ******* but 3000 for someone I find attractive is inexpensive in my book. I'm so picky that I'll almost pay anything for someone who can make be rise before I see them naked.I have seen this mistake being done time and time again and people still don't get it to this very day. I know some lads that have been visiting Pattaya for 20 years now and every 2-3 years they complain about prices going up and quality going down.
But when they have a 9/10 spinner on top of them they are willing to pay 2-3 k baht for an hour. And then they keep wondering why these girls don't go for the standard rates of 1 k anymore. ITS BECAUSE THEY THINK WITH THEIR WIENERS!
Now we are talking about Kiev obviously. Different market, different prices but same rules apply. You pay a girl 3000 UAH a few times and she will be asking for that amount from future Johns as well. And so the spiral begins, next one will be like "I need to fuck her" and offer 3. 500 and that's how you end up with these ridiculous "Escort" ads that ask for 4 k an hour. Mate most girls you can still easily get for 1. 5 k.
One might think that the Covid induced economic impact in the Ukraine would lead to REDUCED prices. Well not if you guys overpay like crazy. In 10 years it will be normal to pay these chicks 3 k for a handjob for fucks sake.
FilthyBeaver
05-27-21, 16:37
What a dolt. The mistake is yours. If you think pussy isn't subject to inflation just like everything else on the planet you're a fool. If you're too cheap to pay someone what they're asking, especially considering what you're asking them to do with their bodies, you'll never understand this. I'll happily pay more to price people like you out.
Higher prices means more attractive girls actually considering this line of work to make whatever ends they need to meet. That is a good thing, because it drives down the price for an average looking girl.
Go back to Pattaya and get a handful of girls from Issan and that's exactly what you'll have for 1500. I like mine from the northwest, they are considerably more expensive and worth every penny. You won't find them in a shithole like Pattaya.
I have seen this mistake being done time and time again and people still don't get it to this very day. I know some lads that have been visiting Pattaya for 20 years now and every 2-3 years they complain about prices going up and quality going down.
But when they have a 9/10 spinner on top of them they are willing to pay 2-3 k baht for an hour. And then they keep wondering why these girls don't go for the standard rates of 1 k anymore. ITS BECAUSE THEY THINK WITH THEIR WIENERS!
Now we are talking about Kiev obviously. Different market, different prices but same rules apply. You pay a girl 3000 UAH a few times and she will be asking for that amount from future Johns as well. And so the spiral begins, next one will be like "I need to fuck her" and offer 3. 500 and that's how you end up with these ridiculous "Escort" ads that ask for 4 k an hour. Mate most girls you can still easily get for 1. 5 k.
I have seen this mistake being done time and time again and people still don't get it to this very day. I know some lads that have been visiting Pattaya for 20 years now and every 2-3 years they complain about prices going up and quality going down.
But when they have a 9/10 spinner on top of them they are willing to pay 2-3 k baht for an hour. And then they keep wondering why these girls don't go for the standard rates of 1 k anymore. ITS BECAUSE THEY THINK WITH THEIR WIENERS!
Now we are talking about Kiev obviously. Different market, different prices but same rules apply. You pay a girl 3000 UAH a few times and she will be asking for that amount from future Johns as well. And so the spiral begins, next one will be like "I need to fuck her" and offer 3. 500 and that's how you end up with these ridiculous "Escort" ads that ask for 4 k an hour. Mate most girls you can still easily get for 1. 5 k.
One might think that the Covid induced economic impact in the Ukraine would lead to REDUCED prices. Well not if you guys overpay like crazy. In 10 years it will be normal to pay these chicks 3 k for a handjob for fucks sake.Supply and demand, Boomer. These Mamba girls get a hundred messages a day. There is a Youtube video of a guy making a fake female Tinder account. He pays for Tinder-Pro. So, he can see how many likes he gets and in an hour and it was f'ing 6000+. Also, the first time I was in Ukraine was in 2015. I remember the shuttle bus was 5 UAH and people were complaining and I just paid 12 tonight. Inflation is buzzing fast.
This is such a basic thing, and it's sad that it needs to be pointed out. I've been doing this a long time, and by treating escorts with mutual respect, I get so much more from bookings. Any escorts that mistake my kindness for weakness, are dismissed very quickly, the others however have developed long standing mutually beneficial relationships.
Yes, they are closed, you can read about it further in this thread.
Just search on Keksik and any girls with a blatantly fake picture whose phone number is also connected to Telegram, will be an apartment / salon. You will find more than 10 just by doing a few minutes research.Can you please explain what you have said in detail? Thanks.
What a dolt. The mistake is yours. If you think pussy isn't subject to inflation just like everything else on the planet you're a fool. If you're too cheap to pay someone what they're asking, especially considering what you're asking them to do with their bodies, you'll never understand this. I'll happily pay more to price people like you out.
Higher prices means more attractive girls actually considering this line of work to make whatever ends they need to meet. That is a good thing, because it drives down the price for an average looking girl.
Go back to Pattaya and get a handful of girls from Issan and that's exactly what you'll have for 1500. I like mine from the northwest, they are considerably more expensive and worth every penny. You won't find them in a shithole like Pattaya.
You'll pay more to price others out? I think we all know who the real dolt is in this case.
FilthyBeaver
05-28-21, 11:32
Great, here we go. In case English isn't your first language "people like you" means ignorant morons who want to complain about prices other people pay because it's more than they paid recently or in the past. Back in the Vietnam era you could get a girl in Thailand for $5, why not whine about that? Ancient Romans paid even less and is even less relevant to the discussion.
What someone pays for a service that we're all here to discuss is nobodys business, the whiners need to be thankful people are sharing numbers for edification and education. If you don't like it shut up and move on, you're not going to change my behavior anymore than I'm going to change yours.
Fuckin dolt.
You'll pay more to price others out? I think we all know who the real dolt is in this case.
This is not pointed at you desin, but I'm going to share what works for me.
I've been quite entertained by people complaining about scams and prices. Take two steps back and consider what you're asking of another person, probably young enough to be your daughter or at a minimum, much younger cousin. To complain about scams and prices is laughable, they have been around as long as the profession and they occur everywhere. When the events of your trip are all said and done it's success all comes down to your attitude and chemistry with the other person and to a very minor extent, what you spent.
Very experienced monger here all over the world. Very very picky, on a recent (first) trip to Kyiv I went to three strip clubs saw three girls I'd actually be willing to pay for and took one so say 3% of the 100 girls I saw (one was not available at any price, one I didn't ask, the last one changed my life) I'd actually be willing to spend time with outside the club. I don't waste my time with mobile apps or agencies, they all lie and they all show pictures that are heavily photoshoped or 5 years & 50 pounds old. No, I buy my girls the way I buy my groceries, in person. And also like my groceries I expect to have to put in a little time and effort to make the ingredients taste the way I like. And just like my cooking skills, sometimes I fuck up some perfectly fine ingredients.
The guys saying the girls are ugly are full of shit. Slavs are total babes, look at all the eastern European supermodels. They're either not willing to spend the money or can't afford talent. I also like them younger than 25. I'm late 40's, short, and not Caucasian. I've been told I'm attractive (by people I haven't paid) but I don't think I am.
Being an English speaker with no Russian or Ukrainian skills, I decided that I would hire a tour guide. I used Show around and found two guides, one from each gender. An attractive female because, hey you never know, and an experienced guy who could get me to the sure thing. The guys are out there and not difficult to find so if you are there for two weeks or less that is the single best piece of advice I can give...Hi,
A small question please about takeout from a club. This option, if the girl agree, is to go in a restaurant, a walk. Or you also agree on sex before leaving the club?
Well, even though I liked your earlier posts FilthyBeaver, these guys have a point in what they are saying. It's something to be considered in general level. If somebody pays now and then a higher amount than usual, okay. Maybe it doesn't have consequences. But if the attitude is "Ohh fuck you guys, I have more money than you and I spent it the way I like", then it's something else. It reveals one's true personality.
The more people pay over the average price, willingly, the more the prices will increase. Taking Rome and Vietnam to this discussion as if they were valid arguments ain't nothing but a bad rhetoric and lack of real arguments to support one's standpoint.
Where I live, 200 euros was a standard and 250 for those who looked really good and knew it. These were the prices on the 'open market', where the ads were for everyone to see. For 100 euro it was possible to find a amateur student, through social media. Now, as this channel became more commonly known for people seeking services, the prices have gone up. It's 200 for the amateurs. This happened in two years (For a year I had most exquisite sex with a petite redhead, doing all kinds of fun of cnc and bondage, with 120 fee each time varying from an hour to three hours. She was found through aforementioned social media. Now that she went public, her price: 300 euros per hour. Because guys are throwing messages to her where the say this. She's had 200 euros for 15 minutes of webcam show. When it happens once, okay. But if it starts to happen regularly, she'd be a fool not to adjust her price up accordingly.
Oh. And as it is a habit in this forum, I'll too throw in my self-congratulations: she told me I was her favorite and that I can always have her for our regular fee, 120. I guess it was all those orgasms I licked her, even though she said only two people had been able to do it previously. But I don't expect to find such a rare treasure again for that price. Not in my country. (luckily, I have another gem for the same price too, but when she'll quit I'm fucked.).
For searching girls in Kiev, I've used this tactic: I mention 100 euros, but not the time. Once I'm there and get a feeling of each girl that I end up meeting, then I can suggest that if they come for a 30-60 min meeting when I ask (depending if I want one or two rounds), they'll get 50 euros each time. If someone I really like doesn't accept this offer, then I can offer more. But all I need for my vacation is one or two good girls who are willing to serve my needs when I ask. One for the day and one for the evening.
I ended up on this 100 euros because that was what was asked each time if I were the one presenting the question.
You guys ripping into FilthyBeaver are clueless about Kyiv. I work for an American tech company and we are literally paying over 1000 programmers at least $3000 per month. These are nerds from the age of 25-30 and with good English they can make $4000 a month without any problem. The prices have not increased because a few guys are paying too much. They have increased because 10 years ago Kyiv was poor, but now it is a booming tech city. Girls have the option to bang a guy their age that will spoil them or to bang an old foreigner for 2000 uah for one night. The choice is pretty simple for the majority of Ukrainian girls now. My last Tinder girl is two years out of university and making 30000 UAH a month with average skills in graphic design. There are a few other factors like English skills and Instagram, but just walk by all the nice restaurants here in Kyiv and they are full of young Ukrainians. Even a website like Showaround. Five years ago you could meet a beautiful girl for a walk for $5/ hour and now it is $20.
But if the attitude is "Ohh fuck you guys, I have more money than you and I spent it the way I like", then it's something else. It reveals one's true personality.
But that's the way life works. Back in caveman days, the biggest guy used his physical strength to get the girl he wanted and prevent other guys from getting her. Now men use financial strength to beat the competition. And not just with girls. There is competition everywhere, and money often decides who wins. Those willing and able to pay higher prices get first choice. Those unable or unwilling to pay higher prices get the leftovers. Facts of life.
Your anger at Filthy Beaver is same as that of PUAs at mongers in general. They hate that we use our superior financial strength to get the girls we want, and invent all kinds of reasons why it's wrong to pay girls. But they show no hesitation about using their superior physical strength, or looks, or youth, or charm or anything else in their toolkit to win the competition. In their eyes, only money is bad, because money is the thing they lack.
We could do without calling each other "dolt" however.
I find one of the thrills of p4p in using my wit to get the girls of my liking at lower price.
I find one of the thrills of p4p in using my wit to get the girls of my liking at lower price.This I approve. I use my tongue and animalistic fucking to do the same thing. After that, it's deep talks before the next round. For some reason, people (strangers) tend to tell me their emotional traumas when we meet for the first time. Or do you get this too? It's not only prostitutes, though. But anyhow, girls who don't get easily orgasm through licking are quite happy to cum. And when asked to lower the price of the meeting, it can go down to 50%. I count on this on my strategy to pay more for the initial meeting and then, if we both like each other, try to get it for half price. For girl it will be less income per visit, but she'll be asked again and again by familiar customer.
But that's the way life works.Let's remember what we are talking about here. We are talking about prostitutes. This is not a competition about getting the prettiest girl in the classroom. It's about business.
Now, as in any business, you get the product that is being sold easily if you pay over it's value. Pay more than the competitors are ready to pay for it. But, if you are a businessman, you don't want to do this. You don't want to pay too much. Because you know you will need to get that product another time, and again and again. If I'm a milk drinker and I see people willingly pay 50% over the regular price in the local market for milk, I get thoughts like "Whatta fuck, are they nuts? Don't they know it will increase the cost of the milk? Why are they doing it?" Now, with girls, it's a bit different. But the baseline is there. And that is what was called in question when FilthyBeaver said that "I'll happily pay more to price people like you out. " Why would a person do that? What kind of person would increase the cost of milk just to make it more expensive for his neighbor? We are on a forum dedicated to this habit, addiction or way of life. Whatever it is. If someone's modus operandi is called in question, I would hope that instead of this kind of "cavemanish" reactions of "Ohh I do what ever I want! You suck!" there would be actual, logical arguments to support that behavior. Maybe even so good that others would start to adopt them as their own.
Kozerog, it seems that everyone here is able to afford the financial cost of traveling to another country to enjoy their prostitutes. Maybe the difference between 2000 and 3000 UAH ain't the crucial point here. It's the cost of two pizzas with cokes.
And no, I wasn't angry. I'm calling this rhetoric into question. Let's not behave like cavemen, even if we have money.
when FilthyBeaver said that "I'll happily pay more to price people like you out. " Why would a person do that? What kind of person would increase the cost of milk just to make it more expensive for his neighbor?FilthyBeaver got carried away with his language, but there is absolutely nothing irrational or un-businesslike about paying above market price to lock out competition.
Big businesses routinely pay key employees more than market rate to avoid even higher cost of losing / replacing them. Suppose a key employee produces $200 K value and would cost $200 K to replace, but competitors will only pay $100 K, because most of the employee's skills are company-specific and useless to competitors. Then company might raise pay to $150 K to lock the employee down with "golden handcuffs". This makes sense because there is still a savings of $50 K versus replacement cost.
Same situation can exist with girls, though usually it's long-term arrangements, not one-time situations. Some guys want a special girl, not just any girl, but what is special about her might not be valued by other guys. That is, she is worth more to him than to other guys. In this situation, it's smart to raise the bid over market to lock her down. I overpay my girl for this reason.
Milk analogy is a bad one because all milk is the same and there is plenty more milk in the supply chain. Better analogy is real-estate. People routinely bid up the prices of one-of-a-kind real-estate, like coastal real-estate, because they really want a specific property and not just any property. Do you think girls are like milk, all the same, or like real-estate, each unique? If all the same, then yes, always pay the minimum. If each girl unique, and you want one girl in particular and there is competition for that girl, offering more money is one way to win the competition. (Offering other things that girls want, such as good sex or friendly and respectful attitude, is another way to win.).
There are also guys who overpay just so they can boast how much they paid, similar to guys who know nothing about art but nevertheless pay $500 million for a Picasso just to show off. I would not worry about these big spenders ruining the pussy market. On the contrary, every time a girl gets paid $10 K for one night with an oligarch, news quickly spreads, more poor girls decide to be semi-pros, and that increased supply quickly brings prices back down.
In general, cause of high prices is not excess demand from simps and mongers throwing more and more money at girls, but rather insufficient supply. If every woman everywhere was for sale, prices would be very affordable for average girls. Obviously, this scenario is unrealistic, but there are many girls who would like to semi-pro but don't because of risks. Guys to condemn are guys responsible for those risks, and resulting reduced supply: guys who mistreat girls, PUAs who try to avoid paying, white knights who shame girls for being semi-pros or advocate for harsh laws targeting the sex market, etc. Small group of guys who overpay probably reduce prices in the long-run, because of the increased supply they create.
...Small group of guys who overpay probably reduce prices in the long-run, because of the increased supply they create.I agree with some of what you are saying, and guys that pay 10000 UAH for the service that is advertised at 2000 UAH, could have the effect that you describe, however guys paying 3000 UAH for a 2000 UAH will only increase prices without affecting supply.
Ivan Buyan
05-31-21, 10:22
Hey fellas, so I observe a kind of the holy war on the last few posts here.
I just want to share my opinion (as a guy who stays in Kyiv for many years) on why sex sells at higher prices each year here and who is the one to blame.
First of all I really think that most of you started Visiting Kyiv since 2013-2018. Those were pre and post revolution years and as some of you perfectly know from history lessons. Revolutions drop down the local currency to the bottom, cause everyone is getting rid of the assets that belong to the country on war / revolution. Ukraine had both. War and revolution. During 2014 - 2015 prices were rediculously low. Check this out. Now $1 is around 27-28 UAH. Back than I remeber exchanging $1 for 38 UAH (though few months before the rate was $1 - 8 UAH). I rented a perfect apartment in the center of Obolon for 7 k UAH which back then was 200-230 USD.
So being a foreigner on a visit to Kyiv you felt like GOD with your $$$ in the pocket.
From 2015-2016 economy started to recover and reaching its pre 2013 level. And before 2012 Ukraine and Kyiv was never that cheap. I used to visit Prague in those years and I should say it was cheaper than Kyiv by all means: food, fun, living. If you look at the real estate prices then you will see that they are just now coming to the pre 2013 lever when 1 square meter in a residential level on the outskirts of Kyiv had a price for 1000 $ min.
Another reason. Tourism. Due to war and revolution, Ukraine and Kyiv got its own piece of hype in 2013-2014 and tourism boomed, I have friends from Israel who come visit Ukraine every weekend like its Las Vegas (not in corona time of course). These guys advertise Kyiv in Tel Aviv like its the heaven in eastern Europe and more of them come to sped money here and Israel is just a part of the game. Tons of foreigner are attracted by Kyiv low prices and women each year, and these are foreigners who skyrocked the prices for escorts.
So regardless we like it or not, Kyiv sex and fun will be getting more and more expensive.
And someone said it right. Do not forget that Kyiv is one of the top tech and digital nomads places in Europe. Tons in foreign companies pay crazy salaries to tech guys here. Currently the amount of tech vacancies is 15% higher than the amount of tech job seekers.
So my advice. Come here only if you don't aim to save but want to have exclusive and still best value for money type of fun. If you want just sex regardless the GFE experience then Thai and Latin America is the way to go (or Germany clubs).
... guys paying 3000 UAH for a 2000 UAH will only increase prices without affecting supply.Invert that sentence and the dubious logic is revealed: "guys insisting on paying 2000 uah will only decrease prices without affecting supply. " On the contrary, if too many guys hold the line at 2000, that could easily cause supply to shrink, so that new equilibrium price is 3000. Not guaranteed that this will happen, but not guaranteed that what you suggested will happen either. I'm not currently seeking, because I'm happy with my regular, but from reading this forum, it appears supply has decreased, though probably more due to covid than because of guys balking at higher prices. In particular, supply at Mamba has apparently dried up, lots of apartments have shut down, etc.
As we saw with oil, which went from $160/ barrel in 2008 to $60/ barrel now (and that's not counting devaluation of the dollar over those 13 years), increasing supply can be a very powerful factor, because world demand for oil certainly hasn't decreased since 2008. Compared with oil, increased pussy supply is much easier to bring online. Currently, at most 10% of girls are semi-pros or pros. All it would take is a slight change to maybe 15% to devastate pricing power.
Also, it's just laughable these numbers we're throwing around here (2000 uah, 3000 uah) when you compare with what Bill Gates paid for 27 mostly sexless (I'm guessing) years with Melinda Gates. That's an extreme case of the general rule, which is that married guys are the ones who really overpay and distort the total pussy market.
One reason less than 10% of girls are semi-pros is that most girls don't want to risk ruining their chances for the marriage jackpot. Take away hopes of that jackpot, and semi-pro supply (especially semi-pros for long-term mistress relationships, which is much easier on girls than one-shot deals) would vastly increase. In other words, instead of blaming guys FilthyBeaver for pushing prices up, blame guys that still fall for the marriage racket.
I am a regular visitor of Kyiv since 2006! I have seen my days in this beautiful city! But now sadly, everything has changed! The prices are sky rocking! The gills left to Europe and Dubai! They don't need visa as used to be! .also Ukraine removed the visa for all people from the rich gulf states! They ruined the sex industry! That, unfortunately the sad reality right now!
This is such a basic thing, and it's sad that it needs to be pointed out. I've been doing this a long time, and by treating escorts with mutual respect, I get so much more from bookings. Any escorts that mistake my kindness for weakness, are dismissed very quickly, the others however have developed long standing mutually beneficial relationships.
Yes, they are closed, you can read about it further in this thread.
Just search on Keksik and any girls with a blatantly fake picture whose phone number is also connected to Telegram, will be an apartment / salon. You will find more than 10 just by doing a few minutes research.What is Keksik, and how to search on it, can you please give more information, thanks.
Good discussion and great points!
I'm still inclined to believe that what happened here. That the price of amateur student girls went from 100 to 200 euros. Is because of this increase in the amount of money people were willing to pay. Or, it might be that they started to get more and more potential customers, which made it possible to start asking higher price and get that bid accepted.
But in the both scenarios, the reason for the new standard price is that people pay it. Mamba seems to have this thing going on that even though there are dozens and dozens of girls, there are tens or hundreds of guys for each of them.
Does anyone know if there is such a social media application in Kiev / Ukraine, where you can send a message anonymously and which can be read from people in the same city / area? This is a direct way to inform the local student base that here's a guy willing to pay for it, and if they answer, they don't get their name shown anywhere.
Tinder has the problem that if I put it on only after I'm in Kiev, it has it's delay in finding matches. But if I put it on couple of weeks before I'm in Kiev, I won't get matches because I'm either thousands of miles away, or my distance is hidden and this probably makes certain kind of girls to swipe left.
DramaFree11
06-01-21, 03:46
Good discussion and great points!
I'm still inclined to believe that what happened here. That the price of amateur student girls went from 100 to 200 euros. Is because of this increase in the amount of money people were willing to pay. Or, it might be that they started to get more and more potential customers, which made it possible to start asking higher price and get that bid accepted.
But in the both scenarios, the reason for the new standard price is that people pay it. Mamba seems to have this thing going on that even though there are dozens and dozens of girls, there are tens or hundreds of guys for each of them.
Does anyone know if there is such a social media application in Kiev / Ukraine, where you can send a message anonymously and which can be read from people in the same city / area? This is a direct way to inform the local student base that here's a guy willing to pay for it, and if they answer, they don't get their name shown anywhere.
Tinder has the problem that if I put it on only after I'm in Kiev, it has it's delay in finding matches. But if I put it on couple of weeks before I'm in Kiev, I won't get matches because I'm either thousands of miles away, or my distance is hidden and this probably makes certain kind of girls to swipe left.Great report, but it's been like this for many years. When I was hanging out there five years ago, we were consistently being quoted prices for over to $200, sometimes more. This was for very average girls, honestly most I would not do for free. I watched my friend consistently being ripped off and taken advantage of. These guys that claiming that they are banging hot girls for $75 is just not true.
DramaFree11
06-01-21, 03:59
Hey fellas, so I observe a kind of the holy war on the last few posts here.
I just want to share my opinion (as a guy who stays in Kyiv for many years) on why sex sells at higher prices each year here and who is the one to blame.
First of all I really think that most of you started Visiting Kyiv since 2013-2018. Those were pre and post revolution years and as some of you perfectly know from history lessons. Revolutions drop down the local currency to the bottom, cause everyone is getting rid of the assets that belong to the country on war / revolution. Ukraine had both. War and revolution. During 2014 - 2015 prices were rediculously low. Check this out. Now $1 is around 27-28 UAH. Back than I remeber exchanging $1 for 38 UAH (though few months before the rate was $1 - 8 UAH). I rented a perfect apartment in the center of Obolon for 7 k UAH which back then was 200-230 USD..One of the best posts in a long time. Another factor pre-covid guys were working abroad. They would come back for weekends and blow made cash.
I am a regular visitor of Kyiv since 2006! I have seen my days in this beautiful city! But now sadly, everything has changed! The prices are sky rocking! The gills left to Europe and Dubai! They don't need visa as used to be! .also Ukraine removed the visa for all people from the rich gulf states! They ruined the sex industry! That, unfortunately the sad reality right now!Dubai is a rich destination for these girls, but with a high risk. Don't forget Dubai that it's a Muslim country with Muslims rules, just look at the history of the photo model / prostitutes in April.
For a nude pic in jail and expulsed from the country.
DramaFree11
06-01-21, 17:46
Dubai is a rich destination for these girls, but with a high risk. Don't forget Dubai that it's a Muslim country with Muslims rules, just look at the history of the photo model / prostitutes in April.
For a nude pic in jail and expulsed from the country.Ukraine girls love Muslim Dudes. Ukraine is full of guys from Middle Eastern countries, another fact that most forget to post in there reports.
Hey,
I'm new to Kiev. Its taking me longer than expected to find a girlfriend so need a couple spots to hold me over. What is the best quality (regardless of price) strip club, massage spot, salon, any other physical location? In Colombia there were strip clubs and massage parlors with beds in the back and the most beautiful women in the city. Anything like that here? Thank you.
Ukraine girls love Muslim Dudes. Ukraine is full of guys from Middle Eastern countries, another fact that most forget to post in there reports.This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.
Great report, but it's been like this for many years. When I was hanging out there five years ago, we were consistently being quoted prices for over to $200, sometimes more. This was for very average girls, honestly most I would not do for free. I watched my friend consistently being ripped off and taken advantage of. These guys that claiming that they are banging hot girls for $75 is just not true.If all you care about is CFS and CBJ, there are definitely hot pros in the $75 range. If you want more, you can expect to pay more.
I like the land analogy. I pay more to get what I want. And the fact is I can get excellent value for my money compared to almost anywhere in Europe. I also happen to like Slavic girls. If you find a good one, they are among the best on the planet.
Ivan Buyan
06-02-21, 08:53
This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.As a guy who made friends with escort girls, strippers and just regular women in Ukraine, I want to share my opinion. As far as I understood only certain layer of prostitutes really enjoy Muslim guys. And this layer is cheap prostitutes + very few expensive escorts as well as regular women who have fetish for hairy men with beards and brutal looks.
Why cheap prostitutes like Muslim? Well, with all the respect to some of my Muslim friends. Usually they don't care who to fuck Cheap prostitutes with very "ok" appearance compared to an average Ukrainian girls love Muslims cause for them they are have exotic guys who look out of their league + fuck them and pay them money for this and make a ton of compliments.
Expensive escorts girls are sometimes ok with "rich" Muslims like guys from Dubai and so to say "europeanized" Muslims from EU / Israel / Turkey sometimes. Other types of Muslims (even being rich) from conservative Eastern countries including most of Turkey, Kavkaz region is a big No-NO for expensive hookers because they are very often rude, not generous and act crazy (especially drunk) and may cause lots of troubles.
I once asked escort girl who are her favourite clients and she told Russian and Americans cause they leave best tips, fun and are good at sex.
DramaFree11
06-02-21, 20:01
As a guy who made friends with escort girls, strippers and just regular women in Ukraine, I want to share my opinion. As far as I understood only certain layer of prostitutes really enjoy Muslim guys. And this layer is cheap prostitutes + very few expensive escorts as well as regular women who have fetish for hairy men with beards and brutal looks.
Why cheap prostitutes like Muslim? Well, with all the respect to some of my Muslim friends. Usually they don't care who to fuck Cheap prostitutes with very "ok" appearance compared to an average Ukrainian girls love Muslims cause for them they are have exotic guys who look out of their league + fuck them and pay them money for this and make a ton of compliments.
Expensive escorts girls are sometimes ok with "rich" Muslims like guys from Dubai and so to say "europeanized" Muslims from EU / Israel / Turkey sometimes. Other types of Muslims (even being rich) from conservative Eastern countries including most of Turkey, Kavkaz region is a big No-NO for expensive hookers because they are very often rude, not generous and act crazy (especially drunk) and may cause lots of troubles.
I once asked escort girl who are her favourite clients and she told Russian and Americans cause they leave best tips, fun and are good at sex.Love the report. Ukraine girls do not care. They will do what they have to get the Hell out of Ukraine. Correct the beautiful once can write there own ticket. Any weekend in Kiev and other cities in Ukraine will be filled with M. Dudes. If you doubt me do do some research. My last few visits the clubs would be 75% T. Dudes, sorry these are the facts. Those that claim Caribbean Club is good, has 90% M. Guys. (No Offense). That place Sucks, one of the worst clubs I have ever visited. Just another fact that the old timers conveniently leave out of there reports. Great report and so true.
I know, this must have been discussed in parts of replies but I still hope to get non RTFF answer.
While searching for AirBnB apartments in Odessa (curiosity) I found that the value for money for apartments is way more than apartments in Kiev. Obviously Kiev is expensive but that made me wonder. If Odessa is so welcoming to tourists and so many options to choose in AirBnB, can I expect the value for money is better with girls in Odessa? I know this might not be an easy apple to apple comparison. I'm a stripclub and massage parlor guy. Can I date to venture out in Odessa after a few successful Kiev visits? Anyone cares to humor my thought?
This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.In fact Ukrainian girls love money! They don't care about your religion.
! They care about your pocket! I travel to Ukraine since 2006! All Ukrainian girls in this business, either pros. Or semi pros. All what they care about is your pocket! That is it!
DramaFree11
06-03-21, 03:35
In fact Ukrainian girls love money! They don't care about your religion.
! They care about your pocket! I travel to Ukraine since 2006! All Ukrainian girls in this business, either pros. Or semi pros. All what they care about is your pocket! That is it!Yep, there are many nights at the clubs, when I or my friends lost our girls to M. Dudes. They were throwing around mad cash. Guys would say they had a table. The girls would ask us to buy a table we would say no, the rest was history. The girls would milk them for there money, very rarely would they go home with guys. Back then a lot of girls were getting a commission from the clubs for what they got guys to spend.
Ivan Buyan
06-03-21, 09:44
I know, this must have been discussed in parts of replies but I still hope to get non RTFF answer.
While searching for AirBnB apartments in Odessa (curiosity) I found that the value for money for apartments is way more than apartments in Kiev. Obviously Kiev is expensive but that made me wonder. If Odessa is so welcoming to tourists and so many options to choose in AirBnB, can I expect the value for money is better with girls in Odessa? I know this might not be an easy apple to apple comparison. I'm a stripclub and massage parlor guy. Can I date to venture out in Odessa after a few successful Kiev visits? Anyone cares to humor my thought?Hey buddy,
I may only say that most of the year Odessa is a bit cheaper than Kyiv but not in Summer time and not this Summer when EU is still closed and all tourists from Ukraine go to Odessa. I would say that the amount of rich love seekers in Odessa per girl is a lot higher than that in Kyib when we talk about Summer time. Same for prices on apartments. They grow crazy in Summer time. If you are a big sea and beaches fan and want to see more beautiful girls per square meter, then go to Odessa (cause all escort girl will go there, so there will be a ton to choose from) BUT the prices will be crazy.
Also Odessa will be full of guys from Turkey. This happens each summer, they visit Odessa like its Las Vegas. This Summer they plan to let Turkey citizens visit Ukraine without any Covid tests, so Odessa will be a district of Istanbul.
I would stay in Kyiv for few reasons. Less people, still fun, still a ton of beauties, more strip clubs and cheaper apartments, so I would say more value for 1 dollar. On the other hand, Odessa definitely has some specific vibes, some people feel them, some don't.
Hope this helps.
Hey buddy,
I may only say that most of the year Odessa is a bit cheaper than Kyiv but not in Summer time and not this Summer when EU is still closed and all tourists from Ukraine go to Odessa. I would say that the amount of rich love seekers in Odessa per girl is a lot higher than that in Kyib when we talk about Summer time. Same for prices on apartments. They grow crazy in Summer time. If you are a big sea and beaches fan and want to see more beautiful girls per square meter, then go to Odessa (cause all escort girl will go there, so there will be a ton to choose from) BUT the prices will be crazy.
Also Odessa will be full of guys from Turkey. This happens each summer, they visit Odessa like its Las Vegas. This Summer they plan to let Turkey citizens visit Ukraine without any Covid tests, so Odessa will be a district of Istanbul.
I would stay in Kyiv for few reasons. Less people, still fun, still a ton of beauties, more strip clubs and cheaper apartments, so I would say more value for 1 dollar. On the other hand, Odessa definitely has some specific vibes, some people feel them, some don't.
Hope this helps.Hi,
I'm in Kyiv now and it is full of people from the gulf states (Saudi-Qatar-United arabEmirat-Kewit. Ect! And the price for escort went crazy with terrible quality!
I am new to this site and I am planning my first trip to the Ukraine. Is it a problem being from the USA? I most certainly did not vote for Trump, but is it a problem. Also it seems that the women in the Ukraine only like to do "short time". In places like Thailand all night is usually about twice the "short time" rate, but it seems that, from what I have read, all night is like 5 times the short time in the Ukraine. I guess there is an area where the night clubs are. Are the girls there more likely to do a overnight then the escorts? I hear that most of the escorts are full of crap (photoshoped photos, and fronts for salons) but are a reasonable number of them on kexkiev. Xyz ok?
Thanks.
Good discussion and great points!
Tinder has the problem that if I put it on only after I'm in Kiev, it has it's delay in finding matches. But if I put it on couple of weeks before I'm in Kiev, I won't get matches because I'm either thousands of miles away, or my distance is hidden and this probably makes certain kind of girls to swipe left.I would not be swiping on Tinder when you are not in Ukraine unless you can spoof your location or you go the two phone route. The problem is that girls will see your location is hidden or you are 1000 km and swipe left. This will lower your ranking quickly and will make it super hard to find matches. Once you get to Kyiv, your account will be virtually dead with your low ranking. I would suggest having two Tinder accounts. One for when you are at your home location and one you open up when you arrive with an Ukrainian SIM on a different phone.
Tinder really sucks all the data it can. It knows when you use one phone to open multiple accounts by IP, MEID, Google / Apple account, etc. Be sure to put your location as Kyiv too when remote swiping and when people ask why you are 1000 km away, just say you live in Kyiv but are on business trip. I am 45 and got 40 matches in a couple days in the age range of 22-29 as an average looking dude. I lower my age a little bit and brighten the bags under my eyes a bit in photoshop. Nobody has every said anything when we met in person and I recommend getting those little gel things for under your eyes. They really do help so much.
Tinder is a long game at least for me. Probably only at 10% for ONS, but almost at 50% after three dates. I would suggest putting your profile in Russian and English too. I've met up with a few girls that speak no English. It is weird, but fun when you have zero communication skills in bed. Good luck!
I know, this must have been discussed in parts of replies but I still hope to get non RTFF answer.
While searching for AirBnB apartments in Odessa (curiosity) I found that the value for money for apartments is way more than apartments in Kiev. Obviously Kiev is expensive but that made me wonder. If Odessa is so welcoming to tourists and so many options to choose in AirBnB, can I expect the value for money is better with girls in Odessa? I know this might not be an easy apple to apple comparison. I'm a stripclub and massage parlor guy. Can I date to venture out in Odessa after a few successful Kiev visits? Anyone cares to humor my thought?I am not an apartment guy, but Odessa has much better apartment girls. Picking up girls in a cafe or on Tinder will be much harder than Kyiv as most do not speak English in Odessa. I was there for six months with my young Ukrainian girlfriend and rarely ran into other girls that spoke English. She had a group of about 20 friends and only one spoke at an A1 English level. If you are a westerner and can speak Russian, you will be swimming in booty.
As for the whole Muslim thing, I think it has more to do with how they treat the girls than religion. Brits have a bad reputation too with the local ladies because lets face it they are always drunk and yelling in their football shirts.
Kiev Trip - 8th to 13th June. - Pre departure report.
Pre departure info and background.
It is my 6th trip to Ukraine since 2015. I know a few sentences in Russian but almost none existent to be honest. However I can read the cryllic signs so this helps at metro and other stations. Mid 30's British.
I booked my apartment at AirBNB again, apart from my first ever trip where I stayed at Hotel Dnipro. I always find apartments cheaper, better value, normally better location and can avoid the awkwardness of the front desk walk by.
I found a great apartment just down the road from Club Rio (my 2nd Favourite Strip club).
I booked my London to Ukraine flights with FlyUIA hand luggage only, when booking I did see the option to Covid buy insurance for about £2 so jumped on that. But after booking I did not see a certificate which says you must present.
Worried I would have problems at the airport I looked to buy further Ukraine based insurance I found on this website at about 230 GRN however when I went to click through and buy it dropped to 45 grn. So I paid for this and received a certificate which I printed out.
Insurance. Search - FLYUIA (eurotravelins.com.ua).
Took my PCR test within 72 hours. Email and print.
Kiev and Ukraine are not like my other favourite destinations such as Thailand, Colombia or Kenya. It is very much more clinical, not Girl friendly but it can still be a great trip if you plan ahead. You need to use the website to find escorts, the Internet to find erotic massage places and strip clubs all saved on your google maps, and possibly Tinder if you have time and money on your hands.
Kyiv Escorts with verified photos – RelaxKiev.
Only search for independent and verified ads.
Other ads will either be a street walker using fake profiles, they will be pushy to ask for apartment location, and when they arrive and turn out to be a cat fish you have an issue on your hands.
Other ads are often brothels, pimps or agencies. You can tell that all the girls are online at the same time, location and have the same phone number ending in the last 4 digits.
Agencies are not necessarily bad but they can do a switch up on you and as they are not cheap I tend to go for verified and independent, not as cheap and only a few of them but peace of mind on who turns up.
I went ahead 2 weeks before my trip, saving the contacts into my phone, contacting through whatsapp or telegram. You can tell once you start communications if they are genuine, and independent or not from the language and chat etc.
Another site, similar name but different.
Kyiv Escort Girls with Verified Photos – RelaxPortal.
I have also paid for tinder plus and have a few matches, but these are limited as the women can tell I am not in Kiev however I have a couple of 6 or 7's ready to meet if I have time. However I have done this in past trips and a short 5 day trip is unlikely to be successful using this means.
I will re-install it once I land and make a bio more clear that I am looking for semi pro university chicks and I am a sponsor.
Additionally I have went online and found a few massage parlous that offer a massage with happy ending (no sex) these girls are often attractive university age.
Contact 2 - Salon Dream. Ukraine Kiev massage.
Other can be found here.
Erotic Massage.
Adult Entertainment.
Kyiv (inyourpocket.com).
I have 5 different massage places saved in my maps to find different varieties.
Use google maps to save address and contact on whatsapp or telegram to confirm opening hours etc before you set off.
I have also saved from previous trips addresses of my fav strip clubs.
Club Rio.
Dolls.
Penthouse (a bit rough but I find the entrance unique and they often offer full service in the back) most places do not, at least to me anyway. Women are not of same quality as places above.
There are a couple in the Arena complex and I also want to try as well as Scarlette and Princess Mens if they allow me in and if I locate them.
From late May 2021 to early June 2021 online since I have been collecting numbers I have noticed the escorts have been increasing their prices. This will be interesting when I arrive. I wonder if it is due to more customers locally and high paying tourists as noted from the Middle east or the fact that their currency is performing poorly.
Will report when I am away or on my return if everything goes smoothly. Any recommendations or would like me to check on any establishments when I am in town do let me know.
NongKhai.
Kiev Trip - 8th to 13th June. - Pre departure report.
NongKhai.Excellent! I will follow your journey with great interests and most likely take the same steps when I'm in Kiev. If you find good massage places with pretty & nice university girls (not silicone-botox bitches), please let us know!
One question: what kind of text can you put on Tinder to be able to hint that you are looking for these university girls as a sponsor? I'm having trouble how to formulate the bio's in various services in a way that won't get deleted and / or banned.
Kiev Trip - 8th to 13th June. - Pre departure report.
I have also saved from previous trips addresses of my fav strip clubs.
Club Rio.
Dolls.
Penthouse (a bit rough but I find the entrance unique and they often offer full service in the back) most places do not, at least to me anyway. Women are not of same quality as places above.
There are a couple in the Arena complex and I also want to try as well as Scarlette and Princess Mens if they allow me in and if I locate them.
NongKhai.Hi,
What do you mean by not the same quality for penthouse? Which club has the best student on the scene, and not old pro?
Kiev Trip - 8th to 13th June. - Pre departure report.
Pre departure info and background.
NongKhai.Nice detailed pre-report. Looking forward to your trip and info. Enjoy your trip.
Excellent! I will follow your journey with great interests and most likely take the same steps when I'm in Kiev. If you find good massage places with pretty & nice university girls (not silicone-botox bitches), please let us know!
One question: what kind of text can you put on Tinder to be able to hint that you are looking for these university girls as a sponsor? I'm having trouble how to formulate the bio's in various services in a way that won't get deleted and / or banned.Have you been banned before for what is in your bio? I know if you ask too many girls if they are willing to come over for money by private message, they can report you and then you will get banned. This happened to me on Showaround. I really do not recommend you wasting your time trying on this guide-only website.
As for what to say, I have said something like "Call me Santa Clause because I have presents" and I wrote Future Sponsor in Russian another time. To be honest, I never got messages from a girl that was my type (18-24 yo, very skinny, not the fake lips stripper type). Lots of girls not my type. Also, I would say only about 15% of girls can speak some conversational English. Tinder is a long game to say the least, but something I enjoy. Two to four years ago, I had so many mini agencies write me on my normal Tinder profile, but even after three weeks on my current trip I have nothing from any professionals. I have even seen a lot of Mamba girls that declined meeting me for money on Tinder. So, maybe they are just looking for love. Times are changing in the wealthier Ukraine. I don't like it.
DramaFree11
06-08-21, 18:37
Have you been banned before for what is in your bio? I know if you ask too many girls if they are willing to come over for money by private message, they can report you and then you will get banned. This happened to me on Showaround. I really do not recommend you wasting your time trying on this guide-only website.
As for what to say, I have said something like "Call me Santa Clause because I have presents" and I wrote Future Sponsor in Russian another time. To be honest, I never got messages from a girl that was my type (18-24 yo, very skinny, not the fake lips stripper type). Lots of girls not my type. Also, I would say only about 15% of girls can speak some conversational English. Tinder is a long game to say the least, but something I enjoy. Two to four years ago, I had so many mini agencies write me on my normal Tinder profile, but even after three weeks on my current trip I have nothing from any professionals. I have even seen a lot of Mamba girls that declined meeting me for money on Tinder. So, maybe they are just looking for love. Times are changing in the wealthier Ukraine. I don't like it.Thank you for the great report. Kiev has been bad for many years, the only difference now is guys like you and others are reporting the truth.
I'm a regular visitor to Kyiv since 2006! Now, I'm in Kyiv, and I have never seen such scene before! So many tourists from the rich gulf states! The price of everything went up incredibly! Oh! My God! Kyiv is not any more a city that I have known for so many years! Radical changes! It is time to seek another destination!
I'm a regular visitor to Kyiv since 2006! Now, I'm in Kyiv, and I have never seen such scene before! So many tourists from the rich gulf states! The price of everything went up incredibly! Oh! My God! Kyiv is not any more a city that I have known for so many years! Radical changes! It is time to seek another destination!What is the range of the sky rocket price?
I would compare with the price here.
In my current place you will find most of the time black or Muslim girls for more than 200€ with basic services and stupid conversation.
I really enjoy natural slavic girls, not the plastic / Botox one, so if I must spend money for this pretty girls I would not complain too much.
Same thing for the strip clubs here. If you want to play in private with a girl, you will spend at least 500€ per hour, and there is absolutely no sex as prostitution is illegal and the girls of the club are heavily controlled on this subject.
I will go to Kiev in the middle of the summer.
DramaFree11
06-10-21, 03:04
I'm a regular visitor to Kyiv since 2006! Now, I'm in Kyiv, and I have never seen such scene before! So many tourists from the rich gulf states! The price of everything went up incredibly! Oh! My God! Kyiv is not any more a city that I have known for so many years! Radical changes! It is time to seek another destination!Funny I wrote about this 2 years ago. I was called a liar and a racist. A lot of hard work, too many scams and it will take a decent budget. Even then you will be lucky to pull a 6.5.
What is the range of the sky rocket price?
I would compare with the price here.
In my current place you will find most of the time black or Muslim girls for more than 200 with basic services and stupid conversation.
I really enjoy natural slavic girls, not the plastic / Botox one, so if I must spend money for this pretty girls I would not complain too much.
Same thing for the strip clubs here. If you want to play in private with a girl, you will spend at least 500 per hour, and there is absolutely no sex as prostitution is illegal and the girls of the club are heavily controlled on this subject.
I will go to Kiev in the middle of the summer.For those who think that Kiev is expensive, I recommend the city of Kharkiv. I found the cheapest strip clubs in Ukraine in Kharkiv. Sex is possible in the back room at the Moulin Rouge Cabaret. There is no back room in Platinum Men's Club, but you can take the girl to your hotel. Price for 1 hour for students on Mamba. Ru or tinder is 1500-200 uah + taxi fee.
So I arrived on UIA with all my paper work, quite a big Que at airport but went through quick at the time I had PCR test results printed and the insurance. (I hear now you only need Antigen). Use the website https://visitukraine.today/.
I noticed one lovely 9 out of 10 with young handsome guy, luminous dress with black leather jacket draped over. A taste of things to come I had hoped.
Came through customs and you are in domestic, straight in front of you is a Sim card desk. You will need cash only. 280 GRN got me 12 gb of data and 1 month of calls / tests. I went for Kiev star.
Further to left if ATM and money exchange. Money exchanges are worst rates in airport avoid if you can or change minimum. If you use ATM go to the blue and yellow ATM it says BankoMat in russian, can make it out with no knowledge of alphabet. It charges 99 GRN for charge. If you use Revolut card or similar always decline conversion rate, it works out better.
ProTip – Revolut has been kind to me in my travels but I would have been better bringing GBP sterling, rates are tight spread 37.6 sell to 38.6 in town and everywhere. All depends on if your comfortable handing lots of money / does room Air bnb or hotel have safe. I would have saved 400 GRN converting Cash on every 400 GBP I took out from ATM.
Leaving Airport.
Use Uber or Bolt.
Uber to Kiev central is 400 GRN.
I was struggling to get a match you need to walk left away from airport as you come out, silly me I thought I would humor the taxi touts to see what price they offered. 750 to 1200. No thanks.
Uber finally connected. We were off.
Using Tinder in car – initially I did not use mask but as he has a small cough I put it back on.
I had lined up allot of independent chicks from relaxkiev website, one called Lika, she looked great any way when I video called her lets just say the lock down had been tough, she was bloated and bad complexion. I will upload a pic if it allows me. I bailed on her.
After 15 months of no holiday and not cleaned the pipes in 2 weeks I was ready to blow. I got a number on tinder whilst in Taxi. The number turned out to be an agency, usual scam pics of Instagram models. I say I will take one to outside apartment.
She arrives in car blacked out windows as she opens nothing like the picture I was raging, her face was 6. 5 but seemed a bit frumpy, wearing baggy top. I should have walked on but was eager to bang. Took her up, 4000 RGN – it was awful, she had recently had a baby, couldn't touch the sides, gave up after a few positions and cut her loose.
Pretty angry at that I though I would go to Dolls – strip club.
Dolls club.
Now.
Private dancers 500.
Entrance 500 or 600 I forgot.
Went inside, they say entrance is 500 and walked me to back at the last stage near bar and toilets. I was sat on left side as you walk in, same as toilets.
PROTIP – if they sit you here and not on couches on out skirts, sit on right side, other side to toilets. Reason is the girls when they leave stage walk this way and you can talk / ask for private dancers.
First 5 or 6 girls were bad quality, 5 or 6 not even a 7. Then next few were 7 and 7. 5. Then an 8 came I asked waitress to get me a private dance. It was great she was grinding on my feeling groin outside of pants, and sliding nipples in my mouth (my mask wearing in taxi has gone out the window).
Then back at stage seat I see a 9. Maybe 9. 5, lovely body 5. 9 feet see cup lovely face before I get a chance to get her attention or call waitress, bunch of Korean lads get waitress to get her attention, she is busy for next hour. I will be back.
I now leave Dolls horny as ever, walk up past penthouse, it was also open on a Tuesday, I avoid and make my way to Salon Dream.
http://salondream.kiev.ua/our-salon/
It is in Voloymyrska street, as I am walking my phone battery dies luckily they have a website with youtube video so I recognize the entrance and path.
But alas. I knock on door, and lady answers all 4 girls busy for 45 minutes.
I say OK and head to premier palace, around the corner is relax massage my regular for last 5 years, I do not need google maps for this. As I get into it I notice it is still there but the light is not on. I don't ring the bell and head back to room. Dejected, low on confidence and balls the size of watermelons.
So far a F – for Fail.
I get back to room which is 5 doors down from RIO Club / Now Tootsies I think. More on that later.
I charge my phone and telegram Fiesta massage.
I am told there will be 5 women in 45 minutes wait then walk there 20 minutes. As I make my way to 6th floor 2 large, one very large Gulf state guys come out. I go in and sit in, the layout and rest area is good. Then I am told only 2 ladies are ready, 1 is awful mid 20's blond fat, holding her belly, the other is worse 40 year old size 12 or 14 UK size, old chick you see drinking pints in a pub.
I vote with my feet and leave. She tells me that I should make booking next time. She sends me pictures of girls but all faces covered. I will try again but so far I am not impressed.
https://fiesta-massage.com.ua/en
End of Day 1.
Day 2.
Morning I wake up have breakfast from groceries I brought in market down the road, learn the signs, its called Produckti in Russian.
So eager to bang I make contact with the brothel on what's-app I made before I left.
Whats-app.
Number.
Add the plus sign.
I have 4 pics the pics are all good but on arrival the 7's quickly turn out to be 5's. I take once called Asya I pay 2500.
Awful massage neither of us wanted and sex was ok, she was tighter than expected I was hoping to doi missionary then doggy but within 120 secs I had unloaded. Did not have time to slow down.
She said, you come, no emotion. .
I leave and get food, go to pharmacies, you can buy Viagra for pack of 4 x 100 MG less than 10 pounds. 4 x 50 for less than 5 pounds, they sell other stuff without prescription if that's your bag.
I get a random whatsapp.
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They send pics these are more normal none Instagram.
I pick one like a 7 young chick.
I eat across road at Maffia – 12 pounds for 2 loads of sushi and cocktail.
She arrives at 9 pm.
Grey chevelet aveo.
I walk over blacked out windows, here we go again, girl pops out, although plain face, body looks better but clothes are baggy, I aint paying 3000 for this.
I say in Russian – different girl.
She asks for photo, I show her the brunette from yesterday, she then speaks English fine, ok you can go. I walk off, instead of walking into apartment entrance I would 3 blocks down into Club Rio.
Twice bitten forever shy.
PROTIP.
If they do not video call or show real pics do not bother. The pics are all Instagram birds probably in UAE. Earning 200 dollars for sponsorship.
Escorts are hard to find.
Even websites like \https://escort.vc/.
Are hard to meet.
They want 250 dollar and up.
Kiev for short game is Strip clubs and massage parlous, if you have BIG BIG money escorts and have sex with strippers yes. Long game, yes you can meet in street, metro or on tinder. I had two chats on first day but on 5 day trip its not going to happen with a normal chick lets be honest. Why waste my time.
Club Rio / Tootsies.
So I went into front entrance of Club rio / big walk around and must have ended up in tootsies, not been to Club Rio for 3 years. First time Private dancers were 300.
Now.
Private dancers 600.
Entrance 400.
All managers and staff want to shake my hand, the most hand shaking I have done in 15 months.
Sit down at good place, told rules by managers.
Was told I can ask girls to come back some agree and to discuss price with them.
Ladies drink same as mine per menu.
I drink only non alcohol beer tonight.
First group of 2 dancers on each stage all 5 or 6, then a few 7's appear. I see a nice girl sitting near me brown light hair slim, I ask for private dance.
In private room, she is new only 1 month, talks allot of English.
Happy for me to rub breasts and vagina on outside, but her routine is timid not a turn on.
Finish.
Back to seat, then I see the 8. 5 club fitty, and gosh does she know it.
Private dance after she finishes the rest of stages 15 minutes.
2 dancers I tip 100 as I only have 500 and 200.
She rubs outside of pants pulls my hands all over her body, very sexual, left we raging boner.
I change up money to 100's and have 20 birds come to my seat over next hour.
I feel arse, rub outside of vagina and feel the skin of breast.
One more private dance with blonder 8 out of 10, very sexual again toughing everywhere.
I pay bill which is all correct and then start the walk out with security which is like a maze, end up in back entrance. All safe, they look after you there and offered to get a taxi.
I decline, I jump on the e scooter.
Download.
Bolt and Bird (scroll) apps.
I ride down to relax, near Premier palace.
Told 2 girls I take off shows.
Only one called Kristina.
Firm body – fine.
Back massage as I think of sexy Club Rio girls.
Turns me around and oils me up.
1 hand on her pussy 1 on her breast.
Close to climax I move my right hand to firmly grasp her arse to show I am close.
She responds with sexual panting.
I explode.
Shower leave.
Home.
End of Day 2.
Certainly better than Day 1.
Day 3 I need to go to Borspil airport to get a PCR test.
I will update that with a video and pics.
Nong Khai.
I am new to this site and I am planning my first trip to the Ukraine. Is it a problem being from the USA? I most certainly did not vote for Trump, but is it a problem. Also it seems that the women in the Ukraine only like to do "short time". In places like Thailand all night is usually about twice the "short time" rate, but it seems that, from what I have read, all night is like 5 times the short time in the Ukraine. I guess there is an area where the night clubs are. Are the girls there more likely to do a overnight then the escorts? I hear that most of the escorts are full of crap (photoshoped photos, and fronts for salons) but are a reasonable number of them on kexkiev. Xyz ok?
Thanks.You're about 20 years late to the party.
Nong Khai.Keep it up.
Salon Dream still on the list?
For those who think that Kiev is expensive, I recommend the city of Kharkiv. I found the cheapest strip clubs in Ukraine in Kharkiv. Sex is possible in the back room at the Moulin Rouge Cabaret. There is no back room in Platinum Men's Club, but you can take the girl to your hotel. Price for 1 hour for students on Mamba. Ru or tinder is 1500-200 uah + taxi fee.I am taking note, thanks for the info. Are there bars in Kiev and / or Kharkiv where the working girls tend to hang out. Please advise.
So I arrived on UIA with all my paper work, quite a big Que at airport but went through quick at the time I had PCR test results printed and the insurance. (I hear now you only need Antigen). Use the website https://visitukraine.today/.
Nong Khai.Thanks for the long write up. I am staying near dreams and it sounds like it is good that I did not enter. What a crazy hustle you went through, but hope you had fun at least. I am in Kyiv for another week and will return the favor with a long write up.
Also, we should have a discord channel for exchanging girl's numbers. I was a paying member before, but now my EU bank is blocked and I am too dumb to use Bitcoin.
Day 3 Trip report.
To The Airport.
So I leave my place and make my way to Red line.
Teatralna station to Vkzalna by Metro.
As you leave metro The have a huge Green M on top easy to see.
Head straight, follow crown with bags into main Train station.
Now you need to buy a ticket for Kiev to Boryspil airport its track 14. The counter is number 52, of course it is right, right behind as you walk in so you will not see if. Right in front of you are huge stair cases and escalators. To the right you can see an info, you can ask here, but just turn right as you walk in. Simple. Buy ticket 80 Grrn.
Walk up to platform.
Train every hour but check time tables online, there is a good website here\.
https://airmundo.com/en/airports/kiev-boryspil-airport/transportation/
It takes 40 minutes, very simple, half the people wear masks, you should.
By the time I left and did my test it took 40 minutes so I made the 1 hour train back.
As the train arrives it picks up passengers heads back. 1 train back and forth.
All signs in English, take passport, cash, pen and boarding pass.
Weird bit to get back in they were checking boarding passes, my flight was in 3 days so I showed my arrival ticket, they let me in. But many people local and tourists come to do this.
The testing is on 1st floor, so take steps up.
I have done a video I will try and link.
Go to reception get form. Test takes 12 hours, use your email and local number.
My results came back (negative) with a link in a message – now at internet cafe printing out.
10 minutes from filling in form, go to cashier. I paid 705, form said 645, pay cash or Bank card up stairs. Just take local money.
All simple.
Leave head back on train the way you came.
I decided to go to Princess Men's club.
https://princessclub.kiev.ua/
This is now my new favorite. The quality of birds were all 7 to 8 with a couple of 6. 5;s I had 6 of 7 private dances.
Entrance 600.
Lap dance 2 songs 600.
Downside to Rio and Dolls, the private rooms are a bit darker, eat your carrots.
I had 3 that were 8.5 to 9.2 out of 10.
All the girls were allowing me to touch and suck tits, the last one I basically sucking her tits for one whole song as she grind-ed on me. Lovely.
All but 1 let me touch outside vagina. 1 blonde was outstanding 9 out of 10 and my last was 9.2, Sofia I think. I tipped 200 and asked if she visits hotels. She said no.
Twice rebuffed by fittest in Club Rio and Princess, why would they when they can make 15 k GRN in one night easy.
Clientele was mix Ukrainian, a yank, myself and mostly gulf states. Its of main street near independence square.
Horny as hell I head back to Fiesta massage.
https://fiesta-massage.com.ua/en
I arrive an told 2 or 3 ladies in 15 minutes end up waiting for 1. 5 hours given tea and snacks. They have comfy chairs, pissed off I waited but was worth it.
Got Sacha and Vladir.
2 chicks for 3,000 included 2 pops full touching.
When Sacha the fittest on me, 8 body / 7 face I had a little vagina lick which she pulled away and said Niet. As she was drunk she was ok and carried on.
Great erotic, then chilled with drinks. 200 GRN for 2 beers and a whiskey / coke for Sasha.
The other chick gave me her number unsure ill take it up.
Went home happy but late. 4 Am e scooter home.
Day 4 Trip so far to mid day.
Woke up breakfast late at mid day, decided to go to Relax massage in day its right next to Premier palace e scoot down. Told there will be 5 ladies in 15 minutes, do a lap of place.
Come back not disappointing 5 chicks, 3 well worth taking, decide on one. 1300 for full touching, kiss of body no internal fingers, her body is a strong 8.5, face 7, max 30. Looks like Russian wife in Rocky 4.
Great service bouncing on me vagina in face wanking me off with hand behind her back. Great service, I had no small money to tip. Her name is Alicia. Highlighly recommend.
I'll be back.
Relax erotic massage.
www.relaxmassage.kiev.ua
Its best to whatsapp and book appointment.
Internet cafe now, printing docs for home on Sunday. Will eat near by recharge battery and head to Dolls tonight, I say a request to try Salon Dream and as it is near by I will try that tonight.
Massage in day increases chance of better selection less customers but weekends add to this.
Day 3.5 out.
Nong Khai.
Thank you for the report, I'm looking forward to my next trip later this month or next and will report back. Anyone else have any updates on current situation regarding take out from strip clubs other than Rio? I know past reports reflect different experiences, as to be expected. I've had some there where it was go and others no. Seems like things change often and it's been awhile for me so hoping someone would be kind enough to share current status. I know it's not for everyone but I enjoy the atmosphere.
Day 3 Trip report.
To The Airport.
So I leave my place and make my way to Red line.
Teatralna station to Vkzalna by Metro.
As you leave metro The have a huge Green M on top easy to see.
Head straight, follow crown with bags into main Train station.
Now you need to buy a ticket for Kiev to Boryspil airport its track 14. The counter is number 52, of course it is right, right behind as you walk in so you will not see if. Right in front of you are huge stair cases and escalators. To the right you can see an info, you can ask here, but just turn right as you walk in. Simple. Buy ticket 80 Grrn.
Walk up to platform..
I am taking note, thanks for the info. Are there bars in Kiev and / or Kharkiv where the working girls tend to hang out. Please advise.Of course. In Kharkiv you can find freelancer hookers at the weekend Bolero club. But I don't think it makes much sense to find prostitutes in a nightclub. I usually meet semi-pro girls on mamba or tinder. Unfortunately, there aren't as many girls as before on mamba. In Kiev, the Caribbean club was full of freelancer hooker. But I don't know if this club is still open. The girls start to lower the prices as the night progresses. As I said, I prefer dating apps than finding prostitutes in nightclubs.
By the way, I think Lviv is very neglected in this forum. Soon I will share my experiences about Lviv.
Day 3.5 Continued.
So I set off to Dolls club again, on entry the hostess speaking English tells me that there is a 2,000 GRN charge / deposit to sit at stage or 8000 GRN if I wanted a couch.
Prices.
Entry 500.
Drinks are 220 for Vodka or whiskey Red label low brand.
Beers approx 200.
I was not planning on drinking 2000 GRN but I was told that it can be used for private dancers as well. Although was a little unsure if this was correct. Sat down, paid the 2000 and changed a further 1000 to 100;s for tips.
I sit on right of stage where I know girls exit. The club begins to fill up promptly from 10 pm it is a Friday. I have a few private dancers 500, some I tip 100. All allow me to touch etc for the two songs, rooms are better than Princess for lighting.
Then I see one on stage and to get her attention I pull out a 100 for a tip I ask her for a private dance, she says she cannot see is sitting with some guys with drinks on a couch. Dohh, I get a little feel of bottom as I insert the 100 under pantie draw string.
I then see my favorite from the other night, she leaves and walks past I get her attention and ask for private dance. I wait awhile she then comes and says that she is with other gentlemen she will try and come in 15 minutes. It does not happen.
Missed out on my favorite again, she looks like a strong 9. 5. Mostly Russian speaking only.
I have my phoned charged behind the bar, so issues there but I did turn it off in case, I will need google maps latter.
I ask for my bill, she says it is under the 2000 GRN / deposit. I leave.
Entrance 500,2 whiskeys, 2 beers And 1 dance on the bill.
I then walk down to Penthouse, the lights are on easy to spot from Dolls, you walk right 100 meters then cross the road, you can't miss it.
I was disappointing the small person operating the lift is no longer there, we take the steps. Immediately notice the lower quality decor and women. A seasoned pro starts up talk, others me a lap dance. 1000 GRN.
No thanks,
I drink my 1 Heineken and leave paying the 400 GRn entrance, a waste of time. No women worth taking in the back and private dance is too much. Bad business model here at Penthouse, could do with a new manager and set up.
At this point I am more drunk then I have been all trip and for the last 6 months. I should have went to salon relax but decide to go to sky bar area and visit Harem.
http://harem.com.ua/o-klube
I am told that entry is 600 perhaps 500. And there is a 3000 entry deposit, I order a few drinks and have two lap dancers on the bill. The girls come ask for money then you say its on the bill. The set up here is not as good as Club Rio / Tootsies or Dolls. Its more open space and further away from the women.
I did not enjoy it. A could of dancers again you are allowed to touch etc. But quality were 7's and allot of girls were taken by 12 at night.
I check my balance, still had over a 1000 left but I leave. Not impressed its too close to touristy area. Worth a visit mid week but not on weekend. Much better places to see.
I am not pretty drunk but horny, I am now closer to Premier palace and relax.
https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/
I make my way there I am let in straight away, one local guy sitting waiting for a friend where they take your shoes off and other you Hotel sleepers.
I am taken into a room and told 5 minutes, within a few minutes I hear the other guys leave and girls enter. 4 to choose, I take 2 women for 1 hour 2 erotics. Cost I can't remember maybe 2800 or 3000.
One a 6. 5 late 20's the other 7 younger. The late 20's does most of the work as I kiss and touch the younger one. Another great service as relax massage.
I make my way home.
Day 4. - Saturday.
Still determined to have sex with an attractive Ukrainian I start to use tinder allot of regular matches in early to mid 20's – 10 years + younger than me. Long game is definite if I am out here for a few months.
I get a match from Tanya, straight away I ask to meet she send photos and videos, I say if genuine and if not I will not meet.
Anyway arrange to meet at 2 pm. I give her address but wrong apartment number, I wait just outside court yard pretending to talk on phone, I think she arrives nice white dress and hat. Different girl but still good.
A solid 6. 5, well presented, size 10 firm real tits. 21st birthday today, filler in lips is only fake thing on her, a couple of tattoos.
The price was 3000 GRN.
I go to meet as she is sending messages asking where I am, I am not disappointing with face, this will work.
I take up stairs we exchange names talk a little in English.
I pay the 3000 and she quickly freshens up. I take half a 50 MG generic Viagra local brand.
She gets naked on bed, nice and firm body, the room has mirrors on wardrobe which she watches her self as she rubs my body, I offer my two feather lite condoms she accepts, as she is about to open a condom for a blow job I ask how much without, she says 1000. I get money I had ready from pocket of trousers.
Starts with a good blow job for 10 mins + she says don't come inside her mouth.
We then start sex with condom, normal, her on top doggy, we stop after 30 mins, water break new condom, doggy again. I can't cum, I have blown too much this trip. I take off and wank myself as she sucks my balls. I then start to get close and use her nice breasts as a tit wank, I cum on the breasts.
We clean up, she then tells me its her birthday, she gets a call from a salon she had an appointment at and shows my the restaurant she has booked for her and friend tonight, I am eager for her to leave so I can shower and get food.
She leaves, overall a good experience was worth 4000 for BJ no condom and sex with 21 year old size 10, see cups.
Kiev mission complete.
Just in internet cafe printing off boarding passes and travel stuff to get me back into the UK. Early flight tomorrow so no drinking. I will probably go to Salon Dream tonight for last massage and get a report for you guys.
Next report will be in a few days when I am back on my laptop, I will summaries all details and give ratings.
If there are no fitties at Salon Dream I will head back to relax massage and take the tall blonde again. Outstanding body.
If you enjoy sushi I recommend Mafia restaurants very cheap.
I have been getting e scooters and just riding along the main walk ways checking out the local girls. So many beauties here that look after themselves.
Nong Khai.
Ukraine girls love Muslim Dudes. Ukraine is full of guys from Middle Eastern countries, another fact that most forget to post in there reports.It is the other way around.
Of course. In Kharkiv you can find freelancer hookers at the weekend Bolero club. But I don't think it makes much sense to find prostitutes in a nightclub. I usually meet semi-pro girls on mamba or tinder. Unfortunately, there aren't as many girls as before on mamba. In Kiev, the Caribbean club was full of freelancer hooker. But I don't know if this club is still open. The girls start to lower the prices as the night progresses. As I said, I prefer dating apps than finding prostitutes in nightclubs.
By the way, I think Lviv is very neglected in this forum. Soon I will share my experiences about Lviv.In one of the reports out there they talk about paying the freelance girl before the service. That normally is not done in Thailand and Rio. Is that normal with freelances in the Ukraine.
Thanks for you help.
My last report should have been day 4 and part 5.
After the internet shop I stroll the main ketchyk street down to independence square. 8 9 and 10 out of 10's every where its a Saturday.
I grab a e scooter and make my way to dream Salon.
I park outside. As I know lady says 2 minutes then an 8. 5 leaves. Her name is Emma short brunette hair.
Its only been a few hours since my escort but the local Viagra still working.
Choice of 4 come.
2 are strong 7's. Its approx 6 pm.
I choose arina. 5.8 little English firm tits.
Great massage.
Great erotic.
Brilliant all inclusive touching and sucking tits 1500 grn per website.
I leave walk through park check out all the pretty girls. I need to work here later in the summer.
Lots more genuine tinder matches appear they want to meet.
Its my last night.
I'm tired. Drained.
I call it a night.
Bounce up to get taxi.
Recommend downloading.
Bolt.
Uber and uklon.
Bolt seems more choice.
When they drop you at airport walk to exit 2 less people.
Approx 400 grn in uber.
I leave a happy man.
I'll do a condensed summary with ratings / names and locations.
Nong khai.
In one of the reports out there they talk about paying the freelance girl before the service. That normally is not done in Thailand and Rio. Is that normal with freelances in the Ukraine.
Thanks for you help.I normally have the money laid out clearly visible on the table so they can see it when they enter the room. Typically with freelance pro or non-pro in Kiev, there is no discussion of money during the meeting with me. At the end I will either put the money in their pocket or purse.
Of the 50+ girls I have had in Kiev since August, I'd say maybe 4 of them asked to be paid upfront. I still see one of those 4 and after seeing me 5-6 times, she still asks for and counts the money up front. Other than the about 4 that have asked for the money up front, I can only remember one girl counting the money after the session.
I have had a few times when the girl was leaving and I had forgotten about the money and they would have left without it had I not remembered. I think that has only happened with repeat girls.
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I have been getting e scooters and just riding along the main walk ways checking out the local girls. So many beauties here that look after themselves.
Nong Khai.Thank you for your report. I am really grateful for every detail.
I don't want to appear rude. But it doesn't look like a successful stay in Kiev. OK. I've known Kiev for 25 years. A very, very long time. Compared to previous years, the vacation sounds more like a mistake.
You usually paid $ 100 somewhere. And end up getting poor service for it. In The past: There used to be really beautiful girls for the money. And even for a lot less money. They were ready to give everything. Come in the face and mouth. Fucking without a condom. And not infrequently together with a beautiful friend (lesbian sex, threesome). But inflation in Kiev is high. For example, I often see girls on Mamba who I fucked a few years ago for $ 30. All inclusive. Today they charge $ 200 and more. And the service is significantly worse than before.
You got lost in various massage parlors and strip shows. Visited three or four locations a day. With rather meager success. Maybe it's your type of entertainment. To go home drunk from all the impressions. In my home country such a tour would really be considered a failure.
I also have to say: You don't have to drive to the airport for a corona test. This is wasted time. You can't actually get into the airport without a ticket. If you were let in, it was a coincidence. So it is possible that one or the other tourist would make this trip without success. There are tons of test centers in the city center (for example Synevo with almost 50 branches in the city center https://www.synevo.ua/).
DramaFree11
06-13-21, 13:04
It is the other way around.Ukraine women do not care about what guys they are banging. As long as they can keep there lifestyle or they will do whatever it takes to get the help out of Kiev, so yes the love Mus. Dudes. Most of Mus. Dudes, in Kiev are bottom feeders they are happy to bang anything, that walks. The guys that have money or can get attractive girls are going to other destination. This is another issue, they have know problem banging ugly women.
Most Russian girls will not date Muslim guys at least that is what they say, but when you have no money things change. Russian are prejudice, for the most part Ukraine girls are not.
DramaFree11
06-13-21, 13:08
Thank you for your report. I am really grateful for every detail.
I don't want to appear rude. But it doesn't look like a successful stay in Kiev. OK. I've known Kiev for 25 years. A very, very long time. Compared to previous years, the vacation sounds more like a mistake.
You usually paid $ 100 somewhere. And end up getting poor service for it. In The past: There used to be really beautiful girls for the money. And even for a lot less money. They were ready to give everything. Come in the face and mouth. Fucking without a condom. And not infrequently together with a beautiful friend (lesbian sex, threesome). But inflation in Kiev is high. For example, I often see girls on Mamba who I fucked a few years ago for $ 30. All inclusive. Today they charge $ 200 and more. And the service is significantly worse than before.
You got lost in various massage parlors and strip shows. Visited three or four locations a day. With rather meager success. Maybe it's your type of entertainment. To go home drunk from all the impressions. In my home country such a tour would really be considered a failure.
I also have to say: You don't have to drive to the airport for a corona test. This is wasted time. You can't actually get into the airport without a ticket. If you were let in, it was a coincidence. So it is possible that one or the other tourist would make this trip without success. There are tons of test centers in the city center (for example Synevo with almost 50 branches in the city center https://www.synevo.ua/).I got the same feeling, this does not sound like a positive experience to me either. I almost never have these experience in Moscow or Mexico. This stuff is so common in Kiev now, that guys consider these experience as normal. Why fly across the world and be treated like this.
So I set off to Dolls club again, on entry the hostess speaking English tells me that there is a 2,000 GRN charge / deposit to sit at stage or 8000 GRN if I wanted a couch.
I was not planning on drinking 2000 GRN but I was told that it can be used for private dancers as well. Although was a little unsure if this was correct. Sat down, paid the 2000 and changed a further 1000 to 100;s for tips.
At this point I am more drunk then I have been all trip and for the last 6 months. I should have went to salon relax but decide to go to sky bar area and visit Harem.
I am told that entry is 600 perhaps 500. And there is a 3000 entry deposit, I order a few drinks and have two lap dancers on the bill. The girls come ask for money then you say its on the bill.
Nong Khai.Thanks a lot for your excellent reports Nong Khai, as I rode, places like harem or dolls now want you to pay 2 k or 3 k grivna as deposit to spend in the place, it didn't happen before, is a pity, at least as I understand you can spend in private dances with girls, I wish other clubs like Rio, tootsies and so don't follow the same path.
In one of the reports out there they talk about paying the freelance girl before the service. That normally is not done in Thailand and Rio. Is that normal with freelances in the Ukraine.
Thanks for you help.I actually added a website post explaining the types and prices of prostitutes in Ukraine. But I think it is forbidden to give links. This is why my previous post doesn't show up. Speaking from my own experience, most of the semi-pro girls in Ukraine want the money up front. Of course, this only applies to a first date. After a few dates with the girl, she trusts you and she doesn't have to ask for money upfront. By the way, if a semi-pro girl asks you for an upfront payment for any reason, you're likely to be scammed. Be careful about this.
Have you decided which city to travel to? How many days will you stay in Ukraine? How much did you budget per day for nightlife? I can give more detailed information about these conditions.
I actually added a website post explaining the types and prices of prostitutes in Ukraine. But I think it is forbidden to give links. This is why my previous post doesn't show up. Speaking from my own experience, most of the semi-pro girls in Ukraine want the money up front. Of course, this only applies to a first date. After a few dates with the girl, she trusts you and she doesn't have to ask for money upfront. By the way, if a semi-pro girl asks you for an upfront payment for any reason, you're likely to be scammed. Be careful about this.
Have you decided which city to travel to? How many days will you stay in Ukraine? How much did you budget per day for nightlife? I can give more detailed information about these conditions.Thanks so much for your experience. I will be in the Ukraine for 9 days. I guess just Kiev. I was thinking of going to Odessa but not sure it is worth the time traveling. I suppose there are beachs in Kiev. Is Chernobyl worth going to? Mostly I am going for the sex but I would like to take in the sights as well. So it sounds like with semi-pros you wait until you are about in the bedroom and then pay. I am budgeting about $150 per day for the sex but that could go up.
Thanks much.
I actually added a website post explaining the types and prices of prostitutes in Ukraine. But I think it is forbidden to give links. This is why my previous post doesn't show up. Speaking from my own experience, most of the semi-pro girls in Ukraine want the money up front. Of course, this only applies to a first date. After a few dates with the girl, she trusts you and she doesn't have to ask for money upfront. By the way, if a semi-pro girl asks you for an upfront payment for any reason, you're likely to be scammed. Be careful about this.
Have you decided which city to travel to? How many days will you stay in Ukraine? How much did you budget per day for nightlife? I can give more detailed information about these conditions.It is not forbidden to post links. But you have to post more than a link. You must write why you are posting it and what is to be expected at the website.
Thanks so much for your experience. I will be in the Ukraine for 9 days. I guess just Kiev. I was thinking of going to Odessa but not sure it is worth the time traveling. I suppose there are beachs in Kiev. Is Chernobyl worth going to? Mostly I am going for the sex but I would like to take in the sights as well. So it sounds like with semi-pros you wait until you are about in the bedroom and then pay. I am budgeting about $150 per day for the sex but that could go up.
Thanks much.You're a bit unlucky, prostitute prices in Kiev this summer are even higher than in Odessa. 9 days is not enough time to see 2 cities. This is of course my personal opinion. If you are going to Ukraine for the first time, I think you should also stay in Kiev.
Some recommendations:
Americans generally use the Airbnb website to rent a apartment. But I rent usually an apartment through booking.com. I think there are many more affordable options on booking.com.
I advise you to rent a apartment near Khrechatyk street. If you can find a house with a safe box, that would be perfect.
Of course, you can also stay at the hotel. The hotel is safer, but for a sex tourist, I think renting an apartment would be a better option. Purely my personal opinion.
You can find many erotic massage parlors in Kiev that offer good service and are cheap. No sex, body to body massage and handjob.
I can recommend Red light Massage, Salon Dream and Afrodita Massage Club. You should make a reservation before visiting.
If you like Thai massage I recommend kinari Thai massage establishment. No happy ending, real Thai massage.
You can also find individual hookers providing services for local men on keksik.net. The website is in Russian but google translate will work. Download bolt and uber taxi apps. Don't mess with street taxi drivers. Prepaid sim cards are sold at the airport. Prices are affordable. You can buy it at the airport and start using it. You can use telegram, viber, whatsapp apps to communicate with hookers. For semi-pro girls, mamba. Ru or tinder is the best option.
I'll continue advices when I have time.
I got the same feeling, this does not sound like a positive experience to me either. I almost never have these experience in Moscow or Mexico. This stuff is so common in Kiev now, that guys consider these experience as normal. Why fly across the world and be treated like this.Totally agree! Kyiv has changed so much! It is not any more good! Either for the price or the quality! Poor quality poor service and high price! Three factors played to change Kyiv: 1- the local people of Kyiv got rich! A lot of kievian rich guys taking pretty girls. 2- the visa free program to Europe, all beautiful girls packed their stuff and left to get paid in Euro. 3-Ukraine opened its borders to the rich gulf states, no visa requirement any more, just come in, with the flood of Saudi nationals in Kyiv! The demand is high and the supply is less and less! Then what do you expect?
Of course. In Kharkiv you can find freelancer hookers at the weekend Bolero club. But I don't think it makes much sense to find prostitutes in a nightclub. I usually meet semi-pro girls on mamba or tinder. Unfortunately, there aren't as many girls as before on mamba. In Kiev, the Caribbean club was full of freelancer hooker. But I don't know if this club is still open. The girls start to lower the prices as the night progresses. As I said, I prefer dating apps than finding prostitutes in nightclubs.
By the way, I think Lviv is very neglected in this forum. Soon I will share my experiences about Lviv.Sorry guys! Mamba getting greedy! And not too many girls are using it they left to other apps. Like telegram! Again Mamba Finished! Dead! Waste of time and waste of money if you will get a VIP status.
Alexandrey77
06-14-21, 13:37
Thanks so much for your experience. I will be in the Ukraine for 9 days. I guess just Kiev. I was thinking of going to Odessa but not sure it is worth the time traveling. I suppose there are beachs in Kiev. Is Chernobyl worth going to? Mostly I am going for the sex but I would like to take in the sights as well. So it sounds like with semi-pros you wait until you are about in the bedroom and then pay. I am budgeting about $150 per day for the sex but that could go up.
Thanks much.I went to Chernobyl a few years ago and in my opinion it worth the day trip, I had chosen the semi-private tour, in total we were 4 visitors, a private guide and the driver.
The tour was comprehensive of pick-up in Kyiv, English speaking tour guide, full day in Pripyat and the near the reactor 4, Ukrainian meal at the end of the day, I paid 90 pounds.
It is not forbidden to post links. But you have to post more than a link. You must write why you are posting it and what is to be expected at the website.Thanks for answer. I started a new blog and I write my own experiences there. About Ukraine nightlife. I had created some lists there. Kiev Erotic Massage Parlors, Strip Clubs, Hookers Cost and different types. The links I shared belonged to those articles.
Sorry guys! Mamba getting greedy! And not too many girls are using it they left to other apps. Like telegram! Again Mamba Finished! Dead! Waste of time and waste of money if you will get a VIP status.It is interesting. I was using Mamba very successfully since September but in the last month it has gotten worse and worse. I assumed maybe it is because the university girls left Kiev for the summer.
If someone can explain how to look for girls on Telegram, please tell us. I talk to girls all the time on Telegram, but finding them?
Salon dream.
Our salon. Salon Dream. Ukraine Kiev massage.
At least 3 girls on day shift 7+ out of 10.
Relax massage in Kiev near Premier palace.
At least 3 girls on day shift 7+ out of 10.
Fiesta Massage (make a booking).
Strip Clubs.
Princess.
Dolls.
Club Rio.
Avoid. Penthouse.
Hareem not on weekend.
Weekends all strip clubs include a minimum price (can be used for private dancers) - unsure if RIO / Tootsies also do this?
TINDER.
When you are on the ground you will get allot of matches, wait until you arrive. You can quickly tell if they are agencies, independent or genuine girls.
PCR test at Boryspil airport.
COVID-19 PCR & Express testing at Boryspil International Airport — А1077;1088;1086;1087;1086;1088;1090; Б1086;1088;1080;1089;1087;1110;1083;1100; (kbp. Aero).
Yes you can take in city but I wanted to explore the metro and train routes. The test takes 12 hours for results so they let you in despite earlier comments.
Overall I had a great trip, if you are a strip club and massage guy this is your place for European women. If you want girl friendly full service then Colombia, Kenya or Thailand.
I see other comments saying how 10 years ago they could get full service for $30, yes maybe when Ukraine was in USSR. And Mexico cannot be compared to Ukraine or Kiev, the Mexican girls do not rank near. I have been to Mexico many times and fluent in Spanish.
Chernoby trip is well recommended, I have done this one prior trips on AirBNB experience or book online.
Happy hunting.
NongKhai.
Salon dream.
Our salon. Salon Dream. Ukraine Kiev massage.
At least 3 girls on day shift 7+ out of 10.
Relax massage in Kiev near Premier palace.
At least 3 girls on day shift 7+ out of 10.
Fiesta Massage (make a booking).
Strip Clubs.
Princess.
Dolls.
Club Rio.
Avoid. Penthouse..You made reference to PCR testing at the airport, but I just read on line that if you have had on of the WHO approved vacations that you don't need a PCR negative test to come in. Was that your impression?
Please advise.
By the way excellent advise, pointing out the difference between weekend and non weekend services.
Hey guys )
Yeah I know I disappeared on you again, and I owe yall reports from 2019 but I realized something...This aint netflix, we're not watching "the last dance" LOL. It's pointless to relive the glory of the past on a current events/reports forum.
Besides, 2 of my more juicier reports are going to be used in some scripts I'm writing for my screenplay so I want to reserve those.
BUT I'm going to be back in Kiev from mid-July thru mid-Sept again so we are going to have a 'season 2' coming very shortly. Until then, I'm going to be in Brazil for 2 weeks so you can catch the preseason shenanigans over on the Brazil forum. Toodles ;)
I see other comments saying how 10 years ago they could get full service for $30, yes maybe when Ukraine was in USSR.
NongKhai.No. It was 4-5 years ago. With the same girls. With the same girls that can still be found on Mamba. For 200 dollars or euros. 30 in 2016. And don't try to bargain down the price. It won't work with these girls.
You shouldn't believe the age of the girls anyway. I know a girl who has 21 in her profile and has been in the business for 8 years. No. She didn't start working under 18. Another girl is 35 and writes 28 in her profile. Another girl 26 and I've really known her for 10 years. She was also already 20 when we first met.
If you order a professional lady, the price today is often 2000 UAH. Sometimes only 1500 UAH. Half goes to the boss. Not 10 years ago. No. Today. But the quality of women for this money is often very bad. In winter, during the quarantine, there were only a few tourists in Kiev. Girls who previously wanted $ 300 were willing to work again for less money for a short time.
Don't trust the photos. Even if it says "verified" or "100 percent real". Almost all of the photos on the website are not real. Sometimes it just shows the type of woman. Sometimes a 100 kilo woman visits you instead of a slim beauty. The agencies' business idea is very simple: most men do not reject women. Even if they are ugly. The men are eager to fuck a woman. Disappointment? Often it doesn't matter. The main thing is fresh meat. Here and right now.
Reiner Otto
06-15-21, 14:27
You made reference to PCR testing at the airport, but I just read on line that if you have had on of the WHO approved vacations that you don't need a PCR negative test to Flew in on 10-June with vaccinazation document only.
No. It was 4-5 years ago. With the same girls. With the same girls that can still be found on Mamba. For 200 dollars or euros. 30 in 2016. And don't try to bargain down the price. It won't work with these girls.
You shouldn't believe the age of the girls anyway. I know a girl who has 21 in her profile and has been in the business for 8 years. No. She didn't start working under 18. Another girl is 35 and writes 28 in her profile. Another girl 26 and I've really known her for 10 years. She was also already 20 when we first met.
If you order a professional lady, the price today is often 2000 UAH. Sometimes only 1500 UAH. Half goes to the boss. Not 10 years ago. No. Today. But the quality of women for this money is often very bad. In winter, during the quarantine, there were only a few tourists in Kiev. Girls who previously wanted $ 300 were willing to work again for less money for a short time.
Don't trust the photos. Even if it says "verified" or "100 percent real". Almost all of the photos on the website are not real. Sometimes it just shows the type of woman. Sometimes a 100 kilo woman visits you instead of a slim beauty. The agencies' business idea is very simple: most men do not reject women. Even if they are ugly. The men are eager to fuck a woman. Disappointment? Often it doesn't matter. The main thing is fresh meat. Here and right now.Of course girls lie. They are having sex for money; they are not so honest.).
That's why I said it is ok for us to use a photo filter and lie about our ages a bit too on Mamba since all these girls do face control. I remember living in Odessa in 2015 and being a super novelty native English speaker. Now nobody is impressed when they meet a native English speaker. Ukraine has become super international now and most girls have traveled internationally which was not the case just five years ago.
I don't agree with your $30 pricing, but I will say the prices for girls have doubled in the last six years. I don't mind, but as I said it is largely become of all the tech money in Kyiv. I can't imagine all the pussy you would be getting to be an Ukrainian tech worker in Kyiv these days. At 35 years old, you should be making about $5000 a month and drowning in university students.
Of course girls lie. They are having sex for money; they are not so honest.).What is the more honest? A girl who takes money for sex or a girl who takes money and no sex?
Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.
Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?
P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.
https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84
DramaFree11
06-17-21, 20:45
Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.
Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?
P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.
https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84Times is money. Be realistic, you are wasting your time in the villages. Maybe parts of Russia, but this will take so much work and time. This would be a huge waste of resources. Girls that live in the villages are there because of choice.
Ivan Buyan
06-18-21, 08:46
Some have written that girls outside Kiev could be willing to perform with less money.
Has anyone got ideas how to contact potential candidates outside of Kiev? For example in 1 hour bus drive radius?
P.S. Someone suggested Discord-channel, so I made one. Let's see if we get enough people in 12 months to make it useful.
https://discord.gg/XztAbxNx84Hey man,
Girls outside Kyiv and Odessa in summer time are cheaper. This is a fact but! There are no escort services in 1 ML area around Kyiv. Try Dnipro girls, Kharkiv, Lviv Odessa in non-Summer time, though gems may be found in summer as well.
The one hour bus drive wasn't meant for me. If there would be a social media platform through which one could reach out for little bit smaller cities around Kiev, that could be the key. But VK was banned and not that many use it with VPN.
At the moment I have established contact with 5 girls of which 2 I'm considering very promising encounter and 3 of which might turn out to be the same, but not sure sure yet. About these 3 I'm hesitant if the pictures of the girls are really recent and if the girl's attitude will be proper.
I'll follow the advice and download Tinder only after I'm in the city.
For some reason. Maybe because there was this story written here about two girls trying to use pepper spray or something against a customer, or the mentions about possible robbers for whom the girl opens the door. I find myself worrying about if the encounters will be safe. Because of the language barrier, I will not be able to make a read of the other person before we meet, and even then I suspect I might not be able to tell if there's well hidden agenda because most of the girls don't speak English. And I'm worried what will happen when we'll meet outside and if I cancel the deal, either for the reason that the girl is intoxicated or on drugs, or if she looks notably different from pictures. Or just because of a bad feeling. I haven't had to do this before and to do it in another country, where the stuff is illegal, gets my imagination to work.
The one hour bus drive wasn't meant for me. If there would be a social media platform through which one could reach out for little bit smaller cities around Kiev, that could be the key. But VK was banned and not that many use it with VPN.
At the moment I have established contact with 5 girls of which 2 I'm considering very promising encounter and 3 of which might turn out to be the same, but not sure sure yet. About these 3 I'm hesitant if the pictures of the girls are really recent and if the girl's attitude will be proper.
I'll follow the advice and download Tinder only after I'm in the city.
For some reason. Maybe because there was this story written here about two girls trying to use pepper spray or something against a customer, or the mentions about possible robbers for whom the girl opens the door. I find myself worrying about if the encounters will be safe. Because of the language barrier, I will not be able to make a read of the other person before we meet, and even then I suspect I might not be able to tell if there's well hidden agenda because most of the girls don't speak English..Not sure where you are meeting these girls haha but just have a 15 second video chat on Telegram or Viber to make sure they are real. They are probably thinking if you are real too. Everyone should be smart and also follow my two phone advice too.
Meet near a public place. It will be easier for you and the girl. They are just as scared as you most of the time if they do not have a driver (pros). I also pick a place a two minutes walk from my place. If you act scared when you meet them, they will be even more scared. Which will make you more scared too. You have to be the decisive man. Just say yes or no to her. If you are kind, you can give the girl taxi money back. If not, she will take the metro.).
I also do not understand the village thing. No village girl wants to be seen meeting up with an older foreign guy. The whole village will know she is a working girl the next day. Maybe you will get lucky after dozens of hours of trying, but I would say the Mamba profiles from villages are mostly scams wanting you to give them bus money on their card.
DramaFree11
06-19-21, 18:42
Not sure where you are meeting these girls haha but just have a 15 second video chat on Telegram or Viber to make sure they are real. They are probably thinking if you are real too. Everyone should be smart and also follow my two phone advice too.
Meet near a public place. It will be easier for you and the girl. They are just as scared as you most of the time if they do not have a driver (pros). I also pick a place a two minutes walk from my place. If you act scared when you meet them, they will be even more scared. Which will make you more scared too. You have to be the decisive man. Just say yes or no to her. If you are kind, you can give the girl taxi money back. If not, she will take the metro.).
I also do not understand the village thing. No village girl wants to be seen meeting up with an older foreign guy. The whole village will know she is a working girl the next day. Maybe you will get lucky after dozens of hours of trying, but I would say the Mamba profiles from villages are mostly scams wanting you to give them bus money on their card.Yep, so true. Many guys leave out just how many hours the spend searching for girls on-line. A Dozens hours is conservative, way too much work, the chances of pulling this off is slim to none. The only way to be successful in Kiev is hit the streets and approach girls.
Yeah, I'm planning to do the video call thing too. Meeting in public a couple of minutes walk away is also a definite go.
By the city-thing (which you called village) I meant that there is cities around Kiev, but if you use FakeGPS on your phone to locate you in some of these, there won't be but a few girls in Mamba. At least on the "search" tab. The wipe mode shows all girls, but when you use the search tab it only shows (apparently) those who have made it available. It seems that on default there's an option checked that hides you in "search" from those who aren't verified. So you should also verify your picture to see some girls. But it definitely is so that many, many girls don't show on the search tab. Only on the wipe.
I was trying to check out if there would be girls in nearby cities that could have been called in for a gig, but I guess there's no way to reach them. Thinking about it now I guess there's no point, why wouldn't they have enough customers in their own city.
Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls. I have no idea how to deal with situations if something goes wrong. Since this is illegal, calling the cops would require a situation where something has gone really wrong. And even if a girl / her partner would be able to snatch valuables as credit card, phone etc. There would be nothing to do. No way to get them back. So. I'm just not familiar with these poorer countries, I don't know how far will people go to get (steal) money. This is my hesitation.
Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls.Sounds like you haven't done much of this before. These guys want to keep a low profile, which means they have more of an interest in keeping a good regular client happy. Are there psychopaths out there? You bet. But they operate more like parasites in that they want to milk you, they don't want to slaughter you.
This is also the reason why you're not going to find your small town gem. Nobody in small towns has the money that these girls are looking for. Also, they don't want people recognizing them with clients. This ruins their reputation, and possibly anyone who knows them.
Just go to where the money is and set yourself up, don't upset yourself. Even if you're looking for that small town gem, you'll actually have better luck finding her through being where the money is.
Sounds like you haven't done much of this before. Yeah, I've never used a pimp and I don't intend to, if it's avoidable (by finding them 1-on-1). Girls in Mamba at least seems to be independent. If the driver is personally hired bodyguard then fine, but I doubt that a bit. Though if they are pro and this is their living, then yeah, it could be believable.
These guys want to keep a low profile, which means they have more of an interest in keeping a good regular client happy. Are there psychopaths out there? You bet. But they operate more like parasites in that they want to milk you, they don't want to slaughter you.Heh okay! That was a good piece of information.
This is also the reason why you're not going to find your small town gem. Nobody in small towns has the money that these girls are looking for. Also, they don't want people recognizing them with clients. This ruins their reputation, and possibly anyone who knows them.Like I said, the 1 hour bus drive was not for me. I bought Mamba's VIP and found out you can select these smaller places from the list. By doing this, you will see some girls in the 'swipe left-or-right' thing that didn't seem to be there when using Kiev as location. It will start to show people from Kiev too, once the locals run up, but it seems like not all girls set their location to Kiev. Also, there is the option to set your location / search area to "Kyiv Oblast", but I'm sure most of the regular Mamba users knew this already.
Just go to where the money is and set yourself up, don't upset yourself. Even if you're looking for that small town gem, you'll actually have better luck finding her through being where the money is.Yeah, you're probably right on this.
I just had a meeting with my regular (in my homecountry) yesterday and since we both make quite a nice (I at the ending), I started to think how the AirBnB will turn out. Once, at my country, I rented a place which owner's lived the next door. Once I gave the first orgasm to my visitor. Whose moan vibrated through the whole apartment building, I bet. I soon heard how the couple left their own apartment with their kid. This was bit embarrassing, in retrospect. So I thought maybe I should leave my AirBnb in Kiev each time with the girl, so if anyone paid notice, it could seem more like we just were on a date and went to fuck inside. Because if there will be a girl visiting 10 times, maybe someone might say something to the owner? I wouldn't like to have my AirBnb profile get a bad note. (although, come to think of it, I paid 700 euros for the place. I'd suppose they'd just be happy.).
Yeah, I'm planning to do the video call thing too. Meeting in public a couple of minutes walk away is also a definite go.
By the city-thing (which you called village) I meant that there is cities around Kiev, but if you use FakeGPS on your phone to locate you in some of these, there won't be but a few girls in Mamba. At least on the "search" tab. The wipe mode shows all girls, but when you use the search tab it only shows (apparently) those who have made it available. It seems that on default there's an option checked that hides you in "search" from those who aren't verified. So you should also verify your picture to see some girls. But it definitely is so that many, many girls don't show on the search tab. Only on the wipe.
I was trying to check out if there would be girls in nearby cities that could have been called in for a gig, but I guess there's no way to reach them. Thinking about it now I guess there's no point, why wouldn't they have enough customers in their own city.
Actually, I'm more worried about the driver / pimps than the girls. I have no idea how to deal with situations if something goes wrong. Since this is illegal, calling the cops would require a situation where something has gone really wrong. And even if a girl / her partner would be able to snatch valuables as credit card, phone etc. There would be nothing to do. No way to get them back. So. I'm just not familiar with these poorer countries, I don't know how far will people go to get (steal) money. This is my hesitation.Why are you so paranoid? You are either American and live in a city where murder is normalized or you are planning to kidnap one of these girls and make a jacket from her skin. Ukraine is probably much safer than wherever you are from unless you are writing in Basel from your bank office. Escorts are people too. Don't be a monster.
Can someone give us.
Newcomers the name of a good tour agency? Just around Keiv? Chernobyl?
Thanks.
Climbing.
The Mercy Seat
06-20-21, 23:19
Hi,
Coming back to Ukraine to see my girl in July. I am fully vaccinated and have bought the requested insurance for my stay. Do you still have to take a test at the airport? Have no plan on taking one before I leave my home country since a lot of hassle to arrange it.
Why are you so paranoid? You are either American and live in a city where murder is normalized or you are planning to kidnap one of these girls and make a jacket from her skin. Ukraine is probably much safer than wherever you are from unless you are writing in Basel from your bank office. Escorts are people too. Don't be a monster.There are a lot of other possibilities in the world than those three, which you could come up with.
Like I said, I haven't used pimps and I'm not familiar with the scene with it's driver / bodyguard setups. There's also been mentions on this forum about the possibility that a girl can go open the door of the apartment for her friends, who then would be able to rob you. This kind of things doesn't happen where I live. It's part of the preparation to be able to manage in new environment why I read this thread. One guy said he did all the precautions of setting up his friend's police badge and his military vest & helmet on visible places to make sure the girl would think twice if she had any intentions. I thought this is quite a over-extension, but then again. It might not be, if he would happen to encounter the wrong girl. I want to be as prepared as I can be for those situations where something goes wrong and there is yet something to be done about it. Or actually, it's not that. It's about making the moves to prevent the situation from going to such that it will / might end in a disaster. If a girl comes to a public place meeting and I tell her that no, she doesn't look like what I was expecting to see, do I know that she won't throw out a fit? Start shouting something in Russian or call her male friend (s) there? Regular people don't do this, but maybe emotionally and mentally unbalanced or drug addicts might do it. Since I don't know the language. Not the verbal nor the body-language. Of this country, I'm half blind and deaf, so to say. This is why I have read this thread a lot and asked questions.
Yeah, it can seem "paranoid" once you have been in such a country or doing such business with pimps before. And after I've done the trip, I hopefully will think that I was little bit too cautious to start with.
But since I've heard that the police / militia is the one that you should really avoid dealing with, I'm not counting on the safety of the country as / if I'm going to deal with illegal enterprises. Maybe experiences will prove this wrong. I really wait for that. On the 'don't do'-list is already visiting any restaurant or bar that a girl suggests to me. This alone makes me feel like don't trust nobody.
The funny thing is, all this uncertainty is part of the reason I want to visit Kiev. It's an adventure from this safe-haven of mine. I want to see how well I can read the people who want to play me. Hopefully this will limit to encounters with people who aren't interested to use physical violence to enforce their subjective point of view about the issue at hand.
P.S. Tip for Mamba: with VIP you can set your search area to cover the whole Kiev region by selecting any city in the area.
There are a lot of other possibilities in the world than those three, which you could come up with...It is good to be cautious, however mongering in Kyiv is quite safe on the whole. Just keep your wits about you.
It is in everyone's interest to keep a low profile, fucking with a tourist who could go to the embassy, will bring a level of heat that Salons and regular girls do not want.
Ensure that valuables are kept in a room safe, and meet dates in public places.
You will be fine and should no encounter too much hassle.
fucking with a tourist who could go to the embassy, will bring a level of heat that Salons and regular girls do not want.This is the one thing I trust.
But yeah, I'm going by those what you said. Going to hide my card, passport and headphones good.
CallSignRomeo
06-21-21, 21:23
There are a lot of other possibilities in the world than those three, which you could come up with.
But since I've heard that the police / militia is the one that you should really avoid dealing with, I'm not counting on the safety of the country as / if I'm going to deal with illegal enterprises. Maybe experiences will prove this wrong. I really wait for that. On the 'don't do'-list is already visiting any restaurant or bar that a girl suggests to me. This alone makes me feel like don't trust nobody.The restaurant scam was tried on me by two Asian looking girls who I matched on Tinder in Kiev. The girl wanted me to go to this specific bar with hookah and grill and would not go to different place at all. One other scam tried on me was bundle of notes (UAH) was dropped right in front of me as I was walking through Pecherschk district towards Gulliver building. The scam involves you picking the bundle up and handing it to the 'owner' who is pretending to be unlocking his car or on call and when he checks the bundle he is short of few notes and gets it from your wallet LOL. I just winked at the guy and said to him in Russian Nyet Svivodnya (Not Today)!
If you don't trouble the girls I doubt the local mafia and police who are also on payroll would come looking for you. If you don't like the girls when they visit you can hand them 100-200 UAH and ask to leave which they do without any issues.
Reiner Otto
06-22-21, 05:47
Hi,
Coming back to Ukraine to see my girl in July. Full vacc is sufficient. Plus insurance, of course.
The restaurant scam was tried on me by two Asian looking girls who I matched on Tinder in Kiev. The girl wanted me to go to this specific bar with hookah and grill and would not go to different place at all. One other scam tried on me was bundle of notes (UAH) was dropped right in front of me as I was walking through Pecherschk district towards Gulliver building. The scam involves you picking the bundle up and handing it to the 'owner' who is pretending to be unlocking his car or on call and when he checks the bundle he is short of few notes and gets it from your wallet LOL. I just winked at the guy and said to him in Russian Nyet Svivodnya (Not Today)!
If you don't trouble the girls I doubt the local mafia and police who are also on payroll would come looking for you. If you don't like the girls when they visit you can hand them 100-200 UAH and ask to leave which they do without any issues.I've had the bundle of notes in a plastic bag done to me at least 10 times and I haven't been to Kiev in 8 years. When I would see it I would start kicking it down the street or on the road. My first variant was a guy tapped me and said look what I found and offered to share it with me then a pissed off guy came up and started yelling it was his and where is the missing money. I just said, nothing to do with me and bolted. After a few repeats I decided to make it a bit more fun for me. With it at worst me telling them I know the scam so fuck off.
KeepTheFun
06-25-21, 22:25
Full vacc is sufficient. Plus insurance, of course.How can I get insurance? Name?
I am considering park Inn Radission Troyitska hotel. Any previous experience? Girls friendly?
I would like to give some information about scammer bars / nightclubs etc.
HookahHiTea / Kiev.
You matched with a girl on Tinder or mamba. She said she didn't have much time, she could meet you on Moskovska street. She did not name any restaurants or cafes. You were just going to take a little walk together. You met and started walking. As you were walking past this establishment, the girl asked you, "Shall we sit here and talk for a while?" If you accept, you are now trapped. Overcharge is waiting for you. It doesn't matter what you order.
Chicky Picky Strip Club / Kiev.
Actually, this strip club is a semi-professional scam business. If you are drunk and order expensive drinks they inflate the bill. While you are waiting to pay 10 000 uah bill, you may face double account. So they are doing opportunity scams. So it's totally up to your luck whether you get ripped off at this club or not.
Palladium Night Club / Odessa.
I don't know if this place is still open but what I do know is that it's the most famous scam company in Odessa. The trick is the same. You met the hot Slav chicks in Odessa and they offered you to go to Palladium. I shuddered even thinking about the bill you would pay.
Itaka Beach Club / Odessa.
Unfortunately, even the famous beach clubs in Odessa do not hesitate to cooperate with scammer girls. You made a eye contact with a sexy Slavic girl in the nightclub and invited her to your table. The girl will order expensive food and drink and you will pay an unforgettable bill at the end of the night.
When I have time I will write a blog post about the types of scams in Ukraine.
For now, I just want to give this advice. If you don't know Russian and don't have Ukrainian experience, don't bother picking up girls. You either waste time or money. Most of the time you lose both. If you're a short-term tourist, find a prostitute, pay her and fuck. That's all. Simple and logical.
Anyone know much about girls from this site?
http://www.phototours-ukraine.com/index.html
I know some of them are on tour a lot to places like Switzerland or one week vacations to Greece etc. It states most are nude models, but a few have erotic written in red. Some of the models are on tour frequently and often booked for 3-4 hour photo sessions, I wonder if anything is possible off camera or under the table? A few of the models were on glam or xx sites before so there it might be obvious but for others not so? Maybe someone knows more?
I usually see tourists hanging out in luxury and expensive nightclubs. Of course it's a matter of budget and taste. But I also like hanging out in less touristy and cheap student clubs. Girls who come to cheap student clubs aren't meant to show off, but just to have fun. That's why I think cheap clubs are more fun. But I am over 35 and techno music is not my style. For this reason, I hang out in very noisy nightclubs for a maximum of 2 hours.
I also recommend Caribbean Club if you don't like noise like me. It is not a very cheap club, but a quality club. The shows are worth seeing. Another advantage is that it is crowded on weekdays. You can also find many freelancer prostitutes in this club. But my personal opinion is that it doesn't make much sense to find prostitutes in nightclubs. They want more money and I don't find it logical to go to my apartment with a girl I don't know while drunk. Maybe it would make more sense to meet up, get his number and plan for the next day.
Radio Hall is a nightclub known to fewer tourists. I think it is worth seeing, especially on weekends in the summer. Prices are reasonable.
Saxon and Forsage nightclubs cater to low-budget students. They are located a little outside of the city. I can recommend you to hang out in these clubs for a few hours.
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I was walking yesterday night around Kiev night scene, bad news about stripclubs, prices get high, in harem (club in arena center) they want you to pay deposit 2.000 grivna, entrance is 500 included in the deposit, at least you can use the other 1500 in private dances.
In nosorog clubs price for private dance grows to 600,20% more than 2019.
I was walking yesterday night around Kiev night scene, bad news about stripclubs, prices get high, in harem (club in arena center) they want you to pay deposit 2.000 grivna, entrance is 500 included in the deposit, at least you can use the other 1500 in private dances.
In nosorog clubs price for private dance grows to 600,20% more than 2019.How much does private dance cost in nosorog right now?
Kiev is not the little-known old Kiev. This has been discussed before on this page. There is an influx of sex tourists to Kiev right now. But this price rise will not continue like this. Currently, many countries in the world have limited entries due to covid-19. When the world returns to normal, the price increase in Kiev will also stop. But Kiev will no longer offer such a cheap nightlife as before.
How much does private dance cost in nosorog right now?
Kiev is not the little-known old Kiev. This has been discussed before on this page. There is an influx of sex tourists to Kiev right now. But this price rise will not continue like this. Currently, many countries in the world have limited entries due to covid-19. When the world returns to normal, the price increase in Kiev will also stop. But Kiev will no longer offer such a cheap nightlife as before.Now is 600 grivna. I'm 2019 was 500, I remember my first times here, it was 300.
Tonight I was to princess, not very interesting, lot of girls seem bored while they dance, maybe once in action they are a tigress, but looking at them while dance, nobody would say that.
I was walking yesterday night around Kiev night scene, bad news about stripclubs, prices get high, in harem (club in arena center) they want you to pay deposit 2.000 grivna, entrance is 500 included in the deposit, at least you can use the other 1500 in private dances.
In nosorog clubs price for private dance grows to 600,20% more than 2019.At least is there quality girls and a good service?
At least is there quality girls and a good service?By now I just visited 2 of them, then is too early to answer, more in dance I will write a full report.
So we need health insurance to enter Ukraine.
I assume most people are getting it from the website "Visit Ukraine. ".
https://visitukraine.today/
Is this insurance for covid-related problem only? On this webpage it says, "INSURANCE POLICY FOR COVID-19. ".
Or is it a general travel insurance? I mean if I get another health issue while in Ukraine, does this cover it?
If not, I guess it is a good idea to get yet another general travel insurance.
Are we supposed to pay out of our pockets on the day of the doctor visit and get reimbursed later?
So we need health insurance to enter Ukraine.
I assume most people are getting it from the website "Visit Ukraine. ".
https://visitukraine.today/
Is this insurance for covid-related problem only? On this webpage it says, "INSURANCE POLICY FOR COVID-19. ".
Or is it a general travel insurance? I mean if I get another health issue while in Ukraine, does this cover it?
If not, I guess it is a good idea to get yet another general travel insurance.
Are we supposed to pay out of our pockets on the day of the doctor visit and get reimbursed later?I built my insurance there and it was checked and accepted first in my airport origin and second by Ukrainian customs, they accepted also covid passport from EU, dint get a PCR.
PhotoSlider
06-30-21, 20:19
Now is 600 grivna. I'm 2019 was 500, I remember my first times here, it was 300.
Tonight I was to princess, not very interesting, lot of girls seem bored while they dance, maybe once in action they are a tigress, but looking at them while dance, nobody would say that.Prices go up across the board, not just in strip clubs. The reasons are multiple. Travel restrictions, changing tourist demography. Also for girls themselves the recovery from COVID can become more involved and costly, including time, than simply taking antibiotics after contracting stock STD. One of my regulars was off the market for over a month, and then got sick again. More perceived risk means a higher threshold while considering joining the escort workforce by attractive young girls.
We shall see what transpires by Christmas. Israel had 80% of the adult population vaccinated, and approved no masks, then returned back to masks again, just recently.
There are 1000's of Saudis now in Kiev, I am told since about 3 weeks ago that they ended last quarantine, Ukraine waved visas for Saudis now. You walk inside Arena, and they are everywhere. There are thousands more men now that usual. Kiev is full of tourists at the moment, hotels are full, prices are high. It is not a good time to come to Kiev to monger now.
BTW, nobody cares about Covid since long time ago, not during lockdowns, not after. During the lockdowns in the winter was the best time to visit when you could be alone with hundreds of available girls in strip club, and no deposits.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241
For $250,000 he could f*ck thousands of Ukrainian girls better look and younger than his bride.
How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cocks rule their head.
So we need health insurance to enter Ukraine.
I assume most people are getting it from the website "Visit Ukraine. ".
https://visitukraine.today/
Is this insurance for covid-related problem only? On this webpage it says, "INSURANCE POLICY FOR COVID-19. ".
Or is it a general travel insurance? I mean if I get another health issue while in Ukraine, does this cover it?
If not, I guess it is a good idea to get yet another general travel insurance.
Are we supposed to pay out of our pockets on the day of the doctor visit and get reimbursed later?Buy everything in your home country from a reputable insurer (example Allianz). Ask yourself a simple question how much it may cost to airlift you back to your home country if in stable condition. Large insurers pay directly to hospitals and arrange everything. Forget the local contract, the benefits are peanuts.
Buy everything in your home country from a reputable insurer (example Allianz). Ask yourself a simple question how much it may cost to airlift you back to your home country if in stable condition. Large insurers pay directly to hospitals and arrange everything. Forget the local contract, the benefits are peanuts.My understanding is that the insurance must be bought from Ukrainian provider?
Reiner Otto
07-01-21, 07:48
My understanding is that the insurance must be bought from Ukrainian provider?Yes.
However, I better trust my German travel ensurer.
SA girls in Kiev laugh and block me when I offer 5000 ($200).
Some scammers on Mamba, don't bother.
My driver took me to 3 apartments last night, girls don't even bother to stand up, no heels, lazy girls.
No matches at all on tinder this time.
The city is packed with horny tourists, cheap RyanAir flights. I guess other countries aren't open yet and Belarus cancelled flights, so here we go.
The big open area club / bar in Arena last night had to have 1 to 10 ratio. Gross.
Member #4722
07-01-21, 23:42
SA girls in Kiev laugh and block me when I offer 5000 ($200).
Some scammers on Mamba, don't bother.
My driver took me to 3 apartments last night, girls don't even bother to stand up, no heels, lazy girls.
No matches at all on tinder this time.
The city is packed with horny tourists, cheap RyanAir flights. I guess other countries aren't open yet and Belarus cancelled flights, so here we go.
The big open area club / bar in Arena last night had to have 1 to 10 ratio. Gross.What scams did you encounter on Mamba? I have done about a week worth of fishing there and it seems the same as normal except the prices seem to have gone up across the board. Looks like I will be avoiding the tourist type places thanks for the report.
My understanding is that the insurance must be bought from Ukrainian provider?Unlikely, and if so, buy both, just know that the local is worthless, and in any serious case one needs to be out of the local underfunded hospital as fast as possible.
Member #4722
07-02-21, 05:10
My friend who works at Caribbean Club confirmed the city is crawling with Arabs right now. She said they aren't wild like the Turkish and the majority are just normal tourists. She also gave me some disturbing news about Caribbean. She says they are serving everyone super cheap vodka in all drinks, even ones that normally contain rum. She advised me to drink beer only and said the club is filled with drunk "zombies" the the end of the night. Looks like I'm avoiding the tourist traps for my upcoming trip but will probably pop my head in Caribbean to see if there's any new talent.
A friend of mine is preparing a bachelor party for friends, he said me to check the small stripclub in the outside of arena center, looking to baseina, it was called gold nosorog when I showed him 3 years ago, later closed, and now with a different name called "secret bar", we were over 24 00 and still closed, a bit disappointing, I offered him to go to podil nosorog, as is big and few people usually, then perfect for bachelor party, but he disliked the only time he was there, then I drove him to mint nosorog, small place but with good behavior from girls, very kind, is one of my favorite places, some girls are veterans and know how to behave, another are beguiners and lack some practice, but all ok, 600 uah for private dance.
Next weeks I will explore more stripclubs in city, if someone wants to share a drink just PM me.
DramaFree11
07-02-21, 12:06
SA girls in Kiev laugh and block me when I offer 5000 ($200).
Some scammers on Mamba, don't bother.
My driver took me to 3 apartments last night, girls don't even bother to stand up, no heels, lazy girls.
No matches at all on tinder this time.
The city is packed with horny tourists, cheap RyanAir flights. I guess other countries aren't open yet and Belarus cancelled flights, so here we go.
The big open area club / bar in Arena last night had to have 1 to 10 ratio. Gross.Nice report. Thank you.
Hi.
Anyone found local sites for Sugardating in ukrain?
I know all the international, but thinking there must be some local ones?
I was to star nosorog, in Maksyma kryvonosa 27, deposit for entrance is now 1.000 grivna, concierge said me they raised price 2 months ago, bye bye then.
I changed plan and was to tootsie, close to Rio, entrance is 500 uah, but no drinks included, lot of cute girls, but mostly so cold, did a private dance to a pretty redhead, I will come back.
Hi guys,
Going to Kiev in a couple of weeks. 29 years old.
My Hotel is Senator Maiden.
Worked a lot this spring so this weekend is all about me.
The first full day I have booked a hot guide, many many reviews so hopefully not a Golddigger.
She will show me the city for a couple of hours and then some nice caviar and Vodka. Booked a table through a local friend so not a scam. Good company in the early evening I think and then I will probably go out by myself to the clubs.
Which club / Bar should I go to? What you wear is really important so I think I will go business and my 10 k€ watch. Just want to talk and share drinks with nice girls. Then we will see what happens. Will carefully mention "support" if the situation pops up.
Will probably end up at the strip clubs. Also thinking about BarBi, something different and kinky. Maybe someone can recommend something similar?
How does it work with Erotic massage? Can I just go there and choose the girl I want?
Will they stand up on a line or how does it work? And which one should I go to?
Just hit me with tips what I should do. I will of course report everything here, every day!
I will be doing a short overnight transit between flights in Kiev. I have read the thread back a few pages. In Moscow the stripe club I visited a few years ago had rooms downstairs so you could chose a girl and fuck her. Are the stripe clubs in Kiev just look, private dance and touch only? I'm not into the tinder stuff as prefer to meet a girl in person and I enjoy the bar and club scene. Which bars or clubs are the best for freelance hookers?
Raj Chopra1976
07-04-21, 15:20
Hi,
Anybody suggest me best girls online in Ukraine or Russia. Going to visit soon.
Your help would be appreciated.
Raj.
Ivan Buyan
07-05-21, 09:01
Hi,
Anybody suggest me best girls online in Ukraine or Russia. Going to visit soon.
Your help would be appreciated.
Raj.Hey Raj,
If you are not tight on the budget then I would suggest you OMG bot for Kyiv and Moscow (ohmygirls. Agency) or if you are a Telegram user then search for at omgpbot.
They have premium escort girls, though some of them are over priced but as always some GEMs may be found.
If you prefer old school sites where you can choose all kinds of variants, then I offer you intimcity. NL for Moscow - 20 years old reputable site where some basic Russian will be needed to make good choices-.
Unlikely, and if so, buy both, just know that the local is worthless, and in any serious case one needs to be out of the local underfunded hospital as fast as possible.
A follow-up on this insurance topic.
The insurance company does not have to be from Ukraine but has to have an office in Ukraine, I was told.
On the site "https://visitukraine.today/" these insurance companies cover covid-related issues ONLY, unless you buy the policy that covers up to 30,000 Euros, which is also indicated on the site.
But dealing with these Ukrainian companies could get difficult, so I have bought insurances from both this site (for the entry requirements) and from my regular company (for all health issues including covid), which I anticipated to do from the beginning, even though I'm NOT SUPPOSED TO get in any serious case, as I am fully vaccinated with Pfizer.
If you are not tight on the budget then I would suggest you OMG bot for Kyiv and Moscow (ohmygirls. Agency) or if you are a Telegram user then search for at omgpbot.
They have premium escort girls, though some of them are over priced but as always some GEMs may be found.
I got to ask:
Are you in any way connected to this OMG? You are the only member on this thread who has recommended it. Since your first post. And again and again after that. After three months of your first post you stated that you are a loyal customer who gets invitations to "secret parties".
Now, maybe this is true, all that you say. But it kinda sounds fishy. Would you care to elaborate your relationship with OMG? But of course only if you want to.
A follow-up on this insurance topic.
The insurance company does not have to be from Ukraine but has to have an office in Ukraine, I was told.
On the site "https://visitukraine.today/" these insurance companies cover covid-related issues ONLY, unless you buy the policy that covers up to 30,000 Euros, which is also indicated on the site.
But dealing with these Ukrainian companies could get difficult, so I have bought insurances from both this site (for the entry requirements) and from my regular company (for all health issues including covid), which I anticipated to do from the beginning, even though I'm NOT SUPPOSED TO get in any serious case, as I am fully vaccinated with Pfizer.100% mark for Sorbonne. That is the right way.
Ivan Buyan
07-06-21, 09:15
I got to ask:
Are you in any way connected to this OMG? You are the only member on this thread who has recommended it. Since your first post. And again and again after that. After three months of your first post you stated that you are a loyal customer who gets invitations to "secret parties".
Now, maybe this is true, all that you say. But it kinda sounds fishy. Would you care to elaborate your relationship with OMG? But of course only if you want to.Hey Desin,
Yes, I am one of OMG models pretending to be a guy to rip you guys off.
I am a loyal fan of them and all that I say is true. If admins think I advertise them too much, then I don't mind my posts being deleted.
I really like the idea behind this service but I won't be talking about it much, not to look like I am a brand ambassador.
If anyone thinks that business that is illegal by default in Ukraine may be fishy, then, please, never use OMG or any other web site with hookers.
P.S. If you want to visit their next secret party, ask their support. I know there will be one in Summer.
What scams did you encounter on Mamba? I have done about a week worth of fishing there and it seems the same as normal except the prices seem to have gone up across the board. Looks like I will be avoiding the tourist type places thanks for the report.Majority of scams is a girl invites you to a bar of her choice. Once when I refused and offered 3 K for a meet, she laughed and said she makes 10 K a day from bar fees. For these girls 100-300 dollars is nothing, they have ways to make more from tourists in other ways. Kiev central is a sex shop, beware.
So I thought maybe I should leave my AirBnb in Kiev each time with the girl, so if anyone paid notice, it could seem more like we just were on a date and went to fuck inside. Because if there will be a girl visiting 10 times, maybe someone might say something to the owner? Every AirBnB I use, I am quite sure the owner knows I am there to fuck women. Although not an AirBnB, there are reception girls at both the Royal City Hotel and the Ibis City Center that know me by name and they sometimes see me bring 2-3 girls past their desk in one day. If you are a lone male in Kyiv, everybody knows why you are here. They are renting the places to make money. They don't care if you are using it to fuck.
I really like the idea behind this service
I, too, like the idea of the concept. Yet since they collect their cut from the act of connecting you to the person in question, there's no responsibility for the availability of the service. And since the cut is rather large %, it's kinda fishy.
But hey, since you know the users (the girls) in the service, what can you say about the quality of the girls in Kiev? If one isn't paid member, there's only certain girls you can see. Are there lots of girls from Kiev? Are there lot of quality (girl next door') girls in the 120 dollar category?
Ivan Buyan
07-08-21, 10:40
I, too, like the idea of the concept. Yet since they collect their cut from the act of connecting you to the person in question, there's no responsibility for the availability of the service. And since the cut is rather large %, it's kinda fishy.
But hey, since you know the users (the girls) in the service, what can you say about the quality of the girls in Kiev? If one isn't paid member, there's only certain girls you can see. Are there lots of girls from Kiev? Are there lot of quality (girl next door') girls in the 120 dollar category?Hey Desin,
So yeah, they do collect their cut from selling contacts but in order for me to have any cut from this, I would have to post my referral link here which I don't do as you can see.
As for Kyiv girls. The quality of most of them is I would say "premium" (currently there are around 250 girls from Kyiv there) but there are few BUTs:
1) Price. There's nothing below 200-300 dollar in Kyiv that is why I suggest inviting girls from other cities to Kyiv.
2) Its more about GFE than traditional "prostitution". It means. Be ready to spend some money on the restaurant since this is more about escort girls than "traditional" hookers.
Current situation. Most girls I bought contacts of in early spring or met during parties are "busy" these days and are not ready to drop prices in summer time (than to Saudi guys and high season). Before I had 3 girls that I met more than once who did not mind to lower the price after the first "meeting".
PhotoSlider
07-09-21, 06:37
Every AirBnB I use, I am quite sure the owner knows I am there to fuck women. Although not an AirBnB, there are reception girls at both the Royal City Hotel and the Ibis City Center that know me by name and they sometimes see me bring 2-3 girls past their desk in one day. If you are a lone male in Kyiv, everybody knows why you are here. They are renting the places to make money. They don't care if you are using it to fuck.Precisely as Yummy says.
Few more comments:
My AirBnB landlady saw me with different girl each time she was on-site. Sometimes she was there for cleaning, sometimes I asked her to fix certain things, even the broken bed, that gave way in the middle of action with one of the beauties)) Landlady was in her early 30's herself, always happy, even praised the appearance of my female partners and myself. And I made it a point to politely introduce my girls to her:
- Here is Elena / Natalia / Kira / Anna / Zhanna / Polina.
Landlady even made arrangements after my departure to return the "fuck-me-shoes" to the owner, - those stilettos high heels that one of the girls left behind. Girls do that in Kiev to mark territory and visit again.
At the other AirBnB it was landlady's husband cleaning and changing bed linens every 3-4 days, and seeing different girls. I try not to keep my girls longer than 3 days. He didn't flinch ever, until once I was in-between the regulars. That's when he raised the brow and gracefully asked:
- Why are you in such a splendid isolation today?
I am also polite with hired maids that came to mop the floors and do my laundry. Some were attractive enough, and I gave decent tips, and invited them to have the tea together. But I never ever hit either on them or on landladies. That's a taboo at AirBnB. You don't want to get the complaint write-up, and then get banned.
So, throw away your western prejudice. You are expected to have girls in Kiev. Age gap doesn't matter. How many a day doesn't matter. Time of the day or night doesn't matter. Babushkas guarding the entrance to your apartment building do not matter, as long as you show good manners, and do not make too much noise. Some groans and exclamations coming from your open windows or balcony door are almost a must.
Best of luck!
That week I was to 007 stripclub in podil, girls are nice, but disliked some aspects in this place, kinda bad atmosphera between people there, I will not come back.
Then I was to podil nosorog, but is closed, it was so sad for me because is the first stripclub I was in that city, and I remember lot of funny nights there, last time I was, in 2019, it was s shadow of what it was before, I don't think that they will reopen after covid, so sad.
Also to mint nosorog, in palats ukraina, this place never disappoints me, lot of fun with pretty girls, spent lot of money there.
Next week will try harem, 2.000 uah of deposit is that I don't like, but at least I can use it in private dances, I also will repeat to tootsies, as I got so funny time there 2 weeks ago.
Most girls on "relaxkiev.com" look fine. But are the offers reliable? Can you expect that the girls will respond to a call, look like their photos and provide the offered services?
Would be great, if you could share your experience!
PhotoSlider
07-11-21, 02:52
A member of this Forum asked for an advice. I decided to share my opinion here without mentioning his name, as IMHO situation is rather typical.
He met a girl in a certain city, liked her, left that city, missed her so much, then flew her out to a nearby city to meet again. And now is considering taking her on a trip in December to yet another location, but has concerns.
My thoughts are as follows:
Let's say we are talking about Kiev, Barcelona, Pattaya, German FKKs, or any other well known mongering destination. I think of those as The Disney World with lots of exciting rides. Some of them I like a lot, and may ride a few times on the same day. Some have long waiting lines. Some are too scary, and some might be too boring to my refined taste.
Would I ever wake up in the morning, and at the entrance to Epcot declare that I commit to get excited again and again and again on one and only ride time after time? No effing way! As great as it might be, I need variety. Besides, this ride may break, or require maintenance. Of course administration will give me a voucher and ask to come another day at my leisure, but fuck this shit! I prefer freedom and flexibility.
Same with girls. Foul mood may strike her. Or unexpectedly her period starts upon her arrival to your 7 day paradise together turning to hell. And then what do you do? Kick her out? Change all of your reservations? Start looking for a substitute?
Too much risk, even with reliable girls.
It is one thing to be on the business trip in the country lacking mongering infrastructure, and invite a woman that you know for years, the one that values your trust, and will not attempt to misbehave.
It is completely different to invite a new acquaintance.
If the destination has other girls readily available, then why lock yourself up?
Likewise, if I can go to Kiev, and fuck 2 or 3 girls every day, or spend quality time with my regulars, then why should they be placed in the position of potentially leveraging more control over me, and making me less satisfied?
If she is that unique, and you want to marry her, or whatever, then go ahead. BTW, read that BBC report that Kozerog posted about a week ago. Otherwise, whenever in doubt, or hurting, or feeling jealous, or betrayed, - find another girl, and fuck her gently. Then rinse, repeat, and so on.
CheckItOut1337
07-11-21, 14:25
What is everyone's experience with girls that contact you on Tinder and offer a visit in exchange for a small present? It didn't take long after I set my location to Kiev and I a few girls trying to get into my hotel room. I will be in Kiev in early September. The plan is to set up some meetings with real girls and see how it goes. If this falls through I wouldn't mind having a backup plan that includes pros. Would not mind a recommendation or two.
Most girls on "relaxkiev.com" look fine. But are the offers reliable? Can you expect that the girls will respond to a call, look like their photos and provide the offered services?
Would be great, if you could share your experience!LOL. 99% of the pics look fake.
I won't trust no one of them.
I prefer freedom and flexibility.
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Otherwise, whenever in doubt, or hurting, or feeling jealous, or betrayed, - find another girl, and fuck her gently. Then rinse, repeat, and so on.I would note that these things I quoted are matters of character. Even as I, too, value freedom above everything else, that is not the case with most of the people. So my solutions to situations might well suit people like me, but they might be the wrong ones for other kind of people. Some prefer to experience and confront their emotional states and live through them, others wish to escape them no matter how they are able to do it. (this is why we have non-biological addictions and compulsive behavior).
Thus, a girl who is already tested in situations (in bed and company), could be that special gem you'll have good time with even on your travels. If this is what you have wished for, to find a girl to travel with, then why not take the chance and see how it goes? It's risky, but so it always is. We are people dealing with other people.
PhotoSlider
07-12-21, 03:06
I would note that these things I quoted are matters of character. Even as I, too, value freedom above everything else, that is not the case with most of the people. So my solutions to situations might well suit people like me, but they might be the wrong ones for other kind of people. Some prefer to experience and confront their emotional states and live through them, others wish to escape them no matter how they are able to do it. (this is why we have non-biological addictions and compulsive behavior).
Thus, a girl who is already tested in situations (in bed and company), could be that special gem you'll have good time with even on your travels. If this is what you have wished for, to find a girl to travel with, then why not take the chance and see how it goes? It's risky, but so it always is. We are people dealing with other people.Solid mature reasoning. Agree with your concise write-up.
There are however some assumptions that may lead to failure.
1. Is the travel truly justified? He decides. And may end up hurt. Or happy beyond any dreams.
2. "A girl who is already tested in situations" may evolve over time, and behave differently. I have seen that even in Kiev, and dealt with evasive maneuvers swiftly, but not necessarily in a rude way.
Another friend of mine had to straighten out females traveling with him, those girls that perceived the planned interaction as a one-way road. Most of the time straightening out works. Yet still I prefer to avoid any possibility of confronting the girl, explaining her responsibilities, and then assessing her performance level. I'd rather politely walk over to another young female smiling to me and gladly saying "Hi".
I do not mind that it may take time to seduce the girl, to teach her something new, to overcome her reservations in certain matters of sex. But I do not want to be treated as a provider to one-and-only Princess, that thinks too much of herself. Therefore, I prefer to travel with sufficient mongering options.
The gentleman that requested advice initially, travels to the destination where there's no mongering infrastructure. He travels for pleasure, not for business. However, girl should entertain him, not vise versa. Let's be frank, this is not a courtship with the promise of an eternal happiness. He met her in P4P environment. This is business. He pays, she complies. Sure, the game is more complicated than that, and there are few layers of skillful play added over the base, and skillful actress will create make-believe appearance of a dream for her man. Still in my eyes, fundamentally it is business.
Some like overcoming difficulties, some prefer to calculate and avoid even the smallest hint of misfortune. Some even prefer to go full force into the trap, like that English idiot in BBC report about Odessa, and get excited along the way by being abused, and then come here on Forum and troll. You are not one of those, Desin. And I personally know gentlemen that mostly succeeded traveling with girls. However, tastes differ, and every person decides himself how to spend his time and resources. Therefore, I agree with you, but it doesn't apply to me.
I get bored after no more than 3 days, and need a change of guard. In Kiev it is easy to do.
A member of this Forum asked for an advice. I decided to share my opinion here without mentioning his name, as IMHO situation is rather typical.
He met a girl in a certain city, liked her, left that city, missed her so much, then flew her out to a nearby city to meet again. And now is considering taking her on a trip in December to yet another location, but has concerns.
My thoughts are as follows:
Let's say we are talking about Kiev, Barcelona, Pattaya, German FKKs, or any other well known mongering destination. I think of those as The Disney World with lots of exciting rides. Some of them I like a lot, and may ride a few times on the same day. Some have long waiting lines. Some are too scary, and some might be too boring to my refined taste.
Would I ever wake up in the morning, and at the entrance to Epcot declare that I commit to get excited again and again and again on one and only ride time after time? No effing way! As great as it might be, I need variety. Besides, this ride may break, or require maintenance. Of course administration will give me a voucher and ask to come another day at my leisure, but fuck this shit! I prefer freedom and flexibility..If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.
I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.
(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).
For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question. And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.
I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made her girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.
PhotoSlider
07-12-21, 21:52
If a girl has period then you fuck her mouth or ass.Sounds like a simple solution for that predicament.
Would you offer an equally smooth recommendation for those of us that like and very much require 69 and DATY, but stay away from rimming? You know, nothing against practicing the latter, just a matter of personal taste.
PhotoSlider
07-12-21, 22:30
I'm very easily bored as well, both with people in general but also in sex. The way to keep regulars for me is to see them once a month. I also kinda hope that I would find a girl that would be that 'Princess' (although not one and only in sexual matters, but on attention-wise) for me. This will require certain kind of personality: a girl who is not acting to please me, but who pleases me by being herself. But it requires her to be the kind of girl who longs and lusts endlessly my attention and admiration. This way she will be very charming without actually faking it. I mean that she is not 'faking it', because this is her regular way of being in relation to men. To gain their attention.Perfectly said. Being genuinely sincere is a must for any girl that shows the potential for becoming a candidate that you, Desin, would see once a month.
For me it's 3 days long for each regular on average. 4 to 6 regulars and then multiple hourly girls for my modus operandi)).
(I have this kind of a young woman in my life and it's very invigorating, even without fucking. I'd like to find the same kind of girl, but with added sex and money to the schema).
For me, money is the intermediator which keeps unnecessarily deep emotional attachment in bay with my relationship to the girl in question.Agree. In my case money ensures that I have no regrets dismissing the objects of my admiration, or calling them up again. I learned from another great ISG Forum member that these beautiful young females are neither my SOs, nor GFs. And they gladly run back when I need them, because I treat them with respect, but try not to request anything in terms of "unnecessarily deep emotional attachment". Very well positioned, Desin!
And vice versa. It's hard to imagine a situation where it would be enjoyable to spend a whole day, never mind a week, with the same person without some kind of mutual emotional fondness of each other. So it might be extremely tricky (and lucky), but then again, for some it might worth it.
I appreciate Photoslider that you told the example of the guy who made his girls to know their role and expectations. Coming to think of it, this might be one of the things that could make such a longer relationship possible, because it reminds the woman that she is expected to learn his desires and fulfill them. It will give her a role to play, sort of. This can then guide her behavior and ease her own being as well: she knows her place, knows what is expected from her, and then can act accordingly. Like if there were a well-mannered party: certain things are approved, some are not, but everyone is expected to act accordingly. Anxiety and misbehavior raises when one doesn't know what is expected of her and what she can say and do, and what not. Boundaries. For servants and girls.I would certainly explain in the very beginning that there should be genuinely passionate and sensual kissing + sex before going to sleep, and when we wake up. And along the way, humorous mentoring will ensure the expectations are clear. But I can steer only so infrequently. If her mother didn't educate sufficient manners, then good-bye, next one please.
The uniqueness of great Ukrainian ladies lies in their own unquenchable desire to please their men in and out of bed. And the former they do oh so skillfully! How else would you explain to the girl what is the most convenient for you few moments before both of you have an orgasm? The best ones anticipate and make it unforgettable in the most genuine way.
Regardless of the above, I wouldn't travel with a girl. The most I would do. Hire a travel guide to show me around.
Another consideration. Traveling with a single girl is relatively more expensive, no matter how you calculate it. Hourly or per intercourse. If I travel for business, and my hotel etc is paid, then I will not be able either to dedicate adequate time to her because of work, or be productive myself in the office. And if I travel for pleasure, then why should I pay for her airfare? I should either get the local girl (s) or go to the locality where they are abundant.
Yesterday was a stripclub-night for me and rog123, first we decided to go to mint nosorog, less girls than usual, but still good vibes in the place, after some private dances we decided to move to princess, near Maidan, it was better than last time I was there (2 weeks ago) women usually a bit older than in nosorog, but some of them really hot, I got a private dance with a beautiful blonde girl then back home, rog123 stayed there until his money finished.
Ivan Buyan
07-13-21, 13:06
What is everyone's experience with girls that contact you on Tinder and offer a visit in exchange for a small present? It didn't take long after I set my location to Kiev and I a few girls trying to get into my hotel room. I will be in Kiev in early September. The plan is to set up some meetings with real girls and see how it goes. If this falls through I wouldn't mind having a backup plan that includes pros. Would not mind a recommendation or two.Hey man,
99.9% you are contacted by regular or freelance hookers and likely scammers. No way I want to scare you or say that you should avoid Kyiv but you definitely need to use common sense and know few things about Tinder game in Kyiv.
1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.
2) Never Invite a girl if you have doubts about her age.
3) Do not agree on a first date in a place offered by a tinder girl you never saw in real life.
4) Upload you real photo in Tinder. If you are approached by a girl who looks out of your league and she doesn't offer sex for money / present, then most likely you are contacted by scammers.
Few things I would add to help you avoid unnecessary time and money waste.
1) Come to Kyiv and stay alone for 2-3 days. Spend these days checking the places around your airbnb or hotel. Pick something you like with reasonable prices. Then you will know where to invite a girl on your conditions.
2) If you want just sex for money and don't want to choose with your eyes, then visit few strip clubs, show that you have money but don't be tooo generous not to look like a money bag and ask a security guy about taking girls to your place. Most strip clubs have dancers that don't mind making extra cash by prostitution.
3) don't get too drunk.
4) don't buy drugs from people you don't know even if hookers ask you about this. Chances are they will try to sell you some shit like its pure coke. Remember that all drugs (even weed) is illegal in Ukraine.
5) Use UBER.
6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).
Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!
Member #4722
07-14-21, 15:53
Just finished my first week here. Two more to go. To the last guy that posted: 99.9% People exaggerate so much here and people take it as the truth.
Arrived with plans to have a drink at O'Brien's and watch a bit of the Euro match then go to sleep after 24 hours travel. I flirted with a few girls there and had a couple shots of Jameson then sleeping went out the window. I decided to go to Caribbean Club. It was very slow on Tuesday. Three ladies I had a lot of drama with in the past were there and that was awkward! It's a lot of the same girls there from my past visits and somewhat depressing. A new girl with pretty face told me it's $300 to take her back. I'm a confident guy and I told her I'll never pay more than 100. My friend that works there said everyone is asking for more money now. Flirted a bit with a tall hot civilian. That was nice. I wasn't planning on taking anyone back but at the end of the night myself and an older woman with huge breasts were the last ones leaving. I wanted to titty fuck her and asked if she would take 100 and off we went. Being not that hot, she was into me and I was able to do anything I wanted with her for three hours. Not the hottest woman but money well spent.
Met with one of my regulars. OK face great body. $100 for nice sex and then we spent the day together as good friends.
Met a girl Tori from Mamba. She has been there awhile. Very nice body but very business like. She was on period but offered me BBBJ and CIM for 1500 and that was what I was in the mood for.
Last night met a new girl off mamba. This one was a little more expensive $200 for three hours. She was older than her pics but petite and pretty hot. She was into me more than I with her, and she stayed 6 hours and I eventually had to tell her I'm tired. She was also down for anything and pretty sure she would have done BBFS. Won't repeat only because of price.
Tonight I have an emo / goth girl coming for 1200 UAH. I'm into that look and for like $40 no loss if she is no good. I have some interesting contacts set up from mamba all in the $100 range, including a young one I have a nice romantic connection with already.
It's hot as heck here now and the ladies are looking great with minimal clothing. Having a piva at outdoor cafe while writing this report, watching them all walk by!
Member #4722
07-14-21, 18:33
The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.
1) Never invite a girl you never saw in real live to your hotel / apartment in Kyiv.
6) don't accept girls' invitations to continue party in some cool places in the middle of nowhere (either its her apartment or some cool night club in Kyiv suburbs).
Hope you enjoy your stay in Kyiv!1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?
6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?
The goth girl just left. She was actually really cute was pretty boring. She was tiny girl 21 probably under 100 pounds. It's funny because she stays in the same building as me in a dorm and she is one floor up from my apartment. I had some good weed and she likes to smoke so after our session she was smoking all my weed and had to tell her to leave. If she gave good service I would repeat for sure at 1200 but she was boring.Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.
Member #4722
07-15-21, 09:51
Blue short hair? I'm asking if this happens to be the same girl I'm going to meet as my first one.I think her hair color is kind of different than her profile but that's probably her.
CallSignRomeo
07-15-21, 16:30
1 - Why is this? Because she can have fake pics and create you problems if you refuse to oay her?
6 - why this? Because those places can be a trap with thieves who will steal your money?Ivan has given some good advice, there is always possibility of getting robbed by accomplices of the girl in any country of the world including Ukraine.
Member #4722
07-15-21, 19:07
Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba. Tall blonde. For me she was a 7.5. Had fake pictures on mamba but sent me real pics via WhatsApp. She's in her early 20's and has a child. Says she got fat after kid but ditched her deadbeat ex and got a revenge body going. Great legs, amazing breasts and bubble butt + amazing face. 2500 + taxi and she let slip that she drove herself but I didn't complain about the extra 250. She said no kissing but we started kissing a lot during sex. She said no DATY but agreed she would on next visit. Covered blow job but very enthusiastic.
I will share this contact with only a couple good friends on this board so don't bother asking.
Getting back into the swing of things here on the forum (and one of the best borards of the forum I might add), just prepping for my upcoming stay in the jewel city of Kiev. I wanted to talk on a couple of topics that I see keep coming up in one form or another.
The first thing I want to talk about is the clandestine lesbian team. These are girls who hang out at clubs and pose as though they are with a friend of theirs, but what guys don't immediately realize is that they are more than just friends, they are actually life partners. There will be the "wife" and the pretty one. The latter is used to bait the guy in, but the former is usually quietly effing up in ways that cost the guy money he didn't want to spend. An example would be waiting for the guy to use the restroom to order expensive drinks for the table the guy may or may not have cash on hand to pay for, causing a situation where the group may be in a bind. Then the wife pops off about the guy's "duty" or whatever. Another is when they want to go to your place, but want to stop off at a store first. The wife of the duo will start shopping for a bunch of stuff and try pawning the guy off at the cashier to pay for it all. The rendezvous ends up at the guy's place, but a happy ending is all that they offer because ultimately they are for eachother. But the guy finds that out the hard way. They may not be bad people necessarily, but just understand that as much as the pretty one sells the idea that she is available to the guy (by context clues including any direct communication, etc), she never will be. It aint going to happen. They only come as a duo, by any means they will always find a way to exploit an extra cost, but at best a happy ending is all the guy is ever going to get. The guy will be made to waste time and resources in the meantime. This is how the duo gets by in life. The twist in all of this is that the wife is actually squandering the pretty one's life away in silly BS, but the pretty one won't realize it until it is too late.
The second thing I want to talk about is proper form. I am only learning this one through experience and am grateful to all those who are versed in ukrainian culture, who grace me with their friendship. These adventures teach me I am merely a student in this life. This culture has its particular protocols (which makes me love it more). I'll give an example of what I mean, so last time I was there (and I didn't report this), the oddest thing, out of nowhere I got lucky. I won't get into it (right now) but basically a girl at my hangout bar wanted to spend the night with me. As I explained to my driver / confidant, maybe the universe gave me "frequent flyer" credit or something? There was no compensation involved. Hell, I practically had to hand feed the poor thing breakfast in the morning and then slap her hand as she was trying to pay. Afterward, I asked my driver about what is the right way in such matters by ukrainian culture when the universe gives you a free one? He explained that what you do is be clandestine, "pay without paying". You tell the girl that you absolutely want to make sure she gets home safe and sound, and you put something like 300 UAH in her hand as you insist she take a cab home. Everyone knows no cab costs that much. And everyone knows she is going to take the train home and pocket the difference. But maybe she'll call you back).
It's very interesting to be in Kiev. It's impossible to understand the local's standpoint in life compared to one's own (for at least in my case) because of the difference in material abundance since childhood and because of this, I can hardly blame for the lack of morality and the incessant opportunism that some individuals resort to. It's easy to have high stantards when one doesn't have to lose anything because of them.
So, I've met one girl for sex and today I went to Dream Salon. I had booked a girl, but luckily I forgot to say it when I arrived early, so four girls came to show themselves and I was able to change (I did actually slip the name, so I made her feel bad probably. But this "Vika" had the cutest face when she laughed, it was a moment of emotional sincerity and since I try to choose girls based how honest and kind they appear to be, she was the girl to go to. It was my first time in such a massage, so at first I could ejaculate, it was weird. But then she tried a different approach, slow jerking off while lying next to me, head next to mine. And then I realized to use my imagination, instead of only focusing on bodily sensations. That got me over the edge.
I don't know how you are supposed to cum multiple times, because first half of the one hour massage (1500 +200 tip) you are on your stomach. Her English wasn't so good that I would ask if she would have jerked me off almost right at the start, so I could have had two times. But it was better this way, one big one.
Couple of girls I had established contact before arriving are not in Kiev now, so there went a lot of hours. Another two that I had a semi-good feeling seem to have kind of an attitude or personality that I don't find appealing. So at this moment, I have one pre-established contact that I'm looking forward to, and I'm trying Tinder. I have high hopes for a girl I found there, we'll meet up for a drink first. I think I'll keep 3000 as maximum price for first meeting, but the target price for subsequent hour-long meetings would be near 2000. That way I wouldn't think about money whenever I got the feeling for fucking.
There's a shitload of 18-23 year old Instagram girls in Tinder, collecting followers from older men. Also, I noticed an interesting manouver from a young lady in the center. One who had both the ass and the pants to make it noticeable. She was casually using her phone when I noticed her, as I walked past her. Little bit later she caught up with me and passed me, changed her walking line to directly in front of me, and at the next crosswalk, when the lights were red, she stopped, turned around and again focused on her phone. She dodn't make eye contanct, but at this point my intuition, which had first woken up by her way of making sure I see how amazing her thight ass is, came to alertness. Only as I passed by her did she make a very fast head movement to look at me, like she had been aware of me instead of focusing on her phone. This made me think was sge looking for someone to pay the settings for her Saturday night Instagram-pictures.
I don't know why a girl would look for a paying sponsor (for sex) from the streets, since there's all these apps. And I'm not confident enough to believe that she just likes older men and tried to get my attention to ask her number. Have you guys had similar exoeriences, or heard of such behavior?
It's very interesting to be in Kiev. It's impossible to understand the local's standpoint in life compared to one's own (for at least in my case) because of the difference in material abundance since childhood and because of this, I can hardly blame for the lack of morality and the incessant opportunism that some individuals resort to. It's easy to have high stantards when one doesn't have to lose anything because of them.
I don't know why a girl would look for a paying sponsor (for sex) from the streets, since there's all these apps. And I'm not confident enough to believe that she just likes older men and tried to get my attention to ask her number. Have you guys had similar exoeriences, or heard of such behavior?I would say its 50/50 that's she was looking if there was a contact from you in this case.
I also had similiar things happening where the girl catch you and suddenly look at you and then look away.
My advice is to ask the girl for direction to somewhere.
Maybe you looking for some place, could be a bank, shop or so.
So just ask if she know your on the right path.
If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.
There is nothing to loose.
PhotoSlider
07-18-21, 20:54
I would say its 50/50 that's she was looking if there was a contact from you in this case.
I also had similiar things happening where the girl catch you and suddenly look at you and then look away.
My advice is to ask the girl for direction to somewhere.
Maybe you looking for some place, could be a bank, shop or so.
So just ask if she know your on the right path.
If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.
There is nothing to loose.Solid advice. She will not frown on you, as obviously she showed the interest. Even if she didn't. Practice your street skills. At least 1 out of 20 girls that grabbed your attention visually will respond and then lots of good can happen.
You may ask for coffee instead of a drink, and then see how it develops. Ask her if she knows a good place to have a coffee, and maybe a bite to eat. Be friendly, confident, but not arrogant / obnoxious. When she explains, ask if she can show something on her way, and as you get closer there, ask if she wants to join you for a few minutes. 50/50 indeed.
There are hundreds of beautiful scantily clad in this hot weather girls strolling the streets, riding subway, all over Kiev. People watching is my favorite. And don't worry about the age difference, do not overthink, - act. Wish I was there!
Member #4722
07-18-21, 21:52
Just had a date with Zara from Mamba. Date was so-so. Her pictures portrayed a tan middle eastern looking Barbie doll with big tits. She showed up looking more natural and was much prettier than her pics. She was tired from a day at the beach and almost canceled our 24:00 meeting. But we moved it up to 23:00 so all was good. $150 + taxi which was supposed to be for a couple hours, but she left after an hour and I was ok with it because there wasn't great chemistry.
She was really beautiful though. For me, 7 face and 8 body. Slim waist with perky large breasts and great bubble butt. Amazing legs. She takes care of herself. I don't know what's gotten into me but I'm obsessed with titty fucking the last couple weeks. Rubbed some baby oil on her ass and tits and she gave me very nice tit fuck. I haven't hooked up in a couple days and was real close to losing it so moved on. She gave me CBJ with deepthroat. Would have spent more time there but with condom it gets boring. Gave her DATY she was very responsive and came in 5 minutes. Her pussy was a work of art. Went through 4-5 positions until I was finished and she was out the door. She said no to kissing and gave covid as an excuse and I tried anyways with no luck. Would repeat if she was more open because she was hot but with the restrictions I will not repeat.
PhotoSlider
07-18-21, 23:43
The first thing I want to talk about is the clandestine lesbian team.These two-girl teams do not have to be lesbian at all. As long as this business model makes sense, they will do it. With, or more often without providing sex to their victims, or having sex between them two. The whole point is to make money, and to gain emotional satisfaction by dominating their male counterpart.
IMO, chances are significantly higher while targeting single girls. They seem less restrained. No competition between them, and no unnecessary shyness.
An as far as passing the payment to civilians without hurting their feelings. I put the envelope in the purse, either while the girl sees me doing it, or while she takes the exit shower. Envelope, not cash. They always write back grateful and happy. That's BTW is another criteria. Hardened pro would never leave her personal things out of her reach while taking shower before or after sex. Civilians do. But I do not browse in their stuff.
Never ever had anybody objecting.
The key is agreeing upon the mutually acceptable payment level in the beginning, and then not return to ever discussing it.
If the girl asks for more, that means that I didn't feel like taking her shopping, or didn't entertain her enough, and probably she wasn't that great. It means both of us are not fully satisfied, meaning business is not good. Forcing her to be better is no fun. Besides, explaining to Ukrainian woman "what her place is" may backfire, they value their freedom.
When the girl asks for more through Viber or Telegram after our meeting, I typically ignore, and she leaves on her own, our meetings come to an end.
I had some very rare breed of girls in Kiev and Costa Rica that didn't allow me to spend too much on them. Those are the keepers.
Other than that, the key with Ukrainians is to "help", not to "pay". With good ones I take it even higher. I identify what they truly need, - not want but need. And make sure they do not waste my money on stupid shit, like Apple Airpods, or drinking with her girls, smoking iQos, etc. It can be as simple as shoes. 80-150 dollars at Ocean Plaza will go a long way, she will walk in those, and think of you. Some of us, mongers will not have time for this. I enjoy it. Especially taking my young partners out for lingerie shopping. So much fun taking their measurements, sometimes even discovering that my 20 years old didn't realize her bra went one size up, and her eyes lit up so proud at this special moment!
PhotoSlider
07-18-21, 23:46
Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba.Rog,
You rock!
Some of us like assured quality delivery, stability in reliable partner. I do too. And yet, going to sleep, thinking that 24 hours ago I had no idea what this day that just ended would bring me, nothing can be better.
Raising a glass of champagne to all my friends currently in Kiev!
Took a premium membership to see what range of girls they offer.
Below are my strong but personal opinion. Mileage MayVary.
There whole business model makes sense in cities where girls contact is absolutely difficult to dig. The range of girls for standard price are average at best even in the photoshoot type setup pics.
There are girls everywhere in Kiev. Tens of famous bars, strip clubs, massage parlours, Showaround girls, brokers and agencies, and on the street sometimes for crying out loud who are dying to make you contact a girl. I would not pay extra for contact in Kiev as this is resources are in abundance at least for me. I would rather go to strip clubs and take a girl home after some fun at club.
Ohmy girls is not for me. 100% not paying for contacts.
Member #4722
07-19-21, 19:09
Just had a date with Katrin from Mamba. 2500 for an hour. She was high on my list but we lost communication but I tried again and she agreed to come over. She has a girl next door look in pictures and looks tall and athletic. In person she had pretty face but she was a little fat. But she had huge DD tits so I bring out the oil for some titty sex. CBJ but she was open to directions and she went so deep she had tears running down her face. Did DATY. She said she liked it but if she came she was silent. Did a couple positions and finished and she was out the door. Wasn't attracted to her so no repeat for me, even though it was a fun time.
Just bought a 10 day trip to Kiev and then started to RTFF (((
All I see is scams everywhere. Expensive clubs, I mean 2 or 3k deposit, 800+ for a dance who needs it if you can't fuck?
Salons are massage / happy ending only. What's the point of you can't fuck?
All the escort sites are bait and switch, heavily photoshopped, nice girls are 3-4k!
Bad service mentioned in some reports.
Fuck that. Feel so stupid ((( Probably sounding like a cheapskate since I spend much more on girls in Western Europe. But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!
Fellows please put me out of my misery. I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me).
Any clubs where you can take to a room (for sex not just a dance)? Or even take out for around 3 k?
Is this doable for a first timer in Kiev?
Thanks fellows )
Member #4722
07-20-21, 03:32
Just bought a 10 day trip to Kiev and then started to RTFF (((
All I see is scams everywhere. Expensive clubs, I mean 2 or 3k deposit, 800+ for a dance who needs it if you can't fuck?
Salons are massage / happy ending only. What's the point of you can't fuck?
All the escort sites are bait and switch, heavily photoshopped, nice girls are 3-4k!
Bad service mentioned in some reports.
Fuck that. Feel so stupid ((( Probably sounding like a cheapskate since I spend much more on girls in Western Europe. But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!
Fellows please put me out of my misery. I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me). Kiev is more of a long term game but I had fun on my first trip for only 8 days. It's getting more difficult every year. As you can see by my reports I've had a mix of bad and good. Some of the naysayers here that are the loudest have an agenda. You can look at my past reports for my Mamba dating system that has worked well for me. But four years ago it was 80% hotties and now a mixed bag. Everyone should come here to try it out. Most that visit want to come back.
I am looking for outcalls or incalls where there is a decent lineup to choose from (around 2 k Hryvna for hour with a grade 7 ok with me)I can give you some pointers:
1) Get on Telegram, and use Google Translate.
2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.
Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.
Is this doable for a first timer in Kiev?
Yes.
Member #4722
07-20-21, 15:27
Kiev is more of a long term game but I had fun on my first trip for only 8 days. It's getting more difficult every year. As you can see by my reports I've had a mix of bad and good. Some of the naysayers here that are the loudest have an agenda. You can look at my past reports for my Mamba dating system that has worked well for me. But four years ago it was 80% hotties and now a mixed bag. Everyone should come here to try it out. Most that visit want to come back.And I will add that I am here for vacation, partying and culture, and mongering is a secondary goal. If someone is just coming for women and has a lot of time for that pursuit, I think the results will be a lot better.
As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.
https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/
I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.
Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.
Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do.
first I tried is redlight massage.
https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/
Redlight sounds good and the pricing on the site is reasonable. Do you know if BBBJ is on offer, or is it only HJ? Can you touch the girls during the HJ, and if so to what extent is it allowed?
Thanks.
CheckItOut1337
07-21-21, 15:01
I can give you some pointers:
2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.
Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.
Yes.Where do you find numbers to get in contact with any of them on Keksik? Doesn't seem to be anything there.
Member #4722
07-21-21, 17:11
Had only my second bait and switch ever on Mamba. I didn't realize it until the end of the date as she sent glamour shots and the girl was close enough. Great date! She was cute and very nice body. 3000 and I had taxi money hidden because she didn't ask but I left it on the pile because of good service. She was open and we did kissing, DATY and she gave a hot session. Her BBBJ was top level and I wanted to finish with CIM so I pushed her head down when I was ready and shot a huge load down her throat.
I guess it was an agency or the original girl I was talking to couldn't make it and called her friend. Regardless, I was happy and I got her direct number and will repeat if I have time.
I have been a week in Kiev now. I've decided to pass on the Mamba girls, whom have provided pictures where they appear to be older than in their profile pictures and / or have appeared to lack the desired attitude towards the interaction.
This decision was made right before today's supposed meeting with my to-be dream girl. Cute as hell. From Tinder. She also provided another photo in Telegram. A blonde. We were supposed to meet one day, but she ghosted. All the time she talked on going for a drink. But as she made another contact, we agreed on meeting. As I was waiting her, I recalled the lessons I had read from here. I thank you all for them.
The blonde cute girl-nextdoor fuckbunny didn't show up. Instead it was a black haired, kinda chubby girl. I suggested we walk and go to a good cocktail bar I had googled beforehand. She whined. "Why can't we just go there (pointing at an alley with no sign of a bar), I go there all the time with my friends. " I swapped my suggestion to a closer one, again from googlemap. As we came over it (it was like 100 meter walk) she wanted to stop for a smoke, wrote with her phone and then asked that she would come after few minutes, she'd just meet her friend from there (she pointed towards the building block where she wanted us to go). At this point I saw my chance to do the gentleman's bail out, told that I think this is not going to work, I'm sorry for her trouble. She took it easily. Quite very easily. She wasn't for the act.
Now I will continue to enjoy Kiev, and not bother myself too much about the play. This is wonderful city to spend holiday at truly.
If someone has legit girl-nextdoor kinda friends who like easy gigs, I'm in Discord and would be glad to have contacts. But otherwise I think I'll have better time by not trying too hard. It's a tough place.
And one more small detail: as she asked if I smoke as she was ready to get a cigarette and offer it to me, I declined. Then she switched the pack from which she took for herself. Maybe nothing, but maybe not.
NorsKing wrote that there are girls on the street making eyecontact. Just a few minutes ago I had a girl doing this to me, as we walked the same direction. I would say she looked like a teally hot instagram girl, but she was dressed the way she was, I had no interest. Too stylish to me. Belongs to Avalon and such places.
Now I'll find a place to drink and try to keep myself from writing when I'm bit drunk. I tend to get poetic.
Member #4722
07-21-21, 19:01
On Tuesday had a 3-hour date planned with the hottest lady I've met so far. Date was scheduled for 9 pm and she wasn't on WhatsApp all day and didn't answer my messages so I started to make other plans. She finally canceled 5 minutes before our date was to start. Went on mamba and quickly got a few responses. One agreed to come for $200. More than I wanted to pay but I was already ready for a date. It was raining hard on Tuesday night. She had a problem finding my location even though I gave her the correct address. This girl was stuck in the rain for 5 minutes and she was irate. Tried to calm her down but she got more bitchy. She asked why I didn't have wine even though she didn't ask for any. She never said how much she wanted for taxi so I left 200 and she was demanding 400. She was hot but I wanted to abort mission. She already had the money in hand so I just said I would give her 500 uah for taxi. Was too much I'm sure to get rid of her but I had the feeling she would pocket the $200. She grabbed the taxi money and stormed out and I immediately blocked her on all platforms.
I can give you some pointers:
1) Get on Telegram, and use Google Translate.
2) You can search for Indies in Kyiv on Keksik, google it. There are also other sites such as relaxportal and minuet.
Contact any that you like from Keksik using Telegram and do the usual research regarding services fake pics etc.
Yes.When you say "do the usual research" What research do you do for ukranian girls? Sorry to ask but I've never been to Kiev and I am planning to in the future, once I get bored with Medellin.
If she is friendly ask her if she either now or another time want a drink etc.
There is nothing to loose.When I get a green light off the street, I just ask if she's open to erotic message at my place. Anything else is likely a scam.
Erotic massage is the cheapest way to bring a lot of girls back to your place. They can lead you to real prostitutes without middlemen.
PhotoSlider
07-22-21, 03:54
When I get a green light off the street, I just ask if she's open to erotic message at my place. Anything else is likely a scam.
Erotic massage is the cheapest way to bring a lot of girls back to your place. They can lead you to real prostitutes without middlemen.This reminds me an old joke:
Two experienced mongers discuss the ways of engaging the representatives of opposite gender:
- So, what do you you usually do?
- I usually invite them for a dance. And then delicately elaborate my desires.
- How do you do that?
- I say politely, Madam, would you like to fuck please?
- Oh my god! What if she perceives it as an insult and slaps you in the face?
- Sometimes they do, you know. But sometimes it works out for the better.
PhotoSlider
07-22-21, 04:36
But I thought I was going to bloody Eastern Europe!!!Rugga,
The easiest and safest for you would be to cancel the trip.
Please forgive my candor. Kiev doesn't care what you think of it, and what your desires are. This Forum is not an Information Booth at the Airport. You have to work rather hard yourself to improve the chances. Read 50 pages back, read reports of distinction. That'll give a better idea. So far your expectations are completely unrealistic.
Read July 2021 reports by Rog123 who is on the ground in Kiev right now. They reflect the actual picture. He is happy to visit Kiev every year. He fails, then experiences the best time of his life, or maybe the best time in the last 3 days, then gets another hot girl, then fails again. And that's the way it goes. The probability of Rog123 having an overall number of happy encounters is higher because he is in Kiev for 3 weeks, longer than the typical first timer. IMO that's the shortest. Some were successful even in 3-5 days. But the latter ones should not expect the Ukrainian hotties lining up for 15 bucks a pair and ask, oh please please, give us an honor of getting fucked by you, or mighty visitor.
Rog123 has radiant joyful personality, girls tend to get attracted to him. Good and bad and great. If only he could fuck whoever deserving his attention is flying around. He went to Kiev to have a vacation, and has a great one. Girls for him are almost a byproduct.
Cut your losses now and cancel. Or work hard, after all your 10 days is not so bad. Maybe you'll get lucky. Either way, you cannot buy any assured delivery of guaranteed high quality service in Kiev, even though geographically it is indeed in Eastern Europe.
Best wishes.
MaxLou1970
07-22-21, 07:28
Gentlemen,
First thank you for all your valuable contributions I've read the past month.
Last time I was in Ukraine was in 2008 and I was expecting a lot would have changed. It has.
But reading some of the posts, I was afraid that things had changed to the worse so much that I would be terrifically disappointed.
I arrived to Lviv on July 16 and checked into a nice AirbnB with central location. Arriving in summer to the Ukraine, one can not help to be immediately charmed and feel good when observing all the beautiful women wherever one turns the head. But I knew that the Play for Pay game was not going to be as easy as it once was. I used the site keksik.net and found 2 girls for the first evening. First one was decent with good looks and decent attitude. Paid 1700 UAH for an hour which is a fair price. Second girl was very young, she said 20 years and did appeared not to enjoy the job at all. I feel bad when this happens as I suspect she may be forced by some pimp or other circumstances I do not know. Paid the same price, had sex and covered blow job and that was it for the first evening.
The next evening decided to check out Split Strip Club which had been recommended by one of the Forum Members. 250 UAH entrance and 500 UAH for a 10-15 min private dance where you get to touch but not sex. Beautiful girls with good attitude and no pushing for business.
I've never used Tinder before but as this has been recommended by some of the Forum Members, I decided to open an account and took the advise to write that I am willing to sponsor the girl I meet. I wrote in English as I'm not interested in meeting girls who don't even have a basic command of English (I speak no Ukrainian or Russian). I didn't put too much effort into the app but played around with it in order to learn how it works. There were many likes but they appeared to be more interested in dating and not for short time sex. After the second day of using Tinder, a girl told gave me her Whatsapp no and when I contacted her there she made it clear she wanted to meet for money. 3200 UAH and she would spend the night. A goddamned bargain in my opinion and she looked very hot. But when I told her I didn't live in a hotel but in an apartment, she became hesitant. Further, she lived on the border with Poland in a village a 3 hour bus ride from Lviv (good to set Tinder to search profile further out from where you are as it increases the numbers). So she recommended a friend join for the same money - 2 chicks for the night. I agreed although the pictures of her friend were not as good as of her. But I was curious to go down the Tinder Avenue and explore this source. In the end she postponed and said that it would be ok to met me alone but during the day for 2 hours the next day. I was of course a bit disappointed but agreed. Next day was raining and she cancelled explaining she was not in the mood to take the 3 hour bus in the rain but that her friend was willing to come for 2 hours at 2200 UAH. Fine, she came and gave an OK performance but nothing spectacular.
Fast forward to last evening in Lviv before flying to Kiev the next day.
I've kind of given up hope on Tinder and just decided to visit another strip Club, this time try Eros Show Bar on Rynok Sq. Not the same quality venue as Split. Here girls are pushy coming by and asking for a Private when I'm in the middle of conversation with another girl. During this I get a message on Tinder. I offer the girl to come home to my place on my last evening in Lviv. She replies that maybe I would rather pick her and a friend up from a caf. I'm out of the strip club in no time and 10 minutes later locate the girls. We step outside and one girl informs me that she is selling her friend for 3000 USD for the night. I start laughing taking it as a joke and say that I was thinking more like 3000 UAH. I notice they have both had a bit to drink but were clearly not professionals in the game. A bit of banter goes on between us when I suggest we just take a walk and discuss things. The subject is changed and we talk about other things and get a good conversation going. I offer the girls to buy some booze and for them to join me to the apartment and to my surprise they agree. Good music is played and we sit on the balcony drinking. The mood is great and after a while the "seller" of her friend goes to bed on the sofa drunk. I make my move and soon we're in my bedroom hammering away. And it became a GFE with her going the extra miles and totally wild in bed.
I mention I will travel to Kiev and stay a week (arrived to Kiev yesterday) and then continue to Odessa for the remaining 5 days of my trip. She wants to come with me to Odessa and we agree I buy her a plane ticket there. I was so happy and thrilled at this outcome that I could hardly believe my luck. After all, I'm 50 and she's 35 years old and she's hot like hell. Sorry, will not post any pics of her here.
Today was on Tinder which has now shifted my location to Kiev and there were lots of likes to sort out in order to find the ones interested in coming over to Play most probably for Pay.
Found one girl I liked and she was quick to suggest 100 EUR for 2 hours. Covered sex but uncovered blow job. No anal. Fine, she came over and just sent her home. Good service and attitude and normally I would have been quite satisfied. But after Lviv and knowing what's to be had in Odessa in a few days, I just can't quite muster the excitement. Still it was good and I'm sharing a picture she was willing to pose for on the balcony.
As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.
https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/
I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.
Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.
Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do.I went to Relax Massage last night at 11 pm, thanks to your recommendations. And it was really worth it. I've had many massages in my life, but never such a tender and wonderful one. The girls name is Nastya. She's 28 and has a perfect petite figure. I paid 1. 600 and it was worth every penny. She was naked and allowed me to touch her body. Although not inside her pussy, but that's ok. Please be kind to her!
The place is located in the backyard and a little tricky to find.
When you say "do the usual research" What research do you do for ukranian girls? Sorry to ask but I've never been to Kiev and I am planning to in the future...I do the same due diligence no matter which country the girl is from. Reverse image search, double check services offered, check the profile on multiple sites, read reviews if they can be found.
Redlight sounds good and the pricing on the site is reasonable. Do you know if BBBJ is on offer, or is it only HJ? Can you touch the girls during the HJ, and if so to what extent is it allowed?
Thanks.You can touch the girl, but no fingers inside.
Blowjob are not into the service, is just erotic massage.
Member #4722
07-23-21, 00:56
Had a nice repeat date from two years ago. This girl has an office job and I don't think she is doing much escorting so she was horny AF. Gave her the strongest O of my trip from DATY and the sex was great. We built a nice connection from our previous encounter. She is a girl next door type and she looked even hotter two years later. Everything but sex was bare and lots of GFE. Wish I was here longer as a repeat would be nice.
Met one of the legendary posters from ISG he was even cooler in person than online. I mean it, friends for life bro!
PhotoSlider
07-23-21, 02:15
You can touch the girl, but no fingers inside.
Blowjob are not into the service, is just erotic massage.Correct. Blowjob and vaginal sex will never happen on-site at any facility that positions itself as an adult / erotic massage.
The best approach is to get massage from different girls, research and assess who allows what. Some girls go only within the limits on the official menu. Some places include kisses as a separate option. And those are kisses allowed on the body, not lips. No upper (mouth), not lower (vulva). Some girls do not like their nipples kissed, etc.
I keep it simple. I do not want to have any hand job at all, because I can jerk off myself much better. I also prefer ejaculating inside the female. I do not declare it, but I do not let them touch my penis.
Girls fall into two categories. Those that do not like me procrastinating, because they prefer to be done with a quick happy ending, and get rid of the customer.
The second category is the best. Those are the curious girls that become intrigued, and either their pride is tickled or something, but they feel challenged, and try to figure out why I do not want their help.
If I like the girl, I offer her massage right away, and go gently. Shoulders, hands, neck, scalp, and then go down with my hands. Turn over, start kissing her body, but do not forget to continue massaging. They are tired and bored, I give them much needed relaxation. Most of them love it. With good ones, I extend for another hour. When the time feels right, I ask for the phone number, suggesting to pay directly, without splitting with their administration. Or even better, I ask why are they so beautiful, and what is the secret with their food, what do they like. Usually it's sea food. Ask if they'd be interested. Get the phone number. Great ones allow FIV, DATY, even great DFK.
Then there are multiple options. The most enjoyable for me is not to propose anything at all, and have great time dating. Kissing in the street, meeting with her for some relatively inexpensive shopping, lunch together. She waits for my move, and I do nothing, because my apartment is occupied with another regular for a couple days before her University finals start.)) Then by the third date this masseuse will finally get to my apartment, where again I have great takeout from Avalon, sushi, delicious smoothie, and in a couple hours she will say: "It so hot in here. " and we'll end up having sex, no money discussed. She'll go home, because she is an independent woman. And right after she leaves, I will continue my research with hourly agency girls. That's when she will send a Viber message, asking straight, if I am going to support her financially. And then with each new date our sex will be getting better and better.
Or sometimes, when my apartment is available, I invite the masseuse for an outcall making official reservation through the admin phone number. It can even be at first an incall massage with her in the morning to help with my hangover, get her phone number, and outcall reservation in the evening. Except at my apartment there are no spy cameras, and smart girls will make it the last appointment of their shift. Even smarter girls ask their friends to substitute them on-site, take off, and then stay overnight. The best ones are administrators, 24-28 years old at the end of their shift. I pay $150-200 cash to them directly, and that's love at the first site for all of them)) that is so much more than they make incall. Besides, some need sex, and cannot get it on-premises.
Outcall is a risk with unknown girls. I wouldn't order those to my apartment.
Anyway, the above helped me to have great time on-site at Relax and other locations, as well as find three solid regulars. One I know since 2013, one - 2014, and the last one - 2019.
Another trick is. I have tickets to the concert. They love it! I do not invite the girl to fuck, or to have the dinner (and then fuck). I invite her for special entertainment. Not a movie, but a concert, or theater. And never ever I left theater empty handed. First it's my gentle hand on her lovely thigh, then a tender kiss during intermission, and then after the show is over we go to my place, because she is not afraid of me anymore. I am not an asshole or a jerk or a psycho. She feels at ease, an we only go up to my apartment for a drink. Champagne works miracles with young ladies.
If she herself is not available, I ask if there are reliable friends. She shows me Instagram, we pick together, she calls right away. Her female friend asks on the phone right there at Relax:
- To do what? What is expected?
- Escort. You decide.
And that gorgeous lady, 20 at a time, took a 3 hours train from her village, and then stayed with me for 8 years on and off, while others were changing in kaleidoscope. Lots of great memories!
Possibilities are endless in Kiev.
Some allow fingers in vagina, some don't. But there will be no blowjob, not on site. Your apartment is totally another story.
Best of luck in your endeavors, gentlemen!
Good report, MaxLou1970! I can't understand how I forgot to state it clearly in my Tinder that I'm ready to sponsor. Fuck. I had read it hrre and made a mental note on it before travelling, but forgot.
I ordered a girl from agency advertising in Tinder. Not the real pic of face, but body might have been. Expensive, 3300, but I had drinks on me and they deliverrd after 50 min spontaneous order. She was the cheapest. I hope my schedule works and I get to mert another girl tonight.
BTW, I would suggest that people refrain from trying to find girls from Showaround. It's not the platform for it, dating apps are. I think we should respect other people's time and efforts in surviving their life as born Ukrainians. It's a tough game they are at, anyhow.
I've noticed that people thinn I'm Russian. They get startled when I speak English to their greetings. I think this is a disadvantage on the streets, because I get looks from girls that I consider nice looking "girl nextdoor" and if I speak English, I can sometimes almost hear how their socks start to whirl on their feet (actually, this might not be an english expression). But I mean that eyes can lit. I don't have The pictures for Tinder, but then again, there will be some really serious competition.
I've also started to pay attention and notice more and more of these 20-something girls with 30 or 40-something pairs, who speak English between them. And saw a tall nerdy looking guy around the age of 40 having a traditionally considered beauty among him, like with a Mizs Ukraine / World level face (if it wasn't for personal view biased toward another girl I had met in my home country, I'd say this blonde had aesthically the most beautiful face I've ever seen). And not attention seems to be paid on them. But when I'm with my local friend, who is not dressing like the city girls but has like two Ukrainian dresses, I get looks.
Well, when I get the chance I try to convince her to let me buy her a dress. Time is running low though, five days left.
Ivan Buyan
07-23-21, 11:59
Hey fellas,
First of all I am not into Tinder game for last couple years.
Why? Well, once I became confident in my Russian and Ukrainian, I started enjoying live conversations and flirting offline.
But I did enjoy Tinder for a certain period of my life and found there some of the best sex partners ever. For me the key to Tinder game is LYING and Role Playing. I will explain now and it's up for you to decide how moral or immoral this is.
Preparation: I would rent an apartment with good view. It may be small or in an old house, but it must have good smell, good bathroom and awesome view.
First: age.
I would always add extra 7 years to my age and state it in "Bio" and post 2-3 pictures of me in some exotic warm places around the globe, ideally on the boat / yacht. The trick here is to look awesome at my stated age and to look rich and adventures but not crazy rich. (no Bugatti and shiny bling bling).
So my description would be smth like:
Dave, 50 years.
Looking for a local lady to show me Kiev.
Drinks, food and fun is on me.
Second: filtering.
First I choose the hottest profiles, then I start conversations, then I dumb those who have worst English skills. Then it all depends on how good you can pretend and arise interest in women.
So I am left few chicks who are hot and speak English, I don't mind if they send me "sex for money offers".
I play like I don't need sex that bad, I just want to see Kyiv / Lviv and have some good time walking, talking and eating. The hardest thing comes during real life meeting. I would say I need 30-60 minutes to understand if there may be some sex chemistry between me and a girl I found on Tinder.
During first 30-60 minutes I am trying to ask more questions, so the girl keeps talking. That's why you need women with good English. I would ask questions about girls life, but these questions must be "neutral". In other words, asking "Did you have a happy childhood" is not ok. Asking something like "What was your favourite cartoon when you were a kid" is ok. So I'm trying to touch only pleasant strings of memories.
When I see (usually I feel that) that I can not find a connection, I pretend that someone calls me and I need to go to some place and I insist that I want to pay the girls taxi and give her some extra (400-500 UAH as a rule).
When I see some connection, I keep asking questions and start giving small doses of information about myself. I do try to look super open minded but not talkative to the way where you give a girl lecture about 20 last years of your life.
And in these doses of information I lie a lot. And its up to you what you want to lie about. The aim of it is to make the girl think of you as some super interesting, adventurous guy who has super interesting life and definitely has some cool secrets.
As a rule my lie is based on real life events of me and my friends where I would add "special effects" and supersize certain things. I never state how much money I make, I never state prices (like last summer I paid $200 for 10 g of coce in Bogota). I only tell stories that do show I have enough money. I also show I speak few foreign languages (even though I know only few words) but trust me women love that.
I had times where I would walk for few hour talking to a girl, then we go eat, drink smth and then I invite her to my apartment to try some exotic drink / food (that I would buy in duty free).
And then we would have sex. This does need serious skills that come with practice. It is a bit easier for me cause I really travelled a lot, saw different cultures and studied psychology for 6 years and played in a school theatre-.
Hope I'm not the only one crazy to pretend here. Would be happy to read other stories.
Member #4722
07-23-21, 16:23
Finally had my first true Kyiv hottie from Mamba. Tall blonde. For me she was a 7.5. Had fake pictures on mamba but sent me real pics via WhatsApp. She's in her early 20's and has a child. Says she got fat after kid but ditched her deadbeat ex and got a revenge body going. Great legs, amazing breasts and bubble butt + amazing face. 2500 + taxi and she let slip that she drove herself but I didn't complain about the extra 250. She said no kissing but we started kissing a lot during sex. She said no DATY but agreed she would on next visit. Covered blow job but very enthusiastic.
I will share this contact with only a couple good friends on this board so don't bother asking.Just had my second date with this hottie. She flaked on me earlier in the week but I gave her another chance and glad I did. She opened up the menu with DFK the whole time and gave her a great O with DATY. I think there's a mutual attraction and it was like real sex with a lover (covered full service of course). Super sweet girl and amazing smile. She wants to keep in touch so hopefully I can meet her again in the future. Encounters like this are why I love Kyiv, along with many other reasons.
Just finished my one week trip. It was fun as always. Made couple of good long-term hopefuls, dropped a couple from past. I have written enough about Kiev so I am not going to bother with details but will focus on differences from past trips. Mainly the apartments almost all disappeared. I have been to Kiev for mongering purposes 4 times during the pandemic. Even in April lot of numbers were working but not now. Word is that they used COVID as an excuse to crack down. Who knows! Point is that data base needs to be rebuilt.
My go to is dating sites and their friends. I also repeat and build relationships so I have few cancellations, more late night visits and overnights without breaking the bank. I love Kiev but it is not easy. Go with a plan.
I was there for 7 days and had 15 sessions plus a massage or two. Average price is 3500. Kissing and BBBJ is a must for me.
You guys hit the nail on the head on how to get most out of Kiev. My approach is almost identical to Ivan's but I am bit more direct. They know why a 50 year old is contacting a pretty 20 something girl. I don't do cafes with girls. I invite them to my apartment. Part of the reason is time. My goal is 3 a day and I don't always meet that goal. Can't afford to lose time.
Just finished my one week trip. It was fun as always. Made couple of good long-term hopefuls, dropped a couple from past. I have written enough about Kiev so I am not going to bother with details but will focus on differences from past trips. Mainly the apartments almost all disappeared..Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.
So, just to summarize everything that's been described earlier. I'm not really discouraging you for visiting Kiev. Perhaps if your expectations are on the realistic side than you still may succeed in fucking average looking girls for 2500 UAH per hour. But even if you're ready to spend big bucks to have a good time there is no guarantee that you'll get what you want. Yes there were times long back (almost 20 years ago) when Ukraine and Russia where like epicenters of European mongering and there were hundreds of girls available for a reasonable price. But those times have gone long time ago and today you have much better option getting Ukrainian girl from an escort agency in Paris, Rome, London or Toronto for 300 $-500 $ than if you did the same in Kiev. Specifically, if you're visiting Kiev for a short period of time then your only options are GIA, Apartment and Strip Clubs. You may only succeed in the long-term game trying to find girls of your dreams or whatever but it's more like finding a needle in a haystack.
Well, In my opinion the "beauty" of Ukrainian girls is highly overrated – I personally prefer Russian girls as they look more structured, feminine, sincere and have less tendency for ripping you off. In Ukraine itself the prettiest girls I've met were coming from Eastern and Southern regions. But anyways when you're in Kiev you still see a good number of "hot" girls around (maybe 1 out of 10) walking on the streets, subways, shopping-centers etc. Some of them are sexy dressed (during the worm time of the year) and look like real hookers. So, you may get an impression that they are all waiting for you to approach and introduce yourself "Hi, my name is John – I'm a sex tourist from XXX country would you like to take a walk to my apartment so I can fuck you for 100 $ ? That's sounds a bit insane. Isn't it? You may think that Ukraine is a poor country and all girls are looking for extra-income. Well – most of them do. But keep in mind 2 things. 1) Ukraine is not as poor as you think (specifically Kiev). There are many local guys with a good income level like for example we pay our IT developers around $25 per hour. And there are many Ukrainians who are rich or even supper-rich. 2) Girls in Ukraine are very realistic towards their appearance and know exactly what they worth as the most of them are natural sharks and gold-diggers. So, their ultimate goal is to accumulate as much $$$ as possible and for the most beautiful girls it doesn't necessarily mean sharing bad with strangers. So, in basic P4P arrangements you are lucky if you find anything higher than 6 and if you want something better than that then you should have good connection in Kiev and be ready to spend some serious $$ I mean meeting girls on the street may still work for you on few conditions 1) You are young and good looking 2) You speak Russian 3) You have plenty of time for street-hunting and socializing.
I mean don't get me wrong; - You may still flirt with a college student, waitress, Russian language tutor, Tour Guide, Real estate agent, Dental assistant or Cleaning lady. But your chances of getting a successful date out of it are next to zero.
I've seen some guys being disappointed with Kiev (for whatever reason) trying to find some "luck" in other Ukrainian cities. Well this could be a great idea if you want to learn more about Ukraine's demographical and geographical structure. But in terms of mongering this will lead you to even more disappointment or even disaster if you don't have a bunch of reliable contacts in that city. By "Reliable Contact" – I don't mean girls that you've been corresponding on tinder, mamba, travelgirls etc. And never seen before in your life. "Reliable Contact" – means a friend or a girlfriend whom you've known for a long time and who can clearly guide you during your visit. If you don't know anyone and decided to rely on your "natural" instincts than be ready the following;.
1) You are moving against the stream because most of the girls from smaller cities (Odessa, Kharkiv, Nikolaev, Kherson, Dnepr and other towns and villages) are trying to make it to larger cities (not necessarily Kiev) to make more $$ 2) There is a very little chance that your "sweetheart" or whoever you've corresponded with on dating portals and never seen before in your life will show up to meet you in the airport or bus station. And if she does show up than there is great chance that you would want to jump back to the plane or bus because a girl that will meet you will look completely different from the girl you have corresponded with.
2) There are lots of local "services" patiently waiting for you to show up with you $$$ to rip you off (Taxi drivers, Local police etc.).
3) There are bunch of local guys who lives in Kiev and also disappointed with Kiev prices (I know many of them) are also very proactive and trying to get a fresh catch on spot before she's migrated out of her lake into the bigger rivers. And the fundamental difference between you and these guys is that they are know exactly what they want and how to get it. So as a result. Most of the good-looking girls will not be available as local guys prefer to book them daily weekly (not hourly).
4) Odessa may attract you during the summer time but keep in mind that it's a capital of scam. I mean you may get ripped off before you know it because of corrupted police and dishonest night clubs like Ibiza, Itaka, Palladium etc. So, if you still want to go to Odessa than you should check out google or tripadvisor reviews about each place you're planning to visit.
The following resources have mostly been used by those guys who are hunting for girlfriends, mistresses, semi-pros or any other type of "casual" relationships.
Marriage Agencies – 100% scam and should be avoided by any means. They hire professional translators to simulate interactive chats and calls (no video calls available) so a guy is thinking that he communicates with a real girl. Also, they organize "love tours" to Ukraine and other countries which cost crazy $$ And hire girls to attend these "social meetings" . So I'm sure that you guys already know about this scam models and none of you will fall for this crap.
Seeking Arrangement – This is an expensive option for those who are looking for sugar babies and Not very popular in Ukraine 90% of scam. The other 10% are either using fake pictures or charge crazy fees for a meeting (most are looking for monthly allowance rather than P4 P game). So, my suggestion is that if you already pay for this service in your country than you can try it in Ukraine. Otherwise save your bucks.
Soderganki. Ru – This could be a good option (completely free) but only for those who speaks Russian. Has a good number of postings from real girls who are really looking for financial support in exchange for casual relationship. There is an English version of this site: https://keptwoman.net/en/?s=Kiev (you can put any city in the search box) . But it's not very useful as most of the girls do not speak any English or prefer local guys. And once again. There are many scams also lots of girls are really not good looking and only seeking monthly support. But after all you can try as it's completely free of charge.
Atolin. Ru – Very similar to soderganki. Ru but has more pictures in girl's profiles (and some of them could be real). Also, this is a paid service and mostly used by Russian speaking audience so I suggest you pass on this one if you don't know Russian. I've had some luck with this in the past but didn't try it now.
Travelgirls – Another expensive option with 90% of scam. The other 10% will be bitching about P4 P arrangements but some of them may agree to meet with you for 300-500 $. So, If you already paying for the service than you can try this in Ukraine otherwise I wouldn't bother. I have also had some luck with this 3 years ago. Contacted few hundred girls (or bots) whatever with response rate 30% out of which 80% was scam. So I ended up meeting with 7 girls out of which 4 I didn't like. So my success rate 3 girls out of 300 contacts. You may get more luck out of this but I'd give it very little chance as things keep declining over the years.
Show around – I suggest to use this option only if you need a company visiting night-clubs and other venues where you feel uncomfortable going by yourself. Also, I suggest you hire a male guide as most of the female guides do not like these arrangements and don't like sex-tourists in general. They prefer to walk you around the city for hours showing you dummy monuments and churches and at the end of the tour will take you to some dummy restaurant (where they get commissions out of your visit) to try some Ukrainian food like borcsh, pelmeni etc. So, if you're OK with this than move on with female guide otherwise. Stick with male guides to whom you can freely talk about the "real" purpose for your visit to Ukraine.
Tinder – Tones of fake profiles and the "real" once cooperate with local restaurants to drag you into "foodie" scam model where you will end-up paying half of your monthly salary for "fancy" cocktails or you'll get the amount of food you won't be able to digest in a week. And, as usual. The girl will collect her commissions and split at the end of the "Party". So, there are very few real "deals" on Tinder but if you find one than just be very careful.
Mamba – Used to be # 1 source for semi-pro hunting. But those days are over so don't even bother to pay for a membership. I mean it's not completely "dead" and still operating. But Admins took very harsh approach for any types of activities that are not truly related to pure "Love and Friendship" , so as a result. Very few p4 p oriented girls and pimps are keeping active profiles on this service. Instead, there are bunch of fakes and "marriage-minded" average looking girls.
Here I'll try to cover the full scope of "professional" services you can get in Kiev and frankly there is not much room for creativity.
GIA – Probably everyone on this forum familiar with this agency as they've been operating in Kiev for 20+ years. As a matter of fact, the only one professional escort agency currently operating in Kiev. The advantage of using this agency is that: 1) You speak with a "live" operator 2) They always have good selection of girls 3) All pictures on their site are real or close to real (You also have option to see unbrushed version or selfie but you need to get a password from operator. 4) Relatively honest representation of the girl (age / height / weight / tits etc.) 5) All services and prices are listed clearly. 5) Never had issues with punctuality. The disadvantages as follows: 1) Most of the girls are average looking and overpriced (staring 5000 UAH per hour). 2) There are few "hot" girls but they'll come with higher price tag. 3) In the review section they keep only "positive" reviews and delete "negative" once 4) The professional demeanor of the girls had declined over the years (specifically under new management) . I mean you will not get scammed, but some girls may get "lazy" or clocked-watched so if you noticed something like this you need to take things into your hands and drive the process. Which is a big "turn-off" for all of us because we like "enthusiastic" girls.
So simply saying. GIA (or whatever they call it now) is a good option for you if you didn't get anything better. In this trip I've used GIA girls 3 times. Liza and Margo were wonderful (Both old-timers and I knew these girls from my prior trips to Kiev) . On the other hand I had extremely negative experience with Arina)) I will not describe full scope of details here. I just want to warn you to avoid contact with this lady by any means.
International Sex Portals – This normally includes providers that cater to foreigners. And If you check eurogirls.com under Ukraine / Kiev section you'll see around 200 active profiles 70% of which are fakes or underground pimps. So, if you really want to get something out of it than you'll need to narrow down your search to Independent girls (starting price 150 EUR) who has WhatsApp / Viber contacts so you can message her to arrange meeting. Please keep in mind that all pictures on website are either fake or heavily photoshopped. So, if you had hooked up for a meeting than you should ask the lady to send you real pictures and refuse to meet if she doesn't. On this trip I've hooked up with 2 girls and both were pretty good in terms of looks and services: Karina (very pretty blond with fake boobs) and Marina (pretty petite brunet – actually she's using real pictures and looks even better in reality). I've communicated with few more ladies from this site but did not like the pictures they sent. There are few other international portals like adultlook.com slavic-companions.com cityoflove etc. But selection is very poor and most of the profiles are heavily outdated.
Local Portals – There are 2 types of these. Some of them target English speaking audience like: relaxkiev, kievlady etc. But most of them are for local guys. Feikiev, keksik, naberu, ukrgo etc.
In both cases 90% of these are full of trash. And when I say "trash" – I mean real "trash" . Unfortunately many foreign guys I've seen in Kiev fall for this garbage imagining coming to Kiev and fucking tones of beauty queens for 800 UAH)) Well – the reality is that 50% of these adds are private massage parlors stuffed with old fat and ugly girls (pay attention to prices – 800/1500 UAH) . About 30% of adds belong to underground pimps or apartments (with few girls during the day-time) These normally start at 2000 UAH / HR and you won't get much out of it)) The price for a real independent girl will start at 3000 UAH / HR and very few of them are really "active". UkrGo is the most popular resource among locals and I was trying it for a couple of years and even got lucky a couple of times. But that luck came with tones of shit I had to shovel for hours. It's a sort of like finding a pearl on sandy beach. However, if you're still determined to try one of these here are some tips that may help you to get "lucky" 1) do not pay attention to anything lower than 3000 UAH / hour) Do not waste your time verifying pictures on google or Yandex (have to use VPN when in Ukraine) as 100% of pictures are FAKE. 3) Google phone number so you'll get better picture who you're dealing with. 4) Contact only girls / pimps who has Whatsapp / Viber / Telegram contacts 5) Consider only options with outcall to your apartment. 6) If you are dealing with underground pimps than you should ask them to send you a couple of girls to choose from and in 90% you'll send them back paying for the taxi 6) Beware of various scamming frameworks they exercise (the girl might be pretty so you'll pay and let her in but she'll spend around 20 minutes on the phone than another 20 minutes in bathroom than you will only have few minutes to kiss her in the chick before she splits.) 7) All valuables in your apartment must be hidden.
So, the bottom-line) I suggest to stick with international portals as there is a better chance to get something decent out of it. Also, if you're visiting Kiev for a long time than it make sense to mess around with these sites but if you're on the short-term visit than do not waste your time on this crap.
High-End Escorts.
Well, if you're not limited on budget than this could be a good option for you to fuck a real Ukrainian beauty. And it's true. By using these resources, you can easily hit 7/8/9 and even 10. However: Expect the big hit to your wallet. In my experience: 7 from $500, 8 from $600, 9 from $800. Normally meeting lasts 2 hours or more (if you like "dinner-dates" than you pay double). I'm personally not a big fan of dinner-dates, actually once in a while I go out but only with girls I've known for some time. And my personal preference #1 Date #2 Dinner as I don't like to fuck with my stomach full. So, anyways: There are few resources available for these types of arrangements: it's OMG and MensKiev Both are pre-paid services and will require your credit card but don't worry) they are perfectly legit. OMG will actually refund your payment if for whatever reason the girl you contacted did not get back to you. This time I've used menskiev once and met a very nice lady. Paid $500 but had a very good time.
So, for those of you who are ready to spend some serious cash. I'd classify this as an option # 1. OMG may also come cheaper if you invite a girl from another city;- However you may stuck with a problem if you're not really like the girl in person than it would be some headache with sending her back to hometown. (If you didn't like the local girl, so you just pay for her taxi and you split (no hard feelings).
Again. Even though you have cash to hire a high-end escort in Kiev. It's time to scratch your head and do some math: A good looking Ukrainian girl in London will cost you $300 in Paris and Rome $250. Than why would you come to Kiev to fuck identical girl for $500? I think that's a question you should ask yourself before booking your trip to Kiev.
This used to be my favorite option many years ago. Just go to a night-club and get what you need. Obviously. For those who remember "River Palace" . That was a stop # 1 in Kiev. Well, unfortunately these days are gone forever. I've done some observation on this trip with a very little hope to get something out of it. So, here is the story.
Buddha-Bar – Used to be a good place for foreigners and locals to stop by for a few drinks and check out working girls. The quality of girls had declined over the years but even 2 years ago I've managed to pickup a nice semi-pro girl Yana for $300. The place was shut down about year ago, so no more Buddha Bar.
Chi – Glamourous Place which had a decent selection of "Dolls" . I had luck a couple of times and most of these ladies are still active on my contact list. The place was also closed last year.
De*Fleur – (Used to be the*Lux) . Never liked that place because of stupid face-control bouncers at the entrance. I personally never had trouble getting in because I speak fluent Russian and always had a girl company, but my foreign friends and colleagues always had hard time. Now they operate only on weekends and "YES" There are lots of single chicks inside the club but beware of scam models they exercise. They get paid by establishment to get you to buy more food and drinks. They are acting like they're working girls and ready to join you into your bad. But on reality there is 90% chance they'll drop you off at the end of the "party" and you'll end up paying a huge bill. So, I suggest to avoid this place or go with experienced guide.
SkyBar – Same as De*Fleur + some crazy college kids.
Caribbean – Went with my UK friend just to show him around. There was a girls-band playing some shitty Russian pop-music. The place was pretty busy with male / female ratio 70/30. Mostly guys from middle-eastern countries who spend in Kiev decent amount of time. Mostly average looking girls and very few singles (most came to the club with company). I've spotted a good looking blond (early 30 wearing sexy dress) She was sitting by the bar with a glass of wine aside from the crowd. I set next to her and asked if she enjoyed party so far. She was very straight forward with me because I spoke clean Russian. So she told me that she's not "for sale" and she gets commissions from the club for making guys buying drinks. We chatted for a bit longer and then she excused herself into the bathroom, so it was clear that she wasn't looking for my company. I actually always liked Caribbean for exercising liberal approach for the tourists and locals (virtually no face control). And years ago the place was packed with single girls well. Not anymore.
Forsage – Full of college kids. Some girls are good looking but not available for P4 P also not looking for sugar daddies. If you are young and good looking I suggest to visit this place to try your luck. And if you are 35+ than I don't think you'll feel comfortable visiting this place. Also be careful with drinks and prices. I suggest you get beer or wine. Hard liquors and cocktails are not only overpriced but heavily mixed with different garbage so may not be able to monger for a couple of days after consuming these drinks. One Ukrainian guy told me "I never drink inside of these places. I always get drunk before I go there" Think it's a great idea. Identical places: Indigo, Sorry Babushka (temporary closed).
Avalon – Few years ago used to pick up working girls on upper level (terrace) after midnight and few of them are still active on my contact list. So this time I hooked up with a girl Anna whom I met 2 years back at Avalon and after a good banging session she suggested we go back to Avalon to celebrate our reunion. She's actually being married and lives in Germany but visits Kiev frequently to take care of her elder parents. So, we got to Avalon at about 11 pm and while drinking, eating and talking I was observing action around. Male / female ratio 60/40. Mostly couples and companies. There were few tables with single ladies but they didn't look like working girls as their tables where full of food. 2 Ladies where sitting next to us. Looking like high-end prostitutes. I noticed a couple of single Turkish guys were trying to pick them by offering them to move to their table, but it looks like these girls were not looking for any action. Other than that. Avalon is pretty good place to hang out with a girl or friends but I don't think you'll score in any type of P4P action. Also beware of prices – Scams going on all tourist places (including high-end venues).
Veranda – Similar to Avalon. Used to have some hookers but not anymore. Also, they used to be opened until 6 am and now shut down at 12.
Shooters – 10 Years ago was #1 on my list. Ladies night every Wednesday and Sunday used to be packed with semi-pros Food was also great but These days are gone: Now it's a shit-hole. Still functioning but opened only once a week on Sunday.
Rio. Visited Thursday late night. Around 35 dancers on the floor but 90% of them are average looking. One girl looked OK (pretty face and proportional tits / ass combination) but she had disappeared very quickly))) Rio used to have hot girls with take out option for $300 . Well I know the floor manager for many years and he's clearly explained that the golden times for RIO are over. I mean they still have few hot girls around but those are not available for take-out. Bc club pays them extra $$ to attract customers and they pull enough cash on private dances (despite the poor quality of girls the place was pretty packed for Thursday night) so these "cheerleaders" are not really interested to jump into your bed. The next-door club "Tootsies" has a bar type settings and frankly I'm not a big fan of this establishment so I didn't bother to come-in. Basically, the rule of thumb is if RIO is slow than you won't have much fun at Tootsies either. Also (just FYI) another RIO branch Scarlet (President hotel) was recently Closed.
Harem – visited Saturday night with my coworker friend from UK. The quality of girls used to be much lower than in RIO and now it's about the same level not because Harem has gotten better but because RIO has gotten worse. The place wasn't too busy for Saturday night and I had a lap dance with a one slim blond. Very robotic action with limited touching. I think that she was available for take out but I didn't bother to ask as she wasn't really into it and I'm not a big fan of sleeping with Icebergs.
Dolls. After leaving Harem we moved straight to Dolls. . The place was filled about 50% with around 20 dancers on the floor. The quality of girls was a bit better than in Harem. I've spotted few girls I'the qualify 7 and 8 but was not in the mood to any lap-dances so I tipped Nina 200 UAH (slim brunette with natural be+ boobs) and asked her to join us at our table for chit-chat. She came back 20 minutes later and joined us for drinks (here you need to be careful to monitor which drink a girl is ordering cause you might get very frustrated at check out) so anyways I asked her if she's OK with take out option and she says "Yes" "but not today" - She explained that she already left the club earlier with a client for a couple of hours and feels a bit exhausted. She suggested I came back at another day earlier time so we can hookup. At the same time my friend pulled out a toll red-head girl with fake boobs. She was 100% not my type but we're all have different taste so I've respected his choice. She also spoke decent English and that's probably what had attracted him in the first place because he speaks zero Russian. Anyways – they've made arrangement to his place and left. It was around 4 am and I decided to stay until the final call and not much had happened during this timeframe. Spoke to waitress about take out politics and she explained that almost every girl is available for take out but that depends on business of the club. Normally it's $250-300 for a couple of hours and the services you get will be very basic. The good thing is that these days "take out" options in Dolls Is sort of more liberal than in RIO and it used to be the opposite way.
Princess. This one is really caught my attention. Used to be a shit-hole for many years but it's got much better under new management. Visited on Sunday night after having few drinks with my friends nearby. The place is completely redecorated with 3 dancing stages, nice set of erotic TVs and a huge bar in the conner. There were about 20 girls on the floor most of them looking above average (definitely better than RIO) . And few I'd classify 7/8. Also, it looked like all girls had a solid dancing background performing acrobatic tricks on pole. I've notices a short-haired blond with very pretty face and be+ tits which looked very cute on her slim body. Asked her for lap-dance (600 UAH) and we had a pretty good time the only disadvantage is that the cabins for private dances are very dark. Anyways, she joined me later at my table and I wanted to order a drink for her but she preferred sushi. Natasha (her name) looked pretty good so I offered her to continue party at my place without much hope for positive response but to my surprise she had agreed to my offer without much hesitation. She said that normally she doesn't leave the club if it's busy but that night it was very slow so she agreed for outcall. Also (as she told me later) she had a solid escorting background and was touring to France and Italy working for an agency making some serious cash before COVID and now she stuck in Kiev waiting for Europe to open. So, I paid 300 $ to the manager and we left to my apartment on club's Taxi. It was almost 4 am and we had a pretty good time until 6 am. Overall this was a very positive experience and I wouldn't mind to see her again but she'd refused to exchange phone#. She said that she doesn't hooks up outside of the club business, suggested to come back another day to pick her up (if available).
Tips for newbies:
When visiting strip-clubs with "take-out" in mind consider the following places: Princess, Dolls, Harem, RIO (last on my list and used to be first) . You should skip: Penthouse (full of scam and ugly girls), Rhino and Burlesque ("take out" not available. They used to have hot girls for lap dances but not any more).
In general, it looks like the quality of dancers had declined dramatically over the years. I mean 5 years ago coming to RIO you may see at least 5 pretty girls out of 20 but these days are over. So keep your expectations on the lower level.
"Take Out" policies may change in the club depending on how business goes and specific girls. Keep in mind that more attractive girls (if you find any) are usually making good $$ on private dances so she'd prefer to stay in the rather than sucking your dick for the rest of the night. Also the management of the club is trying to keep them indoor as "cheer-leaders" to attract more customers.
So, by visiting any of the clubs there is 95% chance that you will not find what you looking for. This obviously depends on your preferences (if you like to fuck average looking girl for 300 $ than your chances are increase to 60%.
$250-$300 is a standard price across (Harlem and Dolls used to be cheaper but not any more) and even though you'd managed to get the girl you like into your than do not expect anything "special" . The quality of time you spend together will be a bit better than spending time with apartment girl but do not expect anything spectacular.
So, the bottom line. Just do some Math. Visiting strip club will cost you at least $100 (entrance fee + drinks) than you spend another $100 tipping girls + private dances or inviting a dancer to your table. Than (if you get "lucky") another $300 for the girl. So, the question will pop up: "How come I've spent $500 in Kiev tonight? "Is this really worth it?
Hi guys,
Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience. Well, I've just completed my first post-COVID business trip to Kiev since February 2020 and before that I used to visit Kiev for work 3, 4 times annually since 2012. I'm in IT business and we have affiliated offshore partners all over Ukraine, Russia and Poland so I have to travel frequently to drop off new projects and pickup completed once. This time I've spent in Kiev about a month and there was very slow on business side so being away from my lovely family I've dedicated more time to my personal needs.
Being visiting Ukraine for so many years I have accumulated 100+ contacts for the local talents into my Red-Book. Obviously many of them have moved away to other countries or got married, but I still have managed to catch up with 9 girls I have met in the past. All good-looking ranging from 7 to 9. But all of them come with a solid price-tag $200-$500. I have also met 5 new ladies. And that's a bit disappointing since the number of local talents shrank down dramatically over the years.
So, anyways. The important part I'd like you to comprehend is that there are 2 channels for getting girls in Kiev. The first is an Open or Public channel specifically dedicated for sex tourists and that's basically 90% of this forum discussions including. Strip clubs, apartments, mamba, tinder, GIA, and whatever else is out there.
The second channel is a sort of very private channel and it's only accessible for locals who have good $$$ and good connections. So, most of the girls I meet I get from 2 local pimps who has affiliation with modeling agencies, private college students etc and they always have a good pull of new talents. But like I said earlier the price-tag does not come cheap. Most of the girls cherish their privacy (Kiev is a big village) and prefer long-term engagement at full discretion. The other part of this is that I speak fluent Russian (actually native) and have lots of good friends and girlfriends in Kiev who are close to adult entertainment industry in Ukraine so I have some luxury for getting the right hints (they call it "tema" in Russian) and attend the right parties.
So anyways – I hope I have described this clearly for the guys who have an imagination for coming to Kiev for a couple of days and fucking model-type girl for $100 (all services included). Well it used to be like that back in 90's. But today. 150% it's not going to happen.
Now, let's talk about Open Mongering Chanel and what options you guys have coming to Kiev and following basic tourists steps. Well – Unfortunately not much. I mean you might get lucky but most of you will end-up with disappointment. I've done some actions on this side and only succeeded 3 times (speaking fluent Russian and having bunch of local friends around). I'll try to make my story as informative as possible so you guys can learn from it. So please refer to my next postings for details:
Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.
Hi vitrea, is there enough happening for a newbie in Kiev, I'm planning on a month but may travel around. I'm used to apartment set ups but prefer Indies. Final resort would be massage places. I'm not too fussed about overnights or nightclubs. TIA.
Well. SprKiev21 just answered your question with a very comprehensive Kiev guide for 2021. You are going for a month so should have good success in one or more of the venues. Different things work for different people. As you can see from th text book that SprKiev wrote, there is plenty of action but how much you end up paying and the quality you get for it, is highly variable and a major factor being your ability to speak Russian. My Russian is zero.Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.
It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.
Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.
It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.Well, It all really depends on you expectations and if you're not too picky about girls looks than you might like what Kiev has to offer for $100 or even lower. Otherwise. Save your bucks.
Thanks for the comprehensive updates SprKiev21 and vitrea.
It doesn't paint a great picture for a newbie. The prices quoted are higher than Western Europe so I think I will change my plans and look elsewhere as my trip is purely leisure not business.I'm adding 1 chapter (forgot to include) - It's about apartments and massage places. Read it in.
Apartments. For many years there used to be around 30 apartments around city center (tochka) managed by 1 guy (Vasya) with a price range of 1500 – 4000 UAH. My 2 favorite places was 42 Vasilkovskaya and 13 Kreschatik. This business model had collapsed about a year ago, but not due to COVID. One of my friends told me that Vasya had to give up or sell this business to get local officials of his back so as of today there are only 10 locations and under "new management" the quality of girls went downhill dramatically. I've visited 5 places and none of the girls looked above 5. For many years some local Kiev girls come work in apartments to raise some cash overnight. Or girls from other cities for start-up in capital city and Now it looks like all apartments are stuffed with average looking "village" type of girls. I mean not ugly but also not fuckable to my standards. So, my Apartment Score = zero.
Tips for newbies:
Best time to visit apartments is between 8-11 pm. Exercise sort of "Casting" approach so this will save you time and cash in the future. Allocate 2-3 hours of your valuable time. Go to Arena and pick up a driver nearby (should be mid-aged English speaking so he has enough energy to take you around). Explain him an objective for your trip and will need to visit multiple places until you find what you need.
Visiting multiple apartments may cost you around 500 – 1000 UAH but believe me it's worth it as you'll be able to see the full pictures and help you to make educated decision.
If you prefer better looking girls than do not visit any places with price-tag lower than 2000 UAH this will save you some time and efforts. The driver will start making phone calls and will take you to various places. When inside of apartment you'll see a small selection of girls 3-5 (used to be 7-12 under Vasya management) . If you happened to like any of the girl (highly unlikely) than do not tell anybody that you want to stay with her or invite her to your place. Instead you should ask her name and get contact information either from driver or apartment manager (pimp). So basically, your objective is to visit as many apartments as possible and get as many contacts as you can. So, you can get back home and call back any girl you want to see. That's a bit time and energy consuming process (like shopping in multiple stores) but at the end you'll save tones of time and $$.
When a girl comes to visit you there is a good chance, she speaks very little or no English. I suggest make some fun out of it and use google translator so this will relax her a bit. Offer a drink but do not make your introductory for longer than 10 minutes. Another 5-10 minutes for shower so you have 40 minutes for sex. Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex. So be prepare for a different type of mood swinging like "don't touch here and there" . "I forgot condoms" . "this will cost you extra" etc. All services should be negotiated upfront and frankly you won't get much. Their standard settings for 2000-3000 UAH Massage, CBJ, and basic positions. If you get lucky, she might allow you to do COB but it's highly unlikely. Keep all valuables in the safe place to make sure you don't "loose" it afterwards. If you want to "memorize" your experience using hidden cameras than be very careful as many girls are very good in detecting these devices. So your "date" will be terminated on spot and you'll feel like a complete idiot. If for whatever reason your meeting did not go well and you need to get your anger out of you. Than please don't bother complaining back to pimps bc nobody will give the shit about you and your feelings. The best you can do is to write a negative review on *** or whatever.
Massage Places. - There are few erotic massage places I can recommend: adele.com.ua afrodita.net.ua caramel-massag.com.ua erotic-massage. Org erotic-massage-kiev.com erotic-time.com.ua fiesta-massage.com.ua honeysalon. Kiev. Ua moulin-rouge. Kiev. Ua relaxmassage. Kiev. Ua salondream. Kiev. Ua salonretro. Kiev. Ua topless-club. Kiev. Ua vipmassage. Kiev. Ua.
Most of these are not very expensive and might have some pretty girls depending on the time of the day and your luck. The advantage of these is that you don't really need a taxi driver to get to these places. Just contact by WhatsApp / Viber and they'll get you all the info you need. Don't pay attention for the pictures they send these are sort of "generic" profiles. They are pretty much opened for public 24/7. Also, the crew could be much prettier than the girls you find in apartments. Also, sometime I use this option as a "worm up" and it really puts me in the right mood prior to meeting with a girl for real sex.
The disadvantage of these places is that normally there is no Full Sex or BJ contact – It's more about relaxation and they might jerk you off at the end of the session. The other disadvantage is that these places are very popular among locals as well. So most likely you will not be able to find your "hidden treasure" on spot as any girl with looks above 6 are easily spotted by VIP clients and most-likely will not be available for your ad-hock visit. So in the best case scenario you'll have to make an appointment for later days to see this specific girl. So, even thought you've got what you need. You still ask yourself a simple question. "Why I've spent so much time money and energy traveling to Kiev? Just to get a basic erotic massage? Maybe I'd better of stay at home or go to Germany for FKK? Well it's common sense. But it's completely up to you.
Hi guys,
Initially I wanted this to be a basic trip report but since I have not been contributing to this forum for a couple of years I have ended up writing a several chapters essay (took me few weeks to complete) sharing my experience.Wow what a comprehensive report thank you so much.
PhotoSlider
07-26-21, 21:55
Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex.I must be living on a different planet. Especially as it relates to Ukrainian girls. How else would I explain the following episodes:
Taking Sasha, a tall 19 years old beauty, from behind, after we had some passionate fore play. And I see that she gets agitated, but I had a long day, and attempted to slow down. She turned back looking at me, and demanded that I go harder. And this is not a unique occurrence. I've heard this "Don't stop please!" a few times from different girls in Kiev. Never happened to me in Spain, or California, or Canada.
Or yet another beautiful 19 years old Mika, marketologist, University student, sweaty from missionary, happily smiling, and sincerely exclaiming after a long DFK: "Thank you!
Or another girl, surprisingly also 19 years old, must be the age, right! We had only 90 minutes until her train departure, and still away from my apartment. I asked if she wants to go to my place, and she confidently replied with proverbial: "I do!
Ukrainian girls do like sex. Perhaps not with 7-8 different tourists in the last 12 hours, but even those type of girls can be taken properly. I've seen both. Lazy whining bitches that I kicked out of the bed, and true gems having one orgasm after another.
I suspect everybody understands that generalization doesn't serve the justice. Always, everybody, all, - doesn't apply to such a diverse commodity market as Ukraine.
I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.
I'm actually glad that I didn't have the chance to read that before my trip. A very good contribution to this issue. Kiev is a joy to visit because the girls are so flirtatious in their sexual appeal, but for me the action side was left as poor. I had four Mamba contacts which wanted to meet, but which I actually skipped. I will get better (best) service from my regular back at home at basicky the same price. I enjoyed the city very much, there is eye candy everywhere. If I weren't so shy towards approaching strangers in sexual context, I would have had better success ("8"'s) on the street than on a ton of hours spent on the internet. What I think of this now is that if one had a solid Tinder profile and a good rapport on communicating girls through chatting, it might be the best venue to find company. But this is just guessing. Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.On Tinder just be careful. If you managed to setup a date than invite the girl to the place of your choice and if she's trying to drug you somewhere else than you should cancel the date for your own benefit.
Keep in mind that Ukrainian girls (same like girls from any other country) like to look sexy but do not like sex. If a woman admits she wants sex, that reduces her sexual power. In the extreme case where the woman wants sex morev than the man, the man has the sexual power. This is acceptable in northern Europe or the USA, because woman have legal, political and economic power in those countries. But in Ukraine, and especially for poor working girls, sex is girls' only source of power, so they guard that power jealously, by pretending not to like sex. They only relax when they are confident the man will not take advantage of their display of enjoyment, such as by saying "You enjoyed the sex even more than me, so why should I pay you instead of you paying me?" With Photoslider, presumably the girls have confidence that he would not say this or something similar.
My own experience is that I often have to force Ukrainian girls (and sexually conservative American girls long ago) to enjoy. Basically, girl lies quietly, then after 25 or so minutes she cannot control herself anymore and involuntarily orgasms when I do. So she can tell herself that it was entirely my decision to make her cum, and since she never expressed any desire for sexual pleasure, she has lost none of her sexual power. I prefer this sort of sex because it lasts longer. (Note that I practice sexual kung fui, and am multi-orgasmic and my orgasms are not ejaculatory. Ability to control my orgasms precisely helps a lot with forcing sexually restrained girls to orgasm.).
Though I'm not actively looking now, I want to thank SprKiev21 for probably the best report this forum has ever had. Only thing I'll add is that you don't have to be connected to that network of pimps he mentioned to get access to lots of non publicly available girls. All you need is to find one semi-pro, treat her nicely, then get her to connect you to her friends. As your reputation spreads, you will soon have your own network. But this does take time.
As for language, my impression is that English levels are rapidly rising. Almost all the young people speak at A2 level now, though they may be shy to admit it because FSU education system teaches students to be terrified of making grammar mistakes. A2 level English plus sign language is plenty enough for mongering. I speak B1 Russian myself (understand B2, read at C1 level).
Knowing local girls and having them to refer other girls to you, as YummyPL has told to be having, seems like the best way.The guy with the time and a deep wallet with a bit of persistence has all the pussy he needs in Kiev.
Ivan Buyan
07-28-21, 11:50
It has been stated many times (incuding few times in SprKiev21 awesome posts) that when inviting any girl to your apartment you must be careful with your belongings.
Here's a a story from Summer 2015.
My partner came from abroad and rented an apartment for few weeks in the center of Obolon (for those who don't know. Obolon is a nice district which gets really busy in summer because it has a lot of beaches. Its more of the residential area but it does have tons of hot ladies in warm months and some really good restaurants). Anyway, my partner speaks good russian, we had some drinks, weed and decided to invite couple girls from a website.
We were not drunk, we knew all the precautions and had all the valuable things stored in a place unreachable.
So a pimp sent us a taxi with 2 girls, they were good looking and we took them. We did drink some more whiskey all together, talked, smoked and had fun. The girls were easy going and I liked their company.
We were super horny after couple hours of such talking to semi naked girls all on weed and booth.
So we had sex, the girls left, I tiped 20 dollar each for really good service (even though when they just came we paid upfront on the very first minute they steped into the apartment).
And then we found out that my partner lacks the diamond ring on his finger. First we thought we lost it before hookers came but then we checked photos we made that night and the ring was there before hookers came.
The hooker was sucking on his fingers during sex and took the ring!
So be careful. Never underestimate how crazy Kiev girls may be.
Next day we called the site, talked to the pimp, told we lost the ring and were even ready to pay for it but noone cared.
Sorry, guys, but entrance rules into Ukraine have changed again. The government decided to tighten the rules for the entry of foreigners and citizens into Ukraine. Anyone who does not have a coronavirus vaccine will be required to self-isolate and do a PCR test.
According to the new rules for crossing the border of Ukraine, foreigners are required to have an Ukrainian-based insurance policy in case of coronavirus disease, a document that confirms the full course of vaccination, or a negative test result for COVID-19. If a foreigner does not have the above documents, he will be asked to install the "DOMA" app and he will have to do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Foreigners with a residence permit in Ukraine are freely to enter if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination. If not, they will also have to install the DOMA app and do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Citizens of Ukraine will have unhindered rights in crossing the border if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination, or a certificate of first vaccination.
All vaccinated persons who have been in Russia and India for more than a week over the past two weeks are required to observe 14-day self-isolation without the right to early termination.
These new rules come into effect as of midnight August 5, 2021.
Sorry, guys, but entrance rules into Ukraine have changed again. The government decided to tighten the rules for the entry of foreigners and citizens into Ukraine. Anyone who does not have a coronavirus vaccine will be required to self-isolate and do a PCR test.
According to the new rules for crossing the border of Ukraine, foreigners are required to have an Ukrainian-based insurance policy in case of coronavirus disease, a document that confirms the full course of vaccination, or a negative test result for COVID-19. If a foreigner does not have the above documents, he will be asked to install the "DOMA" app and he will have to do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Foreigners with a residence permit in Ukraine are freely to enter if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination. If not, they will also have to install the DOMA app and do a PCR test within the next 72 hours. Citizens of Ukraine will have unhindered rights in crossing the border if they have a document confirming the full course of vaccination, or a certificate of first vaccination.
All vaccinated persons who have been in Russia and India for more than a week over the past two weeks are required to observe 14-day self-isolation without the right to early termination.
These new rules come into effect as of midnight August 5, 2021.
My gosh, I'll be there in 6 weeks, staring to worry a bit, but these changes appear to effect those who have not been vaccinated, I've been fully vaccinated and just purchased my insurance today, I hope no more changes. Also, the visit Ukraine site is listing Great Britain along with Russia and India.
Also, the visit Ukraine site is listing Great Britain along with Russia and India.Visit Ukraine site says vaccinated people from UK, Russia, India need to do a rapid antigen test at airport and nothing about isolating for 14 days.
No. She is not crazy. You have to sanitize your apartment and lock all valuables, or at least put them out of reach. This applies to your cash, wallet, passport, watch, and phone. I put these in a small safe I carry along with the key to the place that will be necessary to open the door when she leaves. When she is ready to leave, I go and open the safe, open the door for her, and show her out. No, I do not leave any valuables in the safe when I am not in the apartment. This is basic hosting hookers etiquette.
More importantly, however, it is that you do not need to impress professionals by wearing diamond rings or gold chains.
It has been stated many times (incuding few times in SprKiev21 awesome posts) that when inviting any girl to your apartment you must be careful with your belongings.
Here's a a story from Summer 2015.
My partner came from abroad and rented an apartment for few weeks in the center of Obolon (for those who don't know. Obolon is a nice district which gets really busy in summer because it has a lot of beaches. Its more of the residential area but it does have tons of hot ladies in warm months and some really good restaurants). Anyway, my partner speaks good russian, we had some drinks, weed and decided to invite couple girls from a website.
We were not drunk, we knew all the precautions and had all the valuable things stored in a place unreachable.
So a pimp sent us a taxi with 2 girls, they were good looking and we took them. We did drink some more whiskey all together, talked, smoked and had fun. The girls were easy going and I liked their company.
We were super horny after couple hours of such talking to semi naked girls all on weed and booth..
I went 3 times to Red Light Massage last week, each time with another girl. The overall experience was good. They usually have a good choice of girls (5-6 during daytime and 2-3 at night). Although the place is terribly difficult to find. You have to call them. First time a lady in a foul mood said "Why you speak English? And hung up. Then someone else called back and guided me with very poor English to the reception of Iris Hotel (3rd floor) and picked me up. Took a long time. It's a really dodgy address, but I was up for adventure.
I'll start with the worst one:
A) Kira.
Iteration factor: 0%.
Kira is a tall girl (a bit more than 170 cm) with long dark hair and large creoles, purportedly from Odessa. She's bossy, arrogant and aggressive. Even likes to boss around her colleagues. Spreads gossip, laments a lot and considers herself as smart. Yet the opposite is the case. The goldfish lips enforce the dumb appearance. Service is professional and cold. She jerked my cock as is it was a dead fish, with such a speed that I thought she would rip it off. Terrible. I should have stopped the whole session right from the beginning. When I came eventually (with closed eyes and a lot imagination) she said: "I don't ask if it was good, because I could see in your face that it was. " Ridiculous. Then she made it clear that she expects a generous tip. Otherwise she would spread the word that I'm a lousy customer. To avoid under all circumstances! She actually shouldn't belong to this establishment, because she ruins the whole reputation.
B) Jenya.
Iteration factor: 80%.
Jenya (I hope I'm spelling this right) is a very kind girl. Long blond hair, very fit body, petite. She barely speaks English but tries to make up for it with kindness and a lot of giggling. Her massage skills are sensitive and she really takes an effort to make you happy. Which she did. I recommend her.
C) Luna.
Iteration factor: 100%.
My personal highlight. Luna is a petite black girl from Nigeria, studying in Kiev. Perfect body. She is playful, smart, charming, likes to tease right from the beginning, before you even reach the bed. She knows exactly how to treat a man and enjoys it. She has a natural body and good personality. Her English is excellent, by the way. Fondling and kissing is possible, if the mood is right. Please treat her kindly and with respect. She's a good girl.
All in all an interesting joint. The rooms are quite large, the shower is clean, there is a certain professional attitude. A downer is that the mamasan knocks at the door after 45 minutes or even earlier. Because showers and dressing / undressing and waiting for the girl is included in the 60 minutes. But for the price of 1.100 UAH that's fine. I tipped 400 UAH, because the girls only earn 400 an hour.
We recently had some discussion about ladies taking nave, horny and unsuspecting foreigners to restaurants and clubs where they would then charged huge amounts of money. Here is the link to the Russian version of the report:
https://korrespondent.net/ukraine/4383141-v-kyeve-zaderzhaly-bandu-hrabyvshuui-ynostrantsev
Translation is as follows:
Law enforcement detained 10 men who are suspected of committing robberies against foreigners. Members of the criminal group operated in three entertainment establishments in the center of Kiev, according to the press service of the Office of the Prosecutor General. The criminal group consisted of waiters who gave foreign citizens bills, overinflating them by five or even 10 times.
"If foreigners refused to pay the bill, the members of the criminal group invited them to the administrator's room, where, using violence and psychological pressure, they forced them to pay the bills, and if they refused, they took away their cash, mobile phones and other valuables by force," the message says.
Law enforcement officers detained the organizer of the group, a native of the Russian Federation, an Israeli citizen, who is wanted by Interpol for financial fraud, as well as citizens of Ukraine and Azerbaijan. At the same time, one of the group members turned out to be an employee of the capital's patrol police. Investigative actions are now underway, and the question of choosing their means of detention is being decided. The involvement of members of this criminal group in committing almost 150 attacks on foreigners since the beginning of 2020 is also being investigated, the department added.
While they arrested the men, and good riddance to them, it seems to me that the girls who were the key part of this scam should also somehow be arrested, as well.
BTW, it would help that if anyone on the board was a victim of such a scam to at least name and shame the restaurant or club where this has occurred. They are not mentioned in the article.
PhotoSlider
08-03-21, 01:26
While they arrested the men, and good riddance to them, it seems to me that the girls who were the key part of this scam should also somehow be arrested, as well.Law enforcement doesn't exclude that the girls luring the foreigners in, would also be treated as suspects.
https://www.unian.net/incidents/pochti-150-ogrableniy-inostrancev-v-kieve-obezvredili-bandu-foto-novosti-kieva-11501119.html
Law enforcement doesn't exclude that the girls luring the foreigners in, would also be treated as suspects.
https://www.unian.net/incidents/pochti-150-ogrableniy-inostrancev-v-kieve-obezvredili-bandu-foto-novosti-kieva-11501119.htmlUkraine clearly want to please EU leaders and need to sort and reduce such crime. It is his that girls fear this might happen. I had a week in Kiev and just returned. I will write my detail post soon. In short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. Some aggressive scammers in the kreschatick street but most of the tricks are already mentioned here.
ChronoTrigger
08-04-21, 09:49
Flip. Seems mongering prospects are at an all time low in Lviv, Odessa, and Kiev. Not from lack of trying, the only good results I had was old contacts: A 6.5 in Kiev that let me bareback creampie for 2000 HRV+taxi, and a 7.5 in Odessa that lets me bareback but no creampie for 2000 HRV. Was coming on here to lament, but from the prices and services others are reporting, I feel like I'm boasting. Moral of the story: If you find a good one, keep her.
A year ago I had a 6. 5 in Odessa that let me bareback creampie for 1500 HRV but she decided to play the 'I'm pregnant give me 3000 HRV " so we stopped business.
….. short girls see high demand so the prices have actually gone little up. ….I want to confirm this. In July I was told that the Saudis can now travel visa-free to UA and occupied most of the apartments in Kyiv-centre. I stayed off-centre for the first time, and it was actually OK for my regular friends.
Ivan Buyan
08-04-21, 10:55
Ukraine reformed police few years ago after revolution. Some locals say that nothing has changed but most admit that bribing-the-cops rates went down (though of course it is still possible) and police now works more effectively (since they increased their salaries and try to hire new young motivated people there to minimize the corruption).
The truth Ukraine police has a shit load of things to investigate besides 100 $ scams. Don't forget that Ukraine is on war which brings a lot of negative consequences to the society. Crime rates go up all over the country (especially robbery and theft).
You must be really naive to think Police has resources to investigate single cases of scam in regards to drunk foreigners at local night clubs.
The good thing is Ukraine is doing its best to be friends with EU and attract tourists, so when number of scam cases grow (especially in regards to foreigners), cops will investigate. Also remember that more than 50% of Ukrainians don't trust police which makes its hard to investigate scams cause most Ukrainians won't snitch=).
If you think that restaurants scam is a big issue, then you better know that Ukraine is among top leaders of call center scams in the whole world which is multi billion industry. Just check this article.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article240710551.html
I advise you 3 things.
1) Don't get too drunk.
2) If you see you are being scammed. Call the police immediately (especially if they say you bought and did not pay).
3) Visit only places with good reputation, there's a plenty of them in Kyiv.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57358241
For $250,000 he could f*ck thousands of Ukrainian girls better look and younger than his bride.
How many times we have read the story like this, but it keeps happening again and again. Because for some idiots their cocks rule their head.
There are already tons of Evidence. This is a another recent news in the Newspaper.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9852075/Man-stalked-ex-girlfriend-spending-thousands-spared-jail-doubt-felt-used.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=1490
Dumped 'sugar daddy' spared jail for stalking terrified ex-girlfriend after break-up.
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/dumped-sugar-daddy-spared-jail-5731072
He loaned her 160,000 to help her launch her boutique caf business, gave her a 33,000 Land Rover Discovery and paid her a 2,000-a-month allowance.
160,000 + 33,000 + 2,000-a-month allowance With this sum of money he could visit FKK almost everyday for the the rest of his life.
Guys,
Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.
Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.
My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.
Have you heard of this place?
Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?
Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.
I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.
My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.
Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.
Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.
I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.
PhotoSlider
08-05-21, 03:25
Guys,
Thanks for your help here, which was useful in so many ways over the past and I decided to register here for our trip to Kiev. We'll be there the next days and I guess it will be fun, no matter if some sex is involved or not.
Of course we did some preparation and we have now a couple of girls on our phones.
My favorite is suggesting to go dancing at the Queens Kyiv", which I was googling and of course finding some rip off warnings from customers.
Have you heard of this place?
Where is it good to take the girls maybe after dinner? Do you have a recommendation for a cozy bar / speakeasy with some high class cocktails?
Like I was reading here: Better we choose the place.WinBar in Podol is great for coctails:
Khoryva St, 16/7.
Serves good food as well. Not cheap, but not expensive either. Great for people watching. Older crowd - 25-40 years old.
Definitely good honest people. Ask for a tour of their wine cellar downstairs.
Queen is expensive, but kinda cool. Entertainment and shit:
https://en.queenkyiv.com/
Also honest, but certainly check your itemized receipt, as everywhere in Kiev or New York, or Paris.
Girls like it. I don't care. Prefer Avalon. Is not cheap either, but can be made affordable.
None of the above are for pickup. I have seen Italian boys leaving Avalon totally pissed off. Wrong expectations!
Where to go after dinner? Someone with high IQ recently said here that it is better take the girl to your apartment first, have a glass of champagne, make love to her, then another glass of champagne, followed by BJ or 69 or whatever strikes her fancy, and then 2-3 hours later go for food.
I usually rent my AirBnB next to Avalon, and call them for take out. These days they even do delivery. So my girl doesn't have to dress up, unless we leave for entertainment. Concert, music, theater. Kiev never stops.
To qualify and validate I invite my girls to Puzata Hata, very cheap fast food chain all over the Kiev. If she refuses. Ditch her, and go alone, or find another.
PhotoSlider
08-05-21, 03:34
I've taken the overnight train 8 times over the last 8 years both with a girl and alone. I have stayed in both the 2 birth and 4 birth rooms. I Always felt safe. Not sure how much luggage you have, but if you are in a 2 birth room, there is space for a small bag beneeth your bed and also above the door.
I don't now why you couldn't book both beds in a 2 birth room. You would just have to pay for both.Correct. Buy 2. I used to buy 1, and when the train is already moving, I ask the service person (conductor?) to move me to a vacant one, and pay like half or even less to him / her cash directly.
Did travel with girls as well. Lotsa fun.
Could be faster than a flight.
Lviv or Odessa certainly go by train. Besides it is much better safety than by car or even a bus. Too many accidents on the latter.
The only concern was Ukrainian Customs officer running their bribery extortion plays. I enjoyed it full extent being amused. If you do not cross the border. No worries. It is safe.
The other problem could be noise if someone is drinking. Happens on cheaper trains after soccer / football games. Again, I never experienced that in more expensive suits.
Make sure you choose fast train. And in the end, Ukraine is not that large, you are not traveling through Siberia for days and weeks.
Lucky Nuts
08-05-21, 04:38
I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.
My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.
Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.Last October I took the overnight train from Lviv to Kyiv. Yes it's perfectly safe. Chances are you will have a room to yourself much of the trip so your door will be closed. For part of the trip you might have someone in the other bed. I just kept my backpack with valuables underneath the seat / bed I was sleeping on. Safety was not something I even thought about on the trip. Enjoy!
Last October I took the overnight train from Lviv to Kyiv. Yes it's perfectly safe. Chances are you will have a room to yourself much of the trip so your door will be closed. For part of the trip you might have someone in the other bed. I just kept my backpack with valuables underneath the seat / bed I was sleeping on. Safety was not something I even thought about on the trip. Enjoy!The overnight train just seems like such a great and cost effective solution, you get to visit another city, no need to pay for a hotel room, just take the late train and arrive in the morning ready to monger!
Thanks for the input guys, if I can time things with flights, I'll do the multi city trip with a train transfer, otherwise it'll just be Kyiv.
Ivan Buyan
08-05-21, 12:03
I'm already planning my next excursion for some Kyiv mongering. However this time I plan to visit Lviv first, then onwards to Ivano Frankivsk, then finally landing in Kyiv.
My plan was to take the overnight train from Ivano-Frankivisk to arrive in Kyiv in the morning.
Is it safe for foreigners travelling alone to sleep in the Overnight train? I would of course book a 1st class cabin, but it seems that you cannot book a cabin to yourself.Hey buddy,
First of all. It is super safe and you will never travel alone, there will be people in nearest cabins. I suggestion I always give. Never get drunk with people you don't know cause that's how most scams and thefts start.
I suggest you to do the trick I did several times. Buy all 4/2 sits in the cabin (you can buy all of them on your name, don't forget to cancel bed sheets and drinks for 3 places that will ve vacant, cause they are in the ticket by default and this will make you overpay a bit).
Don't fall for any international train booking sites which will charge you some fee. Always use https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en - this is government resource, its 100% trustworthy and save, has awesome interface and you simply need to save tickets to your smartphone (they will have QR code) which will be scanned by the lady in the train.
Ukrain trains are super cheap but not super comfortable though, I had one trip with my GF and we tried to have sex in the cabin -- not really good idea but may be fun to add it to your collection of unusual places for sex.
Fellows here is my experience of Kiev so far.
Arrived Sunday night. Took 2 hours at airport. Covid test, SIM card queue had 20-25 people. Stress. Airport taxi desk closed. My Uber and Bolt accounts stopped working. Stress. Took bus to center arrived to hotel after midnight. Went for walk pretty quiet in the Center. Went to bed.
Next day met with a local date for dinner. I had matched with 10+ girls but had to filter them. I ignored those who provided shopping list of cosmetics. There were three that seemed like good girls. Lesya 28, beautician, she was nicer than her pics, easily a 7. She didn't ask for cab to come meet me nor did she expect money after dinner. Kisses in restaurant. Going good. I suggested we go to an Irish pub she agreed. Walking past my hotel I said let me show you an amazing view (meaning from my hotel room) but she took it the wrong way and made an excuse to get home as she works next day. Am confused but ok. Next day chatted a bit. Apparently suggesting an amazing view in Ukrainian means showing here you cock! But all ok I clarified that's not what I meant. Second date later today.
After she went home on Monday I visited a salon. 4 girls available two 7's in lineup but seemed bitchy. I took a 6 one for 1500 or 2000 / hour can't remember. Oral with. Great service. Convinced her to do A without any extra charge. Kisses no problem. 500 tip. Satisfied.
Tuesday: Met an old Ukrainian girlfriend Ira of 7 years ago. She's now married. Coffee. Some gentle touches at the cafe. Up to my room. Anal for old times sake. Feel guilty as she's married but fuck it she didn't decline the invite to my room. Cost of a croissant and coffee. CIM deep throat's no problem. Satisfied. Will see her again.
Wednesday: hot day. Phone charger fucked up. Bought new one. On way back to hotel saw a lady MILF looking at me at the hotel car park. She's giving me suggestive looks. I said Hi, she's said she's a tour guide. Cut a long story short 900 for an hour. She stayed 2 hours. Vaginal and anal included. OWO. She asked for 200 extra to give to hotel security. Kept her number chatted on WhatsApp she wants to meet in her apartment with her 25 year old friend. Price 1800 for two girls. Amazing bargain. Still to be scheduled. The friend is a 7 according the vid I was sent.
Wednesday night: having a beer on a terrace. Started chatting to a Ukrainian guy who works in my own country. Started chatting about local women. He goes for 8/9's only showed me pics of his women but he pays 5000+. Drank loads and dinner. He didn't let me pay my side of the bill. Top bloke. After he left went to a terrace bar on Krechatyk. Saw a girl having a drink. Made eye contact. Spoke she wants 3000 uah. I said I'm too drunk for sex maybe another day. She said give me what you can. 1500 one hour in my room 5 minutes away. But no real action after so much vodka and drinks with my new Ukrainian buddy. Went out for walk on Krechatyk. Saw a few girls who are obviously ladies of the night. In the end picked 19 year old. I would say an 8. Agreed 3000 for an hour. Was too drunk but She stayed all night. Owo, anal, kissing no problem. Sex again in the morning before she left.
Thursday. Meeting planned with Lesya and hopefully I will fuck a local non pro tonight.
Having quite a good time here. Enjoy don't t get drunk. Don't let ladies rip you off. Bargain reasonably. So far so good.
ChiGuy3385
08-05-21, 18:13
Fellows here is my experience of Kiev so far.
Having quite a good time here. Enjoy don't t get drunk. Don't let ladies rip you off. Bargain reasonably. So far so good.Are you able to hook up with local Ukrainian women because you speak Ukrainian? Or are these interactions in English. Sorry, I don't know what country you are from.
CallSignRomeo
08-05-21, 22:28
On Tinder just be careful. If you managed to setup a date than invite the girl to the place of your choice and if she's trying to drug you somewhere else than you should cancel the date for your own benefit.Sprkiev21 - First of all thanks for the excellent and detailed report on all things related to what this forum is all about. I have been to Ukraine back and forth for years and I believe your report is correct to the best of my knowledge. The pricing for ladies has steadily increased over the years and more so after EU granted Ukraine schengen access which resulted in ladies plying their trade wherever they believe they can make most money. Another reason is that apartments have gotten more expensive both to buy and to rent in Kiev and the cost of this has been passed inadvertently to end consumers- the Guys. On my recent visit last month one of the apartments near sofievskaya street near centre quoted me 1800 UAH / HR and had selection of 10 girls which got me all excited but 4 were trans, 2 were anorexic, 2 looked very sad and only 2 looked doable who were 6/10 and I'm very generous here. The half decent ones from different places / sites were all looking for 3- 4 K / UAH HR and more and so I called my old friend who was excited to meet me for 2 K and gave my apartment address to her as I know I'm going to have good time with her.
As far as relationship with financial support is concerned you have to be very careful with who you are dealing with as I have interacted with lots of ladies from different sites from normal dating to sugar dating and there are lot of scams even when she presents you ID documents which turned out to be fake or of different person totally. But if anyone is based in Ukraine for long duration of time and can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can have multiple ladies at your disposal.
PhotoSlider
08-06-21, 00:04
Are you able to hook up with local Ukrainian women because you speak Ukrainian? Or are these interactions in English. Sorry, I don't know what country you are from.What is your age, any other contributing factors?
Quite believable story. Girls need to make money before their next semester starts at the University, or whatever is the most pressing need at the moment. Could be as simple as new iPhone model around the corner.
Still, Rugga, be prepared to answer to naysayers. Their usual responses to your success are as follows:
1. You are not telling the whole truth.
2. You overpay.
3. You don't know any better, and settle for low class unworthy etc fat uglies no higher than 5.
4. Why others fail so utterly, and you demonstrate the opposite?
5. It is still more than FKK or Asian Massage Parlor in San Francisco. Why pay for airfare etc.
The truth is for one reason or the other Kiev beauties are attracted to Rugga. Maybe he treats them right, pushes the buttons that make them reciprocate to his passion. I am just thinking aloud.
Thank you for sharing this great report. As always, Kiev demise has been greatly exaggerated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLiX_CK4PFU
If I was in Ukraine, I would go meet this guy.
What is your age, any other contributing factors?
The truth is for one reason or the other Kiev beauties are attracted to Rugga. Maybe he treats them right, pushes the buttons that make them reciprocate to his passion. I am just thinking aloud.
Thank you for sharing this great report. As always, Kiev demise has been greatly exaggerated.Well I do a fair amount of scrutiny before I choose a p4 p girl. I turn down attractive ones for less beautiful. So if I see attitude, bad tone, mean face the I go for the girl who is likely to provide better service.
About dates with normal girls I filter out the ones who are asking me to book them cab fares and I choose my own venue. I mean if she can't go a few km to I see you then do you really want to waste your time with a shark? This keeps out scammers. Check their photos, if she looks like a material girl with Instagram pics in exotic locations then watch out!
My second date with the girl I met on Monday was just perfect. She took me for a beautiful walk on the hills with great views. We walked and walked. Spoke a lot she speaks just about enough English not to make it a weird situation. Had great wine and food. Didn't look at her sexually (or tried not to! I'm confident with women and can kind of "take control" mentally of a younger woman as long as she doesn't have a screw loose. Did suggest having a tea at my room but She wouldn't. But that's a good local girl. I was about to get her a cab back but she refused.
I don't speak fluent Russian, but I've lived and worked in Eastern Europe and most relationships have been with EE girls so I know the culture and the nuances. I look low 30's but am mid 40's and fit. One of my buddies told me just because she won't go to your room doesn't mean she doesn't like you. If she comes on a 2nd or 3rd date she's already yours. Around here good girls think like that! This one is work in progress.
And yeah I don't mind taking a nice sounding girl to expensive place on the 2nd /3rd date. I've got 20+ matches here now but 90% I'm not bothering with. Possibly 2 more dates next couple of days.
Hey buddy,
First of all. It is super safe and you will never travel alone, there will be people in nearest cabins. I suggestion I always give. Never get drunk with people you don't know cause that's how most scams and thefts start.
I suggest you to do the trick I did several times. Buy all 4/2 sits in the cabin (you can buy all of them on your name, don't forget to cancel bed sheets and drinks for 3 places that will ve vacant, cause they are in the ticket by default and this will make you overpay a bit).
Don't fall for any international train booking sites which will charge you some fee. Always use https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en - this is government resource, its 100% trustworthy and save, has awesome interface and you simply need to save tickets to your smartphone (they will have QR code) which will be scanned by the lady in the train.
Ukrain trains are super cheap but not super comfortable though, I had one trip with my GF and we tried to have sex in the cabin -- not really good idea but may be fun to add it to your collection of unusual places for sex.Ukrainian trains were very cheap and empty a few years ago. In the meantime, the cheap tickets are often sold out weeks in advance. Especially in the main season. Try to take the train from Lviv to Odessa in the next few days. There are no tickets or only first class tickets. And first class often costs $ 60 to $ 80. For one direction.
The third class on the sleeper train is not very comfortable. There are no doors and beds have even been installed in the corridors. No privacy. No security. The second class with four beds is much better. The beds below have a lockable box below the lying surface. Suitcases and rucksacks fit in there with no problem. Do not take a compartment near the toilets. People always go through there, there are noises and smells.
In Ukraine it is always worth looking for flight tickets. SkyUp, Wind Rose, Ukraine International. Often there are offers or discount codes. I just booked another flight from Kiev to Lviv today. In three weeks. For 11 dollars (300 UAH). Cheaper than a standard ticket on the express train. Always try to use a VPN network when booking a flight from abroad. Tickets are suddenly cheaper in Ukraine than from abroad.
Buying multiple tickets for one person and in one compartment is not permitted. You might not notice if the train isn't sold out. Or the conductor doesn't care. Or you have to pay the conductor a bribe. Otherwise the conductor may give your bed to someone else on a sold out train.
Supposedly, bar that was busted for overcharging clients was HookaHiTea. At 1:27 of YouTube is a bill for 590975 uah, or about $22055: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRMplapjE90.
Here is the bar's facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/hookahitea.
If you were a victim, Pechersk police is supposedly taking victim reports.
Supposedly, bar that was busted for overcharging clients was HookaHiTea. At 1:27 of YouTube is a bill for 590975 uah, or about $22055: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRMplapjE90.
Here is the bar's facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/hookahitea.
If you were a victim, Pechersk police is supposedly taking victim reports.The same owner or owners have another scam bar called G44 Hookah Bar located at Olesya Honchara 44. FB, Foursquare and other sites with comments also prove that this is exactly the same criminal enterprise that HookaHiTea was.
MasterRochi
08-07-21, 03:51
Hey,
I am thinking about going to Kiev in like a month or 2. What escort websites would you guys recommend where the girls are pretty hot. And price is reasonable. Such as $150 an hour or less.
Ivan Buyan
08-07-21, 08:27
Buying multiple tickets for one person and in one compartment is not permitted. You might not notice if the train isn't sold out. Or the conductor doesn't care. Or you have to pay the conductor a bribe. Otherwise the conductor may give your bed to someone else on a sold out train.It is allowed to do so, just in a tricky way. I did this multiple times and never had conductor selling my beds to anybody else. Just buy 4 beds compartment for 4 different names and later tell that 3 other seats are your friends that did not show up but you have their tickets. Also when you buy tickets from https://booking.uz.gov.ua/en/ you can always see which seats / beds are already sold out.
It is true though that during high season you need to buy tickets in advance and trains will be all sold out (especially to south direction). Also train cars with 4 beds compartments (and cheapest ones that are called Platzkart. Big no-no for me) as a rule will most noisy cause they are number 1 choice for companies who travel together and drink vodka all night.
As for prices. The cheapest prices are on Tuesday and Wednesday, Friday and Sunday. They are the most expensive and Monday, Thursday and Saturday have regular price. I do not know though if they will charge extra when you access the site from non UA IP address. Trains are way cheaper in UA than that in EU but some of them are really old (and you never know how old the train will be if you travel over night), some maybe "shaky" and noisy like they have zero suspension at all.
Planes are the the best no doubt, I would suggest to not fall for buses if you travel long distances (more than 3-4 hours ride) cause many roads are still shit in Ukraine (though thet are actively rebuilding them). One more trick for planes ticker. Use VPN and Android or Windows device (Apple devices are usually extra charged by ticket sellers). For plane tickets my choice is https://en.tripmydream.com/.
If you must take a train, make sure it's first class, not expensive and a much better way to travel. For me the worst thing about train travel is not the train ride itself but the train station, specifically Kiev (pas) main station, I absolutely despise this station, the absolute worst in Ukraine, this station needs a complex overhaul, it was exceptional for 1950 but not now. As as soon as you get off the train you're in the middle of 100's of people all racing to be the first to that narrow hugh flight of stairs. If you're carrying luggage be extremely careful, pick pockets operating in teams are all over this station and they are exceptionally skilled with their crimes, when at this station always be cautious of your belongings.
PhotoSlider
08-08-21, 04:08
Supposedly, bar that was busted for overcharging clients was HookaHiTea. At 1:27 of YouTube is a bill for 590975 uah, or about $22055: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRMplapjE90.
Here is the bar's facebook page: https://m.facebook.com/hookahitea.
If you were a victim, Pechersk police is supposedly taking victim reports.That YouTube video report says girls currently are not subject to prosecution. Either someone paid them off, or they'll be used elsewhere, or maybe both.
PhotoSlider
08-08-21, 04:40
If a woman admits she wants sex, that reduces her sexual power.That's a very good point. "Admits she wants" and "shows she likes" are close semantically.
Please forgive my lengthy rant below, and do not judge too harshly. Stream of consciousness.
In the extreme case where the woman wants sex more than the man, the man has the sexual power. This is acceptable in northern Europe or the USA, because woman have legal, political and economic power in those countries. But in Ukraine, and especially for poor working girls, sex is girls' only source of power, so they guard that power jealously, by pretending not to like sex.I met only a few true nympho girls that wanted more and more non-stop, with multiple orgasms. One was Bogdana of GIA in 2016. The other one was Law School student in San Jose, Costa Rica. That Tica has been counting her orgasms in Spanish. Beautiful, feminine and genuinely sincere young lady.
The rest of the poor working girls mostly do not even pretend. After 4 or 5 customers in the last 6-7 hours they genuinely do not want any sex, and do not like while doing it. Add to this a serious lack of sleep, and you get the idea. For many the source of power doesn't even cross their mind. They waste customer's time in the shower, can I have a smoke, then a pointless chat, where are you from, then quick mechanical motion, are you done honey, cut it short, give me the tip, and GTFO, get to the next one for about 20 bucks into her pocket after all the withholding.
It takes certain skill to take the girls mind out of the above routine. Doesn't always work out, but with some it pays back in spades.
They only relax when they are confident the man will not take advantage of their display of enjoyment, such as by saying "You enjoyed the sex even more than me, so why should I pay you instead of you paying me?" With Photoslider, presumably the girls have confidence that he would not say this or something similar.Most of the time indeed I refrain. Only if the girl tries to upsell, I warn her once not to.
I do not insist too much on widening the spectrum of services beyond the usual half and half. I also never directly ask for those BBBJ, DFK, DATY extras. If the girl hesitates, I simply state that "I will only do what you allow me to do, nothing beyond that. ". I try to gently lead the girl by treating her nicely, seducing her so to speak, and some allow me. I do not enjoy forcing anything against the girl's will, without the mutual consent. And call me naive, but quite a few girls enjoy sex with me. Well, money is certainly part of their enjoyment, especially if it is reliably assumed in the background, and no further discussion is required anymore.
Back in 2019 I had 28 girls in 6 weeks, and more than half of them (17) allowed DATY without extra pay. Only 3 were my regulars. DFK was a slightly lower percentage.
Occasionally I kick out bossy or lazy girls. Again, the key is to identify and weed out those during the curbside casting. But women are good actresses, and some pretenders sneak into my bedroom. Out of 200-300 I literally kicked out maybe 5. Maybe 20% weren't enjoyable. Price of trial and error approach. I do not mind.
Those that behave, I treat nicely, and indeed try to make them feel relaxed. Some are high strung and see everywhere the criminals trying to drug them. They even refuse to drink from the bottle that hasn't been opened in their presence.
If the girl repeatedly insist on upsell, I first say that "Gentlemen do not charge ladies for any pleasures". If she persists with the stupid explanations that I owe her something, I make a mental note to never invite her again.
My own experience is that I often have to force Ukrainian girls (and sexually conservative American girls long ago) to enjoy. Basically, girl lies quietly, then after 25 or so minutes she cannot control herself anymore and involuntarily orgasms when I do. So she can tell herself that it was entirely my decision to make her cum, and since she never expressed any desire for sexual pleasure, she has lost none of her sexual power.With that explanation I agree 200%. My thinking precisely.
I prefer this sort of sex because it lasts longer. (Note that I practice sexual kung fui, and am multi-orgasmic and my orgasms are not ejaculatory. Ability to control my orgasms precisely helps a lot with forcing sexually restrained girls to orgasm.).
Though I'm not actively looking now, I want to thank SprKiev21 for probably the best report this forum has ever had. Only thing I'll add is that you don't have to be connected to that network of pimps he mentioned to get access to lots of non publicly available girls. All you need is to find one semi-pro, treat her nicely, then get her to connect you to her friends. As your reputation spreads, you will soon have your own network. But this does take time.
As for language, my impression is that English levels are rapidly rising. Almost all the young people speak at A2 level now, though they may be shy to admit it because FSU education system teaches students to be terrified of making grammar mistakes. A2 level English plus sign language is plenty enough for mongering. I speak B1 Russian myself (understand B2, read at C1 level).Report by SprKiev21 touches on most of the subjects relevant to this Forum. I would agree with at least 80% of his statements, and certainly had fun reading it. Some of my approach is different, but we are all different, despite certain similarities.
Language is required. English + Russian + Ukrainian. I use a mix of those three. Much more important is man's confidence without arrogance. His realistic expectations, and appearance. Younger and more fit may not pay anything at all. And the more connections you make, the less time you'll have to enjoy all the beauties available to you personally. Double booked happens frequently. Triple booked is not unusual.
Again, sorry that I repeat the same things over and over.
PhotoSlider
08-08-21, 04:57
Well I do a fair amount of scrutiny before I choose a p4 p girl. I turn down attractive ones for less beautiful. So if I see attitude, bad tone, mean face the I go for the girl who is likely to provide better service.
About dates with normal girls I filter out the ones who are asking me to book them cab fares and I choose my own venue. I mean if she can't go a few km to I see you then do you really want to waste your time with a shark? This keeps out scammers. Check their photos, if she looks like a material girl with Instagram pics in exotic locations then watch out!Perfect recipe! Prescriptive methodology for success. I try to do precisely the same, with variations on the theme.
My second date with the girl I met on Monday was just perfect. She took me for a beautiful walk on the hills with great views. We walked and walked. Spoke a lot she speaks just about enough English not to make it a weird situation. Had great wine and food. Didn't look at her sexually (or tried not to! I'm confident with women and can kind of "take control" mentally of a younger woman as long as she doesn't have a screw loose. Did suggest having a tea at my room but She wouldn't. But that's a good local girl. I was about to get her a cab back but she refused.She indicates that she likes you. And to me it is more fun this way rather then screw her right away, and then both go to the next in line.
I don't speak fluent Russian, but I've lived and worked in Eastern Europe and most relationships have been with EE girls so I know the culture and the nuances. I look low 30's but am mid 40's and fit. One of my buddies told me just because she won't go to your room doesn't mean she doesn't like you. If she comes on a 2nd or 3rd date she's already yours. Around here good girls think like that! This one is work in progress.
And yeah I don't mind taking a nice sounding girl to expensive place on the 2nd /3rd date. I've got 20+ matches here now but 90% I'm not bothering with. Possibly 2 more dates next couple of days.Good kiss an hour or two into the first date is also a sign that she already decided on the timeline, and on how the whole scenario will unfold eventually.
Most of the Ukrainian girls expect the man to make the first move. Time permitting, I find a special pleasure in outlasting her anticipation, instead of chasing. It's great to hear on the third date her angelic voice saying: "Where do you live?
The same owner or owners have another scam bar called G44 Hookah Bar located at Olesya Honchara 44. FB, Foursquare and other sites with comments also prove that this is exactly the same criminal enterprise that HookaHiTea was.I was tried to lure to go to a bar at that street near that address. Like 15 meter radius. The girl pointed to this direction as we were walking on the other side of the street, but I'm not sure if she meant the alley to the yard or the bar, of which sign I didn't see from there. I kept on saying I want to go to a good place (my pick from googlemap), but she wasn't happy with it. Then she suggested that I go to a bar across the street (it was different from which she wanted to go). So can't say for sure. But she had a accomplice whom I didn't meet, whom he was in contact with.
I think that Discord could be used to do picture checking when in doubt. Especially in relation to Mamba, but this was from Tinder.
Went out for walk on Krechatyk. Saw a few girls who are obviously ladies of the night.Okay, now I feel dumb. I was supposing that all the pretty 20-something pair of girls were actually sitting on the benches to wait for legit local young guys come to talk to them. But if your ladies weren't dressed like hookers in the 80's Hollywood films, then I just came to the realization that I have no idea what the ladies of the night might look at in Kiev.
Darn.
Another thing considering Rugga's post: he seems to have no problem approaching women on the streets and bars, after an eyecontact, and I would have considered this to be the one ("and only") thing that you'd need in Kiev. With your wallet, of course. There are so many very good looking girls that do this, so if one has no shame then it's just waiting to going to happen eventually.
I would have to agree. Local girls have told me as much. As the original post indicated, Kiev is full of them, usually form turkey, and not necessarily wealthy. Sure, all women love UAE billionaires, but the rest, not so much. On the other hand, I know of a former regular who ended up marrying a Muslim businessman in Kiev. She even has to wear a burqua now! I guess it shows you the extent to which some women will go in exchange of financial security.
This is a big lie, I'm tired to see in Ukrainian dating sites: "Muslims not please" in fact is the only country I have seen in world, were lot of girls write this.
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