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About Tinder. The only place where I have got reasonable matches has been when I have used it in Ukraine. Of course, they are all pros.
I would not be swiping on Tinder when you are not in Ukraine unless you can spoof your location or you go the two phone route. The problem is that girls will see your location is hidden or you are 1000 km and swipe left. This will lower your ranking quickly and will make it super hard to find matches. Once you get to Kyiv, your account will be virtually dead with your low ranking. I would suggest having two Tinder accounts. One for when you are at your home location and one you open up when you arrive with an Ukrainian SIM on a different phone.
Tinder really sucks all the data it can. It knows when you use one phone to open multiple accounts by IP, MEID, Google / Apple account, etc. Be sure to put your location as Kyiv too when remote swiping and when people ask why you are 1000 km away, just say you live in Kyiv but are on business trip. I am 45 and got 40 matches in a couple days in the age range of 22-29 as an average looking dude. I lower my age a little bit and brighten the bags under my eyes a bit in photoshop. Nobody has every said anything when we met in person and I recommend getting those little gel things for under your eyes. They really do help so much.
Hey,
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I am thinking about going to Kiev in like a month or 2. What escort websites would you guys recommend where the girls are pretty hot. And price is reasonable. Such as $150 an hour or less.You may find some luck on international portals. Like eurogirls and that kind of staff. All local sites are full of garbage;- however YMMV. Refer to the big report I posted a couple of weeks ago for more in. Fo. Cheers.
Went out for walk on Krechatyk. Saw a few girls who are obviously ladies of the night. In the end picked 19 year old. I would say an 8. Agreed 3000 for an hour. Was too drunk but She stayed all night. Owo, anal, kissing no problem. Sex again in the morning before she left..Just to be clear, you found a 19 year old 8 streetwalker on K street? [Deleted by Admin]
Hi.
Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.
I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.
Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?
Where does the average local working man go to get his rocks off?
Also anybody recommend a clean, quiet, and safe hotel under $40 ?
Any information is much appreciated. I'll report back on my finding after my trip.
Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?
I've not heard of anything that cheap. I have seen some FBSM ads with those initial prices, but as soon as they know you are not a local, there is not a chance you will pay the cheap rate.
Also anybody recommend a clean, quiet, and safe hotel under $40 ?Bontiak Hotel is well placed and decent quality, although the price is higher than what you are willing to pay. Perhaps you are better off with an AirBNB or Dobovo booking?
Just to be clear, you found a 19 year old 8 streetwalker on K street? Hahaha, I was thinking the same thing. I live here and love the place and think opportunities are incredible, but a 19 year old streetwalker pro on K street that has 8 looks that will do OWO and anal and stay all night for 3000 is pretty incredible. I won't say I doubt it, but I will say that I don't know anyone that has had anything remotely near this experience. Now if he said he picked up a non-pro I would have a little easier time with the concept especially if he looks in his early 30s and is attractive. He is certainly a better man that I am.
Alexandrey77
08-09-21, 13:46
Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?
I'm planning to go in September.
Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.
Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?
Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.
Thank you.
PhotoSlider
08-09-21, 15:38
I look low 30's but am mid 40's and fit...And this is only one of the few advantages that Rugga has.
He knows how to make EE girls comfortable.
3000 for overnight with an 8 is rare, but not unheard of. I did overnight with 8 for 2000 including Greek on the first date and another 9 stayed on the sofa in the living room for free, drunk, gorgeous and sleeping. I was 55 at the time, getting praises on my looks, which I myself do not find extraordinary, but perhaps an average local would be told he is 45. Locals smoke and drink hard liquor, I don't. My quality of life is considerably higher in certain respects.
And this is only one of the few advantages that Rugga has.
He knows how to make EE girls comfortable.
3000 for overnight with an 8 is rare, but not unheard of. I did overnight with 8 for 2000 including Greek on the first date and another 9 stayed on the sofa in the living room for free, drunk, gorgeous and sleeping. I was 55 at the time, getting praises on my looks, which I myself do not find extraordinary, but perhaps an average local would be told he is 45. Locals smoke and drink hard liquor, I don't. My quality of life is considerably higher in certain respects.I can totally believe an attractive girl agreeing to 3000 for an hour and staying overnight. It is the 19 year old "lady of the night" on K street pro with 8 looks agreeing to 3000 for anything that is surprising. K street doesn't have a lot of obvious street walkers and is packed right now. A 19 year old "street walker" with 8 level looks would be getting much better offers and would know their worth. Maybe she just got off the bus...
CallSignRomeo
08-09-21, 19:16
Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?
I'm planning to go in September.
Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.
Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?
Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.
Thank you.Rapid test for incoming passengers from Russia, Ind, UK etc when I visited couple of weeks back was done close to immigration desks at Kiev Zhulany. I believe this process should be similar at borispol. You can use WIFI at the airport and sign up on the verde link they will give you. The whole process takes about 25-30 min depending on the number of passengers waiting to be tested. Pro tip. The immigration official normally sends you to the lab but if you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly speak to the lab lady and get tested before approaching immigration. Check current rules though I think this might have changed for your country.
CallSignRomeo
08-09-21, 19:33
Hi guys, has anyone traveled from the UK to Ukraine recently?
I'm planning to go in September.
Ukraine is on the AMBER list in Englad, so its possible to skip the quarantine for people fully vaccinated on return and in Kiev.
Anyone has done the rapid test at the airport on arrival?
Any piece of advice would be very appreciated.
Thank you.Rapid test for incoming travellers from Ind, Rus, UK etc when I visited few weeks back was done in small room few yards away from immigration desks at Kiev zhulany- I believe it should be similar at borispol. The whole process including results should take 25-30 min but can take lot longer if lot of passengers need this service. You will get a verde link to sign up and enter your details and You can use airport WIFI. P.S. - If you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly approach the lab lady and get tested even before you approach the immigration desks saving you time spent on queuing up just to be sent back to the lab. Obviously check the current rules if a test is required or not.
CallSignRomeo
08-09-21, 19:45
Hi.
Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.
I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.
Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?Please familiarize yourself with the country you are planning to visit. IMHO what you are contemplating is a bad idea. Although I have heard taxi drivers talk about auto service 500 UAH for quick blow job I have not used it personally.
https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/eastern-europe-central-asia/ukraine
PhotoSlider
08-09-21, 20:41
Maybe she just got off the bus...You just answered it.
Maybe off the bus. Maybe she found his accommodations more appealing than her own. Maybe she didn't have a place to stay. That's the beauty of Kiev, great, and even totally unbelievable things happen with higher frequency.
Hi.
Will be in Ukraine (Kiev and Odessa) next week.
I'm not interested in paying escort/strip club prices, I'm looking for bargain basement.
Are there any quick f&k places in Kiev like the 10 euro for 15 minutes rooms in Athens?
Where does the average local working man go to get his rocks off?
Also anybody recommend a clean, quiet, and safe hotel under $40 ?
Any information is much appreciated. I'll report back on my finding after my trip.No, Kiev is quite upscale. I live in Kiev and I can assure you that for visitors the lowest average price for quality stuff is US $150 or so.
Alexandrey77
08-10-21, 12:08
Rapid test for incoming travellers from Ind, Rus, UK etc when I visited few weeks back was done in small room few yards away from immigration desks at Kiev zhulany- I believe it should be similar at borispol. The whole process including results should take 25-30 min but can take lot longer if lot of passengers need this service. You will get a verde link to sign up and enter your details and You can use airport WIFI. P.S. - If you can speak Russian / Ukrainian you can directly approach the lab lady and get tested even before you approach the immigration desks saving you time spent on queuing up just to be sent back to the lab. Obviously check the current rules if a test is required or not.Thank you for the piece of advice, very appreciated.
I speak a little Russian, won't be difficult to explain I need the rapid test because I come from the UK.
Where I can see the lab lady? Are there any direction signs?
Where I can get the "verde" link?
I can totally believe an attractive girl agreeing to 3000 for an hour and staying overnight. It is the 19 year old "lady of the night" on K street pro with 8 looks agreeing to 3000 for anything that is surprising. K street doesn't have a lot of obvious street walkers and is packed right now. A 19 year old "street walker" with 8 level looks would be getting much better offers and would know their worth. Maybe she just got off the bus...Maybe she was a 7 maybe an 8. I always improve the rating if she is under 21. That's just me. No girl is a 9 if she is over 21. I found K st has better options around 3 am. I made her sms me confirming her age just incase! I didn't agree OWO, A, kissing for this price at the time of picking her up. I just agreed one hour. When things got going she didn't protest and stayed all night just to sleep. Anyway she didn't protests second helpings in the morning. Tried to hook up again but either she wasn't free or I wasn't. On my last day she was free but I'd checked out of hotel by midday. Another trick that might help negotiating price down. I notice girls always ask where are you from? I don't tell them I'm from a rich W European capital, I tell them some less well off place. I speak other languages so won't be caught out! LOL.
Last few days I didn't bother with apartments or p4 p. My local "good girl' dates went extremely well I won't go into detail as it has become serious relations now. Can't believe my luck, doesn't happen as easy in my country with so many spoilt brat girls around. Actually had one massage which was amazing, got the girls personal number but didn't call her back. My Ukrainian ex set me up with another date with a "good" girlfriend of hers. First date sat in a terrace in Podil for 3/4 hours consumed huge amounts of booze. This is one classy Ukrainian girl who does crypto and is loaded. Fluent English. Just back from Caribbean. No plastic surgery or boob jobs which is what I like. Would like to award her a 9 but she is 30 yo LOL. She could probably buy me out a few times! Never asked for taxi's or money. Just a few kisses and hand holding no sex but seems to be there for the taking. Only complaint is she is a bit of a feisty cow and doesn't give up on little arguments when drunk. She told me her and her friends stay away from foreigners as most are sex tourists. Time ran out but still messaging.
Another Ukrainan buddy I've known for a few years I was supposed to meet up with his girlfriend and their friends for some drinks. That's code word for introduce me to local pussy. The fucker cancelled last minute. This approach turbo charges your chances as you are being introduced by friends that suspicion barrier is low and trust is there from day one. Because I know some of the local culture and can talk about local stuff I'm kind of "ok" to be seen with + I've got money and yes it matters to even good girls here. Not wanting to brag but to give some context these girls complemented me on my presentation numerous times.
I noticed the busy restaurant street near the ferris wheel has good looking locals getting pissed at weekends. Spoke to a few which could easily be turned into girlfriends but not in a few days. If only there was time to escalate the relations you could have a dozen on the booty call in Kiev. And that is what I found is the problem. You need a few months to be a success here. P4 P not so good for short term visitors and local girls probably impossible if you are here for a short holiday. I'm wondering whether to take some time off and move to Kiev for a few months just to make hay while sun shines! Experience shows places like this don't stay the same and the scene can changes permanently then it will be too late. Kiev is already changed for the worse compared to a few years ago.
No, Kiev is quite upscale. I live in Kiev and I can assure you that for visitors the lowest average price for quality stuff is US $150 or so.London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.
Must be places, I'll search and report back.
Please familiarize yourself with the country you are planning to visit. IMHO what you are contemplating is a bad idea. Although I have heard taxi drivers talk about auto service 500 UAH for quick blow job I have not used it personally.
https://www.avert.org/professionals/hiv-around-world/eastern-europe-central-asia/ukraineHIV is an issue in all pay for play situations, not just fast turnover places. Depends on how clean they are, for example In The Hague 25 girls get through many customers but it is relatively safe because they use condoms and are tested regularly.
What I am trying to find out about is the local scene hence my post.
I've not heard of anything that cheap. I have seen some FBSM ads with those initial prices, but as soon as they know you are not a local, there is not a chance you will pay the cheap rate.
Bontiak Hotel is well placed and decent quality, although the price is higher than what you are willing to pay. Perhaps you are better off with an AirBNB or Dobovo booking?Thank you for the information, I'll see what I can discover and report back.
PhotoSlider
08-10-21, 18:52
You need a few months to be a success here. P4 P not so good for short term visitors and local girls probably impossible if you are here for a short holiday. I'm wondering whether to take some time off and move to Kiev for a few months just to make hay while sun shines! Experience shows places like this don't stay the same and the scene can changes permanently then it will be too late. Kiev is already changed for the worse compared to a few years ago.Golden words!
Kiev keeps changing constantly into the new again and again. Never been cheap for me, but I am not going for bargain prices. If it's free or affordable, I'll take it. But I also have sufficient funds.
I loved it in 2003, it's been great in 2008 during the River Palace era, then slowly evolved to my best ever in 2018-2019.6 weeks visit in 2019 was actually cheaper overall than some of my 10 days flybys in the past. Because I was taken for a local. In that respect I do not see Kiev will ever change its ways, will always be different from the west. Cultural traditions as reflected in classic literature at least over the last two centuries reproduce the same behavior within the local circles. That's what attracts me.
And Rugga success IMO is due to his confidence. My impression he has no doubts that he deserves the best, and he gets it more than supposed to happen on average. Ukrainian women do not like doubts and uncertainty in the male behavior. Indeed, some of the girls that I dated in Kiev amazed to the point of me pinching myself. Am I in a dream? And this gorgeous woman, is she indeed in my arms right now, kissing me passionately and already naked, ready for more? I never questioned if I am good enough to have that kind. This approach doesn't work with pro girls at the Arena, but I do not go there. Those are not my target audience.
Going back to your intention to spend more time in Kiev. 3-4 weeks is barely enough. By the week 3 I started to establish good rapport with decent girls, and the inevitable departure was looming in my mind. 6 weeks was much easier on my psyche. The best modus operandi was 4 long visits over 12-14 months with stays ranging from 3 to 6 weeks, and a total of 20 weeks. Then the girls take you for local, and it's a totally different game. No money can buy their trust. Ukrainian girls attitude is simple, as has been formulated by someone here before, maybe by Riina. Can this man improve the quality of my life? Is he better than my other options?
And yeah, sure one can get highway truck stop lizards on the outskirts of the city, those are cheap. But we are not looking at those. My local friends in Kiev aren't for sure.
Anyway, great to read realistic healthy report from the ground.
London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.
Must be places, I'll search and report back.Ukrgo is where independents advertise to locals. I don't use the site myself and you probably need Russian or Ukrainian skills:
http://ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146
Following is local review site, which is incredibly difficult to navigate, so I am linking to one review, for 800/500, or presumably $29/ hour, $19/ half-hour. So there's your cheap blow and go. Guy wrote a short novella about his experience and appears satisfied (I skipped to the conclusion and didn't read the entire novella):
http://www.kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?p=1238
This is a report for a trip that was in Mid July and I was there in Kiev only for a week. So it was short trip which clearly was focused on old mamasan contact, clubs, stripclubs and nightclubs.
I do not want to repeat the stuff that most of the good contributors have already mentioned. So just some highlights and hope that it would help few others.
1) There are lot of tourists from Arab countries, with deep pockets I guess and it seems the girls got used to prefer them as they are sure that these Arabs came with deep pockets.
There is certain change in attitude in general from many of them and of course the prices of the girls and services have gone little up. Still in average, lower prices than western Europe prices of my experience. These Arabs seems to be picking up the top available girls from everywhere. Nightclubs, stripclubs, pros in other areas etc, but seem to be leaving out 7's and 6's. Never have I seen girls with 6 and 7 body wise so much desperate as there are no other tourist from other countries to entertain them. This is based on two experiences, one in the stripclub and the other in the erotic massage place where both were 7's (my scale relative to my mileage).
2) Taxi guys are aggressive in terms of approaching me and the scammers with throwing the money bundle seems to have increased (or probably I was lucky for that entertainment) but I did not bite any bait.
3) I had 5 different girls with an average price of 5000 UAH for two hours from this broker. One of them suddenly became extremely flirty to super boring mechanical sex in a heartbeat. It was like a split personality or whatever but I have not done anything wrong to correct myself, so no learning and no good sex was waste of money.
4 other girls were amazing as I normally spend 30 minutes or more to just make them feel relaxed and make them feel super comfortable. They gave me GFE experience later with one of them staying overnight for no additional price.
The Princess stripclub experience was good. I went there with no intentional to bring back anyone, but after spending 3-4 hours with this girl "Aanastisia" (if I am spelling it right?
When I went there, I told extremely politely and with respect to the girls approaching me and asking for lapdance that I am going to be there in the club for a while and I am NOT going to make the main rain, but also I am not going to be cheap at all. Many of them just went back except this girl. She just smiled and sat next to me and She did not request any lapdances, she did not force me to buy drinks, she seemed like she just want to sit and talk and have a good day with me. We started talking, and slowly I started ordering normal drinks and then hookah and then food and she started talking about the behind the scenes details of other girls, I started tipping girls who were really enjoying the dance they were performing. I normally go to stripclubs and see the girls as just someone doing their job as normal as other jobs. These girls put a lot of effort into this kind of setup so I respect them (not in a way that they can misuse my respect).
After 4 hours around 2 am, she asked me to take her home. I asked the price and she it is 400 USD and the manager came. She then talked to him in Russian and came back to me telling to give me 300 USD. Probably she renegotiated it for me or it was 300 USD to begin with I do not know or do not care. She did not wanted to have my extra 100 USD which I already said yes to (lots of drinks in me and she gained my trust as a human).
Now when we reached our apartment, she was quite high too, she gave me the best sex of Kiev (and it was high standard to beat my old good experiences). We did not sleep until 7 am and when we woke up again in the evening at 4 pm, she kissed me as if it was her last day to live and she left.
That is some good experience.
The show around girls were just show around girls. But I was not expecting anything to happen due to lack of time that I needed to invest to get any fruitful results with them.
I am a very confident person, and I know what I want at what price range, so it is not easy to scam me. I am also careful and can to a great extend understand when a girl is trying too hard to gain my trust. But for those who are not so confident in the scene, there might be few unpleasant hiccups.
What others say about scams, bad experience is very believable, but I strongly believe that those are because you are portraying yourself as a desperate tourist. The energy and confidence of a man is visible to many.
I had few drinks in me now, so its time for me to rest. Stay safe my friends and be confident out there.
FYI: I have no issues crossing the immigration as I have a green EU covid certificate. I stayed in US for 3 months and came back to Norway so I took Jansen vaccine in US which is only 1 shot to get the EU pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zSlpqw4IU4
This youtuber jumped in to help a scam victim in Odessa. That's a man, he's going to get pussy in Ukraine.
Hi all,
So. First visit of 2 weeks in Kiev for a non Russian speaker to visit the city and find a nice girl. I can't say I go first for girls, but I pay attention to them of course.
I didn't go through agencies or online adv, I only played dating apps.
Tinder is a big waste of time, 2 contacts with no results. But one interesting discussion with a girl who had a good situation and a head. She said the dating scene in Kiev is very big, but she recognized it's also fucked due to a lot of stupid bikini girls. The kind of beautiful girls who want a luxury life for free and without effort. It was hard for her to find someone "honest" and interested by her.
Mamba. A lot of contact and some great contacts. Also some nice scams.
To do short - 2 amazing girls, beginning of 20's. A small brunette with nice blue eyes, 2 hours meetings for 4500 uah, it was 2 hours of sex without a break. This girl has a job and do sometimes some extra for shopping. I will meet her again with pleasure.
The second one was a nice blonde, she was also looking for a bit of money, but suddenly no more answer. A few days after she said it was not a good idea, she never did that before and it's not the best way to fix her problem.
I said it can be smart, like sexfriends. I will offer also some chocolates. A few hours after, she agreed for a meeting, without asking a price for money. You gave what you want she told me. We met 2 times, first was 2 hours meeting for 4500 + presents, the second one was restaurant +1 h for 2500.
This blonde girl was absolutely amazing, after the shy time, very good experience and her body was just perfect. Boobs, ass, legs. Really.
I also do the scam restaurant experience, 2 times. The first time I followed just to have a look, as I declined the night drink to meet the girl in daytime. I paid 1 glass and I left. One week after, another girl, same process. And same car. A brand new Mercedes. I politely declined to follow.
I also do a short visit to princess strip club, nice place but I would say I was no impressed by the girls in after my 2 mambas girls, I even didn't tried to date one of them. I just enjoyed the show and do a few lapdance.
I can also add that Kiev is full of amazing girls everywhere, if it was possible I can say I would date maybe 25% of the girls / ladies I saw in the street. A real eyes pleasure.
One advantage of Kiev is that everybody has a phone in hands, and nobody pays attention to that. It's really easy to take notes, do a picture or a screenshot for a map apps to remember or check later.
I will go again in this city for sure.
So then guys, I will be visiting Kyiv again in a few weeks and this time I'd like to take a regular to the Opera or Theater. The requirement however is the establishment must have a private box so I can book this for the 2 of us and get a discreet handjob during the performance when the lights are dimmed.
Does anyone know of a theater or opera house that has those kind of seats? I don't care what the production is, since I do not understand Ukrainian / Russian anyhow.
So then guys, I will be visiting Kyiv again in a few weeks and this time I'd like to take a regular to the Opera or Theater. The requirement however is the establishment must have a private box so I can book this for the 2 of us and get a discreet handjob during the performance when the lights are dimmed.
Does anyone know of a theater or opera house that has those kind of seats? I don't care what the production is, since I do not understand Ukrainian / Russian anyhow.https://opera.com.ua/about/plan-zali
If you're a local guy who speaks the language, it's your season. And bully for you if you also happen to be young, financially ok, and good-looking to boot. But in a word, this old bird just ain't the same. It may be a jewel city, but it's not the magical place I fell head over heels for back in '19.
Not for lack of sex, but socially speaking, the quality of companionship is dogshit.
It was a long 3 weeks, and I have 1 more month to go. If not for my contact from before, I probably would've tapped out.
So far I've only had sex 4 times with 3 different girls at 2 different incalls. Through the contact ofc. Each one was incall to meet. Can't give location because I don't know the exact street numbers.
Bonnie - 21 yo lovely redhead spinner, all natural, no tattoos, very demure. Regular usual session details, had to work my way to making out. Really nice BBBJ to finish for tip. 2000/ HR incall + 500 tip (my choice).
Erica - 19 yo blonde out of a 90's video, all natural, no tattoos, new to the biz, short, and cute. Regular usual session details, warm person but no making out. 4000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi (non-negotiable).
Bonnie again - Pussy is loose as hell but I like her) this was a golden session, nonstop passion for 1. 5 hrs. 3000 outcall + 100 taxi + 1000 tip (my surprise).
Sveta - Stunning blonde spinner, all natural, no tattoos, lady gaga look-a-like. Regular usual session details, cold person (part of that might've been my fault) and no making out, but great in bed. 3000/ HR outcall + 300 taxi.
I'm going to get back out there again, maybe tomorrow, I don't know. Actually I had a long diagnostic style report written out about Kiev '21 but in reviewing it, I realize I've been demoralized, so I need to be mindful.
If not for my contact from before, I probably would've tapped out.
Can you please share a link to your contact?
After 4 hours around 2 am, she asked me to take her home. I asked the price and she it is 400 USD and the manager came. She then talked to him in Russian and came back to me telling to give me 300 USD. Probably she renegotiated it for me or it was 300 USD to begin with I do not know or do not care. She did not wanted to have my extra 100 USD which I already said yes to (lots of drinks in me and she gained my trust as a human).Good job man. $300 is a standard price across all cubs. But these days it's not easy to pull out a good looking girl even for this price)) I've also got lucky at Princes few months ago and that was a pleasant surprise case Princes used to be a shit-hole and now look much better. Have you visited Rio by any chase? Just curious about your opinion (if you did).
London and Paris are upscale also. I get those prices there. What I was looking for is local information. You can be sure the local hornet male on modest wages are not paying American prices.
Must be places, I'll search and report back.If you're looking for cheap sex than you better get English-speaking driver by arena who will take you to apartments. Just tell him that your budget should not exceed $50 per hour so he'll drive you to few shit-hole places so you may find something that fits the bill. Keep in mind. You will not get anything decent in Kiev for less than $150 - and don't even hope that I'm joking.
You can try ukrgo only if you speak Russian and the local guys use this site a lot to get laid, but 90% postings on ukrgo will lead you back to the same cheap apartments or massage places with below-average looking girls.
Ukrgo is where independents advertise to locals. I don't use the site myself and you probably need Russian or Ukrainian skills:
http://ukrgo.com/view_subsection.php?id_subsection=146
Following is local review site, which is incredibly difficult to navigate, so I am linking to one review, for 800/500, or presumably $29/ hour, $19/ half-hour. So there's your cheap blow and go. Guy wrote a short novella about his experience and appears satisfied (I skipped to the conclusion and didn't read the entire novella):
http://www.kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?p=1238Kiev-x. In. Even for guys who don't speak any Russian it's still a great resource because 99.9% of reports on this site are very negative (but truthful)) so if you google phone number for a girl and this site pops up. That simply means a red flag. Local guys do not have any tendency to share positive experiences with each other and mostly visiting girls under $100 hour so the truth is that you will not get any pretty girl for this price.
Lucky Nuts
08-13-21, 05:18
If you're a local guy who speaks the language, it's your season. And bully for you if you also happen to be young, financially ok, and good-looking to boot. But in a word, this old bird just ain't the same. It may be a jewel city, but it's not the magical place I fell head over heels for back in '19.
I'm going to get back out there again, maybe tomorrow, I don't know. Actually I had a long diagnostic style report written out about Kiev '21 but in reviewing it, I realize I've been demoralized, so I need to be mindful.Yesterday I talked via whatsapp with an agent in Kyiv that I've known for a while. He said he knows of about 7 or 8 apartments still open. I will share his contact info with you if you want it ShawMan. Or with any other member who has contributed significantly to the ISG forums. PM me.
Can you please share a link to your contact?There's no link, it's a personal contact.
Yesterday I talked via whatsapp with an agent in Kyiv that I've known for a while. He said he knows of about 7 or 8 apartments still open. I will share his contact info with you if you want it ShawMan. Or with any other member who has contributed significantly to the ISG forums. PM me.Yes please, I would like that. Maybe he can help me with finding something more GFE / str with the possibility of LTR.
I think that's been my problem. I know that I'm here for the long haul, and I plan on being a familiar face here for years to come. The quick cold mechanical professional is for horny college kids who have a little less than a week here and about a week's worth of allowance saved up. Her objective is to get the experience over with as soon as possible so as to save her make-up and her energy for the next customer. A job shop mentality screws me over for the kind of value I bring to the table. I deserve a deeper, more committed quality. And that's what's demoralized me.
Well 3 weeks may be lost but I still have 4 more in the chamber, and them's fightin' odds! Down but not out!
Yes, but the thing is that an "average looking girl" in Kiev is absolutely fantastic compared to the average looking girl in any major city in, say, North America. Obesity is not a major problem and femininity is still important. So, they are beautiful, slim, and elegant. Second, some people might prefer amateurs over $400/ hour hard core professionals. As some girls have explained to me, most women are opportunistic semi-pros. If they do have sex, why not get paid for it. I have had girls introduce me to friends, younger friends (a friend's daughter, almost like a niece) , and even older friends (a work collogue or family friend). All these girls have jobs and earn a regular salary. If they like you even a little and earn less than 20 K UAH per month, a couple of thousand UAH is a good added incentive for something that they enjoy anyways. Of course, you have to treat them well, have some charm, and not be too disgusting.
So, just to summarize everything that's been described earlier. I'm not really discouraging you for visiting Kiev. Perhaps if your expectations are on the realistic side than you still may succeed in fucking average looking girls for 2500 UAH per hour. But even if you're ready to spend big bucks to have a good time there is no guarantee that you'll get what you want. Yes there were times long back (almost 20 years ago) when Ukraine and Russia where like epicenters of European mongering and there were hundreds of girls available for a reasonable price. But those times have gone long time ago and today you have much better option getting Ukrainian girl from an escort agency in Paris, Rome, London or Toronto for 300 $-500 $ than if you did the same in Kiev. Specifically, if you're visiting Kiev for a short period of time then your only options are GIA, Apartment and Strip Clubs. You may only succeed in the long-term game trying to find girls of your dreams or whatever but it's more like finding a needle in a haystack.
What is with this deal of paying "for taxi"? Why would transportation be charged separately? How about hair? Makeup? The dress? Lingerie? Why stop at "taxi" and not get an itemized bill? It is ridiculous! Transportation is part of the cost of doing business. Besides, unless they are hardened pros and use the service's driver, they probably do not even use a taxi. They use the Metro, just like every other pretty girl in town. I sometimes have offered them to send them my limo, but the offer has always been declined. No, I do not have a limo, but I was confident they would not go for it. I suppose I could have ordered a limo service, or just a private car, but I have never had to do so. There is no such thing as "taxi". It is just part of the cost of doing business. Insist on an all inclusive price.
Yes please, I would like that. Maybe he can help me with finding something more GFE / str with the possibility of LTR.
I think that's been my problem. I know that I'm here for the long haul, and I plan on being a familiar face here for years to come. The quick cold mechanical professional is for horny college kids who have a little less than a week here and about a week's worth of allowance saved up. Her objective is to get the experience over with as soon as possible so as to save her make-up and her energy for the next customer. A job shop mentality screws me over for the kind of value I bring to the table. I deserve a deeper, more committed quality. And that's what's demoralized me.
Well 3 weeks may be lost but I still have 4 more in the chamber, and them's fightin' odds! Down but not out!Hi ShawMan74, We met when you were here in 2019. IMO, what you are seeking is not an uncommon desire among sex tourists, but for whatever reason, doesn't get discussed much in this forum, and doesn't get properly discussed in any forums. Basically, sounds like you want a sugar baby (babies), probably non-exclusive since you're here only part time. There are sugar baby forums / reddits out there, but they tend to be USA focused and not really applicable to Kyiv.
My own approach was run through a bunch of escorts until I found a keeper, then just see her frequently for years on end. However, given changes in Kyiv over the past few years, that might no longer be the best approach.
I know you have a music / dance interest. IMO, the most satisfying LTR for you is likely to be one that develops organically from that interest. My impression is that poor girls (majority) are going to feel resentful if they don't get money or other material benefits after sex with a foreigner who is 20+ years older. So better to deal with the money issue up front instead of trying to get free sex then waiting until the girl acts resentful. On the other hand, it gives a very bad impression if an older foreigner goes to a civilian-oriented music / dance venue and starts offering money to every girl he likes.
Probably best to wait until girl expresses interest in relationship even after you clearly explain that you're just a tourist who occasionally visits Kyiv, then say something like: "You know, when older foreign men go with much younger girls, then usually give the girl a gift afterwards. But of course if that offends you, I wouldn't do it. " If stated tactfully like that, she probably wouldn't gossip to her friends, regardless of what happens.
Shawman74, you don't use Mamba? As you are in Kiev, you could do the following:
1. Buy the subscription for a week.
2. Upload your best pictures, verify profile and write to the bio something that says you are in Kiev. I guess there should be more text, but I apparently suck with bios so I won't say more.
3. Set your parameters and use the swiping / match making. If a girl checks your profile, she will see that you are looking for younger company.
4. The trick is that on e you have paid subscription, you can access the girls profile from the swipe-app. So each time you see something you like and she has been recently online. Less than a week. You can check if she accepts messages from your age group. Then you can message her.
5. When sending a message, I used a copy-pastable line that informed that I'm in the city and I have xxx amount of money for fun per day. Some replied, some not, one "bikini blond" told that I should double that to 200. But nevertheless, I suspect that with right kind of words and pictures this approach might work as good as it could. Non-english speakers can say yes after initial 'I don't speak English' if you just say it's ok and state the compensation per hour.
These girls don't have to use calendars, so first meeting might be the hardest to arrange. The pics in Mamba are generally fakes, at least those that are searchable through the 'near you' section. The swiping thing shows a lot more girls.
what you are seeking is not an uncommon desire among sex tourists, but for whatever reason, doesn't get discussed much in this forum, and doesn't get properly discussed in any forums. Basically, sounds like you want a sugar baby (babies), probably non-exclusive since you're here only part time.
My own approach was run through a bunch of escorts until I found a keeper, then just see her frequently for years on end. However, given changes in Kyiv over the past few years, that might no longer be the best approach.
I know you have a music / dance interest. IMO, the most satisfying LTR for you is likely to be one that develops organically from that interest. Thank you so much Kozerog, that DOES make me feel better. The fact that bars / clubs are closed through summer for pandemic protocols (for those that don't know) doesn't help. Club heaven is closed through summer. There was an underground rave in podil a couple of weeks ago but that was some lgbt thing with face control, it seemed like a big hassle so I opted out. I guess if I really wanted it bad enough I could've hired a cabby to walk in with me as my "date" HAHA.
I even brought my glowsticks, 3 weeks in and packages are still unopened. And sad.
Well I signed up for DJ lessons later in the week so maybe I can pick the instructor's brain and see where the scene's at (if there is one). That's part of it too, everything is closed / dried up, there's no scene here. I don't even have a point from which to build upon for the next go-'round. Everything I started from 2019 is washed out and I haven't yet found a point I can start back from again. Granted it took me a couple of weeks to get started in 2019, but here in 2021 I feel like I don't have enough time left in front of me once I find a point from which I can start to build around again.
Shawman74, you don't use Mamba?
I've tried Mamba, Keksik, and Tinder, all to grand failure. Tinder worked last time but apparently its been completely abandoned (or compromised). The one and only tinder match I had turned out to be a scammer that was about to attempt a plunder had fate not intervened and obstructed the meetup. These local apps have regional filters on them that prevent signup / engagement or page translation.
i even looked at that OMG app but noticed a disturbing number of pics that matched Tinder profiles (that are fraudulent).
to be fair, Tinder "worked" in 2019 once i got the hang of how the system works over here. but like i said before the old bird ain't what she used to be, i don't think there's even a system to speak of anymore.
Member #4722
08-13-21, 16:55
Thank you so much Kozerog, that DOES make me feel better. The fact that bars / clubs are closed through summer for pandemic protocols (for those that don't know) doesn't help. Club heaven is closed through summer. There was an underground rave in podil a couple of weeks ago but that was some lgbt thing with face control, it seemed like a big hassle so I opted out. I guess if I really wanted it bad enough I could've hired a cabby to walk in with me as my "date" HAHA.
I even brought my glowsticks, 3 weeks in and packages are still unopened. And sad.
Well I signed up for DJ lessons later in the week so maybe I can pick the instructor's brain and see where the scene's at (if there is one). That's part of it too, everything is closed / dried up, there's no scene here. I don't even have a point from which to build upon for the next go-'round. Everything I started from 2019 is washed out and I haven't yet found a point I can start back from again. Granted it took me a couple of weeks to get started in 2019, but here in 2021 I feel like I don't have enough time left in front of me once I find a point from which I can start to build around again.Desin gave you all the info you need for success on Mamba. I can't understand how people are having trouble finding dates as I had more prospects than I had time in three weeks. Only two that were 7 or above but all bangable.
I gave you some contacts in 2019 which you didn't use so hesitant to repeat and waste my time. Also told you about the music scene. There was literally a huge electronic festival in the woods last weekend. The biggest electronic music festival in Kyiv starts today. Leave the glow sticks at home as they don't do that here and you probably won't get past face control. There is a crazy amount of music events going on all around the city on weekends but not much during the week.
Unless things have changed in two weeks, bars stay open until 12 but many keep serving until 2-3. Big clubs like Hangover and Caribbean are open until morning. Never been to Heaven but I have seen them posting events on Facebook.
The fact that bars / clubs are closed through summer for pandemic protocolsYour scene is different from mine. My scene has been open since last July, on a speakeasy basis back during the lockdowns, back in full swing since the last lockdown ended in May of this year. Of course, it is summer now. Lots of students leave town for summer and year-round residents often take vacations in summer.
Desin gave you all the info you need for success on Mamba. I can't understand how people are having trouble finding dates as I had more prospects than I had time in three weeks. Only two that were 7 or above but all bangable.
I gave you some contacts in 2019 which you didn't use so hesitant to repeat and waste my time. Also told you about the music scene. There was literally a huge electronic festival in the woods last weekend. The biggest electronic music festival in Kyiv starts today. Leave the glow sticks at home as they don't do that here and you probably won't get past face control. There is a crazy amount of music events going on all around the city on weekends but not much during the week.
Unless things have changed in two weeks, bars stay open until 12 but many keep serving until 2-3. Big clubs like Hangover and Caribbean are open until morning. Never been to Heaven but I have seen them posting events on Facebook.I'll try playing with mamba some more, who knows it might even start panning out for me. If anything comes out of that I'll mention it.
Do you have a link for the festivals? I had no idea about that one in the woods, or even the one going on right now. THANKS!
P.S. Sorry for being "that guy" at the raves with the glowsticks. I can't help myself haha.
Kiev-x. In. Even for guys who don't speak any Russian it's still a great resource because 99.9% of reports on this site are very negative (but truthful)) so if you google phone number for a girl and this site pops up. That simply means a red flag. Local guys do not have any tendency to share positive experiences with each other and mostly visiting girls under $100 hour so the truth is that you will not get any pretty girl for this price.Given the following post http://kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=370&sid=7745dbe4107bbdb1b56affb6b4b33b1b.
The site, as the whole country is in a desperate need of a moderator.
Claro Que Si
08-15-21, 01:44
Given the following post http://kiev-x.in/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=370&sid=7745dbe4107bbdb1b56affb6b4b33b1b.
The site, as the whole country is in a desperate need of a moderator.I strongly disagree. Nothing wrong with that post.
PhotoSlider
08-16-21, 03:28
I gave you some contacts in 2019 which you didn't use so hesitant to repeat and waste my time.When I was in Kiev, I did not have time to post on ISG Forum here.
ShawMan74, you can jerk off while away from Kiev. Trial and error is the only way on the ground to find the acceptable candidates and succeed. That's how Rog123 got his share of beauties.
Ivan Buyan
08-16-21, 11:05
So it was a tough weekend for my body.
OMG organized a secret summer party at a cool pent house in the center of Kyiv (I've been there before during NY party) but this time things were a lot better.
Around 30 high end escort girls (80% of which are super hot and pretty girls even for Ukraine) + pretty hot OMG female support team + around 20 men from all over the world and very few from Kyiv.
Good vibes, good alcohol, hookahs, good food and lots of fun and sex.
It reminded me of the students years party on "money" steroids. I love events that give me flashbacks of my reckless early 20-s.
Should admit that first I was a bit sceptical about the entrance price that has been increased since the last party but then I totally undertsood why it was worth it.
1) Free contacts. I made friends with awesome hookers and saw them "in action" at a very reasonable price cause most of them were horny (alcohol + coke did the trick).
I expected to take some home but was super drunk and tired at the end of the party and called taxi at around 4 am.
2) Met some really cool guys who are business men, crypto brokers, IT guys and so on.
Things I did not like though:
1) There were couple "animals" on coke who are local and who did spoil vibes a little but without any aggression though but acted way too arrogant.
2) Music. They had a kind of DJ bit it was useless and noone really danced. I enjoy watching girls move but this time almost noone danced.
All in all everything was awesome and I hope next party will be bigger, louder and more crazy and I would not get that drunk. I totally recommend it for all who doesn't mind spending some $$ over the night.
PhilLanderr
08-16-21, 15:35
Should admit that first I was a bit sceptical about the entrance price that has been increased since the last party but then I totally undertsood why it was worth it.Now that sounds like my kinda party! So how much was it? And how the hell did you find out about it?
PhotoSlider
08-16-21, 17:25
I made friends with awesome hookers and saw them "in action" at a very reasonable price cause most of them were horny (alcohol + coke did the trick).It is good, Ivan, that you honestly stated the drugs were part of the event. They probably paid off the protection cover fee to police, yet I am curious, - what is the jail term for doing coke in Ukraine? Could they force anybody to take a test if busted?
I've heard there are regular lingerie fashion shows. Also attended myself the show with jerseys of the biggest football clubs modeled by young ladies with nothing else on them, etc. Kiev is as vibrant as ever.
Should admit that first I was a bit sceptical about the entrance price that has been increased since the last party but then I totally undertsood why it was worth it.
How much was it?
I strongly disagree. Nothing wrong with that post.Just another handle to put on Ignore List. As to the nature to what was wrong with the related post, I would suggest to start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
Claro Que Si
08-17-21, 00:46
Just another handle to put on Ignore List. As to the nature to what was wrong with the related post, I would suggest to start here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trialsYou blindly believe everything that they teach you, don't you?
You blindly believe everything that they teach you, don't you?The atrocities were some of the best documented in history. I know people that both lived through and witnessed these atrocities (but I guess you would not consider them atrocities). Yes, I believe them because the huge volume of forensic, photographic, documentary, and eye-witness accounts are almost overwhelming in establishing that these things occurred. In fact, many that participated in committing the atrocities admitted to them. And if you support that post, then you clearly not only believe in the atrocities, you support them. NAZI sympathizers and anyone that supports them are the worst kind of garbage.
NAZI sympathizers and anyone that supports them are the worst kind of garbage.Agree, I do not want to associate with Nazi scum.
Ivan Buyan
08-17-21, 11:37
You blindly believe everything that they teach you, don't you?I do not want to argue over the history but. Are you serious?
I don't want to see anything of that kind on this beloved forum that is all about sex and good time.
For me and my people it was a tragedy. I believe this dude is just a nasty fake news spammer who appeared out of nowhere with links to some old Kiev forum which is full of broke losers and unmoderated fake info posts.
Is there a "report button" to make moderators take a closer look at this dude and wipe him away?
Ivan Buyan
08-17-21, 12:06
It is good, Ivan, that you honestly stated the drugs were part of the event. They probably paid off the protection cover fee to police, yet I am curious, - what is the jail term for doing coke in Ukraine? Could they force anybody to take a test if busted?
I've heard there are regular lingerie fashion shows. Also attended myself the show with jerseys of the biggest football clubs modeled by young ladies with nothing else on them, etc. Kiev is as vibrant as ever.Hey guys,
I hope this answer covers few questions I got in regards to my last post.
1) Where I found out about the party. OMG announces almost all their parties here https://t.me/ohmygirlseng but some parties are only for loyal customers and you get invited to them in a privtae message from their support team. To become a loyal customer you need. You guessed it it right SPEND MONEY inside their app / bot.
2) The prices were - $300 if you want to pay alcohol separately on the bar and $500 for unlimited alcohol.
3) Drugs (coke, weed and MDMA is what I saw there) - I want to state it clearly that noone was dealing drugs there and official party rules did not allow any drugs, but rich people (check entrance prices above) party with coke all over the world. It is a big no-no in Ukraine since even weed is illegal here. Few words though. Noone was taking drugs openly on the public but rest rooms were full of people doing them. The party was inside a huge apartment, so it was not a public place that's why police simply could not get in for no reason.
Things I want to share about drugs in Ukraine (I really hope you don't take them but in case you do, this info may be useful).
A) In case you are busted high as a scyscrapper on weed / speed / acid or anything else. If you are not driving and don't have anything on you, nothing will happen. Do not play a cowboy but simply say that you found something and you consumed it. They can not take you to jail or fine you for being high but! If you were driving under influence, then you may have serious troubles. I can only advice to call your lawyer.
B) If you are busted high and you have something on you. If "something" is weed, you may try to play a full and tell you did not know it was illegal in UA and you need to take it againt pain (or you have a condition) and simply try to "solve the issue=bribe" here, without going to police station. It may work out cause having under 5 g of weed in Ukraine is not a criminal offense in Ukraine BUT police corruption always has 2 sides. 1 side. You can try to bribe and it will work, 2nd side. Police will add more amount to your joint and will try to make a shit load of money out of you. So its up to you and how you feel the situtation. My only advice. Don't play a cowboy.
C) You are busted with coke / mdma / pills / amphetamine or any other heavier shit. If it is coke. Boom, you are a money bag. Coke is 150-200 dollar a gram in Kyiv and chances are you are busted by true cops who will not try to make you pay a huge bribe and will take you to the station and only God knows what is going to happen there, but in most cases, they will try to make you pay here and now.
It all may sound scary but the truth is. I never saw police stoping people for now reason (especially foreigners partying in above average clubs / restaurants). Just use common sense and don't roll with pockets full of drugs (especially drunk or high), don't smoke weed openly in public places.
Few more words about coke. If you are offered something under 150 dollar a gram, then 99,99% this will be some amphetamine or other shit which will be keeping you awake for 24+ hours and I offer you to keep away from it since noone knows how they make this shit (it is very popular among prostitutes).
P.S. I have no idea where to buy drugs, please don't ask me these questions.
I planning to go Kiev early September. Any one that knows how hotel works during covid time? Is it possible to bring girls to the room or is it restrictions due to covid. My plan is Radisson.
PhotoSlider
08-18-21, 04:29
...I never saw police stopping people for no reason (especially foreigners partying in above average clubs / restaurants). Just use common sense and don't roll with pockets full of drugs (especially drunk or high), don't smoke weed openly in public places...Police does stop, even foreigners. Not that much lately, but in the past some unlucky foreigners in the middle of K street asked police for directions, policemen suggested to give them a ride. Those guys boarded the police vehicle, and then guess what, got locked up for awhile, and bribe extortion unfolded.
Yeah, the best advice you gave, don't play a cowboy. Ukraine is not Netherlands.
Have a phone number of your Embassy programmed in the mobile. Call right away, and start talking in the foreign language, even if it's an answering machine.
I planning to go Kiev early September. Any one that knows how hotel works during covid time? Is it possible to bring girls to the room or is it restrictions due to covid. My plan is Radisson.I was there last year in a hotel during high covid season, there was no problem bringing girls in. Worst case scenario, grease the palm of the security.
If it was a big concern, you should've booked an AirBnB or Dobovo apartment instead. If you have the chance to cancel, you might want to do this to preempt any possible issues.
Hi fellow mongers,
I had to come to Kiev again on an unplanned trip. The phone number I had along with the dispatcher number that Photoslider gave are no more functional. I got a bit bored of massages and stripclubs. So, I need some help from anyone who feels generous enough to PM me a functional number where I can call and ask to send few girls to select. Thanks in advance and if anything interesting happens, I will surely report it here.
DramaFree11
08-19-21, 00:10
Hi fellow mongers,
I had to come to Kiev again on an unplanned trip. The phone number I had along with the dispatcher number that Photoslider gave are no more functional. I got a bit bored of massages and stripclubs. So, I need some help from anyone who feels generous enough to PM me a functional number where I can call and ask to send few girls to select. Thanks in advance and if anything interesting happens, I will surely report it here.What a shock. Bad information from P.S. This should be expected.
PhotoSlider
08-19-21, 04:40
Hi fellow mongers,
I had to come to Kiev again on an unplanned trip. The phone number I had along with the dispatcher number that Photoslider gave are no more functional. I got a bit bored of massages and stripclubs. So, I need some help from anyone who feels generous enough to PM me a functional number where I can call and ask to send few girls to select. Thanks in advance and if anything interesting happens, I will surely report it here.It has been stated on this forum that many if not most of the apartments have been shut down.
Not sure when I gave you the number, perhaps 3-4 years ago. No hard feelings at all, as I am sure you realize that nothing is forever in Kiev, and that's the beauty of it.
Yet, "Just when I thought I was out. They pull me back in!" I retired 6 of my regulars since April, and today 3 others materialized out of the thin air and messaged me. One was barely 18 from long time ago, one is ballerina, and one is a barber girl. That latter one I want to fuck oh so badly, I almost sense it physically. The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use, then she had her own adventures, and now is a civilian. The other two are civilians for sure, always been. So more the reason to pursue.
Anyway, best of luck in your endeavors!
What a shock. Bad information from P.S. This should be expected.Not sure if you framed the sentence to provoke someone, but does not sound healthy. PhotoSlider helped me out with this dispatcher number which I used a lot before the pandemic. After the pandemic, I got busy with semi pros, stripclubs and massage parlors so never got the chance or mood to use it. They most likely got a new number as there are tons of tourists here in Kiev.
Hi guys,
I will be in Kiev next week and I'm looking for a massage parlor where I can choose the girl, and there oral is offered. Though not necessarily full service. I only speak English. Can anybody (please) make any recommendations? Thanks so much.
PhotoSlider
08-30-21, 04:53
Hi guys,
I will be in Kiev next week and I'm looking for a massage parlor where I can choose the girl, and there oral is offered. Though not necessarily full service. I only speak English. Can anybody (please) make any recommendations? Thanks so much.AFAIK, Kiev is not the right city for that kind of request / service. Maybe there are apartments, where the girls will do both. Massage and the blowjob, NP. But none of the businesses specifically advertised as massage would do oral on-site. Maybe unofficial cuni, if you are lucky, but not a blowjob.
Happy end AKA a hand job, or jerking you off, is typical for those establishments, but why bother? You can do the same yourself, maybe even better. And if you add more money, you can even have full service in the comfort of your own apartment.
English is not much of a problem over messengers like Viber and WhatsApp, but it may result in a higher billing rate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen!
Thanks. Can you tell me how I can find an "apartment" where I have a choice of girls?
AFAIK, Kiev is not the right city for that kind of request / service. Maybe there are apartments, where the girls will do both. Massage and the blowjob, NP. But none of the businesses specifically advertised as massage would do oral on-site. Maybe unofficial cuni, if you are lucky, but not a blowjob.
Happy end AKA a hand job, or jerking you off, is typical for those establishments, but why bother? You can do the same yourself, maybe even better. And if you add more money, you can even have full service in the comfort of your own apartment.
English is not much of a problem over messengers like Viber and WhatsApp, but it may result in a higher billing rate.
Correct me if I'm wrong, gentlemen!
PhotoSlider
08-30-21, 22:15
Thanks. Can you tell me how I can find an "apartment" where I have a choice of girls?Seems you are sexually mature already. Read back 25-50 pages on this Forum, then trial and error. No food would be pre-digested / regurgitated for you.
Price for massage and a blow job would be most likely the same as a full service. At least so I was told while being completely drunk, and ordering the girl for an outcall. I told the dispatcher (via Viber), that I am unlikely to have the actual classic intercourse. Dispatcher responded with:
- Well, same price anyway. Are you OK with that?
And I asked:
- How long for the delivery of two casting candidates please?
Ended up having the beautiful blonde doggie style anyway, because she skillfully raised me from the dead.
Thanks..https://keksik.net/a/w6b2D1o9
This one will come to your apartment, give you a very decent massage, done in a professional manner, not a half hearted scrape of the fingers, after which handjob, blowjob or full service is available. You can make the booking via Telegram (in russian) and she speaks a little english.
PhotoSlider
08-31-21, 19:55
https://keksik.net/a/w6b2D1o9
This one will come to your apartment, give you a very decent massage, done in a professional manner, not a half hearted scrape of the fingers, after which handjob, blowjob or full service is available. You can make the booking via Telegram (in russian) and she speaks a little english.Tastes certainly differ, and keksik or ukrgo would surely have a wide spectrum of offerings based on age preference, services, provider honesty and work ethics, etc.
Somehow I do not find Kiev being prescriptive. It is more like fly fishing. One day you have the best time of your life, and the next, no matter how hard you try, nothing bites.
Trial and error, just like mongering anywhere else around the globe.
Hi guys,
Just a quick post to tell you about my lack of success (so far). I decided to go for some erotic massages over my time here. Mainly because there seem to be so many inexpensive options and I want a line up sow I can choose my girl.
I did my homework and was in touch via WhatsApp with one place (fiesta massage) before I even arrived. They seemed great and answered my questions in good English. I expected to go there on my first night but when I arrived they stopped answering WhatsApp and didn't take calls!
I switched to Relax Massage. This was tricky to find but I did get there. I picked a tall beautiful woman with short cropped white hair. I paid extra for a shower with her (2100 in total). The shower was nice but cramped and not especially sexy. The massage was slow and perfectly nice but also not especially erotic. She then moved to to erotic part after I turned over. It was. Again - perfectly nice but nothing special and I certainly didn't feel like we had any connection. Her English was poor which of course didn't help. All in all 6/10 - could do better.
Next night I booked with Redlight Massage. A bit tricky to arrange because I had to call them and then they whatsapped me back from a new number. I picked a young slim beautiful girl (Yulia) who smiled at me sweetly and paid 1100. I thought I was going to include a shower with her but she didn't join. The massage was about 10 minutes on my back having my calves rubbed and then about 10 minutes more on my front. This part was great. She straddled me, cupped my balls and looked into my eyes as she kept me on the edge. But the whole thing was far too quick. I was out the door less than 40 minutes after I arrived and that included another shower at the end. 5/10.
I will hope for better another time.
PhotoSlider
09-01-21, 02:50
They seemed great and answered my questions in good English. I expected to go there on my first night but when I arrived they stopped answering WhatsApp and didn't take calls!I am still chatting with the girl who I met through that Relax massage. She told me with a great smile and pride in her voice:
- Yeah, we worked when we wanted. And when we didn't want to, we simply shut down the whole shop and left, no matter what officially posted schedule was!
Ukrainians are definitely not Germans when it comes to discipline. But I was lucky to have her, no regrets. That happened in June 2014, when I had a 36 hours stopover in Kiev between Athens and Amsterdam, and managed to squeeze in 6 girls, including a nice threesome in the end. On the last call we had 4 girls in my apartment for me and my friend. First he ordered 2, but I didn't like either, he picked one, and the other one decided to stick around. Then I ordered 2 more, same story, except the better girl that I chose politely said:
- Let's take her with us in the bedroom. It's not good to leave her behind.
And I thought what the hell! Let's try. Turned out great.
Anyway, apologies for going on the tangent yet again. The point I tried to make, Ukrainian massage parlors do not adhere to any particular schedule. But at least 3 of my best regulars I picked at Relax, Topless, and another massage place that is long time gone. The approach is simple: if it works, great, try to get her phone number to date outside, and pay less. If it doesn't, no worries, try a different girl, and keep trying until I hit the good one.
If time is limited, do not go to Kiev.
Somehow I do not find Kiev being prescriptive. It is more like fly fishing. One day you have the best time of your life, and the next, no matter how hard you try, nothing bites..This is very true and accurately summarises my experience.
Well I had a better experience today. I found Eva on RelaxKiev - https://relaxkiev.com/en/41929.
It is her (or somebody like her) in the photos. She communicated quickly via WhatsApp and she speaks pretty decent English. I met her at her apartment and paid for an hour (3000). She was bubbly and fun and we had a shower together then several positions on the bed. Including two I had never tried before (It was passionate and fun and she seemed to be into it.
The only downside was that I paid for an hour was but in and out in less than 40 minutes.
Still it was much better than my other experiences. 7/10. I would repeat.
Hi guys,
Just a quick post to tell you about my lack of success (so far). I decided to go for some erotic massages over my time here. Mainly because there seem to be so many inexpensive options and I want a line up sow I can choose my girl.
I did my homework and was in touch via WhatsApp with one place (fiesta massage) before I even arrived. They seemed great and answered my questions in good English. I expected to go there on my first night but when I arrived they stopped answering WhatsApp and didn't take calls!
I switched to Relax Massage. This was tricky to find but I did get there. I picked a tall beautiful woman with short cropped white hair. I paid extra for a shower with her (2100 in total). The shower was nice but cramped and not especially sexy. The massage was slow and perfectly nice but also not especially erotic. She then moved to to erotic part after I turned over. It was. Again - perfectly nice but nothing special and I certainly didn't feel like we had any connection. Her English was poor which of course didn't help. All in all 6/10 - could do better..
CheckItOut1337
09-02-21, 12:37
So in just a few days I will travel to Kyiv with some friends. I met a girl on Tinder, I would give her a 7 in the looks department. Cute but not super hot but that doesn't bother me. We talked a few times and she send me quite a few pictures and video that all seem legit unlike 95% you can find on other sites. She offered to visit including fun time (we talked about the details) for a little support (2300 for 3 h). My plan is now to do a videocall with her when I am in the city, pick her up at the subway station or some public sight, grab a tea or coffee somewhere for a shot chat and then bring her back to my place.
What are your thoughts and how would you proceed here to make sure she is for real and not a scammer?
This is few weeks old report as I did not manage to get time to write it. Some tiny tiny details might be lost but most of the details are intact.
First day I went to princess stripclub near the maiden. This option as many times mentioned is only for those who are feeling that their pockets are heavy enough to throw away some money just to explore this option. This stripclub had many quality girl and the moment I went in, they gave me a table. Entrance is 400 I think and you do not need to pay first as all the payment is done in the end. After watching couple of songs with all the talent dancing, I asked the girl whose name sounded like "Rabdana". She was pretty, young and with right amount of curves at the right places to my liking. I ordered some food, Wine for her and few drinks for me and the talking started. I told her the first thing "Rabdana, I am not desperate to have sex, I want to have a nice slow and fun evening with a fun company. If you want to have a fun night, with decent earnings with me, then just relax and have fun drinking talking, eating and smoking. " She looked at me for 10 seconds and said "I will have to tell the other guy who is waiting for me that I am unavailable today". That reply told me that she understood what I said. The whole night I spent a the amount equal to three lapdances in Norway but apparently equal quite a lot in Ukraine. I know, the argument of not spoiling the girls, but I was there not as sex desperate but to enjoy the company of girls and drink. In the end there were three girls, we ordered hookah, some food and drinks and there were two club managers ladies that day who just came now and then to chat, I ordered lapdance with two girls but the third girl came in for free. I sucked their nipples as if there was a last drop of juice of immortality stuck inside them and they loved it. The hookah makes me a bit dizzy as I am not a smoker so I left early at 2 AM. Slept without sex, but just having sex without other fun is boring.
Day 2.
I went to couple (three) of erotic massages, just google it and it will show you a map of every massage place. One of them stand out which VIP erotic massage behind the Mac Donalds on the Khreschatyk street. The reception lady was trying to sell 2500 UAH stuff, but I said I wanted 1800 UAH stuff because I was predecided to give 500 UAH tip if the girl allows to let me touch her more than other allow it. She said her name was Lillia said she is 18 but looked 20, very firm body maybe 5'6'. We showered together, blah blah blah and then when the massage started, I gave her 500 UAH telling her that I want to finger her. She said no to finger but light touch. Slowly 30 minutes into the massage she was in 69 position and I started to finger her. There was 0 resistance to it. She was also slowly starting to get wet and when the pussy eventually get wet, you know she is enjoying it too. Then I started to press her anal hole with the other hand's finger and again 0 resistance. Surprised but what the heck, I continued. I normally do not like anal or fingering there as I do not know if it is clean or not, but she was very ready for that kind of action. In the end I was sweating fingering in two holes with a lot of enthusiasm and she screamed to climax. The reception lady knocked the door shouting "no touching." Yeah right. I finished soon after and fucking shit in my head that I kissed her bye, thanking but did not take her number. Fuck, donno what was going on in my head then. Rest of the night was hanging out at some clubs and bars with a show around girl who turned out to be useless pro with no wibes. I do not seem desperate with anyone but she was more focused in getting me to expensive restaurants and bars which I always do from my work. I booked her to show me more hidden places which I do not visit often on business trips.
Day 3 and 4.
Met a girl in Puzata hata when she laughed looking at table where I had three bowls of borscht soup along with other stuff. What can I do? I drain so much juices in these trips and I love this soup. The moment she smiled and sat next to my table, I knew that I need to take her back. I showed my finger to the seat opposite to me on the same table and she took the bait. Easy peasy.
Nothing much happened that day with Aline (not her real name) as she is a keeper now. We walked here and there and talked with her broken English. But exchanged numbers and promised to meet next day but she kissed like a lover to say bye (surprised again as I was not expecting it but ill take it). Next day after lunch at 11 mirrors or something we went back to my place and there was a lot of sex and ordering food and sex and ordering food until 8 PM. It seemed like she felt it as a holiday getaway and I was having the time of my life. She said she had to leave at 8 and I slipped her 4000 UAH which is nothing to what I experienced. Her genuine attempt to show that she is not for money was cute, but of course in the end she took it. Her attempt to portray herself as she did not do this for money was very cute and entertaining. Maybe she didn't, maybe she did, who cares, I need to keep her happy and make her to look forward to come to me again in a heartbeat when I message her. That predictability costs me something, and I am totally fine with it.
Need to go now, so will cover the rest later. Sorry.
Also, Thanks to all the generous members who replied to my query for contacts. Thank you very much. I could not materialize most of it, but I took the contacts. More info later.
Final report for my trip. I visited Retro Salon and met "Linda" for a "VIP express" massage. This was 90 minutes and included a bottle of far-too-sweet-but-gets-more-palatable-as-you-drink-it bubble stuff which I shared with her as well as a shower with her. The room had the shower in it which was great because it saves the awkward walking about the place with a towel.
We took the full 90 minutes. Linda didn't speak much English but we got by with the aid of Google translate. She was sexy and slow with the massage and I got the massage and caress her. It was great. I asked if she might offer oral but that was politely turned down.
All in all a really nice experience - 8/10. Would have been even better if extras had been on offer.
One other thing. I made an appointment via WhatsApp but they made me wait outside the door for quite a while. Like 10 mins. I was about to give up when they finally opened the door.
CheckItOut1337
09-04-21, 21:50
Has anyone tried sexbombua before? Pictures seem fake to me so I am skeptical.
Raj Chopra1976
09-05-21, 11:43
Appreciate your efforts sir.
Apartments. For many years there used to be around 30 apartments around city center (tochka) managed by 1 guy (Vasya) with a price range of 1500 4000 UAH. My 2 favorite places was 42 Vasilkovskaya and 13 Kreschatik. This business model had collapsed about a year ago, but not due to COVID. One of my friends told me that Vasya had to give up or sell this business to get local officials of his back so as of today there are only 10 locations and under "new management" the quality of girls went downhill dramatically. I've visited 5 places and none of the girls looked above 5. For many years some local Kiev girls come work in apartments to raise some cash overnight. Or girls from other cities for start-up in capital city and Now it looks like all apartments are stuffed with average looking "village" type of girls. I mean not ugly but also not fuckable to my standards. So, my Apartment Score = zero.
Tips for newbies:..
DramaFree11
09-12-21, 07:20
In the last 2 weeks, 2 people have texted me asking me for help finding girls in Kiev. Kiev has sucked for many years, please read my reports.
Others lie and claim Kiev is this paradise. Kiev is very average at best.
The guys that lie and exaggerate should be ashamed of themselves.
Hello,
This is my first post, however I have been reading this forum sporadically for several years.
I am just writing to mention my experiences in Kiev strip clubs, namely Rio and Princess.
I was not looking for take out, just to spend my evening looking at beautiful ladies.
For other newbies in the forum, the strips clubs in Kiev are very professional and as long as you are not an idiot and follow the very simple rules, you probably won't have a problem.
So, Thursday evening, I had dinner and drinks in the city and headed to Rio to close the evening. There were around 20 ladies, most average to good looking. They looked like they were having fun and were friends with each other, which is a huge plus for me. The ladies dance one song and move to the next station (there were 3 stations in total). Because it was early, they all congregated at the last station and were chatting, dancing and generally enjoying their evening. The bar manager was very helpful, professional and looked kind of fun. I liked him. I had a private dance with a half-Armenian lady which was the most fun of all girls. Two drinks and a private. Total damage with entrance and tips was 2000 uah. Not bad for a fun night out.
On the Friday, I visited Princess. I was astonished! There were many ladies well above average and 2-3 stunners that I was literally left with my mouth open. The drinks are way more expensive and I didn't do a private dance. I will go again tonight though for a few drinks and a private to close my Kyiv vacation.
If you are reading this post and have not been to Kyiv, please come. It's an amazing city in itself and is worth visiting.
On the Friday, I visited Princess. I was astonished! There were many ladies well above average and 2-3 stunners that I was literally left with my mouth open. The drinks are way more expensive and I didn't do a private dance. I will go again tonight though for a few drinks and a private to close my Kyiv vacation.Problem in princess is that cabins were private dances are done, look so dark, then you cannot enjoy the view of the girl, also some girls said me there are cameras in this cabins.
In the last 2 weeks, 2 people have texted me asking me for help finding girls in Kiev. Kiev has sucked for many years, please read my reports.
Others lie and claim Kiev is this paradise. Kiev is very average at best.
The guys that lie and exaggerate should be ashamed of themselves.I won't fight with you but as a newbie, with my first trip in Kiev in August I can say Kiev is amazing, it's not difficult at all to find girls, and if I compare with what we have in France or Luxembourg, these girls are beautiful and not expensive at all.
A nice looking Ukrainian girl will ask at least 300€/ h + options, you can rise easily 500/€ for this type or girl, so in Ukraine when a girl asks 50-80/ hour, that's fine for me.
I was not here when the girl were at 30€/ hour, and I was not here 25 years ago when Ukraine started to open, but it still worth the time and money.
Of course if you want to spend max 5€ for a girl, I strongly suggest you to move to Africa, in non touristic countries, where girls come to you for nothing.
Don't see any offense, but which type of men ask for help and can't find a girl in Kiev? When I read here a guy asking if he must carry à 5 or 10 K€ watch with an Armani costume, I laugh.
The man wants to buy a girl? Sorry it's not the good country. You call them prostitute? Sorry again wrong country. You should go to Amsterdam or Germany in a FKK.
I have this kind of men at work. Especially in financial companies. The guy has a 100 k€ company car, a nice watch, the latest iPhone full option but this guy is not able to change by himself the password of the email system on his phone, and at least once per week doesn't remember the login / password of his computer.
So what? Money doesn't help to be smart and intelligent.
I even meet a girl, beginning of 20's, amazing body, not a sex machine but very good in and out of bed, who doesn't give me a price.
She came and asked me to help her for the price I want. And the second meeting was the same, she came, I gave what I wanted and the girl was also happy with, and some good chocolate.
I will meet her again with pleasure in a few weeks.
This is the report of a newbie.
Hi,
I am back in Kiev the 2nd time. I had quite a few salon contacts the last time I was here in December 2020. However all the numbers are changed. Can anyone provide me with some new numbers or point me in the direction of a website I can find it. Thanks. I prefer salons than strip club because its easier to choose the girls.
Problem in princess is that cabins were private dances are done, look so dark, then you cannot enjoy the view of the girl, also some girls said me there are cameras in this cabins.I did a few privates a few weeks ago, with a slim, short dark air, girl from this club.
That's right, light is not perfect but I've experienced in other clubs smaller and less comfortable places for private.
A good point, the girl can choose the songs, and girls are performing well even in private.
I was not sure if the girl wanted / could be touched during the dances, it was she who came to get my hands to put them on her.
Member #4722
09-13-21, 10:30
In the last 2 weeks, 2 people have texted me asking me for help finding girls in Kiev. Kiev has sucked for many years, please read my reports.
Others lie and claim Kiev is this paradise. Kiev is very average at best.
The guys that lie and exaggerate should be ashamed of themselves.Why would anyone ask you for contacts in Kyiv when you haven't been there in about 10 years LOL.
Member #4722
09-13-21, 19:22
Problem in princess is that cabins were private dances are done, look so dark, then you cannot enjoy the view of the girl, also some girls said me there are cameras in this cabins.I always direct them to the furthest room in the back. It has very nice lighting and an S&M setup.
PhotoSlider
09-14-21, 04:30
I always direct them to the furthest room in the back. It has very nice lighting and an S&M setup.So if you slap the girl on the ass there, would the management object? I mean slap her lovingly, but maybe noticeably loud, so that her beautiful derriere would have a little more intense shade of pink than usual when both of you leave.
Hi guys,
First message here!
I have been reading a bit for the past few days (still missing last 40 pages, but information was really interesting so far).
To make story short, I was virgin until recently and met a Ukrainian escort in Paris a month ago. She worked with an agency, and the hourly rate was 250 e (not cheap: the, from what I know from another French monger this agency should take at least a 50% cut). But I was kind of hooked, and I proposed to see her for 1 week for 3 Ke in her city (Odessa), and she accepted. After having read what you guys wrote, I now think perhaps I should have asked for more.
Do you think I should re-negotiate? (I mean in this case, I think she made a consequent amount of money in Paris, so if I push too much I kind of fear she just cancel everything).
(I posted here since this thread seems to be most active one related to Ukraine).
So, after having read the more recent pages, I came to the conclusion, my price was probably fair given economic change happening in Ukraine. (Also I don't really want to come as cheap).
Hi guys,
First message here!
I have been reading a bit for the past few days (still missing last 40 pages, but information was really interesting so far).
To make story short, I was virgin until recently and met a Ukrainian escort in Paris a month ago. She worked with an agency, and the hourly rate was 250 e (not cheap: the, from what I know from another French monger this agency should take at least a 50% cut). But I was kind of hooked, and I proposed to see her for 1 week for 3 Ke in her city (Odessa), and she accepted. After having read what you guys wrote, I now think perhaps I should have asked for more.
Do you think I should re-negotiate? (I mean in this case, I think she made a consequent amount of money in Paris, so if I push too much I kind of fear she just cancel everything).
(I posted here since this thread seems to be most active one related to Ukraine).I don't know if you read after of before offering this money, but you are just an idiot, maybe a rich idiot. Medium salary in Kiev is 600 $ per month, and less in Odessa. You offered her 5 months of income.
Of course if you try to renegotiate now she must kick you out, but once more you are wrong for this amount of money.
For 3 k I can fly to Kiev, rent an apartment in city center for 2 weeks and find a lot of girls. Non professional, beginning of 20's ask around 50-80€/ h. You can have a lot, and a pizza in Kiev costs 3€.
For 250 in Paris I don't think the girl swallowed or allowed anal. A full course is more 400-500 with such girl.
so if I push too much I kind of fear she just cancel everything).
You need to stop thinking like this. If she just cancels everything, you save €3000 plus your time and energy, she gets nothing. €3000 is good money in both France and Ukraine. Assuming you are not abusive, you are the prize, not some pussy attached to a pretty face and young body (and maybe a brain with something interesting to say). You can look at pretty faces for free anywhere, young bodies neither rare nor expensive to rent and roughly 50% of the population has a pussy, so pussies are definitely not rare.
Do you think I should re-negotiate? (I mean in this case, I think she made a consequent amount of money in Paris, so if I push too much I kind of fear she just cancel everything).
(I posted here since this thread seems to be most active one related to Ukraine).Take this advice from an experienced monger:
Don't negotiate too hard on price, if you're not prepared to pay the asking price, just move on, there are 100's of other girls just as good and perhaps better to be found.
What often happens when you negotiate down the price is that the escort will likely be somewhat bitter going in to the meet, you'll end up paying the money and having a shit time. A lose-lose situation (for you).
There are many excellent girls to be rented in Kyiv, I suggest that you come and check out the scene.
Negotiating a price and not paying a highly inflated price are two different things, know what the going rate is for the market and make decisions from there. For example, I was recently quoted $500 from a Mamba MILF in Kyiv, I laughed in her face and blocked her.
Negotiating a price and not paying a highly inflated price are two different things, know what the going rate is for the market and make decisions from there. For example, I was recently quoted $500 from a Mamba MILF in Kyiv, I laughed in her face and blocked her.I've had 3 different girls that were nothing special quote exactly a $500 rate recently. It makes me wonder where they are getting this.
I've had 3 different girls that were nothing special quote exactly a $500 rate recently. It makes me wonder where they are getting this.Not from us at least!
In the last 2 weeks, 2 people have texted me asking me for help finding girls in Kiev. Kiev has sucked for many years, please read my reports.
Others lie and claim Kiev is this paradise. Kiev is very average at best.
The guys that lie and exaggerate should be ashamed of themselves.Unfortunately. Have to agree with DramaFree11 statement. 80% I should say. I Just came back from another business travel to Ukraine)) Visited Kiev, Lviv and Odessa. Kiev. Not much difference from my prior reports back in June. So there is nothing to add. The only good time I've had is with my old contacts whom I've known for years and who will not be visiting me for less than $200 added 1 new girl to my list. Extremely pretty but the damage is $500 (it's all worth it comparing to prices in New York). Odessa is booming, but not for mongers. Hundreds of pretty girls but not for sale. I've spent 7 nights in Odessa and only had sex 2 times. 1 from Mamba for $300 (a cute girl from Kharkiv) and 1 my old contact from Kiev who had happen to be in Odessa at that time. I mean there are some working apartments and MP in Odessa but the quality of girls is far below average. Take out available in few Strip clubs for $300 but not for the best girls. Arkadia and other noisy places are full of scam. Lviv. Don't have any comments here. My suggestion for mongers just stay away or be ready to spend big $$$ . I mean some guys may get lucky to get a pretty college student or a sexy soccer mom for 2000 UAH. Well, it may take years for you to find one)) I mean I don't want to discourage you from from visiting Kiev or any other places in Ukraine. I just want you to be realistic about what you can get for your bucks. And yes I do believe in "Cinderella" story but most likely she will be average looking. All good looking "Cinderellas" are normally not for sale or charging you $300 +++ per hour.
Hi,
I am back in Kiev the 2nd time. I had quite a few salon contacts the last time I was here in December 2020. However all the numbers are changed. Can anyone provide me with some new numbers or point me in the direction of a website I can find it. Thanks. I prefer salons than strip club because its easier to choose the girls.Most of them simply shut down or relocated. Grab a driver by arena. He'll take you there. Do not look for anything cheaper than $100 cause everything else it's just a waist of time. (depending on your preferences of cause).
Problem in princess is that cabins were private dances are done, look so dark, then you cannot enjoy the view of the girl, also some girls said me there are cameras in this cabins.Agree. Another problem is that the most good looking girls (cheer-leadres) will not be available for take out. However overall. Visiting Princes was a pleasant surprise for me as they've gotten much better under new management (used to be a shit-hole few years ago).
MarkyMark12
09-16-21, 19:24
Hello everyone,
So I was thinking about visiting Kiev however, I was wondering if it is overhyped. I live in Germany, where brothels are abundant and decently priced. Is Kiev worth the trip over, and are the quality of women and price worth the trip? I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague) but was wondering if Kiev is any better.
I did a few privates a few weeks ago, with a slim, short dark air, girl from this club.
That's right, light is not perfect but I've experienced in other clubs smaller and less comfortable places for private.
A good point, the girl can choose the songs, and girls are performing well even in private.
I was not sure if the girl wanted / could be touched during the dances, it was she who came to get my hands to put them on her.Of course she can be touched during dance, is the best part of this!
I always direct them to the furthest room in the back. It has very nice lighting and an S&M setup.Didn't know that, I will try my next time in the club, I see you became an expert in princess stripclub, due to all the times we went there;-p.
Hello everyone,
So I was thinking about visiting Kiev however, I was wondering if it is overhyped. I live in Germany, where brothels are abundant and decently priced. Is Kiev worth the trip over, and are the quality of women and price worth the trip? I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague) but was wondering if Kiev is any better.I don't like to say it, but you already live in the sex paradise of Europe. If you just want sex, Germany is cheap and the choice of girls is very large. It may be worse in Bavaria. But in Frankfurt or North Rhine-Westphalia there is a selection that Kiev cannot keep up with.
Prague or Tallinn? You should have gone there 20 or 15 years ago. Kiev has not been a real paradise for at least 10 years. Or at least since then, Ukrainians have been able to travel to Europe without a visa.
If you want parties, restaurants and nightlife, then Kiev is still good. But here, too, I've seen better times. In the past: Gangsters always partied. Each night. Today's IT people have to work and get up early. Clubs are empty or closed during the weekdays.
Many visitors to this forum come from countries where paid sex is very expensive or almost non-existent. For these people, Kiev is paradise. It is obvious. But when you visit one German Fkk Club you will see more naked meat than in Kiev in a whole week.
PhotoSlider
09-17-21, 01:36
You need to stop thinking like this. If she just cancels everything, you save 3000 plus your time and energy, she gets nothing. 3000 is good money in both France and Ukraine. Assuming you are not abusive, you are the prize, not some pussy attached to a pretty face and young body (and maybe a brain with something interesting to say). You can look at pretty faces for free anywhere, young bodies neither rare nor expensive to rent and roughly 50% of the population has a pussy, so pussies are definitely not rare.That's the best advice!
You already have doubts. Your object of admiration will sense it, doesn't matter if you restart negotiations or not. Ukrainian girls prefer confident lovers. If you negotiate down, her service will be poor. If you don't, you'd be unhappy, and then again, her service will be poor.
I would cancel anybody remote who you never met before, and research the market while on the ground. Scan through 15 girls. 3000 euro will allow you to do that. At least 5 of them will be good, give or take. 2 or 3 will be great. Maybe 1 will agree longer term. $500 for 2-3 nights with great girls coming to Kiev from outside is not unheard of. Even if it's 1000 or 1500, but you'd be happy, thinking you didn't overpay, and you'd have a better sense of the lay of the ground after more thorough research instead of gambling with one.
And for that German gentleman- I wouldn't go from Germany or Brazil or Costa Rica to Kiev for sex. Business trip coinciding with our common hobby would be another story.
DramaFree11
09-17-21, 03:04
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DramaFree11
09-17-21, 03:11
I've had 3 different girls that were nothing special quote exactly a $500 rate recently. It makes me wonder where they are getting this.This is not a surprise, when I was living there. I remember 5/6's where asking $200-400, at the I have been saying this for years. Not sure why you are surprised.
I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague)Tallinn is a punting desert. You'll be lucky to meet even one escort there.
Berlinerjunge1
09-17-21, 09:53
First visit to Kiev. I booked an Airbnb in the city centre. The weather is good and so is what you see on the street and in the metro. Quite a few of the young women here have already realized that a bra is a completely superfluous item of clothing for them. And God knows, they really don't need it. It really makes city strolling very pleasant.
Briefly about me: I'm in my mid-30's, slim (too slim according to many!) and tall. I look OK, but no one turns around to look at me when I enter a bar. But I can dress passably.
I have been here for a week now and here is some of my experience:
Escort ads:
https://relaxkiev.com/en/
https://intimgirls.net/
https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/
I have contacted several ads of these platforms, but only up to an amount of 3000 UAH per hour. It is interesting that sometimes the same girl has different prices on different sites. Anyway. With most of the phone numbers, no matter whether the ad was rated as Independent or Verified, I ended up with escort agencies who then gave me completely different pictures and prices. Pictures often without a face, sometimes over 3000 UAH an hour for basic service. I got no answer from a third of them.
I have met:
https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/diana/355218/?list=m3s6ql
Body fits. Face too. Sort of. I would say it was the woman, only older. You can tell by her breasts and face. There's a reason she's not smiling. The teeth are not great. She was friendly and communicative (knows English), but face to face not my type. Failed to send her away. Didn't get horny with her. No sex. Fail. 2000 + 300 taxi (kissing was supposed to be part of it, but then I didn't feel like it).
I had video chat with:
https://relaxkiev.com/en/41753/
Also has an ad on Eurogirls with video without face, but she is not active at the moment because she wanted to travel. Body fits. Small and petite. But I didn't like her face (but it's not ugly! Wanted 3000 UAH for the whole package: kissing, anal, CIM.
Massage:
Sunday morning Relax Massage. Entrance at the far corner in the backyard. The manager was annoyed, but knew enough English.
https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/en
Only one woman. I have forgotten her name. No English. 1600 an hour with touching. Face okay, but when she undressed I actually wanted to leave again. The performance was unfortunately not in underwear, as it should be, but in a silk robe. She is thin. No breasts. Every rib stands out clearly. I like slim, but this was bordering on anorexic.
The massage itself was first a relaxation massage, followed by body to body (more like rib on rib). The low point was when she rubbed her stubbly legs over my back. Turning over onto my back was very late and the handjob began very quickly. It was only successful when she started to present her pussy to me and rub it against my chest. A touch of eroticism. Conclusion: Fail! (Note: it's very easy to get scalded in the shower).
Monday afternoon Salon Dream. Entrance backyard. See video on website.
https://salondream.kiev.ua/
Manager was friendly, good English. 4 women to choose from, 3 young, one past her sell-by date. All were not motivating enough for the 1800 UAH programme with touching. Here at least the women were presented in lingerie. I left again and went straight on to Retro Massage. Entrance directly from the street.
https://www.salonretro.kiev.ua/
Manager friendly and good English. Only one woman available. Show again in dressing gown. 1200 the hour with touch. Woman's name was Slata and has been doing the job for 5 years. Injected lips. Somewhat porn-like sight. Body all right, but not great. Massage comparable to Relaxmassage. On stomach the whole time and turn over the last 10 to 15 minutes. Lots of normal massage. Eroticism only starts at the end with body to body. I couldn't come. Much too boring the programme, at least if you are not horny but looking for an erotic experience. Conclusion: Fail!
I couldn't find a Moulin Rouge massage or a topless massage (or Adele massage). When I called, no one answered and no messages were answered either. Are they still active?
If anyone has a clue how and where to get a decent Erotik massage here, I would appreciate it. An erotic massage is not 75% of the time lying on your stomach without seeing and touching anything and getting a handjob at the end. I'm looking for something more like petting. Mutual massage, stroking almost all the time. I like to feel the pussy intensively. And of course pretty women.
Stripclub Princess:
Was there on Wednesday from 9 pm. Good place right by the two bars in the middle of the room. 500 UAH entrance fee. I was there just to enjoy the show and have a drink on the side. First erotic establishment in Kiev that impressed me positively. Lots of women and all but 4 or 5 were a pleasure for the eyes. Optics partly above my expectations. Good ambience, good show programmes, but expensive. Two cocktails plus entrance fee with tip was 2000 UAH. There were 2 items on my bill with about 130 UAH each, which I couldn't classify. No matter. Cheap alternative: Just stroll through the city and enjoy the women without bras. Some even had see-through tops. A dream.
Mamba:
I only started contacting women when I was in Kiev. Partly no answer, partly blocked directly. One woman wanted to meet but refused to answer my questions about her weight. I have now found one who wants to meet me tomorrow. Early 20's, passable face and slim. 3000 for 2 hours with kissing and CIM. Let's see if anything comes of it.
I have also been contacted by 2 women in their mid 20's. 100€ plus taxi for 3 hours. Looks were okay, but not good enough to pay. So I declined.
I only filtered for women in Oblast Kiev active within the last week. Since I can only write to women who have given an age range that includes my age, that doesn't leave many women. How do you do it? Do you have a fake account where you are 20 years old so that you can write to everyone? Or do you also only write to those who are looking up to 60 or 80 and thus seem to be open to more than dating?
Tinder:
A few matches, but no meetings. Not even any communication with more than 2 correspondences.
Seeking experience to follow.
Reef LostCause
09-17-21, 13:54
I recently spent a week in Kiev.
I had already been there in 2015.
Thanks to the forum members, especially SprKiev and RebelMC, whom I read while planning the trip.
To answer a basic question, since I live in a country which shares a border with Germany, I could have spared myself all the trouble and just go to an FKK, where service would have been cheaper and higher mileage.
However, I already had a couple of FKK trips this summer since reopening, and Kiev was my first faraway trip since COVID started. So there was a bit of excitment.
Let's also say that I like Ukraine girls much better than Romanians in terms of looks. And in Kiev, you have an endless supply of eye candy in the streets / shopping malls (it was a hot week, and girls were in summer clothes).
Tried 2 strip clubs: Rio and Dolls. Entry is 500 UAH in both of them, with drinks between 150-300.
Both had nice girls, and also ones who looked totally bored or unfuckable for me (too many tattoos / piercings). They rotate from stage to stage, so that you see fresh ones every 5 minutes.
I tried one takeout from Dolls, not one of the younger girls (30 I think) but with nice naturals.
I has to spend 200 UAH to tip her on stage, 2 x 200 for a couple of drinks, 1000 UAH for 2 privaye dances to break the ice, and finally 300 EUR for all-night takeout.
Not the greatest experience of my life, but at least she was friendly.
Also tried 2 massages salons: Retro and Dreams.
Retro has easy to find location with separate door.
Got a nice massage from Victoria, nice curves w / several small tattoos.
My 2nd time, they didn't honour my meeting, said there was a misunderstanding and that there were 3 guys before me (give me a break!). So I switched to Dream Salon.
Dream is a bit harder to find, since you have to get past the first row of buidling to find their door.
Communication was easy in English.
For my fist visit, got very good massage from Kenyan Stephanie (gorgeous African body).
Next day, I tried Maya, which is a bit more of a MILF, but with big T&A. Also good.
I finished my trip in Kiev by having 2 masseuses in my hotel room. Both gorgeous and funny.
We had Champagne and music in the room.
Wanted to try Moulin rouge in Kreschatyk, but I couldn't even find the door on the #21 building, and they never answered my calls or Whats App. So, I gave up.
A couple of taxi drivers offered me to take me to appartments, which I politely declined. But, at least it exists.
To sum it up, definitely not FKK / Brazil / Thailand / Macau level in terms of pure price-to-performance ratio, but I enjoyed myself nonetheless.
Hello everyone,
So I was thinking about visiting Kiev however, I was wondering if it is overhyped. I live in Germany, where brothels are abundant and decently priced. Is Kiev worth the trip over, and are the quality of women and price worth the trip? I was thinking of other places (Tallinn and Prague) but was wondering if Kiev is any better.Tallinn, Vilnius, and Riga are all bad. In some ways they are worse than the USA, and that is bad. Just plain bad. A few years back I had some success in Prague but my experience is very limited.
I have lived in Germany off and on over 12 years. I used to love FKKs for a while, but they totally bore me now. Of course I have not been to one in a few years. I heard rumor from a friend that Shark's in Frankfurt that the girls are charging 100 Euro for 30 minutes. You have got to be out of your mind.
I've been Living in Kyiv for just over a year now. I'm still having a nice time with 3 new high quality girls found in August and still a good mix of regulars. Some of our board mates have sampled some of my referrals and have been happy.
Kyiv is not Germany. Completely different. Germany is super easy. Kyiv is rather difficult. But I still like Kyiv far more than I like Germany.
That said, if you only have a week, no real reason to leave Germany to come to Kiev unless you have friends here.
Second Kiev trip in one month. This time came via Lviv (see my post on Lviv) and spent 6 days in Kiev. This trip did not go half as well as my previous trip just 3 weeks ago.
Had made two fantastic girlfriends on my last Kiev trip, who are the reason for me to return to Ukraine so soon, both civilians not P4 P. But broke up with a stunning girl, she having travelled from Kiev to Lviv just to meet me started misbehaving after a few days in Lviv. So had to throw her out of the hotel and she pissed off back to Kiev middle of the night. It happens. With benefit of hindsight I should have let her have her way just to keep banging this blue eyed blonde nearly 20 years younger. Second girlfriend I decided to cut off ties because although she never asked for any money she's got expensive taste and expects to be just dating and doesn't go into bed. Her excuse is it's too early and she doesn't want to be be pressured - I don't think she's a sophisticated scammer as she is the friend of an ex girlfriend from years back. Shame as I spent a few hundred Euros's on several dates with her. Maybe if I lived in Kiev could play the long game but no fuck that. Had a few other dates including a 24 year old I met in a bar but 6 days not enough to get a good local girl into bed. Still in contact with some so will see. Did get a decent MILF into bed on my last night (freebie) after 3 dates but she is no stunner.
Had two fantastic experiences in apartments that a taxi driver and a local tout took me. One take out to my hotel (4500 uah / hour) was just amazing, I think all their rooms were occupied so I had to take out and pay 300 taxi fare. Another in-call at an apartment for 3000 was one of the best p4 p experiences I ever had. There is this building 5 minutes behind McDonalds on Maidan has 3 or 4 apartments run by the same people. One apartment at 1500/ hour containing 5's and 6's not worth it. Another apartment with some 7's and 8's are 3000 uah. Went for a 20 year old, just great attitude and amazing sex twice. She let me take nude pics but not of her face. Driver said there is another apartment in the same building with even superior girls but they are 5-6000 uah. Decided it's a bit excessive. I find it odd that even in one apartment each girl has her price.
Contacted 10-20 numbers on Keksik and Ukrgo, mostly unresponsive or too far out of town for me. Some numbers I had from previous trip no longer work. As has been said before and now I see it in practice. Kiev can delight or disappoint it just depends on the day. Was great weather enjoyed the city again but much less p4 p this time. And as has also been said before if you can base yourself there for a few months then your p4 p experience or local relationship chances should be much better. My 6 days is just too short.
Kiev is full of tourists. Have a feeling come October when weather is cold the demand should fall and one might find it easier. But then again Kiev won't be fun in the freezing cold.
If anyone has a clue how and where to get a decent Erotik massage here, I would appreciate it. An erotic massage is not 75% of the time lying on your stomach without seeing and touching anything and getting a handjob at the end. I'm looking for something more like petting. Mutual massage, stroking almost all the time. I like to feel the pussy intensively. And of course pretty women..I have been to Kiev 2 month ago, I enjoyed my time in that massage place: https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/.
Hi guys,
I'm currently in Kiev for a couple days and would be very grateful for some advice. (Inb4: I'm new to P4P but will share my experiences here). Basically I'm a young dude who desperately needs a good fuck. I don't want a stunner, just someone who is enthusiastic and will kiss and cuddle etc. Honestly a MILF would be ideal. The thing is, I would like to spend under 2000 and can't host. So my question is, can I (in a reliable manner) find what I'm looking for in Kiev and if so, how should I go about finding it? I've read tons online, however I'm even more confused on what exactly to do. I guess if no one recommends me anything, expect a report about a very unsatisfactory experience in the coming days.
1. It's a waist of time and energy trying to find something decent for less than $100 - If you're really looking for any luck on these sites you should start from $150 but still very little chance you'll really get what you expect.
2. Scan all pictures using Yandex image search https://yandex.com/images/ (it's blocked in Ukraine so you should use VPN) - Like if you ran a search for this girl that you've https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/escort/diana/355218 -.
Then You wouldn't make mistakes.
3. Forget about Mamba and Tinder as it's full of garbage and scams (Tinder) . Not even local pimps advertise there any more.
First visit to Kiev. I booked an Airbnb in the city centre. The weather is good and so is what you see on the street and in the metro. Quite a few of the young women here have already realized that a bra is a completely superfluous item of clothing for them. And God knows, they really don't need it. It really makes city strolling very pleasant.
Briefly about me: I'm in my mid-30's, slim (too slim according to many!) and tall. I look OK, but no one turns around to look at me when I enter a bar. But I can dress passably.
I have been here for a week now and here is some of my experience:
Escort ads:
https://relaxkiev.com/en/
https://intimgirls.net/
https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/
I have contacted several ads of these platforms, but only up to an amount of 3000 UAH per hour. It is interesting that sometimes the same girl has different prices on different sites..
Contacted 10-20 numbers on Keksik and Ukrgo, mostly unresponsive or too far out of town for me. Some numbers I had from previous trip no longer work. As has been said before and now I see it in practice. Kiev can delight or disappoint it just depends on the day. Was great weather enjoyed the city again but much less p4 p this time. And as has also been said before if you can base yourself there for a few months then your p4 p experience or local relationship chances should be much better. My 6 days is just too short.
That's very true. Kiev is a long-term game and need to be ready to spend significant amount of time and energy trying to get something decent out of it.
Hi guys,
I'm currently in Kiev for a couple days and would be very grateful for some advice. (Inb4: I'm new to P4P but will share my experiences here). Basically I'm a young dude who desperately needs a good fuck. I don't want a stunner, just someone who is enthusiastic and will kiss and cuddle etc. Honestly a MILF would be ideal. The thing is, I would like to spend under 2000 and can't host. So my question is, can I (in a reliable manner) find what I'm looking for in Kiev and if so, how should I go about finding it? I've read tons online, however I'm even more confused on what exactly to do. I guess if no one recommends me anything, expect a report about a very unsatisfactory experience in the coming days.I'm afraid you won't be able to do much for 2000. Your only option is to go to Arena city grab a near by driver (English-speaking) and tell him what you need. Than he might take you to few places. But again. Don't expect anything decent for 2000 and do not waist your time on worthless local websites. You'll get nothing out of it. Good luck.
I am going to Kiev next week. I've been checking Minuet and SexKiev.net and talked to a few brothel agents via Whatsapp as well.
There's a lot of them around a 3 km radius near my hotel.
The prices are 2000-4000 depending on girl.
Wondering is this legit? Are these sites / agents real? Real brothels? What's the best site?
I don't mind paying more for quality experiences.
Are there any wellness clubs? With spa? Sauna? Jacuzzi where you can take a girl into theses places?
Thanks!
I have been to Kiev 2 month ago, I enjoyed my time in that massage place: https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/.Tell us details about the service and the costs. Thanks.
That's the best advice!
You already have doubts. Your object of admiration will sense it, doesn't matter if you restart negotiations or not. Ukrainian girls prefer confident lovers. If you negotiate down, her service will be poor. If you don't, you'd be unhappy, and then again, her service will be poor.
I would cancel anybody remote who you never met before, and research the market while on the ground. Scan through 15 girls. 3000 euro will allow you to do that. At least 5 of them will be good, give or take. 2 or 3 will be great. Maybe 1 will agree longer term. $500 for 2-3 nights with great girls coming to Kiev from outside is not unheard of. Even if it's 1000 or 1500, but you'd be happy, thinking you didn't overpay, and you'd have a better sense of the lay of the ground after more thorough research instead of gambling with one..I see thanks for those advices PhotoSlider (and the others too of course) ! I'll seriously think about it. However scanning through 15 girls, would probably mean staying longer than 1 week there, right?
P.S. I already met the girl and had 3 booking with her, for a total of 750 e, that's why I felt compelled of not giving a price too low. In my head I thought along the lines of: she's probably a bit used to Paris's rate, but probably no one in Ukraine will pay that much either so there is good chances she says yes (because that would be roughly equivalent to 6 overnight in France minus the cut from her pimp here, so I thought based on the rate in Paris that's a fair price).
When you're proposing me of searching for several girls, are you talking about independents escorts? Or also girls in what you guys called "apartments"?
Also a bit curious about you: What do you when chasing yours civilians in Kiev, do you also propose monetary compensation to accelerate the process, or is there no money involved? (I mean, you talked about a civilian balrinna at some point in your posts).
Also a bit curious about this sentence: "The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use". Could you please tell me how you went about it, if you don't mind (If you don't want to say it here, I can pay a subscription and we can discuss by MP) ? To be a bit more transparent, the whole reason why I wanted to do 1 whole week with this girl is probably because of this idea of "dedicated personal use "exclusiveness."
The object of my admiration, as you say, is for me a solid 8.5, perhaps 9 (I mean purely in terms of physical attractiveness, which is so far, given my short 2 month career, my only criteria for choosing an escort). In childish way of saying this, a 8.5 would be roughly the prettiest girl in a class 20-25 girls (just recall your old days at uni, hehe). Would that be easy to find someone like that again? I'm not really sure of what to expect about what I can find on my own there in a limited amount of time.
Truth to be told I'm a bit worried about the number of fakes on website such as https://relaxkiev.com or https://keksik.net or ukrgo. (I mean if there were no fakes, obviously I would not be worried about not finding easily someone fitting my criteria).
Would you know from your experience roughly how many fakes there are in % on sites like those? If there are lot, is it common to ask for photos or video chats prior meeting? Or should I just meet right away and turn tail if the girl is not what I want to see?
Wondering is this legit? Are these sites / agents real? Real brothels? What's the best site?.I'm sorry but this sound completely stupid questions. Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, so what do you expect to find?
What is a real or fake agent? You are not dealing with agents from football stars or actresses. LOL.
As I kind of hinted in previous post, I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).
I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros. It's perhaps not worth the hassle I think.
Unless it's not unusual to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate, that she didn't dislike me, I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that would make less money with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring.
So actually does anyone has experience with long period booking with 8/9's in Kiev? (If I were to search for another one, I would not count on luck / trial and error and I would probably actually just use something like OMG, which seems to be the most reliable ways to get 8's /9's, and not bother with other local escort websites).
I also think someone also talked about some apartments in Kiev having high quality girls (hinting 8/9's available for 6000 uah / h), if that's true that may be a viable option to find a potential candidates too). Any one can confirm about this one?
As I kind of hinted in previous post (not yet validated / published by the admin as of now), I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).
I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros or even 1 K (if it were more I would begin considering it ofc). I just want everything to be hassle free.
I was also wondering how usual it is to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that she would make less money a week with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring. But in the end I can only guess about how they weight pros / cons.
So actually does anyone has experience with long period booking with 8/9's in Kiev? (If I were to search for another girl of this level, I would not count on luck / trial and error and I would probably actually just use something like OMG (recommended by SprKiev21), which seems to be the most reliable ways to get 8's /9's, and not bother with other local escort websites).
I also think someone wrote recently about some "apartments" in Kiev having high quality girls (hinting at 8/9's available for 6000 uah / h), if that's true that may be an option worth considering to find a potential candidates for a more affordable price). Any one can confirm about such apartments existing?
P.S. As you may understand, I don't really intend to become a typical punter (I mean, seeing a lot of different girls). I think I would be more satisfied with long period booking with a 8/9's every few months or something like this. (not necessarily the same one each trip, but might be).
PS2: Reasons why I'm not searching for something is similar in France are several. First I want to use those trips to travel a bit. Second is I'm looking specifically for eastern European looking girls. Third, I think striking a 1-week deal with 8/9's in France would be more expensive / difficult. (I mean the one that are inde would probably be too expensive (also they would be too experienced for my taste), and the ones that under a pimp as temporary worker would likely not be allowed).
I'm sorry but this sound completely stupid questions. Prostitution is illegal in Ukraine, so what do you expect to find?
What is a real or fake agent? You are not dealing with agents from football stars or actresses. LOL.So is smoking weed and doing coke, yet people still talk about it.
Innocent until proven guilty right.
Besides, since when is Ukraine the law abiding country of the world?
Well, to answer your questions.
I know few professional girls from Odessa and Kiev who used to work for different agencies in London, Paris etc. Specifically agencies like sex-fucktory.com or divas.com. It's sort of body-shops mostly stuffed with Romanians and Russian / Ukrainian touring girls and the main reason for these girls to travel abroad is not just money. The key factor is the Privacy. Some of them are also doing some work on the side (like indies) for a full payment and many agencies allow that for as long as there are no scheduling conflicts. The key principal for them is to stay away from any sorts of "emotional attachments". They do like returning clients but they normally do not like any type of "exclusive" arrangements unless you're ready to offer tones of cash. Another rule they follow. They normally do not fuck where they live and do not live where they fuck. So be careful with your arrangements and instead of paying her 3 K for weekly services. You should pay her 300 $ as if you were in Paris (do not expect her to lower the rate just because you're meeting outside of Paris. If she really likes you than she can make an exception to see you for a longer period of time like $400 for 2 hours or whatever. If you pay upfront 3 K and know nothing about this girl (like where she lives, her friends and all other types of personal information) there is a good chance you will not see her again after the first date and her phone line will be disconnected. I might be mistaken but I've seen few guys whose "romantic adventure" ended up like this. So, be careful.
Finding 8 or 9 level working girl in Ukraine is a difficult task as there are many travelers like yourself who are looking for the same sort of treatment. Lots of rich guys from rich Arabic countries come to Ukraine with deep pockets looking for a model-type girls for "exclusive" arrangements so the inventory runs out. So, here is the list of options for you.
1. Forget about local sites as well as mamba, tinder and other junk (refer to my June report for details).
2. Start with apartments as the cheapest option. But do not go there yourself if you don't speak Russian. I suggest get a taxi driver by Arena and tell him that you need a girl at starting price 3000 (anything lower than that not worth the efforts) he will take you to few places where you might find what you need, but do not expect anything spectacular in terms of service.
3. Check out https://escort.vc - That's the only legit escort agency with relatively honest representation of the girls. You will not get any 8 or 9 but you might get 7 (depending on your taste) for $250.
4. Visit few strip-clubs like RIO Dolls or Princes. Keep in mind that best looking girls are normally not for sale but you might got lucky (who knows? And take her out to your apartment for $300 (expect limited services).
5 OMG (most of the pictures are real although can be heavily photo-shopped. But most of the girls are not worth asking price and you'll have to pay for contacts (The good thing is that they always refund your money if girl doesn't respond).
6. Just go to xvideos.com and jerk on your favorite porn-star. That's the best and cheapest option.
Good luck.
As I kind of hinted in previous post (not yet validated / published by the admin as of now), I'm only interested in girls that fits my taste pretty much (high end girls of 8+).
I just finished reading SprKiev21's report from 25th of July, and if he what he says about the average price for 8/9's in Kiev being 500 $+ per date is to be believed, then It would simply be fine to keep the agreement as is, since the probability that I get another agreement like this for lower a price with a girl as good looking for a lower price would not be that high. (I also liked talking with her, so I guess that counts too). I'm not trying to save a few hundreds euros or even 1 K (if it were more I would begin considering it ofc). I just want everything to be hassle free.
I was also wondering how usual it is to get a big discount for longer period booking (like 6-7 days) ? (Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap). Of course I guess that if the downside for an escort is that she would make less money a week with such an arrangement, the upside would be: it's significantly less tiring..
(Actually since I was always thinking in terms of hourly rate and that's I was thinking the girl was doing me a favour, since 3 k for one week in comparison to her hourly rate is actually very cheap). Your calculation is wrong.
Why does this girl come in France to be a prostitute and doesn't stay in Ukraine?
Example: I pay usually around 15€ for a pizza in Luxembourg. A pizza in Ukraine is 3 € - so show I give 15 for a pizza even in Ukraine? Of course no.
Medium salary in Kiev is 600 $/ month, what is the medium salary in Paris? If I trust google it's 3700€ / month.
So 500 $ for a girl in Paris is less than 100€ for a girl in Kiev, and for this price you will find nice student or normal girl just looking for a bonus at the end of the month.
Up to you to spend the same price in Paris or Kiev, but if I'm the next contact of your girl and she asks 500 in Kiev, I will laugh and go the next profile.
I was watching a guy on YouTube today go through a bureaucratic maze to get a drivers license in Ukraine. He provides great content and I'm jealous of his lifestyle. Anyway, the dude has many videos of himself fine dining with beautiful women. Excuse me, but where's the friend to help navigate that red tape?
I've spent a week or so researching, I've collected tons of numbers and since I am not a newb in this world, I right away asked you an agency or direct? 99% reply agency. Then I ask "Which girl is working now?" Then they send me that, and then I ask give me address, and they give address.
Out of the 8 I've talked to 6 of them were in the center, and 2 were farther out. Apartments, with multiple girls.
Many different agencies all funnel to the same operator. As I hit up different agencies on minuet for example, and then they all came back to same operator and I asked are you the same person? And he / she said yea I handle multiple bookings.
I also talked a lot with one agent who was ultra informative and friendly and made suggestions like what time do most girls work, where it's best.
I am going to try the apartment closest to me when I arrive in Kyiv, its 14 m walk away. If I get screwed over, or ripped off whatever. I paid for SA account it cost 150 $ and I paid for Tinder Platinum and buncha other crap and they all suck. So If I lose 100-150 $ being ripped off so be it.
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I am going to try the apartment closest to me when I arrive in Kyiv, its 14 m walk away. If I get screwed over, or ripped off whatever. I paid for SA account it cost 150 $ and I paid for Tinder Platinum and buncha other crap and they all suck. So If I lose 100-150 $ being ripped off so be it.
No, you will not get ripped of- However the girls selection on site could be very different from what they tell you on the phone. Also, please make sure you negotiate all services before you pay. In the basic "package" you'll get only CBJ / Massage / FS and if you need extra options (like kissing, DATY or whatever you like.) than you'll need to negotiate this for extra fee. (If services available).
Tell us details about the service and the costs. Thanks.I wrote this resume on 20 Jul.
"As I visited lot of strip clubs last week, I decided to know for massage with handjob ending for that week, first I tried is redlight massage.
https://redlight-massage.kiev.ua/en/girls/
I was with Eva the first girl in the list, real pics, really pretty and so hot.
Then, 4 days ago I was to relaxmassage: https://relaxmassage.kiev.ua/ I chosen a girl called Dina, I don't see her in pics in website, she had very good massage technics and a cheerful personality.
Last massage I was to red light again thinking in making a threesome with two masseuses at a time, there was only 1 free masseuse: Eva, I was so happy to meet her again. Don't care about 3 some, other day I will do."
PhotoSlider
09-21-21, 02:15
Spr gave a great suggestion: Watch porn and jerk off at home. Much safer. I actually had my friend saying the same to bouncers outside of one of the strip clubs at the Arena City. They invited us:
- Come on, guys! Would you like some entertainment and a female company? We are premiere strip club!
- Oh yeah? I am fucking sick of all your strip clubs in Kiev! I can easily jerk off at home!
Going back to your questions:
You are calculating, extrapolating and trying to predict too much. All of that nonsense will be out of the window the moment you set your feet on Ukrainian soil.
Keep in mind please, - I haven't been to Kiev for awhile. Yes I talk to girls online (like 3 girls today), but there's no substitute for paying them and playing with them in flesh.
Read further, also, do a search for my reports back to September-November 2017, some of them explain the method.
I see thanks for those advices PhotoSlider (and the others too of course) ! I'll seriously think about it. However scanning through 15 girls, would probably mean staying longer than 1 week there, right?Yep. 15 in one week is a stretch. I usually do 3 girls every 24 hours for 3-5 days upon arrival. 2 weeks IMHO is a minimum. 3-4 weeks improves chances significantly. For 1 week, especially if you reveal it you are perceived as a sex tourist.
P.S. I already met the girl and had 3 booking with her, for a total of 750 e, that's why I felt compelled of not giving a price too low. In my head I thought along the lines of: she's probably a bit used to Paris's rate, but probably no one in Ukraine will pay that much either so there is good chances she says yes (because that would be roughly equivalent to 6 overnight in France minus the cut from her pimp here, so I thought based on the rate in Paris that's a fair price).Calculating too much. Kiev is not deterministic or prescriptive. Very random and stochastic.
When you're proposing me of searching for several girls, are you talking about independents escorts? Or also girls in what you guys called "apartments"?
Also a bit curious about you: What do you when chasing yours civilians in Kiev, do you also propose monetary compensation to accelerate the process, or is there no money involved? (I mean, you talked about a civilian balrinna at some point in your posts).Most of my girls are from apartments and erotic massage parlors. Including balerinas and more. I simply suggest to pay to them directly, so that instead of getting 25-40%, they get 80-100%, and enjoy my company. I am lots of fun.
I also have unfair advantages:
Stay in Kiev 4-6 weeks. Pass for a local.
Visit often (in the past).
Native Russian speaker.
Have very good comprehension of Ukrainian (used more and more by younger ladies).
Speak very good English.
Another source is barbershops. Great women there!
Also a bit curious about this sentence: "The first one used to be an hourly girl with certain aspirations, then I was able to extract her for dedicated personal use". Could you please tell me how you went about it, if you don't mind (If you don't want to say it here, I can pay a subscription and we can discuss by MP) ? To be a bit more transparent, the whole reason why I wanted to do 1 whole week with this girl is probably because of this idea of "dedicated personal use "exclusiveness."I converted her on our very first encounter. 19 years old hourly girl. Without discussing anything prior she went for DFK and DATY. Agreed to give me the phone number. She sent me her best pix the next day. Then Viber for a month. Met her again privately. Showed her Kiev. Spent 4 hours together, had great sex with BBBJ, CIM because I was exhausted by 2 girls before the date with her.
The object of my admiration, as you say, is for me a solid 8.5, perhaps 9 (I mean purely in terms of physical attractiveness, which is so far, given my short 2 month career, my only criteria for choosing an escort). In childish way of saying this, a 8.5 would be roughly the prettiest girl in a class 20-25 girls (just recall your old days at uni, hehe). Would that be easy to find someone like that again? I'm not really sure of what to expect about what I can find on my own there in a limited amount of time.Ratings are useless. The best one for me may look ugly to you, and be a princess for another.
Truth to be told I'm a bit worried about the number of fakes on website such as https://relaxkiev.com or https://keksik.net or ukrgo. (I mean if there were no fakes, obviously I would not be worried about not finding easily someone fitting my criteria).
Would you know from your experience roughly how many fakes there are in % on sites like those? If there are lot, is it common to ask for photos or video chats prior meeting? Or should I just meet right away and turn tail if the girl is not what I want to see?I do not use any websites at all. Phone number of agency, and they send pictures of currently available girls. I ask for 2 candidates, look at them outside, etc. Pix of girls anywhere, including Viber / Telegram / WhatsApp are edited with iPhone Apps. But websites are not updated. Messengers are current. Then curbside casting.
You may be just fine with your 3 K girl. I wouldn't do it though, not even with today's prices. I like sampling my sweet deserts, then picking 3-4 favorite ones, and rotating through them, enjoying the pleasure of company, while seducing the new ones here and there.
Not even the highest powers above all of us in heaven know how it's going to play out for you. Stop research on Forum. Real practice on the ground is the validation criteria. The rest is one opinion against the other.
Again, fuck the naysayers, as you see, some of the guys had great time in Kiev very recently. But there is no guarantee.
Best of luck, and please report.
PhotoSlider
09-21-21, 02:18
No, you will not get ripped of- However the girls selection on site could be very different from what they tell you on the phone. Also, please make sure you negotiate all services before you pay. In the basic "package" you'll get only CBJ / Massage / FS and if you need extra options (like kissing, DATY or whatever you like.) than you'll need to negotiate this for extra fee. (If services available).I don't negotiate for extra services. I simply try to get those from girls. Many go for it. Negotiating in advance means much higher price without ensuring that quality of extra service will be good.
Different approach. Yours, Spr, may work for you, and that's great too.
I don't negotiate for extra services. I simply try to get those from girls. Many go for it. Negotiating in advance means much higher price without ensuring that quality of extra service will be good.
Different approach. Yours, Spr, may work for you, and that's great too.Don't the girls report you if you try and negotiate with them?
It'd be ideal to just pay extra to the girl And get her number for another date in your hotel if you liked her.
T minus 3 days and I am working on my first report: the can't wait.
Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?
Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.
Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.
Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.
I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.
The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.
Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?No issues at the entry if you present test results (antigen rapid test is fine). Vaccination card would be a ++. You must get insurance for the full duration of your trip. It's not expensive and you can get it here - https://visitukraine.today/.
No. They are not looking for husbands. Except maybe few older once or average looking. Here is what they're looking for;
* To find an idiot who will send them money for travel (seeking).
* To find an idiot who will pay them just for a kiss in the chick (seeking).
* To find an idiot who they can drag into a b&S restaurant or night-club where you'll pay half of your monthly salary for some sort of shitty champagne or "exclusive" plate of Ukrainian vareniki made in sashimi style (Tinder).
* Just to bust your chops and making you to buy premium membership. As they keep posting dummy profiles of girls that do not exist (mamba).
So. I'm glad you're on the right track)) do not pay these suckers.
Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.
Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.
Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.
I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.
The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.
DramaFree11
09-22-21, 19:05
Update on Mamba / Tinder / SA.
Seems like Mamba / Tinder in Ukraine (Kiev) is all about long term relationship search for girls. They think Tinder = dating.
Unlike in Colombia, and unlike in Canada / USA where they know Tinder = Casual Hookups.
I wasted 5 days so far, and over $300 on buying the upgrade bullshit on these services.
The posts here are totally true, to avoid these sites. Chances are slim you will find someone who is down for action only. Girls are looking for husbands to escape Ukraine.Correct, it just not girls that are leaving, a large portion of the population has be leaving for many years. Funny how you can be there for a few days and you understand this. Many that have been traveling there for years are in complete denial about this subject, very strange and makes you wonder.
Reef LostCause
09-22-21, 20:15
Plan on travelling to Ukraine in couple of weeks. I am double vaccinated and plan on getting PCR test 48 hrs prior to arriving. Anyone have difficulties at the border / airport entry?Based on what I see on the website, PCR Test isn't necessary if you are double vaccinated.
You'll need to buy insurance from an ukrainian company however (I did and it's only a couple of euros a day), and don't forget to save / print the contract they will send you and show it at the airport.
I did just that and had no problems 3 weeks ago.
If you come from India or Russia, it's another story, which I did not bother to read, since that's not the case for me.
Lucky Nuts
09-23-21, 15:59
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/magazine/kyiv-parties-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210923&instance_id=41117&nl=the-morning®i_id=128186503&segment_id=69686&te=1&user_id=a6c4cff9c3c90680fd398476571a234d
Member #4722
09-23-21, 18:24
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/magazine/kyiv-parties-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210923&instance_id=41117&nl=the-morning®i_id=128186503&segment_id=69686&te=1&user_id=a6c4cff9c3c90680fd398476571a234dAwesome article. Yet some very out of touch individuals say there is no nightlife in Kyiv.
Awesome article. Yet some very out of touch individuals say there is no nightlife in Kyiv.The nightclubs were really awesome ten plus years ago. Good luck passing face control today if you're an older single dude.
No issues at the entry if you present test results (antigen rapid test is fine). Vaccination card would be a ++. You must get insurance for the full duration of your trip. It's not expensive and you can get it here - https://visitukraine.today/.Thanks, much appreciated!
PhotoSlider
09-24-21, 16:01
Don't the girls report you if you try and negotiate with them?Usually they either refuse outright (because the agency explains to them that the terrible sex tourists snatch the poor village girls, drink their blood, and sell them for organs), or think a bit, and say: "Yeah sure, here is my phone number, let's try!
Then about 3 our of 5 girls will never respond to my messages, because it is easier to give me their phone numbers, and then block me, than to explain the opposite. One of my regulars used to say a similar joke:
- With some pesky boys it is easier to agree and have a quick fuck, than to explain why you don't want to))).
Keep in mind that some apartments check girls phone messages and leverage heavy penalties for talking to customers directly - $200, even $500 for serious insubordination.
One of the hourly girls looked and behaved very classy, 1 m80 tall, slim, lingerie, perfect skin and very light makeup, as she truly didn't need any. I didn't ask for anything special, and she declined kissing, but gradually warmed up, and eventually, before she fully realized what just happened, had an orgasm from DATY))) She didn't ask for extra pay, and I always insist that I don't charge girls for extra pleasure I give them either))) Then we had great sex, and before getting dressed she politely asked:
It'd be ideal to just pay extra to the girl And get her number for another date in your hotel if you liked her.I may give the girl a good tip even for classic sex in missionary, like 500 UAH on top of 1600-2100 per hour. I prefer to extend her for another hour or two instead. I do not pay a tip for extra services, as it doesn't seem to change or improve the girls attitude anyway. Instead upon their arrival to my apartment I do not jump on them with my erect dick, but instead offer them good wine, and treat with respect to relax.
I had DATY with more than half of the girls for free. Kissing is less frequent. Anal was given 3 times for free over 2 years and 100+ different girls.
The tip is for being feminine and passionate, not for extra services.
If there's a connection during sex, chances are high the number will be given.
T minus 3 days and I am working on my first report: the can't wait.Please do report.
PhotoSlider
09-24-21, 16:07
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Yes, I read that article and thought all the parties she was being invited to was awesome. However, I had the feeling that a middle aged guy may not find himself in the same situation. In fact, highly unlikely, and since that description would consist of most of the members here, don't count on being invited into the in crowd festivities. The person who wrote the article was female, probably attractive and in the right age category. See'est la vie.
Awesome article. Yet some very out of touch individuals say there is no nightlife in Kyiv.
TheManager
09-24-21, 21:06
The nightclubs were really awesome ten plus years ago. Good luck passing face control today if you're an older single dude.Depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. A majority of all the bottle tables in the premier nightclubs are filled by older guys.
Age has nothing to do with it.
Lucky Nuts
09-30-21, 05:57
Yes, I read that article and thought all the parties she was being invited to was awesome. However, I had the feeling that a middle aged guy may not find himself in the same situation. In fact, highly unlikely, and since that description would consist of most of the members here, don't count on being invited into the in crowd festivities. The person who wrote the article was female, probably attractive and in the right age category. See'est la vie.What you write makes perfect sense and I normally would agree 100 percent. But the article reminded me that when I was in Odessa a couple years ago and opened my apartment door at exactly the same time as the couple across the hallway from me a conversation started in perfect English and they wanted me to come out and party with them and their friends that night. I'm neither female or young. So there is something to the author's experience and point she is making. I just figured they find Americans cool, young or old, male or female. And wanted a western viewpoint for discussions on their weekend drinking night together with a chance to practice their obviously proficient English speaking skills. I'd guess all these themes played into the author's luck of having a great time in Kyiv.
For the record I had other plans that night related to our hobby and so declined. I should have taken them up on their offer. I'm sure it would have been a much better night.
Depends on how you dress and how you carry yourself. A majority of all the bottle tables in the premier nightclubs are filled by older guys.
Age has nothing to do with it.Them are the chumps paying 500 for a table. I pay for pussy behind closed doors, I don't pay for fake friend behind a table.
I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.
I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness!
I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.
I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness![Deleted by Admin]For 8000 grivna, you can have fun in strip clubs in Kharkiv for 2 nights and fuck strippers on both nights.
If you want to see bigger strip clubs, you can visit Lviv. It's not as cheap as Kharkiv, but I'm sure it's cheaper than in Kiev. I have articles about both cities. I recommend you take a look.
I was at the Dolls strip club a few days ago and asked what it cost to sit by the couch. This now costs 8000 Grivna.
I did not think it was true so I had to ask another waitress who confirmed the price. This is complete madness!Crazy.
You saw people sit at couches? If they ask this money it means someone agrees to pay it.
Ivan Buyan
10-08-21, 12:41
Hey guys,
So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube channel).
Few weeks ago his friend was scamed in this way when trying to find a Ukrainian girlfriend =(.
You could have heard of it before but what I saw was a "new level".
All of you heard about what they call "consumation".
It is when a stripper or just a girl you met offline gets a % from the food / drinks you order. Usually it is 10-25% and its normal practice in many place (that's why strippers like fresh pine apple juice so much, cause it costs a lot=).
And here is "consumation" 2. 0. First of all it is aimed not just at drunk pussy seekers from abroad but works great on locals. Moreover, they told this scam (they even found the creator of it) works in Russia, Ukraine, Italy and god knows where else.
Here's the thing. You find a girl online, you start talking and she tells you she is rich (her dad owns an IT company), she has business and definitelly doesn't need any sponsor. You like her very much (because they have a team of professional "sellers" speaking to you and not a girl). So you arrange a meeting.
The girls says something like "ok, lets meet, I will pick you up with my driver". They pick you up in a place where there are no cafes / restaurants you ride in some direction and then the girls says something like: "I'm so hungry, let's stop somewhere, I will grab some food home". And you guessed it right. You stop at a special place which looks like a cafe but in fact it works only for this scam and is closed to public and has crazy prices like 2000 UAH for a drink and 5000 UAH for a salad. The dude pays, girl gets %.
They showed a video where 1 girl would bring FEW fools to the restaurant in 1 night!
You may check the video here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgoUAyl0mKg&ab_channel=BIHUSinfo.
TheManager
10-08-21, 23:02
Hey guys,
So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube channel).
Few weeks ago his friend was scamed in this way when trying to find a Ukrainian girlfriend =(.
Never go to a venue suggested by a pro.
So a friend of mine from Israel sent me a video of the scam investigation (done by a local youtube channYour probably sitting at home thinking that you could never be so stupid to fall for such a scam. The reality is mongering is the same minefield and a trip to Kiev will force you to walk it.
Never go to a venue suggested by a pro.And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.
FilthyBeaver
10-10-21, 07:21
And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? Yes.
I don't understand the snarky / insecure comments that permeate this entire board. When I travel, I travel for leisure and don't have the time to invest in a wannabe working girl (aka "good girl" My time is valuable and I want a sure thing. I pay for that and sometimes I pay a lot for that. Why do any of you care? The fact the number is even shared is nothing more than a data point. On any given day, money doesn't make the top three things that I concern myself with and when I'm mongering I doubt if it makes the top ten. I can afford it; some of you can and some can't why be an ass about it when we're just trying to educate each other?
On my last trip to Kyiv I spent an entire week with a stripper from one of the major clubs. She went so far as to trade days off with another girl from a different week so she had 4 contiguous days off so we could fly to another city for a concert and I didn't have to pay her a thing (Did I give her money anyway? Absolutely). When back in Kyiv and she had to report to work I bought her out of the club every night and she basically spent an entire week with me without ever setting foot in the club other than to pay her fee on my behalf. On my last night in town I rented a large sauna room with pool, proper sauna, cold plunge pool, two bedrooms and 3 toilets (I think can't remember). It cost less than what I would have spent in a 5 star hotel room for the same night. This all cost me a shit ton of money and it was worth every penny. That's my story if you don't like it, don't do it, but I really don't care what you think about the cost. If you want to foot some of the bill next time I'd be happy to listen to whatever you have to say.
The moral of all of this is anything is possible and YMMV. Chemistry is key and when you find a gem, seize the fuck out of it. If you want to get laid for free or cheap, best of luck to you. Let us know how you did it, there is value in that for some people.
And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.Saying Hello, and get news updated.
First of all I like to say Hello, again to admin, and the Kiev forum here. I was many years ago a subscribed member and active in this forum, I did more enjoyed to read your reports but from time to time replied as well from south east Asia to China, Europe etc. Any way today I decide to register myself again, I am getting pre-retired, so more time to spare. I am heading to Ukraine visit Kiev again after 1.5 years and what I read about the strip clubs and pricing is taking my shoes off. Really I was there before pandemic start and remember on price as well as attitudes nowadays as my local friends explained and from what I read here I assume this new year party will be just sitting in my rented apartment on Maidan and buy my beers traditionally from Globus and watch porn at home. Not even F. Massage Kiev or relax Kiev allow to have real deal with the girl but want me to pay 12000+Uah for 6 hours having massage or go anywhere with girl but wrote in mail feedback "You are not allowed to Fuck the girl! So I asked him (whoever was) so I pay for all drinks eat, and the girl service just for she make me hard and I must go to release myself? WTF than shall I pay for the girl+ funny is they describe the girl in the website for example "our new prostitute" If she is prostitute what would be than her job to get the money for? I ask myself. As I read the girls also became as aggressive as the brain amputated door keeper they call body guard which is mostly a fat boy full of Sh. Who cannot move himself in a rush despite to guard someone) So I like to ask if some of you has reliable tip for the actual situation or any hidden link since I don't use the stupid Facebook and the Ukrainian sex website are 99.9% full of shit it means by evidence fake photo and after I call most of the girls say "Oh I am not the girl on photo " but any website in this range is using always 80% of the same photos which means you cannot trust what you get! So I was thinking if the hookers come on the streets or other venues where at least we can see what we get for the money? Thanks for any feedback.
P.S: good to be back again.
TheManager
10-10-21, 19:19
And what is a pro? Stripper in club, escort service, street worker, Mamba girlfriend? I have had girls who suggesting nice romantic restaurant with fair prices, other adviced me from inviting her to Avalon cause she spotted that I am not an oligark. They were honest good girls meeting me for money. Generalisations give false confidence and usually come from insecurity. Listen to all, judge for yourself.You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.
The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.
FilthyBeaver
10-10-21, 20:12
You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.
The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.+1, Google the restaurant and read the reviews. Places like this that spiff the girls will have plenty of negative reviews. There's an Italian restaurant and karaoke bar in the Premier Palace hotel that supposedly does this but I googled it before we arrived and told her we're going somewhere else. She didn't walk away upset, we had a good meal somewhere and spent the rest of the night in my room.
DramaFree11
10-10-21, 21:44
Yes.
I don't understand the snarky / insecure comments that permeate this entire board. When I travel, I travel for leisure and don't have the time to invest in a wannabe working girl (aka "good girl" My time is valuable and I want a sure thing. I pay for that and sometimes I pay a lot for that. Why do any of you care? The fact the number is even shared is nothing more than a data point. On any given day, money doesn't make the top three things that I concern myself with and when I'm mongering I doubt if it makes the top ten. I can afford it; some of you can and some can't why be an ass about it when we're just trying to educate each other?
On my last trip to Kyiv I spent an entire week with a stripper from one of the major clubs. She went so far as to trade days off with another girl from a different week so she had 4 contiguous days off so we could fly to another city for a concert and I didn't have to pay her a thing (Did I give her money anyway? Absolutely). When back in Kyiv and she had to report to work I bought her out of the club every night and she basically spent an entire week with me without ever setting foot in the club other than to pay her fee on my behalf. On my last night in town I rented a large sauna room with pool, proper sauna, cold plunge pool, two bedrooms and 3 toilets (I think can't remember). It cost less than what I would have spent in a 5 star hotel room for the same night. This all cost me a shit ton of money and it was worth every penny. That's my story if you don't like it, don't do it, but I really don't care what you think about the cost. If you want to foot some of the bill next time I'd be happy to listen to whatever you have to say..Not sure I would be bragging about spending $500-800, or more a night in Kiev. Your money!
You experience is what is called "anecdotal evidence" which means that you've had a good experience, but it means nothing on the larger scale.
The fact remains that the so called "teahouse scam" is age old and crosses just about every culture. You can go onto any major destination forum on Tripadvisor for example and you'll find a pinned first post warning people of this very tourist dupe. If you make a connection with a girl over some time and there's trust is one thing, to get rinsed straight of the bat is another.With all due respect, we do not discuss if scammers exist, but if there is only special category of people that we must suspect: taxi drivers, landlords, marriage agencies or whatever. Excort girls. Some people we meet are hardcore survivalists of their business that we have little chance to compete with. Some are nice and helpful. We must know to draw the line when we smell foul play. In the teahouse scam, I ask for the manager, and he (or she) will stop the scam. To be specific, this was in Caribbean Dinner and in Sultan restaurant. And in general: If you don't speak the local language (in any culture), don't go to a non-English speaking venue as a paying customer. And don't let your guest make the order. Slavic girls are not used to.
IdiotSavant
10-13-21, 12:25
So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.
I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.
One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range.
What I noticed is the apartments weren't super busy and I suspect relied on heavy spenders. Darlings eventually shut down in March and stole money from multiple girls and male associates along with the apartments associated with then.
90% of girls weren't scammers at worst they phoned it in and were boring during sex.
I had one issue where a girl left early stole the managers purse and didn't return them money. She had been trying to lure me to a club all night.
I find its best not to get to know the girls to well. Best I dealt with was a few civilian dates with a fellow artist. Most would try to scam for money claiming its loans.
What I noticed is a lot of the same apartments run multiple ads with multiple phone numbers on Relax Kyiv. Its made jumping back in an annoyance.
I considered trying Dolls or Harem this week but your reviews just steered me away. After a year here I have no interest in flashing cash. I have a nice girlfriend at home and I simply want hot 18 19 year old girls to fuck.
It seems prices went up now most ads list for 3000 to 4500 and the talent isn't anything out of the world. I would happily pay it if these girls looked like Hustler Barely Legal models all day long but most girls are fake tits and mid twenties and lots of makeup.
Honestly despite spending a lot I have always felt there is a hidden untapped viable high end market with good prices under the surface. Most girls last winter only made 1100 of the 2200 an hour per fuck. I had a girl who was a hot college student do 1400 an hour direct eventually regularly.
Not a lot of ways to make money here and the apartments do a shitty job marketing and communicating and the clubs are a scam minefield and girls never approach and hard sell. It just seems like there may be better options than the surface level apartment chains for girls.
If anyone knows feel free to DM me.
Also happy to answer any questions.
I've been with over 20 girls in my first six months here and I still don't feel like I am tapping the true potential of the place maybe I'm just kicking a dead horse.
FilthyBeaver
10-13-21, 18:50
Your appetite is bigger than mine but aside from that, this is exactly what I would have done if I had boots on the ground for multiple months. Congrats and I agree, the place is untapped. I prefer the younger ones too but they're always starfish. I'm there for my pleasure not theirs so I always reason it away. I'd rather have an incredibly hot girl than a porn star in bed. Bliss is to have both but those are unicorns in my experience.
So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.
I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.
One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range.
What I noticed is the apartments weren't super busy and I suspect relied on heavy spenders. Darlings eventually shut down in March and stole money from multiple girls and male associates along with the apartments associated with then..
So my report is going to essentially be a review of 2021. I am seriously dating someone now here and Ill admit most of my activity was extensive. I'll include my opinions and experiences. Yours may vary. I spent roughly 25000 USD on girls in 5 months. This included what was essentially daily fucking of girls ranging from 2200 to 3000 an hour and occasional extras. Right now I have been out of the game for six months and I'm writing this as more of a gesture of goof will than a current FAQ. I would have posted updates but apartment managers and so forth used to send girls multiple times a week and I sometimes wonder if they view these forums.
I essentially spent most of my money on girls from Darlings and Golden Harem. I have very specific tastes and strongly prefer the girls who look 18 to 19.
One thing I noticed is that many of the older girls I settled for would be far better in bed. In fact the young looking girls I preferred rarely impressed. What's ironic though is my best fucks were usually always in the 2200 range..This post reminded me of good old memories. I am sure that the friends who will read my article will gain a new perspective to reach girls cheaper.
I went to Kiev for the first time in 2014. I was wandering the streets and wondering how I could find a hooker. I approached a taxi driver, asked about prostitutes. He made a phone call and took me home. Home's mama said 1000 uah for 1 hour. I gave the taxi driver 100 uah taxi fare. The girl was 25-26 years old, and her performance was good.
The next day I went to the same house alone. I rang the bell and said "I'm here for the girls". I waited a little. Then they opened the door. I asked the price. They said 700 uah for 1 hour. I understood that the taxi driver received a commission of 300 uah. I bought another girl and I am satisfied. One day later, I went back to the same house. It was daytime and there was only one girl. She was in her early 30's. She had curly red hair. She said she was on her period and could only do erotic massage. I offered anal sex. She didn't accept. I insisted a little sympathetically and said I could give 1000 uah. She accepted. She gave me a blow job without condom and her ass. Only 1000 uah. After sex, I asked her for her phone number. I told her I would pay 1500 uah + taxi fare for 3 hours anal sex. She accepted. The next day she came to my house and I fucked her until my balls hurt. Only 1500 uah.
Of course, the prices are much higher now. Don't expect to have anal sex with a girl for $40 nowadays. But the point is: get the middlemen / go-between out of the way.
I made a similar offer to other girls in other cities many times in the future. Some accepted, some refused. In 2019, I made a similar proposal to a stripper during a private dance at a strip club in Kharkiv. 1500 uah for 1 hour. She accepted. If I took that girl to my house the normal way, I would have to pay 100 dollars to the girl and 100 dollars to the club.
Conclusion:
1) Eliminate the middlemen.
2) Do not hang out in places frequented by tourists.
3) Continuity is essential. If you go to a place (strip club, nightclub, cafe, etc.) many times, people will recognize you and trust you more. If you bought a prostitute you like twice, it's stupid to pay commission for the third time.
4) Learn some Russian. I still haven't found out and it's my fault.
Have fun everybody.
FilthyBeaver
10-16-21, 05:59
I am embarrassed to admit that I never thought about tapping a taxi driver as a resource because with Uber, there's never a reason to hail a taxi. It works everywhere else in the world so why not there. Only concern is the vast majority of my drivers in Kyiv spoke no English whatsoever so why would taxis be any different? I probably haven't taken a proper taxi in 5 years since Uber came into existence.
2 & 3 are sound. I was a VIP at one of the clubs after 3 nights. All night is supposed to be 6 hrs but for me it was really all night so long as the girl agreed so I'd show up at 8 and she'd go back to get paid around 6. I could also sit wherever I wanted which I could not do the first couple times I went in. I still don't understand that but whatever. I paid dearly, as you said because of "middlemen" but I got what I wanted.
Been working on 4 for 8-9 months now. Duolingo is free and a great complement to Babbel which is paid. I'm using both about 15-20 min a day. I can understand quite a bit, can count, and have a reasonable vocabulary but cannot speak it well. I can basically understand what people are talking about but that's it. I got into an Uber my stripper girlfriend called for me when I left her apartment and when I told him I didn't speak Russian (in Russian) he said "bad" to me and gave me a dirty look. When I challenged him, he decided the conversation was over and took me where I was going without saying anything else. You can probably make a pretty good argument that I've wasted the last several months trying to learn the language.
This post reminded me of good old memories. I am sure that the friends who will read my article will gain a new perspective to reach girls cheaper.
I went to Kiev for the first time in 2014. I was wandering the streets and wondering how I could find a hooker. I approached a taxi driver, asked about prostitutes. He made a phone call and took me home. Home's mama said 1000 uah for 1 hour. I gave the taxi driver 100 uah taxi fare. The girl was 25-26 years old, and her performance was good.
The next day I went to the same house alone. I rang the bell and said "I'm here for the girls". I waited a little. Then they opened the door. I asked the price. They said 700 uah for 1 hour. I understood that the taxi driver received a commission of 300 uah. I bought another girl and I am satisfied. One day later, I went back to the same house. It was daytime and there was only one girl. She was in her early 30's. She had curly red hair. She said she was on her period and could only do erotic massage. I offered anal sex. She didn't accept. I insisted a little sympathetically and said I could give 1000 uah. She accepted. She gave me a blow job without condom and her ass. Only 1000 uah. After sex, I asked her for her phone number. I told her I would pay 1500 uah + taxi fare for 3 hours anal sex. She accepted. The next day she came to my house and I fucked her until my balls hurt. Only 1500 uah..
I want to correct a mistake. The year I went to Kiev for the first time was 2015. Not 2014. In 2015,1 dollar = 22 uah. 700 uah was equivalent to 31 dollars. 1000 uah was almost $45.
I want to correct a mistake. The year I went to Kiev for the first time was 2015. Not 2014. In 2015,1 dollar = 22 uah. 700 uah was equivalent to 31 dollars. 1000 uah was almost $45.Your mistake is even bigger. Due to the war with Russia, the national currency suffered a massive fall. In 2013, UAH 1,000 was still $ 120. Then only 45 dollars by 2015. Prices in Ukraine are given in local currency. So suddenly everything was very cheap for us foreigners. Because the prices in UAH were only slightly increased during this period. Not doubled or tripled. The same goes for the girls' payment. Anyone who has paid the women in dollars beforehand will not have noticed this. But restaurants were suddenly very cheap. I can still remember a video by a black Kiev blogger. A fully set table in the restaurant on the Dniepr. "All of this for only $ 3".
Iphones and flights didn't get any cheaper. In the meantime, the inflation from then has been completely offset. Everything has become significantly more expensive.
Quarantine will be announced again in many cities for Ukrainians from Monday. Unvaccinated Ukrainians are officially only allowed to get on the coach or train with a test. Not even in restaurants without tests. But there are only a few young people who are vaccinated. Going out with the girls should then be a problem. Because you can't get in everywhere without problems. And sitting on the bench in front of McDonalds in freezing temperatures is no fun.
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.
I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.
Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.
Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation.
So 2 weeks before arriving I signed up to Mamba. Took some of the advice from a previous poster here with a suggestive personal message and selected as many cute under 28 yr olds as possible. Note: The app doesn't let you message anyone unless they have selected an age range for their search that covers your age. This creates a dilemma. Do you use an older age (say 45) and then any 20 yr matching pretty much already knows what you are after. But you miss matching with a lot of cute young girls who are only looking for an age range of, say, 18-35. Or do you use a younger age where you'll likely get a lot more matches / ability to message but you might make it harder for the 'right' girls to zero in on you with your motives. I chose an age that is close to my real age (hint, older). And it worked out fine for me. Although I did spend a lot of time (a LOT of time) swiping right. And had to let a lot of really nice girls slip through my fingers as the age ranges didn't match.
Also. Be careful with your text if chatting directly on Mamba (or Tinder for that matter) - if you solicit girls directly on the Mamba chat you'll end up having your account revoked and you'll lose your money. Better to move keep the chat within boundaries and aim to move the chat ASAP to another site. The girls who are interested also want to do this, you'll not get any resistance.
Tip #1 - get yourself on Whatsapp, Viber and Telegram before you leave home. All the girls are using one of those 3. When you pick up a local SIM from the airport (400 UAH for unlimited data for a month. Essential) then you can use this number instead of your home number which helps girls recognise you are in Kyiv and not talking to them from abroad. Viber also has a great built-in translation tool which makes it a lot quicker to use than the others.
Telegram involves either a number or an ID (eg " at xsomeonex") - If a girl gives you this without reference then you'll need to search for it on Telegram. You should also be happy to share your ID reference with others.
For an example of a simple chat on Mamba. I sent a 'wink' to a cute girl (18) who listed ages 18-80 for her search, and then added a message along the lines of "Hi, I'm going to be in Kiev in a few weeks time. Would love to meet you if you're around. Let me know " - and the response was " at Sweet* - straight up basically saying she wanted talk on Telegram.
Don't be shy in winking to everyone. Everyone. You like, and following this up with a message hinting at what you are after. Eg meeting up. Most will be unread, or read and ignored, but you'll get some hits if you try hard enough.
If you start a few weeks before arriving you might get something like this which basically is one to store away for later. Chances are you can have a meeting from this one you arrive.
- xxx winked at you.
- "Hi xxx. Love the photos etc".
- "Ok, when you come to Kyiv write to me".
- "Will do. Looking forwards to meeting".
- but be aware that it looks like a lot of girls on Mamba don't check the site very often so you might find the message you send back is ignored. Best plan is to have a LOT of these kinds of chats lined up so that you'll be able to realise a few on arrival. Cast the net wide.
I had a few who all sounded keen to meet. Then didn't reply at all while I was there, only to say Hello, again once I was back home. Sigh. What can you do.
So. You're now talking directly (either a girl or an agency. Hard to know).
Depending on the attitude you might get a first message, straight up like "Hi one hour 100 dollars all in a condom kiss massage is a good time <kiss " - that's word for word an example. Then followed by a selection of photos (although could be fake. More on this later).
Another. Me first.
"Hi xxx, its xxx here from Mamba".
"Hello" - followed immediately by several photos and.
"Meet 100 EU + Taxi 300 UAH, Oral Classic Massage Kissing 69".
Etc.
Others might be a little more reluctant to dive in and the chat starts a little less direct. But moves quickly. Eg (again a real chat) - first message from the girl.
- "Hello, Do you want to meet? Where are you situational geographically?
- "I'm in Kyiv, nr Olimpiysky. Would be good to meet. What is the offer?
- "I have a girlfriend, we can work together."
- "Can you please share soe photos?
A dozen photos arrive of both girls -.
- "Thanks. So what deal are you offering?
- "How much time do you want?
- "Lets start with 2 hours".
- "5000 UAH".
Etc.
Or alternatively. Me starting.
- "Hi xxx. This is xxx here from Mamba. Did I get the number correct?
- "Hello, nice to meet you smile".
- "and you also ".
- "So, meet for financial support good for you?
- "Sure, I'm happy to meet up. I'm arriving xxxx. What were you offering".
- "How many hours you want?
- "Lets start with 2, and see how it goes ".
- "2 h is 3500 UAH".
Etc.
So you can see it doesn't take long to move the chat where you want it to be, and often doesn't need you to make the first obvious move. Here is another example for a girl looking more for a sponsor than a 1 night stand. Expensive I know, but a very cute girl. No harm in seeing what was possible.
- Hi xxx, xxx here from Mamba. Hope I got the number right!
- Hi.
- Great. So I'm hoping you are around to meet in a few weeks when I'm in Kiev?
- How much?
- Depends but to spend time with a beautiful girl like you it would be worth it. What would you like to do?
- no I don't play like that I need specifics and promises.
- Ok 🙂 - for you to visit my apartment for some fun I can offer $150. I need to know your promises as well.
- If 250- ok?
- 200 and we can make some plans. I meant what are your promises for when you visit?
- I'm looking for a man on a permanent basis, how often do you come to Kiev?
Every few months. Work and covid depending. We can meet when I am in Kiev in a few weeks and see how it works. I'm happy to meet more often as well.
- Okay, but sex only with condom.
Etc.
Tip #2 - get an apartment. Use Airbnb, or a local site like Dobovo, but get yourself an apartment to yourself. Somewhere in the centre (Maidan probably best) where you can enter / leave at will without anyone else involved. Makes life a lot easier, and you can pick a good place for way way less $$$ than you'd pay for a midrange hotel room back home. No point in messing with hotels and potential problems with guest policies / walk of shame etc. Skip this see**p. However be aware that as much as these apartments are nearly always really good looking when you are inside, the buildings / lifts / stairwells etc outside are nearly always in a state of ruin / graffiti covered etc. Also I'm guessing there is a high risk of burglary as all the doors seem to be double / tripled bolted and the doors are a really thick! Just an oddity I've noticed here. No idea of the actual risks.
So you now in principle have some chats going on Whatsapp etc. Don't be scared here to dive into the specifics. Both in asking for photos and stating what you want. I've asked for photos with a comment like "Are you ok to share some photos as I'd like to avoid an awkward situation if you arrive and it not the same. It can save us both time". Most girls will do this, some will still share fake photos, but I found most to me were accurate, albeit obviously showing the girl in the best light, or maybe a little younger. I've also had some that have put a stop to the conversation when the photos have been a lot different than the Mamba ad. Better to ask up front.
As well as photos. Don't hold back to ask what you want from the girl when they arrive. Gives them the chance to ask for more $$ upfront, or to set their boundaries in advance. IF you don't clarify this upfront then be prepared for things to be more awkward on arrival. I only had 1 bad experience really with this. I'll share more in another post.
Note that in Ukraine, things like DATY, Kissing, CIM, OWO are *NOT* standard. Don't assume any of these are available unless agreed, and often cost more. I had a girl I met twice, she was drunk the first time and kissed with no concerns. 2nd time she asked for money to kiss.
Again some examples from my chats. Here my message first.
- "I like Oral without condom, French kissing, reverse oral and CIM. Is this ok?
- "Good 3100 UAH".
Or.
- ". Also please let me know if I can come on your face / mouth. I like to end this way".
- "Yes".
- "What would be your total for 2 hours to include the above".
- "2 hours 4800 UAH".
Or sometimes it doesn't go so well. - girl first this time.
- "Lets discuss more exactly, Classic, oral, 69 - 3000 UAH plus Taxi -good?
- "Oral without condom and Come in mouth. Is this ok?
- "Can't do this".
Or.
- "What does that include? I like Oral without, french kissing, 69, come in your mouth".
- "In my mouth no. Maximum on my boobs".
The girls are not shy to answer these questions. They deal with this a lot more than you do. So don't hold back to ask.
SCAMS.
OK. Along with the hits you also get a number of what I'm assuming are scams. Some examples.
1 - I don't live in Kyiv, can you pay for my fare to arrive.
My answer. I can cover this when you are here as part of the payment, but I don't want to be sending money in advance of meeting.
2 - "Well now I need some nice lingerie for you and to eat".
My answer. We can work on this once we meet. If things go well maybe we can go shopping the day after? You look great in your photso already.
3 - one girl sent a video of a suitcase and told me she was being kicked out of her apartment and could I help. I even had a message at 3 am saying she was on the street and cold. This was before I had arrived in Kiev. I'm hoping this was a scam else I feel bad for not helping. But hey, avoiding being scammed means taking a hard line to messages like this.
My answer. When I'm in Kyiv you can come and stay at my apartment if it helps. But I'm not here yet. I'll let you know when I arrive, hope you are ok.
Basically. Just don't send or spend money before, whatever the message. Hopefully people reading this already know this. Chances are it will not end well.
Anyways. Hopefully the above gives you an idea of what to expect. From all the work on Mamba (and don't discount the time you have to spend checking / swiping / winking etc. You have to put in the hard yards for this to be viable) you can get some great experiences, even on a short trip (although don't tell them this).
I'll share a post on my experiences with Apartments later. But again. Don't listen to the naysayers on this forum. I had no problems finding several operating, and had some great experiences. And next trip (Nov hopefully) I'm going to take this route even more I think, some really good looking girls available, and doesn't need as much effort upfront to get results.
FilthyBeaver
10-18-21, 02:42
Wow, this is great info. I tried Mamba once before my first trip but not this hard. Dating apps didn't exist when I was dating so I'm sure there's a learning curve I never fully grasped. I decided getting overcharged at the strip clubs was a lot less work and now that I look at it I'm only paying a small premium over your experience if at all. I latched on to one girl with whom I have really good chemistry. Costs me 8 k all night but I heard the price went up to 9 k in the last couple months. If you're paying 4800 for 2 hrs with exactly what / who you want we're practically paying the same price. I'm no good for two straight hours, three pops in an all night encounter is the absolute max these days. Two pops for me with your 4800 girl would cost me 9600 plus whatever awkwardness there is between romps.
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.
I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.
Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.
Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation..
DramaFree11
10-18-21, 02:53
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.
I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.
Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.
Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation..Great post and very believable! Good job.
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.Exceptional first post! Very practical information that is relevant to both new visitors and those with experience. I will try to comment on some of your points later, but I wanted to be the first to say thank you and welcome to the world of ISG posting. We look forward to your continued contributions.
CallSignRomeo
10-18-21, 19:09
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.
Don't listen to the naysayers on this forum. I had no problems finding several operating, and had some great experiences. And next trip (Nov hopefully) I'm going to take this route even more I think, some really good looking girls available, and doesn't need as much effort upfront to get results.Good first report and almost most of it is true. The point of contention was not that good / average ladies are available for 100 $ or not for basic service but the fact that previous frequent travellers to Kiev have to pay NOW higher amount for this service which if I'm not mistaken was available for lower rates couple of years back. Most working ladies refuse or charge a lot for owo, DFK and any other extra services you might desire. Although dating and other platforms like mamba, tinder, badoo and what not are totally different ball games if you can separate the wheat from the chaff!
PhotoSlider
10-19-21, 04:58
Exceptional first post! Very practical information that is relevant to both new visitors and those with experience. I will try to comment on some of your points later, but I wanted to be the first to say thank you and welcome to the world of ISG posting. We look forward to your continued contributions.Hey man!
Great move submitting for report of distinction. We didn't have one in two years, and Jimbo5 provided excellent methodology!
What a gem indeed. None of that "Kiev is dead" naysayer bullshit. Instead he gives detailed, honest, and optimistic guide, ready to use by anybody. What to avoid, how to improve the chances, and literally what to tell the girls. Nobody thought about giving those examples of dialogs. Brilliant idea.
First report, and immediately scores so high! Hail the master instructor!
Been home a few weeks now after a 2 week working trip to Kyiv (my 2nd visit there) - thanks to everyone before me on the forum as the information, and debate here has been very useful. I wanted to share my experiences.
I'll post this in a few parts. This one is a run through of things I learnt, mainly using Mamba. I'm no expert. Unlike several on this thread. But I've picked a few things up I think would be useful for others.
Next will be how I got on with Apartments and lastly a review of the girls I met.
Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walkup to a brothel without some preparation...
I think that nobody said in the forum that there are no more hookers in Kiev. You got that wrong. But the glory days of Kiev are definitely over. Of course, as a newcomer, you can't see that. But if you come to Kiev for 10 years, 20 years or more, the differences from before are clear. Not just in terms of prices.
Before, you could go to a party in Kiev any day of the week. Disco every evening. And willing girls in every disco. Free or for little money. As a foreigner, you got into every club. There weren't any problems.
There's no party anywhere during the week today. The good locations for the weekend have become few. Many locations only let familiar faces in. As a foreigner, you can usually not get into the top clubs. You need good friends who live in Kiev and have been known there for a long time.
When I read that you received offers for 5000 UAh (almost $ 200). Then only for two hours and without extras, then for most people in this world there is no reason to go to Kiev for sex. For this money you can find women in every city in Europe. In the same class as in Kiev.
Many years ago, Kiev was known for girlfriend sex. You may have paid, but you didn't need to negotiate extras. 9 out of 10 girls fucked without a condom. What you call extras today was always included and completely normal. Mamba was also full of amateur girls. Not professionals.
What you describe and found on Mamba are professional hookers. Or brothels. That's the problem. There are now tons of brothel advertisements. Hiding behind some fake photos. The demands are excessive. And the few amateurs on Mamba are not as beautiful as they were in the old days. Quantity down. Quality down. Prices up. Extreme. Because even girls with a 5 on the 10th scale have their noses way up. And describe themselves as a top shot.
Such price lists with extras are real disruptive factors. If you don't agree everything beforehand and suddenly want to cum in your mouth during sex, how do you do that. ? I also had a girl who said 10 seconds before the final shot: "That costs 1000 UAH extra". And she wanted me to jump up 10 seconds before orgasm, get money out of my suitcase and pay for CIM.
Not to be forgotten: The basic price of these professional hookers only includes the pure act today. Blowing on with a condom. Sex with a condom. Each additional service is charged additionally. Kissing +1000 UAH, licking +1000 UAH, blowing without a condom +1500 UAH. Cumshot in the mouth and face +2000 UAH. No joke. I have often received such a price list from Viber, Telegram and Wup.
"That" is not the Kiev that everyone raved about years ago. And what you are describing is not "the" Kiev that I know from before. If you're from a country where hookers cost $ 500 an hour. Or where there are no hookers at all, then I agree with you. Then Kiev appears like paradise on earth. But $ 200 for 2 hours with a "5"? And not even girlfriend sex? No man has to travel to Kiev to do this. You can find it everywhere in Europe.
Before, you could go to a party in Kiev any day of the week. Disco every evening. And willing girls in every disco. Free or for little money. As a foreigner, you got into every club. There weren't any problems.I could deal with a difficult hooker scene, but this is basically why I never returned to Kiev.
PhotoSlider
10-19-21, 23:59
...Quick comment up front though. To all the posters giving a glum view of Kyiv. This was not my experience. Not only a great city, but also a lot of great girls looking to meet up. You just got to put in the legwork to get there. You are not going to just walk up to a brothel without some preparation...The best part about report by Jimbo5 is the fact that he didn't do it for his ego, or to compare his Kiev success to somebody else's, - especially not 10-20 years ago. Instead he provided the best practice guide to succeed today.
The most useful report in a few months. I would even say since the pandemy changed the world, and the way girls of Kiev were forced to operate in new reality. And please don't tell me "Nobody cares about COVID in Kiev!" The change is obvious and it is not coincidental, but some things stayed the same. Beautiful young Ukrainian females keep selling their treasures.
Jimbo5, thank you so much for explaining how find goodies of great quality for a fair price.
Lucky Nuts
10-20-21, 02:22
I'm back in Kyiv for a couple weeks. If anyone is in town and wants to join me on the hunt or just for a beer please PM.
The best part about report by Jimbo5 is the fact that he didn't do it for his ego, or to compare his Kiev success to somebody else's, - especially not 10-20 years ago. Instead he provided the best practice guide to succeed today.
But Kiev and the Ukraine live from exactly this 10-20 year old myth. The girlfriend sex. The (in reality nonexistent) surplus of women. All beautiful, cheap and willing.
If this were not the case, Kiev would have long been on the list of "bad" cities like Riga, Tallin or Vilnius.
The myth of Kiev is not made up of greedy girls. Girls to trade with. Filing every dollar. Like in the bazaar. And who want extra money for every little extra.
DramaFree11
10-20-21, 14:33
But Kiev and the Ukraine live from exactly this 10-20 year old myth. The girlfriend sex. The (in reality nonexistent) surplus of women. All beautiful, cheap and willing.
If this were not the case, Kiev would have long been on the list of "bad" cities like Riga, Tallin or Vilnius.
The myth of Kiev is not made up of greedy girls. Girls to trade with. Filing every dollar. Like in the bazaar. And who want extra money for every little extra.Mister,
You and I are living in the future. Some of the other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.
Too travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.
You are correct there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, with the exception of Friday the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.
Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe go check it out, you will be really disappointed.
Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine.
Girls, yes. Very average and not cheap. Girlfriend experience does not exist now. Zero nightlife and that is being kind. Scams everywhere.
CallSignRomeo
10-20-21, 19:24
Not to be forgotten: The basic price of these professional hookers only includes the pure act today. Blowing on with a condom. Sex with a condom. Each additional service is charged additionally. Kissing +1000 UAH, licking +1000 UAH, blowing without a condom +1500 UAH. Cumshot in the mouth and face +2000 UAH. No joke. I have often received such a price list from Viber, Telegram and Wup.
"That" is not the Kiev that everyone raved about years ago. And what you are describing is not "the" Kiev that I know from before. If you're from a country where hookers cost $ 500 an hour. Or where there are no hookers at all, then I agree with you. Then Kiev appears like paradise on earth. But $ 200 for 2 hours with a "5"? And not even girlfriend sex? No man has to travel to Kiev to do this. You can find it everywhere in Europe.Now that is a real report right there. From what I saw few months back in Kiev most working girls offer only basic service and there are no options for extras- at least that's what I got after ringing 25+ bordellos, brothels, salons and the likes. This is disappointing. You can make dummy account on telegram and hide your number and contact as many salons and you can verify that. As Ukraine nationals got visa free access to EU many Kiev ladies / salons moved their operations to other EU countries that was not possible before. But in my unbiased opinion if you have some cash to burn there are some really talented 'devushkas' in Ukraine and if you are long term visitor or rich guy this can work out for you bearing in mind if you can handle scam ladies.
P.S.- I was in touch with 2 scam girls previously mentioned by member here that operate out of the scam restaurant in Pechersk district. Watch out guys! Thanks for the heads up dude.
Mister,
You and I are living in the future. Some other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry, it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.
To travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.
You are correct, there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, except for Friday, the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights, the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.
Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe, go check it out, you will be really disappointed.
Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine.
Girls, yes. Very average and not cheap. Girlfriend experience does not exist now. Zero nightlife, and that is being kind. Scams everywhere.In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from? It is no GF services, or even BWC or if I ask for COB they ask me additional to the $100 so WTF? Their pimp is sitting in some of European countries and selling his own wife or daughter if he is lucky, the girls are working mostly private either in some live cam platforms or just using fake ID on social media and getting tax-free money, why shall stay in winter time in the cold outside waiting for an old dude like myself for paying them $100 and having demands? The reality is that either you see no girls in nightclubs or as I wrote here earlier, places like relax Kiev or Kiev massage are paying the ugly looking girls lots of money just to come on website's live cam for few hours and let customer book them for massage into luxury hotels (3 star plus) then pay them for 3000-8000 UAH for just 3 hours for service and as I asked if they make anal he answer: girls offer no sex service only HJ! I said in return, WTF is service then worth, just make me horney, so I can do myself? This is the reality of sex services in Kiev, Ukraine nowadays. Other website such Mamba or escort Kiev etc. All are not better earlier I just register, so I could write to the girls if she likes me we change phone number then I go to Kiev meet here, and we had fun I pay her or having anything funny hotel, bars, restaurant, and she was happy for the time I visit her, but now the F. admins push you to buy expensive membership and even if some girls (fake photos mostly) like you, I can not contact her or she in return, not before I buy her a gift 10-50 tokens means additional 40-$60 just to send her a fucking message and the admin try to stay safe in which religiously warn me "be aware even if you give the girl a gift it does not mean automatically she will respond" WTF do these fucking the. Heads think we are idiots? This is the big Nitesh in the market and anybody like to make his golden nose and catch a fish out of milky waters.
Dear fellow Hunters,
First of all I would like to thank Jimbo5 for his excellent report. Very helpful indeed shedding the light on the actual situation.
Me personally, I have been to Kiev many times, started visits probably 8 years ago. Before Covid I went every second month.
I had good and bad experiences in Kiev (met cute girls and had great sex, girls came and used fake photos, wasted my time.)
Bottom line: I haven't been back to Kiev since Covid and was longing to go back badly. Feel the city vibe, see my favourite places (Bars, Restaurants, Strip clubs.).
Luckily I still have some contacts and hope they will still provide the the known services.
Like everything and everywhere in the world, Prices are not what they used to be. So why should the GFE in Kiev still cost the same as it did 15-20 years ago?
Why should the people in Ukraine accept to be stuck on their status quo and not try to improve their quality of life?
It's just how the world turns.
I was in Dubai last week and many beautiful girls from all over the world go there:
1) Expo.
2) Weather.
3) Money (1 h is easily $ 200-300).
In Germany, if you want a true GFE, your best chance IMHO is Escort Service where girls charge 200-300 EUR / hour.
Sure, you can find girls for 130-150/ hour in a brothel or club, but bear in mind you're just one of the guys that day / week. I wouldn't expect a true GFE from them.
In summary: I am looking forward to my trip to Kiev because I missed it. I am ready to accept the changes that have become the normality and I am not going just for the hobby, but also to experience the city.
And if you don't, you are free to choose to go somewhere else. To treasure memories of the past is good, but we all need to realize and accept the facts of what's happening today.
I'll be in Kiev in the last week of Nov. Will report afterwards.
If someone wants to meet up for a drink or hunting, just get in touch.
DramaFree11
10-21-21, 17:54
In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from? It is no GF services, or even BWC or if I ask for COB they ask me additional to the $100 so WTF? Their pimp is sitting in some of European countries and selling his own wife or daughter if he is lucky, the girls are working mostly private either in some live cam platforms or just using fake ID on social media and getting tax-free money, why shall stay in winter time in the cold outside waiting for an old dude like myself for paying them $100 and having demands? The reality is that either you see no girls in nightclubs or as I wrote here earlier, places like relax Kiev or Kiev massage are paying the ugly looking girls lots of money just to come on website's live cam for few hours and let customer book them for massage into luxury hotels (3 star plus) then pay them for 3000-8000 UAH for just 3 hours for service and as I asked if they make anal he answer: girls offer no sex service only HJ! I said in return, WTF is service then worth, just make me horney, so I can do myself? This is the reality of sex services in Kiev, Ukraine nowadays. Other website such Mamba or escort Kiev etc. All are not better earlier I just register, so I could write to the girls if she likes me we change phone number then I go to Kiev meet here, and we had fun I pay her or having anything funny hotel, bars, restaurant, and she was happy for the time I visit her, but now the F. admins push you to buy expensive membership and even if some girls (fake photos mostly) like you, I can not contact her or she in return, not before I buy her a gift 10-50 tokens means additional 40-$60 just to send her a fucking message and the admin try to stay safe in which religiously warn me "be aware even if you give the girl a gift it does not mean automatically she will respond" WTF do these fucking the. Heads think we are idiots? This is the big Nitesh in the market and anybody like to make his golden nose and catch a fish out of milky waters.Key word. Girls are being paid to go to Clubs, especially the High End Places. I watched this with my one eyes. This has very rarely been mentioned. How the guys that use to post daily in the past leave this facts out and other, makes me wonder.
Now I here guys talk about scams as a normal event. It is not, and definitely not normal, but some guys in Ukraine think it is, "Okay".
The only way to be successful in Kiev is the Ground Game and good luck with that. Now if you work there and have local contacts, then it is different story.
In fact I was visiting Kiev since 80 ies, and now got old and as I see how things develop itself (due to political issues) then I read some reviews or reports here, although I was just last month there, I ask myself which place of Kiev these guys are reporting from? If you have been coming to Kiev since the 80's you should have amassed a huge number of contacts.
You know in a place like Frankfurt, Germany, if you go to an erotic massage place they will charge you 120 Euros an hour for a mediocre massage and a hand job. They are not prostitutes. Why would you go to such a place to find a girl to fuck?
Two weeks before this post you said you had not been to Kiev since before COVID and would be going soon and in this post you said you were there last month. Hmmmm.
Agency girls can be expensive for anything but the most basic services. That is a fact in Kiev. But if all you care about is fucking, there are plenty of girls that you can get for 2000 for an hourthey will be hit or miss for attractiveness. But really, everybody's taste is different so who is to say that I wouldn't think your taste was bad and you wouldn't think my taste is bad? But $75 an hour is far cheaper than almost any escort service in Europe. Cheaper than RLD in Germany. Far cheaper than FKK. Some guys like agencies or apartments. It is not my thing. And to lament that Kiev is not like the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's is not very constructive. There are very few mongering destinations in the world that are anywhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. Times move on. Kiev is a good value if you know how to look.
I don't know what website you are describing, but I get a free membership at Mamba and never pay for any services. Yes, you are right, you can't contact a girl if you are not in their preferred age range. But maybe 19 year old Sveta doesn't want to fuck 50 year old Bob. Mamba takes work, but you can find very good girls there for a very good value compared to the rest of Europe. You are never required to spend money on Mamba and I doubt any of the paid services are worth it.
Kiev is not what it was 15 years ago. But nowhere else is either. Ukraine is not stuck in time. The girls have opportunities. The internet has both opened up possibilities and ruined many things. Kiev is a known sex destination with very loose rule-of-law. Of course there are people that will take advantage of stupid people that can't think.
Kiev is also full of very good opportunities. Lots of very good girls that give absolutely awesome GFE for very affordable prices compared to the rest of Europe. Would I prefer to be somewhere else? Maybe. Do I think Kiev is still an above average destination for P4 P? Absolutely!
DramaFree11
10-28-21, 21:13
If you have been coming to Kiev since the 80's you should have amassed a huge number of contacts.
You know in a place like Frankfurt, Germany, if you go to an erotic massage place they will charge you 120 Euros an hour for a mediocre massage and a hand job. They are not prostitutes. Why would you go to such a place to find a girl to fuck?
Two weeks before this post you said you had not been to Kiev since before COVID and would be going soon and in this post you said you were there last month. Hmmmm.
Agency girls can be expensive for anything but the most basic services. That is a fact in Kiev. But if all you care about is fucking, there are plenty of girls that you can get for 2000 for an hourthey will be hit or miss for attractiveness. But really, everybody's taste is different so who is to say that I wouldn't think your taste was bad and you wouldn't think my taste is bad? But $75 an hour is far cheaper than almost any escort service in Europe. Cheaper than RLD in Germany. Far cheaper than FKK. Some guys like agencies or apartments. It is not my thing. And to lament that Kiev is not like the 80's, or 90's, or 2000's is not very constructive. There are very few mongering destinations in the world that are anywhere near as good as they were 15 years ago. Times move on. Kiev is a good value if you know how to look.Normally, I agree with most your posts, this one probably not. Kiev has declined dramatically, other destinations not even close to what is happening in Ukraine. Top end talent is leaving, as soon as they can get the hell out of there, this includes the business world.
As others mentioned you could find a party every night of the week, now not even Fridays.
You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.
You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.Yes, this country that 15 years had little access to the west, very little internet, very little mobility, a very poor economy, a culture that accepted prostitution as a means to survive without a serious social stigma, loose rule-of-law, and very low numbers of outsiders/tourists has declined in quality more sharply than other countries. It is no longer a monger's paradise. Now mobility has improved, internet is ubiquitous, Europe is visa free, the economy has improved, there are more outsiders, and more young girls have options so an 18 year old can do something other than fuck an old man for money. Of course, the monger's paradise has disappeared. Do you expect things to stay the same? If you do, you are a moron.
I have done a lot of P4P in Germany, and other than the ease of convenience, the girls in Kiev are just as attractive (maybe only 6's will fuck you but I get better), most I have been with provide far better GFE, and most I have been with are a lot less expensive for what I want. I have mongered less often in the UK, Spain, Italy, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, Greece, Russia, and other places in Europe and find the quality/price ratio for P4P for what I want to be better in Kiev. If I had a choice, I'd probably choose Russia over Ukraine to live but not necessarily for P4P. For P4P I would choose Kiev over any other place I have been in western Europe.
P4P in Philippines and Thailand has declined just as sharply as Kiev. And I am not particularly interested in these girls. I don't have experience in Africa. I have done a lot of reading and the only destination that looks really appealing to me right now is Colombia. From what friends tell me, the quality/value ratio for what I like is excellent.
My normal thing is to do 5000 UAH for 3 hours for very deep GFE including everything. The girls I see repeatedly are certainly better than 6's. 5000 may be expensive to some, but I can't get this price/service ratio in Western Europe, and I have been challenged to find it in other countries in Central and Eastern Europe. I Kiev I have some good experiences for less than $100 and some exceptional experiences for less than $200. I am old and not very attractive, but I do well here. Maybe you should look at yourself to determine why girls won't fuck you. Maybe it is your consistently shitty attitude.
LuvMexicanas
10-29-21, 08:06
Key word. Girls are being paid to go to Clubs, especially the High End Places. I watched this with my one eyes. This has very rarely been mentioned. How the guys that use to post daily in the past leave this facts out and other, makes me wonder.
Now I here guys talk about scams as a normal event. It is not, and definitely not normal, but some guys in Ukraine think it is, "Okay".
The only way to be successful in Kiev is the Ground Game and good luck with that. Now if you work there and have local contacts, then it is different story.So when were you last in Kiev?
Ivan Buyan
10-29-21, 10:58
Maybe you should look at yourself to determine why girls won't fuck you. Maybe it is your consistently shitty attitude.This is probably the wisest thought from all this discussion about past and present days of Kyiv.
Everything was better 15 years ago. Your dick worked better, you had more energy, you could party till morning without heavy hangover that makes you want to die.
Kyiv is still number one or maybe 2 in Europe for quality / price ratio.
As one of my Ukrainian Ex's told.
"There are no girls who do not suck dick. There are men who never get their dick sucked. ".
This is probably the wisest thought from all this discussion about past and present days of Kyiv.
Everything was better 15 years ago. Your dick worked better, you had more energy, you could party till morning without heavy hangover that makes you want to die.
Kyiv is still number one or maybe 2 in Europe for quality / price ratio.
As one of my Ukrainian Ex's told.
"There are no girls who do not suck dick. There are men who never get their dick sucked. ".Kiev is not worth going to any more. The quality of the girls are bad and they think they can take crazy money. I do not understand why men would go to Kiev to have fun. I been in Kiev many times over the last 9 years. But now I would never go to Kiev more. My advice to men is find a other country to have fun with the girl. Kiev is too expensive.
Kiev is not worth going to any more. The quality of the girls are bad and they think they can take crazy money. I do not understand why men would go to Kiev to have fun. I been in Kiev many times over the last 9 years. But now I would never go to Kiev more. My advice to men is find a other country to have fun with the girl. Kiev is too expensive.OK, can you explain to us what city is better?
Kiev is not worth going to any more. The quality of the girls are bad and they think they can take crazy money. I do not understand why men would go to Kiev to have fun. I been in Kiev many times over the last 9 years. But now I would never go to Kiev more. My advice to men is find a other country to have fun with the girl. Kiev is too expensive.The guys here who says kyiv is not worth going to anymore, I don't understand you.
I'm not very attractive but I'm a good guy, speak nice and treats the girlrs nice.
I'm not that much in kyiv ATM. But still in ukrain.
I still have my kyiv contacts and I have 2 girls who can come with short notice in genereal, and they are not getting anything else then 100-200 USD for a full evening / night.
I still have my odessa girl who I can fly in to kyic and before I paid 1000 USD for 3 nights, with her, now its 1000 USD for 4 night and the days, she is a solid 9 in pictures, and a 10 in bed.
Right now I'm mostly seeing a girl here from e medium town.
In picture she is maybe a 6/7.
In the bed she broke the 10 scale and probably a 12.
I have never before had to ask a girl calm down and give me relax.
She have not got anything higher then 1000 UAH for a full night here yet.
Ofc some chocolates, flowers and helped with a furniture for her daughters bed.
If you no succed in kyiv, my advise would be to be less an asshole and treat people nice.
It comes back to you 10 fold.
In 2008 I was with 3 friends I Poland celebrating a Business sales.
We had hired 6 girls already.
We treated them pretty good, nice hotels, good food and in general just very good manners from our side.
The girl I was most with I ran into nearly 10 years after, and she till that day could remember my name, and told she and her friends had talked alot about us, because most clients didn't had this nice treatment of them or spoke to them like humans.
So to everyone in kyiv not succeding, try jump in the helicopter and look down how your behaving.
Philosophus
10-30-21, 22:07
So to everyone in kyiv not succeding, try jump in the helicopter and look down how your behaving.Hestendk is right. Spend and be nice and good things will come your way. There is no question Kiev's offerings have diminished compared to 15 why ago. Visa free travel to Schengen (part of EU) sucks up some talent. Dubai is an option. Nevertheless, when I went to Kiev in 2012, I met a stunner. Petite, slim, young, narrow hips, very small tits, shapely feet, well raised, well taking care of herself, excellent taste in clothing, horny and out for money and her orgasmic pleasure. After a relatively lazy presence on Mamba. Paid her to the tune of 800 euro in three days of GFE in Kiev, which was a lot in 2012, but it made all the difference to my travel experience and I relish the thought of having spent time with her in and out of bed, including bouts of mish, plenty of CIM and plenty of CIF. My point is, in 2012 all the oldies dominating the Kiev thread were whining how the good times had gone, how bad 2012 was. Some doubted my graphic and entertaining report. The secret of mongering is making it happen in our time. Money and good behavior help.
Philosophus
10-30-21, 22:25
(I am not sure about ISG policy on reposting an already posted experience. I posted the following text in 2012. Entirely factual. Enticingly written. Hope you enjoy. I will not repost other old stuff. May this serve as inspiration for the post Covid adventurers.) I was in Kiev last week and had an unforgettable GFE. I am single, a Western national, decently handsome and sporty looking and speak fluent Russian. I was on a 3-day holiday and booked a room in a girl-friendly apartment. The apartments are furnished with mirrored oversize wardrobes, giving you a great panoramic view on what is happening in your bed as you lie in it. The large whirl pool in the bathroom also is handy. I prefer the slender petite small breasted dievs who try their small young feet in p4 p at 18 or 19. I forego the average – would rather spend the night alone. I despise more than others the public display and clamoring for the hot girls in the clubs. I tried my luck on mamba, set up a free account and searched for dievs, having put he checkmark „looking for sex'. Mamba is so user-group-oriented. I sent mamba mails to a few dievs, and in particular to one very nice looking one with more photos than the others and the most sexy profile entries like „looking for a sponsor', „like one-night stands', „loves sports and sex', „live a healthy lifestyle', „ambitious little dreamer'. 23 years. 1,62 m. 45 kg, just the right, tiny and tight frame to make for a wonderful visual and physical experience. The photos showed a gymnast's body, hard and healthy, in some stretch poses, but all in very good taste and somewhat discreet not to give away the diev's identity. To my honest suprise, this gal was the only one to respond to me. I explained my case to her by a few mamba mails: „age, educated and respectful Western single man looking for 3 days of GFE'. She replied in quick succession and asked some further questions for plausibility. Then she abruptly told her price, „100 USD per hour for sex with me', sent her e-mail and requested a photo picture and my cell phone number, which I supplied. I thought it sexy and professinal how she turned to the core of the matter. I told her that I insist on DFK and BBBJ and that she should come over right away. She sent an sms and I called her back. She was on her way, and said she was unsure and uneasy about whether I was telling the truth. I calmly replied in Russian that we should meet outside the apartment and take some food and talk. I bought some roses and waited for her outside the apartment. When I first saw her, I almost did not recognize her face from the photos, small frame, everything tiny and immaculate and very, very beautiful. Tight deep orange pants, black high heels exposing a pair of immaculate red toe nails, a blouse, a nicely maquillaged face, long flowing hair and pretty hands. We sat down. She was nervous but opened up during coffee and juice. After 20 min I asked her if she still was uneasy. She said she was fine and wanted to move to the apartment. We went up and looked at photos on my tablet, started to cuddle up and decided to undress one another. What a body, pure magic, not a gramm of fat, small but still shapely tits. We snaked around one another and watched one another in the mirror and exchanged DFK. We both had showered before. When we were naked we laid down and hugged. She seemed very receptive but not very active. I gave her a 40 min body massage, got to all parts and checked her out good, all very clean and cute and youthful, beautiful vag, She loved to bend over my body exposing her throat by kicking her head back in pleasure, and not minding my hand caressing her vag and mock gagging her exposed throat (I was very tender with this lass). Then she used her hands, lips and tongue on my body. No BBBJ, but she rolled her tongue and lips around my bare dick like biting into a sausage, avoiding contact with the glans. I asked her to motion her head always close to my dick for a more explicit image in the mirror and to use her hands without interruption. We fucked passionately with a condom, but I was a little tired, so I asked her to finish me off with her hands without condom. She readily responded. For the most intense orgasm, I laid on my back, moved her head back very close to my erect dick which was pointing skyward. She applied slight pressure to my balls and anus with the one hand while her other hand was jerking my dick in stride. I came, spurted five times, like a 20-year old porn stallion, long, hot and high shots of semen which smothered her hands and also hit her very pretty face. She continued to slowly rub the top of my dick which was lubricated in sperm for several minutes, and I could only sigh in awe for her patience and experience. Elegant, youthful, manicured fingers deeply covered in cum. She then showered and relatively soon wanted to leave, for she said she had to work the entire next day in the studio (her regular job). I gave her 250 EUR for 3 hours, thereof maybe 90 min in bed, plus 20 EUR for the taxi. The next day I spent looking at the musuems and sights, and could not wait to meet my diev for a repeat the day thereafter. That day we met at 3 pm in the city for I had promised to buy her a pair of shoes. She looked ravishing and very very sweet when she came into the coffee shop where we had agreed to meet. A 9 for the face and a 10 for the body, immaculate new high heels and black, reasonably tight pants, and a wonderful white blouse with a black rose. I had procured another set of white roses, which she appreciated a lot. What was to follow was a 3 hour shopping marathon that left me short of 300 EUR for 2 pairs of shoes, a skirt and a blouse. I was in a generous mood, but especially I enjoyed the fashion show this diev put on form as she went through endless pieces of apparel and footwear. She just would not quit. I was impressed with her taste, elegance and simplicity. None of the vulgar galore all to known in Eastern Europe aged, jaded or oversized ladies. I was suprised she even chose a pair of comfy no heel white ballerinas, which she wore from that point on, and a very sexy pair of medium heel summer sandals exposing her flawless feet. We ate Sushi and decided to make it back to the apartment. I was very hard, but our legs were tired. So we decided to jump into the whirl pool. I made a huge pile of foam and she entered naked. She wanted a few foam pictures on her camera which I took. Man, the diev looked like a star on Met_Art, clearly above the Met-Art average, which sometimes features gals who are too fleshy and big-boobed for my taste. I enterd the pool and placed myself underneath her, elevating her upper beautiful bodyscape out of the water. The water was slightly on the hot side. She enjoyed the coolnees of levitating half way in the water and halfway in the air, and I appreciated seeing her sexual parts nicely and delicately exposed amid mountain of foam. She still wore make up, and again threw her head back and was anxious were my massage would lead her. I caressed her tits which were pointing skywards. I carressed her tummy, her face and legs for endless times, shoving warm water and shampoo on her body in loose intervals. Finally I inserted my middle finger into her shaven pussy, which was very wet and slippery by that time. She parted her legs for better penetration and I started to gyrate my finger all the while caressing her tummy, tits and clit with the other hand. Finally I placed the free hand firmly on her venus mound and carressed her strongly there, with the middle finger of the other hand still doing its magic deep inside her tummy. She started moaning and panting for a long time, then pushing out high pitch, suppressed sounds of lust, one two, three, four, five, six, seven times and then she came in the sweetest way in a long succession of major convulsions. My generosity, nice manner, true story) and tenderness had turned this lass around from a pretty but reticent service attitude into a dreamy defenseless quimmering, overwhelmed, lust-flooded, lost orgasmic angel. We kept hugging for a long time and she entertained my dick with her hands under water. The next thing we did was see a major European football match event on TV before we retired to the bedroom for my deserved reward. The diev went right to work with a BBBJ, this time very slowly but surely attacking the glans with her tongue and then deep throating my member. She looked so good in the mirror in her motions, her tight stomach facing downwards to the bed without any type of curvature or even fat hangig down. She developed enormous energy and endurance – she would not want to have it any other way, until I spurt deep into her throat – I never saw my spice of life again. Afterwards she started a long back massage and we talked. When I was ready for a second round, I positioned her behind me telling her she should alawys show her face and body silhouette and point her hands and my dick towards the mirror. She stroked me expertly. Switching between seeing her innocent Met-Art type face and body and her rapidly flinging hands, fingers and nails around my dick and balls I could not hold on for long and spurted three times, the furst spurt again of spectacular quality, volume and height. She cleaned me and we relaxed. Later that evening we went out, shot some hours talking, eating sushi and smoking kaleon (which I will never do again). All in all I spent some 1 000 EUR on her in 2 days, which opened her up completely. She told me that her mamba page gets 6 000 visits a month (This lass gets between 50 and 100 responses a day, she said. She makes 250 EUR / month as a receptinist at a studio and about 1 000 EUR as a diev. She only gets herself to do 2 or 3 guys per month, she prefers foreigners, and she does not consider herself a prostitute. She wants a family and a decent life. She never does clubs and wants to stay discrete and unknown. She was never photographed and there is no pic of her on the web other than her mamba site. She lives in her apartment and enjoys a healthy life. In summary, I was very lucky to to be able to sponsor a Met-Art quality type of diev 23 years younger than myself, had endless voyeuristic pleasure and she made me cum at will. Sustaining and sponsoring the gal's shopping hobby until she was exhausted broke down all her defenses. 2nd evening with a stranger and the bimbo orgasmed entirely naturally, in love and totally at ease.
Scaramouche111
10-31-21, 04:24
Hi,
Thank you all for the contributions you all have made to this forum. I have learnt a lot from your posts.
I have been visiting Ukraine for the last 10 years. It is my first report in many years. I visit Kiev 1-2 times a year.
I have basic membership here, no PM. I will not be sharing any contacts, just outline my game, budget and talents available in Kiev for that money.
I agree with many of your posts that things have gotten difficult and expensive.
If you are coming for a weekend or few days, infrequently, your only options are expensive strip clubs and girls apartments through taxi drivers.
My Russian is basic. My English is better.
I used taxi (uber, Bolt, Ukrlon) and metro to get around.
I stayed near Kreschatyk.
My primary haunts were Tinder, Instagram, mamba & girls sitting on kreschatyk street (after 10-11 pm at night).
Warm weather helped to find Kreschatyk girls at night.
No agencies. No girls apartments.
I only looked for girls 18-25 (University students) and girls in and outside Kiev (1-2 hrs travel time).
Negotiations only in Uah not $$ or Euros.
I started contacting the girls online, a few weeks before my arrival.
For every 10 girls I wrote maybe 2-3 replied.
I did not give any money in advance, only when they arrived.
Some girls asked for money upfront. Some took money before they left.
I gave the girls some small gifts like a small box of chocolates from the supermarket or a small Nivea cream which they liked.
Above all, I treated them with decency & kindness.
Girls I did not like I met them only once. I did not treat them badly, just did not meet them again.
Most girls wanted to return for more than once. And many did.
My budget was at the lower end compared to most of you. But I was sincere & asked about a meeting directly.
So, many girls who were cash strapped understood that.
My budget: 800-1000 uah / HR for 3-4 hrs meeting including taxi during day. Nights averaged 4000 uah for 10 hours.
In my next post, I will upload some photos which girls sent me (so you can judge for yourself, the talents available for the money).
Ciao.
Hi,
Thank you all for the contributions you all have made to this forum. I have learnt a lot from your posts.
I have been visiting Ukraine for the last 10 years. It is my first report in many years. I visit Kiev 1-2 times a year.
I'm curious how old you are? Do you consider yourself good looking? Confident?
In my next post, I will upload some photos which girls sent me (so you can judge for yourself, the talents available for the money).Much more meaningful if you snap photos yourself in your apartment.
Scaramouche111
10-31-21, 19:43
I'm curious how old you are? Do you consider yourself good looking? Confident?I am late 40's but I look early 40's, though I have much grey hair. I am average looking. More than Confident, I am persistent.
And if girls behave badly, I politely restrict them to one meeting.
One thing I try to do is stick to my budget and not pay fantastic sums which many girls ask.
This time a few girls asked 1000-1500 $ for the night. Laughable amounts.
If I pay 5000 uah for the night, that is a rare occurrence.
Now due to Kiev & many cities in Ukraine in Covid Red zone, you will get many great girls in my budget. I would.
Ciao.
Scaramouche111
10-31-21, 19:50
Much more meaningful if you snap photos yourself in your apartment.Hi Riina,
I rarely take any photos with girls and even if I had in the past, I am very clumsy with photo editing.
Also the girls I take photo with, those are girls in my Repeat list and I usually don't put them on any site.
That said, these girls send me their photos and I met them.
You or anyone else are welcome to believe or disbelieve them.
I can't force anyone.
But yes, talents are available at a reasonable price in Kiev, if you are persistent and stick to your budget.
Just arrived back in USA after 16 months in Kyiv. Had to pay 5300 UAH fine (paid with debit card) for overstaying 90 day tourist visa, but no other penalty. I can return after 90 days, though my plan is to return next June. When I return, I will bring both protocol printout describing my visa violation and credit card receipt, just in case border control computer system didn't register my payment properly.
During our last meeting, I hinted to my regular that I might not be seeing her in the future. I'm happy with our time together so far (147 meets since we first met in 2017), but maybe it's time to move on, though I'm not sure what I want to do next. Maybe I just need some time away from her. I already took two breaks from her during my stay in Kyiv. I never have a desire for other girls than this regular, but I do sometimes have a strong desire to see no one for a month or two.
Ukraine has definitely changed since my first visit in 2015. I can afford higher prices. Decline in quality of strip club, apartment and agency girls is irrelevant because I currently prefer long-term sponsoring and there will probably always be plenty of quality girls (by my standards) available for sponsoring by guys who make some effort to be pleasant customers. Even in USA there are plenty such girls, though finding them is more difficult than in Ukraine and prices are obviously much higher.
Note that Kyiv rents have gone up substantially in recent years and are very high compared to what girls can earn in normal jobs, and thus they continue to be pressured to consider sponsoring or other forms of sex work. So no, Kyiv is not dead and finished and probably won't ever be, at least for longer-term sponsoring.
The guys here who says kyiv is not worth going to anymore, I don't understand you.
I'm not very attractive but I'm a good guy, speak nice and treats the girlrs nice.
I'm not that much in kyiv ATM. But still in ukrain.
I still have my kyiv contacts and I have 2 girls who can come with short notice in genereal, and they are not getting anything else then 100-200 USD for a full evening / night.
I still have my odessa girl who I can fly in to kyic and before I paid 1000 USD for 3 nights, with her, now its 1000 USD for 4 night and the days, she is a solid 9 in pictures, and a 10 in bed..Happy to hear you have a good time with your old contacts (how old are the 2 girls you are talking about? We are different I like to meet new and young girls (my max is meet the same girl 3-4 times and than I like to find a new one). If you are a tourist and only are in Kiev for shot period it will be difficult. Many girls aks 2600 - 8000 grn for 1 hour with fun. I'm just honest.
Sad that I'm not going to Kiev more because else when you and other guy's say you find girls for a super cheap price (young and good looking girls) these guy's could be my guide. But it is funny that no guy's there meet these super girls for a cheap price will share there information. Perhaps they not tell all the truth.
Good hunting to all in Kiev.
Normally, I agree with most your posts, this one probably not. Kiev has declined dramatically, other destinations not even close to what is happening in Ukraine. Top end talent is leaving, as soon as they can get the hell out of there, this includes the business world.
As others mentioned you could find a party every night of the week, now not even Fridays.
You can find cheap girls in Ukraine, but this will take, a lot of work, time and money. Under $100, even $200, you will probably be very disappointed. I am banging way better looking girls then I was in Kiev, not even close, so there are still beautiful girls all over the world. You probably will not find hot girls in Kiev, unless you are working there or living there full time, even then you will probably top out at a 6.You are so right. Prices are crazy now and very very difficult to find top talent.
First time in Ukraine. My main regret is visiting here sooner during its heyday. Quick diatribe: To guys who boast about how they can afford to overpay because they can. This is the litmus test. Would you pay double for a Happy Meal at a McDonald's? If not, then stop your BS. Bottomline is that you're a dumbass who's cheap in real life but a total SIMP when it comes to girls. Your type are all over the place and fuck it up for all the monger bros.
Now to my report. And also a caveat that I try to understand the market price and stick to it. Granted, I'm not a bargain hunter that go for the cheapest either. I tried a local escort site as pointed out by other bros here. The girl showed up and look nothing like the photo of course. Asked for taxi money. Gave her 100 UAH for the lesson she taught me.
In parallel, I'd been conversing with several girls from Seeking. At least on there, it's WYSIWYG. The part that I was preparing for is the asking price. The ones with Dubai and Maldive in their photos. You pretty know they're spoiled by the Arab SIMPs.
First one, $500 USD per meet. Second one, $600 USD. The most so far, $800 USD. WTF. And no, you can forget about the whole GDP rule. One thing you learn quickly is that mongering is like Gucci. The price tend to fall into similar radius almost everywhere in the world. However, only Hong Kong sugarbanbies outclass their Ukrainian counterpart. Thanks again SIMPs.
From the aforementioned escort site, the girls that look close to my spec are usually in the 5000 UAH per hour range. Also you got this thing where it's usually 1-2k extra for BBBJ. 1-2k for French kiss. And other services each with 1-3k added price. The price I stuck to was 6000 UAH for 2-3 hours date that (dinner and or drink, chat, back to hotel, FS). After maybe 6-8 conversation, I found one who accepted my 6000 UAH. Let's call her A. Interestingly ALL of them ask for my photo especially when we discuss dos / don't. Luckily I look pleasant enough for them to accept condition like kissing (which seem like something they tend to not do with people they find not so agreeable with).
Made appointment to meet at Tsum. When A showed up, I was relieved she looks more or less the same as her photos. Her Seeking photos are more normal. As mentioned, the one that looks like Instagram model / working girl, those ALL ask for crazy prices.
She barely spoke English but I'm used to this so we rely heavily on Deepl (better than Google plus I don't feel like having my convo collected by Google). When she finally took off her mask at the restaurant, she looked even better. Very lush nice lips. Of course I love those deep blue eyes which contrast well with her dyed black hair (she was original a dark blond). We actually got along pretty well.
Finally made our way back to my apartment. Spend another hour just chatting. She's much more relaxed by now. Finally it's time and she excused herself to shower. Like most European, she's fully waxed down there. A lot of deep soul searching kiss, which really turned me on. I'm not going to get into the act much but it's very GFE. In all, she spend over 3. 5 hours (yes I discreetly checked the time).
Again, if I referenced back to the popular escort sight, it would cost me at least 12 k UAH for 3 hours of action with the girls who look close to my type. Assuming they don't bait switch. And for me, that's also not worth going through because it's a waste of time for me. I'll follow up with more report but I just resort to this one avenue.
Lesson learned, almost all tier 1 SB (sugar babies) are in the $500-800 per meet range. Tier 1 are those whose photos look like those "Instagram model/hoe". You have better chance with tier 2 and 3 SB. Ukrainian tier 2 and 3 are better looking than most American SB tier 1. You can find a lot of tier 1 talents in Kyiv currently because the pandemic forced a lot of them to move back from Dubai and Turkey where the Arab SIMPs sometimes pay them $500 USD just to meet and chat (no sex). I know this cuz ALL the SB I met that worked in Dubai told me similar stories. And when these SB are used to that rate, reality still haven't settled in yet. Plus they still find SIMP like some here who love to boast how they happily overpay because they can (trying to hide the fact that more savvy mongers pay half of what they're paying...suckers).
It's gotten quite cold and I don't feel like braving the elements to strip club or call local sites hoping they'll look like the photo. Again, Seeking is not for everyone and I can say that most girls there are looking at $500 all the way to $1000. For those who have good lead for 2000 UAH, I would love to try it out. Or if you get better rate than what I paid for via seeking, would love to hear of it. Good luck to all the bros here and will try to find time to do part 2 soon. Cheers.
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First time in Ukraine. part 2 soon. Cheers.Excellent post ecchi, is always good to read interesting experiences about Kiev market, waiting for second part.
Happy to hear you have a good time with your old contacts (how old are the 2 girls you are talking about? We are different I like to meet new and young girls (my max is meet the same girl 3-4 times and than I like to find a new one). If you are a tourist and only are in Kiev for shot period it will be difficult. Many girls aks 2600 - 8000 grn for 1 hour with fun. I'm just honest.
Sad that I'm not going to Kiev more because else when you and other guy's say you find girls for a super cheap price (young and good looking girls) these guy's could be my guide. But it is funny that no guy's there meet these super girls for a cheap price will share there information. Perhaps they not tell all the truth.
Good hunting to all in Kiev.The 2 Girls are 25 and 32.
The 25 yeaqrs old I was meet first time she was 22, the 32 first time she was 24/25.
With longer contacts I feel sex gets much better then before.
The 32 Years old are married now, but sometimes ask for meetings, even sleepover.
And she is crazy in bed and really loves sex.
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Scaramouche111
11-05-21, 17:32
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The 2 Girls are 25 and 32.
The 25 yeaqrs old I was meet first time she was 22, the 32 first time she was 24/25.
With longer contacts I feel sex gets much better then before.
The 32 Years old are married now, but sometimes ask for meetings, even sleepover.
And she is crazy in bed and really loves sex.Thanks for your reply. I respect people there answer honest.
But I just tell how I see Kiev now. If tourist think they can find cheap young and good looking girls. It is very difficult.
Perhaps if you are a young tourist you have better changes.
To all there is going to Kiev have fun but do not be disappointed when you have to pay crazy money for a girl.
(I am not sure about ISG policy on reposting an already posted experience. I posted the following text in 2012. Entirely factual. Enticingly written. Hope you enjoy. I will not repost other old stuff. May this serve as inspiration for the post Covid adventurers.) I was in Kiev last week and had an unforgettable GFE. I am single, a Western national, decently handsome and sporty looking and speak fluent Russian. I was on a 3-day holiday and booked a room in a girl-friendly apartment. The apartments are furnished with mirrored oversize wardrobes, giving you a great panoramic view on what is happening in your bed as you lie in it. The large whirl pool in the bathroom also is handy. I prefer the slender petite small breasted dievs who try their small young feet in p4 p at 18 or 19. I forego the average would rather spend the night alone. I despise more than others the public display and clamoring for the hot girls in the clubs. I tried my luck on mamba, set up a free account and searched for dievs, having put he checkmark looking for sex'. Mamba is so user-group-oriented. I sent mamba mails to a few dievs, and in particular to one very nice looking one with more photos than the others and the most sexy profile entries like looking for a sponsor', like one-night stands', loves sports and sex', live a healthy lifestyle', ambitious little dreamer'. 23 years. 1,62 m. 45 kg, just the right, tiny and tight frame to make for a wonderful visual and physical experience. The photos showed a gymnast's body, hard and healthy, in some stretch poses, but all in very good taste and somewhat discreet not to give away the diev's identity. To my honest suprise, this gal was the only one to respond to me. I explained my case to her by a few mamba mails: age, educated and respectful Western single man looking for 3 days of GFE'. She replied in quick succession and asked some further questions for plausibility. Then she abruptly told her price, 100 USD per hour for sex with me', sent her e-mail and requested a photo picture and my cell phone number, which I supplied. I thought it sexy and professinal how she turned to the core of the matter. I told her that I insist on DFK and BBBJ and that she should come over right away. She sent an sms and I called her back. She was on her way, and said she was unsure and uneasy about whether I was telling the truth. I calmly replied in Russian that we should meet outside the apartment and take some food and talk. I bought some roses and waited for her outside the apartment. When I first saw her, I almost did not recognize her face from the photos, small frame, everything tiny and immaculate and very, very beautiful. Tight deep orange pants, black high heels exposing a pair of immaculate red toe nails, a blouse, a nicely maquillaged face, long flowing hair and pretty hands. We sat down. She was nervous but opened up during coffee and juice. After 20 min I asked her if she still was uneasy. She said she was fine and wanted to move to the apartment. We went up and looked at photos on my tablet, started to cuddle up and decided to undress one another. What a body, pure magic, not a gramm of fat, small but still shapely tits. We snaked around one another and watched one another in the mirror and exchanged DFK. We both had showered before. When we were naked we laid down and hugged. She seemed very receptive but not very active. I gave her a 40 min body massage, got to all parts and checked her out good, all very clean and cute and youthful, beautiful vag, She loved to bend over my body exposing her throat by kicking her head back in pleasure, and not minding my hand caressing her vag and mock gagging her exposed throat (I was very tender with this lass). Then she used her hands, lips and tongue on my body. No BBBJ, but she rolled her tongue and lips around my bare dick like biting into a sausage, avoiding contact with the glans. I asked her to motion her head always close to my dick for a more explicit image in the mirror and to use her hands without interruption. We fucked passionately with a condom, but I was a little tired, so I asked her to finish me off with her hands without condom. She readily responded. For the most intense orgasm, I laid on my back, moved her head back very close to my erect dick which was pointing skyward. She applied slight pressure to my balls and anus with the one hand while her other hand was jerking my dick in stride. I came, spurted five times, like a 20-year old porn stallion, long, hot and high shots of semen which smothered her hands and also hit her very pretty face. She continued to slowly rub the top of my dick which was lubricated in sperm for several minutes, and I could only sigh in awe for her patience and experience. Elegant, youthful, manicured fingers deeply covered in cum. She then showered and relatively soon wanted to leave, for she said she had to work the entire next day in the studio (her regular job). I gave her 250 EUR for 3 hours, thereof maybe 90 min in bed, plus 20 EUR for the taxi. The next day I spent looking at the musuems and sights, and could not wait to meet my diev for a repeat the day thereafter. That day we met at 3 pm in the city for I had promised to buy her a pair of shoes. She looked ravishing and very very sweet when she came into the coffee shop where we had agreed to meet. A 9 for the face and a 10 for the body, immaculate new high heels and black, reasonably tight pants, and a wonderful white blouse with a black rose. I had procured another set of white roses, which she appreciated a lot. What was to follow was a 3 hour shopping marathon that left me short of 300 EUR for 2 pairs of shoes, a skirt and a blouse. I was in a generous mood, but especially I enjoyed the fashion show this diev put on form as she went through endless pieces of apparel and footwear. She just would not quit. I was impressed with her taste, elegance and simplicity. None of the vulgar galore all to known in Eastern Europe aged, jaded or oversized ladies. I was suprised she even chose a pair of comfy no heel white ballerinas, which she wore from that point on, and a very sexy pair of medium heel summer sandals exposing her flawless feet. We ate Sushi and decided to make it back to the apartment. I was very hard, but our legs were tired. So we decided to jump into the whirl pool. I made a huge pile of foam and she entered naked. She wanted a few foam pictures on her camera which I took. Man, the diev looked like a star on Met_Art, clearly above the Met-Art average, which sometimes features gals who are too fleshy and big-boobed for my taste. I enterd the pool and placed myself underneath her, elevating her upper beautiful bodyscape out of the water. The water was slightly on the hot side. She enjoyed the coolnees of levitating half way in the water and halfway in the air, and I appreciated seeing her sexual parts nicely and delicately exposed amid mountain of foam. She still wore make up, and again threw her head back and was anxious were my massage would lead her. I caressed her tits which were pointing skywards. I carressed her tummy, her face and legs for endless times, shoving warm water and shampoo on her body in loose intervals. Finally I inserted my middle finger into her shaven pussy, which was very wet and slippery by that time. She parted her legs for better penetration and I started to gyrate my finger all the while caressing her tummy, tits and clit with the other hand. Finally I placed the free hand firmly on her venus mound and carressed her strongly there, with the middle finger of the other hand still doing its magic deep inside her tummy. She started moaning and panting for a long time, then pushing out high pitch, suppressed sounds of lust, one two, three, four, five, six, seven times and then she came in the sweetest way in a long succession of major convulsions. My generosity, nice manner, true story) and tenderness had turned this lass around from a pretty but reticent service attitude into a dreamy defenseless quimmering, overwhelmed, lust-flooded, lost orgasmic angel. We kept hugging for a long time and she entertained my dick with her hands under water. The next thing we did was see a major European football match event on TV before we retired to the bedroom for my deserved reward. The diev went right to work with a BBBJ, this time very slowly but surely attacking the glans with her tongue and then deep throating my member. She looked so good in the mirror in her motions, her tight stomach facing downwards to the bed without any type of curvature or even fat hangig down. She developed enormous energy and endurance she would not want to have it any other way, until I spurt deep into her throat I never saw my spice of life again. Afterwards she started a long back massage and we talked. When I was ready for a second round, I positioned her behind me telling her she should alawys show her face and body silhouette and point her hands and my dick towards the mirror. She stroked me expertly. Switching between seeing her innocent Met-Art type face and body and her rapidly flinging hands, fingers and nails around my dick and balls I could not hold on for long and spurted three times, the furst spurt again of spectacular quality, volume and height. She cleaned me and we relaxed. Later that evening we went out, shot some hours talking, eating sushi and smoking kaleon (which I will never do again). All in all I spent some 1 000 EUR on her in 2 days, which opened her up completely. She told me that her mamba page gets 6 000 visits a month (This lass gets between 50 and 100 responses a day, she said. She makes 250 EUR / month as a receptinist at a studio and about 1 000 EUR as a diev. She only gets herself to do 2 or 3 guys per month, she prefers foreigners, and she does not consider herself a prostitute. She wants a family and a decent life. She never does clubs and wants to stay discrete and unknown. She was never photographed and there is no pic of her on the web other than her mamba site. She lives in her apartment and enjoys a healthy life. In summary, I was very lucky to to be able to sponsor a Met-Art quality type of diev 23 years younger than myself, had endless voyeuristic pleasure and she made me cum at will. Sustaining and sponsoring the gal's shopping hobby until she was exhausted broke down all her defenses. 2nd evening with a stranger and the bimbo orgasmed entirely naturally, in love and totally at ease.
Frankly, if back in 2012, I'm not sure if this is such a good example of the best time in Kiev at 250 Euros (probably about 300 Dollars?) for 3 hours. That is exactly how much Rio was charging back then, and I have to say Rio girl could be just as pretty and as GFE, depending on the girl.
That said, how about a whole thread here just to talk about how great it was in Kyiv 10-20 years back? It's important to know how to survive in Kyiv today, but nothing's wrong with reminiscing good, old times, hoping history would repeat. After all, I believe, reminiscing good, old times is what we all do right before we die. I would definitely contribute to this thread, although I don't aspire to present the best example of the best times. I've lurked in Kyiv since 2004, but mine may come from 6 or even 3 years ago)).
https://ra.co/news/76353?fbclid=IwAR0ii7JfEkFG42cwpES1saDpwwkjmnss1JLFvGWnYNDlFCetZEfTJE0vxjwThis article is silly. The "far right" isn't that far to the right as propaganda would have you think. As a journalist covering the war since 2014 I can safely tell you there are Jewish, Muslim, and mixed raced people in movements like right Sector and the vast majority of these people are concerning themselves with the Russian invasion in the east; not on what's going on in a club in Podil. And why would they say the would attack passers by? Also, I know a lot of activists on the right here in Ukraine and nobody ever heard of this person. Its total BS.
CallSignRomeo
11-08-21, 23:01
This article is silly. The "far right" isn't that far to the right as propaganda would have you think. As a journalist covering the war since 2014 I can safely tell you there are Jewish, Muslim, and mixed raced people in movements like right Sector and the vast majority of these people are concerning themselves with the Russian invasion in the east; not on what's going on in a club in Podil. And why would they say the would attack passers by? Also, I know a lot of activists on the right here in Ukraine and nobody ever heard of this person. Its total BS.Although Kiev city center is still ok for foreigners of colour this is certainly not true for whole of Ukraine as such. There's reason why majority of colored people be it students (Asian / African,/ Arabs / Israel / mix) or tourists do not walk alone and are always in groups. The reasons for that are beyond the scope of this site but there is certainly palpable fear arising either out of the current security situation at border, refugee crisis in EU and / or rise of ultra nationalists groups currently active both in Ukraine and Russia. People of colour and minority groups should definitely exercise caution.
Anyone in Kiev? Just arrive and went to look at a few salons. Quality has not only gone down but price has gone up to since I was here in December last year. I think now the best bet is to have indies or semi pros.
Does anyone have any contacts. You can also pm me.
Thanks.
Girls in Kiev https://sex-kiev.info/ will take you if you are bored. Their service sector includes almost everything, at different prices.
BenTiger07
11-15-21, 16:06
Anyone in Kiev? Just arrive and went to look at a few salons. Quality has not only gone down but price has gone up to since I was here in December last year. I think now the best bet is to have indies or semi pros.
Does anyone have any contacts. You can also pm me.
Thanks.Not peak season with the weather. What prices you roughly seeing? I may go soon. I'll enjoy the monger scene but I also hear Ukraine's a good place for foreigners to look for a relationship. Not sure how with the language barrier, but I'll find out.
Hello brothers,
I will be in Kiev right after Thanksgiving, for like one week or shorter.
Anyone wants to do actions together. Cohunting, partying together?
Philosophus
11-15-21, 21:39
Girls in Kiev https://sex-kiev.info/ will take you if you are bored. Their service sector includes almost everything, at different prices.The pics are mostly fake. A digest of images from Met-Art, Amour Angels and the like. If a site like this lies reg. The pics, what else is there, truth or deception? The distinguished monger will have a much better experience by digging much deeper than calling the posted numbers. This was the first post by the poster. Please keep posting. Be more specific than "almost everything" or "different prices", please.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/21/magazine/kyiv-parties-coronavirus.html?campaign_id=9&emc=edit_nn_20210923&instance_id=41117&nl=the-morning®i_id=128186503&segment_id=69686&te=1&user_id=a6c4cff9c3c90680fd398476571a234dI was staying at the Hilton where they were throwing these parties last year. Kindof need to know someone tho to get an invite.
Punter6996
11-16-21, 16:21
This is kind of off topic, but I was wondering if there are any punters that can provide any insight.
I am currently in Turkey on a tourist visa, and I was trying to get vaccinated, but it seems only those with a residence permit can book an appointment for getting vaccinated. Getting residence permit takes time and IMHO not worth the hassle just for the sake of getting vaccinated.
Ukraine is a short flight from here, and looking at Airbnb, it seems rentals are cheaper in Ukraine especially Odessa compared to Istanbul.
So I was wondering, are foreigners visiting Ukraine able to get vaccinated if they choose to? I won't be arriving on a tourist visa as such, as my passport allows me to stay in Ukraine for up to 90 days without visa.
This is kind of off topic, but I was wondering if there are any punters that can provide any insight.
I am currently in Turkey on a tourist visa, and I was trying to get vaccinated, but it seems only those with a residence permit can book an appointment for getting vaccinated. Getting residence permit takes time and IMHO not worth the hassle just for the sake of getting vaccinated.
Ukraine is a short flight from here, and looking at Airbnb, it seems rentals are cheaper in Ukraine especially Odessa compared to Istanbul.
So I was wondering, are foreigners visiting Ukraine able to get vaccinated if they choose to? I won't be arriving on a tourist visa as such, as my passport allows me to stay in Ukraine for up to 90 days without visa.I doubt you can get BionTech or Moderna in Ukraine easily. Better prospects in Belgrade.
Punter6996
11-17-21, 01:45
I doubt you can get BionTech or Moderna in Ukraine easily. Better prospects in Belgrade.According to the news report below, Serbia was vaccinating foreigners without any conditions but that has now come to an end:
https://www.dw.com/en/serbia-cancels-drive-for-covid-vaccine-tourism/av-57252425
This is kind of off topic, but I was wondering if there are any punters that can provide any insight.
I am currently in Turkey on a tourist visa, and I was trying to get vaccinated, but it seems only those with a residence permit can book an appointment for getting vaccinated. Getting residence permit takes time and IMHO not worth the hassle just for the sake of getting vaccinated.
Ukraine is a short flight from here, and looking at Airbnb, it seems rentals are cheaper in Ukraine especially Odessa compared to Istanbul.
So I was wondering, are foreigners visiting Ukraine able to get vaccinated if they choose to? I won't be arriving on a tourist visa as such, as my passport allows me to stay in Ukraine for up to 90 days without visa.Go to a private cilnic like IMP or Universum and pay for it. No problem. You can probably make the appointment and get it as soon as you arrive.
Hi,
I recently came to Kyiv. I would appreciate if any of you Senior guys can share contacts of independent girls or safe Massage parlours.
Thanks.
Lucky Nuts
12-02-21, 02:11
Darling Club has re-opened with a new owner. I'm told there have been remodedling improvements. Hope someone in town can check it out and let us know how the girls look.
First time in Ukraine. My main regret is visiting here sooner during its heyday. Quick diatribe: To guys who boast about how they can afford to overpay because they can. This is the litmus test. Would you pay double for a Happy Meal at a McDonald's? If not, then stop your BS. Bottomline is that you're a dumbass who's cheap in real life but a total SIMP when it comes to girls. Your type are all over the place and fuck it up for all the monger bros.
Now to my report. And also a caveat that I try to understand the market price and stick to it. Granted, I'm not a bargain hunter that go for the cheapest either. I tried a local escort site as pointed out by other bros here. The girl showed up and look nothing like the photo of course. Asked for taxi money. Gave her 100 UAH for the lesson she taught me.
In parallel, I'd been conversing with several girls from Seeking. At least on there, it's WYSIWYG. The part that I was preparing for is the asking price. The ones with Dubai and Maldive in their photos. You pretty know they're spoiled by the Arab SIMPs.
First one, $500 USD per meet. Second one, $600 USD. The most so far, $800 USD. WTF. And no, you can forget about the whole GDP rule. One thing you learn quickly is that mongering is like Gucci. The price tend to fall into similar radius almost everywhere in the world. However, only Hong Kong sugarbanbies outclass their Ukrainian counterpart. Thanks again SIMPs.
From the aforementioned escort site, the girls that look close to my spec are usually in the 5000 UAH per hour range. Also you got this thing where it's usually 1-2k extra for BBBJ. 1-2k for French kiss. And other services each with 1-3k added price. The price I stuck to was 6000 UAH for 2-3 hours date that (dinner and or drink, chat, back to hotel, FS). After maybe 6-8 conversation, I found one who accepted my 6000 UAH. Let's call her A. Interestingly ALL of them ask for my photo especially when we discuss dos / don't. Luckily I look pleasant enough for them to accept condition like kissing (which seem like something they tend to not do with people they find not so agreeable with).
Made appointment to meet at Tsum. When A showed up, I was relieved she looks more or less the same as her photos. Her Seeking photos are more normal. As mentioned, the one that looks like Instagram model / working girl, those ALL ask for crazy prices.
She barely spoke English but I'm used to this so we rely heavily on Deepl (better than Google plus I don't feel like having my convo collected by Google). When she finally took off her mask at the restaurant, she looked even better. Very lush nice lips. Of course I love those deep blue eyes which contrast well with her dyed black hair (she was original a dark blond). We actually got along pretty well.
Finally made our way back to my apartment. Spend another hour just chatting. She's much more relaxed by now. Finally it's time and she excused herself to shower. Like most European, she's fully waxed down there. A lot of deep soul searching kiss, which really turned me on. I'm not going to get into the act much but it's very GFE. In all, she spend over 3. 5 hours (yes I discreetly checked the time).
Again, if I referenced back to the popular escort sight, it would cost me at least 12 k UAH for 3 hours of action with the girls who look close to my type. Assuming they don't bait switch. And for me, that's also not worth going through because it's a waste of time for me. I'll follow up with more report but I just resort to this one avenue.
Lesson learned, almost all tier 1 SB (sugar babies) are in the $500-800 per meet range. Tier 1 are those whose photos look like those "Instagram model/hoe". You have better chance with tier 2 and 3 SB. Ukrainian tier 2 and 3 are better looking than most American SB tier 1. You can find a lot of tier 1 talents in Kyiv currently because the pandemic forced a lot of them to move back from Dubai and Turkey where the Arab SIMPs sometimes pay them $500 USD just to meet and chat (no sex). I know this cuz ALL the SB I met that worked in Dubai told me similar stories. And when these SB are used to that rate, reality still haven't settled in yet. Plus they still find SIMP like some here who love to boast how they happily overpay because they can (trying to hide the fact that more savvy mongers pay half of what they're paying...suckers).
It's gotten quite cold and I don't feel like braving the elements to strip club or call local sites hoping they'll look like the photo. Again, Seeking is not for everyone and I can say that most girls there are looking at $500 all the way to $1000. For those who have good lead for 2000 UAH, I would love to try it out. Or if you get better rate than what I paid for via seeking, would love to hear of it. Good luck to all the bros here and will try to find time to do part 2 soon. Cheers.This made me think of the model agency route. I have not been happy with the quality that show up to the meet on SA. Way too much catfishing. But the first time I came I contact a bunch of modeling agencies to guide me. To my surprise was able to meet a stunner for nothing more than a dinner which ended after numerous visits to see me in the states. That agency closed down but I've been using my another agency. Most of the girls are normal girls working in milan and paris but obviously not very successful or wannabe models. Be back later this month but with a little work and digging Kiev is very much worth it.
This made me think of the model agency route. I have not been happy with the quality that show up to the meet on SA. Way too much catfishing. But the first time I came I contact a bunch of modeling agencies to guide me. To my surprise was able to meet a stunner for nothing more than a dinner which ended after numerous visits to see me in the states. That agency closed down but I've been using my another agency. Most of the girls are normal girls working in milan and paris but obviously not very successful or wannabe models. Be back later this month but with a little work and digging Kiev is very much worth it.I am hoping you have some time to explain this a big more. What would you recommend as search terms and any background or context around this model agency route? I'm intrigued, but have no idea what you're talking about.
I am hoping you have some time to explain this a big more. What would you recommend as search terms and any background or context around this model agency route? I'm intrigued, but have no idea what you're talking about.I posted about this after my first time going in 2007 where I email every legitimate modeling agency in Ukraine- Kiev and Odessa saying I'm coming on business and would like to meet some of your models to show me around time. I emailed maybe 10-15 agencies with 1 reply at the time but that was enough. I was able to meet 3 girls on my first trip. Paid 100 per introduction and the rest was up to my game to see if I can pull. Hooked up with 1 of the 3 and that was an amazing experience. Since then P* Models has closed its door but I have found another agency that's an even better agency. Every time in town I will check in to see which girls are available. It does depend on your game to see how far you can get with these girls.
Also i would say i have a very good Instagram page and i used IG and tinder also to pipeline meets prior to visits.
PhotoSlider
12-02-21, 21:51
Darling Club has re-opened with a new owner. I'm told there have been remodedling improvements. Hope someone in town can check it out and let us know how the girls look.The proverbial mamasan used to say: "When business slows down at the brothel, you don't change the furniture, you change the sluts."
NeilGeorge
12-03-21, 05:34
The proverbial mamasan used to say: "When business slows down at the brothel, you don't change the furniture, you change the sluts."But you can remove the cum stains from the couch, or get new couches!
PhotoSlider
12-03-21, 22:19
But you can remove the cum stains from the couch, or get new couches!Naaah, - just dim down the lights, and don't make those stains detectable with UV light. As long as the girl is beautiful and accommodating on the low maintenance leather couch, I don't care. No need even to get drunk. The ultimate criteria is the ability to get her phone number without paying that $300 checkout fee. But different players have different preferences.
And to be completely frank, last time I was in the strip club, it was 2017 with my dedicated friend Natasha. She loves tipping strippers on stage. When Mandarin on the river shore worked in 2015, she finished off 3 bottles of champagne in a few hours without much of my help.
One of those clubs around Basseina in 2018 sourced quality girls at 2000 UAH + 100 taxi fee to my apartment. Viber photos they sent through independent dispatcher had those red walls and black leather sofa. I've never been to Darling, but friends positively said it was Darling indeed. I lured the 19 years old sweety from there, and had her till she turned 22. So, I would say, yes, girls are more important than furniture, especially if I do not have an intention to go there.
My apologies for being useless, and going down the memory lane. Every few years Kiev changes. I hear for some of my friends the best time in the last 10-15 years is now.
Lucky Nuts
12-04-21, 03:58
The proverbial mamasan used to say: "When business slows down at the brothel, you don't change the furniture, you change the sluts."Actually I hope the new owner can get some of the old ones back but probably they have moved on. Pre-covid Darling was my best place to get solid 8's. Hella deal for 2200/ hour back then. But I expect the new rates start at 3000 as do the apartments.
PhotoSlider
12-05-21, 06:48
Actually I hope the new owner can get some of the old ones back but probably they have moved on. Pre-covid Darling was my best place to get solid 8's. Hella deal for 2200/ hour back then. But I expect the new rates start at 3000 as do the apartments.I had them delivered back in 2018-2019 for 2000+100, and yes, 8 by the looks easily, and 10+ attitude. I believe they liked getting away from the club.
Indeed, girls change quickly. I once in August 2019 asked for a certain girl I had in May 2019, and dispatcher said it's ancient history, most of the girls do not stay that long. And those that do, become jaded and digital / fake (not analog / GFE).
Hellow fellows,
Thinking about going to Kiev in December before major holidays, but the situation is getting worse. Omicron threat, and war threat.
Any local atmosphere there would be appreciated.
PhotoSlider
12-07-21, 10:09
Hellow fellows,
Thinking about going to Kiev in December before major holidays, but the situation is getting worse. Omicron threat, and war threat.
Any local atmosphere there would be appreciated.To set it straight:
1. I am not in Kiev at the moment.
2. There is a war between Russia and Ukraine right now. Total casualties since 2014 exceed 10,000. Not a threat, a real war.
3. I have been in Kiev in 2014 in the middle of it all. Didn't feel much difference with my visits before: in 1986,2003-2013 or after: in 2015-2019.
To be fair, there is a threat of a serious escalation. They say end of January. Who knows?! I hope it will not touch the Capital City.
The risk of getting sick with COVID is a much higher concern to me personally. It's a gamble I prefer not to take. Kinda keeps me away. If mentally I am not ready to kiss my beloved concubines, then why bother? After all I am not a Neanderthal who needs to put his dick into affordable beauties.
Many boys go, enjoy and are unaffected as we continue discussions here on Forum. To each his own.
FilthyBeaver
12-08-21, 15:35
Without getting too much into geopolitics, Russia is seeking (rightfully so in my opinion) guaranteed security on it's southwestern flank against NATO and resolution to the Nordstream nonsense. I know someone I trust in Kyiv and he told me Ukraine has recently reclaimed two towns in Donbass. Not that means much of anything. Time will tell if I'm right or not but I figure I can get out of the country in half a day. It will take the Russians a lot longer than that to get to Kyiv so I'll be there in a couple weeks. And fuck omicron I'm double vaxed and couldn't give two shits. All this overreaction to what is basically a mild flu for any reasonably healthy person is and has always been utter nonsense, I've been over this whole thing since Apr last year.
Hellow fellows,
Thinking about going to Kiev in December before major holidays, but the situation is getting worse. Omicron threat, and war threat.
Any local atmosphere there would be appreciated.
PhotoSlider
12-09-21, 05:45
The risk of getting sick with COVID is a much higher concern to me personally...
...Many boys go, enjoy and are unaffected as we continue discussions here on Forum. To each his own.Politics aside, the key phrase in my statement is "concern to me personally".
Do not mean to impose, or get into theological discussions. Again, to each his own.
My trusted friends reside in Kiev, or already traveled there many times since January 2020, and are indeed unaffected and immensely happy with superb Ukrainian ladies.
I did Pfizer shot. Over the years my immune system proved being rather strong.
And yet, I regret to inform (inform my beloved concubines, not the Forum) that until chestnut trees are in blossom again, or maybe longer than that, I am unlikely to suddenly appear on K-street. Kiev will be fine without me for few hundred years more.
Thank you for the information regarding the current political situs.
Girls I am contacting in Kiev appear to be just disinterested in war.
How about the market? Are they going lower? I am targeting usually semi-pros from Mamba. Are they downplay or still high-nose?
Lucky Nuts
12-10-21, 16:28
Made a 13 night visit to Kiev in late October. The game is not as good as it was the past two years. Darling club was my favorite place and this time it was closed. Also closed are many apartments that were operated by that same organization. As well as a couple other unaffiliated apartments. So the choices have been reduced and the prices have been increased. One year ago the most common ask was 2200/ hour and now it's 3000.
Still I had an enjoyable trip with about 22 sessions over 18 different girls. My best girls came from a couple agents I've known for the last three years as they brought me to a couple very good apartments, one brand new agency I lucked into finding and a couple recs from fellow ISG members. But I had to pay more for all these sessions except for one girl I knew from last year. One apartment (#46 if you know the building) had girls asking 6000 or even 7000. I didn't see anything special in those girls justifying those crazy prices. The best girls for me were 3000/ hour no rush. In fact one agent followed up with me later and asked if I extended to two hours LOL. These girls were 19 to 21 with a clean cut college girl look. Not sure if it's college but they are doing something else during the week because the number of apartment girls seemed to double on the weekends. No apt girls gave BBBJ since I didn't pay for that. One did provide some free kissing on our second session. Mostly they stick to the rules based on what you pay.
What made my trip still very enjoyable is that the good sessions were actually GREAT sessions. Unlike other places in the world I'm banging girls I can tell the Kyiv girls are pleasured by the sex much more than the others. I'm talking about toes curling, eyeballs rolling and cheeks turning bright red. I just don't see that so much in other countries.
I visited Tootsie strip club four nights and was willing to pay the $300 take-out fee. Got to know the GM quite well and he helped me by putting the thinnest available girls (my preferred taste) together on one stage so I could compare. But I never found a strong 8. 5 to 9 that I was willing to pay $300. I did buy private dances from two girls and both told me they only work as dancers and wouldn't give me their telegram or whatsapp. So only some of the girls are available for take-out. Talk to the GM here I think his name is Misha and he has a resemblance to John boy Walton for those of you old enough to remember LOL.
This trip I didn't use Seeking or Tinder or Instagram or Mamba or any other social media. My last trip I found it too time consuming to weed thru the agencies and scams. I know another poster has pretty good luck with Mamba but he has the time and patience to sort through all the BS on there.
My advice to new guys on the hunt in Kyiv is to walk around outside Arena City after 9 or 10 PM. You should be able to find agents or they will find you and can lead you to apartments with girls. Check out Darling Club to see if it's anywhere near as good as it was before Covid. There are usually agents hanging out in front of Darling's entrance. You can also use https://relaxkiev.com/en/ to find the apartments and even find agencies without apartments. That's where I lucked into one good agency. I would whatsapp each number asking "please send pics of the girls available today" in Russian language. If one happens by chance to actually be an independent girl she will let you know that.
Please post your stories, experiences and new findings after visiting Kyiv as we all try to help each other in this increasingly difficult hobby venue.
Nice to see you had a successful trip! I agree that social media takes way too much time if it's used on the ground. It distracts one from the joy of the journey itself! Not knowing much about the scene, but I would suppose that the availability of girls is related to the schools being on. At summer, it might be different, since people report encounters with not so appealing girls? Or is it just the apartments and that the agencies are different? Anyhow, I'm in a bit of a doubt concerning the next summer. I didn't hang out at the main street at late night, so I don't have experience of encounters with girls hanging out there nor the representatives of agencies. If there would be a solid source for cute 'girl next door'-type of students at summer time in 3000 price category, that would be all good. But without it the trip will be only about eye candy.
Maybe being able to speak Russia changes the game? Or has anyone without knowledge of Russian / Ukrainian language been able to hit it off well with agencies found on relaxkiev?
FilthyBeaver
12-12-21, 02:05
Solid advice and great info. My thinking is the same as yours. Nothing like shopping in person if you're pressed for time and you want what you want and it costs what it costs. I'm on a diamond SA membership right now as an experiment to see if I can lay some groundwork beforehand and it's mostly garbage in Ukraine. There are girls who will reply but if they have professional photos I immediately block them and there are a lot. Turns out I'm having much better luck in very expensive my home city on a coast. The cream of the crop looks wise all snipe, they don't let people find them, they find you and the numbers they're asking for are nuts. Something about my profile keeps dragging them in and I can't figure out what it is. I was getting about 50 people a day for the first week it's slowed down a lot and I'm about to hide the account because it's a lot of work weeding through all the crap and I've met enough in person that I could have a rotating lineup of 2-3 and a bullpen of 3-5. I'm just not willing to pay that much to get my rocks off.
Made a 13 night visit to Kiev in late October. The game is not as good as it was the past two years. Darling club was my favorite place and this time it was closed. Also closed are many apartments that were operated by that same organization. As well as a couple other unaffiliated apartments. So the choices have been reduced and the prices have been increased. One year ago the most common ask was 2200/ hour and now it's 3000.
Still I had an enjoyable trip with about 22 sessions over 18 different girls. My best girls came from a couple agents I've known for the last three years as they brought me to a couple very good apartments, one brand new agency I lucked into finding and a couple recs from fellow ISG members. But I had to pay more for all these sessions except for one girl I knew from last year. One apartment (#46 if you know the building) had girls asking 6000 or even 7000. I didn't see anything special in those girls justifying those crazy prices. The best girls for me were 3000/ hour no rush. In fact one agent followed up with me later and asked if I extended to two hours LOL. These girls were 19 to 21 with a clean cut college girl look. Not sure if it's college but they are doing something else during the week because the number of apartment girls seemed to double on the weekends. No apt girls gave BBBJ since I didn't pay for that. One did provide some free kissing on our second session. Mostly they stick to the rules based on what you pay.
What made my trip still very enjoyable is that the good sessions were actually GREAT sessions. Unlike other places in the world I'm banging girls I can tell the Kyiv girls are pleasured by the sex much more than the others. I'm talking about toes curling, eyeballs rolling and cheeks turning bright red. I just don't see that so much in other countries..
How is the new Darling?
Few weeks ago I tried to $ invite girls from Penthouse, Princess and even Dolls to my hotel. Only few like to leave the club.
Spent some time in strip clubs, first tootsie and then princess, both disappointing, private dances so boring, some girls don't allow to touch her breast and try to do minimum work.
Soon will try erotic massage.
PD, for some days in Kiev, if anybody wants to hang out, just MP.
How is the new Darling?
Few weeks ago I tried to $ invite girls from Penthouse, Princess and even Dolls to my hotel. Only few like to leave the club.Yesterday before going stripclubs, I was walking around arena and guy near darling told me to take a look, I was just to check. Just 2 girls, prize from 2500, they say in weekends about 10 girls.
Yesterday before going stripclubs, I was walking around arena and guy near darling told me to take a look, I was just to check. Just 2 girls, prize from 2500, they say in weekends about 10 girls.I will be there tomorrow for a week. Happy to meet up.
I will be there tomorrow for a week. Happy to meet up.A pity, you cannot receive MP.
A pity, you cannot receive MP.Yeah didn't go for a membership. Just went to a erotic massage it was great. Essentially mutual masturbation and had a fun 1.5 hours.
I realized all relaxkiev agents are out call nowadays, which make sense because of the weather.
I was to red light massage, madam a bit rude, talks in a typical Ukrainian (bad) way, I see 4 ladies, 3 of them really pretty (9 out of 10) the other one was a 6, I took that last one, because the hot ones had a terrible disgusting face, I really cannot understand that behavior, totally the opposite from south American women, who treat you as a friend of all the life from the first moment.
Massage was not the best of my life, but ok, not bad at all.
Yeah didn't go for a membership. Just went to a erotic massage it was great. Essentially mutual masturbation and had a fun 1.5 hours.
I realized all relaxkiev agents are out call nowadays, which make sense because of the weather.What massage place it was?
Yesterday was to mint nosorog, very good feeling there and funny time, Friday will try the stripclub nosorog from maksima krivonosa, if someone wants to join, just text me.
I was to red light massage, madam a bit rude, talks in a typical Ukrainian (bad) way, I see 4 ladies, 3 of them really pretty (9 out of 10) the other one was a 6, I took that last one, because the hot ones had a terrible disgusting face, I really cannot understand that behavior, totally the opposite from south American women, who treat you as a friend of all the life from the first moment.
Massage was not the best of my life, but ok, not bad at all.
What massage place it was?I went to topless massage. 4 girls came out, one really pretty face but no titties and three 6 / 7. Went for a pretty face short girl and got a very intense session. Went to an escort takeout today and finally got a good one.
I went to topless massage. 4 girls came out, one really pretty face but no titties and three 6 / 7. Went for a pretty face short girl and got a very intense session. Went to an escort takeout today and finally got a good one.I'm looking now website from topless massage. Do you remember name of pretty one?
I'm looking now website from topless massage. Do you remember name of pretty one?Sorry can't remember. You can WhatsApp them but their pictures are nothing related to the girls available.
I never was before in topless massage, then I decided to try today, maybe I'm used to warm personality of Latinas, but I really find exasperating behavior of most of Ukrainian masseuses, behave as a robot, I used to have better experiences in past with warm Ukrainian beauties, now I find just pretty girls who do their job in a mechanical way.
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