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I never was before in topless massage, then I decided to try today, maybe I'm used to warm personality of Latinas, but I really find exasperating behavior of most of Ukrainian masseuses, behave as a robot, I used to have better experiences in past with warm Ukrainian beauties, now I find just pretty girls who do their job in a mechanical way.Sorry to hear your bad experience bro, mine was petty passionate erotic for 1.5 hours, just bad luck.
Yesterday was to stripclub nosorog in maksima krivonosa, full of people, about 30 guys, funny erotic shows o stage, girls are not amazing, but also not bad, is nitot my favorite, but I can go from time to time.
HobbyMan6969
12-27-21, 15:47
This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.
1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.
I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women.
2. I thought I would text relax-Kiev girls to see if they would come to my airbnb, I kept getting responses from an "operator" saying the girls weren't available and they kept texting me pictures of girls that were not my type. So this was a bust.
3. I tried seeking.com ahead of time to meet girls from there, I had 2-3 that said they would meet. When it came down to crunch time they all ghosted me, another bust.
4. I walked by after 9 pm around kreschatyk street to see if there were people advertising apartments to go to, some gave me their whatsapp and texted me pics of girls that didn't meet my criteria. I did see girls sitting down on park benches that looked like they were "working", however; they weren't that hot.
5. I tried texting old numbers of girls I mongered with before and some I met from some dating sites. The girls from the dating sites all said they were on vacation. 1 girl I kept in touch with that used to work at rio (she longer works as a stripper), met me 2 times and she and I had a great time. Her English was a lot better as well.
6. What I spent most of my time doing was going to strip clubs since the weather was cold or raining. Some strip clubs were horrible. Harem wanted around 200 euro just to get inside, they said it would pay for drinks. I passed on that. I checked out princess, it had some good looking girls. However, none approached me even after I over-tipped them on stage. Matter of fact they all went and gave dances to guys that never tipped them. I had a better time at Rio and tootsies which I ended up bringing girls back to my airbnb. The quality of strippers has dropped dramatically from my last 2 visits I had over the last 2 years. I would say they were 6-7 in looks now, some were around 5 in looks. Most spent the night with me because I took them home close to closing time, I enjoy this as I like to have GFE. There is some rule they can not give their numbers out, if they get caught they will be fired. I didn't get any numbers even when I asked.
7. I walked around kreschatyk during the day to possibly get numbers from the college aged girls (18-25), this is where I beat myself on and that is Russian. Most did not know enough English for me to conversate with and I don't know enough Russian other than basic Russian to get by. I really need to hire a Russian speaking teacher to help me. Its great when you meet a girl that speaks fluent English, however; not all girls do.
Was it a wasted trip? No, I still had fun though. However, it wasn't as great as my other trips I had in the past. Quality of girls weren't as a great as before, clubs / bars were closed down, some weeknights there were no people that stayed out late, and other 2 trips I got laid from normal girls / dates without having to monger. I love eastern European girls that are down to earth and I'm searching for a plan be place to go to that has nice quality girls / modestly priced mongering / possibly real dates. With this new covid strain out it sucks trying to travel again from USA to Europe. Is Belarus or Latvia a better option at this point?
HobbyMan6969
12-27-21, 15:50
Mister,
You and I are living in the future. Some of the other guys are portraying a Kiev that does not exist. Sorry it just does not. There are girls, but most are very young and have little to no interest in older Foreign Guys.
Too travel long distances to not have girlfriend experience makes no sense.
You are correct there is zero nightlife. I remember most nights, with the exception of Friday the city would be empty at 10 pm. Even Friday nights the clubs would be horrible. I remember many nights were there would be a ratio of 15 guys to one girl. Those are impossible odds.
Sumner is a little different, but many leave the city for the beaches and villages. Sorry, Guys claiming see. Club is option are wrong. If you do not believe go check it out, you will be really disappointed.
Again, the guys that post now, do a great job of describing the real Kiev. The truth is slowly coming out about Ukraine..Yes, my trip in September reflects this.
Non-existent nightlife, lower quality looking girls, and weeknights and weekends were barely any people out at night.
. Is Belarus or Latvia a better option at this point?In my opinion they are mucho worse.
FilthyBeaver
12-28-21, 00:51
I'm going to keep money out of this as best I can. You can't complain about the lack of venues, that's covid not Kiev. I don't personally think 2 weeks is enough to get a legitimate GFE girl that just wants you for you. A pro needs to be considered after all the blue balling from regular girls. After being here several times since covid I've found that just about everyone under 30 speaks passable English unless they're from the farm. If they "don't" they're not interested so move on. With 2 weeks IMHO the best option for a sure thing is the strip clubs. They're expensive relative to just about everything else but the house needs to get a cut as it's got tons of overhead. You are correct they are in major trouble if they give numbers or see you outside but it is possible. Met one girl with major chemistry. After explaining she couldn't see me outside of work because she'll get a 10 k fine and / or fired, she was back in my hotel an hour after getting off work and wouldn't take a dime but I crammed some money in her purse when she went to the bathroom she didn't leave until 5 pm that night due to a nail appointment with best friend set days earlier. Obviously things went well so I came back several months later, she traded days off with a friend and arranged her schedule at work so we could skip town for 4 days and had an absolute blast. I paid her what I would gave given the club so she got it all rather than half but I didn't pay the 1 k 24 HR fee. Just the standard overnight fee.
One more piece of advice. There is an app called show around. Lots of helpful guys offering some hand holding and negotiations. Worth every penny IMHO. I'll call my guy just to hang out even though I know where I'm going and what I want. He's a fun wingman and I enjoy his company when I'm mongering.
With all due respect, if they're not coming back to you after tipping and knowing you're interested there's something wrong with your game. They're there to make money so unless they're offended somehow there's no reason why they wouldn't at least let you buy them an overpriced drink or two. I'll be in princess one or two nights this week as a backup plan to a couple sa girls I mined before I left home I've already met them both once but if the deal doesn't close I'll go straight to princess likely after 8 or 9 and gone by midnight. I never smile and drink jack Daniel's and coke. I'll give you some honest feedback if you want to approach me.
And BTW, I'm not particularly attractive or unattractive. I have found out that I'm fairly charming (feedback from them, not my ego) and I can make them laugh so that's what's working for me. And I do have money to do what I want. That doesn't hurt either as I don't need to waste my time on luck and prayers.
This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.
1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.
I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women..
DramaFree11
12-28-21, 01:53
This is a report from September when I visited for 2 weeks.
1. Nightclub scene to pick up women was mostly non-existent as clubs were either closed for good because of covid. There were some bars open, however; they were lame like you had to know some secret password or have a Russian speaking friend bring you in.
I was hoping to go to some nightclubs to see the higher end working girls, however; I found out most were closed down for good. I did try Caribbean club a few nights, however; it was more horrible than what I remembered. Mostly older women and didn't see much to choose from. I did not pick up any women here, in the past I have picked up some women.
2. I thought I would text relax-Kiev girls to see if they would come to my airbnb, I kept getting responses from an "operator" saying the girls weren't available and they kept texting me pictures of girls that were not my type. So this was a bust.
3. I tried seeking.com ahead of time to meet girls from there, I had 2-3 that said they would meet. When it came down to crunch time they all ghosted me, another bust.
4. I walked by after 9 pm around kreschatyk street to see if there were people advertising apartments to go to, some gave me their whatsapp and texted me pics of girls that didn't meet my criteria. I did see girls sitting down on park benches that looked like they were "working", however; they weren't that hot.
5. I tried texting old numbers of girls I mongered with before and some I met from some dating sites. The girls from the dating sites all said they were on vacation. 1 girl I kept in touch with that used to work at rio (she longer works as a stripper), met me 2 times and she and I had a great time. Her English was a lot better as well.
So Sad, but true. I disagree slightly it has like this for years. Sept. Is suppose to be one of the best times of the year in Kiev.
PhotoSlider
12-28-21, 05:53
...With all due respect, if they're not coming back to you after tipping and knowing you're interested there's something wrong with your game...That's precisely why I was double- even tripple-booked with Kiev beauties at times.
I tried many venues in Kiev, including Arena City, Mint and Star Rhinoceros before 2011, later on Rio and Scarlett, checking out apartments in person, using show around services, etc. Many years ago I stopped going to any clubs, and all so called night life. It always existed, and still is great, one just needs to love the city, and stop spewing vitriol. Any suspicion, any feelings of "Kiev sucks, Kiev is not the way it used to be", and it'll pay back with the same harsh attitude. Life is what we make of it. One can be a miserable trolling schmuck, or create a paradise on earth.
FilthyBeaver stated it perfectly. Look in the mirror. Kiev is fine. And yes, newbie girls can be discovered even in strip clubs, but the GFE is found much easier outside of the "night life". Show around wingman is a good idea, I used a lovely girl guide in 2018, she knew everything, understood exactly what I wanted, and she never was perceived as a competition. I introduced her to my new acquaintances as HR manager in our corporation. She had lots of fun watching the game unfolding before her eyes.
YMMV. Many visitors successfully use mamba, tinder and other platforms. For many years I personally had the best success though with hourly girls delivered to my apartment. Including those sourced from Darling club. No less than 1 out of 10 met with me again later, cutting out the middleman. Some of them became my regulars. That's unlikely to work out for a 5-10 days visitor. 3 weeks IMHO is a minimum. Passing for a local is a huge plus. Visiting Kiev regularly is a must to gain trust and enjoy the pleasures of repeat encounters and longer stays.
Here the caveat though: Classy Ukrainian female would not simply give the visitor her phone number for nothing. And after that to expect her response on Viber or Telegram, and then for showing up on a real date outside of her work, she would want a bit more than a mere transaction, a flushed used condom, and money in the pocket of her pimp. She wants attention, to feel special, to sense an unspoken promise that her life would change for the better.
Can it be done two years into pandemy? Yep. Guaranteed? No fucking way! It'll be much more difficult than 13 years ago during River Palace era, and more expensive than in 2018 when I had a gorgeous student in my bed at 7 am swinging by for an intense orgasm before her classes at the University 3 blocks away. Just imagine 1 m80 tall impeccable beauty passionately exclaiming:
- Thank you! That's exactly what I needed today!
And me thinking:
- Well, thank you too.
Having said the above, I know more than 5 gentlemen, that instead of arguing here on Forum, are currently in Kiev, and they are not able to accommodate all the qualified female candidates. Guys are having mind altering experiences with very accommodating exquisite young ladies! $200-300 per few hours frequently transforming into overnight, because lady decided to stay. And hopefully there's no overlap with incoming one arriving soon.
What if you are a short term visitor? First time visitor? Well, you can still try your luck, and chances are not zero, but definitely substantially lower. Money may help to some degree, but doesn't ensure or guarantee much. And if you fail, don't blame Kiev. Perhaps your expectations weren't set properly, or you are not qualified to be successful in Ukraine.
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I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again. One of the higher price girls came to me today, for 10 hours, she walks in counts the money, and I offer tea, then she takes a chuck of cheese from her purse and places it on a plate and eats it while drinking her tea, and of course a lot of texting, I sat for 35 minutes and watched her eat her cheese and drink her tea, I told her to put her phone away and come to me, I hugged her for a minute and then she said she needs to shower, 5 minutes later she returns, I took her towel off, we rolled on the bed for 5 minutes, she didn't want to kiss, I told her that the site indicates she kisses, she didn't want to. I told her to leave, she contact her manager and I explained the situation, he said pay her for an hour 250 dollars, she was in my flat for 45 minutes, for the first 30 minutes I watched her eat her cheese and text, following a shower we rolled around on the bed for 5 minutes, no sex at all, and I had to give her 250 dollars for all this aggravation, never will I ever contact this agency again.
I arrived in Kiev after pending 40 days in Dnipro, my regular in that city was a very attractive 19 year old from a agency in Dnipro, for 2000 UAH the service I received from her was so much better.
PhotoSlider
12-29-21, 07:45
I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again...Ouch! Indeed once in awhile the girls show up with an attitude and no desire to honor their obligations.
Would you mind sharing, when was the last long enough period of time that you had more or less acceptable service from GIA and its spin-off?
With rare exceptions I was quite happy with GIA in September-December 2016. My last order was in November 2017. Great hard working girl, I paid 1 hour to GIA in the very beginning, and after confirming the girl is responsive to my advances. I extended by paying to her directly for 10 more hours. BBBJ, DATY, great DFK, sensual in missionary, she also loved cow girl riding.
Then in May 2018 original GIA got busted by police for certain reasons, mentioned here before. Girls got scared, as police had their passport copies and investigators were harassing the girls. GIA re-emerged as KEC (Kiev Escort Club) later in the Summer of 2018 under different management, and AFAIK much lower quality of service. I am still in contact with four girls that used to work for original GIA, and am wondering if indeed you had good times under new management.
Their HR has a separate Russian website looking for girls. Same concept as before.
There is another Viber based agency providing higher level ladies for reasonable prices, and I had great luck. They were sourced just like GIA, - not from an apartment base, where one can fuck them if so desired, but rather directly from girls own residence.
Then one of the girls showed up smoking, swearing, and yes she was the same as in photoshopped pictures, but nowhere near as classy. Sex was great though, but I dismissed her before the time expired. Dispatcher was "sorry to hear that happened", and "nobody complained about her, I am surprised", and all the other bullshit. By that time I established a reliable stable of regulars, and going forward rejected any offers coming from that agency.
Thank you for sharing.
I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again. One of the higher price girls came to me today, for 10 hours, she walks in counts the money, and I offer tea, then she takes a chuck of cheese from her purse and places it on a plate and eats it while drinking her tea, and of course a lot of texting, I sat for 35 minutes and watched her eat her cheese and drink her tea, I told her to put her phone away and come to me, I hugged her for a minute and then she said she needs to shower, 5 minutes later she returns, I took her towel off, we rolled on the bed for 5 minutes, she didn't want to kiss, I told her that the site indicates she kisses, she didn't want to. I told her to leave, she contact her manager and I explained the situation, he said pay her for an hour 250 dollars, she was in my flat for 45 minutes, for the first 30 minutes I watched her eat her cheese and text, following a shower we rolled around on the bed for 5 minutes, no sex at all, and I had to give her 250 dollars for all this aggravation, never will I ever contact this agency again.
I arrived in Kiev after pending 40 days in Dnipro, my regular in that city was a very attractive 19 year old from a agency in Dnipro, for 2000 UAH the service I received from her was so much better.
I've used Gia every now and then over years, but I don't remember having big problems like this. Knowing the bad attitude of some of the dispatchers, however, I'm not so surprise to hear this.
But what seems to be more surprising is that she returned hundreds of dollars??? A quick research shows 10 hours at Gia would be somewhere between 800 and 1200 USD.
Would you mind sharing the name of the girl so we can all avoid?
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I hear you Bro. I've been using GIA periodically since 2012 and never had issues. I mean most of the girls obviously not the best looking but punctual and provided professional services so I had always booked with confidence. However;- on my latest business trip to Kiev I had extremely negative experience with ARINA and would highly suggest everyone to stay away from this girl. When I met her she looked very different from pictures on the website. I mean it was her but the pictures are heavily photo-shopped. In reality she's very skinny with average looking "foxy" face and small tits (size 0). That was definitely a red flag for me and I should have send her back. But I was drunk and horny so.
I had envied her anyways hoping for the good services and that was a huuuge mistake. As soon as she entered she grabbed cash from table and started to ask me tones of questions. I'm a polite guy even when I drink more than normal but after 15 minutes of chitchatting I told her (politely) to shut-up and go take a shower. So she spent another 15 minutes in shower while I was getting really enjoyed. Finally she got out and said "I really apologize that my travel to shower took so long. I just needed to do some additional make up to look the best for you " ! So 1/2 hour wasted into nowhere. I just asked her to get in the bad hoping that the rest of this "date" will work out, but instead.
Of getting down to business she started telling me things like. "I don't like to be touched here and there. " and so on and as a result I got turned off completely and asked her to leave which she did in split second not even apologizing for ruining my day. So anyways I've been used this agency in the past and have never seen something like this. Extremely negative lesson to remember. I would rather flashed $200 into the toilet.
I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again. One of the higher price girls came to me today, for 10 hours, she walks in counts the money, and I offer tea, then she takes a chuck of cheese from her purse and places it on a plate and eats it while drinking her tea, and of course a lot of texting, I sat for 35 minutes and watched her eat her cheese and drink her tea, I told her to put her phone away and come to me, I hugged her for a minute and then she said she needs to shower, 5 minutes later she returns, I took her towel off, we rolled on the bed for 5 minutes, she didn't want to kiss, I told her that the site indicates she kisses, she didn't want to..
High-End Escorts.
Well, if you're not limited on budget than this could be a good option for you to fuck a real Ukrainian beauty. And it's true. By using these resources, you can easily hit 7/8/9 and even 10. However: Expect the big hit to your wallet. In my experience: 7 from $500, 8 from $600, 9 from $800. Normally meeting lasts 2 hours or more (if you like "dinner-dates" than you pay double). I'm personally not a big fan of dinner-dates, actually once in a while I go out but only with girls I've known for some time. And my personal preference #1 Date #2 Dinner as I don't like to fuck with my stomach full. So, anyways: There are few resources available for these types of arrangements: it's OMG and MensKiev Both are pre-paid services and will require your credit card but don't worry) they are perfectly legit. OMG will actually refund your payment if for whatever reason the girl you contacted did not get back to you. This time I've used menskiev once and met a very nice lady. Paid $500 but had a very good time.Dear SprKiev21,
It seems you are an expert in girl hunting in Ukraine. I really appreciate your experience, and I have learned much from your posts. I will be in Kiev at this weekend for two nights only. My time is limited but my budget is not. My pocket is deep, and I can even pay $1.000 for an amazing girl.
My plan is spending some time in strip clubs. I would prefer to take a girl out but it's not necessary. I like to touch and play with beautiful girls preferably big natural boobs during a private dance. At this point, apart from princess (I read your positive review about it) which strip clubs would you recommend? My first criterion is the quality of the girls no matter take out option is possible or not. I can visit two clubs for each night I guess. Would you rate these strip clubs by number 1-10? I will go to the top four clubs you will recommend.
Princess.
Rio.
Paradise Cabaret.
Rhino at Lesi.
Rhino at Solmenka.
Scarlette.
Dolls.
Harem.
Secondly, after enjoying the best strip clubs, I will try to take the best girl out. If it doesn't work I will call a high-end escort from OMG or Menskiev.
Urgently need your advice. Thank you.
Sure. Happy to help. Well, it's kind of hard to rank clubs because in general all of them suck these days (comparing to even 5 years ago).
And it's partially due to demographically changes and obviously COVID has a huge impact on nightlife venues.
So anyways. Here is my latest take based on my 4 trips to Kiev in 2021.
Princess. - 6/10.
Normally around 20 dancers on shift)) Girls look better than other places, Private dances in general OK but depends on girl (some of them could be very hot others will not even allow you to touch them).
VIP rooms very dark so you won't see much. Take out possible for $300 but not for the best looking girls.
Rio - 5/10.
Used to be #1 place in Kiev but not anymore. They still have around 30 dancers on shift but very few hotties. Also the place is normally more crowded than.
Other clubs so it will not be easy to drag attention of a good looking girl despite giving tips or whatever. So if you really like someone than talk to.
Floor manager "Yurij" his name. He' a very nice guy and will make sure that the girl you like will land at your table (if available).
Take out possible for $300 but generally not for the best looking girls.
Paradise Cabaret. 4/10.
Very private place located inside Premier Palace hotel. They advertise it as a 5 star hotel and charge crazy prices but on reality it's.
A bit renovated old Soviet piece of junk and you can get excellent aibnb apartment for 1/2 of it's price. So anyway. Paradise Cabaret.
Normally very few girls (4-6 on shift) . Actually could be good-looking (due to privacy of this place) but Very sharky style of behavior.
They'll try to suck as much cash out of you as possible for every move you make and every word you say.
Take out possible for $300 but there is a catch. You also need to book a room in that crappy hotel and that's another $100 on top.
So the girls basically cater to those who already lives in that crappy place or make you to buy a room.
Rhino at Lesi. 5/10.
There might be few good-looking girls on shift but limited touching for private dances and not take out option available.
Rhino at Solmenka. 5/10.
Same as Rhino at Lesi.
Scarlette - 0/10 Permanently Closed (but you didn't loose much as it wasn't the best place in the past same management as RIO).
Dolls. 5/10.
I'd rank it same as Rio (although RIO used to be much better). Normally around 20 girls on shift but mostly average looking.
Place can also get very crowded after mid-night. Take out available for $300 but not for the best looking girls.
Harem. 2/10.
Shit-Hole and tourist trap. Stay away.
Few general things to keep in mind.
1. If your ultimate goal to bring a girl back to your apartment than go to club around 2 am. This will increase your chances of getting laid.
Because ideal timing for the girl to "go out" is a couple of hours before closing (normally all clubs operate until 6 am unless it's very slow night).
2. Do not waste you $$ into the air. I mean it's OK to tip girls (normally 100 UAH) or take her for private dance (500-600 UAH).
Do not buy food or drinks without confirmed agreement for take out. Do not use champagne rooms cause it's just a tool for ripping you off (consummation).
3. Even if you managed to take out the girl you like. This still doesn't grantee you'll get a good service. I mean you can get best GFE session in your.
Life, but in my experience it's 50/50.
4. Do not try to get a phone number from a girl but if you really liked her and you had a good time (outside of the club) than do give her your number.
5. Keep in mind that best looking girls (if you're lucky to find any) normally are not available for take out. And that's for 2 reasons:
1) They generate a good amount of cash on private dances and not looking for extra income (I mean fucking with a stranger outside of the club).
2) Club management trying to keep best looking girls inside the club (pay them extra $$ to keep cheer-leaders around to attract visitors.
Good luck and good fuck.
Dear SprKiev21,
It seems you are an expert in girl hunting in Ukraine. I really appreciate your experience, and I have learned much from your posts. I will be in Kiev at this weekend for two nights only. My time is limited but my budget is not. My pocket is deep, and I can even pay $1.000 for an amazing girl.
My plan is spending some time in strip clubs. I would prefer to take a girl out but it's not necessary. I like to touch and play with beautiful girls preferably big natural boobs during a private dance. At this point, apart from princess (I read your positive review about it) which strip clubs would you recommend? My first criterion is the quality of the girls no matter take out option is possible or not. I can visit two clubs for each night I guess. Would you rate these strip clubs by number 1-10? I will go to the top four clubs you will recommend.
Princess.
Rio.
Paradise Cabaret..
Thank you for your valuable assessments and reviews, but I had already completed my short (2 nights) trip before I saw your response. I will consider your review for my next trip in this summer. Let me share my Kiev trip details with you.
Before getting to Kiev I started to look for girls on Tinder, and I found two girls, one of them was a girl with huge boobs like "E" cup size, and the other one was a blond girl with average size boobs. At first I scheduled meetings with both of them for Saturday, then I took my meeting with the busty girl to Friday night and I met her. We sat in a bar and spent two hours together then we agreed on meeting on Saturday. I was aware of the "no sex on the first day" rule.
Then I started to discover the strip clubs at Friday night, first I went to Princess club but I didn't like the environment, it was full of low class people from the middle east and the whole club was covered with hookah and cigarette smoke, and the girls were average or below than average. I left the club without sitting. Then I went to Rio, but it was closed. I entered Tootsie club next to Rio, but the I observed the same thing there, middle easterners and their smoke, and average girls, I left that club in one minute. By the way the security staff in Tootsie was annoying, they were looking at me as if they are about to beat me, I didn't understand why they were so harsh. I experienced such a thing first time in Kiev. Then I went to Rhino club at Lesi first, but I didn't sit there because it was covered with cigarette and hookah smoke, the club was not looking like a good place. After that I tried the other Rhino at Solmenka, at first everything was looking better, no cigarette smoke, no middle easterners, and better girls. So I decided to sit in and ordered some sushi. I firstly realized the sushi was awful, secondly I realized that there were only 7 girls in the club. I liked only one of them (a tall blond with big boobs) and I had a private dance with her, two songs dance for 600 grivnas, after the two songs were over she asked me whether I wanted her to continue, and I said I will think about that, but she didn't allow me to leave the room and she danced for one more song, then she asked for another 600 grivnas, I objected, and I said I didn't ask you to dance more, and if there was a communication problem, okay let me pay 300 grivnas because you danced for just one song, but the girl and the waitress insisted on charging 600 grivnas by saying each additional song is 600 grivnas. I am a wealthy guy and 300 grivnas are nothing for me but I felt like I was ripped off and I decided to pay the money they wanted and leave the club immediately. But what happened next? First, the waitress tried to rip me off one more time by not deducting the drinks and the sushi from the deposit (1.000 grivnas), then she did it after my warning, I paid 3.000 grivnas for the 2. 820 grivnas bill, but the waitress didn't come back after getting money from me. I went to the bar to take my change, but the same waitress told me she thought that it was a tip. I said "no tips" and asked for the change, and they made me wait at least 5 minutes to give me 180 grivnas. Then I tore that 180 grivnas off as soon as they gave it to me to show them I wanted that change for another reason. And I left the club. I didn't go to Harem and Dolls because I already know that those clubs are shitholes from my past experience. By the way some taxi drivers are always recommending the dolls club and it shows that those taxi drivers have a commission deal with the club.
Anyway, after that I went to another club which was more expensive (private dance is for 1500 grivnas) and I was only one of the two customers in the club, there was no smoke and the there were only 6 girls in the club but they were more beautiful. I stayed there until 6:00 AM and I took one of the girls out for $700. She didn't give me a condomless blowjob but I was satisfied with her beauty and her sex service. I wish I negotiated for a condomless blowjob before paying, in that case she couldn't have rejected blowjob without condom. This was a good lesson for me.
The next day, the busty girl whom I met on thinder came to my hotel, she was not looking like a pro or semi-pro, but on our second day she asked for $500 as a gift, and I gave her the money she wanted. Because I really wanted her. And hopefully I was satisfied with her and she really made me happy. She gave me blowjob without condom, she offered me regular massage and boob massage, and her BJ technique was impressive, she also gave me boobjob and I literally fucked her huge boobs a few times. Somehow fucking huge boobs gives me more pleasure than fucking a pussy.
This is the brief of my Kiev adventure.
By the way I recommend BBQ croissants in Lviv Croissants bakeries. It's really delicious and good for breakfast.
Sure. Happy to help. Well, it's kind of hard to rank clubs because in general all of them suck these days (comparing to even 5 years ago).
And it's partially due to demographically changes and obviously COVID has a huge impact on nightlife venues.
So anyways. Here is my latest take based on my 4 trips to Kiev in 2021.
Princess. - 6/10.
Normally around 20 dancers on shift)) Girls look better than other places, Private dances in general OK but depends on girl (some of them could be very hot others will not even allow you to touch them).
VIP rooms very dark so you won't see much. Take out possible for $300 but not for the best looking girls..
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01-10-22, 21:49
Question: What is your definition of "Night Life"?
I understand that for some of respected gentlemen here it is good fun in the strip club, booze, scantily clad women, and more. The proverbial night out in the Western City.
Any other opinions?
I do not offer this survey to criticize. On the contrary, - looking for feedback, fully expecting some of it being radically different from my perception of the universe.
Best regards!
Anyway, after that I went to another club which was more expensive (private dance is for 1500 grivnas) and I was only one of the two customers in the club, there was no smoke and the there were only 6 girls in the club but they were more beautiful. I stayed there until 6:00 AM and I took one of the girls out for $700. She didn't give me a condomless blowjob but I was satisfied with her beauty and her sex service. I wish I negotiated for a condomless blowjob before paying, in that case she couldn't have rejected blowjob without condom. This was a good lesson for me..I'm curious. Which is that expensive stripclub? I never saw so expensive places in Kiev.
Is sad how bad are going stripclubs in city, it used to be a stripclub paradise before covid.
Hi all,
I just come back from one week in Kiev.
Christmas weather was very nice. Cold with an amazing blue sky, and snow after.
A lot of places are very well decorated. It's very beautiful to see.
As usual I worked a few days before the trip on mamba and I've found enough contact before the trip. For me tinder is a big waste of time, mamba is really far more efficient on this subject.
About strip club, I was in princess 2 times. I was in this place from a previous trip, and recognize some of the girls.
I took for a few dances an amazing slim brunette, she recognizes me from my first trip, she was glued to me during all the dances, and it's the kind of girl who comes to take your hands and place them at strategic places.
For my second visit she saw me as soon as I arrived in the club and dances were even better. I also tried massage, this one is not erotic at all, but it allows to talk to the girl in a quiet place.
Another small but with perfect body girl was also here, I don't use to tip lazy girls, but this one deserved money, and was grateful to get some.
For sure I will go again to Kiev for my next holidays.
I've been a good client of escort. Vc, gia or whatever since 2014, I've had gia girls for three days, one day, two days, 6 hours 3 hours, and 10 hours and for the most part all satisfactory. As a result of what happened today, I'll never patronize this agency again. One of the higher price girls came to me today, for 10 hours, she walks in counts the money, and I offer tea, then she takes a chuck of cheese from her purse and places it on a plate and eats it while drinking her tea, and of course a lot of texting, I sat for 35 minutes and watched her eat her cheese and drink her tea, I told her to put her phone away and come to me, I hugged her for a minute and then she said she needs to shower, 5 minutes later she returns, I took her towel off, we rolled on the bed for 5 minutes, she didn't want to kiss, I told her that the site indicates she kisses, she didn't want to. I told her to leave, she contact her manager and I explained the situation, he said pay her for an hour 250 dollars, she was in my flat for 45 minutes, for the first 30 minutes I watched her eat her cheese and text, following a shower we rolled around on the bed for 5 minutes, no sex at all, and I had to give her 250 dollars for all this aggravation, never will I ever contact this agency again.
I arrived in Kiev after pending 40 days in Dnipro, my regular in that city was a very attractive 19 year old from a agency in Dnipro, for 2000 UAH the service I received from her was so much better.I'm going to Kiev next month. Do you know a luxury escort club where fashion models are enrolled?
Question: What is your definition of "Night Life"?
I understand that for some of respected gentlemen here it is good fun in the strip club, booze, scantily clad women, and more. The proverbial night out in the Western City.
Any other opinions?
I do not offer this survey to criticize. On the contrary, - looking for feedback, fully expecting some of it being radically different from my perception of the universe.There's salsa and other forms of social dancing, which I enjoy as a way of going out at night. An older man who is obviously ONLY looking to meet younger girls is probably going to feel unwelcome at social dancing venues. However, if he is truly serious about social dancing, no problem, in my experience.
I've had lots of indications of interest (IOIs) over the years while social dancing in Kyiv, but I never followed up for several reasons:
1) I have that regular and other girls can't easily compete with her in my eye. I'm not in love with this girl, far from it, but I am lazy and won't stray as long as she continues to deliver reliable and trouble-free results.
2) Many of these IOIs were obviously for a serious civilian relationship, eventually leading to marriage and children, by women around 30 who are starting to get desperate and thus willing to ignore or be deluded about my age (61 currently). Incompatible goals, so no point wasting their time or mine.
3) Some IOIs were from attractive women age 45 and up. Why bother when I have that much younger regular? These women could offer true love, which the regular doesn't offer, but I am too old to care. Anyway, I couldn't love them back because I'm too old to love anything except money. Speaking of which, saving money is no reason to exchange my regular for a civilian, since the regular is well within my budget.
4) Some IOIs were from university girls, the sort who are open to short-term sexual relationships for the pure sake of adventure, and these are tempting as offering variety, instead of only seeing that regular. However, there's the risk of scandal: social dancing is a small world and gossip travels fast. IMO, better to hunt for university girls on mamba and leave them alone where social dancing is concerned. Maybe someone with better skills at seducing university girls could succeed where I am too lazy and risk-averse to try.
A super great friend of mine from Belarus is in Kiev for super company.
If interrested pm me.
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01-19-22, 23:38
There's salsa and other forms of social dancing, which I enjoy as a way of going out at night. An older man who is obviously ONLY looking to meet younger girls is probably going to feel unwelcome at social dancing venues. However, if he is truly serious about social dancing, no problem, in my experience.
I've had lots of indications of interest (IOIs) over the years while social dancing in Kyiv, but I never followed up for several reasons:Detailed analytical write-up, - thank you, Kozerog!
Yeah, there's variety in the city. At least 30 universities, plus academies and colleges. Kiev National University has 20,000 students. Add to this mix the office workers, barbers, cashiers, and even those with the main occupation of extracting money from the members of this Forum. Abundance of females hungry for all sorts of entertainment. And the city obliges.
Over time I made enough connections. Sufficient to stay in touch even after 2+ years away, and still finding new ones, if only for conversation these days. Those connections showed me life beyond the strip clubs, massage parlors, hourly girls, Arena City, and GIA. Day and night, - truly endless possibilities opened up.
I did have a strong intention, and even a young enough designated partner for social dancing. But due to the usual over-subscription and bandwidth limitations it didn't materialize.
My other option is Theater. Wide spectrum of offerings in Kiev. Ladies love it. The best way to get a dedicated regular for sure.
Concerts of visiting artists of all calibers from David Garrett to rock, progressive, jazz, and beyond. And I prefer to arrive to those with a reliable female, that, as Kozerog stated awhile ago, I'd be proud of having on my arm. Showing off is not exactly the main purpose, and yet a beautiful intelligent woman is a joy. More than once I had to take care of two beauties at the Theater. It definitely helps when one of them is trustworthy, and will not throw a jealousy tantrum.
I wouldn't designate places-to-eat as a night life, but I do spend considerable time in those. With ladies, or people watching, or simply working. Never really hunt for girls there, because I am rapidly approaching 60, and am not exactly a Brad Pitt. But on a few occasions I had to delay a little my dinner date with an incoming one, because the outgoing was still present.
The main advantage the Kiev provides is erasing the taboo against the middle-aged man having a young female partner in public. Yes, some girls objected to my suggestions to go out, especially in the beginning. Later most of them warmed up and didn't mind. Stigma is not that visible in that society. Perhaps the main reason is the demographic dis-balance and competition for males that can provide, improve the quality of life, including the night life.
Anyway, whatever strikes your fancy outside of our main hobby, or coinciding with it, Kiev may have it. I'd like to take DJ classes, already took studio photography 1:1 with female instructor and beautiful models. For the latter I insisted that we won't do anything erotic (it was still on the border). Languages is another venue. Teaching English for free, or learning Ukrainian for an hourly fee. Kiev became so cosmopolitan over the last 10-15 years!
To be continued.
My other option is Theater. Wide spectrum of offerings in Kiev. Ladies love it. The best way to get a dedicated regular for sure.
Concerts of visiting artists of all calibers from David Garrett to rock, progressive, jazz, and beyond. And I prefer to arrive to those with a reliable female, that, as Kozerog stated awhile ago, I'd be proud of having on my arm. Showing off is not exactly the main purpose, and yet a beautiful intelligent woman is a joy. More than once I had to take care of two beauties at the Theater. It definitely helps when one of them is trustworthy, and will not throw a jealousy tantrum.I tried this on my last visit. One girl was particularly keen on repeat visits with me, but I tend to go for older, so I was a little apprehensive. I later relented since I figured her enthusiasm for me would make for great fuck sessions, as she would be motivated to keep my interest. I have always wanted to fuck a girl in the Theatre and would happily settle for a blowie or a handy, depending on what I could get away with, so I agreed to meet this girl on the condition that there would be some hanky panky.
I booked a private box at the ballet, and picked one that seemed to be the most discreet seating.
When we were there I was hoping to slip my hand up her skirt, but she stopped me, and I got a half hearted handy, but she was so concerned about us being found out, that there was no skill applied, as such I couldn't even get hard. Total waste of tickets, hors the'oeuvres and drinks. I fucked her when we got home, but all in all it was a disappointment. Obviously she wanted another meet during my visit, so I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.
Anyone here had sucess fucking a girl at the theatre / opera / ballet, and if so, how did you manage it?
...I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.LOL. I wondered is this a thing girls do. Apparently it is.
I too experienced this with a Mamba girl.
Now, thinking if it's Kiev again next summer or not, my main concern is two-fold: will there be 3000 uah girl-next-door girls available, and would I find regular female company to hang out in the city. The latter doesn't relate to this forum, but the first one does. Based on the experience last summer, the prices were high for many girls. I think agencies from Telegram could be an option, but not my preferable one.
So I've been living in Kiev for about 3 months now. I like it so far. Are we allowed to talk about what the best / most reliable agencies are? GFE girls seem to be pretty rare.
So I've been living in Kiev for about 3 months now. I like it so far. Are we allowed to talk about what the best / most reliable agencies are? GFE girls seem to be pretty rare.Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!
Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!It really depends on who you want to ask?
https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-level-4-do-not-travel-2/
Across the pond https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436705/Americans-safer-Kyiv-LA-source-close-Zelensky-slams-Biden-evacuating-Ukraine.html.
It really depends on who you want to ask?
https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-level-4-do-not-travel-2/
Across the pond https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436705/Americans-safer-Kyiv-LA-source-close-Zelensky-slams-Biden-evacuating-Ukraine.html.Whether or not the invasion eventually happens, the threat is real, and I left Ukraine 2 weeks before the US government's recommendation for a southern European country.
A regular from Kyiv is now asking me to let her join me. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. I don't want her to necessarily join me, but if I refuse, it'll probably be the end of our relation.
Whether or not the invasion eventually happens, the threat is real, and I left Ukraine 2 weeks before the US government's recommendation for a southern European country.
A regular from Kyiv is now asking me to let her join me. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. I don't want her to necessarily join me, but if I refuse, it'll probably be the end of our relation.If Russia takes over the entire country of Ukraine, I wonder if the scene would be any better.
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01-27-22, 06:12
Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!Why "possible war"? Proper statement would be "further escalation of the war on-going since 2014".
14000 dead, at least a million relocated.
I personally had a multi-week hobby interaction with a few girls from Donbas. At first they are young and fresh and seem the same. Over time though definitely traumatized. Taught me to avoid.
Yes, my Kiev friends have serious concerns about the things getting significantly worse.
Sorbonne did the right thing bailing out. And yes, failing to support during crisis means starting from scratch during the next visit.
Is anyone over their talking about a possible war? Not seeing nothing about!I had a tripped planned for April that I've cancelled until things have settled down.
I don't think Ukraine would be better if Russia took over. There would be a lot of refugees who want to get out.
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01-28-22, 00:14
I tried this on my last visit. One girl was particularly keen on repeat visits with me, but I tend to go for older, so I was a little apprehensive. I later relented since I figured her enthusiasm for me would make for great fuck sessions, as she would be motivated to keep my interest. I have always wanted to fuck a girl in the Theatre and would happily settle for a blowie or a handy, depending on what I could get away with, so I agreed to meet this girl on the condition that there would be some hanky panky.
I booked a private box at the ballet, and picked one that seemed to be the most discreet seating.
When we were there I was hoping to slip my hand up her skirt, but she stopped me, and I got a half hearted handy, but she was so concerned about us being found out, that there was no skill applied, as such I couldn't even get hard. Total waste of tickets, hors the'oeuvres and drinks. I fucked her when we got home, but all in all it was a disappointment. Obviously she wanted another meet during my visit, so I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.
Anyone here had success fucking a girl at the theatre / opera / ballet, and if so, how did you manage it?Seriously doubt, unless the girl is heavily under influence. And I prefer conscious mutual consent of both the involved adults.
Even a BJ is difficult at the most strip clubs in Kiev. Why? Because those students and such take the special pride in being dancers, not prostitutes. Same applies to massage places, where on premises the most possible would be DATY, and obviously a handjob, which is part of the menu, but again, not a BJ or further.
Kiev is not Thailand. Most of the time there is an expectation of decency in the public. Many of those girls have a life outside of escort. Many of them are residents of Kiev, or have aspirations in the near future.
BTW, there was a report on January 20,2022 of a brothel bust in Rivne, with a bunch of girls on-site, a naked customer filmed by the police, hidden video-cameras connected to Internet discovered in those boudoir alcoves. The best was another girl reporting for duty, just arriving on a train from Kherson, with her suitcase and all. Police lead her in. There's a video of the whole process in Russian / Ukrainian language. Hilarious.
Anyway, getting the girls outside the massage parlor is another story, as an admin of Relax "had the honor" in my arms, and we became close friends. Again, she refused to go to Theater with me, and encounters were limited to my Airbnb.
At the Theater all of their attention is focused on the stage performance. They imagine themselves there, not as actors, but as characters in the play. That is why my plan is simple: fuck them before the show. And then by inspiration after. My preference is to stay within 5-7 minutes walking distance from Theater, and meet no less than 2 hours before the overture kicks off. Even with that cushion, if the girl is great, then on the first date more than once I risked being late for the beginning. Literally, catching the breath, both of us sweaty and naked in my bed, then dressing very quickly, laughing, smiling, and walking briskly to theater for Swan Lake.
Another new girl arrived to my Airbnb 20 minutes before the show. I verbatim asked her to give me a quick BJ, she graciously leaned forward, and we both knew there's no time for a real intercourse, but she was very horny at the theater. Yet I had no true desire to fuck her there. Yes, while we were waiting outside our booth behind the curtains, while still seeing the stage, I checked out her beautiful 19 years old derriere, indeed under her skirt, and she had no stockings. Forgive me giving too much detail please, but I didn't touch her private parts.
There's erotic and there's pornography. The latter is where they show the genitals. Tasteful erotic at the theater is publicly accepted. The way the ladies of all ages dress at the theater is amazing! Who needs to pay attention to stage, when there is so much eye candy in the seats and the hallway! 20-30 age gap within the couples is no problem. As the performance unfolds, I place the palm of my hand on her thigh, and slowly move it up and towards the within. Lots of fun. My imagination is strong enough, and the inside of the young lady's thigh is oh so tender. I do not even dare to continue my thoughts to fully explain. And specifically for this purpose, I do ask my regulars to put on thin fabric dresses.
Anyway, one of the girls upon returning from Giselle to my AirBnB complained that I didn't touch her thigh during ballet. I always did, taking her perhaps to 8 or 10 different times. She totally expected it. Go figure!
I very much enjoy Theater myself. Few glasses of champagne, and then Armenian brendy, plus a young beauty makes it even more pleasurable. Then we go to Avalon for a dinner, and then for another round at my place. That's where mediocre ones do not pass the test, and the great ones become regulars, some even staying overnight, no money discussed. Girls love leaving the fairy tales, and I don't rush them. Get paid back in spades.
So, to answer your question straight, no, I don't think it's possible to have a good BJ or a HJ at the theater. Even those girls that agree to go together, they don't care about sex while there's action on stage.
Photoslider, what is the price you pay for them for the evening. Couple of times of sex?
Anyway, one of the girls upon returning from Giselle to my AirBnB complained that I didn't touch her thigh during ballet. I always did, taking her perhaps to 8 or 10 different times. She totally expected it. Go figure!
Was she a referral? (was that the proper word for it.).
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01-28-22, 23:57
Photoslider, what is the price you pay for them for the evening. Couple of times of sex?
Was she a referral? (was that the proper word for it.).This particular one was free. It's a long story: I met her as a referral from Relax masseuse. The latter one couldn't go with me in 2014, and introduced to her friend from remote village. And that country girl is now my longest term regular. That was 36 hours visit and personal record of having 6 girls, including one FMF threesome.
The worst cases at the Theater moneywise are GIA or agency / apartment hourly girls.
GIA was too expensive on the first date, 300-500 USD, even taking into account their progressive payment scale. I used to pay GIA dispatcher for the first hour ($150-200), and then paid the girl directly about 60-75%. Great way to establish reliable business partners. This way I got 4 GIA employees, who then retired from the shop, but kept enjoying the lifestyle. 2 of them are still in contact. The third girl was that mentally traumatized from Luhansk / Donbas. The fourth one was not sincere enough, yet I remember how upon leaving for her University class in the morning she exclaimed: "Well, I am certainly allowed to, and have time for this!" then reached under the blanket, and performed an impeccable BBBJ.
Hourly girls are too much hassle at the Theater. They get calls from the dispatcher checking on them every hour, that they are still OK, and all that BS. I hear these days it's 3000 UAH an hour. But you don't have to keep her for the duration. One girl misbehaved by pulling her phone and attempting to chat during Nutcracker. I invited her outside of our box suite for a moment, and then told her to leave even before the first intermission.
Regular girls are truly the best. Those fall into 2 categories. Businesswomen, where I pay 1000 UAH an hour, and cup it off at 5 K UAH. And pseudo-GFs, - those trusting me well enough, so that payment is not discussed. Usually they arrive on the commuter train, couple hours away, and stay with me for up to 5 days. They love Theater. I pay their life expenses within reasonable limits, like 1600-1800 UAH dorm fee for semester, or couple pairs of everyday shoes, good Levi's jeans, lingerie, etc. It makes total sense to me while visiting Kiev for 4-6 weeks. If I get bored, I send the current girl to do her manicure, and pedicure first ever in her life for a couple hours, and tell the dispatcher to send me an hourly or two for variety. Also at the end of my visit, just like Kozerog, I give a good bonus (3-10 K UAH, and up to $1 k) to my best favorite girl.
I go with the flow. That hourly girl Zhanna, with a firm round good size ass, I probably paid about $300, expensive, but she was great. I don't do that anymore. Because my funds can be used more wisely, even within our hobby, but also because hourly girls with rare exceptions are not classy enough. I did convert a few to my regulars. With one in particular, stage name Paulina, it could have been transformed into a good script, like "Pretty woman" with Julia Roberts. I had her once in September 2018, and on the very first encounter I extended her for another hour right away, because she was outstanding in bed. Then in December 2018 before my departure from Kiev we partied with a local friend, ordering girls, drinking. He was happy, I thought we could have done better. Then he left, and I called the dispatcher for the third round: "More wine, and fresh women!" The door of the delivery vehicle opened, and lo and behold, I see Paulina blushing, and saying in her sweetest voice: "I wanted it to happen differentlyyyy." Anyway, she stayed with me for a few hours, I introduced her to my driver / events manager, and we are still in contact. Actually, she was one of the few that sent me Happy New Years Eve message a month ago. With her Theater was free. She was shy to kiss outside in public, but awesome in bed, and more importantly. A great person to be with.
I am far from the thought to be judgmental. If the guy wants to fuck the beauty at the Theater, and she is creative enough, then by all means go for it. At the same time I know from personal experience that ticket babushkas and other service folks watch closely that alcohol is not consumed during the ongoing performance on stage, especially if you are sitting in the front row. Perhaps ushers would notice, and object to your minor mischief. Maybe not persecute or report, but it can be unpleasant, for her, or both. I used to go Theater at least twice a week, and prefer to keep it kosher myself.
Either way, it is difficult to negotiate at the Theater, so to keep any expectations realistic, I would discuss it explicitly beforehand. IMHO baignoire box seats are the best for the purpose. I did DFK there NP. Having my hand up high on her bare thigh in parterre never attracted anybody's attention. And I do it slowly, but steadily. If my advances are not welcome, then she is the wrong girl. Another way to test the new girl on the first date at the Theater is always taking her to the third level during intermission, show the stage from the above, then find a somewhat secret corner, and kiss her. Out of a few that I tried, nobody refused a gentle deep kiss. And there's much less unsolicited witnesses in the hallway of the third level.
Best wishes in your endeavors!
I tried this on my last visit. One girl was particularly keen on repeat visits with me, but I tend to go for older, so I was a little apprehensive. I later relented since I figured her enthusiasm for me would make for great fuck sessions, as she would be motivated to keep my interest. I have always wanted to fuck a girl in the Theatre and would happily settle for a blowie or a handy, depending on what I could get away with, so I agreed to meet this girl on the condition that there would be some hanky panky.
I booked a private box at the ballet, and picked one that seemed to be the most discreet seating.
When we were there I was hoping to slip my hand up her skirt, but she stopped me, and I got a half hearted handy, but she was so concerned about us being found out, that there was no skill applied, as such I couldn't even get hard. Total waste of tickets, hors the'oeuvres and drinks. I fucked her when we got home, but all in all it was a disappointment. Obviously she wanted another meet during my visit, so I made a booking, but I cancelled on her at the last minute as punishment.
Anyone here had sucess fucking a girl at the theatre / opera / ballet, and if so, how did you manage it?
This kind of behavior only makes Ukrainian ladies' expectation of western men even lower.
I myself once pissed off a ballerina-wannabe 19 y. o. girl by saying, "If I rent out the Kyiv Opera House, would you dance for me?"
I heard that back in the Soviet times Kyiv's opera / ballet was one of the top three along with Kirov and Bolshoi. But upon checking them out with my own eyes, Kyiv's was nowhere close to the quality of Mariinsky or Bolshoi today, or any of the major western European opera/ballet companies. So I stopped going to the National Opera of Ukraine in Kyiv. But in order to lure ladies it still works well understandably. Use it wisely, I'd say.
I am far from the thought to be judgmental. If the guy wants to fuck the beauty at the Theater, and she is creative enough, then by all means go for it. At the same time I know from personal experience that ticket babushkas and other service folks watch closely that alcohol is not consumed during the ongoing performance on stage, especially if you are sitting in the front row. Perhaps ushers would notice, and object to your minor mischief. Maybe not persecute or report, but it can be unpleasant, for her, or both. I used to go Theater at least twice a week, and prefer to keep it kosher myself.
Either way, it is difficult to negotiate at the Theater, so to keep any expectations realistic, I would discuss it explicitly beforehand. IMHO baignoire box seats are the best for the purpose. I did DFK there NP. Having my hand up high on her bare thigh in parterre never attracted anybody's attention. And I do it slowly, but steadily. If my advances are not welcome, then she is the wrong girl. Another way to test the new girl on the first date at the Theater is always taking her to the third level during intermission, show the stage from the above, then find a somewhat secret corner, and kiss her. Out of a few that I tried, nobody refused a gentle deep kiss. And there's much less unsolicited witnesses in the hallway of the third level.
Best wishes in your endeavors!On this occasion I selected an escort, one I had met twice before, not a civvie, and made the expectations clear beforehand. I had purchased seats in a private box to the far left of the stage, and also purchased the seats adjoining this box, to ensure as much privacy as possible. The girl herself, had zero interest in theatre, and this performance was a ballet, which I guess is the most challenging to watch if you are not a true enthusiast. After the first intermission, we left and retired to my apartment, since she could neither perform as agreed, nor had interest in the performance on stage, and I can't enjoy it myself if the person I am with is noticeably bored.
I would have been satisified with a handjob (not to completion since I wouldn't want to deal with clean up) and getting to play with her between her legs, but neither were on the cards.
This kind of behavior only makes Ukrainian ladies' expectation of western men even lower.
I myself once pissed off a ballerina-wannabe 19 y. o. girl by saying, "If I rent out the Kyiv Opera House, would you dance for me?"
I heard that back in the Soviet times Kyiv's opera / ballet was one of the top three along with Kirov and Bolshoi. But upon checking them out with my own eyes, Kyiv's was nowhere close to the quality of Mariinsky or Bolshoi today, or any of the major western European opera/ballet companies. So I stopped going to the National Opera of Ukraine in Kyiv. But in order to lure ladies it still works well understandably. Use it wisely, I'd say.If western men approached civvies and behaved this way certainly, I would agree. However approaching a sex worker and asking for sexual services in the context of a fetish, with full consent, doesn't seem inappropriate to me.
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02-04-22, 05:47
On this occasion I selected an escort, one I had met twice before, not a civvie, and made the expectations clear beforehand. I had purchased seats in a private box to the far left of the stage, and also purchased the seats adjoining this box, to ensure as much privacy as possible. The girl herself, had zero interest in theatre, and this performance was a ballet, which I guess is the most challenging to watch if you are not a true enthusiast. After the first intermission, we left and retired to my apartment, since she could neither perform as agreed, nor had interest in the performance on stage, and I can't enjoy it myself if the person I am with is noticeably bored.
I would have been satisified with a handjob (not to completion since I wouldn't want to deal with clean up) and getting to play with her between her legs, but neither were on the cards.I vaguely recall you and I had a discussion about this. If I misspoke and gave you a false hope, misinformed you, - my profound apologies. This sort of knowledge transfer better be done in person.
Your girl got the money she wanted. You came a bit short. I have had an unpleasant experience with hourly girls twice, where one wasn't interested in the action on stage, misbehaved, and I released her. The other one had a long argument with a pesky controlling dispatcher, that tried to assert her power over the providing employee. But then she was glued to the "Madame Butterfly" action. Not my favorite opera, but she was great in missionary before and after. 19 years, passionate, beautiful, and still in contact.
Other than that, the girls are thrilled. Probably me not trying to fuck them doggie style in front of the awed audience helped the vibes. Hahaha.
GIA girls loved both ballet and opera. Most of them are classy.
One country girl from the Western Ukraine I know for years. We had great time at the Theater more than once. During "Sleeping Beauty" the couple behind us was an obvious expensive escort with a wealthy New Yorker about 35 years old. We were sitting in the front raw, I was taking videos, and that escort had the audacity to ask for a copy of my videos. I gave her my phone, and asked to punch in her number. She pretended to ask: "Would your wife mind?" - I responded with: "As long as your husband doesn't. " I didn't contact her afterwards, she seemed too plastic / digital / insincere. My country girl was a true gem 2015-2018, and confident enough not to care. I extracted her from Rio in 2015.
On another occasion the virgin girl (first time ever at ballet) was visibly bored at the Swan Lake (It was at least a fifth show for me, I can go to Tchaikovsky anytime! I asked if she wants to leave together this god-forsaken place. She looked around and asked:
- How much are those seats over there next to us?
I explained, and told her that ours are the best, but that's OK, we can leave NP. And then she said:
- No! We need to watch till the very end. Perhaps something interesting will happen.
Later she begged me to go again, eventually becoming a theater addict. Very unorthodox young lady. Her father was a spetsnaz unit commander.
To me theater is a vetting tool, to see if it makes sense to keep the girl.
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02-04-22, 05:55
I myself once pissed off a ballerina-wannabe 19 y. o. girl by saying, "If I rent out the Kyiv Opera House, would you dance for me?"
I heard that back in the Soviet times Kyiv's opera / ballet was one of the top three along with Kirov and Bolshoi. But upon checking them out with my own eyes, Kyiv's was nowhere close to the quality of Mariinsky or Bolshoi today, or any of the major western European opera/ballet companies. So I stopped going to the National Opera of Ukraine in Kyiv. But in order to lure ladies it still works well understandably.The character dancer from Mariinsky was a friend of mine. She even held Baryshnikov's hand on occasion. I didn't get a chance to visit The Temple.
Did visit Bolshoy, as I had a girl whose mom in mid-80's was part of the Soviet Government with access to tickets. At the time though, I was too young to comprehend.
I also had at least 5 escorts with ballet education: classical, contemporary, ethnic dance. The latter was multi-orgasmic. Yet, holding the hands of the classical dancer while she is in her lace panties standing on points, very exhilarating!
Reading these posts would make more sense if there were prices and sources of pick up included.
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02-07-22, 06:31
Reading these posts would make more sense if there were prices and sources of pick up included.Yep, same here. Wish when I visited, there were clear directions: "Here are the most affordable, yet reliable, and amazingly beautiful girls available for your pleasure at $34.99 a minute. Please proceed and order at your leisure."
There are no pre-digested ready-to-consume FKK's in Ukraine, Desin.
The thrill is in the hunt, in proving to myself that I can find gorgeous females willing to spend great time with me.
Hope I'll be there again one day yet in this life.
Reading these posts would make more sense if there were prices and sources of pick up included.A few years ago it was easier. But the safe sources for cheap women have dried up. On my first visit to Kiev, dozens of women were standing in front of the Hotel Rus waiting for men. All prostitutes. But that was a long, long time ago. Then later there was the River Palace. Go there, chat up, take away. But the River Palace is gone. Today there are many apartments and escorts. Often advertised with false photos. From the price and the service offered: too expensive. In Western Europe you get the same performance for the same price. Often even cheaper. If you are not looking for real company, but only for quick sex. Along with the cost of travel, despite cheaper air tickets, Kiev is more expensive. It is so. Even if a lot of people don't want to believe that. Prices have increased significantly over the last year in particular.
Of course there is also the Caribbean Club and other discos. But on my last visits there was nothing going on. The ratio of 5 men to 1 girl (if you exclude the girls who were not for sale, who came with men or in a group). The quality rather in the lower average.
Mamba. Tinder. Badoo. Not free anymore if you really want to search and message all the girls. But here, too, there is significantly less choice than before. Lots of girls behind which agencies are hiding. Fake profiles.
The agencies usually overpriced. It is advertised with a cheap basic price. Then charged extra for each service. Order a prostitute for 2000 UAH. Then 1000 UAH for bareback blowjob. 500 UAH for kissing. 500 UAH for licking. 800 UAH for cumming on the body. Or 1000 UAH for facial. These are now the standard price lists. A service that together costs 180-200 dollars. For one hour. Not much different than "Gia". The escort service that used to be branded as very expensive. And that in Ukraine. With supposedly minimal wages and tiny incomes (300-400 dollars a month). But everyone has a new iPhone in their pocket.
If you really want amateurs. Then all you have to do is invest your time. Much time. Search on all portals. In clubs. At discos. Build contacts. So "hunt".
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02-08-22, 20:00
If you are not looking for real company, but only for quick sex. Along with the cost of travel, despite cheaper air tickets, Kiev is more expensive. It is so.Agree.
Successful visitors whose opinion I find valuable do not think that way. Kiev is definitely not the right place for short term visitor looking for quick sex.
Of course there is also the Caribbean Club and other discos. But on my last visits there was nothing going on. The ratio of 5 men to 1 girl (if you exclude the girls who were not for sale, who came with men or in a group). The quality rather in the lower average.
Mamba. Tinder. Badoo. Not free anymore if you really want to search and message all the girls. But here, too, there is significantly less choice than before. Lots of girls behind which agencies are hiding. Fake profiles.Why even bother looking at Caribbean? Arena City? Disco? Unless you are 25-35 great looking and confident. Even then. There's so many truly classy places in Kiev away from those dumps.
10-15 years ago those managing sex industry in Kiev quickly understood that River Palace is mostly an independent competition, not bringing them much revenue. Hence it's been towed away. Nothing else even distantly reminiscent has been created ever since, except for illusion engineered to milk those with wrong expectations. It's retail business now. Instead of USD per square foot they calculate euro per girl-hour. And this approach with ordering BBBJ and DATY beforehand helps to maximize the cash flow, while not ensuring any quality. Most of visitors are either drunk, or not repeat customers anyway.
During my stay in Kiev the hourly girls told me that dispatchers warned them about me: "he is a PC, - permanent customer. " That's why statistically speaking their service level for me was noticeably higher.
The agencies usually overpriced. It is advertised with a cheap basic price. Then charged extra for each service. Order a prostitute for 2000 UAH. Then 1000 UAH for bareback blowjob. 500 UAH for kissing. 500 UAH for licking. 800 UAH for cumming on the body. Or 1000 UAH for facial. These are now the standard price lists. A service that together costs 180-200 dollars. For one hour. Not much different than "Gia". The escort service that used to be branded as very expensive.Approaching it as a business with a service catalog doesn't guarantee much. Certainly not the affordable options. Why GIA should make more money? Besides, I do not know, but the protection above all of these may converge to the same power players. At least they control the segments of this market industry.
Yet again, successful visitors stay for extended periods of time, and get all of the above amenities included in the total price of the business project so to speak. And their meticulously concubines are eager to deliver. I personally know 5 gentlemen currently enjoying the lifestyle, while we argue here on our Forum.
And that in Ukraine. With supposedly minimal wages and tiny incomes (300-400 dollars a month). But everyone has a new iPhone in their pocket.Kiev is not a poor city. Forget the iPhones! Take a look at the cars driven downtown. Not just 500 SEL Mercedes, not even 600, - it's Maybach, Bentley, Austin Martin. Not VW Tuareg, -Porsche SUV, Gelendwagen. Check out the dynamics of real estate prices.
Aspirations to position the girls in Kiev as hungry and begging for Western visitors attention are utterly misplaced. Wrong city and country chosen.
If you really want amateurs. Then all you have to do is invest your time. Much time. Search on all portals. In clubs. At discos. Build contacts. So "hunt".Cross out clubs and discos. The rest is true 100%.
And after breaking the initial rather tough barrier, one gets into the territory where the challenge becomes not the scarcity of female resources, but rather his own bandwidth congestion, that is availability of his free time, as too many beautiful young ladies start to clog the calendar and contacts.
Reading these posts would make more sense if there were prices and sources of pick up included.
The thrill is in the hunt, in proving to myself that I can find gorgeous females willing to spend great time with me.For money.
My point was that even though this is a forum into which people can write down their memoirs of past moments of glory, by adding some information into the post would make them something else that just another "oh I once did this"-story, without any informational value. For example, telling how much it cost and where was the girl found will give perspective of the amount of money required for that specific service in that timeframe, and by picking up other information from other posts that relate to the prices the reader can make an approximate estimates of how much money he should be ready to spent, if he wanted something like that to be done today.
If something was 100 dollars five years ago, then maybe it's 300 dollars today. This kind of information is useful for the traveller. It will help to build up a mental "index", which will help to determine which girls in Mamba for example are really pushing over the line, and which are in reasonable parameters.
Misterxxx provided informative post in this regard.
The time spent on Mamba trying to find girls that would accept 120 dollars is in my opinion wasted. If one is ready to pay 200,250 or 300 for an hour, then it can be worthwhile. But of course, the current situation is something that can influence the prices in short and possible long term also, depending on the outcome of the situation. So the last summer, when there were loads of Arabs in Kiev, might be very different from next summer.
In terms of other things such as accommodation and food, I found Kiev to be very affordable place to enjoy a holiday.
If people have recommendations of other destinations with similar properties in EU or near it. Safety, lots of city to walk around, affordableness and availability of non-pro / semi-pro student girls around the price range of 70-120 dollars for an incall hour. I would be interested to hear.
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02-08-22, 23:01
For money.For sure! What else is there? Certainly not for me being a Brad Pitt look-alike.
My reports and memoirs provide more of a methodology, pursuing members not to waste time while having unrealistic expectations. I am definitely not a guide, taking anybody by the hand. For all I care, my posts can be ignored. No hard feelings. And thank you for respectfully explaining your aspirations, Desin.
Student girls for 70-120? That'd be my youth, many decades ago, except I didn't pay. I was a DJ, and life was different. No complaints about now either.
If intuition tells me Kiev is not a good match- I wouldn't go. 2-3 weeks is a minimum stay to find some. By the end of the week 2 real opportunities start to shape up and materialize beyond the quick fuck. 6 weeks is great, and then visit 3-4 times a year. If I cannot, then forget them university girls and all. I'd be treated as an ATM terminal.
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02-09-22, 04:59
So the last summer, when there were loads of Arabs in Kiev, might be very different from next summer.Arabs will stay. They bring much needed cash, that's why the government eased their travel.
How many girls do you need? I am satisfied with alternating 3, up to 5. Sourcing them from hourly agencies, Rio, GIA in the past, massage places, barber shops, anywhere, and then friends of those girls. I used to pay GIA prices, and then didn't see the need. One GIA girl referenced me to her roommate, and while that new one was less refined, I had her for 5-9 hours, including greek, for a total of 2000 UAH. I would say she was about 7, not exactly intelligent, yet passionate in bed, and I thoroughly enjoyed our time together.
Desin, let me give you one of my easy sources. It is very time consuming, but I enjoy the process of seduction.
What is the massage price in Kiev? I don't even look at the menu, as my objective is not to have a hand job, but rather make an acquaintance, get her phone number. And I am not limited by 1 private dance at the strip club, I have full hour, and much more contact with the beauty. A good girl would tell me what she prefers. Usually 1500-1900 UAH total, and I do not ask what's included. I don't care, as with one of them eventually I will get everything, including full service, which is not even on the menu while on premises.
Again, I do not let them touch my private parts. My sperm can be utilized in a more efficient manner. Instead I offer to give them massage, and being bored to death most of them are thrilled. With more than half of the girls it progresses to DATY before they realize how sneaky I am. One girl out of 5 agrees to meet somewhere else. I offer it only to those I qualify through our conversation as worthy candidates. I speak 5 languages.
The easiest is to ask if she is available for an outcall and offer to pay her directly, cutting out the management. But that part can be tricky, and I surely don't want to be perceived as a creep. One of them I offered a lunch or dinner. I asked her for a category of a restaurant that she likes: sushi or seafood in general is great. I make the decision where to go. If she doesn't show up, I eat solo. Her loss.
I am genuinely interested in learning more about that young lady's personality. And I don't ever raise the subject of sex. That helps me to get full service eventually in a more natural non-professional way. Since I have a few girls to keep me busy, I am not eager to escalate it. Girls expect me pressing them for sex, as they are bombarded with offers through Instagram and at work, but I don't. Their curiosity makes them flirt more intensely, as they try to leverage their power over me, and eventually we end up in bed.
Sure along the way I spend money, but I can afford GIA, and I can certainly afford country girls from massage parlors. I identify their true needs, and I am not associated with gold diggers anyway.
How much do I pay for their company? It averages out to about 10 bucks an hour with the best girls of GIA caliber, if we are talking days together. On a few hours date it is no more than 1000 UAH / hour. One of the girls had a fixed price of 3000 uah per date plus moderate expenses along the way.
Ultimately it's my time. Admittedly this will not work for many. It does for me.
Asking a massage girl in Kiev about a quick fuck offering her 70-120 bucks ain't going to work. No offense meant, Desin.
I have not been in Kiev for long time. I just talk with a local friend from Kiev he told me that there are military control at the access roads to Kiev now. He also said that people start to go to the mountains and countryside now (and make a plan to leave the city very fast). And that people are more scared now than for just 10-12 day's ago (because that Russia now have send warships into The Black Sea and that new satellite pictures show that the Russian army have trops at the border between Belarus and Ukraine very close to Kiev.
My friend told me there are a other atmosphere there now than just for 1 week ago.
Be careful if you go to Ukraine at this moment.
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02-09-22, 19:28
For example, telling how much it cost and where was the girl found will give perspective of the amount of money required for that specific service in that timeframe, and by picking up other information from other posts that relate to the prices the reader can make an approximate estimates of how much money he should be ready to spent, if he wanted something like that to be done today.Where to find doesn't matter much. Girls are everywhere. Even the initial investment is not that critical.
Whoever says language unimportant is wrong. One has better chances with semi-pro or civilians when communication is at the deeper level. Besides you are not treated as a sex tourist.
Sure I have friends visiting Kiev regularly only with English, and strictly for rented love. But they visit periodically, and establish reliable contacts, subsequently with better quality of service. Girls got to have fun too, and entertainment is enjoyed together. No secret.
Major factor is time. If you think Mamba is a waste of effort, then you approach Kiev girls from the consumer's point of view. And Kiev girls don't care. They think differently. Unless you want a quick fuck from an overpriced pro at the Arena City or Rio or mediocre encounter in the corner bedroom of a club or an agency apartment, you shouldn't bother going to Kiev. The industry for our hobby is marketed perfectly over there, but it is not designed to please the visitor. It is designed to maximize the profit. Dream factory.
Where else in the world? It depends on you before seeking any advice. Wishful thinking leads to unjustified expenses. At least you are honest in your expectations, Desin. Helps to make a decision.
For myself personally Kiev is top 3 destination worldwide, and not just for hobby. Considering that I am native speaker, it is the only one I consider.
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02-09-22, 19:51
Desin,
Apologies if my posts come across as patronizing and less than useful. Indeed I miss those glorious days in Kiev dearly.
My reports and memoirs provide more of a methodology, pursuing members not to waste time while having unrealistic expectations. I am definitely not a guide, taking anybody by the hand. For all I care, my posts can be ignored. No hard feelings. And thank you for respectfully explaining your aspirations, Desin.And I have read them with joy and interest, when they have not been in the certain kind of spirit which can be seen in this forum every now and then. That of an egoistic narrative depicting some years ago happened scenes, without informative value to the current readership. I hadn't seen this in your post, at least I don't remember that there would have been it that much that it would had affected my valuation towards your writings (the opposite is more true), but lately your posts had regrettably come to fall to this category. This is why I noted about it. The post you just made was 'back on the track' and it was joy to read, again.
Arabs will stay. They bring much needed cash, that's why the government eased their travel.I'm thinking about the current situation in relation to timing: if the situation doesn't dissolve, will the Arabs be that crowd that can still pick up flights couple of months before summer vacation season and choose Kiev as their destination? Or are they 'regular' people who make their travel plans early on in the spring-time?
How many girls do you need? I am satisfied with alternating 3, up to 5. Sourcing them from hourly agencies, Rio, GIA in the past, massage places, barber shops, anywhere, and then friends of those girls.Sounds about the same for my ideal. But the time is not on one's side if they have to be searched from many different sources with either fake pictures or with the use of other language than English. I didn't dare to try agencies on my visit to Kiev, until one night when I was swiping the Tinder after couple of cocktails and noted that there was a number on one of the pictures. So that was my first experience with an 'agency girl'. It was 120 dollars for an hour. Now I don't have a problem for the idea of it, but only because of the lack of trust to get what I would order. A strategy that I had mused was to have multiple agency numbers and test them out in the first days of the trip to see which one would provide the girls from their photos. I didn't follow this plan because I didn't feel comfortable to use them (at first, before this one try) and because majority of the numbers went cold before my trip. If Kiev would be my destination again, then this could be one way to approach the situation. In Mamba I had several contacts, but when asked for their real pictures and starting to communicate, I felt that they were not what I seeked. I met one girl from Mamba. She was recommended here.
Desin, let me give you one of my easy sources. It is very time consuming, but I enjoy the process of seduction.This is a major difference in approach. For me, there are women whom I consider interesting. These are highly intelligent and either educated or creative persons. Then there are the women I want to fuck. It is extremely rare for these two to coincide. I met a girl from Tinder in Kiev and she even did the joke about me offering money for sex, but since I hesitated with "is this a trap"-thought (like would she just delete me from contacts) and instead went for the non-sexual approach (we went to take pictures for some hours) I didn't dare to ask it again. It would have been exactly what I had hoped for. In retrospect I understand that she would have not kept that age group in Tinder, if it wasn't for money.
What is the massage price in Kiev? I don't even look at the menu, as my objective is not to have a hand job, but rather make an acquaintance, get her phone number.I made a visit to such a place, just for the experience as many people seem to enjoy them, but it was not for my taste. If there would be a girl who would speak very good English and had humanistic studies in university, then I could strike a conversation. But this was a good experience, because now I can rule out the 'getting her phone number' from my ways of approaching the subject at hand.
I am genuinely interested in learning more about that young lady's personality. And I don't ever raise the subject of sex. That helps me to get full service eventually in a more natural non-professional way. Since I have a few girls to keep me busy, I am not eager to escalate it. Girls expect me pressing them for sex, as they are bombarded with offers through Instagram and at work, but I don't. Their curiosity makes them flirt more intensely, as they try to leverage their power over me, and eventually we end up in bed.I think I understand what is your thrill or joy in this. Maybe one day I might enjoy the same. But at the present moment, I don't really want to get to know the girl I want to fuck. If I find a girl really interesting, I actually want to have many hours of conversation with her. The sex would spoil something of it, for me.
Asking a massage girl in Kiev about a quick fuck offering her 70-120 bucks ain't going to work. No offense meant, Desin.That price range was indicating the comfortable zone that I would prefer to pay for a student girl for her services. Found through Mamba, Tinder or Badoo. I don't pay 230-300 dollars anymore, which I used to do when I started the hobby. Only locals I have met in the recent years have halved their price for me or been around 120-140 dollars. So I would not want to pay more in a cheaper country than what I would pay here at the cheapest (which is my normal price now). I've had enough experiences to find out what kind of sex I like and what kind of bodies and faces I like. I don't consider sex with the most beautiful woman I have been with to be worth her price (was it 250 or 300 dollars, which is the regular non-regular price in my country) for second time. Only because of the experience and the memory I can think that okay, it was not waste of money even if the sex was just basic. And if I consider the best sex that I have had. With girls who really get my eyes to twinkle (the ones I had for regulars) - I wouldn't pay them more than that 140 dollars for an hour. It's just not worth it, even if the sex is really awesome each time. So this is my logic and reasoning for the price range. Travelling to another country which has other prices so much lower compared to my country, I'm not prepared nor willing to pay more than here. I'd rather pay less. If I would find a girl who I could and would want to meet every day or every other day as a regular, then the optimal money-for-sex ration would be around 70-120 dollars. One hour meetings are good for me, three hours are max. I don't want to spent time with the girl after the essentials.
The problem with agencies and apartments is the lack of English and the sheer number of hit-and-misses one would have to make. So other venues where English is used is the way for me. I'm not comfortable to approach girls on the street, even though there were situations were regular girls did give some looks. I regret that I didn't realize to spend time in the main street after 22 pm, as some said that there are local girls there who are looking for clients. This and Mamba could be an option. Or an agency with 100% real pictures of the girls bodies. I think that the competition in Tinder is really high. I mean that you got to have those pics that would do it for regular girls as well. And the prices too, so that's not an realistic venue to pursue girls. But one could get lucky. And also scammed and robbed.
I liked Kiev a lot. Unfortunately I was too busy with my phone trying to find contacts that I couldn't enjoy it in real holiday sense. I feel that a requirement for a successful visit would be to have at least one reliable and enjoyable contact, with whom one can have sex in each day he wants. This would take out the pressure and the rest would be just a bonus. And no need to waste hours and hours for the search on the ground. It already takes so lot of time to try to find them before arriving the destination.
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02-10-22, 03:12
I'm thinking about the current situation in relation to timing: if the situation doesn't dissolve, will the Arabs be that crowd that can still pick up flights couple of months before summer vacation season and choose Kiev as their destination? Or are they 'regular' people who make their travel plans early on in the spring-time?I do not consider anybody as my competition. I don't care who the visitors are. Arabs, Germans, Brits, Israeli, - same difference to me. My interest is in Ukrainian beauties. Most of the time I think about females anyway, and not about men.
For me, there are women whom I consider interesting. These are highly intelligent and either educated or creative persons. Then there are the women I want to fuck. It is extremely rare for these two to coincide.To me the sexiest part of female body is brain. Having sex with intelligent, creative, interesting woman gives incomparable pleasure. Yes, those are rare, but their density in population of Kiev is certainly few orders of the value higher than average on the planet. Take into the account how Ukrainian moms bring up their daughters, teach them proper behavior, and there is no comparison.
I met a girl from Tinder in Kiev and she even did the joke about me offering money for sex, but since I hesitated with "is this a trap"-thought (like would she just delete me from contacts) and instead went for the non-sexual approach (we went to take pictures for some hours) I didn't dare to ask it again. It would have been exactly what I had hoped for. In retrospect I understand that she would have not kept that age group in Tinder, if it wasn't for money.I would say you made a mistake. And it's good that you are strong enough to admit it. Ukrainian women like sex.
at the present moment, I don't really want to get to know the girl I want to fuck. If I find a girl really interesting, I actually want to have many hours of conversation with her. The sex would spoil something of it, for me.At least you want to have a conversation with some. Not everybody does.
Yeah, I mix and interweave all sorts of female personalities and behavior. Creates an interesting fabric of my life.
But one could get lucky. And also scammed and robbed.No reason to be reckless and careless in any locality, but females feel if you are not sure how to proceed. May destroy the vibes.
I feel that a requirement for a successful visit would be to have at least one reliable and enjoyable contact, with whom one can have sex in each day he wants.It certainly is possible. 3-4 weeks in and heavenly gates open up.
I do not consider anybody as my competition. I don't care who the visitors are. Arabs, Germans, Brits, Israeli, - same difference to me. My interest is in Ukrainian beauties. Most of the time I think about females anyway, and not about men.Last summer people were reporting that the prices had gone high because of the Arabs flooding the streets and markets of Kiev. There really were a lot of them. So it's no wonder that my 120 dollar offers in Mamba didn't attract too much interest.
My thoughts are that summer 2022 could be different because of the current uncertain political situation. How many people are ready to make plans or book trips to Kiev at this moment? If the situation doesn't dissolve to normal in this month. Or at least the next month. I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.
Let's see how it plays out.
PhotoSlider
02-11-22, 05:15
I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.Yep, consumer mentality. I'm not saying pay premium. My philosophy is simple: I need 3-5 girls, regulars from prior visits, interspersed with newly found barbers, masseuses, and hourly providers. I think I'll be able to find those.
One of my regulars still wants to meet. She is the one that easily allowed me to bring in my new beauties, while she slept on the sofa in leaving room at my apartment. I found her in Kiev in June 2014, when invasion into Eastern Ukraine was in full swing. I didn't notice any difference. Had 6 girls total in 36 hours after landing at KBP, and then departing. Including threesome with beautiful Lana and another no name girl from the good agency, that doesn't exist anymore.
If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.
Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it. Just go and fuck them, wherever it strikes your fancy. Africa, Australia, there are girls everywhere. You already mentioned spending too much time on smartphone. Typical mistake in Kiev.
Best of luck!
Last summer people were reporting that the prices had gone high because of the Arabs flooding the streets and markets of Kiev. There really were a lot of them. So it's no wonder that my 120 dollar offers in Mamba didn't attract too much interest.
My thoughts are that summer 2022 could be different because of the current uncertain political situation. How many people are ready to make plans or book trips to Kiev at this moment? If the situation doesn't dissolve to normal in this month. Or at least the next month. I would expect it to have an impact on tourism on summer season. And that could bring the prices down. If this happens then Kiev would be an interest of mine again.
Let's see how it plays out.No. Fatal mistake.
Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.
Many foreign ministry service say do not travel to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave ASP. The situation is out of control and Russia can attack any time.
My advice do not go to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave fast.
Many foreign ministry service say do not travel to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave ASP. The situation is out of control and Russia can attack any time.
My advice do not go to Ukraine and if you are in Ukraine leave fast.Are you in Ukraine, or is this advice based on news reports?
Are you in Ukraine, or is this advice based on news reports?I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).
Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.
Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.
And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.
Yep, consumer mentality. I'm not saying pay premium.It's simple logic: when the girls have a lot of potential clients lining up in Mamba, they can charge more. When there are less. To the point that they would like to have more. Then they can accept lower prices. About premium: like I said, I've already paid enough 250-300 dollar / hours and found out that it's simply not worth it. My regulars have been less than 150 dollar for hour and their looks and skills in sex have been perfect for me, so I won't settle for less. Since so few girls in Mamba replied last summer, the market in Kiev didn't appear satisfying. If this would change, it gives a new interest to the city. I liked the place otherwise.
If the history teaches us anything, then you would understand that when times are tough, and the visiting hobbyists are scarce, Ukrainian girls raise prices.This sentence requires further explanation, since there hasn't been mentions about the prices in previous critical moments in the history of Kiev / Ukraine. Is this your personal experience? Where did the spike in prices show up? Non-pro, semi-pro, pro?
Stop analyzing. You over-engineer it.It's called planning. I use this forum to find a place to have a holiday. That's the reason to read these posts: to find information about availability, prices and experiences with independent girls, salons etc. I see that some like to use it for other purposes, but based on the amount of questions related to direct experiences concerning prices, availability of girls etc. In this forum at large, I would say that most of the people are here for that. To share their experiences among these issues. Some like to write stories of what they did. All the way to what positions they had etc. - but I find that to be rather amusing. In a silly way. But everyone to their tastes.
There was good discussion around last spring and summer.
No. Fatal mistake.
Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.1st: there are periodically fixed vacation times that prevent the travel at one's leisure, so my main trip of the year will be in the summer season. I'd say that I have to book my trip in the next two months, so I still have a little bit of time to wait to see if the dust will rise or settle down.
2st: I wouldn't consider it safe to travel at this moment. Nobody can say what will happen to the (return) flights in the next month.
CallSignRomeo
02-12-22, 19:37
No. Fatal mistake.
Best price if you go right now. Girls need money. Summer = The crisis will be over. Tourists come back. Every nice girl will be on vacation. Or Kyiv will be a part of Russia.Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.
I left. This is based on local and foreign people I know in Ukraine. The foreigners I know in Ukraine (some already left) and the rest will leave this weekend. Why do you think so many countries Foreign Minister service say leave Ukraine now (fast).
Also today the Russians start to send there diplomats out of Ukraine and back to Russia.
Also the last couple of day's there just been built a large field hospital on the Russian side of the border.
And from Kiev to the Berlarus border where there are Russian trops only few hours drive.And today https://www.archyde.com/the-iraqi-foreign-ministry-asked-its-citizens-to-leave-ukraine-and-not-to-travel-to-it/.
What a Fucking joke from a bunch of crooks and thieves where its citizens only weeks ago were camped on the Belarus border trying to get into Poland after paying thousands of $" to flee Iraq.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0qzW39ZVqCw
PhotoSlider
02-13-22, 08:17
It's simple logic.Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?
Everybody has his own preferences. Some work better than others. Some habits are difficult to abandon.
Empirical practice results seem like a good criteria of success.
Best of luck in your future endeavors, and please post your reports. With or without the graphic description of positions. I personally like missionary, because I can go for DFK. Doggie is equally attractive, just the thought of firmly holding in my hands one of those gorgeous behinds leaves me speechless for a moment. But then there are young ballerinas and gymnast ladies, that opened up a totally different universe, that Kama Sutra didn't help me to even imagine.
KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.
KLM and Lufthansa have now stop flying in and out of Ukraine. I hope you all got out in time.On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-empty-seats-on-flights-out-of-ukraine-israelis-evidently-in-no-rush-to-leave/
'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'
Did this logic help while preparing for visits? Or score consistently while already in Kiev? Or anywhere else?.Yes, the (ages old) logic of supply and demand proved to be correct: as other persons in this forum stated last summer, the prices had suddenly gone up because of the flood of Arabs. This brought down the availability of 120 dollar (non-salon) girls, which were supposed to be on relatively good supply based on previous information from both the forum and personal communication with girls before the summer season. This leads to the conclusion that certain changes in the supply and demand rate can and most likely will affect prices in such a way that one has to pay more. Since the news of the changed situation came only weeks before the trip, it was too late to change plans. This is why it's smart to take the whole situation in consideration, when planning a trip.
By the way, you didn't offer any contradicting examples about "learning about history", in regards that the prices would go up if the demand goes down. I'm willing to read such examples with interest, if you have them.
Before last summer's trip I actually had contacted girls through Mamba that were willing to come for that 120 dollar price, but the more they sent me their pictures and the more I communicated with them (and I kept this to the minimum) the less I wanted to meet them. I don't care for certain kind of individuals, of which one can usually recognize from their style.
Even as my purpose is not to buy girls attention with money, to use it as a tool to get her interest directed towards me, I've become more and more picky in regards to the character of the girl: I've noted that I don't enjoy sex to the fullest if the personality of the girl is such that I find it even a bit of repulsive. Finding a girl I really want to meet just for sex is a time consuming process, and even if the supply is good (like in the case of 250-300 dollar girls, where one can just pick whomever he wants) it's a rather slim chance to find a keeper. A girl whom I prefer and with whom sex is always good. I've met three of these. That's like one out of ten.
Personally, I have yet to make a decision of whether to travel to Kiev if this situation is calmed down in the next month. If all is normalized, then Kiev goes up in terms of appeal. Supply and demand might be on a good spot.
Yes, this is the optimum time for price conscious person to travel to Ukraine. The flights are cheap, girls are free and service should be lot better with good options. There might be some skirmishes going on in Kiev and other areas closer to Russia but for the most part you can have good time in places like Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivisk and other cities located in western Ukraine.Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?
CallSignRomeo
02-14-22, 18:59
Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?Yes optimum time for travelling to western Ukraine viz Lviv, Ternopil and so on as for the most part if the war starts it will be centred around Eastern Ukraine and Kiev oblast. This is true as lot of embassies have already moved to Lviv and if SHTF people will have time to travel to Polish border as it is only 4-5 hours away. It is very unlikely Russians will target civilians fleeing towards polish border if worse case scenario does happen.
Although it sounds crude my statements are in line with what President Zelensky has been saying all this while- if you cause large scale economic damage without firing a single bullet that's lot of harm done already!
On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-empty-seats-on-flights-out-of-ukraine-israelis-evidently-in-no-rush-to-leave/
'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'Nice to hear you still are in Kiev (I hope you have fun). Of course it is up to people self to decide what they will do in this situation (stay or leave). But I hope we can agree on if Russia start to attract Ukraine it will be very difficult to leave Ukraine. I can tell you not many Danish people back and the Danish Minister og Foreign Affairs said to the few Danish people there will stay in Ukraine (Denmark will not come and save you, if Russia attack than you most manage by your self). It is the same as many other government in the world have said to there citizens in Ukraine.
Be safe.
Optimum time? Hmm anyone mention about the war that is going to start? Are you sure you mention optimum time is now?Why would Putin want a war now? Maybe two weeks ago there was a risk that Putin would look weak if he attacked. Whereas if Russia continues these war games another month, then goes home while leaving all their military gear in place, ready to attack in the future, USA is going to look like a bunch of hysterical fools. Meanwhile, Ukraine's economy is getting hammered again. Meaning a new government next election. War is risky and expensive. Much cheaper and safer for Putin to slowly grind Ukraine into submitting to his will.
I agree with Photoslider that SOME Ukrainians use that backward economic thinking, such that the fewer customers, the higher the price, to make up for lost business. But they are not all like that. More common is to simply hold the price steady. In which case, crisis doesn't mean lower prices, but it might mean much better selection and eagerness to please.
Optimum time or not, you guys in Kyiv can at least f* like there is no tomorrow. Enjoy!
PhotoSlider
02-14-22, 21:25
SOME Ukrainians use that backward economic thinking, such that the fewer customers, the higher the price, to make up for lost business. But they are not all like that. More common is to simply hold the price steady. In which case, crisis doesn't mean lower prices, but it might mean much better selection and eagerness to please.Solid business analytics by Kozerog as always.
Selection in June of 2014 in Kiev has been amazing. Back then my new acquaintance took a 3 hours commuter train to have the first date with me. There was no agreement on price. She showed up to escort me to Theater.
After the show we simply walked over to my place and OMG was she gorgeous! My local friend called around 11 pm, in the middle of me taking her. He invited to go for a dinner. I responded with "I'm about to finish, will call you back soon" She giggled.
I still remember her expensive lingerie and impeccable curves. 20 years old. When she was leaving, I asked how much, she exclaimed "2000!" and blushed. I already had exactly 2000 UAH in the back pocket of my jeans, and handed it over. She expressed regrets about the request, tried to refuse taking it, I gave her another long DFK, and calmed down, she left with 2000.
We are still in touch. She is the best. 2000 UAH in 2014 was about 170 USD. For 6 hours with educated young beauty.
Yes, selection was great. Out of 6 girls that I had in 36 hours - 3 were gorgeous, and all 6 were "eager to please". I felt very safe in Kiev during that visit.
PhotoSlider
02-14-22, 21:36
Yes, the (ages old) logic of supply and demand proved to be correct: as other persons in this forum stated last summer, the prices had suddenly gone up because of the flood of Arabs. This brought down the availability of 120 dollar (non-salon) girls, which were supposed to be on relatively good supply based on previous information from both the forum and personal communication with girls before the summer season. This leads to the conclusion that certain changes in the supply and demand rate can and most likely will affect prices in such a way that one has to pay more. Since the news of the changed situation came only weeks before the trip, it was too late to change plans. This is why it's smart to take the whole situation in consideration, when planning a trip.Yep, prices went up, not down. Too many words, Desin.
By the way, you didn't offer any contradicting examples about "learning about history", in regards that the prices would go up if the demand goes down. I'm willing to read such examples with interest, if you have them.And I am not your administrative secretary. Go ahead, read back few years, or simply believe what Kozerog said.
I am not here to prove anything. I am posting to the pleasure of those who wants to read. Otherwise, please do ignore.
Finding a girl I really want to meet just for sex is a time consuming process, and even if the supply is good (like in the case of 250-300 dollar girls, where one can just pick whomever he wants) it's a rather slim chance to find a keeper. A girl whom I prefer and with whom sex is always good. I've met three of these. That's like one out of ten.1 out of 10 was my ratio too. Not bad at all.
Personally, I have yet to make a decision of whether to travel to Kiev if this situation is calmed down in the next month. If all is normalized, then Kiev goes up in terms of appeal. Supply and demand might be on a good spot.One may fail even when all the meticulous calculations are correct. Kiev is rather stochastic, random. Wide spectrum of potential opportunities. I am simply not dissuaded by the low quality encounters along the way, and am field trained to recognize most of those early enough. But I dismiss them in person, not over their pictures in smartphone. And the longer I was in Kiev, the more true gems I found.
On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-empty-seats-on-flights-out-of-ukraine-israelis-evidently-in-no-rush-to-leave/
'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'They know their govt will come get them if there is a problem.
Henri Dufresne
02-15-22, 09:58
I would like to warn you about the fake escorts that you can find on Tinder, Mamba. Ru, Ukrainian dating websites.
These women get dressed like pros, they wear fit dress, a lot of make-up, high heels. However, they want you to pay without giving anything in exchange. Therefore, these women say they want a sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship. They confidently suggest a relationship in which you have no benefits. They just want to send them gifts. They want you to invite them to the restaurant so that they don't have to pay for food. They want you to buy them drinks or clothes. They have different techniques but all these scammers have something in common, they all operate from dating websites, dating agencies, and also camgirl websites. For several years, I have read reports of guys who say they found a pro thanks to tinder or mamba. I tried myself these two dating websites. It was a disaster. I have found psychos, scammers. I think these dating apps are overrated. I think they are men traps.
So, we are on a forum, and we talk about pros, you may not understand my point. Some Ukrainian women on Tinder claim to accept money in exchange for sex. You will be able to find out that there are scammers very quickly. They usually tell you a story implying that you must give money first. For instance, she will tell you she wants to meet you first. She wants to milk you like a cash cow. Then, Once you give the money these women vanish and you will never see them again.
Real Ukrainian pros don't chit chat. They don't select their customers. If you visit a local website with escort ads like ukrgo (in Ukrainian), you will find the real pros. You must use these websites in Ukrainian, there is no other option. On Ukrgo, the pictures can be fake but at least, these women offer a real service. A second option would the Kiev nightclub after the covid19 crisis. Those two options are the most reliable ways to find a pro in Ukraine.
I interacted with such a woman, she cheated me out of 50 euros. I told her that she can't get anything for free in this world. I told her that if she wants money from me, she must do something in return. I explained her what I wanted exactly. It worked. However, I still don't think that tinder and mamba are a good place to find semi pros. There are too many women who don't want to give anything in return.
Some local Ukrainian men, will tell you that women from villages or Donetsk, or Lviv or Kharkiv are better. Don't believe what they tell you. There are scammers everywhere.
Optimum time or not, you guys in Kyiv can at least f* like there is no tomorrow. Enjoy!9.
Remember the Swine Flu Panic? That was more of a Hyped up problem then, than the imminent danger of a Russian Invasion. I flew into Kiev at that time and so glad I did.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-returns-some-troops-bases-areas-near-ukraine-report-2022-02-15/
Stocks are up as well https://www.ft.com/content/e212c7aa-b2d6-4ce0-8df7-bea36079dc36 European stocks jump after Russia says some troops returning to base.
I would like to warn you about the fake escorts that you can find on Tinder, Mamba. Ru, Ukrainian dating websites.
These women get dressed like pros, they wear fit dress, a lot of make-up, high heels. However, they want you to pay without giving anything in exchange. Therefore, these women say they want a sugar daddy / sugar baby relationship. They confidently suggest a relationship in which you have no benefits. They just want to send them gifts. They want you to invite them to the restaurant so that they don't have to pay for food. They want you to buy them drinks or clothes. They have different techniques but all these scammers have something in common, they all operate from dating websites, dating agencies, and also camgirl websites. For several years, I have read reports of guys who say they found a pro thanks to tinder or mamba. I tried myself these two dating websites. It was a disaster. I have found psychos, scammers. I think these dating apps are overrated. I think they are men traps.
So, we are on a forum, and we talk about pros, you may not understand my point. Some Ukrainian women on Tinder claim to accept money in exchange for sex. You will be able to find out that there are scammers very quickly. They usually tell you a story implying that you must give money first. For instance, she will tell you she wants to meet you first. She wants to milk you like a cash cow. Then, Once you give the money these women vanish and you will never see them again.
Real Ukrainian pros don't chit chat. They don't select their customers. If you visit a local website with escort ads like ukrgo (in Ukrainian), you will find the real pros. You must use these websites in Ukrainian, there is no other option. On Ukrgo, the pictures can be fake but at least, these women offer a real service. A second option would the Kiev nightclub after the covid19 crisis. Those two options are the most reliable ways to find a pro in Ukraine..You don't need to go in dating website to find such girl. I got a lot of contact from instagram, just with following some girls.
The best ones were:
- buy me a tank, there is a discount on worldoftank, it ends just before tonight dinner.
- it's my birthday tomorrow, I'm sure you know how to please a woman.
- I need makeup for the dinner, please order some for me today.
I let you guess my answer and the becoming of such contact.
9.
Remember the Swine Flu Panic? That was more of a Hyped up problem then, than the imminent danger of a Russian Invasion. I flew into Kiev at that time and so glad I did.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-returns-some-troops-bases-areas-near-ukraine-report-2022-02-15/
Stocks are up as well https://www.ft.com/content/e212c7aa-b2d6-4ce0-8df7-bea36079dc36 European stocks jump after Russia says some troops returning to base.I hope you are right. It was a nice day on the stock marked. Try to look at satellite foto from the company (Maxar Technologies). Than you can see a other stories. It show the Russian start to be in fighting position.
Do you really believe what Putin say?
Yep, prices went up, not down. Too many words, Desin.
And I am not your administrative secretary. Go ahead, read back few years, or simply believe what Kozerog said.
I am not here to prove anything. I am posting to the pleasure of those who wants to read. Otherwise, please do ignore.I did already read this thread way back before my trip to Kiev. There was no notable mention of such an occurrence that the less there would be clients the more the girls would ask. Normally, when one makes a statement in internet forum, he or she is ready and willing to back it up with explanation. I would expect the same from you. A method of "oh, I this is how it is, but I'm not going to tell you what I base my claim" is just poor argumentation and hints of made-up claims just for the sake of having an oppositional argument. I can believe you and Kozerog can have met such a girls, but to depict this as a foreseeable trend to come in the case of crisis is, without further details and clarification, an easily dismissible claim.
If there will not be economic troubles in Kiev after Russian politics, then the total amount of girls would not be expectable to rise. If the tourists are "minority" source of income for Kiev's girls, then the lack of them would indeed more likely to have no effect on the prices. Let's hope the people on the ground will contribute to this subject and keep us informed of their view of the forthcoming trends.
About selecting the girls, there is a huge amount of information about one's character to be read on photos, voice and output of words / text. This helps to save a lot of time and money, when one knows what he is looking for and what not. I've come to the point that if I get a certain feeling from one's facial features (including aesthetics but certainly not limited to it, focusing more on the matter of personality that is discernible in one's face) I simply stop the procedure at that point. This issue could also be named the only matter that could persuade me to pay more than I would normally pay. There was a Russian girl in Mamba that was so interesting in her looks and way to move her body (her feminine sexuality in the sense of seduction) that I was starting to plan my trip there almost only because of her. But then she got botox lips. I just can't stand them.
DramaFree11
02-15-22, 23:37
Design your reports are great, as are most of the new guys are also amazing. They give a very accurate description of Ukraine has become.
1. A lot of work.
2. Too many scams.
3. Zero night life.
4. Sex tourist every where.
5. Not to mention the people fleeing the country.
6. There are others.
As others have said the only way to be successful in.
Kiev is the ground game. This take significant time and resources. Even then you will probably end up with a 5 or 6. No, the village is not the answer.
There no way The Distinguished Gentleman does not know about these issues, he is in complete denial about most of these drawbacks. He just says these issues do not apply to him or he just omit them from his reports.
I could careless, the problem guys read these fabrication and believe them. Keep up the great reports.
PhotoSlider
02-16-22, 17:41
You don't need to go in dating website to find such girl. I got a lot of contact from instagram, just with following some girls.
The best ones were:
- buy me a tank, there is a discount on worldoftank, it ends just before tonight dinner.
- it's my birthday tomorrow, I'm sure you know how to please a woman.
- I need makeup for the dinner, please order some for me today.
I let you guess my answer and the becoming of such contact.You nailed it, Fred!
I take it another step up. When the girl becomes a candidate as a regular, instead of giving her money, that she would blow away on stupid shit, I take her to the shoe store, and watch what she wants to buy. I suggest practical long term choices, good quality and classy, that she would wear every day at the University (and remember who bought it for her). I still take her to my affordable and reliable beauty salon before we go to theater, but I pay cash to the master myself. And it's fun to observe how the master doesn't react to ever changing kaleidoscope of young beauties.
There was a funny occasion in the very beginning, where I did my own simple haircut and made a reservation for my regular. Showed her avatar in Viber to the master, and she replied with:
- This is your daughter? She looks very much like you.
Anyway, when I take the candidate to the shoe store, I watch what she chooses. The best one allowed me to buy her only one pair of shoes for her diploma presentation at the University. She said: "One pair is enough. You work so hard earning the money, no reason to spend it absent-mindlessly". That's when I understood that for the next few days I'll be monogamous. We spent weeks together without talking about money, and my expenses on her were reasonable.
Another GIA girl arrived on the first date without any makeup. She was young and naturally beautiful, but didn't know I'll extend beyond the initial hour, and then take her to theater. She asked to buy some cosmetics nearby, and paid herself. I didn't object. It was minimal, and I don't play those stupid macho alpha male games.
So, yes, Fred is absolutely correct, it is easy to qualify the candidates by vetting them while shopping. Greedy ones get the exit door.
PhotoSlider
02-16-22, 18:20
I would expect the same from you.Desin, my services are not complementary, and the billing rate is quite high.
There was a discussion five years ago or so about high level pro girls charging across the globe about the same as an average lawyer.
I am not a lawyer. I expect at least twice as much. Feel free to ignore my posts.
I could careless, the problem guys read these fabrication and believe them. Keep up the great reports.Yeah well, one has to learn by mistake. At least once. Kiev is a nice holiday destination if one likes eye candy on a warm summer day. The rest is questionably.
The one part of opportunity I didn't pursue is hanging out in the main street looking for girls at late hours. The last night I took a walk there and sat down for like 10 minutes. A pretty girl came to sit to the bench next to me, giving me this strange look: it was like "is there anything I can do for you?" She had her headphones on, so I hesitated to start to speak English to her. There were couple of occasions like this on day time as well, so it could have been that my clothes gave me up for an European tourist.
But as tempting it is to travel to Kiev and see if this could be fruitful, it's still too risky choice considering all the expenses the trip will take. If fellow travelers visit the city, I would like to hear how it goes if you try this out. One person already told about his success in this. Girls are of course out there on the benches to be spotted by their own aged peers as well, so it would seem to require the girl to make it all clear that she is approachable.
Desin, my services are not complementary, and the billing rate is quite high.
There was a discussion five years ago or so about high level pro girls charging across the globe about the same as an average lawyer.
I am not a lawyer. I expect at least twice as much. Feel free to ignore my posts.I actually thought you were speaking from experience.
Thank you for clarifying this was not the case.
According to Ria have Ukrainian forces shot at the Russian militants in eastern Ukraine with mortar shells this night. Ukraine denies. This could be the " false flag ". Also the White House say the the Russian have sent 7000 more troops to the border the latest days.
You don't need to go in dating website to find such girl. I got a lot of contact from instagram, just with following some girls.
The best ones were:
- buy me a tank, there is a discount on worldoftank, it ends just before tonight dinner..My answer would be, let's try it before I buy you one.
https://stayinkiev.com/tank-driving
". Also the White House say the the Russian have sent 7000 more troops to the border the latest days.Well The WH Should have released a schedule of the Upcoming Invasions of Ukraine to enable Maria and others to Plan their Vacations accordingly. https://tass.com/world/1404247.
Well The WH Should have released a schedule of the Upcoming Invasions of Ukraine to enable Maria and others to Plan their Vacations accordingly. https://tass.com/world/1404247.How did it go Dow today. And why to you think it fall so much?
How did it go Dow today. And why to you think it fall so much?Today Friday 18 Feb gone Up. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-today-us-futures-dow-jones-russia-ukraine-crisis-2022-2.
LOL, The stock market is like a guy with IBS, All it takes is one Fart to ruin the Day.
Today Friday 18 Feb gone Up. https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-today-us-futures-dow-jones-russia-ukraine-crisis-2022-2.
LOL, The stock market is like a guy with IBS, All it takes is one Fart to ruin the Day.Yes the stock marked is like crazy bitches. There have just been a big explosion in centrum of Donetsk.
Yes the stock marked is like crazy bitches. There have just been a big explosion in centrum of Donetsk.Putin's cook's mercenaries were flought there earlier. Shit is getting real.
Putin's cook's mercenaries were flought there earlier. Shit is getting real.The situation is getting really bad in eastern Ukraine at this moment (my friend told me he live in Kharkiv). Also the Russian military will continue with there exercise in Belarus (it should had finish today). My friend in Kiev say there are not many tourist in Kiev now. And that many of the local rich people have left Ukraine and many from middle class have gone to the countryside or to Lviv.
Visited the strip club which is getting worse and worse. A good location notwithstanding. There are many girls, but no ladies worth mentioning.
All the girls are bored and are mechanically rocking on stage. Previously, there were a few who could dance.
And almost no one seems to bother giving private dances. What are they really bothering about?
I bought 2 dancers in advance yesterday and we went into the room. The first thing she says is that she is in a bad mood.
Yes really a good start!
The first two songs she did were doing gymnastic exercises on the floor. I signaled that she had to get within reach, but she arrogantly ignored it.
I got up and said this did not work for me. If I could not touch the goods, it could be the same.
She tried to hold me back, but I had been patient for a long time and got into a bad mood myself. This tends to be contagious.
I chatted with the two clowns of administrators. One smarter than the other. I said that since the start of the club I had had hundreds of private dancers, never complained, but that it was a big disappointment to pay 1000 Grivna and just sit on the couch watching uninspired movements without any contact. I explained that I was very dissatisfied. I have vip card and free admission and was expecting some support. Maybe a couple for free consider or a drink or two as compensation.
I received no other response than that the two looked at me stupidly. One of them came with the back of the Crazy menu, where it was written in small print that you had to agree the menu with the dancer in advance. Hello, I've never heard of that before. So without agreeing with the dancer, you can risk not getting anything other than hearing about how much the dancer has a headache?
I have never before needed to agree in advance what a private dance should contain. That should be obvious. In Ukraine, there has never been anything but close contact in all clubs' private rooms. What the hell is going on? Is there no one who cares about customer satisfaction? Who is the real boss of this club?
I'm not stingy, so they want me to spend my money elsewhere?
Visited the strip club which is getting worse and worse. A good location notwithstanding. There are many girls, but no ladies worth mentioning.Thanks for your informative report.
When did you visit Harem?
CastOnThis
02-22-22, 15:15
Visited the strip club which is getting worse and worse. A good location notwithstanding. There are many girls, but no ladies worth mentioning.
All the girls are bored and are mechanically rocking on stage. Previously, there were a few who could dance.
And almost no one seems to bother giving private dances. What are they really bothering about?
I bought 2 dancers in advance yesterday and we went into the room. The first thing she says is that she is in a bad mood.
Yes really a good start!
The first two songs she did were doing gymnastic exercises on the floor. I signaled that she had to get within reach, but she arrogantly ignored it.
I got up and said this did not work for me. If I could not touch the goods, it could be the same.
She tried to hold me back, but I had been patient for a long time and got into a bad mood myself. This tends to be contagious.You got to go to where the money is at and that is paradise cabaret. Sorry, it is the only strip club in Kiev that is "worth" it. The girls are good looking, fake tattas, but you won't hear them complain the private dance.
Visited the strip club which...So sad you had this bad experience, same happened to me in princess stripclub, 2 times in December.
Kiev was a stripclub paradise before covid, it seems everything is getting worse now, and I don't known why.
PhotoSlider
02-24-22, 00:38
What the hell is going on? Is there no one who cares about customer satisfaction?James, please forgive me for the suggestion, but imagine for a moment that you are one of those girls. Money is scarce. The mood is gloomy. Maybe overnight bombs will fall.
Would you be enthusiastic?
At the same time if the customer walks in looking for an adventure, why reject his payment? The whole purpose of Arena City always been vacuum cleaning the pockets of visitors.
IMO this is not the best time to attend Kiev strip clubs at the moment. On the other hand, great opportunity for consolation of those beauties that require a civilized calming down. Would go a long way when the dust settles down.
9.
Remember the Swine Flu Panic? That was more of a Hyped up problem then, than the imminent danger of a Russian Invasion. I flew into Kiev at that time and so glad I did.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-returns-some-troops-bases-areas-near-ukraine-report-2022-02-15/
Stocks are up as well https://www.ft.com/content/e212c7aa-b2d6-4ce0-8df7-bea36079dc36 European stocks jump after Russia says some troops returning to base.What's your thoughts now? Please let us know the next move, your bating avg only can get better! ! Still no danger? All hype?
On the ground in Kiev and they are the ones who know the situation more than anyone else and they are not in a Rush to Leave.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-empty-seats-on-flights-out-of-ukraine-israelis-evidently-in-no-rush-to-leave/
'sources in the aviation industry confirmed to the Kan public broadcaster that there are hardly any Israelis leaving Ukraine, with low occupancy on each flight out to Israel.'Hmmm starting to be a rush or everyone still calm? Optimum time to come get cheap pussy?
Well, I was wrong: http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?816-Kiev&p=2663199&viewfull=1#post2663199. (Typo, in that post BTW. I meant "if Putin backed off on attack two weeks ago he would look weak, whereas backing off after so many USA warnings makes USA look foolish, like boy who cried wolf too often".) Maybe Putin still worried about looking weak. Now I expect Russians will surround big cities without occupying them, shut down economy, then order snap elections, with warning that siege will only be lifted if new government acceptable to Putin and this new government takes immediate steps to bar Ukraine from NATO and de-militiarize and comply with other Russian demands. Then Russia can withdraw from Ukraine and mend relations with Europe. Definitely more risky and expensive strategy than simply destroying Ukraine economy without invading. Big winner here is China.
Anyway, talked to my regular. She says all is calm near her, but news reports are mixed and confusing. Hopefully, war will be over by summer so I can visit. Otherwise, I might go to Moldova and invite her to visit me there.
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The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange if information between men on the subject of finding women for sex. Let's stick to the subject.
Yeah. News about the conspiracy for a coup were in the air months ago, so here we go. No doubt they (Russia) want this over as fast as possible. But when will the West and airlines think it's over?
Hello all,
We saw the news about the war and we thought it would be the perfect time to find some non-pros. We arrived in Ukraine, last week. We are men in our 60's, few of us have served in the military however none of us expected the situation to be as it is now.
Tanks have started moving into Kyiv, just yesterday Martial law was declared and our the ex military man on our team says things are about to get worse. We are not young men, we are over 60 and came here to see if we could find non-pros who were looking for stability in such unstable times.
In regards to women, they are available. Talking to a few and one even moved in with me eventhough I have not been here long. However she is very scared about the current situation, I am scared too. I do my best to hide it but the reading news and hearing about bombings is causing my ulcers to trigger. I hope I do not die in this country.
They Ukraine government has called for all people to join the resistance efforts against the Russians. In our group we are all over the age of 60, there are 2 military veterans. However we did not come to defend Ukraine and lose our lives but to find non-pros.
9.
Remember the Swine Flu Panic? That was more of a Hyped up problem then, than the imminent danger of a Russian Invasion. I flew into Kiev at that time and so glad I did.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-returns-some-troops-bases-areas-near-ukraine-report-2022-02-15/
Stocks are up as well https://www.ft.com/content/e212c7aa-b2d6-4ce0-8df7-bea36079dc36 European stocks jump after Russia says some troops returning to base.All I can say it's in the Title. "A week is a long time in Politics".
Russian army encircling Kiev and are already in Obolon.
I am still here in Kiev and going nowhere. The situation is very tense, chaotic and completely uncertain. Only food stores and pharmacies are open, at least for now. Everything else is closed, as are offices. No above-ground transport is working but the metro is, very few cars about except to possibly leave the city for places in the west of Ukraine. However, the metro stations are also being used as bomb shelters except those which are located above ground, primarily on the Left Bank. A real nightmare. No thoughts about the hobby now, only that of getting through this alive and well.
As for some irony, the Penthouse Strip Club on Velyka Vasylkivska is also an official bomb shelter!
I am still here in Kiev and going nowhere. The situation is very tense, chaotic and completely uncertain. Only food stores and pharmacies are open, at least for now. Everything else is closed, as are offices. No above-ground transport is working but the metro is, very few cars about except to possibly leave the city for places in the west of Ukraine. However, the metro stations are also being used as bomb shelters except those which are located above ground, primarily on the Left Bank. A real nightmare. No thoughts about the hobby now, only that of getting through this alive and well.
As for some irony, the Penthouse Strip Club on Velyka Vasylkivska is also an official bomb shelter!Uke Boy, I really Salute you for your determination and courage and also for taking the time to post a live report from a warzone.
All the best.
Uke Boy, I really Salute you for your determination and courage and also for taking the time to post a live report from a warzone.
All the best.
I absolutely second that, I hope everyone stays safe.
Stocks are up as well https://www.ft.com/content/e212c7aa-b2d6-4ce0-8df7-bea36079dc36 European stocks jump after Russia says some troops returning to base.Even with The Russian Army changing direction, its not all Doom&Gloom for many Investors and Potential mongers heading to Kiev in late Spring, Summer.
"European markets closed sharply higher today with shares in London leading the region. The FTSE 100 is up 3. 86% while Germany's DAX is up 3. 67% and France's CAC 40 is up 3. 55% ". https://money.cnn.com/data/world_markets/europe/.
Been to Kiev about 8-10 years many times, and stayed at an Apartment next to Maidan, I watch it in the past ours through live Camera, I salute you man, stay safe and fight for your country. Our thoughts are with all Ukrainian people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIPNVm6lNfM
They Ukraine government has called for all people to join the resistance efforts against the Russians. In our group we are all over the age of 60, there are 2 military veterans. However we did not come to defend Ukraine and lose our lives but to find non-pros.In the midst of every crisis, lies great opportunity. Einstein said.
But to go there during a cisis is brave or idiotic. Whereas both comes close.
Just stay in your shelter. I assume (but its a very private assumption) the Russkies will not flatten Kiev. They only want to get hold of the system -and then control their puppet there. Similar to Belarus.
Once its over. Then you will have ample opportunities. Good luck! Also to Uke boy.
It really depends on who you want to ask?
https://ua.usembassy.gov/ukraine-level-4-do-not-travel-2/
Across the pond https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436705/Americans-safer-Kyiv-LA-source-close-Zelensky-slams-Biden-evacuating-Ukraine.html.Less than 2 weeks ago on 12 Feb When President Zelensky spoke and I Listened. https://news.yahoo.com/warnings-russian-invasion-stoking-panic-174131863.html.
And demands to see firm proof of a planned invasion.
They Ukraine government has called for all people .HulaHoops, I find your situation very interesting, and want to ask some questions.
1) how long did you originally plan to stay in Ukraine?
2) any idea how you will get home now?
3) what arrangement did you come to with the woman that moved in with you? Where did you meet her?
Anyway please tell us more about your situation. And stay strong bro. Hopefully you are getting some sex even in this dire situation.
I am still here in Kiev and going nowhere. The situation is very tense, chaotic and completely uncertain. Only food stores and pharmacies are open, at least for now. Everything else is closed, as are offices. No above-ground transport is working but the metro is, very few cars about except to possibly leave the city for places in the west of Ukraine. However, the metro stations are also being used as bomb shelters except those which are located above ground, primarily on the Left Bank. A real nightmare. No thoughts about the hobby now, only that of getting through this alive and well.
As for some irony, the Penthouse Strip Club on Velyka Vasylkivska is also an official bomb shelter!Highly valuable source, any further reporting extremely appreciated.
To all the men thinking of coming to Ukraine for easy pussy, my answer quickly: Not worth it whatsoever. If I had known the situation was like this, I would honestly have never come. People are actually dying here, in Kiev because of Russian shelling. There is an actual threat to life. Coming here for pussy, is not worth it.
Summary:
We came as a group of about 5 of us. We are all over 60 and some in the group have actual military experience. We thought Putin was just posturing and that there was no chance in hell, he would actually send troops / tanks in.
We were completely wrong. We are in Kiev right now and they are tanks. Kiev and Kharkov are both surrounded by Russian soldiers and are under heavy shelling.
People on this board / the average newsreader doesn't understand how bad the situation is right now. For once, I would say the American media is downplaying how bad the situation in Kiev is. Electricity is sporadic. Internet is sporadic. Right now I am posting through a VPN. Getting access to food is becoming harder and harder. There is no one outside in the streets. Shops are closed, of course the shops are closed. All the shop owners are in the bomb shelter. Everyone is either in the bomb shelter or cowering at home. The streets are empty apart from soldiers. A few days ago, Russian soldiers wearing Ukrainian clothes were found and executed. They are plenty more like that. I am sure you have seen the video of a Russian tank running over a man who is in a car. That is just the tip of the iceberg, there are more atrocities being committed that are not recorded. Everyone here is fearful, the men and the women are really scared. Sex is just not on their mind.
Let me put this in a way that people on this board will understand, well the Americans at least.
The 3 most populated states in the US are California, Texas and Florida. Imagine you were residing in one of those states and the army of an opposing country had surrounded all 3 of those states. Not just an army as well, an army that you know is bigger / stronger than the army of your country. Also imagine, that you were under shelling, missile fire and most of your friends / families were in bomb shelters. That is the current situation in Ukraine! The 3 most populated cities are surrounded by the Russian army and are under shelling. Would sex be on your mind? Do you think the women in these cities would be up for meeting a foreigner in his 50's /60's for sex? Of course not. That's the fact I have now realized. If Putin didn't invade, I would be here enjoying cheap (or even free) sex with beautiful women and there would be no competition.
Further expanding on the sex situation. There is no sex to be had here, I can't go to a bomb shelter. As I would definitely not be having any sex in a bomb shelter. The women here are just too stressed out. The woman I have met, is actually an old acquaintance of a friend of mine. She is in her 50's, not a beauty in the least to be honest. However in times like these, one can't be choosy. I did not come here to sleep with an overweight 50 year old Ukrainian woman, I could have slept with a woman in her 50's back at home and there would be no threat to my life. The young women are not interested, they are scared and focused on survival. To be honest, I don't blame them. Plus also something that is new that I have not noticed before. There is a deep distrust / hate of foreigners. We are all white, from western countries and before we were welcomed in Ukraine. Now, they are looking at us with disdain and wondering what we are doing here. As a group we have almost had numerous fights with Ukrainian men, questioning our motives and accusing us of being foreign spies. They also blame / hate us for our countries not intervening to stop Putin. I have never been in a country where people are racist to white foreigners. This attitude never existed before the war but it is becoming common now.
I would say right now because of:
Actual and high threat to life from Russian army and shelling.
Shops are not open. Electricity and Internet are becoming worse each and every day.
Women here are stressed / scared and focused on survival not sex.
People here have become deeply distrustful, aggressive and hateful at anyone remotely foreign. They blame us. They are angry that are countries are not intervening to stop Putin. We are all white, yet we have had numerous arguments and even almost fights with Ukrainian men and women who question what we are doing in the country. They blame us for our countries not intervening. Of course, this makes sex even harder for foreigners.
These factors above just do not make Ukraine a viable option for mongering any more. Even free sex if you are a white foreigner. Once Putin and his army goes, then maybe it will be better but as of now, I will do my best to survive and leave this country immediately. If Putin did not invade, we would be living like kings here but that is not the case.
Whoever's on the ground, consider yourself to be lucky. How many times do you get to experience such a situation? It's an experience of a lifetime!
On top of that, you get to f* like there's no tomorrow. In early summer 2020 during the height of the pandemic I headed out to Kyiv and did exactly that! It was great. You won't regret!
Lucky Nuts
02-26-22, 06:47
I am still here in Kiev and going nowhere. The situation is very tense, chaotic and completely uncertain. Only food stores and pharmacies are open, at least for now. Everything else is closed, as are offices. No above-ground transport is working but the metro is, very few cars about except to possibly leave the city for places in the west of Ukraine. However, the metro stations are also being used as bomb shelters except those which are located above ground, primarily on the Left Bank. A real nightmare. No thoughts about the hobby now, only that of getting through this alive and well.
As for some irony, the Penthouse Strip Club on Velyka Vasylkivska is also an official bomb shelter!Thanks for your report Uke Boy. Updates much appreciated as well. Stay safe
Hello all,
We saw the news about the war and we thought it would be the perfect time to find some non-pros. We arrived in Ukraine, last week. We are men in our 60's, few of us have served in the military however none of us expected the situation to be as it is now.
Tanks have started moving into Kyiv, just yesterday Martial law was declared and our the ex military man on our team says things are about to get worse. We are not young men, we are over 60 and came here to see if we could find non-pros who were looking for stability in such unstable times.
In regards to women, they are available. Talking to a few and one even moved in with me eventhough I have not been here long. However she is very scared about the current situation, I am scared too. I do my best to hide it but the reading news and hearing about bombings is causing my ulcers to trigger. I hope I do not die in this country.I've heard of bargain hunting but you guys have taken it to another level. After this adventure you might want to check out Venezuela for some even better deals.
They Ukraine government has called for all people to join the resistance efforts against the Russians. In our group we are all over the age of 60, there are 2 military veterans. However we did not come to defend Ukraine and lose our lives but to find non-pros.For me there's no pussy or bargain pricing for the same worth such risks to life and limb.
Thanks for your report Uke Boy. Updates much appreciated as well. Stay safe
I've heard of bargain hunting but you guys have taken it to another level. After this adventure you might want to check out Venezuela for some even better deals.3 to 5 dollars, if that much.
In the midst of every crisis, lies great opportunity. Einstein said.
But to go there during a cisis is brave or idiotic. Whereas both comes close.
Just stay in your shelter. I assume (but its a very private assumption) the Russkies will not flatten Kiev.It's hilarious mentioning Einstein in the same breath as going into a war zone for the purpose of hunting for cheap pussy. No the Russians won't "flatten Kiev" but they are tearing it up good, and will continue to do so until they achieve their aims.
It's hilarious mentioning Einstein in the same breath as going into a war zone for the purpose of hunting for cheap pussy. No the Russians won't "flatten Kiev" but they are tearing it up good, and will continue to do so until they achieve their aims.I just saw on the news that a flat (apartment) was hit with a missile. So yes, they're tearing up Kyiv good. There were people in there too. They should have been out of there in a bomb shelter or something. The one thing I think Zelensky totally did wrong in this was not prepare the people for war. He refused to act in accordance with American intelligence reports on the basis of not wanting to panic people. Better to deal with reality and prepare as best you can.
Yes Russians are attacking civilian infrastructures, in spite of official claims. Anyone who wants to trust them with their lives in order to hunt for cheap pussy, go ahead.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/europe/ukraine-russia-videos-civilians-intl-cmd/index.html
Whoever's on the ground, consider yourself to be lucky. How many times do you get to experience such a situation? It's an experience of a lifetime!
On top of that, you get to f* like there's no tomorrow. In early summer 2020 during the height of the pandemic I headed out to Kyiv and did exactly that! It was great. You won't regret!In this post my sarcasm might have gone a little too far. It's a matter of life and death. My apology.
At this point I'm not sure if it's safer to stay in Kyiv or leave. All the best for those who are still there.
The one thing I think Zelensky totally did wrong in this was not prepare the people for war. He refused to act in accordance with American intelligence reports on the basis of not wanting to panic people. Better to deal with reality and prepare as best you can.Until Russia made the foolish decision to attack, Russia was winning (by chasing off investors and destroying Ukraine's economy) and USA was losing (by making predictions that failed to come true), which is why no one expected an invasion. Invasion will be disaster for Russia. China wins because a bankrupt Russia will be forced to supply China with unlimited raw materials. USA also big loser, because uniting Russia and China not good for USA. As for Ukraine, they will probably fight their way free of Russia, but the price will be every high. Ukraine will be even more bankrupted than Russia, though maybe the west will bail them out.
[Edit] Actually, USA might win if there is a coup in Russia, due to failure of the invasion, and then Russia gets a true democracy. Belarus will follow, and then the west could bail out Russia to prevent it from falling into China's hands. Invasion definitely not going well for Russians. Combination of low morale, undertrained conscripts, logistics issues (lack of fuel, ammunition, spare parts), poor air-ground coordination making ground vehicles vulnerable to anti-tank weapons, etc. Hopefully, they won't get frustrated and start saturation bombing Kyiv.
Until Russia made the foolish decision to attack, Russia was winning (by chasing off investors and destroying Ukraine's economy) and USA was losing (by making predictions that failed to come true), which is why no one expected an invasion. Invasion will be disaster for Russia. China wins because a bankrupt Russia will be forced to supply China with unlimited raw materials. USA also big loser, because uniting Russia and China not good for USA. As for Ukraine, they will probably fight their way free of Russia, but the price will be every high. Ukraine will be even more bankrupted than Russia, though maybe the west will bail them out.
Actually, USA might win if there is a coup in Russia, due to failure of the invasion, and then Russia gets a true democracy. Belarus will follow, and then the west could bail out Russia to prevent it from falling into China's hands. Invasion definitely not going well for Russians. Combination of low morale, undertrained conscripts, logistics issues (lack of fuel, ammunition, spare parts), poor air-ground coordination making ground vehicles vulnerable to anti-tank weapons, etc. Hopefully, they won't get frustrated and start saturation bombing Kyiv.Anyway you cut it, the world is going to suffer a lot of pain over this. Russia loses no matter what. Putin has overplayed his hand and proven himself to be just another two-bit Ruskie tyrant of a dictator. I hope your second script is the one that prevails.
Until Russia made the foolish decision to attack, Russia was winning (by chasing off investors and destroying Ukraine's economy) and USA was losing (by making predictions that failed to come true), which is why no one expected an invasion.Deploying troops to the border cost a lot of money. Putin had to either invade or back down.
But yes, generally Russia was already "winning" when it was chasing off investors, businesses, tourists, and diplomats, and making America look silly with invasion predictions.
The madman just couldn't accept the fact that Ukraine refused to be a Moscow puppet like Belarus, so he invaded.
To all the men thinking of coming to Ukraine for easy pussy, my answer quickly: Not worth it whatsoever. If I had known the situation was like this, I would honestly have never come. People are actually dying here, in Kiev because of Russian shelling. There is an actual threat to life. Coming here for pussy, is not worth it.
Summary:
We came as a group of about 5 of us. We are all over 60 and some in the group have actual military experience. We thought Putin was just posturing and that there was no chance in hell, he would actually send troops / tanks in.
We were completely wrong. We are in Kiev right now and they are tanks. Kiev and Kharkov are both surrounded by Russian soldiers and are under heavy shelling.
People on this board / the average newsreader doesn't understand how bad the situation is right now. For once, I would say the American media is downplaying how bad the situation in Kiev is. Electricity is sporadic. Internet is sporadic. Right now I am posting through a VPN. Getting access to food is becoming harder and harder. There is no one outside in the streets. Shops are closed, of course the shops are closed. All the shop owners are in the bomb shelter. Everyone is either in the bomb shelter or cowering at home. The streets are empty apart from soldiers. A few days ago, Russian soldiers wearing Ukrainian clothes were found and executed. They are plenty more like that. I am sure you have seen the video of a Russian tank running over a man who is in a car. That is just the tip of the iceberg, there are more atrocities being committed that are not recorded. Everyone here is fearful, the men and the women are really scared..We have spent a large amount of last evening fighting other survivors who are here in Kyiv.
The anti-foreigner hate has increased and blossomed over. A member of our group was attacked by a group of Ukrainian men who stay with us, they seem to blame us for our western countries not intervening.
What a terrible decision I made to come here.
JamesXBrown
02-27-22, 19:54
We have spent a large amount of last evening fighting other survivors who are here in Kyiv.
The anti-foreigner hate has increased and blossomed over. A member of our group was attacked by a group of Ukrainian men who stay with us, they seem to blame us for our western countries not intervening.
What a terrible decision I made to come here.I'm finding it hard to summon up much sympathy for you. If I read your earlier posts correctly, you flew into a country which was under significant threat of military attack purely in order to chase pussy. There really aren't the words to express how solipsistic that is.
I hope you get your asses thoroughly kicked, and then kicked out. Though I do hope you survive.
SavePros321
02-27-22, 21:11
We have spent a large amount of last evening fighting other survivors who are here in Kyiv.
The anti-foreigner hate has increased and blossomed over. A member of our group was attacked by a group of Ukrainian men who stay with us, they seem to blame us for our western countries not intervening.
What a terrible decision I made to come here.Your best bet is for you and your group to pool together your financial resources, find some local Ukrainians that you can trust, and pay them for protection. Be careful that you don't end up with some local thugs who will just want to exploit you.
To be honest, I do not know how much of a weight people would put on foreign money in this type of situation, but people will always need to rebuild when this is all over.
Try to find a sympathetic family; most of the men there will likely have no time to watch over you (they may see it as "I don't have time to babysit you". They will be looking out for themselves and their own families who stayed behind. Seek out Ukrainians who speak English, as they will likely have more experience dealing with Westerners.
Make yourself useful to the group shy of picking up arms. Maybe offer to go out and get meds for the very young or the elderly so that the women do not have to go out into the streets (but you should have a trustworthy local with you at all times to fend off any local Ukrainians who may cause you problems as a foreigner). Offer to help clean up in the area around you. You do not want to be seen as a burden, especially if food and water become scarce. You will be expected to carry your own weight if you want to eat.
This obviously goes without saying: but if a group does decide to take you in, the last thing you want to do is act like pussy-hounds and try to score with any of the females in the group. This would likely get you killed by the locals. In fact, pussy should be the last thing on your minds until you have safely gotten out of the country. It is imperative that you make sure everyone in your group that you traveled there with is onboard with this and sticks with this game plan for your safety. Come up with a plausible story as to why you are in their country to begin with (learn more about the culture, looking for a place to retire and save money, etc.). Anything to avoid the appearance of looking like sex tourist.
And obviously: try to link up with other western foreigners there and ask them what the game plan is to get the hell out of there. Strength in numbers. You will like find a large group of them at train stations or hotels that cater to foreigners.
Stay safe.
I echo this, to drop into a warzone for pussy is total madness. I hope you survive and can get home, but the vitriol directed towards you is deserved. You're using resources the people of UA need for themselves. You'll go back to a comfy lifestyle, while those there, will have to pick up the pieces, if they even survive the war.
I'm finding it hard to summon up much sympathy for you. If I read your earlier posts correctly, you flew into a country which was under significant threat of military attack purely in order to chase pussy. There really aren't the words to express how solipsistic that is.
I hope you get your asses thoroughly kicked, and then kicked out. Though I do hope you survive.
What a terrible decision I made to come here.Ok bro you made a mistake, we all do at some time in our lives.
What Country is home for you?
Are you staying in a hotel in Kiev or apartment. Please tell us more about your situation.
BTW im sure these guys aren't the only tourists who are caught in Ukraine at the moment, so Id say take it easy on HulaHoops..
He came to take advantage of the war situation, not someone who was suddenly taken unaware.
BTW im sure these guys aren't the only tourists who are caught in Ukraine at the moment, so Id say take it easy on HulaHoops..
Hello all,
We saw the news about the war and we thought it would be the perfect time to find some non-pros. We arrived in Ukraine, last week. We are men in our 60's, few of us have served in the military however none of us expected the situation to be as it is now.
Tanks have started moving into Kyiv, just yesterday Martial law was declared and our the ex military man on our team says things are about to get worse. We are not young men, we are over 60 and came here to see if we could find non-pros who were looking for stability in such unstable times.
In regards to women, they are available. Talking to a few and one even moved in with me eventhough I have not been here long. However she is very scared about the current situation, I am scared too. I do my best to hide it but the reading news and hearing about bombings is causing my ulcers to trigger. I hope I do not die in this country.
RakSopheni
02-27-22, 23:13
I hope you get your asses thoroughly kicked, and then kicked out. Though I do hope you survive.
I echo this, to drop into a warzone for pussy is total madness. I hope you survive and can get home, but the vitriol directed towards you is deserved. Behold, two perfect blameless angels. Let us bask in your radiant glow.
I'm sorry, but personally my first reaction to HulaHoops posts were that he is writing a parodical joke.
But just in case that is not the case, then there should be the possibility to leave Kiev. It's said that the civilians are free to leave Kiev, without Russian army targeting them.
edit: might be too late.
To all the men thinking of coming to Ukraine for easy pussy, my answer quickly: Not worth it whatsoever. If I had known the situation was like this, I would honestly have never come. People are actually dying here, in Kiev because of Russian shelling. There is an actual threat to life. Coming here for pussy, is not worth it.
Summary:
We came as a group of about 5 of us. We are all over 60 and some in the group have actual military experience. We thought Putin was just posturing and that there was no chance in hell, he would actually send troops / tanks in.
We were completely wrong. We are in Kiev right now and they are tanks. Kiev and Kharkov are both surrounded by Russian soldiers and are under heavy shelling.
People on this board / the average newsreader doesn't understand how bad the situation is right now. For once, I would say the American media is downplaying how bad the situation in Kiev is. Electricity is sporadic. Internet is sporadic. Right now I am posting through a VPN. Getting access to food is becoming harder and harder. There is no one outside in the streets...Thanks to all the responses. As an update, we are surviving. As others have mentioned, sex as a priority has been completely removed. Everyone is too busy staying alive. To the criticism, I agree it was a stupid thing to come here but you must understand no one though Putin would actually invade. If Putin did not invade, we would be living like kings.
I am telling a factual story, we have actually met an older man from the US and a local man who we have paid to be our friend. Now we focus on survival.
I'm sorry, but personally my first reaction to HulaHoops posts were that he is writing a parodical joke.
But just in case that is not the case, then there should be the possibility to leave Kiev. It's said that the civilians are free to leave Kiev, without Russian army targeting them.
edit: might be too late.Please I admit that I made a bad decision. But as I stated before, no one thought Putin would actually invade. If Putin did not invade, we would be enjoying ourselves here. I have nothing to gain from falsifying a report, I only hope to contribute good by warning others not to come here.
Until Russia made the foolish decision to attack, Russia was winning (by chasing off investors and destroying Ukraine's economy) and USA was losing (by making predictions that failed to come true), which is why no one expected an invasion. Invasion will be disaster for Russia. China wins because a bankrupt Russia will be forced to supply China with unlimited raw materials. USA also big loser, because uniting Russia and China not good for USA. As for Ukraine, they will probably fight their way free of Russia, but the price will be every high. Ukraine will be even more bankrupted than Russia, though maybe the west will bail them out.
Actually, USA might win if there is a coup in Russia, due to failure of the invasion, and then Russia gets a true democracy. Belarus will follow, and then the west could bail out Russia to prevent it from falling into China's hands. Invasion definitely not going well for Russians. Combination of low morale, undertrained conscripts, logistics issues (lack of fuel, ammunition, spare parts), poor air-ground coordination making ground vehicles vulnerable to anti-tank weapons, etc. Hopefully, they won't get frustrated and start saturation bombing Kyiv.Putin has painted himself into a corner, burned his bridges (except for a problematic one with China), or whatever other metaphor you choose to use. His only choice is to succeed, either in real terms or in a way by which he can claim, even if it's propaganda smoke-and-mirrors, some kind of victory. Failure is not an option because it will undermine him at home, perhaps with terminal consequences. And, while it's absolutely true that the Russian military has the resources to (eventually) prevail, it matters how long, at what cost, and what level of brutality they use.
The next few days are key because, as soon as the banks and markets open on Monday, I expect the ruble to plummet and I also expect a run on some (Many? Most?) banks in Russia. There are already reports of long ATM lines. It doesn't really matter what the specifics of the financial sanctions are. All that matters is that Russian consumers and business owners have a level of uncertainty that triggers a "better safe than sorry" reaction. Nobody wants to have their money in a bank which might close for a "holiday" or might restrict withdrawals. Another possible reaction would be for people to buy tangible items that would maintain value in the face of a depreciating currency. Obviously the govt could step in with measures like price controls, but that would tend to drive people into buying and selling on the black market, at much higher prices.
And how will the elites and oligarchs react? How much leverage does Putin have over them, and vice versa? I have no idea but I do think this coming week is crucial. If Ukraine is able to hang on, the pressure on Putin will grow by the hour, exponentially.
About China, I absolutely agree with you that any help China gives Russia will come at a very expensive price. They're not friends, no matter how much they say otherwise, but rather rivals and even past enemies. Anyone who has watched China has heard them talk about their "Century of Humiliation" which, guess what, Russia was right in the middle of. Do a web search for Amur Annexation and see how much land (including Vladivostok) the Chinese were coerced into giving up. China has a long memory and, if Russia has to depend on them, the Chinese will looking to balance (or more) the ledger. One last note about China is that they have a tightrope to walk because they can't afford to alienate Western markets, especially Europe. So that will affect the quantity and quality of help they give Russia.
As far as the West is concerned, some countries are dependent on Russian oil and gas but that won't be enough to stop sanctions, and accusations of war crimes, and other measures that will ensure Putin and his elites are seen as pariahs in many parts of the world. Certainly that seems to be happening in Europe, even in countries formerly sympathetic to Russia.
I have no crystal ball but I don't see any positive outcome for Putin. Like you, I hope and pray that the situation resolves without something (more) horrific happening, like the saturation-bombing of Kyiv.
P.S. You couldn't pay me enough right now to be Putin's food taster or bodyguard.
I'm sorry, but personally my first reaction to HulaHoops posts were that he is writing a parodical joke.
But just in case that is not the case, then there should be the possibility to leave Kiev. It's said that the civilians are free to leave Kiev, without Russian army targeting them.
edit: might be too late.Agree, from everything I've read, that it's too late to leave. So any non-Ukrainian in Kiev (or other city) and unable to leave would be well-advised to find some kind of local support to help them navigate and survive the current situation. Some organizations, like churches, NGOs, or charitable groups, might offer help free of charge. Otherwise you might look for a local who will help in exchange for payment.
Whenever this crisis ends, I wouldn't be surprised if the hryvnia stays at a low level for a long time. If that's case, some kind of deal in which payment will be made in Euros or GBP or USD could be very attractive. Of course, your local benefactor will also want some or most of the money up front. But I think it would be important to offer a sizeable bonus for getting you through the whole crisis in one piece. And there's also the cryptocurrency option, although I'm no expert on that. Depending on internet access and what kind of bank accounts are involved, something should be able to be worked out.
And choose wisely, because there's always the chance they take your money and leave you high and dry. One suggestion, if staying in a hotel or Airbnb, talk to the manager or owner as a start. Good luck!
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Still not safe particularly. However as mentioned before we have paid a local man handsomely to help us and have met another american expat. Plus the older Ukrainian woman is still with us and she has been a source of help of us. I shouldn't need to state but there are no opportunities for mongering here right now whatsoever, the younger women are not interested in meeting up plus there's an air of resentment towards foreigners. The damage to Kyiv is quite sad and a once beautiful city is being destroyed.
We were attacked by Ukrainians who were angry that our western countries did not aid Ukraine (we are all white foreigners) however we are healthy now and have learnt to keep our heads down and just focus on survival. The attitude towards foreigners here is one of resentment and some hatred.
No mongering to be had in Kyiv for a long long time. To all other tourists / mongers in Kyiv or wherever in Ukraine right now: keep your head down and do not flaunt wealth or your western status whatsoever. Focus on survival and avoid even having any contact with single women. People are suspicious of foreigners right now, realize it will take some time to earn the trust of the Ukrainians around you. Of the utmost importance is to keep your identification documents on you and do not trust anyone with them.
HulaHoops maybe this video might help you. Or least give you some inspiration.
https://youtu.be/PcOav_-kkx8
HulaHoops maybe this video might help you. Or least give you some inspiration.
https://youtu.be/PcOav_-kkx8.Thank you friend it is much appreciated. The group I am travelling with, we are good friends and our goal right now is just to survive. Thank you everyone for the messages of support. The curfew in Kyiv was finally relaxed this Monday morning and it seems talks between Ukraine and Russia are ongoing, here is hoping to a quick resolution of the war.
Since I'm not able to send private message, I'll post it here for HulaHoops and his merry gang of bangers.
"France's foreign affairs minister Jean-Yves LE Drian today told French citizens that they can still leave the Ukrainian capitals by land. "The routes out of Kyiv from the south are not, of course, completely safe, but there is an opportunity to leave the city," LE Drian said after a ministerial meeting on the situation in Ukraine.
LE Drian noted, however, that France will be unable to provide them with on-site assistance during the trip. He also added that French citizens can also leave Kyiv by train. France closed its airspace to Russian aircrafts on Sunday.
Ukraine's Unian news agency reported earlier on Monday that trains were still running from Kyiv's Central Station, although they were facing delays of 3-4 hours. ".
I hope best of luck to you and your friends. If you are able to leave the city, maybe one of you giving an expensive watch for the person who helped you. Along with agreed monetary compensation. Could be an appreciated gesture and a life long memorial.
From what I have been viewing, there are active saboteurs within Kiev seeking to infiltrate and assassinate local officials. According to the the Geneva Convention, these individuals could be legally shot on sight for wearing the military uniforms of their opponents. The reason for the curfew is to narrow down and find these Russian spies and provocateurs who would be wandering the streets because they have no homes to hide.
I am curious about how a group of men in their 60's could possibly think it would be safe to visit Kiev shortly before the Russians invaded, all in the search of pussy. It was almost a certainty this would happen to you yet you went anyway. Really remarkable and like other posters have commented, it's hard to feel any pity for your situation though I do hope you find a way out. Needless to say, spare no expensive in leaving. I would try to go to a border town right on the Hungarian frontier either by hiring a driver and car or take the train if still running. You could avoid, at least in part, the influx of refugees headed to Lviv and the crowds at the border. These towns are directly across from Hungary. The closest to the border will be the towns of Berehove, Mukacheve and Uzhhorod. The last town may the best place.
I hope you already know this, but a 60 km long Russian convoy is now heading from north west toward Kyiv and is about to start a major assault. This means the convoy itself is enough to encircle the city center with about 20 km diameter.
I would do everything to get out of the city before it starts. If no curfew right now, I would even consider walking out of the city possibly to south overnight, although certainly risky. Doing so is safer during daylight, but it could be too late. If you walk 10 km from the center, theoretically you'll be out of the circle. You can walk 4 km per hour. Once you are out of the city parameter, you should be much safer.
But I'm by no means an expert on this, so make your own decision.
Thank you friend it is much appreciated. The group I am travelling with, we are good friends and our goal right now is just to survive. Thank you everyone for the messages of support. The curfew in Kyiv was finally relaxed this Monday morning and it seems talks between Ukraine and Russia are ongoing, here is hoping to a quick resolution of the war.If you think of things from Putin's perspective, he's already jumped in the deep end and needs to achieve a "win" at all costs. He's already a pariah to the rest of the world, and will probably be found guilty of war crimes. That means his only future lies within Russia, and he won't even have that if he fails. His supporters might endure and forgive all the sanctions and hardships IF he reclaims all (or a substantial part) of Ukraine. If he doesn't, he's finished.
At a minimum, IMHO, Putin will do his utmost to occupy and subjugate Kyiv itself. He already has the separatist regions, and he formally recognized them before invading, so he can't claim that as a win. In order for him to be able to claim a victory to justify the invasion, and be worthy of the losses Russia has already incurred, Kyiv is the prize he'll want.
One possible alternate scenario is if sanctions are able to quickly cause some kind of economic collapse, maybe Putin will lose popular support and-or the support of the elite. But that would need to happen in the next few days, because otherwise I don't see him stopping until he takes Kyiv. And that means street-to-street fighting, bombing, and all that horrific sh*t.
I hope and pray that I'm wrong, but it's hard to come up with any other scenario that allows Putin to save face, stay in power, and keep breathing. Inside Russia he has total control, unless there's a coup. From outside Russia the sanctions and pressures will take time to have maximum effect, and Putin will resist them as if his life depends on it, because it does.
Bottom-line, if there's any way to (relatively) safely get out of Kiev to a city that isn't in the line of fire, I'd seriously be exploring that option. Again, I hope I'm wrong, and I'd certainly like to hear what others think about possible scenarios. Wishing you and your friends luck.
OK, I'll bite it. You can leave now from 7 am to 8 pm via E95 Kyiv. Vasylkiv.
NRandom940
03-01-22, 05:24
Please I admit that I made a bad decision. But as I stated before, no one thought Putin would actually invade. If Putin did not invade, we would be enjoying ourselves here. I have nothing to gain from falsifying a report, I only hope to contribute good by warning others not to come here.What are your present whereabouts and situation? How's the situation around you? Keep us updated.
Reiner Otto
03-01-22, 09:51
I would try to go to a border town right on the Hungarian frontier either by hiring a driver and car or take the train if still running. You could avoid, at least in part, the influx of refugees headed to Lviv and the crowds at the border. Another option: Border to Romania or _real_ Moldova. Not to mix up with Russian friendly PMR!
OK, I'll bite it. You can leave now from 7 am to 8 pm via E95 Kyiv. Vasylkiv.A horribly bad suggestion, as is the walking.
https://ua.interfax.com.ua/news/general/804321.html
Two people killed, three more wounded over missile attacks by Russian military in Vasylkiv. Mayor.
Bhamsookh1
03-01-22, 16:04
HulaHoops maybe this video might help you. Or least give you some inspiration.
https://youtu.be/PcOav_-kkx8That's Baldr! Unbelievable that!
Ukraine will be lost for some time now, where to go next?
So I've been going to Germany alot for sex for nearly 20 years.
I had constantly thought about visiting Ukraine / Kiev but never got around to it. Lack of all day sex clubs like they have in Germany put me off, among a few other things.
Any any update on HulaHoops and his crew? Hope they are safe.
Not much to report, some explosions in Kyiv but we are safe. Travelling to the border right now is not feasible. Russians have promised safe exit to civilians but of course one has to dodge shelling and missile fire. We are fine, staying away from angry Ukrainians and keeping our head down. No mongering to be had and it is not on our mind. Other Ukrainians are still somewhat suspicious of us. Blaming us for our countries not intervening however we are avoiding them and they have stopped attacking us. Such a shame that a country like this has become useless for mongering.
Mojo Bandit
03-03-22, 16:50
Not much to report, some explosions in Kyiv but we are safe. Travelling to the border right now is not feasible. Russians have promised safe exit to civilians but of course one has to dodge shelling and missile fire. We are fine, staying away from angry Ukrainians and keeping our head down. No mongering to be had and it is not on our mind. Other Ukrainians are still somewhat suspicious of us. Blaming us for our countries not intervening however we are avoiding them and they have stopped attacking us. Such a shame that a country like this has become useless for mongering.I hope you have a place to stay underground. They say the bombing could get really intense. Some experts think they may level the city like they did in aleppo in 2016. Did you know the actor Sean Penn went there to do a documentary on the invasion but then he decided to get the hell out of there. I think they drove as far as they could and then had to abandon their car for some reason. I cannot find a story that gives a lot of details on why he abandoned his car. Or how many miles he actually walked.
https://theprint.in/world/hollywood-star-sean-penn-leaves-ukraine-on-foot-walks-miles-to-reach-polish-border/854574/
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/sean-penn-ukraine-border-russia-b2026387.html
Not much to report, some explosions in Kyiv but we are safe. Travelling to the border right now is not feasible.HulaHoops,
Did the Ukraine guys Physically attack any of you? Or just verbal?
How is your food supply? Water?
As you are older guys, probably some on medication? Have you enough or is it in short supply?
Feel free to tell us more. Or upload a video to YouTube if you can manage. Everyone is interested is cases like yours
Stay strong.
HulaHoops,
Did the Ukraine guys Physically attack any of you? Or just verbal?
How is your food supply? Water?
As you are older guys, probably some on medication? Have you enough or is it in short supply?
Feel free to tell us more. Or upload a video to YouTube if you can manage. Everyone is interested is cases like yours
Stay strong.Yeah they physically attacked our group. It was out of anger. They blamed westerners and they blamed our countries for not defending them.
Attitudes towards westerners have really soured and become negative in Ukraine. I can see their perspective I guess, their country is being destroyed. Western countries are just watching.
I suppose they transfer that resentment towards western tourists. Eventhough we are the ones who bring money to their country. I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before.
I think Ukraine will definitely need a very long time for attitudes to relax before it is suitable for mongering again.
We have supplies and medication, we pay a local to get supplies for us.
As for the suggestion of making a Youtube video, the other members of our group will be against it. Members of our group own businesses abroad and so their faces would be recognized.
Plus people would ask why we entered the country. We can't say, "Well we came to sleep with attractive young women for cheap as we thought Putin would not invade. However the crazy lunatic did invade and now we are stuck here. The local men are angry with us because we are western and have attacked us. The women are not interested in having sex and to top it all off, we are under shelling."
It would make some great videos but our reputations would must likely suffer damage.
Not much to report, some explosions in Kyiv but we are safe. Travelling to the border right now is not feasible. Russians have promised safe exit to civilians but of course one has to dodge shelling and missile fire. We are fine, staying away from angry Ukrainians and keeping our head down. No mongering to be had and it is not on our mind. Other Ukrainians are still somewhat suspicious of us. Blaming us for our countries not intervening however we are avoiding them and they have stopped attacking us. Such a shame that a country like this has become useless for mongering.https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1499445304696913926?cxt=HHwWjICyqe3jjM8pAAAA
If that link doesn't work, check out the main Twitter feed for Kyiv Independent. Scroll down and you'll see the report.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent
Yeah they physically attacked our group. It was out of anger. They blamed westerners and they blamed our countries for not defending them.
Attitudes towards westerners have really soured and become negative in Ukraine. I can see their perspective I guess, their country is being destroyed. Western countries are just watching.
I suppose they transfer that resentment towards western tourists. Eventhough we are the ones who bring money to their country. I've never been in a place that's racist to white people before.Let Professor Mearsheimer explain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4&t=5s.
We (the West) never really truly cared about Ukraine.
Cocr Brotheler
03-03-22, 22:46
Not much to report, some explosions in Kyiv but we are safe. Travelling to the border right now is not feasible. Russians have promised safe exit to civilians but of course one has to dodge shelling and missile fire. We are fine, staying away from angry Ukrainians and keeping our head down. No mongering to be had and it is not on our mind. Other Ukrainians are still somewhat suspicious of us. Blaming us for our countries not intervening however we are avoiding them and they have stopped attacking us. Such a shame that a country like this has become useless for mongering.Dear Sir,
I don't know the situation there but if it were me and I could hire a driver I would risk getting shelled NOW before it gets worse and get the phuck out of there ASAP. What if the whole of Kiev leveled and even if underground what are your chances of survival? And if make it through all of that how would the Russians in a war zone treat anyone? Very latest in the media is Russian armor is heading towards a nuclear plant with intent to shut off the power (no electricity).
However as you mentioned you were attacked by Ukrainians and that may be the biggest risk. Also however if you knew a local guide(s) with "protection" who you could trust they could get you out by car to the border!
I wish you all the best and we all hope this can be ended peacefully soon.
And if locals ask why you there in the first place say considering retiring there due to low cost of living, culture etc. Kiev was a popular non-mongering tourist destination.
Sincerely,
David.
Axel Heyst
03-03-22, 23:15
HulaHoops, it is not my place to advise you on your best course of action IE to stay put or make a run for the border. Its probably to late to make a run. I just wish you and your buddies the best.
Dumb question, have you contacted your Embassy? I would notify them immediately if you have not done so already and let them know you are there.
Good luck and God's speed.
A. H.
HulaHoops,
Did the Ukraine guys Physically attack any of you? Or just verbal?
How is your food supply? Water?
As you are older guys, probably some on medication? Have you enough or is it in short supply?
Feel free to tell us more. Or upload a video to YouTube if you can manage. Everyone is interested is cases like yours
Stay strong.What I wouldn't give right now for a squadron of A-10's from the Idaho Air National Guard taking care of the stalled convoy. They could get the job done and be back home before dinner. Add to that a Virginia-class SSN dispatching a couple of Russian warships to the bottom of the ocean.
What I wouldn't give right now for a squadron of A-10's from the Idaho Air National Guard taking care of the stalled convoy. They could get the job done and be back home before dinner. Add to that a Virginia-class SSN dispatching a couple of Russian warships to the bottom of the ocean.What a brave country.
Lucky Nuts
03-04-22, 01:17
Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.
https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis
https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraine
Guys here are a couple very legitimate organizations taking donations and helping with the largest refugee crisis since World War II. Most guys on this website wouldn't even miss $50 or $100 and you can probably imagine how much help that can provide in eastern europe.
https://www.rescue.org/topic/ukraine-crisis
https://www.icrc.org/en/donate/ukraineCan we get some authentic Azov Battalion branded gear for our donations to support the cause?
I read that Sean Penn had been in Kiev for a while and it was reported he interviewed Pres Zelensky in his bunker. I believe he left Kiev for Lviv and decided to go west to the Polish border from there, which is 55 miles away. Some place between Lviv and the border his car broke down so he could very well had a very long trek to cross the border. Nevertheless, he should be in Poland now or somewhere else in the vicinity. I am sure his documentary will be something to see.
On another note, it's remarkable to me that Wanker, the erstwhile mongerer who with his buddies are still in Kiev, and more remarkable he still persists in discussing mongering, or in his current situation, the lack thereof.
I hope you have a place to stay underground. They say the bombing could get really intense. Some experts think they may level the city like they did in aleppo in 2016. Did you know the actor Sean Penn went there to do a documentary on the invasion but then he decided to get the hell out of there. I think they drove as far as they could and then had to abandon their car for some reason. I cannot find a story that gives a lot of details on why he abandoned his car. Or how many miles he actually walked.
https://theprint.in/world/hollywood-star-sean-penn-leaves-ukraine-on-foot-walks-miles-to-reach-polish-border/854574/
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/sean-penn-ukraine-border-russia-b2026387.html
I didn't mean to offend anyone.
As I've said before, when we came we didn't expect Putin to invade. We just assumed he was talking nonsense. Now of course that he invaded, I am the first to admit we made a terrible decision. If my reports, help others that are stuck in the country or who may have even considered coming here then at least I helped one person.
I am sure there are many people who read this thread but don't reply that had the same idea as us and may even still be in the country.
To any foreign volunteer: do not believe the Ukrainian propaganda! The military situation in Ukraine is dire, the media will have you think that Ukraine is winning. That is not the case whatsoever! Please be careful.
Mojo Bandit
03-04-22, 10:00
We have supplies and medication, we pay a local to get supplies for us.
.They are going to have a cease fire to allow civilians to evacuate. So you want to pay attention to the news if you can.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/03/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news/
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-10-ukraine-seeks-ceasefire-humanitarian-corridors-talks-with-russia-2022-03-03/
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/no-breakthrough-in-russia-ukraine-talks-but-agreement-on-humanitarian-corridors-1.10651124
To any foreign volunteer: do not believe the Ukrainian propaganda! The military situation in Ukraine is dire, the media will have you think that Ukraine is winning. That is not the case whatsoever! Please be careful.Thank you for the real reports on the ground and stay safe! The media propaganda is very hard to avoid, when they all have a obvious bias.
DramaFree11
03-04-22, 22:16
Thank you for the real reports on the ground and stay safe! The media propaganda is very hard to avoid, when they all have a obvious bias.Exactly, I did not want to say it. There is no way they can win, they never had a chance. I remember walking downtown and there was a military parade going. Both myself and my friend looked at each other and said, I hope this is not there military. Unfortunately, it was and they are getting destroyed, but as usually the media is lying, causing more unnecessary deaths.
They are going to have a cease fire to allow civilians to evacuate. So you want to pay attention to the news if you can.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/03/03/russia-ukraine-war-putin-news/
https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-10-ukraine-seeks-ceasefire-humanitarian-corridors-talks-with-russia-2022-03-03/
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/no-breakthrough-in-russia-ukraine-talks-but-agreement-on-humanitarian-corridors-1.10651124
I wouldn't necessarily count on this humanitarian corridor.
There are also some experts who are pessimistic about this. After all who can still believe what Russia promises?
Russia initially said they would not target civilians. Now a humanitarian corridor? Makes zero sense.
If this happens, that is for Russia to be able to raze the city to rubbles.
So my advise, if anything, is: be careful in what you believe under this unfortunate circumstance.
I have seen some military analysis that suggests this corridor is being proposed only to get rid the citizens who might be part of active resistance fighters. Russia does not have a good track record in allowing citizens to safely pass thru a war zone.
I wouldn't necessarily count on this humanitarian corridor.
There are also some experts who are pessimistic about this. After all who can still believe what Russia promises?
Russia initially said they would not target civilians. Now a humanitarian corridor? Makes zero sense.
If this happens, that is for Russia to be able to raze the city to rubbles.
So my advise, if anything, is: be careful in what you believe under this unfortunate circumstance.
If there would be that kind of a poll, I'd vote HulaHoops for the Person of the Year ISG-award.
Posthumous or not.
Hopefully you get a chance to get out of there. Contacting your embassies is a good idea. If even one of them have contacts to help you, maybe everyone can use the same way out.
Exactly, I did not want to say it. There is no way they can win, they never had a chance. I remember walking downtown and there was a military parade going. Both myself and my friend looked at each other and said, I hope this is not there military. Unfortunately, it was and they are getting destroyed, but as usually the media is lying, causing more unnecessary deaths.As usual you opt for conspiracy theories rather than facts, first with Covid and now the war. Conservative and liberal medias in the states and Europe have been pretty much on the same page with this one. Ukraine has put up a much better fight than expected, and Russia has been frustrated. No one has been under the illusion that Ukraine can win in the short term, militarily, is why Zelensky has begged for NATO air support. However Russia has already lost in that all but a few nations are dead set against them. That will continue to carry heavy costs. They also may not have enough soldiers to occupy and win the peace, and thus will have to deal with NATO backed insurgents for a long time to come. They could amount to more loses.
We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.
We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.Still zero pics of what's going on over their? Nothing? Hmmmmmmmmmm.
We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.If you stay in Kyiv, there's a huge downside as taking that city is Putin's #1 priority. And, if he's unable to achieve that goal, there's a high probability of increased shelling, bombing, and street-fighting. As to what the upside of staying in Kyiv is, I literally have no clue as to what that could be. Only you can answer that question for yourself.
So, which would you regret more? Leaving Kyiv and missing out on whatever you perceive the possible benefits to be of staying? Or staying and possibly (probably, IMO) finding yourself in worsening conditions and likely unable to leave.
Only you can decide but, after all you've already experienced, if you decide to stay you'll assume full ownership of any negative consequences that may befall you or those in your group.
Relocating to Poland would appear to be the safest and most prudent option, as it's a NATO member and not likely to be under threat unless there's a major escalation. Lviv would be the compromise choice but you'd need to evaluate the pros and cons of remaining in what is still technically a war zone. Yes, Lviv is currently safer than Kyiv, but that doesn't preclude a missile or bomb strike if Putin decides to flex his muscles and wants to intimidate NATO without directly striking a NATO country.
NRandom940
03-13-22, 02:15
We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.How you going to leave Kyiv?
From news reports, there were air alert sirens going off in the wee hours the last few nights. Whether those are only tests, they did not say.
As the city does not appear to be subject to bombíng or missile strikes at the current time. But I believe Putin's goal now is to level the entire country and render it unlivable, and that includes Lviv. For a foreigner to stay in Ukraine now is pointless, unless you are a journalist or a relief worker or have a death wish.
If you stay in Kyiv, there's a huge downside as taking that city is Putin's #1 priority. And, if he's unable to achieve that goal, there's a high probability of increased shelling, bombing, and street-fighting. As to what the upside of staying in Kyiv is, I literally have no clue as to what that could be. Only you can answer that question for yourself.
So, which would you regret more? Leaving Kyiv and missing out on whatever you perceive the possible benefits to be of staying? Or staying and possibly (probably, IMO) finding yourself in worsening conditions and likely unable to leave.
Only you can decide but, after all you've already experienced, if you decide to stay you'll assume full ownership of any negative consequences that may befall you or those in your group.
Relocating to Poland would appear to be the safest and most prudent option, as it's a NATO member and not likely to be under threat unless there's a major escalation. Lviv would be the compromise choice but you'd need to evaluate the pros and cons of remaining in what is still technically a war zone. Yes, Lviv is currently safer than Kyiv, but that doesn't preclude a missile or bomb strike if Putin decides to flex his muscles and wants to intimidate NATO without directly striking a NATO country.
Reports of explosions from a possible Russian missile attack. Or the explosions could have been caused by Ukrainian anti-missile defenses. Either way, it's not good news for Lviv. Details sketchy at the moment but I'm sure more info will be released soon.
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1502861153638174721?cxt=HHwWgsCylbeQntspAAAA
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1502874720752054274?cxt=HHwWhMC5hZKmpNspAAAA
Here are a couple of sources I've been following for breaking news:
https://mobile.twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1502874720752054274?cxt=HHwWhMC5hZKmpNspAAAA
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/#sort=new.
From news reports, there were air alert sirens going off in the wee hours the last few nights. Whether those are only tests, they did not say.
As the city does not appear to be subject to bombng or missile strikes at the current time. But I believe Putin's goal now is to level the entire country and render it unlivable, and that includes Lviv. For a foreigner to stay in Ukraine now is pointless, unless you are a journalist or a relief worker or have a death wish.He's the one in Kyiv, not me. But, for the record, I completely agree with you. Any non-Ukrainian who isn't actively involved in (or supporting) the defense effort is consuming resources that could be put to better use.
Whether or not the invasion eventually happens, the threat is real, and I left Ukraine 2 weeks before the US government's recommendation for a southern European country.
A regular from Kyiv is now asking me to let her join me. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with her. I don't want her to necessarily join me, but if I refuse, it'll probably be the end of our relation.
Although I left Ukraine in early January, Putin's war has been affecting me in several different ways, one of which is:
The regular I talked about above is actually a former freebee, not a pro or semi-pro, who has been married in the last few years in Kyiv. So a few days after I left Ukraine when nobody was still not really serious about the possibility of invasion, she thought I was still in Ukraine and sent me a message, saying that she was about to get divorced and asked me if I wanted to go "crazy" with her. From her recent photos, she still appears to be in mid 20's. When I was hanging with her, she thought I was about 10 years older, whereas in fact I am more than 25 years older.
I was not sure if I wanted to get entangled with your divorce; therefore, I was not sure if I wanted her to join me. But I kept in touch with her on this matter. Then I sent her a message on Valentine's Day, saying that she should leave Kyiv to the western Ukraine at least for the next few weeks. At that time she still believed that there would be no war.
The last time I heard from her on March 2, she was still in Kyiv. Now I can no longer contact her.
Reiner Otto
03-13-22, 18:26
The last time I heard from her on March 2, she was still in Kyiv. Now I can no longer contact her.She might try to go to Bulgaria, via Romania. Quite some few Ukrainians already here.
In case, Burgas (BG) the destination, I might be of help.
We are deciding whether to stay or move to Poland for a bit. At least to Lviv and then the border. What a terrible trip and idea to come.<Cough> <cough> , bullshit.
While I left Kyiv just days before the invasion (my employer pulled me out against my wishes) so don't have first had reports now, I am in daily contact with dozens of people on the ground. Things are bleak, but certain contributors are just making shit up.
Exactly, I did not want to say it. There is no way they can win, they never had a chance. I remember walking downtown and there was a military parade going. Both myself and my friend looked at each other and said, I hope this is not there military. Unfortunately, it was and they are getting destroyed, but as usually the media is lying, causing more unnecessary deaths.Hater to the depths of his soul...if he had one.
I don't know when the last time you "walked down the street" during a military parade (I am doubtful that you ever have), but the Ukrainian military has changed dramatically in the last 8 years.
I have been in Moscow during the May Day parade. They put on a good show, but it is a very thin faade.
I'm not sure what to say to those who don't believe me. If you think what I'm saying is not true, then so be it.
I have no reason to falsify my reports or mislead anyone.
Once the war is over, I hope other Travelers come to Kyiv and experience the attitude of the Ukrainians towards foreigners.
DramaFree11
03-16-22, 23:05
Hater to the depths of his soul...if he had one.
I don't know when the last time you "walked down the street" during a military parade (I am doubtful that you ever have), but the Ukrainian military has changed dramatically in the last 8 years.
I have been in Moscow during the May Day parade. They put on a good show, but it is a very thin faade.Sorry, you are wrong as usual. Lived there and done it. I left because of the corruption, somehow you guys conveniently leave this out of your reports. Kiev has not been this Paradise for a long tine and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is one of the reason Ukraine was having so many problems internationally.
I feel horrible for the people of Ukraine, not so much for there government. I have zero compassion for those returning to flight a loosening battle. Many of those left years ago because of corruption and better opportunities. They choose not to flight then to save there country, maybe they should have fought to save there country then. Ukraine was screwed either way, horrible situation. There will be no winners, maybe China.
Putin is definitely to blame, but everyone is mishandling this including America and Europe. The clown running Ukraine is also making everything worse, there will be nothing less. In war a tie is not a win.
Sorry, you are wrong as usual. Lived there and done it. I left because of the corruption, somehow you guys conveniently leave this out of your reports. Kiev has not been this Paradise for a long tine and one of the most corrupt countries in the world. This is one of the reason Ukraine was having so many problems internationally.
I feel horrible for the people of Ukraine, not so much for there government. I have zero compassion for those returning to flight a loosening battle. Many of those left years ago because of corruption and better opportunities. They choose not to flight then to save there country, maybe they should have fought to save there country then. Ukraine was screwed either way, horrible situation. There will be no winners, maybe China.
Putin is definitely to blame, but everyone is mishandling this including America and Europe. The clown running Ukraine is also making everything worse, there will be nothing less. In war a tie is not a win.You left because some working girl made you her ***** and you can't let it go.
No one is saying Ukraine is a paradise. Monger paradises don't exist anymore.
DramaFree11
03-17-22, 01:12
You left because some working girl made you her ***** and you can't let it go.
No one is saying Ukraine is a paradise. Monger paradises don't exist anymore.Paradise does exist. I left to go to Moscow that was an amazing experience, at that tine it was pretty close to paradise. No now.
When you an others do not give accurate reports, you are doing a disservice to others. I got sick watching people getting screwed over. You know this as well as I do.
Obviously, you do not read some of your role models reports, they were claiming it was paradise even up until the end.
Paradise does exist. I left to go to Moscow that was an amazing experience, at that tine it was pretty close to paradise. No now.
When you an others do not give accurate reports, you are doing a disservice to others. I got sick watching people getting screwed over. You know this as well as I do.
Obviously, you do not read some of your role models reports, they were claiming it was paradise even up until the end.My role model?
I also enjoy Moscow. At least I did 5-7 years ago. But it is far from paradise. I can't imagine Moscow is improving.
Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.
Who knows what the future will hold. What we know for sure is that Ukraine will be a very different place when this is over.And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.
And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.Perhaps we will be able to get sex in Russia for a pair of jeans again.
DramaFree11
03-17-22, 17:25
And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.The entire world will change as the result of this. First Covid, now this ridiculous war, nobody wins.
PokerLover11
03-17-22, 19:41
And when the full force and effect of crippling sanctions take grip upon the Russian people and their economy, so too shall Russia be a very different place.Russia supplies the world with fertilizer for their crops they have sanctioned the US to not receive any until at least after December, the only thing that is crippling is this administration.
Has also been saying the Ukrainians now hate foreigners. That is a grave concern, if we ever return.
Even during the pandemic I started feeling that people have not been as friendly as they were before the pandemic in this provincial city I was living in, which has been bombarded by now.Ukrainians are under attack and, while the primary object of hate is Putin (plus all his supporters and enablers), it's not surprising that they might feel varying levels of anger at those countries they think could and should be doing more to help.
The "No Fly Zone" is probably the best current example. It's perfectly rational and reasonable for NATO countries to point out how the imposition of a NFZ would escalate the situation and likely make things worse. But Ukrainians who've lost loved ones and seen their towns and cities reduced to rubble aren't feeling particularly reasonable, and their responses are (understandably) coming from an emotional place, not a rational one.
Such strength of feeling is likely to last a long time for many, perhaps even generations. While there will certainly be individual, and perhaps regional, variations, it's my guess the level of anger against non-aggressors will be highest against the stronger NATO countries, such as the US, UK, Germany, etc. That's simply a function of the fact that they have more power to help and, in the minds of many (most?) Ukrainians, have failed to do so or failed to do enough.
It's impossible to predict the future, and much depends on how long the war continues, and how it ends, but the country and its people have already been permanently scarred. Which means that it will be prudent for anyone visiting Ukraine to take that into account.
I'm not a fraud. I had nothing remarkable to post or report, I simply read posts and visited different places. I am sure they are plenty of other lurkers in the forum.
We came here as we knew that foreigners were leaving Ukraine. We also assumed that it would be easier to meet women. We didn't expect Putin to invade and I don't think anyone thought he would actually go through with it.
Again, if you don't believe me that's up to you. I have no motivation to mislead or lie to others. We were assaulted. Now will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get assaulted? Of course not.
However from what I have observed, there is more of a negative attitude towards obvious foreigners here.
Everything I am posting is just my opinion from what me and my group have experienced. I am not writing this as some authority. I am just a single monger. If someone else comes to Ukraine and doesn't agree with what I posted, that's fine. There's no argument, it is just two different sides. The more information on a place, the better in my opinion.
When the war finishes and other mongers come to Ukraine. I hope they will contribute and write about their experiences on the attitudes of Ukrainians towards foreigners.
As for me being a sleeper account created by Russian trolls. OK. As I have stated repeatedly, if you don't believe me that's fine. I have no reason to lie or mislead anyone.
Last time in Ukraine for me was 2013. Already there were some bad signs. On the girl front, there were lip and boob implants, or whatever they are, botux, and changed attitude from visits going back a decade. I can't be the only one who noticed this. On the same summer trip, I went down to Odessa, and it happened to be on Ukraine Independence Day. On the edge of a big Park, there was a parade, actually it was a procession of military vehicles -- tanks and various types of similar. They went around in front of the crowd, then back behind a big central building, and came around again over and over. Maybe 20 vehicles, but it created the illusion it was an entire army. The crowd was enthusiastic, especially the kids. When it was over, the vehicles stopped, the troops got out and let the kids in -- into the tanks, into everything. They couldn't be held back and wanted to touch everything. Can't blame them, might have done the same thing at that age if given the chance, only the chance wasn't there. I watched these kids and thought what are they thinking letting them inside tanks and holding the guns like that. Well, here it is ten years' later and they get to play for real.
I noticed that Escort. VC has been back up since March 23 when they updated the "News" section.
You will also see that many of the girls are now working at other European countries under Escort. VC banner.
One even moved to Thailand and another to Crimea.
Lucky Nuts
04-03-22, 16:00
I noticed that Escort. VC has been back up since March 23 when they updated the "News" section.
You will also see that many of the girls are now working at other European countries under Escort. VC banner.
One even moved to Thailand and another to Crimea.I don't recall looking at this website before today. But I see the prices are $200 to $250 per hour. Wow that's expensive!
Hrchrister
04-09-22, 15:29
I don't recall looking at this website before today. But I see the prices are $200 to $250 per hour. Wow that's expensive!Don't use escort. Vc. Ridicolus expencive, they are exploiting tourists and so on. You can easily find the same quality for less money if you interact on the streets, use social medias etc.
I'm not a fraud. I had nothing remarkable to post or report, I simply read posts and visited different places. I am sure they are plenty of other lurkers in the forum.
We came here as we knew that foreigners were leaving Ukraine. We also assumed that it would be easier to meet women. We didn't expect Putin to invade and I don't think anyone thought he would actually go through with it.
Again, if you don't believe me that's up to you. I have no motivation to mislead or lie to others. We were assaulted. Now will every foreigner that comes to Ukraine get assaulted? Of course not.
However from what I have observed, there is more of a negative attitude towards obvious foreigners here.
Everything I am posting is just my opinion from what me and my group have experienced. I am not writing this as some authority. I am just a single monger. If someone else comes to Ukraine and doesn't agree with what I posted, that's fine. There's no argument, it is just two different sides. The more information on a place, the better in my opinion.
When the war finishes and other mongers come to Ukraine. I hope they will contribute and write about their experiences on the attitudes of Ukrainians towards foreigners..Where's the pics you promised bud? Or is their no internet in the bomb shelter? Must be that.
I have misgivings about posting this, because it's hearsay, but I've been reading reports in other forums about hostile attitudes towards foreigners in Kyiv recently, worse in April than in March. Confirms what Hulahoops reports. Some of these people reporting hostility never left Kyiv, others recently returned to check on their apartments. Other reports say attitudes same as ever. Something to think about. If you have a particular girl you want to see, my advice is go to Chisinau, Moldova and have her take the bus there, versus you taking the bus to Kyiv. That's my plan for this summer.
I'm in Berlin now and I was able to reflect on my time in Kyiv.
There really was no hostility, people were just scared and unsure what was going to happen if I am honest. They were just a lot of scared people. Of course during war, the native population is more important than foreigners. I stayed in touch with a lot of the men and women I met during my time in Kyiv and they are really looking forward and inviting me to come back when the war is over.
Now with seeing all that the west has done to help Ukraine and punish Russia. I would say Ukrainian people are looking forward to the war being over and foreigners coming to visit and help out Ukraine. Once the war is over, Ukraine will be one of the best places to visit for foreigners and I am sure everything will be cheap.
Ukraine after the war, will be a very attractive destination for tourists as I am sure it will be cheap and they will be extremely welcoming to western visitors who take an interest in their country.
In fact I would say that once the war is over, westerners are going to be extremely highly valued in comparison to the local men.
As a man in my 60's, all the women I met (a lot of these women are in their 20's) and know from before are hounding me to let them know when I am arriving back in Kyiv. There was never this much interest in me before the war. I know once I go back to Kyiv when the war is over, it'll be a very enjoyable time for me.
In fact I would say that once the war is over, westerners are going to be extremely highly valued in comparison to the local men.
As a man in my 60's, all the women I met (a lot of these women are in their 20's) and know from before are hounding me to let them know when I am arriving back in Kyiv. There was never this much interest in me before the war. I know once I go back to Kyiv when the war is over, it'll be a very enjoyable time for me.It's my sense that countries and their citizens are likely be viewed more or less favorably according to the level of support they provided Ukraine during the war. At the top of the favorability rankings will be those who "punched above their weight" and truly went above and beyond. That would include countries such as Poland, the Baltics, Czechia, Slovakia, etc. Lower down in the favorability rankings will be countries that provided significant (even essential) support yet, because they are large and rich nations, many will say they've only done what what was reasonable and expected, while others will fault them for not having done more (or done it sooner). Countries on that list would probably include the US, the UK, France, etc.
Consider that, in the minds of many, Ukraine is fighting against Putin on behalf of the West, and especially on behalf of Europe. I'm sure there will be a generally grateful attitude, but I don't think Ukraine will view Western weapons or aid as charity. Rather, and rightfully so (IMO), they'll see it as the price that had to be paid to fight Russian aggression. And they'll point out that Russia's threats against Moldova, the Baltics, the Nordics, and elsewhere, are evidence that Putin was never going to be satisfied with Ukraine only. Zelensky has been making this point on a regular basis and I expect he'll keep doing so.
One final group will be countries and their citizens viewed least favorably, and perhaps even with anger and overt hostility. Those will be countries viewed as either barely lifting a finger to help, being indifferent to Ukraine's fate, or perhaps even being actively sympathetic to Putin. That list will likely include countries like Serbia, Hungary, and Germany (within Europe) and countries like China (outside of Europe).
Obviously there will be different feelings depending on the individual, the region or city, and even those could change over time. My only point is that these are considerations that could realistically come into play and that anyone planning a post-war visit would be prudent to keep them in mind.
Ukraine after the war, will be a very attractive destination for tourists as I am sure it will be cheap and they will be extremely welcoming to western visitors who take an interest in their country.I disagree. Foreigners will be perceived as exploiters and the root cause of this mess.
Guys,
You have to really question your source of news! On another forum that I am part of. I spoke to a member who was sharing negative news on Ukraine, he confessed that he was posting bad news ago Ukraine so that "he could discourage other foreigners from going to the country and he could have the best choice of women at the best price when he visited the country."
Anyone can see that prices are going to very cheap after the war and that women will be looking for men to provide for them. The demand for men with money to spend is going to be extremely high. Just watch out for people spreading bad news about why one shouldn't visit Ukraine.
Do you really think Ukrainian women will hate foreigners coming to their country after war? Of course not. They will look forward to it, especially those coming to spend money.
I was in Kiev during Christmas time for two weeks. I swiped over 500 girls on Mamba before arriving in Kiev and had telegram / WhatsApp contacts of about 20 girls before landing. I asked one of the girls to come to my Airbnb as soon as I arrived and she showed up. She (21 yo) spent the night at my apartment and I fucked her 4 times with Condom- damage 4000 UAH. The service was excellent and the girl was extremely beautiful. NExt day, I contacted other girls in my arsenal and she stayed with me for two days. She offered BBFS for 6000 UAH (2 days and nights) - she was 19 and was enjoying the sex. After that I was contacted by another girl on mamba and she didn't ask for money. She stayed with me 2 days, was 18 yo and a complete nymphomaniac- again BBFS. Fucked her brains out. Similarly, I was able to get stunner, young girls for the rest of my stay.
Takeaways-.
- invest time on mamba.
- don't offer more than 4000 UAH per day. If they ask for more, move on.
- if you keep your filter for 18-22 yo, you will find them.
- don't offer dinner or other means of entertainment before sex. [Deleted by Admin]
PM me for contacts. Some of the girls are willing to travel to Krakow or Warsaw for 2-3 days period.
Obviously there will be different feelings depending on the individual, the region or city, and even those could change over time. My only point is that these are considerations that could realistically come into play and that anyone planning a post-war visit would be prudent to keep them in mind.I think a lot depends on what a post-war Ukraine looks like. It depends on whether the West embarks on a Marshall Plan type rebuilding of the Ukraine. This will take some time.
Ukrainians who lost loved ones can never rebuild their lives back the same.
I wouldn't expect to be greeted with cheering and flowers the day after the resolution of the conflict.
DramaFree11
04-25-22, 17:36
Ukraine after the war, will be a very attractive destination for tourists as I am sure it will be cheap and they will be extremely welcoming to western visitors who take an interest in their country.This is crazy. First, many people will never return to Ukraine. The beautiful, hard working, and smart will never go back. They had been fleeing the country for 8-12 years, maybe longer, why would they suddenly return to nothing.
They have trying to go to Europe for years, now they have there chance. Most will not want to go to the states, they know that Europe is better life and you have to work your ass off in the states.
Even when I was there 8 years ago the attitude to foreigners had changed.
Guys,
You have to really question your source of news! On another forum that I am part of. I spoke to a member who was sharing negative news on Ukraine, he confessed that he was posting bad news ago Ukraine so that "he could discourage other foreigners from going to the country and he could have the best choice of women at the best price when he visited the country."
Anyone can see that prices are going to very cheap after the war and that women will be looking for men to provide for them. The demand for men with money to spend is going to be extremely high. Just watch out for people spreading bad news about why one shouldn't visit Ukraine.
Do you really think Ukrainian women will hate foreigners coming to their country after war? Of course not. They will look forward to it, especially those coming to spend money."It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future."
Unless they have a crystal ball, today's news sources are irrelevant. Over the coming months and years I'm sure some will paint a rosy picture while others will dwell on the doom-and-gloom side of things. And both sides will probably be equally guilty of overgeneralizations and confirmation bias.
I sincerely doubt there's anyone around with significant experience mongering in the immediate aftermath of a brutalizing war. If anyone thinks the post-war period isn't going to be chaotic and emotionally charged, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. It's my assertion that there will be a variety of women's attitudes toward foreigners, depending on that foreigner's nationality (and the perception of helpfulness vs unhelpfulness toward Ukraine) and depending on that woman's personal experiences.
A woman who lost family members, for example, is going to feel a lot of anger and hatred toward Russia and anyone she blames for enabling the war. Will she need money? Absolutely! But, for a monger from a hated country, she might be willing to do some truly nasty shit and justify it by saying they deserved it. I don't specifically know about past episodes in Ukraine of mongers being robbed, drugged, roughed up, or even killed, but it wouldn't surprise me to see a post-war increase in such incidents.
Again, I don't have a crystal ball, and I'm not offering predictions, just raising a cautionary note. But I am highly skeptical of anyone who thinks, with respect to the post-war environment in Ukraine, that they've got it all figured out. All I know is that, if I was visiting from Belgrade, Budapest, or Berlin, I certainly wouldn't be advertising that fact. Of course, if the hotel staff or Airbnb host have access to that info, that makes keeping it a secret a bit more problematic.
Nothing bad is going to happen to foreigners, come on guys. During the war nothing bad happened to foreigners, why do people think anything bad will happen after the war.
There is a lot of foreigners that have confessed to spreading negative news about Ukraine, the reason they do is so that they can come to Ukraine and have no competition for women from other foreigners. Ukraine out of all the countries in eastern Europe has a large amount of beautiful women and they love foreign guys, a lot of guys are trying to discourage others from going there.
I was in Kiev during Christmas time for two weeks. I swiped over 500 girls on Mamba before arriving in Kiev and had telegram / WhatsApp contacts of about 20 girls before landing.December 2021, for far too many Ukrainians, is another world and (quite literally) a lifetime ago.
https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/ukrainian-woman-accused-sex-working-23650449
After the war, many women will be very interested in finding foreigners. That's all I am trying to say.
I am speaking to many Ukrainian women now and they are very interested in when I am coming back, more interested now in me than before the war.
As long as you are not Russian, you will be welcomed.
Karlgnter2
04-26-22, 06:46
How is the situation in Kiev? Is it open to tourism? And are the escorts Bookable?
Reading and watching various sources, it's reasonable to predict that Turkish Mongers are going to have a great time in Kiev when the conflict ends, in appreciation to the role played by Turkish Drones, cheap and effective.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qUsPCFV28
HessenStud
04-26-22, 16:27
I'm a guy with colored skin. I also thought like you before. But I tried to contact some girls in Ukraine with VK. As long as I talk with them something intimate, they will put me to blacklist immediately. All I can say is: Glory to Ukraine. Your kindness or willingness to help the poor single girls will be treated as employing their difficult situation.
HessenStud
04-26-22, 16:43
I was in Kiev during Christmas time for two weeks. I swiped over 500 girls on Mamba before arriving in Kiev and had telegram / WhatsApp contacts of about 20 girls before landing. I asked one of the girls to come to my Airbnb as soon as I arrived and she showed up. She (21 yo) spent the night at my apartment and I fucked her 4 times with Condom- damage 4000 UAH. The service was excellent and the girl was extremely beautiful. NExt day, I contacted other girls in my arsenal and she stayed with me for two days. She offered BBFS for 6000 UAH (2 days and nights) - she was 19 and was enjoying the sex. After that I was contacted by another girl on mamba and she didn't ask for money. She stayed with me 2 days, was 18 yo and a complete nymphomaniac- again BBFS. Fucked her brains out. Similarly, I was able to get stunner, young girls for the rest of my stay.Are you a very handsome guy in photos? Or did you use a fake photo, no offending? I used VK with the same strategy, I got zero reply. But I have to admit, my skin has color.
Reading and watching various sources, it's reasonable to predict that Turkish Mongers are going to have a great time in Kiev when the conflict ends, in appreciation to the role played by Turkish Drones, cheap and effective.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S4qUsPCFV28Pre landing in post war Kiev still needs planning ahead even for would be Turkish Mmngers.
1 Starting on Mamba with a Turkish sounding handle "Bayraktar" .
2 Once on the ground in Kiev, Sweeten your way around with boxes of https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-x1SAeHXgw.
3 € and US $ Will still do the talking in post war Kiev.
I'm a guy with colored skin. I also thought like you before. But I tried to contact some girls in Ukraine with VK. As long as I talk with them something intimate, they will put me to blacklist immediately. All I can say is: Glory to Ukraine. Your kindness or willingness to help the poor single girls will be treated as employing their difficult situation.Different girls have different choices. Its a spray and pray strategy. The more you reach out to the more likelihood of connecting. Loads of Ukrainian girls holiday in middle east and some work there as sex workers- therefore, there is some affinity to brown guys. There are plenty, who are racists. Less girls prefer colored men though. Some girls want quick fuck and they will talk to you only if they see you in Kiev. I don't talk intimate on the chats- straight to business- mamba to telegram and then "meet for financial assistance" offer on TG. Most who agree to come on TG are willing and will ask for size of prize and that's when you can make an offer. If you like anal, you need to ask upfront but normal sex, BBBJ and DFK is given as Ukrainian normal / semi-pro girls enjoy sex equally. I normally don't ask about sex with condom or not as I need to look at the girl in person to evaluate if I'm going to go BBFS, otherwise the base option is with condom for me.
Are you a very handsome guy in photos? Or did you use a fake photo, no offending? I used VK with the same strategy, I got zero reply. But I have to admit, my skin has color.Use your own photos. Most will ask you to share some additional pictures on telegram before they actually come to meet you and most of them have had bad experiences with fake photos.
Kiev. A pity!
I will make no political issues, but it's a real pity.
I still remember how I fucked in Kiev! OMG.
The scene had already worsened few years ago when they raided and closed the River Palace, a sort of Disneyland for adults, full of girls willing to fuck!
How I remember Inga. A student striving for a cum load in some of my best photos. Not a beauty, but definitely what you need in bed! Really a cum dump, a vacuum sucker and an anal queen! Some of my best pics, cuffed to bed, waiter costume and fed with newly brewed still warm nut juice!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1080-Anal-Connoisseurs/page102
Here in an anal dilatation session!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1080-Anal-Connoisseurs&p=765579&viewfull=1#post765579.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=88236&d=1200665732
Here Inga in one of my best pics ever. Yesss you imagine right on what is in the tea spoon!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85231&d=1197401121
Ohhh Uliana, a blonde stallion, 180 more or less 70 kg, riding so hard that she was leaving blue marks on my body, she was riding so on both holes! But no dick sucking!
Funny, a part some dinner and some presents she was for free.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=688286&viewfull=1#post688286.
Katya, a former porn star, a beauty, soft and voluptuous, but a log in bed, a pity!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=905254&viewfull=1#post905254.
Katya and Nastya, may be not beauties, but Nastya (the big one) was riding like hell, and Katya was swallowing mouthfuls of my nut juice! Mmm.
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=905254&viewfull=1#post905254.
Ira, or as I called Ivol. Pale, skinny, pink: perfumed and tasty!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=688233&viewfull=1#post688233.
Other great fucks. The girl covering the face is Viola, form Gia agency, young and horny, drilled by tens of ISG members, a pity for the face acne she had. The petite supertitted one is Ekaterina. A small compact, soft fucking machine: natural born threeholer (pic 1, 2 and 5)! Tit fuck was superlative. A full the size on a petite around 155 cm!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=514037&viewfull=1#post514037.
And here the Star from Kiev. Mystery Tramp aka Alesia.
She was a regular to River Palace, despite she was not a beauty when she arrived men was like bees on flowers! She was hired in just some minutes! A bed animal!
Skinny, tanned, almost no tits, unshaved, but what a fucking machine!
Almost 50 known members of ISG fucked her (at the time we made a search! Wonderful tight three holes, injected cum in her throat! Here some pics from a session where she was wearing a waiter costume and was properly hand cuffed to the bed! The fun was that in most long sessions she was getting real pleasure! Moaning and having real orgasms!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1616-Photo-Gallery&p=682783&viewfull=1#post682783.
Here the infamous ID photo of Mystery Tramp. Swollen and wet pussy! OMG What a session!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=17395&d=1103110694
A couple of years later she was naked, cuffed and glazed! What a fight to make her swallow the loads!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=85604&d=1197886586
Now even Moscow is a difficult place to go to. I lost there my historic anal queen: Valentina!
It's hard to find a girl looking so after you have pumped her sphincter all the night!
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=51573&d=1156685993
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?1080-Anal-Connoisseurs&p=771163&viewfull=1#post771163.
I still remember I did her and her sister. Wonderful! Doing sisters is the top!
In Moscow, unfortunately I lost also my new threeholer queen. A pity!
From my post.
"A big part is in your brain, it's not a matter of dick pleasure. Just some time ago I spent some time (4 days) with Nastya. (in the picture). Pale, 18,158 cm, 48 kgs, A+ cups, a pity not so pink between the legs, but when you take her really rough in missionary anal, and looking her face, when your tongue get at the end of the eyebrow, and in a couple of centimeters you feel a salty tear. Mmm you will pump the brain out of her. ".
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=291583&d=1550568592
I still remember that the poor girl for four mornings got an IT wake up. Ie immediate hard anal!
Just my memories. In Kiev!
IT.
Just my memories. In Kiev!I remember those photos of all of your butt fucked Slav girl tutes IT. Ah, the way we cornholers were! Thanks for the memories!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifWOSnoCS0M
Are you a very handsome guy in photos? Or did you use a fake photo, no offending? I used VK with the same strategy, I got zero reply. But I have to admit, my skin has color.Of course, it wasn't impossible to meet girls in Kyiv who are willing to do a lot for (relatively) little money. Before and after Christmas was low season for the sex business. There were definitely a few girls who needed money. Otherwise, prices in Ukraine were already much higher in 2021/22. Especially in summer. Even in a normal job you could earn good money. The number of girls in the sex business (and the quality of looks) was already worse than it was a few years ago.
Unfortunately, I have to warn against such postings. A new member and then reports that contradict the reports of other members. In addition, the offer to bring girls to Poland or to initiate contacts in this direction.
The journey from Kyiv to Poland and back is very tiring. I did this myself just two weeks ago. And with almost zero waiting time at the border (1 hour). Here you should calculate (return) about 40 hours of time. Will a girl be willing to do this weekend trip for $200-300? I also have contact with girls that I have known for a long time. The fear of such a trip is greater than a possible hail of bombs in Kyiv. Especially since there is a lot of reporting in the Ukrainian media of pimps and rapes after crossing the border.
The next step will probably be sharing contact information via Telegram (etc.). And when contacting the girls, they ask for money for the trip. In advance of course. However, the girl will never arrive in Poland. Especially in times of war there is no way to get the authorities involved and report a criminal incident.
I don't talk intimate on the chats- straight to business- mamba to telegram and then "meet for financial assistance" offer on TG.Did you have some text on your Mamba profile?
There's a very high demand for foreign guys from the women in Ukraine. My hope is for the war to finish in early May and then travel there almost immediately to comfort my many honeys that are waiting for me to return. Of course after a such a turbulent time, the women need and are looking for comforting.
There's a very high demand for foreign guys from the women in Ukraine. My hope is for the war to finish in early May and then travel there almost immediately to comfort my many honeys that are waiting for me to return. Of course after a such a turbulent time, the women need and are looking for comforting.War can last months or years.
Lot of pretty girls will prefer remain in safe Europe than come back country in ruins.
Lot of stingers and Kalashnikov in who knows what hands, will be dangerous country.
I wish I'm totally wrong and we can enjoy Kiev again ASAP.
Anybody notice a massive increase in webcam girls supposedly hailing from Ukraine? I'm not into that kind of thing, but I've noticed the increase. Do you guys think it's legit, or do you think it's a lot of girls trying to take advantage of a situation? You know, maybe trying to get more money due to a kind of "sympathy vote"? I mean, these tutes lie like hell about where they're from even in good times! Besides, if you're a refugee with nowhere to go, how are you able to be showing your ass on a webcam? Then again, maybe it's not all refugees, but girls still living in Ukraine. After all, the whole country isn't under constant attack. Who knows the truth? All I know is that there are likely to be far, far more Ukrainian girls turning to prostitution in the west! Let alone the webcam stuff.
I remember those photos of all of your butt fucked Slav girl tutes IT. Ah, the way we cornholers were! Thanks for the memories!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifWOSnoCS0MYep I remember the River Palace. Wow! 100/200 girls ready for anything. And the infamous Mystery Tramp (the state of art of making sex). And even the more infamous (extra skinny, almost anorexic, but drinking like a Russian sailor) Lolita... sucking like a vacuum cleaner: extracting every single drop of cum! OMG! OMG!
IT.
Did you have some text on your Mamba profile?No, I don't post any text on mamba. Your target crowd doesn't care about the text anyways. They do care about pictures, somewhat.
War should hopefully be over in a few weeks. Kiev will be twice as good as it was before, foreign money with money to spend will be able to fully enjoy ourselves. Every day I hope I will read "War in Ukraine is over."
AnarchySon
04-29-22, 17:53
Hi fellow comrades,
I'm new in the forum and I'm looking for some help with finding contacts of Ukrainian girls who might be in Poland now.
Must surely some of you know girls that had to go to Warsaw or Krakow because of the "special operation". I'll be visiting the country sometime next week and some help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advanced.
To all the men thinking of coming to Ukraine for easy pussy, my answer quickly: Not worth it whatsoever. If I had known the situation was like this, I would honestly have never come. People are actually dying here, in Kiev because of Russian shelling. There is an actual threat to life. Coming here for pussy, is not worth it.
Summary:
We came as a group of about 5 of us. We are all over 60 and some in the group have actual military experience. We thought Putin was just posturing and that there was no chance in hell, he would actually send troops / tanks in.
We were completely wrong. We are in Kiev right now and they are tanks. Kiev and Kharkov are both surrounded by Russian soldiers and are under heavy shelling.
People on this board / the average newsreader doesn't understand how bad the situation is right now. For once, I would say the American media is downplaying how bad the situation in Kiev is. Electricity is sporadic. Internet is sporadic. Right now I am posting through a VPN. Getting access to food is becoming harder and harder. There is no one outside in the streets. Shops are closed, of course the shops are closed. All the shop owners are in the bomb shelter. Everyone is either in the bomb shelter or cowering at home. The streets are empty apart from soldiers. A few days ago, Russian soldiers wearing Ukrainian clothes were found and executed. They are plenty more like that. I am sure you have seen the video of a Russian tank running over a man who is in a car. That is just the tip of the iceberg, there are more atrocities being committed that are not recorded..So, you and your group predicted Putin wouldn't invade (big oops)! And you posted at length about your horrific experiences. Yet now you feel confident in predicting a rosy post-war scenario? Am I missing something here?
All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.
It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.
Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.
I mentioned Chisinau twice in this forum, but upon further investigation, Chisinau is not good for girls from Kyiv or central Ukraine because Transdniestria has blocked borders. My new plan is fly to Romania in June, then take the bus to either northeast Romania, maybe continuing on to Chernivitsi or Vinnytsia or even Kyiv in Ukraine, depending on the situation.
Reiner Otto
04-30-22, 17:22
I mentioned Chisinau twice in this forum, but upon further investigation, Chisinau is not good for girls from Kyiv or central Ukraine because Transdniestria has blocked borders. You can enter MD via Odessa, not crossing PMR.
I have always loved and visited Ukraine, Lviv, Kyiv and all the major cities. I am a man in my 60's, I have travelled all over Eastern Europe. If you name a country in Eastern Europe I have been there and most likely spent a few months living there. I enjoy looking for the best places to monger and find semi / non-pros. Ukraine has always been my crown jewel and a hidden gem for me.
Out of all the countries and cities I have visited in Europe in terms of friendliness and receptive women, the best is hands-down Ukraine. In terms of the most attractive women, most friendly, cheapest, lowest amount of gold-diggers and most open to relationships with men of my age. Ukraine is the country me and my friends had the most fun and had the best reception from the women. If you will speak to most women in Ukraine, you will hear from quite a few of them that their parents relationships had an age-gap so I guess that's why there's not that much of a negative stereotype. In Ukraine, it was easiest for us to arrange mutually beneficial with women and very rare for us to get negative reactions. At least compared to the western sex prison countries that some of us come from.
In Ukraine, you have the benefit of English speakers, a large amount of women so they don't have that small town mentality where they are scared of being seen with a foreigner. Now with the war hopefully coming to an end, there's going to be a large drop in the price of money demanded by women. They will be happy to get whatever they can, even if you use an online dating app you will see that women are very eager to meet foreign men. May / June I aim to be in Kyiv or Lviv.
All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.
It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.
Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.In the way that panic is at one end of the emotional pendulum, excessive optimism is at the other. To my mind, statements and predictions made at either extreme are problematic.
So, while I certainly hope that your rosy post-war mongering scenario comes to pass, I'm cognizant of many negative factors that could very well present themselves. And I'm also aware of the fact that there are many variables and circumstances we simply don't know about yet, and can't readily predict.
So I guess the short version of what I'm saying is "hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. " Your posts, however, seem to be implying that there will be no "worst," and no potential negatives at all. I'm not sure that will prove to be accurate and I'd take predictions of an unqualified positive mongering environment with a grain of salt.
I have always loved and visited Ukraine, Lviv, Kyiv and all the major cities. I am a man in my 60's, I have travelled all over Eastern Europe. If you name a country in Eastern Europe I have been there and most likely spent a few months living there. I enjoy looking for the best places to monger and find semi / non-pros. Ukraine has always been my crown jewel and a hidden gem for me.
Out of all the countries and cities I have visited in Europe in terms of friendliness and receptive women, the best is hands-down Ukraine. In terms of the most attractive women, most friendly, cheapest, lowest amount of gold-diggers and most open to relationships with men of my age. Ukraine is the country me and my friends had the most fun and had the best reception from the women. If you will speak to most women in Ukraine, you will hear from quite a few of them that their parents relationships had an age-gap so I guess that's why there's not that much of a negative stereotype. In Ukraine, it was easiest for us to arrange mutually beneficial with women and very rare for us to get negative reactions. At least compared to the western sex prison countries that some of us come from.
In Ukraine, you have the benefit of English speakers, a large amount of women so they don't have that small town mentality where they are scared of being seen with a foreigner. Now with the war hopefully coming to an end, there's going to be a large drop in the price of money demanded by women. They will be happy to get whatever they can, even if you use an online dating app you will see that women are very eager to meet foreign men. May / June I aim to be in Kyiv or Lviv.You think the war will be over then? Like you thought Russia would not invade?
All my old posts were made in a state of panic and wondering if I would be stuck and unable to leave an active warzone.
It wasn't that bad and it's definitely improved now. Right now, western Ukraine is pretty peaceful.
Of course, it will be extremely silly to go to Ukraine now. But as soon as the war stop, it's going to be one of the best places on earth. Women that are friendly and seeking comfort, very very open to meeting new guys.It won't be that easy. I don't think that the prices will go down extremely and that masses of willing girls will be available again. It's war at the moment. All the girls who are still in Ukraine have a lack of money. After the war, exactly the opposite will happen. Then greed takes over again.
It is now easier to go to Western Europe. There you can get a legal residence permit. Many girls have already used this. Not much will change immediately after the war. Ukrainians have always had a keen sense of where money can be made.
Why should girls fuck in Kyiv for $50 or $100 after the war? There is an opportunity to go to other countries. Where prostitution is legal. And you can make a lot more money with the job than for cheap prices in Kyiv. The not-so-beautiful women then stay in Ukraine. The beautiful or clever women go abroad, buy an apartment in Ukraine and come back only for vacation. But not to fuck 60+ men for cheap.
In western Ukraine in particular, the opposite is already noticeable. Fucking for food or to pay the rent? There's no reason for that anymore. Food is free everywhere. If you have absolutely nothing, you can go abroad. Female students too. Because unlike in the Ukraine, you can study for free in western Europe in many countries. In Germany there is even money for living expenses from the state.
A single woman with a child in Kyiv and without a job was driven into prostitution by the lack of money. Now this woman can live the train or bus to Germany. There is a free apartment, money for furnishing the apartment, free health insurance and at least 600 euros for living expenses. A value of at least 1200 or 1400 euros per month. All without prostituting yourself for it. Everything legal. Which wasn't the case before. Which path will many of these women choose? Fucking in Ukraine for a living or all for free in western Europe?
"While I certainly hope that your rosy post-war mongering scenario comes to pass, I'm cognizant of many negative factors that could very well present themselves. And I'm also aware of the fact that there are many variables and circumstances we simply don't know about yet, and can't readily predict."
Many Factors will surface in the post _war situation in Ukraine and Kiev in particular. "Because, as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know."
It's not as easy to leave Ukraine and go to western Europe as it seems.
I am speaking to lots of women that left Ukraine and for those that did not know anyone in the western country, many of them are just waiting for the war to be over so they can go back to Ukraine. A lot of women I am speaking, are being forced to work and clean and are basically at the whims of the people they are staying with.
Not to mention those that can't speak English are in terrible positions in western countries. The media will always portray the best stories or the worst stories. Never the middle ground of the family that took in a refugee and has maid the refugee do all the housework like a maid.
Anyway we will just have to see what happens in the Ukraine when the war finishes and foreigners arrive.
I do still believe it will be a feast for men.
HessenStud
05-01-22, 19:16
A single woman with a child in Kyiv and without a job was driven into prostitution by the lack of money. Now this woman can live the train or bus to Germany. There is a free apartment, money for furnishing the apartment, free health insurance and at least 600 euros for living expenses. A value of at least 1200 or 1400 euros per month. All without prostituting yourself for it. Everything legal. Which wasn't the case before. Which path will many of these women choose? Fucking in Ukraine for a living or all for free in western Europe?More than 1000 Euro is a little exaggerating. But 500 Euros is the minimum. I would say 600 to 700 Euro per person per month. I don't know if there is free apartment in Germany. But if a German provide an Ukrainian a room to live, he can get 200 to 300 Euro from the government. The food will cost 150 to 200 Euro per month if you eat meat one time per day. 10 eggs costs about 2 Euro in supermarket, 500 gram bread costs about 80 cents, you can imagine the living cost in Germany. I don't know insurance cost. For a normal worker the insurance will cost at least 300 Euro per month, but for student and refugees it should be much cheaper. Some cities even provide free German courses. Some cities are discussing if they should let Ukrainians have the working permit, because at least they can clean the room or taking care of children.
I tried with Mamba to hook up some women in Kiev, the chance at the moment is extremely low, they just don't reply. I don't think things will get better soon, because the girls in Germany will invite their sisters to come to Germany instead of waiting some foreign prophets.
It won't be that easy. I don't think that the prices will go down extremely and that masses of willing girls will be available again. It's war at the moment. All the girls who are still in Ukraine have a lack of money. After the war, exactly the opposite will happen. Then greed takes over again.
It is now easier to go to Western Europe. There you can get a legal residence permit. Many girls have already used this. Not much will change immediately after the war. Ukrainians have always had a keen sense of where money can be made.
Why should girls fuck in Kyiv for $50 or $100 after the war? There is an opportunity to go to other countries. Where prostitution is legal. And you can make a lot more money with the job than for cheap prices in Kyiv. The not-so-beautiful women then stay in Ukraine. The beautiful or clever women go abroad, buy an apartment in Ukraine and come back only for vacation. But not to fuck 60+ men for cheap.
In western Ukraine in particular, the opposite is already noticeable. Fucking for food or to pay the rent? There's no reason for that anymore. Food is free everywhere. If you have absolutely nothing, you can go abroad. Female students too. Because unlike in the Ukraine, you can study for free in western Europe in many countries. In Germany there is even money for living expenses from the state.The post-war situation in Ukraine will be radically different, both in the ways you point out and in other ways we don't yet know. And I think you're spot on to point out the economic advantages of Ukrainian women moving to other, more lucrative, cities in Europe (or further abroad) and sending money back home. While we'll have to wait and see how things develop, it's definitely not going back to "business as usual" and will likely be pretty chaotic.
Moving to a new country with no language is not as rosy as it seems.
If war is over by end of May, latest end of June. Free handouts will stop August. If you'll read the news you'll see that people are beginning to move on from the war of Ukraine, in fact if you read polish news you'll see that:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/polands-resources-running-dry-ukrainian-refugee-crisis-continues-rcna25991
People are actually starting to get fed up of all the refugees. It's not all roses and flowers for refugees, most refugees aren't being treated fairly and not all countries in western Europe are easy to access.
Use seeking benefits, tinder, mamba and you will see that the women there are definitely looking for foreign men. A war has devastating effects on a country's economy and no matter what provisions are provided, a Ukrainian person will always try and stay closest to Ukraine or she'll go where her family is and western Europe is so expensive to someone coming from Ukraine with no job. That's why most Ukrainians are currently in Poland. They could go Germany or Netherlands but they stay in Poland. Why, because they want to go home. Not to mention the language barrier.
All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.
Moving to a new country with no language is not as rosy as it seems.
If war is over by end of May, latest end of June. Free handouts will stop August. If you'll read the news you'll see that people are beginning to move on from the war of Ukraine, in fact if you read polish news you'll see that:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/polands-resources-running-dry-ukrainian-refugee-crisis-continues-rcna25991
People are actually starting to get fed up of all the refugees. It's not all roses and flowers for refugees, most refugees aren't being treated fairly and not all countries in western Europe are easy to access.
Use seeking benefits, tinder, mamba and you will see that the women there are definitely looking for foreign men. A war has devastating effects on a country's economy and no matter what provisions are provided, a Ukrainian person will always try and stay closest to Ukraine or she'll go where her family is and western Europe is so expensive to someone coming from Ukraine with no job. That's why most Ukrainians are currently in Poland. They could go Germany or Netherlands but they stay in Poland. Why, because they want to go home. Not to mention the language barrier.
All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.Do you have an inside source at the Kremlin? What if Putin, without a clear path to victory but unwilling and unable to admit defeat, decides to double-down and escalate? The latest scenario I've seen discussed is a possible invasion of Moldova, using attacks in Transnistria (blamed on Ukraine) as a pretext. If something like that happens, it could have the effect of opening up a new front in this war and it would almost certainly prolong things. Or he could decide to just remain in a stalemated position for a while, along the current lines of demarcation, and continue to lob missiles occasionally at Kyiv, Lviv, Odessa, etc. The point is that there are a large number of factors that will determine how long things continue. And, while we all hope it will end ASAP, it could realistically go on for much longer than expected.
I'm not in the business of predictions, rather I'm more about making observations about events and trends. As for your May and June timeline, while I applaud your optimism, I'd also offer the observation that you might want to retire your crystal ball. It really hasn't served you very well recently, has it?
We will just have to wait and see, I do hope and think end of may, end of June, the war hopefully should be winding up. Putin's forces are almost depleted and their bank account is surely hurting.
HessenStud
05-03-22, 09:09
All I'm saying is after the war, there will definitely be women open and very willing to meet western men.I'm sorry to hear that, because it really hurts the feeling of colored people, including all men from Asia and Africa. Considering you have never posted any positive or successful experience in Kiev, I would say you have some strange view.
Nowadays the Ukrainian have the most difficulty time, no money, no job, no education chance, no good sleeping, even no hope! If they are not willing to meet foreigners now, I don't think after war they will change their mind. I tried hard to contact the girls on Mamba and also tried to persuade them to come to Germany, but until now no single reply. Of course I only contacted the above average looking girls. I can see they have read my messages. I just could not figure out why they don't even say a word like 'Thank you! If she is a smart girl, she should have heard or read on Internet, Germany provides very good accommodation for all Ukrainian refugees, not like some country only provides weapon and money but don't accept refugees. If she wants to earn more money by providing relaxation service, in Germany they can visit hotel or their customers, the police doesn't control prostitute's advertisement at all, of course, in Germany they can still find customers via VK, Mamba, Tinder, or Sugardaddy. Maybe some experienced members here can explain a little, why there are still some beauties in Kiev even now? (From Mamba I can see they are indeed in Kiev, one possibility is they are using fake photos.).
My group of monger friends includes one African-American man and an Indian man. They are both in their 50's. They use mamba, tinder and seeking to meet women in Ukraine. They are both talking to lots of women, they have women interested in them and they have very positive monger stories to say.
Of course if you open your first message with "Can you come to Germany and I will take care of you", the woman will naturally be suspicious and every single woman will ignore your all messages. One has to ask in a socially intelligent way and of course one must build a relationship with the woman, before asking such a big task of her. I like to have phone and video calls with the woman (without sending them money) and build a relationship with them. Just taking a bit of interest in her and her hobbies. Once I have built rapport then I will ask her to meet. When I left Ukraine, I stayed in Poland for a few weeks before I had to return to Berlin. I used this time to rent an Airbnb near the border. I used the method I described above and was able to meet a beautiful 22 year old Ukrainian woman online, she came to Poland and stayed with me. She did all cleaning, cooking and housework. We had lots of sex and I of course I gave her a generous amount of which she was extremely grateful for it. I had to leave back to Berlin but I gave her a great financial gift, she lives in an accommodation with an elderly Polish couple in Poland, we have video calls everyday, and we are in a semi-relationship. I will be going to visit her in Poland in the upcoming weeks however she does mention that she misses Ukraine and is just waiting for the war to finish so she can return home.
I know others mongers my age offline that are in situations that I was / am in. I know men my age in my 60's who have moved temporarily to Poland and are living with very attractive Ukrainians who they care for. These mongers will never post online about their situations because of course they don't want everyone doing it and they don't want to mess up the good thing they have.
There is gold to be found, one just has to put the work in to find it.
It's always a delight to read stories from a storyteller, whose story takes turns according to the comments the listeners give to him as a reaction to the latest plot twists he has just told.
But about the matter at hand, I just wonder how will all the services that tourists rely on come back to life in Kiev after the war. How soon. Or late. Will restaurants and cafes start to operate, how long will they be able to do their business? I'd suppose the locals would have to revitalize the downtown by their spending, to get things back to normal. And then it could be a place of visit again.
Personally, I think I would feel unease there, being served by people who have either fled their country or served on the front line. And yet, maybe it would the 'back to normal' they'd eventually wish to find.
It's always a delight to read stories from a storyteller, whose story takes turns according to the comments the listeners give to him as a reaction to the latest plot twists he has just told.
But about the matter at hand, I just wonder how will all the services that tourists rely on come back to life in Kiev after the war. How soon. Or late. Will restaurants and cafes start to operate, how long will they be able to do their business? I'd suppose the locals would have to revitalize the downtown by their spending, to get things back to normal. And then it could be a place of visit again.
Personally, I think I would feel unease there, being served by people who have either fled their country or served on the front line. And yet, maybe it would the 'back to normal' they'd eventually wish to find.I suspect there will be a huge inflow of Western money to rebuild the Kiev and other part of country.
While there is no exact comparison to a European country that suffered invasion in WW2 either allied or axis, liberator or aggressor, I think it will be fine to visit the Ukraine. I don't know how dangerous Germany was in the immediate aftermath of WW2. The Italians seemed consenting to Allied occupation. Again, none of these are exactly comparable situations. I'm also sure someone in those countries after WW2 was pissed off about things in the aftermath.
The only hope the Ukraine has longer-term is foreign investment and foreign cash. However, it might be best to avoid conspicuous mongering for awhile.
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