Odessa

[Doctor_Skank]

BigDan and Co.:

Well if there ever was a "market" that was YMMV (your mileage may vary) it is the freebie market. Odessa is no different. Somedays it seems impossibly easy, other days you get stomped on left and right.

Regarding the clubs, everybody has been putting in their 2 cents worth. I personally found it much easier to score in 2004 than 2005, possibly due to the recent influx of foreign competition, could also have just been me on that particular trip or maybe it was the constellation of the stars. In this case, my mileage varied.

In any case, I imagine it is much better than Prague, although I have (and am ashamed to admit) never even been to Prague. I personally have never found one particular EE market to be significantly better or worse than another, although speaking Russian is obviously an advantage although not a necessity. Odessa does however offer a babe factor per square meter that is hard to top anywhere.

I have been to Sunny Beach in Bulgaria as well, and it is a similar atmosphere, although the Odessa scene is dominated by locals and Russian-speaking tourists with a recent influx of European and American (and exclusively male) tourists. Nonetheless, the vast majority of people in the Arkadia clubs are Ukrainian and Russian.

Sunny Beach is different, since it is a holiday area that mostly foreign tourists go to. There aren't too many locals there. Sunny Beach also has plenty of action with female foreign tourists as well, particularly from Germany, Scandanavia and EE.

Both are fun locations. You can and most likely will get laid in both.

As far as scoring every night in Itaka or Ibiza, it certainly didnt work that way for me in 2005 as I ran into the following problems:

Ibiza: as Ca_T correctly stated, most people there are with dates. And as I already posted, it is the disco for high-rollers. IMHO the ONLY way to work Ibiza is to get a table, which you can reserve ahead of time or "rent". The tables are more like booths raised above the dance floor. You can ask one of the waiters to reserve a table for you, but it will cost between $20-50 depending on season etc... if you get a booth at all, they go fast.

Itaka: There is tons of eye candy here, but much of it is already spoken for and much of it is made up of local teens and students in groups. It can be hard to crack the group. What did work for me was getting phone numbers at Itaka and meeting the girls the next day or night. Very successful is TAKING a girl TO Itaka. There you should also get a table (less expensive than Ibiza or free) and wine and dine your girl before heading home with her. For this reason, go early at about 2330 to get a table. I met girls from shops etc. and took them to Itaka, this is what worked best for me. Meeting girls at Itaka and taking them home on opening night (1 night stand club pull) is possible, but in my experience there certainly wasnt anything automatic about it.

I personally feel that Odessa isnt for everyone, just as EE isnt for everyone. But for those who love EE and love EE girls, I cant imagine anyone regretting going to Odessa. If you absolutely hate it, you can get on the plane and fly to Kiev for $100.

[Bigdan]

Thanks for helpful information Doctor Skank.
Now I have heard 3 good views if I should go to Odessa or not:-)

There is always possibility to fail on the freebie market, but I know from my experiance in Prague that Ukrainian girls are the best but as Pros, or should I say the agency I used witch is closed down had normal girls who went to Prague to work:-)
And funny enough 4 girls came from Odessa:-)

Doctor skank as you and CA Traveler are full of useful Information, that if I went all the way to Odessa and failed on the Freebie market, Are some good escort agencies for resonable rates, at the time I was paying around 350 Euro for a 12 hour overnight in Prague with this Ukrainian agency:-)

Regards

BIGDAN

Ps I looked at Odessa as an option as it is less tourist place than many Major European Cities

[CA Traveler]

BD... WOW! 350 Euros/$420! Those are Moscow prices. Overnighters in ODS go for $150-$200 and up. There are one or two escort agencies, but I think there are better options in a pinch.

Not sure I agree that ODS is not a tourist destination... perhaps you meant a Western tourist destination. In the summer the population of ODS swells with people from all over the FSU. Odessa is nice other times, but in season, May to end of September when the beach clubs are open the city is filled with tourists and reservations for hotels/apartments/air/train are critical before you arrive.

Last year, I was worried that I'd be bored in Odessa in the summer... I wound up staying five weeks, bought an apartment and moved there... so it's always nice to know you can move on if you don't like a spot, but sometimes you find something worth staying for...

[Bigdan]

Thanks CA Traveler,

What is your recommedation then, any information aobut Freebies witch we have discussed recently, Escort agencies, Private apartments and Erotic clubs would be welcome, if you can´t pick them up for free it is Ok to pay small box:-)

I meant Odessa is not as much of a tourist place as Kiev, Prague, St Petursburg, Minsk, Butapest etc, I have not much knowladge on food and drinks in Odessa, but Apartments seem to be on a lot lower rate than Prague for example, if we compare like to like:-)

BIGDAN

[Bigdan]

Doctor Skank,

Re reading your post on that you had more success with Freebies in Odessa in 2004 than 2005 could in fact be foreign compettiton like you say and Odessa is hitting the same problem as Prague, or let´s say might be soon if people from the west will go there in Numbers. You see on the Prague forum that not many reports scoring with Freebies.
Everybody knows the main City in Ukraine is Kiev, but I thought Odessa would have been a safe bet in Ukraine.

I have an upcoming trip to Czech Republic in April and I am going to try the third biggest City there Ostrava, witch does not have many toursits and see what my luck with Freebies will be:-)

It could look like the small towns in Ukraine would be the safest bet if Odessa becomes to touristy:-)

BIGDAN

[Leeuwen]

EE isn't homogeneous. Speaking of "EE" is like speaking of SA (South America), there are significant nuances. Czech, Poland and Hungary are new members of EU and price level is way higher than Ukraine or Belorus. Difference in attitude is striking. Whereas girls in Prague are cunning and pro-like, freebies in Odessa are more genuine. I'm afraid the day Ukraine becomes too mainstream as result of foreign influx, the expansion eastwards stops. Would like to give the -stan countries a try, but don't expect it to occur in nearest future.

[CA Traveler]

BD.... I'm not sure exactly how touristy Minsk is... For tourists, Odessa does not compare at all with Prague, one of my favorite cities in Europe, I would not set foot in Prague from May to September because it is wall to wall assholes. Moscow you really don't notice the tourists because it is so packed with residents. Tourism is not a problem in Odessa to the point that it is unbearable. Even in the summer, you really don't have a problem getting into restaurants or clubs.

Questions on freebies I will defer to the doc... I fall into one every now and then but my couple of extra decades on doc puts him into a different league. If my rolex doesn't woo them it is doubtful that my BS will get me much farther! :)

Remember, Odessa is a destination and not a place that you pass through on your way to someplace else. In Moscow, most visitors measured their visit in days, in Odessa in the summer people measure their visit by weeks. People come here for R&R and holiday, people go to the other cities you mentioned for biz or tourism. In the summer, people are here from all over the world, but mostly the FSU. You tend to put up with the others because of the girls!

[Bigdan]

CA Traveler,

Thanks for quality information, I will look at Odessa as an good option and if I go I will book an apartment with your company:-)

When you say you would not set your foot in Prague from May- September, you are damn right it is to many tourist assholes there starting exactly from April to October, the problem in other seasons it is the weather, must even be worse in Odessa in off-season. It is also a question using areas were there are less tourists, like for Prague I avoid the old town as much as I can, but the main discos are there though:-)

BIGDAN

[Doctor_Skank]

BigDan:

Regarding freebies, you're just gonna hafta go for it.. :)

As for the influx of tourists making Odessa a tougher market, I think it has. This is a natural development. This doesn't however mean that Odessa has been shot as a market, its still good. Nor is Odessa as overrun as Prague or Riga, but I am not sure how 2006 will develop. Am really curious to find out myself...

An advantage of Odessa is that if freebies are your target, you can find plenty of ops any day of the week. I have scored girls from clubs, from the internet, working in shops, at the beach and pedestrians walking on Deribasovskaya. I also personally would definitely prefer going to Odessa in the summer than going to any of the other Ukrainian cities (with exception of Kiev), which are grey, impersonal and a bit boring in my opinion. Sure you may have more acceptance and considerably less competition in Dnepro, Kharhov or Donetsk, but what do you do in your down time? Hanging out on an Odessan beach or in a street cafe watching the babe parade is going to be more interesting than taking pictures of the train station in Dnepro.

Kiev is still a great destination from what I HEAR. I havent been there since late 2005, but it was still hot then. It is also a great city. Actually, there is no reason why you cant combine the two IF YOU HAVE SUFFICIENT TIME. Its an hour flight and the flight is cheap, just make sure you book in time as capacity is limited.

I would caution however if your time is limited (for example only 1 week) you might want to consider staying in one place. Generally freebies can take 2-3 days to pan out and you'll find that if you are working on 3 projects, suddenly they'll all want to meet you on your last day.... and you'll wish you had 2-3 more days to score all of them. Remember that a lot of these girls have limited time frames in which they can meet you and often are only free at night or even only on weekends. So your well-planned schedule of Monday-Olga, Tuesday-Marina, Wednesday-Inessa, Thursday-Dasha may suddenly become Friday Olga, Marina, Inessa and Dasha. Hope you have a circus performer's juggling skills and nerves of steel. Besides that, both cities have a lot to offer and you should plan a week for both if possible. 3 days Odessa isnt enough to really get your feet on the ground and operate effectively, or at least not to really relax and enjoy yourself. Same is true of Kiev.

For me Odessa is an ideal summer destination and Kiev is good year round (summer as well), so if I had to choose, I'd lean towards Odessa in the summer and Kiev any other time of year.

[Irish Lad]

Hello all,

Good to see that the Odessa section is "warming up".

May I add my comments based on some recent reports. These are lessons I learnt last year that may help.

I found that "juggling" can be very difficult as the girls are very aware of this system. If you are a "good catch" then you may find it hard to co-ordinate dates to suit yourself. On one occasion 3 of my results confronted me as I was in Itaka with that nights potential and it was only quick thinking by a mate that took my date "out of the equation" that kept me from blowing it.

If you are known as "Anna's" man then a "quasi-protection system" comes into play amongst her friends. Any interest from other girls will be quashed before you get off the starting blocks. I don't speak Russian but I know enough to understand "Who's he?"............."go away he's natasha's catch etc".

Cut losses early if it's not going your way. You can always get a takeaway from one of the taxi men on your way home from Arkadia. This can of course work in your favour as "that option" takes the edge off and creates it's own aura of value. I remember last year 1 girl dragging me out of Ibiza because someone else was showing too much interest and I'm not the best catch around.

Be confident.............but not cocky.

When I asked a local girl why stunning girls are so friendly and open she said "look around...........they are all beautiful, even she must catch her fish".

As for escort agencies..........there really is no need. Many pros, semi pros and freebies. I wouldn't set up an agency in that market!!!!!!!!!!

IL

[Your Dog]

Is it worth to take the treacherous side trip to Chisinau while in Odessa or is Odessa the pussy paradise of my dreams filled with beautiful Eastern European women? Any comments from experienced mongers.

[Rodney Munch]

Hey Guys,

I have enjoyed reading all the posts on Odessa and must say great job supplying all that very much needed information on this little gem. My attention was initially caught by a breathtaking girl on one of the local websites and sure enough turned out to be an ad for a small marriage agency in Odessa. I have always been skeptical of this type of thing but decided to give it a shot and Odessa seemed like a good place to visit. So, having spent 8 days in Odessa with a buddy of mine in March here is my contribution to the forum:

General Impression

Very positive. The city is quiet interesting with the main street being Deribasovskaya and the center being compact and easy to navigate. I have rented apartments while in Prague and Budapest so did the same in Odessa at www.odessaapts.com with a very nice flat in the center, with a sauna. I can only imagine how many ‘innocent sheep’ have been slaughtered in that sauna but what the f**k do I care, I am on vacation. The girl I was corresponding with turned out to be very nice but less lively than I would have liked her to be. My friend with whom I was staying did not correspond with anyone prior to the trip, so he hit the local scene right away. First night, we hit the Irish Pub and instantly noticed a table full of pros. There were a few guys chatting them up but the selection, while solid still left a bit to be desired. I was drawing contrasts to what I had seen on the main street just minutes before, which is an absolute babe fest every single second. It is funny how your standards get re calibrated so quickly when surrounded by vast amounts of beauty.

The Scene

Irish pub is definitely a good starting point. We did a lot of research before going to the trip and had all the spots laid out so here are my impressions. Irish pub is very nice and you can find a lot of gems in there if you look. However, if anything fresh wonders in, it needs to be snapped up very quickly due to a significant number of male tourists visiting this pub. Another thing worth mentioning is that the pub also seems to have a lot of ‘upscale’ Russians dining and wining there on nightly basis, so it can be difficult trying to pick something up or negotiate it with all these families/ friends sitting around. My buddy didn’t care but I felt slightly awkward. At any rate, the quotes tossed around were not cheap at all, we were told $100 for an hour and that came from a chic that was barely a 7. Did not feel the need to negotiate so we went off the club called Palladium and that’s when things really picked up. Eye candy from corner to corner, but probably about half are taken. We quickly snatched up a pair that was alone by the bar, and took no time to convince them to share a table with us and split a bottle of champagne to celebrate our arrival. To cut to the chase, I spent the following 3 days and 5 nights with Lena. This girl was an absolute firecracker and surprisingly had some knowledge of English. The sex was unreal, haven’t had that back home since college days and honestly the only reason I let her go after 5 nights is due to the fact she was getting very possessive and began planning the remainder of my days in Odessa for me, which is a big NO NO for me.

Ended up meeting with the girl I was corresponding, and while she was quiet lovely too she seemed to be much more serious about relationships than myself at this point. Spent an evening with her but decided not to invite her out with us. Went to a place called Skazka which was very close to our flat but had limited success here. This place is similar to a lot of trendy lounges back home in Philly with lots of snobby gals and guys trying to look as pretentious as they can. Massive amounts of eye candy once again, but these chics definitely knew their worth. My buddy made contact very quickly but I was striking out left and right. At this point I should mention that our strategy was to just go up to these chics, say Privet in accented Russian and hope they ask us where we are from. This probably works half of the time, but more effective in less expensive clubs with younger chics than places like Skazka. My buddy ended up scoring once again, this was his 3rd girl on the trip and I just walked away with one phone number.

Next night we tried out a place called Yo, which is a massive club also not too far from where we were staying. Lots and Lots and Lots of chics at this spot. Many clearly very young, the type that will get you locked up if you are not careful enough to check their date of birth. Anyway, our Privet approach worked very nicely here and we quickly had to choose which game to focus on since there was so much around. That’s one thing that definitely fucked up our game a few times is the fact that there is just so much pussy all around, that indecision and hesitation causes you to screw up. Just as we would be talking to some chics I would see some super hottie and would swear to god that she was looking me up and down the way those Russian girls size up guys. Then you have a difficult decision to either leave your game and go for the gold or stick with safe bet. Leaving to go for the gold is a bad strategy we learned since a lot of chics there just get off giving a guy ‘the look’ and then enjoying the attention they will likely receive but they will unlikely go home with you that same night. We did very well at Yo, I got a 21 year old hottie from Sevastopol on Friday night and a 19 year old (at least that’s what she claimed) who is a university student in Odessa from some other Ukrainian town I never heard of. My buddy ended up with the same girl both of the weekend nights but purely unintentionally, only because he ran into the same girl the following night and she was literally would let him out of her sight.

So, our total count in 8 days is 3 for me and 5 for my friend. I am a big fan of quality, not quantity so I was very satisfied with the results, particularly since my last trip to Prague did not yield results even close to this. Unfortunately, or fortunately depending how you look at I did not really get exposed to the pro scene. I have been to Prague and Budapest a few times so I know what the pro scene is like and I only turn to it as a last resort. In Odessa, did not see the need to turn to the pro scene with so many eager amateurs around but there definitively are options at the Irish pub and maybe at Palladium since there were some girls that are very likely to have been working based on their overall look and fashion sense. Honestly, we are not the best looking dudes in the world but key in EE I think is confidence. Chics love when guys come up to them and attempt to speak in broken horrible Russian and it is an instant ice breaker. The worst thing that can happen is the girl will laugh and turn away. The upside is you get laid or phone number, which will get you laid the following night so I can live with the downside.

The other critical key to success I think here is the selection of the right venue. I think this is probably the most important thing. Some dudes we met while at Irish pub are the ones that told us about Skazka. They raved about every girl looking like a supermodel there, but said it was hard to get laid. We apparently wanted to test that theory out and of course it proved out to be true. If anyone has a nice resourceful info on all the nightclubs in Odessa, especially for summer months it would be greatly appreciated. I found these pages pretty useful and we used them when planning where to go: www.odessaplus.com/portal/exploreSearch.do and www.odessaapts.com/night_life.asp and www.odessaguide.com/odessa_ukraine_what_to_do/odessa_ukraine_night_clubs.php

Anyway, we are now talking about possibly returning sometime in late July for two weeks, schedule permitting for a stretch of summer fun. I can only imagine what those babes on Deribasovskaya look like in bikinis, and I must find out!

CA_Traveler and others, I think you are all right saying that this place is relatively undiscovered. We only saw English speaking crowd at the Irish Pub and maybe a few other cafes, but when we were out in clubs, I do not think I heard English even once so as a foreigner there, you are definitively in a separate category. It does sound like that is only the case though in the winter and not summer months but I bet the summer brings a lot more chics that way too so it offsets the influx of male tourists a bit. Maybe I am just trying to justify why I should take two weeks off in July and just book that ticket. I am now looking at arriving on July 24th, so if anyone else is planning to be in town at that time PM me, would love to be/find eager wingman.

[CA Traveler]

YD... depends on how long your trip is! If it is a long weekend, I think not! If it is a month, maybe. If you come in the summer I guess you will not want to leave. Last summer, before we arrived in ODS, my friend from Moscow was planning a trip to make a long trip to the Crimea from ODS. He was here for about three days and decided that he wasn't leaving ODS for the entire month!

As it turned out, I stayed even longer! :)

[Your Dog]

Rodney, the girls you hooked up with were amateurs, but did you compensate them anything at all at the end? I believe in Romania, the amateurs expect somekind of compensation. How secure did you feel?

[Rodney Munch]

I did not compensate the girls in any direct way. Meaning I did not give them cash or buy expensive gifts. However, I did take them one to relatively expensive dinners, and obviously paid for all their drinks at the club. We also ordered bottles in a club which is a great way to make the girls think you are a high roller, which we are not but all this is still ridiculously cheap compared to back home.

I felt secured at all times, honestly I think I felt more secure there than in most North American cities, especially at night. There are a lot of dark streets, no question but they usually have straddlers at all hours of the night. At the clubs, just make sure the girl isn't 'owned' by anyone and you will be fine. Common sense pervails.

[Bez Bezarra]

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So, total count in 8 days is 3 for me.

I am quality not quantity

I was satisfied with the results

my last trip did not yield even this.

we are not best looking but confidence.

The worst thing is I can live with the downside.




Hey Rod Muncher-

If all mongers were the same, the world would be boring,
so I say 'Viva la Difference!'

For your sake though, I sure hope you're a limey not going far
out of your way, because hoofing it all the way from the US, if
I come up short of 3 tarts EACH DAY, not only have I miserably
failed myself, but I feel like I've let every other fucking brother
monger with 2 testicles down from Achisu to Zubalino.

Now do not infer that I'm only going for quantity, because I'll
send anything less than a 7 that knocks on my door swiftly on
her way with $2 for taxi and a blunt message to mamachka that
its either lapushka or nichivo.

Ok, I can see where some guys would say that 3 dyevs minimum
EVERY day doesn't leave much for basics like travel time, but if
you're stuck sitting on a train for anywhere from 5 up to 10 hours,
you can surely get blown in that stretch. Sure on a bus its trickier,
but who in hell would begrudge a monger a handjob under a coat
or blanket from a friendly passenger dyev sitting next to you,
I mean, as long as its kinda dark outside. Eh matey?

And dyevochka sex pre or post breakfast, or even during
breakfast, is certainly standard menu fare in Ukraine,
I mean for what other possible reason would anyone even
bother waking up, as basic as the sun rising or drinking
fucking orange juice. Am I right?

Then, if you're not getting some pussy by the afternoon, I mean,
what the hell ARE you doing? Picking your boogers on a bench
in the park? C'mon please, you can do that when you're 80,
Aqualung.

That leaves the rest of the entire night to see what's inside panty
number 3.

So that's just any one particular day, no special occasion or anything.

You're "very satisfied with 3 total after EIGHT DAYS, because your
last trip was much worse".

Look, I could've exagerrated a smidge maybe, to be honest, these
days, after 2 pops, I'm not still on fire like I was a few years back.
That minimum 3 every day stuff WAS really true when I was thinner
and younger and not taking blood pressure pills. And you can trust
me when I tell you I'm no "catch".

If I ever get back in shape, I could get back to 3. I'm also not
saying that means you MUST get laid every chance. Those 3
can certainly include first dates or meetings where sex isn't
mandatory. With freebies, no one expects instant pussy. You have
to start somewhere, and even if you never bed her, its not a waste
of time, because at least you tried. So each hook up counts.
With all yours, that definitely brings your "total" higher than 3.

The main benefit of trying and failing is gaining experience and
learning from your mistakes, which is invaluable. Ask the Doc
and the CaT what bunglers they were when they were newbies!

But I still wonder if we ought not raise up your level of expectation
a notch. Bangers and mash? Bollocks? Red hot poker up the bum?

[Rodney Munch]

If you noticed, Bez, nowhere did it say that I paid directly for sex. If I did, I could have easily had 3, 4, 5 or as many as I would have wanted. Fuck, I could have a line out the street if I wanted to. However, if you read my post again you will see that this trip was about scoring freebies, and not just any but real beautiful girls that the pros do not even come close to, from at least the ones I saw at the Irish pub. If I want quantity I'll go to Thailand or Dominican Republic but in a place like Odessa it's also nice to play the game and pickup fresh 19 year old beauties that would not even glance in mine or your direction if it was in US or Canada.

[Your Dog]

I love the Czech Republic, just a great place for me to hang out. I like the culture, I am cool with the people, and I find the girls sexxy and beautiful. Only thing that is missing, is that one has to live there to really score with the normal girls. A short time, better off with the pros.
So, I have been following the Odessa board and it sounds pretty close to my idea of pussy paradise, an abundance of sexxy girls that want to have fun with us foreigners ;-). So fellow members, please keep on telling us about your non-pro adventures as well as the p4p scene.

[CA Traveler]

Just to clarify for those reading munches report... The Irish Pub is not, nor will it ever be a Moscow CF/Boarhouse experience. The quantiy, and quality, of the working girls are nothing compared to what can be acquired with the right contacts. Likewise, IMHO, the entire place is not laid out very well, and it's too bright and too way too expensive for everything... food, drinks and girls. It's a nice place to meet because everyone knows where it is, but there are far better places for a nice meal and/or even a quiet conversation.

As far as scoring freebies, I would suggest that the IP is one of the last places to go to score freebies. Read doc's reports, I'm in total agreement in that regular girls can be scored any place... in the stores, outdoor cafes, on the street, beach, you name it... it's just a matter of approaching them. If on the other hand, you feel more comfortable if you think that the IP girl may speak English, then maybe the IP is a good spot to begin, but certainly don't limit yourself to that place!

Hopefully the new place going in where Fidels was will be a good place and will start out from the beginning as a good hang out for foreigners.

[Gladiator]

Rodney,

Good report.

Did you speak Russian (or Ukrainian) to the girls or did you find that they can generally get by in English?

[Irish Lad]

Hi,

I'll be down the weekend of 28th May. Looking forward to it very much. Some advance work done already on dating sites but I remember from last year that it's not really required......but just in case.

My hangout is the Irish pub before kicking off to Arkadia if anyones around. In the meantime I'll be in Bishkek and Kiev so full reports on my return.

IL

[Dsmurth]

Was in Irish Pub tonight. Agree with CA T, quality not great, freebies not likely. A few pros but not Odessa quality. Not great drinks, I woulds prefer Mojo around the corner just to get started.

[Rodney Munch]

Rodney,

Good report.

Did you speak Russian (or Ukrainian) to the girls or did you find that they can generally get by in English?I have a Polish background, so I have some basic understanding of most Slavic languages. I can't really speak well myself but I can usually make out what someone is talking about so it was mainly a combination of English, Russian and some Polish thrown in. Most of the time drinks were involved and I find it is much easier to cross any type of language barries once the liquor starts flowing.

[Gladiator]

Thanks, Rodney, for the clarification.

It seems to me, from the posts I have read so far, that to have some success with non-pros in Odessa some basic Russian/Ukrainian skills are needed, though I’d be happy to hear the opinion of someone who thinks differently.

For instance, when targeting customer-facing non-pros (waitresses, shop assistants and the like), what are your chances if you only speak English?

Also, are there any strip-clubs or escorts agencies in Odessa?

I am seriously considering a trip this summer and am now gathering some intel, so any info will be appreciated.

[Uke Boy]

Gladiator,

With non-pros, your chances of success are at best minuscule if you do not speak some Russian. That applies not just to Odessa but to all of Ukraine.

That is not to say you can't succeed. The going will be much more difficult. The problem is that while the local ladies are spending some time learning English, the comprehension or use of English by them is generally very poor. Many just do not feel comfortable in their level of comprehension or use of English.

Your best chances are if YOU learn basic Russian (or a higher level) before you get here and then try to have some primitive form of communication with her primitive English.

With waitresses and shop assistants, forget it. Russian only is the only thing that they will be comfortable with.

As I said in another post, if you do get here expecting freebies to fall your way without proper preparation, you had better have plan "B" in place, namely the pros. There is a slightly better chance here that some pros might have better English skills.

This is not an English speaking country and it will be a very long time before the younger segments of the population become more comfortable with basic English. Rodney's Polish was a big plus for him. However, if you have English only, count only on very limited success and if you do not have the time, you may find even no success may be the result.

[CA Traveler]

UB... I pretty much agree, but I think there are many opportunities to set up some meetings with English speakers before you arrive if you take an approach that you are here for more than a 3-7 day holiday. Last couple of years, I have had great success on www.luckylovers.net and I've heard fo good success on another site, missingheart.com or something like that. On those sites you have an opportunity to select girl who speak English and then you can go from there. Of course, there are scammers like on any site, but I hooked up with a 19 y.o. last summer who I wound up taking to ODS for a month and later to SEA for a week on the beaches. In fact, I actually had too much success because I found I couldn't keep up with the desired meetings and active correspondence required to keep them on the hook... It soon becomes a full-time job in itself.

That said, I have found that more people seem to speak English in Kiev than in Odessa, but it is easier to get your hands around Odessa as a city because you can walk every place in the center very easily and the trip to the beach is a very simple step.

I also find that many girls who do not speak English will at least make an attempt if you make an attempt at Russian. At the very least, one should learn the alphabet. If you know the alphabet you will quickly find that many Russian words are the same as English but if you don't know the letters it will be difficult to realize that.

However, the problem that I'm having now is that more and more things are being either advertised in Ukrainian, which is a similar but slightly different alphabet... OR they are using Cyrillic script which is totally different from printed Cyrillic. Damn!

[Gladiator]

Thanks guys for the feedback.

In that case, I think I should forget about non-pros and stick with pros/semi-pros, which isn’t an issue; but from what I’ve read so far the pros’ scene isn’t very developed yet in Odessa, is that right?

Can you really rely on having a night out in the clubs and finding a good pro? By ‘good pro’ I mean a cute pro between 18-25 yo, with good attitude and with BBBJ included.

Sorry for all the questions, but even after reading most posts here I have some doubts, mainly due to the fact that I see most guys that have fun in Odessa speak some Russian, which isn’t my case.

[CA Traveler]

Gladiator... don't write it off yet. The pro-scene in ODS is very well developed IF you calculate "well-developed" by the number of girls, but it is not in your face in a commercial sense like in some places. The key is who you know and that is the entry into the ODS world of P4P. If you show up in ODS without having a contact, you will probably have to start your search on Deribasovskaya or some of the clubs. What I find is that if you meet someone on Deribasovskaya but you don't like them, ask if they have any other girlfriends.

Let me know when you come and perhaps I can help you with your plans.

[Max Two]

Hey gang,

You guys have been busy!

What is the scene like in july these days?

Any sugestions on which hotels to book that are close to the action that time of year?

How early should I book?

[CA Traveler]

M2... July is heaven in Odessa. Weather is great, beaches are crowded with hot chicks and the streets are a constant parade of beautiful women in mini-skirts and bare legs!

It is never too early to book the summer trips to Odessa. That applies to air/train and hotel/apartments. Last August I had to return to Moscow with an urgent medical problem and I could not get a train or air seat out for a 10 day period. Apartments are typically booked as well.

Hotel vs. Apartment... in the FSU, Russia/Ukraine, apartments are the way to go. Hotels are expensive and restrictive in terms of your special guests. Book an apartment in the center and you'll enjoy your trip much more than any of the hotels.

[Max Two]

I plan to make my reservations very soon!

Any sugestions on which apt services to use? Typical rates?

Is central really better than out near arcadia?

It's a "Vacation" with "benefits" so i plan to do a lot of lounging arround near the water when I am not execising back in my room :).

A/C is a must.


M2... July is heaven in Odessa. Weather is great, beaches are crowded with hot chicks and the streets are a constant parade of beautiful women in mini-skirts and bare legs!

It is never too early to book the summer trips to Odessa. That applies to air/train and hotel/apartments. Last August I had to return to Moscow with an urgent medical problem and I could not get a train or air seat out for a 10 day period. Apartments are typically booked as well.

Hotel vs. Apartment... in the FSU, Russia/Ukraine, apartments are the way to go. Hotels are expensive and restrictive in terms of your special guests. Book an apartment in the center and you'll enjoy your trip much more than any of the hotels.

[CA Traveler]

M2... Whether you choose to be at the beach or in the center is really your choice. Most westerners prefer to be in the center because it is still the hub of activity with more restaurants and shopping available, plus there are many clubs in the center. The beach clubs are nice and are located at Arkadia, but the best private beach is not Arkadia and so you must take a car to that beach anyway which kind of defeats the purpose of being at the "beach".

In addition, the prices for apartments in the center are typically much less than at the beach because there are more apartments available in the center AND therefore more competition, plus the landlords in the center can keep rates lower because the season is longer and they don't have to make a year's worth of income in a few months.

Which apartment service to use??? If you have followed this thread for very long you would know my answer immediately! :) Instead, I will refer you to my posting in the Classified Ads section for Ukraine... Log on to the website posted and all of your questions will be answered!

If you can't locate it, PM me and I will give you the information without making another bladent plug for my business.

In any case, beach or center, I'm sure you will have a great visit to Odessa. IMHO, there is nothing better, er... almost nothing better, than sitting in an outdoor cafe in Odessa and watching the girls walk by... it is a continous stream of beauties that will soon have you realizing the exact "meaning of life!"

Have fun!


I plan to make my reservations very soon!

Any sugestions on which apt services to use? Typical rates?

Is central really better than out near arcadia?

It's a "Vacation" with "benefits" so i plan to do a lot of lounging arround near the water when I am not execising back in my room :).

A/C is a must.

[CA Traveler]

Brian Maloney... Tried to respond to your PM, but your box if full.

[Rodney Munch]

Hey Max,

Me and a buddy of mine just came back from Odessa a couple of months ago. Was first time trip for both and now we are in the midst of planning a return with the 'vengeance' trip for either late July or early August. We were also debating as to stay in the center or Arkadia but for now are leaning more towards Arkadia only because we already did the center thing once. Plus, there is the sweetest apartment I am looking at: http://www.odessaapts.com/ind_apartment.asp?ID=90

With a jacuzzi! So it just makes it all that much more tempting. Our tenantive dates right now are July 19th to Aug 3rd. We are also considering taking a trip to Yalta for a day or two but will decide once there. PM me if you would want to meetup.


I plan to make my reservations very soon!

Any sugestions on which apt services to use? Typical rates?

Is central really better than out near arcadia?

It's a "Vacation" with "benefits" so i plan to do a lot of lounging arround near the water when I am not execising back in my room :).

A/C is a must.

[CA Traveler]

People are always asking… “When I visit Odessa, do I stay at the beach or in the city center?”

I have tried to answer the question, but I realized that it is very easy for me to make bad assumptions about the level of knowledge that may exist about Odessa and its geographical make up.

So, this is a short summary of the advantages and disadvantages of booking a hotel or apartment at the “beach” or in the city center. Of course, each of us has different ideas of the perfect holiday and the priorities of your trip and holiday will help you make your decision, but if you make some bad decisions based on a misunderstanding of Odessa and the realities of both the City Center and the Beach area you may wish you had understood the facts beforehand.

Before I begin though, this question of Beach vs. City Center is really only valid from mid-May to early October, because in the months between the beach area can be a ghost town and other than going to a small kiosk or market if you make the mistake of staying in the beach area, you will be very lonely indeed.

To begin, if you look at a map of Odessa, (http://www.travel-2-ukraine.com/information/maps/odessa/odessa-screen.htm), you will see that the city center is typically defined as…

On the North, Primorskaya Blvd. On the East, Pushkinskaya or Polshaya Street. On the West, Preobrazhenskaya/Soviet Army Street. The South is a bit more fluid, but certainly no further than Panteleymonovskaya Street near the train station, but in reality, it is really Troitskaya or Zhukovskogo.

The city center can easily be covered by walking in 15 or 20 minutes even if you take the most extreme distances and stop to window shop along the way.

AND, by everyone’s definition, Deribasovskaya, which is a pedestrian street running East to West, is the well-defined “CENTER” of the center!

From Deribasovskaya, you can be at a beach in about 10-15 minutes walking, but honestly the beach is more a family beach and is close to the port and is not one that you would set as a destination.

The reason the City Center is the hub of Odessa is because that is where you will find, not only most restaurants, clubs, concerts, museums, Opera House/Philharmonic, hotels/apartments and shopping, but also it is the architectural and historical pivot point for all of Odessa. Outside of the center, you may find some interesting things, but the center has it all. Just walking around the tree-lined streets admiring the architecture, that is if you can take your eyes off of the mini-skirts at the top of those long, bare legs, which is French and Italian you will be amazed at how Odessa seems to come alive in the warmer months with outdoor cafes everywhere, but even in the coldest months the city center is still alive and active. If you don’t do anything but spend a nice two-hour lunch at Zara’s pizza or one of the many outdoor cafes on Ekaterinskaya, you will thank your lucky stars that you came to Odessa… It is both relaxing and motivating!

The “beach” area on the other hand has its own set of geographical milestones which you must be aware.

On the same map, you may be able to see that the Odessa beaches run from North to South for many miles. What is critical for you to understand is that from Primorskaya Blvd and the Potemkin Steps in the City Center all the way down the coast is that Odessa is built on a bluff overlooking the Black Sea. As an example, on the map you will notice a cable car going to one of the beaches. That should validate many things that I will tell you since we all know they don’t build cable cars for a 10-meter trip!

With that in mind, the beaches in Odessa are not like you may think of when you think of Hawaii, Florida or California or even along the Mediterranean where hotels, houses, cafes, restaurants are built right on the sand or across the street. Around Odessa, with a very few exceptions, EVERYTHING is build on the bluff or back from the bluff. The actual Arkadia beach area is one of the exceptions… HOWEVER, not all of “Arkadia” is down on the beach and in fact most is on the bluff and primarily back from the beach. To get to the actual beach area, from the streets above you must make a long downhill stroll to get to the beach level which includes the clubs and restaurants or you must climb down, and up, stairs from the top of the bluff to the beach. BUT, what is important for you to understand before you make a decision to stay at the “beach” is that you can stay in so-called Arkadia, but still be a 10-20 minute walk to get to the sand! This is not Southern California or Thailand where you roll out of bed and wiggle your toes in the sand as you have your first cup of java!

It can be very deceiving when you look at photos or hear descriptions of a hotel or apartment and be told that you can see the beach or the sea from the apartment! We have apartments now that have views of the sea, but I would never consider suggesting that you walk 10-15 minutes to get to the water!

Now with that understood… Let’s look at the Beach vs. City Center!

As stated earlier, the city center is the year-round hub of activity in Odessa. Every day and evening, Deribasovskaya and the surrounding streets are packed with people… enjoying the city, sitting in the outdoor cafes, sampling the many restaurants, shopping, and, of course, girl watching! This area is Odessa and if it is not experienced you will miss the real Odessa! From the center, you can be at Riviera Beach in 20 minutes and Arkadia in 10 minutes by car. Cost of a taxi to either place is about 20 UAH, $4.

The city center really speaks for itself and it is not necessary to elaborate too much more about its role in Odessa life!

The actual Arkadia beach area offers two things… The beach in the daytime and the clubs at night beginning at 2300 or midnight. Of course, you can also find restaurants/cafes along about a 150 meters stretch of the boardwalk along the beach, but that is basically it.

If you stay at the beach, I would expect that the primary rationale is it is more convenient to be there for the clubs and beach instead of the city center. However, please consider these facts…

The Arkadia beach is a nice beach, but in Odessa it is generally accepted that the “best” spot is a private place called Riviera Beach which is further south down the coast from Arkadia. Remember that further south is generally accepted as better because it is further from the port which means cleaner water. The cost of Riviera is 25 UAH, $5, which includes a chaise lounge and use of an umbrella. Depending on when you arrive, you could be right down at water’s edge. They have attendants who will bring you food and drink, all reasonably priced. This beach also has a café and a separate swimming pool. You can even rent jet skis and take an airborne parachute ride if you choose. If, like most westerners, you too decide that the Riviera Beach is where you want to spend your days, you may decide that instead of walking 10-15 minutes to the beach, you will take a 5-10 minute taxi ride to Riviera Beach to spend the day.

We can all agree that the Arkadia beach clubs are the best clubs to go to during the warmer months and they can be packed! But, the real question to ask yourself if you stay in the beach area… A 10-15 minute walk during the day to get to and from the sand may be acceptable, but after I’ve been drinking all night do I really want to walk home in the dark from a beach club, perhaps with company, at 0300?

So if location and convenience are your two highest priorities, are you really accomplishing anything by staying at the beach? This is especially true if you have to take a car to and from the beach and take a car home from the clubs! Add on the extra cost of the Arkadia beach area accommodations during the summer and it may not be your final decision!

If you look at the “beach” area with these facts, you like most Western travelers, will probably decide that unless you have your own car, even if you don’t plan to drive home from the clubs, or speak the language fluently, the center is really the best place to call “home” during your time in Odessa.

[Your Dog]

IS Odessa far from being like Prague with all its Expats?

[CA Traveler]

Went to the nude beach yesterday for the annual Body Painting festival which is held on 2 May every year. Unfortunately, they moved the festival from the city to the beach because the organizer has some legal problems and wasn't around to make sure it came off as well as normal. However, while the body painting part was not as significant as normal, the weather was beautiful and the nude beach was operating at what was said to be about 10% of normal considering it was a beautiful sunny day, but a little crisp to be lounging around with your pecker in the air for my taste. However, the cool air did make for a lot of headlights on high beam, if you get my drift.

I've intermingled the shots of the bp with the nude beach just so you can get a flavor of the afternoon. I'll most more shots in the photo gallery.

[Schlonger]

Wow - would have been drooling all down the beach!


Went to the nude beach yesterday for the annual Body Painting festival which is held on 2 May every year. Unfortunately, they moved the festival from the city to the beach because the organizer has some legal problems and wasn't around to make sure it came off as well as normal. However, while the body painting part was not as significant as normal, the weather was beautiful and the nude beach was operating at what was said to be about 10% of normal considering it was a beautiful sunny day, but a little crisp to be lounging around with your pecker in the air for my taste. However, the cool air did make for a lot of headlights on high beam, if you get my drift.

I've intermingled the shots of the bp with the nude beach just so you can get a flavor of the afternoon. I'll most more shots in the photo gallery.

[Neyzen Tevfik]

CAT !

Don't you know how to hold a paintbrush and a tube of oil paint?

Or, didn't you have the budget to buy one? ;)

I would build a complete desk with all cohices of colors and brushed to attract these beautişes to my desk, so that I could be able to paint them myself !!! :p

Tsk ! Tsk ! Tsk !

What a pity :D

Carpe Diem



Went to the nude beach yesterday for the annual Body Painting festival which is held on 2 May every year. Unfortunately, they moved the festival from the city to the beach because the organizer has some legal problems and wasn't around to make sure it came off as well as normal. However, while the body painting part was not as significant as normal, the weather was beautiful and the nude beach was operating at what was said to be about 10% of normal considering it was a beautiful sunny day, but a little crisp to be lounging around with your pecker in the air for my taste. However, the cool air did make for a lot of headlights on high beam, if you get my drift.

I've intermingled the shots of the bp with the nude beach just so you can get a flavor of the afternoon. I'll most more shots in the photo gallery.

[CA Traveler]

Personally... I prefer them au'naturale!

[Max Two]

I will be carefull to be on the beach close to the clubs!

Any sugestions on better apts or hotels?


People are always asking… “When I visit Odessa, do I stay at the beach or in the city center?”

I have tried to answer the question, but I realized that it is very easy for me to make bad assumptions about the level of knowledge that may exist about Odessa and its geographical make up.

So, this is a short summary of the advantages and disadvantages of booking a hotel or apartment at the “beach” or in the city center. Of course, each of us has different ideas of the perfect holiday and the priorities of your trip and holiday will help you make your decision, but if you make some bad decisions based on a misunderstanding of Odessa and the realities of both the City Center and the Beach area you may wish you had understood the facts beforehand.

Before I begin though, this question of Beach vs. City Center is really only valid from mid-May to early October, because in the months between the beach area can be a ghost town and other than going to a small kiosk or market if you make the mistake of staying in the beach area, you will be very lonely indeed.

To begin, if you look at a map of Odessa, (http://www.travel-2-ukraine.com/information/maps/odessa/odessa-screen.htm), you will see that the city center is typically defined as…

On the North, Primorskaya Blvd. On the East, Pushkinskaya or Polshaya Street. On the West, Preobrazhenskaya/Soviet Army Street. The South is a bit more fluid, but certainly no further than Panteleymonovskaya Street near the train station, but in reality, it is really Troitskaya or Zhukovskogo.

The city center can easily be covered by walking in 15 or 20 minutes even if you take the most extreme distances and stop to window shop along the way.

AND, by everyone’s definition, Deribasovskaya, which is a pedestrian street running East to West, is the well-defined “CENTER” of the center!

From Deribasovskaya, you can be at a beach in about 10-15 minutes walking, but honestly the beach is more a family beach and is close to the port and is not one that you would set as a destination.

The reason the City Center is the hub of Odessa is because that is where you will find, not only most restaurants, clubs, concerts, museums, Opera House/Philharmonic, hotels/apartments and shopping, but also it is the architectural and historical pivot point for all of Odessa. Outside of the center, you may find some interesting things, but the center has it all. Just walking around the tree-lined streets admiring the architecture, that is if you can take your eyes off of the mini-skirts at the top of those long, bare legs, which is French and Italian you will be amazed at how Odessa seems to come alive in the warmer months with outdoor cafes everywhere, but even in the coldest months the city center is still alive and active. If you don’t do anything but spend a nice two-hour lunch at Zara’s pizza or one of the many outdoor cafes on Ekaterinskaya, you will thank your lucky stars that you came to Odessa… It is both relaxing and motivating!

The “beach” area on the other hand has its own set of geographical milestones which you must be aware.

On the same map, you may be able to see that the Odessa beaches run from North to South for many miles. What is critical for you to understand is that from Primorskaya Blvd and the Potemkin Steps in the City Center all the way down the coast is that Odessa is built on a bluff overlooking the Black Sea. As an example, on the map you will notice a cable car going to one of the beaches. That should validate many things that I will tell you since we all know they don’t build cable cars for a 10-meter trip!

With that in mind, the beaches in Odessa are not like you may think of when you think of Hawaii, Florida or California or even along the Mediterranean where hotels, houses, cafes, restaurants are built right on the sand or across the street. Around Odessa, with a very few exceptions, EVERYTHING is build on the bluff or back from the bluff. The actual Arkadia beach area is one of the exceptions… HOWEVER, not all of “Arkadia” is down on the beach and in fact most is on the bluff and primarily back from the beach. To get to the actual beach area, from the streets above you must make a long downhill stroll to get to the beach level which includes the clubs and restaurants or you must climb down, and up, stairs from the top of the bluff to the beach. BUT, what is important for you to understand before you make a decision to stay at the “beach” is that you can stay in so-called Arkadia, but still be a 10-20 minute walk to get to the sand! This is not Southern California or Thailand where you roll out of bed and wiggle your toes in the sand as you have your first cup of java!

It can be very deceiving when you look at photos or hear descriptions of a hotel or apartment and be told that you can see the beach or the sea from the apartment! We have apartments now that have views of the sea, but I would never consider suggesting that you walk 10-15 minutes to get to the water!

Now with that understood… Let’s look at the Beach vs. City Center!

As stated earlier, the city center is the year-round hub of activity in Odessa. Every day and evening, Deribasovskaya and the surrounding streets are packed with people… enjoying the city, sitting in the outdoor cafes, sampling the many restaurants, shopping, and, of course, girl watching! This area is Odessa and if it is not experienced you will miss the real Odessa! From the center, you can be at Riviera Beach in 20 minutes and Arkadia in 10 minutes by car. Cost of a taxi to either place is about 20 UAH, $4.

The city center really speaks for itself and it is not necessary to elaborate too much more about its role in Odessa life!

The actual Arkadia beach area offers two things… The beach in the daytime and the clubs at night beginning at 2300 or midnight. Of course, you can also find restaurants/cafes along about a 150 meters stretch of the boardwalk along the beach, but that is basically it.

If you stay at the beach, I would expect that the primary rationale is it is more convenient to be there for the clubs and beach instead of the city center. However, please consider these facts…

The Arkadia beach is a nice beach, but in Odessa it is generally accepted that the “best” spot is a private place called Riviera Beach which is further south down the coast from Arkadia. Remember that further south is generally accepted as better because it is further from the port which means cleaner water. The cost of Riviera is 25 UAH, $5, which includes a chaise lounge and use of an umbrella. Depending on when you arrive, you could be right down at water’s edge. They have attendants who will bring you food and drink, all reasonably priced. This beach also has a café and a separate swimming pool. You can even rent jet skis and take an airborne parachute ride if you choose. If, like most westerners, you too decide that the Riviera Beach is where you want to spend your days, you may decide that instead of walking 10-15 minutes to the beach, you will take a 5-10 minute taxi ride to Riviera Beach to spend the day.

We can all agree that the Arkadia beach clubs are the best clubs to go to during the warmer months and they can be packed! But, the real question to ask yourself if you stay in the beach area… A 10-15 minute walk during the day to get to and from the sand may be acceptable, but after I’ve been drinking all night do I really want to walk home in the dark from a beach club, perhaps with company, at 0300?

So if location and convenience are your two highest priorities, are you really accomplishing anything by staying at the beach? This is especially true if you have to take a car to and from the beach and take a car home from the clubs! Add on the extra cost of the Arkadia beach area accommodations during the summer and it may not be your final decision!

If you look at the “beach” area with these facts, you like most Western travelers, will probably decide that unless you have your own car, even if you don’t plan to drive home from the clubs, or speak the language fluently, the center is really the best place to call “home” during your time in Odessa.

[Rodney Munch]

We made our final reservations finally and decided to stay an apartment in Arkadia after all. CA_T thanks for your input and center appears the best the best place to stay for anyone visiting the city for the first time. Since we had already spent time in the center, I thought it would be more adventurous to spend the second trip by the sea. We also chose to book 2 separate apartments, but both are located in the same complex by Arkadia. This seems to make more sense since the options for two bedrooms by the sea were not all that great. From the pictures they appear to be very nice and the girl who runs that operation assured me the walk to the nightclubs in Arkadia from there is less than 15 minutes. My question is this, this is the apartment's address - 18 Pilievaya Street
http://www.odessaapts.com/ind_apartment.asp?ID=84
But I am unable to find any detailed map of Odessa online which can verify that this is a close walk to Arkadia. Can someone please point me to a good Odessa map?

Also, our dates are confirmed so if anyone wants to meet up for some wingman action or just a beer let me know. We will be there July 18th to July 31st.

[CA Traveler]

M2... I've never stayed in a hotel in Odessa, but I have toured most of them in the center. As throughout the FSU, they are, IMHO, overpriced and reportedly the service is less than adequate.

There are many apartment rental companies in Odessa, which is easily demonstrated. One caution though... almost all of the apartment rental companies in ODS, market other people's apartments for rent. This means that they do not have control of the property and are at the whim of the local landlord and you also face the situations I referred to about unexpected servicing problems. On top of that, although it appears there are hundreds of apartments available for rent on the Internet, there are really only a fraction of that number since about 60+% of the apartments on the internet are the same apartments! They are just marketed by different people.

On top of that there are only two or three Westerners renting apartments in ODS, which further restricts your options since just having the ability to speak English or having lived outside of the FSU for a few years does not solve all of the problems with a potential rental company run by an FSU native. You still face the problem of low standards and expectations common among those who grew up under the Soviet system.

I've posted my website in the Classified Ad section or you can PM me for more info.

[CA Traveler]

Discovered a couple of things over the past few days...

1. Delta's new flight from JFK offers some real cost savings to Kiev. I found June R/T fares from $787, all inclusive. Mostly fares were $837 or $887, but still reasonable.
2. Booked a flight with a travel agent for a friend coming from Kiev to Odessa in July and back in August, R/T fare was $110 in total! This compares to the old web fares of $170 R/T... so much for direct booking to save money. BUT, Aerosvit's on-line booking, at least to and from ODS, has been down for the last month or so... maybe that is why!
3. I have to make a return to the States for a quick trip, but for varoius reasons I had to book a one-way fare. The Aerosvit webpage only offered one-way if in biz class... $1,500 PLUS taxes/fees. When I called them directly they offered a $1,064 all inclusive biz class fare. Another example that the Aerosvit website is not the best way to go.

I suggest either calling a travel agent to book your Aerosvit flights or spring for the int'l call and call Aerosvit directly in Kiev and have them book it. They can set it up to be ticketed when you arrive in Kiev if you plan to continue to Odessa or another city, but you 'll have the reservation in any case. FYI, do not expect to get a same day reservation/flight from Kiev to ODS in July or August. They will be booked both ways!

[Cruiser D]

What dates in June are you traveling CaT? I couldn't find anything under 1.2k on Delta's webpage.

Air travel is getting really expensive. That should really hit tourism hard in places like the Ukraine. ;)

[Durbain]

Here's a link to a map of Odessa that has street names in both English and Ukrainian:
http://www.lemko.org/maps/cities/odesa/index.html

I found many that were considerably worse.

Following on CA Traveler's suggestion below...

Does anyone have experience with reputable travel agencies in Kiev? Odessa? Ones that can be entrusted with making arrangements/purchases of tickets for local flights? Providers of local English- or French-speaking guides for day excursions / translation (for a newbie to Ukraine, with no Russian/Ukrainian language skills like me)?

Thanks.


Discovered a couple of things over the past few days...

...the Aerosvit website is not the best way to go.

I suggest either calling a travel agent to book your Aerosvit flights or spring for the int'l call and call Aerosvit directly in Kiev and have them book it. They can set it up to be ticketed when you arrive in Kiev if you plan to continue to Odessa or another city, but you 'll have the reservation in any case. FYI, do not expect to get a same day reservation/flight from Kiev to ODS in July or August. They will be booked both ways!

[CA Traveler]

cd... I called Delta directly, but it also could because I was originating in Kiev. It could also be that Delta saw the high prices on the Aerosvit website and decided to increase their prices yesterday. When I called Aerosvit they gave me a fare of like $550 all included for a one-way to JFK. Delta's was only on one combination of days, most were in the mid-$800 range.

Durbain... I have a travel agent that I use here and most of the people speak English, but unless you are here I doubt it would do you any good. UkeBoy recommended an agency in Kiev on that thread just recently.

[Karma Police]

Here's a pretty good map of Odessa in English:

http://travel-2-ukraine.com/information/maps/odessa/odessa-screen.htm
Arcadia is on the lower right and it looks Plieva is somewhat close, although it still may be a long walk depending on the street number.

Here's a much better map:

http://www.comfort.kiev.ua/spravka/map/odessa.php?uamap_cuid=ua4174813947d2d&l=ru&map=odesa&tool_cmd=5&log=0&bereg_z=1&railway=&tram=&house=1&address=1&strt=1&granica_b=1&gidro=1&structur=1&green=1&cemetery=&nsod=1&index_scale=3&map_pix_size=576,720&index_img_size=4&scale=100000&st=33&mc=35.2777587278

It has more details and even covers the suburbs, but the site is really slow and a pain in the ass to navigate. Also its in Russian.

[LongRanger]

In any case, beach or center, I'm sure you will have a great visit to Odessa. IMHO, there is nothing better, er... almost nothing better, than sitting in an outdoor cafe in Odessa and watching the girls walk by... it is a continous stream of beauties that will soon have you realizing the exact "meaning of life!"

Have fun!I really would like to do more than watch them walk pass?

Iv visited Thailand many times and it is so easy to find a good women.
Im looking for a change though and thinking of visiting Odessa this late August 2006.

I get the impression Odessa is not really a pro scene more a pulling scene in the discos and clubs.

I'm not a big fan of loud discos etc, im not a dancer and do not enjoy shouting at people all night, compounded no doubt there by the language problem. I mean how easy is it to pull in these places compared to going out back home?

If you do manage to get one back to your rented apartment, are you still expected to give her something?

[Himself]

Escorts in Odessa :
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Any contacts of blondinka teens in Odessa please ?


Suggest that you go to one of the taxi drivers at the first corner from the irish Pub towards the center.

During my last visit to Odessa in end March I was using a young taxi driver there to help me. (forgot name). I always only make short 2-3 days trips to Odessa, and have no time to go into the freebie market.

The taxi driver was very helpful. I asked me if I wanted a supermodel or just a model. Price for the first was 200USD and for the regular model 100USD for 2 hours in the hotel. I told me that I would go for the supermodel but blonde. We drove to some outskirts, and a nice blond, 22 years old slim lady jumped into the taxi, and then the following happend:

Girl: (Speaking perfect English and studing transport law at the Maritime University). It is 300USD for 3 hours, ok?

Himself: No, driver said 200USD

Girl: You are not american?

Himself: No

Girl: Ok then the price is 200USD

Himself: I think the price is a bit to much. What about 100USD

Girl: No way, where are you from?

Himself: I am from Denmark

Girl: Oh, did yo make the cartoons that the muslims hate now?

Himself: No, but I support the freedom of press.

Girl: In poor Danish "Me too"

Himself: How come you speak some Danish. How come?

Girl: I visted Copenhagen?

Himself: Oh, what did you?

Girl: You idiot?

Himself: Yes, I am. sorry

Girl: Your police sent me back. They were very friendly. I stayed two days in prision before I was deported.

Pause

Girl: 150USD ok? I no like Arabs and muslims and I like your country.

Himself: OK.

Service was execlent. PM for number.

Himself

[Tommasini]

Good job Himself, way to hold your ground in negotiations! I had a similar thing happend to me this last New Years in Odessa. An expat buddy of mine set me up with a working girl for an agreed upon price of $100. After she is dropped off (by my expat Odessan local), she starts attempting to renegotiate the deal to $300!

After 40 minutes of watching her smoke cigs and drinking my champagne, I told her to get my money out of her purse. Now! Greed was more important to her than customer service? Anyway, on the verge of considering the use of "my back-hand" on her. Better inteligence let me consider my money refunded and a trip to Palladium might be a better option.compared to a potential appoach by the local nationalistic - and corrupt - Ukrainian police!

Her name is Nastya. And watch out for her guys. She is not worth the trouble!

[Karma Police]

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Any contacts of blondinka teens in Odessa please ?Are you sure these girls are escorts? I'm not familiar with the internet dating ritual in Russia/Ukraine, but most of those profiles specifically say they're not looking for a sponsor. One even says she won't respond to messeges asking for sex. Most of them do say they're looking for either long term sex or one night stands. Seems like they're just regular girls looking to hook up?

[CA Traveler]

KP... You're absolutely correct. That was my thought exactly.

Himself... Just so you know, any taxi driver will take you to find a girl. The cost is typically $100 for one hour... Mama gets $35, taxi, $30, girl $35. This is why if you use a driver, it makes obvious sense to get the girl's number so you can call her again. PLUS, she will always have friends, who will jump at a $40 or $50 offer. $150-$200 is a typical price for all night, maybe 6-8 hours unless you really click with the girl

LR... My comment is based to several things... First, you are correct, ODS is not a place to visit for "in-your-face" P4P like Thailand or in someways Moscow. AND, it will never be like Thailand, which as a resident, makes me very happy.

Secondly, maybe I'm just getting old, but I find it difficult to screw 24/7 and on top of that I find it very relaxing to sit in the shade of a big tree in an outdoor cafe on a warm day sipping a drink watching the endless parade of the most beautiful white girls you've ever seen walk by... one after another. IMHO, it helps to prime the pump! :) If you have never thought about it, I invite you to try it and then make a judgment instead of poo-pooing it out of hand. Of course, it never hurts to chat up the girls in the cafes. Two of my recent guests, went home with a different girl every night, but YMMV.

Also, in the summer, the beach clubs are a little different from most clubs that we are used to in that they are outdoors and the smoke is not a problem and the dance floor is loud, but the clubs are large enough that the table areas and usually the bar areas are quieter.

[Doctor_Skank]

Are you sure these girls are escorts? I'm not familiar with the internet dating ritual in Russia/Ukraine, but most of those profiles specifically say they're not looking for a sponsor. One even says she won't respond to messeges asking for sex. Most of them do say they're looking for either long term sex or one night stands. Seems like they're just regular girls looking to hook up?Escorts in Odessa:

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KP:

Based on their profiles, I would say most of them are pros. In my experience, most girls who post that they are looking for: "с Парнем, с Девушкой, с Парой М+Ж, с Парой М+М или с Парой Ж+Ж" (which means hoping to meet men, women, couples, groups of women, groups of men) are somehow on the take, especially if they post nude pictures of themselves. Even if they say they arent looking for a sponsor, often they are.

Its not always true, but I get the impression it usually is when writing to these kind of girls myself, whether in Moscow, Kiev, St.Pete, Odessa or elsewhere. Remember, a girl with that kind of profile will have hundreds of men write her every week. They usually filter out 95% of the men instantly based on looks, age, race or perceived wealth. Of the 5% that are left over, they may screw some for free out of curiousity (maybe they do like foreigners) or lust (if you are really good-looking) or hope for potential gain (if you seem generous or long-term boyfriend/sponsorship material).

Quite often if you write these girls they will write back within a relatively short time with a mobile number and a price.

It's worth a try though, at worst you'll get no answer at all, you may get a contact to a delightful "semi-pro" or maybe she really is just a freak who loves "doin' the nasty." I've met all kinds off of that site.

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:

"... Just so you know, any taxi driver will take you to find a girl. The cost is typically $100 for one hour... Mama gets $35, taxi, $30, girl $35"

I used this "service" once 2 years ago (although the price was less, I think about $70/hour), and the driver went to get 4 girls to choose from for me and my friend. We both chose decent-looking girls who both turned out to be utter disasters service-wise. Mine claimed to be sick and pregnant after 15 minutes of sex and my buddy's was very inexperienced and terrified. We had a good laugh the next day about it. I assume that both girls were picked up from the line-up down by the port, although mine apparently also had connections to the Irish Pub somehow, since she was talking about it.

Do the taxi drivers usually get their stock from the port line-up, or are there other sources for this kind of service?

Last I checked by the way (2 years ago), girls at the port line-up cost $35/hour, corresponding to your price indication. I also remember the port girls being a pretty motely bunch.... one of the rare occassions where I really thought not once or twice about what I was doing but 4 or 5 times. Any recent experience? Or is the port still more or less a nogo?

[CA Traveler]

doc... My experience with the taxi was limited to picking one up at the port after checking it out with guido888 and then heading a little west of the center to a street that apparently had many working girls based in the apartment buildings. So, from that I would say that the girls I had from a taxi definitely did not come from the port... thank God!

The port seems to be the place to go for a girl to make some easy cash. That said, I've seen a couple of fairly cute girls but not normal Ukr standard there on the three or four times I've been there. Never taken a girl though because I was ignored. Maybe I just couldn't figure out who the mama was to start the conversation.

Did see a girl in the Irish Pub at the port whose photo was posted on ISG. That said, I normally stay far away from the port and will only go if I have someone who insists on visiting it as a "tourist" spot!

I'm not sure about those girls who list all sorts of combos on the various Internet sites. I think sometimes they just tend to click everything to open up more alternatives for themselves. But you know what they say about most FSU girls. They are always looking to either upgrade or pad their wallet if they can... so with that definition, I guess you could say they all are at least "semi-pros" because we all pay whether it is in one lump sum or spread out over the evening... i.e. your many sushi dinners, etc.

[Himself]

Just to clarify further on my post below regarding using the taxi drivers for fetching some talent:

It was not a pick up from the port. We drove about 10 min to the outskirts somewhere and the talent came out of an apartment block

I am aware of that the girls have to share the money. I guess they always have. Even if you call them directly, the pimp will still control the girls whereabouts. I guess that why they often wants to make private encounters during daytime, where an excuse to escape from the pimp's sight for a few hours might be easier to find.

The taxi driver was by the way very nervous. He said that a LE crack down was in progress during the nights I stayed in ODS

Stayed in Hotel Continental. Fully GF. No questions. No extras. Only smiles. Hotel is relative new and renovated. Good location. Rooms ok, but restaurant is crap. No bar or discos or WG inside the hotel.

Himself

[CA Traveler]

Last year I had a heck of a time getting from Moscow to Odessa and back. Aerosvit just this month began non-stop 737 service between Odessa and Moscow. It will fly 5 days per week this summer. This will make it much easier for someone who wants to do both ODS and Moscow in the same trip. Plus, it will make it easier for the RU girls to get to ODS!

[Eros74]

http://www.sergeyv.com/

I found this link with some fotos of city, anybody found or have inside foto of diskos and girls and can share them?

[CA Traveler]

VV, I haven't seen any change since last summer, unless you want to buy an apartment, but even those are still pretty reasonable compared to other Black See resort areas or Kiev or Moscow.

Lukasek.... I can see you are already thinking about your trip to ODS this summer! Hopefully, you can help keep guido888 on the straight and narrow! He gets so easily sidetracked!

[XXXsportsman]

Not much of a report, but when I was there in 2003 I spent some nights at Arcadia area. Never asked any of the girls at the discos there if they were pro/semi pro, but I think some of them were. A lot of the time (unfortunately) I spent time with a local guy as "wingman", but he did not have much of a clue as to the "scene" in Odessa.

I guess when you don't have any money like him you don't notice things like someone with money does. He was a "nice" guy but way to stupid to be much of a help.

Got food poisoned. Went somewhere else eventually. But DID sample a few girls from the harbour area. $50, 2 hrs. I made sure to tell them that they were gonna do a good BBBJ and they did at my place. Apartment rented one week from the local guy. 18 years old blondie who did a "minjet" was good.

Although I met quite a few girls at Arcadia, no action there. A couple of times girls seemed very angry at me for speaking English at them. Possible they believed (at least 2 did) that I was lying about being from my western European country - Norway. I blame the local guy I was with. On some occasions he said he was from Italy or something and the girls thought we were full of shit. Hehe.

Some of the girls was VERY greedy as far as me buying them ice-cream and drinks. I tried to be careful about that.

Anyway, this summer I am quite sure I will be back. This time I will make more of an effort at the Arcadia area and try avoid food poisoning.

Look forward to reading more reports by CA traveler and other "pervs" ahead of my trip this year!

Keep up the good work. Yeah, and is there a disco at Arcadia which is best as far as meeting young sluts? Not Ibiza I understand. Maybe CA traveler has an idea?

XXX sportsman

[Eros74]

I am here sitting at home with cold czech beer in my hand after the first day of warm weather and good sun of this year.

I enjoy to think that when I was in Brazil, I was one of the few mongers who complain the low quality of girls there,missing the east europe quality and then in Moscow and Piter missing the sea and the beach's life, so I think ODS can be wonderful cause has both, good quality girls and sun and sea.

Simply I cannot wait to be there and to drink the first beer with You and Guido888 enjoying the magic view of Ukranian girls.

I get from net, rosettastone and pimsleur, both very good lesson course in my opinion, and I try hardly to learn some russian, I think this is the key that can make big difference out there.

And I am not sure I understood you well,but I think I will get side-tracked too with all the blondes girls there..

Da... Ja prosto NEmogu zdat... :)

[Tommasini]

I hear you man! That food poisoning sucks! The same thing happened to me at Sheremetyevo airport last year, trying to get a connecting flight to Kiev.

I missed my flight because some airport official heard my English, and assumed I was going to New York! There goes my flight to Kiev?? Then, $120 later after buying another ticket. An airport hamburger leaves me battling "Stalin's revenge" as I am going through customs? I nearly shit my pants! ha-ha

Good luck this summer dude.. Bring the pink medicine with you just in case!

[Guido88]

CA Traveler & Lucasek

Looking forward to joining you both for this summer for the festivities.

A quick note on the port Tochka, the couple of times I was there last October the quality was very skanky and old. For me not worthwhile.

After the combined assistance of 4 cab drivers found a micro-mini Tochka (4 girls) about 1.5 blocks from the port Tochka in front of a big hotel. A mamasan and 4 girls in a car, the girls $150 a night. Quality was 18-20 years old and pretty good, much better than the port.

Guido88

[Yoni61]

Thinking about Odessa in July. From previous posts 2006 prices are not clear. Any updates?

[Yoni61]

Been to Asia over 20+ times. China good, Thailand overrated, Phillipines underrated. I realize this is comparing apples to oranges but what can one expect in terms of service, GFE, prices and other BS.

[Himself]

I think much of it depends on your persistance and patience.

If something like 2 out of 3 ladies are surviving on $100 to
$150 a month, how many of them would be willing to accept
a sponsorship from a friendly foreigner?

The talent is certainly there, but connecting with 8's and 9's
and even 10's takes some finesse and imagination.

They will throw plenty of 5's and 6's at you, and its really only
up to you whether to settle for that level, which may depend
on your level of sobriety, or your determination to keep sending
them back. If you keep on insisting that you're willing to invest
more to get access to better higher quality, sooner or later
its likely to pay off dividends. Just know it could take 2 weeks
to really find a treasure or two.

In other words, the difference between experienced all-business
pros, and amateur GFE university student types.

Bez,

Agree to a lot of above, but I guess, although you are fully right that the average income is somewhere around 150 USD (may be 200USD), it is a mistake to compare this to the income of a WG, who is making much more money (at least the good looking ones who can catch expacts).

I would say: Expect to pay from 100-200 USD for say 2-3 hours for a 8-9 looking girl, and upto a 100, maximum 150 USD for a 5-6 looking girl. My advise is: It can be difficult to get the price below 150 USD for a 8-9 looking girl, but it might be easier to get her to accept an extension of the time to 4 hours instead, and when you have got the 4 hours in place for the USD 150 then through another 50USD on top and suggest that she stays all night. Most will accept this as they need or want the USD and the night is anyway gone.

To find freebees in ODS is difficult. Kiev is much easier (or I know better where to look in Kiev). However, I disagree that you need time to catch some freebee talent. I would rather say that you need LUCK. Last visit to ODS for me was only 2 nights long and I had no plans to find a freebee, because I knew it wad going to be difficult, but when I had a beer in a bar somewhere in the centre, ups there she is - the freebee - suddenly besides me with some friends at the bar, ready and availible without notice or any efforts spend from my side. At other visits I spends weeks in ODS, hunting with no result and had to turn to P4P....

just my 2 cents

Himslef

[CA Traveler]

himself... I think you are way overstating the cost... perhaps that is the pricing in Kiev, but here in Odessa, I think it would be more like $50 for a 6 or 7 and maybe a $100 for the higher quality, but as someone said, at that point the real key is pinpointing exactly who is working. I can get laid every night for $50 and they'll stay the night for $150. These are not girls I know either, I get those for much less.

As the summer comes, there are many girls who come from outside ODS who are working to pay for their summer at the beach. There are some real beauties in that bunch, but being a local doesn't help identify them and you'll have to talk to them to find out what they are looking for.

I went with a group to Vercherskaya Odessa, Nighttime Odessa, club on Tuesday night and it was rocking. Not a kiddy crowd but everyone was having a good time.

Beach clubs open this weekend so I imagine things will begin to shift towards the clubs there.

[Bez Bezarra]

I disagree that you need time to catch some talent.

I would rather say that you need LUCK.



Yes, but what always seems to happen, is that it takes
some time to turn bad luck into good.

And I'm not really talking about freebies OR pros. I'm talking about
connecting with the sweet dyevs who are almost ready to take the
plunge with a new sponsoring foreigner, but they're just waiting for
the right opportunity. There are plenty of willing average plain janes
that I could have jumped on, but to me, that's too easy.

There's no challenge or sport in flying around the fucking world only
to settle for average. That DOES include freebies and pros. I mean,
it is possible, if you can speak a little, to ask some very average
looking shop girl out on a date, and making a pass at her, you may
get lucky.

Trampling over some simple girl's emotions with your filthy
drunken debaucherous desires isn't that difficult to accomplish,
but only a vile bastard who cares nothing for the motherland
would give a girl like that a thrill only to spew on her face and
then trash her. When she is such a dog that you are ashamed
of yourself for defiling her with your rotten seed and scurrying
back to your buddies, you've lost all respect and don't holden to
the Mongers Code of Cocksmanship.

And if you wanna slide your salami into all the lower quality pros
just to show everybody that you're mister macho sluts-fucker, or
to prove to yourself that you are some jedi master of the cash-
for-*****s-blow job exchange theory of the universe, then do
what you need to do.

Getting past the 5's and 6's to the 8's and 9's really does take time
when you're just an old average joe without connections, and not a
local or a player.

[Eros74]

After a hard working weekend finally I found some links with fotos of Odeca.

For all those, as me, would like to see how is out there and as me...simply cannot wait to be there. :)

Enjoy:

http://photo.odessa.net/photo/Odessa/

http://fondest.narod.ru/

http://pano.odessa.net/home/download/wallpapers/page1

http://www.odecca.com/od_fotogallery.php?GalleryCatID=9

http://www.photoart.kiev.ua/pab/pab5/ukraine/Odessa/index.html

[Ffmbud]

Just got back from a week in Odessa and rented a flat from CAT's Odessa Group. It was smooth, I used the VIP service and airport pickup/drop off option from them as well. The flat was right downtown, walking distance from nearly any place I went or a short $2 cab ride and the beach clubs are a $4-5 cab ride. CAT and his partner, really nice folks, were always available 24/7 to point me in the right direction and give me advise, from where to buy groceries, what to pay the cab drivers, to where to go for mongering. The flat was well appointed, clean, comfortable, safe and you can't beat the rates compared to any of the hotels in Odessa. Except for one day when it was cloudy, the rest of the time the sun was out and it was enough to get a tan sitting in the sidewalk cafe/restaurants watching the wild life go by. I didn't have a lunch tab over $10 the whole time I was there or dinner over $20 at upscale restaurant (probably could do dinner for $10 at mid range places).

Unlike Moscow, the people are friendly and the girls are smiling all the time and the pace is much more relaxed. The cops don't seem to be shaking anyone down, I guess they realize that tourism is the main money maker for Odessa, so why kill the goose. I watched some druken babe at a disco in town, get kindly escorted out after she knocked down some chairs and glasses off her table. Even the security folks were very gentle with her. Hell in Moscow they would have carried her out and threw her on the sidewalk.

By the way, the beach clubs are open now and the Friday night crowd of babes at the Ibiza Club was overwhelming with a ratio of girls to guys of at least 4:1, dressed hot and sexy! If you want to have a table on the weekends I suggest you go in the afternoon to reserve and pay a deposit for choice tables. I paid a $100 for a table deposit, which assures you come and then when you close the tab, they deduct the entry fee ($12 a head) and return the cash balance to you with the bar/food tab. I had food and drinks all night (knocked off two bottles of vodka and half a dozen beers with girls) and the tab came to $80 including the entry fee (tell me you can touch that in Moscow or Kiev or any other EE city). Friday and Saturday nights at the clubs include a show of hotly dressed dancers during the music and dancing. The club opens up for seating at 11:30 and the place is quite until about 1 am when suddenly the place is packed with babes. It's open until the sun rises, I left at 5 am. The girls told me that now that the beach clubs are open the city clubs will be dead or closed on the weekends at least.

I am ready to go back and do a repeat soon, if CAT can get me a room, I hear he's book up solid in July already.

[CA Traveler]

ffmb... Thanks! We enjoyed it too... July is not quite full...yet! :)

VV... perhaps you didn't notice the long post on Beach vs. Center apartments that I posted on 1 May? Like in RU, every place is ripe for approaching girls. A girl who doesn't even seem to be paying attention will light up like a lighthouse if you approach her and talk to her. Most Westerners are waaay too meek when it comes to approaching EE girls. They expect the man to make the first move.

Luk... it won't be long!

[CA Traveler]

If your name is John and if you plan to come to ODS on 2 August for 13 nights and if your full initials are JTC and your email ends in tesco.net... Your current phone number rings at a house you've moved from... AND your email doesn't work! SO... I've done all I can do! The ball's in your court! :)

[Eros74]

Good idea, may be can be a new topic here or in Russia section.

-How do you do?
You start with such sentences as:" hi how are you?", " hi do you speak english?", " where are you going?", "what is your name?" or something different?

-Where do you do?
Only in clubs and disko or also during the day,every time you see a nice devushka? You favourite places to find them besides the discos?

-When do you do?
When she will look to your eyes or even if she did not notice you?

-The strangest place and way you picked up a EE beauty?

P.S. Ca_T I totally agree with you,me too sometimes I discover to be so shy and meek when it comes to start to speak to beauty and never said better as in this case....carpe diem..or russian man can do what you was thinking about and it will be too late.

[CA Traveler]

luk... doc has written several excellent reports on picking up FSU girls. Not sure where they are but I imagine you'll find them in the RU or Ukr posts.

My chatting them up is pretty much limited to... "Skolka" (How much?)
Kak Dolga? (how long?) Skidka? (discount?)

[Ffmbud]

CAT, how about

ya hachu tibya" (I want to have you)?

menya zavut.....(my name is....)
ochen priyatna (nice to meet you)
kak vas zavut (what's your name)
ty mne ochen nravishsya (I like you a lot)
khatit vypit samnoy (would you like a drink)
ya lyublyu tibya (I love you)
pravda (it's the truth)
ya seryozen (I'm serious about you)

ty krasivaya (you're beautiful)
ty klassnaya (you're fantastic)
klassnaya popka (nice ass)
patseluy menya (kiss me)

If you get past this stage then you might want to use these

aden preservativ (use a condom)
yazykom (use your tongue)
ni astanavlivaysa (don't stop)

[Eros74]

Ca_T thanks, I red almost all the post of Doc techniques,but it seems they work only with him..

Three short but very important questions. :)

Ffmbud you forgot this: patseluy menya...bjez preservativ! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Hi Lukasek!

Glad you enjoyed my previous posts on picking up EE women... sorry my advice didnt work for you... but it doesnt always work for me either! :) I think the most important thing is to keep trying, keep approaching women and be confident, happy and resilient!

Everybody has their own methods and I would be interested to hear from others on this subject too.... when I read about other people doing well with EE girls it always inspires me to try harder!

To your questions, here just a couple of comments:

"-How do you do? "

It doesnt matter so much how you start, but that you do start! Really I agree with you...it is sometimes a big question what to say to open a conversation. Of course you can simply say "privet" or perhaps simply speak English... usually if she likes you (I mean if you pass her face control check) a conversation will start. It is keeping the conversation going that is the challenge, especially if she only speaks Russian. I think it depends on the situation and the context.

A couple of my favorites:
* "shto mi piyom?" - what are WE drinking?
* "kak tebya zavut?" - whats your name? ( I know it is simple, but it works!)
* "ti mne nravitsia" - you please me (I like you)

Another thing I like to do is say something in English and when she doesnt understand, say it in Russian. The important thing is to establish any conversation. Also, if in a club situation and the night is young, you dont need to latch onto her like an obsessed stalker. I will often meet a girl and then leave her with her friends for awhile... maybe making occasional eye contact with her or coming by to say hi again to show interest, or asking her if she wants something to drink. Keep her interested and stay a bit mysterious. Of course if she is very interested in you, you can just stay with her and work that angle, but in a casual situation, especially if communication is difficult, it can sometimes be clever to give her a little room to breathe.

"-Where do you do?"
Any place is the right place to meet a girl. Some of my favorites are clubs (more girl per square meter than anyplace else), the internet, in shops where they are working (must be careful that their manager doesnt get angry) or simply on the street. The best places are at birthday parties or big Russian parties where there is lots of drinking and dancing. You know the type of party, with a big table and 20-30 guests. It is almost impossible to go home alone from one of these... :) Of course concerts and events are great too.

"-When do you do?"
Try to make eye contact and if she looks back, look back and smile. If she doesnt notice you, try to find a situation to approach her. One way or another, you will have to approach her. Sometimes I also dance to get noticed in general. Making a joke always makes a good impression to, as does things like opening doors etc.

"-The strangest place and way you picked up a EE beauty?"
The strangest place? I have met girls on the plane before, but mostly I meet girls in the conventional places, like clubs or internet. I have also banged the daughter of a guy I was renting an apartment from, banged the daughter of the cleaning lady cleaning an apartment and even banged my rental agent from the agency I rented from... so there really are a lot of reasons to rent apartments instead of staying in hotels! :)

I guess the most important things are:
* smile- look happy!
* confidence- look like you own the world or at least are happy in it!
* approach girls- talk to girls, approach them... only rarely will girls approach you.
* be aggressive, but gentlemanly- you can be aggressive and forward without being too aggressive. If you start giving the girls the feeling that you think they are slutz or *****z, they will usually drop you.
* break the rules... there are no rules in love and war.

[Brotherrabitt]

If you gents allow me, I would like to make some remarks re EE girls in a thread of a country I have never visited. I often go to Warsaw and Budapest and for the sake of the argument, let's say these are also in Eastern Europe (however the political correct thing would be to call Poland and Hungary Central Europe, specially in their face).

Over the last years I have been relatively succesfull in developing long term relations with EE girls, without making promisses, and withou paying anything more than the occasional dinner etc. I am no Brad Pitt, 44 yo and have no problem dating women who can easily be considered to be quite beautiful by any standard (unless you like them big, fat, sloppy with black teeth, compared to these type of girls, my girlsfriends are dogs).

When visiting PL and HU for the first time, I observed how local men are behaving, trying to see if I could learn from them. Now I am sure I will get flamed by the local board members, but men in general, even the young ones, treat their women like shit when going out; they do not control their booze, if they are with some other friends, the women are ignored, slobs and rude bastards (40 years of womens' lib have had an effect on me I regret to say).

The women in general accept their behaviour (economics maybe?), but it does not mean that they are happy with it. At the same time, the women in EE are still fairly conservative as far as the traditional man-woman roles is concerned.

So for me the right mix has always been to still be a "real man" without the bad behaviour, keep my booze under control, not be a pussy, but neither taking them for granted.

The other thing is how to make the initial contact. The most difficult step to make in my experience. Nice women get hit on all the time by guys, offering them drinks, trying to talk to them, etc etc. So going down this avenue did not do me any good, you are just one of many.

A girl once in a bar in Tel Aviv wrote me a note, gave it to the barman to pass it on to me, I was shocked and surprised, never happened to me, we exchanged some notes and we had wild sex on the beach afterwards. The lesson learned for me: this is the way to make a first contact, write the girl a note, let the barman give it to her and see how she reacts. The advantages: it doen not happen very often to girls that a guy makes contact with them this way (all of them so far told me it had never happened to them), women consider it sweet (ie non-threatening), it is creative and if they reject you, you do not have to bear the grunts and snorts from fellow hunters thinking you are a loser. Disadvantages: none so far.

It works for me each an every time I try it, always, wherever I am. You exchange some notes, try to be funny and not too direct of course, and after a while go over and talk to them. The ice is broken, you have already made your mark without opening your mouth, Regardless of how "cool" they try to behave, they are thrilled and are anxiously awaiting your next message.

By the time you start to talk to them in real, they are "old friends", the basis of a good conversation is made. And in Poland I hit on a girl this way who did not even speak english, her friends translated the messages and wrote them for her, she gave me her mobile no without me asking for it, we met for coffee and I am still seeing her, 16 months later, on a regular basis. She speaks english now, and I am always "happy" to leave poland, as I am exhausted because of lack of sleep (my old age you know). Hungary same thing never a problem.

So to cut a very long story short, contact them in a non-threatening way, be considerate and control your booze, do not be a pussy. Be creative.

Have fun

Pleasure

[Big Bro AJ]

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=336560&postcount=2258

Field guide from Doc the master

[Brotherrabitt]

BBAJ

Can not open this link, you sure this is correct ?

Have fun

Pleasure

[Irish Lad]

Hello all,

I'll be back in Odessa next Thursday ( June 1st) for a long weekend if anyones around. I like to hit the Irish pub for a few drinks before setting out to Arkadia for the real work.

During the day, watching the talent walk by is my favourite hobby. Anyway, the Black sea is colder than the Irish sea at the moment.

As per usual I have overplanned but know when it comes to it, it'll more than likely be freestyle. I usually devote some time to research so please feel free to PM me if you'ld like any venues/girls checked out.

IL

[Doctor_Skank]

IL:

Kindly check out the normal Arkadia venues... early June is early season, but generally I find early season better than late season (August)... will be in ODS myself in mid-June, so any recon is appreciated.

Big Bro:

You are too kind, I do not feel like a master, just an astute student... but even I have to laugh when reading Tactical Considerations in Candyland. When mongering, it is important to have fun and never forget "You the Man". When reading of your Moscow and Istanbul adventures, I wish I was there to join you.

Lets face it guys, it's great to be a monger... :)

[Eros74]

Hi Doc, yes I agree with you that the challenge is to keeping the conversation going, remember? In Piter you spoke for long time with the girls in Rossi's and I did not understand what you was talking about for so much time? :)

I also totally agree that the best way is to have short fast conversation and then leave and may be comeback again after half hour. Everything to avoid them understand we are after midnight horny bulls. :)

Look happy and self-confident are very important too, you are handsome, (and it is a big plus too..may be the reason why your advices did not work with me :) ) but I think,as you noticed in Piter, the biggest mistake I did, is that I always said I was in holiday, or to find girlfriend, and never told I was in business travel. I prefer to tell the truth, but it does not work so much.

So dear members, what do you answer,when the girls ask you why you are in EE???

[Irish Lad]

Hi,

I always say I am there on business. It avoids the "sex tourist" perception, the "looking for a wife as I can't find one at home" stigma and is as safe an answer as you can get.

It also sets you up as a man of means and a good fish to catch.

Dr. I'll gladly check out Itaka and Ibiza. Full reports of course afterwards.

IL

[Bez Bezarra]

Its the most important thing,
more than anything
how to make the initial contact.

The lesson is,
write the girl a note,
let the barman give it to her
and see how she reacts.

It works every time, always.



This is like telling us that if we just know
the "magic words" of the perfect pick-up line,
every girl we say them to will automatically
strip naked and fuck.

But you didn't reveal the magic words of your note.
Just saying we should 'be creative', well sorry,
that ain't quite enough.

Tell us what's the note say.

No long explanations, clarifications, arguments, bullshit, etc.

Just your note, what's it say.

[Brotherrabitt]

Hi Bez,

Did I [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off or something ? I wrote what I do to pick up girls and that it works for me, nothing "magic" of universal about it. Never made that claim, and am not arrogant enough to claim that now. Do with it what you want, if it works for you or not I have no idea, I do not know you or the type of women you are after. It worked for me, it's up to you to believe me or not, but no need to put words in my mouth about claiming to have the magic words, never said that, and would never presume I know them, however rest assured that if I would know them, I would have shared them with you, this board is not about competition.

Now to answer your question, and no apologies offered, but it will not be short.

Or maybe I will keep it short, people either understand the "mars vs. venus" thing or they don't. It's not what you write, but the fact that you write that counts, write a poem, ask her to dance, compliment her necklace, or eyes, write a dirty joke, whatever, I do not even remember my first lines I wrote. Again nothing magic about the message.

Used it 5 times, scored 5 times, that's a 100 % for me. Is it statistically significant, is it magic, did I claim it will work for me always with any girl anytime in the future ? Think not. Will it work for you ? No idea. Is there a risk to try ? Do not think so, but it's a free world, do what you want.

And Bez, you got a problem with my name, or you're just having a bad day ?

Have fun

Pleasure

[Irish Lad]

Hi,

Try www.destiny.com.ua

I'll post some links here and see if they work. The "girls" often renew their profiles after a few weeks for some reason. Write to a few and you'll get an auto response with price, time and tel.number.


http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=67788797&oid=67788797&photos_a=1

http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=65540276

These both answered. You'll get a lot of "send money" responses too so if you're not in to spending too much time on the internet then PM me if you want some numbers.

I'll give the ones I have and any I collect next week.

IL

[Eros74]

Pleasure02:
Hi, I agree, it is a original way to start an approach to girls and to be original with them it is important too. I tried few times to send them,not few lines, but a glass of wine, and it seems to work too,even if as Doc said, keeping on the conversation is more important than how do you start it.

Irish Laid:
Ciao, I was in czech and slovak republic 54 times in the last 8 years and always worked for me to say that I am looking for girlfriend,but these two states are pretty close to mine and I speak czech, so I always told I had girlfriend.

But you are right, they every time asked me why I will not find her at home, I argued italian women are selfish that do not appreciate their men and this is not a lie,cause one of the reason why we like so much EE girls,is that are simply the best, just my opinion.

However it is pretty hard to argue why go so far,in UA, to search for wife, so I think I will say I will be there for business.

But,and here my question for you, which kind of business you tell them are you doing in UA?

I wish you a good hunting and many nice girls in your arms! :)

I, and surely not me, looking forward to your report and your foto!

Udachu

[Irish Lad]

Hi,

I always say "property business". It's short, self explanatory and says enough. If they ask more, then I express my belief that the Ukraine will do very well in the future. That certainly always opens the door for continued conversation. I am often disagreed with but I find that then I get to shut up for 5 minutes while they tell me why it won't.

Either way it presents yourself as an optimistic guy who plans for the future.

I wish you too the best of luck. As always, full reports afterwards. I don't usually do photos, but I'll try this time.

IL

[CA Traveler]

Lukasek... if you haven't communicated with guido, you need to. Then PM me and I'll lay out the options for you. I suggest not wasting time though... Summer's coming fast! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Just a comment on getting numbers of pros off of the dating sites like destiny.com.ua or love.mail.ru (which both are actually the same website BTW), I personally find it is best to do the research and getting phone numbers no more than 10 days before your trip. Numbers, girls etc. change fairly quickly... if you collect numbers 3 months before your trip you cannot expect any of the numbers to still be in use when you arrive. Of course many of the girls are working for agencies as well, which you can determine by their automated response.

In terms of freebies I also find it best to not start too early. In my experience, their interest peaks 2-3 days after initial contact (sometimes earlier) and if your trip is still weeks off, it is hard to keep them interested for long, especially considering they probably get 100 guys writing them everyday, at least while their profile is "fresh".

Irish Lad:

I also always use property business/real estate as my "cover"... so I guess Odessa will be crawling with sex-hungry property developers... :)

And I really must say again, always always say you are on business... this seems even more important in Ukraine where people are much more sensitive about sex tourists than Russia.

[CA Traveler]

I just say I live here... :)

[Rodney Munch]

this is an interesting conversation and given my polish background i think i can make a contribution. i grew up in a fairly traditional polish family which is closely aligned with russians/ukrainians. all slavic relationships with women are strikingly different from those in the west. along with pleasure, i think any creative way of meeting a girl is effective. i do not mean to brag, but the girls we picked up in odessa were unbelievable and we got them only because we walked in like we had nothing to lose and just went for it.

from numerous trips to budapest, bulgaria and prague the main thing with these chicks is that you are expected to make contact. they are taught from a very young age that a man is a hunter and if you look at a man to seduce him you are perceived as a *****. be confident, go after what you want and always think about the fact that you have nothing to lose and everyone is out just having a good time anyway.

the other often overlooked item is the dress code. if you want to get an idea of odessa's nightlife i found a page which i posted a couple of posts ago. if you do not dress well in ee when going out you will be starting out handicapped. i always dress well but when going on trip i usually buy a bunch of modern, european design shirts, etc and make sure the clothes do not look shabby or not ironed. the first thing a girl will go by when seeing you is what you are wearing. this is a huge factor when it comes to her deciding to talk to you or not, regardless of how you initiate contact. it is also fairly easy in these places to create the illusion of you having money, whether you have it or not. like asking a girl to sit down with you and have a bottle of champagne with you. they are totally not used to local guys doing that since not so many can afford it. plus, they don't have to do that to get dyevs anyway so this is another very effective way for pickups. the worst thing is she'll drink champagne and walk away but the damage is no more than $20 - $30 per bottle (make sure to get the cheap one). at home two martinis go for about the same price so wasting a bottle is not a worry but the reality is that this will work most of the time. even if the girl declines, she will do it very politely in this instance will still remember you if you run into her again. when we were in varna, we were running into the same chicks every night. same thing in odessa., even if nothing happens with her that night, if you run into her again you can start a conversation almost like you know each other.

finally, there was mentioning already of the best defense for “what are you doing in odessa?” question which inevitably will come up. i agree, if you say you are on vacation, as a single male you will always be placed in sex tourist / wife searching category. which is not who a typical 19 year old beauty wants to spend time with. however, if you say you are on business this of course improves you odds. yet, i think most girls in ee are not as stupid as we think, especially i would imagine in a port city like odessa no one will be impressed with ‘business man in real estate’ speech. i like to take this a bit further, which is another benefit of renting private apartments when you can simply say you are in odessa on business, you do business in odessa often and you own the flat in which you are staying. since most of the apartments for rent in any ee city are quiet nice, once the girl sees your apartment she will be further impressed that you own real estate there and spend a lot of time in her city. this solidifies you as a ‘potential sponsor’. i do realize it is not exactly ethical to lie your ass off in such straightforward fashion but this is an extremely effective way to lay any ee chic on the first night. when we were in odessa, we rented a very nice apartment with a sauna inside. i mentioned that i own the place and it was all over. any doubt over whether the girl would sleep with me or not would vaporize with that statement. since the apartment was without any indication of being a rental unit, i simply had to explain the lack of much of personal items inside and mentioned that i have the apartment service i used to manage the place for me but it is the one where i always stay when there on business and can easily move there full time since it’s my own. this technique, if you can call it then of course can backfire in instances such as where the place is clearly owned by someone else, or the girl has already been there with another dude. the odds of the latter are low and given the risk/reward benefit ratio in this case i think it is worth it. anyway, even she has been there with another dude you could always claim that the apartment rental service simply rents it out and manages the place when you are away.

also, can anyone post personal recommendations for which beaches are the best when i odessa? i have found only one page with fairly detailed information on beaches
http://www.odessaapts.com/beaches.asp
can anyone personally recommend the best beach for pickups and just general views / relaxations? also, i have read that there is quiet a bit of pollution in the sea around odessa due to a plant near the city, is it safe to swim?

[Charles XV]

In Odessa there are a lot of girls but few websites
http://www.odessaexecutivesuites.com/
http://www.pups.com.ua/index.php?lang=1

That's all!

I can use love.mail but it's too difficult to have a contact by this way do you know other websites for call-girls ?Heh! Whoever named this girl "Assole"?[Hotlink to Photo deleted by Admin]

The names a real bummer.

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[Ffmbud]

VV,

My experience a few weeks ago, was the cab fare going out to Arkadia beach was 20-30 hrivnas ($4-6). Return at 5 am was about 10 hrivnas ($2) more. There's lots of cabs waiting at the entrance to the beach clubs at all hours. The crowd shows up around 1 am.

Entrance to the club runs about 60 hrivnas ($12) if you get a table. If not I think it was half that.

[Doctor_Skank]

Lukasek and I have been pondering the question of the other discos beyond the Arkadia standards Itaka and Ibiza, which are clearly the most popular places.

In the link posted by VV (thanks for the research), there is a list of the numerous other discos ar Arkadia or in town... why are they not mentioned by other members often or at all? Are they that bad? Or are they a chance to get away from the glam club Ibiza and the central party semi-glam disco Itaka for less-foreigner spoiled girls?

What about other Arkadia clubs like Assol? And why in the hell did they name a club "bunghole"? Do I really have to tell a girl "I want to go to assol with you?" And what if she says yes, should I get out the lube?

In my experience, most discos in Odessa city are closed in the summer when the beach clubs open. Are there however some in city happening places? What about Palladium, Yeyo or Captain Morgan? Vechernaya Odessa?
Or are these places really all dead in the summer?

Just curious if anybody has had any luck anywhere in the summer besides Itaka and Ibiza... which are absolute "must sees" for the Odessa traveller.

[CharlieH]

............... the biggest mistake I did, is that I always said I was in holiday, or to find girlfriend, and never told I was in business travel. I prefer to tell the truth, but it does not work so much.

So dear members, what do you answer,when the girls ask you why you are in EE???

I totally agree with you.

I always tell them I'm on vacation which in hindsight, is a stupid mistake. Girls think you're either a sex tourist or can't find a girlfriend back home. Telling them you're on a business trip shows that at least you have the means or somesort successful ($$$$$$).

So I thought about lying to them but didn't think I could pull it off. I didn't bring a briefcase or a suit when I "vacationed" in Russia.

I'm still trying to figure out what to say to girls (both on the internet before I depart and arrived in motherland).

Just to show how important it is for girls why we're in Russia, I've been chatting with girls online. And the first thing they ask me is usually "why do you want to visit our country?"

They want to hear you have business there (means you'll be around more). Not you love their culture and pizda.

Now the key is to figure out how to lie for us real vacationers :-(

I would really prefer not have to bring a briefcase, business suit, tie and dress shoes when I "vacation" in Russia :-( And most business travelers stay at hotels but I stay at apartments to save money- another givaway.

Any advice from more experienced mongers?

[CharlieH]

I just say I live here... :)

Now this is the best answer!!!!

And Rodney, thanks for sharing your advices. Claiming a rental is your own apartment is great. Shows that you have the money and have established roots in their country.

I think I'll become a real estate developer, too :-)

[Doctor_Skank]

CharlieH:

You certainly dont have to wear a suit and tie while on your Odessan holiday, even if you tell the girls you are on business. I definitely dont wear a suit and tie when I am there in the summer, although in the evening I might wear a casual suit jacket and nice shoes depending on my mood.

Just tell them you are looking to buy property, or invest in a shopping center or are there establishing contacts with the locals. You can always say you finished your business and are now just relaxing and enjoying the sun... they really arent going to be too curious about your work and if they are, just make up some crap.

As for the apartment, just tell them you are thinking about buying apartments and are looking at that one, or tell them your local partners or friends let you stay there.

The main thing is that they believe you are not there JUST for pussy... after all they know everybody, business traveller or otherwise, wants their pussy... and that they think you may come back at some point and are not just there for a couple of days. If they think they are in the driver's seat, they may hold out longer. Remember that you should try to be directing the entire flow of the situation, at least in terms of who is making the decisions.

[Irish Lad]

So we're all Donald Trumps!

As it appears everyone uses or will use this as a cover, I'll be hosting the first meeting of the "investors in Ukraine, property convention" on Thursday evening.

Venue: Irish pub. Odessa. ( O'Neills????)
Time 9pm

IL

[Zinger Burger]

During my visits to EE or while chatting on net with EE girls, I say am an wine expert and I import wines from there to West Europe. I also say I come there to visit the vineyards. Its worked perfectly very well for me ;-) It immediately attracts their attention!

[Gentleman Travel]

I totally agree with you.

I would really prefer not have to bring a briefcase, business suit, tie and dress shoes when I "vacation" in Russia :-( And most business travelers stay at hotels but I stay at apartments to save money- another givaway.

Any advice from more experienced mongers?While each of us no doubt has our own style and best presentation, I always understood that EE girls like their western gents to be well dressed. They really are not impressed by the t-shirt and sneakers uniform worn by so many Americans abroad. So maybe a business suit is not required, but surely a decent jacket and tie outfit would be desirable.

Frankly, even if just vacationing in any European city I think a sports jacket is normal and necessary to be treated decently.

GT

[Delgado]

I think a sports jacket is normal and necessary to be treated decently.
GT
A jacket might be a good idea in june, but don´t forget arcadia nights in july and august can be really hot, no need for anything more than a short sleeved shirt or poloshirt. One local guy who went to ibiza disco with me last summer was wearing thongs, bermudas and a muscle shirt. He had no problem getting in and even scored with one of the hottest girls available that night. But i have to ad he was young, worked out, and could easily have participated in an mtv spring break video clip.

[Doctor_Skank]

Eastern Europeans are fashion nuts, as most have probably noticed EE girls spend more of their income percentage-wise on clothes and telephones than probably anybody else besides the Italians and Japanese.

They really do pay attention to what you are wearing and what they wear, even if their taste in what men should wear isnt always "refined" and even if their budget doesnt always allow them to get truly quality clothes for themselves. If a young girl is dressed really well in expensive gear, then she is either getting financed by some guy, or has a great-paying job, which is really unlikely. Or maybe some schmuck is sending her $500 a month to "stay faithful" for her... see how long that lasts.

Despite the fact that EE girls are really fashion-conscious and do look for key symbols liked very-good grooming, expensive shoes and watches and designer label garb, that doesnt however mean you dont have any fashion freedom, as almost any style is "in"... after all, these girls have MTV too... you should just take care that it looks expensive or hip (usually these go hand in hand) and you should look comfortable in it. A vodka-fueled profusely sweating 40 year old balding chubby dude wearing sunglasses in a G-Unit hoodie and baggy pants doing the robot dance at 3am may be quite a show, but it isnt likely to have the dyevs lining up. I've seen it, and it wasnt pretty. You should feel comfortable in your clothes and identify with them. And then forget all about them and concentrate on your vocal and physical game.

But I have noticed that in top clubs from Moscow to Novosibirsk that rich Russians are departing from the standard "all-in-black" Slavic mafia tough guy look of the 90's for more contemporary European styles. Lots of sneakers, t-shirts, hats and other mixed styles abound, whereas besides an American hip-hop look popular among a limited young crowd, the vast majority of styles are European and not-American. For example the American Crew/Ivy League style or the American California skater style are almost non-existent.

You'll still find the mafia type everywhere though, especially in more rural areas... and Odessa has a rural flair too it in comparison to Kiev or Moscow, complete with a relatively high ratio or mafia-style guys.

[CA Traveler]

doc... I'm crushed... CRUSHED I TELL YOU!

I thought you liked my dancing???

[Delgado]

http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/48771.html

The guy says he´s NYC cop and owns a flat in Odessa. I always felt extremely safe in Kiev and Odessa, so is this just a load of crap, or what? Any comments?

[CA Traveler]

IMHO, this guy seems like he is attempting to A) encourage more people to visit Kiev or B) Soured on ODS for one reason or another.

I can tell you after living in Odessa for almost a year and Moscow for almost two before, if you do something stupid, you may put yourself at risk. If you come out of a club in the wee hours of the morning "knee-walking" drunk, you could find yourself robbed. However, I will suggest that this could happen in any big city.

Personally, I've walkied alone in Moscow, Kiev, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk and Sbp at all hours of the night and in some VERY seedy and dark areas and have never had a problem or even seen anyone else having a problem.

I will say though that from speaking with clients and from reading the Moscow Times, Spb is in fact a dangerous city and special steps should be taken while there to protect yourself... Unfortunately, my clients had more problems with the police beating and robbing them than gangs, but the MT reports a beating, usually racial, at least once each week.

Personally, I think ODS is a much more laid back place than Moscow or Kiev and I won't hesitate to walk anyplace in the center at any time of day or night no matter what some jaded NY flatfoot says for his own reasons.

[DirkDingy]

IMHO, this guy seems like he is attempting to A) encourage more people to visit Kiev or B) Soured on ODS for one reason or another....jaded NY flatfoot says for his own reasons.

he was also a cop, and people in LE tend to focus on and be more attuned to crime than the general public.

you live there so you know a helleuva lot better than me, but i read something else by an American (on lp maybe) and recently heard an English man on a plane speak of their growing disenchantment with the Ukraine.

[Brotherrabitt]

Guys

I clicked on this link and got an immediate virus/malware warning. Seems to contain MS06-001 wmf exploit or something.

Pleasure




http://www.brama.com/travel/messages/48771.html

The guy says he´s NYC cop and owns a flat in Odessa. I always felt extremely safe in Kiev and Odessa, so is this just a load of crap, or what? Any comments?

[Bez Bezarra]

I have to agree with DirkDingbat.
Robberies and assaults are common crimes in poor countries.

But the gypsy scum don't give a shit if you're foreigner or local,
if you've got any more money than they do, which is none, they'll
snatch a ring off your finger, a chain off your neck, or pick your
pocket. Even some crazy Chinese cocksuckers attacked my
local friends in a park on New Years, and cut one buddy up
with an axe very badly. Police caught them and sent them
to the gulag for some high voltage electrical-testicle therapy.

So if you or anybody strolls by their traps that they set and wait,
then you're a target. You'll always see them hanging around the
train stations. Just act slavic, don't smile, look at everyone like
you don't trust them, and make a face like you are one second
from pulling out your own blade and cutting their throats.

The double wallet trick is also good safety practice. One in your
back pocket with $20, and the rest of your cash in your sock or
someplace hidden.

[DoctorOral]

This posting fucks up your computer for sure. do not use the link!

That is why condoms are so useful!

[Eros75]

Hi guys,

As I don't want to go there in July or August because of the crowd, I think September will be perfect for mongering as not much competition on the scene, this will be my first time to Ukraine, any advices such as apartments, places to go,..., are welcome, anybody will be there at this period?

Thanks in advance for the tipps

Cheers

Eros

[Cruiser D]

One of my favorite tag lines from an early 90's club I used to go to was 'know who you are and dress accordingly'.

The only place I've seen the AF and S Cali look is TGIF in Kiev. From geeky contract workers and the kids of wealthy/political Ukrainian/Americans.


[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]

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A vodka-fueled profusely sweating 40 year old balding chubby dude wearing sunglasses in a G-Unit hoodie and baggy pants doing the robot dance at 3am may be quite a show, but it isnt likely to have the dyevs lining up. I've seen it, and it wasnt pretty. You should feel comfortable in your clothes and identify with them. And then forget all about them and concentrate on your vocal and physical game.[QUOTE]

[Ringgold6581]

Its official, My Man Ca Traveler Hooked Me Up with the Apartment. www.odessaexecutivesuites.com I will be in Odessa from July 1- July 25. If you want to hook up. We can. I am a 25 yr old African American. My plans are to party my a$$ off but not get into any trouble. Im going to go the CLUB everynight.

[Delgado]

Sorry if the link i posted caused any problems. No virus warning on my system, but i´ll copy the text in here, in case anyone else is interested:

Attacks in Ukraine increased

Posted by jay on March 07, 2005 at 01:49:07:

Attacks in Ukraine increased. Actually Mark things might be different in Sevastopol. But in the laerger cities where there is known to be mny foreigners, attacks on te rise. When I waa living in Kiev back in 2002 I eremember a group of 30 young punks attacked some asian tourists on main street while everyone watched in broad daylight. 2 police officers just watched but being in law enforcement myself I am twelling you that I wouldnt do much different until alot of back up comes.
But in tourist area like Odessa many expats I know have been attacked. In fact I never heard of Marriage agency owners being attacked but it wouldnt be in there best interest to report it because last thing they want is scare off customers but I know for a fact that almost every english language teacher at local language schools has been robed atleast once. I also know personally that other expats have been attacked in brutally beaten. I n one case the expat almost died and police in this case made an arrest and the atackers did time but in most cases police blamed victim and tried to get bribe from expat for not having proper documents. M y friend who has lived there for 5 yrs was in 3 fight ,attack situations but being ex military martial artist was able to do some damage back before he got more hurt. M ost of the attacks happened in center on side streets late at night, one happened on beach in daylight.
Knowing this I have to say Odessa has potential to be very hostile because if most expats I know have been attacked , I can imagine the number of tourists who get attacked but ofcourse we do not know about because the tourists are gone in a matter of days and also includes non english expats who do not hang in same circles.
Now my opinion of what is happening(as well as my ukrainian friend fro Odessa) is that being that Odessa is like the Tijuana of Ukraine and tourists come for short holidays gangs know that they can make an easy score without having to worry about the victim staying around to cause trouble. Also Odessa had a reputation of having the worst pirate cut throats for 2 hundred years ,port ,smuggling city and all. My friend feels that they attack foreigners because they believe they have money and because unlike the RUSSIAN WEALTHY, WILL ROAM THE STREET SA ALONE AT NIGHT. Rich Russsians(Odessa is ethnically Russian or pro Russian city) will drive there BMW home and not be caught in the street.
My advice is to travel in groups but no alone. Avoid side streets and do not think you are safe in the center because in reality thats where the gangs lok for victims. Lets be honest they do not expect rich foreigners in outer areas so they will not be actively looking there (dont crap in your own backyard). Other advice keep away from drunk Ukrainians , it seems drinking leads from passiveness to agressiveness. Avoid palldium night club i know of some attacks that happened there because alot of thug like mafia guys hang out there who are young. Older types actually get along woith foreigners(after all they always trying to prove they western cool a well) but the young new ones who aren't so wealthy seem to resent the guys coming to get there women and have like a Brooklyn eat New york getto machoness.
In Kiev remember places cater to expats. Heck alot of clubs wouldnt let ukrainians in unless they are with a foreigner. Usually peple who go to these place are happy to be hanging out with foreign expats and girls either hookers or nice girls wanting foreign boyfriends. But in Odessa the town caters to the natives. Yes, alot of peple make money off tourists in summer but the rest of the year they are glad you are not there because it seems Odessa has changed. The people were the most friendliest yrs back but I guesss they got sick of the foreigners and now want to hang with there own. In fact Odessa has no real expat hangouts. Estrelita was for awhile and then they kicksd out expat management also if you notice girls do not hang out there> In kiev foreigners have there groupies in most expat places(moscow and other cities as well) but in odessa they are so used to foreigners the girls dont really want to have anything to do with them. Infact I know the expat dating scene is hard in Odessa while in Kiev its great. Natives have more favorable relations with expats in kiev because usually they have better experiences with expats including working for them in office,etc. But in Odessa except for loud tourists and people on sex vacations ,the natives do not really meet the cream of the crop and do not need the associate with expats for career develpoment. All this can make Odessa a hostile place, I myself ,even though I have flat in Odessa realized now that I would trade in a minute(too expensive) to go back to kiev wheree I feel expats fit in more.
Second word of advice, if you are attacked , be agressive and run if you can, its semms that Russians there tend to want to show thay are a man by kicking your ass together with 6 buddies while in America usually a guy has to show hes a man by kick your ass 1 on 1 and riends root, but here the guy shows that he and his six friends are real men by kicking your ass like cowards. This means you better not ever let yourself get surrounded and its ok to run because if you do not you are in trouble. But if you can not get away try to hurt a few if you can. I know this seems like bad advice and as a NYC cop I shoyuldn't be telling you this BUT it seems like in everycase the attackers attack first no matter how submissive or surrendering you are, then if they want to take something they do, but then they will probably conclude by roughing you up more. Now remember a cuple guys really got hurt this way, teeth knocked out hit back of head with pipe,etc. But my friend who has lived there longest and yes knows a bit martial arts, he fought back and he realized that in most cases the attackers gave up after he showed that he can hurt them. Basically its shows that Ukrainian strategy is wolf packs and if they see that they will get hurt will back off. So carry mace, small club whatever and start swinging. Remember except for knives guns are rarely ued in robbereies in Ukraine.
Afterwards if you survive contact police and screw what new president says, offere bribe or award to police and guess what you will find that not only will you be helped but chances are that the police will find some of the attackers and either hold them for you to beat or beat them themsevlves. It seems the police know already what gangs stalk the streets and probably get a cut but police do not appreciate it when it gets violent and will work for you to make an object lesson if you reward them .I once told another expat in kiev to do same thing and beliee me police took care of it, ofcourse i hope they did not just pull any poor igor of the street.
I know alot of you liberal softies will say revenge is wrong , but if expats,tourists start showing that they will not take it the gangs will be more cautios.
I am thinking to give a small course on surviving Ukraine ,lol

[DirkDingy]

Its official, My Man Ca Traveler Hooked Me Up with the Apartment. www.odessaexecutivesuites.com I will be in Odessa from July 1- July 25. If you want to hook up. We can. I am a 25 yr old African American. My plans are to party my a$$ off but not get into any trouble. Im going to go the CLUB everynight.

russians and ukes will not take kindly to you in their hunting ground. take some mates with you. you will likely be ok, but you are playing with fire going solo. also, don't mistake a friendly man at a bar for a friend; they will turn on you very quickly. if you are in trouble, don't count on local LE for assitance. good luck bro.

dd

[CA Traveler]

AS... Again, I want to say that this guy seems to be living in a different place than where I am... I don't see gangs... I don't see skinheads... I don't see fights on the street.... I just don't get it. If it is true, then I suggest that he is either living waaaay out of the center or as mentioned before is just looking at everything through a cops eyes.

If this were printed about St.Petersburg, I would believe it but in my year of living here, I just have seen no indication of any problems at all which is pretty significant since the center of the city is so small and compact.

[Uke Boy]

Vinnie,

Instead of your usual childish whining asking us to "discuss girls," why don't you actually begin a discussion about the girls or add to a discussion substantially.

You are always about asking for help on one thing or another but you never contribute except for some stolen photos from time to time.

If you can't contribute then don't complain.

[Uke Boy]

I took this report by a supposed NYC cop to a security guy I know at one of the embassies. He couldn't believe that it was written by a NYC cop. It does seem to be some con or fraud by someone with an agenda to scare foreigners away.

We came to the conclusion that this is a phony report. Security staffs at embassies are attuned to what happens to foreigners while in the country. Either they report an incident to the embassy or reports of their nationals are forwarded to them by the police.

In any case, I was told that except for the usual idiot bumbling total drunks who almost always ask for a rolling, very little if any violence of the type in that article is evident in Ukraine against foreigners in any of the cities, Kiev and Odessa included, or even in the smaller towns and villages.

Yes, you are a target for pickpockets and con artists of all sorts but severe violence against you as a person is just not going to happen unless you do something real stupid like try and walk away with some Mafioso's girlfriend.

Unfortunately, in almost all those cases of actual violence, it is a racial attack against blacks and sometimes Asians and other nationalities lumped together as Caucasians. But even here, it is not as frequent or as bad as it is in St. Petersburg where skinheads really rule.

There is absolutely no reason to stay away from here since violent crime against foreigners is rare.

[Delgado]

There is absolutely no reason to stay away from here since violent crime against foreigners is rare.

I´ve been to Odessa or Kiev about 10 times during the last year. First thing people at home ask me is if it´s not dangerous. I always say I feel safer than at home, so I was wondering if i had just been lucky.

Uke Boy, you might be right about the local mafia though. I met an absolutely incredible girl during my first visit to Odessa and it was sort of strange that she always wanted to stay in the apartment with me or only go to places very far from the center. It turned out she moved together with this mafia big-shot when she was 16, she´s 19 now, living with her mother again and studying at Odessa university, but this guy still has total control of her life and won´t let her go. From the stories she told me i can only imagine what would happen to me if he found out...

The only uncomfortable situation i experienced in Odessa also was with this girl. On our first date we were just leaving a cafe in the center, when two policemen stopped us and wanted to see my passport. I always carry a copy of the two main pages with me, but this did not satisfy them. They refused to take any cash, so i suggested we all go to my apartment and get my passport. When we arrived in front of the house things got really complicated. They said they could not let me go inside the house alone to get it, so i told them to come up to my apartment with me. For some reason this was not an option for them, they insisted that my new girlfriend go inside to get my documents. At that point my alarm bells started ringing. The girl looked to good to be true, like she just fell off a catwalk, and now these maybe fake cops were going to have an eye on me, while this creature from heaven would search my apartment and disappear with my valuables. So i said no way, i´ll call a friend and have him go up. I was relieved that they accepted, my friend was there 5 minutes later, and when we finally were able to present my passport, the two lunatics only grinned, didn´t even have a look at it, turned around and left.
I don´t know if police checking foreigners happens often in Odessa, i suspect not. My girl told me afterwards that the two cops had asked for her telephone number, they were pretty young guys, and she is hot even for Odessa standards, so probably they were more interested in her.

[Irish Lad]

Vinnie,

The photo you link here is the one I sent you on your personal email. The number for Diana is wrong.................

Why is it wrong? Because I made a typo when I sent it to you last week.

IL

[Cruiser D]

Internet fraud and fabrication? No way!!

Next thing you are going to tell me is that sweet Ukrainian girl I've never met and professes her undying love for me online is just going to take the 5k I wired her for a plane ticket, passport, and to take care of her sick grandmother. ;)

Geez, what's next people posting fake reports on ISG? ;) Never gonna happen!





I took this report by a supposed NYC cop to a security guy I know at one of the embassies. He couldn't believe that it was written by a NYC cop. It does seem to be some con or fraud by someone with an agenda to scare foreigners away.

.

[Uke Boy]

Cruiser,

If you really want fake, fraud and generally useless nonsense and non-contributions on a regular basis, read Vinnie's posts, or at least try to.

Painful, really painful.

[Uke Boy]

This Trade Center post of yours is another of your useless so-called contributions to the forum.

It appears that you have given us second or third-hand information since you have never been to Odessa. The purpose of the forum is to not only share information but also to provide first hand facts on what is going on in the locality.

Is your post factual of events today? I have no idea and no one else does, too. It may well be but the point is we need actual real-time and accurate information based on hard experience, not plagiarism and a repeat of what others may have said some time ago.

Maybe when you get to ODS, if you ever do, try and post what is and what you have really experienced and not steal pictures and words from others as you seem to do with regularity.

[CA Traveler]

VV... the question is WHERE is the trade center you speak about????

[Uke Boy]

Vinnie Baby

Here we are all waiting for your exact information about this trade center and the hundreds of $50 babes there!

What puzzles me most of all is that when CA Traveler who actually lives, works and mongers in Odessa doesn’t know about this fabulous resource, then we all must be made aware of it from you.

It really is interesting that someone who has never been to Odessa seems to know everything about the place but can't give us any specific details. This is the same person who in almost every message begs for a phone number or more lady contact details. In the other message, he of course reveals confidential details or posts stolen photos. What a stand-up guy Vinnie really is.

How about a map or a street address of this trade center. Do the mamachkas there have any phone numbers we can call? Come on now Vinnie, give us all the information.

Vinnie be a man and not the 15 year old boy we think you really are and answer all our questions.

[Doctor_Skank]

VV:

Really, with all due respect, why are you writing about a city you've never been to and recommending places you've never even seen? I just dont get it... and it certainly isnt a service to ISG, as all that you have written about ODS is hearsay and info from other reports...

As for the trade center, I assume that you are talking about the port (morsky voksal) and the lineup there. But why even write about it, since you have never been there?

Or should I start telling everybody to go to HELP disco in Rio just because I read about it somewhere?

Please, only write about things you've personally experienced, only recommend places you've actually been to and only post pictures that YOU have taken of girls YOU have had.

ISG is an information platform for mongers and not a showcase for egos. If you dont have any info or pictures, dont pretend you do by printing info posted by others in the ODS section months ago or by stealing photos from others or taking them from websites.

You want info about girls, thats fine. But with your erratic behavior, who do you think is going to give you any?

[Delgado]

Possibly he is talking about the market close to the train station?

[Bez Bezarra]

"Voyer DIDN'T came, DIDN'T saw, and certainly DIDN'T conquer
anything but his own wild-ass imagination!"

Looks like our guinea-boy Vincenzo finally is exposed for
being the counterfeit that he is.

Let's all post about "the quality is ok for me" for some place
we never went to!

[CA Traveler]

VV... Everyone has a point... perhaps this is a lesson?

As far as your visit, I'm sure you will have a very good time and will gain a lot of first hand experience during your visit.

[Eros74]

WE are all try to suggest to VV where the trade center is...

I would suggest it exists only in his mind...

Good Bez, wild-ass imagination can imagine everything... as travelling sit down in front of pc :)

Just my 2 cents..

[Ffmbud]

I think VV's manufacturing stuff here. Even his glowing reports on Helena did not measure up in the least with my actual experience. Nice enough lady personality-wise but her photos are way too flattering and she's seen better days. Remember CT's comments about aging in dog-years after 25. There is better in Moscow, even at CF's for the same fare.

[Tommasini]

Enough has been said, an unreliable source of information has been found. The trade center is obviously the area near the port? Move on people, it is almost summer dammit! Let the mongering season begin!

Tommasini

[Irish Lad]

Hello all,

Just returned from Odessa and it's as good as ever.

I arrived Thursday and used Odessa Executives who looked after me very well. I was however embarrassed as a mate of mine owns apartments in Odessa too and I clean forgot about him. His name is Matthew and he owns http://www.apartmentsodessa.com and also comes from my home town. I spent much of the weekend having beers etc with him but he’s a cool guy so didn’t make me feel bad at all about it.

Met up with some other mongers in the Irish bar for a few drinks and enjoyed the eye candy. Some tosser called Dion is “working” the Irish bar this year approaching people with his business cards offering apartments and condemning the competition. We all call him Mr Spam, so be prepared.

Headed out to Arkadia after and it’s just as good as last year. Ibiza too but it was closed on the Friday night by “tax police”. By Saturday I had got numbers from over 30 different girls through either friends or friends of friends. I then remembered my experiences from last year………first night is difficult but by the 2nd or 3rd night you’re in with many of them. As I will be there quite a lot over the summer I am operating a different MO from last year and not in for the 1 offs.

Called my taxi guy at 5.30 am looking for a girl and he sent 3 to the Irish bar. I chose a 23 year old blond called Ilona for an hour. Nice girl, pretty with a great pair. Price was $50. Always good to have this backup plan.

Sunday afternoon I spent with
http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=62063239&oid=62063239&photos_a=1

I think her name is pronounced Ira???? Or Ella????

We agreed to meet outside Zara Pizzara as I couldn’t for the life of me pronounce where I lived. I was a little concerned that her photos would be too flattering but the opposite is true. She’s a very attractive girl of about 22 and loves her sex. We had agreed $100 for 2 hours to include anal. I had forgotten to ask about OWO so I asked her what she would do when I came……….she just purred “I swallow”. So I of course asked her to marry me. She was the best I have had in Odessa which can be hit and miss. A mate of mine met her the following day and he gave 10/10 too.

On Sunday night I headed to X Club with a friend of mine. It’s a strip joint out of town where for $20 the girl will give you her number. We collected 1 each and my mate is having dinner with his one next week. I’ll chase my own one up the next time.

IL

[Sauce]

if you go to trade center in odessa and are willing to pay 40 to 50 usd you can get what you want. the quality is ok for me but, from what i have reas on isg so far it will be ok. there will be about 100 to 200 girls there waiting to get picked. most are young and not will dressed and speak maybe 12 words of english.
50$ is for one hour,
but the most interresting thing is 150 $ for a whole night.

Happy hunting

Where is the Tradecenter located there? Near where?

[Azartnyi]

Could the place you stayed at be Odessa Executive Suites? www.odessaexecutivesuites.com

How was it?


Hello all,

Just returned from Odessa and it's as good as ever.

I arrived Thursday and used Odessa Executives who looked after me very well. I was however embarrassed as a mate of mine owns apartments in Odessa too and I clean forgot about him. His name is Matthew and he owns http://www.apartmentsodessa.com and also comes from my home town. I spent much of the weekend having beers etc with him but he’s a cool guy so didn’t make me feel bad at all about it.

Met up with some other mongers in the Irish bar for a few drinks and enjoyed the eye candy. Some tosser called Dion is “working” the Irish bar this year approaching people with his business cards offering apartments and condemning the competition. We all call him Mr Spam, so be prepared.

Headed out to Arkadia after and it’s just as good as last year. Ibiza too but it was closed on the Friday night by “tax police”. By Saturday I had got numbers from over 30 different girls through either friends or friends of friends. I then remembered my experiences from last year. First night is difficult but by the 2nd or 3rd night you’re in with many of them. As I will be there quite a lot over the summer I am operating a different MO from last year and not in for the 1 offs.

Called my taxi guy at 5.30 am looking for a girl and he sent 3 to the Irish bar. I chose a 23 year old blond called Ilona for an hour. Nice girl, pretty with a great pair. Price was $50. Always good to have this backup plan.

Sunday afternoon I spent with
http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=62063239&oid=62063239&photos_a=1

I think her name is pronounced Ira? Or Ella?

We agreed to meet outside Zara Pizzara as I couldn’t for the life of me pronounce where I lived. I was a little concerned that her photos would be too flattering but the opposite is true. She’s a very attractive girl of about 22 and loves her sex. We had agreed $100 for 2 hours to include anal. I had forgotten to ask about OWO so I asked her what she would do when I came, she just purred “I swallow”. So I of course asked her to marry me. She was the best I have had in Odessa which can be hit and miss. A mate of mine met her the following day and he gave 10/10 too.

On Sunday night I headed to X Club with a friend of mine. It’s a strip joint out of town where for $20 the girl will give you her number. We collected 1 each and my mate is having dinner with his one next week. I’ll chase my own one up the next time.

IL

[Irish Lad]

Yes,

That's correct. It's Mathew who own's the other place. I hear Odessa is going to be quite busy for the rest of the summer so I better get my bookings in soon.

The apartment from Odessa executive suites was in the Bunin building. It was nice.

IL

[Peter the Great]

Last October when I was in Odessa I had 4 wonderful nights with a girl named Inna. 24 5'7" Red hair and loves sex! DATY, DATO, CBJ, Greek! Was absolutley in heaven with her. She is an independent as most are there and is very low key. I don't know where she gets her clients but I met her at an expat's house and she is really great 380674847884.

Treat her well

Peter

[Irish Lad]

Dear Peter,

You were in Odessa last October. This is June..........



IL

[Rocco 55]

Myself and 6 buds are going to be in Odessa right after 4 day bachelor party in Prague. My good friend who's coming with us is originally a local so we should be may be hooked up nightlife and where to visit, but he has not been back there in 17 years so I think his knowledge will be outdated. From I can gather, the best places appear to be Ibiza and Itaka. Since we are going for 9 days I would ideally want to know what else is worth a visit particularly for cream of the crop type of women? Are there any strip clubs worth visiting or it a waste of time?

We are renting two large apartments from www.odessaapts.com which are in Grecheskaya square. This is a central area as I understand so are there also clubs or places worth a visit where one can dance? I am thinking on a rainy night or if we want a change of scenery are there places worth a visit in the center?

I have read up on 'real estate' business so I will be the new Trump on the site survey. If I can get all three of these to come home with me on the same night I will be quiet happy www.odessaapts.com/images/about/11.jpg

I am arriving on June 19th and will be there for 9 days so if anyone wants to meet up for some nightlife actions PM me. Of course report on the scenery will be posted.

[Nemez]

Sunday afternoon I spent with
http://www.destiny.com.ua/anketa.phtml?oid=62063239&oid=62063239&photos_a=1

I think her name is pronounced Ira? Or Ella? She was the best I have had in Odessa which can be hit and miss. A mate of mine met her the following day and he gave 10/10 too.You have forgotten to give us her phonenumber ;)
8-067-4588619

[Irish Lad]

Hello Rocco,

There is plenty of entertainment close to your apartments.

You're 50 metres from the main st where 100's of lookers stroll in the evening. here you'll find "Vis Vis" club which is one of the few central night clubs that remain open over the summer. Most people head out to "arakadia" which includes Ibiza and Itaka.

On Ekaterina st there is a nice bar called Arena/007 but that empties out early enough. A few blocks from you is "Captain Morgans" which can get wild later in the evening. Last Monday, 2 local girls got up on the stage and did an impromptu erotic show.

As I mentioned before, the X Club is quite good. 4 dollars for a 2 minute dance after the girls finish their set on the stage. The "menu" is quite entertaining to read. $30 for a 2 song private dance in a room. It's pricey enough but drinks are normal prices and you'll not be ripped off.

IL

[Irish Lad]

I didn't forget. Anyone who wants it can PM me. You can be sure that within 5 minutes of you posting that, 100 idiots are going to call her.

IL

[Ash1001]

Hello my friends,

I'll be arriving this Friday (16th June) in the afternoon and staying 3 nights in an apt near Deribasovskaya Street. I've got v. basic Russian and I'm looking for a partner in crime.

If any of you guys are around at that time and up for chasing hotties at Itaka, Ibiza, Irish Pub, Zara Pizzara etc., post a report in reply or call/sms me on (uk dialling code) (zero) seven eight zero three six zero five nine zero six.

Would prefer to concentrate on the freebie scene as I like the chase as much as the feast :)

Let me know soon.

All the Best,

Ash

[Dant75]

sir major if you go to trade center in odessa and are willing to pay 40 to 50 usd you can get what you want. the quality is not ok for me but, from what i have seen on wsg so far it will be ok. there will be about 100 to 200 girls there waiting to get picked. most are young and not will dressed and speak maybe 12 words of english

if you go to trade center in odessa and are willing to pay 40 to 50 usd you can get what you want. the quality is ok for me but, from what i have reas on isg so far it will be ok. there will be about 100 to 200 girls there waiting to get picked. most are young and not will dressed and speak maybe 12 words of english.
50$ is for one hour,
but the most interresting thing is 150 $ for a whole night.

Happy hunting

Please tell us where is this fabulous place in Odessa. I didn't see the trade market on the map and people in Odessa don't know where it is.
Is it near the port (morsky voksal) or the market close to the train station ?
Is it up to date info ?
Thanks !

dant i am trying to remember how to get to trade center square. some call it something else. i think maximus might know have directions. its the only place that has the many girls hanging around just for sex work.
if any of you are ever worried are scared about a ukraine or russia then by all means take a tour from a marriage agency. that way you will atleast be able to meet some girls with ease and she will be able to escort you around town so you will feel more comfortable on your own or when you come back.
(deleted stuff about marriage agencies, go to WSG if you want to read the rest)

He is probably talking about "Tamozhennaya square" which translates into Border control square, it is a few hundred meters south of where Potemkin steps are. If you walk south at the bottom of the stairs, you will hit a street called Polskiy descent which is the area where all the street walkers gather. I know there is even a bar in the proximity where they all hang out, although I have never been. As I mentioned before, I never experienced any problems getting laid in Odessa for free, provided you are confident and have basic use of Russian.
Someone who has been to Odessa can confirm about "Tamozhennaya square" ?

[Doctor_Skank]

Dant75:

There ARE pros for $50/hour down by the port near Tamozhennaya Square, which translates into "customs square". Last Thursday there were about 15 there ranging from 4-6 in quality. In my opinion internet pros cost about the same price and are generally better looking and cleaner... but still, if you are looking for a 4am solution, you will get laid there. Just look for a group of girls milling about, usually near the kiosk... they'll be smoking cigarettes and drinking cola and sprite...

[Fido Dido]

I am planning to visit Odessa in august.
Asked: any information on:
- web-sites for escorts
- web-sites for making dates (in advance)
- brothels?
- places to meet non-profs and semi-profs

Thanks.

[Doctor_Skank]

odessa revisited

i decided to buzz down to odessa and spend a long weekend there with a fellow monger i will call "m". it turned out to be quite a productive trip, and essentially reconfirmed everything we have been saying about odessa and odessan girls, both good and bad...

d-day thursday:

we arrived on thursday and were picked up by a driver from the apartment service.

the pickup went fine, however the apartment did have some problems. imagine that, problems with an apartment in ukraine... that never happens, right? :)

the problems were however significant... no water, meaning a shower wasnt possible. thats a bad way to start off a holiday... beyond that, the wireless internet wasnt working either, so we couldnt effectively shop for pros on the net or contact the freebies we were hoping to score with. the jacuzzi wasnt much of a jacuzzi, so not really any benefit at all. a bit turned off by these developments especially considering the price tag on the apartment, we decided to flee the apartment and head out into the night, undaunted by the technical difficulties associated with our residence.

mid-june is still early season for odessa and the city wasnt yet in full swing. it wasnt particularly warm either, which is both good and bad. actually, i found it quite pleasant that the bars and clubs were only 75% full and that the locals werent as summer-weary as they can get by late august. there was a certain freshness in the air and although there wasnt nearly as much eye candy on the streets as there is in august, there were also remarkably few foreigners on the streets. it seems that the sex tourist foreigners, mostly from italy, show up in late july and august when they have their holidays. the same goes for the tourists from ukraine and the rich moscow-based tourists who bring their hot chicks for some summer fun in the sun. mid to late june is therefore a good time to go... essentially pre-season. most of the tourists i saw in early season seemed to be genuine tourists more interested in taking pictures of the opera house than getting laid with the local devki. fine by me...

m and i went to get a bite to eat at the sports bar next to zara pizzara and watch world cup football. i had met a girl named nika on the internet and she met us at the sports bar. very quickly i made some progress, cosying up to her, touching her knee occasionally and flirting pretty hard. she called a girlfriend to come over and join us and it seemed that an opening night score was possible. as we waited for her girlfriend i spotted a piggish wobbling blonde and was thinking that she was quite possibly the fattest odessan girl i have ever seen. she must have weighed twice as much as the girl i was chatting up. to my horror she was making a beeline directly for us and before i could mutter "oh god, no..." she arrived at our table and turned out to be the missing girlfriend. my wingman m and i looked at each other and understood that this wasnt going to work... at least not with fattie around. i really couldnt expect him to "take one for the team" and bang her just so i could go to work on nika... she was just too far beyond being fuckable. damnit! as m said, she could sink a battleship with that ass.

after watching the football game, we decided to dump the two and move on to something else... but nika and fattie wouldnt go away and essentially followed us back to the apartment... once inside, we had a drink and the girls seemed to want to stay... damnit i thought, if only fattie wasnt so fat! it seemed that nika really wanted to get her fat friend laid. my wingman and i shrugged our shoulders and told the girls we were going out to meet friends, kicking them out. they seemed a bit bewildered and obviously disappointed, but we really had no choice... even though nika was quite cute, her friend fattie was just too fat to fuck. my efforts to convince nika to dump her girlfriend and just stay with us met with some giggles and she seemed a bit interested, but it was clear she wasnt going to abandon her friend. so they disappeared into the night after i kissed nika a bit and felt up her tits and ass and m bid fattie adieu with a charity kiss.

with nika and fattie gone and still no water, we went to captain morgan, which was essentially around the corner from our apartment. cm was pretty empty, so i chatted up two raven-haired local girls at the bar i thought might have been pros and they said thursday was going to be pretty dead everywhere. unfortunately the two cuties werent pros and although friendly, they didnt seem too interested. they also seemed to know the bar staff quite well, so we wrote them off as locals we werent going to score with, no chance. neither m or i were really keen on going to arkadia, since it was still quite cool at night and we suspected there wouldnt be too much going on there. both a bit tired from the flight and a bit pissed off about the lack of water at the apartment but not wanting to admit defeat, we decided to go to x-club, a provincial strip club about 15 minutes outside the center. thanks irish lad for the tip on this... although i also saw quite a few ads for the club in local tourist guides, maps etc. perhaps this aspect of the odessan scene will develop...

at x-club, which seems to be located in a residential area, we sat down in a plush corner booth and let the assault begin. a regular stream of girls came up to us and put on a fairly good show. the girls werent moscow-quality as far as stripper goes, but were good and it was a nice way to spend an hour drinking beer and feeling up some women. everything was normally priced, no rip offs. the only thing to complain about was the fact that full-on contact wasnt really possible... just brief touching. i cant remember if i was giving the girls 10 ($2)or 20 ($4) grivna tips, but in any case they seemed happy. soon however the girls started recycling and we had been through the whole crew of about 8 girls. at about 2 or 3 am we left and went back to the center to check out vis vis casino and nightclub, but it was already closed. the irish pub was also quite dead.

m and i looked at each other. we had no choice. we had to get laid. the port.

we strolled down towards the port (or was it stumbling?) and on the way spotted a car with a single guy and 4 girls sitting in it. ee veterans will recognize this as the classic ***** car, and as the girls piled out to have a smoke, we chatted them up with innuendo-laden speech to see if they would take the bait and we could get down to business... but we quickly realized they were not pros... ooops... in retrospect am really glad i didnt flat out ask the local guy how much the girls cost.. :) one of the girls was pretty clued in and smiled and pointing us down the road a bit.

about 100m and 2 minutes later we arrived at tamozhennaya ploshad and spotted a group of about 15 girls standing around a kiosk, with a fat woman sitting in the middle. made eye contact with the fat woman and she muttered something aloud the girls started assembling around. price was $50/hour. she introduced us to the best-looking girls first... which was easy, since of the 15 only 2 were doable in my book... a skinny tall blonde with a great body but a kind of fucked up face and a homey brunette with a pretty face and a slender body. m likes blondes, so he took the blonde and i took zhanna, the brunette. a cab drove us to our apartment. still no water. fuck.

the girls actually looked better once we got them out of the seedy atmosphere of the port area and into our apartment. i would rate them as solid 6s. mine even was wearing black stockings and a garter, so she was at least making an effort to be sexy... we gave them a quick but satisfying fuck and booted them out after an hour so we could sleep and save our energy for later. overall i must admit that it was a good choice... a good cheap fuck to round out the day.

d+1: friday

at noon there was still no hot water and we are pretty pissed off. the apartment agency management is very apologetic and helpful, offering us to shower in another apartment while they try to fix the problem. we agree.

freshly showered, m and i head into the afternoon. we were due to meet masha1 and masha2, two girls we knew from last year. my half of the team, masha1, had the odessan body style... cute clean face, skinny long legs, narrow hips and wonderfully disproportionally big breasts. masha1 weighed only about 43 kgs, but had perfect round apple sized breasts. masha2 was taller and had even larger breasts, but didnt do as well in the other departments, although she was still cute. at this point the plan is to get masha1 and masha2 back to the apartment for cocktails and sex and then boot them out by midnight so we can go the club to meet the freeloaders, a team of 3 girls we knew from last year who were very skilled at getting us to buy them drinks and take them out without actually giving up their pussies. we wanted to get our revenge on them for all the time and effort we wasted on them last year. i am sure they just wanted to pick up where they left off and eat and drink on our tab, which is a hobby a significant number of odessan girls maintain. the "dating" scene in odessa is unlike anything i have ever experienced, full of exciting successes and just as many demoralizing lows. this hasnt changed... :)

masha1 and masha2 we had already bagged last year and this time they came home with us immediately after we met and even though they were angry with us for not having maintained contact, after a few nice words and some cuddling soon we are making out. i take my masha into the bedroom and give her a brutal thrashing, which she loves. masha1 can only come when she is on top, so i happily oblige her and she mounts my apparatus and jackhammers away on my prod... the image of her skinny legs spread and my cock disappearing into her tight pussy while she flails her long hair around, her firm apple-shaped breasts bouncing in unison... well that's the image that keeps me coming back to odessa... she orgasms and then i flip her around and fuck her from behind, her ass is firm and luscious, her hips so narrow that my hands grabbing her ass cheeks almost conceal her entire ass. as i am about to erupt i demount her and climb on top of her, shoving my cock in her mouth and pumping a few times until i shoot my load down her throat in a loud and powerful orgasm. after i stop panting she laughs at the strength of my orgasm and the load filling her mouth. soon she is purring like a kitten and is hanging all over me. i give her a towel and we discover that the shower works again, even though there still seems to be a water pressure problem as there are only 2 temperatures... ice cold and boiling hot. we choose boiling hot, but soon leave the shower as it really is too hot to endure for long. we also discover that masha2 has actually already left to meet a local guy she is interested in, so m is lounging on the couch satisfied, having blown his load a few minutes earlier with masha2. his mission is accomplished... load blown, girl gone.

i begin to worry that masha1 wants to stay longer or even spend the night... so i consider the options. m could go to arkadia alone and i could join him later, or i could just stay home with masha1 and m could go it alone... but i feel guilty about even thinking of this prospect and begin to formulate a lie to get rid of my masha... when suddenly a miracle occurs... she confesses that she cant stay and longer, because she has to prepare some things at home for her boyfriends's birthday the next day. aw shucks baby... i barely conceal my relief that she is leaving, even though i admit that masha1 is really one of my favorite girls all-time... incredibly sweet and sexy, with an absolute top body. we dress and i walk masha1 outside to an outdoor beer tent cafe, where local couples are sitting under tents drinking abalon beer and where masha2 is sitting with her local boyfriend. i bid masha1 adieu and give her taxi money, about $20. maybe she can buy her boyfriend a nice present with the money... but i am aure she'll probably just buy herself some underwear... :)

"the war"

both relieved to have unloaded and gotten some freebie action, we head out to arkadia, odessa's beach entertainment zone with its numerous bars and discos. we have been in contact with the freeloaders, a 3 girl team of local hotties who love to get free drinks from foreign guys, tease them with kisses and then leave them alone at the end of the night. we tell the freeloaders that we will find them in the club, but they want to meet at the entrance to arkadia... which in dyev speak means they want us to pay their entrance fee to the clubs, with is about $8 a head. we tell them we'll meet them inside the club. they don't reply.

as we arrive at arkadia they are waiting for us at the entrance... this time not only 3 girls, but actually 5. we briefly say hello and i give "my" girl inessa a peck on the cheek and a pat on the ass, while "m" gives his girl alyona a kiss. the ringleader of the group, masha3 (yet another masha) is also there and suggests we go to the club together. before we give her the opportunity to milk 200 grv ($40) to pay entrance for her whole group, we tell them we might see them later and move on. they seem a bit stunned and i am sure they were really pissed off... especially masha3, who probably thought her plan was fool-proof.

at itaka, we enjoy the scenery and scam on two blondes sitting at an adjacent table. the freeloaders are nowhere to be seen... they are probably wondering how they are going to get somebody else to pay their entrance fee to the club, causing a minor delay in their arrival.

about 2 hours later, the freeloaders find us and sit down to freeload. perhaps softened by drink ourselves, we do actually order them drinks and enjoy feeling them up and flirting. they are down to 3, as the other two either went home or most likely, the ringleader masha3 probably wised up and realized that 5 was a bit over the top for freeloading. i examine my girl inessa. she is wearing fairly expensive clothes, has a better phone than i do and even has had a tiny diamond implanted into one of her front teeth. not bad for a girl who just graduated institute and will soon be working as a teacher in ichielevsk or some other dump.

the girls down their drinks and go to dance. m and i renew our scamming on the two blondes at the adjacent table, eventually dragging them to the dance floor for some dirty dancing... of course strategically selecting a spot on the floor in full view of the freeloaders, who literally stop dancing and huddle up to consider their strategy when they see us.

war on.

after some dancing and flirting, the freeloaders launch their assault. before we can blink, the ringleader masha3 has ordered cocktails for herself and alyona and inessa. of course she ordered the most expensive ones on the menu, 90 grv each... which is about $18, an absolutely unheard of price for odessa. grudgingly we pay and launch a counter assault, maneuvering the girls into a darkened area away from the bar and trying to separate alyona and inessa from masha3. alyona and inessa are always much nicer when alone, but as soon as masha shows, masha commands them, instructing them on how to milk us. masha3 seems determined that we dont get laid, and i really believe she hates men... and moreover, would be terribly jealous if alyona and inessa, whom she believes are inferior to her in looks, would actually have a good no strings attached time with two foreigners. i have cornered inessa by now and cut to the chase. i tell her we have to be alone and she is suddenly much sweeter, talking about here life and plans. she knows that she only has a few years of cuteness left and needs to find something secure soon. i tell her that playing games might be fun, but ultimately she'll end up with nothing. she knows its true. i also flat out tell her that masha is jealous and wants to ruin her fun and her chances to get a good guy. i am trying to drive a wedge between inessa and masha, even while m is working the same strategy on alyona. soon inessa and i are making out in a booth and as morning approaches, m and i make the move. we tell inessa and alyona that we want to go to another club, ibiza. they agree and text masha3 to meet us there. outside itaka though, we drag them away from the clubs and convince them to come into town and have a drink at vis vis, a new and popular place. they agree as they havent been there yet. we finally have inessa and alyona outside the club with masha3 nowhere to be seen. victory is at hand. and we never make it to vis vis, instead driving straight back to apartment. our smoke and mirrors strategy has worked and once inside the apartment, alyona and inessa fold immediately. our shower cabin has a radio in it, and soon i had inessa in the shower, dancing in our own private disco. the water was still piping hot, but perhaps the numerous cocktails had numbed my senses a bit. i washed inessa good, as i had plans to do some serious exploring. alyona and inessa werent even that great looking, but were solid cute. my fascination with inessa was based on her sexy small body, especially her tiny feet and hands, which made me curious if her pussy would be so small too... which it was. she was also nearly hairless down under and had the most beautiful little perfect asshole. after our scrubdown, i take her back upstairs and i went to work on her.. licking out her pussy and asshole, which she thoroughly enjoyed, as did i. in between screaming and moaning she kept babbling something about being a bad girl... she loved being a bad girl. i let her be a bad girl too, and blew my load in her diamond-encrusted smile. the actual sex didnt last too long, as by now it was 5am and i was a bit tired. but i gave her a proper brutal poke. it was a long war, but in the end it was napalm in the morning. victory. and i am sure that masha3 is really pissed that her girls gave up their sole trump card in the odessan version of male-female relations.

d+2 saturday

the next afternoon, m and i arranged for a pro to come over. when she arrived however, a plumber was also in the apartment and suddenly we had a bit of a problem, since he was working on the bathroom which was right next to the bedroom we wanted to use to poke the pro. shrugging shoulders, we decided just to go for it and let the plumber worry about what was going on. at least he'll have a good story to tell his friends. the pro was cautious at first but then didnt seem to care and we went to work on her, giving her a proper double-team. double-teaming a chick probably sounds more glam than it actually is. it was enjoyable though and she gamely handled two cocks, sucking us off in the ski instructor style, handling our poles as if she was manuevering down a slope. we tried a few positions, like reverse cowgirl on me while she sucked off my friend, or the classic m banging her doggy style from behind while she blew me. but when it came to crunch time m was a bit unconcentrated and wanted to be with her alone, so i first blew my load in her ass and then left m alone with her to finish while i watched some tv and surfed the net, as the wireless internet was working again. total damage $150/2 hours ($75 each)... a very good deal.

in the late afternoon, we met dumbkatya, a girl that m had fucked last year after a trip to the beach. actually m and i had both made out with her in the club the year before, a sort of sandwich approach, but in the end she only wanted to be with him and he banged her. so we met her for late lunch at vis vis, where she ordered the most expensive things on the menu... for example ordering a greek salad and then only eating the feta cheese. something seemed not right in her behavior... or rather, something seemed very typically odessan in her behavior....

i left them alone, assuming he'd take her back to the apartment for a rodding. i met up with fellow isg member ash1001 to talk shop.

as we talked, i got a text from m, who reported that dumbkatya had told him that "he got her for almost nothing" last year and that "now she wanted to go shopping" and he should take her to an atm to get money for her. well besides the fact that she had ordered $50 worth of food and drink she barely even touched let alone ate, her sudden aggressive strategy turned him off and he blew her off, joining us for lunch.

in the evening we had some time to watch football at the sports bar and blew off any dates we had, since the prospect of going to the club for some hunting seemed more interesting than the usual date chit chat and just buying girls food and drink with little prospect of any action.

after dinner, ash left to join his mongering wingman and aftre taking a 2 hour power nap at home, m and i went to vis vis for cocktails. it is a really nice bar and restaurant, a great place to take a date. there wasnt really any girl action though, as everybody seemed to be there with a date and it is probably too expensive for most normal girls to go there on their own. after a drink we went to arkadia.

at arkadia, it was immediately apparent that saturday was much busier than friday. many clubs had a good crowd and we avoided itaka and ibiza since the freeloaders would likely be there and we had already accomplished that mission, and instead elected to try another club roughly across the street from itaka that seemed fairly busy.

almost immediately we acquired targets, a group of 3 super sexy teens. they were dancing for show and enjoyed turning the local guys on. undaunted, i approached one of them, anya, and soon we had met the entire group. they seemed more interested in dancing than meeting us though, and soon were shaking it again on the dance floor, feeling each other up and dancing in a very provocative way, making teasing eye contact with us but not being really approachable.

as i sipped on my vodka-red bull, out of the corner of my eye i caught a flash of red and acquired a new target... a redhead! redheads are my specialty, so i walk up to her with a cheesy line... actually i think i asked her if it was her birthday and when she said "no" i asked if she wanted it to be... she laughed and i was in. she was with a group, so i bought the boys a bottle of vodka to keep them happy and went to work on her. her name was katya. m was looking for another target himself and as i danced with redkatya i examined her figure... very slender with an exposed belly displaying incredible 6-pack abs... an incredible little spinner... a big turn on for me. i especially like it when girls have really flat stomachs and wear low-rider jeans, so that the slope from their belly button to their crotch looks like you want to slip a hand down the front of her pants and stick a finger in there.

the 3 sexy dancers had spotted me dancing with redkatya and seemed jealous now, and as if a switch had been flipped, they turned up the heat of their show, intermittenly looking over to get my attention. i realized their game though, and assumed they were just looking to turn me on and then not go home on the first night. since this was my last night, i went for a target i felt i had a better chance to score with... and redkatya was very game. while her friends got drunk on the vodka i bought them, i took her away from the dancefloor and found a dark corner to shove my tongue down her throat. she kissed in an inexperienced way... way too much darting tongue.. reminding me of my first hour long make out sessions in high school. after some serious groping and kissing, we went back upstairs and let her friends know we were together... they seemed happy about it, or simply more interested in the vodka and it was apparent that i would just have to get her out of there to score. there is something about me and redheads, but if i can get past introduction, i almost always score. my confidence level is high as it is, but with redheads it is through the roof. i texted m, who wished me luck and stayed at the club to pursue other options. i got redkatya to leave with me using the same excuse as before, heading into town to get a drink but again never actually getting to the bar and instead going straight to the apartment. the redhead turned out not to be a natural redhead, but i didnt care... i put on an enthused performance, giving her some baby doll lingerie from victoria's secret in size xs to try on. she loved it, giving me an impromptu fashion show and subsequently performing accordingly. she had a great ass and nice little titties, but the abs were the best part. i decided to eat her ass too, which has become a new hobby of mine. i blew the load in her mouth too, which is more of a habit than a hobby. by 10am she was gone, she had to go home to her parents before they got too angry.

d+3 sunday
our flight due to leave in the afternoon and despite our bodies being tired and thoroughly drained, we ordered another pro and paying $75 each, gave her a proper thrashing over 2 hours. i unloaded in her mouth this time and left the ass alone. m popped her in the ass for his final hurra on our weekend odessan blowout.

when she left, we went out for burgers and beers, or as they say in team america, debriefing and cocktails. thats the way every weekend should end.

[Buzz00]

You are definitely gifted with the gab it would seem and your indefatigable nature always seems to pay dividends.

I am sure you could warm up an icicle with your charm.

Entertaining reading as always.

Cheers

[Delgado]

Nice report Doc, can´t wait to get back there next month. What was the name of your apartment agency?

[Doctor_Skank]

Delgado:

I used Odessa Executive Suites, the apartment agency mentioned here before. I stayed in the Bunina 33 flat.

My review on the agency is mixed, just as my review on Odessa in general is mixed.

Service: staff and support were excellent. They really tried to help whenever they could.

Bunina 33 apartment: well laid-out and very large, you could even have 4 guys stay there comfortably. At almost $200/night, you should at least stay there with two guys to split cost, as realistically a proper price for a single apartment in Odessa should be between $50-80. Anything above $100 should be something extra special. The Bunina apt is too big for a single person. The Bunina apartment has a jacuzzi, but its so shitty its not even worth using and certainly wouldnt impress anything but the most provincial dyev. At the end of the day, I think the apartment is overpriced. I've been just as happy in apartments half the price. And apartments should have simple things like tea, coffee or salt and pepper. This apartment didnt.

Overall experience was good but not great, primarily due to the water problems I mentioned in my report. Odessa is beset by water and power problems, however at those prices they should at least take care of the water problem and have their own water supply. I am also not entirely convinced that the water problem was the city's fault, as OES did send in a technician to fix the water problem on day 2 and he seemed to install some sort of pump which then helped water pressure greatly.

These are typical EE problems though and the OES agency is certainly not to blame for all the problems... its just that if you read the website, all the talk of super service no problems etc. etc. is a bit of false advertising when you arrive and it takes nearly 24 hours to get a shower. I think they can do better and even though the apartment is admittedly huge, I do feel its overpriced or at the very least, not the best value for the money.

OES is working on finishing up a bunch of hotel-like apartments which should greatly improve the overall setup. I know the management and they are working to improve everything... but they havent succeeded yet. But with time, they'll get it right. At this stage, they are at least as good as any other agency I have used, just a bit pricier.

Buzz00:

Glad you enjoyed the report. I do fail often enough, but you are right in the sense that I dont give up easily and that often pays off.

[DownUnder]

Another great report - long live the king !

[Delgado]

We also made a reservation for 2 apartments next month, but i´m sure Ca_T will have everything under control till then.;)
One more question for Doc or Ca_T:
Fidels used to be a great place, did anything new open there yet??

[Eros74]

Good report Doc,thanks!

I agree with trying to make them be jealous with dancing and with not stay all the night wish the same gilr, even if I thought it was easier to pick up in Odessa.

Ok so now, better say, I cannot wait... for the war! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Delgado:

Odessa Executive Suites is a good bet, as I said there isnt really a better agency in ODS, at least not one that I know of. I just think they can and must improve, as they are also more pricey than most, even if the difference is only marginal.

I dont think there is anything new in the Fidels building.

Lukasek:

I dont think it is easier to score in Odessa than other cities, in some ways it can be even tougher than other cities. It does have a resort town atmosphere about it though, which does really give the impression that sex is lingering everywhere. Be wary of Odessan girls though, they really are skilled and playing the game and manipulating men. A phone number, a kiss, a date or a promise mean NOTHING in ODS. I still contend it is the home to the world's most dishonest women... they lie, cheat, manipulate... but if you get one back to your apartment and in your bed, they are worth all the effort or luck it took to get them there.

I also really suggest those looking to chase freebies also use pros to keep the momentum on your side. This last trip was one of my best to ODS, and I think that was partially due to using both pros and chasing freebies to keep my confidence and motivation at a high level.

Downunder:

I am not a king, just an overachiever... :)

[Ash1001]

Just got back from Odessa 4 hours ago. All flight, transport and accommodation (Julia at odessa apts) issues went like clockwork, but action-wise, things could have been better. To say the least! After having had lunch with the legendary Doc Skank, I thought some of that magic touch might rub off on me :) But, through a combination of a little bad luck and bad judgement, the field ended up playing me rather than vice versa.

My wingman for the long weekend (16-19 June) was WooDog, a chilled out and knowledgable (not just about girls) Canadian who's become an Odessa resident after many years of the 9 to 5 grind. Each night out ended with a lengthy debrief at Irish Pub, with the 2 of us picking apart the complexities of the Odessan female persona. Definitely worth PMing if you're going to be down there - he's an all round good bloke.

Things actually got off to a good start on the first night when I hit Arcadia beach. I avoided Itaka and Ibiza (they looked a bit quiet) and went straight for Western Club, right at the end of Arcadia, which caters mainly for poorer locals and students. After about an hour I was dancing closely with (and passionately kissing) a very cute 21 year old blonde with big blue eyes called Olga. But when things were about to get more intimate her friend dragged her away to the bathroom - to remind her she in fact had a boyfriend. So traumatized was she by what she had just done that she refused to give me her number, or ever see me again :(

It was around 2am by that time and I was feeling quite knackered, so I went home. Not bad for the first night, I thought - things can only get better. Nyet.

Second night (Saturday) we went to Itaka, which was packed to bursting point at the time we arrived, with lots of freeloader princess type girls (many of whom were known to WooDog) hanging around outside. Inside it was difficult to breathe - I initially went around frantically trying to chat up the most eye catching girls, but got a lot of "We don't speak English" (spoken in perfect English of course) BS, in response to my "Privet! Kak dyela?".

Eventually I started chatting to Jana, a brunette well known - that is, to everyone but me - as a girl who spends the entire summer drinking at the Itaka bar every night without having any specific source of income. After spending around $30 on drinks (I'm sure she's got some arrangement with the bar - she's on first name terms with all the barmen) and 2 hours talking to her, my night ended without so much as a kiss. Damn and double damn, cos I missed a chance to get a tall blonde hooker plying her trade right next to me (and giving me the eye). I think she ended up with some Japanese tourist who was excitedly buying her drinks, thrilled with his pulling power.

Anyway, prior to the Jana experience, I had quietly gone off with two little 21 year olds (that I had met near the bar at Itaka) to drink some champagne & eat kiwi fruit at some strange bar of their choice (WooDog, that's not the place we initially drank OJ at near Western Club) just outside Arcadia beach. There, they sweetly told me how they would take me on a tour of Odessa's beaches the next day. And afterwards, they said, "we could both come over to your apartment for massage, you know, to relax". HeyHey!! They dutifully took my number and address and agreed to come over and meet me. "Do you have a swimming costume?" they asked. When I replied in the negative, they said that we MUST go shopping for one, so I can look really hot on the beach, "just like the ukrainian men" (I tried not to laugh). Little did I realise how full of evil the word "shopping" is when uttered by someone female and ukrainian :)

Sure enough, they turned up outside my apartment the next day at around 6pm, all dolled up. The first thing they "needed" before we could go to the beach were fancy beach bags (which I bought for them) and swimming costumes for the three of us (guess who paid). Of course, no beach visit is possible without the requisite pre-, during- and post-sun lotions, plus the hair and nail stuff for beautification afterwards. I let this nonsense continue until I had spent about $80 on the little SUKAs, at which point they remembered they had to go home to study for an exam the next day. Yeah, I know, serves me bloody well right for thinking with my 2 small brains rather than my larger one.

By Sunday things were looking desperate so we went down to the port area. There were hardly any girls there (other than the big fat mamasan). One, who looked a bit like Marty Feldman, temporarily put down her cigarette to make eye contact. I had previously tried to contact Ella, recommended by Doc Skank as being sweet natured and quite hot, but her line was busy. Cos loads of guys like me were ringing her ;)

So I leave Odessa with my tongue (but little else) wetted.

Well, WooDog and I are going to check out Nikolaev (where girls are just as hot but easier) later in the year. WooDog, how about the end of August Bank Holiday w/e, 25-28th?

And I'm off to Kiev in 2 weeks to see a buxom 22 year old architecture student called Tatyana, whom I met at bar 112 at the beginning of May. So, wish me luck!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.

[Rodney Munch]

Doctor Skank,

Thanks for a fantastic report with some great visuals. Those detailed descriptions are very nice. I can't wait to go back there at the end of July and am currently gathering as much info as I can on which summer clubs to hit. We are renting an apartment through www.odessaapts.com which provided a good experience overall when we were there in the winter. No water problems and the manager there is very nice, we kept asking her to order taxi for us. It's considerably cheaper and easier to call a taxi vs. hailing hailing one.

We didn't get to the X club but are planning on hitting it in July. Are there private rooms available at this place? I have a basic understanding of Russian and found their prices to be fairly steep, but in line with Western prices. Do you know how much girls quote, if at all at the club?

X Club: http://www.x-club.odessa.ua/index.php?id=0&lang=en

Our plan is to focus on the freebie scene in Arkadia, we'll likely establish contacts during the day at the beach and meet the girls at the club later that night. To them that's a second date in their heads, so odds of success are high. Seems like Ibiza and Itaka will be our main destinations although we'll probably go off the beaten path and try some of the smaller clubs in the area too. It's off the beaten path is when you find some real gems in my view. Our flat is supposed to be within 10 minute walk to Arkadia which is going to make commute home together much quicker and less painful. Based on what I can gather, there are a few other clubs worth visiting in Arkadia in the summer. Do you have any info on Assol, Luxor, Western Club and Pago which all appear to be in Arkadia as well. Have you been to any of these and describe if it's even worth leaving Ibiza and Itaka?

[Doctor_Skank]

RM:

x-Club is definitely worth a visit, but I didnt try to get any extras there. If someone does go that route, I hope they report on it.

I've been to Luxor, Pago and Western Club, which are good alternatives to Itaka and Ibiza, but certainly not as glam.... which can be a good thing.

I think the toughest club to score out of is Ibiza. Its the "high-roller" club and the favorite club of the freeloader type girl.

I was there last year and saw scores of tourists, including myself, get chewed up and spit out... like the first wave of infantry hitting Omaha beach getting mowed down. Took me a while to devise a flanking strategy that worked... :)

[Doctor_Skank]

The Odessan female:

Thanks for the great report ASH1001.

Dont feel too bad about getting taken by the freeloaders. Unfortunately the "freeloader" type girl is a very real part of the Odessan scene, something I didnt really figure out until last year either. Just like I said, "A phone number, a kiss, a date or a promise mean NOTHING in Odessa". It's a lesson that we all have to learn. As you read in my report, I declared war on the freeloaders this year and scored a minor victory... but it really was a hell of a battle, one that has been going on since I first discovered their game last year. :)

Fortunately I NEVER go shopping WITH girls and was able to escape without ever having a shopping trip, but I did give out a lot of drinks. That's club life though, and a part of club reality. I really dont mind that as long as I am the one calling the shots. And getting girls drunk is a strategy that I use shamelessly.

I also think think that gifts YOU SELECT are a great way to keep girls interested, so I do often buy the "regular girlfriends" some presents now and then... but on my own terms and on my own time(usually at duty free :) )... just like you do with a normal girlfriend. I have never been one to try to impress girls with money, I think it is ultimately the wrong way to deal with them. Sure you must show them you HAVE money and certainly I would never let a girl pay for her own meal if she is on a date with me... real men do get the bill on a date and real men do have money... especially in EE. But this doesnt mean that going shopping with a girl you just met is going to impress her. In fact, I think the effect is just the opposite.

You can also be sure that your two teens had at least a local boyfriend, and perhaps even more than one.

The sweet Masha1 I mentioned in my report, truly a sweet and charming girl, admits to having 3 (!) local boyfriends whom she milks and doesnt particularly like, and she thinks this is absolutely normal for Odessa... so it isnt just that they are targeting foreigners, we are just ideal targets since we have the courtesy to leave after a week or two and give them room to track down new victims. Beyond that, we are usually so horny that spending $100 on them in the hope to get laid is an easy sell. Take a look around, you'll find hundreds of girls with $400 phones and $300 handbags strolling the streets with no obvious source of income.

I love to fuck Odessan women, but I really despise them as well. The kind of overt dishonesty that you'll encounter with most Odessan women is something beyond compare and something you wont encounter as often in Kiev or Moscow.... and if you do take a girl shopping in Kiev, chances are she'll actually put out and give you some play.

For all the mongers heading to Odessa this year looking for freebies, dont give up hope. You can get laid in Odessa, I've done it many times. But dont take anything at face value and leave your dating perceptions at home. Your only goal is to get the girl out of the club and into your apartment. Behind closed doors, the mentality seems to change and the girls do put out pretty quickly.

And I am not saying you should be cheap... a follow up gift will go a lot farther than a gift beforehand. If you buy her stuff beforehand, she'll keep stringing you along as long as possible for more shopping trips. If you plan to be a return visitor, getting her a gift afterwards will keep her interested and she'll come around for some sex next time you are in town no strings attached no questions asked... at least that's been my experience.

[Ash1001]

Hi Guys,

Who's interested in doing Nikolaev over the last week end in August? It's the bank holiday weekend in the UK.

It's only 100 miles from Odessa but a world apart - girls every bit as hot but without the Odessan attitude. The landlady (Taya) of my Ekaterininskaya flat told me contemptuously that "it's just full of women with nothing to do waiting for a man. You want a smart, educated Odessa woman!". Yeah, right.

Doc Skank, Irish Lad, anyone else - interested? Doc Skank, you may need to set up a ticket-based queuing system for the women you pull over there :)

And - there are no shops there, so at least I'll be safe on that count :)

[Delgado]

Ash, Nikolaev might be an interesting place to visit. I remember my landlady in Odessa last year "warned" me about women in Nikolaev. She said they are so desperate they´d take anything.
Who told you they have no shops though? It´s a pretty large city, about 500,000 people live there.

[Delgado]

Hey, Ash, thats funny. I just read the name of your landlady was Taya. Thats the woman I was talking about. Looks like she told you the same story. Short blond woman in her forties, owner of the apartment in Ekaterinskaya, next to a small supermarket, right? I stayed at the same place last year.

[Irish Lad]

Hi Ash et al,

I'd be interested if my timetable suits. The Irish bank holiday is the first Monday in August. I will be in Odessa before then I hope. Myself and another Irish mate had planned to go there on my last visit but have "pencilled" it in for sooner than later.

I understand that the layout is a "strip" where all the bars and cafes are on. It's a weekend only venue which made decisions difficult. If all things go to plan then I will be based in Kiev from August onwards and plan to do quite a bit of weekend excursions to other Ukraine cities for research purposes.

IL

[Ash1001]

I really just meant that there are not loads and loads of upmarket fashion boutiques like in Odessa.

Yes, that's right, Taya's the short blonde woman in her (late?) forties who owns the Ekaterininskaya apartment. Little did she realise to what extent she was selling Nikolaev :)

[Azmitgom]

Anybody in Odessa at the moment?

A beer in Irish Pub?

I am staying till Tuesday.

[Zebulon1]

Before your report on Odessa, I was thinking that it could be a good idea to visit this place, especially because sun and beach, and girls.

Now I am not so sure.

Last year, I was in Kiev, and I used Gia and kievbeauty agencies, but in Odessa, after reading many reports, there is nothing like that.

May be I will find a good idea.

The last problem is, I don t speak russian.

[Boofer]

a ukranian friend just told me of a hotel downtown called "yamakrama" !!!! where loads of girls hang out. is that true?

[Ash1001]

Guys,

Don't take my experiences as a reason not to visit ODS. My brain was not really fully engaged when I got taken in. In fact I don't usually fall for scams so I can only put it down to the sunshine, sea air and high blood alcohol content :)

But to be honest, I think just about any other Ukrainian city will be an easier ride in terms of finding girls. Kiev, for example, seems fairly straightforward. If you buy a girl drinks she generally will give you something for your trouble.

There's a kind of calculating bloody mindedness with Odessa girls that's a little shocking to the uninitiated. But it really is worth going there at least once, if only to see a town where one in three girls looks like a supermodel. And if you keep your wits about you and play a tough game, you can get some gems.

The general rule is: keep a close eye on what you're getting compared with what you're giving out. If you seem to be in deficit, there's something fishy happening.

[Eros74]

It seems that if we will think and act in Ods as if we was in Russia, we all members will end to "date" our girls early morning...at the port :) , sad, but true, but if we will try to pick up and date girls there in the same way as we all do daily in our sex-prison countries, it can be very successfull holiday...

Sounds it right?

[BartonJunk]

Hi,

I will be in Odessa July 8-11. Anyone else gonna be there at this time?
Would love to have a beer and chat about the hobby. You can PM me if you're going to be around.

Can hardly wait for em yummy Odessan babes. :)

Bart

[Odessa Man]

A regular client of mine recently booked a return Aerosvit flight between Odessa and Kiev for himself and his girlfriend.Cost for both return tickets approx $400.However,if the Travel Agent was well informed he would have offered him tickets with the new operator at half the price!

Flight tickets for Odessa/Kiev/Odessa have soared in price during the past twelve months.Aerosvit used to have a $35 each way ticket that was readily available if you booked 5 days in advance.Although technically they still have cheaper seats these are virtually impossible to purchase as the price quoted is invariable $100 each way regardless of how early you book.

The new service between Odessa and Kiev is operated by Donbass Aero.I have had no problems getting tickets the day before travel for $50 each way.

A saving of $100 round trip.It is worth noting that there is another advantage of using this service.Flights are to Juliana,Kiev`s second airport located on the outskirts of town.The taxi fare is a mere 20 Hrivna to the center of town not the $20 from Borispil.

For those travelling to Odessa check my advert in the classifieds for great deals on apartments.

[Azmitgom]

5 days in Odessa made finally go away the depressing sensation of never ending winter I was experiencing in Brussels.

I rented an apartment in Odessa Executive Suites (I had found the info here on the board). Very good location on Deribasovskaya, very friendly staff (nice to be picked up at the airport by the beautiful Maria), confortable apartment with kitchen, satellite Tv, computer with internet. The building however is still under radical renovation. Imagine making your way through swarms of workers when you bring a girl upstairs.

I enjoyed discovering the city, walking around, taking buses to the beaches (imperative to learn to read cyrillic alphabet), using the 4 words of russian I learned before going, watching World Cup in sports café's terrace.

The women are just amazing, tall, beautiful, sexily dressed (with very little on in this season actually), and so many of them!

Never seen such a concentration of top models ! You can easily spend hours on café terrace and watch beauties passing by.

However I didn't get many eye contacts, so I tryed Arkadia. I went there early evening to have dinner, and already you have loud music coming out of the many big discos. By 10pm the crowds started arriving, but mostly teenagers (very sexy teenagers also). So I think Arkadia can be fun if you are in your twenties, but I'm 53 and so didn't even bother to get inside those clubs.

So I called Inna, (you need a local phone by the way, I rented mine from OES). She's tall, dark hair, very beautiful, great body, very professional. Maybe too professional for my taste, maybe she had a tight schedule, but she wanted things done and when I feel pressure I have much less pleasure (and hardness...). She stayed less than an hour. 100$.

The last night I called Elena. We almost couldn't match our schedules (I wanted to watch the Italy-Australia game...lousy game, I was ashamed of my team, Italy), but her voice was so sexy. So I met her at eleven and we went upstairs. Blonde, beautiful, marvelous smile,very affectionate she immediately made me feel confortable. We had nice conversation, nice kissing, marvelous sex, I was in paradise. She was like my girlfriend, I loved to have her around naked in my apartment, chatting and drinking a glass of wine. I was in love. It was late so she even stayed for the night.

Elena also asks for 100$ which seems the standard for beautiful women in Odessa.
The prospect of meeting her again will certainly weight heavily in the decision to come back to Odessa !

[Rain City]

I am currently in Odessa. Anybody fancy to meet up, PM me.

[CA Traveler]

Doc… as you know, I’ve been traveling and I regret not being able to respond to your post on Odessa sooner. On the other hand, I’ve read your post several times and I can’t allow your negative comments to go without comment.

Since it does no good for me to comment on either your women or the weather, I would just like to present your review in another perspective…

You made it sound like you were “deceived” by being in such a large apartment that cost more than a normal two-bedroom flat. If you will recall, you were originally booked into a one-bedroom apartment and at the last minute, at least for a summer booking, you were joined by “M” and required a two-bedroom flat.

At the time, you were given two choices which were available and you chose the four-bedroom place since you and “M” had lived in the apartment next door for 8 days last year. During that time, I know you had a chance to see both that “big” apartment and the “really big” apartment which were both in the final stages of construction then. Your post makes it appear that I held a gun to your head and forced you to take this apartment, when in reality, not only did you receive a discount on the apartment, but you also had another two-bedroom apartment as an option, with a full size Jacuzzi, at half the price and you choose this apartment… I assume because you had seen it under construction and you knew what to expect.

Regarding the internet, as you well know… this is the FSU and things happen. I have been without Internet, which also serves the apartment you were in, for the past three days because of a lightning strike nearby… Now if that isn’t an Act of God, I don’t know what is! Right now, I don’t know the exact circumstances of your Internet outage, but it could have been anything. In any case, you got what you paid for since it was… FREE.

It is true that the water pressure was less than normal during part of your stay, but when there are so many problems routinely with the normal city services, it sometimes takes a little time to realize that the problem was in the apartment system, a clogged filter, which was quickly resolved. For that problem, we apologize. In the meantime, as I understand it, my home was opened up at least once for you and “M” to wash off all of the bodily fluids you had accumulated over the previous hours.

However, just one observation about your comments and the “backup” water supply… it is impossible to provide a “backup” water supply that lasts forever. If the water supply is disrupted by the city, at some point the water supply will run dry and when the back up is empty, you are in the same position as everyone else. VERY few other apartments in Odessa even have a backup supply of ONE liter let alone 250 liters… The new OES facility has a back up supply of 6,000 liters, but even that could run dry if the city water is out.

That said, the most personally offensive thing in your post is the big deal you made about the “shitty” little Jacuzzi tub.

I am surprised, and more than a little offended, at your comments since I told you very specifically without sugarcoating it at the time you were considering your options that the big flat did have a very small Jacuzzi tub/shower, but it should NOT be considered in your decision because it was not anything more than a small bathtub shower combo and it would definitely not fit multiple bodies in it. Perhaps you were in a “second stage” memory situation and the ”little head” is doing the thinking when you formulated this negative opinion, and you “forgot” my comments, but it is personally offensive when you imply that I swindled you into taking this apartment…

Overall, I will say to you, or anyone else who stays with us, we appreciate your business and we will do whatever it takes to solve a problem or place you someplace without the problem. With this in mind, it is important to us to hear about a problem since we are not mind readers and it’s the only way we can solve a specific problem and improve our overall service to our clients. We consider this response to the inevitable FSU problems as critical to our success in this marketplace.

At the same time we try to go out of our way to provide more service to the mongers who visit by sharing our knowledge of the local attractions… but of course when the “king” shows up, that service becomes less than necessary.

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:

If there was any implication in my posts that you misled me, than it was unintentional and inaccurate. You and the OES staff were always honest, cooperative and helpful.

I noted that many times in my original report and the subsequent ones that followed.

I also made a point to mention that a substitute shower was offered to my flat mate and myself, which was much-appreciated. Moreover I made comments saying that I am sure things will continue to improve as your business develops. I have the utmost confidence that OES will reach the standard you aspire to, to being the top agency in Odessa. Perhaps you are already there now in your opinion, but I did still see room for improvement and cannot say I was 100% happy with the way things went.

I also stated that the problems I wrote about are FSU problems and cannot be blamed entirely on the agency, in the case of the water I am not familiar with the technical aspects of water supply in that particular apartment, I just know that the following day a technician showed up, worked for about 45 minutes and suddenly we had water.

Of course we both look at our reports and views subjectively, but I was trying to be objective as possible.

The lack of water for actually what was more than 24 hours was a serious buzz kill, and even though I obviously know that these things happen in ODS occasionally, I did feel it necessary to write about it. ISG readers can take this info for whats its worth.

The lack of tea, coffee, sugar or salt and pepper as standard apartment stock is not up to par with top service agencies. Seems a small issue to some, but tea is an essential part of any FSU apartment and on the first night it isnt guaranteed that the guest will be able to go shopping. I know you offer PASS, but the very basics should be standard in my opinion. I am sure you agree, as your original joint in Moscow, Moscow STAR, did set new standards there which other agencies have since adopted.

I dont recall making a big deal about the jacuzzi in my post, I just mentioned that it is shitty, which it is. No surprise though, a decent jacuzzi is rare in agency apartments. My point was to let potential renters know that the jacuzzi in Bunina 33 is not a reason to take the apartment, as it is virtually unusable.

I think if neutral readers read the post, they'll certainly know what to expect when they rent the Bunina 33 apartment, which I lauded in the sense that its huge and clean and big enough for 3-4 guys. They'll also know that OES is a good agency with excellent service as I reported.

The internet was down for much of my stay and a significant annoyance, whose fault it was is not my issue. I was just reporting the situation.

OES is marginally more expensive than some of the other agencies. At the time of my stay many of the newly-remodeled/renovated apartments/suites werent yet ready.

I think the readership also deserves to know of the kind of problems they can expect in ODS, problems that occur when using OES as well. Again, I cannot say whose fault what was, but just rather report on my experience.

I called it like I saw it. None of what I wrote should be considered particularly anti-OES, it is just a reflection of the facts and events from my point of view, and can be used by ISG readers as a reference when planning their trip.

[Ffmbud]

Hey Doc,

In defense of CT, I think you should be considering staying in a hotel, with all that whining about this and that. I'm happy with the fact that you can trust the OES boys or any other apartment service to deliver a room as promised when you arrive at the price quoted.

The way I figure, if I'm saving anywhere from 50 to 65%, each and every night on room/lodging costs, one learns to accept the minor inconveniences (no water pressure, limited hot water, questionable internet access or none)when they occur (due to reasons beyond the control of the apartment service). Otherwise, stay in a hotel and put up with the idiosyncrasies of each hotel establishment depending on the hotel chain and the locale, which is not necessarily any guarantee that you're complaints would not be repeated, especially in the hinterlands of FSR. Missing teabags.......sheesh, hell with the hotel rates, I guess one should complain about missing condoms in the nightstand? If that's so important perhaps they should be part of your travel kit.

In my travel kit, when I stay in apartments, in addition to toiletries, I include instant coffee, tea bags (yes), couple of mini-packets of sugar/salt/pepper, a few packages of instant soup, mini-bottles of shampoo and liquid body soap for those situations which I may not have the time to hit the grocery store due to late arrival. I may even buy a few bottles of water at the airport if my arrival is late.

That's the advice, I'd offer to newbies if I were you, such an experienced FSU traveler as you claim. Otherwise, you sound too much like the soft bellied average American hotel dweller!

[Doctor_Skank]

FFMBud:

After many years of FSU experience, I am certainly able to judge apartment agencies.

As I said, OES is a good trustworthy agency, but I think they can improve and certainly not everything went right on my stay. Some of the technical problems are indeed FSU-routine and unrelated to the actual agency, but I have also had better experience from other FSU agencies in other terms. Could also be that the circumstances were just not in my favor. I know however what to expect when staying at an apartment or hotel, both good and bad. Call it soft-bellied if you must, I am just making a comparison.

If you'd rather I gave you the sugar-coated report on ODS I could. I however prefer to call it like I see it and experience it. Thats the purpose of the forum, unless I am terribly mistaken.

[Cruiser D]

Fm, when one bills themselves as an 'American' (not European, not EE) style apartment service at American + rates (pricing is due to the rather unique popular EE destination pricing structure) one doesn't expect typical EE service with the lies err, misinformation of western service. No one knows this better then another American. He also knows how Americans will react when given less then adequate service - it isn't pretty. Americans set the bar high when it comes to service, if you don't want to meet it don't charge $100+/night for an apartment. Packing a kit as you described is cute when you are a Boy Scout camping in a tent, not when you are shelling out $100+/night.

Geez, the things guys will put up with to go poon hunting...

This is in no way an editorial on OES - I will post mine if and when I go to ODS and if and when I use OES. This is simple a comment on someones musing that it is ok to accept sub standard service. It's attitudes like that which will continue the western prices at EE service practices.

[CA Traveler]

doc... thanks for your comments. First of all, as I said I've been traveling in sex prison for the past three weeks and if I didn't have someone looking over my shoulder, I was logged on to a public library computer which sent off fireworks and alerted the police if an attempt is made to access a "SEX" site. Of course, I could have probably downloaded bomb making instructions in arabic if I had wanted but that is another discussion.

So, while in this exile I rec'd several emails from friends/fellow mongers who happen to know us both personally commenting on your "negative" post and noted with shock at the detail which you felt obilgated to report. I am sure I built up the anticipation for finally reading it a few days ago. And I suppose I would have let it pass if there hadn't been continued whining about the "shitty" jacuzzi, especially since I had told you that it really wasn't a jacuzzi in the first place.

That said, OES is not yet up to the standards that it will be, but to clarify... Odessa Executive Suites is the facility located on Deribasovskaya/Krasny behind the old Fidels and McDonalds. The other nearby apartments are owned by The Odessa Group, but are even billed as a separate entity with slightly different standards.

Many of the new apartments of OES are open and the comments have been very favorable on the apartments themselves, but unfortunately there is still construction going on in another building which is a bit of an annoyance, but it will improve dramatically over the near future with the imminent completion and opening of the front desk, stairway and sauna. Later after all construction on the last couple of apartments are finished, the courtyard and archway entry will be paved with cobblestones and the outdoor breakfast area will be opened.

Of course, in the meantime, we recognize that there are many things still to be done which is the reason that we chose to offer free continental breakfast to all of our guests for the balance of the year as a way of saying thank you for dealing with the few things yet to be completed.

The other TOG apartments are quickly being brought up to OES standards, even though it was not planned to include "tea" and other condiments, we will certainly consider that as an upgrade to all of our apartments.

Believe it or not, we do take seriously constructive comments and we do take action to make changes when they make good sense.

ffmbud, next time you visit ODS, you can leave your S&P at home! BUT, it is still BYOC, since we will definitely NOT be putting condoms in the side tables... that would be a good way to drive our business into the hole with the way our guests are tapping the local talent 24/7! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Ca_T:

To close the chapter on my supposed soft-bellied whining, you may remember that when you offered me the other apartment with the "better" jacuzzi, you also noted that it probably wouldnt be finished by my arrival on June 15. You were open and up front about this. For that reason we selected the Bunina place, rather than go with an uncertain option of an almost finished apartment. Perhaps I selected poorly, but I've since moved on "emotionally" and am no longer losing sleep over this.... :) The Bunina apartment, provided it has water, is actually a very nice apartment... but you are right, the jacuzzi really isnt one.

In a previous post you also mentioned that I had even received a discount. I am not aware of any discount received, as I did pay $195/night up front for a total of $585.... its the price advertised on the site for a 3 day + stay. Please correct me if I am wrong. I dont recall asking for a discount or you saying you'd give one, so this is a non-issue, I just want to set the record straight.

Regarding the water, you do advertise "As in all OES properties, a back-up water supply and separate hot water heater is provided to ease the inconvenience of the occasional water stoppage in the city." Maybe I misunderstood or over interpreted "ease", and I certainly dont want to dwell on the issue, however I hardly think the general concensus should be that I simply be advised to "stop whining". It was a legit observation.

I really have stopped thinking about the apartment at all long ago and am instead looking ahead to my next excursion into Dyevland... provided of course you havent informed the border guards of my impending arrival... :)

FFMBud:

Cruiser D is right in the sense that I certainly judge an apartment and my relative satisfaction with it based on the price I am paying for it and on the expectations I have based on the agency. There definitely is a difference between a $50 apartment offered by a locally-run agency and a $195 "luxury" apartment run by an experienced American operator in terms of expectation. The apartment I stayed in was absolutely fine in almost all aspects and based on its immense size more or less appropriately priced, however the lauded "seperate water supply" and "individual hot water" advertised on the website were unavailable for more than 24 hours. The helpful staff was able to offer us a substitute shower after about 24 hours and the problem was fixed the following day, but nonetheless our expectations were not entirely met. I think you can understand my mild dissatisfaction in this regard, despite my knowledge and experience in terms of EE life. I think simply labeling me "soft" or saying that I am "whining" is a cheap and unfounded accusation.

[CA Traveler]

doc... I guess you are right that I didnt' give a discount, but be assured that according to our policy you will get one next time as a repeat guest, even if you are a weiner... er, whiner! :)

Actually, there was a two-bedroom with a jacuzzi that wasn't complete yet, though it is now, there was another one on Pushkinskaya with a jacuzzi for half the price of the big flat.

Plus, the big flat does in fact have a 250 ltr. backup water supply and there is an individual hot water heater for the flat, but it is located next door in the flat you stayed in last year. As I stated before, a backup water tank is only as good as the city water going into it because nothing lasts forever.

Don't worry about the next border crossing... my influence pretty much stops at my front door and even that is questionable at times. However, you probably should worry about the trail of broken hearts and sore orifices you and "M" leave behind... pun intended. :)

[Jerome49]

Hello !

Excuse me if i am not a current (usual) membership in these forums but I am a beginner. I'm french I'm 47 looks < 40 .

I wonder why you (travellers to UA) never talk about Moldova which is very close to Odessa. Why is Moldova so little attractive for you ?

(I still hesitate between the two country) Is it a question of language ? If you speak Russian more than Romanian.

I've got a very recent internet non pro contact in Odessa, she says she don't speak any foreign language but is PhD in Ukrainian ! ??? Is that not strange ?

Thanks for your advice .

[Odessa Man]

For some, arriving in Odessa, Ukraine for the first time can be a challenging experience. A former client of mine from the south of England arrived here with great hope and expectation and not a little naivety.

On his very first night out, after a tour of the local bars and cafes he finished up at Vicherney Odessa, a well known and popular nightclub. It wasn't long before he engaged a group of girls at the bar in conversation and began buying them drinks. The sense of occasion added to the effect of the Stella Artois aroused his natural exhuberance and he soon attracted the attention of the club's Security Staff. He was politely asked to leave and escorted from the club.

As misfortune would have it there just happened to be a Police car outside. On being asked for his documents the drunken tourist replied that they were in his apartment. The duty bound officers informed him that they would like to inspect them and suggested that they proceed there together.

On arriving the tourist retrieved his wallet containing his passport from the apartments safe. The Police inspected it, returned it to the greatful tourist and suggested that they enjoy a glass of vodka together. After about 20 minutes of banter the officers left the apartment.

On awakening the next morning the hungover visitor soon discovered that his mobile phone, camera and all of his money, some $1200 were missing.

Going out for a beer in Odessa is not the same as doing so in say downtown Manchester or Chicago, where this kind of thing is much less likely to happen. Not all Police Officers in Ukraine are corrupt and dishonest. However, their salaries are very low and most look to augment them by various means. If you exercise caution and use your common sense you should have no problems. For those planning a visit to Odessa check my advert in the Classified Section or PM me.

[Ffmbud]

Doc: You certainly can't compare the $165, 3 bdrm, 2 bathroom you stayed in to the $50 studio you'd get in ODS at peak season. I know as I stayed there once myself. In fact, per bedroom its only a bit more than $50/person. Your mild dissatifaction doesn't seem to be of their making, it would be like attributing the lousy weather to them.

Cruiser D: I wasn't a Boy Scout but it sure helps having been one, in terms of survival skills going to locales unknown. Again the hotel rates in the same towns/cities are at least double what the apartment agencies offer. One has to do the math and figure if the minor inconveniences matter that much in terms of value.

I value the ability to call on the apartment provider 24/7 should I have a problem, even unrelated to the apartment, by trustworthy Americans, who seem to care about your experience and welfare, which OES offers. They're more than an apartment agency, they're more like a "Welcome Wagon" service in addition, which I appreciated and used. I know it sounds like an advert for OES, but having experienced other apartment providers in Moscow, Prague, Budapest, Kazan, SPB, ect. now, in comparison, I'd rate these guys top of the list recognizing they only started up 3-4 months ago.

[Doctor_Skank]

FFMBud,

Apparently you didnt read what I wrote very closely. Besides the fact that it was $195/night and not the $165 you quote in your last post (maybe prices have gone up since you stayed there or you had a long-term rate or discount), I wasnt really complaining about the price as I did state a few times that it was a huge apartment suitable for 3-4 guys, nor was I complaining about the problems that are chronic in EE such as water stoppage etc.... its just that the apartment was advertised as having its own seperate water supply, seperate water heater etc, which is one of the reasons I chose it. Apparently it actually does have a second supply, or rather the building has a seperate supply, but this tank was not filled at the time and this feature subsequently of no use to me. So for me, these extra features didnt help me at all. OES may not have been able to influence the situation, however the apartment didnt come exactly as billed since I didnt have water for the first night and morning, despite the "seperate supply".

Moreover, I also wrote often enough that I was quite satisfied in general with OES and have known Ca_T for several years and can definitely vouch for his honesty, character and ability to start up and manage an apartment agency professionally, so for me the case is closed on this and I will use OES again in the future. That said, I dont think my comments were whining, but rather just observational and representing my perspective.

So stop whining about my whining.... and I will to. Promise. :)

[James 006]

I have been on the website and I'm shure this is the club for me.

BUT

Is there any one who ever fucked some of the girls in there?

Information is welcome!

[Cruiser D]

One good way to tell if a cop is corrupt...if he wants to have drinks with you while on duty.

I am sure the cops were cruising the clubs looking for a pigeon - who knows it could have been a set up with security.


Hey FM...for a guy who touts his survival kit and being ready for anything why the need for 24/7 service? Oddly enough the only thing I want from an apartment service is a great apartment - I can provide the rest.



For some, arriving in Odessa, Ukraine for the first time can be a challenging experience. A former client of mine from the south of England arrived here with great hope and expectation and not a little naivety.

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[Rain City]

This is my second visit to ODS, and I have noticed that more people speak or understand English this time than last year. This could be due to a number of reasons: 1) I used internet to meet up with girls who can speak English; 2) since school is over, more college students are in town or in clubs; or 3) people realized the benefit of speaking English and more people learned it.

In any case, as Doctor has so eloquently stated, I found so many of the girls in ODS to be free loaders. It is true that girls on the street or clubs are VERY impressive. ODS has one of the highest concentrations of babes in the world, IMHO. But they know their value also. Especially the English speaking girls -- they know they are in high demand. They expect you to buy them drinks, pay for the entrance to the clubs, or take them out for shopping, etc. They flirt with you, they may give you a kiss, but that's as far as they will go. I ended up meeting a lot of beautiful girls (not 9 - 10, but around 8 range), wining and dining, and in the end, no action.

I hope my fellow mongers do better than I in ODS. Some one has to teach these girls a lesson:-).

[Rain City]

I have tried a few pros so far in ODS. Compare to the incredible girls walking on the street, pro scene is more like just average, IMHO. Or rather, because regular girls are so attractive, you feel like pro girls are kind of let down.

In any case, let me share my experience (age, height are my guess).

1. Inna (25 yr old, 5'8" - 5'9", slim build, dark hair)
So far the best looking pro in ODS. She has professional attitude (maybe too professional to my liking), but provides almost everything for $100/1.5 hrs. She speaks perfect English. I would rate her 6/9/8 (face/body/service).

2. Ella (23 yr old, 5'6", medium build, blonde)
The best GFE in ODS, IMO. She has a beautiful face, and her service is absolutely amazing. She provides everything for $100/2 hrs, but with passion! If she likes you, she might stay all night with you. She also speaks English well. I would rate her 8/7/10 (I really cannot think any better service).

3. Angelina (late 20s, 5'5", slightly heavy set, dyed blonde)
She also provides everything for $100/1.5 hrs. It seems a standard price for girls who provide all options. IMO, she is considerably less attractive than Inna or Ella. Still her service is one of the kind. Very limited English. I would rate her 5/5/8.

[Rain City]

In addition to those $100 pros, I tried $50 pros. They are not necessarily less attractive than $100 pros, but they offer more of the limited service.

1. Maria (22 yr old, 5'1", slightly heavy set, red hair)
She speaks practically no English. So you need to go through mamasan, at least the first time. Once she knows who you are and where you stay, you can call her directly and arrange the subsequent meetings. She does bbbj and ball licking, but not cim or cof. No anal. Very upbeat personality. It's fun to be around, even though she does not speak English. 6/5/7 (face/body/service).

2. Evgeniya (20 yr old, 5'1", medium build, blonde)
She works for the same mamasan as Maria. She speaks no English either. She is younger and prettier than Maria, but her service is not as good. Everything was covered, and she left right after the session was over. She only stayed for 30 min, instead of 1 hour. 7/7/5 (face/body/service).

3. Ilona (mid - late 20s, 5'1", medium build, blonde)
She speaks very good English, and provides bbbj. Although she is not as attractive or young as the girls like Maria or Evgeniya, she compensates that with more of GFE. 5/6/7.5 (face/body/service). As a side note, her sister Alina used to work also, but Ilona informed me that now her sister is retired (at least for now).

I got all of pro contact info from CA_T's partner at OES. As previously reported, OES is going through drastic renovation. There are some inconveniences right now (e.g. not being able to use sauna, you have to have balshoy balls to bring grils while local crew working on the property during daytime, and so on), but it's going to be a wonderful facility once it's completed. People at OES are very friendly and helpful. I'd definitely use their service when I come back to ODS next time.

[Eros74]

Rain Man, thanks for the report,specially the part about amateur.

Yes Doc eloquently stated the sad truth, that Ods seems packed with tons of free loaders, so I guess how can be the best way to teach them the lesson?

The easy way should be to be Brad Pitt looking, beauty man has sucessfull everywhere, or to live there, so you could have all the time to spot them slowly. But I am as most of us, so I look average and I do not live there.

So anybody has some suggests how to get them "sleep" with us without getting to pay more $ with regular than with pro?

Cause I think that to see daily so much beauty girls without score them has to be enough frustrating.

Maybe try to avoid the turistic diskos and pubs? Try to care them not so much? Or what else?

Because I am SURE there also tons of regular girls nice looking that are not free loaders, so how to find them?

[Rain City]

During my stay in ODS, I was stopped by three police officers on Deribasovskaya street, right in front of the McD. They asked my passport (they said "document") and unfortunately I did not have it with me. After a brief conversation, I asked "if there is anything I can offer". The English speaking guy asked me how much. I offered 100 grivna and they took me to a side street to accept my offer.

I don't know if I offered too much. I thought about 50 grivna, but I knew I did not have 50 grivna bill, and I don't want to look through my wallet while they watch (to let them know how much I have in it). So I thought giving 100 grivna bill was the easiest thing.

Anybody else had this experience? What is the going rate in ODS or in Kiev?

[Rain City]

Restaurants I do not recommend:
1. Steak House on Deribasovskaya. It's supposed to be one of the best restaurants in Ukraine. But I was not impressed. Nothing special and it was kind of pricey.
2. Mexican restaurant (sorry forgot the name) on Ekaterininskaya towards the north end of town. Really bad Mexican food.
3. Irish Pub on Deribasovskaya. Food and beer were okay, but it's so over-priced.

Restaurants I recommend:
1. Kumanechu at the corner of Gavannaya and Lanjeronovskaya. One of the best Ukrainian restaurants in town. Very popular. Price is not too bad.
2. Yokohama on Deribasovskaya. They serve Japanese/sushi/Thai food. Good food, but expensive.
3. A pastry shop (forgot the name) on Lanjeronavskaya, near Kumanechu. The best French pastries in town. You pay $2.50/pastry. Cafe in upstairs and some seats in downstairs also.
4. Blewpub at Ekaterininskaya #1. Good tea/dessert/food. Expensive.
5. Hotorok near Shevchenko park. Good Ukrainian restaurant. Expensive.

I hope this helps.

[CA Traveler]

RC... Please tell us more about the BLEWPUB you endorse! :) Sounds like a place to put in the normal rotation!

Actually, you left off one of the best places right across the street from the expensive pastry shop, Pizzeria Pulcinellos. Very good Italian food, sadly with no outdoor seating but great food. Music on F, S and Su nights.

Also, the food at Zara's is good, but it seems like gourmet with all of the beauties walking around.

[More Lamour]

Gents,

I have heard that you can pick up the camagra jello straight from the normal chemists? Anyone got more info?

It is not actually a banned drug in the UK they just make it difficult to get hold of.

Don't want to get sold some duffers.

Interested in Viagra or Cialis.

Should be in Odessa last 10 days of this month with Jolly Jack!

Avast behind me hearty's. Or it that just UK women! Miaoooow

Also interested in actually buying a propoerty out there so anyone with any experince feel free to drop me a line.

[LifeSavour]

During my stay in ODS, I was stopped by three police officers on Deribasovskaya street, right in front of the McD. They asked my passport (they said "document") and unfortunately I did not have it with me. After a brief conversation, I asked "if there is anything I can offer". The English speaking guy asked me how much. I offered 100 grivna and they took me to a side street to accept my offer.

I don't know if I offered too much. I thought about 50 grivna, but I knew I did not have 50 grivna bill, and I don't want to look through my wallet while they watch (to let them know how much I have in it). So I thought giving 100 grivna bill was the easiest thing.

Anybody else had this experience? What is the going rate in ODS or in Kiev?

I have been visitng UKR since 2000. Have lived in Sevastopol and twice in Kiev, this time now since Oct. 2004. I carry NO documents and have never been stopped - perhaps its my attitude - or 'ornery disposition' (disagreeable, and contrary in disposition; cantankerous) HA!

I have been told USA citizens do not need to carry documentation? Does anyone KNOW the law?

Thanks, LS Guy

[Doctor_Skank]

LS:

According to the US embassy, the law is that you must carry your passport with you... but in my opinion this seems to be a bit of a gray area.

When in UKR I almost never carry my original passport, but instead take a photocopy. I can't say if that will suffice, because I have personally have never been stopped by the police in UKR. They seem quite docile however, especially when compared to Russian police, who can be a real hassle.

This is what the US Embassy says:

"Carry your U.S. passport at all times (as required by Ukrainian law), but keep a photocopy of the passport and any Ukrainian visa you may have in a safe place to make it easier to replace them in case of loss or theft. "

I have never heard of passport bribe scams in Ukraine, but you should at least have a copy of the passport with you. If you want to be totally safe, carry the original. When out clubbing though, I think carrying the original could be asking for trouble in terms of loss of theft.

http://kiev.usembassy.gov/amcit_security_ukrinfo_eng.html

[More Lamour]

No matter where you go in the World it is well worth leaving a photocopy of your passport with friends back home.

If you get in a misshap then get your friends to fax thro the copy.

It will save an awful lot of hassle and only takes a few minutes out of your time.

When in Odessa do the apartments have safes?

We are looking to rent via

www.odessaaptscom

They seem to have good write ups.

What are the beaches like?

Will be there end of July beginning of August

[Michi Michi]

Hi,

I'm an italian guy and I will be in Odessa next week. I have read all post in this section of ISG but still I haven't a complete idea of the panorama of "girl for sex" in the city. I mean: nightclubs, escort agency, streetwalkers.

Can someone give me some hints about this questions and where I can go if I'm looikng for some funny time during afternoon until night, a part Irish Pub and Arkadia discoteques?

Is there some place like "SweetParadise" in Prague, or "River Palace" in Kiev, or something like FKK or sauna, or some agency like GIA or www.intimkiev.com posted in Kiev section?

What about street *****s? Are they so bad and ill?

Thanks for all replies, I will write my report when I will come back to home.

[CA Traveler]

MM... There is really nothing like NF or CF in Moscow or RP is KIev in Odessa... unfortunately. But, there are a lot of working girls around, you just have to get into the system to find them and one usually leads to several more as you figuratively and literally "drill down" in the supply chain.

RE: Passports... When in Russia, I always carry my passport. I've never carried it in Ukraine however and have only been asked by the militicia for it once or twice. I do carry a copy with my visa and propiska, plus an English translation with me at all times since I do have to show others for various reasons. Of course, most people do not have a visa so you'd be OK with just the main page of the passport. Generally the militica do not hassle you here like in RU, but they can be just as much of a problem in the right circumstances.

ML... regarding safes in apartments... As far as I know only two apartment providers, including ours, that offer safes, both operated by expats. BUT, that said, if you book with someone who has to place you in a flat not owned by the apartment rental company, there is very little chance it will have a safe installed.

[Odessa Man]

If you wish to part with your hard earned "Nelson Eddies" for fun in Odessa the following are your main options:

1. Street Action.

The main Deribasovskaya St and Primorskaya Bvld are the principal beats. Best bet are visiting girls from out of town looking to subsidise their stay. From $50 upwards per hour is typical.

2. Arcadia.

The bar areas at Ibitza and Itaka are popular spots.

3. Hotels and Bars.

The bars at the Black Sea Hotel, Londonskaya Hotel and Odessa Hotel (Panorama Bar 19th fl.) Typical price is around $200 for 1-2 hrs. Girls are typically 7s. Bars:The Irish Bar has been well touted in this Forum.This venue can be hit or miss ie either a Miss Piggy or a Miss World.However, it is worth remembering that it stays open 24 hrs and it has often been for many a predatory tourist in the past, a last chance saloon (breakfast with desert to take out).

4. Saunas.

There are a number of Saunas (usually in the basement of buildings) in Odessa that are essentially brothels. Price around $50 for a choice from about 5 girls or so.

5. Brothels.

Some apartments in town are used solely for the "Oldest Profession". What's on offer here is similar to the Saunas.

6. Classifieds.

"Makler" is the newspaper for personal ads. All ads are in Russian. You may be lucky and find someone who speaks English. Rates from $30 upwards. Quality varies. Typically 6s and 7s.

7. Internet.

Amongst the sites with relevance to Odessa are:www.odessa-x.com, and the regular rendezvous site www.mail.ru and its many offshoots.

Profiles in pink on the latter are from girls who require you to cross their palms with silver!


8. Odessa Port.

Not surprisingly Odessa Port has a Red Light area. English speaking Mamasams are evident. Price from $50 upwards.

9.Mamasams

There are a few Mamasams in town with varying amounts of young girls working for them. Prices are around $50 for an hour.

Anyone looking for more specific information is welcome to PM me or contact me via my website (see my ad in the classified section).

[Eros74]

So short and so complete info!

Btw could you please kindly me answer to few questions?

1: Street Action
Deribasoskaya is pretty long,so in which part exactly they are situated?

4:Saunas/5: Brothels
Where to find saunas-brothels? Asking to taxi car or you could suggest some newpapers? (besides Makler?).

Thanks in advance and huppy hunting! :)

[Bez Bezarra]

Yo.

1. How many times have you been stopped by the Polizi OUTSIDE
of Moskva and St. Pitr?

2. Of ALL the times the Polizi stopped you, if you ALWAYS had it with
you, what do you think they would have done with ya, if ya only had
a copy of your passport and visa?

[Doctor_Skank]

Bez:

Never been stopped for document check outside of Moskva and Pitr. Ever. In any country. Not getting stopped in Russia anymore either, I guess I have perfected the DFWMSDS (dont fuck with me Slavic defense scowl). (knock on wood)

Don't know what they would've done had I only had a photocopy. I suspect they would have given me the run around until I gave them 200 rubles ($7) or just got bored and left.

What's your policy? Like I said, in UKR I am much more relaxed about passports than in Rossia... is Bez travelling FSU Bez Pasporta? Have you perfected your DFWMSDS?

Lukasek:

I've been stopped a couple of times on Deribasovskaya by a young female tout asking if I wanted a "senorita". Don't know why she chose to address me in Spanish. I checked out her stock (she was only a tout but actually the nicest looking, albeit quite young) and her girls were average, port-level quality so I passed. One of the girls had a huge pitbull, which mit have influenced my decision to keep moving... :) I was stopped just down from McDonalds.... basically right in front of the new OES complex.. Maybe she was a Ca_T remote-controlled fembot. I wouldnt put it past him, with his unbounded entrepreneurial spirit... :)

[Eros74]

That's was very good joke Doc!!! :)

So close Mac in front of OES, good. Did you asked their price?

Do you know something about the location of pro in Primorskaya blv, written by O-Man?

If I remember well, and I think so , you'd look like as spagnolo ******! :)

[Doctor_Skank]

Lukasek,

The price for street action was the same as everywhere essentially, $50/hour. Primorsky Blvd. is towards the port, near Londonskaya Hotel. Its a long tree-lined walking promenade and a place you should go anyway, because it is scenic. Lots of Ukrainian and international tourists walk along there, including young girls. I never was approached there, nor did I really get far by talking to anyone.... but you may have better luck. If there are pros, they are probably essentially the same girls as the port lineup, with the same 4-6 quality and $50/hour prices. Try it out, I really dont have much experience there and maybe I missed something.

Here is a map.

http://www.odessa-guide.com/odessamap.shtml

The girls working Deribasovskaya are pretty much impossible to tell from normal tourists, at least until we were approached by the tout, I wouldnt have recognized them as pros, they just looked like somewhat dumpy average rinok-clothed local girls and were not near the quality of the local sponsored hotties in their D&G gear and Prada handbags... but still fuckable. I personally think that walking up and down Deribasovskaya looking for pros isnt necessarily the best plan, but who knows, you might have luck. I honestly wasnt looking, so maybe if I was I would have noticed more. And remember, taxi drivers can always find you girls and that saunas/pimps are listed in the local newspapers.

Michi michi:

The street/port *****s aren't that bad, but definitely wear a condom for all action. They are pretty used and fuck sailors. What more do I have to say? Do some shopping and pick the one you like.

X-club:

You can get private numbers from the strippers working x-Club, they wont openly give you the number though... you'll have to have a private dance with them, about $15-20. What happens after yoou meet them and what the price is, I cant say since I never actually met them outside the club. I imagine they want about $100-150 for 2-3 hours to meet you during the day in your apartment.

God, just talking about Odessa makes me jealous of anyone going there... maybe you'll get lucky and Ca_T's fembots will capture you and never let you go...:)

[Tommasini]

Hi Doc:),

Your advice is always useful and appreciated! I was recently in Odessa this last New Years, and learned the basic layout of the city by basically sticking my finger in the air and seeing which way the wind was blowing? Not real proficient methods. But I got lucky a few times! :)P

Anyway, curious if you can give me some information on where this X-Club is located, and any warnings when in an Odessa strip club? Things not to do, that I might normally do north of the border in Canada or here in the States?

Enjoy the summer, and thanks ahead of time!

Tommasini

[Odessa Man]

Luk: The stretch of Deribasovskaya between the end of the City Park (where the cinema is) and Rishelyevskaya St is prime patrol patch for WG's.

Makler is the main paper for classifieds. Whatever is available locally should be listed there.

My guess is that there are 12-15 establishments in the town that are either Brothels or Saunas. If you want specific info PM me.

There is a wider and more important point here that needs to be stressed and it's this: WHAT % OF ODESSA GIRLS WILL ACCEPT MONEY FOR SEX?

Here in Odessa and in Ukraine generally, more than almost any other country in the world, it should be recognised that there are different tiers of Working Girls. From the hard core Street Girls to the elite Professional Escorts. Its the options in between where it becomes interesting and that offer the greatest scope for satisfaction, vfm and even perhaps long-term associations.

There are many cash-strapped students and normal girls doing regular 9-5 type jobs, often earning $200 a month or less (coupled with Ukranians very liberal even promiscous attitude to sex), who given the right circumstances will be quite content to accept say from $50-$100 for a few hours with an annonymous tourist. Where can they be found?Well just about anywhere.

So whats the answer to the $64.000 question? 50%? .Perhaps 60 or 70%?
Suffice to say that more WILL than won`t.

[WooDog]

Hey guys,

I am looking for any info on Liza from www.vodkaescorts.com. I am trying to get some insight on weather or not to book her for the high dollars VE wants for there girls! She is definetly very pretty!

Thanks

[Rocco 55]

i have finally recovered after 9 days of absolute mayhem and chaotic activities and i am happy to give you guys my full report.

first a very general comment. has anyone seen an odessa airport? i didn't know those still exist. it looks like an aging soviet outdoor warehous of old military equipment. some planes, which appear to be functional exist but other than that it has little resemblences to anything that anyone would consider a real international airport although. after sweating for a few minutes at the customs, with a man who for the life of him could not crack a smile we were finally in odessa and quiet relieved to see that our driver was in fact waiting for us. after reading some of the more recent posts, i am relieved to say we did not have any issues with apartment at all. we booked at odessaapts.com and found the aparmtnet to be just like advertised, with the exception of description of the common entrance to the building which smelled of cat [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) and overall looked like a bomb went off inside it. however, once inside the apartment what a difference! the place was huge and i can say it is one of the nicest apartments i have ever been inside. after settling the bill with julia, who my friend managed to convince to come out with us at least one night we made plans to hit arkadia right away. we are 4 guys in total, 1 which is a former odessa immigrant but had not been there for many years but of course can speak the language and was a gem from a local intelligence standpoint.

we decided to hit ibiza right away. i heard a lot about this club even from guys on the plane which were coming from spain and were going to visit ibiza every night they were there. got to arkadia with no problems except for one minor one which was a total blackout in the arkadia area. i think if this happened in us there would be looting, fights and all other nonsesne that typically accompnies blackouts but in arkadia things were i suppose as usual. the nigthclubs have generators i guess so they were functioning at full blast but there was no light anwyehre else. later in the night the power was restored but this fact did not deter anyone going out and ibiza was mobbed. eye candy galroe. whatever you want, blonds, brunetts, big t*ts, small t*ts, tanned, skinny, athletic it's all there. the place consists of a few levels and the tables is where the action is at. we went to the manager right away and learned quickly that table reservations must be made in person, on the morning of the event. a bit retarded if you ask me but for a $20 as my russian friend put forward, we quickly resolved this issue and made a reservation for saturday night. that was going to be the night i go for a super model of which there is plenty of. so the first night after a lot of alcohol consumed, all 5 of us stumbled home or rather stumbled to the cab to take us home for a good night of sleep. my friends had already made more than enough contacts for the next few days and the language speaker already had 3 phone numbers for girls who wanted to go to the beach the following day.

next morning we worked out a plan and headed to riviera beach, which is considered one of the better ones in odessa. there were 3 hotties already waiting for us, compliments of our russian friend who hooked it all up. why did i not take russian in high school / college??? why why. anyway, we got them inside (small cover to get inside, i think around $3) and treated them to some ice cream. the girls were pretty lively, struggling to speak some english but i chose my target and played it safe. by the time we were leaving, plans had been made to meet in arkadia later that night. when we got to arkadia we had a table waiting for us, which assured us a high roller status. the girls arrived a bit later and called us up to come meet them outside the club. of course this was so we could pay for them. after a night of dancing, the deal was sealed and i was taking lena home who was quite intoxicated and was getting wound up even in the cab ride. the driver had a smirk on his face the entire time, as lenawas constantly trying to unzip my pants. once home, she was due for a good poking which i doubt she will forget anytime soon, although since she was drunk she probably does not even remember it but had she been sober sh would. you get my point.

next day, after tossing l out into the streets and telling her we should get together later in the week we decide to go to arkadia beach to see if we can make some contact. arkadia is a huge complex so it is difficult navigating your way to the beach that offers the best odds. we wound up settling for the beach that is near some water slides since it had a higher density of hotties than other areas. our russian friend was waisting no time and soon we were positioned perfectly on our beach chairs next to two girls, both 18 wearing tiny thongs and topless. after some conversation my friend said the girls were provincial due to the fact they would not say where they were from (they were visiting for the summer from some town where they go to school) and were very impressed with the fact we were from us but gave us relatively cold answers and said that their favorite thing to do is to dance the night away at arkdia. if i spoke the langauge i certainly would have informed them of my favorite activities, which take place usually after dnacing. the only problem was there were 2 of them and 4 of us. either way, we invited them to arkadia later that evening and told them to call us when they show up. this night 2 of us wound up at itaka and the other guys went to ibiza again. itaka is quiet a scene. in terms of flavor of girls it probably offers even more than ibiiza. the space is larger and there were a number of other expats. few girls by the bar that appeared to be working but they were barely 6s, but most of the normal girls if you want to call them that, were 8s with sprinks of 9 and 10s around. few had boyfriends but most were in pairs, clearly looking to party. we checked out the scene and then my friend got the call from the provincial babes. we hesitated and talked it over for a second since there was so much game inside the club we wanted to concentrate. we were also hesitating since the girls were so young but after long dialogue decided to pursue the already established contanct. once again, paid for their entrance and started working on getting them drunk. marina, which is the girl i wound up with did not want to drink heavily, contrary to my suggestions to buy some shots. she just wanted to dance, with which i obliged reluctantly. while dancing, i couldn't help thinkign to myself how amazing this place was. huge pillars, overlooking the large beach and sea, left to right, all around there was all these slick people dancing to this euro pop trash but at the same time i have never seen so many amazing looking girls in one place at once.

finally after, much effort, we convinced the girls to do a couple of 'exotic' drinks with us. we asked the bartender to make us an absinthe drink, which i typically stay away from but for the sake of getting laid with an 18 year old decided to endure. the potion worked its magic and soon enough, we were on our 2nd drink, with girls commenting on how interesting the drink was and how cool it looked when it was on fire. after the 2nd drink, things were clearly looking up for me. marina was visibly buzzed or hammered, depending on how you look at it and it was time to go for the kill. acting on advice of my friend, i did not ask but told her that we are going home shortly to which she just nodded. in bed there was not much fire or passion, mainly due to her age but man does it feel amazing to be with an 18 year old again. this girl's body was unreal, i forgot that they even exist like this. all firm, just perfect. i was in heaven even if the sex was pretty shitty. in the morning i felt a bit bad of taking such egregious advantage of an 18 year old so decided to take her to breakfast, just 1 on 1 and struggle through the langauge barrier. we went to the irish pub which was just a few minutes from our apartmnet. the conversation was kept to a minimum and mostly while eating we were both doing a bit of people watching. something was telling me i was not going to see marina again but i was quiet alright with it, the pictures on my phone camera will keep the memory from that night fresh for awhile.

part 2 about our wild night out at riviera nightclub coming up.

editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.

[Tommasini]

Nice trip man! :)) Hope you can add some pics to these stories?

[Explorer69]

I spent a week in Odessa in the beginning of this month and stayed in OES. While in Odessa I read to my astonishment the complaints about OES from one contributor at this site. Odessa has many excellent matters to contribute including the girls, I had a great time, but I will here only add my view on OES. During the last 5 years I have probably been about 40 times in FUS countries: mostly in St Petersburg and Kiev, but also in Moscow and once in Minsk. Except for 4-5 times staying in hotels (usually 5 star), I have always used appartments. OES is the by far best option I have had in any of these places: nice, functional appartments, and a very friendly staff. They were helpful in every way. High quality service in every aspect by OES. However, I must add that all fascilities are not yet installed, they are still in the establishment process. Furthermore one can expect a few events common to all FUS countries like electricity being down for 1 hour, etc. But this does not reduce the excellent quality of OES. And by the way, I am in no way connected to the people running OES:))

[Ok Farm Boy]

Any one going to Odessa from the 3rd to the 13th. Looking for a beer drinking girl chasing buddy.

[Fido Dido]

Any one going to Odessa from the 3rd to the 13th. Looking for a beer drinking girl chasing buddy.Sorry Farm Boy, I would have liked drinking a beer with you. Unfortunately I will be in Odessa the last two weeks of august. Anyone else cares for a beer in those weeks?

[Patter75]

I am in O from August 20 to 28. If you want, we can meet, Just PM

[Ok Farm Boy]

I had a deal come up and had to change my plans I will now be in Odessa from the 17th to the 24th pm me if anyone wants to meet.

[Eros74]

Hey members we are in high season and here is getting slow, nobody want to write few lines, a little report?

I will appreciate it waiting to be out there :)

Btw anybody has some adress of banya in Odessa where is possible to order also girls? Thanks!

[LifeSavour]

Guys, I am in Kiev - She is in Odessa!

Escort Services (it includes her contact numbers & 2 ok photos)

http://www.ua-date.com/profiles/index.php?ct=woman&md=details&id=9379

LS Guy

[Loso69]

Timing

I was in Odessa:

July 15 - July 24 (9 nights)

Statistics

During my 9-day stay in Odessa, I had:

ST: 10
LT: 1
Girls: 9

The First Night

Anton (from OES) picked me up at the airport and showed me my apartment. He suggested I visit Zara Pizzara and the adjacent 99 Sportsman Bar later in the afternoon. Since the weather was nice, there were bound to be plenty of available girls.

And since it was a Saturday night, Anton recommended I visit Arkadia after 11PM. In the discos, it would be easy to find a girl to keep me company for the night.

Pick up a ST on a terrace and a LT in a disco. Sounded great!

After unpacking, getting some money from a Bankomat (ATM) and buying a local SIM card and some groceries, I was ready to go out and get my first taste of Odessa pussy.

I sat down at Zara Pizzara and ordered a meal. As I was eating, I got a call from GoofyMan (from WSA). After finishing my dinner, I joined him at his table. GoofyMan had been in town for three days, had been to Arkadia every night and...hadn’t gotten laid even once. That didn’t sound so good!

GoofyMan retired to his room, called one of the numbers Anton had provided him with and finally got laid. I paid my bill, walked over to the 99 Sportsman Bar, found a table next to some hot girls and ordered a beer. But the girls wouldn’t return my smiles and when I tried to talk to them, all I got was “Nyet”. Friendly girls in Odessa!

Never mind. There was always Arkadia. I returned to my room, showered and changed my clothes and shared a taxi to Arkadia with a group of Germans.

The dance floor at Ibiza was full of eye candy and there were many more girls than guys. Seemed like a great scene. Yet none of the girls would talk to me. Not a single smile all night. After my 1st night in Odessa turned out to be a total disaster, I only had one thing on my mind: “I wanna go home!”

Arkadia

Ibiza

After a horrible 1st night in Ibiza, I’d had enough. I never went back.

Itaka

Monday Night

On Monday night, I ventured back to Arkadia and tried my luck in Itaka. When I walked in, there were about 50 girls on the dance floor and about 5 guys. Sounds great, right?

But when they played a slow song for couples to dance, their boyfriends got off their lazy ass and it became clear that 90% of the girls were unavailable.

I was doing my thing on the dance floor when a cutie who loved to shake her ass like Shakira caught my attention. And she was smiling at me! I tried to talk to her, but it was difficult, as she only spoke a little English.

When Svieta and her friends sat down, I positioned myself at the bar and kept eye contact with her. When a FWC hit on me, Svieta seemed jealous and was quick to invite me to sit down with her. She was from Belarus and was visiting Odessa with 2 girlfriends and a married couple. Communication was difficult, but I enjoyed flirting and slow dancing with her. And I loved to watch her shake that ass, as Svieta, her friends and I danced the night away…around a girl’s handbag. Belarus must be the Essex of the FSU. :)

As it got late, the married guy tried to convince Svieta to spend the night with me, telling her: “I don’t want you in my house”. But she wouldn’t hear of it, saying he was crazy – well, he was drunk as a skunk.

BTW, Svieta’s friends were hit on by a group of young Dutch guys. None of them got laid either.

Anton’s Advice

When I told Anton about my night in Itaka, he gave me the following advice:

- Don’t spend your time on the dance floor. The girls who are looking for company sit at the bar.
- Don’t waste your time with girls who come in groups. You’ll never be able to pull one girl away from the group.

Weird place!

Friday Night

Where I normally spend all my time on the dance floor in a disco, I headed straight for the bar when I revisited Itaka a few days later. But I wasn’t the only guy to have heard Anton’s advice. There were about 10 guys to every girl!

But I did spot 2 hot blondes sitting alone. Tatiana and her sister were tourists from…Belarus. Tatiana had the cutest freckles, a gorgeous smile and spoke some English. We talked and flirted for a while. When the girls disappeared to the bathroom, I went to the dance floor. They were hit on by loads of guys (both foreigners and Russians). Some of them were buying them bottles of champagne. They still left unaccompanied.

I talked to a few other girls and also met a pro on Friday. Alexandra offered me “sex massage” for 100$ for an hour. She was the wrong side of 30.

Sunday Night

I also spent my final night in Odessa in Itaka. As on the previous nights, looking for a girl that meets supply with demand turned out to be a hopeless cause.

General

Observations

While most girls who had boyfriends would totally ignore me, some were giving me the sweetest of smiles. But when I tried to approach them, they didn’t wanna know. The girls who ignored me had boyfriends their age. The ones who smiled at me were with Russians at least twice their age. Trophy wife or P4P?

Every time I visited the Arkadia discos, I bought a kebab on my way out and sat down on a bench, watching the parade of people walking past. Of course, I was looking out for young girls accompanied by foreigners twice their age. I never saw any. In most cases, the couples belonged to the same age group. When the guy was much older than the girl, he was invariably Russian.

Other Foreigners

My first night in Arkadia, I met up with a group of 5 young German guys. They all struck out at Ibiza.

On my second night, I shared a taxi with 2 Italians, who’d been in town for a number of days already. They found it impossible to get laid in Odessa.

That same night, I met a group of young Dutch guys. They were hitting on every girl they saw, but failed to get laid.

I talked to a number of other foreigners in Arkadia. When I asked them if they’d managed to fuck any of the girls they met in the disco, the answer was invariably: “No”.

Conclusions

Odessa and its Arkadia discos are the Ibiza of the FSU, where affluent Russians come to party over the summer months.

Most of the stunners come with their boyfriend, even though the guy may not always be around. Obviously, these girls are off-limits.

The tourist girls who are looking for company want Russian guys their age, not foreigners twice their age.

From the comments I’ve read on other sites, local Odessa girls are notorious cockteasers. These freeloaders string guys along, but will never put out. I spotted a couple of these “Don’t you wanna buy me a drink, honey” girls in Itaka. I avoided them.

Dancing ‘till dawn in an open-air disco can be fun. But it should be followed by a romp in the hay. It never was.

Taxis

The taxis in the tourist area will not go to Arkadia for less than 40 UAH. But it’s generally pretty easy to find other foreigners you can share a taxi with.

BTW, the locals always call a taxi. From the centre to Arkadia, the fare is only 20 UAH. But of course, you need to speak Russian to be able to call a taxi.

Leaving Arkadia after a horrible first night, I needed to walk off my anger. I ignored all the taxis and walked all the way to the war statue. On the corner, I saw a guy standing outside a Lada. He didn’t speak a word of English, but seemed to understand where I was going and readily accepted my first offer of 30 UAH.

Since I was never able to meet a girl, I walked to the statue or further every time I visited Arkadia. And, from the 2nd time, I never paid more than 20 UAH to get home.

Pick-up Spots

Terraces

There are a number of places in town that are reputed to be pick-up spots where the pros hang out:

- Zara Pizzara
- 99 Sportsman Bar
- Irish Pub
- Turkish restaurant across the street from the Irish Pub.

I walked past these places many times a day, looking for that elusive pro. I never found one.

In the Irish Pub, I never spotted any attractive unaccompanied girls. In Zara Pizzara & the adjacent Sportsman Bar, there was often plenty of eye candy. Most of them ignored me. I did get to talk to a few girls, but never got any further than that.

Turkish Disco

The Turkish disco (next to the Turkish restaurant) has quite a few working girls. One night, I spotted a real beauty in there, but she wouldn’t talk to me. When I asked Ola (a friend of a cousin of a girl I fucked) why she wouldn’t talk to me, she gave it to me straight. Most girls in there don’t speak any English and only want Russian customers.

Another day, I spotted a girl I’d seen in the Turkish disco before, walking down the street. When I tried to talk to her, she gave me a whole lotta crap in Russian, finished it off with a “nyet” and waved her hands indicating she wanted me to get lost. Another foreigner-lover!

Streetwalkers

At night, street walkers can be found along Deribasovskaya. But the quality was so low, I couldn’t imagine myself fucking any of these girls. The one time I did notice a girl I was interested in, her friend said…she only went with Russians.

Promenade

The Promenade, which is lined with benches and leads to the steps down to the harbor area, is also a pick-up spot. I got quite a few smiles from the girls sitting on the benches as I was walking past...but they lost interest as soon as they found out I couldn’t speak any Russian.

Dress Sharp?

One day, when all my jeans were dirty, I was wearing black pants and a bright red shirt. I noticed I attracted a lot more attention from the girls. Could it be the sharp-dressed man routine?

That night, as I was walking home with Alona, I was talking to her about my inability to find any working girls in Odessa. She said that some pros will approach a guy if he obviously looks like a foreigner. But the way I dressed, I looked as if I could be...Russian.

That explained a lot!

Anton’s Numbers

Katya / Ira

The first of Anton’s numbers I called was Katya’s. She was supposed to be a beautiful girl who charges 100$ for an hour. But the girl who showed up at my apartment was her friend Ira – Katya had her period and had given her phone to Ira.

Ira was a redhead the wrong side of 30, but still wanted 100$. I used the fact that she would only give me a CBJ as an excuse to send her packing.

I dialed Katya’s number a few more times, hoping to meet the real Katya. She never picked up the phone.

Suzi / Alexandra / Alona

Suzi and her friends Alexandra (Sasha) and Alona were 3 of the best girls I met in Odessa. Getting Suzi’s phone number was a blessing.

Kristina

When I called Kristina in the afternoon, we arranged a meeting at 7PM. I waited for half an hour...she didn’t show. I sent her messages and called her...she didn’t answer.

The b*tch stood me up!

Inna

I saved Inna’s phone number for my final night in Odessa. She was at the beach when I called her in the afternoon, but she called me back when she was in town.

Inna provided good service, but was in a bit of a hurry as she was going to a concert in Ibiza.

Conclusions

- Girls I met through phone numbers provided by Anton accounted for:
* 4 out of 9 girls
* 5 out of 11 experiences (4ST; 1LT)

- The apartment provided by OES was great. But the main reason I was staying at OES was that I realized I would need some help to get laid in Odessa:
* On the one hand, I’m grateful for the phone numbers provided by Anton. This trip wasn’t exactly a success; without Anton’s phone numbers, it would have been a total disaster.
* On the other hand, I expected more. Four phone numbers isn’t exactly a lot. And when I requested some more numbers, Anton didn’t come up with the goodies.

Mamasan Dina

I found Mamasan Dina’s number on ISG. When I called her, she brought me Albina (Alya), who was a real beauty who provided lousy service. When I called her back to complain about the service, she brought me a girl who would provide good service – a FWC I wasn’t interested in.

After our first meeting, Dina knew that:
- I only wanted beautiful young girls and would turn down any girl that wasn’t up to scratch.
- I wanted girls that provided decent service and would complain if the service was below par.
- Having said that, my standards, both in terms of looks and service, weren’t all that high – I simply couldn’t afford to be too picky.

The girls provided by Mamasan Dina cost me 100$ each – 50$ for Dina, 50$ for the girl. Dina knew she could bring over as many girls as she could and would make 50$ off each one – easy money! The fact that she only provided me with 2 girls is another indication of how poor the P4P scene in Odessa really is.

BTW, if you fancy her, Mamasan Dina is available as well.

Finding Pros in Odessa

The girls whose phone number was provided by Anton (and their friends) and the girls brought to me by Mamasan Dina (and their friends) accounted for almost all the girls I fucked in Odessa. The only exception was a girl I met through a phone number provided by GoofyMan.

In 9 days in Odessa, I was unable to meet a single attractive working girl by myself. Amazing statistic!

The problem in Odessa is that:
- There are few working girls.
* There are even fewer working girls that speak English and are willing to service foreigners.
- Even the places where the pros are supposed to hang out (Arkadia, terraces), are full of tourists and regular girls.
* If only one girl out of 100 is P4P, how the hell are you supposed to find her? I found it impossible.
* BeachFrance (from WSA) commented that you’re probably better off visiting Odessa during the low season. With fewer tourists around, you may indeed have a better chance of finding the pros.

In a place where mongers find it very difficult to meet pros, you would think that the P4P girls are fully booked all the time. Wrong! It’s just as difficult for them to meet customers as it is for mongers to find girls.
- Russian girls will rarely approach a guy – you have to make the 1st move.
- Very few of the tourists in Odessa are foreign mongers. Most are Russian with a dash of foreigners, most of which are looking to score freebies with regular girls. Few guys are willing to pay for sex.
- Suzi, a beautiful girl who provides great service, actually asked me to put her phone number on the Internet, so she could meet more customers. Unbelievable, but true.

Socials

There was a social in Odessa while I was in town. Alona was one of the girls in attendance. This is what she had to say about them:

- The tour consists of 3 socials, in Odessa, Nikolaev and Mariupol.
- There were about 200 girls at the Odessa social, and about 65 guys.
- Some of the girls at the socials don’t speak English at all. Many of them have a limited command of the language. Alona was really popular because she speaks good English.
- Hardly any of the girls at the socials are P4P girls. Alona only recognized one other working girl.
- Alona doesn’t put out with guys she meets at a social...unless they buy her gifts equivalent in value to what she normally charges. There’s no such thing as free sex!

After the social, I noticed many more couples speaking English around town. I guess these guys met the girls at the social.

Dating Sites / Marriage Sites

Many guys come to Odessa to meet girls they’ve met on dating/marriage sites. That’s also the approach Anton recommends for visitors to Odessa. For him, “Regular girls are just another form of P4P”.

As most mongers will agree, they’re an expensive form of P4P! It can be worth it in the long run, but if you only wanna fuck a girl once, then move on to the next one, regular girls are a waste of time and money.

Besides, I would never be able to pass the interview stage anyway. I’m a natural born monger and, unlike most guys, I can’t be bothered to lie to the girls to get into their pants.

Ever since I discovered P4P, over a decade ago, I have totally lost interest in regular girls. I like the simplicity and instant gratification that P4P affords. I haven’t been on a date in years and will never date again. I take their picture, I fuck them, I pay them. That's all.

Looks

Everywhere you go in Odessa, you’ll see plenty of stunning beauties. Some of them are local girls; others are the beau monde of the FSU on holiday in Odessa.

Compared to the girls you’ll see walking down the street, the quality of the P4P girls in Odessa is extremely low. I’ve never visited any town where there was such a stark contrast between the beauty of the P4P girls compared to the regular girls.

Service

Compared to the few places in Eastern Europe I’ve visited, the level of service in Odessa was pretty good. Most girls did DFK (8 out of 9) and the majority gave BBBJs (6 out of 9). Some of the girls were really passionate lovers.

Still, from what I’d read on the boards, Russian girls were supposed to be cum-guzzling 3-holers. Total sluts that are up for anything. I never received that kind of service in Odessa. Of course, the Ukraine isn’t Russia. And Odessa isn’t Moscow.

Pictures

The 1st girl I met in Odessa was Eleonora, whose number I found on ISG. She started French kissing me straight away and seemed to be a really passionate girl. But she categorically refused to let me take any pictures. I had no choice but to let her go.

When I talked to Anton about pictures, he recommended I take pictures after sex, when the girl would be more relaxed. But he warned me that only 1 out of 4 girls in Odessa would agree to pictures.

I continued doing things my way, making pictures part of the deal. Some girls requested extra money for pictures, but apart from Eleonora, not a single girl refused to have her picture taken. My final score was 9 out of 10.

What goes for pictures also goes for anything else you might require – negotiate in advance. Unless it’s part of the deal, the girl is unlikely to do anything she doesn’t really want to do (like BBBJ).

Final Words

If you wanna gaze at the eye candy, then have a wank fantasizing about them, go to Odessa.

If you wanna try your luck with the girls from the dating/marriage agencies, go to Odessa.

If you wanna get laid, go somewhere that actually has a P4P scene.

The little time I spent with some of the girls I met, I was happy. The rest of the time, I was bored. But most of all, I was frustrated at being unable to find any pussy.

I came to Odessa to add to my collection of white chicks and to fuck my brains out. I counted on minimum 2-3 girls a day. But I simply couldn’t find any hoes willing to take my money. I actually had to resort to wanking!

And, of course, I never got what I really wanted. A supermodel trophy fuck white girl to add to my collection. I’ll get that elusive 10 some day...but it won’t be in Odessa.

PS

Maybe wearing a T-shirt like this would help in Odessa?

Loso

[Bbois77]

Loso69...fab report...sorry you didnt hit the whoring heights you would have liked..........................or is the report so bad as to keep the rest of us from going to Odessa???????

[Hotravel]

Guys, I am in Kiev - She is in Odessa!

Escort Services (it includes her contact numbers & 2 ok photos)

http://www.ua-date.com/profiles/index.php?ct=woman&md=details&id=9379

LS GuyHi,

This profile doesnt work. BTW, I saw a scam picture on a site. The photo of real model from Odessa used in a probably fiction profile from Eastern UKR city.

[Eros74]

bbois77 I scare his report is sad but truth at 110%...Doctor_Skank too wrote how it is hard to spot regular in ODS.

Loso69 thanks, great detailed report that deserve to be in reports of distinction! Btw will you post your foto? Thanks man :)

I guess how is hard to see everywhere so many pussy and do not be able to pick up them...enough frustrating.

I hope in september I will find less turists...

Poka

[Explorer69]

Loso,

Very interesting report! I was in Odessa one month ago for the first time. I was more interested in having a relaxed time and maybe meeting a girl - if I was happy with her - several times. I did and for me it was a success, I had a very nice time. But I was totally limited to the phone numbers provided by Anton and CT, and I had the feeling that without them I would be lost. I wonder if I have also met Eleonora, what was her phone number? Is she blond?

[CharlieH]

Fantastic report, Loso! Very informative, thanks.

[Doctor_Skank]

Loso:

Wow, great report!

You covered just about everything, but just a couple of personal comments on this topic from my side:

Ibiza:
In my experience, Ibiza is the high-roller disco and the worst place to look for regular/freebies. Most girls are there to show off and have drinks etc. bought for them. Chances of scoring low, unless you actually bring your own date... which most local guys do. Foreigners hoping to score the local eye candy there are usually destined for disappointment. I have however met several good-looking pros there offering their services for $100-150/3 hours. They do exist. I wouldnt say they are top drawer looks-wise, but quite ok. I didnt find them by looking for them directly, more by chance. I just approached some girls standing or sitting alone hoping to get to know them and eventually get in their pants, and they turned out to be pros. I didnt actually use any of their services, but did get prices and maintain sms contact for some time with them.

Dress code:
Its a beach resort town, so overdressing is just as much of a "crime" as underdressing... Odessa is more "anything goes" than other EE locales IMHO.

Russians vs. Foreigners:
I never noticed pros preferring Russians to foreigners. I always thought they'd fuck everything and everyone as long as money was involved. Never personally had problems in this respect in terms of working girls rejecting me, but do speak enough Russian to get by quite well. Where you will definitely can have problems with rejection is when calling girls (usually pro internet contacts) on the phone. If she only speaks Russian and you don't speak it well, its quite customary for them to simply hang up on you. Happened to me more than once, and I speak decent Russian. As soon as I asked her a question though or asked her to repeat something, she ended the call abruptly.

Scoring ratios among foreigners:
In my trips to Odessa it did seem that most foreign guys I noticed did go home alone, even if they seemed to be doing well early in the night dancing and drinking with girls. Have seen plenty of dejected Americans, Italians, Germans or English making the "the long stroll of sadness" home alone. Most of these guys, I assume, were there to try to score some free pussy. I myself have also gone home often enough alone. That said, it is possible to score freebies/regulars at Arkadia or anywhere in Odessa... but despite the hype that Odessa has received at times, it certainly isnt easier than other places. Somehow it does seem that the town promises more than it delivers...

Turkish disco:
I've never been treated so rudely by girls anywhere as I was there. Went there once, was unceremoniously given the brush off by every girl there, scowled at by the bar staff and never went back. Maybe it is some sort of insider place for sailors or something? Anyway, it is way off my to do list and sunk somewhere in the Black Sea.

Overall P4P quality:
Overall average at best, although I still rave about Ella's service, she was great in terms of performance... assuming we are all talking about the same Ella of course. As for Russian P4P vs. Ukrainian P4P, I felt level of service was similar, but obviously the variety of choice and relative beauty of the girls was higher in Russia. Odessa is fairly cheap though, I will give it that. I also can't claim to be an Odessan P4P expert, my experience is fairly limited with Odessan pros. I suspect there is more out there than I have been exposed to. As for "everything goes" in Russia, that is a YMMV situation as well. Plenty of "don't do this" and "don't do that" in Russia as well.

The frustration factor:
Invariably in Odessa, you will see girls walking around that are a lot hotter than those you will actually be able to fuck. Plenty of 9+s in ODS, but virtually all of it out of reach for anything but the best players or those willing to blow serious cash on shopping trips/sponsorship etc. I think time is needed as well, on a short trip you'll likely do more chasing/spending than catching/fucking when it comes to the top drawer broads. For pure eye candy, Odessa is world class, especially in August when the rich Russians and Ukrainians bring in their girlfriends. Most of these girls are off limits, at least in my experience.

Girls in the 6-8 category are more numerous and more available, and both myself and several other members seemed to do well here in terms of freebie scoring... but it can take a combination of luck, nerves, skill and some more luck.

Taxis:
Generally anybody will take you to Arkadia for 15-20 Grv max. Coming back from Ibiza expect to pay 20-40 Grv, depending on how far you walk away from the entrance and how resilient you are at bargaining. I generally pay 15 to get there and 20 to get back, but have paid 25 or 30 often enough as well. I quickly get bored with haggling over 5 grv.

Language:
Speakiing Russian isnt an absolute must, but speaking intermediate or even advanced beginner Russian will certainly increase your odds of scoring regulars/freebies and communicating effectively with pros. Most pros I met (although it wasnt many) spoke only Russian. Ella was a rare exception. Many of the local "freebie" type girls also speak only very limited or no English.

Your final words:
You are right on the money from a monger standpoint. Odessa is a fun beach holiday location for those looking to chase freebies. Your success there finding girls to fuck for "free" is a classic YMMV situation, but it certainly isnt always going to be easy. This seems to get worse with every passing year. I used to think it was because of increasing foreign competition, but is probably actually a combination of more foreign competition and the fact that the locals have upped their game (and back accounts) considerably as well. I still recommend those interested in chasing freebies to give it a shot though, I always had fun in Odessa... despite occassional frustrations. The eye candy on a good night at Itaka is breathtaking, especially if you like barely clothed teens writhing in erotic poses under a moonlit sky... maybe its just me, but I like that a lot...

As for p4p, I have yet to personally really see how Odessa can be considered a great p4p destination... the scene is still underdeveloped and for the non-local monger, largely inaccessible. I wouldnt go there just for p4p, there are better places IMHO. Maybe Odessa will improve with time or I am just missing something (like inside info), or maybe it really is better in the offseason...

[Loso69]

Explorer69,

Eleonara is a natural blonde. Her phone number, which I found on this site, is +380674588619. Anton told me he had seen pictures of her (semi-nude), but she refused to let me take any pictures (fully dressed), even though she knew it was a deal-breaker. Maybe the guy posted the pictures somewhere, and she found out about it. The fact that she’s starting a regular job in Kharkov soon may also be the reason.

Doctor Skank,

Many thanks for the insightful comments from someone who obviously knows the scene a lot better than I do.

A few remarks:
- I don’t speak a word of Russian.
- Every one of the 9 girls I fucked spoke decent English.
- Most of the customers in the Turkish disco looked like Arabs to me. Seems as if it’s an Arabs-only place.
- I generally approached really hot girls. I’d already had average-looking girls. I wanted a supermodel. Not surprisingly, I failed.

Loso

[Loso69]

I shouldn't forget to post Suzi's number, as I promised I would.

Suzi: +380677098365.

Suzi is a really slim 22yo brunette with sparkling green eyes, nice tits and a great body.

She can also introduce you to her friends:

Alexandra (Sasha) is a 19yo sweetie with long platinum-blonde hair and a great figure. She's a beauty, but has a scar down her mid-riff from a car accident.

Alona is a petite platinum-blonde and an extremely passionate lover.

All 3 girls provide great service and speak good English.

Their rates are:

70$ for an hour
100$ for 2 hours
200$ for all night (until early morning)
300$ for 24 hours

Loso

[Ash1001]

Maybe this report should strictly be in the Kiev section (as I'm about to praise RP), but I really wonder why so many of us spend the time, money and sweat looking for girls in a snooty dump like Odessa. If anything, Odessa is the kind of place I'd take my young family to if I were a Moscow executive with some kids to entertain over the holidays. And I hear the Opera House is one of the best in EE..

For an idea of what devious, money-grabbing, uncooperative suki Odessa girls can be, read my June report. I managed to make out (only) with a freebie on my first night and that was something to be proud of.

And if you feel bad about not being able to pull the Gucci-clad supermodels you see walking along Deribasovskaya St. or posing in Ibiza, don't worry: they're not freebies for anyone. A local minigarch is 'sponsoring' them. I hear the going rate for a real hottie is about $2 000 per month (though perving at them is free of charge). For that kind of dough, give me 10 take outs from RP any day :)

I was in River Palace in Kiev on Saturday (5th August) and the selection was stunning - maybe I picked a good night, but there were relatively few guys there and it seemed you could have anything you wanted for an absolute maximum of $200 (seriously guys, don't ever pay more than this - this amount should get you RP's answer to Cindy Crawford :)

The girls seemed to vary from girl next door cute to gorgeous - I can't think of a reason to go anywhere else. OK, you do get the odd one or two who have a bit of attitude, don't want to kiss you, ask for too much $ etc. but shop around a bit and the quality is there. Most, especially the occasionals/amateurs will give you their phone numbers after the act and meet you for freebies or reduced rate sessions.

My theory is that Kiev has a huge influx of ambitious young girls from all over Ukraine who want to make it their home and get ahead in their careers. The ones who narrowly fail to become models usually end up at RP. Which is nice for us ;)

Odessa, however, attracts the FSU lotus-eaters - those who already have money because they're with a millionaire sponsor or have rich parents. They just won't be interested in what a (middle class) westerner has to offer. The possible exception to this is going in autumn/winter and checking out the student hang outs. This might work.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for directions for posting a link to a specific report.

[Bez Bezarra]

is Bez travelling FSU Bez Pasporta?

Have you perfected your DFWMSDS?



Why, yes I am. I mean uh...da!

Under new moniker, KGB officer Tengiz Sabirzhan.
New policy directive; attemp intimacy with any female
party members that my member "accidentally" brushes up
against.

First fembot jabbed Bez with hypodermic to clear medical.
Another bot getting multiple fingerprintings and digital foto-file.

Dossier processed to deep cover plant Bez penetration mission
extract informatz on sex perversions of suspicious studyenkas
name Marina and Karina at technical institute. Then Bez does
intelligence study of insertion subjects Masha and Dasha at
Vibration Sector 9 of condom factory.

Here is example, Slutaya Trampova.

She underwent extensive interrogation
until signed full confession of crime
against state for failing to swallow full
load letting 2 cc sperma drip off chin.

[Ash1001]

I notice that the teeth of Ukrainian are not terrible in addition doped girls are thus held the arm mistrust even if I did not deal with doped. It has a child but can take his feet with the foreigners, attention being strongly excited it wanted to be impaled on me without condom.Sorry, but does anyone understand what this means? I once tried to read Finnegan's Wake by James Joyce. It appears that Vince here has a similar literary style :)

[Felix Nordic]

Loso;

Great report about reality! I have been there myself many times, but I seem to learn slowly over the years how to behave in EE. If I only had the skill I have today in 2003 when my EE huting begun! But for sure its not all gold as some reports might give the impression of. Far from it! The new commer can never have the success of a seasoned veteran! Im a normal income guy and we can never compare to the rich hunters with their atributes. Ofcourse personality matters as well, along with a number of other factors. You just got to find the thing that works for you!
But on the other hand, a friend of mine, shags many girls in Moldova never paying for more than a cup of tea or a glas of juice! And he dont drive a mercedes! But he stay on site for a long time and in average he dont shag a new girl per week. Infact, he is a bl--dy expert and knows the local sceene by heart! But face it, the good years are gone!

IMO a bit of russian is essential to shag freebies in former soviet.

D.S.

The report by Loso the kind of report that deserves the VIP hall!

Cheers and happy hunting fellows,

Felix

P.s Im really tempted to try Ukraine for a month during 2007! But I might have a serious relation going on... Time will show.

[Eros75]

You guys scare the shit out of me as I'm going to Ods soon, I might picked the wrong destination for shagging...maybe I should stick to my favorite destination where you buy one and get one free :) anyway I suppose it's part of the game....if no shaggings in Ods then I will shagg beers and beaches (no bitches) with my dear italian friend.....will report back if I'll get any luck or not....

Cheers

Eros

[Doctor_Skank]

Eros75:

Wouldnt worry too much, Odessa has enough action to keep you very busy... wish you luck in your pursuits! I always enjoyed my stay in Odessa no matter how my scorecard looked at the end of the week. If you like club life, you'll love Odessa and Arkadia. I've been to Odessa 5 or 6 times and only once did I leave feeling like I did poorly in terms of girl action... and am pretty certain that the time I did poorly mostly had to do with me... had my head full of all sorts of business and personal garbage and had "desperate guy with issues" written on my forehead... :) Other places like Kiev or Moscow have better pro options in my opinion, but Odessa has summer fun to offer on the side... beaches, relaxation, girl-watching and nightlife. Pro action in Odessa is also "relatively" cheap, so if you get the occassional miss, its not the end of the world...

Loso:

The pursuit of the elusive 9s is why I keep being a monger... and elusive they are. In about 6 years of mongering I have only banged a handful of chicks that I would give a triple 9 score to... I rate girls on a simple scale:

face/overall appearance
body
performance/sexuality

I personally didnt see any pro 9s in Odessa. Doesnt mean they dont exist, maybe I just wasnt looking in the right places.

[Eros74]

Hi friends, 5 september is Odessa day and I have to be there, anybody knows what exactly is it?

Good place to hunt in the streets regular or it is only good show for old people??

One friend who I am in contact spoke me about it as very great day, but I do not trust her, I trust much more to you! :)

Anybody knows what is this or was there on 5 september?

Thanks men!

[Hotravel]

Hi guys,

Lukasek, actually The day of Odessa city is the 2nd of September ( not 5th:))
It"s saturday this year, this mean extention to Sunday, the 3rd.

Usually there are many people in the center, nice ladies from Odessa and different cities this days. Lots of eye candy and shaking ass chicks...Good hunting:-) If you wanna join a team, pm me :)

Hott

P.S. If you will need a place to stay and good advice, can visit: www.odessa.visit.ws

[Eros74]

Thanks Hotravel!

That's why I don't trust them, she told 5th :)

But what exactly is? Party on the beach,may be? :)

[Go East]

Hi all,

Thanks for the really informative , err education on what to and not to do when trying to feast on these beautiful women. I am heading to Odessa tomorrow for a week and can't wait! I realize there is stiff competition out there ie hotties not wanting to talk or blowing you off because we are not local but screw it, going to try anyway and will report when I am done. I have feasted/mongered all over Europe and I find the best is when you Go East!!

[Hotravel]

Hi Lukasek, Hi guys,

Asked about 2nd September?

"The 2nd of September is Odessa birthday (from 1794 ).

By my info will be lots of public concerts all around center: Deribasovskaya, Primorsky bulevard, near Opera house.

In the evening usually a big concert near Opera or Potyomkin steps. (Will see where they make the stage).

Good time to to go out, to pick up:).

By secret journalists info, in the evening they are planning to throw off millions of rose petals from sport airplanes down to Primorsky bulevard and city center. Fireworks usually around 21-22pm, good to see from bulevard or sea passenger terminal.

And later at night- Arcadia non stop discos:))"

This info taken by mail from: http://*************************Odessatravel

[BayView]

Hi all, I'll be here for about another week. I've not been able to find any working girls near the port. Can anyone give better directions? I was sitting by the Oprea house with a girl and saw several walking that direction. Are they in the square? down by the road? elsewhere? I'm not too worried about it as they are all over the main street and I've not been quoted more than $50. Had one girl my 2nd night. Paid for 1 hour. she left and came back for free an hour later and stayed the next day with me too until I had another meeting. She could not get enough! Photos later. some phone numbers = Dina (has many girls) 80673045806. Monica (same) 80674385397. Susie 80677098365.

If anyone wants to meet for a beer, PM me I guess is the way to go. Not sure how much free time I'll have. Guess you can SMS me at +380676048261

[Irish Lad]

Hi guys.

I've been in Kiev the last few weeks and didn't have any time for any research. Freebies have been the order of the day I'm not afraid to say. However, i got a call from the lovely Alla whom I wrote about here who lives in Odessa. She was in Kiev for a few days so we hooked up for a day of great sex. PM me for her number as I think anyone who clicks on the link I provided gets to enter my page!!!!!!!!!!


PM me for her number if you don't get a response. her rates are $100 for a couple of hours and $200 for overnight. She loves greek.

IL

[Explorer69]

As I soon will be in Odessa, maybe you will give me Ella's phone number. I cannot open her website, I don't understand enough Russian to understand how to become a member:). If you don't want to post it here I can call you or send SMS?

[Eros74]

I thought singles is a part of mail.ru, but it is not truth, surely most girls are the same, but for example the Ella of Irish Lad it doesn't exist in mail.ru where I am registered and where i searched her right now...or may be she is registered with another age.

[Explorer69]

Irish Lad,

Why did you delete the link to Ella's website!

[Monsoon64]

Just returned from 2 weeks in UKraine - Kiev, Odessa & Yalta.

In Odessa met Dina the street walker with many girls. We agreed on a few girls to stay the night - cost $100 dollars each but twice they left in the middle of the night and we got caught out. Only Dina herself stayed with me and i wish she had left. If a girl says she has to nip out for a few minutes she won't return so stay with her.

Visited the 007 strip club - no apparent extras on offer - pretty tame and not great value.

Verdict - beautiful girls but hard to pick up for free and they know how to work you for sure

[Irish Lad]

Hi

I had given the link through my profile on singles.ru I think!!!!
Couldn't have anyone else raiding my database or sending out dummy letters.

http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=79219171

This it for anyone going to Odessa. She's the best I've had in Odessa and I've had most of them! ( joke of course)


I'll send the guys asking for her number tomorrow,,,,,,,,,,,,I can't access my mobile until then.

Do you like the pics????? taken by yours truly!

IL

[Go East]

Ok, so Odessa rocks, the most unbelievabley hot women everywhere. The clubs in Arkadia beach are great and packed with hot women too. Went to Pago lat night and it was a younger crowd but lots of horny girls it seemed. As far as feasting goes, the port area next to seamans club has about 20 girls standing around there. The mama-san (viktoria) negotiates and yells at the girls whoemever you pick. Only 4 of the girls spoke english the other night and only two were available. A few cuties there I would rate about 7 the others 5-6's.

I got susie's number from this forum and called her when I got into town last week. She was awesome and been with her twice. I also did her friend alexandra, a skinny 90lb blonde who is especially passionate. Both these girls know how to take care of a man, it was nice to have that GFE.

Will have to call monica and see what is up!

[Patter75]

I cannot recommend Dina. On Sunday (August 27th) she brought me a girl (20y/o, black hair, around 7) after 1h. We agreed on 1-1.5h for 80$ since it seemed to be a busy evening. The sex was bad (no passion, stopping to blow after 1min, sex only in missionar w/o any movement from her), then she left after 25min (Dina told me to give her even more, then she would stay for the promised time.

The positive, I tried Shascha (Alexandra) from Susi. The experience with her was great. She stayed even longer, very good sex, very GFE.

[Fido Dido]

Polsky street near the Tamozhennia square but after 10 o'clock in the evening.
About 20 girls each night.Correct. It is in the neighboorhood of the pub Seamans Port. I have walked around there twice. Once at 11PM and once at 2AM. I didn't feel quite secure, although nothing did happen. Just a feeling. I wouldn't advice on going there alone.
Quality of the girls was not too good.

[Jerome49]

I wonder why you (mongers travelling to UA) never talk about Moldova which is very close to Odessa. Why is Moldova so little attractive for you?

(I still hesitate between the two country) Is it a question of language? If you speak Russian more than Romanian.