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Street Sleuth
03-03-07, 17:19
CD, had to laugh at the load bearing wall removal quote! I actually know of one instance, in Moscow, where a guy hired a GC to renovate his place - part of the renovation included removing load-bearing walls (unknown by the property owner, who likely didn't even know what a load-bearing wall was).
The floor above indeed did start to collapse (started caving in). The owner went to the GC, who said, "hey, you said you wanted us to remove the wall, so we removed the wall!".
Just a small dose of reality and a warning for Odessa visitors and back to sex, not construction and real estate.
I saw this on another, local Ukrainian, forum. Here is the gist in translation.
From a Ukrainian news report in late 2006, out of 303 sex workers in Odessa who were tested in late 2006, 83 were found to be HIV-infected.
Some sources estimate that about 5,000 women work in the sex business in Odessa and the Odessa region and more come into the business all the time. However, the police estimate only about 1,000 with 90% of those from the regions who come into Odessa.
Officially, there are about 13,000 registered HIV-infected people in Odessa, with 3,000 of them having full blown AIDS, mostly between the ages of 21-30. Infections are primarily due to drug use.
If HIV has now shown up in 25% of all sex workers there, that is cause for concern, especially those who may want to use the services of the girls at the port.
It might be a very good idea for anyone who has met up with an Odessan pro or semi-pro, and especially a port girl, to get an AIDS test.
In Kiev on the same street that Nobel is on you can see a crater in the front of a building that collapse due to load bearing wall removal by the owner of the apartment. It's been in that state for close to a year (Ukrainian legal system). Luckily no one was killed because it happened late at night and the bedrooms are all on the backside of the building.
Didn't someone just recently flambe themselves due to a natural gas explosion in Kiev - gotta love all that exposed piping.
Also, they just recently discovered a cache of WW2 ammo in a Kiev park, which for Kiev is common.
Ah, Kiev, I miss you so. ;)
Anyone who wants to keep up a construction in Ukraine thread feel free to PM me.
Time for an off topic thread for the Ukraine forum?
Mr Relevant Uke, just another reason to skip visiting Odessa.
Two of my favorite things to talk about in Kiev are taxi's and construction. One of which is job related - yes I am a NYC cabbie.
Street Sleuth
03-03-07, 19:49
Just a small dose of reality and a warning for Odessa visitors and back to sex, not construction and real estate.
I saw this on another, local Ukrainian, forum. Here is the gist in translation.
From a Ukrainian news report in late 2006, out of 303 sex workers in Odessa who were tested in late 2006, 83 were found to be HIV-infected.
Some sources estimate that about 5,000 women work in the sex business in Odessa and the Odessa region and more come into the business all the time. However, the police estimate only about 1,000 with 90% of those from the regions who come into Odessa.
Officially, there are about 13,000 registered HIV-infected people in Odessa, with 3,000 of them having full blown AIDS, mostly between the ages of 21-30. Infections are primarily due to drug use.
If HIV has now shown up in 25% of all sex workers there, that is cause for concern, especially those who may want to use the services of the girls at the port.
It might be a very good idea for anyone who has met up with an Odessan pro or semi-pro, and especially a port girl, to get an AIDS test.
HIV is definitely a huge problem in Odessa. That said, I would suspect a majority of the cases are with the drug addicted pros, as you say, the ones by the port. I would advise anyone to avoid those girls - not worth the risk.
The semi-pros are rarely into drugs. I would be very interested to see what the aids rate is in the non-drug using population.
Doctor_Skank
03-03-07, 20:22
Just a small dose of reality and a warning for Odessa visitors and back to sex, not construction and real estate.
It might be a very good idea for anyone who has met up with an Odessan pro or semi-pro, and especially a port girl, to get an AIDS test.
Uke Boy,
It is a very good idea for anyone who has a lot of sex period, pro or otherwise, to get tested for HIV and STDs at least twice a year... I do, and every time I do even though I am confident things will be ok because I do take precautions, I still have that nervous feeling before the results come back.
Let's not be silly boys, play hard but play safe. AIDS is out there, and not just in Odessa. As for girls getting HIV using drugs (specifically needle-injected heroin), she doesn't have to be actually shooting up herself... only her boyfriend does. And we've all seen how some very innocent looking girls can have absolutely loser low-life boyfriends.
Cruiser D:
One of my favorite stories is how a few years back just before Germany was supposed to play Ukraine in a soccer match they discovered a huge WWII-era anti-tank mine buried just below the surface of the Dynamo stadium football pitch.
The Port:
I have done girls from the port in the past... and every time I did I felt uneasy for the next 3 months until my results came back.. thankfully negative. (knock on wood). I do suggest that we ISG guys just avoid the port girls period. They are not pretty anyway and the risk isn't worth it.
Street,
Here's the real problem with pros as well as semi-pros.
I agree, HIV is huge problem in Odessa as a port town and the "richest", relatively speaking, city in the region. As such, it draws many poor girls from the neighboring provinces. These mostly conservatively raised girls now have a huge choice to make when they decide to turn pro or semi-pro.
For no small number, they will need something to dull the effects of sleeping with numerous strangers for money, locals as well as foreigners. It is not an easy life for many, and for a segment of these girls, drugs and alcohol become a way of taking the edge off this type of existence.
However, the real danger is not the ladies themselves but us mongers.
More than a few in this forum have extolled the virtues of going and enjoying the port-based ladies - it's in many previous posts, just scroll through. I would assume many even get BBBJs and some even go bareback. Anything and everything is possible and can and will be agreed to, for a price. That's just reality, no sense in denying this does not occur.
That said, the next night or the next week, that same monger goes and meets up with a semi-pro or even a non-pro. Again, BBBJ and maybe even bareback, maybe the condom breaks, maybe not. What's not to say that the monger is not now carrying the virus from the port girl?
There really is a danger to this hobby for ourselves and for the ladies. We just have to be smart about what we do and who we do it with, not to mention how.
No guarantees in life, of course.
Street Sleuth
03-04-07, 16:34
Agree with everything being said about STD's. Its all true of pros, semi-pros, and non-pros alike.
In a sense, it can be every bit as dangerous with non-pros - they are much lower volume than their pro/semi-pro cousins, but are also much more likely to forgo condom useage with their boyfriend, after the first couple times anyway.
And guys are much more confident going without condom useage with non-pros, for the 'low-volume' reason.
Basically, no one is immune. STD's are by and far the biggest bummer in modern day life. If they didn't exist, how happy would all us mongers be?! And how much more often would we monger?! (I gripe about prices, but the biggest factor limiting how often I go with pros is my fear of STD's).
All we can do, short of celibacy/monogamy (how many people on this board are going to go those routes?), is limit our risks.
For example: Port girls - yep, ugly. And definitely not worth the risk (which is on the high side).
Bez Bezarra
03-04-07, 23:38
The real danger is not the ladies themselves but us.
When you talk about us, you're referring to ISG membership/readers.
We are a VERY small fraction of the regular customers of infected prostitutes worldwide. The transmission and spread of most STD's are a result of the millions of truck drivers and local workers with a little money who get serviced by the cheapest prostitutes using the least amount of protection. For seaports its truck drivers AND sailors, military, merchant marine, etc.
This vector is generally NOT those of us reading here.
Bez, just because you aren't banging the port ho doesn't mean you are safe. Let's look at this example - the names have been changed to protect the guilty.
Mince Monroe loves banging the port ho's down in Odessa and he generally offers them an extra $10 to fuck them without a condom. Mince thinks because god is protecting him there is no way he can get a STD. Then Mince goes to River Palace in Kiev and beds a hot little semi pro that reminds him of his grand mother. The girls who is brand new to the business and Mince with his sexy french accent and another $100 is able to talk her into having sex without a condom. The next night The Connection shows up at RP, he bangs the same girl, once again while not using a condom. The next night he does this cute little innocent girl from a dating agency. After the Connection does her ass he dumps her ass, she is so upset she goes back to Lugansk. Once she gets back to Lugansk she need to get some $ because of all the cash she wasted in Kiev. She decides to turn a semi pro trick or two and is introduced to this American stud by the name of Fez...and on and on and on it goes.
Do you really think you are safe because you aren't banging port girls?
What we are doing is not safe in the conventional term. I like to think of having sex with prostitutes along the same lines of parachuting - sure it's statistically safe but even then sometimes the parachute just doesn't open.
This has been a public service announcement from Cruiser D.
Bez,
I was not referring to just the ISG members, I was talking about mongers as a group.
If I was accusing ISG guys, I would have said so but my statement applies to everyone, ISG members as well as truckers and even locals who use the services of these port ladies.
With respect to ISG members, all of this was just some good advice to be a lot smarter when their third leg starts to do all their thinking for them. And we all sometimes become very very stupid in our thinking when that part of us takes over all life and thought functions.
As Cruiser has pointed out, the HIV-STD problems then spreads city-wide, nationwide and worldwide. That is a fact.
Has anyone any experiences with the following agencies in Odessa?
Can anyone recommend? Do the girls speak any English? What are the prices?
Thx in advance.
http://www.pups.com.ua/index.php?lang=1
http://www.madam.com.ua/web/template.php?page=home
I agree with Uke Boy but I don t limit to port girls but all girls and punters (especially those punters who ask (with or without extras) for sex without condom.
Notice that to have sex with porn actresses is a fantasy of some (many) of us but unfortunately they do not use condoms in nearly all of current X-rated movies.
Of course, as a forumer wrote, a lady may have sex without condom with her boyfriend but the risk is slightly different with the ones who do that with all the clients (in any case, the risk is not zero per cent of course;but I think that the risk is not the same for an American soldier to be killed in USA than in Ikak)
Bez Bezarra
03-06-07, 02:31
Bez, just because you aren't the port ho doesn't mean you are safe.
Do you really think you are safe?
What we are doing is not safe.
This has been pubic vice from CruD.
Who said anything about not being safe?
Any dyevochkas found to be 'questionable', (thats head to toe and everywhere in between), get a pass, and many that look fine still get something else. For instance, how many HIV test kits have YOU provided to and completed for your 'brides for one night' ? ;)
Walking across the fucking street, or breathing in air, ain't so safe either these days, but taking the cautious rather than the reckless road will just give this monger a few more days on earth to spread my supply of splooge around :)
Gent,
The best hint I can give you is to look for the lounges of the hotels with agreements with the major airlines, and latinaoamerican and FSU airlines desreve special look. Nothing better than a crowd of hostesses to play the game. Good times and bad times of course, but on the long term the likelihood to bang in the same night is at least 30%. Additionally I got a lot of phone numbers with some successful follow up:) Typical the hotels are of the Hilton, Inn, Sheraton chain. I figured out many times just while chatting with the hostesses (the old ones, the youngest will never tell you) or the stewards during the flights. Of course you have to look for reasonable targets.
...
All the best
I'm a connoisseur of Flight Attendants too but I have found that some of them, especially from the airlines from the poorer countries, have zany personal conduct standards that discourage them from bonking passengers or men that they meet in their hotels. Many don't give a fuck and do whatever they want, but I've encountered this more than once casually and a former fiancée who worked for Tarom and Malev told me so too. Have you ever heard of this?
Many if not most airlines have "morality clauses" in their personnel contracts. This provides for immediate dismissal if the employee is found to be conducting themselves in any way that might bring disrepute upon their employer. Some even spell out in more detail the activities that bring dismissal. Screwing passengers on their free time (or on the plane) is but one area sure to bring firing if found out. As more than a few Stews like to do part-time work as Escorts to supplement the generally lousy salaries at Airlines - this, if found out, will also be grounds to be fired.
Saying that - like others have found this to be a good pool to fish into when meeting them at hotels around the world - many of the girls are very willing.
But the latest publicised example:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=436846&in_page_id=1879&in_a_source
Many if not most airlines have "morality clauses" in their personnel contracts. This provides for immediate dismissal if the employee is found to be conducting themselves in any way that might bring disrepute upon their employer. Some even spell out in more detail the activities that bring dismissal. Screwing passengers on their free time (or on the plane) is but one area sure to bring firing if found out. As more than a few Stews like to do part-time work as Escorts to supplement the generally lousy salaries at Airlines - this, if found out, will also be grounds to be fired.
Saying that - like others have found this to be a good pool to fish into when meeting them at hotels around the world - many of the girls are very willing.
But the latest publicised example:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=436846&in_page_id=1879&in_a_sourceAgree,
No chance to flirt with an airline stewrdess during flights.
I just mean that fishing in hotels where there are crowds of hostesses is definitely a good hit. Many of them are very willing to have fun.
The tricky parts are 1) to find the hotel! 2) to find and seduce the right target
This is no p4p, but charming game.
Gentleman Travel
03-06-07, 21:04
So do any of you stewardess stalkers know where EE airlines billet their babes in Washington DC? I am tentatively booked into a Sheraton downtown, but would be willing to relocate to better feeding grounds....
Gent,The best hint I can give you is to look for the lounges of the hotels with agreements with the major airlines, and latinaoamerican and FSU airlines desreve special look. Nothing better than a crowd of hostesses to play the game. Good times and bad times of course, but on the long term the likelihood to bang in the same night is at least 30%. Additionally I got a lot of phone numbers with some successful follow up Typical the hotels are of the Hilton, Inn, Sheraton chain.
I'm a connoisseur of Flight Attendants too but I have found that some of them, especially from the airlines from the poorer countries, have zany personal conduct standards that discourage them from bonking passengers or men that they meet in their hotels. Many don't give a fuck and do whatever they want, but I've encountered this more than once casually and a former fiancée who worked for Tarom and Malev told me so too. Have you ever heard of this?
Get is a local term, meaning scram! Out of here!!
If you guys want to discuss stewies in DC, Houston and elsewhere, go to the USA Sex Guide and not the Odessa thread.
By the way Excess, the Mail on Sunday has as much credibilty as Tony Blair or George Bush.
It's best use is for toilet paper in third world nations since news is not what you really get in that garbage.
Odessa is for Odessa or Ukraine related topics.
OK?
Back on topic?
Message sent with the stamp of approval of the Bez Man himself.
If you guys are not careful, I will send the local police after you. Better yet, I will send these after me.
Bez Bezarra
03-07-07, 03:35
Hey I am no Ralph Fienns, more like Ralph Kramden:)
One of these days, Alice.... Bang ZOOM, to the moon!
But that didn't stop one cute Ukraine Air twink-ette on a southbound from sending some extra-friendly smiles in my direction, so when she sat down to take a break, it was no difficulty to talk her up with my seat in the back row also. There's really nothing to see out the window except 400 miles of wheat fields, and I guess I was more exciting than the boring as all fuck view. Plus the other slobs on the flight were some nasty looking Ossetian chornomazzi :D Or then again, it could've been my kit of groovy travel toys that interested her a bit. But more likely, she caught my 'I AM here for MORE than just visiting my girlfriend's family' vibe, the old double 0 69 swagger licensed to monger lusty cocksman virility that is what gives the Bez his mojo.
She did give me her number, but like an idiot I behaved the nice boy at my padruga's mama y papa dom, and couldn't get out on my own until after saying good night in the previously mentioned shithole Yevpatoria, where its not all that safe walkin' round in pitch black streets anyway.
Ok yeah, so I'm a govnyuk for not calling her. But won't another tramp always be about to pop up anyway.....
Pop-up tramp!;)
I´ll probably be back in Odessa in may for one week. Does anyone know when Arkadia clubs open? Does it depend on the weather or is there some fixed date?
Doctor_Skank
04-16-07, 15:32
I´ll probably be back in Odessa in may for one week. Does anyone know when Arkadia clubs open? Does it depend on the weather or is there some fixed date?
Depends on weather really, but usually opens about 15.05. If it is quite warm in the evenings already, it may open earlier.
Infinity99
04-20-07, 03:28
Usually they'll open first week of May, if it is warm enough. Then they'll have about 2-3 weeks worth of 'opening night' parties. Those are usually pretty good. The true opening night party is mid may, like Dr. said. You can check individual club schedules here:
http://www.itaka.odessa.ua/
http://www.ibizaclub.odessa.ua/
http://www.stereo.od.ua/
Really quiet on this thread for some reason? We are heading up to Odessa with 3 friends later this month. Should be a fine trip as we are staying sea side this time not in the center, so something different. My friend has also rented a season of dance floor side table at Ibiza club so that should be a pussy magnet on itself. I am taking my video camera with me, just got a new digital one so will have some very nice footage and stills too.
Ahh those Odessa girls. Mothers hide their daughters.
MagicTouch
06-08-07, 12:27
Just back from Odessa, an insider's suggestion ... my Odessan friends told me about a pub in the city center, named Captain Morgan on the Rishelievskaya street, where a combination of working and non working girls seem to gather at night looking for encounters.
I tried myself that place once but it was too early I guess (10:30 - 11:00 pm), so there is not much I can confirm or disconfirm in this respect ... but my friend is a local winner and deserves consideration
Moreover, I was able to see with my eyes the tochka located on the Tamozhennaya (Customs) square in operations. But the level of the girls was nothing to write home about so I did not seize any flowers from that range
Doctor_Skank
06-08-07, 14:10
Just back from Odessa, an insider's suggestion ... my Odessan friends told me about a pub in the city center, named Captain Morgan on the Rishelievskaya street, where a combination of working and non working girls seem to gather at night looking for encounters.
I tried myself that place once but it was too early I guess (10:30 - 11:00 pm), so there is not much I can confirm or disconfirm in this respect ... but my friend is a local winner and deserves consideration
Moreover, I was able to see with my eyes the tochka located on the Tamozhennaya (Customs) square in operations. But the level of the girls was nothing to write home about so I did not seize any flowers from that range
Been there a couple of times last year and wasn't impressed personally, quite a small place and most of the girls there seemed to be regulars there and weren't really interested in meeting anybody. Maybe was just my luck.
What else is going on in Odessa? I'll be there in about 3 weeks for a brief tour and any info helps... thanks!
Doctor_Skank
06-08-07, 14:15
My friend has also rented a season of dance floor side table at Ibiza club so that should be a pussy magnet on itself.
Nice! ... maybe you'll let me stand next to your elitny table and leech off your vibe? :)
I am also available to pick up the discards that skid off the table.
Street Sleuth
06-11-07, 23:59
Captain Morgan is definitely hit or miss. Its a cool bar, but its small, and doesn't consistently pack up with girls. Unfortunately, as one of the cooler bars in Odessa, the girl guy ratio is usually pretty bad. I also don't think it is frequented by pros/semi-pros, though perhaps during the busier summer months.
It can be an OK place to stand at the bar, and try to chat up a girl who may be there with some friends, or position yourself at a table near some girls, but, again, one would need to frequent the place often to have any success.
Odessa, like much of eastern europe, lacks a good bar scene - American style, where the music isn't blaring and people stand around and chat. Its either nightclubs - packed with hotties, but blaring music - or its bars, with most everyone seated at tables, making it difficult to approach. This is actually my biggest gripe with Eastern Europe!
Doctor_Skank
06-12-07, 07:07
Captain Morgan is definitely hit or miss. Its a cool bar, but its small, and doesn't consistently pack up with girls. Unfortunately, as one of the cooler bars in Odessa, the girl guy ratio is usually pretty bad. I also don't think it is frequented by pros/semi-pros, though perhaps during the busier summer months.
It can be an OK place to stand at the bar, and try to chat up a girl who may be there with some friends, or position yourself at a table near some girls, but, again, one would need to frequent the place often to have any success.
Odessa, like much of eastern europe, lacks a good bar scene - American style, where the music isn't blaring and people stand around and chat. Its either nightclubs - packed with hotties, but blaring music - or its bars, with most everyone seated at tables, making it difficult to approach. This is actually my biggest gripe with Eastern Europe!
Exactly.... and the second gripe is the lack of clubs that play anything but house.
Odessa lacks a good bar scene.
That's one of the reasons why I like Chisinau so much. There's some pretty darn good bars, very happening even on weekdays.
Places like Nostalgi, Militari, Deja Vu, ect, have for me the perfect ingredients for a good night out : simple and typical EE bar decor, very reasonable prices, great party atmosphere, good DJs playing russian/romanian pop remixes and no house shit, efficient and friendly bartenders, occasionnal strip shows or amateur strip contests with sluts taken in the audience and willing to bare it all for a few shots of Tequila, and loads of drunken slavic stunners dirty dancing everywhere, on the couches, the bar, ect.
I remember a night out last December in Nostalgi when, as I was sitting at the bar half shit-faced, sipping my Coronas and enjoying the atmosphere, a tall and young dyevuska (a true 8, non-pro) suddenly came, longely DFKed me, and then, without a single word, went back to her table where 4 or 5 girls were laughing, drinking and dancing. She told me later it was a bet with her friends. God I love bars in EE.
Bucarest has also its share of very good and happening bars.
Dr S - no wonder why you like Kaif so much. You can get away from the main disco hall and actually have a conversation at the bar near the door.
Andronicus76
06-23-07, 12:50
Hi guys,
I will be in Odessa for one week in January. As I don't speak russian, only english french and german, it could be a problem to monger. Are there any information about escort agencies or freebies who speak at least a little bit english?
So any help is apreciated, of course I will share my experiences.
So long
I'm heading to Odessa and want to hit another city in EE that I've not visited before. I may do 2 or 3 nights in some other city like Prague, Bucharest, Budapest, Riga, etc. It won't hit my airefare too badly. Any opinions on a second city?
With only 2-3 days, Prague without doubt!
Hey Guys,
I just joined the site and found it pretty interesting reading through some of the old posts and seeing how they compare with my experiences. I am currently living in Odessa (just under a year now). I am wondering if any of you actually live here for one thing and for those who are visiting soon if you would like to hang out and have a drink together when you are visiting.
RulerK
Hey Guys,
I just joined the site and found it pretty interesting reading through some of the old posts and seeing how they compare with my experiences. I am currently living in Odessa (just under a year now). I am wondering if any of you actually live here for one thing and for those who are visiting soon if you would like to hang out and have a drink together when you are visiting.
RulerK
I'll be there in a month or two. I'll let you know when I know.
Doctor_Skank
06-28-07, 12:37
Hey Guys,
I just joined the site and found it pretty interesting reading through some of the old posts and seeing how they compare with my experiences. I am currently living in Odessa (just under a year now). I am wondering if any of you actually live here for one thing and for those who are visiting soon if you would like to hang out and have a drink together when you are visiting.
RulerK
Am there July 5-8 would be happy to hook up. Can you PM me your mobile number?
Member #3400
06-29-07, 20:17
Its about a dating site.
They say its free. does it?
http://www.city-of-brides.com/
Its about a dating site.
They say its free. does it?
http://www.city-of-brides.com/It is free, but but only to allow the girls to contact you.
Its about a dating site.
They say its free. does it?
http://www.city-of-brides.com/OK, I joined and I can say its a waste of time. Its free, and the girls want to chat, but you have no way to communicate. You can send an introduction message (pre-written by them) similar to a "wink" on other sites to girls for free, but when they write back to you, you can't read their messages or write to them without paying money.
Some girls there are cute though.
-Kevin
Member #3400
07-05-07, 19:33
I will be in Odessa at july 12 and start picking up girls on the streets, beach, cafes etc.
I will know then for sure about that myth called Ukraine.
I am taking my laptop and i will let u know exactly whats going on for a non-pro
scene.
I am an expert for daytime hunting but until i will be there i can not estimate my success with the local girls.
Lets wait a few days........
Max
I will be in Odessa at july 12 and start picking up girls on the streets, beach, cafes etc.
I will know then for sure about that myth called Ukraine.
I am taking my laptop and i will let u know exactly whats going on for a non-pro
scene.
I am an expert for daytime hunting but until i will be there i can not estimate my success with the local girls.
Lets wait a few days........
Max
I know you will find something! ;)
But please two things... a) Send us pics!!! b) Stop writing as on SMS on telephone (ISG Rules!) !
IT
I will be in Odessa at july 12 and start picking up girls on the streets, beach, cafes etc.
I will know then for sure about that myth called Ukraine.
I am taking my laptop and i will let u know exactly whats going on for a non-pro
scene.
I am an expert for daytime hunting but until i will be there i can not estimate my success with the local girls.
Lets wait a few days.
MaxHi Max,
I have been living here in Odessa for a year now. Now and next month are the best times to visit. I can tell you that it is certainly possible to pickup girls here but it definitely takes time, energy and work. Having money helps, but doesn't guarantee anything. Russian tourists are much easier than Odessa girls (because they're tourists). Speaking any Russian helps you immensely. I've had a lot of friends come and try and most don't have the tenacity to pull much here. If you can pickup in other foreign places where English isn't spoken much, then you can do it here too.
-RulerK
Bez Bezarra
07-06-07, 02:47
In Odessa picking girls on the street.
I know I am an expert hunter with girls.
Max
You won't lack opportunities if you go where girls are concentrated. They all take the buses because the taxis are too expensive and there IS no undergrond.
Where Deribovskaya street ends at the park, between 11 a.m. and 5 in the afternoon, an endless procession of hundreds even thousands of russian pretties parade through and across the garden getting along on their way. The buses at the far end keep bringing more and more, at the same time, just as many are coming across from the other side walking TO the buses.
If you don't have success here, you should consider homosexuality.
Member #3400
07-06-07, 07:23
If you like to see my previews success u ar invited to kenya forum. Its full of my photos. yes, Its totally different place for sure but the techniques are the same.
Anyway, i am going to visit odessa area for 3 mounts. including less tourist places such as kerson and mykolaiv.
Easy or not, i will post some photos of stunning Sharon stone type girls soon.
Bez: thanks i can see the city garden on the map surrounding by kumanyets and steakhouse. i will check it ASAP. should i bring a jackets for september nights?
Member #3400
07-06-07, 18:00
I have said i will be there from 12 july for 3 months.
so this period of times includes september. you dont need a PHD in mathematics
to understand that.
Nights can still be cold.
sorry for you.
I have said i will be there from 12 july for 3 months.
so this period of times includes september. you dont need a PHD in mathematics
to understand that.
Nights can still be cold.
sorry for you.
A light jacket would be good. I've been the the first week of September and also in October. It gets cool but not too cold.
Just saw a post about the site army of brides site. It's free to join but costs to contact the girls. But it's a very well known site for scammers. So if you want to waste your money chasing erotic dreams, go ahead. Many of the girls are listed on anti scam sites so I suggest you save your money!
It is free, but but only to allow the girls to contact you.
It is free, but but only to allow the girls to contact you.Just realised I said army of brides site instead on city of brides. I know this site also and at least 20% are scammers but not as many as on army of brides. But I agree that it's also a waste of money as the chances of a real life meeting are as high as the chances of meeting your favourite porn star in your room tonight.
For me, I just arrived in Odessa again where I feel I have a better chance of real action. Fingers crossed and any suggestions are welcome. Hope to get some good pics also ;)
It's my first report here on ISG.
Going to ODS on friday, and staying to tuesday. Going to meet 2 girls (mail bride). Have been reading this threads with great interest. And picked up some phone numbers.
Anyone with last detail for me?
Going to stay at hotel.
Paal, do not expect too much from mail order brides in Odessa.
Explorer69
07-11-07, 13:29
Last week I was in Odessa and I will try to summarize a few experiences / impressions. For some days I had a girlfriend from Kiev staying with me so the playing time was limited.
To sit in the street walk restaurants (like Irish Pub) in the late afternoon or evening is a pleasure with all the eye candy passing by.
Twice there were working girls around the Irish Pub, once I was at the ATM inside the Irish Pub (4 pm) and this girl coming out from the toilet started to chat me up. Unfortunately I had to run for a business meeting, and my girlfriend was waiting for me. Later that same evening (7 pm) a really hot girl walking by sent me flirting eyes and smiles. Again I was waiting for my girlfriend…Surprisingly this was relatively early and both girls were hot. Late in the evening I saw a WG with rather high milage sitting in the bar there. I have seen her before and she is not interesting for me, and I never asked for price.
The first evening in Odessa I called Dina mamasan rather early and asked for a nice, young, English speaking girl. This is a hit and miss, but I had some good experiences with her girls, some bad. She provided me with a sweet girl, actually 21, but she looked almost too young , she was small and very slim, but with a very nice body – and speaking English!! Let’s call her Lola:). This was the best experience with Dina’s girls. We clicked and had a great session with BBBJ and CIM. USD 150 for 2 hours – prices have increased! But then later I met the girl outside of Dina and it was cheaper, like 200 for all night. She does not want her phone number distributed and she only works now and then months apart, it was just my good luck, we met and since we had a good time she wanted to come back. In fact she came back later one evening for free.
I met an old friend from before, Anna. She is 27 (I think), looks a little like a miniature Marilyn Monroe. She is only 152 cm, has for her size big breasts and a rather broad ass (she has put on some weight since I saw her a year ago), but is a very good-looking girl and was nicely – and sexy dressed. She is a nice and fun girl, talks easily in Ok English and laughs a lot. She has been working with erotic massage earlier and gives great massage. She offers urologic massage as well, but it is not my thing… But she gives only covered BJ. She enjoyes DATY and is multiorgasmic. For all night 200. She is a bit professional, but well worth a meeting, you can send me PM for her phone number. Recommended!
The last night I was there I had in the afternoon evening had a long session with Lola, but later in the evening she had to go home to mother:)). I had a late dinner and decided to go to the strip club Manhattan. I was not really interested in more sex, I had intense fucking for a week, but why not look at some girls taking their clothes off? I have been there before, usually it is not very interesting and most girls don’t want to go out. Be aware, you have to accept some lapdances after they perform on stage, and it costs 20 hrivnas. If you refuse too many times, then girls will not contact you! Once as reported here last autumn I had great luck in this club. However, to make a long story short: most girls were non-interesting, but there was one who was a 9! After some talking with her we decided to go to my apartment. I was so eager and she was so hot that I went crazy: it costs 500 dollars, 250 to the club, 250 to her. This is much more than I normally do, but I had to have her!! Back in my apartment we chatted for some time. She had a great, sweet personality. She told me that she never went with customers, she made all her money from lapdancing and she had not had sex in 3 months when she broke with her boyfriend. I did not believe her at first, but now I think this was correct. She was surprisingly unexperienced, but when she was warmed up, she went ballistic!! Sex starvation for 3 months came out, and we had some fantastic long and passionate sessions. She came to my apartment at 1 am, and she stayed until midday the next day when I had to pack and go.. I will soon be back!
Contrary to what some others experience, I always have a good time in Odessa – and with a lot of sex But the P4P offers are limited, and I usually feel it is a hit and miss – sometimes I am just lucky! A place like River Palace is missing. On the other side, as mentioned several times by California Traveller on this site: once you get behind the scene, there is a lot!
By the way, I was one afternoon talking with a girl who had worked as a translator/interpreter in the marriage agency industry. It was amazing what she told me!! Without going into details: that is an industry based on 90% fraud and they do know how to rip your money! be aware, usually the girls that you correspond with have no intention to marry! But they are happy to have free dinners and presents!
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Karma Police
07-11-07, 15:41
Anyone in Odessa for the next couple weeks? I am American, but fluent in Russian. 30yo. Want to hit up regular clubs as well as pro-scene.
Anyone in Odessa for the next couple weeks? I am American, but fluent in Russian. 30yo. Want to hit up regular clubs as well as pro-scene.Hey dude,
I live here in Odessa. Let's meet up for a drink. I love to party. I tried to PM you but you don't have rights to accept PMs. Upgrade your account so we can get in touch.
RulerK
Amerincan from LA
I will be posted to Odessa Ukaraine very soon. Appreciate if someone could share following info:
1. Average mongering cost
2. Exchange rate against USD
3. Security and safety aspect of the city.
Umm Kenny, you might actually try reading the forum...
The exchange rate is usually around 5-5.5 to 1 USD
Umm Kenny, you might actually try reading the forum...
The exchange rate is usually around 5-5.5 to 1 USDThanks bro Cruiser, how's the cost of living in Odessa in general?
Member #3400
07-19-07, 10:22
Odessa is a big city full of cafes, restaurants and parks. During the summer a has lot of tourist especially from Russia or other cities of Ukraine.
The best thing for accommodation if you are on budget is to rent a room within an apartment in the center. At the train station lots of older ladies hang around offering rooms and apartments. Apartments will starts from 40US$ and for the room with private kitchen and toilette I am paying 20US$ a day. Its took me 4 hours to hang at the train station to find it because they didn't understand that I am looking for a room not an entire flat. Language was a major problem but eventually I had found what I wanted.
Cost of living is very high in Odessa especially food and accommodation. I have visit Kerson for a few days and I stayed at fregat hotel at 20US$ a day. Food price was less then half in Kerson then Odessa.
Internet cafes with computer are rare. But some cafes has WI- FI connectivity. (Wireless). So bring your laptop.
One more thing if you are on a budget bring a CAN opener I can't found it here in shops. I am starting to buy food from the supermarket can't afford those restaurants 3 time a day.
Huge number of girls has an incredible figure and look can be found here. It's very easy to collect phone number but much more difficult to translate it to a sex. If you have a week to spend don’t come unless you speak the Language and you have an irresistible charm. Otherwise you need much more time and luck.
Some of the girls just want to chat and sex is not an obvious thing. To close the deal and bring them to bed you need to have patience and time. You get the feeling that you are almost there but somehow its slips from your fingers. Let me give a few examples.
• One girl that I met needed to go back to her town in just a few hours. She was very suspicious and didn't want to delay her trip and stay the night over.
• Other girl probably 32 years old from Belarus, (worked in Odessa), wasn't interested I any physical contact. Although she was very open to take a walk at the park with me.
• Mother with her daughter I met in MacDonald seems very eager but didn't want to look like a ***** in front of her daughter and they stay just a two days more so I couldn't finish the deal.
Bottom line is that the distance from the moment you collect a phone number until you translate it into sex can be large and depend on a random factors. Its true that many want to get married with foreigners but if you are targeting the "Nicole Kidman " type educated and not so poor its not necessarily the case.
regarding getting the apartment in Odessa, how safe is it to get one from the train station (I speak the language), and how much can I expect to pay for a high-quality 1 bedroom apartment in downtown or Arcadia area?
thanks in advance.
EMF - How far do you expect to get staying at a $20 room in someone's apartment? You should either have your sights set on the 40+ crowd or some younger girls from a village in the Ukraine even Ukrainians have never heard about.
Bring a can opener - Hey, you can live on government funded bread for 5grv a day and water is free. I'd boil it first - the water not the bread. Is this Bez playing a joke?
has anyone stayed here, are they reliable http://www.odessaapts.com ?
any recommendations on a particular property, or another site are appreciated (studio or a one-bedroom)
Is it better to stay in downtown (I mean by the theater) or in Arcadia?
thanks.
Doctor_Skank
07-23-07, 10:12
has anyone stayed here, are they reliable http://www.odessaapts.com ?
any recommendations on a particular property, or another site are appreciated (studio or a one-bedroom)
Is it better to stay in downtown (I mean by the theater) or in Arcadia?
thanks.
I've stayed with them and was very happy with their service and prices.
In my opinion it's better to stay downtown.
has anyone stayed here, are they reliable http://www.odessaapts.com ?
any recommendations on a particular property, or another site are appreciated (studio or a one-bedroom)
Is it better to stay in downtown (I mean by the theater) or in Arcadia?
thanks.Hi,
I always use Mathew from www.odessarentaflat.com
Professional and knowledgeable.
Best to stay in centre and commute to Arkadia.
Temistocle
07-23-07, 22:39
Greetings to everyone , its my first post but i have been reading this site for a while. Im going to write this post because i cant read enough information about Odessa and im going to visit it in september. What i understand from the few post its that Odessa is a place to avoid not to visit (hard to hang on girls, HIV virus and so on.) Can someone give me the real situation in odessa? Is it better if i move to yalta? if yes i was thinking to do it by a ferry any advice about it?.
A model from Odessa told me that the best place there are the Ibiza club and the Evro(in ekaterinenskaya).
I look forward for an your answer wishing you can help me as we done with my travel in kiev , thank you very much
Temistocle
07-24-07, 01:51
Greetings to everyone.
Its the first time i leave a message but i read the frum from a while. Im going in Odessa in september and i need some good advice on the real situation in Odessa, clubs, pro,semi-pro and non pro. I known a model from Odessa by internet she talked me about Ibiza and evro(eakaterinenskaya). What i find out from the postes in this forum push me to change my destination to Yalta (i was thinking to take a boat from Odessa to Yalta. Any advice?). As you helped me much for my travel in Kiev im sure you will help me for Odessa, thanks much.
Thanks DrSkank and IrishLad.
Has anyone tried renting on arrival from a local agency or people from the train station that do not cater to foreigners?
Rodney Munch
07-25-07, 08:16
has anyone stayed here, are they reliable http://www.odessaapts.com ?
any recommendations on a particular property, or another site are appreciated (studio or a one-bedroom)
Is it better to stay in downtown (I mean by the theater) or in Arcadia?
thanks.I actually just returned from Ods after a 9 night stay and myself and 3 buds used this agency odessaapts.com. Everything was exactly as promised, picked up at the airport, even though our plane was 4 hours delayed out of Vienna. Apartment excactly as promised. Some small things were missing but a girl from the agency brought them the next day. 2 of us stayed at a 2 bedroom apartment on Deribasovskaya and the other friend stayed a block away on Ekaterininskaya.
Arkadia or downtown is a good question. We contemplated staying in Arkadia but during the day there is just not so much to do there. I really love sitting out and having a long dinner before hitting the clubs and in Arkadia there is not so many good dining options so I don't know. The only appeal about arkadia for me is that you can take the girls straight home without dealing with the annoying cab drivers (by the way do not for any reason pay more than 40 gryvinias when going back). Some german tourist told us that on his first day he paid 200 hryvnias for going back downtown! If they refuse your price, just keep walking outward until someone agrees. I'm going to post a full report hopefully this week.
Street Sleuth
07-25-07, 10:06
To previous questions about daily apartments in Odessa:
$50 - $100 for fully furnished, decent, central apartment.
To Cruiser D:
CD, why do you insist upon ridiculing everyone every chance you get? Do you go to third world countries and wave food in front of starving children? Someone only able to pay $20/day for a room is not so unusual - given the guys English, its pretty clear he's not American/British - may very well be from Romania or some such place.
And you know as well as anyone that Odessa is ridiculously overpriced, for what you get. $20 day for a room is by no means cheap, considering one can rent a room, on a monthly basis, in a nice, upper class neighborhood, of just about any major US city, for about the same price ($600/month).
In a US city that equates to Odessa in terms of economics (but not in terms of female talent....), one can rent a 4 bedroom house with swimming pool for $600/month.
I won't dwell on it any further, but Ukraine real-estate is retarded, at best. The only thing more retarded is, perhaps, ridiculing people who can't afford "the very best" - or, in other terms, an overpriced, overhyped 'evroremont' apartment in a second-rate, dirt poor city.
I need one in August and the best units on these websites are unavailable. Is it easy to find a rental locally from an agency, newspaper ad or a person by the rail station? - thanks again.
Doctor_Skank
07-25-07, 11:11
I need one in August and the best units on these websites are unavailable. Is it easy to find a rental locally from an agency, newspaper ad or a person by the rail station? - thanks again.
If you speak Russian well, yes it's fairly easy. If you don't, you could have problems.
Most agencies that cater to English-speakers are found in the internet. If you do a google or yahoo search on "Odessa apartments short-term rental" you should get a number of results.
Some marriage agenices also can arrange apartments... some of these even advertise directly on Deribasovskaya Street, which is the main pedestrian street in the city. Marriage agenices will charge slightly more than the normal agencies, because in most cases they don't have their own apartments but are actually using the agencies as well and need to collect their commission.
Everybody in Odessa will be trying to separate you from your money. They know the only reason anybody ever goes there is for pussy. It's the only commodity they have. That said, Odessa isn't expensive. It's about the same as Kiev in terms of entertainment and slightly less in terms of transportation and lodging (apartments).
I need one in August and the best units on these websites are unavailable. Is it easy to find a rental locally from an agency, newspaper ad or a person by the rail station? - thanks again.Hello Sean EZ,
I have good experience 3 years with just reliable and friendly guy at
BestOdessa.com
I am not sure what you need and what price, but he just provide us a clean 2bedrooms apartment for very affordable rent price near Deribasovska- main street.
Call or send e-mail listed on site.
Ciao!
Street Sleuth
07-25-07, 14:49
I need one in August and the best units on these websites are unavailable. Is it easy to find a rental locally from an agency, newspaper ad or a person by the rail station? - thanks again.
At the rail station (near the actual tracks) there is a main short-term rental agency - I've never used it myself, but suspect they would have a wide variety of options available.
The babyshkas out front of the station - again, I've never gone that root - but I suspect 1) You'd need to speak Russian, and 2) They cater to Russians looking for cheap accomodations - Odessa, as a whole, is a very big town - they could be offering apartments/rooms that are way off from the center (as in, half hour drives).
I would take down the numbers of all the english speaking agencies from the web - even if they say everything is booked, chances are, when you arrive, something will be available.
Ok thanks again everyone.
Explorer69
07-28-07, 05:35
has anyone stayed here, are they reliable http://www.odessaapts.com ?
any recommendations on a particular property, or another site are appreciated (studio or a one-bedroom)
Is it better to stay in downtown (I mean by the theater) or in Arcadia?
thanks.At the time being, now that Anton and California Traveller is not active any mor, odessapts.com is probably the best choice.
Rodney Munch
07-28-07, 07:15
A few words of caution about apartment rentals. Whatever you do, DO NOT show up in Odessa in July or August without making booking arrangements. The only option will be either crap hole apartments that no one wants or some third rate hotels, which is about 90% of hotels in the city with the 10% being $200 +.
Use the bigger companies on the web. DO NOT use babushkas unless you are a budget travelers and do not care about the quality of your accommodation. Babushkas will tell you they have a perfect flat, next to sea, next to center, but you will quickly learn that next to may mean 20 minutes away by marshrutka, they apparently can consider that being "next to". The other issue is the safety. The babushkas will sometimes rent the same 'apartment' to numeroous tenants and also it is possible someone may enter the flat while you are away and take your shet. Unless you are a backpacker, do not do this.
With my friends, we used the company I menionted before a few times and never had a problem. I know if I searched the web in and out I could probably find something cheaper, but I am fine paying a little premium to make sure there is no problems.
Marriage agencies do have apartments, but usually they will have much higher prices then companies that only deal with apartments.
The apartments in odessa are very expensive in the summer because of the tourist season but actually offseason or on long term basis they are not so bad. My friend living there for the past 2 years pays $600 per month for a very nice 2 room central apartment. (I do not know where in US one can have a 4 bedroom house for this price? And what in US is consiered equivalent to Odessa? )
Kiev on the other hand is much more expensive in terms of everything. I have been visiting Kiev for the past 5 years or so and it has really skyrocketed. Actually on the list of most expensive cities it is now in the top 20, and it was like #85 just a few years ago. No apartment in the very center, with decent renovations can be had for less than $1000 per month. Odessa is not expensive in comparison and is much much poorer than kiev, if you look beneath the surface, you can have a very nice lifestyle there for about $1500 a month. A night at the best restaraunt which right now is Victory Gardens, right near Arkadia for 3 of us (including about 600 grams of premium vodka) came out to $100. Odessa is only glamorous in the center, but if you shift slightly outward you see how poor it really is. Even some of those very flashy girls you see at nightclubs, many live in absolutely horrendous conditions (I know as I have visited a few at their own homes). Based on how they dress and act, you would have though they live in an English castle.
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The apartments in odessa are very expensive in the summer because of the tourist season but actually offseason or on long term basis they are not so bad. My friend living there for the past 2 years pays $600 per month for a very nice 2 room central apartment. (I do not know where in US one can have a 4 bedroom house for this price? And what in US is consiered equivalent to Odessa? )
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Tampa, Daytona Beach, Atlantic City? $600/month is doable in those cities for a furnished short term rental. Why are you comparing a 4 bedroom house in the US to a two room flat in the Ukraine?
Nice report Rod.
I went with odessapts.com, so far they seem very professional. Thanks again everyone.
I went with odessapts.com, so far they seem very professional. Thanks again everyone.I extend our stay with owners price at BestOdessa.com and its much cheaper than all other same flats. Always can trade price and have high quality.
Nice 2 bedrooms "eurorepair" flat around- 42 EURO depends on duration we have on main street is free from 6-10 Aug. If someome wants, call bestodessa.com. What club is better for pick-up? Tnx.
Explorer69
08-04-07, 08:35
I have been a lot in odessa, I can give Odessa Apartments my best recommendations: reliable, good apartments, good service etc. The others are a hit and miss. Earlier iIwas very happy with Odessa Executive Suites, but their standard has gone seriously down after CT and Anton quit, now they don't provide the same good service, in particular not for mongers:))
Rodney Munch
08-04-07, 15:33
To previous questions about daily apartments in Odessa:
In a US city that equates to Odessa in terms of economics (but not in terms of female talent....), one can rent a 4 bedroom house with swimming pool for $600/month.Dr. I was talking about this comment. If SS can find me a 4 bedroom house with a swimming pool in one of those cities for $600 per month, im moving there in a jiffy.
I have just returned from a week in Odessa and can recommend Odessa Apartments.
We stayed on Grecheskaya and its an excellent location there.
Odessa is quite an adventure overall from the claptout airport to the collapsed buildings and excellent architecture. Its a mix for sure and holds a certain charm. If you looking for a smooth running hassle free trip then maybe its not for you but I enjoyed the experience immensly.
The girls are truly wonderful and every word written about them is true. They are stunning and glamorous and not a moment goes by without your head turning. Fantastic.
I couldnt comment on your chances with them given I have no russian which is a problem in Odessa. From my experience the locals have very little English.
The only girls I saw working where camped outside Mick Oneills bar on the main street but where not to my taste.
If you like the clubs then Arcadia is the tourist area and the clubs are busy all week and open late. In the centre of town I found the big nightspots where closed during weekdays. A cab from town to Arcadia at night is anywhere from 100H to 150H (£10-£15) depending how crook the driver is. Seems the cabs are all private owned so they kinda charge what they like. Same journey in the day is 50H (£5).
The food and beer is cheap so you wont have to break the bank of spends. Large beer is on average 100H (£1) and a pizza 200H - 300H (£2-£3). Clubs ofcourse a bit more especially Ibiza where its hiked 3x. Went to Great Western Club at Arcadia where its much cheaper but a young crowd there.
Weather was great and beaches decent with plenty of facilities. Service in general is slower than western standards but at the prices its worth the wait!
I wont rattle on too much but if anyone wants info about Odessa just give me a shout and I will try and help you.
Should add that I didnt try the hooker scene so cannot help you on that one unfortunately. Needless to say if I had the info or oppertunity to try one of the stunners there I would have jumped at the chance! Maybe on a return trip :)
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I have been a lot in odessa, I can give Odessa Apartments my best recommendations: reliable, good apartments, good service etc. The others are a hit and miss. Earlier iIwas very happy with Odessa Executive Suites, but their standard has gone seriously down after CT and Anton quit, now they don't provide the same good service, in particular not for mongers:))OES was great for us. They let us check out when we wanted and tried to help us as much as they could and we where kind of a pain. I will use them next summer. Their locations are great too.
. A cab from town to Arcadia at night is anywhere from 100H to 150H (£10-£15) depending how crook the driver is. Seems the cabs are all private owned so they kinda charge what they like. Same journey in the day is 50H (£5).Taxi from town should be 20 hrivnas and back should be 30 hrivnas.....on leaving Arkadia walk up the line of taxis until 1 accepts your price.
Rod, you seem a bit confused.
First off you seem to be comparing apples to oranges. You talk about renting a two room flat in Odessa and then for some reason comparing it to a four bedroom house (now with a pool (?)) in the US. It seems to be on the same lines as comparing staying in a youth hostel with the local 4 star hotel - I don't get it.
$600/month for a 1 bedroom or studio apartment is very doable in the cities I've mentioned. If you want I can send you a link.
Dr. I was talking about this comment. If SS can find me a 4 bedroom house with a swimming pool in one of those cities for $600 per month, im moving there in a jiffy.
Quietmind, if you weren't in Odessa poon hunting what were you doing? Vacationing?!?
Cruiser,
I was there on vacation and if the oppertunity to spend time with a decent girl arose then all the better.
Its not my way to spend the whole holiday hunting for girls but I keep an eye out for possibilities. As it turned out nothing happended but I enjoyed the trip all the same.
On another note I agree that Odessa Apts are not cheap and you can rent exellent accomodation in big western cities at least as cheap and those in Odessa if not less.
I guess you claw back some money given the cheap cost of living in Odessa which is peanuts by comparison to UK.
Hello,
I was in Kiev last year and I really enjoyed a good time. in a short time I will be travelling to Odessa: I generally go to hotels that permit special offers, it is cheaper and safer than private flats.
My questions are:
Where to find streetwalkers (please current up-to-date data)? Are they worth anything (age, condition, prices, would they come to your flat?).
Does there exist a real P2P scene? Where? how to contact?
Can someone recomend a decent mamamsam?
Hello,
I'll travel next week to Odessa.
I know Kiev well, where I have spent good moments, and I would like to learn some information about Odessa, as I do not expect freebies to come easy -a top ten girl is a difficult catch everywhere!:
Streetwalkers. Where are them (current data) and what age do they have: Ongoing rate? usually in other FSU countries they are not so bad as they are described here in past reports.
P2P: Where can they be found and price.
Saunas-mamasams: Are there any reliable? Where is the red district? Some adresses?
Are there pros at discos or just teenagers having fun with people their age? Well I am not really old and i can have a try also although my russian is limited.
Cab drivers? Can they be trusted? In Kiev they were my main source and where reliable.
Thanks in advance
Rodney Munch
08-06-07, 05:53
If you like the clubs then Arcadia is the tourist area and the clubs are busy all week and open late. In the centre of town I found the big nightspots where closed during weekdays. A cab from town to Arcadia at night is anywhere from 100H to 150H (£10-£15) depending how crook the driver is. Seems the cabs are all private owned so they kinda charge what they like. Same journey in the day is 50H (£5).Guys,
Please do not pay these prices when returning from Arkadia. I understand it is a strange country but do a bit of research first on what is a normal return price. The way to do it on a return from Arkadia is the following way. Walk out, and continue a hundred feet or so forward, so as to avoid the first tier of drivers who pray on drunken foreigners. The standard ride into the center of the city right now for a native speaker is 30 hryvnia, which is roughly $6. For someone who does not speak any Russian, you should not be paying more than $8, or max of $10. If you walk past the first tier of drivers, simply say the address where you are going and say 50 gryvnias. The automatic response from the drivers will be 100, or whatever, then just continue walking. As soon as they see that you are walking, they will agree to 50 instantly.
When we were there this summer, a guy from San Diego we met said he was charged 200 hrivnias on his first return trip from Arkadia. DO NOT, pay more than a max of $10.
Hello,
I'll travel next week to Odessa.
I know Kiev well, where I have spent good moments, and I would like to learn some information about Odessa, as I do not expect freebies to come easy -a top ten girl is a difficult catch everywhere!:
Streetwalkers. Where are them (current data) and what age do they have: Ongoing rate? usually in other FSU countries they are not so bad as they are described here in past reports.
P2P: Where can they be found and price.
Saunas-mamasams: Are there any reliable? Where is the red district? Some adresses?
Are there pros at discos or just teenagers having fun with people their age? Well I am not really old and i can have a try also although my russian is limited.
Cab drivers? Can they be trusted? In Kiev they were my main source and where reliable.
Thanks in advance
You will have a great time in Odessa. Go to the waterfront for streetwalkers. These friendly ladies there will be very helpful and charge you good prices. As you already said, they are "not so bad". You are right!
You seem like you already know all about it.
And the cab drivers too. Yes you can trust them to find girls for you. of course this does cost your money, so $100 or $200 is normal price they will make you pay, but hey, they are finding the girls, so, you have to pay.
So have the big fun in Odessa, its better than Kiev. Bring a lot of cash, you will need it, and you will spend it. Don't listen to all the others complaining about it. They are all cheapos. Spend your money, spend a lot. So what! Have the best time with it. You won't care. Get the girls, that's all that matters. Right?
Thanks you all, specially Bez!
I beg your your pardon if I abuse of your experience... but for streetwalkers what should be a regular price? Do they speak english? Usually at ports they have a simple command at least... I am fluent in english, french, spanish and I can handle basic german... but my russian is very very basic.
On the other side, is there a good sauna of your knowledge. The best known ones are usually overpriced for what you get!
In other cities there is a P2P scene: It is not too obvious if you are older than 40... usually around Mc Donalds, cafes, stations... they approach you and then you settle the price... that is the best for me: You find a good girl to keep you company and they are far more spontaneous than the pros. can you tell me if the beach or the clubs are fit to that after your experience? It is true that although not being a film star myself, I am still acceptably young.
Taxi drivers: In Kiev et allia they didn't charge me extra money... only an "extra" tax which was very affordable. in fact in kiev i got acquaintanced to a young driver who gave me very useful information: He had an agreement with a mamasam who had a flat at the city center: Never heard of, very discreet where you could expend the time with very nice semi-pros or to take them to your hotel. if they saw you a civil educated young man -i am 36 years old- they were more than passionate.
regards
Bez Bezarra
08-06-07, 22:01
Hello,
I'll travel next week to Odessa.
I know Kiev well, where I have spent good moments, and I would like to learn some information about Odessa, as I do not expect freebies to come easy -a top ten girl is a difficult catch everywhere!:
Streetwalkers. Where are them (current data) and what age do they have: Ongoing rate? usually in other FSU countries they are not so bad as they are described here in past reports.
P2P: Where can they be found and price.
Saunas-mamasams: Are there any reliable? Where is the red district? Some adresses?
Are there pros at discos or just teenagers having fun with people their age? Well I am not really old and i can have a try also although my russian is limited.
Cab drivers? Can they be trusted? In Kiev they were my main source and where reliable.
Thanks in advance
You will have a great time in Odessa. Go to the waterfront for streetwalkers. These friendly ladies there will be very helpful and charge you good prices. As you already said, they are "not so bad". You are right!
You seem like you already know all about it.
And the cab drivers too. Yes you can trust them to find girls for you. of course this does cost your money, so $100 or $200 is normal price they will make you pay, but hey, they are finding the girls, so, you have to pay.
So have the big fun in Odessa, its better than Kiev. Bring a lot of cash, you will need it, and you will spend it. Don't listen to all the others complaining about it. They are all cheapos. Spend your money, spend a lot. So what! Have the best time with it. You won't care. Get the girls, that's all that matters. Right?
Its clear that I well overpaid for the cabs (I knew I was being done) but on the occasions I did agree prices the picture changed on arrival where more was asked for.
If it is your nature to sit and and argue the toss late in the evening with a crazy Ukranian cab driver then I agree its right to stand your ground, but its not my way, and honestly I would sooner not get into any confrontation with these individuals especially when I have had a skinfull of ale.
As ever on trips to east Europe the taxi drivers prove to be the most difficult obstacle of all.Hello all!
If you're not up to a simple negotiation with hairyass taxi drivers in Odessa then the girls there will eat you alive. If you manage to find a girl to come home with you, freebie or otherwise and you can't be strong enough to stand your ground for what will only be a half second negotitaion or 50 metre walk having read all the advice in this forum then you may as well put "sucker" on your forehead. You'll be a marked man for the rest of your visit.
My advice would be to practice your manliness on those ugly fuckers until you are ready to take on the lionesses den!!!
Doctor_Skank
08-06-07, 23:15
If you like the clubs then Arcadia is the tourist area and the clubs are busy all week and open late. In the centre of town I found the big nightspots where closed during weekdays. A cab from town to Arcadia at night is anywhere from 100H to 150H (£10-£15) depending how crook the driver is. Seems the cabs are all private owned so they kinda charge what they like. Same journey in the day is 50H (£5).
Taxis aren't going to be your main expense, but let's not get silly here folks.
To Arkadia: 20-25 Griv
From Arkadia: 30-35 Griv
If you are paying more, you are to lazy or intimidated to bargain. YOu don't need much Russian to negotiate, if you know the basic numbers, you'll be fine.
Its clear that I well overpaid for the cabs (I knew I was being done) but on the occasions I did agree prices the picture changed on arrival where more was asked for.
If it is your nature to sit and and argue the toss late in the evening with a crazy Ukranian cab driver then I agree its right to stand your ground, but its not my way, and honestly I would sooner not get into any confrontation with these individuals especially when I have had a skinfull of ale.
As ever on trips to east Europe the taxi drivers prove to be the most difficult obstacle of all.
Its clear that I well overpaid for the cabs (I knew I was being done) but on the occasions I did agree prices the picture changed on arrival where more was asked for.
If it is your nature to sit and and argue the toss late in the evening with a crazy Ukranian cab driver then I agree its right to stand your ground, but its not my way, and honestly I would sooner not get into any confrontation with these individuals especially when I have had a skinfull of ale.
As ever on trips to east Europe the taxi drivers prove to be the most difficult obstacle of all.I completely agree with this statement. In the end it is their city and you can be in a mess.
What I do if the girl is not a freebie is to arrange a price taxi included. It is her who will run with the expenses: As in thhe end it is her money, it is her who bargains in russian-ukrainian or whatever.
Taxis aren't going to be your main expense, but let's not get silly here folks.
To Arkadia: 20-25 Griv
From Arkadia: 30-35 Griv
If you are paying more, you are to lazy or intimidated to bargain. YOu don't need much Russian to negotiate, if you know the basic numbers, you'll be fine.
I agree seems a really incredible price. When the cabs are trying to "fine" you outside RP, and it's KIEV, not Odessa... (and you have a nice blondinka like MT :D ) they ask (still three months ago) for 100 Griv....
IT
Hello all!
If you're not up to a simple negotiation with hairyass taxi drivers in Odessa then the girls there will eat you alive. If you manage to find a girl to come home with you, freebie or otherwise and you can't be strong enough to stand your ground for what will only be a half second negotitaion or 50 metre walk having read all the advice in this forum then you may as well put "sucker" on your forehead. You'll be a marked man for the rest of your visit.
My advice would be to practice your manliness on those ugly fuckers until you are ready to take on the lionesses den!!!
Just to go 20 meters ahead and stretch your arm... or how?
IT
;)
Just to go 20 meters ahead and stretch your arm... or how?
IT
;)Hi,
Basically that's how to do it: Just walk and talk saying 30. You'll find a taxi guy for that after 40/50 metres.
In RP I used to walk past those robbing bastards to the highway and get home for 20 or 30 hrivnas, weather depending.
I rule, I paid 15 grv for a taxi ride back from River Palace this winter. ;)
If someone quotes you too high a price simply go on to the next taxi - there are a zillion in Kiev - except for NYE and when it snows heavily.
On the other hand some taxi driver tried to screw me on the way back from the train station to Madian. I was picking up a dyevuska from the provinces and I told her to ask a cabbie how much back to Madian. I think she misunderstood me because she was in awe of my incredible good looks. She just asked the cabbie to take us to Madian. We got to the McD's and he was like 100grv - I said I don't think so and tossed him 40grv (I still overpaid by 20grv). Grabbed the girlie by the hand and left the cab. FYI - the going rate from Kiev center to Borispol is 100grv.
IT - MT is old news, she was slightly above average (her oral skills are way above average) back when she was fresh - about 3-4 years ago. Stick a fork in her now, she's done.
Bez Bezarra
08-08-07, 05:00
Bez "Chips" or "Cheap" coz meanings not the same thing
Bez is about "Chips" are not "Cheap" in Odessa :-) Painkiller
Hey Pud Grasper!
I really do need something to kill the pain now. :p
So, Pin Coiler, are you like about the Erik Estrada?
How did you knew I am cab driver from Jizzak? I mean, that was before
I drive that other cabs in Nukus and Urganch.
Thanks, Pill Canker Pall Bearer Pig Knuckler.
Just returned from Odessa. Couple of observations.
1. Ibiza/Itaka have the worst male to female ratios of any place else in the city on weeknights. Packed with girls on weekends. Girls cannot afford 40 grivna covers every night, unless they are tourists visiting from Russia, or have money and or rich sponsors. Foreign tourist men on the other hand pour in droves, since we have nothing else to do. They get approached a lot and get big heads. So why try to meet them there if the city is full of girls in other places such as the beaches/cafes/streets/boulevard. Weekends are a lot better, seemed much better ratio overall.
2. quite a few foreigners and many among them are very well dressed Italians/Europeans. I think it goes a long way in Odessa being dressed well and projecting a healthy and wealthy look.
3. Don't eat anything from the street, especially the street vendors selling Shaurmas outside clubs in Arcadia (I know it's tempting at 7AM), and don't drink water. The food poisoning you will get can be severe and last for many days. This happened to me and to a friend of mine last year. I was told the food is safe at paid beaches (Riviera and Arcadia). The food is safe and excellent for the most part in major restaurants (Steakhouse, Kumanetz, etc)
4. Avoid making connection through Borispol airport. I've travelled a lot and seen it bad, but it doesn't get worse at Borispol.
5. Went with OdessaApts - very good service, will go with them again in the future, thanks for recommendations.
A couple of images (warning, they are not of girls), these are images of city beaches, one free one, another one charges cover (Arcadia). It's hard to notice they both have some things in common ;)
Ddd Hunter
08-21-07, 03:37
Just found this site in time for my long trip to Odessa (from LA) in a few days. Many thanks to CA Traveler, Dr Skank and Ash for your great reports. That's definitely helpful stuff.
I'm a Brazil veteran (PM me if you want info), but it's always a search within the P4P world in Brazil to find slim women with the "disproportionately large breasts" I so desire. Hence, the jaunt to EE with a few buddies.
Two questions:
1) Is there anyone out there I can PM who has phone numbers/referrals of ladies who fit the above description? I will be happy to return the favor upon my return from Odessa.
2) Is there anyone who is based in Odessa or visiting this week whom we can meet up with. We are good people -- a bunch of stand up guys from LA and NY - professionals in our late 30's, but none of us have been there before and only one has any Russian language skills.
Thank you in advance for your assistance. Like I said, I'll be glad to help you out in return with info on Rio De Janeiro, Sao Paulo and Fortaleza.
-DDD H
Just returned from Odessa. Couple of observations.
1. Ibiza/Itaka have the worst male to female ratios of any place else in the city on weeknights. Packed with girls on weekends. Girls cannot afford 40 grivna covers every night, unless they are tourists visiting from Russia, or have money and or rich sponsors. Foreign tourist men on the other hand pour in droves, since we have nothing else to do. They get approached a lot and get big heads. So why try to meet them there if the city is full of girls in other places such as the beaches / cafes / streets / boulevard. Weekends are a lot better, seemed much better ratio overall.
2. Quite a few foreigners and many among them are very well dressed Italians / Europeans. I think it goes a long way in Odessa being dressed well and projecting a healthy and wealthy look.
3. Don't eat anything from the street, especially the street vendors selling Shaurmas outside clubs in Arcadia (I know it's tempting at 7AM), and don't drink water. The food poisoning you will get can be severe and last for many days. This happened to me and to a friend of mine last year. I was told the food is safe at paid beaches (Riviera and Arcadia). The food is safe and excellent for the most part in major restaurants (Steakhouse, Kumanetz, etc)
4. Avoid making connection through Borispol airport. I've travelled a lot and seen it bad, but it doesn't get worse at Borispol.
5. Went with OdessaApts - very good service, will go with them again in the future, thanks for recommendations.
A couple of images (warning, they are not of girls), these are images of city beaches, one free one, another one charges cover (Arcadia). It's hard to notice they both have some things in common ;)All this is quite accurate, just to point out:
Odessa is quite a turistic city in summer and there are are quite a lot of EU tourists too: Girls are accustomed to dealing with foreigners though most of them do not speak anything but russian-ukrainian!
Forget the Arkadia area for mongering if you haven't got a good command of the aforementioned languages.
Girls cannot earn big money as commented on previous mails, but they are generally decent and well educated... please do not play the yahoo by offering them money in the streets or bars if not approached by them (which is not common at all!). They are more for a serious relationship than for adventure... and they are not stupid, they do not expect a serious relationship from a visiting stranger.
Go there and please enjoy yourselves but do not expect bargains or desperate girls longing for a foreigner to take them out of there. Life is cheaper for locals than for us tourists, so with USD 300 a month one can make a decent living.
A tip: With taxis UAH 30 can take you to most places... do not pay more!
main streets are the Derivasovskaya and adjacents around the Opera: Classy and expensive. being touted by girls there is all but an urban legend!
Buildings can be deceiving: Quite a dilapidated outer appearance but the interior is usually well furnished. Appartments are usually good.
Paid sex: The port area where the customs office is located. Usually medium-low level. Standard rate is USD 100 for two hours. Best on weekends around 9:00 PM local time. There are also some appartments known by taxi drivers... not too impressive. Rates as above.
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Hakan Demir
08-27-07, 16:06
Hi,
Next week I would have a small vacation in Odessa and wonder if there are any saunas with working girls? Also I heart a strip club called x-club. Anyone been there? Thanks for help.
Explorer69
08-28-07, 08:59
Hi,
Next week I would have a small vacation in Odessa and wonder if there are any saunas with working girls? Also I heart a strip club called x-club. Anyone been there? Thanks for help.There have been reports about saunas, but I have never been there. Maybe taxi drivers can help you? But pls read all the old threads about Odessa, there is some information there.
I spent some hours a night about a year ago in X-club. It is rather far outside the city and I paid a lot to the taxi driver (50-100 hrivnas, I don't remember exactly - and the same for the way back). The club helped to arrange transport back into the centre).
It is a rather nice, modern club with many girls, some very good-looking. They go around and ask to dance for you at the table for 20 hrivnas. I had been fucking a lot in the evening before I went there, so I was "rather relaxed", and I did not ask for sex. However, it was not obvious that this was a possibility. I got a phone number from a girl, when i called the next day, she did not answer...
Manhattan is a strip club right in the centre, it is a smaller club, the girls are not impressive. I have been there 3 times, and every time there was a gem among the girls. The girls there are for take out if they themselves agree -. and usually they are not interested. The price is USD 300 - 400 for the night, I guess the same is for X-club. But a girl from Manhattan whom I met the following afternoon (then it was cheaper, because the club was not involved) told me that most girls practically never went with customers, and if they did it was only if they were in big lack of money.
I expect the same is the case for X-club. Strip clubs can be fun sometimes, but if you look for pussy, Dina mamasan may be your best choice:))
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Doctor_Skank
08-28-07, 11:27
Hi,
Next week I would have a small vacation in Odessa and wonder if there are any saunas with working girls? Also I heart a strip club called x-club. Anyone been there? Thanks for help.Was in x-Club about a year ago. Although small with a single dance stage, a small bar and some lounge-like couches, it was actuially quite ok and a nice way to pass the time, but I am quite certain there is no sex on the premises and if you want to take home a girl it could be tricky. You'll have to either talk to the management or to the girl directly. I didn't try. The "management" seemed to be a slightly fat woman (mamachka) watching the bar and stage and a dark-looking guy (manager) by the door. The goon-like flatheads standing by the door have nothing to say, they are only security (okhraniki).
The club is located outside of the center in a pretty dark and gloomy area, so do be a bit careful. I can't remember the address, sorry.
Girls were in the 6-7 category.
I used the club as a "primer" to have a few drinks before going somewhere else, enjoyed the strippers and some lapdances with some touching. No kissing or anything of the like. Girls were topless with their panties on if I remember correctly. I got some titty action and butt squeezes, the girls rub your cock a bit with their hands and ass.
Can't remember what I paid for lapdances, I think it was 10 grv.
Hakan Demir
09-15-07, 13:03
Last week I was in Odessa, stayed 4 nights. I rent an apartment from odessaapts.com, apartment was great but it was a bit expensive (150$ per day). It was next to McDonalds on Deribasovskaya str. Odessa is a real beautiful city but for mongering the worst place I have ever been to. A lot of beautiful girls, but for freebies not even an eye-contact. Hard to aproach girls and they can be really rude (though I am in my 30ies). I have been to Arcadia place, a lot of action but a few ugly pros. (taxis charged 80hrv. Sorry but could not find any cheaper). In Derib. Str. No street action. I went to Irish pub and Turkish rest. , just 2 or 3 working girls who are 5-6. I called Susie as most of us do when in Odessa. We met in front of Mcdonalds. She arrived with her friend Alexandra and I chose Alexandra (19 years old blond, too thin, but fit). She is a GFE but talks too much. Sex was so professional. I paid 150$ for 3 hours, CBJ and different positions.
Guys, I have been to Yalta and Kiev before, in my opinion Odessa is not the place for mongers. So go somewhere else. I never got bored in an EE city before, but in Odessa I did.
Last week I was in Odessa, stayed 4 nights. I rent an apartment from odessaapts.com, apartment was great but it was a bit expensive (150$ per day). It was next to McDonalds on Deribasovskaya str. Odessa is a real beautiful city but for mongering the worst place I have ever been to. A lot of beautiful girls, but for freebies not even an eye-contact. Hard to aproach girls and they can be really rude (though I am in my 30ies). I have been to Arcadia place, a lot of action but a few ugly pros. (taxis charged 80hrv. Sorry but could not find any cheaper). In Derib. Str. No street action. I went to Irish pub and Turkish rest. , just 2 or 3 working girls who are 5-6. I called Susie as most of us do when in Odessa. We met in front of Mcdonalds. She arrived with her friend Alexandra and I chose Alexandra (19 years old blond, too thin, but fit). She is a GFE but talks too much. Sex was so professional. I paid 150$ for 3 hours, CBJ and different positions.
Guys, I have been to Yalta and Kiev before, in my opinion Odessa is not the place for mongers. So go somewhere else. I never got bored in an EE city before, but in Odessa I did.
I was in Odessa this summer and noticed a lot of very good looking well dressed european men work hard at approaching Odessa girls. I agree one does not get an eye contact just for being or looking foreign. When were you in Yalta and Kiev, did you think those cities were better (in terms of freebies), I was curios.
Hakan Demir
09-21-07, 11:47
I have been to Kiev in winter time and had not much time for freebies, but in Yalta especially in summer it is great fun. Lots of dve's, many students from univercity. Easy to score with freebies. I even found a girl who would stay with me for free just to spend her holiday in Yalta (from love. Mail). There is even a cafe where freebies hang out and there are always 10-15 girls who are looking to earn some cash for school or etc. Trust me guys when walking at the beach, pros will find you and come and offer you some good time. I think Yalta is the best.
I was in Odessa this summer and noticed a lot of very good looking well dressed european men work hard at approaching Odessa girls. I agree one does not get an eye contact just for being or looking foreign. When were you in Yalta and Kiev, did you think those cities were better (in terms of freebies), I was curios.
GreenRoamer
09-30-07, 19:53
I was in Odessa for a couple of days during a business trip to Ukraine. I stayed at the Londonskaya Hotel, very nice 4 star and not so expensive. When I came in at midnight there were three-four pros at a table by the lift. There seemed to be the wrong side of 40 but acceptable quality.
I went to the x-club one night (all taxi drivers know where it is), okay but more expensive that ones in Kiev and private dances kind of average. Did not appear to be any sex on the premise.
Other than that, there was not much available on spec. If visitors to Odessa are expecting to be hit by girls from all sides in the streets and bars they'll be disappointed. Most seem to book ladies via "marriage agencies" which are not really my style.
Explorer69
10-14-07, 01:37
i have been a regular visitor to odessa during the last 16 months. recently i have not been much on the p4p scene in odessa because i have had "girlfriends". well, in fact the girlfriends cost just as much as the pros, but it is more fun in my view. i have written before on the p4p scene and i agree with everybody that if you want a series of girl available to be fucked for an hour or two: don’t go to odessa. however, if you get the local girls to join you for free – which in reality is rather expensive, you can have a great time. and for some reason 95% of them are fantastic in giving oral. i have had a very good time in odessa.
but let me tell about some xperiences – and some of the dangers one can meet. recently i have had 2 girlfriends that i have been fucking during my visits in odessa: one is 21, small and very slim, not exactly my type, but fantastic in bed, multiorgasmic and gives the very best oral. (#1). the other one has a fantastic body with large fabulous tits, but is more conventional in sex (#2). however, her body makes me soooo horny!
a month ago i was in odessa. i had told # 2 that i was coming in one day later than what i did in reality, i wanted to concentrate fully on #1 during the first 24 hours. #2 is a student and she had mentioned to me on the phone that she had a financial problem, she was lacking usd 800 for paying her university for the year. i had been with her for several months and had a lot of great sex, so i was seriously considering to give her the 800, after all the "goodies" i had received it would not be unreasonable.
on my first day after arriving in the afternoon i went on deribasovskaya to have a coffee etc. and wait for #1. there i suddenly saw #2 standing on the street with a young, local guy. they were kissing! i stopped and studied the situation from a little distance. it was clear that they were intimate. what to do? then i went up to them and said behind her back "hello evgenia"! she looked at me almost in shock! i said "so nice to see you, shall you introduce me to your friend"? i then said to the young man "i am evgenia’s boyfriend, who are you"?
it turned out that he had no idea about me, and now i decided there was enough damage so i said to evgenia: "see you later" and i left. the next day she called me and said it was a misunderstanding and she wanted to be with me. she came to me and fucked me like crazy, then i told her i did not trust her and i would not give her any money – nor would i see her again. end of story with evgenia, but at least i got a very good fuck as a final present – for free!
it has repeatedly been discussed here about the girls, sponsorship, money etc. so i wanted to tell this story and only luck prevented me from paying usd 800!
a few more comments from odessa. on night after fucking #1 and she had left for mother (she always leaves at midnight to stay with mother! ), i decided to go to the strip club x-club. by the way #1 is very modest, i know she has very little and you can see she is dressed more simply than most girls in odessa. i give her a little money, she is always overwhelmed, and sometimes she refuses to accept it. so she is very inexpensive.
i did not like x-club. both the waitresses and the strippers had a bad attitude. there was as far as i understood no possubilities for sex – and no take out. in fact the girls were making a lot of money when they were around collecting tips after their dances. they did not accept a tip less than 50 griva and i am certain they made several hundred dollars in a night. i will not go back!
one evening i called dina mamasan. she is reliable and provide ok girls. , sometimes very good. if i happen to be an evening without a date, i call her. she has now increased her prices, it is usd 150 for 2 hours. however, if you click with the girl you can negotiate with her for longer stays or make an appointment for the next day – and then it is cheaper if she likes you. most of these girls are semipros, they do a trick now and then to supplement their salaries. many are students and need money for shool. several of dina’s girls are students from nikolaev for the evening/night to make money.
in addition to #1 who got my almost undivided attention during this stay, i also met a woman in the supermarket. usually i prefer girls 18-25 years old. however, there was this ok looking woman about 35 in the supermarket. she was blond, a little big in figure with large breasts – looking rather sexy. we were both shopping and we looked at each other several times, having almost the same speed and course through the shop. i then pretended to ask her about something, we started talking and after supermarket we had a coffee. to make a it short: two hours later we were fucking as if it was our last hour on earth! to have an experienced woman from ukraine was a new experience and very good. experience can do wonders! it was so good that we repeated the next day! so for the future i will be open for those above 25 as well!
Explorer, why did you confront your friend in the street and then tell the Ukrainian guy you were her boyfriend? Did you feel hurt? Did you think you had the moral upper ground? After all you had lied to her so you could fuck someone else on the first day you were there. This is a game and we are all players and to every games there are rules and you broke one. You should have walked by her and stopped and said hello to see her reaction and that should have been the end of it. Now if you were actually serious about this girl I could see your moral outrage but obviously you are not.
I then said to the young man "I am Evgenia’s boyfriend, who are you"?
And is there in this ridiculous behavior something to be proud of ?
Bez Bezarra
10-14-07, 12:17
There I suddenly saw #2 on the street with a young, local guy.
They were kissing!
It was clear that they were intimate.
What to do?
I said to Evgenia: "see you later" and I left.
The next day she called me and said it was a misunderstanding .
So only luck prevented me from paying USD 800!
Well, its a nice story with a nice ending, almost like a fairy tale?
Almost like one very innocent little blondinka who played me like a violin until my friends spotted her doing the same thing, playing tonsil hockey on the university steps with some young Ivan, which she denied and denied and denied.
Of course, in the end, its always true. When you get a warning that a good girl is not such a good girl, be very happy that you learned the truth. Then again, if you haven't learned yet that they all want $800 for this or that, and if they ask you, you can be sure this means trouble, and boyfriends, and other men, because obviously if they are fucking you, you aren't alone, then you will probably never learn anything.
This is mongering 101!
I agree with Explorer69. He did the right thing to confront the boyfriend. This is considered manly beahaviour in Ukraine. After all the girl cheated him while he was there, she had probably told him a lot of lies not to meet and of course she would insist that she stands in moral ground to increase her demands. To see a girl you pay for kissing another one is devastating.
Explorer69
10-14-07, 14:37
And is there in this ridiculous behavior something to be proud of ?I am not proud, I am just happy I did not pay the 800. And she was obviuously making a play both with me and her you friend. It was a lesson. Although I know in advance that such things happen all the time. However, it is interesting to get exposed to it. It was from me only a reminder to us all: be careful.
Reiner Otto
10-14-07, 20:24
Hahan,
I agree totally on you regarding Yalta. I have been there previous year and the year before, but this year I did not make it. I also heard, the prices steeply increased.
But everytime it was fantastic!
Which cafe with freebies hanging around did you mean in your report?
On the promenede of Yalta, in one of the new buildings?
I am not proud, I am just happy I did not pay the 800. And she was obviuously making a play both with me and her you friend. It was a lesson. Although I know in advance that such things happen all the time. However, it is interesting to get exposed to it. It was from me only a reminder to us all: be careful.Can you upload some photos of her nude and/or non-nude? It could be a little sweet revenge for you.
Explorer69
10-14-07, 21:46
Explorer, somehow I am still missing how you got taken advantage of. You were in Odessa fucking around with a bunch of girls and you saw a girl you were fucking around with fucking around with another guy. Obviously everyone is fucking around - you, the girl and the other guy. And you are upset because...? Did this girl tell you were her only man? That she was serious about you and only you? Did you foresake all the other ho's in Odessa for her? Did you really think you were her boyfriend? Or were you sticking it to her because you saw her in Odessa kissing another guy when you had lied to her about your arrival so you could fuck another girl that day?I just posted this to remind everybody how the system works sometimes. I could have handled it differently. I am neither upset or proud, I just post this for general information. I am certain that if she had seen me with another girl she would make a fuss because she behaved as if she wanted to be my "special girlfriend". All the time I was thinking that she went with others when I was not there. A week before my arrival we were speaking on the phone and she mentioned the problem with 800 dollars. I said that "I am certain you have a Ukrainian boyfriend that can help you". She then said: "No, nO, I don't have a boyfriend here". So this is a reminder to everybody who is less expereinced than Cruiser.
Bez Bezarra
10-15-07, 11:51
I said I am certain you have a Ukrainian boyfriend.
She said: "No, I don't have a boyfriend here".
Actually how far up your ass IS your head? Can you see your tonsils?
Ok, ok, its just some teasing. Don't have a cow!
Any dyevochka that sleeps with any monger can NEVER be believed that she is faithful, ok? Its completely ridiculous. If you travel to Ukraine and NEVER fuck any girl, except one you meet that you propose marriage to her papa and he gives you his blessing, you STILL should not expect her to be faithful to you, but at least its a possibility.
Any OTHER dyevochka, FORGET IT!!!
Doctor_Skank
10-15-07, 12:31
Any dyevochka that sleeps with any monger can NEVER be believed that she is faithful, ok? Its completely ridiculous. If you travel to Ukraine and NEVER fuck any girl, except one you meet that you propose marriage to her papa and he gives you his blessing, you STILL should not expect her to be faithful to you, but at least its a possibility.
Any OTHER dyevochka, FORGET IT!!!
Say it isn't so Bez... you mean Dasha, Natasha, Masha, Sasha, Tasha, Julka, Ksushka, Papadooshka aren't being faithul to me?
Oh no... :(
I just posted this to remind everybody how the system works sometimes. I could have handled it differently. I am neither upset or proud, I just post this for general information. I am certain that if she had seen me with another girl she would make a fuss because she behaved as if she wanted to be my "special girlfriend". All the time I was thinking that she went with others when I was not there. A week before my arrival we were speaking on the phone and she mentioned the problem with 800 dollars. I said that "I am certain you have a Ukrainian boyfriend that can help you". She then said: "No, nO, I don't have a boyfriend here". So this is a reminder to everybody who is less expereinced than Cruiser.
Did you not read ANY of the posts on Odessan girls????
Three things:
1) Don't send or give girls money unless it has immediate added value for you (i.e. sex toys or airline tickets to see you and be your sex toy) or you actually love this girl and want to marry her
2) Don't expect or demand a girl be faithful to you unless you actually love this girl and want to marry her
3) Don't actually love this girl and want to marry her
OK; part 3 is up to you... but please, don't expect these girls to be faithful when you are fucking around behind her back every chance you get.
Personally I sometimes ask the girls and am surprised that many will admit they have local boyfriends. It's no big deal. As foreign mongers, sex tourists and louts we have a special status. Fly in, fuck around and fly out. Fun for everybody, nothing more, nothing less.
Especially for the girls with boyfriends its great. They can get some Yankee cock (or whatever brand your cock is) and a couple nights out on the town without having to dump their boyfriend, who is there for her when she needs a ride into town, someone to protect her at night and someone to lie about how good her shitty cooking is. Best of both worlds for them lot.
Good for us too. We get sex without having to endure the boring relationship, pretend to pay attention during the idle conversations and other non-fucking down time, pretend to enjoy her shitty cooking and take weekend trips to see her grandma, who smells like cabbage.
You learned your lesson Explorer69... laugh it off and move on. At least you got the Revenge Fuck. And saved $800.
I think there is a girl in Moldova who needs a new phone... :)
Bez Bezarra
10-15-07, 12:46
So Bez... you mean Dasha, N, MaTushadooshka aren't being faithul to me?
Oh no... :(
They're not even faithful to each other.
Don't fret Explorer,
You played that situation perfectly, you caught her red handed, and instead of waiting to tell her later ( where she could have tried to deny it ), or possibly not tell her at all ( where she could have feigned displeasure at you not giving her the money, and probably would have withheld pussy ), you confronted here, thereby making her look like the sl*t, and making her be the one who had to call you to try to make amends, which not only guaranteed you some free " goodbye " or " make-up " pussy, but also layed moot the topic of you giving her money. I would consider that a checkmate
A really good girl will rarely if ever ask you for money, money girls aka slu*s will do nothing but. And don't feel bad, this kind of shit happens to everyone Russians and Ukrainians think monogomy is a kartoshka dish or something. The men cheat like dogs and the women are generally worse. Of course if you are a womans, good looking multi millionaire horse dicked husband, then you might actually have a chance at keeping a money girl from straying, if not, chances are you should forget about it.
But one thing you can get from this is that, you cannot leave a girl alone in another city, town, state, country and expect her to remain faithful, so if you have a " girlfriend " in another city that you see from time to time, don't kid yourself, she isn't your girlfriend, she is a girl you fuck, and that is all you are to her, and once that is clear in her mind, that is when the requests for money start rolling in.
But lets be real, you are a dogg, so is everyone on this website, so you really don't give a shit about finding a good girl, settling down and starting a family. Just please don't give girls money, unless, you have a clear sponsorship agreement with them. Make it clear, you give her X amount of dollars a month and she gives you unlimited access to all her holes, end of story.
Evil Z
Doctor_Skank
10-15-07, 12:49
They're not even faithful to each other.
Haha, made me smile. Thanks Bez.
We get sex without having to endure the boring relationship, idle conversations, bad cooking and trips to see her grandma, who smells like cabbage.Hey, I like how Babushkas cook, I love me some homemade (green) borscht. And if you don't enjoy trips to the village to see the grandparents, don't ever marry a Slavic girl, it's like madatory, I think it's written into the constitution or something.
PS, he didn't get the revenge fuck, he got the sympathy fuck, the REVENGE fuck would have included some serious assfucking with no vasoline :eek:
Evil
I am not proud, I am just happy I did not pay the 800. And she was obviuously making a play both with me and her you friend. It was a lesson. Although I know in advance that such things happen all the time. However, it is interesting to get exposed to it. It was from me only a reminder to us all: be careful.Explorer,
Upload some photos of that girl, nude and/or non-nude unmasked. It would be interesting for us and a little revenge for you.
Explorer69
10-15-07, 18:21
Explorer,
Upload some photos of that girl, nude and/or non-nude unmasked. It would be interesting for us and a little revenge for you.Sorry, I don't have any, I usually don't take pictures.
Doctor_Skank
10-15-07, 18:27
Hey, I like how Babushkas cook, I love me some homemade (green) borscht. And if you don't enjoy trips to the village to see the grandparents, don't ever marry a Slavic girl, it's like madatory, I think it's written into the constitution or something.
Evil
It's the obligatory trips to babushka that keep me from crossing that line... even though I've met a "mom" more than once, been to visit a sick sisters or two and even helped out in the dacha. But no, trips to visit babushka , as good as her borsht might be... that's going too far. :) That and the fact that I could never be faithful to a Ukrainian girl if I lived in Ukraine. I just know I couldn't with all the other hotties available. Call me weak in that respect. I'd have to move to someplace like Antarctica, Greenland or Iowa to stay faithful.
PS, he didn't get the revenge fuck, he got the sympathy fuck, the REVENGE fuck would have included some serious assfucking with no vasoline :eek:
Evil
You got me there.
Street Sleuth
10-17-07, 10:16
Explorer, why did you confront your friend in the street and then tell the Ukrainian guy you were her boyfriend? Did you feel hurt? Did you think you had the moral upper ground? After all you had lied to her so you could fuck someone else on the first day you were there. This is a game and we are all players and to every games there are rules and you broke one. You should have walked by her and stopped and said hello to see her reaction and that should have been the end of it. Now if you were actually serious about this girl I could see your moral outrage but obviously you are not.
Explorer, its not often I agree with CD, but gotta on this one. Its not like you were any angel. You were nailing at least two girls that we know of, and likely many more :) Not chastising you - we're all in that boat - but what can you really expect of the girls?
Have you been living in Odessa permanently for the past 16 months? Did you make it clear to this girl that you wanted an exclusive relationship? Were you seriously considering marrying her?
Or do you expect quasi girlfriends to be faithful to you, while you trott the globe banging every girl you meet in a grocery store?
Street Sleuth
10-17-07, 10:25
I just posted this to remind everybody how the system works sometimes. I could have handled it differently. I am neither upset or proud, I just post this for general information. I am certain that if she had seen me with another girl she would make a fuss because she behaved as if she wanted to be my "special girlfriend". All the time I was thinking that she went with others when I was not there. A week before my arrival we were speaking on the phone and she mentioned the problem with 800 dollars. I said that "I am certain you have a Ukrainian boyfriend that can help you". She then said: "No, nO, I don't have a boyfriend here". So this is a reminder to everybody who is less expereinced than Cruiser.
Although there are nuances to girls from different cultures, women are typically the same the world over. They will play the field, to the extent they can, until they find a serious, devoted guy, if ever (ie - none of us....).
You can't fault them for that. What would you have said to your 'special girlfriend' if she asked you if you had been banging hookers? "Why, yes dear, just last night...that's why I'm too tired to do you now....".
Most local girls who go in search of foreign boyfriends/husbands/lovers will also have a local boyfriend. Again, do you really consider this unusual, or unethical, behavior? How can they be certain anything will come of the foreign relationship - 99% end up nowhere. They keep their local guy just in case, but will drop him in 3 seconds if you proposed to them.
I wouldn't have made a blatant issue of it - wasn't terribly fair to her or to her boyfriend (some things are best left unknown).
CA Traveler
11-16-07, 18:13
It's nice to come back to ISG after an absence and realize that E69 is now an Odessa local... Ha, I knew him in Moscow when he was a rookie! :)
Good to see that doc is still able to keep up his steady string of advice for the worthy... and not so worthy! AND, still be able to keep a job that allows him to monger all over the FSU! Damn... when I grow up, I want to be doc!
E69... two things to always remember about women... especially FSU, i.e. Russian/Ukrainian, women:
1. All Russian/Ukrainian women lie.
2. See Rule 1.
Have fun and keep the faith!
..to see again a handle that provided some of the most incisive, informative and entertaining posts on all things Russia/Ukraine in times past. Simply a thanks from one of the many who remember and were informed. Inspiration to put things back to ISG concerning our own wanderings. Enjoy.
Doctor_Skank
11-17-07, 17:44
It's nice to come back to ISG after an absence and realize that E69 is now an Odessa local... Ha, I knew him in Moscow when he was a rookie! :)
Good to see that doc is still able to keep up his steady string of advice for the worthy... and not so worthy! AND, still be able to keep a job that allows him to monger all over the FSU! Damn... when I grow up, I want to be doc!
E69... two things to always remember about women... especially FSU, i.e. Russian/Ukrainian, women:
1. All Russian/Ukrainian women lie.
2. See Rule 1.
Have fun and keep the faith!
Hey Ca_T, great to hear from you! How's life?
All good on this end... :)
CA Traveler
11-19-07, 00:36
XS... thanks!
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Doc... I'm great! Spending waaaay too much time at AMP's in SoCal. Wish I could figure out a way to make an encore visit to the FSU or even asia, but with all things considered I'm better off sticking to my plan! I do miss all the sweet young things from RU/Ukr more than you can believe!
Take care!
Bez Bezarra
11-24-07, 20:58
This mistake report I made can identify me!
Please delete!
Don't worry, nobody cares. :(
Chill Bill
11-28-07, 15:07
Can someone please tell me how cold/snowy Odessa is between January and April ...
Thanks.
DoctorOral
11-28-07, 16:24
Yes- Google can tell you. Maybe you can check!
BUT! Can someone tell me how hot it is in an average Odessa pussy between August and September. Should be 27,4 degrees since we are hotter in summer, no?
But then, those bitches never wear even gstrings and are all shaved, so the breeze should cool their pussies to 26,8 until my dick is in - which will again make tempratures rise to 95 degrees - if I am not mistaken?
Please reply promtly since I am in big need for the exact information!
Can someone please tell me how cold/snowy Odessa is between January and April ...
Thanks.
Doctor_Skank
11-28-07, 19:10
Can someone please tell me how cold/snowy Odessa is between January and April ...
Thanks.
In my experience between 0 and 5 degrees in January/February and 3-15 in March-April... not much snow, but it can occur. Is cold, but not as bad as Kiev or Moscow. In April you may already get into the high teens... pun intended. )))
DoctorOral
12-10-07, 09:08
I have been to Odessa before and enjoyed my (long) time there greatly. This time, things are different: I will be in Odessa next week for a day and I am caught in a hotel picked by our business partners (and he travels with us). I am looking for Sauna / Banja / erotic massage fun OUTSIDE the hotel (and I do not mean in front of it on the lawn). Any suggestions for me?
The staff at Odessa Apartments are quite rude and unprofessional. I hope that others have better luck with them.
DD
Doctor_Skank
12-17-07, 11:19
The staff at Odessa Apartments are quite rude and unprofessional. I hope that others have better luck with them.
DD
Strange, I was actually quite impressed and found them helpful, particularly Julia.
This spring I had pre-paid an apartment with them and then got stuck in Moscow because of a sudden freak snowstorm in Odessa that shut down the airport and I couldn't fly in. Instead of just pocketing all or half of the money as many a UKR agency would do, they actually let me use the full pre-paid amount on a future rental.
Thought that was pretty cool.
White Noise
01-04-08, 15:14
Let me breathe some life into this thread which appears as dead as Deribasovskaya at minus 10 degrees right now. A novice to this board I have travelled the motherland since the turn of the millennium and would have many tales to tell, if I dug deep in my memory.
More recently, I've followed the call of the 'clitoris' of Mother Russia, ending up in Odessa. To cut to the chase, I was given a warm welcome by the stunning 27-year old Inna aka Viktoria, who gave excellent GFE for two hours no holes barred. Unfortunately, I forgot to take pictures, but will attach some pics of hers that I found on a dating site. Just thinking of her, I might call her again tonight, though am more of a non-pro guy.
The last two days I sweetened my 'svobodni vremini' with the pleasures of Alyona 18 and Leda 18, two cute Nikolaev sisters, who needed some extra cash after New Year. They both said to have started sex only this year, and indeed I had to use all my 'neshnosti' to keep shagging them for three hours each. Pictures will follow.
And last, feeling like Pushkin must have felt during his Odessan exile, I'm pining for Moscow and my lapushka, who keeps sending me messages but whose parents don't allow her to visit me in Western Europe. You'll understand my pain once you look at the attached pics of Alina 18.
I'm surprised you can see Alina when she turns sideways. :)
Explorer69
01-04-08, 17:54
Let me breathe some life into this thread which appears as dead as Deribasovskaya at minus 10 degrees right now. A novice to this board I have travelled the motherland since the turn of the millennium and would have many tales to tell, if I dug deep in my memory.
More recently, I've followed the call of the 'clitoris' of Mother Russia, ending up in Odessa. To cut to the chase, I was given a warm welcome by the stunning 27-year old Inna aka Viktoria, who gave excellent GFE for two hours no holes barred. Unfortunately, I forgot to take pictures, but will attach some pics of hers that I found on a dating site. Just thinking of her, I might call her again tonight, though am more of a non-pro guy.
The last two days I sweetened my 'svobodni vremini' with the pleasures of Alyona 18 and Leda 18, two cute Nikolaev sisters, who needed some extra cash after New Year. They both said to have started sex only this year, and indeed I had to use all my 'neshnosti' to keep shagging them for three hours each. Pictures will follow.
And last, feeling like Pushkin must have felt during his Odessan exile, I'm pining for Moscow and my lapushka, who keeps sending me messages but whose parents don't allow her to visit me in Western Europe. You'll understand my pain once you look at the attached pics of Alina 18.Very nice! Congratulations!
Explorer69
01-04-08, 17:55
The staff at Odessa Apartments are quite rude and unprofessional. I hope that others have better luck with them.
DDVery strange, in my experience they are very helpful and professional. The same is for their branch in Kiev
Doctor_Skank
01-05-08, 02:08
lapushka
Nice n skinny...)
White Noise
01-08-08, 11:53
Just to follow up on my promise, here's a few pics of Leda 18 from Nikolaev, currently in Odessa. She did look better when I was horny. Must have deleted those of her sis Alyona 18. Apparently, there's a third 'rodnaya sistra' in the pack, more skinny, also 18 and available.
Doctor_Skank
01-09-08, 07:55
Just to follow up on my promise, here's a few pics of Leda 18 from Nikolaev, currently in Odessa. She did look better when I was horny. Must have deleted those of her sis Alyona 18. Apparently, there's a third 'rodnaya sistra' in the pack, more skinny, also 18 and available.
Thanks for the pics WN! One thing to remember about Odessa is that in the summer when the girls are tan and wearing next to nothing, a 6 becomes an 8 and a 7 becomes a 9 and a 8 starts looking like a 9+.
In winter their beauty hibernates.
when the girls are tan and wearing next to nothing.
Some other countries are not bad also when it comes to tanned women wearing next to nothing on the beach.
As this is the Ukraine forum no need to elaborate about the continent where this kind of tiny bikinis and colorful beach outfits are weared.
;)
Doctor_Skank
01-18-08, 19:53
Some other countries are not bad also when it comes to tanned women wearing next to nothing on the beach.
As this is the Ukraine forum no need to elaborate about the continent where this kind of tiny bikinis and colorful beach outfits are weared.
;)
I'm jealous... :)
But EE beaches have their benefits too...
But EE beaches have their benefits too...
Seconded.
Mamaia and Costinesti in Romania are the only beach scenes I know in EE, and to tell the truth, the number of hot girls there vs. Copacabana is IMO probably roughly 10 to 1. Women are simply more beautiful in this part of the world. It's a pure fact. :)
EE beach scenes .. I'd like to see Koktebel, Batumi, Varna and Shkodra ... maybe also Sevastopol.. Odessa must be great but is just not my cup of tea.
Bez Bezarra
01-20-08, 02:16
Where's Koktebel and Shkodra?
Where's Shkodra?
Shkodra is an historic town on the shores of Shkodër lake in Albania which has a great summertime party scene from what I've been told.
Very strange, in my experience they are very helpful and professional. The same is for their branch in Kiev
I have nothing but good to say about them. Very patient and accommodating.
Bez,
Koktebel is a very famous Crimean resort as well as being well-renowned as a major brandy producing region.
Here is some more information that will also whet your appetite:
Koktebel today is one of Crimea's best-known resorts and has been attracting more and more wealthy visitors despite its conspicuous lack of infrastructure. Koktebel is a half-hour drive from Feodosiya and less than an hour from Sudak by bus.
Maximilian Voloshin — a Russian writer and painter who lived from 1877 to 1932 — made the village of Koktebel famous by inviting prominent scientists, artists, writers, and intelligentsia to his fancy library-like home, which is a museum today.
Koktebel became associated with the naturism movement in Voloshin's time, and it remains a haven for nudists to this day. They gather at the edges of the long city beach, but they are being squeezed further out by mass tourism and Koktebel's development as an elitist resort. Today Koktebel is more famous for its wines and cognacs.
Doctor_Skank
01-20-08, 13:53
Seconded.
Mamaia and Costinesti in Romania are the only beach scenes I know in EE, and to tell the truth, the number of hot girls there vs. Copacabana is IMO probably roughly 10 to 1. Women are simply more beautiful in this part of the world. It's a pure fact. :)
EE beach scenes .. I'd like to see Koktebel, Batumi, Varna and Shkodra ... maybe also Sevastopol.. Odessa must be great but is just not my cup of tea.
I've been to Varna, which I very much enjoyed, but it is a pretty popular destination now with German, Scandi and other Euro tourists in addition to the Bulgarian, Ukrainian and Russian tourists (gold beach, sun beach). Not sure if that is a good or a bad thing that so many Euros are there, pun intended. It was years ago, but I managed to pull a Bulgarian virgin celebrating her high school graduation and a Swedish teen just celebrating life will there. That was a few years ago.
I'd love to go to Kazantip, but perhaps the heyday of Kazantip is also in the past? Regrettably I never found time for it... but may just go this summer and call it "language school"... :)
http://www.kazantip.com/
How is the Romanian beach scene?
Bez Bezarra
01-20-08, 16:38
prosalt- damn, you're right about one thing, koktebel is a little shit hole, that place is small, i don't think you would even know you were there unless somebody told you, on the drive to feodosia.
dok, i've been to kazantip, in 2002, when i stayed in chornomors'k for a week at a summer beach destination with a bunch of university students. we made a lot of day trips to different beaches, and down to sevastopol. kazantip was just a little stop we always made, after yevpatoria, which was like the only semi-civilized place within a 2 hour drive. seemed like kazantip was the [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) place to go, but it didn't seem like it was anything but a place to pull your car over on the side of the road and camp out in a tent on the beach. there were no actual places to stay or to eat or even take a shower, so it was very rough. my hosts explained to me that the visitors there were mostly very poor belorussian families who had money only for gas and beer, but not for accomodations. i never was there at night, so if there was some fantastic club scene overflowing with super hot chicks, i sure didn't see any of that.
Doctor_Skank
01-20-08, 19:31
dok, i've been to kazantip, in 2002, when i stayed in chornomors'k for a week at a summer beach destination with a bunch of university students. we made a lot of day trips to different beaches, and down to sevastopol. kazantip was just a little stop we always made, after yevpatoria, which was like the only semi-civilized place within a 2 hour drive. seemed like kazantip was the [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) place to go, but it didn't seem like it was anything but a place to pull your car over on the side of the road and camp out in a tent on the beach. there were no actual places to stay or to eat or even take a shower, so it was very rough. my hosts explained to me that the visitors there were mostly very poor belorussian families who had money only for gas and beer, but not for accomodations. i never was there at night, so if there was some fantastic club scene overflowing with super hot chicks, i sure didn't see any of that.
kazantip is a techno-music mecca for 5 weeks every summer when oodles of ukrainians and russians come down to take lots of drugs, party their asses off and get diseases that take antibiotics to cure. apparently (and unsurprisingly) it is becoming more and more dominated by rich muscovites who bring down their own harem of women (all on some sort of payment plan) for some debauchery. around 100.000+ party-goers visit every year, over 300 more or less famous djs are invited.
it's close to popovka, near yevpatoria.
the party area is called 'the republic of kazantip" and there are ministers of sound, mood and architecture... and you pay around $100 for a "visa" to visit... :)
so yeah, kazantip in itself is nothing, but for 5 weeks in the summer it's another planet.
Bez Bezarra
01-20-08, 21:16
So I must have missed it. I was only there a week in July.
Doctor_Skank
01-20-08, 22:43
So I must have missed it. I was only there a week in July.
I hear that. One of the major reasons I didn't "force" myself to go is because I don't think I could take enough ecstacy to endure a week of that... why don't they have beer and dried fish festivals? )))
How is the Romanian beach scene?
Well, as in Ukraine I guess .... romanian Black Sea beaches are jammed, strewn with trash, a vast majority of the people are low-to-middle class, there's tons of very hot girls and also lots some sex-hungry italians. :)
Each time I've been in Mamaia and Costinesti was with a GF and I didn't had any opportunity to chase skirts, but eye contacts and body languages strongly suggested that scoring perspectives were very pretty good.
I had also the feeling in Mamaia that there was many normal lower-class girls seemingly broke and who could sleep with almost any guy who hooked them up with what they wanted (dinner, clubs entrance and drinks, ect). Not professional piranhas like in Odessa, just poor and willing provincial girls eager to fully live their vacations.
Anyway the best "summertime scene" in Romania is for me Blue Ciel in Bucarest, a hip and glam outdoor swimming pool in nice surroundings and city's best well-kept secret, never reported here. Visual Viagra all around (lots of mid-to-upper class women aged 20/30) and cool summertime vibes, but without the often insufferable techno/xtasy atmosphere "a la Ibiza" of the beach resorts.
There's two other popular and trendy outdoor swimming pools in Bucarest, Cuba and especially Daimon in Tineretului Park, which opened last summer and will be *the" place to be this year. Never been there though, but it's on my to-do list for May or June. There's now flights to Romania from Paris for 120 € two-ways and Bucarest is definitely the best long-weekend destination I can think of.
Wow Deep, you have posted two messages on ISG and they are both about Vera - you aren't a pimp or anything are you?
This Vera has stolen photos on her site. She is probably an ugly, fat, drug addict.
The worst part is that her services seem to amount to nothing more than a $100/hour boring missionary cum one time event.
Her site is typical of the worst attitudes of Ukrainian girls: "Here are my do's and don'ts, mostly don'ts, and you can pay ME to screw you out of your money!"
Bez Bezarra
01-26-08, 14:38
From Makler gazyetta, a few years ago, there was really ONLY 1 escort service listed, that would actually send girls to your flat. Sure there were some other numbers, and I did get my Ukrainian buddy to call one of them for me to make sure I got the local price, which was $35 an hour, and to make sure they sent me something acceptable, which she was, pretty average girl, nothing special, but pleasant for an afternoon session.
But at VIP, one dispatcher spoke enough English to understand what I wanted, though they sent me 2 blonds that were unfortunately very hardened very experienced very jaded hard core pros who were all business and zero percent GFE, so my experience with them was terrible. When I asked them for something more along the lines of what I wanted, they basically said they didn't have anyone else except older pros, older ladies with children that were very experienced all-business pros. They were offereing me the local price with just a small foreigner add-on fee, around $40 to $50 an hour, but at any price, those kind of pros would not interest me.
I got so frustrated that I had no choice but to do what I did not what to do, which was tell them that I would be willing to pay $100 or even more, if they would just please send me non-pro university student for GFE. As all agencies do, they lied and said sure no problem and continued sending me the same low quality zero GFE types, but were now asking for $100, so I just kept sending them away and gave up calling them for a few days.
At the very end of my 10 days, I tried them again, and they did actually send me a dyevochka that was not only exactly what I wanted, she was probably the best girl I had ever met out of hundreds. On the 1 to 10 scale, she was about a 12, super ultra hot with maybe the best BBBJ I've ever had in my life, absolutely on fire. The ONLY negative was she was just too shy to allow naked fotos, but like almost every time I go, it takes me until the final night for me to find the best girl.
I know I'm always saying that I would never want to keep a dyev around after her coming over, but this was one of those rare exceptions that I would not only have kept her, but i would have probably tried to see her every day and every night until I was no longer able to walk in a straight line. But of course, I had to find her the night before I had to leave. This, if you didn't know, is the story of my life.
So if the VIP agency listed in Vera's fake foto Odessa website is the same, then you may or may not find something interesting if you call them.
I'm not saying to call Vera, just the VIP agency, if they are still advertising in the newspaper. One of their girls had given me a business card, with a local number, not a mobil.
LifeSavour
02-13-08, 17:20
From Makler gazyetta, one dispatcher spoke enough English to understand.
At the very end of my 10 days, I tried them again, and they did actually send me a dyevochka that was not only exactly what I wanted, she was probably the best girl I had ever met out of hundreds.She was exactly not what you wanted! She was the best girl.
So if I understand, you want 'kakashka' (shit), but got a good one?
And no photos? Of course NOT. You don't have any experience I real life to take them!
I know, I talk to many MONGERS, and they 'squeal' on ya.
LS Guy
I'm popping over to the pearl of the black sea for the week end 29 Feb - 02 Mar. Who's around? Woo Dog, we haven't heard much from you in a while :)
Which are the hottest winter clubs to go to for the young college dyevs?
Yeyo
Palladium
Captain Morgan
Advice please for the best freebie hit rate.
Doctor_Skank
02-16-08, 01:59
I'm popping over to the pearl of the black sea for the week end 29 Feb - 02 Mar. Who's around? Woo Dog, we haven't heard much from you in a while :)
Which are the hottest winter clubs to go to for the young college dyevs?
Yeyo
Palladium
Captain Morgan
Advice please for the best freebie hit rate.
Personally I liked Yeyo best in the winter... but that was a year ago. No idea what the hottest new club is.
It might be best to stick to the tried and tested favourites. I've heard a lot about Yeyo.
Doctor_Skank
02-22-08, 10:37
It might be best to stick to the tried and tested favourites. I've heard a lot about Yeyo.
That's where I'd go, but admittedly haven't been active in the club scene in Odessa for some time. Am itching to get back though, I love the summers there in that piece of shit ugly-ass town.
Which are the hottest winter clubs to go to for the young college dyevs?
I don't recall meeting too many college dyevs in Odessa though, mostly girls with shit jobs or young girls with seemingly no "official" income but some really nice stuff...
Apparently Odessa is one of the biggest university centres in Ukraine outside Kiev and Kharkov. I was originally introduced to the place by a group of Indian students (nice lads) who were spending 5 years down there getting their medical degrees. They were certainly getting a very good 'all round' education ;)
Most young girls with no obvious occupation (other than being sponsored :)) are usually classified as 'students' anyway.
I've always found the winter scene in Odessa to be more fruitful. The town's not overrun with foreigners, and the girls are somewhat less jaded and spoilt by too much attention from fawning Westerners.
Then again, nothing, but nothing beats the eye candy on the streets in Summer..
Ok Farm Boy
03-03-08, 01:06
Someone pm me with some good numbers to some p4p I am bored : )
DoctorOral
03-03-08, 11:07
Captain Morgan
a nice place in Odessa - around ten girls that would maybe go with you with lots of effort - and they are 6's maximum
YoYo
went there at STUDENTS NIGHT. First I thought I'd turn around and go since I felt "too old" for this – then I went in, yes indeed, lots of students hanging out there, and lots of miniskirts, but hey, one guy (even if he is a student and shit ugly) per miniskirt told me that there is no quick scoring.
Palladium
Girls dancing around, but not really there to make contact, more to hang out….all of them regular student girls, all young, all max 6's....
The point is that yes you see some girls in lcubs, but I do meet many more sweet and interesting girls out in cafes and on the streets every day…. The club scene is really slow, clubs are more a place to go with friends than for the night of your life. Odessa is beautiful, but what makes it nice for hunting is summer where all Ukraine is going there to show and sell the goods.
I do find that all taxi drivers are pretty helpful in case you need anything – so there is places (saunas, clubs and banyas) around where you can have fun…
XClub is a nice place if it wouldn’t be for the half naked Ukraine studs who dance around naked and harass the girls there. The crazy menue they offer is really crazy since they offer telephone numbers from the girls for 100 grvs which are completely useless… but they do offer erotic massage and private rooms and all that, but on the pricy side.
I have a massage place with nice and clean service and great GFE and lots of cuddling even after you are done, and they really get into it and make you feel sweet – but they have a rule not to take the panties off which is the only drawback to it. PM me for details (tel only, no address) if you want.
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Hakan Demir
03-03-08, 12:28
Here are some numbers for you:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=496864&postcount=492
I met Susie,here is my report;
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=644376&postcount=860
Someone pm me with some good numbers to some p4p I am bored : )
DoctorOral
03-05-08, 09:03
I found them on the web:
http://www.sauna.odessa.ua/sauna.php?type=kan100
I had a girl called sonja in one of their clubs (they have 4). She is great, but she is in the kind of rundown ukraine massage salon. I would try the one shown in the pictures. It is one of the asian massage salons.
Have fun!
Joe Wynona
03-12-08, 17:01
Cab someone can tell if these numbers are still working?
http://www.internationalsexguide.in...4&postcount=492
Thanks
I have seen Inna's photos somewhere and for the life of me cannot remember where. Can you tell me what site you got these from, as I may be going quite soon to Odessa and would like to meet up with her.
Thanks
Let me breathe some life into this thread which appears as dead as Deribasovskaya at minus 10 degrees right now. A novice to this board I have travelled the motherland since the turn of the millennium and would have many tales to tell, if I dug deep in my memory.
More recently, I've followed the call of the 'clitoris' of Mother Russia, ending up in Odessa. To cut to the chase, I was given a warm welcome by the stunning 27-year old Inna aka Viktoria, who gave excellent GFE for two hours no holes barred. Unfortunately, I forgot to take pictures, but will attach some pics of hers that I found on a dating site. Just thinking of her, I might call her again tonight, though am more of a non-pro guy.
The last two days I sweetened my 'svobodni vremini' with the pleasures of Alyona 18 and Leda 18, two cute Nikolaev sisters, who needed some extra cash after New Year. They both said to have started sex only this year, and indeed I had to use all my 'neshnosti' to keep shagging them for three hours each. Pictures will follow.
And last, feeling like Pushkin must have felt during his Odessan exile, I'm pining for Moscow and my lapushka, who keeps sending me messages but whose parents don't allow her to visit me in Western Europe. You'll understand my pain once you look at the attached pics of Alina 18.
Realslimshady
04-04-08, 16:06
Hi everyone,
New member here. Thinking of taking a trip in the Summer to Odessa. Can someone let me know how much I should expect to spend for a 7-10 day trip there(excluding airfare)? Thanks for all the useful info currently on the board!
Realslimshady
04-04-08, 18:39
OK, outside of flight and accomodations, how much should I budget for daily expenditures when I am there? $200-400 per day?
Hi everyone,
New member here. Thinking of taking a trip in the Summer to Odessa. Can someone let me know how much I should expect to spend for a 7-10 day trip there(excluding airfare)? Thanks for all the useful info currently on the board!Well apartment is $100/night (or around there) and figure $100/day for food and drinks and maybe another $100 for "misc" (taxis, pay for beaches, clubs, etc.). If you want to P4P add that daily as well.
$300/day should be enough without P4P on a short trip. It all depends on what you do and how much of it you do.
Realslimshady
04-06-08, 15:57
Well apartment is $100/night (or around there) and figure $100/day for food and drinks and maybe another $100 for "misc" (taxis, pay for beaches, clubs, etc.). If you want to P4P add that daily as well.
$300/day should be enough without P4P on a short trip. It all depends on what you do and how much of it you do.Thanks for the info. Sounds reasonable.
I now need to free up my schedule for a summer trip there!
Reiner Otto
04-06-08, 23:31
Well apartment is $100/night (or around there) and figure $100/day for food and drinks and maybe another $100 for "misc" (taxis, pay for beaches, clubs, etc.). If you want to P4P add that daily as well.
$300/day should be enough without P4P on a short trip. It all depends on what you do and how much of it you do.
This is a bit exaggregated. Besides high season (July/August) you can also find a hotel room starting at 30$. And you still have some powder left to take a good one in case you have a "hit" ...
In case, you do not need to eat in "Steak House" every day, simple meals you can get for 5$. These cheap places are also good for pickup, because students eat there, too.
Entrance to the good clubs in Arcadia were 16$ last year.
Prices in high season are higher, but then you better go to Crimea.
Explorer69
04-06-08, 23:37
This is a bit exaggregated. Besides high season (July/August) you can also find a hotel room starting at 30$. And you still have some powder left to take a good one in case you have a "hit" ...
In case, you do not need to eat in "Steak House" every day, simple meals you can get for 5$. These cheap places are also good for pickup, because students eat there, too.
Entrance to the good clubs in Arcadia were 16$ last year.
Prices in high season are higher, but then you better go to Crimea.Usd30 for a hotel in Odessa? Stay away, I cannot imagine what you get for that price! ? Meals for USD 5? Maybe, but most people will not eat them. This is totally unrealistic. USD 300 a day on the other side is realistic and you will live well.
This is a bit exaggregated. Besides high season (July/August) you can also find a hotel room starting at 30$. And you still have some powder left to take a good one in case you have a "hit" ...
In case, you do not need to eat in "Steak House" every day, simple meals you can get for 5$. These cheap places are also good for pickup, because students eat there, too.
Entrance to the good clubs in Arcadia were 16$ last year.
Prices in high season are higher, but then you better go to Crimea.Of course its high and you can eat for $2 even but for short term first time traveler why not do it up and stay in a nice new (or new feeling) apartment behind mc donalds? I always like to plan to spend more then I do.
Reiner Otto
04-07-08, 18:22
Usd30 for a hotel in Odessa? Stay away, I cannot imagine what you get for that price! ? Meals for USD 5? Maybe, but most people will not eat them.
Check the hotel just 100m right of the corner of the beginning of Deribasovskaya (to the right, when looking down Deribesovskaya at the beginning), I think, its name is "Arcade". It is old, but there you can get different type of rooms. Last time, just for some hours of sleep after a long night in Arcadia, it was 18$, but with shared bathroom/toilette. In that hotel you also can get better rooms for higher prices, of course.
And just 100m besides the hotel, cheap self-service restaurant. Just at the next corner. Complete meal 5$. "But most people will not eat": No wonder, that the prices in Odessa explode, when many foreigners are so spoiled like you.
Last time I used a 2-room appartment in the centre, 50$.
Best is, just to go to this cheap hotel, and then check for an appartment yourself. Unless you are there in July/Agust, no problem. No need to book in advance on the internet then.
I spent one week of holidays to Odessa with my Andrea Italian wingman where I could check that the girls are actually even more beautiful than on the photographs, in the beginning I believed that these photographs were to attract the tourists but not it is many thousands of girls who ravel under our informed glances and even as I do not manage to distinguish the pros from the remainder what is however my speciality. With my arrival with the airport I am of entry under the charm of Masha d' Odessa executive continuations which is given the responsability to lead me to my apartment with the downtown area, and fortunately that it is not fair if not I would have fallen in love with it too sexy bus with her white dress and his string. Its office the 9A is located at Krasnyi Iane, 1. The girls that are on Deribarovskaya or the Arkadia beach are splendid and have like all Ukrainian certain class in the step. To start, I booked Alla to 50$ of the hour plus the taxi, good CBJ I filmed because it agreed when I asked him but video mad in POV damage it erased me to it was one of the best filmed fellatios, it does not embrace because it is married continues studies of psychology in 3rd year.
Rate: 5,5
Next in the same agency I choose Lera bus each time they to me send 4 or 5 girls so that I choose. The choice is made on the beautiful blond. Price 50$ of the hour + taxi To ask Irina the angency to be made deliver a girl. CBJ embraces but not with the language.
Rate: 7
For the pros the best address and the remarkable corner of Odessa are the legendary port on Polsky sp close to Tamozhennaya public garden where a score of girls are available starting from 10 p.m. to the price of 50 $ of the hour and especially 150 $ the night what is gravitational. Attention certain girls ask for 180 $ whereas the price announced by the mother brothel-keeper and to 150 $. It is enough to choose the girl and to pay it. I chose in first one of the binoculars of the port of Odessa blonde to very strong natural chest 19 years it names Christina and I initiated it with the anal pleasure for the first time, CBJ, DFK really very well one made love 5 times in the night and one did not sleep (in general the nights make 23h with 5h is 6 hours of sex not-stop for 150€ only thus better report/ratio price quality for Odessa) a flat the beauty of the girls is average I have the telephone number of the twin sister of Christina: number by PM
Rate: 8
Then I took Valentina a 24 year old Moldavian BBBJ + CIM + DFK always even principle and even price, I notice that the teeth of Ukrainian are not terrible in addition doped girls I saw girls being held the arm after having thus pricked mistrust even if I did not deal with doped. It has a child but can take his feet with the foreigners, attention being strongly excited it wanted to be impaled on me without condom.
Rate: 5 to finish the last evening one left to raise the meters, I take Yulia with DFK + CBJ 150$ + taxi and I concluded from it that all the girls of the port embrace with the language and are for certain GFE. Fair athletic physics with the blue eyes 26 years it makes swimming regularly. Rate: 7
Odessa: For the discotheques to take Itaka and Assol which are on Arkadia beach to put 20 ghrivnas for an outward journey with taxi not more. Possibility of bringing back a girl for the night or what it remains about it. I met with my housing a not-pro named Stella In Odessa conclusion is the city where I saw the most beautiful girls in the street but it is difficult to approach the not-pros. The port of Odessa is worth the sorrow the evening after 10 p.m. as well as Deribarovskaya (the mall where you will see the most beautiful girls). Personally I prefer Saint-Pétersbourg but the girls of Odessa are a treat for the eyes.
I stayed 2 nights in Odessa and felt compelled to dabble in the p2p environment there on the last night. With some help from you guys on the phone numbers - thanks for those by the way; I called Dina and arranged for a girl. She asked me which girl so I assume they have a website - but I have no idea - I said any will be fine but that I like thin women. She told me to text her the address of my apartment and one hour later she called to say come meet at McDondalds and that the girl was on the way.
We met at McDonalds and walked to my apartment, talked a little bit and about 20 miknutes later Lela showed up. WOW what a knockout gorgeous woman. I was told 1000 grv for her - $200 dollars. As I never negotiate and I also don't care about the price I paid it. I have to admit that 200 is too high but I honsetly didn't care, if I did I'd have negotiated.
Lela was the best gfe I'd ever had, ever. She blew my mind, lots of kissing and rubbing well before any penetration. Covered BJ and then she started to ride me. Sad to say that after the 30 minutes of kissing, rubbing and then her riding me with such a nice tight pussy, I only lasted a few minutes when she she rode me. But still, wow - after the experience I felt that she was well worth the 200 dollars. I'd certainly see her again but won't pay 200 again. Perhaps I'll try one of the other phone numbers and this is key - get a price before they get to the apartment.
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Sasha Byelov
04-30-08, 20:37
Hi Lazywaste,
Odessa is kind of tricky in these things. I am doing ODS for 9 years now, and believe or not, my start point for so many years was a gang of 3 chicks which are in my top 10 century score in CIS. You are right with what you say in terms of attitude. Simplt because this is a port city and so much mixed blood.
Unfortunately ony 1 is left (I missed the parachute to the previous by a few months).
Once you pay a price you can never go down, one of the oldest rules. Just extend the time my friend. If she likes you, she'll stay longer. Plus you'll recover and reboot the system.
Worst case, there is always reception, like I said im my Kaz. review yesterday. Yes, they take a commission, but do you think that the one girl who orgznied for you the other one didn't ? This is normal practice.
I arranged in Kiev the other day for 1 night for 1.000 bucks. And my intermediary took %%%. Shit, I didn't do so, but made it with the intermediary :)
Lenka Penka
05-06-08, 11:53
Hello there,
I am new to this forum although I am new to Ukraine also I have spent many years in Moscow (Work related) and the CIS, and am British. I also studied Russian at University and can speak Russian and even some Ukrainian Dialect (its very similar). I am totally familiar with Russia and I find Odessa kind of unusual in that its out of the way for most Westerners and yet many find their way here. In Chisinau for example you will see almost zero tourism and its only 4hrs way (+border check time).
However, in my week here, all I have seen is zillions of American (and a few European) middle aged men - who are identifiable from a mile away by their walk, gaze and totally fazed look as well as lack of dress sense :)
Odessa is frankly saturated with Sex Tourists from the West, and the ones I have met in the Irish Bar have told me that women from Odessa are stuck-up and give them dirty looks. It doesn't surprise me really. They can spot this type of monger a mile off. Most if not all know not even one word of Russian!! Its unbelievable.
I'm going deep deep inland (just come from Bucharest to Chisinau Moldova by overnight train and bus from Chisinau via Transdnestria to Odessa) before heading for the crimea.
Be warned - Odessa has more tourists than you will ever likely believe.
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Mariogilzer
05-06-08, 14:09
Can somebody pm me some numbers of reliable escort agencies in Odessa?
Lenka Penka
05-08-08, 10:42
Apartment is $60/night. Very central but basic without even a washing machine.
I know longer term would be much cheaper but as I am only here two days.
Checked out a Sauna - girls are 6-7 maximum, substandard and the inclusive (of sauna) price $100/hour. Thats crazy for such a city! Heck in Kiev I can get a first rate girl dostavka for that!
Otherwise the city is pretty dead. Girls remind me much more of a provincial Russian City than Odessa - no supermodel types roaming Sovietskaya here (or not today at least).
Speaking English is actually an advantage over speaking Russian here. When speaking Russian to the chicks I get miserable stares and responses - speaking English (my native language) gets a lot more smiles, even from those who don't understand much!
Sasha Byelov
05-09-08, 15:13
Lenka Penka is sort of right re. the amount and style of tourists in ODS. And they will get more and more.
Yes some of the girls are so snobbish that they should get a price for that.
But it's not that you can't find any (see previous report).
Go to Arkadya Sat. night in summer or to Yo, Palladium, etc. during winter and you should be able to find something.
Or ask reception, most of them can help. Some hotels charge you for a guest (Ayvazovsky), but most others don't.
You could also visit the X-Club strip bar and try to get a phone # during a lap dance and agree about next afternoon for a decent rate. Haven't tried there, but in many other places in CIS.
And yes, Nikolaev is grey Soviet style, I avoid staying there. Go on to Kherson however and the world is different again :)
Lenka Penka
05-11-08, 18:15
Monarch Club at top Soveitskaya has 1-2 girls available. Rate them about 7/10. They are near the bar inside.in a city of 0. 5m? People. It really shows you the (lack of) quality. I believe you can also ask the Doorman at the Hotel Interkontinental (opposite side of road as Monarch maybe owned by same people).
However quality is poor even amonst the normal girls the 8 or 9's are rare and locals have told me most have left for bigger cities and opportunities.
Locals say Western Remont Studio apartment with luxury cost about 600-700 max a month USD.
Some Westerners here although a lost less than Odessa. Most are over 50 though. None younger. I'm younger (30's) so its a bit easier for me in terms of relating to the girls, but still they are ICY! Hard stares. Little smiles. Arrogance if they are a 7+
Odessa and Nik are probably the worse cities I have seen for mongering or even freebies (been to maybe 15-20 ex-USSR cities in my time).
Mr Penka, I totally agree that ODS sucks in terms of attitude. The quality (of freebies in clubs) is also quite a lot lower than the Kiev clubs unless you wait till Summer when the place gets flooded. The attitude then will be unbearable.
NIK, on the other hand, I found to be a different story. Sovietskaya on a Summer week end evening is a cornucopia of approachable student types. Very friendly, very nice.
Two cities quite close together seem totally unrelated and disconnected.
Sorry ash. I have to agree with Lenka Penka. I am right now in Nikolaiev and can't wait to get out of here. This is basically a suburb of Odessa, most girls I talked to have been there, and I guess the miserable odessa attitude has rubbed off on them (they are very cold, will turn down your offers to know them and will give you fake phone numbers.
What they will gladly accept is to have dinner or expensive cocktails on your account! They will even bring along a friend or two
But at the end of the evening it will be: "thank you so much for the lovely evening but I am not a suka (prostitute) to go home with you".
And when you will call her again she will always tell you she is "very busy with exams, grandmother sick, she is in the village, at a birthday party" etc etc
Anf if you keep calling, she will finally tell you: "don't bother me, I have a boyfriend and you are too old for me"(even if you are in your 30's)
Please, guys, please. Where is a good city for freebies? If someone there, please don't be sellfish and share this info with us!
Nikolaev is certainly risky because if you aren't lucky on a Friday or Saturday night and don't generate any (decent) leads you are pretty much stuck for the rest of the week. The larger cities at least have stuff going on midweek so you won't get bored.
If a girl shows up for a date with a friend, laugh and suggest the friend finds a man of her own. DON'T buy dinner / drinks for both of them as they're just taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
Lenka Penka
05-14-08, 11:05
And when you will call her again she will always tell you she is "very busy with exams, grandmother sick, she is in the village, at a birthday party" etc etc
SO TRUE! Its the usual excuses after one date. I am not sure why they even agree one date! Perhaps they want to know if you will be of "any use to them" and if not they discard you like trash.
But even getting one date with a 7+ here is impossible. Forget p4p here because it sucks worse than ANY city or town I have been to anywhere. And I have been to some backward places before
In honesty. Nikolaev is worse than T'bilisi, Georgia. And when I say this please understand gentleman this means it is REAL BAD here.
As I said it is a city of mostly uglies. Any girl 8+ simply packs her bags and leaves (or is enticed away by a man). Leaving girls of around 4-7 roaming the streets.
Just don't bother coming here. I cannot wait to leave.
Yes we know..5 postings and all about Vera.
Explorer69
05-17-08, 15:03
A couple of years ago I was accused of being involved with OES because I recommended it too much. However, that was in the days when California Traveller and Anton was running the place. In my opinion it was at that time an outstanding agency for apartment rental.
The excellent service of those days, including phone numers to girls:)) are now far gone. Recently there have been frequent complaints, promises are not kept. The owner has also problems with the legal system in Ukraine for neglecting most legal issues of his business:)).
People doing business with the owner of OES has repeatedly been cheated. Maybe it is a reason to keep away - as there are better - and far more honest apartment agencies in Odessa?
I'll arrive Thursday and be there about 3 weeks. I may be meeting a girl otherwise I'll playing with some new girls. PM me if you're going to be there or if you can recommend me some good girls.
Sevastopol1
05-20-08, 07:43
Nikolaev is certainly risky because if you aren't lucky on a Friday or Saturday night and don't generate any (decent) leads you are pretty much stuck for the rest of the week. The larger cities at least have stuff going on midweek so you won't get bored.
If a girl shows up for a date with a friend, laugh and suggest the friend finds a man of her own. DON'T buy dinner / drinks for both of them as they're just taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).
Words of wisdom!
What they will gladly accept is to have dinner or expensive cocktails on your account! They will even bring along a friend or two
But at the end of the evening it will be: "thank you so much for the lovely evening but I am not a suka (prostitute) to go home with you".
And when you will call her again she will always tell you she is "very busy with exams, grandmother sick, she is in the village, at a birthday party" etc etc
Anf if you keep calling, she will finally tell you: "don't bother me, I have a boyfriend and you are too old for me"(even if you are in your 30's)
Please, guys, please. Where is a good city for freebies? If someone there, please don't be sellfish and share this info with us!
What do you expect? You come to their town with only one intent to play with the girls, and they play their part by screwing you out of your money. These girls can see right through you that you have no legitimate business in a small ugly rural Ukrainian town other than chasing young puss. Learn how to and enjoy to to play the game too. Like invite a girl and her girlfriends to a club X, do not show up, instead take another date to the same club X. Get them jealous, show them something they haven't seen before, show them you are a cool dude and let them chase you. Or maybe don't go on a date if you feel there is no chemistry. Or just stick to P4P, probably your best bet.
Hakan Demir
05-23-08, 14:38
Hi guys,
Next week I will be in Odessa for a short vacation and I need help about mamasan Dina. Is she still working and does she speak English?
Captain Fire
05-26-08, 17:15
Anyone know if there is anywhere in Nikolayev to buy sex toys. I am planning a 2 week trip starting next week. I want to take my GF there for looking then buying. I've found that by the time we get back to flat, they are dripping because they r already fantasizing
Hi guys,
Next week I will be in Odessa for a short vacation and I need help about mamasan Dina. Is she still working and does she speak English?
Yes and Yes. And do not pay her the $150 that some are reporting that she is asking. I talked with one of her girls yesterday and Dina only gave her $40. Now that may vary from girl to girl but there's no need to increase Dina's share.
What do you expect? You come to their town with only one intent to play with the girls, and they play their part by screwing you out of your money. These girls can see right through you that you have no legitimate business in a small ugly rural Ukrainian town other than chasing young puss. Learn how to and enjoy to to play the game too. Like invite a girl and her girlfriends to a club X, do not show up, instead take another date to the same club X. Get them jealous, show them something they haven't seen before, show them you are a cool dude and let them chase you. Or maybe don't go on a date if you feel there is no chemistry. Or just stick to P4P, probably your best bet.Hej, hej this approach is wrong. If a place is not good or becomes not good, you simply change the place. It is simple as that. There are no universal rules.
No success in Nikolayev after 3 days? You go to Kherson. Are you stuck there as well? You try Crimea, Sevastopol? Is there no success as well? You hit Symferopol. You have to move. You chase your luck.
Nikolaev is certainly risky because if you aren't lucky on a Friday or Saturday night and don't generate any (decent) leads you are pretty much stuck for the rest of the week. The larger cities at least have stuff going on midweek so you won't get bored.
If a girl shows up for a date with a friend, laugh and suggest the friend finds a man of her own. DON'T buy dinner / drinks for both of them as they're just taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140).Wrong again.Quite often ukrainian girls present their gfs because they want you to bang them as well.They usually have discussed the issue before and agreed to share you.It is a kind of generousness to their friends to meet a great foreigner as well.
There is indeed a percentage when it does not work and the one girl uses the other as an excuse for not making out with you.(I am ashamed to do that in front of my friend etc).You have to understand the dynamics,build rapport with both,hug and kiss them both etc.
I've been here for about a week now and here is my report. I chose to sample the girls on the street action lately, which is not my typical choice. So far I have seen 3 street girls and here are the details:
2 hours - 150 dollars + 100 grv. for roundtrip taxi + 100 grv. for hotel or your apartment
1 hour - 100 dollars + 100 grv. for taxi roundtrip + hotel or your apartment
The street girls are located at Odessa Harbor, here's how to get there:
From the steps - go to the bottom of the steps and hang a right. You will need to walk a good 15-20 minutes and you'll come to the Odessa harbor on your left. Hang a right around the corner and Monday thru Thursday you'll find 10-20 women. Friday night you'll find 20-40 women and a very big variety to boot.
I tried to find the harbor another way through other streets but was not so lucky - after 90 minutes of brisk walking and criss-crossing all over Odessa I finally spotted it out of the corner of my eye. Take the steps or a taxi to the harbor - it will save you the headache.
I saw some videos in youtube from an american guy who visited Odessa in February.You see in this videos all the common patterns of a great portion of ukrainian girls.
1.He goes to the disco where he has to pay for both gf and her friends
2.A friend of his gf is hitting on him
3.The girls do not mind what he says as long as he is with them
4.His gf does a lot of hot stuff etc.
In general this is the common situation you meet when going out with ukrainian girls.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKAKavA9RLQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ3TqyUkpJQ
Also notice the attitude of girls,how sexy they can seem and how they convey their sexuality.This is slavic spirit,slavic soul or whatever.The guy is coloured,has no idea,cannot even understand what they say and despite this he has success although he came for a short time.
Key to success.
1.He stays with his gf in apartment.He does not stay alone trying to date as many girls as possible
All the rest he does wrong.
Anyway this is the plan for a short time traveller.You go there,stay with a girl in apartment and then try to increase your chances.
The street girls are located at Odessa Harbor, here's how to get there:
From the steps - go to the bottom of the steps and hang a right. You will need to walk a good 15-20 minutes and you'll come to the Odessa harbor on your left. Hang a right around the corner and Monday thru Thursday you'll find 10-20 women. Friday night you'll find 20-40 women and a very big variety to boot.
I tried to find the harbor another way through other streets but was not so lucky - after 90 minutes of brisk walking and criss-crossing all over Odessa I finally spotted it out of the corner of my eye. Take the steps or a taxi to the harbor - it will save you the headache.I personally would suggest avoiding the street girls in Odessa. They are known to have STDs (be SURE to wear your condom) and I've heard of several incidents with scams and rip-offs where people pay and don't get anything in return.
That said, the easy way to get to the port (other than by taxi) is to simply walk down Tchaikovsky street (one block from Deribasovskaya - the street that runs past the Opera house). If you walk straight down that road toward the sea, at the bottom you will come to a staircase (NOT Potyomkin). Go down those stairs and hang a quick left to get to "hooker central." There is also a small bar just below the stairs and just before you turn left. That bar is LOADED with pros because its their "off-duty" hangout.
RulerK
Captain Fire
06-09-08, 22:27
Anybody in Nikolayev? I'm here until 19 June, have flat with GF just off Sovietskaya 1 block from MacD's Drop me a PM and maybe we can meet for a piva
Explorer69
06-09-08, 23:00
I personally would suggest avoiding the street girls in Odessa. They are known to have STDs (be SURE to wear your condom) and I've heard of several incidents with scams and rip-offs where people pay and don't get anything in return.
That said, the easy way to get to the port (other than by taxi) is to simply walk down Tchaikovsky street (one block from Deribasovskaya - the street that runs past the Opera house). If you walk straight down that road toward the sea, at the bottom you will come to a staircase (NOT Potyomkin). Go down those stairs and hang a quick left to get to "hooker central." There is also a small bar just below the stairs and just before you turn left. That bar is LOADED with pros because its their "off-duty" hangout.
RulerKI have been in Odessa many times as can be seen in the threads. Only twice did I go to the port. Out of curiosity. Both times I took not very good looking girls with very mechanical sex. However, there are stories about guys that have been lucky, but 90% confirm my version and experience. My advice: better stay home and masturbate!
I have been in Odessa many times as can be seen in the threads. Only twice did I go to the port. Out of curiosity. Both times I took not very good looking girls with very mechanical sex. However, there are stories about guys that have been lucky, but 90% confirm my version and experience. My advice: better stay home and masturbate!Given the vast selection of 25-40 women per night, I just have to ask:
#1. Why did you take home not very good looking women? I went 4 times to the port on my trip and there were always at least 5 that we smokin hot, why would you pay for an ugo or fatty when you can have better.
#2. Although the sex is more mechanical than with a girlfriend, what do you really expect? They don't care about anything other then separating you from your money and you get to squeeze into their sweet thighs. Do you actually expect them to give you a gfe? Out of the 4 women I had, 3 were great experiences and the 4th was average.
Rule to remember. Keep your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed. You get what you pay for.
And a side note about the steps near the opera house. That saves me 1 1/2 miles of walking. So that leaves 2 ways to look at it. I get there faster, but now my daily excercise is lowered.
Explorer69
06-11-08, 19:04
Given the vast selection of 25-40 women per night, I just have to ask:
#1. Why did you take home not very good looking women? I went 4 times to the port on my trip and there were always at least 5 that we smokin hot, why would you pay for an ugo or fatty when you can have better.
#2. Although the sex is more mechanical than with a girlfriend, what do you really expect? They don't care about anything other then separating you from your money and you get to squeeze into their sweet thighs. Do you actually expect them to give you a gfe? Out of the 4 women I had, 3 were great experiences and the 4th was average.
Rule to remember. Keep your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed. You get what you pay for.# I took the best one at that time.
# Street girls are not usually my thing, but sometimes you don't have any other available, or I am just curious: what can I find at the port? I had no special expectations, but if I think it is no good, I will not go there!
Maybe my "expectations and demands" are higher? Maybe I was unlucky, maybe you were lucky. Quality may depend on the season and the time of the night. I guess the best ones are taken first? What time in the evening did you get there?
Captain Fire
06-22-08, 19:53
Just got back from a great 2 weeks in Nikolayev. I had previously made contact with a lady there who arranged apartment where we lived. Apartment was great, full 1 bedroom modernised place 1/2 block off Sovetskaya across from McD's. Cost was $50/day.
I didn't chase P4P as I was quite content with my lady there but there is lots available. Best place I saw was on the lounge in front of the monarch starting about 2100h. Usually 4 or 5 all in the 7 to 10 range. I now know several expats living there, American, Dutch, Kiwi, German and everyone says that women are the best they have seen in Ukraine. Costs range from $100 up for evening, more for all night.
It would be worth time to try to arrange a lady or 2 before hand through a contact or even dating site. Most of these however are a bit shady. One thing that became abundantly clear quickly was the rate of sucess that guys were having working through some of these agencies. One guy from US was on 2 week trip, his itenerary read Kiev>Odessa>Kherson>Nikolayev>Kiev>Odessa then onto Riga and Talininn. Most of his travel in Ukraine was by train as well. His chief complaint " The girls I meet don't think I'm serious!"Needs a serious reality check. Several tourist types came here wanting to hook up with 4 or 5 girls a day figuring that they could score better this way. Just don't work, these ladies are beautiful, usually well educated and know the score. Most won't even consider P4P one nighter. For those of you looking for a lifestyle change, Nikolayev can be a true wonderland but you need to prepare a bit, learn some Russian, be prepared to treat ladies you meet with the same respect you would in US, France, England or Australia. Once you earn their respect you can have the time of your life. For those of you only here for a couple of days, Ukraine is drying up a bit this way, Ukraininan girlsare not nearly as desparate as a few years ago but if you got the cash you can find a decent one for a night. Anyone interested in some contacts for lifestyle in Nikolayev, just PM me.
Reiner Otto
06-22-08, 21:27
Best place I saw was on the lounge in front of the monarch starting about 2100h.
Just to make things clear: It is "Monarch", the cafe/bar/disco just at the corner besides McDonalds.
Realistic report, I, German, a frequent visitor to Nikolaev, spending about 1/3 of the year there, has to confirm.
But I prefere "Felicitas", opposite McDonalds:
Girls, passing by, can easier and simpler get in touch with foreigners, because "Felicitas" is cheaper, and easier just to sit down for a tea.
Will be again in Nikolaev starting 30-June. If anybody wants to share a beer, drop me a PM.
Hakan Demir
06-26-08, 13:38
Hi to all,
Sorry for the late report, but I was busy. Anyway I spent 3 nights in Odessa. Stayed in Hotel Black Sea near train station. A really nice and modern hotel in EE standards. It is located at the top of a shopping center. There is security at the entrance and if you tip the security guy (I gave 10$) he brings nice ladies to your room and in case you don't like the girl he brings another. Really good service
I have visited Arcadia 2 times. Place was awesome especially on Friday and Saturday. In Itaka I saw 3 old guys who are 65-70 (from States) partying with 8-9 girls who are aged 18-22. I really got jealous cause girls were 8, 10 in my scale.
Here is a photo from Itaka, for those who love it there.
Guys, I am in Odessa right now and just sent my GF back to Kiev. We were in Ibiza last night. It seemed that it will be a challenge to score a ONS in Odessa.
Can somebody share with me Dina's phone number?
... In Itaka I saw 3 old guys who are 65-70 (from States) partying with 8-9 girls who are aged 18-22. I really got jealous cause girls were 8, 10 in my scale ...
No need to be envious Hakan, those old guys will shell out a few hundred $$ each and never see those girls again.
Unless, of course, there are some shopping trips lined up :)
Doctor_Skank
07-05-08, 06:30
No need to be envious Hakan, those old guys will shell out a few hundred $$ each and never see those girls again.
Unless, of course, there are some shopping trips lined up :)Or more likely, they were bought and paid for before the night even began.
Tartan Boy
07-05-08, 08:39
Hi all..
I'm currently in Odessa & looking for any info that would help..
Was in Itakia/Arkadia last night..quality was amazing & lot's of young fantastic looking girls BUT i don't speak Russian & i'm wise to thier games (free cocktails & all that stuff) So can anyone give me info about the working girls? (not at The Port thanks)
I was here 2yrs ago & a few of the Taxi drivers a got to know would upon request take me to meet a few,i would pick one,then take them back to my Appartment for a few hours. Cost $100US plus price of the taxi & taxi fare back for the girl,but got no luck with this method last night!
Is thier maybe a English newspaper with adds in it? Like in Kiev.
Haken i read your report about about security guards at Hotel Black Sea, what was the cost of this service & how long did you have the girl for?
As I feel things have gone up in price since the last time i was here,going by the entry fee & price of drinks in Itakia last night,they have almost doubled in 2 yrs.
Any info would be great guys..
TB
AColonizer
07-12-08, 14:06
Can you give detailed information? Names, phone numbers, email addresses, services and prices.
Because you wrote a link that doesn't exist anymore.
Beauty & local girl: http://www.odesa.escort24h.com
AC, deeplover is a shill - a promoter of prostitutes.
Great City. Freebies everywhere dying to meet a foreigner
Just walk down thew streets with a friend speaking english or other foreign language and the girls, when they hear you, will give you signals). After that, invite them for a beer or two, and, before you know it, they are in your room with their legs wide open!
Happened to us many times last week in the beach or in the evening, walking up and down the city boulevards.
I LOVE ODESSA
I agree. Have been to Odessa a few times and about 25 times to Ukraine in general, but this is a bulllshit story.
Doctor_Skank
07-16-08, 07:09
Great City. Freebies everywhere dying to meet a foreigner
Just walk down thew streets with a friend speaking english or other foreign language and the girls, when they hear you, will give you signals). After that, invite them for a beer or two, and, before you know it, they are in your room with their legs wide open!
Happened to us many times last week in the beach or in the evening, walking up and down the city boulevards.
I LOVE ODESSAYou seem to have an agenda Nolies.. hyping up Odessa and slandering Moldova. Wonder why.
Will be back in ODS in August and can't wait... but at the same time anybody who has been there knows that despite many success stories and some of the world's sexiest women, overall Odessa is a pretty tough nut to crack... the women there are some of the most conniving and brutal playas I have ever met. Guys have to constantly have their scam radar on.
Yes,
Chisinau is not cheap, and decent girls are not so easy, you are right!
But. In my opinion is much much much better than Odessa
Odessa is more expensive (taxies, apartments, discos, restaurants), lots of traffic jam, in Arkadia discoes you can find people only in the weekend, and I didn't have the impression to see girls so available, at least to talk. (I say impression because I didn't try, I always was already with a girl)
About taking contact on the net, I lost lots of time, but at the end I suceed to collect just a couple of good contacts: few thing to consider Odessa as a good place to go, I already deleted it from my agenda.
Great City. Freebies everywhere dying to meet a foreigner
Just walk down thew streets with a friend speaking english or other foreign language and the girls, when they hear you, will give you signals). After that, invite them for a beer or two, and, before you know it, they are in your room with their legs wide open!
Happened to us many times last week in the beach or in the evening, walking up and down the city boulevards.
I LOVE ODESSA
Great City. Freebies everywhere dying to meet a foreigner
Just walk down thew streets with a friend speaking english or other foreign language and the girls, when they hear you, will give you signals). After that, invite them for a beer or two, and, before you know it, they are in your room with their legs wide open!
Happened to us many times last week in the beach or in the evening, walking up and down the city boulevards.
I LOVE ODESSAThe post is ironic.
Nolies is not even in Odessa.
He wrote this to mean the opposite.
Pennen Red
08-01-08, 23:30
Nolies,
You're talking 100% bull shit.
The last four letters of your name tell`s the story.
PR
Doctor_Skank
08-13-08, 09:36
Anybody in Odessa 22-24.08?
My long time GF is getting married to a local boy on that weekend, so I guess she'll be out of the picture.. at least for that weekend... :)
I'll be hitting clubs and otherwise making an ass out of myself. Anybody who cares to join, PM.
Doc, you of all people should know her getting married to a local really doesn't mean all that much. Maybe a pre marriage tap? ;)
Doctor_Skank
08-14-08, 22:38
Doc, you of all people should know her getting married to a local really doesn't mean all that much. Maybe a pre marriage tap? ;)We chatted on ICQ and she said she still has romantic feelings for me and got all flirty... so maybe I am getting laid after all? Got mixed feelings on it really, but know that when we are alone in my apartment the chances are pretty high it will happen. That's just the way it is.
Would be weird to screw the bride the day before she gets married.
Explorer69
08-15-08, 14:53
We chatted on ICQ and she said she still has romantic feelings for me and got all flirty... so maybe I am getting laid after all? Got mixed feelings on it really, but know that when we are alone in my apartment the chances are pretty high it will happen. That's just the way it is.
Would be weird to screw the bride the day before she gets married.I had once the "pleasure" to fuck a girl on her "bachelor party" 4 days before she got married - and she was not my bride! A bit weird yes, but tell us if you get the opportunity...:)!
LifeSavour
08-17-08, 06:58
I had once the "pleasure" to fuck a girl on her "bachelor party" 4 days before she got married - and she was not my bride! A bit weird yes, but tell us if you get the opportunity...:)!..... that has absolutely no idea of the word 'commitment' !!!
I have never seen so many do a complete 180 degrees just like the wind.
So?
I was driving by a church the other day and I noticed a wedding going on. Out of curiosity I parked my car very near.
Thats when the bride noticed me. She smiled and I smiled back. I then wrote my phone number in very BIG numbers in a large piece of paper that I then placed on my windshield.
Less than 20 minutes later I got a phone call from her telling me to drive by the back of the church.
When I did, here she was, magnificent in her white dress.
I drove around the block a few times, time enough for her to give me the best blowjob of my life! She then left my car to go back to the wedding celebration and french kiss her groom!
And then I woke up. LOL
Doctor_Skank
08-27-08, 22:19
A bit weird yes, but tell us if you get the opportunity...:)!In a word, yes. Wasn't really surprised, we know each other too long and too well and she seems kind of down on her future husband. He's lost passion and is too possessive. She's 26 now though, and I think she thinks it's her last shot.
Kind of feel bad for her, but oh well. She said we can keep seeing each other.
Marrying a Ukrainian girl... not sure I'd do it... or at least be VERY selective... :)
I was driving by a church the other day and I noticed a wedding going on. Out of curiosity I parked my car very near.
Thats when the bride noticed me. She smiled and I smiled back. I then wrote my phone number in very BIG numbers in a large piece of paper that I then placed on my windshield.
Less than 20 minutes later I got a phone call from her telling me to drive by the back of the church.
When I did, here she was, magnificent in her white dress.
I drove around the block a few times, time enough for her to give me the best blowjob of my life! She then left my car to go back to the wedding celebration and french kiss her groom!
And then I woke up. LOL
hahaha
Nice one! Great scenario for a porno movie! LOL
George Red
01-07-09, 21:45
Yes,
Chisinau is not cheap, and decent girls are not so easy, you are right!
But. In my opinion is much much much better than Odessa
Odessa is more expensive (taxies, apartments, discos, restaurants), lots of traffic jam, in Arkadia discoes you can find people only in the weekend, and I didn't have the impression to see girls so available, at least to talk. (I say impression because I didn't try, I always was already with a girl)
About taking contact on the net, I lost lots of time, but at the end I suceed to collect just a couple of good contacts: few thing to consider Odessa as a good place to go, I already deleted it from my agenda.My friend are you serious?
Kisinief is the most expensive meaningless place in region
Maybe you have been another place but kisinief
I don't like odesa but if you are love-turist like you is far better place odesa
Half prices more disponibile average beautifull girls
Check again[are you Moldovan maybe?
Just to make things clear: It is "Monarch", the cafe/bar/disco just at the corner besides McDonalds.
Realistic report, I, German, a frequent visitor to Nikolaev, spending about 1/3 of the year there, has to confirm.
But I prefere "Felicitas", opposite McDonalds:
Girls, passing by, can easier and simpler get in touch with foreigners, because "Felicitas" is cheaper, and easier just to sit down for a tea.
Will be again in Nikolaev starting 30-June. If anybody wants to share a beer, drop me a PM.
I agree with that: I came back 2 weeks before from my first trip to the Ukraine. Felicitas is as you described. I didn't have time to monger because I was only a few hours here.
And I hope to see you all in Odessa when I will be back in 6 weeks.
Whomer
Atlantico 70
03-05-09, 23:10
Hi guys,
So strange that the forum for this city is so silent
Is because of the crisis or because you are all day long busy with our hobby? By the way I was in odessa two days for work, stay at Mozart.
Nice hotel but no night life, just one girl stay in the lobby one evening, she was a giant lady 190cm, so not for me.
Without info about mongering places I had dinner at steak house that is nice and after a drink at irish pub in the central street near hotel frappolli.
On the street I was approached by aged ladies (around 50 yo) again not for me. Alone at pub, I was invited at table by two ladies that after 10 minutes chat start proposing solutions for the night. Kindly I refuse (aged around 40 yo) and after drink I left pub and entered turkish club opposite side of the street.
Again some aged ladies inside that quickly invite me at table, again rejected (I'm 38 yo). Club was not crowded being Monday, young locals and no stunning young girls like you can see during day time on the street.
Went sleep. Second day after work, in the evening again dinner at steak house (friendly english speaking staff). I was joined by another italian and we went for a drink again at irish pub.
After five minutes two decent looking girls invites us at table. They quickly discovered their second job. Their proposal was for a local sauna where was possible to stay togheter. We agreed for 100eu each girl, sauna cost 100 grivna. Off we went with taxi, 10 minutes from center.
Sauna was no special, low standard facilities, two separate bed rooms, very small water pool, two showers and off corse a small sauna that we didn't use.
We separate and I started my session with a 29 yo ukrainian girl.
Acceptable body but she was convinced of the opposite so didn't accept to switch on the light because afraid about some kilo extra and didn't remove her bra since she haad silicone addiction recently (this turn me off). She spontaneously gave me DFK, BBBJ and ball liking, after ask me to play with her pussy and enjoied it. We did sex in several position and was nice.
Since I need long time to finish, an hour passed, in the main time the other guy completed the session with other girl and they where ready to go.
So my girl said she want more sex and to remain more time, just was necessary to pay one hour more for the sauna without extra for her.
But the other girl, bastard, did everything to destroy our plan and force my girl to go back to pub. The other guy did not help me, he was tired and had to work the next day.
So unfortunately I had to follow this fucking decision to leave. I really was not happy about situation and I said "fuck you" to everybody. For this amount of money really I was especting much more.
I left Odessa with a bitter mouth. Such optifik girls during day time, but where they go during night time?
Sorry for this not shining report. I had only two nights and without basic informations.
Hope some body will post more infoes here, since next time my work call me here I want to discover some nice place and score with one of the fantastic girls that remain in my dream.
Keep the flag high
Ciao
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Street Sleuth
03-08-09, 06:42
As you noticed, there are oodles of hot girls in Odessa.
Unfortunately, if all you have is a couple days - and much of that time is spent working, tracking down young, hot working girls in Odessa is going to be elusive.
There are much fewer working girls in Odessa (much higher number found in Kiev). To the extent there are working girls in Odessa, they are mainly there in the summer (tourist season).
To boot, the scene in Odessa tends to be more discreet.
You can, however, try http://www.mamba.ru - ahead of your next trip. Its in Russian, but, with some time, and patience, you can line up some girls. Just to warn you, though, many of the photos are 'false advertising'.
I suppose I should just post this every 30 days or so to remind people, but I am currently living in Odessa and therefore available to hang out and go skirt chasing pretty much anytime.
I'm also in the process of setting up a travel/accommodation company here, so I have access to reasonably priced flats and lots of resources on things to do in town. PM me and we can exchange contact info.
RulerK
Man kidnapped in Ukraine released
A London waiter kidnapped in Ukraine has been released after his family paid a ransom of £10,800.
Eren Parker, 25, from Penge, south London, went missing while on holiday in southern city Odessa on 9 April.
His cousin, Erol Kesen, said Mr Parker was kidnapped by a gang who stunned him with a Taser gun and bundled him into a van after he had left a casino.
He returned home on Friday suffering from shock, cuts and bruises after his family paid a ransom, Mr Kesen said.
Believed 'rich'
He said Mr Parker was initially held in a garage then taken to a flat in the city.
The gang originally demanded $60,000 (£41,360) to release Mr Parker but agreed to hand him over in exchange for a smaller amount.
Mr Kesen said: "I was told the average wage in that country is $100 a month so I guess they thought he was rich because he was a Westerner and had been in the casino."
A Foreign Office spokeswoman said: "We were informed on 16 April that Mr Parker is safe and well."
Kevin Kline
05-13-09, 10:52
I have been reading the boards for a few months and want to give back a little information that I gained from my last trip to Odessa.
I stayed in a 1 bedroom apartment on Ekaterininskaya which was in a good location. $80 per night for 2 weeks. They also asked for a $100 security deposit, which was returned on check out.
I am not the professional monger that most people on this site seem to be, so most of my contacts were from the internet. I had 7 numbers and dates all set up before arriving in Odessa. 4 out of the 7 failed to show for our first meeting.
The 3 that I did meet were semi-pro’s looking for a sponsor or just some extra cash to add to their meager salaries. Photos are in the Photo section, and contact info is available by PM.
Diana-30 something mother of a young son. Good sex, excellent BBBJ with CIF. Biggest drawback is she looks like she has had a hard life. Nice woman though, and excellent, enthusiastic sex.
Sveta-19 y/o store clerk looking for long term sponsor i.e. not me!! Anyways, decent sex, smoking young body with the nicest rack I have seen in quite awhile. Gaping big **** and lots of roids, so I am assuming she is up for some partying.
Tanea-21 y/o University girl also looking for a sponsor, although quite clear about wanting to one day find some Ukrainian money to marry into. Juicy stuff-good sex, excellent BBBJ. A little timid about trying more than a 2 or 3 positions.
This was my first, but not my last trip to Odessa. I enjoyed the hustle and bustle on Deribasovskaya, and like has been said here 100 times, the eye candy is just unbelievable.
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Kevin Kline
05-14-09, 05:15
Even though I only met with 3 out of the 7 pre-arranged ladies from Odessa, I did also meet some friends of Diana. This turned out to be very informative of the situation in Odessa. Even though most of what I learned has already been posted by more experienced mongers, I will verify what I can with the information I gathered.
Most of the working girls are veterans of the Turkish/Cyprus or Dubai scene. Quite a few that I talked to had actually worked in Turkey and were trying to get to Dubai.
Virtually all of them had at least 1 foreign boyfriend-sponsor, mostly Turkish. Most also spent some time working in the big marriage agencies sending emails to members.
I ended up spending about the last 5 days with one of Diana's good friends. Lets call her Nastya. English is non-existant, but she loves to drink and dance untill the sun comes up. It also takes some time to get her warmed up enough to lose some of her inhibitions. I enjoyed my time with her, she seemed sincere about only having one sponsor at a time, but who knows with these girls.
Photos in photo section.
I heard of many pros coming to Odessa from Romania and Bulgaria.
They come to Odessa by those hydrofoil boats from Varna and Constanca
and on weekends. It looks p4p with them is much cheaper then their ukrainian counterparts. There are even reports of ukrinian pros beating those Romanians and Bulgarians to get the off their territory.
Anybody heard anything specific or experiance?
Interesting. Rumanian and bulgarian Pros coming to ukraine for p4p activity. Even though they are in the EU and Ukraine is not!
That shows that prices for *****s have become cheaper in the EU than in Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova and Russia.
Yes it seems pros from Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, etc cost more in their own countries than abroad. I asked a pro from Kiev I know why she's not somewhere abroad. She told me he can earn more money in Kiev than abroad and have less costs in Kiev since she has apartment, car, lower living costs, etc. Plus is easier to find those oligarhs in Kiev probably.
Many bulgarian pros seems to like Odessa since bulagarian PM Sergei Stanishev was raised around Odessa he he.
AColonizer
05-16-09, 13:04
Ooohh yes! This is my experience too! In fact last year I wondered the same question, nobody replied (as usual) but the logic helps me: a prostitute earns more in Kiev than in Italy and she works much much much less in Kiev than in Italy (in Moscow a prostitute earns money virtually with no work! ).
But, then, why do Ukrainians want to come to Italy? That's stupid to go where the wage is the same but the cost of living is double! Here is the second reply: the high standard of life style in the North Italy compensate the missing earning and to marry an Italian man is like to get a life insurance.
Yes it seems pros from Ukraine, Russia, Moldova, etc cost more in their own countries than abroad. I asked a pro from Kiev I know why she's not somewhere abroad. She told me he can earn more money in Kiev than abroad and have less costs in Kiev since she has apartment, car, lower living costs, etc. Plus is easier to find those oligarhs in Kiev probably.
Many bulgarian pros seems to like Odessa since bulagarian PM Sergei Stanishev was raised around Odessa he he.
SirMarjAlot
05-24-09, 17:28
I have been reading the boards for a few months and want to give back a little information that I gained from my last trip to Odessa.
I stayed in a 1 bedroom apartment on Ekaterininskaya which was in a good location. $80 per night for 2 weeks. They also asked for a $100 security deposit, which was returned on check out.
I am not the professional monger that most people on this site seem to be, so most of my contacts were from the internet. I had 7 numbers and dates all set up before arriving in Odessa. 4 out of the 7 failed to show for our first meeting.
The 3 that I did meet were semi-pro’s looking for a sponsor or just some extra cash to add to their meager salaries. Photos are in the Photo section, and contact info is available by PM.
Diana-30 something mother of a young son. Good sex, excellent BBBJ with CIF. Biggest drawback is she looks like she has had a hard life. Nice woman though, and excellent, enthusiastic sex.
Sveta-19 y/o store clerk looking for long term sponsor i.e. not me!! Anyways, decent sex, smoking young body with the nicest rack I have seen in quite awhile. Gaping big **** and lots of roids, so I am assuming she is up for some partying.
Tanea-21 y/o University girl also looking for a sponsor, although quite clear about wanting to one day find some Ukrainian money to marry into. Juicy stuff-good sex, excellent BBBJ. A little timid about trying more than a 2 or 3 positions.
This was my first, but not my last trip to Odessa. I enjoyed the hustle and bustle on Deribasovskaya, and like has been said here 100 times, the eye candy is just unbelievable.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.I'm going to be there in August for 4 or 5 nights. I'm seriously considering setting up a few dates. Could you please share the agency you used to meet these girls?
Or if anyone else has some good links to agencies for meeting up with girls while staying in Odessa would be greatly appreciated.
Hoermi1986
05-30-09, 18:15
Hey Guys,
I found this board in this morning and read something about the ukraine, because I and two friends of me want a trip to Odessa in this sommer. We don't want a pay-sextrip. We find Odessa is a good place for making Party specialy in Acardia. Is it easy for west europans to date normal girls when they know that we are from germany? We are (age) between 22 and 25. Has everyone experience? And were are the best partys in this city? In Arcadia all is luxury, but most ukrainian girls are poor, where goes the normal (or for us poor people) to have a party? Can everybody say me a good an cheap hotel in odessa, the prices in Arcadia are like in germany. But for us it is a little bit to expensive (100 euro per night). I have read that only on weekend there are many partys. We want to stay for a week. But what would you say should we do in the week.
Sorry for my bad english and articulation.
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