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Masta
10-12-02, 04:40
FYI to all who wish to travel to Ukraine who are Americans looking to meet Ukrainian women or go *****mongering!

Effective July 1, 2002 the Ukrainian Government introduced visa free travel for stays of up to eight days for American citizens arriving at the international airports of Simferopol and Odessa and at the international port of Odessa. Travel must originate abroad and end at these ports of entry without any other initial stop in Ukraine. Travelers must also depart Ukraine from the same port used at the time of arrival.


Straight from the US State Departments website. Check it out for yourself!

Joe1963
01-21-03, 00:28
Was planning a long weekend to Odessa in June, can anyone tell me whats the scene there, good Hotels etc, esp Hotels with working girls. Joe

Local Expert
04-17-03, 08:52
Hi guys,

I am planning a 7 days trip to the Ukraine in August with a couple of friends for the sole reason of mongering. Since none of us has ever been to the Ukraine, here are some questions:

1) We will either go to Odessa or Simferopol. Which is the better place to go to ?

2) Is renting an apartment in either of these places a good idea. There are adds on the internet saying it is just 40 bucks per day. Are these adds serious and are these kind of apartments clean ?

3) Is it true that the local amateurs are very keen on Western Europeans and therefore very easy to get to bed ?

4) Which are the most famous places for hoockers in the above mentioned places ?

5) How about normal bars/discos with amateurs ? Are there (m)any ?

6) What are the "rules" in these places ? Do you approach a girl yourself or wait until you get a signal from her, resp. do they approach you ?

Thanks a lot in advance

Dogz
05-03-03, 16:13
As no-one else has written anything - I'll give some info albeit dated.

I went to Odessa about 5 years ago. There was a wonderful outdoor disco in the Summer you can't miss it, it's on the seafront. A place for scoring chicks.

In the hotels there were always hookers floating around. Some were surprising expensive ($100 a night) for this economic backwater.

Anyway, you are better off going down near the port. I can't remember the directions. But near the port there was a little street which was quite steep. There were a number of night clubs and bars on this street. In one place I remember there were about 15 girls dancing on the dance floor and hardly any guys. To cut to chase I went back to one of the hookers houses - I paid $20 or $30 and stayed the night!

I just remember her toilet was in the same room as her kitchen. Yuk!

Getopardo
07-23-03, 16:10
Isn't it strange that so few Western guys go to Odessa, which, if I read "russian-wife" pages on the internet ("love-me" tours, etc) , is certainly a beautiful and pleasant place ?

Any idea, somebody ?

MichaelGage
07-28-03, 14:00
reporting from odessa, but with much to tell about other cities, such as kharkov, donetsk, and mariupol. i hope it's okay, but i'll keep it all here under the odessa forum area...

first, i've had a great time... maybe even the best of my life. but second, without some russian language you will never see what i've seen. period, over and out. there is no organization for foreigners like you will find in moscow, and what little you will find in the hotels is over priced and worthless. in kharkov, i spent the first night in a hotel before i could find a flat. they sent 4 girls to my room and only one was even close to a 7 or 8. they said she was 150, and i thought grivna. they acted surprised and said, "dollars of course!" i laughed them out of my room. the next morning the bell man was not real happy with me, but i told him my opinion of his game and he slunk off.

then i found a great flat, $40 a night in the very center. just walking the streets, in three days, i scored more girls than could fill night flight in moscow. it was so easy i was blown away. i just smiled and said hello to two model types pushing a baby carriage.. god's honest truth.. and they joined me that night for a few drinks and a threesome. longest legs i've seen in a long time, too.

so many girls coming to attend university, and all of them needing money. the beauty is off the richter scale. just be careful, because there are so many young girls you might make a mistake and pick one ****, and of course you wouldn't want to do that. i would stay away from the cheaper bars and nightclubs because they are filled with girls from 12 years old and up, getting smashed on cheap beer.

there are no services worth calling unless you want to pay premium, and in that case moscow is better. but if you can speak russian at least conversational, and you are willing to buy a girl a drink and be polite, the sky is the limit.

i found two girls i liked, treated them good to a meal and some drinks, and recruited them to help me find other pleasures. they took to it like a game, and we had a lot of fun.

they took me to an "elite" strip club - 10$ door charge, where we entered and found ourselves to be the only guests. the room was pretty small, only 12 chairs to sit in and the pole in the center of the room. we spent 3 hours watching 5 girls dance, lap dance, and talk with us for the $10 entry fee. the girls are not allowed to go home with customers, but i slipped my phone number in the panties of an 18 year old and she called the next morning.

she was a 9.7 and i never give any girl a perfect 10. this girl had a body, and if evolution is true she descended from rabbits. she wore me out and then some, bare back, cim, anal, and even drank some [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103) which really blew my mind. all in all, most of the girls live with a slave mentality. they live to please.

mariupol was more of the same with even less organization. just walking the streets, visiting the few clubs is all it takes. speak english out loud, spend a little money, and you will make eye contact and go after it.

odessa, a beautiful city, is filled with beauty -- perhaps more beautiful girls here than kharkov, but more money floating around too. i'm worn out, but so glad i learned russian....

Hedonist
07-29-03, 16:44
Michael Gage:

I am just curious about a few things. When you meet these girls do you tell them honestly that you are in town only for a few days? And how do you dress when you walk the streets? We need to dress up a little bit to attract the ladies, but as a side effect we might attract trouble. Please keep going with your breathtaking coverage of Ukraine. Best of luck!

Pacific Creek
08-06-03, 01:00
Michael Gage,

I will be going to Kharkov in February and will be staying at the Hotel Kharkov. Can you provide a list of places where not to go and where to go? Also, any info on actual costs would be greatly appreciated as well.

Michael

Rendorseg
08-11-03, 21:24
Hi Michael Gage - I'll be Odessa the 1st wk of Sept.
Did you get any phone numbes for girls in Odessa? If so I'd love to have them. IN Odessa were there problems with bringing girls into hotels and is that why you got a flat? Any links?

Guys - from what I can tell there is nothing in Odessa like this Kiev site of independents...
http://www.mdosug.ru/moscow.php

I could fly one out but it's better of course to see them, uh, in the flesh first... I guess I'll just have to be adventurous like MG.

Rendorseg

MoneyTree
08-14-03, 10:15
Hi, I will be making a big tour around Eastern Europe, also planning to stay in Kiev, Odessa and any other town that might be worth a visit. I am looking to get in touch with some locals who can also speak English or German, who have good communicative skills trying to make some money or find a new well paid job. Please get in touch with me or perhaps you can give me a referal of someone trustworthy who might be able to help me out in some of those towns finding some young girls, uni students, semi pros etc,
puxilove@hotmail.com

Eros123
09-20-03, 11:02
Was in Odessa for a few days this week.

No street action to speak of. One or two girls walknig around the centre for a long time, but when I approached them and asked if they spoke English, they replied "Yes, we do" ... and walked quickly off!!

On steps down to port, as previously reported, also found no action.

Ask taxi drivers hanging around the centre (by McDonald's) for a girl. They will make a telephone call, and in five minutes a car arrives with two or three girls to choose from. Aged around 22-28, 5-7. Asked for US$60 for two hours .. will settle for $50.

Nothing special, bad attitude, all smoke cigarettes, too much make-up.

Better, to visit the discos (in Summer go to "Arcadia", the strip of beach about 8Kms from the centre, Hrv15 by taxi), where there are a lot of open-air discos, with some nice girls in them.

Or, during the daytime, just smile and start talking to some of the girls walknig around the center .... you'll eventually be lucky, and it will not cost you anything apart from maybe a few drinks and a pizza!

Monger101
12-07-03, 05:18
Will be in Odessa this week - Wed - Sat.

Any action on street ? I was here in 1999 - plentiful!

Any friends / recommendations on who to see or NOT !

Thanks!

Monger101
12-08-03, 22:27
When I was in Odessa in 1999 there was a corner where 30+ girls worked "under supervision" and it was like Take Out! Great!

I can't remember the location?

ANY HELP ON THIS BOARD?

EDITOR's NOTE: Posting of this report was delayed pending revisions for capitalization and punctuation. To avoid future delays, please refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. Thanks!

Bez Bezarra
12-10-03, 02:58
I stayed in a nice flat close to the center, but I sure didn't see any "take out" corners. There was another American guy who had been there for a week, he told me the only sure thing he had found was the big hotel by the seaport. He went up to the top floor where the bar was, and said there were about 8 girls. All pros, 5's and 6's, and expensive. I think since he was American the girl took him for $200 for the night. He said she was about 25, very mechanical. That's more than Kiev! Ridiculous!
I'll be back there in the spring.

I think if you just get in a taxi, the driver would know where your take out spot has moved to, or he could call a service. Just don't budge over $35, which is the normal local price, plus you could give the taxi guy some hrivna for making the calls. Maybe give him 30 or 40 hr.

If you find that place again where they are hanging around, please share!

Bez Bezarra
12-11-03, 00:15
Hey Client Corp! Oops!

Now that I read Eros 9/20 report, I do remember a local guy I was talking to, who told me there is a place, by the docks or the port or something like that. Its where visiting ships work crews arrive, there are bars around there also. The place has a definite name also, but I forgot it, but its the kind of word that would get you instant recognition from your taxi driver if you said "take me to #@*!" The story I was told is that they are lined up outside, so you can go with your taxi, and have the taxi wait while you go pick one to take home.

As a normal local guy, in other words poor, he said that sometimes for a laugh he will go there and walk up to a ***** and ask to squeeze their tits and ass, or as he would say, you ask them if you can check to see if they are good quality, like a piece of fruit or meat at the market. Speaking russian gets him this cheap thrill, since he can't afford to fuck them, but they do let him have a squeeze! He said he also asks them if they have the small pussy, and uses the hand signal for this, which is the first finger pressed against the thumb.

He told me most of the *****s that you will find there have have a lot of mileage, or you could call them seasoned pros, but maybe sometimes a new one will show up that's nicer. I asked an escort about the girls there, and she was quick to say that the seaport *****s will give you a disease with your service, no extra charge.

Anyway, I forgot about it because I only heard about it, I didn't actually go check it myself. I just ran out of time before I got the chance to go and see. I used my time going after my own preference of amateur college types, or 'friends of a friend' type contacts. But please report if you go!

Blake7
01-09-04, 12:18
Can anyone recommend a good "pickup bar" in Odessa? I will be there at the end of January.

William3
01-13-04, 00:24
Odessa

Hi folks,

You will have a rather difficult time in Odessa. Nobody speaks any of the western languages and, more important, you can not read where you are because the Russian language, that is the language they speak in Odessa, has the cyrilic signs.

The best you can do is find a cabdrives who speaks english.

I can help myself quite well because I speak and can read this language.

In the winter you can find girls at the "Odessa Port". At this pick place you can find tenth of (not very well looking) girls. There are near this some "Odessa Port" some small beerhouses where the girls stay when it is cold.

But again: very complicated if you do not understand the Russian language.

Bez Bezarra
01-15-04, 01:34
Have to disagree with William.

I spoke with a few other Americans in Odessa when I was there in September, they couldn't speak any Russian at all, and they didn't seem to have too much trouble picking up regular girls in the bars/clubs/discos. Maybe they were bragging/lying about their success rate, I never checked. They just hit the spots around the main street, Deribovskaya, at the center. One guy said he got lucky every night, others not so successful.

I was way too lazy and also a little ill to go out chasing, preferring to order in room service and pursue their girlfriends. This method is hit and miss, and gets very frustrating, but it can also produce great results with a little luck.

For example, this is Natasha.

Bez Bezarra
01-15-04, 01:36
Another shot of Natasha.

Blake7
01-26-04, 21:18
Arrived in Odessa on Sunday night from Budapest and checked into the Londonskaya. Went out and visited a few bars and cafes but, being a Sunday, it was all quiet with just a few couples in the corners. I headed back to the hotel at about 11 and thought I might check out the hotel bar.

There were 3 of them sitting at the bar - the only customers - and all of them were acceptable. One hot blande with a body at least worth 8 but with a face only a 6. She also had dreadful bright red lipstick and one of those garish red lace shirts. There was also another blonde with curly hair also an easy 7 and the third was a young pretty girl who was a little plump for my taste. As soon as I walked in and sat at the bar the first blonde came over and sat down. Not bad English. She cut to the chase and offered her services for $150. Quite a reasonable opening bid considering it was a hotel bar. I got her down to $80 and we went straight up to the room. There was no problems with security as she told me that she had to pay 50% to the hotel.

A good night as she was keen to please - rebutted my entreaties to let me shag her up the arse though.

All in all a good option for us lazy boys out there. However the bar is dead as you like normally and would not recommend it unless you are there solely to pick up one of the girls.

Monger101
01-27-04, 03:08
Sorry for the delay in posts.

Odessa is very slow this time of year - and the ONLY place I could find girls was the Port of Odessa. It is tough to get around without speaking Russian.

To find Port of Odessa - if you are staying at Hotel Odessa or Londonskya:

If you are facing the Hotel Odessa - head right along the waterway and walk 1/4 mile. In front of the security gates to Port of Odessa - you can't miss the girls standing outside. I'd say 20 + girls looking for new friends.

Beware very petite dark hair girl named "Sveta", took money and ran. Other girls very nice, work with their boss. I know it sounds strange, but the boss controls the situation. You should pay $40 for 2 hours of companionship or $50 for 3. You will pay $5 for taxi there, $5 back. And pay $15 for room. I wouldn't bring to your hotel!

I have a name for a driver who took me to moldovia and a couple emails of girls who can arrange fun for you. These girls simply are out there working and will flat out find you exactly what you are looking for. Remind them of internet and posts. Tell them you will give their service high marks if they come thru!

mariya44@ukr.net
dina55@ukr.net

both funny nice girls.

Rendorseg
03-22-04, 18:35
I'll be in Odessa and Nikolaev areas late April/early May.
If anyone will be around perhaps we can hook up.
Might stop by in Kiev also but I'll be really forcusing more on the south.

Explorer8939
04-14-04, 17:02
Last year, Masta said:

"FYI to all who wish to travel to Ukraine who are Americans looking to meet Ukrainian women or go *****mongering!

Effective July 1, 2002 the Ukrainian Government introduced visa free travel for stays of up to eight days for American citizens arriving at the international airports of Simferopol and Odessa and at the international port of Odessa. Travel must originate abroad and end at these ports of entry without any other initial stop in Ukraine. Travelers must also depart Ukraine from the same port used at the time of arrival.


Straight from the US State Departments website. Check it out for yourself!"

I could not find anything about this at the US DOS web site.

Masta
04-14-04, 18:34
Go to www.yahoo.com and search using this criteria:

odessa state department port of entry visa



The first link will be to the DOS travel warnings site. On yahoo, click the "cached" version of the page. You can see the exerpt that I pasted last year. The current DOS page for Ukraine has since been updated. I'm not sure how long that lasted; obviously not more than a year was that rule in effect.

Explorer8939
04-15-04, 17:52
Masta:

Before we all go through that search, are you saying that this exemption for Americans visiting Crimea is no longer effective?

Masta
04-16-04, 00:15
I do not see the language that I pasted last year on the DOS travel advisory Ukraine page. I am assuming it is not in effect anymore, however, I would consult with the Ukrainian embassy to see if that rule is still in effect and why it was stopped.

Nauskas
05-08-04, 09:17
Masta-

This item was updated in February.
http://travel.state.gov/ukraine.html

With increased emphasis on monitoring foreigners to control nuclear non-proliferation and terrorism. There are certain pressures to increase VISA requirements.

Conversly, EU open borders and simply the desire for increased toursim push the balance towards open borders. Russian plans to a VISA free progrm for EU in 2007. Many can change between now and then of course.

Keep us informed if you find anything new.

Opus Dog
05-19-04, 09:56
Can anyone tell me what the recreational drug scene is like in Kiev? What kind of penalties for having a couple doobies on you, etc? I'm not interested in the how - just is the Ukraine a somewhat tolerant country, or do they totally crack down on minor stuff like weed?

Rendorseg
05-21-04, 03:37
Drugs in Ukraine? You must be off yer rocker mate! Whereas for natives well they know the lay of the land, if the militzia gets hold of you, well they'll greatly enjoy treating you like the bullfighter and picador treats the bull....

Doctor_Skank
06-25-04, 08:32
Odessa:

I more or less crash-landed into Odessa, still coming down from a 2 day blitztkrieg through Kievian nightlife which saw me disappointed with Modabar (it was a Tuesday night), amused by River Palace (where a made a big impression and tried unsuccessfully to get myself thrown out), joyriding with a crackhead cab driver who unsuccessfully tried to sell me some $30 street hos and generally impressed by the quality of girls throughout the city.

I even left a piece of my heart in Kiev there… not untypical for me when visiting cities for the first few times. I think this piece of heart is on the corner of Khreshatyk and Mikhailivska and probably getting trod on as I type… but it was justa little piece, so I don’t worry. But if you do find it, send me a PM.

Odessa would more or less finish off whatever senses (and sense) I had left off… especially the fantastic beach disco scene left a huge impression.

Odessa isn’t the most beautiful city I have ever seen. Most buildings are in shabby condition, although the architectural foundation was obviously once quite opulent. Renovation is being carried out, but not at the pace you see in Moscow or Kiev. In fact, much of the city seems to have a 40 year old coat of dust on it… the streets are a disaster, wild dogs roam the streets and pedestrian areas and in the pedestrian areas people mill around trying to sell you everything, including girls at night. On a positive note upfront, the militia (police) in the Ukraine isn’t nearly as annoying as the police in Russia, who are omnipresent.

But what Odessa does offer are lots of gorgeous women, which is the reason we go there anyway. This year’s fashion? Fake D&G lowrise jeans barely exposing thong strings, too-tight t-shirts stretched across perky breasts and exposing tanned firm bellies. Legs are long. Faces are beautiful in that oddly slavic way, with a slight caucasian touch among many of the girls. Girls are very approachable but not necessarily easy. They are used to tourists and are equally used to letting guys pay for their drinks. A fun game that they are quite adept at an early age, even more so that Russian girls in my opinion, albeit just a first impression. The girls have a lot less money than Moscow girls by comparison, meaning your money may impress but also meaning that many girls are really only interested in your money. Knowing this makes playing the game easier and more fun. Twice I had to be satisfied with just a marathon makeout session and no tang before the girls headed home to mommy and daddy. This turned out to be for the better though, as I actually enjoyed being able to go for 2 or 3 girls on the same day…even after having dropped the first victim off in the taxi with their girlfriend (where was my wingman damnit!) I hadn’t even stopped to watch the taxi disappear in the distance before setting my sights on new prey.

In Moscow it seemed much easier for the girls to go home to your flat than in Kiev or Odessa, particularly during the week, where nearly all Ukrainian girls seem to have to leave around midnight. As discussed before by other posters, this has the advanatage that she doesn’t block your whole evening. But you should definitely make youre move early during the week and get her back to your pad at around 10-11pm latest for some poking.

Anyhow, here is some info you may find useful…

Doctor_Skank
06-25-04, 08:36
“Odessa pro scene”:

The port:
It doesn’t it take much of an effort to find both ends of the scale in Odessa’s pro scene… at least the portions that “exposed” themselves to me.

The low end…as reported earlier there are pros down by the port (Mor Voksal) and if you walk down there after about 10 or 11 at night you will find them. Somewhere around the corner of Pushkinskaya ulitsa and Primorsky Bulvar. Just wander around and they will find you actually. It is a tochka-like atmosphere, with a single mamachka governing anywhere from 10-30 pros at a single time. Some of them even looked decent, until they opened their mouths. Serious dental problems in the Ukraine. Check the teeth. Average quality was 4-6 tops. I doubt you’d find any gems here, but at a going price of $30 for 2-3 hours, what do you expect. Budget punters rejoice!

Newspapers:
I bought a paper called the “Makler” which has some adds in the “Znakomstva” or contacts section. Lots of salons and dial-a-pros. I didn’t try this, so I can’t say what the quality of pro is like. For someone with more time, this might be a very good option.

Mik O’Neills Irish Pub (www.odessapassage.com):
It is on Deribasovskaya, the main drag, and everybody knows it as the Irish Pub. After about 9-10 pm most girls in there are pros and range in quality from 5-8. If you see 2 or 3 girls sitting together at a table go talk to them. They won’t approach customers themselves. Some of them were very tempting. Prices were steep by Ukrainian standards though, I was quoted $100 for 60-90 minutes. I am sure negotiation is possible, but the girls didn’t seem desperate to negotiate. I wasn’t either, I wanted to go the clubs. Nonetheless, since I was in the pub everyday to meet friends before going out, I did manage to speak to all of them. There were two sisters that were particularly appealing. I actually had met them on the plane from Kiev to Odessa and after recognizing them in the pub I spoke to them and after some initial denial (they recognized me from the plane) they said they come every year to work the tourist season, which begins about June 15 and last until mid-September. Prices in general are high in Odessa and the girls earn quite well off of expats and Russians alike. They weren’t true freelancers though… the same 4 or 5 shady-looking pimps were also hanging around every night as the girls came and went. If you do go to Mik’s Irish Pub, look for the platinum blonde with the uppity tits or her brunette sister in the low-rise jeans. Both are decked out in expensive clothes (D&G…and it looked like the real stuff and not the fake stuff every other dyev in Odessa is wearing) and toting expensive phones. On the plane, I had assumed that they were Odessa’s golden youth. But they were just hos. Cute and friendly ones though…

Arkadia:
This is a multi-discoed beachfront resort and freebie paradise. More on that later. But there are also pros working the discos. In particular you will find attractive pros in the clubs “Ibiza” and “Itaka”. Opening prices are set around $100-150 for 2-3 hours. Taxi drivers outside of the resort area can set you up as well. As always, negotiate on price as this is a lot of money for a Ukrainian girls even if she gives up half to her pimp, which I assume she does.. I didn’t go this route since I was already “involved” at the club, so if anybody has, please report.

Didn't have time for more research... next time.

Doctor_Skank
06-25-04, 08:40
"Odessa club scene"

In my short stay I tried a number of places. The main area of Odessa strecthes from the port (Morvoksal) to Primorsky Bulvar (a nice tree-lined boulevard) up the hill past museums and theatres to Deribasovskaya, a walking mall with shops, restaurants, street vendors etc. It is a relatively small area, and even after 3 days I’d seen everything. The area is nice but not spectacular and there are a few nice places and in a way it is comfortable to know that everybody goes to the same few places.

Fidel: Cuban bar with outdoor seating. Met numerous girls here, but no time to pursue all leads. Good place to sit and watch the girls walk by. Quality of girls sitting here was high, seems to be an "in" place. Latin dancing on weekends and occassional weeknights. And you know what latin dancing means...

Mick O’Neills (or similar) Irish Pub: After 10 pm a few very decent pros. Other than that, just an average Irish pub. No cute non-pro girls here. I only saw pros.

Steakhouse: American-style place with good food. Waitresses all over Odessa are approachable.

Pan Pizza: features the worst pizza this side of Bulgaria.

Turkuaz Bar: One club I DON’T recommend is “Turkuaz bar” which I gues means turquoise bar but actually is "Turkish bar". No, let’s not start that discussion again. Place sucked. It is across the street from the Irish pub in the basement. Full of guys and a few super skanky girls that looked like they have since retired from working tricks down by the port.

Vechernaya Odessa (nightly Odessa): One great smaller club, especially during the week (during the weekend you should be on the beach at Arkadia with all the girls) is Vechernaya Odessa, ulitsa Pushkinskaya 59. Somewhere between the port and Derbasovskaya. I went there on a Thursday and it was great. Great guy/girl ratio and many girls were approachable. They had an awful stage show, but who cares. Played a lot of hiphop/black music as opposed to the techno and house at the other clubs. It is small, but cosy and contact is easy. Dance. Will make things easier, but pulling at the bar is also very possible. Took two girls from here to Arkadia and even had one of their brother’s permission to do so. And he was a massively built customs agent, his younger sister a wanna-be elitny dark-haired girl that wears sunglasses in the disco. You know the type.

Arkadia: This is the place to go on the weekends, all local girls and tourists go there. It is a beach resort area with several big clubs and many small ones. You really MUST go there f you are in Odessa. Most clubs open season in mid-June, so don’t go before then.

Here are the top addresses:

Ibiza: upscale, new Russians, some pros, probably the hottest women.

Itaka: mixed crowd/ages, some pros, extremely hot women.

Stereo: small but “in”. Most expensive, but in my opinion the worst place I went to. Very young crowd.

Also quite nice was Luxor. Picked up a nice 18 year old blonde there. I just went up to her and started chatting away. Initially she resisted me buying her drinks, but after I insisted it didn't mean she owed me anything she and her friend started slurping away. The moment of truth came when they said they had to go home but I insisted they stay and after some argument among themselves, they did. The next morning at about 7 she jetted home and it took her nearly a week to send me a "recontact" SMS... I think her parents roasted her. Forget the name of the other places I went, also very nice. All are outdoor discos, so if it rains, forget going there. Sunsets are fantastic, moods are romantic, alcohol flows… for those familiar with the beach resorts of Ibiza, Greece, Spain, Italy or Turkey, Odessa is similar, but really more like an upscale version of Bulgaria… expensively-modeled clubs with eastern european inhibition. A volatile cocktail. If you go home alone, it is your own fault. If I had to pick one club of the above, it would be Itaka... but that is for personal reasons... :) And I have a home made porno to remind me...

Odessa isn’t cheap by eastern european standards… the resort areas have resort prices. Beer averages between 15-20 GRV ($4-5), cocktails as much as 30 ($6). If you go to more off the beaten path places, prices drop dramtically. I didn’t have time to do extensive exploring, but tend to think the city’s finest come to the center anyway or congegrate at Arkadia on the weekend..

For a purely mongering destination I’d likely go elsewhere… like Kiev. But for mongering and holiday fun in an interesting Black Sea package, Odessa is well-suited. Whether or not the freebie scene is actually better than the more easily accessed and polished Mediterranean resorts of Greece, Turkey or whereever is probably just a matter of preference and skill, I however had an unforgettable time and am yearning to return.

Bez Bezarra
06-25-04, 12:54
Oops!

Posted the wrong photo, sorry!

Glory train five-some.

Where else can you fall into your own party?

What a cuntry!

Bez Bezarra
06-26-04, 00:15
Doctor.

Any sign of this dyev?

hans37
07-02-04, 18:24
Going to Odessa mid of July, I wonder if you have any ideas of escorts or other girls who I can contact to spend a day with me.

Thanks in advance for your suggestions,regards

Hans

Bill Me Later
07-10-04, 15:22
Okay Guys, here is my first post.

Dr. Skank. Thank you for your informative reports regarding Odessa.
I am currently assigned here for three months, and have found that most of what you reported is correct. Only problem I have been facing here is that very few of the locals speak English. Even the pros. Which makes it very frustrating because there are so many beautiful women around here. Apparently very few Westerners come to Odessa and the locals do not have the incentive to learn the language. The visitors are mostly Russians or from the former Eastern block countries. I understand that Kiev is different though.

I was at the Mozart hotel the other night, one of thew few places where the staff speaks english, and the employees at the bar were very eager to help us find girls. They even got us three to chose from. Of course none of them spoke English and the experience was on the lower side of the scale. I'd say that most of them were on the 6 to 7 scale and asked for $100 for the first hour.

As I am staying here on a long term basis I moved to an apartment, and there was no problem getting the girl to agree to come along. Her "friend" gave us a ride from the hotel bar to the apartment.

I checked out the bar last night at the Londonskaya hotel. Not the bar in the casino. There were about four pros on a 4 to 6
scale, and all of them spoke English. The most beautiful was engaged with someone and I was not interested in the others. I will be visiting again tonight.

Regarding Mick O'neil. As Dr. Skank reported, the girls will not approach you. They will just give you a smile and the rest is up to you. Although the atmosphere is mixed there, it is not purely a mongering bar. It is a cafe style bar, and one might feel a little uncomfortable approaching the girls when you are surrounded by a friends and family type of people. I have been there for the past three nights and was not able to see any of the working girls leave with a client.

I stopped by Arcadia last night too and went to Ibiza. The club was jam packed with people you could hardly make contact with anybody. It was like a zoo. The taxi drivers outside the place were eager to find you girls. As I had too many drinks by that time I declined their offer.

I will be sending other updates as I get more news.

Doctor_Skank
07-10-04, 16:35
Bill me later,

Most normal pros don't speak English, that seems to be a fact of life in the Ukraine. If they did speak English, they'd either have real jobs or be upscale pros... knowing their market value and upping their prices accordingly. Like the girls at River Palace or Moda Bar.

Regarding the clubs and normal girls, it would be best if you could find someone to go with you. If not another expat (English and US males hang out at O'Neils for example), maybe even find an English-speaking Ukrainian guy about your age (whatever that may be) and befriend him, and then go clubbing with him. Whatever you end up doing though, you will have to talk to these girls, they defintely won't approach you, pro or otherwise. It is against their mentality... a cultural mindset in which real men go and get what they want and shy men that don't are just weak.

I understand it isn't easy to approach strangers, but you should just try. Even if you get shot down a few times, you will be successful more sooner than later. I found several girls who spoke very decent English... and got phone numbers from nearly every girl I appoached. I am not exaggerating. Contact really was quite easy. And girls often go out in groups of girls with no men present.

Try sitting in a cafe and approaching a group of girls and asking them some stiupid question... maybe as simple as "do you speak English?" or "do you know any good clubs?". If the girls you approach are at all capable of speaking English they will respond. If not, shrug your shoulders with a smile and move on. For example I did this at Fidel and met a whole table of cute students and yes, they ALL did go to Arkadia on the weekend. Especially since you can play the "I live in Odessa" card, you should be able to meet non-pros quite easily. Where it goes from there is up to you, but there really is no excuse for not meeting girls in Odessa. Try Arcadia on any day from Thursday to Sunday, go to Luxor or Itaka and just approach girls and see what happens. I expect you'll be happy with the results. If you can find a wingman...any wingman... it will make the whole enterprise a bit easier.

Good luck and looking forward to your report!

Bill Me Later
07-16-04, 12:08
Hello again,

Went to the bar at the Londonskaya hotel last sunday night. There were two ladies there, one I would rate as a 3 the other was a 6. The ladies wasted no time in making eye contact and soon I was chatting with the acceptable looking one. By the way all the ladies at the Londonskaya bar speak English.

Ladies drinks at the bar cost 100 grivnas ($20). When it came down to business she asked for $120 for the first hour. She did list on the menu an all nighter and two hours, but since it was past midnight and I had to go to work the next morning I was not interested in the other options. As I mentioned in an earlier report I am staying in an apartment and that did not get in the way of the deal.

Unlike my previous experience, this one was a real hotty. Everything was available with the exception of anal. It was a real GFE and I would rate the action as a 9.

This is my impression of the Odessa scene so far. The girls are hot particularly if you like the thin type, not an ounce of fat, and in general very small boobs A & B cup sizes. However, given the fact that few speak English, the prices are not exactly cheap and Odessa is not a tourist friendly destination for Westerners I would steer clear from here as a purely mongering stop. If you are under the impression that you are going to get cheap rides with pros in this place you are dead wrong. There is plenty of women to be had for free. You just have to speak the language. I tried approaching the local women and they are very approachable. They would go out of their way to try to establish a conversation even with just a few words, but it was a complete turn off for me.

In my next report I will describe my experience at the local strip bar.

Bill

Goldfinger
07-16-04, 14:35
Club report.

Ibiza thursday night was rocking. It is an open air club in a moorish style, very cool. The shorter podium dancer must have the best body I have ever seen, very thin with large breasts for her small frame. After her set she was on the dance floor but my offer of a drink was not apreciated! I was wondering around downtown looking for a bar that looked good but it was very quiet when a six foot tall blond starts walking with me. Declined her offer of 400gr/70 dollars but get talking to her and went to Arkadia with her. Meet her friends then she was off looking for some business. Tried to talk to girls on the dance floor and at the bar but most are as cold as ice so hit the beers and danced. I think if I see some out tonight in Itaka might have an in. It would probably help to speak Russian as well! Survived the lada taxi ride back into town by adopting a brace position as the seat belt was behind the chair. Must have set a new lap record as I'm sure he got the back out a few times! Great night was hoping to do better than at home but will try Itaka tonight.

Bill me later, open your eyes this town is full of Americans looking for a second wife, if you're not getting anywhere try a maraige agency!

Bill Me Later
07-19-04, 11:02
Goldfinger

I am not looking a free ride. I like the P4P scene a lot better. I know what I am getting, I don't waste my time and I definitely do not want her hanging around after I'm done. I like my peace and quiet.

I am not on vacation here, working 7 days a week at times and I have very little free time of my own.

I guess it is a matter of whatever makes you happy...

Good hunting. I was at Ibiza last night and the place was packed though it was a Sunday night.

Bill

Bez Bezarra
07-20-04, 04:46
Later Bill?

Enjoying your reporting, but....

You say the girl that you took to your flat was a 6?
You also say she was a real hottie?

So she is a real hottie 6?


I guess my experience there was different, the 6's I saw in Odessa only asked for $30 or $35. The quality was unacceptable, they understood when I refused and sent them away. It was only 8 months ago.

Anyway, sure wish my job was there! But what's the point of working 7 days a week? If you're not splitting your time 50-50 between work and fun in the center of the pussy universe, why even be there? You might as well be in Hoboken.

Stravinsky
07-21-04, 15:34
Opus Dog,

Check your PM

Bill Me Later
07-22-04, 13:53
Mangus,

The body was a 9 as most women in this area are. However certain marks have to be given for the face features... and I downgraded the 9 to a 6 because of that. Maybe I was harsh in my grading.

As far as work is concerned I am a simple employee and I have to comply with what the contract with the client says. I do not manage my own time. I am not here on vacation.

I managed to go to the beach this week. There is a beach called Riviera in the fontana area. It is a 30 minute drive from downtown Odessa. Taxis will know where to take you. Lots of beautiful women tanning their private parts. Quiet a few speak English and are very approachable. It is as good of a pick up spot as Arcadia.

Bill

Bill Me Later
07-22-04, 14:23
Went the other night to the local strip bar. A place called X Club.

The ride in the taxi was scary. Being unfamiliar with the city, we had to go through wooded area where there was no lighting. It is a 30 minute drive drom Diribaska street. Although I had a wingman, we did discuss at a certain point an escape plan in case something went wrong. But we made it.

There is a 35 grivna cover charge. About 7 or 8 ladies were taking turns. After each dance, the lady would go around soliciting lapdances. Most of the ladies are 7 and above. Beer is cheap and is only 10 grivnas.

When I first came in, I started giving 5 grivnas for the lap dances as these were the bills that I saw in the ladies thongs. There was no complaints from the ladies and they kept coming back. When I ran out of change and wanted more fivers, one of the ladies said that the lap dance tips should be 20 grivnas minimum. That is still cheap by US standards, and the ladies were really good at it. I highly recommend a visit to this joint. Bring all the cash that you need as there is no ATM nearby. The club will call a taxi for you when you need to go home. Taxis should cost about 20 grivnas each way.

The ladies offered to perform a private lap dance on the premises for 150 grivnas. Apparently you get two songs and she takes her thong off. I didn't think it was worth it so I declined.

I managed to get one of the ladies phone number, and called her the next morning. Apparently she was looking for a westerner to befriend and hopefully get her out of the country. I am sure if I had the time I could have gotten something out of it, but my time is really tight in this place. Since it is not instant gratification I do not have the time to pursue it.

Bill

Zizz Bang
08-11-04, 21:09
This will have to be short, but since it's been a while since a report came from Odessa, I thought I should hop in here.

Odessa is not nearly as crowded as I thought it would be, though there are lots of people here. Lots of very beautiful women. One night at Ibiza I saw the most beautiful woman I've ever seen in person and, having four weeks of Russia/Ukraine under my experience-belt, I went right up to her and chatted her up. In the US, I would have frozen up. She was extremely friendly and she told me that not many people approach her in Odessa (she is from Kiev). We danced that night till 5am and she came home with me. We're still hanging out down here and the sex is great. Still don't know if she "belongs" to someone here but I don't care.

If you are reasonably assertive and passably attractive, you can hook up here daily. It is a small community though, so you WILL bump into someone you "know" if you hang out here long enough (I've been here about a week now and had a couple of uncomfortable run-ins).

Good spots:

Ibiza -- Hard to pull from here on densely-packed Friday or Saturday but the viewing must be experienced just once in your life. It is incredible. Thursday and Sunday are good times to go as the density is lower and good contacts can be made. Many will not speak English but a suprising number do and will try if you keep at it. It seems like girls always know more English than they let on in the Ukraine.

Zara Pizzara -- I hesitate to give this gem away because it is money, between 3pm and 7pm. Lots of beautiful women hang here. Why, I don't know, but at the moment, the place is hot and laid back.

Fidels -- Friday was surprisingly hot. My buddy and I were just chilling there until it was time to hit Arkadia but never left. We both took some twenty-one year olds home that night. The music is perfect for hooking women as the girl:guy ratio is 4 or 5:1.

Pilot -- Outside on the cafe, between 7pm and 10pm, it looks like a docking station for supermodels

Bad spots:

Expat hangouts like Estrillita and Mick O'Neills. Great places to get grub and beer, but no potential there.

Walking the main street (Deribassovskaya) anytime except possibly 4pm to 7pm. Too many fat tourists from god knows where.

If you're a westerner, you might want to have a cover story why you're in Odessa, other than "Here for the sex trade".

Sam2004
08-12-04, 20:54
Leaving today for Odessa.

If anyone knows anything new, please PM.

Hope to post some photos soon.

See you in 2 weeks.

Sam.

Bez Bezarra
08-13-04, 05:59
Bill Me

I did go to that beach on a nice sunny day, but very few people or ladies around because it was already October. Obviously I knew I should have been there in the summer to see its potential.

But a random taxi driver I called one night came to my flat, and when I asked him to take me to a good night spot for girls, he said why not just make a phone call, as long as I've got $100, and we just drove around the block until Natasha showed up. The whole thing took about 10 minutes and boom!

So I don't know, what you would score her. I gave her about a 7 or 8, because her tits were mind boggling, the rest of her, I couldn't rate better than a 6 or 7. That's actually a little harsh, because her face was pretty, no flaws really, and I did bang the hell out of her, but she was just too stuck up for me. I asked if she had a friend and she said yes, but of course she got insulted when the next night only she was available and not her friend, and I told her no, I'll wait for her friend, so after that, she just gave me the run around and never hooked me up. Dumb girl, I would've gladly hooked her up very well for the intro, but she's the typical kind that thinks she's better than anyone, and if you dont fuck her, then you aint getting no pussy. Just another dumb girl! But it don't hurt wih those knockers!

Zizz Bang
08-23-04, 10:38
i wanted to post a report of my last night in odessa, one that i'll likely never forget. i'm not a huge fan of p4p, much preferring to pursue the amateur scene and my time in ukraine was highly successful in that regard. russia and ukraine are absolutely wonderful places for a guy like me to meet smart, cultured and fun loving amateurs. i'm back in the united states now and going crazy...

i wanted to hit arkadia for my last night, a wednesday, in odessa. the wingman i had drafted from the irish bar earlier in the week had jetted out so i was flying solo. went to ibiza expecting a good time but after two months in eastern europe my philosophy had evolved from active girl-pursuit to just finding a cool place to hang and hoping that the female side of things would fall into place. which it did, more often than not.

ibiza during the summer is simply great during the non-weekends. not too dense but lots of options. the female:male ratio this night was probably 5:2 with only about 20% of those women obviously working. i got myself a gin and tonic for entirely too many hryvnas and immediately focused on a stunning 5'5 blonde swaying back and forth on the alabaster stairs overlooking the dance floor. she looked around eventually and our eyes locked.

as written countless times in this forum, in this part of europe, women really give men the lookover, and it feels pretty intense the first couple of times you experience it. this girl, anastasia, looked at me and looked at me and looked at me in a way that i still can't shake out of my head. she came up to the bar and i bought her a drink, we talked intermittently in bad russian and bad english, and she told me her two friends would be jealous that i was talking to her. sure enough, as i peered over her shoulder, two mousy teenage boys were visibly agitated as i talked her up. the mutual interest was there and i was not about to let these youngsters spoil the fun, but i wanted to be polite. we danced but not too closely and the mice were always encircle; she secretly gave me her number then she split with the boys.

my timing had to be perfect. i waited about twenty minutes before i sms-ed (the perfect way to communicate with ukrainian/russian women). she said da to my proposal of meeting me and i handed the cell phone to the taxi driver for directions. we picked her up, went to fidel's for a shared glass of wine then back to my flat. the sex was incredible, all for the cost of a taxi, two drinks and some easy conversation. perfect 22 year old ass, tummy and legs, with a beautiful cameron diaz face and long hair. smarter than shit too.

when everything clicks, odessa is simply magical.

zizz

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:39
Daragie Drusie!

I began my trip to Odeca with a three (four) some in a sauna.

Was there with two Ukrainian "friends!"

Karina, left told us she was 18, the other girl - already forgot her name - told us she was 21.

Third girl on following photographs.

Cost: 40 Euro for each girl, 20 for the sauna.

But man, who cares. We f....d 3 hrs. and it was my first day there.

I came 3 times, best was fucking the blonde on the right (very tight) while the other one on the left was kissing "minime´s balls"

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:41
Another photograph of shageldics´sauna club, Odeca.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:44
No shag photo.

Ask a driver in Odeca to drive you where the pros are.

You may ask "Gde djewuchke?"

or more polite - Wi snaiete gde stajat dewuchke ?

(where are the girls?)

Answer may be "Kakie" (What kind of)

"molodie, normalne, krassive"

young, good, beautiful.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:46
The next day, i f....d Tanja from the Totchka at the harbor

Known as "Tamochnoja Plochad"

Costs: 250 Griwnja (about 40 Euros) for the whole night, till 5 o´clock.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:48
Tanja 2

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:48
Tanja 3

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:49
Tanja 4

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:49
Tanja - Like a virgin.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:51
Virgin no more.

At least, half year ago she told me (who ever may believe this) she f........d the first time in her life.

Told me, she was 18.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:52
Tanja once more.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:53
Tanja. After the first shag.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:55
This girl was really incredible.

I don´t post any more photos, only PM more photos under condition of exchange.

This is just to give you an impression.

She is multisexual, loves girls, boys, toys, sperm in her face.

Incredible.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:56
Nat 2

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:57
Lucy.

Skylike, diamonds in her face. Or whatever that was that blinked.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:58
Lucy 3

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:58
Lucy 2

Sam2004
08-26-04, 12:59
Lucy 1

Sam2004
08-26-04, 13:19
Odeca:


1.)

Arkadia.

For me, it didn´t turned out to be a success at all.

I was there

a.) with a wingman [ITAKA]
b.) alone [Itaka]
c.) with a ukrainian girl i met who seeked "sexe de trois" [Pago].

It was nearly impossible to make any interesting contacts.

I may say, that I spoke to some girls, some adressed me but
they were not at all interesting.

2.)

Beach.

Very good resource to make contacts.

I got to know some girls, kissed, but no sex that fast.

Ukrainian girls are not all the sluts some of us take them for, it appears to me.

3.)

Paid sex.

a.)

TOTCHKA at the harbor, TAMOCHNAJA PLOCHAD.

There is no price ranging,
standard is

250 Griwna for 5 - 6 hours (which is 40 Euro or 8 Euros / hour).

They won´t do anal sex.

There are some very pretty, young girls there.

b.)

BELIKA ARNAUTSKA

This is the main street form Odeca to Kiiw.

Standard pricing is

50 Gr. for a BJ (this is about 8 Euros), 60 for Sex (9 Euros).

But really, I found the girls there disgusting.
Narcoman (drug addicts), drunk or just ugly or both or all three.

c.)

Other places:

NOTHING.

Believe me, I sincerely followed all advices given in this forum, especially from Dr Skank, which I aprreciate very much and had given him maybe useful information for Kaliningrad, where I was last summer.

But: Pushkinskaja and Primorsky Bl. , there is absolutely nothing there.

Police has tigthened up and I saw lot of controls everywhere, but at the harbor.








Belika Arnautska

Sam2004
08-26-04, 17:36
Because there were already some hours after the post quite a lot fellows to ask me two seemingly important information, i´ll provide them now for everyone:


1.)

Sauna: See scan of their BC.

You´ll have to negotiate

1.) the price - please don´t - under any circumstance - pay them more than 40 Euros / 250 Gr. for each girl and at least 2 - 3 hours work.

The average income in Odeca is 100 Dollars (85 Euros) a month.

The girl will get 20 Euros, the mametchka (souteneur, pimp) 20 Euros.

That means: If the f... with you, it´s already the average salary of 1 week work.


2.) don´t ever pay any more than 20 Euro for the sauna (2 hours). Anyway, you´ll consume some wodka, champagne and butterbrod (sandwiches), so they will be happy you´ve been there.

3.) VERY IMPORTANT: you have to tell the sauna people very exactly what kind of girl (girls) you are looking for AND what they must do, like e.g. 18 - 22 y.o., bj, bbbj, grupowucha (groupsex), ftrajom (threesome). otherwise - if you don´t do that, they will definitely provide you with maybe not too young / too good looking girls eager to eat and drink, some but not to suck, blow oder have sex with you other than on a one-to-one basis.

In other words: Tell them very frankly what you desire BEFORE YOU ORDER, and you´ll definitely get it.

If you don´t, they will not do it (because they will use the "argument", that they were not these type of girls ....)


2.)

TOTCHKA at the harbor, TAMOCHNI PLOCHAD

Q: "Regarding the tochka, what time of day/night is it best to go for large selection of girls?"

Definetely, Friday Saturday and Tuesday are the best days.

Don´t go there before 9 p.m., don´t after 2 a.m.


Q: "Is this the same port place reported by Dr_Skank?"

Yes.


Q: "Any girls around the corner of Pushkinskaya ulitsa and Primorsky Bulvar."

Defintely i haven´t seen any.

Because i trust and admire Dr Skanks knowledge, i spoke to about half dozen Ukrainian males living in Odeca and all girls I f....d with, if they know anything about Streetwalkers on Pushinkskaja or Primorsky.

No one knew anything.


Q: "Where to wander around"

Bolschaja (po-ukrainski: "belika") Arnautska, the street from the center to the "highway" leading to Kiew.

But, as mentioned before:

You´ll find Odecas ugliest girls there.
Cheap but i´d say with a high HIV-potential.

I highly disrecommend.

Q: "What else to do ?"


For paid sex I recommend:

1.) TOTCHKA at the harbor (see next report with photo)
2.) Call a girl at your hotel or if you don´t feel comfortable about that in a sauna
3.) Call a girl via a taxi driver (beware that the younger the taxi driver are the lesser their knowledge about paid sex)


I disrecommend

1.) Ask girls you see on the street ("ti rabotaesh?") if you dare - this question means - "Do you work ?").
I tried this a dozen times, and even if they worked they provided first the false information they didn´t
2.) Street walkers as mentioned above

Sam2004
08-26-04, 17:46
Odesa TOTCHKA TAMOCHNI PLOCHAD

View from the discothek

Girls will wait - nighttimes - in cars parked on this street side (opposite disco) or wander around.

Sam2004
08-26-04, 17:49
Disco at Tamochni plochad.

If it rains, you´ll find them inside.

Doctor_Skank
08-27-04, 10:15
SAM2004:

Thanks for the great pictures and info... finally Odessa is getting its fair share of current info!

BTW: where did you meet your Nat girl? Looks like you had an unforgettable time with her. Was she from the port tochka, the sauna, the contact newspapers or elsewhere?

"Q: "Any girls around the corner of Pushkinskaya ulitsa and Primorsky Bulvar."
Defintely i haven´t seen any."

Hope I didn't steer you awry, that was where I remembered girls being. The streets I mention are close to tamoshny ploshad (around the corner) and the girls I saw when there weren't that far down close to the port, but rather up the street a bit closer to the corner. May have just been the night.

Your picture is the best reference to its actual location.

I originally used this map:

http://www.odessaglobe.com/english/map/map-a9-b10.htm

But perhaps this one is better.

http://www.travel-2-ukraine.com/information/maps/odessa/odessa-center-screen.htm

Arkadia:

Sorry it didn't work out for you. Actually I find it refereshing to find Ukrainian and Russian girls can still say no! :)

Obviously there is no 100% solution to our dilemma, which makes the hunt more interesting! Nonetheless, I still heartily recommend Arkadaia to anybody headed to Odessa in the summer. Was incredible there.

Cheers and keep up the good work!

WooDog
09-28-04, 22:03
I'll be in Odessa for about the next month, I know the scene well here, so if anyone is in town and needs a guide feel free to PM me and I'll give you my mobile number!

Woodog

MagicTouch
03-21-05, 12:08
I see that the Odessa forum seems to fall into a winter-sleep and that is a real pity because the beauty of their ladies doesn't at all.

I hit Odessa for business in October and this March and, counting on the support of my business partners, could get a good insight of the place in different seasons than summer, and in different locations than Arkadia.

First, Odessa is the closest to a melting pot they have in that area of the world. It is a port city with many nationalities. This gave rise to a particular Odessan pride that makes them feel Odessans first, and only after whatever else, Ukrainian or Russian or who knows. Moreover, it is the capital of humour within the Russian speaking world. They adore jokes and the 1st of April is a real celebration there, like Carnival elsewhere.

Odessans believe that their women are the most beautiful in the CIS countries ... meaning practically in the world. Having left my unexperienced teen-years a while ago -) and having already looked around in places like Moscow and Kiev many times before -)), I can say with the best of my cool blood that their opinion can be shared at 112%. I am sure it is due to the melting pot.

So what happens in winter? They have discos and they go to discos. Places to remember are Palladium, Jo and Cafe-Bar 23. I was not at Palladium, that's the most expensive disco in town and the ladies' attitude is said to be a little bit ... overproud. What I tried is Jo on a Saturday night. Jo was believed to be the best disco in Ukraine not long ago, with people coming to Odessa from many other places just to hit that dance floor. Well maybe those being familiar with Moscow discos will not be shocked, but the place is OK. What is shocking is the statistically absurd density of top-beauties that populate that floor. E-ve-ry in-di-vi-dual fe-ma-le being that appeared there between 10:30 pm and 2:30 am was worth a book of pictures and a recommendation letter to some upscale model agency in Milan, Paris or New York. I dived into a maelstroem of high butts, long black booted legs, round faces with big lips and slightly orientally shaped eyes, perfect manicures and flat naked stomachs. If somebody ever heard about the Stendhal syndrome (when Stendhal visited Florence he was overwhelmed by the beauty of art masterpieces and fainted from shock) he will know the name of my disease that night -)

Now I understand why local men treat them so roughly, it must be a sort of compensation, if you follow your instinct and adore them as the goddesses they are, they will simply grow their self-esteem too high and males will soon be turned into their powerless slaves. Treating them roughly is the most effective way local men have not to succumb to their overwhelming attractiveness.

Action at Jo was interesting till 3 am, but the girls' attitude was not the same you will find, say, in Minsk, they seemed more interested in dancing and liaising with their friends than making contact with strangers in the night - like the one I definitely looked like and was. You actually need an excess of self-esteem to find the courage to approach girls of a level that in your own country would make them accessible only on the pages of fashion magazines or on TV screens ... but you can rely on the law of large numbers: since EVERY girl that will show some interest will be more than OK, and the place is packed with girls, IF you get one yes from whoever THEN you'll have a top model at your side for a while.

A thing to consider is that, unlike say in Moscow or Minsk, men there are not absent or ... unapplicable. Again, Odessans are different.

I was able to make contact with a lady that, in that paradise of potential models, could be judged just average (which means anyway more than OK on this side of the former iron curtain), in half an hour she could be driven from the first hallo to almost sex on the spot, then we moved to Cafe-Bar 23 for late action, this is an underground disco-bar that was still packed at 4:30 am when I left.

The girl, BTW, although not saving any energies on enthusiastic DFK and related activities, did not feel ready to join me in my hotel room immediately. The perfect occasion for that would have been the second date (usual and understandable situation after all), but this was not to be scheduled, I left early the following afternoon when, obviously, she was still dead in her bed, and, obviously, I did not postpone my flight back for her :-)

So my final recommendation: visit Odessa whenever you have an opportunity. People are nice, prices are lower than in Kiev, there is an international airport for easier access, and girls are something that deserves a visit even for the most experienced WSG traveller ...

Bez Bezarra
03-21-05, 13:16
Yes its true that starting prices for average types may be lower, in the $40 to $50 range for 1 hour, than Kiev, that's still for 5's and 6's, and with easily
visible higher quality in the neighborhood, its difficult to ignore that fact and settle for average.

Once you get to the next level, and as soon as the escort services and taxi drivers know you're not a local, then prices aren't lower anymore, and can actually be higher than Kiev, since Odeca is a travel destination for the dyev's also.

So the key is, as anywhere, make friends with a local, and he or she will push and insist that you get local prices. Even at the discos and clubs, get
someone to set up your introductions, and then you don't have to worry so much about your esteem.

Finding something else to do there isn't as easy to do if you're not there for business, during down time, very difficult to get dyev's interested in morning/afternoon sessions, so be prepared to kill and waste two thirds of your time, unless its summer and you hang at the beach. That makes it tougher to hang out for more than a week or 10 days, which really only is scratching the surface of what one might find.

Maybe the key is forcing yourself to sleep all day and waking up at 4:00 in the afternoon every day, then you can "work it" to the wee hours every night in disco-club-land. Its probably the best plan, since its close to impossible to arrange for "room-service" earlier than about 5 or 6 PM, and then the disco action only gets going after 11PM. The vampire life!

Irish Lad
03-21-05, 23:23
Hello there,

I've been stalking this section for a while now as I'm heading to Odessa in May and then up to Kiev for the Eurovision. I'm glad to see that the info in the Odessa section is building up.

My usual haunt has been Dubai. Anyone looking for Ukrainain women will find plenty there.

My plan of attack is a mixture of dates from several sites and a few preselected escorts as backups.

I am presuming that mid May will be too early for the beach scene but you can expect a full report from me upon my return.

All known bases will be covered but any research mission requests from other members will be gladly undertaken.

Later

Globe Trots
03-22-05, 04:46
I've been hoping for some news on the Odessa thread as well! :)

Actually my plans are exactly the opposite of yours. I'll be in Kiev from about 9-11/12, then fleeing south to Odessa ahead of Eurovision :)

So if it all works out nicely, we can leave reviews here for each other for the 2nd half of our trips!

Delgado
03-22-05, 10:21
I don't won't to spoil your fun. I was planning to go to odessa myself this summer, but I've changed my mind in the meantime.

The movie "We don`t want to die like this. AIDS in Odessa" from Karsten Hein documents how the Ukraine has totally lost control over the spreading of aids on its territory. One of the hardest hit regions is Odessa. The World Health Organisation estimates that approximately 150.000 people are HIV positive in Odessa.

For those of you who understand german:

www.aids-ukraine.com

There's also an english version:

www.aids-ukraine.com/index_e.html

Cruiser D
03-22-05, 19:22
Try this WHO website link and avoid the docudrama trash. http://www.euro.who.int/document/CMA/rc52fshivaids0902e.pdf


I don't won't to spoil your fun. I was planning to go to odessa myself this summer, but I've changed my mind in the meantime.

The movie "We don`t want to die like this. AIDS in Odessa" from Karsten Hein documents how the Ukraine has totally lost control over the spreading of aids on its territory. One of the hardest hit regions is Odessa. The World Health Organisation estimates that approximately 150.000 people are HIV positive in Odessa.

For those of you who understand german:

www.aids-ukraine.com

There's also an english version:

www.aids-ukraine.com/index_e.html

Bez Bezarra
03-23-05, 02:02
Well, if the report changes your mind,
then you might as well cross the
rest of East Europe and Soviet Central Asia
off your itinerary as well.

Sounds like you're headed for Kabul,
where you can get your dick blown
right off.

Or how about Iceland, where you can
freeze your dick off.

Maybe you're best bet will be Haiti or
South Africa. Have a nice trip.

Pa ka!

Delgado
03-23-05, 10:28
Very funny comment Mangus, honest! But I doubt you actually read the report. Sticking your head in the sand isn`t the best solution, I'm afraid.

1 million inhabitants and up to 170.000 infected. If the numbers alone don't somehow scare the shit out of you, I have no idea what will.

Roger Mellie
03-24-05, 06:30
Axel: The problem witht that number is expressed in the report. The local AIDS council estimate 18,000. The WHO have simply come in, taken that number and multiplied it by a random factor of 8. Doing that is always going to subject to massive wild errors. I note the local AIDS council estimate a absolute worst case figure of 40,000. But thanks for the report. It genuinely found it most interesting and definately worth a read.

Cruiser: The problem with your comment is, apart from the fact that you are always too eager to dismiss other peoples comments when you yourself could have no possible knowledge on the subject (see Moscow and Kiev boards), is that the material you use as reference in your reply is dated 2002 ... ??? This is 2005 now.!!! Your material is older than the source material for the documentary. So how could it possibly be more relevant? It even comes from the same source - the WHO, who as mentioned before are simply taking local numbers and multiplying by a "scare factor".

Cruiser D
03-24-05, 08:12
RM, if you check out the link for the documentary, you will find that it is docudrama trash. Why check out WHO directly when you can get the spun and hyped information that has already been spun and hyped by WHO.

I was going to call WHO and get the latest Aids info on Odessa because I know that is the first thing people check when they make their vacation plans. It is after all a little over two years old. But I couldn't afford the long distance because I am saving up for my 200k soviet era fixer upper in Kiev.

RM, am I going to have to get a restraining order out on you? ;)




Axel: The problem witht that number is expressed in the report. The local AIDS council estimate 18,000. The WHO have simply come in, taken that number and multiplied it by a random factor of 8. Doing that is always going to subject to massive wild errors. I note the local AIDS council estimate a absolute worst case figure of 40,000. But thanks for the report. It was most interesting.

Cruiser: The problem with your comment is, apart from the fact that you are always too eager to dismiss other peoples comments when you yourself could have no possible knowledge on the subject (see Moscow and Kiev boards), is that the material you use as reference in your reply is dated 2002 ... ??? This is 2005 now.!!! Your material is older than the source material for the documentary. So how could it possibly be more relevant? It even comes from the same source - the WHO, who as mentioned before are simply taking local numbers and multiplying by a "scare factor".

Bez Bezarra
03-24-05, 12:21
Look, I spent 2 very interesting and sometimes glorious weeks in this beautiful place in 2003. Met 2 of the all-time most incredible dyev's there.

Compared to the rest of this poor sad depressing country, Odeca is a fucking paradise. Its a perfectly logical conclusion that they would fuck the place up then, that seems to happen lots of places. Seen it right here where I live too.

I'm sure that Odeca's skanky $20 port-*****s that get comed in by every low life ship's bilge crew from Karachi to Casablanca do a fine job spreading
the plague back and forth between customers and their junkie-pimps.

So instead of wasting space with your doubts about me, why don't you try adding something about someplace YOU'VE been that we'll all be interested in hearing about, or step off this thread.

Oh yeah, and by all means, do not bother coming to Ukraine, its doubtful the locals will appreciate you either. In fact, do you happen to know what
"govnoyob onanist ochko patsan pedik pizdostradatel yadrona mish" means?

Piaga
03-24-05, 16:42
Hi,

I'm 28 from Italy.

I'd like to visit Odessa and Crimea in August.

Can anybody help me about cheap hotels gf?

Prices?

I'll be there about 3 weeks. (Is it enought?)

Thanks a lot.

Piaga!

Uke Boy
03-24-05, 18:33
Axel,

Thank you for not coming here this summer. It is also likely that you also believed it when George Bush said he would find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

You really seem to accept as dogma all that you read and see and your critical faculties such as experiencing as well as thinking are not as yet very well developed.

If 20 percent of Odessa were HIV/AIDS infected, you can bet there would be major action here from local and national government organizations as well as international. Yes, there is a problem, yes, it is growing and can be considered an epidemic and yes it is creeping into the general public from druggies and those existing on the fringes of society. But it is in no way 20 percent of the population and is likely less than 5%.

Take a look at something not too far from you. I would say it is no worse in Odessa than it is in Frankfurt where you have a lot of druggies and a big fringe element there as you walk out of the Hauptbahnhof. It still does not stop anyone from heading to the Kaiserstrasse or to FKKs.

One more thing. The "epidemic" that broke out between June 1940 and May 1945 killed more people in Odessa and all of Ukraine than HIV/AIDs.

Uke Boy
03-24-05, 20:48
Piaga,

Ukraine and Crimea have in the last few years learned all about high season rates. August in Odessa and Crimea are the top of the season for tourists, mostly from Russia, and for rates being at their highest.

I doubt that anyone in this forum can help you with the planning or the booking of this trip. Good luck if you can find a "cheap" hotel. The toilet may be 50 metres away. You might also be able to book a cheap private home but the babushka who owns and also stays there may not like having "special guests" at night.

Three weeks is enough to leave with a big smile on your face if you do it right. But you won't be able to do it cheap at that time of year.

Delgado
03-24-05, 22:47
Uke Boy,

I can live with constructive criticism, but throwing in world war II and the nazi-regime (obviously because you somehow came to the conclusion that I must be german) is way out of line. So next time somebody starts talking about the HIV situation in north america, you`re gonna start commenting about how many more people were killed in the civil war and the indian massacres? I´m not sure which one of us has to work on his critical thinking capabilities.

Mangus Man,

Isn´t the internet a great place for guys like you, who love to insult people they know nothing about? Sorry about telling you not to stick your head in the sand, for obvious reasons that advice is useless in your case.

The way you guys reacted to someone who did nothing else but simply share a link to a report about the current situation in odessa really reveals a lot about the mental state your in.

Bez Bezarra
03-25-05, 04:20
Why don't you go to Chornomors'ke?

Its a quaint seaside resort for poor Belarussians, on the northwest corner of Krimsky Republik. Probably just your style.

Bungalows are cheap, and so are the horny sluts that hang at the summer outdoor disco every night. Drink mass quantities of cheap beer all day at the beach and stammer your way into a vodka stupor in the evening. Imagine Messina 100 years ago, that's it! Just bring your thong and your schlong and a bong.

Uke Boy
03-25-05, 13:10
Axel

When you took on that nick, and I don't care what nationality you are, Canadian, British, German or otherwise, you should have anticipated some possible problems.

For those who don't know, the original Axel Springer was a very notorious right wing German media magnate of the 50s, 60s and 70s, an early version of Rupert Murdoch and his type. Springer had very little regard for the truth and cared only about his political agenda that he could promote through his media empire.

You did not "just" post a link to a web site but also made editorial comments that were also condemned by other forum contributors.

The real problem is that you tried to propagate a very hysterical version and an extremely inaccurate picture of what is a serious AIDS crisis in Odessa. Your propagation of this sensationalism would make the original Axel Springer very proud of you.

Delgado
03-25-05, 16:14
Uke Boy,

I really had no ulterior motive when choosing that nick. Granted, Axel Springer was a more or less controversial person, but Axel Springer also is the name of one of europe`s largest magazine and newspaper publishers today. They publish lots of crap, some good products too.

When sharing the link to the Odessa report, I wasn`t trying to propagate anything. I`ve never been to the Ukraine, I´ll be in Kiev for the first time in may and was planning to visit Odessa next. I read the report, it disturbed me, and what you call “editorial comments“ simply was my honest and first reaction after reading it.
I was interested in getting some feedback what other guys think about the report, that´s the only reason I posted.

Starchild2012
03-26-05, 12:31
Common guys,

Don't argue like high school drop out's,

If you read Axel post, he was just trying to "inform" and it could have being like wise, but some of the post are downright personal criticism and its not in good WSG spirit, Its a free forum and every one is entiled to his opinion, on whatever he thinks, agreed the posting must have being on opinions and editorial's page, yet to make some one to the point of riducule is worthless and baseless.

Besides, with all the critisism Axel recieved, not once has he personally attacked he is still trying to say all he meant was to inform.

Doctor_Skank
03-27-05, 00:43
This Odessa thing has gotten me all freaked out. I am going down there end of April to check things out.

Please, NOBODY go to Odessa until I have completed my fact-finding mission and given you the all clear.

Axel S and Cruiser D... as far as I am concerned you are both very welcome to the forum... (Jackson's opinion is the only one that matters in this regard) ...just post real info and or pics, write about subjects you actually know something about and stay on topic. We are all equals here.

Steven
04-15-05, 03:03
Hey Guys,

Will be in Odessa late summer for about 4 days. Can anyone PLEASE tell me the names and addresses of any girl-friendly hotels, and where is the best part of town to stay in? Also, what clubs are active now, and what about the language, I speak only English? I have added much to the forum in various countries, now I need some info. Thank you.

Bez Bezarra
04-16-05, 05:22
Nothing wrong with staying central.

Londonskaya is the nice hotel on the next block over
from, you guessed it, Mickey D's!

You can't miss it, on the main street, Deribosovskaya, I think,
that goes right down the hill and the steps
into the Black Sea, or walk back the other way,
to the pleasant park chock full o' pretty pizda.

Once you're there and see it, you'll realize
stressing over it wasn't needed, its fine.
Short cab rides to clubs, they'll know where...

Zizz Bang
04-16-05, 10:37
Steven:

Take about two hours or so and learn some key phrases in Russian. Buy a phrasebook in Barnes & Noble that you can put into your back pocket. You will not become fluent in Russian -- that would take years -- but the attempt is such an aphrodisiac for many of these women. In Odessa you will not be the first American (or whatever Western nationality) they've met, so they have a preconcieved notion about you already. The ATTEMPT to speak Russian gets you further than you would ever believe. Invariably, about 30% of the hot Russian girls in Odessa know more English than they let on and will open up once they see you butchering their language. By the way, no one in Odessa speaks Ukrainian (none that I can tell anyway). Learn some Russian!

Stay somewhere central and take a gypsy cab to Arkadia (pronounced AHR-KAH-DEE-AAH) for a couple of bucks. The ride there is quite enjoyable, in my experience, especially if you are either German or American (which the locals seems to adore, for some reason). Chat with the driver, you will enjoy it. Ukrainians are curious and friendly people, especially if you show them respect.

I simply love Odessa and get back as much as possible now. You will have fun. Also try Fidel's right on the main drag if you're there during a Friday or Saturday.

Zizz

Buck Naked
04-26-05, 02:38
Hey guys, I have enjoyed reading all the posts here, really goof info.

I will be in Odessa in May for about a week, staying at Black Sea hotel. Does anyone have any information on availability of women at/near this hotel?

Is it really as easy as many have indicated to hook up with freebies? I sometimes don't have the patience for the hit-or-miss nature of freebie hunting, so enjoy the availability of SPs when I travel. What's the best way to go for P4P in Odessa?

Thanks!

Doctor_Skank
04-29-05, 09:59
I arrived in Odessa yesterday after a fantastic two day trip to Kiev... pictures and a report follow on that in a day or two...

But first some info on Odessa.

After arrival at the airport and a hassle even getting to Odessa... the flight was overbooked and I almost didnt get on even though I had a business class ticket... I checked into my apartment and slept a little... my mind was still totally pre-occupied with the women I had had in the last few days... swirling images of sex and passion in my head were making conscious logical thought almost impossible.

I had a couple of phone numbers from the internet, so I decided to call my candidate B... a girl named Elena (what else) that works for some property developer here. We met at Fidel, a well-known somewhat overpriced bar on Deribasovskaya right next to the recently opened McDonalds. Elena brought her girlfriend Oksana, an average looking girl who was leaving the next day to Belgium to meet her fiancee. Poor guy. Oksana is an absolute know-it-all hyper-patriotic Ukrainian farm wench and proceeded to tell me everything about America and world politics, bringing out every clichee her simpleton mind could muster up... the focus being that Americans are stupid. I got annoyed and countered with some clichees of my own... like how all Ukrainian men are sloven drunks and all Ukrainian women cost $100... looking her directly into the eyes and implying that essentially the same was true of her. She soon shut up. I am usually very diplomatic in social situations but she was just pissing me off. At some point I just stopped talking to her at all. I really feel sorry for the Belgian guy importing this annoying broad. And she is getting fat too. All that Belgian chocolate and beer is going to plump her right up. She may not eat or drink it though, because of course the best chocolate and beer actually comes from the Ukraine. Uh huh.

Anyway, following this distraction I concentrated on my date, average in the face but with a very sexy slender body and a sexy ass. We held hands and after leaving the bar I walked her to the taxi and got some face time before sending her on her way. I am meeting her again tonight and am sure I will fuck her. So sure that in fact I'll probably strike out... :)

After that I hooked up with an American I met on the plane and we went to Palladium, a large modern disco-casino. Quite decent and the music was tolerable. At least they played chart music and not the usual mind-numbing techno-fied remixes. Decent talent, but only decent... nothing mind-blowing. Most of it occupied by local flatheads. Some pro action, they wanted a laughable $300. I scored some telephone numbers from a couple of teens and we left. Both of us had now decided to go with the pro option. Deciding to take a chance, we asked the taxi driver. He recommended avoiding the tochka down by the seaport since it was run by "criminals". Oh really?

We told him we wanted two hot chicks for $100 each. He made some calls and waited next to yet another McDonalds. The girls showed, but were merely average. It was late, so we chose two and went home.

My girl and I stopped at the Irish pub on Deribasovskaya for a drink and she explained that in the summer girls working there (including her) charge $100 an hour. Considering the fact that this girl was not hot it was very overpriced... as was my $100/3 hours.

We went to my pad and kissed and groped each other before getting down to business. She blew me (with condom) and I poked her awhile before she had to go to the bathroom. After about 5 minutes I went in there to drag her out and she was standing in front of the sink as if she had thrown up. She told me she was sick and pregnant... again. She already had 2 kids from her previous husband. A drunk.

I tried to fuck her again but she was resisting and distraught. I kicked her out. She gave me her number and told me I could call her in the afternoon and fuck her for free. Not sure if I'll do that.

So much for clichees about drunk Ukrainian men, $100 Ukrainian girls and stupid Americans. On this night all were true.

Hope my luck is better tonight...

MarcoMan
05-04-05, 09:22
Bush is coming to Riga tomorrow, so I wisely decided to arrange a trip to Odessa for the weekend (Old Town Riga wil be closed).

I would be happy to hook up with any fellow monger who is in Odessa during these days.

Doctor_Skank
05-11-05, 20:14
Although I had a great time in Odessa a couple of weeks ago, I did have two "less than positive" experiences. The first was the non-performing pro I mentioned in a previous post. The single worst dud I have had in too many years of mongering and chasing skirts.

The second was a promising date with a cute blonde... that gave me an inside look at the marriage agency aspect of Odessa. It was both intriguing and depressing. But mostly just ridiculous.

It all began at Fidel...

While meeting Lena the internet freebie at Fidel I had spotted a pair of blondes. They were striking blondes… the kind that enter a room and everybody looks. Not necessarily better-looking than other girls, but just skilled at presenting themselves in a man-pleasing way.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

I took note of them but was engaged in Lena and couldn’t switch targets at this point, I was too close to the kill. Nonetheless, while carrying on conversation with Lena I observed the two blondes and watched two French sailors, remarkably handsome guys, approach the girls and buy them drinks. The Frenchmen thought they were making progress. They weren’t. They were just buying girls drinks.

I made a mental note of the girls appearance, got the check and headed home to my apartment. After poking Lena I took her home and I zoomed off to the club. Thankfully Lena had to work the next day, allowing me a double op.

That night at Palladium, I spotted the two blondes I had seen in Fidel. I couldn’t approach them then, because I was working over Lena the freebie, whom I ended up banging in a very memorable session about 45 minutes into our second date.

But now here they were again. Alone. In the same outfits as before.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

Before I could approach them, they were gobbled up by some Russian guys and invited to sit in the VIP couches surrounding the dance floor.

These were popular girls… like I said, dressed up in that gaudy getup that all men seem attracted to.

Figuring the girls would be occupied for awhile, I refocused on other girls and gathered a number from a girl I would meet the next afternoon.

But it was getting late (early) now and I spotted the blondes at the bar, fianlly alone again. I decide to employ my tactical skills and I approached the blonde I preferred… I was drawn like a moth to a flame by hair straight blonde hair. I went up to her and announced in my best Russian:

“I remember you from Fidel. I want to see you again. Let’s meet tomorrow. What’s your number?”

She instantly told me the number and her name, Nastya.

I said, “Ok, see you tomorrow.” And left.

At that point I was certain that my ploy was working. Not overdoting. Remaining mysterious. Later I would learn later that that my tactic had functioned perfectly. Up to this point, I was doing very well.

Day 2:

After an afternoon date and some kissing that led nowhere from the girl met at the club last night, I met Nastya at Fidel. Fidel isn’t my favorite place, but it is convenient and everybody knows where it is. Blonde Nastya spoke zero English… generally a good sign that she isn’t spoiled and hasn’t had a western boyfriend before.

Conversation is dry however… so dry that I began to wonder if Nastya is either uninterested or just stupid.

Actually, it was probably a combination of any number of factors, a significant one being my Russian, which though capable of holding conversation isn’t good enough to carry an entire conversation all by myself over a long period of time. So I gave Nastya the benefit of the doubt. I often give attractive blondes the benefit of the doubt. I'm like that.

Just as things were really drying up a stunning girl enters the bar and joins us. The new girl was much prettier than Nastya. New girl is about 1,78m tall, thin but not bony, jet black hair, green eyes and a delightfully structured face with a captivating smile. Unlike the goofy looking blondes with their pushed up tits and glossy pink lipstick, the new girl was classy, she knew how to dress and was simply beautiful…

The conversation heats up as I flirt with the new girl, Yulia.

Yulia is a model.
Yulia is smart.
Yulia is beautiful.
Yulia is a TV correspondent.
Yulia has a boyfriend.
Yulia is out of reach.
Yulia is still more interesting than the Blonde.

I convince the girls to come to my apartment, hoping that showing my nice apartment off will impress them. Nastya was impressed… Yulia thought it was “nice” meaning “tacky”. Like I said… Yulia had taste… and she was right about the tackiness…

After a drink at Buffalo 99 in which I was able to start touching Nastya’s hand and holding it intermittently, we part ways with Yulia. Yulia and I had gotten along really well… but she had to go.

My date is going well, the super babe is gone and we decide to have a drink at the Irish pub… which I don’t mind since it is conveniently located close to my apartment… that is really all there is positive to say about the Irish pub.. except maybe also that it has a pool table and $100/hour pros in the summer. Like I said, not much positive to say about this Irish pub.

We sit in the corner and by this time I am holding Nastyona’s hand… and figuring I was making progress according to schedule… it was now just a matter of getting her alone, after dark, in my apartment. I wanted to avoid a club at all costs… it seems to me this would be a waste of time…. It was my last night and getting too late to activate other options, so my best option was to push Nastya until she folds… or if it becomes apparent that she isn’t going to, end the date cordially to set her up for a later trip and go to a club alone and pursue new options.

Suddenly her blonde friend arrived. The same blonde from when we first met and the same one from the club. Blonde friend was styled up the same way she had been the previous night. Cheap and chic. Like many suppose a Ukrainian girl is supposed to look.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

Her face was ok in that kitten sort of way, but nothing extraordinary. Still, sitting with the two blondes I was getting a lot of jealous stares. Or maybe they just knew something I didn’t?

The conversation that ensued was classic, one of the most interesting… and demeaning… that I have been in a long time.

Blonde friend: You like Nastya? She is beautiful Ukrainian girl. She is model.

Skank: I know. She is very beautiful. (I’m lying…she’s cute, but not more)

Blonde friend: Beautiful girls need beautiful things. Beautiful girls must make themselves always look beautiful.

Skank: Uh… I suppose.

Blonde friend: There is a new shop down the street. There are nice clothes. Like Prada. Nastya needs new clothes. She is very beautiful, but she needs more beautiful things. Do you want Nastya to look beautiful?

Skank: Nastya looks beautiful as she is.

Blonde friend: Nastya wants to be beautiful. You will buy Nastya clothes now, yes? The shop closes in 30 minutes. There isn’t much time.

Skank: I don’t want to go shopping, I want to talk to Nastya and get to know her.

Blonde friend looks at me slyly.

Blonde friend: You don’t want to buy Nastya clothes?! You don’t care how Nastya looks? Nastya is nr.1 model in Odessa. She is nr.1. She does not talk to many men. She has only had 1 man before. She likes you.

Skank: I like her too.

Blonde friend: I am getting married. My husband is from Mississippi. He is very rich. He bought me this dress. $2000. I will have his baby.

Skank: Congratulations. What a lucky guy.

Blonde friend: Yes, he buys me many things. See my watch and this ring? It is important that a man buy his woman many things. She must always look beautiful. Do you want your woman to look beautiful?

Skank: Of course, every man is proud when other men look at his woman and see how beautiful she is. I like beautiful girls.

Blonde friend periodically translates for Nastya, who is following the conversation with interest. Blonde friend scoots closer to me. And stares intensely into my eyes.

Blonde friend: You will buy Nastya clothes at shop now, yes?

Skank: I just met Nastya! I certainly will be very good to her if she is my girl, I can be very generous… buy her presents, take her on holidays… I can be very generous, but I must at least know her first. I want to get to know Nastya.

Blonde friend. I see. Nastya needs to go to hairdresser. It costs $200. Is that a lot of money for you?

Skank: No, its not.

Blonde friend: You will give Nastya money for hairdresser, yes?

Skank: No.

Blonde friend: Why not, do you not want Nastya to look beautiful? Do you expect her to wait for you?

Skank: I just met Nastya a few hours ago. I don’t ”expect” her to do anything.

At this point I realize I am going to lose this battle, but continue.

Blonde friend: My girlfriend Oksana has a man from Italy. He loves Oksana. He came to Odessa last week and bought her a dress. $8000.

Skank: Good for her.

Blonde friend: Yes, he loves her very much. I can see that. She will not see other men now I think. She will wait for him. But she does not have sex with him yet. Nastya will not have sex with you. I did not have sex with my man for 9 months. Then he visited me 6 times. Now I know he loves me. I will have has baby. He lives in Mississippi.

Skank: Lucky guy. You’re gonna love Mississippi. Its like Odessa. You’ll fit in just nicely with the American girls there.

Blonde friend: What? American girls are fat.

Skank: Yes, they will be jealous of you and probably hate you.

Blonde friend: I know. It is true.

30 seconds of blissful silence.

Blonde friend: Nastya will need many beautiful things if she is to wait for you.

Skank: Nastya can do what she wants. She can wait if she chooses. What are you anyway, Nastya’s agent? A contract negotiator?

Blonde friend: I want to help Nastya. She does not speak English well. She needs things. And I want her to shut up. After she meets you in club she does not shut up about you, she calls you her prince. “He is so beautiful. He is prince.” I cant hear it anymore.

Skank: I’m not a prince.

Suddenly Nastya speaks….English. We are all shocked.

Nastya: I want write you SMS, but my phone only write Russian. See?

She shows me the phone.

Skank: Write me in Russian, I can read it.

Nastya: I want learn English.

Blonde friend: Nastya needs to learn English. English lessons cost $100. You will give Nastya English lessons, yes?

Skank: Sure, I’ll give Nastya English lessons.

Blonde friend: Ha ha. I mean you will give her $100 for English lessons, yes?

Skank: Whatever. Listen. If I am going to give Nastya anything, it will be in private. And not with her “agent” around negotiating.

Blonde friend: Nastya will need money for phone card, to write you SMS. It is expensive for her…

Skank: Check please!

Believe it or not, this conversation went on like this for at least another 20 minutes and at one point even became heated. Finally I gave up, gave Nastya about 100 grv for taxi and a phone card told her I’d call her or write next time I am in Odessa.

Although in theory I was interested in pursuing Nastya further, it was my last night and I certainly wasn’t going to waste it buying Nastya and her friends drinks all night in the hope that I might get a peck on the cheek or even a real kiss for my efforts. Had I been able to maneuver myself free to be alone with Nastya I may have done better… or maybe not. In any case, I wasn’t going to get a chance, she was well guarded.

I was doing well until her “agent” came to negotiate a better deal for her. I can’t decide if her agent was actually protecting her friend’s interests or not… after all, all I really wanted to do was get Nastya into bed and her "agent" certainly prevented that.

Mr Marcus
05-12-05, 05:45
Dr Skank,

You are a WSG legend. That was so funny, but kinda of sad. Really shows the lack of respect for men some girls have.

Bettinip
05-12-05, 13:08
MangusMan,

Sei italiano?

Jackmiov
05-13-05, 17:45
Doc,

I always enjoy your reports. I am relieved that it is not just me that ukrainian women think is stupid enough to pay their bills for them. I love the way it always starts with clothes, then english lessons, she missed out books but came up with the old favorite phonecard. I'm sure if you would have stayed one of their Mothers would have been in dire need of a $500 operation to save her life. Its the suprise on their face when you refuse that tells me that they must be successful with silly men that arent as tight as me. I am back in Kiev in July and would like to buy you a beer and hear some of the stories you havent had the time to write on here.

Jack.

Doctor_Skank
05-13-05, 23:55
Jackmiov,

I am a fairly seasoned Moscow vet and even in the high-octane center of the fashion-obsessed greedy Moscow world I have yet to been the focus of such blatant gold digging... and this wasnt the only case of such encounters in my various trips to Odessa.

I recall two occassions last summer where girls were obviously trying to play me for money or gifts.

I love to buy girls drinks... if I like them. But rarely have I had girls aggresively approach me and say "buy me drink!"... no, I didnt miss out on some form of aggressive flirting... the girls really only wanted to get a drink and run. I became more selective in my drink donations and eventually scored. Another common thing is for girls to meet guys in front of the disco on a "date" and then disappear as soon as the suitor paid the $10 entrance fee. Didnt happen to me... I was warned by a friend.

I also remember approaching a girl and asking her name and receiving an icey "buy me rose!" as a reply. I left her standing there. Rose-less.

That said, if you apply some counter-psychology and develop your targeting skills, you can do really well there. The girls are naturally sexy and fantastic in bed. My experience with pros in Odessa was absolute shit, but the freebies I've had and the Odessan girls I've had in Kiev are all 110% in the sack.

They like sex a bit rough and dirty and must go to some special school for sucking cock or something... they have great technique. They get the right mix of hand and mouth, right amount of sloppy wetness and obscene slurping sounds and even remember to look at you when they are sucking you.

Irish Lad
05-14-05, 02:56
Hi guys.

It seems that Odessa is starting to really hot up!

I'm there from the 18th May until the 25th except for the 21st when I fly up to Kiev as I finally got tickets for the Eurovision. Sad I know but there you go.

Judging by what I see here I really better perform next week. I've lined up 8 dates for my trip with only 7 nights and I can't let the side down.

Had some of the "don't forget to bring present" replies to my letters but filed them quickly under "B" for bin. Having sorted out the "looking for man to take care of my 3 children" responses I hope I'm left with some serious potential. Of course I also have my notes from here in case or when I strike out.

I gotta have a looky lou at the "shoppers" for sport. I too can be generous but there is a line between player and mug! Dresses for several grand falls so far to the mug side I can't believe they keep trying.

So good hunting to all here who will be in Odessa over the next few weeks- it seems quite a crowd is gathering.

Anyone looking for a 40 year old wingman with no shame at all please PM me before Tuesday evening.

Irish lad

Doctor_Skank
05-14-05, 21:31
IL:

You picked a good time of year to visit the Black Sea... I love late May... beach clubs are just opening, girls are fresh, everybody is in the mood to party and the late summer "I hate tourists" effect has yet to set in among the locals.

As for the gold diggers, I think some of them are maliciously doing so, others innocent in the sense that they are just taking what a lot of Western men so easily give up.

A friend of mine, an American, was casually looking for a wife and dating marriage agency girls. By the way, the agencies earn like $800-1000 dollars for every fiancee visa or trip to the US that the girls make. Anyway he was appalled at the quality of most girls.

Obviously nothing like the pictures.. some better but most worse... he found most of the girls were clueless about the nature of the business. Most just wanted free dinner and maybe a present, even if just small. Sex out of the question. When he asked the girls if they would move to the US or asked them what they expected from an agency-arranged marriage the girls seemed largely clueless... they hadnt even considered moving out of the Ukraine.

In any case, be on your toes in Odessa... I think you'll save yourself a lot of time and money if you screen the girls well and focus on those ones where you see the most promise.

Irish Lad
05-15-05, 04:09
Thank you Dr Skank for the advice below. Having read your report from Kiev I can see that the Ante for my trip has been raised several notches.

I have eliminated some as mentioned before and am now left with the "keep Friday free for me" or "keep Thursday free" crew. Some replies involved the girl moving in with me for a week! Sounds too much like a girlfriend for me.

I'm hoping I'm now left with some serious potential. Like your comments from Kiev I have the "bankers" in the bars or am prepared to go freestyle if my dates don't work out. Either way I'm expecting lots of fun.

Full reports upon my return unless I get the time and energy to update while there.

Irish Lad

Cruiser D
05-23-05, 14:27
From the prices you were quoted for all those 'gifts' - where you in Odessa or South Beach, I got confused. ;)

You are right tho, that was a classic. All they left out was the sick mother. Sometimes experiences like these are worth the price of admission, it's like watching a bad movie you get to be in.


Although I had a great time in Odessa a couple of weeks ago, I did have two "less than positive" experiences. The first was the non-performing pro I mentioned in a previous post. The single worst dud I have had in too many years of mongering and chasing skirts.

(great narrative deleted)

Irish Lad
05-27-05, 14:58
Hello all,

Just returned from a week in Odessa and 1 night in Kiev. I'm still in shock so I hope this report makes sense.

Arrived with full tanks and arranged to meet Dina/Diana whose number I got from here. Met her near the Opera building at 6pm where she introduced me to 2 very good looking girls. I of course had to take both for the night at $100 each. 4 shots with some "semi lesbian" action later and I called it quits and they went home at about 1am.

It turns out she has several girls who wait along the boulevard for introductions from her.

The following evening I met a girl down near the monument by Londonsky hotel who wanted to practise her English with me. We went to Fidels for a few drinks and after, while walking her home, she asked if I had any drink in my apartment. I said the magic word "corona" and she dragged me back to my place for a very satisfactory night of passion. The shock started here as I really put so little effort in to this. A few drinks, a few compliments on her appearance and English and I had a result!

The following night I arranged to meet Elena from a dating site in the Irish bar for a drink. We had some dinner and then she wanted to go dancing. Off to Arkadia for us. I said I had never heard of it so she gave me the tour but we ended up in Ibiza. Don't bring dates here. Ever.

Over the next 3 hours I collected over 20 phone numbers from girls there. All stunners. The only problem is I can't remember which is which. I have no idea whether they were working and if so how much they were charging but I had now found paradise. Elena knew people there and so she flitted from me to them all night leaving me free to meet the most beautiful collection of women I have ever seen "under 1 roof" if you know what I mean.

Got talking to a Russian girl called Anna whom I had met on my flight down to Odessa. By this stage Elena was getting very jealous so she stuck to me like glue after that. Now full of confidence to the point of cockiness, I told Elena that Anna wanted to come home with me and Elena immediately grabbed my hand and said "we go". We took a taxi back to my place without discussion at all. I felt now like a prize which was the strangest feeling ever.

3 nights and 2 freebies and 2 pros.

Saturday night was Kiev for the Eurovision. I took a date there from another dating site. A gorgeous looking girl with a fantastic body. She stayed the night with me but I promised her she would be safe in my bed. She was! I was exhausted and I gained loads of points for my next visit.

I returned to Odessa on Sunday which I'll report about later.

Bye

Irish Lad
05-27-05, 17:52
Hi again,

Returned to Odessa about 5pm and confirmed a date with Elena2 from a dating site. met her in the Irish bar for a drink, a walk along the boulevard followed by dinner in a small restaurant on Ekaterina st.

Elana2 was more interested in herself than anything else. A good looking girl but well below the quality of many other girls here in Odessa. She wanted to go dancing! Guess where? Arkadia. I told her I'd never been there before and we ended up in Itaka. Being wet and Sunday it wasn't that busy so I now had to concentrate on my date. She was hard work but I felt I could crack it and after a few drinks. ice cream and a couple of dances i thought I was in. Wrong!

I tried to hold her hand....No.
I tried to kiss her....No way.
I asked her whether or not she liked me as I told her that I really liked her.
"A little" she replied as she ordered another martini. When it arrived I asked for the check to her surprise, I paid it with an "obvious and generous" tip to the waitress and kissed her on the cheek as I said goodnight. The look on her face was more than worth the money I had spent on her that night.

I jumped in to a taxi after negotiating my way down to 25hrivnas even though it's only 10/15.

The taxi man asked if I wanted any girls and I said yes! Went to a sauna in a sports arena to meet 3 girls and chose Alla for $50. She was a little cold but I didn't really care as I was going to be twice as cold to her if her attitude didn't change.

Back in my apartment she sat down while I got her a beer, lit her cigarette and treated her like a lady which she really wasn't. In an instant she perked up and was really really friendly. I got some terriffic sex including OWO and she really enjoyed sticking her tongue way up my ass!!! I didn't even ask for it. Great result to an otherwise bad night.

Even though I had lined up some other dates for the Monday and Tuesday, the Elena2 experience had put me right off the idea.

By now i was getting texts from Dina and others looking to meet but I decided to fly freestyle tonight. Ended up having a few in the Irish bar and was heading home when I came across an American guy with 3 women.

I hadn't realised they were all together when I asked 1 of the girls where the action was in this town. The man replied "Arkadia, more women than you could handle". The girls wanted to go there but the guy was tired so I ended up taking 3 girls to "Arkadia" ignoring my own advice. However it turned out they were great fun, drank 1 beer for every 10 dances instead of the Irish way of 10 beers to 1 dance.

Swopped mobile numbers and I'm meant to be meeting Luda in Kiev next week but I can't tell which number is hers!

My last night being Tuesday I just had a bite and a few drinks sitting outside the Irish bar...again.

I had read here that there was little action here so I was kind of saving myself from myself so to speak.

Wrong!

Beside me was an attractive brunette who asked if I was alone. I kept up the conversation for a while until this stunner of a blonde walked by and sat inside the bar near the window. I went inside and asked her to join me. She thought about it for about 1 second and agreed.

A few drinks later we agreed the price of $100 for the night to include OWO.
She came back to my apartment and finished me off with a fantastic blow job swallowing it all with kisses all over me afterwards. A perfect end to my trip.

I'll be back!

Member #2492
05-28-05, 06:57
I don't won't to spoil your fun. I was planning to go to odessa myself this summer, but I've changed my mind in the meantime.

The movie "We don`t want to die like this. AIDS in Odessa" from Karsten Hein
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There's also an english version:

www.aids-ukraine.com/index_e.html

http://www.unaids.org/en/default.asp

There is a AIDS/HIV epidemy in Ukraine according to WHO and other sources.

Russia is #1 with over 850,000 infected people (last year report).

The annual increase is 40% as average for Eastern Europe countries.

Safe sex and HIV detection portable kit are the way to go IMHO.

Besides even a girl you will meet in your local place can carry something nasty. No need to go to Eastern Europe for that.

Later

Felix Nordic
05-28-05, 07:49
Hey Irish!

Very nice reports! Thanks! I envy your luck! I didnt do that well in Kiev for sure!

Good luck with the hunting!

Felix

Irish Lad
05-28-05, 17:20
Hi Felix

Thanks for the compliment.

When you hit Odessa it will be a lot easier than Kiev I think.

Some advice if you like:

1. Go to Ibiza. You will get more attention than you can handle. Be a bit flash but no need to be buying everyone drinks.

2. Don't bother with the dating sites. When I arrived at Ibiza with Elena I regretted it although it turned out fine. Although there were 40/50 better looking girls there.

3. Learn a few words in Russian. That really helped me as it meant I was trying and the girls were more than willing to help with more words. I bought an English/Russian translation book for tourists which either got giggles from the silly girls or attention from the serious ones.

And good luck! I will be back there around the 19th July.

In the meantime I will be in Kiev from the 4th to the 7th June. I will see which is better.

Take care.

Bez Bezarra
05-30-05, 12:54
Safe sex and HIV detection portable kit are the way to go IMHO.


Later[/QUOTE]


I was sent a "new" girl, who had been lightly quizzed about
the unusual "marks" all over her hands by the mamachka,
and the mamachka was I guess duped by the dyev's
"Its my koshka, my koshka! (cat scratches)," excuse.

This dyev was just average, dark curly hair, decent boobs
with no bra, pretty bad acne, and not one single needle
mark on the inner areas of her elbows where one normally
shoots up hard drugs.

However, there were plenty of "old" looking injection
sites/bruises on her hands, wrists, and other parts of her arms.
She gave me the exact same story about her cat, that they
were all scratches from her enthusiastic kitty.

Sorry, not buyin' it! A few more disbelieveing looks from me and
she started getting fidgety, the wheels in her head turning that
her cat scratch story isn't working to get her the next fix. I talked
to her very calmly and when she saw that I was absolutely
not fooled by her lies, she agreed to give up a drop of blood
for an OraQuick test.

15 minutes later, she wasn't the least bit surprised to see that she is HIV
positive, rather instead she argued that the test was wrong. I just told
her Well, ok then, you really must go to clinic now and have the test
repeated to confirm if it is correct or not. She said she would, but my
guess is that she took the 20 hrivnas I gave her for taxi to her junkie
boyfriend for her next cook up. I looked her in the eye and tried to
make her hear me that "Rabota syex y muschina smyerts!" Well, who
knows if I got through to her.

Doctor_Skank
05-30-05, 22:14
Bez Bezarra:

Very cool new name...

Irish Lad:

Loved the report... its inspiring! I reported on Arkadia last year about this time... I had a great time at Luxor and Itaka as well, but Ibiza is the hottest place now...

I was in Odessa about a month ago, before the beach season opened... really just 2 weeks too early...

Hedonist
05-31-05, 14:46
Irish Lad:

Which dating sites did you use for Ukraine? For Russia, I had very succesful results with love.mail.ru and omen.ru. Is there a site specific to Ukraine?

Irish Lad
05-31-05, 17:00
Hi

I used luckylovers.net

It's a pay site but has good features.

Mainly Russia and Ukraine women here.

I tried FF for a couple of months but only 1 contact from here.

AFF is a wate of time. Nobody seems to use it.

I tried omen but only got a couple of one off replies.

The best tactic is to contact them 10/14 days before you go as that means your're "in play" so to speak.

I'll check out some others in the meantime.

Best of luck

Mr Marcus
06-01-05, 15:50
Just thought you would like to know, that the new Ms Universe is originally from Odessa. She has been living in Canada for ten years and won the title representing Canada.

Delgado
06-02-05, 15:34
I´ve just decided to squeeze in one week Odessa vacation mid july between my trips to Varna and Riga this summer. I was just wondering what would be the better location for renting an apartment, close to Arcadia or Deribasovskaya street?

William3
06-02-05, 19:22
Renting apartment:

I would prefer deribasovskastreet.

Nice to live there, stroll a little bit etc.

Going to Arcadia: just take a taxi but I would not choose to live there.

Willam3

Rain City
06-04-05, 14:49
First of all, after my previous report in Kiev section, I received several PMs, and they all offered me to help out talking with girls. They were all from Russian speaking guys. Some, if not all of your intentions might have been genuine. But I decided to be descriminating, since all of them came from members with very limited posting history. So, thank you all, and sorry for not getting back to you.

In any case, here is my Odessa report.

I hit several different places. Ibiza, Itaka (Arkadia), Palladium and Irish Pub, just to name a few.

Let's start with Arkadia beach. Since my visit was during the week, both Ibiza and Itaka were somehow slow. Girl/guy ratio was about 1:1, and I only spotted just 2 or 3 9s at each clubs. And they all came with guys (kind of mafia type in black suits even in near 30 C temperature).

I tried to approached 7 - 8s in Arkadia. It was pityfully the same story and I eventually found it amuzing. I could predict the outcome even before I started it. I look at the girl, and she looks me back. I smile at her and she smiles me back. So I go and talk to her and we can talk (in English) for a few minutes. Then, dead stop. She does not understand what I am saying, and I do not understand what she is trying to say. And soon, we go separate ways...

In Palladium, there were some pro action. Most of them were around the bar area. They spoke straightforward English and no room for mistakes (i.e. $100 for one hour). There were some cute non pro girls there too, and finally I found someone who spoke decent English. It was my last night in Odessa and although I got her phone number, I do not know if I will ever go back...

I spotted some pros at the Irish pub also. They were attractive blonds (7 - 7.5 range), and the guy sitting next to my table approached them and took both for take out service. Good for him.

Previous information about tochika in front of the sea port is correct. Girls stand outside of the bar, starting around 9 PM. Most of them were 4 - 5 range, but I saw a couple of 6 - 7 also. Even during the daytime, when the bar was closed, there were some girls sitting in front of the bar. I went to talk to them and sure enough, they were available. They quoted me $50 for 2 hours and $100 for 4 hours. I think they were trying to charge me the tourist price, and local price should be a lot less than that.

I was also approached by a girl around 9 PM in front of the opera house. She was about 4 and I turned her down.

Thanks to Irish Lad, I contacted Dina/Diana and met her girls. They were all above 7 and looked much better than the girls at RP in Kiev. Price was significant less also.

One evening around 9 PM, I saw 2 of Dina's girls standing in front of the opera house. I do not know if they were waiting for some client to meet, or soliciting....

Overall, my trip to Ukraine was fine. I just wish I could have spoken Russian/Ukrainian. I am sure my success rate was much higher.

Buck Naked
06-08-05, 00:51
Just got back from a seven-day stay in Odessa.

I saw hundreds of beautiful women in the bars and on the streets, although this was not representative of the marriage socials I attended which were much, much weaker.

Went to Arkadia on what I think was the last day of school for high school students. So, everyine looked 16-19. At 35, I really stood out. The ratio was about 1:1 with many girls there with their boyfriends.

I am not good in bars, whether in USA or Ukraine - I'm just not. So, don't go by me, but I didn't meet any young lovelies.

I did bang one hooker (outcall). She was only average, and the hotel gave me a REAL hard time about it, so I didn't repeat.

My suggestion is to learn some of the language and just go over. Hit the bars and clubs at Arkadia. All-in-all, a little disappointing.

MagicTouch
06-13-05, 12:49
Posting the following glorious adventure with a delay of some months, I may have been shy so far or maybe the sadness of a Monday morning induces me to share my allelujas with the valuable WSG crowd.

It was after a short (but not very short) business trip to Odessa. Flight back home was scheduled via Budapest, with a short stopover. At the airport in Odessa, at least 4 stunners waiting for boarding on my flight, but I'm always very calm in these locations, so nothing particular happened. Same on the flight to Budapest.

The only reportable thing about this flight was its significant delay. Direct check-in had not been an option, so I had to check-in again for the new flight. But when I got to the appropriate desk I found out that the connection flight was already gone.

While I was still looking for an effective philosophical approach to digest this inconvenience, another passenger emerges from the mists of the terminal, candidly cultivating the illusion of joining just THAT connection flight. That was the moment when I understood beyond any reasonable doubt that the following hours may well have been under the light of phisiology rather than philosophy. The lost passenger was an Ukrainian girl, top-model type, 1.75 tall, some 50 Kg weight, blond, face coming out from the pencil of a genius dreamer. She showed the highest discomfort to the breaking news that the flight was gone and, probably, she would have to wait for the next flight scheduled ... the morning after! I could have ignored her unrealistic beauty (could I ;-)), but I could have never ever kept insensitive to her psychological discomfort. Too easy to play the role of the wise, reassuring experienced man ready to guide her in the twists and turns of that prikljuchenie ...

I was to discover later that I was not a perfect stranger to the girl. During the exceedingly long waiting time before boarding, she had not overlooked my person. She noticed my red shoes (a Russian cannot simply get there - she said), combined with orange trousers and a blue blazer. She said to me that she had been having phantasies about my chatting her up. Needless to say, she had not shown a least of it and, obviously, I had not significantly overcome a mental condition irrevocably tuned on the setting "I-would-like-but-no-way"

We spent some 2 hours in the transit area, while the Malev staff was trying hard to kill the party and find us a seat on some other plane that night. I immediately actioned the best of my Italian dating skills to get her full attention and make it warmer and warmer. As minutes went by, we found out that the idea of having to wait till morning wouldn't be that fatal disaster after all ;-) She originated from Odessa but lived in my country studying art, not without a boyfriend (f***ing lucky bastard - hereafter named the Pirla). The Pirla was waiting for her at the destination airport and it was not without some sadic satisfaction that I gave her my mobile phone to call him and make him aware of the ineluctable fact that he was not going to enjoy the warmth of her slim body that night!!

My dating action proceeded excellently, and when Malev told us that no chance, we had to wait till the next morning, we accepted the news with a total lack of discomfort ...

We were offered a free accomodation in Budapest, but obviously I did not seriously consider the option of spending there the night. At this moment the feeling was on an accelerated growth path and I played the best of my cards. I happen to have a satisfactory knowledge of Budapest by night, in addition I've got an excellent, experienced friend who is a real personality, an amazing winner and an irresistible entertainer. I called him and we met at his restaurant. He was with a girlfriend and they were very effective in substantially contributing to further improve the athmosphere. After a good meal, good wine and a funny converstation in Russian-English-Italian-Hungarian the girl's mood was perfect. While the Pirla was consuming his nerves in frustration at a sufficient distance not to be noxious the least, I offered the Beauty a romantic tour of Budapest under the stars. It was impossible for her not to take my hand while watching the river from the castle on the hill. The lights of the night smiled in the calm stream of the river, the moon covered our souls with its white warm blanket, and her hand held mine in a clear foreplay of nascent passion.

But the first kiss had still to wait. I played another winning card and asked our friends to drive us to the most hidden and coolest disco-club in Budapest - seriously underreported in this forum BTW. That place delivered her "the best fun since ages", drinks music and nice crowd made her completely crazy, with the not negligible contribution of sentences from me like "you see, men come to Budapest from all over the world to look at the local beauties, and I've got eyes only for you", or, while kissing her hands, "Hey, you take people close to God with these hands and I've got the chance to kiss them!"

For the Kiss I chose the following: after dancing nose-to-nose with the Beauty for a long time that went by in a breath's instant, I asked my local friend to ask the DJ to play Strangers in the Night, and the deed was completed on the words " ... told me I must have youuuuuu ..."

There was an Irish guy sitting at our table and watching my sweet-and-soft handkissing on her wondering what movie he was being an accidental non-guest star of, I spent 30 seconds explaining him that "we have missed the same flight". His face sunk in astonishment is one of the funny memories of that night. Coupled with the show of local girls approaching her to give her five in congratulation for the man she was with ;-))

At something like 3.30 am we decided that we needed some rest and left that place. We had got 2 different rooms (although the reception clerk, with a significant insight into the future, had proposed to let us share a double room ...), but using both was not a serious option so I took her to hers and "forgot" to leave. We had already shared agreement on the fact that sex on the first date is not an elegant option, so I offered her a relaxing massage, which she gladly accepted.

She will remember that massage forever. First, I set my mobile's alarm clock at 4.30, since Malev was supposed to pick us up at 5 o'clock. Then I gave her the massage, that was slowly but inexorably converted step by step from genuinely relaxing into slightly sexy, and finally genuinely sexy. Remembering that she was an artist, I played another super-card consisiting in the strategy of feeding more than just one of her senses at a time. So while my hands stimulated her white and soft back's skin, I chose a very musical poem from my country's literature and whispered it into her ears ... La Pioggia nel Pineto by D'Annunzio (a big fucker BTW!!) did not fail to perform at top levels ;-) ... "piove sulle tamerici salmastre ed arse, piove sui mirti scagliosi ed irti, piove sui pini divini; sulle ginestre fulgenti di fiori accolti, sui ginepri folti di coccole aulenti ..." those words gave satisfaction to her artist's ear, while my hands began to make nascent promises to the perfect shapes of her model's butt. She began to cry, meaning with tears, not yelling (ambiguity of the English language)

I was not very horny, because I had poked 6 times in the last 3 days with 4 different Ukrainian beauties (including a demanding threesome with 2 devilesses in the rest-times of a business session in a sauna!!!), and at my age ;-) you know how to make yourself happy with the bare indispensable ... so I did not look for my share of the game, but focussed on giving her hot youth's hormons some necessary relief ... I accessed her pissy form behind, finding a geyser-like hot lake of excitement, enjoying the harmony of that delicious butt and the high-wayal length of those legs, and gave her a serious stimulation in a Wagner's crescendo that ended up in a solid orgasm with vibrating contractions waving like a tsunami from that boiling little sweet pissy all around.

The devil decided to make it even more memorable, because in the very moment when the ... tsunami broke out, my f***ing mobile's alarm clock made its bloody homework, and I found myself in the most stupid situation in the history of mankind ... both my hands were unnegotiably busy with her boiling little sweet etc etc, (yes Sirs, she got a HJ with 10 fingers, fairly distributed by the 2 applicable holes), and since it was impossible, unthinkable, unfeasible to stop them from their action, because THAT action happened to be very much needed ESPECIALLY in the process of completion, I had to accept the idea of listening that sarcastic BEEP-BEEP-BEEP covering the celestial sound of her orgasmic moans. "I heard the drummers drumming" was her comment ;-)

That was it ... after some warm cuddling the go-home procedure began and a couple of hours later we were delivered back to our ordinary lives.

Odessa-girls are simply amazing and Ukraine is the equivalent in the field of love and sex of the USA in the field of business ... the land of unlimited opportunities!!

CA Traveler
06-17-05, 23:26
MT... GREAT STORY! It makes me look forward to my Malev flight into and out of Odessa next month!

It also emphasizes that you cannot be too aggressive with FSU girls because they will usually not approach you and you must be the aggressor and talk to them first. Most American's and some Europeans have been so brow beaten my the fems that most are afraid to make the first move!

MagicTouch
06-22-05, 14:25
CaT,

you will write Malev proposing to (re)name the former "Yukon" and the latter "Klondike" ...

... the closest to a gold mine since the times of the Gold Rush ;-)

CA Traveler
07-13-05, 11:43
Someone was asking about good apartment rental agencies in Odessa...
For my apartment in Odessa, I'm using a guy named Scott, an American owner, at www.odessaflats.com. So far, he has been super... transfers included in the price and he negotiates longer term, 3-4 weeks WAY down. I'll report more when I report on my Odessa stay, but so far he's been great.

CA Traveler
07-14-05, 10:01
I am going to have to cut my trip to Odessa short by a couple of weeks...

If anyone is going to be in Odessa from 21 August to 2 Sept and you are looking for an apartment... I have a newly renovated 1 BR with A/C that I am committed to during that time... PM me and we can discuss it.

Peter the Great
07-17-05, 04:59
Will be in Odessa Sept 21- Oct 2 and would like to try and find a wingman?? Let me know and we can hook up and have some fun

Peter

BayView
07-19-05, 06:05
I will be there 8/25 to 9/5. Just made plans. Got my visa and purchased my tickets. I'm now looking for an apartment. If anyone else is going to be there, let me know.

Later

CA Traveler
07-19-05, 10:01
bv... OK, now I understand your PM! :)

I will be in Odessa from 25 July to around 21 August. My apartment may be available from 21 Aug to 2 Sept, but last I heard it is available for the week after as well. PM me once you have your firm dates and I will PM you when I know for sure if it is available. I should know within a few days... I offered it to one of my friends but they can't let me know for a few days.

emprio
07-20-05, 16:04
I will be in Odessa 23 of August.

I wonder if there is a high quility escort service or a special house instead of the port?

CA Traveler
07-20-05, 21:46
emprio... I am on my way to Odessa tomorrow with a short stop in Dnipropetrovsk, but even though I hesitate to give this to you... Here is the only link that I could find for Odessa...

http://www.odessa-x.com/

With even more hesitation, I reluctantly post one of the girls from the site...

Bez Bezarra
07-21-05, 03:40
The taxi drivers know who to call to hook you up.

Just tell them "Ya hachew dyevochka, nyet ulitsa,
dengi nyet problem, maladoy, sto dollar."

Though you're just as likely to get the $35 hooker
you could have had before you jacked up your
own price to $100. On the other hand , you could
wind up with something special.

Seven or eight o'clock seems to be the prime time
to make a date with a semi-pro, but with the taxis
you're probably still a safe bet up to 11:00PM to get
some skanky bulgarian cum bucket.

Doctor_Skank
07-21-05, 06:53
odessan street pros are the worst i've seen... whether arranged through a taxi or picked up saboi at the morsky port, its skank city. you'll pay between $30-100, but bez is right, invariably what you'll get is the $35 bulgarian circus escapee variety.... with the old price scratched out and replaced by a new price that they figure you are desperate enough to pay. don't expect anything above a 5-6 from the street. at least i've never seen it. more diligent research may yield better results ( it must... right?!)... but i won't be conducting it.

i enjoy fucking prostitutes and normally leave all my moral issues comfortably locked up with my passport in the apartment safe, but admittedly while fucking pros from the port or street in odessa (both pick of the litter "solid" 5s... oh joy) i've asked myself "what the fuck am i doing this for!?" and "how'd she end up here and what happens to a girl to make her so sad/bitter/destroyed/lost/apathetic?". following these encounters and despite use of condoms and avoidance of even remotely dangerous activities i even had myself tested outside of my normal annual test cycle, following the 8 week or so hiv grace period after the encounter. the results were thankfully negative. not a surprise, but still a relief. these girls did freak me out. i avoid these girls like the plague now. they bring no joy. why should they. i doubt there is much joy in their lives. they are cnn special reports waiting to happen.

better off with the classified ads (must speak russian) or the clubs, such as the arkadia complex or palladium, although the limited pro girls there are overpriced (and snotty) at $100+/hour and not rated above a 7... but odessa is right in the middle of tourist season and they get away with these prices.

very doable girls in the 7-8 category can be found at the irish pub on deribasovskaya. not the cheapest at around $100/1-2 hours, they do usually speak passable english and/or are very patient when speaking anglo-russki. probably your easiest odessa option. many of these girls are actually from out of town and only working for the summer....

despite it's tourist town nature, odessa still has a totally underdeveloped pro scene. one reason may be that the marriage bride industry is huge there and that many girls who would normally pursue careers in the horizontal trade instead prefer milking naive cash-cow spend-friendly johns from around the world of their dollars and euros.

or maybe its because odessan girls are so naturally sexy and promiscuous that prostitution is considered more a menial labor position for dumpy moldavan girls who fell off the cattle car on the way to turkey rather than exciting new career perspective for proud leggy odessan dyevki on a one-way pipe-dream trip to international stardom, cocaine-fueled hollywood hot tubs and blowout cote d'azur spend-a-thons. something is missing in the formula for success. the marketing efforts of odessan pimps need some serious assistance.... or maybe odessa simply needs new pimps.

if there is some secret el dorado source of top-grade odessan pros out there, i have yet to find it... but with the availability of sexy women available for (virtually) free in the summer, i admittedly havent been looking very hard for this secret pro source either.

odessa is not a prime pro destination imho, kiev offers more in that department.

odessa is a place for summer fun and traditional hunting methods.

Bez Bezarra
07-21-05, 13:03
Some Odessa ladies from 2003/2004.

From agencies/taxis/newspaper.

No "what the skank-fuck am I doing problems"
since I never went to the port or the hotel bar pros.

What you don't see are the many 5's and 6's that I
asked to please go away and send someone else,
then disappointed to realize there was no one else,
because it was October and the town closes down
pretty early.

My problem wasn't so much the skankiness of the 5's
and 6's, just their downright plain-jane homeliness.
Surrendering the spirirt of true mongerdom to total
mediocrity is just not an option I can accept, at least not after
seeing a more than ample supply of seemingly attainable
spectacular eye candy walking around everywhere every day.

Doctor_Skank
07-21-05, 14:25
Bez:

Be happy you never went to the port.

Still, Odessa is one of my favorite places worldwide... its dirty and sleazy... and sultry and sexy... mysterious and nefarious... welcoming and cozy... all in one. The city is deservedly reputed for both its notorius nature and beautiful sexually gifted women, yet I have not seen a single picture of an Odessan pro, neither from myself, yourself or anyone else on WSG, that would prompt me to list Odessa in my top five pro-mongering destinations EE-wide... or even top 10. The best pro girls I have seen were at the Irish pub... and there is something so decidely unerotic about an Irish pub with its warm swill, hanging smoke, dark woody brewhall interior, stale air and cigarette-pockmarked, beer-stained pool tables that hardly classifies that joint as an entertainment mecca.

Or do you really see Odessa as a prime mongering destination... or am I missing something?

If guys are going there to enjoy the sea and beaches and eye candy and then looking for a p4p option... that's one thing. Pro options limited in quantity and quality in my opinion. They should know.

If they are going there solely to monger the p4p scene, they'd be better off in Kiev IMHO.

Magic1970
07-21-05, 18:36
Someone was asking about good apartment rental agencies in Odessa.

For my apartment in Odessa, I'm using a guy named Scott, an American owner, at www.odessaflats.com. So far, he has been super... transfers included in the price and he negotiates longer term, 3-4 weeks WAY down. I'll report more when I report on my Odessa stay, but so far he's been great.I try to open the site but does not work!

Bye.

Doctor_Skank
07-21-05, 20:27
yeah, it does work. Try again.

http://www.odessaflats.com/

Bez Bezarra
07-22-05, 00:00
Dirty and sleazy?

What could be more so than the port tochka/line up?
Cheap *****s servicing seamen from every arabian
pakistani african and vietnamese ship in the harbor?

It don't think it could get sleazier.

But the rest of the Odeca, as a destination from everywhere
in the FIS, as the only warm water "city" they can afford,
as opposed to Yalta, to travel to, and make some money
hustling by night and being a tourist by day, makes sense.

But a "prime" destination? It really depends on where
the dyevs start out from I guess. Like, it was in Odeca
I banged my first Bulgarian, Tyumen, and half ruski-
half sudanese dyevs. For a strictly part time traveler
like me, yeah, sure, its on my list to go back. If I had
as much time as you, you bastard, I'd be hitting it.

It probably makes sense as much as Moscow, St. Pete and Kiev,
strictly as destinations where cuntry bumpkin girls go to hustle,
makes sense.

As far as rankings, well, you now need to enlighten us all
on your Top Ten EE cunting sanctuaries, seeing as you have
a Ph.D in slavic wanderschlong studies.

Cruiser D
07-22-05, 18:05
Even pro's like to take a vacation...and like most vacationing professionals they don't like to work when they are.



Or do you really see Odessa as a prime mongering destination... or am I missing something?

If guys are going there to enjoy the sea and beaches and eye candy and then looking for a p4p option... that's one thing. Pro options limited in quantity and quality in my opinion. They should know.

If they are going there solely to monger the p4p scene, they'd be better off in Kiev IMHO.

Peter the Great
08-31-05, 00:36
am going to be in Odessa 21 Sept to 1 Oct and would appreciate ANY mongering info...will make a FULL report to the board when I return and will post as many pix as I can. Again any info would be appreciated

Peter

Alphamale
08-31-05, 21:45
Hello all,

I was just wondering about Odessa in December. Is it worth going in the colder months? What is the action like? Is it still plentiful?

I was in Kiev in July and at the moment would have to rate it in my top 3 destinations. I loved the quality and the quantity.

Any information is greatly appreciated.

Peter the Great
09-20-05, 05:36
Well the big count down is on and in 48 hours I'll be there. Want to thank Irish Lad and CA Traveler for all the help. Will try and take as many pix as possible and will make a full report when I get back. Wish me luck.

Peter

Irish Lad
09-20-05, 12:02
You are more than welcome Peter the Great.

It's not luck you will need......It's plenty of energy. It took me weeks to recover from my last trip there.

IL

Peter the Great
09-21-05, 12:16
Cattraveler,

I hope you can make it, a full report to follow.

Peter

Sam2004
10-09-05, 22:20
excellent report.

you ought to be a "doctor" for behavior of ukr. chicks.

keep up the interesting work.






Although I had a great time in Odessa a couple of weeks ago, I did have two "less than positive" experiences. The first was the non-performing pro I mentioned in a previous post. The single worst dud I have had in too many years of mongering and chasing skirts.

The second was a promising date with a cute blonde... that gave me an inside look at the marriage agency aspect of Odessa. It was both intriguing and depressing. But mostly just ridiculous.

It all began at Fidel...

While meeting Lena the internet freebie at Fidel I had spotted a pair of blondes. They were striking blondes… the kind that enter a room and everybody looks. Not necessarily better-looking than other girls, but just skilled at presenting themselves in a man-pleasing way.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

I took note of them but was engaged in Lena and couldn’t switch targets at this point, I was too close to the kill. Nonetheless, while carrying on conversation with Lena I observed the two blondes and watched two French sailors, remarkably handsome guys, approach the girls and buy them drinks. The Frenchmen thought they were making progress. They weren’t. They were just buying girls drinks.

I made a mental note of the girls appearance, got the check and headed home to my apartment. After poking Lena I took her home and I zoomed off to the club. Thankfully Lena had to work the next day, allowing me a double op.

That night at Palladium, I spotted the two blondes I had seen in Fidel. I couldn’t approach them then, because I was working over Lena the freebie, whom I ended up banging in a very memorable session about 45 minutes into our second date.

But now here they were again. Alone. In the same outfits as before.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

Before I could approach them, they were gobbled up by some Russian guys and invited to sit in the VIP couches surrounding the dance floor.

These were popular girls… like I said, dressed up in that gaudy getup that all men seem attracted to.

Figuring the girls would be occupied for awhile, I refocused on other girls and gathered a number from a girl I would meet the next afternoon.

But it was getting late (early) now and I spotted the blondes at the bar, fianlly alone again. I decide to employ my tactical skills and I approached the blonde I preferred… I was drawn like a moth to a flame by hair straight blonde hair. I went up to her and announced in my best Russian:

“I remember you from Fidel. I want to see you again. Let’s meet tomorrow. What’s your number?”

She instantly told me the number and her name, Nastya.

I said, “Ok, see you tomorrow.” And left.

At that point I was certain that my ploy was working. Not overdoting. Remaining mysterious. Later I would learn later that that my tactic had functioned perfectly. Up to this point, I was doing very well.

Day 2:

After an afternoon date and some kissing that led nowhere from the girl met at the club last night, I met Nastya at Fidel. Fidel isn’t my favorite place, but it is convenient and everybody knows where it is. Blonde Nastya spoke zero English… generally a good sign that she isn’t spoiled and hasn’t had a western boyfriend before.

Conversation is dry however… so dry that I began to wonder if Nastya is either uninterested or just stupid.

Actually, it was probably a combination of any number of factors, a significant one being my Russian, which though capable of holding conversation isn’t good enough to carry an entire conversation all by myself over a long period of time. So I gave Nastya the benefit of the doubt. I often give attractive blondes the benefit of the doubt. I'm like that.

Just as things were really drying up a stunning girl enters the bar and joins us. The new girl was much prettier than Nastya. New girl is about 1,78m tall, thin but not bony, jet black hair, green eyes and a delightfully structured face with a captivating smile. Unlike the goofy looking blondes with their pushed up tits and glossy pink lipstick, the new girl was classy, she knew how to dress and was simply beautiful…

The conversation heats up as I flirt with the new girl, Yulia.

Yulia is a model.
Yulia is smart.
Yulia is beautiful.
Yulia is a TV correspondent.
Yulia has a boyfriend.
Yulia is out of reach.
Yulia is still more interesting than the Blonde.

I convince the girls to come to my apartment, hoping that showing my nice apartment off will impress them. Nastya was impressed… Yulia thought it was “nice” meaning “tacky”. Like I said… Yulia had taste… and she was right about the tackiness…

After a drink at Buffalo 99 in which I was able to start touching Nastya’s hand and holding it intermittently, we part ways with Yulia. Yulia and I had gotten along really well… but she had to go.

My date is going well, the super babe is gone and we decide to have a drink at the Irish pub… which I don’t mind since it is conveniently located close to my apartment… that is really all there is positive to say about the Irish pub.. except maybe also that it has a pool table and $100/hour pros in the summer. Like I said, not much positive to say about this Irish pub.

We sit in the corner and by this time I am holding Nastyona’s hand… and figuring I was making progress according to schedule… it was now just a matter of getting her alone, after dark, in my apartment. I wanted to avoid a club at all costs… it seems to me this would be a waste of time…. It was my last night and getting too late to activate other options, so my best option was to push Nastya until she folds… or if it becomes apparent that she isn’t going to, end the date cordially to set her up for a later trip and go to a club alone and pursue new options.

Suddenly her blonde friend arrived. The same blonde from when we first met and the same one from the club. Blonde friend was styled up the same way she had been the previous night. Cheap and chic. Like many suppose a Ukrainian girl is supposed to look.

White-blonde hair.
Tan skin.
Glossy pink lipstick.
Push up bra.
Cleavage.
Sprayed-on trousers.
Stiletto heels.

Her face was ok in that kitten sort of way, but nothing extraordinary. Still, sitting with the two blondes I was getting a lot of jealous stares. Or maybe they just knew something I didn’t?

The conversation that ensued was classic, one of the most interesting… and demeaning… that I have been in a long time.

Blonde friend: You like Nastya? She is beautiful Ukrainian girl. She is model.

Skank: I know. She is very beautiful. (I’m lying…she’s cute, but not more)

Blonde friend: Beautiful girls need beautiful things. Beautiful girls must make themselves always look beautiful.

Skank: Uh… I suppose.

Blonde friend: There is a new shop down the street. There are nice clothes. Like Prada. Nastya needs new clothes. She is very beautiful, but she needs more beautiful things. Do you want Nastya to look beautiful?

Skank: Nastya looks beautiful as she is.

Blonde friend: Nastya wants to be beautiful. You will buy Nastya clothes now, yes? The shop closes in 30 minutes. There isn’t much time.

Skank: I don’t want to go shopping, I want to talk to Nastya and get to know her.

Blonde friend looks at me slyly.

Blonde friend: You don’t want to buy Nastya clothes?! You don’t care how Nastya looks? Nastya is nr.1 model in Odessa. She is nr.1. She does not talk to many men. She has only had 1 man before. She likes you.

Skank: I like her too.

Blonde friend: I am getting married. My husband is from Mississippi. He is very rich. He bought me this dress. $2000. I will have his baby.

Skank: Congratulations. What a lucky guy.

Blonde friend: Yes, he buys me many things. See my watch and this ring? It is important that a man buy his woman many things. She must always look beautiful. Do you want your woman to look beautiful?

Skank: Of course, every man is proud when other men look at his woman and see how beautiful she is. I like beautiful girls.

Blonde friend periodically translates for Nastya, who is following the conversation with interest. Blonde friend scoots closer to me. And stares intensely into my eyes.

Blonde friend: You will buy Nastya clothes at shop now, yes?

Skank: I just met Nastya! I certainly will be very good to her if she is my girl, I can be very generous… buy her presents, take her on holidays… I can be very generous, but I must at least know her first. I want to get to know Nastya.

Blonde friend. I see. Nastya needs to go to hairdresser. It costs $200. Is that a lot of money for you?

Skank: No, its not.

Blonde friend: You will give Nastya money for hairdresser, yes?

Skank: No.

Blonde friend: Why not, do you not want Nastya to look beautiful? Do you expect her to wait for you?

Skank: I just met Nastya a few hours ago. I don’t ”expect” her to do anything.

At this point I realize I am going to lose this battle, but continue.

Blonde friend: My girlfriend Oksana has a man from Italy. He loves Oksana. He came to Odessa last week and bought her a dress. $8000.

Skank: Good for her.

Blonde friend: Yes, he loves her very much. I can see that. She will not see other men now I think. She will wait for him. But she does not have sex with him yet. Nastya will not have sex with you. I did not have sex with my man for 9 months. Then he visited me 6 times. Now I know he loves me. I will have has baby. He lives in Mississippi.

Skank: Lucky guy. You’re gonna love Mississippi. Its like Odessa. You’ll fit in just nicely with the American girls there.

Blonde friend: What? American girls are fat.

Skank: Yes, they will be jealous of you and probably hate you.

Blonde friend: I know. It is true.

30 seconds of blissful silence.

Blonde friend: Nastya will need many beautiful things if she is to wait for you.

Skank: Nastya can do what she wants. She can wait if she chooses. What are you anyway, Nastya’s agent? A contract negotiator?

Blonde friend: I want to help Nastya. She does not speak English well. She needs things. And I want her to shut up. After she meets you in club she does not shut up about you, she calls you her prince. “He is so beautiful. He is prince.” I cant hear it anymore.

Skank: I’m not a prince.

Suddenly Nastya speaks….English. We are all shocked.

Nastya: I want write you SMS, but my phone only write Russian. See?

She shows me the phone.

Skank: Write me in Russian, I can read it.

Nastya: I want learn English.

Blonde friend: Nastya needs to learn English. English lessons cost $100. You will give Nastya English lessons, yes?

Skank: Sure, I’ll give Nastya English lessons.

Blonde friend: Ha ha. I mean you will give her $100 for English lessons, yes?

Skank: Whatever. Listen. If I am going to give Nastya anything, it will be in private. And not with her “agent” around negotiating.

Blonde friend: Nastya will need money for phone card, to write you SMS. It is expensive for her…

Skank: Check please!

Believe it or not, this conversation went on like this for at least another 20 minutes and at one point even became heated. Finally I gave up, gave Nastya about 100 grv for taxi and a phone card told her I’d call her or write next time I am in Odessa.

Although in theory I was interested in pursuing Nastya further, it was my last night and I certainly wasn’t going to waste it buying Nastya and her friends drinks all night in the hope that I might get a peck on the cheek or even a real kiss for my efforts. Had I been able to maneuver myself free to be alone with Nastya I may have done better… or maybe not. In any case, I wasn’t going to get a chance, she was well guarded.

I was doing well until her “agent” came to negotiate a better deal for her. I can’t decide if her agent was actually protecting her friend’s interests or not… after all, all I really wanted to do was get Nastya into bed and her "agent" certainly prevented that.

John Quakman
11-09-05, 06:01
I need reports on Odessa! I may be visiting in January and need all the G-2 I can get.

John Quakman
11-09-05, 06:03
So...where is it?


am going to be in Odessa 21 Sept to 1 Oct and would appreciate ANY mongering info...will make a FULL report to the board when I return and will post as many pix as I can. Again any info would be appreciated

Peter 8.31.05

CA Traveler
11-16-05, 08:54
John... John... John... Please... You must have faith! :)

Remember that most ODS travelers sign a pact not to disclose details! :)

John Quakman
11-21-05, 18:31
Anybody got any reccomendations about the best way to get to Odessa from the West Coast? Airlines and price? Thanks

John Quakman
11-21-05, 18:32
CAT Please forward the requsite form form my signature!

John Quakman
11-22-05, 06:17
Seattle, the other white meat.

Rain City
11-22-05, 09:47
JQ,

One of the best traveling sites I have found is sidestep.com. They will search almost all of the major airlines web sites and find the best price for you.

It seems at this moment, your best bet is Seattle/Chicago/Warsaw/Odessa. It's about $1.4K USD. Quite expensive. Probably you can find a cheaper flight to Kiev. Then take an overnight train to Odessa? I am sure some travel agencies like go to russia travel can arrange the train ticket for you.

Doctor_Skank
11-22-05, 10:06
Local airfare Kiev-Odessa is about $160 roundtrip with South Airlines. Dodgy little Antonov prop planes, but they'll get you there.... and back.

Aerosvit also flies this route, but is more expensive at about $250 roundtrip.

A lot of airlines fly to Kiev, so if you can get to Kiev through Frankfurt or London or Paris, you can always get to Odessa.

One thing to be wary of though is the fact that the Kiev-Odessa flights sell out quickly due to limited space, so you may not be able to buy them same day and fly. Try ordering them before hand with a travel agent/internet site like www.opodo.com or perhaps even spend a night or two in Kiev "climatizing" before going to Odessa. In the day or two in Kiev you can go to any "Aviabilleti" and buy your tickets.

Another route is through Vienna which has direct flights to Odessa on Austrian Airlines. Since Austrian is a StarAlliance partner with Lufthansa, a Frankfurt/Düsseldorf-Vienna-Odessa route is possible.

The train is also a possibility but long, if you do that maybe overnight is the best. Another option are modern comfortable buses which will get you there in about 8-10 hours.

That said, flying is your best option. If you've never been to Odessa, your going to love the airport...

Rain City
11-23-05, 05:24
Doc,

Thank you for the information about South Airline. When I visited Odessa this past summer, I flew Ukraine International Airlines and paid over $300 USD. So I am very intrigued by the price (around $160) you mentioned.

I visited opodo.com as you suggested, but the cheapest fare I found was around $300, flying UM. I did a google search, but it seems South Airline does not have a web site. I wonder if South Airline flights between Kiev and Odessa are just seasonal (summer only), or they fly only certain days of the week. Do you know?

In regard to your comments about Russian language, I cannot agree with you more. I, too, had very frustrating experience in Ukraine without the language skill. There were so many attractive women there, but I did not do well with English alone. I started taking a Russian class at a local college recently. I am planning to go back to Ukraine, probably next summer. I hope my next trip will be much more fulfilling.

CA Traveler
11-23-05, 10:13
OK... Here is the deal... You can book flights into ODS with LOT or Austrian, also Malev or Turkish. However, you will pay a premium. If you log on to Aerosvit, you can book a flight for much less. As doc said other airlines may offer less but I'm only familiar with Aerosvit.

It is a 4 or 5 hour drive but it is a long bus or train ride. I recommend flying or in the worst case... driving.

If I were to fly from the USA... I would consider ANY of the major airlines who fly into Kiev, KBP, and then a separate flight into ODS. Be sure to allow at least three or four hours to connect. Not because of the large airport but because of the possible delays.

If you plan to come to ODS, you may want to try to book a car before hand because when I was there last, I heard a taxi guy try to milk 50 EUROS, $60, from a new arrival. Typical price from a real taxi is 20 or 30 grivna, $6 max.

Even if you pay 50 grivna you are OK... $10 is fine!

More importantly that anything else is the apartment... book your apartment before you go to Kiev or Odessa... rooms are at a premium and you do not want to arrive without a confirmed reservation.

In any case I am sure you will have a great trip.

CT

Tom73
12-01-05, 06:26
anyone noticed airfare went up this year?

hi,

i am looking to go to odessa in april, may and july. i have been there before. i am looking to get into mongering with others(wingman) and just basically have a good time(local freebies). i am 33 italian american , i speek basic to intermediate russian. can someone contact me if they will be there at this time.

i am also looking to head to some eastern ukrainian cities.

if anyone has experience in kharkov,etc let me know.

see ya,

Tom73
12-01-05, 08:03
In cities I find it best to read local papers. Makler in most cities.

I am going to Odessa April, May, July. Lets meet and hunt.

Bez Bezarra
12-02-05, 02:40
Anyone noticed airfare went up this year?



Its called "Fuel Surcharge".

You can thank the gulf hurricanes for that, not to mention
the super-mega-ultra greedy Exxon/Chevron/Shell/BP tycoons
who fucked the so-called "free market", which is just us, for
a cool $10 billion of extra tax-free profit over the summer,
hoping we might not notice, except they bragged about it.

The surcharge for a round trip USA to Kiev is about $95, not
the end of the world, just a rip-off, since its unjustified.

Its pretty much the same when you fill up your tank around
the corner where they're charging $2.39 for a gallon of gas,
when its so obvious that the real price should be 20 cents less.

CA Traveler
12-03-05, 09:02
T73... PM me before you come and maybe we can meet for a beer... I will probably be around.

Stirlitz
12-05-05, 13:43
The average income in Odeca is 100 Dollars (85 Euros) a month.Who told you this BS? For this kind of money you can only get food, and not very good at that.

CA Traveler
12-07-05, 07:56
Stirlitz... I'm not sure where the $100 per month average income came from but it probably isn't too far off... If you consider the unemployed and that a normal job pays $200 per month, i.e. maid, laborer, etc. Then it doesn't take much to drive down the average. I certainly would suggest that the average is no more than $200 per month.

That said, it is possible to live on that because many/most of the time, that worker is sharing a room with other workers in a communal flat which is probably owned by one of them so the cost of housing is next to nothing... they shop a the markets/bazaar, they pay $0.30 for 1.5 liters of beer, take a bus/trolley to work, and they pay no taxes or social security. Plus, they pick up a few grivna where they can.

Keep in mind that it is even worse out in the villages because you don't have the construction and commerce to pay even the $150 or $200 wages.

BigthDikth
12-07-05, 09:27
At the market I paid 37 cents for a half-pound of fish and my fill of vegetables -I had to do the cooking.

Delgado
12-07-05, 11:10
october 2005: 832,54 uah (january 2005: 640,02 uah)

about 160 us dollars.

http://www.ukrstat.gov.ua/

Bez Bezarra
12-07-05, 13:19
$160 sounds probably a bit high, but may just be slightly skewed
because of the very few ultra-rich at the top that are making
obscene money.

On the other hand, with Odeca's beaches and nightlife making
it the FIS's second most popular warm-water tourist destination
after Yalta and also the FIS's primary seaport for commerce, would
be a reason for many services to be priced higher, so salaries
should be a bit higher than other Ukrainian and Russian cities.

If you've ever seen that huge shipping container storage facility
outside the city, you get an idea of how much business Odeca
is doing, all of EE must be driving there to buy and transport
all the retail crap that China is shipping there, from clothes
to toothbrushes. Virtually everything except pussy was being
sold at that bazaar, which has to be the biggest one I've seen.

Perfect example is the main agency for escorts, price was $35-$40
per hour, other cities only charge about $20-$28. (Non-capital
prices that is).

Odeca cutie.

Tom73
12-07-05, 15:12
Actually Odessa always had alot of money ,and the first rich elete were in Odessa. just look at the nice houses in outskirts of odessa, they have ben building them longer than in Kiev.Also , Odessa is capital of capilalim i nUkraine women have alot of opportunities and unlike in Kiev where girls have to speak english,as you know odessa girls do not speak english as often but they do not neeD it. Also being a foreigner does not impress odessans because they have known foreigners even back in soviet times. In alot of ways costs are more in Odessa then kiev because odessans love to spen money .my bet is there is more middle class in odessa then all of ukraine. Just look at the restaurants always expensive and packed but catering to locals while in kiev restaurants packed only with rich foreigners. Infact even teenagers seem to eat out frquently in Odessa. As retail capital you will notice they have alot of clothing. In some ukrainian cities girls do not have much in Odessa they are always wearing different outfits and more western then rest of ukraine. More provacative outfits in kiev.

Diceman
12-08-05, 00:44
bez, thank your lucky stars you dont have to pay uk petrol prices, its the worst country in the world for taking the [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140)

CA Traveler
12-09-05, 07:31
bez, tom... You may be right that the girls in ODS have more money than in Kiev, but I think Kiev is still more expensive than ODS. And, I think ODS is certainly more expensive that other smaller cities and villages in Ukraine, especially in the Eastern part of the country. Compared to Moscow, ODS costs about 30-40% of normal Moscow costs. A dinner with a girl here may cost $20 compared to $60+ in Moscow.

A "taxi" ride that costs 100 rubles, US$3.50, in Moscow, in ODS costs 10 griv., $2.

And, it is true that many of the restaurants are full even now in the off season, it is also true that the place has a constant inflow of Western men arriving to meet "brides". My friend's who rent apartments here claim that only mid-January and February are not booked up.

AND, I can speak from personal experience that you should never attempt to get in or out of Odessa in the peak times of the summer without a reservation. This applies to air, train and apartments!

Tom73
12-09-05, 12:44
Yeh,

You are right can not compare to Moscow. but is it easy to pick up in odessa and how? It seems pro scene not so good, so how freebie scene and any other areas you reccommend?

CA Traveler
12-09-05, 16:24
t73... I'm still relatively new here and I've been focusing on the freebie scene. Although, I have discovered a few streetwalkers and found that every taxi driver has numbers to call. I even had a cop pick me up for a ride and he had numbers of an apartment. Price was right, but quality was average at best. The P4P scene is not as in your face as in Moscow or even Kiev, but it certainly exists.

Doctor_Skank
12-10-05, 12:22
Tom73:

In my experience you can get freebies in Odessa, but the top "eye candy" is off the market unless you can spend some time there. If she is dressed expensively you can be certain that she is sponsored and most girls wont risk losing their Sugar Daddy for a one night stand with a foreigner. The normally dressed girls, often just as beautiful physically but less dolled up, are the best market.

As for Odessa vs. Kiev, Odessa isnt easier than Kiev, which for me is still one of the easiest markets around. Particularly in the summer when Odessa is flooded with tourists you'll see dozens of top girls everyday, the majority of which however are "off the market" and sponsored. The Arkadia beach clubs are a good hunting ground, but beware that many of the girls are there with their boyfriends, who are too lazy to dance and sit around at tables drinking vodka while their ultra-sexy girls are turning everybody on with their sexy wild dancing. If a girl speaks decent English, you can almost be 100% sure she's had lots of foreign exposure and knows her market value with the sex-hungry Italians, Greeks, Turkish and Germans there. Americans are also there in droves but usually looking for brides and not actively involved in the freebie scene.

Its also an open secret in Ukraine that Odessan girls know of their relative beauty and are spoiled. They are also the least honest girls I have met in FSU and many of them are just as skilled at playing the game as we are. Its a fascinating and fun place, but no cakewalk.

Darmix
12-10-05, 13:45
Hi All,

Can someone to make a comparation between the Odessa's scene and the Riga's scene?

Where is better the freebies hunting?

Regards to All.

CA Traveler
12-11-05, 16:35
Just to add to doc's comments... the population of ODS increases dramatically in the summer. Also, don't assume that every girl you see in the summer is a local girl. Many travel here from all over the FSU for the beach and night action.

CA Traveler
12-29-05, 01:35
Davmix... I can't speak to the freebies in Riga, but I will tell you this. I send out letters to Ukrainan girls on the web and I get about a 20% response... That is to girls between 18 and 35. I send out letters to the same audience in Latvia and I get 0% response... Granted I am 56+ at the time but I think it demonstrates the attitude of the girls. Now, if you are 35 this won't apply to you probably, but if you are older, then I would suggest that the Ukrainian/Russian girls are your best bet!

I wish you luck and invite you to PM me if you decide to come to Odessa and I'll try to give you a lay of the land before you start on your trek.

CA Traveler
12-29-05, 01:47
doc... if it was a cakewalk... you wouldn't be the doc and it wouldn't be worth it! The more important question is... WILL YOU BE BACK THIS YEAR? Once? Twice? Three times?

Now that I have tapped the P4P market you may want to think about it because it is spectacular... it just isn't as much in your face as in Moscow.

Here is a girl I had today, $50. Later she shows up with her sister and another girl that I had yesterday. Both friends are 18 and the sister is 19. I was in a biz meeting and had to ask them to return later which they did.

Here are some photos especially for you...

Let me know once you've scheduled your flight!

I took about 30 shots of the two girls together and I'll try to post more in the next few days if you'd like to see them!

BTW, they each were $50 alone and the double was $70 but I gave them a little less than $80. These are just two of the four 18 y.o. I've had in the last week. $50 for each session. Tonight they stayed about 3 hours, but I had to feed them, which was much easier than trying to feed Russki girls... broiled some old potatoes, slathered on some ketchup, tossed them a chocolate bar each and a liter of tomato juice. :)

GandJim
12-29-05, 03:25
Here are some photos especially for you...Yes, I know, they are especially for Doc, but I can't help having a look. :D

Oh my God, I'll be in Minsk and Kiev this coming spring. Can I schedule a flight to Odessa too? :)

CA Traveler
12-29-05, 09:12
gj... I hope you do schedule a trip... I'm sitting here in this newly discovered monger paradise... virtually all alone! It's driving me crazy!

Actually, undiscovered is probably a leap but certainly for the average monger who comes here looking for action, they will not find it! If you read all of the other posts, they are from people who come to visit. You really must get into the circle of locals who know where and who to call.

Of course, if you visit on your own you will bump into action sometimes but you won't have the resources available that are really available.

Just think... compared to Moscow... no visa, no registration, no militia, girls are 3 for the price of 1 and accommodations are 2 for the price of one!

PM me when you start your planning and I may have a few suggestions for you.

From Kiev there are 3 or 4 flights each day. Don't know about Minsk... I do have a driver in Kiev who will drive you down for $200 if you wanted to see the countryside. One aircarrier from Kiev is Aerosvit Airlines. Otherwise, Malev, LOT, Austrian, and Turkish fly here. Czech is scheduled to start service very soon.

Let me know when you plan to come.

Doctor_Skank
12-29-05, 10:03
Ca_T: Are you getting kickbacks from the Odessan Tourist Board? :)

Those pictures make me feel.... all warm inside... really great stuff, so life is good, yes?

As for me and Odessa, you know I'll be back... :) It's just a question of finding/making time... will be down there as early as Jan or as late as March, also have to go to China, St.Pete, Kiev, Moscow, Novo and Irkutsk all before the end of Feb... :(

In any case, I've been thinking about your pictures and dyevki all day already... :)

CA Traveler
12-29-05, 10:32
doc... no kickbacks, but I must confess that I am working on a biz deal that will open up many opportunities for everyone to explore Odessa as a destination that I know know it is!

I'll be away from 22 January to 11 February... hope you will plan your trip for when I am here. I should have my car shortly after I return which will make life even better!

I've got some more photos of these two to post on the photo gallery when I have time to resize them... Some of them are just what you'll like! :)

The amazing thing is that the 18 y.o. blond that I had a few days ago was actually much better than either of these two... although I must admit that the petite little chick is pretty hot and is the tightest that I've had since my virgin GF in September... Ah... can't wait for Thailand so I can snuggle up to that one again! DAMN... you're right! Life is very good! When you come I will show you exactly what I mean, although I can't help too much with the freebies. You'll have to handle that yourself and I know that you're up to the task!

Actually it feels pretty damn good... I've been kind of out of sync for the past year and even in Moscow couldn't really get into the new pricing structure which has gotten even worse... the high prices just kind of take the fun out of it.

Now however when I realize that ODS is so much less expensive than Moscow I see little reason other than business to go.

Doctor_Skank
12-29-05, 17:03
Ca_T:

Well you've sold me on Odessa, not that it was a hard sale. I really love that place, even though it did kick me in the shins once or twice on the trip previous to last. I had bad mojo. My fault. Thankfully my follow trip in the fall corrected that... :)

Moscow and ODS obviously draw two different crowds, with Moscow being fueled by over-the-top petrorubles. It's hard to keep up with Moscow P4P prices, thankfully I don't really have to try to be a big spender. My freebies as of late are all top drawer... or at least second drawer from the top.... :) See attached pic... That said, I still love Moscow as a second home, boundless opportunities there.... P4P as well, just bring the cash.

As far as freebies in Odessa go, I am beginning to think that there is no bad market anywhere in EE, its just a question of application. Obviously the areas overexposed to foreigners, such as Prague and Riga, are going to be tougher markets.

Certainly UKR women are second to none in EE and most of them are sweet as well... still. Who knows how Yushenko's Ukraine will look in a few years, especially now that Ukraine-Russia seem to be conflicting on an increasingly serious scale, with Gazprom playing power politics and Yushenko countering with the few weapons he has, liking raising the rent on the Russian Black Sea fleet's mooring ports. Yushenko and Ukraine are definitely orienting to the West, even if the West doesnt yet know what to do with them yet.

Let the politicians squabble about that, we all know what to do with Ukraine. Can't wait to get back.

CA Traveler
12-29-05, 17:36
yeow... now that's a hard body!

You know that I consider Odessa about 5 or maybe even 10 years behind Moscow.. WHICH IS GOOD!

I hope it doesn't become a totally Westernized city because that means many things bad... one of them being the Euro which IMHO has ruined much of Europe by making it unaffordable with the conversion from the local currencies to the Euro.

You know Moscow will always be Moscow... It is one of those place that you hate it and love it all in the same thought! That said, with my two extra decades on you, the freebie market is fun to dabble in and every now and then I find a jewel, like my GF, but for the most part, I enjoy the simplistic approach with no emotional involvement of P4P... Then I don't have to play the game all night when I don't even particularily like the wench...

What has gotten my attention and may be of interest to mongers considering a trip to Moscow just for P4P, if you are planning five-night trip to Moscow to stay in a Western-style apartment with the pleasure of one girl per day, you will probably spend at least $2,300... IF INSTEAD you go to Odessa, you will save enough to pay for your airfare!!! OR, you could spend the original amount and stay for TWO WEEKS in Odessa for the same amount of money!

BUT, I fully understand that people go to Moscow for business and the P4P activities are secondary (maybe), but for those of us who used to make several trips each year just to play, unless you are an oil baron, the fun has gone out of it IMHO. I've had so many people tell me that we've got to find someplace else where the oil cash hasn't tainted it and it is cheap enough to enjoy white girls by the dozens...

That is the question... Odessa is the answer... and I ain't talking about Texas!

Herein lies the lesson grasshopper!

Doctor_Skank
12-29-05, 17:57
Ca_T:

Well of course you're right.... :)

I personally dont like to spend more than $100 for ALL NIGHT... but that is of course no longer a Moscow reality... OK, it still happens as recently demonstrated in CF, but its increasingly rare and often a hassle. Moscow is truly a businessman's destination... even though its such a great city that there is much more to do there beyond mongering. Moscow gives me much love. Get on its wrong side and it can be intimidating and grind you up... and yeah, it can be damn expensive... Sure I miss quality $100 tochka and CF babes. That is a thing of the past though unless you get really, really lucky. Kiev isnt far behind Moscow in terms of pricing, so places like Odessa are really attractive. Get it while the goin's good though... unlike less accessible locations, Odessa is on everybody's list of primary and secondary targets and is very accessible visa-wise and price-wise. Travel-wise its a bit of a hassle, but if you can get to Kiev, Vienna or Warsaw (among others) you are almost already in Odessa. I never expect a great thing to last forever.

Biggest Dutch
01-11-06, 01:15
Hello guys,

The end of January 2006 I have to spend some time making a video tourism report deal so does any one have some links where to find a nice appartment for about 10 days?

Some nice places, clubs, cafe's?

In advance thanks!

CA Traveler
01-15-06, 09:31
One of the other members, sorry I forgot who, was asking about the "Odessa body painting" festival... So I did a little research...

It looks like fun... It appears to take place over the May Day holiday and looks like fun.

Here are two of many photos available... Let me know if you want more.

BartonJunk
01-15-06, 15:11
Damn CA Traveler!

Those tits in the first pic definitely deserve a good squeeze. Do they take volunteers in the body painting? :)

Bart

CA Traveler
01-15-06, 20:04
vv... please tell me why you would want an agency... so you could look at photos or because you like to pay 2 or 3 times as much as is "normal"?

Furiouz
01-19-06, 20:06
That looks like a lot of fun. Man i wish we had stuff like that in LA, not the Golden Globes, etc.

The woman in the first pic is really beautiful, great body, pretty face.

CA Traveler
01-20-06, 08:01
Over the years I have received many emails from people who have asked me a question on one country or another or some specific area or another. In fact, over the years, I have become friends with many of those same people and others who utilized my apartment rental service in Moscow.

In the past two days, I have had several emails from people who have received an unsolicited email from some group in Odessa seeking money for RE investment in Odessa.

I want everyone to know that this is not something that I am involved in and I would NEVER give out or sell an email address for ANY reason, let alone something like this. In addition, if I have a business project to announce, I will proudly announce that it is my project and will let you know that I am involved.

Please understand that I value the relationships I have established over the years with my fellow mongers and would never abuse it with SPAM of this nature.

That said, I do have a big announcement coming in the next couple of months, but it will be my business and I will not hide behind some group who has to resort to unsolicited emails to raise cash.

Thanks... CT

Sponsor74
01-22-06, 01:08
gj... I hope you do schedule a trip... I'm sitting here in this newly discovered monger paradise... virtually all alone! It's driving me crazy!

Actually, undiscovered is probably a leap but certainly for the average monger who comes here looking for action, they will not find it! If you read all of the other posts, they are from people who come to visit. You really must get into the circle of locals who know where and who to call.

Of course, if you visit on your own you will bump into action sometimes but you won't have the resources available that are really available.

Just think... compared to Moscow... no visa, no registration, no militia, girls are 3 for the price of 1 and accommodations are 2 for the price of one!

PM me when you start your planning and I may have a few suggestions for you.

From Kiev there are 3 or 4 flights each day. Don't know about Minsk... I do have a driver in Kiev who will drive you down for $200 if you wanted to see the countryside. One aircarrier from Kiev is Aerosvit Airlines. Otherwise, Malev, LOT, Austrian, and Turkish fly here. Czech is scheduled to start service very soon.

Let me know when you plan to come.


CA Traveller

Thanks for your reports & info regarding Odessa. I was in Kiev but it was 5 years ago and only for a short time (5 nights) and in my opinion the girls there are GREAT too. However, in the last years I was traveling only to Thailand.

Now I am planning Ukraine again, but this time a have some “contacts” from the Inet in Odessa. But I ram really inexperienced there; therefore I would much appreciate your recommendations and advices about hotels there, locals for action (discos, pubs etc) and the current rates. Furthermore, the fly connections from Kiev to Odessa ( I assume there is no direct connection from Zurich ) and the rates as well.

Thanks in advance for your help and if you need info from Bangkok, please let me know I travel there on a regular basis and have a good experience too.

Regards

Pete33
01-22-06, 07:03
CA Traveler buddy,

Very nice detailed explanation on the "real" scene in Odessa.
Never been to Ukraine.
Have had invested in an ISP [Internet Service Provider] in Kiev, three years ago; went burst by being cheated by both my Partners [American + Local Ukrainaian]. Still believe that Ukraine, in fact the whole Region, is a very prime area for investment opportunities. Just have got the right business model and definitely the Right partners.
In the meanwhile, running my Oil & Gas operations here in SouthEast Asia; booked several very nice escorts girls out of Odessa, for a week over here, thru Yuriy of the escort.odessa.ua website.
Would like to visit Odessa, when the weather is not as cold as nowdays.
Would early March 2006 be good to have a chat with you in Odessa ??

Ciao,
Pete33

CA Traveler
01-22-06, 10:07
p33 and s74...

Head to BKK in the next hour so PM me and I will give you all of the info...

The best connection from ZRH other than through Kiev into ODS is on Austrian or Malev thru either Vienna or Budapest.

Weather is said to start warming in March and is springtime in early April or so I have been told.

I will welcome you both here... I enjoy showing off my new home and also the talent that is available here.

I will look for your PMs but keep in mind I will be with my GF so my ISG checks may be delayed for the next two weeks.

Cruiser D
01-22-06, 15:58
I just got hit by some RE spam from an agency called 'Variant'. I'd say it has more to do with Rus and Ukr dating phisher then anyone from ISG.

Yeah, getting cold called by someone to invest in RE in Odessa and Lugansk is like someone from Nigeria asking you to help him with a money transfer. ;)



Over the years I have received many emails from people who have asked me a question on one country or another or some specific area or another. In fact, over the years, I have become friends with many of those same people and others who utilized my apartment rental service in Moscow.

In the past two days, I have had several emails from people who have received an unsolicited email from some group in Odessa seeking money for RE investment in Odessa.

I want everyone to know that this is not something that I am involved in and I would NEVER give out or sell an email address for ANY reason, let alone something like this. In addition, if I have a business project to announce, I will proudly announce that it is my project and will let you know that I am involved.

Please understand that I value the relationships I have established over the years with my fellow mongers and would never abuse it with SPAM of this nature.

That said, I do have a big announcement coming in the next couple of months, but it will be my business and I will not hide behind some group who has to resort to unsolicited emails to raise cash.

Thanks... CT

Felix Nordic
01-23-06, 00:28
Cat

Planning to come to Odessa in middle of april and would like to shag some tall slim and young beauties. I know how hard it is to get the local scene from my experiences in Moldova. I will test your ability to provide quality devushka:)

I believe the internet options is a big waste of time and especially money. Its a scamming industry as we have come to know here several times including myself.

To hunt amatuers is the most fun but when you want dinner on the table it might just not be there. The pro option is a great back op/ or main thing from time to time in my hunting calendar.

Cheers,

Felix

CA Traveler
01-23-06, 11:11
FN...I'll be there. PM me before you make all of your plans.

VV... Sorry, I do not give out numbers or names on the internet... I will only do that once I know you.

CA Traveler
01-29-06, 09:51
vv... pm me and I'll fill you in on some help in ODS, but I still won't give out names and numbers until I meet you. Sorry... It'll still work out, unless you plan to book everything in advance before you arrive?

OF COURSE, if you want to post your photo and phone number, I'll have them call you! :)

Terwagne
02-06-06, 17:22
I met Roxana of www.vodkaescort.com for a long meeting outside Ukraine 2 weeks ago and we had a great time together. Very sweet and educated girl, very good english. Fantastic body and great in bed.

See the stunning photos in duo with Anna.

EUR 500.- for 24 hours. Also all inclusive packages.

Other girls such as Natali, Margo and Lisa also have good reviews and great photos.

Tell us if you meet any of them.

Cruiser D
02-07-06, 12:50
Your link sends you to AFF.

500e sounds a bit steep. Is she a 9? $500 sounds more reasonable for a full 24hrs with a 9. But also consider that is 5-7 1 hour sessions with a different 6-7 each time. Geez, spending a whole day with a girl; isn't that what girlfriends are for?


I met Roxana of www.vodkaescort.com for a long meeting outside Ukraine 2 weeks ago and we had a great time together. Very sweet and educated girl, very good english. Fantastic body and great in bed.

See the stunning photos in duo with Anna.

EUR 500.- for 24 hours. Also all inclusive packages.

Other girls such as Natali, Margo and Lisa also have good reviews and great photos.

Tell us if you meet any of them.

Terwagne
02-08-06, 02:28
My link seems to work. www.vodkaescort.com. What is AFF?

I think in long meetings the girl wants to please more. GFE can be enjoyable.

Girlfriends? I am a married man.

Diceman
02-09-06, 02:30
i think you want to go and finish yourself off my friend, 500 euro ? that must be for 1 week yes? tell me it is pashalsta, ya nyes nayoo, durak, its people like you who are driving the fucking prices up, giving girls this kind of money just manifests them all thinking they can achieve this amount, you should be put to the sword

Terwagne
02-09-06, 05:17
If you want a top girl, good english, model type body, great sex and GFE for 5 days with the girl flying from Odessa to a muslim country in Africa, I'm afraid that is what it is going to cost you. (EUR 400 a day) This type of girl will not do this if serious money is not involved. I have bonked girls in Cambodia for US$ 5.- and pay $ 35.- when in Thailand. Horses for courses.

Uke Boy
02-09-06, 05:55
Our friend Terwagne is a shill for vodkaescorts.com or at the very least, its owner.

500 Euros is a rip off for Ukraine. It is enormous money for Kiev. It is astronomical for Odessa.

Guys, go elsewhere. In Odessa you will find much much more for much much less.

Terwagne is nothing more than a pimp.

Zebulon1
02-09-06, 07:16
Our friend Terwagne is a shill for vodkaescorts.com or at the very least, its owner.

500 Euros is a rip off for Ukraine. It is enormous money for Kiev. It is astronomical for Odessa.

Guys, go elsewhere. In Odessa you will find much much more for much much less.

Terwagne is nothing more than a pimp.500 euro for Ukraine and in Ukraine, it is a lot of money sure, but for the same girl outside ukraine, not really sure

the lower price I found in Kiev was Gia agency, I don t know Odessa.

But for me it seems to sound like this message:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=816&page=2&pp=15

Member #2001
02-09-06, 07:45
The absolutly most I ever paid or will ever pay in ukraine is 20 dollars or 20 euro.

That was some years ago when the dollar was worth more then the dollar. Gee thanks George Bush. Anyway from what I understand the prices are higher nowadays, even still I would never pay more then 30 dollars for any girl in ukraine today. 500 Euro is just crazy, IU am not sure where you come fromm but the idea of going to Ukraine just to give some girl 500 Euro is just plain crazy. Even in Europe or the states you could get a girl for 2 or 3 hours for that price.

Please get real and not pay crazy prices for some girl even if the price is quoted extreamly high.

For one its not worth it and for another its drives up the price for the rest of us. I will not monger in Kiev anymore because everyone seems to drive up the prices for girls, but I would go to see freinds there.

Terwagne
02-09-06, 10:06
What rude language on this site.

To have a girl travel from Ukraine to a muslim country in Africa to meet a complete stranger, and to spend a wonderfull holiday with a top model educated girl, with a body to die for, GFE and great sex, what would you expect to pay?

What is your budget for a great holiday when 5 star hotel and restaurants are on expense account? (and head office thinks you spend all your time with customers)
I have bonked 5 $ girls in Cambodia, and quite often 35 $ cuties in Thailand, but spending time with this girl is something else. Like Onassis said: All the money in the world would have no meaning if there were no women.

And if I was in Kiev I would not mind spending $ 200 for this one:
http://www.met-art.com/thumbs/julia/index.htm = Marina of Kiev Beauties .

Any opinions on this agency?

Each his own. I am relieved I only meet you electronically.

Terwagne
02-09-06, 10:22
What rude language.

To get a top model travel from Ukraine to a muslim country in Africa to meet a complete stranger and to spend several days with a gorgeous girls, educated and with a body to die for, GFE and great sex, what would you pay? (NB nothing available localy)

What is your budget for a holiday when 5 star hotel and restaurants are on expense account and head office thinks you spend all your time with arab customers?

I have bonked 5$ girls in Cambodia and regularly pay cuties $ 35 for good sex.

But like Onassis said: all the money in the world would have no meaning if it wasn't for women.

If I was in Kiev I would not mind spend $ 200 with Marina from Kiev Beauties: http://www.met-art.com/thumbs/julia/index.htm check out the video clip.
Anybody used this agency?

Each his own. I am glad I only meet you electronically.

Bez Bezarra
02-09-06, 13:24
Our favorite uber-whiner, Viktor Maladrek, popped up on my TV yesterday,
in a story about how women looking for housecleaning and bartending jobs are being trafficked by family friends from dirt poor Tiraspol to Odessa, then cross the Black Sea via ferry and lie their own way through Istanbul immigration to be sold by Olga to pimps. From there, they are moved again to Anatoly on the Med coast, held against their will and ignored by the authorities to supply a never ending line of turkish customers with their services.

Anyone want sloppy seventeenths? For all Mr. "the Natashas" moralizing,
it takes a pretty corrupt system to turn the other eye to slavery, and sets to wonder how low turkish mongers will crawl.

They focused on one dyev who half knew what she would be getting into and
went willingly trying to earn money to pay back what she had borrowed for her sick son who needed to pay for medical care from chernobyl related problems. Needless to say, she got more than she bargained for, but after going home, faced with the choice of what the loan sharks would do to her, she decided to go right back on her own to the brothel in turkey.

They showed a courtroom "trial" in Odeca of a Moldovan sex slave smuggler,
who was "convicted" by a "judge". It lasted about 3 minutes, no testimony,
5 years probation. Guess he had a good lawyer.

With a system corrupt on both sides, and inherent second class status for
women, proven by the only action LE ever takes being the deporting of prostitutes, it just illustrates their priorities. Is there more freedom in a country where the police hire women to pretend to be prostitutes, so they can entrap men to extort them for $1000 fines by a "judge"?

GandJim
02-09-06, 19:52
Even in Europe or the states you could get a girl for 2 or 3 hours for that price.
I don't get your point here. If it's OK to pay 500 USD for 2-3 hours with a girl in Europe or the states, what's wrong with paying 500 USD for 24 hrs all inclusive with a Ukrainian girl outside Ukraine? Not sure if all inclusive means travel and hotel for the night but, even if it's not, it's still 8-10 times cheaper.


The absolutly most I ever paid or will ever pay in ukraine is 20 dollars or 20 euro.
I go regularly to Ukraine for some years now. For 20 dollars or 20 euros there, I get a girl for only one hour. Would you mind sharing the addresses where we can get a girl for 24 hrs in Ukraine for 20 dollars or euros. Thanks in advance.

Just kidding... but your post doesn't make any sense and, before jumping on your guns, maybe you should read more carefully. Terwagne was talking about a 24 hrs all inclusive booking outside Ukraine.

I have to agree with Terwagne on one point: there is no need to be rude. Even if he's a pimp, even if vodkaescorts.com is a scam to make you pay the travel fees and disappear. Even then, by courtesy, you could read his post properly before flaming him.

Member #2001
02-09-06, 20:46
The point is I would never pay those kind of prices even for 24 hours. I have done allnighters with some girls here in the states for 100 dollars. It just does not make any sence to pay for a flight to ukraine, get a hotel room and give some dechonka 500 dollars for a day. Maybe the girl was not educated and intellegent, but does anyone care if the girl they are screwing is intelleget or not when a transaction has taken place? Are people really looking for a wife or some girl that will fuck you for money?


Even though I am fairly sure I can get girls for 20 dollars in Ukraine (and I think that is expensive), I will not post it here on the board, because then people will give them 500 dollars for nothing service and it will destroy the market more then it has been destroyed already. All I can say is that it is not in kiev, Fifteen years ago you would be able to get a girl from one of those newspaper escort services, but not today.

No flame intended.

GandJim
02-09-06, 21:33
It just does not make any sence to pay for a flight to ukraine, get a hotel room and give some dechonka 500 dollars for a day.
I can agree with you on this, and I think even Terwagne can agree with you. But he was not talking about flying to Ukraine, but having a Ukrainian girl for international escort flying out to meet with him somewhere outside Ukraine. And don't ask me how she gets a visa.

Toscana
02-10-06, 10:55
Should just like to thank Terwagne for taking the trouble to offer the forum a tip. It's nothing more and nothing less. I will make my own judgment as to whether that tip is valuable to me or not, but I am better off for having received it than I was before.

T: do not be put off. This forum is not generally as rough as it may seem over the past few days.

Doctor_Skank
02-10-06, 11:05
I think most of the "rude language" expressed here is just our common vented frustration at seeing our "private" little paradises, whether it be Latvia, Ukraine or wherever spoiled by the realities of globalization, easy and cheap travel, information flow (we are our own worse enemy sometimes by revealing all our well-meant information) etc. etc.

What you pay is all relative, as is why you pay it. No single person is driving up market prices and our efforts to try to stem the tide of inflation in our sex obsession is futile. Lets just hope the lazy sex traveller sticks to larger cities like Talinn or Kiev and leaves us some room to play in lesser-known areas.

I agree with the spirit of the negative comments made regarding overpaying, but Tremagne just added more info to the database and somebody may find that valuable. I wont, but somebody else may be looking for just that kind of service.

Tommasini
02-11-06, 07:06
I will agree, Odessa is a mongering paradise and a great place to just let loose! I was there myself just a month ago for the New Years/Xmas celebration and had a blast! I just about wanted to offer the people in Irish Pub rent money ... for as much time as I spent there in the evenings! :)P Anyway, wish I would have met you, and hope to possibly on a future visit. Udachi

Tommasini

BartonJunk
02-12-06, 06:13
At CA Traveler's urging I decided to check out Odessa. Took a roundtrip flight from Kiev with Aerosvit for $180. Booked my flat with odessaflats, run by an expat, Scott. Got the apt for $60/night. Thought that was high, given that it was winter and I had paid less in Kiev. But apt was nice enough, not luxury though. Scott was a nice guy, picked me up at the airport, and gave me the required orientation to the city.

After settling in, got in touch with the female pimp who's contact info I had gotten from other board members. I wanted semi-pro cuties, not necessarily the model or pornstar variety. In about 45 minutes, I was brought this slim brunette, 19yo, who had done this only 4-5 times before or so I was told. Negotiated and paid $80, though the pimp wanted a lot more. Chatted with the brunette, hit it off nicely. She was a student studying make-up and needed to pay some fees and costs for cosmetics etc. Took her to the bedroom. She immediately got very very friendly, lots of DFK while the clothes came off. Then we got on the bed, and started getting to the deed. She kept on kissing lots. At one point I actually asked her "you like kissing a lot huh?" And she replied, "yeah, how can you have sex without kissing?" Played with her titties, and snuggled up with her ass, gave her nice kisses all over. Got her breathing heavy and moaning just from all the foreplay. She said she hadn't had sex for a long time, and had a principle about not giving it to Russians. Then got her to kiss me all the way down to the cock. she kept sticking her tongue into my belly button which, since I have a little potbelly, was deep enough. Very interesting sensation. But she was hesitant to suck and told me in general that she didn't know anyone who really liked sucking cock. Well, I told her that I liked it, and told her gently to put it in her mouth. She complied but only for a few minutes. She then wanted to ride me, bareback. I was like "noooooo." She said that she knew that the Ukrainian Govt would check all the foreigners coming in to make sure they were clean so she wasn't worried. I don't know who had fed her that line, but she was really naive.

She also kept getting these calls which she said were from her sister and made up some sob story about the sister being stopped by police for driving without a license and that she had to help her pay the fine. She said she really liked me and the apt. so she would go take care of her sister and come back in 45 min. 2 hours later, I tried calling her, and no answer.

I was horny and wanted more. So I called the female pimp again, told her I wasn't satisfied and also told her about the reluctance of the previous girl to do oral, and now asked for someone who didn't have problem with oral. Within 30minutes she was at my door with 2 girls, a blonde, and brunette, 19, and 18yo respectively. I asked clearly if they do oral sex, and was told "yes, yes, no problem, you'll be a very happy man tomorrow morning" obviously implying that the girls would be with me all night. Then I asked if they do lesbian, again was told "yes yes" and she told the girls something in Russian and the girls hugged each other and stood next to each other sort of to indicate they can get it on with each other. The on to the negotiation - I gave her $60 for each and told her that if I was happy later I would give more. In fact I wanted to pay after the job, but the pimp insisted on getting it first. In fact, she really tries to squeeze everything out of you. For example when I paid her, she then asked me for taxi money. Anyway off went the pimp.

I got friendly with the girls. The brunette was nice n sweet, but the blonde turned into a cold fish. I wanted to generally have some chitchat, but the blonde started looking at her watch and kinda indicated your time starts now! Anyway, got them to take a shower, I wanted to join in, but the blonde said no. I thought it was strange,but thought ok, what the hell. Then we got to bed. Asked them to do their lesbian thing. It was clear the brunette hadn't done that before and the blonde started talking her and getting her to kiss and fondle each others breasts. The brunette kept giggling, clearly as this was a new thing for her. That really turned me on. Anyway, beyond kissing and fondling, they didn't do anything. So I asked them to kiss each other down there. No, the blonde said, no kissing down their. I told them, I had clearly asked for lesbian in front of them. But they said no. At this point the blonde spoke in Russian to the brunette and motioned with her hand so to say that let's just get outta here. All of a sudden the friendly giggling brunette also started to turn into a cold fish. Then I said fine, suck me now. Then the blonde said we don't suck. I told them that I had clearly asked about this in front of them. They still refused. Then I said "no lesbian, no oral, what do you do?" The blonde said you can fuck us finish and we go. At this point, I figured I should call the pimp. So I called her and she didn't pick up. Then I tried again, and her phone was turned off. I was now in the process of getting ripped off. Realizing that it was the blonde who was behind this, I asked her to leave. But she said no, they will both leave together. I then asked the blonde to go into the living room, and leave the brunette. This she did. Then I tried to get the brunette to suck me, she said no. I even told her that I would give her some more money. She still said no. Alright, I had had it now. So I told her to fuck off and asked them both to give me my money back. I walked around for a few minutes yelling and repeating that I want my money back. The girls were talking to each other in Russian and starting to look a little worried. Then they came to the bedroom and said "ok, 2 girls will suck and then go ok?" I said fine. Then they asked for my condom, and I said I have no condom (I lied.) Then they proceeded to take my dick in their mouth, bareback. The blonde girl did not seem to know anything about oral, but the brunette knew what to do. They took turns polishing my knob. It was starting to feel good. I asked them to lick my balls, but they refused. But then I gently pushed the brunettes head down a bit and she did lick em. But as I got aroused, one of them would run to the bathroom to gargle -- I guess the precum got to them. After 2 or 3 such runs to the bathroom, I just gave up, I couldn't handle this. I told them both to get the fuck out, and told them that I would inform the pimp tomorrow and ask for my money back. They both left.

With the night still young, I decided to go out and check out the Palladium since I had heard about it from others. Hot girls, all around, though some of them seemed kinda young. But there were many hot girls just walking around and strutting their stuff. I had heard that some working girls hangout by the bar,but I didn't fancy any of them. But I was eyeing this really hot blonde who was just standing by herself. I eventually went up to chat with her. She immediately shook her head and told me "I have a boyfriend" to which I replied "would you like another one." She thought that was funny and giggled. At this point, I thought I was going to get there. But all of a sudden someone tapped me on my shoulder, I looked around and there was this angry looking russian guy asking "problem?" I said "no problem". Then he said "she my girlfriend", and then proceeded to talk to her. So I took the hint and distanced myself from her. But then this guy left again and left her alone. I thought that was really odd - do Russian guys bring their hot girlfriends to the clubs and just leave em alone while they go off to their buddies to chat? This was strange. But I also realized that the young Russian guys probably hate the foreigners coming in and banging their chicks. The way the guy spoke to me was kinda menacing.

Anyway, after that experience, I was a bit scared of chatting up any girl there, so decided to leave, went home and went beddy-bye.

Next morning, called the female pimp to tell her about the disaster the night before. She pissed me off further by telling me that it was because I hadn't paid enough. What the fuck -- even if this was true, to tell me that after the fact. Then I told her that I wanted my money back to which she said "I don't have your money." I asked her why she didn't take my call when I had called her, and she said that she had some relatives over and couldn't talk. Then she said,I will bring you another girl, don't worry. I said that this girl better be free given the kind of money I've already give you. And she hung up. Just want you guys to be aware that you'll need to watch out for shit like this. Since the scene in Odessa is not well established, such things might happen with semipros and the female pimp that pimps them. And by the way, the working girls seem to be pissed off at the pimp also -- apparently she takes at least half the money, so they're kinda unhappy.

Anyhow, that evening, I decided to call someone that a board member had recommended. I figured I'd check her out and if I didn't like her, would go to the Irish Pub to try my luck. Well, as luck would have it, this girl showed up and was really pretty. Moreover, her mannerisms were really feminine and soft spoken. I really liked her. She was 19, blond with blue eyes, and very sweet as a person. Just what I needed after my experience the night before. She had the kind of pretty face you would find in a Private Video, the kind that Pierre Woodman likes to break in. She told me she had been working like this for a couple of years. So, though she was a working girl, her behavior was anything but. When I was negotiating, I also told her that I would give her the money after, when I was done not before, and that I would pay her $50, maybe more if I was happy. Anyway, we chatted a lot and I got to know her. After a while we went and took a shower together. When the clothes came off, I noticed some bad scars around her titties. She said it was because of a car accident. Either that or someone had cut her up pretty good. We then proceeded to the bed and she immediately started kissing me, nice deep french kissing. She kept going until I pushed her down indicating that I wanted my cock sucked. She kissed her way all the way down and proceeded to suck me. Man, this girl was really talented. She was definitely there to please. She sucked me really well and knew exactly what a horny guy would want. She kept licking the head and giving me eye contact with those beautiful eyes of hers, just like you see in a hot porno vid. The she would proceed to lick my balls, like my thighs and everywhere, and she also licked nicely, round and round. This was definitely the best blowjob I had ever had in my life! And she was really into it. I was just groaning and moaning the whole time. In fact, I was so much into it, I didn't want her to stop and didn't want to fuck. This was much much better so I just told her to keep going. After about 45 minutes of this (yes, that's how long this babe kept it going), I started realizing that she was getting tired as her tongue wasn't moving as fast, etc. So I jokingly said to her "how long can you keep this up because I can go for hours." She then in her sweet voice said "could you finish please?" I just liked this girl too much to make her suffer, so I said sure, and she started bobbing her head up and down fast for the next few minutes. Eventually I grabbed my cock and proceeded to jerk it in her face -- asked her to open up and take it in her mouth just when I was about to come. She took it all in her mouth, and then got up to go spit it out in the bathroom. when she did this, she apologetically excused herself in her sweet voice, gargled with my cum, saying "sorry, I have to spit". Then when she came back, she was apologetic and told me that she didn't like to swallow to which I told her no problem, I didn't care about that. She then put on her clothes and I walked her to the door. As we went, she kissed me 3 times really sweetly like she didn't want to leave. All in all, this was a great experience and a great way to end my odessa trip.

A coupel of things to note before I conclude:

1. The girls in Odessa seem more semipro than pro, and it could be hit or miss, depending on your luck.
2. The girls usually have bad teeth, but beautiful eyes. So get them to suck cock, and give you eye contact.
3. They're really into kissing.
4. They don't seem to have a good awareness on STD's since they seem to be ready to ride bareback and don't have condoms.
5. They all seem to be pissed at the female pimp taking too much of their money, and other stories.
6. They all say that they don't sleep with Russian guys because apparently all they want is sex and don't pay or take care of them.
7. They seem to be students (2 of them said they were studing make-up) wanting a bit of cash on the side.
8. The cost with pimp is probably in the $60-100 range, without is probably half that.

Stravinsky
02-12-06, 18:38
bartonjunk

Thanks for your report.

Perhaps you could post enough info about this "pimp" you used so that we would know to avoid her in the future.

You were very lucky to be allowed to walk out of the Palladium under your own power. Yes, Russian men do bring their hot girlfriends to the clubs and just leave 'em alone while they go off to their buddies to chat. And Ukrainians, And Moldovans as well. It's kind of a badge of honor, "See that beautiful blonde over there, well, she's mine, bought and paid for, and she doesn't breathe unless I give her permission." It's the ol' under-my-thumb mentality. The dyev you met just happened to be on a very long leash that particular evening. I'm surprised you didn't notice it hanging around her neck while you were talking to her.

Sounds like everything worked out OK, though. 45 min.! That must be some kind of new record.

Felix Nordic
02-12-06, 23:52
Bartonjunk!
Very nice and honest report! Its definetely true that for short time you can find heaven or you can find hell! To deal with hookers in particular is heaven or hell. And they do take advantage of us nice foreigners because we are nice to the girls. I dont think any russian man would have let that girl go who got the phone call from her sister. I wouldnt have either. Paid service is paid service! And if youre not used to do hookers or not familiar with the local scene you will be scammed more often. Im glad they have legalized brothels in Germany. There are good conditions both for the girls and for us horny hunters! And we dont get scammed like this! And the price in FKK club; 50 Euro for a 7-9 girl or so. I sometimes wonder why we travel to EE to get pussy. And its in the rich world, EU and USA among others, you find many beautiful EE hookers today. But I guess the combination of travelling and the possibilities to get freebies are really worth it. But travelling to big cosmopolitan cities like Kiev to shag pros is not worth it.

I just wonder how it will be in a couple of years?

Well back to the topic; Girls in discos and hookers are often used to foreigners. Sport is to pick up girls at normal cafes, in parks, etc. But then you probably have to stay a week or atleast 3-4 days to shag!

Well, a really really good blow job is something to die for! Actually very few girls, including pros, can do this performance really well.

Im happy you got this!

Cheers and happy hunting gentlemen!
/Felix

Travelove
02-13-06, 21:27
Hi,

I've been lurking over this site for a while, and now have made my first exploration into eastern european punting. Uk pricing has gone crazy. So here I am in Odessa. I've been looking, trying but had no luck, independently travelling on my own doesnt seem to offer much opportunity. Can anyone offer me some contact advice? Please. Like others have said walking the boulevards and bars doesnt seem to bring much luck. I struggle with the language but am met with looks of disdain with each approach. Its winter, the eve of st valentines so I guess picking arnt that good. Contacts for girls who can provide an incall service woud be so appreciated. Many thanks for any help.

Travelove
02-13-06, 21:38
Of course if anyone is in Odessa now and wants to trade some info for a few drinks.

CA Traveler
02-15-06, 13:04
BJ... Thanks for the lengthy report. I am sorry that I was not in town when you came to visit because I might, emphasize might, have been able to have made a little difference with the woman. However, I have been hearing more and more bad things myself about her and fortunately, she is just the tip of the iceburg and many more options exist.

At the same time, I hope you understand that the situations you described with the boyfriend and the scamming girl could have happened in any city in EE. The only difference is that in Moscow you would have been out $150+ for each girl compared to what you paid.

I understand also that the pimp scams the girls and only pays a little. That is the reason that I always get the girl's number so I can call her directly and the second time the price is halved or more. Plus, the girls do not feel the pressure of the pimp watching the clock and demanding more money if they stay longer. The pimp actally drives the "clock watching" in many cases because on the second visit and on other referrals the "paid time" was to be one hour but easily goes to 2+ in some cases.

Also, I would like you to understand that my new business venture has yet to begin and when it does there will be many enhancements to your experience... I promise! I wish you had been able to delay your visit until I was there because I am confident that I would have been able to smooth out some of the rough spots for you! Hopefully, you'll return when the weather is better and my new venture is actually operational.

CA Traveler
02-17-06, 12:46
sb29... I answered your question on another site, but if you don't get it, PM me and I will answer you again.

BartonJunk
02-18-06, 04:09
I understand and will love to visit again because, well, the girls are just too damn gorgeous!

CA Traveler
03-02-06, 08:40
For those of you who have been asking what I was doing in Odessa... I invite you to take a look at my post in the Classified Ads section. If you would like more info, please PM or email me.

CA Traveler
03-02-06, 16:48
boofer/BBAJ/doc/bez... Thanks for all of your kind comments! As I said, spending time with my clients in Moscow were some of my best memories of my time in Moscow... right up there with tochkas, super bowl doubles, etc!

I seriously hope that people will try out ODS even if they make other arrangements for accommodations...

doc... actually Riveria Beach is only 25 grivna... less than $5... about the same as a haircut here! :)

Doctor_Skank
03-02-06, 21:14
Big Bro:

Odessa has its charms and I will be sure to visit at least once this summer.

Comparing Moscow to Odessa might make sense when determining which destination a tourist should go to, but other than that the cities have nothing in common and are completely different, each with its own charms and negative aspects.

For what it is worth, here is my own subjective rundown on Odessa as I see it… although I am admittedly not an Odessa expert, having only been there a few times:

Weather:
Great weather in the summer, mild winters. Summer is the time to go though, from late May until early September.

City layout:
Odessa has very charming architecture, even if very rundown and badly needing renovation. The city is full of contrasts… it is a photographers dream. A negative aspect is the fact that apart from the city center (concentrated around Deribasovskaya) and the beaches and beach clubs (Arkadia), there is little area that is built up or maintained. Much of the city is a disaster. Power outages and water shortages have occurred every time I have gone there. It can be dirty, wild dogs roam the streets and you can be confronted with real poverty… then again, that can happen anywhere in EE from Moldava to Moscow. Nonetheless, I really feel comfortable in Odessa… it definitely has character. Despite the fact that Odessa has about 1 million inhabitants, it feels like a village. That can be good… that can be bad.... usually it felt good and cozy. Its easy to navigate.

Transport:
The airport is more or less like an old military airfield and is a sight to see… once inside though things function fairly efficiently. It is fairly close and cheap to get to, however once in the city, your only viable form of transport are taxis. No other decent transport exists. Taxis are fairly cheap though and plentiful, so this is really not a major concern.

Friendliness:
Although you may run into the same kind of unfriendliness you can find anywhere in EE (especially when hitting on girls that are with their guy friends…) the city is essentially friendly, as is most of Ukraine. There are no police hassles or things like that to speak of… it can happen of course, but for anyone who has been to Russia, Ukrainian police seem like a bunch of pussies… The only ones I would be careful with are the customs agents. On a negative note, I did find Odessan people… true to their reputation… to be a bit dishonest and crooked. I wouldn’t trust Odessan people too much, I even think Moscow people are more honest, even if not as overtly friendly. All in all though, Odessa is a tourist-friendly city.

Prices:
Prices are on par with Kiev. Although considerably cheaper than Moscow in most aspects, Odessa is fairly expensive for Ukraine. Still, Odessa doesn’t have to shoot holes in your budget… if you have been to Kiev, Odessa will cost you about the same in daily costs. Of course you can always pay less by shopping and eating like the locals… but who really wants to do that?

Beaches:
There are both public and private beaches, although I found the private beaches to have better sand, better service and cuter girls. Disadvantage of the private beaches is the fact that they do cost money, even if very little, and therefore attract mostly girls who aren’t paying their own bills…i.e. already have suitors. A lot of girls seen at the private beaches have boyfriends, whether you see them there or not. But there is eye candy galore… spending the afternoon nursing a hangover sipping cheap-and-delicious local champagne, listening to pop hits on the radio, chatting with the local beauties and watching them splash in the surf… many of them topless… well… that’s what the good life tastes and feels like.

Clubs:
The clubs/discos in the city are ok (Palladium, YeYo, Captain Morgan etc.) and in the winter even pretty great, but the real fun is the beach clubs at Arkadia, a seasonal entertainment area along the beach. It is really cool. For those of you who have been to Med Sea or Turkish beaches, it is a similar atmosphere… but I don’t know if I have ever seen girls dance so sexily as they do at Arkadia clubs. I cant really describe it… but I felt very very very good at Arkadia… night in night out. The best one for eye candy is Ibiza… although it isn’t easy to score there, since that is where Russian high-rollers and Italian sex tourists take their expensive dates and the girls are often spoken for or somehow on the take. Some pros there. Itaka is a more mainstream club, plays much better music and attracts a younger and mixed crowd. Scoring at Itaka also wasn’t as easy for me in 2005 as it was for me in 2004, but definitely easier than at Ibiza. There are several other clubs, but I found Itaka and Ibiza to be the best. The best time I had in Odessa last year was at some super hip underground “after party” club in a basement… secret entrance, bodyguards, rich Odessan golden youth high on drugs dancing off the last chemical energy they had. Truly a trip into another world. I was “kidnapped” by some local guys sharing a taxi with me… will never forget the cutest Moldavan chick I met there… needless to say I have know idea where this club was, it didn’t even have a name. When I left the club it was about 11am and totally bright outside. Unforgettable experience. I went home and then went straight to the beach to sleep.

The “normal” girls (freebies):
Odessa has an unbelievable amount of beauty, especially during the summer when tourists from Ukraine, Moldava and Russia go there. I am fairly EE experienced, but even I have to admit that Odessa is a non-stop babe parade in the summer. Incredible.

That said, unfortunately much of what you see is unavailable, as many of the girls… especially the tourists… are with boyfriends, husbands and/or sponsors (Daddy Rich). Many of the girls are scammers too, maintaining a few boyfriends at any one time. Read my post on this subject from 2004:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=358659&postcount=99

My most recent girlfriends from Odessa talked to me quite openly about this subject… a pretty girl in Odessa doesn’t have to want for cash, she’ll find some shmo to give it to her… even if sex isn’t part of the bargain. I think Odessa also has the highest per capita worldwide of unemployed yet pretty girls driving new cars. Think about it, they didn’t inherit the car from babushka.

Am I sounding negative? I'm not and don’t mean to overdo it, but with all the great press Odessa has gotten regarding freebies I think I should at least caution the casual visitor that all is not always what it seems and that getting laid in Odessa can take more effort than one might suspect…. Or it can fall into your lap. I didn’t find it to be easier than in Moscow, Kiev or St.Pete for that matter… that still means its fairly easy though…

Here is a positive note… when you do get laid, Odessan girls are great in bed! And in Odessa, sooner or later you will get laid… J

The “pro” girls:
This scene isn’t as developed as in other cities, but it is developing.. partially thanks to our own Ca_T! the avenues I know about are (prices approx.):

Irish Pub pros : about $100/2-3 hours +
Street pros around the harbor: $30-50/hour
Salons: $50-100/2 hours
Arkadia pros: $100/2-3 hours+
Palladium pros: $100/2-3 hours+
Street pros on Deribasovskaya: $50-70/2 hours
Taxi driver connections (presumably from line up by harbor): $70-100/2-3 hours

I am sure Ca_T and others know more than I do… I never went to Odessa for pro action, but would definitely like to try if things have improved…

Chill factor:
Odessa is a great place to sit in a street cafe and watch the world go by, drink a beer or cappuccino, or go to the beach and wile away an afternoon sipping champagne and chatting to any one of the numerous pretty girls around. Chill factor… and the chill factor is important to me… rates very high. I’ve been to Spain, Turkey, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria etc… and think Bulgaria and Odessa, although not as beautiful as other places, were definitely the most fun, even though the med sea resorts are great too. Somehow Odessa still has a lingering “rawness” to it… like it is some lost gem. Maybe someday it’ll be a perfectly normal holiday destination… when it is, its time for me to look for something else… that’s just me though.... I like it rough and raw on the outside and posh and glam on the inside.... like Odessa is now.

Language:
A fair amount of English is spoken. Basically if she likes you, she’ll find a way to communicate. Russian speakers do have an advantage… I admit that most of my Odessan freebies didn’t speak English well and I was forced to torture them with my Russian… but there is a lot of English spoken in general. Be assured though, the better her English is, the more foreign boyfriends she has already had…

Competition:
One of the most disturbing developments in comparing 2004 to 2005 was the influx of foreign tourists, mostly from Italy and Greece… nothing against these guys personally (where the competition comes from doesn’t matter much) … but it definitely made the freebie market tougher. All the girls talked about the number of tourists coming. In any case, it upped the girls self-perceived market value and made scoring tougher. I spoke to some of the Italians, whom were great guys even though they definitely were spending too much time posing and trying to look cool.. we saw each other every night because we always went to the same clubs.. and they also complained about the situation. I think they expected to show up and have girls throw themselves at them… which the girls didn’t. Some of the Italians reported that a lot of the girls love to get presents from the guys, dinner and drinks.. but at the end of the night they wouldn’t put out. Essentially I had a similar experience, although I didn’t woo the girls with presents or dinner since this is against my policy… yet I did find a lot of girls were playing games with me. Fair is fair, since essentially I was doing the same with them… but these girls were formidable competition… I also was there late in the season... could be that the girls were "worn out". My wingman and fellow monger did a bit better than I did (although I didnt do bad at all...), so take my analysis with a grain of salt.

Overall:
Odessa is a really fun place, that is for sure. I am definitely going back this summer. For sport mongers like myself, playing the freebie market can be great fun and yield great rewards, but can also be a challenge. Fans of clubs and discos should give it a go, the Arkadia clubs are great. Its hard to say where Odessa is headed, but I found 2005 to be more difficult than 2004 in terms of freebies… but the could have just been my luck or just me.

As for mongering, Ca_T is on to a good thing and is convinced that Odessa is just now developing a great pro scene. I trust his judgement, so I really think curious mongers should give it a go. No matter what happens, Odessa will make a lasting impression on you.

CA Traveler
03-02-06, 21:42
doc... great report. Pretty much right on with my analysis except with a few minor points. All in all, I'll look forward to the doc's return... the real question is will RM join you again?

Doctor_Skank
03-02-06, 21:57
Ca_T:

On the minor points I defer to you, you know ODS better than I... as for RM, I am working on him.. I ain't going into the fray without a wingman... :)

By the way, one of my better successes on the last trip I do owe to you... remember you "forced" me to chat her up?

Cruiser D
03-02-06, 22:54
Who wants the pro scene 'developed'. If there is one common thread in all the EE boards is that people bemoan the scene has been 'ruined' (what ruined means is based on when one first started playing the scene; I was lucky I was in W Germany when the wall came down). Heck, I've heard of people plying a stripper with $700 in a night to get laid (cough, cough -109). Great, so the super hottie 18 year old from some 2nd tier Russian or Ukrainian city who suddenly found herself short on cash during her summer vacation and was looking to pick up $100 in exchange for some long distance quality time is going to be looking at the now organized pro's who are way over valued because some smuck is paying it and adjust her rates accordingly. And this would be an improvement somehow because? ;)

Don't get me wrong. I'm not some cave troll railing at the heavens because my free or easy lunch is coming to an end. But people have to remember the context of the economics of the country they are in. Should some pro in Kiev or Moscow be making $300 or more a trick in a country that is dirt poor 2nd world, of course not. But on the other hand, if she is smart she is going to be making whatever she can and I can't blame her for that....

But don't tell me it is a good thing...



As for mongering, Ca_T is on to a good thing and is convinced that Odessa is just now developing a great pro scene. I trust his judgement, so I really think curious mongers should give it a go. No matter what happens, Odessa will make a lasting impression on you.

Doctor_Skank
03-02-06, 23:04
Cruiser D:

Principally I agree with you on the evils of development, after all I did write:
"Maybe someday it’ll be a perfectly normal holiday destination… when it is, its time for me to look for something else… that’s just me though.... I like it rough and raw on the outside and posh and glam on the inside.... like Odessa is now."

But Odessa's pro scene is really less than overtly existent.. unless you look hard, you wont even find it, beyond the Irish Pub and Palladium pickup bars/clubs and their very limited stable of pros.

Odessa has numerous $30 options down by the port... which usually are hardly even worth that... but lacks options in the $70-100 range. I think developing the pro scene in Odessa isnt making the existing scene more expensive, it is making an accessible pro scene in Odessa existent at all.

Will Odessa get more expensive with time? Perhaps... probably... and you know I dont like to spend more than $150 max. I am already lamenting that next year I'll have to go to Kirgistan to get laid... but for the time being and while the goings good, I think Odessa could use some pro scene development. Beyond that, with the influx of sex tourists flocking there, development is inevitable. Nonethless introducing some semblance of organisation...i.e. more girls... could actually stabilize prices for awhile and increase the overall quality of girls available...
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One O Nine
03-03-06, 00:59
I guess you guys should start a "Don't Let 109 into Odessa" fund. Pay off some local politicans. Have me turned away at the airport. Or I might come in with my big wallet and turn Odessa into Moscow overnight. Right? RIGHT?


Sometime expats forget that they're just a tiny part of a large world. A lot of posters have illusions of grandeur and think that our small communities, or even certain individual members, have the power to affect market prices. We're a footnote, my friends. Locals set the prices. Prices in Moscow and Kiev are what they are because there's a tremendous concentration of local wealth in the capital cities.

Take Moscow for example. There's at least two dozen tochkas operating every night, with anywhere from 10 to 100 girls - for let's say 500 total tochka working girls any given night. There's 20 girls at NF and 30 at CF. Couple of hundred strippers at a dozen strip clubs. All charging anywhere from $100 to $500 for their bodies, for let's say a low-ball overage of $200. That's 750 girls at $200 each, i.e. around $150,000 changing hands every night. Then there's the internet and newspaper scene. Do you honestly think that a single man giving a girl a couple hundred extra bucks can alter anything? To change the price one way or another would take participation of hundreds and hundreds of clients over the course of at least several weeks.


A pro scene cannot be seen in the context of overall nationwide economics. This isn't a public service. This isn't real estate or autmotive market. Majority of the people don't pay for their sex, and never will, simply because they can't afford it, whether it be in the Ukraine or in the US. The market works for the wealthy, and thus the same rules apply that apply to luxury goods. The price of a pound of onions in Odessa may be lower than on the Upper East Side, but the price of a Swiss watch is the same everywhere. Once the influx of wealth begins, all other things being equal, the process is irreversible.

BartonJunk
03-03-06, 03:27
Thanks for your post Doctor Skank. I agree with all you've said there, based on my recent visti to Odessa.

And I think one of the charms of the city is that there is a good semi pro scene going. Yes, that means that you may have to work a little harder, but the payoff is good if you want some spontaniety and leave some things to chance. Hardened hookers who just watch the clock are a complete turnoff for me. Even the girl I had that gave me a great blowjob, though a pro, really acted more like a semipro, because I think the scene in Odessa is somewhat casual and not completely organized. That was definitely part of the charm of being there. The semipro girls seemed to have more time in their hand in general, and loved chattin and gettin to know you.

I'll take a willing 18yo semipro anyday. There is great fun in introducing less experienced girls to some kink and corrupting them a little. Hee hee. ;)

CA Traveler
03-03-06, 11:33
109... You've tapped into the on-going discussion of prices. I actually find it fascinating that everyone has discussed this subject for hours and millions of keystrokes over the past decade... since the development of the internet and there is still disagreement.

I agree that one monger by paying a high fee does not singlehandly cause the market to inflate. However, I would like to add a couple of points to the discussion.

First of all, I think that your market analysis of the Moscow monger market at $150K per night is FAR underderstated, but even at that it is a $55 million market annually which is nothing to sneeze at, but it could easily be quadruple that number. Still on the surface, you would think that this is even more of a proof statement to validate your point.

However, the real world is different... True one monger does not change the pricing, BUT multiply the many naive businessmen in Moscow who willingly lay out $400 or $500 per hour at NF and other clubs simply because they compare the prices and quality to NYC, LA or London. This does not happen in a vacuum... these girls talk constantly. So then, the next girl will start off at $500 or more and the next thing you know they all realize that they can do 75% of the men and make 50% more or, if they are really lucky, do the same number and maybe more than double their income. Doesn't take too many miles of sausage and they are paying cash for a new E-class.

What do you attribute the immediate increase in pricing at CF to? I can tell you simply... The the girls or the rare mamazon realized one at a time that they could increase the going rate from $100 to $150 and occasionally get the $250 or $300. Remember it wasn't too long ago that they were getting $70.

Look at the tochkas... when I started the prices were $70/100/150, with quality girls at $70 sometimes, now they are $100+/150+/200+/300+, and that doesn't even show that they have lowered the standards on the $100 girls to slightly more than dung.

On another point, take your analysis, $150K per night... What percentage of that is controlled and what is independent? Conservatively, I'd say at least 50% is controlled in someway. In that case, a "businessman" is looking at it and he may test higher prices in one club or one tochka, suddenly he realizes that the market is not very price sensitive and voila... the prices are increased across the board.

Like it or not, this is BIG BUSINESS and every transaction is scrutinized to see if it is the start of a trend. One night of loose spending does have AT LEAST the possiblity of getting someone's attention and forcing them to ask if they are selling too cheaply!!!

Of course, at the same time, as the price goes up, people will drop out of the market. I know many people who will not go back to Moscow, at least as often, because the prices for everything are WAY out of line with the rest of the world. Likewise, unlike you, I know that the prices of Swiss watches are NOT the same all over the world. Because of that, I buy all of my Swiss watches in Switzerland because they are cheaper than in the USA or UK and especially Russia and Ukraine.

In any case, if you decide to come to Odessa, I will be happy to continue this discussion over a beer or a glass of "fine" Ukrainian red "old bastardo" vino, but I may ask you to lock your billfold in the safe and only take $60 with you for the evening! :)

One O Nine
03-03-06, 15:43
Nothing to add to your excellent analysis there CaT. The situation is very complex and very fluid. I was just pointing out that there's a whole world out there, and not just me and my crazy spending habits. I always draw fire, especially over PMs, after I post something about some expensive purchase I've made, and I just wish people understood I'm not the sole reason girls cost $500 at NF, and even if I died a sudden, horrible death that some wished on me nothing would change in the overall situation.

Once in a strip club I saw a gentleman from Caucasus give out $1,000 for a blowjob in the private dance room. He was surrounded by strippers, took three of them home, and gave everybody including the ohrana $100 each. Just a few days ago at the same place I saw a drunken group from Tumen' give a stripper (!!!) $500 to show them her boob. Then they all cheered loudly. They repeated that for her ass, and then did the same with a few more strippers.

This don't mean that tomorrow an uvol'nenie at 911 VIP is going to cost ten thousand bucks. If I come to Odessa and give every girl I screw a thousand dollars, after I leave the prices will remain exactly the same. There are exceptions, and there are trends. A single man is always an exception, and for a trend to occur, a much more complex mechanism must be in place.


But yeah, Odessa is definitely on my list now; and I promise I'll be very, very careful in your zapovednik.

Cruiser D
03-03-06, 17:03
109, I'm not singling you out or decrying the fact that you in particular are over paying the girls - which you are. It is your money and you can do anything at all you'd like to with it. But I do like to point out things; at some of the rates you have mentioned paying why bother leaving the US (assuming you are from here) at all. You can live within the confines of the greatest service country in the world and find a lot of mind numbing pros and semi pros at prices cheaper then you have mentioned. My argument is when it reaches this point something is grossly out of whack. When I go to RP and some solid 8 quotes me $300. I think two things - first, I can pick up the phone and have a solid 8 at my house in the US in about 60 minutes for $250-$300(sure she is only going to stay for 60 or 90 minutes but hey, isn't that a good thing?). The second thing I think is that the prior 1,109 109's caused this situation. I'm not admonishing you or your brethren for it. I'm just pointing out the cause and effect and logic or lack of behind it. It was bound to happen sooner or later, I just prefer later.

I am a little bit jaded because I made a habit of dating US strippers and low level porn stars during my mid-late 20's. Guys would give them 500-1k, pay their rent/car payment all for basically nothing more then a little bit of their time. Unfortunately these guys have seem to gone through ever stripper and porn star in the US and are now making their way to the CIS. Now with dating semi pros, translators and 'western' girls in Kiev I see the same thing happening. I often remark to friends that being in Kiev is like watching my 20's unfold in a former Soviet setting. Perhaps I should just grow up and get married - nah, I like it too much.

Now let me ask you this, you walk into the local Benzs dealership and you know the latest base 600SL is retailing around 130k. The salesman slides up to you and say, nice car huh? I can let you have it for a special price of 150k. Do you:

1) Sign the contract at 150k and throw in 10k cause the salesman was a nice guy.
2) Offer him 120k because you know that's the going rate for a base 600SL
3) Fly to Germany and buy it at the Teutonic discount

Bottom line is I know prices are bound to go up, as the region becomes more and more popular. All I am say is that the prices in some areas (Moscow and Kiev) are unreasonable - as in lacking sound reason. But hey, the world is a pretty unreasonable place.

Party on.

One O Nine
03-03-06, 17:30
Cruiser, I know what you mean, and I know the situation sucks, but there's nothing either of us can do about it. Like I said, it's not just me, and there are people much worse than me out there. Girls we want gravitate towards people with money, and a lot of people with money are used to spending it like there's no tomorrow. There's nothing unreasonable about that.

And with your Benz example, I only drive a lowly S430, but I did pay a bit extra for it, precisely because I got it from a large respected dealership. I could have gone to the little guy down the street and saved a few grand, but I like the fact that the guy I did get it from had a large selection and I could get exactly what I wanted as soon as I came in, I like the priority for service and the free coffee and sandwiches while I wait, and the friggin 20 dollar MB blanket I got in the mail as a "gift" made me feel much better than any $20 bill ever could. In short, convenience costs money. That's the reason I still continue to work, in order to continue to afford life's little conveniences. There's nothing unreasonable about that either.

The only solution really is to start a communist revolution and abolish money altogether. Until then, frugal people, and people who spend money like crazy, will continue to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) each other off.

Cruiser D
03-03-06, 18:07
I am somewhat of a Yankee, so you have to excuse the way I look at things. I don’t mind spending money as long as there is an underlying value for it -according to my value system of course.

I paid around 130k for my Benz. I would never pay that much for the comparable model in Germany.

I pay around $250-$300 for a 18-22 year old solid 8 pro/semi pro in the US. I would never pay that much for the same quality girl in Kiev or Moscow.

The same goes for apartments in Kiev. I really really really want to buy an apartment in Kiev. But there is no way in hell I am paying the same rates for an apartment in Kiev as I would in any first class western city.

But it’s interesting how peoples value systems work. I balked and ran for cover when two girls I was dating wanted to go to PaTiPa in Kiev NYE – DJ semi famous name was playing there and the cover was $100 per. Insane I thought…but then again I have no problem paying the $200 table fee at Arena because the fee goes towards purchases made.

Stravinsky
03-03-06, 18:49
cat,

you're right, this subject has been discussed to death, but, it's still fun to kibbitz. the good lord willing and the creek don't rise, i may be in odessa this summer and we can discuss it further over a bottle of kindz-mara-uli.

as we all know... too many people paying too much for anything will raise the price; be it sex, tulip bulbs, or internet ipo's. it's an historical fact.

robin willims remarked once, "cocaine is god's way of telling you that you are making too much money". i imagine you could also say that paying $1,000 for a bj or $500 for a peek at a dyev's tittie is another. i'm sure that kavkazian felt like a big man throwing all that money around. his ego might have deflated a little if he could have heard the object of his desire telling her girlfriends about the "stupid tourist" who wasted so much money on her. and i can just hear their response now, "yes, yes! we must find more stupid tourists!"

you can read all about it on the moldova board.

109,

no, i don't think they should bar you from entry, but i do think they should confirep001e your wallet. the next time i see my good friend polkovnik yuri, i will let him know. lol

the thought of you, mongering in odessa, is disturbing.

i enjoy reading the reports about your escapades in mockba. i have to marvel at the amounts of cash you spend. i can only wish that i had your financial resources. your spending habits in moscow don't bother me in the least, because the market in moscow is so immense and diverse that we are not competeing with each other. for a fraction of what you would spend in 911, i can have a much better time in puzir. but then, i have a natural advantage, since i speak the lingo, just as i will in odessa.

i do have to wonder why anyone would willingly spend more money than they have to. it's almost become a badge of honor with you, and i imagine that's why you get so many pm's.

compared to moscow, odessa is like a village. while even your cash will not move the market overnight, it will give the girls something to think about. do we really want to do that?

can we agree now to make odessa a "no squandering zone" all we're asking you to do is just don't spend more than the going rate. you can save the rest for, well, moscow.

Sponsor74
03-03-06, 19:16
I guess you guys should start a "Don't Let 109 into Odessa" fund. Pay off some local politicans. Have me turned away at the airport. Or I might come in with my big wallet and turn Odessa into Moscow overnight. Right? RIGHT?


Sometime expats forget that they're just a tiny part of a large world. A lot of posters have illusions of grandeur and think that our small communities, or even certain individual members, have the power to affect market prices. We're a footnote, my friends. Locals set the prices. Prices in Moscow and Kiev are what they are because there's a tremendous concentration of local wealth in the capital cities.

Take Moscow for example. There's at least two dozen tochkas operating every night, with anywhere from 10 to 100 girls - for let's say 500 total tochka working girls any given night. There's 20 girls at NF and 30 at CF. Couple of hundred strippers at a dozen strip clubs. All charging anywhere from $100 to $500 for their bodies, for let's say a low-ball overage of $200. That's 750 girls at $200 each, i.e. around $150,000 changing hands every night. Then there's the internet and newspaper scene. Do you honestly think that a single man giving a girl a couple hundred extra bucks can alter anything? To change the price one way or another would take participation of hundreds and hundreds of clients over the course of at least several weeks.


A pro scene cannot be seen in the context of overall nationwide economics. This isn't a public service. This isn't real estate or autmotive market. Majority of the people don't pay for their sex, and never will, simply because they can't afford it, whether it be in the Ukraine or in the US. The market works for the wealthy, and thus the same rules apply that apply to luxury goods. The price of a pound of onions in Odessa may be lower than on the Upper East Side, but the price of a Swiss watch is the same everywhere. Once the influx of wealth begins, all other things being equal, the process is irreversible.

in some countries the Swiss watches are cheaper than here in Switzerland and moreover you get the Tax refund

One O Nine
03-03-06, 20:35
I do have to wonder why anyone would willingly spend more money than they have to. It's almost become a badge of honor with you, and I imagine that's why you get so many PM's.

Where does the notion come from that I somehow pay more than I have to? I always pay the market price, whatever it is. I don't bargain with a girl because I find that a bargained price gets me sub-par performances. When a girl is good to me, and I'm looking for repeat business, I give her a nice tip, because that way the next time I'll get even more out of her. I don't do that very often.

Prices in Moscow rose during the long periods when I was at home. I really started going there and spending my money less than a year ago; and during that time the prices stayed exactly the same.


I enjoy reading the reports about your escapades in Mockba. I have to marvel at the amounts of cash you spend. I can only wish that I had your financial resources. Your spending habits in Moscow don't bother me in the least, because the market in Moscow is so immense and diverse that we are not competeing with each other. For a fraction of what you would spend in 911, I can have a much better time in Puzir. But then, I have a natural advantage, since I speak the lingo, just as I will in Odessa.

Я свободно говорю по Русски, и практически без акцента. Москвичи еще что-то во мне улавливают, некоторые принимают меня за прибалта, а в Киеве меня все принимают за москаля.

С профессионалками я предпочитаю скрывать этот факт в основном в силу привычки. С бесплатными девушками я последнее время наоборот говорю только по Русски, и успешно скрываю от них факт что я иностранец.

Так что, держись Одесса!



Compared to Moscow, Odessa is like a village. While even your cash will not move the market overnight, it will give the girls something to think about. Do we really want to do that?

Can we agree now to make Odessa a "no squandering zone" All we're asking you to do is just don't spend more than the going rate. You can save the rest for, well, Moscow.

Wherever I go, I always pay whatever the girl I want asks for. I know what the local prices are, and usually when I'm asked for an outrageous amount I walk away - 500 euros at NF, $700 at a Kiev strip clubs, etc. I do go for the higher-priced girls, but that's usually because they're better looking, and there's a better selection at the places they gather.

That's exactly what I'll do at Odessa. If you're all so worried (I'm not set on going yet by the way), then when / if I do go, I'll gladly let you guys set a spending cap for me per girl so everyone can rest easy. I have no intentions of pissing anyone off. I just want to have a good time.

Doctor_Skank
03-03-06, 20:55
Just a humble question inbetween... where do we find top girls in Odessa at decent prices?

I mean 8+... I've seen plenty of 7s at $100... apparently they also go for $60 with the right connections/inside knowledge.

Is Odessa a budget mongering market for girls in the 5-7 range, or are 8-9s also available at affordable prices? Where are they?

Or is that information nobody is willing to put on the net and open the floodgates to Odessa?

Lets keep from squandering Odessa? For every one of us posting here and lamenting this question, there are dozens of lurkers out there reading our posts who couldnt give a damn about holding any agreed price ceiling, not to mention the sex tourists who go there flying blind without any idea of what sex there can and should cost. That's not even mentioning the local high-rollers, middle-rollers and sailors on shore leave...

CA Traveler
03-03-06, 21:06
I really didn't mean to start a landslide... I personally believe that a person should spend his money as he sees fit... After all it is HIS money! I won't embarass myself by telling you some of the outrageous prices I have paid for some very specialty stock. At the same time, I will brag about the two 18 y.o. who doubled up for $30 total and I could have gottten it for less...

The point being that sure we can spend our money ANY WAY we choose, but the point being is why take a chance on inflating a market that is not on the upward slope.. yet!

Right now in ODS, if a girl does something nice for me, I feed them... I give them a T-shirt... I let them leave with a bottle of Coke... I give them taxi money. I treat my girls nice.. that is why I have them show up on my door step every night begging me to let them in. In fact, I may be giving them more than they are used to... so even I may be guilty of "overpaying" but the difference is that I don't over pay with "Bens"...

Actually this is a discussion that will go on forever... And I am really torn between both sides because I think it is your money and you should do with it as you wish, but I also know that everyone of us is a part of the market and that means that every dollar we spend is like a vote... the more we "vote" to set the prices, the more each "vote" has and then the prices go up. Take my advise... If you want to give "bonuses"... stop at the duty-free and buy some perfume or stop at a local bar and pick-up some T-shirts for your trip. In some ways, these little gifts mean more to the girls than the money because they have to share it in many cases... IMHO! :)

Stravinsky
03-03-06, 21:27
Я свободно говорю по Русски, и практически без акцента. Москвичи еще что-то во мне улавливают, некоторые принимают меня за прибалта, а в Киеве меня все принимают за москаля.

С профессионалками я предпочитаю скрывать этот факт в основном в силу привычки. С бесплатными девушками я последнее время наоборот говорю только по Русски, и успешно скрываю от них факт что я иностранец.
Понятна, успокойте себя, пожалуйста.

This is precisely my point, you have the skills to negotiate, but you choose not to. And of course, no one wants to poison the relationship by being hard-nosed, but I think this is a fear that is unique to Americans.

In most of the rest of the world, negotiation is expected. Be they chicas or dyevushki, they never expect the man to accept their offer out of hand. They put up their highest price, expecting you to knock it down. My experience has been that negotiation can actually help the relationship, because then, they respect you. And every woman, pro or not, wants to be with a man she can respect.

Except of course, in the U.S., which is why we’re all somewhere else. ;)

Custen
03-06-06, 11:29
Doctor Shank: your "Quote in post #232"

"Will Odessa get more expensive with time? I am already lamenting that next year I'll have to go to Kirgistan to get laid... "

I did fly out of Borispol to travel around Kyrgystan last summer.

Should I inform you, and take the risk of sending respectable and nice people like 109 to Biskek?

I understand he is very wealty and want,for good personal reasons, behave in a way who could be against my (our) future interst = $.

People are free to burn Hryvnas,float in jacussi full of champagne and dyev's or lose $$$ in the many casinos of Odessa,Kyiv,Moscow.

But should we,then,share our new hunting grounds, quiet fishing ponds and last frontiers?

Doctor_Skank
03-06-06, 18:38
Custen:

Beyond the fact that 109 is a friend of mine and a ISG poster of significant value, in most cases he is paying market prices... but he is just in markets most of us dont delve into, at least not cheap-o's like me.. :)

Paying $500 for 2 NF pros in Moscow? Well, that's what it costs. can you maybe spend $400 and get the same? Maybe... but you could also spend $800... and some guys do.

Spend $500 on a stripper at a Moscow strip club? Well, that's about what they cost.

No, 109 is not going to go to a Moscow tochka and counter their offer of $150 with "no, I'd rather pay $300."

He isnt ruining RP prices and certainly isn't going to go to Odessa and start paying way more than market prices. And even if he did.

Market prices are definitely beyond our control, how we deal with them is up to us. As for Odessa being a secret "pristine" hunting ground, that is the worst kept secret since Pitt poking Angeline Jolie.

BTW: I didnt see many posts from you in the Kirgistan section. Is that privileged information?

Bigdan
03-29-06, 13:17
I plan a future trip to Odessa.
Have any of you guys some information about Hotels and Apartments?
Are Hotels girl Friendly?

Also any recommendation´s on Freebies?

Cheers

BIGDAN

Doctor_Skank
03-29-06, 13:52
Big Dan:

Forget hotels, go with an apartment. Cheaper, cleaner, better. Contact Ca_T on this. All apartments are girl-friendly and girl approved.

Here is his website, or you can PM him here. He is a ISG member.

http://www.odessaexecutivesuites.com/

Freebies? Depends on what time of year. Actually, you may want to check out my previous post as well as those of the other guys. A little back -scrolling does wonders.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=439508&postcount=228

Have fun in Odessa, I'm sure you will!

Delgado
03-29-06, 14:42
Wouldn´t be surprised if Ca_T is booked out for the rest of the year soon with all the advertisement here. Just in case, here are 2 alternatives I had good experiences with:

www.odessaapts.com

www.odessarental.com


odessaapts.com is run by Arik, a young guy from New York born in Odessa. He visits Odessa frequently and will be glad to show you Arcadia action in summer if you´re new to the city.

www.odessaflats.com is an agency owned by an American family, they offer free airport transfer, haven´t tried them yet, though.

Bigdan
03-29-06, 20:21
Thanks, Doctor Skank and Alex,

Have you any information what rates these apartments are going at?

Regarding Freebies, Would be best to meet them at a disco? Any other Suggestions?

Thanks for your help

Cheers

BIGDAN

Delgado
03-29-06, 21:44
rates?? just take a look at the websites, the information is all there.

freebies in odessa? i´ve been there 3 times now, but to be honest, i met one of the most incredible girls ever during my first trip, and i´ve spent most of my time in odessa with her. one place for easy contact is "fidels", next to mcdonalds on deribasovskaya, when i was there alone or with a friend i almost always was able to chat with some students and i was surprised that many of them spoke decent english, or even some french and german.

the place to be in summer of course is arcadia, but the information is all in this thread, no sense in repeating.

Bigdan
03-29-06, 22:49
Cheers Axel,

Forgive me for be lazy reading all the previous posts, Odessa just caught an Interest lately from American friend who has told me that It is much better look with Freebies in Odessa than in Prague were I have been a regular:-)

Thanks again

BIGDAN

Goldfinger
03-30-06, 01:24
Odessa is a great town, but if you don't speak fluent Russian think twice. I hit it in the summer of 2004 without speaking a word of Russian and it is frustrating even if you have good game. The nightclubs at Arkadia are among the best in the world, just imagine the hippest nightclub in your hometown that you can walk into without queuing for a few dollars. Sounds great but if you don't speak the lingo then it's no fun. Ibiza at arkadia was wonderful, cheap to get into, cheap drinks but everybody is stone cold sober, they don't want to party with someone who doesn't speak the lingo. Anywhere else in western europe it would have been happening, a riot, Odessa not happening. I couldn't believe it but they just don't party like in the west. I met an English guy and an Iraq war vet who were not having a good time even though they spoke a little Russian and were buying dates from the local marraige agency. Think twice about this venue before you book. You could try Sunnny Beach in Bulgaria which is similar but has more westerners and local girls who speak english.

Leeuwen
03-30-06, 04:29
I agree. Unless you speak some Russian it's hard to get in touch with "good girls". There are plenly of pros, but who cares when 18-22 years old walk by in mini skirts. I got training in Russian when I was doing military service, but not even in my wildest imagination could predict the use of it.

Speaking Russian with accent, per se, is already an ice breaker, as you quickly receive the question "How come you speak Russian?". From there and on you will enjoy rest of the conversation and of couse, the aftermath.

Moreover, avoid hotels. Rent a flat. My experience is that "good girls" prefer not to be seen in hotels because locals associate visiting girls with prostitutes, and Odessa isn't that anonymous. A flat offers also better value for the money.

CA Traveler
03-30-06, 07:14
GF... just a point of reference, the visa rules were changed last summer for EU/UK/CH/USA/JP citizens and now no visa is required. I can't speak to the summer of 2004, but last year Odessa was packed with Europeans and Americans. Still a lot of Russian and Ukrainian girls though... THANK GOD!

Also, I do agree that Ibiza is not necessarily the best place to meet girls because most of them are hooked up to begin with. Almost all of the other Arkadia clubs though are not like that. Personally, my favorite, Itaka was packed with beautiful girls and I could have walked away with a different girl every night if I hadn't already been hooked up with my 19 y.o. GF from Dnepro.

AxlS... Unfortunately, Fidels is closed, but a new club is going in there. Our new operation, Odessa Executive Suites, is right next to it. Also, regarding apartment rental, keep in mind that almost all of the apartments listed on the web are apartments owned by Ukrainians and brokered by others. The apartment inventory on the web looks to be huge, but in reality it is not because almost everyone markets the same apartments, many of the lower priced places are Soviet-style places that may not appeal to everyone... especially when you can stay in a brand new Western style apartment for $5-10 more per night. In any case, Odessa is much less expensive that Moscow and even Kiev for almost everything!

My company is different in that my American partners and I own all of the apartments we offer for rent with a couple of minor exceptions which we built, sold to Americans and now manage as if we own them. This means that you don't have to deal with a middleman and a Ukrainian landlord to get a problem resolved since we have our own staff, electricians/plumbers/etc.

Personally, whether you stay with us or not, I hope everyone will visit Odessa just to enjoy it because the more people who visit, the more people who will return.

BTW, Odessa Flats is also owned by my company now, but the most up-to-date information is on our main website.