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CA Traveler
11-21-05, 07:56
OE... You are facing a common problem... First of all, the girls who are walking in pairs... Most Western men are too timid about approaching them. Go up to then and ask them a question. They may or may not try to help you, but the Q & A is in the numbers. The more people you ask the more who will speak English. Try to memorize a few basic RU phrases... i.e. Ya hachu... I want... Privet... hello... etc. A very few phrases will ingraiate them to you... Not always but sometimes. If you don't ask you will never have a chance. So, keep trying because that is what sales is all about.
Once you hit... Understand that they are probably not working girls and you must spend a little time establishing a bit of a relationship. Then, you can try to get them back to your place. However, remember that RU/Ukr girls will understand that if they go back to your room they willl be expected to have sex.
Also, remember that many of the girls on vacation will need to earn money so a conversation may/will lead to sex with or without payment in the summer tourist season.
I don't have all of the answers yet on the Ukr or ODS but I'm working on it... the Ukrainian girls are very beautiful and I like their attitude compared to the RU girls... SO stay tuned. The Ukraine is basically an untapped opportunity and I plan to mine it for all that it is worth so your/our future trips are more productive.
Member #2001
11-21-05, 10:09
First of all I will write a report about an experience I have had some time ago about this girl and then get on with the topic of the title.
I met Sofia on Lennina Street where she was talking with the other sw's there. I nailed here the first night. She was a freebee of mine that was really awful in bed. Did not like daty, and only wanted sex in one position. What a drag. Anyway it was free and always available to me. I nailed here a few time after that. She told me that she was to marry some Egyptian guy that was going to be a doctor, whatever. I guess she really was engaged to this guy though, because I seen them together on the boardwalk and later that night we screwed. She would always tell me that she loves me. She loves me. For all I know she is in Egypt at this moment under house arrest by her husband. Her sister was hot though and was only 18. I wanted to do her also but unfortunately I was on my way back to Kiev. I had to take these pictures when she least expected, and did not want me to take pictures of here in the nude, another drag. Well at least she was a go between from my other girls that I had there.
Now more about the title of this post: I have never found it difficult to get laid in Sevestopol. The only reason I did not post about it earlier was I wanted to keep that area a secret, but I guess the secret is out. By the way there are other areas in Ukraine where anyone can get laid for little or no money, but I will keep these places to myself, because when ever foreigners go to these places and they always seem to drive up the price of pussy.
Anyway palces to get laid in Sevastopol are everywhere. First I don’t understand how anyone goes to another country without knowing a little of the language or has someone is there that they can translate for them. A friend, business partner, or a travel buddy would be useful if you don't know the language. I found that summers there were horrendous. It seems like all the Russians, and all the other tourist are there and they drive the prices up for everything. Last time I was there rent was out of this world from what I remember of Ukraine a long time ago. I use to pay 50 dollars for a two room apartment on Lennina back in 99. I can not imagine what the prices are like there now. I imagine it was something like Kiev at the moment, since it was heading in that direction.
For sw's there are everywhere on Bolshoya Morskoya and also on Lennina across the street from the Hotel Ukraine at the bus stop and on the one down from the other bus stop. Sofia told me that they give blow jobs just off to the side, in a ravine there. Sorry I can’t remember what the buildings there were called, but I believe the bus stop was accross from the street from the library, and near to the Hotel Ukraine. Prices at that time, before 2001 and earlier were 30 to 100 grevna depending on the type of girl and the time of season. Summer is always more expensive.
On Bolshoya Morskoya they use to sit in the part of the street where it just begins to curve and also on the main portion of the street I would see them hanging around also. Near to the boat launch there is a small park just off to the side and I always remember that they would sit together there, but none of them did anything for me. Alot of girls smoking those Prema Lux cigerettes and drinking vodka (very attractive). I remember a few fat pigs that wanted 100 grevnia and I thought that was crazy so I passed.
I remember that they also use to sit near to the Hotel Ukraine, but the last time I was there they did not seem to congragate there so much, also 100 grevna.
A place called Pyat Kilometer (five Kilometer) they use to meander there and as I understand it was also 100 grevna, but I never went up there, since I heard from a muscle man guy that is a freind of mine and use to work up there protecting the girls and they would lead their Johns to a place where he would rip them off and then the girl would split the stolen money with him. He told me that these girls were mostly drug addicts, so I never went up there, I can’t tell you about the current prices up there, because I don’t know about it.
There are also about 6 or so marriage agencies there that you could use I guess if you wanted to go that route, but they charge western prices like 10 dollars per name and address. It’s also a rip-off in my option. These women want you to take them out and spend big money on them before they leave the country with you and become a citizen.
Another way to get girls is you can put an add in the paper and wait to get response from it. I have had success with this in the past and had the time to answer the replies. I always like to get a GFE expense whenever possible.
Another idea to try is the discos and dance clubs. I don’t particularly like this mode because I just don’t like the music and they play the music TOO DAMN LOUD!!! It makes it hard to talk with someone if they can’t hear you.
Shock Club: It was the only place that was a strip joint there, but from what I understand in the last several postings there are several there now. I have heard that if you see a girl you like and want to do here you can have a chat with her for about 50 grevna I think, and then ask her if she would like to go back to your apartment after the place closes about 4 am for about 100 USD. I have never don’t this either since I can not justify spending that type of money for a 30 minute quickie.
Last place anyone can try is the local escorts. I have never used an escort before and it will be my last time in this city. These can be found in any ad paper called reclama or something like this. I think there are several of them there. I ordered a girl there and they were late. If they show up more then 15 minutes late then I get pissed off and really take's away from the experience. She show up 2 hours late and I was really pissed and showed up with Boris Badinov (remember Rocky and BullWinkle). Anyway it was her heavy. This girl was a total dead fish and was more interested in smoking my cigarettes and I could not wait until she left. Needless to say I could not get my rocks off. Total waist of my time, but I just wanted to experience an escort in Sevastopol at the time. Total damage done was 100 grevna.
If you know no Russian I would recommend asking someone there that knows both English and Russian. I have found that almost everyone there knows some Basic English like hi and goodbye, but some are hesitant to talk with you because there is still a certain amount of mistrust that goes back to the cold war. At least it was like that back in 01. Also if you still have no clue then just ask a taxi driver to take you to some dechonkie (girls) and he will take you to them. You will have to communicate with them somehow.
The best time to find them are late at night after 10 pm or so.
These were my experences some time ago and I am not possitive about what the situation is there today, since I have not been back there since 2001.
Doctor_Skank
11-21-05, 14:07
Ocean Explorer:
If you plan on going beyond Kiev and into the Ukrainian interior you will have to learn some Russian. It doesnt have to be much, but some is a must if you hope to enjoy yourself.
Sure you can always find somebody who speaks English in Ukraine... younger people are smart enough over there... but you will have a difficult time finding uneducated people who speak English.
Why do you want to speak to the uneducated?
Because the uneducated include all those people you need to communicate with to find pros in middle-sized and smaller towns. The uneducated include for example taxi drivers, pimps, prostitutes... dont expect them to speak English. If they could, they'd probably have a better job.
Some mongers and ISG members insist you'll never need anything but English to get around. It may be true to an extent in Kiev (to an extent), but quite honestly it has not been my experience. Knowing how to say a few basic things and understanding what people say is a huge advantage. If you cant say anything you are totally at the mercy of those who do speak English and whether you are looking for a bride with an agency or looking to get laid with a prostitute on a Tuesday night, or even trying to coax a student into bed for free... if you are only able to communicate in a language that most dont understand, your ability to navigate and maneuver will be severely limited. This seems to correspond with your own experience.
Younger people will likely at least understand some English, but you may never get the opportunity to find out if you cant at least communicate the very basics in Russian.
"There are typical beautiful Ukrainian women walking in pairs around the harbor area and dancing with each other in the bars that surround that area (almost never do you see guys dancing). But everytime I tried to approach any of them they spoke no english - bummer."
One of the great things about EE is the way the girls dance with each other. . I especially love watching teenage girls groping each other on the dance floor. Sometimes its a better show than in a strip club. The vast majority of these girls are just out to have fun and not "working" in any way. Many of them have boyfriends. Ukrainian girls love to turn guys on... which is seemingly the sole reason they dance. They get off on it. It doesnt mean that they are available. You'll have to approach them at some point or another to found out though, there is no way around it. Many of them dont speak any English and the ones that do might be too shy or ashamed. Or, they may simply not want to speak English with you. Shit happens. Happens to all of us.
"There are some strip clubs. But it didn't seem to be an option to take someone home. But honestly I didn't actually ask."
You can almost always take girls home from strip clubs. Maybe not any girl working that night, but there will almost always be some that go home with customers. Expect to pay about $100. You may have to speak Russian though and you'll have to speak to the right person.
Ocean Explorer
11-21-05, 17:00
Everyone, Thanks for the tips.
The bottom line appears to be that I should expend more effort to learn some Russian and focus on freebes first. Will certainly help in Moscow as well. I like Skank's approach and stories.
I'm not sure when I'll get back to Sevastopol (I've got to first get a project renewed with a colleague there) but I may be in Moscow in January so I'll report after that. I could also be in the Black Sea town of Gelendzhik more over the next two years.
Mostly I've been in Ukraine or Moscow in the cold so not many girls are hanging around outside and its no fun to talk on the street. And the trips are so short that I am either recovering from jet lag (+11 hours for me) or going home. I'll have to fix that by staying longer and getting an overcoat!
OE
I will be visiting Dnepro and other cities in April and May. Looking for any buddies who want to go hunting.
Tom
I have been in both cities.
What do you want to know?
Just ask me some precise questions and I will try to answer to you.
Going to Yalta for a few days this week.
Looking at getting a place through ukraineapartments.com
They seem friendly enough but they are now asking me to prepay a 100 USD deposit (for two nights in a 40 USD room :-) )
I would not mind doing this once I had arrived and seen the apartment.
Any one used this agency for the crimea before?
And obviously Yalta girl info appreciated, but I have got a few ideas from previous posts.
KHARKOV
If you go to an apartment, price will be around 80-120 Hrivnias ( around 16-24 dollars). It's the price for one session....It sometimes can last 1 hour and you can even have 2 sex sessions in 1 hour, it depends on the girl....
If you ask for an escort, it will be the same price. She will come to your apartment and it will be for 1 hour or just for 1 session sex, so just ask the girl before starting. For the whole night, I have never tried, but I think it should be around 100 dollars or 500 Hrivnias or just a bit more, but that's not like in Kiev anyway...
If you go to a bar in a hotel, it will be more expensive, from 30-50 dollars for 1 hour...
The name of the newspaper is PREMIER, then you go to Znakomtsva.
You can also find girls in the streets near the big square on the main avenue. The name of the street is SUMSKAYA. It's right in the center. Just stroll around a bit before midnight and you will some of them....Price is 100 Hrivnias for 1 sex session or for 2 times in 1 hour, it depends on the girl....
DNEPROPETROVSK
I had many escorts there, some really good, some really bad. Kind of luck or bad luck.....
Price was from 80-150 Hrivnias.....
I paid 150 Hrivnias with only one agency and girls were cute and young 18-20. I had 2 girls in that agency. A man came in front of the building, where I lived, with the girls and then I could choose.....It was really one hour sex with most of them.....What a great time....
I have been in one apartment near the train station. I don't remember the adresses, but girls were young and good....Price was 100 Hrivnias for around 45 minutes....
I always speak in Russian. I even never tried to speak English...
I just said that I wanted young girls 18-22, asked for the price, and then I gave my adress and my phone number.
Then I waited for them..... Sometimes quite a long time.....At the end they came and I went down the buildings to see the girls and to choose one. It happened that I took no girls and I just gave them 10 or 20 Hrivnias for the taxi and for me no sex at all for the day.....
I've just found an old PREMIER or PRIMIER (I don't know how to say it) (My Russian is just basic).
That's numbers from last year....
54.84.55
28.11.41
761.02.02
28.60.46
21.12.37
761.22.19
192.092
22.44.67
28.12.24
some mobiles now
8066.7000.969
8050.683.50.02
8067.995.58.55
8066.718.99.38
These are phone numbers from 2004. So it's better to check first in the newspapers full of adds PREMIER or PRIMIER.
Some girls don't want to go to your apartment. They would prefer, that you come to their apartment, where 2 or 3 girls work together.
The only problem is to understand the name and the number of the street, then to find the street....So have a good plan of Kharkov....
Furthermore, as I already said, not many girls speak English, but I am pretty sure that many of them would understand some words anyway.....
Good luck guys....
I hope it helps....
When everyone says Apartment in the Ukraine context, does it mean that those apartment rents are based on monthly payment? For example I read few posts below that US$50 or so for an apartment. Is it for a day? If so, how in the world the natives can afford to rent an apartment where monthly wages are around US$ 200 per month?
Are we able to rent an apartment like in the US for few months in Ukraine? If so, what is the approximate lowest rent for a single room apartment for a month in Kiev or other major cities? Are there any apartments in the small towns or in countryside?
BigthDikth
12-04-05, 19:28
Thanks for the info Volpone. What do the girls look like in those two cities? Blonde or more the Asian influence? Tall and thin or...
Girls were like in Kiev.
Some girls even come from other cities.
You know Kharkov is nearly as big as Kiev.
Furthermore there are many universities and there are students from the whole Ukraine and from some others countries. I saw many black people or people from Arabic countries, that study in Kharkov, because they have some very good universities...
Kharkov has around 2 millions inhabitants. You also have a metro like in Kiev and it is very useful to go to some apartments outside the city center. However many of the apartments are in the center or very close to it, so you can go on foot...
Generally speaking, the girls, that I got in Kharkov, was really good...
Many students work in apartments...
In one apartment I got a girl and that was a first day, that she was there. I had sex with her and then I asked her to come to my apartment 2 days after.
2 days after I met her downstairs and she told me, that she didn't work the day before and that she would go now with her boyfriend on holidays.
So she just worked one day and one more time with me. She had perhaps 6 customers and she got half price of what they paid, so around perhaps 60 dollars. When she came to my apartment, I gave her 20 dollars in Hrivnias and she stayed 1 hour.....
So many girls are a kind of non-pros, they just work a bit to get extra-money...
I don't really remember if there are many blond girls in Kharkov or in Dnepropetrovsk, but anyway there are many beautiful one....
Dnepropetrovsk has less inhabitants than Kharkov.
A bit more than one million.....
You also have good restaurants and shopping centre there....
They have big parks in the center or very near....
Hotels are much cheaper than in Kiev, but the best thing to do is to rent an apartment.
I rented an apartment with a dating agency, but I wasn't interested in getting some rendez-vous with girls of the agency. They just asked me if I was interested and I said perhaps, I will see....and I never called the agency for that...
I have tried to contact them again to rent an apartment one more time, but they didn't answer....I think neighbours have told them that girls came to my apartment to have sex......Everyone could see that from the window.....
Doctor_Skank
12-04-05, 22:04
Bikth:
Bez is right, the Slavic race is extremely varied in appearance, but yes, there are plenty of blondes in Dnepro.
This girl (picture isnt mine, its from the net) is fairly representative of the type I often met in Dnepro... the pale-skinned, light-eyed blonde.... I guess what you would call stereotypically Ukrainian or Slavic.
As I posted before another option in Dnepro is taking strippers home, the price is (or was) about $100/night for girls in the 6-8 category.
BigthDikth
12-05-05, 00:33
A hot an' nasty chick like that is the reason I'm learning Russian! Thanks for the responses
Any new info on Kharkov. Will be visiting in early Jan06.
Looking for place or site to rent apartment, new clubs, bars, discos.
Are the universities in session in early January? Is it a good time to visit?
If anybody wants to meet up will be there Jan4-9. I am fluent in russian, but have never been to Kharkov.
Any new info on Kharkov. Will be visiting in early Jan06.
Looking for place or site to rent apartment, new clubs, bars, discos.
Are the universities in session in early January? Is it a good time to visit?
If anybody wants to meet up will be there jan4-9. I am fluent in russian, but have never been to kharkov.
Hi,
I have traveled to many tourist cities I nFSU now I want to try eastern cities. Are there alot of werterners in these cities. How are the ggirls? I want t oknow price for pros and also where to meet freebies. I will be going in middle of April to middle of may and plan either dnepro or kharkov. Which city has cheapest, easiest, LOL, girls?
Captain Fire
12-11-05, 08:24
Hello Gents
I'm heading to Vinnitsa for about 3 weeks in Jan. Anyone know of escorts or P4P in this town. Its about 500 000 so I would imagine there are some. I have an apartment and am looking for some one niters through the time there. Any idea of prices also appreciated. Will post a report if anything happens.
Sure that you can find P4P in Vinnitsa, but I am also sure that I will be a bit more difficult than in Kiev...
To find the streets, where prostitutes are, just ask a taxi driver. Don't forget that the price for 1 hour is around 100 Hrivnias.
To find escorts, ask for newspapers full of adds....But then it will be a bit difficult to find somebody that can or want to understand English, but still possible....Price of an escort like in Dnepropetrovsk or in Kharkov, from 80-150 Hrivnias, but not more than that. Always ask the girl first if it's sex for 1 time or 2 times....
Another possibility, the best but the more expensive is to go to lobby of the best hotels in Vinnitsa. Prices should be from 150-250 Hrivnias for 1 hour, around 30-50 dollars...
What do you mean by Wingman, Tom 73, is it the name of a city in Ukraine???
I saw many foreigners in Kharkov, but most of them came from Arabic countries and Africa or other Soviet countries. They came there to study. So most of them were students at the universities.
In Dnepro I saw some Americans or Europeans. They were at the hotel Dnepro. They have paid an agency to meet girls. So they met a girl, they have a walk with her and then they will perhaps see her again and they will perhaps marry her....
It's not like in Kiev, where you can see more and more people from USA or Western Europe....
Bez Bezarra
12-11-05, 14:06
Here are some phonenumbers (2004 in the local newspaper)
You will need a russian speaking man, who will do the calls for you.
girls-vinniza
+380679178115
+380674309692
+380676011764
+380677969066
+380676022048
taxi-vinniza
+380672867779
+380506694443
hotel-vinniza
+380432321771
How's this?
Hello Tom73,
There are not many differences with the 2 cities. Prices are the same and quality of girls too. I had beautiful one in Kharkov and Dnepro and some girls were ugly and I had to say no or to go away...
You can get infos about prices if you read my report down...
Anyway for an escort or in an apartment, never pay much than 30 dollars for 1 hour.
1 hour means either sex one time or two times, it depends on the girl so just ask before sex...
I think there are more universities in Kharkov than in Dnepro but I am not really sure about that....
If you use a newspaper with adds and then you call, in Kharkov there gave you adresses in apartments...
In Dnepro they usually came to my place and I had been only 2 times in the same apartment. That's the only place that they asked me to pass by....
As it was in the center, I did it...
Freebies you can meet them everywhere.
You can use internet if you can read Russian, try to chat with them or to try some websites as www.gala.ru or bigmir.net.
You can also find them in shops or in the streets, it will depends on your physical appearance, your luck, your way of talking, etc.....
I hope it helps
Hi,
I have traveled to many tourist cities I nFSU now I want to try eastern cities. Are there alot of werterners in these cities. How are the ggirls? I want t oknow price for pros and also where to meet freebies. I will be going in middle of April to middle of may and plan either dnepro or kharkov. Which city has cheapest, easiest, LOL, girls?
Volpone - wingman is an american term meaning someone with you.
"someone on your wing" from airplanes
To find an apartment in Kharkov or in some other cities in Ukraine, there is a good way, just use dating agencies.
You write to one of them and you say that you want to rent an apartment for a few days or a few weeks, but you are not interested in meeting Ukrainian girls ....(even if you are interested in fucking them, but before that you would pay a lot to the agency, much better to use profesionals or some non-pros, that you will meet by yourself).
Of course you won't pay the same price as if you would be able to look with someone, who lives there....barrier of language...
On that website the cheapest apartment costs around 35 dollars for 1 night...
www.allbeautiful.net
CA Traveler
12-13-05, 22:48
vv.. Where do you find beautiful girls on the Black Sea???? First... look for water... then look for sand! If that fails... look for outdoor cafe... If that fails look for a street where you can ask for directions.
Come on! Use your imagination, this is not rocket science. The Black Sea is surrounded by beautiful women in the summer!
Was in Yalta recently.
Great break from Kiev. Was 14 degrees compared to -4 degrees in Kiev.
There were approximately 8 girls hanging out in the Cafe Voschod. Mostly 5's but a few better ones.
Anyway, there were some Turkish guys in the cafe and they soon called the girls over for a chat and it was clear they were working.
I saw two cute girls outside the cafe. They were friends of the girls inside but younger and cuter. I asked about prices but could not get it below 70 USD for an hour so not feeling well I left it.
To find the cafe, go over the small bridge near the McDonalds where the taxis are and walk along the middle street. The street turns to the left after 100m and cafe is a couple of shops up on the left hand side.
Whatever you do just get a drink, take it from me the food is purely for decoration!
Yalta is a small place ... you will find it. Anyway, working girls just seem to wander around this part of town anyway late at night.
I used http://www.ukraineapartments.com/. I found them very fair (unlike other more popular places I tried). It is actual landlords rather than an agency (so what you see on the site is what you get).
Hello everybody,
Who would be interested in renting with me a furnished apartment in a city in Ukraine for the whole month of Mai???
I am interested in staying either in Kharkov or Dnepropetrovsk or Odessa or Zaparojie, but not in Kiev.....Escorts are the less than the half of the price as it is in Kiev....And apartments too are cheaper.....
Just write to me on that board or to my private messages....
By the way I don't care if you are black or white, young or old.
What is important is if you are interested in chating up girls and to look for sex with me there.....
When I was in Kharkov, somebody talked me about ARGUS complex. In that place there are a disco, MASK, a sauna, billard and perhaps some others interesting spots.
As you enter the disco, go on walking towards the bathrooms and you will notice a room with top less dancers. 50 Hrivnias to enter, and the price for 1 girl should be around 60 dollars....
It would be great if somebody could confirm that information...
There are some others discos to find girls.
One is on Gogolia street, that's a small street just behind Cymckaia.
The best is to buy the newspaper PRIMIER full of adds and to call one of the phone number to get a girl at home or to go to an apartment...
There is also a website www.primier.ua
I hope it helps
CA Traveler
01-01-06, 22:06
valpone... in ODS you'll have more girls that you can imagine for $50-$60 for a session, but not all night... unless you use your Italian charme on them! :)
Yes the price I got in Argus is expensive for Kharkov. That's a place, where only rich people from Kharkov goes....
Prices in Kharkov is usually from 20 dollars to 30 for 1 hour.
I think it should be the same in Odessa.
Bez Bezarra
01-01-06, 23:40
Yes, yes, yes, its $30 for an hour, but don't forget.
Those are almost always no better than a 6.
Once in a while, maybe a 7 and a rare 8, but
most are low quality.
Bez Bezarra, I don't really agree with you, what concerns the quality, that you can get in Kharkov for the price of 20-30 dollars.
About Kiev, you are right, that many of the girls, that work in the 50 dollars agencies for 1 hour, are rarely topnotch girl.
In Kharkov if you ask for an escort, you will pay from 20-30 dollars....The girl will stay for 1 session or 2 sessions, it depends on the girl....So it will be around 20 minutes or perhaps one hour.....
If you go to a bar in a hotel at night time and you want to get the same girl for 1 hour, you will pay the double.....She works during the day for an escort or in apartment and in the evening, she may go to the MIR hotel and you will pay more.....
In apartment you may really get some girls, that do that for a few days....That's what I got in Kharkov. One of them just did that to have some pocket money for her holidays on the Black sea with her boyfriend....
As somebody told on that board, at River Palace in Kiev, you can pay more than 100 dollars for 1 hour or a few hours for a stunning girl, a real 9 or 10 and sex might be really bad, because she shows you, that she didn't enjoy it or because she only wants one position.....or some other reasons....
Furthermore I prefer to have a kind of inocence girl, I mean a girl that would do that just a few days or a few weeks or has just started....Even if the girl is not a 9 or 10, it gives a different atmosphere of the situation.....And I love that......Much better sometimes than doing it with a 9 or 10, that is so used to do it.......
Bez Bezarra
01-02-06, 16:05
Look Dude, I am telling you its a fact.
Whatever girl you get for $30 these days, apartment or
from Premier, you'll only find one that is NOT skanky/nasty/
dirty/smelly/fugly once in a while.
A few years ago it was different.
But now they are mostly 6's at best.
If you stay/live there long enough to get an inside
connection, like CaT now has in OD, that's different.
But if you're on your own, expect to find something
special only on a very lucky day.
Doctor_Skank
01-02-06, 16:13
Bez beat me to the punch, but $20-30 doesnt buy you top notch anywhere and you'll be lucky to get 6-7 quality for that price... or incredibly lucky and really find an 8-10 at that price.
Topnotch, a 8-10, doesnt fuck for $30/150Grivnia/900 rubles/25 €/1200 baht...
In Kiev $50 also doesnt go far, but maybe we just have a different opinion of what topnotch is. $100 at River Palace buys you a few drinks and taxi fare back to Kreshatik. :)
I am often very happy with 6-7 quality... I like fun girls and they are often the most fun... at any price. But top notch?
You'll have to pay more.. if you can find it at all.
The names of newspapers in Dnepr is something like REKLAMNOE POLIE, that's the one I used when I was there. You can find many adds in it to get an escort or to go to an apartment.
2 others are BIZNES VIDNOSTI and DNEPROVSKAYA NEDELYA. I could not find them....
There is also a topless bar whose name is SAVAH. Does anybody have some infos about that.....
Well that was my experience 2 years ago, so perhaps everything has changed now, what concern the quality of the girls.....
So Kharkov and some other cities in Ukraine wouldn't be a real good destination to get some 8-9 by reading adds in Ukrainian newspapers???
Would Moldova be better??
What would be your take, guys??
Doctor_Skank
01-02-06, 16:49
Volpone:
I was at a few topless bars in Dnepro and had a great time. I dont remember the names, but one was at the top of the highest hill in the city and the other one was in some shack that looked like a double-wide trailer house. I know, uselessly vague info... sorry. Still, there were always girls to take home... I got the impression that ALL girls were available, but am not sure. I dont remember the price, but it wasnt cheap. I think about $100... I dont remember exactly because my Ukrainian biz colleague always footed the bill... in any case strip bars in Dnepro are a fun option... even if just to drink and enjoy the lap dances.
I'm sure there are much cheaper options, but like I said I wasnt paying and the girls were quite hot, mostly 7-8s with bodies that might even qualify as a 9...
In any case, more research is required! :)
As far as where to go, I still think Ukraine is as good as it gets. I doubt there is some hidden el Dorado with model-quality babes that fuck for $20. Reading the Moldava board, it looks like the best girls there are freebies and that the pro scene is "underground"... and the girls in the pictures don't look any better than Ukrainian girls.
I think you are on the right track with Ukraine, but just need to plan in a bigger budget. Ca_T is reporting great things on the Odessan board and essentially all Ukr cities are going to be similar, including Kharkov and Dnepro.
CA Traveler
01-02-06, 20:23
First of all, let me say that the lap dance/strip clubs I've been to in ODS or Dnepro can't hold a candle to Safari or OhLaLa in Moscow... However, for the money, I'll still take Odessa.
That said, BB said it all when he said that it is impossible to blow into town and hit the best girls or the best prices, UNLESS you get very lucky.
Also, always remember that one person's 9/10 is another's 5/6... One person's trash is another person's treasure... THANK GOD! Otherwise, we would all be going after the same woman!
So, I take the ratings with a grain of salt... unless I see a photo.
valpone... the last two years have seen tremendous inflation in the P4P market... all over the world. Don't be surprised when you get back in the game that it is different than you remember it or at least much more costly.
I do want to tell you all that I met a guy here who is prepared to set up what could be the best of both worlds...
There are many girls here and in surrounding areas who need to make money but either don't want to go public or don't want to work in their home town.
This guy asked my advice on how he would take advantage of that situation without going public and soliciting these girls will all of that unwanted exposure. I simply told him that if he had "model" quality girls, reasonable prices, all available as "private stock" to a select clientele, he would have the perfect world.
Tonight, he told me that he had figured it out and in the next two to three months plans to do just that... Does this mean that ISG will have its own private stock waiting for you to visit Odessa... Maybe it does. It's probably too early to tell but stay tuned... ODS may soon become the "new" destination of choice for reasons other than beautiful beaches, beautiful girls from all over the FSU and the sun in the summer.
Now there may be a reason to visit ODS other than in the summer and other than to have a beer with CT! :)
I want to make clear that other than some unsolicited advice, I have absolutely nothing to do or to gain from this venture he is undertaking. BUT, I will share the details and some photos if I can get them! :)
Once I know all of the facts, I will pass them on to you...
Stravinsky
01-03-06, 02:16
CAT, or anyone else who might know...
I've heard rumors that the Ukrainian gov't has removed the requirement that "western" tourists must obtain a visa before entering the country, as they do in Russia.
Is this true, or is it just a pipe dream?
CA Traveler
01-03-06, 07:04
Strav... here's the deal, if you are from the EU/UK/CH/USA/Canada/Japan, you may enter Ukraine without a visa for up to 90 days per every six months. If you want to stay longer or return more than that, you should get a visa. I recently got a multiple entry business visa good for five years for $100 dollars. No invitation letter required.
Of course, this could change but I don't think it will because the Ukraine wants badly to be associated with the EU and NATO... plus, with RU pissing on tree stumps lately, there is even more resentment building up against Russia here so everything they can do to make it easiler to visit here instead of Russia will be done, IMHO.
In fact, with the difference in costs now, you can essentially visit Odessa and double your planned time on the ground or save enough to pay for your airfare. Of course, if you travel for business in Moscow, it is hard to compete with that, but if it were me, I'd be figuring out how I could get some biz in Ukraine!
Come see me in Odessa! :)
Stravinsky
01-03-06, 09:13
Hmmm... ochyen interyesnah,
So, I can just get on the plane and go? What a concept! I may take you up on your offer.
BTW, has gospahdeen Putin turned off your gas yet?
CA Traveler
01-03-06, 12:08
He actually turned it off on 1 Jan, but it was a stupid thing to do... If you look at a map with the pipelines from RU to Europe, virtually all of the gas to Europe flows through Ukraine, not to mention the gas storage tanks are in Western Ukraine which are further used in the distribution of RU gas.
It is so obviously political that Putin sicced his gov't owned gas monopoly on poort little Ukraine just because of greed. Now it is even being asked if the RU gas even comes from RU or is it Turkmenistan gas being resold at a profit.
It will soon be resolved and RU will come out the big time loser in the court of public opinion... Ukraine always knew that they had more than 7 weeks of gas in reserve anyway so Yushenko gambled that the press and pressure would go against Russia well before that and it was make tougher for Putin because the gas pressure to Europe dropped at the same time... Doesn't look good for the new prez of the G8.
AND, yes the answer is... you can just get on an airplane and go to the Ukraine whenever you want... and Russia wonders why tourism is dropping!
Hope to see you in Odessa in the Spring... come in the Spring, I'll guarantee you'll want to return in the Summer!
Stravinsky (and you, too CAT), I need to just clear one thing up for you.
No visa is needed if you are a citizen of the list provided by CAT (plus recently added were a few countries "outside" the EU such as Norway, Iceland, Monaco, etc.) However, if you want to stay for 89 days and leave for one day, and then come back a days or two later, fine. If you want to stay for a week and leave for a week and then come back for 89 days, fine, too. The rules are fairly relaxed about going in and out.
The only thing you need to do is to hold on to the toilet paper immigration form. Otherwise, on going out, the border guards do hassle you, but nothing like in Mother Russia.
Visiting Ukraine now is so easy. But like CAT, I, too, have a business visa since I do spend more than 90 days here (and you must register then with OVIR).
However, I would not really suggest getting a business visa until after the March Rada elections and seeing what the political landscape will be like.
CA Traveler
01-03-06, 14:17
ub, I'm sure that you are probably correct since I haven't heard otherwise, BUT according to the decree that I've seen its 90 days per 6 months. Granted they probably won't hassle you because I think the customs and passport folks are under new marching orders to be cordial to Western visitors. However, after having spent so much time in Russia, I don't like to give them any reason to hassle me if I can help it.
As far as waiting to get a biz visa until after the elections, I am curious why? Do you think it will be easier? If you think it could be more difficult, then wouldn't it make sense to get it now?
Personally, I don't think there will be many changes after the election, especially now that Russia is trying to show their power. Besides, even if power shifts after the election, it will be very difficult to undo the freedom that the country has experienced. Also, there are a lot of people now making a lot of money and I can't see them allowing that to be changed.
I'm here for the duration anyway, but it will be interesting to see.
Hi,
I am look for a fellow traveler to visit dnepropetrovsk with or other eastern ua cities. i have bee nthere once before.
Cheers
cat, i believe the 6 month requirement you recall was when visas were still required of us citizens for the first visit and not for the second. the decree was amended later allowing free and unrestricted travel to and from ukraine as long as you do not overstay the 90 day limit. from the ukrainian embassy in the usa website:
"on august 18, 2005, the president of ukraine signed decree no. 1175/2005, amending the president's decree no. 1008/2005 of june 30, 2005 on the ukrainian visa requirements for the citizens of the united states of america. according to the decree no. 1008/2005 and the amendments to it introduced by the decree no. 1175/2005 the us citizens do not need a visa to enter ukraine if the period of their stay does not exceed 90 days.
for the us citizens who enter ukraine with the purpose of employment, permanent residency, study and work at the diplomatic missions of the united states in ukraine or with any other purpose, if the period of their stay in ukraine is more than 90 days, visas are required."
i go in and out of ukraine all the time. while i do have the business visa, i now do not even refer to it in the immigration form and write "private visit" into the "purpose of visit" line. it speeds the border process as opposed to the business visa when you get a lot of questions about the company you are affiliated with.
despite russia's rather heavy handed and clumsy moves in the present gas conflict, yushchenko's response has been less than acceptable to most of the folks here, many who were his supporters. in fact, overall disappointment in yushchenko is growing and he is not doing much, if anything, to change that. he is mostly perceived to be a weak and ineffectual president.
the march elections will most likely make tymoshenko pm. there is also an outside chance it may also bring yanukovich to power again as pm if russia somehow manages to stay out of local politics here (which i think is impossible). if it is yulia, then things should be ok for most of us here. if it is yanukovich, then watch out for a possible return to the kuchma-type days of russian style xenophobia and heavy-handedness. visas may once again be required.
i say that you can then wait on such visas since it will take some time before such measures would be instituted. it won't be any more nor any less difficult in getting the visa. it will simply be a pain in the butt as it has always been, if they go back to that nonsense.
as for power shifting, just recall what it was like under yeltsin and what it is now under putin. the same can happen here, more earning power for the locals notwithstanding. in fact, greater earnings will make it easier for the locals to accept such shifts such as it is in russia.
Volpone,
Two years since you were last here is a lifetime.
In every area, the situation here compared to then is so much different. People are making more money, living standards are vastly better for many and visible and significant improvements in the whole infrastructure are apparent. I see this improvement myself frequently even after being away after only two weeks!
That applies as much to Kharkov and the other cities in Ukraine as it does to Kiev.
As for the ladies and your budgets, let me say that two years ago, in Kiev, I, too, enjoyed life occasionally at $30 per hour. Not today. I am sure you will find the same problem in Kharkov today if you are looking for $30 beauties. You may find them but will you want to have sex with them? I doubt it. I am sure I would not. There are still $30 ladies here in Kiev but they are mostly drug addicts or worse.
If you want to really enjoy yourself in Kharkov, then set your budget for a minimum $50 per hour for decent ladies. At least at this level you will get very good to occasionally great quality. You are fooling yourself if you expect good quality at the low price for the month you expect to spend there.
CA Traveler
01-03-06, 21:05
ub... I humbly bow to your visa knowledge. The source that I trusted turns out to be in conflict with the Consulate. Could also be that the text changed since I checked it prior to getting my visa in November.
I also agree 100% that inflation in P4P has hit the entire world and it isn't just Ukraine. If you want anything approaching quality... at least on the first visit, you'd better plan at least $50 an hour here and maybe more. That said, if you go through a mama to get to the source you may be able to cut a better deal yourself for a second visit.
I had an 18 y.o. delivered tonight that only rec'd 160 grivna... $32 for the 1.5 hours. She jumped at the chance to come back at $40, problem is that she has only been working for 3 days and doesn't have a phone yet. :(
Doctor_Skank
01-03-06, 21:45
So Ca_T, can we expect that all the local poon will be test-driven by the time we get to ODS? Hope they aren't too spoiled by then... :)
Felix Nordic
01-03-06, 22:18
I heard from a friend that Ukraine is changing fast for freebes as well? Can any one confirm this? One year ago it was quite easy to get a girl home in the first night in Dnepropetrovsk and today they all want only serious relations. Its a trend or what do you think?
About getting girls in Moldova, and I have been there several times, its not so easy any more to score. Most girls needs to be dated 2-4 times before sex... and this usually cant be done in a week. The top girls are often even more serious or not interested in foreigners since they can get rich native men today. And I doubt they look better that ukrainian girls in general. Its the same race and people, but maybe they are slighlty different in personality. You find many beauties in both countries. In my opinion Ukraine is more Soviet than Moldova which is a negative thing for me.
//Felix
CA Traveler
01-04-06, 00:11
Fn... Can't say about Moldova since I've not been there yet, but will soon after my auto arrives this month.
Personally, I've never had a lot of luck getting freebies to bed in RU/UA the first night in either place. Doc and rogermellie are the experts at that... besides I think that generalizations just don't work in any country.
I have a beautiful 20 y.o. girlfriend who was 19 and a virgin with I hooked up with her... in lieu of photos, doc and rogermellie have seen her... does that mean that every mid-fifties guy can hook up with a knock down beautiful girl 37 years younger... maybe, but it's not guaranteed. BUT, it is more likely in Ukraine, Russia and probably Moldova and Belarus than in France, Germany, UK and the USA! :)
doc... my sources tell me that I will over 1000 before they run out of girls... I just have to keep working to try them all! That is one thing about girls... they are a renewable resource! :)
It's like the question... How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time!
Stay tuned...
Bez,
As I said to Volpone, times have changed even in Kharkov. I do not know the last time you were there but big changes have occurred. Some of those changes are local, some national.
Bottom line is that life and everything associated with it has gotten much more expensive here. The $30 Kharkov skank-ho you refer to is likely still around but I suspect she is now the $40 skank-ho. But if you want anything above that crap level of sheer ugliness, then you will have to fork out that fifty at a minimum even in Kharkov. The ladies have gotten smarter and they want to be able to buy name designer goods from their local designer stores as well.
I also do not think you will find anyone who will drive you around any city for $20 per day. Those days are long gone as well. Interpreter is extra and that will cost you a lot more as well.
Gasoline prices here are now almost $1.00 per liter for premium and about $.75 for the garbage grade. Cars here tend to burn more fuel for a lot of reasons so you are going to have to expect $30-$40 or more for a few hours depending on how much time you want and where you want to go.
The good news is that if you do go up in price you also tend to get much better quality. A Slavic 8 or 9 or that rare 10 is still worth paying almost any price for.
Interesting to read that Bez doens't think the same way as Uke Boy about prices in Kharkov.
Just one question to Uke Boy. When you make a phone call to get an escort in Kharkov or to know the adress of an apartment, do you speak English or Russian????
When I was there in 2004, prices was from 80 Hrivnias to 120 Hrivnias...I mean if you go to an apartment. Then you can choose the girl...
80 Hrivnias is only 16 dollars.... Most of them was 100-120 Hrivnias
I think it's really possible that prices went a bit up....But what surprise me is when I was there, there was no escort for 50 dollars, nobody asked me for 50 dollars. And in Dnepr, it was the same.....
I only paid a bit more, I mean 150 Hrivnias, around 30 dollars in Dnepr., but I got 18-19 years old girls and there were really cute, I mean 7-8....
It seems that Uke Boy is right, what concerns the increase of price in Kharkov.
Price seems to be 150 Hrivnias for 1 hour or 30 dollars....
However it seems that prices are still around 100 hrivnias in Dnepropetrovsk or some other cities in Ukraine....
I mean these prices if you order an escort or if you go to an apartment by calling in Russian....
Does anybody have some more infos about prices in these cities???
Well, it seems like Kharkov is quite the bore on a Tuesday night after the Holidays. And I found the first strip club in the Ukraine where you couldn't take the girls home.
Somehow, Traveling Male, one of the fine members of this board managed to talk me into taking the 'express' train from Kiev to Kharkov. The last time I (an American) took a train it was an ICE train in Germany some 14 years ago. The best the world had to offer at the time didn't quite sell me on rail as a mode of transportation and the Ukrainian rail experience really hasn't change my mind. While it was light years ahead of my only other rail experience (Rangoon, Burma - Mandalay during the late 80's), which I really don't have the time to do justice to (or would be of interest to the readers of this forum). The ride was rather bumpy - I don't think Uke Boy's well hidden improvements to the Ukrainian infrastructure has made it to the rails yet. The trip wasn't horrible just not my idea of a good way to spend 5 hours of my life.
We make it to Kharkov and end up hooking up with Nickoli from Ukraineapartments.com who meets us at an apartment in the center of the city. The apartment has a very interestingly done remodel for $45/night it isn't that bad. Nickoli imparted a lot of information. But he was older and had no real experience with girls or the local club scene in Kharkov. We unpack, check out the main street and then grab a bit to eat. Back to the apartment for a power nap and then we unleash ourselves on Kharkov around 2100-2130. Unfortunately there really wasn't much to unleash ourselves upon. There really didn't seem to be much going on. We ended up finding a strip club called Bacardi. It was the first strip club in the Ukraine I've been to where you couldn't take a girl home. There was in house activities, 200USD bought you an hour of private room time with a girl. But there wasn't a girl over 7 working that night. I had fun, six girls rotated through the room doing a bump and grind. But it was also the first strip club in the Ukraine I've been to where the girls asked for dance tips, I didn't need to come for the Ukraine for this. I got the number of one of the girls for the next day and my partner and I left. We next head to Club Misto, which the taxi driver who took us there told us it was normally full of working girls but this being a Tuesday after the holidays he said we weren't going to have much luck and he was right. We stay for one drink then head to another strip club - Armageddon - Armageddon is quickly approaching, the night is quickly turning into the next day and we have no girls yet. ;) On our way to Armageddon we pass a small gaggle of street girls. They look okay passing by at 60km/h but I am sure once we stop it will be a scary moment - something I later find out to be true. Armageddon turns out to be as dead as all the other clubs, but they girls are available for take out. 200USD but once again no one over a 7 is working. And I'm not paying for 200USD for a girl in Kharkov when I could have stayed in Kiev and got a girl for 150USD at the River Palace or an Apartment girl for 60-100USD. We have a quick late night snack and then head back to the apartment. On the way back we stop to check out the street girls. And they look exactly like what you would expect a street girl in Kharkov during the early morning in January would look like. Priced around 120grv. I am scared and retreat quickly back to the cab.
We have one more night in Kharkov and then catching the 1630 back to Kiev the next day. Hopefully Wednesday will be kinder to us then Tuesday. I miss the ten or so girl I am dating in Kiev and I am sure they miss me. ;)
Just one word of note. When you buy Primier to look up the escort ads make sure you get Primier Express. Unless of course you are looking to buy an apartment or some farm machinery.
My adventures in Kiev since Dec 29th have been much more interesting. I'll try to get off a report before I leave on Feb 8th.
Stravinsky
01-11-06, 21:12
Cruiser,
Thanks for the report. It's always interesting to hear firsthand about life in the hinterlands.
What was your experience with Ukraineapartments.com?
Too bad you couldn't stay through the weekend. You could celebrate the New Year all over again! lol
Cruiser,
If you went to Kharkov a few years ago from Kiev (or back), your only choice would have been the very slow and very bad overnight sleeper service. That insufferable 5 hour trip you just took would have been an impossible 12 or so hours, at best.
This new "fast" train is an infinite infrastructure improvement over what was no choice before.
It's all relative and such improvements here, no matter how much you think are lousy, are still light years ahead of the past.
I don't think it's much of an infrastructure improvements more then it is that the 'express' train stops only at Poltava - Lada's were easily passing us on the parallel roadways. As opposed to the non express train stopping at all the villages along the way. The bumpy ride from Kiev to Kharkov is due to poor right of way maintenance and poor maintenance to the undercarriage of the cars. The service on the train was surprisingly good.
Club Bolero was a happening place last night, from 2100-2210 there were only a handful of people there. But by 2300 when the 'show' started the place was packed. The only expats in sight were me and Traveling Male. The night capped off when me and Traveling Male found ourselves sitting with some Ukrainian students - TM seemed to be very happy practicing his Rus on a Ukrainian cutie and she seemed very happy that he was practicing it on her. ;)
The question was asked last night; When we are both dating so many hot girls in Kiev - why exactly did we leave Kiev and come to sleepy Kharkov? We are both scratching our heads over that.
Strav - My experience with the apartment service was ok. The selection was slim due to the old New Year coming up. So we ended up staying in a half ass remodel of a soviet apartment; the location was good and the price was okay at 45USD/night. A big positive was that we called the night before we came and they were able to take care of us.
We found a much better taxi driver on our way home from the club. He showed us some better street girls in a better area. But nothing quite hot enough to make an effort to bring home. We went to three apartment line ups from 1300-1900. I don't remember seeing a girl I would have had sex with for free, nevermind pay for. I'm sure better girls could be had on weekend nights.
I didn't have the energy to make it back to Misto see if the River Palace of Kharkov was offering any better choices then the night before.
Cruiser,
If you went to Kharkov a few years ago from Kiev (or back), your only choice would have been the very slow and very bad overnight sleeper service. That insufferable 5 hour trip you just took would have been an impossible 12 or so hours, at best.
This new "fast" train is an infinite infrastructure improvement over what was no choice before.
It's all relative and such improvements here, no matter how much you think are lousy, are still light years ahead of the past.
Doctor_Skank
01-12-06, 12:15
Cruiser D:
First of all, thanks for the candid reports, hope more are to come, they are a good read!
"The question was asked last night; When we are both dating so many hot girls in Kiev - why exactly did we leave Kiev and come to sleepy Kharkov? We are both scratching our heads over that."
That's the downside of rural Ukr... you may find cheaper pros and may find girls who get all sloppy between the thighs when they meet their first foreigner, but you give up all the creature comforts of Kiev and all those equally hot Kiev girls who get all sloppy between the thighs when they meet their first (or second, or third) foreigner. Rural Ukr isnt all that exciting Sun-Thu whereas in Kiev most everyday has something special on the nightly calendar.
In any case, most of us would still trade places with you two just to enjoy the rural Ukr blues for a few precious hours... seems to me though that you didnt find a good source for pro action... there must be better pros than that. Try any salons/saunas outside of the apartments? Every city has many of them and the girls are usually good to excellent... some have take out options as well.
The street scene in Ukraine is generally pretty atrocious... at least in my experience. I've seen or partook (is that a word?) in it in Odessa, Kiev and Dnepro... in all cases nothing above a 6. Really nothing worth really looking into if you ask me.... sounds like you had the same experience.
CA Traveler
01-12-06, 21:42
No question... the street scene in the Ukraine cities I've been in is terrible. The police tend to crack down on it here much more so than in Moscow, but even there the lineup/tochkas really keep most of the girls off the street.
That is why it is so important to find a local who can provide the girls... If I had to survive on girls that I met on the street or in clubs/bars, I would go crazy! In the Ukraine, you had better believe that it is very much available, but you must know where to find it and it isn't always the normal spots. Besides, once you've hooked up with several hot items, I'm finding that they'll drop by if you want, do the deed for much reduced prices because all of the middlemen are cut out! I finally have broken out of the doubles routine I was in for a couple of weeks and the last couple of evenings I have only paid 150 grivna, $30, for a very nice session that I could have stretched for as long as I wanted. Plus, I don't have to go out and wander around... AND, I know that if I want something fresh, I call and order it delivered... 250 grivna, $50.
Doctor_Skank
01-12-06, 22:31
You've tapped the source Ca_T, it's the mother lode! lucky devil! :)
CA Traveler
01-13-06, 08:27
doc.... you don't know the half of it. It think I have really only touched the tip of the iceburg and the "deeper" I go the better it gets.
I'll share though...
I hope you and RM have blocked some time later this year for ODS part deux.
Stravinsky
01-13-06, 17:31
CAT,
So, what I hear you saying is that Odessa really is not a mongering destination. Unless, of course, you would be willing to give us access to your sources.
CA Traveler
01-14-06, 07:26
strav... I know many people who have visited here and were very disappointed from a mongering point of view... I even was even a little concerned when I first moved here, but I'd already fallen in love with the city when I was with my GF for 5 weeks here in the summer and had made the commitment to be here.
However, I knew that it existed and like they sometimes say in the Southern part of the USA... "a blind hog finds an acorn every now and then!" So, I just kept nosing around bit by bit, as I did, I latched on to sources and every session usually opened up a new group of friends who are available.
As an example, last night I had a former visitor bring by a "new" girl who needed money. Both would have stayed, but I didn't want a double. I told them to come back later and I'd take the new girl. Then, another girl from another session shows up... of course, the other girls come back... I hide the single girl, get rid of the second girl and put the new girl in the shower... get rid of the second girl and have a nice session... cost, 150 grivna, $30.
Then, midnight... the second girl brings her sister back... at this point I was whipped and just wanted to sleep, but the little guy says no... the sister was quite nice and so we all go for the double that I tried to avoid earlier in the evening! Cost... 150 grivna... for both. It was so inexpensive because I just kept saying no... Finally I decided to settle for a double BBBJ in the jacuzzi because it was nice and I needed to get up early this morning...
The point of my story is very simple... I am not superman, but there are thousands of girls here that work. HOWEVER, it is not in your face and unless you happen to run into a girl working a club or on the street you will not be able to search it out on the internet or on the street, it's all about who you know and who will hook you up... UNLESS of course, you decide to move to the city and then you can do the same thing that I'm doing.
Right now, I continue to set up my connections so I know where to tell people to go... and before I get tons of PM messages... NO, I will not give out numbers via PM or email. Yes, I will be happy to address each question and help with other matters should you decide to visit ODS. If you do, I suspect that you will find that ODS offers a great mix of fun clubs, especially in the Spring/Summer/Fall, good restaurants, beautiful women, both working and not working, and everything is reasonably priced for the FSU. At that point, I will be happy to share it all... or almost all! :)
So, YES, I think ODS is a prime mongering destination IF you have someone here who will point you in the right direction, but it is not a place to come by yourself just for mongering only just to see if something jumps out at you.
Stravinsky
01-15-06, 18:02
CAT,
Понял. So, it seems as if timing is important. If I’m going to Odessa, I would want to make sure that you’re going to be there when I am. My schedule is pretty hectic, and if I do have a chance to get away for a week or two (and that’s a big IF) I want to make sure that there will something for me to do when I’m there. In Moscow, that’s not a problem.
I’d hate to spend my whole time in Odessa with my snout in the dirt! lol
CA Traveler
01-15-06, 20:07
I'll me in ODS from 11 Feb to end of Oct with one or two small trips to the USA in April or May. Let me know the range of time you want to come and I'll give you a pretty firm commitment...
Don't knock it... a little dirt on the snout helps keep you fresh and young!
CA Traveler
01-15-06, 20:28
strav, If I'm not here my partner will be here after April and he'll have all of the contacts I do by then. Look forward to seeing you.
As the Dr once quoted; Ukrainian women can be bought for $100, Ukrainian men are drunks and American men are stupid. Of course that doesn't apply to everyone, but it applies to enough - otherwise I'd be in Southern Spain right now. ;)
strav... I know many people who have visited here and were very disappointed from a mongering point of view... I even was even a little concerned when I first moved here, but I'd already fallen in love with the city when I was with my GF for 5 weeks here in the summer and had made the commitment to be here.
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So, YES, I think ODS is a prime mongering destination IF you have someone here who will point you in the right direction, but it is not a place to come by yourself just for mongering only just to see if something jumps out at you.
InterTraveler
01-19-06, 08:58
Any one have any direct experience with Zaporizha, Luhansk or Uzhorod?
Good clubs? services ? street action? where to find pros or semi pros or GF material?
Recently been to Sevastopol. Stayed at hotel Ukraina. Room cleaner Ivan made mongering pretty easy. First day I paid him tip USD $10 and made clear about my intentions. He arranged 3 different girls on three different nights. First day Irina excellant service GFE type looks 4 paid $50 for night tipped $5. It made her happy
Third night Masha Model type looks paid $75 service ok. fifth night Anna looks 5 little plump but the best service I had in life. Cost $85 with Anal for the night. In all experiance to remember.
Cybermaster
02-01-06, 22:20
Hi everybody.
Is there an agency similar to GIA operating in Yalta? (I had a good experience with a girl from them in Kiev.)
I know from a previous trip that there are professional girls working in the bar of “Hotel Yalta”. Other than that I didn’t have time to investigate. Next visit I will have more time so I’m grateful for any tips on finding girls, whether they be professional or amateur.
C.
I was in Odessa for the New Years/Xmas celebration!!! You are correct, this is a wonderful place to monger and let loose! I think I should have paid rent for as much time as I spent in the Irish Pub... (ha-ha). Anyway, wish I would have met you... maybe on another future visit? Udachi
Tommasini
Captain Fire
02-15-06, 15:47
Hello Gents
a couple of times I asked if anyone knew of action in Vinnitsa. It does not appear to be a real hot spot on the forums. i am now living there, rotating out on a 28 x 28 basis. I have found some action the old fashioned way, the local taxi driver. I checked out several bars and clubs, butnothing really as far as action. Finally found a taxi driver who coiuld line me up. Best place is at the taxi stand outside the hotel across from Piragoff square near supermarket. I had two brought to the taxi driver by another driver. Both available for 2 hours 400 hyrvnia. Larrisa and Marina. Marina was a teacher and Larissa a nursing student. We went back to my apartment, at first Marina was the active one, Larissa just wanted to blow me, After I ate Marina to a decent orgasm, Larissa became much more active, really liked DATY, came three times or a pretty good fake at it. I think she was for real as she kept coming back for more. I took both of them and finally they blew me together for the finale. Both early 20's, about 5 to six on looks, 7 on service and 9 on attitude. Both ptretty small in the tits, but very active. They say they have lots of friends who supplement their incomes this way. Now that the middlemen are out of the way, a night of action with either is 100 H and maybe a few drinks or dinner before. Overall, a nice GFE experience, this is definitely not Kiev, but it is a pleasant interlude.
Hi,
I am going to Kiev for the first time, from 3/1/06 till 3/5/06. I heard that Gia is the best escort agency and plan on using them, but will also like to have alternatives. I read that Kiev Beauties publishes phony photos, so will probably not use them. I will go to clubs (123, PR, Arena) and wonder if there is a dress code. In Moscow, you can't get into Night Flight in sneakers, for instance. I also enjoy lineups as they offer a better price and plenty of girls to chose from. I would not trick girls looking for husbands with the illusion that I may marry them, so that is out. I appreciate any advise. If someone is in the area at the time and wants to hook-up to do some pussy hunting together, I am game.
Thanks!
Gamma Ray 007
02-22-06, 23:15
I'll be spending some weeks in Sumy later this spring and wonder if anyone can suggest a starting point for mongering, otherwise, I'll have to try the taxi drivers (in English, worse yet). Help!
It seems to me that the price are still nearly the same.
It will about 20 dollars for 1 hour in Kharkov if you can speak Russian....
Of course if you speak only English, the price will be 2 times more.....
I will confirm that in Mai when I will be there.
Bez Bezarra
02-26-06, 19:27
Volpone.
What you are not taking into account is the price of gas.
Its almost like what happened in the US in the 1970's when
the first ever serious increases hit, it affected everything.
When a barrel of oil went from $40 to $60 last year, if you
think that only affected the west, you are sadly mistaken.
Just take a taxi anywhere, its definitely higher, and in fact,
all transportation related costs are higher. Yes it took a while
for secondary effects, but since then food and clothing and even
rent prices are all higher.
I don't think that salaries for workers are better, though.
So there should still be many opportunites where dyevs will
be happy to have a good sponsor.
You are absolutely right about the transports.
If anyone would go to the website www.autolux.com, he would see that the price of buses are a bit more expensive than before.
But for us, that's still very cheap.
In Kharkov I won't use taxis, only the metro and it's very cheap.
You are right that life seems to be a bit more expensive.
That's the same for girls. However the price is not really 2 or 3 times more like one seemed to make us believe.
I've chatted with some Ukrainian guys and they all told me the same thing.
If you look for ads in PREMER and if you can call in Russian, you will get around 20 dollars, perhaps a bit more and even perhaps 30 hours if the girls looks really great, but we are far from the 40 or 50 dollars an hour. That price is only for those, who can only speak English.
That's right, that it won't be every time for 1 hour. With some girls it may be 1 session sex and it may last 10-20 minutes, with some others it would be 40-60 minutes.
Of course if you go to an hotel, as I've already written, it will be more expensive. It will be surely the same in a night-club, where girls will ask 40-50 dollars for 1 hour and perhaps even more....
Lovedatslavicass
03-11-06, 07:02
I don't see too much said about Donetsk here... is it dirtier than the rest of Ukraine because of the mining industries? Does this make the girls any dirtier? I plan to be there this summer. Let me know if you want to hit up a bar or club.
Thanks for any info.
Hey Love,
I can only go on what I heard from what others have told me but when I was offered a job in Donestk at least 3 people told me not to go because it is an absolute shithole and there was nothing much worthwhile there to speak of.
But in saying that also they were not neccessarily talking about the mongering scene but I expect you will need to know Russian to get anywhere or at least have a good contact who can show you around.
Good luck and let me know when you have been as I will need some diversions if I do have to go there eventually.
Alpha
No, the girls shower after working in the coal mines all day. ;)
People generally don't talk about (go to) other cities in Ukraine except for Kiev and Odessa because they are a lot less developed (and that is saying a lot...).
I don't see too much said about Donetsk here... is it dirtier than the rest of Ukraine because of the mining industries? Does this make the girls any dirtier? I plan to be there this summer. Let me know if you want to hit up a bar or club.
Thanks for any info.
Lovedatslavicass
03-11-06, 20:03
People generally don't talk about (go to) other cities in Ukraine except for Kiev and Odessa because they are a lot less developed (and that is saying a lot...).Cruiser D, this makes perfect sense... but it seems like some prime pussy could be found in these cities that are less developed. I've only been to Kiev, which is probably a good thing, considering I speak about 10 words in Russian. Was curious to know if the action varies much outside of Kiev, which supposedly is twice as better-off economically than the rest of Ukraine. Damn, I've only been once, but cannot wait to go back!
What I have heard about Donetsk is, that it seems to be quite a rich city.
There are riches people there.
The difference between rich and poor is perhaps bigger than in other cities, that's, what told me an Ukrainian girl from Donetsk....
I don't think that Donetsk is a shithole. Kharkov is not a shithole. There is a big park in the centre of Kharkov and another near the center. Nature is in the city, perhaps much more than in many Western Europe or American cities...
I've never been to Donetsk, but I know Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk.
Both cities have very good aspects, very good restaurants, nice places, lots of greens parks.....In both there is a metro....
Of course there are much more tourists, hotels and churches in Kiev.
It's even better to mongering in these cities, because prices are cheaper than in Kiev and you still lots of choices.....
However it's better to be able to speak a bit of Russian, it will helps a lot....
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh....not so loud...;)
Cruiser D, this makes perfect sense... but it seems like some prime pussy could be found in these cities that are less developed.
Bez Bezarra
03-13-06, 13:00
The term "shit hole" is actually more accurate than you think.
As far as anything to do while you are on mongering down time,
that is some other activities to keep you from being bored out of
your fucking mind, then shit hole IS correct.
Because there is absolutely nothing else in ANY industrial city, to do.
Nobody EVER goes to those places for a "holiday". If you don't bring
some really engaging books to read and some dvd's to watch,
you WILL go completely insane.
If you go somewhere like Bali, you can surf one day, go scuba diving
the next day, and chase java pussy every night in Sanur. You will
never be bored for even a moment. And the island is interesting to
explore.
In the industrial cities, there are no mountains, no lakes, the rivers
are totally polluted, the museums are completely a waste of time,
there is absolutley nothing to do.
Bez Bezara is perfectly right.
What I wrote down was only bullshit.....
Kharkov is an horrible place and Dnepropetrovsk too. I've never been to Donetsk, but I can tell you, that's exactly the same as the 2 others, a real shit hole....
Just stay in Kiev and Odessa. These are the nicest cities in Ukraine.
The others cities are really, but really not good for mongering, even not good for tourists....
Bez Bezarra
03-14-06, 01:48
I'm speaking as a "tourist" going on "holiday".
Its just a fact that nobody with a brain is going
to waste their vacation going to some stupid
industrial city for 2 weeks, unless you have
family there or some major mongering
connections to guarrantee hooking up
with high quality women.
European capital cities are the primary
destinations for the "partying scene" and
in most cases there is no secondary
destination. The exceptions are probably
Spain with Ibiza and Barcelona, and France
with the Riviera, Greece with Mikonos, and
Russia with St. Pete.
There's just no one heading to party in Dnipropetrov'sk!
If you're going to hit the beaches in Odessa or Yalta,
its only warm enough to jump in the sea during the summer.
Of course, that's why those smart mongers hit the saunas
the rest of the time. The genious of those Russian mongers
to come up with the beautiful concept of the sauna dyevs
is something you don't find anywhere in West Europe.
Its like the Asian massage parlors, what a concept!
Its such a pity and pathetic example of how lame the
US is to not have saunas and AMP's where full service
is expected. Oh sure you can get overpriced happy
hand job endings, but no super cutie take away service
like Cronin the Master scores day after day at red Chinese
barber shops. Another example of how thousands of
years of culture developed a small accepted outlet for
pleasure. Its so telling that the american exmaple of
legal p4p is the absurd Nevada brothels where the
prostitutes expect to be paid in the thousands. What
a fucking joke!
If you're going for business, that's a bit different,
and I can't speak about that since I don't have
experience.
And the sneaky Voneplone is messing around now!
Kharkov isn't horrible, just totally fucking boring
during downtime.
Well sneaky Rarrabez, I can tell you that Kharkov is not so boring during day time when you chat up some Ukrainian girls.
Secondly if you go there to learn Russian, that's much better than Kiev as less people can speak English......
Cybermaster
03-14-06, 23:03
You are all talking about Ukraine being full of shit-hole-cities that will “bore you out of your scull”. This with the exception of Kiev and Odessa.
The Crimea region is a tourist attraction and I found it quite nice. Have nobody here been there? I asked for tips about Yalta earlier and got absolutely no response so it seams like it’s a quite unknown area.
C.
Bez Bezarra
03-15-06, 01:27
Well, you do have a good point.
Especially when the conversation leads to
phrases such as Ya hachu tebye slatki pizda!
Cybermasturbator- read my post, I did say Yalta!
And I didn't get to Odessa until October, it wasn't cold
yet, very pleasant, all the restaurants and nightclubs
were open, but I would never go between November
and March, its just too cold for me, (being a weenie).
CA Traveler
03-15-06, 08:29
I think Bez is talking about the industrial cities of eastern Ukraine. I've only been in Dnepro and while there is a lot of commerce and beautiful girls, I would not go there to monger or as a tourist.
Yalta and the Crimea is a different animal totally. The area is a total tourist destination. Like Odessa the summer there rocks, but unlike Kiev or Odessa, other than the summer season, it is totally dead and most restaurants and hotels are closed.
Crimea is nice from May until the end of September. The rest of the year it is a shit-hole!
Quote Bez
"Ya hachu tebye slatki pizda!" ------ Nice Phrase! :-))))))))))
Let's see southern Ukraine or southern Spain, southern Ukraine or southern California, southern Ukraine or southern France, southern Ukraine or south Florida, southern Ukraine or South East Asia? southern Ukraine or South America? southern Ukraine or south Pacific? Let's face it take the girls out of the equation and it's Ukraine what? The place is expensive to get to. What they try to pass off as western service and accommodations is ridiculously expensive and/or in fact atrocious. Whatever historic tourist attractions the Soviets didn't destroy the Nazi's took care of. Let's face it if it wasn't for the girls or business we would all be someplace else. Would you really be setting up shop in Odessa if the girls weren't there CaT?
Now don't get me wrong, I actually don't dislike the Ukraine at all. But there are a few hundred tourist destinations that spring to mind before the Crimea or Kiev.
I think Bez is talking about the industrial cities of eastern Ukraine. I've only been in Dnepro and while there is a lot of commerce and beautiful girls, I would not go there to monger or as a tourist.
Yalta and the Crimea is a different animal totally. The area is a total tourist destination. Like Odessa the summer there rocks, but unlike Kiev or Odessa, other than the summer season, it is totally dead and most restaurants and hotels are closed.
Member #2001
03-15-06, 14:13
As someone that has been there quite a few time I can say the exact oppisite. That is unless you like the blarring music from every little bar in every city on the coast and like paying for it as well.
Everything is twice more expensive in the summer month and I really do not see the attraction. Its super hot there tons of new russians. You cant get a place in a hotel. Apartments and Hotels are twice the normal price. The boardwak is wal to wall people, but hay if that is what you really like then great. Its just not for me since when I go on vacation for peace and quite and not to be crowded or have to be subjected to price gouging, or having to listening to the latest pop song at full volume over and over and over again.
Stravinsky
03-15-06, 17:11
OK…before we unleash an army of mongers in EE, intoning the phrase,
"Ya hachu tebye slatki pizda!"
You might want to know what it means...
Я хочу тебе сладкая пизда
Literally, “I want to you sweet ****”
This will, more likely than not, earn you a slap in the face. Either that or a derisive laugh.
You might want to try something a little more subtle,
Я хочу ваша сладкая киска
Literally, “I want your sweet pussy(cat)”.
Bez Bezarra
03-16-06, 01:11
Starvonicus Mumblevinsky!
Hey, God knows subtlety is the last fucking thing anyone
will ever accuse me of here in the glorious mother fuckin' ISG!
Even more so than for my atrocious ruski grammar. And while
its on record here that I maintain no true monger is worth his
weight if you don't at least get a good smack in the face every
once in a while, I choose to amuse the darling dyevs with my
pugnacious charm, sharp wit, tricky tongue talents, and if all
else fails, my trusty denghi brothers US Grant and Ben Franklin.
Yet, unleashing a monger army intoning anything, especially
any absurdity I could conjure up, is about the farthest hope
in life I'll ever have, and certainly something I'll now ponder
with the goofiest smirking grin on my grill.
Let's all just imagine, for a moment, your illustrious Lord Marshall,
leading his Bizarro Bez Brigade of Beaver Blitzkrieg Mongers
bashing and smashing their schlongs across the wide dusty steppe
in a never ending unquenchable thirst for slavic twat singing:
"Ya znayu suka atkuda Poltava,
Vanyat zhopa manda y gryazny blyad!
Sound off, adeen dva...............,
Adeen Dva.., THREE FOUR!"
Oou......oou.......
Oou....Kra......Een......NA!
KITAYANKA HUYESOSKA!!!
Kind of makes me tingle and wanna hurl, all at the same time.
Oh yeah, were you saying koshka for kitty?
Stravinsky
03-16-06, 20:59
Bez,
Thanks, you made my day. You certainly have a way with words! :D
But you understand, I wasn't speaking about you! My advice was aimed at the rest of us mere mortal mongers.
A man with your charm, panache, sophistication, and sheer animal magnetism can take a simple phrase like "I want to you sweet ****" and turn it into a powerful weapon. I imagine young dyevs all over EE dropping to their knees and crying "Da, da, horoshie moi! Proshoo tyebye, sdyelai minyea shas, sdyais, na pahloo, pozhaluista!
The rest of us, however, should understand that these same words might not have quite the desired effect. ;)
I know the board has moved on! but I thought I might add a few thoughts about the industrial city scene in ukraine! I was in dnepropetrovsk twice in 2002! three things come to mind about my trips! you need a fucking moon buggy to travel on the roads there because of the pot holes on the roads. Grand hotel is extremely nice and there is a nice cake shop off karl marx. There were plenty of women and smart ones and once they knew that you were foriegn you were ok! if you had contacts in any of the 2nd or 3rd rate cities other than kiev you are made if mongering is your sole aim! and at a fraction of kievs cost. And the monthly wage in these cities is about 120$ and that is a good job! the police there are competely mental and I lost count how many times the taxis I was in were stopped for the bribes! I have sweet memories as I had my first slavic beauty there! Well you got to start somewhere!
Bez Bezarra
03-17-06, 02:37
Bez,
Turds you speak about! Mad ass mere monger.
A worm, shit can, magott turn into a powerfag
dyevs all over EE drop to their knees crying
That's actually closer to the truth!
My ruski is so pathetic, the dyevs mostly give me
that 'Fuck off you jerk' look.
If not for my friends, it would be nearly impossible to
make new acquaintances. Of course, there's more than
one way to accomplish that task, and experience does
play a part. And then as well, once an introduction is
made, it still doesn't guarrantee that a new friendship
will result, but it certainly gets interesting after that.
The sponsoree has to feel comfortable knowing that
she'll get treated appropriately, properly appreciated
for making a foreign traveller feel welcome in her
country, the warmth of the motherland, etc. Yes,
it can turn into quite a memorable beginning to
something special, or it can just as easily turn into
total crap.
As always, it all depends on the dyevochka.
CA Traveler
03-17-06, 07:53
cd... I appreciate your efforts to understand my motivation for being in Odessa. However, just to clarify...
I am in Odessa for one all incompassing reason...
OPPORTUNITY!
That means beautiful girls, normally great weather, and business.
To put that in perspective, for those that know me they will know that this is not BS...
I have traveled to all of those "Southern" spots you mentioned... plus on top of that I have a home on the beach in Southern California and another on the "Southern" sands of one of the major Great Lakes... Trust me when I tell you that I could live anyplace in the world that I desire... I am in Odessa because I choose to be.
Not everyone will see what I see here, but you don't necessarily find everything in a relatively undiscovered location. It may take a little time, but look at what happened in Croatia. Would I be here if there weren't the most beautiful white girls in the world here??? Maybe yes... maybe no? All I do know is that when I walk out of my house every day, I have a HUGE smile on my face just from looking at all of the beauty passing on the sidewalk. What the girls did for me was to give me enough motivation to investigate other opportunities and to entice me to get the hell out of Moscow.
m2001, I agree that peace and quiet is a great goal on a holiday and, thankfully, there are places in the world where it is available. However, the summer season in Odessa is something to behold... whether you are sitting at a sidewalk cafe enjoying the parade of beauties or lying on the beach admiring the tight young bodies lying all around you.
I can't wait for the weather to turn... flowers to appear... coats to be shed... mini-skirts and bare legs to emerge... IS THIS GREAT OR WHAT?
CA you are a true Poet. Beautiful girls are the most extraordinary view available anywhere, they feed your soul and spirit and they bring you closer to God: who other than God could have created those wonderfull creatures! And fucking them, oh, that is a true religious experience, exctacy! There is nothing better. Thanks God for beautiful, young (18+), skinny girls with great smiles and round, tight asses!
cd... I appreciate your efforts to understand my motivation for being in Odessa. However, just to clarify...
I am in Odessa for one all incompassing reason...
OPPORTUNITY!
That means beautiful girls, normally great weather, and business.
To put that in perspective, for those that know me they will know that this is not BS...
I have traveled to all of those "Southern" spots you mentioned... plus on top of that I have a home on the beach in Southern California and another on the "Southern" sands of one of the major Great Lakes... Trust me when I tell you that I could live anyplace in the world that I desire... I am in Odessa because I choose to be.
Not everyone will see what I see here, but you don't necessarily find everything in a relatively undiscovered location. It may take a little time, but look at what happened in Croatia. Would I be here if there weren't the most beautiful white girls in the world here??? Maybe yes... maybe no? All I do know is that when I walk out of my house every day, I have a HUGE smile on my face just from looking at all of the beauty passing on the sidewalk. What the girls did for me was to give me enough motivation to investigate other opportunities and to entice me to get the hell out of Moscow.
m2001, I agree that peace and quiet is a great goal on a holiday and, thankfully, there are places in the world where it is available. However, the summer season in Odessa is something to behold... whether you are sitting at a sidewalk cafe enjoying the parade of beauties or lying on the beach admiring the tight young bodies lying all around you.
I can't wait for the weather to turn... flowers to appear... coats to be shed... mini-skirts and bare legs to emerge... IS THIS GREAT OR WHAT?
Charles XV
03-23-06, 23:06
You are all talking about Ukraine being full of shit-hole-cities that will “bore you out of your scull”. This with the exception of Kiev and Odessa.
The Crimea region is a tourist attraction and I found it quite nice. Have nobody here been there? I asked for tips about Yalta earlier and got absolutely no response so it seams like it’s a quite unknown area.
C.I met some English guys in Simferopol airport last year who had just got back from Yalta. They said they'd found one strip bar, very few bars, and they said the place was really a family destination, with no action for single men.
I spent a fortnight in the Crimea last year. It's a major holiday area (for Russians) as you say. The prices soar in summer, and many girls from Russia turn semi pro to get some extra beer money. Service is very variable though!
For "mongering" it's best to avoid. By all accounts Odessa is the place to be.
Bez Bezarra
04-30-06, 12:43
Its worse than a shit hole.
One girlfriend I had that was studying dentistry at the Simferopol
university arranged to meet me during the summer in France instead
of me coming to her in Kerch.
She told me stories about people walking alone at night and some
gangster ghouls driving a van will pull up next to you and grab you.
She said they knock you out, and then cut out your kidneys and liver
to sell on the black market for transplants, then dump your body
out on the beach somewhere. A lovely place with pasty carved-up
sun burned corpses.
Hot dogs anyone?
CA Traveler
04-30-06, 21:03
BB... Other than that... How's the beach? :)
Gentleman Travel
05-01-06, 13:02
Its worse than a shit hole.
She told me stories about people walking alone at night and some gangster ghouls driving a van will pull up next to you and grab you. She said they knock you out, and then cut out your kidneys and liver to sell on the black market for transplants, then dump your body out on the beach somewhere. A lovely place.
You know, we hear similar stories about visiting New York City, so I would take this tale with a grain of salt - I think it has become an urban legend.
GT
Lele First
05-06-06, 10:51
Has anybody info about the city of Cernivci, not far from Romania ? It is quite big, more than 300,000 people.
Being in Suceava (Romania), can be interesting make a short trip till Cernivci ?
Thanks
Lele
Subaculture
05-07-06, 13:36
Has anybody info about the city of Cernivci, not far from Romania ? It is quite big, more than 300,000 people.
Being in Suceava (Romania), can be interesting make a short trip till Cernivci ?
Thanks
Lele
I was in Suceava and Cernivci in Jan. I did not enjoy my stay in Suceava - a real county town which wasnt pretty. I was visiting the painted monastries neaby. Did find a decent bar called "gang" in the centre with lots of lovely people. Only one bus a day to ukraine (1 train every second day). Ticket cost 200,000 lei. The comapny was TASA Suceava. Leaves at 1.00pm. Short journey to Cernivci .. no more VISA hassles for EU citizens.
Cernivci is 10 times better than Suceava. Very beautiful town (the university bilidings, opera house) and lots of lovely looking women. Could not spend much time here but check out the university to meet people. Would recommend the town. Lots of great Ukrainian chocoilate made here...
SC
I was in Dnepropetrovsk in April. Didn't stay at Grand Hotel as it is very expensive $ 150 a night. A good central apartment runs at $ 50 a night. It is very easy to get laid in Dnepropetrovsk. It helps if you speak Russian and rudimentary language knowledge is necessary. I was with a friend that spoke Russian so there were no problems. Lots of working girls along the highway that runs all the way to Kiev. No problem what so ever to score if you go to normal bars and resturants around Karla Marxa. Had different ladies each night which I took to my apartment. Some expected payment ($50) and some not even thogh they came from the same bars. Had a great time and I can recommend it. Try to avoid all western style places as the price level is the same or higher there than in western Europe. Go for local places were it is also easier to score freebies if that's your thing. Ukrainian ladies are very good in bed even freebie ones.
I was in Dnepropetrovsk in April. Didn't stay at Grand Hotel as it is very expensive $ 150 a night. A good central apartment runs at $ 50 a night. It is very easy to get laid in Dnepropetrovsk. It helps if you speak Russian and rudimentary language knowledge is necessary. I was with a friend that spoke Russian so there were no problems. Lots of working girls along the highway that runs all the way to Kiev. No problem what so ever to score if you go to normal bars and resturants around Karla Marxa. Had different ladies each night which I took to my apartment. Some expected payment ($50) and some not even thogh they came from the same bars. Had a great time and I can recommend it. Try to avoid all western style places as the price level is the same or higher there than in western Europe. Go for local places were it is also easier to score freebies if that's your thing. Ukrainian ladies are very good in bed even freebie ones.
Where can I find info on apartments in Dnepropetrovsk? Is there any contact info?
CA Traveler
06-02-06, 12:16
sauce... just do a search. There are several very good apartment rental companies there. HOWEVER, make sure you insist on extra towels or you'll wind up with one thread bare towel to last your stay. Plus, the sheets will leave a little to be desired since they never seem to fit the bed. But other than that, you'll be OK... maybe!
I was in Kharkov in Mai.
Here are some infos about adresses and prices for those, who will be in this city.
Price for 30 minutes is 80 Hrivnias or 16 dollars.
Price for 1 hour is 120 Hrivnias or 24 dollars.
Only in one place, they asked me 100 Hrivnias for 30 minutes and 150 for 1 hour.
Ulitsa Pouchkinski Viezd 7A, Kvartira 7, Code 57, but you have to call before going there 752.95.51.
That's one of the best apartment in Kharkov
One was really great. I would say a 9. But her performance was quite low in comparaison of the other.
Oksana was a kind of 6, at my taste, but a 9, what concerns the session.
Others numbers.
7572900 or 7610029 at Prospekt Lenina 15. First door on your left, but I don't remember the number of the apartment.
7616046 Pouchkinskaia ulitsa 18
7548455 Pouchkinskaia ulitsa 54.
I didn't go to these 2 adresses.
Don't forget, ALWAYS calling before going there.
Volpone.
Any recommandations about the regular scene - bars, discos, ect - in Kharkov ?
Thanks
Hi Prosal,
I don't really know the scene during the night.
You can find prostitutes in Symskaia on the main street during the night, but what I see one night wasn't so good.
I was one night at the disco of Mir hotel. The name of the disco is Gold LIon. One old prostitute came to me and tried to stay at the bar with me, but I said that I was busy....Later I saw a young one, quite good, but I didn't really feel like having sex at that time.
I didn't really go out at night time, as I had to wake up quite early and I had a girlfriend to be with me during the weekend.
The only thing I really tried, was to go to the apartment during the afternoon.
There is a strip club at Luxemburg ulitsa, that's near Sovietskaia metro. The name is Flash Dancer.
I don't know if there is a disco like River Palace in Kiev.
I need info's about Donezk, how is the nightlife?
Word is Misto (not sure about the correct spelling) is the River Palace of Kharkov. I went there between New Years and old New Years and the place (Misto and Kharkov) was dead. Things started picking up on Wednesday night at Club Bolero but we left Thursday afternoon. I am sure Kharkov is quite the happening place on the weekend.
I went with some one who spoke Rus, but I got the impression that at least some tourist Russian is a must.
I don't know if there is a disco like River Palace in Kiev.
Ukraineapartments.com is a website for apartment brokers in the Ukraine. My only experience with them was in Kharkov and it was good. But the people you deal with vary from city to city.
$150 for a hotel room and $50 for apartments - geez...I guess they figure if you are on business your company will pay the $150 and if you are a poon hunter you'll pay the $50. Crazy.
CAT, I always bring one big fluffy bath towel with me. Unless of course if I ever book with you in Odessa...;)
Where can I find info on apartments in Dnepropetrovsk? Is there any contact info?
Volpone, thanks for your answer.
East Ukraine is really appealing.
7554257 Cymskaia 48 near shop ZLATA. They will come down in the street to meet you before going to the apartment.
I met there Marina, that was her first day. I was her second customer. We kissed a lot, that was really great, a pretty 20 years old girl with beautiful breats.
7556523 Marchava Bajanova 10. I met Tania there, not so good looking, but we talked a lot in Russian, even if I badly speak Russian.
That's near metre Aritektova Beketova, near a Macdonald, right in the center.
7548078 Maiakovskava 14 Podiezt 4 Kvartira 206. There were 4 girls from 4 to 7 on my scale. In the center too, not far from Puchkinskaia metro.
7374467 Dirjanivskaia ulitsa near Sportinaia metro. I didn't go there
Don't forget guys to call them before.
There are not many of them. That's not like Kiev.
They will usually ask you to go to their apartment. And they even refuse to send to you a girl. I wanted to have Karina for ex. and they told me to come to their apartment. Of course if I have taken Karina for 1 night, they would have sent her to my place. But as I already told, she is a 9, but in bed, that wasn't so good.
755.66.19 Price is 150 Hrivnias and 30 for the taxi for 1 hour. 2 times sex is possible in 1 hour.
Forget about English, only speak in Russian.
I hope that would help somebody, who is just 1 or 2 nights in Kharkov and don't want to loose his time to look for an apartment.
Cybermaster
06-13-06, 22:04
Hi,
Is it OK to bring a girl to the room in Hotel Yalta in Yalta? I was there a year ago but I only tried the girls in the lobby. It was easy (agree on a price and tell them your room number, after a few minutes they knock on the door) but a bit expensive. I’m sure that they hade some special arrangement with the hotel. In Kiev I had two girls from GIA and those I had to escort in from outside the hotel but Hotel Sport accepted it. Will Hotel Yalta do the same?
Also, if anybody knows where to find nice girls in Yalta I’m very grateful for any advice.
Thank you.
C.
Does anybody know the locations of streetwalkers, etc... in Donetsk? I will be going there later this summer and wanted the info on Donetsk. I remember a photo of some young Donetsk girls posing, but can't seem to find it here!!!
Spent a Friday night there (on my way to Yalta) in August 2005.
All the night clubs are around the naval harbour and looked quite happening. I remember one called Kalipso which had lots of girls, some (but not all) in groups with guys. I think if you spend some cash you're definitely in.
If you want some semi-pro action, stay at the Hotel Sevastopol (2* Soviet style, but really not bad at all) and talk to Aram, the ever-helpful Armenian bar tender. He can sort out *anything* :) Apparently a whole range of students are available from $20 per hour.
I don't think you'll get any trouble from the mamas guarding the corridors, they are practically asleep by 3am :)
Tartan Boy
06-22-06, 09:56
I'm travelling to Odessa in August..then making my way back to Kiev by train. Travelling through Vinnytsia..i have a few days to kill & was wondering if anyone had any info on Vinnytsia? Would it be worth my while spending a few days/nights there? I've read it's a big City & the nightlife is good & would like to concentrate on the freebie scene first. Then MAYBE the Pro scene.
Any info at all will be a great help..
TB
I'm travelling to Odessa in August..then making my way back to Kiev by train. Travelling through Vinnytsia..i have a few days to kill & was wondering if anyone had any info on Vinnytsia? Would it be worth my while spending a few days/nights there? I've read it's a big City & the nightlife is good & would like to concentrate on the freebie scene first. Then MAYBE the Pro scene.
Any info at all will be a great help..
TB
Hi,
I spend a few days (winter time) in Vinnytsia a couple of years back doing a feasibility study for my company. I also made a little feasibility study with regards to mongering, and my advise to you is: Stay on the train. You might be lucky to find some freebee talent, but the risk that you wil not be sucesful is high, but p4p is was ready and availible in the hotel bar, so that you wont miss. At that time not many spoke English, so I guess a big criteria for success with freebies is that you can speak a minimum of Rusian...
HS
Hi,
I posted another copy in the Belarous page, but since it applies equally to Ukraine I am posting here also- to get more exposure. So if you read before, you can ignore it.
I have some questions about Minsk and Ukraine, but first some background:
First let me say that I have learnt to trust the reccomendations of this site the hard way. I browsed here before going to odessa, and thought that some reccomendations were just isolated cases- but in my last trip found most of them to be true.
My thing is not really P4P, but looking for freebies (althought this is not the right word since they tend to cost more than P4P in the end) But that's ok :-)
A bit about me I am 25 years old, find it relativelly easy to get girls in the major Western European cities and lived for 1 year in Moscow (speak decent russian and can hold a conversation) and am a sucker for slavic women (who isnt?). My ideal holiday would be arround 10 days and getting +- 3 girls in bed- working arround 3 days for each (i.e showing them a good time and having some fun)
As said before I have been to Odessa and really liked the place (cheaper than western european sea side resorts, good quality of life and a lot of eye candy) However not exactly the easiest places for freebies- girls very open to start with, but it seems that from the moment you approach them they have already decided that they will enjoy as much as possible the good times but nothing will happen. So after some effort one decides to give up another guy comes along, in the end it is amusing to see all masses of guys coming along and been very welcome by the girls, only to find a wall after some hours or days. Is like smelling the honey but not tasting. But no hard feelings I do enjoy some game- when elegantly played-, and If i was a girl there think would do the same. Although, I later discovered that part of the problem was how I played there- first I the smell of honey made me drunk and I thought that the dance floors are the way to go, and insisted for to long there. Since I have realised that those are the world. The places to approach women from worst to easiest are as follow: Dancefloor, bar area, streets during the day, outside the clubs, beach and cafes (if you are in a group).
During this trip I went to Nikolaev for 2 days, and it was a very different story: Quality of life non-existing, not much to do. But the freebies were more approachable than anything I saw. Every girl that we approached in the midlle of the street was a done deal, no rejections encountered. In fact the 2nd night I had the problem of having 3 different girls waiting for me in 3 different cafes (if you call that a problem :-)))
Now I am planning a second trip and would really appreciate any inputs from you guys: I am seeking the best place for slavic freebie. Nikolaev sounds good, but its to small to stay 10 days. So Minsk sounds very nice- a interesting place "" to see, many cafes (something important to pass the time) and as I heard many girls with not that much competition. However I been getting some mixed signals- some say its paradise on earth for freebies. Other says that due to cultural factors- girls are much more closed to sleeping with someone after 2-3 days than in russian.
What do you guys thing about this? And if I go in the first 10 days of September will the weather still be good enough so that people are seating and walking arround the parks (my natural hunting ground)? Do girls feel safe to start conversation with strangers in the street?
If not minsk the other places I would consider are Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk (more likely) and Simferopool, sevastopool (less likely as they seem to be inside the tourist route- something I want to avoid). The 1st 2 seem to be large but non-turisty places.
What do you guys think of those places for freebies? What about cafes and restaurant speacially in kharkov and Dnipropetrovsk? And what about the weather at the start of september and people walking arround the parks?
Any other ideas?
Thanks for any upcoming help,
Ruan
Ryan2006,
Minsk or some city in Ukraine?
Good question. I was in Minsk 5 years ago for 5 days, and to be honest I don't know how the situation is today, but a general note:
My experience is that in some (remote) cities in Ukraine and Russia (I travelled to many odd cities) the development and relations are simply not very progressed and a forienger becomes a stanger. This is common for small cities, and that is also what I experienced in Minsk (5 y. ago, though), and simply these areas which are not very often visited by foriengers, the girls do not speak any English, no p4p scene for non-locals exists and freebees do also not exist as being seen with a forienger is not considered as catching the gold, but being a prostitute.
In other areas the oposite situation applies - like in Odessa. A relative high developed area, living conditions, salaries etc. comes up. The nice looking girls can catch local businessmen as boyfriends and do not need to be spounsed by a foreinger. Drinks are of course nice to get, but the presents and eventual money a 'freebee' will get after a night in bed with you, they do not need. In other words: A foriegn man is not the only key to a better life or fun for a few days. Girls are spoiled.
Then comes somewhere the middle. I was never in Nikolev (sorry for spelling) but in other cities like Lvov, Dnepost... Maripol etc. Here living conditions are still sub-standard, but the cities are big engough to have 'international relations' and a foreign man is still seen as 'gold' or at least the possibility to have some relaxation, go to the expensive (compared to local income) restaurants and drink champanska, and sit in a whirl-pool in a de-lux apartment. (always make sure that the apartment you rent is with a jacussi, it is good selling argument to say 'Do you want to try my jacussi?' (or if you can afford it take a suite in the hotel -it helps on your reputation!).
However, my star is Kiev!
In Kiev the standards are high as in Odessa, and you also have the type of girls as you observed in Odessa, but there are still tons of girls looking for a 'nice time' as explained above for the smaller cities, and the selection of freebees are high. And the good thing is if everything fails, there is a well developed p4p scene, which might not be the case if you are in one of the smaller cities, and want a decent looking girl.
I would at anytime put Kiev over Minsk, and if I had 10 days then I would spend 5 in Kiev and 5 in Lvov or Nikolev, or on Crim even although there I guess freebees are as difficult to get as in Odessa, but the enviorement is nice.
A small comment about freebees. When I last was in Kiev for a longer period, I met a nice freebee, who spoke perfectly English with a very dominant Texas accent. It was clear that she was an expeirend freebee, although not a prostitute, and it was clear that she had been girlfriend fwith a fellow mongor from South of the States for a long time, but she would never admit it.
just my 2 cents (dollar or Euro?)
take care and have fun
HS
Hi,
Thanks for the replies.
Kiev does sound very good. Specially as I might be going alone, and there is a lot to do there- where somewhere else one might easilly get bored alone after 10 days. My only doubt are the follows: first as you can see bellow in my answer to -Bez Bezarra, I felt in Nikolaev that the girsl found talking to us as some exotic and were excited about this (we are from colombia, although we live in europe). When I lived in Moscow this was never something too exciting- My doubt is in Kiev will the girls find it exotic- or the city is already too internationalised?
My second doubt is about approaching the girls in the street (I don't believe in night clubs) If felt that in a city such as Moscow, many of the girls saw themself as elitny- and felt that talking to new guys in the street or park was simply not cool-also a guy alone was much less intersting than one in a cool group. I didn't find this type of pretention at all in Nikolaev. What about Kiev am I likely to find it there? How are the girls about beeing approached in the streets?
- Keep in mind that I speak russian, so the language is not an issue.
Minsk sounded cool: because it was both a interesting place and non touristic- but it seems the culture is quite conservative (? ). The other option is Dnipropetrovsk large city and non touristy- but I am somewhat wary that it may be terribly borring. What do you know about it
Bez Bezarra: no, of course its not the case that every girl approached will be directly ready to go to bed- its not paradise:-)
But there is a clear difference between a girl which accepts to go out because she just wants a free meal and a girl who is really interested. The later will most likelly go to bed if the guy plays right, the later is quite unlikelly. If one can keep thinking with the right head there are many signals for this. Two examples: in odessa I approched some girls in a cafe and they were "eager" to talk, when I asked for they number the reply was sure but can you pay our bill (hahaha) notice I only sat only sat on the table for 3-4 minutes. In Nikolaev I invited a girl who was more than happy just to hang out in a park at night. The thing is if you take the later which is happy just getting to know you and then take her to a nice place to have a good time- the odds are in you favour. The girls who expect to go only to the nicest cafes, takes it all for granted.
What I noticed in Nikolaev was that the girls found talking to us a something exotic. Sure this was not enough to close the deal but gave an excellent head start.
The outcomes were very positive: In my second night I was dating 3 different girls, and ended up sleeping with 2- the 3rd got pissed becaused I was more than 3 hours late- but nevertheless she waited all this time. In the first day one girl approached me- something very rare in this part of the world. I felt in all the girls I approached a genuine interest, whilst in odessa if one could see clear it was transparent that a real interest was almost never there.
Thanks and wait for any more suggestions.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
Well, I have to say that these comparisons are very superficial. I have seen both easy freebees and stuck-up pround cunts in both Moscow/Kiev and desolate parts of Russia/Ukraine. I have met young women in their 20s in Kiev (and a few even in Moscow, believe it or not), quite hot, who have never met foreigners before, others who don't interact with a lot of foreigners, and others who know a lot of foreigners. You are trying to overgeneralize over 5 million people (Kiev) and 12 million people (Moscow).
My preference tends to be the bigger cities since there is much more to do and simply because there is so much more choice. Sure Nikolaev and these small shyttowns may have some easy naive freebees (and also proud stuck up cunts, believe me I've seen many), but the selection is smaller and these places are depressing towns populated with nothing but ugly ass Khrushyovkas.
Knowing Russian can always be helpful as it increases the selection which is available to you. Most people in Ukraine in Russia are "theoretically fluent" in english, while only a small minority are "actually fluent".
I remember when I was living in Moscow, I was such a womanizer that sometimes I would have 4-5 dates in a weekend, most of them ending up in sex, all organized throughout the week by going to bars and meeting girls in parks. Took away a lot of my free time and took a lot of freaking effort, after work! It reached the point that I was so overwhelmed by the sheer number of women I had been seeing, that I decided to call it quits and limit myself to 2. Promisciuty with a many women simultaneously sounds very nice in theory, but it is too much work to maintain in practice, leaving you with very little time to chill out and relax.
By the way, bragging about getting girls in Western European cities is virtually the same as bragging about picking up Mexican or Bolivian mountain women in my opinion. Both are ugly like crazy and unwanted. I know plenty of European guys who are fed up with their ugly bitches that they are heading out east to FSU and Asia in search of hot wives.
Bez Bezarra
08-24-06, 01:34
Kiev Moscow Minsk ?
In Nikolaev I was something exotic.
Does anyone really think being a foreigner
in a capital is anything but ordinary anymore?
Thanks for the advice Bez but I Dress like a hip hop thug, bling, shorts down to your ankles, underwear up to your chest, keep yelling "Yo!! Yo!!", then the girls will flock to you.
Thanks for the advice Bez but I'm kind of wondering of the effect of a middle aged white guy strutting down Kryshatic with shorts down to his ankles and underwear up to his chest yelling " Yo" Yo" I get the feeling I could end up arrested or sectioned under the mental health act !
Dress like a hip hop thug, bling, shorts down to your ankles, underwear up to your chest, keep yelling "Yo!! Yo!!", then the girls will flock to you.[/QUOTE]
Why do not add in this choice Moldova ? I read that freebies there, are the easiest girls to get.
Sorry I have no report because I'm choosing a destination.
Next time perhaps?
Sevastopol1
09-05-06, 12:44
Also the massage room on the ground floor also closed, wish I knew where they had gone to!
Spent a Friday night there (on my way to Yalta) in August 2005.
All the night clubs are around the naval harbour and looked quite happening. I remember one called Kalipso which had lots of girls, some (but not all) in groups with guys. I think if you spend some cash you're definitely in.
If you want some semi-pro action, stay at the Hotel Sevastopol (2* Soviet style, but really not bad at all) and talk to Aram, the ever-helpful Armenian bar tender. He can sort out *anything* :) Apparently a whole range of students are available from $20 per hour.
I don't think you'll get any trouble from the mamas guarding the corridors, they are practically asleep by 3am :)
Sevastopol1
09-05-06, 14:02
You live in Simferopol and you have no numbers? I live in Sevastopol and as far as I know there are loads of working girls there!
Does anybody have Simferopol call girl # or any escort agency?
Or perhaps any personal contact?
I live in Simferopol.
met her and her friend in Beijing....had a threesome....amazing sex....suppose to meet her in Odessa but she didn't come....shit....
Kharkov?
So not convenient place. Better you travel to Kiev, Odessa.
Believe me.
UZHOROD
July 05 I went to Uzhorod for a weekend. After 7 hours of waiting at the border between Slovakia and UA, I went to this little city close to border. I had only a couple of contact from net, however I was only curious to test the city cause in that time I was in holiday in Kosice, so not far from border.
I met the 2 contacts in the afternoon. I met again with one of them in evening, we went to disko Bunker, we drunk and dance, got fun, but only dfk, she asked me more time and honestly I did not insist, cause I had my girlfriend waiting me in SK.
On sunday I went to main square and asked to taxi car a pro, he took to my hotel Uzhorod, 3 girls, I took the best one for about, if I remember well, 26 or 28 euro one hour. I had double room so I payed nothing to reception and had a very good sex with bbbj, no anal, and dfk. Very good value/money.
Uzhorod rural city, very cheap and full of beauty everywhere.
So I thought that in Odessa I could do very well, but as I already wrote Ods was only big disappointed, so I tested also Nikolaev.
NIKOLAEV
The travel from Ods to Nik, is at least 2 hour and half, the street is very bad, many truck and slow cars, they are about only 150km but they seems 400km..
The city is little and pretty sad city, typical FSU city, I had to meet with 2girls.
The first had very good foto in profile, but live she looks totaly different, she drunk a martini and I made her understand I was not interesting.
After half hour I met the second one, very nice,about a 7'!
She was 22yo student and working part time in office. We had a good afternoon walking to the city and drunk some vodka juice.
Then I left for Ods. In the same day I called her and chit chat by sms too.
I invited her to Ods, cause I stayed there also 1 week. She told me she had no money for the travel. ( remember by minibus the travel is 42 grivnas...). I suggest her I could send her some money by western union, she refused cause she said she did not need my money, when I insist to make her to come to Ods, (she was nice and in Ods I was die for bore...) , she told me that I am stupid if i do not undestant that she bought a mobile phone few weeks before for 1800 grivnas, so she had not money and she could not accept my money too.
Then few days after wrote me one of the many girls I contacted in mail.ru, she was from Nik and I proposed her immediately to come to visit me to Ods.
I asked her phone number and I called her for half hour. We had very good conversation and she told me she left her son, she is divorced 26yo and a solid 7', to her mother,so she came but back in evening. I agreed.
But after few hours she called me and she told me, her mother did not allow her to go till Ods. We then wrote many sms and agree that on friday I went to Nik and on saturday she come to Ods.
On friday morning at 8:00 when I was going to search a good car to go to Nik ,she wrote me sms and she told me she had to go to work,please do not come to Nik!
So..
- I am sure that most of the men, if not all..., went to Ods, when they realized in Ods is mission impossible to pick up with regular, immediately they contacted girls from Nik, it means that in Nik the women are ruined as well as in Ods.
- the mine 2 girls, showed me that also in Nik the girls are fucked up as in Ods and they have the same bitchy attitude.
-the city is ugly, sad and if I saw all the center in half hour in september and got boring in one hour,even if every street had many persons walking, I cannot imagine what you can do in winter there...
I suppose to stay in Nik in winter had to be so funny as to live inside to graveyard...
-Ash1001 I am pretty sure you do not know what you are talking about, when you plan to go to Nik.
However I will be very happy if you go there and if you showed me with proof that I am wrong...
-last but not the least, If Odessa with tons of turist, have almost zero pro scene, Nik sad, ugly city with zero turism have even less pro scene.
PICS
The first one is the second girl I met and had no 42 grivnas to come to Ods and did not want to accept my money for travel.. to make long short, even if she lives in a "city" in middle of nowhere is hard as girls in Deribasoskaya.
The others foto...for all the others who are romantic souls and not interested in get pussy,they can enjoy the sunset there...
Bez Bezarra
09-23-06, 23:54
Kharkov?
Your fotos Sumskaya ulitsa?
Your fotos Sumskaya ulitsa?Konieshno, a gdie?
Hi Lukasek,
You seem to have reached the view "that also in Nik the girls are fucked up as in Ods and they have the same bitchy attitude" after one bad experience with one girl. Is this your entire experience with Nikolaev girls?
Furthermore, you expected her to go with you to a different city a couple of hours after meeting you: isn't that expecting a little much? Obviously she would have made up some kind of excuse.
I've come to the conclusion that ODS girls are bitchy after having negative experiences with about FIFTY of them :) 50 girls who either blank you outright in clubs, are just plain rude or think they have the God given right to be bought drinks without giving anything in return. Even then, I've managed to get some results, but with far more hassle than it's really worth.
I think if you tried approaching 50 different girls in NIK nightclubs and bars, the results would be very different.
Hi Ash1001,
-I contacted more than 50 girls from Nik in net and also from net you can have an idea about their attitude...
-No contact eyes in the street too... ( and usually I get contacts eyes in Prague and in Bratislava and believe me there are "a bit" more westerners in Pha and Ba than in Nik..)
-Yes maybe biggest chance in Nik than in Ods,but you have so little time, only 4 days, that I think it is really hard that some pussy will start to blowjob you, after few hours you offered her a bottle of Dom Perignon...
-I am pretty sure the night clubs and disko are totally empty during the week and full only on friday and saturday, the same as I saw in Ods during 16 days...IN SEPTEMBER,not winter...
-the problem is that smaller the city, more conservative the attitude of girls too, I doubt that many girls in Nik will only waiting for westerners to save them...
-Ash you think I made too hard, but I think you make it too easy too... My friends were 5 days in Kiev and 5 days in Ods, they got zero regular in Ods and two times both two went home with regulars met in disko and with zero money. I hardly suggest you to go to Kiev, much much more friendly pussy and zero risk to die for bore as in Nik..
-remember that I thought to stay in Nik few days before to arrive there, once there, I immediately changed my mind, besides mac donald and couple of restaurant there is nothing in the main street that it is the center of the "city" , immediately Ods seems to me as Moscow....
-also...as I saw the girls know very well that to have the visa for western europe is a mission impossible if you not are going to pay about 2.000$ in agency travel, so they are pretty sure you want only to fuck them once, (even if you will tell them that you are going to open business or to buy all the city...), so for what reason they have to jump between your legs with open mouth? For a bottle of champagne? Cause you are nice looking and dressing? Are you sure you are not dreaming too much? Just a question...
However I really do not want to convince you not to go there, as I already wrote, I will be happy if you will go there and you will show me, with proof..., that I am wrong....
But actually positive comments in Ods are all fakes written from members with few reports and the ones who was supposed to are going to do well in Ods, simply disappear once at home and never wrote their reports, it means... they got zero pussy and they are too disappointed to write at least short report....so if you decide to go..let us to know the truth out there as the truth is what I wrote too.
I have been recently in Nikolaev. Mainly because Odessa was boring, but also because I red two positive reports on Nikolaev. One of these reports was "Ukraine or Minsk?" from Ruan2006. The other report I did read on a different forum.
I still am not sure what to think about Nikolaev.
I did stay one weekend (friday-sunday).
Only place were something happens is main street, were all bars are. And only in the weekend. Already sunday evening things were down.
There also is a disco somewere else in town. But disco's are not my thing.
Freebees?
Girls were better approachable then in Odessa. Although I did get also a number of negative reactions approaching girls (70% negative - 30% positive).
Three evenings approaching girls in the street resulted in two girls per evening having one of more beers with me (= 3 evenings * 2 girls = 6 girls total).
Some of these girls were alone and some were accompanied by their a girlfriend.
From 5 of these girls I did get a telephone number.
From 2 girls I had the firm idea something was possible after futher dating.
One of these 2 girls was a "6". She had a big ass, which I didn't see when I approached here because she was sitting at that moment.
The other girl was an "8".
I met the "6" on my first day and decided not to date here any futher. The "8" I did meet on my last evening. No time to make any other dates.
The girls that I persuaded to have drinks with were "decent" girls. Strange thing is I had to convince them that they could speak English. Very strange: because most of them were students and did have 6 years of English classes. But they just don't practise conversation at school and they are affraid of making mistakes when talking to you.
Pro's?
On saturday night at 2 am one girl sitting with other girls somewhere on a terrace asked me were I came from. But before I could answer some big guy comes, sits down and asks me why I am talking to one of his girls. I don't know if he is kidding or not. Then he notices my watch (looks expensive, but is cheap). He asks if he can have it. Still dont know if he is kidding or not. I don't like the situation, pay my bill, say goodbye and go away.
On sunday evening when finishing dinner I saw a beautifull girl who started smiling to me when I looked in her direction. Unfortunately she was with two very ugly girlfriends and they had just ordered for the food. I invited myself to their table, but I didn't feel like buying drinks for all three of them and eventually ending up in paying for their complete dinner. So I went away. Maybe I should have suggested meeting them somewhere after they had finished dinner. Don't know.
I still am not sure what to think about Nikolaev. Maybe I should have been more determined.
Only way me coming back to the Ukrain (not Kiev, not Odessa, not Kharkov) is with somebody else who can pretty much assure results and who is very experienced.
For some other reflections on provincial towns do see: "going provincial?" from Doctor_Shank
Fido Dido thanks for your report, with proofs!, about Nik, so maybe now all who are dreaming about Nik as the heaven from where to get free pussy in a while, have something to reflect...
You stayed one week and 7 days are still not enough time to score them and if it is not enough time in summer, it is nothing in winter.
I am sure that if somebody lives in Nik can get many pussy after the first month, but for short time Nik is not so different as in Ods.
I remember in chat in mail.ru how friendly were the girls from Kiev... maybe the shitty attitude is about the south of UA, who knows..
However I am happy I was not the only one who was disappointed from Nik, and I was not disappointed cause I did no score, but for the bitchy attitude of girls, that's the point!!!
Also the Katya I met, studied 5 years of english and speak almost zero, we spoke mostly in Russian and she told me that during the lessons of english at school she listened...mp3 reader... it speaks a lot how much the girls in Nik have desire to left this "city" and to go out of UA...in 2006 most of them speak only two languages...russian and ukranian...
I've been there from the past jan., 15th, to Feb., 22nd.
That temperature sometimes, generally a bit less. Always ice and snow.
Sometimes public transports were blocked.
I suffer much more the cold in my country than there, due to the much humidity.
And devushki are so warm with such a weather.
Bez Bezarra
09-29-06, 12:39
Are the universities in session in early January to visit?
This is their holiday time, so girls are feeling happy
after exams are finished. They are ready to have
parties and do celebration of getting drunk and wild
sex romping and orgies.
Before they are too busy studying.
Hey Ballsthug!
You don't have PM.
I need to speak with you please.
This is their holiday time, so girls are feeling happy after exams are finished. They are ready to have parties and do celebration of getting drunk and wild sex romping and orgies.
Before they are too busy studying.
Hey Ballsthug!
You don't have PM.
I need to speak with you please.I see the link to PMs, maybe it's not allowed because I didn't subscribe to the site sending money. But I don't have (and don't need) a Visa or Mastercard but a Maestro credit card, so common in East Europe.
PS: Where are all these sex parties?
Doctor_Skank
09-29-06, 13:11
Early January many students go home for Christmas holidays or stay with their families.
It's generally a quiet time anywhere in Ukraine/Russia.
Kharkov is a big city so you will find fun somewhere, but it isn't "party season".
Hi Lukasek,
I think if you tried approaching 50 different girls in NIK nightclubs and bars, the results would be very different.You will have to be more then lucky if you should meet 50 girls in nightclub.
When I was in the nightclub Monack. I think the was ten Mafia look like men and four girls.
Back of the hotel Tourist there is many bars and returant. I think I only saw four singel girls.
Bez Bezarra
10-09-06, 03:47
I sent PMs, it's not allowed because I didn't bribe the site.
But I Masterbate so common at sex parties
Hey Bugsthrax.
From January 7th to the 17th, all the virgin styudenkas will
drink many tequilla bottles with Vinnie Voila, and he will
dress them in Brown Shirts and they will goose step up
to the monument lenina for debauching on baldy's frozen
lap.
VINI VIDI VOMIT!
going to Lviv soon - any information on where one can find some action?
thanks tiger
NIKOLAEV
The travel from Ods to Nik, is at least 2 hour and half, the street is very bad, many truck and slow cars, they are about only 150km but they seems 400km..
The city is little and pretty sad city, typical FSU city, I had to meet with 2girls.
The first had very good foto in profile, but live she looks totaly different, she drunk a martini and I made her understand I was not interesting.
After half hour I met the second one, very nice,about a 7'!
She was 22yo student and working part time in office. We had a good afternoon walking to the city and drunk some vodka juice.
Then I left for Ods. In the same day I called her and chit chat by sms too.
I invited her to Ods, cause I stayed there also 1 week. She told me she had no money for the travel. ( remember by minibus the travel is 42 grivnas...). I suggest her I could send her some money by western union, she refused cause she said she did not need my money, when I insist to make her to come to Ods, (she was nice and in Ods I was die for bore...) , she told me that I am stupid if i do not undestant that she bought a mobile phone few weeks before for 1800 grivnas, so she had not money and she could not accept my money too.
Then few days after wrote me one of the many girls I contacted in mail.ru, she was from Nik and I proposed her immediately to come to visit me to Ods.
I asked her phone number and I called her for half hour. We had very good conversation and she told me she left her son, she is divorced 26yo and a solid 7', to her mother,so she came but back in evening. I agreed.
But after few hours she called me and she told me, her mother did not allow her to go till Ods. We then wrote many sms and agree that on friday I went to Nik and on saturday she come to Ods.
On friday morning at 8:00 when I was going to search a good car to go to Nik ,she wrote me sms and she told me she had to go to work,please do not come to Nik!
So..
- I am sure that most of the men, if not all..., went to Ods, when they realized in Ods is mission impossible to pick up with regular, immediately they contacted girls from Nik, it means that in Nik the women are ruined as well as in Ods.
- The mine 2 girls, showed me that also in Nik the girls are fucked up as in Ods and they have the same bitchy attitude.
- The city is ugly, sad and if I saw all the center in half hour in september and got boring in one hour,even if every street had many persons walking, I cannot imagine what you can do in winter there.
I suppose to stay in Nik in winter had to be so funny as to live inside to graveyard...
- Ash1001 I am pretty sure you do not know what you are talking about, when you plan to go to Nik.
However I will be very happy if you go there and if you showed me with proof that I am wrong.
- Last but not the least, If Odessa with tons of turist, have almost zero pro scene, Nik sad, ugly city with zero turism have even less pro scene.
________________________________________________________________
Hi
I have been to Nikolaev in May 06. I went there after Odessa on my way to Kiev. Actually there is a night train from Nikolaev to Kiev so I decided to make a 1 day stop at Nikolaev which is just 2 hours by bus from Odessa .
Stayed in Hotel Kontinent just in front of Mc Donald at the crossing of two main streets.
As for the sadness of the city you are talking about, I can only agree with you
Many young people on the main street but when you are walking alone you feel little bit depressed, and besides this street, nowhere to go for an interessing walk. You feel like trapped.
Was at a strip club (just near the hotel on main place), you seem to be looked down by waitresses if you go there alone, but I suspect this place to be much better if you go there with some friend(s). For one hour or two I only drink beers and looked at the shows then left.
Back to the hotel I had the lucidity to ask the guy at the desk for a girl, he said he will call me back. 5 minutes later he called me said one girl will come, costs 200 grivna/hour (about 30 euros). 30 minutes later the girl came, she was OK but not more, same for the service but it was still going better after a disappointing day. She was 19 or so, maybe a 6,5
Then when she left I gave her 10 grivnas for her taxi and asked her to tell the guy at the desk I want another girl. The guy called me, asked if I disliked the girl I said no but I just want another one. He said OK I have better one but she more expensive, 250 grivnas. No problem for me.
The other girl came fast, she was more friendly than the first one, better looking and also more mature, she was 30 I guess and a 7 with nice body. After discussing with her we agreed for 100 extra grivnas for BBBJ. Sex was good and I could sleep well after this session.
All in all I could say that Nikolaiev is unexpensive if you invite pros to your hotel, but don't expect too much from it any other ways if you go there for a couple of days by yourself. This destination is avoidable!
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Hello fellow BMs,
I'm a newbie on here so please be gentle. :-)
A couple of mates and I will be in Donetsk for a couple of nights in mid-November.
Can anyone recommend anywhere decent where to find some P4P action with local girls?
Bars / nightclubs / hotels: Please share your knowledge!
I'll be more than happy to post a report on our return :-)
Thanks in advance
Bez Bezarra
10-13-06, 02:16
It doesn't matter where you go or what you do, this song remains the same!
Travel is very bad, truck and slow cars, 150km seems 400km.
The city is sad, typical FSU.
The very good foto profile looks totaly different, and not interesting.
She was 22 told me that I am stupid
if i dont undestant she not accept money.
I proposed her to come visit me.
she is 26 but her mother did not allow her to go.
We wrote many sms and agreed then she told me please dont come!
This showed me girls are fucken bitches
I imagine to stay in winter to be so fun as inside graveyard.
This says it all.
I will be in LVIV in January,
could someaone give me some info about it? how is the action there?
Thanks a lot,
Hornet
I will be in LVIV in January,
could someaone give me some info about it? how is the action there?
Thanks a lot,
Hornet
Sure, Lvov, Lviv or even Lemburg is a larger town. My info is 4 years back and I stayed in some hotel called Grand. All what you need availble in the lobby or bar. You will have no problem to find fun. In case you do not know what to do then ask hotel security, it will be the first and only hotel in Ukraine if he cannot help you...
Sure, Lvov, Lviv or even Lemburg is a larger town. My info is 4 years back and I stayed in some hotel called Grand. All what you need availble in the lobby or bar. You will have no problem to find fun. In case you do not know what to do then ask hotel security, it will be the first and only hotel in Ukraine if he cannot help you...It will be first time in Ukraine but I have read good report.
I will let you know what I found.
Thanks,
Hornet
American Ukraine
11-15-06, 22:49
Hey whats up!
This is Samy! I am an American. I go to med school in Lugansk (Luhansk), Ukraine, been here since 3 years, I am 25. If anybody needs to know about Lugansk, clubs, bars, women etc. I am the person.
You don't need a marriage agency! Don't SEND MONEY TO ANY WOMEN HERE!
If you really want a wife come here and find it for yourself. Women here are easy to talk to and very pleasant with foreigners.
Folks, lugansk aint no place for sight seeing. If you want to see beautiful places, and stuff go to western europe. Don't wate your time here. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE FUN! EASY WOMEN, ALCOHOL, PARTY, SEX then Lugansk (Luhansk) is the place!
You want to come here you better know that you coming here to GET LAID! And thats about it, lotta women. All types of women. Practially you can get a new beautiful woman everyday if you are a foreigner.
I LOVE MY LIFE HERE, I am having the time of my time:)))). Yall need any help let me know. !
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ONCE AGAIN don't SEND MONEY TO ANY PERSON WHO YOU MET ONLINE
Regards
Samy
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Hello American Ukraine, I ve lived in East Ukraine for nearly as long as you, I own property here, have business interests, and like you totally enjoy my life in this part of the world. I must say however, that I am not certain I agree with your assessment that sex is easy here. I am much older than you, in my mid 40s, but I have money, and it's still a challenge to find beautiul Ukraine girls, not to date, but to get in the sack. Of course finding average girls is not much of a problem, You being a student, you can easily get good contacts with many types of girls, and I know that a past Ms. Lugansk is a medical student in her fourth term. I know people who work at the Medical Lyceum, and I ve never heard about an American attending the medical university, I learn something everyday.
I think girls here first choise of guy would be a rich Ukrainian with a car, they don't care if he has a good job, just a guy with money and how he obtained this money is of no concern. A guy here who has alot of money is most likely family money, as real good jobs are hard to come by, their second choise would be a good Ukraine guy with a decent job: but, in my opioion, good Ukraine guys are few and far between, as most will eventually stray and drink very often.
As far as discos here, I ve been to them all, I don't know of any that have p4p. There's only one place I know of that has p4p, and that's a restaurant/bar near the Russia, and the quality is below average, at best. I agree, marriages agencies are a total waste, you dont need them, I wish they would all close, they're corrupt basturds.
American Ukraine
11-17-06, 12:27
Dude, its not so hard getting women, are you sure you live in east Ukraine? These women are dieng leave this country and their only key is a foriegner so they give extra preference to a european or american male.
Talking about ukranian men with money and cars.comon. 1 or 2 out a 100 have a car that to an old lada or something. The rest are walking it off and using public transport.
Ever wondered why those poor ukranian men walking and using masutka (buses) have those beautiful sey babes next to them holding their hands. Let me tell you why. Not because women don't want foriegners. But becasuse, when they see a forienger they think he is one of those men who come down here trying to act like they are finding a wife. But they just want to get in to the girls pants.
And suppose you tell them I want yo marry you. I like you sooo much and I want a relationship. Do you actually expect her to sleep with you the same night? Which man would marry a women who slept with him after a few hours. So the women are smart. They know this and want to delay the sex. Don't give them hopes in the first place
Don't SHOW THEM MONEY! . Do ukranian men show money? They don't have money. But have women.
Be yourslef. Money will only get you to a sauna and to fuck hookers.
Even hookers are cheap here. 15 $ for one hour.
I get as many women as I want. I play my game right. I don't spend that much on them nor do I give them hopes of marriage and show them that I have money and stability. And bla bla bla. I hangout in the right clubs and bars where I know I can get women
Let them treat you like they treat ukranian men. Women are daym easy.
And like you said " and it's still a challenge to find beautiul Ukraine girls, not to date, but to get in the sack" you say its easy to go out on a date. So if you get them on a date how hard can it be to get laid? 2 dates? .
Play your game right playa you gonna fuck them all:)))
Women are practically dieing for foriegn men here in lugansk. Every other girl in my university and in my social circle, asks me if I have a foriegn friend who I can introduce her to.
They are daym easy bro.
By the way. There are 2 other Ameircans in the med university. And 7 from England, 4 from Australia and many more nationalities. You getting to learn a lot today. Have fun. And if you want we can go hunting together someday. Holla at me playa!
Peace out!
I have always and will continue to maintain that the vast majority of girls here would perfer a Ukrainian guy to a guy from anywhere else. Why this is the case, I have no idea. Granted, they're some decent Ukrainian guys, but most are not. Many guys here are rude, crude, arriagant, loud, obnoxious, and sometimes act in such a manner that makes me want to blow chuncks. But, the Ukraine guys are who they are, and the girls know this and accept them for who they are.
There's not a day that passes that I see a nice looking girl walking in the center; hand-in-hand, with a typicle low-life Ukraine guy, the girl is most always dressed up, while the guy is dressed down. But if this guy doesnt have money, at least a little to spend on this girl, she won't be with him for more than just a few dates. Many girls here don't expect much, but they do expect an occasional gift from a guy, and to be taken to a nice cafe/ restaurant. Granted, many guys here have no money, and if this is the case the girl may stay with him just till something better comes along, girls here are always looking to move up, and if the girl is cute, she wont have any problems attracting other guys. I think this may be one reason relationships here don't last long here, the guy simply cant afford her.
Since I ve lived here I have dated some beautiful girls, I am not boasting, a guy here with a little money to spend can date nice looking girls without much difficulties. I don't mind giving girls nice gifts, and taking them to the best restaurants in the city, but after the fourth date or so, if there is no progress being made, the relationship will stop. But, it's a two way street, if you are dating a beautiful girl here, and have no money, I don't care who you are, she won't be with you long. Beautiful girls know that it won't take much for them to attract a guy who has money, and there are guys in this town who have alot of money. I feel as a general rule, the more beautiful the girl, the more expensive she'll. I have given some girls here some very nice gifts, and the sex is wonderful, I never give money to any girl here, but gifts and taking them to nice places is, for me, no problem. If you take a beautiful girl to a nice restaurant, she is most certainly thinking about having sex with you, she knows of course, that if you are spending money on her, sex is occupying your mind as well.
Now, I have no idea what Lugansk you're taking about, or maybe you reside out in the sticks near the medical university and don't get out much, not sure which. I have been told by a police official (I own a flat near the main police station across from the park) that just over 20 percent of the families in Lugansk have cars, and these familys have kids and these kids drive these cars, and not all of these cars are 20 yr old Ladas; albeit, I do like the newer models Ladas. In this town I see many beemers, SUVs, cads, Chevs, fords, oudies, many very nice cars, granted, the middle wage here is about 620 г. but for many people here buying a car is not much of a problem.
All I am saying is, girls here perfer Ukraine guys and are not dying to get out, maybe some are, but most aren't. Dating an average girl here is not a problem, or any girl for that matter, but all girls expect gifts, and if you date an extremely beautiful girl, you need to have money, otherwise, she'll easily find someone who does.
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I think the difference may be that our American Ukraine/Ukrainian American is a younger dude and many posters here are not. If one is young and decent looking, he doesn't need to use money to get girls. It's about what one can offer to girls. If one is older and less attractive, he needs to have something else to make up for it. And that is mainly money or material comforts. I think this explains the difference in batting average.
A young foreign man in a Ukrainian university gets lots of opportunities to meet girls. Hell, anybody regardless foreign or not, gets lots of chicks. This is what college students do, they fuck, in Ukraine or elsewhere, particularly in shitty parts of Ukraine. Whatelse can they do over there other than screwing their fellow students?
Younger foreign men, provided not homely looking, do NOT need to resort to dengi to get women in Russia/Ukraine.
Btw, American Ukraine, I can't figure out why Brits, Americans and other foreigners would go to Ukraine for medical school? Are the diplomas even transferrable back home? I doubt it. So why are you guys there? For easy lay? Or do you guys have Ukrainains/Russian roots? Just out of curiosity.
Felix Nordic
11-19-06, 02:24
I think looks and young age can be one factor but its really not that important in EE and especially not in FSU. And if you also take in to consideration that youre youre not in the capital where its usually a bit more westernised, chances should be there. If you have a position in society, youre a good catch for the girls, even if not very handsome. A western man, provided he's normal looking, will get girls because they think differently than our western chicks! Just check out that a number of babes walking around with barbarian looking local men who can be both fat and have the beer gut and treat the girls in a less than charming way.
However everybody experience situations differently and its a lot in your personal approach as well. You cant for sure do the western style and be too polite. You got to be something inbetween EE style but with the gentleman mannors of a western man as well as the potential to give a girl either security or a better life. Be more straight forward and dare to take the contacts. Some girls just want fun and maybe thats more valid for chicks living away from parents and going to university. Some guys have the pick up talents naturally and some are very laid back expecting the chicks to run after them. And some are to shy which definietely dont work. I usually have to work quite hard to get them, but Im also sometimes rewarded.
Its should also be noted, and this are facts given by friends regulary visiting Ukraine, that its definetely shifting to the negative side to get girls today. Girls have internet and they have hords of foreign men wanting them as well as wealthy local men. Also the feminism is slowly comming to EE. Its becomming rarer and rarer to bed girls on the first date and even on the 2nd and 3rd date.
Just my 2 cents,
Felix
American Ukraine
11-19-06, 09:56
Hey CharlieH,
The Medical University of Lugansk is recognized world wide so it has more foriegn students than Ukranian, when we get our degree from here, we just have to appear in a licence exam of the respective country we are from and if we pass the exam, we can directly start our jobs. But there is a lot of temptation here, beautiful women throwing themselves at you specailly at the universities, cheap alochol and everybody else around you getting drunk from the start of the day. Not the perfect study atmosphere, but I try to my best even at school. :))
Bez Bezarra
11-20-06, 12:35
This is Samy I am 25.
I don't need marriage!
Folks, lugansk aint no place for you
go to western europe.
Don't wate your time here.
I SEX maniac
So how many foreign mongers in their 20's are going to go be tourist
in Lugans'k? Uhh....... NONE?
Ok, then how many foreign mongers of ANY age visit Lugans'k
as tourist? Maybe uh......ONE? Maybe???
Do women in eastern Ukraine and western Russian cities,
(not Moskva or Pitr), meet many foreign men? No of course not.
It just doesn't happen sooften and it probably won't.
As I report earlier, on a stop-over one-nighter in Kiev this month,
after 6 hours of calling every escort agency in What's On magazine,
and sending back every one they sent, I finally accepted a big 19
years Lugans'k amazon girl with pretty face who had been whoring
for 3 days straight without any sleep. What a SUKA! A megabitch
on wheels. Her behavior and attitude was SO bad, it took every
ounce of my suave sophistication not to just throw her 12 stories
right off my balcony. Thinking she could never be any good, I just
laid her out on the coffee table and jammed her head nto the corner
and started giving her a fuck, and wouldn't you know, after a few
minutes of dick, she started getting creazy. But that was her
highlight, that and watching her pretty face all scrunchy from
orgasms and her huge boobs flying around from hard sex. Hey,
she's a dirty hoo-ah, gotta give it to her proper and all. Forget
about it.
She came by train to the capital for a first job as prostitutki, make
maximum cash fast as possible before she soon return to her poor
life of Lugans'k.
If that doesn't tell you everything you need know, then please,
by all means, enroll in the famous med school tomorrow. And if you
happen to be feeling ill one day, and notice that your American
doctor has his diploma on the wall from Lugans'k, you may want
to seek a second opinion. Unless your problem is the clap.
American Ukraine
11-20-06, 15:01
Bez Bezarra,
Whats up with you dude, aren't getting enough sex nowdays? Why are acting frustrated? Why are you quoting me wrong? I never made that statement. Guys you can check my posts, I never said something like that. Bez Bezarra get a life!
Bez Bezarra
11-20-06, 23:47
Bez Bezarra stud getting sex now
Why i frustrated?
Why me wrong?
I taste Guys
you can check my posts
I said that.
Bez Barrage life!
I think its probably just a typo or something, but please try again.
We're all enjoying :)
And I am getting this, so not to worry sonny.
I have spent 10 days in Berdyansk in late August. This is both a small Ukrainian town in its own right, with 125,000 inhabitants, and a place that is considered a cheap holiday option for less well-to-do tourists (as the whole of the Sea of Azov is). Whereas the Crimea has a lot of Muscovites and other Russians from cities like Smolensk or even Ekaterinburg, Berdyansk attracts holidayers from the Ukrainian interior. I have found that the season winds down early here, by mid-August, so that towards the end of the month most girls around were locals. This is a small town; girls are afraid of being considered easy; word spreads quickly, so many of the locals will not, even in an intoxicated state, allow any dirty dancing or close body contact in a club. Tourists are, of course, a different matter; I had a group of six married Mariupol chicks undress me in a 2 am joint vodka-fuelled effort at the house they were renting there, outside, visible from the street. My advice is: go there between mid-July and mid-August and you may get very lucky. The main clubs are Kristall and Rio, both in the centre and easy to find. But you HAVE to speak Russian to score with the girls; if you don't you will spend the night looking for the only English speaker in the club. I doubt there are lots of prostitutes here, even the locals know nothing. They said that if there were any (at some point there seems to have been some service) they were most likely to hang around the park (forgot the name, but it's the only central one in Berdyansk). I suggest though, don't go here for whoring, it certainly isn't worth it. The beaches are OK, the water is very warm but I am told that it can also be dirty at times (OK when I was there). Berdyansk can be reached by train from the north or bus from the west. I don't know about the other directions but it's easy to check.
A helpful link for the bus timetables: http://www.bus.com.ua/
(Russian/Ukrainian only).
Unlike the Sea of Azov, the southern coast of the Crimea, shielded by the mountains in the north, attracts tourists right to the end of September. This is why, when the season was winding down in Berdyansk, I travelled on to Koktebel', a very special place where everything worth mentioning except for the post office and market is located right on the coast. This means that, as you walk down the naberezhnaya, you will see the same people again and again, to the point when you can even recognise who is new. Therefore, it will be difficult to have two "girlfriends" at the same time, but in practice this is unlikely anyway at a holiday destination where you are expected to see "your" girl every day and night for lack of good excuses. That said, Koktebel' has a very special atmosphere, some combination of literary heritage (Voloshin lived here) and sexual attraction. It is also very beautiful and has the Ukraine's only volcano, the Kara-Dag (no longer active). Koktebel' is famous for its nude beach; a lot of people camp out on the beach far to the left. Your wealth may be less attractive to these girls than usual, but if you bring the right (laid-back) attitude you are certain to score here, though probably not on the first night. Main clubs are the Santa Fe, Randevu and Grin-Plyazh (farther to the right as you look at the sea). No need to overdress, that's a Yalta-Sochi thing.
Sudak keeps rocking until late September. It has some fantastic parties and really loose morals in midsummer, I am told (including pre-parties at clubs starting at 6 or 8 pm), but it was still pretty good in late Sep. It is big enough for relative anonymity, but you will still bump into people you know on a regular basis. This is more of a mainstream holiday resort than Koktebel', so you won't have to cater to any New Age mumbo-jumbo to get laid. The only clubs open when I went were Dostluk (excellent food too) and the place opposite with more modern music (forgot the name). I can recommend Hotel Forum. Of the three places I visited, I found this the best for hunting sluts (or rather, normal girls acting slutty for the duration - 3 girls in 7 days); again, no *****s to be seen.
One point, if you ever go to the cinema (films in Russian) and the toilet is closed, DON'T go to the nearby park to relieve yourself during the movie, because the militsionery know the problem as well as you do. They will wait for you to finish your thing, then approach you with their flashlights and tell you what article of what law or regulation you have violated, and tell you of the dire consequences until you ask if the shtraf can be paid "on the spot" (i.e. a bribe). Cost me $10, probably overpaid by local standards.
Again, speak Russian. English gets you nowhere here. No English menus, hardly any English speakers.
Overall, with the possible exception of Sudak (especially during high season), Moscow is still a better bet for finding one-night stands, but then it will be easier here to score with a *pretty* girl for free than in Moscow. Usually, it ends in sex here at date 1 or 2, whereas in Moscow if a girl doesn't sleep with you the night you meet her she is often trying to develop a meaningful long-term relationship, meaning you may get to 3-4 dates, still with no result.
Hi America Ukraine,
Could you tell us your living and study expenses?
Thank you in advance
American Ukraine
12-03-06, 10:48
The school fees is 2500$ yearly. Living is very cheap. With 300$ a month you can live like a king over here.
Latin Crusher
12-07-06, 04:34
So Mr American Ukarine, u live in Luhansk , that is cool I was there like 2 years ago, with a friend of mine from England , who met some girl, that end up being a scam, there were some hotties around but no one spoke the english language , except for a few, yeah we got an apartment for l 15 days for like 115 dollars all furniture and stuff, we brought some girls we met in some bar thing close to a university , we had a blast, also we had a translator guy that hooked us up with prostitutes if we wanted too , but there was no need for that, all I know is that Im planning on going there again what so I need your guidance what club or area you recommend?, is Luhansk still the same as it was 2004, I remembered my english friend was so hooked on this girl snatch that he bought her a lap top , crazy bastard he was , well let me know what is going on, after all me and one of my latin friends from NY wanna check it out, your services will be rewarded thanks.
Carlos
Latin Crusher
12-08-06, 04:07
Hello Mr Bezerra,
Did you by any chance meet a girl from Luhansk that had huge tits you have pictures of her that were posted by another member in the Odessa forum! If is who I'm thinking is the same my friend is been writing to on some dating , fill me up with some of your extensive knowledge in the subject, and do you recommend a luhansk trip ? well hope to hear from you take care!
Carlos!
Anybody on forum had any massages in Sevastopol?
Does anyone have my info on this?
I have some experience in Western Europe and Asia. In Ukraine only Kievbut it was some years ago. Now I am planning a trip to Donetsk and see the chances there. Therefore, the information from experts in this city would be much appreciated. I know that the chances in Provinces are cheaper but more difficult too. I only know that there are nice girls, dreaming to escape from the country and mainly go to Turkey (for some of these girls the Paradise). It seems to be in Donetsk a normal salary USD 200 per month (?).
I don’t know the scene there and no personal evidence of these facts. Therefore, information, regarding prices for a good sex weekend with non pro or semi pro (student type), accommodation (hotels or flats for rent), fly / train connection from Kiev, security / criminality, the best time / season to go there and any further information regarding Donetsk would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance and I know that I am one of these users of this Forum only to “consume” information and only provide few reports of my experiences in other regions. But for the experts in Ukraine I can offer exchange of information with Western Europe or Asia.
Regards
Bez Bezarra
12-17-06, 15:00
74.
Much better to fly from Kiev Juliany airport to Donetsk
on 1 hour flight instead of 12 hours on a train. Cost
for flight is cheap also. Book tickets ahead though if
possible with agent.
I haven't heard any girls say that they think that Turkey is
a paradise.
LatinC.
Can you please say what foto in odesa thread? What girl?
Sorry, I can not recommend Luhans'k, it is shit-hole of city.
If this is your only option or choice, then go. If not, try a
different destination. Maybe Rostov or Volgograd?
I guess if your passport limited you to traveling to the former FSU and a few other places Turkey might seem like paradise say as opposed to Murmansk. ;)
Also, I'd like to mention that in all my time in Kiev I never came across a girl who was desperate to leave the Ukraine - some thought it might be a good or interesting idea but never desperate. When traveling to Kharkov I noticed you might get a little more play on this.
Bez Bezarra
12-17-06, 23:21
If passport limited travel to FSU Turkey might seem like paradise.
In all my time in Kiev I never came across a girl
desperate to leave Ukraine.
in Kharkov you might get more play on this.
I thought that Ukrainians are not restricted to travel to Turkey.
I've met many russians and ukrainians who have travelled to
the US, and I never met one that wanted to live in their home
country afterwards.
I've found Kharkovites to be more russian than ukrainian, and
therefore less interested in fantasies of emigration.
Latin Crusher
12-18-06, 02:54
Well this is the girl do you know her, because I met her last time when I was in Luhansk she was freebie , her pics are in the Odessa page report #623 gigantic huge breasts!
Bez Bezarra
12-18-06, 12:44
No, sorry. I don't know that giant juggy dyev.
She needs reduction. Those things are dangerous.
Anyway, I prefer 38's, not 88's.
Doctor_Skank
12-19-06, 14:31
Surely it's a joke : http://www.exile.ru/2005-July-01/th...moshenko .html
Prostitute school in Lugansk.
Real or not ?
That's not a serious question, right?
The initials of the school spell out "BLAD", which if you speak even rudimentary Russian you'll recognize as a "not so nice" word to describe females... no, the uni isn't real.
Sevastopol1
12-19-06, 15:42
Best massage used to operate out of Sevastopol Hotel, they had one room on the ground floor. They have dissapeared :-( had a very pleasant hour there a few months ago cost was 80 grivna, slim, young and naked.
If anyone has any info on this, please share.
What's the word on Nikolaev and Poltava? I'm planning a trip to Ukraine in March and want to head out of Kiev for a few days. Any info here guys?
Hi every one.
I am now to this burd, but not now in Ukraine, I have some exprinens to sher, and I will do it later on, I am in new york and U visit some time Ukraine for bigness, I will be next mont in Ukraine in a smul twone bitunee kive and oddest, cold “uman”.
If any one have some info. from girl’s and sex in this tone I will preseat.
Thnks
American Ukraine
12-26-06, 19:40
So Mr American Ukarine, u live in Luhansk , that is cool I was there like 2 years ago, with a friend of mine from England , I remembered my english friend was so hooked on this girl snatch that he bought her a lap top , crazy bastard he was , well let me know what is going on, after all me and one of my latin friends from NY wanna check it out, your services will be rewarded thanks.
CarlosHey Latin Crusher.
I am not in this for the money. And I am not a pimp. But I can introduce you to lovely ukranian women here free of cost:)) they are from my circle of friends, and you can take it on from there. Anything else you need I will try to do my best, regards! .
Samy
ChrisForSex
12-27-06, 00:15
Surely it's a joke : http://www.exile.ru/2005-July-01/th...moshenko .html
Prostitute school in Lugansk.
Real or not ?This is complete bullshit! I've just cam back from Lugansk. The building is completely different as in the picture. As far as I now there was nevers a BLAD title on it and guys be realistic - who would ever allow them to do this?
Hello American Ukraine
I'm coming to Lugansk on the 30 of Dec.
Do you have some tips for me?
Maybee we can come in contact.
Maybe I have some interesting thing for you to.
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Bez Bezarra
01-13-07, 03:14
I spent 2 weeks on floor like dog monger fuck streetwalker.
100€ dirty poon for arab had knife with old prostitute and deep throat without the teeth.
the famous Ukrainian moustache is made for dogs when her ass smell bad
To conclude, its not a good place to meet no feeling Ukrainians.
Women are just pussie
Ventures beyond Kyyiv-dome.
Doctor_Skank
01-13-07, 03:26
I spent 2 weeks... the bad experiment with the streetwalkers
Wow! I want to go there! Talk about negative press... thanks for the balance out on the previous Xanadu reports.
Will wonders never cease to happen. Vinnie's first-ever HONEST report! Try and keep it going!
Synombinky
01-13-07, 10:39
... too beautiful although the famous ukrainian moustache... and the only one who did not carry the famous Ukrainian moustache...
Hey buddy. Maybe I'm a little dense...what is the Ukrainian moustache? =)
Binky
This is some kind of joke, right?
I am sorry cause another man had bad experience with VV, I am sorry for you American Ukraine, really, I know very well what VV did to my friend, that I am sure you wrote nothing more than the truth.
You did very good to post his foto, but I scare it is not enough and that this "man" will go soon to fuck another good persons as he did in all his life...
The fact that he wrote only fake reports is the best thing he can do...as what he did to you are not the worst things he can do too...
I am so happy that the girl you introduce him, left him and went away, she looks so sweet...the kind of typical woman from east europe that did the only mistake to born in poor country...
Again I am sorry for you American man and I hope you are really the last person fucked from VV...even if surely soon most of mongers here will forget about who is VV...maybe better to ask to Jackson to open a new thread to beware all of us from VV?
Yes...maybe better...
Take care AM!
Please people, let me just make a few comments about Lugansk, I ve lived here for close to three years already and I can say with most certainty, that Lugansk isn't Kiev, Harkov, ODS, львов, or even pol-TAVA. This place is an unattractive, retro Soviet style, industrial, isolated mid-size city. Granted, the center is kind of nice, but the districts are in dire need of repair. I think I ve mentioned a few times that there is no reason to come here and seek p4p action because it's very minimal and the girls who participate in this are far below average; however, this city is full of very nice looking girls, but what's so unusual about that for any Ukraine city?
From what I mentioned, if anyone still has an urge to visit this city for p4p action, this is what I suggest, reco, book a room at the Hotel Lugansk, this hotel is located in the city center, decent rooms can be had for about 40 bones a night, and is girl friendly. About a 2 minute walk from this hotel you'll find the Pirnik Bar/Restaurant, this place is the Lugansk version of NF in Moscow; of course minus the quality and quanity. If you contiue to walk about 4 minutes or so, across the street from this bar is a sauna, located next to a Foxtrot electronic magazine, this sauna usually has 4 or so girls working or on call, there's also an on-again, off-again escort agency in this city; which at present, I think is off-again, due to failure to pay bribes.
Of course you'll find line ups here, maybe three or so, not sure. The worst line up; as far as quality, is located on Soivet UL, the best one is located in the East district near маш University, but keep in mind the girls here are fair at best.
I don't participate in p4p here, the quality just isn't worth it. I take the sponsor route, this for me is the best option. For about 3 bens, a girl will spend the night, maybe 5 or 6 times a month, and for me that's enough. Of course the deal includes; because she's not a ho :)), that I take her to dinner, bowling, ice skating or what ever...just occasionaly, and that's it.
I dont know what else to add, except that in the Hotel Lugansk, you'll find maybe 4 dating agengies who have offices there, if that's your thing, you can check them out and make arragements to date just regular girls. hope this helps.
Hi, guys
I'm new in here and I swear I have nothing to say but the truth
This guy vince was a real bad experience for my friend samy because samy helped him alot in this city but see what he got from vince.
I've met Vince 2 or 3 times and I noticed that he is not normal human being because first of all he looks stupid and the second thing he has mentaly problems.
Guys believe me I'm not saying this because samy is my friend, but I'm saying this to let you know the truth.
Vince came to Lugansk on the 29th of December 2006
The first when he came he saw the apartments and he liked it, but he was saying its expensive but it wasn't, believe me guys he was payin 20E per day and it was in the center and and its very secured area, samy didn't want to get him cheaper because they are far from the center and they are dengarous areas
Anywayz he took it and he was happy with it but I don't every time he was comin to visit me and samy we used to feed him like a Dog, he used to use our laptops also for llong time and it was okay for us.
But still he screwed our reputation and befor this guy samy helped many people, but why none of them complained, you see how vince is not normal.
And by the way we wanted to get him girls for free but he didn't want to come out imagine such a loser.
Vince came to ukraine with 1000 Euro imagine what can this money do in this country, this's to show you guys that this guy is cheap trust me, and I worn any people who is thinking to help this guy.
And guys sorry for everything.
And imagine guys vince v' never take shower after having sex, I think he hates being clean, thats why the house was stinking when vince was living here and trust me all the girls who came here they ran away of course not because of the house but because vince made thing dirty in here.
Thanks for reading my report.
I don't participate in p4p here, the quality just isn't worth it. I take the sponsor route, this for me is the best option. For about 3 bens, a girl will spend the night, maybe 5 or 6 times a month, and for me that's enough. Of course the deal includes; because she's not a ho :)), that I take her to dinner, bowling, ice skating or what ever...just occasionaly, and that's it.Interesting observation. I don't claim to be an expert on the Ukrain. I visited the Ukrain only twice (holiday). But I do agree. Dating "normal" girls is possible for an elder foreigner. Quite some girls are open to sponsoring. Point is: they don't want to see themselves as hookers!
Question is: how to profit from that if you don't live in the Ukrain and can only visit for short holidays (like 2 weeks)? Any ideas?
Synombinky
01-14-07, 22:41
Your response mystified me until I looked up 'pilosity' - I guess you mean they have hair on their faces, as do many groups of women all over earth. I guess the question is: if you don't like these girls and if they 'revolt' you, why do you spend so much time and effort trying to f*** them? =) I think Ukrainian women are lovely, hair and all! Just as long as they don't have beards longer than mine.
It's like in arabic countries, female pilosity upon the lips on the face, disgracious but if they make as western women so they are the most beautiful girls in the world. In Ukraine (without considering Kiev) 75% of girls have the famous ukrainian moustache. I like Ukrainian women because they have a beautiful face and what I like the most is the nose the kind of we can see in Kiev, western and southern Ukraine.
Once you leave Kiev Center the Ukraine goes to crap in a hurry.
I just picked up the recent issue of the Ukrainian Observer in Kiev. They had this fluff piece about how the Ukraine is not a poor country - saying only 14% of the people live below the poverty index because the other 86% can afford to buy bread to eat every month, so that means everything is A-OK. Sure there is a lot of construction going on in Kiev. But there is a noticable lack of any construction going on in any other city in the Ukraine. The whole economy is nothing more then smoke and mirrors. Much like the Russia boom and bust in the 90's. I hope the Ukrainians find oil to save them like the Russians did.
Hi, shyne, I just want to make a few comments re: this little spat with My Cousin Vinny. When I first read Samy's inital posts I felt he really glorified the actually happenings here in Lugansk, just my speculation and nothing else. He also mentioned in his most recent post something to the effect that, his friend charge him (My Cousin Vinny) a fee for finding a big, fat, ugly chick. And was also charged a fee for waiting at a sauna while My Cousin Vinny banged away. I am totally confused, if you, Samy and friends are here to help guys find sex in Lugansk, why charge at all?
Since I ve lived here, I ve helped many tourists, mainly guys from the west, who are here chasing girls through these silly agencies, and not once have I ever charged anyone. But, I don't advert on sites like this, or any site for that matter, that I am here to help, these are guys that I just run into, It's my feeling that you and Samy are trying to make a profit from guys who come here looking for cheap sex. Now, I have absolutly no problem with that, none at all, but why be so covert about it? This is why I mentioned the Hotel Lugansk in my previous post, if guys come here, looking for cheap sex, however low quailty, they can just book a room at the local saloon and there you go, completely by-passing the middle man, you, samy and friends.
And I also think it's a bad idea for My Cousin Vinny to choke his chicken in front of another guy, I don't know, maybe I am wrong here, I just don't think it's something I would ever do. And, I don't understand why My Cousin Vinny would travel all this way to Lugansk, just to bang a big, fat, ugly chick, who was sporting a handle-bar 'stache. Again, maybe it's just me. And one more thing, if Marisa Tomei or Ralph Macchio come to Lugansk, I hope things turn out better than what took place with My Cousin Vinny.
Curiser, I think your comments are totally right on. When I read reports of this ecomeny growing at rates of 4 to 6 percent, I say to myself, I just don't see it; but more importantly, Ukrainians don't see it either. I think these economic growth rates may be fudged just a little. In my city I think the middle wage is like 140 dollars monthly, and wages are very stagnet. I just don't see how some (most) people make ends meet here.
Fido, I don't know where you got the impression that I'm an elderly guy, unless you count 46 yrs as being elderly, don't know. I ve said many times that a forgien guy here who has a little money to spend can date beautiful girls, I ve dated some very attractive girls here, haven't had sex with all of them, or even most of them, but it's no problem to date an attractive girl, And I'm not a stud, or anything like that; well, at 181 cm, 100 K's, (solid muscel) with a 36 inch waist, OK, I guess I am a stud, :), The only way I can think of finding a girl to sponsor is to live here, I know of no other way.
Synombinky
01-15-07, 07:57
I'm not here to promote other sites, but I'm posting what I thought Vince meant by "the famous Ukrainian moustache". Sorry for the misunderstanding - here's some nice moustaches! LOL!
http://www.spearmint.nosorog.com.ua/gallery_1.php
http://www.spearmint.nosorog.com.ua/gallery_2.php
http://www.spearmint.nosorog.com.ua/gallery_3.php
http://www.spearmint.nosorog.com.ua/gallery_4.php
I'm willing to give each and every one of these girls a personal lesson on how to cut down those "moustaches"! ;-) Keep up the bad work, fellas!
Binky
Texas Ukraine
01-15-07, 22:45
Hey Timmy21,
I would have to disagree with some of your comments here. Firstly I feel you are not a monger and are not into the monger lifestyle. Would you ever wait for someone in a sauna for 2 hours while a total stranger you just met is doing his thing! Surelyfor free. I know I wouldnt. The basic courtesy is to atleast pay for the drinks of the person who is waiting for you, cuz this person has taken out time just for you and is sitting and waiting for you so he can take you home safely. I would also like to add everyone has their own fetishes, some people do like old fat women (granny sex), trust me people can like the weirdest things, and by the way would you waste 5-6 hours basically your whole evening trying to look for a granny for someone and not charge him. Its me but I feel its very easy to give an advice on a forum but very difficult to actually go out of your way and help someone, everyday 7-8 hours a day, taking him around, finding him hookers and inviting him into your home (and we are talking about a total stranger here). Well these are just some of my views. PS- I am a 27 year old man from Texas based here in ukraine. And I feel women here are the easiest with money or without money. All you need is a sense of humor, a bit of charm and a bottle of wine and you can get laid within 2 dates and if you don't have that what you need is money.
Street Sleuth
01-16-07, 08:53
I will add my few comments on this American in Lugansk versus V.V.:
For all I know, V.V. could indeed be a total nutcase - I haven't met him, so I couldn't really say. Maybe he did spontaneously masturbate in front of other men (though one has to be really dubious of this...). But this is all beside the point.
What is clear, I think, is that the American in Lugansk, and his friends, do look towards travelling mongers as a sort of side business - nothing formal, but a way to make a few extra dollars, and get some free nights on the town. That, in theory, is not a problem - the issue is the way they are going about it, which appears to be somewhat underhanded.
Yes, there is a certain protocal to buying drinks (although I can say, through experience, that this custom varies significantly between Americans and Europeans). But the idea that someone expects drinks to be paid is another story - that they further expect to be paid for waiting time, even further on the road to 'consultant for hire'.
I have been to Lugansk - it is a lousy city to go to if you don't have any local contacts to show you around - everything is spread out (far from center), and a lot of girls won't be hanging out at clubs unless they've been invited (they don't have the cash) - basically, locals (Americans or otherwise) could be of great assistance in meeting women
Point being - services of locals would be most welcome, and I think I speak for many mongers that they would be open to the idea of paying for a local's assistance in being shown around - but if they expect any sort of payment, this just needs to be made clear from the start, i.e., "I'll show you around, set you up with women of your choice, a place to stay, etc, for x dollars...".
What part of Texas are you from? The Jordianian part? ;)
And no, I wouldn't wait for anyone while they are having sex, paid or not.
Street Sleuth
01-16-07, 16:21
Cruiser D - generally I would agree with you, Ukraine, outside of Kiev, is pretty poor - but there are a few other exceptions. Odessa is most noticeable....also lots of construction going on there (logical or not, you be the judge).
As for oil - what does Ukraine need oil for, when they have rich Russian investors that made their money off oil building and buying Ukrainian bubble-real-estate?
Once you leave Kiev Center the Ukraine goes to crap in a hurry.
I just picked up the recent issue of the Ukrainian Observer in Kiev. They had this fluff piece about how the Ukraine is not a poor country - saying only 14% of the people live below the poverty index because the other 86% can afford to buy bread to eat every month, so that means everything is A-OK. Sure there is a lot of construction going on in Kiev. But there is a noticable lack of any construction going on in any other city in the Ukraine. The whole economy is nothing more then smoke and mirrors. Much like the Russia boom and bust in the 90's. I hope the Ukrainians find oil to save them like the Russians did.
I was thinking about mention Odessa, but really didn't see the point. It's a exception in of itself.
The only thing propelling the Ukrainian economy is graft and corruption. The same thing that happened in Russia in the 90's - we all know how well that ended. Ukraine's savior is supposed to be Russians dumping money into the peaked out real estate market in Kiev? Sounds like a sound economic plan to me. Sure the Ukraine isn't sub shara africa dirt poor. But I don't think Odessa is going to surplanting the French Riveria anytime soon.
But I digress. People get so bored and start throwing rocks at me when I talk politics and economics.
Street Sleuth
01-16-07, 21:07
No, no, no, you've got it all wrong - its Russians dumping money into the peaked out real estate market in Kiev AND Odessa!
Don't worry, we've got to keep ourselves busy between hoes, might as well spend it pontificating about politics and economics of former USSR.
For example - I'm in Kishinev right now. I was just quoted $100 for 2 hours with what would likely be a '5' out of '10' (hadn't seen her photo, but I've seen the quality in these parts.). I passed. And if you think Ukraine doesn't have much going for it, take a trip across the border to Moldova - here, they look at Ukraine as a great economic powerhouse!
Texas Ukraine
01-17-07, 19:41
What part of Texas are you from? The Jordianian part?Cruiser I am from Austin. And by the way if you were trying to have a go at my ethinicity I am not Jordanian(its Jordanian not Jordianian) ;). I dont know where you come from but in America every person is American regardless of their ethinicity.
Not that it matters, but was you born in Austin, or are you from Austin? I am from a lot of places, but I was born in New England. The humbled masses and politically correct game doesn't work with me.
Having a screen name like Texas Ukraine and saying you are from Texas conjures up a lot of images that I am guessing don't quite fit you. For example, I am assuming you are a student in Lugansk. Just about any accredited community college in the US is a step or two above any university you might attend in Lugansk. However I do know that a lot of umm, bad or challenged students from the Middle East that like to go to school in the Ukraine.
Street -
Yes, the oil happy Russians drove the Kiev and Odessa prices up, but the question is to what end? And what happens when the bubble pops. Anyone think the bottom is going to fall out of the petrol market soon. Or do we think the good times are going to last forever? $100 for 2 hours with a 5 in the sticks is some kind of joke, right? If you aren't a total tool (not meaning you in particular) you can still get 2 hours with an 8 in Kiev for $100.
Street Sleuth
01-18-07, 18:05
$100 for 2 hours with a '5' in the stix a joke? Try $100 for 2 hours with a '3'! On the bright side, I am saving lots of money!
Details of that one can be found on the Moldova board, but don't rush to read it. Just don't make too much of an effort to go to Kishinev.
I tried to short oil when it was up around $70 - oddly enough, there's no readily easy/liquid way for small traders to buy/short oil - at least not that I could find. All the talk now is how oil has 'dropped' so far. I think it has further to go down, and won't shoot back up for awhile - its a vicious circle - high oil depresses industrialized economies, which in turn sours demand for oil.
As for real-estate in Eastern Europe - all the wealth in these parts either is snaked off to Western Europe, or is stashed in real-estate. Nobody trusts the banks. End result - real-estate bubble may not burst hrere, but for us Western investors, who settle for nothing less than a positive return-on-equity, its a market to avoid.
Yo! Vinnie!
I have been here for more than 12 years. In that time, I have met and bedded many ladies. None, and I emphasize "none," NOT ONE have had that strange and mysterious "mustache" that you keep referring to. Maybe it is what you want from the old ladies. Most if not all women when they get very old tend to grow more facial hair as they lose hormones.
The ladies I have had the pleasure of their company have run the range from just OK to overwhelmingly stunning. It takes only some effort and some intelligence to accomplish the goal we all want here. It seems, though, Vinnie, that you can't seem to get it.
To all you guys in Lugansk, Texas Ukraine, American Ukraine and all you other, maybe, guys...
I am not sure why you guys are there at that particular medical school, especially if you claim to be Americans. There are only two medical schools even remotely accredited by the US that might even allow you to take any medical boards when you get back, one in Odessa, the other in Lvov. The Lugansk one is really only for anyone who then intends to head for the Middle East and not the wild, wild west of Texas or any place near there!
Bez Bezarra
01-21-07, 01:46
Honestly speaking, the nauseating details of Voyeur's visit combined with
the ethics of sauna taxis and oblast economic stagnation has driven this thread to the depths of monger oblivion.
For the sake of every soul dead or living, I propose these 3 topics be
banned for 40 days and 40 nights, to give enough time for Moses to
find his way out the desert of despair this discussion has needlessly
spewed upon the membership.
I myself volunteer to lift the seige of Lugans'k, like some *****s of
Babylon, or in this case, sluts of Krakow.
Doctor_Skank
01-21-07, 01:55
honestly speaking, the nauseating details of voyeur's visit combined with the
ethics of sauna taxis and oblast economic stagnation has driven this thread to the depths of monger oblivion.
for the sake of every soul dead or living, i propose these 3 topics be banned for 40 days and 40 nights, to give enough time for moses to find his way out
the desert of despair this discussion has needlessly spewed upon his people.
i myself volunteer to lift the seige of lugans'k, like some *****s of babylon
or in this case sluts of kishinev.
i for one thought the whole vincenzo goes bananas in lugansk was one of the most entertaining things i've read in a long, long time.
the sordid details... old women and mustasched girls, arabs watching [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) porn in the back room, a masturbating french sailor and poor girls that just want to get laid and get scared off by an offer of money... it's the work of hollywood's worst b-movie script writers... fun for the whole isg family...
..but yeah, tits and ass are better.
Bez Bezarra
01-21-07, 02:17
Yeah, well.....
You just wait until I get back from Chelyabinsk!
Doctor_Skank
01-21-07, 02:49
All this talk of Lugansk vs. Kiev, Kiev vs. Moscow, Moscow vs. Odessa and Moldova vs. Itself reminds me that I really don't care where I am. El Dorado is your bed with the right girl.
Enjoy Chelyabinsk, I'm an Omsk man myself... :)
Gentlemen!
Chelyabinsk? Omsk? Krakow?
This is the Ukraine forum. There is only one way to make sure you can safely and surely reach the correct country and city.
Take a look at the best GPS unit you can buy here in Kiev. Works better than anything this side of Vladivostok! Once the battery-operated unit has functioned as designed, you can take over and complete the servicing using piston drive.
Bez Bezarra
01-21-07, 15:38
Gentlemen!
This is the Ukraine safe and sure correct GPS unit.
Works better inside of you as designed, you can take over a clit.
Here's different version of your IOD shaft
Improvised Orgasm Device, here its operated by
little roadside bombette, drafted into full service by
mamachka for 100 hrivna stipend.
Eager to demonstrate her knowledge of the inner schematics
of her orifice, she lubed the sucker and crammed it up her canal
with no signs of battle fatigue. What a trooper!
Hi Prosal,
I don't really know the scene during the night.
You can find prostitutes in Symskaia on the main street during the night, but what I see one night wasn't so good.
I was one night at the disco of Mir hotel. The name of the disco is Gold LIon. One old prostitute came to me and tried to stay at the bar with me, but I said that I was busy....Later I saw a young one, quite good, but I didn't really feel like having sex at that time.
I didn't really go out at night time, as I had to wake up quite early and I had a girlfriend to be with me during the weekend.
The only thing I really tried, was to go to the apartment during the afternoon.
There is a strip club at Luxemburg ulitsa, that's near Sovietskaia metro. The name is Flash Dancer.
I don't know if there is a disco like River Palace in Kiev.Volpone,
I have news for you about Kharkov.
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Hi, guys
I'm new in here and I swear I have nothing to say but the truth
This guy vince was a real bad experience for my friend samy because samy helped him alot in this city but see what he got from vince.
I've met Vince 2 or 3 times and I noticed that he is not normal human being because first of all he looks stupid and the second thing he has mentaly problems.
Guys believe me I'm not saying this because samy is my friend, but I'm saying this to let you know the truth.
Vince came to Lugansk on the 29th of December 2006
The first when he came he saw the apartments and he liked it, but he was saying its expensive but it wasn't, believe me guys he was payin 20E per day and it was in the center and and its very secured area, samy didn't want to get him cheaper because they are far from the center and they are dengarous areas
Anywayz he took it and he was happy with it but I don't every time he was comin to visit me and samy we used to feed him like a Dog, he used to use our laptops also for llong time and it was okay for us.
But still he screwed our reputation and befor this guy samy helped many people, but why none of them complained, you see how vince is not normal.
And by the way we wanted to get him girls for free but he didn't want to come out imagine such a loser.
Vince came to ukraine with 1000 Euro imagine what can this money do in this country, this's to show you guys that this guy is cheap trust me, and I worn any people who is thinking to help this guy.
And guys sorry for everything.
And imagine guys vince v' never take shower after having sex, I think he hates being clean, thats why the house was stinking when vince was living here and trust me all the girls who came here they ran away of course not because of the house but because vince made thing dirty in here.
Thanks for reading my report.Lucky me that I never meet in Ukraine this guy. Anyway it's full of guys like Vince in Eastern Europe.
Bez Bezarra
01-22-07, 04:23
I have news at Kharkov.
Important to you!
What's the new news?
Its cold? Dreary? Grimey?
Escorts are all ugly now?
But even greedier than before?
Bez Bezarra
01-24-07, 02:27
All this talk reminds me that I am El Dorado,
an Omsk man myself :)
She's looking pretty fuckin' hot.
Doctor_Skank
01-24-07, 08:50
She's looking pretty fuckin' hot.Yeah, and she's a gentle reminder that I've got my priorities all screwed up. All work and no play make Doc a very boring boy.
Time to get back to playing again.
Hi,
I have been in Krivoy Rog 2 times last year and it is the best place in Ukraine to score freebees, if you speak some russki:-)
Explorer69
02-07-07, 10:11
I will next weekend spend a couple of days in Nikolaev, visting some girls that I really don't know:)) I hope for the best:)), but how are the possibilities for p4p as a back up? Any bars or discos where to find WG in the weekend? Any mamasan? Escorts? Contacts?
Explorer69
02-12-07, 00:21
Nobody has any experience with WGs in Nikolaev? Where or how to find them?
Nistelrooy
02-15-07, 21:27
I would strongly recommend avoiding the following agencies (all are the same company):
1) www.mystay.org (they provide apartments in Denepropetrovsk);
2) Cindy's Agency or
3) Cinderalla Agency (both are marriage agencies)
I booked for in advance and paid for an apartment with mystay.org; They confirmed receipt of payment and guaranteeed the apartment since I already pre-paid. When I arrived in Dnepropetrovsk, they were a no show at the airport. I went directly to the office after taking a taxi from the airport and they said the apartment was unavailable and they had nothing else.
They claimed they would refund the deposit but never did. I have used apartment agencies in Kiev several times with no problems: Eastonhouse; Kievapartments4you.com but if you are going to get an apartment or looking for a marriage/dating service in Dnepropetrovsk, krivvy Rog, etc. I would avoid the above mentioned companies.
Met a couple of teenage girls from Sumy (here in NYC) last summer and I was thinking that I might try out the Ukraine for a first time. (Been thru Indonesia and the Philippines (five months) and I'm more into the finding a non-pro possibilities...) At first I was thinking that I might be heading into an unmark gold field, small university town off the beaten track, but then I popped up the Internet Web page "Girls of Sumy" as if everyone had been there and done that???
Any ideas, reports, suggestions?
It's always a risk going off the beaten path... sometimes you find a pleasant provincial town of girls who never made it to the big city (like Bacolod City on Negros) and sometimes you wish you hadn't wasted precious travel time on a bus or train away from civilization!
Thanx
g
GD, you won't be finding too many tourist in Sumy...
American Ukraine
02-19-07, 13:53
Geo Daddy,
Sumy is a very small city. Just one decent club in the whole city. Non pro action is a little less. For tourists.
But that's a "good" thing, isn't it? I mean less tourists, harder trip, more gesh por moi? At the very least you find some girl deseprate to get to the Big City on your way back to Kiev. I had a friend who did the Trans Siberian Railroad and said that he had women throwing themselves at him, to take 'em to Moscow (but he's a bit of a braggart, so I never gave that much credit.)
My personal motis apperendi has been to base myself in the Big City, Manila, Jakarat, Havana. Then scoure the provinces for fresh fish.
But I've never been to the Ukraine, or Eastern Europe (other than Hungary) so I'm wondering if this technique is a bit outta form - especially when you see a well designed Web Page that looks like you will be the latest patsy taken to the local ATM machine when you get off the bus/train.
G
I found province very rewarding but you need a lot of patience.
In cities with less than 200.000 inhabitants it gets very boring,there are very few girls to pick up and clubs contain companies with no way to separate the girls. Province can be full of surprises and the foreigner gets better treatment than in Kiev. However for somebody with plenty of money and few time to spend (for example only one weekend) Kiev is definitely better option.
American Ukraine
02-19-07, 22:01
Geo Daddy,
I would definately agree with you on that! Women from smaller ukranian cities, its a dream come true for the ladies here for somebody to take them to kiev for a weekend. I am a Lugansk City Resident. Lugansk is about 14 hours by road from Kiev. About 500, 000 people living here, and each time I go to kiev for some work. Women try to convince me and litrally beg me to take them there for a weekend. Its like a fantasy for them.
On the contrary, Sumi is very close city to kiev. Its a 3 hours drive. And although its a smaller city its richer than many other cities as its close to the capital, so people make regular trips kiev and are somehow in touch with tourists.
Street Sleuth
02-20-07, 00:44
Although it may seem like a paradise, going to the small, offbeat EE cities for short periods of time isn't highly advisable.
I say this not out of any danger - the worst you'll run into is someone steals a suitcase if you're not watching them...
I say this because finding girls in the small towns is difficult - you may find them out at clubs, but as was mentioned, they won't be alone (girls at clubs never are....). They won't mess around with a foreign guy, even if they want to, because everyone in town will know it, and hold it against her. Most girls will probably already have boyfriends, however lousy they may be, and won't risk cheating on them (as they might in the big cities).
Street Sleuth
02-20-07, 00:51
Perhaps an even bigger issue with the small towns is that they are, also as mentioned, boring.
During the off-times (when not scouting clubs/bars for girls), you won't likely find much to do. The key, then, would be to try and target a smallish town where there is also some other attraction beyond just women, so you don't totally waster your time :). You'd have to make an adventure out of the whole trip, to avoid dissapointment.
In EE, any town with a population of less than 600,000 is a small town - a town with a population of 500,000 will have the look and feel of a U.S. town with a population of 100,000....
Bez Bezarra
02-20-07, 02:56
By basing myself in the Big City, then scoure the provinces for fresh fish I Use this technique especially well.Well, its sounds ok, but you didn't give any time frame. How much time do you spend "scouring"?
You can forget about how big or small the size of any cities are, or how many hours away they are from Kiev, none of that makes a difference. The only thing that your success depends on is if you can speak russian.
There's enough nice girls willing to start something new with you, but only if you can carry on a normal conversation without any English. They are incredibly easy to talk to, but you gotta speak the language or you have no chance. That's the key.
GD,
Bez beat me to it, but once you travel outside of Kiev, Odessa and most places in Crimea in summertime, unless you have a mid-level knowledge of Russian and/or Ukrainian, forget about it. Your scoring average will likely be at or close to zero, even with the pros who will know even less English than regular ladies.
My recommendation for you is Colombia rather than Ukraine.
If you come here, stick to the major cities.
By the way, the same applies to Russia.
LifeSavour
02-20-07, 08:12
Well, its sounds ok, . They are incredibly easy to talk to, but you gotta speak the language or you have no chance. That's the key. Sorry to say your wrong! Now I am no 'hunk', well perhaps a hunk of something?
I am 50, have NO $, speak [Text deleted by Admin]"
And I do extremely well! Hop a bus and in 2, 5 hours Cherkassy! Meet with an 'internet' friend. Get my 'soviet flat'. Have some FUN! Then its off and about 'town' on my own to get some 'bearings'! I usually use the 'help me translate this sms' TRICK! Then my shining personality takes over, plus these little 'chicks' love the thought of 160 kilos of pure passion between their legs!
Next day we meet for lunch and a walk, Sasha is 26, little english, so of course WE need to use computer in flat to 'chat' and ask questions! Now I am a perfect gentleman and much slower at the 'goal' than most.
We agree to meet later, not for dinner but drinks in the 'slum bar' next to my flat! See, I told Sasha that I am interested in her. Not some fancy place she can take me! If its OK for me, then its OK for them OR they don't get me!
22: 07 and we are in the flat, on the computer. 22: 28 and she is melting from the kisses and touches. The rest is history!
Next weekend she is coming to Kyiv for two nights! Maybe forever, she is GF material!
LS Guy
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Excellent points.
I think the first mis-application I made is that - no matter how small the "city" in the Philippines (most places I went were under 10,000) there was always a "backup" plan, like Legazpi "City" was dead... but climbing Mayon was great. I don't think there is a lot to see in the Ukraine outside of the capitals. (Realing LP)
And - yes - small town girls must worry about small town minds. And they have to live there, so you aren't gonna get anyone who isn't deperate to jump w/o a net (which is why Siberia was a good place - everyone was DESPERATE to get out!) Can't say I met anyone other than the girl who signed up for Cherry Blossoms with Mom and Dad's (mostly Mom's) approval.
Funny, I wouldn't even think of wandering out of the city (or wandering much anywhere in Columbia) but I feel "safe" in the Ukraine. I guess that's because my bor' went there wife hunting last year and had no trouble - and he is the Ugliest of Ugly Americans ("Uh, is there a McDonald's around here?")
I have two weeks and no Russian. Sounds like it's Columbia.
G
LS,
Let me ask you a question.
If you did not have Sasha in Cherkassy, would you have boarded that bus?
Most guys should not come to the regions, which is anything outside of Kiev and Odessa/Crimea in the summertime, without knowing Russian/Ukrainian, at least the very basic levels. If anyone wants to come in on the fly and try their luck without a local contact, then they must be able to communicate not just with the ladies but in most, if not all, normal situations such as cabs, eating, directions, whatever.
Most locals outside of Kiev will look at you like you were an extraterrestrial if you speak anything other than Russian or Ukrainian. They will try to help but you don't want to waste your time, money and energies on such things.
Good decision, GD.
Bez Bezarra
02-22-07, 05:18
Sorry your wrong!
I am 50, and my personality of 160 kilos of ass!
Sasha is 26, little english, so of course I told Sasha that I am interesting
and the rest is history she is my forever GF!I wouldn't go anywhere to meet just one dyevochka, and you could never catch me with one over 24.
Anyway, so thanks really, so much for pointing out my error :D
LifeSavour
02-22-07, 07:27
LS,
Let me ask you a question.
If you did not have Sasha in Cherkassy, would you have boarded that bus?
Good decision, GD. It was not Sasha that I went to meet, it was another! And NO. I don't think anyone would!
LS,
Most guys should not come to the regions, which is anything outside of Kiev and Odessa/Crimea in the summertime, without knowing Russian/Ukrainian, at least the very basic levels. If anyone wants to come in on the fly and try their luck without a local contact, then they must be able to communicate not just with the ladies but in most, if not all, normal situations such as cabs, eating, directions, whatever.
Good decision, GD. I don't agree! Perhaps it is a confidence thing! My size? My personality? But seriously. I do absolutely ok in all cities / towns / villages / dachas! If you go into any situation feeling "you don't belong". "won't fit in". Scared. These 'folks' will eat you alive! Grils too! Many on this site know me, have met me. And know I don't bs! I have been coming to ukraine since 2000. Lived here 2 different times. Now since 2004. And I know little of the language! So my point is, try it! Everyone is different and everyone will have different levels of success!
LS,
Most locals outside of Kiev will look at you like you were an extraterrestrial if you speak anything other than Russian or Ukrainian. They will try to help but you don't want to waste your time, money and energies on such things.
Good decision, GD. Yeah, and I love the attention! Celebrity! Rock star! Sign 'autographs'!
Maybe I am an extraterrestrial celebrity. I have taught english to 3 girls in a somewhat famous singing group, performed in a music video, did a tv commercial for nemirof vodka, oh yeah. Ya know tina karols song where it begins. ". Everybody ready. " guess who's voice?
LS Guy
Street Sleuth
02-22-07, 16:37
Bez,
Yes, Ukraine, and EE in general, are quite safe, compared to the US or South America.
In EE, they silently rob you without you seeing or hearing anything.
In South America, they club you over the head, and take your wallet.
In the U.S., they just club you over the head. They don't steel anything, as their welfare checks are sufficient - the head-clubbing is strictly out of boredom.
American Ukraine
02-22-07, 23:32
Geo Daddy. Friendly Advice
First off. If you coming here (Ukraine) for hookerz you don't need to know any russian at all. Money talks pal. And it any speaks any language you want it to.
If you coming here to find a wife I do agree you need russian to an extent.
I speak, read and write russian fluently. Did an advance course in russian and been here for a few years. But back when I didn't speak any russian I use to get women its not like I was holdin' my thing and sittin back till I learned some ruski.
If you want english speaking girls. For marriage. Or for free sex. My advice hangout at a university campus which has an english faculty for 2 hours everyday. Every city in ukraine has a university with an english faculty. And act like you are lost. And try to talk to women there. Tell them you are new. And came to check out how the university looks like. Need friends. Make up a story. Majority of university students speak english fluently. Take it from there ask them for their number and a date.
Trust me you will come out with atleast 2 dates in a day!
This technique is tried and tested and is 100% full proof! . You just need to add same game to it.
Hope it works.
P.S. Don't even go close to any marriage agencies. They are just a waste of time and money
American_Ukraine
Lugansk
Skane Henrik
03-02-07, 18:41
Hello Boys,
I am planning to go to Lviv, Lvov for a week. Or maybe less maybe more, after that I will go to Odessa. In the Ukraine I will travel by trains. Have anyone been in Lviv? It seems to be a big city, although it might have a provinsial touch. I have been writing some girls in Rambler.ru, those who offered "intim for money" seem to belong to the same club, agency. I have been offered the prices.
- 1 hour 40 y.e (question is it $ or Euro, I guess the latter,...)
- 3 hours 100 $
All was my place.
I am planning to rent an appertment.
I will there in late March. I speak a little Russian. I will give you a report after the trip. Is there anyone who is planning to be in Lviv, let me.
American Ukraine
03-03-07, 13:29
Lviv. Lvov in Russian. Is a rich city compared to Ukranian standards. Russian will not help you there. If you take my advice don't even try to speak russian there. People are nationalist. And only speak in Ukranian or Polish. Last time I was there I tried speaking in russian although all of them speak Russian but nobody would reply me in russian. Only in Ukranian.
Street Sleuth
03-03-07, 17:23
y.e does stand for euro, 40e would be what $60.
Average prices if the girls are good looking.
Not so sure about that - I at first thought the same thing, but y.e. just stands for 'foreign currency', or something like that - it very often means 'dollars'.
If in doubt, start with the assumption that its dollars (cheaper) - if they want euros, they'll let you know....
But like I said, I've ran into the price quote of y.e. many times, and its always meant dollars.
y. e. is translated from the Russian as "agreed-upon units".
Until the advent of the Euro, its real meaning was dollars.
Now, with the Euro, it can be used to mean EITHER dollars OR Euros.
It now becomes a negotiation with the seller. Many locals now try to set it to the Euro value since that obviously benefits them.
If you are European, it will almost always mean Euros. If you are an American, you can negotiate the lower dollar value, but not always.
What most often works is if you say you have dollars only and make a "take it or leave it" offer. They almost always take it. Just make sure you have those dollars.
Texas Ukraine
03-10-07, 19:16
Hello,
Soon I go to Dnipropetrovsk or Kharkov.
Which is the best place?
You now same local like river place in kiev in this 2 city?
Thanks a lotKharkov is a bigger city than Dnipropetrovsk and I feel in many ways more modern too,but Dnipropetrovsk on the other hand lies on the Dnieper River and is the third largest city in ukraine. I personally feel there is no city in Ukraine which can be compared to Kiev.So if you walk into a city expecting it to be like kiev, you will be disappointed. I personally prefer Kharkov though.
Texas,
You can suggest me same place where find semipro in Kharkov or Dnipropetrovksk?
Thanks
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