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Bez Bezarra

03-26-07, 00:48

About Kharkov nobody help me?There doesn't seem to be much p4p scene in Kharkov. The one main agency in town is useless. They kept telling me they did have one hottie who was really busy with calls, and after 5 fucking hours of waiting, she finally showed up at 3:00 a.m., and she was no better than a 5/10. I told her to go away and she cursed me.

Things were more interesting before. In 2000, 2 Syrian guys from Charly's and a security guy from the National Hotel made some calls for me and had several cars meet us with 2 or 3 dyevs in each car to make a selection, but I believe those days are now in the past. The syrains were so spooked they were convinced I was KGB because my english was too good.

Now I can't explain why its changed. Tried going to a couple of different addresses from the papers that offered dyevs who would not come to me, so the only choice was to go to them. The quality was poor. I took a chance on one, but after her clothes came off, I almost ran out the door.

Sure there's plenty of ladies, and pretty ones, but they're not speaking any angliski. Just like anywhere, you gotta take them out a couple of times to get them in bed, and if you can't speak their language, how are you gonna do that? You won't see any hot looking dyevs in cafe's or clubs sitting around alone, they're always with guys or other girls. So again, if you're speaking ruski and try to start something up, its certainly possible to do that, but if you don't, good results aren't likely. You better be able score easily anywhere if you think you'll be able to do it here.

There's really no place where pro's congregate, so you can't just walk up to a stranger and offer money. The streetwalkers are all junkies or old hags. There's one very small seedy strip club downtown, the prices are ridiculous, and I'm not sure that the dancers can be taken out anyway. It might be possible that they would give you a number to meet them the next day, but I didn't try.

The only website escort agency in English has a disconnected telephone number and an e-mail that won't accept, and there was one in Russian that is not up anymore. Even when it was working, calling every number did not produce any positive results either.

The Kharkov dyevs are friendly, but they're not impressed with foreigners.

Sultano

03-26-07, 12:15

Okay thanks.

So maybe is better Dnepropetrovsk?

Bez Bezarra

03-26-07, 23:39

Or did you read post #507?

Sultano

03-27-07, 18:55

Yes I read.

Anyone can suggest me someactually. Good place por fick up women semi pro-orpro? Some nightclub (and prices)sauna or newspaper?

Thanks a lot

Texas Ukraine

03-28-07, 19:37

Sultano,

I would also say Kharkov is a bit diffuclt. In my personal opinion when it comes to cities like Dniper it also gets a bit difficult because as stated in the posts earlier it was closed for foreigners till the 1990's and women over there are less used to foreigners, i feel they might be initially intrigued..they are generaly scared and you might get a conversation out of them but sex would be a little harder.Plus due to the lack of foreigners i also feel they are not every many escort agencies as such.I personally would advice you cities where there are quite a few foreigners as women have generally gotten used to seeing foreign men and are more comfortable.In my opinion Kiev , Odessa, Donetsk or Lugansk would be a better choice. I personally live in Lugansk and have been to the other 3 cities quite a few times and i have to say they are great for some semipro action.

Hope this helps

Sultano

03-28-07, 23:25

Ok I understood. Thanks. So what you can suggest me in donetsk and in lugansk. I plain to vist ukraine but I'm not very sure wich city I can choose. I just saw kiev and kharkov, I would liek to see new city. So maybe if you now some info about donetsk let me know.

Thanks a lot

Cruiser D

04-01-07, 00:54

Sultano, if you want some information about Kharkov doing a search of it in this forum. I posted some information about it when I was there last winter.

Irish Lad

04-01-07, 16:26

Hello all,

I feel people are finding Kharkov a tough market so here's Natalies profile.

Great tits and open to anything. 3 somes, group sex. Try it all.

http://www.singles.ru/anketa.phtml?oid=82719126

$30 an hour and not an agency. I challenge any foreigner to better that!

Doctor_Skank

04-02-07, 07:52

Excess

04-02-07, 08:56

Irish Lad,

Did you read her self-description? She claims to have won the title "Miss Tits Kharkov".

Nice. :)

How refreshing to read about someone who is sure of and lays out her many talents. Anyone going to be in Kharkov and at loose ends who might be able to conduct a "truth in advertising' evaluation ?

G Schyman

04-02-07, 13:11

I agree with Bez. I have been to Dnipro 4 times for work and it is easy to get a freebie there. If you want to go to western standard restaurants (like reporter) the prices are the same as in western Europe. But if you stick to local standard places the price level is cheaper than Kiev. If you have a car there are also a lot of working girls next to the highway between Dnipro-Kiev and on local streets. Just look and you will find them. Didn't try as I have a part time girlfriend in Dnipro.

Best regards

GS

Captain Fire

04-02-07, 17:56

Well, back in Vinnitsa again. Had used several phone numbers before but wasn't sure if they would work. Two were out of date, but third number worked magic. It was 2 PM, called and asked the lady in Russian for a Devetshka for afternoon. I was told " she will be there in 15 mins" I waited outside my flat, and inside 15 mins, up pulls a taxi and a lady, about 23 to 25 steps out. She greets me, takes my arm and we go up[stairs. There we negotiate, she says 180gh about $35 for afternoon. I tell her fine, put $40 on the coffee table and away we go. She strips slowly and what a set of tits. Probably some of the best I have ever seen. About 38 c, very firm but definitely real. Her nips perked right up and she finished stripping, then stripped me. Pussy was nicely shaved, just a small landing strip up the front. She laid me back on the couch and started to suck me, very energetic, she would take me completely in and down her throat. All bareback, no objection at all. I started to finger her and she was already very wet, started to squirm and buck. I stood up and laid her down and went down on her. Maybe in Ukraine this is not done to the ladies a lot, but I have found that this definitely is very well received. She went especially wild when I fingered her ass as I ate her. She definitely came twice, or at least is a very good actress. I took out a condom and she slipped it on, I laid her back and put her legs over my shoulders and started in. Pretty sure she came again before I did. We rested a bit, then she brought me back to attention with a good BJ, then took her doggy style. She wouldn't go for anal, but liked being fingered. Finished off for the second time and we relaxed. She left soon thereafter, but left me her mobile number. Total time, about 3 hours. Gave her $40
Overall rating
looks 7
Body 8
Enthusiasm 8
Anybody would like contact, PM me here
Shes worth it and then some. She also says she has lots of friends who do this part time and are eager to make a little extra cash

Sultano

04-02-07, 18:28

G Schyman,

You can suggest me some good place in Dnipropetrovsk? Some nightclub with normal place (not highter). Same sauna? Place there I can found semipro or pro?

Thanks a lot.

Tom73

04-02-07, 20:23

Hi,

I'm going to Kharkov and Vinnitsa.

Fire Captain,

Can you send me contact info?

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Captain Fire

04-03-07, 08:07

Doctor_Skank

04-03-07, 08:54

Anyone wanting info on Vinnitsa, PM me and I will send to you. So far, I have found some very good sport here. One thing I wanted to ask on this forum, and it may seem strange. I have found that many Deyvas like doggy style, in fact, offer it the first time. I had one girl, after we had had some play, beckon me over to balcony rail, bent over, and took me into her hand and slipped me into her from behind. She went wild the harder I hammered into her. This has been repeated in different aspects several times, sometimes in the morning, Deyva will push her butt back against me and urge me into her from behind. Not that many interested in Anal, although after some playing, many will try it.
Has anyone noticed this in their experiences, or is my imagination running amok?

You aren't imaging it.

In my opinion they most prefer:

* doggy
* missionary but with their legs spread really wide or on your shoulders
* cowgirl

Generally speaking, they like it a bit rough, fast and hard. Some ass slapping and choking usually goes over pretty well too.

Haven't found too many that like flowery princess sex.

I once asked Nastya:

"Nastya, do you like to fuck?"

And she said:

"No, I like to BE fucked."

That pretty much sums it up.

G Schyman

04-03-07, 13:06

Hello

A good place is the bowling/nightclub at Hotel Dnipropetrovsk on the Lenin Embankment. Book in advance to be able to play bowling because it is very popular but very expensive. Beers are reasonable though. Also all clubs/bars around Karla Marxa are good. To get good pros the bar at Grand Hotel Ukraine is also good. I did not experience any hassles as I was there but I was always with Russian/Ukrainian friends.

If you are on a budget I would suggest renting an apartment close to Karla Marxa (around USD 50 per night) and stay at the less fancy looking bars there. It is easy to get contact with local girls. It is almost required that you speak at least rudimentary Russian/Ukrainian to have a realistic chance of scoring a freebie.

GS

G Schyman,

You can suggest me some good place in Dnipropetrovsk? Some nightclub with normal place (not highter). Same sauna? Place there I can found semipro or pro?

Thanks a lot.

Irish Lad

04-03-07, 14:38

Hello,

Yes, I did read her "advertisement" and she does have great tits. She's very proud of them. She speaks good English too.

I had double booked (2+2 girls) as is essential to do in Ukraine and lo and behold all 4 turned up so my mate fucked her but sent her not so pretty sister home and all 5 of us went back to the apartment. Group sex was available but my 2 girls didn't "click" with her.

Street Sleuth

04-05-07, 01:52

Had to chime in with the whole positions issue.

In my humble experience, girls get off most readily with cowgirl and doggy-style - also, with missionary, the faster the better. I agree that few girls are really in to flowery sex - you may have to take it slow and easy to get them into the mood, but to get them off, it takes a fast (and somewhat rough) pace.

Personally, as the guy, I don't like doggy-style - especially when the girl wants fast pace....I get worn out quickly that way...what can I say, I'm lazy.

Cowgirl - now that I can do! There is just nothing I enjoy more than lying back as a girl grinds away on top of me.

Hecker

04-08-07, 10:33

I decided to make a trip split into four days in Dnipro and three days in a city of West Ukraine as to have the opportunity to compare situation between both parts of the country.

In the four days in Dnipro I got four girlfriends, of who neither slept with me. Everyone said they needed more time and girls in Dnipro do not fall to bed quickly. Only one came with me to the hotel but in the end she refused to enter the room.

This time I decided to date only model-looking girls with height over 1. 80. Everyone of the four girls was young and had this height. 2 of them I met through internet and two in discos. I chose Dnipro becase I found a relatively high response to internet dating, let us say 30% of girls I wrote answered back and gave their phone numbers.

Some general observations about Dnipropetrofsk.

1. The city is not attractive, rather Stalin style buildings, monuments etc. In the night it looks better.

2. Service is very bad everywhere, in hotels, taxis, restaurants, nobody gives attention, they do not help, without Russian there can arise many problems. The mentality probably has not changed much from soviet times.

3. It is possible to get ripped off but in lesser extent than in Kiev. In general many things reminded me of Kiev except from the lower prices.

4. Hotel rooms in renovated Breznief-era hotels cost between 35-50$.

Regading the girls

1. Quality much lower than in Kiev. First impression was very negative but after a while I found out places with great proportion of hot babes like big shopping centers, central clubs etc. Anyway the gilrs who walk on the streets unaccompanied are not something special.

2. Attitude of girls. They try to gain control, talk much and try to create the impression summarized in something like, I am a serious girl who needs time to develop the feeling to sleep with you and if you are serious and have feelings towards me, you should buy me a nice present since every decent relationship here starts with a present.

3. This explains in part the eagerness they show meeting a foreigner since in their culture he will probably have to buy them a present without raising any further demands.

4. Behaviour of girls is a bit eccentric but they do not show rudeness or bad attitude like girls in Kiev.

5. Discos. Stunning beauties can be found in disco Labyrinth, the perfect place for picking-up. There are 5 separate rooms with tons of extremely good looking slavic gilrs, so you can hit as many as you want without the others in next rooms seeing what you do. Quantity and quality of girls in Labyrinth surpasses by far any other disco. I went there two times and each one I ended with a statosteque beauty in my lap. The one of them was married and told me she wanted to divorce and settle with me. She reached this decision in the disco.

In general I reached the conclusion Dnirpo is a good choice for somebody who lives in Ukraine or comes to it often. He has to speak some Russian since most girls do not speak english. (neither of the four I met spoke).

Girls are interested only in money since they make about 200$ on average which are not enough to buy the fabulous things they see in shopping centers. So if a foreigner is on a good budget, many are ready to join him. They are not desperate for foreigners since they do not want to leave their country (their plain ambition is to work in a place like like Kiev where wages are higher). They are very open to approach in internet and discos.

There is some racism, (one guy came and started choking me in a club because I spoke with a very beautiful girl, so I had to explain to him that I do not come from Middle East or Turkey. When he realized that, he left).

So if you are ready to put up with some certain discomfort due to lack of any service or client-oriented mentality and do not mind spending some money on presents, you may find Dnipropetrofsk a fascinating experience dating a bunch of different young, hot beauties everyday.

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Bez Bezarra

04-09-07, 06:15

In four days in Dnipro I got four girlfriends, of who neither slept with me.

Its a good report Heck, but if you really could not get laid in Dnipro, then you
wasted your time, or didn't invest enough. Yes of course many girls will not go to bed for me also. Just keep trying until you succeed.

Hecker

04-09-07, 11:16

After Dnipro I arrived in a city of West Ukraine to stay for three days. In this city I had experienced fabulous things in the past like one-night stands, offers for threesomes. I even had met a gorgeous girl in the street and drove her to hotel room after 5 minutes. Last year travelling in train I had met a girl who I fingered right there in the train and when we finally arrived to railway station she offered to join me in the hotel. All this had not cost me anything. The description of what I had been able to do there is beyond imagination.

So I visited this city again with recent Dnipro experience in mind just to compare opportunities in both cities.

Although I had a lot of internet contacts who had given me certain promises and with some of whom I had already slept, they just did not appear this time. This was an unpleasant surprise.

So I started street pick-up and after one hour I was hand in hand with a gorgeous blond. She showed me the city and then we started hot kissing. I could not believe she did not want any presents or any financial help. I was glad I had left the East behind.

These are my observations regarding the West.

1. The cities look much more beautiful, they are built in austrohungarian style, remind of central Europe and architecture is very attractive making walking a pleasure unlike situation in east Ukraine.

2. People are far more honest, helpful and behave much more like europeans than their collegues in the East. The difference is rampant in everything and service is by far better in the West.

3. Mentality is european as well although wages are low, lower than east.

This has certain effects on girls behaviour.

1. They are more honest, romantic, do not ask for presents. They basically look for somebody they can rely on and try to show their best qualities.

2. They have the desire to leave the country since there are very few opportunities for a decent career where they live.

3. They are cultured, know and repect different cultures.

4. In general they show a polish girl mentality (loyal, sensitive) but have much more positive attitude towards foreigners than polish girls.

5. They are ready to fall to bed quickly. I saw many of them in boyfriends' laps, kissing deep tongue in public and desire is evident in their eyes. Absolute difference to Dnipro coldness. In general they act like polish girls ni many aspects.

6. Appearance a lot better than east Ukraine. Many tall and very sweet and very easy-going. Of course in big polish cities like Krakow, Poznan proportion of hot, astonishing girls surpasses West Ukraine but the availability is greater in the latter.

I can write a lot about West and east differences. In fact the country is split into two totally different parts in terms of culture, religion, language and most important for mongers in terms of girls' appearance and behaviour. I found West to be more rewarding although in the East I enjoyed the company of stunning models, which could alternate everyday. In three days in the West I managed to get a gorgeous girl to hotel room (the one I met in first hour after arrival), I got a statosteque 1. 85 m girlfriend who I kissed with promises for further adventure and nearly banged a chick who wanted to bring to me her model-looking sister. In comparison in four days in the East I only managed to kiss four model-looking girls all of who wanted presents except from one.

On the other hand success in the disco was definetely higher in the East where I met an excellent-looking girl everytime I went and managed to get their numbers very easily. Success in West clubs was far more limited.

Internet contacts proved a lot more rewarding in the East, where all of them responded while in the West I managed to get a date only with one of them.

Street pick-up a lot better in the west and there are many reasons for that.

To sum up, if you are ready to spend some money on presents, prefer the relaxed easy atmosphere of clubs and the convenience of internet and want to date model-looking girls, East is a good choice. But if you are into wild street pick-up and want exotic, unlimited, unpredictable experience West proves much better.

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Saunter

04-09-07, 20:57

Hecker

Thanks for the wonderful and insightful reports comparing the Pro-Russian East and the Pro-European West (politically speaking) of Ukraine.

Just out of curiosity, could you name some cities and towns in western Ukraine which you have found to be fruitful over your past few adventures? It doesn't have to be in a list of best --> last, because it would really only be your own experience anyway. But just some names so we could have a better idea because the western part of the country is still quite a big area to cover.

Once again, thanks.

Hecker

04-09-07, 21:56

I hesitated to write names of cities where I have been sometimes and maybe somebody will recognize who I am by reading this forum.However I generally suggest cities with population over 200.000 because in the smaller ones there are lots of tights between inhabitants and approaching girls can be more difficult.So you understand somehow which cities I mean.

The fact is many people prefer simple,straight behaviour and maybe confused a little by europeanized style of girls.Maybe they think east Ukraine is better because the girls there act more simple and are more predictable.

However for quick results,not 100% guaranteed for everyone I suggest the West.Of course you must speak a little russian.this is taken for granted.

For long-term results maybe the east is better since more girls can be approached but you have to date them obviously sometimes and bey them some presents.They are more smooth in the East and probably they give the impression they are easier.However in the West they seem more horny if you know what I mean.

I have experience picking-up czech,slovak and polish girls and I can sense the difference in difficulty instantly.I know where to search and if a place has something to offer or not.In general American Ukraine suggestions about cheap places etc are right.I was able to get the same quality that he gets and in the same way he does.Every girl I banged in the West cost me average 20$ on cafe etc.One time I picked up a girl in the disco and she introduced me her friend and told me to kiss her after I had been kissing her.I fingered one girl in the dico while kissing the other.This might seem crazy but driving a girl you picked up on the street straight to your room by her suggestion ''I do not like cafes,I want to go to your hotel'' is more crazy and all these have happened.

In general if I stay 3 days in the West I always end up with one chick in the room.If I stay more days every 3 days I get another girl laid.This comes from calculations.In Kiev it is possible to do one-night stands but you have to spend a lot on direct as well as indirect expenses.In Kiev there is more convenince but you have to pay for it.
I also tried Kiev this time.I had met a girl 20 y.o.,188cm in disco last time who promised to sleep with me.However one day before my arrival she told me,in order to sleep with me you have to buy me a mobile phone.I agreed but when we met and she drove me to mobile store I remembered everything discussed in the forum abot that and told her.O.K. I will give you now half the money to buy it,then we will go to hotel and in the morning I will give you the rest.She answered no,I do not want money,you promised to me a mobile.I told her what if you get the mobile and leave.She told me I am no such girl.Then i told her kiss me.It is a simple test to find out if she really likes you.If she wanted to sleep with me she would not hesitate to kiss me in order to get the mobile.However she refused.She told me I will kiss you in hotel.At this point I realized the scam.I offered again to give her a few money,she became angrysaid paka and left.I wrote all this to understand a bit Kiev girls behaviour who you meet in clubs.I can write you more examples.

In general in Kiev the bargain is like this.

I am an open-minded girl who does not have restrains and likes free love.I find you attractive and I suppose you are rich enough to take me to beautiful place,buy me presents and be with me.I do not care if you have a girlfriend and what you do when we are not together.If you like,I will introduce you my friend and if you like her as well you may start a relationship with her too.

In east Ukraine is like this.

I am an attractive girl who likes life and wants to enjoy it.I want a serious person who can afford my financial needs,buy me nice presents and be a gentleman with me.If you are nice,I will become your girlfriend and when I know you better we may sleep together.

In the west is.

I am a serious girl who wants somebody to get me out of this place.I think you are the right man.I find you attractive and i will try to fulfill all your desires as not to lose you.Please kiss me.

I tried to describe common attitudes in different parts of the country,what the girls tell or mean in russian while you struggle to understand.

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Ash1001

04-10-07, 22:23

Thanks, Hecker, for that excellent report.

It's interesting how in the West - which is more European and Westward looking - the priority for girls is to get out. Whereas in the East, the "business end" of the country with local wealthy elites, the priority is to find a rich sponsor - but essentially stay put. Just like Moscow, where westerners or the west per se don't interest girls. They just want money :)

I've always felt that Kiev is a mixture of East and West, with attitudes to match. You get both types there.

Cruiser D

04-11-07, 10:33

Hecker, why are you mixing things up? Are you dating escorts or looking to pay your dates for sex? You sent mix signals and it seemed to result in the mixed results you got. When you behave in this fashion you open yourself up to a lot of scamming, which evidently you experienced.

I liked the way you handled the girl in Kiev. But you get negative points for being in that position in the first place.

Hecker

04-11-07, 10:50

I agree about Kiev. I had the same feeling. I met many things common found in Kiev girls' mentality when I was in the East (talk much, presents, little rude, individual) as well as spme things common in West (ready for quick action, not answer to calls or pretending not listening if not interested, false promises etc). There also positive things of East (easy approach in disco, internet) and West (white god factor) if in Kiev. In Kiev everything is possible. The main problem comes from exaggerated expenses. You have to spend about 200-250$ everyday just to have a good time while in povince 150$ gets you the company of 3 hotties and more everyday. There are many factors responsible for girls' behaviour towards foreigners. Some of them regard simply attitude towards men regardless if foreigner or native. Others have to do with the way they view foreigners. For examle I noticed that girls in dnipro behaved to the local boyfriends in the same way they behaved towards me. They also did not let them kiss or tough too much in public. The opposite behaviour was evident in the West. I had the feeling I was in Poland where you may see in discos dozens of pairs next to each other hot kissing.

As for the way they view foreigners. In the West most girls have relatives who work in european countries and as a result they have a very positive view of abroad countries as wealthy, offering lots of opportunities, better life etc. On the other hand girls in the East have only experienced resorts in Bulgaria and Turkey which did not lead them to get a very positive impression of abroad. Some oftheir relatives may work in Russia, not in the West and they know that opportunities are limited and persons actually wealthy are uncommon everywhere.

The other factor is the macroeconomic environment. Just 8 years ago wages in Ukraine have been 45$. Now they stand at 225$. This means that things for mongers have become 5 times more difficult since then. In 2003 just 4 years ago the average wages were only 87$. Orange revolution put an end to a dream reality. There is a critical difference in wages between East and West with average income in Dnipro about 1. 300 grivnia and average in the West about 950 grivnia. This difference alone does not explain the greater availability. If we add unemployment rate which is double or triple in the West we get a better view of the actual economic conditions influencing girls' behaviour. That is girls in the West are more likely to want to move abroad because it is more unlikely they will get a job in the West while in the East it is very likely they will get a job, they just will not make much money out of it. In Kiev they will get a better job with more money (average wages are now 1900 grivnia there, about 380$) but they need extra cash for high life especially if they need to pay rent. If you pick up girls in any of these areas you will likely meet the above described situation. In Kiev unemployment is very low about 4% with average 8% for the whole Ukraine. So a girl maybe student but she has an additional income from work. As a result it maybe easier to get a polish girl in some cases since in that country students do not work (the one reason is high unemployment, the other reason is that they cannot pay to pass exams like in Ukraine, which means no time to work when studying for exams). As a result a polidh student may live with 150$ a month paid by her parents while an ukrainian student may make 350$ a month on average. If ukrainian girls were not so greedy Kiev would not be a good place to pick up.

When I think of the easiness of the years '98-'04 I consider myself lucky I experienced a little something others unlucky will never see. Now you need to have skills, be really experienced, feel the scams and be ready to spend some money. Czech republic in the '90's when wages were below 300$ a month was a heaven, better than Ukraine since czech girls are really stunners, some of the best looking in the world. At that time wages in Ukraine were 85$ that is 3 times less than CR but hot girls in CR are in a proportion 1 out of 5, while in Ukraine they are one out of 20 in Kiev, 1 out of 30 in Dnipro and 1 out of 10 in the West. So CR was a better place to hunt till '98. After economic collapse in Russia the wages in Ukraine became half they were just 45$ in '99, 7 times lower than CR. Ukraine became by far the best hunting place, followed by Belaruss (65$) and Russia (85$). Now in Moscow the wages are 650$ a month on average almost the same with Poland and unemployment is 3-4%. It seems a difficult place. In Belaruss they are 350$ a month and everyone travelling there resports greater difficulties. In Ukraine with 225$ it is still a good investment since the critical limit of 300$ a month will be surpassed. At this time Ukraine will be the same with Latin America. The other factor is the population. This is responsible for the lower availability of Moldovan girls although average wages are lower than in Ukraine (only 125$ a month). Kishinef has a population of 500. 000, much lower than big provincial ukrainian cities like Dnipro, donetsk, Kharkiv. In Ukraine the places with the lowest wages like Ternopil are actually dead, there is nobody to find, the streets are empty. Population maybe 220. 000 officially but in fact it is closer to 50. 000. So as a general rule if the population is under 200. 000 on paper, lower wages do not play any role in pick up success since the population of girls is very likely to have moved to places with better wages. In Kiev on the other hand the population is 2. 400. 000 in official statistics but in fact it surpasses 5. 000. 000. The proportion and population of hot girls has raisen proportionally. It is a pity girls move from poor places where they have few demands to more advanced places where they become demanding. We all look forward to the pro-turn situation.

The only effective positive factor for the foreign monger is the inflation which takes away some of the girls' income. For example in province 3 years ago she made 100$ a month but had to pay 30$ for the rent. Now she makes 200$ a month but has to pay 100$ for the same appartment. (if she lives alone or with others). So she has now 100$ to spend while in the past she had 70$. It is not a big difference. The monger can get almost the same girl. But now he has to spend 2-3 times more. This is the result of the combined effect of higher wages and inflation.

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Me and You

04-11-07, 13:16

Thanks Captain for this excellent report. Great experience that I would like to try it in my next visit to Ukraine. Can you provide me with the contact please on this [Email address deleted by Admin].

Many thanks

Anybody would like contact, PM me here.

Shes worth it and then some. She also says she has lots of friends who do this part time and are eager to make a little extra cash[/QUOTE]

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Explorer69

04-11-07, 13:35

I was in Nikolaev 2 months ago, and I apologize for being late with my report. I was first in Odessa and should go to Kiev for business. However, my business contact became I'll and all of a sudden I had a couple of "free days" not knowing what to do. Free days because in Odessa I was with one of my girlfriends who is a stripper. One evening I was first pissed off because she didn’t come, instead she came at midnight together with her girlfriend – and they were both drunk. To make a long story short: we all ended up in the jacuzzi and in the bed. To make everything shorter: after some days in Odessa I had so much sex from these girls.

But back to Nikolaev! I had told my girlfriend that I was off to Kiev. Now I cancelled my Kiev trip and decided to look into unknown territory: Nikolaev. I had met a couple of girls on internet and decided to to go and meet them. I quickly arranged for an apartment, after all this was off the tourist season. They also picked me up by car in Odessa, cost USD 80, and also brought me back to Odessa. In the car I asked for some information, the guy did not know much, but said that P4P was difficult, maybe some taxi driver knew something? There was also a strip Club: Dixie Barbecue right in the centre.

Nikolaev has a small, non-interesting centre, in practice only one main street, and the centre and meeting place is McDonalds! The city itself is boring!

I met 2 girls from internet, 1 girl I quickly lost interest in, the other one was very sweet, she is interested and we still have contact, but I did not even kiss her. Not allowed! But she is ripe for next time I think). I had contact with and spoke with several girls that I met in the street, in cafes, etc. They are very sweet, most of them want desperately to go away, but they need to be dated and courted, no one night stands!

I was in a night club/disco called Cinema or something like that. It is almost in the end of the main street – back from the street, it looks almost like you walk into a backyard. In the back they have a room with strip girls, they dance as long as you tip them! None wanted to do "anything else", they almost looked shocked when I made some proposals! English very bad. I asked the door man about P4P, he also looked shocked and said: no such girls here!

Dixie Barbecue was a nice, very friendly place with some goodlooking strippers. Actually most of the girls were only go-go, only a few really stripped. No rip off, possible to get a table dance, and the girl would sit with you if invited and they thought you were OK. Many girls spoke English. Nothing more was on the menu.

To summarize: I was 48 hours in Nikolaev. No P4P scene visible, what taxi drivers could find I have the impressions from other mongers, is rather bad from some dirty apartment. I never tried. Girls approachable and generally very interested, but you will need time. I got a lot of contacts, some I still nurse for my next visit to Odessa/Nikolaev. A few have agreed to meet me if I go to Kiev! My clear impression was that if I stayed for more than 3 days, I would have an army of girls outside my door. NB! One girl tried strongly to make me buy expensive presents. I did not get laid in Nikolaev, but had fun.

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Tom73

04-11-07, 22:57

Hecker

Somethings you said make sense but are obvious. But alot of statistics you quoted are off bat alot. For example 5 million in kiev is nonsence. Unofficially close to 3 million, ofcourse everyone gravitates to main street and others visit from othe area so it looks crowded. Also most girls in ukraine have no interest in foreigners now because of the fact the prestige, the novelty is over. Infact they look at foreigners as just using them for sex and giving them nothing in return. You probably do not realise that they actually blame westerners for their problems. Ask my wife she will tell you.

Why will 200 something girl go for older foreigner who doesnt share any thing in common when they can go with guy there own age who speaks language, on the slender size (foreignrs equal fat in their minds) and will be around in the end.

Also salaries have officialy gone up but actually they were never making soo low 8 yrs ago. Remember official salaries are deflated for taxes but more employers comply now so rea l wage or closer being reported. Also those per capita statistics do not take into the equation very low salaries or the very high one which make avg higher. Also expenses went up. My apt 3 room cost 100 dollars a month now to pay water and gas. Alot of families now had to sell apts and move into other homes smallerr or with relatives. I and some ways they are poorer now except electronics (cell phones) and counterfeit clothing cheaper now.

They just do not like foreigners anymore. They don't trust us. Also some of your comments about west true they even speak english better because religious missionaries taught them, more religious. But they are not trying to get out. Infact they are most patrotic and support ukraine. They also think foreigners want only sex and avoid relations with them. Heck even years ago west was worst place to score, not many marriage agencies there because girls didn't want foreigners. A foreign affair and al the big companies get very little responses from girls in the west. Its a fact. Nor will they have there socials there. They more into religion and there culture there.

Girls can make 600 a month and still adore foreigners to use for opportunity if they feel they have no future, like after 1998 crash but now they can be poor but most believe they have future. Also remeber we are now talking about girls under 30. They grew up see foreigners as fat, bald, etc just throwing around money to get them in bed. This generation looks internally. Even marriage agencies have trouble recruiting girls now. Now if they have trouble, and lets face it at least thats a seriuos relationship, why should girl jump at chance to sleep with old foreigners, different culture, mammerisms etc, (also have bellies and russians hate overweightness)jusst to have free dinner in restaurant? Russian women give sex for love and security, not out of being emotional. They want something in return for what they give, economics 101.

Saunter

04-12-07, 03:55

Russian women give sex for love and security, not out of being emotional.

hmmm... so all these women that has been fucked silly as described by members on here do it for just that? All the ones who have a serious boyfriend / fiance / husband / sponsor etc... on the side? People like Doc Skank et al. must have been messing with a very different type of Russians then.

But what do I know, I've never been to Western & Eastern Ukraine or Kiev & Odessa. Maybe others could shed more light on this debate.

Bez Bezarra

04-12-07, 04:26

They just do not like foreigners anymore. They don't trust us. Also remeber we are now talking about girls under 30. They grew up see foreigners as just throwing around money to get them in bed. This generation looks internally.

I suppose that when YOU get the same treatment from ALL the dyevochkas you interact with, then YOU would conclude that ALL of them have changed.

But the good news is, everyone else isn't meeting ONLY the same type that you are. That's not good for you, but you're only one monger.

I recently became quite friendly with some dyevs who are trusting and interested that I'm foreign. They are content to be entertained, they are horny, and feel a lot less of the daily life pressures of their sad economic situation because they have a reliable sponsor.

Sure we all see those slutty hot dyevs that prefer the local constantly drunk young boys smoking and treating them with no class.

I'll never have enough time to concern myself with them, I'm just too busy
with the others. :D

Captain Fire

04-12-07, 06:31

Its interesting to read the different reactions guys have had in Ukraine, some 180 degrees different in the same city, same area. A lot has to do with the attitude that us mongers put toward the ladies. I spent a lot of time in Dubai and the attitude there from ladies from CIS was totally different. A glance, a smile and boom, you had a beauty from Ukraine or elsewhere with you. The thing is that they were there to make money, had big bills to pay to sponser, send money home, etc. I have found in Ukraine that most of the girls you meet in cafes, street, markets are interested in good time, treated respectfully and yes, do want a taste of good life, BUT, they are not really in the game. I came back and forth for a year, finally moved here and live here. Even the ones I have found in my relatively small town who are on the game, are up for dating, going on picnic, as well as nite clubs. Never been asked for gift, but I've found that a small thing, perfume, jewellry, a new blouse is appreciated expotentially. I haven't found that many who are really greedy, they like flowers, small gifts, opening doors, holding chairs in restaurants.
I haven't chased much in nite clubs, so I can't really speak to the mercenary attitudes there, the ones I have found have found have uniformly been sweet, usually took a couple of dates to get very far, but when you do get past first base, very enthusiastic, very teachable, and are willing to experiment.
Overall, I guess I would have to characterize Ukraine, at least my area, as not good for quick time P4P, but if you want to spend some time, the results can be well worth it.
Just my findings, I'm sure much is dependent on each lad and how you approach the girls, and how much time you have to spend.
Best of luck to all
Cap

Hecker

04-12-07, 11:31

Tom73 you overgeneralize what seems to be part of your experienece in cities like Odessa and East Ukraine. Most of what you refer to like religion etc are just prejudices. If you go to Poland you will hear that polish girls are very difficult to get because they are catholic, family oriented etc. In fact people who have had polish girlfriends will assure you polish girls are the easiest around. It does not matter what they say about themselves but what they actually do. In Czech republic they are 90% atheists, it does not mean girls are easier than polish.

I have been in resorts with slavic girls form every country, from Russia, CR, Slovakia, Poland, Serbia and I know how difficult they are, and how they were some years ago. I know what are my chances when I try to pick up a serbian girl in comparison to a polish girl, what exactly means I come from Czech or Russia. And my observation about difficulty coincides with the data of official statistics. And the cultural tradition that is substantially three traditions, the Balkan, the russian and the austrohungarian. For example Serbian girls are more difficult than russian girls on average although wages in Serbia are maybe the same. This is due to the fact that serbian girls have been under ottoman, turkish influence for a long time and it made them more difficult to get. They adopted some turkish view of life. On the other hand it still remains a challenge for me if girls coming from former Austrohungary are easier or more difficult than those being under russian influence. In part the comparison between west and east ukraine has to do with that more general aspect.

The official statistics are true about wages because the Ukrainians and Russians are very good mathematicians and experts in statistics. They did great statitsics also in Soviet Union. I know there is hidden economy and they know that also but for the foreign investor and his companion the monger, the official statistics are the key because they take into account what happens for the big majority of people and most important for the ladies. The hidden economy may play a role in sponsorship prices and some fees, it does not influence the general situation. The girls do not go for the hidden one but for the obvious.

On the other hand the statistics about population are wrong. Probably the government knows how many have emigrated and in fact do not live where they are supposed to. It may not write it down because it may want to seem that the country improves after orange revolution and emigration has been limited. In the same time the government releases true statistics about wages because it hopes to get attention of foreign investors. If they say that salaries are 350$(as a result of revolution policy) and not 225$, many investors will be less willing to invest and will prefer more stable countries like Bulgaria, Romania or other new EE members. So the wages are right, the populations are wrong. For hunting both factors matter.

Of course these statitsics wre not invented to help mongers but we may use them in order to make better decisions about our targets. From my experience I met in each country I visited almost the same situation that is described in statistics. Ask a girl in Lugansk how much she makes a month and compare it to the official statistic about average salary in Lugansk. Do the same in Kiev. Everything will match.

The other importatnt factor that is also hidden is the unemployment. Here official statistics do not make the trick. You need to ask directly. For example ask every student in Dnipro if she has a job. Do the same in Kiev. In Lugansk and West. You will reach the conclusion it is much easier to find a job in some certain places. Then you must think if this is good for mongering or not.

What you meet on the street is a reflection of this situation. In fact many difficulties arise from the high oil price which tends to make slavic girls less available. We have to pay every rise in this price double and triple than others.

Tom73

04-12-07, 14:28

bez,

you must have missed the fact i am not monger anymore, already married. i monger from the period that was gtreat and changes obvious.

also you just agreed with me. they do it for there own gain not because they look up to us anymore. as i said all girls want something. before we gave them status. if you were in fsu in late nineties you would know what i am talking about. just being there was enough. you didn't have to sponser them etc. now you do. sponsering the m means they are using you even if its just entertainment, entertainment takes them away from depresing lives. also the good experiences that the successful mongers have are actually quite similar because they going after same type of girl. but the statement that the majority of them not wanting, needing us is no less true. but we do not need majority anyway so its ok. also it still comes down to the numbers game (was mentioned in another post). if you plug away on your vacation day and night ofcourse you are going to succeed. it simply law of averages and in ee law of averages works morein our favor. the good mongers like dr skank know this. he not shy and he doesnt waste time working the wrong girls.

the mongers who complain usually fail for simple reason that thy do not really try. i talking about freebies (how can you fail with a hooker? ). they think girls easy, get rejected and then obsess that something is wrong, then they get desperate, we all know how that works against you. you said yourself peeps mostly write bullshit here.

you want to really help people let them know it not easy here, its hit and miss, and they need to not be shy. the guys who succeed are not great looking or so charming as they thing, they simply are assertive and go after what they want. same as russian men do. they talk to girls everywhere, street etc, etc.

as for pure mongering of course kiev best. more pro scenes, also many girls come to city looking for fame and fortune and now see that life is not easy and they need money or entertainment to live good there. moscow same thing.

Hecker

04-12-07, 19:18

It is true things have become more difficult in FSU since '90's. Maybe 4 times more difficult. When I experienced Kiev firlst times, it was impossible to go alone to a club and not get away with a beautiful chick after two hours. Everytime I went to clubs I scored. Now this is no longer the case. Now it takes more effort and you pay more for wrong choices. But if you search you may find gorgeous girls who in the past simply did not exist.

For examle when I was in Kiev in August I met with one chick who I had known from internet. She came wearing just a bra on top, and it was see-through bra. I could see her nipples and she did not seem to care. She brought her friend with her. Her friend was dressed even more provocatively in a dress that barely covered her buttocks. In order to meet her I had already been scammed by taxi and paid 80 grivnias just to go where she would come (on the other side of the city). We went to a nearby club to find out it was closed. Then she proposed to visit Carribean. We took a cab which cost 50 grivnias. I had to pay for entrance for both girls, 120 grivnias totally if I remeber well. When we sat down, the girl with the see-through bra did not let me tough her hips and breast. So I moved to her friend and soon I was caressing the inside of her hips and her underwear and buttocks under the dress. The girls begann drinking shots. After a while they went to dance. Then I realized lots of Arabs and other foreigners in the disco also trying to pick up. I watched the girls and after a while an Arab or Turk came to dance with them. I saw they did not fall for him and came back. Then I realized there was annoying competition now in Kiev and I do not like competition especially when I have spent money on travel. The girls continued to drink. I toughed the one everywhere. When the bill came I had to pay 450 grivnia. I was very upset. In just two hours in a middle class disco I had already paid about 150$ totally including taxi fees and I had not been able to do something more than toughing. At that point the girl with the see-through bra told me my friend and I do not like you toughing us. I asked the girl with the revealing dress toughing her buttocks if she wanted to go with me to hotel. She answered I do not know you well, I have to know you better. Seeing lots of eyecandy around I let them dance and started pick-up. I approached only model-looking girls, one was married 2 weeks ago and was reluctant to give phone number, some others did not respond. The girls came back and continued drinking. They had drank 4 more shots when I left them and got out of the disco. It would be their punishment they had now to pay for the extra-shots they drank thinking it was done on my expenses. When outside the disco I saw a gorgeous blond, who I had previously seen hugging a black boy. I talked to her, she told me to sit down next to her. She had come to disco alone. She told me to go to disco with her. I followed her. She was very tall, she seemed like 190 cm. When we were inside she put her hands on my shoulder. I started toughing her legs. She did not have a bra, I could also see her nipples though her low-cut blouse. She told me she likes tequilla. I bought her one glass of tequilla and one for me. She let me tough her bare long legs and her back. Then a guy next to us probably foreigner started talking to her. I was curious what he would say. He started speaking russian thinking the girl did not speak english. In fact I drew her attention so that she did not speak english with him. He told her, ja americansky, it was funny to hear him. He did right approach but of course he did not know if I was girl's boyfriend or not. So I turned her head and kissed her deep tongue. Then the american stopped.

At the same time I noticed many hot girls, unbelievably hot and I wished I had an opportunity to approach them. Problem was I could not let the blond girl without supervison, it was very possible somebody would hit on her since disco was packed with foreigners and no foreigner had picked up any girl despite trying. My girl wanted to get out. I let her and tried to approach others when I realized she was just dancing some meters away with an ukrainian boy. I had again to watch.complicated things again. No way to hit other girls because there was danger to lose the model one. I waited for her and when she came back I told her had to go to the hotel and invited her to join me. She told me no, I want to go home. O. K. I said. And then she said I want one last tequilla. With this I felt used, I had spent already 50$ on her and my shots. Wit the 150$ I had spent on the other girls' drinks, it seemed a bad event. I got her phone number, went to her home, kissed her and then I got to my apartment. I had met the spam situation also some years ago but at that time the damage would be much less, let us say 50$, and the girls were ready for far more things, for example she may not have gone to hotel with you, but she would kiss and hug you all the time in disco, she would introduce you her gielfriends to choose, it was a different world. Now there are different girls in Kiev clubs, more demanding, better dressed and better looking but with certain eccentricity. You need more money and you get different girls.

Maybe this is the situation Tom refers to. But we must take into account changes in availability of other slavic girls like czech and polish to make a fair comparison.

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Nolies

04-13-07, 01:45

Guys, it seems to me after reading about all these statistics and all of the mongers experiences, that things are getting more difficult and not easier..More negative, not positive.

The Good days are over,and the only way to Re-live those days is to spend more money.If, now, to score with a diev takes about 4 times more money than a few years ago, then it eliminates a lot of would-be mongers that would be in the game if things were cheaper.

So, if the trend continues as it is going..in few years time it will be, again ,more expensive(maybe 4 times more)..in the same level as Western Europe..might as well stay home then.

Conclusion: The time to enjoy EE is now..because in 1-2 years time most of us will not be able to afford it!

G Schyman

04-13-07, 10:17

Peter 1001 pm:d me about my part time girlfriend. I tried to reply but it didn't work. Here is a picture of her. She is born 1975 and very well kept.

GS

Cruiser D

04-13-07, 10:46

Hecker why do you keep making the same mistakes over and over? You are simply a moving ATM for these girls. DO NOT take them to discos, you meet girls at discos - you do not take them to discos. Also in my years of going to Kiev and the hundred of girls I've met I've never once gone outside of the city center to meet a girl. What this girl is saying is - I'm really not all that interested in meeting you. But if you make the effort to come to me I will be happy to spend your money. Come on, stop it.

Nolies, just buy some flashier clothes and hit the gym more often - you will be ok.

Captain Fire

04-13-07, 11:29

Well heres my 2 cents, probably about what its worth. For those of you who know me, Sporadic, Piper, 11 Bravo, we knew the old Dubai scene when you go into a club and have a dozen propositions in the first 50 feet. It was like a smorgasbord, every flavor, color, size and age. Hitting the clubs was worth it then. It sounds like it was similar in Ukraine a few years ago,but, as the song goes," Times they are a changin" I've lived here now going on two years and have hit a few clubs with results like the Oilers last season. The girls in the clubs seem to be out for a good time, get what they can, and if absolutely necessary, give up that most precious of posessions, their pussy, but only if they can extract maximum leverage.
I'm married here now, but, still manage at least 2 good to very good pieces a week. All the gold is not" In them thar hills". look around, a waitress in restaurant, a clerk in store, two ladies sitting in a cafe. Sure you're not going to get your oil changed first night, but a date or two, some interesting conversation, maybe having her teach you a bit of Russian, and in a short time you can be teaching her French and Greek. Somebody, maybe Doc or Bez talked about University. There is one close to my home and I have scored very well just taking my dog for a walk. They smile, look at dog, you say, "Ah, malinki sabaca, lyubly tebe" ( small dog likes you) next thing you know, you get number, make date for coffee or tea in the afternoon, and in a couple of days, you're dancing the horizontal tango. This without ever going to some bar and listening to over loud music. Its worked for me gents and in fact in about 1 hour I am meeting a lady, probably about 22, would rate her a high 8, bringing her friend to cafe, friend is maybe a medium 8, but a real great set of tits. Nobody can pad a bra that much.
This won't work for everyone, you must have the time to spend and maybe the patience.Some will never come across, but the batting average will still beat Ted Williams.
Best of luck guys
Cap

Hecker

04-13-07, 12:29

I think Dr. Skank and cap. Fire have a distinctive advantage. This is they live in Ukraine so they do not need to hurry things up, they may wait, choose, eliminate possible scams etc. This is not the case for somebody who visites the country for a short time. If you get into internet dating you may get a new phone number everyday which means one new appointment averyday minimum. You may meet the girl where you want and judge if she is interested or not. However if you come for a short time you can only meet certain number of girls for cerratin time so you need to eliminate all those not so good looking as well as those looking for long term relationship. I got four girlfriends in Dnipro in four days all very good looking and all wanted me as boyfriend. Fact is they were not willing to sleep with me on second date. And as a visitor I did not have more time. If cap. Fire had only 3 days in a totally unknown city I do not know what he may experience. Maybe he saw it in Nikolayef. To suggest to somebody to emigrate just to simply get laid more often I do not know if it is good idea.

However I am sure that even if sb lives in Ukraine he needs to spend on girls and most probably he needs to pay about 200$ average for each freebie he scores every month. Maybe that is why IT travel moved to sponsoring.

I also do not know what quality we are talking about. The chick banged by Hedonist represents the quality one should thrive for at minimum.

CruiserD I behave in the way I am supposed to in each place. I do different things in the West, different in the East and different in Kiev because behaviour of girls sets the rules. They decide how far you will get. If I could do in Kiev what I could in the west I would be not an idiot not to do so. But simply is impossible if you lack time and try to compensate with money.

As a tourist I have to kill time, to make time not matter. Time is an enemy and I have to struggle to eliminate its influence. If I lived in Ukraine, time would be my alliance, time would work in favour of me and not against me. If I cannot make time not important factor I lose my chances to score as a short time traveller. Maybe there are people who like that since it eliminates competition. They like that prices go up because situation for many mongers will deteriorate.

Tom73

04-13-07, 15:15

Yes, definitely they can make you spend more than years ago, also the attitude wa he take me for dinner I owe him sex, now attitude is he will spend money on me and I owe him nothing.

Actually meeting away from center not bad idea if you control where to meet. For example invite girl tea or coffee pick your self some nice cafe, but one that norma ukrainian goes to, it can be in center or away from center. Is that ukrainian cafeteria restaurant near opera still there? I knew owner, very cheap prices always alot of girls. I also think its bad idea to take girl to club. Club means drinks, entrnce, food and roses for girl. Like it was said alcopone and other clubs where basically it was so crowded girl can't even order drink, is closed, clubs now make it easy for you to lose money. But if you actually like to dance and going to dance than it could be ok, some mongers very good dances and actually got girls that way. I use to work, ofcourse if you remember to 90's it was easy because guys didn't dance but now young ukrainian guys dance with their women now, though they look funny doing it.

Also I can understand girl maybe meeting with friend if it first meeting, but then girlfriend should get lost. In the states you would never date girl and take out her friend. Would you? Yes, you hope you going to get lucky and have threeesome, but cmon how often it works tha way? Most likely you will be cock blocked by the girls protecting each other.

Also next time foreigner starts talking to your girl. Kick his ass, serious act like ukrainian man, remind him shes with you. In the states most guys know better but feeling uninhibited in fsu sometimes make guys forget the rules. Some pussy ara, european or america will not risk getting hurt, even if he stronger than you. Do not threaten Russians though they crazy when drunk and have lots friends, no such thing as fair fighting for them.

Maybe we will get lucky and some economic proble mwill happen that make girls more compliant

Doctor_Skank

04-13-07, 22:06

I think Dr. Skank and cap. Fire have a distinctive advantage. This is they live in Ukraine so they do not need to hurry things up

I don't live in Ukraine and I don't live in Russia. I am just quite skilled at making things happen quickly, because that is the only option for me. I usually am in country for no more than 4-5 days at any one time and often only have the nights to "play with".

One thing that really helps... returning to the same place a few times a year and for a couple of years in a row. You build up a network of contacts yet you aren't around long enough to have a serious girlfriend... just all play. Works for me just fine and the girls stay remarkably loyal once they figure out you are going to stay in their lives for awhile. I spend almost nothing on my girlfriends... just occasional mid-priced presents for the ones I really adore or providing some adventures that they wouldn't have on their own to those I especially like to make them happy. Actually giving them these simple pleasures probably makes me more happy than it makes them.

I also agree totally with Cruiser D. You don't take girls TO the club, you pick girls up FROM the club.

The only exception is with village girls or girls who rarely go to the club. If they don't go to clubs often, take them there, buy them a couple of potent sweet drinks they've heard of of but get drunk on and show them what a wild and crazy club stud you are then leave the club before 2 am and go home for fucking. Village girls or "homey" girls often don't like clubs anyway... but they want to be able to tell their friends that they have been to one. They will think it's great and you just had one of the easiest nights out with "happy end" that you can possibly imagine. And with luck, they won't even notice the video recorder in the corner next to the dresser.

Some guy a while ago mentioned picking up the girls that seem fascinated or uncomfortable with the escalators in Globus. Good method. Respect.

My thing is picking up girls who have their picture taken in front of the fucking fountain in Metrograd. That's provincial sex pure.

In a moment of zen clarity after the 6th beer, 109 once gave me a truly solid piece of advice. Most people work up to the weekend. That means meet girls in the week and then invite them to the club on the weekend for the big hurra. Sure that may sometimes work, but it is actually a colossal waste of effort. Work DOWN from the weekend. Meet girls on the weekend at the club and if you don't score immediately (or even if you do but have already got 3-4 other numbers from hotties) date them in the week and poke them Monday-Wednesday when there is nothing else for you (or them) to do anyway. It works.

Cruiser D

04-14-07, 09:33

Hecker, once the girl has set the agenda you have lost. Just hand her your wallet and forget about sex.

Are you saying because you lack time you compensate by throwing money at the girls? And you wonder why you are having problems with finding strictly mercenary girls...

My suggestion is that you figure out what your agenda is going to be before you go and stick to it. If you are going to fuck *****s, fuck *****s. If you are going to date non professional girls, date just non professional girls. If you are going to throw money at these girls hoping you are going to have sex for 'free' - just stay home.

Tom, there are cheap places to eat and drink all over Kiev center not just freeloading at some long ago closed bar. Also, Ukrainian cafeterias are all over the place - there are several by the Opera House. You go to meet a girl outside the center you are just setting yourself up for a bad time.

Dr S, Village girls aren't my thing - so personally during the weekend days I like to lay low (considering I usual get to bed around 8am that isn't too hard). Kiev usually gets packed full of tourist from the villages during the weekend. If I had a kopeck for every time some one asked me for directions in Russian during the weekend...My personal favorite tourist spot for taking pictures is the Italian pizza man on Khreshatyck. During the Orange Revolution I met a lot of people in Kiev from other parts of the country who had never met an American before.

109 has quite a few interesting insights. But what always amazes me about him is his seemingly endless energy and his willingness to try something new - and his sexy hat. He was a great wingman during my last trip.

So many girls, so little time.

CruiserD I behave in the way I am supposed to in each place. I do different things in the West, different in the East and different in Kiev because behaviour of girls sets the rules. They decide how far you will get. If I could do in Kiev what I could in the west I would be not an idiot not to do so. But simply is impossible if you lack time and try to compensate with money.

Hecker

04-14-07, 11:04

I suppose then that people like Life Savour who spends money for girls to entertain themselves in expensive places like Arena, IT travel and Bez Bezzara who tend to sponsoring are either not attractive or after so much time continue to pick up the wrong type of girls. Or cruiserD is much more attractive than anybody, a Kazanova dream for every girl. When I was in Kiev I noticed very few girls with foreigners. And in the big discos where 50% were foreigners nobody managed to do sth with the models. To find the village girls you need to search and if you come for short time, you just cannot do it. How to find the 30% of girls in this city who have lower ambitions and comply with cheap places, metro instead of taxi etc? Most probably the tourist will meet the other category.

Captain Fire

04-15-07, 13:55

Hecker
Maybe you got the wrong idea, but plain and simple, showing your baby blue eyes and a EU or other western passport is going to get you SFA. Dumping your wallet on the table is going to get you some laffs, but at you, not with you. Ukraine is not a third world shit hole, the girls you are trying to sack with, probably most have at least a 4 year degree. They have internet, they are literate and they know that some foreigner coming around with a wallet full of Gyrvnia, dollars, euros is trying to get into their knickers with as little hassle as possible. Other than definite P4P, this just ain't happening first time out of the gate. If you want consistent performance, GFE experience, a good time all around, you will need to spend some time and effort in the pursuit. It might mean the first time here you go home with blue balls, or just bite the bullet and pay a hooker, but if you are planning to come back often, a bit of effort, charm, and respect sown now, will reap you hellasish crops next time. You will be trusted, admired and sought after, even if you and them know you have no intention of long term. Most of the ladies I have met, respect is extremely high on their list, most here it is far and above $$$$.
Just my 2 cents from my experience
Cap

Hecker

04-15-07, 17:30

From your experience how many times one should travel to Ukraine every year staying supposedely 7 days each time in order to get let's say totally 5 good looking girls to bed? I mean without expensive presents and going to ordinary places. With average appearance,age and income for western standards.And normal mongering skills.

This information would be of value.

Cruiser D

04-16-07, 00:47

Hecker - that is unrealistic expectations unless you plan to go the pro or semi pro route. Which begs the question, if all you want to do is have sex with 5 or so model quality girls in a week or so why don't you simply use escorts?

As for me being a Casanova to the girls, as some members of this board can attest to I generally have more girls then time. So I must be doing something right. And I do this all with no deception, no tricks and no gift boxed mobile phones. I think I present a good combination of Western sophistication and Russian male entitlement - the girls really seem to like and respond to it.

Tom73

04-16-07, 14:47

Funny to brag about girls you paid for sex.

Thats like bragging about having an acountant do your taxes.

Trashman picks up trash?

Better to just show photos and give contact info, don't you think? This I a trave lsex site, means give info, no body cares what ho looks like if you don't give others phone number to be with her. Might as well show us pictures a brittany spears, etc.

Also for those who like internet approach. Could you please enlighten us to what you say? Sites in russian so do you write your own ad and translate. Also I assume you put photos on site of yourself? I think necessary to get res ponses.

Also guys who spend 150 dollars on trying to fuck girl crazy. In america makes some sense because pro sex more than clubs and dinner but in ukraine girl for sex cheaper, so justmakes sense to pay for sex and then look for freebies cheaply also sponsering waste of money you going t opay more than value of sex you going to get.

Better to find some student and "help her out". Much cheaper and in essence same as being sponsered.

Sevastopol1

04-16-07, 14:51

Captain I can only agree with you as a resident of nearly 2 years!
Sev

Hecker
Maybe you got the wrong idea, but plain and simple, showing your baby blue eyes and a EU or other western passport is going to get you SFA. Dumping your wallet on the table is going to get you some laffs, but at you, not with you. Ukraine is not a third world shit hole, the girls you are trying to sack with, probably most have at least a 4 year degree. They have internet, they are literate and they know that some foreigner coming around with a wallet full of Gyrvnia, dollars, euros is trying to get into their knickers with as little hassle as possible. Other than definite P4P, this just ain't happening first time out of the gate. If you want consistent performance, GFE experience, a good time all around, you will need to spend some time and effort in the pursuit. It might mean the first time here you go home with blue balls, or just bite the bullet and pay a hooker, but if you are planning to come back often, a bit of effort, charm, and respect sown now, will reap you hellasish crops next time. You will be trusted, admired and sought after, even if you and them know you have no intention of long term. Most of the ladies I have met, respect is extremely high on their list, most here it is far and above $$$$.
Just my 2 cents from my experience
Cap

Jack 2004

04-16-07, 18:56

Dear Sirs,

I'm planning to visit this town, but I can't find any short term apartment. May I ask you information and suggestions about it, and our hobby.

Thank's in advance.

Cruiser D

04-16-07, 20:14

Tom, who are you talking to? And why are you looking for advice on Russian internet dating sites? 1) I thought you are married and 2) I thought you were already dialed into the Kiev scene?

Jack, try using http://www.ukraineapartments.com/ they are a brokering agency with rental contacts in most of the Ukraine. I used them last year in Kharkov and had a good experience but YMMV. Have you tried using 'the Google' too?

Hecker

04-18-07, 11:12

Sorry Life Savour. I mixed you with sb in the forum who claimed to do that. Sorry, I am not familiar with all these names. I also wrote that cap. Fire was in Nikolayef, while reports about Nik came from Explorer69. It is difficult to remember the nicks. However what I meant was that there are people who do this, like spending to get girls to clubs like Arena and claim it works for them. I will write the link when I find the report.

Now I wanted to ask IT Travel (he was I think) who wrote Uliana, a girl he met wants him to compensate for moral damage. A girl who asked me for sponsoring told me the same. That she accuses me for moral damage and wants money compensation. This because I did not meet her as it was planned. Does anybody know what this moral damage is about? Can any problems really arise? Is it just a trick from girls to blackmail? Have any cases appeared in court? It seems strange to me that a sponsored girl made such claims. In fact she had brought with her two girlfriends first time we met in appartment. I paid 200$ for one night with all of them. They told me they would charge 100$ for everyday more I wanted to have them. One of them worked as a lawyer. Maybe she told her about moral damage. I cannot understand these strange people.

Jack 2004

04-18-07, 20:18

Cruiser D:

Than'k you for your kind answer. Unfortunatelly, they don't seem to work in Zaporozhe. I'm trying to arrange it with some personal contacs.

Don't seem to be many foreign visits there.

Do striche!

American Ukraine

04-19-07, 11:43

Moral Damage? The last time I checked we were in a country called Ukraine. Where you can damage anything you want and get away by giving 10$ to the cop!

Next time these hoez talk about damage and stuff like that tell them you will phone your respective embassy or the police and will take legal action, plz don't act scared. You have to show them. You don't give a shit about what they talking about, be confident and kick them out of your house, trust me they won't come back.

Hecker

04-21-07, 18:24

Some common shit tests of ukrainaian girls.

1. Why did you come to Ukraine, for work?

Meaning I suspect you are a sex tourist.

2. Why are you not married?

(Maybe nobody likes you in your country or you do not like responsibilities)

3. Are there not beautiful girls in your country?

(Probably you are not very attractive to the beautiful ones)

4. Why do you come so often in Ukraine? Why Ukraine?

(Do you try to pick up girls and have sex with them?)

5. How long is the holiday in your country?

(how do you have so much time to visit Ukraine if you work hard?)

6. Is your brother married?

(Does your family have values?)

7. Do you take every girl to the shop?

(Do you try to get sex by buying presents?)

8. Do you tell the same to every girl?

(are you lying to me?)

9. How do you know russian?

(did some girlfriends teach you that?)

10. In your country girls have sex on first date?

(Are you a normal person?)

11. Where is your ticket? May I see it?

(Are you actually going to your country or will you meet any other girls in Kiev?)

12. May I see your passport?

(Are you really that old? From this country etc?)

13. My mother wants to meet you.

(What? Are you afraid of marriage?)

14. My friend married somebody in your country.

(compliment for you)

15. Why did you not answer my calls?

(Were you with a girlfriend?)

16. Why did you not call me?

(Are you seeing somebody else?)

17. I will be late.

(Keep waiting, I set the rules, no plans with others)

18. I want to walk.

(I want everybody to see you are with me)

19. I want to go to shopping center.

(I like you to buy me a present)

20. I am hungry.

(I wasnt to try a new expensive restaurant with you paying the bill)

21. I am not hungry.

(do you see? I care about my silouette)

22. Why did you come alone?

(You have no friends, you are isolated, lonely person?)

23. My friend will come in a while. She is very beautiful

(Are you serious about me?)

24. How is your work?

(Do you make enough money?)

25. I need money.

(Do you spend it on other girls? If not you will have for me)

26. Maybe I will stay in apartment with you.

(I will not stay but I want you to come to meet me)

27. I will stay in the apartment with you.

(if you give me money I will think about that)

28. I will not stay in apartment with you.

(I am not very attracted to you)

29. I need to know you longer.

(I want more presents)

30. I am very lonely, have a hard time

(will you buy me a new mobile phone?)

31. I think about you.

(I want to marry you)

32. I want to kiss you.

(I want to marry you)

33. Will you invite me to your country?

(I want to get pregant and marry you)

34. Will you buy me a ring?

(Now we are engaged)

35. Before you told me you was never here. Now how do you know this place?

(You lie to me)

36. How old did you say you are? I forgot.

(You lie to me)

37. Do you say you like cats? Before you said you like dogs.

(You lie to me)

38. Why do you like ukrainian girls? What is wrong with girls of your country?

(are you interested only in sex? Do girls in your country reject you? Have you done anything wrong in the past? Are you married in your country?

These are some of the common questions sb gets asked. You need to have an answer to each of them and show the right reaction never being caught by surprise. Many women judge us by the way we answer such shit test questions and draw some conclusions of details we reveal. I will write some more qs and common answers.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Saunter

04-21-07, 23:02

Hecker... those Q's are too funny, cuz we all know they do happen! I would be totally stumped if put in the position to answer ALL those Q's. Here are the one's I've been asked so far:

1. Why did you come to Baltics, for work?

Yes, for business. I'm here for (brief explanation) ... it's MY COMPANY (name) ... back it up with an actual (meaning you actually have a business) business card. That'll usually raise their interests.

2. Why are you not married?

In my country, the average age to get married now is 30 and 32+ to have kids. So I think I still have time to find the right woman while I'm building my business. This starts off a conversation about the difference in culture (how they marry and have kids much younger in the EE)... I know I'm a bit spoilt here since I'm just past my mid-20's.

3. Are there not beautiful girls in your country?

Of course there is. All our people are immigrants so we have a beautiful mix and the women have a lot of freedom to spend lots of time in taking care of themselves.

4. Why do you come so often in Baltics? Why Baltics?

I've only been here a few times and it's always for business. So why can't I enjoy a little bit as well? Besides, I have made many good friends here too, it's nice to see them again.

8. Do you tell the same to every girl?

No, it depends on the person and my friendship with them. I say what's on my mind or in my heart. I'm not trying to be sweet to you (give her a serious look as if you're offended), it's not my style to be a casanova.

21. I am not hungry.

You haven't eaten all day, how can I do anything with you or take you anywhere if you have no energy? I hate people who don't care about their health. Food is one of the pleasures in life that should be celebrated.

22. Why did you come alone?

I'm here for business, I didn't come here for group fun like those stag party boys from the UK that will dump the girls after their weekend of fun.

23. My friend will come in a while. She is very beautiful

Cool. Ask her to bring another beautiful friend and give her a smile. It lightens her up.

24. How is your work?

It's ok, I get to travel a lot... new experiences ... I generally don't discuss the monetary subjects because I think it gives an impression you are not worried about money and you're probably financially stable.

31. I think about you.

Yeh, I was thinking about you a lot today as well, while I was working. It's weird... I'm really glad you're here now with me...

38. Why do you like Baltic girls? What is wrong with girls of your country?

Nothing wrong with them, I became single 6 months ago. It just didn't work out and I didn't come here just to find another one. I came here for business, what happens outside of that is wherever life takes me. I like surprises, don't you?

Call out for Doc. Skank and Cruiser D... I would personally like to hear the answers you've given to the women in Russia and Ukraine. It would be very insightful. Well, anyone else for that matter. It will be beneficial if we all shared the responses most positively received by the majority of the women.

Hecker

04-22-07, 07:33

Some more qs.

1. What did you do all day long? What places did you visit?

(Were you with another girl in hotel as I suppose? Then probably you did not see much of the city).

2. I have to be home early.

(There will be no sex).

3. I am out of the city.

(I do not want to meet you).

4. You are very nice.

(I like you)

5. You are a good man.

(You are a sucker. You cannot fuck a girl).

6. My telephone is very bad. I cannot hear you or write you SMS.

(Will you buy me a new mobile?)

7. How lovely children. Do you like children?

(Do you want a baby with me?)

8. Do you travel often?What countries have you visited?

(do you have various girlfriends in many countries?).

Uke Boy

04-22-07, 10:06

To all of you "guys" obsessed with AU in the photo gallery section, please stop it now. I am beginning to think that Hecker is so obsessed that he is actually gay, and some of you others are just about there as well.

AU and his activities and posts does rub some of us the wrong way. I suspect that some of it is just pure envy but that is your problem. However he makes his living there or is studying in a crap medical school is not a subject of this forum.

The purpose of the forum, for those of you who may have missed it, is about the ladies, pro and non-pro and not about AU.

AU has given many some very good information with some very lousy photos but at least he has contributed positively. I can say that I have not agreed with him on a number of things but he has been positive in his contributions.

The rest of you also are also brain dead in that the photo gallery is for photos and not comments. That is why I am posting in Other Areas and not in reply to your inane comments in the Photo Gallery.

It is no wonder that lately the Ukraine board has slipped in quality and substance.

Hecker

04-22-07, 11:34

Who do you call gay UKeboy? Do you have such experiences?

I wrote that AU is not fake, I believe these were actually girls he picked up, not photoshopped or photos from dating or porn sites. And not hookers. (Maybe 1-2 of them are). If you know a little about slavic facies, these girls look exactly like girls coming from East Ukraine and the clothes they wear show provincial origin. I believe him.

Why do you make such a fuss?

I know discussion about university quality and education is not subject of this forum and there are other people who decide about these subjects.

I wrote that only to support the argument that his photos are true and he really does what he claims he does.

If you think you know sth that contradicts these arguments, you may write it.

Everyone who posts photos like AU gives important information to other members. He is the best source for information about Lugansk and Lugansk is an important play ground.

Cruiser D

04-22-07, 13:49

AU is from originally from the Middle East - there are a lot of Middle Eastern students going to school in the Ukraine. They either can't afford, don't have the grades or can't get a visa to go to a western school.

AU is young, playing the American card, speaks the language and is tapping young average looking Ukrainian girls in Lugansk. And some of you guys doubt this is truthful because? - on second thought..don't answer that.

Saunter, I've been going to Kiev for the last four years, for three weeks to two months at a time. So my answers generally have a different impact then a casual traveler. I tell the girls the truth, I once had business in Kiev now I come to visit friends and date girls. If I find the right girl I have no problem at all being serious with her but I am going to be having fun until then. Sure I lost a few girls by not being deceptive but it's all about karma to me - besides, that is what pro's are for.

Saunter

04-22-07, 15:15

Cruiser D

I hear ya. I re-read my post again after what you wrote and if there was anything that I wasn't being totally honest, it would be #31's answer. I still don't see that as a lie though. I'm just making her feel good cuz obviously she's looking for reciprocal feelings. And I just leave it at that, a short comment.

Anyway, Spring is here... happy hunting you lucky bastards =]]

Hecker

04-22-07, 23:17

i would answer like this.

1. why did you come to ukraine, for work?

actually for work yes, but i combine holidays because i like the country a lot.

2. i have to be home early.

when do you have to go? maybe we may stay a little in the hotel.

3. i am out of the city.

have a nice time there. now i need to eat sth.

4. you are very nice.

you are also very nice.

5. you are a good man.

i am not very good.

6. my telephone is very bad. i cannot write you sms.

i think we may take care about that.

7. how lovely children. do you like children?

i like slavic children very much.

8. do you travel often?

i travel often. i have visited. (a list of west and east countries).

9. why are you not married?

i have not found yet the right person to marry. it is so difficult if you have a little time.

10. are there not beautiful girls in your country?

in my country the girls are fat, hairy and very rude. i like slavic girls.

11. why do you come so often in ukraine? why ukraine?

because it is a very beautiful country. i like the cities and the girls here. i have been in may countries but i like to visit ukraine now.

12. how long is the holiday in your country?

. days. here?

13. is your brother married?

no, no, he is not married.

14. do you take every girl to the shop?

no. i do not like to buy presents to girls. only if the girl is very special to me i make exception.

15. do you tell the same to every girl?

do you tell the same to every boy?

16. how did you learn russian?

i had lessons in my country. i like russian language a lot. only ukrainian language sounds better. (if you are in the west).

17. in your country girls have sex on first date?

yes, some of them do.

18. where is your ticket? may i see it?

i have it in the hotel. maybe i will show you after.

19. may i see your passport?

i will show you my id.

20. my mother wants to meet you.

o. k.

21. why did you come alone?

all my friends were afraid to come to ukraine.

22. my friend will come in a while. she is very beautiful.

i saw her photo. you look far more beautiful.

and so on.

sometimes girls may do these tests continuously for over an hour, trying to get to conclusions from small details, combining small pieces of information.

they can drive you to mental exhaustion. dating 3-4 girls, the one upon the other and having to pass all these tests leads to such a tiredness, one has very little power to get to the club afterwards. and in the club follows other pick-up time. 4 years ago it was very easy, no shit tests just smile and pay for cheap drinks. the girls did everything on their own. now skills are needed, language knowledge, experience, concentration, speed and choosing the right targets and focusing on them. of course people who are naturally attractive and gifted and are successfull in their countries will do well without any problem in ukraine. however do these people actually travel to ee? their girlfriends will claim they do not have to. (another shit test).

Irish Lad

04-23-07, 03:03

1. Why did you come to Ukraine, for work?

I like it here.

2. Why are you not married?

I’m too young.

3. Are there not beautiful girls in your country?

Of course there are.

4. Why do you come so often in Ukraine? Why Ukraine?

I live here. You’ll see my apartment later if you are good.

5. How long is the holiday in your country?

What?

6. Is your brother married?

I don’t have any brothers.

7. Do you take every girl to the shop?

I don’t take any girl to the shop.

8. Do you tell the same to every girl?

Oh do shut up.

9. How do you know russian?

I don’t.

10. In your country girls have sex on first date?

First date? It’s your only date.

11. Where is your ticket? May I see it?

No…………now don’t talk again.

12. May I see your passport?

Get out!

13. My mother wants to meet you.

I’m not interested.

14. My friend married somebody in your country.

So?

15. Why did you not answer my calls?

I was busy.

16. Why did you not call me?

I was busy.

17. I will be late.

I will be gone.

18. I want to walk.

Paka.

19. I want to go to shopping center.

Paka.

20. I am hungry.

Paka.

21. I am not hungry.

I am.

22. Why did you come alone?

My friends have gone to fuck some girls.

23. My friend will come in a while. She is very beautiful.

Good. I like threesomes.

24. How is your work?

Busy. You must leave after you have made me breakfast. I have important meetings.

25. I need money.

I need group sex.

26. Maybe I will stay in apartment with you.

Maybe you will go fuck yourself.

27. I will stay in the apartment with you.

I haven’t invited you yet.

28. I will not stay in apartment with you.

Paka.

29. I need to know you longer.

Look, I will take a girl home with me tonight. It can be you or someone else.

30. I am very lonely, have a hard time

I can’t hear you.

31. I think about you.

Good.

32. I want to kiss you.

Good.

33. Will you invite me to your country?

No.

34. Will you buy me a ring?

No.

35. Before you told me you was never here. Now how do you know this place?

Stop asking so many fucking questions.

36. How old did you say you are? I forgot.

Me too.

37. Do you say you like cats? Before you said you like dogs.

I like pussy.

38. Why do you like ukrainian girls? What is wrong with girls of your country?

They give great blow jobs. Nothing.

Doctor_Skank

04-23-07, 08:39

1. Why did you come to Ukraine, for work?

...I like pussy.

Good answers IL!

Doctor_Skank

04-23-07, 08:40

Actually I think the questions are inevitable, largely normal and not necessarily a gestapo shakedown... depends on the situation.

If you are in a club like 112 or Arena or RP... then yeah, it most likely is a shakedown for information to size you up. (can't they just take a look in my trousers?) In any case, think of it as sport... or foreplay.

If in a normal dating situation she is probably just curious about the guy she is considering starting something with. Even though the questions are intended to provide her information about your background, relative wealth, reason for being in Ukraine and personality I don't think this is necessarily "evil".... but more just part of the game... par for the course.

In any case, I try to remain largely truthful in my answers for a simple reason... if you are dating a bunch of girls, its hard to keep a web of lies and deceit straight.

My take:

What are you doing in Ukraine: say work... or at least something that suggests you will come to Ukraine fairly often.

Have you been married: I say yes... I don't want them to think I am some desperate fool looking for a bride. I do however say that I would consider remarrying if I met the right girl.

Children: I say I do... after all, I'm not impotent. Guys over 30 without kids confuse Ukrainian girls. If you don't have any, don't claim you do. But if you do, there is no reason to lie and say you don't.

Are there no beautiful girls in your country: I tell them there are lots of beautiful women in the US.... but I don't like the fact that they are losing their femininity. This is what Ukrainian girls like to hear. It's up to her to show me how feminine SHE can be. Telling them that all American girls are fat or unattractive just puts Ukrainian girl in a power position. I don't allow that to happen.

Have you had a Ukrainian girlfriend before: I just look at them and smile and move on to the next question. Keep her guessing, suggesting she has competition.

Can we go to the shop? I never go shopping with girls. If I buy a girl a present it is because she deserves it. And I choose the present.

Do girls in your country have sex on first date? Yes, they do.

How long is your holiday? I take holiday whenever I want to.

Let's go for a walk. OK, then I walk with her to my apartment.

The rest I play by ear depending on the girl.

Jack 2004

04-28-07, 13:10

Dear gentlemen,

I wish somebody visits it and have more success than me! I have traveled to Ukraine many times, and I know different towns. I only speak survival Russian. The general advices of experienced travellers are confirmed, but this is my opinion:

1st. Difficult to find normal (western standard) flats. In fact I couldn’t find any, but the one’s avaible are cheap (USD 30.-).

2nd. Difficult transport in a very big town, more than 30 km. long. Private cars don’t stop!! and taxis normally only with a previous phone call. Somebody gave me number 567 to phone from mobilni. I was said it was valid for the whole Ukraine. I have traveled there many times, and it’s the 1st time I need it. Some scams too.

3rd. People usually not very friendly. Taxist (several) didn’t know about girls !! Some very nice and kind girls in town, but teenagers.

4th. Only 1 strip bar, in Hotel Inturist. 4/5 interesting girls, but they insisted they are only dancers!! UAH 50, entrance. UAH. 100, Cocktails for girls. UAH. 200, Short private dance.

5th. Two big discos. Sahara and Crow Bar. Dead, except in weekends.

It,s true too that now it,s not a very good season to go there, because students have exams very near.

That was my experience.

Bez Bezarra

04-29-07, 01:34

To all of you "guys" obsessed with AU in the photo gallery section, please stop it now. I am beginning to think that Hecker is so obsessed that he is actually gay, and some of you others are just about there as well.

AU is not a subject of this forum.

The purpose of the forum is not about AU.

AU has given many very lousy photos.

The rest of you are also brain dead.

It is no wonder the Ukraine board has slipped in quality.

I've only got one thing to say.

Kiss this zhopa!
(No really, I just gave it a good washing, so its completely sanitary.)

Cruiser D

04-29-07, 14:58

Just to kick this subject a little more to death and to get it at least out of the photo thread.

I always thought that to become a medical doctor in the US you had to be licensed by which ever state(s) you plan on practicing in. Part of the licensing in the state I am from is graduating from an accredited medical school. I'm guessing the "glorious worker's school of medicine for third world students with enough money to cover the tuition" is not going to be on that list.

Maybe we should ask Dr. Skank? Paging Dr. Skank.

Bez, where have you been hiding? I simply vote the we call AU, AU. That way you can decide in your own mind what the 'A' stands for. ;)

Hey Jack, thanks for the low down on Zap. , now I know why the girls have no problem traveling by train to come visit me in Kyiv.

Bez Bezarra

04-29-07, 17:43

Bez, where have you been hiding?

Who's hiding. I just decided to sit back and let you all drown in your own insignificant drivel of conjealing splooge.

No, actually Bez has been a very busy little bee pollinating the sweet pretty flowers of our glorius motherland.

Where you ask?

Uh, wouldn't you love to know. Let's just say, I buzzed around where the pink rose buds were opening up in their bloom.

But at one point, I had my tongue so far up this chick's ass that I could taste her borscht before it got cold.

Or are you THAT slow you didn't notice I've already donated 4 new dyevs.

Hecker

04-29-07, 18:20

Many people will freak out if they see that such important issues are discussed in ISG.The fact alone that are discussed show sth about the decline of some certain studies.

FSU medical schools degrees are accredited in USA.However there is some conflict between americans who study in USA,americans studying abroad and foreigners coming to USA to specialize.It is known that most students pay to get a degree in FSU(not nly foreign students) and it is considered normal in EE countries to pay for a degree,it is part of the game.To get a position in work you also have to pay even for jobs with low wages.We see it as corruption they see it as buisness.

The future of foreigners getting degrees in these countries depends largely on decisions made by each governement which decisions aare driven by many factors,from national strategy to simply complying to the pressure from people whose parents have connections but they could not manage to get good grades to enter american universities.So this discussion does not have a point since other people decide about these subjects and their decisions are not based plainly on common sense.

USA has set for the last 50 years the barrier of USMLE exams for medical graduates(both american and foreigners) which keeps many foreign graduates unable to get license to work as doctors in USA.They manage to control the number of doctors simply by increasing the difficulty level of the USMLE exam every time the success rates increase.

In Europe the governments decide what to do and every state has different legislation.For example in France there are exams for foreign medical graduates like in USA,in Germany decision is taken by local governement,in Sweden they give license yo FSU graduates if they have language degree,in UK foreigners outside EU have to take the PLAB exams.

However the basic decisions regarding the number f foreigners to be accepted are made by each state separately apart from EU countries which have to accept every degree that was obtained in any of the other EU countries,even in countries like Poland,Hungary or Romania.

So theoretically a paid degree from Bulgaria has the same value with a difficult taken degree in France.The reality is that a graduate from Bulgaria will have a very difficult time finding a job in France while the French who studied in France will 100% find a residency in hospital.The same is for UK,Germany,Norway and every strong european country.

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Anonymous

04-30-07, 12:35

Just going back to the subject.. I visited both cities on business (2 days Kharkiv, 1 day Dnipro). Kharkiv is officially a bigger city but Dnipro feels much larger for some reason. Both are pretty ugly and drub. I had to drill several pages back in that thread to find any relevant info (inbetween the often very irrelevant lengthy chita chat posted here - sorry guys), thanks Volpone

Kharkiv seemed to have a lot more nice girls walking around (maybe cause it has a big University) and a few youngsters on the street were speaking English. Only tried some phone numbers posted on this site before. They all worked and all spoke only russian as forewarned. Made it through via primitive russian from my side and some primitive english from the other side of the line. Tried 3, recommed 2:

phone: 7548455, Puschkinskaya 96, apt 51, code 38, 150 Griven ($30) an hour, descent girls, very friendly, very good service

phone: 7554257, next to Mc donals on Rosa Luxemberg square, 170 griven, i ve seen 2 very nice, young, slim tall girls. tried one, great value.

Dnipro, was a bit hectic for a day. there was nothing on the forum,, was ther for less than a day. just waled around, went to the malls and the bars on Karla Marxa (pleasant street to walk). have not seen any stunners on the street, everything s busy and pretty expensive, the city has money and you can notice. tried the grand hotel bar: dead. went to sleep early.

Took an aerosvit flight to kiev the next mornign operating a 40 yr old antonov 24. that was an experience.

Hecker

05-01-07, 11:29

I agree there are no stunners in Dnipro streets but if you enter one of the big shopping centers or visit a disco like Labyrinth you will see lots of stunners packed. Dnipro is like a miniature of Kiev, you see the same quality of girls Kiev used to have 4 years ago. Now many much better looking girls have come to Kiev to work. In Dnipro like in Kiev there is a lot of construction, shopping centers with every brand, many banks. Unlike in Kiev there are not many Mercedes etc on streets, more Ladas and girls are not dressed so provocatively. It is easier to find a model looking girl young interested than in Kiev since competition is less, however the girls on average hesitate more to let you kiss or sleep with them immediately in comparison to Kiev. Each town has advantages and disadvantages. For a lower budget Dnipro is better. For quick action, more spending I suggest Kiev. In Dnipro people like to rip you off but do not have the opportunity to do so (short taxi routes, everything in the center, no full hotels etc). Also for Dnipro russian absolutely needed. Without russian language you have no chance.

Hecker

05-01-07, 11:59

Au admitted what I wrote is true. It is not important if he is Indian or Arab. Probably he is Indian but the fact that he admitted (even bribes etc) shows he tells the truth. Other people simply refuse to talk or become aggresive.

I suspected he promises girls marriage to foreign men who in fact come for mongering. Now AU you write you actually do. This will cause harm to future people who will try to pick up in places like Lugansk. If a certain amount of girls will have been cheated to marriage, foreigners will gain a very bad reputation. The rumours spread easily in small cities and after a while Lugansk will be a place to avoid. Why scam poor girls? Of course some Lugansk girls scam foreigners who come for marriage. But why should foreigners do the same? We have a reputation, why destroy it?

I think this kind of behaviour is very opportunistic and harmful for other mongers and should be avoided. After all we should have some kind of solidarity.

AColonizer

05-01-07, 23:29

Hecker,

What is the correct answer of the following question:

10. In your country girls have sex on first date?

(Are you a normal person?)

Hecker

05-02-07, 12:44

This is not my test. These are qs ukrainain girls commonly ask. Sometimes they ask only a few qs and draw conclusions. Sometimes more.

Russian girls are smarter, do more advanced shit tests, can be more direct or complicated and do not speak in simple sentences. They are more challenging mentally.

The q about sex on first date comes if you ask her to come home with you. There is no single answer because if you say yes, it means that you are cheap and come from country without moral values, if you say no it means that you try to exploit a poor girl because in your country it is not possible.

Whether you say yes or no the girl can assume you are unstable because by yes, it means either you lie or come up with wrong girls or do not understand reality. With no it may mean you try to push things, or are insecure or anything you may imagine. These qs are traps and this is embarrasing.

I think a good tactic is either to avoid speaking directly, just lough a bit and change subject or give the same bullshit to them, that is if they ask you do girls in your country have sex in first date you answer, do girls in Ukraine have sex in first date? Then she faces the same problem and she will try to escape.

In general it is good not to analyse too much all this chick logic and take their tests seriously. What matters more are the hardcore facts, statistics, background, income, time, population, job, age.

Bez Bezarra

05-03-07, 00:38

Are there no beautiful girls in your country: I tell them there are lots of beautiful women in the US.... but I don't like the fact that they are losing their femininity.

What's the russian word for "femininity"?

Uke Boy

05-03-07, 00:47

Bez,

The magic word in Russian for femininity is:

женственность

zhenstvennost'

can't be translated any other way into English

Doctor_Skank

05-03-07, 08:17

What's the russian word for "femininity"?

UkeBoy was on the money... Женственность "zhenstvennost". Another word I like is привлекательность "privlekatelnost", which roughly means appealing or enticing.

For example, "you are enticing" would be "ti privlekatelnaya".

Bez Bezarra

05-03-07, 12:10

UkeBoy was on the money... ????????????? "zhenstvennost".

Another I like is "you are enticing" would be "ti privlekatelnaya".

Ok, so is this gonna work if I write them down, and I have to look at my cheat sheet to say this shit. If ya expect me to memorize these bad boys, you guys are suma che che!

Here's a good one that just happened on my April sojourn. I had 2 different "Marina's" that I was supposed to meet for introduction, and they both wanted to meet me at about the same time, though I tried to tell one to meet at 6:00 and the next one at 6:30. So the first one is calling me, saying that she is walking down the main street and saying the names of magazines that we are trying to meet each other in front of. Then I didn't realize that the other Marina is also waiting for me in front of one of these storefronts, as I am switching back and forth between the 2 calls both on my mobile at the same time. And you know how this goes, you start getting a little angry saying, "come to this store, that store, don't you know it, can't you see it, find it, bla bla bla!"

So as I'm speaking to Marina #1 on my mobile, I see a dyev on her mobile standing in front of the magazine, and I figure this is her, so I put my mobile in my pocket, but forget to end the call by pushing the hang up button. So this Marina who I'm now looking at is a total dud, as plain as any plain jane could be, absolutely average in everyway, just not interesting at all to me, so I as politley as possibly apologize to her and tell her I'm really sorry and thank her for coming to meet me, but that I'm just not interested in anything more and that I am going to just go my own seperate way now.

Normally, I might take this type to a cafe for a cup of chai, just to be polite, but since I had another dyev trying to meet me at the exact same time, I had to move on quickly in case #2 was a keeper.

Well as Marina #1 sulked off dissappointed that her new sponsor had just rejected her, I pulled my mobile out of my pocket and saw that the other Marina call was still in progress, and she was still talking! In fact she was probably listening to me as I was telling Marina #1 that I was so sorry that it wasn't going to work out for us!

So meanwhile it turns out that the Marina who is still is working her way down the street towards my location is actually now standing right across the street waving at me!

That's when it hit me and I realized that the dyev that I thought was #1 was actually #2, and that I had them reversed! I started to laugh and think that this is about as fucking crazy as anything I could ever dream up, and was just wondering if I was on candid camera or something, because this shit is too fucking weird to happen by chance, but that's really all it was. My own fucking shenanigans.

Turns out the second Marina was just as plain, and though probably fuckable, she really was hoping to bring me to her church group on Sunday, where an American missionary women has "nice meetings" of good girls that she thought I could meet for serious relationships.

While this actually sounded a bit interesting, I had to tell her that I'd have to do that next time since I was leaving on Saturday, and when I explained how lonely I was feeling and if she needed a sponsor, she said no. Oh well.

Hakan Demir

05-03-07, 16:12

Guys,

I will visit Yalta next week and need urgent help!

Where to stay, any pick-up places, clubs or etc.

Ash1001

05-03-07, 21:46

... church group on Sunday, where an American missionary women has "nice meetings" of good girls that she thought I could meet

God bless America :)

Bez Bezarra

05-05-07, 02:11

And Bok bless us with the dyevochkas.

Captain Fire

05-07-07, 10:48

I have been using the flirt.com website last few days and its quite surprising the response I have had. I put on my profile that I was visiting my city often and was foreign businessman looking for a lady to sponsor. 9 answers so far and 2 are definitely high 8's. My problem is that if they try to send me an e mail on hotmail or on yahoo, it comes in as gibberish. I am using laptop with Windows XP Professional and Office Professional. Anyone out there have any idea on how to set my computer up to receive other languages. It seems this problem is only with those languages not in western alphabet. Appreciate any help and if anyone else has had this problem.
Thanks to Robert Palli and Acolonizer for translation programs
Take care
Cap

Bez Bezarra

05-07-07, 11:37

Its the same with my western cell phone.

When I use it there, all sms can't be read, so I must tell them to write russian language but with roman alfabet. That should do it.

Doctor_Skank

05-07-07, 12:43

Captain Fire

05-07-07, 15:05

Thanks Doc for the info. I can read cyrillic fine on web pages, on documents such as attachments. Problem seems to be only in e mails coming in on message page. If it is sent as an attachment, I can open it and translate fine. Thanks for the infom and any other that anyone can give me.
Cap

Windows XP already has cyrillic font in it. You just need to enable it. Also make sure it is enabled on your browser so it can be displayed in the internet.

Essi

05-20-07, 19:46

And Bok bless us with the dyevochkas.Hi Bezz,

She is so cute.

Can you tell us from where?

ESSI

Bez Bezarra

05-20-07, 23:20

The cute foto model is a czech gal from Brno.

I think Essi we'll be speaking careful as her uncle was one capo boss in the organization of 'gray' business that does not exist. Probably you fellas may not want to invite these worries for yourselves. On the other hand, I really wouldn't concern because I always treat her like princess with respect and kindness, generosity and appreciation. But who knows these things?

She is a very nice girl, and she likes to have fun.

Latexian2

05-22-07, 00:48

Anyone have any information on Sumy? Places to stay, things to do, etc.

Five10

05-25-07, 07:11

Would someone please give me some info on best places to find girls in Niko?

I will be going there soon. I am interested in P4P action.

Thanks

Ok Farm Boy

05-30-07, 20:08

I am trying to decide which place to visit. What do you guys suggest? Thanks a lot in advance.

ClashCity

05-31-07, 19:30

I am trying to decide which place to visit. What do you guys suggest? Thanks a lot in advance.Nikolaev definitely. Try night club "Shtorm" for good F:M ratio.

Ok Farm Boy

06-03-07, 11:59

Thanks ClashCity. Does that club have p4p, or is it more freebie?

Bez Bezarra

06-03-07, 19:30

Nikolaev definitely.

For some strange reason, probably its proximity and the shipping and trucking that moves through there, Nikolaev has the second highest HIV rate after Odessa in the whole country.

Ok Farm Boy

06-08-07, 05:16

Where are the best places to pick up the pro's there?

And thanks for the info.

Ismael

06-13-07, 01:09

if you are a first time traveller to ukraine you can better avoid nikolaev. you really need to know the way if you want to succeed there. but if you need/want to go anyway i can recommend the following:

pro-scene:

1) in the evening you can go to dixie bbq. this is a restaurant, bar and nightclub with strip. it is situated in the centre on the corner of prospect lenin and sovjetskaya. after 22:00 some pro-girls are sitting at the bar. the girls striping in the nightclub are also available for all activity. i don’t know the prices, but i assume it is more expensive.

2) buy a local newspaper or a bazzar “mykolaiv” at a paper stand. there are a few private girls who are advertising in those papers. as far as i remember there is also 1 agency in nikolaev. the number you can also find in the papers.

3) for further pro-scene you really need to know some russian language. there are many taxi-drivers who can bring you to a girl. but most drivers do not speak english and the 95% of the girls do not speak any other language then russian.

freebee:

1) try the following clubs: delirium, illusion and shtorm. all located in the centre and the girl rate is high, like almost everywhere in ukraine.

2) go for a walk on sovjetskaya. this street is closed for traffic and many girls like to walk here to show what they got ;-). it’s a bit like kreshatik in kiev on saturday and sundays.

3) walk to the end of sovjetskaya towards the river. there is a little artificial beach made. from friday night to sunday night this is a nice place to hang out with nice little tents where you can buy a drink. easy to get in touch with the locals. many students from the ship engineering university come there during the weekend.

4) if the weather is nice go to the central bus station. it is located next to the zoo at the end of prospect lenin. take a minibus to kobleva (15 grivna, 1 hour drive). this is a village next to the black sea, between nikolaev and odessa. it has a nice beach and for ukraine standards it is considered as very touristical. it is the most popular place to go for nikolaev inhabitants. parties every evening and night, mostly on the beach and of course in summer season.

5) go to the place named “city center”. is located on prospect lenin. it is a big shopping centre like mandarin plazza and ukraina in kiev. it has also a big billjards place and a bowling. many young girls hang out here after 20:00.

food and drinks:

of course not so many restaurants as in kiev, but in central area you can find some good ones. on sovjetskaya you can find many ukrainian restaurants. also there is italian, french and german restaurant located. of course mc donalds is there too. on prospect lenin you can find dixies bbq (steakhouse) and the yekatoria chain (as almost everywhere in ukraine now) on this prospect there are also some nice restaurants with ukrainian kitchen where you can take your own food (buffet).
in the central area of nikoalev you can find a bar or café every 100 meters.

apartments:

renovated western style apartments you can find from $ 35,- up to $ 200,- depending on your wishes. for me always is the most important thing that there is guaranteed hot water, double bed, regular clean sheets and towels. my last visit i paid $ 40 dollars and i had a 1 room apartment, with all above mentioned. further there was air conditioning and a computer with high-speed internet connection. the kitchen was fine and had all conveniences. the bathroom was smaller and did only had a shower. there was a washing machine also. but for me it was ok. it was located 5-10 minutes walk to sovjetskaya and 2 minutes walk to “city centre”

poka poka

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Nufc9

06-13-07, 08:24

Hi Ismael. Great report.

What site did you book your apartment with?

Did you score with some ladies? Was sex a bit cheaper than Kiev?

Cheers,

Rob

Ismael

06-14-07, 14:06

Make your contacts on beforehand on for instance flirt.com. It is quiet easy to get contact. Also in the clubs it is easy to get in contact with the girls.

I did not do any p4p in along time. I’m more into the freebee action now. I like to have a nice girl accompanies me when I go to have diner or when I go for a drink the evening. Do this two nights in a row and almost sure you get laid.

I did not post about the girl I met in Nikolaev. I met her about 8 months ago and we have just great time together. She is 23. She visited me a view times in Kiev and she never asked me for any money, presents or travel expenses. Of course I give her sometimes a present out of myself and I also compensate her travel expenses, but she never asked for it. She is kind off my girlfriend now, so I don’t think it is appropriate to write about her on this forum.

I think that the P4P action in Nikolaev is a bit cheaper then in Kiev, but I don’t think that the difference is that huge. The industry, particularly shipbuilding, in Nikolaev is also booming. A lot of Japanese, Turkish, Spanish and Italian people are visiting Nikolaev for this reason. I think the 1 hour price will be almost the same ($40-$75). But I am sure an overnight stay will be cheaper. Maybe ($150-$250). Also on Flirt.com i saw some girls offering p4p in Nikolaev.

For an apartment in Nikolaev I can really recommend that you contact Victoria. Her website is www.nikolaevapartmentsrent.com All details you can find on her site. On other apartment websites you will find the same apartments but more expensive! If you book first time you must make a secure prepayment of $20 dollars.

Cheers

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CableCzar

06-17-07, 06:07

Hi gents,

I'm leaving for Lviv (from USA West Coast) on 19 June, and will be there for about 5 weeks. I loved my first-ever visit to Ukraine in January, but am tired of being deaf and mute without the language, so I'll be sitting in an intensive Ukrainian language immersion course in Lviv--look forward to it! I am assuming I'll emerge with some basic language skills if my brain isn't too ossified! Anyway, this forum was great for picking up some P4P tips in Frankfurt in January, and I am wondering whether anyone has advice to share about some discreet---or maybe not so discreet---opportunities in Lviv? I'the be happy to return the favor.- or if I have to find out everything on my own, I'the be happy to file a report here if the "state of the hobby" in Lviv is of interest to all. A beautiful City, with beautiful women, and hopefully in a few weeks I'll be able to do more than grunt and point at a book. Wish me luck!

HardLong

06-17-07, 16:26

Called 755.6619:

- Had 2 sessions with 3 girls. Need to speak Russian with them.

- The first session was with Liza, a 6/10 look, large breasts, well shaped body. I chose her out of a group of 4 that was sent to my hotel. Kissed her breats, sucked on them, rubbed her clit and pussy, while I fucked her in multiple positions. Got her very excited, very wild! And got her to cum also. After we went at it once, she said that she's in paradise!

- The second session was with Kristina and Diana. Kristina is a bit plump (just a little bit) and 6/10 look. Diana was very slim and a 5/10 look. Both have good sized breasts. Had a great threesome together. Each took turn to suck my cock while I played with their pussies and licked and sucked on their tits. Fucked each of them twice. Diana got really wild and came several times as I fingered her pussy and rubbed on her clit. I was fingering her pussy and she was very excited while I fucked Kristina, and then all of a sudden, she pulled me away from Kristina, demanding to be fucked! The final fuck was with Kristina, and got her to cum and I came after her.
Had a good time on both occasions.

Hakan Demir

06-18-07, 09:16

Guys,

Last week I was in Yalta, staying in Hotel Yalta. It was like heaven on earth. I had never seen so many beautiful and naked girls before. I love all EE girls. There were 20-25 working girls in the lobby from8 to 10. Fixed price was 100$/hour but after 2 am 50$ per hour. They were all like top-models but too professional (no GFE). Covered BJ. If you want something different like semi-pro action, just go to the square in front of Mc Donalds. Girls will reach you from6 to 9. Be careful they don't come to your hotel always to apartments. They can really be dangerous for foreigners. Cost 100$/night. Here is a photo of a girl I found near McDonalds. Name Julia 20 years old. I heart from locals that Yalta is much more better after exams have passed and students come for vacation.

Gentleman Travel

06-18-07, 17:17

Hi gents,

I'm leaving for Lviv (from USA West Coast) on 19 June, and will be there for about 5 weeks. I loved my first-ever visit to Ukraine in January, but am tired of being deaf and mute without the language, so I'll be sitting in an intensive Ukrainian language immersion course in Lviv--look forward to it! I am assuming I'll emerge with some basic language skills if my brain isn't too ossified!
There has been a lot of interest lately in language training and trolling at universities. Lviv sounds like a good option! Please fill us in both on the logistics and lessons of language training, and how the hunting for freebies goes!!

This is Ukrainian you are taking? Or Russian?

GT

CableCzar

06-19-07, 09:33

There has been a lot of interest lately in language training and trolling at universities. Lviv sounds like a good option! Please fill us in both on the logistics and lessons of language training, and how the hunting for freebies goes!!

This is Ukrainian you are taking? Or Russian?

GTUkrainian. Quite a bargain it is, I must say. I'll happily keep everyone posted on the freebie options! Happy trails to all!

Sponsor74

06-20-07, 19:31

Eros74

06-20-07, 20:05

....
They can really be dangerous for foreigners. Cost 100$/night. Here is a photo of a girl I found near McDonalds.
....

She doesn't look dangerous, she looks very hot to me! :)

And very good price too...

I think it was much better if I went to Yalta than Odessa last summer...

Thanks Hakan!

Have fun.

SeanOnTheRoad

06-26-07, 21:44

Ok Farm Boy

06-26-07, 22:33

I made some contacts via the internet and decided on Yalta 6th to the 9th, Sevastopol the 9th to the 13th and then back to good ole Kiev till the 16th. If anyone will be in those areas PM me and we can chase some women together.

Bez Bezarra

06-27-07, 12:01

Any services where you can meet a girl in an apartment where you can go to them?

Had my driver take me to two of these apartments, after calling the numbers in the newspaper. The quality was VERY low, in the 3 to 5 range.

At the first flat, I asked if any others were available and I was told, this is it, take it or leave it. I couldn't, they were just old, nasty, and very ugly.

At the second, one seemed like she might be barely acceptable, so I paid my $20. She took off her clothes and I almost vomited. I apologized for my revulsion, and told her to keep the $20, and I ran down the stairs as fast as I can.

Any organized P4P scene in Kharkov does not exist, if quality is what you seek. They're normal business must be with local drunk truck drivers, the kind that spread nasty diseases around without any concern.

Doctor_Skank

06-27-07, 12:23

Maybe Hardlong knows the answer to this one. Are there any services where you can meet a girl in an apartment much like you do in Kiev? Are there any services where you can go to them? Thanks for any advice you may have.

If you speak Russian, you can try this number for Kharkov:

"Хочу! Жду! Звони!
Мне 19 лет, рост 170 см, Вес 46 кг, бюст 2.
Интим-услуги: Классика, оральный секс. Все в презервативе без исключений.
Тел. 8.096-478-0650, 8.057-757-2741, Оксана. "

Bez is right though... although there is an apartment/salon scene in pretty much every Russian/Ukrainian city, their prostitution is difficult to navigate if you don't speak Russian and are unfamiliar with finding Ukrainian/Russian addresses etc. It's not "in your face".

Cruiser D

06-29-07, 00:50

A couple of years ago I and long lost forum alumni Traveling Male tried our hand at Kharkov. We hit the clubs at night and went to 4 or 5 apartments. The quality was so low I would take money from the girls if they wanted to pay me to fuck Bez. ;)

A place called Misto is supposed to be the River Palace of Kharkov.

Dr S is right, trying to find the places was hard. TM was mostly fluent in Russian at the time and we still had a hard time.

The city reminded me of a Rust Belt college town.

Bez Bezarra

06-29-07, 11:43

A couple of eager Kharkov apartment girls want to pay to fuck Bez. ;)

Eager beavers get the early worm.

Qjump

07-03-07, 14:42

Ok here goes:

I have now been here for just over three weeks, and to be honest have not paid once yet just for sex but have I bought some drinks, meals and other various freebies.

There a few really good non-pro pick up places a club called virus last wendsday absolutely jumping full of fabulous young devs, its free on that night for them to get in and boy do they come. pick up methods are a far cry from the west its amazing how a bottle of the local cheap champagne goes.

Also a strange one over here is every half and hour the club stops and a striptease starts!! what a place!

Last night I was in a club called Fort Knox again a young crowd I am 39 so felt a little like the oldest swinger in town, but its does not stop me. again a great selection and some real stunners there and adverage of 7's at leat and I have been know to be real picky.

There is also a club here called Chicago I have been in and they have a lap dancing area in the club I believ the girls will come home for the right ammount of $$$ I plan to go see soon, but whilst I am getting it freeish why pay?

A very happy Qjump

Uke Boy

07-03-07, 20:59

Qjump,

Good start, keep up the information flow as many here will then really appreciate it on out of the way places such as Donetsk.

Not that you should dip into your cash, but if you would be so kind as to find out for us what an hour or a night would cost with a local lap dancer (or, for that matter, with the local pros), that would also be helpful.

I am sure you would not mind too much going through the research procedure.

See, writing reports about your adventures isn't that difficult and may even turn out to be some fun.

Qjump

07-04-07, 10:52

Hi all well I have found some more out.

After a business meeting in the Donbass Palace Hotel and a few too many shots of hortiza I decided to have a few more drinks in the bar at the hotel.

Not really to my suprise there where six pro girls in the bar that I would rate all well above the 7 mark.

I got into a chat with them and discussed business they told be $100 fo a couple of hours or $200 for the night, strangeley they did insist it was real green backs and not Hryvnia.

Would I? Hell yes Did I? Nope way too much inside me so made my excuses and left with two phone number in case I become loneley.

The adventure continues.

Bez Bezarra

07-05-07, 03:17

Hi after business in the Donbass Palace and drinks in the bar six girls above 7 I told strangely no.

I Did too much sad excuses and left with one lonely adventure.

Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to monger through life, son. Now drop and give me 20!

Qjump

07-05-07, 08:35

Nice edit!

Close but not that close!

Anyway I called one of the last night and she just left.

Elena, 5, 8" slim dark haired about a c cup.

Did all BBBJ CIM Anal, arrived 9 last night left 8 this morning (to go to work)

All at the expensive rate of $150,I felt terrible discounting down from $200.

Q jump now sober

Timmy21

07-16-07, 04:20

I live in a mid-sized provicial city in far east Ukraine, last week I traveled to a smaller communiity: maybe 80,000 inhabitants or so, about a hour from my home. My driver told me about a certain location, kind of an isolated park, working girls will give a blow job for 15г, but if your member is dirty, they'll charge 20г, so the moral of the story, if you find yourself in a smaller city, always keep yourself clean!

Gaetan

07-25-07, 17:22

I just came back from Nikolayev. Very nice city, very clean, with very nice girls. A lot of possibilities ( unfortunately for me, i was accompanied so no interesting move was able to be done ). But went out to STORM disco, a lot of pretty girls more than willing to talk - and to American club - disco and bowling club. These are the two place to go at night. During the day, just walk around the city centre, and act normally. GOOD LUCK. No need to go for P4P.

Hecker

07-27-07, 17:09

After spending one week with a czech gf I returned to the land of the west Ukraine to meet the girl I had seduced three months ago.She is a blond,tall girl,20 y.o.After lots of BBBJs,sex without condoms etc and a traumatized penis of the overwhelming action I decided that I barely covered her needs as presented in her phrase ''I want penis''.This girl was really demanding.

She let me free only one evening when I managed to get two internet dates,though finding one of them having a bf and the other confining to kisses.Then the gf got back and unexpected things started to happen.My mobile was searched,messages from my polish and ukrainian acquaintances were found,the girl started crying and left the hotel.I was free again to date.Took a plane to Kiev.Met two girls from internet,managed to kiss only one.

Then back to the west after spending just 4 hours in Kiev.Banged a teacher,friend of a teacher I had banged 3 months ago,then she asked for a present for her birthday.In my opinion a penis was a gift that surpassed any other possible offer.So I told her to leave the hotel but she refused if I did not give her 50$ for birthday.I wanted to sleep,so I had to separate from this amount.

Next day the gf got back.After some hot sessions,new accusations that I sleep with other girls an absolutely irrational estimation.She leaves again in a rage.I meet three girls from Rovno on the street,they are more than delighted to discover the taste of Big Mac.Paying for three hamburgers I hug and kiss all of them.They had never eaten hamburger before and really appreciated the great taste.I invite them to the disco,they refuse not wanting me to spend more money.I enter alone,meet two other girls form Karpathy,have kino with one of them.She gives me phone number and invites me to a company meeting next day.Spending two hours in a cafe in the morning I managed to chat with two gorgeous girls who at the end did not give phone numbers.Trip ended the next day with a horror pass by of the polish border in a car accompanied driven by smugglers.It took me 7 hours to pass the borders.

I arrive in Krakow,girls of same quality and appearance or even better than the West Ukraine but no good response.The city is destroyed by the hords of foreign tourists chasing skirts and creating a very bad reputation for foreigners.I stayed two hours in Krakow with no success.Then took the plane back home.When I arrived a czech model was waiting for me at the airport having just arrived from CR.

So I stayed 7 days in west Ukraine,5 of them bound by freebie.

I will try to summarize my observations about the real situation in a next post.

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Ash1001

07-28-07, 23:19

Who's around next w/e for a pivo or 2?

Nolies

07-29-07, 04:08

Ash1001,

I will be in Nikolaiev around that time! Please PM me as this option is not available to me. Lets meet and chase pussy together.

Sarger30

07-29-07, 04:27

Hecker

07-29-07, 04:32

Some happenings in my last trip in Ukraine.

First day I was free of gf I visited a popular disco. Tons of stunning hotties everywhere. I start hitting every model looking girl but no success. Then a male strip show begins and after a while three girls join and start stripping. The crowd is delighted. I ask if the girls are proffesionals, they tell me they are part of the crowd. First time I saw regular girls exposing like this dancing on table.

Then I try to pick up a cutie who tells me she comes from Zaporoziye. I see no good response but her friends push her to me. I sit with her for a while, then leave, start sarging again, no success. I was surprised by the girls' unwillingness which I attributed to the fact that in July there were not many students around. I return to the same girl and ask for her number. She tells me I do not have a mobile, I sold it recently. I see the classic scam, though I offer for fun to buy her mobile. She agrees, so I beginn touching her bare legs and trying to kiss her. There was no alternative for this night.

Next day I rejoin gf, when she leaves again I get calls from the girl for the mobile. I date her, go to a cafe, lets me kiss her in mouth and touch her all over, I know everything is planned to simply get the mobile since

1. The girl came from eastern Ukraine where dishonesty and greediness is more extended due to longer communist rule

2. She did not show positive body language in the beginning

However I decide to buy her the mobile fishing just in case. I spend 150$. She gets it but refuses to get to my hotel. I have a date with a girl 185 cm tall who waits for me at the same time and sends SMS one upon the other, so I have to leave her. The girl never calls again. Conclusion: Rely on body language in first minutes exclusively and nothing else.

Second. I meet the tall girl in a restaurant where I was with the gf and the mobile girl the same say the one after the other. I relied on waitress' business and tip tact not to reveal anything. However the tall girl does not want to date me the next day telling that sb from the restaurant told her about the other girls.

Conclusion: People relations are more important than bussiness in this part of land. They wanted to punish me for arrogance or they simply sympathized with the girl. I could not penetrate the armour of west ukrainian pride.

Then when I was in bus station trying to find a bus to the borders a guy approaches me and starts talking ukrainian. I am in a hurry and want to buy ticket immediately. He stops me, shows me a police medal and tells me that police investigates for foreign person who tried to expand false money into Ukraine. He askes for my money to examine. I hand him what I have in wallet. Then when he gets it in his hand I realize by the way he looks at it that he is not a police officer. I grab the money, he refuses to let it. There is danger for the money gets torn. I am about to slap him in his face and get the money when another person who watches us intervenes and asks what is happening. He shows again his police medal and tells he is police officer. I make use of his distraction to talk and grab the money out of him. He is confused, starts telling excuses. When I am finally in the borders I realize that 100$ is missing. The bastard managed to get it somehow by a way I did not notice, maybe he pulled it between the other dollars. I was very upset. So never give your wallet or money to anyone. Police searches for documents, not for money. Prefer the train and not the bus in which stations are far more dangerous. Very important to speak russian, otherwise you may get in serious trouble if unlucky.

As for girls, I am sure July and August are the worst months to hunt. The only advantage are some girls who visit the cities from nearby villages in the summer for touristic purposes. Success rates are greater in April, May, June and September when students are in town and the weather is reasonably good. I came in July although I knew the above because my gf pressed me a lot.

I was also surprised that girls in Krakow seemed not to be in much better economic condition than the ones in west Ukraine. The difference is the polish boys who look much better and well off than ukrainian guys. In fact in Ukraine there is almost zero competition from guys in province. The other striking difference are the hords of tourists on the streets of Krakow who try to pick up girls in every way possible. Now they have created an obvious very negative view towards foreigners due to the silly methods they use.

The wages in provincial Ukraine stand about 1270 grivnia on average while in Kiev are double. This explains a lot. It is interesting that while in Russia and Ukraine wages generally increase during last year (in Russia they are about 500$ on average and possibly in Moscow they already exceeded 1000$ a month) in Belarus they fell slightly, so that Belarus economy now starts to be close to ukrainian level with slightly better wages and maybe worse in Minsk than in Kiev. So maybe this country will become a better hunting place since falling wages cause desperation. This would also be the trend in Ukraine in case it had a close economy like Belarus. Anyway it seems the major determinator is still the russian money coming from the oil prices and if the latter does not fall things will become more difficult in the future.

I still consider Ukraine the best place to get girls I have ever seen although the gap in availability of the czech and polish girls of similar or superior quality and the same type seems to narrow in comparison to what it was 2 or 4 years ago.

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Qjump

07-31-07, 14:04

Ok so I have now been here over six weeks and my take on it so far is very good both free and paid for in abundance.

Two weeks ago I ventured to a town yenakievo to have a look at the home town of the prime minister.

Whilst trying to get soemthing to eat I began to talk in English to three girls all of who spoke great English and told me they had all worked around the place including Cyprus, Swiss and also Japan.

They where so good fun I stayed five days did not pay for a thing and enjoyed all their company.

What a country!

Hecker

08-01-07, 02:08

Bez Bezarra

08-01-07, 19:14

Hi,

The largest cities in Ukraine are Kiev, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk.

The average salary in Kiev is double than Kharkiv or Dnipropetrovsk, so I expect the last two cities mentioned have a much higher potential for sarging.

Can anyone compare here these three cities in terms of easiness to get laid and/or get married? These are the 3 largest and poorest in the world with white skin girls.

Thx!

If you are young and attractive, and have a lot of time and money, and speak fluent russian, then you won't have any problem getting girls.

The more of these qualities that you lack, the more difficult it will be.

In the 1990's Kiev was easy. As has been said here repeatedly, those days are gone!

It may be large yes, but is NOT poor anymore. Sure there is still a large lower class of struggling people, but the attractive girls that would make themselves available to foreign guys are not so stupid to expect small payments. They know enough now to expect to get highly compensated.

You should know by now that's how it is in every capital city.

As for Kharkov and Dnipro, they have also changed a lot, but not as quickly. But the scenes there are also not what they were before. University students working for escort agencies used to get half of $25 for an hour of fun.

Those days are LONG GONE too.

You'll be lucky now if you can even FIND an escort service there, and if you do, they'll send you someone fat and 24 years old with one or two children and a poor attitutde. Much better off to find your own way. But that takes time.

As for Kharkov and Dnipro being largest and poorest in the world, this is NOT correct either. There are about 10 large cities across Russia that are just as poor or poorer. They are much harder to get to, much harder to find a flat, and so there are many less foriegn mongers there. In fact, if you actually get there, you may find that you are the ONLY foreign monger in town. But again, without speaking russian, mongering there is challenging, but if you speak some, and invest time, you will succeed. Trust me on that.

Ukraine girls used to be excited to meet english speaking visitors. Not anymore. In Russia, outside of Moscow and St. Pitr, they still are. That has not changed. Yet. Becuase of the difficulty to reach these destinations, it might stay that way for a while, but sooner or later, everything changes.

Get used to it. These are probably the last 10 years now. Sarge away.

Hecker

08-02-07, 05:26

The economy in Ukraine is strange. One part of the higher salaries in Kiev is due to inflated prices. Recently a survey of Economist showed that by Big Mc index Ukraine is the country where topical currency is most undervalued in relation to dollar, that is the normal exchange rate should be 2. 5 grivnyas for every dollar instead of 5 grivnyas that stands now.

In my opinion Kiev offers far more options but you need to spend much more. For example for apartment or hotel room in province you may pay 30-40$ per day, in Kiev minimum 60-70$. For a date in cafe in province 20-30 grivnya, in Kiev 70-80 grivnya. For a meal in restaurant with a date in province you need about 100-140 grivnia while in Kiev 250-300 gryvnia and so on. This means double or more expenses in Kiev. On the other hand you enjoy greater availability and more free attitude in Kiev. As for sponsoring in Dnipro I had the opportunity to sponsor two girls with 200$ daily, in Kiev 3 girls with 300$ daily.

I would choose Kiev over Dnipro or Kharkiv at any time. Dnipro has no advantage at all over Kiev. Furthermore the girls in Dnipro wait for presents that cost 300-400$ from first date without promising to sleep with you after that. If a girl in Kiev asks for this amount, you will for sure get laid or advance very quickly. In dnipro the attitude is generally very conservative in contrast to Kiev and this is obvious if you visit the city and watch behaviour of girls, how they dress etc.

Game in province is totally absent. In fact you need anti-game. If you try cocky and funny, negs or every other aknowledged technique, girls will freak out and lose trust. Moreover everything is hindered if communication is in russian.

You can applicate game to Kiev girls who also have a game. In fact most of the stuff is done by girls in Ukraine and not by boys. Boys have to behave either like real men, that is similar to ukrainians, russians or like western wussy providers. You have to pass a load of shit tests. Girls are a little primitive and culture does not count a lot like in CR or Poland. Money counts a lot.

I found the best way to come across is to look like total idiot to girls, be a kind of Forest Gamp and then problems get away. When girls start calling you a durak (fool) you are on a good way. If you start witty comments, framing, valuations etc you will be sweeped off and girls will start heavy shit testing and behaving obnoxious since they are the ones who are supposed to use these techniques. So the best in my opinion is a combination of AFC, dumbass style that creates comfort and trust to girls with a lot of physical angagement and inner game. The point is to confuse them and strip them of their defenses.

The more experience you get, the more you become like the local guys.

It is wrong to regard Dnirpopetrovsk, Donetsk and Kharkov as good hunting places. I would pay more attention to Mariupol, Lugansk from east Ukraine where the unemployment is triple than in Dnipro and the wages 25% lower.

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Ash1001

08-03-07, 06:12

Ash1001,

I will be in Nikolaiev around that time! Please PM me as this option is not available to me. Lets meet and chase pussy together.

Nolies, I think you need to subscribe to both send and receive PMs.

Ash

Cruiser D

08-03-07, 06:24

Hecker, you have game? Your suggestion is to act like a fool and throw money at the girls, ie a western wussy? Good strategy. ;)

Beakerh

08-03-07, 06:29

Could someone explain province for me is that area west of Kiev just the country.

Hecker

08-03-07, 07:58

Ash1001

08-04-07, 02:16

Just arrived at my flat Ul. Sovietskoya..

Who's up for something?

Qjump

08-10-07, 09:46

Qjump how many freebies did you manage to bed in 6 weeks staying in Doentsk? Did you fuck those 3? Do girls in Donetsk ask for presents or they come for free? Have you got internet dates,girls from disco or girls from internet? Have you been to Mariupol?Still here and will be for some time yet, off and on the next two years.

No I have not yet fucked any of the three, not that the chance has arisen just want them to introduce me to more devs before I strike!

Donensk girls I have met in clubs and also bars, being an ex pat I frequent a bar in the center called Golden lion, have met 3 gilrs I have had the pleasure of and also I am building up on having a go at one of the waitreses.

P4P hotel bars but with only three hotels here you dont have a great chance.

Last weekend I went to Burdansk (azof) with the three girls I met in Yenakievo, great fun just about got back on track for work today and its Friday.

Mariopul I have been there three weeks ago and it was not too bad but I was there on buisiness and had to endure a evening of crappy food and toasts with copius ammount of vodka.

Donentsk girls seem just to have some money spent on them in bars and restraunts not been asked for a present yet when I do I will report back.

Sean EZ

08-21-07, 02:13

Guys has anyone been to Crimea in the summer? I am curios about the ratios and attitudes, seems like everyone goes there to have fun. Language is not an issue (I speak good russian). Thanks.

Sevastopol1

08-21-07, 08:31

Guys has anyone been to Crimea in the summer? I am curios about the ratios and attitudes, seems like everyone goes there to have fun. Language is not an issue (I speak good russian). Thanks.

Sevastopol is full of Russian women until the end of the month, then it begins to slow down. The bars at Omega and in the city are full of single women and duos, I don't think you can fail if you are fluent in Russian.

Irish Lad

08-22-07, 02:18

Hello all,

Of course Kharkov is cheaper than Kiev, all cities in Ukraine are.

As Bez says however, the pay scene is very limited and English is hardly spoken at all by the agencies. You’re better off finding some "sponsor" girls on singles. Ru and negotiating a deal for the night or weekend or take your chances in the crappy discos on Petroskogo street. . Laguna and Oscars I think. There is a club with semi pros, but it’s 30 minutes outside the city, the name escapes me now but "Misto" is also meant to have some action.

I visited Kharkov before with a mate and hooked up with 2 girls for the night for $50 each. My mate fucked Natalie, AKA "Miss tits Ukraine" for $30 an hour. So this should give you an idea of expectations.

I had 2 bisexual girls from Kharkov come to Kiev for 4 days before Christmas for $250 each so the dollar goes much further here.))))

My advice would be to line up some "sponsor girls" for the night, more than 1 as they’re so unreliable, and if 2 or 3 arrive then "group sex" is always an option and line up some "freebies" for during the day, telling them you’re doing auditions for the position of "your girlfriend" which has recently become vacant. Let them know you’re meeting more than 1 of course. . But will cancel the other meetings "Maybe". . . They all know this "Maybe’ word!

Ash1001

08-25-07, 00:10

It's "mozhyet bit'" in Russian. But I'm sure 'maybe' works fine too..

Cruiser D

08-25-07, 12:29

I always thought maybe was Russian/Ukrainian for no or doubtful. ;)

Qjump

08-28-07, 08:35

Do you think I will ever meet her if i send her the credit?

Привет. Спасибо. Я предлагаю такие услуги: анал, орал, классика, орал можно без презерватива. Условия для встречи таковы-ты присылаешь мне код на киевст. на триста гр. на мой номер
8-098)******* смской с подписью своего имени, и после этого я сразу даю тебе адрес и ты приезжаешь ко мне. Если ты согласен, то когда примерно ждать?

Ismael

08-28-07, 20:08

Nope. It's another way to get some money out of your pocket and their mobile filled up!

Qjump

08-29-07, 09:28

I had guessed that just thought i would have a laugh and post it,
as it just amazes me that they are so money grabbing.

Crazyman007

08-29-07, 10:30

Dear All,

I am planing to visit Krivoy Rog in mid of September for business purposes. and I have a few days for vacation, and planing to pass them in the city.

Could you please help about this. Is there any good places you suggest to go. How can I be in contact with girls, noting that I can not speak russian or ukrainian.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards

Crazyman007

08-29-07, 11:16

Dear Guys,

In mid of Septmber i will visit the city of Krivoy Ro (Krivy Rih) for business purposes, and sure I will have a free time to enjoy my stay.

I would like to meet girls from the city, and pass good time with them.

Anyone could help about this issue. Where to go, any particular place. How much does it cost.

I would be gratefull if anyone could provide me with any informaion about this city.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards

Qjump

08-29-07, 12:19

I came accross this site: http://www.donintim.narod.ru/index1.html

I was wondering if someone can tell me are the sauna's just that saunas?

Or ???????

Irish Lad

08-29-07, 12:27

I always thought maybe was Russian/Ukrainian for no or doubtful. ;)Hello all,

My guess is that "No" means "maybe", "Maybe" means "yes, unless I am busy" and "maybe for sure" means "probably, but not definite".

However, when sex is involved, "No" the 1st time means "ask again" and "maybe" means "yes". Still working on this. Will revert.

IL

Irish Lad

08-29-07, 15:36

It's "mozhyet bit'" in Russian. But I'm sure 'maybe' works fine too..Ash,

Do you mean "может быть"? Yes? No? Maybe? Pedantic?

RedDog

09-01-07, 15:55

Hey,

I am curious if anyone has expearance driving to the Ukraine from Western Europe. I am planning a trip and wanted to know what paperwork I would need. Or advice on safty of driving in the Ukraine. I don't plan to drive far east so some tips on western cities would be nice too.

Hecker

09-02-07, 14:00

I do not advise entering Ukraine by car. There are two ways to enter. (I would exclude Transdnisteria). The one through Przemysl-Lvov in polish borders, the other from Kosice-Uzhgorod in slovakian borders. The main problem is not to enter (this would take maximum 3-4 hours awaiting in the border) but to exit.

The reason is the thousands of ukrainian and polish smugglers who pass every day from the one side of the border to the other and the opposite. They do this for a living but this means you have to wait at least 8-12 hours in the border due to strict control in polish side and the unwillingness of polish border personell to let many cars from Ukraine into. So this can be a nightmare.

Moreover I doubt if a car with foreign numbers is really safe in West Ukraine. There are lots of car thiefs and few safe parkings. In fact I saw very few foreign cars and they were mostly cheap cars belonging to Poles.

The best way to enter West Ukraine is by bus from Przemysl or Uzhgorod (horrible bus but does not delay a lot in the borders. It needs 3. 5 hours for both routes.)The best way to exit Ukraine is by train. (Train delays far less in the border than vehicles. Its delay is about 30 min and is in order to change some parts like wheels I do not know).

So you can go to Krakow by cheap airlines like Sky Europe and then take the fast intercity train to Przemysl. There is train to Przemysl every 1 hour from krakow Glowny. It costs 10 euro. Then take the bus from Przemysl to Lvov. It costs 2 euro. The train takes 3. 5 hours to arrive in Przemysl and the bus 3. 5 hours to arrive in Lvov. From Lvov you may go to Rovno, Lutsk or Ternopil which are the poorest cities of Ukraine. All these cities offer great opportunities provided you speak russian or ukrainian. If you do not speak ukrainian or russian you should go for more than 1 week to have any success or have ready internet contacts which 80% fail in the West.

I will not analyse the current situation in these cities.

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Ash1001

09-02-07, 23:04

"может быть" and "ya ne znayu" are the mainstays of any Ukrainian girl's conversation. Make sure you give it back to them :)

Hecker

09-03-07, 12:15

Kanesna means yes.Da means probably,maybe.Neznayou means no.Mozet byt means 90% no,I will do it maybe if you do sth to change my mind.This is the way ukrainian girls from internet contacts speak.

It is also important how they say it and what they answer to the question kak dela?If they say otlistna,xrasio with joy,you are in.If the answer to kak dela is nitsivo,normalnia or whatever with a slow,disappointed,obnoxious voice then chances are few or she wants to do sth for her to change her mood.You will see her mood change 180 degrees the minute you promise her a present.She will be delighted and talk enthusiasticly about everything.Slavic mood instability and loose ethics.Of course you will not buy the present unless she agrees to bring her girlfriend for an intimate night meeting in your hotel room.

Qjump

09-06-07, 09:27

Doctor_Skank

09-06-07, 09:32

Ok twelve weeks in and my findings so far.

First p4p

After first findings things where good, variation seems to be a problem.
I am using lovemy as a way to find p4p and also freebies, here it seems to be full of scammers on the p4p side.

Freebies

As long as you can speak passable russian you can meet and fuck girls pretty easy second date is the furthest i have had to wait.
also a pocket full of grn helps, I even scored a stripper from a nightclub here, very nice!

To sum up is it worth the visit for a few days? NO
Longer term visits YES

Thanks for the interesting update, and as for "To sum up is it worth the visit for a few days? NO, Longer term visits YES"... that's usually the case with the "other cities" beyond Kiev/Moscow/St.Petersburg. Especially if going to a city for the first time, it takes about 3-4 days to get on your feet, into the rythym and make initial contacts/follow up dates etc. 7 days is ok, but at least 10 days (incl. 2 weekends) is really when the pussy starts rolling in.

Keep on fucking on!

Hecker

09-07-07, 08:37

Reiner Otto

09-08-07, 15:30

hey iam curious if anyone has expearance driving to the ukraine from western europe. I am planning a trip and wanted to know what paperwork i would need. or advice on safty of tdriving in the ukraine. i dont plan to drive far east so some tips on western cities would be nice tooI recommend the entry from Poland. Exit no problem at all, I did it a few times already.

However, you have to carefully plan the timing for your trip:

You should cross the border from Poland to UA during night or very early morning, best is Sunday.

Which means, only very few trucks on the roads in UA, and, depending upon time of year, also very few small cars.

AND: You will be able to drive fast on the bad roads in UA, while recognizing the holes in the streets soon enough to react. Not advised to drive fast at night in UA.
You will also able cross the bigger cities in UA directly, because of low traffic. Saves you time.

And in Poland: On the road from Krokow -> border (UA) many small construction areas. So also a very good idea to be on that part of the trip Saturday evening/very early Sunday morning.

After Krakow, before border(UA) there are a lot of motels, prices start about 10E/bed.

So my trips from Germany (close to Dortmund) usually started Saturday morning, passing by Kassel, Chemnitz, Dresden, Görlitz (border to PL), Wroczlav, Krakow to arrive in my favourite motel about 80km before border to UA Late Saturday evening. 6-8h sleep, and then early to get up Sunday morning, to cross the border.

When going back from UA:

Try to cross border UA ->PL also late evening saturday.

I never expirienced very long delays. Similar to entry of UA: 1-4h.

Longer delays in high-season, July-August, possible, in case you arrive during daytime at border.

You should always have some small money in your pockets for the police, though. They will definitely stop you in UA, but it is not expensive to be too fast (20-30UHA, 2-3Euro)

Reiner Otto

09-08-07, 15:34

Qjump

09-10-07, 08:00

I don't understand Qjump.He had written after 3 weeks that he was in Donetsk that he had not fucked any freebie yet.And now he writes it is easy.

How much time is sb supposed to spend to lay a freebie in Donetsk?How many freebies did you lay and in how many days?

In provincial towns I visited you need to try really hard,be experienced and know the language to pull in few days.If you hit on 30-50 girls everyday,you have a chance to get a girl in 3 days.But to hit 30-50 girls needs a lot of commitement and most people are reluctant to do so.For me 10 days are enough in province.Actually even 7 days are enough but with 10 days you have more time to enjoy and do not get away with only one lay.

Hecker, when i first arrived here i was only looing for p4p as I am here working and don't really have the time to chase and handle calls all day.
BUT as my time here has gone on I have naturally met many girls and had the opportunity to have a go, numbers wise my hit rate has been pretty high as to the number of girls i have laid as to the number i have tried to have a go.
I was in the company of some locals last night and they are taking me out next weekend to see another way in the city, I will report back when I have done it.

Alphamale

09-14-07, 11:30

I was in Lugansk last month for a week while it was still hot weather.
I was impressed with the quality and quantity of girls. I live in Kiev and I am used to it but this was just as good.
I was only going for freebies, went to the nicest nightclub there which is not too bad called Pharon. $60 for two girls and I so not badly priced.

Working girls I did not really look for but went to a Sauna just to try as I had heard this is where to go for it and I was curious. Went to one which is recommened as the best, SKALA I think it was called, but was told they don't provide girls.
Another called Hoods??? Sorry, can't remember but located near a shopping center with the Electronic store called FOKZTROT.
They said they have girls and it was not very expensive but I did not have time.
Useful contact was a young Ukrainain guy who organises apartments and other things called ALEX, excellent service and nice guy, but no idea of P4P

Qjump

09-17-07, 07:25

Alphamale
Thank you
I was trying to decide to vsisit a few saunas here and was not sure if it was worth the punt, looks like what you said it is
Q

Irish Lad

09-18-07, 11:39

Discos. Stunning beauties can be found in disco Labyrinth, the perfect place for picking-up. There are 5 separate rooms with tons of extremely good looking slavic gilrs, so you can hit as many as you want without the others in next rooms seeing what you do. Quantity and quality of girls in Labyrinth surpasses by far any other disco. I went there two times and each one I ended with a statosteque beauty in my lap. The one of them was married and told me she wanted to divorce and settle with me. She reached this decision in the disco.Hello all,

Was in Labyrinth last Sunday. A quiet night there but some real beauties. F:M 2:1. I am told 50% of girls there available for p4p. $100 a night.

IL

Hecker

09-18-07, 21:36

I had been there in March,Friday and Saturday and it was very crowded.I do not know about the other days.I did not hear about available girls.I hit most hot girls,almost all and at the end I managed to get one each time.However the laast one,a tall brunette asked for present the next day.In fact almost all girls I dated in Dnipro except one asked for presents the first day we met.

Now I have arranged there a meeting with two girls who asked for 150$ for the whole night,maybe I will keep them more days,they are not pros.

I also arranged a meeting with a model like girl who also wants a present and promises some things,we will see.A lot of ***** mentality in Dnipro,you may try but it is touch and you need russian.All these girls speak only russian,no english at all.

Bez Bezarra

09-18-07, 23:33

Was in Labyrinth last Sunday.

You're referring to Heck's post on DNP from May?

You were there for biznis?

Uke Boy

09-18-07, 23:43

Bez,

It is in Dnipropetrovsk.

Irish Lad

09-19-07, 00:13

You're referring to Heck's post on DNP from May?

You were there for biznis?Yes, I looked back over previous reports to avoid duplication but felt the ratio and price information was of use to other mongers.

No, I was there visiting a girl. I try to escape from Kiev once a month for the variety. It was Dnipro's birthday on Saturday so it seemed a good time to go. It's also a good way of meeting girls for coffee that I've chatted to online. A 30 minute face to face chat in between "important business" almost guarantees her arrival in Kiev at a later date. It also doubles up as "face control" to avoid any unwelcome surprises.

IL

Uphigh

09-27-07, 12:40

Gents, I wish to add my two cents to the June 18/07 post by Ismael on Nikolaev (thanks for the great post Ismael).

Firstly, in addition to Ismael, big thanks to Ukraine posters Doc Skank, American Ukraine, Irish Lad, Roger Mellie, Hecker, Bez and numerous others who deserve to be mentioned by name but for whom I'm not organized enough to do so. Thanks to all contributors who have put helpful information on the board. This info moved me way ahead as I prepared for my trip to Ukraine.

As Ismael said, Nikolaev is a difficult city to visit if you speak no Russian. To give you an idea where I was coming from as you read my post, I am a 35 year old American who speaks no Russian. My visit to Nikolaev was in August 2007.

Also, I certainly agree with Ismael that P4P is tough to chase down in Nikolaev. I had a local translator available to me the whole time (who in addition to being an all around great guy was happy to make money by helping me find whatever I thought I needed, including P4P). I paid him 5 dollars per hour. The local rate for translation believe it or not is 10 dollars per hour, which is total bullshit, but I think it's this way because the translators barely ever get this work, so they figure that when they're working it might as well be a windfall, and most foreigners have no choice. By way of reference, I asked as many people as I could what the wages in Nikolaev are and it sounds like a lot of people work for 200-400 dollars a month.

So, the P4P. Going from Ismael's post, we grabbed the local papers. Here is the summary from a number of attempts on different days (by my translator of course). We could only find one agency that said they send girls to your apartment (and keep in mind that my translator also called his friends and tried everything he could think of). The first night this agency agreed to send a girl to my apartment but she never came. On all subsequent days that we called this agency they said all their girls were busy. So either they are very busy or just didn't want to come, I don't know. As I said, this was they only group we could find that claimed to be willing to come to the apartment. We found in total in the papers about 3-4 more agencies and about 4-5 private girls. So for everyone else the setup seemed to be that you come to an apartment that they had lined up, which I did the first night with one of the private girls. I know everyone's preferences are different, but for me it was a bit scary having to go to a strange apartment in the middle of the night in a strange city where I speak about ten words of the local language. Plus I don't find it all that appetizing to be in a "trick pad" that's probably been used for sex a few times that night and who knows how many times before. So anyway, to each his own but I'm not too crazy about this setup. Luckily it worked out ok for me, nobody robbed me at the trick pad or on the street as I walked home in the middle of the night. And the girl was sweet and had a good attitude. She was I would say mid-twenties with a so-so face but good body. However, the good news about P4P in Nikolaev is that it's cheap! I paid 150 UKR per hour (30 dollars per hour), and everyone we ever talked to quoted that same rate (although the sauna was a bit higher but better, see below). How great is that? I can barely get my hedges trimmed for 30 dollars per hour at home, so to get my dick sucked and whatever else I wanted (fyi did not ask for Greek, this may have been unavailable or extra) seems pretty damn good to me.

The next thing I tried was to get P4P during the day rather than at night. I figured this would be better, because then if I had to go to a strange apartment in a different area of town at least it's during the day and I'm not so worried about my safety. Well, we tried all the numbers on two different days and struck out completely. The all said because of work or school no daytime P4P only nightime.

Btw, Nikolaev does seem pretty safe, but I think you're always in a dodgy spot when you can't speak the language and don't know your way around. I was there for three weeks and I never felt uneasy during the day (however I was mostly on the main street near where I lived where there are lots of people), and I mostly felt safe at night. At night I also stuck to this main street. My translator did get robbed once while I was there in a dark area between apartment buildings (which is pretty much all the areas between apartment bldgs at night).

I did not try the Dixie BBQ. My translator said the cover is about 10 dollars so I figured why get my money sucked away on cover, drinks, lapdances, etc.

The last option in Nikolaev is the saunas. A sauna called Argo Finland Sauna was recommended to us. It is just off Sovietskaya, go down Sovietskaya towards the river and on the last street before the street with the gov't buildings and statue of Lenin take a right. The Sauna is a couple of blocks down with a pretty obvious neon blue sign (in Russian of course). How it works at this place is firstly you rent the whole sauna to yourself or your group (up to 4 people) for somewhere around 137 UKR (around 30 dollars) per hour. The cost for the sauna as described is not per person, it is for the whole sauna. They recommend that if you're also hiring a girl you take it for an hour and a half. Then each towel is 7 UKR (less than a dollar), and the girl is 200 UKR per hour plus taxi which for mine was 40 UKR. I think that was everything, so the grand total was around 450 UKR (just under 100 dollars). This place was very clean, very nice (three levels, with a sauna and cold pool on the first, billiards on the second and a fantastic room with a circular bed and a mirror on the ceiling on the third). The girl was fabulous, probably mid or early twenties with a great body, perfect skin and most importantly was sweet with an excellent attitude. She was a real professional, she was clearly trying hard to provide great service and she did. Incidentally, they said at the sauna that they could get girls during the day. My last comment is that once again I think this is something that you couldn't really do without speaking Russian (my translator arranged it all for me). Even though it seems like it would be simple to walk in with your phrasebook with the page open to the time of day words and the Russian word for girl, it just didn't seem that simple. The conversation about exactly when we should come, how long we should take the sauna for, whether the girl would for sure come, and the exact price breakdown seemed to be pretty long. There is no way I could have done it myself.

So there is is boys, the Nikolaev P4P experience from the eyes of a non-Russian speaker (but with translator thank god). Hope this helps. To Jackson and everyone who posts good information and pictures, keep up the great work!

Uphigh

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bez Bezarra

09-28-07, 12:11

Very good work son, for your Cherry-pop report!

Also, good to hear that you did not let your translator take advantage of your need. Just goes to show that while there are always those who attempt to take us for all we've got, there are also some who aren't greedy.

For example, I still rely and deal with one non-greedy "travel" agent in my base of operations that I met in 2000, and have worked with him and only him every year since then for certain requirements. By this time, I could certainly get some things done without him, but I am, if anything, loyal to my komrads.

Your difficulties are spot on, especially about lack of weekday daytime p4p company being available. This is the greatest challenge. One of the best surprises I EVER had though, was an agency I called every afternoon throughout the week, and was told every time that no girls were available, but just for the hell of it I called again on Sunday at noon, and lo and behold an hour later, 3 nineteen year olds showed up ready to tag-team orgy me into oblivion! I quickly figured out that, of course, they were at their institute classes Monday through Saturday, and only had time and opportunity on Sundays to earn financial aid. And yes, they were only asking about $35 each for the right to fuck my brains out, though that was the basic wham-bam package, no extras. And unfortunately, they declined my request for a full length lesbi-show feature video. I did however, take two of them on, though one at a time. By the time I had regained my ability to hook up with the third one, she was long gone. Oh well.

That's why, and I think the Doctor can agree, though he's usually mixing biznis with pleasure, that during those weekday afternoons, its best to pursue as many normal girls as possible, by just chatting them up in shops, cafe's, anywhere you spot a cute thing. The down side to that is speaking the language enough, so if you can't, its practically hopeless, because out in these cities and towns, the cuties speak no english. But if you can develop that strength, it does allow for other avenues.

HOWEVER, this difficulty of finding p4p in Ukraine cities during the weekday afternoons is NOT what you may find in glorious Mother Russia. There is, if you mongers are not aware, still a substantial difference between the real true motherland, and the FSU countries, and this is definitely one of those areas.

Perhaps we can get into a little discussion here, why agencies are so much more prevalent in Russian cities, but not in Ukraine? For one, I do not understand this. And I don't mean Kiev, I mean the other cities, though even in Kiev, where do the agencies advertise other than What's On and Kiev Post, who has, by the way, cut out 90% of their agency ads.

Can anyone explain why agencies have absolutely no advertisements in russian language papers, in a city of 3 million russian speaking Ukrainians?Yes, sure its easy to get into Ukraine, no invitations, no visas, no police registrations, but the p4p is so limited. And in Russia, and again, not Moscow or St. Pitr, the ads are NOT in english papers, they are there for the locals, NOT yankee and brit tourists.

Qjump

10-05-07, 06:59

Bez,
I agree in what you say on agencies, here in Donetsk I am yet to find one.
Ukraine has a funny attitude and apart from Kiev, they seem to be very low key to the point of silent on P4P.
Strange in a place where many girls I meet who speak english tell me they have been abroard working in many other countries. And strangely thye see nothing about it but yet here they play the innocent.
Recently I was out with a girl who wanted to speak in my dreadful russian instead of her perfect english as she did not want to explain to anyone how she speaks so good english.
My business partner who is local has phone numbers for some pimps who will send a girl at the drop of a hat, but I have not yet witnessed the action yet as everytime we plan it something stops us in business either I have to be somewhere or he does, I will report back as soon as I have witnessed it, I plan to take pictures also.
Even on the Lovemy website there are loads of P4P girls but again here in Dontesk there are some but will they reply? NO! the only ones that do are asking for phone credit up front just scammers basically.
If anyone has alink to a website to an agency here in Donetsk I will willingly test it out (for the good of the Forum you understand)
For dating freebies I have started a system of lunch dates as a first date then If i believe its going to get going they will get a dinner date, this week I have been busy every lunch. and its Dinner for one lucky contestant tonight.
She has asked to see my place already, that always helps!
Q

Bez Bezarra

10-05-07, 11:47

My business partner who is local has phone numbers for some pimps.

The hotel security, and the disco/cafe waiters knew some numbers to call. So again, how does one find these numbers to call??????

Qjump

10-05-07, 12:14

The hotel security, and the disco/cafe waiters knew some numbers to call. So again, how does one find these numbers to call??????

Thats really what I am getting it it seems to be a closed shop, locals only need to apply.

Street Sleuth

10-05-07, 16:44

P4P outside of the main cities of Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Kiev is minimal, and hidden. Unless you are into the adventure of snooping them out (they do exist, but you have to dig real deep), then its a waste of time.

Basically, girls don't want their friends/family to find out they are working girls - inevitably, in all but the biggest cities, they would find out.

Additionally, pretty much throughout EE, the locals all want to move to the big 3 cities. Any young, decent looking girl can earn enough money in P4P to live in the big cities. Why would they stay in small/mid-sized towns, scramble to find business (fewer available clients), risk their friends/family finding out, and generally continue to live a miserable life, when they can move to the big 3, earn more money, and work anonymously?

If you've been through working girl scene in the big cities, and as a general rule as the girls where they are originally from - they are rarely from the city itself.

Eros74

10-05-07, 21:29

Uphigh you are very good, if you was able to resist 3 weeks in city like Nikolaev where I got boring in couple of hours last year.

Great report, I agree, but how do you kill the time waiting for the next sex session?!?

Maybe next time try to ask also to taxicar, when I went to Uzhorod, smallest then Nikolaev, I was totally satisfied and no hassles to get pussy by taxi, they pick up 3 girls in the front of my hotel, no need to call.

Do not you have some pics to share with us?

Cheers

Bez Bezarra

10-06-07, 17:46

P4P outside of the main cities of Moscow, St. Petersburg, and Kiev is minimal, and hidden. Unless you are into the adventure of snooping them out (they do exist, but you have to dig real deep), then its a waste of time.

Basically, girls all want to move to the big 3 cities. Any young, decent looking girl can earn enough money in P4P to live in the big cities. Why would they stay in small/mid-sized towns, and generally continue to live a miserable life, when they can move to the big 3, earn more money, and work anonymously?

I think it really depends on what you mean by digging real deep. In the local newspaper, there is one agency advertising. When I asked 3 different taxi drivers how I can get a nice girl, they all gave me the same business card, and it was for that same agency. That's the agency I tried calling every night, and they always had the same answer, "only one girl available, 25 years old, 2 kids, 57 kg, take it or leave it!"

But where I think you are off just off track, is when you say "why would any hot girls stay in their smaller city?" Just walk around any city, and there are endless numbers of hot looking women, so they're not all going to Kiev.

The other thing you are forgetting, is rule number one, as explained to me by every Ukrainian guy I've ever met. ALL women in Ukraine, from 18 years to 118 years, can be bought. Its part of history, and that life is not gone, not yet anyway. So it really doesn't matter to them about going to Kiev so they can be anonymous, if you can be discreet, which in Ukraine ain't that tough, since nobody cares what anybody else does, then a little hanky panky sponsorship is no big deal. For example, I hooked up with a 19 year old through a mamachka a few years back, and she gave me her number. When I called and asked her to come back, she brought her own mother!! That's when I realized that it was her mother who answered the phone, that the girl didn't bring her mother, her mother brought the girl! In the doorway of the apartment building, her mother asked me to pay. I was worried that somebody would see me handing her the money, but nobody could care less what we were doing.

As far as wondering why they would stick around living a miserable life, most will tell you that its the only life they ever have known, and so to them its normal, not miserable.

Cruiser D

10-06-07, 23:39

It's kind of like saying - I really can't understand why good looking girls wouldn't want to move to Kiev, Moscow or St Petersburg to be a w hore, life would be so much better. Really, do I have to say anything else? Or are you saying all the good looking p4p girls eventually end up in these cities?

Bez, saying all Ukrainian girls are for sale is like saying all Ukrainian men are drunks (did they mention that too?) and all American guys are stupid.

Doctor_Skank

10-07-07, 00:18

The other thing you are forgetting, is rule number one, as explained to me by every Ukrainian guy I've ever met. ALL women in Ukraine, from 18 years to 118 years, can be bought and paid for.

I've heard this too... usually from Ukrainian guys that aren't getting any pussy at all and are jealous of guys that are... usually guys with zero money and no motivation in life to get ahead jealous of those with money and enjoying life.

Sure, money is an aphrodisiac... but not every Ukrainian woman can be bought. Believe me, I've tried!!

:)

Bez Bezarra

10-07-07, 01:14

I like saying

all Ukrainian girls are for sale

all Ukrainian men are drunks

and all American guys are stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, Gomer. :p

And Doc, I wasn't trying to start a debate, but what ever you tried, you just didn't have all she wanted.

Believe ME, if you did, she would have given it up.

Don't forget the history of this part of the world. 72 years of totalitarian control without freedom preceeded by hundreds of years of serfdom doesn't just dissolve out of DNA in 20 years.

Doctor_Skank

10-07-07, 12:44

And Doc, I wasn't trying to start a debate, but what ever you tried, you just didn't have all she wanted.

Believe ME, if you did, she would have given it up.

Don't forget the history of this part of the world. 72 years of totalitarian control without freedom preceeded by hundreds of years of serfdom doesn't just dissolve out of DNA in 20 years.
I hear you and I agree that there is a healthy degree of truth to that statement, but I am simply too romantic to believe that every woman can be bought.

Then again, I'm not exactly the kind to offer the kinds of sums of money that might make me "interesting" enough.

For me it's also a defense mechanism... the moment I become callous enough to think that all women can be bought is the moment I question the very nature of the game... and I fear that I'll lose interest in playing.

Seeing as I love the game the way it is and love playing it, win or lose, I'll happily stay in my naive world of pseudo-romance and appropriately applied bouts of genuine (even if usually temporary) affection.

Bez Bezarra

10-07-07, 14:30

Doc

I'm in your corner, and our monger philosophies are concurrent.

I was really just trying to illustrate the viewpoint of the Ukrainian guys I've made acquaintance with. They all seem to have the same outlook on their women, and they were not drunk or jealous or broke or short on motivation or not getting pussy. I beleive they were speaking from experience and the general motivation of their women folk as it also relates to what they've been taught by other men folk about the culture of the motherland. If you think like a Ukrainian, you don't have the highest regard for the female gender.

This shouldn't surprise anyone, especially when you consider the same outlook of their Arab, Asian, and Latin counterparts, whose regard for women is markedly lower.

Excess

10-07-07, 14:41

Doc

I was really just trying to illustrate the viewpoint of the Ukrainian guys I've made acquaintance with. They all seem to have the same outlook on their women........

Much merit in the discussion, but it also neatly if backhandedly points out why there are the 10's of thousands of girls/ladies in the Ukraine and elsewhere in the FSU paying their hard won 'dues' to be listed on the "Marriage Agency and Dating" sites looking for an escape from the males' mentality described.

Many have tried but few succeed as in most of life's endeavours.

Street Sleuth

10-07-07, 20:13

CD - no, I did not mean to suggest that all hot girls move to the big 3 cities - I meant (and think I made if fairly clear), that any hot girl WILLING TO WORK P4P would move to the big 3 cities. There are plenty of hot girls to be found outside the major cities (though not nearly as many), but they are likely not willing to do P4P. IF they were, they would have probably already moved to the big cities. I don't think this is that hard to comprehend, but if you want to keep arguing, just for the sake of arguing, please continue....

I also do not agree that all women in EE can be bought. This is a majorly false generalization. I'm not romantisizing, or defending EE girls. Just stating the facts - many girls are actually in fact much more morally grounded than Western women. For every 18 year old P4P in Kiev, there's a 22 year old virgin in the countryside, who won't give it up for any (reasonable) amount of money.

I've met many a young P4P in Kiev - most are from outside of Kiev, and all say they came for the same reason - they would never do what they do in their home town.

As for finding a Mammacka, or negotiating with taxi drivers, in offbeat towns - not really a possibility for non-Russian speakers, or those with minimal towns.

I stand by my statement - P4P is fairly minimal, and hidden, outside the major cities.

Street Sleuth

10-07-07, 20:17

Further to the point that any of the small town girls can be bought, if one is discreet:

This goes to suggest that any dirt-poor girl will give it up for money, if things are discreet. I generally find the opposite to be true. The poorer people are, the less material wealth they have, generally speaking, the more pride they have - namely, because its the only thing they have.

Disagree? Go to any Indian or Chinese village, where the average income is less than $1/day, and try to get laid....

Street Sleuth

10-07-07, 20:25

Excess is spot on - I was going to make the point, but then he beat me to it.....

Yes, the guys in EE are generally A**holes. That's the number one motivation for the EE women to seek foreign guys. Its not for the passport, the visa, the money, etc etc - 90% of them really are just looking for a faithful guy that will treat them well, build a family with them, etc.

If it were just money they were after - there's plenty of that to be had in EE. So, yes, from the viewpoint of EE men, most women can be bought, because most of the women they deal with are in it for money. The more sensitive, deeper women won't give them the time of day, and are fleeing as fast as they can...

Ash1001

10-09-07, 00:31

... a faithful guy that will build a family with them ...

And isn't a site like this full of such guys ;)

Street Sleuth

10-09-07, 22:20

And isn't a site like this full of such guys ;)

I was going to mention in my original post that I wasn't necessarily one such guy...but then, I figured, isn't that already obvious?

Reiner Otto

10-09-07, 23:30

A very famous Russian guy, Mr. Sadornov, said: "Our Russian women sleep with the guys for money, but they love the men for their poems".

Having more than 10 years of expirience in Russia and Urkaine, I have to say: Yes, he is right.

Unfortunately, I am a bad poet.

Bez Bezarra

10-10-07, 04:29

Mr. Sadornov is right.

Unfortunately, I am a bad poet.

Fortunately, I'm not.

Explorer69

10-14-07, 01:41

Bez Bezarra

10-14-07, 12:37

Hotel clerks, taxi drivers, and bartenders, as you already know, should be your initial contacts until they introduce you to one or two mamachkas.

Reiner Otto

10-14-07, 20:27

Bez Bezarra:

Then what are you doing here on the board?

As a good poet in RU/UA you will have a harem, changing the staff every day for free.

Street Sleuth

10-17-07, 11:46

I have contact with a girl from this city. She is afraid to meet me in Kiev or Odessa. Since she is a great looker, I consider to go to her for a few days. I don't expect to get her in bed the first day. Is there any information about clubs, strippers, P4P is Zaporoizhe? I would like to have have some alternatives when she leaves me in the evening and I am very horny?

Agree with Bez - outside of major cities, the only surefire way I know of to find working girls is through cab drivers. Beware, though - cab drivers uniformly have bad taste....

Bez Bezarra

10-18-07, 05:44

Bez Bezarra:

what are you doing here on the board?

You know, you're absolutely right.

Laslo

10-19-07, 15:21

In the Love Club part of the Labyrinth look for Lianna. She speaks English and is looking for P4P. She will go with you all night for $200. She is Armenian. Do not giver her number or she will call you all the time wanting to spend time with you and make more P4P.

I had been there in March,Friday and Saturday and it was very crowded.I do not know about the other days.I did not hear about available girls.I hit most hot girls,almost all and at the end I managed to get one each time.However the laast one,a tall brunette asked for present the next day.In fact almost all girls I dated in Dnipro except one asked for presents the first day we met.

Now I have arranged there a meeting with two girls who asked for 150$ for the whole night,maybe I will keep them more days,they are not pros.

I also arranged a meeting with a model like girl who also wants a present and promises some things,we will see.A lot of ***** mentality in Dnipro,you may try but it is touch and you need russian.All these girls speak only russian,no english at all.

LazyLazy

10-22-07, 00:58

Hi Guys,

I'm a student stuying in the Crimean State Medical University, Simferopol.

Here in Simfi they have quite a lot of Strip Bars to choose from.

But some of them really sucks and the strippers really pissed you off by snatching your money from your hands and chase customers home like they can't afford to pay for the services.

While some strip bars have girls that look like my grandma and still dance around with saggy boobs.

We finally found one good strip bar located in a VIP Club called Kashtan.

Girls there are like angels and treat you with good manners

Lastly, I hav a question for the pros.

Is it possible to pay a stripper for sex?

SlutLover

10-22-07, 13:10

The suggestion is not to throw money but to hide that there is game.

To do exactly the opposite than sb would do with a western girl.You have experience you know what I mean.

For example if you use pick up lines like tell me who lies more,men or women,or do you think Bon Jovi is hot,EE girls will get confused and lose trust.

But if you simply ask are you from Kiev for example(a usual question) the willing ones are more likely to respond.

I noticed some of the stuff advised by dating gurus was what ukrainian girls told or did to me,so there is an inversion,girls do the game in Ukraine and foreigners are supposed to be nice and not bad boys.You are nice if they think you are fool.If they think you are bad chances to lay are reduced.

The usual conversation with ukrainian girls would seem extremely boring to western girls and put sb in the beta category.Hecker posted this quite a while ago, but I still think it may be worth adding my five cents.

I agree that DeAngelo is not very useful in provincial Ukraine and is geared towards the US urban environment. But remember what he wrote about very handsome guys - to leave aside "cocky and funny" until the girl is satisfied that he is not in the "typical arrogant handsome guy" category. Now the main selection criterion in Ukraine is not looks but success, usually in terms of wealth. Girls know that if you are a foreigner you have many candidates that would marry you in a second.

There are two problems here, though.

The first is, she is insecure and thinks you may only want to have sex with her. This is why she responds positively to a romantic, good-guy attitude (it is THIS attitude that distinguishes you in Ukraine, given Ukrainian men's attitude towards women). Your credentials as an alpha male in a Ukrainian context are already pretty much established. It's the other way round in a Western middle-class environment - there are a lot of "nice" guys around but not enough "bad boys" that attract a hot woman's attraction.

BTW, being romantic doesn't mean eating out of her hand or playing the fool. That would hurt your wallet and delay the lay.

In my experience, romantic + touchy-feely in slow increments usually gets you there fastest.

The second problem is public opinion. One-night stands appeared taboo even in medium-sized Ukrainian cities such as Lvov. You can invariably make out with the girl the night you first met her, but this often seems to backfire as she may wake up the following day thinking she has ruined her reputation. Especially here in Lvov I'm somewhat mystified - I had a number of cases now when the girl was all over me during the night but didn't return my calls the next day (note: I know it's better to wait a few days before I call her but I just haven't got the time as I have only a few days here in Lvov). Her image problems are much worse if she does this with a foreigner than if it is a foreign guy. The situation in Lvov was such that some sober girls initially seemed put off by foreigners. A girl's friend, who clearly seemed to like me, nevertheless said (to the other girl, in Ukrainian, thinking that I would not understand) that she was ashamed because everybody would think she was having an affair with me due to me being a foreigner, and that it would reflect badly on herself as her friend.

Sometimes I felt I was better off pretending to be a well-to-do Estonian. Also, don't necessarily overdress: think of the crowd seeing a local girl in an embrace with an unknown guy in a sharp suit. Take high-quality stuff that isn`t conspicuous miles away.

The above applies to Ukrainian cities with around 700,000 inhabitants. In places such as Berdyansk (100,000) you will find that all your actions will be public knowledge the following day and that the girl's reputation is affected by her dancing a few inches too close (while not actually touching anything apart from your hands and shoulders!)

Finally, I may add that if you have anything else to offer apart from being a foreigner (good dancer, funny conversation) this greatly increases your chances as she can then believe that she got to like you for your personality. In fact, if you have personality/minimal dancing skills/sophisticated conversation at all you are likely to outdo most of the Ukrainians I have seen in my travels.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

SlutLover

10-22-07, 13:17

Lazylazy,

What's the current freebie situation in Simferopol? How easy?

Monsoon64

10-22-07, 19:39

LazyLazy

10-23-07, 19:07

Sex with strippers is a definate Yes

I have been to Yalta and all girls where avaialable

In KIev too. They had rooms available but it seemed that unless you asked you did not get.

But you best bet is to get a phone number and negotiate outside of the strip clubs. Dollars speak volumes

Is it possible to pay a stripper for sex?Thanks for the tips MonSoon64.

But how to you ask them if they offer "that service" straight up? Or you offer to take them out for dinner and stuff. Sry if that's a stupid question but I'm not yet an expect in this field.

Qjump

10-24-07, 06:35

So last Sunday I eventually went to Chicago nightclub in the center of Donetsk.
Its mostly a normal nightclub but up stairs there is a strip area.
I was the the club with two girls i had taken there, I left them talking and went to explore.
On entering the small strip area there where three girls just sat around doing nothing as it was empty.
When I entered a tall good looking girl (8) came to chat and in here second sentence she told me sex was possible in the private dancing rooms $100 !!!!!!
Before you tell me it is too much I know but and its a BIG but I was horney and got the feedback off the girls I had arrived with where not going to be game for some fun this month.
So I had a go and to be honest it was very good not the best but very good not mechanical but pretty good.
Anyway after a good 40 mins I left here and returned to my dates for the night who where dutifully waiting for me downstairs.
They had a laugh that I must have met a nice girl etc etc but did not seem too bothered and to cap it off I ended up going how with one of them and my pervious feelings about NO fun was on the cards was well out of tune.
The strip area is open from 11am weds, thurs, fri, sat. and so I will return today to have another go and see what is on the cards today just for the forums full undertanding you understand!

Will report after my visit later today.

Q

Tommes34

10-24-07, 13:19

Monsoon64

10-24-07, 18:40

Double Lazy!

From experience be straight. In Club Mexico in KIev. There was a room which was availble for sex. But I only stumbled upon it by mistake. Most club girls will not offer sex to you- but if you ask you will be surprised.

One thing is that much depends on the time of night. I would say 2am onwards is the best.sometimes you can negotiate a release fee so the girl can leave early. Other times you wait until her shift is over.

Then when you alone with her at your place you can negotiate other visits. I have managed this in Denmark, Poland, Ukraine. Girl make little money on private dances. Its the extras that keep them in room and rent.

I wish you success. Remember if you do not ask then someelse will for sure.

Qjump

10-25-07, 08:15

I meet last night with Valeria von Oxana Donetzk Escort.

She is pretty and kind. She does everything I asked her to do for me. BBBJ was great. I booked her for overnight, and I sleeped in her arms. It was an great night for me. The Service from Oxana was great. http://www.ukraine-escort.info

If you need once an Escort Girl in Donetzk. You can use this agency.

Tommes

Strange that as I had an email regarding her yesterday saying:

" I´m sorry, but Valeria will not work anymore until Monday"

But hey what do I know? I have been trying to get a girl off this site, but it seems hard to me. (some of the girls shown are in fact working in Kiev).

Try http://www.ukraine-escort.info/Escort/valeri/donetzk_escort_valeria.html

who I have seen on a few sites working in Kiev?

Or has she moved?

Perhaps I am being cynical here but as a first post you could not be the owner of said site? if so hello Oxana !

Should you try and look after me and supply me one of the girls you show then perhaps I would have reported properly on your service.
To save you posting an obvious plug.

LazyLazy

10-26-07, 20:53

Once again a big thanks to Monsoon64.

Thanks man you got me pumped up and ready to ask.

LOL

Never try never know?

Will report back as soon as I had my 'lucky night'

This forum rulez!

Romano V

10-26-07, 22:11

Donetsk is 988 000 inhabitants in 2007, a big city of eastern Ukraine.

Katya : (I give her phone number in PM)

70 $ for an hour - 100 $ 2 hours and 200 $ for the overnight.

Member #4369

10-31-07, 06:10

Qjump

10-31-07, 10:30

DoctorOral

11-01-07, 02:19

Can anybody please share experiences?

Thank you!

Oxana Donetzk

11-01-07, 18:47

Strange that as I had an email regarding her yesterday saying:

" I´m sorry, but Valeria will not work anymore until Monday"

But hey what do I know? I have been trying to get a girl off this site, but it seems hard to me. (some of the girls shown are in fact working in Kiev).

Try http://www.ukraine-escort.info/Escort/valeri/donetzk_escort_valeria.html

who I have seen on a few sites working in Kiev?

Or has she moved?

Perhaps I am being cynical here but as a first post you could not be the owner of said site? if so hello Oxana !

Should you try and look after me and supply me one of the girls you show then perhaps I would have reported properly on your service.

To save you posting an obvious plug.Hello Paul,

I'm sorry about our big misunderstanding.

When I check our stats I found this thread and thought I must try to answer you. As Tom also sayed to Steve, we are normaly don't make escorts for some hours. We aktuelle arrange Adult Vacations in Donetzk, and you are right, we work also with girls from Kiew, Dnjepopetrovsk and many other places in Ukraine.

Paul, I tryed do offer you an girl for your first business with us. I gave you the mobile number from one of my partner, so you can answer him if you are interested or not.

It is not easy for us, to make short arrangements. Sure we have some Amateur Girls in Donetzk, but they work in other jobs too, and first we would ask them if they are interested in an meeting or not.

If I remember right, I offered you Nadja or Tanja, both girls are really pretty, speak good english an offer an good service. And I wrote you, that I will not be in office early enough, so please call my partner if you are interested or not. And you aren't kind enough to send him an short call.

In this kind we reserved for you our apartment so you can meet with the girl for an hour. And you are not sending us any message (just mail, I will get 2 hours late) that you are not interested.

I will tell you again, we have amateur girls all the time, but the Highclass Escorts, you just can meet, if they finish an job (adult vacation in Donetzk) before they go back home.

And in this way, it wouldn't be possible for me, to work with you as an businesspartner.

I don't know about your business in Donetzk, but i'm sure, you will work well with your partners, and we also try do to so.

Please try to understand that.

Kind regards.

Oxana Repnik

Oxana Donetzk

11-01-07, 18:54

greetings, Gents.

This site mentioned below for Donetsk http://www.ukraine-escort.info doesn't seem to work:

The local number is disconnected

The Austrian number connects you to a very nice guy who explained to me the girls listed are only available for weekly bookings, they don't do short term.

If anyone had luck with this site for evening bookings, please share how it works/how you negotiated it.

Merci,

RoPickleHi there,

Thank you for the nice guy in Austria. Tom would be glad to hear this.

We know that our provider had problems in the last day. And as you are talked with Thomas, we are providing Adult Vacations in Donetzk with girls from Donetzk but also Dnjepropetrovsk as Kiew and Kharkov.

And Thomas told me, he tried to explain you, that you can meet with some of the Highclass Girls just if they had an job in Donetzk and not for one hour booking.

We will try to make our Website new, and also in English, so you could understand our service. We can inform you when one of this girls is in Donetzk, but they aren´t there the hole year.

Kind regards,

Oxana Repnik

Cruiser D

11-02-07, 22:39

Oxana, my German is a bit rusty so excuse me if I make a mistake...2990e for a long weekend? 3290e for a week? and 12990e for a weekend? In Donestk? Are you quite mad?

Viking offers Russian girls for much less on a Carribean Island with a private villa.

Uke Boy

11-03-07, 14:12

Cruiser,

It's not only the price that is out of whack with what may be available for almost nothing in Donetsk. It is also the fact that the two ladies, Julja and Nadja, are two of the ugliest ladies I have seen ply their trade, at least online.

From what I have been able to see and deduce, even the naked bodies, not just for these two ladies but for all the so-called ladies on the site, are clearly fakes.

No surprise that this is another major rip off site that is dishonest and not worth anyone's time let alone money.

Uke Boy

11-03-07, 19:29

Oxana,

I saw your site and the two legitmate girls you actually show are, to put it kindly, not very attractive.

In addition, the photos of the naked bodies that are supposed to correspond to the ladies are also fake. I noticed a serious mistake in one of them with one of the two girls mentioned above that proves it is not the girl you claim she is.

I now challenge you to show us the girls - ALL OF THEM - here or on your web site in all their full glory, faces, bodies and all. No hiding anything - bodies and faces must match.

Until you do that, you are nothing but a typical scammer who deserves nothing but scorn for your rip off practices.

Bez Bezarra

11-05-07, 12:22

This forum rulez!

This is surely the sign from above that the apocolypse is upon us.

DoctorOral

11-05-07, 17:54

Can anybody please share experiences?

Thank you!I am flying this week. So please stop being so silent about Lvov... if absolutely i HAVE to, I would also go for more than a massage!

Abdul Cabbar

11-05-07, 20:57

Hi

Last summer some of the forum members told me Yalta is good place for mongering. It s completly wrong place is very dangerous (most of the streetwalkers are thief)and all people very rude, they hate foreign people.

Ash1001

11-06-07, 00:29

P4P of any kind is very low profile in Lvov - everyone seems desperate to project a clean, Western image.

You could try Club Split as a starting point. It's a fairly upmarket lap dancing club in the centre of Lvov.

I think asking Taxi drivers is your best bet. They're a pretty honest bunch by and large - because fares are set by the city council - and most will speak Russian, if not English (BTW don't speak Russian to the local girlies as they will pretend not to understand. Stick to English if you don't know any Ukrainian).

Hecker

11-06-07, 10:16

I had some disappointing p4p experience in Lvov. Generally the pros' appearance is not the best especially comparing to the astonishing local girls who walk everywhere. The price is about 50$ for an hour.
My gf made me delete every phone number of pros, so now I do not have their numbers. Some girls work in appartments and some come to hotel you stay. Hotels are girl friendly.

For ordinary girls I recommend disco Millenium in the center, especially Tuesday and Wednesday when there is ladies' night. Every Wednesday I made out with a different girl and the girls there are really hot.
I also recommend disco Metro, also very popular and full of astonishing girls, somewhat less high class than girls in disco Millenium.
For people who want ordinary student girls of low income, there is disco Picasso, smaller than Metro and Millenium but also interesting.

I had some incredible adventures in disco Millenium where a girl told me to kiss her girlfriend, so I started kissing them both while fingering one of them having picked up them only 30 minutes ago. Another time I was holding hands of two models 183 cm tall, the one was caressing my hand over the table while I fingered the other under the table and both laughed. And that one hour after I had sayed farewell frenchkissing another girl in the same disco before she took a taxi home. This girl had seen me caressing her blonde friend's legs before while another girl was waiting for me to get her number. And all these girls were under 20 years old and hot. These were times two years ago. Now the situation has a bit changed to the worse.
Also it is possible to speak russian to girls,it is no problem,they all speak russian but it would be better to avoid speaking russian to taxi drivers and in shops and prefer polish which sound like ukrainian.Girls in Lvov look exactly the same as polish girls in Krakow,they just have a bit thinner legs.Overall astonishing beauty.

Club Split is a rip off.I was seriously ripped off there by two girls in an unforgetable experience in which they made me spend almost all money I had with me.They ordered shampagne and exotic dishes and then came the bill which was over 850$!I could not protest at all,I was trapped.So I spent the rest of 3 days of travel in a tight budget.The slavic situation.The one moment king with two girls in my lap spending crazy,the next moment struggling to save every grivna.

SlutLover

11-08-07, 21:45

Hecker

11-08-07, 22:40

Exactly this is the case in western Ukraine.There is good relation between money spent and quality of girls while in Kiev you may(or you sure) overspend for what you get.In daytime there is daygame on the street which is more difficult in Kiev.
Anyway in Lvov you need to make an extra effort and be experienced,there is not so much money talking like in Kiev but on the other hand you get beautiful girls spending less on dates.

Doctor_Skank

11-08-07, 22:45

Regarding Lvov:
I was there for a six days in October and wasn't too impressed by the freebie situation. You just need too much patience for my taste - I don't like waiting for 2 dates. I am 30, average-looking, fluent in Russian and tend to score at least 4 freebies a week in Moscow or Kiev. So why get bored in Lvov (the centre is beautiful but will only keep you occupied for a day)? But then, if you want to take your time and go for the real hotties at relatively moderate expense for dinners, etc., then Lvov may be a good option.
I am not sure what drives people to try their luck in the regions... in terms of freebies, it doesn't get easier than Moscow and Kiev... but you are correct that running costs are lower and there is less competition. Then again, there is a LOT less available as well and in the regions and your hunting schedule is often reduced to 2-3 days a week, whereas in Kiev and Moscow there is good action at least 5 days a week.

It isn't all about which clubs are open and which not, it is often about which days of the week the girls can and will go out. In the regions I find they all tend to concentrate their social schedule to the weekends, whereas in the capitals it is quite easy to get mid-week and even afternoon scores, freeing up your weekend schedule for more action.

Hecker

11-09-07, 12:33

Doctor_Skank

11-10-07, 03:17

So I prefer regular days to stay in province and weekends to be in Kiev.
Hmmm. Guess we will have to agree to disagree... :)

RedDog

11-10-07, 07:35

She is also posting on Kijiji I personally think that it is just to high priced. There was the escort service in vinitsa that had a much better price and showed the face of the girls. The idea I like but personally I think you could do better finding a friend in skype or with a taxi driver and have them make some arangments for you.

Bez Bezarra

11-10-07, 08:42

In regions the girls usually have less work than girls in Kiev.

In province most are unemployed and have time during the whole day.

What is definetely better in Kiev is the weekend because many girls are free then.

In province during the weekend many girls have arranged meetings with friends,so they are more unavailable.

Ok, relax! I'm only giving ya a hard time because in my experiences you're both completely bollocks. 90 per cent of all girls all over are either working or going to institutes, it doesn't matter where they are. And the ones that aren't doing either are asking me to sponsor them to GO back to school, or asking me for a job with my company. Of course, I always offer them a position, usually doggy ;)

As far as hunting schedules, it doesn't seem to slow down, except from about 2am until 11am, they pretty much leave me in relative peace. The rest of the time, regardless of what day, they are hunting ME down like a god damn dog. :D

And then as far as weekends in the provinces, there's just as many free girls there, and they must be just as available, because all the meetings they are arranging seem to be with ME!

Or maybe I just finally got this shit figured out?

Hey, you know? Fuck it! That's all I got to say, 'cause I ain't even goin' back next spring. Why should I when I got free tix back to the heartland, where more deep throat lolly-pop sucking psychology styudenkas await.

Doctor_Skank

11-10-07, 13:19

The rest of the time, regardless of what day, they are hunting ME down like a god damn dog. :D

"Old Spice" or "Brut" by Faberge? :)

Bez Bezarra

11-10-07, 13:25

I think its more like the "Axe" commercials!

(yeah, right! like, in my dreams?)

Qjump

11-12-07, 09:55

Ivanba

11-22-07, 02:26

Greetings,

I will be visiting Lviv and would appreciate some tips on the seen there. Escorts, clubs, or sites are all of interest.

I've been there before, and visited the strip club at the casino in town (i forget the name). Great looking ladies but none seemed interested in side work :).

Thanks for the help.

Hecker

11-23-07, 22:07

Pros in Lviv are a disappointment.I do not recommend them.They charge 50$ for one hour but they are not as good looking as girls walking in the street.

The good thing in Lvov is the potential for sponsoring.I have had two girls who I bedded only because they were waiting for me to buy them some present as they told me later.The one was lesbian and wanted to bring her girlfriend if I bought her a mobile phone.She was a stunning blonde beauty,24 years old,nobody would believe she did one night stand joined by girlfriend for only a small present.

The other girl came with me to hotel 5 minutes after first meeting.

She is still in Lviv and has the same phone number.She is 174 cm,22 years old,very thin with long,black hair.

She speaks only russian.

SlutLover

11-23-07, 23:44

From my experience the opposite is true.In regions the girls usually have more free time due to less work time and more common unemployment than girls in Kiev.The latter have time in week days only after 20.00 which means only 2 dates with different girls on the same day maximum.In province most are unemployed and have time during the whole day.

What is definetely better in Kiev is the weekend because many girls are free then and the nightlife and club options are much better than in province.

In province during the weekend many girls visit their villages or have arranged meetings with friends,so they are more unavailable.But in Kiev you can have 4 successive dates for example on Saturday let's say between 13.00-15.00,then 15.15-17.15, then 17.30-20.30 and last 21.00-22.30 and at the end be free to visit any club packed with hotties.So I prefer regular days to stay in province and weekends to be in Kiev.

The successive date method works very well on Kiev weekends, true. And although you may have to work hard to fill all the weekdays in Kiev (Internet, etc.), I found it easier overall than in the provinces. BTW, I had the impression that compared to Kiev, more weekday dating is to be had in Moscow. But that may be because I spent a longer time there, and after a while you have so many numbers that everything falls in place by itself (laws of probability!)

Plus, in Kiev, as opposed to the provinces, there is always a reasonably full club you can fall back on after the date. I had to endure a lot more "I am a good girl" talk in the provinces than in Kiev, and a lot more of it in Kiev than in Moscow. On the plus side, being a foreigner is an asset in Kiev, while in Moscow it does not really help that much these days. Fortunately, Moscow girls are sluttier. ;) Recently, many Moscow girls are really just out for adventure. It is a more honest deal from both sides, and more fun IMHO.

I have not really seen the Russian provinces, though, and little is reported about them on ISG. Are they similar to the Ukrainian glubinka? Or is the freebie scene a bit wilder? Say, Nizhny, Kazan, Ekaterinburg, Novosibirsk... or smaller places like Perm or Tyumen.

DoctorOral

11-27-07, 15:44

Zero six: A city with 5 names and no ambiance. Oh well. 3 days in Lviv, I stayed in Opera Hotel. Which was nice and empty.

Six fourfour: I wandered the streets, they were dark and scary.

Five six: I talked to 50 taxi drivers since I did not see and nice girls on the street. And not in Metro disco. Yes, it was not weekend time!

Three seven: All taxi drivers provide you with numbers, and I have some I can hand out. But I had two guys take me to these numbers (to the numbers apartment) but I did not like what I saw.

Five: The problem really is that no one speaks english. So any driver you talk to, you need to make funny curves in the air and give them a small tip. They do understand.

Stip Club Split is like a small cozy livingroom, some girls are sexy, some are not. The private dance is good, or bad, depending on the girl, but even if you get to stick your tongue in her snatch during the dance (I found only one that allowed that. And I was puzzled she did. And she even cums in the 10 minutes you have for the dance and she is wet all over, she will not come to your hotel or apartment.

So actionwise, Lviv is pretty dead compared to other places in Ukraine. Hotel lobbies are dead, and the hotels tend to lock their doors after midnight. So the walk of shame and the tipping for security needs to be on your mongering schedule when you stay in a hotel in city center.

DoctorOral

11-27-07, 22:06

Of course I forgot plus three eight in the beginning when I first saw her - since my jaw dropped. But again, she did not speak a word of english!

Zero six: A city with 5 names and no ambiance. Oh well. 3 days in Lviv, I stayed in Opera Hotel. Which was nice and empty.

Six fourfour: I wandered the streets, they were dark and scary.

Five six: I talked to 50 taxi drivers since I did not see and nice girls on the street. And not in Metro disco. Yes, it was not weekend time!

Three seven: All taxi drivers provide you with numbers, and I have some I can hand out. But I had two guys take me to these numbers (to the numbers apartment) but I did not like what I saw.

Five: The problem really is that no one speaks english. So any driver you talk to, you need to make funny curves in the air and give them a small tip. They do understand.

Stip Club Split is like a small cozy livingroom, some girls are sexy, some are not. The private dance is good, or bad, depending on the girl, but even if you get to stick your tongue in her snatch during the dance (I found only one that allowed that. And I was puzzled she did. And she even cums in the 10 minutes you have for the dance and she is wet all over, she will not come to your hotel or apartment.

So actionwise, Lviv is pretty dead compared to other places in Ukraine. Hotel lobbies are dead, and the hotels tend to lock their doors after midnight. So the walk of shame and the tipping for security needs to be on your mongering schedule when you stay in a hotel in city center.

Ash1001

11-27-07, 23:59

I think Lvov - sorry Lviv - is trying very hard not to be UKrainian. They think they are true Europeans, hence sex is not to be served up too obviously. The girls are all self-consciously 'good' and expect to meet with you several times before doing anything.

Hecker

11-28-07, 02:08

You have to struggle, to make an effort. If you think you are going to let your member hanging out in the center and the girls will rush to lick it, you are going to do nothing. It is not a fixed situation. You have to work it out, to build it the way you want.

P Bear

12-10-07, 18:41

I will be in Donesk and Mariupol the next to the last week in March. If anybody is going to be there at the same time- would like to get a PM. Also, if anybody has some digits or leads for these areas- (as Ross Peroit said)- I am all ears. PM me. My taste runs to the "spinner" type and I am not much for the bar scene.

P Bear

Lazywaste

12-13-07, 00:13

Hello gentlemen,

This is my first post on these forums so I will hopefully add some information on Nikolaev.

First some info on me. I have never done the p4p thing in Ukraine, although after finding these forums I sure as hell want to now. My interest is actually in finding a good Ukrainian woman to marry and this was my 3rd trip to Nikolaev in the past year so I know the place fairly well. Being that I was interested in meeting a serious woman for a relationship I never before tried the p4p thing in Nikolaev, but then I read the posts at an internet cafe and wondered myself. So here is what I found out on the last day I was in Nikolaev.

#1. There sure as hell is plenty of p4p in Nikolaev.

#2. While asking a taxi driver about night clubs he asked me straight up if I wanted a prostitute (they also know the spanish term seniorita). He gave me his card and if anyone wants his number I'll go find it in my luggage as I just returned 2 hours ago. The key here is that they need some notice guys. He said that I could not get the one he knew that night, but on my next trip to give him a call, I did tell him I was leaving that night and did not have much time. (not sure if its more than one girl or a place with a selection)

#3. The Dixie night club. Guys this is a definite p4p hookup place, with one very important fact. Not during business. I will recap my night for you all:

Dixie has a 30 uah (6 dollar) cover charge. Guys if you can't afford 6 bucks to see some titties you shouldn't really be in the p4p game anyway in my opinion. If nothing else you'll have the chance to just relax and see some interesting people and maybe make some new friends.

I went into the club 2 nights prior and just tipped some girls and enjoyed the show. The girls dance on stage for 1-3 songs. If they do a topless song it will only be 1 song, if they do not go topless it will be 2-3 songs. I would say about half of the girls will get topless and the other half won't. These girls do not get tipped much at all, so if you make the effort to tip them they will appreciate it and remember you. The 1st night I was there only 2 men tipped women that night, I was one of them. The other guy was a drunk ukrainian that tipped 5-10 uah (1-2 dollars) on some women. On the flip side I tipped 20 or 50 (4 or 10 dollars) depending on how I liked their dance to just about every girl. Now who do you think they payed more attention to?

The 2nd night I was in the club the waitresses notice me checking out the menus. There are 5 menu's gentlemen. 2 drink menus, one food menu, one menu in ukrainian for the services provided by the women and one in english call the Crazy Dixie VIP menu. It list what the other menu does in Ukrainian. The services are actually very very descriptive in what they provide: IE: lapdance no touching. Lapdance touching. You get the idea. They also have the following off the top of my head prices of the ones I did:

Lapdance - $10 dollars
Lapdance VIP Room - 2 songs she is naked + you get to touch her - $40 dollars
you get naked and she is naked - touching/no touching
you shower with one girl for 20 minutes
you shower with 2 girls for 20 minutes
you have all dancers get naked while you are clothed (did not do this one) - $200 dollars
2 girls naked going at each other and you - $100 dollars

Again. You get the idea. All of the services asside from the shower events are 2 songs long. Roughly 5-6 minutes and the menu reads specifically at the bottom that any prices in the VIP room you negotiate with a girl are up to her and you. IE: you can get some play in there but 2 songs isn't enough time and you better speak some Russian or its a no go.

The 1st girl I got a lapdance + touching would not let me touch her cooch even after I asked her how much to do so. She would only let me rub her mound. Heck I didn't mind that. But I was doing research for you all to see what flew and what didn't. Lapdance + touching girl #2. She was more forceful and let me do just about anything. After the first girl said no to cooch touching I am sorry to say I didn't try to rub hers. I regret that now. Anywho. I then did a 2 girl's nude going at each other and me at the same time. This was alot of fun and they actually gave me 3 songs and took my hands and placed them all over their bodies. Also a key to remember is to tip the girls after each event. I gave 50 uah (10 dollars) and they loved me for it and it showed up in the 2 girls nude dance. As I had to grab my taxi back to Odessa in 30 minutes I didn't have time for any more fun that night. But I will tell you this. I could have bagged both those girls that were in the 2 girls at a time dance that night. Easily. All 3 of us were into it and boy can they grab some cock and love it.

Some other info for you on the basic layout of Nikolaev:

The main drag is Sovietska Street which is a closed street to vehicle traffic. It is cornerstoned by the Dixie BBQ/Night Club and McDonald's. If you go towards the river doen Sovietska St. You will find a park about 5 blocks down on the left and an internet cafe and movie theater on the right. To get to the movies you neext to go to the next cross-street and walk around where the access to the theater is located. Continuing down Sovietska towards the river you will come to a major 4 lane intersection. If you look to the left you will see the Government building and a statue in the courtyard. Immediately to the left of the Gov building you can find the fine arts theatre. Its actually a nice looking builing but I have not been inside. Now looking straight you will see the small golden domed chapel where many people get married. The to the right of the the war memorial with a natural gas burning flame just like President Kennedy's over here. Going straight towards the river you'll run into about 4 little beer tents and there will be a kid's park to the left. Restraunt and spa to the right. As you look across the river you'll see the main bridge and looking NW you can't see it bu there is a massive park called Liberty Park on the left side of the road passed the bridge. Its supposed to be high in crime but I walked it for an hour and didn't notice anything bad. On the right side of the road is an old outdoor military vehicles museum. Nothing too impressive. So thats the rundown on Sovietska St.

Now to the crossing street that Dixie splits with Sovietska. I forget the name of this street but its Main street #2 if Sovetska is #1. There will be 2 lanes on each side of the Dixie.if you stand at McDonalds and look at Dixie you'll want to turn left as you get to Dixie. About 5 blocks down the road will be a Japanese restraunt called Yaketoria. This is an excellent place to eat if you know zero Russian. They have picutes and english on all their menus. As you walk into the restraunt remember to seet yourself and the hostess will bring your menu. Click the little black boxes when you want something otherwise they leave you alone. It will make a chime when you click it. In the back, passed where you see the men chopping up the sushi to the left you can go to their movie theater and eat while you watch a movie in Russian. Interesting and fun if you have a date or just want to see it.

Continuing passed Yaketoria you will continue about 4-5 blocks and on the left you will see the City Center. If you buy anything in this place with the exception of the grocery store then you are a fool. The grocery store has anything you could ever need, but I must warn you that fresh produce in Ukraine is what we would refuse to sell over here. The fruit is ussually going bad and I recommend if you want fresh fruit to buy it from a street vendor. It is much more fresh. Just remember to wash it guys. Now if you continue to walk in this direction you'll hit the next intersection and see immediately left a church. Can't miss it. If you turn left in front of the church you'll eventually come to club Storm. I'd say about 6 blocks down. This is a major chick hangout.

Which leads me to my 2 final points. I meantioned everything in blocks because I walk it. Its not far and if you can stomach walking for 10-15 minutes you'll lose 10 pounds per week and I'm not kidding. Taxi Drivers will charge 10 uah per about 15 blocks of travel. You should never pay more than 20 uah unless its really far. And always negotiate a price before you get in if you can speak a bit of Russian. Or just pay it like I do reguardless of what they charge because I speak zero Russian aside from thank you and yes/no. Hope that helps gents.

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Bez Bezarra

12-13-07, 13:52

This is my first post.

My interest is a Ukrainian woman to marry

this was my 3rd trip to Nikolaev

There is plenty of p4p.

a taxi driver said that I could not get the one he knew

The night club 1st girl would not let me touch her cooch. I didn't mind that.

I did girl #2 I didn't rub hers.

I did a 2 girls and my hand placed over their bodies.

I gave 10 dollars and they loved me.

I didn't have time for any more.

I could have girls easily.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Sure you guys will attack me for saying this, but this post is so pathetic, I couldn't have dreamed up a more ridiculous attempt at mongering if I tried as hard as possible to write the most inept loser for getting laid.

Ok, sure this guy is trying to share lots and lots of info, but is this actually a lesson in exactly everything one should NOT do?
Are we congratulating posting lots and lots of USELESS RIDICULOUS info?

Sorry, but to me, its the joke of his bragging that there is "plenty" of mongering to be done?
Plenty? A taxi driver knows "one" pro, but she's NOT available.

The "club" has "anything" available, but one girl says no, the second girl he doesn't try to touch, and then its time to go.

Oh wow! That's so much mongering, my head is spinning! I need a rest after that.

Yeesh!

Waste Product- we would really much rather hear about your 3 trips working on finding your wife, and how it went with those girls. Unless your success in that area is the same zero level as you did mongering, which we suspect that if you are such a loser in the p4p game, then we get it now, why you made absolutely NO mention of the main purpose of your traveling to a super shit hole like NIK, and also why you made NO mention at all of your 3 times in Odessa.