Phnom Penh

[Pak Mike]

Have swung by Walkabout a few times over the weekend, and was quite busy with lots of guys but very few pickings of gals.

A good little bar with a few nice gals is the Goden Vine. Street 108 near corner with Street 51 (next door to La Marmite restaurant). Have enjoyed a few good nights here with one particular favourite gal.

[Bartchamdo]

Long time lurker 1st time poster:

You need to find Panda Massage. That's all I'm giving away.

Happy hunting.A quickle google search shows that there is a panda massage on street 240, somewhere within a block of st. 51. $8 for massage.

I've heard that there are massage places with happy endings near what Phnom. Basically I was told to go to any of the massage shops on the roundabout that encircles what Phnom.

(That's Whisky-Alfa-Tango - W-A-T Phnom. This site automatically changes the word to "what".)

[Noobmonger]

Long time lurker 1st time poster:

You need to find Panda Massage. That's all I'm giving away.

Happy hunting.Wow, confirmed.

Just popped down there on your recommendation. On corner of 240 and 55. 8 bucks for an hour massage and anything else is between you and the girl.

With no mention of money she gave me an awesome massage and a mind blowing hand relief. The things she was doing with her hands. Wow.

After she very nicely cleaned me up with some wet towels I gave her a 10 dollar tip.

I did over hear another massage that was already going when I got there. That guy sounded like he had a pretty good time. After the massage I heard him ask the girl for her number. Didn't hear if he got it.

Just in case it was anyone from here then Hi, nice to meet you.

[Pak Mike]

Dropped into Cyrcee (Street 49, near Central Market) , a heap of gals in this place who will have their hands on your dick before your beer arrives and make it clear that their main game (single, two or three girls) is a short boom boom in a nearby hotel (just over the road). Heaps to choose from, so probably a gal for every taste. My choice started to look not so good in the cold hard light of the hotel room ($5. 00) , but had a load to let go so got on with the job.

Nothing too flash or sophisticated here, but gets the job done.

[Hatguy]

Dropped into Cyrcee (Street 49, near Central Market) , a heap of gals in this place who will have their hands on your dick before your beer arrives and make it clear that their main game (single, two or three girls) is a short boom boom in a nearby hotel (just over the road). Heaps to choose from, so probably a gal for every taste. My choice started to look not so good in the cold hard light of the hotel room ($5. 00) , but had a load to let go so got on with the job.

Nothing too flash or sophisticated here, but gets the job done.Good report thanks. Heading over there tonight maybe with a mate. Last night I had a stunning girl from HOD. REALLY good performer and dancer in the club. Knew I would be getting into a great one because of the dancing alone.

[Hatguy]

I had a rather disappointing experience at one place only in my trip to Cambodia. Pontoon was very expensive. $3. 50 for a Corona beer and other beers not too far behind it. When we walked in there was a spot at the bar and we had a bit of a drink there before my girl wanted to go dance. I got tired of that pretty quickly. Two left feet etc. So we went over to some booths. RESERVED signs on them so couldn't stay. Then it was across to the other side of the room for another with no signs on it. Some staff guy walked up to me and said that he would let us sit there for a while but if customers came we would have to move. I was pretty annoyed because I had paid their prices for drinks and followed their rules. I asked him if I could tip him and make him go away. NO was the answer. Not 30 seconds later yet another staff girl comes up to tell us to move to another booth. Too much bullshit for my liking. I went to the bar and asked for the manager. All I got was attitude and raised voices so I reciprocated.

They deserve this shitty review which I will also be putting on other sites. You don't treat paying customers like that and you never speak to people in that way. Fuck you Pontoon!

[Michael 1973]

I had a rather disappointing experience at one place only in my trip to Cambodia. Pontoon was very expensive. $3. 50 for a Corona beer and other beers not too far behind it. When we walked in there was a spot at the bar and we had a bit of a drink there before my girl wanted to go dance. I got tired of that pretty quickly. Two left feet etc. So we went over to some booths. RESERVED signs on them so couldn't stay. Then it was across to the other side of the room for another with no signs on it. Some staff guy walked up to me and said that he would let us sit there for a while but if customers came we would have to move. I was pretty annoyed because I had paid their prices for drinks and followed their rules. I asked him if I could tip him and make him go away. NO was the answer. Not 30 seconds later yet another staff girl comes up to tell us to move to another booth. Too much bullshit for my liking. I went to the bar and asked for the manager. All I got was attitude and raised voices so I reciprocated.

They deserve this shitty review which I will also be putting on other sites. You don't treat paying customers like that and you never speak to people in that way. Fuck you Pontoon!Sorry don't see the problem! Pontoon is a great place, just more expensive then the cheap places. So its your choice to go there or not and such booth to pay big bugs is normal. Also if you go o ther places like Sparks. Its about money. If you want cheap. Just go somewhere else.

And about the girl you get tired, not fault of Pontoon if you choose badly.

Sorry no offending, but don't blame a place for you to be too stinchy for that.

Michael

[Nail The World]

PontoonI have a different kind of comment to make about Pontoon. And for that matter HOD too. Somewhere I read on this forum that somebody met a "regular" girl in Pontoon. I wanted to disabuse the forum of this myth. There's ZERO chance that there'll be a "regular" girl in Pontoon or Heart of Darkness. 100% of the girls are on the game. They are there for one purpose and one purpose only. Tourist girls are the only exception.

There's of course a constant presence of working girls who shuttle between Pontoon and HOD all night (so if you wanted to check out a different set of working girls, I am sorry to say you'll be disappointed. Same faces at both the places). All of the other "regular" looking girls are bar girls. When I took a bar girl there I was shocked to see how big a group of friends she was able to assemble on the spot. One of the ladies in the group came over to say "we're all friends". And they were sitting in a sofa right by the side of the dancing floor. Without this enlightenment I would look at them as "normal" girls. On the floor I recognized a pair of girls I had met just an hour ago in a different bar. Very very "normal" looking. One of them had been on the job for only a month and spoke no English. You don't get any more "normal" than that. The girl that I picked up at HOD was there to make extra cash after finishing her shift at Naga Casino at 2am. She was a "normal" girl but had p4p on her mind.

There's no chance of "regular" mongering in Pontoon or Heart.

When I asked the girls at Tokyo Lounge where they go to dance, they said Darling Darling. They completely rejected the idea of Pontoon.

[Bartchamdo]

Wow, confirmed.

Just popped down there on your recommendation. On corner of 240 and 55. 8 bucks for an hour massage and anything else is between you and the girl.

With no mention of money she gave me an awesome massage and a mind blowing hand relief. The things she was doing with her hands. Wow.

After she very nicely cleaned me up with some wet towels I gave her a 10 dollar tip.

I did over hear another massage that was already going when I got there. That guy sounded like he had a pretty good time. After the massage I heard him ask the girl for her number. Didn't hear if he got it.I tried Panda Massage after reading this, but I had quite a different experience.

The first massage I got was with Sookiya. It was a fairly good massage. She apparently had some training. But there was no happy ending, and because the massage was well done I didn't feel ripped off. Afterwards I decided I was partially to blame for not asking for it.

So I decided to take a different approach next time. I returned another day and tried a different girl named Nimol. She was a bad pick. Unlike the previous girl, she didn't seem to know what she was doing. The massage was sloppy and not very relaxing. I asked her for a HJ, and she acted like she was open to the idea, but wanted to know how much I'd pay. I told her if it was well done I would tip very well. That wasn't good enough for her and there was no happy ending. I guess she was fishing for an exact dollar amount.

She could have made up for it with a good massage, but she wasn't able to. She kept making very basic mistakes. She had me lie face down on top of a pile of towels instead of putting my face in the proper place on the table. I had to interrupt and show her how to use the table. In the middle of the massage she left the room 2 different times and left the door wide open. In short, she just didn't know what she was doing. Since this place is charging more than the competition you'd hope the experience would be higher quality.

So I guess this is a case of "your mileage may vary." I don't doubt that other guys have had success with this place. Could be that I had bad luck in my choice of girls. Or maybe I just need to handle negotiations differently.

Can anyone recommend particular ladies at this place or another massage parlor? Noobmonger, did you get the name of your girl?

How do you negotiate for extras at these places? Wait til the end of the massage and then spring the question? Ask up front? In other countries in SE Asia it's always been the lady who brings up the question first. They're pretty passive here.

[Leftfield1965]

Sorry don't see the problem! Pontoon is a great place, just more expensive then the cheap places. So its your choice to go there or not and such booth to pay big bugs is normal. Also if you go o ther places like Sparks. Its about money. If you want cheap. Just go somewhere else.

And about the girl you get tired, not fault of Pontoon if you choose badly.

Sorry no offending, but don't blame a place for you to be too stinchy for that.

MichaelBullshit post.

A paying customer has every right to complain if he feels that he's been treated unfairly / rudely at Pontoon, even posting about it on a public forum is ok by me.

For what it's worth, I think Pontoon sucks donkeyballs (as does Heart of Darkness). It's an average club with expensive drink prices, crap dj's that play commercial dance shit for the masses.

I'd happily pay top $ for drinks in a good club that plays good music. Unfortunately there is no such thing in Phnom Penh.

[Wendella]

I googled her number and get a fair few hits of her advertising her services in Saigon under various names. Not sure if it's a single girl as advertised or an escort service, one of the many youtube pages I found her number on linked to a saigon escort agency.

Might give her a ring when I'm in town next week. Pricey but I'll take one for the team.So was there any outcome on this yet? Curious to hear.

[Hatguy]

Sorry don't see the problem! Pontoon is a great place, just more expensive then the cheap places. So its your choice to go there or not and such booth to pay big bugs is normal. Also if you go o ther places like Sparks. Its about money. If you want cheap. Just go somewhere else.

And about the girl you get tired, not fault of Pontoon if you choose badly.

Sorry no offending, but don't blame a place for you to be too stinchy for that.

MichaelYou seem to understand about as much as Pontoon did. Don't defend them. They deserve the bad review. I did nothing to them and that was how they treated me and my girl. NO she WASNT from there. And no I am not stingy if thats what you meant by the above.

[Noobmonger]

Can anyone recommend particular ladies at this place or another massage parlor? Noobmonger, did you get the name of your girl?Sorry, the only words that passed between us was her asking if the massage was ok occasionally and a thank you when I tipped her. I wish I'd asked her name though.

I went back two days later and was given a different girl. Massage was reasonable, but not as good as the first and the HR was good but no where near as good as the previous. Also she asked me if I wanted HR where as the first girl just did it, and when I tipped her she wanted a little more I slipped her an extra two bucks so I could leave without any hassle.

I guess it's the luck of the draw.

[Noobmonger]

So was there any outcome on this yet? Curious to hear.Sorry, I never did call her in the end.

Will post an account of the rest of my time in PP later today.

[Michael 1973]

You seem to understand about as much as Pontoon did. Don't defend them. They deserve the bad review. I did nothing to them and that was how they treated me and my girl. NO she WASNT from there. And no I am not stingy if thats what you meant by the above.OK, lets it with that. Every1 can make his own experience and judge by himself.

Hope I did not offend you, thats the last I wanted to do? Just been in Pontoon sometimes and had a good experience.

Anyway, its the girls and not the place who are more important LOL.

CU Michael

[Hatguy]

I'm done with talking about Pontoon. They suck period.

Cyrcee club (Secret club) was awesome. I went there with a mate my 2nd night there. Scoped out two girls that were just my types. One thin with nice boobs. The other larger with similar boobs but bigger arse. I told them I couldn't go that night as I was tired but would be back the next night. Got there about 640pm the next night and there they were. They wanted 25 bucks each. The bar fine was 10. Hotel across the street 8 bucks or something. So for $68 bucks I had a go with each girl. Both very into it and no mood changes all of a sudden.

If I had more time I would have done this again. But only a few days in PP.

Onto another 2 style of places. I went with a client of mine to two joints. The first was a MP but I don't remember the name. Fishbowl with Khmer and Vietnamese. I picked a 43 kg girl with natural boobs. No pics though. She wanted 60 bucks! I told her no way in hell. Got her to give me a massage and then a handjob. Part way through she got turned on by my playing with her tits. We negotiated for 40. Totally worth it. Pounded her good. I know it was too much. Was lectured by my client! LOL.

Second place was a KTV one. Girls totally inexperienced with foreigners. VERY reluctant to go with me and despite her being quite cute I decided that it was best to not take her just in case it backfired. Don't need the drama. There was one other that turned out to be on her period. (Just didn't want to go I think)

Oh and a small comment about Sharkies: Love the place but the girls there are for the most part pushing 35. And most of them are not good looking. Some look quite nice but they are few and far between in my opinion. Go for a beer and talk it up with some local expats. Just ignore the scrubbers.

[Pak Mike]

Glad I didn't waste my time at Panda, certainly a case of luck of the draw by the sounds of it. But would still love to find an upmarket place where I can have a proper massage with a few extras.

Yes, I have also found the gals at Sharkey to be a bit on the old, rough and pushy side, but on Friday and Saturday enjoyed their live music. Go, enjoy the live music and then seek carnal pleasures elsewhere is my advice.

[Hatguy]

After the disappointment of Rose Bar, myself and Noobmonger (Hi mate!) were walking up the street outside it. We had just been told that Bar fines were 10 bucks and the girls wanted $50 for short time there and that they NEVER do long time EVER. Rose bar can go on the ultimate back burner for me: NEVER!

Out and to the right on the left hand side was some funky looking place I said we should try. But then I saw Matilda. I'm sorta Aussie and it reminded me of a song. 10 points if you can guess it. We walked in and were swamped. Pretty good looking girls and the prices were reasonable. Don't remember the bar fine nor ST or LT but NOTHING like Rose Bar I guarantee! We drank and drank buying the girls drinks and felt a bunch up. At the end it cost us 60 USD. 30 bucks for lots of beer and touching up girls as much as you want. What a bargain. We were both too drunk to take anyone home. Would have been a total waste of money. I went home and crashed. Pretty sure N did the same.

[Tavien]

I have a different kind of comment to make about Pontoon. And for that matter HOD too. Somewhere I read on this forum that somebody met a "regular" girl in Pontoon. I wanted to disabuse the forum of this myth. There's ZERO chance that there'll be a "regular" girl in Pontoon or Heart of Darkness. 100% of the girls are on the game. They are there for one purpose and one purpose only. Tourist girls are the only exception.

There's of course a constant presence of working girls who shuttle between Pontoon and HOD all night (so if you wanted to check out a different set of working girls, I am sorry to say you'll be disappointed. Same faces at both the places). All of the other "regular" looking girls are bar girls. When I took a bar girl there I was shocked to see how big a group of friends she was able to assemble on the spot. One of the ladies in the group came over to say "we're all friends". And they were sitting in a sofa right by the side of the dancing floor. Without this enlightenment I would look at them as "normal" girls. On the floor I recognized a pair of girls I had met just an hour ago in a different bar. Very very "normal" looking. One of them had been on the job for only a month and spoke no English. You don't get any more "normal" than that. The girl that I picked up at HOD was there to make extra cash after finishing her shift at Naga Casino at 2am. She was a "normal" girl but had p4p on her mind.

There's no chance of "regular" mongering in Pontoon or Heart.

When I asked the girls at Tokyo Lounge where they go to dance, they said Darling Darling. They completely rejected the idea of Pontoon.NTW, Assuming you understand what 100% means, I'd like to point out you lose credibility when you post such an obvious exaggeration.

Of course there are regular girls in HOD and Pontoon. I've gone to both places many times in groups that included local non-working girls.

Guys that go into places like that "knowing" that all girls are available often end up making fools of themselves, sometimes without even realizing it. It doesn't take too much effort to figure out who is available and who is not; just pay a bit of attention.

[Bumholes1]

NTW, Assuming you understand what 100% means, I'd like to point out you lose credibility when you post such an obvious exaggeration.

Of course there are regular girls in HOD and Pontoon. I've gone to both places many times in groups that included local non-working girls.

Guys that go into places like that "knowing" that all girls are available often end up making fools of themselves, sometimes without even realizing it. It doesn't take too much effort to figure out who is available and who is not; just pay a bit of attention.Not been to either Pontoon or HOD as yet. Will rectify later this month.

Tavien mlkes a valid point. There will always be the possibility of finding non-working girls anywhere, even if amongst a bunch or prossies.

[Nail The World]

NTW, Assuming you understand what 100% means, I'd like to point out you lose credibility when you post such an obvious exaggeration.I reject your point. And I don't need to establish credibility with someone with 2 posts. Nothing in the world is 100%, everybody knows that. As you say it's an obvious exaggeration, there'll be some isolated instances / situations and of course there are waitresses that work there everyday. Barring those it's a pure p4p spot. One should not go there looking for "normal" girls. No need to confuse everybody. Some girls might get there to show their barang colleagues the place, there are some tourist girls as well. Those are the exceptions.

Right in the center of tourist hub, with heavy prostitution activity, what kind of "normal" girls will go there to party?

[Hatguy]

Nail.

Good point you have there.

As a follow up to my post about Pontoon being shitty, I emailed them about the way I was treated. No response of course. They are clueless. Caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware.

HOD was much better. No bossing around of customers. Free to roam wherever you want. But yes the same annoying music.

If you want proper customer service go to Pitstop. Good man there.

[Tavien]

I reject your point. And I don't need to establish credibility with someone with 2 posts. Nothing in the world is 100, everybody knows that. As you say it's an obvious exaggeration, there'll be some isolated instances / situations and of course there are waitresses that work there everyday. Barring those it's a pure p4p spot. One should not go there looking for "normal" girls. No need to confuse everybody. Some girls might get there to show their barang colleagues the place, there are some tourist girls as well. Those are the exceptions.

Right in the center of tourist hub, with heavy prostitution activity, what kind of "normal" girls will go there to party?1. You're right, you don't need to establish credibility with me, as I don't care.

1."100% of the girls are on the game" and "Nothing in the world is 100%". Nice.

2. What kind of "normal" girls go there to party? If you've ever spent a bit of time getting to normal girls here, you would know that many of them like going to those places with their boyfriends or husbands, mostly on weekends.

You were specifically making the point that every single local girl there is a working girl. Total BS. How about "most girls there are working girls, it doesn't take much time to figure out which"? That works.

[Wendella]

I'm done with talking about Pontoon. They suck period.Ew, sucking period, that's gross. [USER ATTEMPT TO INSERT SMILEY FACE: FAILED]

Anyway. I can appreciate your disappointment / anger at the club. But. There's a couple different main aspects of this, both of which come back to your expectations.

First, in general none of these places is ever going to earn stars in a Michelin Guide. This is Phnom Penh, and we're talking about fairly seedy establishments, any of the places mentioned in this thread really. Expectations should be set quite low. Read back in the forum and you'll see that a few years ago the main issues in the customer service area of these places was such things as how likely you were to be shot by a local thug (who would likely be the son of a top ranking government minister). At HOD it was all about the way all the foreigners were being frisked for guns before entering, while the gun-toting rich kids and their well-armed bodyguards were not. (so basically they wantd to make sure we weren't armed before they shot us) And shootings did happen there, a few times. So now these days, one of these places, your Pontoon (never been there myself) obviously has some weird system where they keep the tables open for customers they prefer. Or else refuse it to customers they don't prefer. Either way, in the real world that would suck. But you're not really in the real world there, you've kind of entered the last vestiges of the Cambodian Wild West. I mean look at the place, it's full of hookers and seedy characters there to pick them up. Or so I hear. But I know it sucks to be treated shabbily. Maybe if you'd gone straight to the table and ordered from there it might have been different. Who knows.

Second, if this place is anything like Martinis in its vibe, or even HOD, probably not the #1 spot to be bringing your date (especially if she's not the type who would be, um, working there on a night you're not with her).

But I have to say, for me and I guess a lot of people here, the main focus when we go out to these kinds of places isn't on booths or customer service. What's the name of this forum? InternationalBoothGuide? [USER ATTEMPT TO INSERT SMILEY FACE: FAILED] If I was there at this club, I would never even be aware of, or interested in, what their policy is regarding the booths. I'd be on a mission for the evening, and the whole booth game is an irrelevant aspect of the situation for me."I can't sit here? Oh, ok fine whatever."

So if its ok by you, I might still go check out Pontoon next time I'm in PP, because thank god there's finally an alternative to HOD at that hour. But I'll heed what you said and avoid the booths.

[Hatguy]

Ew, sucking period, that's gross. [USER ATTEMPT TO INSERT SMILEY FACE: FAILED]

Anyway. I can appreciate your disappointment / anger at the club. But. There's a couple different main aspects of this, both of which come back to your expectations.

First, in general none of these places is ever going to earn stars in a Michelin Guide. This is Phnom Penh, and we're talking about fairly seedy establishments, any of the places mentioned in this thread really. Expectations should be set quite low. Read back in the forum and you'll see that a few years ago the main issues in the customer service area of these places was such things as how likely you were to be shot by a local thug (who would likely be the son of a top ranking government minister). At HOD it was all about the way all the foreigners were being frisked for guns before entering, while the gun-toting rich kids and their well-armed bodyguards were not. (so basically they wantd to make sure we weren't armed before they shot us) And shootings did happen there, a few times. So now these days, one of these places, your Pontoon (never been there myself) obviously has some weird system where they keep the tables open for customers they prefer. Or else refuse it to customers they don't prefer. Either way, in the real world that would suck. But you're not really in the real world there, you've kind of entered the last vestiges of the Cambodian Wild West. I mean look at the place, it's full of hookers and seedy characters there to pick them up. Or so I hear. But I know it sucks to be treated shabbily. Maybe if you'd gone straight to the table and ordered from there it might have been different. Who knows.

Second, if this place is anything like Martinis in its vibe, or even HOD, probably not the #1 spot to be bringing your date (especially if she's not the type who would be, um, working there on a night you're not with her).

But I have to say, for me and I guess a lot of people here, the main focus when we go out to these kinds of places isn't on booths or customer service. What's the name of this forum? InternationalBoothGuide? [USER ATTEMPT TO INSERT SMILEY FACE: FAILED] If I was there at this club, I would never even be aware of, or interested in, what their policy is regarding the booths. I'd be on a mission for the evening, and the whole booth game is an irrelevant aspect of the situation for me."I can't sit here? Oh, ok fine whatever."

So if its ok by you, I might still go check out Pontoon next time I'm in PP, because thank god there's finally an alternative to HOD at that hour. But I'll heed what you said and avoid the booths.Knock yourself out man. Report back on what you find. Thanks for your input.

[Nail The World]

1. You're right, you don't need to establish credibility with me, as I don't care.

1."100% of the girls are on the game" and "Nothing in the world is 100%". Nice.

2. What kind of "normal" girls go there to party? If you've ever spent a bit of time getting to normal girls here, you would know that many of them like going to those places with their boyfriends or husbands, mostly on weekends.

You were specifically making the point that every single local girl there is a working girl. Total BS. How about "most girls there are working girls, it doesn't take much time to figure out which"? That works.

Bullshit. What I said is right. And you have cognitive disorder. I said these are pure prostitution spots, one should not go there hoping to meet a "normal" girl. Do not spoil this thread anymore and shut up.

[Nail The World]

so if its ok by you, i might still go check out pontoon next time i'm in pp, because thank god there's finally an alternative to hod at that hour.mr, just peek inside hod before you enter pontoon. you'll find a lot of those faces intermittently appearing at pontoon. there's constant shuttling of workhorses between these two places. to make it really interesting stay at one of the places for half an hour and then go to the other one.

hod is better lit so it's easy to make a judgment before talking. pontoon pretends to be a club so it's dark. but all those dancing are prostitutes, bar girls/their friends and tourists. and your eyes have to work harder.

[Noobmonger]

Before I start forgetting I figured I better put down my account of the trip.

Arrived in PP at lunch time, checked into my hotel on Street 51 and as promised in a previous post headed down to Yang Mey Massage.

The place is on Street 252, between Streets 63 and 93. I walked up to the first floor where the massage is and the guy in charge sat me down in front of the fish bowl. Explained that ones with one colour number are Viet and the other are Cambodian. Asked me what I wanted, young or experienced. I was thinking experienced but then I made the age old mistake of spotting an amazing looking young girl. I checked with the guy her age. 19, I double checked "definitely not illegal?" and he stated that all girls were over 18. I took her and paid the 5 dollars for the massage. We got to the room and I stripped and lay down. She started the massage which was pretty bad. After five minutes I've had enough and asked about boom boom. 50 dollars she asks. I laughed and counter with 20, she goes to 40 I stick with 20 and turn back over. She continues the awful massage for a minute and then says "40!", I offered 30 and figured I wouldn't budge from there. She had a weapon in arsenal I wasn't expecting, terrible massage. After 10 minutes I'd had enough and said ok 40. I had a feeling I was going to regret this. We showered and got on the bed, without clothes she was even more stunning. Nice pert breasts and her pussy. Well to quote Bill Hicks it was like a wisp of cotton candy framing a paper cut. She started clumsily playing with my cock so I lay her down and started dining at the Y. At this point I realised she really wasn't into this, she wouldn't make eye contact, staring at the walls and ceiling. She hurried me onto sex and again it was hard to get into it when she clearly didn't want to be doing it and certainly wasn't enjoying it at all. I finished off quickly paid her the money and left. First time I'd actually felt ashamed after sex.

I headed back to the hotel and phoned Yao, a Viet I'd met in Walkabout on my last visit. I asked if she was around and 30 minutes later I was taking her into my room. Yao is great, good looking with a very nice body, very professional, straight forward 20 dollars for short time single pop. She doesn't stick around after and won't give you a GFE or do longtime. However she knows exactly how to please a man. As expected I had a great time and soon forgot the girl from the massage parlour. As she left she told me that two days later she had to go back to Vietnam for a month for New Year so did I want to see her the next day? Maybe I said, knowing I would.

I headed out for a few drinks and to get dinner. After dinner I was pretty knackered as I'd only had a few hours sleep the previous night, I grabbed a few hours kip and awoke feeling horny. I headed opposite to Walkabout and very quickly found myself chatting to a Cambodian girl of about 25 years, she was fairly average looking but had a nice figure and I just wanted a quick release before I went back to sleep. Took her short time for 20 dollars and back to the hotel. She gave nice oral and I reciprocated, brought her to orgasm and then slipped on the condom and went in. Sex was good but not amazing, after we went and showered. As she got dressed she noticed that my cock hadn't gone flaccid so she got on her knees and gave me a great blowjob whilst I was holding the 20 dollars I had been waiting to give her. She finished me off and I gave her the 20 bucks, she left satisfied and I got into bed and fell asleep equally satisfied.

The next morning I woke fairly late and headed out to grab some lunch. As I was finishing my food I got a call from Yao asking if I wanted her to come round. I told her to pop round in half an hour, I knew it would be a nice way to start the day. She popped over and was as good as ever, I do wish she would offer long time or maybe stay for a bit of a cuddle after I've cum but I can't fault her performance. After she left I dozed for half an hour and then headed out to the massage place opposite flamingos for a decent legitimate oil massage.

Afterwards I'd arranged to meet a friend for a few drinks and dinner so went to meet her. After I got back I went to my room to change and planned to head up to the riverside streets. I never got further than the hotel bar. I initially sat down for 1 drink but after chatting and playing pool with the girls who work there I found myself taking one of them to my room for a $30 long time when the bar closed at 2am. She was seriously cute and had a nice body but her boobs were slightly saggy. The sex was pretty good and I slept well. I woke the next day and had a second round. She was finishing me off with her mouth and hands as I knelt over her, yet she seemed somewhat surprised and slightly annoyed when I came all over her face. She left about 9am and I went back to sleep.

[Horatio]

That's was a great post. I like the specifics about the girls and knowing the price.


Before I start forgetting I figured I better put down my account of the trip.

Arrived in PP at lunch time, checked into my hotel on Street 51 and as promised in a previous post headed down to Yang Mey Massage.

The place is on Street 252, between Streets 63 and 93. I walked up to the first floor where the massage is and the guy in charge sat me down in front of the fish bowl. Explained that ones with one colour number are Viet and the other are Cambodian. Asked me what I wanted, young or experienced. I was thinking experienced but then I made the age old mistake of spotting an amazing looking young girl. I checked with the guy her age. 19, I double checked "definitely not illegal?" and he stated that all girls were over 18. I took her and paid the 5 dollars for the massage. We got to the room and I stripped and lay down. She started the massage which was pretty bad. After five minutes I've had enough and asked about boom boom. 50 dollars she asks. I laughed and counter with 20, she goes to 40 I stick with 20 and turn back over. She continues the awful massage for a minute and then says "40!", I offered 30 and figured I wouldn't budge from there. She had a weapon in arsenal I wasn't expecting, terrible massage. After 10 minutes I'd had enough and said ok 40. I had a feeling I was going to regret this. We showered and got on the bed, without clothes she was even more stunning. Nice pert breasts and her pussy. Well to quote Bill Hicks it was like a wisp of cotton candy framing a paper cut. She started clumsily playing with my cock so I lay her down and started dining at the Y. At this point I realised she really wasn't into this, she wouldn't make eye contact, staring at the walls and ceiling. She hurried me onto sex and again it was hard to get into it when she clearly didn't want to be doing it and certainly wasn't enjoying it at all. I finished off quickly paid her the money and left. First time I'd actually felt ashamed after sex.

I headed back to the hotel and phoned Yao, a Viet I'd met in Walkabout on my last visit. I asked if she was around and 30 minutes later I was taking her into my room. Yao is great, good looking with a very nice body, very professional, straight forward 20 dollars for short time single pop. She doesn't stick around after and won't give you a GFE or do longtime. However she knows exactly how to please a man. As expected I had a great time and soon forgot the girl from the massage parlour. As she left she told me that two days later she had to go back to Vietnam for a month for New Year so did I want to see her the next day? Maybe I said, knowing I would.

I headed out for a few drinks and to get dinner. After dinner I was pretty knackered as I'd only had a few hours sleep the previous night, I grabbed a few hours kip and awoke feeling horny. I headed opposite to Walkabout and very quickly found myself chatting to a Cambodian girl of about 25 years, she was fairly average looking but had a nice figure and I just wanted a quick release before I went back to sleep. Took her short time for 20 dollars and back to the hotel. She gave nice oral and I reciprocated, brought her to orgasm and then slipped on the condom and went in. Sex was good but not amazing, after we went and showered. As she got dressed she noticed that my cock hadn't gone flaccid so she got on her knees and gave me a great blowjob whilst I was holding the 20 dollars I had been waiting to give her. She finished me off and I gave her the 20 bucks, she left satisfied and I got into bed and fell asleep equally satisfied.

The next morning I woke fairly late and headed out to grab some lunch. As I was finishing my food I got a call from Yao asking if I wanted her to come round. I told her to pop round in half an hour, I knew it would be a nice way to start the day. She popped over and was as good as ever, I do wish she would offer long time or maybe stay for a bit of a cuddle after I've cum but I can't fault her performance. After she left I dozed for half an hour and then headed out to the massage place opposite flamingos for a decent legitimate oil massage.

Afterwards I'd arranged to meet a friend for a few drinks and dinner so went to meet her. After I got back I went to my room to change and planned to head up to the riverside streets. I never got further than the hotel bar. I initially sat down for 1 drink but after chatting and playing pool with the girls who work there I found myself taking one of them to my room for a $30 long time when the bar closed at 2am. She was seriously cute and had a nice body but her boobs were slightly saggy. The sex was pretty good and I slept well. I woke the next day and had a second round. She was finishing me off with her mouth and hands as I knelt over her, yet she seemed somewhat surprised and slightly annoyed when I came all over her face. She left about 9am and I went back to sleep.

[Noobmonger]

That's was a great post. I like the specifics about the girls and knowing the price.Thanks. Part 2 might be more interesting to others as I actually made it out to some of the bars on 136 and 104.

[Leftfield1965]

Before I start forgetting I figured I better put down my account of the trip.

Arrived in PP at lunch time, checked into my hotel on Street 51 and as promised in a previous post headed down to Yang Mey Massage.

The place is on Street 252, between Streets 63 and 93. I walked up to the first floor where the massage is and the guy in charge sat me down in front of the fish bowl. Explained that ones with one colour number are Viet and the other are Cambodian. Asked me what I wanted, young or experienced. I was thinking experienced but then I made the age old mistake of spotting an amazing looking young girl. I checked with the guy her age. 19, I double checked "definitely not illegal?" and he stated that all girls were over 18. I took her and paid the 5 dollars for the massage. We got to the room and I stripped and lay down. She started the massage which was pretty bad. After five minutes I've had enough and asked about boom boom. 50 dollars she asks. I laughed and counter with 20, she goes to 40 I stick with 20 and turn back over. She continues the awful massage for a minute and then says "40!", I offered 30 and figured I wouldn't budge from there. She had a weapon in arsenal I wasn't expecting, terrible massage. After 10 minutes I'd had enough and said ok 40. I had a feeling I was going to regret this. We showered and got on the bed, without clothes she was even more stunning. Nice pert breasts and her pussy. Well to quote Bill Hicks it was like a wisp of cotton candy framing a paper cut. She started clumsily playing with my cock so I lay her down and started dining at the Y. At this point I realised she really wasn't into this, she wouldn't make eye contact, staring at the walls and ceiling. She hurried me onto sex and again it was hard to get into it when she clearly didn't want to be doing it and certainly wasn't enjoying it at all. I finished off quickly paid her the money and left. First time I'd actually felt ashamed after sex.

I headed back to the hotel and phoned Yao, a Viet I'd met in Walkabout on my last visit. I asked if she was around and 30 minutes later I was taking her into my room. Yao is great, good looking with a very nice body, very professional, straight forward 20 dollars for short time single pop. She doesn't stick around after and won't give you a GFE or do longtime. However she knows exactly how to please a man. As expected I had a great time and soon forgot the girl from the massage parlour. As she left she told me that two days later she had to go back to Vietnam for a month for New Year so did I want to see her the next day? Maybe I said, knowing I would.

I headed out for a few drinks and to get dinner. After dinner I was pretty knackered as I'd only had a few hours sleep the previous night, I grabbed a few hours kip and awoke feeling horny. I headed opposite to Walkabout and very quickly found myself chatting to a Cambodian girl of about 25 years, she was fairly average looking but had a nice figure and I just wanted a quick release before I went back to sleep. Took her short time for 20 dollars and back to the hotel. She gave nice oral and I reciprocated, brought her to orgasm and then slipped on the condom and went in. Sex was good but not amazing, after we went and showered. As she got dressed she noticed that my cock hadn't gone flaccid so she got on her knees and gave me a great blowjob whilst I was holding the 20 dollars I had been waiting to give her. She finished me off and I gave her the 20 bucks, she left satisfied and I got into bed and fell asleep equally satisfied.

The next morning I woke fairly late and headed out to grab some lunch. As I was finishing my food I got a call from Yao asking if I wanted her to come round. I told her to pop round in half an hour, I knew it would be a nice way to start the day. She popped over and was as good as ever, I do wish she would offer long time or maybe stay for a bit of a cuddle after I've cum but I can't fault her performance. After she left I dozed for half an hour and then headed out to the massage place opposite flamingos for a decent legitimate oil massage.

Afterwards I'd arranged to meet a friend for a few drinks and dinner so went to meet her. After I got back I went to my room to change and planned to head up to the riverside streets. I never got further than the hotel bar. I initially sat down for 1 drink but after chatting and playing pool with the girls who work there I found myself taking one of them to my room for a $30 long time when the bar closed at 2am. She was seriously cute and had a nice body but her boobs were slightly saggy. The sex was pretty good and I slept well. I woke the next day and had a second round. She was finishing me off with her mouth and hands as I knelt over her, yet she seemed somewhat surprised and slightly annoyed when I came all over her face. She left about 9am and I went back to sleep.Great report, thanks for taking the trouble to write it all up and looking forward to the next chapter.

I've mentionned Yao on here before, and you described her perfectly. She's a great little lay, nice tight body & pussy but sadly she offers no GFE and as soon as the session is over she's in the shower and out the door looking for her next customer. Still, it takes all sorts, and she knows how to please. But like you said, don't expect her to hang around for a cuddle afterwards.

[CowboyBebop2011]

Staying at Flamingos for now. But hoping to find better and cheaper accomodation near the action.

Haven't sampled the local produce yet. But I will today!

[Leftfield1965]

Staying at Flamingos for now. But hoping to find better and cheaper accomodation near the action.

Haven't sampled the local produce yet. But I will today!If you don't like Flamingos but you want to stay around the St 51 action there are 3 hotels on St 154 (just a block away from Walkabout).

The names are : Nana Hotel, Circuit Hotel and Bolina Palace Hotel. All 3 offer rooms for around $20 a night and should be a notch up quality wise from the overpriced Flamingo.

[Noobmonger]

Great report, thanks for taking the trouble to write it all up and looking forward to the next chapter.

I've mentionned Yao on here before, and you described her perfectly. She's a great little lay, nice tight body & pussy but sadly she offers no GFE and as soon as the session is over she's in the shower and out the door looking for her next customer. Still, it takes all sorts, and she knows how to please. But like you said, don't expect her to hang around for a cuddle afterwards.Yeah, when I was in PP last time I met her in walkabout. I saw her across the room and she beckoned me over, I sat down with my drink said Hi and exchanged names. I asked if she wanted a drink but she declined and just said "want to go back to your hotel?". I downed my drink and we left. A great shag ensued. After I arranged for her to come to my room the next evening and 5 minutes before she was due to arrive she texted me to ask if she could bring a friend. Why the hell not I thought. Had a fucking excellent time, or an excellent fucking time. Both work.

It was a real shame she was only in PP for the first 2 days I was otherwise I'd have seen her every day. Next time I may see if I can find a price which she would do long time. I would happily go to 50 dollars, or even more, for 12 hours of her company.

[Noobmonger]

Staying at Flamingos for now. But hoping to find better and cheaper accomodation near the action.

Haven't sampled the local produce yet. But I will today!PC Hotel, opposite walkabout, is about the same price but the rooms are much better than Flamingos. Some of the girls in the hotel bar are quite cute and go with customers. I've heard good things about the Circuit Hotel, from Flamingos walk past Heart of Darkness and take the first road on the left, the hotel is on the right.

[Leftfield1965]

Yeah, when I was in PP last time I met her in walkabout. I saw her across the room and she beckoned me over, I sat down with my drink said Hi and exchanged names. I asked if she wanted a drink but she declined and just said "want to go back to your hotel?". I downed my drink and we left. A great shag ensued. After I arranged for her to come to my room the next evening and 5 minutes before she was due to arrive she texted me to ask if she could bring a friend. Why the hell not I thought. Had a fucking excellent time, or an excellent fucking time. Both work.

It was a real shame she was only in PP for the first 2 days I was otherwise I'd have seen her every day. Next time I may see if I can find a price which she would do long time. I would happily go to 50 dollars, or even more, for 12 hours of her company.Aha, Yao's friend, also Viet, a bit chubbier, lighter hair. Been there done that mate and wear the t shirt with pride. The thought of one sucking on my ballbag whilst the other was gobbling down my knob will be etched into my memory for a long time.

Yao just might take you up on that $50 offer, I suspect that she likes money a lot, and let us know how you get on. I'll be in PP in just over 3 weeks so hopefully she will have returned from Vietnam by them. Looking forward to getting my hands on her tiny pussy again.

[Hatguy]

If you don't like Flamingos but you want to stay around the St 51 action there are 3 hotels on St 154 (just a block away from Walkabout).

The names are : Nana Hotel, Circuit Hotel and Bolina Palace Hotel. All 3 offer rooms for around $20 a night and should be a notch up quality wise from the overpriced Flamingo.A report on Circuit hotel.

I stayed there for 4 nights. Paid 24 bucks a night for a twin room. The rooms are adequate. They have tv and good beds. There was no safe in my room and I asked for one. They brought it to my room for me at no extra cost. I know that sounds weird but not every guest asks for one so they transport them when required. The hotel has security and is GF. When I brought one girl back she only stayed about 2 hours then left. They called my room to make sure it was ok. Good service.

I really liked their cafe on the 2nd floor. Good breakfast there every morning. Any guests of yours was free there. Girls liked it too.

Overall I would give them 9/10 for their hotel.

[Bumholes1]

A report on Circuit hotel.

I stayed there for 4 nights. Paid 24 bucks a night for a twin room. The rooms are adequate. They have tv and good beds. There was no safe in my room and I asked for one. They brought it to my room for me at no extra cost. I know that sounds weird but not every guest asks for one so they transport them when required. The hotel has security and is GF. When I brought one girl back she only stayed about 2 hours then left. They called my room to make sure it was ok. Good service.

I really liked their cafe on the 2nd floor. Good breakfast there every morning. Any guests of yours was free there. Girls liked it too.

Overall I would give them 9/10 for their hotel.Looking at the Agoda hotel booking site. It would appear that whilst the twin room has a window, the double does not. I don't want twin beds when I have a girl in for shagging!

[Jvdairlie]

While we are discussing hotels, has anyone tried Hotel Circa 51? I thought I read somewhere that it's guest friendly.

I'm looking for something in the $40 range. A bit more up market than Flamingos etc for my next visit. Tried Silver River Hotel on Street 174 last year. Guest friendly and quite good value at $28 pn.

[Leftfield1965]

I'm looking for something in the $40 range. A bit more up market than Flamingos etc for my next visit. Tried Silver River Hotel on Street 174 last year. Guest friendly and quite good value at $28 pn.I've never stayed there myself, but I've read and heard very good reviews about the Cardamom Hotel on St 174, between Pasteur and St 63. Nice place and guest friendly too. Other than that there's Bluetongue next to Walkabout which is in about the same price range. Not sure if guestfriendly though, others might know.

[CowboyBebop2011]

Checked in to Blue Tongue Hotel today after hearing good things from a fellow Walkabout patron staying there.

First impression is that it's certainly a step up from Flamingos.

Same owner as Walkabout (Aussie Glenn) , and they are most definitely girl friendly.

Their website claims they have the "best shower in SE Asia", and I would have to agree!

I'm paying $2 more than what I paid in Flamingos, but the difference is unbelievable.

It's a proper western style & quality hotel with SE Asia prices.

And they upgraded me to the Superior Double room at no extra charge.

I will check out the other hotels recommended here, e. G. PC Hotel, Nana Hotel, Circuit Hotel and Bolina Palace Hotel, and compare them to Blue Tongue.

[Kniom]

While we are discussing hotels, has anyone tried Hotel Circa 51? I thought I read somewhere that it's guest friendly.

Well on their website they say "Sex Tourism is not welcome at Circa 51 Hotel"

[GentleBoner]

Sharky's Friday night had quite a good band playing, but not overly crowded which I found surprising and the place seemed to empty out as the night went on. A few gals hanging around, but generally pickings were quite slim.Sharky's has reinvented itself as a live music venue. Girls aren't really welcome there anymore. There will still be a few, but usually they will be already there with somebody.

Not worth going there if you're looking for girls.

[Tcvve]

Any of these hotels mentioned in below reports besides the Flamingo have freelancers popping into their bar area on occasions?

[CowboyBebop2011]

My first taste of Cambodia.

$40 USD (maybe paid too much?). Short time. From Walkabout.

25 year old. Little spinner. Not a starfish. 2 kids but still nice and tight. All good except for pruny raisin tits.

[Leftfield1965]

$40 USD (maybe paid too much?). Short time. From Walkabout.Only by about 200.

Still, we live and learn, have fun out there.

[Tavien]

Bullshit. What I said is right. And you have cognitive disorder. I said these are pure prostitution spots, one should not go there hoping to meet a "normal" girl. Do not spoil this thread anymore and shut up.Nobody ever suggested to go there to meet normal girls.

I was simply trying to point out that normal local girls DO go to HOD and Pontoon. I've been there with them.

Deny it, and insult other's intelligence all you want. That doesn't make your "fact" any more true.

Go ahead and get last word in; I won't be responding, as others would probably appreciate us ending this discussion.

[GentleBoner]

My first taste of Cambodia.

$40 USD (maybe paid too much?). Short time. From Walkabout.

25 year old. Little spinner. Not a starfish. 2 kids but still nice and tight. All good except for pruny raisin tits.Could've had 2 girls for $40

[Phil Istine]

Normal girls do go to pontoon and st tropez, which they prefer.

The bar girls and the grey girls also go to the same places.

More normal girls go to darling darling but the bar girls go there as well.

The chance of a straight khmer girl going with a foreigner at any of these places is zilch.

[Member #4698]

My first taste of Cambodia. $40 USD (maybe paid too much?). Short time. From Walkabout.

25 year old. Little spinner. Not a starfish. 2 kids but still nice and tight. All good except for pruny raisin tits.Some will say you overpaid. I will make a bold statement: I am inclined to think you did not overpay; that the price you paid was in the upper range, but still in the ball park. Why? Because you posted pictures of your girl unlike a lot board members that still maintain the price is $20. From your pictures and knowing firsthand what the real choices are in Phnom Penh, it is clear to me, your girl is in the top tier of Walkabout FL's. I appreciate the fact that Walkabout is not an expensive pick up joint, but you came in, saw probably the sexiest girl in the place, picked her, and ended up having a good session – no muss, no fuss. Sure, if you would have waited until late at night you may have negotiated a deal for $20 if she was still available, but that is a another experience all together. Time is money. Most of the time I hunt from 8pm to 10:30pm and I don't want to wait around until the late night sale or care to fuck a girl that I don't find really attractive. My point is; if you want the best looking girls, on demand, in prime time, then $30 to $40 is what you going to pay unless you are well known and liked or speak the lingo. $20 is still do able, but holding on to the $20 price point is going to be mighty frustrating on any given night and who needs that. Back in 2009, the first time I visited Penh, the prettiest girls would ask $25 or say up to you and I would end up giving them $20 plus a $5 tip if they were really good, but things have changed since then.

To the guys that maintain $20 is still the Phnom Penh price for top quality between 8pm and 11pm, OK, post the pictures of the gals you get. Be honest and prove it. I know you can still get girls for $20 or even less, that is not the issue. The issue is quality and timing affect the price. So keep rocking C. Bebop. When a girl you want asks $40 counter with $25 and a smile. She may come down to $30 or even $25, but if not then I would advise not to hard negotiate or walk away. If she is sexy, better looking than most, and passes the audition; then go for it and have a great time.

[Evianist]

Some will say you overpaid. I will make a bold statement: I am inclined to think you did not overpay; that the price you paid was in the upper range, but still in the ball park. Why? Because you posted pictures of your girl unlike a lot board members that still maintain the price is $20. From your pictures and knowing firsthand what the real choices are in Phnom Penh, it is clear to me, your girl is in the top tier of Walkabout FL's. I appreciate the fact that Walkabout is not an expensive pick up joint, but you came in, saw probably the sexiest girl in the place, picked her, and ended up having a good session – no muss, no fuss. Sure, if you would have waited until late at night you may have negotiated a deal for $20 if she was still available, but that is a another experience all together. Time is money. Most of the time I hunt from 8pm to 10:30pm and I don't want to wait around until the late night sale or care to fuck a girl that I don't find really attractive. My point is; if you want the best looking girls, on demand, in prime time, then $30 to $40 is what you going to pay unless you are well known and liked or speak the lingo. $20 is still do able, but holding on to the $20 price point is going to be mighty frustrating on any given night and who needs that. Back in 2009, the first time I visited Penh, the prettiest girls would ask $25 or say up to you and I would end up giving them $20 plus a $5 tip if they were really good, but things have changed since then.

To the guys that maintain $20 is still the Phnom Penh price for top quality between 8pm and 11pm, OK, post the pictures of the gals you get. Be honest and prove it. I know you can still get girls for $20 or even less, that is not the issue. The issue is quality and timing affect the price. So keep rocking C. Bebop. When a girl you want asks $40 counter with $25 and a smile. She may come down to $30 or even $25, but if not then I would advise not to hard negotiate or walk away. If she is sexy, better looking than most, and passes the audition; then go for it and have a great time.He paid $40 for short time. The girl is cute, but there are cuter girls than her, with better bodies.

I pay $20-25 for long time and have taken better looking girls than the photo he posted.

The going rate for expats is more like $10-15 for ST. So that means he paid 4x the going rate.

[Cayec]

Was it really 3 weeks since I drafted this?

1. Reading back on the various posts I was not expecting anything special in my two night stay.

2. Arriving by bus from Siem Reap I ventured out to get a massage. Eventually settled on Islands on Sisowath Quay. Great looking lady took me upstairs to a communal room where two other blokes were already being massaged. She stopped me from dispensing with my why's but the 60 minute massage was great and well worth the $7 and I was happy to give her a $3 tip. 9/10. For the first time ever I started a massage laying on my back.

3. I had a couple of beers but then headed back to the hotel – Lebiz, a new one on 79F street which is Kampuchea Krom Blvd about 500 m the other side of the market from the river.

4. From 9 this morning until getting back at 2. 30 I went first to Tuol Sleng Genoocide Museum and then on to Choeung EK Genocidal Center (about 40 minutes by Tuk Tuk). Not the sort of thing that one can state to have been happy seeing but I am glad I visited the sites.

5. After a shower and a quick google search I set off towards the market to find the Paris hotel which was said to be about 400 m from the market on the same street as my hotel. In fact I had to double back and eventually found the place on the right hand side I would guess about 1 km from the market. On the third floor is the massage 'fish bowl' – no bowl but between 20 and 30 scantily dressed young ladies and my eyes immediately were drawn to No 13. As I point out on the Siem Reap thread – my problem is that I always go for the best looking and almost invariably they are a disappointment. This girl – aged 20 – is perfection; beautiful face, body, backside and legs. I took an hours massage and was led to a room on the 4 th floor (the second floor is a casino I think and regular guests are on floors 5, 6 & 7). She was so perfect in fact that I cannot for the life of me remember what the others looked like although the impression I have is that they were 4/5/6 style. The girl does not speak any English, made me keep my why's on and had limited massage skills which she applied as she watched tv. As in Island the massage started with me on my back. I had a ranging hard-on but she stopped after half an hour and so I signed 30 minutes more. This time on my front and she asked if I wanted boom boom – I badly wanted it and agreed to pay her a horrid price. $50. But no boom boom on floor 4 – she led me up to another room on floor 7. Now comes the sad part of the story – there was no eroticism or anything just me with pure lust for her perfect body and maybe the mornings viewing affected my libido. I lost my hard on, she finished me by hand and Cialis has gone on tomorrow's must buy. Ohhh my! Not to worry – one gets very few opportunities to be so close to perfection. 2/10 sex 10/10 the girl.

6. But I like a good massage and so I ventured down to Sisowath again, had a couple of beers and something to eat then wandered along to see the Sokum Place. Took one hour oil massage and led upstairs where a girl washed my feet and asked me to undress in a curtained off cubicle. She started massaging my back and it quickly became obvious that HE would be offered. Sure enough on the flip she carefully ensured that the towel did not cover everything and when massaging my upper thigh let her hands roam a bit. Result – a bloody good massage, really sensual but great skills and HE. Limited touching allowed. 8/10. And I crossed Cialis off my list!

7. I had a couple more beers and went into a modern bar close to FCC – begins with an M and is on a corner. Lovely looking waitresses. Within 5 minutes one came up and introduced herself saying she was tired and was looking forward to her day off tomorrow. I had to disappoint her and told her I was flying off to Vientiane. I should have arranged to meet her in the morning as the flight doesn't go until 5. 30 pm. Bugger!

8. Just looking around it is clear that there are a lot of women up for grabs even for a 58 year old balding paunchy git like me.

9. Up in the morning and a good walk along the Mekong. A couple of cappuccinos and an hour to spare. Anticipating a drought for the next 5 nights in Vientiane and then a small Thai town, I return to Sokum Place to see if last night was a one-off. Different girl but more direct. Towel taken right away for good back and leg massage and the on the flip straight to the question. Not as good a massage but same outcome. 7/10. Nice place and nice young ladies. Recommended.

[Easton]

He paid $40 for short time. The girl is cute, but there are cuter girls than her, with better bodies.

I pay $20-25 for long time and have taken better looking girls than the photo he posted.

The going rate for expats is more like $10-15 for ST. So that means he paid 4x the going rate.I agree $40 is too much for ST unless pics / video is included in that price. However as Natty Bumpo said how about showing us some pics of these $20 girls? Doesn't have to be a face shot if privacy is an issue.

The OP had a good time and that is what really counts.

[Dveight]

I agree $40 is too much for ST unless pics / video is included in that price. However as Natty Bumpo said how about showing us some pics of these $20 girls? Doesn't have to be a face shot if privacy is an issue.

The OP had a good time and that is what really counts.

It's all relative, $40 may be overpaying in Cambodia, but after 90 days straight in America (something I try to never do) I would gladly fork over a whole lot more than that to ST with her, price is all relative.

[GentleBoner]

I agree $40 is too much for ST unless pics / video is included in that price. However as Natty Bumpo said how about showing us some pics of these $20 girls? Doesn't have to be a face shot if privacy is an issue.

The OP had a good time and that is what really counts.I've been to PP about 7 times and taken a lot of attractive girls for $20-25 LT.

No interest in posting their photos.

[CowboyBebop2011]

I agree $40 is too much for ST unless pics / video is included in that price. However as Natty Bumpo said how about showing us some pics of these $20 girls? Doesn't have to be a face shot if privacy is an issue.

The OP had a good time and that is what really counts.Yeah, I think I had a feeling at the time that I was paying more than the normal rate. But I was eager to get my first taste of Khmer goodness that I ignored my gut instinct and just kept going. I had a good time with the girl and she was my type, so I'm happy to pay the extra for my first Khmer beauty and for the lesson learned.

And should I not be including face shots on my posts? I'm new here and sorry but I haven't read all the rules yet about posting pictures. Please clarify.

Thank you.

[Member #4698]

Yeah, I think I had a feeling at the time that I was paying more than the normal rate. But I was eager to get my first taste of Khmer goodness that I ignored my gut instinct and just kept going. I had a good time with the girl and she was my type, so I'm happy to pay the extra for my first Khmer beauty and for the lesson learned.

And should I not be including face shots on my posts? I'm new here and sorry but I haven't read all the rules yet about posting pictures. Please clarify.There is nothing wrong with posting face shots of pros. Some guys don't like to. It is their prerogative, that is all. I and many other board members post pretty faces and a lot more. My position is no working girl has ever suffered adversely from any of my posts. Please, let's not get into a debate on this.

On a more pertinent issue; we need some clarification, Cowboy: you write that you took your Walkabout girl for ST. In my experience in Cambodia (Phnom Penh & Siem Reap) , ST means as many shags as I can muster (usually 2 or 3, but with a few girls I have gone 4 rounds) , but no overnight. I have never had a runner, so I assumed you had multiple shags too. Is my assumption correct?

Again, my experience in PP during my last trip in February was that cute bar girls that I invited over for a drink either answered my money question with '$40' or "it's up to you". My response to the $40 girls was $20 and a smile. They then countered with either $25 or $30 and I said OK. My response to the "it's up to you girls" was let's go. Later in my hotel room after 2 or 3 hours and 2 or 3 shags, I would give the 'up to you' girls $20 plus a tip of either $5 or $10 which ever was handy. My girls always left happy and always left me satisfied. Was I overpaying giving them $30? I think not. I only took the cutest girls. If a bar did not have any cute girls, I just left. This experience was nearly the same one I had in February 2009 except back then the girls answered my money question with $25 or "it's up to you". We always settled on $20 and I would tip $5 or $10 depending on the girl. No runners, Phnom Penh ST, multiple shags, no overnight. So I saw some inflation in prices from 2009 to 2011, but not enough to give a damn. YMMV.

[Leftfield1965]

There is nothing wrong with posting face shots of pros. Some guys don't like to. It is their prerogative, that is all. I and many other board members post pretty faces and a lot more. My position is no working girl has ever suffered adversely from any of my posts. Please, let's not get into a debate on this.And why on earth shouldn't we get into a debate on the topic of posting faceshots?

You say you have posted plenty of pretty faces and more, I presume you asked for / got permission from these girls to have their faces / bodies plastered all over this website? If you haven't, I'm afraid to say that I think you're a bit of a kunt.

Some of these girls might not care, and it might even boost business for them to have free advertising on here. But I've personally met 2 girls that were completely gobsmacked that this kind of stuff was going on and who were under the impression that any photos taken were for personal use only. Now, these 2 were without a doubt naieve but that's still no excuse to having them outed without their consent.

Personally I don't take photos, and if I would I certainly wouldn't post them on websites without the girls permission, that's just wrong IMHO.

[Member #4698]

And why on earth shouldn't we get into a debate on the topic of posting faceshots?Because it quickly becomes a pointless debate that nobody wins. I think your insulting post more than proves my point. If you don't want to post pictures, then don't. And since you think there is something wrong with it, I assume you do not look at the pictures that others post either, right?


Personally I don't take photos, and if I would I certainly wouldn't post them on websites without the girls permission, that's just wrong IMHO.Exactly, in your humble opinion and anybody that disagrees with your rightous opinion you feel you have the right to insult.


You say you have posted plenty of pretty faces and more, I presume you asked for / got permission from these girls to have their faces / bodies plastered all over this website? If you haven't, I'm afraid to say that I think you're a bit of a kunt.Nice language, LF. How old are you, 17?


I've personally met 2 girls that were completely gobsmacked that this kind of stuff was going on and who were under the impression that any photos taken were for personal use only. Now, these 2 were without a doubt naieve but that's still no excuse to having them outed without their consent.So you showed two Khmer working girls you met and were presumably trying to shag pictures of other working girls posted on the ISG website or some other website like Philippine/Pattaya Addicts? Wow! Why would you do such a thing? Who were you trying to impress, buddy boy? We don't show this stuff to the ladies. Man up. What is wrong with you? Guys like you are the reason that forced old pros like Dragon Slayer and David_33 to no longer post pictures except in PM's to people they know and respect. I don't get where you are coming from. I guess somewhere out in left field.

[Hatguy]

Shit. Don't show the girls the site or the pics. It will only lead to something negative. I have some good pics of girls I met on my trip to pp and Thailand but decided to keep them for pm distribution. That way I can choose who sees them. Hatguy

[CowboyBebop2011]

Met this beautiful young lady at Cyrcee Club (Secret Bar) last night.

22 whyear old. No baby. Spoke good English.

$25 USD. Short time + $5 bar fine + $3 lady's drink + $2 my drink.

Took her back to my hotel. No problem. No I'd required.

Very easy going & bubbly personality. Very eager to please. Always asking if I was enjoying her performance. Took her time.

Cyrcee Club. French owner is very friendly. Small club. 2 floors (but I never made it to the 2nd floor). Got there around 7:45 PM. 15 or more ladies greeted me very enthusiastically. Only 2 other customers on the bar. Upon sitting down I was surrounded by about 8 ladies who very quickly had their hands everywhere. After a few minutes of chit chat I picked my girl and the other girls sat back down. Almost all the girls there were very nice looking. My girl told me that the place starts to get busy from 10 PM and there would usually be around 15-20 girls every night. I asked her how much for ST and she said $25 + $5 bar fine +$5 for short time place not far from the bar. I didn't negotiate down the price so not sure how much lower she would have accepted. Bottom line for me: I like the place, I like the girl, and I was very happy with her performance and personality. Will definitely go back here.

[CowboyBebop2011]

Met this lovely little lady at Pontoon disco the other night.

23year old. 1 kid. Not as lively as the first girl but ok. Short time. And I'm afraid to admit it. But I also paid $40 USD for this one. Oh well. I guess I'm a slow learner.

[CowboyBebop2011]

I'm very grateful for the very informative trip reports from others on this site. The stories and photos from this site and other similar forums are the main reasons why I decided to visit Cambodia. Thanks again.

[Edgeman]

Because it quickly becomes a pointless debate that nobody wins. I think your insulting post more than proves my point. If you don't want to post pictures, then don't. And since you think there is something wrong with it, I assume you do not look at the pictures that others post either, right?

Exactly, in your humble opinion and anybody that disagrees with your rightous opinion you feel you have the right to insult.

Nice language, LF. How old are you. 17?

So you showed two Khmer working girls you met and were presumably trying to shag pictures of other working girls posted on the ISG website or some other website like Philippine / Pattaya Addicts? Wow! Why would you do such a thing? Who were you trying to impress, buddy boy? We don't show this stuff to the ladies. Man up. What is wrong with you? Guys like you are the reason that forced old pros like Dragon Slayer and David_33 to no longer post pictures except in PM's to people they know and respect. I don't get where you are coming from. I guess somewhere out in left field.Posting photos, ie, naked, full body, face shots, in action, covered in whatever, it's all good. No sympathy or moral reckoning here. This is a business and it's uncontrolled in many instances. Who are any of you to decide what is right and proper in this industry? If anything, it should be considered free advertising.

[Jvdairlie]

Anyone stayed at Cardamom Hotel. Looks like it's about one block away from Wakabout. I am tossing up between Cardamom and Blue Tongue for a trip to PP soon. Apparently Blue Tongue does not have in room safe box!

[Lonthom]

While we are discussing hotels, has anyone tried Hotel Circa 51? I thought I read somewhere that it's guest friendly.

Well on their website they say "Sex Tourism is not welcome at Circa 51 Hotel"Hi, Circa 51 is not GF any more :

I went there 2 years ago when traveling to Phnom Penh, and there was no problem to bring girl in the room.

But I went back last September, and the management has changed : you are not allowed any more to bring girl.

[Joe Looking]

I'm not a huge fan of posting face shots without asking. If you notice, very few members ever post their face period (and if they do it is usually blurred out). Why is that?

Maybe I'm a bit of a softy but I happen to believe some of the girls tell their families that they are waitresses and do this more out of convenience than anything else.

On another note, the Internet is thriving and the working girls know about sites like this. When some chick, who let you take a photo for your collection only, sees her face on the net she won't let anyone else take a photo. Maybe I'm a bit twisted but I like adding faces to my "wall of shame". That being said, I have had several show women (especially in Thailand) refuse to let me take a photo because they don't want it on the Internet and I usually only get them to agree by getting in the picture with the.

Despite what we often think, some of the women actually want to have a life after prostitution and naked pictures of them on a site about prostitution won't help that.

[Wendella]

Posting photos, ie, naked, full body, face shots, in action, covered in whatever, it's all good. No sympathy or moral reckoning here. This is a business and it's uncontrolled in many instances. Who are any of you to decide what is right and proper in this industry? If anything, it should be considered free advertising.So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then?

I assume most people would agree that it's not ok if its their own face and balls being put up on the net, so it means not too many people actually think it's cool. We can't live in a world with one set of rules for you and another for everyone else.

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.

I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.

[Edgeman]

So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then?

I assume most people would agree that it's not ok if its their own face and balls being put up on the net, so it means not too many people actually think it's cool. We can't live in a world with one set of rules for you and another for everyone else.

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.

I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.Like I said. It's all good. We shall continue to post photos freely here and at other web sites. It's all part of the game! I pay my money for certain services. If photo services are included then I own the photos and can do what I please. Like it or not.

[Edward Behr]

If the girl found out, she might pay some guys to beat the crap out of you. And you would deserve it.I'll second that

[Member #4698]

So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then? I guess it would be ok if you told her you were going to post the pics on the net. And I'm pretty sure very few guys do that. Why? Because obviously she would say no then. So the guys posting the pics avoid that question knowing the girl won't pose for the picture if they do. So is it cool to post her nude pictures against her wishes? Well, just ask yourself, is it cool for someone to post nude pictures of you on the internet against your wishes.W, I am sure you are a nice guy and mean well by your girls in making your post. So am I, but I think you are trying too hard to find a point of dispute here.

I never had a girl ask to take my picture. Have you? The possibility of that is close to zero. I don't think anybody on this website would be interested in seeing naked pictures of me. I could be wrong, you never know. There is a risk of being 'exposed' on the internet if you frequent well know watering holes like Walking Street, Soi Cowboy or Fields and unknowingly walk in front of someone making a video. Then there is a possibility of your image showing up on YouTube. If this is not a risk you are willing to take, then don't go to these places. LOL. I don't care about this because I am not ashamed of what I do in Asia. I love Asian women and I see nothing wrong with P4P out here.

I just disagree with many of your assumptions contained in your post, Wendella. I don't think we live in world with two sets of values. We live in a world with hundreds of different sets of values. One of the reasons I like Asia so much is because it operates on a whole different set of values than the uptight, puritanical world of my home country. Also the fact that pussy costs 1500p to 4000p in AC, $25 to $40 in PP. 2000bt to 6000bt in BKK. 500hk to 2000hk in Hong Kong and 500hk to 2200hk in Macau compared to say $1000 for comparable quality and service in Vegas or South Florida doesn't hurt.

Look, I have been with over a hundred and fifty Asian women since I started travelling to Bangkok in 1989. I have had a lot of experience photographing my girls. I always ask my ladies if it is alright with them to take pictures. Some girls say no and I put the camera away. Some girls say ok, but ask me not to show the pictures on the internet. Yes they know about the internet. I agree and honor this request and do not post the pictures. I still show them to my friends. I don't care if this bothers you. It does no harm to the girls. Some girls are happy to have me take face shots or non naked pictures. Some girls love being shot naked and playfully strike all kinds of provocative sexual posses. Many Filipinas are like this, God bless their little hearts. And lastly some girls allow face and non naked body shots and then ask for additional money for the naked stuff. I have agreed to this a few times because the girl was super sexy. It is usually Thai girls that ask for additional money.

So I think your assumption that these are naïve innocent girls that need your protection from predators with cameras is false. The girls know the score and allow photographing only what they are comfortable with. Once they give me permission, the photos are my intellectual property. I share some of them with forum members not in a prurient way. I seriously don't think there are many board members whacking off to this stuff. I post photos for informational purposes only. Here is where you find sexy girls like this one. This bar is good. This is the going rate for girls like this. ECT. The pictures become a generic image not specific. Bar girls move around a lot. A girl hanging out last March in Rose Bar for example is probably long gone by the time I post and you see her picture. That said, sometimes I post a picture and another board member writes me telling me he knew the girl too and updates me on what she is doing like if she is still working the bar or has retired. By the way, I never post pictures of real girlfriends or amateur sexual friends on the internet which is an example of a different set of values you wrote of, I guess.

Anyway, it is all good. I understand you and others disagree. That is fine with me. It is your prerogative. No one is going to win this argument, which is why I regret bringing it up a few posts ago in the first place. If you really find various pictures objectionable then put me and other photo posters on ignore. In 13 days, I am boarding a plane and taking a 20 hour flight to Hong Kong to begin my 46 day 2012 excursion. I won't be visiting Penh on this trip. I will be stopping by HKG, Macau, AC, Cebu, Palawan (time off for beachcombing) , MNL, BKK and Pattaya. I don't think I will have the time to visit the ISG and make any posts while I am on the road. By the time I get back home in late March, this discussion will be long over. I'll post some trip reports in the appropriate threads when I get back. To everybody on the forum, take it easy, stay safe, stay thirsty and most important, get laid.

[Hatguy]

How long are the lines to get a visa-on-arrival at airport, please, and how much is it (from US). Still $25? Thanks for your help!FYI visa on arrival can be quite a long wait. I saw a few guys that obviously know the ropes sprint ahead of everyone when we got off the plane. You have to go to two different parts and queue. The first is the application place where you submit the form and pic with your passport. The second is where you pick up your passport and pay the fee. It is here where things can take forever because they have about 4 staff calling out first names. Thank fuck my name is not John or something common! USD$25 still when I went through Jan 3rd.

Air France cabin attendants were holding economy people back so the first class passengers could get off first. (Another question! Who flies first class one hour from BKK to PP?) don't know about other airlines but Air France were kinda dicks. I don't take kindly to being told to SIT DOWN by some frumpy ***** stewardess when the plane has clearly stopped moving and arrived at the terminal.

Oh and an added tip. Walk out the doors and cross the parking lot to the main road for a tuk tuk. You can get one for $5-$7 USD into downtown. Save yourself a couple of bucks and spend it on beer instead!

HATGUY

ps. D Cups. Love your posts. Not many big titted girls in PP from what I saw. Nice proportioned mainly. There was ONE in Rose bar that may suit. But she wanted 50 short time.

[Wendella]

Like I said. It's all good. We shall continue to post photos freely here and at other web sites. It's all part of the game! I pay my money for certain services. If photo services are included then I own the photos and can do what I please. Like it or not.Notice how carefully he evades all the key questions.

OK dude put your money where your mouth is. Send me a photo of yourself naked with your face showing to me by PM, and I'll post it in the gallery. All good? Hey it's all part of the game, man.

[Wendella]

very restrained and polite response, so i'll try to do the same.


i never had a girl ask to take my picture. have you?me either. maybe i'm just a 5 or a 6. but, if they did, would you let them? or what if the hotel had a hidden camera?


then there is a possibility of your image showing up on youtube.true, and unlike you i would not be too thrilled about that. and if i was in pattaya and caught some joker focusing on me with some girl, i'd walk right up to him, grab his camera and offer him one last chance to delete those pics immediately. but there are some big differences in that situation: 1. like most members here, i don't stroll down walking street nude; 2. that's a public place-legally speaking, he as a right to take my photo there. a hotel room is not a public place, a person is entitled to expect privacy in a hotel room, and especially if they're nude.


we live in a world with hundreds of different sets of values.true, but for a person to have ethics, they need to have one set that they abide by that pertains to themselves and also others. if they have one set of rules for themselves but it doesn't apply to others, that's what being unethical means. only reason i said anything was because that guy who posted on this said there was no 'moral reckoning' on this, that it's 'all good'. he's backing off now and just saying it happens and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. ok but that's also true of all theft, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and murder in the world, it doesn't make it ethical.


i always ask my ladies if it is alright with them to take pictures. some girls say no and i put the camera away. some girls say ok, but ask me not to show the pictures on the internet. yes they know about the internet. i agree and honor this request and do not post the pictures.it sounds like you make some attempt to do it right. tho i'd say if you want to put them up in a public place like this on the internet, then you should ask. not just presume they know. if it was back in your own country, the girl would probably be able to take you to court for doing that. a bedroom is not a public place, and nudity is as private as it gets. and if she was a hooker, she probably could get some street justice instead, and i don't' think you'd find too many people thinking you were wronged if you got beat up over something like that. more like you were asking for trouble and got what you had coming to you.


so i think your assumption that these are naïve innocent girls that need your protection from predators with cameras is false.that's not exactly my presumption. more like, they are human. maybe they know already, or maybe not. your assumption is that they know the pics will go on the internet, but there's only one way to check and prove that assumption is correct: ask. if they say it's ok, it's ok. if they say it's not ok, its not.

basically, posting pics on the internet is an extra service that you're taking from her without her consent, and probably against her wishes, for free. it's not much different than doing anal on her against her wishes or having your buddy pop out of the bathroom unexpected. only difference is that she's probably not aware you're taking this extra service from her.

[Betong]

FYI visa on arrival can be quite a long wait.I've been through a dozen or more times, most recently last week, and it's never taken more than about 20 minutes. By Cambodian standards that's a model of efficiency.


Another question! Who flies first class one hour from BKK to PP?People who want to get through immigration asap?

P. S. For anyone really in a hurry, I think they still have the e-visa thing online.

[Bartchamdo]

Guys, what is fastest / cheapest / best way to get from PP to Ho Chi Minh, please (on a Sunday)? Fly or boat or bus? Any info appreciated.Bus is quickest and is generally preferred. For some odd reason that short flight is more expensive than you'd think. When you account for times to and from the airports involved and the extra cost it usually works out to be much cheaper to take the bus and it takes only a bit longer. I'd recommend a specific bus company, but haven't done the trip enough times to have a solid opinion. Others can advise you.

[Bumholes1]

How long are the lines to get a visa-on-arrival at airport, please, and how much is it (from US). Still $25? Thanks for your help!E Visas are the way to go. $25, and no full page sticker to fill up your passport.

Unfortunately not available for all overland crossings, where you can be scammed in to parting with payment in Thai baht of 1000 or more.

[Titanio]

Guys, what is fastest / cheapest / best way to get from PP to Ho Chi Minh, please (on a Sunday)? Fly or boat or bus? Any info appreciated.Mehkong Express Street 102. They do a daily trip. Best bus company in PP and very reliable.

[Psychman]

very restrained and polite response, so i'll try to do the same.

me either. maybe i'm just a 5 or a 6. but, if they did, would you let them? or what if the hotel had a hidden camera?

true, and unlike you i would not be too thrilled about that. and if i was in pattaya and caught some joker focusing on me with some girl, i'd walk right up to him, grab his camera and offer him one last chance to delete those pics immediately. but there are some big differences in that situation: 1. like most members here, i don't stroll down walking street nude; 2. that's a public place-legally speaking, he as a right to take my photo there. a hotel room is not a public place, a person is entitled to expect privacy in a hotel room, and especially if they're nude.

true, but for a person to have ethics, they need to have one set that they abide by that pertains to themselves and also others. if they have one set of rules for themselves but it doesn't apply to others, that's what being unethical means. only reason i said anything was because that guy who posted on this said there was no 'moral reckoning' on this, that it's 'all good'. he's backing off now and just saying it happens and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it. ok but that's also true of all theft, [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and murder in the world, it doesn't make it ethical.

it sounds like you make some attempt to do it right. tho i'd say if you want to put them up in a public place like this on the internet, then you should ask. not just presume they know. if it was back in your own country, the girl would probably be able to take you to court for doing that. a bedroom is not a public place, and nudity is as private as it gets. and if she was a hooker, she probably could get some street justice instead, and i don't' think you'd find too many people thinking you were wronged if you got beat up over something like that. more like you were asking for trouble and got what you had coming to you.

that's not exactly my presumption. more like, they are human. maybe they know already, or maybe not. your assumption is that they know the pics will go on the internet, but there's only one way to check and prove that assumption is correct: ask. if they say it's ok, it's ok. if they say it's not ok, its not.

basically, posting pics on the internet is an extra service that you're taking from her without her consent, and probably against her wishes, for free. it's not much different than doing anal on her against her wishes or having your buddy pop out of the bathroom unexpected. only difference is that she's probably not aware you're taking this extra service from her.wendella- thank you for your excellent post- spot on in all regards.

[Daddy San]

The official Government eVisa website I use is:

www.mfaic.gov.kh/evisa/

In 2008, when I last got a eVisa, they still stuck a full page sticker in my passport. Don't they anymore nowadays?

Bumkoles, if you have a source of eVisa without the sticker, please post the website openly and your reward will be great (unlimited supply of beautiful ladyboys, next time you come to PNH)

DCups attention!
read the above website carefully!
1. eVisas can are for single entry only
2. you can get them only at international airports and at selected Points of Entry by Road.
From Vietnam, the ONLY one seems to be Bavet (Svay Rieng), on the road from HMC!

I'll be in PNH around February 15.
If you are still there, maybe we can meet for a beer and discuss Titanic Tits and Beautiful Booty

[Rjsss212]

Very restrained and polite response, so I'll try to do the same.W,

I think your perspective is skewed and the needle on your moral compass is mis-alligned.

Simply, your argument is not practical but academic.

I have heard this same argument many times, and maybe even by you, in the LOS thread mostly but it applies to all of Asia and most ofthe world as well.

You might have a better argument if ALL the world spoke the same language which they don't and IF there was a real chance that poor, uneducated sex-working girls in Asia or anywhere else had computers and could navigate English which they don't and can't.

Many Asian working girls have no or basic English skills at best (most don't) and almost ALL have no writing skills. When asked for a number and a name it usually takes them 40 seconds to write it in pigeon scratch and many times they cross it out and start again becauseit is hard for them.

How many have computers? 1% MAYBE? Are they surfing English websites? No, they are surfing in their language if they surf at all. Most don't. If they do they go to sites they know or which benefit them in some way. Does ISG offer a translated version with little flags in the upper right hand corner? No.

OK, so they have no computer and surf in a café. Are they paying good working girl money to TRY and surf sex sites in English? No they are not. There are billions of sites, millions of sex sites, hundreds of sites like ISG. How and why are they getting to the ISG site? Because some idiot monger shows them? Sure, possible because as we well know there are a lot of idiots that read this site but really at the end of the day that situation is a one off if it happens at all.

Don't believe it?

Then tell me how many actual cases have you heard of that an Asian working girl found ISG for one? And secondly how was she or how many were actually hurt in ANY way? And please don't say if its 1 it's too many. Please tell me how many you've heard of? You've been around, had many hundreds and probably thousands of working girls as have I and most serious mongers – please tell me how many? You can't.

If one did and was uspet how long would she be upset? Certainly not past her next BBBJ's right? And how was she hurt? Was her current or prospective Cambosian, Thai, etc. Boyfriend upset? HE's the same as she is and probably couldn't turn on a computer so how was her life affected?

Lastly, you suggest that they might post our picture if taken and how would we feel.

Well this argument is like comparing granny smith apples to durian seeds.

Because – if some girl posted my picture in a Cambodian language only, working girl website – which would be the Cambodian / Thai, or whatever, equivalent of ISG, it would be an EXTREMELY small audience in a language only understood by a few. Who would care? There are thousands of trade industry publications OR even better, if your picture was posted in a small local Russian language newspaper, read by 15, 000 in a small Russian town like Vladivostok, how would it affect you? That's about the equivalent of what the ISG site is in the world.

So in the end, isn't yours just a case of the 'falling tree in the forest making a sound' argument.

[Bumholes1]

The official Government eVisa website I use is:

www.mfaic.gov.kh/evisa/

In 2008, when I last got a eVisa, they still stuck a full page sticker in my passport. Don't they anymore nowadays?

Bumkoles, if you have a source of eVisa without the sticker, please post the website openly and your reward will be great (unlimited supply of beautiful ladyboys, next time you come to PNH)

DCups attention!

Read the above website carefully!

1. EVisas can are for single entry only.

2. You can get them only at international airports and at selected Points of Entry by Road.

From Vietnam, the ONLY one seems to be Bavet (Svay Rieng) , on the road from HMC!

I'll be in PNH around February 15.

If you are still there, maybe we can meet for a beer and discuss Titanic Tits and Beautiful BootyThe government web site quoted is the one I use.

Your point 2 is incorrect. You can only USE them at international airports (PP and SR) and at SOME overland crossings (Poipet and Koh Kong)

You are provided with an e mail visa which you print 2 copies of. One is taken upon arrival and the other on departure, Nothing is stuck in your passport. You just receive entry and exit stamps.

The e-visa is single entry, costs $25 and must be used within 3 months of the date of issue.

Thanks for the offer of ladyboys Daddy San. Unless desperate I think I will stick to the Khmer lasses!

[Wendella]

W,I haven't posted in the Thai section in a long long time (Last time I went to Thailand was about 5 yrs ago). Don't remember posting about this over there, but it's possible.

So where are you getting your statistics? [if Jackson would let me, I'd insert a winky smiley face here] I have no idea how many working girls have computers and internet. I have seen plenty of them in internet cafes though. They use dating sites for sure. I've also come across plenty of reports (right here on ISG) of guys letting the girls get a look at ISG and other sites like it. Right here in this thread we have Cambodian touts come on and post sometimes, so we know they're aware of this site at least. So right off the bat, I'm not exactly trusting your analysis.

But none of this actually matters much, the question is whether they have a right to privacy or not. It's a pretty basic human right. And the person who should be judging what the boundaries of their privacy are is they themselves, not some snap-happy sex tourist. But don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. Are you against letting them have any say in it? And if they say they're against it, is it still ok?

To me, this one seems blatantly obvious. If some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him. It seems to take some impressive mental gymnastics to then presume that it would be a total non-issue for the girls.

But really. I'll be the first to admit, if I see an interesting post with a pic attached, I'll probably take a look. I feel a bit guilty if I do, but I do look. I can recognize that it's not exactly kosher and still go ahead and do it. Some guys seem to need to rationalize everything they do as moral and of utmost integrity. That just seems weird to me. Just admit the obvious: it's cleary not a good thing, posting nude pics without consent. What, you're a 100% good person? Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.

[Rjsss212]

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]I haven't posted in the Thai section in a long long time (Last time I went to Thailand was about 5 yrs ago). Don't remember posting about this over there, but it's possible.

So where are you getting your statistics? [QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

I ask them all. Just a few years ago I was able to come 6 maybe 7 times but alas no more. Now 3 maybe 4 if I push it and I only take girls long time so that leaves a lot of time (too much actually) to talk.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101] I have no idea how many working girls have computers and internet. I have seen plenty of them in internet cafes though. They use dating sites for sure. I've also come across plenty of reports (right here on ISG) of guys letting the girls get a look at ISG and other sites like it. Right here in this thread we have Cambodian touts come on and post sometimes, so we know they're aware of this site at least. So right off the bat, I'm not exactly trusting your analysis.

But none of this actually matters much, the question is whether they have a right to privacy or not. It's a pretty basic human right.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

Hmmm, you use the term too loosly.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]And the person who should be judging what the boundaries of their privacy are is they themselves, not some snap-happy sex tourist.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

I'm hardly 'snap-happy' whatever that means.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]But don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. Are you against letting them have any say in it? And if they say they're against it, is it still ok?
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

No, its not.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]To me, this one seems blatantly obvious.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

Hmmm, personal opinion. Nothing obvious about it.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]If some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

TOO hypothetical. Was I forced forced? Then, yes, I'd be angry. Did I pose? Then no, I just made a bad decision. If I posed naked for someone how could I be pissed if they used them at their discretion? I've walked the length of Soi Cowbow at least 500 times in front of guys taking pics, video, missionary's preaching, news reporters, etc. Doesn't bother me at all.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

It seems to take some impressive mental gymnastics to then presume that it would be a total non-issue for the girls.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

Nope, no double gainer here – see below.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]But really. I'll be the first to admit, if I see an interesting post with a pic attached, I'll probably take a look.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

You don't probably look – you open the photo thread like everyone else – hypocritical maybe?

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]I feel a bit guilty if I do, but I do look. I can recognize that it's not exactly kosher and still go ahead and do it. Some guys seem to need to rationalize everything they do as moral and of utmost integrity.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

Your morality is personal not universal.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]That just seems weird to me. Just admit the obvious: it's cleary not a good thing, posting nude pics without consent. What, you're a 100% good person?
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

Nope, I'm anything but a saint. I've done things that would make your toes curl. BUT I don't fuck people (in the figurative sense).

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.
[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

So posting pics with a consent form make me a bad person? See below.

Your response to my post employs the same skewed perspective and selective logic as your argument. You've cherry-picked the parts you like and deem 'rights' where you see fit and discarded the rest at your convenience..

I'm guessing you come from a western country. Well in your country they have deemed prostitution illegal and immoral. And, have determined that in fact humans can not make rational decisions when 'easy' money is involved and CAN NOT choose how to use their bodies and have a 'right' to be FORCED not to engage in this 'easy money' endeavor and these countries enforce it legally.

Yet you discard this rational as an impingement of personal freedoms and have elected to engage in what YOU feel is more 'rational' application of human rights by engaging in prostitution simply because that is what YOU think is a personal 'right'.

Even though it is not legal in Asian countries either. How convenient.

Yet by that same logic, when a girl willingly poses for pictures, is outrageously compensated (by local salary standards) and suffers no subsequent harm or damages you suddenly imbue her with your own imagined 'rights'. When in fact she simply MAY HAVE made a bad decision, and as we know decisions have consequences.

Only in the western world where lawyers rule are people absolved from their bad decisions and in fact made to be martyrs as you have made her. IF she were harmed in any way then she should simply choose differently next time – simple. Are you a lawyer?

Now if she were forced in some way it would be a different story. But in actuality she was anything but forced. She actually seemed to enjoy herself and was not forced in any way. She enjoyed my booze, laughed a lot and enjoyed (apparently) the fine hotel amenities, came to orgasm and was paid an outrageous amount of money (by local standared) – hardly a travesty and WILLINGLY posed WITHOUT qualifying what use the photos would be put to. In fact she did not want to leave!!! When she posed she made a V with her index and middle fingers (as is popular in Asia) and put her tongue in between as if to suggest an act of female to female oral sex. Hard to force someone to do that!

I am a gentleman.

IF she had said no pics then I would not take them.

IF she said no internet then I would not post them.

SHE DID NOT.

So now, absent any prior objections and in the harsh light of day, you want to imbue her with your imaginary 'rights' when in fact she was well aware of what she was doing, well compensated and in hindsight MAY HAVE made a bad decision.

If she had entered into a legally binding contract for a restaurant lease and realized later that nobody ever walks past the corner she chose for her restaurant and that she made a bad decision would you absolve her as well as having 'rights' not to make such a bad decision and void the lease? Of course not.

In the United States it has been determined that you are not responsible for watching where you walk. If a sidewalk has a large crack and you trip and fall it is not your fault but instead the sidewalk owners fault. Is it a basic international human right to be careless in where you walk or careless in the decisions you willingly make?

I guarantee you IT IS NOT!

People are responsible for their actions unless they were deceived or tricked. The bargirl was neither.

So how you apply your 'rights' seems strictly an arbitrary decision made by you and / or your culture AND at YOUR convenience.

The bar girl was just that – carless in her decision to pose at worst AND she suffered no harm except in your mind.

I say that unless you were there to hear it then the tree, when it fell, made no sound and bothered no one.

RESPECT!

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to correct sections of the report that were obviously written by bypassing the Forums Text Cleanup Script. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. [i]Thank You!

[WestCoast1]

RJSSS, learn to use the 'end quote'. This:


Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]

should be:

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.

as in:

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.[/ QUOTE]

[Rjsss212]

RJSSS, learn to use the 'end quote'. This:

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]should be:

As in:

[QUOTE=Wendella; 1240101]Please. I'm sure not. And if I'm not, the guy who does that sure isn't.[/ QUOTE]I didn't know that and was disappointed in the result as well. But then you got the opportunity to "learn" me, didn't you.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to correct sections of the report that were obviously written by bypassing the Forums Text Cleanup Script. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!

[Member #4698]

RJ, I want to compliment you on the great photographs you post in the Thai Photo gallery and just now on this thread. Your Nana girl is spectacular and the pictures of the Soi 33 hostess illustrate the informational benefit of posting and why we post pictures. I have been to Soi 33 bars and found only a few of the hostess's worthy of a bar fine. Your photos prove beyond words that it is possible to find a nice women there. And isn't that the whole point of this forum? The free flow of information about the monger scene worldwide. But, I am afraid there is no argument, no matter how logical that will convince the naysayers and on the other side, no so called compassionate argument no matter how heartfelt that will convince us. Wendella truly believes what he is saying and he is entitled to his POV, but he comes very close to insult when he tries to make his case and he should be very careful of that. Look, if you strongly believe the photos somehow violates a girls right to privacy, than take it up with Jackson, although I doubt you will get very far with him on this. The girls tacitly give up their right of privacy when they pose for the pictures. No one is taking hidden camera shots. There is no coercion. It is their absolute right to refuse or to not permit naked shots. Asking them if they mind being posted on ISG is a negative leading question and a vibe killer. In order to create high quality pictures that capture a girl's sexiness and what she is about, she must be comfortable in front of the camera. Some girls take to being photographed like a fish to water, other girls are more wary. You have to make the shy ones feel comfortable in front of the camera and relaxed in order to get the good shots. The bottom line is if a girl asks me to keep her pictures private I comply with her wishes. The girls are always inquisitive about how their photographs look and I always show them the shots. If they don't like a particular shot, I erase it for them or try to persuade them of its merits. So the girls have a lot of say about their photos and exercise an important degree of editorial content by agreeing to pose in the first place, to pose naked, and approving of the final pictures. Add to that the possibility of any photo causing the girl real harm is so low (as has been pointed out by me and RJ) that it is effectively zero. What more can we say? The argument of how would I like my own naked pictures posted here is pretty farfetched. Maybe in another lifetime I will be reincarnated as a Thai Go Go girl posing for pictures taken by Wendella. That would be karma, baby. Of course I could always decide to work in a factory as millions of others do or maybe get lucky working as waitress in a coffee shop, but then I would not be making the big money in nightlife scene. Free Choice. It is all about free choice.

[WestCoast1]

True, and unlike you I would not be too thrilled about that. And if I was in Pattaya and caught some joker focusing on me with some girl, I'd walk right up to him, grab his camera and offer him one last chance to delete those pics immediately.Fairly presumptuous. Offer him once last chance to delete those pics, and if he chooses not to? They belong to him. Its not like you're going to grab his camera and delete them or break the camera. How do you feel about Cambodian jail? Or getting your butt kicked by his friends later? Wendella, you mentioned the girl's right to privacy, but I have to tell you that is just a feeling. When in public (in any country) you have no legal right to privacy. Even in the US, where a majority of people (mistakenly) believe they have a right to privacy, you don't have that. Anyone with a vid camera can take your picture or video and do what they want with it. Papparazi have rights, too, including snapping a pic of a celebrity without her makeup in the grocery store and posting it online. There is little one can do about it. While I, too, share the feeling that 'privacy' should be a legal right, there simply is none. Several decades ago, a US supreme Court justice mentioned the right to privacy in a ruling, and the public gobbled it up, thinking they all had that as a right. He would, years later, say he regretted mentioning it (as there is no legal basis for such).


Basically, posting pics on the internet is an extra service that you're taking from her without her consent, and probably against her wishes, for free. It's not much different than doing anal on her against her wishes or having your buddy pop out of the bathroom unexpected. Only difference is that she's probably not aware you're taking this extra service from her.In my case, that's not true. I rarely post a full facial shot, I tend to blot out the eyes, tattoos, jewelry, to hide her identity. However, I tell every girl I'm with (pro's or dating site contacts, girls from the mall, etc) that I will be photographing her. They ALL agree to it in advance. I never leave it up to chance that in the room she might say 'no' to pics. If they say, 'Don't put on internet, ' I tell them not to bother coming with me. I tell them I will use the pics how I please. As you have no idea what agreement I have with my girls, and you have no idea the agreement other guys have with the girls, what difference does it make to you what they post, unless you are being presumptuous (assuming)?


So I guess if someone got nude photos of you (or someone close to you) that showed your face, and posted those in a sex forum, that would be all good then?You have asked the good question. The others have answered it. NO its not good if someone else posts my nude pics, because I didn't consent to it. However, all of my girls DID consent to it (see Indonesia and filipines photogalleries, hundreds of pics). You have NO IDEA what those girls consented to before writing this drivel. Post your pics as you would like to, and enjoy the pics of others. I read thru the last several pages in the Cambodia photogallery, and the last 20 or so of your (many) reports. Not a single picture posted: are you backseat driving?

[WestCoast1]

RJ, I want to compliment you on the great photographs you post in the Thai Photo gallery and just now on this thread.Ditto!


In order to create high quality pictures that capture a girl's sexiness and what she is about, she must be comfortable in front of the camera. Some girls take to being photographed like a fish to water, other girls are more wary. You have to make the shy ones feel comfortable in front of the camera and relaxed in order to get the good shots.Concur. If you look at my pics, and read my reports, you will see many girls have turned into cam-ho's once in the room. They (or a friend / cousin they brought along) will take dozens of pics of themselves in the room, before / during / after the play, just for fun.

[Rjsss212]

It is all about free choice.Thanks. I enjoy it and they seem to as well. I just got back from 3 ½ weeks in BKK over the holidays. I never count but I had 2 different girls every day and some days 3. I took pics of almost all but many asked that I not post them so I did not which is why you didn't see 50+/- different picture postings postings from me. Plus it's a little just time consuming as well.

I know these girls don't have computers because they go frantic when I give them my old ones. I like computers and buy a new laptop every 2 or 3 years. My nephews won't take them caus they're spoilt silly and I can't just throw them out so I give them to the girls I like the best. They can either practice their English or re-load with a bootleg local language version of Windows with stickers on the keys.

BTW, they were ALL from Nana this trip!

[Butt Ugly]

Before I took any compromising pictures od any one I would go back several years and read dirtybennies posts in the Phnom Penh tread.

[CaptainStrong]

During my 5-day stay in Phnom Penh, I had 2 different mongering experiences. One was with a girl I picked up in the Walkabout Hotel / Bar, and the other was with a streetwalker I picked up at the park between 106th and 108th Street (near the Night Market). I'll start with the girl I picked up from Walkabout, and I'll tell you all about the other girl at the park in a separate post.

It was around 1:00 AM on a late Friday night / early Saturday morning when I decided to stroll into the Walkabout. There was at least 10 chicks downstairs, some were sitting around doing nothing, while others were playing pool. There was maybe only 3 guys in the bar including myself. I played a couple of games of pool with one of the girls, and then I decided to sit down and have one mug of Angkor Draft. As I was drinking my beer, one of the girls sat down at my table with me. She was probably in her early 30s, and she was about a 7 out of 10 looks-wise.

She asked me where I am from and all of the other usual introductory questions. We eventually got to the point, and I told her that all I want is a blowjob. She tells me I can have ST for $30, but I emphasized to her that all I want is a blowjob. I told her I can give her $10 for the blowjob, and she agreed immediately.

We leave the bar, and she takes me to a short-stay hotel just right around the corner from the bar. I paid $3 to be able to use the room for 1 hour. Once we get to the room, she suggests that I take shower. I decided to just wash my privates since I don't expect to be there that long. After I am done, she also takes a quick shower. I am surprised to see how firm her naked body is. She also has full B-cup breasts that look quite nice.

Once she is done showering, we both lie naked on the bed together. She caresses my body for a minute or two, and then she gets to the sucking. I can see right away that she really doesn't know how to suck a dick. After about 2 minutes of not-so-great sucking, we get in the 69 position. I am going down on her as she goes down on me, and it seems like she enjoys it. After about 3 minutes of 69ing, I came by her hand. Unfortunately, I did not get to cum in her mouth, but rather onto my own stomach, which is not very appealing to me.

Regardless of her not knowing how to give head very well, she was still a very sweet girl, and she tried her best to make me feel comfortable. I imagine she would be much better to fuck, rather than to get a blowjob from. She didn't hassle me any whatsoever, and she was very pleasant to be around. I rate her looks as a 7, her performance a 3, and her enthusiasm / personality as an 8. In the end, I only paid $13 total ($3 for the room and $10 for the blowjob). I didn't have to pay any kind of bar fine, or anything else like that. I wouldn't say I regret the experience with her, but I would probably rather just fuck her if I met up with her again.

I'll let you all know about the other half of my mongering experiences in Phnom Penh in the next day or two.

[Wendella]

while i, too, share the feeling that 'privacy' should be a legal right, there simply is none. several decades ago, a us supreme court justice mentioned the right to privacy in a ruling, and the public gobbled it up, thinking they all had that as a right. he would, years later, say he regretted mentioning it (as there is no legal basis for such).someone down the page introduced the scenario of taking my picture on walking street. which i followed up on. but that's actually a bad comparison, because what we are talking about here really are shots taken inside a hotel room while nude and or in the act itself. you're right that i would have no legal right at all to delete that guy's pictures on walking street, and otherwise it comes down to what i personally feel is a violation. i have been a photographer taking candid street shots before, and you can't do that and not consider that one of your subjects might take offense and decide to do something. but this is beside the point of what we're really arguing about. a hotel room isn't walking street. walking street is public space. a hotel room isn't. the paparrazi aren't allowed to hide in your closet or take peeping tom shots into your bedroom window. and the news of the world just got closed down for invading people's privacy, so it's not as if privacy doesn't exist as a legal or moral concept.


as you have no idea what agreement i have with my girls, and you have no idea the agreement other guys have with the girls, what difference does it make to you what they post, unless you are being presumptuous (assuming)?well i did say "if they don't consent" so if you got consent to post pics on the internet, which it sounds like you at least sometimes do, then none of what i said would apply to you (in those cases at least. i guess it would apply in the cases where you don't get consent. don't worry i have no way of keeping track).


no its not good if someone else posts my nude pics, because i didn't consent to it. however, all of my girls did consent to itbear with me. let's imagine you woke up and your camera sim was missing. and later you discovered that embarrassing shots of yourself from the previous evening's activities were now up on a popular website. you would be ok with that? no hard feelings?

you said something about my backseat driving about photos. yeah i guess i do. i'm not too keen on them to be honest. i don't read the photo galleries, and almost none of the pics i see up here do anything for me in terms of excitement. other guys do dig it, different strokes different folks i guess.

what was the word you used. drivel? cmon dude. we're just yakking here.

[Wendella]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1240172]Dude, that huge post of yours is making my head hurt. I want to reply, honestly. But man that's a tough one to figure out how to reply to. I'm reading it thinking, wait a second I was the one who said that. Hang on, I didn't say that. Oh that's him again. Is there any way to fix that?

[Wendella]

i ask them all. just a few years ago i was able to come 6 maybe 7 times but alas no more. now 3 maybe 4 if i push it and i only take girls long time so that leaves a lot of time (too much actually) to talk.i forgot: what question is it you ask them? come 6 or 7 times? are we talking about number of times per year you came to thailand, or with a girl per session? either way i'm impressed.


i'm hardly 'snap-happy' whatever that means.somebody who loves taking photos. i was thinking more of some hypothetical sex tourist, not you.





but don't try to persuade me about it, go ask them if they think they have a right to not have their pic posted on the net. are you against letting them have any say in it? and if they say they're against it, is it still ok?no, its not.noted.





to me, this one seems blatantly obvious.hmmm, personal opinion. nothing obvious about it.well i did say "to me". but what's obvious about it to me is that i'd be pretty furious if someone posted pics of me on the internet, so i instantly recognize that this would also be true for most people, so it would then naturally occur to me that doing it to someone else when i would never want it to happen to me is something that would probably not be "good".





if some guy posted a picture of you naked in the act on the internet, you'd want to kill him.too hypothetical. was i forced forced? then, yes, i'd be angry. did i pose? then no, i just made a bad decision. if i posed naked for someone how could i be pissed if they used them at their discretion? i've walked the length of soi cowbow at least 500 times in front of guys taking pics, video, missionary's preaching, news reporters, etc. doesn't bother me at all.let's try to think of a plausible situation. you're in your hotel room with a girl and taking her pictures. she pulls out her phone and starts snapping naked shots of you. a few days later you discover they're already up on youtube in a slide show. you're ok with that?





but really. i'll be the first to admit, if i see an interesting post with a pic attached, i'll probably take a look.you don't probably look – you open the photo thread like everyone else – hypocritical maybe?maybe. to clarify, you're talking about the photo thread. i have seen them. i don't really go check them out these days, more interested in the talking threads than the pictures. what i do look at sometimes is photos attached to posts in a thread like this one. when i said "probably" i meant that if the post caught my attention, most times i would look at the photo, so "probably" means more than half the time. but back to hypocritical: the only reason i piped up about this is because some guy said there were no moral issues involved in this at all. i sometimes do things that are bad, sometimes do things that are good. i don't feel any need to claim that the bad things i do are actually not bad.


nope, i'm anything but a saint. i've done things that would make your toes curl. but i don't fuck people (in the figurative sense).i hear you, and it seems to me like you make an effort to do right by the girls, be a gentleman as you say. which is cool. and you think the girls are aware of what's involved when their pics get taken. if that's true, and maybe it is. like if this is much talked about in the trade there and they're all brought up to speed about it by the sisterhood. you say somewhere that to ask for consent for the internet is a mood-killer, a leading question. which i can imagine if i was in that situation, i can see how it would be. how even if she was cool with it normally, how explicitly saying so would lead her to say no. but on the other hand, there's also the occasional clueless country girl who has no idea about all this, so if they have no idea about what they're really consenting to, and would be against it if they did know. well judging by what you've said elsewhere it sounds like you think that wouldn't be cool.


so posting pics with a consent form make me a bad person?you meant "without" right? assuming thats what you meant, the answer is no. we're all human, and we all do some good things and some bad ones, me included. maybe this is the problem, that some guys here think if you do one bad thing it makes you a bad person. so then if you give a homeless guy a dollar, suddenly you're a "good person"? what if you do both? it'd take a lot more than your photos here of working girls to make you a bad person.


i'm guessing you come from a western country. well in your country they have deemed prostitution illegal and immoral. and, have determined that in fact humans can not make rational decisions when 'easy' money is involved and can not choose how to use their bodies and have a 'right' to be forced not to engage in this 'easy money' endeavor and these countries enforce it legally.i don't' think it's just western countries where prostitution is stigmatized.


yet you discard this rational as an impingement of personal freedoms and have elected to engage in what you feel is more 'rational' application of human rights by engaging in prostitution simply because that is what you think is a personal 'right'.no i wouldn't say that. i've engaged in it, but wasn't ever thinking it had much to do with my human rights.


yet by that same logic, when a girl willingly poses for pictures, is outrageously compensated (by local salary standards) and suffers no subsequent harm or damages you suddenly imbue her with your own imagined 'rights'.well i know she's human. and i know humans have rights.


only in the western world where lawyers rule are people absolved from their bad decisions and in fact made to be martyrs as you have made her. if she were harmed in any way then she should simply choose differently next time – simple. are you a lawyer?dude this is getting a little off topic. no, i'm not a lawyer. i don't' have the strong feelings about lawyers that you seem to have.

i'm going to skip the rest because it seemed to have so many capital letters that it seemed like you were shouting or really ticked off or something. maybe now that you know i'm not a lawyer we can take it down a notch. (also because i have to go get something to eat before they close up)

ok getting the quotes right on this was a nightmare. i can't do that again. any posts like that with screwed up quotes, i'm sorry, no reply. just too too time consuming

[Edgeman]

What a horrible waste of bandwidth. If people don't want to be embarressed by a photo then don't engage in the embarrassing activity. I enjoying viewing the full body nudity, face shots, and all the other variations that we see here on this website. We'll continue and it really doesn't matter if you agree or not or like it or not. This is a business and it's important to document the goods on offer. Imagine if this was tolerated on E-bay!


I forgot: what question is it you ask them? Come 6 or 7 times? Are we talking about number of times per year you came to Thailand, or with a girl per session? Either way I'm impressed.

Somebody who loves taking photos. I was thinking more of some hypothetical sex tourist, not you.

Noted.

Well I did say "To me". But what's obvious about it to me is that I'd be pretty furious if someone posted pics of me on the internet, so I instantly recognize that this would also be true for most people, so it would then naturally occur to me that doing it to someone else when I would never want it to happen to me is something that would probably not be "good".

Let's try to think of a plausible situation. You're in your hotel room with a girl and taking her pictures. She pulls out her phone and starts snapping naked shots of you. A few days later you discover they're already up on Youtube in a slide show. You're ok with that?

[Rjsss212]

[QUOTE=Rjsss212; 1240172]Dude, that huge post of yours is making my head hurt. I want to reply, honestly. But man that's a tough one to figure out how to reply to. I'm reading it thinking, wait a second I was the one who said that. Hang on, I didn't say that. Oh that's him again. Is there any way to fix that?Yea, that was a nightmare! I'll never do that again (knowingly). I didn't mean to appear shouting if it did I was just nauseas from reading my own post!

I don't care about lawyers except that they created this mess in the US. Nobody is responsible for their actions. Its always someone else's fault no matter how stupid the person was so the answer is to sue, sue, sue under the guise of stopping such things or teaching a lesson. Just a big money grab.

That's one of the refreshing things about traveling to lesser developed countries. People take more responsibility for their actions and are generally less cavalier and don't expect the police or courts or public media to protect them. Ask any Thai person what they think of the police and they will tell you that the police are the criminals (mafia) and they are very reluctant to engage them (unless that person has money) so instead their actions in life are more careful because they have to be. A little like people carrying concealed weapons in Texas – think twice before you flip someone the finger at a red light though that's really a little too extreme an example. One last digression – in the Dominican Republic, for 5000 pesos ($130) you could have somebody roughed up (or worse). Makes everyone more responsible for their actions.

So it seems that your 2 main points are: What if our pics were posted on the net and girls objecting to their pics being posted.

Well you don't sound that young and neither am I so it wasn't that long ago that we didn't have to worry about this stuff because only newspapers and TV could distribute pics and unless you were famous or did something incredibly stupid you would never make either. Now however it is totally different. How many stories do we have to read about some young teacher posting a pic of herself on her Facebook page dancing on a bar in a miniskirt with beads around her neck balancing a shotglass on her head getting fired the next week for inappropriate behavior?

If I allow a pic of myself, no matter what the situation, then I deserve whatever is coming – period! Unless the taker is trusted then don't do it. Simple.

Now if tricked, deceived or worse then its different and I agree with you. But that's the same with anything and that's what police and courts are for (or street justice if available).

These girls are very savvy. They have learned how to navigate the complex and dangerous world of pay for sex. They're money savvy, they know how to please you not because they want to most of the time but because it will get them their money. They often turn down mongers or quote high prices because maybe he's a cheapo but many times because his hygiene is bad and it would be unpleasant or worse they may catch something or worse they may feel its unsafe. They're safety savvy. Just have some of these girls start telling you about their worst experiences and it will go on for hours. Talk about a mood killer! They are very savvy. They're savvy about drugs, cellphones, touts, police, etc. So they should be savvy about pics as well.

OK, worst case – the next monger after me shows a girl my posted pic of her on ISG. She's horrified. Goes home, thinks about it and quits the business. More likely though, after getting back on stage that night in nothing but a g-string and thinking about it while dancing (or swaying rather) she will remind herself not to do that again and be more responsible with her actions – now she's savvy about something else and won't do that again (much like me and my silly post with mis-alligned quotes). Where is the real harm or damages?

No lost boyfriend, no job opportunity lost – nothing but hurt feelings. Sad but not at all tragic. And you still haven't given me and stories or examples of harm or damage for all YOUR concern anecdotally or otherwise.

I think like plane crashes – the percentages are very, very small overall but the damage is almost negligible if at all.

That's all I got. I like a good discussion once in a while so for those who don't or didn't like this one sorry to waste your time and the bandwidth.

EDITOR'S NOTE: This report was edited to correct sections of the report that were obviously written by bypassing the Forums Text Cleanup Script. Please read the Forum FAQ and the Forum's Posting Guidelines for more information. Thank You!

[Wendella]

Before I took any compromising pictures od any one I would go back several years and read dirtybennies posts in the Phnom Penh tread.What would you learn from that? Sorry I don't remember what he posted about, and too busy to spend time researching the archives. What's the gist?

[GreenBud]

What would you learn from that? Sorry I don't remember what he posted about, and too busy to spend time researching the archives. What's the gist?1) He claims that he was arrested for taking R-rated pics / videos, and he had to pay a huge bribe to get out.

2) I heard of a story from my Paris hotel transport driver that a foreignor was arrested for making pornos in his room; he said his windows was open, and a neighbor called the police.

3) He claims that it was him, and he said that he had his windows closed. He said that he thought it was Paris hotel transport drivers that turned him in. He said that he thought it wasn't his girls from Le Cryee because he "trusted" them.

Comment: Whatever the story is, all fears and potential problems can be eliminated if you immediately transfer your pics / videos to your laptop and encrypt it with good software.

[Wendella]

What a horrible waste of bandwidth.Point taken. This thread is supposed to be about Phnom Penh action. Since this discussion about posting photos is getting a bit out of control, maybe better if we have another thread for it. Especially since it seems to be a really divisive issue. Nobody seems to have a middle ground position on it.

I'll take my next post about it (directed at Rjsss212) to another thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3284-Discussion-about-posting-pictures-

(there-s-no-photos-here)

Westcoast and Natty Bumpo, hope you guys also check it out. If you want. I'm running out of things to say about it, as I'm sure people can tell.

This dirtybenny thing takes it in a whole other direction I wasn't expecting though.

[CaptainStrong]

Well, not too sure if anyone is paying attention, but here's part II of my earlier post about my so-so mongering experiences in Phnom Penh:

The second time around, I went for a streetwalker in the park betweek 106th and 108th street. I had read in some rather old posts about the streetwalkers there, so I figured I'd give one of them a try. When I arrived to the park around 9 PM, I saw a pack of four women wandering around aimlessly. They said Hello, to me as I walked by, and they were dressed like hookers, so I immediately came to the conclusion that they were freelancers.

Only one of them spoke English, and I guess maybe she is a mama-san slash freelancer herself. She wasn't really attractive at all, but one of her friends was. Her friend looked quite young, like maybe 21-years-old. Unfortunately, her friend didn't speak one word of English. The mama-san told me I could have her for ST for $10, so I agreed. She told me I could ride on the back of the girl's motorcycle, and she would drive her and I to a short-term hotel just across the street. Normally, I wouldn't dare get on the back of a stranger's motorcycle, especially in a third world country, but the mama-san was super nice, and she didn't seem as if she was trying to set me up to be mugged or something.

I get on the back of the girl's motorcycle, and she drives us to a place across the street, but it's closed. We try like three other places, but they are all fully-booked. We eventually make our way near 51st Street, and we finally find a place with a room available. The hotel owner tells me it'll be $5 for 1 hour, but I tell him I will only pay $3, and he immediately agrees. So off we go to our seedy, short-stay room.

Once we get to the room, both me and the girl undress, she puts a condom on my dick after some slight hand-stroking, and then she lays on the bed in the missionary position. I start banging the girl for like 3 minutes, and she looks very uncomfortable the whole time. She is not saying anything or doing anything, but I can just tell by looking at her face that she is in pain. I absolutely hate when I get into this situation because there's not a thing I can do to make my dick smaller.

I then signal to her to flip over so we can do doggy, but she shakes her head no. I signal to her one more time to flip over, but again she shakes her head no. Missionary is my least favorite position, so I knew the remainder of my time with her wasn't going to be very exciting. No passion at all. A total starfish.

Since there is nothing else we can do, I just fuck her for like 3 minutes more until I cum into the condom I'm wearing. We then both get up and start getting dressed. Three minutes later I give her a ten dollar bill, and we both go our separate ways. Definitely not a very good experience, but I'm not surprised considering the price I paid. More often than not, you get what you pay for, regardless of the country or city you're mongering in.

The girl was probably a 7 out of 10 look-wise, because she was young and in pretty good shape. She looked slightly pudgy, but in a good way. Her breasts were probably a small B cup. As for the sex, I would rate that as a 2 out of 10. I am only giving her a couple of points because she had a decent pussy that looked and felt nice and was kept pretty clean. The girl had a decent attitude, but we couldn't communicate any because of the language barrier. Regardless, I wouldn't have any interest in banging her again because the sex completely sucked, and I was only allowed one position, which just happens to be my least favorite.

If any of you reading this decide to go mongering in that park, I recommend you pick a slightly older chick. I imagine the sex would be notably better that way.

[Member #4698]

I am sorry to hear about your So-So Mongering Experiences so far in Phnom, Captain. It was a bold move to look for FL's in the park. I have never found anybody worthy in these locations, but you can't knock a guy for trying. I think you need to change your game plan just a little. I have three suggestions: the first is go back to Walkabout and pay the BJ girl $20 (or $25 if she won't come down) for the full service plan. You say you liked her and she was attractive, so I think you will have a better time the 2nd time around. Tell her you really like her and want to make love to her three times. Also why use the ST Hotels? I suggest you take her back to your hotel, treat her good, have some booze in the room and she should stay for multiple shots. Give her a tip if she shows you a good time. My second suggestion is head over to 104st and check out a few bars over there. Find the most attractive girl or girls you can find, buy her a beer, and if she passes the interview; take her back to your hotel again, for multiple shots. Tell the girl what you want before you take her out of the bar. My experience with Phnom Penh bar girls is you get what you ask for except anal. Khmer girls are pretty nice IMHO. Just be friendly, treat them right and you will get a lot back in return. My third suggestion if all else fails, is go to Martini's around 11 – midnight. Good luck! I want to hear how things work out for you. And post some pictures. Just kidding, Wendella. Do what you want on that score, Captain, whatever you are confortable with.

[Mr Enternational]

Well, not too sure if anyone is paying attention, but here's part II of my earlier post about my so-so mongering experiences in Phnom Penh:Hell yes I am paying attention and I am taking good notes for my trip in March. I really appreciate how you are laying everything out. You are making it very easy for me. The park sounds like my kind of place. Not sure how far it really is because I have never been there, but it seems like going from 106 ST to 51 ST for a room is a long ass way.

[Heymarky]

Well, not too sure if anyone is paying attentionYes, and thank you for your efforts.

[SunLion69]

The Walkabout Hotel is Austrailian owned. Lotsa Assies & Kiwis hangin' out. A few Brits & Americans. I never did run into any Canuks, while I was there. It's only $15-$25 / night. There are 10-20 FreeLancers in the bar at all times. Restaurant & ATM on sight.

The rooms have fridge, TV w / American movies, A / C, cieling fan, private bath w / hot shower, Queen size bed. Note: Get the most expensive room available.

You must be able to walk up & down flights of stairs, no elevator.

They have a great website. Airport P / U recommended. The resident mongers & the hotel driver can give you info on ANY pussy requirements.

[GentleBoner]

Hell yes I am paying attention and I am taking good notes for my trip in March. I really appreciate how you are laying everything out. You are making it very easy for me. The park sounds like my kind of place. Not sure how far it really is because I have never been there, but it seems like going from 106 ST to 51 ST for a room is a long ass way.The park isn't anyone's kind of place.

You can still get $10 ST at Walkabout as long as you don't act like an obvious tourist.

[Wendella]

The park isn't anyone's kind of place.

You can still get $10 ST at Walkabout as long as you don't act like an obvious tourist.And why isn't this park anyone's kind of place? (honest question, I actually do not know why not. I did have a bad experience in Hun Sen Park years ago, but that's another story)

[AussieGuy100]

and why isn't this park anyone's kind of place? (honest question, i actually do not know why not. i did have a bad experience in hun sen park years ago, but that's another story)i discovered this park my accident on my first trip to pp. was walking through at dusk one evening with a friend and we passed a few groups of nice looking girls (but some possibly ****d?) but we were on our way to meet some people so we didn't stop and ask about rates etc.

i then went back on about three occasions but didn't find any decent looking girls. so it seems to be a bit pot luck of who is there on any given day. maybe it's more active at weekends?

there is definitely a slight edgy atmosphere to the place at night, with pimps and other dubious characters hovering around. probably best to walk through with someone else rather than alone.

i also tried cruising at night with a moto driver round the park surrounding what phnom, but the few girls there were distinctly in the older age range and also surrounded by pimps. not very appealing.

[Betong]

Note: Get the most expensive room available.Do they have any good rooms at all? I've stayed in a couple over the years and they were all pretty awful. Better by far to stay next door at the Blue Tongue. Same owner but newly refurnished and very nice.

[Sammon]

I am sorry to hear about your So-So Mongering Experiences so far in Phnom, Captain. It was a bold move to look for FL's in the park. I have never found anybody worthy in these locations, but you can't knock a guy for trying. I think you need to change your game plan just a little. I have three suggestions: the first is go back to Walkabout and pay the BJ girl $20 (or $25 if she won't come down) for the full service plan. You say you liked her and she was attractive, so I think you will have a better time the 2nd time around. Tell her you really like her and want to make love to her three times. Also why use the ST Hotels? I suggest you take her back to your hotel, treat her good, have some booze in the room and she should stay for multiple shots. Give her a tip if she shows you a good time. My second suggestion is head over to 104st and check out a few bars over there. Find the most attractive girl or girls you can find, buy her a beer, and if she passes the interview; take her back to your hotel again, for multiple shots. Tell the girl what you want before you take her out of the bar. My experience with Phnom Penh bar girls is you get what you ask for except anal. Khmer girls are pretty nice IMHO. Just be friendly, treat them right and you will get a lot back in return. My third suggestion if all else fails, is go to Martini's around 11 – midnight. Good luck! I want to hear how things work out for you. And post some pictures. Just kidding, Wendella. Do what you want on that score, Captain, whatever you are confortable with.Another possible place for freelancer pick up is in front of Naga Casino.

Always see lots of girls on the other side of the road. Some are wearing nice dresses and pretty. Do not know if they have a mamasan or local pimp. Few times I got out of the tuk tuk little away from the entrance to the casino and walked. I got lots of smiles and come ons. But to go and meet them as a foreigner will stick out like a sore thumb. Having said that I am sure some gamblers either staying in the casino hotel or those who made money must be picking them up. Otherwise why would they wait there? It is like a carnival atmoshere there with lots of local including kids. Naga casino is very strict on dress code. This explains why the girls are well dressed.

[GreenBud]

And why isn't this park anyone's kind of place?I've never picked up at the parks, but this is what I've heard and observed.

There are a few parks and streets where FLs hang out at. A good moto-dope should be able to take you to all these places.

"Anyone" should refer to newbies. IMO, it'll be OK if you're experienced.

It'll be rough because:

1) You pay the pimp beforehand for their services.

2) Hence you will have more chances for them to skip out on you. This is unlikely from Martinis or hostess bars where you have more recourse. Funny example: I saw 3 locals grab this FL and hold her for a refund. It seems that 3 locals paid a pimp, money for 2 girls. They both tried to skip; one got away, but they got one.

3) From hearsay, been told that the girls are not trustworthy. They might try to steal from you. Many working girls will try to steal from you, but logically, there should be a higher percentage of FLs from parks that will try to screw you over.

4) During late at night, the parks are not crowded. Some criminal elements are probably around. Cambodia is very safe when there are a lot of people around.


Naga casino is very strict on dress code. This explains why the girls are well dressed.

Except for foreigners. Many foreigners (including myself) dress like shit!

[Hatguy]

Naga is not that strict on it. I'm basing this on walking in there in jeans and a t-shirt a few weeks ago.

This isn't really a report as I didn't get a girl from there but I saw one Viet girl there. She came over to where I was with my friend and probably wanted to chat but left soon after. Saw her several times after I lost my huge stake of 40 bucks on the 1 cent machines. I got the feeling that picking up is more than possible there. Better at night maybe.

[Jonlittle]

Another possible place for freelancer pick up is in front of Naga Casino.

Always see lots of girls on the other side of the road. Some are wearing nice dresses and pretty. Do not know if they have a mamasan or local pimp. Few times I got out of the tuk tuk little away from the entrance to the casino and walked. I got lots of smiles and come ons. But to go and meet them as a foreigner will stick out like a sore thumb. Having said that I am sure some gamblers either staying in the casino hotel or those who made money must be picking them up. Otherwise why would they wait there? It is like a carnival atmoshere there with lots of local including kids. Naga casino is very strict on dress code. This explains why the girls are well dressed.They could be strict in dress codes but some rooms are haunted! My friend and I went last November and both of us had some very bad experience in the room in the middle of the night. Even the girls left before they got their money.

[Wendella]

1) You pay the pimp beforehand for their services.

2) Hence you will have more chances for them to skip out on you.Ah ok, same as it ever was. In a nutshell that's what happened to me, though it was at Hun Sen park a few years ago. They insisted on payment up front. Once that was handed over, everyone started running away in different directions. Boy, did I feel dumb.

[Wendella]

They could be strict in dress codes but some rooms are haunted! My friend and I went last November and both of us had some very bad experience in the room in the middle of the night. Even the girls left before they got their money.Sounds spooky. What happened?

[GentleBoner]

Ah ok, same as it ever was. In a nutshell that's what happened to me, though it was at Hun Sen park a few years ago. They insisted on payment up front. Once that was handed over, everyone started running away in different directions. Boy, did I feel dumb.Same in every country. Payment up front is how they always get you.

[CaptainStrong]

Well, I'm glad to see that people actually were paying attention to my posts! I'd like to make a few comments about the park between 106th and 108th Street. Yes, I can definitely agree that this kind of place isn't for beginners. I admit that I have no experience mongering in Phnom Penh, but I do have a lot of experience mongering in China, so I know how these things work. And trust me, it is way harder to monger in China than Cambodia.

That particular park I mentioned isn't for beginners, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be too hard for a beginner to try it out. The mama-san I was talking to spoke really good English, and all the girls were easy to approach. It wasn't hard at all to negotiate what I wanted. I guess that park would be a little intimidating for beginners, but not necessarily difficult for beginners.

The park does look kind of seedy, and there were lots of shadowy-looking people lurking around, but I did go alone, and I didn't run into any trouble. Just monger there at your own risk, but be alert at all times. I only went to that park one time, and there was a pack of four freelancers, two of which looked pretty young and fuckable, and two others that looked like they were in their early forties and not very fuckable.

And yes, the motorcycle ride from that park to 51st Street would be far if you were walking, but it's only like 2 minutes by motorcycle. Phnom Penh isn't a very big city, and you can easily drive from one end of the Riverfront to the other in only a few minutes.

And while we're talking about Hun Sen Park, I went there three times around 9 PM looking for freelancers, and not one time did I see anyone that even slightly resembled a freelancer. All I saw was a bunch of families and couples sitting around doing nothing.

[Sammon]

Naga is not that strict on it. I'm basing this on walking in there in jeans and a t-shirt a few weeks ago.

This isn't really a report as I didn't get a girl from there but I saw one Viet girl there. She came over to where I was with my friend and probably wanted to chat but left soon after. Saw her several times after I lost my huge stake of 40 bucks on the 1 cent machines. I got the feeling that picking up is more than possible there. Better at night maybe.I am talking about local girls. Foreigners can walk in with their bra and underwear for all they care. I have seen in many high class hotels european girls walk in with backpacker clothings and nobody cared.

One girl I took to the Casino told me this because she was refused entry one time there.

[GreenBud]

I am talking about local girls. Foreigners can walk in with their bra and underwear for all they care. I have seen in many high class hotels european girls walk in with backpacker clothings and nobody cared.

One girl I took to the Casino told me this because she was refused entry one time there.That's one type of discrimination I don't complain about. LOL! Foreigners can dress like shit, but locals will be barred or questioned if they aren't dress properly. Occurs also in Thailand.

In Naga, the security guard will ask to see some money in the girl's purse if she isn't dress properly.

[Wendella]

Foreigners can walk in with their bra and underwear for all they care.Think I'll stick with short sleeves and shorts, I'm not quite that keen on testing the limits.

[Wendella]

Same in every country. Payment up front is how they always get you.Yep. $7 down the drain. One minute I'm feeling great about my negotiation skills, the next I'm the biggest dope in Asia.

[Tcvve]

Yep. $7 down the drain. One minute I'm feeling great about my negotiation skills, the next I'm the biggest dope in Asia.Happen to me only once at Hun Sen Park. A few years ago. What I did was tell the Pimp & girl I will not pay until we get to my hotel. I rode with the motorbike taxi, the girl rode with her Pimp.

Went to the entrance of the California hotel. (The old location). I was asked to pay the $10. 00. I did and the girl ran to the motorbike with her Pimp.

The success I had at Hun Sen Park is to approach a girl who is working solo.

Or approach a group of girls who are with a mamasan not a male pimp.

If you are going to get a girl with a male pimp negotiating, insist no payment until the deed is done in the room.

Tom.

[Herve02]

Well, I'm glad to see that people actually were paying attention to my posts! I'd like to make a few comments about the park between 106th and 108th Street. Yes, I can definitely agree that this kind of place isn't for beginners. I admit that I have no experience mongering in Phnom Penh, but I do have a lot of experience mongering in China, so I know how these things work. And trust me, it is way harder to monger in China than Cambodia.

That particular park I mentioned isn't for beginners, but I have to admit that it wouldn't be too hard for a beginner to try it out. The mama-san I was talking to spoke really good English, and all the girls were easy to approach. It wasn't hard at all to negotiate what I wanted. I guess that park would be a little intimidating for beginners, but not necessarily difficult for beginners.

The park does look kind of seedy, and there were lots of shadowy-looking people lurking around, but I did go alone, and I didn't run into any trouble. Just monger there at your own risk, but be alert at all times. I only went to that park one time, and there was a pack of four freelancers, two of which looked pretty young and fuckable, and two others that looked like they were in their early forties and not very fuckable.

And yes, the motorcycle ride from that park to 51st Street would be far if you were walking, but it's only like 2 minutes by motorcycle. Phnom Penh isn't a very big city, and you can easily drive from one end of the Riverfront to the other in only a few minutes.

And while we're talking about Hun Sen Park, I went there three times around 9 PM looking for freelancers, and not one time did I see anyone that even slightly resembled a freelancer. All I saw was a bunch of families and couples sitting around doing nothing.Hi there. Thanks a lot for all the details and advices. Could you explain to a french foreigner how to come to this park? What is the name of this park, which are the closests streets to this park? Have a nice day and have nice experiences in Cambodia. If I can add a foot note notice I had wonderful time with semi pro Chinese ladies in Paris. Herve

[Wendella]

Hi there. Thanks a lot for all the details and advices. Could you explain to a french foreigner how to come to this park? What is the name of this park, which are the closests streets to this park? Have a nice day and have nice experiences in Cambodia. If I can add a foot note notice I had wonderful time with semi pro Chinese ladies in Paris. HerveHe did say it's the park between streets 106 and 108, so those are easy to find on the map, toward the north side of town just off the river. He didn't say at which part of the park this was, though, but as you can see it's not very big.

[Udondreamer]

The park has no name I know of but starts at street 13 and continues up to Norodom and then up past street 51. If you think the park is seedy now, a few years ago it was just grass and no lighting. You could have forgotten the hotel and just humped away in the middle of it and nobody would have been the wiser. If you pay more than $5 for any of these girls you are being robbed.

The girls tend to hang out on the 106 side of the park just before and after you cross Norodom. As is the practice these days, the police sweep the area every so often and things go very quiet for a while before returning to normal. Never pay upfront and watch your pockets carefully, and make sure you are actually taking a girl, it is a well known ladyboy hangout.

Much better areas to be had for the same money in other areas but you need to know where and have a moto to get to them. Really cute girls with good attitudes for. $5.

As to the post on Walkabout. WA has mainly turned into an afternoon venue. The addition of Golden Sorya mall and Pontoon disco has made WA a bit redundant. Lots of good food. Never eat at WA. Overpriced rubbish. And lots of girls walking up and down street 51. And nice newer hotels within a 5 min walk for $15.

Happy hunting!

[Pokey Penguin]

Guys who claim that they got the girl's consent to post their faces on the internet—outing them to the whole world including law enforcement as people engaged in illegal activity—neglect the fact that these girls usually know only a tiny amount of English but will pretend to understand you to avoid losing face.

That "consent" you think you got is just a girl who doesn't understand what you are saying and is trying to be nice and agreeable and to appear intelligent. This is obvious because no girl engaged in this work in SE Asia would want to be exposed on the internet, unless she's mentally retarded or just plain nuts. These are unsophisticated girls from repressive, unsophisticated societies.

I'm sure that they hope for a better future not doing this kind of work, and these pics that you post will be on the net forever and come back to haunt these girls later when a fiance or future employer discovers them. Do you really enjoy wrecking a girl's life and future this way?

Maybe the girls don't mind posing for the camera because digital cameras are fascinating to them and they love to see themselves on the LCD screen. But they have no idea that you are going to expose these pics to the whole world, or anyone who visits this forum. And you think NGOs and police don't monitor this forum? I'm sure that they do.

Posting these pics on the net without disguising the girls' faces is behavior that I just don't understand. It makes me wish I lived in a different era. And the tortured reasoning you guys use to try to prove that there's nothing unethical about it! To betray someone you made love to in this manner, even if it was PFP, is just transparently wrong, immoral, and a symptom of deep sickness in our society. I urge Jackson to amend his policy to require that the faces be disguised, especially in countries where this activity is illegal.

Posting these undisguised pics is also counter-productive, because as the word eventually spreads among the girls (and that will take a long time because these girls are not generally internet users) , it will result in them refusing all photos, including ones that nice guys want for their memories only.

Wendella is obviously a thoughtful, considerate gent who values the girls as human beings, and I wish that more on this forum were like him.

[Fishfinger]

. You guys use to try to prove that there's nothing unethical about it! To betray someone you made love to in this manner, even if it was PFP, is just transparently wrong, immoral, and a symptom of deep sickness in our society. I urge Jackson to amend his policy to require that the faces be disguised, especially in countries where this activity is illegal.

Posting these undisguised pics is also counter-productive, because as the word eventually spreads among the girls (and that will take a long time because these girls are not generally internet users) , it will result in them refusing all photos, including ones that nice guys want for their memories only.

Wendella is obviously a thoughtful, considerate gent who values the girls as human beings, and I wish that more on this forum were like him.A moralizing monger (sight). There's nothing funnier than a third world sex tourists who traveled half-way around the world to fuck peasant girls lecturing others about what is wrong or immoral. I personally would not post girls pictures online but I am honest enough with myself to know I have no right to lecture others on what is right or wrong.

Take it from me you are not a gent, and neither is Wendella.

You are one of those who thinks he is better than others, the same guy that thinks "at least when she is with me she is happy". Well mate you would be surprised, although they'd like a husband most girls prefer the customer who takes photos, has fun and knows his way around than the one feels sorry for them and demands a GFE.

[GreenBud]

—outing them to the whole world including law enforcement as people engaged in illegal activity—.
And you think NGOs and police don't monitor this forum? I'm sure that they do.Seems like paranoia if you think everyone is monitoring this site. No offense Jackson, but this is a minor site. Not too many people knows or talks about this site. IMO, a posted photo taken years ago disappears in the abyss of the net.

There is nothing on this site that can get the girl in trouble; rather, it is the monger that takes a minor risk in making pornos in Cambodia (which is illegal).

In Thailand, I did read about ONE incident in which the parents found about her daughter when neighbors found her photos on the net. In Cambodia, generally, it's obvious when the girl builds a house for her parents.


Wendella is obviously a thoughtful, considerate gent who values the girls as human beings, and I wish that more on this forum were like him.Hey Wendella, you have a new secret admirer! Too bad we can't be all like you! LOL!

Observations in Phnom Penh the last couple of nights.

1) Candy bar moved to the corner; better decor; has an upstairs balconey with pool table.

2) Observed some cuties on St 136, maybe 7 or 8, on my personal scale.

3) Irritating that some bars employ ladyboys (I know some people like them, but this is a fricking hetersexual street). Didn't see any in the Candy bar on that one night I was there; I hope they don't have those ladyboys dance on the tables like they did in the last location. But I was in 69; they had one that was hard to tell; I was 90% sure; I ignored it; after it left, the girl next to me confirmed that it was a ladyboy. There aren't too many around, but a few are around. The few that around seems to be well made up; not like the obvious ones that were at Candy bar the last few years.

4) Some of the cuties (and also some ugly ones) on St 136 want $50; not sure how much you can negotiate down to.

5) The cuter girls (well, I should say the girls that aren't ugly, although there's couple of decent ones) at Le Crycee are asking for $25 tip, but most will say yes to $20.

[Wolvenvacht]

In Naga, the security guard will ask to see some money in the girl's purse if she isn't dress properly.So to make sure she can pay him some tea-money when she goes out again?

[Sammon]

3) Irritating that some bars employ ladyboys (I know some people like them, but this is a fricking hetersexual street). Didn't see any in the Candy bar on that one night I was there; I hope they don't have those ladyboys dance on the tables like they did in the last location. But I was in 69; they had one that was hard to tell; I was 90% sure; I ignored it; after it left, the girl next to me confirmed that it was a ladyboy. There aren't too many around, but a few are around. The few that around seems to be well made up; not like the obvious ones that were at Candy bar the last few years.Surprising! Bars employing ladyboys!

I have not seen even one before. Cambodia is not known for open gay people like Thailand.

If the bars employ them it is a bad thing for us because maybe after a few drinks we might barfine without knowing and get angry.

So I guess we need to check before barfining.

[Wendella]

Hey Wendella, you have a new secret admirer! Too bad we can't be all like you! LOL!Well in a way I admire the way you own up to the fact that you don't have a shred of decency in you, even seem proud of it.

Some of us do still have jobs, families and other connections to reality, which might also include some sense of what's right and wrong (rather than just fulfilling our own desires and seeing what we can get away with). If that makes no sense to you, well. Then you're obviously not one of us.

The idea that nothing can happen if pictures are posted here is wrong. This site is on the internet. These pics can be copied by anyone and put anywhere. There's no way to stop that once the pictures go up. Probably going to? Of course not, but history is full of things that happened that were supposedly probably not going to happen.

But hey, if you feel safe about it, PM me your photo naked and I'll put it up in the Gallery and we'll test it out.

[Wendella]

A moralizing monger (sight). There's nothing funnier than a third world sex tourists who traveled half-way around the world to fuck peasant girls lecturing others about what is wrong or immoral. I personally would not post girls pictures online but I am honest enough with myself to know I have no right to lecture others on what is right or wrong.

Take it from me you are not a gent, and neither is Wendella.

You are one of those who thinks he is better than others, the same guy that thinks "at least when she is with me she is happy". Well mate you would be surprised, although they'd like a husband most girls prefer the customer who takes photos, has fun and knows his way around than the one feels sorry for them and demands a GFE.Sure sounds like a lecture to me. [wink]

[Wendella]

A moralizing monger (sight). There's nothing funnier than a third world sex tourists who traveled half-way around the world to fuck peasant girls lecturing others about what is wrong or immoral. I personally would not post girls pictures online but I am honest enough with myself to know I have no right to lecture others on what is right or wrong.

Take it from me you are not a gent, and neither is Wendella.

You are one of those who thinks he is better than others, the same guy that thinks "at least when she is with me she is happy". Well mate you would be surprised, although they'd like a husband most girls prefer the customer who takes photos, has fun and knows his way around than the one feels sorry for them and demands a GFE.In a way I actually agree with you. The irony you find in our quibbling about what's right and wrong; I guess you mean that we're over here taking advantage of the situation, in a way that's not exactly the way of Jesus. Yeah, true. So my main point way back when was: "come on face it, every one of us is doing stuff here that's not exactly getting us into heaven, so let's be real and acknowledge the fact." When you talk about lecturing, you know this all got started because some guy came on and was doing exactly that, only his lecture was about how it's completely ethical to post the girls' photos without their consent. You said I'm not a gent. I'd say in terms of what every guy is up to on this website, if partaking of these things makes us not gents, then yeah I'd say that's fair. Regardless, to me it seems pretty uncool to post pics of a girl on the net that show her face when thats not what she agreed to, so I don't do that. And I'm no angel: if some post with a photo that seems interesting, I might go look at just that kind of picture. I never said any of this makes me better than others. For all I know Greenbud or whoever are overall much better people than me, giving money to the poor and helping disabled people or whatever, who knows. Nobody was talking about being a good person, that I saw. I think it would take a lot more than posting pictures on the net to make someone a bad person. But what I responded to was the guy who said it's GOOD to do that. Even you must agree that that's ridiculous.

Greenbud, sorry that last post was a bit much on my part, my apology. For all I know you have plenty of shreds of decency. [wink] You said no harm can come to any girl whose pictures get posted. Not really. If a girl is in the business secretly (her family doesn't know), and especially if she's a gray area girl just getting in and out fast for some quick needed money (maybe has a day job but needs some money fast, or lost her day job, relative needing hospital care, etc), and especially if she has kids or a traditional family, it's easy to see how pictures being seen publicly or in her community could be incredibly damaging, hurting not just her but totally innocent people like her kids and her parents. Imagine going to school when your mom has just been outed as a prostitute. Can it happen? Of course it can. Khmer newspapers wouldn't hesitate. Cambodian touts come on here regularly, some of them are pretty shady characters. It wouldn't surprise me at all if one of those guys put 2 and 2 together and made a side business out of it.

[GreenBud]

1) Couple of cute girls at Martinis wanted $30 for short time. One (who was one of the cutest I've seen there) said short time would be 30 minutes (WTF! I've never heard that before in Asia; I passed). The other countered with $30 when I offered $20; she said short time would be 1 hour. I hesitated, then another monger swooped her up fast. It seems that upward pricing pressures is continuing, especially for the cute girls since they will always get the punter who is willing to pay a few extra bucks.
2) Some girls will not do BJs at Martinis.
3) Some girls will do BJs at Martinis, but will refuse to do a lot of it.


3) Irritating that some bars employ ladyboys.

But I was in 69; they had one that was hard to tell; Oops; the bar in which the ladyboy was at wasn't 69; it was some other bar.


If the bars employ them it is a bad thing for us because maybe after a few drinks we might barfine without knowing and get angry.What I think is funny is when they kiss the ladyboys in the bar. I always wonder if the LB tells the guy before he barfines her since he definitely will find out in the room. In Cambodia, the poor has less protection than in Thailand. But then I'm assuming the guy knows since some guys like that kind of stuff; to each his own.


So to make sure she can pay him some tea-money when she goes out again?To make sure that she has enough money to gamble with. Most poor Cambodians are not going to have a hundred dollars in their purse; this keeps out the poor Cambodians from site seeing.


Well in a way I admire the way youI thought I only put facts in that post; nothing about what is right or wrong. I even put the info on shame if you read the entire post (not clear, but I did imply it).

[Wendella]

1)

I thought I only put facts in that post; nothing about what is right or wrong. I even put the info on shame if you read the entire post (not clear, but I did imply it).Yeah I guess I took it the wrong way, your line: "Hey Wendella, you have a new secret admirer! Too bad we can't be all like you! LOL!"

Later I was in bed about to go to sleep and thought, damn, that was a bit harsh what I just posted. Tried to go change it but forgot my password.

[Fishfinger]

Wendella my comment wasn't aimed at you, each is entitled to his own opinion, like I said I personally would not post pictures either.

What I found incredible hypocritical were the moral judgement comments made by Pokey Penguin.

[Sammon]

Oops; the bar in which the ladyboy was at wasn't 69; it was some other bar.

What I think is funny is when they kiss the ladyboys in the bar. I always wonder if the LB tells the guy before he barfines her since he definitely will find out in the room. In Cambodia, the poor has less protection than in Thailand. But then I'm assuming the guy knows since some guys like that kind of stuff; to each his own.

).Once I almost made a terrible mistake. It was long time ago when Patpong was the only place to go. I was in this bar a very beatifull girl with big boobs was dancing. I asked the wautress to bring her to my table. Immediately after there was another pretty girl I was interested in. So she was called to my table also. I ordered drinks for both of them. At this point one girl just whispered in my ear saying I like ladyboys. I asked her why? She replied the other girl is a ladyboy. Other ladyboy guy was trying to kiss me. I immediately called the waitress and her her ask him to go back dancing. Sometimes it is very hard to know but the bar or the waitress should somehow make it known that the girl in question is a ladyboy. It got me so upset that I left the bar immediately.

So I am sure many guys might have kissed or fondled the boobs without knowing.

[AussieGuy100]

She replied the other girl is a ladyboy. Other ladyboy guy was trying to kiss me. I immediately called the waitress and her her ask him to go back dancing. Sometimes it is very hard to know but the bar or the waitress should somehow make it known that the girl in question is a ladyboy. It got me so upset that I left the bar immediately.

So I am sure many guys might have kissed or fondled the boobs without knowing.I'm sure most guys have been 'caught out' by ladyboys in bars, because some of them are indeed absolutely gorgeous. But this is all part of the fun of being in exotic places experiencing new things surely. As ladyboys in bars are a much more accepted part of the scenery in Asia, I don't think it's the bar's responsibility to 'warn' the customer. After all as one poster said, some guys may be into ladyboys.

I've twice unknowingly asked ladyboys to be barfined. In both cases they laughed, as they were pleased to be thought of as desirable, before asking if I was sure I wanted them as they were in fact ladyboys. When they told me I was really surprised, as I honestly wouldn't have picked them as ladyboys, but I bought them another drink, chatted some more (often ladyboys have the best English in the bar) , then left, still chuckling that I hadn't been able to tell. All part of the fun of bar hopping in Asia.

[Wendella]

Wendella my comment wasn't aimed at you, each is entitled to his own opinion, like I said I personally would not post pictures either.

What I found incredible hypocritical were the moral judgement comments made by Pokey Penguin.Sure ok, though you did say to the Penguin "You're not a gent, and neither is Wendella"

Either way, glad you said it, because I think you're RIGHT. I'm not a gent! Not for this stuff at least. I'm going down to one of these bars to pick up some really poor but pretty and way too young girl (too young for me, I mean, I could be her dad). I'm taking advantage of the opportunity because I can afford to. I have $20. That's the case for just about everybody who's here. Pretty much everything we're up to is seen by most people in our countries as pretty sleazy. I think, well ok, yep. I can't argue with that. Guilty as charged. That's why nobody here uses their own name, right? So if all this stuff is "bad", then posting nude photos of someone on a public website against their wishes is the one thing that's not bad?

[GreenBud]

1) last night at 1:00 am, both heart of darkness and pontoon was semi-packed. since pontoon has larger square footage, more girls would be present at pontoon. but i prefer the decor of the heart. pontoon is one of those generic airplane hanger type of discos.

2) didn't see any ladyboys at the candy bar last night (good thing, imo).


oops; the bar in which the ladyboy was at wasn't 69; it was some other bar.bar 136 (next to bar 69) has the ladyboys. the other night, it had 2 that were obviously ladyboys.


as ladyboys in bars are a much more accepted part of the scenery in asia, i don't think it's the bar's responsibility to 'warn' the customer.i would strongly disagree that the bar has no responsibility to warn the customer. it is a hetersexual bar; most guys are not into ladyboys. customers have the right to know what they are "buying"! the bar and ladyboys are tricking some of the customers. imo, it is almost like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

also, the ladyboy scene is historically more prevelant in thailand; it is part of the normal scene. in cambodia, this ladyboy thing seems to be somewhat recent. starting to see some (mainly in candy bar and wat phnom) in the last several years. didn't see any 10 years ago (although i wasn't really looking for them).


yeah i guess i took it the wrong way, your line: "hey wendella, you have a new secret admirer! too bad we can't be all like you! lol!".i was making fun of you, again, at your expense (i thought it was harmless, but of course, harmless from my point of view). easy to rib people; might get irritating to get ribbed. i'll try to stop.

[AussieGuy100]

1) i would strongly disagree that the bar has no responsibility to warn the customer. it is a hetersexual bar; most guys are not into ladyboys. customers have the right to know what they are "buying"! the bar and ladyboys are tricking some of the customers. imo, it is almost like [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

also, the ladyboy scene is historically more prevelant in thailand; it is part of the normal scene. in cambodia, this ladyboy thing seems to be somewhat recent. starting to see some (mainly in candy bar and what phnom) in the last several years. didn't see any 10 years ago (although i wasn't really looking for them).guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. from your comments you seem to view a bar as a place where there is a lineup of products waiting to be chosen and bought for sex. fair enough, a perfectly valid point of view. i see the whole thing as more of an adventure, with the unexpected around every corner. part of the charm of phnom penh i think. sure i'm looking for a stunner at a reasonable price, but if i happen across a ladyboy, female midget hostess, even an amputee, (and i've seen all these in various bars) then that's all part of the experience.

i've found that the ladyboys have admitted what they are well before any chance of ending up in a hotel room. possibly some of the posters on this forum have been deceived to the point of taking a girl to their hotel room or st hotel before discovering that it is a ladyboy, but i'd guess that is quite rare. as i said before, both the ladyboys i was 'tricked' by admitted there ladyboy status before we'd left the bar.

as for your comment equating this deception to "like a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)", it's hardly worth a response. genuine [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is violent sexual intercourse without consent. i've never heard of a ladyboy doing this to a punter.

[Fishfinger]

Sure ok, though you did say to the Penguin "You're not a gent, and neither is Wendella"

Either way, glad you said it, because I think you're RIGHT. I'm not a gent! Not for this stuff at least. I'm going down to one of these bars to pick up some really poor but pretty and way too young girl (too young for me, I mean, I could be her dad). I'm taking advantage of the opportunity because I can afford to. I have $20. That's the case for just about everybody who's here. Pretty much everything we're up to is seen by most people in our countries as pretty sleazy. I think, well ok, yep. I can't argue with that. Guilty as charged. That's why nobody here uses their own name, right? So if all this stuff is "bad", then posting nude photos of someone on a public website against their wishes is the one thing that's not bad?This will be my last reply.

I personally don't think it is good or bad, you are the one making Judeo-Christian morality calls.

What I said is that nobody on this site is a gent and certainly not in a position to tell others what is moral or not. I wouldn't post pictures but have no problem with others doing it. To each his own.

Now let's get this thread back on track.

[Mrsand]

Guys it's my first time here in Cambodia and I just arrive, any good recomendation? So far the reports I been reading around are martinis and cat-house, I'm staying at Kampuchea Krom Boulevard area.

[D Cups]

[QUOTE=Sammon; 1245290]Once I almost made a terrible mistake.

It's happened to a lot of us, Sam. Of course alcohol impairs our judgement, too. I've never been with an Asian ladyboy but have taken pictures of their boobs. I might even feel one up but that's where it ends. Not into chicks with dicks. To me, they are confused and conflicted individuals.

The ones in South America are particularly deceitful. I was drinking with a buddy on Copacaba Beach in Rio many years ago and we unknowingly picked up on two Uruguaians ladyboys. Even played kissy face and boob groping on the beach. I didn't know any better! I took mine back to hotel and almost shit when s / he took off her panties and there it was: a tiny schwantooka! I was so angry I threw he / she / its clothes in the hall and literally kicked her ass out. Then I brushed my teeth for about 20minutes. Funny now but not funny then!

[GreenBud]

as for your comment equating this deception to "like a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)", it's hardly worth a response. genuine [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is violent sexual intercourse without consent.let me clarify; ladyboy deception is like "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)". date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is where the girl is on a date, and she claims the guy raped her. but she didn't scream, just a few muffled "nos". i have trouble with that "crime" because there is no screaming and no marks on either person.


i've never heard of a ladyboy doing this to a punter.there's a case in the san francisco area where 2 guys beat to death a tranny (ladyboy) they were hanging around with because they found out it was a guy. obviously, the tranny gave them anal and / or oral sex.

i have sympathy for the tranny's mom, but not the tranny. that was equivalent to "date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)" when it tricked those 2 guys.

[Riverstar]

I have been following the discussion on publishing photographs and thought that this may be of interest to some members.

When a girl first starts to work in a bar most have little or no English so the other girls suggest useful phrases to be used in both conversation I, SMS and emails which the girl will keep in a note book. I was recently looking at a friend's note book she used a number of years ago and apart from the expected such as 'I want to suck you big cock all night', 'honey I love you' and 'my pussy gets wet when I think of you' one phrase I came across was ' I want you take photo of your cock in my pussy'

[Kamraj]

During my recent visit to Phnom Penh, visited Hotel Paris as recommended by some of the group members. Third floor is for massage but there are no massage rooms and they had a small fish bowl. The collection of girls varies a lot and they have from suspected minors to teens to elderly women. I tried four girls over a period of two days and was really pleased with the service provided. I have long believed that never select the youngest girl and pritiest girl but gor with average looks and my recent visit reconfirmed this. I had best experience with girl in her early 20s but who was slightly chubby with with BIG BOOBS. I had spent 45 minutes with her with lovely GF experience. She was open to french kissing.

Rate: I was initially quoted USD 50 but I stick to USD 30. I could have bargained lower as one of the girl honesly told that they are entirely dependent on direct payment from customers, as hotel does not make any payment to them. But I prefered to pay little higher than ongoing rate in Cambodia, as this is still lot cheaper than USD 70-80 in Bangkok in similar estabilishments. I paid a tip of USD 5 on average but paid a tip of USD 10 to the chubby girl who provided excellent service. Trust me, even at USD 5 tip girls were very happy.

Beware of some suspected minors and avoid them so as not to land yourself in any trouble.

[D Cups]

I'I want to suck you big cock all night', 'honey I love you' and 'my pussy gets wet when I think of you' one phrase I came across was ' I want you take photo of your cock in my pussy'Those are good phrases for any desirable woman to learn and apply!

[Wendella]

date [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is where the girl is on a date, and she claims the guy raped her. but she didn't scream, just a few muffled "nos". i have trouble with that "crime" because there is no screaming and no marks on either person.that's a pretty narrow definition. i guess it's not possible to really be raped while on a date. [wink]

[Pak Mike]

Mmmmm, looks as if I need to put the Paris on my menu. For some reason has never been on my radar.

However, my question is can the gals at Paris actually do a decent massage as well as the "extras". I have been looking for such a place in PP but no luck to-date.

[Wendella]

I personally don't think it is good or bad, you are the one making Judeo-Christian morality calls.I take it you're Muslim. What would Mohammed have done with naked pics of a $20 hoo-er, that's what you need to ask yourself. [wink] "Ethics" was originally written about by the Greeks, more than 500 years before Christ was born, and they had no idea what jews were. Primatologists say even apes and monkeys have their own sense of right and wrong. Some say even atheists do.

And hey I wasn't making a morality call. I was responding to one. When that phone rings, somebody has to answer it.

Now that we've established that you think it's not bad, could you please send me a naked picture of yourself with your face included? I haven't made any contributions yet to the photo gallery. I'm getting tired of being a backseat driver. (oops, note to self, not supposed to let them know you'll post it on the net, it spoils the mood)

[winks and more winks, this is all meant in good fun, nothing serious]

[Wendella]

Mmmmm, looks as if I need to put the Paris on my menu. For some reason has never been on my radar.

However, my question is can the gals at Paris actually do a decent massage as well as the "extras". I have been looking for such a place in PP but no luck to-date.Go to satisfy your curiosity, but don't get your hopes too high. I went there a few years ago, just realized it was a place I didn't need to ever go back to again. If you're satifsied with a handful of girls in the 5-6 range, it could be worth it though. Seems overpriced for what it is. Not sure what the attraction is when there's so many other options that are better in quality and also cheaper.

[Pokey Penguin]

Fishfinger should point out to me how I am being a hypocrite. A hypocrite is someone who doesn't practice what he preaches. That's not me, I don't post ladies' faces on this forum, so there's nothing hypocritical about my moralizing.

Wendella, I think it's perfectly possible to be a monger and a gent. There's nothing wrong or evil about being a monger, as long as you are kind to the ladies. And there's nothing wrong or evil about being a pro, as long as you are fair and kind to your customers. In fact, I regard pros as often morally superior to non-pros. And of course they often have hearts of gold.

Wendella, you mentioned that you thought there was only a remote possibility that a girl's photo on this site could cause trouble for her in the future. I disagree. I think it will probably cause problems for her. With all the anti-sex NGOs in Cambodia, you can be certain that they read this site religiously, and "saving" girls is part of their agenda, so they can publicize their rescues and get donations that will help them buy more Lexuses for their executives.

The NGOs also will not hesitate to get the police involved, don't kid yourself.

Posting these girls' faces also, as you implied, makes them vulnerable to blackmail.

I think it would be very interesting to make a study of this. Take all the pics someone like Johndao has posted on this site showing girls' faces, and try to find out what happened to those girls. Are they still working? Or did they disappear?

This moralizing, holier-than-thou monger, is only moralizing about this one issue. You who post pics that show girls' faces don't have the girl's consent, so stop claiming that you do. Or rebut my argument about the lack of English ability and common tendency among SE Asians to pretend to understand an English speaker when they really don't, and show that it's incorrect.

Mongers can be gentlemen. Posting a vulnerable girl's face on the web identifying her as a member of a detested criminal class—after you have just made love to her—is the act of a scumbag. Now I'm sure most of you guys don't want to be scumbags, and don't realize that you're being scumbags when you do this. You needed a moralizing penguin to set you straight, so I did my duty. :-)

[Naughty]

Not sure what the attraction is when there's so many other options that are better in quality and also cheaper.For example?

[GreenBud]

however, my question is can the gals at paris actually do a decent massageno.


if you're satifsied with a handful of girls in the 5-6 range, it could be worth it though.when were you there?

i haven't been there in 2 or 3 years (when i used to stay at the paris). but when i was there, there were maybe 15 - 20 girls. i think they start early afternoon. afternoons seem to be a good time to see many girls. many girls were ugly, but i thought there were several that were between 6 - 7, maybe a 7. 5 ocassionally.


posting a vulnerable girl's face on the web identifying her as a member of a detested criminal class—imo, your adjectives are incorrect.

detested is not the correct adjective. the girls are not detested. many provide for their family; many are single moms. many volunteer to go into the business to help their family (parents and siblings). i have great respect for them. although i hate the cambodian cultural view that the girls are either "good" or "bad".

criminals? not exactly sure if "providing" is illegal like thailand, but obviously prostitution is "legal" in every sense. i don't read about girls getting arrested in any of the bars / clubs mentioned; i don't read about managers getting arrested for having barfines. although some girls were forcibly rescued from massage paylors. only illegal thing might be sometimes the streetwalkers are arrested; but that's because they create a nuisance in the sense that their presence gives the area a bad image.


that's a pretty narrow definition. i guess it's not possible to really be raped while on a date. [wink]if the girl (or guy) is on a date, and if there is screaming or marks, then it is not date rate, but rather it is [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

but ya, i guess there are gray areas (something in-between).

[Fishfinger]

I take it you're Muslim. What would Mohammed have done with naked pics of a $20 hoo-er, that's what you need to ask yourself. [wink] "Ethics" was originally written about by the Greeks, more than 500 years before Christ was born, and they had no idea what jews were. Primatologists say even apes and monkeys have their own sense of right and wrong. .Muslim? What are you on about? I am as agnostic as they come BTW.


Now that we've established that you think it's not bad, could you please send me a naked picture of yourself with your face included? I haven't made any contributions yet to the photo gallery. I'm getting tired of being a backseat driver. (oops, note to self, not supposed to let them know you'll post it on the net, it spoils the mood)

[winks and more winks, this is all meant in good fun, nothing serious]I'm going to give this a last try.

It doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, posters who post photos don't seem to have a problem with it so they should be allowed to post without being called, I quote : "scumbags" and "transparently wrong","immoral", etc.

You understand? People have different beliefs but Pokey crossed the line, not when he expressed his, but when he started insulting those who don't share them.

[Poturu]

Hi, I'd like to know differences about sex attitude between thai and Cambodian girls. Why has a guy to reach Cambodia than Thailand for fucking?

Then. I like to know also the price difference.

Thanks

[Wendella]

Muslim? What are you on about? I am as agnostic as they come BTW.

I'm going to give this a last try.

It doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, posters who post photos don't seem to have a problem with it so they should be allowed to post without being called, I quote : "scumbags" and "transparently wrong","immoral", etc.

You understand? People have different beliefs but Pokey crossed the line, not when he expressed his, but when he started insulting those who don't share them.Yeah Penguin's going to have to stand up for himself, I'm not his lawyer. Was being completely silly with the Muslim line, I felt pretty sure you're not a Muslim. I'm even less religious than you.

[Wolvenvacht]

(snip) but she didn't scream, just a few muffled "nos". i have trouble with that "crime" because there is no screaming and no marks on either person.the most recent definition of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) as used by the fbi is: "the penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." (the previous definition was "the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will.", the present definition is now gender-neutral)

the most important term is "without the consent of the victim". try to explain to the judge what you did not understand about the "no".

[D Cups]

Hello Wolfman, W, GB and all the helpful, experienced Phnom Penh mongers,

I'll be in PP for the first time in about 3 weeks, and could really use a wingman to assist me locate large Cambodian ta-tas (on a small frame, please). Any suggestions, findings or hints will be very much appreciated and rewarded with ample amounts of your favorite libation. I'm staying at a place called BJ's house, Riverfront street 118. I am hoping the house will live up it's name! . Oh- also trying out the e-visa for the first time.

Happy humping!

[Daddy San]

For all those morons, who think that it is perfectly ok to post girl's pics with their face visible, how would YOU like it, if the girls (or someone else) were to post YOUR faces, with or without dicks, all over the internet?

Would that not be equally fair?

Or is it perhaps, that you value a woman about as much as a camel?

[Wendella]

For all those morons, who think that it is perfectly ok to post girl's pics with their face visible, how would YOU like it, if the girls (or someone else) were to post YOUR faces, with or without dicks, all over the internet?

Would that not be equally fair?

Or is it perhaps, that you value a woman about as much as a camel?Yeah those guys who post pictures of naked camels with their faces showing are truly depraved. I don't even want to think about what they do with them after they take their picture.

[D Cups]

One hump or two?


Yeah those guys who post pictures of naked camels with their faces showing are truly depraved. I don't even want to think about what they do with them after they take their picture.

[Run Mann]

For all those morons, who think that it is perfectly ok to post girl's pics with their face visible, how would YOU like it, if the girls (or someone else) were to post YOUR faces, with or without dicks, all over the internet?

Would that not be equally fair?

Or is it perhaps, that you value a woman about as much as a camel?The only way this would be fair is if members here are prostituting themselves and during the negotiations they agree to take pictures (as some girls do) for their customers to use as they see fit. Also, you obviously have no idea how much camels are worth.

[Daddy San]

The only way this would be fair is if members here are prostituting themselves and during the negotiations they agree to take pictures (as some girls do) for their customers to use as they see fit. Also, you obviously have no idea how much camels are worth.You are right, I don't trade in camels, so I wouldn't know their current market price.

But it can't be that much. Just some 3 weeks ago, there was this newsflash about a towelhead, who had offered 50 camels for a 2-bit european tv-starlet. Not to marry her, mind you, but just for unspecified "services". But then wives are probably even cheaper than concubines.

I happen to know (about) this 'lady', she is in the 250-300 EUR class, so do the maths yourself.

She said 'no thanks', BTW.

But that was not the point of my post.

I am saying, that anyone posting another person's compromising picture on the internet, without his / hers explicit prior permission is a piece of (camel-) shit.

And there is definitely no difference, whether the poster is a girl, even if she happens to prostitute herself in order to support her family and a monger like you or me, who has this irresistible urge to show off his latest trophy.

If anything, the latter is just a bigger pile of shit.

[Sammon]

Hello, Wolfman, W, GB and all the helpful, experienced Phnom Penh mongers,

I'll be in PP for the first time in about 3 weeks, and could really use a wingman to assist me locate large Cambodian ta-tas (on a small frame, please). Any suggestions, findings or hints will be very much appreciated and rewarded with ample amounts of your favorite libation. I'm staying at a place called BJ's house, Riverfront street 118. I am hoping the house will live up it's name! . Oh- also trying out the e-visa for the first time.

Happy humping!Had decent size. Very few cambo girls are big in that department.

[Run Mann]

You are right, I don't trade in camels, so I wouldn't know their current market price.

But that was not the point of my post.

I am saying, that anyone posting another person's compromising picture on the internet, without his / hers explicit prior permission is a piece of (camel-) shit.

And there is definitely no difference, whether the poster is a girl, even if she happens to prostitute herself in order to support her family and a monger like you or me, who has this irresistible urge to show off his latest trophy.

If anything, the latter is just a bigger pile of shit.

Since you' have so much conviction about this you shouldn't be on this board because as you already know it happens all the time and management support does not lie with you. If you become a crusader against men posting these type of pictures, you'll likely end up losing here. How have you stayed on this board so long or did you just recently develop this point of view, and how do you know if a poster has the girl's permission to post her pic? I mean you weren't there when he was negotiating with the girl, so how do you know what the agreement was/is between them?


Since you don't know about their arrangement and using your own standard (the poster needs explicit permission to post the pic) it's hard to see how you can rail against something you yourself don't know or have the facts about. Maybe you can start your own organization to protect the girls from this kind of stuff. BTW, over the span of a lifetime, the monetary value of an average camel is equal to 48 working girls, good luck to you.

[Sammon]

Better side view.

[Easton]

Very nice photo Sammon.

[AussieGuy100]

I've had a good first week in Phnom Penh. Got an apartment, bought a Suzuki moto, and even got a part time*evening job teaching English. *

But most importantly, been visiting bars. Some old favourites plus a couple of new ones. *

Zanzibar, Street 104. I've been here many times and got to know the girls quite well. It's a busy, noisy bar full of energetic and mischievous girls, some of whom dance on the bar top, which is rare (and illegal) in Phnom Penh. They are probably in the 6-7 range with the odd gorgeous one. Usually 16-20 girls. *

One night I barfined a 32 year old (average looking but fantastic honed body, super enthusiastic in bed, and a real GFE). She wasn't wildly keen on BBBJ, but would do it. $40 for LT (I'm not a penny pincher. I'm sure she could have been beaten down to even $30, but she possibly wouldn't have been so eager to please then).

Another night I took a slim beautiful 21 year old. Same deal, $40 for LT. This one was quite shy but very willing, including BBBJ. Two shots at night and two more in the morning. That was all I could manage. I'm getting old!

Zapata bar, Street 108 next to the Golden Vine bar. Relaxed atmosphere. Lovely friendly girls once you get to know them. (usually12-16 of them in the bar) Probably in the 6-7 range. They prefer to do LT in this bar, but would do ST if pushed. $35-40 for LT, not sure about ST rates as I've never asked, but I'd guess $20-25. *

One night I took a lovely 24 year old Khmer but she looked half Vietnamese. Very elegant, lovely body and quite willing. $40 for LT. *

Another night I couldn't make up my mind between two lovely girls, so I barfined both of them. Again, $40 each for LT. One shot each at night plus another couple of shots in the morning. Both keen and noisy, and they seemed to enjoy the sex. *

One of them was 34 and hadn't had a customer in two years, so she really got into it. I took her out alone on another night and she went wild. Assisted by my trusty pink dildo, she was yelling the place down! Note: dildos and other sex toys are illegal in Cambodia. Technically you could be arrested and jailed if found in possession of one. *

Cyrcee bar, Street 130/49. I know this place has had mixed reviews on this forum, but I like it. It's great for a quick no-hassle grab a girl and go ST scenario. *

They ask $25 but will quickly settle on $20 and usually go down to $15 if you push. Plus a $5 bar fine and compulsory $3 lady drink.

If you want to avoid the barfine and drink cost, just get the girl's cellphone number and arrange to meet her during the afternoon, before she goes to work.

Girls here are 5-6 rating, again with the odd standout. If you want the best lookers, get here early. 7.15-8. 30pm. *

One night I had a lovely slim firm Khmer. She did everything but not anal. She said she had a friend who would do it, so I took them both the following afternoon (avoiding barfine and drink costs, as mentioned above).

The first girl was watching me having anal with her friend, decided it actually looked ok, so said she wanted to try it with me. As an anal virgin it needed a lot of lube and some patience with her, but we got there in the end! ST was $20 each plus a $20 bonus for the anal virgin.

On a third night, I again took two girls, both reasonable lookers with nice bodies. They were friends and short of money, so agreed to $15 each for ST. *

I'd recommend not using the $5 ST hotel opposite Cyrcee. It's a bit grubby. Ask the girl to take you to the Happiness Hotel around the corner. $6 and$7 rooms and much better quality. The rates include condoms!

I've been into Martini's twice. I found it slightly depressing with lots of very thin heavily made-up freelance girls (HIV?) Also wandered into the Walkabout (street 51) a couple of times in the late afternoons, but very low rated girls and not much choice. *

The bars on Street 136 are really thriving. Some lovely, very young looking girls in Bar 69. I'll spend more time in Street 136 over the next week or so. *

[Dajudge]

I've had a good first week in Phnom Penh. Got an apartment, bought a Suzuki moto, and even got a part time*evening job teaching English. *

But most importantly, been visiting bars. Some old favourites plus a couple of new ones. *

Zanzibar, Street 104. I've been here many times and got to know the girls quite well. It's a busy, noisy bar full of energetic and mischievous girls, some of whom dance on the bar top, which is rare (and illegal) in Phnom Penh. They are probably in the 6-7 range with the odd gorgeous one. Usually 16-20 girls. *

One night I barfined a 32 year old (average looking but fantastic honed body, super enthusiastic in bed, and a real GFE). She wasn't wildly keen on BBBJ, but would do it. $40 for LT (I'm not a penny pincher. I'm sure she could have been beaten down to even $30, but she possibly wouldn't have been so eager to please then).

Another night I took a slim beautiful 21 year old. Same deal, $40 for LT. This one was quite shy but very willing, including BBBJ. Two shots at night and two more in the morning. That was all I could manage. I'm getting old!

Zapata bar, Street 108 next to the Golden Vine bar. Relaxed atmosphere. Lovely friendly girls once you get to know them. (usually12-16 of them in the bar) Probably in the 6-7 range. They prefer to do LT in this bar, but would do ST if pushed. $35-40 for LT, not sure about ST rates as I've never asked, but I'd guess $20-25. *

One night I took a lovely 24 year old Khmer but she looked half Vietnamese. Very elegant, lovely body and quite willing. $40 for LT. *

Another night I couldn't make up my mind between two lovely girls, so I barfined both of them. Again, $40 each for LT. One shot each at night plus another couple of shots in the morning. Both keen and noisy, and they seemed to enjoy the sex. *

One of them was 34 and hadn't had a customer in two years, so she really got into it. I took her out alone on another night and she went wild. Assisted by my trusty pink dildo, she was yelling the place down! Note: dildos and other sex toys are illegal in Cambodia. Technically you could be arrested and jailed if found in possession of one. *

Cyrcee bar, Street 130/49. I know this place has had mixed reviews on this forum, but I like it. It's great for a quick no-hassle grab a girl and go ST scenario. *

They ask $25 but will quickly settle on $20 and usually go down to $15 if you push. Plus a $5 bar fine and compulsory $3 lady drink.

If you want to avoid the barfine and drink cost, just get the girl's cellphone number and arrange to meet her during the afternoon, before she goes to work.

Girls here are 5-6 rating, again with the odd standout. If you want the best lookers, get here early. 7.15-8. 30pm. *

One night I had a lovely slim firm Khmer. She did everything but not anal. She said she had a friend who would do it, so I took them both the following afternoon (avoiding barfine and drink costs, as mentioned above).

The first girl was watching me having anal with her friend, decided it actually looked ok, so said she wanted to try it with me. As an anal virgin it needed a lot of lube and some patience with her, but we got there in the end! ST was $20 each plus a $20 bonus for the anal virgin.

On a third night, I again took two girls, both reasonable lookers with nice bodies. They were friends and short of money, so agreed to $15 each for ST. *

I'd recommend not using the $5 ST hotel opposite Cyrcee. It's a bit grubby. Ask the girl to take you to the Happiness Hotel around the corner. $6 and$7 rooms and much better quality. The rates include condoms!

I've been into Martini's twice. I found it slightly depressing with lots of very thin heavily made-up freelance girls (HIV?) Also wandered into the Walkabout (street 51) a couple of times in the late afternoons, but very low rated girls and not much choice. *

The bars on Street 136 are really thriving. Some lovely, very young looking girls in Bar 69. I'll spend more time in Street 136 over the next week or so. *Excellent report. Very informative. Keep it up, please!

[Chantik]

Since you' have so much conviction about this you shouldn't be on this board because as you already know it happens all the time and management support does not lie with you. If you become a crusader against men posting these type of pictures, you'll likely end up losing here. How have you stayed on this board so long or did you just recently develop this point of view, and how do you know if a poster has the girl's permission to post her pic? I mean you weren't there when he was negotiating with the girl, so how do you know what the agreement was / is between them?

Since you don't know about their arrangement and using your own standard (the poster needs explicit permission to post the pic) it's hard to see how you can rail against something you yourself don't know or have the facts about. Maybe you can start your own organization to protect the girls from this kind of stuff. BTW, over the span of a lifetime, the monetary value of an average camel is equal to 48 working girls, good luck to you.I am interested in whether these men send a copy of the pics to the girl?

[Run Mann]

I am interested in whether these men send a copy of the pics to the girl?Very unlikely since most men won't even have the girls contact info but why are you interested in this?

[Mr Enternational]

I am interested in whether these men send a copy of the pics to the girl?Are we still on the pic bullshit? Many times the girls worldwide give me their email and would like copies of the pictures. Even if they don't ask for copies and they give me their email then I will send them copies anyway. I am in the Philippines now. The girl I am with has worn my camera out. She is obsessed with taking pictures in all kinds of positions. 5 minutes ago I just finished putting them on a spare SD card for her since this is our last day together.

[Chantik]

Are we still on the pic bullshit? Many times the girls worldwide give me their email and would like copies of the pictures. Even if they don't ask for copies and they give me their email then I will send them copies anyway. I am in the Philippines now. The girl I am with has worn my camera out. She is obsessed with taking pictures in all kinds of positions. 5 minutes ago I just finished putting them on a spare SD card for her since this is our last day together.Thats the way it should be.

I have about 10, 000 pics and send copies to all the concerned parties.

[Logos]

"The bars on Street 136 are really thriving. Some lovely, very young looking girls in Bar 69. I'll spend more time in Street 136 over the next week or so."

Aussieguy, you'll probably find out that most of them are just eye candy. They are pleasant enough, haven't been around enough to have developed a mercenary attitude yet and will gladly accept your ladydrink but are generally a waste of time as almost none of them is barfinable. Those who are will be the elder, fatter one with kids or over 30 who aren't on display outside to lure in the customers, but gather around you as soon as you're in, in order to leave the eyecandy out and about.

Before I sit down in any of those bars I always ask the 2-3 girls I like most if they are ok for barfine. Turns out it's very rarely the case, which saves me time and money as I then move on to more amenable venues with no regrets.

[GentleBoner]

You're spending too much Aussieguy

[AlLostInSpace13]

"Before I sit down in any of those bars I always ask the 2-3 girls I like most if they are ok for barfine. Turns out it's very rarely the case, which saves me time and money as I then move on to more amenable venues with no regrets.I too have been disappointed once too many times by those non-barfineable teasers. Your suggestion gives me new hope.

Spaceman

[AussieGuy100]

You're spending too much AussieguyDoesn't bother me. I firmly believe that if you are slightly generous in your attitude, you get a much better response from the girl. If an extra five dollars here or there buys me genuine warmth, smiles, and kisses rather than a strictly business-like performance from the girl, then to me it's worth it.

Sure you can haggle them down on price. But think for a moment what you are implying to the girl: you are basically saying to her "I don't think you are $30 worth of beauty and personality, only maybe $15"

That's got to affect her feelings and attitude towards you.

Yes sometimes for the hell of it I see how low I can get them. But I quickly feel very bad as I see them mentally wrestling with the choice of no money versus having to spend a couple of hours with a hairy barang for $10 or $15. You can sense the desperation in them and I don't like that. To me it seems an abuse of financial power over a far less fortunate person.

End of lecture. LOL

[AussieGuy100]

"The bars on Street 136 are really thriving. Some lovely, very young looking girls in Bar 69. I'll spend more time in Street 136 over the next week or so."

Aussieguy, you'll probably find out that most of them are just eye candy. They are pleasant enough, haven't been around enough to have developed a mercenary attitude yet and will gladly accept your ladydrink but are generally a waste of time as almost none of them is barfinable. Those who are will be the elder, fatter one with kids or over 30 who aren't on display outside to lure in the customers, but gather around you as soon as you're in, in order to leave the eyecandy out and about.

Before I sit down in any of those bars I always ask the 2-3 girls I like most if they are ok for barfine. Turns out it's very rarely the case, which saves me time and money as I then move on to more amenable venues with no regrets.Absolutely agree with you and I do the same as you, having learnt on my first trip to PP that it was different to Thailand where the girls virtually never say no. I also try the opposite technique of asking one of the older girls in a bar to point out to me which of the girls definitely won't go out with customers. She will rapidly indicate the non-available girls. However sometimes she will say 'oh that girl there, she only go out with some customers'

I find I have to be a bit careful, otherwise the girls I am asking think that I am actually asking to barfine them rather than if they are barfinable, and some disappointment can ensue if they think they have scored an easy barfine only to find it was a hypothetical question.

I have been pleasantly surprised by how many of the pretty eye candy girls will say yes to being barfined, especially if you say you will take them out to eat and possibly to Pontoon for dancing. It then becomes an entertaining evening for them rather than just a sex session.

You have to remember that the girls are people and will choose to go with some barangs (especially if they are smartly dressed and looking very clean) and turn down others. It is not a case of the girls will either go with every barang who asks, or none at all. Sometimes it has taken me two or three visits to the bar and chatting to the girl before she says yes. Only worth doing this with the really hot ones of course!

[AlLostInSpace13]

Before I sit down in any of those bars I always ask the 2-3 girls I like most if they are ok for barfine. Turns out it's very rarely the case, which saves me time and money as I then move on to more amenable venues with no regrets.While that's a good idea, some girls actually let customer to barfine her, but then afterwards make excuses to leave early. Headache, period, not feeling well. You name it. So what gives?

Spaceman

[Mongering1]

Doesn't bother me. I firmly believe that if you are slightly generous in your attitude, you get a much better response from the girl. If an extra five dollars here or there buys me genuine warmth, smiles, and kisses rather than a strictly business-like performance from the girl, then to me it's worth it.

Sure you can haggle them down on price. But think for a moment what you are implying to the girl: you are basically saying to her "I don't think you are $30 worth of beauty and personality, only maybe $15"

That's got to affect her feelings and attitude towards you.

Yes sometimes for the hell of it I see how low I can get them. But I quickly feel very bad as I see them mentally wrestling with the choice of no money versus having to spend a couple of hours with a hairy barang for $10 or $15. You can sense the desperation in them and I don't like that. To me it seems an abuse of financial power over a far less fortunate person.

End of lecture. LOLSure they like you dishing out more than the going rate, but have zero respect for you doing so. The way you treat them is far more important than how much money you give them as far as GFE is concerned. And soon, if not already, the going rate will be 30-50. Then are you going to start giving 70+? 30 bucks is more than a weeks pay to most people here with what they consider good jobs. It only takes one dude to overpay one girl in a bar and all the rest of the girls in that bar think they will get the same and will hold out for it. (Well until their rent is due and / or too much time until pay day)

In threads below are some comments on how some girls won't go. All of them will go if the money is right. Most of the ones that say no are wanting you to up your offer thanks to guys that overpay and / or the dudes buying multiple lady drinks.

The reason for my rant? PP is turning into another Pattaya and / or Angeles City at an alarming pace. In the just under 2 years that I've lived here I've seen the prices going up up up. I see the girls using more excuses to leave early and / or not perform. Of course this all doesn't affect me as much as a tourist, but it does make it a bit more of a hassle. Negotiating is not something that should be done here, yet one is basically forced to unless they want to overpay. The last two girls that I took out I'd rate as solid 8s and they performed very well. I paid $15 each time, but did have to haggle. They both called the next day asking to come over. I go through hundreds of girls per year, so yeah, I guess I'm sensitive to overpaying.

I had a similar conversation with a tourist here a couple of weeks ago. He was saying that he only goes with the $50 girls. I challenged him on a barhop to point out these so called $50 girls and within 3 bars he pointed out 3 girls that I paid 15-20 either before or after he paid them 50. What really got him was when I showed him some pics of what the girls and I did and him saying that they refused to do such acts for him. The guy is definitely a better looking guy and in far better shape than I am and as far as I could tell, he was a generally polite well mannered man. So that should be proof enough that overpaying doesn't pay as far as the results behind closed doors.

In closing, those of us that live here are very hesitant of giving new info just because guys like I've mentioned will fuck it up.

AussieGuy, my rant isn't directly aimed at you, so please don't take offense. Your post just happen to be the most recent one. I've held my tongue on other similar posts. I guess another thing that got me going on this rant is that a guy I know well when I lived in the PI and he and his buddy said they paid a minimum of 30 each time. This even after they witnessed me getting a girl for 15. The newest thing here now is the girls quoting 50 for an hour. Laughable it should be, but dudes are paying it!

OK, that felt good to type out and get it off my chest. Now should I click the post button? What the hell, I might as well. Surely this post can't possibly be any worse than all the totally useless posts on whether to post a girls pic or not. (My vote for the stupidest topic I've seen on this or any board).

Disclaimer: I'm not out to tell anyone how to spend their hard earned cash. I would just like them to realize that they are indeed fucking up a good thing fast. Now I'm going to go to a bar that I recently found just off the beaten path that hasn't heard of the $50 guys yet and every girl in there wanted to go the last time I was there even though I didn't buy a single lady drink.

[Wendella]

Aussieguy, you'll probably find out that most of them are just eye candy. Generally a waste of time as almost none of them is barfinable. .

Before I sit down in any of those bars I always ask the 2-3 girls I like most if they are ok for barfine. Turns out it's very rarely the case, which saves me time and money as I then move on to more amenable venues with no regrets.On my last visit, I went into one smallish bar on 136, which had the cutest girl I'd seen on my whole visit (of just 4 days). It didn't take much finesse on my part to convince her to go to my hotel, though she would only do it on the next night, not that one (maybe she already had a customer set up that night). This one was a deliciously hot 19 year old. This was just over a year ago, not that long ago.

So I don't know, I suppose it's possible things have changed drastically since I was there, but I'm thinking it also could be possible that other factors might come into play. I'm a guy who's not overweight, late 40s, fairly clean cut and presentable. I don't go out to these places wearing a singlet, shorts and sandals. I shower before going out.

Anyway, I just find it hard to believe that none of the cute girls in these places are willing to go with customers, as a rule. If they're a bit picky because they're in demand enough that they can be, that's not exactly the same as they don't go with customers.

[Sammon]

I too have been disappointed once too many times by those non-barfineable teasers. Your suggestion gives me new hope.

SpacemanIt is not really true that these girls do not barfine. Unlike Thailand or Philippines there is no pressure on these girls to go out with guys. All this is because of NGO pressure on the government to rack down.

Like anywhere else girls make real money only by having sex with punters. Another good thing in Phnom Penh bars is there is no pressure to buy ladydrinks.

It is always better to be upfront and talk to the girl who sits with you. Ask her who will go with you. She will point out the girls. She will even talk to them if you pick. This way there is no confusion as to who will go with you and who will not. If none change the bar. There are also freelance girls at discos. My favourite one is on the riverwalk. It is upstairs. Lots of normal girls go there also so better be carefull.

[AlLostInSpace13]

Anyway, I just find it hard to believe that none of the cute girls in these places are willing to go with customers, as a rule. If they're a bit picky because they're in demand enough that they can be, that's not exactly the same as they don't go with customers.Okay I concede that: 1) may be you got lucky, or 2) may be you're much more handsome than I am. Either way, unless things change drastically in PP, I ain't going back any time soon. I'll stick to BKK instead.

Spaceman

[Qxeau]

Wendella makes a very good point. I've been coming to PP on and off for about three years now. If you dress half decently, have a warm and friendly attitude and try and have some fun with the girls, I find it very easy to hook up with attractive girls any time. Shave (if you are normally clean shaven) before you go out. Any girl prefers smooth to rough. Especially if there is a chance she will let you downstairs. Brush your teeth or carry mints. Works wonders. Basic hygiene and grooming will almost guarantee a better quality experience. Seriously. The number of slobs I see around town is amazing. These girls might be for hire but they have standards too. A little respect goes a long way.

The other thing I will offer is that stingy guys get known and generous guys also get known. By this I mean when at the bar / s having drinks or food. I have found many times that a good tip with the girl behind the bar ends up in some pretty girls coming to say Hello, to me. Theses girls are not greedy but it seems they want to be with someone nice, not someone stingy. And that's not hard to understand.

I rarely pre-negotiate. Almost always have that discussion after the fact. Never felt like I have overpaid or been ripped off. Treating the girl well removes those issues every time.

Just my thoughts. Take 'them or leave 'them.


So I don't know, I suppose it's possible things have changed drastically since I was there, but I'm thinking it also could be possible that other factors might come into play. I'm a guy who's not overweight, late 40s, fairly clean cut and presentable. I don't go out to these places wearing a singlet, shorts and sandals. I shower before going out.

[Joe Looking]

I too have been disappointed once too many times by those non-barfineable teasers. Your suggestion gives me new hope.

SpacemanMore often than not when I am unsure who will go I sit at the bar and chat with the cashier. In my limited experience unless there are multiple cashiers, the cashier cannot be barfined so has no incentive to not tell you who is available. In one case I actually had the cashier bargain the girl down to the price that I wanted to pay.

Like someone else said, most of them can be barfined but some may not outright agree to just go for sex. If there is one that you really want and she says no try telling her that it is just for dancing. Take her to one of the clubs and after ask if she wants to come back to your hotel. Your millage will vary with this strategy. I have never tried this, but other guys I have met report having pretty good success with it.

[Wendella]

Okay I concede that: 1) may be you got lucky, or 2) may be you're much more handsome than I am. Either way, unless things change drastically in PP, I ain't going back any time soon. I'll stick to BKK instead.

SpacemanI guess either one is possible. I wasn't there long enough to get enough opportunities to be sure that it really was that easy. I'm not handsome, in that department I would peg myself as average or a little less than average. I'm not overweight or hairy, and I'd make sure not to be stinky (take a shower) before going out to the bars. One thing I should add: in another bar (street 104) on my first night, there was a very friendly girl who I'd sat with for a few drinks, and when I eventually asked her, she was not up for going to the hotel, though she did ask if I would be ok to go tomorrow instead. I'd just sat there and had drinks with her for awhile, and was "in the mood" by now, so I felt pretty annoyed at that semi-rejection, and so I just told her No I wouldn't, paid my bill and left.

I can remember when I first came to PP about 10 years ago, that you could be walking around with Groucho Marx eyebrows drawn on with black marker and a black-dyed beard wearing a singlet and your gut hanging down over your shorts, and that seemed to be no problem (I used to see those crazy looking characters in the bars and around town in those days; some of you long time PP vets probably know exactly which guys I'm describing-heh heh.). It used to be a lot easier when Martinis was the main spot in town, and it was packed every night with a great variety of girls, all ready to go as soon as you offered. So overall Phnom Penh has gotten a lot tougher for user-friendliness, that is for sure. And it's not even close to being in the same league with Bangkok or Pattaya in terms of sheer numbers of girls available, or easiness of picking them up. The "market" in Phnom Penh was always far smaller than in those Thai places, but at least it used to be cheaper and just as easy. But since then it has gotten more and more dispersed, the venues more difficult, and of course the prices have risen a bit. But as a destination for this particular hobby, anyone who has been to Thailand is probably going to arrive in PP, and as soon as he's out on the town he'll be thinking, Damn, I should have gone to Thailand instead.

Myself, if I could go to either Thailand or Cambodia for a week of recreation, the choice is easy: Thailand every time. I could see it being a difficult choice 8 years ago, but these days there's no contest.

[GentleBoner]

I really don't have the patience to try to find out which girls in the bar will take a barfine, or work on a cute one for a couple days.

Too much of a hassle. The whole point of paying is to remove the hassles.

Also agree with Mongering1.

The girls try to fish for the clueless tourists who will pay $40 or $50.

Once they find out you know the score, they're just as happy to go with you for $15 or $20 if you're pleasant with them.

You're not buying anything extra by being generous.

[AussieGuy100]

I really don't have the patience to try to find out which girls in the bar will take a barfine, or work on a cute one for a couple days.

Too much of a hassle. The whole point of paying is to remove the hassles.

Also agree with Mongering1.

The girls try to fish for the clueless tourists who will pay $40 or $50.

Once they find out you know the score, they're just as happy to go with you for $15 or $20 if you're pleasant with them.

You're not buying anything extra by being generous.Yes and no IMHO.

Of course the girls will try for a big paycheck. With the waves of tourists, especially Asians, now flying into Phnom Penh, they'd have to be fools not to. And yes it is easy to negotiate them down to something more reasonable. But with some girls it will bring a change in attitude. For example last night I met a gorgeous girl on only her fifth day in the bar. She was very attentive but wanted $50 for LT or $30 for an hour. I said no and after some more chat she agreed to $20 for two hours. Yes it was ok with her but she was definitely seeing it as a business transaction rather than a pleasant evening in having sex.

As for the hassle factor of having to 'chase' a hottie for two days before she says yes, to me that is part of the fun. Anyone can walk into a bar, find a reasonable looking girl and be out of there in ten minutes, back at the hotel and f*cking her brains out. But after the tenth or twentieth time doing that, for me anyway, it loses its appeal.

So I like to try to get the harder ones. Like the often very sexy cashiers, or the ones who 'don't go' with customers. More of a challenge! Of course over the two days or so that I am pursuing them, I am also taking out the regular 'easy' girls!

[AussieGuy100]

For those of you looking for something different from the endless hostess bars, try The Golden Boss dancing nightclub on the corner of street 94 and Sisowath Quay. *

This is a timewarp to the days of ballroom dancing, but with the dancing girls available to take home after a quick tango or two. *There is a six piece orchestra and a succession of girls singing, all of them available. Similar to the beer gardens over the Japanese bridge from downtown PP. *

The night I went it was fairly quiet, but still fun. There were about ten girls sitting outside waiting for customers and another twelve or so inside dancing with each other or with customers. They were all about 5-6 rating. Not sure on pricing but I'd guess similar to most girl venues. I'd gone there with a girl, so I didn't get a chance to ask the girls about their rates. Apparently the place is packed on Saturday and Sunday nights.

A fellow ISG guy was in town for a few days and I had a good time visiting bars and swapping war stories with him. I thought I had done some fairly serious mongering, but a couple of the experiences that he mentioned were fairly jaw-dropping. Unfortunately the ISG site rules don't allow details of these types of experiences to be posted. *

He was also the 'lady drink king', buying several lady drinks within minutes of entering a bar, but I cured him of that habit pretty quickly. Don't want to be too generous to the girls, or some of the resident PP posters on ISG would complain we are raising the girls' drink expectations!

I visited a number of bars on 136 last week. All similar and no standouts. Bar 69 used to be full of hot young chicks, but the quality seems to have slipped recently. Change of ownership maybe?

It really does seem to be luck of the draw as to whether you will come across a real hottie or not. Depends on which day, time of night, what girls are having a day off.

Rose Bar and Smiling Girl Bar, both on 104 are good at the moment. Some new girls, as well as a number of girls with generous sized boobs, which is unusual. And Airforce Bar, also on 104, seems livelier than most of the others, with some decent girls and sexy dancing on the bartop.

[Qxeau]

I hear that! There is a certain 'thrill of the chase' in snagging a particularly hot girl. Took me several visits to get access to a particularly hot girl from Candy Bar a while back. Far and away the most attractive there, but a bit shy of coming out for more. She was also incredibly non-demanding. After a few visits she agreed to come out, since we made a good connection. Worth it? You bet.


As for the hassle factor of having to 'chase' a hottie for two days before she says yes, to me that is part of the fun. Anyone can walk into a bar, find a reasonable looking girl and be out of there in ten minutes, back at the hotel and f*cking her brains out. But after the tenth or twentieth time doing that, for me anyway, it loses its appeal.

So I like to try to get the harder ones. Like the often very sexy cashiers, or the ones who 'don't go' with customers. More of a challenge! Of course over the two days or so that I am pursuing them, I am also taking out the regular 'easy' girls!

[John Smith 2112]

I am headed to Phnom Penh in a couple of weeks. I decided I would rather pay a little more for a hotel and stay in a nice place (although still pretty cheap by Western standards).

I'm not naming the hotel for privacy reasons, but it is listed here as being girl friendly:

http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/category/cambodia/phnom-penh/

The hotel's website says they are "family friendly" but does not say anything about "no sex tourism" like some hotels. So it sounds like I might get dirty looks from some guy's fat ugly wife, I can deal with that.

However, I searched the forums and saw some people complaining that this hotel is NOT girl friendly, the reason being that they hassle you for the girl's I'd. I emailed the hotel, they replied that having guests is fine, without an extra fee, but they must be over 18 and must leave their I'd at the desk.

This sounds pretty reasonable to me, this policy is only there to protect me and to protect the hotel. I have no problem with this policy at all.

However, is this going to cause issues, as far as limiting my choices of girls to invite back? You would think they would need I'd to get into the bars in the first place? What about Vietnamese girls, are they in the country illegally and will not have an I'd? Do the Vietnamese girls normally stick to the massage parlors and brothels, and are not even available for take-out? Maybe the girls without I'd are the ones more likely to cause problems anyway?

I guess the ST hotels are fine for girls without I'd but not really my preference. In fact I'm hoping to find just one stunner and keep her the for the whole trip.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

[AussieGuy100]

I am headed to Phnom Penh in a couple of weeks. I decided I would rather pay a little more for a hotel and stay in a nice place (although still pretty cheap by Western standards).

I'm not naming the hotel for privacy reasons, but it is listed here as being girl friendly:

http://www.bargirlfriendlyhotels.com/category/cambodia/phnom-penh/

The hotel's website says they are "family friendly" but does not say anything about "no sex tourism" like some hotels. So it sounds like I might get dirty looks from some guy's fat ugly wife, I can deal with that.

However, I searched the forums and saw some people complaining that this hotel is NOT girl friendly, the reason being that they hassle you for the girl's I'd. I emailed the hotel, they replied that having guests is fine, without an extra fee, but they must be over 18 and must leave their I'd at the desk.

This sounds pretty reasonable to me, this policy is only there to protect me and to protect the hotel. I have no problem with this policy at all.

However, is this going to cause issues, as far as limiting my choices of girls to invite back? You would think they would need I'd to get into the bars in the first place? What about Vietnamese girls, are they in the country illegally and will not have an I'd? Do the Vietnamese girls normally stick to the massage parlors and brothels, and are not even available for take-out? Maybe the girls without I'd are the ones more likely to cause problems anyway?

I guess the ST hotels are fine for girls without I'd but not really my preference. In fact I'm hoping to find just

Thanks in advance for any advice.First off: RELAX. You will have a wonderful time in Phnom Penh.

The I'd issue is not really an issue. Most girls from the normal girlie / hostess bars will have I'd. A lot of the freelancers will also have I'd. I'm not sure about Vietnamese girls who are illegally in Cambodia, but there are hundreds of legally resident Vietnamese girls who will also have I'd.

Some hotels say they need overnight guests I'd but if you front up with a girl who doesn't have I'd, they will just hold her cellphone at reception overnight. One place I stayed at, I brought a girl back who had no I'd and no cellphone, so the hotel just made me sign in a book to say I took responsibility for the girl in case of any theft problems etc. So it's no problem, and as you say, it's just for your protection.

Also there is a very different attitude to prostitution in Cambodia, Thailand and most of SE Asia compared to the west. It is a much more accepted part of daily life. So hotels, restaurants, bars and most other places won't hassle you at all as you BRI g your hottie (or two) into their establishments. Yes you get the odd frown from American mid-Western middle aged couples in hotel foyers or restaurants, but I actually take a perverse delight in choosing restaurant tables right next to them when I'm out with a hot girl, so I can watch them squirm! All part of the fun.

And yes, if you can find a gorgeous, friendly, English speaking girl in your first couple of nights and then keep her for the trip, that is a great way to go. She will show you loads of places you might not otherwise see, and the whole GFE will be much better. Just don't make any promises to her that you can't keep!

[SailSingapore]

First off: RELAX. You will have a wonderful time in Phnom Penh.

The I'd issue is not really an issue. Most girls from the normal girlie / hostess bars will have I'd. A lot of the freelancers will also have I'd. I'm not sure about Vietnamese girls who are illegally in Cambodia, but there are hundreds of legally resident Vietnamese girls who will also have I'd.

Some hotels say they need overnight guests I'd but if you front up with a girl who doesn't have I'd, they will just hold her cellphone at reception overnight. One place I stayed at, I brought a girl back who had no I'd and no cellphone, so the hotel just made me sign in a book to say I took responsibility for the girl in case of any theft problems etc. So it's no problem, and as you say, it's just for your protection.

Also there is a very different attitude to prostitution in Cambodia, Thailand and most of SE Asia compared to the west. It is a much more accepted part of daily life. So hotels, restaurants, bars and most other places won't hassle you at all as you BRI g your hottie (or two) into their establishments. Yes you get the odd frown from American mid-Western middle aged couples in hotel foyers or restaurants, but I actually take a perverse delight in choosing restaurant tables right next to them when I'm out with a hot girl, so I can watch them squirm! All part of the fun.

And yes, if you can find a gorgeous, friendly, English speaking girl in your first couple of nights and then keep her for the trip, that is a great way to go. She will show you loads of places you might not otherwise see, and the whole GFE will be much better. Just don't make any promises to her that you can't keep!Thanks so much for the excellent inputs Sir!

I too am facing the same predicament as JohnSmith : obviously the Raffles is out of the Question. However as the P. P. Hotel has a KTV in the premises it should be fine with an overnight "friendly" provided a double room is booked.

However as most of the "fun" bars are on the riverfront, the bargirl friendly Bougainviller Hotel springs to mind : the tripadvisor warns that the better rooms are on the 4th floor & there is no elevator (which normally I don't care about) : I dread the prospect of being dead drunk at 3am with a willing companion & being faced with a hike up 4 floors.

Sir, I too would appreciate any inputs you may have aon a well-located girl-friendly establishment (with COLD aircon if that is not too much to dream for!)

Thanks in advance

[Dan Brody]

I'm worried that I might be too much of a special case to find what I'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. I'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in Cambodia. I'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why I haven't lost it yet back in the US, but have never had a girlfriend. I guess I'm too shy. Too complicated to go into. Anyways, the only reason I would want to lose it here is because I can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that I wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the US. And girls my age in the US are too experienced for me to feel comfortable with. But a nice first time experience isn't the only consideration. I don't drink or dance. So bars, nightclubs, and KTV locations are pretty much out of the question. I've been around Phnom Penh now a few days. I've been by all the popular locations and haven't seen any real possibilities. Can't deal with bars, the girls on 63rd st are mostly average looking, and haven't found any brothels. I had an awkward experience yesterday when I entered a Tuol Kork KTV thinking, as I had been told, that KTV establishments are thinly veiled brothels, and when I was taken to the karaoke room and I explained that I don't drink, would only want a coke, don't want to sing either, and asked where the girls were it seemed the bouncer / host guy there wanted me to leave. Don't know how safe it would have been for me there anyways given two of the girls sitting out front looked no older than 14-15. So what's my best option? I can tell a moto driver to bring me girls, but they can only bring 1-2 at a time and most of the time ignore my request for 18yos and bring me older girls. I'd rather choose from a much bigger group. Are the brothel days in Phnom Penh over? Am I too late? Is Pattaya a better option for me? I came to Cambodia for other reasons, so if nothing happens it would be disappointing but not a waste. But I also don't want to have regrets when I leave.

Thanks

[Joe Looking]

I am headed to Phnom Penh in a couple of weeks. I decided I would rather pay a little more for a hotel and stay in a nice place (although still pretty cheap by Western standards).

Thanks in advance for any advice.There is a hotel on Street 51 (a couple of doors down from Heart of Darkness) called Newcastle Guesthouse. They have clean air conditioned rooms for $15 (maybe if you pay for a week in advance you can get a better rate). I've stayed there a few times and have brought back women on most nights (in some cases more than one at a time). Even during the day, I never get any dirty looks from the staff nor have I ever been asked to pay a fee. I don't think they check IDs unless you ask, but if you do not escort the girl out they will call your room before they let her leave.

Another hotel is called NaNa, I believe, but the air conditioned room is $18 and far smaller than at Newcastle.

If you're have trouble at your hotel, just ask the girl you are with. Most of them will be able to tell you the price at various hotels that will be girl friendly.

[SailSingapore]

There is a hotel on Street 51 (a couple of doors down from Heart of Darkness) called Newcastle Guesthouse. They have clean air conditioned rooms for $15 (maybe if you pay for a week in advance you can get a better rate). I've stayed there a few times and have brought back women on most nights (in some cases more than one at a time). Even during the day, I never get any dirty looks from the staff nor have I ever been asked to pay a fee. I don't think they check IDs unless you ask, but if you do not escort the girl out they will call your room before they let her leave.

Another hotel is called NaNa, I believe, but the air conditioned room is $18 and far smaller than at Newcastle.

If you're have trouble at your hotel, just ask the girl you are with. Most of them will be able to tell you the price at various hotels that will be girl friendly.Bro Joe : what about Bourgainviller Hotel : girl-friendly?

[Sammon]

i'm worried that i might be too much of a special case to find what i'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. i'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in cambodia. i'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why i haven't lost it yet back in the us, but have never had a girlfriend. i guess i'm too shy. too complicated to go into. anyways, the only reason i would want to lose it here is because i can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that i wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the us. and girls my age in the us are too experienced for me to feel comfortable with. but a nice first time experience isn't the only consideration. i don't drink or dance. so bars, nightclubs, and ktv locations are pretty much out of the question. i've been around phnom penh now a few days. i've been by all the popular locations and haven't seen any real possibilities. can't deal with bars, the girls on 63rd st are mostly average looking, and haven't found any brothels. i had an awkward experience yesterday when i entered a tuol kork ktv thinking, as i had been told, that ktv establishments are thinly veiled brothels, and when i was taken to the karaoke room and i explained that i don't drink, would only want a coke, don't want to sing either, and asked where the girls were it seemed the bouncer / host guy there wanted me to leave. don't know how safe it would have been for me there anyways given two of the girls sitting out front looked no older than 14-15. so what's my best option? i can tell a moto driver to bring me girls, but they can only bring 1-2 at a time and most of the time ignore my request for 18yos and bring me older girls. i'd rather choose from a much bigger group. are the brothel days in phnom penh over? am i too late? is pattaya a better option for me? i came to cambodia for other reasons, so if nothing happens it would be disappointing but not a waste. but i also don't want to have regrets when i leave.

thankscambodia is not for you if you are reasonably ok looking. it is very hard to meet normal girls. the girls at the brothels, bars, ktv do not care if you are young or a virgin (in men's terms it means nothing). if you are in the age bracket of 12-16 it may mean something to other high school girls. so do not go and advertise the fact with girls. they will be amused but least bit interested. maybe they will take advantage of the fact and scam you.

but in phnom penh you should have been successfull in getting laid quickly. maybe you are too cautious, afraid of **** or just afraid. only thing i want to say is with prostitutes there is no need to worry if you satisfy the girl or not.

pattaya is also for seasoned mongers.

i would suggest chat with phi normal girls. they can speak english and will be accomodating becauuse they themselves are not much experienced in sex.

i remember when i lost my virginity at age 13 with a girl of older age of 16. she had experience and taught me but i doubt if i really satisfied her. sex was over quickly and no amount coaxing from her could get my thing stand up again. i guess at that age it is hard to have sex more than once a day.

[John Smith 2112]

I don't drink or dance. So bars, nightclubs, and KTV locations are pretty much out of the question.What are you, a Mormon?

It sounds to me, like you are putting up a bunch of mental roadblocks for yourself, the same reasons that you are inventing that kept you from getting laid in the US.

For example, who says you can't go into a bar or nightclub JUST to meet girls, without drinking or dancing? There are literally THOUSANDS of girls in PP waiting to meet a guy just like you (a guy with $20 in his pocket). And if you are young and good looking, that even opens the possibilities a little more.

But, you have to be at least a little bit aggressive. Anybody who is experience and knows the "score" will be able to swoop in and steal your young hottie, while you are busy staring at your shoes and making excuses for yourself.

My advice would be, go hang out in these bars anyway, go to Shanghai where it sounds like most of the girls are not even available for takeout. Buy them some lady drinks, buy yourself a coke, talk to the girls and have a good time.

You need to get over the fear of talking to these girls initially. So just go and have fun without the enormous pressure you've built up for yourself about trying to lose your virginity. Maybe after a while you will be comfortable enough to tell some girls what you are looking for, maybe they know somebody who knows somebody. Even make friends with some of the guys, who might be able to take you under their wing.

Also if you are inexperienced and end up with an inexperienced girl, you could have a disaster. There is nothing wrong with going with a girl that has a little bit of experience. Are you really going to turn down a 25 year old hottie, waiting instead for the mythical girl that just turned 18 yesterday?

Sorry for the tough love, but the only thing stopping you is you. So go out, learn to have fun, and let things progress instead of stopping them for all these silly reasons.

[Bumholes1]

There is a hotel on Street 51 (a couple of doors down from Heart of Darkness) called Newcastle Guesthouse.To avoid any confusion, be advised that the guest house is called New Castle Guest House.

[GentleBoner]

I'm worried that I might be too much of a special case to find what I'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. I'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in Cambodia. I'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why I haven't lost it yet back in the US, but have never had a girlfriend. I guess I'm too shy. Too complicated to go into. Anyways, the only reason I would want to lose it here is because I can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that I wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the US. And girls my age in the US are too experienced for me to feel comfortable with. But a nice first time experience isn't the only consideration. I don't drink or dance. So bars, nightclubs, and KTV locations are pretty much out of the question. I've been around Phnom Penh now a few days. I've been by all the popular locations and haven't seen any real possibilities. Can't deal with bars, the girls on 63rd st are mostly average looking, and haven't found any brothels. I had an awkward experience yesterday when I entered a Tuol Kork KTV thinking, as I had been told, that KTV establishments are thinly veiled brothels, and when I was taken to the karaoke room and I explained that I don't drink, would only want a coke, don't want to sing either, and asked where the girls were it seemed the bouncer / host guy there wanted me to leave. Don't know how safe it would have been for me there anyways given two of the girls sitting out front looked no older than 14-15. So what's my best option? I can tell a moto driver to bring me girls, but they can only bring 1-2 at a time and most of the time ignore my request for 18yos and bring me older girls. I'd rather choose from a much bigger group. Are the brothel days in Phnom Penh over? Am I too late? Is Pattaya a better option for me? I came to Cambodia for other reasons, so if nothing happens it would be disappointing but not a waste. But I also don't want to have regrets when I leave.

ThanksIt sounds like you're looking for the brothels that existed in the 90s. But they're gone now.

The problem is that you want something fairly restrictive and aren't willing to try many places to find it. If every guy could find very attractive 18yo girls and didn't have to bother with annoying bars and clubs, life would be pretty pleasant.

Massage parlors in Bangkok might be your best bet. Some have 40 or 50 girls working which you can choose from, though the younger ones are more expensive.

[Bubba999]

Glad you cured the guy that was buying drinks at the drop of hat. He probably overpays massively as well which totally spoils things for everyone who follows. Once a girl knows she can get $40 for an all nigh from some clueless tourist then everyone in the bar will want the same. The average wage in Cambodia is barely $15 so buying multiple lady drinks etc is just stupid.

QUOTE=AussieGuy100; 1257969]A fellow ISG guy was in town for a few days and I had a good time visiting bars and swapping war stories with him. I thought I had done some fairly serious mongering, but a couple of the experiences that he mentioned were fairly jaw-dropping. Unfortunately the ISG site rules don't allow details of these types of experiences to be posted. *

He was also the 'lady drink king', buying several lady drinks within minutes of entering a bar, but I cured him of that habit pretty quickly. Don't want to be too generous to the girls, or some of the resident PP posters on ISG would complain we are raising the girls' drink expectations![/QUOTE]

[Pinche Gringo]

Got to the Paris Hotel. They have a fish bowl where you can choose what you want.


I'm worried that I might be too much of a special case to find what I'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. I'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in Cambodia. I'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why I haven't lost it yet back in the US, but have never had a girlfriend. I guess I'm too shy. Too complicated to go into. Anyways, the only reason I would want to lose it here is because I can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that I wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the US. And girls my age in the US are too experienced for me to feel comfortable with. But a nice first time experience isn't the only consideration. I don't drink or dance. So bars, nightclubs, and KTV locations are pretty much out of the question. I've been around Phnom Penh now a few days. I've been by all the popular locations and haven't seen any real possibilities. Can't deal with bars, the girls on 63rd st are mostly average looking, and haven't found any brothels. I had an awkward experience yesterday when I entered a Tuol Kork KTV thinking, as I had been told, that KTV establishments are thinly veiled brothels, and when I was taken to the karaoke room and I explained that I don't drink, would only want a coke, don't want to sing either, and asked where the girls were it seemed the bouncer / host guy there wanted me to leave. Don't know how safe it would have been for me there anyways given two of the girls sitting out front looked no older than 14-15. So what's my best option? I can tell a moto driver to bring me girls, but they can only bring 1-2 at a time and most of the time ignore my request for 18yos and bring me older girls. I'd rather choose from a much bigger group. Are the brothel days in Phnom Penh over? Am I too late? Is Pattaya a better option for me? I came to Cambodia for other reasons, so if nothing happens it would be disappointing but not a waste. But I also don't want to have regrets when I leave.

Thanks

[AussieDoug]

I'm worried that I might be too much of a special case to find what I'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. I'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in Cambodia. I'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why I haven't lost it yet back in the US, but have never had a girlfriend. I guess I'm too shy. Too complicated to go into. Anyways, the only reason I would want to lose it here is because I can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that I wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the US. ThanksSo how do you get to Cambodia, I guess you went through another country, was it Thailand? If so, keep it in your pants until you stopover in Thailand, you will find plenty of nice young and willing girls to take care of you, and they can be very young, all claim 18yo, but a few are younger. And don't bother about not drinking alchohol, I have spent many a night on Coke and Soda water and 7up, nobody will think any less of you for not drinking. You can still go to discos to listen to the music etc. But get a decent hotel, not a flea trap, believe me that will turn the girl off quick smart, be sensibly generous and you will have a great time.

[Dan Brody]

To all who have replied, thanks. And yeah, I realized that Phnom Penh has changed a lot since the 90s. It's nothing like "Off the Rails" makes it out to be. To be honest, that's what I was looking for. And it's not being able to please the girl that I'm worried about. I couldn't care less about that. I just want someone young and attractive because I know that I probably will never be able to get an 18yo back in the states. I also don't want to go through the hassle at the bars. Bars put me off and it's really only about sex. If I wanted to chat a girl up I'd stick to american girls who can at least speak english well and can hold a decent conversation. On the other hand, I don't want it to be too cold and business-like and not feel like I have many options. In PP I didn't feel like there were many attractive girls outside of the bar district. From what I've read of Pattaya it seems you can walk the beach and girls will wave you down. But those reports were also from years back.


It sounds like you're looking for the brothels that existed in the 90s. But they're gone now.

The problem is that you want something fairly restrictive and aren't willing to try many places to find it. If every guy could find very attractive 18yo girls and didn't have to bother with annoying bars and clubs, life would be pretty pleasant.

Massage parlors in Bangkok might be your best bet. Some have 40 or 50 girls working which you can choose from, though the younger ones are more expensive.

[NspectHerGadgt]

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1258961]I don't think they check IDs unless you ask, but if you do not escort the girl out they will call your room before they let her leave.

That was the routine at Local 2 Guesthouse (March 2012). No problem with bringing a girl, and a decent place to stay for about $20 (no breakfast.)

[NspectHerGadgt]

Yes. But that was in March when I was there. A moto-taxi guy took me there, a couple of young cuties there.

The one I took was a dead fish and wanted $50 for FS, talked her down to $40. Had to see and touch those perky tits.I just visited Sakura Hotel, March 2012. Front Desk Clerk (woman) brought me up to the 2nd floor, where the well-stocked Fish Bowl awaits. About a dozen women were there 2pm on a weekday. One of them was the obvious choice: so cute, young, and perky. Can hardly tell you about the others, since she was so distracting. I think the others were average at best. Current room rate is $15 / room / hour. Girl started out asking $60. Ha ha ha that's ridiculous. We settled on $25, but she may have restricted her menu at that price. Limited kissing, no DATY, no BJ, but full naked access to the cutest pair of B+ cups (which look like C's on her small frame) and CFS. A fun time with a girl who looks like she's in high school.

[AussieDoug]

To all who have replied, thanks. I just want someone young and attractive because I know that I probably will never be able to get an 18yo back in the states.Go to Bangkok, dress respectably, not in shorts and sandals, go to the upmarket places, or think they're upmarket, like Q Bar or Bed Supperclub, there are tons of places where locals hang out and many people do speak relatively good english, in some cases very good, how do you think they communicate with the farangs that they work with in many of the companies. If they do not see you as a sex tourist they will take an interest particularly in a young stud. Some years back I went into a department store and asked about the cost of bedding, not something a usual tourist would do. The sales woman who was about 30, not too old for an old fart like me, actually reached out, took my hand and walked me around to another part of the shop where the bedding was. I will bet I could have followed up and at least got a first date, but I was asking the questions to figure out how much to give the "child bride" that I was supporting. I have a son your age, he is mucking around with women of 30 etc, and won't let me tell him he needs a younger girl, not one reaching her use by date. When I took ill in Bangkok last year, I asked him to come over and escort me home, I didn't need it, but I hoped he would come and see that there are still women in the world who are not throw backs to elephants, but he could not see the wood for the trees. He spotted all the ugly ones and lost interest. Your first date with a thai girl may well be a threesome, not in that way, she will bring a chaperone to check you out, second date you are on your own, they are adventurous, they want to sample a farang at least once in their lives, and don't ask if they have been checked for HIV, you will at a minimum get your face slapped by any decent girl.

[GentleBoner]

To all who have replied, thanks. And yeah, I realized that Phnom Penh has changed a lot since the 90s. It's nothing like "Off the Rails" makes it out to be. To be honest, that's what I was looking for. And it's not being able to please the girl that I'm worried about. I couldn't care less about that. I just want someone young and attractive because I know that I probably will never be able to get an 18yo back in the states. I also don't want to go through the hassle at the bars. Bars put me off and it's really only about sex. If I wanted to chat a girl up I'd stick to american girls who can at least speak english well and can hold a decent conversation. On the other hand, I don't want it to be too cold and business-like and not feel like I have many options. In PP I didn't feel like there were many attractive girls outside of the bar district. From what I've read of Pattaya it seems you can walk the beach and girls will wave you down. But those reports were also from years back.In Phnom Penh nowadays it's all about bars and the few nightclub freelancers.

You won't find what you're looking for if you don't like those environments.

There are still girls on the beach road in Pattaya, but I doubt you'd like them. Many are about 40 and very rough looking, like streetwalkers back in the US.

I still say your best bet is massage parlours in Bangkok. Minimum hassle and 18ish girls available in some.

[How14]

Hi,

First post on Cambodia thread. I'm currently in Thailand, and I'm wishing to avoid the sonkran water festival in Thailand on April 14th, I was planning on going to Cambodia to get away from the madness, but a friend here told me they have the same water festival in Cambodia, can anyone of you guys on here confirm if you have sonkran in Cambodia? If you do, is it as crazy as Thailand, or?

Thanks in advance

[Bumholes1]

Hi,

First post on Cambodia thread. I'm currently in Thailand, and I'm wishing to avoid the sonkran water festival in Thailand on April 14th, I was planning on going to Cambodia to get away from the madness, but a friend here told me they have the same water festival in Cambodia, can anyone of you guys on here confirm if you have sonkran in Cambodia? If you do, is it as crazy as Thailand, or?

Thanks in advanceNot stalking you How 14, but I WILL be in Cambodia over Songkran. Siem Reap. And am as interested as you in hearing an answer to your question.

[Mr Enternational]

Not stalking you How 14, but I WILL be in Cambodia over Songkran. Siem Reap. And am as interested as you in hearing an answer to your question.I am in Siem Reap right now. I just asked the lady at the desk of the hotel where I am staying. She said the water festival will be April 13-16. She said they only play a little bit, not as hard as the one in Thailand.

[Leftfield1965]

Hi,

First post on Cambodia thread. I'm currently in Thailand, and I'm wishing to avoid the sonkran water festival in Thailand on April 14th, I was planning on going to Cambodia to get away from the madness, but a friend here told me they have the same water festival in Cambodia, can anyone of you guys on here confirm if you have sonkran in Cambodia? If you do, is it as crazy as Thailand, or?

Thanks in advanceNever been in Cambo at Songkran but I've heard that it's definately not as hardcore as Thailand. I guess it's more like Thailand used to be years ago before the waterguns etc were introduced, more traditional and more respectfull.

I was in Phnom Penh last year in the days leading up to Khmer New Year and the city does become very quiet. Lots of girls take off to the provinces to be with their family, leaving far less options for mongering. It's worth keeping that in mind if you intend to visit during that time of year.

[Super Cum 500]

If one wants younger-looking hookers (not girls to date, just sex) what's best option.

Bangkok / Pattaya / Phom Penh?

And can anyone descrie the difference in looks / quality between the girls in these 3 places or is it a case of 6 and half a dozen? All places have near enough similar type looking girls its just different venue / city / environment.

Like buying a car from a garage, the internet or a local ad. Same product just different place to buy it?

Cheers

[Leftfield1965]

Thats a very valid point there thanks, I had not considered it, so maybe its best to avoid the place if thats the case as girls might well be in short supply, so, is this like there version of new year?My post wasn't meant to dissuade anyone from visiting PP during Khmer New Year. I was merely warning punters that there will probably be less girls around than normal. Having said that, I tend to find that mongering in PP is a bit of a lucky draw. One week it might be excellent, the next it could be crap. But regardless of that I still love Phnom Penh, and visiting the place every 2/3 months gives me a well deserved break from Bangkok. Looking forward to rolling into town again in 2 weeks.

[AussieDoug]

editor's note: this report was deleted in accordance with the forum's policy prohibiting any references to any persons under the age of 18. this action is in no way a reflection of the merits of the author's comments.

i am aware that the vast majority of references to **** girls are legitimate attempts to warn other members about how easy it is to accidentally pickup an **** girls, the potential dangers of being caught with **** girls, etc. however, past discussions in the forum has repeatedly demonstrated that the subject simply cannot be discussed intelligently, in any form or for any reason, without being misinterpreted and without starting flame wars.

please do not post information about or references to **** persons in the forum. please read the forum's posting guidelines for further information. thanks!

[Cambo Lover]

To all who have replied, thanks. And yeah, I realized that Phnom Penh has changed a lot since the 90s. It's nothing like "Off the Rails" makes it out to be. To be honest, that's what I was looking for. And it's not being able to please the girl that I'm worried about. I couldn't care less about that. I just want someone young and attractive because I know that I probably will never be able to get an 18yo back in the states. I also don't want to go through the hassle at the bars. Bars put me off and it's really only about sex. If I wanted to chat a girl up I'd stick to american girls who can at least speak english well and can hold a decent conversation. On the other hand, I don't want it to be too cold and business-like and not feel like I have many options. In PP I didn't feel like there were many attractive girls outside of the bar district. From what I've read of Pattaya it seems you can walk the beach and girls will wave you down. But those reports were also from years back.Its true that PP isn't anymore what it was in the 90's BUT you still will find nice younger-looking women in the Heart off darkness and around this area if I can find them I am sure you will as well after all I don't look for them they are just there. It seems some expats don't wana give the info people ask for. Why this forum is made for? Exactly to help eachother.

The question about how PP is around newyear I will comfirm its much much more decent then in Thailand little water more fun but as stated many girls (the ones that have cash) will go to the provinces but that not mean you have to avoid PP still enough action the only thing that bother me alittle that some of my favorite bars are closed but whatever its only 3 days.

Cambo lover

[AussieGuy100]

Khmer girls are different from Thai girls in their attitude to customers, and the hostess bar culture is also different. If you want to able to choose a young 18-20 year old cutie with no hassles then Bangkok and Pattaya are better. Virtually no girls in the Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy or Soi 6 (?) will refuse a barfine request.

In Phnom Penh this is not the case, as you can see from previous posts. In PP you need to ask the girl early on whether she will barfine or not. And in some cases she is more likely to say yes if you are well dressed and don't grope her excessively in the bar. You could say Khmer hostesses can have a more conservative approach to their work. In Thailand it is just purely business. How many barang customers can they churn through to fund their family or local sponging boyfriend.

There is also a difference in cost, Thailand being more expensive.

In Soi Cowboy bars or Nana Plaza, some girls are now asking for $75 short time (and getting it) plus $20 barfine. Add in one lady drink, a beer, plus maybe $10 for a short time hotel, and your one hour of heaven with a hot 18 year old is over $100.

Probably similar prices in top Pattaya spots. Of course there are cheaper places, plus freelancers, in both Bangkok and Pattaya (sometimes very cheap, which makes you wonder about their HIV status) , but generally Thailand will cost you much more than Phnom Penh, if that is a factor in your decision making.

Girls in Phnom Penh will cost you $15-30 for short time, or $20-40 for all night. Plus $6-10 barfine. Can be more expensive in upmarket places like Naga Casino (Darling Darling). Depends a bit on your negotiating skills and how desperate a girl is for money that week.

Khmer girls can look different to Thai girls. Cambodia has a more varied ethnic mix than Thailand, with girls who are half Chinese, Lao, Vietnamese, or Burmese. But to be honest I think they all look pretty damn hot compared to 'western whale women'.

In terms of pure sexual performance you may find that Thai girls are more experienced and certainly more willing to consider blow jobs, anal sex, CIM, and COF than Khmers.

I'm sure you'll find a lovely girl (or many) whichever destination you choose.

[Super Cum 500]

I don't want to do anything illegal. What I meant was cute type slim women with cute faces. Having been to Thailand before I know that some Thai girls can be 20 and still look like a typical western teen. Whereas a typical western 20 year old is usually starting to get overweight and not so pretty LOL. In fact, one of the reasons I need to go abroad LOL.

BUt I have never been to Cambodia nor much exploration of Bangkok. I am aware that to pay for sex in Thailand the girl has to be 18 or 20? But legal age to have mutual sex is lower if unpaid. Not sure Cambodia laws. Nonetheless as I said its not an 'age' I am looking for but a 'look'. I'll stick to the law!

I wonder out of these 3 places which has the highest concentration of younger-looking women.

So Bangkok is the place to be?

Cheers

[Super Cum 500]

Also I like big boobs! So I would ideally prefer cute girls with nice boobs also is a big plus!

Cambodia, Bangkok or Pattaya best choice?

Off course I will get my big boob Euro girls in Germany or some place so Thailand is more for the cute girl factor. For the womenly model type I'll stick with Europe.

[FrankDenial]

Its been a couple of years since I was in beautiful Cambodia. A friend of mine just returned from a trip and said the place has changed dramatically in the last two years or so. Is this true? I know that the HoD closed down some years ago, is the Walkabout still going strong (well its version of strong anyway)? What about the other haunts? I'm coming over in July and would like a heads up if possible.

[Wendella]

I'm worried that I might be too much of a special case to find what I'm looking for, so any help is appreciated. I'm 30 years old and looking to lose my virginity in Cambodia. I'm very fit and attractive, and can't really explain why I haven't lost it yet back in the US, but have never had a girlfriend. I guess I'm too shy. Too complicated to go into. Anyways, the only reason I would want to lose it here is because I can find attractive and young (18 yo) girls here that I wouldn't have a chance with, given my age, in the US. And girls my age in the US are too experienced for me to feel comfortable with. But a nice first time experience isn't the only consideration. I don't drink or dance. So bars, nightclubs, and KTV locations are pretty much out of the question. I've been around Phnom Penh now a few days. I've been by all the popular locations and haven't seen any real possibilities. Can't deal with bars, the girls on 63rd st are mostly average looking, and haven't found any brothels. I had an awkward experience yesterday when I entered a Tuol Kork KTV thinking, as I had been told, that KTV establishments are thinly veiled brothels, and when I was taken to the karaoke room and I explained that I don't drink, would only want a coke, don't want to sing either, and asked where the girls were it seemed the bouncer / host guy there wanted me to leave. Don't know how safe it would have been for me there anyways given two of the girls sitting out front looked no older than 14-15. So what's my best option? I can tell a moto driver to bring me girls, but they can only bring 1-2 at a time and most of the time ignore my request for 18yos and bring me older girls. I'd rather choose from a much bigger group. Are the brothel days in Phnom Penh over? Am I too late? Is Pattaya a better option for me? I came to Cambodia for other reasons, so if nothing happens it would be disappointing but not a waste. But I also don't want to have regrets when I leave.

ThanksSince you lament the days of brothels, I assume you're into paying, that's no problem. I'm not too familiar with the massage scene in PP, never have tried, so others here can advise better about that. Whenever I visit PP, I go to Martinis to see how things are there. With some patience you should be able to find something acceptable there-by patience, I mean that sometimes she hasn't arrived yet if you get there at 10pm, but maybe she will by midnight. Or maybe not. Another scene to try are the bars on streets 104 and 136. I might split an evening's outing between 2 of these 3 areas, maybe even all three if I'm not having any luck. For late night there's always Heart of Darkness and I guess these days Pontoon, which are frequented by freelancers. AS for not liking nightclubs and bars, well. Me neither. But since that's where the girls are I just grin and bear it until I find what I'm looking for. You can always drink something non-alcoholic, which I often do. But these girls are out there looking to find customers, so any kind of bar / club culture is not a priority to them. They don't care at all if you know how to dance, or are willing to go on the dancefloor or not, or how much you drink or whatever. Just imagine you're an undercover detective posing as a club-goer. You're on a mission. Yeah but if you are going to make a hard rule against going to bars, clubs or ktv's, it seems like you're eliminating the vast majority of the pie. That's where the girls are in PP. I'm surprised you'd be willing to go to a creepy area like Tuol Kok and explore(yuck!) but not willing to go into foreigner-oriented bars and clubs that to me seem much more comfortable and less scary.

That said, to me Pattaya seems a bit off putting, and I think would be especially for someone new to all this. Bangkok for some reason seems less so, classier in a way. Less seedy. A place like Nana Plaza (a kind of mall of gogo bars) would blow your mind, it needs to be done. Every girl in the place is instantly available. And for the type you're talking about. 18 and seemingly out of reach in terms of looks, Rainbow 4 is just what the doctor ordered. It's got 2 stages packed with that type.

I see the grammar-check on this forum doesn't allow me to use subordinate clauses, turns them into separate sentences. How advanced.

[GentleBoner]

Phnom Penh: Not really a "mongering destination" anymore. Meaning not a place to visit just for the girls. Girls brown skinned and curvy. Overall city pretty shitty for tourists. Nothing to do other than go to bars at night. The scene is only really the bars on 136 and 104, and 3 nightclubs (HOD, Pontoon and Martini).

Bangkok: Wide variety to the scene. Agreed that it feels a bit classier than other places nearby, without being pretentious, even while you're trawling around notorious nightlife areas. Drawback is that it can be a bit expensive, especially compared to Cambodia. Prices about US$60-100 for a girl. Girls often pretty and slim.

Pattaya: Bangkok's supertrashy cousin. Hundreds of gogo bars and beer bars, thousands of girls available. Good freelancer scene in the discos. Has a fraternity party feel to it, and the girls can be cold and mercenary in their demands for money. Prices similar to Bangkok.

[BionicMan]

I don't want to do anything illegal. What I meant was cute type slim women with cute faces. Having been to Thailand before I know that some Thai girls can be 20 and still look like a typical western teen. Whereas a typical western 20 year old is usually starting to get overweight and not so pretty LOL. In fact, one of the reasons I need to go abroad LOL.

BUt I have never been to Cambodia nor much exploration of Bangkok. I am aware that to pay for sex in Thailand the girl has to be 18 or 20? But legal age to have mutual sex is lower if unpaid. Not sure Cambodia laws. Nonetheless as I said its not an 'age' I am looking for but a 'look'. I'll stick to the law!

I wonder out of these 3 places which has the highest concentration of younger-looking women.

So Bangkok is the place to be?

CheersStick to the legal rules of your country and you will be fine too, as long as it requires at least 18 yo.

Don't forget that what is supposedly legal in a country not necessarily is in yours. And that can prevail.

You can pay for any age, but the jail will not discriminate whether you paid or not if the girl is below legal age.

Lot has to do with the age difference of the two partners. A boy and a girl both 16 can possibly be ok, but if she is 16 and you are 25, 30 or more. I would not bet much on you legally escaping if caught.

Believe it or not, Prostitution in Thailand is not Technically legal.

[Super Cum 500]

. The scene is only really the bars on 136 and 104, and 3 nightclubs (HOD, Pontoon and Martini).So if I visist PP this is all I need to visit? There is no point to look elsewhere?

Thats simple enough.

Any suggestions on a cheap hotel that is girl friendly and secure in this area?

Thanks

[Bubba999]

Also I like big boobs! So I would ideally prefer cute girls with nice boobs also is a big plus!

Cambodia, Bangkok or Pattaya best choice?

Off course I will get my big boob Euro girls in Germany or some place so Thailand is more for the cute girl factor. For the womenly model type I'll stick with Europe.I agree with other posters and would think Bangkok is best for what you want. Lots of great young girls in massage places that are able to be taken out as well as done in house. Cambodia is more conservative and the numbers of girls is much lower. At the end of the day if you have a particular desire then paying an extra $20 to have it is not much. And time is money. You would find what you wanted in Bangkok much faster than In Cambodia.

[Super Cum 500]

Interesting, well that sure saves an extra trip to Cambodia from Thailand I guess? No point travelling to America to buy a big mac when I can get one pretty similar at home eh. So why does anyone bother with Cambodia at all? If girls are not different to LOS and LOS is better country or more exciting / interesting to visit? Some just go to Cambodia for cheapness?

Anyways suprised at the lack of interest in Pattaya, does it not have more girls? Most here saying BKK is the better choice, is that just for lookers? I think girls are more expensive in Bangkok though? And to find freelancer one most go to expensive discos in random areas of town? Pattaya its all walking street etc. All walking distance, can't get lost really. When I had been few days before in BKK, apart from Nana and soi cowboy, I found the discos I went to via taxi ended up all over the city and no clue where I was at all. Pretty dodgy actually. Though one can also pick up freelancers outside Nana but they are usually not so pretty / safe as disco freelancers?

[GentleBoner]

Interesting, well that sure saves an extra trip to Cambodia from Thailand I guess? No point travelling to America to buy a big mac when I can get one pretty similar at home eh. So why does anyone bother with Cambodia at all? If girls are not different to LOS and LOS is better country or more exciting / interesting to visit? Some just go to Cambodia for cheapness?

Anyways suprised at the lack of interest in Pattaya, does it not have more girls? Most here saying BKK is the better choice, is that just for lookers? I think girls are more expensive in Bangkok though? And to find freelancer one most go to expensive discos in random areas of town? Pattaya its all walking street etc. All walking distance, can't get lost really. When I had been few days before in BKK, apart from Nana and soi cowboy, I found the discos I went to via taxi ended up all over the city and no clue where I was at all. Pretty dodgy actually. Though one can also pick up freelancers outside Nana but they are usually not so pretty / safe as disco freelancers?

People mostly visit Phnom Penh on their way to Angkor Wat. Also for visa runs from Thailand. Not worth going to just for girls.

Some people really prefer Pattaya and enjoy it more than Bangkok. There are definitely more girls there. But for me it's just a little too mercenary.

In Bangkok there are a fair amount of freelance disco places within walking distance of Nana and Cowboy. Climax, Nana Liquid, Biergarten, Bangkok Beat, Insomnia, Thermae, etc. You don't need a taxi for any of those places.

[Mr Enternational]

I arrived in PP on the 22nd at 4pm from Bangkok. The first night I stayed at the Flamingo Hotel. It was $25 with a free airport pick up. I had done an e-visa. When I got off the plane and entered the immigration area there were many people in the lines to get the visa on arrival. So for me there was no wait at all because I already had the visa. But when I got outside and met the driver I had to wait because he was waiting for 2 more people who must have had to get the visa on arrival. It took them an extra 25 or 30 minutes to come out. I spent the time getting a SIM card from Smart. It was $1 for the SIM and I bought an extra $5 credit. It only costs 7 cents/minute to call most countries. When I left the country I still had $4.35 on the card despite having made several international calls. The Smart guy ended up waiving the $1 for the SIM because he could not find any change from any other vendor in the airport. My lesson from this was to make sure I kept plenty of $1 bills on me.

The Flamingo Hotel was fine for me. The in-room wifi was much faster than what we have in my apartment building in Pattaya. I was able to download many torrents in a couple of hours that sometimes take me days here in Thailand.

After reading CowboyBebop2011's report on the Blue Tongue Hotel I wanted to stay there as well. My first stop was to go over there and made a reservation for a superior room at $35. The morning of the 23rd I went to Siem Reap and came back on the 25th and stayed at the Blue Tongue for one night. They upgraded me free to a deluxe room which is priced at $38. I was in room 401. It had a big window with a view of Pontoon and the Sports Bars.

It was a great room, but there were two things I did not like about it. It advertises itself with the best showers in SEA. I guess that is because it has the rain shower head, the same type I have in my house back in the States. However, I like a very hot shower and the water was not as hot as I am used to. Maybe it is because they have a central water heating system and do not have the individual shower water heaters that you find most places in Asia. The next day before I left the water was a little hotter than the night before though. The other thing I did not like was that the rooms have blinds and no curtains. In this case having a big window was actually a hinderance. As soon as the sun came up the room was lit up like a Christmas tree. It did not help at all that I had fallen asleep right before dawn with my HOD pickup. (HenryV's report from last year says they emailed telling him no guests allowed. Maybe they had a change of heart since then to get more business.)

Going back to the airport I took a tuk-tuk. I had arranged for him to take me to the the Genocide Museum at 11am, wait there for me, take me back to the hotel to eat and pick up my things, and take me to the airport at 3pm for $13.

[Mr Enternational]

People mostly visit Phnom Penh on their way to Angkor Wat. Also for visa runs from Thailand. Not worth going to just for girls.I second that GB. The way I worked it was I arrived in the late afternoon and went to the club at night. The next morning I took the bus to SR. When I came back a couple of days later the bus got me to PP at 1pm. I checked into the hotel and had the same tuk tuk who brought me from the bus station take me to the Killing Fields. I came back and took a nap. I got up and had a tuk tuk take me to all of the mongering places around the city (I missed out on the brothels though unfortunately). The next morning I went to the Genocide Museum. After that I went to the airport. I don't know what I would have done in PP during the daytime had there not been those couple of sites to see. I really enjoyed the girls and I found them to have great attitudes (despite them not warranting any "double-takes" as chicks in Thailand make me do all day every day) and I would love to hit Heart and Martini again. But being bored out of my mind in the daytime I could not take.
Some people really prefer Pattaya and enjoy it more than Bangkok. There are definitely more girls there. But for me it's just a little too mercenary.P.S. The girls in the Pattaya discos are not at all mercenary. (I don't do the bars and gogos - maybe that is the case there.) I went to Lucifer last night and decided to go with the girl who "chose me." We came back to my place and the first thing she said was, "Let's talk business. How much..." I cut her off right there. The disco girls next to never mention money. And to wait until getting home to do it was the first that I had experienced. I told her to let's just have a good time and not talk about money. From there it was on. She set her alarm for 8:30 because she had to go home and change clothes to be at work at 10. She works in accounting at some condos in Jomtien Beach. We ended up not getting up until 9:30 and I had to go to the ATM to get her 1000 baht and take her directly to work wearing her club clothes. I had to let her off my bike at a spot where the people she works with would not see. After I dropped her off she sent me a text saying, "I like your toys and you darling."

[GentleBoner]

P.S. The girls in the Pattaya discos are not at all mercenary. (I don't do the bars and gogos - maybe that is the case there.) I went to Lucifer last night and decided to go with the girl who "chose me." We came back to my place and the first thing she said was, "Let's talk business. How much." I cut her off right there. The disco girls next to never mention money. And to wait until getting home to do it was the first that I had experienced. I told her to let's just have a good time and not talk about money. From there it was on. She set her alarm for 8:30 because she had to go home and change clothes to be at work at 10. She works in accounting at some condos in Jomtien Beach. We ended up not getting up until 9:30 and I had to go to the ATM to get her 1000 baht and take her directly to work wearing her club clothes. I had to let her off my bike at a spot where the people she works with would not see. After I dropped her off she sent me a text saying, "I like your toys and you darling."

Yeah agreed. I've been to Pattaya 5 times, and have only met 3 girls I really liked. They were all from discos.

The gogos are good to visit for fun, but the girls have attitude and aren't worth taking home. Pattaya can bring out the worst in people.

[Super Cum 500]

People mostly visit Phnom Penh on their way to Angkor what. Also for visa runs from Thailand. Not worth going to just for girls.

Some people really prefer Pattaya and enjoy it more than Bangkok. There are definitely more girls there. But for me it's just a little too mercenary.

In Bangkok there are a fair amount of freelance disco places within walking distance of Nana and Cowboy. Climax, Nana Liquid, Biergarten, Bangkok Beat, Insomnia, Thermae, etc. You don't need a taxi for any of those places.Ok thanks I will google these. And most are free entry?

[GentleBoner]

Ok thanks I will google these. And most are free entry?Yes, except for Climax

[SailSingapore]

Yes, except for ClimaxHi Senior Member : I am making a quick dash to PP in the 1st week of May : what is the best quality girl-friendly hotel as near as possible to the Riverfront Bar area Sir?

I see that Bougainvillier Hotel is very popular but it tends to get hot due to inadequate aircon & also no elevator.

The Lux Hotel has also been suggested by my forum friends.

Any inputs Sir? Thanks so much

[Phil Istine]

Best location and best value is the amari watergate in st 136 next to luxe. For the front rooms with balcony, a little noisy but less than $30 excellent value.

Inside rooms without a window only $18.

Safe and clean rooms.

[Phil Istine]

Cambodia is a conservative society and the bars reflect this.

But there are many beautiful girls and one must ask them about the ground rules early on.

I have been here a long time and I always ask the girls if they like sex-most don't.

However some are lying to cover for their culture.

Try the bars on st 110, there are five I think and there are keen girls there, st 118 has similar bars.

Generally khmer girls don't like blow jobs, as many girls didn't in Thailand a generation ago.

Khmer girls all want to get married and have kids, they are not professionals like the thai.

This is the appeal for many of us.

Khmers are loving and loyal.

[SailSingapore]

Best location and best value is the amari watergate in st 136 next to luxe. For the front rooms with balcony, a little noisy but less than $30 excellent value.

Inside rooms without a window only $18.

Safe and clean rooms.I just love the name! Memories of Tricky Dick.

Thanks so much Sir P. I.

[D Cups]

Hi Senior Member : I am making a quick dash to PP in the 1st week of May : what is the best quality girl-friendly hotel as near as possible to the Riverfront Bar area Sir?Well I don't know about quality (no elevator) but the other services, location and price was right for a place called BJ's House. Met a Khmer w / big boobs at a nearby bar and spent two days with her, most of it with my dick in her mouth or pussy. She gave a great massage, too. Not a looker but quite a lover. Got the room dirt cheap through agodadotcom.

[Super Cum 500]

Is this place as safe as Bangkok etc. NO better no worse in terms of crime, petty theft or other serious / minor crimes?

[Super Cum 500]

I agree with other posters and would think Bangkok is best for what you want. Lots of great young girls in massage places that are able to be taken out as well as done in house. .So if one is specifically looking for great young women which massage places, clubs, gogos etc would one suggest to look in?

Cheers

[Gone Around]

I'll be in Phnom Penh for about 10 days or so later this year. For the upcoming trip, I'd prefer to have an option of one or a couple of longer term gals to be with me.

Any suggestions on how to arrange this? My daytime is in meeting, but I'd like companionship for evenings and touring the countryside.

Thank you for your thoughts and tips.

[AussieGuy100]

I'll be in Phnom Penh for about 10 days or so later this year. For the upcoming trip, I'd prefer to have an option of one or a couple of longer term gals to be with me.

Any suggestions on how to arrange this? My daytime is in meeting, but I'd like companionship for evenings and touring the countryside.

Thank you for your thoughts and tips.Just go to any of the bars in streets 104, 108, 118, and 136.

Chat to some of the girls (most of them are very friendly and affectionate). Ask early on if she will bar-fine, to avoid any later disappointment. Choose a girl that you get on with and who can speak a reasonable amount of English. Spend a night or two with her. If you get on with each other well, invite her on one of your side trips. She will be delighted and usually accept quickly. You will have to pay the bar-fine for the number of days you are away with her plus anything from $25-50 per day for her company 24 hours a day, depending on how generous you feel. Plus accommodation and meals of course.

But it's a bargain for what you get. A constant companion day and night, an interpreter, a shopping bargainer, and a friend.

Just don't make any promises you don't intend to keep regarding supporting her after you've left or anything else.

You'll have a great time.

[Hunt Now]

I'm just wondering what the deal is here. I grab the one I want on the way in and tell the rest (nicely) to go away, but I see other guys with crowds of them around them. And sometimes they still crowd around me a bit.

I guess some guys enjoy it? But, it does seem these places are meant for guys who are going to sit down and buy multiple girls lady drinks and not focus on one girl. And I'm guessing the more drinks you buy, the more hovering girls you will get staring at you. Not my thing and easy enough to get rid of them, but I'm just wondering.

Very different from Thailand where I've lived for the last 3. 5 years.

I also wonder what the going rate for the hot ones in these bars is? I had one (and not one of the hottest) not want to budge down from $40 ST last night; I didn't indulge and instead banged a hotter one for $20 from pontoon. Not a cc. In Pattaya I almost exclusively bang go go chicks st which is much more expensive. But, you know what you're getting before you get home.

[Gone Around]

@AussieGuy100, Thank you for the simple suggestions. I'll keep these in mind.

So it's really like my South Korea and other Asian country days. Find someone I get along with naturally and ask them out for a short trip and then longer if it works out. Great.

I'm not keen on making promises of any kind that I don't intend to or can't keep. It's less painful all around.

I had been thinking of staying in one of the NGO places, but I think a business hotel would be better since I'd like to have a gal along. Any solid suggestions for GF business or non-skanky hotels with reasonably priced, quality meals nearby?

I don't mind spending money given I get solid value out of it.

Ciao!

[Hunt Now]

104th. Hotties mostly at AirForce.

136th. Club blu. 69 and 136 each have a few.

51st. Walkabout seems to have a few acceptable ones most of the time.

Sharkys. Pretty thin right now.

Pontoon. Probably the best place right now.

Heart. Pretty good as always.

Martinis. Thin on talent at the moment.

Of course, everything is subjective. But by hot I mean 18-23, thin with an attractive face.

I also went to Soul massage and Paris and they both had a good selection.

I haven't tried Sakuri massage but want to.

BTW. For people thinking of coming in mid April any year be aware that supposedly most of the girls go home for Cambodian new years.

[GentleBoner]

Martini: Pretty weak. About 30 girls, but most of them real hags. Maybe 3 or 4 desirables.

Heart: Suffering. Mostly empty every night. A gay khmer crowd has moved in on the weekend.

Sharky's: Empty. Almost no girls here.

Pontoon: Good crowd. Mostly full from 1-3AM. It seems the girls have deserted Heart and moved to here. Dark and spacious, so can be difficult to identify the cute girls.

[Apeman 28]

Last night I had a couple of beers is Walkabout and I have never seen so many ugly girls in one spot, I would not fuck them even if they paid me. The place seems to attracts desperates. Had a quick beer in Sharkys about 9 and it had 1 girl. Went to Black cat and checked out the birds and I was to sober to take any interest. Went up the road to Plan B (near Heart of Darkness) and finally settled on a bird who takes it up the clacker. She would not budge from $25 for ST (she first asked $35 and I laughed) despite my counter others of 15/20, so the sake of $5 the deal was signed. Bar fine was $7. Off to Shianoukville, hopefully to find some talent down there.

[Mr Enternational]

First of all everything I pictured from reading reports was much different in reality. Somehow I had the idea that Walkabout was an area or free range park or whatnot. It is in fact just a corner bar that serves food. I got my first Cambo girl from here for ST. I ate and was getting ready to leave the bar and she called me over. Small talk. We went outside. I'm not much for small talk so I asked how much. She said $15. I tried my damnedest to get it for $10 but that was not happening. The service was excellent. When we finished I gave her an additional $2 to show me where Heart of Darkness was. I did not know it was in such close proximity to Flamingo Hotel (1 block or less). For reference, Walkabout, Heart of Darkness, and Pontoon are all less than a 2 minute walk from Flamingo and Blue Tongue.

[Joe Looking]

I'm just wondering what the deal is here. I grab the one I want on the way in and tell the rest (nicely) to go away, but I see other guys with crowds of them around them. And sometimes they still crowd around me a bit.

I guess some guys enjoy it? But, it does seem these places are meant for guys who are going to sit down and buy multiple girls lady drinks and not focus on one girl. And I'm guessing the more drinks you buy, the more hovering girls you will get staring at you. Not my thing and easy enough to get rid of them, but I'm just wondering.

Very different from Thailand where I've lived for the last 3. 5 years.

I also wonder what the going rate for the hot ones in these bars is? I had one (and not one of the hottest) not want to budge down from $40 ST last night; I didn't indulge and instead banged a hotter one for $20 from pontoon. Not a cc. In Pattaya I almost exclusively bang go go chicks st which is much more expensive. But, you know what you're getting before you get home.Most of them do not see it as rude to shoo the stragglers off once you have found the one or two you are interested in. I even found that if you are not into one of the ones who approaches you, it is usually okay to ask one of the approachers about another one of the girls and ask her to bring that one over. Yes, being flashy with the lady drinks does cause more to flock which is why you should set a firm limit in your mind about how many to buy before going in. I've also noticed that some have a bad habit of trying to get you to buy drinks for their "friends" so be wary and firm.

I also had the $40 problem at the Horny Bar, which was strange given the dearth of customers. It was made worse by the fact that the girl admitted to not liking sex and said that she would stay the night but we could only fuck once. As soon as she said that I thought to myself that if I am going to pay that much for a takeaway girl I'll go to Cyrcee where I will at least find once who will leave me feeling like I got my money's worth.

I remember another member posting that even at the bars he is able to get them down to the normal rates so perhaps he will share the secret. Without knowing how to get them down to something reasonable, I tried pretty hard with the girl, I would say for ST you are better off getting a freelancer.