Phnom Penh

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[Sir Lancelot]

A minibus picked me up at 7. 45am and the journey from Siem Reap down to Phnom Penh took six hours.

Despite the fact I'd only fucked two girls in Siem Reap, it had been a good diversion. Angkor what is a must-see for any self-respecting tourist so the small girlie scene in Siem Reap is an added bonus. The prices are high but you'd expect that in a tourist town. Top Town and Sok San both delivered me cute girls but there were also freelance options available for far less. I'd seen three pretty street-walkers near the junction of Pub Street and Sivatha Road and could have slept with the 'Lady in Red' for as little as $20 for short-time or $30-40 for long-time.

Halfway down to Phnom Penh we stopped for refreshments and I looked at my photos. I'd been in Cambodia for five days but had only fucked Vietnamese girls so far! My next girl had to be a beautiful dark-skinned Cambodian.

We arrived in Phnom Penh mid-afternoon. It's a big city that lacks charm until you get to the riverside, where the scruffy shacks are replaced by elegant French colonial buildings and golden temples rise majestically in to the cloudless sky. I was excited to be in Phnom Penh. I chose to stay at BLUE TONGUE as it receives good reports and is right next to Walkabout, a 24 hour bar where freelancers hang out. It's also next to Pontoon and Heart of Darkness nightclubs. I checked in and my 'standard double' on the top floor cost $35 a night. It was clean and spacious with cable TV, a nice bathroom and a comfortable queen-sized bed. 'Superior rooms' with balconies are also available.

After I unpacked I decided to check out WALKABOUT. It's located on the corner of the same block as Blue Tongue so it took ten seconds to walk there! At 4pm there were about 25 girls, probably aged between 25 and 35. A dozen ex-pats were having a leisurely beer. It reminded me of Manila Bay Café in Philippines on a sleepy afternoon. I bought myself an Angkor beer and sat on a stool overlooking the pool table.

There were a number of girls that were fuckable but only one I would classify as pretty. She was wearing a yellow dress and had her hair tied back but was sitting with an Australian man near the entrance. A girl sat nearby was perhaps the youngest in the bar and was wearing a tight dress that showed off her ample curves. Facially she wasn't my type though. Sitting behind me at stools along the bar were three older girls and one of them was quite foxy. She saw me looking and smiled. There was a relaxed atmosphere and the girls didn't pressure me to buy them drinks. No girls came over and tried to start a conversation, they just sat on their stools waiting.

I finished my beer and stood up to leave. As I walked towards the exit the pretty girl in the yellow dress intercepted me. She held my arm, leaned towards me and whispered 'I love you'. She was with a customer so I didn't linger but she had an 8/10 face and a confidence that suggested good sex. She was a good option for another time perhaps.

Rue Pasteur (Street 51) is a busy area where working girls alternate between Walkabout, Heart of Darkness and Pontoon, or linger in front of Sorya Golden Mall (not to be confused with the more upscale Sorya Mall nearby). Opposite Heart of Darkness are a number of small restaurants, so I sat outside one and ordered myself food. I had a good view of the street. Children walked from place to place selling chewing gum or bracelets and I saw lots of sexy girls walk past wearing figure-hugging dresses. I could tell by the way their eyes darted around that they were freelancers looking for custom. I laughed at the irony when Madonna's 'Like A Virgin' started playing at the bar next door. The food was cheap and tasty and I enjoyed relaxing over a few beers while absorbing the sexy pick-up atmosphere. I was going to enjoy my time in Phnom Penh.

On the table next to me were two Cambodian girls. They smiled over and invited me to join them at their table. One was mid 30s and very pretty, who 10 years ago was probably one of the top girls in Phnom Penh. She seemed to be trying to matchmake me with her 20 year-old friend, a 6/10 with a sexy body. I wasn't interested but she was the type of girl I'd jump at the chance of bedding if I was back in England! I bought us all a pitcher of beer and enjoyed chatting with them both. At one point their friend, a gay guy with spiky hair, came over and told me 'I love you'. He was the second complete stranger who had declared their love to me today. It must be my new aftershave.

After a long day of travel I felt tired, so went to bed. I had three nights in Phnom Penh and was aiming for six girls.

After a leisurely breakfast I went for a wander around Phnom Penh. I enjoyed walking around a spectacular market called Phsar Thmei. It's a maze of alleyways surrounding a large domed building. One quarter is dedicated to food but I decided against the fried spiders, cockroaches and locusts.

It was a hot afternoon so I cooled down by visiting the air-conditioned Sorya Mall. I got served by a pretty young girl with a big smile. Sorya Mall has plenty of attractive shop attendants. If I was living in Phnom Penh I'd discretely slip a few my phone number and see what happens.

Before the trip I researched Phnom Penh thoroughly and amongst the bars, clubs and massage parlours, one venue stood out. It took me five minutes to walk to LE CYRCEE from Walkabout. It's located on a quiet stretch of Street 49 near the junction with Street 130. There were few signs of activity outside. The time was 7. 15pm when I entered. I was shown to a stool next to the bar and immediately six pretty young girls surrounded me and lavished me with attention. A few of the more confident ones bombarded me with questions (where you from? What your name?) while the shyer ones stroked my arms and held my hand. The standard of girls was quite impressive.

It was a small bar with an upstairs balcony. There were six customers including a silver haired man who was chatting with a beautiful curly-haired 9/10. There were 25 girls and those that weren't with a customer were sat near the entrance. When a customer entered, available girls would swarm around them like bees around honey. I spotted a very pretty girl sat opposite the bar who was exactly my type. She was young with straight, jet-black hair but as I was admiring her, another customer walked in and she went to sit alongside him.

I had six girls surrounding me. I was tempted by a sweet girl with braces on her teeth who just stared shyly at me and didn't speak a word. But then I remembered that threesomes are available in Cyrcee. The two girls stood to my right were both cute and seemed to be good friends given the way they huddled up to each other. I offered them each a drink and the other girls dispersed.

The girls had the kind of fresh-faced innocence I like. Panha had beautiful dark skin and mesmerizing eyes while her friend Ada had a curvy body and was Vietnamese. Both girls were 21 years old and cute rather than sexy. In other words they were the type of girls I like. If I could organize a threesome with these young cuties, I'd be extremely happy. In previous trips to Asia I've had five threesomes but never with girls this young.

I bought them a cocktail each and we chatted. They were sweet girls and not at all commercial (I'm not a fan of girls talking dirty or grabbing my crotch!). I decided to try my luck. 'I pay bar-fine, two together, okay? ' I asked and they nodded eagerly. I knew that they would ask for $25 so I told them I would give them $20 each and 'a tip if you make me smile'. They laughed and accepted. I paid their bar-fines ($5 per girl) and settled my drinks bill.

The girls took a hand each and led me to a hotel over the road. A room was $5 for an hour, considerably cheaper than the short-time rooms in Siem Reap! We climbed to the fourth floor and a small, windowless room with two hard single beds. It wasn't luxurious but it did have air-con and a shower so was perfectly adequate.

We showered together. Panha was dark-skinned with small tits while Ada was curvier with enticingly firm see-cup breasts. I dried myself and lay on the bed nearest the air-con with the girls either side of me. I enjoyed leaning to my right and kissing Panha and then the other side and kissing Ada. Panha was shyer and kissed with her mouth closed but Ada was a great kisser and teased me by flicking her tongue in to my mouth. Inevitably this got me hard. The girls seemed to find this fascinating. They studied my dick closely and were clearly having a conversation about it in Cambodian before they giggled to each other.

Ada sucked me first, giving me a nice uncovered blowjob as Panha licked my nipples and kissed my chest. I lay back in ecstasy. I love the sense of anticipation that precedes a threesome. I was about to fuck two pretty young Cambodian girls.

I wanted to fuck Panha first. I put a condom on and slid in to her tight pussy. At first I grinded slowly in to her as Ada positioned herself behind me and tickled my balls, then I leaned upright and fucked Panha harder as kissed Ada over my shoulder. Sometimes threesomes are just a case of fucking one girl after another but these girls made an effort. I lay on my back and it was a great sight seeing a pretty girl like Panha riding me. She was the shyer of the two and closed her eyes tightly as she bounced up and down on me. Her nipples were erect. Ada leaned across me and let me suck her nipples before we resumed french-kissing.

I changed girls. Ada was more experienced and had the kind of body I like. I enjoyed giving her a good pounding in mish before lying back and inviting her to ride me. She was noisier than Panha, groaning loudly as she skilfully rocked her hips on mine and I grasped those lovely tits of hers. Panha lay next to me and stroked my chest as I shot my load. I pulled their warm bodies close as I got my breath back.

Although it wasn't a proper porn-style threesome with the girls kissing or going down on each other, it was a really enjoyable threesome with two pretty young girls. We showered together and I gave them a decent tip each which they were delighted with. They were lovely girls and eager to please, so deserved it. I waved them goodbye on the street and watched as they tottered on their high heels back towards the bar.

I was extremely impressed by Le Cyrcee. A girl costs $20 for an hour and you must pay $5 for her bar-fine and $3 for a mandatory lady-drink. That's just $28 for a girl which is great value considering the young girls available and the fact that threesomes are also on the menu. Incidentally, it's not compulsory you take your girl (s) to the short-time hotel over the road, you can use your hotel if you like and long-time is also available for just $40. In other words, Cyrcee has plenty of great girls who are available for cheap prices. What more could you want?

In my opinion Cyrcee is another of Asia's top sex venues, along with the likes of Manila Bay Café, Fields Avenue, Hotel Classic, Nataree, Nana Plaza, the X-houses of Sanur and the brothels of Surabaya. Later in the trip I'd be going to another place high on the list, Walking Street in Pattaya.

NOTE: this is a continuation on my diary from the Bangkok and Siem Reap threads.

[FLT09]

I am heading back to Vietnam at the end of the month and will be going into Cambodia. I plan to go there for 3-4 days. I have been reading through the forums but it is hard to decipher a lot of the information because I know absolutely nothing about the place. I was planning on going to Phnom Penh and doing my fair share of mongering.

I was hoping to get some tips or recommendations on the best places to go while I am there, looking for FS. The trip will be primarily made up of mongering so location and price is not an issue while there. I will continue to read through the forums but any advice would greatly be appreciated and I will definitely return the favor if you ever head over to Korea.

[Sir Lancelot]

After my threesome last night I wanted to keep the momentum going with two more girls today. I planned to visit the massage parlour at Paris Hotel early evening and the hostess bars near the river at night. I spent most of the afternoon on the internet before grabbing an early dinner at my hotel.

At 7pm I set off on foot for HOTEL PARIS. It took thirty minutes to find as the directions I had were poor. To get there go to Phsar Thmei market and take the busy Kampuchea Road which leads west. Online someone said that Hotel Paris is 'approximately 400 meters' down this road but I couldn't find it. I asked several tuk-tuk drivers and eventually the oldest one pointed me in the right direction. Hotel Paris is actually about 1 kilometre from the market, located on the right shortly after the large junction with street 169. It's a busy junction with large billboards.

My first impressions of Hotel Paris weren't favourable. It looked small and shabby from the outside and it was easy to see why most tuk-tuk drivers didn't know where it was. Inside a young man on reception was watching football on TV as I walked past and up the stairs. He didn't once look up. On the 1st floor is a snooker hall but it was the 2nd floor that I wanted. At the top of the stairs I heard the chatter of girls that told me I was in the right place. I turned right and entered a room in which lots of girls were sitting on chairs. It couldn't be described as a fishbowl because there was no glass window but it was the same kind of setup. I was ushered to sit on a chair in front and pick my girl.

There were 22 girls, all of whom were wearing matching pink uniforms. All of the girls were young but the selection was average. The person who described this place as 'full of 9/10s' online was obviously a giddy first-timer! Although I didn't see any outstanding candidates, there were plenty of sweet girl-next-door types. I didn't intend wasting a journey so which girl would it be? Several caught my eye but I opted for a girl in the middle of the front row because she smiled warmly whenever I looked at her. The girls either side had to elbow her to tell her she'd been picked. She looked shocked before standing up uncertainly and walking to my side.

At Hotel Paris you get a massage and then extras are negotiated afterwards between you and your girl. I assumed I'd have to pay for the massage upfront at the small cashier desk but instead the girl was handed a ticket before taking my hand and leading me to the stairs. We passed a pretty girl sat on the steps. She was wearing the same pink outfit and was a 9/10 with long curly hair and quite a hispanic face. It's amazing how often you see a stunner shortly after you've already made your choice. We climbed two flights of stairs and walked down a corridor to a large double room. An air-con unit rumbled away in the corner without cooling the air very much. The girls name was Poy and she was 26. She didn't speak much English but was a sweet girl with a warm nature.

I showered and lay on the bed, a towel wrapped around my waist. Poy remained in her pink dress as she massaged me. It wasn't the kind of token effort you sometimes get in places like this, she had skilled hands. After a while she asked me to turn over and continued her work. For 25 minutes I felt completely relaxed. Occasionally her hands accidentally brushed against my groin area and when she was massaging my thighs, I felt myself getting hard. She must have noticed the bulge that had magically appeared under the towel but she didn't say anything.

Normally when I visit a massage parlour, sex is very clearly on the menu, I don't often visit places where extras have to be negotiated afterwards. I wondered what was supposed to happen next. Would she instigate the main event or did I have to take the initiative?

As I was pondering this, she said 'finish'. She sat up and looked at me for a few moments with a shy smile, as if she was inviting me to say something. It occurred to me that maybe she was inexperienced and hadn't worked at Hotel Paris for long. Or perhaps she was shy because I was a foreigner? I gestured for her to lie next to me and she snuggled her warm body against mine.

I held her in my arms as she stroked my chest. Her hand worked its way lower and she loosened my towel before caressing my dick. After a minute she leaned up and asked 'boom boom? ' I nodded and she stood up and went for a shower. When she returned she was naked. She had lovely smooth brown skin and although her tits were small, her nipples were large. She turned the bedroom light off and lay next to me.

Whenever I visit a massage parlour I take my own condom as the ones in Asia can be small. She took it out of its wrapper and tried to roll it on to me but it didn't go on properly. She tried again without success. It was dark so I stood up and walked to the bathroom and switched the light on. She'd tried to put it on the wrong way.

There is nothing like a condom malfunction to make me lose wood. By the time I had rolled it on and lay back on the bed, I wasn't hard. We kissed and she caressed me but once a condom is on, I find it impossible to get hard again. I took it off and we continued kissing but frustratingly nothing was happening. I fingered her pussy but still nothing. A few minutes earlier my dick was rock hard but now because of the condom mishap, I couldn't get it up. Sex must have been so much easier before condoms!

We tried in vain for fifteen minutes before she apologetically told me 'the hour is up'. My heart sank. I couldn't go to a massage parlour and walk away without a fuck. That's the equivalent of not being able to score in brothel!

Poy looked guilty as if it was her fault so I gave her a hug. She had tried her best and the condom problems weren't her fault. Well, actually they were but I didn't blame her. I held her close and we chatted. She was very cute and giggly and suddenly, bizarrely, I felt myself getting hard. When I was trying to get hard nothing happened, but when I relaxed things magically came to life. She noticed and kissed me on the lips while stroking me. Soon I was ready for action.

As expected Hotel Paris's condom was very tight. She spread her legs and I eased in to her as she softly gasped. I fucked her slowly and we kissed. After a few minutes I leaned upright and she rested her ankles on my shoulders as I fucked her harder. Because of the poor air-con I soon got a sweat on, so I lay back and she rode me. She grinded her hips and locked her eyes on mine sexily. I love being rode by cute Asian girls. She had small tits but her nipples were big, so I leaned up and gave them both a suck as she continued thrusting her hips at mine. The condom was uncomfortably tight so I took it off and she finished me with a hand-job.

We got changed and I wondered how much to pay her. My research suggested that $30 is fair, plus a tip for good service. Poy had given an excellent massage and despite the condom problems, had given me 100. We'the also gone well in to the second hour so I figured that $40 would be a fair price. I handed over four crisp notes and she seemed happy enough.

I ate at one of the small restaurants opposite Heart of Darkness. This area has lots of freelancers. In an hour I saw three great girls walk past from my kerb-side vantage point. Cambodians have curvier bodies than their Thai neighbours, great news for a boob lover like me. I felt happily buzzed after a few beers and seeing pretty girls walk past had got me in the mood for more action. Initially I planned to go to the hostess bars near the river but I wasn't in the mood. I didn't have the energy to go from bar to bar, answering the same questions over and over again. You need to be in the right frame of mind to go on bar-crawls. I would visit them tomorrow night instead.

I decided that I'd find a girl in a nightclub instead. It's an easy way to get action as you don't have to spend time getting to know a girl or splashing out on lady-drinks, you just see a girl you like and go for it. Pontoon is the most popular but I decided to go to Heart of Darkness for old time sake. I visited it four years ago with a friend who didn't approve of pay-for-play, so I was on my best behaviour. Even so, I got approached by several cuties including one foxy girl who came up for air after kissing me and showed me a message on her phone. It said 'you got the money, I got the honey'.

I entered HEART OF DARKNESS just after midnight. It was free to enter. It's a small nightclub which makes it ideal for scouting for freelancers. On my last visit the available girls stood between the bar and the dance floor on the right but I didn't see any likely candidates. I sat on a stool overlooking the dance floor instead. There were 20 people dancing including two young white men I presumed to be backpackers. Most people dancing were Cambodian. The tricky part of picking up girls in nightclubs is knowing which are good girls and which are looking to hook up. It's not recommended to try and pull a hottie as her boyfriend watches! Two young Cambodian girls were dancing in front of me, completely oblivious to the attention they were getting from Cambodian guys. They were more interested in the young backpackers.

By 12. 45am the place was starting to fill up but there weren't many obvious freelancers so I decided to go to Pontoon. As I was walking out I saw several girls near the bar, so I deliberately stood next to them to take the final swigs from my bottle of beer. Within seconds I felt a tap on my shoulder. Bingo. 'Where you from? ' asked a girl in a sexy black dress. She was wearing pink lipstick and her low-cut top revealed a sizeable pair of tits. We exchanged small-talk before she led me to a dark corner. She was a great kisser with big soft lips and she loved to tease with her tongue. My cock voted yes.

It was 1am and although I wanted to visit Pontoon, I was happy with the girl. So far on this trip I'd taken lots of slim girls but this girl had plenty of curves. We agreed on a price of $25 for short-time. Before leaving I went to the toilet. I was glad I did as my face was covered in pink lipstick. A cool Cambodian guy with gelled hair found this very funny. It took two minutes to walk back to my hotel but on the pavement outside she became flustered. 'I no have I'd card' she told me, 'we go guest-house? ' I didn't like the idea so gave her a dollar for her troubles and we parted company.

Not to worry, PONTOON was just a block away. It was free to enter and I was immediately impressed. There was a swish chill-out bar as soon as I walked in and a large club to the right. The time was 1. 30am and the dance floor was crowded with people dancing to the pumping music. Dozens of Cambodian girls stood on the perimeter of the dance floor, always a good sign. I bought myself a beer (for the steep price of $3. 50) and a girl recognised me at the bar. It was the young girl I shared a beer with on my first night in Phnom Penh. She and her friend were latched on to two middle-aged men.

I looked for somewhere to sit. In nightclubs location is everything. You need to see and be seen. Between the bar and the dance floor is usually the prime spot but all of the stools were taken. I spotted an empty couch next to the dance floor so quickly claimed it. Immediately two young girls sat on the other end of the couch. At first I thought they were just on a night out but then they started glancing towards me and smiling. They leaned across to clink bottles and soon afterwards they had wriggled along the couch and we were chatting.

One was a 6/10 and was wearing the shortest skirt I have ever seen while the other was a 9/10 Vietnamese girl with light brown hair. Both girls were 21. I decided to test the water by asking what they do for jobs and their giggles gave it away. We'd only been chatting for a few minutes when one of them asked whether I'd like to have a threesome with them. They were both highly fuckable but were too businesslike and rushed. Even so, I was tempted. Then they ruined their chances by asking 'you buy us drinks? ' Had they been more relaxed I'd probably have taken them both.

I left Pontoon and remembered the pretty girl in yellow I'd seen in WALKABOUT on my first afternoon in Phnom Penh. She told me that she loved me and if she was there I would give her chance to prove it. Sadly the bar was almost empty with only five average looking girls and a sprinkling of customers. Although Walkabout is a 24 hour venue, it felt sleepy. In stark contrast Manila Bay Café would be teeming with girls at 2. 30am. I decided to go back to Heart of Darkness.

As I was walking down the street, dodging tuk-tuks parked on the pavement, a girl shouted 'hello'. It was Miss Pink Lipstick from Heart of Darkness. 'I have I'd' she said, 'follow me'. I was hypnotised by her large tits so I obediently followed. She walked me to a table outside Sorya Golden Mall where her friend was sat.

Her friend was a very obvious ladyboy. Amusingly she handed her I'd card over. I looked at the photo and the resemblance was minimal. One had straight black hair, the other had curly blond hair and their faces looked completely different. I doubted that the card would fool security at my hotel but I was desperate to get in to her knickers so was willing to try anything. We walked back to Blue Tongue and she handed over her friends I'd card to the security guard behind reception. He looked at it, then up to her, then at the card again before waving us through.

Incredibly it had worked. As we were in the lift though, something occurred to me. The girl had taken an I'd card from her ladyboy friend. Was I taking a ladyboy back to my room? She had fake tits which are usually a sign. In my room we got undressed and I watched with trepidation as she wriggled out of her black dress. She was all woman. Game on.

She gave me a spectacular blowjob. It was deep and slurpy and her pink lipstick got everywhere, adding to the sleaze. Some girls are submissive but this girl liked to take control. She jumped on to all fours and invited me to fuck her doggy-style. As I did so, she said 'harder, faster' and took my hand and placed it over her dangling tits. It was the kind of sleazy sex I wanted after all of the cute girls I'd been with so far. Variety is the spice of life.

Her blowjob skills were so good I took off the condom off and invited her to suck me again. It was a proper porn-style blow-job and when she heard me coming she leaned away and watched as I shot my load up to my neck.

She asked if she could stay all night. I was tempted but she had no I'd and I didn't think it was wise to fall asleep with an untraceable freelancer in my room. 'We fuck again in morning' she said and rubbed my cock. The thought of a 'blowjob alarm call' appealed but I decided against it. As she squeezed back in to her sexy black dress I realised that I didn't know her name. It was Jenny. She carefully applied some more pink lipstick and I gave her $25 plus a small tip before she left.

It had been a good day. I'd fucked a cutie from Paris Hotel and a sex-bomb from Heart of Darkness. Phnom Penh was delivering me the kind of variety and excitement I had hoped for.

[Simian]

It had been a good day. I'd fucked a cutie from Paris Hotel and a sex-bomb from Heart of Darkness. Phnom Penh was delivering me the kind of variety and excitement I had hoped for.Good to hear that things went well that day. Your first day back in PP in a while? Remember that some days in PP things go great, sometimes they don't go at all. YMMV big time in PP.

The "Heart" can have their music so loud that long term hearing loss is a distinct possibility. That factor has chased me out of there many a time. And it even chases out their regular clientele too and the place is sometimes empty because of it, even late at night. Until someone removes the monkey from the handle and the music is reduced to loud as to permanently deafening.

Kicking Jenny of the pink lipstick out before going to sleep was also a very good move. The way things are in PP these days, you would almost certainly have been ripped off. THe most porn-like the sex, the less trustworthy the provider, at least in PP.

You were also right to turn down the threesome offer. First, there is a law in Cambodia against debauchery. Two girls having sex with one man or even two girls in the same room while one is having sex with the man is considered debauchery and you can get into quite serious trouble for it. I am not saying that the pair you met were trying to set you up but it is a distinct possibility that they could be notifying the cops of your room number, spare key provided by the management gives them access and BINGO it is a nice payday for the PIGS. It would not be beyond the realms of possibility that the hotel porter could be the one to make the report but this would be unlikely at the Blue Tongue.

Again, my experience with a threesome in PP was a very long time ago, I think it must have been before the advent of the law on debauchery. I took two girls from Sophies (shut many years ago) back to a flea-pit hotel on the riverfront (there were none other in those days). Neither of the girls would interact and one wanted to be in the bathroom while I was doing the other. Despite their interaction in the bar earlier, the action is very different in the room.

Third, it is never easy to keep tabs on one girl, never mind two when it comes to security. And freelancers. No comeback at all.

The Paris hotel. Another very hit and miss place. The place is miles away from the river or Heart and certainly too far to walk in the rain, heat or dust. And the last time I went in a modop (motorbike taxi) , the dust almost did me in. I have had great experiences in the Paris and some of the worst too. Your pick was probably the best, someone who is not so experienced as to try to exploit you and try to hook you for even more money or someone who is so inexperienced as to be afraid to even shag you and gives you the worst hand job ever.

I hope that luck stays with you and that more great experiences come your way in good old Phnom Penh.

[D Cups]

It had been a good day. I'd fucked a cutie from Paris Hotel and a sex-bomb from Heart of Darkness. Phnom Penh was delivering me the kind of variety and excitement I had hoped for.Good one, Lance.

[Simian]

It took me five minutes to walk to LE CYRCEE from Walkabout. It's located on a quiet stretch of Street 49 near the junction with Street 130. There were few signs of activity outside. The time was 7. 15pm when I entered. I was shown to a stool next to the bar and immediately six pretty young girls surrounded me and lavished me with attention. A few of the more confident ones bombarded me with questions (where you from? What your name?) while the shyer ones stroked my arms and held my hand. The standard of girls was quite impressive.

It was a small bar with an upstairs balcony. There were six customers including a silver haired man who was chatting with a beautiful curly-haired 9/10. There were 25 girls and those that weren't with a customer were sat near the entrance. When a customer entered, available girls would swarm around them like bees around honey. I spotted a very pretty girl sat opposite the bar who was exactly my type. She was young with straight, jet-black hair but as I was admiring her, another customer walked in and she went to sit alongside him.

I had six girls surrounding me. I was tempted by a sweet girl with braces on her teeth who just stared shyly at me and didn't speak a word. But then I remembered that threesomes are available in Cyrcee. The two girls stood to my right were both cute and seemed to be good friends given the way they huddled up to each other. I offered them each a drink and the other girls dispersed.

The girls had the kind of fresh-faced innocence I like. Panha had beautiful dark skin and mesmerizing eyes while her friend Ada had a curvy body and was Vietnamese. Both girls were 21 years old and cute rather than sexy. In other words they were the type of girls I like. If I could organize a threesome with these young cuties, I'd be extremely happy. In previous trips to Asia I've had five threesomes but never with girls this young.

I bought them a cocktail each and we chatted. They were sweet girls and not at all commercial (I'm not a fan of girls talking dirty or grabbing my crotch!). I decided to try my luck. 'I pay bar-fine, two together, okay? ' I asked and they nodded eagerly. I knew that they would ask for $25 so I told them I would give them $20 each and 'a tip if you make me smile'. They laughed and accepted. I paid their bar-fines ($5 per girl) and settled my drinks bill.

The girls took a hand each and led me to a hotel over the road. A room was $5 for an hour, considerably cheaper than the short-time rooms in Siem Reap! We climbed to the fourth floor and a small, windowless room with two hard single beds. It wasn't luxurious but it did have air-con and a shower so was perfectly adequate.

We showered together. Panha was dark-skinned with small tits while Ada was curvier with enticingly firm see-cup breasts. I dried myself and lay on the bed nearest the air-con with the girls either side of me. I enjoyed leaning to my right and kissing Panha and then the other side and kissing Ada. Panha was shyer and kissed with her mouth closed but Ada was a great kisser and teased me by flicking her tongue in to my mouth. Inevitably this got me hard. The girls seemed to find this fascinating. They studied my dick closely and were clearly having a conversation about it in Cambodian before they giggled to each other.

Ada sucked me first, giving me a nice uncovered blowjob as Panha licked my nipples and kissed my chest. I lay back in ecstasy. I love the sense of anticipation that precedes a threesome. I was about to fuck two pretty young Cambodian girls.

I wanted to fuck Panha first. I put a condom on and slid in to her tight pussy. At first I grinded slowly in to her as Ada positioned herself behind me and tickled my balls, then I leaned upright and fucked Panha harder as kissed Ada over my shoulder. Sometimes threesomes are just a case of fucking one girl after another but these girls made an effort. I lay on my back and it was a great sight seeing a pretty girl like Panha riding me. She was the shyer of the two and closed her eyes tightly as she bounced up and down on me. Her nipples were erect. Ada leaned across me and let me suck her nipples before we resumed french-kissing.

I changed girls. Ada was more experienced and had the kind of body I like. I enjoyed giving her a good pounding in mish before lying back and inviting her to ride me. She was noisier than Panha, groaning loudly as she skilfully rocked her hips on mine and I grasped those lovely tits of hers. Panha lay next to me and stroked my chest as I shot my load. I pulled their warm bodies close as I got my breath back.

Although it wasn't a proper porn-style threesome with the girls kissing or going down on each other, it was a really enjoyable threesome with two pretty young girls. We showered together and I gave them a decent tip each which they were delighted with. They were lovely girls and eager to please, so deserved it. I waved them goodbye on the street and watched as they tottered on their high heels back towards the bar.

I was extremely impressed by Le Cyrcee. A girl costs $20 for an hour and you must pay $5 for her bar-fine and $3 for a mandatory lady-drink. That's just $28 for a girl which is great value considering the young girls available and the fact that threesomes are also on the menu. Incidentally, it's not compulsory you take your girl (s) to the short-time hotel over the road, you can use your hotel if you like and long-time is also available for just $40. In other words, Cyrcee has plenty of great girls who are available for cheap prices. What more could you want?

In my opinion Cyrcee is another of Asia's top sex venues, along with the likes of Manila Bay Café, Fields Avenue, Hotel Classic, Nataree, Nana Plaza, the X-houses of Sanur and the brothels of Surabaya. Later in the trip I'd be going to another place high on the list, Walking Street in Pattaya.

NOTE: this is a continuation on my diary from the Bangkok and Siem Reap threads.I agree with your assessment except to say that I find Le Cyrcee to be much better on average than Manila Bay Cafe because you are guaranteed a standard of care there. Manila Bay is freelancer territory and you don't know what you are taking home some of the time.

If I were to risk a threesome (given the laws on debauchery as I mentioned in my previous post) , I would source the girls from Le Cyrcee and take them to the hotel across the road because both establishments need your custom and are not going to do anything to jeopardize that. And at Le Cyrcee you are more likely to find a pair who will play along if not actually interact sexually.

The second last time I visited I got a gorgeous one. She looked Mexican with long wavy hair and a red dress. She also know how to make a man very happy and she had those nice curves that evolution has granted the Cambodian females. She must have been in demand but there was no rush, no hustle, no nonsense.

Even a not-so-good lay at Le Cyrcee is far better than the best that many waterfront bars can offer. As I said, you are guaranteed a standard and at a reasonable price with no bargaining. $28 short time, $40 ++ long time.

[Pinche Gringo]

Great report Sir Lancelot. I will have to try to find these two for myself when I am in PP next week.


A minibus picked me up at 7. 45am and the journey from Siem Reap down to Phnom Penh took six hours.

Despite the fact I'd only fucked two girls in Siem Reap, it had been a good diversion. Angkor what is a must-see for any self-respecting tourist so the small girlie scene in Siem Reap is an added bonus. The prices are high but you'd expect that in a tourist town. Top Town and Sok San both delivered me...

[Logos]

It was a blast to complete. They want to "heal" us.

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SexHelpPhnomPenh2

I suggest everybody spends a few minutes to complete and give his thoughts in the "comments" space. That'll show those busybody NGO wankers they should mind their own fucking business.

Here are some of their dumb biaised questions :

10. Why do you think men use prostitutes? (Pick one or more)

Loneliness

Lack of intimacy

Need for love

Desire for power

Other

If other what

13. How did you respond when you were touched?

Told her / him to stop

Ignored it

Encouraged them to continue

15. How often do you have had an erotic massage?

How often do you have had an erotic massage? Weekly

Monthly

Infrequently

Never

Why not "daily"?

22. Do you feel depressed or discouraged about some aspect of your sexual behavior?

23. Have you ever sought counseling / therapy for sexual behavior you did not like?

*25. Do you think that the NGO community should actively address prostitution?

Do you think that the NGO community should actively address prostitution? Yes

No

Don't know

If Yes, How could / should they do this?

*26. Do you think that the NGO community should address demand of prostitution with the expatriate men and tourists that use prostitutes?

Do you think that the NGO community should address demand of prostitution with the expatriate men and tourists that use prostitutes? Yes

No

Don't know

If Yes, How could / should they do this?

[BionicMan]

23. Have you ever sought counseling / therapy for sexual behavior you did not like?

*25. Do you think that the NGO community should actively address prostitution?

*26. Do you think that the NGO community should address demand of prostitution with the expatriate men and tourists that use prostitutes?23: next step is opening a counselling center self funded by the mongerers: ST and LT sessions, no BF.

25: next step is taking control of ISG so that the proceeds will fund the NGO (vicious circle, but hey, I feel some of them are used to this)

26: next step is taking control of brothels, go-go's and MP and put in their own girls to work, replacing the local girls, all of a sudden the demand will disappear.

[Kniom]

Just did it for fun. I guess it is NOT what they expected, ha ha.

[Sir Lancelot]

You were also right to turn down the threesome offer. First, there is a law in Cambodia against debauchery. Two girls having sex with one man or even two girls in the same room while one is having sex with the man is considered debauchery and you can get into quite serious trouble for it.I didn't know this but it's interesting to know for future. Have you heard of any cases of set-ups? It's not hard to imagine a scenerio in which two girls and a corrupt police officer might be working together to take bribes from tourists.


The Paris hotel. Another very hit and miss place. The place is miles away from the river or Heart and certainly too far to walk in the rain, heat or dust.I actually did walk there from the Heart of Darkness area. It's not too far, about 1km from Phsar Thmei market along a busy road. It had gone dark but was still very humid. I needed a can of coke to cool down before I entered!


Great report Sir Lancelot. I will have to try to find these two for myself when I am in PP next week.Thank you. Check out the bars on the riverside too. I'm just about to post a report.

Good luck!

[Sir Lancelot]

I had ten days left of my trip and wanted to spend the last week in Pattaya, Thailand's 'Sin City'. The easiest way to get there from Phnom Penh is to fly to Bangkok and then take a two hour trip by taxi or bus. I decided on a different route. I booked a bus ticket down to Sihanoukville ($7) on Cambodia's south coast, where I'd relax on the beach for a few days and explore its small pay-for-play scene. Then I'd head across the border to Pattaya.

That meant I had one final night in Phnom Penh. I wanted to visit the hostess bars concentrated on Streets 104, 108 and 136. My plan was to visit all three streets in one night, visiting two or three bars in each. That would mean lots of bars, lots of drinking and lots of girls to talk to.

It promised to be a long night so I saved my energy by having a relaxing afternoon. I ate well at a roadside diner before walking to STREET 136. It took 15 minutes to walk there from Walkabout and I arrived at 7. 30pm. It's a lively street with lots of restaurants and girlie bars. It was busy with tourists due to its proximity to the river where lots of the more expensive hotels are located. I slowly walked up and down the street to get a taste. There are about 20 bars with names like Moonshine, One3Six. 69 Bar and Las Vegas. Each bar had five or six girls sat outside. Most were average although I did some younger and prettier girls outside Lemon and Oasis.

I decided to start at CANDY, supposedly the largest bar with the most girls. It's located on a corner and split over two storeys. There weren't many customers except for a few older gents playing Connect 4 with girls at the bar. I bought a drink and went for a walk around. There were about 40 girls and the standard wasn't too inspiring. I went upstairs and saw a few pretty ones playing pool with customers. I stood on the balcony overlooking the street and noticed a curtained area in the corner with a seat inside. I wondered whether it was a 'naughty boys corner' like some of the Bangkok gogo bars.

I walked back downstairs. Most girls were near the entrance so I sat on a stool nearby. Within seconds three girls surrounded me and began bombarding me with the usual questions. All three were probably in their 30s and average looking. The oldest didn't speak a word of English so massaged my shoulders. Soon after two younger girls came to my table who were more the type I was looking for. Both were 7/10's with long curly hair and lovely dark skin.

Whenever I have lots of attention from lots of girls I play a game. I tell the girls that I will buy a drink for the girl who can guess closest to my age. The girls always enjoy playing and it causes lots of excitement. That said, I nearly threw my drink over the first girl who guessed 45!

I let each girl have a guess and they each gave it some thought before answering. 35? 32? 28? 33? 'One of you has got it right' I said and the girls leaned closer, expectantly. 'It's you' I said and pointed to the girl who guessed 35. Usually I fix it so the prettiest girl wins even if they guess incorrectly but in this case she was the closest. She shrieked with laughter and I bought her a cocktail for $3. 25 (my Angkor beer cost $2). Normally this is the cue for the losing girls to leave but they all stayed at my table and the oldest girl continued massaging my shoulders. Have they never heard of the expression 'three's a crowd' (or five, six, seven)?

The winners name was Nee and she had a pretty girl-next-door look. She had a sweet smile and her red dress revealed a slim body with tempting curves. We chatted for ten minutes before it was time for me to leave. I had lots of bars to visit so needed to keep moving. She was a nice girl so I told her 'maybe I see you later'. I gave a small tip to the older girl who massaged my shoulders which she seemed surprised by. The bar-fine in Candy is $10 and it's up to you to negotiate with the girl. Figures online start from $25 for short-time.

I decided to try LEMON next as it had the prettiest selection of girls sat outside. It was a narrow bar lined with stools with a pool table at the end. I was the only customer. I sat down and was immediately surrounded by six girls and I was impressed by the quality. All were young and the girl who did most of the talking had a sexy confidence about her and a glint in her eye. Her long curly hair was tied in a ponytail.

There was one standout option, a petite young girl in a yellow top. She was a 10/10 and I couldn't take my eyes off her. She didn't speak, she just smiled cutely. I let her win my 'guess my age' game and bought her drink.

Her name was Alena and she was 19 years old. We chatted and she affectionately cuddled up to me. At one point she stroked my cheek and told me how handsome I was. I always take compliments from bar-girls with a pinch of salt but it's always nice to hear! Despite the fact that she spoke limited English, we sparked. She seemed to like me and I definitely liked her. We had a game of pool and each time I bent down to take a shot with my back to the bar, the curly-haired girl pinched my bum. When I turned around she looked away innocently.

I would happily have paid Alena's bar-fine but it was too early and I wanted to visit more bars. It was my last night in Phnom Penh after all. Apparently some girls in these hostess bars are picky with which customers they go with so I asked Alena if she would like to go with me. She smiled and nodded. I told her that I had to meet a friend but I hoped to see her again later.

I was impressed with Lemon. There were only 10 girls but four were strong contenders and Alena was the kind of girl I fantasise about meeting in Asia. My beer cost $1. 50 and the lady-drink was $3. If you take a girl the bar-fine is $10.

I decided to walk to STREET 104 as supposedly it is where the best looking girls work. It took ten minutes to walk there along the riverfront. It's a smaller street and doesn't have the same lively atmosphere as Street 136. There were no girls sat outside, just lots of eager tuk-tuk drivers beneath an array of neon bar-signs for bars like Vixens, One Zero Four, Oscars and Zanzibar.

AIRFORCE is meant to have the prettiest girls so I walked in. It was a cosy bar but unlike Lemon it was very busy. All of the tables were taken so I sat on a stool at the end of the bar where immediately I was pounced upon by five girls. The oldest massaged my shoulders again as the other four fired questions at me. They were all young and one particularly caught my eye. She was a 9/10 with blond curly hair, pale skin and a distinctive face with 'chipmunk cheeks'. She was the flirtiest too and her eyes twinkled when she talked. I let her win 'guess my age' and bought her a $3 cocktail.

She stood between my knees and we chatted. Her name was Mon and I was surprised when she told me that she was 24 as she looked younger. She had a nice body and was the type I would happily bar-fine in the blink of an eye on any other night. She was great fun too. We played a game of 'stares' and she kissed me on the lips to try and make me laugh. Her cheeky personality suggested she'd be a good performer in the bedroom.

I bought a drink for the older girl who was massaging my shoulders too. Normally I limit myself to one lady-drink for every drink I have but I sensed that she didn't get many bought for her and she was doing a good job. Her face lit up and she ordered a strawberry cocktail in a Martini glass. This gesture served a duel purpose because it told Mon that I am generous, a quality bar-girls look for in a man!

According to reports online, lots of girls in Airforce say that they won't go with customers but Mon nodded when I asked whether she accepted bar-fines.

In my opinion she was the prettiest girl in the bar so I wonder whether their availability boils down to personal choice. I'm 37 and when I go out I like to make an effort. On this night I was wearing my smartest long-sleeved shirt and I'd splashed aftershave on too, which Asian girls seem to think is the height of luxury ('you smell nice' she told me). I also smile a lot and like have fun with the girls, which increases the chances of a girl wanting to go with me. My modus operandi is to try and make a girl like me rather than make it too much like a business transaction and I suppose it's in bars like this where my approach pays off. Men who make no effort with their appearance, who bluntly ask 'do you do anal? ', aren't likely to succeed with pretty girls who know there will be another customer just around the corner.

I was impressed by Airforce. It had about 30 girls, a fair percentage of whom were lookers. I watched as a cute young spinner tried her luck with an ex-pat twice her size and at one point a young girl walked past with an average face but big wobbly tits. Airforce has a good atmosphere with lots of customers and lots of laughter. The bar-fine is $7.

I liked Mon but I wanted to see more bars so for the second time in the night I walked away from a pretty girl. I cursed to myself. Why had I waited until my last night in Phnom Penh to visit these bars? I was having lots of fun and was meeting some stunning girls available for cheap prices.

Another bar that receives good mentions is ROSE BAR, across the street from Airforce. I entered at 10. 15pm and it was packed with customers and thick with cigarette smoke. It was another narrow bar and most of the tables were taken by single men surrounded by girls. There were probably 40 girls and some were very easy on the eye. I sat at a free table and within seconds five girls surrounded me. One was young and lots of fun. She was only a 2/10 but she kept staring at me and when I made a point of staring back, she told me 'I love you', much to the other girls amusement. I gave her a hug and told her 'we marry tomorrow, okay? ' which was greeted by an ear-piercing scream. The other girls found this very funny.

The prettiest girl looked like a young Lucy Lu and had an elegance about her. I bought her a $3 lady-drink but sadly she hardly spoke a word of English so conversation soon dried up. Sat next to her was a fresh-faced young girl who seemed new to the business. She was very shy and just stared at me the whole time like I was the first white man she'd ever seen. I figured she might need a confidence boost so, feeling generous, I bought her a lady-drink before I left. She was surprised and looked at the other girl for instruction of what to do. I told her it had been lovely to meet her and left.

It was 11pm. Originally I had hoped to visit the bars on Street 108 (located on the intersection with Street 51) but I decided that the time had come to take a girl. Normally I bar-fine later in the night but I had two standout options and I knew that if I left it too long they might get bar-fined by someone else. Alena in particular was very special and I didn't want to miss out. I headed back to Street 136. 'Please still be there' I prayed as I approached Lemon.

She wasn't sat outside so I walked in. I couldn't see Alena and when a girl I recognised from earlier saw me, she told me that Alena had left as she was 'feeling sick'. This is usually bar-girl speak for 'getting laid by another customer'. I ordered a beer to drown my sorrows and got served by a very cute girl who I hadn't seen earlier. She had a breathtaking face and when she found out that I was looking for Alena she chimed 'she my sister! '. Wow, they have some good genes in that family!

Just as I was debating whether it was okay to bar-fine the hot sister of a girl I liked, Alena walked in to the bar. She wasn't wearing the same pretty outfit as earlier, she was wearing jeans and a T-shirt. She gave me a hug but she wasn't as bubbly as earlier. 'Not feeling well' she said and patted her stomach. I felt guilty for cynically thinking that she had been bar-fined! She must have been resting somewhere nearby and one of the girls from Lemon must have told her that I'd returned. I gave her a few of the sickness tablets I always carry with me at all times whenever I'm in Asia.

She rested her head on my shoulder and at one point I thought she had fallen asleep. I suspected I wouldn't be getting any action with her tonight so I decided to finish my beer and return to Airforce to bar-fine Mon. I gulped down the last few mouthfuls prompting Alena to ask 'what you do now? '. I explained to her that I really liked her but if she was ill she needed to rest. 'I okay now' she replied before staring at me with big dark eyes. I asked her whether she'd like to go back to my hotel with me and she nodded. 'Short-time okay? ' she asked. That suited me fine.

Knowing how much to pay was tricky. Online suggests that the going rate for short-time on Street 136 is anything between $25 and $50 depending on the girl, your negotiating skills and the time of night. Alena was one of the youngest, prettiest girls I had seen so I thought I'd be wasting time if I went in too low. I suggested $30 and she accepted straight away.

I paid the $10 bar-fine with my drinks bill and we jumped in to the back of a tuk-tuk outside the bar. We waved to the other girls from Lemon as we drove away. Alena held my hand on the short journey and seemed to be back to her bubbly self.

Back in my room we lay on the bed but disappointingly she kissed with her mouth clothed. 'You wan massage? ' she asked. I took my shirt off and she massaged my shoulders. It was relaxing so I pretended to snore. I gave her a back massage in return, insisting that she took her top off to make it easier. I firmly rubbed her velvety smooth skin and perhaps she sensed my mounting excitement because she wriggled from beneath me and said 'I go shower now'.

After showering, she lay naked on the bed next to me. She had a very petite body and although her tits were small, she had firm bullet-like nipples. We kissed again, this time our hands wandering over each other's body. I put a condom on and she tightened her face as I slid in to her. 'You big, slowly' she said, her eyes tightly closed. I wondered whether I was her first barang. Her pussy was tight so I slowly eased in and out. She started kissing me passionately with her tongue and groaned softly when I kissed her on the neck. It was the kind of girlfriend sex I crave.

I lay on my back and invited her to ride me. Alena just sat there, giggled and shook her head. I suggested doggy but she lay down on her back and spread her legs invitingly. Perhaps because she had been ill earlier she just wanted to lie back and let me do the work? More likely she was inexperienced with foreigners I thought. I slid back in to her and before long I was hammering in to her pussy as she dug her fingernails in to my back and groaned loudly.

On the down-side it was inexperienced sex in just one position. That's the price I pay for targeting innocent girls who look fresh to the business! But I wasn't complaining. Here I was fucking a gorgeous 19 year old girl-of-my-dreams for just $30. Sometimes you have to pinch yourself when you're in Asia. I came in a shuddering climax and we showered again.

Before she left, I asked for some photos. She obliged by pulling lots of silly faces and jumping up and down on the bed making funny poses. I don't think I've met a girl with such an infectious personality. At one point she pushed the bedside table against a picture on the wall and stood in front of it, impersonating the dancing apsara. After she put her shoes back on, I said 'I give you tip'. As a joke I handed her a 100 riel note, the lowest value note in my wallet and she thumped me on the arm. I gave her $10 instead. It was very generous considering she had offered me a limited menu but I genuinely believed that she had been ill and I appreciated her efforts in coming with me. She kissed me on the cheek and gave me a big hug before she left. I waved her goodbye and watched as she walked away down the corridor. What a fantastic girl.

The time was 1am and I considered going to Airforce to bar-fine Mon. But bar-crawls are exhausting. It's not just the heat and the alcohol, it's the endless questions. Also I wasn't guaranteed seeing Mon again and if she was still there, chances were she'd be with another customer. Besides, I'm a big fan of leaving places on the right note and Alena was a great way to end my time in Phnom Penh.

The bus to Sihanoukville was picking me up early next morning so I did some packing and went to bed.

[Nvslim]

At Hotel Paris you get a massage and then extras are negotiated afterwards between you and your girl. I assumed I'd have to pay for the massage upfront at the small cashier desk but instead the girl was handed a ticket before taking my hand and leading me to the stairs. We passed a pretty girl sat on the steps. She was wearing the same pink outfit and was a 9/10 with long curly hair and quite a hispanic face. It's amazing how often you see a stunner shortly after you've already made your choice. We climbed two flights of stairs and walked down a corridor to a large double room. An air-con unit rumbled away in the corner without cooling the air very much. The girls name was Poy and she was 26. She didn't speak much English but was a sweet girl with a warm nature.

We got changed and I wondered how much to pay her. My research suggested that $30 is fair, plus a tip for good service. Poy had given an excellent massage and despite the condom problems, had given me 100. We'the also gone well in to the second hour so I figured that $40 would be a fair price. I handed over four crisp notes and she seemed happy enough.I have been following your reports thru SEA. Saw Paris girl and searched thru the reports for her. She is really really cute and I'm glad you were able to sample her wares. You are having just too much fun for one guy. :)

Love the reports for their depth and completeness. Good luck and see you in the Pat's thread.

Slim

[Sir Lancelot]

I have been following your reports thru SEA. Saw Paris girl and searched thru the reports for her. She is really really cute and I'm glad you were able to sample her wares. You are having just too much fun for one guy. .

Love the reports for their depth and completeness. Good luck and see you in the Pat's thread.

SlimThanks for the compliments and I'm glad you're enjoying my diary.

Paris had some nice girls but they were sweet, smily 'girl-next-door' types, not the stunning types you sometimes get in the Thai massage parlours. I had no problem with that because as you'll know from my diary, I like the sweet and innocent types who love to smile. Paris had quite a lot of girls and they were all young. I was the only customer at the time. I was pleased with my choice of girl but as we were walking to the room I saw a very pretty girl sat on the steps. It's amazing how often you see a great girl just after you've comitted to another girl!

As I said in my diary, if you go Paris, take your own condom. I did but due to the unfortunate condom malfunction, I had to use one of Hotel Paris's, which was quite tight.

Incidentally, just a quick THANK YOU to everyone who patiently answered my questions on this forum before my trip. It was largely thanks to you guys that I was able to have such an enjoyable time. I will certainly go back to Phnom Penh.

[Simian]

I didn't know this but it's interesting to know for future. Have you heard of any cases of set-ups? It's not hard to imagine a scenerio in which two girls and a corrupt police officer might be working together to take bribes from tourists.

I actually did walk there from the Heart of Darkness area. It's not too far, about 1km from Phsar Thmei market along a busy road. It had gone dark but was still very humid. I needed a can of coke to cool down before I entered!

Thank you. Check out the bars on the riverside too. I'm just about to post a report.

Good luck!Yes, I did hear of such police setups regarding the old debauchery law scam. Hard to parse exactly what transpires behind the scenes and who is responsible for connecting the dots for the cops in such cases. Sometimes it is not the girls. One foreigner guy who I trust told me about a case where he brought two girls back to his place. The cops were there about 30 minutes later but the second girl was not in the same room with the first girl and the guy. So no big payout for them that night.

The Khmer cops are not going to scam locals who are connected; nor will they try the scam on foreigner residents who are well-connected. They prefer the tourist as their mark.

THat road to the Paris Hotel was all dug up a few years ago with huge amounts of dust in the dry season and hard to navigate on foot. I always prefer to take transport to my mongering destination of choice as I am getting older and I prefer to keep my energy for the main event and to reduce the grumpy factor.

I read your account of the girl from the bar. 136 street, I think. Granted that I was not there but I would strongly suspect that she had done ST with a customer and was not ill, as she claimed. The girls who go with customers in those bars prefer to do ST always except at the end of the night when there are no other opportunities. It allows them to get more cash per night, especially earlier in the evening. She may not have been as innocent as she let on, preferring mish to get you off quickly rather than give you too much action given that she was on the job at least one time earlier in the evening and she may have been planning to hook another before closing time. Also, many of the girls in those bars sleep upstairs. She arriving from elsewhere in her street clothes would strongly indicate a prior ST arrangement.

The question is: did she speak some English. The more fluent the English spoken by the girls in those bars, the longer they have been in the bar and the more sexually experienced they are and the more experienced they are at playing / manipulating the foreigner. Granted the mongering gods were smiling on you and the girl had some charm about her and at the end of the day you had overall a very entertaining experience. But remove some of the girl's charm or throw in the fact that the girl "suddenly and unexpectedly" starts her period while only wanting to do mish in the hope that you will finish before you realise. Then the experience becomes much more of an irritant and a let-down, as I can vouch.

What you really did get right was how you approached the bars, by going in and scoping out the place first, not buying everyone a drink but having a good method of restricting ladydrinks to the girl you wanted by getting them to guess your age (I tried to get them to guess my penis size but with the usual disastrous results!) and checking that the chosen girl would barfine. The worst way to approach such bars is with the aim of getting laid. They will stick you with a pretty girl who does ladydrinks only but who does not understand English well enough to be able to tell you. Hmmmm. Go with your attitude of I'm having a good time, buy one ladydrink for the girl you choose after spending time checking them out without saying no to anyone. Of course, if you just refuse to buy ladydrinks while looking around, that can be held against you too and more games can be played. Your humorous way of choosing the girl was just right.

But then, I find myself getting grumpy with all this nonsense, especially when I remember the way things were not so long ago when some guys met such great girls in bars that they ended up marrying them. All bargirls back then went with customers. It was part of the job description. Even the mamasans went with customers if the customer wanted.

Don't get me wrong. If a girl does not want to go with a customer, that is her prerogative and I am all in favor of providers having a get-out clause if they run up against a customer who is nasty or unpleasant in some way. In the past, they usually said that they were having their period or were sick in some way. But bars providing girls who can hardly speak a word of English and only do ladydrinks is just a way of pumping money out of tourists.

There now does not seem to be any benefit to paying a barfine either. If she rips you off, steals or scams you, you can complain but the bar will do nothing (or most of them will do nothing). If you see a girl you like, chances are she only does ladydrinks. I find that irritating.

For all these reasons, I tend to stay away from these bars except to have an occasional drink and watch the strange stuff that happens. That is why when in Phnom Penh I tend to frequent onsite places (massage with FS, one onsite bar and Le Cycee). If I have a secure place for my valuables and I am in the mood for a different experience, I may go for a freelancer who will be happy with LT, if I so choose, and I can work on the chemistry. And if I buy a FL a drink, it is usually not the crazy inflated prices as in those girlie bars.

[Sir Lancelot]

I read your account of the girl from the bar. 136 street, I think. Granted that I was not there but I would strongly suspect that she had done ST with a customer and was not ill, as she claimed.You may be right as about an hour and a half passed between my trips to Lemon, certainly enough time to squeeze in a quick short-time. If she did, good on her! But on the whole I believe her story, purely because earlier in the night she was so bubbly and lively but when I returned she actually looked quite ill and a bit sorry for herself and when I offered her some tablets she gratefully accepted. In fact there was such a marked difference in her demeanour I was set to leave Lemon and go back to Airport. She spoke very little English, to such a degree a waitress had to act as translator when I was asking about her bar-fine. My instinct is that she was new to business.


What you really did get right was how you approached the bars, by going in and scoping out the place first, and checking that the chosen girl would barfine.All three girls I asked said that they accepted bar-fines. I should point out that I'm 36, athletic, pale-skinned and blue-eyed and generally I get along very well with the girls but I think if you present yourself well and are prepared to have a bit of fun with the girl, she is far more likely to accept your bar-fine request than if you dress scruffily and weigh in with 'do you do anal? ' inside the first five minutes. My impresion of these bars, like you say, is that they're great places to go and have a bit of fun and then just see what happens. You need to have a beer bar mentality rather than a gogo bar mentality.


If I have a secure place for my valuables and I am in the mood for a different experience, I may go for a freelancer who will be happy with LT, if I so choose, and I can work on the chemistry. And if I buy a FL a drink, it is usually not the crazy inflated prices as in those girlie bars.I saw a lot of freelancers around the Golden Sorya Mall / Heart of Darkness area. When I return I will definitely spend time exploring the freelance possibilities because some of them were a high standard.

[LifeIsABeach]

I should point out that I'm 36, athletic, pale-skinned and blue-eyed and generally I get along very well with the girls but I think if you present yourself well and are prepared to have a bit of fun with the girl, she is far more likely to accept your bar-fine request than if you dress scruffily and weigh in with 'do you do anal? ' inside the first five minutes. My impresion of these bars, like you say, is that they're great places to go and have a bit of fun and then just see what happens. You need to have a beer bar mentality rather than a gogo bar mentality.

I saw a lot of freelancers around the Golden Sorya Mall / Heart of Darkness area. When I return I will definitely spend time exploring the freelance possibilities because some of them were a high standard.I agree that if you look good, I. E. In good shape, dress well and respect others, are not a drunk nor a drug addict, you are not going to have any problems with the women. I am not Lancelot's age, those days have been over a long time ago but I work out regularly at a health club and am in a very good shape and mostly pass for around 40 years old though I am not. I started keeping in shape since I was a little kid. I also dress well, designer clothes. I treat everyone with respect, including working girls. Also, I like to talk and start a conversation and laugh a bit. I no longer drink much at all. Those days have been over a long time ago. So, the women are always there. It takes two to tango.

Lancelot, the Golden Sorya Mall / Heart of Darkness area is known as street 51 area. Pontoon night club is there too. I had no problems bringing freelancers back to the room every night. Not one stole anything. You have to make the room WG safe. There must be a safe in the room. Leave just what you want to give the girl somewhere. Look your valuables either in your suitcases or safe and put the keys in the safe. Just be monger smart and have fun. Life is good.

[SmallBird]

Hope you continue writing your diary in the coming venture.

[KongKing]

I gave her a few of the sickness tablets I always carry with me at all times whenever I'm in Asia.I am really enjoying your story line Sir Lancelot. Great word descriptions and valuable detailed information for all. I like your "guess my age" game". For my / our info what sickness tablets do you carry at all times?

KongKing

[Betong]

10. Why do you think men use prostitutes? (Pick one or more)

Loneliness

Lack of intimacy

Need for love

Desire for power

OtherThat really tells you all you need to know about these people. I won't bother doing the survey, but for all you NGOs who follow ISG (admit it, you do) , here's the answer I think most of us would give you: Because we're horny and it's fun.

[FreebieFan]

That really tells you all you need to know about these people. I won't bother doing the survey, but for all you NGOs who follow ISG (admit it, you do) , here's the answer I think most of us would give you: Because we're horny and it's fun.Added to the mising answer of " why not ". Supply and demand creates the situation. Take away the supply and the demand is still ther and so the supply will regenerate elesewhere. The fabulous NGO losers (lets save the world is so worthy a cause!) don't ever quite get this. They figure they are the first people to ever try to take away the supply.

Memo to NGOs. These girsl don't want to go knitting. They tend to enjoy sex and the easily earned cash their job brings.

[SmallBird]

True Rick, I personally go for the 50 ST and 100+ LT girls from places like Beer Gardens, KTVs, Naga, Royal Phnom Penh Hotel (the bar at the back) etc. And that's only if I'm horny and a GF isn't available, but he said he was experienced and freelancers was what he was lookin for.

I think taken the middle around where your talkin is about the lowest I'd ever go. From what an ex told me years ago 50% of the girls at places like Walkabout were HIV+.

Anyway each his own, and hell I use to do several girls a day for $5 ST out at K11 years ago,

So?Bro, is k11 still alive today?

[Sir Lancelot]

I agree that if you look good, I. E. In good shape, dress well and respect others, are not a drunk nor a drug addict, you are not going to have any problems with the women.I think the key is also smiling and having fun with girls. From what I gathered on this forum before my trip, not all girls go with all guys. As a result it's not just the girls who need to impress. My modus operandi is always to treat my meetings with girls as little like a business transaction as possible. I figure that most of these girls don't like to be reminded that they're prostitutes, so I just chat with them, play silly little games and never ask sex-related questions. I want them to be as relaxed as possible in my company and I find that not only will they be more receptive to a bar-fine, they are far more likely to provide the much sought-after 'girlfriend experience'. Ps. I like your phrase 'monger smart', I may use it in my next diary!


Hope you continue writing your diary in the coming venture.Thanks for the compliment and you can be sure that wherever I go next, I will be plundering this forum pre-trip and posting my diary afterwards! Incidentally, you might like to know that I am currently posting on the Pattaya thread, Thailand.


I am really enjoying your story line Sir Lancelot. Great word descriptions and valuable detailed information for all. I like your "guess my age" game". For my / our info what sickness tablets do you carry at all times?Thanks Kong. I thought you were very badly treated in the film but glad to see you're okay now. I'd recommend the 'guess my age' game as the girls love it, it creates lots of laughter and of course you can manufacture it so that your favourite girl wins anyway. Regarding the tablets, I find that no matter how careful I am with what I eat or drink in Asia, or how much I avoid ice cubes and clean my teeth with bottled water, I will have an upset stomach at least once. As a result I carry Imodium Instants around with me at all times. When Alena told me she was ill, she patted her stomach, so I gave her a couple of the tablets.

[LifeIsABeach]

Regarding the tablets, I find that no matter how careful I am with what I eat or drink in Asia, or how much I avoid ice cubes and clean my teeth with bottled water, I will have an upset stomach at least once. As a result I carry Imodium Instants around with me at all times.I also carry Imodium tablets with me on all my travels. On my last trip to Philippines, I had stomach sickness and Imodium just did not work. I tried other stuff from Pharmacy and nothing worked. I was eating the very basic food and praying on the flight back to USA that my stomach will hold. I piled on antacid and Imodium. I saw my doctor on returning and he gave a couple of shots of Cipro (total about 1000 mg) and that killed all the bugs and bacteria. I am going to start carrying Cipro too in my future trips. I saw the kitchen in one of the restaurants that I ate and it was not clean. It takes just one person with dirty hands to spoil your vacation.

[PussyFeelsGood]

Great report as always Lancelot, I would suggest getting some "ercerfurlyl" next time you have an upset stomach in Asia, works outstanding and super cheap in Cambodia.

Can be found at any pharmacy there for $2-$4 for a box, stock up because its not as cheap in other countries.

[GooberMonger]

Bro, is k11 still alive today?No, not for anything that interests me or anything legal.

Cheers.

[Sir Lancelot]

Great report as always Lancelot, I would suggest getting some "ercerfurlyl" next time you have an upset stomach in Asia, works outstanding and super cheap in Cambodia.

Can be found at any pharmacy there for $2-$4 for a box, stock up because its not as cheap in other countries.Ercerfurlyl has got to be a typo! Haha. Thanks for the compliment and useful tip. I shall make a note for my next trip.

[JohnTheMatress]

After living here for a little while, I've compiled my notes in an attempt to give a run down of what is available and what it's like. I wish I would have had something like this when I started out, though after doing it I understand why someone wouldn't want to spend the time. I say this is an attempt, because as Appendix II shows, there are plenty of places I still don't know enough about to include a review.

I've followed each description with a rough score on a five point scale. 5/5 is the highest possible rating.

If you're interested in the scene, I recommend checking out places and doing your own assessment. Your opinions may (and probably will) differ from mine.

I'm also interested in any corrections or updates.

This is several thousand words long, so I imagine I'll have to break it up into separate posts.

I. Bars.

Hostess style bars similar to what you'd find around Hai Ba Trung street in Ho Chi Minh City, though a little less professional and sex oriented. You can spend time with the girls, play games, get a shoulder massage, and if things work out, take the lady you like out. Standard rates are $20–30 short time or no more than $50 long time. Some girls who think they are super stars or that their bar is better than others may quote numbers way higher than this, but that usually reflects a poor attitude and so it simply isn't worth it. Keep in mind that bars and their staff change all the time.

Street 104

(This is the busiest bar street in the city. The big concentration of bars and girls is degraded in my eyes by incessant tuk tuk and moto drivers who are worse here than anywhere I've seen, and 'party animal' Westerners who come here to spends lots of money on lady drinks just to go home alone. Bars start opening around 3 pm and close around 3 am.)

Colonial Bar – The first bar on the northwest end of the street. Entrance is downstairs with some girls usually sitting outside. Actual bar is upstairs, in a converted luxury apartment. Old beat up pool table and sticks. Number of girls varies from 6 to maybe 12. All Khmer. No real stunners, but plenty look good and usually know their way around a man's equipment. As far as I know, all of the girls who work here will barfine, though they may say they don't if they don't like the customer. Barfine is $10. (2. 5/5)

Oscar – The next bar is home to surprisingly decent live music by the bar's owner and his band most days of the week. The layout is open for dancing, which sometimes draws backpackers (male and female) to dance around. That and the occasional shitty bathroom smell take away from the place. A huge number of Khmer girls work here, though many of them are at the lower end of the looks department by Phnom Penh standards. Most will go with customers but there are a few who will not. I don't know what the barfine is here, but it can't be too high. (2/5)

Airforce Bar – One of the most popular bars though I've never really been able to figure out why. The dozen or so Khmer girls who work here look okay enough, but almost anytime you enter they're all occupied with customers. It gets crowded and noisy a lot of nights and this sometimes leads to fights. Some girls will go out with customers, some will not. Barfine is $10. (2/5)

Milky Way – Next to the Airforce Bar and sharing the same owner, this place is a lot more spartan and supposed to be quiter / more laid back. You'll see some of the girls from Airforce here, but usually no real stars. There is one girl with a pretty slim body and gigantic tits. Nigerian guys like to hang out here, often out of view in the back. Most girls will go out if they feel okay about you. Barfine is $10. (1/5)

104 Bar – Maybe a dozen Khmer girls work here. They tend toward the older and less attractive side. Never saw I would want to do. At least one ladyboy works here. The place is kind of dingy. Seems to attract customers, but I've pretty much given up on the place. (1/5)

Vixens – Standard bar. Nothing memorable about my few visits here, though it's nice enough inside. Barfine is $10. (2/5)

Top Ten – Not many girls here, but a few who are really good looking. Some Vietnamese and Vietnamese / Khmer mixed along with five or six Khmer women. There is also occasionally a very tall ladyboy here with implants (sort of a rarity in Cambodia) who looks like she could kick my ass. A few older girls but they actually look decent. The place is pretty laid back. All girls here barfine, but not with every guy. I've seen girls tell guys they only work for lady drinks only to see them go out with a different customer later. Barfine is $10. (3/5)

Zanzi Bar – One of the original bars on the street. Pretty standard inside, but clean and with a large wooden bar where girls sometimes dance. Maybe two dozen girls, all Khmer, work here, but only rarely not at the same time. Some are decent looking, some aren't so hot. No real stunners. Some roaming and kissing possible in the bar at times. Almost every girl here will do short time. Some will do long time. Gets crowded. Drinks are standard price and barfine is $10. (3/5)

Matilda Bar – Pretty big bar that gets busy. A good number of girls, mostly of average looks. Drinks are standard price and girls aren't pushy for you to buy them. Some roaming and kissing possible in the bar at times here too. I think it's run by two Western guys. Most girls will barfine. Rate is $10. (3/5)

Big Mama's – Used to be T-Pub 2. Refurbished after a fire and change in owner. Nice enough inside. Maybe a dozen Khmer girls, mostly average. One or two who probably should have been out of the game years ago. Most girls will barfine, but the bartenders will not. (2. 5/5)

Bunny Bar – The last bar in the row and the last bar in quality. A really shitty bar that looks almost as bad as it smells inside. That said the mamasan is nice and the handful of Khmer girls who work here are too, but they aren't lookers. (1/5)

On the other side of the road:

Rose Bar – Maybe the most popular bar, though this is another one I haven't really figured out. Almost always crowded with lots of male customers, which means most ladies are already busy when you arrive. Maybe 2 dozen Khmer girls. People say it's a place for busty girls though I think that's exaggerated. A lot of thick girls. Most girls will go out short time. $10 barfine before midnight, $5 after. (2. 5/5)

Smile Girl Bar – A decent bar with a good number of attractive Khmer ladies. They always dress nice and look sexy. Some roaming and kissing is possible at times. But this is another place that gets really crowded. And girls tend to put on the pressure for drinks if they're not already busy with other customers. A few girls here don't go out with customers. A few do. They tend to ask premium prices. (2. 5/5)

Street 108.

There are two bars here, a little out of the way for me. They are decent, but with so much available I rarely make my way over here anymore.

Golden Vine – On the corner of 108 and 51 next to the French restaurant. A bar that's been around for a while. Has a pool table, long bar and some tables. Maybe 2 dozen girls work here maximum. A few Vietnamese girls. Most are average in looks. No real stunners that I've seen. Good attitudes and friendly. Most will go out for short time. Some will go long time. I think the barfine is $7. (2. 5/5)

Zapata (or is the name Enigma?) – Right next to Golden Vine. Almost as many girls, mostly Khmer. Average looks. Some a little worse. Friendly but the better looking girls sometime timid. Some girls will barfine. (2/5).

Street 110

A small cluster of bars worth checking out, especially if you're interested in a barfine.

City Bar – One of the original bars on this street I think. Has a pool table that leans like the Tower of Pisa. Mostly Vietnamese girls. Sometimes they go back for weeks at a time or to never reappear. Some have been working for years. Three Khmer girls. One has huge tits and is sweet. All on staff but one or two are doable. A few don't do blowjobs, but thankfully this is a place you can ask about that beforehand with no issues. There are two virgins who work here for lady drinks only. Ask beforehand if you think that's a waste of money. Everyone else will barfine, usually short time or long time is no problem. (3/5)

Lips – A new bar across the street from City Bar. Very nice inside with lots of Khmer girls on staff. Looks range widely from bad to good. The four cute girls behind the bar cannot be barfined. Some of the hostesses can't either, which is a shame since it's mostly the more attractive ones that don't go out. (2/5)

Happy Man Bar – Next to City bar. Has a Barang owner I think. An older pool table inside. It's a little dingy inside and the selection of maybe 6 or 7 Khmer girls isn't that great as far as looks go. They are nice though and should all be willing to go out. Barfine is $10 or $6 if you already bought the girl a drink. (1. 5/5)

Starlight – An okay bar with probably a dozen Khmer girls working. Looks range from poor to just above average, but most are very sweet. Some girls will barfine, others won't. At least one virgin works here for lady drinks only. (2/5)

Ben's Bar – Another bar similar to Starlight. Nothing special, but not a bad place either. (2/5)

Zanzi Pub – Across the street from the others, this is a new bar that is very nice inside. A pool table and plenty of games. A good sized staff of Khmer girls ranges from average to above average in looks. There is no barfine here. You simply can't take girls out, which is the major downfall of this place. If you want to arrange something with the girls you can either swap numbers or agree to meet them after work somewhere. They'll have to like you a bit or be really intrigued by your monetary offer. (2/5)

Street 118

A small group of bars. Only Island Bar is really worth visiting in my opinion.

Dream Bar – A big bar on the corner of Street 118 and Street 5. Not many girls and not an especially great place. Many girls won't barfine. (1/5)

Island Bar – A fun place that often has girls dancing inside. Probably 2 dozen girls, mostly Khmer but a few Viet mix. Looks range from just below average to just above it. As far as I know, every girl will go out with you, though many are starfish in the sack. Many speak no English at all. Just ask someone at the bar to translate and they will. Short time $20-30, agree on it in advance to avoid issues. Many here don't like to go long time, but will make an exception if they like you. (3/5)

Nice Friends Bar – Across the street from Island. Opens early. Small bar with a very small staff. No one I'd want to do, but friendly. Drink specials. (1/5)

Street 130

Hooters – Despite the name, not really staffed with busty girls. A few Khmer girls who are friendly enough but nothing special. Most will barfine. May be closed now. Wasn't open the last time I looked. (2/5)

The Fire Bar – A run of the mill Phnom Penh bar. Okay staff. I'm not sure what percentage of girls here will barfine as I've never asked for it or witnessed it. Any info appreciated. (can't rate)

Golden Bear – A very small bar across next to The Fire Bar. They play the music a little loud for my tastes. A half dozen Khmer girls. Looks range from poor to good. Most will go out with customers but may take some warming up. At least one girl here is a virgin who works only for lady drinks. (2/5)

Ponleu Lin – A newer bar across the street from the others. Pool table in the back. Maybe a half dozen women work here, most of whom will go out with you, though it may take some time to warm them up. $10 barfine. Drinks are a little higher priced here than most other bars. Had quite a few attractive girls who wouldn't bar fine working here but they seem to have all left. (2/5)

Barbados – The next place down. Has a nice illuminated bar inside. Close to a dozen Khmer girls work here. One or two have nice big racks. Most will barfine. Sometimes has live music. Worth checking out. (3/5)

Moe Para – A Japanese themed bar with plenty of cute girls in school girl style uniforms next to Barbados. Girls don't barfine but will drink with you and serve you food. It's possible to arrange something after hours with some staff members, as I discovered. This place may now be closed. Doors were shuttered the last time I looked. (1. 5/5)

136 Bar – On the corner of streets 130 and 5. A big bar with a huge staff. Probably 30 Khmer girls work here. Unfortunately, the 3 or 4 extremely pretty ones are virgins who only work for lady drinks. Plenty of other girls though who range in looks and attitude from poor to just above average. Most are willing to go short time if you put a little effort into it. Sometimes has live music. The place can get a little too crowded and noisy for my taste. (2/5)

Street 136

The second busiest street after 104. Has a big concentration of bars near the riverside and a few more further to the West.

First Bar – Three blocks from Riverside, on the north side of the street. Has changed names many times which is why the name on the sign in the street is different than the name on the building and the name on the awning over the door. Most recent name was Catch 22. Small bar with almost a dozen girls. Most are average in looks. One Vietnamese girl and at least two virgins who work for lady drinks. The rest will go out. Beautiful bartender is married. Barfine is $10. Has a pool table but the walls are too close to play it. (2/5)

Sexy Girl – Average bar across the street from First Bar. I think it used to be called Gold Star. The last time I went in it had four older women. I would only do one, and even then I'd probably look for a better option. It closed shortly then reopened. I haven't been back to see how it is now. (1/5, judging by its previous state)

One 3 Six Platinum – Another average bar next to Sexy Girl. Small staff. Don't remember much, so it must not have been too special. (1/5)

Horny Bar – On the same side of the street as Sexy Girl. Average bar with a small staff. Nothing special. Only visited once and nothing sticks out in my mind. (1/5).

Candy Bar – A big bar on the corner of 136 and 5. Big but a bit dirty. A large bar with decent looking bartenders who don't usually go out. Open 24 hours but girls mainly there in the evenings. At peak times there may be over 2 dozen girls. Most are average looking at best. They tend to quote high prices for short time. If you don't see many girls outside or on the main floor, they're probably upstairs. Way too many ladyboys here. I think they have a ladyboy show one day a week, but they hang around every day. Some freelancers too. Not a big fan of this place. Part of the 'Happy Bar' group. (1/5).

Mr. Butterfly – Another in the 'Happy Bar' group. Also on the corner, it has a similar layout to Candy, but I think the staff is a little better looking here. Who knows though, since many of the girls go back and forth. Not all girls will barfine, but most will. (2/5)

Singer – Very similar to Candy Bar. Similarly dirty too. A pretty big staff that ranges from unattractive to pretty good. A dance floor inside that gets a lot of use from the ladies. No pressure to buy drinks but a lot of girls want you to spend a lot of time on them before they'll go out with you. Has an upstairs where some girls might be if you don't see anything you like on the ground floor. Up to a half dozen ladyboys here at any given time. I think they have a ladyboy show here too. (2/5)

99 Bar – Pretty average bar with an average staff. Lots of girls will barfine. (2. 5/5)

Best 136 Bar – Similar conditions to 99. Worth checking out as sometimes has a stunner or two. (3/5)

69 Bar – The best of the 'Happy Bar' group. Also a bit on the dingy side. Has a big staff. Most are average in looks. A few are a little above. A few are well below. Girls dance on tables and the bar through the night. Be warned that a half dozen of the best looking girls are virgins that only work for lady drinks. (2. 5/5)

Sizzlers – This is a large bar with plenty of seats, a bar, and a pool table upstairs (though the walls make it hard to play). It has a large staff that range wildly in looks. Most girls here will barfine, though a few don't give BJ. Worth looking at. (3/5)

Lemon – Yet one more. Nothing sticks out about the place, except that its staff seems to be a little on the younger side. (3/5)

Oasis – One of the nicer bars. Has a staff of more than a dozen Khmer girls. Most are average or better. Most girls will barfine, though not every night or with every customer. Also worth checking out. (3/5)

The Red Fox – Pretty nice bar with a big staff. A few aren't great to look at, but plenty of others to make up for them. Most will barfine. All around pretty nice. Worth a look. (3/5)

Dream Bar II – Smaller bar with a good sized staff. Look vary. Most if not all girls will barfine here, usually without a lot of chit chat up front. Worth a visit. (2. 5/5)

Pussy Cat – The last bar on the street. Average in all measures. There was a fire there a few weeks ago that closed it down. Now some construction materials outside. Looks like they're planning to reopen it. (was a 2/5)

Street 172

Mainly a backpacker area. There are some bars here but they don't get much traffic.

Gladiator – The main bar on the street. Pretty nice inside. Has a staff of about a half dozen Khmer women. One above average girl. Two rail thin girls. The rest are average at best. Everyone is pretty nice and no pressure to buy drinks. I think everyone here will barfine. (2. 5/5)

Costa Bar – At the end of the street. Looks nice inside and has a good pool table with a blacklight. The problem is every time I visit there are only 2 or 3 girls, including one who is a deaf mute (though very sweet). The owner says every time she gets a good looking girl, they find a boyfriend within a week and quit working. One girl here has an outrageous ass if you're into that. This bar is for sale if anyone is looking. (1/5)

Street 51.

There are a few bars here across the street from Sorya Mall. Some are pretty good, some are far from it.

Pit Stop – Owned by an American. Small staff that has never had anyone who could keep my attention. Not great. (1/5)

Plan B – Right across from the center of Sorya Mall. Recently remodeled under new ownership. Small staff of Khmer women that is pretty average in looks. This bar with black glass front offers one your best bets for rubbing and touching in the actual bar, though not all girls are up for it. Has a pool table and a dart board. All girls will barfine, though not with every guy. (2. 5/5)

T Pub – A multi-level bar with probably a dozen Khmer girls on staff. One or two are below average, the rest are average or better. Fun girls, though they tend to pressure you a bit on drinks. Seating area inside is small. A pool table and balcony upstairs. I'm pretty sure they all barfine. (3/5)

My Lien – A small staff of only a few, usually very bored girls with maybe one exception. Nothing special inside, and at times they won't even turn on the air conditioning. Last visit there were three women sleeping in the booths inside. Used to be a lot better. I think it's under new management. (1/5)

Shanghai – A large bar on the corner with probably 24 girls on staff. Girls range from average to very attractive. Not the same as it used to be. They seem to be trying to make it more respectable, whatever that means. Girls don't barfine here. You'll have to negotiate to meet them outside of work. Some will and some won't. More than a few virgins and girls who never see customers outside of work. Closes earlier than most other bars. Has a pool table and food is pretty good. (2/5)

Black Cat – An open air bar on the corner across from Shanghai. Lots of seating. Maybe a dozen Khmer girls at any given time. Mostly freelancers but I think a few girls who work here are on staff. Some are well below average. Some are quite alright. All should go out if they're into the guy at least a little, or are encouraged enough by the offer. Live music from a Filipino band here some nights. Also attracts some Barang couples and tourists. Open 24 hours, but if you're looking for girls come in the afternoon, evening or night. (2/5)

Independent locations.

These bars are on their own, not grouped with others.

Domino Bar – Located on Street 5 between streets 110 and 118 around some European bars and restaurants. A little dingy inside. Maybe 10 Khmer girls on staff. Nothing spectacular. Used to have a few good girls working but the last time I went there were at least 2 aggressive ladyboys working which turned me off to the place. (1/5)

Cyrcee (also known as LCC) – The best short time bar in Phnom Penh, located on Street 49 between streets 130 and 136. Opens at 6 pm. No huge sign, but you can find it as the red exterior is lit up outside and there is at least one guard standing in front of the shaded glass entrance. Some motos and tuk tuks know the place. Others don't. If they know it, they'll call it 'See Say. ' Close to 30 Khmer girls work here. Looks range from below average to damn good. They don't draw a monthly salary, so they're keen to go across the street with you. Girls are pretty aggressive (but not in a bad way, they'll go away once you choose who you like) and don't mind dirty talk or questions about their services in the bar. It's best to take 2 girls at once, though you can take as many as you want. No problems whatsoever. Buy a drink for yourself and required lady drink for each girl you want to take out, then pay the bar fine and go. Ask for two pops before you agree to go out and you'll get it. When you bar fine your girl / s, you'll walk to a guest house right across the street and pay $5 for the room. If you don't have condoms they'll charge you $2 for a box of some terrible brand. All the girls here will do BBBJ with gusto. They will also interact with each other if that's what you want, though with some their hearts clearly won't be into it. At least one girl does anal (ask which girl does 'roon coot'). Standard for short time is $20-25. If you want long time, the best bet is to try them out short time first then after the session ask if they'd like to go back with you. Long time is $50 or less, even if you did short time in the guest house first. (4/5)

Cathouse – An older place that many motos and tuk tuks don't know by name. Located all on its own on the corner of streets 118 and 51. Either give the streets or tell them it's around the Tin Tin hotel, which they should know. Looks very unassuming from the outside. Opens at 3 pm. Maybe the best looking staff in Phnom Penh as far as bars go. Around 2 dozen girls who are a nice mix of Khmer, Chinese Khmer and Vietnamese. They sit inside of a circular bar and wear uniforms which change with the day of the week. There are a few problems with this place. The first is that the girls can't be barfined and it's not that easy to arrange after work activities with them either. You definitely have to put in some time with most of the girls here if you want any action. The second problem is that it's frequented by some guys with nice cars, good jobs and lots of money. This mix of Barang / Khmer and Japanese guys are happy to buy drink after drink, all night long, for groups of girls. So the girls aren't motivated to go out with customers unless they especially like time. The third problem is that it closes by midnight, sometimes earlier if things are quite. Pool tables (but you have to pay to play if you lose) and games available. Food is inexpensive and actually pretty good. (2. 5/5)

[JohnTheMatress]

II. On Site Facilities

NayNay Star – This is a large guest house with a big bar, pool table and food. Open 24 hours. Pool table and food are okay. There are many Khmer girls working here, but you won't usually see a lot together in the bar at once. They go out, go upstairs with customers and sleep. Depending on when you enter, you may see up to 10. The girls range a great deal, from 20 years old to approaching 40, dark skin to light skin, from slim and pretty to old and fat. You should be able to find something you like. Buy the one you like a drink or two then ask if you can go upstairs. Be careful with a few of the girls who push aggressively for drinks. Cost for the room and to pay the house fee is $12 if I remember correctly. Negotiate directly with the girl for her end privately. It should be no more than $30 short time, usually less. Long time is available. Motodops and tuk tuks pronounce the place 'nie nie' (rhymes with 'eye, eye') if they know it. If they don't know it, tell them to take you to street 102. It's in the middle of the street. You can't miss it. (2. 5/5)

III. Freelancers.

Walkabout – On Street 51 a little south of Sorya Mall. Probably the best known place for freelancers, though I don't know why exactly. Food and drinks are inexpensive. Pool table is almost always in use. Anywhere from 3 to 10 girls to be found at any given time. Most are older, bigger or generally less attractive than you'd find elsewhere. Most aren't particularly good performers either. Some Vietnamese girls in the mix. Open 24 hours, though the highest number of ladies can be found in the afternoon and early evening. Short time can be had for as little as $10, but you get what you pay for. Plenty of short time rooms available withing a 1 minute walk. (1/5)

Golden Sorya Mall – Forget about the full real name. Moto and tuk tuks call it 'Sorya Mall'. Located on Street 51 across from a few bars and up the street from Walkabout and Blackcat. Very cheap beer available. Plenty of small bars and cafes open and close here on a weekly basis. Sit wherever you'd like. If you're male and alone, it won't be long before you're approached by one or more of the freelancers here. This place is not to my liking at all (too many drunken brawls, vehicle accidents, child beggars and sellers; and the women are mostly bottom of the barrel) but it has it's following. Some of the girls here have been kicked out of other places like Walkabout for whatever reason and many are on hard drugs. Keep that in mind and make your decisions accordingly. Action is available around the clock, though the highest number of ladies are there in the afternoon and evening. Short time available for as little as $10. Plenty of short time hotels in the immediate area. (1/5)

Martini's – A little far from most else. Any moto or tuk tuk will know the place. You certainly aren't going to want to walk there. It's a walled complex with outdoor seating, a movie projector, an outdoor bar, some pool tables, and a little dance hall. Surprisingly decent food. Lots of girls work here, starting to show up around 7 pm. Most of them are Vietnamese. More than a few are strung out on drugs. For the most part they are of a higher quality than Walkabout but still far from excellent. If you wait for them to come up to you, you'll usually get approached by the older girls and the hustlers. The prettier ones tend to wait to be approached. No need to buy them a drink. Just sit down with them or invite the ones you want to sit with you and negotiate the arrangement. They'll take you to a guest house about 200 meters up the street. The guest house charges $5 for the hour, and also sells terrible condoms if you forgot to bring your own. Short time runs $20-25. Girls may quote higher if they think they can get it, but will be happy for this amount. This is a very easy place to arrange a threesome, though don't expect the girls to interact much with each other. (2. 5/5)

Sharky's – This place has been around for years. Tell any moto or tuk tuk you want to go to 'Sha-Key Bar' and they'll know how to get you to this place on Street 130. Has a few pool tables (though not free) and decent food, often hosts live bands of varying quality. The wait staff has one or two cute girls, but not available unless you want to invest a lot of time in trying to date them. One or two freelancers show up here after 7 or 8 o'clock. I've never seen one I was interested in at all. (1/5)

Heart of Darkness – A disco on Street 51 right across from Sorya Mall. It's been outpaced by Pontoon, but still brings in plenty of people after midnight. Be careful. Not everyone here is looking for a foreigner to pay them for sex. Plenty of Cambodians just go for a night out. Music is loud enough to shake your teeth loose. Often a large gay contingent. Free entry. Short time should be $20-30. Long time no more than $50. (1. 5/5)

Pontoon – Now the main disco in Phnom Penh (with the possible exception of 2 or 3 discos like Golden on 130 where Barang are as rare as hen's teeth). Plenty of freelances are joined by working girls from bars all over the city and plenty of 'regular people' too. Not every girl is working. Many are not. Girls there with their boyfriends and even some working girls who go here to have fun may not appreciate your advances. Music isn't too loud. Drinks are expensive. Action starts at 12, supplemented by bar girls getting out of work from 1 to 3 am. Thursday night is gay night, but still girls around. Free entry unless primo Djs are there, then it's around $5 to enter. Short time $20-30. Long time $50 or less. (2. 5/5)

Nagaworld – The big casino near the Independence Monument. You can't miss it. Lots of freelancers inside, Khmer and Vietnamese. Not difficult to figure out which ones they are. Tend to speak a little better English, though not always. Short time for $25-50, depending on your negotiation skills. (2. 5/5)

Darling Darling – Upscale bar inside of Nagaworld. Expensive drinks and live music from Filipino band. Very well dressed Khmer women work as freelancers here in the evenings. Quite a few stunners. Higher prices asked as their main targets are cashed up Asian guys. Rates vary wildly, but figure on $50. $100. (3. 5/5)

IV. Street walkers.

What Phnom – All around the circle that surrounds the what and on side streets you'll see lots of girls standing around from dusk until late. Numerous reports of runners, robberies and even guys coming out of the shadows to mug those who stop and talk to the girls. Most customers are Khmer guys, not Barang. Bar girls love to tell cheap charlies to go here when they try to low ball them in negotiations. Some women standing around actually don't look bad at all, but you have to question why they work the streets with so many other options available. Haven't tried any and probably never will. (never tried / can't score)

Riverside – A few girls walk around or sit on benches. They will make eye contact with single guys and say hello, waiting for you to continue the conversation. Be warned that most women here are not working. This isn't Beach Road in Pattaya by any means. (0/5)

Street 106 – On the north side of the park between Norodom and Street 93 you'll see some women standing around after dark. Some gay guys and rough looking ladyboys too. Very shady stuff. Haven't tried and probably never will. (never tried / can't score)

V. Brothels.

Located on Street 63 between streets 178 and 214 and Street 80 between Rue de France and Sisowath Quay. Around $5 – 10 for no frills short time in a shanty. Probably the worst option in Phnom Penh, though I could be wrong. I have no experience. Rip offs and robberies reported. Let me know if I'm off base. (never tried / can't score)

VI. Massage.

Paris Hotel – A hotel on Kampuchea Krom (the main street leading West from Sar Thmei/'Central Market') at the intersection of Street 171. This hotel is of interest to guys here because there is a full service massage facility on the Third Floor. Enter the building and walk up and you'll be shown a lineup of maybe 2 dozen ladies in uniform. Lots of cute girls. No real masters of the art. Not much English either. A few hustlers. Few if any older women. Standard massage is followed by extra services which you negotiate directly with the girl. Price should be $25-40 depending on your negotiating skills. I don't know when they open and close, but it's always good for a visit during the afternoon or evening. (2. 5/5)

Sakura Hotel – A hotel on Street 242 between streets 55 and 59. Has a similar set up to Paris upstairs. Rates are also similar though the girls aren't as good looking. (2/5)

Yang Mey – Not the easiest place to find. Address is 28 Street 252 (between 63 and 93 ). There are about 2 dozen girls on the second floor, divided evenly between Khmer and Vietnamese (indicated by different colored badges). Plenty of good looking women offering full service. Performance is okay. $10 to the house. Negotiate the tip directly with the girl. $20 should cover it, but they may quote as much as $50 to start. Don't get ripped off. Open around noon – midnight. (3/5)

Soul Golden City – Yet another similar place offering full service. Located on Samdach Blvd, just after the intersection with Norodom (heading East). Look for the sign and horseshoe shaped building. Big selection of Khmer and Vietnamese girls. Standard $6 to the house then whatever you negotiate with the girl. Some of the super hot girls might ask for as much as $70 if they think they can get it. Guys who know better pay 20 or 30. (4/5)

Panda Massage – A massage parlor at the corner of streets 242 and 55. Staffed by a few Khmer girls who aren't great looking but aren't terrible looking either. In short: they get the job done. Opt for the oil massage at $8. Negotiate the hand finish directly with the girl. Usual tip is $10, and should include some play time with her titties. (3/5)

Sokun's Place – A massage parlor and saloon near Street 108 (just before the Night Market) on riverside. Staffed by a dozen Khmer girls, most of whom are around 20 years old, pretty, petite and light skinned. Get the oil massage for $7 (I think). Head upstairs. Negotiate directly with the girl for a hand finish. You have to be quiet and they will sometimes look around like they're afraid to do it, but it's a standard option. Most report giving a $10 tip, and that works, but you may have to negotiate. Some will try to start out as high as $30! Their tops don't come off. Open 11 am – 11 pm. Higher score just because most of the staff is attractive. (3. 5/5)

Paradise Massage – At least I think that's the name. It's a barber shop right across the street from Cyrcee, open during the day. Walk in and ask for a massage. An average Khmer girl will give you a rub down. Hand finish is available for a $10 tip. Closes early. (2/5)

Massage parlors around Street 80 & 84 – Several massage parlors on the riverside between streets 80 and 84 (after you pass what Phnom, but before the Japanese Friendship Bridge). $2. 50 for the oil massage, $5 tip for hand relief. Ladies shirts may come off if you ask and tip enough. Tip $3-$7. Haven't been, but have been told from a few sources. (haven't visited / no score)

Other massage parlors – They're are plenty of massage venues around town. You'll undoubtedly see them. Notable areas are Street 172, Street 110, Street 118, Street 49, riverside and Mao Tse Tung. If you opt for the oil massage and get fully nude, hand finish is usually on the menu. You may have to politely ask if it is. Negotiate directly with the girl. The ones directly on the river side will be more likely to ask for higher tips. Locations further away from river side will have lower prices. Oil massage should range from $2. $8. Tips should range from $5-$10. I've seen reports online that some places have girls too young to turn tricks working, so beware. I've personally never gotten a massage from anyone younger than 20. The parlors don't want to be known as rub and tugs so make sure you keep what happens between you and the lady who gives you the rub down. (scores vary)

Appendix I: Closed shops.

Sophie's – A grimy location known most for the sample blowjobs given to customers as they entered. Full service was available on premises for $10. Long gone.

Mikado – A few doors down and across the street from Cyrcee. Offered on premise full service. No longer around.

The Drunken Sponge – A hostess bar on 51 up from Pit Stop. Used to be open and closed sporadically, now appears to be closed for good.

Appendix II: More info needed.

Passions – A hostess bar somewhere on Street 63. Supposed to have lots of hot girls who wear pantyhose. Haven't found it. Where is it?

Nightlife Bar – Another hostess bar. Address is 9 Sothearos Boulevard, which I think puts it right around the intersection with Street 178. Saw an ad and the girls looked great, though those are often misleading. Any info?

DV8 – I don't know what this place is, but the ads I've seen lead me to believe it's another hostess bar. They mention 'new girls'. Located somewhere on Street 148. I think near Sar Kandal. Anyone know anything?

Secret's Cafe – Have seen this place referenced as being on Street 108 but have never found it. Any tips?

Voodoo Lounge – Another bar with ladies supposedly on 108 that I haven't found. What am I missing?

Red Bar – Another place I've heard about (supposedly around Street 110) but somehow never found. What's up? Is this the old name for what is now Domino Bar?

Italian Bar – I forget the name of the place, but it's something Italian-sounding like 'Ranzini'. It's a bar right around the corner from Cyrcee on Street 136 (next to the frozen yogurt shop). Always see it open and empty, with plenty of girls standing around outside. Never able to stop. Did this used to be 'Big Banana'? Any info?

Night Flight Bar – On the west side of Street 5 between streets 136 and 144. Never been inside. Anyone else?

Booties – Supposedly a hostess bar with VIP and karaoke rooms somewhere on 118. Anyone know anything about this?

White Bar – Forget the name, but there is a large, new bar between City Bar and Happy Man on Street 110 with a white face. Have seen attractive girls sitting outside plenty of times but have never been welcomed inside. Is this place aimed at the Japanese or what?

Vy Vy and White Moon – Two bars supposedly on 172. Haven't seen them, though to be honest I never really looked hard either. Any info?

White Lotus – A nice Japanese themed bar on the river side between streets 104 and 102. Big white sign, two door men, and tinted windows. Maybe 2 dozen really good looking girls sitting inside. Never see any customers. Any info on this place?

Japanese Style Club – That's actually the name. It's on the north side of Street 144, just east of Norodom. Some good looking women here. Any info?

Bars on streets 172 and 178 – There are some bars on these streets east of Street 51. They have tinted windows. Are these hostess bars or something aimed at Khmer guys?

Skirts Bar and The Sportsmans Bar – On 174 just east of 51. I know nothing about these places other than that they exist. Any info?

Howie Bar – A popular place on 51 near Sorya Mall. Supposedly lots of girls here. Maybe freelancers? Somehow I've never found this place, though to be honest I haven't looked very hard. Any info?

Big Cafe – There is a huge 'cafe' on the west side of Street 51 if you're traveling south from Sorya Mall toward BKK. There are tons of well dressed girls outside, apparently waiting for customers. I know that 'cafes' in Vietnam with pretty girls on staff often offer a lot more than coffee. Any details on this place?

Hot Toc / Barber shops – The south side of Kampuchea Krom near Sar Thmei is lined with a string of Vietnamese barber shops. I know you can get a cheap cut, shave, shampoo and ear cleaning at these places. But is there anything else? They all have a bunch of pretty Vietnamese women working in them. In Vietnam, barbershops with large female staffs are often places to get a blowjob, happy ending massage or even more. What about Cambodia?

More on site hotels and massage – I've seen lots of hotels and big flashy massage places that look promising, some over around Martini. Anyone know anything? How about all the massage parlors in the north end of the circle around what Phnom that say 'Open 24 Hours'? Who needs a massage at 4:31 am? I think there's something up. Am I right?

Lone Brothers – Across from Walkabout, said to be some ladies here. Owned by a motorcycle club but must want other customers since they advertise the place. Any info?

KTV's – Plenty of big gaudy ones around that are more for big rollers, but also lots of small ones with Vietnamese girls sitting outside (like on Street 118, Street 136, and some side streets). I've been told they'll come in and sing with you, maybe more, but I've never entered. Details welcomed!

Beer Gardens – Outdoor drinking areas are all over the city. But apparently at some the wait staff will sit with you, and maybe go out with you if you strike a deal. Locations are over the Japanese Friendship Bridge and around Koh Pich. Any more info?

[Sir Lancelot]

After living here for a little while, I've compiled my notes in an attempt to give a run down of what is available and what it's like. I wish I would have had something like this when I started out, though after doing it I understand why someone wouldn't want to spend the time. I say this is an attempt, because as Appendix II shows, there are plenty of places I still don't know enough about to include a review.Exceptional report. I only wish you'd posted it a few months earlier so I could have read it before my trip. I'm going to have revisit Phnom Penh and it's all your fault.

Thanks

[JohnTheMatress]

Thanks. I hope it will be useful to some.

Here's an update. After visiting yesterday, I'm happy to announce that the new owners of Plan B on 51 have hired a large number of new girls. Some of them are young and very beautiful. Take note however that at least a few of them are virgins who only work for lady drinks.

Hopefully we can keep this up to date as much as possible.

[Member #4698]

Outstanding post, John. I just happened to have booked my next trip to Phnom Penh a couple of days ago. So naturally, I am looking forward to going back to my favorite bars from past trips like Colonial Bar, Zanzi Bar, Rose Bar, Lemon Bar, & Cyrcee and seeing if any of my sexy little friends are still around. And now after reading your summary, I think I will try to check out a few of the recommended bars on your list too like Top Ten, Oasis, Sizzlers and Red Fox that are new to me. That's probably more than I can cover in 5 days, but I will give it a go. I am also curious about the "well dressed" Khmer 'stunners working Darling Darling in Naga World. I have heard about them before, but I never went there. I will have to give them a look/see. Thanks.

[Zack81]

Great stuff John! I'm going to Phnom Pehn for the very first time in a couple of weeks and your post will be very helpful. One question: I'm more into Vietnamese girls than Khmer girls. Is Darling and Martinis the place to go for good looking Vietnamese girls or are there other places with majority of Vietnamese?

Thanks a lot!

[DingoD]

Awesome detailed and informative report. Ill be back in PP for the month of August and this report has got me pretty damn excited. Now. Let me help you just a little, nowhere near the level that your report will help the first time monger to PP, but just a few answers to your questions. Voodoo is bang between Golden Vine and Zapata. They are literally all in a row. So as you said, French restaurant on the corner (La Marmite) , then Golden Vine, Voodoo and Zapata. As for Voodoo, used to be a favourite of mine when I was in PP, relaxed, about 10 Khmer all girl staff, from average to stunners and barfines all avaiable besides the cashier- good service fun bar, cheap drinks and a good pool table. Howies is right nextdoor to Heart Of Darkness. Basically between HOD and is that new biggish hotel called the Newcastle Hotel. Anyways Howies when I have dropped in for beers is generally dead with little to no girl action. That said, I like it for a chilled beer, as in its close to everything without the stress. NayNayStar sounds like a good place for me as I will be with the Mrs, but she will go off and do things with her friends so I can find time to play in the day. As long as I don't bump into any of her friends at any of the places I like to frequent. Hmmmm-I am so keen to get back to Cycree, you know exactly what you are going to get and the girls give pretty good.

Happy Punting,

Dingo

[Mackin]

Really appreciate you takng the time to put this report together. I will be visiting in Sept and this does help even though I have been there before. Will update on the places after I return and hopefully add new information.

[Titanio]

Great stuff John! I'm going to Phnom Pehn for the very first time in a couple of weeks and your post will be very helpful. One question: I'm more into Vietnamese girls than Khmer girls. Is Darling and Martinis the place to go for good looking Vietnamese girls or are there other places with majority of Vietnamese? Thanks a lot!In street 118 pass the Island Bar on left hand side when walking from River side and next 2 blocks have a couple of Viet style bars with even possible action on site.

[JohnTheMatress]

where to find vietnamese girls:

cathouse on 118/51 has the best looking ones but you have to put in work. city bar on 110 has the best looking ones who will easily barfine. they'll go 25 short time.

vietnamese freelancers can be found in martini's in good numbers. some look average or better, but things often change when you get under the neon lights in the guest house and start taking off clothes. there are also quite a few in nagaworld who look okay. walkabout and sorya mall have some, but in my opinion usually not very good.

i forgot to mention one more place that should have gone under "independent locations."

golden boss. this is on the east side of riverside (sisowath quay) where it meets street 94. it's aimed more toward khmer guys and maybe chinese and koreans than barang, but you're welcome to visit. it's a lot different than the normal hostess bars. a number of khmer women, some of whom are extremely beautiful, get all dressed up and wait for customers. the special thing is that they sing and do an old fashion style of dancing that is something to see, especially since there is a small orchestra playing the music! and what's more, they are all available! a little more cultured. they probably won't [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the shower or spit food on the floor like some of the others will. expect to pay around $50 for a go with one, but you have to negotiate with the girl directly.

and i can update a little more.

the "italian bar" mentioned in appendix ii is called zambezi, which of course is not an italian name but an african one, from the big river in africa. it has four khmer girls of average looks who are friendly. they all barfine. i'm guessing it's owned by a malaysian if the flags are any indication. (2/5)

will continue to add on as i discover enough to do an updated version. any contributions are greatly appreciated!

[Phil Istine]

a couple of corrections to johns lisf. the sakura massage is long gone, its now a boutique hotel called teahouse. and just this week the paris was busted, the two owners arrested and 35 women rescued. no doubt the women will be raped and then extorted for money to be released.

[AussieGuy100]

i forgot to mention one more place that should have gone under "independent locations."

golden boss. this is on the east side of riverside (sisowath quay) where it meets street 94. it's aimed more toward khmer guys and maybe chinese and koreans than barang, but you're welcome to visit. it's a lot different than the normal hostess bars. a number of khmer women, some of whom are extremely beautiful, get all dressed up and wait for customers. the special thing is that they sing and do an old fashion style of dancing that is something to see, especially since there is a small orchestra playing the music! and what's more, they are all available! a little more cultured. they probably won't [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the shower or spit food on the floor like some of the others will. expect to pay around $50 for a go with one, but you have to negotiate with the girl directly.are you sure golden boss is still open? there was a shooting there several months ago and the place got closed down. when i last checked two weeks ago, it was still closed. i had heard rumours that it had opened in a new location nearby, but despite driving around in a tuk tuk for a while, i couldn't find it.

i agree, it was a great place, something different from the usual hostess bars. if anyone does know where it has moved to, please let me know!

[Matt Navan Man]

The Drunken Sponge – A hostess bar on 51 up from Pit Stop. Used to be open and closed sporadically, now appears to be closed for good.

Italian Bar – I forget the name of the place, but it's something Italian-sounding like 'Ranzini'. It's a bar right around the corner from Cyrcee on Street 136 (next to the frozen yogurt shop). Always see it open and empty, with plenty of girls standing around outside. Never able to stop. Did this used to be 'Big Banana'? Any info?Great report, thanks. The Drunken Sponge is now a (mostly English) expat hangout, you're more likely to meet a journalist there than a working girl these days though. Zambezi was indeed called Banana Bar in the good old days. At a time when internet didn't really work here they had it sorted along with great food and great girls. Perfect combination.

[On The Road]

Long time ago I went to California 2 hotel on riverside, this was a good place in a good location.

Anybody could advice about this hotel? Is ithis still a nice place, nice location, clean and girl friendly? Any advice or similar alternatives?

Thanks.

[AussieGuy100]

Johnthematress wrote "DV8 – I don't know what this place is, but the ads I've seen lead me to believe it's another hostess bar. They mention 'new girls'. Located somewhere on Street 148. I think near Sar Kandal. Anyone know anything?

Secret's Cafe – Have seen this place referenced as being on Street 108 but have never found it. Any tips?

Voodoo Lounge – Another bar with ladies supposedly on 108 that I haven't found. What am I missing?"

DV8 is in Street 144 near Kandal Market. Until recently it was on its last legs, but I went there two weeks ago and it has come alive again with about 12 girls, some very attractive. About half will go with customers. A few look very young. Worth a visit.

Voodoo Lounge on Street 108 just next to Zapata Bar, has been closed for over a year. It used to be a very popular bar. The current American owner has been re-furnishing it very slowly. He also owns a mobile bar built onto a trailer, complete with seats, music and two girls. It's sometimes seen on Street 136.

Secret's cafe was on the other side of Zapata Bar on Street 108. It specialised in young skinny girls and had a weird interior with a mannequin sitting at one of the tables. It then became Enigma Bar and has just changed ownership but kept its name. The new owners are big bike lovers, so expect a few Harleys outside if you visit.

[Arikara]

Thanks for the list John. Going to S. E. A. For the first time mid-August and this list will come in handy for the couple days I spend in Phnom Penh (going for 3 months but 2 months will be at Koh Tao doing Muay Thai, rest of the time will be backpacking / mongering).

[Titanio]

Long time ago I went to California 2 hotel on riverside, this was a good place in a good location.

Anybody could advice about this hotel? Is ithis still a nice place, nice location, clean and girl friendly? Any advice or similar alternatives?

Thanks.Depend on when you visited it, at the lod location close to the Palace or the latest location close to street 102. It was OK at the old location but today it is very much an inner circle hotel. If you do not belong to the regulars you can easy get the impresion that you are not really welcome. At the current location I only stayed once when just opened and on my last trip I only had lunch twice, which was OK. Food at Pickled Parrot in Street 104 or at the Green Vespa is better. Rooms are clean, it is girl friendly but all regulars will stare at you when U-turn up with a girl, ask for the key and have to go the long walk all along the bar to the stairs. If you don't mind it is still at a very good location, but there are similar and better options around.

[Montecristo]

John, I really liked your report, its rare to see such an extensive information.

I just wanted to make a point on those 3 places, probably they were better some years ago, but I still see them as classics, and last year it was there and not in any other place I found my girls, its true in Walkabout most of the are in the loew end, but for those living near 51 Street, it a real comodity to be able to go there at almost any hour of the day.

1/5 on Martini and Walkabout was really harsh in my opinion, but of course its your report.

[JohnTheMatress]

1/5 on martini and walkabout was really harsh in my opinion, but of course its your report.sorry, the quality just isn't there. most (walkabout) /many (martini) are on par with what you find in the streetwalkers of a western country. i did give walkabout a 1, but i gave martini a 2. 5 for the ease of picking up women. of course it's just my opinion. these places continue to have customers. i'd rather spend the same or a little more for a big increase in looks and safety.


dv8 is in street 144 near kandal market. until recently it was on its last legs, but i went there two weeks ago and it has come alive again with about 12 girls, some very attractive. about half will go with customers. a few look very young. worth a visit...great! thanks. explains why i didn't see a few of these places. turns out i have passed dv8 before, just never entered. when you say "across the street" you mean on the north side of the park? enigma is the another place i've been looking for.


the drunken sponge is now a (mostly english) expat hangout, you're more likely to meet a journalist there than a working girl these days though. zambezi was indeed called banana bar in the good old days. at a time when internet didn't really work here they had it sorted along with great food and great girls. perfect combination.more useful info. thanks! will add to a future update.


are you sure golden boss is still open? there was a shooting there several months ago and the place got closed down. when i last checked two weeks ago, it was still closed. i had heard rumours that it had opened in a new location nearby, but despite driving around in a tuk tuk for a while, i couldn't find it.

i agree, it was a great place, something different from the usual hostess bars. if anyone does know where it has moved to, please let me know!no, i'm not. you'd know better than i would. i haven't been there for a few months. i don't have a ton of money so i'm on a slow rotation with my visits to these sorts of places. i didn't hear about the shooting. that's a real shame.


a couple of corrections to johns lisf. the sakura massage is long gone, its now a boutique hotel called teahouse. and just this week the paris was busted, the two owners arrested and 35 women rescued. no doubt the women will be raped and then extorted for money to be released.that hurts. haven't been by sakura for age so didn't know. didn't hear about paris either. any news links? didn't see any mention in the cd, which is unfortunately my main source of news here. the paris has been around for a long time. maybe it will reoopen after the elections?


in street 118 pass the island bar on left hand side when walking from river side and next 2 blocks have a couple of viet style bars with even possible action on site.you mean the ktv "cafes" with private rooms? always see a few viet women sitting outside these places at night. i would really love any more info on these places, locations, how they work. i'm sure i'm not alone. always looking for something new! still looking for info on vietnamese barbershops too if anyone has it.


voodoo is bang between golden vine and zapata. they are literally all in a row. so as you said, french restaurant on the corner (la marmite) , then golden vine, voodoo and zapatathat is helpful. aussieguy says the place is closed, which would explain why i only ever saw two bars there instead of three.


howies is right nextdoor to heart of darkness. basically between hod and is that new biggish hotel called the newcastle hotel. anyways howies when i have dropped in for beers is generally dead with little to no girl action. that said, i like it for a chilled beer, as in its close to everything without the stress.after the hotel the only thing i ever see is an alley going back to some khmer apartments. after that it's the hotdog stand and then heart of dark. what am i missing? does this place have freelancers or its own hostess staff?


naynaystar sounds like a good place for me as i will be with the mrs, but she will go off and do things with her friends so i can find time to play in the dayit definitely is. try it out. i bet you'll like it!

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more updates (once i get enough new info, i'll update the whole listing again) :

red bar. yes, my assumption was correct. this is now domino, already reviewed.

moepara. it is indeed closed. some of the staff ended up on street 172 at another japanese bar (sorry, don't know the name).

nightflight. average sized bar. maybe a dozen khmer girls. average in looks. some less than. friendly enough. most will barfine. (1. 5/5)

hooters. definitely open. i guess they were just closed the day i went past for some reason. may have even been too early.

anyone know of any reliable oral performers? probably one of the worst things about living here is the general lack of skill in that regard. thinking of taking a holiday just to get some deep throat!

[On The Road]

Depend on when you visited it, at the lod location close to the Palace or the latest location close to street 102. It was OK at the old location but today it is very much an inner circle hotel. If you do not belong to the regulars you can easy get the impresion that you are not really welcome. At the current location I only stayed once when just opened and on my last trip I only had lunch twice, which was OK. Food at Pickled Parrot in Street 104 or at the Green Vespa is better. Rooms are clean, it is girl friendly but all regulars will stare at you when U-turn up with a girl, ask for the key and have to go the long walk all along the bar to the stairs. If you don't mind it is still at a very good location, but there are similar and better options around.Thanks Titanio, for sure I went there in the old location around 10 years ago. Maybe is time to look for similar and better options around. Any suggestion?

Thanks again.

OTR

[AskeAske]

Thanks Titanio, for sure I went there in the old location around 10 years ago. Maybe is time to look for similar and better options around. Any suggestion?

Thanks again.

OTRCalifornia2 is a nice little hotel. Very friendly staff. Nice bar, where there is always someone to talk to. Are open 24/7. I was in PP first time in March this year. I felt very welcome. There are many regulars who are open to new guests. They can give advice about the city, etc.

California2 owner, Jim, knows everything about Cambodia. Check out his home page.

Very GF.

[GooberMonger]

a couple of corrections to johns lisf. the sakura massage is long gone, its now a boutique hotel called teahouse. and just this week the paris was busted, the two owners arrested and 35 women rescued. no doubt the women will be raped and then extorted for money to be released.problem with the paris is it's under new management as local mongers know and they weren't paying for their tea. so as any bar owner knows in this town you don't pay you don't play.

cheers

[AskeAske]

I am a newbie in mongering. I had a fantastic trip to Cambodia in March / April this year.

PP is very overwhelming. The first days I was around in a different bars near the river. As a newbie, I had a hard time taking a girl home.

After a few days it went better.

First attempt: asked a tuktuk driver for a place with massage and bumbum. He drove me to a fishbowl with very young Vietnamese girls. I chose the one that seemed to be 18 years. Paid $ 25 upfront (stupid me).

She started the massage. It seemed a little strange and noisy lot. It was to her pimp could open the door and list in and steal my bag with money, passports etc. (stupid me). Fortunately I discovered him and got out of bed and after him and my bag. He dropped the bag and ran away. I went back to the room. Shortly after we started bombom. Very bad experience. She only wanted the missionaries, no BJ, etc. The $ 25 was lost and I went of without shoot. She was maybe trafficing girls. I will never go to a similar place.

Next attempt: I wanted to go out and drink. Asked on my moto driver I had to go. He recommended Walkabout ("cheap beer, nice girls). Beer was cheap, but there were not so many nice girls. After a few beers, I went to Shanghai with a couple of guys I had met in Walkabout.

In Shanghai there were many nice girls and still cheap beer. Nice place. It proved just that many of the girls would not go home with customers. Skip to next place.

We went to Sorya Mall. There were several bars, many girls, etc. Nice place. I was a little drunk, but enjoyed dancing, talking and drinking.

I met a nice girl. We danced and drank. Late in the night I took her back to my hotel. She wanted $ 20 for bombom. Ok with me.

We took a shower and went to work. After 5 min. She ask: are you coming now. Gave here for 5 dollars and threw her out.

Two attempts and no succes.

Next day, I met an Englishman who was on visarun from Thailand. He explained to me about BF, bars, etc.

Third attempt: now I got succes. Meet a nice bargirl on street 104, ! 0 dollar BF. 40 dollar LT. Great experience.

I traveled for 3 weeks in Cambodia and had a fantastic experience.

When I got home I discovered ISG and read and read. If only I had read them before. Next time I will try to travel I will be better prepared.

[Titanio]

Thanks Titanio, for sure I went there in the old location around 10 years ago. Maybe is time to look for similar and better options around. Any suggestion?

Thanks again.

OTRFor the bar and food I think the Pickled Parrot in Street 104 is way better. Unfortunately the rooms at this venue, TonLeSap guesthouse are a little rundown. Bad aircon, noisy but no cooling (that was a year ago). For the rest spotless clean, absolutely GF and 18 dollars a night. New is the Pillar hotel on corner of Street 102 and River side. Great small hotel for 35 dollar including a perfect breakfast. GF, spacious rooms with seats and desk and excellent WiFi all over the place. Includes a balcony to share with 2 other rooms at same floor. I will definitely book this hotel again when returning in August.

[GooberMonger]

I am a newbie in mongering. I had a fantastic trip to Cambodia in March / April this year.

First attempt: asked a tuktuk driver for a place with massage and bumbum. He drove me to a fishbowl with very young Vietnamese girls. I chose the one that seemed to be 18 years. Paid $ 25 upfront (stupid me).

She started the massage. It seemed a little strange and noisy lot. It was to her pimp could open the door and list in and steal my bag with money, passports etc. (stupid me). Fortunately I discovered him and got out of bed and after him and my bag. He dropped the bag and ran away. I went back to the room. Shortly after we started bombom. Very bad experience. She only wanted the missionaries, no BJ, etc. The $ 25 was lost and I went of without shoot. She was maybe trafficing girls. I will never go to a similar place.Aske, sorry about your mishap. Your lucky you got your stuff back. A little advice when your out mongering; don't carry your passport, get photocopies made of it and your Visa and carry them as you will need them to rent a room in most cases. Don't carry your wallet and other I'd I. E. DL, birth certificate, SIN card. Don't wear any jewelry that you care about. Only carry enough cash that you can afford to lose or spend that day / night.

This doesn't just apply to Cambodia; it's a good rule of thumb for most countries. Even countries in Europe.

Happy mongering,

Cheers

[Ruban]

Hey,

First message for me I think. Thanks Sir Lancelot for your reports, as well as John for your complete list. Am in Phnom Penh right now, here's a little feedback on what happened to me, while following your advice.


Problem with the Paris is it's under new management as local mongers know and they weren't paying for their tea. So as any bar owner knows in this town you don't pay you don't play.

CheersJust went to Paris Hotel yesterday for a noon massage. Took a tuk tuk (pronounce Pari Hotel with no "s" as that's the way French guys name their city) , walked up the reception. Said I was recommended massages from this hotel. Receptionist's face becomes dark : no, no massage. I kindly ask if it's for hotel residents only, and she asnwered me "we don't do massage anymore, closed". Bad call. My tuktuk had asked me if I wanted him to stay. Next time I say yes. Why? Because in June, when it rains, it rains. Got soaked catching a new one. Did the classic (but voluntary) mistake to ask a Phnom Penh tuktuk driver to find me a massage place.

He took me to Hotel Luxury (near the Norodom / street 200) crossing. Big hotel. Room is 10$. You walk up the stairs to the left, one floor, two floors. Reach an old grumpy mamasan who shows you the girls in some kind of a sauna box. I understood the concept of fishbowl at that moment. Took and°64, paid for the room, and massage started. She asked me to keep my underwear. Massage starts. Ok. 25y ol blond vietnamese called "niay". Very smiling. No english but "hello" and "good?".

After 45 minutes, she starts to insists where it feels good. She takes off my shorts. I ask her to wait a minute. I don't like having to negociate before, as it usually turns me down, though I will never ask for the price after. Good thing, as she started at 70. You start high? I start low. I'm not a big negociator, though I managed to reach the 30$ rate. And it's still kind of expensive, as she was cute, but nothing more.

I have to admit this girl knew what she was doing. She didn't kiss, but it was a good thing as I would kiss where she put her tongue in.

Classic tourist afternoon, and after a long walk, need to rest a bit. Wanted to meet a western friend in his HQ bar, though Sunday was the only day it was closed. Headed to 136, where it took me about 5 minutes to choose between Oasis and Lemon. I was just standing between both bars, and as the rain season (on a rainy night) doesn't bring many customers, I assisted to some kind of contest to bring me in. It was kind of fun to watch actually. It looks basically like "which bargirls will shout the loudest with I love you's and I'm good girl). While encouraging them, I was checking girls one by one, and my eyes stopped on Bania (Banya?) from Lemon. Walked on the Lemon. Got friendly bood by Oasis girl, to which I said "maybe tomorrow" and the boos turned into a yeaaah. Bania was really beautiful. I'm not really familiar with grades out of 10, but for me, she was one. Typical dark skinned Cambodian face, soft skin, cute face, big hair. Hadn't seen her chest. Oh my. Had a couple of drinks, for me and for her.

As I had been reading a lot here, I remembered girls didn't go with any guys, so I decided to be nice. And that was another mistake. I'm not a big chatter. I had been through a couple of bars before, but for some reason, I don't feel that comfortable, especially when there are 6 girls around me, and the least attractive talk to me. I hate pressure drink things too, it inhibits me. With Bania, it was nicer, though I don't know how to be nice to a girl except by showing her how much I like her. You do that, they know they can get more out of you. After the second drink, I ask her if she wants to go with me. She wanted a third drink. Said no twice, and when I went to the restroom, I saw 2 glasses on the counter. Dammit. Took them anyway.

Barfine was 10$.3 gin & tonic with 3 lady drinks 28. Took the girl home, I couldn't have less than 50. Under was like an insult. Good business woman. I wanted her. Took her home. She was really beautiful, but once inside the room, she started to say she was shy. I took the lead, took care of her, she was playing the submissive thing. 20 minutes after foreplay finished, she said I was hurting her and that she would finish me with the hand. I didn't like that. Though I was still so hot, I accepted with a non-smile. When she left, I gave her only 40. She asked me why. I explained kindly. She was not happy about it, but as she promised good service, she left, obviously not-so-happy but it looks like she understood. When I see prices you talk about, I think she knew she made nice money on me.

Going to 104 tonight. Thanks again for the advices.

[AskeAske]

Aske, sorry about your mishap. Your lucky you got your stuff back. A little advice when your out mongering; don't carry your passport, get photocopies made of it and your Visa and carry them as you will need them to rent a room in most cases. Don't carry your wallet and other I'd I. E. DL, birth certificate, SIN card. Don't wear any jewelry that you care about. Only carry enough cash that you can afford to lose or spend that day / night.

This doesn't just apply to Cambodia; it's a good rule of thumb for most countries. Even countries in Europe.

Happy mongering,

Cheers.Thank you for advice. On my second and third attempt I only had cash money with me. I also had a business card from my hotel.

Rest off money, credit card, passport was I the safe in my room.

Next time I will take a copy of my passport with me.

[GooberMonger]

Went out Thursday night not too far from my place along 2004 ST. Where it runs along the East end of the airport. There has to be 30+ KTVs and Beer Gardens, excellent selection of girls. Got myself a real cutie $30 ST, but before that got a room with special buy a case of beer $50 and the room was free.

The three of us had 6 girls (hostesses) with us singing, then after several beers took the girl I liked the best ST back to drink some more beers and some food, great area tons of fresh meat, one of the girls that was partying with us was still cherry, never even kissed a guy before, (got her number) working on it.

Anyway had lots of really fun girls all over me, because it's not a Barang area, all K'mai, and Asian customers. I really feel bad for a lot of guys that come to PP and just do the regular circuit around the Central Market, Street 51 and East of there.

I have a couple advantages, I can speak K'mai (Cambodian) and have some upper class Khmer friends.

Anyway what you can do is hire a driver (translator) and hook up with another guy or two, then go check it out, because right now you really are missing out. These girls don't go with a lot of guys. Most of the time they just get tips for singing with customers, oh they have English songs too. The girls keep your beer glass full and will feed you too, along with fixing that kink in your neck. You'll feel like a King and if not you need to get some new girls and mamason will help you out.

The girls really do make a big fuss over Barangs, it might be a little expensive our bill with ST, KTV room. 24 beer, food and tips was $150, which I didn't think was too bad, but my friends thought it was expensive, that's because they got a case of ABC beer and it was $70. I was drinking Angkor, but if you don't drink all the beer you take what you don't drink with you.

So for something completely different giver a go. Maybe I should start a business taking mongers out for a different experience?

Cheers

[Cowboy Brew]

II. On Site Facilities

NayNay Star – This is a large guest house with a big bar, pool table and food. Open 24 hours. Pool table and food are okay. There are many Khmer girls working here, but you won't usually see a lot together in the bar at once. They go out, go upstairs with customers and sleep. Depending on when you enter, you may see up to 10. The girls range a great deal, from 20 years old to approaching 40, dark skin to light skin, from slim and pretty to old and fat. You should be able to find something you like. Buy the one you like a drink or two then ask if you can go upstairs. Be careful with a few of the girls who push aggressively for drinks. Cost for the room and to pay the house fee is $12 if I remember correctly. Negotiate directly with the girl for her end privately. It should be no more than $30 short time, usually less. Long time is available. Motodops and tuk tuks pronounce the place 'nie nie' (rhymes with 'eye, eye') if they know it. If they don't know it, tell them to take you to street 102. It's in the middle of the street. You can't miss it. (2. 5/5) A fantastic write-up indeed. I used to work there for over a year and explored the nightlife scene after twice or thrice every week. For your descriptions of the place that has been around during my time, you are virtually spot-on. Your observation is direct, frank and cut through the bullshit, especially about CATHOUSE and SHANGHAI. Keep on writing and contributing. Cheers.

[PussyFeelsGood]

. The girls keep your beer glass full and will feed you too, along with fixing that kink in your neck. You'll feel like a King and if not you need to get some new girls and mamason will help you out.You do realize this is standard practice at any KTV right? They keep filling your beer so that you will buy more or run out because once you are out they will ask you to leave.

[GooberMonger]

You do realize this is standard practice at any KTV right? They keep filling your beer so that you will buy more or run out because once you are out they will ask you to leaveThe girls job is to keep your beer full and I have seen your point in some low class places that never want return business, but I put in my report that we bought 24 cans of beer up front and the room was free for 2 hours. It's a special package that most KTVs have. The room is $6 an hour after that. Sorry if I didn't make things more clear and yes there are some places that practice what you said, but it's up to you how fast you drink your beer.

I've lived in PP for 8 years and yes seen most of the scams, but if the place would not be wise to scam my friends or me if they wish to stay in business. That or they would be serving up more tea than all the other KTVs in the area.

Thanks for your in put PFG always good to let other that are new to town on the scams that some places are running.

Cheers

[Phil Istine]

Crikey goober. The KTVs sound like fun but too expensive, surely. Plenty of nice girls to be had at cheaper venues. Khmer men like to show off by throwing their ill gotten gains around, I don't like their arrogance. I much prefer the honest barang punter who usually has much more respect for the women as well. Khmer culture is pretty, bloody awful.

For rich Khmers their own family are sacred andthe children deserve the best of everything but those poor people deserve no respect and we will gladly fuck their daughters.

[GooberMonger]

Crikey goober. The KTVs sound like fun but too expensive, surely. Plenty of nice girls to be had at cheaper venues. Khmer men like to show off by throwing their ill gotten gains around, I don't like their arrogance. I much prefer the honest barang punter who usually has much more respect for the women as well. Khmer culture is pretty, bloody awful.

For rich Khmers their own family are sacred andthe children deserve the best of everything but those poor people deserve no respect and we will gladly fuck their daughters.I agree Phil about the Khmer elite, my Khmer friends are more like western middle class and don't have those types of treats. They're family men and for being Khmer they are pretty respectful of women.

But yes women are not seen as equals to men for the most part in Khmer Culture, their dogs get more respect. It's also why I said maybe I should start a business to show Westerners another part of PP that they don't see.

Yes there are cheaper venues, Beer Gardens are much cheaper, but again you need to be able to speak K'mai.

I have been out with my friend and his boss, who the girls were all over him and then when he left he threw a $50 bill to each one of the girls sitting with him, that type of arrogance turns me off too and other behaviour that you know.

On my street I know all my neighbours and in most of their homes the wives rule the roost, but also just about everyone of the men have mistresses.

I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few Khmer men out there that are decent guys.

I'm hoping too that on here I can meet some local punters to hang out with. My best friend that taught me a lot and lived in SEA passed away a few years back. He died from mesothelioma, which was a real shock to me, because he was a fitness nut and was a really well built guy. He sure didn't look like a man in his 60s. Doesn't really matter how fit you are cancer can still take you. RIP Bob gone but never forgotten.

Cheers

[Wendella]

Maybe some of you guys who have spent time there can let us know how some of the Khmer guys are so bad with the girls, like what are some examples of their typically bad behavior. It seems like you're alluding to it in a way where you guys both have some idea of what you're talking about but those of us here who don't have connections to the local scene (we're tourists, basically, don't know locals who would take us out to places) are in the dark about that side of things. The scenes there kind of funnel us tourists toward the foreiger-oriented places (streets 104, 136, Martini, etc.) , so it's rare we would see the for-locals places or how the Khmer guys behave there or afterward when with the girl alone.

[Wendella]

There's some member up here Goobermonger who keeps mentioning that he speaks K'mai. I've always heard it called Khmer, which I've heard used to refer to the people (so a synonym of Cambodian) whether there in Cambodia or outside Cambodia (there's Khmer minorites in Vietnam for example) , or the language. This is the first time I've seen it called K'mai. You keep using that term repeatedly, so I guess it's intentional. Then again the spell checker on this forum is pretty aggressive, so it could be that too.

[The Wookie]

Hi all,

I'm planning my virgin trip to Cambodia. I have about 4 days there before going back to Thailand so I and plan to do PP one day, (taking Air Asia from DM) , then SR for 2 days to see Angkor what and then the last day / night back in PP.

A couple of questions which I couldn't find on the forum, or maybe missed them;

- Is the road between PP to SR really that bad or is it smooth freeway. In other words, would I get there much faster if I hired a car instead of a public bus?

- Or is it better to fly from PP to SR and how much would that cost?

- Is Cambodia cheaper than Thailand for buying Anti-Biotics, Viagra, Cialis and all that stuff? Easy to get?

- Any recommendations for good places to stay with indoor safe and wifi in PP and SR?

- Where are the latest P4P hotspots? Any recommendations?

Thank you and hope to do a nice TR once back.

Wookie.

[ArisCasa]

3 of us are planning a trip across Siem reap, PP and HCMC and back to BKK. Fellow Forumers could you advvise if July / August is a good time to travel weatherwide? Is it rainy season in these months?

Thanks

[AussieDoug]

Hi all,

A couple of questions which I couldn't find on the forum, or maybe missed them;

- Is Cambodia cheaper than Thailand for buying Anti-Biotics, Viagra, Cialis and all that stuff? Easy to get?

Wookie.Most drugs are cheaper in Cambodia, they have to be, the locals have less money, so if the price is lower they sell more. Copy Viagra made in India is $4. 30 for 10 X 50mg, cheaper than anywhere else and it works. Name is VeeTab, a pharmacy (a real one with a pharmacist) is U Care Pharmacy, their main shop is Sihanouk Branch. 39 Sihanouk Blvd, phone is 23 224 099, if you stay a while they will give you a a little card and then 5% discount.

[GooberMonger]

There's some member up here Goobermonger who keeps mentioning that he speaks K'mai. I've always heard it called Khmer, which I've heard used to refer to the people (so a synonym of Cambodian) whether there in Cambodia or outside Cambodia (there's Khmer minorites in Vietnam for example) , or the language. This is the first time I've seen it called K'mai. You keep using that term repeatedly, so I guess it's intentional. Then again the spell checker on this forum is pretty aggressive, so it could be that too.Hi Wendella, I use K'mai all the time, because I can speak Cambodian. Khmer is not a Cambodian word. It's English or French most likely to describe Cambodians and the language. It can be used when speaking Cambodian, but Cambodians say,"K'mai" to describe the people and language.

The other thing I wanted to address was you had some question about Cambodian men's behaviour, personally I have never seen anything that is that much out of the ordanary for Asia culture in general towards women and their behaviour towards tourist is different, they are very polite, friendly and respectful.

There is a gap in all Asian countries or most between men and women, I think India has shown lately a lot lower classed culture than Cambodia. I can name some other cultures in Asia that are worse where beating women and other terrible things are acceptable in their cultures, but I'm not going to through stones, because I live in a glass house and I just in general think it's wrong to say someones culture is so bad, when my own culture went through a time that things they did I'm not so proud of.

In my past 8 years living in Cambodia I have almost always had a good time when at a wedding, KTV, bar, etc. Only exception might have been an overly friendly really drunk person spilling their drink on me while trying to hug me and tell me how much he likes me and other Barangs.

I can agree with Phil, because I've been here long enough to see some of the other side. I doubt very much any tourist will ever see it and I've seen worse in other countries.

If the culture was that bad I'd be living in Thailand or the Philippines, not to say their cultures are any better or worse, but Cambodia is safer statistically speaking.

Don't hate the players and if you hate the game don't play.

Hope that helps, if not PM me, with anything I might not have explained clearly. Thank you.

Cheers.

Here's a little Cambodian Culture for you all to get into.

[The Wookie]

Most drugs are cheaper in Cambodia, they have to be, the locals have less money, so if the price is lower they sell more. Copy Viagra made in India is $4. 30 for 10 X 50mg, cheaper than anywhere else and it works. Name is VeeTab, a pharmacy (a real one with a pharmacist) is U Care Pharmacy, their main shop is Sihanouk Branch. 39 Sihanouk Blvd, phone is 23 224 099, if you stay a while they will give you a a little card and then 5% discount.Thanks AussieDoug, I guess I'll also stack up on anti-biotics and anti-viral meds like acyclovir and such then. The prices youquoted for VeeTab is 60% cheaper than in Thailand.

[PussyFeelsGood]

Wookie take a minivan, there are signs up all over the place or ask your hotel, will only be a couple dollars more than a bus but will get you there much faster.

Car will be much more expensive.

[The Wookie]

Wookie take a minivan, there are signs up all over the place or ask your hotel, will only be a couple dollars more than a bus but will get you there much faster.

Car will be much more expensive.Good idea! Thanks.

So far checked two.

-Get minivan.

-Buy cheap (er) drugs

[Wendella]

Well, sometimes you say you're aware of bad things done by the Cambodian guys, but here you say you haven't seen it. I think it'd be ok to say what you've heard happens but haven't seen yourself.

This whole thing of not being able to criticize someone of another culture, doesn't really work for me. Sure your culture did some terrible things in the past, and probably even now. But you have the right to criticize those of course, if you don't it won't ever change. And back in the day when slavery was rife, in those days there were Americans who were very outspoken against slavery, others who thought it was none of their business, and others who were in favor of it. Would you have been one of the guys who thought it was none of your business to comment on it? I hope not. If some guys in other countries think they have the right to act like monsters, you should have the right to criticize them for it. If 90% of wives in some country are beaten for not mopping the floor well enough, that's just plain screwed up, and if they're going to hide behind the culture argument, then it's fair game to criticize it as bad even if it's part of a culture. The world is globalizing. Do we want a world where this kind of stuff is suddenly permissible again just because some backward-minded country (or religion, or culture, etc) refuses to take a good look at itself? Bad behavior is bad behaviour and you shouldn't get a pass on it because of nationality or race or religion or anything.

[SmallBird]

Not a problem how to spell khmer, some people spell ke-mai. I spell camel once. Not bad.

[GooberMonger]

3 of us are planning a trip across Siem reap, PP and HCMC and back to BKK. Fellow Forumers could you advvise if July / August is a good time to travel weatherwide? Is it rainy season in these months?

ThanksYes, ArisCasa July and August are in the rainy season, good idea get some zip lock bags for your wallet and passport. You never know when or where your going to be caught in a down pour. I've been stuck in all 3 cities only after a short time of raining the roads were flooded out, but it's part of the fun and it's not cold.

I go out and shower in the rain water, it's a welcome thing, but be careful of lightning it kills 100s of people here on motorcycles, so choose your form of transportation wisely.

Cheers

[Phil Istine]

The name of the country is Srok Kmai or Kampuchea. Khmea is the french version of the original word, the people call themselves Kmai.

The weather in July / August is alternately very hot or wet. But persistent rain is rare except in Sihanoukville or Kampot or in the north east. The best buses to catch are the small vans run by several companies, they cost more but they are fast and efficient.

I can speak Kmai ok and I have just found a new teacher who I should have met years ago, it makes life much more interesting and there are many more opportunities with women.

[GooberMonger]

My first trip in a mini van was my last. I went from Phnom Penh to Saigon and it was torture all the way.

Mind you this was 10 years ago and maybe the service has improved, but I'm not so sure when I see them going down the street loaded with as many people as can possibly fit along with being over loaded with goods.

I'm 183cm and was packed into the van like a sardine, there were chickens and pigs in the van too. I couldn't move an inch for I think around 2 plus hours. Then when I changed buses in Viet Nam it wasn't quite so bad.

Now I drive or fly everywhere.

I'm only speaking from my own experience and it was a long time ago.

Phil has had more recent experience with them, myself if I had to I would take the bus where I can get up and stretch my legs, yes it is a little slower, but more comfortable and safer in Cambodia.

In Thailand and Viet Nam I found the mini vans great, used them in Thailand for Visa runs for years.

So I leave this one up to the traveller or Phil is correct and things are much better for service now, but I'll stick to the bus and it's dirt cheap.

No offense intended Phil.

Cheers

[LifeIsABeach]

My first trip in a mini van was my last. I went from Phnom Penh to Saigon and it was torture all the way.

Mind you this was 10 years ago.

I'm 183cm and was packed into the van like a sardine, there were chickens and pigs in the van too. I couldn't move an inch.

Now I drive or fly everywhere.

CheersTimes have changed. The 14 person minivan carries only 14 passengers. You are also allocated a seat number. However, as there is little room to put all the luggage at the back, they may have to stow some where the passengers sit. That is not a big deal to me.

What made me choose flying in some cases was the road, not the minivan. It is still being constructed and I did not want too many aches and bumps by the time I got to the destination. I flew from Snookie to Siem Reap, great flight. 45 minutes, than about 14 hours on two minivans back. Cost was $118. 00, the extra $100. 00 USD was well worth it. The flight was good and I arrived fresh.

[PussyFeelsGood]

Use a decent mini van service and they don't pack people in, they go over 100km / hr buses never get close, and the biggest problem with the buses is that they drop off locals at so many different stops along the way a 3 hour and 45 minute ride (snooky to PP) takes 5 hours.

[GooberMonger]

I drive to Sihaunkville in 2 1/2 hours, the distance is roughly 250 km.

I have taken the bus to Sihanoukville in the past and it was approximately 3 1/2 hours.

I didn't take the bus back to Phnom Penh so not sure on the return time.

My personal experience,

Cheers.

[HenryV]

Can you provide additional info on the van service, contact info, pickup location, etc.

Thank you.


Use a decent mini van service and they don't pack people in, they go over 100km / hr buses never get close, and the biggest problem with the buses is that they drop off locals at so many different stops along the way a 3 hour and 45 minute ride (snooky to PP) takes 5 hours.

[LifeIsABeach]

Can you provide additional info on the van service, contact info, pickup location, etc.

Thank you.Henry, the hotels where you stay usually has at least one mini van service contact. There are several and they make about 3-4 runs a day.

Also, travel agents have quite a few min van contacts. You can haggle down the price a little bit. It is about $10. 00 USD or less. As I was walking away from a travel agent in SR to use the hotel's contact, the travel agent called me back and offered me a seat for $8. 00 USD. He called the company, gave me a seat number and pick up time at my hotel. Just about all mini van pick up at your hotel. Drop off is at their place. There is usually a half hour break in the travel. Some hotels also pick you up from the mini van destination. You have to let them know what company the mini van is. The van also gives towelletes and a bottle of water.

[HenryV]

Thank you. Good to know you can bargain with the travel agent. Most I have dealt with just have a set price, walk away or not.


Henry, the hotels where you stay usually has at least one mini van service contact. There are several and they make about 3-4 runs a day.

Also, travel agents have quite a few min van contacts. You can haggle down the price a little bit. It is about $10. 00 USD or less. As I was walking away from a travel agent in SR to use the hotel's contact, the travel agent called me back and offered me a seat for $8. 00 USD. He called the company, gave me a seat number and pick up time at my hotel. Just about all mini van pick up at your hotel. Drop off is at their place. There is usually a half hour break in the travel. Some hotels also pick you up from the mini van destination. You have to let them know what company the mini van is. The van also gives towelletes and a bottle of water.

[PussyFeelsGood]

Golden Bayon minivan is the one I used.

I'm calling BS on goober getting to Sihanoukville in 3.5 hours on a bus.

[Phil Istine]

The Golden Bayon is the best van service, just don't get a front seat. However the drivers are pretty good and with the stop

They always take four hours. Doing the trip in two and a half hours is possible and close to the record but one would have to be completely foolhardy. Why jeopardise your own life and the lives of others to save an hour?

I have ridden the bus many times with the moto and it it can't be done in three and a half hours. My worst trip with a breakdown was ten hours.

[ThePrinz]

Guys, I live in PP and I've just read the last 10 pages with your reports.

I'm sorry but you're all overpaying like crazy and making it hard for us expat mongers! No wonder PP is no more value for money and the going rates are now on par with Thailand or even with the West!

Really, where to start?

Local salaries & cost of life:

As much as you guys enjoy wasting as much as 100 bucks for a short time, let me tell you the average salary for a waitress or hairdresser or masseuse is no more than 70-80$ per month + food + sometimes accomodation (a matress on the floor and shared toilet).

This is also true for the girls in pretty much all hostess bars, fixed salary is 70$ + 1$ for each lady drink + tips.

As for food, their normal meal is rice or soup and it aint going to cost more than 1.25$ including tea or water and many girls are ok with 0.75$ rice bowls.

Cigarettes are 0.50$/packet, beer and soft drinks are around 0.50$/can.

A mototaxi will ask khmers no more than 1$ to make 3-4 km, and a quick ride from 51 to 136 is no more than 1500 riels.

All tuktuk are ok asking 1$ to khmers and driving in downtown. 2$ is only if they go far away.

Even the laziest tuktuk driver earns at least 10 bucks / day which is a GREAT salary by khmer standards, don't believe any of their BS.

Gasoline is 1.25$ per litre by the way, that means 20-30km on a tuktuk.

Pair of shoes in the market : 5-6$

Female dress : from 4 to 8$

Haircut for girls : 1-2$, or 5-6$ for color.

Nails : no more than 1$ in any market or beauty parlor, I mean downtown, it's even cheaper in the suburbs.

Bags : 5-10$ at most.

Watch : 4-5$

Fake jewelry : from 1$ up in any market.

Parfums etc : from 1$ up everywhere unless they want original western products.

Rent : most of the girls working in the riverside live nearby in shitholes where they pay no more than 30-50$ per month for a room with shared toilet.

Others live far away with husbands kids and family, nobody in the suburbs pay more than 100$ even for a big house, only foreigners pay from 200 to 500$/month or more (diplomats can even pay 2000$/month for a villa, to each his own).

* So, think twice when happily tipping 10$ or more, as that's a shitload of money for the girls and for khmers in general!

[ThePrinz]

The Girls:

Most of the working girls live in the area near Psar Chas (riverside) , or in decrepit shitholes in Toul Kork, or near the airport, or near the Russian market, or even in the southern suburbs on 1$/rooms.

Seen with my eyes, and if you ask they will show you.

You'll probably not believe the girls asking you 50 bucks live in such a shithole, but this is Cambodia!

As much as they can look good with a nice 4$ dress and cheap makeup that's where they belong and that's where they families live.

You can spot many of the riverside girls in the morning shopping and eating at Psar Chas, they'll be dress as civilians with jeans and t-shirt or even pijamas, no makeup no high heels. Take a look by yourself. They're absolutely average when seen for what they really are.

Boyfriends : most of the girls have khmer or expat boyfriends, some are even married with kids, and ALL the girls have at least one kid anyway.

When she tells you she need money for her baby. Well a decent school is usually from 0.75$/day to no more than 1.5$/day including meals and sometimes even transportation (door to door or whatever).

When she tells you her family is starving, remember almost every khmer family owns their house so there's no rent involved, electricity is no more than 20$/month if they really spend a lot, a gas tank is 30$ and will last for more than 3 months with heavy use, water is no more than 5$/day and 20 litre bottles of drinkable water are 0.75$ door to door!

Rice is 0.70$/Kg and a lot less if you buy 10kg or 50kg, pork is 5-6$/kg, chicken 3-4$/kg, tomatoes 1$/kg. You get the idea.

* So once again, if you tip her 10 bucks it's a lot of money for her and her eventual "starving family". These are downtown Phnom Penh prices by the way, I know in the rice fields a soup is just 0.25$ and everything is cheaper and that's why a whole family can live with 70-100$/month!

[ThePrinz]

Hostess Bars

Well, one of my ex GF worked in 136 so I've some direct knowledge about the inner workings of these bars.

As I wrote before, the salaries are usually 70$/month + tips + lady drinks, paid cash on 1st day of the month.

There's a high turnover and many girls just stick with the same bar for 3-6 months.

This is due to the bar having only a few customers or the usual bitchings between girls and owners.

If a girl doesn't show up she'll be fined 10$, if she keeps doing troubles especially with paying customers she'll be fired on the spot.

You may think there's a strict selection during the hiring process but it's BS! When they need a new girl the owner just asks around or tell the girls

To bring some of their friends and if they're ok they can start right away.

There's also no difference in salary or treatment between stunners and fuglies, it's up to them to make money with lady drinks and barfines or do nothing all night and going home empty handed.

People think bars only seek stunners but it's not true, stunners are hard to find, and many customers have weird tastes, I've seen even the uglyest girls being barfined and paid well, anything goes, really.

Farm fresh girls are usually unpretentious and honest but they quickly become hardened and sleazy while working in a bar, and the other girls will teach them all the tricks of the trade so don't ever expect girlfriend material unless you're lucky and in any case most of them have boyfriends and sponsors already.

It's a job. It's an illusion, no more no less.

Barfines : they're all for the bar, nothing goes into the girl's pocket.

Lady Drinks : usually they earn 1$ per lady drink, and usually it's water + cocacola, or they would get drunk every day! Of course 1-2 real drinks per night are expected and sometimes they indeed get drunk, it depends.

After hours : if she really likes you she could tell you to pick her up at 03AM when the bar closes, and if she's really into you she could like the idea of becoming your girlfriend, it happens and it happened to me too, it's no big deal, but they can become high maintenance, you must be very clear about money and all or she will think you're a sucker and squeeze you like a lemon!

Friendship : you can indeed become a "friend" but if there's no money involved it will not go far.

Sorry that's just the way it is, real genuine friendship can only happen if you speak fluent khmer and if you know the score.

Rescueing the girl : that's another myth spread by NGOs, in reality none of these girls want to be rescued, they're making so much easy money it must be the time of their lives.

I heard of a few weirdos doing this rescue thing, just to waste a shitload of dollars and to see the girl going back to the bar the next week.

Marriage : I personally know one guy who's marrying a former 136 bargirl, they live near Psar Chas and now she's pregnant.

They're happy and she loves him genuinely, maybe they're the exception to the rule, I don't know, but they're the only successful couple barang / bargirl I know, all the others crashed and burned miserably.

Free sex : well, if she really likes you, you can pay the barfine or wait 03AM and pick her for free, but this is VERY rare, and it can only happen if she plans to become your girlfriend, so in any case you'll pay money one way or the other and gold diggers can be even more expensive than proper bargirls in the long run.

Trust : never ever believe bargirls' bullshits, always be alert and always take for granted she's a professional liar.

A fool and his money are soon parted!

Security : girls in hostess bars are relatively safe as the bar owners instruct them to avoid stealing from customers as the police can make troubles if a bar receives too many complaints.

In any case, if you get back to the bar and make a mess the police will always defend the khmers and you'll be asked to pay a fine even if you're the victim.

If you get violent in the bar or don't want to pay the bill, you'll get bottled or beaten up by the nearby tuktuk and undercover cops.

It's FULL of undercover cops in the riverside, don't be fooled, and they're there for protection of the bars.

Every bar pay bribes to the police, if they don't the next day the bar is closed and the owner arrested for trafficking or whatever.

Lady Drinks : it's a ripoff but that's how bars make money.

Expect also padded bills, especially at Candy Bar and a few others.

Complain loudly and hold your own but don't get violent or you're fucked.

[ThePrinz]

Prices for Hostess Bars

It used to be 10-15$ years ago, now it's 20-50$ with 5-10$ barfines.

It's absolutely disproportionate compared to the living costs, and years ago the living costs were not much different from 2013!

There's NO reason for this doubling or tripling in prices, but tourists seem to be happy paying as much as in Thailand so there's no going back.

So, the going rate should be 20$ for ST but nowadays the market has been ruined, and 30$ seems to be the minimum in many bars.

It would be also a loss of face for the girl to be paid less than the other girls.

If you refuse and go away she will just look at you in disdain and tell the girls you're a cheap charlie and other funny khmer insults.

And this coming from girls living in 30$/month shitholes eating 0. 75$ meals, these girls are really shameless actress and full of shit from top to bottom, unfortunately this is the situation and overpaying tourists can only blame themselves if now the market is fucked up.

Any other trick? None so far, unless she really likes you, but that's not going to happen often, a 20$ ST is the very best option you can expect today.

You can soften up a bit if you in the same bar every day just for a quick drink, OK, they will become a lot more friendly, but don't expect any discount, nobody will come for less than 20$ and it will be usually just a quickie without any enthusiasm, a shower and a 5 minutes boomboom. That's all you get, probably not even french kiss included, that's reserved for overpayers.

So, is it worth it? I say NO! But to each his own, if you're throwing dollars out the window the hostess bars are a good place for it, but then again I would stick to 104 and skip 136/130/118/110.

104 tends to have the best and wildest girls in my opinion, they're all ok with 30$ ST and some even 25$.

You don't even need to drink anything, just give 1-2$ tip to the girl and she's ok, the problem is the mamasan spotting you're not drinking and making a mess but it depends on which bar.

[ThePrinz]

Freelancers

The only reason to stick with freelancers is to avoid barfines and to pay less for the service.

Unfortunately, also the FL market has been fucked up and now you'll hardly boomboom for less than 20$ when just two years ago it was ok for 10$ in many places.

Security is the main concern with freelancers, many are on yaba or drunks, many steal in your room, many will do runners, many will just don't do what they promise once in your room, and many of course don't have IDs.

The service is quite hit or miss, one day you can find a tiger in bed and the next girl will refuse to even do bow jobs, it's really unpredictable no matter if you interview her with care.

Some are super friendly and down to heart and can become genuine friends, all the others are nasty bitches hardened by drugs and years of whoring.

It's quite a gray area and you must be lucky to find the diamond in the rough.

As for the room prices, I read some guys here paid 5 or even 10$ for one hour, that's ridicolous! Khmers pay 1.25$ in the suburbs and in the Boeung Kak lake, there's no reason to pay more than 2$ in str. 51 or nearby, they're all the same shit windowless rooms and with 5-10$ you can get a room in a low cost guesthouse for a whole day!

Free sex : very hard but not impossible if she likes or she believes she can become your girlfriend or even your wife, most of the freelancers double as gold diggers actually.

Friendship : you can become a sort of friend and get discounts after a while, but don't expect anything else, she will always ask you money in one way or the other and I've heard many horror stories about freelancers earning the trust of barangs just to steal anything they can and do a runner to vietnam or their godforsaken village.

After all there's a good reason these girls are freelancing rather than working in bars.

[ThePrinz]

Massages

I just can't believe there's people here paying 30-40$ for a massage + HJ!

Guys, wake the fuck up! A well done HJ is 5-10$ AT MOST!

Unless it's a really upscale and expensive massage parlour, these girls make 70$/month.

A 5-10$ tip is way more than enough for a 2 minutes HJ with oil!

But I know now it's too late and the massage market has been fucked as well.

Yes, most of the places will ask you 10, 20, 30, even 50 for HJ or BBBJ or FS, that's simply crazy.

Just say no and go boomboom a 20$ freelancer, or stick to Thailand, the massages here are pretty lame anyway.

A good option are the ones in Sothearos Blvd, oil massage is 6-7$ but the girl will ask 10-20$ for a HJ, sometimes.

15-20$ is ok for a BBBJ depends on the girl.

The massage is usually bad but the girls are pretty and the place is spotless and smelling good.

Cheap massages : I don't think tourist would dare to try but there's plenty of 2$ massages near the port and at the southern end of Sothearos Blvd.

Usually it's 2-3$ including a HJ, but they don't do Oil massage, you better bring your own lube or they will do a "dry" HJ or use a tanning lotion or even shampoo.

Massages are terrible in these places and the girls are clueless, in any case with just 3-5$ you can have sex.

Now I've tried so many of them, and you can sometimes find a diamond in the rough, I've had girls french kissing me passionately and letting me eat their boobs and in ONE case only I managed to ear her pussy but I became a regular in her massage and I tried her 3-4 times before and there was an instant mutual feeling so don't expect this to be the norm, at most she will let you finger her and she might ask you to boomboom in hotel for 30$.

On the other side the massages in Sothearos by night have a string of girls you can pickup for 10$ (boomboom only) +2$ for the room in the guesthouse next door.

They're quite rough girls but some are surprisingly pretty, so that's 12$ for full service if you like it rough and you can throw a further 2-3$ for an additional half baked massage.

Unfortunately they rarely go full night with customers but it can happen.

In any case I would be scared as these girls are NOT to be trusted and could steal all your belongings or make any sort of trouble if they see you're well off.

Brothels :

There are not many left and they all leave so much to be desired.

My favourite are the ones near the port and what Phnom and Toul Kork but they're really a dreadful experience most of the time.

I can boomboom + BBBJ for as low as 6$ and sometimes the girls like me and we take it easy and have a good time, other times I have to pay 10$ and the girl is on a rush and smelling bad too, it's quite hit or miss and the place is a dump, if you don't like rough sex you should not even think about these places.

Actually I shagged for just 5$ a few times, but you get what you pay for.

In general. 5$ is the going rate for khmers. 10$ negotiable is for barangs.

The only reason to stick with these brothels is you can walk in and go upstairs and boomboom right away instead of taking her in a guesthouse and all.

Sometimes I like it, sometimes I hate it, but it's a good thing there are many options in PP.

Just don't expect anything else, no friendship, no involvment, the girls are so fucking hardened and greedy, and their mamasans could even knock at the door telling you to be quick!

I shagged a girl 6-7 times and she can't even remember my name, I mean this is the norm in such places, potentially they are cute and friendly but once you paid the bill they don't even look in your face.

Street hookers :

Actually my favourites, price from 5 to 10$ ST. 1.25 to 2$ for the room nearby, location is mainly what Phnom and the surrounding park in front of the US embassy, the whole pool of girls is maybe 30-40 girls by night but there's 10-20 girls even in daytime (the very worst and most dangerous).

It's very hit or miss, some diamonds and some greedy bastards, hard to spot the good ones, many are young and friendly but they mostly live in other cities so you must be lucky to see them around again as some only come in the weekend or whenever they need money.

You can ask to go dinner together or sleep together but in most of the cases they want ST only.

Besides it would be dangerous to sleep with them in your room, much more than with freelancers, some of these girls are quite unpredictable and could do crazy things for a few dollars more.

Said that, believe it or not, some of my best shags in PP were with these 6-7$ girls which says it all about the whole industry in my opinion!

Basically they're no worse than any other freelancers you see in 51 or walkabout or Sharky's, the only difference is they don't speak good English and don't dress well, but for anything else they're a good deal when all you want is a quickie.

[GooberMonger]

Golden Bayon minivan is the one I used.

I'm calling BS on goober getting to Sihanoukville in 3. 5 hours on a busI said approximately it's been a while, but would you believe 6 hours. I had to call a friend and ask him, sorry. I took it before and it didn't seem that long, but a lot has changed in 10 years. It use to be clear sailing all the way after Chom Chao Circle.

I didn't think it would be more than double the time it takes me, but I do up to 160km / hr along some stretches or I use to, now there's too much traffic and watch out for the cows.

Sorry I stand corrected, my most sincere apologizes.

Cheers

[ThePrinz]

i said approximately it's been a while, but would you believe 6 hours. i had to call a friend and ask him, sorry. i took it before and it didn't seem that long, but a lot has changed in 10 years. it use to be clear sailing all the way after chom chao circle.

i didn't think it would be more than double the time it takes me, but i do up to 160km / hr along some stretches or i use to, now there's too much traffic and watch out for the cows.

sorry i stand corrected, my most sincere apologizes.

cheersyou must allow at least 5 hrs from phnom penh, the traffic keeps getting worse and the so called "highway" is just a dangerous dual lane road, that's why many call it "the death highway".

driving at 160km / h is possible in a few areas but you risk your neck, the khmers see nothing wrong in driving in the wrong lane at full speed especially by night.

last time i took a bus to sihanoukville we spent 1 hour just to reach the pp airport and the suburbs.

the only time i made it in 3.5 hrs was when we hired a private taxi, we paid 15$ each, door to door from pp riverside to shv occheuteal pier and we started early morning to avoid traffic jams, he was driving like crazy, not for the faint hearted!

[SmallBird]

Massages

I just can't believe there's people here paying 30-40$ for a massage + HJ!

Guys, wake the fuck up! A well done HJ is 5-10$ AT MOST!

Unless it's a really upscale and expensive massage parlour, these girls make 70$/month.

A 5-10$ tip is way more than enough for a 2 minutes HJ with oil!

But I know now it's too late and the massage market has been fucked as well.

Yes, most of the places will ask you 10, 20, 30, even 50 for HJ or BBBJ or FS, that's simply crazy.

Just say no and go boomboom a 20$ freelancer, or stick to Thailand, the massages here are pretty lame anyway.

A good option are the ones in Sothearos Blvd, oil massage is 6-7$ but the girl will ask 10-20$ for a HJ, sometimes.

15-20$ is ok for a BBBJ depends on the girl...Appreciate your pricing info.

[TheWeeknd]

Hey gents. My first post here though I've been a lurker for a while.

I'm in Cambodia right now, having arrived in Siem Reap yesterday. I live in Thailand so thai and laos are quite "normal" to me, but Cambodia has thrown me a bit of a curve ball. On my second night now and both nights been too tired and nervous to look for action. Perhaps best to just see the temples and start the fun in Pp when I get there.

I'm travelling solo so wanted to check if any experienced tourists or expats may want to catch up in pp and give me some tips over a few beers (my shout)? It would be great to hit the ground running. I'm just a normal aussie guy (32) who'd like some tips and the company.

I think I'll get to pp on sat 6th though itinery is pretty open. If you want to help a brother out please let me know!

Cheers

[GooberMonger]

Hey gents. My first post here though I've been a lurker for a while.

I'm in Cambodia right now, having arrived in Siem Reap yesterday. I live in Thailand so thai and laos are quite "normal" to me, but Cambodia has thrown me a bit of a curve ball. On my second night now and both nights been too tired and nervous to look for action. Perhaps best to just see the temples and start the fun in Pp when I get there.

I'm travelling solo so wanted to check if any experienced tourists or expats may want to catch up in pp and give me some tips over a few beers (my shout)? It would be great to hit the ground running. I'm just a normal aussie guy (32) who'd like some tips and the company...Would love to help you out, but I'm busy this weekend. If no one can help you out just go to Walkabout on St. 51, lots of Aussie punters hang out there mate and the place is open 24hrs / day. Busiest times around lunch and 7-8 pm it starts filling up, maybe a little later. You can even get a ST in the morning on, but selection varies and not recommended unless you really need to bust a nut or see a cutie that will do ST for $15 + $3 for room. Just ask the bartender for a room.

I have in the past got some cuties in there, but haven't been there in about a year. Maybe I might just drop in today so I can give you a more accurate report, but yesterday I went out to buy a new laptop and the CPP Party and others Parties are campaigning for the up coming election. Traffic is bad enough without having them making parades everywhere.

I did get a laptop good deal even Dell inspiron i5 CPU2. 5Ghz. 3rd Gen. 8G RAM. 1TB HDD, etc. $450.00, been shopping on Khmer24 for some time now the old Lenovo is retired, it will not be missed.

Cheers

[GooberMonger]

you must allow at least 5 hrs from phnom penh, the traffic keeps getting worse and the so called "highway" is just a dangerous dual lane road, that's why many call it "the death highway".

driving at 160km / h is possible in a few areas but you risk your neck, the khmers see nothing wrong in driving in the wrong lane at full speed especially by night.

last time i took a bus to sihanoukville we spent 1 hour just to reach the pp airport and the suburbs.

the only time i made it in 3. 5 hrs was when we hired a private taxi, we paid 15$ each, door to door from pp riverside to shv occheuteal pier and we started early morning to avoid traffic jams, he was driving like crazy, not for the faint hearted!i have slowed down now prinz traffic is getting bad, khmer drivers say no more, cows and towns. i leave at 6 am and i'll have to do the drive now in around 3. 5-4 hours stop for lunch. i also don't have my mercedes-benz anymore, camry's eat my dust, it just likes speed and handles amazing, compared to my suv now. oh, the brakes on my benz did save my life more than once another reason i've slowed down.

cheers

[ThePrinz]

Hey gents. My first post here though I've been a lurker for a while.

I'm in Cambodia right now, having arrived in Siem Reap yesterday. I live in Thailand so thai and laos are quite "normal" to me, but Cambodia has thrown me a bit of a curve ball. On my second night now and both nights been too tired and nervous to look for action. Perhaps best to just see the temples and start the fun in Pp when I get there.

I'm travelling solo so wanted to check if any experienced tourists or expats may want to catch up in pp and give me some tips over a few beers (my shout)? It would be great to hit the ground running. I'm just a normal aussie guy (32) who'd like some tips and the company.

I think I'll get to pp on sat 6th though itinery is pretty open. If you want to help a brother out please let me know!

CheersIt's one year I don't go in Siem Reap but in general it looks like a ripoff to me.

Too many tourists fresh off the boat overpricing, girls with terrible attitudes, runners, scams, and most of them only do ST of course.

Try at Mikey's Bar across the road from Bar Street, there's maybe a dozen freelancers but quality is average at best, should be 20$ ST.

But now they may ask 30$ or more, I wouldn't be surprised there's too much money going on in SR now and the girls are getting greedy bastards.

The best shag I had in SR was in a rundown khmer massage, hard to find in an unpaved alley. 10$ full service and GFE including 30-40 mins of half baked khmer massage.

There are other girls in the street in Bar Street unless the cops cleaned up the area, some others can be spotted in downtown and at night market after dark,.

But the best girls stick to 5 stars hotels so it's not easy to tell you exactly where to go and in any case they will ask at least 50$ ST I guess.

KTVs may ask 100 or more LT, some hotels have small discos with girls, really it's all going upscale in SR, not worth it!

If you live in SR then for sure there are alternative and cheaper places where only Khmers go but the couple ones I've seen last time where

Bad, dirty, and unfriendly, of course I might have been unlucky but I just wasnt even in the right mood, I see no fucking reason to pay as much as in Pattaya.

For those random hookers, better save the money for Phnom Penh in my opinion.

Some of my friends were lucky and found a few good deals for LT but I don't remember where, for sure it was near Bar Street.

As a last chance ask the tuktuk guys but they will all take you 5-6 km out of town in some posh hotel with upscale hookers unless you ask for a dirt cheap shag

In that case they will take in the suburbs but it's not worth it for me, I would rather shag a 5$ chicken farm girl in snooky, can't see any difference actually. Girls in pijama.

Asking 20-30$ for boomboom in a 2sqm cubicle? No thanks.

[Niteluvr]

Guys, I live in PP and I've just read the last 10 pages with your reports.

I'm sorry but you're all overpaying like crazy and making it hard for us expat mongers! No wonder PP is no more value for money and the going rates are now on par with Thailand or even with the West!

Really, where to start?

Local salaries & cost of life:

As much as you guys enjoy wasting as much as 100 bucks for a short time, let me tell you the average salary for a waitress or hairdresser or masseuse is no more than 70-80$ per month + food + sometimes accomodation (a matress on the floor and shared toilet).

This is also true for the girls in pretty much all hostess bars, fixed salary is 70$ + 1$ for each lady drink + tips.

As for food, their normal meal is rice or soup and it aint going to cost more than 1. 25$ including tea or water and many girls are ok with 0. 75$ rice bowls.

Cigarettes are 0. 50$/packet, beer and soft drinks are around 0. 50$/can.

A mototaxi will ask khmers no more than 1$ to make 3-4 km, and a quick ride from 51 to 136 is no more than 1500 riels.

All tuktuk are ok asking 1$ to khmers and driving in downtown. 2$ is only if they go far away.

Even the laziest tuktuk driver earns at least 10 bucks / day which is a GREAT salary by khmer standards, don't believe any of their BS.

Gasoline is 1. 25$ per litre by the way, that means 20-30km on a tuktuk.

Pair of shoes in the market : 5-6$

Female dress : from 4 to 8$

Haircut for girls : 1-2$, or 5-6$ for color.

Nails : no more than 1$ in any market or beauty parlor, I mean downtown, it's even cheaper in the suburbs.

Bags : 5-10$ at most.

Watch : 4-5$

Fake jewelry : from 1$ up in any market.

Parfums etc : from 1$ up everywhere unless they want original western products.

Rent : most of the girls working in the riverside live nearby in shitholes where they pay no more than 30-50$ per month for a room with shared toilet.

Others live far away with husbands kids and family, nobody in the suburbs pay more than 100$ even for a big house, only foreigners pay from 200 to 500$/month or more (diplomats can even pay 2000$/month for a villa, to each his own).

* So, think twice when happily tipping 10$ or more, as that's a shitload of money for the girls and for khmers in general!Great info and would like to send you a PM but cannot. I have some questions about a girl who works in the Russian market that I correspond with online. Please PM me if you can!

[TheWeeknd]

Would love to help you out, but I'm busy this weekend.No worries mate and thanks for the tips.

Still in Siem Reap now and hoping to have my first experience with a Khmer girl tonight. Wish me luck!

[Ibn Buttita]

I'll be in Singapore in mid August and noted some good flight options to Phnom Penh. The thing is, my schedule would only allow for about one full day there. A full afternoon, night, and morning. I figure I could get a full service massage in the afternoon, short time at Cyrcee in early evening, a freelancer or hostess for overnight, and maybe a legit massage with happy ending in the morning. Can I get anyone's thoughts on whether this would be worthwhile, would I just be better off taking a little more time in Singapore or Jakarta (I will be there before Singapore).

Thanks!

[Member #4698]

I'll be in Singapore in mid August and noted some good flight options to Phnom Penh. The thing is, my schedule would only allow for about one full day there. A full afternoon, night, and morning. I figure I could get a full service massage in the afternoon, short time at Cyrcee in early evening, a freelancer or hostess for overnight, and maybe a legit massage with happy ending in the morning. Can I get anyone's thoughts on whether this would be worthwhile, would I just be better off taking a little more time in Singapore or Jakarta (I will be there before Singapore).

Thanks!It depends where you are going after your proposed layover in Phnom. I will be flying Silk Air from Singapore to Phnom Penh myself on my next trip. I plan on spending a week in Phnom before moving on to BKK. If you are returning to Singapore or Jakarta, I hardly think all that round trip flight time and airport hassle is worth one day in PP. Spend an extra day in Jakarta and plan a more lengthy trip to Phnom for another time. If your next destination is BKK, then a short detour / layover in Phnom isn't such a bad idea, especially if you have never been there before. The flight to BKK from Phnom is roughly 45 minutes so it is not terribly out of your way. IMHO the massage service is not that great in Phnom. I would look for a freelancer in Walkabout for an afternoon session, a 104 ST hostess or Cyrcee session in the evening, and possibly a HOD or Golden Sorya Mall or Martinis hookup around 11:30pm to 12:30am. That is certainly a lot to accomplish in one day. A 104 St girl would be my # 1 must do and a HOD / Golden Sorya / Martini's pickup my #2 must do.

[Channy]

Massages

I just can't believe there's people here paying 30-40$ for a massage + HJ!

Guys, wake the fuck up! A well done HJ is 5-10$ AT MOST!

Unless it's a really upscale and expensive massage parlour, these girls make 70$/month.

A 5-10$ tip is way more than enough for a 2 minutes HJ with oil!

But I know now it's too late and the massage market has been fucked as well.

Yes, most of the places will ask you 10, 20, 30, even 50 for HJ or BBBJ or FS, that's simply crazy.

Just say no and go boomboom a 20$ freelancer, or stick to Thailand, the massages here are pretty lame anyway.

A good option are the ones in Sothearos Blvd, oil massage is 6-7$ but the girl will ask 10-20$ for a HJ, sometimes.

15-20$ is ok for a BBBJ depends on the girl...Congratulations The Prinz I can see old style, Expat haven't totally disappear.

WWhen I read your reports I can see the old PP hasn t change a lot. Just brothels has moved to more discreet location, price increase a bit but not in delirious proportion I can read in many post, for info until 2008 barang price for khmer girls =USD. 3 viet=5usd in local brothels, freelancer used to go for 10 USD LT. Khmers used to paid from 5000 to 10.000 riels.

Without mentioning at that time no barfine. Such practice happened after the barang invasion in 2006.

Well it s good to read #down to earth# report about Phnom penh.

Thank for your excellent reports.

Channy

[GooberMonger]

If you live in SR then for sure there are alternative and cheaper places where only Khmers go but the couple ones I've seen last time where

Bad, dirty, and unfriendly, of course I might have been unlucky but I just wasnt even in the right mood, I see no fucking reason to pay as much as in Pattaya.

For those random hookers, better save the money for Phnom Penh in my opinion.I couldn't agree more, I think the Pattaya girls must be on glue and the bar owner too. Was there last year and 1000 Baht bar fine, girls 2000 Baht for LT, some real cuties, but please and the bars paying the girls big Baht isn't helping. Most want 1000+ Baht on Soi 6 for an ST. I did pay for a couple knock out girls looks wise, but service was worse than any Khmer girl no action, bad attitude, no BBBJ and the are you going to finish. What the hell happened in the last 10 years.

I went over to the Welkcom Inn on Soi 3 I think and got an afternoon shag pic the best lookin of the bunch 800Baht including bar fine and this girl just went to town on me BBBJ and jumping all over like a jack rabbit, the young really hot, really expensive girls in the Go Gos don't even bother unless you want something for $100 3000Baht to look at while you beat your meat. It would have been more enjoyable.

Second it Prinz save your money for PP where that 800 Baht girl would have cost 200 Baht or less. For 3000 Baht you can get real nice Chinese and / or Korean girls out of the Royal or Naga World. Good place across the street from the Korean embassy too, if you want to spend money.

Cheers

[ThePrinz]

Congratulations The Prinz I can see old style, Expat haven't totally disappear.

WWhen I read your reports I can see the old PP hasn t change a lot. Just brothels has moved to more discreet location, price increase a bit but not in delirious proportion I can read in many post, for info until 2008 barang price for khmer girls =USD. 3 viet=5usd in local brothels, freelancer used to go for 10 USD LT. Khmers used to paid from 5000 to 10. 000 riels.

Without mentioning at that time no barfine. Such practice happened after the barang invasion in 2006.

Well it s good to read #down to earth# report about Phnom penh.

Thank for your excellent reports.

ChannyWe've not disappeared but now we're surrounded by tourists and former Pattaya expats and the immediate effect has been a doubling in prices in the last few years.

Now even a lot of awful girls now feel entitled to ask at least 20-30$ for a quickie and see nothing wrong asking 50$ LT.

The hostess bars in particular are now mostly a tourist territory, considering the ripoffs and the price and the girls attitude I see no reason to pick up a bargirl anymore.

Even if the ones in 104 are gorgeous and very friendly : what the fuck, this is supposed to be Cambodia, not Bangkok, this was a place where you could fuck for 10$ LT.

Not long ago and now it's all gone to the dogs.

If we talk about price, Sihanoukville has still the best deals, PP and SR are really out of control now and there's no going back from this, many bars are empty of customers.

And some will certainly close down but the prices will never change unless there's a sudden drop in tourism.

Too many newbies fresh off the boat and too many Thai expats on visa runs, they come here and they flash 50 or 100 bucks like it was throwing peanuts at monkeys, what the hell.

There are rough girls at Walkabout refusing a shag for 15$ in daytime, we've come to this.

However, the riverside looks very quiet at the moment, tons of girls but not many mongers around and many of them are in bars just to get shitfaced drunk and then to move on to str. 51.

Or 104 where the action is.

Talking about girls living in shitholes and asking customers the price of a whole month of rent for a ST, this morning I went with a friend of mine a few steps from Psar Chas where she

Booked a room with another taxigirl who works in 136, they had three flavours of rooms, one was a rathole with a matress on the floor (40$/month) , the other two were the carbon copy of the.

Rooms you see in brothels including the posters on the wall (60$/month) , fan, tv, and all, toilet was shared and there's a big kitchen with a lady cleaning and cooking for everybody in the apartment, which is a weird 3 floor affair and the whole building reminds me of the slums of New Delhi.

Now, you see this shit and her friend wearing jeans and t-shirt and you're reminded they've the guts to be offended if a client asks her out for 30-40$ + 10$ barfine + 10-20$ in drinks, it's unbelievable

How much they're monetizing their bodies and how easily they can make money and live in the very center of PP not far from posh apartments where barangs pay 4-500$/month.

My opinion? This situation cannot last long, all the red flags are there. I see most of the girls only earning money with ladydrinks but just a few of them are barfined and make serious bucks, I would go as far as saying in an average riverside bar no more than 2-3 girls per night are barfined.

On the other side I witnessed crazy barangs and koreas wasting as much as 200$ in drinks and ladydrinks so the bars are not starving!

But the ones in 110 and 118 look always empty and depressing, no idea why they're still in business.

The action is 24x7 on str. 51 now and rightly so, cheap beers (from 0. 50$ up) , cheap girls (as low as 10$ for a freelancer in the morning and 15-20$ ST by night) , music, crowds of mongers, lots of options among hostess bars, bars, clubs, discos, freelancers, street hookers.

Said that. 51 is too much crowded most of the time, I'm afraid before or later the government will do something, maybe cracking down the whole area or booting out the freelancers?

It's also getting a bit dangerous after midnight but nothing compared to Thailand or Philippines, and there's plenty of undercover cops everywhere keeping an eye on drunks and yaba heads.

So, all in all still many options but as you see it's a far cry from the PP of years ago.

Personally I enjoy a weekend in snooky when I can, cheaper prices, more relaxed and more down to heart girls.

As a city, PP is getting greedy and arrogant and it can't be otherwise with all these NGO guys paying western prices and all the new influx of tourists with big pockets.

My feeling is that the party is almost over, give it 5-10 years from now and the whole city will be unrecognizeable and the whole sex scene will be minimal and priced on par with Thailand or even with Vietnam!

[ThePrinz]

I couldn't agree more, I think the Pattaya girls must be on glue and the bar owner too. Was there last year and 1000 Baht bar fine, girls 2000 Baht for LT, some real cuties, but please and the bars paying the girls big Baht isn't helping. Most want 1000+ Baht on Soi 6 for an ST. I did pay for a couple knock out girls looks wise, but service was worse than any Khmer girl no action, bad attitude, no BBBJ and the are you going to finish. What the hell happened in the last 10 years.

I went over to the Welkcom Inn on Soi 3 I think and got an afternoon shag pic the best lookin of the bunch 800Baht including bar fine and this girl just went to town on me BBBJ and jumping all over like a jack rabbit, the young really hot, really expensive girls in the Go Gos don't even bother unless you want something for $100 3000Baht to look at while you beat your meat. It would have been more enjoyable.

Second it Prinz save your money for PP where that 800 Baht girl would have cost 200 Baht or less. For 3000 Baht you can get real nice Chinese and / or Korean girls out of the Royal or Naga World. Good place across the street from the Korean embassy too, if you want to spend money.

Cheers.I see less and less reasons to go in Pattaya.

My favourite area was Soi 6 and now the prices are absolutely out of control.

My second favourite were massages in Soi Buakhao and Soi Honey and now they also raised the bar and got greedy.

The whole town is invaded by Russian families and mongers are almost in a minority.

Last I've heard was about stunners in WS gogo bars asking 4000 LT + 2000 BF and japanese mongers paying as much as 10K for a threesome ST.

I mean, if the trend keeps going on it will be soon cheaper to boomboom in germany in any other FKK clubs or mongering in eastern europe.

What happened? That tourist overpaying mongers destroyed the market, that's what happened, and once the prices go up they never go down, even in low season at most you'll get a tiny discount.

Girls have been totally ruined and hardened by the crazy going rates, they will refuse to boom boom for a honest 500 baht as in the past, even the crack working girls in Beach Road are starting to ask 700 or 1000 ST and I'm sure there's always a sucker ready to pay that much.

It's hopeless and if I dare to point that out to newbies they call me cheap charlie.

But maybe they're right and I should better stick with Ban Chang or Snooky?

A friend of mine went to Balung recently and he could not shag for less than 20$, WTF. We're talking of a godforsaken town in Rattanakiri and he said because of the new wave of backpackers the prices are not much cheaper than PP even to sleep or eat or drink!

It seems the whole of Cambodia is moving towards tour groups and family tourism, sex tourists are no more the ones opening new routes and getting the best deals.

Fully agree on the girls at Naga, money well spent, it's another world from the random bargirls in riverside!

[AskeAske]

=ThePrinz; 1442509]If we talk about price, Sihanoukville has still the best deals, PP and SR are really out of control now and there's no going back from this, many bars are empty of customers.
After 3 weeks in Cambodia, Phnom Penh; Siem Reap and Sihanoukville in marts / April I totaly agree. Sihanoukville is the best place for mongering. You can go to the cheap places down town, you can go to victory Hill or to the beach close to golden Lion. There are plenty nice girls, all very friendly. 15-20 ST. 20-30 LT. In bars the barfine is 5 to 10.

[Amator]

Hi All,

My first post here, I have been reading and visiting for about a year though. I thought I'd give you my first thoughts on the club Pontoon in PP. This report is from a few months ago.

Pontoon is located on the street 51 drag and upon entering is a world apart from outside. Its classy on the inside. Sat down at the bar to warm up and I think a bottle of beer was about 2. 75 dollars or 3 dollars (local beer). To the right of the bar area there is "the door", this is a portal into another dimension that is stuffed with freelancers. Going through this door you walk into typical club environment. Loud music assaults your ears, flashing lights, loads of FL's tend to congregate near this portal / edge of dance floor and all the way around a centrally placed bar. Then there is the disco floor usually packed with young gap-year / backpackers doing the stupid jump. Up and down / fist pumping. Completely missing the whole point of what's supposed to happen there. Plonkers.

Right that's the stage set. It was here that I met Lilly, she came and sat down a seat or two away from me after I had done my oh-so subtle walk around checking out a few bottoms, bit of smiling. Bingo. Very friendly, bit of chit chat, I suggest we go to my hotel. I ask how much, she says "I don't say, I never talk about money, up to you" So I immediately pegged her as thinking she's a hotty and going to be asking for big bucks. Sod it I thought, its my first day, I'm on holiday and from what I'd read from here it should cost me about 30 dollars ST at best, double at worst and I'll just not call her back.

Lilly. 24, attractive face but a bit long / narrow (7/10) , body. Tall and slim (8/10). Character. Calm and friendly, she didn't seem "hard".

Back to my place, shower, BBBJ, I try to get her to go 69 while she does this so I can play with her bottom, but she's too shy and giggly. FS to finish, GFE. She stays the night, and I can't remember if it was my or her idea but I got the vibe she was cool. Plus all my shit was in the safe and I only had the 30 for her in my wallet which was in my jeans pocket which I folded up and put on the floor on my side of the bed under some other clothes. Slept well with her, no edgy feelings like I was going to get stiffed. BBBJ and FS again in the morn. Swap numbers. Then as she's about to bail she quite politely and deftly mentions "what about my present, don't forget to give me a nice one"

ME "what's a nice one"

Lilly with a cheeky smile "I want like a 100"

ME "." big smile on my face, yeah I bet you do, go through my wallet "ok here is 50"

She takes that without any argument or jackpot grin but I could tell she knew she'd come off very nicely. I'd hopefully paid for some good will too (and I did)

Day 2.

Meet her on riverside about 7 for dinner and drinks. Don't think I'll do this with a hooker again. I felt all the eyes on me, especially from the western chicks. I could also tell lilly felt really uncomfortable too. It was good to experience the whole fake GFE "dating" thing but now I know its not for me. I'm comfortable on my own and I just like the girls to help me get my rocks off. I think they prefer it that way too.

HINT of the day: I got a local cell phone (beeline) for 18 dollars (after haggling from 25! Cheeky beggars) and a 2 dollar top up card from those local phone shops on any side street. It was great fun teasing some of the girls about their expensive iphone galaxy things when I showed them by cheapo one.

Any way, early night. Back to mine. Carbon copy of night one bedroom-olympics-wise. She was really easy-going. Great BJs and I'm not really a fan, but she carried on like a trooper. CIM which she said she didn't want, but I literally couldn't communicate to her in time what was going on. My brain just forgot how to use my mouth and vocal chords. Anyway no problems. She stays overnight again. Next day I give her 30 and say I have to go to the bank today. She seems cool. She helps me check out and check in to my new cheaper hotel.

Day 3.

Meet her later in st 51 after beers etc with friends. Head to pontoon. Have a bit of fun, She wants to dance but I'm a white male so I decline. I let her go off with a mate and dance for a little bit while I drink and take in the scene. Its a pretty cool place, always lots of FL there when I was there. Bit later and I'm getting tired and say lets go, she starts complaining about wanting to stay and have fun and we get into a bit of an argument. At which point I think to myself WTF am I in a relationship type argument with an FL for."OK, no problem you have fun, see you" I get up and walk out. Literally 2 minutes later she's calling me and dashing out into the street to catch up with me. This was a bit annoying tbh as I was kind of getting the feeling she was getting her hooks in me. But I was horny and she was there so we go back to mine. By the time we got back, she was back into model girlfriend mode. Good.

Interesting developments this night were that my persistence of having a little play with her bum actually worked and she did do a 69 with her BBBJ-in me like a champ and me playing with her bum. Finger in too. No complaining. Oh hello, do we have a potential diamond here I thought. This will require more field research.

Overnight again. FS, BBBJ CIM again in the morning. I know I'm a terrible person.

Cost I give her 40 this time (a subtle thank you for bum access) , again over the odds I know but hey.

She then drop a bomb shell I wasnt expecting."can you give me 80 dollars for my aunt she has no money but has to pay electricity bill"

I get pissed, roll my eyes and tisk. She immediately gets defensive and angry "what, why you do that, I never ask you for anything, I just ask if you can help me"

Me."no I can't help you" "80 is a lot of money"

Lilly " fine ok good bye" she storm out without even looking back.

Fuck me I think this is supposed to be my holiday! Good. Right cut my losses there. Tonight new pastures.

Day 4.

Am out various places (more posts later on these) but end up at Pontoon! As no where seems as good as here for me. Get chatting to a vietnamese lovely but had heard they're pretty clinical and cold so decline her in the end. Am tired and drained so think I'll just got home. Well her mates in pontoon must have spotted me because guess who called me while I'm there? Yup. Lilly.

"hallo, where are you? You don't want to meet me tonight?"

Me "." willpower for easy sex and the prospect of her ass cause me mouth to say the opposite to what my common sense was telling me "yeah ok but only if you're not angry again"

"ok sorry, where are you"

"Pontoon"

" ok I come there"

She arrives in a knockout blue dress, deliberate I know, she was turning heads in that. I see where my 100 odd dollars went now. Anyway she's once again on best behavior. Bit to drink, bit of a chat. Then home for the main event.

All the usual stuff was covered BUT this time she was totally cool with me being a bit naughty with her bottom. She was a little trooper and gave it her best but we had to give up as she simply couldn't (or wouldn't?) take me in their (no I'm not big, I'm joe average in my pants).

Stayed all night. Same again in the morning. Damage was another 40 from me out of sheer respect for her attempts at something she was at first totally against.

Oh and I forgot to mention that when she stayed until morning. We actually slept in till noon."morning sessions" were 2/3 hour early afternoon marathons! But then I was paying well over the odds so I guess she was more than happy to hang about.

Final note:

She was not my first "girl" but she was my first FL And khmer to boot. And she left me with a great impression of the Khmer "girls", despite the bit of emotional ploys that luckily didn't work on me.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Lilly. 24, attractive face but a bit long / narrow (7/10) , body. Tall and slim (8/10). Character. Calm and friendly, she didn't seem "hard".

Back to my place, shower, BBBJ, I try to get her to go 69 while she does this so I can play with her bottom, but she's too shy and giggly. FS to finish,

She arrives in a knockout blue dress, deliberate I know, she was turning heads in that. I see where my 100 odd dollars went now. Anyway she's once again on best behavior. Bit to drink, bit of a chat. Then home for the main event.

All the usual stuff was covered BUT this time she was totally cool with me being a bit naughty with her bottom. She was a little trooper and gave it her best but we had to give up as she simply couldn't (or wouldn't?) take me in their (no I'm not big, I'm joe average in my pants)...Amator,

This is why I never repeat or get personal with any WG many newbie make this mistake, most of this girl just want more of your money will tell you anything, you did the right thing not give in just tell her no and say good bye to her and thanks her for her time and move on.

Fast Eddie 48

[GooberMonger]

Final note:

She was not my first "girl" but she was my first FL And khmer to boot. And she left me with a great impression of the Khmer "girls", despite the bit of emotional ploys that luckily didn't work on me.This is beautiful this girl played you like a "pro" and sorry but you got taken hook, line and sinker. Sorry, let me correct that let me school you, you should be the one saying sorry.

The money you were paying this girl she would have followed you, no matter what you did mate. This is not Thailand, girls like her here if they can fined a job will make $100 a month, if they're lucky. These girls are pros at playing on your emotions.

You paid this girl more in two days than I give my GFs in a month; I usually keep 3 GFs or 4 and they are usually a virgin until I come along and play them. I'm a player and you can't play that game, because your only here on holidays.

I'm not posting this to insult you, we're all friends here or fellow mongers, but you are a monger and she is a pro don't forget. You had a great opportunity to bring prices here back down to earth." Up to you," oh perfect I would have gave her a Jackson and when she wined about it, I would have said," Your lucky I don't have change I regularly only pay $15 and if you want here's my number, call the hotel for me or give me your number we should do this again. Maybe tell here you'll take her out to dinner later, some BS. Anyway she might storm out all pissed off, but I can almost 100% guaranty you she will or would have called you up or met you the next night, because your a guarantied customer for her.

Amator all my GFs are 3-hole and if you got your finger in her bum and then you wanted to slam the shit out of that tight but hole, you had or would have had the perfect chance the next night with a little motivation, money or BS I plan on staying with you my hole holiday if you make me happy, I'm looking for a steady GF to marry one day, but she has to be able to satisfy me. You would have been in. Be the player mate don't get played.

Like Prinz and other mongers on this board, we're here to help and love reading your posts, keep posting, become a member and I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, but if your a member you can PM myself and others where ever you are and get the best deals for P4P.

P. S. Dam I hope you didn't miss all the puns in this reply, thank you for the opportunity.

P. S. S. I sometimes get slammed, made fun of and mocked, don't sweat it. Keep your head up you could have done worse. You did have fun though.

Cheers

[ThePrinz]

At Amator,

Your experience is typical, some FL will always play the "sick mama" sob story and ask for 100$ or a gold ring or whatever, just refuse and move on or give her a small tip if she was really outstanding in her service.

The door slamming is also part of the game, all the FLs do these tricks sooner or later, guess they've learned from all those shitty Thai soap operas! .

Basically they expect you to run back to her in despair, kneel down and pray her to give you another chance. It's a way to manipulate customers and keep us by the balls, but it can often backfire. She certainly asked 80$ expecting you to give her 50$.

Anyway. 30 to 50$ for LT including GFE and good sex is a fair price considering you picked her up at Pontoon.

Pontoon has never been cheap by all means and many of the girls work in bars and KTVs and go there after 02AM so they're used to ask crazy prices to customers in their bars and they have no reason to lower their standards too much unless they're really into you in which cases they could even fuck for free if you're lucky but it's a rarety, at the very least a LT goes on for 30$ nowadays even with some street FLs let alone a pontoon stunner!

I'm sure she would agree for a week-long at 30$/day all inclusive, many girls do it if they like you and if you find a decent FL she could be ok with 150 to 300$ per month but if we talk about stunners they are never into this game unless you pay a shitload of money.

In conclusion I think you find a decent girl after all.

[ThePrinz]

After 3 weeks in Cambodia, Phnom Penh; Siem Reap and Sihanoukville in marts / April I totaly agree. Sihanoukville is the best place for mongering. You can go to the cheap places down town, you can go to victory Hill or to the beach close to golden Lion. There are plenty nice girls, all very friendly. 15-20 ST. 20-30 LT. In bars the barfine is 5 to 10.Apart the mainstream places I was really addicted to the chicken farm and a couple massages in the blue mountain area (Phnom Kieu) where I was a regular customer with my 3 viet girls, sort of dating as with one of them I shagged maybe 10 or 15 times and they treated me like her boyfriend at one point, often eating together and all. I was paying her 7-10$ for BBBJ. 69, BB, GFE, and 30-40 minutes of a decent viet massage. Once we also did anal but she's really too small to get barang dicks up her ass and honestly I'm not a fan of anal in general.

With the Farm girl I had some of the best shags in snooky, the place is very rough and most of the mongers are horrified by the whole location, but that's a big plus as it keeps barangs away and prices down!

All the girls are ok for 5$ +1$ tip and you're being generous as they would be ok even for 3-4$. Some diamonds in the rough and many average boombooms, I had a few favourites there one in particular we made a threesome with another girl a couple times for just 12$ all inclusive! Nothig special as a threesome, no lesbian action, no girls doing BBBJ together (they switch and they clean the dick at each turn) but anyway, they said they were ok coming with me on an island for 15-20$/day (so 7-10$ per girl) but then I moved to PP and who knows if they still there, there's quite a turnover of girls at the Farm and by night it can get nasty too many drunks and khmers on yaba around and the mamasans very aggressive and greedy.

[ThePrinz]

Like Prinz and other mongers on this board, we're here to help and love reading your posts, keep posting, become a member and I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, but if your a member you can PM myself and others where ever you are and get the best deals for P4P.

P. S. Dam I hope you didn't miss all the puns in this reply, thank you for the opportunity.

P. S. S. I sometimes get slammed, made fun of and mocked, don't sweat it. Keep your head up you could have done worse. You did have fun though.

CheersYes! But for a tourist I think ge got away with a decent deal after all, I've heard a lot of horror stories recently and what he paid is a fair price considering he was new to PP.

And to khmer girls, in comparison I've heard about newbies ending up paying 100 or 200$ per night and being taken to buy gold rings or shopping in upscale places or getting the latest iphone or galaxy.

For the record, I lived more than one year with my former khmer GF and I was paying her just 100$ per month, sort of being married but it was an open relationship and she allowed me to boomboom around whenever I wanted, as you said it's still a good deal for these girls and they like the status of being the girlfriend of a barang.

I had to endure the whole dramas with slamming doors, hysteria, and psyco attitudes when she's angry, it's really a game for them in the end and it can get funny sometimes, just don't give up and don't be too much impressed.

Anyway, I recommend finding a GF or a gold digger for the best deal pricewise, problem is. Sex will soon become boring after you shag the same pussy for 100 times.

On the other side there are pros and cons like in any other relationship. Even mongering every day get boring after a while.

[FatNLazy]

Hi everyone. Will be in Phnom Penh in a week. I love getting massages with BJ (Or a good HJ). Been reading the thread, which is great, but is quite long. And I've read a few places were recommended but closed. I was hoping for an update on good massage joints. I don't mind paying extra for clean and secure places and less hassle. Thanks and keep it up (like what I've read so far).

[Amator]

Hi guys,

Thanks for the replies. Yeah I knew I got played to some extent its good to see you guys don't pull your punches! Thats why I'm here, to learn so I can enjoy myself even more.

To Fast Eddie. Yep up to this point I had never done repeat business for exactly the reason you state, this time I decided to do it from sheer convenience, and to how well I could stand up to "the game"

Goober. I know I overpaid but my primary concern was exactly as you say they know I'm not an expat, they know I'm a tourist so if I try to play super hard ball like you. And chuck her 15$ I just worry exactly what kind of shit she'd pull. Knowing my luck her bloody uncle would be super police inspector and I'd be in a Cambodian prison faster than you could say Gary Glitter. I know I could have paid 30 and it would have been fine (a friend said maybe 20 might have led to some complaining). At the time I simply had no idea I could have just bull-dozed into that sweet bum with some extra cash. Guess I bought in too high from the start! Oh well lesson learned. I am happy that I didn't crack and be like one of those sad guys that ends up crying and shit with a ho at the airport, offering to saty in touch and send money. That's a line I'll never cross. This girls was a test, I knew it and I passed in that sense.

Oh and thanks for the offer of advice and support, much appreciated. I'll think about the membership after I see how it goes. I'll post another report in the thai section. And then I have some questions about Indonesia Jakarta / bandung, so if you have experience there please let me know!

[GooberMonger]

Yes! But for a tourist I think ge got away with a decent deal after all, I've heard a lot of horror stories recently and what he paid is a fair price considering he was new to PP.

And to khmer girls, in comparison I've heard about newbies ending up paying 100 or 200$ per night and being taken to buy gold rings or shopping in upscale places or getting the latest iphone or galaxy.

For the record, I lived more than one year with my former khmer GF and I was paying her just 100$ per month, sort of being married but it was an open relationship and she allowed me to boomboom around whenever I wanted, as you said it's still a good deal for these girls and they like the status of being the girlfriend of a barang...I'm one up on you there Prinz I was married to one of them, living with her parents and her sister was my GF.

Yes, they get boring and I quickly get tired of their BS and kick them out. Now I too give my GFs a maximum of $100 a month, they are not allowed to live with me because my son does and they can't come here and play mom with me changing GFs all the time. House is free through the day they take turns coming over they even know about each other.

I love the way things are clean GF no need for a condom, they are free to get another boyfriend as long as they tell me, then I bag it which I don't like and they fade off into the sunset or they pull some BS and I toss their ass out the door and tell them they're history. I don't put up with any shit there are far too many girls out there to replace them. I'm always looking for future prospects too, because like you said after you fuck them 100 times gets boring, tried every position, been in every hole, got her swallowing, that is a difficult one.

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[ThePrinz]

Hi everyone. Will be in Phnom Penh in a week. I love getting massages with BJ (Or a good HJ). Been reading the thread, which is great, but is quite long. And I've read a few places were recommended but closed. I was hoping for an update on good massage joints. I don't mind paying extra for clean and secure places and less hassle. Thanks and keep it up (like what I've read so far).As a last chance try the 24hr massages in Sothearos Blvd, they all offer HJ / BBBJ / FS, actually that's what they're all about. But the massage in itself is hit or miss.

It should be 6-7$ for oil massage but last time they asked me 20$ for a simple HJ and I refused, guess every girl sets different rates, in any case they all offer FS for 30-35$ ST in a guesthouse next door.

As a deal it tends to be a bad deal in my opinion, but so are all the other massages I had so far in the whole of Cambodia apart the cheap ones where at least you get FS for a pittance and sometimes even GFE but if we talk about proper oil massage we're very far from Thai standards and the ones doing great massages don't offer any sex or just a HJ in the best scenario at premium price.

More investigation is needed but frankly speaking I don't have money to throw out of the window trying dozens of massages in PP, it's just not my cup of tea considering the cost and the service, these girls just know shit about proper massages in my opinion.

[ThePrinz]

I'm one up on you there Prinz I was married to one of them, living with her parents and her sister was my GF.

Yes, they get boring and I quickly get tired of their BS and kick them out. Now I too give my GFs a maximum of $100 a month, they are not allowed to live with me because my son does and they can't come here and play mom with me changing GFs all the time. House is free through the day they take turns coming over they even know about each other.

I love the way things are clean GF no need for a condom, they are free to get another boyfriend as long as they tell me, then I bag it which I don't like and they fade off into the sunset or they pull some BS and I toss their ass out the door and tell them they're history. I don't put up with any shit there are far too many girls out there to replace them. I'm always looking for future prospects too, because like you said after you fuck them 100 times gets boring, tried every position, been in every hole, got her swallowing, that is a difficult one.Yeah, I started living with her and step by step my house became a shared apartment for her whole family coming for a meal or even to sleep the whole weekend, WTF!

That's one of the good reason we broke up in the end but khmer see nothing wrong on it and can't understand why we barangs put so much importance on privacy and personal space.

I tolerated this shit for a while until I finally told everybody to fuck off and for some time it worked but slowly she tried to take over my place again.

They were even convinced we would marry soon and make babies, go figure. In the meantime I was thinking on how to get rid of her and I was shagging a couple other girls every week.

Anyway, there are pros and cons anywhere and I don't regret it at all, but talking about sex khmers are not very inventive or innovative and indeed there are too many girls out there to bother too much, I'm sure even with a beautiful stunner it quickly becomes boring after a few months, nothing to do about it that's human nature and after all maybe we tend to overestimate girls, these khmers are neither porn stars nor first class sluts, apart a few porkies it's pretty hard to find one who's really wild in bed and that comes up with new ideas from time to time, no idea why there's such a big difference in porkyness between Khmers and Viets.

[GooberMonger]

Yeah, I started living with her step by step my house became a shared apartment for her whole family coming for a meal or even to sleep the whole weekend, WTF!

That's one of the good reason we broke up in the end but khmer see nothing wrong on it and can't understand why we barangs put so much importance on privacy and personal space.

I tolerated this shit for a while until I finally told everybody to fuck off and for some time it worked but slowly she tried to take over my place again.

They were even convinced we would marry soon and make babies, go figure. In the meantime I was thinking on how to get rid of her and I was shagging a couple other girls every week.That's funny so true, my ex use to never talk to me about what was bugging her she'd go to her sisters or parents. Then just rant on me F you then she says well I'm going to move in with my sister. Then comes home hi honey like nothing happened WTF is this. I told get your bags packed your going to your sister, I'm tired of supporting your whole family anyway.

So out she goes now she's begging to move back in and my other GFs got wind I'm living alone, and they all want to move in, fuck that I want to live alone. Same thing with her family my house was like a drop in centre and they'd borough shit liked they owned it. I'm like honey where's my helmet. Oh my brother boroughed it. WTF he didn't pay for it and I don't want to take the truck just around the corner, same crap with my moto disappearing. Yeah I hardly use it, but when I do. Well you know how it is.

Now I've been living on my own and I got a maid, loving it GFs come over for a booty calls any time I call and I don't have all the BS to deal with. Give them all a little money every month. Why the fck do I want one of them living with me. Now I can go out and scout newbies. Lay on some of the best BS to get into their pants, costs a little to start, but after you got that cherry mate oh it is so sweet and the 100s you spent to get there turn into well the most I can afford is $50 I'm tight for money this month. Cheap for clean pussy that you don't have to bag it. Even a Khmer friend told me about this real hot thing I wanted to move in. He said in a month her whole family will be living with you. True that.

Made the mistake once that was enough too much drama for me.

Cheers

[GooberMonger]

Goober. I know I overpaid but my primary concern was exactly as you say they know I'm not an expat, they know I'm a tourist so if I try to play super hard ball like you. And chuck her 15$ I just worry exactly what kind of shit she'd pull. Knowing my luck her bloody uncle would be super police inspector and I'd be in a Cambodian prison faster than you could say Gary Glitter. I know I could have paid 30 and it would have been fine (a friend said maybe 20 might have led to some complaining). At the time I simply had no idea I could have just bull-dozed into that sweet bum with some extra cash. Guess I bought in too high from the start! Oh well lesson learned. I am happy that I didn't crack and be like one of those sad guys that ends up crying and shit with a ho at the airport, offering to saty in touch and send money.Amator if uncle or any one had any pull in her family she wouldn't out turning tricks. Let her complain all she wants and if she wants a cop to give you a hard time ain't going to happen. Cop comes to your door it would have to be for something you did something that I can't say with out getting an infraction and tossing a girl out cause of bad service isn't going to bring a cop to your door.

Your a tourist the police love yeah, tip them they work the door at most places 50 cents a dollar tops. She makes a seen you tell her your going to get the cops and $20 will have her up to her neck in shite.

Years ago I had a friend in Thailand and he'd take the girls back to his hotel after bar fining them and in the morning kick them out the door. Now I personally don't recommend this because most of the Thai girls have Thai boyfriends and that's who you fear not the cops. This guy did this all the time, but that is a very dangerous game. I warned him many times one day. Lost touch with him, but he knew if the girls were living at the bar he said no problem. He was one crazy mother. You want money? What I paid the bar last night that's super hard ball.

Warning do not try this!

Cheers

[ThePrinz]

That's funny so true, my ex use to never talk to me about what was bugging her she'd go to her sisters or parents. Then just rant on me F you then she says well I'm going to move in with my sister. Then comes home hi honey like nothing happened WTF is this. I told get your bags packed your going to your sister, I'm tired of supporting your whole family anyway.

So out she goes now she's begging to move back in and my other GFs got wind I'm living alone, and they all want to move in, fuck that I want to live alone. Same thing with her family my house was like a drop in centre and they'd borough shit liked they owned it. I'm like honey where's my helmet. Oh my brother boroughed it. WTF he didn't pay for it and I don't want to take the truck just around the corner, same crap with my moto disappearing...Yeah, I had a similar experience with my ex GF doing all sort of drama and then sleeping in her sister's house from time to time just to start playing games the next day, she also tried to ask me money (200$) for funerals and weddings of people in her family I've never ever met, she also hinted I could pay her dentist and her doctor for some medical visits (2-300$ altogether) and what about buying a few gifts for her relatives living on the Viet border, why not staying a week in their bamboo shack. Really if you give them a finger they're going to rip off your whole arm, it's a black hole and they've big families once they hear she's dating a barang they think they hit the jackpot.

At the moment I'm dating a bargirl from a riverside bar, I won't name the bar but she's living in a shithole near 118 with other girls and sleeping in my house 2-3 nights a weeks.

She only works for ladydrinks or at least that's what she says, but I see already the same symptoms as with my ex GF, first she asked me to take one of my fans as her room is a shithole, then a new pair of shoes, and so small money for nails, a new dress, hairs, and of course breakfast and khmer meals and a few sob stories about her sick mama / sister / buffalo / whatever leading to requests of 50 or 100 bucks I refused. But she's ok with that and that's the scary thing, she must have a long term plan with me, they all have! Why else do they date barangs?

I mean it can be difficult at times to accept these situations but that's just the way this place is.

Looking from a broader perspective Phnom Penh and Siem Reap are the only islands of civilization in the whole of Cambodia, the rest of the country is incredibly fucked up, while we barangs see PP as a backward and chaotic place where nothing ever works and nothings is ever done properly for the khmers it's best place in Cambo by all means. I've seen shit in the countryside that maybe rivals some shock photos used by NGOs to beg for money about poverty in Africa and Bangladesh and yeah that's exactly where most of the bargirls are born and come from.

Girls told me stories about soup and noodles being sold for as low as 1000 riels in the remote villages, of relative living fairly well with 50 bucks / month, and even about people living without money at all and getting all their needs in exchange of rice bags and live chickens at the market, water, cigarettes, food, phone cards, gasoline, everything.

Who needs dollars when you have rice? Guess they also fuck KTV girls and pay them with 10kg of rice, that would be funny.

Said that, people in the poorest areas always looked like the happiest bunch in my experience, the difference with those in the city is like day and night! They're only problem is the lack of hospitals and the awful schools but for anything else they have it better than those living in shitholes in PP. There's plenty of food and everything is dirt cheap.

I've never had sex in villages but it must be their wild dream to let you marry one of their daughters, a barang in the family is seen as the solution for all their troubles, if here in PP you're a walking ATM in the countryside you're seen as a whole bank and who can blame them considering a brand new bamboo shack will cost you no more than 2-3000$ as far as they told me and last for decades, the cost of living there can be as much as 100:1 compared to the west for many things no wonder they all think we're rich.

Conclusion, I think it's unavoidable that there will be always a "wall" between us and khmer girls and their families, the gap in buying power is just way too big.

Sex is their way to sneak into our pockets and suck as much money they can while it last and they know it aint last forever.

[ThePrinz]

The moral of the story?

These girls are takers, not givers!

You can be lucky and find a relatively "good girl" that doesn't squeeze you like a lemon and that over time becomes a decent girlfriend or even a good wife, but it's the exception to the rule, they fit better in the "gold digger" category than as a plain hookers and bargirls.

A typical ***** will be always and only focusing on making quick bucks with the least effort.

That's what their job is really all about.

I mean even yesterday night me and the girl I'm dating at the moment met one of her old friends and after chatting a while she gives us an update, she broke with her ex barang BF and her baby is now staying with her mama, she's pennyless and started working in a bar in the riverside since a few days, her plan is finding a rich sucker and get pregnant again, which is the same plan she did with her previous guys (she have 2 babies already but still looking good, great ass especially).

Another of their friends called, she lost money at the casino and now she's selling the ipad and iphone, she broke with her ex german BF and now's planning to find a new rich sponsor, two babies, and a gambling / drinking addiction. What the fuck. The more I hang out with these girls the more they all share the same stories and the same mental issues and bullshit attitudes, and these are gold diggers not proper hookers by the way, so they're supposed to be a bit higher on the social ladder.

All I can say is, they can be all great fun and great companionship, but don't fall in love with them or you're fucked.

[SmallBird]

The moral of the story?

These girls are takers, not givers!

You can be lucky and find a relatively "good girl" that doesn't squeeze you like a lemon and that over time becomes a decent girlfriend or even a good wife, but it's the exception to the rule, they fit better in the "gold digger" category than as a plain hookers and bargirls.

A typical * will be always and only focusing on making quick bucks with the least effort.

That's what their job is really all about.

I mean even yesterday night me and the girl I'm dating at the moment met one of her old friends and after chatting a while she gives us an update, she broke with her ex barang BF and her baby is now staying with her mama, she's pennyless and started working in a bar in the riverside since a few days, her plan is finding a rich sucker and get pregnant again, which is the same plan she did with her previous guys (she have 2 babies already but still looking good, great ass especially).

Another of their friends called, she lost money at the casino and now she's selling the ipad and iphone, she broke with her ex german BF and now's planning to find a new rich sponsor, two babies, and a gambling / drinking addiction. What the fuck. The more I hang out with these girls the more they all share the same stories and the same mental issues and bullshit attitudes, and these are gold diggers not proper hookers by the way, so they're supposed to be a bit higher on the social ladder.

All I can say is, they can be all great fun and great companionship, but don't fall in love with them or you're fucked.Bro,

I agree with your view. Cambodian are renown international beggar. Everyone knows it.

Can't defy A lot of Cambodians are nice, but begging is really part of their culture. If anyone understands this, they have no surprise on the behavior of certain locals.

[Neiht]

Second it Prinz save your money for PP where that 800 Baht girl would have cost 200 Baht or less. For 3000 Baht you can get real nice Chinese and / or Korean girls out of the Royal or Naga World. Good place across the street from the Korean embassy too, if you want to spend money.

CheersGooberMonger or any Bro in PP, may I ask for suggestion of where the Chinese & Korean girls are? I will be in PP for just a short overnight next Tuesday, and have not yet done a Korean, so what the heck, if they are at 100 $US, I would give them a go. Thanks in advance for your help!

[GooberMonger]

GooberMonger or any Bro in PP, may I ask for suggestion of where the Chinese & Korean girls are? I will be in PP for just a short overnight next Tuesday, and have not yet done a Korean, so what the heck, if they are at 100 $US, I would give them a go. Thanks in advance for your help!Neiht you can find Chinese girls at the bar in the back of the Royal Phnom Penh Hotel and across the street from the Korean embassy, there is a place with some nice Korean girls. I've seen some in Naga World Casino or around Naga. Only places I know, real lookers lot's of 9/10. I love them myself them and Japanese girls yummy. Will cost you $50+ ST try and do $80 max. Because I like to go and do them myself and their use to rich Chinese, Korean and Japanese customers or their prices would be lower. If you like long time go $100 and tell her you'll tip her for good FS too. Might get one.

Have a good time,

Cheers

[Traveler1234]

First time here, colleague booked nice hotel coincidentally near St 51 so after dinner took a tuk tuk with him for visit. He is BKK local and second ever visit him. OMG, what a dive. Can't believe anyone would visit this street. We walked up / down, dropped in at few places for a 'look'. Too early for Heart of Darkness (9 pm opening) but the 'best' place appeared to be Shanghai. Girls had number badges. Had a beer at two bars, polity declined the back massage from a 3/10 at best.

Tonight, might check out NayNay bar and LeCyree. So far not impressed. The BKK BG girls look like models compared to what I have seen so far, can't wait to return this weekend to LOS. POV

[Member #4698]

First time here, colleague booked nice hotel coincidentally near St 51 so after dinner took a tuk tuk with him for visit. He is BKK local and second ever visit him. OMG, what a dive. Can't believe anyone would visit this street. We walked up / down, dropped in at few places for a 'look'. Too early for Heart of Darkness (9 pm opening) but the 'best' place appeared to be Shanghai. Girls had number badges. Had a beer at two bars, polity declined the back massage from a 3/10 at best.

Tonight, might check out NayNay bar and LeCyree. So far not impressed. The BKK BG girls look like models compared to what I have seen so far, can't wait to return this weekend to LOS. POVHey Traveler, don't give up on Phnom Penh. The place kind of grows on you if you give it a chance. You should try some of the 104 St bars like Zanzibar, Colonial, and Rose Bar. Khmer girls are really delightful.

But you are talking to the choir here. BKK girls are my all time favorites.

[GooberMonger]

First time here, colleague booked nice hotel coincidentally near St 51 so after dinner took a tuk tuk with him for visit. He is BKK local and second ever visit him. OMG, what a dive. Can't believe anyone would visit this street. We walked up / down, dropped in at few places for a 'look'. Too early for Heart of Darkness (9 pm opening) but the 'best' place appeared to be Shanghai. Girls had number badges. Had a beer at two bars, polity declined the back massage from a 3/10 at best.

Tonight, might check out NayNay bar and LeCyree. So far not impressed. The BKK BG girls look like models compared to what I have seen so far, can't wait to return this weekend to LOS. POVTraveller 1 Street 51 is where most of the hardened used up girls go. 2 Don't judge things on first impressions. 3 You can't find a shag in BKK for 300 Baht with a nice looking girl. 4 Bangkok has as many people as all of Cambodia.

I've lived in both places and Thailand has knock out girls no doubt, but so does Cambodia and if you want to pay a 1000 baht bar fine and 2000 baht LT for one of those girls fine, but the service I find in Thailand, sorry the girls have lost that loving feeling and won't even give FS for that money.

That's 3000 Baht over $100 USD mate and that kind of money with get you a 9/10, hell I can get virgins for that, try and find a virgin in Thailand I never found one in 3 years I lived there that would give it up.

You want to spend the money you'd spend in Nana, Soi Cowboy or in Pats go to Naga World or The Royal, if you want P4P at a good price you need to shop around Pontoon or Street 104 you can fined the odd 7-9/10 in the crowed and it will cost you 1500 Baht LT tops don't pay more. The girl might walk away, but she'll be back.

Like wise if you could speak Khmer you entre a whole new world, and your Khmer GF doesn't tell you you have to pay 10, 000 baht a month to take care of her family if you want her to be your GF. I have 4 GFs here that cost me the same as I had to pay for one hot Thai GF.

Happy mongering mate, sorry I love Thailand too, but you pay for it and the service seems to get worse every year, just my opinion.

Cheers

[FreebieFan]

) but the 'best' place appeared to be Shanghai. Girls had number badges. Had a beer at two bars, polity declined the back massage from a 3/10 at best.

Tonight, might check out NayNay bar and LeCyree. So far not impressed.Theres a cute barmaid in Shanghai called Sally. If she likes you, and of course if you buy her a drink or two, she will go with customers, no need for bf.

[Phil Istine]

I think that ThePrinz is being a bit tough on the Khmers, many of their circumstances are desperate. Inflation is rampant in Cambodia and money does not go far for the poor. Lately I have met many girls without babies, which is good. If one does have a baby in the Bush then milk powder costs about $11 a can and they need two a month. School costs a minimum 500 baht a day for year one and goes upsharply after that.

If a girl doesn't have a moto then transportation adds up, a lot of girls don't live locally. Using a moto to and from work can easily add up to more than sixty dollars a month- theres the wage gone. Health care is not cheap in the Bush and khmers are often sick, especially with stomach problems. A visit to a quack in the Bush costs ten to twenty dollars, having a baby at the rural clinic can be up to a hundred dollars.

And the girls have to look goid to attract customers so clothes, hair and nails all cost money.

But the biggest obligation is the family and that will nevef change in a poor society.

[FreebieFan]

Hi, I know there are many reports about buses from PP to Sinhanoukville, but does any reader know if I can hire taxi / van from airport to Sihanoukville. Have a flight arriving there and rather than go into town and arrange a bus just want to get on the road and get there. Any help appreciated as always.

[Joyra]

Hi, I know there are many reports about buses from PP to Sinhanoukville, but does any reader know if I can hire taxi / van from airport to Sihanoukville. Have a flight arriving there and rather than go into town and arrange a bus just want to get on the road and get there. Any help appreciated as always.Hi,

Please check you PM. Have sent some contact details.

Cheers!

[Traveler1234]

Hey Traveler, don't give up on Phnom Penh. The place kind of grows on you if you give it a chance. You should try some of the 104 St bars like Zanzibar, Colonial, and Rose Bar. Khmer girls are really delightful.Family friend picking me for dinner and I have calls to make after dinner. Hopefully will have some time on Wednesday, my last night in town. My earlier post was merely first impression, and we all know need to work a little harder.

[FreebieFan]

Hi,

Please check you PM. Have sent some contact details.

Cheers!This board works really well when members help members. ! Appreciate your help and the info provided

[ThePrinz]

First time here, colleague booked nice hotel coincidentally near St 51 so after dinner took a tuk tuk with him for visit. He is BKK local and second ever visit him. OMG, what a dive. Can't believe anyone would visit this street. We walked up / down, dropped in at few places for a 'look'. Too early for Heart of Darkness (9 pm opening) but the 'best' place appeared to be Shanghai. Girls had number badges. Had a beer at two bars, polity declined the back massage from a 3/10 at best.

Tonight, might check out NayNay bar and LeCyree. So far not impressed. The BKK BG girls look like models compared to what I have seen so far, can't wait to return this weekend to LOS. POVYawn! I heard these remarks a million times so far, and always from fat old ugly bald farangs / Barangs / Laowais who are very far from looking like Brad Pitt!

It seems like if the girl isn't at least a 9/10 stunner they can't even get their dick hard, please give me a break and look yourself in the mirror.

Yeah, Shanghai has probably the best girls in 51, as long as they're ok to go out with customers as that's not always the case.

Str 104 comes next, as for the real stunners there are not many as you've noticed, mainly Nagaworld and a few expensive KTVs for Khmers and Koreans where western tourists and expats aren't welcome unless they're introduced by a local.

Enjoy PP for what it is, this aint BKK or Phuket or Hongkong but the prices are still relatively cheap in comparison and the vibe is more down to heart.

You'll see better girls in Vietnam but it can cost you an arm and a leg over there, the Viet in PP are hit or miss and a lot rougher than in Saigon but there are some farm fresh Viets in Sihanoukville.

[Traveler1234]

You can't find a shag in BKK for 300 Baht with a nice looking girl.

If you want P4P at a good price you need to shop around Pontoon or Street 104 you can fined the odd 7-9/10 in the crowed and it will cost you 1500 Baht LT tops don't pay more. The girl might walk away, but she'll be back.Didn't know 300 p4p available anywhere in the world anymore. ;)

And I did say first impressions, not final conclusions!

[On The Road]

Hi,

Please check you PM. Have sent some contact details.

Cheers!I will appreciate some contact too, thanks a lot! .

[Rick Rock]

Didn't know 300 p4p available anywhere in the world anymore. ;)It's available in many places. You could probably even say most of the world, though the quality is about what you would imagine.

Did you think the 55% of the men in the world who live on less than $2 a day were totally excluded from paid sex?

If you can get a BBJNQNS in major cities of the US (the richest country in the world) for $20, what do you think goes on in countries where people make $30 a month on average?

You usually have to be local or have a good amount of knowledge to find it, but not always. Especially with the advent of the internet.

In Managua, Nicaragua for example you'll pay $7 for short time on premises in a massive bar / brothel that you can find on your first 10 minutes in town.

Similar rates can be found in the Dominican Republic, Guatemala, Haiti, Bangladesh and other countries with just a bit of searching.

Of course the open places on known tourist routes are going to be a lot more!

[Traveler1234]

Hey guys, settle down. I'm been doing this longer than most of you. No I am no longer young and hansum. And I'm not looking for 8/10 or more. But I don't want to screw just anything and what I saw on st 51 was downright nasty, except for shanghai.

I took a stroll through 104 late this afternoon, around 5 pm. Happened to be in the area after a biz meeting. Even dropped in to the 24/7 nay nay bar and had a quick beer. No disrespect to those who have patronized this place but got to be honest. Didn't see anything to take upstairs, even for B$300. POV.

So that's my second impression. I will try Cyrcee if time permits tonight. BTW, driving south along river, saw what appeared to be a MP with large parking lot. Called Lucky Eight? .

Peace

PS...I should mention traveling with a colleague who is expat Thai, tri-lingual and young/hansum. He wouldn't even come in with me for a drink :D

[GooberMonger]

Hey guys, settle down. I'm been doing this longer than most of you. No I am no longer young and hansum. And I'm not looking for 8/10 or more. But I don't want to screw just anything and what I saw on st 51 was downright nasty, except for shanghai.

I took a stroll through 104 late this afternoon, around 5 pm. Happened to be in the area after a biz meeting. Even dropped in to the 24/7 nay nay bar and had a quick beer. No disrespect to those who have patronized this place but got to be honest. Didn't see anything to take upstairs, even for B$300. POV.

So that's my second impression. I will try Cyrcee if time permits tonight. BTW, driving south along river, saw what appeared to be a MP with large parking lot. Called Lucky Eight? .

Peace.

PS. I should mention traveling with a colleague who is expat Thai, tri-lingual and young / hansum. He wouldn't even come in with me for a drink.Well there's your problem you'll only find desperate ya-ba freaks at 5 pm. Try 9 or 10 pm when things get going, the girls are at home making dinner when your looking for something like at least a 6/10.

Cheers

[Dccpa]

I am having difficulties posting to the Forum. I can log in ok then after I write my post and hit up load it takes me back to re-entre my password then it redirects me to a blank page and I try and go the other route and same thing. I have to go back to where I wrote the post.

I don't see my post from this morning yet and had the same problem?That used to happen to me until I figured out how to fix the problem. The way you are logged in is time limited. And if you are a slow writer like me, you can time out while writing a report.

Rule 1. If you wrote a long post, copy it before sending it.

Rule 2. When you log in, check the box to box beside the log in password to keep you logged in. You will need to log out when you are done visiting the site, but you should no longer have to worry about being timed out.

[Traveler1234]

Patience and perseverance.

After biz dinner, strolled over to Sharky first. I have a friend who claims to be the owner back home, figured he is a small shareholder. Wrong. He is the boss man. The bar maid and waitress at first didn't believe I knew him so dialed him stateside, then got VIP treatment. Place was busy, lots, of FL, maybe 1-2 decent, mostly 5/10. They have started a pool competition 2-3 days a week. Waitresses young, cute and friendly. Maybe because I know their boss. A 5/10 Vietnam FL started stroking me everywhere but after a couple of beers, said goodbye to try the famous Cyrcee.

Surprise. Opened the front door, swarmed by a dozen young ones, thinking I was either Japanese or Singaporean. Ordered a beer, told the girls to sit while I chatted with the owner Hasan. Very personable french expat, owned the bar for last 10 yrs. He enlightened me re St 51 (his words: shit, drugs and thieves) , then St 104 and of course his place. Bought drinks for two young bar maids. Sprite mixed with warm Angkor beer. LOL.

While chatting, several Japanese patrons came in, went upstairs to a private room and the girls followed. Hasan says 25-30% of his clients are Asian. They like to get a bottle, drink and quietly party before shagging across the street. He obviously likes them, they spend money and aren't troublemakers. Few minutes later 6 girls come down and I spot a young spinner, less than 5 ft. 39 kg, super nice rack. Beauty in the eyes of beholder. 7-8/10. Bought her drink, small talk, then off to the races across the street. Had good time, nice BBBJ, multiple positions, no rushing. Got pictures but promised not to post, sorry guys. $25 for her, $5 for room, $2 for condom. By the way, lady drinks $3, house gets $2, $1 the girl.

So, on my last night, tasted some local cuisine. Will try Nay Nay later in evening if I return.

[GooberMonger]

That used to happen to me until I figured out how to fix the problem. The way you are logged in is time limited. And if you are a slow writer like me, you can time out while writing a report.

Rule 1. If you wrote a long post, copy it before sending it.

Rule 2. When you log in, check the box to box beside the log in password to keep you logged in. You will need to log out when you are done visiting the site, but you should no longer have to worry about being timed out.Thank you very much mate,

Cheers

[GooberMonger]

Patience and perseverance.

After biz dinner, strolled over to Sharky first. I have a friend who claims to be the owner back home, figured he is a small shareholder. Wrong. He is the boss man. The bar maid and waitress at first didn't believe I knew him so dialed him stateside, then got VIP treatment. Place was busy, lots, of FL, maybe 1-2 decent, mostly 5/10. They have started a pool competition 2-3 days a week. Waitresses young, cute and friendly. Maybe because I know their boss. A 5/10 Vietnam FL started stroking me everywhere but after a couple of beers, said goodbye to try the famous Cyrcee...Great to hear you had a good time and paid a normal price. Traveller it's no difference in Thailand the girls love the Asian customer, because Asians they are the ones with deep pockets who are driving up prices to the same as back home for P4P. You never seen them years ago at K11 where you got a $5 ST with some hot Vietnamese girls. Damn NGO spoiled that it was a sad day in Cambodian history. NGOs are fine to help people in need, but don't think they should interfere in a countries culture or religion. Come Jesus with save you and we'll feed you. Another topic.

Thinking about relocating to Central or South America, maybe even Africa, but in Africa I find you don't have as much selection. Where in the Americas you can have anything from a Blonde blue eyed to a African American girl lots of variety I like. Getting a tired of LBFMs like the Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Chinese more now. After having hundreds of the LBFMs they all start to be the same.

Mind you the Americas are a lot more dangerous in my opinion, could be wrong. But places like Paraguay, Columbia, Nicaragua and Venezuela offer up a wide variety. Also they're mostly cheaper than even Cambodia or on par. Just my opinion for what that's worth.

Sharky, I go for a night of partying a lot of tourist having a good time, good atmosphere, can't remember the last time taking a girl out of there and been going there for over 10 years, got a good steak by the way Australian beef and cheap price. I have even stopped in for a bite before a night of drinking.

In closing glad your starting to see the good side of town; I like that Cambodia isn't too westernized like Thailand. Lastly best hamburgers in town Mike's burgers on Rissian Blvd. North side just east of Mao Sae Tung; owner is a Cambodian American imports his beef from the USA.

Cheers.

[GooberMonger]

Almost forgot I've been ignoring one of my GFs for over a month, picked her up off to the GH. Had 3-hole service with a little motivation, I'm so full of it I almost believe myself told her well last time we were together you didn't give me a very good BBBJ and I'm not feeling the love, enough said, I reach down to feel that tight little pussy she has that has only seen my cock and she's socking wet. Bam, I'm hard as a rock nothing I love more than nice wet girl anyway 3 hours later.

I pull out BB FS and blow a huge load all over her back. Beautiful.

Most of my friend don't think she's pretty too dark skin, I think she's hot smoking slim body, nice tits, tight wet little pussy and my favourite she has a great ass. Was so happy gave her $100 for the month, see you again next week or sooner.

She has a real pretty face too, Khmers and them judging girls on how dark there skin is, so stupid. Do these guys not have a mirror. No problem leave them all to me, even they think they're no pretty because their skin is too dark. Girl back home would die for that tan and they pay a lot of money for it.

I usually do her at least 5 times a week, so that's only $20 a pop, for a real GF3 that I don't need to bag it with. I get bugged a bit when you going to marry me, no honey you should be more worried about when I'm going to dump you. After reminding her that she was a real cow girl you keep riding like that and I'll keep you around. They need a little reminding or some of my BS to get them motivated from time to time.

Been talking about everyone else and what they're up too, thought I better let use in on my mongering. Off today to work on a newbie 23 year old virgin her sister I had the hots for but some Barang married her, she was working in a hotel, I wasn't quick enough on that one solid 8/10 great tits speaks English great. Oh, well I'll be spending most of the day with her, she lost her job called me last night has no money. I'm going to give her the what kind of husband you have he doesn't take care of his wife he doesn't love you. She only spent two days with the guy he had an engagement party with her popped her cherry. I don't mind taking over, I'm pretty sure she never had an orgasm. I'll fucking rock her world spend a week in bed with her like I did with all my other newbies, difficult to give a girl an orgasm that's never had one before. Need my kit some vitamin V and some of my toys. If I get in there she'll forget his name.

Anyway worse comes to worse I got her sister already done deal any time I want to pop that one she's a 7-8/10 hot too, but doesn't speak any English, not a problem most of my GFs don't. Said it before and say it again learn to speak the language puts you into a whole new game I speak K'mai and Thai trust me. You can go where no Barang has gone before these are the voyages of the Goober Monger to seek out forgotten girls and virgins. Haha ok ok LOL.

Cheers.

[Joyra]

I will appreciate some contact too, thanks a lot! .Hi,

Sent it to you too.

Have a good stay.

Cheers.

[ThePrinz]

Didn't know 300 p4p available anywhere in the world anymore. .

And I did say first impressions, not final conclusions!Most of the street hookers in what Phnom area are ok with 5-6$ ST and the ones in Toul Kork are ok with 7-8$.

Or try snooky's chicken farm. 5$ flat price and once they gave me a discount. 3.75$ for FS!

And you can go even cheaper than that. Try the 2$ massages before the Japanese bridge and add a 1-2$ tip for a HJ.

My ex GF also insisted she heard some trashy / sick street hookers go with khmers for 2 bucks, that's probably the very bottom of the barrel in PP but I'm not interested to try it out.

[The Wookie]

Most of the street hookers in what Phnom area are ok with 5-6$ ST and the ones in Toul Kork are ok with 7-8$.

Or try snooky's chicken farm. 5$ flat price and once they gave me a discount. 3.75$ for FS!

And you can go even cheaper than that. Try the 2$ massages before the Japanese bridge and add a 1-2$ tip for a HJ.

My ex GF also insisted she heard some trashy / sick street hookers go with khmers for 2 bucks, that's probably the very bottom of the barrel in PP but I'm not interested to try it out.A few quesions :

What about the quality of the service or looks of the girl. Some of the stories I've read describe very dodgy or not so appealing situations. Also drugs come into play. Isn't it a matter of, you get what you pay for, or are there "gems" to be found?

BTW, everybody always mentions Snooky chickenfarms, aren't there also chickenfarms in PP?

Thanks

[Rick Rock]

I stayed in PP for a short while working and managed to scope out the scene pretty well.

ThePrinz is laying down cheap charlie 101. Not being careful with money but overpaying. The girls who go for 5 bucks are the worst of the worst, the most desperate of the most desperate. Low quality, no emotion, no skills, and very often no shower. The reason motodops go with them is because they can't afford anything better. As a foreigner (especially one who doesn't speak the language) you're more likely to get robbed or ripped off than provided with a good time.

You don't have to overpay to get something decent. Many bar girls will go for $20-25 short and 35-40 long time if you act like you know what you're doing. You can take a girl for a whole month for $200-300.

Nay Nay is hit or miss. One of the only day time options but at any giving time 8 out of 10 girls won't be in the bar. Cyrcee opens later but is much more reliable.

Guys like Traveler1234 who are looking for stunners should check out Darling Darling in Nagaworld. You'll pay a little more, but still cheaper than taking a girl out from a Bangkok Agogo nowadays (since he's coming from there that's his frame of reference).

Believe it or not there is tons of free action to be had with girls that range from average to excellent but it requires things like respecting yourself and the women you approach, shaving / showering / brushing your teeth, and trading the swim trunks for a pair of trousers.

Goober is right that there are tons of virgins available, including dozens that work in PP bars, but most of them will want to get married before giving it up. Short of that they'll want a large lump sum to hand over to their families (which is what they'd get from the groom in the form of the bride price anyway). We're talking 2000-5000 dollars. I don't know where he claims to be getting his girls, and that's part of the problem. He seems to come here to gloat more than anything. When he does mention a location it's always "near" something, in a place we mere mortals could never find because we don't have high up friends like him. No way to know if it's legit at all.

[The Wookie]

I stayed in PP for a short while working and managed to scope out the scene pretty well.

ThePrinz is laying down cheap charlie 101.

You don't have to overpay to get something decent. Many bar girls will go for $20-25 short and 35-40 long time if you act like you know what you're doing. You can take a girl for a whole month for $200-300.

Nay Nay is hit or miss.

Guys like Traveler1234 who are looking for stunners should check out Nagaworld.

Believe it or not there is tons of free action to be had with girls that range from average to excellent

Goober is right that there are tons of virgins available, including dozens that work in PP bars, but.Thanks, nice summary and fresh point of view.

I can't wait to get there.

[GooberMonger]

I stayed in PP for a short while working and managed to scope out the scene pretty well.

ThePrinz is laying down cheap charlie 101. Not being careful with money but overpaying. The girls who go for 5 bucks are the worst of the worst, the most desperate of the most desperate. Low quality, no emotion, no skills, and very often no shower. The reason motodops go with them is because they can't afford anything better. As a foreigner (especially one who doesn't speak the language) you're more likely to get robbed or ripped off than provided with a good time.

You don't have to overpay to get something decent. Many bar girls will go for $20-25 short and 35-40 long time if you act like you know what you're doing. You can take a girl for a whole month for $200-300.

Nay Nay is hit or miss. One of the only day time options but at any giving time 8 out of 10 girls won't be in the bar. Cyrcee opens later but is much more reliable...What are you going on about? I told Traveller that at 5pm on street 51 he wasn't going to fined anything better than a ya-ma girl and to go over to street 104 after 8 or 9pm before anything decent was around. I've told many mongers if they want quality to go to Naga and The Royal.

I put one post up about what I've been up too in the last month and that's gloating?

You contradict yourself about not being able to fined cheap P4P. In your own words," It's available in many places. You could probably even say most of the world, though the quality is about what you would imagine.

Did you think the 55% of the men in the world who live on less than $2 a day were totally excluded from paid sex?

If you can get a BBJNQNS in major cities of the US (the richest country in the world) for $20, what do you think goes on in countries where people make $30 a month on average?"

Then Bride Price this isn't Thailand. There is no Bride Price. I don't know a single person who has ever been married in Cambodia who paid a Bride Price. Your getting confused Rick.

As far as having to marry a girl to get her to give it up (her virginity) you don't have to marry them at least I don't anymore, once I was married here. I've said where I fined my girls

You just forgot I guess. You can't marry a girl here if your over 50 and / or make less than $2500USD a month, thank you H. E. Hun Sen. I was going to write an E-book on how to get virgins in Cambodia. Started it but got to busy with more entertaining things.

Now time for me to gloat as you call it. I call it good and entertaining stuff to read.

Couple VN girls called me up wanted to come over no problem one is an ex who still loves me and set me up with another VN (Virgin) sometime back I posted about it,

Anyway let's get to the good stuff, I swear VN girl are just natural so easy to train don't even have to train them compared to their counter parts the Khmer girls. Quick note love the chicken farm in snooky too Prinz. Ok back to this afternoon, we both have a shower not that I think VN girls need one they're very clean never had a smelly one all delicious and she was after giving her a proper tongue lashing, nice trimmed up Bush on her too, must have learnt that from my ex. Then we went to a crossed position and I teased her slipping it in a little then out and back in a little deeper and she wanted it all after the licking she got she didn't want to wait another second for me to entre that warm oh so wet tight hole. Then I thrust-ed it all the way in balls deep, she let out a mone of relief and a wince of pain. Then we went with trusting and some clitoral stimulation, after about 15-20 minutes. A light comes on I have never had her cowboy yet. So I pull out embrace her roll over on my back, spread her legs and re-entre. So she's not quite sure what to do, I grab her nice firm ass and start pumping her. Then I get her lying on top of me sliding up and down. After that all I had to do was feel her tits and caress her beautiful soft skin and she had it down pat. Bumping and grinding, sliding and pumping beautiful. After about another 15-20 minutes of that. It was my turn I grabbed that firm little 21 year old ass tight and got her into some heavy sliding pumping harder and faster then I'm about to bust a nut and I'm trying to get her off me and she doesn't now what I'm doing so instead of having a great CAOHF I up load all over my stomach. She's spent at this time and lays her head on my crest and starts playing with GG and doing a little finger in the ice cream taste test. Beautiful, damn I love these VN girls they're naturals excellent GF FS in such a short time compared to like I said before, where I need my Vitamin V and some toys to get a mone, but they are with the effort too. Once a Khmer girl gets it they're just as wild and freaky. Problem is most of them learned from a minute man and never had the big O. Now, I got some of my long time GF Khmer girls that are multi-orgasmic machines. God bless them.

Eat your heart out Rick that's a slow day.

Oh and yes I'm very well connected, welcome to mt neighbourhood.

Cheers.

[Rick Rock]

Then Bride Price this isn't Thailand. There is no Bride Price. I don't know a single person who has ever been married in Cambodia who paid a Bride Price. Your getting confused Rick.You've just completely discredited yourself.

"All men in Cambodia when they got married have to save a lot of money for dowry pay to the girl who they love as $3000 or $5000 might be $10000 depending on the girl family is rich or poor" -http://www.jasminelodge.com/others.php?id=21

"the going price for a college-educated bride with a good income in Phnom Penh is about $10, 000.". http://engagedincambodia.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/step-1-bride-price/

"Marrying a Cambodian girl requires the prospective bridegroom to pay a lump sum of cash to the bride's family. In theory, this money is used exclusively for the wedding. But if you're a foreigner, you're kidding yourself if you think all that money is only going to the wedding. Regardless, the groom pays the cash while the bride's family does all the planning and production. The price is determined by the relative wealth of the families of the bride and groom. A poor Cambodian man marrying a girl of equal status may pay only $500 to $1000. An upper-class wedding can easily run well over $10, 000 with almost no upper limit. With foreigners it's a little different. Although there are certainly exceptions, the standard price for foreign man / Khmer woman marriages is generally around $5, 000, which assumes she's a virgin, or at least believed to be so by her family, and she is not from an upper-class family. If you're marrying a taxi girl, well, that shouldn't cost you more than a cheap ring and two bottles of whiskey. For now.". http://www.talesofasia.com/cambodia-commissions.htm

"The dowry was $4k in a large envelope paid to the family before the wedding. I've heard of similar figures being bandied around for other 'greys' or 'good' girls.". http://www.khmer440.com/chat_forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1737

[HenryV]

Where exactly is Cyrcee, and the Royal.

Thank you.


Hey guys, settle down. I'm been doing this longer than most of you. No I am no longer young and hansum. And I'm not looking for 8/10 or more. But I don't want to screw just anything and what I saw on st 51 was downright nasty, except for shanghai.

I took a stroll through 104 late this afternoon, around 5 pm. Happened to be in the area after a biz meeting. Even dropped in to the 24/7 nay nay bar and had a quick beer. No disrespect to those who have patronized this place but got to be honest. Didn't see anything to take upstairs, even for B$300. POV.

So that's my second impression. I will try Cyrcee if time permits tonight. BTW, driving south along river, saw what appeared to be a MP with large parking lot. Called Lucky Eight? .

Peace.

PS. I should mention traveling with a colleague who is expat Thai, tri-lingual and young / hansum. He wouldn't even come in with me for a drink.

[GooberMonger]

You've just completely discredited yourself.

"All men in Cambodia when they got married have to save a lot of money for dowry pay to the girl who they love as $3000 or $5000 might be $10000 depending on the girl family is rich or poor"

-http://www.jasminelodge.com/others.php?id=21

"the going price for a college-educated bride with a good income in Phnom Penh is about $10, 000.".

http://engagedincambodia.wordpress.com/2012/05/29/step-1-bride-price/

"Marrying a Cambodian girl requires the prospective bridegroom to pay a lump sum of cash to the bride's family. In theory, this money is used exclusively for the wedding...You have accredited me thank you, definition of a dowry,"A natural endowment or gift; a talent." You are not paying a dowry you are paying for the wedding and all expenses. I have lived here for over eight years and I married a virgin here. Her family actually paid for half of my wedding because they wanted a Barang in the family. They look at you as an ATM or as my friends joke your a gold fish.

You are reading what some reporter wrote, I bet you believe everything you read or hear on the news too. You probably believe in Santa Claus too.

I've been to many weddings and the groom pays for everything that what the money is for and what you do is sit down with the family and figure out what the wedding, food entertainment, video, pictures, clothes and can't forget alcohol every cost, oh and Monks too almost forgot Buddha's blessing. Oh, one more thing the license you have to pay for to have the reception, can't have a big party without paying the commune chief or Sangkat.

A wedding in the countryside will most likely cost you about $3000 quote from your own post," In theory, this money is used exclusively for the wedding." That is not in theory that is fact. And I have paid just for engagements now, because we can't marry Khmer girls if your over 50 and / or must have an income of $2500USD a month or more. I've paid as little as $300 to get engaged to a farm girl and most I don't even pay for an engagement, but I'm not going to tell how that is done.

I've been to weddings that cost from as little as $2000, don't eat the food, to weddings that cost tens of thousands of dollars.

Now that you have first hand knowledge, not hear say. Let me fill you in on a fact that you or your reports haven't mentioned, not that I bothered to read them, because they don't tell all the facts. Everyone you invite to your wedding gets an envelope to put money in as a gift for the bride and groom, invite all the people you know with money and family you have to invite too, but you won't get as large a gift if your marrying a girl from a poor family, but rich families I've seen the bride and groom given a house from their family.

They keep a ledger (that's a book for recording names and totaling the monetary amount given by each guest) and most of the time this pays you back for everything the wedding cost and more if your Khmer, if your a Barang most likely it won't cover everything, but if you know the costs of things here and lived here for sometime you'll get a virgin bride for free.

In closing I would like any other person to post their experience getting married to a Khmer girl and if you got stiffed, please tell how long you have been in the country and what you know about Khmer customs. Another thing always hire police for protection as weddings have become a target for robbery. It's a good score for a thief to grab your gift box. I had a dozen MPs at my wedding, but my uncle is a MP General. Or-goon poo (that is k'mai for "thank you uncle") My uncle still loves me, we have common tastes.

And Rick no offence but your a real nice guy, let me know when your in town we'll go for a beer.

Cheers

[GooberMonger]

Where exactly is Cyrcee, and the Royal.

Thank you.Cycree is a Bar and night club just off 130 st on Street 49 #13 lots of girls go after 8 for best selection and The Royal is Raffles Hotel Le Royal address 92 Rukhak Vithei Daun Penh, Sangkat what Phnom, Phnom Penh, girls are expensive for Cambodia about the same as Thai gogo girl, top quality. Go to the bar at the back of the hotel.

Cheers

[Traveler1234]

Looks like two local experts, GM and RR are comparing dick sizes. Peace brothers :)

[Wendella]

I wouldn't know, I can't see GM's posts at all. Hopefully this gets figured out soon. He did PM me back, didn't block me on his end.

We'll see what happens.

In the meantime, I'm saddened to know that a dick war broke out and I missed it.

[Rick Rock]

No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that.

GM says he has an unlimited supply of unmarried virgins, but says none of us are skilled or connected enough to get them. Okay, so what's the point of discussing them? Is this place for sharing info or writing erotica?

Now that's he's denied the existence of the bride price in Cambodia I have to wonder if he's legit at all.

Cyrcee is on Street 49 between Streets 136 and 130. It has a red front with frosted glass doors and a small sign. There is a security guard out front. It's one block west of Norodom, very close to Psar Thmei (Central Market).

[GooberMonger]

No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that...I'm saying that if you are not an expat that lives in Cambodia and you don't speak K'mai, you can't do it, but there are guys on here that do live in Cambodia Rick. That might want to pl be a player.

It's like me going to your country and trying to be a player, you can't play if you don't know the game or the rules, maybe that's American enough for you to understand what I'm talking about. Sorry I don't speak ghetto or American, I speak English.

Cheers, no I'll will intended.

[GooberMonger]

No dick war, just pointing out some facts. There are lots of virgins in Cambodia. Most unmarried women in Cambodia are virgins in fact. Lots of girls working in bars are virgins too. There are a half dozen in 69 Bar alone (or at least there was when I was there. They move around a lot). If you want to be with one you'll have to marry them (and shell out money to the parents) or, if they're up for it, shell out a lot of money to deflower them. We're talking 1000-5000. Probably on the higher end. Educated women who come from "decent families" and don't work in bars will quite possibly require more than that.

GM says he has an unlimited supply of unmarried virgins, but says none of us are skilled or connected enough to get them. Okay, so what's the point of discussing them? Is this place for sharing info or writing erotica?

Now that's he's denied the existence of the bride price in Cambodia I have to wonder if he's legit at all.

Cyrcee is on Street 49 between Streets 136 and 130. It has a red front with frosted glass doors and a small sign. There is a security guard out front. It's one block west of Norodom, very close to Psar Thmei (Central Market).Rick you are pretty much stop on for your wedding. What I don't like is you using the term "Bride Price" your not buying a car. You make it sound like your buy a girl and she has no say in it, which in some cases may be true.

Your not buying a slave we don't do that or where I live we never have. Your paying for your wedding and all the costs of that wedding, you sit down with your future brides parents, After you have confess your love for each other, can't forget that part, but it's pretty simplistic compared to the west where we can get engaged for a year or longer, before getting married.

In some cases you can have an engagement party and after the girl will have sex with you, but I was just talking for about an hour with a Khmer girl that I've known for sometime and she wants me to marry her sister. I mentioned to her about how simplistic the whole marriage thing is you meet a girl say she's pretty she says your handsome, then you tell her you love her, she says she loves you too. Then let's get married, so back to the terminology your using, I find it offensive because back to you sit down with her parents ask them for permission to marry their daughter. Then you have a conversation about your wedding how many guests say 200 so you are $10 a person for dinner, $2000. Only beer or beer and whiskey both $500. Entertainment $300, clothes, police, sangkat license, make-up, monks blessing and gifts etc, etc, you get the picture. If your inviting 200 people some won't come start off buy paying for only 10 tables, then extra, as people show-up, might be 12 tables. Any way it's the cost of your wedding. Khmer's don't use the term Bride Price and your estimate is pretty good on what it will initially, but you will get a lot of money in gifts you might get all that money or none depending on any costs that you didn't pay for like pictures, wideos, etc.

You can in some cases with mostly with the poor, uneducated just pay for a girls virginity like you said I know girls that have sold their virginity for as little as $300 and a hot girl too. I was her second, which was like being her first, because her first was a little willy.

You make it sound condescending when you say I said that others don't have the skills or connections, the skills are to be able to speak the language, know the culture and the BS I 'll be glad to PM someone who needs help with that my words. If I posted the whole deal it would be common knowledge and the girls may catch wind of it. Believe it or not girls do read this forum.

Anyway Rick you like facts, fact if I know the answer to a question posted I'm usually one of the persons that puts up an answer and Prinz who has an excellent amount of information to help mongers that are new to Phnom Penh or snooky. Even yourself I've seen very accurate posts.

Then you question if I'm legit, I was probably mongering before you were born and I've lived in South East Asia for over 11 years. In Thailand for 3 years and going on 8 years in Phnom Penh, when I first moved here I think the tallest building was 8 floors.

Some of my information is out of date I. E. The length of a bus trip to snooky now, and I'm the first person to admit if I have posted poor, or wrong information. And I'm up for a dick fight it's been a long time since I stuffed my cock in with another monger in some nice girls hole, but if we get into a 69er I'm not going on the bottom.

[ThePrinz]

At Rick Rock,

I wonder who's your source of information!

Virgins working in riverside bars? Very few and they only work for lady drinks, no wonder they all stick in ripoff bars like Bar 69.

I wouldn't be sure they're going to marry by the way unless you're a complete tool and willing to pay crazy money to her and her family.

Working in bars is just a step below becoming full time hookers, what do you think that they will stay virgins forever? Not going to happen and there's plenty of crazy mongers willing to find a bride, I know a couple of girls from two bars in 136 and now they're married and pregnant, one was quite young and looking virginal but no way she actually was virgin and she still doesn't do BBBJ or even BJ at all even with his new husband! She was paying 50$/month to live in a shithole near 118 and now they're buying a new nice condo, that's a huge leap forward for her and these things are not so uncommon if the girls is pretty enough, actually all the bar girls in 136 have this dream of finding their white knight who will fix all their problems and take care of her and her whole family.

I don't know about real virgins, I've heard a guy boasting he married one for 1500$ years ago but who knows it could be BS considering he's nuts.

But is it worth it? I mean all he's got was a 18-19 yrs old farm girl who can't speak one word of English, can't read and write, doing fuck all the whole day and draining his financies while acting like a queen bee, and finally he's been dumped and forgotten.

5000$ to shag a virgin? Sounds way too much. Yeah maybe some crazy Koreans or Japanese will pay that but WTF. I can't see what's so mystical and magic about virgins, at the very least she will scream in pain and bleed from her pussy why do they think it's such a great boomboom?

Educated women from good families : unless you'rich and famous and speak khmer you've no fucking chance with them, on the other side they'll be happy to marry a well off khmer from a good family, that's the norm, and also rich Chinese / koreans / japs are welcome, but average barang mongers should not even dream about them, if they're not virgin maybe you can score a date or something but if she's virgin she's untouchable and you'll be boycotted by her friends and family too.

I mean virginity is a way to set the girl as your private property, you can't have it for free or for cheap, it's impossible, it's not like in the west and neither like in Thailand.

In Thailand many girls lose viriginity with school mates, that's becoming more and more common, here no fucking way, only the poorest dirtiest hookers do it for peanuts and after that they start a career in massages and bars, they're marked for life, no khmer will marry them.

Dowry : well I've heard many stories about it but as far as I know it only applies to genuine virgins, not to bar girls.

No idea how much it could be, I'll never marry anyone here.

But I don't think it's mandatory in all cases, my ex GF for instance got married by her family with a khmer guy she's never seen before, they arranged a wedding but she never told me about any cash exchange or whatever, he was a farmer so maybe among poors they acknoledge their finances are limited, or maybe he paid them in bags of rice, that would do.

However! if we talk about barangs marrying khmer girls and the girl happen to be virgin o still not second hand, hmm I'm sure they will ask you some money just because being barang you're expected to be rich and generous and in any case you'll be asked money forever after the wedding from her family and distant relatives as well, you will set yourself in the family as the rich sucker with a good heart and she will play the middleman role too, playing any sort of games with you and accusing you of not loving her if you don't "help" her family. Be warned!

[GooberMonger]

Something to entertain you from my private gallery of virgins.

[ThePrinz]

A few quesions :

What about the quality of the service or looks of the girl. Some of the stories I've read describe very dodgy or not so appealing situations. Also drugs come into play. Isn't it a matter of, you get what you pay for, or are there "gems" to be found?

BTW, everybody always mentions Snooky chickenfarms, aren't there also chickenfarms in PP?

ThanksThere's a lot misconceptions about "cheap girls" in SE asia in general.

Most of the mongers (maybe 90%?) are just shit scared at the idea of shagging a street hooker or doing a 2$ massage.

To enjoy this game you MUST be a so called "sexplorer" otherwise you'll be shocked by the standards you'll encounter.

This is not for random tourists, only expats can appreciate.

In short, it's a matter of "going local" and therefore paying more or less local prices.

Well, you will never pay the khmer price as a foreigner but you can easily find good deals and pay just 30-50% more.

For instance, the 2$ massage is fixed price for all, and yet they will ask you a tip, and khmers pay 1$ for a HJ or even nothing.

As in some cases it's supposed to be included in the 2$ fare! It all depends on the girls, if they're MILFs they will give crazy deals,

If they're young and pretty they'll always try to get 4-5$ all inclusive but no BBBJ or anything else.

Full service : a few rundown massages allow FS and that will be 5-6$ in the cheapest scenario but will always try to get 10$ as you're a foreigner,

It's like a matter of principle for them.

Street hookers : in a public park like what Phnom and surroundings the khmers stop the moto, sit down with the girl and talk even half an hour before picking them up, in the street.

It's quicker but they still talk and bargain a lot, the girls are usually not too much pushy but if their english is bad and usually it's never on par with the bargirls there's not much to discuss and she will quickly ask you what you want to do, BBBJ, BB, etc and where to go, and of course how much you pay.

Talking about price, I just always offer 5$ and eventually go up to 7-8 or even 10 if she's really nice and friendly nut never ever above 10$ even if some skanks dared to asked 20 and even 30$ maybe it was a way to tell me they don't like me, I know I could start from 3$ but I don't give a shit and I would be scared to get a girl accepting 3$ as she must be either sick or willing to steal my money or make troubles. A normal hooker would never go below 5-6$ with a barang.

So, you set the price and the conditions, and you either drive to your hotel or to a guesthouse where you pay a room for one hour.

I never take them to my house for security reasons, I could do it with a couple ones I've been a few times but I don't feel safe.

In str. 70 (Toul Kork) there are dozens of guesthouses, they will all ask 2$ but the real price is 5000 riels, they give you a small soap, one condom, and towels.

Some are big with 50 rooms on 4-5 floors, others are cardboard rooms underground, that's quite exotic if you've a sense of adventure.

Some of the ones underground are really abysmal and claustrophobic, someone should make a movie about this and I haven't even tried the stilt wooden homes.

Where there's the train track (sort of snooky's chicken farm but more dangerous, avoid!).

A much better option are the guesthouses near the old Boeung Kak before the muslim restaurant and the two massage shops.

The rooms are OK (imagine a 5$/night guesthouse) and they're ok with 5000 riels.

There are also a few guesthouses in 118 and surroundings, but they're hard to spot as they look the same as proper small guesthouses.

Inside you have the usual queen bed, fan, toilet with cold water, and no windows.

So, by all means going local means you must like it rough but actually it's not as rough as they say, the real shit is only in the chicken farms and the wooden stilts, that's Cambodia at its best!

Now, talking about the girls.

There's a wide range of girls on offer, from the ones dressed in pijama who badly need a shower to the few ones dressed exactly like the freelancers in 51, the only big difference is their english is not so fluent as in 51 or in the bars, but neither is zero so whatever girl you will talk she will always be able to discuss price and service with no problem, just don't expect too much discussion about anything else.

Of course it's a totally different experience from hostess bars, in hostess bars you can chat for hours if you want, with street girls you really go straight to the sex and if she's friendly you will french kiss and talk for a while but it's not the norm.

So, there are a few rough diamonds but no more than 5% in my opinion and expect the girl to have a few scars and heavy make up, there's a reason if they don't work in more upscale places.

Smell can also be a factor, some girls smell of the typical wooden stilt stink I can recognize that smell from a mile away now.

Others are fresh from the shower so no problem and in any case they all shower before doing sex with you and you're expected to shower too.

Security : so far NEVER had a single trouble but if that matters I've never had troubles even with 100$ girls nor with any other girl in my life.

Maybe a key factor is I don't make sex while drunk, so keep that in mind, moreover I like to pick them up before 22PM, with 20. 30 being the best window of opportunity.

You will see street girls on the road even at 04AM and a few desperate even later in the mekong riverside but I would stay away as there's usually too much booze or drug involved and you'll be also the last customer of the day!

As for daytime, it's a shit as most of them are the real rock bottom, yaba addicts, skanks, zombies, I've never seen a single girl I would shag in daytime around what Phnom.

And they're not many also, maybe 20-30 altogether, I think some even sleep there!

For 2$ massages daytime is good, the girls are always relaxed and take care of you, while by night they dress better but ask more money and have a bad attitude.

(many double as pick-up girls but ask crazy money, even 30$ ST!).

And finally, talk about the service.

Well, as you can imagine it's very hit or miss but I can say that is not as bad as many mongers claim!

I had some of my best shags with street hookers and chicken farmers and that's exactly why I keep going back!

I also had some of the worst experiences but that's life.

With one girl I even refused to do sex and I drove her back to what phnom, she had really a bad smell and she acted like crazy and while she looked ok when dressed she was like a zombie once I undressed her, really skin and bones.

So, anything can happen. And you can't expect to be always lucky.

As for the lucky shags, it's very important to talk with the girl and see if there's a minimal feeling with her, if she smiles and if she's friendy etc. I wouldn't take someone acting too mechanic or looking bored.

As a service they will all just want to do BB with condom, but just ask and they're usually open to BBBJ and sometimes more, problem is I don't feel very safe doing too much with these girls, especially if we talk about eating pussy I would think twice before! Same for anal, not my cup of tea but many girls for sure are three holers if you add 3-4 dollars.

As far as I see they will all go bareback if you offer 1$ more. I mean they all do it. I guess if they don't do it must be because they're sick or on their period.

Yeah it's scary so think twice before going bareback, you never really know. They shag tuktuk drivers, weirdos, and any sort of low life khmers.

[ThePrinz]

At Rick,

I've been all around asia apart a few countries and in all the poor ones there were always tales of "virgin trade" and arranged weddings for rich foreigners, especially for koreans and japanese it seems to be very popular they've even agencies arranging the whole stuff, sort of mail-order bride business, Vietnam in particular.

Fully agree with Goober that if you don't speak the local language you cannot be a player, but this is not a showstopper if you're serious about finding a bride.

Even in remote areas of Nepal or Burma some locals told me girls were eager to find a foreign husband so it can't be so hard I think if you properly plan and budget your wife-seeking mission.

BUT, and there's a big but, is it worth it?

First of all we're talking of very poor families with lots of kids to feed, for them a rich husband being foregner or local is like winning the lottery, that's exactly why they're so open and enthusiastic at the whole idea!

It's all about money, yeah she will marry you and the family will treat you like a king but after that you'll be supposed to be milked forever and squeezed like a lemon, no matter if you take the girl overseas they will ask cash to be wired via western union or whatever that's how it works I've seen WU offices even in godforsaken villages of india and nepal where they've barely running water and electricity.

Will she love you? Never ever. She will just be your "maid" doing sex on the side, that's the best scenario actually, in the worst scenario she will get homesick and do any sort of crazy drama, cry all day, going into deep depression, and all, maybe also as a trick to force you to take her back to her home where she will find a new local husband.

There's a whole industry around this, girls in poor areas are private property of their families, they can refuse a few guys but they're supposed to accept the family's will in the end, and money is always the most important factor involved in the choice.

So, personally I can't see the point into playing this game, it's a game you cannot win unless you're really lucky and find a good girl that genuinely likes you etc etc.

Of course you can do it in Cambodia and price will vary, Goober gave you a realistic idea of the prices involved in a wedding party, it can't be rock bottom cheap as it's first and foremost and occasion for the family to gain face! The more people they can invite, the more monks they can pay. It's all face and status symbol earned.

If you're so fool to take such a girl back in the West you're in for a big disappointment, these farm girls could hardly fit into a city like Phnom Penh, let alone in europe or america or australia with nobody speaking their language and nobody selling their local food and not a single friend to talk with. Forget it man. It would be a disaster and she'll never be happy no matter if you try your best, it's not you the problem but the whole idea of forcing her to settle down in another foreign country where she's 100% alien to pretty much anything.

A vietnamese bride with some effort can start enjoying her new life in Korea or Japan, but a khmer in Germany or Canada? No way!

They're not like the Chinese who are a bit more open to the outer world, Khmers and Thais are very insular, even some khmers born in the west are full of shit and homesick and can't wait to go back to asia.

If you really want to marry one of them, you must live here, and then it will you the one expected to learn K'mai and eat the cr-ap food she will cook you.

That's what I did with my Khmer GFs, well let's say I eat 50% Khmer and step by step I started to get a taste for it but it took me a long time.

As for the language, my Khmer is as bad as before and same for their English, we both see no point into going too far once we reach a level where we can discuss the most basic things in English.

And don't expect any philosophical discussion with her, these girl live in a very basic world, they just don't think the way we do and they see no point in overthinking unless they're artists or had a decent education, and they've also no curiosity for the outer world, they will tell you they would like to see Thailand or vietnam but once you cross the border they instantly feel like a fish out of water, they don't like the food, they can't speak with anybody, etc etc. And this was in vietnam with my GF who was originally Khmer Krom and spoke some vietnamese!

I know bargirls who lived in north America and Europe for a few years, none of them like the idea of going back apart for the easy money they got from their sponsors.

They just can not fit in, period!

[Rick Rock]

Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.

Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty.

You may find the word bride price offensive. I find it offensive that the practice even exists anywhere in the world 2013. I also find the grinding poverty in Cambodia offensive.

There's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. She does. She might even really love you. But you'll still pay. For Khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. It happens, but it's not as common. Results vary.

You can keep your anti-American chauvinism by the way (besides, I was born in Europe). Store it next to your bizarre attempts at the phonetic spelling of Khmer words.

I doubt you were doing much of anything before I was born, unless you are now in your 70's.

ThePrinz's posts are hardly for "first timers." Unless those first timers want to end up disgusted, sick, and quite possibly robbed. That's real hardcore cheap charlie stuff. If you're so hard up that you can't spend 20 bucks for a go, you should probably stay home. Street wise people can manage it without a problem. As he says it's for expats. What he means in those grizzled old guys who look like they haven't shaved or bathed for weeks that walk around in dirty clothes stinking of beer and failure. There are actually guys who live in other countries that either earn enough now or managed to save enough back home to live a standard of life BETTER than they had in their own countries. Those guys wouldn't go anywhere near the girls he's mentioned. To each his own, all I'm doing is putting out a warning to newbies and letting people wondering where the quality is know that it ain't in the $7 cardboard screw houses.

But hey what do I know? GM is a guy that has an unlimited supply of virgins (from where we aren't honored or intelligent enough to know) and can somehow manage a trip to Kampong Som (Shianoukville) in half the time that it actually takes. He's obviously the resident expert.

I wish he would PM me with some of his wisdom. I might be heading back very soon via Vietnam.

[Dan Key]

All of your thorough reports indicate that since the raids on MPs, there's not much daytime going on. Is the Sothearos Blvd MP still open? Any P4P during the day? Any info appreciated.

[GooberMonger]

Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.

Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty.

You may find the word bride price offensive. I find it offensive that the practice even exists anywhere in the world 2013. I also find the grinding poverty in Cambodia offensive.

There's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. She does. She might even really love you. But you'll still pay. For Khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. It happens, but it's not as common. Results vary...I agree with you on everything, but your discrimination against Khmer people rich or poor and my driving abilities. I have said it before that I use to make it to Sihanoukville in my Benz, but it takes me longer now because I don't drive as fast as I use to and National Road. #4 has a lot more traffic now.

As far as what Phnom FLs or Phasa Sorya FL, I have never gone near them nor would I. If you read my last post to Traveler 1234. I told him St. 51 at 5 pm he wouldn't fined anything decent and to go over to St. 104 after 8 or later.

I just about fell off my chair when Prinz talked about going bareback with a girl on St. 70 by the US Embassy.

Oh, and as I recall about how fast it takes to get to Sihanoukville I apologized to everyone for out dated info.

Also you wouldn't be having a $5000 wedding to a poor farm girl, come on Rick and if you were stupid enough to hand $5000 to them you deserve to lose your money, but at least you got the girl you wanted.

And for where my supply of virgins comes from you have said yourself they're everywhere. I think it was you that said about dressing with a little class goes a long way. This is very true, I've had poor farm girls, waitresses, bank tellers, garment factory workers, and my favourite university students etc.

I don't understand Rick why you have to be so racists and derogatory against Khmer people and disrespectful of their culture when you have never been here long enough to even have a chance to understand it.

Oh well everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't believe me that's fine too, but I've been to more weddings here than anywhere else in my entire life.

Wish you all the best anyway Rick and I would appreciate it if you don't hold it against me that we don't see eye to eye on some things, I have seen you give solid good safe advice to newbies and I have never been to the Philippines and before I go maybe you could help me out if you've been there.

Cheers.

P. S. Girls here do read this blog, I received a call from a lady who asked me not to posts anymore pics of her, sorry honey, I won't. I'm free tomorrow except for some banking I have to do. Let's get together after.

[GooberMonger]

there's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. she does. she might even really love you. but you'll still pay. for khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. it happens, but it's not as common. results vary.in a lot of case the girl has absolutely no say in who she marries and in a lot of cases you can be charged for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) for taking a girls cherry. this is 100% true if you take a girls virginity and her family finds out about it. they will force their daughter to bring you up on charges of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), because of the shame she has brought on the family or she will be disowned by her family for not charging you and who do you think she is going to listen to you or her father.

please take note of this that if you are going to take a girls virginity that you take her to a gh or hotel and have her sign in, they photo copy her id and she pays for the room. oh, and make sure you pick the gh or hotel she might already plan on scamming you and the gh or hotel will be getting a cut or sorry they call it tea here, if someone offers a cup of tea that is code for i'll cut you in on some of the money. don't fool your self it happens.

or you stand a chance of being on the tv show," knocked up abroad." this all comes down to her parents about charging you, but if you have evidence that she willingly checked into a gh or hotel with you, you'll have your butt covered and won't be shelling out thousands of dollars to stay out of prison.

point being a girl may offer up her cherry to you for a few hundred dollars and you'll be thinking what a deal you got. oh. you got a deal alright. this is just one reason i tell none expats and even expats you can't play my game. you don't know all the rules and it can cost you large.

and rick i don't care what you say about me, i'm being dead serious on this one. the same as you telling newbies not to be picking up fl at what phnom or on st. 70 you'll get a deal alright.

cheers.

[ThePrinz]

At Rick Rock,

Hahaha! Sorry but you must be a newbie.

The irony is you suggest to only pick up bargirls as if paying 20 bucks + 10$ barfine could give you an upper class girl?

I would be glad to show you where the girls I know from Lemon bar, Cavalry bar, Candy Bar, Butterfly bar. 104, etc most of them actually live nearby 118 and 110 in a couple absolutely awful building of colonial era falling to pieces! For the record none of them pay more than 50$/month to rent a sort of cardboard room with shared toilet (only cold water and a hole in the ground) and eat their 1$ khmer meal three times a day at Psar Chas or Psar Kandal or even in the basement of their building where for the residents it's as cheap as 0.50$ for a bowl of rice or a soup.

So why do they smell good and look fresh? First of all their apartment is only shared among girls and they try to keep it relatively clean, each apartment has 5-6 girls and an old lady which is typically a former mamasan or ex bargirl too.

At 17PM they all shower and prepare to go work at 18 or 19PM, they brush their teeth, dress up with fresh clothes and start doing make-up.

There's no way you would think they live in such a shithole as they come out of the door looking good and smelling good but indeed they do live in such a shithole and by the way I've seen a lot worse than that in Toul Kork, south of Toul Tom Pong, and of course in the chicken farms where one of the highlights was the girls throwing the used condoms down a crack in the pavement in the pond below the stilt home!

And yet there's stuff more hardcore than that, I mean I've seen such a poverty in some other places that the chicken farms are a luxury hotel in comparison, no idea if there's sex to be had in the very poorest areas but I'm not going to investigate that, believe or not I've some standards too and while I can be ok to take some photos I'm not going to put my dick in a 1$ hooker or whatever.

And then again, what about the infamous "White house" in Sothearos Blvd? That's a place even I am not eager to try out and a friend of mine who did got almost beaten up by one of the pimps outside.

You may wonder, if these girls and especially the girls at Mr. Butterfly who have set up a sort of agreement to never be barfined for less than 50$ ST look so good and make so much easy money why the live in such shitholes?

It's simple, because that's the standard where their family lives and where they're born, it's nothing unusual for them, it's the most normal thing, what's shocking for them is getting 100$ LT and being taken to sleep at Himawari or Cambodiana. That's indeed a world apart for them even if after some time they get used to it.

Besides, where do you think they were working before being hired in 136? I'll tell you where. In some rundown 2$ massage and a few were street hookers that went upscale after their spoken english became good enough to work in a bar.

By the way, you may think the bars in 104 or 136 only hire the best girls.

No, there's no drilling from mamasans, the girls are not even requested to show their naked body in order to see if she's a drug addict or if she has huge scars or whatever, the bar doesn't give a shit about that as they only make money with lady drinks and barfines! If she's a "lemon" it's up to you and it's your problem. Only if she makes troubles and you go back to complain they will eventually fire her on the spot but since there's a high demand for bargirls she will quickly move to the bar next door and blame the mamasan for it.

There's no code of honour among bargirls, they all support each other in theory but they're all ready to stab each other in the back when needed.

They all look like friends but they're not. They've their 3-4 trusted friends often living together in the same apartment and that's all, they don't often like the other girls because they're in direct competition with them and ironically because they're too "bitchy"!

You may also ask yourself why if some street working girls are OK they don't work in a proper bar?

Simple, because they are unemployable due to their bad temper or drug use or alcohol abuse or even just because they can't manage to show up on time and be smiling and friendly with customers.

Any girl can work in a bar, but many don't have the basic skills needed.

A lot of them are in a bad mood sometimes, others are lunatic, others tell customers to fuck off. That's no good and they will fired and once they get fired 5-6 times in a row they give up and go back as freelancers or in the street, simple as that and to each his own, maybe they're just not cut for that life and they could even make more money alone, see the freelancers at Nagaworld or Pontoon asking crazy prices and often finding the suckers who pay for it.

In conclusion, here what you see is never what you get!

The scenario you're painting is an illusion, it's virtual reality for the sake of mongers and newbies but any decent expat knows very well the score and what's really going on and will tell you otherwise.

All the girls in bars are realistically worth no more than 5-10$ ST.

The only exception are the few cases of farm fresh girls who start straight in the best bars and are relatively not yet hardened by the whoring business.

There are some and I know a couple cases, but they often don't last long as they get married with a customer or become full time girlfriends with somebody and leave the bar biz behind or go live in another country for weeks or months or years.

It's unavoidable, it's just up to the customer to pay for all her needs and suddenly working in bar doesn't make any sense for her.

None of the girls like to work in a bar, I mean none of them like to work at all actually, it's just a way to earn quick bucks and do fuck all sitting down a table and chat with strangers and make easy money with drinks and tips, they don't even need to fuck actually, that's why so many girls only do lady drinks.

There's an endless supply of foreign "white knights" falling in love for a bargirl and wanting to "rescue" her or marrying her.

Always been like that and always will be like that, bars are just one step in the career of these girls, none of them plans to be a bargirl forever.

[ThePrinz]

Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.

Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty...I'm no expert about bride prices or "sin sot" as in Thailand.

But I'm sure the girls will "size you up" before asking a specific price.

As a foreigner there's no reason for her family to ask you less than 1000 or 2000 bucks and honestly for a wedding it would be cheap even among khmers.

By the way, from what I've heard it would be also a loss of face for them if you don't pay too much, it's like saying that her girl is worth nothing.

But the point is. This "dowry" only applies to virgins, never ever to bargirls! But I heard many stories about bargirls asking crazy sums of money profiting from clueless foreigners.

As a practice it will never go away, it seems to be the standard pretty much all over asia.

If they don't ask for money right away they will discuss about you buying a new house or something, in one way or another you'll have to put the money where your mouth is.

Grinding poverty : and probably you have just scratched the surface, try going in the very poorest slums and tell me. I've seen people living like rats, literally! Even the dogs were cleaner than their owners.

Yeah it can be shocking but after some time you get used to it, after all it's not so much better in countryside Laos or Burma or western China from what I've seen so far.

The lesson to learn is we're not aware of how much rich we're in comparison to most of the non-western world, even 10$ go a long way in this part of the world.

[Rick Rock]

It's not a dowry. A dowry is money and property a WOMAN brings to the man through marriage (which leads to a lot of "fun stuff" like dowry deaths: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dowry_deaths ). We're talking about a bride price here. Common mistake, but a mistake nonetheless. Interchanging dowry and bridge price is yet another bastardization of English that became regular use. Sorry to see it repeated here.

Another mistake is that bar girls and virgins are necessarily two different things. There are dozens of virgins working in Phnom Penh bars. You can find them on 136, 130, 118, 110, etc. They might not come right out and tell you they are "khramom mom", but if they are under 24 and "only work for drinks" there's a good chance they are. You can find out more through the managers or by coming right out and asking the girls.

No bride price for girls who aren't virgins, which includes many bar girls. Right on about that.

Not every girl lives in a shit room. I've been to quite a few. All you have to do is ask usually. Some share rooms that are terrible with as many as 5 others. Some have rooms that are pretty decent. Girls that make 700-1000 a month (like some of the top earners from 104 or Cyrcee) can easily shell out 200 for a room that has AC, TV, heated shower, and everything else they need. Some girls have husbands and boyfriends overseas that send them money then they just work bars for extra money via lady drinks. What any of that has to do with 20 dollar short time I don't know.

Not every girl came through the massage circuit. Most didn't. Two dollar massage girls usually service Khmer guys and don't speak a lick of English. Bar girls are usually brought into bars through aunties, cousins, sisters and friends. Few pop in out of nowhere and start working.

There are no requirements at bars. They'll hire anyone. The worst girls usually can't cut it and they're thinned out automatically. Hard to come to work every day on time and clean on your scheduled day when you're totally cracked out. And a day away from work means a cut in pay of $5. $10. That's quite a lot when your salary is 60-80 a month. Girls who don't make enough tips or get lady drinks don't last long either.

High class girls don't work in bars. They are white skinned with crimped hair and they have cars and go to university. Their parents drives Lexus SUV's that would take me more than a year to pay for if I dedicated 100% of my income to it.

You may be an expert at cheap street scores but you don't seem to know much about the bars. Bad experience turn you off to them early on or what? I was in them nightly every day I was in Phnom Penh and I learned quite a lot.

Seems like a lot of the expats are too hardened to even be human anymore. They view each and every person as a potential adversary. I'm glad I don't have to go through life like that. I realize bar girls are human beings too. Perhaps that's why I had a much better experience with them. Not a single problem, not once. Never felt ripped off either.

Girls that live in the worst of the worst places are there because they have no other choice. I thankfully do have other choices. Same reason I don't live in a $50 room is the same reason I'm not interested in paying an extra dollar to bareback a 5 dollar street worker in a room full of used condoms filled with motodop jizz.

I'd rather take a vetted girl from a bar for $20 than take my chances with some of the places you've mentioned, but everyone is different. I had the most fun with freebies and some of the women I took out of Darling Darling. Fifty bucks is high in a country where people live on that in a month. I complained quite a bit about it myself. It doesn't make a lot of sense. But it is what it is.

The choice is overpriced quality or super lost cost stuff that's really horrible. As they say, up to you.

[Givency]

Gents, headed back to PP for action. Stayed at Flamengos last visit. Stepping it up this time. Is the Plantation Resort girl friendly? If not can anyone recommend a hotel that is and has a pool where me and my wingman cam hangout all day with babes we pick up.

Thanks

[GooberMonger]

Gents, headed back to PP for action. Stayed at Flamengos last visit. Stepping it up this time. Is the Plantation Resort girl friendly? If not can anyone recommend a hotel that is and has a pool where me and my wingman cam hangout all day with babes we pick up.

ThanksPC-Hotel on St. 51 beside Walkabout only $25 a night Wifi, LCD TV, Satellite, in room safe, pool, etc. I know a lot nicer places, but that one isn't too bad and good location. I'm no expert on Hotels around the city. Oh, and it's lady friendly I don't know too many or any hotels in PP that aren't.

Guys help out here.

[GooberMonger]

Call it what you want, it's a bride price. Unless you think a girl's illiterate retired rice farmer parents from Kampong Cham who don't even have a toilet in their $1500 house are going to plan out an elaborate $5000 wedding. Most of that money is going in their pocket. If the family is well off (a rarity) they will give you some of the money back after the wedding.

Many girls you will meet already have a set price in mind. You can meet friends with one saying her family needs 5000 to marry and the other saying hers needs 3000. That has nothing to do with wedding party costs and everything to do with family finances, age, and perceived beauty.

You may find the word bride price offensive. I find it offensive that the practice even exists anywhere in the world 2013. I also find the grinding poverty in Cambodia offensive.

There's nothing about a bride price that means the woman has no say in it. She does. She might even really love you. But you'll still pay. For Khmer men who don't have money their own recourse is to try to convince her to run off an elope. It happens, but it's not as common. Results vary...At Rick

I owe you an apology, I was married and the gift box paid for 1/2 the wedding and I paid the other half. Like I said I have been to probably 20 plus weddings in Cambodia and always gave generously to the gift box because I was under the impression for all these year until today that that money went to the bride and groom. I have never been told otherwise. Until today when talking with one of my GFs university girl and she's smart too. Believe it or not. She told me no, no honey all the money in the gift box goes to the brides parents.

What? All this time I have not known that, if I knew that I wouldn't have given a red cent, but would have gone to the groom and put $20-$100 in his pocket.

So you are indeed paying a "Bride Price" I stand corrected and anyone who goes to a Khmer wedding take note the groom already paid for your food and drinks. I will never again put money in one of those boxes.

Now my GF did say that the brides family sometimes uses that money to buy land for the new couple, but if your a Barang not a chance.

I hate be wrong, but I will admit it. Members should know the true, I'll wipe the egg off my face now.

[Channy]

Not every girl came through the massage circuit. Most didn't. Two dollar massage girls usually service Khmer guys and don't speak a lick of English. Bar girls are usually brought into bars through aunties, cousins, sisters and friends. Few pop in out of nowhere and start working.It use to be like this. Couple of years ago, a girls started in a parlor like Navy, then go to work in bar and sometimes in Sisovath brothel when she was in need of fast cash or if she got a small debt. The end of the road was Toul kok brothels. But some girls was also bring directly by relatives, cousins, friends. The bar l asiate running bu Maurice an ex legionary. But the goal of their girls was to find a boyfriend or husband. The girls carreer was really short in this bar, that used to be # different# than the other.


I was in them nightly every day I was in Phnom Penh and I learned quite a lot.You just learn the barang bar system and nothing more. And bar is frequented by barang essentialy. So your view about girl scene in PP is very limited. In a way you live in your barang world in PP (no offense)


You may be an expert at cheap street scores but you don't seem to know much about the bars. Bad experience turn you off to them early on or what? I was in them nightly every day I was in Phnom Penh and I learned quite a lot.What kind of bar are you talking about? Because I can tell you the bar scene now in PP has nothing to do with bar scene 5 years ago. But for barang, girls have to found in bar. Nobody mind why the price was going from 5usd ST to 20 USD ST in less than 5 years, without mention the dramatic fall about the girls beauty, their heavy addiction to yaabaa and ma, their lousy attitude. Of course the street scene is worst than before, but prices remains the same. At least the Pattaya expat don't bring inflation to the street scene.


Seems like a lot of the expats are too hardened to even be human anymore. They view each and every person as a potential adversary.In a way you re right, simply because the first Pattaya came to Cambodia importing their Pattaya rules, prices etc. I can tell you they totally change the girl scene at least in PP. But most expats forgot that the opening of Malaysia labour market to viet girls have send a lot of them to Malaysia. Where they can get in day 100usd easily. So the old time of viet cuties available for 5usd in SP and 63 st brothels has gone forever, sometimes long term expat doesn t want to accept the new reality.


Girls that live in the worst of the worst places are there because they have no other choice. I thankfully do have other choices. Same reason I don't live in a $50 room is the same reason I'm not interested in paying an extra dollar to bareback a 5 dollar street worker in a room full of used condoms filled with motodop jizz.Oups it seem you haven t been to Cambodian brothels, first bareback is not very common, since many girls lives in the brothel the room girl is clean. No condom on the floor (but I often see it in short time room hotel).

[Rick Rock]

I'd like to know where to find some beautiful Viets. Starting to develop a real thing for them. Looks like I'll be back in two months or so. Only thing I found previously were washed up girls in places like Martini and a few average at best in 2 bars on 110. Nothing comparable to the quality you find in HCMC.

Rumor has it Paris is no more.

Anyone have any info?

[Sammon]

I'd like to know where to find some beautiful Viets. Starting to develop a real thing for them. Looks like I'll be back in two months or so. Only thing I found previously were washed up girls in places like Martini and a few average at best in 2 bars on 110. Nothing comparable to the quality you find in HCMC.

Rumor has it Paris is no more.

Anyone have any info?Plenty of Viet girls in Macau massage places as well as in Singapore. Macau places girls are friendlier than Singapore. Singapore working girls seem to be stuck up and not GFE.

[Rick Rock]

Even more in Vietnam. What's your point?

This is the Phnom Penh thread.

[ThePrinz]

At Rick Rock,

Yeah there are probably dozens of virgins in bars (and yet I have not seen that many honestly) , but I wonder what's the big deal with virgins, I fail to see any plus in a girl with zero sexual experience or who's only good at HJ / BJ, apart rare cases it's hard to find a real porkie who's below 25 yrs old in my experience across Asia but to each his own!

Girls in 200$/month apartments? Hard to believe even in Phnom Penh, maybe the ones married with kids but 200$ is already very upscale for the average Khmers.

100-150$ eventually could fit the bill but then we're not talking about 20$ girls.

The ones I know working in 104 (AirForce, Rose Bar, Colonial) live nearby in a shithole, others live as far as Toul Tom Pong and take a tuktuk together every day to go and back, if you ask them they will show you photos of their home in the village, typically a bamboo stilt on a pond or ugly barracks in slums, that's where they all come from and where they all will go back actually, you're a bit too overoptimistic about the buying power and the status of these girls no matter if indeed they look good inside the bar, they will never be worth a dime in the khmer society as only tourists have such a high opinion of them.

What I'm trying to say is that the way they price themselves is absolutely out of their league, if they were so good they would ask 100$ to local rich khmer and korean customers in the top KTVs rather than dealing with tourists.

For instance to give you a better picture, the top Khmer / Viet hookers in PP are rumoured to make 2000$/night with the elite khmers, we're talking about famous singers and acresses fucking with politicians and millionaires who can splash 30000$ for a party and invite a crowd of celebrities and foreign guests.

So, that's the cream of the crop, a few actresses are said to have become famous because they went in bed with president Hun Sen, no idea if true or bullshit but in comparison the girls at the top KTVs or 104 are farm girls begging for money.

Massage circuit : that's a choice of life, the 2$ massages don't require any special skills, they're given accomodation and meals and haircut too, they all live together and bond together with the included camaradie, they're not required to offer full service and not even HJ if that matters, some do and some don't, so it's a pretty easy job and they're not even required to look good there's so many fuglies in 2$ massages including fatties and MILFs.

Bars are for girls who have the basic skills to play the bar game and are a bit more risk-takers, so to say.

Some will last a week, others a few months, and others will stick there forever, there's a very high turnover but in general if they want to work in a bar is to make more quick bucks rather than peanuts like in 2$ massages with smelly khmer customers or cheap charlie barangs.

Requirements at bars : yes the bar has been lowered quite a bit but they also get fired as fast as they've been hired if they can't show up in time or if they make trouble or if they steal money and tips or whatever, and this on top of bars who regurarly scam customers as much as they can so there's a fine line between being a "honest" bargirl and the endless ripoffs run by their mamasans or bar owners.

Yes, salary is 70-80 / month and 1 to 1. 50 for each ladydrink and in plus there will be a few tips here and there.

That's not to say they can't live with it but the main complaint I see is they get totally bored as for most of the time there are no customers to serve and all they can do is watch tv, play games on their phones, chit chat and gossip with the other girls. Indeed it's not a job for everybody and I don't blame them for seeking other bars or a different job after some.

And yeah, sick days are not paid and they'll be "fined" 5-10 bucks.

High class girls : of course, they've no reasons to work in the P4P industry at all, even if we talk about the upscale P4P with celebrities and politicians.

Their family will just push them into marrying another rich kid, no escape from that, on the other side it seems they've a bit more sexual freedom but then again where's the big difference in bed with any random hooker? I don't see the point unless you're keen on marrying such a high maintenance snotty ***** and dealing with her family too. If I've to go this way I'll go back to China, I've no plans to stay here long time.

Being expert of bars : no, that's not my cup of tea as you noticed, I consider them as a scam from top to bottom, here and elsewhere in Asia.

Freelance bars are a different story however, I see nothing wrong in place like Walkabout or Sharky's, that's my idea of what P4P should be all about. A balance between price and service and in a friendly atmosphere without pushy mamasans or bar owners acting as middlemen and making cash from MY shags!

It's not about bad experience, it's mostly about getting value for money, and in plus bars are mostly targeting tourists and not expats as in the past.

As an expat I avoid tourists like the plague but it's getting impossible nowadays, they're everywhere and girls have no way to tell the difference unless you speak K'mai.

I don't see the point in paying 3$ just to get a girl talking to me the same bullshits over and over (where you from? Bla bla bla) with her mamasan in the back pushing her to drink more. Why the fuck should I pay somebody to talk with me? And we're not talking about rocket science by the way but random crap I could talk with any other girl in the street or in a shop for free.

I say again, I can see most of the girls working in 136 eating or shopping around Psar Chas and Kandal. I can stop my moto and chat with them two minutes and ask them to come in my house for a quickie. Where's the differnce, and they will be ok with 10$ probably or even less as many of them are seeking a boyfriend or to upgrade into a better home for free.

Hardened expats : no, you will see the same pattern anywhere in the world believe me, we're just sick of newbies and tourists ruining the place where we live, simple as that, and I don't even talk too much about these things apart here as tourists are in a holiday mood and don't want to hear!

Bar girls are indeed human beings and some are very good! But they will never respect you if you don't know the score.

We're customers, we're a pray, a lemon to be squeezed, and they're professional liars at making you believe otherwise.

I mean I'm dating bargirls since a long time, I hear their bullshits every day, and they're the first ones to tell me to stay away from bars, I'm not allowed to go in their bars and get drunk or drink with her colleagues, they don't want to mix the two things, and I don't want to see what they really do while at work, we've a don't'ask don't tell policy so to say.

If you want to be respected don't barfine them, just ask them for a date the next day in daytime so they will think you're serious and you don't pay crazy prices and you're not a random tourist but then again if they date a tourist is just for quick bucks or eventually for marriage or sponsorships.

With me as an expat it's also for having a nice house nearby their bar but that's about it, I never splash money on dinners or shopping, actually I try and try to go eat in some decent place but I'm always taken to 1$/meal shitholes so that now I'm eating 50% khmer almost and it took me a long time to get used to that shit.

So, it's not about hardening, it's just "going local", no more no less.

Going really local would probably shock many tourists, but that's the way it is if you like genuine things rather than neon lights and smoke and mirrors.

Girls with no choice : well, it depends! They could work in a haircut saloon and earn a honest 70$/month like any other normal girl, marry a khmer guy and live in a decent place, make babies, and all.

But for reasons we've already discussed it didn't turned that way and now there's no fucking way they've any plans to work hard for a pittance and therefore their only option is to working girl around in bars or in the street in the hope of finding a white knight that will "take care" of them.

They're all deluded with this dream and most of them will not make it, but as long as they can make money out of their bodies they will never go back selling rice in the market or to clean toilets.

I know now I sound a bit hardened but these girls are the dregs of society, let's be realistic. No respectable Khmer would take them seriously, even my landlord is disgusted by the girls I take home.

They all had and gave many choices but thet refuse them all and they will go back to a normal life only when they're out of market unless they become mamasans or switch to massage parlours.

For them we're just providers, we'll always come after their family and their kids, they're as quick as telling you they love you as when telling you to fuck off the next day. Don't believe them too much. Nobody is starving in Cambodia, if they get broke they ask money around or go back to the village, all this talk about poverty is rubbish in most of the cases, their poverty is spiritual and cultural and there's no cure for that as they're not even aware of being sick and they refuse any treatment or discussions on that subject.

Overpricing : it all depends if you're a tourist or an expat. When you live here you quickly adjust to the local prices, and the longer you live here the more you will notice you were paying twice or even thrice the normal rates, and you will get tired of the endless scams and ripoffs going on and being always asked a "tourist price" pretty much anywhere. When you realize how cheap are the real prices you see no reason to pay the tourist fare and suddenly 50 bucks for a shag sounds like a huge amount of money because that's exactly what it is! Only the rich khmers would pay so much and only for top stunners in KTVs, never ever in bars in the riverside, they would not even look at those illiterate farm girls speaking a rough dialect from the countryside!

[ThePrinz]

I don't understand Rick why you have to be so racists and derogatory against Khmer people and disrespectful of their culture when you have never been here long enough to even have a chance to understand it.Indeed.

As much as the Khmer are no saints they're miles away from the greedyness and bad attitudes of Thais and Viets.

[AskeAske]

At Rick

I hate be wrong, but I will admit it. Members should know the true, I'll wipe the egg off my face now.Respect for a man, who can admit he is wrong.

[Shadow6491]

At Rick,

It's all about money, yeah she will marry you and the family will treat you like a king but after that you'll be supposed to be milked forever and squeezed like a lemon, no matter if you take the girl overseas they will ask cash to be wired via western union or whatever that's how it works I've seen WU offices even in godforsaken villages of india and nepal where they've barely running water and electricity.

Will she love you? Never ever. She will just be your "maid" doing sex on the side, that's the best scenario actually, in the worst scenario she will get homesick and do any sort of crazy drama, cry all day, going into deep depression, and all, maybe also as a trick to force you to take her back to her home where she will find a new local husband.

There's a whole industry around this, girls in poor areas are private property of their families, they can refuse a few guys but they're supposed to accept the family's will in the end, and money is always the most important factor involved in the choice.

So, personally I can't see the point into playing this game, it's a game you cannot win unless you're really lucky and find a good girl that genuinely likes you etc etc.

Of course you can do it in Cambodia and price will vary, Goober gave you a realistic idea of the prices involved in a wedding party, it can't be rock bottom cheap as it's first and foremost and occasion for the family to gain face! The more people they can invite, the more monks they can pay. It's all face and status symbol earned.

If you're so fool to take such a girl back in the West you're in for a big disappointment, these farm girls could hardly fit into a city like Phnom Penh, let alone in europe or america or australia with nobody speaking their language and nobody selling their local food and not a single friend to talk with. Forget it man. It would be a disaster and she'll never be happy no matter if you try your best, it's not you the problem but the whole idea of forcing her to settle down in another foreign country where she's 100% alien to pretty much anything.

A vietnamese bride with some effort can start enjoying her new life in Korea or Japan, but a khmer in Germany or Canada? No way!

They're not like the Chinese who are a bit more open to the outer world, Khmers and Thais are very insular, even some khmers born in the west are full of shit and homesick and can't wait to go back to asia.

If you really want to marry one of them, you must live here, and then it will you the one expected to learn K'mai and eat the cr-ap food she will cook you.

That's what I did with my Khmer GFs, well let's say I eat 50% Khmer and step by step I started to get a taste for it but it took me a long time.

As for the language, my Khmer is as bad as before and same for their English, we both see no point into going too far once we reach a level where we can discuss the most basic things in English.

And don't expect any philosophical discussion with her, these girl live in a very basic world, they just don't think the way we do and they see no point in overthinking unless they're artists or had a decent education, and they've also no curiosity for the outer world, they will tell you they would like to see Thailand or vietnam but once you cross the border they instantly feel like a fish out of water, they don't like the food, they can't speak with anybody, etc etc. And this was in vietnam with my GF who was originally Khmer Krom and spoke some vietnamese!

I know bargirls who lived in north America and Europe for a few years, none of them like the idea of going back apart for the easy money they got from their sponsors.

They just can not fit in, period!Sorry I have to disagree with this strongly. I personaly know of many girls that live abroad have families and are very happy. Every point you have made here could happen but is not a given that it will. There are plenty of long time marriages and families around the world that started from a bar girl.

[Channy]

Going really local would probably shock many tourists, but that's the way it is if you like genuine things rather than neon lights and smoke and mirrors.The funniest is when you read ISG archives. Until almost 2005 all the barang want to try the local brothels in Svay pak, Toul kok, street 63. Trying the local scene was the must to do for barang visiting phnom penh, the bar girls scene was mostly limited to Sharky, Walkabout, Martini, l asiate and like you said the Prinz it was freelancer bar nothing more.

Now? Excepted the expats no barang tourist go to the local brothel scene. Some reports of robberies, scams and raid have scared them. So we can said also the profile of the barang tourist has totally change.


They all had and gave many choices but thet refuse them all and they will go back to a normal life only when they're out of market unless they become mamasans or switch to massage parlours.Totally agree ThePrinz, the sister of my favourite Viet that used to work on sisovath, find a nice viet guy (a regular customer). Just the guy wait she finish to refund her debt to the mamasan and then he offered to get married. Now she is retired from the brothel scene, she gots 2 sons and all comeback to live in vietnam. For her sister (my favourite viet) the next step was Toul kok. Note both started their career in Navy massage in street 63.


Overpricing : it all depends if you're a tourist or an expat. When you live here you quickly adjust to the local prices, and the longer you live here the more you will notice you were paying twice or even thrice the normal rates, and you will get tired of the endless scams and ripoffs going on and being always asked a "tourist price" pretty much anywhere. When you realize how cheap are the real prices you see no reason to pay the tourist fare and suddenly 50 bucks for a shag sounds like a huge amount of money because that's exactly what it is! Only the rich khmers would pay so much and only for top stunners in KTVs, never ever in bars in the riverside, they would not even look at those illiterate farm girls speaking a rough dialect from the countryside!Absolutely Correct, only barang are able to bring bar girls to fine restaurant and walking hand in hand in the street. The brothels used to be one of the few places where Khmers and barang used to meet each other before. Not anymore now. Different ethnicity = different places for mongering.

[Rick Rock]

It use to be like this. Couple of years ago, a girls started in a parlor like Navy, then go to work in bar and sometimes in Sisovath brothel when she was in need of fast cash or if she got a small debt. The end of the road was Toul kok brothels. But some girls was also bring directly by relatives, cousins, friends. The bar l asiate running bu Maurice an ex legionary. But the goal of their girls was to find a boyfriend or husband. The girls carreer was really short in this bar, that used to be # different# than the other.That's still the goal of many girls.


You just learn the barang bar system and nothing more. And bar is frequented by barang essentialy. So your view about girl scene in PP is very limited. In a way you live in your barang world in PP (no offense)Actually I went to many other places including fish bowls, brothels (walked in and walked right back out) , freelance spots, massage spots, and off the radar KTV and beergardens with women I was brought to by Khmer workmates. How would you know what I did?


What kind of bar are you talking about? Because I can tell you the bar scene now in PP has nothing to do with bar scene 5 years ago.Who cares about 2008? I was there in 2012-2013. This is 2013. No sense living in the past.


Oups it seem you haven t been to Cambodian brothels, first bareback is not very common, since many girls lives in the brothel the room girl is clean. No condom on the floor (but I often see it in short time room hotel).Saw them and kept on moving. Really terrible stuff, even when compared to $5-10 action elsewhere in the world.

The stuff about barebacking and condoms on the floor comes from ThePrinz, who I was responding to. Try to keep up.

[Rick Rock]

Sorry I have to disagree with this strongly. I personaly know of many girls that live abroad have families and are very happy. Every point you have made here could happen but is not a given that it will. There are plenty of long time marriages and families around the world that started from a bar girl.Yes, but why deal with the intricacies of real life when we can simply make sweeping blanket statements to describe a whole people? It also makes it easier to paint "them" as an adversary that one needs to keep an eye on at all time.

[Rick Rock]

yeah there are probably dozens of virgins in bars (and yet i have not seen that many honestly) ,you'd have to venture inside and talk to people for that to happen.


but i wonder what's the big deal with virginsno big deal for me. i was responding to comments by other members on the subject.


girls in 200$/month apartments? hard to believe even in phnom penh, maybe the ones married with kids but 200$ is already very upscale for the average khmers.no it's not. i knew of 3 when i left. visited their places a few times and ate there with them. two shared one place on street 19 for $200 a month, the other stayed in a $200 apartment with a coworker. these weren't $5 brothel girls.

sure 200 is more than the average khmer makes let alone pays. doesn't mean it don't happen. there are women pulling down close to a thousand a month working bars, if they get a guy or two to send them another 100. 200 a month they're in.


the ones i know working in 104 (airforce, rose bar, colonial) live nearby in a shithole, others live as far as toul tom pong and take a tuktuk together every day to go and back, if you ask them they will show you photos of their home in the village, typically a bamboo stilt on a pond or ugly barracks in slums, that's where they all come from and where they all will go back actually, you're a bit too overoptimistic about the buying power and the status of these girls no matter if indeed they look good inside the bar, they will never be worth a dime in the khmer society as only tourists have such a high opinion of them.this is why blanket statements are ridiculous. i met some bargirls born in phnom penh. i met some who came from relatively well off families but ran off to meet foreigners because they wanted to escape their family's rules and make it on their own. i met some who have khmer boyfriends and husbands.


what i'm trying to say is that the way they price themselves is absolutely out of their league, if they were so good they would ask 100$ to local rich khmer and korean customers in the top ktvs rather than dealing with tourists.some girls tried ktvs and didn't like it. some girls don't like khmer men. and in some bars tourists are outnumbered by expats and long term visitors.


being expert of bars : no, that's not my cup of tea as you noticed, i consider them as a scam from top to bottom, here and elsewhere in asia.so you don't know much about them, but you know enough to make blanket condemnations? what happened, did a bar girl steal your wallet or something? you remind me of the guys who get beat up by an immigrant and then hate all immigrants for the rest of their lives.


freelance bars are a different story however, i see nothing wrong in place like walkabout or sharky's,may i ask if you are blind or just in need of a new prescription for your glasses? i think the reason these places don't draw too many tourists is that you'd almost have to have been in country for years to be able to make it with most of the girls in those places. that's really only for the most hardened of guys in my opinion. i can only see it being acceptable if i was totally broke and hadn't had sex without paying for it for years.

i can get sex without paying. i think most guys can and at least occasionally do. if they travel they want to step up, not down.

of course everyone has a different opinion on that.

rich guys go to the high class places because they can. poor guys go to the dumps because they have to. sad facts of life.


as an expat i avoid tourists like the plague but it's getting impossible nowadays, they're everywhere and girls have no way to tell the difference unless you speak k'mai.second user to spell khmer that way, which is seen nowhere else on earth. you both post one after another. coincidence?


nobody is starving in cambodianow this username has been completely discredited. that's two on the same page. any more?


all this talk about poverty is rubbish in most of the cases, their poverty is spiritual and cultural and there's no cure for that as they're not even aware of being sick and they refuse any treatment or discussions on that subject.but i'm "racist" against "khmer culture" for saying there is a bride price (which there is, now confirmed).


overpricing : it all depends if you're a tourist or an expat. when you live here you quickly adjust to the local prices, and the longer you live here the more you will notice you were paying twice or even thrice the normal rates, and you will get tired of the endless scams and ripoffs going on and being always asked a "tourist price" pretty much anywhere. when you realize how cheap are the real prices you see no reason to pay the tourist fare and suddenly 50 bucks for a shag sounds like a huge amount of money because that's exactly what it is! only the rich khmers would pay so much and only for top stunners in ktvs, never ever in bars in the riverside, they would not even look at those illiterate farm girls speaking a rough dialect from the countryside!but i'm not a poor khmer man. and neither is anyone else on this board. that's the difference.

plus some more nonsense. there are khmer, thai, chinese, korean and japanese customers in the bars all the time. most of the bar girls can read and write, some of them in multiple languages. and the most common provinces they come from are kandal and kampong cham. very close to phnom penh and no real difference in speech whatsoever.

[ThePrinz]

At least the Pattaya expat don't bring inflation to the street scene.

In a way you re right, simply because the first Pattaya came to Cambodia importing their Pattaya rules, prices etc. I can tell you they totally change the girl scene at least in PP. But most expats forgot that the opening of Malaysia labour market to viet girls have send a lot of them to Malaysia. Where they can get in day 100usd easily. So the old time of viet cuties available for 5usd in SP and 63 st brothels has gone forever, sometimes long term expat doesn t want to accept the new reality.There's no reason for the street scene to change much, but of course the girls could get a bit more greedy with expats and barangs, it's already happening from time to time to be asked up to 30 bucks from a random street hooker when the next girl in line is ok with 5$. Maybe they're newbie or maybe they don't like me or maybe they heard too many stories about barangs paying crazy prices and tips?

One had the guts to tell me she doesn't do BBBJ because "only ladyboys do it"! Hahaha! Ohhh really?

Another asked 30$ in advance and clearly stated no BBBJ, no BB without condom, no kissing, no this, no that.

So yeah there are already signs the street scene is getting some bad apples thrown in the mix but it's still pretty easy to find decent material and a fair price / quality / service ratio.

Anyway, the Pattaya losers will not ruin the scene as they usually stick to bars only, I've never met farangs shagging 300 baht girls, they're scared by all the horror stories about it while for what I've seen they're absolutely normal street girls, can't see what's all the fuss about! But these guys are so dumb they walk alone at 04AM with credit cards and all in their pockets and then they wonder why they get robbed or drugged.

Viets in Malaysia : exactly what I've seen and I remember a bar neat the Petronas Towers with a sort of "menu" and it was full of gorgeous viets asking 200$ ST!

However, if you don't mind the location you can still boom boom viet girls for 5-10$ in many places in Sihanoukville, just don't expect to get a stunner but there are a few rough diamonds if you invest some time to know the score.

Problem is, nowadays the average Vietnamese has not many good reasons to live in Cambodia, even here in PP most of them are running small businesses but if shit happens they could pack and go back to the Mekong Delta tomorrow without thinking twice. Vietnam is booming now while here it's stagnating and vietnamese are not really welcome in general, even politicians like Sam Rainsy is very vocal against them and openly talks about "deportation" and "Vietnamese invasion" etc but who knows, the Khmers have always somebody to hate and use as a scapegoat for all their troubles, now it's the Viet, yesterday the Thais and tomorrow who knows.

In any case I agree the times of cheap shags with Viet girls in PP are truely over and most of the viet I see around are half viet or half something by the way, not many look 100% viet with white skin and slander eyes, not many speak Vietnamese too, and there's so many who claim to be Viet but they're actually Khmer Krom.

[ThePrinz]

At Rick Rock,

Maybe your problem is just that your skin is not thick enough for places like Cambodia.

I wonder why you come here if all you see are the negative sides.

I perfectly agree this place is fucked up and hopeless in many ways but I still feel safer and more welcome here than in Thailand or vietnam honestly.

Blanket condemnations : well, I don't go often in bars but I had several GF who are bargirls including the one I have now.

I've nothing against bargirls in particular, but I think I know what's going on in their world and in their business and therefore what to expect from them, what to do and what not to do, it's not rocket science, really, all it takes is an eye for the details.

Freelance bars : it depends which time of the day you go there, for instance the Walkabout is good in daytime but full of fuglie by night, Sharky's is only OK at 20-21PM, Martini also is OK at 21PM but hit and miss afterwards, same goes for Heart of Darkness or Pontoon, some nights there are many good girls and other nights only fuglies.

I repeat, there's no point seeking top stunners in Phnom Penh or even in the whole of Cambodia.

The Khmers are not on par with Viets or Thais and the few good ones quickly get married with rich khmers or go whoring in other countries where they get 10x as much as working here.

What we have in PP are basically the leftovers, the whole scene is unrecognizeable from few years ago.

If you feel the khmers are so bad for you, sorry, you better go in Singapore or HongKong and pay 200$ ST so you will finally put the money where your big mouth is.

You say you travel to "step up", so what the hell are you doing in Cambodia of all places?

No offence but I heard these rants a million times, even while in China and tokyo and HK actually and believe it or not there are foreigners complaining about girls in Singapore if that matters.

Only god knows where they will finally find a girl that suits their upper class and bizarre tastes!

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[Rick Rock]

I visited once on holiday to see what it was about, next time went on work. Any future visits would also be for work as I would head elsewhere for holiday.

[John Traveller]

Thanks for info, John. I followed your recommodations and went first to the bars you gave 3/5 (I notice you give none 4 or 5, I suppose this is correct for PP.) Now, I have been to PP before and know the bars on street 136, but not the ones on the other streets. I found you recommodations to be mostly correct. I start off with Bar City on street 110. What good luck! I arrive at 9 pm, immidiately I am approached by a pretty girl, she's very nice, a Viet girl. I buy her a drink, after a bit chatting and kissing I know that she is right for me, no reason to look any further. I ask about the $ for lt. She answers: what do you give? I say: 30. She counters with 50. I say 40. Ok. We go. Bf is 10. We take a tuktuk the short distance to my hotel for 3$. (Probably too much.) Yes, my decision was right, she turns out to be so nice, a good GFE. All night and morning, multiple FS. (No BJ, but that's ok. Also she is kind of only half horny, but that's ok too. Not all girls you meet can be orgastic, not even with DATY, some are only wet.)

The next night I start too late, I arrive in Bar Top Ten on street 104 at 10 pm. Lots of customers, most girls occupied already. Still I sit down to have a drink because the girls are really pretty. I can then make some observations and return the next day. One reason most of the girls (and all the pretty ones) are busy, is that some customers have taken several girls at once, one even has five at his table giving them all drinks! Very annoying! Folks: be considerate of your fellow mongerers and share the goods! (Even for us late arrivals.) LOL!

I leave and go to check out some other bars on several streets, but either the story is the same as in Top Ten, or the girls are not attractive and / or have some other issue. In one bar on street 136 (was it Lemon?) a girl quotes 50 for st! Ridiculous! The only answer to that is "bye-bye". (She didn't seem to be that into me, anyway.) On street 136, Sizzlers seems to be the best bar, but also here I am to late. This is of course the downside with the small bars in PP, the guests quickly outnumber the girls. Tomorrow I will start early!

I notice there are many regular tourists (or at least western foreigners) in PP, even if it's the rainy season. Why? There's very few tourist attractions here, so what do they all do, except walking the streeets looking bored?


After living here for a little while, I've compiled my notes in an attempt to give a run down of what is available and what it's like. I wish I would have had something like this when I started out, though after doing it I understand why someone wouldn't want to spend the time. I say this is an attempt, because as Appendix II shows, there are plenty of places I still don't know enough about to include a review.

I've followed each description with a rough score on a five point scale. 5/5 is the highest possible rating.

If you're interested in the scene, I recommend checking out places and doing your own assessment. Your opinions may (and probably will) differ from mine.

I'm also interested in any corrections or updates.

[GooberMonger]

I visited once on holiday to see what it was about, next time went on work. Any future visits would also be for work as I would head elsewhere for holiday.I wouldn't come here on holidays now; I would have said for sure check it out 5 to 10+ years ago when it was the wild wild west. Today the country doesn't have that much to offer. It's good for business and cheap to live here, but other than having a business to exploit the poor it ain't much good for too much more. Well one thing that I like no need to elaborate.

I don't holiday here, I just live here very comfortably. I do enjoy myself, but I don't know of I would recommend it to another expat. It is a lot safer than Thailand though a lot of expats get killed in Thailand and a lot of it is covered up.

Like when I lived there 6 guys committed suicide in my building in one year, all will the basic same M. O. My husband was depressed lately and he drank a lot tonight. Then jumped got pushed I mean jumped off the balcony I guess.

Thai police case closed. I here Phuket is really bad now not sure, just hear say.

My 2 cents, you have to decide for yourself, but I don't recommend living with a bar girl in Thailand.

[John Traveller]

On my third night I hit the bars on 104 and 136 early, at 7 pm, to beat the crowds. Which means that many girls are available, but then I get bored: the prices for st and lt are too high, the bars are too dark and the girls speak little english. So I decide to try out Cyrcee, or Say-say as they call it, since it has been recommended at this board. And this place is not bad, it's quite good in a way. In fact most of the girls here are good looking. When I arrive there at 9:30 there are no other customers, so all the girls scramble around me. 7 or 8 of them. I choose the one I like best, then one of the others asks if I want two girls. I decline since that's not my style. That other girl then gets angry and says something in Khmer and walks away. Strange how easy Khmers loose control when they get frustrated, so different from other Asians.

I finish my drink and off we go, cross the street to the short stay hotel and I pay for a room for one hour. The facilities are just adequate, towels are missing. My girl then goes on to wash my dick in the shower, then BBBJ and FS. She is both pretty and friendly and technically good, but not anything close to GFE of course. Damage is 8 for barfine. 25 to the girl. 5 for the room, toghether 38. Too much in my opinion, but that's how it is in PP now. I think the price hikes over the last years also is because of the dollarisation, people would have been more careful with their money if prices had been quoted in the local currency with the bigger numbers on the bills. Anyway, Cyrcee is recommended for st because you know what you get and you know that you will get it.

[Rick Rock]

More than $38 because you have to buy at least one drink and one for the lady or ladies you take.

No need to go to 25 for one pop short time. Should be 20. You can politely say you want two pops for 25 and you'll get it. If you take two ladies they're even more eager, because it's less work for them.

Why are their tourists in Phnom Penh? Because that's the capital. It's where the airplanes land. They spend a day or two in the city after their 15-20 hour flight before taking a buy to Siem Reap or Sihanoukville.

In the bars it's 50/50 on English. Some can speak quite well. Maybe 25 percent can't speak it at all. Much better percentage than in Thailand, and that goes for taxis and motos too.

[ThePrinz]

She is both pretty and friendly and technically good, but not anything close to GFE of course. Damage is 8 for barfine. 25 to the girl. 5 for the room, toghether 38. Too much in my opinion, but that's how it is in PP now. I think the price hikes over the last years also is because of the dollarisation, people would have been more careful with their money if prices had been quoted in the local currency with the bigger numbers on the bills. Anyway, Cyrcee is recommended for st because you know what you get and you know that you will get it.Exactly.

Too much indeed but at least at Cyrcee you won't be disappointed by the service unlike with other bars where the girls now ask as much as 50-60$ ST + barfine and don't even do BBBJ and turn out to be a total starfish in the bedroom.

As others have pointed out, Phnom Penh is no more worth the hassle compared to years ago, at least because of the prices but I see no way for the prices to ever go down, if suddenly tourists stop coming most of the girls will just go back to their village thus leaving even less girls in the market and therefore the prices could even go up or on par with Vietnam!

Only Snooky is still relatively cheap and down to heart but I wonder for how long and the number of girls in snooky is rather small compared to PP.

So, is Cambodia dead as a mongering destination? Not yet, but the golden days are truely over.

Last I've heard from my GF was a group of barangs getting drunk in 136 yesterday night and wasting over 500$ just in drinks / ladydrinks / tips and not getting any sex or even a french kiss! What the fuck. With clients like them there's no way the girls will ever ask fair prices and some bars are getting incredibly greedy and scams are the norm, if you complain they call the undercover police sitting outside and you'll get beaten up mercilessy, if the real police comes they will just blame the foreigners and eventually even escort you to the ATM below the Lux hotel to pay the bills!

That's the way it is here, no balcony jumpings like in Pattaya or Phuket but neither you can expect any protection or justice from the police, it's never going to happen, in the best scenario they will protect you from being lynched by a mob of angry Khmers if you make serious damages but that's all.

[ThePrinz]

In one bar on street 136 (was it Lemon?) a girl quotes 50 for st! Ridiculous! The only answer to that is "bye-bye". (She didn't seem to be that into me, anyway.) On street 136, Sizzlers seems to be the best bar, but also here I am to late. This is of course the downside with the small bars in PP, the guests quickly outnumber the girls. Tomorrow I will start early!

I notice there are many regular tourists (or at least western foreigners) in PP, even if it's the rainy season. Why? There's very few tourist attractions here, so what do they all do, except walking the streeets looking bored?Oasis and Lemon bargirls usually ask 40-50$ but I wonder why, none of their girls are above average, many speak bad English, many only do ladydrinks, almost all of them don't do BBBJ and their sexual power / libido doesn't look to be that high!

I would also stay away from Bar 69 and Cavalry Bar, the ladydrinks prices are just outrageous, Mr Butterfly also seems to have the most pretentious girls asking up to 70$ ST! That's just unbelievable but that's what I've heard, guess there's a sucker born every minute to pay so much for a random farm girl dressed with party clothes make-up and high heels? But in the end for the crowd of Pattaya mongers 2000 baht is pretty much OK nowadays.

[Rick Rock]

Last I've heard from my GF was a group of barangs getting drunk in 136 yesterday night and wasting over 500$ just in drinks / ladydrinks / tips and not getting any sex or even a french kiss! What the fuck.Guys have been doing that in Japan and Korea for decades, didn't dry up the available supply of 20 dollar BBBJ or 50-75 ST in those countries.

Hostess bars aren't brothels. That's what you need to understand.

[AussieGuy100]

Hostess bars aren't brothels. That's what you need to understand.Exactly. It amazes me how many guys think that they are buying a piece of meat when they go to a hostess bar. If they want that, they should just go to Street 51, Street 70, what Phnom, Street 63 etc

[John68]

Hi Guys,

I study your reports and seems to be a bit different comparing to what I read in web, well as far as I understood, the good old time of wild wet Asian time in PP is over but nevertheless. I'm heading for few days to PP and would like to know where shall I start best and regarding to that what you reported (which I'm quite agree the prices are run too high and sure is concerning the behavior of some who just pay all prices which has been requested from the girls.

To be clear in many reports (by other websides and friends) it was talking about for example taxi girls, who are mostly asking for just 5-10 bucks short time & max to 50 for night, also 85% where talking about walkabout which should be very suitable place nonestop and approx. For 25 Dollars night, so am I dreaming or they where just showing off, any how I'd like to know some informations about the behavior of the girls which means in detail. Or you think that some how like most eastern European countries or even in Thailand the girls have been organized themselves to keep the prices high?

Thanks

[GooberMonger]

Oasis and Lemon bargirls usually ask 40-50$ but I wonder why, none of their girls are above average, many speak bad English, many only do ladydrinks, almost all of them don't do BBBJ and their sexual power / libido doesn't look to be that high!

I would also stay away from Bar 69 and Cavalry Bar, the ladydrinks prices are just outrageous, Mr Butterfly also seems to have the most pretentious girls asking up to 70$ ST! That's just unbelievable but that's what I've heard, guess there's a sucker born every minute to pay so much for a random farm girl dressed with party clothes make-up and high heels? But in the end for the crowd of Pattaya mongers 2000 baht is pretty much OK nowadays.Absolutely! Even in off the map KTVs where the generals and upper class Khmer's go, most of the girl are only $50 ST up-stairs FS. They are 90% farm girls, but they can easily make $50 in tips from the big shots that are all frkin millionaires trying to show off their ill gotten money. Even the girls there don't ask for that kind of money, but most of them don't have sex with their customers, not by choice just the men are there more for entertainment, to get drunk with there co-works and friends, if they, myself included want sex we go to one of our GFs Flats bag on the door at 3:00 am and get GFE.

I only go do the bar seen mostly when I'm on holidays, I get harassed by other mongers that, I'm not legit or whatever. If you knew anything about Khmer culture it use to be common for men to have more than one wife and one family. Well now you have one wife and Songsa's (girlfriends in Khmer ). This is a status symbols in Khmer culture every or damn near every man who is married on my street has a or many Songsas. Just like the new trend is to drive a Range Rover instead of a Lexus SUV or for my other neighbour a Roll-Royce Ghost, which cost him only $500,000 and change.

Point being these guys won't even pay a farm girl more than $50 for a ST if they're feeling frisky, most of the time it's on a bet, which far exceeds any amount of money the girl will see.

Well I hope Hun Sen wins the election today, I would like to see him have a minority government though to stop some of his more radical laws he tries to make. For the peace and stability of the country, I'm hoping he wins, I think it's going to be close though because a big party I know of has been put on hold and everyone is working today. Could be blood in the streets, let's hope not, it sure would bring down the cost of mongering though, but the cost is too high.

Myself personally the corruption doesn't bother me it's a cost of doing business, which is more efficient and less expensive in comparison to what it would cost, if you had no corruption and paid the workers in the government wages like in the west and in the west you still have corruption on a large scale that far exceeds Cambodia in the amount of money big corporation pay the government. I pay no taxes to speak of here and the property I have here the taxes back home on that land for exceeds any tea I have served in the Kingdom.

Happy mongering and $20 a ST guys, walk away from anywhere or one charging more, let's at least give the tourists, sorry fellow mongers a reason to make Cambodia a stop on their adventures around the world for low cost P4P even if the quality might not be as good as other countries. There are some real nice looking girls here too, you just have to shop around a little more, unlike Thailand where you can go into a gogo and get a stunner and pay over $100 for her too and sorry, but in this mongers opinion Thai girls have lost that loving feeling and it's gone gone gone. They even have a TV show for bar girl's in Thailand to screw their heads up more. Wish I could remember the name of it, but if you understand Thai this show would shock you at the instructions or syllabus they are teaching the up and coming stars, unbelievable.

Cheers

[Zack81]

First of all, I apologize for my English, I am not a native speaker but trying my best so be kind to me.

So I was in Phnom Penh last week for three days and decided to try my luck at the hostess bars on streets 104, 110 and 136 the first two days and the third day go for the freelancer bars at street 51. Considering JohnTheMatress extensive bar guide and experience I decided to follow his recommendations.

Day 1.

After a couple of 50 cent beers at the backpacker street (st 172 I think) I decided to try out the hostess bar Top Ten on street 104. There were around twelve girls sitting around tables when I entered the place. Most of them below avarege in look. Four of them sitting with some Asian guys buying them drink after drink. The others who were available were just sitting there looking bored. They were'nt even acknowledging my presence when I sat down at the bar. WTF! Now I am pretty young (32years old, maybe this was the problem?) and decent looking and have no problems getting girls so this was very surprising as I am used to get surrounded by girls when entering these kinds of bars in other countries. I sat down ordered a drink, drank it fast and headed for st 110 instead.

On st 110 I went for City Bar which supposed to have good looking Viet girls. When entering the bar, I got approached by a stunner (9/10 in looks!). I bought her a drink and we talked for a while. She was twenty years old and was half Vietnamese and half Khmer. She was very cute but seemed very shy and I got the feeling pretty soon that she was only working for lady drinks. Too good to be true. I hate that crap (why should I pay a girl just to talk with her?) and decided to cut my losses and head for st 136 instead.

On st 136, first I went to Candy Bar. Much bettter, around twenty different girls sitting down and greeting me when entering the bar. Got immediately approched by three girls, two not so good looking and one that was quite a cutie (7/10 in looks). I bought the cutie a drink and went upstairs with her. She immediatley asked if I wanted to go with her. I asked how much and she said 30 USD for 2 hours. What does she mean by 2 hours really? Short time is normally one shot and after my shot. Which take 30 minutes in average – the sex is over so I don't see the point with a 2 hour ST. Anyway. 30 USD for ST is too much for me, and I wasn't in the mood to haggle so I finished my drink and left.

Next I went to Lemon Bar. What a dissapointment that was. All the girls look bored and below average in looks. I talked to some girls but it was depressing so I drank my beer fast and went out of there to Best 136 Bar (I think that's the name). After just a couple of seconds I met a great looking girl and also very friendly and happy. Finally! I bought her a drink and sat down with her. Asked her if she wanted to go home with for the whole night for 40 USD (I think that's a fair price considering her great looks and attitude). She agreed and I paid BF 10 USD and we went back to my hotel room. OK sex, FS two times, including one in the morning. GFE but kind of forced if you know what I mean. I got the feeling she wasn't that much into it that I would like her to be. But anyway, well spent money, she gave me a good experience all in all and I gave her a good tip before she left in the morning.

[Zack81]

Day 2.

A bit tired after last nights drinking and sex I managed to get up before noon and have breakfast and make plans for the day. Except for the girl I took home, the bars and girls yesterday were a dissapointment, and I was hoping that this night would be better. In the evening after dinner and a couple of 2 dollar drinks I decided to try my luck on st 136 again. I entered Oasis bar around 10 a clock and sat down ordering a beer. All the girls in the room were below averege in looks and seemed bored. The bartender (the only girl above average) sat next to me and asked if I could buy here a drink, I declined as I don't like that approach. Girls getting guys to buy them drinks and then leave is not my cup of tea. Maybe if she was Carmen Electra ten years ago I could buy her a drink just to talk to her but not this average looking bartender girl. Time to change bar!

I went out on the street trying to decide where to go next when I heard someone screaming my name. It was the cutie from Candy Bar yesterday! I followed her into the bar and sat down with her. I asked how much she wanted to go home with me for the night. She said 10 dollars! Alright. 10 dollars for LT with a cute girl! Good deal. I paid barfine 10 USD and we went back to my place. The sex started of good with BBBJ and then she jumped on top of me riding. But a little bit too mechanical and she didn't want to kiss with tongues, big dissapointment! I asked her to leave after I finished since I didn't like her attitude and gave her the promised 10 dollars. Immediately she started to ask for more money. WTF! I got angry and forced her out of the room.

[Zack81]

Day 3.

It's Friday and time for the freelancer bars on street 51. First I went Walkabout to grab a couple of cheap beers. I wasn't there to pick up a girl but got approached by a cute girl who was not shy and very straightforward (as opposed to the girls in hostess bars). She asked: 'boom boom'? I declined since the night was young and I had a couple of more places to visit. After a couple of drinks and a bit boozed-up I headed to Hearth of Darkness.

It was around midnight when I entered the club and it was quite busy in there. Bought a drink and looked around for freelancers. Didn't spot that many actually, most regular Khmer girls having a fun night out. After a while a noticed some girls giving me the look and I approached one of them. After a while talking to her it was pretty obviuos she was a ladyboy and I run away! Damn ladyboys, they look like really hot girls from distance (and specially when it's dark and you have been drinking) but the closer you get the more obvious it gets. I decided to leave the place and try Pontoon which is suppose the best place to pick upp freelancers.

The entrance fee was 6 dollar and included a drink. I sat down at the bar and noticed plenty of freelancers giving me the look. I approached a cute one (it's not like in some other countries were they approach you) and bought her a drink and we talked for a while. She was very friendly and had a good attitude. She came home with me after a couple of hours party and we had great sex. Waking up in the morning I had no idea how much money I had promised her (it was a long night out and I was drunk) but gave her 30 dollars which she seemed happy with.

In conclusion: Phnom Penh is an OK mongering destination, not great but not bad either. Next time I visit Phnom Penh I will only go for the freelancers in the bars at st 51 (especially Pontoon) as I prefered the girls there, both in term of looks and attitude. In general Khmer girls seem quite shy and not very sexual or flirty. I got the sense that they aren't into western men as much as in Vietnam (the country I visited before I came to Cambodia). I prefer the girls in Vietnam, they are very flirty and sexual and look better. You can walk down the streets and get plenty of looks from attractive girls. Altough the working girls are more expensive in Vietnam (and there are logistics problems) compared to Cambodia it's still worth it. A lot of freebies opportunities as well as opposed to Cambodia were the girls seem to be either virgins or hookers if they are not married. Mabey its a cultural thing? I know in some countries girls are being looked down on if they are dating a western guy. But this is just my impression after three days, I may very well be totally wrong of course.

[Rick Rock]

Yes you are wrong. Cambodia is probably one of the most tolerant countries in the world when it comes to local women dating foreigners.

Your other experiences seem right on the money though it sounds like you ripped off the girl from Candy. No way she agreed to go for ten. She probably thought you were talking about the bar fine.

Many of the girls in Pontoon after 1 am are bar girls. Not too many that will go out of there with guys don't work in bars. For me it's not worth the hassle. Especially when they have a cover charge for some shitty DJ you've never heard of. Noisy, full of drunken assholes. Much prefer hostess bars.

[HenryV]

Where is Pontoon?


Yes you are wrong. Cambodia is probably one of the most tolerant countries in the world when it comes to local women dating foreigners.

Your other experiences seem right on the money though it sounds like you ripped off the girl from Candy. No way she agreed to go for ten. She probably thought you were talking about the bar fine.

Many of the girls in Pontoon after 1 am are bar girls. Not too many that will go out of there with guys don't work in bars. For me it's not worth the hassle. Especially when they have a cover charge for some shitty DJ you've never heard of. Noisy, full of drunken assholes. Much prefer hostess bars.

[GooberMonger]

i head out about 9:00 am to go to the bank got some banking to do. leave and i talked to a friend said i 'd see him later in toul kork, because i wanted to go to the post office and check my mail. the post office is not far from what phnom if you don't know.

did i pick the wrong day or what oh yes it's the last day for complaining for the election traffic is a mess, but not too bad i manage to get the mail and think i'm not driving back through that traffic so i decide i'm going to go over to walkabout for a couple pints to relax before heading home.

i walk into walkabout and it's a horror show not even a 5/10 for girls, but i know that time of day usually not much to choose from and i'm only there for a cheap beer $1.25 for a angkor draft and this girl comes over to where i'm sitting and asks me if i wanted a boom boom. i said no thank you and told her she was too old for my taste she says i'm 28 yes your too old 18-24 year old girls i like and told her i don't go with bar girls, she still doesn't leave i only want a beer i told look i have several girl friends all in their early 20s and any new gf i would consider has to be an original girl (virgin ).

she gets all excited, oh i miss the part where she called me a liar, so i called all my gfs put my phone on speaker so she could hear and called up a few asked them how old are you noe honey i forget. so after that she gets excited and says i have a younger sister in the countryside. oh? do tell and mean while one of my gfs is coming to see me at walkabout she really wants to see me. back to the bar girl, ok do you have a picture of her? no, but i can get her here. ok, oh i missed my bs before that about having a wife before in pp and she was no good and looking for a new wife, might be why she was really excited a barang husband in the family is like having your own atm machine.

anyway if she is better than a 6/10 a new gf for me and if not just keep here on the hook for a month and teach her to be good fs girl. point is fellow mongers virgins are out there that you could spend a couple weeks down in snooky, with a nice girl, go bareback with no worries and have a great time. if that's your thing and i know a lot of guys use to grab a girl for 2 weeks or however long they were staying. warning this girl has no father, good because dad finds out you took his daughter's virginity your going to be or possibly be in a world of shit and charged for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). if you have read my posts before remember to take this girl to a gh have her sign in and pay for the room. (make sure it is written in the log book) and dad has no case or the daughter who is being forced to charge you by her father will have no case, no problems for you if the police do come, tell them that the girl took you to the gh and pay for a cup of tea for them and your on your marry way.

i know this is not what every or too many mongers are into, but some might enjoy the experience one time, you might even like it and want to do the same again. hell you might even fall in love, haha.

ok in closing i'll just add that if you need some help and want to give this a go pm me if your coming to town and i'm more than willing to go more into detail on how to do this, if your interested. another thing if you are interested, what makes this so easy for myself is i speak the language. in pp a lot of people and bar girls can speak english a little, but get a book first off and learn a little, if you know some cambodian people back home they can help you, a few books out there that use phonetics so you can learn to say the worlds they'll be close, but a cambodian back home, a bar girl or your new gf will help you. if you have a book you can look up the words you want to say to your friend and show her they have it written in cambodian as well. also there are apps. for your phone english-khmer, but i haven't seen if they have the phontic spelling for the word in khmer; they have it for the english word, ok i got things to do got to run, happy mongering.

oh, almost forgot my drive home took 3.5 hours because of the election parties campaigning, stress on the pain in the ass had to have a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) from all the draft beer my back teeth were floating by the time i got home. finished now, again hope he hun sen wins for cambodia's sake.

cheers

[Matt Navan Man]

I asked her to leave after I finished since I didn't like her attitude and gave her the promised 10 dollars. Immediately she started to ask for more money. WTF! I got angry and forced her out of the room.You are lucky to still be alive with such low ball activity. Let this be a lesson to other tourists who do not speak Khmer. $10 will never be the agreed price. If you think that's the quote something is lost in translation.

[Rick Rock]

Where is Pontoon?Sorya Mall.

Google is your friend: http://goo.gl/maps/2rSnP

[Neiht]

Was in PP for a very short trip, just overnight. I wanted to try Chinese or Koreans, so went to Nagaworld to check out the scene. At around 9pm, not much going on with any freelancers looking remotely like Chinese or Koreans. So, downed my expensive drink and went to Le Cyrcee Bar. Came in at about 11pm and there were few guys at the bar, but not too many girls available. Well, they were all upstair with a bus load of Japanese, which barfined the lot, about 8 of them. Anyway, approached by the remainders, one was cute, friendly, flirty, and spoke English almost as good as a native. Bought her the mandatory LD and chat awhile. Then she (name Sre Ann?) asked if I'm ready to fuck.

Paid bar bill, went across the street for the 5$ ST room. Firmed body, typical smallish boobs (32b) , great round perky ass. Showered, hop on the bed, she proceed to fuck me with her mouth, sloppy BBBJ until I'm ready for the cowgirl. Needless to say, she fucked me for 20 minutes, blew the load during standing doggie, great view of her ass. Rest for about 5 minutes and she asked if I'm ready for second. WTF, so I told her go ahead. And off she goes again with the sloppy BBBJ. Action repeated furiously until I can't fuck no longer. Paid her 30$ for the great PSE action and went on my way, normally it's 25$ for ST.

As many had said here on the board, Le Cyrcee does not disappoint. Go there (street 49 between 130 and 136) , grab a beer, let the girls fight over you, take your time and pick who ever feel right and enjoyed the experience. Also had a threesome there on another visit, good fun action. This place is a great value for your dick.

[John Traveller]

I have heard the bars in both pp and snv are closed today and tomorrow because of the election. Can anybody confirm this?

Is it ALL types of bars?

[Rick Rock]

Was in PP for a very short trip, just overnight. I wanted to try Chinese or Koreans, so went to Nagaworld to check out the scene. At around 9pm, not much going on with any freelancers looking remotely like Chinese or Koreans. So, downed my expensive drink and went to Le Cyrcee Bar. Came in at about 11pm and there were few guys at the bar, but not too many girls available. Well, they were all upstair with a bus load of Japanese, which barfined the lot, about 8 of them. Anyway, approached by the remainders, one was cute, friendly, flirty, and spoke English almost as good as a native. Bought her the mandatory LD and chat awhile. Then she (name Sre Ann?) asked if I'm ready to fuck.

Paid bar bill, went across the street for the 5$ ST room. Firmed body, typical smallish boobs (32b) , great round perky ass. Showered, hop on the bed, she proceed to fuck me with her mouth, sloppy BBBJ until I'm ready for the cowgirl. Needless to say, she fucked me for 20 minutes, blew the load during standing doggie, great view of her ass. Rest for about 5 minutes and she asked if I'm ready for second. WTF, so I told her go ahead. And off she goes again with the sloppy BBBJ. Action repeated furiously until I can't fuck no longer. Paid her 30$ for the great PSE action and went on my way, normally it's 25$ for ST.

As many had said here on the board, Le Cyrcee does not disappoint. Go there (street 49 between 130 and 136) , grab a beer, let the girls fight over you, take your time and pick who ever feel right and enjoyed the experience. Also had a threesome there on another visit, good fun action. This place is a great value for your dick.Did her before. Slim, small tits. Bit of a tart. Speaks good English because she's been working for years. There's better action to be had there. Glad you enjoyed though. For future notice 25 includes 2 pops. 20 for 1.

[Rocksoff]

I stayed at Paris Hotel recently, mentioned here previously for having a fishbowl on the 2nd floor.

The facilities are all there on that floor, reception desk, stacked chairs, massage rooms with little windows in the doors, but during my stay it was always completely dark and deserted.

It didn't look like it's being cleared out, so maybe it will reopen.

[Shearer68]

Hi guys,

Just a quick question about Himawari. I am pretty certain it will be GF but can anyone confirm who has stayed there. I have booked it for 4 other guys and there will be hell to pay if it is not. Not been over to PP for around 5 years but looking forward it next week.

[John Traveller]

election day, all bars are closed. so what can i do? massage-places are not drinking places, i think. they must be open. i confer with john-the-mattress' list and take a moto to seul golden city. but the address doesn't seem right, still the sign outside says the right name, so i guess it must be the place. it's a large building, but there are no people there! i enter the reception, empty. after walking around shouting hello for a while i give up and leave. election day!

next on my list is yang mey (street 252 between 63 and 93). but the driver can't find it. he stops and confer with various people. luckily i have brought a map, and after some discussion with bystanders he finally manage to find a route. i enter yang-mey, head upstairs and walk through the reception to the "fish-bowl".12 girls, of which half are doable, one quarter even attractive. i choose one of them and we head upstairs. when we get to the room i find that the girl's english is close to zero and some confusion arises. i ask about about the price: "boom-boom 20?". she answers with sign language "40", and repeats "four-zero, four-zero" and draw the number on the wall. i reply with "30" and show her the bills. she then says "35" and won't budge on that. i then start walking towards the door, then of course she accepts 30, and seems happy about it too. we shower, the facilities are adequate except the toilet which is clogged with condoms, i [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in the sink instead. then we lie on the bed, she is really nice and smiling, goggling. nice boddy and boobies too! i then notice a huge sign on the wall: "no sex" it says. lol. we hug and kiss a bit for a while, then fs in mish and horizontal doggie. in the end she squeezes me really good with her pussy. nice! then it's in the shower again. after she gives me a real massage of my back and shoulders. then down to the reception and pay 10, which makes the total damage 40.

i recommend this "no-sex"-place for a quickie, just remember to bargain. my max limits in pp used to be 25/40 for st / lt. now i found it necessary to increase those numbers to 40/50 (in total expences that is). i will not call pp a primary mongering destination anymore, but it is a good secondary.

[Zack81]

You are lucky to still be alive with such low ball activity. Let this be a lesson to other tourists who do not speak Khmer. $10 will never be the agreed price. If you think that's the quote something is lost in translation.Oh no, nothing was lost in translation. She said she liked me and said 10 USD (not barfine). I think she wanted additional money after sex for a taxi but I didn't have any. By the way, I meet her the day after and gave her 5 USD because I felt bad. She was very happy to see me so I don't feel lucky to be alive. Just because you don't get cheap sex from cute bargirls it doesn't mean it won't happened to others.

[Mahku]

Hi guys,

Just a quick question about Himawari. I am pretty certain it will be GF but can anyone confirm who has stayed there. I have booked it for 4 other guys and there will be hell to pay if it is not. Not been over to PP for around 5 years but looking forward it next week.I brought in a couple of girls last January. They kept I'd at the security desk but there was no problem and no extra charge.

[On The Road]

Business as usual?

Please let us know the real situation in Pp after the election. Is it safe? Bars are open?

Should be there in a couple of days.

Thanks.

[GooberMonger]

Business as usual?

Please let us know the real situation in Pp after the election. Is it safe? Bars are open?

Should be there in a couple of days.

Thanks.No problems to speak of just a few people over excited about the election, but all is good. Good news He Hun Sen doesn't have a majority government anymore, bad news probably nothing will change in the country unless there is some give and take on both sides.

The weather is good not too hot today, the women are hot though and the beer is cold.

Cheers

[Member #4698]

Cambodian opposition rejects Hun Sen election win. Looks like the election was rigged. Therefor the unfolding situation bears watching for those of us who are interested and care about Phnom Penh and Cambodia.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/28/cambodian-opposition-rejects-hun-sen-election-win/

[NspectHerGadgt]

I read the 3 day adventures of Mr. Zack. Poor fellow seems to walk into all the wrong bars on Streets 104 110 and 136. Well, now we know where not to go.

Hoping for a little more detail on the one that went right: "went out of there to Best 136 Bar (I think that's the name). After just a couple of seconds I met a great looking girl and also very friendly and happy."

Yes, Best Bar 136 is a great place. Do you know the young lady's name, that took care of you that night? Or more detailed description?

Thanks Mate!

[Pinche Gringo]

He'll, nothing new here. That is how it has been for the past elections as well. When I was in Cambodia for the last election, I went out with a friend on one of the CPP's campaign stop. At the village, they gave every lady there a new sarong and each family 10,000 riel per family member in an envelope. Unfortunately, this s just h politics are one in Cambodia.


Cambodian opposition rejects Hun Sen election win. Looks like the election was rigged. Therefor the unfolding situation bears watching for those of us who are interested and care about Phnom Penh and Cambodia.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/28/cambodian-opposition-rejects-hun-sen-election-win/

[DanG00]

Hello all, I'm headed to PP, SR, and Snooky for just over two weeks. Will arrive early Friday and thinking of checking walkabout for first day. Def thinking of Pontoon and enjoying the hints on how to best negotiate with the local talent. GM and the rest of the team, it would be fun to meet up for a drink if you have time. Granted my trip is mostly about the sites I plan to spend at least half the time applying the lessons here.

If I'm dead wrong in starting at walkabout and could go for a better place that's better and cheaper in the same area that would be even better. Will have to review the latest pages here once more to make a decent gameplan.

Know I'm a rookie per se but have taken a few journeys to Mexico, PI, VT, China, and Korea with good memories. Hope to hear from some folks soon and first drink on me.

[Zack81]

I read the 3 day adventures of Mr. Zack. Poor fellow seems to walk into all the wrong bars on Streets 104 110 and 136. Well, now we know where not to go.

Hoping for a little more detail on the one that went right: "went out of there to Best 136 Bar (I think that's the name). After just a couple of seconds I met a great looking girl and also very friendly and happy."

Yes, Best Bar 136 is a great place. Do you know the young lady's name, that took care of you that night? Or more detailed description? Thanks Mate!Sorry mate, I never remember the girls names. The only thing I do remember about this girl was that she was 27 years old and had a nine year old son. I don't think I had bad luck with the bars I just think my expectations were a bit too high. I had got used the bars in Thailand and Vietnam (Saigon and Vung Tau) which have prettier and more sexual girls (but more expensive). But like someone said; these bars in PP are not brothels and the girls don't line up getting ready to go home with you. The best looking girls tend to only work for lady drinks which is frustrating. But there are pretty girls out there, just need some patience. And for the girls looking bored; I can't really blame them, I wouldn't do better myself if I was in their situation.

By the way, I'm in Sihanoukville at this very moment and I prefer it here. Not that many girls as in PP but they seem to have a better attitude. And the prices are very low! 15 USD LT las night with an OK girl.

[Rick Rock]

Hello all, I'm headed to PP, SR, and Snooky for just over two weeks. Will arrive early Friday and thinking of checking walkabout for first day. Def thinking of Pontoon and enjoying the hints on how to best negotiate with the local talent. GM and the rest of the team, it would be fun to meet up for a drink if you have time. Granted my trip is mostly about the sites I plan to spend at least half the time applying the lessons here.

If I'm dead wrong in starting at walkabout and could go for a better place that's better and cheaper in the same area that would be even better. Will have to review the latest pages here once more to make a decent gameplan.

Know I'm a rookie per se but have taken a few journeys to Mexico, PI, VT, China, and Korea with good memories. Hope to hear from some folks soon and first drink on me.You want better or you want cheaper?

Cheaper exists around places like what Phnom, Sorya Mall freelancers and the brothels, but not recommended since they're worse off than what's available at Walkabout. And that's saying something. There isn't a woman in Walkabout I'd fuck for free let alone pay. Maybe you're hard up or dead broke?

If not, you'll do MUCH better, performance, looks and safety wise, if you head to Cyrcee. One drink for you, one drink for the lady you chose, five dollar barfine, five dollar guest house. 25 dollars two pops.

[DanG00]

You want better or you want cheaper?

Cheaper exists around places like what Phnom, Sorya Mall freelancers and the brothels, but not recommended since they're worse off than what's available at Walkabout. And that's saying something. There isn't a woman in Walkabout I'd fuck for free let alone pay. Maybe you're hard up or dead broke?

If not, you'll do MUCH better, performance, looks and safety wise, if you head to Cyrcee. One drink for you, one drink for the lady you chose, five dollar barfine, five dollar guest house. 25 dollars two pops.Rick Rock, sorry for not being more clear. Was looking for advice about accommodations. Thanks for the tip on Cyrcee, on the list of places to visit.

That said, any advice on lodging. See there are a fair number of places around $20 but would like to have a decent place to crash at the close of each day. Not looking for high end resorts but rather a place that is around $20 nightly, guest friendly, and safe enough.

[AskeAske]

By the way, I'm in Sihanoukville at this very moment and I prefer it here. Not that many girls as in PP but they seem to have a better attitude. And the prices are very low! 15 USD LT las night with an OK girl.


Hello Zack.

Please remember write a report on the Sihanoukville tread.

[Rick Rock]

Rick Rock, sorry for not being more clear. Was looking for advice about accommodations. Thanks for the tip on Cyrcee, on the list of places to visit.

That said, any advice on lodging. See there are a fair number of places around $20 but would like to have a decent place to crash at the close of each day. Not looking for high end resorts but rather a place that is around $20 nightly, guest friendly, and safe enough.As far as I know there isn't a place in Phnom Penh at that rate which isn't guest friendly.

Blue Kiwi and Lux are very close to riverside and bars on streets 136, 130, 118, 110. Maybe a 7 minute walk or 1 minute moto to Cyrcee, street 104, Nay Nay, etc.

If you want to stay around 51 seems a lot of guys like Flamingo. Not for me. But it is popular. Royal Mekong is a 5 minute walk and much nicer.

I'm not expert on hotels though. I had an apartment when I stayed long, only tried a few hotels when I stayed short.

[Gone Around]

i was back in phnom penh this past couple of weeks working, eating, and being a martini pub man a few nights.

the general racket there is the same, some gals greet you in groups (usually roommates) and others just sit back to wait for someone to join them. however, the $ 15 st of last year seems gone. it's more mixed-vietnamese and khmai gals than before. a few more pressure sales types than before, but overall still kind of friendly. it remains full of 6-8/10 mostly skinny, spinners with a few older gotten soft working gals.

when offering a couple different gals longer term options, then the costs changed. no $ 30 per day, but requesting more like $ 50 a day or $ 100 for 3 nights plus the expected room, board, and shopping. do keep in mind, i tend to work with gals that know each other so their trust of me can build. also, i've found from past experience, treating a small group well, gets me more rewards than being singular. read last years posts.

besides that point, at those rates, i skipped taking a gal along with me and treated myself to a nice week of work in the countryside with few distractions, but good food, ktv, and plenty of beer and local wine.

anyways, when coming back to phnom penh, i had originally thought to do a night on the ritz, raffles style. however, during my taxi ride back to town, i really didn't feel like pushing myself out there so much when all i wanted was a generally relaxed evening, good food, and easy going companionship. further, since i was tired of tourists, i went more local. ktv hotel kind of local, $ 17 / night plus fees if any, includes ac and fast internet, but no breakfast.

i guess, i hadn't really tried this out before because i know in taiwan, top 8-10/10 ktv is a $ 300 to $ 500 / night wantan ordeal. sliding back the looks really drops the price though. therefore, i'd been prejudiced about spending stupid money and further knowing when going local you need language skills. in taiwan, not much of a problem, but i figured if i tried a chinese ktv hotel in phnom penh, the costs would be more reasonable and despite little to no english skills, my chinese could overcome the issues.

it turns out, what i thought was a chinese ktv hotel, was a khmai place. at first, i was daunted to learn this during my 1 pm check-in. however, i'd already paid online for the hotel and figured i could always walk the 8 minutes to martini pub as a backup.

after visiting the russian market and resting in the room, i got cleaned up and ate at a nice khmai / thai place nearby. a few things about going local, the food quality drastically improves, the smiles are friendlier, and the costs are lower. in general, you'll only catch me once a trip at the western places unless i'm with local friends and going in a group.

after building up my personal courage, i got off at the 2nd floor thinking it was the ktv entrance. nope, it was more like a holding pen for some of the best looking ladies i've seen in all of cambodia. talk about daunting. my normally confident self mumbled out a hello and got a few titters back. i figured on seeing maybe a dozen gals overall. nope, there many groupings of 3-6 gals all throughout the area. realizing i was being stupid, i went back to the ground floor and talked to one of the guys there who said no chinese speakers and tiny, tiny english speakers. however he and i chatted further to build a rapport and then he escorted me to room on the 7th floor. room 701 with room attendant leap, nice gal. wouldn't mind dating her outside of the ktv.

so, i sit down in the ktv room. through bad translations, it's asked if i just want to sing or have girls. i request 2. while waiting, i select my songs and get singing. further, my case of abc beer for $ 25 and a couple of $ 5 snacks show up. about 10 minutes later, after i figure the 3 gals willing to sit with a foreigner we're pulled into my room.

two of the three gals were darker skinned, and 6-7/10. the last, fairer skin, was 8/10, but kept herself pushed into the corner and didn't feel right to me. though i knew i could've asked for another selection, i really didn't care, i just wanted to sing, drink, and have a 2 ladies attend me. so i took the outriggers. 7/10 spoke some english and might have survival level with a little more effort. the 6/10 gal, was minimal, but smiling for real.

anyways, speeding up, leap gets our song orders, keeps our beer initially topped up, and then my pretties and i sing. soon, i realize, these gals can drink and are probably pros. i just to keep to a comfortable pace and enjoy the gals each slowly getting closer to me and roaming hands. nothing overtly sexual at all. after an hour, i could care less if i got laid, i was having fun and doing something different.

going into the second hour, the gals were feeding me, wrapping my arms around them, kissing my cheek, sometimes kissing me on the lips, pulling / poking / massaging my nose, hair, chest, various body parts.

i did no groping. just sang, drank, and hugged these pretty ladies to my sides when possible. sometimes getting the 2 wrapped with me during love songs. fun, but requires body coordination. blah, blah, blah, nearing hour 3, we've gotten up and danced and then then started slowing down.

seems that leap felt things were just past the peak and started wrapping things up. the ktv bills was $ 35; $ 3 / hour room, $ 3 / abc beer since less than case, $ 5 / snack. 10, 000 riel tip to each gal and leap. no mention of anything further was mentioned other than come and see us again soon. so $ 42. 50 damage for nearly 3 hours of good fun.

i had hoped 7/10 would ask to come with me, but nothing came of it. in reflection. 7/10 was playing her role, but nothing real behind it. it probably would've been only slightly better than a starfish.

while waiting for the elevator to come. 6/10 also came to go go downstairs, despite the language barrier, i asked about going upstairs. she mentioned a few things, but i didn't pressure or anything, just lead the way and figured she'd follow or not. we got to my room, sat on the bed, chatted, kissed full on a little, but she discussed going home to sleep and i requested she stay. she wasn't keen on it, but no pressure.

after i went to use the restroom and came back, she was passed out on my bed. guess she wasn't as much of heavyweight as i thought. anyways, not wanting to disturb her, i worked for a bit and then since we was on top of the covers and i finally wanted sleep, i rolled her around a tad so i could get her under the covers and then myself.

weirdly, she woke up for a moment, kissed me full on, pulled up the covers and went back to sleep. well, if nothing else, she was cute and it's pleasure to have a young thing in my bed even if nothing came of it.

a few hours later, she woke to use the restroom for the beer train. on her return she kissed me full on again, cuddled right up to me, and then feel promptly asleep.

eventually 6 am rolls around and i caress her a tad since i'm awake and don't feel like working. she curls up more next to me and i close my eyes. soon, i feeling frisky so i caress again and this slowly leads to one of the most enjoyable gfe i've ever had. too bad, right at 7 am her roomie calls.

after her call, we joked a bit, then got cleaned up. i ate breakfast, she declined and slept on. i'd join her in bed off and on till 10 am, when i finally had to close off our time and head to the airport via a $ 7 tuktuk.

she gave no mention of money other than concern that the 10, 000 riel tips had been given to her friends since it took a while to get the money boy to return the night before. because of the past nights' experience, i sensed that this was more of gal actually liking me and us having chemistry than a bought time deal. therefore, i didn't ask her how much and just gave her a variety of change that added up to $ 10. she looked at me funny when i gave her the money and set it aside. i then used google to translate my appreciation for such a wonderful time. she then smiled more cheerfully before kissing me further.

in the end, we walked out comfortably together and i've left cambodia a sadder knowing there's some real good people doing a thankless job because a lack of means, means lack of opportunities. she's something special to me.

also. 7/10 was a good singer, but fmomg. 6/10 had singing passion that made me sad the ktv time ended at 3 hours. i could've listened to her for the night.

most importantly, this adventure reminded me about forgetting the destination and getting more into the journey. there's a real difference between buying a woman's time and her giving it willing.

[Gone Around]

The guys working along the KTV, massage, guest house, and hotel strip between Independence Monument and the Russian Market will hook you up with a local gal for $ 20 ST, probable cheaper if you want. However, she'll have no ID and therefore a guest house would be your best bet to shag.

One concern, these gals tend to be lower status, quite a bit down, and just seeing them is depressing. I took one for a change and frankly, it's not something I'm proud of and am thankful I never did the deed with her. Sometimes apathy is a real mood killer and better focus of what's really important.

So, if you want it, it's there, but frankly, go to Martini and shag several gals in a row instead there. These gals have had more options before choosing their place.

[Gone Around]

For whatever reason, crime reports by foreigners have risen. Frankly, if you're losing your stuff when with a gal / guy, you're probably not thinking ahead.

Get smart, when you go out to play, stick a photocopy of your passport main page in your back pocket with a business card from a place nearby your hotel. Further, only carry $ 50 to $ 100 cash at most. Keep no more than $ 20 in one pocket and the rest in another.

Draw from the smaller money pile as needed and then only grab a single bill from the larger side when needed.

Still, you might be robbed, but it'll be minimal and you can play the you didn't good stuff attitude.

Lastly, I've have well over a hundred encounters and the only theft I caught was when I stuck my Russian beauty in the living room and locked my bedroom door because I didn't trust her. She stole the mini bar. Now, I'm meaner, done with deed, go away.

Lastly, since there are times I want to stay nice, but also want to play. Therefore, I'll have a nice longer term place and on the days I want to play around, I'll rent a short-term place by the hour or for the day. This way, my valuables probably stay locked in my safe at the real room and the fuck room is just that.

Do you have further thoughts for keeping things under control?

[SailSingapore]

For whatever reason, crime reports by foreigners have risen. Frankly, if you're losing your stuff when with a gal / guy, you're probably not thinking ahead.

Lastly, since there are times I want to stay nice, but also want to play. Therefore, I'll have a nice longer term place and on the days I want to play around, I'll rent a short-term place by the hour or for the day. This way, my valuables probably stay locked in my safe at the real room and the fuck room is just that.

Do you have further thoughts for keeping things under control?In PP it makes a lot of sense : I got a very nice girl-UNfriendly hotel for myself & just a nice yet cheap room at hotel opposite Bar 69 at 136 St for nocturnal activity on a nightly basis. I asked the wl's to give their I'd cards (and did NOT give mine) for booking the room (while I paid for it) each night and left late at night to go back to my own hotel while the wl's slept over & enjoyed the room in the cheaper hotel

[FreebieFan]

i.

besides that point, at those rates, i skipped taking a gal along with me and treated myself to a nice week of work in the countryside with few distractions, but good food, ktv, and plenty of beer and local wine.

anyways, when coming back to phnom penh, i had originally thought to do a night on the ritz, raffles style. however, during my taxi ride back to town, i really didn't feel like pushing myself out there so much when all i wanted was a generally relaxed evening, good food, and easy going companionship. further, since i was tired of tourists, i went more local. ktv hotel kind of local, $ 17 / night plus fees if any, includes ac and fast internet, but no breakfast.

i guess, i hadn't really tried this out before because i know in taiwan, top 8-10/10 ktv is a $ 300 to $ 500 / night wantan ordeal. sliding back the looks really drops the price though. therefore, i'd been prejudiced about spending stupid money and further knowing when going local you need language skills. in taiwan, not much of a problem, but i figured if i tried a chinese ktv hotel in phnom penh, the costs would be more reasonable and despite little to no english skills, my chinese could overcome the issues.

it turns out, what i thought was a chinese ktv hotel, was a khmai place. at first, i was daunted to learn this during my 1 pm check-in. however, i'd already paid online for the hotel and figured i could always walk the 8 minutes to martini pub as a backup.

after visiting the russian market and resting in the room, i got cleaned up and ate at a nice khmai / thai place nearby. a few things about going local, the food quality drastically improves, the smiles are friendlier, and the costs are lower. in general, you'll only catch me once a trip at the western places unless i'm with local friends and going in a group.

after building up my personal courage, i got off at the 2nd floor thinking it was the ktv entrance. nope, it was more like a holding pen for some of the best looking ladies i've seen in all of cambodia. talk about daunting. my normally confident self mumbled out a hello and got a few titters back. i figured on seeing maybe a dozen gals overall. nope, there many groupings of 3-6 gals all throughout the area. realizing i was being stupid, i went back to the ground floor and talked to one of the guys there who said no chinese speakers and tiny, tiny english speakers. however he and i chatted further to build a rapport and then he escorted me to room on the 7th floor. room 701 with room attendant leap, nice gal. wouldn't mind dating her outside of the ktv.

so, i sit down in the ktv room. through bad translations, it's asked if i just want to sing or have girls. i request 2. while waiting, i select my songs and get singing. further, my case of abc beer for $ 25 and a couple of $ 5 snacks show up. about 10 minutes later, after i figure the 3 gals willing to sit with a foreigner we're pulled into my room.

two of the three gals were darker skinned, and 6-7/10. the last, fairer skin, was 8/10, but kept herself pushed into the corner and didn't feel right to me. though i knew i could've asked for another selection, i really didn't care, i just wanted to sing, drink, and have a 2 ladies attend me. so i took the outriggers. 7/10 spoke some english and might have survival level with a little more effort. the 6/10 gal, was minimal, but smiling for real.

anyways, speeding up, leap gets our song orders, keeps our beer initially topped up, and then my pretties and i sing. soon, i realize, these gals can drink and are probably pros. i just to keep to a comfortable pace and enjoy the gals each slowly getting closer to me and roaming hands. nothing overtly sexual at all. after an hour, i could care less if i got laid, i was having fun and doing something different.

going into the second hour, the gals were feeding me, wrapping my arms around them, kissing my cheek, sometimes kissing me on the lips, pulling / poking / massaging my nose, hair, chest, various body parts.

i did no groping. just sang, drank, and hugged these pretty ladies to my sides when possible. sometimes getting the 2 wrapped with me during love songs. fun, but requires body coordination. blah, blah, blah, nearing hour 3, we've gotten up and danced and then then started slowing down.

seems that leap felt things were just past the peak and started wrapping things up. the ktv bills was $ 35; $ 3 / hour room, $ 3 / abc beer since less than case, $ 5 / snack. 10, 000 riel tip to each gal and leap. no mention of anything further was mentioned other than come and see us again soon. so $ 42. 50 damage for nearly 3 hours of good fun.

i had hoped 7/10 would ask to come with me, but nothing came of it. in reflection. 7/10 was playing her role, but nothing real behind it. it probably would've been only slightly better than a starfish.

while waiting for the elevator to come. 6/10 also came to go go downstairs, despite the language barrier, i asked about going upstairs. she mentioned a few things, but i didn't pressure or anything, just lead the way and figured she'd follow or not. we got to my room, sat on the bed, chatted, kissed full on a little, but she discussed going home to sleep and i requested she stay. she wasn't keen on it, but no pressure.

after i went to use the restroom and came back, she was passed out on my bed. guess she wasn't as much of heavyweight as i thought. anyways, not wanting to disturb her, i worked for a bit and then since we was on top of the covers and i finally wanted sleep, i rolled her around a tad so i could get her under the covers and then myself.

weirdly, she woke up for a moment, kissed me full on, pulled up the covers and went back to sleep. well, if nothing else, she was cute and it's pleasure to have a young thing in my bed even if nothing came of it.

a few hours later, she woke to use the restroom for the beer train. on her return she kissed me full on again, cuddled right up to me, and then feel promptly asleep.

eventually 6 am rolls around and i caress her a tad since i'm awake and don't feel like working. she curls up more next to me and i close my eyes. soon, i feeling frisky so i caress again and this slowly leads to one of the most enjoyable gfe i've ever had. too bad, right at 7 am her roomie calls.

after her call, we joked a bit, then got cleaned up. i ate breakfast, she declined and slept on. i'd join her in bed off and on till 10 am, when i finally had to close off our time and head to the airport via a $ 7 tuktuk.

she gave no mention of money other than concern that the 10, 000 riel tips had been given to her friends since it took a while to get the money boy to return the night before. because of the past nights' experience, i sensed that this was more of gal actually liking me and us having chemistry than a bought time deal. therefore, i didn't ask her how much and just gave her a variety of change that added up to $ 10. she looked at me funny when i gave her the money and set it aside. i then used google to translate my appreciation for such a wonderful time. she then smiled more cheerfully before kissing me further.

in the end, we walked out comfortably together and i've left cambodia a sadder knowing there's some real good people doing a thankless job because a lack of means, means lack of opportunities. she's something special to me.

also. 7/10 was a good singer, but fmomg. 6/10 had singing passion that made me sad the ktv time ended at 3 hours. i could've listened to her for the night.

most importantly, this adventure reminded me about forgetting the destination and getting more into the journey. there's a real difference between buying a woman's time and her giving it willing.lovely report. i always smile when i read of those unexpected moments, that make you realise theres much more than just the same old. we just need to be reminded of it sometimes.

[The Wookie]

I was back in Phnom Penh this past couple of weeks working, eating, and being a Martini Pub man a few nights.

S out, what I thought was a Chinese KTV hotel, was a Khmai place. At first, I was daunted to learn this during my 1 PM check-in. However, I'd already paid online for the hotel and figured I could always walk the 8 minutes to Martini Pub as a backup.

Most importantly, this adventure reminded me about forgetting the destination and getting more into the journey. There's a real difference between buying a woman's time and her giving it willing.Great story. So where exactly is this place located? It sounds nice. And how much to stay there?

[John Traveller]

As usual I stayed at Hotel Golden House in PP. Recommended. Rooms from 30$. Centrally located on street 136 near riverfront. Gf-friendly (the receptionist asked my girl to hand in her cellphone, never experienced this other places before). Helpful staff (also with hotel bookings in other towns) , nice rooms (but some without windows). Good inclusive breakfast before 10 am. Good wifi. Note that this hotel has all kinds of guests, but that has never given me any issues. For meals I found Nordic house across the street an economical option, contrary to the expensive tourist restaurant along the waterfront.

[Gone Around]

In PP it makes a lot of sense : I got a very nice girl-UNfriendly hotel for myself & just a nice yet cheap room at hotel opposite Bar 69 at 136 St for nocturnal activity on a nightly basis. I asked the wl's to give their I'd cards (and did NOT give mine) for booking the room (while I paid for it) each night and left late at night to go back to my own hotel while the wl's slept over & enjoyed the room in the cheaper hotelThat's an interesting idea and not bad either. Have the gal book the room, you pay, then you leave when done. She keeps it or not by her choice.

Slick! Thanks for the idea. I can imagine how'd this work well for me at times. Haha, in morning, come back and knock on door for more.

[Gone Around]

Great story. So where exactly is this place located? It sounds nice. And how much to stay there?Thank you for the compliments despite spelling and grammar issues.

Price mentioned near top of story.

Chea Rithy Heng Hotel & KTV.

Building 10-12, Street 135.

Toul Tompung, Chamcarmon.

Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

440.

Mao Tse Toung Blvd & Street 135 (near Tuol Tom Pong Market)

http://goo.gl/maps/yLme3

[FreebieFan]

That's an interesting idea and not bad either. Have the gal book the room, you pay, then you leave when done. She keeps it or not by her choice.

Slick! Thanks for the idea. I can imagine how'd this work well for me at times. Haha, in morning, come back and knock on door for more.Reminds me of a crazy trip I had once in Jakarta. Was staying in Le Meridien. I had one girl in the room who basically wouldn't leave. I was fine with that arrangement, as she was hot. BUT. I had arranged a meeting with another lady who I was hoping was also going to be hot.

As part of my preparation, I booked another room in same hotel, messed up the room a bit so it had the "used " look, and invited number 2 there.

All was good. Altho had to make 101 excuses as to why she couldn't visit me there again. The things we mongers do. LOL

[The Wookie]

Thank you for the compliments despite spelling and grammar issues.

Price mentioned near top of story.

Chea Rithy Heng Hotel & KTV.

Building 10-12, Street 135.

Toul Tompung, Chamcarmon.

Phnom Penh, Cambodia.

440.

Mao Tse Toung Blvd & Street 135 (near Tuol Tom Pong Market)

http://goo.gl/maps/yLme3Wow great info, thank you very much.

Was there an inroom safe?

[Gone Around]

Wow great info, thank you very much.

Was there an inroom safe?You're welcome and I hope your trip goes well.

I don't recall there being an in-room safe. In fact most of the sub-$25 places I've stayed at in SEA don't have one.

You can usually drop stuff at the front-desk though. It's continuously manned.

Though I admit to not traveling with stuff that can't be replaced.

[Johnny Rocket]

Hey guys, long time contributor on the HK board. I'll probably be in PP at some point this autumn. Couple questions.

From RTFF it looks like most girls take USD. Do other places like restaurants and shops also take USD?

Is Nagaworld Casino nice, safe, honest? I mean the games not the girls. :-D.

Is PP safe, especially at night? Can you drink the tap water? I speak English and Chinese, will either one get me anywhere in PP?

Is internet fast and reliable?

Thanks, hope I can return the favor if any of you heads to HK.

[AskeAske]

Hey guys, long time contributor on the HK board. I'll probably be in PP at some point this autumn. Couple questions.

From RTFF it looks like most girls take USD. Do other places like restaurants and shops also take USD?

Is Nagaworld Casino nice, safe, honest? I mean the games not the girls. :-D.

Is PP safe, especially at night? Can you drink the tap water? I speak English and Chinese, will either one get me anywhere in PP?

Is internet fast and reliable?

Thanks, hope I can return the favor if any of you heads to HK.You can use USD all over Cambodia. Riel is just for change. PP is safe, if your are a little streetvise. Drink the tap water? Why? Buy bottled water. It is very cheap.

Internet. It depends. I lived in Calaifornia2 hotel and bar. Internet was very good.

Write a report, please.

[Darwinian]

Most of the $25 hotels I have used have safety boxes in the rooms.

Nowadays I usually stay at Flamingos Hotel on Street 172.

[Rick Rock]

Hey guys, long time contributor on the HK board. I'll probably be in PP at some point this autumn. Couple questions.

From RTFF it looks like most girls take USD. Do other places like restaurants and shops also take USD?

Is Nagaworld Casino nice, safe, honest? I mean the games not the girls. :-D.

Is PP safe, especially at night? Can you drink the tap water? I speak English and Chinese, will either one get me anywhere in PP?

Is internet fast and reliable?

Thanks, hope I can return the favor if any of you heads to HK.Everyone in Cambodia takes USD. Some places ONLY take it. The local currency (Riel) can also be used but it's only really for change and making up fractions of dollars (USD coins are not accepted). It would be tough to pay for anything substantial with Riel since the biggest bills in circulation are the equivalent of $5 USD (and even those are rare).

Nagaworld Casino is okay. Nothing compared to what you have in Macau though. Be sure to check out the Darlin Darlin lounge in Nagaworld. I'm sure you'll love it. Everything seems to be on the up-and-up on the game front, but as far as I know the casinos in Cambodia are not regulated like those in the US and Europe. You may get ripped off (though since the odds on every game in every casino in the world assure the house will always come out a winner, I don't know why they would need to rip you off. Except maybe the dealers and cashiers who make $100 a month).

I wouldn't call PP safe. It's one of the poorest major cities in the world. At night most roads are pretty dark and devoid of police (not that they'd help you anyway). But it's all relative. I never had a single problem, but plenty of others have. Most common issues are pick pocketing, bag theft and fights. Use your common sense and you should be okay. Armed robbery happens, but not as much as in say Manila. Supposedly you can drink the water in Phnom Penh proper, but I wouldn't try it. The locals don't drink it so I see no need to. A big bottle of water is $0. 25.

English is the widest spoken language after Khmer. Many people can speak at least a little bit, especially the ones you will come in contact with and taxi, tuk tuk and motodop drivers. You'll be fine with it for a holiday. A few people speak Chinese (Mandarin, never heard any Cantonese) , but it's not widely known. There are plenty of Chinese owned businesses if you want to search them out.

The internet is good enough to do almost anything but no, it's not fast or reliable. I had a cable connection installed that was the fastest I could find and I had to pay a hefty $90 a month. What's worse? It was slow as hell when connecting to servers outside of Southeast Asia (which most servers are) and it went out at least once a week. Wifi is widely available though and it's good enough for checking email, browsing sites, etc.

Hope this helps. I go to HK a lot. Please PM me with tips on the best action to be found. I only really know the walk ups, a few spas, and the Filipina domestic workers.

[Tiger 888]

...the internet is good enough to do almost anything but no, it's not fast or reliable...
it was slow as hell when connecting to servers outside of southeast asia (which most servers are) and it went out at least once a week...we could accelerate the intercontinental speed from china through an astrill vpn server in hong kong by the factor 10. so if you get good speed to servers in hong kong that would be the way.

[DanG00]

So I made it to PP the other day and after realizing it was hopeless to barter at the airport I caught a tuktuk to town. I saw walkabout on the net and figured it didn't look to bad. It wasn't terrible but by no means good. I showed up and immediately after checkin in went down for a drink and to see the FL scene. One girl caught my eye and as we began to chat I asked how much. She said $30 I said $10, she counters with $20 and I hold at $10. With a laugh she says yeah $10 and I'm like well let's go. The bed upstairs gets a workout. She was 7-8 and alright in bed. Not full GFE but close enough. If more time I'm sure experience improves. Afterwards as I'm paying out what I thought was a deal turns out she joked at $10. After some puppy eyes and frowns I move to $15 and part ways. Based on board that seems in the band of acceptable.

Later I take a girl from 110th street at $50 for LT. Worth the 5-10 extra since was great GFE and got in three rounds plus some excellent fun in getting there.

Yesterday I moved to Safari hotel that is a short 30 second walk from Cycee. Had to sample and took two for ST at $20 each. Both 8-9/10 and while they were limited in their play with each other I enjoyed the experience. Don't think I'll do it again since as others have said. It's twice the amount and the girls get the better at half the work. All smiles though and later went to Pontoon. Chatted with a very cute lady but wasn't too into idea of taking her back. Plus, her opening bid of $50 was laughable. Still was fun to negotiate a bit and I liked not having to worry about stuff going missing.

Today, more touring but my dogs are beat and thinking I may try a massage before I head to SR on early morning minibus. May check out 136 later but haven't settled on that yet. It is very possible to your during the day and your at night. Seen most of the standard haunts by now and was very impressed by the physical appearance of HOD and Pontoon.

More to follow.

[Lala33]

I am staying in the Riverside area of PP. Just wonder if there is a place here that is similar to the Chinese sauna's. I don't like going to the bars here and drinking. I just like to go to a place and view a lineup. Then take one to the hotel or use a room there.

Do they have these here? Would someone be able to give a name and location? Thanks very much.

[Rick Rock]

So I made it to PP the other day and after realizing it was hopeless to barter at the airport I caught a tuktuk to town.It's absolutely possible, both with taxis and tuk tuks. I'm curious to know what they charged you for the trip now.

[Rick Rock]

we could accelerate the intercontinental speed from china through an astrill vpn server in hong kong by the factor 10. so if you get good speed to servers in hong kong that would be the way.thanks for the tip my friend, but i'm no longer there.

[Rick Rock]

I am staying in the Riverside area of PP. Just wonder if there is a place here that is similar to the Chinese sauna's. I don't like going to the bars here and drinking. I just like to go to a place and view a lineup. Then take one to the hotel or use a room there.

Do they have these here? Would someone be able to give a name and location? Thanks very much.They are increasingly rare. A few were shut down recently.

Yang Mey #28 Street 252 (between 63 and 93 / Monivong) : 10 to house 20-50 to girl. Decent line up, Vietnamese and Cambodians.

Golden Soul Hotel, at the end of Samdach after you cross over Norodom: Another fishbowl. Saw the line up and walked out. Not bad but just didn't get the vibe I wanted. Seems to be more oriented to Asian guys.

Paris Hotel was the best one I knew but the fishbowl has reportedly been eliminated.

[Johnny Rocket]

we could accelerate the intercontinental speed from china through an astrill vpn server in hong kong by the factor 10. so if you get good speed to servers in hong kong that would be the way.i only half understand what you're saying, but is this something i could do while there? how much would it cost?

i am talking about realtime skype video conferencing type stuff, i will need to do that. my trip, if i come, would be for business.

[Titanio]

It's absolutely possible, both with taxis and tuk tuks. I'm curious to know what they charged you for the trip now.Tuk tuk is 7 dollars, and when you start laughing, they show you a printed piece of paper showing the amount. They will not come down, even if you say that you can get one outside the airport parking lot of 3-4 dollar. Walk 100 meters from arrivals to the main road and you will see it. All those tuk tuk beggars waiting outside the gates want to charge you 5 dollar. Just wait until you a nice tuk tuk on the way home, and if you stop him, no more than 3-4 dollar.

[Tiger 888]

i only half understand what you're saying, but is this something i could do while there? how much would it cost?

i am talking about realtime skype video conferencing type stuff, i will need to do that. my trip, if i come, would be for business.real time is probably a bit delayed because of the longer way (ping response times) , but speed should improve. go to www.astrill.com and see what they have. prices are between 15$ for a single month and 70$ for a year. you can download their software which is the easiest. you don't need it too complicated as i believe cambodia does not obstruct vpns like china.

i haven't searched, but i believe if you contact their support they give you a trial time. they are extremely responsive and helpful.