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Banana Boi
12-29-20, 05:22
Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?

Sam Sanuk
12-29-20, 11:55
Has anyone returned to PP via PHN since the new Immigration rules were put in place? My main questions surround self isolation and the 2 k USD deposit.

I understand that if you test negative you go in to self isolation. If I stayed in a hotel on Street 136 would they know if I snuck out of my room for food or to a bar across the street for 5 minutes to grab a girl or have one of my girls come to my room? How am I being tracked in self isolation?

Anyone hear of any stories where guys have had issues recovering their 2 k when they leave Cambodia?For BB and others I highly recommend visiting this facebook group. https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789 The administrators / mods are quite up to date on the rules / regs pertaining to entering the country at this time; who is and is not allowed; quarantine situation. Many members of the group have shared their experience in navigating this clusterfuck.

To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.

Banana Boi
12-30-20, 02:38
To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".

Philosophus
01-04-21, 21:05
Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.

SouthEaster
01-05-21, 00:28
I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that.

Sam Sanuk
01-05-21, 06:57
I sure as hell hope your intel is right. It would work out well for me as I am so far down the priority list in my country there is little chance I can get a jab before that."Intel" and unnamed sources never mean much to me. That said, as I'll be 79 this summer, this might be one of the few advantages I have over those lower down on the totem pole. (The others might be disposable income and experience.) So it could be that I'll be giving jabs to the damsels before you. Don't fret, we've all experienced "sloppy seconds". LOL.

SS.

Nyezhov
01-08-21, 02:10
Covid is for real. Stop hallucinating, fellas. Government control nonsense talk is awful. Vaccine is coming. 2nd half of 2021 at the latest visa on arrival will be available for those with proof of vaccination from credible countries. Such says my intel. Situation for the girls who frequented the bars is dire. Everbody has enough to eat, but the easy tickling exciting slow motion night life has gone, and so has the income. Remittals to family in province dries up. Everybody worse off. Yet many to few are using the time productively to collect the trash, remodel, learn English etc. Cambodia is in a funk.I agree wholeheartedly. Siem Reap is a construction zone now and that was direly needed. Folks are anticipating a reopening, tightening belts and doing what they can. But it isn't a lot of fun.

Dion Cassius
01-08-21, 03:06
To the point, Street 136 hotels have not been identified as those housing arriving pax; in fact, you don't get a choice. You are assigned a bus with other pax and it take you to your hotel where you are quarantined for 14 days.

SS.I live in PNH and I confirm that you are assigned a hotel for a 14 days quarantine. Don't count on having a hotel on street 136 and sneak out to the bars.

Dion Cassius
01-08-21, 03:08
Any action in PP right now?Bars are open, but not many customers. Which suits me just fine 😇.

Rick Rock
01-25-21, 02:22
OK this differs from what I read on World Nomad, last updated on Dec. 24. They say you self isolate at their own accommodation if you test negative. "Anyone who tests positive upon arrival will be quarantined for 14 days at designated facilities. Travelers who test negative must self-isolate at their own accommodation. ".Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.

Sam Sanuk
01-29-21, 15:15
Nope. You have to quarantine in a Chinese hotel selected by the powers that be. Terrible food. Just flew in 3 weeks ago. Needed a clean test and $2000 cash deposit. That's all.Hey Rick,

I don't need to know what type of visa you were admitted into the country; but since tourist visas aren't being made available to anybody at this time, I would just point this out to those who might be salivating over the idea that they can walk or fly across the border as usual.

SS.

PinkPearl
02-14-21, 10:32
I didint try bar girls at phnom penh because it not worth spend money on lady drinks, negotiate prices, get many refuses till find right girl for a right price.Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.

Gilolo
08-26-21, 13:58
Why not just walk up to any lady you fancy standing or sitting outside the entrance to their bars, such as those yelling "Hello" to men walking by, and ask her what the bar fine cost is and will she go with you to your hotel? Ditto for those inside, if you want to check that out.

If she says yes, then pay the bar fine & any extra required for drinks & be on your merry way together with her to your room. Why beat around the Bush & waste both your time, and hers, and your money, with idle chit chat with many ladies who may not even be willing to go with you?

Furthermore, by the way, on YouTube videos you can see ladies on the streets where many bars are, who don't appear to be employed by any bar, trying to get customers. There's no need to buy them any drinks or even pay a bar fine. And no question that these ladies will not refuse you due to not being available. Assuming those I saw were ladies and not ladyboys, LOL.Now when I go PP, I stay usually in hotel in street 136 or in Nagaworld hotel little bit outside. I use a lot Facebook to find some sexy working girls in PP. Many times when I take breakfast in hotel in morning, I can see many sexy working girls with their Chinese customer and then very discreetly I choose the girl I want for the next night. Sometimes I just spend lot of time in breakfast and when I found the girl I want, very discreetly I try to smile to the lady and when she's alone or when she leave the customer after the breakfast, I go meet her very quickly and ask her phone number to fuck her in the afternoon or the evening and it works all the time.

When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.

Member #4729
08-31-21, 01:01
When the girl stay all the time with her customer, because some Korean or Chinese men are very careful and very jealous, I ask the waitress in the hotel, or I go directly to the reception and I tip them 5 dollars and ask them to speak in Khmer with the girl if she s ok to meet me later. Each time, the customer with the girl understand nothing and most of the time, the girl say yes to meet me and give her Line or Whasapp to the Khmer girl and then I get the number and I call the girl 1 hour after. It works very well!

And last time I was in Sun and Moon hotel in street 136, I was in the same lift of a customer with very nice sexy teen 19 years old. When the lift opened on the reception, the guy go directly to the breakfast and the girl go outside the hotel to take a tuk tuk? I ran to the tuk tuk and asked her Line. And the same day in the afternoon at 3 pm she was back in my hotel room and I fucked her bareback for 50 dollars.

And yes I go some bars too in the evening but usually girls accept fuck with me. When I enter the bar, usually when I find the girl I want, I go directly to her, I smile to her and I love to catch her ass and then I pay 1 drink only. During the time we take the drink, I love touch the girl, kiss the girl even if sometimes she doesn't want to do. And after 15 min I pay the 10 dollars barfine and I go fuck her bareback always. In Cambodia, same as in Thailand girls accept BBFS easily. In the bars I pay the girl between 50 to 80 dollars for all the night. Sometimes I just take the girl for short time. And sometimes I keep the girl all the night. Usually the girl likes to sleep the morning because I wake up early to take the breakfast and the girl prefers sleep.

When I sleep all night with girl, usually it s because she s very hot and sexy, then each time in morning, when I wake up and wake up her but usually she likes sleep but I always fuck her in missionary quickly in the morning when she still sleep and I come inside her pussy. Girls like the morning fuck and sleep in same time.I love everything about this post from the sneaky like a fox mongering technique to the not quite grammatically correct English, to the wonderful rapturous thought of banging tight and ready Cambodian SW's for $50 and ejaculating directly into their tiny little pussies. Bravo to you good man and thank you for painting such a beautiful image- it will truly be a glorious thing to return to this world.

Banana Boi
10-22-21, 05:02
Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.

Sam Sanuk
10-22-21, 23:57
Is anyone actually in PP now? If so, are the bars open? What percentage of total number of girls are still present between Streets 104 and 136?

Looking for a possible alternative place to hobby before more bars reopen in Bangkok and Pattaya after December 1.BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars—Girly Bars" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.

Dragonfly22
11-14-21, 04:30
I'm in PP now. Bars are open on most streets. Prices for girls are lower now due to low amount of mongers available. A buyers market. Seems the girls are coming back from the villages. Phuket was a bust. Over priced drinks an $ girls. Lady drinks were $10 on Bangladesh Road.


BB,

First, let me say it's good to see that you're still pumpin' air. LOL.

Sadly, Cambo is not an alternative to Thailand at this time. Both countries are seemingly proceeding to cautiously open to tourists / mongers in the not-too-distant future. As to how "distant", it's anybody's guess. Both countries still throw up disincentives including quarantines, insurance requirements, curfews, blah, blah, blah.

There are two facebook groups to which I belong and which I highly recommend, as they contain "real time" info posted by members who are "in country". Those groups are "Phnom Penh Hostess BarsGirly Bars" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/1062695980532551) and "Cambodia Visa and Work Permit Group" (https://www.facebook.com/groups/333901840112789).

Bottom line is that both Thailand and Cambo seem to have some bars operating "under the radar", but with lower quality of service provider options than to what we have been accustomed. I'm planning on my next trip to take place in March-April 2022 (with fingers crossed).

SS.

Dragonfly22
11-14-21, 04:37
Can't find a Cambo girl that can give a decent BBBJ in Phnom Penh. Wish they carried around report cards with previous reviews for references!

AussieGuy100
11-22-21, 06:35
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.

Reiner Otto
11-22-21, 10:21
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. Sounds good.

However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.

Johnie
11-22-21, 11:50
I can confirm that 90% of the girly bars are open in Phnom Penh. The official full open date is 1st December but most of the bars are open already. Plenty of girls around, with more arriving daily from their provinces. ST and LT prices ver negotiable with the girls keen to meet guys. Streets 130 and 136 still have the highest concentration of bars, with streets 104,110, 118 and 5 also having some open bars. Drinks prices are reasonable. Draft beer $1. 50, spirits $3. 75, ladydrinks $3. 50-$4.Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.

Sam Sanuk
11-22-21, 20:40
Hi Ausie, my fellow countryman. Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc.

Thanks, Johnie.I'm not an Aussie, but maybe this will help.

Banana Boi
11-22-21, 21:15
Could you please let me know what are the requirements for Mongers to land in PP from Thailand? I read previously that a $US deposit was required. Is this still the case and if so how much and how is this managed? Any other requirements, tests quarantine etc..


However, to enter Cambodia, special health insurance required, I heared. And, when going back to TH, 1 day quaratine, required, at least, plus Thai Pas.For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06.

EVisa https://www.evisa.gov.kh/.

Banana Boi
11-22-21, 21:18
Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.

Johnie
11-23-21, 03:48
For fully vaccinated to enter Cambodia, evisa done online for $36 US. Negative PCR test 72 hours before flight. Antigen test upon arrival. The $2000 US deposit is gone. Medical insurance is recommended but not mandatory. ZERO quarantine!

Yes, when you re-enter Thailand you go through the entire Thailand Pass routine again including 1 day at an AQ hotel, RT-PCR test etc.

Sam Sanuk posted 2 helpful Facebook groups a few posts down.

Keep up yo date on the newest releases. Likely to change as this is new. https://www.mfaic.gov.kh/posts/2021-11-17-Covid-19-Reference-THE-NEW-TRAVEL-CONDITIONS-AND-THE-IMPLEMENTATION-OF-HEALTH-AND-TOURISM-SAFETY-MEASURES-FOR-TRAVELLER-19-15-06.

EVisa https://www.evisa.gov.kh/.Sam and BB, thank you so much for the advice. It's the news I have been waiting for. On my way to PP in March to pick up where I left off just before COVID. Any recommendations for a hotel hear Soya Mall? I previously stayed at Walabout and Flamingo in the day and a not so good Chinese hotel opposite and at the end of the mall more recently.

Yours in mongering, Johnie.

AussieGuy100
12-06-21, 03:46
Dragonfly, AussieGuy, Sam, and others, please post some reviews. We are all living vicariously through you guys until we get to PP. Thank you.Here in Phnom Penh the bars have all been officially open for a week now without any issues. That's after 627 days of officially being closed, though many bars stayed open quietly, speakeasy style, for much of that time.

It's great to see all the lights on again.

Now there are loads of girls around the bars all eager for customers!

Prices seem to be $30-50ST, $40-60 LT. There are both regular girls and a noticeable number of new girls, so plenty to choose from. Hostess bar customer drink prices same as pre-covid - $1. 50 draft beer, $3. 50-4 spirits, ladydrinks $3. 75-$4, LD shots $5-$6.

With no quarantine required for vaccinated visitors, and just a rapid test at the airport, we are already seeing an influx of people here. Many are guys who haven't seen their Cambodian girlfriends for two years.

So if you want a quick easy trip to enjoy about 150 girly bars, come and visit Phnom Penh while you're waiting for your area to re-open.

Pv118
01-01-22, 13:16
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.

IHeartIpa
01-01-22, 16:34
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.From what I remembered of my previous Cambodia trips everything is negotiable. You were clearly a new tourist and so she aimed high. I'm sure she would've taken $40 and been happy.

Banana Boi
01-02-22, 02:25
$70 is the usual starting point for LT, $50 for ST. My highest was $100 LT at Air Force bar on 104. Girl wouldn't budge. She knew she was the hottest girl available in the RLD that night. Had to let her know what I thought of her and the mamasan too. Really unfortunate cause she was easily one of the top 5 girls I ever saw in the RLD. Not that $100 meant a difference in my pocketbook rather I felt like they thought I was a chump. Can't be weak with PP girls. It's a buyer's market there.

Muzungufotsy
01-02-22, 14:30
Went to the bar to the right of Baccarrat (since it is closed right now, 6:30 PM Sunday). Bought a (mediocre looking) girl a lady drink, and eventually asked ST price. She said how much you give me? I respond I don't like when people ask that (and always a bad sign of bad service and rip off whether it is a hooker or taxi cab driver). She then said $70. A little shocked, I asked for her to clarify, and she types in my phone $70.

I pay and walk out without looking at her. If I wanted to pay $70 (I didn't even ask about bar fine), I would have stayed in Tijuana.Exactly. Nicely done. If more guys act like you she wouldn't ask this stupid amount.

Pv118
01-03-22, 10:04
When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

So before any other mongers try to convince you to go to Cambodia even though there are a lot of ladies and bars open and very few foreigners, I just wanted to share with you the lousiness of my first few days experience. Theoretically, it should be a buyer's market, but so far the women have been more annoying and greedy than the tuk tuk drivers. I think the ones who are getting the fair deals are the expats who lived here for a while and people already accept (as an analogy, the tuk tuk's ask for $5 but the locals pay 5000 Cambodian realis which is the real price on Grabcar). Maybe I need a expat wingman who lives here to avoid scams and cheats?

Sam Sanuk
01-03-22, 17:50
When I was here four years ago, I had an incredible few days. BBFS with 4 girls LT, including BBFS anal, all for a cheap price, a lot of fun. I don't even think I bought any lady drinks. Just went with the girls from the bars.

But in the first four days of my one month stay here in Phnom Penh, it has been constant swings and misses. 5 girls, 5 lady drinks, and so far, 2 of them have told me they are on their period, 3 of them quoted $70 for ST. From the previous poster's perspective, I absolutely agree all these girls were just taking me for a chump with the usual "where you from, how long you stay, blah blah blah. " The fifth girl from Dream Girls Bar, one of the ones who quoted me $70, when I refused, did jump down to $50. I already took a viagra and decided to go with it.

It was one of the worst sex I had in my life. It was beyond terrible. When we entered my hotel room, I tried to kiss her, and she immediately turned her head to block it. Then, she tried to sell me a condom for $5. I said let's just go downstairs to get one, but she was adamant to try to make a few bucks off me. Luckily, I had a spare condom in my backpack. She kept complaining that I cheated her of $20. She did not allow any french kissing, on the bed, she turned her back to me and gave me a handjob backwards, no BJ at all, and only allowed on top, and she didn't move at all. Me, being very pissed, I did fuck her very hard for a while, and when I flipped her on top, she replies she is tired. She pulls herself off me and just complains more. I get very annoyed and turned off, and she sees that and says, "I'm horny why you no horny, you drink too much beer?" This was the last straw. I've never done this before, I always avoid losing my cool, and please do not pass judgement as I've been mongering for years across the world (recently I wrote on the Rio Janeiro Forum a list of 100 women I've had sex with).

I told her to get the f**k out, that she was the worse sex I have ever had, that this sex was worth 0 dollars. I threw her bag outside the door, and she rushed out. Honestly, one of the worst upsell sex I ever had in the world, and just as I said to her, she should not be in this business.

I'm guessing that all of us who have been partaking in the "hobby" for any length of time have experienced similar. Over the 50 years I've been going to Asia, I've had maybe 3 similar experiences. And reacted in each case the same as you did: kicked them out the door. LOL Yeah, lost a barfine or two in the process, but no reason to throw good money after bad. If one knows how much he is willing to pay, just stick to your guns. Knowing the "going rate" is all you need to know when it comes to "gifting". The rest is just luck of the draw. Look at it this way: things can only improve; no need for a wingman.

SS.

Buhuiba
01-05-22, 08:27
Partly in response to Pv118:

This is my third visit to Cambodia. I've been here three weeks now.

I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:

-When I first arrived for this trip, I bought lady drinks for a couple of young, super hot girls. They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it true? I don't know. But I can believe it. The Asian countries are mostly locked down tight. Anyone visiting from one of those countries right now is probably not a regular tourist but rather is here on a government or business visa, and maybe doesn't care much about how much they spend.

-In any case, I usually avoid the young, super hot girls. Besides thinking they have pussies made of gold (and more power to them if they can get $150 for ST! It's just that I'm not going to be a customer), in my experience they're almost always bad at sex.

-But I have been able to find decent LT girls for $40. You just have to hunt around. Good thing that I love hunting around!

-The girls I prefer are the ones who are pretty fresh in from the countryside, not the hardened pros. The downside is that these girls often are bad in bed, no BJ, and they just lay there waiting for you to get it over with. But not always! I've found a few real gems. These are girls whose faces are 7's rather than 10's, but their bodies. More important to me than faces. Are 10's, and who are eager to serve their man, and they love sex.

-For instance, I found a girl several days ago, she's 23, has a very hot body, she seems eager to please me in every way, it's easy to make her come ("you don't come yet? I come already 3 times! And she loves sex. Last night we went at it for an hour, then she gave me a massage for 30 minutes, then I ask, "Sleep now?" and she says, "No, more boom. " Incredible. She gives one of the best BJs I've ever had. And she's pretty new to the game (she is amazed that my hotel has hot water.) When I asked how much she wanted she says those lovely words, "up to you. " I've been giving her $60 a night for LT and basically 8 hours of constant (really good) sex, interspersed with the occasional massage. This is the jackpot I'm always looking for, I'm here for a few more weeks and I'm probably not going to switch away from this girl.

-But this is not unique. I found a girl like this the first time I was in Phnom Penh, and then another one like this the first time I went to Sihanoukville, and then two like this the last time I was here (two years ago.) This is why.

I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).

-I'm not saying every girl in Cambodia is like that. But they are here.

-Here are some of the strategies I use: first, as I said, I tend to stay away from the young, cute girls. Let the rich Chinese / Japanese / Korean businessman have those. They're probably terrible in bed anyway. I go for girls who aren't necessarily beautiful in the face, though they have awesome bodies.

-I like to pursue the older girls. You can find ladies in their early 30's who have hot bodies, they know they can't compete with the 22 year olds so they charge much less, but they certainly know what they are doing in the bedroom. They know what you want and they know how to give it to you.

-It seems like most of the larger bars on 130 and 136 are playing rap music. I go for the less frequented bars, and if I can find one where they are playing traditional Khmer music I know I'm on the right track.

-It's difficult but still possible to find a girl who doesn't have a smart phone. If I find a girl who is not leashed to a smartphone, that gets my attention. If you walk by a bar, and the girl out front keeps staring at her smartphone. Keep on walking.

-It seems like lots of Cambodian girls don't want to kiss. If you can find one who wants to kiss you in the bar. She's probably going to be a lot of fun when you get home. Probably not a starfish.

-I don't mind buying lady drinks. They're pretty cheap by my drinking standards back home, and you can learn a lot about the girl before making the commitment of a barfine. If the vibe doesn't feel good after a lady drink, I walk away.

Perennial
01-10-22, 23:20
Partly in response to Pv118:
I love this place. But it can be frustrating. Here are some of my observations:
I love Cambodia! (I love the Philippines for the same reason.).
.Nice report, Buhuiba. Most important is to stay active and focussed on making things happen, cut on drink & porn and go out into the warm Phnom Penh nights. Take what the city offers. For me the better part of the experience is to be nude with a young, pretty and pristine girl. Petite, young and slim, small breast, small feet, natural and cute is more important than a Cindy Crawford face. Sometimes it is worthwhile to take a tuk tuk and scan brothels outside the river cluster, where Westerners hang out. KTV outside the river zone can also be a hive of gems. Many girls are so dirt poor, but can make a monthly sales staff salary by going with 2 customers a month. Kissing is rare, but that may also be a Covid effect. BBBJ is the norm, BBFS can be had by asking, by not asking or by ramming the condom into pieces inside the bird's little womb. It is true that some young pretties are passive, but they do reciprcate and enjoy being treated tenderly. All of my Khmer girls came. One of them, a tiny 19 yo sneaker factory worker, would not kiss, but would let me penetrate her little anus and accept a facial into her hardened but cute and smiling Khmer face. I easily forego the service of a 30 yo if I can finish in a pretty 19 yo's face.

Rick Rock
01-16-22, 18:53
They both told me that Chinese / Japanese / Koreans are paying $150 for ST. Is it trueYes.

And the locals who own all of those Lexus, Mercedes, BMW, Rolls Royce, and Ashton Martins you see around town are paying even more. Visit a KTV with one sometime and you will learn a lot.

Finally, this was the case long before COVID.

Kommissar1231
02-11-22, 16:36
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?

JohnnyO
02-13-22, 04:19
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.

IHeartIpa
02-13-22, 05:41
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.I'd suggest moving. At the very least talk to your buildings security. Tip them and tell them you don't want her around. If you don't have security then you should move anyways.

RacShack
02-13-22, 08:08
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.No body can actually answer this until we know the full story of what you did, will be hard not knowing all the facts, good luck, very bad spot to be in!

Johnie
02-13-22, 10:49
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.

AskeAske
02-13-22, 18:41
Got my E visa within 7 days and no proof of a return flight out of Cambodia required.

Johnie.

Remember to check with your Airline. Some time they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid easy to buy a cheap busticket to Ho chi Minh online.

Axel Heyst
02-13-22, 19:01
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.From what little you have given us I would simply advise changing hotels and hanging out in different bars than your usual haunts. That should take care of things unless there is more to the story than you have told us. Uhm. So if things have become untenable you can always get out of Phnom for a few days or even skip the country and go to Thailand.

SouthEaster
02-13-22, 20:23
Going to another cop shop will achieve nothing. They know fuck all about what is going on and they won't care. If it is very recent, say a day or 2 you could drop by the original cop shop with a case of beer as "thanks" for their trouble. Big smile, shake a few hands and at least if push comes to shove you have a slightly better chance. If you don't know already money talks in Cambodia and if you want a "report" (hooker bothering me, don't know if I'd want one) you will have to pay for it. 50 bucks should do the trick. She probably has no pull whatsoever and you are worried over nothing but simply switching accommodation as mentioned previously should fix it and is probably cheaper!

Johnie
02-14-22, 12:27
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.A similar thing happened to me. A middle aged SW of Vietnamese origin appeared quite friendly and latched onto me about 2 or 3 years ago in PP. She followed me on a shopping expedition and was quite helpful so I invited her to lunch. After lunch, naturally we went back to my hotel for a shower and some fun. After the deed I gave her $5 but she would not take it, created a scene so I threw her out of the room. Created such a commotion in the corridor that the manager came and removed her. Later next day she saw me at Golden Sorya and made a nuisance of herself, so much that I left and walked away. She closely followed me in every direction until I got to Shanghai pub where I signaled a Moto. The moto came and I got on the bike but she started to attack the rider who got off and retaliated in a fight during which her hand bag was torn. I walked away in another direction looking for a police station. After walking for about 25 minutes unable to find any help I got so far in front of her that to my surprise the same Moto rider had been following and quickly rode up for me to get on the back to make an escape. I paid him handsomely when he dropped me off at my hotel.

Fortunately I was leaving town the next day but I was so what nervous when I returned to the same are next year.

O K, some may say I should have paid her more in the first place, however no money was discussed, I bought her lunch and she was a bottom feeder that many guys would not touch. Lesson learned, in this situation always agree on a price before parting the old beef curtain!

Johnie.

Jahan
02-14-22, 20:22
Remember to check with your Airline. Sometimes they demand that you have a ticket out of Cambodia. Before covid, easy to buy a cheap bus ticket to Ho Chi Minh online.Hi there,

I am on my way to PP in two weeks from now, as always I try to inform myself (update my information) regarding what they ask at the border since I know the officers like to improve themselves who sell the most nonsense. So as I told that I have all required documents Covid-19 and other bla bla he told me he advise me to purchase a return flight as land borders are closed, so I would have no issues in case if some ask for it, he add it might be I get rejected to enter, so this scared me, although I guess I was wise enough but hey it was his call and he did push me to think what is more worth to me, after long flight having some P. Sh, bothering me to gain all lost money during pandemic or just get in without hassle+ so I just purchased a flight to BKK in a month I knew I can easily extend my visa at least for one month, but I am going to apply for either business visa or retirement one once I am inside so why bother, and I paid $68 for Leimai airlines flight PP to BKK (I think is to DMK! Any way Nice to be there soon for 60 ieth).

Sam Sanuk
02-15-22, 11:28
Do you guys need to show the booking of a return flight to get the visa on https://www.evisa.gov.kh or are there any requests to show a return flight confirmation at the airport in Phnom Penh?As noted previously, no flight information is requested or needed upon application for an eVisa to Cambodia. The airline may ask to see a reservation for a flight departing Cambodia. I had this happen the one time I departed the USA Using a one-way ticket. I have never been required to show onward travel arrangements upon arrival at a Cambodian airport.

SS.

JohnnyO
02-18-22, 05:25
Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.

Gonz0
02-18-22, 07:50
I'm on the ground here with an issue. I'll post a report at some stage but first I need advice. I won't go into full detail at the moment. There's a freelancer that keeps randomly showing up at mine promising to make trouble for me unless I pay her. I paid her 2 very small amounts. Second time at a police station in which she and the police promised this would end, I'm not so sure about this as no official report was made. Now I can't feel relaxed and don't want to be caught off guard if she shows up a random again. Can anyone "genuinely" offer advice or have experience with this before. Should I attempt to go to another police station and have an official report made, what are my options?

Yes I know I shouldn't pay her and I certainly won't be paying her a cent again but I need to know how to officially put a stop to this. Please message me if you feel you can genuinely help.
Guys I'm the ground here since the last 2 weeks. Another 2 week's to go. I have the lay of the land. If anyone wants to meet up for a beer inbox me.Looks like you have found a solution to your earlier problem.

Did it end with the payment at the police station?

From your experience, do you have any advice for anyone who might encounter a similar problem in the future?

Travel Spirit
02-19-22, 22:24
enjoy about 150 girly barsHow many girls per bar?

NormanBrightside
02-21-22, 09:30
Does anyone have any information on the mechanics of taking girls back to your hotel?

I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?

Thanks.

Norman.

Banana Boi
02-22-22, 02:51
I will be in PP later this month, and my hotel has messaged me about requirements for all guests to have original passports and vaccination certificates. Do you know whether these rules are strictly enforced and if so whether bar girls all carry these documents with them?Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.

NormanBrightside
02-22-22, 04:32
Change hotels immediately. Book a hotel near or on Street 136. No issues. Those hotels know why guys stay there.Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?

Cheers.

Norman.

RacShack
02-22-22, 05:43
Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.Sun and moon used to be very girl friendly, but who knows now with all the BS going on, ask them outright through email, WhatsApp or landline so you know the answer before to late to cancel, I know riverside as well "used "to be zero jam up, good luck.

Blanquiceleste
02-22-22, 06:35
Thanks Banana Boi. My hotel is the Sun and Moon which is right in the middle of the bars, so I hope it's ok. Does anyone else have any recent experiences of this hotel or ones around the bar areas?.Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.

NormanBrightside
02-22-22, 18:10
Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.

Gilolo
02-22-22, 18:59
Sun and Moon is a good hotel, great location but they have some rather silly rules. As BB suggests a change of hotels might be the best move.I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there!

NormanBrightside
02-23-22, 07:45
I was in Sun and Moon hotel just when the pandemia start and just few days before they close the country. But I'll never go back there! Each time ladies must show their ID to go in rooms. And when ladies don't have ID and even if they show the copy of their ID they refuse the lady go in the room.

Last time, I was on the pool of the hotel and my lady came to me but didn't have her ID. I told them she can come to the bar and pool of the hotel. We took a drink together. But after we decided go my room, and the reception called me in my room to ask me the lady to leave my room because she didn't show her ID. In reception, they have nothing to do and they check where go the customers of the hotel go with their ladies.

I'll never go back there!Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.

RacShack
02-23-22, 08:53
Thanks Gilolo,

I've taken everyone's advice and have switched hotels to the TAO Riverside which is nearby and hopefully less fussy than the Sun & Moon.

Again many thanks all for the really helpful advice!

Norman.Hopefully?

FunExplorer
02-23-22, 09:13
I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.


Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess..

NormanBrightside
02-23-22, 23:21
I stayed at Hotel De Arts, which is right opposite the Night Market and in the heart of RLD. Its a decent hotel and I liked its bathroom which does not have a door but covered by big glass. You can enjoy bath with the girl together or just watch her taking bath! I recommend the hotel and it is absolutely girl friendly. No questions asked. No ID required any time by the girls. I have taken multiple girls on the same day.Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.

Cheers,

Norman.

FunExplorer
02-24-22, 08:36
During my stay back in 2017, I did not come across any under aged girls. Nevertheless, I agree ID helps to prevent that. But many hotels do not really check!


Thank's FunExplorer.

I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl..

Paolo99
02-24-22, 11:22
I checked with TAO. No vaccine cert but they need a copy of an ID or passport (original isn't needed). So I guess light orange compared to the very green Hotel Des Arts. As most hotel booking sites are giving free cancellation and nothing to pay until a couple of days before you arrive, I will probably book both and then mull it over. I really like the large balcony and riverside view of the TAO, and the girl having ID helps ensure that you don't end up with an underaged girl.Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.

NormanBrightside
02-25-22, 08:17
Hey Paolo,

A tourist visa which cost $38 if I recall. Very straightforward but it did take about 7 days for the approval confirmation. Then assuming you are fully vaccinated a negative PCR test up to 72 hours before flying and an ART test on arrival which you have to wait at the airport to get the results.

You're right I'm paying $60 and that is a little pricey for a hotel with the high end facilities such as a pool and gym. But I like the idea of a large balcony over looking the riverside, it's also a high floor and is near to the action. So I'm willing to pay for that.

Cheers.

Norman.


Hi Norman,

What are the requirements to enter Cambodia nowadays? Did they open up the country lately?

I stayed at TAO for one night, the room was big but the place was very overpriced in my opinion (60 dollars) but I didn't have the balcony on the riverside, mine was on the street.

If I remember correctly the night clerk was locking the lobby's door at night, I had to wake him up to enter the hotel after a night out.

And taking the girl's ID was already something they were doing pre-covid, he even called me to check if everything was ok before giving her ID back.

Djspk
03-18-22, 06:34
I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.

Djspk
03-18-22, 07:01
It's generally true that the hostess bars in Phnom Penh are all "take-out" establishments. When you find a girl you like, you pay the barfine and take her back to your hotel. However, I was just in PP and actually found at least one bar that has on-site ST rooms -- there may be more in that area.

Specifically on a street parallel to the river between 110 and 118 (one block west from the main river road) there are several hostess bars, and I suspect more than one of them may have ST rooms. The ST room I used was technically an apartment reached by going out of the bar, which is probably how they avoid legal scrutiny. Even though the room was a bit ramshackle and the "AC" was just some fans, I picked a really good one and got one of the best lays of my whole trip.

If you're adventurous, or are too horny to care about the accommodations, it's worth a look.

TitanJones
03-18-22, 16:34
I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?

Sam Sanuk
03-19-22, 06:16
Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?I sponsored one bargirl 30+ years ago who was dancing on Soi Cowboy. 19 years old with a 4 year old son. I'd met her over about 3 trips in 18 months. Readily identifiable as an honest, no bullshit type of person. Very "unThai". She only had a 3rd grade education. Her Thai husband had left her shortly after their kid was born. He was almost twice her age. No sick mother or buffalo. Needed to support her kid and parents. (She had two cousins doing the same work.) She jumped at the chance of going for vocational training; she decided to try "hair school". 6 months program. Tuition and a stipend was provided by yours truly. Stipend was administered by a trustworthy Thai friend in BKK. He checked weekly at the school to make sure she was attending and progressing. If not, the stipend / sponsorship would be terminated. She finished and mailed me a fancy invitation to her graduation ceremony in BKK. That was very interesting. Loyal? 200%. She got married to a good Thai guy who had a good job at a Thai uni. He got her a job there and she has been employed at the uni for close to 30 years. LOL Loyal? After her husband died unexpectedly, she resumed our previous relationship. I chat with her from time to time on Facebook. She's a real gem. She's a grandmother you'd like to F+++ (Still trim and very well aged.) She is the only bargirl I've even considered for a fleeting moment to sponsor. Without the help of my Thai buddy in making sure she followed through, I would not have done it. Indeed, I'd generally stay clear of any sponsorship of a bargirl.

SS.

Blanquiceleste
03-23-22, 07:36
I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?If this isn't your first trip to Asia you would not ask this question. A less painful way to part with your money would be to burn it.

As for turning a WG into a housewife. Kingdoms have been lost. Don't waste your time contemplating such matters.

Love Traveller
03-24-22, 11:44
Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!!

EDash713
03-28-22, 17:36
Brother. Finally Covid Restrictions are at its lowest and Cambodia seems to be a nice place to start AGAIN.

Quick Question: Usually, the birds in Philippine's run away to the province to celebrate such holidays. Hence trying out a new destination, Phnom Penh.

Worth traveling to the city on Khumer New Year Weekend? Will be clubs be empty or buzzing? Choose another weekend or this one would be more fun?

Thanks for in advance for your help guys! Can't wait to hear from you and plan accordingly!!I was there 3/19 to 3/23 to go Siem Reap. The bar at 136 area was pretty dead. Plenty of girls but rarely any customers. They all want 100-200 for long time. I didn't bother checking out KTV. And I can't for the life of me find any happy massage places.

NormanBrightside
03-29-22, 07:34
Just a quick report.

I was in PP in early March and as others have mentioned street 136 is full of girls but very few customers. I ended up taking a girl for 40 USD ST. She was actually happy for it to be LT at the same price but I had things to do the next day so needed to be up early. The girl was early 20's, pretty enough although not stunning and happy to kiss, OWO and in fact bareback too if I wanted. Service was pretty good too. I stayed at the TAO Riverside which is nice and convenient and they held the girls ID but didn't need a vaccine cert. They also called me before they handed the ID back to ensure everything was ok.

All in all, PP is a good place to hobby at the moment, albeit limited on things to do during the day.

Norman.

AintAsceet
04-05-22, 21:19
And are there any escort sites to pick from or any way to find online outcall girls or do I have to hunt for them in person and then bring them to my hotel / Airbnb?

Blr City
04-07-22, 13:27
Is it worth visiting phnom phen during New year week, April 10-15?

This would be my first time.

Any tips would be appreciated.

Traveling John #2
04-07-22, 16:41
Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her families lives. Try to remember though like the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.


I stayed 6 days at sun and moon hotel. They require original ID and vaccine card and charge 10 $ Per girl. This hotel probably has the nicest pool, but you can access it if you aren't staying there for 10/ day (sometimes for free because they don't come ask you for the money, all you have to do is walk to the back of the lobby and to the elevator to the top floor). I should've stayed in tao riverside because they don't ask for ID and don't charge per girl. I paid anywhere from 50-100/ night. The hotter the girl the more you pay, also I'd they are 18/19 lowest I saw was 80. Pretty slow not a lot of farang. I had some great girls. I'd say about half of them did not do BJ. 6 girls total this trip. 3 let me have sex no condom, loved stuffing those tiny little things.

Its A bit of a hassle getting through customs because they want a visa (usually takes 3 days, but I got one within 24 h using evisa and require a pcr). To get around I used tuk tuk, they usually charge 3 dollars to get around the district. You can download "pass app" and it's much cheaper. GRAB app was useless for transportation.

I like it better than Thailand (been there twice previously). The reason I like it better than Thailand is because the girls are overall more friendly. I'm a big black guy about 5'11 245 muscular football frame. In Thailand on multiple occasions girls would say "NO" to barfine in bars and gogo. The girls are way more particular in Thailand. I was never refused service by any girls in Cambodia and all of the ones I picked were absolutely mind-blowingly tiny. It was greattt. It's incredibly depressing to be turned down by some tiny Asian girl stunner working in a working girl house. One very annoying this I encountered was talking to a girl only to find out they don't go with customers. I don't understand that at all. The girls would say "you are cute I like you, but I no go with customer". I asked if they have BF or sponsor and they say no. It was always the younger girls that were 18. Despite that I had 2 18 year olds that were fantastic, who did not object to barfine. I can't make heads or tails why some of the young ones went and why the others didn't. Some parts of the culture and customs are very strange. They girls call cousins "sister" even if they aren't sisters.

I talked to a few girls and the stories they share are sad. For some reason every single girl working in the bar is because their mothers is "sick". I think I'm Khmer culture sick has multiple meaning which include health and non-health related things, including poverty but I'm not sure. It's incredibly weird that all the girls I talked to had the same back story. Started working because they are poor and have a sick mother. Not sure how much of it is BS.

Have any of you guys sponsored any of these girls and tried to get them an education or out of the bar? I met a dynamite girl who I would considered sponsoring who looks like a Goddess but I don't know how that works. Are the girls typically loyal or does it vary on an individual basis? Anyone have any experience with this?

GentileBear
04-13-22, 23:54
Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.

SplareMe
04-17-22, 08:01
Not a fan of getting told no by a working girl and it seems to only happen in Asia. Especially Japan and Korea. Good to hear you had a good time.

Sponsoring a girl whose story is depressing is probably not a good idea. But college is much cheaper and the cost of living is low. If you believe in giving to something might as well be a girl that made you smile and you could visit anytime you are in Asia. The girl I sponsor meets me in different countries and helping her finish college will change her and her family's lives. Try to remember though as the other guy said, she is using the money to have a better life and not wasting it.Well said. If you really understand where the women are coming from and you have made a real connection, then like in any other relationship you spend time and resources helping to make both your lives work well together. This is always a complicated decision. The more you understand yourself the easier this decision is.

Understand, this is an opportunity to connect with someone who would be impossible to connect with, and enjoy the opportunity while doing the right thing under most usual circumstances! Win, win!

Always make sure you do a serious risk assessment first. Remember your weakness, the crazy girls are the most fun! Find your safe zone and defend it.

There is a little more softness in Cambodian women. I just visited it for the 3rd time and it is still top of my list.

Gilolo
04-18-22, 03:14
Is BBFS CIP (creampie finish) easily available in Phnom Penh? I am on the verge of pulling the trigger and going to Cambodia since I am just to reluctant to play Covid games in PI or Pattaya.

For what it is worth. And maybe to bring some value. I went to Jakarta Indo and had the same question. Although I PM'ed a few of you guys. Was very happy that BBFS was the standard.

Also. Seems Cambo might be cheaper. And I am just looking for some open minded ladies who are submissive but Condom sex isn't for me.Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.

Dragonfly22
04-20-22, 05:00
I was just in Cambodia, and I stayed at the Sun&Moon and also at the Lux Riverside. The Sun&Moon is way nicer (and very cheap right now), but it is definitely more rigid about their guest policy -- they require ID and a Vax card. Still, that only caused an issue once when I took back a girl who doesn't normally do bar fines (it worked out, I convinced the desk man to let it slide that she didn't have her vax card with). The Lux is older and has fewer amenities, but is more chill about guests. IMO, virtually anything above $30 in the riverside area will be fine.

One thing to note about your return journey is that a PCR test in Cambodia will set you back $130.Try the Pasteur Institute it's only $80 there.

GentileBear
04-20-22, 05:53
Hi,

I confirm you that BBFS is a standard in Cambodia, especially in PP. Girls never ask you to put a condom! If they ask you, it's because they think you can pay them an extra to do it without.Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info!

Gilolo
04-23-22, 14:03
Thank you Gilolo!

Any other words of wisdom? Are these ladies "nicer" and less "professional" than Pattaya? I enjoy long time and want to have the ladies over for the full night. I don't like short time gigs.

Anyway, thanks for your info!Well it depends on the lady you take. The first time I was in Cambodia, I stay with the lady 1 full week! She was the most beautiful girl of PP for me. We fuck together everyday bareback! But when you stay long time with a girl, she costs you a lot of money. Not with cash! But when you're on holidays with her, you pay all visits, expensive hotels and you make her many gifts + cash you give her! So finally it's not so cheap!

But what I like to do is to mix, have this lady now few days and then go fuck ladies for short time too.

Love Traveller
04-30-22, 11:24
Finally got to visit the Phnom Penh. Stayed at Amanjaya Pancam Suites Hotel, a very short walk from 136. Choose to travel during their new years. Not a very wise idea.

Limited inventory. But ok. Not too great. 100 usd for a few hours. 150 usd for long. WOW & Amazing were the places we ended up every night, having checked out the other places before. Drinks - 4 usd for a Jack Coke, 4. 5 USd for ladies drink. Beer. 6 usd for Jack Coke for girls.

Everyone in the bar is available. Manager, cashier, the lot. Just ask for what you like.

Place wasnt as crowded at first. But got buzy closer to checkout dates.

Took a boat tour. Booked the whole boat for usd100 for 2 hrs. We were 6 guys and equivalent girls.

They fall in love so fast. Cry if we switch girls from the same bar.

Would I go back again, maybe.

Chop
06-04-22, 07:18
PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

RakSopheni
06-05-22, 06:58
I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.

On their FB page I saw that Crycee was open- which is great because I remember this spot as being the only "sure thing" in a world of Drink Queen Hostess Bars- although the quality was often lacking. I'm wondering out loud if there are any other similar such establishments that have opened.

Currently in Pattaya there is a shortage of young, hot girls which is causing barfines, ST and LT inflate. I look forward to comparing this situation to Phnom Penh, which from the little written here and on other forums, seems to be faring a bit better.

See you guys soon.

RS.

Playboy2021
06-05-22, 16:32
I'm currently in Pattaya, coming to Phnom Penh next week and looking forward to writing some reports for the forum. I was last in PP in 2019, it will be interesting to see how things have changed.I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.

Chop
06-06-22, 05:31
Went out again last night (Sunday), and feel like I need to revise my previous report of "alive and kicking," from Friday night. It's alive, but things were substantially more subdued. Maybe because of the election, I don't know, but definitely slower than Friday. At least half of the businesses were closed. Still more providers than customers--and yes there are plenty of spinners in there for you picky guys--so don't be discouraged. Just not the same wide open feel I reported a few days ago.

RakSopheni
06-06-22, 06:01
I read through your historical forum posts and note 1) you have traveled through South America & Caribbean and 2) look for BBFS with spinners. Based on your experience, do you think Thailand / Cambodia / Philippines is worth the travel headache vs. Sticking with Medellin for example?

I've spent a lot of time in South America & Caribbean as well and don't have trouble finding BBFS. Trying to figure out if a long, expensive trip to Asia is worth it. Appreciate your thoughts.Hey Playboy,

I won't to go too long in my answer because the subject is not directly related to Phnom Penh, but it does include it in a general sense so I think it's OK.

I took a look at your post and saw you are a mid-thirties guy, probably could get good sex without any "help" so YMMV.

Like you said, I've spent a significant amount of time in Colombia, Caribbean and Brazil seeking BBFSCIP, CIM with petite spinners and I would say the short answer is LATAM is very sub-standard to SEA in that respect. It's possible to find those things there (LATAM), but unless you play the long SA game, want to pay extra with Centro and SF streetwalkers, its really hard to get anything more than a BJ uncovered. I mean it does happen, but it's rare and costly and doesn't flow naturally. You say its no problem for you, so maybe we have a different experience.

On the flipside, I'm having and have had amazing BBFSCIP, CIM in SEA on a daily, sometimes 2 girls a day for a reasonable price. The only reason I was mongering in LATAM is because SEA was closed 2020-2021. Now that things are up and running again it's doubtful I will return (maybe Rio but that's it). All the guys on the MDE forum fighting over Centro girls, and freezing your butt off in Bogota to try to score some 18 yr old Vennie for BBFS for 10 minutes now seems sort of sad too me.

The reason to monger exclusively in LATAM would be if you have a fetish for this Latinas, anal (in Brazil), speak fluent Spanish or Portuguese and or the cost and time to come to SEA is prohibitive to you.

Hope that helps.

RS.

Playboy2021
06-06-22, 16:31
Hope that helps.Very helpful. Thank you much. Guess I'm headed to SEA! Be well.

SGK45
06-08-22, 10:47
Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned. Lot of mongers do not haggle and pay more than they should. This is a bad trend in whole Asia. At this rate it will be cheaper to travel Amsterdam than travelling to Asia. Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.


PP is alive and kicking. Can't compare it to pre-covid as it's my first time here, but the bars in the river district are open. Plenty of cute young (legal!) girls but not so many customers. I asked the girls at the bar across from my hotel last night (a Friday night), and it was 7 girls working. 3 inside with only one customer and 4 outside trying to tout me in. All four were well doable but as you'll see, I set the bar a bit low. YMMV. I got nothing further to share on the bar front as it's not my scene, but I can report it looks good from the street.

Went in for a massage earlyish in the evening. Wanted an actual decent massage so picked a place with older gals. They age pretty well in this part of the world. Good enough for a HJ and like I said I was really after a legit massage as priority one anyway. My choice turned out to be a pretty decent masseuse, so mission accomplished. The HJ finish quickly turned to BBFS, which I was cool with. Total damage: $12 US for the massage and $20 for the pussy. That's a little on the high side for the massage, but on the low side for the pussy. Call it the past her prime discount, but past her prime was still plenty good enough to get the job done.

Mitian 1994
06-08-22, 12:40
Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.

PayForIt
06-08-22, 16:38
Hi Friends,

Can someone confirm if Nagaworld hotel is Girl Friendly? Any restrictions .

Thanks.

Mitian.It is friendly. There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). So you may not even need to venue into town if you see someone you like. Though be warned. They are significantly more expensive than picking up girls in the girlie bars in town. Tuk Tuk to 136/130 is cheap and I have taken 2 girls back from pool bars to the hotel, even taken them into the casino, bought them drinks then up to the room despite it being very clear (from dress) that they are working girls. The hotel is split into Naga 1 and Naga 2 - not a lot of difference. I preferred 1 than 2 (fitness centre). Very unlikely you will have any issue on reception taking girls back.

Chop
06-10-22, 09:58
Could you suggest few good places like the one you mentioned.Any of the massage shops within the first couple blocks of the river plaza. Say from St 118 to St 154 ish. The tell is older women women working. Massage shop staff tend to be all youngsters or all older past their prime gals. The young ones look better but they ask more, and for my money the older ones are just plain better at it anyway. Also you usually get a decent massage. Fat chance of that with the young ones. For the record, the one I posted about was on St 148. Don't remember the name. I think it's the only one on 148 between the river and that rats nest of a market.

Careful trying this at shops outside the river district. I didn't, but I know from Thailand that a lot of the massage shops staffed by older women are not hand job joints. I would assume the same is true for the shops in the less sketchy parts of PP but again, I didn't try.


Messaging is not available. Otherwise I would have DM.Yeah, no DMs for me. Sorry.

Banana Boi
06-11-22, 02:59
There are girls parading around the casino downstairs and several of them group at the bar of the casino (part of the hotel). Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?

RakSopheni
06-12-22, 07:04
I arrive at my hotel near Riverside at around 19:00 a bit tired, hungover and with a headache. That morning I triple teamed a z-pak, doxycycline, and ciprofloxacin just to root out any devious bacteria that might be silently lurking after 3 weeks tearing through Pattaya BB and it's making my head swim, some nausea and affecting my libido. Phnom Penh rush hour is not great either.

I've been messaging a provider I had a great experience with 3 years ago pre-pandemic who I also recently found on social media. At some point in the interim she stopped posting pictures of her body (which was hot) and now we just see shots of her face in tik tok videos singing sad songs and FB posts about being alone. She seems sad. Nevertheless I have this idealized image of her because of our amazing sex 3 years ago and so arrange to meet at her bar on 130 street. I dash through the rain and there she is, 3 years later. Same person, but yes she has gained some weight and now is not really doing it for me. We have an awkward drink- her personality was also much sexier 3 years ago. She- of course- did not remember me as I'm probably just one face, one dick, in a sea of anonymous sex that all blurs into one undifferentiated continuum. I tell her I just wanted to meet and will not be taking her back, she says that she's fine but I can tell she's a bit sad, especially because I expressed interest in the very young and hot girls slinking around the bar. I had to ask them and "no" they do not go with men "only drink". Looked a bit young in any case.

After a brief rest I'm back and this time on 136 street. I figure I will start at the top and work my way down to Riverside and so I walk up to the first group of presentable ladies on that end and choose one for a drink. She's 20, from a remote area of Cambodia, and speaks no English. Through google translate I also learn she is very new and inexperienced and seems a bit nervous. At first she says she doesn't do boom boom, but after a drink and my gentle persuasions, she seems up for the idea of yum yum. I made the mistake of asking a mamasan (or mamasan adjacent staff) to come sit with us and have some drinks. These drink bills really really add up my dudes. I always have the instinct to be generous and have a little party but my face always melts when I look at the drink bill alone, not even counting the barfine or ST rate.

At any event, the young lady agrees to give it a try for 50 USD. I think the barfine was around 12 USD, and we are soon back in my hotel. This girl is very beautiful and young, a kind of innocence exudes from her- which is great and everything but doesn't really do it for me so much. We take it slow and ease into a gentle blowjob- which is ok and it's nice to see such a beautiful woman down there, but I really need that hot action, eye contact, etc- so I'm only at ľ mast. On the bed I give her a couple of fingers which she really really seems to enjoy and she continues the BJ a bit. I try to finish on her face, but she looked like she really didn't want it, and it's super hard for me to finish in those conditions so I just give up after a while. Didn't get around to sex or anything but I got the feel that BBFS was on the table if we had. I'm sure another man would've been banging her silly, but I respond to these non-verbal queues and really need it to be a collaboration not a lesson. I knew this was the risk in taking a new, young, inexperienced girl- but so be it. We have some nice pillow talk and she is on her way $50 richer, pondering if maybe she should go with men more and start making some real money.

I'm starting to feel a bit sicker- my head is swimming- but I'm also frustrated that I haven't shot my shot yet. I resolve to go to a bar and just have a beer- so I chose one right by my hotel. Of course a lady inside forces the drink issue- I tell her I'm not interested and just want a beer and she says she understands, but somehow end up buying her a beer. I try to ask her questions about the Hostess Bar scene and get some info, but honestly she's not very useful. I tell her I'm sad because I haven't shot my shot yet- and she pulls over a cute girl, petite with large breasts and says this girl could help me out- that she really knows what she's doing in the BJ category and would be happy to allow a finish in mouth. In my inebriated state I start to think this might be a good idea and just what I need. I hold up a $50 which she snatches from my hand and says lets go to your hotel. I'm not sure why I allowed this- I think I probably was visibly drunk and also feeling sick.

It's at this time as we walk out the door I realize this girl is walking with some sort of scoliosis limp and is not a fully abled person. My stomach sinks as I realize I just agreed to ST with what Americans would call a handicap person. At that point it seemed like it was a done deal so I just rolled with it, still clinging to the hope I could shoot my shot. Up in the room, things get even worse when it turns out that the promises made by the other girl prove false, that this girl is actually a nanny- she's only worked at the bar 1 week, has never gone with a man, and has not sucked a dick in years. Nevertheless I give it the old college try but in between her giggles and me fully realizing I'm having a handicap person give me a blowjob- any blood that might've been in my dick slowly drains away leaving a limp little jelly worm in its place. Sitting in a chair I slump over her, and she somewhat rescues the situation by giving me an amazing head massage, and then we go to the bed and gives me an amazing back massage. I ask her about her life and she sympathizes with me. So not a total loss because it was very relaxing- but clearly I made a terrible, terrible choice in a moment of weakness. Good story though.

I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.

Sam Sanuk
06-13-22, 12:19
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I'm trying to develop a strategy for dealing with Phnom Penh Hostess Bars which are unique from Pattaya generally in that there is no obligation for the girl to go with you for short time. In fact many of these girls have never been with a man and essentially act as eye candy to draw in pikers. This presents a problem because you usually need to buy them a drink to discover this information, and this can drain time and money. Not only that I'm getting the suspicion that in this environment where many of the girls are inexperienced, any sex that you do manage to have will be something of a learning experience for the lady- which for me is not terribly satisfying. I'm going to give it a full week of effort to see if I can crack this nut- but any suggestions from the board would be helpful. I will say there are many many ladies, many of them young and quite attractive, and very few punters around. Which, again, is deceptive because really only a fraction of these girls are for the taking.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

RS.Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.

MrClen
06-13-22, 22:52
Like the go-go and freelance bars in Thailand, none of the damsels are required to go with a specific customer. Just as the customer is not obligated to buy a drink for a dancer / hostess. My experiences in Phnom Penh hostess bars has be from barely acceptable to fantastic.

Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.

Good luck.

Sam.I am an older guy and greatly prefer the KTV type experience where you can really get to have some fun, and have rarely been disappointed. The massage HJ is, for me, a real waist of time unless a good veggie message is what I want. My only 2 KTV visits in PP were great where the girls did not wear panties and little was off the menu. BBFS was no problem as was BJCIM. Never tried the bar street except to get something to eat. Stayed at NAGA World.

RakSopheni
06-14-22, 07:51
If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

I've been hanging out with my provider form 3 years ago who I no longer find sexually attractive- called her over for a BJ one rainy Sunday night and ended up just talking- which was nice, and then hung out and drank with her again last night at her friends / families restaurant / shop. She's more like a romantic friend- I kiss her and hold her, tell her my troubles with the scene here, but am not interested in sex with her.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste.

Lest anyone reading this think that the problem is some whiny dude with chronic ED, please go back and read my Pattaya reports from the previous 3 weeks in which I am having sex multiple times a day with 2, sometimes 3 girls in one day. Perhaps the obvious problem is that I am treating Phnom Penh as Pattaya and my expectations are severely miscalibrated. Hopefully some honesty is helpful as well- all too often the forum becomes some sort of unrealistic fantasy-scape in which every poster has TT Boy stamina and Peter North cumshots and it becomes a bit much. I might be guilty of this at times. Negative reports are just as useful as positive.

Moving forward I am shifting my strategy- I am no longer going to be going out with the expectation of sex, but with the intent really just to meet potential girls that might satisfy my specifications and might be available at some point for a session- rather than looking to shoot my shot right that night. It's going to be a lot of work making my way through what seems like hundreds of Hostess Bars on 136,130 and 118 drink by drink- but I think that's the only way. More often than not it seems that the girls are just there for the drink money and aren't really providers.

Once again, any board members that can help me hack this scene, and advice is appreciated. I'm only here for a week or so but I don't want it to be a total loss.

In case it's not already clear, Phnom Penh is not Pattaya.

RS.

RakSopheni
06-14-22, 07:56
Strategy # !: Let the girl choose you. Let her know through looking at her or communicating through another person that you might be interested in her. If she comes over, try to engage in conversation. (can be challenging).

Strategy # 2: Read her body language! Is she nervous? Distant? Does she flinch or pull away if you rub her thigh or put your arm around her?

Strategy #3: Before buying a lady drink, ask her directly if she goes with customers. Or ask one of the other hostesses if you target goes with customers. Of course, that doesn't mean she will go with YOU. She might be very selective.

After 1 drink for her, you should be able to get a good idea if compatibility is likely, though not guaranteed.
These are all solid suggestions thanks Sam. I think that there's just no way around the work that the whole process requires and that's really what I'm having a problem with. So many hot girls walking around here- but only a fraction of them are really available for you and its a time and money intense process trying to determine who is who.

RS.

SouthEaster
06-14-22, 09:48
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?

Muzungufotsy
06-14-22, 16:50
If I hadn't already pre-paid my hotel in cash I think I probably would be booking a flight to the Philippines right now. Two more bad days has me realizing that coming from 3 weeks in Pattaya my expectations need to be tempered big time. This is not a point and shoot location, although what is perplexing me is just how easy and amazing it was 3 years ago. It's almost like a different city. Maybe its me who has changed.

The other development was a terrible trip to Cyrcee Secret Bar- a closed door bar up 130 past Norodom, and the only bar in Phnom Penh that I'm aware of where all the girls are a sure thing (I don't do soapies, messages etc so am not counting those). I pulled a great girl from there 3 years ago and had a good memory of the place. Part of the problem is that I'm going out with the expectation that I need to and will shoot my shot, and this forces some bad decisions. For example, I walk in and a couple of girls are on me instantly, I scan the room, the only really ok girl is staring at her phone and has no interest in me, so I consider one of the girls on my arm. I try to think in my mind if I can get it off with her and imagine positive things about her body under that strangely revealing dress. Her face is not so bad. In hindsight this is all wishful thinking. After I pay the bar $20 for drinks plus bar fine, $10 for the short time hotel, and commit $40 to her, and we are up in a small room and her clothes come off as I sit on a chair trying to get it up. Her body was just awful and my heart sinks one more time as she starts to suck my dick and I realize it's just not going to happen and I just smoked $70. After a few minutes I call it, throw her the cash, put my clothes on and am out the door, leaving her feeling rejected and ugly I'm sure. Total waste..Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. Cyrcee used to be a sure thing. Well 70 $ to find out the girl s body is awful this would never happen before. Anyway I would tell the manager to send another girl instead. That shouldn't be a problem if it s still the French guy.

As for the ripoff hostess bars I don't spend time or money to listen to these girls BS. I m the customer I m here to get laid period. All the rest is useless. If I want a GF I go to temple not to hostess bar.

Dave The Expl
06-15-22, 01:18
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?Is there a fruit version where they use durian spikes like acupuncture? Just don't use to much pressure because if it breaks open the smell will drive everyone out of the building LOL.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 05:28
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for. Simply put, the depth of the talent pool is just not there, and the discovery interface is inefficient and unpleasant. It's a real boner killer walking into these places being swarmed by literally 12 not attractive girls, finally choosing the least unattractive one just to make the rest go away, and then gulping down a beer as quickly as possible to get the hell out of there. I did spot a lady or two at a high end bar half-way up 136, but I'm so disgusted with this scene and with expectations of difficulties it doesn't even seem worth it. I am hanging up the hat.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.

Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 05:29
Lets face it PP as a mongering destination is dead. Everybody says it. 100% agree.

RakSopheni
06-15-22, 18:15
So I'm sitting in Ostro on 136 street having probably way too many $. 75 draft Angkors and some food and I notice all the sudden a group of legitimately hot girls cross the street in a flock and filter into a bar I haven't been into or seen anyone outside of- TOP 136 Night Life Lounge. (picture attached). Hmm, this is interesting- I know I have sworn off the nightlife here and am just passing through but my curiosity is piqued.

I finish my beers and spring rolls and saunter over to the brightly lit facade with a bit of a buzz on- the interior is beautiful, someone spent some real money-opulent couches and decor. All the girls are crouched at a table / booth / sofa thing immersed in their phones and don't even look up as I come in. Hmmm, different. This waiter fellow tries to shuffle me as usual to a booth / couch but I brush him off and head towards the bar where I order a.$5 beer. In Cambodia beers are like $1. 50. This is quite a premium and I mention that to the clearly gay with bleached hair waiter guy who seems flummoxed by my presence and I get the feeling he wants me to leave but just can't come out and say it, I also notice the menu is mostly in Chinese with small English subtitles.

Keep in mind I am the only customer in the bar and it is around 23:30. You could say business is not great. I walk over to the group of girls and just sort of stand their stupidly for a good 3 minutes looking at them. None of them even look up. Hmmm, ok. I guess maybe I'm in the wrong category of customer. I take my $5 beer and walk outside to another group of girls- mind you these are the hottest girls I've seen all week, and the exact same thing. Not one girl even looks up from her phone- which would be fine and everything if this were the real world- but I thought this was a hooker bar in a desperately poor country and again- did I mention I'm the only customer in the place that is probably thousands in debt a depressed post-pandemic economy.

Another waitress comes up to talk to me and I try to get the story. Why are these girls ignoring me? Is this a Chinese bar for Chinese men? It's ok, you can tell me and if that's the case I will just leave. Not a problem. She tries to say, no all people welcome here. I cut her off and say, you know what, forget it, I don't even want this beer. I put the untouched $5 beer down on a table and begin to walk off. "Thank you, come again-" No. I cut her off. I will not be coming again.

One more reason to stay the fuck out of Phnom Penh.

RS.

MrClen
06-15-22, 22:35
OK, I'll bite. What the fuck is a veggie massage?A veggie massage is a good massage by someone who know's what they are doing! No Sex, no HJ, No BJ. Just a good real massage. If anyone here is familiar with China and the good old days of Chang Ping and Chang an. Anything goes KTV's with hundreds of beautiful girls to chose from, but also a great massage shop where a good veggie massage was a great way to spend an afternoon.

Sammon
06-16-22, 00:50
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers.

I never hit 104 street and although it's probably slightly better I would expect largely the same. And yes, I know there are freelancers that are a sure thing at Pontoon nightclub but I'm a middle-aged man- I hate nightclubs and staying up until 3 am just to get some poon. The other thing here is the cost- $40-60 for short time, plus a minimum $25 drinks plus barfine gets you to about $80. In Pattaya I was banging hot, experienced spinners BBFSCIP for 1000-1500 baht ST ($28-$42). So why would I pay a $50 premium for a scene that is more difficult and inefficient, for ladies who are not as good looking, and for girls who don't have a clue how to please me in bed? Why would anyone? Did I mention it's hot as hell here- probably a few degrees F above Pattaya.


Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time. Did go to some dancing places in Phnom Penh and saw lots of freelancers. So after that I went alone at least 5 times. Most of the time I hooked up with freelancers and some stayed with me couple of days of great fun with no condom. One even would cook food and bring it over because she knows I like clams. Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher. But get nice free buffet dinner on casino floor restaurant. Good food, even took some girls there.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.

Axel Heyst
06-16-22, 04:00
My first time going to Cambodia was with my young, very pretty Thai girl working in a bank who I was with few years till it got sticky.

Anyway we went all over including sihanoukville, Angkor what etc. We had a great time.

Did go to some hostess bars and it was a hit and miss to get GFE. This was few years ago and maybe things have changed. I have also stayed at Naga and picked up quite pretty girls. Yes, the cost is higher.

It is true unlike Thai bargirls anything goes Cambodia girls are more reserved and will not like kinky things including anal. But plenty of girls were available for fun. Yes, it is true clubs get going after 11 pm and gets jam packed by midnight. Easy to score. Will get GFE.

Planning to go November and see how things are.Bingo! I have always liked Cambodia and Khmer girls. The first time I went to Cambodia back in 2002. I went solo and I had a great time. The Angkor complex was amazing and at night there was this great combination massage parlor / nightclub in town with lots of pretty girls. The price back then was an astronomical $50 per session for a club girl and I took heat from certain quarters for going along with the pricing and posting about it, but fuck it, I had a great time.

The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. But I really liked Khmer girls thanks to their offbeat, funky, and very demure personalities. I just loved them! And up to 2009 the price for a hostess girl, any hostess girl, was "up to you" which usually meant $15 to $20 per session at the "expensive" hostess bars which included as many shots as I liked per session. It was a memorable time!

Then things changed after the 2009 bar crackdown. Prices started going up and in 2011 I encountered my 1st buy me drink only hostess bar girl. But I still liked the place despite all that because Khmer girls are very very sweet, ect, and I soon learned how to identify the buy me drink only girls and cut short the interview when I was with one. But I admit that after the bar crackdown things were never quite the same and the situation was no longer amazing because under the new way of doing things, many times the prettiest, most desirable girl in the hostess bar was, you guessed it, a buy me drink girl and I hated that.

But then I discovered Darling Darling at Naga World. Darling Darling FL's were among the prettiest hookers in Phnom and there was no drink BS. These girls were all there at the bar for one reason only; to get picked up. So, my PP strategy evolved. I would give the hostess girls first crack to have me in the early part of the evening, but if I had not found a hostess girl to my liking by 11 pm, I would just headed over to Darling Darling where I always found very attractive and very willing girls to take back to my hotel. This was around 2016-2017. Again, I took a lot of criticism from certain punters for posting about picking up $100 Darling Darling FL's, but fuck that. I will never shag a girl I find unattractive merely because she is inexpensive ($30-$40). Anyway, the Darling Darling girls from 2016 and onwards always seemed worth it to me because the girls were very attractive, the sex was great, and the sessions lasted as long as I liked, plus there was never any drinky drinky BS.

I am sure that is why my pal, BananaBoi, asked this question a few days ago:


Is Darling Darling still open? What about the massage places above the casino? What are their current prices of both?It is too bad no one in Phnom Penh answered his question.

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06-16-22, 06:16
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Sam Sanuk
06-16-22, 10:57
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines..I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.

Sam.

Sam Sanuk
06-16-22, 11:01
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way.

RS.
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.
Once again- I beseech the board- if there is something I'm missing please let me know. Short of a miracle I'm just going to be relaxing away from the bars the next couple days, detoxing from sildenafil, and getting ready for the Philippines.

Nothing ventured, nothing gained but I will not be returning to Phnom Penh willingly. If you like sex, you should also stay way..I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1.50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

I'm thinking a bit more research on your part might make your next visit, if any, more pleasurable.

Sam.

Chop
06-17-22, 04:07
I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.

RakSopheni
06-17-22, 05:10
I grieve for you experiencing such a viewpoint as you expressed. However, urging people who like sex to stay away is a disservice to other members of the board. I say that as one who has been enjoying same in Thailand since 1970 and Cambodia since 2000. The club scene has never really been a must for me also. But the hostess bars in PP on any given afternoon or evening can provide a wide variety of options at prices well below BKK prices. Start with beers: try getting a beer in a beer bar in BKK for $1-$1. 50. Try getting a barfine on Cowboy or Nana for $10; try getting a short time for $20-$30 in one of those Cowboy or Nana bars. Or bars on Soi 4 in BKK. I've never paid over $30 for a ST in PP or over $70 for LT. And I'm not a bottom feeder. I haven't been to Asia since it closed down and has (mostly) reopened post covid. So, if you have just recently visited, the thing you might be missing is the fact that a lot of service providers still have not returned to the bars (same as in Thailand). Until more customers are arriving in both places, the numbers of ladies and corresponding acceptable offerings will stay low. .Hi Sam, I really appreciate your thoughtful, supportive and polite manner despite our obvious disagreement on the subject. Many people would've lashed out with ad hominems and I will be the first to admit that my writing on this subject has been suffused with more than a little bit of blubbering self-pity and hyperbole. You make some excellent points and I'm sure many people have had and will have a great time in the scene here. I myself did 3 years ago but in hindsight I think I just got really lucky. On any given night, there does indeed exist the possibility, if not probability to score.


Another thing you might be missing: how you present yourself and what you might be doing or not doing that has made you unsuccessful in your pursuits.

There is a Facebook group named "Phnom Penh Hostess Bars--Girly Bars" that I would urge ISG readers to visit if they have questions or comments on their experiences. It can be a rough group sometimes LOL But worth a look and I think a perspective different from yours will be presented.
Funnily enough I recently had a conversation with the admin of one of these groups if not this very one on FB messenger and he said something that resonated with me- that at any given bar there are only 1-2 girls available for "take-away". This is the crucial point here and maybe not as you suggest something amiss with my presentation which I'm sure is acceptable.

I think there is a taxonomic difference between Hostess Bars and H**ker Bars that should be articulated and is the crux of the matter. In a Hostess Bar, as you will find in Phnom Penh, the emphasis is on companionship and entertaining the men, not on creating a brothel / bordello vibe where the girls are de facto available for sex. Yes, some of them are, and the possibility does exist, but the main purpose seems to be something else entirely. This is purely speculative, but I feel like it relates to the Asian practice more broadly of creating after work or vacation environments for business men to relax and socialize in the company of women. As such it is a social, group activity and not a lone pursuit of sexual gratification. This seems to be the case in Phnom Penh.

A H**ker Bar or Girly Bar as they are called in Thailand and Philippines is entirely different. Sure, some of the girls are not available for "take away" and they always have the right of refusal, but generally rather than refusing out right they will give you a very high price or otherwise look unenthusiastic and pined about it. They know that the expectation is there for them to go with men-it is the rule rather than the exception. Sure many men in Thailand will enjoy the company of women in a slow, non sexual manner similar to the Hostess Bar of Phnom Penh, but in places like Soi 6, and Soi Pothole, the overwhelming emphasis is on taking girls for sex. These places would go out of business immediately if only 1-2 of the 10 or so girls were available for you to enjoy carnally. A full 75% of Thailand red-light district business would vanish if this were the case.

I would speculate that attitude difference comes in part from the fact that Thai culture, Isaan specifically, is Matrilineal or Matriarchal and there is an enormous expectation on these ladies to provide for their families and send money back to their mothers, who encourage them to go into the business and probably were once part of it. Every single Thai working girl I have known exists in such a dynamic, where she sends money to her mother who is taking care of her child and as such they can't always afford just to sip drinks and laugh at farang jokes as they get groped. I doubt the Khmer dynamic is significantly divergent, but there seems to be a cultural difference here with more of a Patriarchal dynamic and more socially conservative attitudes. A girl working at a Hostess Bar can claim truthfully to a potential suitor that she is still a Virgin- as many of them are.

I would recommend Phnom Penh for a more sensitive and less sex crazed monger perhaps in the 55-65 age range. The slow approach and less emphasis on a fast track to boom boom will probably be more enjoyable for this type of guy, and as you say Sam, the prices for this type of past-time here are not bad at all. However, looking at Numbeo a comparison of Pattaya and Phnom Penh does reveal a significant (25-45%) savings in cost of living in Pattaya.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Thailand&city1=Pattaya&country2=Cambodia&city2=Phnom+Penh.

Thanks for this board for reading my reportage, which in the cold light of day sometimes veers into self-pitying blather. I hope it has been useful for someone. I wish I had known before what I know now. I had an amazing experience here 3 years ago but am now thinking it was a lucky convergence more than anything. I doubt I will return to Phnom Penh, but for many people this is the ideal location and for those that enjoy it, I will not besmirch you your pleasures.

RS.

Muzungufotsy
06-17-22, 19:17
I'm really sorry to hear so many of you guys had a bad time in PP. I had a great time. I find the Khmer girls sweeter and better looking than the Thais. (I live in Thailand.) You don't get catered to sex tourist style like in Thailand. It takes a little more work up front getting to know the locals, but there's plenty of hot slippery pussy to be had in PP. You just have to go out with an open mind and see what the night brings. Oh and here's a pro tip: a long afternoon of day drinking isn't a good way to warm up for a hot night of pussy hunting. You guys know who I'm talking about. I see you all over town, and so do the ladies. It's not a good look.

By the time I left PP for a week in Siem Reap I had four ladies begging to go with me. Only one of them was a pro. Bus ticket, hotel, restaurant only. I take care you good every night! In hindsight I should have taken one, as SR in its current state is a total tourist trap / clip joint. Would not recommend. But PP is tons of fun. You just can't expect it to be like Pattaya where you can careen around shit faced, throw money in the air and still score.So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.

Chop
06-18-22, 11:29
So SR is crap SHV is crap but you want us to believe PP is great?' yeah sure. Like mentioned before Cambodia was great 15/20 years ago. When there were still hot VN girls around and they were providing good service. I don't think Khmer girls can give a decent BJ even now.

Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. Anyway I wonder why you stay in Thailand if you prefer Khmer girls.The only reason I'm down on SR at the moment is because it's so heavily tourist dependent, and the recent re-opening hasn't brought back the tourists yet. There's 20 touts waiting to pounce on every tourist and it's extremely annoying. I'm sure in another six months (or whatever post-covid recovery actually takes) it'll be back to good times.

As to the 15/20 years ago thing: I take all that with a huge grain of salt. If I've learned anything about my fellow expats it's that anyone that's been here a week longer than you will regale you endlessly about how great it was back in the good old days. I only care about right now, and right now both Thailand and Cambodia are pretty damned good.

RakSopheni
06-19-22, 06:10
Because Thailand is shit these days and Cambodia sounds less shit it doesn't mean Cambodia is actually good. I just spent a week in Cambodia after a month in Thailand and came to the opposite conclusion. What do people say is better about Cambodia, I just can't see it no matter how hard I look and ask? Conversely I had a great time in Thailand and am having a great time on Philippines, getting more sex in 24 hours here in Angeles than 1 week in PP.

RS.

Meo Den
06-19-22, 07:54
The Phnom Penh hostess bars and hostess girls were a super lot of fun back then in 2002 too. In fact, at the time I kind of preferred Phnom Penh over BKK or Pattaya even though it was never point and shoot place like Thailand. The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?

JimboCojones
06-19-22, 19:36
I rebooked my flight to the Philippines and am leaving here 4 days earlier than planned. I will take a small loss on the hotel, but so be it- there is no point in staying here. If you are a monger who likes sex, you should not come.

Last night after several nights of poor experiences I decided to go out not with the intention of trying to shoot my shot, but just to gather observations and experience the scene from a perspective without the urgency of trying to cum. I canvassed 118,130 and 136 street in totality, stopping at every bar and chatting and observing the ladies in the front for at least a few minutes, or going inside for a drink either by myself or with a lady of my choosing. The results of this were not good.

What I discovered is that Phnom Penh is not a mongering destination, but more a destination for people who like to buy drinks for destitute Cambodian girls and have awkward conversations in google translate that are difficult at best and boring and pointless at worst. I don't fault these girls for trying to make a living and doing what they can do to make a few bucks, but please lets not call them sex workers. And here several Board Members will protest- but RS I've been laid many times in PP. Yes, and the last time I was here 3 years ago I got laid as well- many times and it was great.

But, please let me continue. First of all, the quality of looks in all these girls is poor across the board- my slow and careful inspection last night revealed very few viable options. The girls that do look good will be very very young which presents two problems- firstly they will almost surely not go with you for Boom Boom, second- if they do they will perform poorly due to inexperience and shyness. Let me quickly add that I am not a bad looking dude- I'm fit and decent looking and dress well. The issue is not that I am an unfuckable monster. Furthermore, I like deepthroat, CIM, and other kinky things that these girls haven't the first clue about. When I relate these concerns to the mamasans, they will say of course they have plenty of open minded, experienced girls that will go with you for boom boom, and then proceed to usher over an old frumpy looking girl or two who surely have experience but would not be anything I would want to pay money for...Sad to hear that you had such a bad experience. I do understand your troubles though, it is very annoying when the girl suddenly is starting to act up when you're trying to take her out of the bar. That has still only happened 4-5 times to me which might be 25% of the times I've tried to take a girl out of the bar.

So while it can be very tricky at times, I don't think telling people to stay away from Phnom Penh is fair. There is plenty of sex to be had but it's just a bit different than Thailand and The Philippines. You can always ask the other staff in the bar as well which of the girls would like to go. They're not shy to help a friend out. VIP rooms can be a lot of fun as well if you have some cash to splurge. That does require some connections though which is not easy to find.

What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothels. It takes a while to figure out what is what. Prices are also all over the place when you're a foreigner. But I try not to exceed the fees I would pay in Thailand for similar services.

Meo Den
06-20-22, 07:46
What I do nowadays is go to massage parlors. These big giant places with affordable massages. Some of them are hit-an-miss, others are straight up brothelsI'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.

JimboCojones
06-20-22, 10:55
I'm interested in hearing more about these giant places with affordable massages, specifically the ones that are brothels.

Which ones do you recommend, names and locations?

If you can give me some leads I can post links to a few I've found online.Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

They send a few girls into the room and you can choose from them. Like the soapys in Bangkok they have bath tubs so the girl will wash you first. I know of 2 of these places but I'm sure there are more. The girls are from VN and seem to be in their early 20's. Fun experience but with my budget it's nothing I can do too often. I used to go to Massa quite often where I paid $10 for the massage and usually 30-40 bucks to the girl. Unfortunately they closed that place during the pandemic. There were also a few similar places in hotels, found the addresses online, but these didn't seem to survive COVID either. Cyrcee is usually fun but last time I went in the talent was not there. I'the like to support the guy though, as I like his business model.

Axel Heyst
06-20-22, 15:16
The hostess bars in 2002 ?

I'm intrigued as to what you mean by that. Where were the hostess bars, what were they called?The term "Hostess Bars" merely refers to the girly bars you will find on several side streets off the riverside (Preah Sisowath Quay) like 104st, 130st, and 136st. They are small bars usually with 5 to 25 girls. Just walk down these side streets after 8:30 pm and you will find lots of friendly faces. It is entertaining.

Back in 2002 my favorite Hostess Bar was Rose Bar on 104st. I had many good times in there. I think Rose Bar is still open. Check it out as well as the other bars on the above mentioned side streets. Lineups change week to week, month to month, so I have no idea which bars have the prettiest girls right now. You just have to go there and find out. The set up is a little like Soi 6 in Pattaya only Phnom Penh hostess bar girls are for take out except the buy me drink only hostess girls which we have been talking about recently and are generally a waste of time and money.

I remember back in 2015 I met this very sexy girl in Oasis Bar on 136st. I spent a lot of time with her and tried every thing I knew, applied all my charm and game, to get her to go to my hotel with me on several nights and all I got from her was a lot of in bar DFK, dirty dancing, tittie palming, under the table mutual groping & dick massages, and a large bar tab, 555, but she never let me shag her. But I still love her. Ha Ha Ha. The lesson I learned: don't waste a lot of time or money on buy me drink only hostess girls no matter how sexy cute they are.

Meo Den
06-22-22, 12:47
Sure we can exchange some information.

Another thing I forgot to say is that I went to one of the "massage" places advertised on FB as well.

They're a bit on the pricier side but I found one package that I felt was reasonable that set me back $125.

I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2w

JimboCojones
06-23-22, 10:05
I wouldn't class massages at those places as 'affordable'.

They are all over town. Find them on google maps.

I can't post the Chinese characters here or the google link as the forum can't handle them.

Attached pic of characters for Chinese readers.

The massage place on 252 has sort of reopened, downstairs. The room fee was $7 up until it closed, but given that many punters were happy to pay $15 that will have changed.

Paging RakSopheni. I just heard that Billionaire Bar is now charging a $30 'sit down' fee if a customer wants to talk to a hostess. This of course is the natural progression from punters buying ladydrinks. Next it will be just send the money. We don't even want to have to look at you (woops, sponsors already do that).

Where is the ghost of Noktang?

I'll pay for a haircut, but I won't pay to talk to a hairdresser.

Financial domination is a real thing and some men are clearly into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daTaCfx_E2wNo, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.

Meo Den
06-24-22, 08:13
No, it wasn't those places I considered affordable. I'm talking about big complexes with saunas and baths. The ones I go to are all around BKK3. There is half a dozen of them over there. A massage is usually $10 and extras vary from $30 to $70 in my experience.So as discussed, could you share some names and locations of these places?

$10 + circa $50 in a big complex with saunas and baths doesn't sound like too bad a deal.

Neidermeyer
07-09-22, 15:46
Firstly many thanks to BB, Racshack and Blanquiceleste. I really appreciate the advice and sharing.

In pre-Covid times I would roll my eyes at yet another "is the hotel GF" ask when the answer is always simply RTFF. However where we are now, for the time being at least it's a very different landscape than it was in 2019, so the more we can help each other navigate the new landscape the better. Communalism rather than individualism I guess.

I've got a great deal on a suite in Sun and Moon so I will check with the hotel as RacShack suggested and report back. And if I can dodge Covid from now until the my departure I'll post my experiences. First time out of Singapore for 3 years. Can't wait.

Cheers.

Norman.Gentlemen,

I contacted Sun and Moon to inquire about their current policies. FYI, below is the response I received.

"Unregistered Guest / Visitor Policy.

For security reasons the joiner / unregistered guest must register at front desk with his / her original ID card or passport. No copies are accepted. This identification document will be kept and sign the visitor form at the Front Office during his / her stay with SUN & MOON. The identification document will be returned upon check out, after confirmation by in-house guest via internal phone call.

-Unregistered guest must be above 18 years old and he / she will stay at his / her own risk and hotel management will not take any responsibility in any case of dispute, lost, damage or any injuries.

-Unregistered guest fee will be charged at USD 10.00 net without breakfast (Fee for towels, amenities etc.) unless guest book for double occupancy.

-Unregistered guest breakfast will be charged extra at USD 12.00 net per person.

-Vaccination Card will be required upon arrival (all kind of guests) and STRONGLY need to temperature test and other rollout SOP. ".

It seems like a potential hassle in the event the girl doesn't have all required info so I'm going to look for another place. Thanks for info.

Cheers,

Neidermeyer.

Mano112
07-11-22, 16:03
Hello Everyone.

I was planning my trip to Cambodia after 5 -6 days in Pattaya booked the TAO suite. Last trip pre covid was great in PP even though I was much more overweight then. However it seems that after covid19 things have changed in PP. I have had a hard time in Pattaya too cause I'm also Indian but was manageable. PP was still good. But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP especially since this will be the last time I will be visiting these destinations. Should I just ditch Pp and extend my stay in Pattaya? How bad is it in PP compared to Thailand?

Will also spend a few days in Malaysia, visiting a friend.
Thanks in advance guys.

Explorer8939
07-13-22, 07:24
I am staying at the Sun & Moon Urban hotel, nestled in amongst many lady bars. No lack of young ladies in the bars, but I brought a Cambodian lady with me. Next time, I come alone, for sure.

Gunners1
07-26-22, 02:56
Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life.

Thanks in advance.

G.

Sam Sanuk
07-26-22, 06:55
Dear all.

I have my maiden trip to phnom penh coming up in September. I am planning on staying at the rosewood hotel. I would greatly help if you could advise of that is a girl friendly hotel and if it is an ideal location to all the bars and night life..For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.

Gunners1
07-27-22, 14:50
Thanks SS.

I dropped you a DM.

G.


For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.

Dion Cassius
07-29-22, 15:55
For what that hotel charges, it should include "model level" companions. LOL Being a 5* property, it might not be guest friendly. That means either no guests allowed or an extra charge. My policy is to email the hotels directly and ask if I can bring a guest back to my room overnight and if there is any extra charge (indicating that I have reserved a room for two). I've always gotten straight answers from the hotels. And, I've printed out the hotel's response just in case there is a problem later.

As for location, the Rosewood is not in the best area for mongering activities. The best area would be along the Riverside and on Streets 104, 110, 130, 136, and 172. Most of the hotels in that area are 2 and 3 star. If you are looking for a 4 or 5 star hotel with ladies available, you might consider Naga World Hotel and Casino. It's a huge complex with inhouse KTV and lots of nice looking (and expensive) freelancers in the hotel bars and club.

PM me if I can be of more help.

SS.This is very good advice.

Dion Cassius
07-29-22, 16:00
But recent reports have really made me concerned about PP I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?

SouthEaster
07-30-22, 07:39
I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?

Sam Sanuk
07-31-22, 00:26
I was there just a few weeks ago. I am wondering about these reports too. Reports about what?Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.

Mano112
08-01-22, 06:47
Mano noted that he is Indian. There are many reports of a lot of ladies (at least in Thailand) refusing to do business with Indian men. It may be that there is a Hindi group that Mano belongs to that describes concerns not expressed on this and other boards.

I'll be in Cambo for 5 weeks starting next month. I don't foresee any concerns. I haven't heard of any new reasons for concern.

SS.Thanks for replying. I ended up not going to PP and extended my stay in Pattaya. Had a good time there. The reports I was referring to were those in the forums here in which people mentioned the scene is dead in Pp and girls don't go out with you just make you buy drinks. I also spoke to some old pp contacts and they were so rude to me. I didn't want to take any chances and I was doing good in Pattaya so pushed through. Indians face problems in Pattaya that is there but I go alone and dress up well. In spite of this I used to get rejected. The gogo bars do push us Indians extra for lady drinks but I decided to cave in. My average gogo bill was 1400-1500 baht. I don't know when or if at all I would come back so didn't care much. Making money is a lot lot more difficult in India than western countries hence we in general are so frugal plus a weaker currency. But this is not Pattaya problem right. Anyways I'm sure in the next decade half of Pattaya will cater to Indians only. There is a hell lot of Indian investment I saw this time. Easily 60-70% men were Indians on walking street. The Siam Bayshore hotel was packed with Indians. Also for a long period of time Pattaya definitely has more entertainment it's a bigger playground plus the scene is getting better. Girls have come in in spite of the low season all this is because of covid. The weed scene is going to be the next big thing here. It was a roller coaster ride but had fun.

Mano112
08-01-22, 06:56
I don't see any source of concern regarding Phnom Penh. And I live there. What are you referring to?Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. In fact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.

RakSopheni
08-01-22, 14:53
Some earlier posts on this forum by other users mentioned not having a great time in Pp for multiple reasons. I ended up not going. In lady bars you may buy drinks but the girls won't go out with you those reports plus other things I read. I was enjoying Pattaya so extended my stay there. Infact as per my initial plan I was going to stay in Pp for most of time because my 2019 pp trip was good. Also being Indian didn't matter in Cambodia as much it did in Pattaya. I also spoke to some old pp contacts they were also rude to me and so all this made me not go.You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.

Dion Cassius
08-01-22, 16:38
You might be referring to my posts from earlier in the summer, and good call on avoiding- I personally have no interest in returning. I've said it before and I will say it again- if you are used to the point and shoot ease of Pattaya, Phnom Penh is jarring and discouraging. Only a couple of girls at each bar are available for take-out and they are usually older and less attractive.

It could be that PP enthusiasts that post here often have become acclimated to this situation and / or have a different mode of mongering that involves a longer investment of time and energy and is based more on conversations and relationship building. I think PP would be well suited for a permanent expat with a lower sex drive that wanted a P4 P girlfriend or two, but for the short time tourist looking for quick sex, it is largely a wash.

RS.I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.

After COVID, a lot of girls were back in the bars and "hungry".

RakSopheni
08-01-22, 17:26
I understand that Phnom Penh isn't as large a playground as Pattaya and it is true that my point of view might be different from a tourist's perspective. Nevertheless, I know plenty of mongers who keep coming back to PP, so it cannot be so bad.
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.

MrClen
08-01-22, 22:48
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.I lived in Bangkok many years ago. It was during Nam and I was there for one year. AHHH! Those were the days! I don'[think I would go back now as I am 80 years old and in good shape, but the "point and shoot" is not my thing. I now go to China quite often (before Covid) and love the KTV'S. An evenings fun, singing, dancing, and play time then off to your hotel with your pick or picks for the night. No interest in a quick in and out, next, that's for the 20 year olds. I have been to KTV in Cambodia and plenty of beautiful girls and good times. Visited the 136 street and others but didn't do much for me. My point is that if you are looking for as many as you can do in short period of time, then Thailand is probably the place for you.

Dion Cassius
08-03-22, 09:25
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.The answer is very simple: business opportunity. Plus, I already knew the country pretty well. I agree with you, traffic in PP can be a real pain but it can be mitigated if you ride a motorcycle as I do, and there are better options for mongering: Thailand and the Philippines for example. But I am far happier in PP than in Beirut where I used to live before.

Rick Rock
08-15-22, 15:11
Dion Cassius, I'm curious what contributed to your decision to settle in Phnom Penh full time as opposed to another country / city? Although many expats say PP is cheap, a quick Numbeo (https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/) comparison between Pattaya or Angeles reveals this is not the case. Additionally I found PP to be crowded and not very easy to navigate both times I visited. I do love the Cambodian people, but from the perspective of cost, infrastructure, and mongering options it seems like there are better choices. And yet a significant number of Expats chose PP. Curious what they see that I don't. Thanks.

RS.The ability to walk off of a plane unannounced and purchase a visa.

The ability to extend that visa indefinitely with no questions asked with $150.

Use of the US dollar.

The fact that foreigners are basically left alone and not bothered at all unless / until they fuck up in a way that causes police attention.

Nothing like it in Asia.

Of course it is still a third world country. But unlike say Malaysia or Thailand, it doesn't try to pretend otherwise.

Gunners1
08-21-22, 04:14
Dear Rick.

Please clear your inbox. Trying to DM you.


The ability to walk off of a plane unannounced and purchase a visa.

The ability to extend that visa indefinitely with no questions asked with $150.

Use of the US dollar.

The fact that foreigners are basically left alone and not bothered at all unless / until they fuck up in a way that causes police attention.

Nothing like it in Asia.

Of course it is still a third world country. But unlike say Malaysia or Thailand, it doesn't try to pretend otherwise.

Card Boy
08-23-22, 23:24
Hi guys,

Is Pontoon Club open and the atmosphere similar to what it used to be before COVID?

What is with the outdoor bar next to Pontoon?

Dion Cassius
08-24-22, 08:34
Hi guys,

Is Pontoon Club open and the atmosphere similar to what it used to be before COVID?

What is with the outdoor bar next to Pontoon?I can't tell you. I have only been there once and it was ages ago.

But given how things recovered elsewhere, I would think that it is back to normal.

Dragonfly22
09-06-22, 16:26
I can't tell you. I have only been there once and it was ages ago.

But given how things recovered elsewhere, I would think that it is back to normal.Yes Pontoon is open and crazier and expensive as ever.

Cordonier
09-09-22, 11:56
Thanks for the information.

Can you give an idea of the prices?

In 2017, I easily found at 30 or 40 $ the st, 50 the LT.


Yes Pontoon is open and crazier and expensive as ever.

Gunners1
09-21-22, 06:19
Greetings.

Spent a few nights here in Phnom penh and my word it was truly memorable.

Hopped a few bars on Riverside. There is not much of a crowd here and the bars are packed with girls desperate to please. They quality might not be up there but I am sure there is atleast 2 or 3 that will be of your taste.

The drinks for the girls range about 4-5 usd. I did visit those with a long time resident and member of this forum Dion. Who very gratefully showed me to a few famous bars. We had minimum of 3 girls by our side and a few bars we had the entire bar to ourselves. The girls were all over us and there was never a moment when a hand was not under my shorts. The girls were continuing to feel every inch of me and ensure I was well pampered. For 3 hours spend we had a great night.

On one of the bars I was treated to a BBBJ with CIM for an extra 20 usd. All this done in front of the other girls. While one of them even licked me and the other game me her nipples to suck on. A great experience. She gulped the entire load and washed it down with her drink.

IMHO I would rate this place better than saigon due to abundance of bars and friendly ladies.

Enjoy folks. And thanks Dion again.

G.

Dion Cassius
09-21-22, 11:21
Enjoy folks. And thanks Dion again.

G.You are very welcome and I am glad you enjoyed your time in Phnom Penh.

Houston Player
09-21-22, 11:32
You are very welcome and I am glad you enjoyed your time in Phnom Penh.I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.

Gunners1
09-21-22, 12:44
Infact the bar I was in all three girls were desperate to come to my room and spend the night. They made a deal of 60 dollars per person for 3 girls. And were willing to waive the bar fine of 15 usd. Buy I declined as I was not keen.

There are some real gems out there. But you have to weed through the hard core pros to find the diamond you flew all the way here for. It ain't easy but it's definitely available.

G.


I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.

Johnie
09-21-22, 13:51
Greetings.

Spent a few nights here in Phnom penh and my word it was truly memorable.

Hopped a few bars on Riverside. There is not much of a crowd here and the bars are packed with girls desperate to please. They quality might not be up there but I am sure there is atleast 2 or 3 that will be of your taste.

The drinks for the girls range about 4-5 usd. I did visit those with a long time resident and member of this forum Dion. Who very gratefully showed me to a few famous bars. We had minimum of 3 girls by our side and a few bars we had the entire bar to ourselves. The girls were all over us and there was never a moment when a hand was not under my shorts. The girls were continuing to feel every inch of me and ensure I was well pampered. For 3 hours spend we had a great night.

On one of the bars I was treated to a BBBJ with CIM for an extra 20 usd. All this done in front of the other girls. While one of them even licked me and the other game me her nipples to suck on. A great experience. She gulped the entire load and washed it down with her drink.Hi Gunners1,

I will be there early next year. In which bar did you get the BBBJ and CIM?

Please share.

Johnie.

Dion Cassius
09-23-22, 01:32
I was in Phnom Penh last week and I had a good time but I struggled to get the younger better looking ladies to barfine. They were fine with drinking and playing in the bar but many didn't want to barfine.

Next time I might send you a private message to see if you're up for showing us around. Spent most of our time at the bars between 101 and 136 streets.You can send me a MP when you plan going back to PP.

SGK45
09-24-22, 06:11
I am in pp now.

Can one of your gentlemen refer me to places that offer CIP without hassle.

I am only game for CIP and not anything less. CIP used to be the standard there.

I don't mind freelancers. Get to my inbox if you are know more contacts or bars you can refer to me.

PrincyGsl
09-26-22, 20:25
Hi, I am visiting Phnom Penh 5th October to 7th October. Anyone can help to provide contact details of freelancer or massage with full survice. Help someone is really thankful.

Mlang
10-05-22, 21:49
I will land in Phnom Penh tomorrow, I'll be there for a week and then I'll be heading to Malaysia and Philippines. First time in Phnom Penh for me. I know the drill in other places like Thailand, but I've read that it is significantly more difficult to get some action in Cambodia. I'm mainly looking for full service. What are the options for ST / LT FS in PP?

From what I've gathered on this forum and other places, the options for FS are limited. If any members with experience in Phnom Penh could share, it would be appreciated. Which of the following ways is the best to get ST FS?

- Are there freelancers offering ST / LT in different streets? Which streets?

- Do the massage parlors offer FS or just BJs / HJs?

- How easy is it to find freelancers trough online apps like Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, and so on? Anything country-specific for Cambodia, like ThaiFriendly for Thailand?

- Are there Telegram groups to contact freelancers in Cambodia? When I was in Thailand I successfully used Sideline, or Telegram other groups, and they worked great for me in Bangkok. There are these groups where freelancers (or their agents) post some sort of ads with their services and photos. I had some of my best experiences in Thailand using these Telegram groups, is there anything similar in Cambodia?

Sam Sanuk
10-06-22, 17:19
I assume you've planned this trip / arrival to Cambodia for some time. (Not just a few days ago.) You will probably already be in country by the time you get a response. Ssuggestion: survey the reports on this board; hit the hostess bars on Streets 104-136; find a farang who will be able to answer your questions.

SS.


I will land in Phnom Penh tomorrow, I'll be there for a week and then I'll be heading to Malaysia and Philippines. First time in Phnom Penh for me. I know the drill in other places like Thailand, but I've read that it is significantly more difficult to get some action in Cambodia. I'm mainly looking for full service. What are the options for ST / LT FS in PP?

From what I've gathered on this forum and other places, the options for FS are limited. If any members with experience in Phnom Penh could share, it would be appreciated. Which of the following ways is the best to get ST FS?

- Are there freelancers offering ST / LT in different streets? Which streets?

- Do the massage parlors offer FS or just BJs / HJs?

- How easy is it to find freelancers trough online apps like Tinder, Bumble, Badoo, and so on? Anything country-specific for Cambodia, like ThaiFriendly for Thailand?

- Are there Telegram groups to contact freelancers in Cambodia? When I was in Thailand I successfully used Sideline, or Telegram other groups, and they worked great for me in Bangkok. There are these groups where freelancers (or their agents) post some sort of ads with their services and photos. I had some of my best experiences in Thailand using these Telegram groups, is there anything similar in Cambodia?

Red Rider
10-23-22, 08:12
I was just in Phnom Penh and found action was cheap and easy. I stayed at the TAO Residence on the waterfront (girl-friendly). It is only a short walk to Street 130 and 134. In spite of how it sounds, these two streets are only a block apart and all the girly bars are in the last two blocks toward the river.

The girls seem to be out early in the evening, although I saw some as early as noon. As you walk down the street they will call to you trying to get you to come over. Actually during the daylight or just around sunset is a good time to find a girl as they are easier to see and check out than when it is dark.

If you spot one or two to your liking, you just walk over. Make eye-contact with the one you are interested in and ignore the others clamoring for you. The mama will suggest you go inside. There it is dark and they have cushy seats to sit on. The girl will sit next to you and rub your leg and / or kiss you. The mama will want you to buy a drink for yourself and the girl ($5. 50). She will want one for herself, too, but just say no. The bar fine is $12 to $15.

If the girl does not speak good English, the mama will interpret. Give them your requirements and when it is all agreed to, you are off to your hotel. It couldn't be easier.

My first night I picked a very enthusiastic 33 year old. She was DFKing me at the bar before we ever left. It only got better once in the room. I had read here that the Khmer women may not be into everything (BBBJ, DFK, DATY), but I found that not to be the case. We had a wild, unrushed session. Total damage was $65.50 (but who is counting?

Mosquito2002
10-24-22, 04:50
Last time I visited Cambodia was in 2008, stayed for a month at Walkabout (think that's the correct name of the place, it's been a long and hard 16 years. Paid like 12.00 a day.

Already know that place is long gone, but planning on visiting some old stomping grounds. Shanghai, Sharky, Pontoon and HOD.

Financial situation a little better, so will be staying at NagaWorld this time around. Any info on Darling Darling would be appreciated, along with Casino Ladies.

Have my Cambodia e-visa approved, cell phone roaming upgraded, Naga APPT 55.00 per night deal reservations and airline tickets.

Only planning on having 1000.00 in cash on me upon arrival and just hitting the ATMs as needed.

Found it a bit strange that NagaWorld doesn't accept American Express for both room bookings and cash advances?? Do ATMs in Cambodia accept American Express??

Have a MasterCard, but usual use my American Express when traveling for points.

Oh, staying for 6 days and have some time to maybe make a short trip out of PP.

Any info / suggestions for my trip will be appreciated.

Volterra
10-24-22, 12:44
Thanks for the update. That's great to hear! I'd shared similar concerns as Mlang and some others over the past few months that maybe bar fining wasn't that easy anymore. And sorry to say that some recent posts haven't been altogether helpful with 2022 details beyond whetting our appetites (seems obvious that older posts are of limited relevance now). So this is good information and much appreciated. Just a couple of follow up questions, if you don't mind:

- It sounds like TAO residence is uber convenient for bringing girls back. How are you finding TAO residence for overall stay and value, together with your night activities?

- Was $65.60 Short Time or Long Time / overnight? Sounds like it was a single session - 1 q only, or 2?

Cheers, and greatly looking forward to my December PP adventure.


I was just in Phnom Penh and found action was cheap and easy. I stayed at the TAO Residence on the waterfront (girl-friendly). It is only a short walk to Street 130 and 134. In spite of how it sounds, these two streets are only a block apart and all the girly bars are in the last two blocks toward the river.

The girls seem to be out early in the evening, although I saw some as early as noon. As you walk down the street they will call to you trying to get you to come over. Actually during the daylight or just around sunset is a good time to find a girl as they are easier to see and check out than when it is dark.

If you spot one or two to your liking, you just walk over. Make eye-contact with the one you are interested in and ignore the others clamoring for you. The mama will suggest you go inside. There it is dark and they have cushy seats to sit on. The girl will sit next to you and rub your leg and / or kiss you. The mama will want you to buy a drink for yourself and the girl ($5. 50). She will want one for herself, too, but just say no. The bar fine is $12 to $15.

Paolo99
10-24-22, 17:17
- It sounds like TAO residence is uber convenient for bringing girls back. How are you finding TAO residence for overall stay and value, together with your night activitiesI stayed there one night a few years ago (pre-covid) and found it not worth the 60 dollars per night, that's why I stayed just a day.

The room in itself was good and big. But I didn't have the riverside view, mine was on the first floor and directed on the street.

The street was not considered to be safe at night (at least from the night clerk's view), so he was closing the entrance doors at night.

It's very annoying when you come back late at night and have to knock on the door to wake him up, especially when you're accompanied by a prostitute.

Others on this forum said they were satisfied by the place but I found it way overpriced.

Red Rider
10-25-22, 14:48
TAO has been recently updated and is very nice. I couldn't have been happier. The only nit is that it is one of those places that the air conditioning and lights go out when you leave. Otherwise, I would highly recommend it.

Any savvy traveler knows to leave all but one of their credit cards, extra cash and passport in their safe when they are out. I was out every night and didn't worry, nor see anything out of the ordinary.

The $65.50 was for 1 girl ST. She was not a clock watcher (she came twice with DATY, so maybe she was distracted).

As you leave the bar to head to the hotel, other girls will offer to come along and join in, so that option is there.

Red Rider.

Volterra
10-27-22, 12:15
Cheers to both Red Rider and Paolo99. Sounds like there have been a bunch of places in PP and BKK finishing up their post covid touch ups in time for December travelers. I'll try out a few guest friendlies to see which ones work for me, but I'll also check out the TAO. Sounds like your ST was a nice meal. Hope I can find similar dining options. I'll jot some thoughts down in January after my new year's rampage (if I survive). Gearing up for it!

DingoD
10-28-22, 04:02
So like everyone-after 2 plus years of being locked up, finally got to release the shackles and spend 4 weeks back in Cambodia covering mid September until mid October.

I am a long time and experienced traveller to Cambodia, now pushing 15 years since first time here and this would be trip number 20 something. Time was spent approx 2 weeks in Phnom Penh and somewhere between a week and 2 weeks travelling to other parts of the county to catch up wit family and friends. Other parts mainly being Kampot and Battambang!

Personals circumstances dictate that my best time to get away for some fun play time is early afternoon to evening, however interspread were certainly some night time fun as well.

Firstly, Phnom Penh, the girly bar scene is certainly alive and kicking. Looks like there has been some bar closures and some renamed etc (sadly Mr Butterfly Bar is no longer. Kinda missed the $20 blow and go services there from years past) - but all in all things are pretty much the same. And that means that some bars can be very hit and miss, the talent to me seems similar to before, a couple of decent hotties in most bars mixed with some older long time workers, fresh from the Provence girls with little English, buy me drink princesses. The entire gamut of options.

Now to list which bars where better etc- I always find can be of not much value as things change frequently- girls come and go etc. So I had some fun and took a nice late 20's hottie from Step Wife Bar on 136 one night. Individual prices / bar fines etc have become a blur to me, so from a bar fines perspective the going rate seems to be approx $10 - $15. Lady drinks seem to in the range of $3. 50 $5. 00 dependant upon the bar. I don't go in too Cheap Charlie and be thrifty on the lady drinks, nor do I get sucked into 4 girls hovering around the table all wanting a drink when I have set my laser focus on the one I want to nail that night. So for first time travellers or inexperienced Phnom Penh mongers I know you can easily fall into the trap of buying numerous girls in the same bar at your table numerous drinks, and this can cause your bill to be far larger than you would have expected come the end of your drinking session. So that's just a word of warning to the uninitiated!

Given I have above average Khmer language skills I tend to have fun times and good conversations with the girls in the bars and also I think the language helps me in negotiations as well. Again- this is not a hard and fast rule, just my personal approach is I tend to pay between $30 - $50 for short time. Some will say that's too little, others will argue too much, whatever, it's where I set my own monger budget and it works for me.

So I played mainly in streets 136,130 and 118- wandered but didn't shop in streets 5 or 110 as I have on previous trips. Found a nice very playful girl via WeChat who works at HeartBreak bar on 118 who I booked a couple of times, once during the day before her shift began- fun times.

Whilst I stated most bars are a blur and pretty similar in my eyes, Tokyo Bar on 118 , a big fancy double fronted bar with lots of hot girls out the front is a dud. It's just bland and sterile. I have a feeling it's set up for Asian travellers who are happy to throw many hundreds or dollars around per night. Honourable mentions for places I had fun go to Pussycat Bar on 136 and Island Bar on 118.

From a freelancer perspective, as mentioned, I use WeChat as an app to hunt, with mixed results. Seemed to be a higher number of lady boys this time round if that's your thing, but I did find a nice young thing who worked at a massage shop and obviously uses WeChat to drum up some alternate solo business on the side. I paid $30 short time, meeting at dodgy St 136 guest houses!

Also Riverside freelancers where aplenty once the sun went down. Pick yourself a park bench, turn your back to the street and face the river and your will have numerous girls (and again lady boys) trying to grab your eye, give you a little wave, or unashamedly just come up and sit next to you and start the negotiations, it's ain't too subtle but each party knows what we are there for! For me this was the cheapest and nastiest experiences with $20 easily accepted, plus the $8- $10 guest house fee dependant upon where they suggested!

So other areas- Kampot I was with the wife and family / friends a lot, so no time to play. We did do some girly bar hopping and whilst I wouldn't say from what I saw the talent was exceptional, many bars have sprung up since I was last in Kampot in early 2020. Speaking to a girl we know who owns / manages a bar, like herself, she has said many of the bars are consequence of bar owners leaving Sihanoukville and setting up in Kampot. Don't hold me to the accuracy of the numbers but I would say they are probably 20 odd girly bars now in Kampot spread across the river front and back along the old market buildings immediately as you walk off the river front. So I can't vouch for prices or quality of services BUT I can assure you there is now a mini scene in Kampot!

As for Battambang. WeChat came to the rescue with a very tight young bodied hottie. She started asking $100, she ended up receiving $50 , and a decent pounding!!

And also in Battambang, approx 10 pm one night with our driver, stumbled across so good freelance action on street 127 , which is like a one way little promenade with gardens in the middle-girls sitting on park benches dressed in obvious "come pay to fuck me" clothes. So took a decent looker from there and was happy to pay $30 for a nice session (plus guesthouse room fee).

So all in all a damn good trip. Was so good to finally get back and play in Cambodia after more than 2. 5 years. Generally travel back every 6-9 months so it was a long time between drinks (and bar girl pussy LOL).

Plans to return likely in March 2023 - so I will keep my eyes peeled to the Phnom Penh Forum for latest on the ground reports. Happy to answer any questions people may have as well.

Stay safe and enjoy the punt.

DingoD.

Lefeu
10-28-22, 06:55
So like everyone-after 2 plus years of being locked up, finally got to release the shackles and spend 4 weeks back in Cambodia covering mid September until mid October.


...Firstly, Phnom Penh, the girly bar scene is certainly alive and kicking. Looks like there has been some bar closures and some renamed etc (sadly Mr Butterfly Bar is no longer. Kinda missed the $20 blow and go services there from years past) - but all in all things are pretty much the same. And that means that some bars can be very hit and miss, the talent to me seems similar to before, a couple of decent hotties in most bars mixed with some older long time workers, fresh from the Provence girls with little English, buy me drink princesses. The entire gamut of options.

...Also Riverside freelancers where aplenty once the sun went down. Pick yourself a park bench, turn your back to the street and face the river and your will have numerous girls (and again lady boys) trying to grab your eye, give you a little wave, or unashamedly just come up and sit next to you and start the negotiations, it's ain't too subtle but each party knows what we are there for! For me this was the cheapest and nastiest experiences with $20 easily accepted, plus the $8- $10 guest house fee dependant upon where they suggested!

DingoD.Nice report DD!

You did not mention anything about Darling, the pick up club in the casino. Do you know if that's back in business? How about Cyrcee?

DingoD
10-28-22, 07:37
Nice report DD!

You did not mention anything about Darling, the pick up club in the casino. Do you know if that's back in business? How about Cyrcee?Sorry. How did I forget my time at Cyrcee! YES. Still open, operating and still the best place for guaranteed 100% no bullshit action. Besides the compulsory lady drink. Like normal, entered, swarmed by 5 girls. Told to pick one, did, was then left alone. Funny thing was going on with the other girls though, they were getting beers from outside and sneaking them pass the prying eyes of the French owner and drinking them in lieu of a slow night BUT the cans they were buying were unrefrigerated, and obviously boss man doesn't allow them to drink outside drinks and use the house ice, so my girl kept asking for her last drink to be topped up with ice and then he other girls would sneak across, grab the ice out of her glass, and then use that for their warm beers!!

I took a hottie, as she said the boss knew me I was able to use the in house upstairs rooms. Think the price was $50 for the girl and $12 for the room-the girl I took said this very young thin looking spinner was her niece and I should take her too.hmmmm. I'll leave that treat for 2023!!

As for Darling Darling. Not in my rotation, the Mrs allows me to take off to girly bars knowing I like a drink and to causally play and flirt with girls (and as much as I believe that's all I think she thinks I do) BUT Darling Darling would likely be a step too far in the obvious "I'm a sleazin around bad bad hubby" LOL.

DingoD.

Lefeu
10-29-22, 05:15
Sorry. How did I forget my time at Cyrcee! YES. Still open, operating and still the best place for guaranteed 100% no bullshit action. Besides the compulsory lady drink. Like normal, entered, swarmed by 5 girls...I just love that place! I've met some sweet girls there and I always had a great time. One becomes a mongering hero there, as girls swarm over you and each one of them pleads for her case. One year, my wingman took 4 girls to the room. Not sure how they could all fit in those tiny rooms, but they were dirt cheap.

UngaBang
11-17-22, 05:10
So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.

Lefeu
11-18-22, 05:53
So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.There is a ton of information in this thread on how to find girls and how much they cost, but you need to read a few more pages. Good luck.

Tacoma101
11-19-22, 17:30
I'm currently in Vietnam and the nearby feature is definitely active on the LINE app. Soooo many offers for services. I'm hoping that's a viable option for a Cambodia. I'll be there in December.

Taco.


So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.

2. I see that Tao residencies is basically full. Is there any other property which is similar (is a residency) on the riverside and is girl friendly.

Sam Sanuk
11-24-22, 10:04
So I went through the forums and have gathered basic info regarding my upcoming trip. But I still have some questions. Hoping someone can help me out with them:

1. How do you find freelancers? I understand that there are freelancers in the lobby of NagaWorld2, so looks like I'm going to have to be there for a week, but apart from them. Zalo and line had closed their nearby services in Vietnam. I think same might be the case with Phnom Penh.Freelancer options are significantly fewer than just a few years ago. Legacy freelancer joints like Martini and Walkabout are long gone. I reached out to a group of guys who live in PP or visit often. Their assessment is the same as mine. Not a lot of choice. You have the upscale Nagaworld chicks, you can find them at Pontoon, and you have the streetwalkers around what Phnom and along the riverside. Unless you are comfortable with druggies, potential thieves, and assorted issues, I'd stay clear of the streetwalkers. Though beer gardens around the city also offer potential (and known to a Khmer professional sort and friend), it should be noted that if you don't speak Khmer (or your target doesn't speak English), you'd be wasting your time. I'm unsure if Pontoon is even open at this moment. Conflicting reports and YouTube videos could have been edited or posted months or years ago and reposted recently. If I were you, I'd settle for the hostess bars. You won't save any money, but you might save yourself unnecessary grief.

SS.

John Traveller
12-12-22, 06:44
So I am back in Phnom Penh, eight years since my last visit. I had some good times here in the 2011-2014 period. Last night when I had a look at the hostess bars, I remembered why I stopped coming here: the skyrocketing prices starting in 2014. Yesterday I was quoted 80 dollars (for st, although it seemed to be the same for lt). Is this the common price now? Can it be lowered by haggling? Without appearing as a fool, I mean. 80 usd (+15 for the barfine) is a lot compared to other similar options in Cambodia (see below) and in other Asian countries (esp Phils, Thai). I will check out Cyrcee bar today, they have another style there. I have had good times there before. Another place I liked was Yang Mey massage at street 252 #28. Probably gone after such a long time, but are there similar places today?

Cambodia, December 2022.

DanielDuran
12-12-22, 17:18
Riverside:

- While it is possible to find partner there at anytime, people (40% girls, 60% ladyboys) will only approach you in the evening (from 9 pm until 4 am).

- At night the riverside is said to be dangerous (see below) and it is. But I still ventured at 2 am everyday.

Problems faced:

1. $5 massage shop, convinced me to come in for $10 massage + sex (stupid me). I enter the room, hanged my trouser on the hook next to the wall. The wall actually has a whole used to go inside my trouser to steal the money. The whole cannot be seen because it is hidden by a curtain. Ingenious really. Damage: $80.

2. Riverside: I chatted with a girl while waiting for my girl (which I had planned to meet). After my girl arrived, the girl I was chatting with got really upset, started to follow us, gathered more people who ultimately surrounded the tuktuk we were trying to run away with, asking money to let us leave. Negotiated down from $100 to $40, and insisted on a group hug afterwards. I did not dare to go out the next night. That was at 2 am.

I would say these type of thing can happen, but not more than that. It's obviously not pleasant, and stressful (my girl was actually crying of stress afterwards) but it not life life threatening.

Recommendation: Never carry more than $40 with you.

3. People approach you asking if you want "young lady". Obviously a scam to suck you thousands threatening to call police and NGO if you fall into it. Luckily not my thing. Don't even talk to them, they can use the conversation to threaten you also. Just run away.

Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

- 1 ladyboy from riverside (midnight): $25. Dick could not fit in.

- 1 ladyboy from wechat: $25 agreed, paid $30. Nice, and we had a good chat also.

- 1 boy from tinder, looking for relationship, no sex.

None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people there.

- Tinder: mostly people looking for serious relationships.

- Wechat (people near me): works well. Clearly a few pros there. Price quoted ranged from $30 to $200 (and the $200 was non negotiable). Those Chinese are ruining markets by overpaying for everything. They are the favorite customer: small dick not painful and pays generously. Not there are no Chinese there due to China covid situation. So white is next best thing.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east rather!

Johnie
12-13-22, 02:44
Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

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None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east.

Great. Report Daniel and thank you. I am regarded. As a kind "old man" and am known for treating women well and fairly. Would appreciate you forwarding her contact details if would. I will be there in February.

Johnie.

Caramello777
12-13-22, 04:39
After having travelled to the Philippines, Thailand and Vietnam numerous times, I finally decided to give Cambodia a try. Had it not been for Angkor what, I would not have made the trip due to higher P4 P costs here compared to Thailand.

I'm glad I made the trip.

My first stop was in Phnom Phen for two nights. It was a short flight from Bangkok and there are some very nice hotel bargains in PP.

The forum spoke highly of Cyrcee so I decided to give this a shot. My first stop that night was to NagaWorld to walk around the casino. There was a nice hostess bar next door, named Darlin Darlin Music Bar. There were some very beautiful ladies standing side-by-side at the bar awaiting an invitation to come to your table to drink. It was weird, in that the place was full of foreign men sitting at their tables in groups of 2 and 3 with no ladies sitting and drinking with them. This was a dead giveaway that not only were the lady drink prices high, but there was probably a related fee for their time. I flirted with one for about 15 minutes then finally invited her over. Man, what a rip off. The ladies were asking $200 usd for all night. Not sure what the bar fine was on top of that. Her drink was $12 usd and she tried to game me by saying that because she sat with me and I didn't take her, that her boss was going to charge her $50 usd. I almost spit my drink out. That was hilarious. I told her to bring her manager over here and I would take care of the issue. Needless to say, I didn't pay that and neither did she request him to come over. I got her number to connect with her the next night. I never called her. Later that evening I found my fun street.

From Darlin Darlin I took a tuktuk to Cyrcee. However, on the way the driver went down Street 136. It had hostess bar after hostess bar with large groups of ladies yelling for men to come in for a drink. I was thinking, "my kind of street". Then he took a few turns and was going down a dark street on the way to Cyrcee. I told him to take me back to Street 136 as I wasn't sure if I were about to be taken to a dark alley and rolled for my cash. He turned around and dropped me off at a bar named 'The Lady Bar'. I remember reading that they want you to choose one (to come inside and drink with you) so I picked a young stunner. We had two drinks. Then I paid her $15 bar fine and agreed to $100 usd for all night 9 pm to 10 am. I knew the prices were high, but she was a stunner. We woke up around 8 am and went for breakfast. Came back and got my last smash in. It was a great time. Their mileage is very low, so this was a new, exciting and addicting experience for me.

The next night I went back to Street 136 and picked another bar who had a mature lady sitting outside. She agreed to the same deal as the night before. It was 7 pm. She had a kid at home so I agreed she could leave at 6 am.

Never made it to Cyrcee. Phnom Penh is expensive compared to Thailand, Philippines and Vietnam, but it was fun. The population there is around 2. 5 to 3 million. The women aren't as experienced (lower mileage) and have a different look than neighboring countries. It was a fun experience. These notes are more for me if / when I return.

Tacoma101
12-13-22, 04:46
Great report! Arriving this evening. Happy to take that's gals contact info and some pictures, if you have any.

Taco.


Riverside:

- While it is possible to find partner there at anytime, people (40% girls, 60% ladyboys) will only approach you in the evening (from 9 pm until 4 am).

- At night the riverside is said to be dangerous (see below) and it is. But I still ventured at 2 am everyday.

Problems faced:

1. $5 massage shop, convinced me to come in for $10 massage + sex (stupid me). I enter the room, hanged my trouser on the hook next to the wall. The wall actually has a whole used to go inside my trouser to steal the money. The whole cannot be seen because it is hidden by a curtain. Ingenious really. Damage: $80.

2. Riverside: I chatted with a girl while waiting for my girl (which I had planned to meet). After my girl arrived, the girl I was chatting with got really upset, started to follow us, gathered more people who ultimately surrounded the tuktuk we were trying to run away with, asking money to let us leave. Negotiated down from $100 to $40, and insisted on a group hug afterwards. I did not dare to go out the next night. That was at 2 am.

I would say these type of thing can happen, but not more than that. It's obviously not pleasant, and stressful (my girl was actually crying of stress afterwards) but it not life life threatening.

Recommendation: Never carry more than $40 with you.

3. People approach you asking if you want "young lady". Obviously a scam to suck you thousands threatening to call police and NGO if you fall into it. Luckily not my thing. Don't even talk to them, they can use the conversation to threaten you also. Just run away.

Encountered:

- 1 girl from riverside (11 pm): $30, super good service, including kissing and anal rimming.

- 1 girl from riverside (2 pm): this was more like girlfriend relationship. We met 4 days in a raw. She was so sweet and nice. But she was clearly in business. But never asked money. Everyday I slipped $20 in her bag. She cannot read (so sad.). Happy to provide contact to someone kind.

- 1 ladyboy from riverside (midnight): $25. Dick could not fit in.

- 1 ladyboy from wechat: $25 agreed, paid $30. Nice, and we had a good chat also.

- 1 boy from tinder, looking for relationship, no sex.

None of them created any problem or stole any money. I got lucky I think.

Ways to meet people:

- Bars are full of options. I usually don't like bars, but they are a safe way to proceed.

- Riverside, I got lucky, but a lot of shit people there.

- Tinder: mostly people looking for serious relationships.

- Wechat (people near me): works well. Clearly a few pros there. Price quoted ranged from $30 to $200 (and the $200 was non negotiable). Those Chinese are ruining markets by overpaying for everything. They are the favorite customer: small dick not painful and pays generously. Not there are no Chinese there due to China covid situation. So white is next best thing.

It's the wild wide west! Or wild wide east rather!

John Traveller
12-13-22, 12:46
I arrived at 8 pm at Cyrcee secret bar, PP. Nine girls were present, some upwalkers, but I said I wanted to have a drink first before I decided. Only three of the girls looked good, the rest were chubby. One in background smiled so I asked here to come along: Nona, 23. We walked 5 minutes to a short time hotel. She was very nice, I asked here to continue BBBJ, good. Finished cowgirl cfs, energic girl! 16 to bar (drinks and barfine), 50 to girl, 8 to hotel. Amounts in usd. All the same procedure as in 2014, but at a new location. The hotel was better this time!

Cambodia December 2022.

Volterra
12-14-22, 13:35
I'm just in Phnom Penh at the beginning of an extended Cambodia-Thailand holiday. First time to PP, so I want to take in the city first and gradually start my indulgences. The first few days are mainly sightseeing (cool city vibe) and making some online connections with girls. I'm doing an airbnb for a few days, which is not guest friendly, but I've been laying some ground work for several hotels I'll stay at and getting on various apps to see what might be arranged in advance. I start my mongering activities tomorrow, but there are early signs of good activity, including an unexpected HJ, that I thought I'd pass on here as an intro.

First, I've gotten on several apps (Tinder, Skout, Thai Friendly, Wechat) and can say that it has been very easy to meet girls from 20-40 online. Many of them have initiated chats, ST, and weekend dates. As a couple previous reports mentioned, there are tons of tinder possibilities, but they are mostly looking for serious relationships. I matched with about 10 just in the first couple hours that I enabled discovery, and then I disabled because it's taking too much time. But everytime I enable again there is a lineup of new matches. Some are not lookers but there seem to be lots between 30-37 who are quite fit and attractive (on photos anyway). Yeah, they want to chat and ask lots of the same BS questions (bores the hell out of me), but 2 nice looking ones asked me out for Friday / Saturday night dates after just a few messages and within a few minutes of each other.

I also have the same response on skout, though not many users here. I'm going to turn tdr / skt off though because I want to skip the chatter and get straight down to business. But for anyone wanting to spend a long time here, the dating route is a good possibility, presuming that you have a good security guard and can keep things spread out. My sense is that a lot of them go to Oscars for live weekend music, so you could run into some awkward situations there very quickly.

I've been waiting to get to BKK for Thai Friendly, but I've gotten lots of attention in PP (and from TH) already. Can't tell if the Cambodian girls are as serious on that, but there seem to be some young 20's girls ready to trade (and LOTS of Thai girls making contact). I'm keeping TF on the back burner til BKK, but I might fire up that burner just a couple days before going.

Wechat is another story. A couple recent reports mention that, and indeed, it appears to be an easy trade route. I've met a bunch of Viets (seem to be here for 1 month "working holiday" LOL), Chinese, and Cambodians who are ready to engage (10 new "friends" from people nearby, and I stopped looking after 2 nights. Many more available). They're mostly low to mid 20's. A couple quoted me 100ST /200 LT but they immediately agreed to half that. I told them I had to wait (and in any case want to check out the lady bars at night), but they've kept coming with nightly offers: "can I come over?" "Do you want to see me?" Based on photos alone, I'd rate them as 7-8/10 in looks. Very good bodies but not quite the stunners you're looking for. I may try an assortment of them ST first and then see if any are worth / safe for LT. But wechat is undoubtedly on offer here as a mongering lane.

Last night I was in bad need of a massage after long walking and swimming days. I went to a moderate price place called Champei on St. 57. I was really looking for veggie massage only (not expecting any additional services), so I ordered a 60 minute foot massage ($14) and a 60 minute traditional Khmer massage ($13 - basically a full body massage with pajamas on and no oil). The foot massage came first. It was very chill and calm, just one other female customer until a few young Cambodian dudes and a Korean dude came in. My foot masseuse was pretty, slightly big boned, but could speak no English. Her foot massage wasn't bad, appropriate for the price, but she didn't have the power I was expecting. Still, it was basically what I wanted, and would do it again there at that price.

Then they led me to a private room with 2 beds and told me to change. I closed the door and was trying to decide whether or not to keep the underwear on. I didn't (wanting to see if anything might transpire), but when I opened the door, a rather curvy young women came in. I felt relieved because I really didn't want to think about sex, and I hoped her extra weight would do wonders for my aching muscles (which they did). I started on my back, and her leg massage skills were actually not bad, but it didn't take long for her to get to the explorative teasing part, going straight up my inner thighs without hesitation and pressing right next to little brother and his 2 round companions. But I wasn't sure what her intentions were. Over the next 10 minutes, I can say that she expertly led me down the path toward a happy ending, gradually touching my naughty bits more and more to see if I'd respond. Then she got up and turned the lights very dim. Hell, who can't get aroused in that situation. She had her mask on, but her eyes kept looking at mine as I gasped more and more each time her fingers glided past my balls.

But seriously, I wasn't in the mood. I only got hard a couple times and really wanted those fingers to go under the pajama bottom. Eventually they did, and she started grabbing my balls lightly and stroking LB with her right hand as she played with my nipples with her left. But it takes 4 things for the happy ending to work. Atmosphere, a skillful masseuse, a horny customer, and a masseuse who is adequately sexy / attractive. The first 2 things were there, but the latter 2 were lacking. I knew I wasn't going to cum, though she was fully wacking me for that purpose. And she wasn't asking for anything extra. The happy ending massage would have only cost $13 had I gone through with it!

I actually stopped her and said I didn't want to finish, which I think hurt her feelings a bit. I turned over on my stomach, because I seriously wanted the same quality back massage that she'd done on my front legs. But she was really lacklustre all of the sudden. She only worked my back a little, though she eventually got back to pressing her weight, but I knew I'd offended her. Seriously, it wasn't her fault. Even though she's not that attractive / sexy, her foreplay was really not badly done. Anyway, time was up and she unceremoniously walked out of the room. When I walked downstairs to pay up, there may have been some expectation from her of a tip (I passed her in the hallway. Not bad looking at all), but the front reception didn't suggest anything. So I paid my $27 in cash for the 2-hour massage and left.

Today I walked past about a dozen little massage shops, some $5 cheapies and some nicers ones. But I can guess that all but the most expensive provide the happy ending option. Maybe I'll try that later and hope for a better looking girl. But for now, I'm gearing up for some lady bar visits in the coming weeks, along with my daytime sightseeing. More posts on the way.

UngaBang
12-17-22, 05:44
So I just spent about a month in Cambodia. And what a month it was. There seems to be a lot of confusion especially since covid so I'll write about my experience and also the general info about places in Phnom Penh.

Before even coming, one week before I set tinder and badoo both in Phnom Penh and had a blast. Dating in Cambodia is pretty easy. Compared to Vietnam a lot of locals know English though it's not comparable to the ease of Thailand. I matched with a girl who I really vibed with. She suggested that she'll come to pick me up at the airport.

So on the day my flight landed she came to pick me up and we hit it off. But here's where the first realisation hit me. Khmer woman are more reserved. Even more so than Vietnamese. This is not a place of point and shoot.

I had a reservation at loft facing riverside in Tao. It's a pretty sweet place. So we went there and started kissing. But she refused sex. I'm not sure why she did. But I suspect because she wasn't on pills. So we had a bit of fun and then I dropped her off to her home. And hit up line.

Line General impression:

I had 6 women over line. All of them were nothing to boast about. They were pretty, but pretty ones were not VFM IMO. They charged 200 $ for 2 time which is just bullshit. And mostly you can negotiate down to 50-60 $ for one time but after the ease of Thailand and Vietnam I can totally understand why some people would be pissed off about that. I would suggest you to skip line. It's just not worth it.

Next morning we met again had breakfast and spent the day together. Night comes she was all over me. But during sex it was clear that she was in pain. She told me she has only ever been with one other person (her BF) and hasn't been with anyone for 4 years. Her tightness pretty much confirmed that. We had an insane night together. She told me she worked part time for an NGO and was leaving for village the next day. Which is the week when I had my line adventures.

Got bored of line and decided to hit the bars. And oh man. This has to be the best and worst part of Cambodia. Best cause if you explore you can find some awesome gems here. Worst cause in order to explore you have to drink. I'm not much of a drinker. Nor a smoker. So for me, this was a little hard getting used to.

Ostex (Corner bar):

Best one IMO. Went there 2-3 times. Get ready to break some hearts and see puppy eyes. Cause every time you go women who you've already been with would be all over you. And you'll have to say no to them. But pretty cool place. General price was 60 $ ST and 100 $ LT (LT includes 3 shots. Though they try to reduce it to 2).

Ostex is the only one I remember cause it was my first. But there are a lot of other bars on this street and the street adjacent. All of them which I visited had willing girls ready to be bar fined. At one place I just went outside, talked to the girl for 5 minutes and bar fined her without ever getting a drink.

I did not face any racism. Some members of ISG faced it I think. But I was fortunate enough to have awesome experiences and fun times without ever explicit racism.

Cyrcee:

It's a nice place. 50 $ for ST without women ever trying to get more drinks out of you. But it's nothing special. It's like other bars and I didn't see anything special about it. It's a little far from other bars.

My girl then came back and we went to Siem Reap for a week. So I couldn't monger there. But neither was I interested. Though line worked pretty well there. I was getting offers for 70 $ LT. Second night my girl tells me she forgot to take the pill and is late. And started saying I love you. Man that was hard to handle.

Came back to Phnom Penh third week and one girl who I was talking to secretly invited me over to coffee. Had an amazing ONS with her.

Then next night told my girl I had a lot of work. So she went back to her province to meet her parents. This gave me 4 days to explore.

Pontoon:

What a dump of a fucking place. Why is this place famous for mongers I've no idea. First, yes some women are hot here. But you've to realize, exploring girly bars will give you chances with much hotter women. Plus one women I was with at girly bar was also at Pontoon that night. I made clear to her that I wasn't looking for any action with her but would buy her drinks. She told me a lot of women who come to Pontoon are actually from girly bars or line women. They bar fine each other and then spend the night finding customers in Pontoon. Reason is at girly bars they get 100 $ for LT. In Pontoon they get 250 $ minimum. There's a lot of other nice clubs in Phnom Penh. I would suggest you to skip Pontoon. If it's partying you're after then this is not that bad of a place.

After this during my last 6 days I stayed at Nagaworld2.

Nagaworld:

First, a single day in Nagaworld costs 65 $. While at Tao cost 70 $ for riverside Penthouse. I would recommend you to stay at Nagaworld. Tao rooms are bigger. But Nagaworld has so much opportunities. For example, once while going to darlin darlin, a woman came out of a room. Very clearly a hot working girl who said she'll make me happy for 100 $ per hour. She was clearly there and wanted to earn extra after just being with a customer. I didn't want to do that. So skipped. Other time I was going to darlin darlin and a hot women sitting at casino called me over and offered 150 $ for LT. I had running suspicion she was a ladyboy. So I skipped. But she was damn hot. Also girly bar girls love coming to Nagaworld. Once I told them I stay at Nagaworld, even though Tao is more expensive, they would just swoon over. Offer them breakfast and they'll go with you for 70 $ LT. Also, Nagaworld food is pretty nice.

Darlin Darlin:

It's an ok place. Some women cost 200 $ for ST. Which I just don't think objectively they're worth. But in Cambodia they're worth. I went there twice. Both time had pretty good time but it's just that women are not worth the price they charge. Yes some of them are drop dead gorgeous. But if you're willing to pay 350 $ for LT you can find extremely hot women at girly bars too.

Overall, Cambodia is it's own sort of place. It's not like Thailand which spoils you with its ease. It's also not like Vietnam where you get sweet action for cheap. But it is worth exploring. It's a beautiful country with a lot of women. Women especially who are roaring to date. But it falls short as mongering destination if you only have less than a week. But if you can spend more time here then it's definitely awesome.

P.S. , I've no fucking idea what I'm going to do with my girl. One time I tried breaking up with her and she cried. I told her I cheated and she cried. I told her I'm going back to Vietnam to meet my friends for a month and she cried and said she'll wait for me. No fucking idea what sort of mess I've gotten myself into LOL.

Paolo99
12-17-22, 20:26
I had 6 women over line. All of them were nothing to boast about. They were pretty, but pretty ones were not VFM IMO. They charged 200 $ for 2 time which is just bullshit.

Reason is at girly bars they get 100 $ for LT. In Pontoon they get 250 $ minimum. There's a lot of other nice clubs in Phnom Penh. I would suggest you to skip Pontoon. If it's partying you're after then this is not that bad of a place.

Some women cost 200 $ for ST. Which I just don't think objectively they're worth. But in Cambodia they're worth. I went there twice. Both time had pretty good time but it's just that women are not worth the price they charge. Yes some of them are drop dead gorgeous. But if you're willing to pay 350 $ for LT you can find extremely hot women at girly bars too.These prices are crazy man, next they're going to ask for 500 dollars or what.

Anyone is really giving these amount for 1 night with a Cambodian girl?

Tacoma101
12-19-22, 04:55
Some good reports. I'll only add stuff that hasn't been said recently.

Riverside park at night is dark. Be careful.

Nagaworld. Huge casino. Smoky everywhere.

Line app is popping. $130-$50. One shot.

Phnom Penh is not a well lit city and is not pedestrian friendly. No sidewalks. People drive mopeds like they are retarded. Tuk tuk driver stopped on a 6 minute ride to get out and piss on a wall haha. Grab taxis drive like grandmothers.

English definitely not as widely spoken as SR.

Riverside bars.

Pussy cat bar- WGs. Soooo many bars and girls. And good looking ones at 10 pm. Way better than HCM. And they are available for take out. Negotiable.

A very small sprinkling of girls at open bars during the daytime in the riverside bar area.

Cyrcee-same prices as recently mentioned. The girls aren't allowed to sit out front. Ordinance for that neighborhood.

Infinity bar. Open 24 hours. New shift comes on at 1 am and that's the start of $1 beer draft happy hour. Chica quoted me all night for $100 plus $20 bar fine. And she was a single mom. Hard pass.

Darling darling. Baller vibe. Chicas are a little more cleaned up but not by much. Bar service was super slow. Good ventilation from all the chain smokers. Didn't get any quotes.

Thought Thursday's girls looked better than Friday's on riverside. Soooo many can't read in their native tongue.

Bumble, badoo, seeking all work. No PDA with the girls and they wear the Worlds ugliest underwear. Vomit.

Enjoy.

Taco.

Buhuiba
12-20-22, 16:07
I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.) I've been in PP on and off for several months now. I've been with many many very cute bargirls. I've been paying between $40 and $60, sometimes st and sometimes LT. Often enough, probably more often than not, I have the girl give me those beautiful words, when I ask what she wants, "it's up to you." In which case I generally give $50. After which, I get smiles and an exchange of whatsapp numbers, and no end of follow up texts. These are bar girls, if I went with a freelancer I would expect to pay less. I cannot imagine why anyone would pay a hooker $200 in Cambodia.

But hey, it's not my money, and I'm not pressed for time. Maybe a big spender would also pay $20 for the tuktuk ride that the tuktuk driver would be happy to accept $2 for, though the driver is also happy to find a sucker. And good for the driver.

Anyone new to Cambodia, your target price ought to be around $50, however hot and beautiful the girl is. With some girls that will get you LT, with other girls maybe not. My current girl, my regular, I've been with her for a while now, I am giving her way less than that. But, for her, I'm dependable. And I dependably give her orgasms, the sex is good on both sides. So there's that.

It's your money, but if someone asks radically more than that, you are being suckered. Like the tuktuk driver asking $20 for a ride that anyone else would pay $2 for.

RakSopheni
12-20-22, 21:44
I'm seeing huge numbers reported here recently, like $200+ (though it doesn't sound like the mongers reporting these prices are actually paying them, they're just reporting the quotes they are getting.) I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jsp

Joe Talon
12-21-22, 05:37
I'm only in Phnom Penh for a short while. Stayed at Nagaworld 2. I didn't have much time in the city and I flew in late so I just checked-in and took a Tuktuk to 136 at around 10:15/1030 PM. Started from the east end near Riverside and walked in to take a look. I did walk past 7-11 to check those bars, but didn't see much there. I turned around walked back and stopped at a bar that I don't remember the name of. It was between Ostex bar and Alaska bar on the same side of the street. The place looked like it had the most amount of girls there so I went in. The inside is pretty narrow with a bar on the right, seating on the left and a bigger table / setup near the back.

Sat with one girl who I thought looked better from afar and we didn't really click, so I asked for a change. Next girl was at least more touchy / feely. She had a light brown skintone with dimples and had small tattoos all over her body. She didn't really have a punk rock chick vibe, she was more a sweet GND with some tats and a nice butt. She said she was 22. I sat with her and then mamasan for a while before I asked about price. She quoted me $15 BF /$100ST. Tried to negotiate but doesn't seem like they would budge from $100. Seems like from the reports here it should be half that but they kinda just scoffed at my counters to $100. Not sure if they really won't take less or what not but my options were go to another place and haggle down to. $80? Or just take what I had now so that's what I did. I think if she was much older I'd probably just declined.

Tuktuk from 136 to Naga 2 is probably like "$1. 50" or 6000 Riels. Guy wanted $3. But he gladly took $2 so yeah take that for what you will. If you want you can probably get it for 6000 but to me it's $0. 50. Not going to haggle like a local for that.

She actually had no street clothes so she just went to my hotel dressed the same as the bar. She had a strapless dress on but I'm guessing it's already pretty obvious anyways, no one really cared. The elevator we got in had 2 WGs walking out so I'm guessing this is already a very typical sight for them.

Anyways, we did the deed, she liked me kissing her neck and ear and sucking her breasts. She blew me only for a little bit but I was fine with that since I wanted to get the deed done. Did mish, tried doggie but it wasn't working out well so we went back and finished in mish. I paid her and she left.

MarquisdeSade1
12-21-22, 23:24
I think you might be referring to this video by Edward Sweeney.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLEQft-S1Lw

I wen't and checked my notes from this summer and the prices I recorded were about $10-15 bar fine, $50-55ST. That doesn't mean I'm disputing his claim or am a fan of PP. I think a very large number of girls simply don't go with customers and this high number is a polite way to decline.

From my experience at these "Hostess" bars, most of the girls are only working for drinks now. They make the most money catering to Asian businessmen who like to arrive in large groups, make it rain and don't necessarily even bar fine the girls.

Sure, mongers will post on here defending PP, but mostly its longtime expats who have ended up in PP due to business and made the most of it. I suppose it's not a bad place to be stuck compared to the Western World, but as a sex tourist destination- just go to Thailand. It's not even cheap from a cost of living perspective. Go on Numbeo and do a direct comparison between Pattaya and Phnom Penh and you will see what I mean:

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/comparison.jspI've tried watching a few of his videos, hes unbearable.

From what I've heard him say, he always quotes the highest imaginable rates.

Which tells you how much the "ladies" desire him, but what I find so objectionable about him.

Is when he says with a really shitty tone, if you don't pay it someone else will.

Yeah maybe somebody that's a fat drunken loser like him!!

His videos are garbage, I have always given him thumbs down.

Youtube would be better without him.

Volterra
12-25-22, 14:14
I'm going to chime in on the PP scene since there seems to be lots of disagreement on relative advantages / disadvantages. I just cut short my PP stay and hightailed it to Pattaya (where I'm happily feasting for Christmas now), because the PP girl scene was NMCOT at all.

PP is a lovely city in general. Very chill, lots of character, Cambodians seem super nice, lively but reasonable pace, streets are busy but not too loud and drivers not too aggressive. I stayed up near Independence Monument on st 278 for 4 days then at Sun Moon near bars 4 days. The daytime vibe is really nice, and nighttime markets, nightlife, etc. All vibrant. I'm thinking of moving there in a couple years, I liked it so much.

Except for the girl scene. I'the have to agree with recent pessimistic (yet realistic) reports by RakSopheni. I understand some guys have a good time with girls in PP, but I think it only works for old Cambodia hands (who know the scene left and right and have long established contacts with mamasans etc) and newbies who gravitate toward PP style hostess bars.

I'm not one of them. First, I honestly didn't find PP women that attractive. The real lookers were mostly Viets (asking astronomical prices on wechat and in Pontoon, freaking little scoundrels. , quoting $300 LT /$150st and barely budging). I just didn't feel my LB very tantalized at the sight of most local girls. And while non-WGs were very friendly, if not a bit shy, those engaged in the trade were of a different DNA, deceptive, combative, aggressive (and can't speak a word of English).

Walking past the loads of bars at night, even if there were big packs of girls in front, they were doing nothing to make their places inviting. Most of them are not very fit, they were more interested in playing on their phones (except for a brief moment where they'the try to scream at passers by), and they were mostly just littering the outdoor bar tables with their take away containers that they'the eat from and not bother to clean off, leaving no where for customers to sit.

My biggest agreement with RakSopheni is the change in motivation. It really is all about milking guys for drinks. Sure, some guys here report "success," but I'm half suspicious that they may not be totally reliable. Or maybe some are just lucky. I'm not a newbie to mongering and have learned over the years that persistence will eventually pay off. But that wasn't the case in PP. I'll recount just a few of the many fiascos during my recent (failed) 8 day PP "binge. ".

First there's the ol reliable Air Force bar down on 104. I went in around 9 pm on a Friday night. There were 2 younger regular western customers outside and I was the only customer inside. This chubby 38 year old (obviously mamasan though she claimed not to be) called a lineup for me and I chose the sole young good looking one to my table. She was 19 and from the provinces, couldn't speak a word of English, but she was one of the finest girls I met in PP. I could barely keep my hands off her young thin body, Chinese looking face / milky skin and long black hair. But chubby mama was there "translating" for me (as I learned through my trip, they also help train and control price levels for the less experienced staff), itself extremely irritating (and confirmation that not speaking Khmer will not help your chances.

I'm not one of these guys who wants to engage in endless BS chatter with bar girls, so I got right down to business asking about bar fines and girl prices. The girl was immediately apprehensive about the BF prospect, and what became the familiar refrain of PP excuses starting raining down. "Oh I live an hour away. , have to get up early. , too many customers coming. " When I pushed it, she quoted BF $15 and 80 for ST. I would have countered with 40 if I was interested in ST but I want to wake up and fuck these girls at dawn. So when I asked for LT she repeated the excuses and it was clearly going nowhere. She wasn't going to LT me at all and wouldn't consider ST til much later in the evening. The only prospect was to go into the BJ room with pool tables for quick one, but I was already put off and decided to get the bill. Freaking chubby mama charged me $6. 50 for the lady drink and $2. 50 for my Cambodia beer. BS! When I ran into regular guy in the toilet he confirmed should normally be $4. 50 for LD. I complained to chubby mama but she kept insisting it's what she always charges. "Ask the regular customers outside!" she said. "I already did. " And I informed her that I'the pass on the unfavorable experience to my fellow dudes (which I'm doing here). So farewell Air Force chubby mama, and best wishes for success in your empty bar!

Another night was Cyrcee, which seems to be a favorite among many here. I have to wonder who really wrote those glowing reports, because it was a double joke to me. First, it's totally out of the way from the rest of the scene (which could be positive to some) but I went on a Thursday and it was closed (after making the effort to go there). Went back around 11 pm on Friday and it was completely empty except for grumpy French boss and a handful of homely looking girls. The thecor is nice, but the problem is that there is only the bar stools, so when you sit down you're attacked by the most aggressive ones next to you, and once you get rid of them, you can't get a good look at the others without turning around and staring awkwardly (which they would inevitably see as an invitation). So after drinking 1 beer without conversation, I went to the toilet as an excuse to get a look at the others. Wow, what a disappointment. The best one was a slightly overweight girl in her low 20's wearing jeans (I remember because I saw her later that night at Pontoon). A 6. 5 out of 10 at best. Maybe an occasional customer will get lucky there, but I saw nothing at all and promptly left, bored out of my skull.

Back around sts 130/136, I went into a couple more places, making sure that I asked about drink prices / bar fines / availability to take girls home with each mamasan I encountered. What I ended up getting was a pack of repeated lies and excuses. "Oh yes you can take any girl home!" they assured me. Then when I picked out the only 1 or 2 I found at all attractive and young, "Oh sorry, she's with another customer" (that customer immediately leaves empty handed but she sends the girl to a different customer who's arrived after I already made my request).

I managed to buy a drink for nice looking 19 year olds (after getting assurances from mamasans) at a couple places like Same Same but Different and Su kho, but through the conversation, it became more baiting and manipulation, followed by excuses. "Oh sorry, I have applied for a new ID and haven't received it yet so can't register at your hotel. " "Oh sorry, she's having her period tonight. " BS after BS after BS.

Pontoon late night wasn't much better. Good looking ones were mainly looking to swindle desperate guys, often working in packs to prop each other up, but most were just half attractive leftovers that I had seen earlier at hostess bars.

These are only a few of the jokes played on me, vastly outnumbering my successes (themselves not memorable at all). So after a week of uninspiring shadow boxing, I decided "f. K it, I'm going to Pattaya," and poof! Here I am getting Mr. LB eaten alive at cheaper prices and with better looking girls than PP without even trying.

There are some new challenges in Pattaya that I'll write about later, but the main concurrence I have with RakSopheni is that the PP hostess bars are more like Western strip clubs without stripping and without dancing. The girls seem to have little / no incentive to leave with customers. Or should I say it's more like all the empty chasing I used to do with civilians all those decades from 20's to early 50's, only now I have to pay for their lady drinks before striking out. (And I used to be more successful picking up civilians).

I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.

PP may be a good scene for certain guys who gravitate toward certain types of places, or for those who have a longggggggg time to learn the PP game, but if you only have a short precious vacation to fill up your score card, you'the be taking a big risk spending it in the Cambodia capital, if love or something like it is what you mainly crave. Luckily, I have almost a month this time, so I cut my losses, jumped on a cheap flight to Suvarnabhumi, 75 minute taxi to Pattaya, and the beauteous routine of the late December Gulf of Thailand coast: sleep til 11, coffee on my balcony looking at the sea as I dick around on the internet and respond to the dozens of new offers I've gotten from girls on my mobile, 1 pm swim in my quiet clean pool in the sunshine, exploring the outskirts on my rental motorbike, napping and coffee at 5 as I make multiple evening dates, feasting on amazing Thai food for $2. 50 before deciding which of the numerous choices I'll pursue after dark: Go go bar? Walking Street? Soapy massage? Upstairs quicky on Soi 6? FL at live music bar / Coconut Bar beach / Thai Friendly? Milfy bar girl from beer bar? BBBJ at gentleman's club? Last night I wasn't even horny (having pounded a hot 25 year old to oblivion the previous night and yesterday morning), so I was just chilling with a beer at a quiet bar until some newly arrived bar girl in her ms santa's outfit caught my attention and drew me into Christmas eve / morning of rock them sock them all out fornication.

I'm in the same mood tonight, but I'm taking a set of Magnums and a vitamin V with me, knowing that unexpected evil lurks around every Pattaya corner.

Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya!

Meo Den
12-26-22, 11:43
I can already anticipate the vitriolic responses I'll get from some old Cambodia hands who know the game inside and out (and some who can speak Khmer), but I have to assure these guys that it's anything but a fun fest for guys like me who want more variety of choices beyond the chaotic hostess clubs, avaricious Viets online, and a couple after hour clubs that would get old in a week.
I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.

Kazeu
12-26-22, 18:05
Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".


I doubt you will get any vitriolic responses here. Your observations seem reasonable and accurate.

But can I add something about the Hostess Bars (not aimed at you)?

Not so long ago in mongering memory foreigners were paying $5 a throw, later $10 in their hotel rooms for many, many years.

I've seen comments from tourists (like Ed Sweeney mentioned previously) that they are going into HBs and buying lady drinks for anything between $4 and $8. One bar (Billionaire) was reported to be charging a $30 fee before a hostess would even sit with you. A visitor to Darlin' Darlin' reported that when he said Hello, to a girl sitting at the bar she snapped back at him 'You want speak, pay 20 dollar. MONEY NOW!

I have to ask, when punters are giving them money for nothing via lady drinks, bar fines, extra tips, not refusing to pay or even noticing when their bills are padded, why on earth would any of these women be prepared to engage in sexual activity with these guys? These places are clip joints.

When the first of them opened they were a novelty that attracted some. And admittedly they were quite different then, a bit like LE Cyrce style but with some decent looking women. However, it was the thin end of the wedge. As punters didn't seem to mind being overcharged or even cheated, the service attitudes only turned nastier. The more you give, the less you get. And while to many it was still 'cheaper than Thailand' it wasn't going to last. What everyone finally discovers, even those with the deepest pockets, is that they will eventually spoil the scene. Even for themselves.

It's said that middle-class tourists like to travel to unspoiled destinations. And spoil them. Substitute 'sex' for 'middle-class'.

These Hostess Bars are tuning into Incel Bars.

As to the Viets online and at clubs, they are almost entirely supported by their Chinese clientele. There are plenty of venues where you can pay $200-500 for an hour with Thais, Viets, even Koreans. Some with fancy rooms but the service will inevitably feel fake and clinical. You can have a lot more fun with a farm fresh 19 yo than an ageing professional with a nose and boob job and a photshopped portfolio on Facebook.

But TLDR. Phnom Penh is no longer an attractive P4 P destination, hasn't been for many years, and we know why.

RakSopheni
12-26-22, 18:14
Farewell PP. I wish all of your hostess bar mamasans a happy and prosperous 2023. I've redirected my hard earned thousands of $ from what would have gone into your coffers to the rebounding Thai economy. With much love from Pattaya!Very well stated. I had a positive experience in PP pre-pandemic which inspired my recent return- but I can unequivocally relate that at the moment the juice is not worth the squeeze. If you have a few days on a visa run, sure check it out- but only out of a sense of morbid curiosity. Do not plan a sex-trip with Phnom Penh as the centerpiece. Only exception would be if your dick no longer works and you just want to engage in mindless tedious conversation via google translate with young semi-literate rural Cambodian girls.

Axel Heyst
12-26-22, 19:44
To Meo Den, Volterra, and RakSopheni, I am not here to argue with you guys. I loved PP from 2000 up to 2009. I met some great girls in Phnom and had amazing times with them. But sadly, PP has been going downhill since around October 2011 when the hostess bars were first raided by the local cops. It was nothing more than a shakedown, but after the bars reopened is when the BMD (buy me drink only) hostess girl phenomenon began. So, I was kind of happy when Darling Darlin first opened its doors because DD FL girls were better coiffed than the average hostess bar girls, I did not have to buy them drinks or pay a barfine, and every girl at DD was there for one reason and one reason only; to get picked up and shagged by a client. The only negative was the outrageous price, so my MO at the time (2014 to 2019) was to hit DD later at night and only if I struck out at the hostess bars earlier in the evening.

Anyway, my point is that there are several causes leading to the current situation and the demise of what was once only a few years ago one of my favorite destinations in Asia. I agree that the internet has been very detrimental. But the influx of noveau upper middle class NE Asians tourists is another major factor. And perhaps the most important factor of all is that our little playground was segregated from the beginning meaning our dens of iniquity were set apart from the places local Cambodian men went to have a good time.

I can only tell you guys that wherever there is no separation of locals from foreign visitors you will still find a vibrant and healthy nightlife scene. The local men keep the girls in line and prevent them from being spoiled. Of course, the destinations I am referring to do not have the same volume of tourists as Cambodia or Thailand. When large number of foreign mongers "invade" a country, they will inevitably begin to affect the local mongering scene and the foreigners will wear out their welcome fast.

I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.

Jimmy Boy 99
12-27-22, 04:53
Snip. I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.Care to tell us that destination?

Meo Den
12-27-22, 05:07
Care to tell us that destination?Did you read his post?

Meo Den
12-27-22, 05:18
Unfortunately this is the fate of all things good. When too many people know about the good things they become shit. The internet has just sped up its demise. This website does not help in the long run and also serves to ruin our playgrounds forever. But we cannot control what other people do with their money. To even suggest it seems to be taken badly by many on this site who retort with something along the lines of its my money and I will spend it how I damn well please. The only way to win is to just make more money at a faster rate than anyone else and then at the end when all these people have ruined things at least you can still afford the hobby and perhaps sadly say "I told you so".Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.

Volterra
12-27-22, 13:16
Of course it is both impolite and ineffective to tell people how they should spend their money.

But regarding 'just make more money at a faster rate', that doesn't work.

As distasteful as it is, the Realpolitik of the P4 P environment isn't about how much money the punters have, but how much the girls have.

When BJs are $500 it will be a question of whether you want to use two condoms or three.

And Financial Domination (FinDom) is a real thing. VolCels getting off on paying money for absolutely nothing other than to be abused.Gentlemen (Meo Den, Kazeu, Axel, RakSopheni), thanks and I'm in agreement. It's the typical 'gentrification' effect of the mongering community, and I also sense (though don't have the current deep knowledge of Cambodian society) that there are deeper social reasons, as Axel points to. My wider dismay and alarm (greedy and lust driven, FinDom style, I confess), is that I may be missing the chance to jump on the few remaining bargain boats just as I start to gather my retirement pennies and plan my post-career party.

It seems that covid may have accelerated the process for girls no longer accepting peanuts for sex (even if they don't have a lot of money) in many jurisdictions. And in any case, they are definitely not interested in blind, innocent service with a smile as we approach 2023. You're right, even though I'm in Thailand right now, these gogo girls are completely blank and disinterested. Even if getting sex is still easy and affordable, for the moment, it's just not the same fun as a couple decades ago. Last night, I just gave up after see more hot girls barely moving and yawning on the dance stage. And the freaking tourist guys were like an alien invasion movie. Look, I'm one too, but I just can't account for the ape-like approach these guys have (and they look like glorified chimpanzees, I must say, LOL).

Better enjoy the last bastions while we can! Unless, by some divine intervention, there are new low-cost pleasure centres waiting to show themselves in the 2020's! Thrust ho!

Thehedonist
12-27-22, 14:08
Care to tell us that destination?He's not mentioning it in the post but I guess he's talking about San Paolo in Brazil.

RakSopheni
12-27-22, 21:56
I know you guys prefer BKK and or Pat over Phnom, but Thailand is going downhill too. Tell me I am wrong, I would love to hear that I am, but I have not been to LOS since 2019 and I keep postponing my return because, while Thailand was closed thanks to Covid, I found a better destination where the girls are unspoiled and where I can walk into any brothel or bordello and every girl in the place wants to show me a good time. My new preferred destination ain't cheap, but it is very, very good. Like the good old days in Phnom or BKK.There are a few broader trends that can be laid over the granular observations of changes on the ground- I think the most profound of which is the rise of local economies in the Asian region. For example, a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines will reveal a scene that has become completely dominated by Korean clientele, and one can see the handwriting on the wall that the Chinese monger in Cambodia, and the Indian monger in Thailand are ascendant and will gradually come to dominate those cities as the Koreans now do in Angeles.

Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.

To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.

What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.

For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.

AggieDad1
12-27-22, 22:30
There are a few broader trends that can be laid over the granular observations of changes on the ground- I think the most profound of which is the rise of local economies in the Asian region. For example, a trip to Angeles City in the Philippines will reveal a scene that has become completely dominated by Korean clientele, and one can see the handwriting on the wall that the Chinese monger in Cambodia, and the Indian monger in Thailand are ascendant and will gradually come to dominate those cities as the Koreans now do in Angeles.

Aside from the obvious marginalization of the Western customer base, this change brings with it a different attitude towards the hobby which is evident in the posts below. The Western monger comes alone, looking primarily for sex. Asian mongers (Chinese, Koreans, Indians, Japanese) operate in small groups of men (3-4) and the primary goal of the evening is fraternization and the strengthening of business ties with the second goal being sexual gratification. The "hostess" bar lends itself to this conceptualization, and we see a broader trend towards drink buying in all markets as the primary earning strategy as this customer base gains clout. Enter the Drink Queen.

To state the obvious- with China now re-opening, Phnom Penh will be swept clean of the Western monger and the scene will come to be dominated entirely by Chinese tastes and attitudes and business catering to this customer. Pattaya might hold out a bit longer as the Indian economy is still gathering strength and not as developed- but the trend is clear.

What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.

For a few more years at least Pattaya will remain viable, but let's be realistic about where this is all headed.China's reopening will take time. While the recent announcement gives hope for a return to pre-covid times, what eventually happens is yet to be determined. What the Chinese government says and what it actually does is often at odds with each other. The average Chinese business man lost money during the pandemic like most business men everywhere. Still there are a lot of government officials in China that made fortunes during the pandemic and the question is will they be allowed to travel freely.

As for other areas you mentioned. Thailand and Philippines both have areas outside Angeles City and Pattaya where the monger can go and have success. I was recently in Hua Hin in Thailand and had a good time.

SouthEaster
12-27-22, 22:46
I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?

SouthEaster
12-27-22, 22:49
I agree that over time, including the reintroduction of the Chinese plague, that the scene will continue to alienate the western monger but as mentioned earlier, there is a whole scene in Cambodia that caters to locals and very few westerns ever get to experience it. Some of the high rollers that have millions and like to show off may be spending 200 bucks for a girl, but if you think the average Cambodia male is paying that, think again. Can we please roll the clock back around 20 years? Pretty please?

The Cane
12-28-22, 00:17
What then Western Monger? Whence shall ye roam? Axel Heyst whispers tantalizingly of an alternative- a last redoubt for the Horny Western man- which I believe to be Brazil. I concur with the implications of his post- that in Brazil the primary market remains the local man, and so the scene remains healthy and robust with or without infusions of cash from the foreign Hobbyist. I only hope Rio does not become overrun with Westerners as Colombia has and is able to retain its charm- but let's be realistic.It's too late bro! The cat has long been out of the bag regarding the delights of Brazil. If there's any consolation for the Western monger, it is that Brazil (and Latin America as a whole) shall remain within his sphere of control since the Koreans and the Chinese are not about to be arriving in droves anytime soon. Why, for many of them (Asians) Brazil is literally on the other side of the world! I as a monger cede Asia to the Asian then, but I stand ready to defend my backyard territory. Besides, I'm not attracted to most Asian women anyway hehehe! Give me the white girls and the Latinas LOL!

Jimmy Boy 99
12-28-22, 04:00
He's not mentioning it in the post but I guess he's talking about San Paolo in Brazil.Yes, he confirmed he was talking about Rio and Sao Paulo.

BRCitizen
12-28-22, 08:38
So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.

Meo Den
12-28-22, 12:31
So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.

I think perhaps the best part of your strategy was only focusing on exactly what you wanted. Those prices you paid look fair for GFEs with 10's; they would only be bad value if the women were unfriendly or unattractive. We have to allow for the fact that women who are younger, clearly prettier and just sweeter than the vast majority will know that they can command more.

But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

You make a good point about how when women won't negotiate that they are quoting a fuck-off price. And it's always better to move on. Tell them what you pay before they can mention prices. Let them know your budget. It's called anchoring.

BRCitizen
12-28-22, 20:13
Good post and congratulations on successfully navigating the scene.
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But that is exactly the problem. We know it and the 10's know it, but the hardcore old slappers with aggressive attitudes don't always accept it. It's when they want the same (often unionised by the mama-sans) that punters start asking, Is this good value? Or bemused, they walk away.

Thank you. And of course the other part of the equation that some guys forget, is the customer. Okay, so it's a service industry, and they're there to make some money. But it's not all about money. As anyone who worked in the service industry can tell you, some clients are just pleasant to work with, and that's when you really like your job. Other clients are difficult, ornery, or just plain gross, and you'd rather not see them for any kind of money.

I try my best to be the first kind. You can't change your face or how old you are. But you can shower, shave, smile more, wear decent pants and shirt instead of cargo shorts. Just show like you're putting a little effort into the whole thing. Without looking too rich. There's a balance to be had.

MrClen
12-29-22, 21:50
So sad to hear all this negativity. Having just returned from a multi-week sex romp through PP, Siem Reap, BKK, Patt, and Phuket, allow me to post a counterpoint.

Maybe I'm a little different than most here. I don't have months and years to live in these places as an expat, which is why I rarely post. But when I go, I do my research and make it count. This site is a big part of that research, BTW, so I want to give back a little. Just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm supremely picky. I'm looking for 9's and 10's, and would rather go home alone than accept anything less than an 8 in the looks department. But I also want the whole package. I've zeroed in on a looker, only to abandon plans if she didn't seem too into me (or at least acted like she was). If the enthusiasm isn't there at the bar, it won't get any better in bed. With that in mind, I had no problems finding 9 ladies, all good experiences. Limited mostly by tiring myself out with other activities rather than lack of choice (because I'm not just there for the sex). Ok, I guess if you count the two-girl threesome in PP, I guess it's only 8 encounters. Haha. But still.

I'm also not cheap. I don't quibble over a few dollars, and I don't mind paying premium for a premium experience. But I also always make an effort to bargain. Since about 95% of the providers frankly don't interest me, the ones who do tend to make high initial offers. Are they making a high offer because they know they can command a premium, or are they just throwing that out there to signal that they're not that interested in going home with me? The way to find out is if they signal a willingness to make a deal and counteroffer, or if they stick to their guns. If it's the latter, then I'm probably dealing with someone who'd rather do something else than go home with me, and the limited hours of my night are better spent looking elsewhere than continuing buying her drinks.

With all that in mind, of all the places I went.

Least productive: SR. There is some talent, if you can call it that. But very few, and nothing that meet my criteria. Didn't take the tuk tuk drivers up on their chicken farm offers, because usually that kind of thing turns into a wild goose chase. I saw some at the corner bars off Pub Street who I could easily have joined, but. Nah. Still, SR was magical. Especially now, without all the crowds. Everything is open but no crowds at all. Angkor is Zen-like, as it should be. Spent 5 days there and loved every minute. Just not a great place for P4 P.

Most choice: Well, BKK, hands down. I mean, nothing compares with just the sheer choice, sheer volume of opportunity. I don't care what anyone says. If you can't find what you're looking for in BKK, then there's no pleasing you.

But of all the places I went, it's the PP girls I still fantasize about. They're not nearly as jaded as the BKK girls, and what they lack in experience and menu of kinks on offer, they more than make up for in enthusiasm. Frankly, I don't ask them to do anything unsafe anyway, because I think that's just dumb. I just want as GFE-like an experience, while still being safe. And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.

Didn't need to venture out to Darlin Darlin or any nightclubs. I did walk to Cyrcee once, and didn't find anything interesting, so I walked back. Everything I wanted was right there on Streets 136 and 130. Right now the girl-guy ratio in PP is 10:1 or better, so if you want a 10/10, she's there, waiting for you. I quickly learned I need not be shy about going in to take a look at the goings on inside the bars, and walking right out if nothing interested me, rather than wasting my time. Frankly, most of the talent on offer is outside the bar -literally legions of them meowing their "hellos" at every passing guy. Of which there are so, so few right now, compared to BKK or Patt. And we're talking Friday, Saturday night.

Maybe it's rude to go in and look, and walk out without buying a drink, but whatever, I'm the customer. They know what they're here for and what I'm here for, so it's not the time to be shy. The only time it's really needed to go into a bar, is if you see someone outside and decide you want to get to know her over a drink. Better yet, sit outside so you can hear yourselves talk.

I will say this much. There is a best time, and it seems to be just after dinner, but not too late. You want things to get going, and the girls are usually having some dinner themselves early on. You don't want them to be hangry, because even bar girls need a break, right? At the same time, if you don't want to settle for just any warm body, the best of the lookers may be taken by later in the night. That's also why I'm a little skeptical of the strategy of going to the clubs later if you strike out. I mean, by then, you're also getting ladies who've struck out. Maybe I'm totally wrong and you get a whole different crowd. After all, I didn't venture that far. But it's hard to imagine how I could have improved on my choices from the hostess bars.

As far as where to stay, just look no further than S&M, one of the best run hotels around. Great rooms, awesome pool, decent breakfast. And why deal with tuk tuks and waste precious hunting time going far away, when S&M is just steps away from guy heaven? Be warned though, they will be sticklers for ID's. The aforementioned two-girl experience had to be moved off-site, because they had fake IDs and the hotel wouldn't budge on their policy. The place turned out to be a $10 flophouse a few doors down (they explained it's usually $5, but $10 because I'm bringing 2 girls). Turned out for the better, as one of them was on her period (yikes!) and wound up making a mess on the bed. I am so glad it wasn't my bed! But both of them were beautiful. One was 8/10 (the one on her period), the other was just 10/10. I mean drop dead gorgeous. The first one was the only one who spoke any English though, and she negotiated the whole deal.

I really didn't encounter the whole phenomenon of girls who just sling lady drinks and don't go with customers. Everyone I met was more than ready. Frankly I didn't see a whole lot of Asian guys, so if they're waiting for the Korean that's going to pay $300 for ST, good luck nabbing him. There's literally hundreds of girls on Street 136, and maybe a couple of those golden geese will come by on any given night. The closest I came to encountering that attitude was a beauty who looked all of 18, if that, but was 23 according to her ID. She spoke decent English, university educated, and gave me the line that she rarely goes with customers, but I think she was just trying to raise her perceived value. I do think she doesn't go with all customers -bar girls can be picky too. She turned out to be the gentlest, most amazing GFE experience I had on the whole trip.

Costs: the least I paid was $50, the most was $80. All ST. Average about $60. Did I overpay? Yeah, probably a little. But so worth it.First I agree with you! I would much rather spend my time and d0 llars on a pleasant, fun, girl, than bargaining with hard core bar girls no matter what her "skill" level happens to be. That said, my one and only PP experience, (so far), was during a semi business type where I went with some Korean friends. My go to experience is in the KTV's where you can have fun, drink a bit, play and get to know your choice or choices for the night. Yes it is more expensive than just getting a quickie off the street but I don't travel on a budget and don't think I have the mind set to negotiate pussy prices with a bar girl. This may have been ok when I was in my 20's and all I cared about was getting my tool wet, (note that I lived in BKK for one year then). I don't go KTV alone and most of my experience, for the past 20 years, has been in China. However Xi and his crackdowns have put some of the venues out of business but still available if you are known or have friends as your guide. A few of us on this forum still remember the "good old days", in ChangPing or ChangAn.

Philosophus
12-29-22, 22:50
I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.

GentileBear
12-29-22, 23:31
Thank you Philosophus and BR Citizen! Great Reports.

RakSopheni
12-30-22, 18:50
Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.Interesting idea- I've heard about the local brothels before but never located them. I was also advised not to enlist tuktuk drivers and find the spots myself on a moto as the tuktuk driver could make trouble or overcharge.

I'm assuming the deed was done on site? What percentage of ladies did you have to wade through before you found something to your standards?

Muzungufotsy
12-31-22, 07:53
I agree that PP is a good place to hang out. BKK may be more reliable, but PP is poorer, younger, slimmer (food costs), and the birds, even the stunners, have less choices. 136 street and surroundings are considered Western tourist territory. Don't be surprised to see few Asians. At the KTV there are more Asians. Cambodia's average age is 25 years. Plenty of 18 year olds come to PP, sleep in a joint dormitory / apartment with 10 other birds, and try their adventurous streak by sitting in a bar. I saw many young petite top lookers who called themselves originals (virgins) who don't go with men. That group exists. But I am sporty, lean, not young, not stingy and patient, don't drink, dress casually but in new, fresh outfits, and keep talking to them, and more times than not even the youngest and prettiest birds consented to going with me to my hotel room. Service levels vary, but to me half the fun is giving, is making the teenage girls cum after giving a good hot towel massage and using my tongue on hir vagina. Most girls can be wooed by patient carresses and loving touches. In PP condoms are optional. I salute the mate's caution, but I like it better without, especially given the low likelihood of an 18 year old cambodian girl to give me health problems is rather low. The best way to proceed is when a girl insists on a condom and you are lucky it breaks in her little womb. I have had this happen several times and the feeling was awesome. I made it last for as long as I could (did not CIP). Another way to proceed in PP is to find a tuk tuk driver who speaks good English. The better his English, the safer. He will drive you around town for 10 $ for an hour and show you the local brothels where Cambodian men go (take no credit cards with you, just have 100 $ ready in cash). Most of these girls are below my standards, but every once in a while you find a gem, a petite slim 18 or 19 year old who works in a sneaker factory and who needs some extra cash. You can tell the taxi driver exactly what you want from her and he will make sure the brothel owner knows and makes sure the girl knows what she must offer. In this setup the brothel owner, the taxi driver and the girl all earn, it cost me 80 US $ for 3 h, which is high for PP, but there is more commitment by the girl, for the taxi driver will propose a repeat the next day, he will check whether the girl was good with all that was promised and the girl knows the brothel owner can sanction her if not. I had some lovely young stunner GFE experiences this way where the girls did and allowed literally everything a man can ask for. And they also liked it very much.So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?

RakSopheni
01-01-23, 01:38
So you paid 70 $ for a shag at a local brothel?I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.

Philosophus
01-01-23, 07:56
Incl. Tuktuk driver fee I paid more to the tune of 90 US $ for a 3 h stint with a girl from a brothel off 136 street. I had her several times. The number of brothels we "visited" was 12 or so. They were all open air, open shed, or on motoped / tuk tuk. They were all pretty run down, and none of the young birds met my criteria except one, a 19 yo 5 ft. 75 lb small tit spinner with shapely feet, hands and long hair and a pretty face. She had had a boyfriend and was experienced and easy with having sex. I asked the driver for a small slim girl who is ok with not using a condom and after a long, interesting tuk tuk tour he found her. She worked at a sneaker factory for 130 US $ a month in a 40 h workweek. I asked her why she would not sit in a bar at 136 street. She answered she was no good at conversing in English and at marketing herself. She was a sweet gal. Not shy. Showered together, braided her hair for me, shaved her pussy completely upon request, yam yam, boom boom, cuni, cif, rimming and penetration anywhere. She came naturally various times and seemed to enjoy her Western debut experience. 3 h time in one of the best hotel rooms near the river with balcony etc. Impressed her. We went for dinner each time after sex. Hunting at 136 street takes also effort, no question. To throw a good party in a bar sets you back 50 bucks. But if your manner is nice and if you have game and look nice (I am too old to be considered "handsome", but I am authetic I guess), the few pretty ones will get interested, especially if you try several nights. Always a good idea to let the mama san know who you need so she can help motivate her to take the plunge. I had a girl of similar looks (5 ft3, no fat no tit stunner) who was more into herself and her beauty and her purity, much less willing to give during sex play, but surely impressable and orgasmic a few times, easily the prettiest girl in the bar and then some, but there were surely 5 birds of equal quality in the river bars, but I could not get them to give in or did not try for lack of time. So, yes, I chose among the 1 in 200 and the 5 in 500. Takes effort.

Muzungufotsy
01-01-23, 09:35
I'm thinking they were serving "cheese pizza", hence the mark up.Must be a giant pizza.

Banana Boi
01-04-23, 13:03
Anyone know where any of the girls who worked at Same Same But Different bar on Street 110 are working? It was near those Korean / Japanese bars on 110.

MarquisdeSade1
01-06-23, 15:39
It's too late bro! The cat has long been out of the bag regarding the delights of Brazil. If there's any consolation for the Western monger, it is that Brazil (and Latin America as a whole) shall remain within his sphere of control since the Koreans and the Chinese are not about to be arriving in droves anytime soon. Why, for many of them (Asians) Brazil is literally on the other side of the world! I as a monger cede Asia to the Asian then, but I stand ready to defend my backyard territory. Besides, I'm not attracted to most Asian women anyway hehehe! Give me the white girls and the Latinas LOL!No need to cede anything to anyone IMO and my experience in Asia (prob 200 bargirls) the westerner is typically really going to be preferred 9 out of 10 times.

Unless I figure you're a fat slobbering drunk like our YTube friend "fast Eddie".

They really prefer us, there's a very good reason a certain crowd needs to overpay them.

The other 1 out of 10 times she is a shark waiting for her prey, you know who she's waiting for, just move on.

Thanks for the post.

MarquisdeSade1
01-06-23, 16:21
Would anyone know of an app that you can use to order a Mercedes BMW or Porsche SUV Uber like service espec to and from the airport?

Yes I know PP is not NYC but I read on some travel forum some guy was using a service that only used Lexus SUVs so why not German SUVs?

Much of Asia loves German cars.

Nuttin Serious
01-11-23, 11:01
M de Sade, your PM inbox is full.

Banana Boi
01-13-23, 05:53
some guy was using a service that only used Lexus SUVs so why not German SUVs?PP is the place where it seems that all old Lexus SUVs go to die. They are everywhere! Drive by an used car dealership and you will see a ton of Lexus SUVs for sale. I took one of those Lexus SUVs to Sihanoukville once. The Lexus SUV must have been older than the bartender I took!

Sam Sanuk
01-14-23, 11:23
PP is the place where it seems that all old Lexus SUVs go to die. They are everywhere! ...Indeed there are a lot of them. Lexus is a luxury brand made by Toyota. There are a lot of Toyota models in Cambo also. A couple of reasons: 1. Toyota makes products that are reliable for many years, kilometers / miles; 2. I've read that Japanese car owners keep a car for only about 5 years before getting a new one. So there are plenty being exported from Japan, which is a lot closer than from the USA (For sure, there are companies in Japan that specialize in exporting used vehicles.) The Cambodians are experts at making older cars look almost new. A Khmer friend of mine bought a Lexus SUV a few years ago that had been imported from the USA With the VIN number, I did a check on the car. It had an excellent service record and no indication that it had been in an accident. Folks who buy a Lexus likely have the $ to maintain same.

SS.

TravelingMan3
01-21-23, 21:20
I guess someone like you would say something like this

For those that have been around the world mongering I can state unequivocally asian putas are the most "selective".

Maybe you should stick to fucking your dirt poor black favela putas in the ass in Brasil.

While I'd also say Brazil is old news as dudes that would go to Rio stoped going after Help closed. I've been around the world and I'd say white chicks are the most selective I live in Pattaya those chicks fuck anybody. You may be thinking what about the chicks in Angeles city for example that only fuck Koreans they are doing that because Koreans pay over the going rate if a white dude lets say were to offer the Korean price she would fuck him. As far as the fucking black fevela putas in the ass do you think your doing something by fucking dirt poor Asian working girls in the ass in Asia.

The Cane
01-22-23, 04:20
I've been around the world and I'd say white chicks are the most selective.And I like to fuck the most selective chicks. In the ass! But note that what you said about guys going to Brazil (stopped going after Help closed) is 100% not true. Help was such a small part of the overall scene! It's a huge country that's always had lots and lots of options beyond Help (which I never liked). I mean, you can't be paying attention to the threads on this site to even utter something like that. Things are alive and well in Brazil, especially now that the worst of the pandemic is over and the world is in recovery from that. Believe this!

TravelingMan3
01-24-23, 01:01
But note that what you said about guys going to Brazil (stopped going after Help closed) is 100% not true. Help was such a small part of the overall scene! It's a huge country that's always had lots and lots of options beyond Help (which I never liked). I mean, you can't be paying attention to the threads on this site to even utter something like that.Yea brother I just meant that Brazil ain't nothing new that was the spot like twenty years ago Patrica Oneal and Jim Norton talked about it back in the day of Opie and Anthony. I'm an ex Sosua guy and a lot of the guys that would be in Rio started going to Sosua when Help closed.

Volterra
02-03-23, 12:37
Incl. Tuktuk driver fee I paid more to the tune of 90 US $ for a 3 h stint with a girl from a brothel off 136 street. I had her several times. The number of brothels we "visited" was 12 or so. They were all open air, open shed, or on motoped / tuk tuk. They were all pretty run down, and none of the young birds met my criteria except one, a 19 yo 5 ft. 75 lb small tit spinner with shapely feet, hands and long hair and a pretty face. She had had a boyfriend and was experienced and easy with having sex. I asked the driver for a small slim girl who is ok with not using a condom and after a long, interesting tuk tuk tour he found her. She worked at a sneaker factory for 130 US $ a month in a 40 h workweek. I asked her why she would not sit in a bar at 136 street. She answered she was no good at conversing in English and at marketing herself. She was a sweet gal. Not shy. Showered together, braided her hair for me, shaved her pussy completely upon request, yam yam, boom boom, cuni, cif, rimming and penetration anywhere. She came naturally various times and seemed to enjoy her Western debut experience. 3 h time in one of the best hotel rooms near the river with balcony etc. Impressed her. We went for dinner each time after sex. Hunting at 136 street takes also effort, no question. To throw a good party in a bar sets you back 50 bucks. But if your manner is nice and if you have game and look nice (I am too old to be considered "handsome", but I am authetic I guess), the few pretty ones will get interested, especially if you try several nights. Always a good idea to let the mama san know who you need so she can help motivate her to take the plunge. I had a girl of similar looks (5 ft3, no fat no tit stunner) who was more into herself and her beauty and her purity, much less willing to give during sex play, but surely impressable and orgasmic a few times, easily the prettiest girl in the bar and then some, but there were surely 5 birds of equal quality in the river bars, but I could not get them to give in or did not try for lack of time. So, yes, I chose among the 1 in 200 and the 5 in 500. Takes effort.I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.

Philosophus
02-04-23, 05:13
I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights.I cannot compare PP to BKK, really. I think BKK is the safer bet. But PP is poorer, younger, slimmer, more petite, more desperate. Girls are more curious in PP, and less papmpered, have less income security and appreciate their clients more. I am glad the mate who took a 33 why old had a good time, but it is like taking a 52 y old in UK, as Cambodia's average age is 25. Patience helps, and the 50 dollar bill is spent easily. But what is the point not investing in the experience if the flight sets you back 1500 or so bucks? Khmer culture is tolerant of sex, but girls need to mature somewhat to gain experience with a cambodian BF to start to enjoy the company of a paying lover 30 years her senior. I had beautiful bare back experiences with slim petite 19 year olds because I showed perseverance and I was lucky.

Volterra
02-04-23, 11:49
I cannot compare PP to BKK, really. I think BKK is the safer bet. But PP is poorer, younger, slimmer, more petite, more desperate. Girls are more curious in PP, and less papmpered, have less income security and appreciate their clients more. I am glad the mate who took a 33 why old had a good time, but it is like taking a 52 y old in UK, as Cambodia's average age is 25. Patience helps, and the 50 dollar bill is spent easily. But what is the point not investing in the experience if the flight sets you back 1500 or so bucks? Khmer culture is tolerant of sex, but girls need to mature somewhat to gain experience with a cambodian BF to start to enjoy the company of a paying lover 30 years her senior. I had beautiful bare back experiences with slim petite 19 year olds because I showed perseverance and I was lucky.I hear you. Perseverance often produces the best luck, often late at night after multiple early-evening failures. That 19 year old is sounding mighty nice right now. Just got to figure out how to navigate the PP mamasan gauntlet.

Uncle Volodya
02-04-23, 13:23
I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.Finding a young hot 18-21-year-old is not difficult but requires a bit of legwork. Cover as many bars as you can. Most of the selections will be sitting outside at the smaller bars. You will have to go in to the bigger ones to see everyone. Don't feel like you have to stay for a drink in each one. Most of the time I just pop in, have a quick look, and if I don't see something I like I just bail. Take a minute or two.

You have to show you are generous and buy drinks at the bar. That is the key. She will appreciate you letting her gain face with her friends, the mamasan, and the other girls at the bar. But once you have the girl GF a girl and had a good experience in the room she is you will have her locked down. It is no longer necessary to buy all those drinks. Get her contact info and have her come to you. Or just come in, but a drink or two, and BF her and take her home.

The real challenge is mitigating the huge bar tabs and controlling your urge to just go wild after a few drinks (especially if you re getting good attention with the girl, ie. DFK, feeling her up, getting naughty at the bar, etc. It can be a real blast. That is probably my biggest expense when I am in PNH.

Sammon
02-04-23, 16:40
Finding a young hot 18-21-year-old is not difficult but requires a bit of legwork. Cover as many bars as you can. Most of the selections will be sitting outside at the smaller bars. You will have to go in to the bigger ones to see everyone. Don't feel like you have to stay for a drink in each one. Most of the time I just pop in, have a quick look, and if I don't see something I like I just bail. Take a minute or two.

You have to show you are generous and buy drinks at the bar. That is the key. She will appreciate you letting her gain face with her friends, the mamasan, and the other girls at the bar. But once you have the girl GF a girl and had a good experience in the room she is you will have her locked down. It is no longer necessary to buy all those drinks. Get her contact info and have her come to you. Or just come in, but a drink or two, and BF her and take her home.

The real challenge is mitigating the huge bar tabs and controlling your urge to just go wild after a few drinks (especially if you re getting good attention with the girl, ie. DFK, feeling her up, getting naughty at the bar, etc. It can be a real blast. That is probably my biggest expense when I am in PNH.Making my 8th visit to Phnom Penh this October. All my previous visits had a blast picking up freelancers. Couple even cooked food at home and brought it to me when I showed interested in eating cockles with spicy sauce.

After covid are there any freelancer bars open?

Staying at Nagaworld 2. I know there are high end freelancers there but not sure if they are GFE. Not interested in using tuk tuk drivers to find girls in local brothels. Many are usually underage. They do not fit in in high end hotels.

Banana Boi
02-04-23, 17:10
I don't believe anyone has mentioned the elephant in the room for PP. "Originals".

Custom404
02-05-23, 04:46
The daytime scene was vibrant but not a lot of top shelf talent. Many of the bars had kids running around as the mammasans were getting them ready to open. Instead it was a good time to grab a beer in one of the many sports bars and watch the excitement build. At 6 PM things really started going. Dozens and dozens of young slender girls poured into the girly bars or on chairs right outside. In general, it was easy to communicate in English, and when that failed, the girls were pros with google translate. I'm all for hot young talent, but honestly, many girls looked borderline underage so I just outright avoided them. I had a fun time hanging out at the Ponytail bar on 130 though they didn't have the best talent. Round one, at 9 PM I took back a 20 yo smoking hot girl from the bar across the street. Very petite and inexperienced. After about 10 sec of BBBJ she hopped on top of my cock. She was super tight and really couldn't handle me but I finished quickly anyway. Damage including the bar fine was $120.

Round 2 was closer to 2 AM. I had went back out to check out the late scene. Girls were giving out their numbers to help you avoid the bar fine since bars were closing. Some of the best talent was gone, but still many beautiful women. I opted for a free lancer walking on the street. $30 all in. She also had a lot of trouble with my size so maybe consider picking up some oil. On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.

Bluat
02-06-23, 07:05
And tbh, I think Khmer girls are just better looking than Thai overall. But that's a personal preference I suppose.
Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?

ProShooter
02-06-23, 18:55
Hi patrons,

Visiting Phnom Penh for a couple of days (its not a tourist visit). Wondering if there is any chance of mongering in this visit and if yes a place to stay closer to airport.

This will be my first visit to Cambodia so any suggestions / tips are appreciated!

Thanks.


I have no idea how you (Philosophus) and BrCitizen had such great experiences there, except, as you mention, for putting tons of effort with tons of patience, tons of time, and probably tons of drink money spent over many nights. I could see that there must have been some guys getting it right in PP, but they / you must be of a certain breed. I am also well groomed, not hideous looking, and not stingy in the sense that I was also ready and willing to part with $60-90 easily for the higher quality birds. But no way I am going to throw an extra $50 for drinks to groups of girls at the bar. I saw a couple of dudes (maybe it was you LOL) doing that. It just takes too much work for the short stayer.

I would like to hear more from BrCitizen about his approach. I can only believe that the devil is in the details and you must have picked up on something that a lot of guys like me overlook in PP. And in terms of girl quality, I just didn't see that many that I thought were hot. Maybe things would look better and go more smoothly on a 2nd trip, but I would only do it if I have a longer time to build my MO.

PP is a puzzle to me. Clearly guys like RakSopheni and myself are fuming in frustration over it (even after my own continuous roaring in Pattaya / Bkk / AC over the past 2 months). I am going to keep reading this forum to see if I can see anything between the lines that starts to suggest opportunity.

Tryntry
02-08-23, 17:40
On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.Yes be careful as that happen to me 2 came up offering services grabbing, touching-distracting and took my phone, don't let them get near you.

DingoD
02-09-23, 07:27
Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.

Sammon
02-09-23, 12:55
As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.There are all kinds of girls in Phnom Penh. Locals tend to be brownish. But there are lots of Vietnamese who are fairer and command higher price. Those are the ones you see in Nagaworld.

Southern Chinese tend to be darker. Only northern Chinese are tall and beautiful. I used to have girlfriends who are from close to Korea. Tall, milky white, with big boobs.

In the bars you see mostly darker locals. Service is hit and miss like always. Although before covid I had some good providers from the bars. Even met a girl at the mall near the market there. You can go to any pharmacy and get viagra usually comes from Indian pharmacy cheap.

Yuri
02-19-23, 06:12
Very nice easy city and less busy compare to BKK. One thing, the prices very transparent and since I paid in dollars appeared affordable.

I was around 136 streets where the Girls still outside. You need to go inside the bar where 2-4 girls will join you and then you select on1-2. I selected one and then bought drinks started to talk. After 5 min the conversation went taking back to hotel. Depending on the place, Bar fine was $10-$15 with short time of 1-2 hours being between $50-$70 and long time $100. Most of the girls were young but I decided on mature late 30's / early 40's lady. I am into mature lady's for that GFA and I am a little older. It was a long time and the good time. Tight pussy I noticed.

On 136 the girls appear to be Khmer. I do not know where the Vietnamese girls hang out.

I defintely recommend Phnom Penh as good alternative to BKK where BKK is just getting too developed and commercialized. Good value for the money in Cambodia.

JerseyItalian
02-26-23, 19:03
So was it the Tao Riverside Residenceyou stayed at? And they have no issuesbringingback girls to room?


The daytime scene was vibrant but not a lot of top shelf talent. Many of the bars had kids running around as the mammasans were getting them ready to open. Instead it was a good time to grab a beer in one of the many sports bars and watch the excitement build. At 6 PM things really started going. Dozens and dozens of young slender girls poured into the girly bars or on chairs right outside. In general, it was easy to communicate in English, and when that failed, the girls were pros with google translate. I'm all for hot young talent, but honestly, many girls looked borderline underage so I just outright avoided them. I had a fun time hanging out at the Ponytail bar on 130 though they didn't have the best talent. Round one, at 9 PM I took back a 20 yo smoking hot girl from the bar across the street. Very petite and inexperienced. After about 10 sec of BBBJ she hopped on top of my cock. She was super tight and really couldn't handle me but I finished quickly anyway. Damage including the bar fine was $120.

Round 2 was closer to 2 AM. I had went back out to check out the late scene. Girls were giving out their numbers to help you avoid the bar fine since bars were closing. Some of the best talent was gone, but still many beautiful women. I opted for a free lancer walking on the street. $30 all in. She also had a lot of trouble with my size so maybe consider picking up some oil. On walking back 4 girls bum-rushed me. They were touching me but one clearly went for my pocket. They were easy to fend off, but just be prepared.

I stayed at the Tao. Great location, nice room and friendly.

Sam Sanuk
03-02-23, 00:22
Hello as a frame of reference can you help me understand what you mean by Khmer look? Does the average Kmer girl look like the darker skin girl or the lighter skin?Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.

Fastpiston
03-05-23, 05:03
So was it the Tao Riverside Residenceyou stayed at? And they have no issuesbringingback girls to room?I've heard various inputs on the girl friendliness of hotels in PP. Can you give me input on this?

Revrez
03-05-23, 06:51
3 and 4 are Thai. Easy work.


Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.

RonnieMonger
03-05-23, 07:49
Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.I'll take a guess. Even if wrong.

1. Thai.

2 Filipina.

3. VN.

4. khmer.

Fenyx
03-05-23, 12:41
I've heard various inputs on the girl friendliness of hotels in PP. Can you give me input on this?I'd be more surprised if a hotel in PP wasn't girl friendly tbh. I haven't stayed at Tao or Sun&Moon which seem to be popular here but I have previously stayed a three different hotels and all were girl friendly: Harmony, Baitong, and Courtyard Marriott.

Harmony is the hotel I'd recommend. It is on street 148, just a couple blocks from the bar action only about a 3-minute walk away. Prices are about $35-$40 per night. Rooms are good, wifi is good, the gym is one of the better hotel gyms I've been to and the star is the rooftop pool and skybar. Good food and excellent views of the Riverside, especially at night. I've stayed there three times and never had a problem bringing a girl back. They may ask for ID but not always, depends on who is working the desk I guess, but no extra charge.

Baitong is in BKK1, about a 10-minute tuk-tuk ride from Riverside which isn't too bad. The hotel is one of the nicest in PP, got this cool eco / jungle vibe to it, two different pools, a nice seafood restaurant, and an outdoor rooftop bar. More expensive at $60-$70 per night but BKK1 is a nicer area of PP than Riverside. Lots of great restaurants, coffee shops, and other shops all in walking distance. They never bothered me bringing girls back, not even to check ID.

Courtyard Marriott I wouldn't recommend just because it is too expensive for what you get. They were the most strict with IDs on girls as they always took the girls ID when I brought them back but again otherwise no problems. Rooms are modern and they have a nice rooftop pool and skybar too but the neighborhood isn't particularly interesting and again it is too expensive compared to other hotels in PP. It is more oriented towards business travelers than tourists.

Hope that helps, glad to answer any other questions about PP.

DingoD
03-06-23, 06:25
I would almost with 100% certainty say #4 is Khmer. The other 3 all have a generic look that I personally can't pick from these photos, so I'll have a stab in the dark that #2 is also Khmer, leaving #1 and #3 as our Thai representatives!!

I'll be sampling my own Khmer in 3 days when I arrive on Thursday morning!!

Cheers.


Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.

Explorer8939
03-06-23, 07:12
Referencing your photo examples, and having almost 60 visits to Southeast Asia starting in 1970, my take is that judging nationality by color skin can be next to impossible. One reason is nationality is established my lines drawn in the sand (so to speak). Just looking at Filippino girls, Thai girls, and Khmer girls from 20 feet way, you could be hard pressed to "know" their nationality.

Generalizations abound. Northern Thais are lighter in skin color than Southern Thai gals. Viets whiter than Khmer or Thai's.

With that in mind, I've I've put together a collage of "usual suspects" numbered 1,2,3, and 4. Two are Khmer and two are Thai. I know all of them personally. Here is a little test for you. Which two are Thai? (I'll post the correct answer in a few days.).

Sam.Back in the day, "Mon" people lived everywhere. Thais came down from China, and they had lighter skin, there just weren't so many of them, and most settled in the north.

Banana Boi
03-06-23, 18:30
I'll take number 2 and possibly number 3 if I had a more revealing photo. Don't care what her nationality is. I would turn down 1 and 4 even if they were freebies and they were super horned up.

Sam Sanuk
03-09-23, 08:11
I'll take number 2 and possibly number 3 if I had a more revealing photo. Don't care what her nationality is. I would turn down 1 and 4 even if they were freebies and they were super horned up.For those who are curious, #1 and #4 are Thai. #2 and #3 are Khmer. Too bad BB wasn't attracted to #1. One of the best service providers you could ask for. Photo below was taken a few years ago, but shows enough of the merchandise to make many interested, IMO. #4 provided the best GFE I ever experienced.

In any event, the responses (albeit a small sampling) tends to validate my belief that "you can't tell a book from its cover". .

Mongoose312
03-12-23, 19:26
As a generalisation. The "average" Khmer girl traditionally has darker skin. The lighter skinned lovelies more than likely have some Chinese ancestry. Which is quite common.

As factors such as socio economic factors also come into play. Ie province girls that many grow up in rural areas compare to capital city upbringing and wealth.

And of course there are the skin whitening products and bizzare almost "glad wrap with a very strong skin peeling cream" process some girls with go through for lighter skin.

I prefer the more traditional dark skin Khmer girl look.

DingoD.Interesting that the Khmer language is a branch of the Austro-Asiatic Group, so it's more similar to some languages spoken in India than Thai / Lao. The Khmer people were part of a different, earlier wave of migration than the Thai and Vietnamese-although Vietnamese as a language did also emerge from this same root. Khmer are generally darker with wider noses than Thai, but as many have pointed out, it's really impossible to tell.

Vendelo
03-21-23, 20:21
I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.

Sammon
03-21-23, 21:03
I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.Bring lots of $1, $5, $10, $20, few $100 . Dollars are generally accepted. $1 roughly equals 4000 Cambodia riel. Not sure now but $1 gets you transportation point to point few years ago.

All girls and bars accept dollar bills.

Horatio
03-22-23, 01:58
I have limited experience in Cambodia, so verify with others but I had a hard time with old looking hundreds. People wanted new crisp ones because they suspected the old ones were fake.


I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.

Fenyx
03-22-23, 03:54
I participate in the Thailand and Mexico forums. I have RTTFed the last 100 pages of this PP forum to find out about paying in USD. I haven't found recent information so I will ask:

1) Should I expect to pay in USD?

2) If the answer is yes to question no. 1, what denominations should I bring? Dollar bills, tens and twenties?

3) Should I bring some Riel?

Thanks in advance.1) You can pay in USD or Riel, both are accepted. Riel is fixed to the dollar at 4000/4100 riel to $1 and they are used interchangeably. Most prices are quoted in dollars but more commonly you will be given the price in both USD and Riel. You have to be careful with USD because they will not accept old bills, torn bills, or bills with any other defects at all, e. G. Pen markings. Also note that when paying with USD you will typically be getting change back in riel, so be sure to count your change before you leave because I have been screwed over before.

2) $10, $20, $50, $100 are all accepted. Many places won't take $1 or $5 anymore, although tuk tuks generally will still accept $1. The ATMs disperse $100 bills only but they can be difficult to use for small purchases as places won't want to give change.

3) You don't need to if you already have USD and is easy to exchange to Riel because of the fixed exchange rate.

Generally I carry both riel and USD. I use riel for all my everyday purchases, food, tuk tuks, buying anything at the market, etc. And USD for more expensive items. But you could absolutely get by using only riel if you want.

SouthEaster
03-22-23, 08:38
Don't bring many 1 and 5 dollar notes. They are making a push towards Riel and the use of these has diminished a lot. Bring a few for initial transport costs and as another poster said, bring only new crispy 50's and 100's. You can still use any dollar note but you will find most transactions are in Riel, even though they keep pricing everything in dollars!

Vendelo
03-22-23, 14:40
1) You can pay in USD or Riel, both are accepted. Riel is fixed to the dollar at 4000/4100 riel to $1 and they are used interchangeably. Most prices are quoted in dollars but more commonly you will be given the price in both USD and Riel. You have to be careful with USD because they will not accept old bills, torn bills, or bills with any other defects at all, e. G. Pen markings. Also note that when paying with USD you will typically be getting change back in riel, so be sure to count your change before you leave because I have been screwed over before.

2) $10, $20, $50, $100 are all accepted. Many places won't take $1 or $5 anymore, although tuk tuks generally will still accept $1. The ATMs disperse $100 bills only but they can be difficult to use for small purchases as places won't want to give change.

3) You don't need to if you already have USD and is easy to exchange to Riel because of the fixed exchange rate.

Generally I carry both riel and USD. I use riel for all my everyday purchases, food, tuk tuks, buying anything at the market, etc. And USD for more expensive items. But you could absolutely get by using only riel if you want.Thanks so much for the detailed info. If you ever need info on Mexico or Thailand let me know.

Vendelo
03-22-23, 20:02
Don't bring many 1 and 5 dollar notes. They are making a push towards Riel and the use of these has diminished a lot. Bring a few for initial transport costs and as another poster said, bring only new crispy 50's and 100's. You can still use any dollar note but you will find most transactions are in Riel, even though they keep pricing everything in dollars!Thanks for the information. I really appreciate it and will return the favor with a trip report in June.