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Member #3443
11-06-08, 09:16
months of police raids on brothels have driven prostitutes onto the streets and into conflict with local authorities; but despite the nightly arrests, the situation is not improving.
sex workers wait for customers in phnom penh's wat phnom district.
months of brothel busts have led to a sharp spike in street-based prostitution, pitting gangsters and pimps against local authorities in a battle for control of the capital's streets and parks.
but as local authorities struggle to maintain public order, nightly arrests and well-publicised rights abuses at detention centres are making prostitutes and their pimps fight back with an unprecedented vengeance.
"i have become the target of the pimps. they sometimes want to murder me," said pich socheata, daun penh district's deputy governor who leads street patrols to crack down on public soliciting.
the kingdom's new anti-trafficking legislation came into effect in february, and punishes soliciting sex with one to six days in detention or a 3,000 to 6,000 riel (us$0.75 to $1.50) fine.
but rights groups claim the legislation has been used by police as a licence to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and rob. two ministry of social affairs detention centres - the phnom penh social affairs centre and kos romdoul centre - have been singled out for the abuses of detainees there.
rights groups add that the detainees have not been charged with a crime.
"i was arrested while i was out walking with some friends," said srey ni, 27, a sex worker who was held at the ministry of social affairs-run rehabilitation center prey speu for four months.
"the conditions were horrible, like i'd imagine it was at tuol sleng. i received no education and was only let outside once during the time i was there, to cut the grass with scissors. i was released when the staff felt i had finished my sentence," srey ni said.
ineffective approach
authorities say the crime problem leaves them overstretched and with no choice but to hold offenders in detention centres.
the conditions were horrible, like i'd imagine it was at tuol sleng.
"robbery and prostitution have increased by two percent in our area compared with last year," said deputy governor pich socheata.
according to daun penh district statistics, a street patrol last year - which in daun penh cover streets 108, 106 and the area around wat phnom - would net between 10 and 15 cases of robbery and prostitution. this year they are arresting about 30 prostitutes per night.
despite the number of arrests, the authorities acknowledge the current approach isn't working as a long-term solution.
"we send those women to different organisations whose programs support women's basic rights. but they just return to their old jobs after two or three months," said pich socheata.
but the spike in crime caused by the rise in street-based prostitution leaves them with little option but to continue with nightly arrests.
"we would like ngos to come with us when we try and arrest these girls so they can see how difficult it is," she added.
too much to handle
even the five ngos mandated to work with social affairs ministry on the rehabilitation of sex workers admit the approach is a problem.
according to nop sarin sreyroth, secretary general of the cambodian women's crisis centre, moving the battle over prostitution onto the streets has failed.
already overstretched local authorities have no choice but to try to remove the sex workers from the area due to the public order implications of their soliciting.
in the process, the sex workers themselves are made far more vulnerable to theft and gang [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).
for the month of october, cwcc received 19 people who were sent from the ministry and all of them returned to the street, said muong mearadey, head of cwcc's phnom penh office.
"we offer counseling and vocational training programs, but most girls do not want to stay in the organisation so we send them back to the streets," she said.
according to naly pilorge, director of licadho, the government needs to radically change the way it deals with homeless people in phnom penh's streets.
"arresting them and locking them up in so-called social affairs centres, where they are at high risk of physical and sexual abuse by the staff, does nothing to address the real issues of why people are living or working on the streets," she told the post on tuesday.
mu sochua, the sam rainsy party's deputy secretary general, also said that the government needed a clear strategy if it were serious about curbing street-based prostitution.
"i think the government has not had any proper solution to the problem because it has existed for 10 to 20 years already," she said.
a total of 537 women were arrested for soliciting in the first nine months of the year, according to statistics from the anti-trafficking ngo afesip.
Member #3443
11-06-08, 09:18
I will be in PP Next week for the festival ! !
Rights groups condemn the government's latest roundup of homeless
THE Phnom Penh Municipality has launched a pre-Water Festival crackdown on homelessness that has seen at least 40 people detained, including two children in its first day.
"We arrest them only for big national celebrations to keep order and create a good atmosphere during the celebrations, especially the Water Festival," Pich Socheata, Daun Penh district deputy governor, told the Post Tuesday.
"We start to collect the street people one week before the Water Festival. In 2007, we arrested 70 people before the festival started. If we add up the number of people we arrested last year, there were 200 or 300," she said.
The roundup, which began Sunday and ends Friday, focuses on 11 Phnom Penh communes. Those detained are kept at Ministry of Social Affairs rehabilitation centres, Pich Socheata added.
But rights groups and the United Nations have lashed out at the crackdown.
"It is not by rounding up poor people from the street that one struggles effectively against poverty," said Christophe Peschoux, head of the UN Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights.
"This is done in the name of beautification, but there is no beauty in collecting poor people from the street and sending them to so-called rehabilitation centres - which are de facto detention centres," he added.
The Water Festival, which runs next Tuesday to Thursday, is expected to attract millions of visitors from Cambodia and abroad.
Phnom Penh Police Chief Touch Naruth said at a conference last Thursday that NGOs were unfairly criticising the pre-festival dragnet.
"We always hear the accusation from civil society groups when we arrest people in public places. They say we violate their freedoms and we never give them skills, but through this conference, I would like to deny that we ever do what they are accusing us," he said.
"If we really did what they say we are doing, there wouldn't be homelessness in Cambodia ... those street people are not willing to stay in the centres that we offer," he added.
He said the government faces serious resource shortages but was making a genuine effort to help street people find alternative ways of life.
One Phnom Penh resident complained that her son had been falsely detained for a drug offence.
"Last night they arrested my son and daughter, who are under the age of 25, by accusing them of using drugs. But I believe that they do not use drugs at all," said San Heang, 53.
"They said they arrested my children to make order for the city. Please, I would like to get them back," she said.
"I understand that having beggars is really not good for the city. But what can be done?" she asked.
Almost EVERY Girl will claim that she has a sick sister/grandmother/father/brother/buffalo whatever.
Sounds like they've learned a thing or two from the Thais. My last visit 6 months ago, to PP, really felt a lot like Thailand in lots of ways. Unfortunatley, the cambos feel the gold rush has arrived!
Still, best value is still LCC.
I'm in town now and I couldn't agree more. The hostess bar scene is still good fun, but you can spend a whole lot of money and time and end up with nothing or nearly nothing. LCC always seems to satisfy.
And touristy isn't the word for this town now that the high season has started. I went to the FCC today for a beer at sunset and it was standing room only, everyone clutching their Lonely Planet and the whole place feeling like, I dunno . . . Singapore or something. Ah well, Asia moves on.
Cunning Stunt
11-08-08, 11:58
Arrived from Snooky yesterday. First impressions is, wow, the place has tarted itself up since my last visit, but quickly discovered that this consists of doing up the Siowath Quay river frontage (a work in progress) whilst behind this thin coat of veneer, the old PP lives and breathes. Checked in at the Cozyna (recommended by several on this forum) which has clean, functional rooms for $23 in a great location. The fact that it does not have a lift and I’m on a higher floor is a plus as I need the exercise after several weeks of gorging on delicious local foods have expanded my waistline. Imagine the whining from female visitors to my room, though. I can’t wait:D.
One thing I have noticed is the increase in traffic volume, particularly those pesky 2 stroke monstrosities that are the bane of many SE Asian/Chinese cities. Within a couple of hours of arrival last night, I was nearly decapitated by one. They are invariably driven by morons who seem to look everywhere except the direction in which they are driving. They are also driven on sidewalks or against the traffic so you need 360% vision. A stroll in formerly pleasant walking cities such as Georgetown, HCMC or PP, is now about as much fun as a game of Russian Roulette. Thank god they haven’t taken off in a very big way in the Philippines or I would relocate to Milton Keynes ;).
Pissed it down with rain last night so started off with a glass of red and a steak in the rather nice, swishy new brasserie next to the Cozyna. Then importuned a rather bedraggled looking tuk tuk driver to whip me up Ph 104 where I had beers in a couple of incredibly noisy bars, populated by scores of shrieking girls. It was all too much for my frazzled nerves (I had just had my near death experience) so didn’t investigate the wares too closely and made a quick getaway. Did I miss something? From the quality of the girls I did see, I think not, but maybe I need to investigate further when in a calmer frame of mind.
So found an even more bedraggled tuk tuk driver who smilingly offered to take me anywhere for $2. How about Milton Keynes I quipped, which he seemed to find inordinately funny. He must know Milton Keynes. PP tuk tuckers are so different from their snarling, scheming, scamming brothers in Bangkok – wonder for how long? So he chugged me out to Martini’s in his poor underpowered, spluttering tuk tuk, being overtaken by Khmer grannies, driving zimmer frames, on the way.
Well Martini’s has not changed one whit. Immediately accosted by several desperate looking Viets on my way to the bar. The place was fairly quiet due to the horrible weather no doubt, and so the girls there were worried they wouldn’t make their beer money. Offered all kinds of perverse and deviant pleasures by a couple of old Viet hags, before my eyes alighted on a tiny little Viet spinnerette (my kinda gal) and her taller, willowy friend. Unfortunately the small girl had a voice like a badly tuned foghorn, and I quickly decided that she would reduce me to a quivering, jelly man in short order if I took her. Her attitude stunk as well. The willowy, skinnier bint, however, was promising and became even more so when she introduced me to her 18 year old sister (she was 20). Yeah, yeah I said, but they definitely looked like sisters so maybe are. You Martini regulars might know the girls – forget their names but they are from Chau Doc. Are they really sisters?
Unfortunately, the younger sister was otherwise occupied. Damn. The older sister was trying to interest me in a 3some for $30 all in, her and a choice of 1 from 4 of her mates. Thought why not and chose a not particularly attractive girl but who had a good attitude (she had been giving me a rather pleasant shoulder massage for ages). So off we chugged, with the 3rd caped and bedraggled tuk tucker of the evening, back to the hotel. As expected the girls whined and moaned at the pre-coital exercise expected of them in the ascent of Mount Cozyna!
Wish I could say that the service was good but it wasn’t, really. It was about as professional and non-GFE as you could get and they both worked hard to get me off as quick as they could so that they could get on their bikes. I gritted my teeth and nearly bust a gut playing things out as long as I could. Quite proud that I held out for nearly an hour of their combined oral and genital persuasion before I reluctantly had to give best. They were really whining by the end. Must have had another appointment :D.
The younger one had a really good, tight body with a cute little butt. The other girl, sadly, didn’t and although she swore that she was childless, she looked, unclad, like she had mared a litter. Nice brown skin, however, in counterpoint to her much paler skinned mate.
Not altogether an unpleasant way to spend an hour for a derisory $30. As an amusing after note, 5 minutes after they had whirlwinded their way out, there was a timid knock at the door. They were back but not for seconds. They had lost their way in the, admittedly, confusing hotel and wanted me to act as guide in the descent of Mount Cozyna. Being the gentleman that I am, I acceded, and what is more, didn’t charge for the service:D.
P.S If you are in any way of a nervous or highly strung nature, stay out of PP streets between 5-7 each evening when madness prevails. And definitely stay out of PP next week when the Boat Festival happens, and the place goes really mad. I once had the dubious delight of been in PP at that time and I can tell you the streets get so crowded that you have to go back to your hotel room to breathe and turn around. Its sheer chaos.
I've been to Thailand many times. I'm scheduled to fly in to PP last Friday night. Any suggestion, leaving the airport, hotel, etc. Or anybody currently there to show me the ropes, have a beer. I can afford more than a budget hotel, pool would be nice to. Also going to Siem Reap, haven't decided which place first.
Kenny Rogers
11-08-08, 17:24
When I was there earlier this year, prepaid SIM-cards were easily available in the street of the market near the river front (Phsar Chas/Street 13?) for a few dollars.
When I've been there in June I had no problem as well getting a SIM-Card. October, though, things had changed and four outlets demanded to see my passport.
Probably one could wiggle around it with a few $$$, but why ? Cheaper and more convenient to find a proxy :-)
When I've been there in June I had no problem as well getting a SIM-Card. October, though, things had changed and four outlets demanded to see my passport.
Probably one could wiggle around it with a few $$$, but why ? Cheaper and more convenient to find a proxy :-)
When I was in PNH this February, my driver, Sovan Mee, got me a SIM-card.
But I paid him USD 20/day for his (other) services. This time I would not need him, so I would probably have tip a 'proxy' $10, unless it was a long term GF.
So might as well 'wiggle around it with a few $$$' at the hotel or a mobile phone shop and promise to return the SIM there.
Btw. there is a suitable mobile shop right accross the street from Flamingos
Did I miss something?
Personally I like 104 St. It's the coziest of the bar areas in PP, and some of the bars can be good fun. Basically it comes down to poking your head (the big one) into every bar on the street and finding one that feels right. Generally I prefer places like Rose with slightly older girls to the ones like One Zero Four with bunches of clueless virgins just in from the countryside. Even at Rose and the like there's no assurance that any particular girl will actually go with customers, so it's better treated as a drinking scene than a sure-thing mongering one. Though there have been some nice surprises over the years . . . .
Yes, One Zero Four girls do go with customers LT. I had two. But the negotiated price was $40 LT. Both girls I took were young and had great bodies.
For some reason Cambodian girls pussy has no hint of smell at all.
One Zero Bar also has short time rooms upstairs. I never tried it, i would much prefer LT and they do stay next day.
Heart of darkess did not have much of a pick. Most the girls there came accompanied. It is turning out to be a tourist Disco bar.
Walkabout had some good looking girls. Lt price is $25-30.
Martni had two types of girls. More ugly ones seem to be cambodian and some viet good looking. Seems like all good looking girls had mamasans.
I had some good success in the casino. Many good looking girls hang out there but asking price was $50 LT.
They get lots of gamblers who are staying in the upstairs hotel.
Yes, One Zero Four girls do go with customers LT. Well, some do. Others don't, full stop. And the main problem is even some of the ones who go are so young and clueless that there's not much point.
Seriously, I think that if you have more than a few days here, you find a favorite bar and become a regular. It's almost the only way to get the really nice ones.
I still like this town, but frankly the Walkabout is looking better and better . . . .
uh... those prices are why walkabout is still thre best place in town.
I had some good success in the casino. Many good looking girls hang out there but asking price was $50 LT.
They get lots of gamblers who are staying in the upstairs hotel.
Which casino? Where is it? Name?
Anyone know, Casa Hotel, Juliana. I'm considering these
The name is Naga casino. It is next to big Cambodiana Hotel.
If you gamble they give a coupon for free buffet western type dinner there also.
Most of the girls just hang around away from the gaming floor. Just try to chat up carefully because they do not want to be thought of as call girls.
They do try to hit you up for lot of money but if you negotiate they will come down. They are used to gamblers who do not care for money.
Cunning Stunt
11-11-08, 13:41
Spent the second day doing normal touristy things which mainly involved dodging hoards of beggars, amputees, kids, pimps, prostitutes, moto and tuk tuk drivers with their invariable ‘Want *****, mister’ – add a word from the following … massage, girl, boy, ride, tour, drugs, lonely planet guides etc etc. Made an interesting side trip to Tuol Sleng, which was Pol Pot’s chief extermination and torture centre. Formerly a school, it’s a very bleak and somber place which has a similar dark, haunted atmosphere of Bergen Belsen or Auschwitz. Really puts everything into perspective. Otherwise just hung out on the riverside and watched the preparations for the boat festival. Lots of girls milling around and received a few sweet smiles and ‘hello’s’ but mainly just friendly Khmer behavior and didn’t particularly get the impression that they were available. Might be wrong though and I imagine a little application and effort could reap rich dividends.
In the evening, headed back to 104 as I was sure their must be better bars than the dumps I had ventured into the first night. There was. Roses Bar in a more relaxed, ‘normal’ bar with plenty of attractive girls (some 7’s and 8’s) and a more muted, laid back ambience, with decidedly better music. Chatted for a while with a cute, little, very dark skinned 23 year old Khmer girl who said she had only been back in the bar a week after a spell away in her village. She stressed the point that she had not been barfined since her return to work. Was interested but surprised that the BF is $10 and she wanted $40 LT, although I got the feeling that she was trying it on and was very open to lower offers. But wanted to eat and look in other places so told her I would do an Arnold. Monsoon’s closed so had some Indian nosh in the Kebab Shop – pretty tasty with a very friendly, helpful Indian manager.
I then decided to check out the Golden Vine on 51 as it has received some positive reports here. Right after I arrived, the heavens opened and it rained stair rods for 90 minutes so I was stuck there whether I liked it or not. Must admit that I was a initially a little disappointed with the choice as there was only a couple that I would describe as bonkable 6-7’s with the rest 5’s or below. They were mostly older girls than those in Rose’s as well, some well into their 30's I would say. Then locked eyes with a sexy and slender Viet and she sashayed on over. Her name was Han and she was 30. Nice figure and an interesting face. I would describe her as looking like the love child of Michael Jackson and Victoria Beckham, if you can visualize such a creature and it does not put you off your lunch. But she oozed sexuality and promised me all sorts of carnal delights so big brain switched off and hello little brain. Must admit she turned out be the best lay in Cambodia, so far, very experienced and quickly deduced what turned my crank and we had a great time. Paid for her LT but let her go after a few hours as I sleep much better alone these days. Well worth the $20 plus a $5 dollar tip that I gave her. Recommended.
My last night in PP, I headed to Walkabout Bar. And I thought LA Café was a rough dive, but Walkabout’s makes that place look like a sophisticated nightclub. Plenty of girls about though and a few stunners but many with that glazed, 1000 yard stare of FL’s who have partied a little more than is good for them. So after a game of pool and watching the footie for a while, I decided to finish off up at Martini’s again, to see if the sisters from the first night were about and available. They were not but quickly hooked up with a tiny (4’ 9”), 20 year old, walking Khmer whirlwind called Mok who blew me away. As it was my last night in town, I reluctantly agreed to her unbending demand for $30 LT, as she was an absolute stunner. Wish I could say that she turned out to be a Duracell fuck bunny in bed as well, but unfortunately that was not the case and her BJ was perfunctory at best and, although I got her squirming a bit when yum yumming her tight little pussy, she was basically a bit of a starfish. Had a cracking body though but would not allow any photo’s, even fully clothed. So many of these girls seemed to have wised up to the David Baileys amongst the mongering fraternity and unless sweetened with a big tip, do not allow pix.
On my way out to Martini’s, I saw plenty of upmarket looking hostess clubs. Are these a local preserve or can anybody play? Are they expensive and can girls be BF’d from them? If I was in town longer I might be tempted to try them.
So on to Siem Reap and Battambang, where I am sure there will be mongering opportunities, and if they are worth taking then I might just indulge and report back. Otherwise it back into traveler mode until I return to Thailand.
G
this will be my first time, if anybody would like to meet for a beer and maybe show me the ropes let me know. My e-mail is gpb59@hotmail.com
What is the usual cost to go from the airport to town? I'm going to the juliana hotel .
Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way. Also since you don't know, Jackson does not allow members to post their email addresses in the forum.
Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way.
Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
(ps found my earlier PP report with links if it's of interest to newcomers http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791949&postcount=1391 But bear in mind it's just my taste - I don't like the foreign themed bars or certain areas.)
Berny,
The last time I was in PP, I paid $7.00 for airport transfer; Juliana Hotel will transport you for a fee of $15.00 one way. Also since you don't know, Jackson does not allow members to post their email addresses in the forum.
Sorry about the email post, is it allowed in a private message?
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
Another question, do you have any link for information on traveling to thailand. I've read the horror stories of length of time traveling on land, 8 hours turning into 13,14 hours. I'm inclined to fly to BKK unless there is some legitimate way to go overland that will take the time it's supposed to take.
Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
Another question, do you have any link for information on traveling to thailand. I've read the horror stories of length of time traveling on land, 8 hours turning into 13,14 hours. I'm inclined to fly to BKK unless there is some legitimate way to go overland that will take the time it's supposed to take.
Berny - hate to say this - but have you thought of spending some time going thru the forum? You'll find the answers to most of your questions if you just go back thru the posts instead of asking everyone to do it for you. But quickly, flights to BKK cost next to nothing.
Fast Eddie 48
11-12-08, 23:08
Same here. They wouldn't budge off $7. Though if you are booking a hotel in advance it's probably always worth asking if they will include free transfer from the airport. For Siem Reap, there's def no need to pay.
(ps found my earlier PP report with links if it's of interest to newcomers http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=791949&postcount=1391 But bear in mind it's just my taste - I don't like the foreign themed bars or certain areas.)Christopherd,
All taxi inside the PP airport charge 7 usd to town ,the airport charge a fee for taxi driver options is take a moto bike or walk outside the airport to main rd to catch a taxi for about 4 usd if you don't have alot of baggage but just to save a few buck not a good thing.
Fast eddie 48
Member #3443
11-17-08, 09:40
Water Festival was a blast last week in PP. I know many people say to stay away during this time, but I had alot of fun. Compared to last year, not alot of crime as police did a crackdown months before the festival and had 10,000 police and gendarmerie in PP for the festival. It was estimated that 3.5 million people were there for the last day. Also they had 21 light boats on the river this year vice 8 from last year. The light boats were very nice to look at at night when they were all lit up. It led to a real festive look and feel.
As for the play part. I bar hopped and settled at Rose club for one evening. The girls were very friendly and there were alot of pretty ones. I settled on one at the end of the night (see photo section) and went back to the hotel. Did pretty much the standard things with her. She stayed the night and I gave her $20 in the morning.
At one of the massage places, I found a PRC girl. She was about 5'7" and spoke not a lick of english. She gave a great massage and then on the flip I got her naked and stroking me. When sufficiently hard dove into that pussy while she did bbbj. I got her off 2x before I mounted her. She came another 2x before I came. She had great muscle control too and did a little milking of me at the end. I saw her 2 more times during the day as my Viet sweetie stayed most nights with me (see photo section). My viet sweetie besides speaking vietnamese also is fluent in Khmer, chinese and some english.
I will be back for Water Festival next year :)
Have noticed a few posts about getting to Bangkok - i am sure they meant Pattaya. This is how i did it....
PP - Koh Kong (border town) Lim Vireak Bus 8 AM 5 hrs 12 usd
Koh Kong - cambodian border 20 mins moto 100 baht 3 / usd
Thai border - Trat 1 hr 15 songthaew/or if lucky mini bus (every 30 mins)
Trat - Pattaya - 15.00 4 hrs Minibus 300 baht / 9 usd
Getting in time for the 15. 00 from Trat is vital. As high season nears, there will be more operators doing the PP. Koh Kong route. Youve got to try and get the earliest one.
The Trat minibus operator runs from Trat town centre on Sukhumvit road.
The journey can be done in reverse but you will never make the 12. 00/13. 00 buses from Koh Kong to PP (at present there is only an 8am! ). Instead take a taxi. They are fast and cheap. If you refuse to pay ridiculous first quotes. I always get them for 15 bucks (sinouk or pp) which is just a bit more than a bus actually. And I never take one where they stuff 4 in the back seat either.
You also need to know the tel no. For the minibus in advance. Any travel agent will scam you up to 800 baht.
This way saves money on the 38 usd PP-Pattaya I ve seen advertised and by breaking up the journey, it certainly beats the 12 hrs on a BKK bus too.
If you walk outside the airport to one of the tuk-tuks just outside, you can go to pretty much any hotel in town for $3. It just takes staying firm on your price when they try to complain that it is too far, you have too many bags, gas is too expensive, etc. Actually, you can almost certainly get one for $2, but after a flight I am never in the mood to bargain hard. There is absolutely no negotiating with any of the drivers whose vehicles are inside the gates, so just walk past them as quickly as possible.
Phil Istine
11-19-08, 13:44
Returned from Bangkok on the Wednesday night, last night of bon oom dtook. Fucken taxis demanded nine dollars minimum within the airport.
Told them and the tuks to get fucked.
Ended up sitting on the bags waiting for a taxi that never came and had to take a tuktuk back to bkk1 for five bucks, traffic and pedestrians were terrible as we got to monivong, now understood the taxi surcharge.
Anyway we got home eventually, god I hate the water festival.
fucken taxis demanded nine dollars minimum within the airport.
told them and the tuks to get fucked.
ended up sitting on the bags waiting for a taxi that never came and had to take a tuktuk back to bkk1 for five bucks, traffic and pedestrians were terrible as we got to monivong, now understood the taxi surcharge.
i think there's some good points there. it can be a pretty dusty, unlovable road. i was pleased i'd brought one of those stretchy head scarfs that double as a face mask. but i remember wondering in the tuktuk whether it was really worth the difference to experience all the environmental 'loveliness'. depends on my mood i suppose. i'd consider a moto for speed when my luggage was just a small backpack. but especially returning to the airport, after a nice clean shower, do i really want to sit on a plane covered in all that pp air pollution? or gratis a tuktuk that saves me a measly amount after i stand at the 'kerb' with lorries spouting fumes at me while i wait??
Phil Istine
11-21-08, 23:26
We have used the metred taxis to get to the airport recently.The charge is about $7 but the drivers never know the best way to go.
From my part of town getting onto st 271 and then the toll road,solar road is always quick apart from around the bridge works in stung meanchay.
Hi,
I'm looking to visit P/P and Siem Reap in Dec for 1 week. Was wondering if anyone can recommend some good hotels in either places and bars/pubs which is a must to go a visit (time is limited and want to just go to the highly recommended places - shorlisted hotels to stay and bars/pubs).
Thanks in advance.
Osid6,
I worked in PP several years back and still visit from time to time. I try to stay at the Flamingo Hotel, its near Walkabout and Shanghi bars. They have a website and can pick you up at the airport. I haven't stayed there ina few months, but I don't think things have changed. Just be sure to email them ASAP. Just my thoughts.
Osid6,
I worked in PP several years back and still visit from time to time. I try to stay at the Flamingo Hotel, its near Walkabout and Shanghi bars. They have a website and can pick you up at the airport. I haven't stayed there ina few months, but I don't think things have changed. Just be sure to email them ASAP. Just my thoughts.
Flamingo is ok. They have a website (must google, don't have the address handy sorry) and you should make a reservation thru the website or else risk showing up and the hotel being fully booked. I did make a reservation and this happened to me anyway -- after pressing my case and showing them the printed email from them confirming my reservation, I managed to get a room.
That said, if your priority is being near Walkabout and Heart of Darkness, Flamingo is good. If not, the big drawback in that area is a lack of selection of food. Riverfront is the best area if you want some variety in what you eat, and convenience. Prices over there are about the same. There's also some decent places just a block or 2 from the riverfront that are nice and a tad cheaper.
A place I saw that's much nicer than Flamingo, in the same area, and includes a nice pool: Billabong. Again, you have to google it.
Flamingo's site.
http://www.flamingos.com.kh/index.php
Shadow6491
11-26-08, 10:31
Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.
Thank you all for your help. All i need is some names of recommended places and ill google them up and do my own research.
A friend of mine recently sent me some links and informing of a shooting in Heart of Darkness. He also showed me a link to some crazy things Hun Sen's nephews have done - apparently Hun Sen's nephew in law is the new head of police. Are the bars there really as dangerous as it seems. Or will things be alright if you mind your own business and always be respectful.
As you can tell im very inexperienced.
If its not too much trouble can you throw some names of hotels you know in Sieam Reap also? We will be spreading our time between these two cities.
Thanks very much in advance.
Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.
Are you sure? I could have sworn I'd seen posts here in this thread about guys who'd stayed there and brought girls back. Could be wrong. Did you go there yourself and check? I did go there to take a look at it, didn't stay since I was just in PP a couple days and had already checked into Flamingo. And no, I didn't actually ask if it was GF cuz I was assuming it was, based on reports I'd seen here. Tho -- like I said, I could be wrong.
It's a big step up from Flamingo in terms of comfort, I gotta say. Much nicer. Tho if you're right, that sure would throw a wrench in the works.
Let me do a search in this thread and see what comes up... not doubting you, just wanna see whatever it is I saw way back when that gave me this idea.
OK I came across these 2 conflicting reports:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=620950&highlight=billabong#post620950
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=599493&highlight=billabong#post599493
These are the only 2 in the thread that deal with this issue. The one saying they are GF seems more first-hand. Either way, sounds like even if it is GF at all, it's not nearly as GF as Flamingo.
It'd be great if there was a place that was as nice as Billabong, with a pool, that was GF. Days are really boring in PP. A pool would be perfect. I have to admit, I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).
I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).True, their restaurant sucks, but there are plenty of good local places within a couple minutes walk up or down Pasteur. And many more around the corner toward Sorya and the Central Market, including Pho Olympic, maybe the best pho place in town.
Member #4147
11-27-08, 18:11
No problem with a girl at all. Highly recommend! Seem girl friendly. Never a problem, different girl everyday or night.
Billabong is not guest friendly. They have a very strict policy of no mixed couples. They are catering to the single white female traveler that does not want to see any taxi girls.
Shadow6491
11-28-08, 04:09
I am absolutly 100% sure. I live here and keep up with punter related topics, as that is all I do here.
A friend of mine that came in from Thailand only last week tried to take a girl to the pool there. He even checked with them first. When he got there he was refused entry or service.
Shadow6491
11-28-08, 04:12
Just for confirmation check out there home page. At the bottom in capitol letters.
SEX TOURISTS ARE NOT WELCOME.
http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/
Billabong was great!
No problem with a girl at all. Highly recommend! Seem girl friendly. Never a problem, different girl everyday or night.
Well, we seem to have a clear first-person testimony that it's GF after all. Billabong is more expensive, for sure, but what you get in return seems worth it (great atmosphere, nice pool with poolside bar/restaurant). It's a block away from Flamingo, so whatever Flamingo has in the vicinity, Billabong does too.
True, their restaurant sucks, but there are plenty of good local places within a couple minutes walk up or down Pasteur. And many more around the corner toward Sorya and the Central Market, including Pho Olympic, maybe the best pho place in town.
Hm. I walked around that area and didn't find these spots. Open daytime? Got any specifics? In any case, I'm sure offerings there aren't anything like what you would see over by the riverfront, with choices of any kind of cuisine and all different price ranges. The lakeside also has lots of food choices but I'd never stay there... the lake is filthy, for one. The accommodations are a big step down -- rough, basically. Cots and fans. There's another area on the south side of town that I haven't explored thoroughly yet, but there are a good number of places to eat down there. I mean, foreigner-oriented places to eat. I don't go in for the streetside mystery-meat soups or gerbil spleen stew you can get for ultra-cheap.
Feeling quite jaded aft few night rounds in HOD, Martinis and along others on st104. Overall quite satisfied with the Khmer gals here. Try look for Lia or Nia in Martini..you will see the diffirence.
Can anyone suggest a good place for massage and with happy ending? thanks
Fton
I mean, foreigner-oriented places to eat. I don't go in for the streetside mystery-meat soups or gerbil spleen stew you can get for ultra-cheap.Ah, OK, not much around Flamingo in that case. But if you like pho at all (Vietnamese beef noodle soup) do try Olympic Pho: walk north on 51, take the first left (154?) for 100m and it's on your left. 6000R, lovely stuff, especially on a hangover.
Jimmy Boy 99
11-28-08, 07:19
Ultra pilot may not have had a problem at Billabong Hotel but the hotel's website says sex tourists are not welcome. http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/
Member #4147
11-28-08, 09:28
Perhaps due to my debauchery in April. But no one there seemed to be anything but helpful and pleasant when I was there.
Ultra pilot may not have had a problem at Billabong Hotel but the hotel's website says sex tourists are not welcome. http://www.thebillabonghotel.com/
I havnt stayd there my self but it looks like it has a pool on the roof.
http://www.bigluckhotel.com/index.html
It'd be great if there was a place that was as nice as Billabong, with a pool, that was GF. Days are really boring in PP. A pool would be perfect. I have to admit, I felt a bit trapped when at Flamingo, since it's only near Walkabout and Heart, no decent places to eat in that neighborhood (their own restaurant was not what I'd call good).
walk up rooms ARE available at FLAMINGO - i GOT ONE FOR 2 DAYS TONITE
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-28-08, 17:11
After the bus ride from Saigon and checking into the hotel I took a nap, got something to eat and headed to St 51 to check things out. First thing I saw was Black Cat so I went in to look around. Shortly after sitting down I was joined by a lovely lady and her English was very good so we talked for a while. Then I made a mistake, I fell in love with this 20-year-old little Cambodian girl behind the bar, her name was Niel, or something like that. (Sorry, but I’m having a heck of a time with Cambodian names) This was her first week, she was so sweet and shy yet sexy and very sexual while we were together. The lady I was with saw this and asked the girl to come and meet me, OMG, she took my breath away. The three of us moved outside and Niel was touching/massaging me as we sat and talked. The lady with us asked if I wanted to take Niel to my hotel and of course I said I’d love to but asked her to ask Niel if she wanted to go with me, she said she did. Then I asked how much and how long, it was $50.00 all night and $30.00 for 2 hours plus $5.00 bar fine. I tried to negotiate but I’d showed my hand by being so taken with Niel that they didn’t budge. I asked about services, all night, photos, DFK, sex several times and different positions, BJ, DATY, and Niel was asked if she agreed and she did. I opted for all night and I knew it was way too much but did it anyways.
Well it wasn’t worth it. In the room she took a shower, came out and turned off the lights, in bed under the covers, a couple of nice kisses, a few kisses and few licks that was supposed to be a BJ, I tried DATY but she refused, she asked for a condom and climbed on top, switched positions a couple of times, I finished doggie, she got up and went in the bathroom, came out and said she had to go. Seeing that she wasn’t what I thought/hoped it would be I told her OK. She asked for the 50 but I gave her 20 and kicked her out. When she was gone I turned on the lights and discovered that Niel was on the rag! It was everywhere.
The next night I went back to the Black Cat, Niel was all smiles when she saw me, was she thinking I came back to get her again? LOL I told the lady I was first with and who help broker the deal that I was pissed because Niel was a liar. She said she knew what happened and was sorry. I told her it just wasn’t right and I was going to tell all my friends to stay away from the Black Cat because the girls were liars and cheaters and walked out.
Mike
walk up rooms ARE available at FLAMINGO - i GOT ONE FOR 2 DAYS TONITE
Depends on the season. My problem happened in February, and it was full again in March when I was back again.
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-28-08, 18:37
What’s with the girls standing/working on the corner by the shopping center on Street 63? I walked by there last night and was approached by one, she asked if I wanted her to go to my hotel and sleep with me. She looked young and I walked away without asking anything.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-28-08, 19:05
This afternoon I just stopped in for a Coke and to rest for a while. I sat at a table with a couple of girls sitting there and started talking with them. I had no plans on taking a girl then but I did. Her name was, or sounded like, Namon, Khmer, 24, little tiny thing, kind of cute. She said she new here and has been in town for a week and hadn’t had boom-boom yet. ST $20, she moved me so I said OK.
Nothing much to write about but it was real nice. She wasn’t bleeding when she came in but she was when she left, the proof was on the towel. She took a real pounding.
OK, I’m caught up now.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-28-08, 19:08
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This was a much better experience.
After sitting down at the bar and getting my Coke I was approached by a young beauty and we hit it off right away. She was from Vietnam and said she had has been in PP for a few months. One thing led to another and we were down to the price. She kept saying, “Up to you” and I kept saying, “You tell me”. Finally she said $50 for all night and $40 for ST, a couple of hours and I sent her walking.
Later I was attracted to a Khmer girl that was having fun with some girlfriends at another table, she looked like a lot of fun. When she came over to the bar to get a drink a started talking to her and bought her soda for her. Her name was Seri, she sat and we talked, it got down to business and she said she could only go for ST, $20, because she had to meet a girlfriend later, and away we go.
She was fantastic and the sex was great. She was very responsive, really got into it with passionate DFK’ing, when I was sucking her tits and she came during DATY. More DFK’ing then she moved down kissing my body until she got to the good stuff, great BBBJ. She put the condom on and F***ed the hell out of me while she was on top. I got on top and she pulled her legs up to her chest and I went at it, we switched to doggie but she was too short so we moved her to the edge of the bed while I was standing, she kept rubbing herself, she came again and then I did, then I collapsed on top of her. We rested awhile, she cleaned me up, she cleaned up, and I took some photos while she got dressed, I gave her the $20, she was happy and she left.
Mike
Great reports ReallyaNiceGuy
I love reading trip reports like this, nothing special just a guy like myself and his experience in a place I love.
Keep it up. Let's hear more!
BTW you WA girl which had just arrived in town seemed to be post at least one baby - was that camera angle? Nice girl though.
now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
<interjecting a bit of human compassion and humour here...>
HOLD THE LINE YOU DUMMIES or the prices well float upward and increase the cost for EVERYONE
Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than Cambodia
PLUS - Cambodia ia a LOT poorer country than Thailand!
<sorry, just venting - and IT'S YOUR MONEY ANYWAY TO SPEND HOWEVER YOU LIKE - but - dont walk in with a "SUCKER" stamp (or would that be "pussy whipped"?) on your forehead> :)
Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than CambodiaWell, apart from the lowest level of beach streetwalkers, the B500 shorttime is pretty much an endangered species in Pattaya. Even the Soi 6 uglies want and usually get B700. And while it's true that Cambodia is much poorer than Thailand, for many goods and services (including even simple food stalls) that doesn't translate into lower prices. So I'm not sure how useful that particular comparison is.
But yeah, people on forums like this one have no excuse for not knowing the market rate. My feeling is, pay whatever you want, but at least KNOW the going rate.
What’s with the girls standing/working on the corner by the shopping center on Street 63? I walked by there last night and was approached by one, she asked if I wanted her to go to my hotel and sleep with me. She looked young and I walked away without asking anything.
Mike
I'm going to go out on a limb and say this might have been a working girl. ;-)
Her name was, or sounded like, Namon, Khmer, 24, little tiny thing, kind of cute. She said she new here and has been in town for a week and hadn’t had boom-boom yet.
Mike
Heh heh,
They only lie when their mouths are moving.
Her name is Srey Mom, and she has been in town forever. She is a semi-regular at Walkabout and has boom boomed a LOT.
But good pictures and good reporting nonetheless.
Cloud Cloud
11-29-08, 09:07
Seeing that she wasn’t what I thought/hoped it would be I told her OK. She asked for the 50 but I gave her 20 and kicked her out. When she was gone I turned on the lights and discovered that Niel was on the rag! It was everywhere.
This happened to me too. Got this chick from an escort, she kept insisting on closing all the curtains and turning off all the lights (some genuinely want darkness) then, after like a BJ, she asked if I wanted her friend to join, agreed, (friend was awesome) she kept pushing her friend to lead. I kept wondering, but insisted they both perform. Did missionary and cowgirl on both had a great time! They rushed to the bathroom cleaned up and said they had to leave because the escort chick got a call from boss to say time was up. When her boss called, she gave the phone to me and said that her boss wanted to talk to me. Asked how her service/performance was (boss didn't now her friend had joined), complemented the service and performance and promised to return. I paid, and off they went. Went to clean myself up and saw 2 blood soaked towels in the bathtub. For a split second, thought a cherry was popped haha then I realized it was no cherry. Felt pretty nasty. Called the Escort agency and reported right away. Madame answered the phone and I proceeded to explain what had happened (no mention of the 2nd girl) she said she will call me right back. She sure did in under 10 minutes, apologized and offered another girl for free! Now that is service! However, I was so disgusted, was not in a mood to dive into any pusxy.
Just be careful when they want total darkness. Maybe do some sort of a body/beaver search before proceeding. However, this was not an escort agency in Cambodia
Bubbagoes100
11-29-08, 09:37
I'm planning my first trip back to PP and Snooky after 4 years +, reading the forum shows that many things have changed, but I have one question. Are ATM's dispensing USD available in PP and Snooky?
ATM's located all over the place. No trouble finding any.
Can someone please tell be the best way to get to bangkok from Phnom Penh? I am flying in soon and with the airports closed in Bangkok I need to take bus or taxi. What are prices and timeframes?
Thanks
Betong. True, but poon is poon and cheap enough anyway. The comment about beach road poon being cheaper is correct but bar girls CAN be had for significantly LESS money IF they take a shine to you (particularly if they understand that you want to get them off first. (actually had one thank me)
Assuming of course that are WILLING TO PAY "LONG TIME" Price. She took a LONG TIME to get off the first time but was quite satisfied
Sorry I'm bit high when writing this.(drinking some of the prik 40 degrees SPICY stuff€). See other report under my handle.
Bubba. Yup. Right downstairs at flamingo in lobby. Fees. Might not be attractive though because of fees.
Your money your choice.
How do you get from Phnom to Bangkok?
What bus or can you take taxi?
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-30-08, 08:17
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This morning was interesting, when I went down for breakfast, it’s included with the room, and sat down at the table outside, within a few minutes guess who shows up at my table, Namon from last yesterday. I asked her sit down and ask if she wants something to eat or drink, she got a Coke. We talked and she made it clear she want to see me again, read, wanted more money. I didn’t look or sound interested, just making small talk. When I finished eating and telling her good-by her desperation became clear, she offered ST for $10, ah what the hell, so up to my room we went and I had another great time with her.
I paid her and before she left she said she wanted to come back later, I told her that I was busy, she then asked about tomorrow morning, I told her I was leaving for Siem Reap early that morning, sent her on her way.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-30-08, 08:24
I took care of some business during the day and got to St. 51 around 9 PM. Stopped in at Shanghai to look around, nice looking younger girls working the bar, but don’t know if they go out. Most of the customers looked like locals setting with girls and I didn’t see what I were ”working” girls walking/setting around. Finished my Coke and left.
At Walkabout I talked to a few girls but nothing moved me until Mah came along. She wasn’t the beauty I wanted, still nice, but there was something about her. She offered yum-yum and anything I wanted, ST at my hotel for $15 and LT for $20, and she said if I wasn’t happy with her I didn’t have to pay so I said OK to LT, we jumped on a motorbike to my hotel.
In the room she was very sexy dancing around doing a little strip tease before saying she was going to take a shower. What was interesting was she actually took a shower, the other girls just used the bidet to rinse off. When she finished she told me to take a shower, I told her I’d just taken one, she grabbed my ass and told me to wash good so I headed to the shower.
When I cam out she was under the covers and threw them back to invite me in so I joined her. As soon as I lay down she was all over me, hot wet DFK, lots of body kisses as she made her way down. She took her time and kissed and licked all around down there while gently jacking me and kept going further down until she was AR’ing me. I guess that I my response showed her that I liked it and she stuck her tongue in, I grabbed the back of her head and encouraged her to do more and, as I lifted up, she drive in as far as she could. She came up for air and started a great BBBJ and then moved back down to my ass for some more AR. She repeated this about 8 times before climbing on top, squatting, CG and RCG. We switched and I pounded her in several positions until I was out of breath, she got back on top and I finished while she was squatting on me. WOW! The whole thing was over two hours!
After we rested she said she was hungry and asked if we could go back to Walkabout so she could get something to eat, I said sure, we cleaned up, motorbike back to the Walkabout, she ordered breakfast. Now while I took her for all night as a usual, I get tired of them and when she finished eating I told her I was not going to take her back with me, I was too tired. She kept asking if I was happy with her and I assured her I was real happy with her but needed to get some sleep. I gave her the $20 I promised for LT, and bought her breakfast, and I left alone.
Mah was a winner though! If I run into her again I’ll take her.
Mike
How do you get from Phnom to Bangkok?
What bus or can you take taxi?
If I was there now and wanted to go to BKK, I'd take a bus down to Sihanoukville and overnight there, then take another bus to Koh Kong the next day. Can cross overland at KK to Thailand, then bus again to BKK. It's a long trip that is best spread over 2 or 3 days.
There used to be a boat from S'ville to KK, but I heard it doesn't run anymore now that the road is good.
from BKK take a bus to TRAT (Ekkamai station) then get a minibus for 120B to the border. TAKE THE BLUE AND WHITE BUS (250 B or so but I didnt use it this time) - NOT THE ORANGE STRIPE BUS THAT LEAVES AT 430 UNLESS YOU WANT TO BE 8 HOURS GETTING THERE - IT'S 3 HOURS TO PATTAYA ALONE - THE BLUE WHITE TAKES THE KLAENG CUTOFF ROAD AND TAKES ABOUT 5 HOURS TOTAL INCLUDING A QUICK STOP IN CHANTABURI.
Unless you get an electronic visa (over the net) expect to pay either $25 or 1000B (IF you are stupid enough to use one of the touts they will hold you up for 1200B - 1000 for the guys in the khaki shirts and 200 for themselves) I took a taxi with another guy. Taxi is about 2500B and you can actually split it 3 ways - but if they stop along the way for a BIG bag or 2 of rice, your bag might be in the front seat. Takes you to the main market in PP
you wont reach KK before the bus ($12) leaves at 830am.
going from Pattaya is slower - takes 5 hours or so from there - get the bus at central and sukhumvit - get off at the main bus station proceed as before Probably need to overnite in KK for $5 or so - eat before leaving - no food until the last bridge where they make a stop. The taxi went straight in - left at 130 and got in at 5. No problems until about 50km from PP - then the traffic absolutely SUCKS - THAT LAST 50KM TOOK 1.5 HOURS
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-30-08, 13:22
Great reports ReallyaNiceGuy
I love reading trip reports like this, nothing special just a guy like myself and his experience in a place I love.
Keep it up. Let's hear more!
BTW you WA girl which had just arrived in town seemed to be post at least one baby - was that camera angle? Nice girl though.
Actually I did see it but it wasn't a C-section. I asked her about it and she said she'd been in a taxi/truck accident and required surgery. She had several others as well.
Mike
ReallyaNiceGuy
11-30-08, 13:31
now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
<interjecting a bit of human compassion and humour here...>
HOLD THE LINE YOU DUMMIES or the prices well float upward and increase the cost for EVERYONE
Even in Pattaya, the shorttime price is only up to maybe 500B and Thai inflation and cost of living are a LOT higher than Cambodia
PLUS - Cambodia ia a LOT poorer country than Thailand!
<sorry, just venting - and IT'S YOUR MONEY ANYWAY TO SPEND HOWEVER YOU LIKE - but - dont walk in with a "SUCKER" stamp (or would that be "pussy whipped"?) on your forehead> :)
I'm sure I inspired this post. Sorry.
I'll give it another shot tonight.
And you're right about the brothels, they wanted $10. I stopped in one yesterday, looked around the drab dirty place, shown the 15 or so girls sitting on a bench, they all looked so sad, I just left.
Mike
and IF you negotiate - the $10 will come down to at least 6 anyway. Unless they are subsidizing the locals with barang income, it's going to be WAY too expensive for the locals (they only spend $2 or so anyway)
I hate being a walking ATM
and you negotiate - the $10 will come down to at least 6 anyway. Unless they are subsidizing the locals with barang income, it's going to be WAY too expensive for the locals (they only spend $2 or so anyway)
I hate being a walking ATM
Hang on a minute - you can get it for next to nothing if you really want to haggle it down in the brothels but I think ReallyNice Guy was talking about Walkabout. I would like to hear of anyone getting laid for 6$ from there in recent months!
$20 might be a bit high for Walkabout but not outrageously so. It is not just ISG members there. We cannot drive the price down by having some sort of ISG members agreement. I'm all for not overpaying, but see no point in giving anyone a hard time for paying only slightly above the going rate when they're on holiday and it's their first shot. Give the guy a break!
I usually paid $15 at Walkabout a couple of months ago and that got me as long as I wanted usually. There's plenty of other ways to be a jerk, judging from some of the characters there, than paying slightly more than you need to. Perhaps you want to tell me off too?
Yes it was a brothel comment - thought that was clear that the response was to the previous comment - $10 at walkabout is still about the right ST price
it doesn't matter much - the price is getting a bit high even considering inflation. I don't pay more than I need to considering some of the "mechanical girls"
ReallyaNiceGuy
12-01-08, 08:16
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Stopped in around 10 PM. Sat with a beautiful Viet girl named Wee, (sp) very good English, for about 10 minutes when someone comes up behind me and wraps her arms around me, it’s Mah from yesterday. I’m nice to her but tell her I’m busy and ask her to leave me alone now. The two girls exchange a few words and then the tone changed to what sound like sharp word between and Mah kissed me and left. I asked Wee if everything was OK and she said “yea, yea, it’s OK” We picked up our conversation and soon were talking service and price. I asked for yum-yum boom-boom for ST at my hotel, she said sure $20, I was going to try and get that down tonight. I asked if I could take photos and she became upset that I would want that. She went on to tell me that guys put photos of the girls on the internet, can you believe some guy would do that, and didn’t want her photos on the internet. I told her thanks and got ready to leave, she stopped me and said could take photos of her with her clothes on and no face, I told her no thanks and got up to leave. Again she stopped me and asked if the other girl, Mah, let me take photos of her with no clothes on, I told her she did. She then told me to go with her and called out to Mah, Wee got up and left, and Mah was right there, all happy and loving me up.
Mah said she like me and was glad I wanted to see her again, I asked how much this time, she said $20 and if I wasn’t happy with her I didn’t have to pay anything. I said if I saw her again I would take her again, so I did.
This time was even better than the last! Same great service but even more fun, sweet and loving and two pops this time. Total GFE!
She wanted to sleep with me but I didn’t want her to stay, nothing left to talk about and I’d got everything I needed, she was sad but we showered together, she dressed, I gave her $20 and a buck for the moto. She was happy and left.
Mike
Sat with a beautiful Viet girl named Wee, (sp) very good English . I asked for yum-yum boom-boom for ST at my hotel, she said sure $20, I was going to try and get that down tonight. I asked if I could take photos and she became upset that I would want that. She went on to tell me that guys put photos of the girls on the internet. I told her thanks and got ready to leave, she stopped me and said could take photos of her with her clothes on and no face, I told her no thanks and got up to leave.
Do you do something with these pictures other than posting them here? You have to be in pussy heaven when you can reject a beautiful girl offering her services for $20.00 because she did not want you to take nude pictures of her to display on the net.
$10 at walkabout is still about the right ST priceWell it all depends on the quality of the experience, doesn't it? My policy has always been to pay the good ones a little more than they expect, and to pay the bad ones a little less than they want.
I live in Phnom Penh and spend a lot of time at the Walkabout. Dinghy is dead on. The ST price is $10--Period. I am familiar with the girls ReallyANiceGuy has posted photos of, and all will go for $10 ST, $20 LT. If they are coming to your hotel, unless it is on the other side of town like the Intercontinental, add $1 for a moto back (although she will probably only pay 1500-2000 riel). If people want to pay more, it is their money and they have the right to do what they want, but I sure wish they would not. It really hurts us local guys by eventually driving the price up. There are already 1 or 2 of the better looking freelancers who are trying really hard to get higher prices, although they will still go for $10 ST if they know that is all you will pay.
The price in the brothels is $5, but as stated they will tell you it is $10. Just politely say "Oh, I did not realize the price had gone up" and start to walk out. You won't get far. The key to negotiations here, or really anywhere, is to know the correct price and never, ever ask how much. TELL them what you will pay, or if it is a brothel where you pay in advance, just hand them the $5 before they even have a chance to mention the price.
The price in the brothels is $5, but as stated they will tell you it is $10. Just politely say "Oh, I did not realize the price had gone up" and start to walk out. You won't get far. The key to negotiations here, or really anywhere, is to know the correct price and never, ever ask how much. TELL them what you will pay, or if it is a brothel where you pay in advance, just hand them the $5 before they even have a chance to mention the price.
Which ones are you talking about here? Where?
In a quote in newspapers today:
'Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told Chinese-language newspaper the Commercial News.
About 1,500 passengers come to Cambodia through Bangkok everyday, making up 30 percent of all daily entry of visitors into the kingdom, he said.
"Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country," he said. '
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Is any board member willing to own up as being one of these tourists? I couldn't fit that number of girls into my room, let alone service them all!! Even taking an expensive hotel room, and I can never justify that myself, it would still leave a lot of money to spend each day.
Hawk
Hummer Bird
12-02-08, 08:17
In a quote in newspapers today:Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told "Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country,"
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Is any board member willing to own up as being one of these tourists?
Hawk
Not I! That is almost my monthly budget! I never pay more than- $15. for room, $20. for pussy, and $15-20 for food and beer per day! so approx $50.00 per day! And I do not always fuck or drink silly everyday. $1000.00 a month is enough to have a great time. Shit the local rarely pay more than 100.00 a month for rent!!!! If you know how, where and your not a pussy you can eat good and cheap! So of us are retired or on a business budget paid by AIG, and love to live the high life That is great, but just don't muck up the scene completely and create another Thailand. Throwing money around here is bad for everyone, and make one look foolish. By the way the hottest chick I had in Cambo cost me 25.00 for 24/7 "the jewel" insane hot stacked tight babe that was a three holer as well.
Cheers
HB
Pedro Chilli
12-03-08, 20:31
Well, I know what my spending habits are and that I would struggle to spend that amount of money.
Hawk
Me too, but unless your a good looking young stud, i dont think hot looking girls from 104, shanghai etc would even look at you for $20 unless its the rainy season and their desperate. And once you spend a bit of time in pp the chicks hanging around wa, sharkeys, mart seem less and less appealing. You can be lucky though, i shagged the best looking chick i have had in cambodia for $20 after dancing with her at the heart. After heart i gave her $10 to go and get herself sorted out, thinking i would never see her again, and lo and behold she came back and only left at 4pm next day. Major exception to the rule though in my experience.
ReallyaNiceGuy
12-04-08, 08:07
Tonight I wanted to try some place different so I got a motto and went to Sharky’s, wow this is a big place. I walked around once, got a Coke and made another round then sat at the bar by the pool tables. Checked out the talent and see one I liked, made eye contact and she came over. Her name is Lang, 24, Vietnamese, been in town a month and leaving the first of the year.
Chitchat, ask how much for ST, yum-yum, boom-boom and photos, she said up to me, this time I took her at her word and we left.
She showered, I showered, lots of DFK’ing and groping, she give a great long BBBJ, she puts on the cover and want me on top. I do it until I’m out of breath then she squats until she is out of breath but I didn’t finish. She’s all conserned but I tell he it’s not her fault. We rest I’m stroking and kissing her body, I move down and start DATY. She responds right away and I guess I hit the right spots because she went nuts, I thought the front desk would call to see if everything was all right. She came several times, push my head away, I’m hard so I climb on. She grabbed my ass and kept driving me into her. Then she did this thing, while on her back, where she gets her body moving up and down while she holding my ass, and she was moving really fast doing it, I came big time.
She wanted to spend the night but I told her no, OK, so now it’s time for her to leave, I give her $15.00 and tell her because she was so great I’m giving her a $5.00 tip, she was not happy. She went on how we did it two times and I took photos so she should get more. I tell her thanks but you said it’s up to me and I think that’s a fair amount and that’s it. Then she starts this, I haven’t eaten and I don’t have anyplace to stay. I opened the door and told her she had to go now, she didn’t move so I said it again and she left. And she even gave me a kiss good-bye.
I wonder if I'm going to get beat up this time for giving her more????
Mike
PS: I’m in Siem Reap now.
Shadow6491
12-04-08, 12:28
Her name is Lang, 24, Vietnamese, been in town a month and leaving the first of the year.
Boy did you get an earfull of lies. This girl has been around Sharkys for years and my bet is for many more to come.
As for getting beat up, well I can tell you I have taken her back to a hotel for $10 and no problems whatsoever.
If I went there tonight I could do it again.
Guys the freelancers will go for $10ST girls at the hostess bars ie 104 ect will go for $15. Just make sure you tell the hostess girls what you will pay them first and let them decide. You will be surprised how many will take your offer.
Phantomtiger2
12-06-08, 02:48
now look guys - walkabout prices are NOT that exensive. RARELY do I criticize someone else's pricing structure but THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES!
Shorttime at WA is about $10 and if it was indeed "up to you" thats what you SHOULD have paid. Even the brothels are trying to get $10 now but it IS available for $5 EVEN THERE.
PERSONALLY I don't really CARE - BUT - IF they get used to higher payments, that will become the NORM. Remember - barangs pay probably 3X the Cambodian guy prices anyway so paying 10X or 15X isn't particularly good for the locals
:)
I have to second the motion here as I've notice you guys paying more and more each time I read your reports.
1) its true that knowing the going rate will always get you a better deal for yourself and all those that will cum after you.
2) don't always count on getting the lowest rates as some will NEVER go for that price, but knowing that it should be $10 but up to you if willing to pay her 20, but starting out with a price 3-4x the norm $30-40, and you've been had even before your pants fall down.
3) dont worry about inflating the prices for the locals, they know the local price and will not pay anything more - they are by far the smartest of us all. Remember, their money is much harder to come by so they will not freely give it away (unlike some of you guys).
4)going prices are as stated above with a few exceptions. Some brothels will not even service foreigners and some that will take foreigners will not settle for anything less than $10 (sometimes $7 if you are a repeat), I know this as they would not even stop me as I threaten to walk away. But many options available, so just move on.
just my thoughts,
PT
spend $770 per DAY? hell, I couldnt spend that much in 2 WEEKS depending on where I stayed.
Walker Black is $28/liter.
Rooms CAN be as much as $200 (Intercontinental) IF you are absolutely certifiably insane (Flamingo is $25/day - you CAN do for less but Flamingo is pretty nice).
meals? Eat where the locals eat maybe $12/day to eat VERY well indeed - you DO need to enjoy local food, though.
So what's that leave maybe $700 for WOMEN? Hell, if I wanted to spend that much I'd stay HOME. realistic spending would be room $25, food $10, stuff $25, entertainment (bedspring boogey) $25 long time with higher class lady for a total of Maybe $85/day - add to that transport for maybe $6/day and you are STILL under $100/DAY
I spend less than that :)
Wendel - ST 154 between Noordom and Pasteur about 1/2 way and on the south side of the road (right side as facing Noorodom)
but I AM a cheap charlie :)
Romeo Blue
12-07-08, 14:56
I was today at one of the seeing Hands Massage.
There was a pretty 25j Girl and after she started she start touching me everywhere. She kindly asked befor and was very happy that i agreed.
She told me its a long time she didnt touch a Man.
It seems she really enjoyed it. After she explore my Body she took my Hands and put them under her Shirt. She has really lovely tight Tits and a round ass.
It seems she enjoyed it.
Pedro Chilli
12-08-08, 21:29
She told me its a long time she didnt touch a Man.
Ya gotta love these lying little skanks!
Walkabout now is in the process of renovating the old "Chip Lay Hotel" (right next door) so probably in April or so they will have a lot more rooms and a LIFT, too.
Might be a bit more of an issue with security than before though - that locked door at WA was a bit of a deterrent. Unless they control access it might become a bit more of an issue. The reason they got it was because the owner threw out the drug dealers that were in Chiplay.
Which ones are you talking about here? Where?
Every brothel I have been in--the 2 on 154 between Norodom and 51, and a few on St. 63
'Cambodian Tourism Minister Thon Khong told Chinese-language newspaper the Commercial News.
About 1,500 passengers come to Cambodia through Bangkok everyday, making up 30 percent of all daily entry of visitors into the kingdom, he said.
"Each of them is expected to spend 770 dollars per day in the country," he said. '
I can't believe any of you are taking this quote seriously. It comes from a Cambodian government official, which automatically means it is untrue, and when it is the official whose job is to promote tourism and the spending of tourist money, well...
unless your a good looking young stud, i dont think hot looking girls from 104, shanghai etc would even look at you for $20 unless its the rainy season and their desperate.
Most girls at Shanghai these days won't go for any price (within reason), as they are looking for boyfriends--of course that can change if rent is due or they are otherwise short of cash. However, I have taken several hot girls from hostess bars and never had a problem paying $20 for overnight. Generally, the girls who want more will say so upfront or at least ask how much you plan to pay, especially if they know you live here. I had one girl quote me $25, which I passed on, and one ask how much I was going to give her who then said she was tired and was just going home when I told her $20. Other than that, I have had no problems getting girls on 104 and 136 to go for $20--but it has always been after midnight when I have asked.
4)going prices are as stated above with a few exceptions. Some brothels will not even service foreigners and some that will take foreigners will not settle for anything less than $10 (sometimes $7 if you are a repeat), I know this as they would not even stop me as I threaten to walk away. But many options available, so just move on.
I don't go to brothels much, but I have never had a brothel in PP refuse my business, or refuse $5. Karaokes, yes, but not brothels. Where did you find ones that did? (So that I can avoid them).
Pedro Chilli
12-09-08, 20:35
Other than that, I have had no problems getting girls on 104 and 136 to go for $20--but it has always been after midnight when I have asked.
So are you a long haired chilled out dope smoking slacker with an easy charm? If you aint you know something i dont, and i dont mean the lingo.
Phantomtiger2
12-10-08, 01:17
I don't go to brothels much, but I have never had a brothel in PP refuse my business, or refuse $5. Karaokes, yes, but not brothels. Where did you find ones that did? (So that I can avoid them).
There were about 2 near Mao Z Dong Blvd that cater only to local native cambos from what I understand (this was about 1 yr ago so places may no longer exist? Most places welcome me-usually in hopes of stealing from me, but apparently these places were legit but only wants local business- dont know the reason why.
may return to PP next year and will recess the area again and check it out if things change.
PT
so are you a long haired chilled out dope smoking slacker with an easy charm?
no. two days ago, i did have a girl at one of the hostess bars stand firm on $20 for st or $30 for all night, but the bar had just opened for the night, she was one of the best looking girls in the bar, and she had said she was a three holer and up for anything. (i passed, but may take her up on the all-nighter at some point.)
there were about 2 near mao z dong blvd that cater only to local native cambos from what i understand (this was about 1 yr ago so places may no longer exist? most places welcome me-usually in hopes of stealing from me, but apparently these places were legit but only wants local business- dont know the reason why.
may return to pp next year and will recess the area again and check it out if things change.
there are only 3 reasons i know of why a sexually oriented business here will refuse westerners:
1. they cater to upper class asians who don't want to associate with us--this would not be true of a brothel.
2. they are trying to be discreet and don't want ngos to know what goes on inside--again, not normally true of a regular house/brothel but does apply to some guest houses that are just fronts for brothels.
3. the girls are **** and they don't want ngos to find out and force the government to shut them down.
Pedro Chilli
12-14-08, 00:58
Hippie, i am not flaming you, but i have heard a lot of stories, from reliable people, of chicks asking for outrageous amounts, $50 upwards, even $100, and that was to a dude who lives in thailand and is no mug, of course he told her to fuck off, but he had been buying her lady f'king drinks for 3 nights, and she only told him when she had stripped naked in his hotel room.
I'll be back in feb, we probably know each others faces anyway, i would appreciate coming along and watching how you do it.
a dude who lives in thailand and is no mugDisconnect?
Hummer Bird
12-14-08, 17:48
Disconnect?
My guess is that he understands the scene, mentality, and culture to a degree not immediately grasped by a newbie. And no mug may refer to a "charming face", rather than a "mug shot" scruffy. Unless your point is that only uglies go to Thailand.
Anyways who cares
HB
Hippie, i am not flaming you, but i have heard a lot of stories, from reliable people, of chicks asking for outrageous amounts, $50 upwards, even $100, and that was to a dude who lives in thailand and is no mug, of course he told her to fuck off, but he had been buying her lady f'king drinks for 3 nights, and she only told him when she had stripped naked in his hotel room.
You just identified the probable cause without realizing it, and while he may be no mug, it sounds as if he does not really understand the differences between the Thai and PP bar scenes. Because he had been buying her lady drinks for 3 nights, and presumably more than one each night, the girl in question assumed that he was indeed a person who did not understand the scene and was probably gullible enough to pay her ridiculous request. I seldom buy lady drinks here. Instead, I give a girl a tip of one or two dollars when I leave. The exception is if I am friends with the bar owner, in which case I will buy one, or at most two, lady drinks if I sit with a girl for an extended period. If I am flirting with 2 or more girls, then I still just give a tip, and I have never heard a word of complaint from any bar owner or gotten hints that I should buy more lady drinks. I would never do that in Thailand at a bar that I frequented. This is one of the reasons why PP is so much cheaper for me than anywhere in Thailand. A night out here costs me $30-$60 instead of $100-$200. He may also have made the mistake of mentioning what he paid girls in Thailand. I would think experienced mongers would have more sense than to do that, but I have been amazed at how many time I have heard seasoned vets tell a girl how cheap P4P is in the country they are in at the moment, and how much more they have paid elsewhere. In addition, the girl may have been one who did not normally go with customers, and only did so because she thought he would be a big score. There are a lot of girls like that here, and I steer clear of them for the most part. There are a couple of exceptions who I talk to because I like the eye candy and enjoy their conversation, but I don't even consider taking them home. On the other hand, if you are young and reasonably good looking, these are the type that are most likely to give you a freebie. There are also some hostess bar girls here whose minimum price really is $5 or $10 above the norm, as well as a very few freelancers who also try to hold out for more. The key to determining if this is the kind of girl you are dealing with is in how she reacts when you tell her the price you will pay. If she tries to negotiate or convince you to pay more, it is most likely just a ploy. If she simply states her price and then shows no interest in discussing it further, then that is her real price, at least for you. Up to you if you are willing to pay it. I'm not, but if I were on a short trip and had already invested a lot of time that evening in the girl, that might change.
As far as girls asking outrageous prices, I don't doubt it. Asking price means nothing, it is what she will actually accept that matters. Also, unless you are well known in a place as a person who knows the correct price and does not overpay (and maybe even then), asking "How much?" is the absolute kiss of death when it comes to negotiating. Doing so means that the other person will immediately assume you don't know the going rate. If you feel it necessary to fix the price in advance--and sometimes this is indeed a good idea--if the girl does not bring it up herself, tell her what you plan to pay. If you can work it into the conversation in a natural way, that is even better. Sometimes a girl will put out feelers to gauge your price level. Use that to your advantage. When she says "The last guy I had ST with gave me $40," laugh (additional points for dramatic emphasis if you also snort beer through your nose) and respond with "Wow, some guys are so stupid. Everyone knows the price is $10." Just be careful of your tone, as you want to make sure you do not insult her by implying she is not worth $40. You simply want to point out that you know this is not the going price. She may still try to argue it is $15, but that is a much better starting point than $40.
Also, keep in mind that we are discussing prices in westerner-oriented hostess bars and freelancer joints. If you are in a place that caters to rich locals or Asian tourists, the prices will be much higher.
I do not claim to to be the guru of PP, or anywhere else. I am just an intelligent, observant guy who hates to overpay for anything. I have learned from my many mistakes, and I am appalled at how badly I overspent during the first couple of years that I was going to foreign countries. I have also had some good teachers and have had the advantage of living in Mexico and Asia for several years. I have friends that come to Asia once or twice a year and throw money around like it is nothing. I still remember one guy telling me that the reason he preferred AC to Manila was that in AC there was no way he would spend more than $1000 in one night, while in Manila he almost always did. However, even they do not overpay for things. They will pay toward the top of the going rate, but that is all. Their money goes for quantity--threesomes, foursomes and moresomes, 20 lady drinks in one bar, barfining 10 of their girl's friends for a bar hop, etc. These guys have a blast on their trips, and if they want to spend that kind of cash, that is fine, but not my style (or these days, within my budget). I did similar for the first year I was going to Tijuana, and I did it almost every weekend, so I have no right to criticize them.
Pedro Chilli
12-16-08, 12:05
All valid points Hippie. Personally i never frequent these bars, too loud, all that false screaming bullshit when you walk in the door etc. I too have mongered all over the world for the past 20 years, so I suppose I am a vet, but I still get hoodwinked every now and again when I let the guard down. I've spent a fair amount of time in PP and Cambo so I never pay more than 20, unless the girl goes beyond the call of duty in which case I give more. Everybody criticizes Heart but thats still where I get the best chicks I'm capable of, and thats because the music isnt terrible (like martini) so I have a dance and that sometimes works for me.
Pedro Chilli
12-16-08, 22:50
[QUOTE=Hippie]You just identified the probable cause without realizing it, QUOTE]
You condescending fuck. I was in a haze in the morning when i read your report.
I arrive back in PP on 6 feb, 8.45am. I will be wearing a red long sleeve shirt, and a black baseball cap. No need to air this in public, just be there.
Shadow6491
12-18-08, 06:05
Hippie is absolutly correct in what he is saying. So maybe we shall both have to meet you at the airport. Then we can show you the way it is done.
At Hosstess bars one of the simplest ways to bring up price is to simply say "You know I really like you and would like to go to a hotel with you but you know I live here and dont pay the same prices as the stupid tourists"
The usual reply is "yes I know how much will you give me" or "upto you, I like you to"
You can then say "Well I normally give girls $10 for a ST"
Pedro Chilli
12-19-08, 02:37
Hippie is absolutly correct in what he is saying.
Who are you, god? Absolutes dont exist. How long have you spent in Cambo, can you speak Khmer? You are too dumb to pick up hippies snide condescending use of words. It takes a lot to wind me up but he has succeeded.
So maybe we shall both have to meet you at the airport. Then we can show you the way it is done.Hey, I don't want to take sides, but I'm always up for a good airport rumble! Since the arrival gates are inside the security zone, I suggest the baggage carousel area. That way we can all come!
And er . . . what exactly was the problem negotiating prices with PP hostess bar girls? Yes, they tend to ask too much these days. So you offer less. Sometimes you reach an agreement, sometimes not. It really is that simple.
OK I just went back and read through these posts because I didn't get what was going on, why Pedro got so bent out of shape. It seemed as if they were having a civil conversation and then... boom!
Now Hippie has what I'd call a natural tone of arrogance and condescension -- a know-it-all way of delivering everything he says. Fair enough. It's pretty typical of the way people write here, nothing too far out of the ordinary.
Both these guys are in Phnom Penh and believe they know the ropes, and feel like the guy who's saying the opposite doesn't know what he's talking about. So the solution for both: take what the other guy says with a grain of salt, and express that politely. Keep in mind that these girls treat different people differently, that we don't all look the same or are as slick at playing the game as one another.
There'll be no chairs thrown in the baggage claim, guys.
As a regular visitor to Phnom Penh, I know that one night in Martini I spotted a quite hot Khmer girl. I watched as one after another approached her and chatted with her. One after another they left her standing alone there (actually she was with a female friend). Four different guys did this over the course of about 30 minutes. Finally I took my shot. It seemed easy -- within 5 minutes we'd agreed to go to my hotel. When we got back there, as soon as we were in my room she hit me with the price: $70, til 2am. It was 11pm now.
I wonder what some of you guys would have done in that situation. She was by far the most gorgeous girl there that night. There'd be no chance of finding anything close if I went out again. It was my last night before leaving the country.
As a regular visitor to Phnom Penh, I know that one night in Martini I spotted a quite hot Khmer girl. I watched as one after another approached her and chatted with her. One after another they left her standing alone there (actually she was with a female friend). Four different guys did this over the course of about 30 minutes. Finally I took my shot. It seemed easy -- within 5 minutes we'd agreed to go to my hotel. When we got back there, as soon as we were in my room she hit me with the price: $70, til 2am. It was 11pm now.
I wonder what some of you guys would have done in that situation. She was by far the most gorgeous girl there that night. There'd be no chance of finding anything close if I went out again. It was my last night before leaving the country.
The Cambodia forum does seem to get a bit stroppy at times, doesn't it?
Interesting conundrum, and I'm sure there's lots of easy answers when you weren't actually there. The easy one is 'I would have agreed the price before taking her back' but sometimes there's a feeling of trust and the sense of being 'had' comes out of the blue. What did you in fact do? (if you feel you can tell us without the know-alls trying to roast you lol.)
A field report's a field report. And if someone 'overpays' then they are not going to ask for the money back cos of forum comments. The best people can do is relate their own experiences and people might perhaps bargain better next trip. The odd monger 'overpaying' does not, IMO, spoil it for everyone cos most mongers don't come on ISG and they will be the bulk of overpayers. And girls who net extra bucks when they see the opportunity may just be smart hustlers, not spoilt.
My guess is you said yes at some point, it being your last night. It's a personal decision when you sum up the situation. I always tell girls I'm there for a long time. I give them examples of what I usually pay. But maybe, being an exceptional looker and maybe preferring to go without than go for a regular price, she was hanging out for that 'special customer.' (or mug if that's how you see it in retrospect). She would know the going rate at Martinis, so even if she wanted to charge more for good looks it would be fair to assume a percentage mark-up rather than a hike.
Bottom line - how good was she in the sack (if you did her) and how did you feel about the experience in retrospect? If the sex was the experience of a lifetime, you maybe didn;t have too many hard feelings, even if you paid over the odds and wouldn't do a repeat. If it wasn't, or if you beat yourself up about the price paid, then you made the wrong decision.
I had the experience once in another country where I was trying to get an all-nighter with a gorgeous girl - she was far, far better than anyone else available. She wouldn't budge on the usual rates. I figured she liked hanging out with her friends and doing short-time business on the side. So I made her an offer she couldn't refuse. It wasn't outrageous by going rates but it was more than a beginner (as she was) would know to ask for. She was awesome. If I told friends how much I paid they gave me the usual tongue lashing. But when I showed them photos they not only shut up but obsessively tried to get her contact details, which was quite funny.
Don't worry about the stick, just keep posting reports. To those that moan, remember that if you berate someone until they don't give reports or tell us what they paid, it doesn't mean they didn't have the experience - just that they don't tell us. Go figure.
(if you feel you can tell us without the know-alls trying to roast you lol.)
My guess is you said yes at some point, it being your last night.
Bottom line - how good was she in the sack (if you did her) and how did you feel about the experience in retrospect?
They can roast away, if they want. Or catch me in the airport and beat the hell out of me. And yes I was definitely a mug, in this one incident at least, as I probably tipped my hand to by mentioning how hot she was and that it was my last nite in PP. Yes, I paid. I made gestures of bargaining but she was good-- she could tell there was no way I wasn't gonna do her, she knew she'd won. She stuck to that price and I just said, Yeah what the hell, let's go. I did try to set the price earlier but stupidly did it by asking how much, to which she said the predictable "Up to you" or something like that, postponing the question til later. She knew her stuff. ;)
How was she? A bit better than average. I didn't beat myself up over it, not at all. In fact my next stop in PP (a month later) I looked for her again hoping for a second round. Didn't find her. But sometimes you just have to treat yourself. There was one time in Bangkok where I faced a similar situation, in a gogo, and was offered a price that seemed steep, from a girl who was that rare unbelievably hot creature, the kind who you just know is the single hottest girl you've ever spotted. I declined, and learned the lesson that it's better to regret the things you've done than the things you haven't. I really learned that lesson -- ever since then, in a similar situation, I just go for it. Now if I could only end up in a similar situation. :(
I can now say, I haven't spotted a single girl since then that compares to that one I turned down that night in Bangkok. It was 3 years ago.
Anyway, how much did you pay for your similar situation, if you don't mind my asking?
I just reread the comment that angered Pedro Chilli, and the only way I can interpret it as condescending is if I really try. I have to picture myself saying it in the same tone that John Gielgud used when, as the butler in Arthur he told Liza Minelli that, "One usually has to go to a bowling alley to meet a woman of your stature." I assure you that is not how I talk.
Wendella, I am sorry you find my reports condescending and arrogant. When something is flat wrong, in my opinion, I do say so, and I admit that I seem to find more outright bad info on this board than any of the other dozen or so I have posted on (and no, I am not talking about any of the people involved in this discussion), mixed in with a lot of very very good advice. I try hard not to be insulting or make derogatory comments about the poster himself, but I don't beat around the bush, either. I don't do this because I want to prove a point (well, not usually), but because I want to help new or infrequent visitors avoid mistakes. I myself have suffered from bad advice and supposed facts that were just plain wrong given on various forums; 5 nearly wasted, boring days in Davao were one result. I also tend to use a somewhat more formal and direct tone in my writing than many people do on forums, and this may cause me to come across differently than intended. However, I certainly don't think I am infallible or that I know everything about the P4P scene in any of the places I have lived. If someone just has a difference of opinion, I try to make it clear that I respect that opinion but disagree with it. This is the case with Pedro Chilli. I most certainly don't think he does not know what he is talking about. I simply stated that one aspect of my experience has been different than his, and that I suspected that his friend may have made some mistakes due to not understanding how the bars in PP differ from those in Thailand. I actually agree with him that Heart is my favorite hunting grounds here, but it gets started a bit late for me and I have already been with most of the regulars there that I am interested in, so lately I have started going back to the hostess bars more. It doesn't hurt that many are walking distance from my house. As far as the Martini situation that you described, that is one of the few times when I would have discussed price first. I always do that if I see another guy shot down, and I also verify what services are offered. Sometime you do just get lucky, of course. I had a similar situation occur in Hong Kong, and ended up with a very beautiful Indo girl who gave fantastic service at the going rate--she just refused to go with guys who were drunk or obnoxious, which apparently the previous four guys I had seen approach her had been. However, had I been in your situation, I probably would have kicked her out and gone to look for another girl--but that in no way means I think you made the wrong decision.
Chistopherd, I agree very much with a lot of what you said. If a guy knows what the going rate is, and on rare occasions finds a girl who he thinks is worth more, then he should go for it. I have done so, as well, but it is not a frequent occurrence. I am about to head for the bars now, and if neither of my potential intended targets is available, I may well pay $30 for the girl I previously mentioned. If I was here for a short visit, I would not have hesitated to take her last week when she quoted me the price.
Anyway, how much did you pay for your similar situation, if you don't mind my asking?
200 Reals Brasilian*. Though it wasn't that similar. If a girl tries to put the cinch on me I tend to lose patience and tell her to get lost, figuring if the money's so paramount the sex will be mechanical. But in this case I had already had her several times for quickies and wanted to be in control by making the play. Very lovely woman, worth every penny.
*about $85 at current rates. A lot of people will pay that anyway at a good club in Brasil. It's just that I pulled her out of a 'cheap' dive. In Cambodia, I'm only really interested in the cheapo end - Heart of Darkness is about my limit as I have fun there. But generally I don't rate Cambodia that high - the women are ok if they're not costing much, but they don't speak much English and are short on personality, added to that the pernicious attitude to their work so they can't take much pride in it . . . To me, Camb is ok for some down and dirty but probably not in the major league and there's no chance of treating any PDP as an equal. Not to say I don't love the place, just that it has its limits, in P4P and everything else. Go there to meditate, to learn humility, and have some P4P thrown in. That probably sums up my feelings, and I hope no-one's offended.
i can now say, i haven't spotted a single girl since then that compares to that one i turned down that night in bangkok. it was 3 years ago.i'm still kicking myself over a couple ones like this. as they say, the only ones you regret are the ones who get away. so ultimately the money is nothing, if trying to skimp on a few bucks cheats you out of a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity.
frankly it's one problem with these forums: there's a lot of peer pressure here not to pay more than a certain arbitrary amount ('you'll ruin the market for all of us!'), regardless of the fact that sometimes the best value for money is when you pay top dollar.
Shadow6491
12-22-08, 11:49
Guys,
Don't get your knickers in a not. I don't mean to be threatning, what I say said is in jest. Actualy I would be happy to meet you and show you how it is done. I hate seeing people being taken advantage of and making fools of them selves.
I don't really care how much you guys spend either, it does fuck up the scence for everyone when you throw cash around without thinking though.
As for the comments about trust and not wanting to discuss price because it may spoil that GFE ellusion though is silly. The only person you are fooling about it being a GFE is yourself.
PS. Two weeks ago I did meet someone at the baggage carosel. Behind customs. I do know how Cambodia works.
Guys,
Don't get your knickers in a not. I don't mean to be threatning, what I say said is in jest. Actualy I would be happy to meet you and show you how it is done. I hate seeing people being taken advantage of and making fools of them selves.
I don't really care how much you guys spend either, it does fuck up the scence for everyone when you throw cash around without thinking though.
As for the comments about trust and not wanting to discuss price because it may spoil that GFE ellusion though is silly. The only person you are fooling about it being a GFE is yourself.
PS. Two weeks ago I did meet someone at the baggage carosel. Behind customs. I do know how Cambodia works.
I agree for the most part, although I would say that in a few rare circumstances here, and a few more in Angeles City, the illusion of the GFE goes both ways. I'd say somwhere between 1%-5% of the girls don't want to admit to themselves that they are prostitutes, and will appreciate it when the guy plays along. These girls will probably be happy with the going rate if given to them the next day, but might insist on more if you try to bargain up front. If she is Vietnamese or you meet her in the Walkabout, however, you can rest assured she does not fall into this category.
Would showing me how it is done include showing me how to hook up with a girl behind the baggage carousel? If so, let's do it! ;^)
The whole pricing argument is a nonsense..it simply comes down to what the market will bear...old unnatractive girls will cost a lot less than a young and very attractive girl.
Attractive girls ask for those prices because they know from eperience that people will pay it...no matter how much "experience" you have no guy will get a very attractive girl for less money than the average punter. Dont beat yourself up about what you pay for a girl and what you read on here..you have to see with your own eyes first exactly what the quality of the girl is.
I have paid $50 for a short time in Cambodia on a number of occasions and was very glad I did...i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.
I have paid between $25-$40 for LT. And $10-$20 for ST. Yes, i have bought presents for the girl if we hit it off and she stays with me more than a day. Usually it is some clothes costing approx $20.
Are we inflating the price?
The answer is yes and no.
Yes in the sense cannot give too much money for ST where there is no emotional bond and it is purely carnal.
No in the sense if you like the girl and treat her like a GF , you do not mind helping her out. Obviously she goes the extra effort to make you happy.
i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.Yes, very true. Though I also tend to remember the expensive girls when they disappoint! And for that matter, the cheap ones who were really great.
These days I'm more into quality than quantity, so I don't mind paying more for it. That's what's nice about this part of the world . . . there are girls of all levels of quality and in all price ranges.
The whole pricing argument is a nonsense..it simply comes down to what the market will bear...old unnatractive girls will cost a lot less than a young and very attractive girl.
Umm...no. At least not in my experience. While this is often true in Thailand and many other countries, in my experience it usually is not true in Phnom Penh--unless you are talking about girls who are so old and unattractive that they go for even less than $10 ST/$20-$25LT. Now, I do see signs that this is beginning to change in PP, but that may just be a high season reaction.
Attractive girls ask for those prices because they know from eperience that people will pay it...
Sometimes, but a lot of times they ask silly prices either because someone has told them to, or because ONE guy (or a very few guys) paid them that much in the past. There are exceptions, especially in the hostess bars, but these are girls who rarely get barfined, and that is fine with them.
no matter how much "experience" you have no guy will get a very attractive girl for less money than the average punter.
Usually true, although if they like you or you are young and attractive, you might get a discount or freebie.
Dont beat yourself up about what you pay for a girl and what you read on here..you have to see with your own eyes first exactly what the quality of the girl is.
That I agree with. (Not that you care whether I do or not, I'm sure). It is your money, and if you think you got good value, then no reason to regret your decision, and nobody can say you were wrong. It may not have been the same price her other customers paid, but that really does not matter in this context.
I have paid $50 for a short time in Cambodia on a number of occasions and was very glad I did...i have had plenty of $5 and $10 girls too and whilst i remember fondly the $50 girls I have completely forgotten (or even put out of my mind) the cheap girls.
Then for you, I would say you made the right decision. If it was a girl from a karaoke, that may well have been the going price, but even if it was a Walkabout/Martini/hostess bar girl, if you were happy with the experience then it was a good move. None of my most memorable P4P girls, with one exception (4000 baht for LT with a girl from Rock Hard in Phuket in 2002) charged more than the going rate, and most would have been considered some of the best looking girls in their venues. (As much as I would like to, I have never been one of these guys who can go with an only semi-attractive girl and still think she is great just because of her attitude and performance.) However, none of my $5 experiences have been memorable in a good way, which is why I seldom visit the brothels here.
Wendella, I am sorry you find my reports condescending and arrogant. When something is flat wrong, in my opinion, I do say so, and I admit that I seem to find more outright bad info on this board than any of the other dozen or so I have posted on
I don't want to go back and review anybody's reports anymore, if that's ok... I was probably overly harsh, and, perhaps even condescending and arrogant ;) in that report of mine. I definitely think Pedro Chilli was way too sensitive, and still don't see what ticked him off that much. Anyway, sorry, please don't take offense. I know, too late. If so, then just Sorry. Your reports are interesting and well written, I should also say. I still would say you tend to be a bit absolute, and maybe don't consider that experiences are different for each of us. I don't think all the girls can absolutely be had for what you say they can by ANYBODY. Just because you know for sure they go with you at that price, or people you know, doesn't mean they'd necessarily be available to anyone. Lots of factors could come into play. I have no idea how old you are, how good looking, if you look like you have money or not, well groomed, if you're known as a local, etc. The forum is deceiving in a way because it's easy to imagine we're all the same since you can't see anyone here. We're just known by the words we type. I could be wrong, but I'm doubting that any girl can be had for what you say by ANY guy. For myself, I haven't tried to pick up any girls from those 104 St type bars in PP, so I have no idea.
About that girl, I made up my mind I was gonna take her, and figured she'd charge a higher price. I never expected it to be that much though. No harm done. I enjoyed it enough that I even went back looking for more the next time I came to town, but didn't spot her again. There's a good lesson: always get the phone number.
BangBangBang
12-25-08, 19:57
Fellow mongers,
I will be in PP and area for a week, if you want to party, exchange addresses, or just hang out, PM me.
BBB
Wendella, I was not angered by your post. There was no sarcasm intended by the "I'm sorry..." comment. When I say something in a way that seems absolute, that is generally because I believe it to be so. These kind of comments are always based on experience. If it is just an opinion, I try to be clear about that. An example of an absolute is the "going rate" for a ST or LT at a particular type of venue. This does not mean that every single girl charges the same amount, or that any girl charges the same amount to every guy. It means that a large majority of girls charge it to a large majority of guys. Maybe I was not always clear about that. I do try hard never to tell someone they overpaid. I simply say that what they paid was above the going rate, if I feel it necessary to say anything. Some might take those two statements to be the same thing, but they most definitely are not.
I assure you that I am not particularly young, fit, or handsome, and I could not care less whether I have "game" when it comes to dealing with P4P girls. I generally dress very casually, but will on occasion wear tailored slacks and shirts. (I have not seen that attire makes any difference here, but it made a big difference in my desirability in Thai discos.) On the plus side, I am clean, reasonably neatly groomed, and polite--I treat a working girl the same as anyone else. I have a friend here who is very obese (a few, actually, but that is another matter), but he still has girls who are thrilled to go with him for the prices I have quoted. The reason, the best I can tell, is that he treats them really well. At the other end of the scale, I have another friend who is in his early twenties and fit--and presumably handsome, but I can't tell--and he frequently gets freebies from hostess girls after work when he comes to PP. He gets even more in Thailand and Angeles City. I know other young guys who I am certain are better looking than him, and yet they get nowhere near the attention he does. I have no idea how he does it, other than by being very carefree, crazy, easy with drink money, and drunk off his ass every day of his vacations. By the same token, I have seen girls who absolutely despise him, because he can be uncomfortably rude if he thinks a girl is full of crap or an idiot--or especially if he thinks she considers him to be an overpaying fool. In short, I do recognize that everyone is different, but there are still certain things that apply to ALMOST everyone.
Worltravel
12-27-08, 23:38
in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.
in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.Maybe try reading this forum? There's quite a lot of suggestions posted by several people, including myself. Good luck.
How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?
How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?
If you had taken any time at all to read the forum, you would know that Km11 has been closed down as a sex scene for years.
How about K-11?
You are roughly 3 years late, man.
Cheers!
Phil Istine
12-30-08, 09:00
Haven't been on here for a while and all I find is childish arguments over who paid too much.
I have lived in PP for over two years and I do know a bit,and of course i may have paid too much occasionally but do I care-of course not.
I go to the usual haunts occasionally and the lack of tourists here is staggering.
Most girls have adjusted their prices to suit,walkabou is back to ten and twenty dollars again after what must be the longest off season in most girls memory.
Get used to it ladies,its called a global recession.
But never forget that cambodia is till a pretty cheap place for the locals,especially for those things that women desire.
I went out the other night and my missus looked stunning.
Shoes($3),short shorts($1.50),shirt(75 cents),necklace ($2) and hair($2).
Khmer girls generally are unlike their thai cousins who refuse to be seen out in anything that costs little money,what a pain they are.
Cambodian women rank the phone above all else,then the moto,cheap clothes that look good they value.
I like this about them.
GFs stunning young friend works at the XO,rich khmers pay $100 a pop inhouse.
She has just been diagnosed with AIDs.
in Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville?
Will go there in Februari and dont know where to stay , not the most expensive places.In PP Flamingo is a great and place, booking are recommended. In SV, take a cap and look around. Have fun.
Phantomtiger2
01-01-09, 00:44
Haven't been on here for a while and all I find is childish arguments over who paid too much.
GFs stunning young friend works at the XO,rich khmers pay $100 a pop inhouse.
She has just been diagnosed with AIDs.
I've been away for awhile and just got back myself.
I have to admit that a little debate once in a while is ok, this may have exceeded the time limit.
But then, isn't there a separate thread just for all the debates/arguments. Perhaps they should take it there.
Just remember that we are all in this for the action and perhaps some are just a bit sensitive, but for us more senior members, we've heard it all before and just let the other person's opinion be just that--an opinion.
---Yeah, sorry to hear about that gal you know with Aids, but that is why all of need to be careful in Cambo, as it is one of the country with the highest increases in HIV/AIDS in the world.
So lets focus more on your own safety instead of what you paid.--IMO
PT
Khmer girls generally are unlike their thai cousins who refuse to be seen out in anything that costs little moneyThat all came about pretty quickly in Thailand, and I'm afraid it'll soon change here as well. Enjoy the innocence while it lasts . . . .
I went to luxury world hotel about a month ago. Large fishbowl with about 25 khmer, 25 vietnamese and a few chinese. Massages are $5/hour for khmer and viet and $7 for chinese (a couple extra for VIP room). There were a few cute khmer and viet girls none of the chinese were worth it and I am sure they would have wanted more for extras. It looked like it catered for asian customers mainly but I didn't have any problems.
I took a khmer girl, number 48, for a couple of hours. The room has big posters saying no sexual activity allowed. She spoke very little english but after a bit of a massage she asked if I wanted bom-bom. She went and showered and came back. While she was playful with the massage and then foreplay when it came to it she didn't interact very well but she was very tight.
I gave her $30 for the two hours which she seemed content with although she asked for 5o initially.
In short, I do recognize that everyone is different, but there are still certain things that apply to ALMOST everyone.
I can think of a few traits a guy might have that could exclude him from the ALMOST everyone category, and they probably wouldn't be apparent here in his forum posts. Anyway, looks like people are getting sick of this subject. We've said our pieces. That Chillie guy seems to have cleared out. Maybe he's at the airport. ;)
(BTW, you guys are both in PP, right? So why meet at the airport? Why not downtown somewhere?)
How about K-11?
It is hot in discusion many years ago, who still know that place?The places were closed down after NGO`s raided a brothel there and after gary glitter had a photograph taken of him on a hotel floor. taxi drivers will not take you there.
Blackangst
01-03-09, 07:39
The places were closed down after NGO`s raided a brothel there and after gary glitter had a photograph taken of him on a hotel floor. taxi drivers will not take you there.
Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :p
I went to the Cyrcee Club twice after reading this forum and I didn't regret it.
The selection of Khmer girls is stunning in my opinion. 80% of them really look good!
The boom boom price is 20 Dollars for once BBBJ and sex. Since I didn't want to go to my own hotel I paid 7 dollars for a short time hotel plus 5 more dollars for one lady drink (they insist on that although I took the lady out without a drink but who cares - still good enough deal) and my own drink.
The first time I took a girl that was a bit fatter, but she DFKed me from the beginning. Sex and BBBJ with her were o.k. The hotel rooms where the girls will lead you are very nice by the way.
The next day I took a very skinny - but still totally sexy girl - she told me she only weighs 39 kilos and was about 1.5 metres tall. That already made me very horny. Her BBBJ and sex were good.
There was no rush in both situations, so I can really recommend you to go and try the Cyrcee club. It is on the intersection of street 136 west/east and 49 south/north on street 49. If you look from south on the left side.
Sophie Club:
I tried to find it, but it wasn't there anymore. It was recommended a few times in the forum and should be on intersection 118/53. But there was nothing there. I really checked carefully.
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Has anyone stayed at the Luxury World Hotel? It looks really nice from the pic's on their website. I don't really care for the location as I've stayed at the Big LUck before.
Also the prices at LWH are very comparable to Flamingos, especially considering it's brand new. I love Flamingos and will most likely stay there again this spring, but I will definitely check out the fishbowl at LWH.
Having a fishbowl, you would assume they are GF. But, that last report said they have posters up in the massage rooms saying "no sex". What gives?
Phil Istine
01-04-09, 05:12
Cyrcee always good.I just hope that too many people dont go.Always value here.
I see that the sony is back on the map with two new plastic awnings erected out the front with the sony label.
But there was nothing there. I really checked carefully.Sophie was shut down by the cops last year. No great loss to me -- I always found the place too pushy.
Cyrcee is still fine, though some nights feature a lot more available talent than others. All in all, I found more girls of interest this week at the Walkabout, a nice surprise.
I can think of a few traits a guy might have that could exclude him from the ALMOST everyone category, and they probably wouldn't be apparent here in his forum posts.
I agree, which is one of the reasons why I almost never say someone paid too much, only that it was more than the going rate--if indeed it was. If a guy smells, is horribly ugly, has a lousy personality, etc., he may have to pay more.
That Chillie guy seems to have cleared out.
(BTW, you guys are both in PP, right? )
From what he has posted, he is not in PP yet.
If you had taken any time at all to read the forum, you would know that Km11 has been closed down as a sex scene for years.
That came out sounding harsher than I intended. The inability to convey tone of voice adequately on forums strikes again.
Aussie Fella
01-07-09, 15:23
Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :pOf course it is. Mongering is like any other business - it is governed by supply and demand. As long as there is demand for what Svay Pak had to offer (and there will always be demand for this) there will be supply somewhere. The NGO's and government may like to fool themselves that they can dictate what will be offered but the reality is it's up to the girls and customers.
Blackangst
01-08-09, 08:45
Of course it is. Mongering is like any other business - it is governed by supply and demand. As long as there is demand for what Svay Pak had to offer (and there will always be demand for this) there will be supply somewhere. The NGO's and government may like to fool themselves that they can dictate what will be offered but the reality is it's up to the girls and customers.
And, for the record, Svay Pak's clientele was mostly Cambodian.
Oh rest assured svay pak's business is thriving...it just moved :p
Apparently the new location is a well kept secret, alas.
Accommodation
Fancy Guest House, opposite the Ankor international, just off 144 Street. $25 a night for first floor balcony room, Spotlessly clean and change the sheets daily, nice and safe with cctv in the hall ways. No problems bringing the ladies home day or night.
Smokes and Grog
One block up towards riverside. 1Lt Finland vodka $8. 50, carton of Beer Lao stubbies $14. 50 and carton of Marlboro lights $9. 00.
Cheap Eates and Drinks
Bogie and Bacall Bar top end of 136 street, $0. 65 Angkor beer, $1. 50 long island ice tea and a all day $3. 95 budget meal which includes a free beer. Good place start off drinking and meet the locals. Have a couple of very ugly old hostess.
Hostess Bars (My top 3)
Beaver Bar 136 Street and Rue 5, good selection of girls, $20 to $30 for LT, had a couple of 3 holers, one bare back. Have a dark room under the dance floor for rub and tug or BJ $10
Happy Man Bar 110 street and Rue 5, Khmer run joint, fat little mumma son who is loads of laughs. Plenty of Vietnamese.
Up Down Bar next to B&b, Not your teeny booper, plays good music, load of girls and 3 ladyboys.
Viet Knock Shops
2 on the other side of Heart of Darkness, $8 BBBJ and $13 ST. Check under the bed for shifty Viet to steel from you and don't walk along the side of the bed as the dirty little harlots like to spit and through the used donger there.
Extras
Hire a boat for $45, orginize a few mates, girls and food and go for a 6 hour criuze up the mekong.
Have fun
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Good info from HandyDan. Our hostess bar recommendations don't quite match, although I like Beaver Bar, but what are the odds that any two guys would exactly agree? The balcony rooms at Fancy could be had for $20 with negotiating last May. I did not know about the cheap food options at Bogie and Bacall. I will have to check it out. I now understand its appeal. always saw the unattractive hostesses and average menu, and kept going. I think it is the only "hostess bar" near the riverside or St. 51 that I have not been in.
HD, which Viet knock shops are you talking about? The massage places on the same block as Heart of Darkness, or the more straightforward houses around the corner on 154? The latter were definitely still providing FS for $5 a few months ago, but of course tried for $10. The only time I tried one of the massage places by Heart, there was only one lady who would do BBBJ, and she was neither young nor attractive. Maybe I was just unlucky, and I should give it another try.
Thanks for the reply Hippie
Got a discount at Fancies, but iI think best posting the higher price and let the punter negociatate! Same for the Viet massage joints (2 on the north side of heat of darkness) got good BBBJ on the condition of a root. They work you up for a BJ and you work them up on a ST, better their BBBJ the more money I pay for a root!
The best thing about PP, differant strokes for differant fokes! 104 Street are mercenaries, except cololinal bar which is good too chill out and play a game of pool. 50% drop in tourism and 30 more bars opening, you would think it would be cheaper!
From a punter who has spent 10 weeks in the last year there!
After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will travel back through PP and have 3 hours before heading to the airport to continue on to Bangkok. Any suggestions for a daytime (1-4 pm) place to have a great session and overall time?
After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will be heading to Bangkok via PP and have 3 daytime hours (1-4 pm) before heading to the airport. Any recommendations for a good time and session in the afternoon? (Will have the suitcase on wheels in hand unfortunately.)
Don't mind the buses, but a 12 hour bus ride just ruins my day, if not two. I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative. A beach in the middle with some PDP or just a good touris scene would be great. Any ideas?
I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative.If you've got time, the obvious one is a night in Koh Kong (4 hrs from PP) and then another night in Pattaya (another 6 hrs). Koh Kong has a bit of a scene, and I hear Pattaya does too.
Don't mind the buses, but a 12 hour bus ride just ruins my day, if not two. I'm planning on going back to PP to pick up a plane, but was wondering if anyone had an alternative. A beach in the middle with some PDP or just a good touris scene would be great. Any ideas?I've done the trip once before and got off the bus in Pattaya. The scenery wasn't bad and as i was travelling solo, so i jumped in the front of the mini bus so i had a bit more room. I dont think i'd do it again. I'd rather get back to PP then flight back to Bangkok from PP then catch a cab to Pattaya or stay in Bangkok. All depends on how much cash and time you have...catch the bus is really wasting the day if your not into the scenery.
I'd rather get back to PP then flight back to Bangkok from PP then catch a cab to Pattaya or stay in Bangkok.
If you fly into Bangkok, you could consider getting the Bell Travel bus to Pattaya. It only costs around 200 baht and is ok. A coach to take you to Pattaya bus station and then a minibus to take you to your hotel.
You can find Bell travel at Level 1 gate 7. I did this in December and had no problems at all. You can book over the internet, or just take your chance and turn up on spec and see if there's a spare seat. They usually run every half hour. It sure beats the expense of 800 - 1,000 baht for a taxi and is just as comfortable with the reclining seats.
Just my 2 baht worth,
Have fun
Expatcat
They usually run every half hour.
Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers!
Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers!
http://pattayabus.com/en/route_schedule.htm#5
There is another public, yellow one, runing in between these times too.
After spending time in PP and Sihanoukville, I will travel back through PP and have 3 hours before heading to the airport to continue on to Bangkok. Any suggestions for a daytime (1-4 pm) place to have a great session and overall time?
Couple of short times at Walkabout?
http://pattayabus.com/en/route_schedule.htm#5
There is another public, yellow one, runing in between these times too.I think I took this one before but bus only lets you off in a bus station in Patts and then you have to provide your own tuk to find hotel.
Not 100% sure, but Bell travel will also drop you off at hotel after you board their minibus in Patts.
Dont think so.
If I remember correctly, the Bell bus runs every 2 hours.
Cheers!
My mistake, you're correct. I remember booking and arriving at a time when it was just about to depart.
Bell will get you to your hotel via a minibus when you arrive at Patts, all part of the service.
Sorry if there was any confusion. Bell Travel can be contacted through the web.
Expatcat
Member #3060
01-17-09, 02:55
Are there any common scams or traps that are prevalent in Phnom Penh? I've been to Bangkok a couple of times and know some of the tricks there.
A common one in Thailand is when you want to go some place such as a temple or Wat and the driver tells you it's closed, but offers to take you better temple presumably so you'll stumble into someone who wants to sell you gems at an amazing discount.
I'm also trying to figure out what's a good price for transportation. I've read that most trips around town can be made for 1000 to 2000 Reil. I've seen a post where a tuk tuk driver can be hired for $10 a day.
What is a good day price for an actual taxi with 4 doors and 4 wheels?
What is a good day price for someone with just a motocycle?
Please excuse my ignorance on these topics if this information has already been posted. I've read back about 3-4 months in the forum but I don't remember seeing this info posted although I might have skimmed over it.
Thank you expats and seasoned veterans for you input. Your posts have been invaluable to me over the years.
Less scam's compared to Thailand and Vietnam, as they are not that bright! Cambodians are more oppotunic, than deep thinkind scam artist. More chance of a mugging late at night! Don't wear any flashy jewellery and change all your money to small money. One dollars and fives, pay the the tuk tuk in riel. Be more wary of the Russians and Nigerian brothers, they invented scams.
I only use tuk tuks, as I won't get on a moto (to dangerouse) and the new cabs/taxies are hard to find. From 136 street riverside too walk a bout I would pay $1 during the day and $1. 50 at night, don't let them charge more for more people as they will fit 10 Cambodians in the same tuk tuk for half the price. You will never pay Cambdian price's! Be firm on the price, before you get on board and don't be afraid to say fuck off and move onto the next driver!
Are there any common scams or traps that are prevalent in Phnom Penh? I've been to Bangkok a couple of times and know some of the tricks there.
Bangkok x 10
A common one in Thailand is when you want to go some place such as a temple or Wat and the driver tells you it's closed, but offers to take you better temple presumably so you'll stumble into someone who wants to sell you gems at an amazing discount.
A Khmer variation - "that hotel's shut, let me take you to a better one (sometimes it's true, but may equally be a shit hole where he gets commission)
I'm also trying to figure out what's a good price for transportation. I've read that most trips around town can be made for 1000 to 2000 Reil. I've seen a post where a tuk tuk driver can be hired for $10 a day.
A good price IMO is what you can get away with and still enjot the transaction. $10 in Siem Reap is realistic but harder to get in PP. 2000R should get you across central PP if you don't take no for an answer. In SR it's more if he's busy as the place is so tiny anyway (remember Angkor Wat is not 'in' SR though).
What is a good day price for an actual taxi with 4 doors and 4 wheels?
Can't imagine you would really want one except in PP to avoid the dust from the trip to the airport or maybe a day trip somewhere equally dusty. Just pay a bit more than a tuk-tuk
What is a good day price for someone with just a motocycle?
Best way of getting around most places - and some out of town places are only accessible by bike or 4x4. A bit less than a tuk-tuk.
Please excuse my ignorance on these topics if this information has already been posted. I've read back about 3-4 months in the forum but I don't remember seeing this info posted although I might have skimmed over it.
It's just that most of your questions are how long is a piece of string. If you've read back that far you will have seen the silly arguments about whether to pay sod-all or less-than-sod-all for a bike to cross the street. The rest is up to you and your charm and ability to haggle.
Moto drivers taking you into Haircut/garage brothels, here when your in the room and your chosen lady insist you put your trouser/pants on the door hook, then your going to get pickpocketed.
There`s lady`s in freelance bars, martini`s comes to mind, were she will get you a young lady for a $10 fee, this is a cheeky scam because you could have found her yourself the same lady anyhow`s. i hope this answere`s member *3060`s questions.
.From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?
Southbound69
01-24-09, 22:17
.From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?Hey there,
My Cambodian g/f and I just got a 2 week Vietnam visa at the embassy in Phnom Penh last March. I think the cost for both of us was about $65 USD. I filled out the applications for both of us and since they were getting ready to go to lunch they were rushing us to get the forms completed. We were in and out of there in less than 30 minutes with visas in hand. Make sure you bring a passport size photo.
Southbound69
Couldn't help but laugh when I read your post Christopherd - I have seen the "that hotel is shut scam, but not in Cambodia, was in Vietnam. Was given it by a guy sent by the hotel with free pick up service - he took us to another hotel ready to screw the original hotel that had sent him. It was a shitbag, so we insisted on going to the original to see for ourselves, and he relented. No tip for him.
Another one I've experienced in Bangkok is the "Grand palace is closed for lunch", in front of the Palace while it was open. Perpetrated only a few yards from the entrance guards, who said nothing. Didn't fall for it, as I had read of it before.
Oh yeah, then there was the cab driver in Shanghai who gave me an extended tour of the city to drive up to the meter costs... but the difference was only a dollar or two and I enjoyed the view!
Have not experienced anything comparable in Cambodia.
Bangkok x 10
A Khmer variation - "that hotel's shut, let me take you to a better one (sometimes it's true, but may equally be a shit hole where he gets commission)
A good price IMO is what you can get away with and still enjot the transaction. $10 in Siem Reap is realistic but harder to get in PP. 2000R should get you across central PP if you don't take no for an answer. In SR it's more if he's busy as the place is so tiny anyway (remember Angkor Wat is not 'in' SR though).
Can't imagine you would really want one except in PP to avoid the dust from the trip to the airport or maybe a day trip somewhere equally dusty. Just pay a bit more than a tuk-tuk
Best way of getting around most places - and some out of town places are only accessible by bike or 4x4. A bit less than a tuk-tuk.
It's just that most of your questions are how long is a piece of string. If you've read back that far you will have seen the silly arguments about whether to pay sod-all or less-than-sod-all for a bike to cross the street. The rest is up to you and your charm and ability to haggle.
Phil Istine
01-25-09, 15:09
Went to the newly opened cavern bar the other night in 104 street.early days,no food yet but it was really just another skinny gutted low ceilinged PP hole in the wall.Not cavernous enough for me.
By contrast the iris bar on the corner of 136 and 5,first corner from the river before huxleys is a beauty.The opening night was a cracker,heaps of free beer,a big pig on a spit and karaoke outside.there must have been 150 people there,rob huxley would have had smoke coming out of his ears.
It is a corner bar so very spacious with a lovely ceiling details all backlit and a acrylic floor with lights beneath that is a complete cockup.
Comfy seating and some really nice girls,we came back later in the night and sat outside and I was impressed by two girls in particular.
We ordered pizza from the candy bar next door,cheap and tasty.The candy is another comfy place,double width with dollar beers all day.
The same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress,you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
Iris soon to have food too apparently,there is a lot of seating outside and it is much more pleasant than the riverside.
Next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.
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.From what I read so far, they will not let me in Vietnam (border) without a visa so 1st need to get one at the PP Viet embassy. What's the current cost of a visa for a US citizen and how many days should I stay in PP for the visa to be completed.
(in the past, it was about $25 and 3 working days, but not sure if Saturdays counts as a working day for the Viet embassy in PP, as in many many asian countries, Saturday is not a day off for them)?
Shark
Note: been inform just now that the current price is over $40?
I was thinking of visiting Vietnam last year and did my RTFF. I found out that there are several Vietnamese travel agencies that with a fee will have your visa waiting for you at the border/airport. Ask the guys at the Vietnam forum.
Go to Lucky Moto. Ask any motodop, they all know the place, and get a small kick back for taking you there. I used them for all my travel needs while in PP. They can get you a Viet Nam visa in a day or two.
Take the express Saigon bus unless you like standing in the sun for hours waiting to clear immigration.
Went to the newly opened cavern bar the other night in 104 street. Early days, no food yet but it was really just another skinny gutted low ceilinged PP hole in the wall. Not cavernous enough for me.
By contrast the iris bar on the corner of 136 and 5, first corner from the river before huxleys is a beauty. The opening night was a cracker, heaps of free beer, a big pig on a spit and karaoke outside. There must have been 150 people there, rob huxley would have had smoke coming out of his ears.
It is a corner bar so very spacious with a lovely ceiling details all backlit and a acrylic floor with lights beneath that is a complete cockup.
Comfy seating and some really nice girls, we came back later in the night and sat outside and I was impressed by two girls in particular.
We ordered pizza from the candy bar next door, cheap and tasty. The candy is another comfy place, double width with dollar beers all day.
The same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress, you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
Iris soon to have food too apparently, there is a lot of seating outside and it is much more pleasant than the riverside.
Next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.I was watching the Iris Bar being built at xmass, I agree the ceiling and blacked out window look good, the floor was a bit over the top, how did the outside toilet go, much of a line up. Rue 5 is turning into a good little steet and the reggea bar will add to it. If they did something with the 2 building opposite huxly's and iris there would be no need to go to riverside at all. Is the cavarn bar owned by 69 bar and 104 bar?
I was thinking of visiting Vietnam last year and did my RTFF. I found out that there are several Vietnamese travel agencies that with a fee will have your visa waiting for you at the border/airport. Ask the guys at the Vietnam forum.Actually,
I did just that before posting here and it was their idea to ask it here instead, so go figure.
Thanks anyway.
Shark
Hey there,
My Cambodian g/f and I just got a 2 week Vietnam visa at the embassy in Phnom Penh last March. I think the cost for both of us was about $65 USD. I filled out the applications for both of us and since they were getting ready to go to lunch they were rushing us to get the forms completed. We were in and out of there in less than 30 minutes with visas in hand. Make sure you bring a passport size photo.
Southbound69Thanks,
Not sure if prices are different if applying for Viet visa if citizen from differ. countries and perhaps your Cambo GF rates may also be alot cheaper. Mine is from US citizen so not sure if the rate is about $25 as I had remember from before?
Thanks Butt Ugly,
What was the cost of the Express HCMC bus from PP? and does this bus leave from the Central market or another part of town.
Thanks
Sharka
the same night we tried several hole in the wall places in 136 and they did not impress,you have to wonder how the shitty little places will survive with some real money being spent on the bigger places.
next big bar to open is the reggae bar just up the road.
actually, i prefer the smaller bars. the big places usually have far too many **** virgins and other girls who are not available to barfine, and a less intimate atmosphere. then again, the first complaint also applies to bars 69, 136, and 104, which is why i seldom visit any of them.
rue 5 is turning into a good little steet and the reggea bar will add to it. if they did something with the 2 building opposite huxly's and iris there would be no need to go to riverside at all. is the cavarn bar owned by 69 bar and 104 bar?
reggae bar should be interesting. it is going to be on the corner of 5 and 110, which is starting to develop into a nice little bar area. happy man, cloud 9, and domino all have decent lineups these days, and bada bing is not a bad place to go for dinner and a few drinks to get the night started.
yeah, barry owns all or part of each of those three plus bar 136, if i am not mistaken. he originally owned dv8, but no longer. the cavern is not going to be a hostess bar. it is just going to be a regular bar + restaurant, similar to velkommen inn, which is practically right next door. if he matches the quality of their food at the same prices, that will be great, but i will be surprised if he does.
Shadow6491
01-28-09, 13:09
The Best Bus to take from PP to HCMC is Mekong Express. I think it is upto $13 now. It leaves from Phsar Orresay street 184.
can anyone recommend a gym in PP to work out during the daytime?
can anyone recommend a gym in PP to work out during the daytime?Go from Walkabout along Chiplay-Hotel to street63, turn left and after something like a 100 or 200 meters you will find a small sign that is leading to a gymn in a backyard on the left side.
I think also some of the 4- or 5-star-hotels have gymns
"Reggae Bar should be interesting. It is going to be on the corner of 5 and 110, which is starting to develop into a nice little bar area. Happy Man, Cloud 9, and Domino all have decent lineups these days, and Bada Bing is not a bad place to go for dinner and a few drinks to get the night started. "
I had some good times at Happy Man over Xmass, the one in the black I had a few times, thought she was a absolute stunner, tits where great, nipple did not look like a week old fried egg. She was not the best root! Khmer ladies seem to have the most ugly feet and never seem to lift them when they walk.
Dan
How many buses leave to and fro per day and how much time does it take. How does the immigaration system while travelling by road?
The Best Bus to take from PP to HCMC is Mekong Express. I think it is upto $13 now. It leaves from Phsar Orresay street 184.
Shadow6491
02-02-09, 03:57
There are three buses 7.30, 8.30 and 9.30. You need to have a vietnam visa as you can not get one at the border on arrival. This can be obtained in PP for $35 and is available the next day. The buss takes 6 hours door to door. The Mekong buss makes the border crossings pretty quick about 30 min for both. they take your passports and get them stamped in and out you just get off the buss and back on when your name is called.
Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.
Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.
i 100% with cadreyboy, in PP girls are better GFE than HCM City both Viet or Cambo.QUOTE=Cadreyboy]100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.[/QUOTE]
Phantomtiger2
02-03-09, 00:32
Travelling 6 hours is a bit too much, but if I want to choose one of the two either Ho Chi Min or Phnem phen what would you suggest. In terms of beauty and GFE. I am sure there will be a difference in price.
My feeling is that PP will win out. I have not made it to HCMC yet as on my last try I ran into alot of problems trying to obtain the Viet visa , but plan to do so again shortly.
Just from what I know so far about HCMC, its difficult to get all the FS at a cheap price, but not the case in PP.
Also, from my own experiences, the Viets are more "professional" .
PT
The problem with vietnam, is vietnamese by law can not stay together in a hotel room together, without showing proof of marriage! And all vistitor too be out by 11 pm, and they keep your passport! So no LT! All hotels are ment to registor you information each day to the local boys in brown! There are ways around this, but is it worth paying tea money to the cops! PP is far better!
Pointy Stick
02-03-09, 10:34
100% Phnom Penh, you'd be nuts to go to Ho Chi Minh.
In PP you can choose out of both viet or cambo chicks anyway so you get the best of both worlds, i find the cambo's tend to make better GFE, but i prefer the look of the viets. I have only really transited through Ho Chi Minh and from that limited experience it seems a lot harder to get what you want over there, where as in PP its a piece of candy.
I second that. Vietnam sucks and it took me ages to find some action. Viets in PP will be cheaper anyway.
I agree with what others have said regarding Vietnam. When I worked in Hue I had an interpreter hook me up with the right club, and with a girl. But I'm sure I wouldn't have found this club on my own, let alone been able to make arrangements with the girl, who spoke no English.
Also when I first arrived I had a reservation at an upscale hotel on the Perfume River. He (my American interpreter who was Vietnamese) quickly had me change to a lower scale, but still decent, hotel that he knew would allow me to take a Vietnamese girl back to my room for the night. Without his assistance, none of this would have happened.
In HCMC, on a separate visit, I was on my own. I got the "right" hotel, and went to a few of the "clubs" to meet a girl. I found one, paid, and brought her back to my hotel. It was decent, but within an hour the hotel management was knocking on my door quite anxious to get her out of there. What a hassle.
Thailand and Cambodia are much better, less money, and essentially no stress and hassle.
Phil Istine
02-06-09, 02:31
HCM is a much nicer city in my opinion but meeting ladies and then going to a hotel is tougher.
I found some very nice girls in the regional cities though.
Martinis is still good for viets I believe and obviously no hassles with hotels.
I think the Viet women are prettier.
Shamas O'Dognasty
I have heard, the government after thier effort in tiding up the river front, has now said no hostess bars allowed one block for the river front! Any truth in this?
That is what the owner of a hostess bar on St. 172 (not near the river) has been telling people, but I have talked to some bar owners who would be affected and they have not heard this, so who knows?
Go from Walkabout along Chiplay-Hotel to street63, turn left and after something like a 100 or 200 meters you will find a small sign that is leading to a gymn in a backyard on the left side.
I think also some of the 4- or 5-star-hotels have gymns
Thanks. Is this a proper gym or just some equipment outdoors?
Phil Istine
02-18-09, 18:27
Rumours of bars being banned from having hostesses within a block from the river probably true.
Times they are a changing in phnom penh.
depends on what the Cambo definition of a "block" is :)
"depends on what the Cambo definition of a "block" is "
Good point! For example on 136 street, would Iris Bar be included and Beaver Bar be exempt being on the other side of street 5? If a Hostess bar adds a menu and serves food, and all the lovly ladies are waitresses, is it classed as a hostess bar? Would bars like Candy, Rose and DV8 be exluded as they heve a menu and are Cambo run?
GregLondon
02-20-09, 03:15
Just thought I would put in a word for the Asia Hotel (Hotel Asie) on Monivong Bvd as a good place to stay in PP.
Many mongers stay at the Flamingo Hotel ($25/35) which is a solid option (apparently with wifi near some of the clubs and bars.)
I've generally found them fully booked so tend to end up at the Asia. (Typically after a lengthy detour of other options prompted by commission seeking motodops at the bus station) Asia (nor Flamingo) don't pay commissions.
Asia is a convenient location near the central market. You can walk to the riverside in about 10 mins or take a motodop (2000-4000 r (0.5-1.0 $) depending on bargaining skills.
The basic rooms in the Asia which is a mid range hotel , a bit run down but nice beds and good friendly attitude are around $18-20. Larger rooms and ones with an in room wired internet connection go for around $30-40 inc unlimited internet usage. you typically have to bargain quite hard to get lower prices. The best rooms have wall to wall mirrors which can be very erotic if you enjoy watching yourself with a couple of cuties.
Fast Eddie 48
02-20-09, 08:17
Just thought I would put in a word for the Asia Hotel (Hotel Asie) on Monivong Bvd as a good place to stay in PP.
Many mongers stay at the Flamingo Hotel ($25/35) which is a solid option (apparently with wifi near some of the clubs and bars.)
I've generally found them fully booked so tend to end up at the Asia. (Typically after a lengthy detour of other options prompted by commission seeking motodops at the bus station) Asia (nor Flamingo) don't pay commissions.
Asia is a convenient location near the central market. You can walk to the riverside in about 10 mins or take a motodop (2000-4000 r (0.5-1.0 $) depending on bargaining skills.
The basic rooms in the Asia which is a mid range hotel , a bit run down but nice beds and good friendly attitude are around $18-20. Larger rooms and ones with an in room wired internet connection go for around $30-40 inc unlimited internet usage. you typically have to bargain quite hard to get lower prices. The best rooms have wall to wall mirrors which can be very erotic if you enjoy watching yourself with a couple of cuties.Greg,
I stay at Asia hotel about 6 yr ago on my first trip to PP ,it was run down then and need remodeling ,they have a prono cable tv channel that is nice but the last 2 trip stay at the New york and Sakura hotel much nicer ,only $32 usd a night with free pick up at the airport.
Fast eddie 48
Anyone can offer any info about the massage place for the above?
Have heard before from the locals that the massage place in both these hotels are of upper class and pricy too. Greatful to hear some tips or gals' #. cheers
Kenny Rogers
02-21-09, 22:44
Folks, I'll be back in PP 27th of Feb - heading for the action at Cycree's, Martini and Walkabout plus maybe Sharky's, Happy Man and Bunny Bar.
ARe all of these still open or is there anything new to recommend ?
Appreciate the usual help round'here...
aside from the fact that Naga is also the casino in PP??
Flamingo has wifi on all their floors. It can be a bit loud in the morning when the temple has the loudspeakers going full blast, otherwise was OK. the safe in the room is nice to have at $25 a bit more than others but OK otherwise
never been to happy or bunny - others still in operation as of december
I just got back yesterday after 3 weeks away broken up between Thailand and 9 days in PP Cambodia. I had a great trip even though prices are rising rapidly compared to a few years back but Cambodia is still cheap.
My whole trip went great and there is not much more I can add regarding mongering tips in PP that has not already been written here already. The only thing I can think of is, that the day time price for freelancers at bars like Walkabout is $15 average but you can get $10 short time. I did several times. They will ask for $20 to $30 to start with. The nighttime prices seems to be around $15 to $30 asking price for short time but $20 is average and depends on your negotiating skills.
I do though have an unpleasant story from the Flamingo Hotel where I stayed. Firstly they advertise free airport pick up and I asked about drop off and they said on the phone it is free, WRONG! Pick up is free but drop off is USD$7. That was just the small issue the big one was that I made my reservation for the standard $25 per day room. I emailed them several times asking to confirm $25 per night as I usually do. They ignored my request. I emailed again and they confirmed they were holding a room for me but again did not confirm the $25 quoted on their web site. When I arrived I verbally confirmed $25 with the afternoon manager called Bono. He agreed and showed me to my room but nothing in writing.
All went well and the service was great for a 3rd world cheap Asian mongering hotel until it was check out time. I ask for the bill and they are trying to charge me $35 per day for a superior room. What? The room I was in was very basic, nothing superior about it at all and looked like any standard room in any other cheap hotel. I showed them my emails stating I wanted a $25 room and they produced an email showing that I had requested a superior room! Conflicting emails. What the? I asked them to show me my first reservation request email sent to them from their web site and mysteriously, it has been deleted. I wrote "$25 room only" in the comment box during my reservation requests, that’s why it got deleted haha. What they did was changed my request from a standard room to a superior room (which is in the fine print of there email and not easy to see) and then replied as if I had asked for a superior room. Dirty trick! Anyway, fortunately I kept all my emails but still they would not let up. I had 4 of the staff arguing this point with me at the same time. Many guys would have got intimidated and just paid but not me. I have a thing about dishonesty. Talk about intimidation! I stood my ground and the whole thing lasted over one hour. I insisted that the afternoon manager be called in (it was still morning). They called him on the phone and I went through every email and every conversation I had with him, as he was my contact there and I spoke to him mainly and he replied to my emails, he could not deny it. After more argument, he got on the phone to the morning manager and said, "It's O.K." and they charged me the right price. I was really pissed off by this trick and they knew it. I couldn't look any of them in the face for the rest of the day and I was leaving in a few hours. I then didn’t trust them even with my bags so as I was packed and checking out, I took my bags to Walkabout Hotel and left them with the manager behind the bar. Earlier, I was friendly with all of the Flamingo staff and tipping them daily etc but from that point they got nothing from me. They then charged me for laundry I had already paid cash for which I took on the chin and shut up as it was only a $2.70 but before leaving I confronted the guy I had earlier paid this to and said, “ I was going to give you all a $10 tip but now you get nothing" and walked off. At this point they realized that they were messing with the wrong guy and I would not be intimidated by them.
As you can see, it left a bad taste in my mouth. As I was leaving, the staff were trying the same thing on an American guy who was complaining as I left.
Conclusion: Get the room price in writing from the Flamingo if not, don’t stay there. The rooms are no better than the $12 Walkabout hotel room but the hotel itself is much nicer and you get breakfast.
FYI, it costs $20 for a tourist visa to get into the country at the airport and $25 for an exit visa to leave. Sounds like the Flamingo is not the only con here hahah.
Good luck and stay sharp.
Cheers
This is nothing new. Most of the Cambodians are pretty well known for ripping off tourist. They would do whatever they could to make a dollar of two from foreigners. I guess poverty has a lot to do with it.
I just got back yesterday after 3 weeks away broken up between Thailand and 9 days in PP Cambodia. I had a great trip even though prices are rising rapidly compared to a few years back but Cambodia is still cheap.
My whole trip went great and there is not much more I can add regarding mongering tips in PP that has not already been written here already. The only thing I can think of is, that the day time price for freelancers at bars like Walkabout is $15 average but you can get $10 short time. I did several times. They will ask for $20 to $30 to start with. The nighttime prices seems to be around $15 to $30 asking price for short time but $20 is average and depends on your negotiating skills.
I do though have an unpleasant story from the Flamingo Hotel where I stayed. Firstly they advertise free airport pick up and I asked about drop off and they said on the phone it is free, WRONG! Pick up is free but drop off is USD$7. That was just the small issue the big one was that I made my reservation for the standard $25 per day room. I emailed them several times asking to confirm $25 per night as I usually do. They ignored my request. I emailed again and they confirmed they were holding a room for me but again did not confirm the $25 quoted on their web site. When I arrived I verbally confirmed $25 with the afternoon manager called Bono. He agreed and showed me to my room but nothing in writing.
All went well and the service was great for a 3rd world cheap Asian mongering hotel until it was check out time. I ask for the bill and they are trying to charge me $35 per day for a superior room. What? The room I was in was very basic, nothing superior about it at all and looked like any standard room in any other cheap hotel. I showed them my emails stating I wanted a $25 room and they produced an email showing that I had requested a superior room! Conflicting emails. What the? I asked them to show me my first reservation request email sent to them from their web site and mysteriously, it has been deleted. I wrote "$25 room only" in the comment box during my reservation requests, that’s why it got deleted haha. What they did was changed my request from a standard room to a superior room (which is in the fine print of there email and not easy to see) and then replied as if I had asked for a superior room. Dirty trick! Anyway, fortunately I kept all my emails but still they would not let up. I had 4 of the staff arguing this point with me at the same time. Many guys would have got intimidated and just paid but not me. I have a thing about dishonesty. Talk about intimidation! I stood my ground and the whole thing lasted over one hour. I insisted that the afternoon manager be called in (it was still morning). They called him on the phone and I went through every email and every conversation I had with him, as he was my contact there and I spoke to him mainly and he replied to my emails, he could not deny it. After more argument, he got on the phone to the morning manager and said, "It's O.K." and they charged me the right price. I was really pissed off by this trick and they knew it. I couldn't look any of them in the face for the rest of the day and I was leaving in a few hours. I then didn’t trust them even with my bags so as I was packed and checking out, I took my bags to Walkabout Hotel and left them with the manager behind the bar. Earlier, I was friendly with all of the Flamingo staff and tipping them daily etc but from that point they got nothing from me. They then charged me for laundry I had already paid cash for which I took on the chin and shut up as it was only a $2.70 but before leaving I confronted the guy I had earlier paid this to and said, “ I was going to give you all a $10 tip but now you get nothing" and walked off. At this point they realized that they were messing with the wrong guy and I would not be intimidated by them.
As you can see, it left a bad taste in my mouth. As I was leaving, the staff were trying the same thing on an American guy who was complaining as I left.
Conclusion: Get the room price in writing from the Flamingo if not, don’t stay there. The rooms are no better than the $12 Walkabout hotel room but the hotel itself is much nicer and you get breakfast.
FYI, it costs $20 for a tourist visa to get into the country at the airport and $25 for an exit visa to leave. Sounds like the Flamingo is not the only con here hahah.
Good luck and stay sharp.
Cheers
FritsVanegter
02-23-09, 12:12
Hello,
I did stay at flamingos 2 times but the service did indeed go down deep. Arriving a few minutes to late for free breakfast and they will make you pay for it. If I have to pay I can have better options outside, just walk out. All the rooms are very basic no need to choose the superior one. One of the night staff at reception did have the guts to ask me for 10$. Later he did say he would pay me back. Every night when returning from outside I had to chase the guard from the quest computer in the lobby and if it wasn't him most of the time it would be the other staff. Just showing up and looking at them wouldn't make my intentions clear everytime I had to ask some of the '' english speaking'' staff to chase the guard away and to do his job. 80% of the staff there shouldn't be working in the tourist industry. One more annoying thing they keep standing behind me while I was connected to yahoo messenger and trying to read my conversations. In the past I did think the Thai were chasing away the tourist but now it is clear that the Cambodians are doing the same. One more the use of mobiles during working hours (but this was at a riverside restaurant) I pretended to take a photo and show it to her boss who would come to pick up the money in the afternoon! Anyway a lot of tourist will not be able to travel there because of the worldwide crisis so maybe it will be better after a few years.
Greetings,
Frits
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Quote: This is nothing new. Most of the Cambodians are pretty well known for ripping off tourist. They would do whatever they could to make a dollar of two from foreigners. I guess poverty has a lot to do with it.
Believe it or not I found everyone in PP more honest with my change in bars or motor taxi prices etc than in Bangkok. I actually was expecting a big rip off city based on what I had read but I found the opposite.
The Flamingo Hotel issue has little to do with poverty. The owners are rich and this scam is a well-orchestrated way to rip off customers. I can understand a poor tuk tuk driver who makes $10 a day trying to charge $1 more for a ride but a big hotel like this? No way.
Cheers
There is NO EXIT VISA - yes, there IS a $25 fee to FLY OUT - but it is an AIRPORT FEE. You can take a BUS for "no exit charge except for the bus cost" (and take 12 hours getting back to BKK as well)
Look at your BKK fees and you will see 500B AIRPORT FEE there, too
To get from Flamingo to PNH you can take a moto rickshaw for $6 or Flamingo's mini for $7. I like the chance to take candid pictures from the back of the moto Of course, it's not aircon...
the main ting Flamingo has going for it compared to WA is a LIFT the second thing is WiFi and the third is the in-room SAFE. Once WA opens the hotel that used to be ChipLay (next door) the lift issue goes away
Phnom Penh is a small size city. It really does not matter where you stay unless you want everything within walking distance. Who would want to walk around in the middle of night anyway?
Motos are cheap. generally $1 or less. Tuk Tuk are $2 anywhere.
Generally all hotels try to sqeeze you for more money saying they gave you a better room. Who knows what are the other rooms are like?
This clearly shows it is better to book through agoda, asiatravel etc rather than directly from the hotel. There are many internet cafe's around. No need to worry about wi fi.
I usually stay at Riverside hotel. Walking distance to many clubs. Breakfast is not that good. Rooms are ok for $30/night. Little run down hotel but clean and they are very friendly. They have safe downstairs not in the room.
There is a massage place within 2 blocks . Charge is $8 for 2 hours. did not ask for extras.
Hi Guys,
I spend a lot of time in Vietnam and China / HK and am coming for the first time to PP next month.
Having RTFF I still have a few questions which I hope one of the more experienced of you could help me out with :
I will probably be staying at the Intercon or another 5 star hotel. Is there a 5 star hotel which has in house massage with FS or a bar where FL hang out?
Am I restricted to Casa or Holiday Manhattan if the above is my criteria. Neither of these hotels look like 5 star from their websites.
I read a report about a bar call ed Moscow anybody have more info on that?
Thanks,
Dabeast
Thanks for the info on Flamingos Blastoff. I was seriously considering staying there this upcoming May, but believe I will try somewhere else now.
First of all, can't really compare the Flamingo to the Walkabout. I had stayed at both for 2 nites each and the difference is great. The Flamingo (overall hotel and rooms ) would be consider a 1st class place compare to the Walkabout room I stayed in (very dark/ run down-also a sense that place is not that clean), but what do you expect as the price of a Walkabout room is about 1/3 or less than the Flamingo.
Only real advantages to Walkabout:
1) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap room.
2) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap beer.
3) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap f**k.
Disclaimer:
Just my experiences of course as yours may vary.
Shark
Hi Guys,
I spend a lot of time in Vietnam and China / HK and am coming for the first time to PP next month.
Having RTFF I still have a few questions which I hope one of the more experienced of you could help me out with :
I will probably be staying at the Intercon or another 5 star hotel. Is there a 5 star hotel which has in house massage with FS or a bar where FL hang out?
Am I restricted to Casa or Holiday Manhattan if the above is my criteria. Neither of these hotels look like 5 star from their websites.
I read a report about a bar call ed Moscow anybody have more info on that?
Thanks,
Dabeast
Hi There,
You will have a lot of fun in PP.
All hotels even cheap ones either have massage or will call a girl to your room for you for either massage, massage with a happy ending or full sex no problem.
If you are staying at a 5 Star hotel then you can afford to spend a little money and get much higher class girls from clubs and better establishments that Walkabout and Martini's. If you can afford to spend around USD$100 per day on drinks and high-class girls, you will have the time of your life in PP.
One of the best references to what is where is the local pocket book available free from many hotel lobbies and bookstores or on line. Here is the web site: www.cambodiapocketguide.com
There are 3 different guides available, the Dining & Drinking (which has the most information on bars etc) The Out and About which is great for travelling and the After Dark which is a little disappointing as more is covered in the Dining & Drinking.
Have fun.
The Flamingo Hotel issue has little to do with poverty. The owners are rich and this scam is a well-orchestrated way to rip off customers. I can understand a poor tuk tuk driver who makes $10 a day trying to charge $1 more for a ride but a big hotel like this? No way.
Cheers
It's too bad to read about this sort of thing going on at Flamingo.
I haven't been in a couple of years, but it sure seems like the service has dropped way off since Frank, the previous GM, died. Well, technically, he quit, then dropped dead a few days later. :( But he never would have put up with crap like this.
I will say I had trouble with the free pickup. On two consecutive trips, a year apart, the moron pick-up guy didn't show. I complained about it the first time, but they were insistent that he did show, but I wasn't there. I didn't press it, as the fact of the matter was that there were two flights from BKK, both landing about the same time, although they did know my flight information. But the second time, I wouldn't take no for an answer. They relented and gave me a free return trip to the airport.
The front desk staff were always kind and very helpful.
Again, too bad. Sounds like it's become a typically Khmer-run joint now.
Sounds like it's become a typically Khmer-run joint now.So true. I used to really like the place when they opened and Frank was in charge. I stayed loyal even after they went all-Khmer and standards started dropping. But the last couple times were just hopeless -- missing reservations, dodgy housekeeping, just a general sense that they're doing the absolute minimum possible to keep the place running. Even the Walkabout has a better feeling to it, and that's pretty faint praise.
Fast Eddie 48
03-01-09, 02:26
Asia Palace Hotel new hotel just open ,I like to know if any one stay here yet ,look like a nice hotel $ 40 usd for a standard double next to central market .
www.aisapalacehotel.com # 219 monivong bivd
Fast eddie 48
Aussie Fella
03-02-09, 03:18
Only real advantages to Walkabout:
1) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap room.
2) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap beer.
3) just have to walk down to lobby for a quick and cheap f**k.
That sounds ok to me. Presumably the rooms aren't so bad that one wouldn't be able to bring girls back.
I've not been to PP yet but will be popping my PP cherry in November (sigh.. so far away). I'll be in Cambodia for a couple of weeks and plan on traveling around a bit but definitely want to spend long enough in PP to sample all the delights I've heard about. After all, you don't travel that far without making sure you get to experience everything on offer!!
Seems like a good hotel and has a good deal for 3 nights. I just read in general info the PHP is a dangerous place . How safe it is compared to HCM. Personality wise, which girls are better. Vietnamese or Cambodian. I don't like the skinny ones nor the bulky one. I love good asses. I have to make this trip before this month end. Thanks for all the info.
Asia Palace Hotel new hotel just open ,I like to know if any one stay here yet ,look like a nice hotel $ 40 usd for a standard double next to central market .
www.aisapalacehotel.com # 219 monivong bivd
Fast eddie 48
Seems like a good hotel and has a good deal for 3 nights. I just read in general info the PHP is a dangerous place . How safe it is compared to HCM. Personality wise, which girls are better. Vietnamese or Cambodian. I don't like the skinny ones nor the bulky one. I love good asses. I have to make this trip before this month end. Thanks for all the info.
Hi, I was there a few weeks back and I suggest that you don't compromise and try both. I have had good and bad lays from both so it is not a Vietnamese vs Cambodian thing, it is individual girls that are good or bad in bed like any country more or less. You will have a better chance of finding a full and rounded ass with Cambodian girls as Vietnamese usually have a flatter ass but their skin is whiter.
As for danger, I found the street in general far safer and less hassle that Bangkok or Saigon. No one other than the Tuk Tuk or motorbike taxies even talks to you. I felt very safe day and night but of coarse keep your eyes and ears open anywhere you travel.
I suggest that you sample everything and decide for yourself.
Best of luck
Blastoff
Thanks. Is this a proper gym or just some equipment outdoors?Not a really bigo one. Today I had a workout at Paddies Gymn (price 3 $), 50 meters away from the Japanese bridge. Big one with a kind of warehouse-atmosphere, good one.
If you go from the circle around the National Monument the road to Monivong after 150 meters there is a six floor building. In the fourth and fifth floor you can see people doing their workout on steppers eg. Seems quite western styled, but I"ve never been inside.
Hi There,
You will have a lot of fun in PP.
All hotels even cheap ones either have massage or will call a girl to your room for you for either massage, massage with a happy ending or full sex no problem.
If you are staying at a 5 Star hotel then you can afford to spend a little money and get much higher class girls from clubs and better establishments that Walkabout and Martini's. If you can afford to spend around USD$100 per day on drinks and high-class girls, you will have the time of your life in PP.
One of the best references to what is where is the local pocket book available free from many hotel lobbies and bookstores or on line. Here is the web site: www.cambodiapocketguide.com
There are 3 different guides available, the Dining & Drinking (which has the most information on bars etc) The Out and About which is great for travelling and the After Dark which is a little disappointing as more is covered in the Dining & Drinking.
Have fun.Hey Blastoff,
Thanks for the info and will report back if I find any high class fun in my short trip.
Dabeast.
That sounds ok to me. Presumably the rooms aren't so bad that one wouldn't be able to bring girls back!!My room comparison was based on Walkabout vs Flamingo only and Flamingo wins out completely as rooms/ place nicer and cleaner.
Walkabout is ok (if you can call it that) but still much nicer than the backpacker places I also stay in sometimes.
As to bringing girls back , don't worry, they practically encourge that at Walkabout and rooms here will still be much better than the rooms they live in at home.
I'll be in PP in a couple of weeks , staying at the Intercontinental - anyone give any advice as to opportunities around that area , or anything happening in hotel spa ?
Many thanks
You will have no problems at intercontinental book massage in your room and they will offer happy ending, also if you want a stunner ask concierge and he will get you the girls normally reserved for asian visitors.
Hi, I was there a few weeks back and I suggest that you don't compromise and try both. I have had good and bad lays from both so it is not a Vietnamese vs Cambodian thing, it is individual girls that are good or bad in bed like any country more or less. You will have a better chance of finding a full and rounded ass with Cambodian girls as Vietnamese usually have a flatter ass but their skin is whiter.
As for danger, I found the street in general far safer and less hassle that Bangkok or Saigon. No one other than the Tuk Tuk or motorbike taxies even talks to you. I felt very safe day and night but of coarse keep your eyes and ears open anywhere you travel.
I suggest that you sample everything and decide for yourself.
Best of luck
Blastoff
Totally agree. We just can't generalise things. Different girl has different service and not dependent of their race or country of origin.
I once had a Russian in Phnom Phen but service was really bad and I even suspected she was on drug as she stayed long time in the bathroom. I kicked her out mid night even though I paid for over night.
Sometimes it is just our luck!
Hi Lvr37,
Thanks for you comments. I am curious to hear how, when and where you found a Russian in PP. I know in the early 1990's there were a lot of Russians living there (that’s why the biggest market there is called the Russian market) but I did not see any Russian girls around last month.
Please tell this story here.
Best regards
Blastoff
Many thanks Cam Bodia for your advice on the Intercontinental. My 1st time there, and not wanting to overpay. What tip should I give the girl and concierge I guess!
Many thanks Cam Bodia for your advice on the Intercontinental. My 1st time there, and not wanting to overpay. What tip should I give the girl and concierge I guess!Just book a massage cost $25 to the hotel massage was the best I've had, after massage the girl offered f/s and the cost was $30
The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.
Hi Lvr37,
Thanks for you comments. I am curious to hear how, when and where you found a Russian in PP. I know in the early 1990's there were a lot of Russians living there (that’s why the biggest market there is called the Russian market) but I did not see any Russian girls around last month.
Please tell this story here.
Best regards
Blastoff
I was at a night club with a local guy. He was the one who talked me into trying out Russian. He called the mammy and two came over. They were not pretty, tall and skinny. I think it must be the Asian man's ego that I agreed to try. She has very small tits and you could feel bone everywhere! My friend who took the other girl also complained.
A month after I took her I heard she was staying with a man from Africa. He seems to provide her with everything. But that was way back in 2006. I have not heard of them.
If you are interested, you may try to as the mammy at any of the night clubs. They will sure to know where to get one for you if they still have them.
Is any body in PP at the moment it seem's very quiet thinking about going out in April, is Cyrcee and Martinis open.
Did Sophies ever reopen?
Please let us know, things were slowing down last march on our last visit.
When we read reports on here it just seems very quiet, most of the reports are regarding hotels and travel plans.
Martinis is open. Sophies is still closed, and doubt it will ever open again. Cyrcee's is open, but it's not the same as before. You have to take the girls off of the premises.
If you're coming in April, be aware that the Khmer New Year is April 13th, 14th, and 15th. Unless you're coming for that reason, I'd pick another time. Many businesses will be closed, and a lot of the girls will make trips to their provinces.
La Cyrcee is a "take-out" establishment now as Roguesta reported. Decent number of girls (decent looking as well).
In case anyone wants to know the current asking prices :
$15 (for girl) + $5 (bf) + $7 (room around the corner) = $27.00
Dropped by Rosies (104) bar 2 nights ago. Lots of girls swarming around, some of them were really good looking. Not too much sausage when I stopped by so odds were real nice. Had a whole table of them to myself. Its a fun place, minimal pressure to take or buy lady drinks. 104 as a whole seemed to be a whole lot less crowded than I remember. Must be the hard economy. I stayed abour 2 hours, bought rounds for the giggling girls around me, bill at the end (for drinks only) was less than $30. 00.
Interesting how two people can be in the same bar on the same night and have totally different opinions. I actually find there to be more pressure to buy lady drinks at Rose Bar than anywhere in town--but it is somewhat subtle. Basically, if you don't buy a drink quickly, the girl(s) will just wander away.
The location that housed Sophies is now occupied. Not sure if it is some kind of business, or a house like it was before Sophies opened. Either way, I think we can assume Sophies is gone forever.
The asking price in Cyrcee is probably going to be $20 if you are not a regular, but as Localboy said, the correct price to pay is $15. There are some lookers there, and the owner is quite a nice guy, but $27 is just too much to pay in this town for ST IMO. However, if you are here for a short trip, and especially if you are the kind of guy who does multiple girls in a day, then it may well be a good option.
Every single girl I have asked in the last week said she was going home to the province for Khmer New Year. If I keep getting the same answer, I think I will be leaving town that week. This is going to be one boring place.
J
The concierge girls are more expensive than others normally $100 but they are far superior to the standard martini or heart of darkness girls.
Girls are viet, cambo, or chinese?
[quote=hippie]interesting how two people can be in the same bar on the same night and have totally different opinions. i actually find there to be more pressure to buy lady drinks at rose bar than anywhere in town--but it is somewhat subtle. basically, if you don't buy a drink quickly, the girl (s) will just wander away.
haha. you are absolutely correct! i spend too much time in thailand & pi. the girls there pressure you (vocally) for drinks. usually within a few microseconds after you sit down. i wish they would take some notes from the rose girls and "wander away".
stopped by 136 (pussycat) last night. watched a old european guy get upset because the girl that "promised to marry him" earlier in the day, was sitting (and making out) with another guy. he didn't get mad at the guy (spent most of the time yelling at the girl), although he did kind of slap him (the guy was younger, larger, but obviously had good temper management).
old man left to sulk and eventually found another "wife candidate" in the same bar, girl left (probably felt humiliated), and the innocent guy sat there for an hour or so before he left.
anyway, after the fuss, the owner came in (who is the same girl that owns rosies on 104) with a few friends. i guess it was her birthday or something so they got up on the bar and started dancing. fun bar. not bad looking girls (not as nice as rosies, but a couple of cuties). watching the owner dance on the bar (she has huge breasts) was very entertaining.
i bounced around the little bars around the area, accidently discoverd (and quickly departed from) the lady-boy bar next to pussycat. (sorry, i didn't get the name of the place, i was too busy leaving).
i enjoyed my stay in cambodia. its refreshing from the high-speed, high-pressure atmosphere of thailand (cowboy & nana) and pi (makati/ermita). the girls are friendly and prices are great ($27 is unreal low. i am jealous of you guys that live here). reminds me of pi 15 years ago.
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If you're coming in April, be aware that the Khmer New Year is April 13th, 14th, and 15th. Unless you're coming for that reason, I'd pick another time. Many businesses will be closed, and a lot of the girls will make trips to their provinces.I will be in Bangkok at easter and was looking forward to going to Phnom Penh for a few days. Guess it won't be so much fun. Would it be better to visit on, say, the 10th or the 19th or will it also be dead then?
Aussie Fella
03-23-09, 15:20
I bounced around the little bars around the area, accidently discoverd (and quickly departed from) the lady-boy bar next to Pussycat. (sorry, I didn't get the name of the place, I was too busy leaving).Ha ha ha.
I vote for this as funniest anecdote so far in 2009!
Thanks for giving me a good laugh.
I will be in Bangkok at easter and was looking forward to going to Phnom Penh for a few days. Guess it won't be so much fun. Would it be better to visit on, say, the 10th or the 19th or will it also be dead then?
I would think either will be OK, but especially the 19th. The girls I have asked are only going to be gone 2-5 days.
Bartchamdo
03-26-09, 11:44
Paris Hotel is now charging $6 for a 1 hr massage and $11 for 2 hrs. Not having ever visited before and not having read reports from any ISG members who have visited, I was unsure what the going rate was for extras. The 3rd floor fishbowl was pretty busy at around 4pm, with perhaps 20 or 30 ladies.
I picked one out who the mamasan told me had good English and we went to our room together on the 4th floor. Her first action was to turn on the TV and turn the channel til she found a football game. I asked her to turn it off, and to her credit she did. Then she asked me to strip and we negotiated for extras. I told her I was only interested in a HJ, not BJ or FS. She quoted me $50. This put a sour taste in my mouth from the beginning. This girl's first impulse is to watch TV and charge me $50 for extras on top of a $6 charge for the massage? She wanted this much for a few minutes work in a country where most people make around $50 / month? This seemed insane, and I felt the experience wasn't going to be a good one, so I left. She tried to lower the price - $30, then $20, then at the last minute she desperately cried out "$10!", but by that time I was already half out the door and was convinced this wasn't going to be a fun experience. I was in the room less than 5 minutes and left without being charged for anything.
Later the same day I noticed Paradis massage on 136 Street. It's not hard to find. It's maybe 3 or 4 blocks away from the river, and has a huge sign up top promoting it. It looks like it used to be a movie theater. Fishbowl was smaller than Hotel Paris, with around 15 girls. Unfortunately no one seemed to speak any English except one guy who helped me translate with the lady I selected. The price we negotiated came out to a few dollars for the massage (I forget - around $5) and $10 for HJ. I would have gone with this, except the lady looked really uncomfortable. She didn't respond when I gave her a friendly wave. This didn't seem like it would be a good time, so I declined and left.
Both of these places have potential if I would have chosen a different girl and/or been more familiar with the town and the language. Call it a learning experience. At least saying "No" is free.
Paris Hotel is now charging $6 for a 1 hr massage and $11 for 2 hrs. Not having ever visited before and not having read reports from any ISG members who have visited, I was unsure what the going rate was for extras. The 3rd floor fishbowl was pretty busy at around 4pm, with perhaps 20 or 30 ladies.
I picked one out who the mamasan told me had good English and we went to our room together on the 4th floor. Her first action was to turn on the TV and turn the channel til she found a football game. I asked her to turn it off, and to her credit she did. Then she asked me to strip and we negotiated for extras. I told her I was only interested in a HJ, not BJ or FS. She quoted me $50. This put a sour taste in my mouth from the beginning. This girl's first impulse is to watch TV and charge me $50 for extras on top of a $6 charge for the massage? She wanted this much for a few minutes work in a country where most people make around $50 / month? This seemed insane, and I felt the experience wasn't going to be a good one, so I left. She tried to lower the price - $30, then $20, then at the last minute she desperately cried out "$10!", but by that time I was already half out the door and was convinced this wasn't going to be a fun experience. I was in the room less than 5 minutes and left without being charged for anything.
Later the same day I noticed Paradis massage on 136 Street. It's not hard to find. It's maybe 3 or 4 blocks away from the river, and has a huge sign up top promoting it. It looks like it used to be a movie theater. Fishbowl was smaller than Hotel Paris, with around 15 girls. Unfortunately no one seemed to speak any English except one guy who helped me translate with the lady I selected. The price we negotiated came out to a few dollars for the massage (I forget - around $5) and $10 for HJ. I would have gone with this, except the lady looked really uncomfortable. She didn't respond when I gave her a friendly wave. This didn't seem like it would be a good time, so I declined and left.
Both of these places have potential if I would have chosen a different girl and/or been more familiar with the town and the language. Call it a learning experience. At least saying "No" is free.
Hello,
I can relate to this and can give you my view on why I feel this happens sometimes especially when the girl gives you no reactions when u smile or wave. Many of the girls in fish bowls, especially the ones from Vietnam are not there completely of their own free will. Many are tricked into coming there from their villages with the promise of working as a house girl etc. Once they arrive they find themselves owing the organizers of their trip a lot of money and no job. They are then forced and intimidated into the sex trade to pay their debit but they really don't want to be there. These kind of girls speak no English and looks terrified as you look at them or choose them. You can't expect good service from a girl in this position and unfortunately for them, much of Asia has this problem of tricking girls into being sex workers. The best service is always from a willing participant.
The $50 girl you mentioned, well that is the "wish price" for girls in Cambodia and as you were new she tried it on you. Anywhere between $5 to $20 for extras depending on the class of the establishment you got them from and how hot looking she is is the right price.
Hope this helps you understand a little better how things work there.
Happy Hunting.
AncntFornicatr
03-29-09, 11:07
Does anybody know how to contact Sovann Mee, the driver. I used him last year and he did a great job. I did a search on the site but didn't get anything newer than a couple of years ago.
Last year he was hurting for money so he may have quit. I will be in PP in a few days and would like to hire him again.
AF
does anybody know how to contact sovann mee, the driver.
banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system. this pm is one of several similar pms that were forwarded to me by forum members.
Does anybody know how to contact Sovann Mee, the driver. I used him last year and he did a great job. I did a search on the site but didn't get anything newer than a couple of years ago.
Last year he was hurting for money so he may have quit. I will be in PP in a few days and would like to hire him again.
AF
Chhoeun Sovann, not the same as Sovan Mee, is an excellent driver and knows his way around town. Recommend you give him a try.
http://phnompenhdriver.com/
Can any body tell me is this still open, the posts for PP are very quiet, the girls must be having a really hard time, we are thinking of visiting in two weeks but we don't want to go if it's so quiet we will just stay in Thailand.
What's going on please let us know.
AncntFornicatr
03-30-09, 08:35
banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system.
thanks for the heads up. if you tried to include a pm it didn't make it. i never had that problem as we would go out into the countryside as opposed to mongering. i don't need a driver for that in pp.
Can any body tell me is this still open, the posts for PP are very quiet, the girls must be having a really hard time, we are thinking of visiting in two weeks but we don't want to go if it's so quiet we will just stay in Thailand.
What's going on please let us know.
I was there about 5 weeks aback and it was open and pumping with action every night.
Enjoy.
Blastoff
Member #4698
03-31-09, 00:56
Night 1:
Arrived on an early morning flight from Siem Reap. After I checked in at my hotel I got a tuk tuk driver (who became my personal driver day and night) and checked out the main tourist stuff – National Museum (must see), Royal Palace (nice but not as good as Bkk) and Silver Pagoda (ditto). It gets real hot in Phnom Penh, so around 3pm I had had enough and relaxed by the hotel pool with a mango smoothie.
Around 7pm I went off for a nice dinner a Khmer Borane. It’s a nice restaurant with good local food on the riverfront. Over dinner I mapped my strategy and decided I would begin my night time diversions on 104 St. My tuk tuk guy dropped me off around 9pm and I told him to wait for me at the end of the street. I walked the up & and down 104st checking out the 10 – 20 bars. I looked in at onezerofour bar and saw only girls. They seemed friendly enough but since it was my first night in town, I preferred a bar with some other gringos in it.
I walked into Zanzibar a few doors down. A pretty bartendress greeted me with a big smile and I remember thinking she wouldn’t be bad to take home. Some other girls approached me but I shooed them away. I like to get the lay of the land before I commit to anything. Two other customers sat at the bar with 2-3 girls attending to their needs. I got a beer and sat down at a table against the wall to check the place out. Zanzibar is a small cozy bar. There must have been around 20 hostess girls and 70’s rock was playing not too loud on the speakers. I liked the place from the get go. I saw one girl I thought was pretty and asked her if I could buy her a drink. She sat down and we talked the usual talk. Her girlfriend approached and she wasn’t too bad either so I offered her a drink as well. After a while the pretty girl asks me if I would like to see her perform a temple dance. I said sure so both girls got up and started their little temple dance right in front of me, you know, with the hand and face movement. This was so cute and charming. I thought, so this is the Cambodian version of a geisha girl entertaining her client. It was really fetching. Then over at the bar 3 other girls got on top of the bar and started temple dancing for their customers. Now compare this to the bullshit movie “Coyote Ugly”, where in the movie the babes dance aggressively on the bar while 100 horney, frustrated men go nuts. The men in the movie can’t touch the girls let alone lay them. And that is what Hollywood thinks is sexy. I think it is uptight and repressive. I thought how lucky I was to be in Phnom Penh.
As I was finishing my beer, I asked the pretty girl, Tar, if we could go somewhere to be alone. She said sure. I asked how much. She said $20. Getty up! The hotel was very close by and clean. We started kissing and undressing and ended up in the shower. In the shower she gave me the usual dick, balls, ass cleaning while I kissed her, washed her pretty little tities and bumped her with my now hard cock. We dried off and continued the action in the bed. Lottsa of kissing and hugging followed up with a bare bj. I knew it wasn’t going to be long before I came, so I told Tar to put the condom on. Then we started to fuck. Tar was real sweet and her pussy felt fine. After I came we continued to cuddle. I suggested we take another shower. All clean and back in bed, Tar started to massage my feet, and then started working her way up my legs. When she got to the crotch, she gave me another blow job. Real nice! And this time she got on top. The 2nd lay was a lot longer than the first, and I let her do most of the work. I liked watching this pretty little Khmer girl go up and down on my dick. She had small round breasts. I sat up while still inside her and started kissing and fondling those pretty little breasts. It was a very nice affectionate lay. I am not naive or anything but it felt real good and real tender. A GFE moment.
The night before I had a pretty wild time at Sak San in Siem Reap (3 showers, 3 naked bj’s and 3 fucks) so even though this girl was delightful and more than willing to keep it going, we snuggled after the 2nd time and I suggested we go back to the bar. So arm in arm we made our way back to Zanzibar. When we walked in, all the girls welcomed us back, jubilantly. It was charming and I felt totally at home in this place. I bought some drinks for Tar, myself, her girlfriend, and the smiling cute bartendress. My girl stayed close to me the rest of the evening hugging me and occasionally touching my crouch. Around 12:30 I kissed her goodbye and a little reluctantly left. I told Tar she was a really nice girl, I really liked her, and I would see her again. We kissed. Oh yeah, back at the hotel I gave her a $8 tip.
Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver. He was sleeping in his vehicle. I woke him up saying “a fine kettle of fish. Sleeping on the job again.” He asked me where I wanted to go. I thought about it a minute and said let’s go to Martini’s. So off we went to the other side of town. It’s not that I wanted more action. It was just that I was on a natural high and did not want to go back to the hotel and sleep.
We got to Martini’s around 1am. As I entered the guy at the front door padded me down. I guess some gringos come to Martini’s with weapons. Anyway, I entered the club. They have a large garden area with lots of tables and there was an interesting mix of people – local dudes, gringos and girls. No one hit on me, so I after I got a beer I walked around the place, checking things out. There were a couple of tables with 3-4 girls sitting alone together. I noticed a tall skinny girl standing alone and guessed she was Vietnamese. (Actually it was obvious she wasn’t a Khmer girl). I asked her if she wanted a drink. She said yes so we sat down together. She had a nice personality, but I soon realized she was not my type. TOO THIN!!! She had ordered dinner before I approached her, so when the waiter brought it, I stayed and continued our conversation for a little bit, but then got up and excused myself. I said I was tired and maybe we would see each other another night.
I walked around the garden another time and checked out the disco. The disco was pitch black except for an occasional strobe light effect. The music was loud techno crap and I saw a lot of couples dancing to it. I could see that there were also some single girls in there, but it was impossible to tell if they were pretty or not. I lasted about 2 minutes before I left. Back outside in the beer garden, I walked around the area to see if there was any talent I might be interested in for the next night. Nobody really stood out, but I think I saw a couple girls that might be condom worthy. The 2nd time I walked around the area, some of the girls sitting at the tables started to show signs that they noticed me. It was around 1:45 so I left. I found my loyal tuk tuk guy waiting for me and I said let’s go to back to my hotel.
All in all it was a great evening. Zanzibar was a small, intimate, cozy bar where everybody made me feel right at home. In fact home was never as good as Zanzibar. Very Very Nice Girls. Martini’s was a much larger place and I have nothing bad to say about it except that it’s a long way to go and the disco kind of sucked. But the beer garden was fine and if I had sufficient “power” left, I am sure I could have hooked up with a nice Khmer girl.
Conclusion Zanzibar:
Ambiance 9.5 – a great little bar. I loved the temple dancing, sweet, little girls.
Selection of girls 8 – they had what I was looking for in little Tar.
Tar – a real lovely little girl. 22 years old. Face 8. Body 8. Sex 9. I had I real friendly, lovely time with her. As I dozed off into dreamland back at my hotel, I wondered if I would find the time to get back to Zanzibar. I knew I wanted to, but I only had 3 more nights. I had not checked out any of the other bars on 104 St. let alone the scene on Pasteur St.
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Member #4698
04-05-09, 03:21
Night 2:
I started the day with with usual tourist stuff: breakfast at a French coffee shop on 240st, a visit to Wat Phnom, and then a friendly visit to Boeng Kak Lake (little Amsterdam). After Boeng Kak Lake, I wandered around the river front and had lunch. By 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I retired to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.
After a good dinner at Khmer Surin, I decided to return to 104st. It would have been a no brainer to go back to Zanzibar and hook up with the delightful Tar, but where is the adventure in that? So I decided to try out a different bar first and keep Zanzibar as a backup. So it was around 8:30 when I walked into Rose Bar directly opposite Zanzibar. Rose Bar is very similar to Zanzibar only slightly bigger. They have a pool room in the back and a couple of rooms on the 2nd floor. I sat down at the bar, got a beer, and looked around the place. Sitting at a table against the wall was a cute little girl with her hair combed back tight against her head. She looked good and I was about to make a move when a very pretty girl walked past me towards the pool room and broke my concentration. I drank my beer and decided to check out the pool room. As I entered the pool room, pretty girl was sitting alone at a table and 2 other attractive girls where playing pool. One of the girls asked if I wanted to play pool. I said I would prefer to just watch.
I smiled over at pretty girl, but she did not smile back! “That’s strange,” I thought, and I did not approach her. A few minutes passed by as I drank my beer and watched the girls play pool. The cute girl with the combed back hair came into the room and gave me a real friendly smile, so I asked her to sit down and have a drink. The cute girl’s name was Tava. She could not have weighed more than 87lbs. We started talking and I liked her. Occasionally, I glanced over at pretty girl who was sitting alone. I asked Tava what was up with pretty girl and Tava said “Oh, she doesn’t speak English and she is shy.” So I asked Tava to ask pretty girl if she wanted to join us and have a drink. Pretty girl’s face broke out into a big smile when Tava relayed my invitation, and pretty girl came over to my table.
So things were progressing nicely, but I could not decide on which girl to get it on with. Pretty girl was a looker (face = 8), but she spoke no English and seemed a little reserve. Tava on the other hand was very attractive and had a great personality. So Tava seemed like the way to go, but then it hit me, why not ask both girls out. Ménage à trois! Tava liked the idea and pretty girl gave me another smile when she understood my invitation. But first things first: I asked Tava how much she would want for this arrangement. Tava said “whatever I thought was right,” but pretty girl insisted on $25. I told pretty girl $20 was the going rate, but she would not budge. Now this was a “tell”, a sign that something was not quite right with pretty girl. But I was sold on the ménage idea and I did not want to kill the mood by haggling over $5. In retrospect, I probably should have told pretty girl to forget it and left with Tava. But then I would not have this story to tell and the evening would have turned out completely different.
Tava said we could go to a hotel close by or go upstairs. The room upstairs was a couple dollars more and since I was already in for $50, I said let’s splurge and go upstairs. Walking up the stairs I was really looking forward to this and thought I would ravage pretty girl first and then take turns going back and forth between both girls. But in the room, the situation completely changed in an unpredictable yet enjoyable way. Tava and I started taking our clothes off right away, but pretty girl undressed very slowly. Tava and I jumped into the shower and I was amazed by her perfect little body! In her size and weight class, Tava was a 9.5 with perfect little “A” cup tittes, perfectly proportioned ass, and absolutely no body fat. I fell in love with her little body! We started the soapy shower massage thing. She soaped me up and washed my dick, balls and ass while I washed her breasts and, kissed her all over. But where the hell was pretty girl? I jumped out of the shower went into the bedroom with my erection leading the way. Pretty girl was still dawdling about. I said “come on girl, let’s get going, we’re having a good time in the shower.” Then I rejoined Tava and forgot about pretty girl. All clean and ready for love, Tava and I dried off and got on the bed. That’s when pretty girl went into the bathroom to take a shower. But I did not care. Tava and I made out pretty passionately for a while until she moved down and gave me a naked bj.
At this point, pretty girl joined us on the bed wrapped up in a towel. I sat up and started kissing pretty girl and said we don’t need this anymore, referring to the towel as I removed it. Then surprise, surprise! Pretty girl had lousy tits. I mean real saggy ones with brown nipples. Ugh! Her tits were around a 3 and that is being kind. But she was a good kisser and Tava was still blowing me, so what the hell. Soon I felt that things were going to erupt so I told Tava to put the condom on. Then I kissed Tava and rolled her over on her back and after a little preliminary kissing began to enter her pussy. Her pussy was fantastic, a perfect fit. It was tight and yet soft at the same time. I rate her pussy a 9.5.
We were only beginning to get it on when pretty girl climbed on top of me and started humping me. Pretty girl was the locomotion, I was the cream filling, and Tava was the object of my desire. When pretty girl pressed down on me, I went deep into Tava. When pretty girl let up, I moved partially out of Tava. Pretty girl set the pace. I don’t know how long this went on – 10 to 15 minutes I guess, when I decided it was now pretty girl’s turn to get some. I pulled out of Tava and told pretty girl to lie down. Pretty girl lied down, but when I started to mount her, she objected. She told Tava that in order for me to fuck her I had to change condoms. I laughed and said “you gotta be kidding. We don’t need to change condoms. You guys are sisters. One condom is fine.” But pretty girl would not give in. Now as everybody who is reading this report knows, pulling a condom off an erect penis is no laughing matter. So I told pretty girl to forget it and jumped back into Tava (which is where I wanted to be anyway). Pretty girl then got back on me and we continued our Cambodian Oreo cookie.
Eventually I exploded and rolled over on my side. Tava and I started kissing and pretty girl lay down on my other side, kissing my neck and shoulders. Tava cleaned me up and started massaging my dick. I started kissing pretty girl, but avoided her tits. And Lord above, it was not too long before I started to get hard again. Tava and I ran back into the shower to get all clean while pretty girl stayed behind. When we came out both girls dried me off and now pretty girl started to give some decent uncovered head. Soon I told her to put on a fresh condom and I started fucking pretty girl sidewinder style so that I was on a diagonal and could kiss Tava and her beautiful little breasts at the same time. In all fairness, pretty girl was not a bad lay. Once we got going, her attitude was ok and her pussy was fine. She could not help it if she had lousy tits, probably the result of nursing a kid or two. Thing was, she knew she had bad tits. That’s why she was shy about getting in the shower with us. And that’s why she wanted $25 not $20. She knew from bitter experience, that once a guy saw those hooters, tips were far and few between and repeat business nonexistent. So the $25 was like a standard charge plus an upfront tip. It was a little disingenuous on her part, but what’s a working girl supposed to do? I wasn’t too put out by it. If I hadn’t agreed to it I would have regretted not doing her. At least this way – no regrets.
After my 2nd orgasm, I layed on my back and fairly well spent. But both girls were not through with me yet. They started to massage my feet. Pretty girl started with my left foot, Tava with my right foot. Slowly, both girls worked their way up my legs till they got to my cock. Tava and I took another little shower and then she went down on me again. I was now ready for round #3. This time Tava got on top and slowly inserted my cock into her little hole. It was great! Meanwhile pretty girl lay alongside me and started kissing my nipples, neck, and ear. I don’t know how much time elapsed. I was unaware of time. But eventually I came and together all three of us lay side by side exhausted.
Like ALL my other Cambodian experiences, it was me, not the girl(s) who finally called it a night. I was definitely out of “power.” We slowly dressed and I asked just for fun how much the girls really wanted. Pretty girl repeated she wanted $25, Tava again said she whatever I thought was right. I gave both of them $25 and then as we left the room I held Tava back and gave her an extra $8. She smiled and gave me a very passionate kiss.
Downstairs I bought the girls a round of drinks. Tava leaned up close. Occasionally we kissed and she would rub my groin. Pretty girl sat opposite us and smiled. The bartendress put a Shakira concert video in the DVD player and it was charming to see all the girls in the bar stop what they were doing transfixed by the video. I asked Tava if she could dance like Shakira. She blushed and said no way. Her modesty in reaction to my question is one of the reasons why Cambodian girls are so appealing. I mean come on! This girl just blew me twice, fucked the daylights out of me twice, and participated in a three way and she is slightly embarrassed when I ask if she can shake her hips in sexually provocative way. I love Cambodian women.
It was around midnight when I decided to leave. I told Tava I really liked her and I wanted to see her again, alone. Tava said she thought that would be better, but told me she was going to see her mother or something and would not be in the bar the next night. That was fine with me, because I figured I really needed to check out 51st . I only had 2 nights left in Phnom Phen. I kissed both girls goodnight and left. Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver waiting for me at the corner. As I got in, he asked “Martini’s?” I laughed and said no. Tonight I was really tired. “Take me to my hotel,” I said.
Conclusion Rose Bar:
Ambiance 9.5 – another great little 104st bar. Pool room is a plus. The room upstairs is large and clean.
Selection of girls 8 – Many good looking girls.
Tava – a great little girl. 21 years old. Face 7.5. Body 9.5. Sex 9.5. I told her the truth when I said I really wanted to see her again, alone.
Pretty Girl – Face 8. She really was pretty. Body: I would have to break it down like this, Tits 3, everything else 6. She was a little disingenuous upfront, but she performed satisfactorily when we got down to the act itself. Bottom line, I would not do her again, but we remained on friendly terms. I would have liked going back and forth between the girls with one condom, but pretty girl said no. Another girl might have said yes. I had a great time anyway.
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Happy Lenny
04-07-09, 23:13
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=11.5695703&lon=104.9239182&z=16&l=0&m=a&v=2
Anyone know of anyother site with good maps of the city?
Happy Lenny
04-07-09, 23:14
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=11.5695703&lon=104.9239182&z=16&l=0&m=a&v=2
Sorry , I think last link was a mis paste, the one above is correct.
Is this Tar, Nice girl!
But has a meth head english boyfriend! Darren!
AncntFornicatr
04-12-09, 10:37
Back in PP again and enjoying the Flamingo as usual. Will post some photos when i get back.
In the mean time I was walking up Street 154 toward Norodom and got propositioned by a guy asking me inside his brothel. Around 20 girls, they all looked like they were probably19 to 25. Pick your favorite and go upstairs for $10. Some of the girls would rate an 8 in looks. When I asked about yumyum he had to go in the back room and come out with a 6 or 7 who was the specialist. She said BBBJCIM was fine.
I declined as I had a meeting on the River and said I would come back later.
Last year I did have a pleasant experience in a brother where the upstairs room was pretty clean and did not provide an opportunity for a search of my clothes. Ten bucks and a happy customer. Unfortunately I can't remember where it was.
I would be interested in any comments on other experiences and locations and how many guys got ripped off and how many just had a pleasant jump. There are a lot of stories about OTHER guys getting ripped and I wonder if they are all real.
I will look for your response.
AF
Back in PP again and enjoying the Flamingo as usual. Will post some photos when I get back.
In the mean time I was walking up Street 154 toward Norodom and got propositioned by a guy asking me inside his brothel. Around 20 girls, they all looked like they were probably19 to 25. Pick your favorite and go upstairs for $10. Some of the girls would rate an 8 in looks. When I asked about yumyum he had to go in the back room and come out with a 6 or 7 who was the specialist. She said BBBJCIM was fine.
I declined as I had a meeting on the River and said I would come back later. Last year I did have a pleasant experience in a brother where the upstairs room was pretty clean and did not provide an opportunity for a search of my clothes. Ten bucks and a happy customer. Unfortunately I can't remember where it was.
I would be interested in any comments on other experiences and locations and how many guys got ripped off and how many just had a pleasant jump. There are a lot of stories about OTHER guys getting ripped and I wonder if they are all real. I will look for your response.
AFTry by yourself and you will have the answer.
Personaly in 7 years I never get rip off in Cambodian brothels, but I have some friends that live in phnom penh, from untac period, they speak khmer and it was happened to them to be rip off in local brothels. And I can tell you they are not liars.
Night 2:
I started the day with with usual tourist stuff: breakfast at a French coffee shop on 240st, a visit to Wat Phnom, and then a friendly visit to Boeng Kak Lake (little Amsterdam). After Boeng Kak Lake, I wandered around the river front and had lunch. By 3pm I was soaked with perspiration and a little tired so I retired to the hotel swimming pool to cool down and rest up for the night time action.
After a good dinner at Khmer Surin, I decided to return to 104st. It would have been a no brainer to go back to Zanzibar and hook up with the delightful Tar, but where is the adventure in that? So I decided to try out a different bar first and keep Zanzibar as a backup. So it was around 8:30 when I walked into Rose Bar directly opposite Zanzibar. Rose Bar is very similar to Zanzibar only slightly bigger. They have a pool room in the back and a couple of rooms on the 2nd floor. I sat down at the bar, got a beer, and looked around the place. Sitting at a table against the wall was a cute little girl with her hair combed back tight against her head. She looked good and I was about to make a move when a very pretty girl walked past me towards the pool room and broke my concentration. I drank my beer and decided to check out the pool room. As I entered the pool room, pretty girl was sitting alone at a table and 2 other attractive girls where playing pool. One of the girls asked if I wanted to play pool. I said I would prefer to just watch.
I smiled over at pretty girl, but she did not smile back! “That’s strange,” I thought, and I did not approach her. A few minutes passed by as I drank my beer and watched the girls play pool. The cute girl with the combed back hair came into the room and gave me a real friendly smile, so I asked her to sit down and have a drink. The cute girl’s name was Tava. She could not have weighed more than 87lbs. We started talking and I liked her. Occasionally, I glanced over at pretty girl who was sitting alone. I asked Tava what was up with pretty girl and Tava said “Oh, she doesn’t speak English and she is shy.” So I asked Tava to ask pretty girl if she wanted to join us and have a drink. Pretty girl’s face broke out into a big smile when Tava relayed my invitation, and pretty girl came over to my table.
So things were progressing nicely, but I could not decide on which girl to get it on with. Pretty girl was a looker (face = 8), but she spoke no English and seemed a little reserve. Tava on the other hand was very attractive and had a great personality. So Tava seemed like the way to go, but then it hit me, why not ask both girls out. Ménage à trois! Tava liked the idea and pretty girl gave me another smile when she understood my invitation. But first things first: I asked Tava how much she would want for this arrangement. Tava said “whatever I thought was right,” but pretty girl insisted on $25. I told pretty girl $20 was the going rate, but she would not budge. Now this was a “tell”, a sign that something was not quite right with pretty girl. But I was sold on the ménage idea and I did not want to kill the mood by haggling over $5. In retrospect, I probably should have told pretty girl to forget it and left with Tava. But then I would not have this story to tell and the evening would have turned out completely different.
Tava said we could go to a hotel close by or go upstairs. The room upstairs was a couple dollars more and since I was already in for $50, I said let’s splurge and go upstairs. Walking up the stairs I was really looking forward to this and thought I would ravage pretty girl first and then take turns going back and forth between both girls. But in the room, the situation completely changed in an unpredictable yet enjoyable way. Tava and I started taking our clothes off right away, but pretty girl undressed very slowly. Tava and I jumped into the shower and I was amazed by her perfect little body! In her size and weight class, Tava was a 9.5 with perfect little “A” cup tittes, perfectly proportioned ass, and absolutely no body fat. I fell in love with her little body! We started the soapy shower massage thing. She soaped me up and washed my dick, balls and ass while I washed her breasts and, kissed her all over. But where the hell was pretty girl? I jumped out of the shower went into the bedroom with my erection leading the way. Pretty girl was still dawdling about. I said “come on girl, let’s get going, we’re having a good time in the shower.” Then I rejoined Tava and forgot about pretty girl. All clean and ready for love, Tava and I dried off and got on the bed. That’s when pretty girl went into the bathroom to take a shower. But I did not care. Tava and I made out pretty passionately for a while until she moved down and gave me a naked bj.
At this point, pretty girl joined us on the bed wrapped up in a towel. I sat up and started kissing pretty girl and said we don’t need this anymore, referring to the towel as I removed it. Then surprise, surprise! Pretty girl had lousy tits. I mean real saggy ones with brown nipples. Ugh! Her tits were around a 3 and that is being kind. But she was a good kisser and Tava was still blowing me, so what the hell. Soon I felt that things were going to erupt so I told Tava to put the condom on. Then I kissed Tava and rolled her over on her back and after a little preliminary kissing began to enter her pussy. Her pussy was fantastic, a perfect fit. It was tight and yet soft at the same time. I rate her pussy a 9.5.
We were only beginning to get it on when pretty girl climbed on top of me and started humping me. Pretty girl was the locomotion, I was the cream filling, and Tava was the object of my desire. When pretty girl pressed down on me, I went deep into Tava. When pretty girl let up, I moved partially out of Tava. Pretty girl set the pace. I don’t know how long this went on – 10 to 15 minutes I guess, when I decided it was now pretty girl’s turn to get some. I pulled out of Tava and told pretty girl to lie down. Pretty girl lied down, but when I started to mount her, she objected. She told Tava that in order for me to fuck her I had to change condoms. I laughed and said “you gotta be kidding. We don’t need to change condoms. You guys are sisters. One condom is fine.” But pretty girl would not give in. Now as everybody who is reading this report knows, pulling a condom off an erect penis is no laughing matter. So I told pretty girl to forget it and jumped back into Tava (which is where I wanted to be anyway). Pretty girl then got back on me and we continued our Cambodian Oreo cookie.
Eventually I exploded and rolled over on my side. Tava and I started kissing and pretty girl lay down on my other side, kissing my neck and shoulders. Tava cleaned me up and started massaging my dick. I started kissing pretty girl, but avoided her tits. And Lord above, it was not too long before I started to get hard again. Tava and I ran back into the shower to get all clean while pretty girl stayed behind. When we came out both girls dried me off and now pretty girl started to give some decent uncovered head. Soon I told her to put on a fresh condom and I started fucking pretty girl sidewinder style so that I was on a diagonal and could kiss Tava and her beautiful little breasts at the same time. In all fairness, pretty girl was not a bad lay. Once we got going, her attitude was ok and her pussy was fine. She could not help it if she had lousy tits, probably the result of nursing a kid or two. Thing was, she knew she had bad tits. That’s why she was shy about getting in the shower with us. And that’s why she wanted $25 not $20. She knew from bitter experience, that once a guy saw those hooters, tips were far and few between and repeat business nonexistent. So the $25 was like a standard charge plus an upfront tip. It was a little disingenuous on her part, but what’s a working girl supposed to do? I wasn’t too put out by it. If I hadn’t agreed to it I would have regretted not doing her. At least this way – no regrets.
After my 2nd orgasm, I layed on my back and fairly well spent. But both girls were not through with me yet. They started to massage my feet. Pretty girl started with my left foot, Tava with my right foot. Slowly, both girls worked their way up my legs till they got to my cock. Tava and I took another little shower and then she went down on me again. I was now ready for round #3. This time Tava got on top and slowly inserted my cock into her little hole. It was great! Meanwhile pretty girl lay alongside me and started kissing my nipples, neck, and ear. I don’t know how much time elapsed. I was unaware of time. But eventually I came and together all three of us lay side by side exhausted.
Like ALL my other Cambodian experiences, it was me, not the girl(s) who finally called it a night. I was definitely out of “power.” We slowly dressed and I asked just for fun how much the girls really wanted. Pretty girl repeated she wanted $25, Tava again said she whatever I thought was right. I gave both of them $25 and then as we left the room I held Tava back and gave her an extra $8. She smiled and gave me a very passionate kiss.
Downstairs I bought the girls a round of drinks. Tava leaned up close. Occasionally we kissed and she would rub my groin. Pretty girl sat opposite us and smiled. The bartendress put a Shakira concert video in the DVD player and it was charming to see all the girls in the bar stop what they were doing transfixed by the video. I asked Tava if she could dance like Shakira. She blushed and said no way. Her modesty in reaction to my question is one of the reasons why Cambodian girls are so appealing. I mean come on! This girl just blew me twice, fucked the daylights out of me twice, and participated in a three way and she is slightly embarrassed when I ask if she can shake her hips in sexually provocative way. I love Cambodian women.
It was around midnight when I decided to leave. I told Tava I really liked her and I wanted to see her again, alone. Tava said she thought that would be better, but told me she was going to see her mother or something and would not be in the bar the next night. That was fine with me, because I figured I really needed to check out 51st . I only had 2 nights left in Phnom Phen. I kissed both girls goodnight and left. Outside I found my trusted tuk tuk driver waiting for me at the corner. As I got in, he asked “Martini’s?” I laughed and said no. Tonight I was really tired. “Take me to my hotel,” I said.
Conclusion Rose Bar:
Ambiance 9.5 – another great little 104st bar. Pool room is a plus. The room upstairs is large and clean.
Selection of girls 8 – Many good looking girls.
Tava – a great little girl. 21 years old. Face 7.5. Body 9.5. Sex 9.5. I told her the truth when I said I really wanted to see her again, alone.
Pretty Girl – Face 8. She really was pretty. Body: I would have to break it down like this, Tits 3, everything else 6. She was a little disingenuous upfront, but she performed satisfactorily when we got down to the act itself. Bottom line, I would not do her again, but we remained on friendly terms. I would have liked going back and forth between the girls with one condom, but pretty girl said no. Another girl might have said yes. I had a great time anyway.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.This truly is a masterful report and a pleasure to read. You should take the advice of the travel channel and have your own travel show!
It is stuff like this that makes our hobbie so enjoyable and makes those of us sitting at home in the "civilized" world say "why the fuck am i here and not in ASIA!!!!"
The only thing that could make this better is some pictures of these women. I feel like i know them from your account. i would just love to see what they look like compared to your description.
finally, the thing about not wanting to switch rubbers, you are dead wrong. think about it. if you use the same rubber on both women then the second girl is like not using a rubber, right?
Michael 1973
04-13-09, 15:00
Hi all,
maybe this is unusull request, maybe not. I go the 3rd time to Cambodia and PP in July and I like to know if some of you guys know where I can met a girl (and yes, get a BJ or sex with) who is pregnant. Best would be with a big round belly it would be some great combination of my favorites: sexy asian girls and a pregnant one.
So for any help I am thankful. Post here or PM me.
Michael
A friend of mine has the same fetish, I'll never understand it, but thanks for helpimg to make me feel more normal. Lots of luck :-)
Shamas O'Dognasty
Butt Sniffer to the Stars
Hi all,
maybe this is unusull request, maybe not. I go the 3rd time to Cambodia and PP in July and I like to know if some of you guys know where I can met a girl (and yes, get a BJ or sex with) who is pregnant. Best would be with a big round belly it would be some great combination of my favorites: sexy asian girls and a pregnant one.
So for any help I am thankful. Post here or PM me.
Michael
on my first trip to pp i used dsm and he took me to adult places, i read his pm in the admins section, i'm surprised that he was so stupid to publish a pm like he did. not sure who reported him, but good job, we have to help keep this a legitimate place for good adult fun.
shamas o'dognasty
gourmet catering &
septic tank cleaning
banned: driver sovanmee
reason: offering **** girls to forum members via the pm system. this pm is one of several similar pms that were forwarded to me by forum members.
Member #4698
04-15-09, 00:59
[This truly is a masterful report and a pleasure to read. You should take the advice of the travel channel and have your own travel show!
I appreciate the compliment. It was good to remember the night and get it all down on paper. I still want to file a report on nights 3 & 4 in Phnom Penh as well as a pretty good night in Siem Reap at Sak San.
It is stuff like this that makes our hobby so enjoyable and makes those of us sitting at home in the "civilized" world say "why the fuck am I here and not in ASIA! " Well I have been back in the "civilized" world for a month and all I can think about is going back. "LIVING IN THE USA – Somebody give me a cheeseburger. "
The only thing that could make this better is some pictures of these women. I feel like I know them from your account. I would just love to see what they look like compared to your description.
Yeah, the one thing I regret is I did not take any pictures of the ladies. In the past I brought along a little digital camera which was good for these kinds of things. On this trip I had the Nikon SLR and thought it might intimidate the girls.
I know what you mean about comparing the description in your mind with the recorded image. Sometimes it can be a rude shock. Like "oh hell what was I thinking. " And since you want to avoid that you got to start thinking about exposures and lighting. Sometimes I’m into it and other times I’m not.
Finally, the thing about not wanting to switch rubbers, you are dead wrong. Think about it. If you use the same rubber on both women then the second girl is like not using a rubber, right?
Technically and morally you are right, but since both girls work in the same bar under the same management they would know who takes risks and who does not. When pretty girl objected to the same rubber I did not push it. I try to be reasonable. But then what about bareback blow jobs. That is risky yet many many girls do it without even asking. The first time it happened to me at Angel massage in BKK I was real surprised and thought I should stop it. But that thought lasted for about 5 seconds.
Hello PT2,
I hope this from my collection is the info you seek.
I copied this from the DV8 website nightlife link 6 months ago or so but don't
see it there now.
So please excuse my posting this long post instead of a convenient link.
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High End Escort Services (These places run out of girls by 12:00 midnight,
except Casa which is open until 3:00 a.m. and Holiday International Manhattan Club)
Casa Hotel Night Club and Restaurant No. 5 France Street 47 Near What Phnom Girls
arrive at 8:00 pm, all independent escorts with one mamamasan
Vietnamese $67 a night ($50 if you rent a karoke room)
Chinese $150 a night
Cambodians $67 a night (no negotiation on the prices)
Karoke room is $8 all night, girl is $7 plus tip of at least $10.
What you do is between each other, no sex in the room.
You can take her home for $50.
Club 99 No. 10 Street 252 Girls arrive at 8:00 p.m. Cambodians girls Vietnamese girls One mamason $70 a night (negotiated down to $60 a night)
Holiday International Manhattan Club Street 84, off Monivong Girls do not arrive until late at 1:00 a.m. Vietnamese, Chinese and Cambodian dance on the disco floor.
Tell the waiter you want to speak to the mamasan. Tell her who you want. $50 a night (I did not negotiate).
XO Club, No. 85 A, Street 163 By far the best looking girls, Vietnamese and Cambodian.
This is NOT an escort service. The rooms are $8 an up a night. The girls are free but expect a tip.
You sing karoke and hug them. They make money off the food and drinks. The girls drink what you buy them.
Many married women work here to make ends meet. The girls and beer girls will go home with you if they like you.
There is no pressure to go home with you. If you want a girl right away, ask to see the mamasan. Girls are $70 to
$100 a night. See also the Yellow Pages under nightclubs and karoke. "Karoke" is a code word for escort service and places like XO.
[/blue][/size]I got this from reports of distinction. Is this info from 2-25-07 still valid for the high end in PP? Or are all these places long gone. Any higher end not on this list? (and no I won't screw up the prices. Just partake in higher end 1 night)
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