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Bad Boy Billy
03-15-08, 06:17
You can save the cover fee of Brix. All the girls come to OT as well (some later.
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For a different method, you get a pretty good cross-section of WG's to review by sitting in the Marriott cafe on the street. Tankuki
All great information guys and sensible way to go - BUT - if indeed you do actually want to see ALL the top tier girls that go to Brix - you do need to go into that bar from about 10pm to 11pm - I have only ever stayed at Hyatt one time but I never remember paying a cover charge on other occasions - I might be wrong but I do not remember same.
Zhuren...............mate................unlike some 'journalists' that we know in Beijing................I know you only 'report' the TRUTH.
Gerry also committed to inviting this reporter to the Grand Opening. The event is tentatively scheduled for the end of this coming week. It may not be cast in stone until all concrete has dried. We will report it when and as it happens.
Gerry just told me tonight that the renovation is going to be finished on march 18. Unfortunately, at that time I'm in SFO.
Tuesday the 18th was the exact day also quoted to me. However, in the interest of protecting our sources, I injected strategic ambiguity to cut Gerry some slack ... he might need it.
To BBB: Yeah, he said "after CNY," but to his credit, he never specified when after CNY, and after which CNY ...
Beijingrichard
03-16-08, 01:42
Long Tao Shan has long been the only spa people really mention in Haidian, so I decided to do a little research in hopes of curing a birthday hangover. It was the shortest and easiest research effort ever.
100 meters north of LTS, you will find the Jin Ma (金码）Hotel, with a full sauna on the fourth floor, as well as KTV on the fifth. Overall results were mixed, but to be fair, I showed up at 1pm and was the first customer of the day.
Locker area: good.
Shower area: mediocre, designed to look like you're in a cave.
Sauna, pools, steam rooms all present.
Not one word was uttered about buying pajamas, although they had a large display.
Their was a little confusion with my order, so when a large woman in a lab coat grabbed me, I went with the flow and had a very good legitimate massage first.
The second course is where things started going downhill. No lineup, but that may have been due to the time. I didn't care because I was given a real beauty, or at least I thought so until her clothes came off. She was a little high mileage for my tastes, with large tatoos across her chest and belly.
It started off as a real GFE, so I quickly got back in the mood. Catbath was very mediocre. Breast, crotch massages were passable. BBBJ lasted all of 15 seconds before switching to a much longer CBJ, all of 30 seconds before she hopped on and impaled herself. Bit of a dead fish. Mish and sideways mish weren't that interesting, especially since she was pretty loose. Doggie produced a much better sensation, as it usually does for me, and I decided to just plow on through till the end, hoping to finish before I lost interest in her altogether.
I don't know their policy, and I will be sure to clarify next time, but she lit me a cigarette and got dressed. Wham, bam and out the door in 30 minutes. I would normally start a shitstorm but I didn't really care to be stuck with her for much longer, so I let it go.
FS-880
45 minute legit massage-98
Couple of canned teas-40
spa fee? - apparently 68
total 1,086
I've been spoiled by Chen Xiu Lu, so I made the mistake of not clarifying everything up front. I will repeat, but will definitely go a little later, like after 3-4pm. It's so handy to have a potentially good place so close that I can't write them off after one spotty performance. Got to give them one more chance.
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Been at M's Fri & Sat. Jam-packed both days. However, girls consistently complain about low or non-existent action. Some quality girls didn't have a customer all week. I watched them go home alone at 2:30, on a Saturday, for cryin out loud.
What's wrong with the guys? Party conference is in town and other options are severely curtailed.
But most guys at M's just drink, look & go home.
Mass testosterone deficiency?
It's time to implement Sammy's idea of a 'qualified principals' circle. The supply side expressed interest.
Been at M's Fri & Sat. Jam-packed both days. However, girls consistently complain about low or non-existent action. Some quality girls didn't have a customer all week. I watched them go home alone at 2:30, on a Saturday, for cryin out loud.
What's wrong with the guys? Party conference is in town and other options are severely curtailed.
But most guys at M's just drink, look & go home.
Mass testosterone deficiency?
It's time to implement Sammy's idea of a 'qualified principals' circle. The supply side expressed interest.I think the issue is he high cost the girls ask. Funny they rather go home alone instead of making a few RMB. I think we need ti hold out and then prices will come down.
BTW Zhuren, did you go home alone?
Beijing Fox
03-16-08, 07:04
Another contributing factor to this phenomenon might be the fact that some of the regular buyers (like e.g. myself) pre-book and don't turn up at M's at all, but meet instead at a restaurant, a different venue, or straight at home? This brings the percentage of buyers at M's down.
Been at M's Fri & Sat. Jam-packed both days. However, girls consistently complain about low or non-existent action. Some quality girls didn't have a customer all week. I watched them go home alone at 2:30, on a Saturday, for cryin out loud.
What's wrong with the guys? Party conference is in town and other options are severely curtailed.
But most guys at M's just drink, look & go home.
Mass testosterone deficiency?
It's time to implement Sammy's idea of a 'qualified principals' circle. The supply side expressed interest.
The Tanuki
03-16-08, 08:30
Another contributing factor to this phenomenon might be the fact that some of the regular buyers (like e.g. myself) pre-book and don't turn up at M's at all, but meet instead at a restaurant, a different venue, or straight at home? This brings the percentage of buyers at M's down.
That's what I did last Friday. We didn't get anywhere near Maggie's, opting instead for the variety of Sanlitun's little pubs. She wanted to head back early to my hotel, so we were there before 11. It's a nice alternative, but since she's a girl from M's, I'm not sure that changes the statistics at all, other than she didn't have the opportunity to sell multiple ST's.
Some of the change could be due to girls trying to play safer, so if they don't get good vibes from a dude, they play out the ultra high prices to get rid of him. In my very short experience in BJ, I've seen girls getting possessive with me quickly, and they seem very interested in staying with guys they know. Just another possibility anyhow...
Tankuki
I was in BJ last weekend and was in M's. The observations already put forward are spot-on; let me add another perspective. The ladies are the sellers; the guys are the buyers. The sales team has to close the sale. If they are just standing there and stare blankly at the guys, or huddle up in their little cliques by the pool table, with some sort of sense of entitlement for a guy to come up to them and wave money at them, there gonna turn off a lot of the casual punters. This is amplified by the crowded space and the high amount of non-mongers in there these days. Way too many girls there these days just take this total reactive stance.
My point, the girls have to work the room. It's not politics, it's pussy politics. It used to be that when a guy went into M's, he was the hunted. Ladies, if you aren't getting the results you want, take action and go get it. A hot mongolian walks up to a newbie or a shy guy or a guy that wants to make a move, but is afraid that someone in the "real" world may see him there - these are signs that women know how to pick up on. A smart lady will walk up to the guy, casually, grab his dick, and whisper in his ear "lets get out of here and get naked, I want your dick in my mouht". My guess is that the close rate on a sales pitch like that is higher than being a wallflower.
I just don't get this whole "I'm hot, I'll just wait for you to come to me" mentality. Many of you guys know the hottest of the hot in there - I don't; they've always come off to me as arrogant.
Shanghaisnap
03-16-08, 12:31
Have been in Beijing a couple of days for the past two weeks and wanted to share thoughts and experiences in Maggies the past couple of weeks.
Agree there seem to be a lot more traffic, but not much of action. With groups of guys just there for a look.
One of the (many) things I don't like about this is it makes it harder to enjoy a night of "discrete" action with friendly ladies and conversation with lads who are there for a common purpose.
The more tourists or lurkers there are, the increasing danger of running into business associates / colleagues who can seriously cramp your style.
Has already happened to me twice, seeing clients or business associates in Maggies. Luckily one of those occasions quickly discovered my client was there for the same purpose as me and we enjoyed a wide ranging conversation with lovely ladies perched on our laps, with simply a knowing smile and nod when we both walked out with our selected ladies.
The second time was a complete buzz kill. My plan was to land in Beijing 9pm, complete a couple of hours of email and head to Maggies 11.30pm, scout the room, make a choice, couple of drinks, negotiate then be back at hotel by 12.30pm. Ended up running into a business associate who was there with a group of guys visiting Beijing for the time and had heard about Maggies and wanted to go there for a look. I am a very discrete and private person, and although single, don't want like the idea of associates knowing about my evening activities. So the night ended up with a few drinks and some dull conversation while I eyed a number of ladies I would have gladly left with, but felt I couldn't really pursue safely.
That night there was one lady in in particular (who I later discover was named Zaya) who really caught my attention. She dresses more like a sexy office lady - nice pair of heels, black stockings, mid length skirt that showed her curves, slightly pouty mouth, great smile with dimples, wears her hair up - BBB is this the same Zaya you met?
Noticed she seemed very adept at sidling sexily up to her target, sizing up if they were a voyeur, tyre kicker or a serious buyer and closing the deal. So if I was to snare her on my next hopefully discreet visit I should probably get there between 10.30 and 11.
Cut to this past Wednesday when I returned to Beijing and I headed to Maggies around 11pm. It was not as crowded (for a change) and managed to snare a spot on the corner between the bar and the pool table.
Spotted Zaya and saw she was already busy talking to another guy. Also noticed another girl, who was tall, reddish tinted hair in a short bob cut, wearing coloured contact lenses and wider, rounder eyes. Her look reminded me of Japanese / Chinese girls who are into cos plays and Japanese anime characters. Her name was either Oggi or Ogee (can't recall exact spelling). She spoke English with a slight Russian accent which can be so sexy out the mouths of the Mongol Princesses. - BBB is this another of the girls you enjoyed.
Oggi was very, very direct, cutting to the chase within 90 seconds, telling me she thought I was nice looking and her plan that night was to take me to my hotel for the "best boom boom". I was tempted, but didn't commit as was waiting to see if Zaya was going to be taken or not. After a few minutes of me diplomatically avoiding Oggi direct questions, she moved onto chat with a couple of other ladies.
Noticed Zaya was now in fact free and almost as soon as I smiled at her, she was beside me and using all her charms on me (she really didn't need too, I was committed buyer anyway). So after a few minutes of playful chatting, expert flirting and joking around the fact we where both in Beijing "working" she told me she would expect RMB 1500 for the night. I responded by telling her for that price I would expect a long night of hard work with some overtime for that price. She just winked at me!
I know this is getting above usual 1000 rmb mark, but Zaya is a star in my opinion. A lovely lady, intelligent and of course damn sexy. We were out the door at 12.15am, back at hotel by 12.30am and I think finally to sleep around 4am.
We exchanged numbers so I could meet her on Thursday. The plan was to meet at my hotel, so we could avoid going to the bar. Unfortunately my phone died and I had a business dinner that didn't end until 11.30. So by the time I got back to hotel and sms Zaya, it was obvious she had given up on me and had found an alternate date for the night (the lucky bastard!).
THere is a happier ending though, I ended up having to stay Friday night as well, resulting in Zaya coming to meet at 9pm. I was expecting her to stay, but she told me her younger sister had arrived in Beijing to stay with her and she needed to leave by 12. I realize this may have well been a line, and in fact she was hoping to exhaust me by 12 (which she managed to do), and get to Maggies for another opportunity to increase her revenue for the week. I don't begrudge her that. Part of me does believe the sister story as Zaya was not wearing her usual Maggies sexy office lady clothes, but was dressed more casually in great pair of jeans, t-shirt and leather jacket (still very sexy though).
Anyway if any of the ISG members where at Maggies on Friday and saw her there later, I only hope they were generous, behaved like a gentleman and treated Zaya with the respect and care she deserves.
I am back in Beijing Tuesday and hope to meet up with then for a couple more nights.
One last offering... In my conversations with Zaya and previously with the delightful and well reported Aggi, the ladies are definitely noticing the increase in tourists and voyeurs hanging around Maggies. Hence the more direct sales pitches to sort the wheat from the chaff so to speak.
Because I live in Shanghai and get to Bejing regularly, my usual strategy is to hit Maggies on my first night and find a lovely lady who will become a regular for a period of time. Meeting up in hotel or out for dinner vs going to Maggies everynight. I have noticed that more of the ladies are interested in this set up, in fact once they find out I am in town for 2-3 days they are offering if I would see them every night I am there. This is further evidence business is slowing down at Maggies, not to mention that if these ladies can set up dates outside and keep those of us in the market away from Maggies, the less chance we discover another Mongol diamond to move onto.
Maybe when they renovate the current space, it should be set up as a members only section. A place where only serious purchasers and regulars are allowed in. Opens up a whole host of marketing opportunities and benefits, similar to frequent flyer program or even the passport cards used in Starbucks (1 freebie for every 10 take outs). In fact that could be the qualifying process for the members room - you need to have left Maggies at least 10 times in the company of one (or more) of the lovely delights on display.
Well, I think that is in enogh rambling from me for the time being!
Snap
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Beijingrichard
03-16-08, 12:31
I can be a real dumbshit. In case anyone else cares to check out this place in Haidian (Golden Tower in English) the one you want to avoid is #6, Wang Xue from QingDao. Looks great in the uniform, but it's all window dressing.
My point, the girls have to work the room. It's not politics, it's pussy politics. It used to be that when a guy went into M's, he was the hunted. Ladies, if you aren't getting the results you want, take action and go get it. A hot mongolian walks up to a newbie or a shy guy or a guy that wants to make a move, but is afraid that someone in the "real" world may see him there - these are signs that women know how to pick up on. A smart lady will walk up to the guy, casually, grab his dick, and whisper in his ear "lets get out of here and get naked, I want your dick in my mouht".
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Good idea. However, the Mongolian sisters are being discouraged from openly soliciting ... winks & smiles are ok, but the aforementioned approach would get them evicted. Remember, officially it's all foreigners engaging in innocent conversation in a bar ... plausible deniability ..
Transmuter
03-16-08, 16:25
Many of you guys know the hottest of the hot in there - I don't; they've always come off to me as arrogant.Good point - me too; and I have had similar experiences.
However, you feel much more pussy whipped when you believe you are a hunter of a gem rather then a punter of a floozy, don't you.
FernandoAlonso
03-16-08, 16:40
Can only support the last price radars. On any somewhat sound pharmacy standard 495 for 5 V and 395 or 495 for 4 C (there are two different brands). Look very original, but for these prices did not try, was still happy going enough mileage without but would have loved to try, so if there is a cheaper source, let me know and my young lady freebie will get even more excited (or annoyed, who knows.
Transmuter
03-16-08, 16:49
Been at M's Fri & Sat. Jam-packed both days. However, girls consistently complain about low or non-existent action. Some quality girls didn't have a customer all week. I watched them go home alone at 2:30, on a Saturday, for cryin out loud.
What's wrong with the guys? Party conference is in town and other options are severely curtailed.
But most guys at M's just drink, look & go home.
Mass testosterone deficiency?
It's time to implement Sammy's idea of a 'qualified principals' circle. The supply side expressed interest.I have been one of the strong buyers (both Fri and Sat).
Please disclose what did you do?
DavidChuphd
03-16-08, 17:42
Hello friends,
This is a report of my escort experiences recently at BJ. The website www.escortschina.com is very annoying. Although I paid $50 subscription fee (it was reduced from $200 as a Chinese new year gift), the information in the web is not accurate. What appeared in the pics were not the real person. Brothers, don't repeat my fault!
David
Bad Boy Billy
03-16-08, 22:43
That night there was one lady in in particular (who I later discover was named Zaya) who really caught my attention. She dresses more like a sexy office lady - nice pair of heels, black stockings, mid length skirt that showed her curves, slightly pouty mouth, great smile with dimples, wears her hair up - BBB is this the same Zaya you met?Sounds like a perfect description of her.
Also noticed another girl, who was tall, reddish tinted hair in a short bob cut, wearing coloured contact lenses and wider, rounder eyes. Her look reminded me of Japanese / Chinese girls who are into cos plays and Japanese anime characters. Her name was either Oggi or Ogee (can't recall exact spelling). She spoke English with a slight Russian accent which can be so sexy out the mouths of the Mongol Princesses. - BBB is this another of the girls you enjoyed.This description sounds like Jessie - whom I did take home from Maggies last visit - and whom I booted out 2 minutes latewr when she demanded money up front.
So after a few minutes of playful chatting, expert flirting and joking around the fact we where both in Beijing "working" she told me she would expect RMB 1500 for the night. I responded by telling her for that price I would expect a long night of hard work with some overtime for that price. She just winked at me!
I know this is getting above usual 1000 rmb mark, but Zaya is a star in my opinion. A lovely lady, intelligent and of course damn sexy. We were out the door at 12.15am, back at hotel by 12.30am and I think finally to sleep around 4am.I also paid her RMB1,500 - as I stated in a previous post - if that what it costs to get the 'stars' then that is what I will pay - I do not want to pay that much - but I will pay if I have to.
Bad Boy Billy
03-16-08, 22:54
Guys I have been giving this a lot of thought.
Yes I want to continue paying the going rate of RMB800 or at a push RMB1,000 for Maggies girls.
BUT - the stars are asking RMB1,500 to RMB2,000.
Yes I can hear the chorus now - wait until 2.30am or 3.00am and you will get them for RMB800 - MAYBE.
By then somebody else MAY have swooped them up OR - more likely in Billy's case - I will have spent another RMB500 to RMB1,000 on drinks for myself - G & T at 50 x 10 drinks - and as I ALWAYS buy drinks for the girls I have fucked before that I WANT to keep on my DAYTIME list - shit the extra drink cost between 00.30am and 2.30am just blew out to RMB1,000 plus.
Getting the picture guys? And the added bonus - I get to go to work on her in a less than inebriated state.
Source www.dictionary.com - Inebriate - To make drunk; intoxicate. To exhilarate or stupefy as if with alcohol. (Sammy, Intransit, Zhuren, OldAsiaHobo - no need for your contributions here - contributions along the lines Billy does not need alchohol to be "stupefied" totally unrequired.)
You can say all you like that if Billy gives them RMB1,500 to RMB2,000 straight up he is fucking the market - I say if I pay RMB1,500 at 00.30am indeed my overall cost at Maggies including one of the top tier w.h.o.r.e.s is indeed lower and satisfaction rate higher.
Don't condemn straight out - think about it.
Loveasiangirls
03-16-08, 23:13
Been at M's Fri & Sat. Jam-packed both days. However, girls consistently complain about low or non-existent action. Some quality girls didn't have a customer all week. I watched them go home alone at 2:30, on a Saturday, for cryin out loud.
What's wrong with the guys? Party conference is in town and other options are severely curtailed.
But most guys at M's just drink, look & go home.
Mass testosterone deficiency?
It's time to implement Sammy's idea of a 'qualified principals' circle. The supply side expressed interest.I am one of those guys who once went to M, drank, looked and went home. I was there with a buddy who was a first timers in Beijing and we both had "good intentions".
For a newbie going there, the problem is the following. When you walk in you feel you are walking into a private club as you sense most of the people seem to know themselves (probably the crowd for this Board) and know the girls. So you get the feeling you are walking into someone else's party. Judging the comments made here about the "tourists" seems to confirm that feeling.
After some time you finally figure out who the bar girls are and who the working girls are. Unfortunately the bar girls are very friendly while I found the WG more standoffish and not very warm (I guess this relates to the post of another member on the girls marketing skills). At that point I think my problem was that it was "too early". Having read the posts here I was a bit shocked at the prices quoted to me and my inability to negotiate down to "market rates". (I usually do very well at the markets like Ya Xiu but somehow the idea to negotiate agressively and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the girl does not sound like a good way to start a romantic evening if you expect good service.) I guess when it is early the girls hope to get 2 clients per night and are really only interested in ST with the first guy unless he pays her what she can make with 2. So for me, waiting until 2am to land someone is way too late. By the time you drive home, shower, the action won't start until 3am. Even if I don't need to get up the next morning, 3AM to start the action is too late as I am not into quickies.
So I think that a little more "aggressive marketing" towards the "tourists" or newbie" and a willingness to make a deal before midnite will assure the girl that she will not go home alone at 2h30AM.
I was in BJ last week-end and my new freebie was underperforming. I thought of going there but did not feel like visiting a private club and be up until 5AM so I decided against it.
Bad Boy Billy
03-16-08, 23:18
I was in BJ last weekend and was in M's. The observations already put forward are spot-on; let me add another perspective. The ladies are the sellers; the guys are the buyers. The sales team has to close the sale. If they are just standing there and stare blankly at the guys, or huddle up in their little cliques by the pool table, with some sort of sense of entitlement for a guy to come up to them and wave money at them, there gonna turn off a lot of the casual punters. This is amplified by the crowded space and the high amount of non-mongers in there these days. Way too many girls there these days just take this total reactive stance.
My point, the girls have to work the room. It's not politics, it's pussy politics. It used to be that when a guy went into M's, he was the hunted. Ladies, if you aren't getting the results you want, take action and go get it. A hot mongolian walks up to a newbie or a shy guy or a guy that wants to make a move, but is afraid that someone in the "real" world may see him there - these are signs that women know how to pick up on. A smart lady will walk up to the guy, casually, grab his dick, and whisper in his ear "lets get out of here and get naked, I want your dick in my mouht". My guess is that the close rate on a sales pitch like that is higher than being a wallflower.
I just don't get this whole "I'm hot, I'll just wait for you to come to me" mentality. Many of you guys know the hottest of the hot in there - I don't; they've always come off to me as arrogant.Excellent assesment of current situation with the girls and I agree BUT disagree at the same time.
I have no doubt the girls are just as pissed off with the current layout in terms of 'selling their wares".
In the old layout if you stood mid bar against the wall and not the bar - within 30 minutes you would see EVERY girl in Maggies parade at least once.
IMHO this is almost the perfect 'aggression' for the girls to display in selling - I want to see - then decide - then approach. Personally I love the games they play with their attudes / personal sense of worth etc.
We all know how impossible it is for males AND females to move around the current layout - the new island type bar layout will return it to the 'hunting paradise' that we all loved before.
Hello friends,
This is a report of my escort experiences recently at BJ. The website www.escortschina.com is very annoying. Although I paid $50 subscription fee (it was reduced from $200 as a Chinese new year gift), the information in the web is not accurate. What appeared in the pics were not the real person. Brothers, don't repeat my fault!
David
Same experience here. Moreover one attractive girl listed there who exists in real life doesn't even work as a hooker anymore. I'm talking about the 5'10" tall girl in Guangzhou (originally from Jilin) who is listed once as babychanel and once as kisschanel and really exists. She is a 22-year old ex-model (born 1985), you can search her Chinese name on Google and find some model shows and car shows in Guangzhou she participated in. When I was in Guangzhou I called her up and she seems to have gone permanent with some wealthy guy from Hong Kong.
I sent this info to the website by e-mail and they neither replied nor took her out of their listing, meaning they are trying to lure guys with girls who have quit the business.
BBB, I understand and agree with your logic. Even at 1500 rmb, it's a bargain compared to prices in the states (where I am from) and in Australia (where I lived for 5 years). I do wonder how much price inflation has to do with the upcoming Olympics-maybe nothing. I lived in Sydney during the 2000 games, and I cannot recall a spike in prices at the higher quality in-call parlours.
Great to hear that the new layout will have an island bar. That was one of the fun parts of the old Maggies. You could handicap the talent on hand by pegging it as a 1 lap night, 2 lap night; etc.
Bad Boy Billy
03-17-08, 02:06
I do wonder how much price inflation has to do with the upcoming Olympics-maybe nothing. I lived in Sydney during the 2000 games, and I cannot recall a spike in prices at the higher quality in-call parlours. IMHO I do not think that the price hike has ANYTHING to do with the upcoming Olympics.
I honestly believe that with every country / company in the world the wanting to do business in China - the influx of new / newer business visitors annually is just HUGELY increased.
Many of these guys come to Beijing on company sponsored junkets and have pockets full of money with NO knowledge of what standard / going rate pricing for pussy in that market.
Hence for these Europeans / Sth Americans / Australians / Yanks whoever - to throw a couple hundred at a w.h.o.r.e which is as Lao Ma pointed out way under what they cost in home market well it's just not a big deal financially to them.
REmember many of these Mongolian girlies are VERY intelligent - many University students - they can soon sus the desire from these clowns with 'stiff pricks' - getting that price up aint so hard really.
I think the high price in Beijing has more to do with the massive police presence there. In Guangdong province there are also plenty of foreigners with money and the going rate is only around 200RMB ST.
In addition Maggies is a place few Chinese, but mainly non-Chinese speaking foreigners (including many Americans, who are used to the ridiculous Eliot Spitzer type US prices) go to, so they drive up the prices for everybody.
Bad Boy Billy
03-17-08, 02:43
In addition Maggies is a place few Chinese, but mainly non-Chinese speaking foreigners (including many Americans, who are used to the ridiculous Eliot Spitzer type US prices) go to, so they drive up the prices for everybody.Couldn't agree more - those fucking Yanks.
And lets not even begin to talk about them driving up world oil prices + everything else that is wrong in our world.
Zhuren - any chance we can make Maggies a 'Yank free' zone?
Couldn't agree more - those fucking Yanks.
And lets not even begin to talk about them driving up world oil prices + everything else that is wrong in our world.
Zhuren - any chance we can make Maggies a 'Yank free' zone?Ironic that on a China board, it is America's fault that commodity pricing is going up. Something that benefits Australia, greatly, one might add. Let's keep the nationalistic nonsense out of this discussion. And this Yank's concession will be: I'll stay out of Maggies. Well, except when I don't, of course.
Couldn't agree more - those fucking Yanks.
And lets not even begin to talk about them driving up world oil prices + everything else that is wrong in our world.
Zhuren - any chance we can make Maggies a 'Yank free' zone?
Well, it's the simple truth. There is a reason no Chinese people hang out at M's, they aren't suckers the same way certain Westerners are, paying an average monthly salary for ST sex.
Bad Boy Billy
03-17-08, 04:08
Well, it's the simple truth. There is a reason no Chinese people hang out at M's, they aren't suckers the same way certain Westerners are, paying an average monthly salary for ST sex.My apologies for being sarcastic in previous posts but 2 points you need to consider my friend:
1. My understanding is that Chinese do not 'hang out' at Maggies is because indeed they are not permitted by management to enter that establishment.
2. There is a huge difference between the mostly 'university educated' or 'current university student' Mongolian sisters who frequent Maggies and the 'mud between the toes' little Chinese darlings in the Guangzhou BBS.
Hence the price difference RM200 to RMB1,500 or more.
Beijing Fox
03-17-08, 04:11
Friends, first of all, please let's keep this forum free of politics.
One of my Mongolian friends once confided in me that another Mongolian friend of her prefers to work with Chinese customers and doesn't go to Maggie's. Why?
- their dicks are not so huge
- they come faster (i.e. It is over faster
- they don't require the 'nonsense' of GFE from a prostitute
Considering that, I can understand that they demand premium price to go the extra mile.
Also, I sometimes look into the mirror and wonder how much I would demand in exchange for being fucked by someone like myself? Now have a look at yourself - would you do it below RMB1500?
Well, it's the simple truth. There is a reason no Chinese people hang out at M's, they aren't suckers the same way certain Westerners are, paying an average monthly salary for ST sex.
Beijing Fox
03-17-08, 05:32
When my Mongolian friend talked about 'Chinese customers' she was referring to them in a geographical context = customers from the PRC, and not in a racial context. She even said 'including Mongols from Inner Mongolia'.
Friends, first of all, please let's keep this forum free of politics.
One of my Mongolian friends once confided in me that another Mongolian friend of her prefers to work with Chinese customers and doesn't go to Maggie's. Why?
- their dicks are not so huge
- they come faster (i.e. It is over faster
- they don't require the 'nonsense' of GFE from a prostitute
Considering that, I can understand that they demand premium price to go the extra mile.
Also, I sometimes look into the mirror and wonder how much I would demand in exchange for being fucked by someone like myself? Now have a look at yourself - would you do it below RMB1500?
Zhuren - any chance we can make Maggies a 'Yank free' zone?
According to Maggie's lore, it once nearly came to that. A member of the U.S. embassy allegedly burned a Maggie's girl with a cigarette. He was thoroughly roughed up by the security staff. At the time, they were so thorough that the perp was unable to walk. He was hand delivered to the embassy. In order to avoid a diplomatic incident with the unofficial Mongolian embassy, he was sent back a few days later to apologize. Had he not ...
I call BS on that urban lore :)
A US Embassy staff member, on a diplomatic passport, gets beat up by Maggies security staff, and then is made to go apologize ? Ummm.........I don't think so..... if it bubbled up to the US Ambassador, and he made a stink, Maggies would have been shut down by the end of the following week.
But it's certainly possible.... I've met some true a-hole Americans in various bars, in the past. Just arrogant, pompous, self-rightous know-it-alls... one could almost say, very german :)
(j/k)
OldAsiaHand
03-17-08, 13:05
Couldn't agree more - those fucking Yanks.
And lets not even begin to talk about them driving up world oil prices + everything else that is wrong in our world.
Zhuren - any chance we can make Maggies a 'Yank free' zone?
BBB,
A few bad apples. And, I am sure that the BSDs paying too much at Maggies come from every country. As a "Yank" myself, I never pay more than the going rate. Am I to be banned?
OAH
OldAsiaHand
03-17-08, 13:13
\2. There is a huge difference between the mostly 'university educated' or 'current university student' Mongolian sisters who frequent Maggies and the 'mud between the toes' little Chinese darlings in the Guangzhou BBS.
Hence the price difference RM200 to RMB1,500 or more.
BBB,
First of all, get your ass down South so you can experience the difference firsthand mate. I know plenty of BBS joints where the girls have washed off the mud. That said, I love that, "fresh off the farm" type, as much as, the university educated Mongolians. Neither are better, just different. IMHO, the prices are based on supply and demand. Beijing has far fewer Mongolians than S. China has BBS girls.
Just my POV.
OAH
The Tanuki
03-17-08, 13:55
One of my Mongolian friends once confided in me that another Mongolian friend of her prefers to work with Chinese customers and doesn't go to Maggie's. Why?
- their dicks are not so huge
- they come faster (i.e. It is over faster
- they don't require the 'nonsense' of GFE from a prostitute
Hey, they don't call me "One Hung Lo" for nothing. In fact, they don't call me that at all... :-) I would say though, that whilst stumbling back to the hotel in the wee hours, drunk as a skunk, there is a much longer time requirement to get a pop.
GFE is overrated IMO. Do I want her telling me to do more sit ups and stop drinking so damn much and get a better job so she can shop at LV?
Also, I sometimes look into the mirror and wonder how much I would demand in exchange for being fucked by someone like myself? Now have a look at yourself - would you do it below RMB1500?
Brutal fuckin concept. I wouldn't fuck me with someone else's dick and blame it on George W. However, I treat the ladies with respect and they don't ask me for more than 1200 and I call it a good deal. Then again, I'll see how long that lasts when I get back in a couple weeks...
Tankuki
The Tanuki
03-17-08, 14:02
Well, it's the simple truth. There is a reason no Chinese people hang out at M's, they aren't suckers the same way certain Westerners are, paying an average monthly salary for ST sex.
Well, remember that I'm not paying MY monthly salary for a poke in the whiskers. That's why I'm able to do it more than once a month...
Tankuki
A US Embassy staff member, on a diplomatic passport, gets beat up by Maggies security staff, and then is made to go apologize ? Ummm.........I don't think so..... if it bubbled up to the US Ambassador, and he made a stink, Maggies would have been shut down by the end of the following week.
(j/k)
It happened during the Worker's Stadium era. Sammy can probably corroborate.
You may take a cautious view if a member of your embassy was seen abusing the hand of a female as an ashtray and extinguishing a cigarette on said hand. You, as an ambassador, may question what business your staff member had in a house of ill repute in the first place …. And you may desire that the matter goes away quietly. That's why you are a diplomat.
Be it as it may, it's a story I've heard, but not seen. It's part of Maggie's history. Like many things in history, it may be true ... or not.
Sammy can probably corroborate.
Yes, I remember the incident. So ******* burned a girl and the the bouncers beat the crap out of him. I heard he worked for the US Embassy in some capacity, but that it was common knowledge that he was to blame. It would not surprise me if they sent him home after such an incident - especially if he had to explain to his wife how he got beat up.
Sammy
Also, I sometimes look into the mirror and wonder how much I would demand in exchange for being fucked by someone like myself? Now have a look at yourself - would you do it below RMB1500?
Hmmm ... BJF is (as per the ladies) sometimes referred to as "cute" and often as "handsome."
If he'd charge himself 1500 ... then my rate would probably be 2500 .... BBB a solid 3000.
I don't think we should go down that valuation route.
True, true, and true.
Us Mandarin-challenged folks can actually talk to the Mongolian sisters. And some can carry quite a conversation. And there isn't that endless stream of "da" and "teng" ... whatever that may mean ...
2 points you need to consider my friend:
1. My understanding is that Chinese do not 'hang out' at Maggies is because indeed they are not permitted by management to enter that establishment.
2. There is a huge difference between the mostly 'university educated' or 'current university student' Mongolian sisters who frequent Maggies and the 'mud between the toes' little Chinese darlings in the Guangzhou BBS.
Hence the price difference RM200 to RMB1,500 or more.
JohnThomas0519
03-17-08, 18:00
Must say that it was quite an experience this last visit. Already mentioned connecting with Sammy_T and Tatuki (sic). Two great guys to hand out with. Like to offer my limited perspective.
First, HW is a total bust. Went by Saturday night alone at 1230 en route to M and there were NO girls there. I did meet a German fellow and had a nice talk. We then proceeded to M. The place was packed. Wall 2 wall people. Saw the 1300 ST/2700 LT cutie. She smiled but was already making good money with a tourist. I regret to differ with my brothers about the Monglians. For my taste, the Chinese and Russians are more appealing. Given how useless the latter is, one is better off mongering in SH, the south and Macau.
I did visit Dragon Foot behind the All China Women Center. If you only want a massage (298 RMB), don't bother. For 428 RMB, you do get a nice HJ. I starts with the basic. But th eyoung lady was shrewd enough to work me to an upgrade. The place is similar to a sauna, e. G. Locker, shower etc. But did not offer the other components. The rooms are clean but nothing exciting. If you decide to go, ask for 811. A very sweet girl.
One last observation. I don't see how the government will be able to clean up the air by the Olympics.
Cheers and my best to Sammy and T.
Bad Boy Billy
03-17-08, 21:35
BBB,A few bad apples. And, I am sure that the BSDs paying too much at Maggies come from every country. As a "Yank" myself, I never pay more than the going rate. Am I to be banned?OAHOAH - do you know the one thing that we Australians love the most about Yanks?
The Yanks almost total inability to understand the Australian sarcastic humour.
Of course I am not / would never advocate the banishment of the 'septic tanks' - who else would we laugh at then?
Note 1 - Above line is ANOTHER example of Billy's sarcastic humour.
Note 2 - At the recent gathering at the 'Nude KTV' I think a total of 12 guys in attendance - 11 Yanks and Billy - the lone Australian - but I am sure that my attendance allowed for a doubling of the average IQ level of the 12 guys in the room.
Bad Boy Billy
03-17-08, 21:42
BBB,..First of all, get your ass down South so you can experience the difference firsthand mate. I know plenty of BBS joints where the girls have washed off the mud. That said, I love that, "fresh off the farm" type, as much as, the university educated Mongolians. Neither are better, just different. IMHO, the prices are based on supply and demand. Beijing has far fewer Mongolians than S. China has BBS girls.OAHYes mate you are right - I should not attempt to speak as an authority on a subject when I indeed have not experienced it first hand.
However the point I was trying to make was the huge difference in the "TOTAL SERVICE PACKAGE" offered between a 'university educated' Mongolian including fun conversation / interaction with their level of English skills for up to 12hrs for RMB1,500 - or a 'fresh off the farm' Chinese with no chance of conversation / interaction considering my zero Chinese skills for 1hr for RMB200.
I certainly was not trying to denigrate the Sth China experience in any way my ol buddy.
Beijing Fox
03-18-08, 01:33
the "TOTAL SERVICE PACKAGE" offered between a 'university educated' Mongolian.
Yes, I love these hour-long discussions with our Mongolian graduates about Greek Philosophy and related topics like the influence of hellenistic art on e.g. Indian temple architecure. They are such a great stimulus to my brain functions - especially after 10 beers or so. . . .
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-08, 03:03
Yes, I love these hour-long discussions with our Mongolian graduates about Greek Philosophy and related topics like the influence of hellenistic art on e.g. Indian temple architecure. They are such a great stimulus to my brain functions - especially after 10 beers or so. . . .I don't actually get that deep..................more family issues..............life experiences up until present time..............what story they have fed their families as to why they are currently in Beijing*...............future aspirations - aint brain shattering stuff...............sufficient though to get them relaxed and thinking I am a half way decent guy and indeed am slightly interested in their lives as well as their pussies..
Compare that to the conversation with ALL BBS girls I have had in Tianjin and Nanjing - "hurry up - finish quickly - pain - pain".
* - The Mongolian beauties have some doozies of stories that they feed their families - here are 3 from my last visit:
1. I am actually in Hohot in inner Mongolia studying.
2. I am actually working as waitress in Korea.
3. I am actually visiting Mongolian countryside with my boyfriend and no phones operate there so cannot contact families
SidTheSexist
03-18-08, 03:58
In light of the recent ongoing discssion, I have a few things to add from my own opinion.
First off, whilst I always find the opinions of BBB, Zhuren, Sammy T etc etc to be spot on target, lets just try and come down from this, 'university educated,' band wagon. To think that this is even 100% true for all of the Maggies girls, is pushing the boat out a long way! But to think that the reason their prices are high is because we can converse intellectually with them, is just kidding ourselves.
1500-2500rmb in China, Beijing, Mongolia is a LOT of money for any WG. The Mongolian girls in Beijing have reached a point of almost arrogance. Yes, it is because of the 1-2 time tourist pushing the prices up leaving us residents in the shit, but if there were (as is currently being suggested) 1-2-3 other decent alternative venues with a similar set up, then prices may begin to look reasonable again. If a Mongolian girl, or any WG for that matter, asked anything above 800 3 years ago I would have already been chatting my next girl up before she could say the R.M.B.
My current stance is that I have very little time for Maggies, and that is almost entirely due to what I read here every other day in the forums. I am happy doing rounds in the regular bars such as Franks, Paddys, the Den, Rickshaw, NanJie, GnD where there is a far greater selection of better looking girls from all over the world. Had myself a fantastic session on saturday night with a cuban girl I met whilst out and about. And I guarentee far higher educated than any of the 'Bator gals.
Bangkok every other month is more than enough mongering to keep me sane in Beijing and with upcoming trips to Tokyo and Shanghai, I have plenty to look forward too.
Until we start realising that Mongolians are NOT the best providers in Asia and prices hit a realistic level, Im afraid my Maggies days are numbered.
Instead of a, "lets find a new venue for the Mongolians," how about, lets encourage our Flipper and Thai sisters to infiltrate Beijing instead of only providing good times for those in Shanghai and HK (down south).
Sorry for the bore guys, just my thoughts.
Sid
Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 04:03
In light of the recent ongoing discssion, I have a few things to add from my own opinion.
First off, whilst I always find the opinions of BBB, Zhuren, Sammy T etc etc to be spot on target, lets just try and come down from this, 'university educated,' band wagon. To think that this is even 100% true for all of the Maggies girls, is pushing the boat out a long way! But to think that the reason their prices are high is because we can converse intellectually with them, is just kidding ourselves.
1500-2500rmb in China, Beijing, Mongolia is a LOT of money for any WG. The Mongolian girls in Beijing have reached a point of almost arrogance. Yes, it is because of the 1-2 time tourist pushing the prices up leaving us residents in the shit, but if there were (as is currently being suggested) 1-2-3 other decent alternative venues with a similar set up, then prices may begin to look reasonable again. If a Mongolian girl, or any WG for that matter, asked anything above 800 3 years ago I would have already been chatting my next girl up before she could say the R.M.B.
My current stance is that I have very little time for Maggies, and that is almost entirely due to what I read here every other day in the forums. I am happy doing rounds in the regular bars such as Franks, Paddys, the Den, Rickshaw, NanJie, GnD where there is a far greater selection of better looking girls from all over the world. Had myself a fantastic session on saturday night with a cuban girl I met whilst out and about. And I guarentee far higher educated than any of the 'Bator gals.
Bangkok every other month is more than enough mongering to keep me sane in Beijing and with upcoming trips to Tokyo and Shanghai, I have plenty to look forward too.
Until we start realising that Mongolians are NOT the best providers in Asia and prices hit a realistic level, Im afraid my Maggies days are numbered.
Instead of a, "lets find a new venue for the Mongolians," how about, lets encourage our Flipper and Thai sisters to infiltrate Beijing instead of only providing good times for those in Shanghai and HK (down south).
Sorry for the bore guys, just my thoughts.
Sid
Sid,
Very well said!
MAB
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-08, 05:14
Ahh don't you just love vigorous debate? Makes the world go around huh.
Ok on Sat night Mar 1 Beijing Xiber and Billy sat and had dinner at The Den. We sat from 9pm to 11.30pm - only 2 w.h.o.r.e.s in The Den during that time - and both of them appeared in Maggies later. Billy's conclusion - The Den in its current state is FUCKED as a pick-up place for w.h.o.r.e.s at the moment. YES I have seen it in its good times - I hope I see it in its good times again.
That Saturday night was the 5th night I was in Beijing out of 7 nights I was in China - all 5 nights I ended up in Maggies and took w.h.o.r.e.s home each night.
Why Maggies?
Simple - I am guranteed a selection of up to 50 w.h.o.r.e.s to choose from. This is AFTER having 1 or 2 daytime sessions with regulars.
Want to see the difference between an RMB800 w.h.o.r.e and a RMB1,500 w.h.o.r.e from Maggies - take a look see yourselves - see why some of us up-scale?
Remember guys - we are all FREE to choose ANY w.h.o.r.e we WANT - and PAY her ANY amount we WANT.
Please see my post No. 2417 in Beijing thread - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=716395#post716395
I agree that Maggies is getting TOO EXPENSIVE. Indeed I will be back in Tianjin on Mar 27 and 28 then fly to Shanghai to fly to Angeles City in Phils where the average w.h.o.r.e cost US$30 all night.
BUT
If I am in Beijing and in Maggies then I WILL take whichever girl I WANT and I WILL pay her whatever AMOUNT it takes to secure her.
Am looking forward to more contributions.
Beijing Xiber
03-18-08, 05:28
Ahh don't you just love
...
Want to see the difference between an RMB800 w.h.o.r.e and a RMB1,500 w.h.o.r.e from Maggies - take a look see yourselves - see why some of us up-scale?
...
Am looking forward to more contributions.
BBB:
So I guess for the extra money, you get higher boots! What's it take to get a full pleather body suit with cut outs? Hehe! Just yanking your chain.
Be safe.
BJXB
Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 05:43
Ahh don't you just love vigorous debate? Makes the world go around huh.
Ok on Sat night Mar 1 Beijing Xiber and Billy sat and had dinner at The Den. We sat from 9pm to 11.30pm - only 2 w.h.o.r.e.s in The Den during that time - and both of them appeared in Maggies later. Billy's conclusion - The Den in its current state is FUCKED as a pick-up place for w.h.o.r.e.s at the moment. YES I have seen it in its good times - I hope I see it in its good times again.
That Saturday night was the 5th night I was in Beijing out of 7 nights I was in China - all 5 nights I ended up in Maggies and took w.h.o.r.e.s home each night.
Why Maggies?
Simple - I am guranteed a selection of up to 50 w.h.o.r.e.s to choose from. This is AFTER having 1 or 2 daytime sessions with regulars.
Want to see the difference between an RMB800 w.h.o.r.e and a RMB1,500 w.h.o.r.e from Maggies - take a look see yourselves - see why some of us up-scale?
Remember guys - we are all FREE to choose ANY w.h.o.r.e we WANT - and PAY her ANY amount we WANT.
Please see my post No. 2417 in Beijing thread - http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=716395#post716395
I agree that Maggies is getting TOO EXPENSIVE. Indeed I will be back in Tianjin on Mar 27 and 28 then fly to Shanghai to fly to Angeles City in Phils where the average w.h.o.r.e cost US$30 all night.
BUT
If I am in Beijing and in Maggies then I WILL take whichever girl I WANT and I WILL pay her whatever AMOUNT it takes to secure her.
Am looking forward to more contributions.
BBB,
No offense, but quite honestly I could not really tell the difference between the two pictures. One has bigger tits and shorter boots, but both have similar body builds/type.
I don't suppose you have a picture of their snatches too? Then maybe I will be able to tell the difference!
MAB
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-08, 05:55
BBB,
No offense, but quite honestly I could not really tell the difference between the two pictures. One has bigger tits and shorter boots, but both have similar body builds/type.
I don't suppose you have a picture of their snatches too? Then maybe I will be able to tell the difference!
MAB
No offence taken mate - we are ALL here for the 1 common cause.
I sure do have pussy pics - enjoy.
Mock A Bee
03-18-08, 06:23
No offence taken mate - we are ALL here for the 1 common cause.
I sure do have pussy pics - enjoy.
I think I need scratch and sniff now...
Excellent!
Thanks, MAB
Beijing Fox
03-18-08, 06:31
Got some 'time off' last night in BKK and went to my old hang-out MC2 under the Novotel in Siam Square.
I was on my own and after standing at a table sipping on my Singha I was soon joined by a sleek Thai maiden who seemed to have a great interest in my name, country, job, health, etc. As I always enjoy female companship when away from home, I invited her to a drink and we danced and chatted for some time. She was a 'true' Isaan girl with her parents sick, 5 brothers and sisters at school and a water buffalow that had just died. At one point she went to the washrooms, but somehow failed to resurface.
After 10 minutes or so another Isaan lady joined me at my table. She also with a great interest in my personal 'background'. Sure, she also got the drink, she asked for. We were just starting to discuss her water buffalow at home, when the first lady re-appeared - and she was not very pleased to find a competitor at the table.
The two ladies embarked on heated argument of hisses, when first one started to push the other, who in return slapped her in the face. When things started to escalate and the two soft and lovely sweeties were hitting at each other with fists and one of them grabed my Singha bottle to smash it on the other's head, I intervened trying to separate the two beauties. I only succeeded with the help of security staff and a plain cloth officer who suddenly appeared from among the crowds.
As a result, all three of us got kicked out from the establishment. I tried to argue that I hadn't started anything, but they didn't believe me at all . . .
The two beauties continued to argue in front of the entrance and I went home. So ended my night out in Bkk :-( . . . I just hope Sing will be better. How docile Chingis Khan's daughters are are compared to this? Or any other experiences?
BTW, who ever wants to visit MC2 in Bkk, be aware that there is at least one plain cloth officer on duty, i.e. if you're into recreational substances, don't bring them with you. - and of course, never use your credit card there, unless you want to dispute fake jewelry purchases with your card company later.
Otherwise, I was a bit disappointed by MC2. The music is getting worse and I believe to remember that there was more and better looking talent in the past.
Remember guys - we are all FREE to choose ANY w.h.o.r.e we WANT - and PAY her ANY amount we WANT.
Right on.
If I am in Beijing and in Maggies then I WILL take whichever girl I WANT and I WILL pay her whatever AMOUNT it takes to secure her.
Right on again.
In any case, this discussion is getting idiotic. Even the story about exploding prices is wrong. I've been here for 4 years. I've always paid 1000 instead of 800, because I want to reward good service. For an all-nighter, I pay extra according to performance. The girls know that. Word gets around. I don't even discuss money before we go. My prices have remained flat.
If a girl demands 3000 from a newbie tourist, all power to her if she gets it.
I've never been in a BBS. If I want dirt cheap sex, I can get it for free: my hand is my friend.
To each his own.
Beijing Fox
03-18-08, 08:39
Both not very well groomed. Notice the hair around the asshole. Not nice to lick. However, I would prefer the purple lips of 1500. Relatively dark, I would say. Looks cute. Is this a manifestation of the so-called 'Mongolian Spot' in adult females? Thank you for sharing this with us. Next time you take a photo, could you possibly expose the clitoris a bit more? It's the part I like most in women. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Bad Boy Billy]No offence taken mate - we are ALL here for the 1 common cause.
I sure do have pussy pics - enjoy.[/QUOTE
BBB,
No offense, but quite honestly I could not really tell the difference between the two pictures. One has bigger tits and shorter boots, but both have similar body builds/type.
I don't suppose you have a picture of their snatches too? Then maybe I will be able to tell the difference!
MAB
I know both girls, and it is true their bodies are very similar. The 800 RMB girl is a little older, and her face is not as pretty as the 1500 RMB girl. While I have not gone with either one of them, the 800 RMB girl is more fun to chat with in the bar, while the 1500 RMB girl knows she is pretty.
Sammy
I've always paid 1000 instead of 800, because I want to reward good service. For an all-nighter, I pay extra according to performance. The girls know that. Word gets around. I don't even discuss money before we go. My prices have remained flat.
I am the same as Zhuren - I never discuss price before taking a girl. If the girl brings up price it is typically someone who does not know me, and she will quote something crazy, like 1500 for short time. I will chat with her a while, but not go with her. I know that in the next couple of weeks she will get work that I am an OK guy, and not take that attitude. I pay the following:
800 for an uninspired short time experience
1000 for a good, unrushed experience
1200 for all night (I do not keep them for all night unless they pass the unrushed test)
1500 for an all night, mind blowing experienceWord does certainly get around. If you go to Maggie's more than a hand full of times then all of the girls know your complete story, especially if you are cheep or an ass.
While I have been in a BBS just for the experience, it has only been 1 time. I am certainly not opposed to paying less, but I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for.
Sammy
If you go to Maggie's more than a hand full of times then all of the girls know your complete story, especially if you are cheap or an ass.
That is very , very true. And you'll pay for it. Or worse, get snubbed.
The above works even with fresh off the plane from UB girls. They have a quick whisper session with their sisters, get a signal that the guy is cool (or not) and will proceed accordingly.
I feel discussing price beforehand avoids misunderstanding and trouble later.
Paying by performance is like playing russian roulette.
I have personally experienced and heard lot of stories from others of
unpleasant things which can happen if you do not discuss price,time
performance beforehand.
All the girls do stick to the price if agreed. Ofcourse they will ask for more
or extra tip etc. But if you stick to the original negotiations they will leave.
After all you are in a foreign country and you do not want any headaches.
Not to mention spoiling your good mood.
Ofcourse if you know the girl it is a different story.
Believe me even a girl with the school girl charm can turn into a Devil
when it comes to money.
So my advice is Negotiate before because it is a business deal.
Save yourself physical altercation, police and hotel security involvement,
Thugs looking for you etc.
Above all keep your good mood and enjoy.
I feel discussing price beforehand avoids misunderstanding and trouble later.
Paying by performance is like playing russian roulette.
I have personally experienced and heard lot of stories from others of
unpleasant things which can happen if you do not discuss price,time
performance beforehand.
All the girls do stick to the price if agreed. Ofcourse they will ask for more
or extra tip etc. But if you stick to the original negotiations they will leave.
After all you are in a foreign country and you do not want any headaches.
Not to mention spoiling your good mood.
Ofcourse if you know the girl it is a different story.
Believe me even a girl with the school girl charm can turn into a Devil
when it comes to money.
So my advice is Negotiate before because it is a business deal.
Save yourself physical altercation, police and hotel security involvement,
Thugs looking for you etc.
Above all keep your good mood and enjoy.#
All good advice, except for Maggie's experts.
1.) It's the safest place in Beijing, if not all of China. There will be NO thugs or fake "police" knocking at your door.
2.) If you negotiate too much, you expose yourself as a newbie.
3.) Go to the girl, say: "Let's go." If she doesn't know you, or doesn't know someone who does, she will ask: "How much will you pay me?" You answer: "The usual. 1000. There may be a tip for good service. I'm in a nice 5 star with no stupid security guards. Get your coat."
#
All good advice, except for Maggie's experts.
1.) It's the safest place in Beijing, if not all of China. There will be NO thugs or fake "police" knocking at your door.
2.) If you negotiate too much, you expose yourself as a newbie.
3.) Go to the girl, say: "Let's go." If she doesn't know you, or doesn't know someone who does, she will ask: "How much will you pay me?" You answer: "The usual. 1000. There may be a tip for good service. I'm in a nice 5 star with no stupid security guards. Get your coat."
Bada Bing!
I have never discussed a price with a Maggie's girl prior to leaving the joint, and always pay about what I think is fair for the performance, and I have my share of regulars that want to know when I am coming back to BJ.
The Tanuki
03-18-08, 16:40
If you go to Maggie's more than a hand full of times then all of the girls know your complete story, especially if you are cheep or an ass.
While I have been in a BBS just for the experience, it has only been 1 time. I am certainly not opposed to paying less, but I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for.
Sammy
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the last 25 years in bars and *****houses in quite a few places around the world, I think you do get what you pay for, WHEN you know what you're paying for. That's how we decide for ourselves what is a reasonable value.
For me, I've checked out a number of the venues around Beijing, and I happen to like it a lot at Maggie's. Why? I've gotten to know quite a few of the bartenders there, many of the PRC girls who work there, I like shooting a little pool and the music is pretty fun. I've taken home several of the girls there and had some good, one not so hot and a couple really hot nights. The whole environment there is fun, and I have a good time there hanging out. On the plus side, I've had some really good sex. It's a good package and I'll go back there next time I'm in town, though probably not every night...
Glad to see that not everyone likes the same thing. That would really suck if we had 15,000 guys lining up for 3 girls.
Tankuki
World Guy Sh
03-18-08, 17:30
how about, lets encourage our Flipper and Thai sisters to infiltrate Beijing instead of only providing good times for those in Shanghai and HK (down south). I seemed to kick off a discussion on the AG Shanghai thread about pricing and general view is the same thing is happening in Shanghai. At least on the main Tongren Lu strip. Inflation, more people visiting (tourists), prices going up. China seen as 'rich world' versus the Phils. Got a shock a couple of weeks ago and then a stupid 1500 short term (no budging) last weekend from a Flipper. I walked on that one.
Chinese girls seem to be asking nearer 1000.
Perhaps it is just time we asked for larger pay rises as well. That would be an interesting discussion.
WGS
SidTheSexist
03-18-08, 18:01
Glad to see that not everyone likes the same thing. That would really suck if we had 15,000 guys lining up for 3 girls.
Couldn't resist! :D:D:D
Sid
but I am a firm believer that you get what you pay for.
Sammy
I don't agree, I think Beijing generally sucks as compared to Southern China.
I still remember last time in Beijing I paid 500 for ST at a streetside stall and it was absolutely awful sex, after 10 minutes she wanted to stop.
On the other hand in Southern China I have had very good girls for 150-200 RMB. Many of them don't come from villages, but from smaller towns in the North or from Hunan. I have never seen an attractive girl in Beijing who could be had for 200 RMB.
Beijing is generally a shitty city, the air quality is shitty, the city is too large, traffic is shitty, there is police everywhere. Now in summer you will have the stinking Olympics, which is nothing but some weird nationalistic commie propaganda display that wastes taxpayer's money. Good luck in Beijing this summer, when all the dumb Joe Sixpacks from around the world come to see their ballgames, willing to pay way over the market rate.
No offence taken mate - we are ALL here for the 1 common cause. I sure do have pussy pics - enjoy.Hi Bad Boy Billy,
I think you made you mistake when posting the pussy RMB1500.
The pic of the girl RMB1500 was taken in March 2008 while the pussy RMB1500 belongs to a girl posted in June 2007.
Please be correct (honest) in your postings.
Cheers
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-08, 22:06
I still remember last time in Beijing I paid 500 for ST at a streetside stall and it was absolutely awful sex, after 10 minutes she wanted to stop.You paid RMB500 for this experience yet you lecture others about overpaying - a tad contradictory don't you think? Hang on - wouldn't that make an 800 all nighter frrom Maggies cheap?
Beijing is generally a shitty city, the air quality is shitty, the city is too large, traffic is shitty, there is police everywhere. Now in summer you will have the stinking Olympics, which is nothing but some weird nationalistic commie propaganda display that wastes taxpayer's money. Good luck in Beijing this summer, when all the dumb Joe Sixpacks from around the world come to see their ballgames, willing to pay way over the market rate.Why hold back? Why not tell us EXACTLY what your thoughts are?
For me, I've checked out a number of the venues around Beijing, and I happen to like it a lot at Maggie's. Why? ...........The whole environment there is fun, and I have a good time there hanging out. On the plus side, I've had some really good sex. It's a good package and I'll go back there next time I'm in town, though probably not every night...
Glad to see that not everyone likes the same thing. That would really suck if we had 15,000 guys lining up for 3 girls.TankukiAmen brother - got it in a nutshell.
I am the same as Zhuren - I never discuss price before taking a girl. SammyBilly ALWAYS clarifies PRICE and PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS with EVERY gil before taking her - even repeats / regulars - even if it as simple as 'same as last time' or 'standard 800 / 1,000 and you stay til midday'.
I know both girls, and it is true their bodies are very similar. The 800 RMB girl is a little older, and her face is not as pretty as the 1500 RMB girl. While I have not gone with either one of them, the 800 RMB girl is more fun to chat with in the bar, while the 1500 RMB girl knows she is pretty.SammyIYHO of course my friend - seriously - fairly accurate assesment - except 1,500 girl just melted to an angel after the 'pussy licking' episode.
Next time you take a photo, could you possibly expose the clitoris a bit more? It's the part I like most in women. Thanks.Absolutely mate - next time I am naked with a w.h.o.r.e I will stop and think "now what would BF want me to do for him right now"......
But seriously guys..................fantastic to have some genuine varied contributions by so many...............and aint it all so great that we aLL view DIFFERENT women DIFFERENTLY.
To me their was a chasm in difference between the body types of both girls yet some of you guys rate them similar..................isn't that what it's all about?
I like A - you like B - I think A is worth $X - you think B is worth more - god I love it - keep up the good work boys.
Just all of you promise one thing - treat ALL the girls as SPECIAL ladies - they do provide us with OPPORTUNITIES and ENJOYMENT that most probably we DO NOT DESERVE.
Bad Boy Billy
03-18-08, 22:42
Seems like I fucked up this post somehow - best I delete it.
Just all of you promise one thing - treat ALL the girls as SPECIAL ladies - they do provide us with OPPORTUNITIES and ENJOYMENT that most probably we DO NOT DESERVE.
Agree 100%!
Beijing is generally a shitty city, the air quality is shitty, the city is too large, traffic is shitty, there is police everywhere. ...
... yes, and all of us who live here are shitheaded, dumbfucked shmucks. Please leave us alone in our misery. We'd like to grieve undisturbed.
Please be correct (honest) in your postings.
And who might you be to call BBB dishonest?
That's right, the little wanker who goes on griping about other people's pictures, and who contributes absolutely nothing.
Bad Boy Billy
03-19-08, 04:51
I think you made you mistake when posting the pussy RMB1500........the pussy RMB1500 belongs to a girl posted in June 2007.........
Please be correct (honest) in your postings.PauloThai - You are indeed 100% correct.
I have just checked and rechecked - the pic I posted of the RMB1,500 pussy was in fact not correct.
This pussy indeed belonged to a girl from last year - as i downloaded the pics from last visit there was some crossover of picture numbering and I mixed 2 lots of pics with almost identical numbers. I thought I had sorted them but alas - even an expert like me can occasionally get something wrong.
Still it is only the second mistake in my life - the first was when I DID NOT take that 5'10" black girl from Zimbabwe that I saw in Brix in Singapore last year.
PauloThai - please check this pic for me - it is the closest pussy pic I can find for the RMB1,500 girl - please check it for me - please advise board if you concur as to it's 'time line integrity'.
PS - I did have a close-up but for the life of me cannot now find it.
SE Asia Joe
03-19-08, 05:03
OK - First thing First - I am NOT trying to flame anybody or want to cause offense to anybody here. But.....
Are you guys serious? Or is this just a case of "Maggie Fever?"
Your detailed discussions/postings on the relative merits of 800/1500 WG's, modus operandi on what/how to pay, apologies to one of your Mongolian Princesses who complained about being treated like.... a.... w.h.o.r.e. by you guys, repeated reference to one Mongol or another ...all borders... on the ridiculous!
What - the 50 Mongolians in Maggie's are the ONLY gals in Beijing?
OK OK OK, they may be the best to you- but don't you guys ever go out and sniff the air outside?
Sorry - really sorry - from someone who've not been back to BJ for at least a couple years. But when I used to wonder around BJ, Maggie's would be at the bottom of my mongering destination. There is - or rather, was I guess - just so many other better venues and activities that I fail to understand you guy'ses fixation with this place and with this place only.
And you guys can also jump on me for wanting more varied info on the mongering scene in BJ - as you guessed that I probably just need such info for the next time I am in BJ. Well you are 100% CORRECT!! All I get when I RTFF about Beijing, welll... all I get is Maggie's - now how the hell am I gonna keep myself nicely occupied when I'm in BJ next??!!
Peace, Paix and please don't put on your jack boots when you jump all over me.
Thanks
SE Asia Joe
ps. is it that you guys are all true Laowais/ not ABC's? Are any of you locals/know locals who can take you around to other places?
this thread today is cracking me up....
that picture that BBB posted of a 1500 rmb girl - who cares when it was taken ? I'd hit that for 1500, 8 days a week.
If any of you guys remember (maybe she is still around) Cici, who was maybe the sexiest dancer in world history at HRC - she'd always be dancing by herself, and would ALWAYS be checking herself out in the mirrors - I gave her 2000 most of the time. A face that would cause jaws to drop. She was just fun to be with; perfect eye candy.
Pretty rough crowd here today - I'll probably get flamed for paying sky high rates. Tough cookies
Bad Boy Billy
03-19-08, 05:33
OK - First thing First - I am NOT trying to flame anybody or want to cause offense to anybody here. But.....
Are you guys serious? Or is this just a case of "Maggie Fever?"
Your detailed discussions/postings on the relative merits of 800/1500 WG's, modus operandi on what/how to pay, apologies to one of your Mongolian Princess who complained about being treated like.... a.... w.h.o.r.e. by you guys, repeated reference to one Mongol or another ...all... borders... on the ridiculous!
What - the 50 Mongolians in Maggie's are the ONLY gals in Beijing?
OK OK OK, they may be the best to you- but don't you guys ever go out and sniff the air outside?
Sorry - really sorry - from someone who've not been back to BJ for at least a couple years. But when I used to wonder around BJ, Maggie's would be at the bottom of my mongering destination. There is - or rather, was I guess - just so many otehr better venues and activities that I fail to understand you guy'ses fixation with this place and with this place only.
And you guys can also jump on me for wanting more varied info on the mongering scene in BJ - as you guessed that I probably just need such info for the next time I am in BJ. Well you are 100% CORRECT!! All I get when I RTFF about Beijing, all I get is Maggie's - now how the hell am I gonna keep myself nicely occupied when I'm in BJ next??!!
Peace, Paix and please don't out on your jack boots when you jump all over me. Thanks
SE Asia Joe
ps. is it that you guys are all true Laowais/ not ABC's?
You certainly WILL NOT get jumped all over - we do read YOUR reports - you DO have substance.
2 points:
1. Firstly mate - I am Australian - white anglo saxon - 6th generation - Irish / Swedish blood.
2. Just wait til you get back to Beijing in your hunt for w.h.o.r.e.s - 2 years you say? In the last 2 years I have been in Beijing 16 times - if there were DECENT alternatives to Maggies be assured my friend I would found them.
I look forward to your report POST your next Beijing visit.
Transmuter
03-19-08, 05:39
The world looks blue and green.
I'm in SFO and desperately missing Maggies. I cannot attend the re-opening. Yesterday during dinner _ appr. 11a China time (on a Monday! ) a girl from M called me and I had to tell her sorry, I'm away.
Stop 800/1500 discussions, before or after, pay 800 to 1000 and be nice to everyone, don't call BJ a shitty city, enjoy or stay away!
If somebody has advise for me in SFO, I'd appreciate to hear (I've been here last timew 7 years ago.)
T
this thread today is cracking me up....
that picture that BBB posted of a 1500 rmb girl - who cares when it was taken ? I'd hit that for 1500, 8 days a week.
If any of you guys remember (maybe she is still around) Cici, who was maybe the sexiest dancer in world history at HRC - she'd always be dancing by herself, and would ALWAYS be checking herself out in the mirrors - I gave her 2000 most of the time. A face that would cause jaws to drop. She was just fun to be with; perfect eye candy.
Pretty rough crowd here today - I'll probably get flamed for paying sky high rates. Tough cookies
I remember Cici, and actually spoke to her at Hard Rock last time I was there - but that was probably 6 months ago. Not only is she beautiful and sexy, but she is also very friendly if you could get up the nerve to go talk to her. Another example of "you get what you pay for", as she was worth every penny.
I have noticed some of the standard Hard Rock crowd has been hanging out at Maggie's while the Hard Rock is being renovated. I have not seen Cici, but maybe she will resurface when the Hard Rock re-opens.
Sammy
Bad Boy Billy
03-19-08, 05:58
I have noticed some of the standard Hard Rock crowd has been hanging out at Maggie's while the Hard Rock is being renovated. I have not seen Cici, but maybe she will resurface when the Hard Rock re-opens.
SammyCi Ci was working The Den when I was in Beijing in Jan.
She was with another Chinese girl from Xi'an.
She told me Hard Rock business was so bad she shifted to The Den.
Did not see her there 2 weeks ago and I was in The Den 4 nights.
Beijing Fox
03-19-08, 06:56
My company has an interesting incentive/motivation program for senior managers. After out meeting proceeded to Kabuki Karaoke in Heersen(?) Tower.
Kabuki Karaoke is a bit different from Karaoke in Beijing. After selecting the girls, they didn't waste much time with dice etc, but first took care of releasing our male tension. I.e., after 15 min all 5 of us were being 'fucked' by our girls in the same room. Some got a blowjob, I was reclining on a couch, my dick sticking out of my pants and my girl was riding me until I came.
Once the introduction was over, it reverted to ordinary karaoke with singing and drinking. My girl was a nice cutie from Vietnam with good body and good looks and good English. Actually she was so cute that after an hour or so we slipped into the neighbouring room that was empty and had another pop.
We, 5 people, left after 3 hours, two bottles of Chivas and two pops each. Total damage Sing$4000 - paid by the company.
OK - First thing First - I am NOT trying to flame anybody or want to cause offense to anybody here. But.....
Are you guys serious? Or is this just a case of "Maggie Fever?"
Your detailed discussions/postings on the relative merits of 800/1500 WG's, modus operandi on what/how to pay, apologies to one of your Mongolian Princess who complained about being treated like.... a.... w.h.o.r.e. by you guys, repeated reference to one Mongol or another ...all... borders... on the ridiculous!
What - the 50 Mongolians in Maggie's are the ONLY gals in Beijing?
OK OK OK, they may be the best to you- but don't you guys ever go out and sniff the air outside?
Sorry - really sorry - from someone who've not been back to BJ for at least a couple years. But when I used to wonder around BJ, Maggie's would be at the bottom of my mongering destination. There is - or rather, was I guess - just so many otehr better venues and activities that I fail to understand you guy'ses fixation with this place and with this place only.
And you guys can also jump on me for wanting more varied info on the mongering scene in BJ - as you guessed that I probably just need such info for the next time I am in BJ. Well you are 100% CORRECT!! All I get when I RTFF about Beijing, all I get is Maggie's - now how the hell am I gonna keep myself nicely occupied when I'm in BJ next??!!
Peace, Paix and please don't out on your jack boots when you jump all over me. Thanks
SE Asia Joe
ps. is it that you guys are all true Laowais/ not ABC's?
I am a "true laowai" living in Beijing. The Beijing thread certainly contains a lot of Maggie's chatter, BUT recent posts have also covered Hollywood as well as several saunas. In addition there have been a few posts about KTVs with takeaway.
Even though most westerners who spend a lot of time in Beijing can hack our way through a conversation in Chinese it is still difficult to navagate the "local" places that are not foreigner friendly. I am happy to check such places out if an ABC brother wants to join me!
(and yes, I regret my apoligy to the long gone complainer, but I suffer from the "I want everyone to like me" disease)
Sammy
Sebastian My
03-19-08, 09:28
ok - first thing first - i am not trying to flame anybody or want to cause offense to anybody here. but.....
are you guys serious? or is this just a case of "maggie fever?"
what - the 50 mongolians in maggie's are the only gals in beijing?
ok ok ok, they may be the best to you- but don't you guys ever go out and sniff the air outside?
sorry - really sorry - from someone who've not been back to bj for at least a couple years. but when i used to wonder around bj, maggie's would be at the bottom of my mongering destination. there is - or rather, was i guess - just so many other better venues and activities that i fail to understand you guy'ses fixation with this place and with this place only.
peace, paix and please don't put on your jack boots when you jump all over me.
thanks
se asia joe
ps. is it that you guys are all true laowais/ not abc's? are any of you locals/know locals who can take you around to other places?
this topic has been raised before and you do raise several good points, which i will make a personal attempt to answer.
1.maggies is a very unusual place, its sort of like my local back home in camberley, but with young good looking chinese girls to talk to and mongolians to <you know what> thrown in as an added service - sort of like dart's night, or as my aussie friends would say "a chook raffle". coupled with that its been around (in various locations) for at least the last 10 years that i have been coming to beijing, its safe, free of raids (the business model does not affect the local police because there is no improper activity occurring involving locals and is owned or part owned by a policeman - not sure about that one) and is an excellent meeting place. for people who have to work in beijing with only local folks, its good to go to a western-friendly bar occassionaly. (i tend to get sick of the fried scorpions and maitai). i have also been told the atmosphere is perfect for the sort of chaps which frequent the place – older than 45.
2.saying all of that, i actually don't tend to target maggies if i on a search and copulate mission. there are many other good places around, apart from the normal monger trail <pig, den, hard rock, hollywood and ending up at maggies>. the problem with this city is a lot of these other “more local” places tend to close, move and reopen as frequently as most of us have hot dinners. i have a stack of business cards of local ktv's and bar, of which none are still around. so its a very dynamic process which requires local contacts and effort and has a limited shelf life. that's the problem with beijing – there is action out there, its just finding it.
3.language is also an issue – i know some pudongwa, but not enough to ask for the special [CodeWord103] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord103), cossack meets the peasant girl service. a good example is the last time i went to a high class massage/ktv i was given a menu (in chinese) with phrases like “car wash”.(i could be wrong as i don't read much chinese, but that's what i think it said) what the fuck is a car wash!!! i assume its something immoral – but with a price tag of about rm1200 what if its actually a couple of guys who come around to wash your car. too risky.
4.i also have the fear that every time i put a posting in for some place which offers immoral services, it closes down soon after. could be my imagination, but i tend to be more careful with my postings these days.
5.also – if the guys who go to maggies are like me, they have been in town for a long time and spend a lot of time in beijing. thus, most of them have a small number of regulars which they use to satisfy there animal lusts, thus maggies tends to be a more “target of opportunity” type of place, just in case you feel like a bonk after a few beers.
6. finally there are the mongolians – they tend to be unique. while not my bag i do understand why many guys go crazy about mongolians.
SE Asia Joe
03-19-08, 09:54
Sebastian My, BB Billy, Sammy T - thank you very much for your replies and explanation. You guys are true gentlemen.
Regards
SEA Joe
El Frances
03-19-08, 10:22
Hi!
I'll be in Beijing from this week-end. The combination of: outrageous prices/I have to wake-up early to work/I don't need someone to talk to, only sex/anyway I think Chinese girls are more pretty than Mongolian girls/ leads me to exclude Maggies from my preference list.
I read somewhere about outcall services (it seems to be 300 for massage+HJ, 500 to 600 for FS, plus taxi money). From what I read, people seemed to be very happy with this option.
I will try and let you know about my experience.
Last year in Beijing, I used the Wangfujing area mamasan who found me a girl exactly as I like for 500 ST (of course, she did not speak english). She first showed me girls I did not like, then phoned another girl who was there 10 mn later. Nothing exceptional with service, but good attitude from the girl. And exactly the age, face, smile, and body I like. I guess I will try again this mamasan.
Any experience with this option from other members ? was it the right price?
The advantage of this option is that you can see the girl before you take her to your room.
My other option has been in Discos. I find Chinese girls in laowei patronized places such as the Pig, Den, HR etc...are too old for my taste. In Chinese discos I often found young girls who were willing to have sex for money. It was not so cheap (around 800 ST, 1000 LT) but some of them were real stunners.
Beijing Fox
03-19-08, 10:31
Hi!
I often found young girls who were willing to have sex for money. It was not so cheap (around 800 ST, 1000 LT) but some of them were real stunners.
This is an interesting option. Can you elaborate? What discos? How do you spot the willing ones? Do you need to speak Chinese?
The world looks blue and green.
I'm in SFO and desperately missing Maggies. I cannot attend the re-opening. Yesterday during dinner _ appr. 11a China time (on a Monday! ) a girl from M called me and I had to tell her sorry, I'm away.
Stop 800/1500 discussions, before or after, pay 800 to 1000 and be nice to everyone, don't call BJ a shitty city, enjoy or stay away!
If somebody has advise for me in SFO, I'd appreciate to hear (I've been here last timew 7 years ago.)
TTry Fremont or San Jose.
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This is an interesting option. Can you elaborate? What discos? How do you spot the willing ones? Do you need to speak Chinese?
You can go to Banana disco near Scitech Plaza. I have been approached by some students willing to make pocket money, and once took one back home: young, fresh and top body. Attitude OK. They usually look like the girl next door, so not easy to spot unless they come to you.
Careful! The ones who directly come to you are often here to earn money by making you buy them drinks or by chatting with you (as chinese girls in M)
All in all, it may not work every time, but in my opinion worth when it does...
Also had the same experience in a more "local" disco near Carefour (the one at international exhibition center, near Sanyuan bridge). This disco is interesting because the entry is free for foreigners... I've been there several times but here again, it is hit and miss. So if you absolutly want to f*ck, disco maybe not a place to go, success rate is in my opinion too low.
El Frances
03-19-08, 11:59
I've done it in Banana, and another disco I forgot the name of which was about east of The Den. I think it applies to any big disco.
Some are regular WG, others are "dancers" (they ask money for dancing with customers, usually 200 Yuan). Sometimes the "dancers" want to make more money and also offer sex. They are the best option but not the easiest one (it often doesn't work, I must admit). Not all of them do it, and when they do it, they don't want other people to know they do it (Ah!Ah!).
My MO is first to spot the dancing girls, stay around and show some interest, and then slowly move to another place. It happens sometimes that a "dancer" will approach you and you can convince her to have sex with you (rather expect ST). Sometimes it works, sometimes nobody comes to see you. In this case you can still try another option.
In Banana, they usually have one or two WG speaking english, but not the most pretty. A fat small girl may also approach you to introduce to you some WG who doesn't speak english.
Sometimes I found freebies who want to know foreigners, but never beautifull girls (but OK, young with wet pussy§)
Never pay a girl to dance with you (unless you want to pay someone for dancing with you)! You will not have more chance to fuck her if you do so. You will just get horny for nothing (well, that's my experience).
I don't speak much Chinese, so it's not so easy for me. I had my best experiences in Beijing this way and also many times found nothing exceptional. So usually I try this option first, and if it doesn't work switch to another option.
The Tanuki
03-19-08, 12:01
What - the 50 Mongolians in Maggie's are the ONLY gals in Beijing?
OK OK OK, they may be the best to you- but don't you guys ever go out and sniff the air outside?
I picked up a PRC girl over at the Pig recently. Nice long legs and she was a very good couple of nights worth of humping, including CIM (went back with her on an excursion to the Forbidden City and Sanlitun a few days later). She got sorta "clingy" with me, all the while talking about her boyfriend moving to Beijing soon, which got annoying. Sammy T saw some of that one night...
Looked at the Den a few times and it was always dead. The Sanlitun street behind Yashow has some promise, but not a lot of unattached girls around from what I saw. I did see some pairs of girls hanging out in the pubs, and that put a seed of evil thought in the old grey matter. I might get some time to explore that a bit next time over.
Sorry - really sorry - from someone who've not been back to BJ for at least a couple years. But when I used to wonder around BJ, Maggie's would be at the bottom of my mongering destination. There is - or rather, was I guess - just so many other better venues and activities that I fail to understand you guy'ses fixation with this place and with this place only.
I put on my ruby red slippers and whisper "there's no place like home," and the taxi driver just dumps me off in front of Maggie's. It's kharma, dude.
Tankuki
The Tanuki
03-19-08, 12:14
my mo is first to spot the dancing girls, stay around and show some interest, and then slowly move to another place. it happens sometimes that a "dancer" will approach you and you can convince her to have sex with you (rather expect st). sometimes it works, sometimes nobody comes to see you. in this case you can still try another option.
in banana, they usually have one or two wg speaking english, but not the most pretty. a fat small girl may also approach you to introduce to you some wg who doesn't speak english.
sometimes i found freebies who want to know foreigners, but never beautifull girls (but ok, young with wet pussy§)
glad to hear you get some success with this. please keep posting about it!
for me, really, it's a matter of achieving specific goals anymore, such as getting my eyes fucked out. there are a lot of cuties walking around beijing, a zillion more here in tokyo. i'm not interested in spending a lot of time in the chase, plus my wife would tend to get peeved at me. when i go out on biz trips, i'm on my own, so i read up on isg and go locate some wg's and make a pick from there. who knows though? if there's a decent market in other types of venues it could be worth exploring as well.
cheers!
tankuki
Boys, I may have hit the mother lode. I've had dozens of conversations with taxi drivers about where to find xiaojie, but usually in Beijing they just say Sanlitun or suggest some hotel. These are weak options for reasons that don't need explaining to most of you.
But on Friday, I finally got some semi-specific information about where the locals go for good value. I keep busy with a regular girl and haven't checked it out yet, so I offer it up here as mainly a challenge to some more highly motivated mongerers to explore, though I'll prob check it out myself eventually.
It's an area in Tongzhou district, in eastern Beijing. The place is called Yanjiao (Yan4jiao1) 燕郊。 It's well outside the fifth ring road and is probablya 30-40min cab ride from the city center. I was told you can enjoy young girls for around Rmb150 or less.
Obviously, it will help to speak some Chinese because I don't know where in this little area the girls are. It's possible random taxi drivers will know, but you may have to ask around once you actually arrive. My guess is that there will be a lot of barbershops and MPs, but I think there may also be girls and/or mamasans on the street at the right hours (I would say arrive around 9-10pm any night).
I won't lie: this won't be easy, and it won't be an evening at Maggie's. It could even be a disaster, but my instinct tells me it could be amazing. We all know that Chinese people with lower incomes than us are also mongering, but local knowledge is so hard to find.
I'm curious to see if some young ISG turk can bring back the goods on this place using only his own pluck. On the other hand, if someone did wants to check it out with me on Friday or Saturday, I could be convinced to go with a group of special agents. So PM me if you're interested.
For those who want to scout out for themselves, here's a map (if you're going to print for use in a taxi, I suggest zooming out 1-2 notches):
http://maps.baidu.com/#word=%D1%E0%BD%BC%D5%F2&ct=40&bs=010&sid=MAPPJGQIXOFBCWDRT&
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Beijing Fox
03-19-08, 16:01
Thanks for your advice
I've done it in Banana, and another disco I forgot the name of which was about east of The Den. I think it applies to any big disco.
Some are regular WG, others are "dancers" (they ask money for dancing with customers, usually 200 Yuan). Sometimes the "dancers" want to make more money and also offer sex. They are the best option but not the easiest one (it often doesn't work, I must admit). Not all of them do it, and when they do it, they don't want other people to know they do it (Ah!Ah!).
My MO is first to spot the dancing girls, stay around and show some interest, and then slowly move to another place. It happens sometimes that a "dancer" will approach you and you can convince her to have sex with you (rather expect ST). Sometimes it works, sometimes nobody comes to see you. In this case you can still try another option.
In Banana, they usually have one or two WG speaking english, but not the most pretty. A fat small girl may also approach you to introduce to you some WG who doesn't speak english.
Sometimes I found freebies who want to know foreigners, but never beautifull girls (but OK, young with wet pussy§)
Never pay a girl to dance with you (unless you want to pay someone for dancing with you)! You will not have more chance to fuck her if you do so. You will just get horny for nothing (well, that's my experience).
I don't speak much Chinese, so it's not so easy for me. I had my best experiences in Beijing this way and also many times found nothing exceptional. So usually I try this option first, and if it doesn't work switch to another option.
Thursday, March 20th, the all new Maggies will finally see the light. A big party is being planned to commemorate the event.
ISG had a little preview:
- a big rectangular bar, reminiscent of the Worker's Stadium layout, but bigger and with a better all-round view, dominates the place.
- cozy couch areas all around
- the mens (and women ...) toilets (we've inspected those too in the name of thorough fact checking ...) are decorated with lewd bathroom pictures. We've seen those before in other establishments, but they are entertaining and inspiring.
My company has an interesting incentive/motivation program for senior managers. After out meeting proceeded to Kabuki Karaoke in Heersen(?) Tower.
Kabuki Karaoke is a bit different from Karaoke in Beijing. After selecting the girls, they didn't waste much time with dice etc, but first took care of releasing our male tension. I.e., after 15 min all 5 of us were being 'fucked' by our girls in the same room. Some got a blowjob, I was reclining on a couch, my dick sticking out of my pants and my girl was riding me until I came.
Once the introduction was over, it reverted to ordinary karaoke with singing and drinking. My girl was a nice cutie from Vietnam with good body and good looks and good English. Actually she was so cute that after an hour or so we slipped into the neighbouring room that was empty and had another pop.
We, 5 people, left after 3 hours, two bottles of Chivas and two pops each. Total damage Sing$4000 - paid by the company.
Where do I send my resume?
El Frances
03-19-08, 21:29
By the way. These girls (at least the pros) know how much laowei pay in Maggies and will first try this price with you. So please, don't spoil prices there too!
Bad Boy Billy
03-19-08, 21:56
I know many of you are getting sick of Billy's continuous posting and as I probably WILL NOT be back in Beijing until July then the Beijing thread will be a 'Billy Free Zone' for the next couple of months.
As I indicated a couple of weeks ago - Beijing in general and Maggies in particular is becoming TOO EXPENSIVE for 'general mongering' - and hence I will seek greener / cheaper fields in other countries.
On Mar 26 I will fly to Nanjing for 1 night then onto Tianjin on Mar 27 for 2 nights. Normally I would then head to Beijing for 3 or 4 nights but not this time.
At 5pm on Mar 29 I fly Tianjin to Hongqiao - then taxi from Hongqiao to Pudong - at 00.30 on Mar 30 I fly from Pudong to Manila arriving approx 04.00. Then taxi to Angeles City 1.5hrs.
Angeles City as many know has 150+ bars all with bikini clad girls dancing/prancing attempting to attract your attention. Some of these bars are open 24hrs - perfect scenario for mongering activities.
Main points of difference between Beijing and Angeles for Billy:
1. Accomodation cost - China World Hotel Beijing US$250 night / Pacific Breeze Hotel Angeles City US$85 night
2. Cost of girls - Beijing 2 to 3 girls each day ave cost US$110 / Angeles City 2 to 6 girls each day ave cost US$30 each
YES YES YES I know - comparing apples to oranges - I am just making the point - there are alternatives at MUCH cheaper prices for those of us LUCKY enough to take ADVANTAGE of these OPPORTUNITIES.
In my absence guys - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - all those couch experts who condemn the postings / reportings of the smallish band of seemingly 'Maggies supporters' get to Beijing - get out and about - and for fucks sake report some ACCURATE, MEANINGFUL, HELPFUL, INCITEFUL information on ALTERNATIVES to Maggies for those of us who WOULD frequent ALTERNATIVES if we knew that ANY EXISTED.
I look forward to reading about these new places that have not been reported on before.
Personally - I am not holding my breath to learn about any alternatives we have missed - indeed on my return I am betting that Maggies is STILL going to be the No.1 bar / pick-up location for WESTERNERS wanting to see ALL the merchandise on offer - then SELECT / NEGOTIATE directly with the girl - a custom that I personally find PERFECT.
Have fun guys - keep safe - treat the girls well.
Beijing Fox
03-19-08, 23:21
I think I'll try it on the weekend. Go around 12:00, fish for say 2 hours, and, if I don't catch anything, go to Maggie's later to net something there.
Petri Heil
I've done it in Banana, and another disco I forgot the name of which was about east of The Den. I think it applies to any big disco.
Some are regular WG, others are "dancers" (they ask money for dancing with customers, usually 200 Yuan). Sometimes the "dancers" want to make more money and also offer sex. They are the best option but not the easiest one (it often doesn't work, I must admit). Not all of them do it, and when they do it, they don't want other people to know they do it (Ah!Ah!).
My MO is first to spot the dancing girls, stay around and show some interest, and then slowly move to another place. It happens sometimes that a "dancer" will approach you and you can convince her to have sex with you (rather expect ST). Sometimes it works, sometimes nobody comes to see you. In this case you can still try another option.
In Banana, they usually have one or two WG speaking english, but not the most pretty. A fat small girl may also approach you to introduce to you some WG who doesn't speak english.
Sometimes I found freebies who want to know foreigners, but never beautifull girls (but OK, young with wet pussy§)
Never pay a girl to dance with you (unless you want to pay someone for dancing with you)! You will not have more chance to fuck her if you do so. You will just get horny for nothing (well, that's my experience).
I don't speak much Chinese, so it's not so easy for me. I had my best experiences in Beijing this way and also many times found nothing exceptional. So usually I try this option first, and if it doesn't work switch to another option.
The Tanuki
03-20-08, 02:45
Hey, you guys wanna play in the big league? Try this chick from CL:
http://beijing.craigslist.com.cn/ers/611121828.html
A bargain starting at $1800. Woo Hoo!
Outside of this crap, has anyone been trying the girls out who advertise on CL or the expatriates.com sites? I took a shot at one who called herself Fiona back in January. Didn't look much like the babe pix on the web, but she was not bad. Kinda rushed things, but ended up paying too much for FS with CIM at 1500 RMB.
Tankuki
But on Friday, I finally got some semi-specific information about where the locals go for good value. I keep busy with a regular girl and haven't checked it out yet, so I offer it up here as mainly a challenge to some more highly motivated mongerers to explore, though I'll prob check it out myself eventually.
It's an area in Tongzhou district, in eastern Beijing. The place is called Yanjiao (Yan4jiao1) 燕郊。 It's well outside the fifth ring road and is probablya 30-40min cab ride from the city center. I was told you can enjoy young girls for around Rmb150 or less.
Obviously, it will help to speak some Chinese because I don't know where in this little area the girls are. It's possible random taxi drivers will know, but you may have to ask around once you actually arrive. My guess is that there will be a lot of barbershops and MPs, but I think there may also be girls and/or mamasans on the street at the right hours (I would say arrive around 9-10pm any night).
Gaoshou, I have been to Yanjiao (燕郊 ), here are my comments on the place:
1) the red spot on your location map is not at the good place. It is even easier to find. Take expressway to Tongzhou (be careful, it separates in 2 roads at the end, take the one on the left). After the tollgate, keep left to take Jingha expressway (京哈高速 ). At the end of the expressway, you are in Yanjiao main road (which is actually national road 102). On this east-west axle ONLY (and in nearby small perpendicular roads) can be found some action, so don’t lose time to search somewhere else. I have a car, but I guess a taxi ride from east 3rd ring will cost at least 120rmb, expressway fee included (10+5).
2) According to my experience, you won’t find any mamasan on the street at any time of the night, the place looks actually pretty dead after 10pm, except big trucks on their way to Beijing. The action is mostly made of KTVs (take-out can be expected, just make it clear from beginning, seems to be 600LT, there is a very nice and brand new 4star hotel for 370/night in Yanjiao), Saunas (see below), and some BBS (there’s a small perpendicular street in the west end of the town with several BBS, but never tried).
3) You will find many saunas on both sides of the main road (洗溶 ) of Yanjiao: you want to go where locals go, be prepared to experience local hygiene too ;-). If you already think Beijing saunas are not so clean, you’d better forget those, or at least directly go upstairs without going to the shower area…
I have tried 2, both on the north side of the road. The first one was a small “family business” from Dongbei, nice people but girls were not young. Found a 25yo girl from the south who had to close her shop and find other ways to make money. FS for 160, good attitude but no extra, GFE or others. You can get the whole menu fire and ice, etc for 300.
The second one was as clean as the first one (!) but much more impressive in terms of choice. Arriving upstairs to the common rest room, you will find yourself in the middle of dozens of girls sitting on line-up sofas, walking around, trying to sell their charms to customers. I’ve never seen something similar in Beijing area (I mean this quantity and density), it makes me think of some KTV in south China. Paid FS 160 for a big rack girl, menu was 320. Take your time to chose, there are not only young and pretty girls there… This place is quite easy to find: arriving from Beijing, it is about 100m from the end of Jingha expressway, north-east corner of a small crossroad. You can find the red 洗溶 sign on the side of the main road, but the sauna is located behind the first line of building along the road. Taxis are waiting nearby, and there are many (Beijing) customer cars on the parking in front of the building.
In both cases I was the only foreigner in the place. Felt quite safe.
4) I never tried the small BBS of Yanjiao, but I guess price range should be similar.
According to this I think you can judge if it’s worth for you to go or not. Wish you good luck and happy mongering!
Hello,
I come quite regularly but for short stayings to BJ. I've read with lot of interest this forum. You all speak about Maggie's, which therefore I'd like to go and see. Is anyone so kind to let me know where I can fiond the directions to get there and its address?
Thanks in advance
Beijingrichard
03-20-08, 16:13
In my absence guys - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - all those couch experts who condemn the postings / reportings of the smallish band of seemingly 'Maggies supporters' get to Beijing - get out and about - and for fucks sake report some ACCURATE, MEANINGFUL, HELPFUL, INCITEFUL information on ALTERNATIVES to Maggies for those of us who WOULD frequent ALTERNATIVES if we knew that ANY EXISTED.Given his unparalleled service to the mongering community, the last thing I would ever want to do is rip on Jackson, but perhaps he can find a way to take posts that have been time delayed for review and post them according to when they were available for subscribers and not according to when they were originally posted.
That is confusing to me, and I wrote it! As a junior member (or whatever the criteria is) my posts are delayed for approx. 8-12 hours before they appear on the board. I understand the need for caution regarding unproven posters. However, as a frequent reader, I find that I will only scroll down to the oldest "new" message. Unfortunately, due to the number of posts in popular threads, many informative posts are buried further down, simply because they were posted by less senior members and delayed for review.
If I, or any other newer monger post a review (and let's face it, it will probably be about some out of the way place (if for no other reason than that we aren't all that experienced) at 2:00, it will not be available for viewing until midnight or later. That means that if you had logged on in the interim, it will show up as an old post, something you're not likely to go back and read.
I've found a few previously un-noticed posts by scrolling back through stuff I had read before, but I know that I have missed many. It also leads to numerous double postings by confused newbies and frustration to posters who never receive any feedback on worthwhile posts.
Just to prove a point, if you are a daily viewer please respond. I'm guessing that there will not be many. Actually, in this case there may be. I'm writing this at 11pm and many of our more active brothers are already busy with the evening's cultural exchange. I hope you get my point anyway.
After all this, many thanks to Jackson and to you fellow mongers. You've enabled me to enjoy experiences I would never have stumbled upon by myself and helped me avoid many pitfalls, even though I still manage to find a few.
Happy hunting!
JohnThomas0519
03-20-08, 16:54
Hey, you guys wanna play in the big league? Try this chick from CL:
http://beijing.craigslist.com.cn/ers/611121828.html
A bargain starting at $1800. Woo Hoo!
Outside of this crap, has anyone been trying the girls out who advertise on CL or the expatriates.com sites? I took a shot at one who called herself Fiona back in January. Didn't look much like the babe pix on the web, but she was not bad. Kinda rushed things, but ended up paying too much for FS with CIM at 1500 RMB.
TankukiTankuki,
We need you to check out this babe and report back. I am counting on you:)
JT
Gaoshou, I have been to Yanjiao (燕郊 ), here are my comments on the place:
3) You will find many saunas on both sides of the main road (洗溶 ) of Yanjiao: you want to go where locals go, be prepared to experience local hygiene too ;-). If you already think Beijing saunas are not so clean, you’d better forget those, or at least directly go upstairs without going to the shower area.
I have tried 2, both on the north side of the road. The first one was a small “family business” from Dongbei, nice people but girls were not young. Found a 25yo girl from the south who had to close her shop and find other ways to make money. FS for 160, good attitude but no extra, GFE or others. You can get the whole menu fire and ice, etc for 300.
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According to this I think you can judge if it’s worth for you to go or not. Wish you good luck and happy mongering!Thanks a ton for this. Such good intel makes the prospect of a trip almost irresistible. My
In other news, I got a newsprint flyer at my apt door today advertising a topical viagra-like product. I think it's a Chinese herbal concoction. The flyer makes all kinds of claims about it curing impotence AND premature ejaculation, which I've heard made about other products but which always seems contradictory. Anyway, I'm curious if anyone has tried this product, which is called 根白金 （gen1bai2jin1). I found this link online: http://www.jklx.com/viewproduct.php?sortid=251&productid=4695.
There's a phone number on this flyer, and it says they'll deliver. I guess I'm not allowed to post phone numbers in the forum, but I'd love to facilitate the process of someone else trying this out and letting me know how it is, so PM me if interested, though that web link also has some delivery phone numbers.
The Tanuki
03-20-08, 22:41
Just to prove a point, if you are a daily viewer please respond. I'm guessing that there will not be many. Actually, in this case there may be. I'm writing this at 11pm and many of our more active brothers are already busy with the evening's cultural exchange. I hope you get my point anyway.
After all this, many thanks to Jackson and to you fellow mongers. You've enabled me to enjoy experiences I would never have stumbled upon by myself and helped me avoid many pitfalls, even though I still manage to find a few.
Happy hunting!
Not sure exactly what point you are trying to make here. But I guess you're just seeing posts come through at random times due to moderation, which is not unusual in these kinds of systems. I don't know that this is a real problem. The posts in this forum come in spurts, so to speak, but there are not so many to make it so difficult to scroll through, far as I can tell...
Tankuki
Given his unparalleled service to the mongering community, the last thing I would ever want to do is rip on Jackson, but perhaps he can find a way to take posts that have been time delayed for review and post them according to when they were available for subscribers and not according to when they were originally posted.
That is confusing to me, and I wrote it! As a junior member (or whatever the criteria is) my posts are delayed for approx. 8-12 hours before they appear on the board.
All you need to do is to make the small monetary contribution that turns you into a 'senior' member, and your posts will appear instantly, wihout delay and confusion.
Hello,
I come quite regularly but for short stayings to BJ. I've read with lot of interest this forum. You all speak about Maggie's, which therefore I'd like to go and see. Is anyone so kind to let me know where I can fiond the directions to get there and its address?
Thanks in advance
You come regularly, but don't know? I knew the location of Maggie's before I even heard that there was a Forbidden City. Anyway:
http://www.maggiesbar.com/
Beijing Fox
03-21-08, 02:58
Hi Zhuren,
'Forbidden City'? What is that? Another Pick-up Bar? Maybe you can explain tomorrow at Maggie's?
You come regularly, but don't know? I knew the location of Maggie's before I even heard that there was a Forbidden City. Anyway:
http://www.maggiesbar.com/
I wasn't there myself, but Beijing is abuzz with the news that last night's opening party of Maggie's was rudely interrupted by approximate 10-15 cops which arrived in several squad cars plus two mini buses. The premises were entered. No arrests have been reported. However, patrons of both sexes are worried about the intrusion into a place that enjoyed safe haven status.
Sources close to management say that this was a "routine matter" and that "all clubs in Beijing have been visited last night."
We'll try to get more details on this developing story. Police entering Maggie's on offical buisness would be an all-time first.
Beijing Fox
03-21-08, 06:15
Maybe, they were intrigued to know, whether the renovation had really been finished on time.
Did anybody invite them to a drink?
I wasn't there myself, but Beijing is abuzz with the news that last night's opening party of Maggie's was rudely interrupted by approximate 10-15 cops which arrived in several squad cars plus two mini buses. The premises were entered. No arrests have been reported. However, patrons of both sexes are worried about the intrusion into a place that enjoyed safe haven status.
Sources close to management say that this was a "routine matter" and that "all clubs in Beijing have been visited last night."
We'll try to get more details on this developing story. Police entering Maggie's on offical buisness would be an all-time first.
I wasn't there myself, but Beijing is abuzz with the news that last night's opening party of Maggie's was rudely interrupted by approximate 10-15 cops which arrived in several squad cars plus two mini buses. The premises were entered. No arrests have been reported. However, patrons of both sexes are worried about the intrusion into a place that enjoyed safe haven status.
Sources close to management say that this was a "routine matter" and that "all clubs in Beijing have been visited last night."
We'll try to get more details on this developing story. Police entering Maggie's on offical buisness would be an all-time first.
I think that as we get closer to the Olympics we will see more and more entertainment venues being check and some like at Gongti being closed.
Did the police check passports when they raided Maggies?
Its a good idea to carry a passport photocopy when out, otherwise the police can detain you,,,
I wasn't there myself, but Beijing is abuzz with the news that last night's opening party of Maggie's was rudely interrupted by approximate 10-15 cops which arrived in several squad cars plus two mini buses. The premises were entered. No arrests have been reported. However, patrons of both sexes are worried about the intrusion into a place that enjoyed safe haven status.
Sources close to management say that this was a "routine matter" and that "all clubs in Beijing have been visited last night."
We'll try to get more details on this developing story. Police entering Maggie's on offical buisness would be an all-time first.
I was at the grand opening last night, but left before the raid. After contacting several friends I have learned that the police were checking the passports of the girls, but not the guys. If their visas were valid they did not have a problem, but around 20 girls were rounded up and taken "downtown" because their visas had expired. A quick text to the manager of the Pig at the Lido indicated that they were not visited by the police last night, but they have been in the past.
Last night Maggie's was packed with patrons all wanting to check out the new layout. It seems huge, but that my be simply becuase we have been stuck in the small back area for so long. It is truly shooting to become a "big venue" type bar, with several "VIP" areas around the sides. Let's just hope that the recent raid will not become a common occurance.
Sammy
take posts that have been time delayed for review and post them according to when they were available for subscribers and not according to when they were originally posted.
I have had the same thought. I understand the reason for the delay, but I often miss posts because I just look down the list until I get to a post I have previously read. If a new one has been "delay posted" they I do not notice it.
I am sure Jackson is stuck with the way the board software ware handles the posting of such reports, but you never know.
Sammy
On a whim I also contacted my friend who works at the naked KTV. She told me that they were raided by the police on Tuesday. Usually such crack downs are seen right before big goverment meetings, like the Peoples Congress that has been held in Beijing the last 10 days. All of the deligates went home yesterday, indicating that the current round of raids are not tied to that meeting.
I am sure that Kunshan is right - as we get closer to the Olympics we will probably seen more raids.
Sammy
I know many of you are getting sick of Billy's continuous posting and as I probably WILL NOT be back in Beijing until July then the Beijing thread will be a 'Billy Free Zone' for the next couple of months.
As I indicated a couple of weeks ago - Beijing in general and Maggies in particular is becoming TOO EXPENSIVE for 'general mongering' - and hence I will seek greener / cheaper fields in other countries.
On Mar 26 I will fly to Nanjing for 1 night then onto Tianjin on Mar 27 for 2 nights. Normally I would then head to Beijing for 3 or 4 nights but not this time.
At 5pm on Mar 29 I fly Tianjin to Hongqiao - then taxi from Hongqiao to Pudong - at 00.30 on Mar 30 I fly from Pudong to Manila arriving approx 04.00. Then taxi to Angeles City 1.5hrs.
Angeles City as many know has 150+ bars all with bikini clad girls dancing/prancing attempting to attract your attention. Some of these bars are open 24hrs - perfect scenario for mongering activities.
Main points of difference between Beijing and Angeles for Billy:
1. Accomodation cost - China World Hotel Beijing US$250 night / Pacific Breeze Hotel Angeles City US$85 night
2. Cost of girls - Beijing 2 to 3 girls each day ave cost US$110 / Angeles City 2 to 6 girls each day ave cost US$30 each
YES YES YES I know - comparing apples to oranges - I am just making the point - there are alternatives at MUCH cheaper prices for those of us LUCKY enough to take ADVANTAGE of these OPPORTUNITIES.
In my absence guys - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE - all those couch experts who condemn the postings / reportings of the smallish band of seemingly 'Maggies supporters' get to Beijing - get out and about - and for fucks sake report some ACCURATE, MEANINGFUL, HELPFUL, INCITEFUL information on ALTERNATIVES to Maggies for those of us who WOULD frequent ALTERNATIVES if we knew that ANY EXISTED.
I look forward to reading about these new places that have not been reported on before.
Personally - I am not holding my breath to learn about any alternatives we have missed - indeed on my return I am betting that Maggies is STILL going to be the No.1 bar / pick-up location for WESTERNERS wanting to see ALL the merchandise on offer - then SELECT / NEGOTIATE directly with the girl - a custom that I personally find PERFECT.
Have fun guys - keep safe - treat the girls well.
A Billy free zone? That, my friend, will be the threads loss as your postings about your Maggies' experiences are the best around.
Enjoy AC! For strictly mongering purposes, AC is far superior to BJ, IMO. I also like the passion of the Philippine girls. There is only one thing great about BJ for mongering, and that is the Maggie's girls - even if you don't go to Maggies to find them...LOL.
Maybe we can hook up in July as that will be my last visit until the post Olympic time.
On a whim I also contacted my friend who works at the naked KTV. She told me that they were raided by the police on Tuesday. Usually such crack downs are seen right before big goverment meetings, like the Peoples Congress that has been held in Beijing the last 10 days. All of the deligates went home yesterday, indicating that the current round of raids are not tied to that meeting.
I am sure that Kunshan is right - as we get closer to the Olympics we will probably seen more raids.
Sammy
Hi Sammy, I just had a thought about the raids,,,maybe they were timed after the meeting so that they would miss all the delegates,,,,,
I have heard from police here in Tianjin (also an Olympic city,,) that the PSB is really working hard to make sure NOTHING happens during the Olympic,,,but in order to keep NPC delegates out of the raids the cops in BJ may have waited until after they left town,,,
After contacting several friends I have learned that the police were checking the passports of the girls, but not the guys. If their visas were valid they did not have a problem, but around 20 girls were rounded up and taken "downtown" because their visas had expired.
According to Mongolian ladies contacted today via telephone, no visas were checked, and no arrests were made.
One Wing Low
03-21-08, 09:32
A few mongers with 1 or a few posts PMed me for contact info of the girls I met in BJ. For all I know, they may be Chinese secret police. I am sorry I cannot give out contact info in protection of these fine girls.
I suggest the local bros take a break from Maggie, Hollywood and Pigs and check out the smaller hotels. They all have their KTV's with plenty of young and pretty girls hanging around waiting for customers. It looks like better quality can be had for rates much lower than expat bars.
Local bros please shine some lights on this alternative.
Hi Sammy, I just had a thought about the raids,,,maybe they were timed after the meeting so that they would miss all the delegates,,,,,
,,,
You won't find a NPC delegate in Maggie's ....
A few mongers with 1 or a few posts PMed me for contact info of the girls I met in BJ..
I have received the same requests from single digit post wonders, and I think many others have received same. Please do NOT give out phone numbers to people whose bona-fides have not been ascertained.
I am sure that Kunshan is right - as we get closer to the Olympics we will probably seen more raids.
That is true.
According to Mongolian ladies contacted today via telephone, no visas were checked, and no arrests were made.
Update: Now receiving reports that some girls have indeed been taken "downtown." Most have been released in the morning. Some still unaccounted for.
I have some additional information regarding last night’s raid at Maggie’s. I spoke to a girl who was there, and her roommate was one of the girls picked up.
The raid took place at 3:30 am early Friday morning. Several police, as well as a police dog, entered Maggie’s and started asking the Mongolian girls for their passports. It seems they did not bother any of the Chinese girls, or any girls engaged in a conversation with a man. If the girl had a valid visa then she was left alone, but if her visa was expired she was arrested. The girls were booked on visa violations, had their photos taken, and had to spend the night in jail. To my knowledge they were all released this morning. I asked if they have to leave the country, or pay some kind of fine, but I was told no. The owner of Maggie’s was engaged in deep discussions with the policeman in Charge, and the girls believe he somehow arraigned for the ones who got arrested to get off with just a warning.
The girl I spoke with believes that the police came to Maggie’s due to the recent death of a Mongolian working girl. It seems that 2 weeks ago she went missing. Her roommate recently reported it to the police, and it was found that she was murdered by some Chinese guy that picked her up at Vics. This made it into the Mongolian media, where I am told they talk about Hard Rock, Maggie’s and The Den here in Beijing all of the time. I assume the murder prompted some sort of diplomatic communication, which in turn resulted in the crack down on Mongolian’s illegally residing in Beijing.
It seems that 2 other girls are currently missing. It my be that they just haven't checked in with their friends in a while, but the girls are very spooked right now.
Sammy
The net effect is that you will see far fewer girls tonight or in the next days at M's. They are rattled. They asked all day: "Is it safe to go to work tonight?"
Latest in the Maggie's saga: Maggie's is officially closed "for two to five days" (at least...,) because, according to sources close to management, "there are some problems with the new decoration."
Rumors that the closing has anything to do with last night's visits by uniformed Chinese are of course totally baseless and pure speculation.
If you miss your favorite bargirls: They have been redeployed to Bar One behind the Hilton.
It is unclear whether the Mongolian contingent will follow, or just sit it out until things calm down.
For instance, the Seven Sisters spent Friday night celebrating Little Sarah's 23rd birthday in private in an undisclosed location, and they didn't go anywhere else. No contingency planning was made.
A current phonelist of Monglolia's loveliest is now a strategic asset. We reiterate our strong and serious recommendation to not give out phone numbers to unfamiliars. Protect the herd.
Ragnarok42
03-21-08, 17:51
A current phonelist of Monglolia's loveliest is now a strategic asset. We reiterate our recommendation to not give out phone numbers to unfamiliars. Protect the herd.
Dont give ANY numbers to people unfamiliar to you. I have been getting a lot of PMs recently and they have asked me this odd question - could you share the phone numbers of any lovelies?
Hell no. I really care for the girls that I keep numbers for so wont share them with anyone. So keep your phone contacts close and dont share unless its a senior member and you have dealing with him in the past. Best to stay safe at this time.
Good luck everyone!
I think I'll try it on the weekend. Go around 12:00, fish for say 2 hours, and, if I don't catch anything, go to Maggie's later to net something there.
Petri Heil
Actually if you want to pick up WGs in Chinese discos I think it's better to go during the week, because at the weekend you have all the regular disco customers, while normal girls who hold regular daytime jobs don't go to the disco during the week. So from Monday to Thursday the girls you will see hanging out in discos are mostly hookers and mafia type people.
It's an area in Tongzhou district, in eastern Beijing. The place is called Yanjiao (Yan4jiao1) 燕郊。 It's well outside the fifth ring road and is probablya 30-40min cab ride from the city center. I was told you can enjoy young girls for around Rmb150 or less.
The problem I see is that if it's outside the fifth ring road you will pay 200 RMB or more just for the taxi there and back.
Probably it's better to just go to some smaller town surrounding BJ for a couple of days. E.g. last year I was in a smaller town (about 500,000 inhabitants) in Hebei province where the going rate was 150RMB for girls in the hotel I was staying. The hotel also was only 100RMB a night for a decent room.
The problem I see is that if it's outside the fifth ring road you will pay 200 RMB or more just for the taxi there and back.
Probably it's better to just go to some smaller town surrounding BJ for a couple of days. E.g. last year I was in a smaller town (about 500,000 inhabitants) in Hebei province where the going rate was 150RMB for girls in the hotel I was staying. The hotel also was only 100RMB a night for a decent room.I'm planning to take public transport when I go.
The Tanuki
03-21-08, 20:02
I have received the same requests from single digit post wonders, and I think many others have received same. Please do NOT give out phone numbers to people whose bona-fides have not been ascertained.
Yes, I've gotten it as well. Aside from all other aspects, I consider it a personal privilege to have the phone numbers of these ladies, and that privilege does not extend to me handing it out to people. It's up to the woman herself, IMO.
Tankuki
DavidChuphd
03-21-08, 20:14
Tonight I visited the Pig. Very few WGs there, perhaps because the raid last night at Maggies. A girl did approach me, but her face was far from satisfactory. At 9:30pm I have to leave, because my hotel does not allow late guests. It's a pity that I could not identify the famous Sammy_T, for there are lots of gentleman there.
Returning to my room, with a rather disappointed DiDi :-)
Yes, I've gotten it as well. Aside from all other aspects, I consider it a personal privilege to have the phone numbers of these ladies, and that privilege does not extend to me handing it out to people. It's up to the woman herself, IMO.
Tankuki
Absolutely. They trust us as we trust them. That professional trust shall not be broken.
Mock A Bee
03-22-08, 02:13
The problem I see is that if it's outside the fifth ring road you will pay 200 RMB or more just for the taxi there and back.
Probably it's better to just go to some smaller town surrounding BJ for a couple of days. E.g. last year I was in a smaller town (about 500,000 inhabitants) in Hebei province where the going rate was 150RMB for girls in the hotel I was staying. The hotel also was only 100RMB a night for a decent room.
Actually, for reference, I took a cab from worker's stadium to the airport express road, to just past the 5th ring road where the Western Academy of Beijing is located. It was surprisingly cheap at only 36rmb, plus the 10rmb toll. So in general terms, it may be around 50-70rmb to lurk for places out there depending on how lost you get.
MAB
Bad Boy Billy
03-22-08, 02:57
Latest in the Maggie's saga: Maggie's is officially closed "for two to five days" (at least...,) because, according to sources close to management, "there are some problems with the new decoration."
Rumors that the closing has anything to do with last night's visits by uniformed Chinese are of course totally baseless and pure speculation.
If you miss your favorite bargirls: They have been redeployed to Bar One behind the Hilton.
It is unclear whether the Mongolian contingent will follow, or just sit it out until things calm down.
For instance, the Seven Sisters spent Friday night celebrating Little Sarah's 23rd birthday in private in an undisclosed location, and they didn't go anywhere else. No contingency planning was made.
A current phonelist of Monglolia's loveliest is now a strategic asset. We reiterate our strong and serious recommendation to not give out phone numbers to unfamiliars. Protect the herd.OK guys forget what I said about my LAST POST being my LAST POST for some time.
Indeed this will be my LAST POST for some time.
I have a different slant to you guys on this matter - and indeed I have 50+ numbers of Mongolians mostly still working in Beijing.
All these girls numbers are available for a MODERATE fee. Fee structure as follows:
5* Girls - US$25
4* Girls - US$20
3* Girls - US$15
2* Girls - US$10
1* Girls (Basically really ugly girls - the ones that guys like Sammy and OldAsiaHoodlum fuck) - FREE - In fact they might even slip you a few $$$'s.
Payment by either Visa or MasterCard - Include your card number, expiry date, and 3 digit CCV number (last 3 digits on signature panel on rear of card).
As I said above - this is my LAST POST for some time.
Nobody Doe
03-22-08, 03:04
Yanjiao is not in Beijing, so it's even further than 5th ring road. Yanjiao is at the border between Beijing and Hebei Province (河北省). So the cab fare will be higher. Rumors are the "6th ring road" is under planning to reach Yanjiao and also planning to extend Beijing to absorb Yanjiao, but these rumors are not confirmed by the government. These rumors are from the real estate developers who want to sell their properties in Yanjiao.
Actually, for reference, I took a cab from worker's
stadium to the airport express road, to just past the 5th ring road where the Western Academy of Beijing is located. It was surprisingly cheap at only 36rmb, plus the 10rmb toll. So in general terms, it may be around 50-70rmb to lurk for places out there depending on how lost you get.
MAB
Nobody Doe
03-22-08, 03:37
Hi Gaoshou, Pier20, Phil1980, Mock A Bee,
Since we are getting more people interested in Yanjiao, how about we go there together in a cab to share the fare? Or I may ask my local Beijing friend to drive us there, as it's my friend who took me to Yanjiao for 2 times.
I just visited Yanjiao yesterday with my local Beijing friend driving, and it was my 2nd time visiting Yanjiao. My local friend told me this place is safe and he knows one of the managers very well. The FS rate is 150RMB for ST and 300RMB for LT (but the rooms are also not as clean as hotel rooms, you probably do not want to stay a night there, probably a whole afternoon style LT is an option.) No menu / ice & fire stuffs though. And there are so many customers. The 1st time we went there was a Friday night in Sep 2007, and there are so many customers with less girls. This time we arrived at 1PM on Friday, and still there are a lot of cars parked outside the sauna.
This place is at the south side of the road, so probably not the same place that Pier20 wrote, but I am also interested to explore other places in Yanjiao, even KTV there sounds very interesting. I will PM you guys to discuss about this.
Cheers,
Taiwan Guy
Gaoshou, I have been to Yanjiao (燕郊 ), here are my comments on the place:
3) You will find many saunas on both sides of the main road (洗溶 ) of Yanjiao: you want to go where locals go, be prepared to experience local hygiene too ;-). If you already think Beijing saunas are not so clean, you’d better forget those, or at least directly go upstairs without going to the shower area…
I have tried 2, both on the north side of the road. The first one was a small “family business” from Dongbei, nice people but girls were not young. Found a 25yo girl from the south who had to close her shop and find other ways to make money. FS for 160, good attitude but no extra, GFE or others. You can get the whole menu fire and ice, etc for 300.
The second one was as clean as the first one (!) but much more impressive in terms of choice. Arriving upstairs to the common rest room, you will find yourself in the middle of dozens of girls sitting on line-up sofas, walking around, trying to sell their charms to customers. I’ve never seen something similar in Beijing area (I mean this quantity and density), it makes me think of some KTV in south China. Paid FS 160 for a big rack girl, menu was 320. Take your time to chose, there are not only young and pretty girls there… This place is quite easy to find: arriving from Beijing, it is about 100m from the end of Jingha expressway, north-east corner of a small crossroad. You can find the red 洗溶 sign on the side of the main road, but the sauna is located behind the first line of building along the road.
OldAsiaHand
03-22-08, 06:26
1* Girls (Basically really ugly girls - the ones that guys like Sammy and OldAsiaHoodlum fuck) - FREE - In fact they might even slip you a few $$$'s.
Nearly every time I do really hot 5* girls, I get 1* service and vice versa. The ugly ones work harder to please.
Just my POV.
OAH
The Tanuki
03-22-08, 06:37
Nearly every time I do really hot 5* girls, I get 1* service and vice versa. The ugly ones work harder to please.
Just my POV.
OAH
There's no such thing as bad pussy, some's just better than others...
Tankuki
Nearly every time I do really hot 5* girls, I get 1* service and vice versa. The ugly ones work harder to please.
Just my POV.
OAH
Long time ago, I learn that hiring a "three bagger-Ugllllllyyyyyy" secretary is better than hiring the blond haired blue eyed stunners. after 5PM the "three bagger" was still working getting everything done, while the young stunners are no where to be found at 5:01PM.
I agree that ugly ones work harder , you just have to send them on their way before sunrise and make sure that when you are doing them all lights on off.
just my POV
Beijing Fox
03-22-08, 07:46
As I said above - this is my LAST POST for some time.
Sure? Promise?
Looks like the closure of St. Margaret's will take a while longer.
The official interim Maggie's is now Bar One behind the Hilton. Old Beijing hands remember Bar One as "Maggies 2." It'll be "Maggie's 1" for quite a while.
Beijing Fox
03-22-08, 10:19
On the airport highway now.
Mongol beauties, where will you be tonight?
On the airport highway now.
Mongol beauties, where will you be tonight?
Go to Bar One.
I have received messages from two Mongolian friends this evening -- not uncommon though sounds like they would rather stick with the unknown rather than venture out this evening.
Gentlemen: The pre-Olympics cleanup has begun in earnest, and they are cleaning with steel brooms. News of raids are coming in left and right, and are too many to mention.
Maggie's used to be teflon-coated when it came to raids. If Maggie's ain't safe, nothing else is. And sure enough, we now hear that Maggie’s is just the tip of the iceberg. It’s much easier to name the establishments that have NOT been raided (Bar One for instance - - probably just a matter of time.) Most disturbingly, we are receiving reports of arrests of customers & providers.
To quote Sgt. Esterhaus of Hill Street Blues:”Hey, let's be careful out there.”
All these girls numbers are available for a MODERATE fee. Fee structure as follows:
5* Girls - US$25
4* Girls - US$20
3* Girls - US$15
2* Girls - US$10
1* Girls (Basically really ugly girls - the ones that guys like Sammy and OldAsiaHoodlum fuck) - FREE - In fact they might even slip you a few $$$'s.
.
I'll give you $100 (US or AUS - your choice ...) just to get the list off the market.
BTW, don't you think it's higly suspicious, BBB, that you skipped town just before the shit hit the ventilator? You announce 3/20 that you will be avoiding Beijing for months, and a day later, 3/21, Maggies gets shuttered? Isn't that too much of a coincidence? Do you want to tell the truth now, or must we waterboard you?
FernandoAlonso
03-22-08, 16:42
Sad, sad, will I finally see the famous maggies (first try a car ran over me, last time my freebie made it impossible and now this.).
Was already last time a drama on the street scene, police, military, no girls. We have to move our office to Shanghai or Shenzen, someone has some good reasoning I can use))
Sebastian My
03-23-08, 02:43
Looks like the closure of St. Margaret's will take a while longer.
The official interim Maggie's is now Bar One behind the Hilton. Old Beijing hands remember Bar One as "Maggies 2." It'll be "Maggie's 1" for quite a while.
I checked out our Bar 1 on Saturday evening and it looked as it normally does. No Mongolians or for that matter any foreign providers, although someone brought their western wife/girlfriend, which does not really count. As for the Chinese girls, I did not see any maggies girls their - or at least anyone I could recognise.
I have not been to bar one for a while and noticed upstairs is set up as a restaurant. I would suggest the business model looks rather “legal”. The only naughty element was you get to talk to Chinese girls in exchange for drinks. I would suspect this place is rather safe from any raids.
I went past St Margaret's on my way to the eastern branch of the St Margaret's franchise – and yes it was closed up as tight as a nun's chastity belt.
I suspect its getting close for me to pack up my bags and move over to Tokyo for the Olympic games, once the visa's for my Russian friends expire and I say das-vidania to their all too attractive behinds.
For those suffering the Olympic Beijing Blues, why not hop down to Bangkok for Songkran and camp yourself in a suitable bar with a huge water pistol. Make sure you surround yourself with a bevy of young female assistance as you let loose with your mega-squirt on any passer-by's, while defending your female assistants from similar water attacks. After your female assistants gets suitably wet you can retire to your comfortable and dry hotel room where you can personally tend to their water inflicted wounds.
I've been out of touch a while gents had a sweet set up with a good provider that has kept me out of the hunt for a few weeks. Now I had the itch for something fresh and walked into the Pig & Thistle not knowing anything about the crackdown and found it empty at 10 pm on Saturday night. I asked the bartender what had happened and he filled me in. Not a working girl in sight on a Saturday night at the Lido. I have already written to one member about the possiblity of joining a group to travel to some of the venues mentioned outside the city. If any others are planning week-end excursions to any venues with fresh pussy available please PM me so I can join the caravan. Maybe this action will have some good results. I know there is more pussy in China than we can fuck, now we are being forced to find it rather than let the "sisterhood" claim whatever price the market will bear. Lets be creative brothers we can find the fresh girls with the need for some red Maos. We don't have to depend on 2 or 3 bars in a city of 16 million. I'll be hunting again next week-end and I won't be paying 1500 RMB a shot for what I get. Good Luck to all in this time of market expansion. Please post what you find in new venues, we need options other than St. Maggies anyway.
I checked out our Bar 1 on Saturday evening and it looked as it normally does. No Mongolians or for that matter any foreign providers, although someone brought their western wife/girlfriend, which does not really count. As for the Chinese girls, I did not see any maggies girls their - or at least anyone I could recognise.
Friday night VERY late a large Mongolian contingent was present at Bar One. Also, they had posted guys at Maggies who told all arrivals to proceed to Bar One. Was not there Sat nite, but will do an inspection tour tonite, Sunday.
All Saturday, the breadth of previous nights' raids sunk in in Beijing, and it wouldn't surprise me if many people decided to stay home and watch TV.
Same Saturday night, I received text messages sent by Maggie's bargirls now deployed to Bar One. They implored me to come, because they "are bored." (And most likely short of cash.)
On the Mongolian side, some of our ladyfriends are already making plans to leave BJ for SH or other places. Our loss, their gain.
I have not been to bar one for a while and noticed upstairs is set up as a restaurant. I would suggest the business model looks rather “legal”.
The restaurant upstairs (and to the right on the ground floor) is a Viennese restaurant. A partnership between Maggie's owners and the former catering chief of Austrian Airlines in Beijing. It's a separate venture.
The only naughty element was you get to talk to Chinese girls in exchange for drinks. I would suspect this place is rather safe from any raids. That had been Bar One's business model for a long time and it's rather boring.
I suspect its getting close for me to pack up my bags and move over to Tokyo for the Olympic games, once the visa's for my Russian friends expire and I say das-vidania to their all too attractive behinds.
Having partial roots in Tokyo, I can always recommend that city for the finest (if not necessarily cheapest) diversions on the planet.
For those suffering the Olympic Beijing Blues, why not hop down to Bangkok for Songkran and camp yourself in a suitable bar with a huge water pistol. Make sure you surround yourself with a bevy of young female assistance as you let loose with your mega-squirt on any passer-by's, while defending your female assistants from similar water attacks. After your female assistants gets suitably wet you can retire to your comfortable and dry hotel room where you can personally tend to their water inflicted wounds.
That sounds like fun. We'll look to you for advice and game rules.
As I write this, the sun is out, the sky over Beijing is blue, and I can see the mountains from my apartment in the GBD. My prediction stands that before and during the Olympics, Beijing will be clean in all respects. Some of you dirty old bums may not like it, and rather opt for hentai Tokyo, the joys of mega-squirts in BKK, or a visit of BBB, who is AWOL in the Philippines.
The Tanuki
03-23-08, 07:31
Same Saturday night, I received text messages sent by Maggie's bargirls now deployed to Bar One. They implored me to come, because they "are bored." (And most likely short of cash.)
On the Mongolian side, some of our ladyfriends are already making plans to leave BJ for SH or other places. Our loss, their gain.
These are indeed dark days over Middle Earth. Sigh...
Having partial roots in Tokyo, I can always recommend that city for the finest (if not necessarily cheapest) diversions on the planet.
As I write this, the sun is out, the sky over Beijing is blue, and I can see the mountains from my apartment in the GBD. My prediction stands that before and during the Olympics, Beijing will be clean in all respects. Some of you dirty old bums may not like it, and rather opt for hentai Tokyo, the joys of mega-squirts in BKK, or a visit of BBB, who is AWOL in the Philippines.
Anyone showing up in Tokyo who wants to quaff a couple and oogle at all the really short skirts these days, let me know!
Tankuki
This afternoon, word was received that the Maggie's bargirl contingent has been withdrawn from Bar One with immediate effect, and they are told to stay home. Bottom line: They are laid off.
The inofficial/official reasoning is that there is not enough business at B1 to support the current staff. There is another version that says that the minute "Maggie's-type" activity develops at B1, B1 will be raided and closed as well.
Unconfirmed reports say that the Den is closed also.
Official request: Please check on the status of the usual BJ hangouts and report whether they are dead or alive.
Lets be creative brothers we can find the fresh girls with the need for some red Maos. We don't have to depend on 2 or 3 bars in a city of 16 million. I'll be hunting again next week-end and I won't be paying 1500 RMB a shot for what I get. Good Luck to all in this time of market expansion. Please post what you find in new venues, we need options other than St. Maggies anyway.
Market expansion my eye. In times of crackdown, prices will inevitably go up. Most girls will leave, and the few remaining ones will ask Eliot Spritzer type prices.
The Tanuki
03-23-08, 14:59
This afternoon, word was received that the Maggie's bargirl contingent has been withdrawn from Bar One with immediate effect, and they are told to stay home. Bottom line: They are laid off.
Say it ain't so! The worst way to get laid (and us to NOT get laid).
Official request: Please check on the status of the usual BJ hangouts and report whether they dead or alive.
Any news from the Pig lately? I wonder if it might get shielded a bit due to being inside the hotel...
Cheers,
Tankuki
Any news from the Pig lately? I wonder if it might get shielded a bit due to being inside the hotel...
Word is they received advance warning ( or had a hunch ) and closed the place on Friday before the fuzz arrived. Reportedly was open & dead yesterday. The Pig isn't shielded at all. The only thing that WAS shielded was Maggie's, but the force field of that shield must have run out of batteries.
In the meantime, the exodus of talent from BJ has already begun. See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=722466&postcount=3112
2334 hrs, Sunday, March 23. Bar One, Beijing.
Male guests: 4
Bargirls: 4 - used to be 9 10 minutes ago
Providers: 0
General atmosphere: Boredom and despair
Note: Personnel denies any knowledge of anything: "I just work here."
Assessment: Not suited as interim Maggie's.
Thanks to Zhuren and Sammy_T
For posting the development of the Maggie action and for providing information about what is happening. I hope everything will calm down. Perhaps Maggies becomes too exposed, so it was thorn in the side if Government.
At present China has been critizied a lot by other governments and by NGOs, and the foreign media has been very critical to their behavior. Some Western countries are still not sure about going to the Olympics. So my pocket- philosophy is that China now try to look like a clean good honest country, where no one can put their finger. So at least all cities involved in the Olympics will be cleaned up.
During my stay in March in Beijing, two of the Mongolian very regulars (1-2 years and more in Maggies) already went to Ulanbataar 5..12. March. The one said she would be back in a about a week or two. The other did not know if she ever come back. Her name is mentioned by BBB in a prevous report.
Maybe we will miss the Monglian girls for a while, but I believe they will come back. Remember Beijing is the first stop from Ulanbataar.
Sorry, I forgot to thank all others good guys informing about the Maggie story evolution. Thank you, please continue.
Transmuter
03-23-08, 18:39
General atmosphere: Boredom and despairAs it always was before... Afaik the current ownership (since a while) has no relation to M. anymore. Insofar all posts about potential shifts to there sounded strange to me from the beginning.
BTW: I'm away in US and EU but most of my contacts replied they are safe.
T
Beijing Xiber
03-24-08, 01:30
[QUOTE=Zhuren]This afternoon, word was received that the Maggie's bargirl contingent has been withdrawn from Bar One with immediate effect, and they are told to stay home. Bottom line: They are laid off.
The inofficial/official reasoning is that there is not enough business at B1 to support the current staff. There is another version that says that the minute "Maggie's-type" activity develops at B1, B1 will be raided and closed as well.
Unconfirmed reports say that the Den is closed also.
Official request: Please check on the status of the usual BJ hangouts and report whether they dead or alive.
How about a "private" KTV evening with invited furloughed Maggie Mongolian princesses. Now that could be an interesting evening.
Keep safe. BJXB
How about a "private" KTV evening with invited furloughed Maggie Mongolian princesses. Now that could be an interesting evening.
Keep safe. BJXB
Now there's a thought. Taking Mongolians to a KTV may sound like coals to Newcastle, but desperate times ...
Sebastian My
03-24-08, 02:54
On the Mongolian side, some of our ladyfriends are already making plans to leave BJ for SH or other places. Our loss, their gain.
As I write this, the sun is out, the sky over Beijing is blue, and I can see the mountains from my apartment in the GBD. My prediction stands that before and during the Olympics, Beijing will be clean in all respects. Some of you dirty old bums may not like it, and rather opt for hentai Tokyo, the joys of mega-squirts in BKK, or a visit of BBB, who is AWOL in the Philippines.
Requiem for St Margaret's (With apologies to St Luke and Saint Thomas Aquinas)
Hail Margaret who art in Beijing
Hallow be thy name.
Thy Police come, thy will be done
Until the Olympics has gone.
If you wish to leave the faith and try some Buddhist spiritual enlightenment, Songkran is an ideal time. From the 13th of April to the 15th of April the inhabitants of Thailand welcome the new year or growing season by throwing water at each other. Obviously with the advent of high tech water guns this has moved to new technological heights. If you come be prepared to get wet, very wet. The best option for someone who does not have friends in Bangkok is to find a small outside bar, just after mid-day, in nana, patpong or soi cowboy. The bars are all well stocked with female assistants who will become your partner in crime. They will purchase for you the necessary water weapons and if you buy one for them they will be very grateful. After the festivities have ended I think you know what happens.
My favourite are the outside bars in patpong, the small lane which run's parallel with the night markets. There are about 4-5 bars in this lane, all open to the outside. Nana and Soi have similar arrangements, but will less bars together, or with larger bars which tend not to be as much fun.
Thoughts : I saw the comments about taking Mongolians to a KTV, which is one solution. Perhaps another would be to group sponsor a Mongolian. If a number of chaps get together they would guarentee 1 session per evening, based on a commonly agreed schedule. This way they never need to go out to hunt, they would become sort of like the guy who come to cut the lawn each 2 weeks, even if the lawn does not need it.
Sebastian My
03-24-08, 03:11
2334 hrs, Sunday, March 23. Bar One, Beijing.
Male guests: 4
Bargirls: 4 - used to be 9 10 minutes ago
Providers: 0
General atmosphere: Boredom and despair
Note: Personnel denies any knowledge of anything: "I just work here."
Assessment: Not suited as interim Maggie's.
This may be not viable for several reasons, but one though is to select another bar, such as the Goose and Duck or something similar and let the ulan batur jockey club mounts (so to speak) know about it. Its obvious Bar One is not the correct location as a maggies two. But personally I feel we all need to weather this new trend and hope it will all back to normal by end of the year. This happens in singapore a lot, when-ever the KTV's get more and more imorale the police act and basically closes them all down for about 1-2 months (The legit KTV's are ok, I am only talking about naked sexual debauchery occuring in the KTV room type KTV). When this happens the punter's all know they need to just sit it out.
Requiem for St Margaret's (With apologies to St Luke and Saint Thomas Aquinas)
Hail Margaret who art in Beijing
Hallow be thy name.
Thy Police come, thy will be done
Until the Olympics has gone.
.
Let's make that "Hollow be thy name."
Would you be avail in BKK to conduct an artillery exercise? We are thinking of coming on down.
This happens in singapore a lot, when-ever the KTV's get more and more imorale the police act and basically closes them all down for about 1-2 months (The legit KTV's are ok, I am only talking about naked sexual debauchery occuring in the KTV room type KTV). When this happens the punter's all know they need to just sit it out.
This sit-out will take 5+ months ...
Now there's a thought. Taking Mongolians to a KTV may sound like coals to Newcastle, but desperate times ...
I like the KTV idea. There are several nice KTV's in Beijing that do not provide girls - just a party atmosphere. I would be happy to arraign such an evening, but enough males would need to come to make it worth the girl's efforts. Think of it as a mixer where you could meet the girls and get phone numbers. I can think of 10 Mongolina girls I could get there with just a few phone calls. Of course, Beijing is now a sinking ship to the Mongolians, and several are on their way home or to other destinations.
Send me a PM if you are interested. Also let me know if you want it on a weeknight (monday - thursday) or weekend (Friday, Saturday, or Sunday). We would have to pay the cost of the KTV and drinks, and you would of course need to negotiate directly with your girl for anything else. Our last big KTV night cost around 3000 RMB, and that included tips for the girls. I am sure we could get by for under 400 RMB per person for such an event.
Sammy
I like the KTV idea. There are several nice KTV's in Beijing that do not provide girls - just a party atmosphere. I would be happy to arraign such an evening, but enough males would need to come to make it worth the girl's efforts. Think of it as a mixer where you could meet the girls and get phone numbers. I can think of 10 Mongolina girls I could get there with just a few phone calls. Of course, Beijing is now a sinking ship to the Mongolians, and several are on their way home or to other destinations.
Send me a PM if you are interested.
Great idea. I'm in.
- Discuss via PM only.
- Sammy will not disclose location
- Previously vetted members only
Beijing Fox
03-24-08, 04:41
How about doing it at my apartment in SH? They're staying there anyhow.:-)
I like the KTV idea. There are several nice KTV's in Beijing that do not provide girls - just a party atmosphere. I would be happy to arraign such an evening, but enough males would need to come to make it worth the girl's efforts. Think of it as a mixer where you could meet the girls and get phone numbers. I can think of 10 Mongolina girls I could get there with just a few phone calls. Of course, Beijing is now a sinking ship to the Mongolians, and several are on their way home or to other destinations.
Send me a PM if you are interested. Also let me know if you want it on a weeknight (monday - thursday) or weekend (Friday, Saturday, or Sunday). We would have to pay the cost of the KTV and drinks, and you would of course need to negotiate directly with your girl for anything else. Our last big KTV night cost around 3000 RMB, and that included tips for the girls. I am sure we could get by for under 400 RMB per person for such an event.
Sammy
The Tanuki
03-24-08, 05:08
How about doing it at my apartment in SH? They're staying there anyhow.:-)
Careful now, you'll be causing a traffic jam ya lucky bastard!
Tankuki (jealous as a mf)
I never carried a passport when venturing out in BJ, but from now on, I will:
- This weekend, police started checking passports of foreigners at favorite nightspots.
- All weekend, police made the rounds in apartment buildings, said they are doing "the usual check" (which never to rarely happened before) and checked registrations.
- I was told that - wink, wink - they have a special eye out for "foreigners who are home all the time during the day."
It is a good idea to keep passports and a copy of "Registration Form Of Temporary Residence" at the ready.
From what I am hearing, the idea of this activity is to get rid of illegals before the Olympics.
There is nothing to fear if your papers are in order.
PS: Last Saturday, even the observance of the Worldwide Pillow Fight (http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21662) was broken up by Beijing's Finest.
El Frances
03-24-08, 06:09
Hello!
I was lazy because of jetlag and did not find my usual mamasan in Wangfujing, so I tried outcall massage. If you type massage beijing or escort beijing on google, you find many ads in the health section of various wensites. Some of them provide FS for 800 ST, you have to ask before. I tried two. One was only providind massage + HJ for 300 + taxi. OK, good service, girl not so beautifull but I wanted only massage. I tried another one, who did not want to discuss business on the phone. I don't like so much because it may mean she would require for sucker's price. She was so pretty on the picture that I gave a try (anyway, I could send her back if we didn't agree). After 20mn she comes to my place. Not the same girl as on the pic, but OK. She says girls don't put their real pics on ads because they don't want everybody to see them. Maybe. She was about 70% pretty as on the pic and about four years older, but had a very nice slim body with big enough boobs. She was intending to start massage me but I asked first to set prices. "You want to discuss price now?" she said. Of course, I'm not a sucker, baby!
As I suspected she began asking for a crazy price for FS: 3500! I said no chance, all other girls ask for 800. She said OK I make it for 1200. I said no, it's 800 or bye bye. Then we agree on 800 + 50 for taxi.
Service was good but professional: CBJ, fucking in several position, fake moaning, no Frenchkiss.
So OK, after all, a good option in case of emergency, but I'll try to find a better option next time.
In summary: don't expect the girl to be exactly the same as on the pic (maybe some are the same?), ask if they not only provide massage, ask for price before or set price from arrival.
Maybe prices can be negotiated down because it seems they don't have so many customers, as the first girl told me.
It is a good idea to keep passports and a copy of "Registration Form Of Temporary Residence" at the ready.
From what I am hearing, the idea of this activity is to get rid of illegals before the Olympics.
There is nothing to fear if your papers are in order.
This was confirmed by one of my Chinese co-workers. It seems the police were in his building this weekend knocking on doors and asking to see foreigners passports and papers. He lives in an area that would have no association with our hobby, so they must be targeting all of Beijing.
Sammy
SidTheSexist
03-24-08, 07:53
Now there's a thought. Taking Mongolians to a KTV may sound like coals to Newcastle, but desperate times ...Easy on the Newcastle jokes :D
Strange the Cafe gets hardly any coverage on this forum. You can get HJs on site and Mongols there too.
Sid
The Tanuki
03-24-08, 08:04
Easy on the Newcastle jokes :D
Strange the Cafe gets hardly any coverage on this forum. You can get HJs on site and Mongols there too.
Sid
Gawd, I thought there was something unique about the mayo there... :p
Tankuki
Hello Beijing crowd!
So many sad news so soon! I spent a lovely weekend on 22nd and 23rd at Maggies and seemed to me ok, still crowded cos of the "renovation" but for the rest business as usual.
Bumped into a friend i met first in HKG 7 years back and was surprised see her still in business, told me story about a british boyfriend for three years and just break up, i took her home for old times sake. Still a good performer 1000 customary fee, short girl always chatting with Peter the barman, and drinking white wine, forgot her name again.
The following day i met a tall girl said her name was Angel after a short chat she asked for 2500 i loughed and went to dance. There i met Tunga not bad dancer with big tits and good kisser 1000 again and took her back to hotel.
I plan to go back on next week but if bad news keep coming i may divert to Shanghai.
Take care all
Strange the Cafe gets hardly any coverage on this forum. You can get HJs on site and Mongols there too.
Sid
Probably not for a while. Del Mar has been visited by LE also.
This was confirmed by one of my Chinese co-workers. It seems the police were in his building this weekend knocking on doors and asking to see foreigners passports and papers. He lives in an area that would have no association with our hobby, so they must be targeting all of Beijing.
Sammy
They do. There is a new hard-charging, by-the-book Sheriff (head of PSB) in town.
Easy on the Newcastle jokes :D
Strange the Cafe gets hardly any coverage on this forum. You can get HJs on site and Mongols there too.
SidSid -
I frequent the Cafe all of the time. To be honest, I do not mention it too much on this board because I did not want to draw too much attention to it. It was my first choice for a early "alternate" to Maggie's. I guess my discretion did not work because they got raided last week. First, a Mongolian girl and her western "patron" were followed out of the bar to his hotel by one of Beijing's finest, and the cops busted them in the act. They were both taken to jail. No word on what charges were brought, I am still trying to confirm. At the same time a group of police raided the bar, asking to see everyone's pasport. The owner was taken "downtown" and given the 3rd degree - "why are there so many single girls at your bar", ect. They are open but attendance was low over the weekend. It is my understanding that all of the bars in the area were visited that night. I hope this recent activity is all just one big show that will blow over. I have never known the Beijing Police to stay "focused" on such efforts for more than a few weeks, but you never know!
The Pig in the Lido was empty over the weekend, but I have heard several girls mention they might give it another try tonight.
By the way, I have received confirmation that there are currently several Mongolian police in Beijing working out of their embassy investigating the death of the working girl last week. This presence of Mongolian police is making the girls extra nervous.
The exodus is continuing. I just put my current Mongolian favorite (20 years old, tall, thin, large breasts, but I digress) on a train back to UB after a wonderful afternoon meeting, along with her 3 roommates. A group of 4 left yesterday morning for Shanghai (who have been well received by our brothers down south), and now this group of 4 are going home. It seems the younger girls are the ones who are the most spooked. I know several “seasoned” girls who have ties in Beijing who just plan to ride it out. These girls rely more on regulars than the odd tourist, so staying out of the bar will not hurt them too bad. One thing I will advise is that if your favorite girls leaves Beijing, get her Mongolian mobile number so we can get them back here once the coast is clear!
Sammy
Sammy is organizing a little "meet and greet" this evening for some of my Mongolian friends who will try and stick it out here in Beijing. Think of it like a cocktail party where you can get the name and number of some beautiful Mongolian ladies. It will take place at 9 pm tonight. Sorry for the short notice, but that is the nature of this business. Send me a PM with your mobile number if you would like to attend. I will monitor the board all evening and reply to messages with information as to where we can meet. If I don't know you, or you are not recommended by someone I do know, then don't bother as I am not going to risk getting busted but some under cover type!
Hope to hear from some of you Beijing regulars who are already missing the Pig and Maggie's!
Sammy
Sammy is organizing a little "meet and greet" this evening for some of my Mongolian friends who will try and stick it out here in Beijing. Think of it like a cocktail party where you can get the name and number of some beautiful Mongolian ladies. It will take place at 9 pm tonight. Sorry for the short notice, but that is the nature of this business. Send me a PM with your mobile number if you would like to attend. I will monitor the board all evening and reply to messages with information as to where we can meet. If I don't know you, or you are not recommended by someone I do know, then don't bother as I am not going to risk getting busted but some under cover type!
Hope to hear from some of you Beijing regulars who are already missing the Pig and Maggie's!
Sammy
Be there, last chance to collect phone numbers for the upcoming dry spell.
I have never known the Beijing Police to stay "focused" on such efforts for more than a few weeks, but you never know!
All indicators say that this time it's different, and it will last through the Olympics, at least. The new head of the PSB is "Iron Face" - the old hands may recall him from the SARS crisis. He's the Chinese equivalent of Eliot Ness and Rudy Giuliani rolled into one. This will be one clean city.
Sammy T reports by text that tonight's gathering was busted by police. Consider ISG unsafe to post/exchange information from here on it beyond private message. Good luck brothers.
Sammy T reports by text that tonight's gathering was busted by police. Consider ISG unsafe to post/exchange information from here on it beyond private message. Good luck brothers.
Confirmed. Very innocent meeting. Ladies dressed conservatively. 2 cruisers and a paddy-wagon outside.
4 passports taken. 2 arrests of girls w/o ID.
ISG unsafe. Stand down.
Good night, Beijing.
Beijingers:
this bulletin board is standard issue stuff. Do not think for a minute that your PM's are 100% secure - if someone wants to hack in and read them, they will do so.
Don't know if they will, but I'd still urge caution. Use your sms function on your phones for messages.
Just my opinion. I'll also comment that this crackdown will eventually be country-wide. Particularly in Shanghai and Qingdao, where they will be hosting Olympic events. Probably HK too - I think equestrian events are over there.
Use your sms function on your phones for messages. .
Great advice. Transmit information AND your current location ... Meeting place was most likely compromised via text message ...
Crazy Jim Wood
03-24-08, 17:16
this bulletin board is standard issue stuff. Do not think for a minute that your PM's are 100% secure - if someone wants to hack in and read them, they will do so.
Years ago Beijing police were using ho's beepers to nab customers and other ho's.
SMS makes it even easier, all you have to do is pick up an involved individual, scroll through that person's messages to get info on activities and other people involved, then send text messages using that person's phone to bring all of the criminals together for a convenient arrest. Then, you can get all of their cell phones and find anyone else who is invovled. Then, you can use all of their messages as evidence in court.
A lot easier than hacking into ISG. Of course, if you put some pressure on someone who uses ISG that person may cough up his password and then you can use his PMs as well. No need to hack.
Man, if I were involved in this mess, I think I might find a different circle of friends for a while and "lose" my cell phone until the smoke clears. If the police can find you or want to go through the trouble of finiding you it will still be a lot more difficult for them if you aren't nabbed with the ho's.
nice dickey response Zhuren.
I haven't broken any laws, so the authorities would not have my handphone number. Why, and how, would the authorities come after me ? Do they have telepathic powers, to know that out of 600 million or so mobile telephone numbers, that I may in fact, be using my mobile phone to be messaging a friend to meet me at a bar, restaurant, or KTV hall ? My number would have to be entered into some database of known associates of criminals. And mine isn't. My telephone number is no different than my fingerprint. It has to be on file to be tracked and referenced in database queries.
Beijing Fox
03-24-08, 17:53
As I said earlier today to someone. So far Beijing just sucked, now it also stinks.. . . Time to move on. Just let's boycott Beijing and their fucking Olympics.
nice dickey response Zhuren.
I haven't broken any laws, so the authorities would not have my handphone number. Why, and how, would the authorities come after me ? Do they have telepathic powers, to know that out of 600 million or so mobile telephone numbers, that I may in fact, be using my mobile phone to be messaging a friend to meet me at a bar, restaurant, or KTV hall ? My number would have to be entered into some database of known associates of criminals. And mine isn't. My telephone number is no different than my fingerprint. It has to be on file to be tracked and referenced in database queries.
The number of mobile phone users in China is approx 450 mil, but that's besides the point. Just as all email traffic is read (or liable to be read) in China, text messages are routinely monitored. Which is not unlike Europe and the USA, where the same happens. Trust me, it's much easier than hacking into Jackson's server in Canada. Read CJW's post for further enlightenment.
Your friend Dickey.
PS: Reading PMs is equally easy. No need for hacking. Passwords are transmitted in the clear. Posts are made in the clear. HTTP traffic is as easily monitored as email or SMS traffic.
Crazy Jim Wood
03-24-08, 18:12
Do they have telepathic powers, to know that out of 600 million or so mobile telephone numbers, that I may in fact, be using my mobile phone to be messaging a friend to meet me at a bar, restaurant, or KTV hall ? My number would have to be entered into some database of known associates of criminals. And mine isn't. My telephone number is no different than my fingerprint. It has to be on file to be tracked and referenced in database queries.
It seems like the Mongolians are receiving some attention and the police probably have one of their cell phones -- that is a much more likely scenario than police hacking into ISG. So, if your number is in their phones, you're one in a few dozen, not one in 600 million. I think that I would think twice about texting the Mongolians and if I got an SMS from one of them I would ignore it until things blow over. I might also be cautious about the Mongolians' circle of customers. But if you haven't communicated with any of them by phone then you probably don't have a problem.
Or, if you like to live on the edge, take a photo of the Dalai Lama with your phone and send it to all of them. Lol.
CJW - I'm in the safe group - haven't communicated with any of them using my phone. If I had, I'd just plop in a new sim card. No dramas. My point was not about communicating with the girls tho - it was about communicating with other guys. And I still suggest that sms-ing, non-hooker to non-hooker, is probably a safer bet than PMs on the ISG bulletin board. But maybe that's just me.
Dickey, there were 565 million cellphone users in China at the end of February.... but that's beside the point.... :)
Beijing Fox
03-24-08, 23:55
I wasn't there last night, so I don't know what actually happened. Nevertheless it still sounds kafkaesque to me.Is there no possibility that it was just a tip off from somebody at the KTV place? E.g.another customer next door, etc.You never know.
The number of mobile phone users in China is approx 450 mil, but that's besides the point. Just as all email traffic is read (or liable to be read) in China, text messages are routinely monitored. Which is not unlike Europe and the USA, where the same happens. Trust me, it's much easier than hacking into Jackson's server in Canada. Read CJW's post for further enlightenment.
Your friend Dickey.
PS: Reading PMs is equally easy. No need for hacking. Passwords are transmitted in the clear. Posts are made in the clear. HTTP traffic is as easily monitored as email or SMS traffic.
I posted this 9/30/07:
Quote: "- Sweeps and round-ups of usual suspects before big events is common practice throughout the world. Cities want to look clean. Police want to look busy. There are budgets that need to be rationalized.
- Clamp-downs on prostitution before a big party congress are a routine affair - in the USA for instance.
- The 17th National Party Congress is coming to town October 15th. Anything un-harmonious has to tone down or will be tuned-out. (http://cliffordcoonan.dreamhosters.com/blog/?p=316) (Expat night-owls, take note: According to the just quoted report, "property owners are told not to rent their homes to people who “stay out late” and have “irregular lifestyles.”) This is what's currently happening. It's not the Olympics - yet.
- Of course, similar - or possibly even more thorough - house-cleaning is to be expected before the Olympics.
- China is under a lot of criticism, and events like the Olympics are always used to focus political pressure. As mentioned before, far in ADVANCE of last year's soccer world championship, Germany faced a wave of international criticism (http://www.google.com/search?q=trafficking+women+soccer+world+championship&hl=en&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-07,GFRG:en&start=10&sa=N) for supposedly tolerating trafficking of women to service inebriated soccer fans. Lurid stories that smacked of comfort women during WWII were wildly circulated. Bogus reports of "wooden sex huts, or 'performance boxes'" spread like wildfire.
- The US State Department weighed in, (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world/europe/06slavery.html) and not to be outdone, the US Consulate in Frankfurt organized a campaign (http://frankfurt.usconsulate.gov/frankfurt/web_chats.html) to "to help victims of trafficking who are forced into prostitution in Germany."
- Claes Borgström, Sweden's Equal Opportunities Ombudsman, urged Swedish soccer players to boycott the World Cup. (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,411064,00.html) They might as well have, the Swedes didn't even enter the Quarter Finals.
- Prostitution is legal in Germany. Nevertheless, under massive political pressure, brothels were raided in wholesale fashion. In Munich alone, 48 brothels were raided. (http://www.sexwork.com/whatisnew/worldcupmania.html) And nothing was found.
- In the end, the whole story turned out to be one big lie. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2007-05-08-3654392893_x.htm)
- However, in the debunking story just quoted, USA Today reported that "Germany's raids on brothels, information campaigns and coordination with non-governmental groups should serve as a model for hosts of future major sporting events, such as next year's Olympics in Beijing."
Don't blame the Chinese for being in tune with world opinion." Endquote.
Sound familiar now?
The house cleaning has begun in earnest. China is rightly sick & tired of NGO meddling. If closing some bars and KTVs is all that it takes, then China would rather pre-empt the NGOs on this one.
Someone is making some serious points:
- China will not fall in the same trap of world opinion: These Olympics will be clean.
- Raiding Maggies during their Grand Opening and closing it down the next day? Nobody is above the law, there's a new sheriff in town.
- Raiding all the bars again and again? This is no more "look busy." This is the real one, and it will last.
- Shutting down phony visa extension services, (http://www.newsweek.com/id/109541/output/print) clamping down on dubious interns and English teachers? Foreigners are not above the law and must abide by the rules like anyone. (And we get a tiny taste of how it feels if you are Chinese and want to travel to Europe or -perish the thought- USA.)
- A Son-of-Sam on the loose who kills Mongolians, and attracts attention to prostitution, murder, diplomatic embarrassment? Kick out the Mongolians, problem solved. Update: Kicking out not needed. Mongolians are leaving town in wholesale fashion.
- An off-color website called ISG first attracts attention of Beijing bloggers, (http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/) then snubs its nose at Beijing's Finest and organizes a "clandestine" get-together? Show some police presence, and they will scram. The off-color website will be full with reports that the police means business.
Yet, China still has a long ways to go before it reaches world standards. In the US, WGs and Johns are routinely entrapped by vice cops, cars are seized as accessories, names and pictures published in the press and on websites. And if you have the tough luck of being a Governor, your complete SMS traffic will be posted for the world to see, then you will be forced to drag your wife in front of the cameras, apologize to the nation, resign, and open a lawfirm.
Comparatively, last night's police acted with professional restraint:
- The men were left alone.
- The ladies had to surrender their passports
- Two without passports were driven home. They surrendered their passports, police left them at home.
- At the time of this writing, one passport was returned. 5 ladies are sitting at the station, waiting for theirs.
Update: Ladies released. Passports not.
Had this happened in Manhattan, all would have spent the night in Central Booking. Those on tourist visas would have given the option of heading for JFK and leaving the country, or face trial. Citizens would have faced a frustrated and overworked judge. If they contracted the services of an expensive lawyer who cut a deal with the DA, they would have been sentenced to community service, raking leaves in Central Park. Those without money for proper legal representation would have been given temporary residence on Ryker's Island.
Still, FBI head Robert Mueller declared himself "very much impressed" with China's pre-Games security drive, when he visited a few month ago.
I just arrive yesterday home, back from Beijing. It was my first but probably not last time there!
I only have 1 experience with a lady i paid!
A man in front of my hotel (near olympic stadium) propose me a girl for 1000 RMB. Because what i read refused and propose 300 RMB :-) and we make a deal for 400 RMB. I ask to see the girl. first problem... but he arrange it so that the girl walk on the street but do not stop! He was stressed!
Girl was ok and 20 minutes later she was in my room. Good esperience!
The day after, i called the man because he was not in the front of my hotel.
Ask him for one other girl same condition. He said me ok but the girl never arrived.
Call him the next day, he said me he had some difficulties and he have to stop the bussines for few days.
I was lucky to have some e-mail I organise before my trip and I had a contact with a girl who is looking for a westerner to get married!
It was a realy good experience cost me two dinner for 3 nights full of sex :-))
Will come back in 2 months and will certainly contact her again.
Beijing Fox
03-25-08, 12:09
Given the fact that most prostitution in/out of countries like e.g. Mongolia is done because of poverty and desparate need, I wonder whether the American and European NGOs will provide money to the girls and mothers they indirectly deprive of their income.
I posted this 9/30/07:
Quote: "- Sweeps and round-ups of usual suspects before big events is common practice throughout the world. Cities want to look clean. Police want to look busy. There are budgets that need to be rationalized.
- Clamp-downs on prostitution before a big party congress are a routine affair - in the USA for instance.
- The 17th National Party Congress is coming to town October 15th. Anything un-harmonious has to tone down or will be tuned-out. (http://cliffordcoonan.dreamhosters.com/blog/?p=316) (Expat night-owls, take note: According to the just quoted report, "property owners are told not to rent their homes to people who “stay out late” and have “irregular lifestyles.”) This is what's currently happening. It's not the Olympics - yet.
- Of course, similar - or possibly even more thorough - house-cleaning is to be expected before the Olympics.
- China is under a lot of criticism, and events like the Olympics are always used to focus political pressure. As mentioned before, far in ADVANCE of last year's soccer world championship, Germany faced a wave of international criticism (http://www.google.com/search?q=trafficking+women+soccer+world+championship&hl=en&rls=GFRG,GFRG:2007-07,GFRG:en&start=10&sa=N) for supposedly tolerating trafficking of women to service inebriated soccer fans. Lurid stories that smacked of comfort women during WWII were wildly circulated. Bogus reports of "wooden sex huts, or 'performance boxes'" spread like wildfire.
- The US State Department weighed in, (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/06/world/europe/06slavery.html) and not to be outdone, the US Consulate in Frankfurt organized a campaign (http://frankfurt.usconsulate.gov/frankfurt/web_chats.html) to "to help victims of trafficking who are forced into prostitution in Germany."
- Claes Borgström, Sweden's Equal Opportunities Ombudsman, urged Swedish soccer players to boycott the World Cup. (http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,411064,00.html) They might as well have, the Swedes didn't even enter the Quarter Finals.
- Prostitution is legal in Germany. Nevertheless, under massive political pressure, brothels were raided in wholesale fashion. In Munich alone, 48 brothels were raided. (http://www.sexwork.com/whatisnew/worldcupmania.html) And nothing was found.
- In the end, the whole story turned out to be one big lie. (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2007-05-08-3654392893_x.htm)
- However, in the debunking story just quoted, USA Today reported that "Germany's raids on brothels, information campaigns and coordination with non-governmental groups should serve as a model for hosts of future major sporting events, such as next year's Olympics in Beijing."
Don't blame the Chinese for being in tune with world opinion." Endquote.
Sound familiar now?
The house cleaning has begun in earnest. China is rightly sick & tired of NGO meddling. If closing some bars and KTVs is all that it takes, then China would rather pre-empt the NGOs on this one.
Someone is making some serious points:
- China will not fall in the same trap of world opinion: These Olympics will be clean.
- Raiding Maggies during their Grand Opening and closing it down the next day? Nobody is above the law, there's a new sheriff in town.
- Raiding all the bars again and again? This is no more "look busy." This is the real one, and it will last.
- Shutting down phony visa extension services, (http://www.newsweek.com/id/109541/output/print) clamping down on dubious interns and English teachers? Foreigners are not above the law and must abide by the rules like anyone. (And we get a tiny taste of how it feels if you are Chinese and want to travel to Europe or -perish the thought- USA.)
- A Son-of-Sam on the loose who kills Mongolians, and attracts attention to prostitution, murder, diplomatic embarrassment? Kick out the Mongolians, problem solved. Update: Kicking out not needed. Mongolians are leaving town in wholesale fashion.
- An off-color website called ISG first attracts attention of Beijing bloggers, (http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/china-blogger/hot-sex/) then snubs its nose at Beijing's Finest and organizes a "clandestine" get-together? Show some police presence, and they will scram. The off-color website will be full with reports that the police means business.
Yet, China still has a long ways to go before it reaches world standards. In the US, WGs and Johns are routinely entrapped by vice cops, cars are seized as accessories, names and pictures published in the press and on websites. And if you have the tough luck of being a Governor, your complete SMS traffic will be posted for the world to see, then you will be forced to drag your wife in front of the cameras, apologize to the nation, resign, and open a lawfirm.
Comparatively, last night's police acted with professional restraint:
- The men were left alone.
- The ladies had to surrender their passports
- Two without passports were driven home. They surrendered their passports, police left them at home.
- At the time of this writing, one passport was returned. 5 ladies are sitting at the station, waiting for theirs.
Update: Ladies released. Passports not.
Had this happened in Manhattan, all would have spent the night in Central Booking. Those on tourist visas would have given the option of heading for JFK and leaving the country, or face trial. Citizens would have faced a frustrated and overworked judge. If they contracted the services of an expensive lawyer who cut a deal with the DA, they would have been sentenced to community service, raking leaves in Central Park. Those without money for proper legal representation would have been given temporary residence on Ryker's Island.
Still, FBI head Robert Mueller declared himself "very much impressed" with China's pre-Games security drive, when he visited a few month ago.
Hey,
I have read now a lot of the things what happend in Beijing and it make me a litte afraid, because I have tried to contact a Mongolian Friend which I have meet at my stay overs in Beijing. Here name is Zoska and goes by the english name Jessica.
I hope evrything goes good because I will come back in October for 6 month to Beijing.
Beijing Fox
03-25-08, 13:40
the forum quiet today. sad and shell-shocked by the fact that we might have false friends listening in?
nobody should be surprised about that. we knew about it.
when i was at school we coded our written messages in case they were intercepted by the teachers. e.g 'to go for a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)' meant 'to have a smoke', 'a glass of water' meant 'to have a beer', etc.
now, anybody understand what i mean by 'last week i went where shit happens'?
Since the filters catch and monitor all data you send out from the internet, if PSB knows your IP, they can read your ISG username and password as well.
Maggies is a good business for the Chinese economy. You pay the girls, live in Beijing and spend your money here. The girls also live in Beijing and spend a portion of the money they make from you here as well. And you spend money at Maggies as well. All this money is going into Chinese pockets, improving the quality of life of everyone involved and its good business for everyone.
I'm sure most readers on this board know this. The PSB is not out to get you for your vices, and once the spotlight is no longer in China, the Chinese will welcome you and your wallets once again with open arms and closed eyes.
the forum quiet today. sad and shell-shocked by the fact that we might have false friends listening in?
nobody should be surprised about that. we knew about it.
when i was at school we coded our written messages in case they were intercepted by the teachers. e.g 'to go for a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134)' meant 'to have a smoke', 'a glass of water' meant 'to have a beer', etc.
now, anybody understand what i mean by 'last week i went where shit happens'?
i think we went to the same school. "meet you at the lunch counter" meant "let's get drunk during recess." and "wow! geography class! all those groovy colored maps!" meant ... but i digress.
anyway, if that code is broken, then we have to resort to the unbreakable "wosansnachadenackadenweiba?" pm me for the decoder ring.
but honestly, i think we are sad & shellshocked. and we'll soon be very lonely. all of the mongolinas i know are talking to ticket agents. five have delayed their departure, because they still don't have their passports back.
Beijing Fox
03-25-08, 15:03
My god, this means, I'll have to extend my weekend trips to Ulan?
But in the mean time:
Igeietzundlohmaoanowabirschtln
No problem, the decoder ring is in my genes
I think we went to the same school. "Meet you at the lunch counter" meant "Let's get drunk during recess." And "Wow! Geography class! All those groovy colored maps!" meant ... but I digress,
Anyway, if that code is broken, then we have to resort to the unbreakable "Wosansnachadenackadenweiba?" PM me for the decoder ring.
But honestly, I think we ARE sad & shellshocked. And we'll soon be very lonely. All of the Mongolinas I know are talking to ticket agents. Five have delayed their departure, because they still don't have their passports back.
My god, this means, I'll have to extend my weekend trips to Ulan?
That's the way it looks. I'd wait two weeks, all the seats are booked.
Crazy Jim Wood
03-25-08, 16:42
Still, FBI head Robert Mueller declared himself "very much impressed" with China's pre-Games security drive, when he visited a few month ago.
I hope that the FBI does not give China any tips on how to run a police state. That's the last thing we need.
But honestly, I think we ARE sad & shellshocked. And we'll soon be very lonely. All of the Mongolinas I know are talking to ticket agents. Five have delayed their departure, because they still don't have their passports back.
I think that wait and see is the best approach. I was in BJ the last two weekends. Some of the girls I know were prepared for the crackdown with planned trips back to Mongolia or had saved sufficient money to get past the Olympics. I was pretty amazed by some of the advanced planning by some of the girls.
Maggie's will return, and our favorite girls on earth will also. If not, maybe HK will again become the destination for those loving the taste of our favorite sisters.
The Tanuki
03-25-08, 16:55
i hope that the fbi does not give china any tips on how to run a police state. that's the last thing we need.
there is a class in bj next week on waterboarding techniques. word is that cheney will deliver the keynote speech...
tankuki
Beijing Fox
03-25-08, 18:38
Interestingly, when I discussed the crackdown and the closure of Maggie's with my regular last weekend, she didn't seem to be very concerned about it. Either she is dumm, or has enough regulars to only work on 'demand' from home. She didn't want to go into details, but, as I don't think she is dumm, it is probably the latter.As one of her regulars, I can vouch for her CRM techniques.
I think that wait and see is the best approach. I was in BJ the last two weekends. Some of the girls I know were prepared for the crackdown with planned trips back to Mongolia or had saved sufficient money to get past the Olympics. I was pretty amazed by some of the advanced planning by some of the girls.
Maggie's will return, and our favorite girls on earth will also. If not, maybe HK will again become the destination for those loving the taste of our favorite sisters.
Maggie's will return, and our favorite girls on earth will also. If not, maybe HK will again become the destination for those loving the taste of our favorite sisters.
Sure it will - some day. But as predicted, the "2 - 5 days" closure is niu shi.
Tonight is the 6th day of closure (we're counting the days like convicts...) and no end in sight. The staff is squarely laid off "until further notice." My prediction is (and I desperately hope I'm wrong,) that the closure will take longer than the redecoration.
Other places are open, but deserted. Girls have left, or don't dare to venture out. In true LIFO fashion, the new arrivals were the first to leave. BJFox, the lucky devil, received the windfall of six twentysomethings who escaped to SH (and who get accustomed to the lower pricing...) The more "seasoned" crowd initially decided to hunker down and sit it out, but they are leaving as well now. 5 are still without passports. They are packed and will go to UB once they have their passports back.
Recommendation: Get the Mongolian numbers of your best friends. It will be your only connection for a while. Last doesn't apply to shysters who "never exchanged phonecalls or messages with a WG." (Rumor has it, you'll contract the clap if you do.)
Sad times.
Interestingly, when I discussed the crackdown and the closure of Maggie's with my regular last weekend, she didn't seem to be very concerned about it. Either she is dumm, or has enough regulars to only work on 'demand' from home. She didn't want to go into details, but, as I don't think she is dumm, it is probably the latter.As one of her regulars, I can vouch for her CRM techniques.
My sad prediction is that the independents will be next after the bars are closed and the easy targets are gone. LE is already going to the trouble of going door to door in apartment buildings, looking for unregistered foreigners.
Little known and previously rarely enforced: You must register with the police within 24 hours if you stay in a private apartment, even if it's a friend's. Hotel registration with passport is o.k. Not doing so is a visa violation, and you can be kicked out.
Beijing Fox
03-26-08, 02:26
Does this mean, if I don't register, they will deport me to Ulan?
If so, I'll withdraw my registration at once.
:-)
Little known and previously rarely enforced: You must register with the police within 48 hours if you stay in a private apartment, even if it's a friend's. Hotel registration with passport is o.k. Not doing so is a visa violation, and you can be kicked out.
Does this mean, if I don't register, they will deport me to Ulan?
If so, I'll withdraw my registration at once.
:-)
This is a free country: The choice of your destination will be totally up to you.
Beijing Fox
03-26-08, 02:39
Then maybe I take the train together with our sisters.
Do you know whether they have private sleeping compartments with doors to lock?
This is a free country: The choice of your destination will be totally up to you.
Since the filters catch and monitor all data you send out from the internet, if PSB knows your IP, they can read your ISG username and password as well.
True.
The practice has set benchmarks and is widely copied in Europe. In Germany for instance, ISPs must store all connection data (Internet, cellphone) and surrender to LE on demand. In Teutonic efficiency, even a fee schedule has been set: 20 EUR per IP and disclosed user. The practice just survived a challenge in their highest court.
Again, China has a long ways to go.
Then maybe I take the train together with our sisters.
Do you know whether they have private sleeping compartments with doors to lock?
Those who pay the tickets get the key.
See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=723305&postcount=3132
Ragnarok42
03-26-08, 06:37
See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=723305&postcount=3132
got this one a few days ago:
Dear Ragnarok42,
Could you tell me either the number or the exact address of 419? It would be great if you know the contact information of any attractive girls.
Many thanks,
David
guy joined only last week and I will trust him? fat chance
The Tanuki
03-26-08, 06:38
See http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=723305&postcount=3132
We've got Anderson Cooper on his way out there now. He said for sure that's a good story to tell about the struggles the expats go through in pre-Olympic China to get laid. Woo Hoo! Post details!!
Beijing Fox
03-26-08, 06:52
It's turning from funny into ridiculous. (. . . .unfortunately it is bloody serious for some) Are we back at pre-school age?
got this one a few days ago:
Dear Ragnarok42,
Could you tell me either the number or the exact address of 419? It would be great if you know the contact information of any attractive girls.
Many thanks,
David
guy joined only last week and I will trust him? fat chance
I got same question by a very new member Davidxxxxxx. But I had to disappoint him.
got this one a few days ago:
Dear Ragnarok42,
Could you tell me either the number or the exact address of 419? It would be great if you know the contact information of any attractive girls.
Many thanks,
David
A guy joined only last week and I will trust him? Fat chance
Ragnarok42
03-26-08, 07:41
It's turning from funny into ridiculous. (. . . .unfortunately it is bloody serious for some) Are we back at pre-school age?
Just be thankful we can see through this. Or else we would be getting into a lot more trouble and many of our girls would be arrested.
So when shit happens, laugh.
Just be thankful we can see through this. Or else we would be getting into a lot more trouble and many of our girls would be arrested.
So when shit happens, laugh.
We get those all the time. From now on, they all get the same info:
"Her mobile is 1250250250250. She's 250 ST. "
Just coming back from a kindof emotional lunch with two Mongolian sisters who've been in BJ longer than I. They are packing and will be on the plane to UB tonight or tomorrow. According to their estimations, about 50 Mongolian sisters are doing or have done the same. "Everybody we know leaves."
Passport update: One out of 5 passports returned this morning. Holder will leave tomorrow. 4 passports still locked up, holders expect to be kicked out with 10 day notice. (Kind of contraproductive ... the ones with passports leave, the ones without want to, but cannot - you figure it out.)
Beijing Fox
03-26-08, 10:35
i've just been asked for advice about what to do? i would like to clarify the situation, before giving any advice.
as i understand it, the worst that can happen to the mongols is that their passport is confirep001ed and they have to leave within 10 days. is this correct? or are there other 'atrocities' waiting for them?
however, they cannot go out to work. which in a sense cancels the purpose of being in beijing, a place more expensive to live than ulan.
is that the reason, why they all depart so quickly? or are there still other reasons?
please give me a quick answer. thanks
just coming back from a kindof emotional lunch with two mongolian sisters who've been in bj longer than i. they are packing and will be on the plane to ub tonight or tomorrow. according to their estimations, about 50 mongolian sisters are doing or have done the same. "everybody we know leaves."
passport update: one out of 5 passports returned this morning. holder will leave tomorrow. 4 passports still locked up, holders expect to be kicked out with 10 day notice. (kind of contraproductive ... the ones with passports leave, the ones without want to, but cannot - you figure it out.)
i've just been asked for advice about what to do? i would like to clarify the situation, before giving any advice.
as i understand it, the worst that can happen to the mongols is that their passport is confirep001ed and they have to leave within 10 days. is this correct? or are there other 'atrocities' waiting for them?
correct. no other atrocities in the cards.
however, they cannot go out to work. which in a sense cancels the purpose of being in beijing, a place more expensive to live than ulan.
is that the reason, why they all depart so quickly? or are there still other reasons?
please give me a quick answer. thanks
that, plus:
being deported pretty much means no further chance of re-entry. they'd like to come back when the coast is clear.
The Tanuki
03-26-08, 17:26
Just coming back from a kindof emotional lunch with two Mongolian sisters who've been in BJ longer than I. They are packing and will be on the plane to UB tonight or tomorrow. According to their estimations, about 50 Mongolian sisters are doing or have done the same. "Everybody we know leaves."
Passport update: One out of 5 passports returned this morning. Holder will leave tomorrow. 4 passports still locked up, holders expect to be kicked out with 10 day notice. (Kind of contraproductive ... the ones with passports leave, the ones without want to, but cannot - you figure it out.)
While this is a very sad time for Beijing, I'd also wonder what this will look like to the mom's and dad's back in UB. I think you posted recently some of the reasons the girls gave their parents for not being at home. What are all these girls going to tell them when they all show up in town at once? It's gotta get the rumor mill going when that happens. :eek:
Crazy Jim Wood
03-26-08, 17:38
While this is a very sad time for Beijing, I'd also wonder what this will look like to the mom's and dad's back in UB. I think you posted recently some of the reasons the girls gave their parents for not being at home. What are all these girls going to tell them when they all show up in town at once? It's gotta get the rumor mill going when that happens. :eek:
No reason to tell Mom any story, she'll prolly be on the same airplane.
No reason to tell Mom any story, she'll prolly be on the same airplane.
Many of the girls ARE moms and do, well, did the job to support a child after the father had left ... or never bothered to be one.
All passports have been returned in the afternoon, and everbody is leaving now. All girls who were in custody have been warned repeatedly to never ever show up at a bar called Maggie's.
Someone made a point. And the point has been taken.
The Tanuki
03-26-08, 19:40
Many of the girls ARE moms and do, well, did the job to support a child after the father had left ... or never bothered to be one.
All passports have been returned in the afternoon, and everbody is leaving now. All girls who were in custody have been warned repeatedly to never ever show up at a bar called Maggie's.
Someone made a point. And the point has been taken.
So it will take some time for things to regroup. I'll follow those developments with interest from other parts of Asia. Since nobody in history has been ever able to stop WG's from finding their way, it'll just be fun to see who pops up where and when. Then again, that information might not be here in ISG... ;)
Beijing Fox
03-27-08, 01:46
[QUOTE=Zhuren] All girls who were in custody have been warned repeatedly to never ever show up at a bar called Maggie's.
QUOTE]
So is/was this a strike first of all against Maggie's? And not the Mongolians?
Probably both.
So is/was this a strike first of all against Maggie's? And not the Mongolians?
Probably both.
It was/is/will be a strike very hard campaign against vice that may taint the image of a clean Olympics.
It's a campaign that is thorough and that will last. It is a campaign that especially includes - for all to see - places and people who thought - or were thought - to be above the law. Someone clearly made and makes an example out of Maggie's. Note: While the other places are re-opened (resembling graveyards,) Maggie's remains closed.
Old Beijing hands will confirm that this is unprecedented.
It'll just be fun to see who pops up where and when. Then again, that information might not be here in ISG... ;)
As long as ISG remains open and accessible, it will be the most reliable news outlet for this not so specialized topic.
ISG broke the story first, and delivered eyewitness reports in real time.
Despite the adage that there is "no such thing as bad publicity" we should be more mindful when posting reports that might turn out to be counter-productive. This also goes for PMs from one post wonders who pry for specific info. Ignore the trolls.
Just to let you know, all the girls have to do is to go to mongolian embassy, say that they lost the Passport and will be issued another one within a day.
I have a very close friend who has 4 mongolian passports and yes I checked it, all are valid.
It is not like American or western passports. The mongolians can have as many passports as they like to have.
Guys, be realistic!
For sure, Maggie's will have to close down for the Olympics. During the Games, this place would be frequented like St. Peter during Eastern, and this will certainly not fit in the picture China wants to give to the World. I honestly did expect this.
Maggie's did enjoy some special protection in the last years, and God knows, why. The authorities were for sure very well in the picture what was going on there in the past. That Maggie's could operate without any hassle for such a long time only proves that it has a very powerful "Guardian Angel". Btw, have you guys ever noticed the little signs on the uniforms of the guards ... ?
The Mongolians also would operate without Maggie's in Beijing, and therefore, they have to dissapear for a certain period, they simply do not fit in the picture of a Proper Beijing.
However, I am quite sure that Maggie's will raise again like Phenix from the ashes after the Games. Wanna bet?
Levitian
Apart from the good connections that the owners of Maggies must have, I always assumed that Maggies were protected because the customers and girls were both Laowai and therefore in the eyes of the police, "not their problem".
I think that the crackdown on Maggies is mainly actually directed at the Mongolian girls and is partly due to the Olympics, partly due to the new police boss (as Zhuren reports) and partly due to the death of the Mongolian girl (as also reported here,,never heard about that anywhere else).
But I guess,,once these things pass,,all will be back to normal,,
Maggie's did enjoy some special protection in the last years, and God knows, why.Besides the rumors of who really is behind Maggie's, I imagine that the action was always seen as foreigner-on-foreigner. With the influx of visitors over the next few months, there was no way that it was going to stay open and, deep down, I think that everybody knew that.
However, this is a reminder that there continue to be an incredible number of local girls who fly under the radar in the way that the Mongolian beauties never will be able to. Beijing also remains one of the great cities for freebies as well.
The Tanuki
03-27-08, 07:25
I think that the crackdown on Maggies is mainly actually directed at the Mongolian girls and is partly due to the Olympics, partly due to the new police boss (as Zhuren reports) and partly due to the death of the Mongolian girl (as also reported here,,never heard about that anywhere else).
Is anyone seeing the non-Mongolian WG's in the bars? As good as the Mongolian sisters were, they were still outnumbered in town.
Inquiring minds (the small head anyways) want to know...
Tankuki
Beijing Fox
03-27-08, 07:33
What the recent experience with questions by 'false friends' in the forum has clearly shown is, that we should not post specific information (like location, house number, floor, tel number, etc.) on this forum for everybody to see.
I know this somehow is against the purpose of this forum, but if you post an address so that your brother can go, the police can go as well.
I hope this will change again after the Olympics, but for the time being it may be better to be safe than sorry.
As long as ISG remains open and accessible, it will be the most reliable news outlet for this not so specialized topic.
ISG broke the story first, and delivered eyewitness reports in real time.
Despite the adage that there is "no such thing as bad publicity" we should be more mindful when posting reports that might turn out to be counter-productive. This also goes for PMs from one post wonders who pry for specific info. Ignore the trolls.
The Tanuki
03-27-08, 07:47
What the recent experience with questions by 'false friends' in the forum has clearly shown is, that we should not post specific information (like location, house number, floor, tel number, etc.) on this forum for everybody to see.
Now that Sheriff non-Woody has arrived, most of my phone numbers are useless anyways. All I have is Sammy T's and that is probably on most bathroom walls already... :)
I visited Beijing in July 2007. I read many internet articles on Beijing life before proceeding there. The recommended hotel was Jinglum. I checked in there and asked for a massage in my room. That did the trick. I consider hotel room much safer and convenient than other places. Particularly, Hotel Jinglum is a heaven.
I telephoned the massage desk at Jinglun Hotel in the evening and asked for a massage girl. Within 5/6 minutes, somebody knocked at my door and I found someone of 20+ age. She was pretty and could also speak some English words. She told me to take off all my clothes and lay down at the bed over a towel which she put on the bed. I took off my clothes except my underwear but she pointed towards that and told me 'yes, yes, take off'. I did that and realized that she would definitely fulfill my desire.
I lay down upside down and she started massaging my back with oil. She was wearing a white track suit and started talking slowly like why I am in Beijing, what I do etc. I praised her for her massage and also for her cute body. She thanked me and told me she worked hard to manage her study. I could smell how she would proceed. So, I took time and pretended to be an innocent man who just wants massage, no extra.
After some time, while she was sitting on my left and massaging my hip very slowly, I gradually turn my body slightly to let her see my cock. She promptly grabbed my cock and wanted 2000 yuan for a full service. I again pretended of not noticing that she was holding my cock. After almost half an hour of negotiation, we settled at 800 yuan.
i took it for granted that all massage girls at jinglun hotel would love to go for offering additional service. i was wrong even in my second encounter. when i telephoned massage desk to send a girl for massage, it sent one girl who could not speak or understand any bit of english. i thought, body language would be enough but that also proved wrong. when she instructed me to take off my clothes, i took off everything. but she screamed and said 'no, no' and indicated that i should keep my undies on. that shocked me but i did that.
while massaging, i insisted her several times that she should concentrate on my pelvic area only. she did that but she did not allow me to take off my undies. she even slipped her hands inside my undies to massage my hip and areas around my balls. by that way, she also caressed my cock and balls, may be not intentionally, but did not hold those intentionally. i was in a terribly bad shape. so i begged her but she refused to do anything more. she was smiling and smiling. i thought she was playing with me. i pulled her close to me and slipped my fingers inside her panties but she screamed and refused, and said 'don rip ([CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)) me.'
i did not go further but asked that massage desk to send another girl for one hour.
editor's note: i would suggest that the author or another forum member consider posting a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
The only thing that is really surprising about this whole crackdown is how early it is taking place. It is something I would have expected in June, not March. The question for me is how long can the Maggie's owners stay liquid and not operate, and whether they will be allowed to open for business as usual again.
Now that Sheriff non-Woody has arrived, most of my phone numbers are useless anyways. All I have is Sammy T's and that is probably on most bathroom walls already... :)
Funny: Most of the phone numbers in my mobile now begin with 00976 ...
And most of the messages I get go like this "We are safely in Mongolia. What's the latest in Beijing?"
One Wing Low
03-27-08, 14:09
I am surprised that Chinese police even raided Sammy T's private Mongolian party. Very serious business. I am glad I did not give out contact info for some of the prettiest and sweetest girls in BJ.
It looks like Chinese government is serious about Western epxats being all decadent and local Chinese being all innocent. It's the Chinese thing about face....
It looks like Chinese government is serious about Western epxats being all decadent and local Chinese being all innocent. It's the Chinese thing about face....
Wrong spin on the matter, OWL, I'm sorry. If they would have been out to placate Western decadence, they would have collected the passports of the MALES, which they did not.
The message that was sent was loud and clear:
- Maggie's is closed down for good.
- And if anyone even thinks about setting up an ersatz-Maggie's, we're gonna get you.
- Capisce?
The message that was given to the girls several times and verbatim before they received their passports after two days was even louder & clearer:
- Stay away from Maggie's
- If we ever catch you at Maggie's, you won't get away as easily as now.
- Capisce?
By cutting off Maggie's raison d'etre, they don't have to worry whether it will open eventually or not. Who's gonna go there if there are no girls with names like Sogi, Ogi, Dogi, or Mogi? You think they'll survive as a BAR?
If I'd be them, I would franchise the hot dog stand all over Beijing:
"Maggie's Dogs. No Pussies."
(c) Zhuren - send PM for licensing agreement.
Their mascot. (http://www.cutedoggyfashion.com/images/Hot-Dog---Mustard--small.jpg)
Protoytpe product. (http://www.komar.org/bbq/grill/accessories/HotDogCookers.jpg)
JohnThomas0519
03-27-08, 16:29
Brothers.
Appears I left BJ and M just in time. Anyone been to HW? Is it also closed. My last time there two weeks ago certainly did not portend well.
One last query: what are you going to do with all the money you are saving?
Until we meet again.
JT
Beijing Fox
03-28-08, 01:10
You could use the Hot Dog roll as an Ersatz Dogi, and wrap it around your . . . Well, let's not get down this path.
If I'd be them, I would franchise the hot dog stand all over Beijing:
"Maggie's Dogs. No Pussies."
(c) Zhuren - send PM for licensing agreement.
Their mascot. (http://www.cutedoggyfashion.com/images/Hot-Dog---Mustard--small.jpg)
Protoytpe product. (http://www.komar.org/bbq/grill/accessories/HotDogCookers.jpg)
Beijing Fox
03-28-08, 01:47
My money? I'm currently spending it in Shanghai. One night in Beijing buys you two nights or two girls in Shanghai.
One last query: what are you going to do with all the money you are saving?
Until we meet again.
JT
One last query: what are you going to do with all the money you are saving?
Currently, I park it in 3 month CDs. After the Olympics, I'll invest it in the office building next door. That's before my shares in the Maggie's hot dog concessions, which are expected to go through the roof.
Actually, my biggest savings will come from barbills. Despite me only drinking coke, recently the price for the honor of entertaining two bargirls for two hours had climbed to the 5000 range, and I have the corresponding fapiaos.
Sammy reported similar developments.
Due to Maggie's no longer being a market participant, both of us now are suddenly awash in cash.
JohnThomas0519
03-28-08, 04:28
Currently, I park it in 3 month CDs. After the Olympics, I'll invest it in the office building next door. That's before my shares in the Maggie's hot dog concessions, which are expected to go through the roof.
Actually, my biggest savings will come from barbills. Despite me only drinking coke, recently the price for the honor of entertaining two bargirls for two hours had climbed to the 5000 range, and I have the corresponding fapiaos.
Sammy reported similar developments.
Due to Maggie's no longer being a market participant, both of us now are suddenly awash in cash.Real estate in America is down. Send all excess cash and I will invest for you :-)
SE Asia Joe
03-28-08, 05:48
Due to Maggie's no longer being a market participant, both of us now are suddenly awash in cash.
Hey Zhuren .... and all you other Beijing regulars - why don't y'all look at the present predicament/interruption as being an opportunity instead. Now here is your opportunity to go out there - explore the whole of Beijing, experience whatever else BJ has to offer, and exploit all those little hunnies that abounds in all sorts of venues there. BJ is NOT only Maggie's! I'll guarantee you!
Reason enuff to arm yourself with a pocket electronic dictionary, map and latest copy of Beijing Happenings, and try to brush up your ole Putonghua by charming the local populace - the fairer and firmer ones of course - and get supremely happy at probably half or even less price!
IMHO of course IMHO Only.
Peace and salutations
SE Asia Joe
P.s and errr... report back to us???
Hey Zhuren .... and all you other Beijing regulars - why don't y'all look at the present predicament/interruption as being an opportunity instead. Now here is your opportunity to go out there - explore the whole of Beijing, experience whatever else BJ has to offer, and exploit all those little hunnies that abounds in all sorts of venues there. BJ is NOT only Maggie's! I'll guarantee you!
Reason enuff to arm yourself with a pocket electronic dictionary, map and latest copy of Beijing Happenings, and try to brush up your ole Putonghua by charming the local populace - the fairer and firmer ones of course - and get supremely happy at probably half or even less price!
IMHO of course IMHO Only.
Peace and salutations
SE Asia Joe
P.s and errr... report back to us???
Sorry, SAJ, you really should be up here for a first-hand experience of what's going on. Or rather of what's not going on any more. See my reply at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=724342&postcount=23
Real estate in America is down. Send all excess cash and I will invest for you :-)
No dice. I got out in the nick of time in early 2007 ...
SE Asia Joe
03-28-08, 08:25
Sorry, SAJ, you really should be up here for a first-hand experience of what's going on. Or rather of what's not going on any more. See my reply at http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=724342&postcount=23
I feel for you - and can imagine what all of this is doing to your morale as well as your perception as to what the prospects are for mongering in BJ.
But please consider that BJ has a documented population nearing 15 million PLUS all those non-haikuo holders (including lots of undocumented xiaojies). Amongst all this, there are #??? mongers including and especially some of these Government bureaucrats who are so fond of being 'entertained' by those seeking permits/licences/signatures/approvals etc - and who practically go out mongering every night. I know as I had in the past been one of those guys 'entertaining' various officials.
OK - my knoweldge is from a couple or so years ago but I recall that the variety and supply of venues in BJ is literally endless; It ranges from the catacomb type of places at RMB30-50 to the BBS's at 150-300 to the lower end 1-3-7 KTV's to the middle 2-5-8 (and even these places has the 5'8" and above models) high end Passions at 5-15-30 (Yeah - I know its closed down already). Saunas - well again the whole gamut plus there are the semi pick up bars at Sanlitun (with a gal under every tree across the street) around Hou Hai lake, barber-hand-job places, bars around the stadium (Susie Wong was a great place for us Hong Kong guys), and the discos/dance clubs - Kiss, Mix, Babyface, Banana, more sedate bars/pubs/coffe houses, all these Show type bars with singers doing incredible acrobats and corner bars, and if I recall correctly there was even a gay/lesbian type places with a name like medidi or ??.
In other words - there were EVERYTHING, and I just cannot believe that all and everything is shut down. The demand is too great from the "general" (not laowai) population and I'd bet it'd just take a bit of exploring, befriending local punters and trying to get out of your comfort zone....and pretty soon you guys will be back on the saddle. and I'd predict that you'd all end up getting much more satisfied with what you could then get and probably spending a lot less
SE Asia Joe
OK - my knoweldge is from a couple or so years ago but I recall that the variety and supply of venues in BJ is literally endless.
Read http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=724342&postcount=23 again. It's all there. We all miss the olden days. They are over.
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