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Huckleberryfinn
09-21-08, 22:26
Thanks! Yeah, I'm trying to learn a little Chinese. Now getting the hang of PinYin. I'll also keep my eye out for the usual BBS' and Saunas.

By the way, here's a short report from my last visit to China ... I had a forced layover in Shijiazhuang when lovely China Eastern canceled my flight for apparently no reason. Directly across the street from the airport is a hotel and next to the hotel (or attached to it possibly; if facing the hotel, you walk around the left side. Large hot tub, pool and usual wash 'n scrub routine on the first floor. Second floor, foot and body massages. Upstairs, the "European" massage, which is a naked breast rub. I assume there is a lot more available, but I was with some business associates and declined to go whole hog. But the place is clean, neat and the service friendly.

Huck


One of my friend went there for buisness 3 or 4 years before and he told me the price would be around 150 per shot in the hotel. Nice service. You'd better say some chinese so that to find the best and comfortable one.

Hope this info could be helpful and good luck.

Tiger 888
09-21-08, 23:25
..."OK, thanks. nice to meet you. bye"... Funny, I had a Mongolian in HK a few yars back, who didi the same thing to me in the first night. Left after 2 (I convinced her to stay for the second) rounds despite having agreed on all night. But she was so good that I tried a second time. Same game. When I met her the next time, 6 months later (She was back in Mongolia in between) she came over to me, was all over me and we played drunk and kissed in the bar (sticky fingers) all evening. When the time came to leave, I told her, sorry, I have a friend from Germany (who was with me in the bar) stay at my place and can't bring her tonight. I gave her 100 HK$ for another 2 drinks and left. Next morning my friend told me she begged him to bring her to me. Of course he didn't. I went back next day and took her. This time she stayed well into the afternoon with one of my best memories ever.

Mojo888
09-22-08, 11:56
Just wondering whether anyone try those ads on the Beijing craigslist (erotic service).

There are plenty of posts each day. Most with pictures. Don't really expect those picture to be genuine. But at least they provide reasonable service.

Anyone to share their experience.I have tried one provider on Craigslist and got lucky. An ad that uses the name COCO. This provider, like many of them, use various names/photos, but lead to the same place. COCO and her friends use their apartment to do massage and FS. Most places in the places/girls in the CL ads are OUTCALL ONLY, so this is an exception as they have INCALL too. A girl-run business. Nice girls in their 20s--seem like white collar girls trying to make some money. And friendly, relaxed atmosphere. Not pushy at all. No pressure selling here. Like many of these ads, it's near Shuangjing Qiao, a bit south of Guomao. For INCALL, they usually have 3 girls at the apartment and then can call out for others if you are not happy with the selection. They do actually do massage if that is all you want. COCO herself is nice. She's similar to the photo in the ad: face not as nice, but still good and very nice young and tender body and wonderful service. Prices for massage around RMB300, FS negotiable, but around 1000 to 1200 generally--depends on the girl.

Linkhainan
09-22-08, 18:37
China Eastern is the biggest shit airline in China. Most Chinese customers, including I, avert from taking China Eastern no matter how cheapest ticket it offer. Have you ever heard the recent aviation scandal occured in April? It was made from China Eastern Airline as several flights simultaneously took the travelers return back on the way to destination without informing to anyone. After the investigation of this event, it was proved to be a protest or strike from pilots, but it caused big panic in public. Also, the lastest air tragedy happened to China Eastern as the flight crashed into pieces after no more than 15 minutes from take-off. All in all, loads of weird things!

I see there is a sub-forum here to learn Chinese characters. Feel free to post your questions, I would like to answer.


Thanks! Yeah, I'm trying to learn a little Chinese. Now getting the hang of PinYin. I'll also keep my eye out for the usual BBS' and Saunas.

By the way, here's a short report from my last visit to China ... I had a forced layover in Shijiazhuang when lovely China Eastern canceled my flight for apparently no reason. Directly across the street from the airport is a hotel and next to the hotel (or attached to it possibly; if facing the hotel, you walk around the left side. Large hot tub, pool and usual wash 'n scrub routine on the first floor. Second floor, foot and body massages. Upstairs, the "European" massage, which is a naked breast rub. I assume there is a lot more available, but I was with some business associates and declined to go whole hog. But the place is clean, neat and the service friendly.

Huck

Linkhainan
09-22-08, 18:45
Having checked the website of Craigslist, especially the "Erotic service" section, I assert most the pictures of girls are FAKE. Some of the pictures are Japanese AV stars, and others are from Taiwan or Hong kong. I also noticed one of the picture there is Shu Qi, the famous porn star in Hong Kong and internationally. How funny!!!

I have to say you are lucky man. but, if you go south from Guomao a little further (more further than to the Shuangjing Bridge), you could find vast interesting, colorful and erotic world.


I have tried one provider on Craigslist and got lucky. An ad that uses the name COCO. This provider, like many of them, use various names/photos, but lead to the same place. COCO and her friends use their apartment to do massage and FS. Most places in the places/girls in the CL ads are OUTCALL ONLY, so this is an exception as they have INCALL too. A girl-run business. Nice girls in their 20s--seem like white collar girls trying to make some money. And friendly, relaxed atmosphere. Not pushy at all. No pressure selling here. Like many of these ads, it's near Shuangjing Qiao, a bit south of Guomao. For INCALL, they usually have 3 girls at the apartment and then can call out for others if you are not happy with the selection. They do actually do massage if that is all you want. COCO herself is nice. She's similar to the photo in the ad: face not as nice, but still good and very nice young and tender body and wonderful service. Prices for massage around RMB300, FS negotiable, but around 1000 to 1200 generally--depends on the girl.

Taire Beijing
09-22-08, 18:56
Whilst waiting for St Mary's to once again open her gates, and as we are talking about poor service from mongolians, I had a similar experience around may from a mongolian I made the mistake of picking up in the pig.

I was showing an out of town friend around and have to be honest she was the only girl in the place that was remotely doing anything for me. I remembered having seen her ages before at maggies, must have been a couple of years prior to this time and had slightly regretted putting trying her out to a later visit as I hadn't seen her for so long.

I was quite keen to take her there and then, but she insisted she wanted a couple more drinks as she had just arrived, dispite the fact I had been there 30mins and she was there when i arrived, but what the heck.

Three glasses of wine later we are heading for the door. What follows was the most whiny cab ride home I have ever experienced, telling me how hard her life was, how she needed money for her family etc. It didn't help that she was partially drunk, well very tip-see at the least.

We get back to my place and usual making out, no request for money yet though, off comes her bra and I seriously felt like crying. I have never seen a wonder bra have such an effect, in the bar they looked like a decent handful, not huge but medium sized, now they were practically non existant.

Not to be put off my task but such disappointments, I soldier on, both naked on the sofa, just about to get down to it, and like the idiot i am I am out of rubbers.

In my defence I had been playing all day with a Chinese girl that I see regularily when my misses is away, she is married, used to work for me, and very adventurous, for a chinese girl that is... actually that's a completely different story and I'm rambling. Back to the mongolian.

Anyway, no problem, I am with long standing member of the goldern horde, she is bound to be prepared, ..... I whisper, do you have any condoms, silence.. "No" . :( She say's she only just got back to beijing and had not had time to pick any up. hmmmm. Not to be deterred I say, no problem what about some oral instead. 'No I do not do that" WTF!!!!.

Anyway I tell her she may as well be on her way and head to the toilet, I come out, and not only has she not got dressed and left, she has gone and got into my bed butt naked. At this point I am trying to not go crazy. I have a policy of visitors only being accomodated in the spare room, never the room me and the misses sleep in, too much danger of a stray hair.

My misses is Thai, she can pick up on stray hairs at 30 feet with her eyes closed. Seriously, it's a gift, if I could train her to be the same with explosives security at the airport would offer to pay a fortune for her.

I get her out the bed and send her on her way, I gave her 400 just to get shot, i know I'm a sucker, but it was only 12.30 and I had maggies on my mind. Sometimes it helps to live a 10 min walk away :). She moans about being tired and just wants to sleep, blah blah blah but leaves.

Anyway, I walk in to maggies, get to the bar and she is 10 feet away with another guy. I almost walked over and advised him to make sure he was carrying vital supplies, but then I saw my favorite of the seven sisters, said a quick 'thank you god' and forgot about wonder bra girl. E has a habit of making you forget such things :) .

What followed did restore my faith in Mongolian's everywhere, but having read the reports today I am begining to wonder if it is worth actually trying out new ones or sticking with the tried and trusted lovelies.

Anyway, got an email from E a couple of weeks ago telling me she will be back in sept but did not have a date yet, tried her number yesterday, no response, phone off. Maybe she wasn't up yet. No biggie as the misses is still here till sept 30th, at which point god help me if E is not back and St Mary's is not open again.

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Taire Beijing
09-22-08, 19:12
Just wondering whether anyone try those ads on the Beijing craigslist (erotic service).

There are plenty of posts each day. Most with pictures. Don't really expect those picture to be genuine. But at least they provide reasonable service.

Anyone to share their experience.I tried a couple from craigslist, both turned into nightmares. Maybe it was just bad luck, maybe I should have learned the first time and not tried a second.

The first time the only thing the girl who arrived had in common with the girl in the photo was that they were both chinese and had long black hair. Her breath stank and she was not attractive. Ahh well, it was late, I was tired and I needed a shag before I would be able to sleep.

A short attempt from her at an oil massage and then she wants to get straight on with it. No way I was even thinking about kissing her, I could not tell if the smell was from rancid food or if she had been blowing her previous 5 punters and not cleaned her teeth. Went to fuck her and she is all greased up with KY before she arrives!!! Some passing attempts at moaning, totally unconvincing. She even answers her phone in the middle to talk to the next poor sod. Anyway I manage to get her into doggy and finish, give her the 1000 we negotiated in advance and send her off. One thing I could not believe was that the girl did not even shower before she left. A seriously not good experience.

I think the second was a CL girl, but thinking back now she may have been a Cityweekend one. On the plus side, at least when she arrived she looked 'ball park' the same as the picture, actually I was pleasantly surprised by her body. The downside was it was what I can only describe as a standard chinese service, then she was up and off. Wanted to haggle over a taxi fare, even though before I had been specific about price.

I normally build into negotiations that I am likely to tip around 100 if she is good, 50 if just ok. She was ok, but asking, forcefully, for 20 for the taxi. In the end she did herself out of 30 kuai as I gave her the 20 but that was all. I don't like being asked for tips quite as forcefully as she was asking.

I much prefer the whole being in a disco/bar (i.e. Maggies, Fenwicks or Rendevous), checking out the girl first and then making a decision, just having them show up at the door is not something I will try again I think, but to each their own.

Just my 2 cents

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ChefType
09-23-08, 04:13
I'll make this brief and get to the information that may help. I started my evening with 2 ISG members exploring and sharing ideas over tea and food. We moved on to share Miss Jins location with one of the members who had not met her and I just could not resist. I just like her style, I guess she doesn't set every guys cock to stun but she certainly gets me hot everytime I see her. Location is difficult to find but once shown easy to get back to. After some dinner and exploration we separated and I decided to have a beer before calling it a night. Stopped in at Durty Nellies an Irish pub across the riverwalk bridge from the Luftansa Center. Had a pint and walked out away from the river because in the past I have been approached by a mamasan offering some cute young Chinese girls for reasonable prices. Tonight was no exception... It was getting late around midnight so Mama only had one girl left but she had a flat tummy showing below her belly shirt and skin tight jeans revealing what proved to be a tight little playground. I paid 400 rmb for a two hour fuckfest with a girl half my age. I will not be posting anything like that from America after I return home. She was very cooperative, switched positions at my direction with a smile. She took everything I gave her without issues and collapsed on the bed smiling once I popped. The Mama has many others just go earlier in the evening for the best selection. I have not seen this street active since before the games began. I will be going back tonight to check out the whole string offered. All in All it was a good value in my opinion. Miss Jin is terrific for 200RMB half hour sessions but Mamas girls will give you more time for your money. Happy Hunting,
ChefType

Gao Xing
09-23-08, 08:29
I came across the Eronite Massage while doing a Google search recently (www.chinamassagegirl. Cn). Has anyone tried this out? It seems to be very different from the other massage websites, such as www.sayoli.net, as it advertises itself as a premium massage club.

So not to be someone who just posts requests for information without providing any, I'll give a brief report. A couple weeks ago, after coming home late, I did call one of the classified massage services. (I don't recall exactly, but think it was Lily Massage, referenced above.) A girl showed up after about 45 minutes.- tall, thin, from northeastern China. Nice body, okay face. Olympic pricing seemed to be in effect.- offered straight massage for 400, up to the full package for 2, 500! I negotiated down to 1, 500.- still a lot, but it was late and she was already in my room. What can I say?

I've called the massage services in the back of the English language magazines a couple times, but it's always real hit-or-miss, and rather expensive. I would like to find something where the girls are actually trained in massage, similar to what is offered at Regency Massage (see my previous report). So, if Eronite lives up to the billing on its website, it could be a decent service. Thanks in advance for any information.

Giddyboy
09-23-08, 09:52
Craigslist really is hit and miss and so is any other "outcall" service from a website or card under the door. I've found that once you find a really nice "outcall wg" then once you get to know her and let her know what you like (appearance and style) then she can be a good source to hook you up. For instance, about a month before the olympics I had a hankering for younger university innocent types no older than 22 and the part-time outcall wg that i had met on numerous occasions was able to spread the word out to her fellow university students eager to make some extra cash.

It may have been a pre-olympic paranoia rush on my part - but I think overall in that month i contributed well over 9000 rmb to "CWU" (at 600 a pop, do the math).

What's also amazing is that I only discovered this site 2 weeks ago - unbelievable and awesome.

Linkhainan
09-23-08, 11:25
My suggestion is never to try Craigslist, all are the fake and nightmire will ensue. I see you guys only know somewhere about Eastern 2nd or 3th ring road, here I would like to share some info in Beijing other places:

Southern 2nd ring road:

There are some KTV where provide girls with variety shows by using their breast, hip or pussy in private room. You may take part in the "game" with these girls by using your penis. HaHa. The whole course the girls are nude. After the fun in private room, you could take them out for FS as well. I know some Mamasan, and all the girls are excellent, much better than in the DISCO I rate. Otherwise, if she is not charming, the Mamasan won't hire her. Also if she does not serve well, you may complain to Mamasan to punish her or refund your money.

Southern 3th ring road:

More amateur girls live there. Some of them are students. You know, amateurs are more better than those professionals in respect of excitement, service attitude, good looking, etc. They never go to DISCO, but stay at home and surf the internet to seek some clients.

Northwest 4th ring road:

Around area of Shi Ji Jin Yuan Hotel. There is a famous DISCO and many other series of night life service places.

Zhong Guan Cun Areas:

Here lies several famous Chinese Universities, so college girls converge to live this district. Part of them do some "part-time job" by using internet. Good quality than professionals as well.

To be continued....


I tried a couple from craigslist, both turned into nightmares. Maybe it was just bad luck, maybe I should have learned the first time and not tried a second.

The first time the only thing the girl who arrived had in common with the girl in the photo was that they were both chinese and had long black hair. Her breath stank and she was not attractive. Ahh well, it was late, I was tired and I needed a shag before I would be able to sleep.

A short attempt from her at an oil massage and then she wants to get straight on with it. No way I was even thinking about kissing her, I could not tell if the smell was from rancid food or if she had been blowing her previous 5 punters and not cleaned her teeth. Went to fuck her and she is all greased up with KY before she arrives!!! Some passing attempts at moaning, totally unconvincing. She even answers her phone in the middle to talk to the next poor sod. Anyway I manage to get her into doggy and finish, give her the 1000 we negotiated in advance and send her off. One thing I could not believe was that the girl did not even shower before she left. A seriously not good experience.

I think the second was a CL girl, but thinking back now she may have been a Cityweekend one. On the plus side, at least when she arrived she looked 'ball park' the same as the picture, actually I was pleasantly surprised by her body. The downside was it was what I can only describe as a standard chinese service, then she was up and off. Wanted to haggle over a taxi fare, even though before I had been specific about price.

I normally build into negotiations that I am likely to tip around 100 if she is good, 50 if just ok. She was ok, but asking, forcefully, for 20 for the taxi. In the end she did herself out of 30 kuai as I gave her the 20 but that was all. I don't like being asked for tips quite as forcefully as she was asking.

I much prefer the whole being in a disco/bar (i.e. Maggies, Fenwicks or Rendevous), checking out the girl first and then making a decision, just having them show up at the door is not something I will try again I think, but to each their own.

Just my 2 cents

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Andreas Wang
09-23-08, 13:49
Time to report a bit again. Less than before as freebies take over from hired helpers.


MAIN ITEM:

I had my bike's back wheel, tire as well as pedal gear replaced. The pedal axis of the P-13 made funny sounds every time I broke the light barrier, now things run smooth again.


MINOR NEWS:

ISG panel at Chaoyangmen / Hujialou

ChefType already mentioned, we had a get together between him, K Zero and me. Stricly social ... until I had to briefly excuse myself and left ChefType in K's custody. To my shock Zero K completely neglected his duties and ChefType ended up alone with Miss Jin in a certain establishment of ill repute where certain shenanigans are going on which I do not dare to elaborate on (because ChefType already did so).

We eventually took a brief look again at the Hujialou Shops and everything is working proper again there. I imagine two new shops opened (or reopened) there over the last week. We were mostly just strolling though and not making inquiries about what exaclty was on offer.


Miss Jin expanding business

Jin told me already a few weeks ago that she and her coworker have rented a flat nearby her shop to conduct business there. I had a look at the place yesterday: It is very close by her shop in a typical Chinese appartment block, clean flat, fairly spacious actually, furnishing is in light colours. Furthermore Jin said she has two other girls working for her there now. Prices remain the same (200 RMB FS, CBJ, ST).

Downside to it all: She will not let foreigners in during the daytime. They have these neighborhood watch aunties spoiling the fun and Jin is not keen on abandoning her low profile she has kept successfully so far. I went for a look yesterday around 0:00 and she said 23:30 is also fine, but she just can't take any daytime risk with tall Caucasians drawing attention.

That being said I also had no chance to meet the other two girls as their day was already over. Only Jin and Zhang live there properly, there other girls live off site. Jin said she could do well with two more girls and if I know any please recommend to her. Ages should be in their 20s and anything else about her company policies she claimed she can teach.

The above setup seems to be pretty common in China. Zero K described similar settings like that over teatime, confirming the main drawback that they do not like to cater to foreigners to avoid undue attention. As said, Jin will make an exception to that ... but only late at night. Outcall remains an alternative of course.


Chunxiu Lu 春秀路 (thanks to Krum Love)

Our poster Krum Love PMed me inquiring about a few bbs areas he read about. Back then I was too busy to check them out, but I caught up recently.

There are a few bbs north of the Worker Stadium along Chunxiu Lu 春秀路. Chunxiu Lu runs North off the Worker Stadium, connecting Gongren Tiyunchang Beilu with Dongyhimen Waidajie 东直门外大街. Here how to find that one on the map:

http://map.sogou.com/index.html#city=%u5317%u4EAC&lq=%u6625%u79C0%u8DEF&page=1&c=12961984.37500039,4828972.65625,15&iw=COPY_1000023462817

The shops are situated North of that little bend you see on the map on the East side of the street behind a fence. Only three shops and the ones leff and right only offered HJ. The one in the middle offered FS and the staff is maybe best described as "big-titted" and "wide-hipped". That was the only remarkable thing I recall and that they quoted 200 RMB for HJ and 400 RMB for FS from an unsuspecting Laowai as myself.


Dongdaqiao Lu / Ritan Beilu 东大桥路 日坛北路 (thanks to Krum Love)

Another area mentioned by Krum was the Dongdaqiao Lu and Ritan Beilu intersection, not far away from THE SPACE:

http://map.sogou.com/index.html#iw=COPY_1000023462817&city=%u5317%u4EAC&lq=%u4E1C%u5927%u6865%u8DEF&page=1&c=12962640.624999806,4825968.75,14

Checked two shops there yesterday, only HJ offered and 100 RMB quoted. I came by that place with Jin on the luggage rack of the P-13 as we both headed the same direction.


Still on my todo list

a) Check out a stretch of bbs near the Temple of Heaven which I spotted from the bus.
b) Still to meet up with Sammy one day. Best would be with Zero K, who had been to Beijing 8 years and so far also never met Sammy in person.

FernandoAlonso
09-23-08, 17:19
I'll make this brief and get to the information that may help. I started my evening with 2 ISG members exploring and sharing ideas over tea and food. We moved on to share Miss Jins location with one of the members who had not met her and I just could not resist. I just like her style, I guess she doesn't set every guys cock to stun but she certainly gets me hot everytime I see her. Location is difficult to find but once shown easy to get back to. After some dinner and exploration we separated and I decided to have a beer before calling it a night. Stopped in at Durty Nellies an Irish pub across the riverwalk bridge from the Luftansa Center. Had a pint and walked out away from the river because in the past I have been approached by a mamasan offering some cute young Chinese girls for reasonable prices. Tonight was no exception... It was getting late around midnight so Mama only had one girl left but she had a flat tummy showing below her belly shirt and skin tight jeans revealing what proved to be a tight little playground. I paid 400 rmb for a two hour fuckfest with a girl half my age. I will not be posting anything like that from America after I return home. She was very cooperative, switched positions at my direction with a smile. She took everything I gave her without issues and collapsed on the bed smiling once I popped. The Mama has many others just go earlier in the evening for the best selection. I have not seen this street active since before the games began. I will be going back tonight to check out the whole string offered. All in All it was a good value in my opinion. Miss Jin is terrific for 200RMB half hour sessions but Mamas girls will give you more time for your money.

Happy Hunting,

ChefTypeCheftype,

do you refer to the street along KUNLUN Hotel? Or do you mean behind the Lufthansa Center direction south, where their are many Massage parlours?Had mixed experiences there, asking upfront etc.

But god life comes back!!

FA

ChefType
09-24-08, 04:55
Gentlemen,
If there were any doubts about life returning to normal at the Pig and Thistle inside the Lido Hotel you should officially put them aside. I was there for about an hour last evening and it was packed with delightful woman of many shapes and sizes. I did not see any of the infamous sisters from the north but the place was literally crawling with mid level Chinese hookers. I saw three absolutely stunning women and a herd of acceptable looking girls. I counted 28 at one point but they were coming and going as the market was doing brisk business. Everyone was all smiles it was just a joy to see people living life as we should always be allowed to. The girls had what they needed a roomful of tightly wound expats looking to unwind and unload after the crush of Olympic nonsense. The guys could only have been happier if the Mongolians had returned and I suspect they will if things contiune to loosen up.
I never made it to the street I mentioned in my last post due to the rain and all of the eye candy at the pig. The street I mentioned is on the opposite side of Durty Nellies bar from the side entrance to the Polaner German pub inside the Luftansa Center. The street leads to the big FX signed building but the mama hangs out at the end of that street towards the Liangmaxiao subway stop.

ChefType
09-24-08, 13:35
After a very disappointing performance by a previously lusted after young Mongolian this afternoon I had to console myself and finish what she promised to finish and never did... I rode the subway back to the land of Barbershops that Andreas Wang had listed and found a young spinner who out performed the Mongolian in every way for a quarter of the price. Granted what I experienced with the northern sister today was not typical of the Mongolians I have had the pleasure of enjoying before. She had a bad day... She even apologized as she was leaving. She just wasn't into it and I picked the wrong day and the wrong chick for an afternoon session. Luckily the Barbershop spinner more than made up for it. I did get a number if you are a senior member with at least one post that isn't about Maggies or the Pig and Thistle, I'll be happy to share it with you. The trick is she doesn't speak a word of anything but Chinese. Good acrobatic fucking for 200RMB only in Asia... Good Luck over the holiday guys keep the girls busy.

Taire Beijing
09-24-08, 20:49
Just a quick note on what must be many member's favorite establishment.

Driving past in a taxi arorund 10pm tonight I have to report the round gate was most definately open. A sight that I have not seen for many a long cruel month.

I was with the misses otherwise I would have yelled 'ting zhe' as loud as i could and gone over to investigate.

From what I could see there were a guy and a girl at the front gate with milling around, and as we went carried on past the lights inside seemed on. No bouncers, or hotdog stand for that matter, so maybe it's to early to declare the drought at an end but hopefully a sign that someone is dusting the place down ahead of an opening. :)

Roll on the 30th of the month (two weeks of freedom !!)

Worm
09-26-08, 05:54
Just a quick note on what must be many member's favorite establishment.

Driving past in a taxi arorund 10pm tonight I have to report the round gate was most definately open. A sight that I have not seen for many a long cruel month.

I was with the misses otherwise I would have yelled 'ting zhe' as loud as i could and gone over to investigate.

From what I could see there were a guy and a girl at the front gate with milling around, and as we went carried on past the lights inside seemed on. No bouncers, or hotdog stand for that matter, so maybe it's to early to declare the drought at an end but hopefully a sign that someone is dusting the place down ahead of an opening. :)

Roll on the 30th of the month (two weeks of freedom !!)



Saw some action there the other day as well. A truck parked out front and men carrying in boxes of what looked like liquor.

Zhuren
09-26-08, 06:03
Saw some action there the other day as well. A truck parked out front and men carrying in boxes of what looked like liquor.

Didn't check it out myself (to avoid further grief ...) but I called the usually reliable and well-informed sources.

Answer: "Re-opening definitely planned. Date unsure."

My gut says after the October holidays.

The Tanuki
09-26-08, 12:13
Didn't check it out myself (to avoid further grief ...) but I called the usually reliable and well-informed sources.

Answer: "Re-opening definitely planned. Date unsure."

My gut says after the October holidays.

I'm getting wood just thinking about it...

Tankuki

King Assington
09-26-08, 21:45
Hello,

I arrive next week and I'm looking for a massage with happy ending. I'm not overly jived about a FS, but I will go where my happy fellow leads me most of the time.

I'll be bunking down near the Beijing Zhaan, or Beijing Central Train Station. Are their any nice massage places with a happy ending near by?

Last time I was in Beijing I was in the Hutong district near the Far East Youth Hostel. I went into a massage parlour and was able to get a quickie for 300 rmb. Quite nice.. no fuss no muss. She laid on her back and I gave it all I could given my drunken state.

King Assington
09-26-08, 22:09
Suggestions on top quality oil massages with a happy ending in Beijing near the Central Train Station?

Sammy_T
09-27-08, 03:11
Made the rounds with Chef Type last night (Friday). I also had the pleasure of finally meeting Andreas Wang. Fantastic guy who has this town pat. He was able to get from shop to shop on bike much faster and easier than the Chef and I could on foot and by taxi. Below is a quick summary of the action as we saw it:

BBS near Alien market (Ms. Jin) and BBS near Fortune Plaza – standard BBS with cute, young girls. No English spoken, but it would be easy to get your point across via hand signals. It is reported by Chef and Andreas that for 200 rmb you can get a “quickie” at any one of these shops. All of the girls made an effort to get our attention, unlike during the Olympics when they would just sit in their shops and not pay attention to passersby.

Drove by Maggie’s @ 9, but no signs of life. In the past the doors would always open at 8, even if no one went there that early. Rumors continue to circulate about when they will open, but nothing has been confirmed. My guess is sometime around Oct 15 – otherwise they are going to miss Billy’s deep pockets when he is in town!

Hollywood @ 9:30 – Charged 40 RMB cover, and this does not include a drink. Beers were 30 rmb each. Not a single Russian in the place. Maybe 40 guys, all sitting around like they were waiting for the girls to show up. I only counted 4 girls in the place. I did not speak with them, but am guessing they were Mongolian. Bartender did not know when the girls would come back.

Absent/Elephant Bar @ 10 – No cover charge. They still do a floor show at 10:30 and midnight. Lots of people eating dinner. Lights were not “dim” yet, and I did not see anyone I thought might be “working”.

Hard Rock @ 10:30 – I just stuck my head in for a look. They still charge 150 RMB cover charge, but this gets you 1 drink. In the past the girls did not start to show up until after 11 pm, so it may not be a fair representation of their business. The band was not their normal Pilipino band, and were doing a bad rendition of “Another Brick in the Wall”.

Pig and Thistle @ 11 – counted 18 Chinese girls and 4 Mongolian girls. Was told by the bar tender that more Mongolian girls would be arriving soon – they always come in a little later. I left Chef at the Pig so perhaps he will have something exciting to report.

Café Del Mar @ 11:30 - slow, but back in business. They had their Pilipino trio playing music, and a few girls working the room.

BBS across from Café – these were shut down before the Olympics, but are now back open. It cost 200 rmb just to walk in the door of these places, and you then negotiate with the individual girl for extra services. These places are all owned by the owner of the Café, and you will often see the girls from the BBS walking around the Café on a slow night.

Schubba
09-27-08, 15:00
It has been a while since I have reported. I have moved to China just before the Olympic games. I have had big troubles with access to this websites, but I have now solved it with a vpn connected to a server abroad.

I go Beijing almost every weekend and I have felt the closing of BBS and lack of "good places". There have been some waterholes like Swing, Den and Chinadoll. These places are still good. Also some good massage places kept on during the games.

Now things seem to go back to normal. No visible security in the hotel, WGs in the lobby again and more of the BBS around my hotel have reopen.

Canada: I had my Mongolian almost in my hand but I lost her on the railway station. I found out her best friend also did the same. So just go ahead.

Mianbao
09-28-08, 12:15
Sammy,

Where is the Alien market?

Picked up a Mongolian in Bar Blu in Sanlitun just before the Olympics, there was some Chinese in there as well but quality looked poor. Freebie potential as well.

Read on a expat forum that Maggies is opening in the first few days of Oct. Let's hope so.

Schubba
09-28-08, 13:22
I was in P & W in Lido hotel yesterday Saturday at around 11 pm. The place was full of Chinese wgs and some regular Mongolians, who you also can meet in Sanlitun every week. I stayed an hour. The Chinese was very active and I got some phone numbers. Then I went to Sanlitun. The boys in the street offers again "beautiful girl, sexy girl". They even presented 5 girls (I think they came from some KTV) to me right on the street. I only saw a few Mongolians here. I ended up in Swing bar with some of them, but I went home alone, as I was not in the mode after my 10 hours flight from Europe.

Zamziv
09-28-08, 16:54
Before you plan to visit beijing put an ad at www.thebeijinger.com classified, personels telling that you are looking for a companion.

You will get handfull with replies, photos and telephone numbers.

I had 3 good oportunities, choosed one and it was great 2 days.

Just PM me for more details.

Wapec
09-28-08, 20:03
big up ye all. came to the big smoke from down south for some personal matters and a bit of slap and tickle on the side. on the plane was sitting beside a nice petite cutie who was on the inside by the window. bingo sometimes you are lucky. she was having trouble with her hand luggage and being all “i’m so helpless”. big strong laowai i helped her with the luggage and offered a smile. not a wink of recognition. anyway tried chatting with her in english and got the cold shoulder with chinese replies so i just switched language. yup the best battle is the one you don’t fight.

turns out she is an auditor at a chinese bank on a southern visit one week into a 3 month long engagement. doesn’t know anybody in town and can’t socialize with folks from work because of her role. read “i am all alone in a strange city with no friends and nobody to go out with” also read “come to papa”. i say nothing but sympathize saying it takes time to settle in and find your feet and there are lots of nice things to do on weekends, museums and a very cultural scene when you get to know it. i ask her what things she likes to do – watch theatre and movies – hey hey i am not too far wrong assessing this one as a little high brow wannabe. she is from hangzhou so i say a few nice words about ho beautiful the city is, expensive the real estate is, lovely the lake is, ho pleasant it is sit by the lake in the evening to watch the sunset and sip good green tea infusions, and how chinese poetry alludes to the deep beauty and sensitivity of hangzhou ladies. she is impressed this geezer knows a bit about her neck of the woods. she is getting warmed up now and starts asking about me. it goes on for the rest of the flight and is a pleasant way to pass the time. turns out she works in bjg at hq, is going back home for two days the golden week, and isn’t that fond of bjg even though she has lived there for five years.

plane lands. i help her again with her hand luggage. i ask her name. she asks me for a pen and paper. double bingo!! writes her name, email and asks me to chat online. i go on my merry way. nice low key start to my re-entry into the hidden kingdom. what would es do now in this situation ?

negotiate the public bus into chaoyangmen, switch to a taxi and head down chaoyang lu looking for a hotel that i’ve never been to and was booked by friends. i do so love doing things the chinese way. my friends and i go back a long way and have done our own long march in a slave driving company so i have complete faith in them. find my hotel, quickly get to my room which is a top floor suite of four rooms and a bathroom for rmb280 per night. special rate negotiated by my guanxi partners. unpack, tidy up, make a few calls, login, fire up tor and click isg. yes yes yes i can surf to the page and login and bypass the filter. don’t wanna waste the access so i switch off tor and go to my email account. send my travel companion an email saying how nice it was to meet her, chat and pass the time away on the plane. it made for a nice start to my holiday, i too was worried that i would feel alone in bjg (yeah right i’ve got two mongolian’s lined up, bbs directions from the thread and sms’ed half the senior isg bjg membership on the bus on the way into the city centre) and that i felt heartened by speaking to a nice, friendly & attractive bjg dweller. that is one less thing for me to do ;)

time to go out and look around the locality. my toothpaste, baby oil, massage oil and chocolate sauce (again, yes guys, i never learn) were confirep001ed at customs because they were all more than 100ml. damn the taleban have a jihad on my didi’s adventures. walking down a side street from my hotel i find a local convenience store and get some toothpaste, snacks and drinks. ask the cashier what’s good in the neighbourhood and get the low down on some restaurants and markets within walking distance. i leave and continue wandering down the street. cross onto a main road and keep going. on the other side pass by a barbershop with two gals inside and no sign of any hair cutting chairs. hmmn …… make a mental note to check back later at night. next a jaozi shop that’s breakfast covered. hou gou tavern which was mentioned as good just a few minutes ago when buying toothpaste. and directly opposite a sex shop. ahhhh this is the bjg that i remember from my working days here and how i so missed you. bjg you’re a lady and lovely waters can lisp up to my shore.

on my way back get a call from the esteemed seaj down south. the man bagged 5 pops from 4 gals and he isn’t even fulltime mongering. damn, he has a head start and game on for the pussy. i’ll have my balls busy catching up or i am sure gonna have fun catching up. seaj its not the size of the ocean but how good you are when the waves are in motion that matters.

back to the hotel. quickly login for a quick surf and to check my notes for that evening’s activities. saw i had an email and the travel companion had answered my email asking if i’d like to meet up for dinner and to call her. well i figure if i go from being a stranger to getting an email to getting her phone number then i’d be a fool to leave it pass by. arrangements on where and how to meet are agreed. i freshen up, hop in a cab, give directions and send sms’s to my mongolian horde to see if they are in town and alert. shasam they both reply back in a jiffy. town must be quiet and they are eager with beaver to please. i pass on my regards, let them know i am about and we should meet up. check out availability and say i’ll get back with firmer arrangements. nice polite ladies, not pushy or cheeky and they both leave a good impression. the isg member concerned please take note that i respect your trust and set out to treat them well. ping a message to sammy t, andreas wang and chef type. sammy & andreas offer advice but are on a curfew but chef type may be up later for a chat and tour of duty. mental note to check back later as he has two mongolians lined up and i may take one of them off his hands onto my dick.

meet with travel gal at the restaurant and have a nice civilised evening. house specialty is hangzhou food so she orders. not bad ! but then again so long as its cooked i’ll eat almost (that the qualification is important in china) anything so long as its cooked. finished about 10pm and went to a coffee shop near where she lives to talk some more. nice touch in the shop is they had snug corner seats which encourage couples to be closer together. it was pleasant and a nice way to spend more time. i had to keep reminding myself this was a potential freebie. when i was talking to her, looking occasionally into her eyes but thinking about her pair of pearl mounds under her blouse. anyway, i gave her my home phone number and we agreed to meet up when is back at work in my home town. i walked her home, compliment her on being an interesting and charming companion over dinner and looked forward to seeing her again as i kissed her gently on the cheek. she didn’t flinch j well what the hell ! i won’t be able to monger until the end of the year so if i get the chance of some regular freebie pussy on tap for a couple of months until then why not pursue ? could i have gone for an overnight opportunity ? maybe but high risk and if successful no guarantee it would be repeatable. odds favour that i wait until she is more vulnerable, isolated and lonely on my patch of turf.

walking away i text chef type. i text again….. no reply. such is life & hope is doing it well with a broad grinning smile ! turns out the man ended up doing a double. instead of keeping one warm for me he decides to warm them both up for himself. i admire his priorities & have to admit i’d probably do the same. i’ll let chef type share his one man two gal vodka induced rodeo. good on ya dude ……


get my taxi to drop me back near my hotel and i go check out the barbershop i saw earlier. now there are six gals, all nubile with some quite good lookers. go figure what gives ? only way to figure is go in & check it out first hand. enter and sitting down i ask how is going ? what are they up to ? why open so late ? anyway, as expected there are opportunities although they’re a bit ambiguous explaining. i go in slow to suss things out and ask a tall one if “xiao bei” is one the menu. she shyly nods yes so i ask how much ? she looks like a startled deer in the headlamps and her friends jump in with rmb 200. unfazed i inform them i’m a “yadse” quality catch and should be charging them. we quickly step back assessing the landscape and i volunteer rmb100 saying “wo bu shi xin shou”. deal is closed and off we go into the back. she switches on a dim light, warms her hands after i ask her to wash them, i feel her breasts through her top and unhook her bra in back, i take out a wet wipe to clean myself, lay back as my fly is opened and away we go. she is gentle to start but strokes up a storm. she tries to rush it but i manage the rhythm and she realizes this will go at my speed or take her forever. she complies. hands all over her and cusping her right nipple in my mouth i release a long stream jizz. it just keeps on coming as its been 3 weeks since my last wank so the bilges were bunged up waiting to be cleared. she was a trooper though and deflected the jizz stream with her hand. otherwise, it probably would have gone everywhere ! i hand her a wet wipe and i get one for myself. she comments on how much there is and i compliment her on making me so excited with a good rhythm and attitude. she smiles and is happy with herself. how youth has so little worries and i think how sometimes youth is wasted on the young. but i am happy bunny, pay up and go my merry way. checked if “da bei” was on the menu and if i am about late again know where to go.

dog tired i go to sleep immediately waking up after midday on the 28th. more news soon on the adventures of the 28th september.

\wapec

Bad Boy Billy
09-29-08, 06:24
Made the rounds with Chef Type last night (Friday). I also had the pleasure of finally meeting Andreas Wang. Fantastic guy who has this town pat. He was able to get from shop to shop on bike much faster and easier than the Chef and I could on foot and by taxi.You guys are fucking kidding me aren't you?

You hook up with Andreas to venture into HIS WORLD and yet you do not join him on his BICYCLE TOUR - you guys are a disgrace.

Andreas - please accept my apology on behalf of ALL OTHER senior members for these actions.

Andreas I will be arriving Beijing on afternoon Oct 17 for 3 nights - if you were so courteous to display the same hospitality again and invite ME on one of your Saterday afternoon 'w.h.o.r.e hunting' expeditions - I guarantee I will bring Sammy along again - Chef Type as well hopefully - but this time we will join you on bicycles - Sammy - when in Beijing do as Andreas does.

Bad Boy Billy
09-29-08, 06:31
Rumors continue to circulate about when they will open, but nothing has been confirmed. My guess is sometime around Oct 15 – otherwise they are going to miss Billy’s deep pockets when he is in town!
Yes Billy will be in town on 17th - with a 'pocket full of money' and a 'sack full of..................good spirits'.

All senior members - and newbies - get ready - Sammy and Billy will have at leaast one BIG night somewhere in Beijing over that weekend when we will involve as many ISG members as possible - who knows we might even try to rustle up a lady or two.

There will obviously be no formal announcements on board - it will be via pm or sms. But get ready - been a long time between drinks.

Sammy - email me - we need to talk.

Zhuren, Intransit, Chef Type, Andreas - oh yes Andreas - you join our world this night - all others - keep the dates free.

Zhuren
09-29-08, 13:42
Zhuren, Intransit, Chef Type, Andreas - oh yes Andreas - you join our world this night - all others - keep the dates free.

I shall be there

Zhuren
09-29-08, 13:44
Andreas I will be arriving Beijing on afternoon Oct 17 for 3 nights - if you were so courteous to display the same hospitality again and invite ME on one of your Saterday afternoon 'w.h.o.r.e hunting' expeditions - I guarantee I will bring Sammy along again - Chef Type as well hopefully - but this time we will join you on bicycles - Sammy - when in Beijing do as Andreas does.

Sammy on a BYCYCLE ??? Oh, no.

FernandoAlonso
09-29-08, 20:37
Sammy on a BYCYCLE ??? Oh, no.A BICYCLE MONGERING PARTY! We could make a corso through the city center, each with a Mongolian on the back seat!

Count me in on the party if someone who has my number sms me the location/time. I can get PM but not access this wonderful site while in China, which will be from next week!

FA

Bad Boy Billy
09-29-08, 23:36
Sammy on a BYCYCLE ??? Yes Zhuren - I guarantee Sammy will be on a bike.

I cannot believe that PUSSY wimped it last time - not the next time though.

Sammy_T
09-30-08, 06:24
Sammy,

Where is the Alien market?

Picked up a Mongolian in Bar Blu in Sanlitun just before the Olympics, there was some Chinese in there as well but quality looked poor. Freebie potential as well.

Read on a expat forum that Maggies is opening in the first few days of Oct. Let's hope so.

Alien Market is just north of the Russian district. If you are on YaBaLu heading north you will pass hollywood and neptune on your left hand side. After one more block north you will pass the Alien Market on your right had side. If you are looking for Ms Jin's BBS it is best for you to follow Andreas Wang's directions.

Next time I hook up with Andreas Wang I will certainly bring my bike!

Sammy

Zhuren
09-30-08, 11:03
The Northern Sisters are infiltrating back into BJ, and rumors are making the rounds of an impending opening of M's. There even is a rumor going around talking of a big opening party on Wednesday, Oct. 1. Howver, after fact checking with the usually well informed sources, the rumors remain rumors. Just goes to show how desperate everybody is.

Zhuren
09-30-08, 11:05
Yes Zhuren - I guarantee Sammy will be on a bike.

I cannot believe that PUSSY wimped it last time - not the next time though.


I need an electric bike ....

T Riky
09-30-08, 16:31
Just wondering whether anyone try those ads on the Beijing craigslist (erotic service).

There are plenty of posts each day. Most with pictures. Don't really expect those picture to be genuine. But at least they provide reasonable service.

Anyone to share their experience.I tried once. I found 3 websites: different url, different phone number to call, different pictures, but same girl answering the phone.

You have to choose a girl saying the number of the girl you want. But both the pictures and the descriptions corresponding to the number were not true.
Also the price written on the websites, confirmed by phone, I eventually realized that was different from the real one.

From my experience the service wasn't good. So if you try it, keep in mind that you won't know who will be your girl until you see her in your room and that you won't know if she's good until you have sex with her. Obviously, bargain for the price of the service.

Ricky

Bad Boy Billy
10-01-08, 02:00
I need an electric bike ....Very droll Zhuren....................very droll.

For a SAD SAD man - you have a great sense of humour.

So you going to 'join' Sammy and I on our 'treadly run'?

Zhuren
10-01-08, 12:17
Very droll Zhuren....................very droll.

For a SAD SAD man - you have a great sense of humour.

So you going to 'join' Sammy and I on our 'treadly run'?


Of course! I mentioned the outing to Amara & Erka (just returned from HK ...)
They liked the idea of many guys getting together, but wrinkled their pretty noses when I mentioned bicycles.

Taire Beijing
10-01-08, 12:18
The Northern Sisters are infiltrating back into BJ, and rumors are making the rounds of an impending opening of M's. There even is a rumor going around talking of a big opening party on Wednesday, Oct. 1. Howver, after fact checking with the usually well informed sources, the rumors remain rumors. Just goes to show how desperate everybody is.Being as how I live only a 10 minute stroll from the place I will take a look around 10 pm and report back. I was going to head to Shanghai for a few days of fun, but may put that on hold just in case :)

Mianbao
10-01-08, 14:48
Alien Market is just north of the Russian district. If you are on YaBaLu heading north you will pass hollywood and neptune on your left hand side. After one more block north you will pass the Alien Market on your right had side. If you are looking for Ms Jin's BBS it is best for you to follow Andreas Wang's directions.

Sammy

OK, thanks.

JohnThomas0519
10-01-08, 17:35
Hey bros,

Plan to be in BJ for 4 days from 10/16. Anyone up for sightseeing please PM me with you phone number. Also let me know if you want me to bring some C's or L's as I am not familiar with pricing in BJ. These are not cut with milk powder.

Cheers,

JT

Bad Boy Billy
10-01-08, 23:02
Of course! I mentioned the outing to Amara & Erka (just returned from HK ...)

They liked the idea of many guys getting together, but wrinkled their pretty noses when I mentioned bicycles.Would they prefer if we just 'rode' them?

Of course they will be invited - I will PM you soon and we can start putting the details together.

I think Sammy is off 'w.h.o.r.i.n.g' in some far off land with one of his floozies - so arrangements to this point in time sketchy to say least.

Bad Boy Billy
10-01-08, 23:06
I sent you a PM asking for you to delete the photo of Dan DanI never received any PM from you mate.

I made the mistake of doing that a year or so ago and learned my lesson.Guybert56So was it you who showed her her pic?.................Or did you just tell her it was up here?.............Or she just hapened to mention it to you and asked you to ask me to remove it?

Whatever..............no big deal...............1 ordinary w.h.o.r.e out of 20,000,000 aint gonna make no difference.

If you want to give me the post # I will PM admin and ask them to remove.

Rgds

Billy

Bad Boy Billy
10-01-08, 23:12
The crew for a night of fun and revelry on 18th is building.

So far we have Sammy, Billy, Zhuren, Intransit (I hope), Beijing Xiber (I hope), Horneblower (if he passes test night before), Tankuki..............come on guys................if you interested PM me.

It will be a grown ups party with a touch of class................well if that is possible with Sammy and Zhuren included..................but we will try.

Bad Boy Billy
10-02-08, 06:55
Evidently, another monger told her so she asked me to show her when she spent the day with me. She was shocked! And frightened! I typed up a PM to you but evidently the proxy ate it. I checked my sent file and there was no record of it so I apologize for making that claim on the open forum! Shame on ME!

Your post number was #3441 on Beiing thread. THANKS in advance! Your are a gentleman and a scholar! I appreciate all your inputs on the forum!

Guybert56

Done mate - see content of message I have sent to Administrator

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Dear Administrator

Can you please delete Post #3441 on Beijing, China thread

Some guy has shown the girl her picture - she is very distressed

Thanks in advance

BadBoyBilly

Wapec
10-02-08, 10:02
Woke up after mid-day as I am want to with a hunger and a woodie as I too am want to. Lucky me I came prepared with references for just such an emergency. Quick scan through my notebook find the number of a well respected Mongolian provider. For the purposes of the rest of this post I shall protect the guilty to shield the innocent as discretion was requested by a protective Senior Member who shared the details.

For those that just want the summary version of what follows, I’ll describe it succinctly for you: RAMPANT PROFESSIONAL DEVASTED UNSUSPECTING MALE COCK IN EVERY ORIFICE and I WAS MADE TO FEEL LIKE A TOTAL “PETER NORTH” PORN STAR. It was truly outstanding and I have been around.

I rang Lady Madonna (LM), who later described herself a lady by day and a naughty girl by night – wet dream time even if was an act I was a captive audience, to around 1pm for a chat and to make arrangements to meet up. She asked when and I asked did I sound like somebody wanting to waste time. “Really now so early !”. We meet at Jia Li Zhong Xin (Kerry Centre) for a coffee and a 30 minute ride took her almost 1 hour. Did I have my doubts ? Yes, but the meet was also to check out the merchandise : balls for fucking and brains for thinking.

Imagine if you will a 5 foot 8 or 9 inch Mongolian in a one piece grey body hugging suit, curves everywhere a woman should have them and a shaven raven (obviously I found this out later). A little made up, north of twenty five but south of the thirty year border, dyed auburn hair done up in a bun, but confident as hell straight off the bat. I knew this was going to be an interesting encounter of the extra-teresterial kind :) I offered to buy a coffee and as I went to get it popped a Vitamin C as the decision she was a keeper was made. Anyway……off we went to my hotel for what the French delightfully describe as some afternoon delight or is it love in the afternoon ? Who cares so long as it involves a pussy, a cock and at least one hole. Rmb 700 for 3 hours as I had a 6pm appointment for dinner.

Once in the room as I close the door she pins me to the door (big gal at 5’ 8” and only a fool would wrestle with a Mongolian) and starts kissing me. A tongue tonsil lashing and a half later with my trousers down around my ankles we move to the bedroom where she strips not standing on the bed but bouncing on it like a trampoline artist. I am defenseless and in a place that I wasn’t expecting to be but have been before a long while ago when a younger less defenseless man. Its mind boggling having an Asian or Central Asian doing this in bloody good English ; I am used to speaking Chinese while I screw in Asia and the feeling is surreal. I like it, do it some more ;)

We head to the shower. Wash together where she pays special attention to didi or should I say she hoisted the Jolly Roger! And at attention he did stay. Oh how I love it when a plan comes together :eek: A Team. Back to the French sayings …….. and so to bed.

French kissing, cock swallowing (I mean the whole god damn shaft & sack, deep throated down beyond my nut bag not any of this prissy licking the tip shit; question: is there anything like the feeling of a wanton woman’s mouth on a freshly shaven dick and pouch? ), ball bag milking and milking is the word I intend to use, respect it because it was chosen purposely (this must be how cows feel when their udders are hand squeezed to release and like the Lord said as he sat back on the seventh day “it was good”; sorry but the heavenly reference was most certainly justified), nipple twinging and so to the main event. Popped on the chapeau, she jumped on top, and rode me side saddle, full saddle, half saddle, reverse saddle both with and without stirrups for about twenty minutes (well it was five songs on my mp3 player who makes love without music ?), before dismounting and removing Fenchie and attaching herself like a limpet to my throbbing Robin again for a full 45 minutes for uninterrupted oral fixation. Shakira I’ll eat your pussy out babe. What blew my mind even more than the action itself was that each step of the way she was asking questions, guiding and adjusting her technique based on my input – she was dedicated to my pleasure, my needs, my erection ermmmn I meant direction. A total consummate professional ! Previously, I’ve only ever had this level of attention and service in Germany and Switzerland. What a find !!!

Suck the shaft hard, play softly with the tip and milk my ball sack like you did before only more, more, more, more yeah baby yeah. I’m a sexy fat bastard ugly old fart. LM you ring my bell. A full 45 minutes of limpet cock attachment uninterrupted attention, standing, lying down, on top, kneeling over her head, 69 fingering her snatch, squeezing my tip trying to insert her nipples into the penis hole …… Wowser wowser! As I was holding onto the headboard thrusting into her mouth I started cumming, she took it in her mouth and withdrew as was still squirting and guided the jizz over her face, down to her navel while wanking me dry bone dry, dry, dry, dry, dry.

Wait for it its not over yet! AND THEN SHE STARTED MASSAGING MY SPUNK INTO HER SKIN, LICKING IT OFF HER FACE, WIPING HER CHEST, MASSAGING HER BREASTS AND WHIPPING IT UP INTO A CREAM ON HER FLAT TIGHT STOMACH SAYING “ITS WHITE AND CREAMY VERY HEALTHY”.

LM baby you’ve just wrapped me up in health, wealth and happiness. I felt like a total porn star watching her rub it in, massage my nut bag with my own spunk and lick it clean. Oh LM you are indeed a very naughty sexy girl and you even ask me how to make it better. Never before in Asia …… BBBJ in BJG ….. HEAVEN !!! Spank me and yes she did even though it was only a joke – what the hell go with it, my fantasy & if you’re reading this far you really wish it was you. Next “When can you go again ?”. Oh shit there is more almost 2 hours more.

Quick clean up and back to bed for the marathon. Need to refill so I take out the baby oil and start massaging her front and back, head to toe and in between the toes. Jolly Roger awakes and joins in with the massaging. In particular, between her perky mounds with their pea sized pinnacles. No rush this was to give me a rest and keep her from losing interest. Great thing about oiling a “bai hu” gal is that its silky smooth. Keeping to the area I started paying special attention to her lips, labia and slit but gently and unhurriedly as there was plenty of time. Jez, she spread out into a glorious butterfly and had no problem with me inspecting up close and personal. I broke one of my cardinal rules and starting eating her out. I just couldn’t help myself I am a PORN STAR no longer a mere mortal. Munching, brunching while fingering both her holes and then two, then three, then four into her pussy. Squelching sounds of oil and LM naughty sexy girl juices mingling freely together ……. Slurpies there too. Out of this world !

She squirms giving directions, what to do, where to go, how much pressure to apply, when to be soft and gentle. She knows what she wants and I want her to want it. She shudders she shakes she quakes the earth moves. My hands are tired but do I care NOT ONE GOD DAMN BIT.

Around she swings and starts licking my cock again. Nothing like the feeling of a woman’s tongue and mouth on a newly shaven ball sack. Did I say that ? Well its worth saying again. Ho ho ho Santa is coming to town ! I get hard slowly but surely but confidently and she states matter of factly time for a new position – HER ASS. Well I stiffened with pride. Lucky with all the oil around I had brought some poly rubbers and its for situations like this that they come in handy. Her hole was softened up by the fingering but I decided to put my thumb into it just to be sure. She groaned and she relaxed her muscles enough to try an entry. Sur le chapeau et sous la cul de sac. I positioned myself a little hesitatingly tip to hole and she moved back and up. Slowly but firmly! Slowly caressing the dome, working her muscles until she was ready to push in my hat. Holding my shaft she jerked (yes she did she devastated me in every way) my dick in and out as she tensed up and those muscles gripping my cock, squeezing, contracting and relaxing. Priceless. Then suddenly she relaxed and gaped wide. The feeling of standing over her shafting into the deep abyss and coming back was splendid. Not my first time. Still nevertheless just as enjoyable as the first time. Personally, I don’t see much use in thrusting into an ass once the muscles have relaxed except for the visual stimulation. It’s the feeling of relaxing the muscles that makes anal feel different and so rewarding to me. So not to waste all that tension as I was building up to explode I withdrew switched cover and went into the pussy doggy style as she pushed her lips close around my cock with her fingers and her other hand scratch behind my nuts to my hole. I came again in wave of energy that engulfed my dick, hips, buttocks, arms, legs, knees, toes and the hairs on the back of my neck. It may have been 16 degrees outside but it was an inferno inside. LM was and is one of the hottest women I have ever had the pleasure and honour to be done by. In all humility, I cannot justly say I did her she did me & Could have wrapped me around her little finger. We lay on the bed catching our breath and she still was playing with me limp as I was.

Sometimes its not the quantity its the quality. This was one of those times :) I was violated by a Mongolian warrior and it was sublime to submit to her rule. My Queen, my Princess, my Ruler !!!

Washed up we dashed for taxi’s and went our separate ways. I met a friend for dinner and caught up on old times. Wandered back to the hotel around eleven. Tried to wind down but events of the afternoon filled my mind. Thought I’d whack off to relieve the monotony. I thought to myself what the fuck that is not what I am in China to do in my spare time. Shucks I can do that at home anytime. Got dressed, pulled on my shoes and went down the street to the barbershop of the night before. Pretty full house and word had got around about me from the night before ie: wasn’t off his rocker and didn’t have an 18 inch stumpie (5’ 7” and 8 inches lol). There was more interest and less trepidation than previously. I announced that I wanted to do a couple short time short shift RmB 200 per pop and whoever was interested should step forward for potential selection. Had four candidates and asked the first one to lead the way. Did the first tall lanky gal from Shenyang missionary style afterwards went next door (to a restraint China is one of the World’s great civilizations for a reason) for a rest and some soup saying that I’d be back and was there anything they wanted me to bring back ; chilled out with a warm soup and put in the gals order when ready I went back next door and did a feisty second from Tianjin on top, on her side, some hand to mouth which she was clearly unused to I bobbed her head and hair back and forth in a tempoed rhythm before a doggy to finish off. Felt sorry for the second one as I was tired and it took an extra pounding for me to relieve myself. Eeked out a semi-pea sized droplet that counts as half a pop with twice the effort. But damn it it was on my nickel and she consented. I had to disappoint the rest and tell them that I hadn’t anything left after two and half hours with breaks, soup, tea and chatting. Then I hung out a bit with these tough, brawny, gutsy gals that make up the backbone of China but simple folk with simple ways and lives. Nice to spend time with them and nice for them to share themselves with me with enthusiasm and gusto. They were glad the Olympics were over so they could get back to business and prepare for the coming winter.

Off to bed at 3am and 29th September, my last day in BJG.

Wapec
10-02-08, 10:04
Woke up at twelve spent the day with non-monger friends and their family. Was texted at 3 pm by another recommended Mongolian. After the last experience I was hungry for more. Again for the purposes of the rest of this post I shall protect the guilty to shield the innocent as discretion was requested by a Senior Member who shared the provider’s details.

I will call her Russian Rabbit (RR) and she was coming back from a visit to the countryside arriving in BJG at 10pm. I knew my day was going to be hanging out with friends and wouldn’t be available until later anyway and asked RR to keep in touch when I really knew I wanted to meet up. 7pm I sent a proposal for the evening with pricing & timing details. RmB 900 for 4 hours at night with the option of staying at her choice but that I had to leave for the airport at 8am the next day. “OK” was the reply. Man she stayed the whole night !!!

Did another at the bbs around 8pm just to limber up before heading out into the night. Gal from the suburbs of BJG who moonlighted at the bbs for some extra cash, spending money for those finer things in life a young woman yearns for. Well why not ? I know gals in Germany who game to support a Gucci lifestyle why not BJG too. Strainght forward rental agreement with service delivered matter of factly to specification. Job done, time to mosey on, thank her, clean up, and onto the next for the night.

Rang Chef Type around 9pm and decided to hook up at the Lido. Guess where ? Duh, you got it and if you don’t know then you’re reading the wrong thread ! Walked in and the memories came flooding back of times long since gone by when I used to live in BJG. Anyway, identified Chef Type immediately, kept a respectful distance as he was molesting a cute Shanghai h.o.o.k.e.r (meant l.o.o.k.e.r)and eventually we had a drink and catch up. Good guy and had a great time on the Olympics. An experience for life ! Was kindly introduced to his rodeo partner of the night before. A multi orgasmic Mongolian and a super hot looker with a rock solid bod. Chef Type’s comment sums it up “I would sell everything, move to Ulan Batur, shovel shit for the rest of my life if I came home every night to be fucked senseless by her”. I certainly can see where the sentiment comes from except maybe I’d prefer to be fucked by a different more erogenous woman each night. Chef Type’s experience runs the gamut and he has certainly got around in less than a year. Hats off to you dude and long may it continue. Heed my words and come down South for the 600-700 gal KTV setup in CP, or the Sauna scene in Zhu Hai, or the BBS square in SZ where I am writing this in between scores. Man all I have to do is walk around the corner and choose from multiple line ups. Its like shooting fish in a barrel and if a butt ugly old wanker (I have it from multiple good sources that is a fair description of me – SEAJ can you please stop calling me Super Wanker in public it doesn’t help my self esteem) like me can do it then the world is your oyster.

Chef Type wandered off around 11pm and I chased my gal up who arrived about 11:30pm. Pleasantly surprised we wandered to my hotel pretty sprightly as I have my needs. It was immediately obvious this was a different kettle of fish. Younger at 22 years, sweeter in disposition, softer, gorgeous long hair down to her ass (my weakness in women is round faces and long hair) and able to immediately put one at ease.

Arrived at mid-night and we spent five glorious hours making love. Yes it was love. Popped only once but had no problem keeping it up all five hours. Only difference between this bundle of sweetness and a girlfriend or wife was the 0.03 condom I wore. She got wet naturally, stayed wet naturally, we talked, we fucked, we sat there with me inside her joking and laughing, I held her ample breasts (it must be Mongolian yak milk but they all seem to have large natural soft boobs), sucked her nipples, played with my balls, sucked my nipples, swapped stories, I massaged her, and she massaged me. In short, I was in love with her, she was in love with me, we made love together under the stars in the Temple of Heaven. Tantric tingles of sheer bliss. Completely, different experience to Lady Madonna but no less magical. We couldn’t believe we spent five hours getting so into each other – RR & I – that we only had two hours sleep. All this gfe from a lady that had just come back from the countryside.

As I went to the airport received a text from her “Thank you!”. How many times does one get a text from a gal saying “thank you” ? I am no tycoon but I felt like a million bucks of raw studness after BJG and LM & RR.

Wapec
10-02-08, 10:10
So I ended my BJG short 3 night adventure with substantially more than I expected given that I was only part time mongering. But with that time I mongered better and more than I’ve done before fulltime in a week. Definitely a case of quality over quantity. Although, the BBS did offer quantity if I wanted it but I just wasn’t that into it. Why eat scraps when you have a place at the banquet table?

In helping the trip become such a welcome surprise and joy I wish to graciously acknowledge the following:-
1) Bad Boy Billy (an expert and connoisseur of fine women – they all love you deeply)
2) Chef Type (cool to meet, share a drink – keep up the good work, gal variety & come down South before going to meet your maker)
3) Sammy T (for the advice, confirmation & goodwill – hope to meet up next time)
4) Andreas Wang (for the welcome & goodwill – hope the house move went well & hope to meet up next time)
5) I can ride bicycles too - electric or push peddal but next time.

SEAJ, Wadman, Mongergoose, Santa, OAH & IS350 the final score for BJG was:-

Mongolia 4 & China 4 v’s HKG Gweilo 6.5

But in summary, I was ultra violated, invaded and overrun by Mongolia. It is that simple.

BBS was located at #2, Yanjing Dong Li off Chao Yang Lu. Just tell them Xiao Xiong sent you.

Switch to the South China threads to catch up on my exploits around the bbs h.o.o.k.e.r square where the score so far on 1st October is 4 all China & HKG Gweilo. SEAJ giving me a grand total of 10.5 before the week is out and with CP and a naked KTV to go !!!

HOT DOGGIE GO …… Until Xmas & the New Year when Wapec rides again.

Schubba
10-02-08, 12:01
Hi Bad Boy Billy, I would really enjoy to attend this fantastic party. I am still a prospect here, but I have been to the naked KTV. I owe many thanks to Sammy for this. Unfortunately I have planned a trip to the "triangle", Shenzhen, Hongkong and Macau at that time. I want to look at some BBS-, Phillipine-, and Viet Sauna girls. I like Mongolian most but want to "fresh air".


The crew for a night of fun and revelry on 18th is building.

So far we have Sammy, Billy, Zhuren, Intransit (I hope), Beijing Xiber (I hope), Horneblower (if he passes test night before), Tankuki..............come on guys................if you interested PM me.

It will be a grown ups party with a touch of class................well if that is possible with Sammy and Zhuren included..................but we will try.

The Tanuki
10-02-08, 12:38
The crew for a night of fun and revelry on 18th is building.

So far we have Sammy, Billy, Zhuren, Intransit (I hope), Beijing Xiber (I hope), Horneblower (if he passes test night before), Tankuki..............come on guys................if you interested PM me.

It will be a grown ups party with a touch of class................well if that is possible with Sammy and Zhuren included..................but we will try.

Well, I certainly hope it's low class. To quote The Wolf (Pulp Fiction): Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have character.... :eek:

I have to work for awhile on the 18th, but will be ready to consume mass quantities that evening. Woo Hoo!

Tankuki

Zamziv
10-02-08, 13:34
I visited beijing many times ( more then 100 times during last 10 years ) but it was my first time to meet that woman, young tall and beautifull.

She came to my hotel for short time and gave me more then great service
I asked her to stay over night and in the next morining i asked her to stay for all 3 days of my beijing visit.

If you are looking for top service at top cost PM me.

Visitor To China
10-03-08, 01:52
Gus hello,

Its my first time to beijing, i am glad to see this awsome forum.

Sorry cause i am newbe, but can you provide me with the direction to Miss Jin?

Regards


I had a very good FS session at a BBS in Beijing recently. 200 RMB for CBJ and FS with a very nice lady. Her age is early 20s and she is very pleasant.

The BBS is detailed by Andreas Wang in his report (#3148) on 9 June 2008.

The BBS is about 10 minutes walk from Chaoyangmen subway station.

Thank you to Andreas Wang. As he says in his 9 June report, he is happy to be contacted by senior members for help with directions, translations etc.

Andreas very kindly met me at Chaoyangmen subway station and we walked from the station to the BBS.

The BBS is comfortable and clean. Negotiations in Chinese were easy with Andreas' help. Note, no English spoken here.

The young lady (Miss Jin) is attractive and I was very happy with the service I received. Miss Jin gave a very good, unrushed service. After great CBJ, we had sex doggy style and then missionary position. Ms Jin was happy to give BJ and FS in the positions I wanted. 200 RMB.

This BBS is not easy to find so I won't post detailed directions here. But feel free to PM Andreas Wang or me. We are both happy to help but as I don't speak Chinese Andreas is likely to be of more help! (Chinese language skills highly recommended for anyone wanting to go to this BBS).

By the way, this BBS has 2 ladies. The other lady looks very nice also but I haven't tried her service .... maybe next time .... :)

Irving

Wapec
10-03-08, 05:25
VTC

Its not as difficult as you think. The directions posted by Andreas & Chef Type are pretty good and you can't go that far wrong by yourself.

One thing though. Pls remember to go after 11pm as pointed out Ms. Jin is nervous about her neighbours interest if they think there are too many foreigners (ie: non locals) visiting her establishment.

Also, behave and be respectful and it will come back in spades to your favour.

\Wapec


Gus hello,

Its my first time to beijing, i am glad to see this awsome forum.

Sorry cause i am newbe, but can you provide me with the direction to Miss Jin?

Regards

Wapec
10-03-08, 05:49
I have received a few PM's about my posts and requests for contact numbers for the Mongolian ladies :eek:

I can understand why they would be in demand. However, one of the reasons why I disguised the names was because I was specifically asked to hide their identities and not share contact details. Its a request that I will honour as a mark of respect and also the trust shown by the BJG crew. Their words "these ladies are special treat them well".

What I would like all those interested in knowing more to consider contacting the usual suspects in BJG ; they are a decent bunch of fun loving down to earth guys. Not to pawn contacts or numbers because you're wasting your time ;) Meet up for a drink or a meal and let them get to know you. If you're a decent enough guy with nothing gone too far astray in the head then worst you'll get is some valuable welcoming advice and the best is down to how trustworthy you are :D

I didn't know anybody on the ISG BJG thread before I visited. I did do a little leg work and know people down South who know people up North so if folks were interested in checking me out it was possible to vet me and validate that I am basically OK. If I was a nut case or misbehaved I'd be castrated on sight on the Southern circut. Also, the main purpose of my visit wasn't to monger and my encounters were really side lines to why I was really in BJG. I think this helped put the ladies at ease and also the introductions from the BJG crew. Think of it as a kind of self governing check or quality assurance ;)

Enjoy all and have fun! Its certainly not a desert out there. Don't be afraid to negotiate up front for what you're interested. I did but not so much or so hard as to take the fun out of the encounter or to come across as less than respectful or rude. These gals are ladies and deserve to be treated as such. As the ladies said in the end "let's have some fun" and FUN is the emphasis not banging your nuts senselessly off.

I am not suggesting anybody that contacted me is anything less than a gentleman. I am just saying that I don't know and have no way of finding out. I would not want to have an error of conscience on my soul. had that experience once before and its horrible to be even innocently connected to that. Never again! Mistakes of ones youth are not to be repeated and trust is to be earned.

Finally, I was, of course, also lucky. At least, I think I was because I could in no way have planned how my visit turned out. Whether that was with the BJG crew, the ladies or just the celestical turn of events no matter I was lucky. Fortune smiles on the brave and the few (sometimes).

Wish you all well and good clean FUN times :)
\Wapec

Schubba
10-03-08, 09:10
Hi Wapec

I have had the same experience with my Mongolian. She could sit on top of me with me inside for long time talking with her friends in her mobile. I even once banged her from behind, while she was talking to her mother in Mongolia. We both laughed after. Very funny.

Schubba


She got wet naturally, stayed wet naturally, we talked, we fucked, we sat there with me inside her joking and laughing, I held her ample breasts (it must be Mongolian yak milk but they all seem to have large natural soft boobs), sucked her nipples, played with my balls, sucked my nipples, swapped stories,

Andreas Wang
10-03-08, 09:39
Hope the house move went well & hope to meet up next time)
Thanks for asking - it goes 'terrible'.

I moved my belongings on the day I messaged you, but myself I still need to wait about a week till I can move in. Means I am stranded now without a flat ...

Gaoshou
10-03-08, 13:55
I decided to take Andreas Wang's advice and check out the Hujialou shops. My Chinese GF recently left me to go to grad school, and now all I get from her is urgent requests to help with her homework.

I was extremely pleased with the breast massage I received from one Ling Zhenzhen, whose BBS is located about 500km west of the Hujialou subway station on the south side of Chaoyangmenwai Dajie. It's the last shop I saw on that road, after I had passed 3 or 4 other BBS' along the same strip, all of which looked promising. This shop is another 150 m or so past the previous shop on that street, so keep going for a while if it seems like you've passed them all. It has one of those twirly barber polls, and you have to walk down some stairs to reach it. Unlike some of the other BBSes on that street, it's below ground, so you can't really see inside from street level. But I had a good feeling about the place.

Zhenzhen says she's 19, and I believe her. There's another girl in the shop who I didn't try who is tall and thin and looks even younger, though Zhenzhen said she is also 19. Looks like a child, except for the way she's dressed. I'm not sure I could bring myself to do it.

Zhen Zhen is ever so slightly on the chubby side, but with a pretty face and truly marvelous breasts. Obviously most Asian women's breasts aren't large enough to do a legit titty-f*ck, but that is not an issue here. These are extremely full by any standard and once she got be wrapped up in her I couldn't hold off for long. She uses just enough oil so that everything is slick and frictionless, but not so much that we get greasy and slimy. Lovely soft skin, and she breathes into your ear as she's massaging your whole backside with her breasts. She was very tender and took her time. And then when it's time to flip over ... well, it was fantastic. Her service is very professional. If she's really 19, then I'm afraid to ask when she started working in the industry.

Zhen Zhen and I really hit it off. I came back four days later, and she got excited when on my second visit I said would take her out sometime soon to eat roast duck. She has only arrived in Beijing a few weeks ago, but did similar work in Jiangsu before moving here. We exchanged numbers and have sent some SMS back and forth. The possibility of freebies loomed large in my mind. But now I'm having second thoughts. Nothing as free, as has been said many times on this bored. This girl could easily become attached, while my GF will soon come back for winter break. Still, if someone IS looking for a young mistress, one could do a lot worse.

Either 100 or 150 for regular HJ (tui1 you2 推油)
Rmb200 if you get the breast massage (xiong1 tui1 胸推) - it was well worth it. I was more turned on than many FS experiences.

And to correct Andreas Wang's correction, the "parallel street" running parallel to Chaoyangmenwai Dajie, which he refers to in his earlier post, 关东店街. But thanks for the rec.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bad Boy Billy
10-04-08, 04:54
Guys I think we have the following DEGENERATES ready for a drink or three on Oct 18 - Tenth Floor, Andreas Wang, Fernando Alonso, JohnThomas0519, Horneblower, Sammy, Zhuren, Intransit and Billy.

Any body else interested PM me.

Tiger 888
10-04-08, 06:21
IEither 100 or 150 for regular HJ (tui1 you2 推油)
Rmb200 if you get the breast massage (xiong1 tui1 胸推) - it was well worth it. I was more turned on than many FS experiences.

Since you are a regular member and can't edit your post, I make this readable. Please remember to type a space between the last Chinese character and the closing bracket. Otherwise the smilies hit.

IEither 100 or 150 for regular HJ (tui1 you2 推油 )
Rmb200 if you get the breast massage (xiong1 tui1 胸推 ) - it was well worth it. I was more turned on than many FS experiences.

FernandoAlonso
10-04-08, 17:01
Since you are a regular member and can't edit your post, I make this readable. Please remember to type a space between the last Chinese character and the closing bracket. Otherwise the smilies hit.On the risk of being obnoxious.

From Hujialou station runs only Chaoyang NORTH street, paralleled by Guandongdian North. Chaoyang Outer is a bit south at the Jianguan Hotel westwards from 3rd ring and heads to Dongdaqiao station (from where they both meet and become Chaoyang Outer only), but has no parallel street. So is/are the BBS now west of Hujialou on Chaoyang Bei or on Chaoyang Wai (Outer) street.

FA

FernandoAlonso
10-05-08, 13:54
VTC

Its not as difficult as you think. The directions posted by Andreas & Chef Type are pretty good and you can't go that far wrong by yourself.

One thing though. Pls remember to go after 11pm as pointed out Ms. Jin is nervous about her neighbours interest if they think there are too many foreigners (ie: non locals) visiting her establishment.

Also, behave and be respectful and it will come back in spades to your favour.

\WapecJust to be sure you mean go to the BBS after 11pm or her secondary place? The Barbershop itself should not be an issue during daytime or do I miss something here?

FA

Bad Boy Billy
10-06-08, 00:56
Are you guys able to access ISG again inside China or still need to use proxy?

Beijing Xiber
10-06-08, 02:28
Are you guys able to access ISG again inside China or still need to use proxy?

BBB:

I am still on proxy. Until recently, could not post or use the sms of ISG via the proxy but both seem to work now, but only via proxy.

If I try to connect without the proxy, I get the following timed out messsage: "The server at internationalsexguide.info is taking too long to respond." which is what I have always gotten in the past for blocked sites by big brother.

BJXB

OldAsiaHand
10-06-08, 02:56
The Barbershop itself should not be an issue during daytime or do I miss something here?
FA

FA,

I have been turned away at some BBS during the daytime hours, especially those that do not have back of shop access to their accomodations. This is because it is obvious that a laowai walking around the area is only there for one purpose and we stand out. It could be dangerous for you and the BBS should you be seen entering a building for illegal purposes.

Just my POV.

OAH

FernandoAlonso
10-06-08, 03:32
FA,

I have been turned away at some BBS during the daytime hours, especially those that do not have back of shop access to their accomodations. This is because it is obvious that a laowai walking around the area is only there for one purpose and we stand out. It could be dangerous for you and the BBS should you be seen entering a building for illegal purposes.

Just my POV.

OAHOAH,

Thanks, good advice. Never had the feeling before this was so dangerous but of course you are right, especially if it concerns venues that attract unusual attention.

Where do I get my haircut and/or lunch break relief from then...

FA

Eaglestar
10-06-08, 04:45
Are you guys able to access ISG again inside China or still need to use proxy?

I cannot access in China unless I use my VPN. Recently in Hong Kong for a week and had no problem, even without VPN

ES

Gaoshou
10-06-08, 06:36
On the risk of being obnoxious.

From Hujialou station runs only Chaoyang NORTH street, paralleled by Guandongdian North. Chaoyang Outer is a bit south at the Jianguan Hotel westwards from 3rd ring and heads to Dongdaqiao station (from where they both meet and become Chaoyang Outer only), but has no parallel street. So is/are the BBS now west of Hujialou on Chaoyang Bei or on Chaoyang Wai (Outer) street.

FASorry, you're not obnoxious. My bad with the wrong street name. The street running west from Hujialou subway that has the BBS's is indeed Chaoyang Beilu 潮阳北路 (don't know if these characters will appear. The translation is Chaoyang North Street), not Chaoyangmenwai Dajie.

Be aware that the first shop (on the L or south side of Chaoyang Beilu) doesn't appear for about 100-200 m, and you can't really see it if you're setting off from the subway station. So just keep walking and you'll find it.

OldAsiaHand
10-06-08, 07:12
FA,

There are many factors involved. In areas frequented by foreigners, there should be no problem e.g. the BBS joints across the street from the Lido in BJ. Some areas are under more scrutiny than others. The last time it happened to me was in Shenzhen in the Futian Walmart area. This area has been open and shut down very often recently so the operators are playing it very safe. I've known all the mamasans in this area for many, many years. It was obviously for my protection in this case. I went to another BBS with inside access and was served. Finally, the very local areas where I often monger present a risk since the BBS are often situated in a village of sorts where there are many locals just hanging out. That said, most local Chinese couldn't give a rat's ass about your dealings, however, it only takes one vigilante with a cause to "clean up" the neighborhood.

Some basic precautions can be taken to avoid trouble. First, get in and out of the BBS and the area quickly. Do not walk around too much, hang in the shop, etc. Go to the room by yourself or with the lao ban first and let the girl follow a few minutes later. Pay the girl in the room, leave by yourself and don't return to the shop afterwards. Don't push for service in a BBS. If they tell you no, accept it and move on. They usually have a good reason. Get to know the BBS management well. They will warn you if there is any risk.

Just my POV.

OAH



OAH,

Thanks, good advice. Never had the feeling before this was so dangerous but of course you are right, especially if it concerns venues that attract unusual attention.

Where do I get my haircut and/or lunch break relief from then...

FA

Monomi
10-07-08, 17:03
Long time BBS frequenter (semi-expert) decided to upgrade recently, with a WG. Picked her up via tout outside Jianguo men Hotel, a guy who goes by the name Smith. Thought that would be a surefire way to find the PSE of my dreams. I speak Chinese so the negotiations were smooth. Picked the chick out of a carload of three. In retrospect I broke the cardinal rule: always refuse the first one or two or even three offerings. Jumped the gun because it was a first time thing. Ended up tolerably satisfied, but it wasn't really what I wanted. The girl was accommodating enough, but, yeah, after five minutes with her all the delusion that this was anything other than work was pretty much dispelled. Maybe shouldn't have been deluded in the first place. I'd originally negotiated an all-night price, but she pulled some stupid hooker logic to shorten the time to three hours. She did CBJ and two sessions and I ended up giving her a load on the chest (she was not happy about this). Anyway, bottom line is that mongering via tout seems like a dead-end. Anyone have any differing thoughts/experiences? Am convinced Mongolian is the way to go in BJ and sauna in Shanghai. Aside from that, GFE I guess.

Anyone care to share an in with a reliable (and stunningly hot) Mongolian?

Flamboyant Bob
10-07-08, 23:54
Dear good people of ISG!

It has come to the point in time for me to introduce myself

Well what can I say, I am Flamboyant Bob.

I have been RTFF for a couple of months now (Read Thailand, Beijing, Bali and Tokyo part of the Forum). I came across this forum while I was searching the net for a massage place in Bangkok near Sukhumvit Rd and I did find some good info and firsthand reports that help me take the leap to the other side The Dark side is so much more fun and I don't regret one moment of it. Without you guys I would still be blind and clueless. So once again THANKS! So here comes my first report and contribution from BJ the other day:

Arrived at BJ early afternoon and decided to try out Minglan Club at Phoenix Grand Hotel (posted by WooVictor) which seemed like a hassle free place to relax after a long flight from Europe. Took a Taxi from my hotel to Phoenix Grand Hotel, and went up to 6: th floor. Got greeted by a beautiful hostess at the reception asking for my membership card in broken English. Lucky me there was a Chinese gent. Leaving the place who started to translate for me as I don't know any Chinese. He got me in so, so far so good. Once in side, I got changed and showered in front of 3 guys. Must say that I was starting to doubt WooVictors advice coming to Minglan and thinking that I was in the wrong place. So far I had only seen guys. After the quite disturbing shower I got lead into a lounge where I was handed over to a hostess leading me to my massage room. A young pretty massage lady enters and looked confused seeing me on the bed. Not a flying start on the massage, but it progresses to the better. The young lady turns out to be quite a good masseur. She starts to massage me and spends quite some time "teasing" me giving me a solid hard on. After some time of teasing/massage she tells me to turn over and positions herself between my legs and starting to give my cock a some serious attention until I popped. After that, the session finishes quite promptly. This was quite a good massage/HJ session. During the massage I happen to let my fingers wonder some over the young Lady's body trying to get a peak of her breasts which made her turn quite stiff and looking scared. I believe that Minglan Club comes with a "complementary" HJ but nothing more. Please Do prove me wrong and I'll return. Anyways I left the place happy, Relaxed and about 600rmb poorer

After Minglan I had to get some work done. Well I'm gonna spare you of some boring details. Long story short, I returned to my hotel and called the in house massage service. 5min laterthere's a knock on my door. In comes a quite nice young girl 24 years old she tells me. It Starts out like a legitimit massage until she reaches my buttocks when she janks my underpants straight off. More semi legit massage before she asks me to turn over to my back. It doesn't takes long before she starts to massaging my cock asking if I want a HJ. I tell her no and she asks why not. I tell her that I want FS or nothing else. Haggling about the price back and forth for quite some time and we agree on 900rmb. She probably normally doesn't do FS as she turns quite paranoid. Quite amusing seeing her making sure the door is locked, almost whispering. Off comes her clothes revealing a nice body with firm small breasts. She turns out to be quite amonster in bed, she eagerly rides me and happily changes positions on my cue. Blowing my second load for the day I continue by giving her a orgasm by hand. (I try to be a gentleman). Afterwards there is some hugging before she hits the shower. She gets dressed and gives me a big hug saying thank you before she leaves. Once again a good experience which left me relaxed.

All the best, The new guy.

Flamboyant Bob

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Sammy_T
10-08-08, 07:18
First, welcome Flamboyant Bob and Monomi! Thanks for taking the time to post your experiences!

Earlier this week I had the pleasure of meeting Schubba at the Pig and going on a little tour.

First, it seems the Pig is back in it's old routine - Chinese girls start to show up around 7 pm, with Mongolian girls trickling in around 10 pm. Many of the same Chinese girls that have been working the Pig for years, along with a few new girls. As I previously reported, there are several new Mongolian girls too, and many of the girls who previously "worked" the Pig are now returning.

Around 11 pm we left the Pig and went to Swing Bar on Sanlutun (#58). It seems this is the 2nd stop on the Mongolian trail as several of the girls from the Pig ended up here too. After an hour I left Schubba behind and went to Absent. It was crowded, and there were some Mongolian girls there too. I did not see any Russian working girls.

There you have it - if you are looking to find Mongolian girls you can start at the Pig around 10 pm almost any night of the week, and you will find some. Buy them a drink, chat with them, and get their mobile number. After one night you should be able to get enough phone numbers to last you through your stay in Beijing!

Sammy

Afriend995
10-08-08, 18:12
Does anyone know if Maggie's Bar has re-opened yet?

Sammy_T
10-09-08, 04:40
Does anyone know if Maggie's Bar has re-opened yet?
Nope. The current DJ at Swing, who was a former DJ at Maggie's, told me the other night not to expect them to open for another couple of MONTHS.

On the plus side, I get calls every day from Mongolian girls that are returning to Beijing. As I have posted, The Pig has started to pick back up. We just need to find a late night spot for the girls to gather after The Pig while Maggie's is out of commission. The girls will go where ever the guys go, but the guys only want to go where there are girls. I am certain that there are several guys in Beijing "looking for action", but we are spread out all over the city. Now that the olympics are finished I think it is safe for us to gather together again. Swing is OK, but it is kinda small. It is also located on Sanlutun with big windows facing the street, making it difficult for a clandestine rendezvous. In the past The Den has been suggested as a Maggie's alternative. I am partial to Cafe Del Mar, but it may be difficult for me to get the girls to go there since the last time I tried (during the pre-olympic crack down) several of the girls got arrested. I know some girls have been going to Bar Blu late night, as well as Absent. Any other suggested alternatives?

Sammy

Bored In Beijing
10-09-08, 05:50
Long time BBS frequenter (semi-expert) decided to upgrade recently, with a WG. Picked her up via tout outside Jianguo men Hotel, a guy who goes by the name Smith. Thought that would be a surefire way to find the PSE of my dreams. I speak Chinese so the negotiations were smooth. Picked the chick out of a carload of three. In retrospect I broke the cardinal rule: always refuse the first one or two or even three offerings. Jumped the gun because it was a first time thing. Ended up tolerably satisfied, but it wasn't really what I wanted. The girl was accommodating enough, but, yeah, after five minutes with her all the delusion that this was anything other than work was pretty much dispelled. Maybe shouldn't have been deluded in the first place. I'd originally negotiated an all-night price, but she pulled some stupid hooker logic to shorten the time to three hours. She did CBJ and two sessions and I ended up giving her a load on the chest (she was not happy about this). Anyway, bottom line is that mongering via tout seems like a dead-end. Anyone have any differing thoughts/experiences? Am convinced Mongolian is the way to go in BJ and sauna in Shanghai. Aside from that, GFE I guess.

Anyone care to share an in with a reliable (and stunningly hot) Mongolian?The touts seem to bring in loads of girls from the country, and alas, they are there for the cash and they usually have little idea about sex. I have had a few similar experiences to you using touts.

Best to allow the WG's to approach you directly. There seem to be plenty hanging around Guo Mao and the Jianguo these days and I also noticed a lot hanging around outside The Den a few nights ago. While not all are great I have found a few gems out there.

Bearsk
10-09-08, 06:34
Good post, Which hotel did you stay in?
[QUOTE=Flamboyant Bob]. Well I'm gonna spare you of some boring details. Long story short, I returned to my hotel and called the in house massage service. 5min laterthere's a knock on my door....

Beijing Fox
10-09-08, 13:35
Yes, I agree, the Swing, which I visited early this week, is too small and too exposed. The Lido is somewhat far.. . .

During the Olympics I spotted some Mongolians in bloc8. The place is large, not so exposed, has music to dance . . . Unfortunately there were nearly no people the last two times I went there. We and our sister would stick out too much as long as it doesn't go back to its previous occupancy.






Nope. The current DJ at Swing, who was a former DJ at Maggie's, told me the other night not to expect them to open for another couple of MONTHS.

On the plus side, I get calls every day from Mongolian girls that are returning to Beijing. As I have posted, The Pig has started to pick back up. We just need to find a late night spot for the girls to gather after The Pig while Maggie's is out of commission. The girls will go where ever the guys go, but the guys only want to go where there are girls. I am certain that there are several guys in Beijing "looking for action", but we are spread out all over the city. Now that the olympics are finished I think it is safe for us to gather together again. Swing is OK, but it is kinda small. It is also located on Sanlutun with big windows facing the street, making it difficult for a clandestine rendezvous. In the past The Den has been suggested as a Maggie's alternative. I am partial to Cafe Del Mar, but it may be difficult for me to get the girls to go there since the last time I tried (during the pre-olympic crack down) several of the girls got arrested. I know some girls have been going to Bar Blu late night, as well as Absent. Any other suggested alternatives?

Sammy

The Tanuki
10-09-08, 13:43
Yes, I agree, the Swing, which I visited early this week, is too small and too exposed. The Lido is somewhat far.. . .

During the Olympics I spotted some Mongolians in bloc8. The place is large, not so exposed, has music to dance . . . Unfortunately there were nearly no people the last two times I went there. We and our sister would stick out too much as long as it doesn't go back to its previous occupancy.
It's a bit on the loud side, but Mix seems relatively anonymous.

How is Bar One these days?

Was hoping Maggie's would be there next week after my 6 month absence...

Tankuki

Flamboyant Bob
10-09-08, 15:09
Bearsk,

The hotel that I'm staying at during my visits to BJ would be the Radisson.

I will submit another report soon about my other in-house massage experiences... :) Kinda busy now, Plz be patient.

I will be heading to BKK on Sunday and hopefully be able to score a piece of the action.

Linkhainan
10-10-08, 09:42
I went to MIX with 4 business partners near the end of last month, seeing some hot girls, but had no chance to approach to them. They usually go there with group of firends.

An incident was one waiter guy came to me and murmered if I could convinced my foreign business partners of consuming RMB2388, he could provide some beers, soft drink and tea(only worth more than RMB100 in supermarket.), and what's the most was that he could refound me a VIP member card with RMB2388 in it. So next time I go there, I could buy any liquor by using that card without paying any cash. Of course I will never set such trap to my friends and refused him to do so. As the result, he seemed to become a little angry which I could read from his face.

I suggest not to get there so early, going there around 11PM is ok, as more and more gals is coming gradually. But I really don't rate is as an ideal place to meet some gals with an eye on having sex. It's not only an expensive place, but also the gals there are most showing their aggressive dignity.

Perhaps you guys have some other feelings about MIX.


It's a bit on the loud side, but Mix seems relatively anonymous.

How is Bar One these days?

Was hoping Maggie's would be there next week after my 6 month absence...

Tankuki

Horny Cock
10-10-08, 13:44
Nope. The current DJ at Swing, who was a former DJ at Maggie's, told me the other night not to expect them to open for another couple of MONTHS.

SammyHi,

How about Hollywood? Is it back to business? Are there many Russian girls there?

Cheers!

Taire Beijing
10-11-08, 04:49
Myself and a friend are actually working on a more central alternative at a new 5 star hotel not more than a stones throw from guanghua lu.

We have the go ahead from the management of the hotel who would actually like to see more girls in their bar in order to attract more guys. Who would have thought in this day and age a bar that actually wants to have more mongolian girls there.

Spoke about it with my favorite mongolian yesterday (i'm sure some of you know who that is already from previous posts) and hopefully she will be able to sort out a few ladies to be there for the evenings. IIt won't be a free for all for the girls though as management want to make sure they have some control over numbers.

The bar is generally open until around 2 am ish, although they say they will stay open longer if they have customers.

It will take about a week to sort out and the number of girls being requird will be dependant on the number of other customers, they pointed out 100 girls the second a guy walks in may be a little too intimidating, but it will certainly be somewhere to go to socialise with you favorite northern sisters without the long trek out to lido. PM me for location of the bar if interested in checking it out, or wait about 10 days and I am sure one of the 'seven' will be able to direct you.

Also working on a more private venue for parties (similar to the idea some of the board members discussed previously) which we hope to have up and running over before the end of the year too. :)


Nope. The current DJ at Swing, who was a former DJ at Maggie's, told me the other night not to expect them to open for another couple of MONTHS.

On the plus side, I get calls every day from Mongolian girls that are returning to Beijing. As I have posted, The Pig has started to pick back up. We just need to find a late night spot for the girls to gather after The Pig while Maggie's is out of commission. The girls will go where ever the guys go, but the guys only want to go where there are girls. I am certain that there are several guys in Beijing "looking for action", but we are spread out all over the city. Now that the olympics are finished I think it is safe for us to gather together again. Swing is OK, but it is kinda small. It is also located on Sanlutun with big windows facing the street, making it difficult for a clandestine rendezvous. In the past The Den has been suggested as a Maggie's alternative. I am partial to Cafe Del Mar, but it may be difficult for me to get the girls to go there since the last time I tried (during the pre-olympic crack down) several of the girls got arrested. I know some girls have been going to Bar Blu late night, as well as Absent. Any other suggested alternatives?

Sammy

Worm
10-11-08, 08:51
There is a small group from one of the expat churches here who have been making a tour of some of the western embassies. They want to talk about the situation with foreign prostitutes. The basic position is that these women, mongolians, filipinas and eastern europeans are being sex trafficked into Beijing. They want the embassies to bust their nationals involved in this, as well as complain to the Chinese about it.

Be careful out there. It is a felony in the US to be involved in sex trafficking. They arrest you at the border.

Zhuren
10-11-08, 14:10
There is a small group from one of the expat churches here who have been making a tour of some of the western embassies. They want to talk about the situation with foreign prostitutes. The basic position is that these women, mongolians, filipinas and eastern europeans are being sex trafficked into Beijing. They want the embassies to bust their nationals involved in this, as well as complain to the Chinese about it.

Be careful out there. It is a felony in the US to be involved in sex trafficking. They arrest you at the border.

Omygod. The bigots are coming to China. Let’s hope they’ll be kicked right out. The NGOs are ostentially protecting innocent women, in reality they are on a bible-thumping crusade against sex. “Trafficking” in women means forceful kidnapping of women, rendering them to places they don’t want to go to, and forcing them to have nonconsensual sex. I’m not an expert in girls from the Philippines or Russia, but all Mongolians I know are here totally on their own. I have seen zero pimping. Them being here is driven by money they cannot make back home. What do those friggen NGOs want? Have the girls live back home in poverty? Have the children they usually care for go hungry? In any case, if the NGOs go to the Mongolian, Philippine or Russian embassies, they are barking up the wrong tree. An embassy can't deport anybody. The place where girls can be stopped are at immigration. And they are. Most girls that were picked up before the Olympics are barred from coming back. Trafficking my eye. They want to be here.

And what’s the nonsense about being careful out there, they can arrest you at the U.S. border for trafficking? Obtaining the services from a WG ain’t trafficking. According to Wikipedia, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is “the recruitment, transportation, harbouring, or receipt of people for the purposes of slavery, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and servitude.”

Meiguoguizi
10-11-08, 14:42
And what’s the nonsense about being careful out there, they can arrest you at the U.S. border for trafficking? Obtaining the services from a WG ain’t trafficking. According to Wikipedia, [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) is “the recruitment, transportation, harbouring, or receipt of people for the purposes of slavery, forced labor (including bonded labor or debt bondage) and servitude.”

There are several young Chinese and Mongolian women who repeatedly "recruit" "harbour" and "receive" me for the purpose of "debt bondage". Am I victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?

FernandoAlonso
10-11-08, 16:24
For the non-Mongolian fraction,

all in the Kunlun/Hilton/Kempinski area is back to normal. All the girls and mamasans are back on the streets, the BBS are open (they are really everywhere, now that I finally recognise them, will update my map when I am back) just open your eyes. Price levels also normal HJ BBS 100/FS if available 200 streetgirls 400 for 2 hours (all this prices are after negotiations with some rudimentary Chinese tai gui le and some numbers do a big part of the trick).

So have fun guys and keep the posts flowing, and one remark if you give directions please give the right ones not write north if it is south and if you do not know the street names do not just mention ones, it gets cold outside and it is not fun running half an hour around searching on a street that does not exist...

Had a nice session with a girl I picked up behind Kempinski, battle hardened pro of 28, really nice face, full pro (no kissing on mouth), does no BJ but is nice to be with, stayed much much longer than agreed and was nice to talk to (and to f*** of course). If you hear the stories of their lifes you really learn to respect them, they have experiences every TV soap could use. But they survive it, they make a lot of money but loose it to bad or ill family, even bad boyfriends, some waste it but if they do not pick up a sugar daddy who marries them they have little chances to get out of this circle. They have no education and everybody sees them just as sex object. She has a little music education she could use but every club/barowner just employs her as long as he gets free sex. Makes me vomit these guys.

So enjoy but treat them fair and with respect, many of them are wonderful girls and most who behave badly in our eyes (and I can tell a long sad story about that) do not do this fully aware what they do but to survive. Keep that in mind

FA

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FernandoAlonso
10-11-08, 16:46
Who says BBS is cheap and dirty, this girl is a dream if you find her. Thank you Andreas for the tips. Young, beautiful, lovely and loves sex. Better attitude than my last Mongolian (which was a miss) and even GFE. For sure will do her again. If you look for a nice quickie, this is your best option!

You have to go at night and call before, she will pick you up at the street, this is a residential area and even busy at night due to the constructions going on, so please protect this pearl!

FA

FernandoAlonso
10-11-08, 16:57
Finally the Olympics are gone, GF is thrown out of my hotel and life and ready for my first Mongolian. Fellow and friendly senior mongers help establish the contact and meet the lady for a tea (first mistake). Looks all ok, she is a keeper.

Starts out like all you ever wished for, sweet kisses, 100% GFE, a body to die for (where do they get these tits).. after an hour ready for a bit more. Shower? She refused, did already, hmmmmm, ok I shower, up to bed, wait the tea kicks in several times, so after a while and several phone calls by her we are finally together in bed, BUT more kissing, ok and....nothing..the 10 before gets to level zero, no more gfe, dead fish, what is up? Nothing, you do not like kissing, sex is kissing...

Did not get further, threw her out, behaviour seems not to be the first time, other seniors find her the best ever, so it must be a day form issue. But a real expensive cold shower for me.

So if you encounter her and she does this to you, throw her out without payment, this is not a habit we should cultivate. I idiot paid her but with the top prices they charge (and they still want Olympic rates) top performance should be mandatory.

Anyone similar experiences?

FA

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Weelock
10-11-08, 17:09
There are several young Chinese and Mongolian women who repeatedly "recruit" "harbour" and "receive" me for the purpose of "debt bondage". Am I victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?

Yes, I have heard some, NOT ALL, will get into some kind of loan problem with pimps. These loan programs have high interest rate. Sometimes impossible to payoff and with HUGE late penalties. Then stores of lies of getting good jobs, then getting tricked into the business. One store is some kind of saving program scam. Where they have to deposit money each month to get high interest. If they stop putting money in, they will loss all their money. After a few years, lies of losing their money or they disappear.

The worst yet is traveling to some foreign country as a working girl, then getting your passport taken by your pimp. With your earnings, you have to pay expenses like getting to the foreign country and living expenses. Then it's more expensive living in the foreign country. You have competition from other pretty girls. Whats money left is very little. I heard, Japan has lots of Chinese and Philippines as "debt bondage". Scared to do anything because of threats to them or to their family back home. Most of these operations are controlled by organized gangs. Their family back home don't know what really do for work, and they don't want to lose face.

Macau is a good example. In Macau, Lisboa Hotel working girls first have to do at least one to two guys just to break even for their hotel room. Their hotel room are about 800-1800 HKD depending on what days. Hotels rooms are cheaper during non holidays and more expensive during holidays and weekends. Then you have to add their other expenses, food, pimp, transportation, visa etc. Then maybe paying an upfront cost or getting a loan with interest. Their first day on the job, they will see 40 to 50 other pretty girls, fierce competition. After a week working, their deal doesn't look as good and they want out. The girls are forced to find the next guy quickly and not get into debt. This is the major reason why you will always get poor service at Lisboa. There is too much expense to cover to make any good money. Hong Kong is another example of "debt bondage". It's nearly impossible to get out once you are caught in the debt hole.


But the majority will get into the business on their own and are not forced. A few will make as much as doctors and lawyers in their own country. On the average most will make more than the average factory worker. This is just my opinion.

Zhuren
10-11-08, 18:22
I heard, Japan has lots of Chinese and Philippines as "debt bondage".

OK, so let's send the bible-thumping NGOs to Tokyo then. They'll get the usual treatment:

"Sumimasen. No gaijin!"

Zhuren
10-11-08, 18:24
There are several young Chinese and Mongolian women who repeatedly "recruit" "harbour" and "receive" me for the purpose of "debt bondage". Am I victim of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)?

You definitely are. Especially when they tie you up, and you pay.

The Tanuki
10-11-08, 23:29
.... What do those friggen NGOs want? Have the girls live back home in poverty? Have the children they usually care for go hungry? In any case, if the NGOs go to the Mongolian, Philippine or Russian embassies, they are barking up the wrong tree. An embassy can't deport anybody. The place where girls can be stopped are at immigration. And they are. Most girls that were picked up before the Olympics are barred from coming back. Trafficking my eye. They want to be here.


Just typical religious Blah from people who think they're not allowed to enjoy life, trying to keep the rest of us from enjoying ours. Nope, I didn't stuff that Mongolian in the back of a truck, charge her $5000, drag her to Beijing and THEN give her 1200 RMB so I could play hide the weenie, so I'm at least innocent of trafficking. And, strictly speaking, we aren't paying for sex, we're paying for them to go away after sex... :eek:

Tankuki

Beijing Fox
10-12-08, 03:05
From my insider informant I hear that there are such scams going on in Erenhot and Macao, but apparently not in Beijing.

Also, from my personal (am I an Insider in this case?) experience I know that most of the Mongolians here in Beijing need and use the money to feed their families back home in UB and keep them warm during the winter.

So, if you want to do a good deed today, engage a Mongolian this evening and, if the service is good, give generously. I hear coal prices are up 100% this year. Give them a 'fuel surcharge'







Just typical religious Blah from people who think they're not allowed to enjoy life, trying to keep the rest of us from enjoying ours. Nope, I didn't stuff that Mongolian in the back of a truck, charge her $5000, drag her to Beijing and THEN give her 1200 RMB so I could play hide the weenie, so I'm at least innocent of trafficking. And, strictly speaking, we aren't paying for sex, we're paying for them to go away after sex... :eek:

Tankuki

Andreas Wang
10-12-08, 08:12
You have to go at night and call before ...
Well, that is not entirely correct.

You do not have to show up at night - it's just better for you.

If you show up during the day her flat is off limits and service will be in the shop. Not a bad location, but it will definitely be ST. If you show up at night on the other hand you can use either the shop or the flat and she will not rush. Or at least she did not rush me (I think the roleplays amused her).

Calling before though - I seriously recommend. She does outcalls (300 RMB ST) and overnight (700 RMB) and you don't want to show up at 0:00 and find out she has been booked now, do you?


Just typical religious Blah from people who think they're not allowed to enjoy life.
Puritanism: The valid fear that someone, somewhere could be happy.

;)

Taire Beijing
10-12-08, 19:16
Finally the Olympics are gone, GF is thrown out of my hotel and life and ready for my first Mongolian. Fellow and friendly senior mongers help establish the contact and meet the lady for a tea (first mistake). Looks all ok, she is a keeper.

Starts out like all you ever wished for, sweet kisses, 100% GFE, a body to die for (where do they get these tits).. after an hour ready for a bit more. Shower? She refused, did already, hmmmmm, ok I shower, up to bed, wait the tea kicks in several times, so after a while and several phone calls by her we are finally together in bed, BUT more kissing, ok and....nothing..the 10 before gets to level zero, no more gfe, dead fish, what is up? Nothing, you do not like kissing, sex is kissing...

Did not get further, threw her out, behaviour seems not to be the first time, other seniors find her the best ever, so it must be a day form issue. But a real expensive cold shower for me.

So if you encounter her and she does this to you, throw her out without payment, this is not a habit we should cultivate. I idiot paid her but with the top prices they charge (and they still want Olympic rates) top performance should be mandatory.

Anyone similar experiences?

FA

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For someone going with the same girl who goes from a GFE to a very passive participant, maybe she likes the guy to be more aggresive, maybe that's what the guys recommending her like about her, just a thought.

Personally my favorite northern sister blows my mind almost every time i see her, to the point that now I probably colour my opinion of all mongolians because of this, but I am sure if you like something different to me then you would find her dull as dishwater, hard as that may be for me to imagine.

I think this is one of the reasons I miss maggies, at least in that type of environment you get to see the girl, her personality etc.. make a judgement on what you think she will be like build some anticipation etc.

It's also one of the reasons I have never tried the bbs scene as I always imagine the girls there to be fairly mechanical and without the whistles and bells you get at some of the shanghai spas. Will have to try one of these days and see whether I have been missing out.

Taire Beijing
10-12-08, 20:00
With the Olympics done and the news that naked shows were back on the menu a couple of Chinese friends and I took a friend for his first Chinese ktv experience last week.

I have been to this place a few times before but with the lack of posts about KTVs on here recently thought I would update.

The venue has relocated back to the basement of the hotel it was in pre-Olympics, its about 10 mins south of tian an men. The hotel is of the Chinese business hotel style so rooms are not too pricey if you want to indulge after hours.

The mamasan we know did her usual routine when she saw we had a new guy with us, hiked the skirt to reveal her hairy pussy, rubbed he business card a little and handed it to him. She then made to pull a couple of hairs from the bush and acted like she dropped them in his opening cup of Chinese tea before wanting to drink with him.

Given the amount of hair that is still down there I doubt she actually does rip a couple out for every new guest there, its just for show.. but still it always has the affect of putting the drinker off his tea. Lmao.

Anyway the first selection comes in, its ok, I would say 6s and 7s on the whole.

I chose a slim girl with long hair and a pretty smile that is going out of her way to make eye contact and smile at me. It seems the new guy was considering her too, but hey, I held back a minute to give him first choice and he didn't pick, how long does he think I'll wait.

He takes a taller girl with one of my Chinese buddies taking his usual and the other taking a less attractive girl who at least seems to have decent tits.

A bit of drinking, a bit of dice and after an hour or so they start the show. To be honest my friend was not overly impressed, but then he spent years living in Thailand, so I knew where he was coming from. The shows here are not up to pattaya standards, but it is a hell of a lot closer for a night out.

Usual type of thing, marker pen in pussy and writing names on paper, bottle opener in pussy and taking the top off a beer, un screwing the top of a bottle of water and then squirting the water from the bottle across the room from her pussy and the very tame licking peas/nuts off the girls bodies.

This was then followed by maybe 15 mins of naked dancing and messing around. When they went around the four of us sitting down with a 15 second lap dance each from each girl I pointed out to a friend that the best idea would be for them to all just kneel down and give each guy a bj. The first guy to cum would have to pay for the night out.

That to me would be a much better game than dice and would certainly improve the show, but the girls did not seem keen on that or maybe the Chinese guy I asked to translate the details of the plan bottled it and said something rather different, either way I still think its a top idea for a ktv game and a great way to break the ice with a bunch of ktv girls :)

I also tried to get one of the girls to give another girl a dance and lick her body, but they just giggled and seemed embarrassed.

Total damage for the night was around RMB600 each including the 300 tip per girl. Saying that we were on vodka cokes and a couple of the guys are not big drinkers.

I have a card for the place if anyone is interested and needs the address. (sorry still hesitant to post to much detail on here).

I have been told there is a better place, prettier girls, better shows, in a similar area so will be checking that one out with some friends on either the 24th or 25th if anyone feels like tagging along. The more the merrier as the more guys there are means the more naked girls.

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Simbad99
10-14-08, 16:29
To Bad Boy Billy

I am experiencing problem to PM you regarding the party planned on the 18th, maybe due to the use of proxy ?

I would like to join the group on Saturday, as business will bring me in BJ later this week. Please let me know the details.

Looking forward to meeting the senior members over there.

Thanks,

Simbad

Linkhainan
10-14-08, 16:46
I had the same experience with you years ago. These KTVs are usually located in the southen Beijing city, -1F or -2F of the hotel. The mamasans have their special welcome way as soon as you enter the room. You can play several special games among the naked girls as well. What's more important you could take away one gal, after having funs in room, to the above floor inside the same hotel for whole night. Price should bargin with mamasans(around rmb800) and the room price for one night is also more cheaper than you reserve from outside.


With the Olympics done and the news that naked shows were back on the menu a couple of Chinese friends and I took a friend for his first Chinese ktv experience last week.

I have been to this place a few times before but with the lack of posts about KTVs on here recently thought I would update.

The venue has relocated back to the basement of the hotel it was in pre-Olympics, its about 10 mins south of tian an men. The hotel is of the Chinese business hotel style so rooms are not too pricey if you want to indulge after hours.

The mamasan we know did her usual routine when she saw we had a new guy with us, hiked the skirt to reveal her hairy pussy, rubbed he business card a little and handed it to him. She then made to pull a couple of hairs from the bush and acted like she dropped them in his opening cup of Chinese tea before wanting to drink with him.

Given the amount of hair that is still down there I doubt she actually does rip a couple out for every new guest there, its just for show.. but still it always has the affect of putting the drinker off his tea. Lmao.

Anyway the first selection comes in, its ok, I would say 6s and 7s on the whole.

I chose a slim girl with long hair and a pretty smile that is going out of her way to make eye contact and smile at me. It seems the new guy was considering her too, but hey, I held back a minute to give him first choice and he didn't pick, how long does he think I'll wait.

He takes a taller girl with one of my Chinese buddies taking his usual and the other taking a less attractive girl who at least seems to have decent tits.

A bit of drinking, a bit of dice and after an hour or so they start the show. To be honest my friend was not overly impressed, but then he spent years living in Thailand, so I knew where he was coming from. The shows here are not up to pattaya standards, but it is a hell of a lot closer for a night out.

Usual type of thing, marker pen in pussy and writing names on paper, bottle opener in pussy and taking the top off a beer, un screwing the top of a bottle of water and then squirting the water from the bottle across the room from her pussy and the very tame licking peas/nuts off the girls bodies.

This was then followed by maybe 15 mins of naked dancing and messing around. When they went around the four of us sitting down with a 15 second lap dance each from each girl I pointed out to a friend that the best idea would be for them to all just kneel down and give each guy a bj. The first guy to cum would have to pay for the night out.

That to me would be a much better game than dice and would certainly improve the show, but the girls did not seem keen on that or maybe the Chinese guy I asked to translate the details of the plan bottled it and said something rather different, either way I still think its a top idea for a ktv game and a great way to break the ice with a bunch of ktv girls :)

I also tried to get one of the girls to give another girl a dance and lick her body, but they just giggled and seemed embarrassed.

Total damage for the night was around RMB600 each including the 300 tip per girl. Saying that we were on vodka cokes and a couple of the guys are not big drinkers.

I have a card for the place if anyone is interested and needs the address. (sorry still hesitant to post to much detail on here).

I have been told there is a better place, prettier girls, better shows, in a similar area so will be checking that one out with some friends on either the 24th or 25th if anyone feels like tagging along. The more the merrier as the more guys there are means the more naked girls.

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Mark17
10-15-08, 08:31
Was in BJ last week, Thursday. Friday. Sms'd the girl I met through the internet (been with her before. See a previous post).

Last time, I had a good time with her, as she practiced deep throat.

Came to my hotel. (still cannot get her to drop her price 1000 2 hours). And was dressed sexy as hell. No bra on. But she wore a scarf to cover up, as she walked through the lobby.

Had a glass of wine, and I used the bathroom. When I came out she was naked in the bed already.

Here deep throating has improved as she did not gag as much.

Then she climbs on top. So I can suck on her tits. Nice large extended nipples, and she loves them sucked. Then as I am sucking, she tells me to bite them. And as I do, I think she cums right there. Pulls my hand around to her ass, and has me start spanking her, while she is still riding me.

Change positions a few times, and end up doggy, as I explode.

Well worth the price.

Next night, I meet up with a Thai girl I know. At Nashville. She is a nice girl, but I have not been able to get her in bed yet. She is planning to move back to BKK next week. While I am there, my eyes catch a real fox, there with her friend (a dog). But obvious to me both WG's. We make eye contact a few times, and smile. (trying to be discreet with my Thai friend by my side). I see she goes to the bathroom, so a few minutes later, I go to, hoping to meet up with her as there is a common sink area. And I do, she is standing there, still waiting as there was a que to the womens room. I ask her if she is having a good time, and she says "yes, how about you? " and I reply, could be better.

Very good English, and my thought she has a decent job, especially the way she was dressed and carried herself.

She goes into the bathroom, and I do to. On the way out, I stop at the bar and get a napkin and pen, and write my name and phone number down, and tell her I like to meet up sometime.

I just walk by her table and drop it off, and keep walking.

I see her talking with her friend, and a few minutes later, she send me a text message. Telling me her name, and pleased to meet me.

I respond, that "I am please to SEE you, as you look great"

A few minutes later, she says to call her some time, and for me to have a good night. At the end of the night, she ended up getting picked up. And I went home alone.

But will give her a call on my next visit next month.

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The Tanuki
10-15-08, 12:32
Got into town this afternoon, and after a couple free drinks (made them myself, so I have a decent buzz started) at the Kerry, it's time to go take a look at the resurgent Pig tonight. Might stroll over the the Cafe del Mar later.

FWIW I got a hotel massage after the flight here. They're wanting 1000 RMB now just for a hand job. WTF??? Is Olympic greed still that strong here?

If you see me in the dark blue corduroy sport coat, stop by and say Hi and let's have a toast to better days hopefully in the city. I'll be the fuggly one with his hand up some girl's skirt probably. :eek:

Tankuki

SE Asia Joe
10-15-08, 12:56
Total damage for the night was around RMB600 each including the 300 tip per girl. Saying that we were on vodka cokes and a couple of the guys are not big drinkers.

I have a card for the place if anyone is interested and needs the address. (sorry still hesitant to post to much detail on here).

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Oh wow - what a great report. I used to tromp up there all the time and never heard of such a place.
And the prcie.... That is really quite cheap for Beijing - RMB 300 for the KTV cost. Hell, what am I talking about, its even cheap for Chang Ping standards, never mind shenzhen/ guangzhou. How long did you guys party there/what else besides the booze did you have - presumably the usual fruit platter etc? Cheap, I AM impressed!!

What is the rest of the deal? 3-6-9 or ???

Thanks
SEAJ

Forget Me
10-15-08, 17:19
Will be staying at Swissotel in Beijing for the weekend. Understand there is inhouse massage service provided. Just wondering has anyone try it and whether FS is available and what the rate is like ?

New in beijing so appreciate recommendations on what are the nice massage places one can go around Swissotel area.

Btw, also am keen for outing with Bad Boy Billy and his band of jolly gd fellows on Oct 18. Please let me know the details. Looking forward to a good time in BJ.

Regard

The Tanuki
10-16-08, 00:30
Will be staying at Swissotel in Beijing for the weekend. Understand there is inhouse massage service provided. Just wondering has anyone try it and whether FS is available and what the rate is like ?

New in beijing so appreciate recommendations on what are the nice massage places one can go around Swissotel area.

Btw, also am keen for outing with Bad Boy Billy and his band of jolly gd fellows on Oct 18. Please let me know the details. Looking forward to a good time in BJ.

Regard
My experience to date with hotel massage is that you will likely get a pretty decent rubdown, but anything extra, if available at all, is going to cost you premium rates. Plus the girl is not your selection, so she may or may not be what you're hoping for. Not recommended overall, but YMMV as always. You can venture out to some of the massage areas shown in the google map for Beijing and do better. My 2 RMB worth this morning...

Tankuki

The Tanuki
10-16-08, 00:41
I've only been there a couple of times back in the winter, before all the Olympic spirit demoralized the town. But Sammy's note got me into a taxi and up there last night. Arrived around 8:30 due to boredom in the hotel, and the Pig was maybe 30% or so. What they hey, grabbed a Jack & Coke and sat down to see what would walk through the doors. Had to ignore a couple PRC girls, as I was looking to get back into some Mongolian. Some of the Maggie's girls showed up pretty soon, so I sat with them and had a good time. Tuggi and I had hooked up once before, and she'd been ok but nothing all that special. Anyhow, by 11 the place was doing ok, though everyone seemed to be drinking more than picking up WG's. Decided to make a night of it with Tuggi, but stopped over to the Den for some late dinner first. She hadn't seen that place so was curious. A few Mongolians were around there, but they were not the top girls.

Back to the hotel then, and got my lights fucked out. I guess Tuggi was a little tired of some of her recent customers and seemed very happy to hang out with me. She gave me the pre-Olympic rate of 1200 for all night, and she earned all of that. My skin is burned from her riding the hell outta me for so long. Yowza! Sure is good to be back in Beijing!

Now it's on to some of the serious partying to start as folks are coming into town. Woo Hoo!

Tankuki

Weelock
10-16-08, 21:40
bad boy billy,

i agree with s e joe and wapec (post in dongguan thread). i post it in bj thread since not everyone reads all the threads in china. i thought we mentioned about problems with taking pictures before bbb came to cp. just block out their faces or eyes before posting them.

i like to further add a few years ago, there were posts about websites stealing pictures/videos from isg. then an isg member was getting sued and threatened by a girl because he posted naked pictures of her in isg. another story in south east asia, about parents killing themselves after finding out what their little girl was doing. some friend found naked pictures and then showed them to her parents. they lost face. there are others stories of girls finding out and getting mad. many of these girl's parents and friends think they work in a factory somewhere far away. most of these girls are only in the business for a short time, less than 1 year.

i will not forget this guy who travels around the world for pussies. when he first came to china, several members were happy to show him around. he wrote in his first trip to china there wasn’t much of a problem with pictures and had a great time. during his second trip, after bring a girl back to his hotel, she said no to pictures. he didn’t pay and went back to complain and went to get another girl. the next girls the same, no, and a few others. since he doesn't speak any chinese, the mommies didn't know what was wrong. he insisted it was his right to take pictures, no pictures no money. it was part of the package and service. he was wondering why was there such a problem on his second trip. i heard this guy is black balled. i think it was around the same time the news about naked pictures of celebrities on the internet in southern china / hong kong hit but i could be wrong. i do know it's a lot harder now than before for pictures.

i also read he almost got his electronic equipment confirep001ed at the airport in one country. they found sex toys in his luggage and then examined everything in his laptop, cameras, tapes etc. if they found stuff like that in china, he would have been fine and maybe jailed for porno. then his equipment could have been confirep001ed. worst yet, some kind of stamp on his passport barring him from enter china again, or information put in a world wide database being a sex offender.

you can also be arrested like this doctor and teacher in hong kong, something more recent.

http://www.enews20.com/news_hong_kong_doctor_arrested_over_photos_of_naked_women_patients_12319.html

thanks for understanding, yes, this is a very sensitive issue in china.

G A R Y
10-17-08, 09:14
I'd like to check it out tonight or tomorrow, but can't PM (sorry). Can you say the name of the hotel? Is it OK to mention places by name again here?

Gary


Myself and a friend are actually working on a more central alternative at a new 5 star hotel not more than a stones throw from guanghua lu.

We have the go ahead from the management of the hotel who would actually like to see more girls in their bar in order to attract more guys. Who would have thought in this day and age a bar that actually wants to have more mongolian girls there.

Spoke about it with my favorite mongolian yesterday (i'm sure some of you know who that is already from previous posts) and hopefully she will be able to sort out a few ladies to be there for the evenings. IIt won't be a free for all for the girls though as management want to make sure they have some control over numbers.

The bar is generally open until around 2 am ish, although they say they will stay open longer if they have customers.

It will take about a week to sort out and the number of girls being requird will be dependant on the number of other customers, they pointed out 100 girls the second a guy walks in may be a little too intimidating, but it will certainly be somewhere to go to socialise with you favorite northern sisters without the long trek out to lido. PM me for location of the bar if interested in checking it out, or wait about 10 days and I am sure one of the 'seven' will be able to direct you.

Also working on a more private venue for parties (similar to the idea some of the board members discussed previously) which we hope to have up and running over before the end of the year too. :)

Taire Beijing
10-17-08, 09:22
Oh wow - what a great report. I used to tromp up there all the time and never heard of such a place.

And the prcie.... That is really quite cheap for Beijing - RMB 300 for the KTV cost. Hell, what am I talking about, its even cheap for Chang Ping standards, never mind shenzhen/ guangzhou. How long did you guys party there/what else besides the booze did you have - presumably the usual fruit platter etc? Cheap, I AM impressed!!

What is the rest of the deal? 3-6-9 or ???

Thanks,

SEAJSeaj,

I sent you a pm with name of the hotel that has this KTV and the phone number of the mamasan, btw can anyone tell me how to attached pictures to a PM so I can send the scanned business card with map on it?

It seems there are quite a few of these places in town, a Chinese guy I know uses a Chinese site like this to look the places up, get reviews etc, and then we try them out. They are pretty friendly to foreigners but you need to speak some Chinese to really enjoy them I guess.

The brake down of the costs was RMB 300 tip per girl, another 300 for the mamason and the rest on drink. For that we had a couple of bottles of vodka (cheapish brand I think) and a load of cokes. We had the usual fruit platter for food that was about it. Still can't figure out why they insist on putting tomatoes on a fruit platter though! We were there about 2 or 3 hrs I guess. We all chipped in 600 to the guy organising it and he covered the payments (including tips). Between 4 of us I guess it worked out to under RMB2500 total for the night.

They can book the rooms upstairs for you for a short time if you want and the price you can negoiate with the girl. One of my Chinese buddies was quoted 500 short time for the girl the first time we went. He did tell me that they also have this thing where if you ask for the same girl three times there she will give you short time for free, although never checked this out myself, so I can't confirm one way or the other. Personally I like to change girls each time.

Hope that helps.

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Zhuren
10-18-08, 08:09
The ISG (Beijing) chapter met Friday night at the crowded Pig & Whistle at the Lido Holiday Inn. Female to male ratio was estimated at 2:1. Bad Boy Billy vowed that he alone would consume the overhang of females. Andreas Wang was not allowed to bring his bicycle inside. Sammy, our fearless leader, was AWOL. Later inquiries revealed that he was stricken by intestinal sickness and had to stay home. Tankuki was monopolized by a charming Mongolian (Tuggi?). Felt a bit like the good old days.

Taire Beijing
10-18-08, 10:02
The ISG (Beijing) chapter met Friday night at the crowded Pig & Whistle at the Lido Holiday Inn. Female to male ratio was estimated at 2:1. Bad Boy Billy vowed that he alone would consume the overhang of females. Andreas Wang was not allowed to bring his bicycle inside. Sammy, our fearless leader, was AWOL. Later inquiries revealed that he was stricken by intestinal sickness and had to stay home. Tankuki was monopolized by a charming Mongolian (Tuggi?). Felt a bit like the good old days.Damn I seem to have been in the same place at the same time and missed saying hello. Again.

Told the GF I had to go out to have a 'work drink' last night and ended up at the pig. Got there about 11ish, still very full. I ended up chatting to Zaya and Tayu and heading off to some salsa bar with them. The shame of it all was that with the misses at home I couldn't take out as I alway found Zaya very tempting but something always gets in the way. Usually another mongolian: P

Anyway, the misses is away to Thailand tomorrow afternoon so if anyone is up for a drink on Sunday PM me, would be good to meet some of the more infamous senior memebers.

The Tanuki
10-18-08, 13:29
The ISG (Beijing) chapter met Friday night at the crowded Pig & Whistle at the Lido Holiday Inn. Female to male ratio was estimated at 2:1. Bad Boy Billy vowed that he alone would consume the overhang of females. Andreas Wang was not allowed to bring his bicycle inside. Sammy, our fearless leader, was AWOL. Later inquiries revealed that he was stricken by intestinal sickness and had to stay home. Tankuki was monopolized by a charming Mongolian (Tuggi?). Felt a bit like the good old days.

Didn't even know that Billy and Andreas were there... You shoulda said something. Well, at least we'll hope Sammy's doing better. Yes, Tuggi was taking care of me last night, though she seems to like to be called Julie now. :p

While the Pig is the defacto starting point now, it still has its drawbacks, such as lack of pool table, no dancing area, etc. It would be nice to have a larger venue available as well. You nearly have sex with people just trying to get past them. But at least there is the crowd again. Some very hot babes hang out there, for sure. So that is a good thing!

Noticed here in town that the touts are out in force again, actually worse than I'd seen last winter. Maybe they're all hungry after the drought, but around Wangfujing it's pretty fuckin annoying how many of them hit on you. But if that's a price to pay for having pussy available again, maybe it's not so bad....

Tankuki

Linkhainan
10-18-08, 18:54
Taire,

I believe you are seasoned monger.

The price, RMB300 to girl and aother RMB300 to Mamasan, is the general price in each places. But, as I mentioned in my previous thread, if you want to take-away for one shot or whole night, you should consult with Mamasan. Ususally, it's RMB500 per shot and 800-1000 whole night.

I could not comfirm your uncertainty either. For my experience, you need to use "some tricks" on the girl so that she will volunteer to cut down some price or even for free next time. For a very simply example, if you leave the girl good impression, pretending you are one of her friend, visiting her for one or two times, honor your promise to her, etc, you will get the opportunity. I got such experience as they cut some price down or even for free.

Regarding the website you mentioned, right, there are some famous forums in Chinese like this one. The members on it provide more detailed story and the places where is strongly recommended or to be warned. If you like, I will help you find some info.


Seaj,

I sent you a pm with name of the hotel that has this KTV and the phone number of the mamasan, btw can anyone tell me how to attached pictures to a PM so I can send the scanned business card with map on it?

It seems there are quite a few of these places in town, a Chinese guy I know uses a Chinese site like this to look the places up, get reviews etc, and then we try them out. They are pretty friendly to foreigners but you need to speak some Chinese to really enjoy them I guess.

The brake down of the costs was RMB 300 tip per girl, another 300 for the mamason and the rest on drink. For that we had a couple of bottles of vodka (cheapish brand I think) and a load of cokes. We had the usual fruit platter for food that was about it. Still can't figure out why they insist on putting tomatoes on a fruit platter though! We were there about 2 or 3 hrs I guess. We all chipped in 600 to the guy organising it and he covered the payments (including tips). Between 4 of us I guess it worked out to under RMB2500 total for the night.

They can book the rooms upstairs for you for a short time if you want and the price you can negoiate with the girl. One of my Chinese buddies was quoted 500 short time for the girl the first time we went. He did tell me that they also have this thing where if you ask for the same girl three times there she will give you short time for free, although never checked this out myself, so I can't confirm one way or the other. Personally I like to change girls each time.

Hope that helps.

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Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 03:28
I alway found Zaya very tempting but something always gets in the way. Usually another mongolian: .
If you are talking about friday night...............I think it was Billy who got in your way this time mate.

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 03:31
though she seems to like to be called Julie now. :p
Is that the same Julie I was talking to in the Pig Saturday night?

The Tanuki
10-19-08, 03:40
Is that the same Julie I was talking to in the Pig Saturday night?
Hard to say, since I was out of commission last night and stayed in. But she was headed out there around 9:00 or so. Somewhat on the tall side, very slim and hair about halfway down her back...

Tankuki

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 04:15
Hard to say, since I was out of commission last night and stayed in. But she was headed out there around 9:00 or so. Somewhat on the tall side, very slim and hair about halfway down her back...

TankukiThats her - had a quick chat - did not even get down to negotiations - figured it was going to be to hard.

Her mate quoted another guy I was chattng to RMB2,500 all nght - yeah right - any wonder the girls are going home alone so many nights.

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 04:22
After Maggies closed I stated on this site I would NOT return to Beijing UNLESS Maggies was open again.

Due to business committments I had to come back to Bejing this weekend.

After 2 days - I am still of same state of mind.

You take Maggies out of Beijing - then you take Beijing out of the equation.

A the moment FAR LESS w.h.o.r.e.s than before - and they are asking INCREASED prices.

The Pig is a poor substitute - you would think the silly fuckers running it would at least get the beer cold. I was quoted RMB1,500 for 1 shot from a plain Mongolian - RMB2,500 all night was touted by another - dream on girls.

Hard Rock had 5 or 6 Chinese working grls in there last night at 11.30pm.

The Den had a sprinkling of Chinese and a few OLDER worn out Monglians and a couple of oversized Mongolian heifers. Chinese Chi Chi i still working The Den - quoted me RMB1,600 all night - WTF - Chi Chi when I first took you from Hard Rock I paid you RMB600 all night - just another indication of current Beijing pricing

I went to Swing Bar - not a Mongolian in sight.

Conclusion - in future for Billy - NO Maggies = NO VISIT Beijing.

Zhuren
10-19-08, 05:38
You covered all the venues. And it's bad. On the pricing: When you use your old phonelist and do business with the girls you know (and possible their new room mates) prices are still the same as pre-olympics. But girls complain about a lack of turnover and some try to make it up with higher prices.






The Pig is a poor substitute - you would think the silly fuckers running it would at least get the beer cold. I was quoted RMB1,500 for 1 shot from a plain Mongolian - RMB2,500 all night was touted by another - dream on girls.

Hard Rock had 5 or 6 Chinese working grls in there last night at 11.30pm.

The Den had a sprinkling of Chinese and a few OLDER worn out Monglians and a couple of oversized Mongolian heifers. Chinese Chi Chi i still working The Den - quoted me RMB1,600 all night - WTF - Chi Chi when I first took you from Hard Rock I paid you RMB600 all night - just another indication of current Beijing pricing

I went to Swing Bar - not a Mongolian in sight.

.

The Tanuki
10-19-08, 07:12
Thats her - had a quick chat - did not even get down to negotiations - figured it was going to be to hard.

Her mate quoted another guy I was chattng to RMB2,500 all nght - yeah right - any wonder the girls are going home alone so many nights.
Well, she's the only one I've hit on this trip, and since I new her from M's in the past, she's happy to stay all night for 1200 and really wear me out at the same time. That combination works for me so I haven't shopped around.


The Den had a sprinkling of Chinese and a few OLDER worn out Monglians and a couple of oversized Mongolian heifers. Chinese Chi Chi i still working The Den - quoted me RMB1,600 all night - WTF - Chi Chi when I first took you from Hard Rock I paid you RMB600 all night - just another indication of current Beijing pricing.
Yea, saw those vampires at the Den myself a few nights ago. They'd require some HEAVY prescription beer goggles to take them home. Gawd.

Anyhow, to add on to Zhuren's comments, one thing is they're hungry, so it's just different.

Taire Beijing
10-19-08, 07:39
If you are talking about friday night...............I think it was Billy who got in your way this time mate.Yes, she did seem to disappear for an hour or so between the pig and the salsa club, wondered if she had popped off to 'meet a friend' for a short time. Met up with her in in salsa carribean again a little later and then left her there around 2.30am, was planning on leaving an hour before then but was hard to leave for some reason or other :)

As an aside one of her friends ended up going home with a guy i know in town for business, but she seemed to be getting more emotional/moody as the evening was getting on, in the end he told me he just let her go as he did not feel like playing nurse maid in his hotel room just so he could hit it. Don't remember her name, she was the third girl with Zaya and Tuya. I have pointed out to him thats the downside of buying to many drinks for them.

BBB, any feedback on whether Zaya is worth a call this week? would hate to be disappointed if the performace does not meet the level of the packaging.

Taire Beijing
10-19-08, 07:47
Just planning my 'schedule' for my 10 days of freedom and was wondering if anyone has been to hollywood lately? thinking of trying to put together a mongolia/russian sandwich :)

I was there a couple of weeks ago but the place was pretty much empty on the girl front, more closely resembled a sausage factory the number of guys hanging around on the off chance of a bit of skirt, the barman said that he thought it would pick up in a couple of weeks, I think someone else posted they had a similar experiance. Just wondered if anyone knew if the pickings there are getting better?

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 08:12
When you use your old phonelist and do business with the girls you know (and possible their new room mates) prices are still the same as pre-olympics.100% correct.

In town 2 days - just waitng for my fourth girl to arrive.

BUT

Already 3 repeats - thats not my cup of tea.

To chase all over BJ trying to find miss right is just a pain in the arse.

Clarly Julie was the best girl I saw last nght - but her ugly friend was quoting RMB2,500 so i did not even bother to inquire.

What they do not understand is that possibly - POSSIBLY - Maggies will never re-open - what they have now may be as good as the future gets.

Disaster for everybody - the Mongolian herd migration as we know it MAY be a thing of the past.

MAY NOT be either - but I will not be waiting to see - greener fields beckon.

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 08:17
You covered all the venues.Actualy I didn't mate.

Saw O** in The Den at 2am - she was amazed I was dateless - asked did I go to Bar One and to China Doll.

For fucks sake - how many bars does a guy need to visit to find somebody fuckable?

In hindsight my mistake was no taking a 'first nghter' in The Den - 21yo cracking body but plain face - in past times you would walk straght past her at Maggies.

Worm
10-19-08, 09:11
You can also guess BIG Brother and LE read ISG. It is getting harder and harder to access ISG in China.

One suggestion is having to pay to get into some parts of ISG ( ie photos ). On a different website I visited, you can post and read reports for free but have to register. To see pictures and for other options, you have to pay ( register might be OK ). Now on ISG anyone can read, and see pictures free and do NOT have to register. Registration will make it harder for Big Brother, LE and girls to get access to information. A bad note, if ISG requested everyone to pay for membership I believe most of the old timers will not join like me. If my suggestion is not clear I am sorry because I'm not a great writer.

Humm. it seems like some of pages are cached on my computer.

If you are in China, you really need VPN service. It makes all those problems go away. Cost is about $4.95 per month. Search on google to find it. Go trusted.

OldAsiaHand
10-19-08, 10:09
Conclusion - in future for Billy - NO Maggies = NO VISIT Beijing.

My next trip to Beijing is slated for end of November. I pray everyday that Maggies will be open before then.

What is the current status of Hollywood and Absynthe?

OAH

Bad Boy Billy
10-19-08, 11:37
What is the current status of Hollywood and Absynthe?
OAHNo Ruskies back in Hollywood.

At the time of the clamp down - literally 100's of Russian girls were all found to have overstayed visas.

They put them all in the klink - sent them hme - yet to return. Mongols only in Hollywood (Info supplied by 1 of the Mongol girls working there)

Did not check Absent - no Ruskies - no Absent

Zhuren
10-19-08, 12:50
No Ruskies back in Hollywood.

At the time of the clamp down - literally 100's of Russian girls were all found to have overstayed visas.

They put them all in the klink - sent them home - yet to return.

According to the usually reliable sources, most girls that were picked up on visa violations, or even for not registering, are prohibited from entering China for 5 years. Several girls that were detained during the infamous pool tournament at Cafe Del Mar were turned around at immigration. The old trick of getting a new passport doesn't work anymore - the new computer system is now quite efficient. Those who yearn for blondes (why did you come to China in the first place?) must go to Vladivostok.

Zhuren
10-19-08, 12:59
Bar 1 and China Doll don't rate on my list. You should have gone earlier to the Den. We took Am*** and her new room-mate there (and left them behind to work the bar.) The room-mate is young and fresh and cute. Both can be had at pre-Olympics standard prices.



Actualy I didn't mate.

Saw O** in The Den at 2am - she was amazed I was dateless - asked did I go to Bar One and to China Doll.

For fucks sake - how many bars does a guy need to visit to find somebody fuckable?

In hindsight my mistake was no taking a 'first nghter' in The Den - 21yo cracking body but plain face - in past times you would walk straght past her at Maggies.

Bad Boy Billy
10-20-08, 02:05
We took Am*** and her new room-mate there...........................The room-mate is young and fresh and cute. Both can be had at pre-Olympics standard prices.That is exactly the point I was making mate.......................we are now in a situation in Beijing where you goota go girl hunting to multiple bars and hopefully there will be 2, 3 or 4 girls in each.

Nah Beijing was never meant to be like this.

Bad Boy Billy
10-20-08, 02:16
The ISG gods must have read Billy's hissy fit rant below.

Last night went back The Den - you guys who were there Friday night remember that tall stunner with the cracking body tha Billy was settng up for a Saturday rendezvous?

I was alreay committed to Zaya Frida night.

So 23yo 173cm T**T** sashays in about 10.30pm - damn that body is spectacular.

Billy has her in the cab heading to The Den for a night cap within 10 minutes.

Am*** and her room mate there again partying with a group.

T**T** has been in town 1 month - student - actually has a sister livng in Australia - damn Billy is head over heels in love.

Looks - 8+
Body - 9 (as hard as a rock)
Performance - 9 (no pics - but says she will email me naked pics and I can take my own next time wth her)
Overall performance - 9*
Will I repeat - you just try and keep me away.

Monomi
10-20-08, 15:52
Just an FYI for any BBS fans out there in ISG land. Lido massage places are all terrible, I’ve tried most of them. The only one I’ve found that’s good is just off Jiuxianqiao Lu. Come north up Liangmahe Lu from Yansha Qiao (hooker alley), cross the fourth ring, keep going about 100 meters (there’s a gaudy sauna on your right called Mingzhu), hang a right into a little side street that runs into the parking lot of a rather exclusive xiaoqu. Halfway down on the right is the BBS. The chicks that work there have skillz, but they are all dogs, unfortunately, all except Linzi from Hunan. She rates about 7.5 with an excellent rack and a decent, can-do attitude. There’s no FS at all, but everything else and there are beds so you can stretch out a bit—always helps. I recommend getting her oiled up for a TF for RMB200.

Simbad99
10-20-08, 16:44
Back to Shanghai and I just would like to report on my experience picking a Mongolian at the Pig on Friday night

First of all, I want to thank the BJ members for their hospitality, and Billy as well for providing so wise advice.

The selection of Mongolians was not that large neither qualitative, compared to good old times at M. but you all know that already.

I picked quite early Atku (? not sure of the spelling) after bargaining 1 300 LT from initial quote of 2 000. She was the lady with a flashy silver headband seating on her own at the bar. She said she is back from HKG since few weeks.

We moved first to a disco next to Babyface (I forgot the name) and she is indeed an inspired dancer.

Unfortunately I don't recognize her same talent later in bed.

Not bad experience, but nothing mind blowing.

I would not recommend her to fellow mongers.

Hope the offer will improve soon, otherwise I will hesitate 2 times before moving to BJ for the only purpose of Mongolians' service

Simbad

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The Tanuki
10-20-08, 18:04
T**T** has been in town 1 month - student - actually has a sister livng in Australia - damn Billy is head over heels in love.

OMFG, BBB said the L word! I think someone has confused an orgasm with actual human bonding. Well, the morning hangover will fix that... LOL



Looks - 8+
Body - 9 (as hard as a rock)
Performance - 9 (no pics - but says she will email me naked pics and I can take my own next time wth her)
Overall performance - 9*
Will I repeat - you just try and keep me away.
Don't have any naked pics of her, eh? Want some?? :eek:

Hey, glad you found some at last!

Tankuki

Maddog40
10-20-08, 21:11
Hey guys,

Although I spend more time in Shanghai, I read the Beijing board and am going to be in Beijing the first week of November.

My question is what is so good about Mongolians? There are so many posts about them but not so much with details about why guys go crazy for them. It seems their price is much higher as they seem to think they are hot stuff.

Reading about Maggies, The Pig, Mongolians leaving Beijing during Olympics etc. seems to be quite a stir. Please enlighten me on why there is such attention on this group.

Thanks,
MD40

Bad Boy Billy
10-20-08, 22:31
My question is what is so good about Mongolians?Go try one - you will soon work it out

The Tanuki
10-21-08, 02:14
Go try one - you will soon work it out
Or better yet, she will work it out for you... :p



It seems their price is much higher as they seem to think they are hot stuff.
Right now the pricing is really AFU. First-timers are probably going to get pissed off coming up here and looking around at the situation, especially you guys from other locations in China where the P4P is cheaper. My take on girls who think they are "hot stuff" is that's worse with the Russians than the Mongolians.

I got the benefits of dumb luck by running into a girl that I already knew from last winter/spring. This allowed me to have her company at the old rate of 1200 RMB. Billy was seeing girls asking for 2500, so it's a weird time I guess. Considering that the girls just recently became available again, it could be just some volatile market conditions prevailing. Once a quality venue gets set up again, hopefully this will calm things down. If not, I'll just stick with the girls I know and try to meet a couple of their friends for the future...

Tankuki

Bnlee2
10-21-08, 05:24
Go try one - you will soon work it outI ask that same question to a senior ISGer and went out to try one.

I guess that there is not much to do in the 'grassland' of Mongolia after 7PM with no tv outside of watching the livestocks. With still most of the night ahead of you, these mongolian has perfected the art of fucking their partners to another dimension. I find that they honed their skills to perfection. I will just leave it at that. This is definitely one of the things you must experience in life.

Just my pov

Cooler Wolf2
10-21-08, 05:34
Can anyone advise on whether Kuntai Royal Hotel in Chaoyang is GF or have info on reliability of in-house service? Yes - searched and nothing to be found.

Will get into BJ pretty late tomorrow and only for one night otherwise I would have enjoyed going the hunt with one or two of more 'infamous' characters on the boards....

I reckon the Mongolians were making it too easy on one or two of you up there - maybe going back to the 'old ways' a little, will make you appreciate the hunt again....

Perhaps we all need to buy bicycles like Mr. Wang?

Zhuren
10-21-08, 11:26
My question is what is so good about Mongolians?

Don't want to generalize, so feel free to add a "usually" in front of the following statements:

- They speak English

- They have tits

- They have education

- They won't call you or your wife all day & night

- They provide much better GFE

- They don't spit on the floor

The Tanuki
10-21-08, 13:56
Can anyone advise on whether Kuntai Royal Hotel in Chaoyang is GF or have info on reliability of in-house service? Yes - searched and nothing to be found.
Just had dinner last night at the RockPot which is in the Kuntai complex, and my local friend said celebrities tend to hang out at the Kuntai and the bar up on the 5th floor. Don't know what that does to the GF potential in BJ, but if you wear sunglasses at night maybe they'll just think you're a star.... :)

In-house service is premium price. Venture out to find girls somewhere in town. The touts can be pretty aggressive on the streets these days, so watch out though.

Tankuki, waiting to get back to BJ again...

The Tanuki
10-21-08, 14:58
Don't want to generalize, so feel free to add a "usually" in front of the following statements:

- They speak English

- They have tits

- They have education

- They won't call you or your wife all day & night

- They provide much better GFE

- They don't spit on the floor

I might add a little for the mix:

- They shave their muffs or at least keep them very nicely trimmed

- Treat them well and just watch what they'll do for you!

OldAsiaHand
10-21-08, 15:32
- They don't spit on the floor

Priceless!

P.S. - They don't trash the bathroom

Meiguoguizi
10-21-08, 15:46
Priceless!

P.S. - They don't trash the bathroom

they kiss. enthusiastically.

FernandoAlonso
10-21-08, 20:33
they kiss. enthusiastically.Some of them only do this and speak almost no english or even Chinese.

Yes, some of them may be outstanding, but there are millions of Chinese gals in Beijing and how many Ms, who still have to prove their sup[erior pricing to me. (and I am very willing to experiment.)

FA

Maddog40
10-21-08, 21:02
Thanks for your comments thus far, I am getting a picture of why the talk about them. Would you say it would apply to nearly all Mongolians? Why do you think they are this way as a group?

Thanks again for your comments.

MD40

The Tanuki
10-22-08, 01:04
Thanks for your comments thus far, I am getting a picture of why the talk about them. Would you say it would apply to nearly all Mongolians? Why do you think they are this way as a group?

Thanks again for your comments.

MD40
The Mongolian women have a severe addiction to the "whackamole" game. Unfortunately, with the economy in bad shape there, it's difficult to afford them. So the girls are driven to whack whatever sticks up. In this case, it's our erections, and they don't have hammers, so they use their bodies in any which way possible to eliminate the bulges. It works very well....

Tankuki

Sebastian My
10-22-08, 06:37
According to the usually reliable sources, most girls that were picked up on visa violations, or even for not registering, are prohibited from entering China for 5 years. Several girls that were detained during the infamous pool tournament at Cafe Del Mar were turned around at immigration. The old trick of getting a new passport doesn't work anymore - the new computer system is now quite efficient. Those who yearn for blondes (why did you come to China in the first place?) must go to Vladivostok.

For those interested its still very hard to get any visa for china from Russia - and impossible if your are from uzbekistan ( where most of the girsl from hollywood come from). The aeroflot flights from moscow are filling up, but very slowly and most of the passengers are tourists or here for business (of a non bodily fluid exchange type) I would suggest you will need to wait a few more months for things to get back to some level of normality.

Bad Boy Billy
10-22-08, 10:44
For those interested its still very hard to get any visa for china from Russia - and impossible if your are from uzbekistan................................ I would suggest you will need to wait a few more months for things to get back to some level of normality.This is amazing given the penchant for blondies by Chinese.

It might just take 'the word' from some high ranking official who is missing his 'blonde fix' to chnge all this.

BrightBlue
10-22-08, 10:55
If you are in China, you really need VPN service. It makes all those problems go away. Cost is about $4.95 per month. Search on google to find it. Go trusted.Save your money for the better things in life, mate. (Even though I doubt that you will get much of these things in Beijing for just 5 USD.

You can use any of the free web proxies, with most of them even PM will work. No installation required, just go ahead and browse through one of these countless sites. Try and google.

Beijing Fox
10-22-08, 14:02
To be honest I don't understand why so many guys are so crazy about those Mongolian girls.

They are just some country girls from a third world place - compared to the sophisticated Chinese ladies.Their pussies smell too much of soap, because they even wash them and their tits are too big, They do unhygenic and filthy things like BBBJs. Then, they speak this strange language which nobody can understand. Their minds are too simple and not as delicate as our Chinese princesses. I never can get used to their black hair. Why don't they give it the dirty-brown look, now fashionable in Beijing?

Yes, I don't understand all this rave about the Mongolians.


Thanks for your comments thus far, I am getting a picture of why the talk about them. Would you say it would apply to nearly all Mongolians? Why do you think they are this way as a group?

Thanks again for your comments.

MD40

Mr Handjob
10-22-08, 19:59
Hi There,

I am planning to visit Beijing soon. Want to go for some "In room Massage". I have seen some nice girls at Craigslist and Expats communities. Have anyone some experiense to share? Whats hot whats not?

There is this girl Susan that seems very good, anyone have any experience from here?

Is Maggies still closed? If so whats the alternative? Is there still Freelancers outside Traders and along that avenue down to Silkstreet?

If you have some good phonenumbers I am very interested. Not willing to pay more then 400 RMB for 90 minutes incl what we all love.

Andreas Wang
10-23-08, 03:04
Perhaps we all need to buy bicycles like Mr. Wang?
What for please? Jin's place is within walking distance of the Kuntai Hotel.

Or did you want to go to the Hujialou Barbershops? Then take any of the public busses in front of the Kuntai and drive East if you don't like to walk the one or two station it takes.

No need to buy anything with bike rental now pretty much everywhere possible in downtown Beijing: http://www.bjbr.cn/wd/wd.htm

FernandoAlonso
10-23-08, 08:04
Hi There,

I am planning to visit Beijing soon. Want to go for some "In room Massage". I have seen some nice girls at Craigslist and Expats communities. Have anyone some experiense to share? Whats hot whats not?

There is this girl Susan that seems very good, anyone have any experience from here?

Is Maggies still closed? If so whats the alternative? Is there still Freelancers outside Traders and along that avenue down to Silkstreet?

If you have some good phonenumbers I am very interested. Not willing to pay more then 400 RMB for 90 minutes incl what we all love.2 words

RTFF and

SEARCH

South Gate
10-23-08, 17:28
I spent a delightful evening chatting and touring brothels with an extremely pleasant shuai ge, named Alexander. We finished the tour at Miss Jin's BBS at Yabao Lu. Alex went home and Miss Jin took me to her flat. This Cleapatra good looker turns into a tiger when her erogeneous zone trigger points are turned on. I dont remember the last time my orgasm was so prolonged. She just rocks and rolls her pelvis and squeezes out every last drop. If I have time, you may find me there tomorrow.

Mr Handjob
10-23-08, 17:50
2 words

RTFF and

SEARCHDont you think that I did that first? There is no match for Susan, history is irrelevant regarding Maggies I want to know if it is open now...

Regarding "In room Massage" there are very few hits for a forum this big thats why I activate the topic again.

Do your homework before you tell people how to handle forums like this, Stupid!!

Lao Ma
10-23-08, 19:11
Your first post you completely made an ass of yourself by asking very, very basic questions, all or most of which that can be answered by going back and reading this forum. Why don't you just take it the final mile and ask someone to arrange girls to come to you - you can just lay back and relax.

Then your second post is to slap down a senior member and call him "stupid".

Good luck on your continued charm offensive; I'm sure you'll do fine. Cripes

Hendrik
10-23-08, 19:32
There is this girl Susan that seems very good, anyone have any experience from here? I had her once for 400 RMB for oil massage incl. Prostate massage and HJ. The photo on her web-site (which seems to be down at the moment) is a fake and she is anything else but good-looking. Otherwise I was satisfied with her, as she clearly made efforts to satisfy me and delivered a good job. She undressed up to her panties during the massage, but I doubt that she will go any further (or that you would want it)

She speaks decent English and was able to maintain a conversation. She works in a jewelry shop during the day and provides massages services only in her free time. She reacted promptly to my SMS and arrived in time at my hotel room. Would I take her again? Hmmh. Maybe, as she seemed reliable and I don't care about the looks when receiving a massage, but she was certainly nothing special.

Zhuren
10-23-08, 19:49
Priceless!

P.S. - They don't trash the bathroom

Jeez. Some I know even make the bed afterwards.

Zhuren
10-23-08, 19:53
Good luck on your continued charm offensive; I'm sure you'll do fine. Cripes

Come on, at least he picked an appropriate nick. He'll be doing that a lot.

And if he thinks of the Susan I know .... he can't afford her.

What's "In Room Massage" anyway? The opposite of "massage at Tianamen?"

Hendrik
10-23-08, 21:18
After previously expressing concerns, that the attitudes of some of our favorite providers in Beijing were going down, I am happy to report that the situation seems to be improving again. I went to the Lido bar yesterday to pick up a Mongolian. I was immediately approached by an aggressive Mongolian, who kept on telling me for the next 5 minutes, how handsome I was and how much she wanted me. She would also offer me a special discount of 2000 RMB for LT instead of 2500 RMB. I laughed at her and mentioned, that not too long ago, the standard rate used to be 800 for LT. She yelled "800! You are insulting me", told it to the Mongolians around her and ran off. I did not mind at all, as she was absolutely not my type and way too aggressive.

I was then approached by a nice-looking Mongolian, who spoke decent English. She was more of a quiet type, but very nice and able to hold up an intelligent conversation. Having learned the lessons from my last time, I told her upfront, that I am not willing to pay more than 1200 RMB for LT and expect her to stay at least a few hours. "OK, no problem for me, I also don't like to rush". We first went to the Swing bar for some more drinks and then went back to my hotel, where we had the type of GFE that I was used to from the good old Maggies time. She considered going home after a few hours, but decided to stay, when I told her that I did not have to get up early the following day. In the morning, we had another round and she left leaving me her number for next time.

Good old Beijing, it's fun to have you back even if St. Maggies remains still closed. I can only hope that other fellows resist paying the crazy prices, that some of the girls ask for, so that these things go back to normal, too. And once my favorite girl is coming back from UB, I will be in heaven again.

The Tanuki
10-23-08, 23:29
Dont you think that I did that first? There is no match for Susan, history is irrelevant regarding Maggies I want to know if it is open now...

Regarding "In room Massage" there are very few hits for a forum this big thats why I activate the topic again.

Do your homework before you tell people how to handle forums like this, Stupid!!
Why would you think that "Susan" gets a match in the first place? It's craigslist fer chrissake and NOBODY uses a real name so get over it! Most of those ads are for a couple of girls just trolling. Perfect for you.

There are discussions about massage in hotels. Figure out how to search.

Be a little nicer and you might start to get what you're asking for. With that attitude you'll be pulling your own the whole time because the ladies will avoid jerks like the plague they are...

Andreas Wang
10-24-08, 05:31
... chatting and touring ... Yabao Lu ... Jin ... may find me there tomorrow.
Oh, and that was the whole story, huh?

If I recall right you picked up phone numbers in two other places too. And who knows where else you went after I left. How about you tell the audience about Miss Pan at the Crown Plaza or Seven o'Clock at the Eight Alleys?

Because if you do then I don't have to. ;)


"massage at Tianamen?"
Kinky. I love uniforms.

Cooler Wolf2
10-24-08, 07:46
What for please? Jin's place is within walking distance of the Kuntai Hotel.


Andreas,
Not to worry.
I was only teasing some of the regulars (who miss the Mongolians) that they seem to have forgotten that going on 'the hunt' can be good fun.

The comment about you & your bike was, in effect, a compliment to your ver y effective way of covering the ground and providing such good info to us here on the board.

FernandoAlonso
10-24-08, 07:46
Do your homework before you tell people how to handle forums like this, Stupid!!Guess who did his homework and who not, I find all the questions you have by searching. So who is [Non-English text deleted by Admin] here.

FA

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OldAsiaHand
10-24-08, 10:53
Dont you think that I did that first? There is no match for Susan, history is irrelevant regarding Maggies I want to know if it is open now...

Regarding "In room Massage" there are very few hits for a forum this big thats why I activate the topic again.

Do your homework before you tell people how to handle forums like this, Stupid!!

Mr Handjob,

If you had actually read the forum, you would not ask if Maggie's is open. This is because there are numerous posts on pricing that indicate that Maggie's girls are over your budget of 400 RMB for 90 minutes.

Just my POV.

OAH

Whomer
10-24-08, 17:33
I tried to make my homework, because I'm just on my way to Beijiing for a 2 week stay.

The BJ forum is wonderful, there is a pot of information and opinions, well done, structured, just perfect. I was always possible to exploit ISG in a way to find my access to the scene at the place I stayed. But Asia is a special region (also in ISG). And I would like to thank all of the people who opened the easy way in for me during the last years. In the BJ forum I found famous people who contributed so many reports during the last years in a couple of ISG forums. I would like to express my respect for these contributions and your patience with newbies like I was (and maybe I'm today). I followed the trace of OAH, FE and many others of you during the last years in HK, Macau, SZ and other places.

Nevertheless I wasn't able to try the famous spots when I was the last 4 times in BJ because I brought always a girl with me from HK. But this time I hope that I can get jump into the scene.

I will stay a few nights at Beijing Place hotel booked by my Chinese partner and will then move to an appartment.

I would be more than happy to meet one or more of the famous and wonderful BJ ISG people.

Cheers

Whomer

PS: If you organize a bike trip again please let me know. I will pay for the gas......

Beijing Fox
10-25-08, 06:11
Hendrik is correct. Price is always a result of demand and supply. Once you're in a room /bar with more suppliers (Mongolians) than potential punters, the price has to come down.
But, please be aware , they are poorer than you. And how much does the difference of RMB800 mean to you, while it may be the price to buy a sweater for her boy to keep him warm on his way to school on a cold Mongolian winter morning.

No wrong emotions lost here, but please give money with the same attitude as she gives herself.

Mr. Hedrik, did you pay her more than agreed, because she stayed longer and gave more than agreed?


QUOTE=Hendrik]After previously expressing concerns, that the attitudes of some of our favorite providers in Beijing were going down, I am happy to report that the situation seems to be improving again. I went to the Lido bar yesterday to pick up a Mongolian. I was immediately approached by an aggressive Mongolian, who kept on telling me for the next 5 minutes, how handsome I was and how much she wanted me. She would also offer me a special discount of 2000 RMB for LT instead of 2500 RMB. I laughed at her and mentioned, that not too long ago, the standard rate used to be 800 for LT. She yelled "800! You are insulting me", told it to the Mongolians around her and ran off. I did not mind at all, as she was absolutely not my type and way too aggressive.

I was then approached by a nice-looking Mongolian, who spoke decent English. She was more of a quiet type, but very nice and able to hold up an intelligent conversation. Having learned the lessons from my last time, I told her upfront, that I am not willing to pay more than 1200 RMB for LT and expect her to stay at least a few hours. "OK, no problem for me, I also don't like to rush". We first went to the Swing bar for some more drinks and then went back to my hotel, where we had the type of GFE that I was used to from the good old Maggies time. She considered going home after a few hours, but decided to stay, when I told her that I did not have to get up early the following day. In the morning, we had another round and she left leaving me her number for next time.

Good old Beijing, it's fun to have you back even if St. Maggies remains still closed. I can only hope that other fellows resist paying the crazy prices, that some of the girls ask for, so that these things go back to normal, too. And once my favorite girl is coming back from UB, I will be in heaven again.[/QUOTE]

OldAsiaHand
10-25-08, 07:21
Hendrik is correct. Price is always a result of demand and supply. Once you're in a room /bar with more suppliers (Mongolians) than potential punters, the price has to come down.
But, please be aware , they are poorer than you. And how much does the difference of RMB800 mean to you, while it may be the price to buy a sweater for her boy to keep him warm on his way to school on a cold Mongolian winter morning.

No wrong emotions lost here, but please give money with the same attitude as she gives herself.

Mr. Hedrik, did you pay her more than agreed, because she stayed longer and gave more than agreed?


Beijing Fox:

"I gave at the office". If I was to feel sorry and give every provider more money because she was poor, I would be poor. In most cases, if they were not poor, they would not be on the game.

I am sorry if I sound so practical, but I never forget that it is a commercial transaction. Do you give a taxi driver more money than the meter fare because he is poor? His kids could use a warm sweater too.

Tipping afterwards is another matter in gratitude for extraordinary service, extended time, etc. as long as it is within the realms of reasonability.

Just my POV.

OAH

Santa
10-25-08, 07:54
I am sorry if I sound so practical, but I never forget that it is a commercial transaction. Do you give a taxi driver more money than the meter fare because he is poor? His kids could use a warm sweater too.


OAH

Yes, but, you know I agree, but.........it's not really the same, because you become "intimately" involved with a prostitute, if she is nice, even though it's just a "commercial transaction" and she is just a "service provider".

I never kiss the taxi driver when I leave the taxi.

The Tanuki
10-25-08, 08:42
Yes, but, you know I agree, but.........it's not really the same, because you become "intimately" involved with a prostitute, if she is nice, even though it's just a "commercial transaction" and she is just a "service provider".

I never kiss the taxi driver when I leave the taxi.
I wouldn't kiss the taxi driver either, BUT they never look like the babe next to me in the back seat either. If he did, I'd be thinking about it!! Haven't seen one yet though. Let us know if you do. Woo Hoo!

Tankuki

Hendrik
10-25-08, 10:14
But, please be aware , they are poorer than you. And how much does the difference of RMB800 mean to you, while it may be the price to buy a sweater for her boy to keep him warm on his way to school on a cold Mongolian winter morning. ...

Mr. Hedrik, did you pay her more than agreed, because she stayed longer and gave more than agreed? Yes, she got a tip for good service, but certainly in relation to the agreed price of 1200 RMB.

And I know exactly what you mean, as I love Mongolia and its people, traveled the country several times and have friends there. It also breaks my heart to see how this country with its great history and culture and with all its natural resources is currently struggling over corruption and a lack of vision and hope. And I think I have seen enough to also know about the daily struggles and constant worries about money and tried to help, wherever I could within my limits.

On the other hand, I do think that you should not give money without receiving some kind of service or good in return (and be it only a gesture), such that people do not get used to receiving money for free. And I also think that the money should be in relation with the service and what I am willing to pay elsewhere for it. My reference to the 800 RMB for LT referred to the standard price at Maggies 3-4 years ago (but who am I telling this). I have always tipped the girls, if they provided good service, and have accepted that the standard price has increased over the last years above the inflation rate.

But I think that there should be limits, and I will always laugh a Mongolian in her face, when she is telling me bullshit about a special discount of 2000 RMB just for being the most handsome man in the bar. Call me romantic, but I miss the times, when you could walk away from Maggies without even negotiating the price beforehand. And I have always loved the Mongolians for not asking for the money beforehand and for not counting it upon receipt.

My current reference system is 800-1000 and 1200 RMB for ST and LT, respectively. I am very interested to learn what you are paying if you consider these prices unfair.

Zhuren
10-25-08, 11:01
I went to the Lido bar yesterday to pick up a Mongolian. I was immediately approached by an aggressive Mongolian, who kept on telling me for the next 5 minutes, how handsome I was and how much she wanted me. She would also offer me a special discount of 2000 RMB for LT instead of 2500 RMB. I laughed at her and mentioned, that not too long ago, the standard rate used to be 800 for LT. She yelled "800! You are insulting me", told it to the Mongolians around her and ran off.

When, pray tell, was there a standard rate of 800 for LT? In the good old days, when $100 bought 800 RMB, the rack rate for go to the hotel with you, do it, have a shower, and head back to M's to pick up an inebriated tourist indeed was 800. That's not what I call LT. Later, with the depreciation of the no longer almighty dollar, that rate went to 100 Euro, which was about RMB 1000. Now, that rate still stands at RMB 1000. But for me, "LT" either means "Light Truck" or stay with me the whole night, have a leisurly coffee etc. For that, I always paid double. Unless a "ST" vixen, hired at 3am, was so inebriated that she fell asleep and an involuntary LT ensued. I still gave her more if she was good.

I know, BJ Fox has a soft heart. So do I. I pay a little extra when service is good. Might be a waste of money. But overall, it gets you a special place in the heart of many maidens, just like a nice tip ensures you of a nice table next time in a crowded restaurant. During the long dry spell, that extra investment brought big dividends. I didn't need Maggies (where they overcharged me on drinks anyway.) I just could work my phone list. Old standbys brought new arrivals.

Fox is right: If you like her, give a little more. They usually have kids at home who need food and clothing. Some support whole families. What's 200 more for an expat? The price of a short taxi ride back home. Give, and ye might be taklen advantage of. But in the long run, give and ye shall receive.

South Gate
10-25-08, 16:23
To answer your post quoted below, yes there are plenty of details to tell about my tour of Beijing with the helpful Andreas.

We started the tour at the Crowne Plaza where we met Ms. Luo (not Pan). She was waiting outside the hotel offering pedestrians "massaggee". She gave us her number. Well, Andreas does not know this yet but yesterday, I was working in my hotel room and feeling a bit on the horny side so I gave her a call and she and I spent a pleasant hour together.

Then there was Ms. Fong who Andreas and I met in the Qianmen area. Andreas calls her seven oclock because thats the hour in the morning when she starts to work. Did not have time to visit her but she looks like fun. Then there were the barber shops not far from Ms Jin's place but that will also have to wait for a return visit to the city.

But best of all was Ms Jin. She is really a doll. If I could stay longer, I would make her a regular.

Thanks again Andreas

"If I recall right you picked up phone numbers in two other places too. And who knows where else you went after I left. How about you tell the audience about Miss Pan at the Crown Plaza or Seven o'Clock at the Eight Alleys?"

El Frances
10-25-08, 17:12
I had her once for 400 RMB for oil massage incl. Prostate massage and HJ. The photo on her web-site (which seems to be down at the moment) is a fake and she is anything else but good-looking. Otherwise I was satisfied with her, as she clearly made efforts to satisfy me and delivered a good job. She undressed up to her panties during the massage, but I doubt that she will go any further (or that you would want it)

She speaks decent English and was able to maintain a conversation. She works in a jewelry shop during the day and provides massages services only in her free time. She reacted promptly to my SMS and arrived in time at my hotel room. Would I take her again? Hmmh. Maybe, as she seemed reliable and I don't care about the looks when receiving a massage, but she was certainly nothing special.

I also tried this one one night I was so tired that I could not even think of moving my ass to fuck a girl, and I agree with you. Friendly girl, eager to please, but not good-looking. She made a kind of body massage with her breast, and finished with HJ. No problem to get her to take her panty off and to feel her up. She even asked me if I wanted to fuck (probably for not much more money). She also proposed to assist me if I needed any help for shopping etc...
Very nice girl, accomodating and not demanding. Too bad she's not pretty!

Santa
10-26-08, 07:46
I wouldn't kiss the taxi driver either,

Let us know if you do. Woo Hoo!

Tankuki

I'll have to try it, just for laughs. :D

OldAsiaHand
10-26-08, 08:21
Some of them only do this and speak almost no english or even Chinese.

Yes, some of them may be outstanding, but there are millions of Chinese gals in Beijing and how many Ms, who still have to prove their sup[erior pricing to me. (and I am very willing to experiment.)

FA

FA,

Although I love Mongolians as much as the next guy, I tend to agree that they are not a "value for money" alternative compared with Chinese girls.

For me, when I am in Beijing, they represent a pleasant diversion from my usual fare in South China.

Just my POV.

OAH

Taire Beijing
10-26-08, 12:34
Just thought that I would take a break from the unfettered joy of still being in the jing for a few more days before I head off to the wasteland that is London for two weeks to chip in on the Mongolian pricing debate.

Here I have to back up Zhuren. I have only been here for around 5 yrs, so I am a relative new comer compared to some of the senior members here. That said in all that time I cannot ever recall 800 for long time with a decent Mongolian unless she could already see the sun rising on the horizon and long time was in all probability going to mean the few hours left till the rest of the city got started on its daily grind.

Yes a lot of it is to do with how high on the quality scale the girl thinks she is, what time of night it is etc and possibly some of the older less attractive ones may have been prepared to go for that, personally they have never been my cup of tea so I cannot comment. For an attractive girl at anytime earlier than dawn you were always looking at 800 for a couple of hours and anything from 1200 to 1500 for all night. I'm an all night guy, and I always budgeted for 1500 even if I could probably have given 1200 without argument. My general experience is that most Mongolians put in enough effort to deserve a tip and besides I like all night to start before 10 or 11 if possible.

When picking up a Mongolian girl I am rarely given to discussing price before hand. I do like to have a chat / drink with the girl first and see what her personality is like. If the first thing she goes to is money I lose interest almost instantly, if they are in a rush then it's a bad sign for later. I like Mongolians for the GFE, if I get the impression it will be mechanical/transactional then I may as well save money and go for a local girl.

Even after the event when they leave I never hand them the cash openly in a transaction way. I always have the amount ready before hand and either put it in their pocket while giving them a hug or in their bag and tell them that it's something for them so they know I have done so. They never ask for money, but then I never let it get to a situation where they are forced to because I am being slow. I cannot recall once when the girl has taken it out and counted in front of me and I’m sure they prefer it to being open about the money side.

During the summer I have had to limit myself to the couple of girls I knew that are still in town, not having as extensive a collection of phone numbers as some senior members, but those I called are always happy enough to come over and the situation has not changed money wise. I get the impression that one of them is at the stage that I really don't need to pay, but I like to keep things in a manageable way with no pretenses that it will develop into a meaningful ‘relationship’.

For sake of comparison I used to see a Chinese girl occasionally who recently put her price up to RMB1500, and wait for it, this was …. PER HOUR!! This was from 800 per night a couple of years ago. She was always ok in the sack, but when she quotes per hour it takes away the GFE and I lose interest, I think I posted about her a while ago.

In shanghai a buddy was quoted RMB1000 for a Chinese girl in Tong Ren Lu a couple of weeks ago and the bar had the balls to ask for a 500 bar fine, I have never heard of a bar fine in China before, Thailand yes, China no. Going further south to HK and you are looking at HKD1000 for a flipper in Fenwick’s or Neptune at almost a minimum these days and the price quoted is often much higher to start with. Don’t get me wrong I like a flipper as much as the next guy, probably more than the next guy in most instances, but on average they really are not the same class of experience as a Mongolian.

I know bbs can be MUCH cheaper, but you cannot compare a Mongolian from M’s or Lido to a bbs girl any more than you can compare a 141 girl in HK to a pick up in Fenwick’s.

So to me the Mongolians are worth the extra, treat them well, and don’t treat it strictly as a transaction and they respond in kind. How they would respond if I spent 10 mins negotiating over RMB 100 I have no idea, but if I want to haggle over that amount of money I will go to the silk market or go to a bbs where I get transactional sex rather than a GFE. BBS and Mongolian's at Lido are different markets, Mac Donalds verses a real restaurant.

Just my 2 cents.

Anyway, luckily I will be having a 4 days stopover in Thailand on the way to London. Ahhhh.. Pattaya, a target rich environment, where the girls are all GFE, even the hottest go-go girl is cheaper than an average girl in China, 99% are shaven, and all I have to worry about is not falling in love :) Just thinking about it is making me horny. Time for one or two last Mongolians before Tuesday me thinks. Or you never know I may finally go for the chinese girl there with short hair and large breasts.. no idea of her name, but if i can get over my irrational fear of chinese girls having 'afro's' rather than being shaven it may happen

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Beijing Fox
10-26-08, 15:37
Mr Hendrik, please don't take my remark personally. It was more of a general remark and your post was just the 'opportunity' to get it out.



Yes, she got a tip for good service, but certainly in relation to the agreed price of 1200 RMB.

And I know exactly what you mean, as I love Mongolia and its people, traveled the country several times and have friends there. It also breaks my heart to see how this country with its great history and culture and with all its natural resources is currently struggling over corruption and a lack of vision and hope. And I think I have seen enough to also know about the daily struggles and constant worries about money and tried to help, wherever I could within my limits.

On the other hand, I do think that you should not give money without receiving some kind of service or good in return (and be it only a gesture), such that people do not get used to receiving money for free. And I also think that the money should be in relation with the service and what I am willing to pay elsewhere for it. My reference to the 800 RMB for LT referred to the standard price at Maggies 3-4 years ago (but who am I telling this). I have always tipped the girls, if they provided good service, and have accepted that the standard price has increased over the last years above the inflation rate.

But I think that there should be limits, and I will always laugh a Mongolian in her face, when she is telling me bullshit about a special discount of 2000 RMB just for being the most handsome man in the bar. Call me romantic, but I miss the times, when you could walk away from Maggies without even negotiating the price beforehand. And I have always loved the Mongolians for not asking for the money beforehand and for not counting it upon receipt.

My current reference system is 800-1000 and 1200 RMB for ST and LT, respectively. I am very interested to learn what you are paying if you consider these prices unfair.

Michi
10-26-08, 16:15
When, pray tell, was there a standard rate of 800 for LT? In the good old days, when $100 bought 800 RMB, the rack rate for go to the hotel with you, do it, have a shower, and head back to M's to pick up an inebriated tourist indeed was 800. That's not what I call LT. Later, with the depreciation of the no longer almighty dollar, that rate went to 100 Euro, which was about RMB 1000. Now, that rate still stands at RMB 1000. But for me, "LT" either means "Light Truck" or stay with me the whole night, have a leisurly coffee etc. For that, I always paid double. Unless a "ST" vixen, hired at 3am, was so inebriated that she fell asleep and an involuntary LT ensued. I still gave her more if she was good.

I know, BJ Fox has a soft heart. So do I. I pay a little extra when service is good. Might be a waste of money. But overall, it gets you a special place in the heart of many maidens, just like a nice tip ensures you of a nice table next time in a crowded restaurant. During the long dry spell, that extra investment brought big dividends. I didn't need Maggies (where they overcharged me on drinks anyway.) I just could work my phone list. Old standbys brought new arrivals.

Fox is right: If you like her, give a little more. They usually have kids at home who need food and clothing. Some support whole families. What's 200 more for an expat? The price of a short taxi ride back home. Give, and ye might be taklen advantage of. But in the long run, give and ye shall receive.Overcharged at maggies: did you also have that experience taht if you just went there, gave them your card and had a blast the bill came always out the samne amount regardless off the amount you drank?

Not blaming, I was stupid enough to give them my card that time, just still amazed.

Mike

Meiguoguizi
10-26-08, 16:53
FA,

Although I love Mongolians as much as the next guy, I tend to agree that they are not a "value for money" alternative compared with Chinese girls.

For me, when I am in Beijing, they represent a pleasant diversion from my usual fare in South China.

Just my POV.

OAH

I have a long-time Heilongjiang friend who was a bar worker in Dalian at 600 for overnight and she had to compete for work. Now in Beijing she works at a KTV where it's 400 to chat, 1500 for take-out.
I believe this is not only a response to cost of living... there are just more men with money, of all nationalities, in Beijing. And, for political reasons, the supply is more tightly monitored than it is in Shanghai or Guangzhou or even Hong Kong.
Mongolians are more or less limited to lao wai customers, but they are also creatures of this market.

FernandoAlonso
10-26-08, 17:03
When, pray tell, was there a standard rate of 800 for LT? In the good old days, when $100 bought 800 RMB, the rack rate for go to the hotel with you, do it, have a shower, and head back to M's to pick up an inebriated tourist indeed was 800. That's not what I call LT. Later, with the depreciation of the no longer almighty dollar, that rate went to 100 Euro, which was about RMB 1000. Now, that rate still stands at RMB 1000. But for me, "LT" either means "Light Truck" or stay with me the whole night, have a leisurly coffee etc. For that, I always paid double. Unless a "ST" vixen, hired at 3am, was so inebriated that she fell asleep and an involuntary LT ensued. I still gave her more if she was good.

I know, BJ Fox has a soft heart. So do I. I pay a little extra when service is good. Might be a waste of money. But overall, it gets you a special place in the heart of many maidens, just like a nice tip ensures you of a nice table next time in a crowded restaurant. During the long dry spell, that extra investment brought big dividends. I didn't need Maggies (where they overcharged me on drinks anyway.) I just could work my phone list. Old standbys brought new arrivals.

Fox is right: If you like her, give a little more. They usually have kids at home who need food and clothing. Some support whole families. What's 200 more for an expat? The price of a short taxi ride back home. Give, and ye might be taklen advantage of. But in the long run, give and ye shall receive.Hmm, just asking, my undersytanding of ST was something between the 20 minute BBS or SW streetworker rush if you were unlucky and up to the 2 hours from a nice SW or massage girl, LT is overnight. Does that apply to our Mongolian friends, seems that say app. 800 still gets you 3 to 4 hours, but the LT overnight skyrocketed to 1500/1600 range. So to be fair the real ST was never the low end of the service provided by them. Is that about right?

FA

FernandoAlonso
10-26-08, 17:06
I had the BBS experience with this lovely hottie as reported, liked it a lot, sure this is not the 3 hour romantic kisses tour, but a quickie also has its fun sides and she is not a clock watcher at all. I appreciated her humor and natural way so decided to try the outcall option. It is not that cheap (700 LT) and you have to bargain hard to get her out of her shop before midnight. That is also the main setback, her phone will ring quite often before business cools off after midnight. She speaks only Chinese, so you have to find a way to communicate (I speak only very little manadarin). It makes a big difference if she likes you, she can be really nice company and she loves to act. If you just are in for the "do it as often as you can", I doubt you will have much fun. She adapts very well to what you expect, she can even turn off the stupid moaning and behave quite natural. Apparently the moaning makes Chinese man come faster (even faster? ) and makes them feel great lovers, so it is a common practice. I just started laughing when she began it and imitated her and so pretty fast we were at a normal level of noise. She staid both times until after noon, but mainly because I let her sleep when I went to work, she even called the clean up service when she left. She is really a beautiful 24-year old Dongbei girl with a dream body and just the right sized B-cups fitting her slim shape. Fun to be with and quite open about her life and the business. I had all the fun that I wanted but as she works quite hard and long, she will get tired at some point and needs some sleep, if she does not get it I guess it can get pretty annoying, but as we get along quite well with each other there never was a problem regarding services or whatsoever. Just that Andreas brought her on that role play track, so she thinks this is a Laowei preference and will do it all the time. So if you do not like this, better stay away. You will get the whole show (all positions, BJ, HJ, DATY. .) in a very GFE way and some nice company. Will for sure do again.

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FernandoAlonso
10-26-08, 17:17
This is the Dalian affiliate, could not find the Mongolians but it wa early day.

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10-26-08, 21:08
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Hendrik
10-26-08, 22:42
Mr Hendrik, please don't take my remark personally. It was more of a general remark and your post was just the 'opportunity' to get it out. Don't worry! My post may have sounded apologetic, but it wasn't meant to be. I was truly interested in what you guys are paying.

P.S.: Call me Hendrik, if you like!


When picking up a Mongolian girl I am rarely given to discussing price before hand. I do like to have a chat / drink with the girl first and see what her personality is like. If the first thing she goes to is money I lose interest almost instantly, if they are in a rush then it's a bad sign for later. I like Mongolians for the GFE, if I get the impression it will be mechanical/transactional then I may as well save money and go for a local girl.

Even after the event when they leave I never hand them the cash openly in a transaction way. I always have the amount ready before hand and either put it in their pocket while giving them a hug or in their bag and tell them that it's something for them so they know I have done so. They never ask for money, but then I never let it get to a situation where they are forced to because I am being slow. I cannot recall once when the girl has taken it out and counted in front of me and I’m sure they prefer it to being open about the money side. That pretty much summarizes my own experiences and how I like to handle things. It seems that my pricing reference was indeed on the lower end compared to what you guys are paying. I am a bit surprised about this, as - if I remember well - I got it from reading the ISG 4-5 years ago when I started visiting Maggies. And my first Mongolian, which was indeed a bit older than the average, confirmed it at that time. I also used to go do Maggies rather late and rarely picked a girl before 2-3am, which may explain why I always got away with my prices. But believe me, I had my share of stunners staying with me until the next morning (and beyond), and I can't remember any comments or complaining (which indeed speaks for them).

So, as a result of this discussion, I will from now on pay more for LT, if that is in line with what you are doing.

The Tanuki
10-26-08, 23:18
Mongolians are more or less limited to lao wai customers, but they are also creatures of this market.
From talking with Mongolians, my impression is that they don't care for the average Chinese customer as much as the westerners. At Maggies the demand is almost exclusively lao wai, so maybe they just got used to them in that venue. It could also be that we are easier to pry more money from than the locals. Either way, these days at the Pig the locals do get a shot at the girls as it's a bit more wide open than Maggies. They may cringe at the price quotes being flaunted though (then again, so do many of us!).

T

Weelock
10-26-08, 23:59
From talking with Mongolians, my impression is that they don't care for the average Chinese customer as much as the westerners. At Maggies the demand is almost exclusively lao wai, so maybe they just got used to them in that venue. It could also be that we are easier to pry more money from than the locals. Either way, these days at the Pig the locals do get a shot at the girls as it's a bit more wide open than Maggies. They may cringe at the price quotes being flaunted though (then again, so do many of us!).

T


The locals are NOT allowed in Maggies. Even if you are not a local but look Chinese, you can be turned down or have a hard time getting in. There is a stupid sign by the door and a rule about membership. Even if you look Chinese and do get in, the staff is extremely rude to you. They ignore you and you feel you are not welcome. I recall a black guy complained about not getting into Maggies. I call it discrimination. Therefore, it's almost exclusively Westerners at Maggies. Yes, the Mongolians like the deeper pockets and the easier prey. The locals don't have as much buying power. Next I don't think the local Chinese like the Mongolians as much as the Russians.


I recall someone wrote some locals caused some trouble at Maggies and that is the reason locals are not allowed. So hypotherically, if some US Embassy workers got into a fight in bar years ago, then ALL Westerners are not allow now but this will never happen.


Someone else once write, the membership is to screen out police or undercover. Don't tell me the police don't know what goes on in Maggies, they do. It's just another stupid excuse to not let the local Chinese in.

This is just my 2 cents and my humble opinion.

Sammy_T
10-27-08, 01:11
When picking up a Mongolian girl I am rarely given to discussing price before hand. I do like to have a chat / drink with the girl first and see what her personality is like. If the first thing she goes to is money I lose interest almost instantly, if they are in a rush then it's a bad sign for later. I like Mongolians for the GFE, if I get the impression it will be mechanical/transactional then I may as well save money and go for a local girl.

Even after the event when they leave I never hand them the cash openly in a transaction way. I always have the amount ready before hand and either put it in their pocket while giving them a hug or in their bag and tell them that it's something for them so they know I have done so. They never ask for money, but then I never let it get to a situation where they are forced to because I am being slow. I cannot recall once when the girl has taken it out and counted in front of me and I’m sure they prefer it to being open about the money side.
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So to me the Mongolians are worth the extra, treat them well, and don’t treat it strictly as a transaction and they respond in kind. How they would respond if I spent 10 mins negotiating over RMB 100 I have no idea, but if I want to haggle over that amount of money I will go to the silk market or go to a bbs where I get transactional sex rather than a GFE. BBS and Mongolian's at Lido are different markets, Mac Donalds verses a real restaurant.


Agree 100%. This is the exact same aproach I have always taken with the Mongolian girls and it has always paid off for me.

Sammy

OldAsiaHand
10-27-08, 04:15
Hmm, just asking, my undersytanding of ST was something between the 20 minute BBS or SW streetworker rush if you were unlucky and up to the 2 hours from a nice SW or massage girl, LT is overnight. Does that apply to our Mongolian friends, seems that say app. 800 still gets you 3 to 4 hours, but the LT overnight skyrocketed to 1500/1600 range. So to be fair the real ST was never the low end of the service provided by them. Is that about right?

FA

I normally start with ST and make the LT decision after the first pop. In my experience, ST is generally 1-2 hours with the Mongolians. Standard price has been 800 RMB for awhile now, but I do remember 600 RMB within the past 5 years. That said, some of the better looking ones stick to 1,000 RMB ST, especially if it is early in the evening. If I opt for LT, I usually pay between 1,000-1,500 RMB depending on the circumstances. I get annoyed when some of the Maggie's girls quote 2,000+ RMB playing me for a fool.

Just my POV.

OAH

Zhuren
10-27-08, 06:33
Agree 100%. This is the exact same aproach I have always taken with the Mongolian girls and it has always paid off for me.

Sammy


Same here. I never discuss price. They know what they get. They don't even count it. At least not in front of me.

OldAsiaHand
10-27-08, 06:57
Same here. I never discuss price. They know what they get. They don't even count it. At least not in front of me.

Zhuren,

Your reputation precedes you. Whenever I have been to Maggies with you and SammyT, price was never discussed with the girls I took. They just assumed that if I was with you guys, I knew the deal and they would be treated fairly.

For me the feeling is quite different when a girl tries to overcharge me upfront. I may give a girl even more if she quotes me the correct price upfront and I tip her extra for a job well done.

Just my POV.

OAH

Zhuren
10-27-08, 07:07
The locals are NOT allowed in Maggies..


Weelock: Maggies is closed. CLOSED. Shut. Padlocked. Not open. No more. Ever since March when police crashed the grand opening party of the newly refurbished Maggie's.

Where've you been? Under a monstrous boulder?

Easy for you to remember: When you think "Maggie's," think "We Lock." Capisce?


Actually, the long-standing NODON (No Domestic Nationals) policy was a handy excuse for LE to shut the place down. After having received complaints from upstanding Chinese that they had been refused entry to a bar - or so the story goes -Beijing's finest decided to look into the matter and to observe a bar they had never heard about before. A stake-out ensued, and to their utter amazement, police detected detestable acts of illegal prostitution. In swift action, the den of iniquity was shut down. Head management was thrown in the slammer. Then, police learned that prostitution was not limited to Maggie's, but had been going on elsewhere in Beijing without anybody noticing. They wouldn't have that, so one by one, everything else was closed also.

Historical footnote: As the NODON policy had been explained to me back when, it was a measure to curb illicit acts between Chinese Nationals: The girls were all foreigners, the guests were likewise, both are depraved anyway, no Chinese victimized or involved. A story that may have been BS also. Just like "Maggie's bar girls get no cut. They get a small salary and work on tips only." Niu shi, I say.

Anyway: Maggie's no more. Your comments are a year late. We're all sorry. Don't go there. It's closed.

Zhuren
10-27-08, 07:12
A little sidenote to the reports of NGOs canvassing the embassy district to save women from being exploited by traffickers:


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‘Sleeping with the enemy’? Some Problems with Feminist Abolitionist Calls to Penalise those who Buy Commercial Sex

Julia O'Connell Davidson
School of Sociology and Social Policy, University of Nottingham, UK


Abstract

Feminists campaigning for the abolition of prostitution have long argued that it is men who buy sex, rather than prostitute women, who should be penalised and reformed. In recent years, the phenomenon of ‘trafficking’ in persons has provided feminist abolitionists with a more high profile platform from which to lobby on prostitution issues, and they have found policy makers increasingly receptive to calls to penalise men who buy sex. This has encouraged some feminist abolitionists to forge alliances with those who would more usually be viewed as ‘enemies’ of feminism and other progressive social movements (police chiefs calling for more extensive police powers and tougher sentencing policy, anti-immigration politicians calling for tighter border controls, and moral conservatives urging a return to ‘family values’). This paper is concerned with the dangers of such liaisons. It begins with a brief review of the findings of recent research on the demand for commercial sexual services, then puts forward some reasons why feminist abolitionists should be cautious about calling on the state to penalise sex buyers.


http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=E774E9DB9DDED0B9D39316CEC9DE4B7C.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=146539

Hendrik
10-27-08, 08:07
From talking with Mongolians, my impression is that they don't care for the average Chinese customer as much as the westerners. At Maggies the demand is almost exclusively lao wai, so maybe they just got used to them in that venue. It could also be that we are easier to pry more money from than the locals. Either way, these days at the Pig the locals do get a shot at the girls as it's a bit more wide open than Maggies. They may cringe at the price quotes being flaunted though (then again, so do many of us!). There are also other reasons why Mongolians prefer laowais to Chinese men. Chinese have a very bad reputation in Mongolia: they are perceived as invading the Mongolian markets with their cheap and often smuggled products and thus destroying opportunities for Mongolians. They are also considered as false and arrogant, thinking that money could buy them everything. I often noticed that these feelings extend to downright hatred in Mongolia. Most of our Mongolians in Beijing certainly have a more balanced perception as they live here and see the many advantages of living in China compared to living at home. Many of them are also students and are learning Chinese as a way to a better future. Nevertheless, some of these stereotypes will certainly remain.

Also. And I am not sure whether this is not even the bigger argument. Chinese men are considered very bad performers in bed, which do not care about the woman's need and finish very quickly. The Mongolians, that I have talked about this, told me that they sometimes accept Chinese men for the money, but do not really like it. Or, as my favorite girl put it: "The best thing about them is that it's over very soon, and I can go back to work".

Weelock
10-27-08, 08:43
Weelock: Maggies is closed. CLOSED. Shut. Padlocked. Not open. No more. Ever since March when police crashed the grand opening party of the newly refurbished Maggie's.
--cut--


Zhuren:

It seem like Maggies is open but no Mongolians. It was posted yesterday by FernandoAlonso unless it's a false report. If it's really open, I hope they remove the membership requirement. Anyway, I was replying to a post by Tankuki.


Maggies is open!!

This is the Dalian affiliate, could not find the Mongolians but it wa early day.


Tankuki was talking about Maggies and why there is NOT a demand from Chinese for Mongolians. I gave some reasons. ISG member Hendrik, post 3694, gave some good reasons why Mongolians prefer laowais to Chinese men too.

Yes, I read the owner is or was in jail. For shutting it down, it was the Olympics. LE just fabricated an excuse to shut it down alone with most other places.

I also predicted last year most place will be completely shutdown and unsafe because of the Olympics.

Superforce99
10-27-08, 11:09
Weelock,

Have you actually been to Beijing or to Maggies, ever? It's weird because your info seems to be based on second/third/tenth-hand information, assumptions, or just pulled out of a random orifice...



SF99

The Tanuki
10-27-08, 12:03
It seem like Maggies is open but no Mongolians. It was posted yesterday by Fernando unless it's a false report. If it's really open, I hope they remove the membership requirement. Anyway, I was reply to a post by Tankuki.
I never said anything about Maggies being open today, at any rate. Merely using past experience in a conversation.

BTW, FA said it was Maggies in Dalian, not Beijing.



I also predicted last year most place will be completely shutdown and unsafe because of the Olympics.
Nice of you to announce last year's prediction now... :eek:

Next one: Bush wins over Kerry! Woo Hoo!!

T

Taire Beijing
10-27-08, 14:12
Ok, so having posted that we are trying to get an alternative to lido done in cbd a little while ago I thought I would update.

There was a little delay due to the fact I was placing an over-reliance on my favorite mongolian friend to arrange / source the ladies. Whilst I recognise that this may be a slight (or maybe large) error it was in part due to not quite having the same size of address book as some of the senior members.

Anyway, she is now back in town, the hotel is ready and now some complete and utter f*#&at$ has gone and booked her for a week long stay. Grrrr (more on this in a minute)

As I will be out of town for a couple of weeks I have given the guy at the hotel her number and hopefully they will get it done while I am away, he will let me know and I will post.

Now back to the absolute git that has booked E for a week.

Now I have been in Beijing a while, taxi drivers ripping me off, mild annoyance, complete lack of common sense in some of the locals that work with/for me. Doesn't even raise a stir. Booking my favorite mongolian for a week right before I leave to desolate london for a while. And I finally know what it is to hate someone in beijing. To be frank if I was president of a small country I would be formally withdrawing my ambassador and declaring war. Lmao

I have no idea if its another member or not, but seriously man, a block booking of a week on one of the best lays in town. Wtf!

Actually, yeah I know, ok, when I put it like that it makes sense for him. But damn bro, have a heart. Two weeks in LONDON, mongolianless surrounded by english women, a brother needed to get in a couple more days to see him through that kind of ordeal.

Block bookings, I ask you, what is the world coming to. Anyway, who ever you are, unofficially, smart move, taking my hat off to you. Officially I still hate you with a passion but have to respect the style.

Ah well to lido I go, if its slim pickings there and anyone sees an english guy crying into his drink tonight in sheer dissappointment, that'll be me.

It's a times like these that having the foresight to book a few nights stopover in Pattaya on the way there really seems like it was a smart move.

Softy
10-27-08, 15:44
Yes, she got a tip for good service, but certainly in relation to the agreed price of 1200 RMB.

And I know exactly what you mean, as I love Mongolia and its people, traveled the country several times and have friends there. It also breaks my heart to see how this country with its great history and culture and with all its natural resources is currently struggling over corruption and a lack of vision and hope. And I think I have seen enough to also know about the daily struggles and constant worries about money and tried to help, wherever I could within my limits.

On the other hand, I do think that you should not give money without receiving some kind of service or good in return (and be it only a gesture), such that people do not get used to receiving money for free. And I also think that the money should be in relation with the service and what I am willing to pay elsewhere for it. My reference to the 800 RMB for LT referred to the standard price at Maggies 3-4 years ago (but who am I telling this). I have always tipped the girls, if they provided good service, and have accepted that the standard price has increased over the last years above the inflation rate.

But I think that there should be limits, and I will always laugh a Mongolian in her face, when she is telling me bullshit about a special discount of 2000 RMB just for being the most handsome man in the bar. Call me romantic, but I miss the times, when you could walk away from Maggies without even negotiating the price beforehand. And I have always loved the Mongolians for not asking for the money beforehand and for not counting it upon receipt.

My current reference system is 800-1000 and 1200 RMB for ST and LT, respectively. I am very interested to learn what you are paying if you consider these prices unfair.

That is a good guideline Fox. It also very much depends on the girl and how well you know each other. A former regular of mine and I had an agreement, suggested by her, that she would just tell me how much she needed - which was always less than how much she would normally charge - and would not take any more. Of course, during the times I was seeing her I bought her phones, clothes, a television and more as well as spent the entire day and night with her (over several days) providing her with meals and entertainment along the way.

The bottom line is it all depends on the girl, how well you know her, and many other circumstances. But, the guidelines above are fair to the girls even if you can often pay them less - particularly if they like you.

Weelock
10-27-08, 18:50
Weelock,

Have you actually been to Beijing or to Maggies, ever? It's weird because your info seems to be based on second/third/tenth-hand information, assumptions, or just pulled out of a random orifice...



SF99

Yes, I have been to Beijing and Maggies more than once. Overall, big cities are too expensive for me. I don't have a business expense account.

TomFool
10-27-08, 19:14
Any guys keen for a KTV session beijing? im in Macau so can get into this site, However im keen for a session on Tueusday in beijing. Any takers ?Giddy Boy, or anybody else. I'm in Beijing on Thursday night and then again next week. I'd love to share costs with someone to go explore the KTV scene, which I've never successfully done. It would be nice to be led by a seasoned hand. Anyone?

Bad Boy Billy
10-27-08, 22:54
There was a little delay due to the fact I was placing an over-reliance on my favorite mongolian friend to arrange / source the ladies. Whilst I recognise that this may be a slight (or maybe large) errorYes maybe an error - the problem is that E**a is not the sharpest pencil in the box - A***a or another may get you organised much quicker.


Now back to the absolute git that has booked E for a week...................I have no idea if its another member or not, but seriously man, a block booking of a week on one of the best lays in town. Wtf! Not the first time this has happened. I was all set to take her from Maggies one night - even spoke to her about midnight or so - within 30 mins some clown turned up who has block booked her days on end and just took her out the door.

She aint real clever - but she was smaret enough to know his 4 or 5 day booking was way better than my overnight intentions.

Beijing Fox
10-28-08, 13:54
Dear Beijing Brothers,

I've just returned from a trip to Bangkok today. As usual - overwhelming. It is a shame that in Beijing we mongerers have to 'fight' over a handfull of good girls, while in Thailand there is an over supply of gorgeous women. My poor Beijing, my poor brothers, what have we done to deserve this?


.
Yes maybe an error - the problem is that E**a is not the sharpest pencil in the box - A***a or another may get you organised much quicker.

Not the first time this has happened. I was all set to take her from Maggies one night - even spoke to her about midnight or so - within 30 mins some clown turned up who has block booked her days on end and just took her out the door.

She aint real clever - but she was smaret enough to know his 4 or 5 day booking was way better than my overnight intentions.

Taire Beijing
10-28-08, 17:13
I think I was obviously confusing her being very good in a couple of areas with her being able to get something organised. I can certainly understand why she gets block booked, if you are in town for a few days it does make for an almost guaranteed great experience

Truth be told she seemed very keen on the idea when we talked to her about it. I was kind of hoping that she would actually mention it to A***a or one of the others and that it would be fairly straight forward. Maybe straight forward is wishful thinking these days in beijing. I mean it's not like any mongolian girl in town does not know at a minimum at least 7 or 8 others who in turn know another 7 or 8 others etc etc.

Anyway, as I am on an early flight tomorrow I have left her number with my buddy at the hotel. Told him to get in touch with her while I am away and try and sort it out. The hotel is fine with it, they are even happy to give the girls incentives to go there (very cheap drinks etc). As I said to Sammy on a PM earlier, I am more than happy to put any senior member in touch with him if they are interested or if anyone wants to talk to A***a and put her in touch with him that would work too.

Also I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, this is not a financial venture in any way for me, just thought it would solve the hotel's, the girls and customers needs in a nice easy way. The main thing is we need a choice of venues to go to, lido is really depressingly poor at the moment.

At least I have learned an important lesson, I need to stop being lazy and widen my mongolian experiences / build up my contact list, get out there and take a few for the team! I know it will be tough, but its something I feel I need to dedicate myself to doing

As a further aid to my understanding of this area I think I will also have to spend a large amount of my time over the next few days in Thailand visiting a variety of establishments and seeing how they operate, personally interviewing the girls and so on. Purely in the interests of research you understand, because thats the kind of selfless monger I am

Happy hunting.


Yes maybe an error - the problem is that E**a is not the sharpest pencil in the box - A***a or another may get you organised much quicker.

Not the first time this has happened. I was all set to take her from Maggies one night - even spoke to her about midnight or so - within 30 mins some clown turned up who has block booked her days on end and just took her out the door.

She aint real clever - but she was smaret enough to know his 4 or 5 day booking was way better than my overnight intentions.

The Tanuki
10-28-08, 17:40
Dear Beijing Brothers,

I've just returned from a trip to Bangkok today. As usual - overwhelming. It is a shame that in Beijing we mongerers have to 'fight' over a handfull of good girls, while in Thailand there is an over supply of gorgeous women. My poor Beijing, my poor brothers, what have we done to deserve this?


Dumb luck I guess, like stumbling drunk into El Dorado once and then not being able to find it again. The girls make a nice yardstick for comparison in the rest of the world. Saturday night you'll find me chasing tail at the Beach Club in Kuala Lumpur, but I'll be thinking of the girl who used me up last time in BJ...

T

FernandoAlonso
10-28-08, 18:17
Zhuren:

It seem like Maggies is open but no Mongolians. It was posted yesterday by FernandoAlonso unless it's a false report. If it's really open, I hope they remove the membership requirement. Anyway, I was replying to a post by Tankuki.Not false but I talk about Dalian and cannot ge the photo uploaded, so this was a JOKE!

Hope I get the photo up soon.

FA

Tony Santana
10-28-08, 19:23
I recently took a trip to Beijing and decided to do a hutong tour around an area called Houhai. I went down one ally and came across many small establishments with girls sitting down by the windows. I decided to go into one (with the best looking girl) for a massage and after about two hours together with the nice and cute girl, I managed to slowly get all of her clothes off, including mine (except my underwear). She did not want to go all of the way. And totally shot away any attempts of me trying to get my thing out with her naked. But she did not mind laying down with me and some fingering and rubbing. After an hour more of the same thing, I got no further and left (all of this for 60 RMB/hour. Total 180 RMB).

The same day I went to a bar called the Den, which I heard was famous for late-night action (from the good reports here). Apparently I must have been there too early or late. There were a couple of girls looking for action, but nothing I was interested in. I took a stroll down the road, and had to shove away a bunch of annoying guys shouting 'massageee' to me. There were also some walkers there, but they were pretty scary and almost as equally aggressive as the men. While returning to my hotel, about a 20 minute walk from where I was, I saw a bunch of hot model like looking girls leaving another hotel. Fortunately I got the attention of one who was interested to go.

Man she had a wicked body and face, but at the same time she was really bitchy. Sometimes this is a turn on for me, but she was also very aggressive and got displeased at the negotiated price. That just ruined my mood. The service was quick and nothing special. But I did manage to get a video recording of her in the shower and on the bed. Man that body is worth watching over and over.

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Theojr
10-28-08, 20:33
For those of you who are new to experience CN and travel to BJ, (my first visit to BJ was a year ago), I recommend two places to start. 1. Maggies. Stay away from the bar girls (waitresses) and stick by the bar. Buy a gal a drink. Or two. Don't get her drunk as she will just want to pass out in your room (happened to me) and then I tried to kick her out in the AM and she wouldn't move. What was interesting was I had to leave in the morning, left her sleeping, and when I got back that night nothing was distrubed. Lucky I guess.

2. Go to Hard Rock around 9-9:30. At that time it appears to be a regular eating and drinking establishment. As I recall the clock strikes 10 and the place is filled with trolling gals all in the course of 15 minutes. Had a blast at the bar and later.

Question for regulars. Staying at Xi Yuan Hotel by the zoo this trip. Any recommendations in the area or take the cab ride back to DTown?

Stay safe

FernandoAlonso
10-28-08, 20:51
This time with the photo..

DISCLAIMER

to avoid any misunderstanding this is not the famous Beijing Maggies, but I could not resist to take the Photo and post here.

Wish it ws the real one.

FA

Bad Boy Billy
10-28-08, 21:53
I've just returned from a trip to Bangkok today. As usual - overwhelming. It is a shame that in Beijing we mongerers have to 'fight' over a handfull of good girls, while in Thailand there is an over supply of gorgeous women. My poor Beijing, my poor brothers, what have we done to deserve this?Oh so true - 2 weeks ago I spent 3 nights in BJ - it was just tolerable - then 4 nights in Angeles City in Phils - 100 bars - 5,000 girls - I am still amazed how taking Maggies out of the Beijing scene just obliterates Beijing as a destination to enjoy.

I need to be back in China Nov 25 or a day or so - in days gone by - 3 or 4 nights in BJ would be a 'monty' - but again I will cut China visit short and head to Phils or LOS.

My humble opinion of course - others will disagree.

Zhuren
10-28-08, 21:53
Yes maybe an error - the problem is that E**a is not the sharpest pencil in the box - A***a or another may get you organised much quicker.


True. If you need anything organized, Christmas Party, corporate outing, hostile takeover, whatever, A***a will do it, on time and on budget.

E**a may not be as sharp, but she surely looks sharp! IMHO, this gal has the best body in BJ. Best option: Have A***a organize E**a for you.

But hurry, A***a will be in HK as of Thursday .....

Sammy_T
10-29-08, 04:12
As a further aid to my understanding of this area I think I will also have to spend a large amount of my time over the next few days in Thailand visiting a variety of establishments and seeing how they operate, personally interviewing the girls and so on. Purely in the interests of research you understand, because thats the kind of selfless monger I am

Way to take one for the team :)

Enjoy your trip!

Wujohn
10-29-08, 10:11
Whilst the frequency of nefarious activities was somewhat curtailed during Beijing's great coming out party aka the Olympics, things are slowly returning to normal though others have told me that some things never changed for them. Good for y'all.

Specifically, the KTV places that play games are back to full throttle - stripping, drinking games, manual and other games and some are even providing the private rooms again though they kept insisting it was only for their regular customers to thank us for supporting them during their "dry spell". Anyway, I have mentioned these places before so check them out from previous posts for KTV with games.

The girls at the high class KTV places are also coming back in greater numbers. You will find many 8s and 9s (and 10s for those of you who don't bother reserving the illustrious 10 for Ms PERFECT) in places like Wuzhou, No. 8 club, others. No. 8 club has the added advantage of having a spa next door so if you wanted to do short time and you don't have a place to go then it is rather ideal.

Many of the massage places still aren't accepting foreigners or are only accepting them if they are prepared to pay more. They also make it difficult because the foreigners must be accompanied by a Chinese guy who also makes the pick for the foreigner. Yes they don't make it easy but I guess that's the idea. Things should be back to normal in mid to late November.

Still, I have to say that I have been roaming around the region recently and came across Darling Sauna in Macau. It would easily rank in my Top 3 for each of service quality, GFE and choice of girls. I have made excuses to go back 3 more times since I first went there in August so that should say be saying something. Anyway, cost is HK$14xx for 90 mins with lots of Chinese, Taiwanese, Vietnamese, Thai and some Koreans and Russians.

Off to Bangkok tonight.

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Da Dicknotist
10-29-08, 15:52
Back to my old haunt in Beijing, visited some friends. Unfortunate I need to leave so quickly, but a couple of news items

1) Word on the street is that Maggie's will open next week, and as it's a pretty credible source, I'm inclined to believe. I'm sure you folks will try it out soon enough. I must admit I don't rate that place - Mandarin speakers usually avoid that place for a reason, although it's a hell of an intro to the scene.

2) The dearth of blonds in the bars is quite stunning. I've heard rumors on why they're not here, but none seem credible. I expect this to be a cyclical phenomena. I saw a killer blonde at the Lufthansa Center that set off my WG-radar, but was quoted 2500. Shouldn't have asked while wearing business formal.

3) Wow there are a lot of touts in the Asian Olympics area. I expected all the 30ish 40ish women to be touts, and the men crouching on the floor smoking cigarettes to be touts, but I didn't realize they've enlisted teenage hotties as well. One I struck up a convo with is supposedly a cell phone sales chick moonlighting as a tout - might have partaken had she been on the menu, but alas, "my boyfriend would never allow that."

4) The streetwalkers near Yansha Qiao are still simply delicious. I like to find one that's wearing skimpy clothing when it's damn cold outside, because that usually indicates they're Southern, and I prefer Southern attitudes. It's so damn cold here that, to steal a line from SF in Zhuhai, I'm surprised soft serve isn't coming out of my dick, so the girls are real thankful for a nice place to stay. 600 LT is a very reasonable local price - Whities pay extra.

WooVictor
10-30-08, 08:39
I was in Beijing for a few days last week, and spent a whole evening at the Jinsha Spa Club on Garden Road in Haidian district. On that particular day, I finished my meetings early and got there at about 4pm. The place is a free-standing building of three levels located in a large courtyard behind the Mudan Hotel and a department store whose name has escaped me. I had been there once, almost a year ago, for a straight spa treatment which was very good and professional (no hanky panky at all). Somehow, I felt that it must offer special services, even though it was positioned as a family-oriented bathhouse (yes, I saw kids around, coming with their dads and moms). So, I decided to explore it once again.

A receptionist greeted me at the lobby, and led me up to one of the spa rooms on the second floor. The standard package was really quite simple, consisting of soaking in a bathtub for about half an hour and then an oil massage for about one-and-a-half hours, with a price tag of 888 yuan. No other packages (e.g. body wraps, facial treatment, or volcanic rock treatment) were available. It’s not that cheap but the place is very nicely decorated in Thai style and everything is beautiful and clean, so I think the high price is well justified.

The men’s section is located on the third floor, with the locker room, showers, pools and massage rooms. There is a restaurant on the second floor, where the spa rooms are located. However, I found out from my masseuse there were a number of “guest rooms” on the second floor as well. I thought, correctly, that I could get special services there.

In any case, I had my spa treatment in the spa room, which was well equipped with a toilet, shower and bathtub. The treatment was very professional, no funny business. I did try to seduce my masseuse and managed to get her to massage the top of my thighs, very near my loins, but she wouldn’t go any further than that.

Anyway, I finished my enjoyable spa treatment, dressed up and left the spa room. Then I asked a waiter on the corridor to show me the “guest rooms”. There are three types of rooms – standard rooms, standard suites and presidential suites. The standard room has a massage bed, a sofa, a cupboard and a TV, whereas the suite can accommodate four people and has a sitting room with sofas and a mahjong table (with four chairs, of course), a toilet and a massage room (which unfortunately is rather small with a double bed and a TV set).

I didn’t bother to look at the presidential suite, but decided to rent a suite for something like 388 yuan (for 24 hours). A standard room is something like 188 yuan. Massage will cost extra, which I vaguely remember as less than 300 yuan for one session of 45 minutes. I asked the waiter to arrange a masseuse for me.

In a couple of minutes a girl came to my room. She was dressed in a tight Chinese style short-sleeve shirt and a mini-skirt that exposed half of her thighs. This uniform was different from that for the masseuse at the spa section, which was a Thai-style sarong.

My girl was a 22-year-old named Wei from Hubei. She was slim, with fair skin and quite good looking. I’d rank her a 7.5. I asked what she had to offer, and she explained that for a single session she could do straight oil massage, while for a double session she could give me a “kidney maintenance”. I agreed, and we went to bed together.

The bed was located in an elevated platform by the window, and was separated from the rest of the suite by a curtain, which had remained open all along. Wei turned off all the lights in the suite, though it was still quite bright because there was a large glass panel on the door through which the corridor’s light could get into the room. I asked Wei to draw the curtain, and the massage room became a bit darker, much to my liking.

Wei stripped me naked, and started with a straight oil massage. In due course she came to my buttock, and took very good care of it. She noted that for a single-session massage she would not do anything erotic. After she finished the first session, she went out to get some hot towels to rub the oil off my back. Then she started the second session, which really consisted of take very good care of my little brother. Her routine was more varied and certainly more interesting that the usual handjob given at other places. It’s difficult to explain but she massaged various erotic areas in the lower part of my body, using her fingers skillfully in many different ways. I found it very enjoyable and asked her where she learnt her tricks. Of course she learnt it from her master (a woman) at the establishment.

(It transpired that her training consisted first of watching lots of video demonstrations produced in Thailand. Then she would practice normal massage on the other masseuses, with her master watching and correcting her. For handjob training, the managers of the establishment were the lucky bastards).

While she was working hard on my dick, I was busy exploring her body. She happily allowed me to play with her tits, her shirt totally unbuttoned. Her tits were modest, but her nipples were small and very pink. Soon I found that she enjoyed my tits massage a lot, though she resisted my advances on her ****. I suggested sex, she refused, but then quickly she leaned all over me to kiss my chest. I wouldn’t give up hope, and after several requests she finally agreed, for a tip of 500 yuan.

I dashed to the sitting room and fished a condom from my trousers, and went back to bed. Indeed, she was totally wet when I took her panties off. Clearly, she was very excited, but nervous at the same time. I entered her easily, and she had to bite her lips to prevent herself from screaming. After I finally shot my load, I could still feel her muscle gripping my dick for a long time. She was very happy and smiled brightly afterwards, and I was glad that I brought her to climax.

However, after we cleaned up, her face turned serious. She claimed that she had never fucked a client in the establishment, and would never do that again as it was “not good”. Still, she said she did not regret doing it with me. Now I don’t know if I was really the first client that she fucked, but I was quite sure that she didn’t do this often. I’m not sure if I will see (and fuck) her again, but I think I’ll go back there, to see if the other girls are also so skillful in administering handjobs.

Total cost to the establishment in the guest room was about 900 yuan (388 yuan room charge plus two sessions of massage). Then there was the 888 yuan straight spa treatment, plus a 500 yuan tip for Wei. That’s quite serious damage for four to five hours of fun.

Worm
10-30-08, 12:23
For those of you who are new to experience CN and travel to BJ, (my first visit to BJ was a year ago), I recommend two places to start. 1. Maggies. Stay away from the bar girls (waitresses) and stick by the bar. Buy a gal a drink. Or two. Don't get her drunk as she will just want to pass out in your room (happened to me) and then I tried to kick her out in the AM and she wouldn't move. What was interesting was I had to leave in the morning, left her sleeping, and when I got back that night nothing was distrubed. Lucky I guess.

2. Go to Hard Rock around 9-9:30. At that time it appears to be a regular eating and drinking establishment. As I recall the clock strikes 10 and the place is filled with trolling gals all in the course of 15 minutes. Had a blast at the bar and later.

Question for regulars. Staying at Xi Yuan Hotel by the zoo this trip. Any recommendations in the area or take the cab ride back to DTown?

Stay safe

You obviously have not been here for a while. Maggies is closed and the Hard Rock is soft.

Zhuren
10-30-08, 13:19
You obviously have not been here for a while. Maggies is closed and the Hard Rock is soft.

The economy must be REAL bad. More and more people live under a rock.

Whomer
10-30-08, 15:03
And hopefully some can stand on the rocks....

Sebastian My
10-31-08, 00:15
Dear Beijing Brothers,

I've just returned from a trip to Bangkok today. As usual - overwhelming. It is a shame that in Beijing we mongerers have to 'fight' over a handfull of good girls, while in Thailand there is an over supply of gorgeous women. My poor Beijing, my poor brothers, what have we done to deserve this?


.

While I will totally agree with you that Bangkok is filled of attractive women and its easy to find them - although to find model quality it does take some effort. But it ain't that bad in good old Beijing - the hotel bars had a limited, but reasonable supply of "high-cost" chinese lady's over the olympics and as long as you made some effort you could find some nice chinese birds at a reasonable cost (just had to be careful which hotel you stayed in) - but I must admit the high-effort does force you into planning everything carefully - which can be a put off.

Please - let it all return to pre-olympic normal status soon? (And I am seeing evidence of that now - so its looking good).

Viajando Musico
10-31-08, 03:30
Oh so true - 2 weeks ago I spent 3 nights in BJ - it was just tolerable - then 4 nights in Angeles City in Phils - 100 bars - 5,000 girls - I am still amazed how taking Maggies out of the Beijing scene just obliterates Beijing as a destination to enjoy.

I need to be back in China Nov 25 or a day or so - in days gone by - 3 or 4 nights in BJ would be a 'monty' - but again I will cut China visit short and head to Phils or LOS.

My humble opinion of course - others will disagree.

Agreed, I always cut my business trip short in China and headed for other Asian destinations, especially the Phils, more GFE. Filipinas are also more used to Western culture and you don't have to deal with the Mafias.

Bad Boy Billy
10-31-08, 04:35
Agreed, I always cut my business trip short in China and headed for other Asian destinations, especially the Phils, more GFE. Filipinas are also more used to Western culture and you don't have to deal with the Mafias.Mate please read what I wrote - I will NOW cut short China trips and leave Beijing out of the equation.

Agree with you on GFE with Pilipino - same / same or better with Mongolians - and as Mongolians on average 6 inches taller than Pilipinos and Billy loves TALL GIRLS - Mongols RULE.

IF Maggies was open - Beijing would still RULE.

Fast Eddie 48
10-31-08, 05:39
Mate please read what I wrote - I will NOW cut short China trips and leave Beijing out of the equation.

Agree with you on GFE with Pilipino - same / same or better with Mongolians - and as Mongolians on average 6 inches taller than Pilipinos and Billy loves TALL GIRLS - Mongols RULE.

IF Maggies was open - Beijing would still RULE.Bad boy,

I been to Maggie once think the mogol girl is not that hot and expensive, The LA cafe in Manila is more my taste down and dirty.

I saw a few hot fillipina in Macau working as a hostess in Galaxy casino 2 week ago and they must be over 175cm and hotter than the model in Miss universive KTV in Manila.

Fast Eddie 48

Zhuren
10-31-08, 10:22
This is unfair: While the Beijing market for p**sy-for-sale has not quite recovered from its pre-, during-, and post-Olympic crash, there are increasing reports of a mass market of male members for money.

Emanating especially from well-off communities in the CBD, there are disturbing complaints from nicely dressed, Gucci-bag-toting Chinese females. On their way to and from work, or their chique digs in Beijing's high-rent districts, the ladies are accosted by boys, who offer them a good time in exchange for RMB.

The boys stand out for being effeminately coiffed. Asked about the hairstyle, one prospective customeresse said: "We don't like it. They think we like it."

The standard pick-up line is reported to be “do you have a little time, big sister?” And when asked for what, the boys don’t mince words: “I’ve got a big dick.” (Which ain’t true, says a reliable source who may have been spoiled by access to Western membership. )

From what we are hearing and seeing, the assault on the virtues of our maidens appears to be organized. We’ve seen the ducks in a neat row, addressed by their dear leader, like at the morning roll-call popular in any restaurant or company with a strict management.

This is an outrage. This is unheard of. Someone call the police. Or even better, call the World Wildlife Fund, the ASPCA, hell, let’s get PETA in on the act: This is blatant trafficking in ducks!

Sebastian My
11-01-08, 02:41
Excellent post Taire Beijing, which brings up some interesting points - all of which I agree with.


A. When picking up a Mongolian girl I am rarely given to discussing price before hand. I do like to have a chat / drink with the girl first and see what her personality is like. If the first thing she goes to is money I lose interest almost instantly, if they are in a rush then it's a bad sign for later. I like Mongolians for the GFE, if I get the impression it will be mechanical/transactional then I may as well save money and go for a local girl.

While I agree with you generally, just note that with Chinese girls you better agree on a price before to take them out. Mongolians and even Russians are no issue - no need to discuss money unless you want to try to negotiate the price down - and if you do this the girls sometimes lose interest - or at least go into "wham-bang-thank you man" mode. But in principal - totally agree - if you want a GFE experience - don't focus on the cash.


B. Even after the event when they leave I never hand them the cash openly in a transaction way. I always have the amount ready before hand and either put it in their pocket while giving them a hug or in their bag and tell them that it's something for them so they know I have done so. They never ask for money, but then I never let it get to a situation where they are forced to because I am being slow. I cannot recall once when the girl has taken it out and counted in front of me and I’m sure they prefer it to being open about the money side.

I use the same method, the girls really appreciate it and will go that bit extra the next time. Once they trust you - you can get more bang for your buck (sic). Unfortunately, not much use for the 1st time, but my style is to have a small number of long term friends, so I only need to do this when I have to replace someone who has gone home, or has left the business.


C. For sake of comparison I used to see a Chinese girl occasionally who recently put her price up to RMB1500, and wait for it, this was …. PER HOUR!! This was from 800 per night a couple of years ago. She was always ok in the sack, but when she quotes per hour it takes away the GFE and I lose interest, I think I posted about her a while ago.

While I absolutely love Chinese girls and have a number of regular friends - their are unfortunately lots of down sides. The money/greed issue is one down side and when that is not present, you get the clingy down side where they end up calling you ever hour - or dropping my your place at all sorts of odd times - or worst yet - dropping into the office to say hello on a regular basis. But I do understand why they do this – get as much cash as possible in the shortest time so they can leave the business – or find a nice rich laowai husband/boyfriend so they can leave the business. (CAVEAT : The girls in a good sauna/massage parlour, such as the shanghai hotel Lv2, are excellent and generally have excellent personality and a desire to please. Especially when they do that red-rope thing.)


D. Time for one or two last Mongolians before Tuesday me thinks. Or you never know I may finally go for the Chinese girl there with short hair and large breasts.. no idea of her name, but if i can get over my irrational fear of chinese girls having 'afro's' rather than being shaven it may happen

This is also a major down side of Chinese birds (or for that matter Korean and Japanese) they have so much hair down their you need a machete to get through it. Who knows what sort of creatures could live in that forest. Also, apart from being a health risk, its not really very attractive. Still I have managed to get my Harbin friend to shave a few times - but anyone from down south - I have had no such luck.

Note : I also agree with Zhuren, this duck stuff has gone too far - need to get it stamped out.

Zhuren
11-01-08, 09:25
This is also a major down side of Chinese birds (or for that matter Korean and Japanese) they have so much hair down their you need a machete to get through it. Who knows what sort of creatures could live in that forest. Also, apart from being a health risk, its not really very attractive. Still I have managed to get my Harbin friend to shave a few times - but anyone from down south - I have had no such luck.

True. I don't count myself as one of the fanatical "shave everything" camp (hey, I'm a degenerate from the hippie generation, and we shaved our GFs back when, it's old hat.) But thickets of bush can be a nuisance. Especially because Asian hair commonly is straight as opposed to the more curled European variety. Dang! It dangles! Don't know about Koreans. But Japanese - the more interesting ones are usually nicely trimmed or shaved. I asked my (Japanese) wife for a more informed view, and she says that this is not commonly so, only amongst the hentai crowd. But that's the crowd we prefer.




Note : I also agree with Zhuren, this duck stuff has gone too far - need to get it stamped out.

When is duck season?

Pizdyets
11-01-08, 14:12
Your reputation precedes you. Whenever I have been to Maggies with you and SammyT, price was never discussed with the girls I took. They just assumed that if I was with you guys, I knew the deal and they would be treated fairly.


First girl I took home from Maggies was a Mongolian named Sana. Naturally I had assumed she was a WG, but was drunk enough that I hadn't remembered to negotiate the price in advance. Once we returned to my hotel, I took my shower first, and (stupidly) left my wallet on the bathroom counter. Sana went in for her shower and called to me, then handed me my wallet, saying "you forgot this". I counted after she returned to the bathroom. Not a single Mao was missing. After fucking her delightful little body twice and crawling on top for a third round, she said "wait... are you going to pay me?" I replied "Of course." And she said, "Okay, let's go!" No more talk about price, and when she left late the next morning, I simply handed her 8 Red Maos in a roll, which she didn't bother to count (at least in my presence). I suppose I could have gotten 2 rounds for free...

Two nights later, Sana came up to me in Maggies to say hi. Having downed a few too many Long Islands, I didn't recognize her, and not surprisingly she got pissed and walked off. Yeah, I'm an asshole...

Pizdyets
11-01-08, 14:38
True. I don't count myself as one of the fanatical "shave everything" camp (hey, I'm a degenerate from the hippie generation, and we shaved our GFs back when, it's old hat.) But thickets of bush can be a nuisance. Especially because Asian hair commonly is straight as opposed to the more curled European variety. Dang! It dangles! Don't know about Koreans. But Japanese - the more interesting ones are usually nicely trimmed or shaved. I asked my (Japanese) wife for a more informed view, and she says that this is not commonly so, only amongst the hentai crowd. But that's the crowd we prefer.

I've had some Chinese GFs that shaved and some that didn't. I asked the ones who didn't why they didn't, and they replied "my doctor would think I was a sl ut!" (well, if the shoe fits... but I digress) Luckily, most of my GFs who didn't shave were also hairless (or nearly so) below the clit, which made for hours and hours of penetration pleasure, so I can't really complain.

Sebastian My
11-02-08, 04:20
I've had some Chinese GFs that shaved and some that didn't. I asked the ones who didn't why they didn't, and they replied "my doctor would think I was a sl ut!" (well, if the shoe fits... but I digress) Luckily, most of my GFs who didn't shave were also hairless (or nearly so) below the clit, which made for hours and hours of penetration pleasure, so I can't really complain.

I have heard the same thing from my Korean female friends, they don't shave because if they did - the girls in the sauna would think they were sluts. The Korean guys would say hair was a sign of good health – so no hair – bad health???
When I lived in Seoul with my 2nd wife, a totally blond and totally hairless Scandinavian (she waxed you know what). She always wondered why the girls in the sauna would look totally shocked when they saw her private parts in the communal shower. Once she learnt a bit of Korean and found out they all thought she was some type of high class hooker, she stopped going to the sauna.
I think the Indians are similar, I took some Indian clients to a high class laptop dancing place in London. They had never been to London before so I selected a Danish girl for a special dance for the boss. It seems she also did the wax thing and when Sanjeev* came back he was a white as a sheet muttering – “no hair, none at all”. Never seen an Indian white as a sheet before!
The joys of inter-culture relations.

* = Not his real name, but to get the point across I needed an Indian name.

But I digress, some of the long time real Russians (Not Uzbeks) are back in town. Not at Hollywood - the long timers always avoid that place because they prefer western male company. You may find them at the Den after mid-night on Friday or Saturday. Most of them were at Absentia on Hollowen (not for business, just to have a bit of clean Christian fun). The Uzbeks still can't get visa's – so until they can, Hollywood will remain dead as a door nail.

Bad Boy Billy
11-02-08, 05:06
The Korean guys would say hair was a sign of good health – so no hair – bad health???Same Same Chinese.

Had a 25yo part time model / full time fashion designer Chinese G/F in Shanghai 2 years ago - saw her continually for 18 months - would only evere TRIM but not shave.

Simple answer - traditional Chinese view is that shaved pussy means only 1 thing - sickness in pussy region - reproductory problems or STD's - either / either.

Changing last few years to some degree due to overall more openess / adoptionof 'western' trends - many young Chinese girls now shave because they see it on internet / in magazines etc.

Much better idea - recently spent 4 days in Changping in Sth China - bowled over 4 girls each day - have been spitting out pubes for last 3 weeks.

Pizdyets
11-02-08, 05:50
But I digress, some of the long time real Russians (Not Uzbeks) are back in town. Not at Hollywood - the long timers always avoid that place because they prefer western male company. You may find them at the Den after mid-night on Friday or Saturday. Most of them were at Absentia on Hollowen (not for business, just to have a bit of clean Christian fun). The Uzbeks still can't get visa's – so until they can, Hollywood will remain dead as a door nail.

I have yet to meet any nice Russian girls in BJ, and it's not for lack of looking (Hollywood, The Den, Vic's, Suzy's... and Maggie's back in the day). Lots of them seem to be on something (coke or X, I suspect), and the rest are stuck-up bitches (or suchki, as we call them back home). Most hilarious is how they try to distance themselves from their homeland. I've gone up to more than one before, with a friendly "Privet - kak dela?" (Hey, how's it going?) And gotten a blank stare, then (in English) "fine." And then they try to pass themselves off as Moscovites, which is doubly hilarious since I start asking them about where they live, favorite restaurants, etc and they have no clue about Moscow.

Anyway, my own experience has shown that it's better (and a lot more economical) to stick with local girls, wherever you are.

SE Asia Joe
11-02-08, 09:55
Changing last few years to some degree due to overall more openess / adoptionof 'western' trends - many young Chinese girls now shave because they see it on internet / in magazines etc.

Much better idea - recently spent 4 days in Changping in Sth China - bowled over 4 girls each day - have been spitting out pubes for last 3 weeks.
FOCRISSSAKES - you guys stop mutilating our young maidens!!

To me, there is nothing more disgusting that having to do a gal who's got stubbles; those who shaved a couple or so days ago - for after all, how many times a week can a gal shave without doing some real damage to her skin?!! Like putting my dick into a hedgehog. Go down on her?? WHATTTT??? And risk getting my face all sand papered up?? That's the main reason why I do NOT enjoy mongering in LOS and the PI as much as before - all them shaved and stubbly pussies.

I was in my very early teens when Playboy didn't show any pubic hair at all - and OHMIGAWD - any picture that even showed a wisp of Pubic hair (obtained from dark and dingy places and always afraid of being busted for even possessing such!!)) was truly priceless. And when it and Penthouse started showing pubic hair - I'd be horny practically all the time!

Besides which - liking shaved pussies - at least to me - shows nothing more than a sort of paedophilic inclination (sorry - just IMHO!!).

OK OK - once a while (not during the Chinese New Year period or around my birthday) - I would specifically go on the hunt for "White Tigers." Now white tigers - they are a different kettle of fish by itself. Truly smooth, truly hairless, usually accompanied by the slightest of pink coloring and as sweet as the monring dew!! Ain't nuthin wrong with having paedophillic inclinations with these sweet and fragrant buds. No, ain't nuthin wrong with white tigers - but shaved pussies??? YUCK!!

SEAJ

Bad Boy Billy
11-02-08, 23:47
I would specifically go on the hunt for "White Tigers." Now white tigers - they are a different kettle of fish by itself. Truly smooth, truly hairless, usually accompanied by the slightest of pink coloring and as sweet as the monring dew!! SEAJJoe - only ever had 1 'white tiger' myself and it wasn't in China - Philippines - pic attached - so is that a 'brown tiger'?

Now mate I need to spend a couple of days in CP with you - at least you can teach me the basic Chinese words I need.

But I gotta tell you - if I hear the words "pink colour....................pink colour" one more time I think I will go crackers.

Beijing Fox
11-03-08, 09:05
Nice shots. Is it before and after going to Greece?




Joe - only ever had 1 'white tiger' myself and it wasn't in China - Philippines - pic attached - so is that a 'brown tiger'?

Now mate I need to spend a couple of days in CP with you - at least you can teach me the basic Chinese words I need.

But I gotta tell you - if I hear the words "pink colour....................pink colour" one more time I think I will go crackers.

SE Asia Joe
11-03-08, 09:30
Nice shots. Is it before and after going to Greece?

YUP - DITTO!!

Damn - but I don't have any pictures of any 100% White Tigers. Only 90% max White. Damn!

The last one I did was a year or so ago - BEFORE I got hooked on taking pictures of gals.

OK - gotta hunt me up some now!

SEAJ

Mark17
11-03-08, 17:05
Joe - only ever had 1 'white tiger' myself and it wasn't in China - Philippines - pic attached - so is that a 'brown tiger'?

Now mate I need to spend a couple of days in CP with you - at least you can teach me the basic Chinese words I need.

But I gotta tell you - if I hear the words "pink colour....................pink colour" one more time I think I will go crackers.That looks good enough to eat.

Bad Boy Billy
11-03-08, 22:09
Nice shots. Is it before and after going to Greece?Billy never PLUGS and TELLS.

Sebastian My
11-05-08, 02:32
Did a quick tour of the remnants of the monger trail and there are signs of recovery. The typical starting location, the pig, seems well on its way to its former glory. I sighted my first white head at Hollywood, but its still far from its former glory(sic). I also noticed the helpful lady's offering home delivery services were slowly coming back to the streets around some of the major hotels. However, I suspect it will be several more weeks before things get to the point where I will venture out again to explore.

I did not bother to go past Maggies, I am assuming its still closed. I fear maggies will end up like the old passion bar – closed for over a year and re-opened under new management. I hope not!

Viajando Musico
11-06-08, 03:44
I have yet to meet any nice Russian girls in BJ, and it's not for lack of looking (Hollywood, The Den, Vic's, Suzy's... and Maggie's back in the day). Lots of them seem to be on something (coke or X, I suspect), and the rest are stuck-up bitches (or suchki, as we call them back home). Most hilarious is how they try to distance themselves from their homeland. I've gone up to more than one before, with a friendly "Privet - kak dela?" (Hey, how's it going?) And gotten a blank stare, then (in English) "fine." And then they try to pass themselves off as Moscovites, which is doubly hilarious since I start asking them about where they live, favorite restaurants, etc and they have no clue about Moscow.

Anyway, my own experience has shown that it's better (and a lot more economical) to stick with local girls, wherever you are.

Or head for macau if Russians are what you are after. I had some very good experiences with Russians in the saunas in Macau. many of them provide much better services than the stuck-up Russians you find in BJ.

I've heard some Russians working in Inner Mongolia cities like Manzhouli or Heihe, anybody got info on this?

Pizdyets
11-06-08, 13:07
Or head for macau if Russians are what you are after. I had some very good experiences with Russians in the saunas in Macau. many of them provide much better services than the stuck-up Russians you find in BJ.


Or maybe I'll walk out my front door (I live in Moscow) :)

But I concur that the saunas in Macau kick ass. Good call, VM.

On another note, now that the Olympics are over, where is a good place to pick up foreigner-friendly freebies? I don't have the time or patience to do the ICQ/Skype/CraigsList thing, and prefer to hit bars/clubs with a mix of locals and expats. For example, I've had decent luck at Vic's and Suzy's in the past. Any other suggestions?

Schubba
11-07-08, 10:22
In Macau you can also meet out sweet sisters from the North. Actually I enjoyed a good time with 2 in a Disco and I saw another 3 when we left the disco. My 2 friends invited me to their apartment early in the morning 7am and stayed/slept (or what ever you can do) there until 5pm, as I had to go Hongkong. Compared to stay in the saunas, this was much more fun. One of them was really pretty and sweet, and I really like to her see again. She can surely compete with her sisters in Beijing. These girls just have something that you cannot find at Chinese girls. I love them. I never tried Russians so I don't know, but I have my impressions.

OldAsiaHand
11-07-08, 11:35
Pizdyets,

I have no experience in Beijing, but have had very good luck in Shenzhen and Guangzhou at English Corners. The girls all want to practice their English and one thing can lead to another. That said, it can take a bit of time to score and some will waste your time just to practice.

Just my POV.

OAH


Or maybe I'll walk out my front door (I live in Moscow) :)

But I concur that the saunas in Macau kick ass. Good call, VM.

On another note, now that the Olympics are over, where is a good place to pick up foreigner-friendly freebies? I don't have the time or patience to do the ICQ/Skype/CraigsList thing, and prefer to hit bars/clubs with a mix of locals and expats. For example, I've had decent luck at Vic's and Suzy's in the past. Any other suggestions?

Phantomtiger2
11-08-08, 02:33
Did a quick search and couldn't find as much info (listing)as I like for real traditional massage places only (without any sex,happy endings or HJ etc.) Most posts on this subject were either outdated or most places provided "extras".
I will be traveling with a cousin to both Beijing and Shanghai for personal reasons, he just got married several months ago and have not gotten out of his mind that "sex" when new wife is not around is ok (at least in my book).So far he's got to obey Strict orders from new wifey who knows that sex in china is easy so he can only go to legit places. He's only interested in having a decent traditional massage at a good price, for me -the cheaper the price the better as I will save the rest of the money and go to UN-traditional massage places with happier endings when he's not around.
Don't care if it is oiled or not. Provide a list if you can, otherwise PM me.

Also, places with cuter gals and not male or grandma types giving the massage will help.

Since I will also be in Shanghai, I will repeat this post there.

BTW: feels weird asking about places without sex???-must be symptoms of sex withdrawal??

Thanks in advance guys,

PT

DogRice
11-08-08, 10:13
Phantomtiger2,

Liang Zi ( 良 子 健 身 ) is a famous legit massage chain in Beijing. They have foot massage and full-body. You can ask your hotel to find the one near your hotel.

99 Center Massage (South of Kerry Center) is another legit massage center.


Did a quick search and couldn't find as much info (listing)as I like for real traditional massage places only (without any sex,happy endings or HJ etc.) Most posts on this subject were either outdated or most places provided "extras".

I will be traveling with a cousin to both Beijing and Shanghai for personal reasons, he just got married several months ago and have not gotten out of his mind that "sex" when new wife is not around is ok (at least in my book).So far he's got to obey Strict orders from new wifey who knows that sex in china is easy so he can only go to legit places. He's only interested in having a decent traditional massage at a good price, for me -the cheaper the price the better as I will save the rest of the money and go to UN-traditional massage places with happier endings when he's not around.
Don't care if it is oiled or not. Provide a list if you can, otherwise PM me.

Also, places with cuter gals and not male or grandma types giving the massage will help.

Since I will also be in Shanghai, I will repeat this post there.

BTW: feels weird asking about places without sex???-must be symptoms of sex withdrawal??

Thanks in advance guys,

PT

Bad Boy Billy
11-08-08, 22:59
Virtually no reports in past week - amazing - a city of nigh on 20 mil people and nobody fucks there nowadays.

UNBELIEVABLE.

And to think - those of us who continually reported on Maggies were chastised as being one dimensional.

Here we are - 7 or 8 months after Maggies closes and seems like there is not one pussy flapping in the breeze in Beijing nowadays.

Any wonder regular mongers are giving Beijing a wide berth - any wonder the Mongol sisters are seeking patronage in far flung destinations - fuck I miss Maggies.

The Tanuki
11-09-08, 04:12
Virtually no reports in past week - amazing - a city of nigh on 20 mil people and nobody fucks there nowadays.

UNBELIEVABLE.

And to think - those of us who continually reported on Maggies were chastised as being one dimensional.

Well, the last post got put up some 9 days ago from the city in Incred!ble India where I was stuck. Really sad there... The only thing that made the time there worthwhile was the free whiskey in the hotel happy hours. At least there was the one night in KL on the way out. Nice little babe from northern PI. :p

T

Wujohn
11-09-08, 07:12
Firstly, a shout out to Taiwan Jack and other forum friend (sorry don’t know your forum name) for a great time at Red Dragon last week.

The absence of forum posts in the last week or so is evidence only that nothing is going on for the one-dimensional supporters of the once great but now defunct Maggies. It does not signify that others are not getting plenty. And for as little time as I spending Beijing, I get plenty without having to live vicariously through forum posts.

From talking with Taiwan Jack, I realise there are many new places I have not yet investigated so there is plenty out there.

Have fun y’all.

Bowerboy
11-09-08, 11:31
Dear All

I have to move to China for my job..if given the choice would i bebeter to go to Shanghai or Beijing? It would seem that Shanghai is better for the hobby...would apreciate anyones thoughts on this.

Currently i am living in Bangkok so I realise that anywhere after here will seem quite on the hobby front!!! Bangkok is a sexual disneyland, life is a pure fantasy here and the thought of leaving fills me with drad and some depression..i think the only place that could equal Bangkok is Jakarta..

Anyway, i really appreciate anyones thoughts on whether Shanghai is a better place to live and monger than Beijing.

OldAsiaHand
11-09-08, 12:14
Dear All

I have to move to China for my job..if given the choice would i bebeter to go to Shanghai or Beijing? It would seem that Shanghai is better for the hobby...would apreciate anyones thoughts on this.

Currently i am living in Bangkok so I realise that anywhere after here will seem quite on the hobby front!!! Bangkok is a sexual disneyland, life is a pure fantasy here and the thought of leaving fills me with drad and some depression..i think the only place that could equal Bangkok is Jakarta..

Anyway, i really appreciate anyones thoughts on whether Shanghai is a better place to live and monger than Beijing.

Bowerboy,

Having lived in all three places; Bangkok, Beijing, Shanghai, I am going to say Shanghai. That said, if you are into doing Mongolians and Russians, you will not find very many in Shanghai.

The weather in Beijing is an issue for me; cold, dry and dusty winters. Shanghai is without question a more cosmopolitan city than Beijing and thus more suitable for expatriates.

IMHO, there is a wider variety of mongering opportunities in Shanghai. The BBS action is more concentrated, plenty of FS saunas at more reasonable prices than Beijing, and its fill of KTV, albeit expensive compared to South China. That said, both places are more expensive for mongering than South China. What is missing in Shanghai is Maggies and Hollywood, however, this seems to be a mute point for the moment.

Just my POV.

OAH

Zhuren
11-09-08, 18:20
Ok, ok, ok.

So in the name of scientific research, I interviewed a panel of Northern Sisters in Beijing about their new habits (not the nun type) and nightly migratory movements.

They all agree to the following:

Start at the Pig at around 8 or 9.
Move to Swing at around 10 (considered dangerous due to LE presence)
Possibly Absent or China Doll at 11
End the night upstairs at the Den

Maggies is still being sorely missed. Rumors to the effect that it will re-open the following month have been around since March, and from what we are hearing, it won't change for a while.

They all agree to business being down due to fewer laoweis in town with less cash burning in their pockets. Guess the monetary malaise affects us all.





Virtually no reports in past week - amazing - a city of nigh on 20 mil people and nobody fucks there nowadays.

UNBELIEVABLE.

And to think - those of us who continually reported on Maggies were chastised as being one dimensional.

Here we are - 7 or 8 months after Maggies closes and seems like there is not one pussy flapping in the breeze in Beijing nowadays.

Any wonder regular mongers are giving Beijing a wide berth - any wonder the Mongol sisters are seeking patronage in far flung destinations - fuck I miss Maggies.

The Tanuki
11-09-08, 22:16
Ok, ok, ok.

So in the name of scientific research, I interviewed a panel of Northern Sisters in Beijing about their new habits (not the nun type) and nightly migratory movements.
OMG, you do 3 Sisters together to flaunt in front of poor wankless BBB and call it research? You should be proud (or is it ashamed?) of yourself, sir!! :p




They all agree to the following:

Start at the Pig at around 8 or 9.
Move to Swing at around 10 (considered dangerous due to LE presence)
Possibly Absent or China Doll at 11
End the night upstairs at the Den


I'd agree that anything in Sanlitun is on the riskier side. Nice to see the Den getting some attention at last. The fuggly ones hanging there will have to move on to the massage business I guess. Anything going on at Cafe Del Mar or Bar One these days?

Tankuki

Bad Boy Billy
11-10-08, 00:23
OMG, you do 3 Sisters together to flaunt in front of poor wankless BBB and call it research?I think maybe Zhuren simply 'interviewed' the girls.

BBB also 'interviewed' these 3 girls in Angeles 2 weeks ago.

Beijing once apon a time was Billy's second favourite destination behind only Rio.

Unfortunately Beijing today is best avoided - unless of course it cannot be avoided - yes I know some of you poor helpless souls are still trapped in the 'Beijing re-education compound' with little or no chance of salvation.

But do not despair - there is a hope for you guys.

OAH introduced me to Changping a month or so back - am booked and headed back there Jan 18 - any of you guys want to join me for 4 nights of depravity?

All Chinese girls - and nothing like the Mongols - but at RMB200 a pop in your hotel room it cannot be beat price wise.

Send me a pm if interested.