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Hi guys,
I am new here, got few questions.
I landed in Beijing few days ago, now starting to feel pressure. I am reading this forum, trying to find some usefull guids but I have problem with search system, so I think I will just ask.
Did anyone of you used Sayoli? Is it the famous Lily that's being recomended in this thread? What is the price there for standard sex and massage?
Also could someone be so kind and explain to me all the short cuts? For example FS, LT BBBJ and so on? English isn't my nativ languge and as I said before, search system here aint great.
Thanks for help.
Ps. Does anyone here know are girls here runing health checks regulary? Same for example like in Holand? Chinaisnice:
The normal reply to this question is RTFF. Another abbreviation! If you look at the top of the header the last item is "Abbreviations". You can find all the information there. Including what RTFF means.
Woodman
No regular health checks here. Even if they say they are, it's probably not true. BBBJ is common, uncovered FS is common locally. Girls saying they only go bareback with their boyfriend is common, but then they don't seem to realize they boyfriend has probably barebacked 20 girls that month.
Ps. Does anyone here know are girls here runing health checks regulary? Same for example like in Holand?
ChinaIsNice
02-26-11, 04:30
Kajos, Woodman ty for your posts. Noted conetent.
But one question had not been aswered, guys I seek contact with Lily's when I type it in google, I get many resultes, all claim to be the one. Is it Sayoli? If not how do I find it? What are the prices?
Cheers
Anonymous All
02-26-11, 11:00
Yeah, right.
Nice try man, or maybe woman, whatever.
You mislead the thread. Classified ads are little bit above.
AFOriginal posting may be pushing it a bit, but in general I've had good to great experiences with Angel's girls. Certainly in comparison to Maria, but haven't really tried others. The pictures on Angel's site are not real but the attitudes and service makes up for it in my view. Not a veteran by far but just my two cents.
Just finished a report under the "Classified Section", but decided to post it here as the below post recommends the services.
Angel In Beijing
Originally Posted by Angel Lui
Our rates are very reasonable. For the first 60 minutes with FULL service, our price is RMB 500 for the Girl-Next-Door, RMB 800 or RMB 1, 000 for Models quality, excluding taxi fare. There are no other extra charges. We also provide overnight packages. If somehow there is no chemistry between you and my friend, you just need to pay for her taxi fare, and we'll get you a replacement right away. You can check out my website, just google Angels In Beijing.
Call me or SMS me at +86 13520288017 at anytime of the day or night.
I am here in Beijing for just a couple of days, and decided to give this service a call due to business associates in my hotel. I decided to take the advice of other Forum Members and went for the RMB 500 package. Upon my call I was told thae RMB 500 rate was for last year. I was then told the new rate was RMB 850. I reminded her that the ad is ISG was only less than a week old and said RMB 500. Long story short. We agreed to RMB 650 including taxi fare. To be succinct, I would not recommend this service at any price. The experience was a disaster in EVERY way, except the girl did show up on time.
Will not repeat or recommend them to any ISG Member!
WOODMAN
I got a text from the one I FR'ed below. She's happy to do outcall directly, PM me for her mobile number. Should be cheaper by going direct to her, I didn't ask but was implied. Also available around lunch time most days.
WJ massage center inside NE 4th ring road does good to great 90 min oil massage + HJ for rmb 160 plus taxi fare. They do incall or outcall to hotel or apt, have been mentioned on this forum several times. PM me if you need the contact info. The girls are almost always 18 to 25, some GFE, often a bit chubby or baby fat. Usually don't mind groping and a few will titjob / BJ. Let them start the massage then feel out the situation when you flip over. Don't expect it with every girl.
I called the other day and asked for a skinny one and instead they sent over an ex-Sauna girl (I mean was probably a sauna girl back in the 1990s hahaha). So-so massage for about 5 mins then she asked for a cup of warm water. Then it was very nice tit massage, catbath, the most hardcore AR I've ever had, reach-around, lots of ball sucking, and an offer for anal (hers not mine) for RMB 5000. I laughed and she said that's what the koreans pay and I said I'm not korean, she dropped it down to 1000, I kept laughing. At this point she's talking too much so flip to good BBBJ, more AR, more BBBJ. Regular FS usually avail, but not this time of month. Service was excellent but way too talkative. Good shower afterwards and she volunteers to finish up last 10 mins with head and neck massage. Would not RTF but can recommend if you don't mind older lady (mid-upper 30s?) with small frame and bit of a belly.
PM me for her info or other recs from this shop. Any other members here have favorites?
ChinaIsNice
02-27-11, 10:53
Guys. Can anyone help me to find contact with famous Lily's? Good old google comes with to many results, all claim to be the one. Adress? Phone number? Web page?
Lilys service here seems to be most recomended here, this is my first time with escort and I don't want to get bad impresion.
Hopes you can help.
Regards,
CIN
I got to Beijing yesterday morning called a Northern friend for some afternoon fun. Spent the afernoon in bed then she went home for a few hours and then we met for dinner around 9 and then went to Maggies. I am not impressed with the new layout as they completely deystroyed the atmosphere. We just had a few drinks and played pool but although there seemed to be more Maggies girls there than ever before. Two of them had some poor guy buying bottles of Champayne just like old times. A few Northern sisters but not many were present and in the 3 hours that I was there I did not see 1 girl leave with a guy. One fresh face was trying to get 2000 rmb from a guy next to me but wasn't having any luck. Went home with my friend about 1:30AM and other than pool players it was dead. Overall I think they have ruined Maggies but if you are a pool player you probably are happy. Normally I went to Maggies for other reasons than playing pool.
Bad Boy Billy
02-28-11, 05:23
Canada how long you in town for? I will arrive Thursday eve for 4 nights if you still around.
Anybody seen or heard from Samantha T lately?
What about his gay girlfriend / boyfriend. Stephanie James aka Jessica James. Have not seen hide nor hair of him / her since he / she came out of the closet.
ChinaIsNice
02-28-11, 07:53
ChinBro, thanks, worked like a charm, will provide report after service.
Cheers
ChinaIsNice
02-28-11, 11:03
Well my plans got ruined by my buisness partner here in China. He wants to get last diner before my leave. Damn, will have to wait with report to the next year, thanks for help anyway guys and take care.
i spent a week in bj couple of weeks ago. unfortunately i did not get to discover the city by my own to much since the schedule was tight. decided to try angels services where i got a girl sent to my hotel couple of times, last time for an overnight booking. i can only confirm the good reviews for angel in this site. however you need to be very specific for what you want and repeat several times to be sure. if you want an english speeking girl this must also be specified. my last girl did not speek english at all, however the experience was very good even without to much talking.
It is People's Congress time again in Beijing, so everything is going to slow down. For example, the Lido will not be allowing girls in the Pig until the end of March, so plan your travel accordingly.
JessieJames and I have been making the rounds. Hollywood / Absenta has had several Russian girls lately, including some new faces. They seem to be showing up a little later these days (around 10) , and head to Chocolate around midnight. Chocolate still does their dance show around 12:30 – kinda like a strip show, but the girls don't strip. It is worth checking out.
Maggie's has been re-designed, and now features a live band 6 days a week (off Sunday). The band is from the Philippines, and plays the same music the Maggie's DJ typically played in the past. They are not bad. The layout is a little awkward, and when I was there on Saturday night there must have been 3 guys for every girl. That being said, there were several girls there, with some fresh faces. It is certainly a seller's market. I am not sure how this is affecting prices, but buyer beware.
I am thinking of hosting an event Thursday night. If anyone is interested in attending please send me an SMS, or PM me your mobile number. These events are very discreet, and are a good opportunity to meet some of the other guys on the board in-the-flesh, as well as socialize with some of the regulars from Maggie's. Maybe I'll get Angel to send over some of her girls so we can settle the debate once and for all if the different price points actually deliver different quality of girls, or if it is always the same girls regardless of what you pay!
Have fun, and be safe,
Sammy
It is People's Congress time again in Beijing, so everything is going to slow down. For example, the Lido will not be allowing girls in the Pig until the end of March, so plan your travel accordingly.Hi Sammy, does this mean that most MPs will stop providing "minor" extra serices such as HJ?
Thanks!
I am thinking of hosting an event Thursday night. If anyone is interested in attending please send me an SMS, or PM me your mobile number. These events are very discreet, and are a good opportunity to meet some of the other guys on the board in-the-flesh, as well as socialize with some of the regulars from Maggie's. Maybe I'll get Angel to send over some of her girls so we can settle the debate once and for all if the different price points actually deliver different quality of girls, or if it is always the same girls regardless of what you pay!
Have fun, and be safe,
SammySorry to miss the meet this time Sammy. I am a currently a little too far. Next time I drop by I guess I am not going to get student discount anymore. Finally pulling my own weight.
I am thinking of hosting an event Thursday night. If anyone is interested in attending please send me an SMS, or PM me your mobile number. These events are very discreet, and are a good opportunity to meet some of the other guys on the board in-the-flesh, as well as socialize with some of the regulars from Maggie's. Maybe I'll get Angel to send over some of her girls so we can settle the debate once and for all if the different price points actually deliver different quality of girls, or if it is always the same girls regardless of what you pay!
Have fun, and be safe,
SammyCount me in. PMed you my mobile.
Cheers,
M
I am thinking of hosting an event Thursday night. If anyone is interested in attending please send me an SMS, or PM me your mobile number. These events are very discreet, and are a good opportunity to meet some of the other guys on the board in-the-flesh, as well as socialize with some of the regulars from Maggie's. Maybe I'll get Angel to send over some of her girls so we can settle the debate once and for all if the different price points actually deliver different quality of girls, or if it is always the same girls regardless of what you pay!
Have fun, and be safe,
Sammy[/QUOTE]I will be in Beijing Thursday 10 March (this is the wrong Thursday right.) If this is a reocurring event I would love to meet up. /you can reach me at [Email address deleted by Admin]
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Hi Sammy, does this mean that most MPs will stop providing "minor" extra serices such as HJ?
Thanks! During the People's Congress meeting most small massage parlors / barbershops will be closed. I think most saunas will only offer special services to long term customers.
Good Luck!
Traveller China
03-03-11, 09:13
Guys, I have been chatting with a nice lady who is seeking a second leg on her career. She is late 20s. 162 cm tall and has a smile to die for. Sichuan flower with a killer spark in her eyes. It pains me that I am not in Beijing now to ease her into a second career myself!
She has a good career already, and is doing this more to add spice to her life and to get some excitement. That being said, she is NOT a freebie. Clean shaved, legs like lollipops, B cups by the look of it and a good attitude. Speaks English fluently, is a bit of a yoga-bunny so she is toned. Due to her regular career, she is not available all the time so planning is required.
I get nothing from this. This is more like a David_33 deal (read the Peru forum is that does not make sense to you) where I simply make arrangements and the rest is up to you. Anyone thinking less than RMB 1, 000 need not PM me.
Others, with a good record of treating ladies well, and who preferably live in BJ, can PM me and I will divulge the email address you can reach her on. Please include a brief description of yourself in your PM so that I can let her choose whom she wants to contact. Once you are connected, you are on your own. I know of one member here who has now had the pleasure of her company. As far as I hear, he will need surgery to get the smile off his face today! .
Dutchboy7908
03-04-11, 03:55
Gentleman,
After feeling I needed amassage with a happy ending I searched the forum for some new places. Latest posting concerning this subject was somewhere in 2009. So I went and revisited WangJing over the last days. I can say principle is the same. You order the 90 mins 168rmb oil massage and you get a decent massage finished with a nice handjob.
Yesterday night I went to building 325 and the girl (she didn't have a number unfortunately) really sucked and licked my balls while helping me to a nice orgasm. And after cleaning up continued to give me a massage. They won't give you the full 90 mins but altogether it takes about an hour.
Similair services are still offered in Bld 323 and 419. Shortly I will check out the other buildings. Cheap safe and very satisfying!
Rgrds,
Dutchboy
I am in Shanghai for a few days enjoying Manhatten among others which was great last night. I will be going to Almaty, KZ for a few days and will be back in Beijing next Friday. I probably will miss you.
Canada how long you in town for? I will arrive Thursday eve for 4 nights if you still around.
Anybody seen or heard from Samantha T lately?
What about his gay girlfriend / boyfriend. Stephanie James aka Jessica James. Have not seen hide nor hair of him / her since he / she came out of the closet.
Hey guys. First time here in the China forum for me.
I have a trip to China coming up the end of April and was hoping to make the most of it. But after reading through this forum I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth trying.
I'm flying into Beijing at 11:30PM, and I only have about 12 hours before my significant other flies in as well. Staying at a hotel near the airport that is so new that nobody here seems to have used it or any idea the security situation. (Days Inn, airport). Plus, since it seems all guests have to register after 11:00, outcall may be complicated. Especially since I don't speak the language.
Any advise on my options? Or should I just go to sleep when I get to hotel?
LZ
Hello, sports fans. This is my first post in years, and I haven't even been in Beijing since late 2007. Lived in Shanghai for a few years, then moved back to the states.
Looking forward to seeing BJ all new and shiny and (still polluted). I'm so old I'm looking forward to the food more than the tail, but I'll still be trying to get in as much trouble as I can. Read a few pages of reports; looks like Maggies is a whole new ball of wax, but I'll still go if just for the good music and Heinekens. Maybe some of the old horde will be around. Will also hit the Den and maybe the Pig. Anybody ever stay in touch with CeeCee, she of the insanely cute face, Princess attitude, and dancing that had men and women dropping their jaws in amazement and jealousy, at HRC? She had already become sort of high mileage a few years ago, but her personality was great and we got along fabulously.
Or Khazik Maria, the cute as a button blonde? Long shots I know.
Main question would be this: any bars with US microbrews? Or with good selections of quality bourbons?
Cheers, twill be good to be back in the Jing
RandyM1991
03-07-11, 03:31
Hello, sports fans. This is my first post in years, and I haven't even been in Beijing since late 2007. Lived in Shanghai for a few years, then moved back to the states.
Looking forward to seeing BJ all new and shiny and (still polluted). I'm so old I'm looking forward to the food more than the tail, but I'll still be trying to get in as much trouble as I can. Read a few pages of reports; looks like Maggies is a whole new ball of wax, but I'll still go if just for the good music and Heinekens. Maybe some of the old horde will be around. Will also hit the Den and maybe the Pig. Anybody ever stay in touch with CeeCee, she of the insanely cute face, Princess attitude, and dancing that had men and women dropping their jaws in amazement and jealousy, at HRC? She had already become sort of high mileage a few years ago, but her personality was great and we got along fabulously.
Or Khazik Maria, the cute as a button blonde? Long shots I know.
Main question would be this: any bars with US microbrews? Or with good selections of quality bourbons?
Cheers, twill be good to be back in the JingI would recommend the Tumble Inn which is located in the Village at Sanlitun (Across from Blue Frog). This place is more of a UK type of pub / sportsbar but they have hundreds of different beers including some US Microbrews. They would also have any bourbons (Jack Daniels of course) or Scotch's. Enjoy!
Was in town over the lunar new year and of course everything was pretty much closed down. Even some hotels I stayed the in-house facilities were shut. In desperation I tried Suzie Wongs, spoke to someone with pretty good English, asked for girl next door / college girl type with some English. Quoted 500/800/1200 as per the site. I went for 2 hours for 800, receptionist said I could upgrade to overnight if I liked the girl. Girl arrived in about 40 minutes, cute 20 something, slim with small but natural breasts, good English. Had a bit of an attitude at first, said the price was for 2 pops not 2 hours, no overnight possible, too tired to start with massage. However I was nice to her and she warmed up considerably and we ended up having a good time. 2 pops, multiple positions, BBJ on offer but not CBJ (said the taste of the lubricant makes her sick). Even gave me a bit of a massage after the second pop. Said she would overnight with me next time if I gave her some notice but book through Suzie. Maybe I got lucky but it worked out OK and price seemed Ok for the service.
Lot of craigslist girls still advertising in other sections now. Haven't tried on this trip but mixed results previously. Anyone tried recently?
K.
Seems the only available w.hores in Beijing now are from Lily's and Angel's stable - woo hoo - we all know the great value from those origins.
I know of one member here who has now had the pleasure of her company. As far as I hear, he will need surgery to get the smile off his face today! .Ok I will take the bait. Please reply to your pm's.
Hello, sports fans. This is my first post in years, and I haven't even been in Beijing since late 2007. Lived in Shanghai for a few years, then moved back to the states.
Looking forward to seeing BJ all new and shiny and (still polluted). I'm so old I'm looking forward to the food more than the tail, but I'll still be trying to get in as much trouble as I can. Read a few pages of reports; looks like Maggies is a whole new ball of wax, but I'll still go if just for the good music and Heinekens. Maybe some of the old horde will be around. Will also hit the Den and maybe the Pig. Anybody ever stay in touch with CeeCee, she of the insanely cute face, Princess attitude, and dancing that had men and women dropping their jaws in amazement and jealousy, at HRC? She had already become sort of high mileage a few years ago, but her personality was great and we got along fabulously.
Or Khazik Maria, the cute as a button blonde? Long shots I know.
Main question would be this: any bars with US microbrews? Or with good selections of quality bourbons?
Cheers, twill be good to be back in the JingLao Ma.
Welcome back to Beijing! While I do not think we ever met, I remember your posts well! I have not seen CeeCee at the HRC in a couple of years. Same goes for little Maria. Still, there are some girls worth checking out if you can find them. The Pig will not allow girls until after the people's congress, so I would give it a skip. Most of the girls from The Pig will turn up at the Hard Rock around 10ish. Maggie's seems to get going later and later. Now that Maggie's has a band the crowd seems to be coming earlier, but the ratio is normally 3 guys to every girl. Most of the guys are just there to look, but because of this ratio the girls think they can keep prices high. It is for this reason that most deals do not get closed until late. All of the voyeurs have left by then so the girls will lower their price. Not too good for those of us that like to get a good night sleep. The Den seems to be the place for a late night / early morning meal for our Northern Sisters.
Good luck! Maybe we can meet for a beer this time!
Sammy
Mtraveller
03-08-11, 04:05
Go to bed. Impossible to get a girl near the airport. Outcall will not deliver so late.
You would need to stay in town close to Maggies to get a chance after 12pm.
Hey guys. First time here in the China forum for me.
I have a trip to China coming up the end of April and was hoping to make the most of it. But after reading through this forum I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth trying.
I'm flying into Beijing at 11:30PM, and I only have about 12 hours before my significant other flies in as well. Staying at a hotel near the airport that is so new that nobody here seems to have used it or any idea the security situation. (Days Inn, airport). Plus, since it seems all guests have to register after 11:00, outcall may be complicated. Especially since I don't speak the language.
Any advise on my options? Or should I just go to sleep when I get to hotel?
LZ
Go to bed. Impossible to get a girl near the airport. Outcall will not deliver so late.
You would need to stay in town close to Maggies to get a chance after 12pm. To bed it is then! Figure it's best to ask those who know.
Cheers!
LZ
USCsinister
03-08-11, 07:21
I've done the Shanghai scene and am looking for something similar to the spas / saunas there with full service. Did a quick review of this message board and found info on "Blue Lake" and "Regency". Does anyone know of other high-end spots? I'll be staying at The Regent hotel so places nearby would be great.
Thanks!
Bad Boy Billy
03-08-11, 07:41
Was in Beijing 4 nights Mar 3 to 7. Boy has it deteriorated.
Maggies almost a non-event now. If you take out the town bikes. And there are plenty of them. Over half the Maggies girls there now have been there 5 years plus. And if you take out the balance of the overweight and ugly Mongolian girls you are left with very sparse pickings.
The locals guys won't tell you this. They see nothing else. You need somebody to come into town and see what is available as compared to other destinations around the globe. Maggies is now a disaster. 3 nights I went home alone. Missed a real cutie first night cause I was too slow. But I have already fucked half the girls in there and very very few new ones arriving.
Got a great Uzbek girl from Chocolate on 4th night in town. Will be hunting in Chocolate instead of Maggies in future.
Was quoted 3, 000 by one tall new girl in Maggies. 2,000 by 3 or 4 others who IMHO were the only ones there worth fucking.
Interesting that Sammy arranged his get together 3 hours before I arrived in town. Wonder what that tells me.
Lao Ma. Cee Cee was working The Den about a year or so back. Have not seen her since then. She even went to Maggies occasionally. As for HRC. Just wait til you see the ugly old Chinese hags in there. You will faint.
And as for you guys who have wasted money on those Chinese parasites called Maggies girls. For fucks sake. There are now about 30 of them working there. If you guys had left your money in your wallets they would not be there taking up valuable space.
In a nutshell. Lao Ma you just aint going to believe the quality you are going to see when you get to Maggies. Hell even the best looking girl in Maggies over the last 5 years E* has now got a guts as big as mine. I think she has put on about 8kg in last 3 months.
Maggies once had a magnetism that drew me like no other bar. Now it is so ho-hum it borders on boring.
Perhaps the only redeeming feature for Beijing maybe that the University year has now started and there may be some new talent lobbing into town - lets hope so.
Oh and by the way - will be back in town late Mar / early Apr.
Bad Boy Billy
03-08-11, 21:58
As you can see by my post below. IMHO Maggies has just totally lost it's allure. But wait. There is more:
1. Was talking to a well known Mongolian 'town bike' in Maggies and she pointed out a couple of Mongolian guys in there. Yep thats right. Apparently Maggies management again have no qualms with letting Mongolian guys inside. Some Mongolian girls now refuse to go to Maggies for that exact reason.
2. Where the fuck did Maggies management find that band? I have heard many Filipino bands in China over last 12 years or so. I think this mob are the worst I have ever heard. Just go listen to to them play then go listen to the bands in HRC. UFB.
3. With the current restricted set-up in Maggies where the large island bar is no longer open. If you are caught short and need to crap you are confrnted by a 'whole in the ground' only. No toilet to sit on. Just a fucking 'whole in the ground'. Hang your heads Maggies management. That is a disgrace. You want to attract foreign visitors with money to spend? Then start treatiung them like human beings and not animals.
4. Got a lesson in Mongolian Economics 101 the other night. Was told by a Mongol girl whom I consider to be quite intelligent that the girls have to increase prices because: a) Beijing is an expensive city to live. And b) Very few customers nowadays so prices must go up for them to survive. Fuck me. You cannot combat that logic. Just time to move on and seek greener pastures elsewhere.
5. I lent Fernando Alonso one of my best who.res - now he has gone and married her - mental note to Billy - never give a mug an even break.
The Tanuki
03-09-11, 02:11
As you can see by my post below. IMHO Maggies has just totally lost it's allure. But wait. There is more:
1. Was talking to a well known Mongolian 'town bike' in Maggies and she pointed out a couple of Mongolian guys in there. Yep thats right. Apparently Maggies management again have no qualms with letting Mongolian guys inside. Some Mongolian girls now refuse to go to Maggies for that exact reason. Yup, saw that too. There are a number of reasons why the ladies do not want to be there with Mongolian guys, but in the end it's just not a good thing for the business that used to occur there.
4. Got a lesson in Mongolian Economics 101 the other night. Was told by a Mongol girl whom I consider to be quite intelligent that the girls have to increase prices because: a) Beijing is an expensive city to live. And b) Very few customers nowadays so prices must go up for them to survive. Fuck me. You cannot combat that logic. Just time to move on and seek greener pastures elsewhere.In normal supply / demand situations, that could work. But, in this case the supply AND the demand drop severely so it's unique to see a big spike in the prices. Basically if you know someone you like in town it's best to call her when in Beijing anymore. You'll get normal prices and a much more enjoyable evening (usually, but YMMV as always!).
5. I lent Fernando Alonso one of my best who.res - now he has gone and married her - mental note to Billy - never give a mug an even break.Nice move by FA here. Haha. Rule # * (somewhere between 3 and 7 in the hobby book) says not to share someone that you really like a lot, just in case this might happen. Your consolation at this point would be to know that FA does not get much sleep anymore.
TT
I know of one member here who has now had the pleasure of her company. As far as I hear, he will need surgery to get the smile off his face today!I will second that motion. I have had the surgery and that dam smile is still there. At the office today everyone thought I had gotten married. Well maybe I will fall in the footsteps of Fernando Alonso and marry this one. Traveller China you should take a mental note of this like Bad Boy Billy ha ha. Don't lend your * out or before you know it they will all be gone. Ha ha just breaking your balls. Gents if you have the chance treat her well and take mental pictures because she won't be around too long!
TesterTester
03-10-11, 15:29
Lao Ma.
Welcome back to Beijing! While I do not think we ever met, I remember your posts well! I have not seen CeeCee at the HRC in a couple of years. Same goes for little Maria. Still, there are some girls worth checking out if you can find them. The Pig will not allow girls until after the people's congress, so I would give it a skip. Most of the girls from The Pig will turn up at the Hard Rock around 10ish. Maggie's seems to get going later and later. Now that Maggie's has a band the crowd seems to be coming earlier, but the ratio is normally 3 guys to every girl. Most of the guys are just there to look, but because of this ratio the girls think they can keep prices high. It is for this reason that most deals do not get closed until late. All of the voyeurs have left by then so the girls will lower their price. Not too good for those of us that like to get a good night sleep. The Den seems to be the place for a late night / early morning meal for our Northern Sisters.
Good luck! Maybe we can meet for a beer this time!
SammyI haven't reported for a long time. Just wanted to report that I did see CeeCee in HRC last weekend. I didn't talk to her. She was walking out, I was walking in. It was definitely CeeCee unless it was her evil twin sister.
I arrived in China for the first time just a week ago, thanks to the forum I already knew something about the girlie scene here. I decided to cry outcall service first. So I went for Angel first. Asked about 500 + taxi fare, Angel first accepted on phone, then withdrew via e-mail. Massage only starts from 300 + taxi, the rest would be up to the girl, but definitely more expensive. I told them I'll try someone else.
Lily did not reply to my SMS.
Then I asked Maria's Service. 500 okay, the girl was supposed to come at 9 in the evening. She finally arrived at 9. 45, blamed the taxi. I accept that my apartment is not easy to find.
She was called Li Li, not very young anymore, some tattoos, a little too plump, B to C-tits. But okay, a girl next door, not model quality. First she smiled and seemed friendly, but suddenly she started to hurry, some seconds CBJ, then cowgirl for one minute, doggie two minutes and missionary. She wanted to get out quick. But I refused to come, so at the end she stayed 45 minutes and she relaxed more and more, a little hugging included.
But generally the thing was too rushed, maybe I'll try Maria again but go for a different girl. I already miss my beautiful and multi talented ladies in the LOS.
Bad Boy Billy
03-10-11, 22:17
Bit of tidying up to do guys:
1. Sammy did not intentionally arrange the get together at a time I could not attend. My flight was delayed over 3 hours and I missed the frivolities. Damn.
2. Wishing FA all the best with his new 'squeexe'. Great little lady. I am going to miss her.
3. Lao Ma. One of your 'all time favourite' girls has snarted herself a German husband. I met Adila on stairs into Chocolate 6 mths ago. She insisted on giving me her digits. Got a msg 2 or 3 weeks back that I could fuck her that week. But after that she would be married and I should forget her. How did you once describe her. Something along the lines. 'that head case Adila'?
4. Went to Absent on a Sunday night. 10 girls. Zero customers. Word is more girls will be back in town in 1 month when weather warms up. But without any customers new Hollywood can't survive IMHO.
5. Chocolate grows in my estimation. Russian / Uzbeks aplenty. Some seriously nice girls in here. If I could only get a crack at some of those stage performers.
6. The Den just totally dead when I was there. Not a girl in sight. Word is there more girls working there after midnight but I did not go to look.
7. Had 2 visits to Xiu in 1 night. My first visit. And my last visit. Never will I go back theee. What a waste of time.
8. As I have stated below. My beloved Maggies is just listing badly. I do hope it can straighten up but I would not hold my breath.
9. Most universities started back this week. So hopefully there will be a fresh supply of Mongol students. Hopefully some new talent will filter into Maggies.
I will be back for 2 to 3 nights. Mar 29 and 30 at this point in tim. See you guys then.
Mtraveller
03-11-11, 00:13
For lack of more exciting topics. Why exactly do Mongolians working girls not like to be around Mongolian men? I'm curious because it's not limited to Beijing. I got exactly the same statement from a Mongolian girl in a German FKK (I was delighted about the encounter as Mongolians are indeed a rare species around here). She claimed to be Kasach and only when she got comfortable with me admitted that her family is from Ulan Bator. Seems most less travelled Germans customer "value" CIS girls higher than Mongol (=Asian).
But back to the topic. She claimed that Mongolian men are extremely prejudiced towards a Mongolian girl working in a club, getting outright insulting and agressive. Even the ones visiting the very club.
Any opinions?
Yup, saw that too. There are a number of reasons why the ladies do not want to be there with Mongolian guys, but in the end it's just not a good thing for the business that used to occur there.
Why exactly do Mongolians working girls not like to be around Mongolian men?There are different reasons.
general belief that most Mongolian men are rude and less respectful toward woman (partially based on past experience)
fear of being recognized by someone.
fear that their families find about their "job" in Beijing (many girls receive regular visits from family members for a few weeks or months and are certainly not keen on meeting them at Maggies)
most Mongolians are probably not willing to pay the same high prices as we do.
Bad Boy Billy
03-11-11, 05:25
Why exactly do Mongolians working girls not like to be around Mongolian men?As Hendrik pointed out. There are 3 basic reasons:
1. Most Mongolian men are repulsed by the thought that Westerners will get the opportunity to fuck the gorgeous young Mongolian girls when they don't.
2. Most Mongolian men are repulsed by the thought that Westerners have the funds that enable them to fuck the gorgeous young Mongolian girls when they don't.
3. Ulaanbaatar is not that big. Most Mongolian working girls are indeed students who just need some funds to survive. Sooner or later if sufficient Mongol men pass by them plying their trade they will be recognised. That will definitely end in tears.
Achnacloich
03-11-11, 14:28
I arrived in China for the first time just a week ago, thanks to the forum I already knew something about the girlie scene here. I decided to cry outcall service first. So I went for Angel first. Asked about 500 + taxi fare, Angel first accepted on phone, then withdrew via e-mail. Massage only starts from 300 + taxi, the rest would be up to the girl, but definitely more expensive. I told them I'll try someone else.
Lily did not reply to my SMS.
Then I asked Maria's Service. 500 okay, the girl was supposed to come at 9 in the evening. She finally arrived at 9. 45, blamed the taxi. I accept that my apartment is not easy to find.
She was called Li Li, not very young anymore, some tattoos, a little too plump, B to C-tits. But okay, a girl next door, not model quality. First she smiled and seemed friendly, but suddenly she started to hurry, some seconds CBJ, then cowgirl for one minute, doggie two minutes and missionary. She wanted to get out quick. But I refused to come, so at the end she stayed 45 minutes and she relaxed more and more, a little hugging included.
But generally the thing was too rushed, maybe I'll try Maria again but go for a different girl. I already miss my beautiful and multi talented ladies in the LOS. I can confidently say that Su Ting, one of Angel's girls just arrived from the countryside, is one of the cutest and sexiest on this planet. Really pretty, lovely figure, slender, white beautiful skin, breasts totally, TOTALLY perfect. Get her quick before the rest of Beijing does. It should be a crime to have her for a pathetic 600 rmb / hr. Not a word of English though so get the phrasebook out, and just persist a bit and be good-tempered and ALL Agel's girls will pay you back a thousand times in kindness and sweetness. We even had a misunderstanding about the bill, I went off towards my coat to get out another 100 rmb, she counted the money again and refused it! Is this a first in the world of outcall girls?
Was in Beijing 4 nights Mar 3 to 7. Boy has it deteriorated.
Maggies almost a non-event now. If you take out the town bikes. And there are plenty of them. Over half the Maggies girls there now have been there 5 years plus. And if you take out the balance of the overweight and ugly Mongolian girls you are left with very sparse pickings.
The locals guys won't tell you this. They see nothing else. You need somebody to come into town and see what is available as compared to other destinations around the globe. Maggies is now a disaster. 3 nights I went home alone. Missed a real cutie first night cause I was too slow. But I have already fucked half the girls in there and very very few new ones arriving.
Got a great Uzbek girl from Chocolate on 4th night in town. Will be hunting in Chocolate instead of Maggies in future.
Was quoted 3, 000 by one tall new girl in Maggies. 2,000 by 3 or 4 others who IMHO were the only ones there worth fucking.
Interesting that Sammy arranged his get together 3 hours before I arrived in town. Wonder what that tells me.
Lao Ma. Cee Cee was working The Den about a year or so back. Have not seen her since then. She even went to Maggies occasionally. As for HRC. Just wait til you see the ugly old Chinese hags in there. You will faint.
And as for you guys who have wasted money on those Chinese parasites called Maggies girls. For fucks sake. There are now about 30 of them working there. If you guys had left your money in your wallets they would not be there taking up valuable space.
In a nutshell. Lao Ma you just aint going to believe the quality you are going to see when you get to Maggies. Hell even the best looking girl in Maggies over the last 5 years E* has now got a guts as big as mine. I think she has put on about 8kg in last 3 months.
Maggies once had a magnetism that drew me like no other bar. Now it is so ho-hum it borders on boring.
Perhaps the only redeeming feature for Beijing maybe that the University year has now started and there may be some new talent lobbing into town. Lets hope so.
Oh and by the way. Will be back in town late Mar / early Apr.Christ, you've made a grown man cry.
I was in Maggies last May and it was not too bad, but was nowhere near the heyday (posted a few reports). It was a bit of a sausage fest, but I was able to get out both nights with quality punts.
Might have to check out Chocolate and / or Absent. Had a great one back in 2005 at Hollywood.
Which would you recommend? And what was the tariff on your Uzbek girl?
Bad Boy Billy
03-11-11, 22:27
Might have to check out Chocolate and / or Absent. Had a great one back in 2005 at Hollywood.
Which would you recommend? And what was the tariff on your Uzbek girl? Both. Go to Absent at 9pm. Then Chocolate at 11 to 11:30
I can confidently say that Su Ting, one of Angel's girls just arrived from the countryside, is one of the cutest and sexiest on this planet. Really pretty, lovely figure, slender, white beautiful skin, breasts totally, TOTALLY perfect. Get her quick before the rest of Beijing does. It should be a crime to have her for a pathetic 600 rmb / hr. Not a word of English though so get the phrasebook out, and just persist a bit and be good-tempered and ALL Agel's girls will pay you back a thousand times in kindness and sweetness. We even had a misunderstanding about the bill, I went off towards my coat to get out another 100 rmb, she counted the money again and refused it! Is this a first in the world of outcall girls?Care to share the contact information with me? I will be in Beijing on 21 March. You can send me a PM. Thanks a million. Will submit a report after trying her.
Clandestine782
03-12-11, 05:28
She's not a WG, but rather an agent.
Her phone number is: [Telephone Number deleted by Admin] and her work name is Evelyn.
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Christ, you've made a grown man cry.
I was in Maggies last May and it was not too bad, but was nowhere near the heyday (posted a few reports). It was a bit of a sausage fest, but I was able to get out both nights with quality punts.
Might have to check out Chocolate and / or Absent. Had a great one back in 2005 at Hollywood.
Which would you recommend? And what was the tariff on your Uzbek girl? I got back into Beijing late last night and agreed to meet a girl over at Maggies at about 12:30. The place was packed with both girls and guys. The Maggie girls were rocking and there were plenty of Mongolians to go aound. I talked to a new fresh face girl that just arrived from Mongolia and she quoted me 1000 for St. Told her I was meeting someone so she split. She did not last long though as I did not see her again. I saw a few of the regulars and I even saw a girl that had been gone for awhile that just returned from Mongolia. (Z) Really looked good. My girl came in, had a few drinks and we played pool until about 2. Although the talent was not as good as the old days there were plenty of great girls in there last night. I did notice some new (older girls) which surprised me.
I think Maggies still is a must see for any newcomer to Beijing as long as he reads the posts and realizes if he takes a girl wearing a name tag that he is going home alone without any money left in his pocket. And it still is a good place for an old timer like me that remembers the old Maggies. I still enjoy going there and seeing the sights. Maggie girls, Mogolian girls, guys that know, innocent guys that don't, good looking girls and dogs. We have all been there. We see guys getting conned by the Maggie girls, guys taking home stars that we wish we were taking and guys taking home dogs that we could never get drunk enough to take home.
Maggies is Maggies and still a place that I think everyone will enjoy
Achnacloich
03-12-11, 10:38
Care to share the contact information with me? I will be in Beijing on 21 March. You can send me a PM. Thanks a million. Will submit a report after trying her.Angel has a blog ***************. Blog. Com. If you go there there's her telephone number13520288017. Other ones I can recommend are yang yang, li liu and carrie.
Good luck
I can confidently say that Su Ting, one of Angel's girls just arrived from the countryside, is one of the cutest and sexiest on this planet. Really pretty, lovely figure, slender, white beautiful skin, breasts totally, TOTALLY perfect. Get her quick before the rest of Beijing does. It should be a crime to have her for a pathetic 600 rmb / hr. Not a word of English though so get the phrasebook out, and just persist a bit and be good-tempered and ALL Agel's girls will pay you back a thousand times in kindness and sweetness. We even had a misunderstanding about the bill, I went off towards my coat to get out another 100 rmb, she counted the money again and refused it! Is this a first in the world of outcall girls?Thanks for the advice, but you don't see my problem: Angel service told me there is no deal for 600 rmb / hr. I was prepared to pay this, but Angel refused to send a girl for that price.
Achnacloich
03-12-11, 23:36
Thanks for the advice, but you don't see my problem: Angel service told me there is no deal for 600 rmb / hr. I was prepared to pay this, but Angel refused to send a girl for that price.I've had some ups and downs with Angel's English. So that might well be it. If she and her "gals" did some work on their basic English they'd clean up the market in BJ.
Thanks for the advice, but you don't see my problem: Angel service told me there is no deal for 600 rmb / hr. I was prepared to pay this, but Angel refused to send a girl for that price.There is NO standard deal with Angel! Her original Ad said RMB500, and when I called the girl told me RMB750 to which we agreed on RMB650. If you look at my post under "Classified", you will see that Angel couldn't even remember that she posted the RMB500 rate two days earlier.
Be careful out there!
Woodman
I've done the Shanghai scene and am looking for something similar to the spas / saunas there with full service. Did a quick review of this message board and found info on "Blue Lake" and "Regency". Does anyone know of other high-end spots? I'll be staying at The Regent hotel so places nearby would be great.
Thanks!There s a place named waterworld near guomao.
It s all good but expensive.
Pm me for further info
Achnacloich
03-13-11, 05:12
There is NO standard deal with Angel! Her original Ad said RMB500, and when I called the girl told me RMB750 to which we agreed on RMB650. If you look at my post under "Classified", you will see that Angel couldn't even remember that she posted the RMB500 rate two days earlier.
Be careful out there!
WoodmanPoint taken. When I lived far away from the Central Business District (Chaoyang) , it was 700 because of the taxi fare, now its 600, because presumably the girls and I are now neighbours. The girls vary a bit in quality, but anyone wanting a definite winner, see my previous posts.
To be honest, anyone discussing what is on Angel's website, when she posted her 500 yuan rate etc. Is going to lose her fairly soon because her English s a lot less good than it needs to be (and seems to be when you first talk to her.) And as a supplementary point, a lot of those girls on the website have moved on, and some of the real hotties, like Su Ting, aren't on it. She would certainly benefit from sorting that out.
I've called dozens of girls from Craigslist in the past few months. The first funny thing is that most of them quoted a very high price at the begining, such as 2000 rmb for ST, then negotiate to 800, even 500. So it seems almost reasonable to think they will send the same girls at different prices if you don't negotiate with them.
The second funny thing is that many of Craigs girls have several different phone numbers even a dozen. So when you complain a bad treatment and turn to call another girl, actually you do deal with the same 'she'.
And the 3rd funny thing is that All the claims of 100% independent and 100% real picture are fake, don't believe it. Don't think you're doing deal with the independent girls. Actually they are a mami, stable, joint, or agency.
The 4th funny thing that I found is that so many phone numbers in the Beijing classified ads are from Shanghai, and at the same time the girl claims in her ads she's 100% independent. Don't believe it. Do business in Beijing but use a Shanghai phone number, funny!
So far, only a stable named Escort China is an exception. It charges reasonable 700 rmb (600+100taxi) for ST in the begining, don't start at a very high price, and the most important thing for me is the girl's quality and their service quality. I've had three girls from the stable so far. The first time, I asked for No. 1 on its website, I was told definitely it's not a real picture, but will send the similar girl for me. The first girl was ok. 22 yrs old, beautiful. 36C. 163cm, fair smooth skin and playful, BBBJ for me.
The second girl are also not bad. 23 yrs old, less beautiful than the first one, her skin is also very smooth but not so fair, but the wonderful thing is she has a 38C boobs. BBBJ for me.
The 3rd girl has great look and quality, for at the 3rd time, I became the VIP customer of the stable. So I chose a busty VIP girl at my 3rd time. It charges 1000 (including taxi) , not 700 (600+100taxi) for ST. I had a really wonderful time with the 3rd girl, she's 20 yrs old, great look, figure and smile, about 168cm. 36C genuine boobs, very fair and silky skin, very tender and patient. Besides she only BJ for me, her service was great. Her name's Yang Yang. P. S. The stable's number159. 0155. 7624, and the website address escortchina. Blog. Com, by the way, the pictures on its website are not real, but I suggest you'd better tell her (mami or just a telephone operator) over phone that which Number girl you prefer so as to get the right type girl of your liking, because she just speak a little English, if you say too much she surely can not get your point.
Both. Go to Absent at 9pm. Then Chocolate at 11 to 11:30A little tip. Neither Absent / Hollywood nor Chocolate accept credit cards, so bring lots of cash. There are ATM machines right out the entrance to both venues, just ask one of the bouncers to tell you where they are located. A simple "ATM?" will work.
The show at Chocolate is usually over by 1:00 am, so if you still have not found anyone special you can always head to Maggie's. Yes, it has gone downhill, but, as Canada states below, it is still a valid destination for our hobby. Billy is spoiled because he has the ability to visit some of the best venues in the world (of which Maggie's was once one). The decline of Maggie's makes it a pale example of its previous glory, but guys new to China / Beijing will still be impressed.
Sammy
I've had some ups and downs with Angel's English. So that might well be it. If she and her "gals" did some work on their basic English they'd clean up the market in BJ.No no, it's not her English. I got it in an E-mail where Angel told me that no girl can do sex for 500. Guess she tries to cheat me after I told her I'm new in Beijing. Well, she'll miss out a new customer.
Bad Boy Billy
03-14-11, 22:47
Billy is spoiled because he has the ability to visit some of the best venues in the world (of which Maggie's was once one). The decline of Maggie's makes it a pale example of its previous glory, but guys new to China / Beijing will still be impressed.100% correct Simple Sammy. Billy is lucky in that respect.
Billy also visits Maggies almost every night he is in Beijing. I just want to paint the picture as accurately as I possibly can.
Maggies to new / irregular visitors is still going to be the best bet in Beijing on almost any given night. There are quite a few very fuckable girls working there. And the service aspect with almost 100% of the Mongols cannot be questioned.
It is just that I have fucked most of them multiple times. Always looking for fresher fields. Currently Chocolate offers that.
Achnacloich
03-15-11, 00:07
No no, it's not her English. I got it in an E-mail where Angel told me that no girl can do sex for 500. Guess she tries to cheat me after I told her I'm new in Beijing. Well, she'll miss out a new customer.If she sent that email she's crazy. No WG in a place as expensive as Beijing does it for 500. It's always been 6-700 for me, and top value for money too. There are a few cheap but pretty unattractive girls who might go to 500 if you advertise your needs on Craigslist, but it's not an experience I would recommend to a friend.
FernandoAlonso
03-15-11, 04:05
If she sent that email she's crazy. No WG in a place as expensive as Beijing does it for 500. It's always been 6-700 for me, and top value for money too. There are a few cheap but pretty unattractive girls who might go to 500 if you advertise your needs on Craigslist, but it's not an experience I would recommend to a friend.Total BS,
This and a few other posts regarding this subjects belong clearly to the ads section, rtff and search a little you will find BBS FS ST can be from 200 up if you are foreigner and speak Chinese, outcall and SW 300 up, Mongolians now 800 up, use this as indicator for negotiations and listen to Sammy and other seniors not these hidden advertisers pushing girls for ridiculous prices.
Fa
Achnacloich
03-15-11, 11:54
Total BS,
This and a few other posts regarding this subjects belong clearly to the ads section, rtff and search a little you will find BBS FS ST can be from 200 up if you are foreigner and speak Chinese, outcall and SW 300 up, Mongolians now 800 up, use this as indicator for negotiations and listen to Sammy and other seniors not these hidden advertisers pushing girls for ridiculous prices.
FaSounds good, where? Got a phone number. I speak Chinese
Total BS,
This and a few other posts regarding this subjects belong clearly to the ads section, rtff and search a little you will find BBS FS ST can be from 200 up if you are foreigner and speak Chinese, outcall and SW 300 up, Mongolians now 800 up, use this as indicator for negotiations and listen to Sammy and other seniors not these hidden advertisers pushing girls for ridiculous prices.
FaAgree totally. Had a beautiful 20yo from dongbei a few days ago, great lean young body, just amazing tits, big enough to swing when she's on top but with that just ripening fruit firm handfeel and tight small nipples. Naughty twinkle in her eyes, good service & GFE. Tiny little pink and drippy pussy in a tall-grass dongbei cao yuan. 90 mins FS RMB 300. I was happy, she was happy, sent me message the next day to say thanks & see you soon. Never negotiated price, started at 150 for HJ, she smiled and agreed to "small fee" for FS, and took it from there.
No WG in a place as expensive as Beijing does it for 500. It's always been 6-700 for me, and top value for money too. There are a few cheap but pretty unattractive girls who might go to 500 if you advertise your needs on Craigslist, but it's not an experience I would recommend to a friend.Local WG are available for a range of prices, if you're talking about cheap some go as low as 100 or 200 FS. A lot of local girls, especially those recently arrived in Beijing, live dirt cheap and any way you cut it 500 is a LOT of money to them. I also figure most girls start out in other cities. So what do you pay in a second or third tier city for ST FS from a hot SYT in-hotel massage service? Usually 200 to 300, sometimes 400. What's their cut? I'd imagine not very much. So if they've moved to Beijing and are working freelance or I've contacted them directly outside their shop or outcall service, then I figure RMB 300 or 400 is ok for FS. Most are totally OK with it and never have I felt any resentment or bad attitude like their were getting a bad deal. Never had anyone not want to RTF. Most I've ever paid for FS in Beijing was Lily's overhyped service at 500 + 100 mandatory "taxi fee". In this case I'd agree "no working girl from an overhyped service who is used to foreigners paying too much will go for less than 500". But you can't say that's true for Beijing in general. Rather it's the exception.
I can confidently say that Su Ting, one of Angel's girls just arrived from the countryside, is one of the cutest and sexiest on this planet. . .It should be a crime to have her for a pathetic 600 rmb / hr.600 rmb is a LOT of money in the local economy. It should be a crime to bring western pricing here and think that 600 rmb is pathetic. A typical younger girl with no real skills besides looking cute and cock sucking I'm guessing will make 2000 to 6000 kuai per month if she's lucky at a normal job in Beijing at 240 hours / month, so about 8 to 25 kuai per hour. That 600 rmb is somewhere between 24 to 75 hours of shit work in a normal job. It's not a bad pay compared to the options. Su Ting was probably pocketing less than 150 kuai / hr FS in the countryside. I don't mean to get into a big discussion on economics or to get in a big argument. Just want to make the point that outside of the laowai-servicing outcall services, there is always room to bargain and both parties can probably be happy for much less than 600. And hope comments like "should be a crime to pay a pathetic 600 rmb / hr" don't encourage people to overpay or otherwise underestimate the value of a 100 kuai bill. If you don't speak Chinese then maybe your options are more limited, but for sure don't overpay or tip and don't go for the scams like the "better girl by paying the outcall provider more money". And in situations like barbershop, hotel FS or incall HJ massage, KTV girls that you're meeting outside of work, try to good-naturedly bargain anyway even if you don't speak Chinese.
We even had a misunderstanding about the bill, I went off towards my coat to get out another 100 rmb, she counted the money again and refused it! Is this a first in the world of outcall girls?No, traditionally service providers never take tips and in my experience when I've tried to tip (when I wasn't thinking straight) it was strongly refused. It would be like trying to tip the counter worker at mcdonalds a $20 bill for taking your order. People think you're either stupid or gullible or you're trying to get them to owe you a favor in the future. Unfortunately in China now you can see taxi drivers and house cleaners accept tips without a fight. If she thought you honestly were going to accidentally overpay, she probably wanted to avoid any problems with her manager if you were to say later that you paid more than you had originally agreed to.
Achnacloich
03-15-11, 16:37
Kajos,
Wow, that sounds great! Any chance of a 'phone number or a location on any of this?
Posting in here after lurking in the dark for a few months. Been in Beijing for a while and had my fair share of experiences with the KTVs and outcalls here. Being Chinese by descent and knowing the language helps with a few things, but still I think I'm not getting the best experience out of being here compared to others, perhaps because I'm out with the wrong crowds? Haha.
Been reading through most of the thread and I figured that I'd probably have a hard time getting someone at the bars that have been mentioned since most of the Mongolians girls would prefer to gravitate to the older white gentlemen that step in (compared to a rather young-looking very Chinese sort of guy) but I'd love to hear recommendations on that bit.
Apart from that, which I'd probably have to ask through the PMs eventually, I've barely been able to find any BBS in the areas I've ventured to (and I do keep an open eye out for them) so it would be great if someone would be kind enough to direct me in the general vicinity that I could find one or perhaps a massage place with decent quality and price. I know at times it's just fairly easy to ring up an outcall but I've gotten quite tired of the 'surprise' factor. Sure I've got urges to clear but for once I'd like to be able to know exactly what I'm getting into and not risk a 100RMB 'fine'.
Bad Boy Billy
03-15-11, 22:00
Nameci. Please don't take that the wrong way. Your english is perfect. Where you from? Age?
Being Chinese by descent and knowing the language helps with a few things, but still I think I'm not getting the best experience out of being here compared to others, perhaps because I'm out with the wrong crowds? Haha.Correct me if I am wrong. I am imagining ABC early thirties? If so. I cannot believe you have not been knocked over by the gorgeous young Chinese girls who would be desperate for you to be their new boyfriend. Maybe you have been in the wrong places just not with the wrong crowd.
Been reading through most of the thread and I figured that I'd probably have a hard time getting someone at the bars that have been mentioned since most of the Mongolians girls would prefer to gravitate to the older white gentlemen that step in (compared to a rather young-looking very Chinese sort of guy).Not at all my friend. You are way off the mark. Again I assume you are ABC. Life will be so simple for you. Go to the bars. Act as western as you can. Speak your best english. Make the girls aware you are a paying customer in the case of the Mongolians. Your red Maos are going to look just as inviting as any white guys red maos. Trust me on that one.
I've barely been able to find any BBS in the areas I've ventured to (and I do keep an open eye out for them) so it would be great if someone would be kind enough to direct me in the general vicinity that I could find oneI still cannot believe you need to look for BBS. You say you are young / look Chinese / speak the language. Your english is obviously perfect. You should be beating the local girls off with a stick. What you doing wrong my friend. Please tell us more. Studying? Working?
I should be back in BJ Mar 29. We got to catch up mate.
The Tanuki
03-16-11, 00:00
I still cannot believe you need to look for BBS. You say you are young / look Chinese / speak the language. Your english is obviously perfect. You should be beating the local girls off with a stick. What you doing wrong my friend. Please tell us more. Studying? Working?
I should be back in BJ Mar 29. We got to catch up mate. BBB, I'm thinking that you want to grab the castoffs that Nameci doesn't pick? Could be a nice strategy! LOL.
The Tanuki (who is starting to glow in the dark in Tokyo now)
Hi BBB, thanks for the reply.
I'm actually from Singapore (which probably explains half of everything) and 30 this year. Good English with no hint of an asian accent, surprisingly quite a few people find that I sound Canadian for lack of a particular accented English. Plus my sort of look isn't any type that's dangerous or alluring, haha. Never been the sort to have girls falling over themselves to get to know me.
The main reason I posted here as well was to figure out if I was in the wrong place at the wrong time with possibly the wrong people. I'm currently working here, actually came here and did the adventurous thing and landed myself a job. Perhaps I blend in too well with the locals and I probably need to break the habit of replying in Chinese when I'm spoken to as well. I'm the sort to also learn by example and perhaps I just haven't seen the right sort of examples I should be doing in order to get a pretty SYT following me home.
I'm only looking for a BBS just to give it a go once. Came across one last November when I first came and missed a chance to try it out because I was with a friend who wasn't particularly into things like that.
Bad Boy Billy
03-16-11, 01:31
BBB, I'm thinking that you want to grab the castoffs that Nameci doesn't pick? Could be a nice strategy! LOL.Damn right I do. Nameci and Billy are going to cut sick at some of the Chinese clubs.
Hang on. Just had another thought. Maybe Nameci has a head like Sammy. Maybe that's why he continually strikes out?
Nameci. Tell me it aint so?
I was quite sure I made a post before I left for work this morning but it hasn't appeared. Haha.
BBBilly: I haven't met Sammy so I wouldn't know. But then I don't continually strike out since I have no idea where the good spots for pitching are. Haha.
Anyway, I'm from Singapore and 30 this year, and I'm sure I don't give off as much of a Western vibe compared to ABCs and the like. Although I do speak good English with no distinct accent (although it's neutral enough for people to think I'm from Canada). What I figure is that I'll have to tag along with the pros and figure out what I need to be doing and looking out for.
For the fact that I look local and I can speak Chinese, I think I've been mostly thought of as nothing 'special', especially when I can't help replying in Chinese when spoken to in it. I'm not the dashing sort of young American Chinese 'gentleman' that I figure most of these girls are into, probably since I'm only 1. 7m tall which isn't that great and I've got a very normal look and nothing exotic.
And the BBS bit is just for the experience and just to say I've tried as many sorts of mongering available in the countries I've been to.
But I'm looking forward to meeting some of the experienced guys here just to know how to truly appreciate the offerings in Beijing.
Loveasiangirls
03-16-11, 06:55
I was quite sure I made a post before I left for work this morning but it hasn't appeared. Haha.
BBBilly: I haven't met Sammy so I wouldn't know. But then I don't continually strike out since I have no idea where the good spots for pitching are. Haha.
Anyway, I'm from Singapore and 30 this year, and I'm sure I don't give off as much of a Western vibe compared to ABCs and the like. Although I do speak good English with no distinct accent (although it's neutral enough for people to think I'm from Canada). What I figure is that I'll have to tag along with the pros and figure out what I need to be doing and looking out for.
For the fact that I look local and I can speak Chinese, I think I've been mostly thought of as nothing 'special', especially when I can't help replying in Chinese when spoken to in it. I'm not the dashing sort of young American Chinese 'gentleman' that I figure most of these girls are into, probably since I'm only 1. 7m tall which isn't that great and I've got a very normal look and nothing exotic.
And the BBS bit is just for the experience and just to say I've tried as many sorts of mongering available in the countries I've been to.
But I'm looking forward to meeting some of the experienced guys here just to know how to truly appreciate the offerings in Beijing. Go to Vics. This is your age bracket. Speak in english to the girls. It will only cost you a few drinks.
Kajos,
Wow, that sounds great! Any chance of a 'phone number or a location on any of this? Sure happy to PM you. Other info is also in the forum. If you can speak / read a little Chinese, there are leads on local Chinese forums and best for me has been when a good KTV or massage girl knows other girls who want to make side money. I'm not giving out the numbers for the good ones. One of you guys who requested the contact info for the ex-sauna girl about 3 weeks ago ended up scaring her off from FS with laowai. She said it was some guy "not a very big dick, not very good at fucking", ended up jack hammering her until the condom broke. Which one of you Casanovas was it? .
Bad Boy Billy
03-16-11, 21:44
Nameci if you pay your subs we will be able to send you pm. Will meet up in BJ in 10 days. Billy
Achnacloich
03-16-11, 22:57
Sure happy to PM you. Other info is also in the forum. If you can speak / read a little Chinese, there are leads on local Chinese forums and best for me has been when a good KTV or massage girl knows other girls who want to make side money. I'm not giving out the numbers for the good ones. One of you guys who requested the contact info for the ex-sauna girl about 3 weeks ago ended up scaring her off from FS with laowai. She said it was some guy "not a very big dick, not very good at fucking", ended up jack hammering her until the condom broke. Which one of you Casanovas was it? .I can speak ok but not read Chinese. How about an SMS to 13436976554?
Nameci if you pay your subs we will be able to send you pm. Will meet up in BJ in 10 days. BillyJust done. Might take a day to be activated though.
Kajos: I'm keen on hearing these Chinese forums leads that you've got. And is following a recommendation of a friend by a massage girl a good idea? I've had one offered to me and I haven't replied to that since I'm not too keen on a surprise I don't want to handle.
OldAsiaHand
03-17-11, 03:37
I should be back in BJ Mar 29. We got to catch up mate.BBB,
Landing in BJ on Mar 27 for 3 nights. I better grab what I can before you turn up. With your deep pockets and huge didi, it will be difficult to get laid when you are there. Looking forward to catching up mate!
OAH
FernandoAlonso
03-17-11, 10:33
Oah, you and Billy both cater different marketsegments, you the dirt cheap 500 rmb fugly overdate Northern Sister, plenty supply currently and Billy only fresh young superstars; which he still dreams of pounding for 1000 kuai two hours and two shots; dream on buddy neber ever can a fat old man like you really do that. Unfortunately your both reputation as Butterfly and Cheap Charly and overuse of the pussy makes you both go home alone and we ordinary people with lesser demands get still laid.
But I must agree on one thing, who are these idiots paying 2 or even 3000 ST, please stay home you spoil tje girls and in the long term make them worse off, examples can be provided.
Hope see you all end of the months if my new bride to be lets me off the hook with you bad boys.
Fa.
BBB,
Landing in BJ on Mar 27 for 3 nights. I better grab what I can before U-turn up. With your deep pockets and huge didi, it will be difficult to get laid when you are there. Looking forward to catching up mate!
OAH
Any new info on what is going on at Maggies?
There s a place named waterworld near guomao.
It s all good but expensive.
Pm me for further infoDoes anybody have details on this place "waterworld"? Could this possibly be like the old "Eastern Sea Sauna" that used to be near Chinaworld?
Jopj. It seems we can not PM you.
Norm Deploom
03-17-11, 16:48
5. Chocolate grows in my estimation. Russian / Uzbeks aplenty. Some seriously nice girls in here. If I could only get a crack at some of those stage performers.There is a way to do it. I have succeeded with it twice now (once time I got two of them at once) , it is not consistent, but works. It is not cheap. PM for details.
7. Had 2 visits to Xiu in 1 night. My first visit. And my last visit. Never will I go back theee. What a waste of time.I guess you did not realize that Xiu is a gay bar. It is always filled with queens and their fag-hags and that's about it. I was once approached my a kind of old, Chinese troglodyte lady who offered to be my ladyfriend. But there is not enough alcohol in the world to plumb those depths.
Since there has been a prolific interest in calling escorts, it prompted me to try it myself. Also, hoping to add a good experience in this thread instead of bad ones (but didn't turn out that way). Researched a bit on the net especially CL. Called an agent who calls herself SaSa. I know there are tried and true ones like Angel or Lily but wanted to explore and get my own contacts. After negotiating down to 600 all inclusive from an unrealistic 1000, gave her my wish list. She recommended Coco, friendly, yound, thin, and from Sichuan. I said yes and we arranged a time. This Coco did indeed come on time but immediately turned me off because of the sales pitch she gave me. She tried to sell me massage and other services as extra. I said talk to your manager. I should have known that this was leading to trouble. Long story short, she did not deliver what SaSa promised me. In the middle of the blowjob (which was covered and not as per arranged) , I got so pissed off that I told her to leave. Had to speak to Sasa again and told her that I'll just pay the taxi and and a little bit extra because she lied about the services. The manager tried to apologise and said that this CoCo merely did not understand and will do what I want from then on. However, I was so angry by then for wasting my time and the bad attitude from Coco that I knew I wouldn't be able to enjoy myself anymore. Also learned that Coco wasn't even from Sichuan.
But to be honest, this Coco was do-able. She was young and thin with long hair and blonde highlights. Her features were not typical Chinese. Would guess that she had a mix of maybe Xinjiang on her since her features almost look western. Might rate her a 7-8 on looks but 1 on attitude (should've known). A real salesperson who cannot give a GF experience. My advice, avoid Coco and maybe the agent Sasa as well. Pity that I couldn't give her number here but it ends in 1833. Moral of the story, like what many have posted before, there's a lot of rotten apples in the escort game. Be prepared to get one. However, some would treat it like gambling, go through some bad ones with the hope that you'll eventually get a gem. If you have the money and patience maybe calling escorts could be an option. Caveat emptor.
Go to Vics. This is your age bracket. Speak in english to the girls. It will only cost you a few drinks.Nameci / Loveasiangirls / bbb,
Go to tang hui by worker stadium if you speak Chinese and want to hook up w / local girls. They are usually young and non professional. Take a bit of time though, it took me about 2 dates to bed them. The key also is to go there on weekdays when there is no cover, mostly students and young girls w / a day job go there.
Happy hunting!
Any new info on what is going on at Maggies?Wow, what a great first post.
Levitian
TesterTester
03-18-11, 05:19
Went to maggies on Tuesday night because had a layover in Beijing for the night. It was a far cry from the old days. Around midnight. Lot's of the "Maggie's girls" and a few of the Northern Sisters who have been there for several years already.
Hopefully Maggies or some substitute for Maggies will get back to the golden years.
I will be back in BJ in a few weeks and will drop by and give another report on the status.
Nameci / Loveasiangirls / bbb,
Go to tang hui by worker stadium if you speak Chinese and want to hook up w / local girls. They are usually young and non professional. Take a bit of time though, it took me about 2 dates to bed them. The key also is to go there on weekdays when there is no cover, mostly students and young girls w / a day job go there.
Happy hunting! I was actually in that area last night. Ended up hanging out in a place called Cutie instead since my friend couldn't find the right 'vibe' he wanted in Tang Hui. I think the atmosphere in those clubs is pretty interesting and I'll probably have to go a couple more times to find out which girls are ripe for the picking. Did see some quite delectable SYTs in there though, so another prowl is a must. Haha.
Fourgotten
03-19-11, 05:30
Looking for guys that share a similar passion for women here in Beijing for going out together and getting girls.
I'd prefer to work the freebie angle here as much as possible.
I'm white but speak / read Chinese. I recently moved to BJ and will be here a long time.
PM me for email / qq / cell.
I was actually in that area last night. Ended up hanging out in a place called Cutie instead since my friend couldn't find the right 'vibe' he wanted in Tang Hui. I think the atmosphere in those clubs is pretty interesting and I'll probably have to go a couple more times to find out which girls are ripe for the picking. Did see some quite delectable SYTs in there though, so another prowl is a must. Haha.Another club you want to try if you haven't been is the one behind MIX, called LATTE. The club is a fire hazard, only 3 elevators to the 3rd floor, and this is the club the US embassy warned against because they were saying management was targeting foreigners. Of the few times I went there, it was the other way around, the foreigners got drunk, and rowdy. At any rate, this one very local, but the hit rate is pretty high. A few of my single friends hang out there almost weekly. .
Happy Hunting!
OldAsiaHand
03-19-11, 14:50
Oah, you and Billy both cater different marketsegments, you the dirt cheap 500 rmb fugly overdate Northern Sister, plenty supply currently and Billy only fresh young superstars; which he still dreams of pounding for 1000 kuai two hours and two shots; dream on buddy neber ever can a fat old man like you really do that. Unfortunately your both reputation as Butterfly and Cheap Charly and overuse of the pussy makes you both go home alone and we ordinary people with lesser demands get still laid.
But I must agree on one thing, who are these idiots paying 2 or even 3000 ST, please stay home you spoil tje girls and in the long term make them worse off, examples can be provided.
Hope see you all end of the months if my new bride to be lets me off the hook with you bad boys.
Fa. FA,
After all the ridiculous quotes I'd been getting in Maggies, I wanted to prove that with 500 RMB, you could still get action. You guys will never let me hear the end of it! OK, so she was not a supermodel, but the service was excellent. On top of that, where I hunt in South China, we get 3 X ST with 18-21 yo stunners for 500 RMB.
I'll call you when I get in on Sunday.
OAH
One Eyed Man
03-20-11, 13:35
I went to Maggies' at 12:30 am Last Friday and was surprised to see that the big section had been reopened. It was a sausage fest: maybe because guys stop by before spending the weekend with their families, or maybe because the smoke signals haven't been received yet in Ulan Bator. The band was still there, on a new stage, and there were people dancing and a bunch of guys standing around watching the band, which made it difficult to do a loop around the bar and check out the talent.
Speaking of the talent, it's become a requirement to whine about the lack thereof, but there were only two or three decent girls there, but when you subtract out the smokers, there wasn't much left. I finally got sucked in by a Maggie's bar girl, drank too much, spent too much money, and had a great time. The girl smelled blood and wanted me to buy beers for the band (which I did) and buy champagne and get tips for the bar (no way.)
At about 3:00 a. M, a funny thing happened: there were quite a few attractive girls there. Maybe they had done ST or migrated in from another venue.
When the band was on break, they played the standard good old Maggie's music, and although I think the band is pretty good, I wish they would just put tables back into the area. Later on, I saw that the small Maggie's area was open as well, which is a nice little intimate other bar.
Another club you want to try if you haven't been is the one behind MIX, called LATTE. The club is a fire hazard, only 3 elevators to the 3rd floor, and this is the club the US embassy warned against because they were saying management was targeting foreigners. Of the few times I went there, it was the other way around, the foreigners got drunk, and rowdy. At any rate, this one very local, but the hit rate is pretty high. A few of my single friends hang out there almost weekly. .
Happy Hunting! Surprisingly I stopped by LATTE last night to check it out with a couple of friends. And I have to say that hanging out with westerners ups my cred for sure, especially since I get to play the cool translator role for a bit. Always still surprising when I tell the ladies that I'm not local though.
Went to BabyFace before that and I have to say the number of SYTs at both locations are honestly through the roof (or perhaps I had one too many tequila shots before heading in) Definitely need another opportunity to prowl the area with a white guy since we'll definitely play off on each other's strengths, although I think more than enough mongers here are good enough in Chinese to seal the deal on their own and won't mind me piggybacking for a bit till I get the feel for what to go for and look out for.
Mind Maggot
03-21-11, 05:05
FA,
On top of that, where I hunt in South China, we get 3 X ST with 18-21 yo stunners for 500 RMB.
OAHWould you be kind enough to tell Maggot where you can get such young stunners for such price? Maggot is in South China too, but can never find young stunners for that price range. PM would be highly appreciated Sir.
Hi,
I am usually only in Beijing for a day or so at a time every few weeks. And busy when I am. So I usually use one of the escort services. And, yes, there are some rough deals out there. But after some slightly dodgy experiences I've settled with Angel. I've had about 15 different girls from her over the past few months. And to be honest, I've never been really disappointed. There are a couple of girls I wouldn't ask for by name again, but there are many more that I would. I'va always found the service really good, and she tries to fix me up with exactly what I want if one of my favourites (no names!) is not available. I'm not after love, and Angel's give give me plenty of what I want out of the deal.
Life if too short for trawling the clubs. Anyway, why trawl clubs when the city is full of waitresses and shop-girls?
SaSa I have never heard of. But don't think I'll be worried about getting her number.
Cheers
I'm into the wingman concept. I too fit that sort of general description. Will be back in Beijing in April.
Looking for guys that share a similar passion for women here in Beijing for going out together and getting girls.
I'd prefer to work the freebie angle here as much as possible.
I'm white but speak / read Chinese. I recently moved to BJ and will be here a long time.
PM me for email / qq / cell.
Huckleberryfinn
03-22-11, 19:34
Posting in here after lurking in the dark for a few months. Been in Beijing for a while and had my fair share of experiences with the KTVs and outcalls here. Being Chinese by descent and knowing the language helps with a few things, but still I think I'm not getting the best experience out of being here compared to others, perhaps because I'm out with the wrong crowds? Haha.
Been reading through most of the thread and I figured that I'd probably have a hard time getting someone at the bars that have been mentioned since most of the Mongolians girls would prefer to gravitate to the older white gentlemen that step in (compared to a rather young-looking very Chinese sort of guy) but I'd love to hear recommendations on that bit.
Apart from that, which I'd probably have to ask through the PMs eventually, I've barely been able to find any BBS in the areas I've ventured to (and I do keep an open eye out for them) so it would be great if someone would be kind enough to direct me in the general vicinity that I could find one or perhaps a massage place with decent quality and price. I know at times it's just fairly easy to ring up an outcall but I've gotten quite tired of the 'surprise' factor. Sure I've got urges to clear but for once I'd like to be able to know exactly what I'm getting into and not risk a 100RMB 'fine'. I don't get it. This hobby is really simple. If you speak the language (and I don't speak much of it) , just ask any hotel doorman, taxi driver or local business guy where you can find whatever it is you want. It's not like they will embarrass you. I mean, why do you think there is so much available in China (besides the sheer quantity of women?) The culture thrives on men cheating on their wives and there are so many poorly educated, low-on-the-totem pole women who need the cash that it's a veritable smorgasbord out there. Just please, don't pay too much. It makes life tough for the rest of us. Huck
Will be making a short visit to BJ mid April (been about one and a half years since last visit)
Thanks to all the regular contributors for all the valuable reports, information and wise cracking.
Hoping that by then spring time has arrived in BJ along with a flock of birds.
Last visit at Xiu I managed to pull a freebie, so might try and have a look over there. Despite the negative reports of late. Otherwise I'll be stopping at Chocolate (a first for me) and Maggies.
Anyways, so far for the travel info.
I hope to be able to share with you guys some good experiences afterwards and maybe I'll bump into one of the masters of the BJ thread. Kudos!
El Frances
03-23-11, 10:00
Agree totally. Had a beautiful 20yo from dongbei a few days ago, great lean young body, just amazing tits, big enough to swing when she's on top but with that just ripening fruit firm handfeel and tight small nipples. Naughty twinkle in her eyes, good service & GFE. Tiny little pink and drippy pussy in a tall-grass dongbei cao yuan. 90 mins FS RMB 300. I was happy, she was happy, sent me message the next day to say thanks & see you soon. Never negotiated price, started at 150 for HJ, she smiled and agreed to "small fee" for FS, and took it from there.
Local WG are available for a range of prices, if you're talking about cheap some go as low as 100 or 200 FS. A lot of local girls, especially those recently arrived in Beijing, live dirt cheap and any way you cut it 500 is a LOT of money to them. I also figure most girls start out in other cities. So what do you pay in a second or third tier city for ST FS from a hot SYT in-hotel massage service? Usually 200 to 300, sometimes 400. What's their cut? I'd imagine not very much. So if they've moved to Beijing and are working freelance or I've contacted them directly outside their shop or outcall service, then I figure RMB 300 or 400 is ok for FS. Most are totally OK with it and never have I felt any resentment or bad attitude like their were getting a bad deal. Never had anyone not want to RTF. Most I've ever paid for FS in Beijing was Lily's overhyped service at 500 + 100 mandatory "taxi fee". In this case I'd agree "no working girl from an overhyped service who is used to foreigners paying too much will go for less than 500". But you can't say that's true for Beijing in general. Rather it's the exception.
600 rmb is a LOT of money in the local economy. It should be a crime to bring western pricing here and think that 600 rmb is pathetic. A typical younger girl with no real skills besides looking cute and cock sucking I'm guessing will make 2000 to 6000 kuai per month if she's lucky at a normal job in Beijing at 240 hours / month, so about 8 to 25 kuai per hour. That 600 rmb is somewhere between 24 to 75 hours of shit work in a normal job. It's not a bad pay compared to the options. Su Ting was probably pocketing less than 150 kuai / hr FS in the countryside. I don't mean to get into a big discussion on economics or to get in a big argument. Just want to make the point that outside of the laowai-servicing outcall services, there is always room to bargain and both parties can probably be happy for much less than 600. And hope comments like "should be a crime to pay a pathetic 600 rmb / hr" don't encourage people to overpay or otherwise underestimate the value of a 100 kuai bill. If you don't speak Chinese then maybe your options are more limited, but for sure don't overpay or tip and don't go for the scams like the "better girl by paying the outcall provider more money". And in situations like barbershop, hotel FS or incall HJ massage, KTV girls that you're meeting outside of work, try to good-naturedly bargain anyway even if you don't speak Chinese.
No, traditionally service providers never take tips and in my experience when I've tried to tip (when I wasn't thinking straight) it was strongly refused. It would be like trying to tip the counter worker at mcdonalds a $20 bill for taking your order. People think you're either stupid or gullible or you're trying to get them to owe you a favor in the future. Unfortunately in China now you can see taxi drivers and house cleaners accept tips without a fight. If she thought you honestly were going to accidentally overpay, she probably wanted to avoid any problems with her manager if you were to say later that you paid more than you had originally agreed to. So much truth in this post. I cannot help but quote it!
El Frances
03-23-11, 10:16
I was in Beijing one week ago and used outcall services as usual. It was only for a few days so no innovative behaviour. The 500+ 100 Taxi still rules, no problem about it.
Maria.
This time I used the 500+100 girls, not the 800 girls. They were a little less pretty but quite cute enough. 18-19 years (my request). Service more or less unexperienced, but nice attitude (anyway that's what I expected from young girls, no disapointment). I forgot Maria believes that Laoweis only like big tits, so the girs were a bit (just a bit) too fat. Next time I will ask for small tits to make sure I'll get a small ass!
Lili.
As usual, good customer-oriented service, friendly girls (with some minimal knowledge of English now) , more experienced and older (around 23/24 years).
Frankly I don't understand why people go on trying Craiglist's scams and not use some (at least statistically) reliable providers like those two (never tried Angel, I cannot comment)
Sorry was away for a while.
Email me: [Email address deleted by Admin]
Does anybody have details on this place "waterworld"? Could this possibly be like the old "Eastern Sea Sauna" that used to be near Chinaworld?
Jopj. It seems we can not PM you.
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Westside2003
03-24-11, 20:30
I am an infrequent international traveler and have gotten a lot of value from scanning this forum from time to time. I thought it was time for me to contribute after tonight's outing. I've been to Maggie's once before several years back and was concerned after reading a few recent reports that it might have gone downhill considerably since.
I'm no expert on the good old days, but it seemed just as good as my last visit. Maybe not as many DDGs as the last visit, but the atmosphere and quantity was better this time around.
I arrived about 11pm and the place was pretty busy. Lots of the normal beauties with name tags keeping the party atmosphere up. The band was actually pretty good and seemed to get a good response.
WG wise, there was already a good selection when I arrived and the population grew as the hours went by. I was sitting at a table near the bar and at one point had about 6 PYTs all around me. After midnight, the place was really getting crowded but the ratio stayed pretty good.
At one point I counted at least 10 pretty and slim WGs that I was definitely interested in. All were friendly but none were aggressive. I was mainly hanging back and taking in the vibe.
At about 1am I connected with Mary from Sicuan. I was surprised as I thought it was mainly Mongols working. She was a bit more aggressive than the others but friendly. She was not the hottest of the bunch, but we had some chemistry. After a flirty description of all the wonderful things she was going to do to me, we got to price. She led off with 2, 000 RMB. I countered with 800. She insisted on 1, 000 and as it was late and I am lazy, I said OK. (Not sure if there is a premium for Chinese, though she was likely making that up).
Very friendly back to my hotel. No issues at all getting her up to my room at the St. Regis. Quick shower service and we were off to the bedroom.
Moderately good DFK and set the mood well. Moved on to a good BBBJ with lots of good noises and energy. After a decent amount of time, she asked to put the cap on and I obliged. She then hit me with a new position that was part reverse cowgirl and part doggie. Nice way to start.
After a few more positions, the cap came off and she announced that she wanted it in her mouth. If anything, this was underwhelming as it was mostly a too fast HJ, but she was really enthusiastic. The big event arrived and she delivered as promised.
Very friendly afterward with a nice warm towel clean up. Gave me her email for my next visit and a kiss on the way out the door.
All in all, I was very happy with my Maggie's experience. Great party atmosphere. Lots and lots of friendly eye candy. Good selection. Mary was very pretty with a good body and great service. If I wasn't so lazy, I am sure I could have hunted down even prettier. But I like to go with the flow.
This was my #3 best experience in Beijing. #2 was a tall, slim Mongolian girl a few years back with insanely long hair. #1 was an Uzbec girl from the old Hollywood that was so good that I would have brought her back to the states if I could.
Thanks to all the regular posters here who have made it so much easier to get the best out of a stay in Beijing.
Hi,
Maria and Lili I don't know. Would appreciate their numbers, if you could pass them on.
I currently use Angel exclusively when I am in Beijing. Nice girls, and great service. Angel is good at finding what you need. So not fat arses unless you ask. Would recommend Su Ting, YAng Yang, Xiao Yan, Wendy (the last two are especially good together!)
CheersI will be there in June, and would contact info on all of these ladies.
Hi there,
Saw a new sign "hotel + sauna" in English when driving on the airport expressway from aiport to city centre on the left side between 5th and 4th ring.
Has anybody experience or what kind of services available. PM also welcome.
I decided to give Waterworld a try. It is located at (chinese characters available on request) . The outside is quite impressive and the text on the wall describes grand buffets and what not. On entering the basic package (pool, shower and lounge) is 139 rmb. The environs are pretty nice, similar to about a Chiniese 4 star hotel. The pool was very hot (42C) and the lounge had a very limited amount of channels, only Chinese channels. After doing the tour (I skipped the restaurant) it was time to go to the 4th floor for the 'massage'. The room had a double bed and a bathroom so it was clear what would be available. The special service cost is 1198 and I doubt it is negotiable. I said I would go for it if the girl was cute. They brought in xiao Zhou and she, while not a stunner in my high standards, was certainly attractive enough. Nice is somewhat standard service and a pretty good sport all things being considered. Total damage after a coke added in was 1371 I think. The outside gives a but higher expectation than is actually delivered but the cost is not really out of line with the service or conditions. If you don't want to take a girl back to your hotel and don't mind finishing in an hour or so, it is not a bad idea. Overnight stays are available but I did not inquire as to the cost for that, but it is an extra.
Nice is somewhat standard service and a pretty good sport all things being considered. Total damage after a coke added in was 1371 I think.Thanks for the report. I had heard from another friend that it's not a full service sauna, but rather it's just a massage and HJ. Would you confirm what you mean by "standard service"? Certainly 1371 RMB would be expensive for just an HJ.
Would you confirm what you mean by "standard service"?I mean penetrative intercourse preceeded by oral sex using a condom. Oh plus a modest amount of fake penis praise. I mean the praise is fake not the penis.
SE Asia Joe
03-27-11, 14:13
Escort services in China. IMHO. Is only for those who's got more dollars than sense!
Yes, I can understand if you don't have the time, zero language capabilities, can't be bothered to RTFF, any sense of adventure whatesoever, don't mind wasting your precious mongering time for crap. And be assured that you ARE going to get crap / gals too ugly to make it as a WG any other way.
Otherwise, for Crissakes - for this is the reason why the rest of us guys post here - Please RTFF to search out what you CAN avail of yourseves here. Just don't be paying any notice of these shills!
And all you guerrila marketers of these escort services - For crying out loud - ENOUGH please!
You guys are now even resorting to knocking each other's offerings!
I'll say it again, ENOUGH PLEASE. OK?
Thanks.
SEAJ
WillieWonka
03-28-11, 05:57
Hi guys!
I've been lurking on the forum for a long time, but only recently joined the ranks of the mongers, due to having a couple of months of "freedom" without my SO.
Anyway, I've been in China for almost 7 years (and speak pretty decent Chinese) , most recently in SH, though I moved to BJ a couple of weeks ago. Since my arrival I have had several interesting experiences, so let me put them down here in case they are interesting for anybody:
- Outcall / escort services: I am staying in a hotel for now, so after checking reports I decided to try Angel's services. I got two different girls from her (Su Ting and Xiao Yang, if I remember correctly). Damage was in both cases 700 RMB and the service was good (especially Xiao Yang, she performs BBBJ beautifully) , though not GREAT. It is convenient, but in my mind it is quite expensive and I have the distinct impression that you get to pay a steep laowai tax.
- Overpriced russians: OK, this story is embarrasing, but I intend to share it as a cautionary tale. I decided one night to check out Chocolate and see what is up with the Russian gals, as I was a bit tired of Chinese. Went there around 10, stayed until 3 am. Lot of nice girls, true, but the atmosphere was not really my type. Anyway, I got to talk with several of the WGs there, a nice tall Uzbek and a playful Russian were the highlights. Regretfully, I ended up drinking much more than was appropriate, and letting my other brain get the best of me. I took the playful one back to the hotel and ended up paying 2000 RMB for FS with BJ (no BB). Nice enough, I guess, but I was extremely unhappy with it the next morning. Not because the money means a lot, but because overpaying means a lot. I am the kind of guy that HATES to overpay, because I know what that makes to the market expectations and how every other monger out there suffers from it. So, if you are reading this: DON'T DO THAT!
- BBSs and massages: OK, the third part is the BBSs around town. Regretfully, most of the straight up massage places I have found are just "zhenguide", so no additional services provided. The BBSs are. Well, they are an interesting experience, but I seriously doubt I am getting the most of them. Latest experience was a place near Jing'an Shichang where a young cutie would do a HJ for 200RMB. I still believe I am overpaying, but I am getting closer to my expected budget, so I intend to keep adventuring this way. I have read many reports in the forums about BBSs with FS available, but so far I haven't been able to find this. I will prowl more around Wangjing and see what I can find.
- Freebies: This is still the Beijing I remembered (I lived here for a a year almost a decade ago). I went to Vics one night and ended up chatting up a cute university student there. We have seen each other for some days and got really interesting, but needed to be cut short. Problem with freebies in my current situation is that they need to be strictly NSA (I intend to play, but NOT to risk my SO) and that takes a bit of trickery I don't like too much (sometimes I think I prefer to pay than to lie to get laid). I will try the more local options (I have seen MIX and LATTE and others mentioned) and see what there is.
So, all in all, a bit of everything, good experience accumulated for somebody that has been out of the game for a lot of years, but still a lot to learn. Thank you all of you that take the effort to write reports and warn about the dangers. I would love to learn more from some of you that seem to have similar aspirations to mine (FernandoAlonso's and SE Asia Joe's recent posts have opened my eyes a lot, thank you guys).
I would love to be able to PM you guys and get more info, and I would love to buy a suscription to the site (Jackson's work begs to be appreciated) , but it is not possible for me to do it through a VISA without my SO knowing and cash remittance will take too long time. Do any of you know of a better way? (Can any of you help me to pay for it, for example? Of course I would give that money back!).
Anyway, as I said, thanks for everything and keep the safe mongering! I think I am going to try my luck today with a cute as a button waitress I have seen in my hotel. Haha!
FernandoAlonso
03-28-11, 10:31
Amen brotjer you are so right with every word!
Just an example I was walking home around 8pm near the Bustation across Kempinski / Lufthansa Center when I encountered the hottest Chinese chick I had seen for a while who immediately smiled and started a conversation. 100% she was in the game, if not someone else was already waiting ony doorstep I could report Service and Price but that lady will be thete agsin hinting foreigners, speaks good English and is a 8 to 9.
Good luck finding her and forget escorts.
Fa.
Escort services in China. IMHO. Is only for those who's got more dollars than sense!
Yes, I can understand if you don't have the time, zero language capabilities, can't be bothered to RTFF, any sense of adventure whatesoever, don't mind wasting your precious mongering time for crap. And be assured that you ARE going to get crap / gals too ugly to make it as a WG any other way.
Otherwise, for Crissakes. For this is the reason why the rest of us guys post here. Please RTFF to search out what you CAN avail of yourseves here. Just don't be paying any notice of these shills!
And all you guerrila marketers of these escort services. For crying out loud. ENOUGH please!
You guys are now even resorting to knocking each other's offerings!
I'll say it again, ENOUGH PLEASE. OK?
Thanks.
SEAJ
Escort services in China. IMHO. Is only for those who's got more dollars than sense!
Yes, I can understand if you don't have the time, zero language capabilities, can't be bothered to RTFF, any sense of adventure whatesoever, don't mind wasting your precious mongering time for crap. And be assured that you ARE going to get crap / gals too ugly to make it as a WG any other way.
Otherwise, for Crissakes. For this is the reason why the rest of us guys post here. Please RTFF to search out what you CAN avail of yourseves here. Just don't be paying any notice of these shills!
And all you guerrila marketers of these escort services. For crying out loud. ENOUGH please!
You guys are now even resorting to knocking each other's offerings!
I'll say it again, ENOUGH PLEASE. OK?
Thanks.
SEAJBeen out to the clubs the last few weeks, especially since I'm out with caucasians, and I definitely agree with this quote. Started out with outcalls when I first arrived and was unfamiliar with BJ, but as often as I call them the more I find myself less satisfied and impressed to the point that I've gotten quite annoyed with the 'surprise' of the quality and standard of girls.
Still trying to get something from the clubs, whether paid or a freebie, which will probably take a little while to get into the groove of it but it's definitely a lot more fun.
Achnacloich
03-29-11, 10:13
Amen brotjer you are so right with every word!
Just an example I was walking home around 8pm near the Bustation across Kempinski / Lufthansa Center when I encountered the hottest Chinese chick I had seen for a while who immediately smiled and started a conversation. 100% she was in the game, if not someone else was already waiting ony doorstep I could report Service and Price but that lady will be thete agsin hinting foreigners, speaks good English and is a 8 to 9.
Good luck finding her and forget escorts.
Fa. Great idea for 007, but for the rest of us middle-aged losers? A bit of realism please.
Achnacloich
03-29-11, 10:16
Been out to the clubs the last few weeks, especially since I'm out with caucasians, and I definitely agree with this quote. Started out with outcalls when I first arrived and was unfamiliar with BJ, but as often as I call them the more I find myself less satisfied and impressed to the point that I've gotten quite annoyed with the 'surprise' of the quality and standard of girls.
Still trying to get something from the clubs, whether paid or a freebie, which will probably take a little while to get into the groove of it but it's definitely a lot more fun.I think those two words "still trying" are worth remembering, guys. Unless you can catch a girl's eye at the bus station like Fernando or 007 and whisk them off to bed, massage parlour / KTV / outcall is your only option.
Norm Deploom
03-29-11, 12:30
At about 1am I connected with Mary from Sicuan. I was surprised as I thought it was mainly Mongols working. She was a bit more aggressive than the others but friendly. She was not the hottest of the bunch, but we had some chemistry. After a flirty description of all the wonderful things she was going to do to me, we got to price. She led off with 2, 000 RMB. I countered with 800. She insisted on 1, 000 and as it was late and I am lazy, I said OK. (Not sure if there is a premium for Chinese, though she was likely making that up).I am quite certain I know this Mary. She has been around for a while and is one of the only useful Chinese providers I have met in BJ. She has her head firmly on her shoulders, but is seeking a husband, preferably german. Altogether a consistent and reliable girl who provides good service. She used to be mainly found at the Pig, but since all the talent cleared out is a regular at Maggie's. I recommend her, for what it's worth.
I almost took her home last week for old time's sake but ended up with an enchanting mongolian girl. The selection is not what it was, but there are still some gems to be found. As much as I hate to say it. As I am a staunch beijing supporter in the beijing vs shanghai argument. Beijing is slipping and shangai is improving. Pretty soon I'll have to take on an ernai or quit the game. Sad choices.
SE Asia Joe
03-29-11, 15:45
Don't know if this works or not. But I'm reporting those posts I strongly suspect as these guerilla marketers of these rip off escort services. (that button on the bottom left side of these shill posts)
Don't know if Jackson will act on it or not. But perhaps you guys can also do the same?
It's a real shame when a guy comes on our thread to try to find good reliable information. But instead just gets suckered in by these shills.
Just my POV.
SEAJ
Achnacloich
03-30-11, 23:28
If you're looking for a high quality outcall service in Beijing make sure you call or email Angel. She delivers a great service over and over again.
http://***************.blog.com/Come on, that's just childish. If we get a good (and actually-existing, rather than imagined) girl, available at on or around the market rate (rather than the bargain prices some of the Donald Trumps and George Soroses on this thread seem to score them at,) surely the point of the thread is to pass her on to our fellow money-burners. The ones I've recommended here are a) real, and be) actually good in bed and make you feel a lot better than you did before you porked them. OK, they tend to be a bit conventional and hygienic in their approach to sex, but as I propose to live for another decade (and would be happy to think they would still be alive, too) I'm not complaining. Women are like that, especially Chinese women, in case you hadn't noticed. Pretending that a recommendation is just a marketing scam is as ridiculous as. Well, as ridiculous as thinking that every girl who chats to you at the bus stop is a working girl. Personally, I would be delighted to read more names and links to real providers, rather than the kind of obscure fantasies (with no possibility of following them up) that are too often posted here. If I wanted that kind of thing I could have just carried on reading the stories on porno magazines of the 1980s. If someone checks out the girls and doesn't like them, or on the other hand confirms what has been said then that's actually useful for everyone else, isn't it? A lot better than just dreaming about the little lovelies, anyway. And as to sucking in Beijing's fragrant cigarette smoke and fizzy beer all evening in a "club," struggling to understand the girl's accent through over-amplified music in return for the off-chance of a freebie, well that's something I'd pay good money just to avoid, personally.
Pussycheck
03-31-11, 05:58
How easy is it to meet and fuck a normal Chinese girl with a regular job in Bejing after max. 1 dinner and what are the places to meet them? Discos, bars, nightclubs.
Horny Hoppy
03-31-11, 06:35
During the People's Congress meeting most small massage parlors / barbershops will be closed. I think most saunas will only offer special services to long term customers.
Good Luck! Does this always happen during a meeting? When is this meeting, so I can try to NOT travel during that time.
How easy is it to meet and fuck a normal Chinese girl with a regular job in Bejing after max. 1 dinner and what are the places to meet them? Discos, bars, nightclubs, .Let me know when you find out, but you must be either really charming, good looking or loaded if you're looking for getting it settled that quickly. Haha.
Achnacloich
04-01-11, 00:38
Does this always happen during a meeting? When is this meeting, so I can try to NOT travel during that time.Ended a few weeks ago, so the green (or red) light's back on. Didn't notice it myself, apart from a few blips with the internet and a few roads blocked off occasionally.
Hello, everyone!
Just want so share my experience with Beijing girls.
Of course, as Lao Wei you can not go around Maggies, I think everyone will find "his" girl there. Price is OK (I had 600 for overnight with quite good service) , but the location is not the best for me. Like tourist "shopping" area*brrrr*
So the better experience I made with this tons of escorts ads finding in the.
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A little higher price (1, 4k for overnight) , but the best service in Beijing I had with "Beijing Angels". I met two girls (not the same night *hehe*) : Carrie and Annie. Both of them gave a real good GFE. Carrie talks good English and is good for smalltalking as well as perfect service.
Annie can not talk any word English, but for me this is no problem, we arranged and had a lot of fun (both of us).
Summarized, if ever I stay in Beijing I will meet a girl from Angels. Service / Price is tons better than e. G."Amelie" and other pseudo-model-girl (3k++ per night).
BTW. The prices you write in your posts here. Which time duration is included in this values? .
Br.
SouldrowIs Annie from Angels really that cute as the picture shows?
The Tanuki
04-01-11, 11:27
Is Annie from Angels really that cute as the picture shows?Even better! Just ask the shills who keep advertising here for Annies.
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Achnacloich
04-01-11, 16:47
The pictures are all fake. Angel's girls just have average look, but their service are not bad.
Hah, good sense of humor.Some are fake. Some not. Solid bets from Angel have been reviewed on this thread, also those worth avoiding. No idea about Annie but Yang Yang (Xiao Yang) , Su Ting, Carrie, Tina, and Sally are all hotter than hell in my personal experience, and in general Angel has been reliable more often than not. Better trusting her judgement than traipsing around the 7th ring road or some poisonous smoke-infested club in my humble opinion.
Is there a listing of the KTV's in Beijing that are worth visiting, or is it mainly just a local karaoke thing?
Sexxystarman
04-02-11, 06:49
Went to Maggies last night and it was much better than I have seen it in a long time. The rainy weather must be keeping some guys away as lots of pussy. Have to say that I didn't like the "band idea" at first but its growing on me. Fun, lively. Atmosphere lately.
I know of one member here who has now had the pleasure of her company. As far as I hear, he will need surgery to get the smile off his face today! .I can only support Traveller China's post! Guys send him a PM to make the contact for.
He seems to know her well and only will forward any inquiery he feels comfortable with.
Guys be gentlemen. And generous.
GregoryB
Just joined up as I'm in Beijing now. Lots of great info on here, already learning a lot!
Can someone post it please?
El Frances
04-02-11, 15:44
Some are fake. Some not. Solid bets from Angel have been reviewed on this thread, also those worth avoiding. No idea about Annie but Yang Yang (Xiao Yang) , Su Ting, Carrie, Tina, and Sally are all hotter than hell in my personal experience, and in general Angel has been reliable more often than not. Better trusting her judgement than traipsing around the 7th ring road or some poisonous smoke-infested club in my humble opinion.As a general rule in China, ALL pictures from ALL websites, craiglist, etc. Are FAKE. Don't loose your time choosing girls according to their picture. Try to explain the kind of girl you like to the mama and hope it will fit.
I've been reading for forever and have decided to post online everytime I make use of this site. Hence:
1. Went to Maggies day before and it was boring. May be 20 odd mongolian women but all ugly or old. No one even caught my eye. Left within 20 mins. Went to den and it was empty. Finally went to suzie wong. Couple of black sluts. None hot. . But one short black was too keen on rubbing her ass on all D*cks but not pretty at all. But hey, there was this bunch of russians and all smoking hot. However, it was difficult to say whether they were working girl or not because they were with a few boys all thru. So, no luck. Went back to hotel.
2. Went straight to chocolate. Smoked some shisha and the place was filled with russians. Again, largely old, fat or ugly. And some that looked well below the legal age. But there were some hotties too. Picked one, for xxxx and went to he apartment which was 2 mins walk from chocolate. Good time. BJ with condom.
Today is Saturday night and am in mood for asian ass. Should I go to maggies? Or call angel?
Is baby face? Or club tang. Any good?
Achnacloich
04-02-11, 17:23
As a general rule in China, ALL pictures from ALL websites, craiglist, etc. Are FAKE. Don't loose your time choosing girls according to their picture. Try to explain the kind of girl you like to the mama and hope it will fit.Excellent principle to follow. However, as of today the photos of Connie, Sally, Pearl, Carrie and Bobo on A's website are genuine. The others I don't know, but one of the girls told me some of them had moved on. Also, of course, some of the hottest aren't on the website.
Seekingals
04-03-11, 05:55
As a general rule in China, ALL pictures from ALL websites, craiglist, etc. Are FAKE. Don't loose your time choosing girls according to their picture. Try to explain the kind of girl you like to the mama and hope it will fit.Yes, it's a general rule in China. I've called dozens of girls in China, but all were fake ones.
Seekingals
04-03-11, 06:03
Excellent principle to follow. However, as of today the photos of Connie, Sally, Pearl, Carrie and Bobo on A's website are genuine. The others I don't know, but one of the girls told me some of them had moved on. Also, of course, some of the hottest aren't on the website.The photos of Connie and Pearl are genuine? Are you sure? Also 500+100taxi for one hour?
Any senior member has called them and would like to share your experience?
I decided to give Waterworld a try. It is located at (chinese characters available on request) . The outside is quite impressive and the text on the wall describes grand buffets and what not. On entering the basic package (pool, shower and lounge) is 139 rmb. The environs are pretty nice, similar to about a Chiniese 4 star hotel. The pool was very hot (42C) and the lounge had a very limited amount of channels, only Chinese channels. After doing the tour (I skipped the restaurant) it was time to go to the 4th floor for the 'massage'. The room had a double bed and a bathroom so it was clear what would be available. The special service cost is 1198 and I doubt it is negotiable. I said I would go for it if the girl was cute. They brought in xiao Zhou and she, while not a stunner in my high standards, was certainly attractive enough. Nice is somewhat standard service and a pretty good sport all things being considered. Total damage after a coke added in was 1371 I think. The outside gives a but higher expectation than is actually delivered but the cost is not really out of line with the service or conditions. If you don't want to take a girl back to your hotel and don't mind finishing in an hour or so, it is not a bad idea. Overnight stays are available but I did not inquire as to the cost for that, but it is an extra.Not sure we are talking about the same place here. Do you remember what number they gave you?
Anyway the best price I could get from them was rmb1500 but the girl was so amazing that it was largely worth it. Unfortunately for us she retired!
Number 26 is pretty and looks quite kinky.
SteelBaton
04-03-11, 11:24
After 2 days in Shanghai, I have a couple of days of business in Beijing and will be staying at the Ritz, Financial Street. Unfortunately, I have business obligations both nights and most of the days, but I am hoping to get in a little mongering one mid-afternoon. From what I have read it sounds like my best option is probably one of the escort services: Angel's, Lily's, China Escort or Maria. I haven't heard much about sauna's and the idea of girl delivered is appealing since I have only a 3 hour window before other appointments. Plus, if the boss is paying, I might as well shag a nice bird in a nice bed.
To check on availability and services, I sent text messages to each place, at about 1:00 pm Beijing-time last week from my home country. Angel, Lily and Maria all responded within about 15-20 minutes, never heard from China Escort. Each of them confirmed that they could send a girl to me as early as 2:00 pm. I asked about 'inventory' and got some responses which sounded acceptable at least in the written word. Best English was Angel, but both Lily and Maria were satisfactory, but clearly not fluent in English. Didn't go into prices but assume it will be 600-800 from RTFF. (And, yes, have read the advocates and dissenters of Angel and will factor that into my final choice, assuming any shop can acutally deliver on expectations and timeframes.)
Hotel: I am a little concerned about whether I'll have a problem bringing a girl into the Ritz in the middle of the business day when a major conference is happening at the hotel. So plan to check that out when I arrive and can case the hotel. Maybe she can just come to my room and knock on the door, or there may be an issue with getting past doorman, or not having a key for elevator. Anyone have any experience with this hotel?
Any suggestions would be welcomed; will report back on how execution of plan goes.
I have another plan for Shanghai, which I'd appreciate feedback on if any of the senior members have an opinion (see post on that thread)
Achnacloich
04-04-11, 01:37
The photos of Connie and Pearl are genuine? Are you sure? Also 500+100taxi for one hour?
Any senior member has called them and would like to share your experience?I also found out yesterday that "Annie" is the English name of Su Ting, who is absolutely stunning and a really sweet girl too. If that's not her on the site it must be her twin sister. My sources would indicate that others who have viewed this post have tried her too, so maybe they could 'fess up. Pearl's Chinese name is Xiao Yang or Yang Yang, and she was definitely heading for the world orgasm record with me a few weeks ago before I came. The fact that she doesn't show her face in the photo tallies with what she said about being a student in Beijing. Sally is a very small (in every way) , short, sweetheart whose real name is Liu. Her face is instantly recognisable. The price you quoted should hold if you bargain a little.
Achnacloich
04-04-11, 07:44
I also found out yesterday that "Annie" is the English name of Su Ting, who is absolutely stunning and a really sweet girl too. If that's not her on the site it must be her twin sister. My sources would indicate that others who have viewed this post have tried her too, so maybe they could 'fess up. Pearl's Chinese name is Xiao Yang or Yang Yang, and she was definitely heading for the world orgasm record with me a few weeks ago before I came. The fact that she doesn't show her face in the photo tallies with what she said about being a student in Beijing. Sally is a very small (in every way) , short, sweetheart whose real name is Liu. Her face is instantly recognisable. The price you quoted should hold if you bargain a little.Sorry, I got "Connie" and "Sally" mixed up in the previous post. Sally is definitely Liu, and a genuine photo, but Connie I don't know. All these "English" names drive you crazy!
I also found out yesterday that "Annie" is the English name of Su Ting, who is absolutely stunning and a really sweet girl too. If that's not her on the site it must be her twin sister. My sources would indicate that others who have viewed this post have tried her too, so maybe they could 'fess up. Pearl's Chinese name is Xiao Yang or Yang Yang, and she was definitely heading for the world orgasm record with me a few weeks ago before I came. The fact that she doesn't show her face in the photo tallies with what she said about being a student in Beijing. Sally is a very small (in every way) , short, sweetheart whose real name is Liu. Her face is instantly recognisable. The price you quoted should hold if you bargain a little.I confess I had a go with Su Ting who is indeed really sweet and fresh. Been to BJ for 3 months, coming from Anhui. 21 years old. It was not amazing, just good but worth every fen I spent on her.
Hello all.
So I've noticed a pharmacy near me with a sign in English saying 'Viagra' and am planning to pick some up to combat annoying whisky dick moments. Does anyone know how much I should be paying and whether I can bargain?
Any help much appreaciated. In any case I'll be sure to report back my experiences.
Was at a Sauna in the east suburbs in Y. O, actually it's already Hebei, but it feels like Beijing.
Due to a precise description here it was easy to find with my GPS.
I don't speak mandarin but with the hand you can clearly indicate what you want and they understand.
Once entering is standard procedure. Take off shoes, be guided to a locker, have a shower and than get assisted by some boys to dry off. On request get a pyjama and zou tell massage. Go 2 levels up (basement is sauna, pool, scrubbing,) .1st floor is food, TV, footmassage etc. 2nd floor is private rooms.
Was guided to a room and asked again what I want on a Chinese menue until the boy made a clear signal for f. K and I said yes. He came back with another menue ranging from 250 to 800. Took the 90 min for 600. They brought some 8 girls and I picked a solid one with nice racks.
She didn't speak any English. We straight to action.
- first some cleaning with wet towels of sensitive parts (no further shower)
- cat bath.
- fire and ice.
- intensive AR.
- ball lickin, BBBJ, DATY
- all no rush but little bit routine.
- than on the cap cow girl, miss, doggy, an others she showed me. Couldn't hold too long.
After this clean, some gentle massage and relax as the 90 min not over.
Some 20 minutes before she started to motivate my littel brother again, started deep kissing, intense hugging. Before I could react I was in her without rubber! This is not what I normally do, but I was so surprised. So we took a 2nd round.
All in all more a Shanghai type of experience.
Loveasiangirls
04-06-11, 03:01
No bargaining in pharmacies and the price is not much different from North America. They will probably ask for your prescription but may not insist on it.
Hello, all.
So I've noticed a pharmacy near me with a sign in English saying 'Viagra' and am planning to pick some up to combat annoying whisky dick moments. Does anyone know how much I should be paying and whether I can bargain?
Any help much appreaciated. In any case I'll be sure to report back my experiences.
RandyM1991
04-06-11, 04:38
Was at a Sauna in the east suburbs in Y. O, actually it's already Hebei, but it feels like Beijing.
Due to a precise description here it was easy to find with my GPS.
I don't speak mandarin but with the hand you can clearly indicate what you want and they understand.
Once entering is standard procedure. Take off shoes, be guided to a locker, have a shower and than get assisted by some boys to dry off. On request get a pyjama and zou tell massage. Go 2 levels up (basement is sauna, pool, scrubbing,).1st floor is food, TV, footmassage etc. 2nd floor is private rooms.
Was guided to a room and asked again what I want on a Chinese menue until the boy made a clear signal for f. K and I said yes. He came back with another menue ranging from 250 to 800. Took the 90 min for 600. They brought some 8 girls and I picked a solid one with nice racks.
She didn't speak any English. We straight to action.
- first some cleaning with wet towels of sensitive parts (no further shower)
- cat bath.
- fire and ice.
- intensive AR.
- ball lickin, BBBJ, DATY
- all no rush but little bit routine.
- than on the cap cow girl, miss, doggy, an others she showed me. Couldn't hold too long.
After this clean, some gentle massage and relax as the 90 min not over.
Some 20 minutes before she started to motivate my littel brother again, started deep kissing, intense hugging. Before I could react I was in her without rubber! This is not what I normally do, but I was so surprised. So we took a 2nd round.
All in all more a Shanghai type of experience. Nice report. I agree with Fernando Alanso! It is nice to get a report with some information (not too much personal info) including prices and sersvices rendered. I always shy away from the sersvices and craigslist opitons. I enjoy the Shanghai type Sauna and am very interested in trying out this place. Thanks!
What can we do with an information like this? What's a reasonable price? What is a great girl in your eyes?
Why don't you tell your experience if it's not a fake at all. Actually took a risk and went with this supposed new offer that has been mentioned and I think most people here think could be shrills. Also finally getting around to posting an FR since I've been in BJ, haha.
Was in a bit of a mood and decided to give this supposedly new contact Crystal (aka Xiaoyu) a call. At first I was slightly skeptical of what sort of quality I could be getting. Apparently Xiaoxiao has gone back but Crystal offered to send Shanshan, both girls as mentioned by some specific people on here. Asked for overnight and was told that she would arrive at 11pm and stay till 6am. But typically (because I don't live in a hotel or fancy condo) Shanshan got 'lost' and only arrived closer to midnight.
FR on Shanshan:
Looks: Best way to describe it is a long hair GND mixed with a CFM look, boob size is probably around a small B. Not the type of sexy hot look. The best thing is I liked about her look were her big eyes and her pouty lips. Definitely liked her dress sense and character.
Frenching: N / A, she was quite adept at dodging kisses.
Catbath: N / A, not very proactive with that.
DATY: She definitely enjoys it although you need to be prepared to eat through a forest. Has a very cute and small pussy.
Fingering: N / A, she doesn't like it.
BBBJ: This was the amusing part, she said '&20320; &22909; &21464; &24577; &21834; &65281; ' ('You're such a pervert! ') when I asked for it, but still willingly did it and I have to admit it was good, not a rush job, no spitting after and a good mix of fast and slow.
FJ: She's accommodating but also a little lazy, aka will just want you to do missionary unless you push her around into a different position. Still managed to try a few and she definitely likes doggy. Note that she doesn't get very wet naturally but entry is still easy.
Service: Lots of GFE and it's quite easy to build some chemistry with her.
RTF: Highly possible with enough money and time, seems like she's here for a short term so if you want to try her, make sure you give Crystal a call.
Damage: 600RMB for ST. 1200RMB for LT / ON.
I have to honestly say that this makes only the third contact I've used for outcall, the first being Angel (which was my first bad impression) and Lily (which unfortunately has been steadily declining in providing ladies I could think were attractive) but I was quite impressed with Shanshan. I seriously need to get a little more balls going and grab pictures of these girls which might make it an easier type for other mongers to judge. I have been accused of having fairly high standards though. Haha.
Hello, all.
So I've noticed a pharmacy near me with a sign in English saying 'Viagra' and am planning to pick some up to combat annoying whisky dick moments. Does anyone know how much I should be paying and whether I can bargain?
Any help much appreaciated. In any case I'll be sure to report back my experiences. Viagra can be found in almost any Chinese pharmacy. Look for the condoms, and in the case next to them you will see Viagra, Cialis, ect. If it is real stuff they will not negotiate. Cost is around 100 RMB / pill. I think it is sold in packs of 1 or 5 pills. They have never asked me for a script.
Good Luck.
Sammy
Achnacloich
04-06-11, 15:49
Nice report. I agree with Fernando Alanso! It is nice to get a report with some information (not too much personal info) including prices and sersvices rendered. I always shy away from the sersvices and craigslist opitons. I enjoy the Shanghai type Sauna and am very interested in trying out this place. Thanks!How can anyone get any valid information from a report which has no location (apart from that of a province) , no name, no contact details, no possibility of following it up, and where the author had to find the place using GPS? Unless one is just into bedtime fantasies that is! Why on earth not just be straightforward, honest, and just say where the place is and how to find it. Oh, right. Sorry, I get it now.
Achnacloich
04-06-11, 23:25
How can anyone get any valid information from a report which has no location (apart from that of a province) , no name, no contact details, no possibility of following it up, and where the author had to find the place using GPS? Unless one is just into bedtime fantasies that is! Why on earth not just be straightforward, honest, and just say where the place is and how to find it. Oh, right. Sorry, I get it now.While we're about it, isn't it just this kind of fantasising (imagining that every girl in a massage parlour is up for sex when she just wants to knead your back, that beautiful, smiling girls who chat to you at a bus stop are on the game when they're just being pretty and charming and want to see what you're like etc.) that leads to 90% of sex crimes? And isn't it beautiful women who actually exist and are willing to sell their services for a reasonable market rate who prevent the aforesaid crimes? I know what most women would say about that, at least. And I'm pretty sure which of these two most normal, healthy, men who just fancy a bit of escapism in their lives from time to time would prefer to read about, too. This business may have its moral downside, but there's no sense in dragging it lower than it has to go.
well it's a couple of day's delayed but i wanted to provide a quick report on my short visit to beijing this past sunday. actually my visit was in two parts because i had a business trip to the ukraine between the stops in beijing. the 1st stop was for 3 days and unfortunately i don't have anything to report because i was visiting with a girlfriend of mine, so no other action around beijing. but on my return i had only about 24 hours and i wanted to make it worth my while.
so to start the morning i had an outcall massage setup to be at my room around 10a. m. [i would like to thank kajos for assisting me with this lady because it was someone he knows and since i don't speak any chinese he assisted me with making the appointment]. now when she arrived she was fairly average looking but not bad, the main problem through the whole visit was that she would not stop chatting! it got pretty annoying when you don't understand a word she is saying. 8-) anyway ended up getting a pretty decent massage and a pretty good bbbjtc. so all in all it was worth it for the 400 i paid her. i probably could have paid less but of course she was asking for 800 so i figured i am good with 400.
since i arrived at the hotel at 6a. m. i decided to take a little nap and then took a stroll around the mall that was close by (* the mall that is next to the jw marriott *). saw tons of beautiful ladies in the mall and i decided to smoke a cigar outside of one of the coffee shops since it was an amazing sunny day. i then went back to my room and setup an appointment with one of angel's girls. angel was very helpful and she sent over 'annie' [which i think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. well she came over around 5pm and man when i opened the door i started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. she was beautiful! the kind of girl i had hoped to meet while in beijing. the service was great. had a quick shower and then got to business. great bbbj and a great sensual ride. total cost was 600 + 100 taxi. now in hindsight i should have paid for this girl the rest of the night.
finally around 10pm i decided to go check out chocolate. now i like a hookah so i thought i would partake and check it out first before i go to maggies. anyway chocolate has a pretty cool setup but as most of you know it was mainly just filled with russian ladies. now coming from the ukraine i was thinking who brought all these ugly russian chicks. seriously. the girls in the ukraine put them to shame. anyway i was there for some asian loving so i left the russian alone and just enjoyed my 1 beer and the hookah. around 11:30 i finally went over to maggies and i actually met kajos there so i could buy him a couple of beers (for the assistance he provided). great guy to hit the bars with if you guy's ever have a chance. anyway, when i first got into maggies i was basically attacked by this one chinese girl (i forget her name but mary or mimi or something like that). since she spoke fluent english i felt more comfortable hanging out with her but once again in hindsight i now know i made a mistake because i didn't even get to check out the rest of the selection. well i enjoyed maggies and thought the music was pretty good. obviously i ended up taking this chinese girl back with me after negotiating 1000 for all night. now she did end up giving a great bbbjtcim but she broke the deal by leaving early and i really gave her a hard time about it. she started giving me the sob speech and i just had enough and let her go. i figured i only had 2 more hours before i have to go to the airport so not too much of a loss. anyway i wouldn't pick her again.
but that's it. my triple play in 24hours in beijing. i definitely look forward to another visit soon.
For those interested in what's been happening in the Beijing sauna world in recent months, well, it's a mixed bag. Things have been slowly creeping back to something that, if not normal, is at least a semblance of normality.
Some saunas, including one I used to frequent, have closed, never, it would seem, to re-open. Others are operating reasonably normally, but they're still being cautious. And business is, I hear, down, with customers presumably put off by the perception of greater risks, or of poorer service. And they wouldn't be entirely wrong.
One sauna often mentioned in this thread has cut its session time from nearly an hour and a half to just over one hour; the girls aren't allowed to strip right off, and the number of girls is about half what it was before the crackdown. All this for the same price (which wasn't cheap to begin with). However, this is much better than last summer, when the sauna closed its doors (for "repairs") for a couple of months, then reopened doing legit massage only.
If you live in Beijing and like the Chinese sauna experience, and can afford the high prices, then maybe it's time to dip toes back into the water.
But, be careful over the next few days. The big crackdown officially started on 11 April last year (though its effects weren't evident for a few weeks). It's possible there'll be anniversary raids on Monday just to prove the authorities are serious. Some sauna people are expecting a further relaxation once the anniversary has passed. Let's hope they're right. (Maybe the police will busy out there detaining even more dissidents.)
Thank you for writing those kind words about Annie / Su Ting. She will be thrilled when I tell her you enjoyed being with her so much. So it sounds like from your experience you get what you pay for, right? Hehehe.Preferable if you do not refer to this site as a specific reference in your feedback to Su Ting. Nobody needs the drama of girls getting online and figuring out which members are who and who knows who and who's doing what. You can see the problems on other boards when a girl goes apeshit after finding out her regular has been fucking her best friend on the side, or her "true love" spent the weekend banging ladyboys when he was supposed to be flying home for his grandma's funeral. Why even let them know about the site if you don't have to?
The other problem is you're working against yourself by letting the girls know about the site. As a shill, you want more members to post reports on these girls. But if I know your girls are getting access to this site, I won't write a report (unless the experience was terrible and I never intend to repeat). First is, do I want her to know I might post anything about her online? Not all girls are OK with that. Second, there's no way I'd want to write anything negative, no matter how significant or true. I mean, do you think a typical Chinese girl (pro or not) would be able to see something unfavorable publicly posted about them and that everything would be OK the next time they came over?"Xiao Li, body is a 7, bad skin, pussy kind of loose, anal was a big bonus, but laid there like a dead fish. Will only do again when I have no other appealing options." Probably going to be some hard feelings the next time I order Xiao Li. That's a strong example, but even a slightly uncomplimentary comment like "mediocre BJ" can be a big big mianzi problem. So you can be sure I'm not posting on the Angel girl I've had so far. Better if the girls just don't know about this site at all.
If you're trying to thrill Su Ting, give her cash. If you're trying to improve her service quality, teach her some better BJ skills. Or tell Angel to teach her. I'm happy to help.
anyway, when i first got into maggies i was basically attacked by this one chinese girl (i forget her name but mary or mimi or something like that). since she spoke fluent english i felt more comfortable hanging out with her but once again in hindsight i now know i made a mistake because i didn't even get to check out the rest of the selection. well i enjoyed maggies and thought the music was pretty good. obviously i ended up taking this chinese girl back with me after negotiating 1000 for all night. now she did end up giving a great bbbjtcim but she broke the deal by leaving early and i really gave her a hard time about it. she started giving me the sob speech and i just had enough and let her go. i figured i only had 2 more hours before i have to go to the airport so not too much of a loss. anyway i wouldn't pick her again.the girl was mary from chongqing. someone's reported on her here a while back as mary, sichuan, looking for a german husband. been curious about her and whether she was going to follow through with the agreement for all night. saw her back at maggies a few hours later. i got a good look around at the rest of the selection that night, not too much you missed out on! lot of older, bigger chinese ladies. was fun to have some beers, see you next time!
AngelsInBeijing
04-08-11, 00:37
Preferable if you do not refer to this site as a specific reference in your feedback to Su Ting. Nobody needs the drama of girls getting online and figuring out which members are who and who knows who and who's doing what. You can see the problems on other boards when a girl goes apeshit after finding out her regular has been fucking her best friend on the side, or her "true love" spent the weekend banging ladyboys when he was supposed to be flying home for his grandma's funeral. Why even let them know about the site if you don't have to?
The other problem is you're working against yourself by letting the girls know about the site. As a shill, you want more members to post reports on these girls. But if I know your girls are getting access to this site, I won't write a report (unless the experience was terrible and I never intend to repeat). First is, do I want her to know I might post anything about her online? Not all girls are OK with that. Second, there's no way I'd want to write anything negative, no matter how significant or true. I mean, do you think a typical Chinese girl (pro or not) would be able to see something unfavorable publicly posted about them and that everything would be OK the next time they came over?"Xiao Li, body is a 7, bad skin, pussy kind of loose, anal was a big bonus, but laid there like a dead fish. Will only do again when I have no other appealing options." Probably going to be some hard feelings the next time I order Xiao Li. That's a strong example, but even a slightly uncomplimentary comment like "mediocre BJ" can be a big big mianzi problem. So you can be sure I'm not posting on the Angel girl I've had so far. Better if the girls just don't know about this site at all.
If you're trying to thrill Su Ting, give her cash. If you're trying to improve her service quality, teach her some better BJ skills. Or tell Angel to teach her. I'm happy to help. Thank you for your kind offer Kajos. I'm sure Su Ting will be very happy to take your advice about her service the next time you meet. It was interesting to learn that Kajos is your real name. Where are you from?
The Tanuki
04-08-11, 00:56
.....So you can be sure I'm not posting on the Angel girl I've had so far. Better if the girls just don't know about this site at all.Nice thought, but it's way too late for that. ISG is quite well-known among the WG's in BJ. That's one reason why many of them refuse to allow any pictures. Some girls found their twats in living color here and were not happy. It's always a good rule to think about what you post before you put it in the public realm.
TT
Nice thought, but it's way too late for that. ISG is quite well-known among the WG's in BJ. That's one reason why many of them refuse to allow any pictures. Some girls found their twats in living color here and were not happy. It's always a good rule to think about what you post before you put it in the public realm.
TTYes many of them know, but still many do not. And it doesn't make good sense for anyone, especially a shill, to actively inform the girls of the latest postings.
Achnacloich
04-09-11, 03:05
Preferable if you do not refer to this site as a specific reference in your feedback to Su Ting. Nobody needs the drama of girls getting online and figuring out which members are who and who knows who and who's doing what. You can see the problems on other boards when a girl goes apeshit after finding out her regular has been fucking her best friend on the side, or her "true love" spent the weekend banging ladyboys when he was supposed to be flying home for his grandma's funeral. Why even let them know about the site if you don't have to?
The other problem is you're working against yourself by letting the girls know about the site. As a shill, you want more members to post reports on these girls. But if I know your girls are getting access to this site, I won't write a report (unless the experience was terrible and I never intend to repeat). First is, do I want her to know I might post anything about her online? Not all girls are OK with that. Second, there's no way I'd want to write anything negative, no matter how significant or true. I mean, do you think a typical Chinese girl (pro or not) would be able to see something unfavorable publicly posted about them and that everything would be OK the next time they came over?"Xiao Li, body is a 7, bad skin, pussy kind of loose, anal was a big bonus, but laid there like a dead fish. Will only do again when I have no other appealing options." Probably going to be some hard feelings the next time I order Xiao Li. That's a strong example, but even a slightly uncomplimentary comment like "mediocre BJ" can be a big big mianzi problem. So you can be sure I'm not posting on the Angel girl I've had so far. Better if the girls just don't know about this site at all.
If you're trying to thrill Su Ting, give her cash. If you're trying to improve her service quality, teach her some better BJ skills. Or tell Angel to teach her. I'm happy to help.Can this be real? Someone offering to give working girls sex lessons? I must admit I for one would find it difficult to take advice about paid-for sex services from someone who seems to be so out of touch with the reality of the business. And if we're not using our real names on this thread, where's the problem? Should we stick to reality on this thread in future? Might be more informative.
One small item after a recent trip to Waterworld, the standard special service room does not have a shower and if you want to shower it is a pretty steep 900 rmb more for a VIP room. Not sure if the girl is upgraded also, but might be worth asking if going for a high end experience. Also if you don't ask they might send you to a simple oil message which are in different rooms. If they give you a room with a message table, there is no sex there. I had to ask for 'te bei fu wu' and they got the idea.
I thought it only happens to other people. But it happened to a smart guy like me. (LOL)
I was ripped off 1000USD but am smiling because I am alive.
I placed ad in CL. She responded with her number. We talked and she was pretty decent to speak with and absolutely charming voice and spoke intelligently. We met in city and I was quite impressed by her grace and that she was taking care of me as a I was foriegner to her country. First, she took me to tea house. First wham when I signed a check for $250 for cup of tea. Given that I am not smart and was still figuring the currency conversion. I followed her to her next trap. A bar, where we spend another $100. It went on and on. And then she came to my hotel and ordered some seafood. Then she threw up. She became a liability and I did not want to touch her. I let her out soon I noticed she was not drunk anymore.
Her email peiyongjunlove@XXXXXX
After getting home, I googled for her email and HOLY SCHMOLY I found a post in this forum about her ripping off another dude. She is not alone. There are many more like her out there.
Achnacloich
04-09-11, 10:18
I thought it only happens to other people. But it happened to a smart guy like me. (LOL)
I was ripped off 1000USD but am smiling because I am alive.
I placed ad in CL. She responded with her number. We talked and she was pretty decent to speak with and absolutely charming voice and spoke intelligently. We met in city and I was quite impressed by her grace and that she was taking care of me as a I was foriegner to her country. First, she took me to tea house. First wham when I signed a check for $250 for cup of tea. Given that I am not smart and was still figuring the currency conversion. I followed her to her next trap. A bar, where we spend another $100. It went on and on. And then she came to my hotel and ordered some seafood. Then she threw up. She became a liability and I did not want to touch her. I let her out soon I noticed she was not drunk anymore.
Her email peiyongjunlove@XXXXXX
After getting home, I googled for her email and HOLY SCHMOLY I found a post in this forum about her ripping off another dude. She is not alone. There are many more like her out there. Sure, bad luck, and well done for sharing. But it's not really that surprising that it happens. On this forum we have guys who reckon it's a good idea to offer sex lessons to prostitutes, career off into the countryside searching for massage parlours using GPS as their guide, and think girls who chat to them at the bus stop are on the game. Where we come from we're reasonably tolerant of this kind of muggery, but here the rule about "not giving a sucker an even break" is taken to the max. The general rule here is that no-one who is not a family member is entitled to rip you off and smile in your face afterwards. The only way to get by is to be even more villainous than them, and even more suspicious of every word and action. Them's the rules.
Can this be real? Someone offering to give working girls sex lessons? I must admit I for one would find it difficult to take advice about paid-for sex services from someone who seems to be so out of touch with the reality of the business. And if we're not using our real names on this thread, where's the problem? Should we stick to reality on this thread in future? Might be more informative.I've been living in China over 15 years and know the business well. In my experience, all great professional local service providers have been trained. Training is either run by one of the senior girls or for example at YDC sauna / naked-KTV, training was run in a group setting by an outside professional trainer. (I say was, because I called last week and the main line and managers' cell phones didn't connect. Anyone know what's going on with them now?) Like some other members on the China board, I've been lucky enough to have been there when a new girl needed hands-on training. And I've also learned a lot from asking great providers about their training and tricks. I suppose Angel's not motivated to train her girls since she has a captive audience of foreigners happy to partake of the services.
One of the only useful posts recently, pekshy's post on the sauna, got a similar snide and useless remark from you about how we should stick to "reality" and "informative" posts. I appreciate that pekshy was careful enough not to post the name of the sauna publicly, but that any member can easily PM him for the info. Perhaps your assumption that you know "the reality of the business" contributes to your poor attitude? Certainly, posts like yours don't encourage members to contribute. In any case, I'm happy there is a still an active and vibrant exchange between senior members through PM on this board.
Peace.
Achnacloich
04-09-11, 23:37
I've been living in China over 15 years and know the business well. In my experience, all great professional local service providers have been trained. Training is either run by one of the senior girls or for example at YDC sauna / naked-KTV, training was run in a group setting by an outside professional trainer. (I say was, because I called last week and the main line and managers' cell phones didn't connect. Anyone know what's going on with them now?) Like some other members on the China board, I've been lucky enough to have been there when a new girl needed hands-on training. And I've also learned a lot from asking great providers about their training and tricks. I suppose Angel's not motivated to train her girls since she has a captive audience of foreigners happy to partake of the services.
One of the only useful posts recently, pekshy's post on the sauna, got a similar snide and useless remark from you about how we should stick to "reality" and "informative" posts. I appreciate that pekshy was careful enough not to post the name of the sauna publicly, but that any member can easily PM him for the info. Perhaps your assumption that you know "the reality of the business" contributes to your poor attitude? Certainly, posts like yours don't encourage members to contribute. In any case, I'm happy there is a still an active and vibrant exchange between senior members through PM on this board.
PeaceOh, I see now. That must be why Unborn Son was so delighted with the girl you "provided" to him on his recent weekend.
"So to start the morning I had an outcall massage setup to be at my room around 10am [I would like to thank Kajos for assisting me with this lady because it was someone he knows and since I don't speak any Chinese he assisted me with making the appointment]. Now when she arrived she was fairly average looking but not bad, the main problem through the whole visit was that she would not stop chatting! It got pretty annoying when you don't understand a word she is saying. 8-)"
As opposed to the poorly. Trained girl Angel sent over."Angel was very helpful and she sent over 'Annie' [which I think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. Well she came over around 5pm and man when I opened the door I started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. She was beautiful! The kind of girl I had hoped to meet while in Beijing. The service was great."
Hmmm. I think I know whose training I'd rather dream about! But I guess that's not a "useful" post, according to you?
Hey.
I was thinking of heading over to Yanjiao this week. What are the best days / time of day to hit up a sauna? The largest selection will be available after 8pm. But I went with a senior member on a Sunday afternoon around 4 or 5 a couple months back, and there was still a decent bunch to choose from.
Vera Petrova
04-10-11, 17:24
Travelled to Beijing early this week and have called all these four outcall service providers in the past few days. Write a report here, hope it's helpful to you.
I was in Beijing one week ago and used outcall services as usual. It was only for a few days so no innovative behaviour. The 500+ 100 Taxi still rules, no problem about it.
Maria.
This time I used the 500+100 girls, not the 800 girls. They were a little less pretty but quite cute enough. 18-19 years (my request). Service more or less unexperienced, but nice attitude (anyway that's what I expected from young girls, no disapointment). I forgot Maria believes that Laoweis only like big tits, so the girs were a bit (just a bit) too fat. Next time I will ask for small tits to make sure I'll get a small ass!
Lili.
As usual, good customer-oriented service, friendly girls (with some minimal knowledge of English now) , more experienced and older (around 23/24 years).
Frankly I don't understand why people go on trying Craiglist's scams and not use some (at least statistically) reliable providers like those two (never tried Angel, I cannot comment) Called Maria on the first night, just because El Frances is a very senior member, no reason to distrust him. I've got two girls from Maria. The first one is a 600 (500+100taxi) girl, her name's Ya Li (just Chinese Pin Yin, not English name).20 yrs old, busty and slim, cute, about 161 cms, good service and nice attitude.
The second one is a 800 (including taxi) quality model, her name's Xia Ke. 19 yrs old. 168cms, busty and slim, model quality with fair and silky skin, good service and nice attitude.
El Frances, Thank you for your contributions again. Hope to read more reports from these senior members, after all most of them are trustworthy.
Actually took a risk and went with this supposed new offer that has been mentioned and I think most people here think could be shrills. Also finally getting around to posting an FR since I've been in BJ, haha.
Was in a bit of a mood and decided to give this supposedly new contact Crystal (aka Xiaoyu) a call. At first I was slightly skeptical of what sort of quality I could be getting. Apparently Xiaoxiao has gone back but Crystal offered to send Shanshan, both girls as mentioned by some specific people on here. Asked for overnight and was told that she would arrive at 11pm and stay till 6am. But typically (because I don't live in a hotel or fancy condo) Shanshan got 'lost' and only arrived closer to midnight.
FR on Shanshan:
Looks: Best way to describe it is a long hair GND mixed with a CFM look, boob size is probably around a small B. Not the type of sexy hot look. The best thing is I liked about her look were her big eyes and her pouty lips. Definitely liked her dress sense and character.
Frenching: N / A, she was quite adept at dodging kisses.
Catbath: N / A, not very proactive with that.
DATY: She definitely enjoys it although you need to be prepared to eat through a forest. Has a very cute and small pussy.
Fingering: N / A, she doesn't like it.
BBBJ: This was the amusing part, she said '&20320; &22909; &21464; &24577; &21834; &65281; ' ('You're such a pervert! ') when I asked for it, but still willingly did it and I have to admit it was good, not a rush job, no spitting after and a good mix of fast and slow.
FJ: She's accommodating but also a little lazy, aka will just want you to do missionary unless you push her around into a different position. Still managed to try a few and she definitely likes doggy. Note that she doesn't get very wet naturally but entry is still easy.
Service: Lots of GFE and it's quite easy to build some chemistry with her.
RTF: Highly possible with enough money and time, seems like she's here for a short term so if you want to try her, make sure you give Crystal a call.
Damage: 600RMB for ST. 1200RMB for LT / ON.
I have to honestly say that this makes only the third contact I've used for outcall, the first being Angel (which was my first bad impression) and Lily (which unfortunately has been steadily declining in providing ladies I could think were attractive) but I was quite impressed with Shanshan. I seriously need to get a little more balls going and grab pictures of these girls which might make it an easier type for other mongers to judge. I have been accused of having fairly high standards though. Haha. Thank you for your genuine and detailed report, Nameci. ShanShan was just what you wrote above.
I've called dozens of girls from Craigslist in the past few months. The first funny thing is that most of them quoted a very high price at the begining, such as 2000 rmb for ST, then negotiate to 800, even 500. So it seems almost reasonable to think they will send the same girls at different prices if you don't negotiate with them.
The second funny thing is that many of Craigs girls have several different phone numbers even a dozen. So when you complain a bad treatment and turn to call another girl, actually you do deal with the same 'she'.
And the 3rd funny thing is that All the claims of 100% independent and 100% real picture are fake, don't believe it. Don't think you're doing deal with the independent girls. Actually they are a mami, stable, joint, or agency.
The 4th funny thing that I found is that so many phone numbers in the Beijing classified ads are from Shanghai, and at the same time the girl claims in her ads she's 100% independent. Don't believe it. Do business in Beijing but use a Shanghai phone number, funny!
So far, only a stable named Escort China is an exception. It charges reasonable 700 rmb (600+100taxi) for ST in the begining, don't start at a very high price, and the most important thing for me is the girl's quality and their service quality. I've had three girls from the stable so far. The first time, I asked for No. 1 on its website, I was told definitely it's not a real picture, but will send the similar girl for me. The first girl was ok. 22 yrs old, beautiful. 36C. 163cm, fair smooth skin and playful, BBBJ for me.
The second girl are also not bad. 23 yrs old, less beautiful than the first one, her skin is also very smooth but not so fair, but the wonderful thing is she has a 38C boobs. BBBJ for me.
The 3rd girl has great look and quality, for at the 3rd time, I became the VIP customer of the stable. So I chose a busty VIP girl at my 3rd time. It charges 1000 (including taxi) , not 700 (600+100taxi) for ST. I had a really wonderful time with the 3rd girl, she's 20 yrs old, great look, figure and smile, about 168cm. 36C genuine boobs, very fair and silky skin, very tender and patient. Besides she only BJ for me, her service was great. Her name's Yang Yang. P. S. The stable's number159. 0155. 7624, and the website address escortchina. Blog. Com, by the way, the pictures on its website are not real, but I suggest you'd better tell her (mami or just a telephone operator) over phone that which Number girl you prefer so as to get the right type girl of your liking, because she just speak a little English, if you say too much she surely can not get your point. Called Escort China for the two 700 (600+100taxi) girls you mentioned above, really good. The first girl you mentioned above is Lucy and the second is Alice. And I will call for its 1000 quality girls later. Thanks for your contribution again, ChinBro.
I also found out yesterday that "Annie" is the English name of Su Ting, who is absolutely stunning and a really sweet girl too. If that's not her on the site it must be her twin sister. My sources would indicate that others who have viewed this post have tried her too, so maybe they could 'fess up. Pearl's Chinese name is Xiao Yang or Yang Yang, and she was definitely heading for the world orgasm record with me a few weeks ago before I came. The fact that she doesn't show her face in the photo tallies with what she said about being a student in Beijing. Sally is a very small (in every way) , short, sweetheart whose real name is Liu. Her face is instantly recognisable. The price you quoted should hold if you bargain a little.Called Angel for Annie and Pearl, their pictures on the website are both fake. I don't know why. But their services are good.
I hung out with Unborn Son and talked about both the massage girl and Angel's girl. I think I've described the older ex-sauna girl pretty accurately in my posts. I tried Annie on his recommendation and really enjoyed myself. Does that mean she's well trained? No. She's like a sweet and young girl next door. Do I consistently pay less for better service from hotter girls? Yes. Absolutely no regrets about my time with her, may or may not RTF.
US's post was useful. Your posts are often useful too. I was referring to your repetitive comments on pekshy, FA, etc.
End of conversation, hope you will drop the suspicion and cynicism.
Oh, I see now. That must be why Unborn Son was so delighted with the girl you "provided" to him on his recent weekend.
"So to start the morning I had an outcall massage setup to be at my room around 10am [I would like to thank Kajos for assisting me with this lady because it was someone he knows and since I don't speak any Chinese he assisted me with making the appointment]. Now when she arrived she was fairly average looking but not bad, the main problem through the whole visit was that she would not stop chatting! It got pretty annoying when you don't understand a word she is saying. 8-)"
As opposed to the poorly. Trained girl Angel sent over."Angel was very helpful and she sent over 'Annie' [which I think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. Well she came over around 5pm and man when I opened the door I started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. She was beautiful! The kind of girl I had hoped to meet while in Beijing. The service was great."
Hmmm. I think I know whose training I'd rather dream about! But I guess that's not a "useful" post, according to you?
Achnacloich
04-10-11, 22:39
Travelled to Beijing early this week and have called all these four outcall service providers in the past few days. Write a report here, hope it's helpful to you.
Called Maria on the first night, just because El Frances is a very senior member, no reason to distrust him. I've got two girls from Maria. The first one is a 600 (500+100taxi) girl, her name's Ya Li (just Chinese Pin Yin, not English name).20 yrs old, busty and slim, cute, about 161 cms, good service and nice attitude.
The second one is a 800 (including taxi) quality model, her name's Xia Ke. 19 yrs old. 168cms, busty and slim, model quality with fair and silky skin, good service and nice attitude.
El Frances, Thank you for your contributions again. Hope to read more reports from these senior members, after all most of them are trustworthy.
Thank you for your genuine and detailed report, Nameci. ShanShan was just what you wrote above.
Called Escort China for the two 700 (600+100taxi) girls you mentioned above, really good. The first girl you mentioned above is Lucy and the second is Alice. And I will call for its 1000 quality girls later. Thanks for your contribution again, ChinBro.
Called Angel for Annie and Pearl, their pictures on the website are both fake. I don't know why. But their services are good.Definitely not! Unless she sent you different girls, which is conceivable, or perhaps the fact that neither photo shows their faces had something to do with it.
El Frances
04-11-11, 06:10
I thought it only happens to other people. But it happened to a smart guy like me. (LOL)
I was ripped off 1000USD but am smiling because I am alive.
I placed ad in CL. She responded with her number. We talked and she was pretty decent to speak with and absolutely charming voice and spoke intelligently. We met in city and I was quite impressed by her grace and that she was taking care of me as a I was foriegner to her country. First, she took me to tea house. First wham when I signed a check for $250 for cup of tea. Given that I am not smart and was still figuring the currency conversion. I followed her to her next trap. A bar, where we spend another $100. It went on and on. And then she came to my hotel and ordered some seafood. Then she threw up. She became a liability and I did not want to touch her. I let her out soon I noticed she was not drunk anymore.
Her email peiyongjunlove@XXXXXX
After getting home, I googled for her email and HOLY SCHMOLY I found a post in this forum about her ripping off another dude. She is not alone. There are many more like her out there. A few years ago, I posted an add in? (maybe the Beijinger or similar). Most of the answers I got were girls who approach tourists to scam them (you know, the type: "we are students, we want to improve our English! Do you know the Tea ceremony?). So what happenned to you is not surprising. It's the same girls who scam tourists around popular tourists spots.
El Frances
04-11-11, 06:20
Travelled to Beijing early this week and have called all these four outcall service providers in the past few days. Write a report here, hope it's helpful to you.
Called Maria on the first night, just because El Frances is a very senior member, no reason to distrust him. I've got two girls from Maria. The first one is a 600 (500+100taxi) girl, her name's Ya Li (just Chinese Pin Yin, not English name).20 yrs old, busty and slim, cute, about 161 cms, good service and nice attitude.
The second one is a 800 (including taxi) quality model, her name's Xia Ke. 19 yrs old. 168cms, busty and slim, model quality with fair and silky skin, good service and nice attitude.
El Frances, Thank you for your contributions again. Hope to read more reports from these senior members, after all most of them are trustworthy.
Thank you for your genuine and detailed report, Nameci. ShanShan was just what you wrote above.
Called Escort China for the two 700 (600+100taxi) girls you mentioned above, really good. The first girl you mentioned above is Lucy and the second is Alice. And I will call for its 1000 quality girls later. Thanks for your contribution again, ChinBro.
Called Angel for Annie and Pearl, their pictures on the website are both fake. I don't know why. But their services are good. Thank you for this informative post! I'm glad to see many posts that are not on Maggies in this thread now. Gosh! It took several years! Ah! Ah!
2 comments:
It's very informative to try several providers, but I would advise to keep with only one or two. Once the mama has identified you as a repeat customer, she will introduce better girls, tell you when she has received a new talent, etc.
Could you also comment on quality of girls at different prices? I always fear to get the same type of girls for different prices (to be honest, if I were a pimp, that's what I would do! Ah! Ah!). Is the quality difference clearly noticeable? In which way?
Cheers
Having watched this board fill up with posts about various providers, I tried Angels.
Hooray- Angel, or whoever mans the phone, was very responsive.
Boo. Everything else.
First, none of the girls with a face showing on the webpage were available. Not a good sign but I was determined to see for myself how the service rated given all the mud slinging. Told me they would send someone (very) young and pretty. I didn't ask how young just assumed young meant 18-19. Girl came about 40mins later. I wouldn't call her young; to me she looked to be 24-25. Just my guess, could be wrong. She was okay looking, I'll be generous and give her a 7, but then take away. 5 for having tats. After washing up and brushing teeth, etc, we went to the bedroom. Went to kiss her but she dodged it and said no, not even a peck on the cheek. Onto the bed where she started to lick my chest and fake moan. Moved her way down but stopped when she got to mr happy to get her wet cloths. I guess the shower 5 mins earlier wasn't enough. Cleaned him, bagged him, and then a first for me, she put a hole in a wet cloth and shoved that over mr. Happy too, I guess so she wouldn't have to make any skin to skin contact down there or when doing the deed. About a min. Of BJ and I went for DATY and that was a non starter too. I decided that was enough and told her to leave. A first for me as I usually am willing to suffer through bad service but not this time. Que sera.
Hooray. Customer service.
They sent me a second girl. This one provided good service. Willing to kiss, liked BBBJ, multiple positions, and not worried about size of mr. Happy. This one looks 6, service 8.
Sorry to the supporter's of Angels. Maybe it was a bad night, but that was my experience.
Would I use this service again; maybe yes because customer service was good; but I think I would only let them deliver a girl if it is one with a face you can see beforehand.
Norm Deploom
04-13-11, 11:31
Any recomendations also in the outskirts of Beijing, Shunyi, ?I would be glad to know different, but I've done some research. I have not found any good options in Shunyi. There is one disgusting place near the airport that caters to locals. I tried it once (I'll try most things once) but would not repeat. My driver (a solid man of few words. Smart enough to pretend he doesn't speak english around my wife!) also has no recommendations.
I have been able to convince a few girls at legit massage places for some extra services, but no FS and only one who would do more than HJ. This is an untapped market for some smart, discreet provider.
If anyone has some tips, I'd also be glad to hear them.
Hi. I am going to bejing in a few weeks time. And this si my first trip to Bejing.
So I wonder if any body here have stayed at the New century hotel.
How's the night life? Etc. Etc.
Girls?
Price?
Thanks in advance.
Robbich
Bad Boy Billy
04-13-11, 23:39
Thank you for this informative post! I'm glad to see many posts that are not on Maggies in this thread now. Gosh! It took several years! Ah! Ah!El Frances. You seem to be the biggest proponent of Incall / Outcall services in Beijing. Are you up for a challenge?
I will be in Beijing 2 or 3 times over next 2 or 3 months. Lets see if our paths can cross.
Let's put a couple Maggies girls up against any incall girls you can arrange and we will do an accurate comparison.
I will arrange and pay for a Maggies girl of your choice. Of course I will take one myself. And you can post your findings the next morning.
You arrange for a couple of incall girls from any providor you want. And I will still pay. Then we can both post our findings.
Are you interested my friend. All in the name of Qualitative Research of course and solely with the intention of providing valuable feedback to our brothers on this site.
Wow, I wish I could be part of this experiment.
El Frances. You seem to be the biggest proponent of Incall / Outcall services in Beijing. Are you up for a challenge?
I will be in Beijing 2 or 3 times over next 2 or 3 months. Lets see if our paths can cross.
Let's put a couple Maggies girls up against any incall girls you can arrange and we will do an accurate comparison.
I will arrange and pay for a Maggies girl of your choice. Of course I will take one myself. And you can post your findings the next morning.
You arrange for a couple of incall girls from any providor you want. And I will still pay. Then we can both post our findings.
Are you interested my friend. All in the name of Qualitative Research of course and solely with the intention of providing valuable feedback to our brothers on this site.
Bad Boy Billy
04-14-11, 04:23
Wow, I wish I could be part of this experiment.You might get a chance mate. I will pm you when I am heading into town. There are a few of us who want to catch up to you.
By the way. Have you been to Maggies yet and cut one from the herd there?
Great, think we missed the last time you were here to catch up didn't we?
Would be interesting to get to know some of the ISG mates.
And no, I haven't tried Maggies yet. Haven't found anyone who's in the know to give me the rundown there so I don't fancy going in unprepared. Haha.
You might get a chance mate. I will pm you when I am heading into town. There are a few of us who want to catch up to you.
By the way. Have you been to Maggies yet and cut one from the herd there?
Bad Boy Billy
04-14-11, 07:15
Great, think we missed the last time you were here to catch up didn't we?
Would be interesting to get to know some of the ISG mates.
And no, I haven't tried Maggies yet. Haven't found anyone who's in the know to give me the rundown there so I don't fancy going in unprepared. Haha. Impossible to go in unprepared. You walk in the door. Buy a drink. Avoid any bar girl with a badge attached like she is a leper.
Any other girl without a badge who even looks remotrely sideways at you is on the game.
Choose one from the herd. Negotiate the price. You can be out the door in 5 minutes.
You will see what you get. You will not get a surprise like when the incall girl knocks on your door. And for the RMB1, 000 you will pay her for LT will make the 500/600 or whatever incall girls charge appear terribly expensive.
Hmm, sounds like decent advice. Will give it a go tonight then. Am supposed to show someone around the 'club scene' so I might just venture down to Maggies. Might actually get something out of it.
Impossible to go in unprepared. You walk in the door. Buy a drink. Avoid any bar girl with a badge attached like she is a leper.
Any other girl without a badge who even looks remotrely sideways at you is on the game.
Choose one from the herd. Negotiate the price. You can be out the door in 5 minutes.
You will see what you get. You will not get a surprise like when the incall girl knocks on your door. And for the RMB1, 000 you will pay her for LT will make the 500/600 or whatever incall girls charge appear terribly expensive.
Bad Boy Billy
04-14-11, 07:41
Hmm, sounds like decent advice. Will give it a go tonight then. Am supposed to show someone around the 'club scene' so I might just venture down to Maggies. Might actually get something out of it.Go to Chocolate first. Around 11:30. Have a look there. Then Maggies post 12.
The Tanuki
04-14-11, 09:53
Go to Chocolate first. Around 11:30. Have a look there. Then Maggies post 12.If you have time, take a look at Suzy Wong's bar. That starts much earlier. Since it's right next door to Annie's you can get a nice Italian dinner, go up and see what sort of babes are at Suzy's then off to Ritan Park clubs later on. Makes it simple! Hehehe.
The Tanuki
If you have time, take a look at Suzy Wong's bar. That starts much earlier. Since it's right next door to Annie's you can get a nice Italian dinner, go up and see what sort of babes are at Suzy's then off to Ritan Park clubs later on. Makes it simple! Hehehe.
The TanukiTanuki: Are you sure about Suzy Wong's? I have tried to take mongolian girls there in the past, and they would not let them in. I know a watress who went from one of my local drinking spots to work at Suzy's. She told me that all of the good looking girls were hired by the bar just to make the guys drink, similar to the hostesses working at Maggie's, except they do not wear name tags. I know there is a lot of good eye candy at Suzy's, but have you ever taken someone from there?
Nameci: I may be out with my mates tonight. Send me a PM with your mobile number, and I'll SMS you. Perhaps we can hook up and hit Chocolate together!
Sammy
The Tanuki
04-14-11, 13:32
Tanuki: Are you sure about Suzy Wong's? I have tried to take mongolian girls there in the past, and they would not let them in. I know a watress who went from one of my local drinking spots to work at Suzy's. She told me that all of the good looking girls were hired by the bar just to make the guys drink, similar to the hostesses working at Maggie's, except they do not wear name tags. I know there is a lot of good eye candy at Suzy's, but have you ever taken someone from there?
SammyYou might have a point there. Stopped in for a couple at the main bar last December and there were a couple of very hot Mongolians in there, just hanging out. They looked like regular WG's and certainly made mine a little jealous. But I didn't have any opportunity to try there. Something for my to-do list if I get a chance. It would be a little unusual, IMO, to pay Mongolians to hang out like that, but weird things do happen. Would be a waste of some mighty fine ladies to keep them from their duties.
We need more solid investigative data. Any takers out there? I have no idea when I can get to BJ to do it myself.
The Tanuki
Cooler Wolf2
04-14-11, 17:49
Hi Mr. Boy Boy Billy,
Anyway, what we have to loose, more contacts mean more choices for us, Consumers. So your definition of more choices is 7 posts all recommending 1 provider?
FAKE.
Nameci: I may be out with my mates tonight. Send me a PM with your mobile number, and I'll SMS you. Perhaps we can hook up and hit Chocolate together!
SammyOh, bad of me to have missed this! I was out by the time you posted the message. Maybe there'll be another opportunity on the weekend or maybe next week.
Jude Bright
04-15-11, 03:29
Hi Mr. Boy Boy Billy,
Don't mean to offense anyone, but what do you mean by "fake"?
AudiA1You will be more than welcomed if you put this in the ad section.
JB
SE Asia Joe
04-15-11, 04:35
So your definition of more choices Is 7 posts all recommending 1 provider?
FAKE. I have been "Reporting" these posts by using the "Report post" button at the left bottom of the post, have posted up about this problem with these Guerilla marketers on both the "Letters to the Editor" as well as "Enter Complaints about other Members " Admin threads. But have as yet elicited any response from Jackson.
Perhaps if more of us would do the same, something could be done to ban or at least curb these lousy guerilla marketers who are literally destroying the Beijing board.
Thanks.
SEAJ
In 15 days, I will stay for 4 days in beijing.
I will choose a 5 stars hotel where it is possible to get an extra (HJ) at their spa / massage.
Please brothers, give me one name, even in pm!
Thanks in advance.
Achnacloich
04-15-11, 10:14
In 15 days, I will stay for 4 days in beijing.
I will choose a 5 stars hotel where it is possible to get an extra (HJ) at their spa / massage.
Please brothers, give me one name, even in pm!
Thanks in advance.There are five absolute stunners who will give you FS for 600+100 taxi who I can personally recommend as a consumer. All 8-10 looks and service, but insist on them by name. In (very marginal) order of preference, Su Ting, Yang Yang, Tina, Li Liu and Carrie. Incredibly nice girls, clean, honest, exceptionally pretty and always leave me wanting more. Try http://beijing.craigslist.com.cn/rnr/2325594040.html (photos there) or ***************. Blog. Com. I have absolutely no connection with them except as a (frequently) satisfied customer. If anyone on the post has a better recommendation, I'm sure they will let you know. Enjoy, bro!
Achnacloich
04-15-11, 10:43
I have been "Reporting" these posts by using the "Report post" button at the left bottom of the post, have posted up about this problem with these Guerilla marketers on both the "Letters to the Editor" as well as "Enter Complaints about other Members " Admin threads. But have as yet elicited any response from Jackson.
Perhaps if more of us would do the same, something could be done to ban or at least curb these lousy guerilla marketers who are literally destroying the Beijing board.
Thanks.
SEAJMaybe he's just happy that the comments are a little psychologically healthier. It is an information service, not a free therapy encounter. Well, that's how I see it anyway.
The Tanuki
04-15-11, 12:41
In 15 days, I will stay for 4 days in beijing.
I will choose a 5 stars hotel where it is possible to get an extra (HJ) at their spa / massage.
Please brothers, give me one name, even in pm!
Thanks in advance. 4 days in Beijing and all you want is a hand job? You know there is much better available. But if that's what you want, who am I to worry? Any of the Shangrila Hotels will be happy to send a girl to your room for massage. The extras are going to be expensive though. You can get an all nighter with a hottie for about what they ask for a little happy ending. If you can't do it in your room, go to the basement of China World Hotel for their spa.
TT
Achnacloich
04-16-11, 02:27
There are five absolute stunners who will give you FS for 600+100 taxi who I can personally recommend as a consumer. All 8-10 looks and service, but insist on them by name. In (very marginal) order of preference, Su Ting, Yang Yang, Tina, Li Liu and Carrie. Incredibly nice girls, clean, honest, exceptionally pretty and always leave me wanting more. Try.
http://beijing.craigslist.com.cn/rnr/2325594040.html
(photos there) or ***************. Blog. Com. I have absolutely no connection with them except as a (frequently) satisfied customer. If anyone on the post has a better recommendation, I'm sure they will let you know. Enjoy, bro!Sorry, I should have pointed out that in the photos (all real) Su Ting is Annie, Yang Yang is Pearl, and Li Liu is Sally. Tina is Tina and Carrie is Carrie. English names eh?
SE Asia Joe
04-16-11, 11:22
Maybe he's just happy that the comments are a little psychologically healthier. It is an information service, not a free therapy encounter. Well, that's how I see it anyway.And I strongly suspect that you are just one such guerilla marketer (of the multitudes of you) with your ad-finitum promotion of your website FUGLIESinBeijing. Blog. Com. Yeah, you may soon reach "senior member" status with your endless promotions but it don't mean that you've actually gotten away with it.
Let me state once more. ALL these escort services are CRAP, preys on those with more Dollars than sense and are too lazy to RTFF the pages here (which would otherwise be full of good and reliable information but for these guerilla escort service marketers).
Anybody with a bit of sense of adventure and are ready to do a bit of reading and RX here. Will find much much better WG's at reaonable rates. These escort services offer nothing but the lowest grade gals available in China. And no matter what you pay for them, are just NOT going be worth anything. These are gals who just cannot make it as WG's EXCEPT via these rip-off services.
SEAJ
Achnacloich
04-16-11, 12:41
And I strongly suspect that you are just one such guerilla marketer (of the multitudes of you) with your ad-finitum promotion of your website FUGLIESinBeijing. Blog. Com. Yeah, you may soon reach "senior member" status with your endless promotions but it don't mean that you've actually gotten away with it.
Let me state once more. ALL these escort services are CRAP, preys on those with more Dollars than sense and are too lazy to RTFF the pages here (which would otherwise be full of good and reliable information but for these guerilla escort service marketers).
Anybody with a bit of sense of adventure and are ready to do a bit of reading and RX here. Will find much much better WG's at reaonable rates. These escort services offer nothing but the lowest grade gals available in China. And no matter what you pay for them, are just NOT going be worth anything. These are gals who just cannot make it as WG's EXCEPT via these rip-off services.
SEAJThanks for all the useful information, mate. On the contrary, anyone who had actually RTFF (instead of just talking about it) over the past few weeks would have noticed that, to point out one example only, Unborn Son said on 04-07-11 00:06 about Annie / Su Ting;.
"Angel was very helpful and she sent over 'Annie' [which I think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. Well she came over around 5pm and man when I opened the door I started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. She was beautiful! The kind of girl I had hoped to meet while in Beijing. The service was great."
Hardly the "FUGLIE" you mentioned, just, in point of fact, the most beautiful and sweetest-natured working girl in Beijing.
Thanks for all the useful information, mate. On the contrary, anyone who had actually RTFF (instead of just talking about it) over the past few weeks would have noticed that, to point out one example only, Unborn Son said on 04-07-11 00:06 about Annie / Su Ting; .
"Angel was very helpful and she sent over 'Annie' [which I think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. Well she came over around 5pm and man when I opened the door I started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. She was beautiful! The kind of girl I had hoped to meet while in Beijing. The service was great."
Hardly the "FUGLIE" you mentioned, just, in point of fact, the most beautiful and sweetest-natured working girl in Beijing. If you would just put honest pics in the classified section with honest pricing, even if the girls aren't stunner quality, you absolutely would gain business from it. By just shilling for a website under a fake name, you lose all credibility in our eyes. I'm coming to BJ in a few weeks, and will be very short on free time to go to bars to enjoy the hunt.
IF I knew of a website that I could trust, a website that put up reasonably honest pictures that were backed up by members on here I trust, I would definitely use the service even if the girls were just OK.
HOWEVER, shills making up fake handles, and complimenting each other on what fantastic services the offer, means I can't trust anything you say and therefore will stay away.
Nobody's falling for your fake endorsements. The classified section gets read. Put up a real ad with reasonable pictures (face blur is OK but if you send over Godzilla with a great body I wouldn't open the door) , I would consider using it IF I knew I could trust you.
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 00:03
If you would just put honest pics in the classified section with honest pricing, even if the girls aren't stunner quality, you absolutely would gain business from it. By just shilling for a website under a fake name, you lose all credibility in our eyes. I'm coming to BJ in a few weeks, and will be very short on free time to go to bars to enjoy the hunt.
IF I knew of a website that I could trust, a website that put up reasonably honest pictures that were backed up by members on here I trust, I would definitely use the service even if the girls were just OK.
HOWEVER, shills making up fake handles, and complimenting each other on what fantastic services the offer, means I can't trust anything you say and therefore will stay away.
Nobody's falling for your fake endorsements. The classified section gets read. Put up a real ad with reasonable pictures (face blur is OK but if you send over Godzilla with a great body I wouldn't open the door) , I would consider using it IF I knew I could trust you. Angels is nothing to do with me. I'm just bored, have too much money and like sex. Lots of other people have recommended those girls as well. They can't all be "shills." Look at the quotation from "Unborn Son" below. I take your point about the photographs, but the genuine ones are available if you ask for them by name (linked below in my last post Carrie, Bobo / Yao Yao, Pearl / YangYang, Annie / Su Ting, Tina, Sally / Li Liu.) If you take "Angel's" recommendation you're going to take the risk that a Chinese "provider" in her early twenties has the same taste in sex as you. Maybe, but as in Chinese people's taste in many things, also maybe not.
And as to the "Senior member I can trust" argument, what about Unborn Son 04-07-11 again."So to start the morning I had an outcall massage setup to be at my room around 10am. [I would like to thank Kajos for assisting me with this lady because it was someone he knows and since I don't speak any Chinese he assisted me with making the appointment]. Now when she arrived she was fairly average looking but not bad, the main problem through the whole visit was that she would not stop chatting! It got pretty annoying when you don't understand a word she is saying. 8-)"
Now I'm not saying anything against these guys, but this is practically the only piece of verifiable evidence about their (somewhat hyperbolic) claims that can be seen on the board, and it might lead an unprejudiced observer to conclude that they are not as reliable as they might wish the rest of us to believe.
SE Asia Joe
04-17-11, 06:28
Thanks for all the useful information, mate. On the contrary, anyone who had actually RTFF (instead of just talking about it) over the past few weeks would have noticed that, to point out one example only, Unborn Son said on 04-07-11 00:06 about Annie / Su Ting; .
"Angel was very helpful and she sent over 'Annie' [which I think some of you fellow mongers have had a taste of]. Well she came over around 5pm and man when I opened the door I started wearing a smile from ear-to-ear the whole time she was there. She was beautiful! The kind of girl I had hoped to meet while in Beijing. The service was great."
Hardly the "FUGLIE" you mentioned, just, in point of fact, the most beautiful and sweetest-natured working girl in Beijing. GOOD. At least you HAVE OUTED YOURSELF as just a lousy guerilla marketer.
And its my aim to drive ALL of you shills out.
Jackson has kindly even provided you all with the Classified Ad section. But instead of being honest businessmen, you guys have instead reverted back to being the deceptive, manipulative sharks that you are. I wouldn't even put it pass you guys to take advantage of these fuglies who really have not much other choice but to resort to selling their bodies through you. Which of course points out to the fact about how pathetic your "girls" truly are.
You pimps take the cake!
SEAJ
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 09:09
GOOD. At least you HAVE OUTED YOURSELF as just a lousy guerilla marketer.
And its my aim to drive ALL of you shills out.
Jackson has kindly even provided you all with the Classified Ad section. But instead of being honest businessmen, you guys have instead reverted back to being the deceptive, manipulative sharks that you are. I wouldn't even put it pass you guys to take advantage of these fuglies who really have not much other choice but to resort to selling their bodies through you. Which of course points out to the fact about how pathetic your "girls" truly are.
You pimps take the cake!
SEAJWell, at least you didn't accuse me of eating their babies at midnight under an upside-down crucifix. Thanks for that, bro.
Try to keep things in perspective. All I'm doing is passing on some honest information about some really wonderful girls I've had, strictly as a customer, (and who other members have described as outstandingly beautiful and lovely) who make living in dusty, windy old Beijing a lot more enjoyable when they take their clothes off and jump into my big, empty bed. No distressing gynaecological details, no personal info, everything cool. No shill-ing in that, I'd say. In fact, I've advised fellow members to avoid taking girls whose photos they haven't seen. And I've told them which ones are real (see posts below.) Good advice I'd say, and definitely not what the pimps would advise. I've also advised them against taking too much notice of what some of the self-styled "experts" with (supposedly) long experience have said. (Prices have risen, things have changed, we're not in the '90s any more.) You've got to expect a bit of flak when you tell it how it really is in China, but it makes the board a lot more useful for the rest of the readers, I'd say. Nothing to stop anyone else, even you, posting information if they have better leads, is there?
Red Rock II
04-17-11, 09:36
Beijing Thread is suck now. Too many of those stupid Angel's Ads. Anyone who has a functioning head can tell those marketing message posted in this thread. Please post those ads in the classified section.
Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering. At least it is no longer a cheap place for mongering comparing to other part of the world. Maggie's girl is now asking for 1000 RMB? That is a lot of money! I guess the living expense has gone up in Beijing, and so are girls. Unless you are a rich person, forget about mongering in Beijing, better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice chinese food.
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 11:10
Beijing Thread is suck now. Too many of those stupid Angel's Ads. Anyone who has a functioning head can tell those marketing message posted in this thread. Please post those ads in the classified section.
Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering. At least it is no longer a cheap place for mongering comparing to other part of the world. Maggie's girl is now asking for 1000 RMB? That is a lot of money! I guess the living expense has gone up in Beijing, and so are girls. Unless you are a rich person, forget about mongering in Beijing, better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice Chinese food. "Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering." With the greatest respect, is it possible to assess a city the size of Beijing as a "place for mongering" if you have not been there "for quite a while?"
". Better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice Chinese food." I see what you mean, but is it not the purpose of this thread to provide information for those of us who want a little more from Beijing than food and touring, especially if we are long-term residents for whom touring and "nice Chinese food" are already familiar? Perhaps a tourism and cooking guide would be more appropriate for that kind of advice, useful though it undoubtedly would be.
And as to the "Senior member I can trust" argument, what about Unborn Son 04-07-11 again."So to start the morning I had an outcall massage setup to be at my room around 10am. [I would like to thank Kajos for assisting me with this lady because it was someone he knows and since I don't speak any Chinese he assisted me with making the appointment]. Now when she arrived she was fairly average looking but not bad, the main problem through the whole visit was that she would not stop chatting! It got pretty annoying when you don't understand a word she is saying. 8-)"
Now I'm not saying anything against these guys, but this is practically the only piece of verifiable evidence about their (somewhat hyperbolic) claims that can be seen on the board, and it might lead an unprejudiced observer to conclude that they are not as reliable as they might wish the rest of us to believe. Hey, way to make friends smart guy. Keep reading into Unborn Son's posting and quoting it ad nauseam. There is nothing wrong with my reliability. I FRed clearly about the older ex-sauna lady, his experience matched that. And he confirmed it during the fun time we had drinking at Maggie's later that evening.
I called the other day and asked for a skinny one and instead they sent over an ex-Sauna girl (I mean was probably a sauna girl back in the 1990s hahaha). So-so massage for about 5 mins then she asked for a cup of warm water. Then it was very nice tit massage, catbath, the most hardcore AR I've ever had, reach-around, lots of ball sucking, and an offer for anal (hers not mine) for RMB 5000. I laughed and she said that's what the koreans pay and I said I'm not korean, she dropped it down to 1000, I kept laughing. At this point she's talking too much so flip to good BBBJ, more AR, more BBBJ. Regular FS usually avail, but not this time of month. Service was excellent but way too talkative. Good shower afterwards and she volunteers to finish up last 10 mins with head and neck massage. Would not RTF but can recommend if you don't mind older lady (mid-upper 30s?) with small frame and bit of a belly.Unborn Son sent me a PM as have many other members about this provider and I helped him hook it up. His description matches my original post. And the other members who tried her have sent a courteous reply saying they enjoyed the experience.
If you're talking about hyperbole, you won't see me making statement like "the most beautiful and sweetest-natured working girl in Beijing.". Reminds me of the frog at the bottom of the well, croaking on and on about Angel's "absolute stunners", meanwhile distrusting and oblivious to the whole range of local P4P experiences outside your well. Everyone's heard your croaking, you can stop now.
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 23:13
Beijing Thread is suck now. Too many of those stupid Angel's Ads. Anyone who has a functioning head can tell those marketing message posted in this thread. Please post those ads in the classified section.
Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering. At least it is no longer a cheap place for mongering comparing to other part of the world. Maggie's girl is now asking for 1000 RMB? That is a lot of money! I guess the living expense has gone up in Beijing, and so are girls. Unless you are a rich person, forget about mongering in Beijing, better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice Chinese food. "Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering." With the greatest respect, is it possible to assess a city the size of Beijing as a "place for mongering" if you have not been there "for quite a while?"
". Better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice Chinese food." I see what you mean, but is it not the purpose of this thread to provide information for those of us who want a little more from Beijing than food and touring, especially if we are long-term residents for whom touring and "nice Chinese food" are already familiar? Perhaps a tourism and cooking guide would be more appropriate for that kind of advice, useful though it undoubtedly would be.
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 23:14
GOOD. At least you HAVE OUTED YOURSELF as just a lousy guerilla marketer.
And its my aim to drive ALL of you shills out.
Jackson has kindly even provided you all with the Classified Ad section. But instead of being honest businessmen, you guys have instead reverted back to being the deceptive, manipulative sharks that you are. I wouldn't even put it pass you guys to take advantage of these fuglies who really have not much other choice but to resort to selling their bodies through you. Which of course points out to the fact about how pathetic your "girls" truly are.
You pimps take the cake!
SEAJWell, at least you didn't accuse me of eating their babies at midnight. Thanks for that, bro.
Try to keep things in perspective. All I'm doing is passing on some honest information about some really wonderful girls I've had, strictly as a customer, (and who other members have described as outstandingly beautiful and lovely) who make living in dusty, windy old Beijing a lot more enjoyable when they take their clothes off and jump into my big, empty bed. No distressing gynaecological details, no personal info, everything cool. No shill-ing in that, I'd say. In fact, I've advised fellow members to avoid taking girls whose photos they haven't seen. And I've told them which ones are real (see posts below.) Good advice I'd say, and definitely not what the pimps would advise. I've also advised them against taking too much notice of what some of the self-styled "experts" with (supposedly) long experience have said. (Prices have risen, things have changed, we're not in the '90s any more.) You've got to expect a bit of flak when you tell it how it really is in China, but it makes the board a lot more useful for the rest of the readers, I'd say. Nothing to stop anyone else, even you, posting information if they have better leads, is there?
GOOD. At least you HAVE OUTED YOURSELF as just a lousy guerilla marketer.
And its my aim to drive ALL of you shills out.
Jackson has kindly even provided you all with the Classified Ad section. But instead of being honest businessmen, you guys have instead reverted back to being the deceptive, manipulative sharks that you are. I wouldn't even put it pass you guys to take advantage of these fuglies who really have not much other choice but to resort to selling their bodies through you. Which of course points out to the fact about how pathetic your "girls" truly are.
You pimps take the cake!
SEAJYou seem to have a personal vendetta with 'Angels'? Saying her girls are fuglies and could not get a job elsewhere is a bit nasty and just not true. Remember some of us cannot afford the 2000 quai types that are around. Angels girls while not being supermodels, provide good value for money, important for those of us who want to partake more than once a month. Give some of us newbies the benefit of your obvious vast experience, or is that information only for the 'old boys club' that seems to exist here How about some names and contact details for these elusive creatures that you know. Or maybe set up a blog where you don't have to suffer the annoying opinions of others? Being the policeman is not helping those with a genuine desire to find better service.
Respect Bro
Achnacloich
04-17-11, 23:34
Hey, way to make friends smart guy. Keep reading into Unborn Son's posting and quoting it ad nauseam. There is nothing wrong with my reliability. I FRed clearly about the older ex-sauna lady, his experience matched that. And he confirmed it during the fun time we had drinking at Maggie's later that evening.
Unborn Son sent me a PM as have many other members about this provider and I helped him hook it up. His description matches my original post. And the other members who tried her have sent a courteous reply saying they enjoyed the experience.
If you're talking about hyperbole, you won't see me making statement like "the most beautiful and sweetest-natured working girl in Beijing.". Reminds me of the frog at the bottom of the well, croaking on and on about Angel's "absolute stunners", meanwhile distrusting and oblivious to the whole range of local P4P experiences outside your well. Everyone's heard your croaking, you can stop now. Phew, that's a relief. While I think it's reasonable for me to reply, having been accused by the (obviously!) nice guys on this board of being everything from a pimp to a frog, I think we'd all be happy to hear from others with useful information to add about other services, wouldn't we?
Mind you, talking of hyperbole, I'd be willing to take the Pepsi Challenge on Annie / Su Ting any day.
Bad Boy Billy
04-18-11, 05:52
In an attempt to clear the air a bit. Read that as trying to change tack and post some meaningful informatiuon rather than the crap that has been posted here cently by the shills and fake reports on incall / outcall services. I was in Beijing for 2 nights recently.
Had a couple of Mongols regulars come visit me during day and headed to Hollywood with FA for a looksee later first night. About 12 girls in Hollywood. One absolutely stunning tall Russian blonde by the name Elena. Also Hollywood has a troupe of ladyboy's from Thailand performing supposed feature act / enttertainment. Didn't do much for me. FA was mildly impressed. You guys know what he is like. Sammy would love it. You guys definitely know what he is like.
Was not looking to take anybody that night so we walked to Chocolate to have a quick look. Was early and litle action. But it is always fun for a look. Had like a 6am start next morn to get to Tianjin so headed home.
Headed to The Den for dinner second night then back to Hollywood again. Seriously interviewed Elena but she was emphatic NO kissing and covered BJ. Not in this lifetime honey. But god she is gorgeous.
Did a loop of Hollywood and settled on a tall Turkish girl. Cannot remember her name. Tall with long mousy brown coloured hair. Agreed to DF, BBBJ etc. RMB1, 000 ST.
She was a stellar performer. Very obliging. Had her in room for about 1. 5hrs all up. Great girl. Loved fucking. She was actually wearing a wig. As I was doggie fucking her I kept pulling her hair. Watching her trying to stay upright. Keep fucking. And trying to hold the wig on at the same time was hilarious. She was a really good girl. Would recommend.
Got a contact for an African girl and met her in The Den. Bit too thick for my liking. Passed on her. She promised to find me a tall slim African friend of hers next visit.
Off to Maggies and was pleasently surprised. 6 to 8 new really good types. Well worth the visit. Took a 23yo Tourism student who had been in town 1 week and was staying total of 3 weeks. Great girl. Great performer. Just a pleasure to be with. Would repeat in a heartbeat. RMB1, 000 all night.
Here is hoping the improvement in Maggies continues. Will be back for a week mid to late May. See you guys then.
SE Asia Joe
04-18-11, 07:30
You seem to have a personal vendetta with 'Angels'? Saying her girls are fuglies and could not get a job elsewhere is a bit nasty and just not true. oNo I have a personal vendetta against all of you lousy shills here who have turned the Beijing board into a parody of its former self. With ad-finitum guerrila marketing by you sharks.
And yes, you've now added yourself on my list since you're so brazen that you would actually openly advertised your own Fugly angels.
Angels contact details
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Red Rock II
04-18-11, 08:05
"Have not been back to Beijing for quite a while, it seems to me that Beijing is no longer a place for mongering." With the greatest respect, is it possible to assess a city the size of Beijing as a "place for mongering" if you have not been there "for quite a while?"
". Better spend your time and money on touring the city and nice Chinese food." I see what you mean, but is it not the purpose of this thread to provide information for those of us who want a little more from Beijing than food and touring, especially if we are long-term residents for whom touring and "nice Chinese food" are already familiar? Perhaps a tourism and cooking guide would be more appropriate for that kind of advice, useful though it undoubtedly would be. Achnacloich,
Anyone who has been on this forum for a while can tell you are marketing for Angel's service, which is nohting wrong with it. Please has your "great experience with Angel's girls" posted in Classify Section. Also, I will recommend that you stop fighting back, if you continue to do so, soon you will have your own thread such as "Achnacloich in Beijing" or something like that set up by Jackson.
I promise, I will not write a single word if you are fighting back with me. It is not worth the bandwidth.
RR
SE Asia Joe
04-18-11, 08:12
Phew, that's a relief. While I think it's reasonable for me to reply, having been accused by the (obviously!) nice guys on this board of being everything from a pimp to a frog, I think we'd all be happy to hear from others with useful information to add about other services, wouldn't we?
Mind you, talking of hyperbole, I'd be willing to take the Pepsi Challenge on Annie / Su Ting any day. OK, I have to hand it to you, you DO have a way with words and you ARE skilful in your manipulations.
But the fact remains that you are nothing but a shill promoting your own stable of over-priced fuglies.
And your repeated references to unborn son's post. Unborn son is NOT a regular on the Beijing boards, had only a 24 hour window of mongering opportunity and do NOT speak any Chinese. Just the perfect type of prospect for you sharks as he doesn't really know what all is actually available, don't have the time to do actual research (and why should he for the amount of time / opportunity he has in Beijing) and certainly don't mind spending the extra bucks as he was intent on having a multitude of sexperiences whilst there (3 in 24 hours). This is what I discern from reading his actual post #7174, found 5 pages back from this page.
Please have some dignity / self respect and stop this guerilla marketing here. ALL OF YOU GUYS!
The classified ad section is there for you to do your marketing; stop destroying our board.
SEAJ
When in Beijing last week, I stayed in the Kempinski.
When I was having a drink at the hotel bar in the later evening, I realized a rather mature woman (in her 30ies) , walking back and fro the bar area, obviously looking for business. She really was pretty, tall, with shortish hair. Our eyes crossed, and when I walked to the elevator, she approached me and ask if I want to take her upstairs. I declined, but she gave me her number, anyway. When in the room I changed my mind, called her, and within minutes, she came upstairs.
Her name was Lily, and she was from Xi'An, at least, that's what she said. She also said that she will return to Xian, as her holidays will be over, soon. Well. I didn't really buy her story. She asked for CNY 1. 200 for the whole night, we settled at 1. 000, and then, really had some very steamy and full-GFE-like sex. She was very playful and nice to talk to, and she knew what she wanted (in regard of sex). I had a great time, and again, she really was very pretty.
I think she still must be around. PM me if you want her number.
Levitian
Achnacloich
04-18-11, 09:51
In an attempt to clear the air a bit. Read that as trying to change tack and post some meaningful informatiuon rather than the crap that has been posted here cently by the shills and fake reports on incall / outcall services. I was in Beijing for 2 nights recently.
Had a couple of Mongols regulars come visit me during day and headed to Hollywood with FA for a looksee later first night. About 12 girls in Hollywood. One absolutely stunning tall Russian blonde by the name Elena. Also Hollywood has a troupe of ladyboy's from Thailand performing supposed feature act / enttertainment. Didn't do much for me. FA was mildly impressed. You guys know what he is like. Sammy would love it. You guys definitely know what he is like.
Was not looking to take anybody that night so we walked to Chocolate to have a quick look. Was early and litle action. But it is always fun for a look. Had like a 6am start next morn to get to Tianjin so headed home.
Headed to The Den for dinner second night then back to Hollywood again. Seriously interviewed Elena but she was emphatic NO kissing and covered BJ. Not in this lifetime honey. But god she is gorgeous.
Did a loop of Hollywood and settled on a tall Turkish girl. Cannot remember her name. Tall with long mousy brown coloured hair. Agreed to DF, BBBJ etc. RMB1, 000 ST.
She was a stellar performer. Very obliging. Had her in room for about 1. 5hrs all up. Great girl. Loved fucking. She was actually wearing a wig. As I was doggie fucking her I kept pulling her hair. Watching her trying to stay upright. Keep fucking. And trying to hold the wig on at the same time was hilarious. She was a really good girl. Would recommend.
Got a contact for an African girl and met her in The Den. Bit too thick for my liking. Passed on her. She promised to find me a tall slim African friend of hers next visit.
Off to Maggies and was pleasently surprised. 6 to 8 new really good types. Well worth the visit. Took a 23yo Tourism student who had been in town 1 week and was staying total of 3 weeks. Great girl. Great performer. Just a pleasure to be with. Would repeat in a heartbeat. RMB1, 000 all night.
Here is hoping the improvement in Maggies continues. Will be back for a week mid to late May. See you guys then.Well done! Some really helpful information to break the dismal cycle. It's good to know there are some guys on this board with a positive attitude who are willing to share their experiences in a way that can actually be followed up. High five to you-let's hope the spirit spreads.
No I have a personal vendetta against all of you lousy shills here who have turned the Beijing board into a parody of its former self. With ad-finitum guerrila marketing by you sharks.
And yes, you've now added yourself on my list since you're so brazen that you would actually openly advertised your own Fugly angels.There is nothing wrong with giving contact details for a service I like. I wish more people would do that, then we could all find an alternative easily. Please contribute some?
LaowaiForChina
04-18-11, 14:44
As too much late evening HQ calls, my boss allows me some siesta time during the day, so decided to explore massage+ options in the CBD. Would like to ask fellow mongers for more advice and recommendations for incall fun around the Kerry Centre.
Here's what I've visited in recent days:
- 99 Massage@e-Tower. Seems normal massage without extras. Quite good actually, only bummer is that one time massage rate is very high, and only with "memberships" rates go down. Would recommend if you'd want a regular massage without the extras.
- Paradise Massage, next to The Place. Nice environment, but expensive. Girls do HE, and you can play with them. Clothes don't go off fully, though. No FS. Overpriced.
- Romantic Rabbit Retreat, Van Palace East Block. 1511. My favorite so far. Small joint, with few girls only. 1K for FS and good massage. Real GFE and good fun. Age end 20s. Suggest to call ahead. No name sign on door.
- Van Palace, West. 3102. Bit noisy place, but had a nice busty girl. She claimed that for FS, they'd call girls from outside, they mainly do HJ, titty massage. Had her undress and did some DATY, etc. She was really into that, but stopped me before cumming. If I'd had a condom, I guess she'd fucked me. Damage RMB 500.
Only a few places so far. Any advice on good places with extras in the CBD area around Kerry Centre? Cheers!
Thomastommaso
04-18-11, 15:47
I will be in Beijing for 1 night this week.
Any 5 star hotel recommendation that is girlf friendly and if possible with onsite action?
Thanks much
There is nothing wrong with giving contact details for a service I like. I wish more people would do that, then we could all find an alternative easily. Please contribute some?So you're a guy who now lives in BJ, and signed up for ISG, and your first post was about how great Angel's service is and your second post was your trying to give a contact phone number that was deleted?
As long as you continue to throw up fake reviews under fake handles, and then answering yourself using a different fake handle with the congratulations and thank you's. We are going to call "BULL SH*T" on you.
You are not going to gain an ounce of credibility as long as this continues. Every time you shill on this board, the reputation of the service you shill is going to go DOWN. This will stay in the history on here and every time an ACTUAL newbie reads the thread history, they are going to see the FAKE reports on these services being CALLED OUT. The sooner you quit it, the deeper down the thread these conversations will go, and maybe eventually you can just put an ad in the Classifieds section where it belongs and perhaps you can gain some legitimate business.
Until then. You are just postponing your own legitimacy.
To any newbies who actually had a reasonably good experience with these services. Apologies to you that your truthful reporting has to be negated by the Con-Artists trying to take over this board.
Got a sudden burst of boredom to spur me on yesterday and I decided to check out Yanjiao as mentioned by some of the other guys on the thread. The 30 odd minute bus journey from Guomao was definitely a worthwhile adventure.
Definitely a interesting experience and the details given by Gaoshou was 100% accurate. Except they've raised the prices by about 8RMB from his post in Dec 2010. Service standard at Roman Holiday was quite impressive although I didn't have a fantastic pick of girls since I was there on a Monday afternoon. The girl that serviced me said that the best time is in the evening where they do end up having a large crowd of guys at the massage place waiting for their turn. The price range is from 258RMB for straight shagging to 600RMB for 1. 5 hours. 12 step service, BBBJ and sex (all one shot) or 800RMB for 3 hours of how many you can fit in.
There's also an overnight option there for 800RMB that starts from midnight to 7am if you get to Yanjiao late and want to relax / don't want to pay a pricey cab ride back to Beijing.
Anyway for details regarding the specific ways to get there or the map, just search for Gaoshou's post with keywords 'Yanjiao', 'Sauna' and 'Beijing' if you need it.
LaowaiForChina
04-19-11, 15:02
As a newcomer, very much appreciate the senior members' reports on agencies and craigslist. I can only confirm that the agencies flooding craigslist at the moment are a hit and miss. Mostly miss. Tried different adverts in recent months, most of them did not deliver what was promised. So, unless you like expensive adventures, be careful with using craigslist.
Also some good experiences, though. Under "Casual Encounters", occassionaly real women advertize. Some of them are semi-pro, and I met a few of them. One girl was outstanding: nice firm and big titties, and a shaven pussy. You don't see that that often. Made DATY very hot, for her and for me. GFE, DFK. Unfortunately didn't want to stay overnite. RMB 500 for multiple pops. Later learnt she went out of the business. (:
Anyone else have some experience with Casual Encounters?
Cheers,
L4C
AngelsInBeijing
04-20-11, 07:12
Gentlemen,
Achnacloich is one of our client who teaches English in Beijing. He has been using our services for about 10 times or so. Of course among these girls there are a few who failed to meet his criteria. He told me that his is not particularly interested in YuanYuan, Qiqi and Bobo and asked me to help them improving their services. Becasue good services would sustain the business for a long time. Obviously, there are other girls who gave him satisfactory services, which made him recommending us on the website. I didn't expect so many critics and angers as people thinks that I'm only using him as a marketing tool. That is not true, I didn't know and never encouraged him to do so, and I think those critics are not necessary and even mean. I admit that there are some fake pictures on the blog, though some of them are genuine. But to be frankly, that's all the bloggers do now at present, since only few girls would like to post their real photos on the internet due to the privacy reasons. If you insists pictures in advance I can send it via email. I'm willing to improve my service and hope your understand our situation. As a 23 year old gal I'm not that complicated and sophisticated as you would imagine. I just hope you guys can stop arguing on this platform. We are here for fun, not for anger, not for meaningless discussion, which would in the end upset everybody. The call is in your hand. You guys travel all the way to Beijing from various part of the world, it is already an amazing thing to meet you. So my best wishes to everybody, particularly to our frequent customers.
With Best Regards,
Angel
SE Asia Joe
04-20-11, 08:24
And what's more, I have no fake handles and only use one name. You are way off track here pal, ever been wrong? Get some evidence before you come at that rubbish. I am new here, and I did post about Angels, and I believed that contact details might be valuable to someone, get over your paranoia about shills. You don't know what you are talking about.You and the rest of you shills really got some nerve.
Not only have you gone ahead and destroyed the Beijing board. Now you're even trying to dominate and exclude everybody else from it.
If it quacks like a duck. Then its' a duck. Only in this case its you P. O. S. Shills!
You guys really take the cake.
SEAJ
Baaadrabbit
04-20-11, 17:16
Can someone describe in detail how to find Hollywood? I walked around the area on this Yabao Lu tonight but couldn't find any sign of it. I even had the address, for what little that is worth. If I eventually find it, I will be sure to write a FR to share.
Thanks in advance.
SE Asia Joe
04-20-11, 18:15
Gentlemen,
Achnacloich is one of our client who teaches English in Beijing. He has been using our services for about 10 times or so. Of course among these girls there are a few who failed to meet his criteria. He told me that his is not particularly interested in YuanYuan, Qiqi and Bobo and asked me to help them improving their services. Becasue good services would sustain the business for a long time. Obviously, there are other girls who gave him satisfactory services, which made him recommending us on the website. I didn't expect so many critics and angers as people thinks that I'm only using him as a marketing tool. That is not true, I didn't know and never encouraged him to do so, and I think those critics are not necessary and even mean. I admit that there are some fake pictures on the blog, though some of them are genuine. But to be frankly, that's all the bloggers do now at present, since only few girls would like to post their real photos on the internet due to the privacy reasons. If you insists pictures in advance I can send it via email. I'm willing to improve my service and hope your understand our situation. As a 23 year old gal I'm not that complicated and sophisticated as you would imagine. I just hope you guys can stop arguing on this platform. We are here for fun, not for anger, not for meaningless discussion, which would in the end upset everybody. The call is in your hand. You guys travel all the way to Beijing from various part of the world, it is already an amazing thing to meet you. So my best wishes to everybody, particularly to our frequent customers.
With Best Regards,
AngelOh right! And we're all supposed to believe all that you say. Just because you say it?
And your "patron" Achnacloich: Oh yeah, an English teacher, making what RMB 8K. 10K even 15 K per month? And getting your gals 10 times? So, how does he live and eat after paying you your "fees."
Or is it that you've made a deal with him? Your very own "perfect English" guerilla marketer!
And this is even going only by your supposed "facts!"
OK. If you're such a simple and un complicated li'l gal (yeah, right! When was the last time ANY mommie is simple and uncomplicated?)). Then please stop all this guerilla marketing on our boards. Both by yourselves as well as your cronies. Have a bit of dignity and do your marketing on the classified ad section provided.
OK?
SEAJ
And what's more, I have no fake handles and only use one name. You are way off track here pal, ever been wrong? Get some evidence before you come at that rubbish. I am new here, and I did post about Angels, and I believed that contact details might be valuable to someone, get over your paranoia about shills. You don't know what you are talking about.Dynamic,
If you were a newbie that actually cared about the integrity of this board, you would read back 6 months and see the blatant abuse Angel and her minions have been responsible for, and you would understand why we are angry.
If you got good service from her that you are happy about. Good for you. However, they have ruined their credibility on this board by repeatedly posting obviously fake reports using fake handles. The only difference between you and their crooked attempts is that your English is more realistic.
But since:
1. You immediately signed up to report on this specific thing.
2. You aggressively defend the service of a company that you. Supposedly. Have no stake in.
We have no choice but to label you for exactly what you appear to be. A SHILL with better English skills.
Again. IF you are a newbie. You're fighting on the wrong side. That should have been obvious as soon as this nonsense started, and instead of defending a position you don't really understand, you should have said,"Sorry I didn't know" and just bowed out.
One more thing. By continuing this argument, you have added another week to this thread that says DON'T TRUST NEWBIE REPORTS ON ANGELS BECAUSE THEY USE SHILLS.
So you're either a SHILL or you're an naive newbie.
If it's the former. F OFF.
If it's the latter. RTFF and see what you're defending and get with the program. We're supposed to be on the same team.
Bad Boy Billy
04-20-11, 23:17
Can someone describe in detail how to find Hollywood? I walked around the area on this Yabao Lu tonight but couldn't find any sign of it. I even had the address, for what little that is worth. If I eventually find it, I will be sure to write a FR to share.Mate here is the card for Absent which indeed is now Hollywood
Finally, I will stay at the gorgeous " The opposite house" hotel which is right in the centrum of Sanlitun.
Where can I pick up WG there?
Bars, clubs, massage?
I don't want to use an escort agency or take a cab to go in places like maggie or chocolate.
I would like to find a girl near my hotel.
Possible?
Thanks in advance.
Loveasiangirls
04-21-11, 04:04
Oh right! And we're all supposed to believe all that you say. Just because you say it?
And your "patron" Achnacloich: Oh yeah, an English teacher, making what RMB 8K. 10K even 15 K per month? And getting your gals 10 times? So, how does he live and eat after paying you your "fees."
Or is it that you've made a deal with him? Your very own "perfect English" guerilla marketer!
And this is even going only by your supposed "facts!"
OK. If you're such a simple and un complicated li'l gal (yeah, right! When was the last time ANY mommie is simple and uncomplicated?). Then please stop all this guerilla marketing on our boards. Both by yourselves as well as your cronies. Have a bit of dignity and do your marketing on the classified ad section provided.
OK?
SEAJYou are very generous. I don't know any english teacher who make so much money. Most cannot even afford lunch for the girls they date.
Hi guys,
I will be back in town in mid May and, as a new choice, have been offered to stay in the Lijingwan Hotel across 4th Ring Road in CBD east.
Anyboy else ever stayed there? Girl-friendly? Surroundings? Anything else?
@Angel: instead of offering " (real) pictures upfront" you simply should put up a honest website with honest pictures of the available girls. This would definitely help your business (as you will most probabyl be the first who does so in BJ) and help us as well.
What Just Happen
04-21-11, 12:32
Wow. Yeah, I haven't tried Angels precisely because of the shameless promotion here. I have absolutely positively no intention of supporting that kind of business.
You'll all be delighted to know, I'm sure, that on Liufang Street (Liufang like the name of the subway stop, street like the Chinese word for street) , which isn't very large, I was flagged down from the door of a "medical massage" shop by a cute little mini-skirted medical masseuse. There were about 6 in there, one very doable if you like 'them tiny. It was 11 in the morning and I was in the middle of the worst hangover yet this century, so I didn't partake, but it looked like the kind of place where happy endings occur, if not more.
If you're in the Zuojiazhuang / Liufang / Sanyuan Qiao / Xinyuanli neighborhoods, it might be worth a detour to check it out.
I'm excited to try out offerings in Yanjiao! Would definitely appreciate more sauna knowledge in / around Beijing.
Finally, I will stay at the gorgeous " The opposite house" hotel which is right in the centrum of Sanlitun.
Where can I pick up WG there?
Bars, clubs, massage?
I don't want to use an escort agency or take a cab to go in places like maggie or chocolate.
I would like to find a girl near my hotel.
Possible?
Thanks in advance. Sanlitun is one of the main drinking / entertainment areas in Beijing. You might find some working girls walking around, but you will primarily find just normal people enjoying themselves. There is a bar across the street from "The Village" called "Swing Bar". Swing is also owned by the same owner as Maggie's. They sometimes have working girls there, but not often.
I don't understand why you are not willing to take a taxi. They are plentiful, safe, and cheap.
Good Luck.
Sammy
SE Asia Joe
04-22-11, 12:10
Dynamic,
If you were a newbie that actually cared about the integrity of this board, you would read back 6 months and see the blatant abuse Angel and her minions have been responsible for, and you would understand why we are angry.
And just to repeat again for the sake of those not quite familiar with the Beijng board and wondering what this is all about. Please allow me to recap what most of us know about all these Beijing escort sites in English.
Since those web sites caters to those mongers who do NOT speak Chinese, are NOT that adventurous / don't have that much time to venture on their own, and cannot be bothered to do their own research. They can usually only provide the LEAST DESIREABLE gals available at any locality in China.
Yes, these type websites pretty well caters to the above demographics in most parts of the world. But since English / foreign language limitations is so acute and because most part of China are quite "wild West"- such services in China are truly the PITS!
And I mean girls that IMHO one wouldn't even do under normal circumstances. Never mind having to pay for "the privilege!"
My advise / opinion for any body coming over to China to monger. STAY AWAY from these English Web Sites. Anything, anything at all besides these sites is going to yield you much much better results and satisfacion.
SEAJ
Actually I remember there is place / street Fu Qian Er Jie (parallel to Tianbei Road) were last year was lots of action. Was once in the Gold Route International Business hotel in this street. Got FS, but lousy service (no line up, girl sent only so so, no BJ or BBBJ) just FS and still asked 900.
After big crack down last year a most places in this street closed. Now coming back again, even though not as busy as before.
Wow. Yeah, I haven't tried Angels precisely because of the shameless promotion here. I have absolutely positively no intention of supporting that kind of business.Hell yes, I was going to say the same thing. Thekind of back-and-forth exchange that's been endlessly going on and on about Angels does not make anyone want to deal with any of it. Yeah, you had fun with some of their girls. Whippe! Need to tell us 20 times about it? God almighty, please move on. I know you exist already!
That being said, anyone even got anything worth mentioning at the massage parlor next to Nashville on Lucky Street? I was at the bar last night with some friends who are not into that kindof thing, but it made me wonder.
Enjoy your weekend guys!
Vera Petrova
04-24-11, 08:24
Thank you for this informative post! I'm glad to see many posts that are not on Maggies in this thread now. Gosh! It took several years! Ah! Ah!
2 comments:
It's very informative to try several providers, but I would advise to keep with only one or two. Once the mama has identified you as a repeat customer, she will introduce better girls, tell you when she has received a new talent, etc.
Could you also comment on quality of girls at different prices? I always fear to get the same type of girls for different prices (to be honest, if I were a pimp, that's what I would do! Ah! Ah!). Is the quality difference clearly noticeable? In which way?
CheersEl Frances,
Thanks for your advice. I think it's necessary to keep with only one or two providers as well. Personally, I prefer Maria's girls. I asked for two girls from Maria, one 600 girl and one 800 model. Both of them were very nice.
Yes, quality difference between the 600 girl and the 800 girl I had is clearly noticeable, especially in their looks and height.
VP.
El Frances. You seem to be the biggest proponent of Incall / Outcall services in Beijing. Are you up for a challenge?
I will be in Beijing 2 or 3 times over next 2 or 3 months. Lets see if our paths can cross.
Let's put a couple Maggies girls up against any incall girls you can arrange and we will do an accurate comparison.
I will arrange and pay for a Maggies girl of your choice. Of course I will take one myself. And you can post your findings the next morning.
You arrange for a couple of incall girls from any providor you want. And I will still pay. Then we can both post our findings.
Are you interested my friend. All in the name of Qualitative Research of course and solely with the intention of providing valuable feedback to our brothers on this site. BBB,
It seems that these bar girls are gorgeous.
I'm going to come over to Beijing again next month and will get bar girls from Maggies, Chocolate, etc. Also, I will write a report here. Hope I can get some fantastic girls from these famous bars.
VP.
Got a sudden burst of boredom to spur me on yesterday and I decided to check out Yanjiao as mentioned by some of the other guys on the thread. The 30 odd minute bus journey from Guomao was definitely a worthwhile adventure.
Definitely a interesting experience and the details given by Gaoshou was 100% accurate. Except they've raised the prices by about 8RMB from his post in Dec 2010. Service standard at Roman Holiday was quite impressive although I didn't have a fantastic pick of girls since I was there on a Monday afternoon. The girl that serviced me said that the best time is in the evening where they do end up having a large crowd of guys at the massage place waiting for their turn. The price range is from 258RMB for straight shagging to 600RMB for 1. 5 hours. 12 step service, BBBJ and sex (all one shot) or 800RMB for 3 hours of how many you can fit in.
There's also an overnight option there for 800RMB that starts from midnight to 7am if you get to Yanjiao late and want to relax / don't want to pay a pricey cab ride back to Beijing.
Anyway for details regarding the specific ways to get there or the map, just search for Gaoshou's post with keywords 'Yanjiao', 'Sauna' and 'Beijing' if you need it. Nameci,
Thanks for your contribution. Actually I like your reports, very detailed and informative. I will definitely visit Yanjiao to da2pao4, aha! Also, give thanks to Gaoshou guy.
VP
I have been traveling to Beijing 4 times a year in the past few years. I stay for about 2-3 weeks on every trip. Since my company pays for all the expense and I need to stay under the radar of my family so I need to be very careful about the economics of my hobby. My allowance according to company policy is just about $200USD a day. As a result, I have been living in some sh*tty 300RMB motels and buying up FaPiao for expense reporting.
At the beginning of my hobby I did tried some in-call / out-call service like LiLy and Angel for about $60-$100USD / pop. I grew tired of those 40 min service without much GFE in a small windowless motel room. I would save up for a Mongolian at $150-$200USD / pop, but usually only twice per trip. I am not complaining about have to travel across town and spend more money, the service is worth it. I have been to Shanghai and Macau a few times so the saunas in Beijing ($80-$120USD / pop) are nowhere near the service offered in those cities. I only did one BBS ($20-$40USD / Pop) but the hygiene and pressure of a claustrophobic massage table stop me from cumming. The only thing that worked out for me was after a KTV party ($400-$500USD) , I was able to call out one of the girls and had a week of clean, cheap fun.
While we try to drive out the shills from our forum, those 600RMB service truly hit a "sweet spot" for many of us middle class, middle aged, middle budget travelers. I feel the forum is suggesting there is only the high roller's way (KTV, Bar) or the peasant construction worker's way (BBS). Anything in the middle requires time to build up a Rolodex, disappointed in the saunas or be scammed by the Angels. In a way our hobby reflects the growing gap between rich and poor in the Chinese society. What happened to the "Holiday Inns" where neither "Hilton" nor "Motel 6" can suffice? I ask the forum to find more such establishments and organize on a group outings and drive down the cost / pop (Groupon?).
SE Asia Joe
04-24-11, 18:00
I have been traveling to Beijing 4 times a year in the past few years. I stay for about 2-3 weeks on every trip. Since my company pays for all the expense and I need to stay under the radar of my family so I need to be very careful about the economics of my hobby. My allowance according to company policy is just about $200USD a day. As a result, I have been living in some sh*tty 300RMB motels and buying up FaPiao for expense reporting.
At the beginning of my hobby I did tried some in-call / out-call service like LiLy and Angel for about $60-$100USD / pop. I grew tired of those 40 min service without much GFE in a small windowless motel room. I would save up for a Mongolian at $150-$200USD / pop, but usually only twice per trip. I am not complaining about have to travel across town and spend more money, the service is worth it. I have been to Shanghai and Macau a few times so the saunas in Beijing ($80-$120USD / pop) are nowhere near the service offered in those cities. I only did one BBS ($20-$40USD / Pop) but the hygiene and pressure of a claustrophobic massage table stop me from cumming. The only thing that worked out for me was after a KTV party ($400-$500USD) , I was able to call out one of the girls and had a week of clean, cheap fun.
While we try to drive out the shills from our forum, those 600RMB service truly hit a "sweet spot" for many of us middle class, middle aged, middle budget travelers. I feel the forum is suggesting there is only the high roller's way (KTV, Bar) or the peasant construction worker's way (BBS). Anything in the middle requires time to build up a Rolodex, disappointed in the saunas or be scammed by the Angels. In a way our hobby reflects the growing gap between rich and poor in the Chinese society. What happened to the "Holiday Inns" where neither "Hilton" nor "Motel 6" can suffice? I ask the forum to find more such establishments and organize on a group outings and drive down the cost / pop (Groupon?). I feel for you bro. But the fact of the matter is that these "Agency" girls being shamelessly marketed by these guerrilla marketers are most likely the same gals working the BBS's; and even worse, actual cast-offs from these BBS's as they've grown too old to be marketable, even at a BBS.
Next time why don't you go to these BBS's and bargain for a "take-out" to your own hotel room. Read up Andreas Wang's many postings on this thread to find what you need (a good one is post #5139, presently located on page 143. Sorry I don't know how to use this new engine Jackson is now using, to link you directly. Somebody else can assist?).
Since you visit Beijing regularly and stay for such long periods of time, it should not be a problem for you to do this research to get what you need. Also, please report back what you find and experienced
And as for these shills. I strongly suspect that Vera Petrova is another one such guerrilla marketer. Again talking with his own other handles here. These guys are really the shits.
SEAJ
Next time why don't you go to these BBS's and bargain for a "take-out" to your own hotel room. Read up Andreas Wang's many postings on this thread to find what you need (a good one is post #5139, presently located on page 143. Sorry I don't know how to use this new engine Jackson is now using, to link you directly. Somebody else can assist?).Here it is, but please be cautioned that this post is dated 2009, IMHO kinda dated. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=962872&viewfull=1#post962872
Will be in BJ tomorrow night, let's see if we can paint the town red. .
I feel for you bro. But the fact of the matter is that these "Agency" girls being shamelessly marketed by these guerrilla marketers are most likely the same gals working the BBS's; and even worse, actual cast-offs from these BBS's as they've grown too old to be marketable, even at a BBS.
Next time why don't you go to these BBS's and bargain for a "take-out" to your own hotel room. Read up Andreas Wang's many postings on this thread to find what you need (a good one is post #5139, presently located on page 143. Sorry I don't know how to use this new engine Jackson is now using, to link you directly. Somebody else can assist?).
Since you visit Beijing regularly and stay for such long periods of time, it should not be a problem for you to do this research to get what you need. Also, please report back what you find and experienced.
And as for these shills. I strongly suspect that Vera Petrova is another one such guerrilla marketer. Again talking with his own other handles here. These guys are really the shits.
SEAJI guess the xenophobic situation can be quite understandable. Which leaves only the situation where dear old Joe here should come out and meet some of us to establish which are the shills and which aren't. I'm not particularly unhappy but it does sort of discourage newer people from taking part and hopefully providing new information.
Hopefully there's some other method to prove some of us are real life individuals with actual reports to be believed.
Anyway the link you were talking about is here. Although for a 2009 post, it'll be iffy on how much the post is worth for mongering still. http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=962872&viewfull=1#post962872
I guess the xenophobic situation can be quite understandable. Which leaves only the situation where dear old Joe here should come out and meet some of us to establish which are the shills and which aren't. I'm not particularly unhappy but it does sort of discourage newer people from taking part and hopefully providing new information.
Hopefully there's some other method to prove some of us are real life individuals with actual reports to be believed.
Anyway the link you were talking about is here. Although for a 2009 post, it'll be iffy on how much the post is worth for mongering still.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=962872&viewfull=1#post962872Finally some sense; What a great suggestion, come on Joe, arrange a meeting and a few beers, you could show us newbies first hand how it's done?
I tried stretching my wings a bit as you suggested, found some girls online, looked great in the pics, so I rang three, all wanted 1200Rmbs for one pop and I suspect it was the same girl answering (same background noise etc) anyway this is way out of my budget. So tried the BBBS girls, things were bad enough, but when she hesitated during (covered) BJ to rip off a fart that would strip paint off your car I decided I was not moving in the right direction. Maybe there has been some marketing for Angel on here, but Nameci's idea is a good one, you might actually think we are good guys once we meet, and you can see if we are genuinely interested in finding the "right stuff".
To say that Angels girls are ex BBBS or worse is a bit below the belt, I have never had one that looked over 25, I for one feel sympathy for her after the way some of you have attacked her personally. We all know what these girls are, lets not kid ourselves into thinking they are interested in us, GFE get real, they, as with most Chinese girls spell love YUAN.
Looking forward to our "newbies" night. Maggies sounds interesting, lets do it?
SE Asia Joe
04-25-11, 11:34
I guess the xenophobic situation can be quite understandable. Which leaves only the situation where dear old Joe here should come out and meet some of us to establish which are the shills and which aren't. I'm not particularly unhappy but it does sort of discourage newer people from taking part and hopefully providing new information.
Hopefully there's some other method to prove some of us are real life individuals with actual reports to be believed.
Anyway the link you were talking about is here. Although for a 2009 post, it'll be iffy on how much the post is worth for mongering still.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?939-North-China-Beijing&p=962872&viewfull=1#post962872Nameci. I've actually read all your 16 posts and am rather convinced that you are NOT one of the shils which have basically destroyed this board. The Beijing board had in the past been one of the most active, informative and accurate threads about China and all it took was these ass hole shills to put paid to all the contributions by the trusted seniors. And I probably need to apologize to you. But I hope you will understand the degree of loathing that I have for these shills.
I for one would be interested in reading more of your experiences / outlook on the Beijing scene for indeed, things have changed drastically during the past few months / year since the olympics etc.
But I got to tell you . ANY reports on ANY escort gals is definitely going to be looked upon with all sorts of suspicion. For like I said, these girls wouldn't be able to attract ANY clients except those who's got more dollars than sense etc.
Thank you.
SEAJ
My wife wants to pay a girl for a threesome, but only wants a young Caucasian girl. Anyone know were they hang out at?
Finally some sense; What a great suggestion, come on Joe, arrange a meeting and a few beers, you could show us newbies first hand how it's done?
I tried stretching my wings a bit as you suggested, found some girls online, looked great in the pics, so I rang three, all wanted 1200Rmbs for one pop and I suspect it was the same girl answering (same background noise etc) anyway this is way out of my budget. So tried the BBBS girls, things were bad enough, but when she hesitated during (covered) BJ to rip off a fart that would strip paint off your car I decided I was not moving in the right direction. Maybe there has been some marketing for Angel on here, but Nameci's idea is a good one, you might actually think we are good guys once we meet, and you can see if we are genuinely interested in finding the "right stuff".
To say that Angels girls are ex BBBS or worse is a bit below the belt, I have never had one that looked over 25, I for one feel sympathy for her after the way some of you have attacked her personally. We all know what these girls are, lets not kid ourselves into thinking they are interested in us, GFE get real, they, as with most Chinese girls spell love YUAN.
Looking forward to our "newbies" night. Maggies sounds interesting, lets do it? Not too keen on Maggies actually, been there once and didn't really see much that was my type. Plus they do charge more than what I'd prefer to pay (notwithstanding that they might perform better, etc) I suppose it's probably because I'm Asian Asian (although with a decent Western mindset, haha!) although I still will go if it's an opportunity to meet up and see how the other mongers on this thread play the game in Beijing.
Do let me know on these BBS since I haven't been able to find one in my area and most of the posts on the BBS available are quite ancient, especially with the last clean-up from the People's Congress.
Nameci. I've actually read all your 16 posts and am rather convinced that you are NOT one of the shils which have basically destroyed this board. The Beijing board had in the past been one of the most active, informative and accurate threads about China and all it took was these ass hole shills to put paid to all the contributions by the trusted seniors. And I probably need to apologize to you. But I hope you will understand the degree of loathing that I have for these shills.
I for one would be interested in reading more of your experiences / outlook on the Beijing scene for indeed, things have changed drastically during the past few months / year since the olympics etc.
But I got to tell you. ANY reports on ANY escort gals is definitely going to be looked upon with all sorts of suspicion. For like I said, these girls wouldn't be able to attract ANY clients except those who's got more dollars than sense etc.
Thank you.
SEAJI've read all 400+ pages of this thread and I can see where the slide downhill began so I definitely know what you mean. No need for apology, I was just trying to put across the point for some of the real people left who might feel a little shut out at times. Although I suppose I'm one of the few that still do RTFF and then do a little bit of exploring to figure out the scene here. I suppose too many transit tourists tend to just limit some comments on this thread to 'I took an outcall because I couldn't speak the language and didn't have too much time to decide where and how to get laid'
I'm still pretty new to Beijing so I'm slowly trying to explore as much of the scene in and around. The main benefit being that I look local enough to fit in and try the less Western explored options like KTVs and random massage parlors while still trying out getting to know chicks in a club / bar in the usually hope-for-freebie fashion.
I have to agree on the escort side though, I only venture an outcall once in a while when I feel like I need a screw and am bored of trying at the various other places, but the results I've been getting have been drastically going from bad to worse. I'd have imagined that I'd be getting better quality girls for being a 'return customer' but it hasn't been the case and when you see better looking girls at KTVs, clubs / bars or even on the street, you can frankly get very annoyed.
Sebastian My
04-26-11, 06:04
Can someone describe in detail how to find Hollywood? I walked around the area on this Yabao Lu tonight but couldn't find any sign of it. I even had the address, for what little that is worth. If I eventually find it, I will be sure to write a FR to share.
Thanks in advance. Ask a taxi driver to take you to Yabao Dasha. Across the road you will see the Huasheng Building (as well as a bank of China building). The building is about 14m off the street and there is a drive way you will walk down. Next to the entrance of the building (right side) you will find an entrance covered by those drop down plastic strips. Go through into a dark corridor, about 5m down you will see some escalators on your left. Go down, turn left again and presto.
If you are walking from the corner of Yabao Lu and Ritian Lu, walk down Yabao Lu on the left side. You will pass Tianya Dasha on your left and will come to the first street on your left, I think its called Chaowaitou. Turn left and cross over to the right side of the street / lane. You will pas the bank of China on your right and will finally come to the building next door, the Huasheng Building.
I may check it out this evening, as I have not ventured out to this establishment for many months.
Not too keen on Maggies actually, been there once and didn't really see much that was my type. Plus they do charge more than what I'd prefer to pay (notwithstanding that they might perform better, etc) I suppose it's probably because I'm Asian Asian (although with a decent Western mindset, haha!) although I still will go if it's an opportunity to meet up and see how the other mongers on this thread play the game in Beijing.
Do let me know on these BBS since I haven't been able to find one in my area and most of the posts on the BBS available are quite ancient, especially with the last clean-up from the People's Congress.
I've read all 400+ pages of this thread and I can see where the slide downhill began so I definitely know what you mean. No need for apology, I was just trying to put across the point for some of the real people left who might feel a little shut out at times. Although I suppose I'm one of the few that still do RTFF and then do a little bit of exploring to figure out the scene here. I suppose too many transit tourists tend to just limit some comments on this thread to 'I took an outcall because I couldn't speak the language and didn't have too much time to decide where and how to get laid'
I'm still pretty new to Beijing so I'm slowly trying to explore as much of the scene in and around. The main benefit being that I look local enough to fit in and try the less Western explored options like KTVs and random massage parlors while still trying out getting to know chicks in a club / bar in the usually hope-for-freebie fashion.
I have to agree on the escort side though, I only venture an outcall once in a while when I feel like I need a screw and am bored of trying at the various other places, but the results I've been getting have been drastically going from bad to worse. I'd have imagined that I'd be getting better quality girls for being a 'return customer' but it hasn't been the case and when you see better looking girls at KTVs, clubs / bars or even on the street, you can frankly get very annoyed. Yeah I am in a similar situation, I can see the point being made about advertising on here, and I agree that my first post was not appropriate for this thread. I have learned a lesson about how to give my opinions without sounding as though I am working for someone (hopefully). I think everyone has had enough of the argument, and I for one will drop it and not mention a particular Escort service again by name.
I don't believe the personal attacks are warranted however, I am happy to agree to disagree as should have happened long ago. I also would like to meet some of the more seasoned veterans to get some first hand tips and at least know someone at these bars.
I have tried a couple of recommendations lately, but these guys are also being labeled shills, so I'm afraid to mention my experiences.
I did write about the BBS girl I took out as recommended by someone earlier, I said she let off an almighty fart, which is always a turn on of course, but I forgot to mention how she spit on my bedroom floor and didn't last the distance, jumped ship before I had finished, too big she reckoned. Never again for me. But I think it pays to try all services yourself rather than take too much notice of others, only way you can decide I think?
SE Asia Joe
04-26-11, 10:30
Finally some sense; What a great suggestion, come on Joe, arrange a meeting and a few beers, you could show us newbies first hand how it's done?
I tried stretching my wings a bit as you suggested, found some girls online, looked great in the pics, so I rang three, all wanted 1200Rmbs for one pop and I suspect it was the same girl answering (same background noise etc) anyway this is way out of my budget. So tried the BBBS girls, things were bad enough, but when she hesitated during (covered) BJ to rip off a fart that would strip paint off your car I decided I was not moving in the right direction. Maybe there has been some marketing for Angel on here, but Nameci's idea is a good one, you might actually think we are good guys once we meet, and you can see if we are genuinely interested in finding the "right stuff".
To say that Angels girls are ex BBBS or worse is a bit below the belt, I have never had one that looked over 25, I for one feel sympathy for her after the way some of you have attacked her personally. We all know what these girls are, lets not kid ourselves into thinking they are interested in us, GFE get real, they, as with most Chinese girls spell love YUAN.
Looking forward to our "newbies" night. Maggies sounds interesting, lets do it? Arrange for a meeting?
A few Beers?
With YOU?
Why would you think I'd be interested in meeting up with a Pimp / Shill?
Yeah. I've also read all your 9 posts of shameless promotion of your fugliesinBeijing. And yes. You ARE a skilfull writer. But not so skilful as to actually mask the fact that you ARE just a Shill / Pimp.
And amongst all you shills bottom feeding, YOU, Dynamic, you really ARE the worst!
Even resorting to knocking others of your ilks' offering of their own true fuglies.
Amazing!
I guess there IS no honour amongst thieves!
SEAJ
Someone was asking where is a BBS. I've been to BJ a few times and looked around but maybe looked in the wrong places. Did see one a few weeks ago that is centrally located. It's 5 mins walk from the Trader's hotel. Simply exit the lobby by the front doors. Turn left out the door to the intersection (20m up) and go right. Walk anothe 20m and make a left onto the street that Maggie's is on. Staying on the left side, it is maybe a 2-3 min walk. There was just one in a building with a fairly decrepit facade. Gave it a thought but didn't try it as I was heading to Maggie's, which was about 15-20mins more walk.
Sorry, that's all I've got for now.
SEAJ: Definitely see what you mean about the shills and it's amusing how sometimes they get caught up in their 'personal conversations' they forget which account they're posting on when they try to lowblow just to seem credible.
Anyway on another note that you mentioned that I suppose I could talk about and give some insight on is the current mongering situation in Beijing. I've been here about a good 6 months and there's been some interesting things that have and have not happened.
KTVs: I'm Chinese by descent and speak fairly good Putonghua so I really like these joints (also because I love singing so it's a two-for-one at the very least) but the last time I've manage to fairly effective bag a girl home through direct informing the mamasan that I'm looking for take-out was in Dec 2010. Most of the KTVs that I've been to in the recent months seem to have an annoyingly tight clamp on their girls, or the girls themselves aren't that eager for the quick money from a ST or LT. Been working on charming a few and it hasn't seemed to effective, not that anything's been mentioned but maybe there's something afoot or I just have terrible luck on that front at the moment. Or course I also haven't hit all the KTVs in Beijing yet, so there might be some potentials still available here and there. Will definitely inform if there's something most positive on this front.
Saunas: Was brought to two MPs that would supposedly offer FS services by a taxi driver that I flagged down after a night at Babyface near Gongti. Went in, but like most places I've discovered, if they have it, they won't tell you till you've at least stated your intent to use their services and have gone through the shower / changed. Which usually means that you're stuck there for at least their entry fee before you even have the opportunity to see the girls and by then, it's also a chance that you're somewhat stuck with making a half-hearted selection from a half-decent line-up. Didn't try the ones located in Beijing, but I did venture through the one I mentioned in a previous post up in Yanjiao recommended by Gaoshou, so follow that if you're interested.
Massage Parlors: Haven't tried the seedy looking ones located around where I stay but I have heard that the potential for at least getting a HJ can be rather high if you have the right chemistry with the massage girl. Again YMMV especially if you're not fluent in the language. Surprisingly I went to a clean joint with a friend recently and managed to get quite flirty with my massage girl. Been in contact for the last few days so I'll update if I get a freebie.
Clubs / Bars: Depending on your target, type and preference, there's a large selection of places to go. Maggie's, Chocolate, etc for the straight transactional situation with Mongolians / Russians / PRCs. The bars in Sanlitun / Wudaoku if you're trying to score university student freebies (quite low hit rate I will assure you.) The Chinese clubs around the Gongti (Workers' Stadium) North and West Gates are pretty good, almost any guy with a smile, a drink and simple courage can rack up any number of female phone numbers. Again YMMV here, but it's the best suggestion for checking out freebies and some of the hottest girls in Beijing.
Outcalls: Your final choice if you really need to get laid and can't do any of the above in your free time. I would almost say YMMV, but I've slowly been realizing that the quality and performance of the girls being sent over has gone below par, especially when I've seen what's on offer out there. There are very rare occasions when a real beauty is sent over (and honestly, I'm using an Asian mindset to determine what's hot, which sad to say can be often better than the touring white guy. We don't all look same.) and most of the time, they're just barely passable on my fuckable list. But a hungry man won't refuse a 500-1000RMB meal he's ordered and that he has to pay 100RMB to reject. Although I have to say why there's a lack of bad reports is mostly because which guy will honestly want to say that he's paid for a bad fuck? It's still an ego issue. Haha.
That's all I have so far as I'm giving myself opportunities to explore from time to time. As usual, always looking at insights and opinions from other mongers in Beijing as well as recommendations.
Vera Petrova
04-27-11, 04:17
SEAJ: Definitely see what you mean about the shills and it's amusing how sometimes they get caught up in their 'personal conversations' they forget which account they're posting on when they try to lowblow just to seem credible.
That's all I have so far as I'm giving myself opportunities to explore from time to time. As usual, always looking at insights and opinions from other mongers in Beijing as well as recommendations. Nameci,
Another informative report. Sound like you're really a BJ expert. I'll come over to BJ in mid-May. Will you be in town at that time. Maybe we can hang out for some action.
VP
I don't believe the personal attacks are warranted however, I am happy to agree to disagree as should have happened long ago. I also would like to meet some of the more seasoned veterans to get some first hand tips and at least know someone at these bars.Well, if the situation is right, I could attempt to meet up with you. Might not be much but I could somewhat vouch for your existence if you'd like, although I'm no veteran. Although as you will probably see from my post about that sort of activities I partake in in Beijing, you'd have to tell me what sort you'd prefer. Although you could venture into showing me where you've found some of the BBSes so I could just add them to my growing list of potential places for entertainment.
Bad Boy Billy
04-27-11, 05:54
All except for you of course, your promotion of MAGGIES, CHOCOLATES etc, is OK, nobody would dare accuse you of getting a freebie or drinks on the house for that!Dynamic. The more you post my friend the more stupid you are making yourself look.
I would love you to show me one post where SEAJ has PROMOTED Maggies or Chocolate. Please show me.
For you other retards who are having a crack at Joe might I suggest you actually READ THE FUCKING FORUMS before you spew your shit all over this thread.
No other poster has given more to the Chinese thread in general than SEAJ has done over an extended period of many years.
Rather than have a crack at Joe. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. And I do not mean post fake reports. Put up accurate useful information or go hide under your rocks.
SE Asia Joe
04-27-11, 06:10
It seems you just won't let go, like a fox terrier with a dry bone or attached to someones pant leg.
You have created a situation where ANYONE trying to give advice here is going to be labeled a SHILL / PIMP.
All except for you of course, your promotion of MAGGIES, CHOCOLATES etc, is OK, nobody would dare accuse you of getting a freebie or drinks on the house for that!
Nameci has given a good account of these bars on behalf of those of us who don't want to spend the sort of money you are willing to SHELL out fora GFE, how sad, you think these pretty girls like you? Leave your fat wallet in your pocket and see how far you get.
For the sake of others, who are sick of your paranoid ranting about SHILLS and GUERILLA marketers, give it up and provide some valuable information you are losing credibility by continuing down this path.
Maybe someone on here could do a comparison on these outcall services and give an account, we all know your opinion, and have heard your merciless attack on one particular provide. I can only imagine what she or one of her girls must have done to you to attract this level of hatred.
You have written many posts, an old hand at it you might say, that just means you have a lot to say, but doesn't make you RIGHT!
To quote Winston Churchill " WHEN THE EAGLES ARE SILENT, THE PARROTS BEGIN TO CHATTER"YEAH. You'd like that wouldn't you?
For me to stop calling you out for the lying, scheming and manipulating that you are doing on our board.
Yeah, GREAT honey laced, but poison pen you've got. And don't for one moment think that I and others here will not recognize you for the Shill that you are; what, just cause you can write English properly, that we are not going to spot you for the pimp that you are?
Another english teacher are we? Need to write it up so that you can get free gals from your Momma?
Look-it. If you cain't afford to punt. DON'T! Don't you have at least a bit of dignity?
You're the kind of foreigner that puts us all in such a bad light.
And yeah. Beg to arrange for a meet up? So that you could wrangle a free beer or 2?
For you to even suggest that anybody would do things for free drinks highlights the kind of low life you truly are.
SEAJ
Bad Boy Billy
04-27-11, 06:38
Any genuine reports on incall / outcall services in Beijing are TOTALLY welcomed. TOTALLY.
We all like good service. We all like good deals.
What we don't like are these fake reports / blatant shills bastardising this thread with their crap.
I will be back in BJ May 24 to 31 and June 20 to 27. Marias, Angels and any others I can find will get ANOTHER genuine test run. Reports on all levels of service will be provided including pics.
Lets just see how good these services are. God I hope I am proven totally wroong.
Zero Seven
04-27-11, 14:16
Hi there. I'm new on the forum but I've been living in Beijing for almost 5 years now. I've started checking on outcall services for 3 years, and I've tried a lot of different options.
Just to put some basics, I'm not a rich businessman or loaded like Cresus, but I earn a good living, and I don't go out that much. That's why I do prefer to be at home, relaxed, and wait for some girls to visit me.
I tried a lot of numbers you can find on internet and the funny cards you can find on your doors regulary, and as a lot of guys said. 99% of them are crappy services, asking overprices (1000 or more) for a service that should cost 500 or 600 top. Even I can speak some Chinese, as long as the people on phone hear you're not a native, they won't go under 400/500 (again, in my own experience).
I've found this website by accident, searching new ideas and new services, as the ones I got are not constant in the quality.
1st I have to say is that when you go for outcall services, it won't go by clock, you can have a little massage if you pay a little more, but most of the time, the girl comes, go to the room, undress, and let's go to work.
If you can speak Chinese (for Chinese cards or numbers) , you can negociate to have a massage, having some time before getting on, but don't be surprised if the girl just leave after you've delivered your package. So when I see some of you make the clock counts in your negociation, I'm a little surprised, it never happened to me. I'm certainly not negociating well about that.
I did once get a stunning girl, from a card service, but it was the one chance on a thousand, I got her number, but as I moved too far from Chaoyang, she won't come to my home anymore. If you want her number, I highly recommed her, and she used to come for 500 at my previous place.
Then I've tried recently some of the services that comes back regulary in the forum. As I live a little far east 5th ring now, it has been more difficult for me to find any service who would come here.
I've tried Maria 1st. She sent a girl who "looked like" some of her website, the girl came, rushed all the work, very disappointing.
I've tried the "escort beijing" blog that look like the same as Maria. The girl was the same as on the site, but she didn't like I touch her (even her boobs) , completely killed the mood, I just sent her away.
Then I tried Angel, and I have to admit that it took some time, but I never had any trouble with any of her girls. Some of them were less into what I like than others, but definitely, I now have 2 or 3 favorites, and every time is getting better with them. I always pay the same price (700 as I live far) for any of them, and Angel get the point of anything I ask. Maybe because I've find a chin-glish way to talk with people in beijing, but all my requests were clear, and as long as I treat the ladies well, they all enjoy (as much as me) the time we have. And you can read on other report which photos are genuine or not, I can confirm what I've read so far here.
Now it seems that the "real players" here go on clubs or bars or massage places, all of it sound nice, but in my situation, I do prefer (for both reasons of money and convenience) using outcall services.
So what I can say is that everything you can get for 400/500 will certainly disappoint you, and also everything you could get for 1200 or 1500 would be overpaid, you could get theses services for 800 if you negociate.
Then there are "Angel style" services, that are cheaper, but for me much better quality compare to what I had before. My bad experience with Maria or the other one may be an accident, but hey. I pay the service. I got nothing but unconsiderate response from them. Only Angel seems to listen to what I said. So for now, I'll stop throwing money for disappointing services (again, I'm not loaded.) and certainly only use Angel for the time I have to spend here.
I'm open to any advice or opinion. I hope I was clear enough on my situation to make this report have a sense.
Anyway, I'm glad I found this forum, all your different experiences makes me understand so much more things about China.
Zero7
Any genuine reports on incall / outcall services in Beijing are TOTALLY welcomed. TOTALLY.
We all like good service. We all like good deals.
What we don't like are these fake reports / blatant shills bastardising this thread with their crap.
I will be back in BJ May 24 to 31 and June 20 to 27. Marias, Angels and any others I can find will get ANOTHER genuine test run. Reports on all levels of service will be provided including pics.
Lets just see how good these services are. God I hope I am proven totally wroong. Yes I know you are a M8 of SEAJ's and have come out in support of him. Good for you, at least you are willing to do a comparison so you are a bit more open minded, again, good for you, I just hope you will give an honest assessment and not one that will support your old friends stand?
I think you will find that the things he says are at best the mindless ranting of a sad little man, and at worst outright lies!
I have no interest in back and forward abuse, I offered to meet him, I am also happy to meet you, verify I am a genuine guy then clear up this B*shit. Everything SEAJ says about me is a lie! The only favors money or anything else going between myself and Angel, is my money, from my wallet to her purse. And from what I have found elsewhere, I am happy to continue that arrangement.
I am glad you have supported anyone who reports on outcall services, I have also tried Maria's recently, and found it sub standard, in fact dare I say it, the girl was ex Angels and one I sent back. The photos on her site are not genuine, also true of Angels, and probably all these sites I guess?
There are at least five BBSes within about a 20 minute walk of each other near sanyuanqiao. If you want we could get a beer and do a BBS walkabout sometime. This afternoon I noticed three tough looking cops outside blue lake sauna in the same neighborhood. The sauna was closed as were the 3 BBSes on the same street. First time I've seen them closed in weeks. Will ask around tomorrow to see what's going on. So may not be a great time to partake at the BBSes, but sure is nice weather for a beer and a walk. Would also be happy to meet up with other members for drinks. PM if interested.
Well, if the situation is right, I could attempt to meet up with you. Might not be much but I could somewhat vouch for your existence if you'd like, although I'm no veteran. Although as you will probably see from my post about that sort of activities I partake in in Beijing, you'd have to tell me what sort you'd prefer. Although you could venture into showing me where you've found some of the BBSes so I could just add them to my growing list of potential places for entertainment.
I have tried a couple of recommendations lately, but these guys are also being labeled shills, so I'm afraid to mention my experiences.Who'd you try lately? How was it?
Cooler Wolf2
04-27-11, 20:21
For the sake of others, who are sick of your paranoid ranting about SHILLS and GUERILLA marketers, give it up and provide some valuable information you are losing credibility by continuing down this path.
To quote Winston Churchill " WHEN THE EAGLES ARE SILENT, THE PARROTS BEGIN TO CHATTER"We're still waiting for you to post anything of value and here you are demanding that SEAJ, who has 3, 000+ posts, provide 'valuable information', and that he is a sad little man.
Way to go if you want to prove your credibility on the site.
A dozen posts, over and over again repeating the qualities of one provider, listing their contact details, smells to high heaven of being a shill. And if you can't see that, then there clearly ain't too much happening upstairs. You should have dropped this a long time ago. It never did need to get to this stge.
Oh and before I sign off. You might want to be careful about who you quote. It's usually a sign of admiration for his 'pearl of wisdom'.
You did know that dear old Winne was once charged & appeared in court on a buggery charge? And no, it wasn't with a woman. You wouldn't want people around here to think you want to emulate him, now would you?
Then I tried Angel, and I have to admit that it took some time, but I never had any trouble with any of her girls. Some of them were less into what I like than others, but definitely, I now have 2 or 3 favorites, and every time is getting better with them.
Zero7AGAIN?
ANGEL. Every time you create a new handle to promote yourself on here, you are going to see this:
ANGEL USES FAKE HANDLES TO PROMOTE HER SERVICE. THIS HAS HAPPENED SO MANY TIMES THAT THERE IS NO WAY ANYONE CAN TRUST A REPORT ABOUT THEM.
See that? Now everyone coming to Beijing is going to see this.
You are more than wasting your and our time. You are causing yourself to be called out as a fake.
Bad Boy Billy
04-27-11, 23:00
Yes I know you are a M8 of SEAJ's and have come out in support of him.Nah SEAJ is no mate of Billy's. He is indeed a close mate of OAH. Anybody who is friend of OAH will not even get the time of day from Billy.
I am also happy to meet you, verify I am a genuine guy then clear up this B*shit.Hell yeah I will meet you. God I spend time with Sammy, Zhuren and FA. Your company COULD NOT be worse than theirs.
I am glad you have supported anyone who reports on outcall services,I think you have a totally distorted view of this thread my friend. ALL genuine posters here have a desire to find / use / enjoy GENUINE sexual services. Incall / outcall OR pick up bars OR KTV's OR saunas. Basically we don't give a fuck what type of service. If it is genuine and of quality then we want info.
WE DO NOT WANT FAKE POSTERS / SHILLS BLATANTLY PROMOTING COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS THAT THEY HAVE AN ASSOCIATION WITH.
The photos on her site are not genuine, also true of Angels, and probably all these sites I guess?Now that is a promising start. You openly admit the photos are fake. Let's move on from here.
I will be in BJ May 24 for 5 nights. I will PM you on my arrival. I am more than happy to can catch up and sustantiate your bona fides.
Sebastian My
04-28-11, 01:43
Anyone has an experience with the Las vegas Club, next to the Ritian International Hotel (Up close to the Alien Street Markets) (where do they gets these names, Alien, I assume its a mis-translation which stuck). I have been informed its a mainly Russian night club, similar to chocolates. This could mean there are a lack of providers, as the punters may not be interested in engaging with a someone who may of lived next door back home, in Beijing. But you never know.
I will check it out later this week, but any comments before hand would be appreciated.
As for Hollywood. Pretty low key. The same 3 Russians I have seen for the last 6+ months (all which look very nice, so no complaints their. Its just the quantity which is an issue) and about 6+ Chinese / mongolians / psuedo-koreans. The new show was interesting and amusing. 5 girls (sic) of which 3 are certainly Katoi's and the other 2 probably bona-fide female (but you can never really tell, but one I use to see dancing in one of the better bars in patpong and I am pretty certain its a she.). While some may feel its a bit lame, for me I always appreciate some entertainment at Hollywoods as I check out the providers - so I enjoyed it.
Chocolates was surprisingly busy, but I left before the providers arrived so I cannot provide a comment their.
As for all these comments on Angels, etc - could I suggest that we create a seperate post for beijing call-out services, then those whoa re interested in this service (which I am not) can get all the information they need (fake or real) and the folks with a bit more engery can focus on the services which require some effort here. I remeber the last time we had this type of issue we create a seperate post for low cost providers in beijing and it killed the arguments.
So, no action at walkable distance from the opposite house hotel (right in the center of sanlitun)?
No massage parlor, no wg walking, no bbs, no clubs?
What a horrible place!
Except taking a cab, I a brother has a good idea, I will make a big report on it.
Thanks in advance
Bad Boy Billy
04-28-11, 03:35
and about 6+ Chinese / mongolians / psuedo-koreans.Sebastian. That same Chinese w. H. O. Are. E who is trying to pass herself off as a Korean has had that same red cap on every time I have been in Hollywood like for the last 6 years.
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