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Member #3421

08-23-07, 03:30

There doesn't need to be a fantastic story worthy of the board for it to have been a great evening, and so mine will be rather tame. Sammy: thank you! Your warmth and generosity is legend and now I see why. Everyone else: what a great community this is!

I believe I may have fired the first (and only) shot at the undisclosed meeting place. We had the time to kill, and I figured what the hell, why not?! Not sure if it was BBS or Sauna. Sammy let us know the going rates were a little on the high side, 200 house/200 tip for massage and HJ. An extra 100 got a little more and I was off to the races.

The remainder of my evening was social, comparing notes with BBB and Taiwan guy, mostly. Shot a few games of pool with a tall Mongolian, and finally decided that at 3 AM I needed to find my bed, alone. Forgot to get her number, but Taiwan Guy was still on site and got it for me. Also discovered a common interest with Sammy, a Chinese WG that turned up in Maggies, much to our surprise. I had previously met her at the Pig, and I'm not sure what Sammy's story was. Again, got her number and hope for weekend plans.

One interesting point for discussion was that after Sammy left, two of the Chinese girls who joined us at Maggies from the first location hit up Taiwan Guy for money. I'm not sure exactly why, but I think after consulting with Zhuren things were settled. I don't know details, but I would think that their joining us at Maggies was their choice, and they couldn't have gotten in without us? So I can't imagine why they would have expected more from us at that point. Was definitely not a crisis, no problem, no harm no foul, I'm just curious for future reference and it might help others to anticipate such things.

- NBG

Member #3421

08-23-07, 03:36

BBB and I agreed that a naked-KTV outing is necessary. Friday and Saturday nights have been proposed. I'm sure Sammy or the other senior members can recommend the ideal spot and provide details on the necessary protocol.

If I understand correctly, KTV can take several hours. So I suggest we start a little early so we can finish the night at Maggies or wherever. To get the ball rolling, I suggest Saturday night at 8 PM, meeting at a secret location at 8 PM. If someone feels strongly that Friday would be better, that's ok with me.

PM/SMS me for details if interested.

- NBG

Softy

08-23-07, 12:55

Ok, guys, this is it.

The balls are in motion.

This is the plan:

1.) The Initiated already have the Undisclosed Location and will meet Sammy T there at the given time.

2.) The unititiated, people without PM capability, and others will meet NBG and Zhuren at 8pm at the Pig & Thistle, situated in the Holiday Inn Lido.
From there, you will be brought to the Undisclosed Location.

A Royal Tour of Beijing's Nightlife will await you, something that even oldtimers rarely experience, at least not in one evening.

- The Infamous Pig
- A really infmamous (but interesting place, rarely known.)
- A naked KTV
- Get a Hard On at Hard Rock
- Russians at Absinth
- More Russians at Hollywood
- Maggie's, the Holy Grail

The tour is free, BYOB, BYOG

Rats...too bad I was stuck in Hk for a few days...:(

Aaron Ferns

08-23-07, 16:51

Hello Fellow Mongers,

I am visiting Beijing mid-Sep. and this would be my first time in China. I don't speak a word of Chinese and don't know a soul there. I am based in Bombay but I am half Portuguese-half Indian.

I would love to hit out on a similar tour with any/all of you guys when I'm there (pref. on 21st night). I am giving advance notice so you guys get plenty of time to make up your minds.

Of course if you are ever in Bombay, all favours will be returned in equal measures.

Cheers!

AF

Xdentx

08-25-07, 00:41

I've been reading the Beijing forum for some time now in preperation for my first visit to that city. Many thanks to the posters who have given detailed info on Maggies, Hollywood, The Pig, Hard Rock, Absinth and other venues...as well as hotels. Since I fly solo and don't know anyone in the city, the KTV experience is not an option for me. I enjoy the hunt (or being hunted), so I've been reading the personal ads on AsiaExpat and "That's Beijing". There is also interesting info under the travel guide section. I had a nice experience with this process last year in Shenzhen, where a companion picked me up at the Shekou Ferry terminal and spent two days with me. She was attractive, spoke English well, knew the city, and met expectations in bed.

Basically, you can place an ad looking for an attractive "all service" female guide/companion to the city, then sit back and sift through the incoming mail. I'm the first to admit this can be a very hit and miss process, but it's rather entertaining to correspond with some of these ladies. You might almost consider it foreplay. On one hand you get responses like "I've only provided guide services in the past, but I'll make an exception for you" (overnight service). On the other you get some very graphic replys regarding a providers love to perform AR etc. Equally interesting is the complete range of fees that the ladies start requesting...from 300rmb to 2000rmb/24hours. Of course any meeting that does occur first takes place on neutral ground (coffee shop or bar) with either party able to bail. In a way I compare this hunt to trying to find a diamond in the rough. I try to be up front with my expectations regarding their services and the fact that I expect to pay a reasonable fee. Not looking for freebees.

So anyone out there had similar luck/experience with the classified ads and personal listings? Any stories to share...good or bad? Thanks

Sammon

08-25-07, 02:48

Hi Aaron,
I may be in Beijing Mid- September. Send me Pm.

Ragnarok42

08-25-07, 04:03

Needed to get my rocks off when I woke up so wandered over to Wang Jing New Town at 10 AM. Nothing looked promising at such an early hour so went back to No. 417 where I had a pretty good experience.

Woke up the manager and "woke up" the girl by fucking her brains out. Girl was a 5 at best but good attitude. Couldn't make any noises since we were the only ones there and that made her grind me all that much harder, made up a bit for her looks. Finished her in doggy and she cleaned me up. Total damage 300 RMB, now that is more like it. Tired of being quoted 800 to 1000 for girls of same quality.

The girl mentioned that the police are cracking down ahead of the Oct. 1st holiday. So watch out there everybody. Good to have fun but better to be safe. Will try some other basement places later tonight when all the girls are actually awake. Any other suggestions for places for FS in the area?

Member #3421

08-25-07, 05:07

I'm naughty, and nice. Hit the jackpot yesterday with the support and guidance of BBB and Taiwan Guy. Dinner at the Den: much better pizza than I would have expected. Onwards to Hollywood.

I quickly spotted a tall Russian who perhaps objectively couldn't match the beauty of BBB's target, but who for me was perfect. In the interest of science, I'll give her a 9, but she had quite possibly the best body I've had the pleasure of. Not a stunning face but pretty. I was only 1/3 done my beer, after about 5 minutes there, and decided to pull the trigger. Left BBB chatting up his Russian, left my beer with Taiwan Guy, and made my move. She called over her "friend" who was the mamasan (or whatever you call the Russian leader), so said "800, one time, you know?" Yes, fine, let's get outta here. Total time in Hollywood: under 10 minutes. Now, I've read the many comments on "mechanical Russians." CBJ, then her on top, then doggie, pop, voila. But it was pretty damn good. She was friendly, enjoyed a decent chat before/after. Will try to repeat, and may be my only repeat in Beijing.

Let me add one comment re: my perspective on Beijing. It was refreshing at Hollywood to have the business side of things so firmly established. Perhaps if I had more experience I'd feel the same way with the Chinese/Mongolians, but I'm not there yet. So if you're a newbie looking for something dependable without potential negotiation difficulties, you might consider Russian at least once.

Sent the Russian on her way, grabbed a cab to Maggies. Taiwan Guy had contacted a Chinese girl I'd met at the Lido a few nights ago (I gave him her number). He waited for her and got her in the door -- as has been noted she wouldn't have gotten in otherwise. Lucky for me, he was taking the night easy, and she seemed happy enough to see me. (Note to self: look in the mirror again, you're not that good looking, NBG, she likes your money.) Had a few drinks, danced a bit, split. GFE. Good night's sleep, another romp. Offered breakfast, but I think she was ready to get home. 1200 plus taxi, she didn't even count it.

Now: onwards!

Tonight: NAKED KTV. Sammy recommended the place, but unfortunately can't come. Me, BBB, Taiwan, perhaps Zhuren, others are welcome. We haven't yet set the time or meeting place. If you can't PM me and can't get my phone number from one of the other Senior Members, post that you are interested and I'll post sufficient info for you to hook up. If nobody posts, we'll go it alone.

NBG

Arrigo

08-25-07, 06:27

Now: onwards!

Tonight: NAKED KTV. Sammy recommended the place, but unfortunately can't come. Me, BBB, Taiwan, perhaps Zhuren, others are welcome. We haven't yet set the time or meeting place. If you can't PM me and can't get my phone number from one of the other Senior Members, post that you are interested and I'll post sufficient info for you to hook up. If nobody posts, we'll go it alone.

NBGI am back to live permanently in beijing after more than 20 years absence.

I have lived half a decade in Beijing's eightie's, that was quite a time for our dedicated sport.

I am totally fluent in chinese but on the other hand as everything changed here and I can see there is quite a bit of accumulated experience, I guess I shall have to relearn the job.

I would be happy to join the crowd tonight in the secret place if somebody could give me the indication by PM, that would be great!

If I am to late, I hope to meet you guies later.

Enjoy!

Arrigo

Zhuren

08-25-07, 14:10

Parents, keep ur daughters home. WG's, have a shower.

NBG, BBB, 52nd province guy, and Zhuren are on the prowl.

Zhuren

08-25-07, 18:47

NBG and BBB had their blonde moments at Hollywood and departed with long legged denizens from Siberia.

52nd Province Man & Zhuren continued to Maggies.

The man from Taiwan tried to settle some kind of beef with a Mongolian maiden by lodging a complaint. Somehow, the complaint did not stick. The maiden passed on the word to her other sisters from Ulan Bator. "Boycott" was in the air. It wouldn't be all too surprising if Mongolian pussy suddenly will become unavailable to our friend.

Nobody Doe

08-25-07, 19:40

I think I have done the Maggies. I have read an old post (2005) regarding to Diamond Bar vs. Passions:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=372923

I quoted the post here:
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As for Diamond Age, I got the impression business was really bad. (Actually last week's business was bad everywhere I went, especially last weekend – could be due to the US holidays? This was good for me.) In this environment I got the impression the women at Diamond Age were desperate – far more desperate that I have ever witnessed at Passions. So go on a quiet evening, not too early, and try you luck at the “How cheap will they go” game.
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But it was 2 years ago post. Not sure if it's still valid or not, and not sure how cheat would they go for now.

Sammy (and other senior members), have you ever visited Diamond Bar? I read Sammy's older post that you planned to visit and update your Beginner's Guide, but still I couldn't find your report of Diamond Bar.

I've been to the old Passions in year 2001, and at that time the girls were great, but the price was so high (didn't take out any girl.)

And Sammy, would you have time on Sunday late night to go hunt with me there (probably NBG / BBB / Zhuren / others if they are interested?) I have sent you a text message, and if you got the message, you know my phone number to text back. If you didn't get my text, then please text NBG to get my number.

Cheers,

Taiwan Guy

Popp Master

08-26-07, 00:12

I will be on a business trip to Beijing next month.

Could some one let me have the exact address of Maggie, so that I can show the taxi driver.

I do not speak Chinese and hope that taxi drivers would understand English.

Thank you very much for your help.

Popp Master

OldAsiaHand

08-26-07, 05:43

In Beijing last week, I had the honor to hook-up with some of the infamous Beijing ISG mongers.

SammyT, as usual, was the most gracious host with delegations from both the Chinese and Mongolian embassies on hand when we arrived at Cafe Del Mar. We headed off to Maggies with the Chinese delegation in tow. There was one Chinese girl with a huge rack that I wanted to do, but she seemed to have eyes for the "King". BBB did manage to cop a feel of those jugs in Sammy's car on the way to Maggies and I got stuck with an ugly ***** on my lap for the ride. Just my luck.

The party continued at Maggies in Sammy's private room off the dance floor. I zoomed in on a cute little thing from the Chinese delegation. She refused to go with me explaining that they just came along for a good time and were not on the game per se. Sammy did a runner. "Big Rack" and the "*****" were looking for him. Evidently, they expected more money for their time even though they told Taiwan Guy and I that they were not "working girls" and were not willing to lay down for the deed. Taiwan Guy and I left them outside and security stopped them at the door. Next thing I know, all the Chinese girls that came with us were gone.

I cannot figure out why the Chinese girls came to Cafe Del Mar in the first place. When I was talking to them there, they were offering, "massage", which I normally take to mean FS. NBG told me one of them got naked and gave him a HJ in the rooms downstairs. Maybe Sammy can clarify the real situation. Given another opportunity, I would still like to do "Big Rack" and the cute little thing.

Later, I had just completed negotiations with a girl and was ready to leave, when another one I missed out on 2 nights before walked in. I did a switch and bolted out the side door to avoid the first one. She was pissed and chased us to the door screaming at me as we walked to the taxi. I am sure she will get over it.

I noticed that prices quoted in Maggies are going up. Some of the girls were quoting my mates 1,500 RMB and many said 1,000 RMB. I only do them ST and used to pay 600 RMB less than a year ago. I had 5 girls from there over 3 days and they all accepted it* (+ cab fare), but with great reluctance this trip.

OAH

* One was 500RMB, but it was late (5 AM) and she was delivery service. I already took one from Maggies, did her and sent her off thinking I would go back for seconds when my mates called to tell me they were leaving. I asked them to send over a big rack. She was a bit older and not that great in the face, but the service was sensational.

P.S. Sammy, get your ass down to S. China soon so I can reciprocate!

Beijing Fox

08-26-07, 05:51

Tried the same before, just in the language tuitition section. Asked for someone to give 24h tuition in Chinese. Got an interesting mix of replies. Was an interestingh exercisem Some of them didn't really understand it. Maybe I was too indirect. The travel section is a good idea, Will try it there.

I've been reading the Beijing forum for some time now in preperation for my first visit to that city. Many thanks to the posters who have given detailed info on Maggies, Hollywood, The Pig, Hard Rock, Absinth and other venues...as well as hotels. Since I fly solo and don't know anyone in the city, the KTV experience is not an option for me. I enjoy the hunt (or being hunted), so I've been reading the personal ads on AsiaExpat and "That's Beijing". There is also interesting info under the travel guide section. I had a nice experience with this process last year in Shenzhen, where a companion picked me up at the Shekou Ferry terminal and spent two days with me. She was attractive, spoke English well, knew the city, and met expectations in bed.

Basically, you can place an ad looking for an attractive "all service" female guide/companion to the city, then sit back and sift through the incoming mail. I'm the first to admit this can be a very hit and miss process, but it's rather entertaining to correspond with some of these ladies. You might almost consider it foreplay. On one hand you get responses like "I've only provided guide services in the past, but I'll make an exception for you" (overnight service). On the other you get some very graphic replys regarding a providers love to perform AR etc. Equally interesting is the complete range of fees that the ladies start requesting...from 300rmb to 2000rmb/24hours. Of course any meeting that does occur first takes place on neutral ground (coffee shop or bar) with either party able to bail. In a way I compare this hunt to trying to find a diamond in the rough. I try to be up front with my expectations regarding their services and the fact that I expect to pay a reasonable fee. Not looking for freebees.

So anyone out there had similar luck/experience with the classified ads and personal listings? Any stories to share...good or bad? Thanks

Member #3421

08-26-07, 08:58

I cannot figure out why the Chinese girls came to Cafe Del Mar in the first place. When I was talking to them there, they were offering, "massage", which I normally take to mean FS. NBG told me one of them got naked and gave him a HJ in the rooms downstairs. Maybe Sammy can clarify the real situation. Given another opportunity, I would still like to do "Big Rack" and the cute little thing.

I think Sammy told me they work at the bar/massage, and got permission from the owner to leave with us. I think FS is available for a price that will vary, but check with Sammy.

So, I'm going to just leave a teaser: BBB owes a post about our combined experience with Hollywood Russians. I think he may tell it better than I. I'm still smiling.

NBG

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 09:01

Time to do a bit of homework as I now am in Tianjin - no pussy haven here so I can get some time to get on the net.

Firstly to Sammy T - mate I just cannot thank you enough for what you did for all us guys in putting last Wednesday night together - you gave us all a night we will never forget - LONG LIVE THE KING SAMMY T.

Your efoorts go WAY beyond what any normal person would expect - thank you 1,000 times.

Just one not thought mate - please tell your driver - when he delivers a car load of guys to Maggies - do not just jump out and head inside leaving the occupants locked inside.

If it had not been for that 'big-titted' ***** I had sitting on my lap who occupied my attention - I may have well become hysterical like the other 4 people locked inside.

Seriously mate - it was hilarious.

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 09:06

Just a few thoughts on each individual who got together for 'The Big Nite Out'

Sammy - What more can I say .............you are the KING...............you are a fucking LEGEND.

OldAsiaHand - You know what I like about you the most mate?...............you are a SICK PERVERTED PRICK............you would make a PERFECT Australian.

NewBeijingGuy - You have come so far so quickly - from that first lazy, naive post right through to graduation............you now go out, you seek, you sample, you share and you report.............a monger can do more.

TaiwanGuy - A chinese guy who seeks and consumes pussy just like the westerners.............we do not meet enough chinese guys like you.

Zhuren - Mate I did not get a chance to talk to you this first night - your face was continually thrust into some Mongolian girls chest...........was great to meet again and chat last night at The Den

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 09:20

I gotta share this with you guys.

I arrived Beijing at 12.30pm on Aug 20 - I immediately sent a SMS to one of my 'afternoon delights' and told her to come to China World Hotel so I could fuck her - normal 3, 3, 5 deal. (3 hours, 3 fucks, RMB500) - ok she said - I be there 5pm.

No fucking way - be there at 2.30 as Billy is as horny as a toad - OK - deal done. After I fucked her first time I asked her did she find nice boyfriend last night. YES - from which country - America - which hotel - St Regis - you stay all night? - no he fuck me once and I leave - you go back Maggies to find another fuck right? Giggles - YES. - OK - normal night for many girls.

Later that night I eat at The Den and receive a number of texts from Sammy, Old Asia Hand and New Beijing Guy - whom I had never met before.

I head to The Pig at Lido hotel after dinner as I know New Beijing Guy and Sammy already there. I go in and quickly find Sammy who says NBG is here somewhere - so I send him SMS and hold my phone in the air and he spots us.

We make acquaintences and have a drink or two - as is Sammys wants he also buys a few tequila shots - night is stating fine.

Ok so now I ask NBG - did you pick up a girl from Maggies last night - yes - was she good? Yeah she was good - which hotel you staying at - St Regis - Billys ears prick up - did she stay all night - nah I fucked her once and she left - Billy blurts - I KNOW WHO YOU FUCKED LAST NIGHT - gives description and name and YES I am right on the money.

Not so funny?..............but wait there is more.

We go to Maggies later and sure enogh the girl in qustion is there and NBG confirms its her - cool.

The night of THE BIG NITE OUT - when we are all still in Maggies very late - Billy and NBG are standing having a drink and shooting the shit when through the crowd comes Old Asia Hand with a girl on his arm - I am going guys he say - guess who the girl was?

YEP THATS RIGHT - the same one Billy and NBG both fucked 1 and 2 days previously - Billy and NBG look at each other - we had the biggest laugh - high fives - it was priceless.

OAH mentioned her in his post below - the one he ditched before she got him out the door.

And was she pissed - she kept yelling YOUR FRIEND IS CRAZY, YOUR FRIEND IS CRAZY.

Now had she gotten him out the door before he ditched her - and he was only 3 mtrs from doing so - that would have meant 3 of the 5 guys at The Big Nite Out would have fucked the same girl on 3 consecutive days - what does that say about our tastes gentlemen?

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 09:30

Billy is so ecstatic that he has met such a good 'womb mate' as NBG - and I am so pleased NBG has so quickly taken to Billy's notion of a 'PERFECT' day in Beijing.

1. Afternnon fuck in hotel from some girl whose phone number you have previously gained.

2. Dinner at The Den at 8pm - half price beer and pizza til 10pm - go with the Spicy Chicken Calypso Pizza - unbeatable.

3. Hollywood by 9.30pm and pick the best looking Russian you spot - its a lucky dip but there are GEMS to be found

4. Maggies at 11.30pm - as much alchohol as you then want - pick a fresh young one who has not been too badly spoilt yet - a night of total bliss.

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 09:49

So much to say - I am such a bad typist so I will try to be brief.

I have been a frequent visitor to Hollywood over last 5 to 8 years - I actually much prefer it to The Pig - but we are all different.

Hollywood is run by the Russian / Chinese mafia and is designed solely for Chinese guys - as a Westerner there you will be treated like shit by staff and virtually ignored by the girls.

But do not despair - SOLDIER ON.

I have taken maybe 20 girls from Hollywood - many times I have left empty handed due to the 'cold' atmosphere of the place and response from the girls.

On Thursday night when we visited with NBG and OAH we got to drinking and talking - NBG pointed out this tall blonde - and Billy immediately ZOOMED in - up close clearly a 9 in looks - 180cm tall in flat feet - read thin - super model stature for sure.

OAH and Billy spent almost 10 minutes trying to talk to her - very little english - but out motions showing us as movie camera operators filming her beauty certainly had her and her friends in fits of laughter.

Negotiations soon concluded and we are out the door - get her out of her clothes and this is one SUPERB piece of female beauty - one word descibes her - SPECTACULAR - and what a performer - SPECTACULAR - just knocked my socks off.

I had spoken to OAH earlier and indicated with all previous girls I had taken from Hollywood - maybe only 2 stellar performes - one Russian and one Korean - so it is really hit and miss - but the MOVIE STAR was a GEM.

NBG grabbed onto another tall brunette standing beside the bar - part of the 'Moscow' team run by Galina the mamasan at opposite end of bar to entry

So we go do the deed and meet up at Maggies at 11.30 - BBB and NBG are both RAVING about the bodies and overall performance of these 2 GEMS - 2 really satisfied customers.

So what did we do next night?

You guessed it - we went back again but this time we played 'swapsies' - thats what mates do.

Allyssa the blonde - tallest girl in there - looks 9, body 9.5 (titts just tinniest bit too tiny) performance 10

Anastasie - tallest brunette in the 'Moscow' crew - looks 8, body 9.5, performance also close to 10.

NBG - please chime in - am i right? Am I wrong?

Thursday night will be my last night in Beijing - I will definitely be taking 'movie star' again before I leave.

Overall quality in Hollywood this trip was as good as I have ever seen it.

Nobody Doe

08-26-07, 10:07

I think Sammy told me they work at the bar/massage, and got permission from the owner to leave with us. I think FS is available for a price that will vary, but check with Sammy.

So, I'm going to just leave a teaser: BBB owes a post about our combined experience with Hollywood Russians. I think he may tell it better than I. I'm still smiling.

NBGWell, I talked with these Chinese message girls (in Chinese), and they all told me they wouldn't go out with us for FS, but may go out with us for non-FS (I guess that meant massage + HJ.)

Sammy, could you please clarify whether these Chinese massage girls are FS-able?

Cheers,

Taiwan GUy

Member #3421

08-26-07, 10:08

NBG - please chime in - am i right? Am I wrong?

Thursday night will be my last night in Beijing - I will definitely be taking 'movie star' again before I leave.

Overall quality in Hollywood this trip was as good as I have ever seen it.

You are not wrong, but I'm gonna beat you to the punch. 'Movie star' is hopefully one text message away from a 6 PM fuck (57 minutes and counting as I type). Then the best I could do with your Mongolian recommendation was to schedule a meeting at Maggies for later in the evening. I'm not sure if I'll make pizza at the Den tonight, because I may try to order in dinner with the movie star. Sorry to let you down on that point, mate!

Taiwan and others: I've heard whisperings of Diamond Age or Passions, but I'm on such a run I don't want to rock the boat tonight (Sunday 8/26). Catch up at Maggies perhaps?

NBG

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 10:18

I must echo the sentiments expressed by OAH below - Maggies prices are UP.

All girls are asking at leat 1,000 - many will not accept a penny less.

Many of the young GORGEOUS types are asking RMB2,000 - LUNACY - but it will continue and get worse whilst the idiot guys who attend there continue to pay ridiculously inflated prices - that life.

Billy paid 800, 1000, 800, 800 and 1000 the 5 nights I was there - ALL stayed overnight - ALL great peformers bar one - lets call her THE DUD.

NGB and Billy were drinking one night when this Mongolian girl with a STUNNING body walked past - I thought NBG's eyes were going to pop out of his head - all he could say was loook at her.......look at her.

NBG I did look at her - very closely - I took her 2 nights ago - 800 but what a dud.

28yo with a 6yo son - those PERFECT titts on display in the bar just disintegrated when she took off the padded push up bra - a man does not even get a fighting chance these days.

Still it shows over and over - LIFE IS LIKE A BOX OF CHOCOLATES - some soft sweet centres - some tough unchewable ones - but a guy has just gotta soldier on.

Yes 600 and 500 is achievable at 4 or 5 or 6 in the morn - but that is way too late for me.

Zhuren

08-26-07, 11:13

Now had she gotten him out the door before he ditched her - and he was only 3 mtrs from doing so - that would have meant 3 of the 5 guys at The Big Nite Out would have fucked the same girl on 3 consecutive days - what does that say about our tastes gentlemen?

Just goes to show that Beijing, a city of officially 12 million, inofficially 20 million, is a small town when it comes to certain things ....

Continuation:

Today, Sunday, I'm receiving calls and text messages all day, asking where my "group of friends" is, and where they will party tonight. That group has become a line item in BJ's mongering budget.

Member #3421

08-26-07, 11:34

Just goes to show that Beijing, a city of officially 12 million, inofficially 20 million, is a small town when it comes to certain things ....

Continuation:

Today, Sunday, I'm receiving calls and text messages all day, asking where my "group of friends" is, and where they will party tonight. That group has become a line item in BJ's mongering budget.

Jesus, give them my number! I just struck out with the model, she was busy. I said I'd meet her later, but I've got some time to kill... where should a guy go at 6 PM in this city? BBB though it was too early for Russian at Hollywood.

NBG (very horny)

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 11:44

Bad Boy, I have been to Hollywood many times before it is as you said hit and miss. What is the damage for move star? I may sample this week end.
Post again before you leave Beijing.

Standard price ALL girls in Hollywood - RMB800 for one pop.

All night / long time - negotiate - no fixed pricing with the independants - 'Moscow Crew' standard RMB2400 all night.

Bad Boy Billy

08-26-07, 11:45

Jesus, give them my number! I just struck out with the model, she was busy. I said I'd meet her later, but I've got some time to kill... where should a guy go at 6 PM in this city? BBB though it was too early for Russian at Hollywood.

NBG (very horny)

Well I for one am glad 'Movie Star' stood you up - I said you could borrow the 'future mother of my children' but I never said you could kidnap her !!!

Just kidding mate - remember NBG - young bull / old bull - just take it easy.

Member #3421

08-26-07, 12:07

Well I for one am glad 'Movie Star' stood you up - I said you could borrow the 'future mother of my children' but I never said you could kidnap her !!!

Just kidding mate - remember NBG - young bull / old bull - just take it easy.

Ask and ye shall find. The brunette Russian is on her way (unless something was lost in translation). Which means maybe I can pick up the model around 10:00, and then hit Maggies by soon after midnight. Damn, BBB, you shouldn't have left town with this kind of luck rolling our way! I'm a mere mortal, not a god... I may need help!

Sorry -- just making the most of my meager time here. You guys are so damn lucky.

NBG

Beijing Fox

08-26-07, 14:35

Whenever I had any problems with anybody of our Mongolian guests in the past, it was because of myself misbehaving. Complaining about a girl to Maggie's management, may have dear consequences for her and should only be taken as a last resort. A lost RMB1000 or so for us shouldn't be enough of a reason to deprive them of their livelyhood. What do you think?

NBG and BBB had their blonde moments at Hollywood and departed with long legged denizens from Siberia.

52nd Province Man & Zhuren continued to Maggies.

The man from Taiwan tried to settle some kind of beef with a Mongolian maiden by lodging a complaint. Somehow, the complaint did not stick. The maiden passed on the word to her other sisters from Ulan Bator. "Boycott" was in the air. It wouldn't be all too surprising if Mongolian pussy suddenly will become unavailable to our friend.

Member #3421

08-27-07, 04:43

So as not to just provide a play-by-play, maybe someone will find this useful:

As the senior members (particularly BBB) taught me, collect cell phone numbers. An afternoon fuck (often at a discount or for longer time) is fantastic, and you'll probably need a number to pull it off.

Even if you have numbers, it may not be easy. Communication can be challenging (unless you have skills). Text messages/calls aren't always immediately successful. A seeming agreement for 3 PM may or may not happen. Have patience, maintain a sense of humor, be flexible, roll with the punches.

My call to a Mongolian recommendation of BBBs turned into trouble early on. She thought I *WAS* BBB, started telling me how fabulous I was (ok, frankly, her English wasn't good enough to say that, but you get the idea). I thought she must be high, I'd never met the girl, and had no idea what she was talking about! So we agreed (I thought) to meet at Maggies later. I was a little late arriving, and then discovered via text that she didn't have her cell, a friend did. Her friend said she was wearing a pink top. 2.5 hours later, we finally meet at the pool table. White top. I'd walked by her several times, thought she looked great, but kept going looking for a pink top.

Earlier that night: I thought the 'Movie Star' was free, but a delayed response to confirm (from me) ruined it (for an early meeting). Got the Russian mama on the phone, thought I had the brunette on the way. 1.5 hours later, after a follow-up call or two (ok, ok, 30 minutes... yeah right), I called and told her "sorry, maybe later at Hollywood." Then the 'Movie Star' texts and I jump, and she arrives about 45 minutes late. In the meantime, the Russian mama called me back that the brunette was free. Sorry, too late. The model looked even better and as if she had freshly done herself up just for me. Ok, wishful thinking, but I'll flatter myself.

So: the Russian was fantastic, almost killed me. After hours spent hanging out in Maggies, losing the only game of pool I played, I talk a bit with the Mongolian, get her a hot dog, and split. She almost killed me, too. Couldn't stop. Didn't notice when I was done (which was not quick, given my early activity, but let's not overanalyze this one, guys) and kept going. And going. She left just after 11 AM after a small breakfast.

NBG

NY Buttman

08-27-07, 05:16

My sincere gratitude to all the members contributed to this forum. Have beening doing alot of RTFF for the past 2 months. I have been mongering in mostly in Europe. Holland, Germany, Prague, and Moscow. Also been to Thailand a few times.

This will be my first visit to china. I do not speak any Chinese at all, but due to what everyone has contributed in this forum, I think I at least know where to start. Especially Zhuren, Sammy T, BBB, OAH, and NBG. If I happen to run into you guys in Maggies, definately drinks are on me. I will arrive in Beijing on this Friday and will be staying about 10 days.

My meager contribution to follow after to trip.

Mojo888

08-27-07, 05:28

Sammy_T

08-27-07, 06:17

Complaining about a girl to Maggie's management, may have dear consequences for her and should only be taken as a last resort. A lost RMB1000 or so for us shouldn't be enough of a reason to deprive them of their livelyhood. What do you think?

I agree 100%, BUT if you catch a girl stealing from you, or truly trying to rip you off in some way, you should say something, even if it is only 100 RMB.

The thing to remember is that even the "regulars" only go to Maggie's a few times a month. Maggie's staff and all of the girls there see each other every day. If a girl is truly a trouble maker then the management (and the other girls) already know it, and your complaint might be enough to push her out the door. If everyone likes her then you risk branding yourself as a troublemaker.

As Taiwan Guy discovered, word spreads quickly. I am sure it is even more of a problem for guys of Asian descent. I cannot count the number of times I have been told by a bar tenders or bouncers that Chinese guys drink too much and cause trouble. I have also heard from countless Mongolian girls that Chinese guy get rough with them. I am not saying it is true, but that is the common perception. This gives Asian guys one strike against you from the start in the eyes of both Maggie's management and the Mongolian girls, so you will have to work a little harder to overcome these negative stereotypes.

Sammy

Member #3421

08-27-07, 06:58

Member #3421

08-27-07, 07:13

Most of you know this and are smarter than I. However, this story might help somebody. It should probably be in a different section, but this feels like home.

I had texted one of the russians. 30 minutes later, about 1 PM, I get a reply, "Just got up, are you at the XXXX hotel now?" I sent a reply: "Yes. Can you come at 4 PM, 3 hours, 1000?" I got the following reply: "??"

Now, not many people knew where I was staying, and only one of them would have sent "??" as the reply; the number wasn't the russian's number (when I thought to check, finally). I freaked out, because I was convinced I had just sent my proposal to a business colleague who knew where I was staying. I'm sure some of you are familiar with the feeling. If not, try to avoid it.

I texted back something lame about "3 hours later at 4 PM, can I take you to an early dinner?" The reply, "dinner for 1000? Are you crazy?" I figure I'm screwed. The next email: "This is YYYY!" A wave of pure relief floods over me. She was the freebie I decided to back away from two weeks ago. I had told her where I would be staying the following weekends (a mistake over a few beers).

The moral of the story: if you don't have a completely separate cell phone, be very, very careful. And then be careful again.

NBG

Zhuren

08-27-07, 09:08

Complaining about a girl to Maggie's management, may have dear consequences for her and should only be taken as a last resort. A lost RMB1000 or so for us shouldn't be enough of a reason to deprive them of their livelyhood. What do you think?

Agreed. It's a last resort move and shouldn't be taken lightly. I would only do it if a girl does something really bad, such as stealing. In the three years I've been here, I never had a reason to complain. The few times there was bad service, there simply was no repeat business later.

As BJ Fox said, a complaint that sticks will have a disastrous effect on the girl. Be a man. If she wants too much money, just don't give it to her.

Also, Maggie's Management will take a quick and effective assessment of the complaint:

- Is the complaintant a regular who spends a lot of money at the bar?
- Is the complaintant a known troublemaker?
- Have there been other complaints about the girl?

Then a quick business decision will be made: Who do they want to lose? The customer or the girl? In Taiwan's case, the attempt backfired.

Zhuren

08-27-07, 09:55

Tech advice 1: When taking a girl's number, store her with a short description. My format is NamePlace_we_metSome_characteristic. So Doogie, the girl with the biggest boobs of Maggie's, would be stored as as DoogieMagJuggs.

Tech advice 2: For extended stay, two mobiles. One for straightlaced business. The other a prepaid, used for the sport only.

Most of you know this and are smarter than I. However, this story might help somebody. It should probably be in a different section, but this feels like home.

I had texted one of the russians. 30 minutes later, about 1 PM, I get a reply, "Just got up, are you at the XXXX hotel now?" I sent a reply: "Yes. Can you come at 4 PM, 3 hours, 1000?" I got the following reply: "??"

Now, not many people knew where I was staying, and only one of them would have sent "??" as the reply; the number wasn't the russian's number (when I thought to check, finally). I freaked out, because I was convinced I had just sent my proposal to a business colleague who knew where I was staying. I'm sure some of you are familiar with the feeling. If not, try to avoid it.

I texted back something lame about "3 hours later at 4 PM, can I take you to an early dinner?" The reply, "dinner for 1000? Are you crazy?" I figure I'm screwed. The next email: "This is YYYY!" A wave of pure relief floods over me. She was the freebie I decided to back away from two weeks ago. I had told her where I would be staying the following weekends (a mistake over a few beers).

The moral of the story: if you don't have a completely separate cell phone, be very, very careful. And then be careful again.

NBG

WayneGrow

08-27-07, 14:04

Got the number of a brazilian hottie on the weekend. Her name is Catarina. I believe. She has a female friend name Cassandra. Both look really hot, about 8/9ish looks. Catarina (I cannot really remember her name clearly) has huge boobs and a very sexy frame as well as silky skin.

Her friend is tall and slender more like the classic beauty.

I was offered 2 shots with both girls for 1. 000 RMB, FS including backdoor access. I didn't let that opportunity slip and went to their hotel today. It's close to Wangfujing street, where they sell all kinds of exotic food.

The hotel is small and cheap, so is their room. When both girls have their clothes taken off it's hard to imagine anyone not getting a rock hard one.

However the service lacks, artificial moaning and little enthusiasm.

Doesn't matter how beautiful a WG is, the atmosphere has to be right. In that case it wasn"t. They both were talking brazil to each other during intercourse and I better not know what exactly they said.

Anyway, I had them both analized, but couldn't really get off.

In the end I used my hands to come off on her breasts.

Although I had one more shot to go I decided to pack my things and walk off.

They said something about leaving soon, because Beijing wasn't a good spot for business. You can pm me for CP#.

Slowly I come to realize that mongering is not my kind of sport.

Sex is not just a mechanical thing to me, I need to have some real feelings I guess. Never comes to my mind when my testosteron level is high though.

Anyway, people who can perform well with strangers will definitely like to have a go, since their looks alone are worth it.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Member #3421

08-27-07, 14:36

Albert Punter

08-27-07, 14:39

... and look for those posts where Google map and map in chinese from their website are posted.

This is the most populat venue now in entire China and surely you don't want to miss it !

I will be on a business trip to Beijing next month.

Could some one let me have the exact address of Maggie, so that I can show the taxi driver.

I do not speak Chinese and hope that taxi drivers would understand English.

Thank you very much for your help.

Popp Master

P.S. Sorry, but I felt I had to reply as apparently nobody did it.

P.P.S. Taxi drivers in China DO NOT speak English.

Zhuren

08-27-07, 17:29

Gentlemen: The Beijing Hotel List needs updating! It's falling down in posts, ranging behind places such as Tianjin and "Others."

So please: Report the good, the bad, and the ugly. Your recommendation (one way or the other) will be added to the list, and your handle will be immortalized.

Popp Master

08-27-07, 20:26

... and look for those posts where Google map and map in chinese from their website are posted.

This is the most populat venue now in entire China and surely you don't want to miss it !

Thanks Albert. Is there a website of Maggie or Hollywood in Chinese Language ?

I know Maggie is some where close to the RItan park. Last time, the taxi driver took me to the park, and I asked him whether him knew where the Maggie bar is. He did not understand me at all and let me get out of the taxi.

In the end, I did not find the place and returned dispointedly back to my hotel.

Therefore, I need an exact address of the bar.

Popp Master

Joshyung

08-27-07, 20:47

Hey guys I'm new here and read a lot of the posts.

So I'm going to stay in the Intercontinental Beijing this weekend and I'll try to see how it is there. Only have no idea whats in the neighbourhood, but I'll just see and I'll try to give a report of the hotel and surroundings.

Hope I can contribute this way to the beijing forum.

Josh

Relativist

08-27-07, 21:58

Sex is not just a mechanical thing to me, I need to have some real feelings I guess. Never comes to my mind when my testosteron level is high though.Sex is never "a mechanical thing" for any man. If it were, it would probably not exist at all. Even if the girl is an indifferent sex worker the sharp rise of testosterone is always associated with a certain level of passion.

JustGotBack

08-28-07, 03:05

They said something about leaving soon, because Beijing wasn't a good spot for business. You can pm me for CP#.

Your PM is off. Can you PM their CP#?

Zhuren

08-28-07, 04:26

Therefore, I need an exact address of the bar.

Popp Master

For the umpteenth time:

http://www.maggiesbar.com/

Zhuren

08-28-07, 04:51

I was offered 2 shots with both girls for 1. 000 RMB, FS including backdoor access.

They said something about leaving soon, because Beijing wasn't a good spot for business.

Jeez, how can THAT business model fail in BJ?

Send them to Tokyo. They'd be raking it in.

Joshyung

08-28-07, 04:52

Sammy_T

08-28-07, 06:34

So I'm at the hotel now. Looks good and all.

But I got one question I'm an asian looking dude, so how can I see if the girl is a worker or a person that is offering girls.

Anyone has some advice about it?
To my knowledge there is not much action on that side of town. Working girls stand out by being dressed a little sexy. As a westerner they will attempt to make eye contact or smile at me to get my attention as well. I do not know if the same will be true for an asian guy.

Good luck.

Sammy

Albert Punter

08-28-07, 08:03

Maybe reason they don't make good business is they act mechanically. However, I believe that they should do good business with local people looking for some "exotic" experience.

I tried to PM you too, but this is message appearing:
"Waynegrow has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her."
As you may know PM function is obtainable by paying US$ 20 subsrciption (maybe you have done it and everything is in the process).

Anyhow, what catched my attention is that word HER at end of sentence.
I remember there was a debate some time ago about opportunity to openly accept women in this forum. I say openly as apparently some women already participate in some way.
By seeing that HER, shall we assume Jackson has officially opened to women ?

...
They said something about leaving soon, because Beijing wasn't a good spot for business. You can pm me for CP#.
...

Albert Punter

08-28-07, 08:05

Zhuren made it easy for you ...
Too easy.

Thanks Albert. Is there a website of Maggie or Hollywood in Chinese Language ?

I know Maggie is some where close to the RItan park. Last time, the taxi driver took me to the park, and I asked him whether him knew where the Maggie bar is. He did not understand me at all and let me get out of the taxi.

In the end, I did not find the place and returned dispointedly back to my hotel.

Therefore, I need an exact address of the bar.

Popp Master

SidTheSexist

08-28-07, 09:23

Anyhow, what catched my attention is that word HER at end of sentence.I remember there was a debate some time ago about opportunity to openly accept women in this forum. I say openly as apparently some women already participate in some way.By seeing that HER, shall we assume Jackson has officially opened to women ?Albert, if you read any of the other forums outside of China, you will soon come across such names as Rubber Nursery and Aey Annies. RN is a self confessed wroking girl from either Aus or NZ (I forget) and Aey is the manager of Annies Massage Parlour in Bangkok. RN has a hell of a lot more to say on most subjects than most others and Aey is rather more recent to the board and simply keeps us up to date with her MP. Personally, I have no time for RN although that is a longer and more boring story in itself, but Aey's contributions are harmless and in fact quite informative.
Sid

Joshyung

08-28-07, 10:24

To my knowledge there is not much action on that side of town. Working girls stand out by being dressed a little sexy. As a westerner they will attempt to make eye contact or smile at me to get my attention as well. I do not know if the same will be true for an asian guy.

Good luck.

SammyThanks a lot for the info, going to try out maggies then tonight lets see how this all works :)

Zhuren

08-28-07, 13:46

Albert, if you read any of the other forums outside of China, you will soon come across such names as Rubber Nursery and Aey Annies. RN is a self confessed wroking girl from either Aus or NZ (I forget) and Aey is the manager of Annies Massage Parlour in Bangkok. RN has a hell of a lot more to say on most subjects than most others and Aey is rather more recent to the board and simply keeps us up to date with her MP. Personally, I have no time for RN although that is a longer and more boring story in itself, but Aey's contributions are harmless and in fact quite informative.
Sid

What's wrong with accepting women to the forum, you shameless chauvinist oinkers?

And why do women need to be on the supply side as opposed to the demand side?

- In Japan, male company in male hostess bars, catering to women is all the rage.
- In China, "a duck" is not only what's eaten roasted in Beijing.
- In America, male strippers are old hat, see http://www.bachelorette.com or http://www.latinmen.com

And why is this in the Beijing section?

Zhuren

08-28-07, 13:54

Zhuren made it easy for you ...
Too easy.

In response to overwhelming demand, a group of senior members of the Beijing section has established a new series of offerings for people who are too pressed for time to do the tedious RTFF.

- For only $100, a full search of the forum and Google will be provided, delivering websites of your choice.

- For only $500, interested parties will be brought to the best venues, females will be selected, you will be brought to your hotel, and the dick will be inserted into the female. For a nominal surcharge, the female will provide all movement.

- For only $1000, there will be no need to even come to Beijing. Save the airfare, save the hotel cost, save the research. The female will be fornicated in your name, and a full report will be provided in your name on the forum.

Member #3421

08-28-07, 14:06

Thanks Albert. Is there a website of Maggie or Hollywood in Chinese Language ?

I know Maggie is some where close to the RItan park. Last time, the taxi driver took me to the park, and I asked him whether him knew where the Maggie bar is. He did not understand me at all and let me get out of the taxi.

In the end, I did not find the place and returned dispointedly back to my hotel.

Therefore, I need an exact address of the bar.

Popp Master

Find the St Regis hotel. Ask the doorman to call you a cab, tell him you want to go to Maggies. Or, leave the hotel, turn left, take the second right with lots of neon lights, and it's 150 yards down on the left side. It will say "Maggies" and has a round door. If you still aren't sure, try to buy a hotdog. If you succeed, you've found the place.

NBG

Member #3421

08-28-07, 14:26

So I'm at the hotel now. Looks good and all.

But I got one question I'm an asian looking dude, so how can I see if the girl is a worker or a person that is offering girls.

Anyone has some advice about it?

Walking down the street in the Lido area to meet Sammy and Taiwan Guy the other night three girls pass me. They turn, giggle, and say "you want a massage, baby?" Working girls. But I'm not asian.

NBG (sorry, I forgot to ask the price)

Albert Punter

08-28-07, 15:08

I know that in other country threads, but even in China threads some women (or supposed women) contribute.
Debate opened a few months ago in Shanghai thread.

On that occasion I stated
"By having women joining the forum, forum itself could be enriched by different experiences and different points of view. Our hobby could benefit of this fresh contributions."

Please refer to my post http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=601203&postcount=8785 and to other members' posts in those days.

What's wrong with accepting women to the forum, you shameless chauvinist oinkers?

And why do women need to be on the supply side as opposed to the demand side?

- In Japan, male company in male hostess bars, catering to women is all the rage.
- In China, "a duck" is not only what's eaten roasted in Beijing.
- In America, male strippers are old hat, see http://www.bachelorette.com or http://www.latinmen.com

And why is this in the Beijing section?

Nobody Doe

08-28-07, 17:40

Thanks Albert. Is there a website of Maggie or Hollywood in Chinese Language ?

I know Maggie is some where close to the RItan park. Last time, the taxi driver took me to the park, and I asked him whether him knew where the Maggie bar is. He did not understand me at all and let me get out of the taxi.

In the end, I did not find the place and returned dispointedly back to my hotel.

Therefore, I need an exact address of the bar.

Popp MasterFor Maggie's, you can go to http://www.maggiesbar.com/weizhi.htm to print out the map. There is Chinese on the map.

Cheers,

Taiwan Guy

Zhuren

08-28-07, 18:02

Based on excellent membership input (thank you, NBG) an updated hotel list has been posted in the Beijing Hotel section.

Also added: A link to Strategic Beijing Locations for Google Earth and Google Maps. (http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=EarthTravel&Number=986272) No more need to download a file! Just point & click. Your eye in the sky to Beijing's nightlife.

And if you ever need to ask again where Maggie's is: Tell your taxi driver to go to 39°54'43.44"N and 116°26'16.35"E

SidTheSexist

08-28-07, 18:06

What's wrong with accepting women to the forum, you shameless chauvinist oinkers?Apologies Zhuren, No flame intended but,,,,
Gentlemen, The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex. Let's get back to the subject. Thank You, Jackson I would say that's why women are not necessarily accepted on this forum.
Sid

Relativist

08-28-07, 19:19

What's wrong with accepting women to the forum, you shameless chauvinist oinkers?In principle there is nothing wrong with women exchanging views with men in Forums and moderated discussions. I do, however, feel it is unwise to accept women in this Forum. Women hardly ever appreciate a man's need for sexual variety over all women, especially if the man already has a girlfriend or is married (I should know!). In fact, they are hostile to it. This is all the more the case with Chinese girls. If they are accepted in this Forum tensions are bound to errupt.

And why do women need to be on the supply side as opposed to the demand side?

Because they simply choose not to be on "the demand side", a choice which a man does not have. A woman can virtually have sex with any man of her choice (unless she is probably over fifty)! She never has to demand sex because as her sexual freedom is unlimited so, for that matter, is "the supply" of men to her. Why demand what she can always have? The man, on the contrary, can only hope and... "pray"!...

Zhuren

08-28-07, 19:23

I must echo the sentiments expressed by OAH below - Maggies prices are UP.

Not really. When I arrived 3 years ago, the rack rate was 800 ... because that was a hundred bucks US. The Euro is getting much more traction here, and 100 Euro = 1000 RMB. So what's the big deal difference, 20 Euro? Come on, the maidens are worth it.

Relativist

08-28-07, 20:33

Bad Boy Billy

08-29-07, 03:06

Could someone please inform me about the location of any decent KTV club in Beijing. Although I do not speak Chinese I have ventured into three of them so far in the hope of purchasing the sexual services of pretty girls who are safe, both in terms of health and in terms of my legal status in China (are police raids in KTV clubs a reality?). It was a complete waste of my money, time and peace of mind. Pretty girls they are indeed but they hardly let me touch them, kept requesting that I offer them drinks and were far more interested in singing than in anything else. In one of them I also had to exert some pressure in order to force the "administration" resign its claims that I had spent more time with the girl than I actually had!

So you have been into 3 and are pissed off with what was on offer right?

Then why the fuck do you want to go to another one?

If you just want to fuck on-site - go to a massage centre.

If you want take out maybe try bars.

Bad Boy Billy

08-29-07, 03:08

Not really. When I arrived 3 years ago, the rack rate was 800 ... because that was a hundred bucks US. The Euro is getting much more traction here, and 100 Euro = 1000 RMB. So what's the big deal difference, 20 Euro? Come on, the maidens are worth it.

Yes mate they are CERTAINLY worth the extra 200RMB - I have no great problem with a rise of 800 to 1000.

But many of the real young cuties are asking 2000 - and I know are getting it - that is way up on what it was.

Mock A Bee

08-29-07, 03:19

Yes mate they are CERTAINLY worth the extra 200RMB - I have no great problem with a rise of 800 to 1000.

But many of the real young cuties are asking 2000 - and I know are getting it - that is way up on what it was.

Just because the valuation of the Euro goes up against the Dollar does not mean that you have to accept it.

After all, China is not Europe, and pricing is relative to pricing in China, not europe. Unless the Mongolian girls live in Europe now, pricing should remain relative to the RMB.

If we priced the girls relative to Mongolian rates, we would be paying much less - far less.

800rmb to 1,000rmb is a 25% increase in 3 years. That is much faster than the rate of inflation in China for consumer goods. After all, aren't WG's making themselves available for our consumption? :)

Demand seems to be unnecessarily out of whack relative to supply if you ask me. There are a hell of a lot of fresh Mongolian girls visiting Beijing, year after year.

IMHO, personally, I think it is the newcomers and short time visitors who don't know the system that spoil the girls for the rest of us who live here. If enough of them get 1,000rmb, then the other catch on and all of a sudden the market price goes up.

MAB

Bad Boy Billy

08-29-07, 04:01

Just because the valuation of the Euro goes up against the Dollar does not mean that you have to accept it.

After all, China is not Europe, and pricing is relative to pricing in China, not europe. Unless the Mongolian girls live in Europe now, pricing should remain relative to the RMB.

If we priced the girls relative to Mongolian rates, we would be paying much less - far less.

800rmb to 1,000rmb is a 25% increase in 3 years. That is much faster than the rate of inflation in China for consumer goods. After all, aren't WG's making themselves available for our consumption? :)

Demand seems to be unnecessarily out of whack relative to supply if you ask me. There are a hell of a lot of fresh Mongolian girls visiting Beijing, year after year.

IMHO, personally, I think it is the newcomers and short time visitors who don't know the system that spoil the girls for the rest of us who live here. If enough of them get 1,000rmb, then the other catch on and all of a sudden the market price goes up.

MAB

I agree 100%

BUT

I must consume to survive - if I offer 20 girls 800 and they ALL say NO - maybe I gotta pay 1000 for the one I WANT - or else my hand gets so tired each night.

Definition of Market Place - A location where buyers and sellers come together to AGREE on PRICE for exchange of goods and services.

My 800 - there 1000 - not quite AGREEMENT.

5 nights in Maggies b/w Aug 20 and 26 - 800, 1000, 800, 1000, 1000 - yes I prefer the 800 - BUT - so many clowns throwing around 2000, 1500, 1200 - and I am a quality shopper - I search long - I search hard - I USUALLY get what I WANT at PRICE I WANT to pay.

Ah don't you just love the cut and thrust of international currency dealing.

Meiguoguizi

08-29-07, 04:27

In the perfect world of Maggies, the 3am Tuesday Night marketplace should have no relationship to the Midnight Friday and Midnight Saturday Night markets, when hungry little brothers greatly outnumber greedy little sisters.

As dawn approaches on the Guanghua Lu commodity market, I've witnessed many a young professional woman wrestle with the complex valuation question, 800 RMB now or possibly nothing later? Like airline seats, empty hotel room beds profit no one.

Unfortunately, even lovely Northern Guest Workers are guilty of feelings of entitlement and self-esteem. Too often the younger ones share them with each other during the dawn taxi trip back to the communal bed.

One Wing Low

08-29-07, 05:37

My Chinese friends in SZ kept telling me Beijing has the most beautiful girls. These guys are real players, so I believe what they say.

Look forward to a visit to Beijing and Shanghai to check out the girls first hand, and of course to hang out with the fine brothers.

I agree 100%

5 nights in Maggies b/w Aug 20 and 26 - 800, 1000, 800, 1000, 1000 - yes I prefer the 800 - BUT - so many clowns throwing around 2000, 1500, 1200 - and I am a quality shopper - I search long - I search hard - I USUALLY get what I WANT at PRICE I WANT to pay.

Ah don't you just love the cut and thrust of international currency dealing.

Relativist

08-29-07, 09:01

So you have been into 3 and are pissed off with what was on offer right?

Then why the fuck do you want to go to another one?

If you just want to fuck on-site - go to a massage centre.

If you want take out maybe try bars.I thought I made it clear. I do not want to go to another one unless it is decent. I tried them three times because according to certain rumors and pictures which I have seen posted on the web there is some potential for action there.

The problem I have with massage centres is that I am not interested in massage. I am interested in sex. I accomplish very fast. It is a matter of a few seconds for me before I reach the climax and as far as I know I shall not be allowed to have sex with the girl again. I am not going to spend 1000RMB just to "fuck" for five seconds. Besides, I have already inquired in two massage centres and I was told that even sex is a matter of agreement between myself and the girl.

I have tried bars in my area about a hundred times and scored about five!

Albert Punter

08-29-07, 09:10

Yes, comparing to 3 years ago, in terms of EUR prices are going up about EUR 20.
However, this difference represents a 25% increase, which is quite steep (percentage wise obviously).

In terms of US$ they went up more than 35% due both to exchange rate fluctuations and to rate rise: about 130 today vs. 96 at that time !!!
So, maybe this is reason some US members are claiming about substantial price increase.

Anyhow, I fully agree with MAB that when we discuss prices, for everything not only for girls, we should consider local market conditions, and 25% increase in RMB terms in 3 years doesn't seem to be justified.

Not really. When I arrived 3 years ago, the rack rate was 800 ... because that was a hundred bucks US. The Euro is getting much more traction here, and 100 Euro = 1000 RMB. So what's the big deal difference, 20 Euro? Come on, the maidens are worth it.

Infomatic

08-29-07, 11:06

Albert,

I think that you have highly contributed to it. Haven’t you ever accepted to pay 1000RMB for a HJ in BJ?

Meiguoguizi

08-29-07, 13:36

Zhuren

08-29-07, 14:09

Yes mate they are CERTAINLY worth the extra 200RMB - I have no great problem with a rise of 800 to 1000.

But many of the real young cuties are asking 2000 - and I know are getting it - that is way up on what it was.

Very true. There is that Friday / Saturday crowd. Real lookers. Expensive.

However, 800-1000 RMB still is the norm. Also, expect to pay double (i.e. 1.5 - 2K) if you pick her up early for an all-nighter.

Zhuren

08-29-07, 15:13

Could someone please inform me about the location of any decent KTV club in Beijing. Although I do not speak Chinese I have ventured into three of them so far in the hope of purchasing the sexual services of pretty girls who are safe, both in terms of health and in terms of my legal status in China (are police raids in KTV clubs a reality?). It was a complete waste of my money, time and peace of mind. Pretty girls they are indeed but they hardly let me touch them, kept requesting that I offer them drinks and were far more interested in singing than in anything else. In one of them I also had to exert some pressure in order to force the "administration" resign its claims that I had spent more time with the girl than I actually had!

A KTV is not recommended for:

- A single guy
- Who doesn't speak Chinese
- And who can't tell a KTV where they sing from a KTV where they moan

It's a Chinese thing. If you aren't invited by a Chinese or someone who knows, and if you aren't with a group of guys, don't go.

Foreigners go to Maggie's
Locals go to KTV

Ragnarok42

08-29-07, 15:27

Went to Wangjing wanting to find #16 in Building 419 but something didn't feel right. Walked around, out, back and could not get myself to go in. So decided to try the building next door ( I believe its #427). Followed the cheesy Xmas lights to the massage place. Asked if there was "tebie fuwu" and the answer was yes for 300.

Was shown two girls and chose the happier looking one. Was maybe a 6 or 7 in the looks department, but hey she was the best looking of the lot. Then the Mamasan suggested we "go upstairs" since its not especially safe right now. So all three of us walked to another building and actually entered the apt she is renting on the 24th Fl.

Was nervous initially thinking some Chinese punks were going to jump out and threaten me for money, yadah yadah yadah ( all too familiar with the scams they pull here). But quickly settled down to business.

The apt was nice and clean but the sex was pretty machine like. No BJ and no cowgirl. Girl was responsive but not a screamer (the Mamasan stayed in the next room to make sure "we were safe") and finished her off doggy style. Wanted me to give her an extra 100 for all the hair tugging I did but I just laughed in her face and she dropped it.

So might go back, they had some decent looking girls and the apt. screwing is a nice touch to doing it in a musky, dank basement. Can't imagine paying 2000 for a girl now, these girls are being spoiled by all these guys who will pay any price. Spoiling it for the rest of us.

Zhuren

08-29-07, 15:57

Ok, now that a host of new guys with writing skills have been exposed to Maggies, let's rate the maidens.

I get the ball rolling:

For the best English and subtle elegance at Maggies, prime GFE material:

(little) Sarah and Amara

(Sarah also has credible domination skills, so I have heard)

For the biggest juggs and the most enthusisam at Maggies:

Doogie (also has a submissive sterak, tread carefully, she's strong)

For girlie-experience:

Nara (Doogie's sidekick, just the opposite of her)

For tall beauty:

(Tall) Sarah

Sammon

08-29-07, 16:20

I disagree that KTV is only for Chinese speaking Person.
I have gone to Many KTV and enjoyed the company as well as picking for LT.
I do not speak good Chinese.
When you go to KTV observe some rules,
1. Be prepared to spend more money than usual.
2. Be firm in your dealings. Say no to all the girls who wants to freeload on your liquor and food.
3. Tell the Mamasan to bring in girls in batches so that you can pick your girl.
4. All girls in Ktv can sing , so do not worry.
5. Try to feel the girl and see if she is friendly, If not tell the mamasan to bring other girls. They will say each girl will cost
6. Tell the mamasan you require LT company as well .
7. She will bring only the girls who will go LT with you.
8. Not all the girls who work in KTV go with customers. Many just act as companions. It is just a job for them.
9. Sometimes you can discretely ask the girl for her phone number so that you can call her after her working hours usually after 2 am.
10. Ktv girls tend to be younger and pretty because they are frequented by Japanese who like young girls.

Relativist

08-29-07, 18:08

A KTV is not recommended for:

- A single guy
- Who doesn't speak Chinese
- And who can't tell a KTV where they sing from a KTV where they moan

It's a Chinese thing. If you aren't invited by a Chinese or someone who knows, and if you aren't with a group of guys, don't go.

Foreigners go to Maggie's

Locals go to KTVThank you for the advice. Still, why is a KTV not recommended for a single foreign guy but Maggie's Bar is? Is it because they speak English at Maggie's? Does that make the girls and the management there any more honest than those in the KTV clubs? I have never been to that Maggie's but from what I have seen in this Forum the girls there are outrageously expensive (at least 1000RMB). I know by experience that at that price range the quality of sex service is inversely proportional to the price itself. One pays mostly for the girl's sexual merit but not for the quality of the girl's sex service itself. May I trouble you with a request for some more information as to what the girls in that Maggie's offer for their price? For example, if 1000RMB buys her permission to have sex with her only once then she is not worth that money.

Intransit

08-30-07, 01:09

Member #3421

08-30-07, 01:25

Just FYI, although Intransit remains firmly on the wagon, he recently had a house guest who availed himself of the goods at Maggie's, choosing Anna from Kazakhstan. Anna's very sexy, at least from the neck down. So sexy, in fact, that Intransit was somewhat tempted to nail her right there in his own apartment after his friend had finished with her. However, he resisted the urge. One note on Anna--apparently her boobs are cosmetic, although the surgeon seems to have done a good job, according to Intransit's friend. He did not say what he paid although I can find out.

I talked with Anna the other night at Maggies and I agree with this assessment. Cosmetic (hard to tell quality without closer inspection), and very sexy, at least from the neck down. I was very tempted, but had a prior engagement I was trying to nail down. She does smoke like a chimney.

NBG

Sammy_T

08-30-07, 02:47

"China's ruling Communist party will hold a major congress beginning Oct. 15, state television reported Tuesday, a twice-a-decade event at which President Hu Jintao will see his tenure as party leader renewed."

Usually lasts one week to ten days. Anyone remember the impact of the last meeting on our favorite pastime? Time for a trip to Ulaanbaatar?
Yes, during the peoples congress meeting the authorities attempt to clean up the city. Many of the girls choose to visit their home towns during this period. This leads to lower quality selection in addition to lower supply. Low supply with high demand will drive prices up at least in the short term.

Maggie's will still be business as usual, with girls showing up a little eariler as they will forgo visiting other bars during this period of high security.

Sammy

Soujourn

08-30-07, 03:38

Mock A Bee

08-30-07, 04:29

I think you guys are approaching this all wrong --- I've been going to St Ms more than 6yrs and have never paid more than 600. As many of you know, the girls live in pretty despicable places usually run by their 'guarantors' . Of course there are some exceptions - and you just need to know these - as it will indicate to you how to proceed.

Rapport is the big thing in getting a great M session. If you can strike some good rapport with the girl, then you are likely to be seen as a little more than a wallet with a dick. It's also worth about a 30% discount off their typical asking price.

BFE. Provide a little BFE as in bring some small gift(s) from wherever you are from, say you miss them, yada yada. I have a ton of things I say an do, and quite honestly won't share them here - but most of you will get it. BFE is worth another 25% -50% discount.

Timing. Of course if you ask them straight on to come back to your hotel at 7pm and stay LT you are cutting seriously deep into their economics. So - you should never take an LT before 3am. Especially if its your first time with the girl and you dont have any rapport or BFE points. LT before 3am is basically a 50% increase in price.

Repeats. Most of these girls really ARE looking for stable, repeat dates. In fact, they would love to have you as a BF if they could. Even a shared BF is better than most of the crap they have at home. Repeat is worth a 10% - 25% discount. Repeat w/BFE and you are damn close to freebie.

Location. As I mentioned above, they stay in pretty shoddy places. So if you can offer something nice instead of just wham wham bye bye -- they will greatly appreciate it. I'll give out a small tip. Fill up your tub 3/4 way so when you return you can draw a nice bath (preferrably with good bath salts/bubbles) in about 15min. Then encourage your girl to enjoy and pamper herself a bit. This alone is worth at least a 20% discount. Now , for the girls that have decent places and are solid in the game, this may not get you much discount, but I guarantee your ROI will improve greatly.

Lastly, if you see a brother heading down the 2000 path - please do us all a favor and clue him in.

My 2 quai.

Basically, Soujourn is treating this as a much more sophisticated negotiation. A consultative sale versus a product sale if you will.

A product sale treats the situation as if the goods for sale are just a commodity and the lowest price is haggled over, and numbers are thrown back and forth. This is typical of places like the Silk Market, and is a very inefficient way to negotiate. Both parties feel they left a lot on the table.

A consultative sale takes into account the fact there are other interests both parties have in the negotiation, such as the Mongolian pining for a BFE, comfortable apartment for the night and a hot bath, and likewise the "john" who wants a GFE and good service, multiple pops, etc. If the sale is stripped of these other components and they are not brought to the table, then the negotiation reverts to a product sale where everything is a commodity. There is give and take, and when it comes down to it, money becomes less of an issue in the negotiations.

If the customer is just another customer who wants to have sex for as little as possible, and the Mongolian wants another customer for as much money as possible, and get it done with as quickly as possible to find another customer, then you get commodity pricing.

Also, if the girl doesn't really like you, she will use a high quote to get rid of you. Or effectively she is asking for a premium for the hassle of spreading her legs for you, instead of for someone else who can offer her "extras" as noted above by Soujourn.

MAB

Sammy_T

08-30-07, 04:32

Rapport is the big thing in getting a great M session. If you can strike some good rapport with the girl, then you are likely to be seen as a little more than a wallet with a dick.
Soujourn -

Fantastic post! By following all of your suggests I expect to save up to 175%! Next time a girl asks me for 1000 RMB I will turn on the charm and expect her to give me 250 quai in the morning :)

All joking asisde, no one has stated so clearly how much rapport can impact the price. The advantage of being a frequent visitor to Maggie's is the ability to build up this rapport over a long period of time, but this does not mean short timers should ignore this advise. Go to Maggie's around 11 pm on a weeknight. Buy a drink or 2 for various girls. Talk to them like you would a "normal" girl. Flirt with THEM a little (instead of expecting them to only flirt with you). Get their phone numbers, but do not take anyone too soon. Watch the dynamics of the bar. Around 2 am you will see who is still there. Now make your play for LT.

Yes, I know, it is a long night. I suggest you get it out of the way the night you arrive. You will be awake do to jet lag, and you should have arraigned your trip so that your first day is for "resting", with your real work begining 2 days after your arrival. The key is that if you make 1 trip to Maggie's to collect enough numbers to carry you through the rest of your visit. By flirting with the girls and buying them drinks they will have a vauge memory of you when you send them a text message latter. Something as simple as "this is sammy from Canada, i bought you a gin and tonic the other night at maggies. Are you available to see me around 7 pm?" or 4 pm, or 10 pm. Time does not matter, as Soujourn states they would much rather have a session booked with someone they "know" then have to sit around all night waiting for a stranger to pick them up.

Something else I have been meaning to post, but keep forgetting - often times I take Mongonlian girls out to eat, or we order room service. I simply give them the menu and tell them they can order whatever they like, but I have found that a lot of the new girls simply canot read English. If the menu has pictures they might be able to find something, but if not they are stuck. If you see your girl looking confused at the menu go ahead and suggest something for her. Mongolian girls like meat, so order her a hamburger or steak. Have them cook it well done and she will love it.

Sammy

Zhuren

08-30-07, 04:42

Yes, during the peoples congress meeting the authorities attempt to clean up the city. Many of the girls choose to visit their home towns during this period. This leads to lower quality selection in addition to lower supply. Low supply with high demand will drive prices up at least in the short term.

Maggie's will still be business as usual, with girls showing up a little eariler as they will forgo visiting other bars during this period of high security.

Sammy

Actually, they will clean up the city BEFORE the event, and the clean period will last until the end. May I remind the gentlemen that in the first week of Oct. is Moon Festival, so the city will be pretty dead as it is.

Time to do some traveling!

Member #3421

08-30-07, 07:48

Something else I have been meaning to post, but keep forgetting - often times I take Mongonlian girls out to eat, or we order room service. I simply give them the menu and tell them they can order whatever they like, but I have found that a lot of the new girls simply canot read English. If the menu has pictures they might be able to find something, but if not they are stuck. If you see your girl looking confused at the menu go ahead and suggest something for her. Mongolian girls like meat, so order her a hamburger or steak. Have them cook it well done and she will love it.
Sammy

I'm sure I've overpayed a bit here on a few occassions. I did better with the Russians because no negotiation is required. My LTs with Chinese/Mongolians were perhaps on the high side, but as noted in various discussions, you have to pay a bit more when you start on the early side. I'm not a big fan of arriving at the hotel at 3 AM, so I'm not in competition with you blokes for the late-night LT bargain.

I let a girl sleep in an extra 2 hours the other day while I did some work, and then ordered up some food. She looked shocked. She texted me a few days later to see if I was free, but sadly I was booked up with work. I enjoyed the previous posts on the BF perspective, thank you guys.

Gents, I'm heading out of town soon but will return in a week. Hold down the fort at Maggies for me, although I may still make it tomorrow night (Friday).

NBG

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 07:50

Headed to Hollywood last night in search of the "Movie Star" but alas she was not there.

There is another ABSOLUTE STUNNER amongst the Moscow Gang at far end of bar - young, tall, slim, long snow white blondehair , gorgeous titts and tan - but wants 100% Chinese guys - will not even give Billy the time of day.

She is a friend of the brunette that both NBG and Billy porked last week - go figure - 1 member of the Moscow Gang cannot get enough westerners wheras her friend wants none - women - strange breed of cattle aren't they.

But I digress - I spotted 21yo Oksana from Moscow - tall, very pretty face, mousy brown hair, huge brisket, body a tad thicker than I would normally take but lovely bubbly personality - never stopped smiling.

First question how much - 800 - kissing - you want - yes I want - ok - lets go - total negotiation time 30 seconds.

Like all take out from Hollywood it is an absolute 'lucky dip' - close your eyes and hope for the best.

Very little english - I think definitely partimer as she said only second time in Hollywood and was mumbling something about her bosses birthday that night - no idea what she was saying.

Back in room - surprise surprise - total GFE. shower together, DFK, BBBJ as long as I wanted, extended fuck session in as many positions as I want - WHAT A SURPRISE FROM HOLLYWOOD.

In total she was in my room 1hr 20mins - I finished the session as it was already after 12 and I wanted to get to Maggies.

Conclusion: Hollywood never ceases to amaze - you can get a totally cold mechanical session right through to total GFE - talk about luck of the draw.

Footnote: I was chatting to another Australian guy I met in Hollywood for first time - he spotted a good looker amongst the Moscow Gang - tried talking to her - within 5 mins mamasan Galina came over and told him to either take her or stop talking to her - too many Chinese guys to be attended to - UFB.

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 07:53

Copped a dud in Maggies last night.

Got so many knock backs for my 1000 - maybe a dozen os so girls tell me never go with guy for 1000 all night - obviously some of you guys are way better negotiators than Billy or you set your sites way lower - whatever.

This s.l.u.t agreed to 1000 all night - after 30 mins of fucking she is complaining I will not finish quickly - fuck you - dropped a load in her and booted her out - gave her 500.

Such a far cry from the gems I found last week - shit happens huh.

Back again tonight if any of you guys around.

Albert Punter

08-30-07, 08:56

... but as I am a polite guy, here is my reply.

I never accepted to pay RMB 1000 for HJ in BJ.

Albert,

I think that you have highly contributed to it. Haven’t you ever accepted to pay 1000RMB for a HJ in BJ?

Albert Punter

08-30-07, 08:59

Doesn't this apply only when you come from North America ?

...
I suggest you get it out of the way the night you arrive. You will be awake do to jet lag ...

Zhuren

08-30-07, 09:17

Your batting average with the Soviet Sisters seems to be better than with the Mongolian Maidens ...

1000 LT is doable only at 3am when she's plastered and desperate.

Copped a dud in Maggies last night.

Got so many knock backs for my 1000 - maybe a dozen os so girls tell me never go with guy for 1000 all night - obviously some of you guys are way better negotiators than Billy or you set your sites way lower - whatever.

This s.l.u.t agreed to 1000 all night - after 30 mins of fucking she is complaining I will not finish quickly - fuck you - dropped a load in her and booted her out - gave her 500.

Such a far cry from the gems I found last week - shit happens huh.

Back again tonight if any of you guys around.

Misakimao

08-30-07, 09:41

I usually stayed in Xiyuan Hotel which is located at western part of 2nd ring.

The hotel is very girl friendly, they turn off light of lobby about 11-12 PM.

They do not check any girls.

In western part, I can not find single-foreigner friendly place.

There are a number of BBSs and KTVs near the hotel but I want place like Maggies, Pig, Passion. ( even though I like the places metioned, it took too much time)

Do you recommend a bar in western part?

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 10:53

Zhuren my mate I totally disagree.

I usually try to 'stalk' the fresh ones - first trip to Beijing is perfect for me.

See my figures in earlier post - 5 nights ave of RMB920 all night - 4 GREAT PROVIDERS - 1 that did not live up to expectations - but was ok.

And some of these were at 12, 12.30, 1am even - 2 later on.

Last night was a disaster - no big deal - discount payment to REASONABLE level and boot her out.

As to Hollywood - yes I am under no false illusions here - 3 take outs and 3 SPECTACULAR performers - that is almost unheard of.

OK back to Maggies tonight - we soldier on - another frontier to conquer tonight.

But tonight will be short time - so one of the gems might cop 1000 from Billy tonight for an hour or so - as much as it KILLS me to do it - but we will play it by ear.

Will you be about tonight Zhuren? Sammy might be in Maggies - NBG might be there after 11 or so - maybe we can hook up.

Zhuren

08-30-07, 12:10

Well, BBB, you look much more handsome than me ... that and your Crocodile Dundee charm ...

Zhuren my mate I totally disagree.

I usually try to 'stalk' the fresh ones - first trip to Beijing is perfect for me.

See my figures in earlier post - 5 nights ave of RMB920 all night - 4 GREAT PROVIDERS - 1 that did not live up to expectations - but was ok.

And some of these were at 12, 12.30, 1am even - 2 later on.

Last night was a disaster - no big deal - discount payment to REASONABLE level and boot her out.

As to Hollywood - yes I am under no false illusions here - 3 take outs and 3 SPECTACULAR performers - that is almost unheard of.

OK back to Maggies tonight - we soldier on - another frontier to conquer tonight.

But tonight will be short time - so one of the gems might cop 1000 from Billy tonight for an hour or so - as much as it KILLS me to do it - but we will play it by ear.

Will you be about tonight Zhuren? Sammy might be in Maggies - NBG might be there after 11 or so - maybe we can hook up.

Zhuren

08-30-07, 12:10

I talked with Anna the other night at Maggies and I agree with this assessment. Cosmetic (hard to tell quality without closer inspection), and very sexy, at least from the neck down. I was very tempted, but had a prior engagement I was trying to nail down. She does smoke like a chimney.

NBG

Her BJ is exquisite ....

Zhuren

08-30-07, 12:18

Will you be about tonight Zhuren? Sammy might be in Maggies - NBG might be there after 11 or so - maybe we can hook up.

Send me a msg. I live 10 mins away.

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 12:51

Her BJ is exquisite ....

Well for fucks sake will somebody please point her out tonight.

I just got through with a petite Mongolian girl who gives a blow job to die for - 600RMB 2 hours 2 fucks 2 extended blow jobs.

Got her number at Maggies first night I was there - a friend from Australia had her once before and raved about her - I can see why now.

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 16:37

OAH - where are you mate?

You still alive after Beijing visit?

Just spent an hour in Hollywood with Sammy.

Your old giorlfriend - Miss Poland 1952 - remember her?

Well she was looking for you - she asked Sammy and I where was that strapping 'adonis' type who was with me in Hollywood last week.

I told her you will NEVER FORGET HER - I hope that was that OK?

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 16:41

I'm sure I've overpayed a bit here on a few occassions. I did better with the Russians because no negotiation is required. My LTs with Chinese/Mongolians were perhaps on the high side, but as noted in various discussions, you have to pay a bit more when you start on the early side. I'm not a big fan of arriving at the hotel at 3 AM, so I'm not in competition with you blokes for the late-night LT bargain.

I let a girl sleep in an extra 2 hours the other day while I did some work, and then ordered up some food. She looked shocked. She texted me a few days later to see if I was free, but sadly I was booked up with work. I enjoyed the previous posts on the BF perspective, thank you guys.

Gents, I'm heading out of town soon but will return in a week. Hold down the fort at Maggies for me, although I may still make it tomorrow night (Friday).

NBG

You are heading out of town for a week?

Thank fucking god for that.

Like you are a half decent guy - but your propensity to 'hog' all the good lookers was really getting a few of us down.

For instance - the 'Movie Star' - I found her - I let you borrow her - now she drops me like a hot spud.

Crazy FUCK Inga from Maggies - I found her - I recomended her to you - now she does not answer my calls.

Sophie from Lido - I introduce her to you - voila - from there on Billy is invisible to her.

Fair go mate - now you are gone WE might get a look in.

Just kidding mate - sarcastic Australian humour - you are a pleasure to spend time with.

Bad Boy Billy

08-30-07, 16:46

Nobody Doe

08-30-07, 20:04

Hit Hollywood again tonight - met Sammy and a couple of his friends for a drink or 2.

Grabbed 22yo Nemara from Uzbekistan - introduced her to Sammy - tall, brunette, great titts, overall GREAT YOUNG HARD BODY.

RMB800 for 1 shot - again shower together, DFK and BBBJ from Hollywood - has been very rare indeed in the past.

Another 10 in performance.

At this rate Hollywood is gonna become Billy's Beijing HQ - the 4 I have taken from there this visit have been SUPERIOR to the Maggies girls - and WAY BETTER in looks.Hi Billy,

It's a pity that I wasn't able to meet you tonight. I didn't know you have met with Sammy at the Hollywood. By the time Zhuren texted me that he and Sammy were heading to the Maggie's, then when I arrived there, your trace was already gone. NBG knows my cellular phone number, so you can get my number from him. Thank you very much for all your help and please feel free to call me when you arrive in Beijing some other time, as I am living here (if my wife is back I will lock the SIM card to my office, so don't worry to alert my wife.

Re: your comments of Hollywood. I also met some Chinese working girls at the Hollywood and had one WG's number. They also look very young and cute, but they don't seem to speak English (I spoke to them in English and they told me to speak in Chinese.) I guess I am not belonged to the Maggie's. I misunderstood Sammy and Zhuren's suggestions to file complaints of the girls (I thought they encouraged me to complain, but actually what they meant was complaining was the last resort), and these complaints really got backfired to me badly. My taste of girls also doesn't seem to match the Mongolian girls at the Maggie's (yes they have tits and I love tits, but most Mongolian girls there with tits are not slim.) I also recall Sammy wrote that the management of the Maggie's also have an impression that Chinese guys are troublemakers. Perhaps the Maggie's is for the western guys, not for the Chinese guys (including Taiwan guys.) So if you plan to go to Hollywood some other time, please invite me in!

And I really start to missing the good old days that I was having fun in Southern China (Zhuhai, Dongguan, etc.) in 2000. 2001. There were so many girls selection in the KTV there, and the rate was much lower than in Beijing (500 for ST and 800 for LT.) I heard the rate was still around the same now.

Taiwan Guy

Nobody Doe

08-30-07, 20:45

I was visiting the Passions on last Sunday late night. I was intended to visit there late on Sunday night to see if I can get a lower rate. My plan was actually to visit Diamond Age, but when I arrived there at 1:30AM, it's already closed. Then I was thinking whether I shall head to Sunshine Club or the Passions, then somehow I decided to the Passions (partly because I kind of forget which floor Sunshine Club is located at Wanfujin Hotel.)

When I arrived in the Passions it's 1:45AM. I made a mistake first: I went to the restroom of the Passions, instead of the restroom of the Sheraton Hotel. I was kind of being forced to pay the 50RMB tips to the waiter inside the restroom. Consider that's my ticket price of the Passions then, although I didn't really pay the ticket, probably because it's going to be closed in 15 min. at 2AM.

I've been to the old Passions in 2001, and I still remember the beautiful girls asking for thousands of RMB for LT (then I was scared away.) This time the new Passions is very different. As some other reports described, the new Passions bar is much smaller than the old Passions. When I arrived in the new Passions bar area, did a scan, and found there were very few selections (of course, just 15 min. to be closed), and some girls were already sitting with some other customers. Only two girls were actually available to take out. There was a 3rd girl offering me her phone number, then she's gone to accompany another customer (and one of the two girls lied me she's not going out with customers, but actually the other girl is more close to her told me otherwise.) I turned down a girl with darker skin (but I guess she's younger), and opt for a taller girl with bigger tits and lighter skin. Her "Passions" name is Wang Rong. As one senior member wrote in his report, it would take a great deal of negotiation, even at Sunday night and 10 min. to be closed. Since I am the only available customer, the two girls both agree 2500RMB overnight. I guess it may be possible to get lower, but when I was offering 2000RMB overnight at the beginner, the darker girls were yelling "what? 2000RMB?" (in Chinese.) I shall insist 2000 RMB a little bit longer to see what they will response, instead of raising to 2500RMB too soon.

Rong actually lied me about her age. She's born in 1977, one year ahead of mine, but she said she's 24 (yeah, she's 24 when I first visited the old Passions in 2001.) But her personality turned out to be nice. I did one thing stupid to gain her trust too: when I said I need to withdraw month from ATM, she's depositing her money to her account at ATM too, and she requested me to give her the 2500RMB so she can deposit to ATM, and a stupid guy like me agreed! Later she said she can trust me because of it, and I was not concerned she might get away after I paid the money, so she thought I am a very nice guy (yes I am a nice stupid guy.) She told me she was carrying more than 100,000RMB at that night, so she was worrying about if she went out with some average customer, her money might get stolen. And when she saw me in the Passions, she also had a feeling that I am a honest guy.

So she stayed with me into the next late afternoon, more than 12 hours. We actually only did twice, and then we were chatting, having lunch, and walking on the street in the afternoon. She's having a Dopod / HTC Microsoft PocketPC phone but never figured how to use it, so I tought her a few tricks. She's very appreciated and said she wanted to learn more of the computers, Internet, and English from me. She "implied" I would get free if I teach her these. I didn't really expect she can offer me free stuffs, but I might be lucky? :)

Then last night, I felt bored so I called her. She's having period so no customers (she kind of pushed away a customer, and she said even in period, there are some scum to get some money from the rich customers. So guys be aware of the scum! I will learn more details from her and post to the forum, so we won't fall into the scum.) She didn't allow me to touch her, as her excuses were "she's having period; her feeling was not good due to loss of a customer;etc." So she stayed overnight with me until late afternoon again w/o any actions.

She said she wanted to visit me again on Friday night / Saturday to hang out with me. Let's see if she will offer any "free" service to exchange my computer / English lesions after her period.

She also said she could introduce some other younger beautiful girls with "lower" rate from some other clubs, if I want. I didn't ask specific how much "lower" it would be.

Her "service" was actually not that good. Only a very brief BJ. And she requested me to do oral sex for her, and she was fingering herself while I did the oral sex to make her cum. I wonder if it's she serve me or I serve her.

I asked her if there are really girls with many different "costumes" such as nurse, office lady, etc. And she said yes, with 5000RMB LT (well, 5000RMB is the "standard rate" of the Passions, so maybe it's not that high rate?) While I did read a Taiwan guy spent 5000RMB with such kind of girl and had a great time, I guess 5000RMB is also negotiable. After all I negotiated from 5000RMB to 2500RMB LT, but perhaps these kinds of more fancy girls will be picked up pretty early w/o having a chance for me to come in at 1:50AM to negotiate.

Cheers,

Taiwan Guy

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Misakimao

08-31-07, 02:24

I have been to that luxurious gril shopping center more than 10 times since reopen.

At the start of (till last year november or october), there were lots of good choices.

Now, the number of ladies standing in bar is greatly reduced, I felt that the owner want rich client to visit Tianshangrenjian KTV and spend extra 5000RMB for him. (So good ones are locked in upstairs. that is too bad.)

Some WGs working there are rich.

Having BMW and several apartments in rich area.

Meiguoguizi

08-31-07, 03:43

A Beijing working girl with 100,000 RMB in her treasury, gets a Taiwanese invader to pay 2500 RMB in reparations then forces him to DATY while she plays with her motherland equipment.

As an American, perhaps it’s my obligation to intervene militarily to protect his allegorical interests! Does she have a military uniform costume?

WayneGrow

08-31-07, 05:54

Meanwhile I have a quite extensive list of places where the best you can have are mediocre experiences.

All I am looking for is a pleasant looking tall girl, that takes incalls and lives in Chaoyang. And that delivers a decent service.

SOHO new town was mentioned before as a viable option for incall, but so far I have only seen medical massage centers there that obviously do not offer anything else than a relaxing massage.

Would highly appreciate any information.

Zhuren

08-31-07, 11:08

Folks, and Misakimao in particular: May I remind you that this is China. ISG has enjoyed open access here.

But certain topics are better avoided.

If ISG will be firewalled just because of one moron having diarrhea of the mouth, then we'll track the offender down for some re-education.

Case closed. No further discussion desired.

Relativist

08-31-07, 12:11

...and she requested me to give her the 2500RMB so she can deposit to ATM, and a stupid guy like me agreed!

Her "service" was actually not that good. Only a very brief BJ. And she requested me to do oral sex for her, and she was fingering herself while I did the oral sex to make her cum. I wonder if it's she serve me or I serve her.Why are you doing that to yourself mate? This is no longer an issue of money. This is an issue of self esteem! Such conduct as you describe here is humiliating to a man. Why would you not invest all that time trying to make eye contact and flirt with a decent girl in a caffeteria or in a night club, instead? However small the chances of success may be it is an enormously better investment of your time. After all, I hope we all agree that - in terms of sexual passion - even the most gorgeous sex worker does not at all compare to even the most mediocre girl!

(...not that the female you described is a sex worker. She is just a s.l.u.t.!).

V Max

08-31-07, 19:25

Hi guys,

I have been following the forum for a while now looking forward to my first time in Beijing, you never stop to amaze me with skills :)

Well, I got here last Sunday, had a pretty busy week and was too tired of jetlag to try anything fancy in the evenings, but the weekend has arrived finally and I'm ready for action :)

Had my first WG experience tonite, grabbed a girl from the street and took her to my hotel. She was a 7 with her clothes on, turned out a bit less when she undressed. Her English was nonexistant and wasn't very smart so I had a hard time making her do anything, but at the end had a quick FS and kicked her out - the performance was lousy. So at 500 RMB for an hour and from what I've read in the forum not a good start :)

I'm staying at the Novotel Peace Hotel until the end of the next week, I'd love to take part in anything you guys organise. I'll be checking the forum regularly, even if nothing happens your reports are such a fun to read :)

See ya soon

FrequentTravel

08-31-07, 23:40

Why are you doing that to yourself mate? This is no longer an issue of money. This is an issue of self esteem! Such conduct as you describe here is humiliating to a man. Why would you not invest all that time trying to make eye contact and flirt with a decent girl in a caffeteria or in a night club, instead? However small the chances of success may be it is an enormously better investment of your time. After all, I hope we all agree that - in terms of sexual passion - even the most gorgeous sex worker does not at all compare to even the most mediocre girl!

(...not that the female you described is a sex worker. She is just a s.l.u.t.!).Sorry mate, I disagree on certain points:

1. The money issue: I totally agree with the point of another member I read in this forum (Don't have his name right now): I pay them to leave, not for the game. I have been a lot in China during the last 4 years, and Beijing is the only place I am on a more or less regular schedule, Normally 2-3 month here and there. If you pick up a normal girl things can become quite difficult, especially if you decide to pick up another one after being one or two weeks with the first one. So picking them up might be more or less easy, but getting rid of them if you want might become very difficult.

2. You can't be serious about humiliation. Luckily we all are different. Even the idea of a hot girl spreading her legs, me giving her DATY and she playing with herself to make herself come makes me wish being in China at the moment and meet this girl. (As long as after her orgasm she does not turn around and sleeps, but this is normally male behaviour). Actually most of the WGs I had (even in China) tried to avoid coming. Which normally is my challenge, because nothing (almost nothing) turns me on more than seeing a girl "mourir la petite mort". If TG or anyone else does not like DATY just say it to the girl. Actually about half of the time I needed to overcome a certain resitance until they really spread their legs wide. Just the thought (SW or not) of her saying "Lick my pussy". Anyhow, i'm getting carried away.

3. And on your final sentence I also disagree, before I spend time/money (which is more or less equal to me) on a mediocre girl which might be a score, might be not, might be start bitching when it comes to the game, might be unexperienced, I for myself prefer 100%, maybe not the most gorgeous SW, but one of the gorgeous SW. Regarding sexual passion, it has been said so many times here: Treat them like you would treat your one and only love you where finally able to fuck and you will be paid back two or three times. Especially for a guy like me who gets aroused by the girls excitement.

Little bit offtopic regarding Beijing scene, so to keep on topic: The street working scene between China World Trade Center and Silk Market is still alive. Just walk around there alone around 9pm and keep your heads up and eyes open, you surely will be approached.

BTW, does anyone knows what happened to Browns? Seems to be closed.

Take care

FT

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Lao Ma

09-01-07, 00:00

Zhuren

09-01-07, 02:35

After all, I hope we all agree that - in terms of sexual passion - even the most gorgeous sex worker does not at all compare to even the most mediocre girl!

(...not that the female you described is a sex worker. She is just a s.l.u.t.!).

No, we don't agree on that, and the comments of Lao Ma and Frequent Travel are testament.

I hate guys who treat WGs like dirt - because that ruins our sport. Give and ye shall receive. Treat like dirt and ye shall be treated like dirt. Treat the girls friendly and with respect, and most of the times, you will be treated likewise. If you are taken advantage of, then most of the times it's the fault of previous customers, who treated the girls like shit and who deserve to be treated likewise.

Apart from that, humans are humans. There are nice people. And there are assholes. Male and female.

But to generalize and to say that the most mediocre girl is somehow better than a nice WG is just outrageous. People with that attitude deserve to be treated badly, they derserve to get married to a jealous mediocre b.i.t.c.h., they deserve a very expensive divorce. And because there IS justice, this is usually how it works out. Serves them right.

OTOH, I personally know several "Pretty Woman" type cases where guys fell in love with a gorgeous WG, married, had kids, and lead a happy and sexually fulfilling life.

I personally see a WG at the minimum as a type of nurse that takes care of an ailment of certain organs. Come cheaper than shrinks or divorce attorneys. There are good nurses and bad nurses. Generalizations and stereotyping is never a good thing. (Although it's - as the last sentence shows - not always easy to avoid.)

As for s.l.u.t.s., I recommend them. I love girls with a high sex drive. But it needs a real man to satisfy it.

Relativist

09-01-07, 02:50

this forum is not the place for moral preaching or high-grounding. What is humiliating to you may not be humiliating to others. You have no right whatsoever to address another monger's "self esteem" in public.

cripes.

Your suggestion that we all agree that even the hottest sex worker has less sexual passion than even a "mediocre" girl is laughable. If I had enough sexual passion from my girlfriends, then I wouldn't be a monger.

You seem to be extrapolating your views of the whole nature of mongering onto everyone else. That's just whacked out. Everyone here is different.You have completely misunderstood my comment. I did not address Taiwan Guy's self esteem in any respect, nor could I have ever done that to anyone as it contradicts my own principles. All I stated is that "such conduct as he describes is humiliating to a man". The conduct, of course, is that of the female for whom Taiwan Guy expressed disillusionment publicly, not the conduct of Taiwan Guy himself. Her attitude was offensive to him and he declared that in more ways than one - which I am not going to quote again since they are readily available. I did not, in any respect, state that that gentleman has no self esteem and that he humiliated himself. In addition, that her offensive attitude is humiliating to a man is my personal opinion which I have every right to express because, in being publicly self-critical, Taiwan Guy has potentially invited everyone's opinion on this matter. With my opening question "Why are you doing that to yourself?" I was obviously asking why it is that he persists in dating a female whose attitude he, himself, publicly rejected - a legitimate question in all respects!

I envy you for having found hot, working girls who are full of passion! I always thought – and this is clearly echoed by other members in this Forum – that such girls almost always view the man as a customer, or even worse, as a "wallet with a dick"! The reasons for which you are a "monger" are your business. The reason I am always a womanizer is not reaction to any lack of passion from my girlfriends. It is simply that as a man I love to have sex with as many girls as possible. What I did state in my comment is that if I have a choice between a new girl who offers sex and an equally attractive new girl who wants to make love I would certainly choose the latter. In this respect you are right! I should not project such inclinations of mine on everyone else. Everyone is different indeed. Normally I would offer an apology for such a mistake but as your remarks against me are, to say the least, provocative I think that you don't deserve it.

Zhuren

09-01-07, 03:21

SOHO new town was mentioned before as a viable option for incall, but so far I have only seen medical massage centers there that obviously do not offer anything else than a relaxing massage.

Would highly appreciate any information.

Medical masage my eye. Call any massage center that advertises to be in the A block of SOHO New Town. If they direct you to the "Orange Building" (across the street,) then you are in biz

Or simply proceed to the A block of SOHO New Town and look at the "Orange Building" across the street. Call any phone number displayed in the window.

You need to have a working knowledge of Chinese or Japanese. That area is mongering central for the nihongon hentai salary-man.

Relativist

09-01-07, 03:34

No, we don't agree on that, and the comments of Lao Ma and Frequent Travel are testament. In my response to Lao Ma I have already stated that it was a mistake from my side to speak for others. I shall not be so careless again.

I hate guys who treat WGs like dirt - because that ruins our sport. Give and ye shall receive. Treat like dirt and ye shall be treated like dirt. Treat the girls friendly and with respect, and most of the times, you will be treated likewise. If you are taken advantage of, then most of the times it's the fault of previous customers, who treated the girls like shit and who deserve to be treated likewise.
You are simply delusional! I never said that WG should be treated as anything other than human beings. In fact, I am on a first-name basis with quite a few of them here in Beijing. If I believed that they should be treated like dirt I, obviously, would not be a member in this Forum myself.

But to generalize and to say that the most mediocre girl is somehow better than a nice WG is just outrageous.I never said that either! All I said is that WG have sex for money. All other girls have sex for sex! There is nothing wrong about a girl who has sex for money. If the WG respects her customers then she offers service to them. That is the reason I visit them when I do not have as much attention from other girls and I am always on friendly terms with them unless they prove themselves a s.l.u.t.

People with that attitude deserve to be treated badly, they derserve to get married to a jealous mediocre b.i.t.c.h., they deserve a very expensive divorce. And because there IS justice, this is usually how it works out. Serves them right.As I do not have that attitude, as I always treat ALL girls with the same respect which I demand from them I take it that you are reflecting on yourself!

I personally see a WG at the minimum as a type of nurse that takes care of an ailment of certain organs. Come cheaper than shrinks or divorce attorneys. There are good nurses and bad nurses. Generalizations and stereotyping is never a good thing. (Although it's - as the last sentence shows - not always easy to avoid.)I couldn't agree with you more! However, the female whom Taiwan Guy described was anything but that.

As for s.l.u.t.s., I recommend them. I love girls with a high sex drive. But it needs a real man to satisfy it.The only drive which s.l.u.t.s. have is the drive for money. Only girls - WG or not - have a real sex drive. But it takes a real man to realise that (let alone satisfy it).

Relativist

09-01-07, 03:47

You argue like gentleman. I am sorry that I can not swap views with you just now. As you probably noticed I have received other comments which, obviously, take priority. I can not play in several fields at once.

Bad Boy Billy

09-01-07, 06:07

OldAsiaHand

09-01-07, 06:09

BBB,

I've been to Xiamen, Quanzhou, Guangzhou, Dongguan, Shenzhen and Shanghai since we hooked up last week. Heading back down south today.

Are you going to be able to make it down South on the way out of China? Will probably hook-up with a few ISG veterans in CP on Thursday.

OAH

OAH - where are you mate?

You still alive after Beijing visit?

Just spent an hour in Hollywood with Sammy.

Your old giorlfriend - Miss Poland 1952 - remember her?

Well she was looking for you - she asked Sammy and I where was that strapping 'adonis' type who was with me in Hollywood last week.

I told her you will NEVER FORGET HER - I hope that was that OK?

Bad Boy Billy

09-01-07, 06:10

Saturday night is Billys last night in Beijing this visit - NBG if you reading this or anybody else - dinner at The DEn at 8 - off to Hollywood - then maybe I might go to Absent before Maggies.

Sammy my Russian w.h.o.r.e from Hollywood last night tells me not many Russians go to Absent - most are Uzbeks.
I can't wait to read a report about that STUNNER you grabbed from Hollywood the other night for your Chinese friend - please share info mate.

Bad Boy Billy

09-01-07, 06:12

WayneGrow

09-01-07, 07:59

Do the WGs of Hollywood and Absinthe also provide the possibility of going to their place or is it outcall only?

AtZhuren

The orange and red building do not have a lot of numbers plastered on their windows. And most of them say "for rent" or offer medical massage. I have checked most of them already. I am not sure when you last went to that place, but "just call any of those numbers on the building" is misleading.

V Max

09-01-07, 11:05

Hi Billy,

Would you mind if I joined you guys? I'm dying for some action and with my non-existing Mandarin it's not easy :)

Bad Boy Billy

09-01-07, 11:59

Spotted a TALL AFRICAN STUNNER in a Starbucks a week ago - sat down and said hi.

Went past same time next night and she is there again - sit and chat for 2 mins and grab her cell phone.

SMS'ed her for next few days - bought her lunch tosay - RMB150 total for 2 of us - then 3 hour session in bed.

Refused ANY PAYMENT at all - Beijing - gotta love it huh.

Member #3421

09-01-07, 14:09

Billy arrived back in Beijing last night and headed straight to Hollywood with NBG.

NGB grabbed a gorgeous tight bodied young brunette - headed off - Billy waited for the 'Movie Star'.

She fronted about 11 and says I cannot go with you tonight - Billy is broken hearted - so what do - Plan B - take her sister instead.

Almost as tall, bigger titts, not as pretty, nowhere near the same STUNNING performance - 800RMB later she is gone.

Off to Maggies and grabbed 22yo medical student Ganaa at 12.30 - RMB1,000 all night - as many pops as I want - tall lean and slim - just like Billy likes - titts a tad small but shit happens.

Back in hotel by 1am - she not want to shower together - but I convinced her to do so - what an erotic experience - we washed each other for like 30 mins.

GREAT KISSER - GREAT BLOW JOB - HIT THE ROOF WHEN I MADE HER CUM WITH MY TONGUE.

Seriously erotic passionate sex - and then dammit - after round 1 at about 2.30 she gets her period - fuck don't you hate that.

The poor little thing was so embarassed - no biggie I tell her - gave her 800 and she left.

Msg'ed me again this morning saying sorry sorry sorry - gotta love these little Mongolian angels - such sweet creatures.

Ah, Billy didn't tell the whole story. When I got back to Maggies after round 1 with the Russian brunette (Billy had to text me and threated to kick my ass because I was back in Hollywood after round 1 looking for round 2), Billy was with a hot Mongolian. I looked more closely, and -- yes -- Billy and NBG share excellent taste (mutual pat on the back). Billy said, "so, what do you think of her, mate?" I could only grin and say, "been there, done that." A little crass, sorry mate! But worth a few laughs. I'm sorry it didn't work out LT, Billy. Shit happens, as they say on the wall in Maggies.

NBG spots another hottie -- turned out to be a friend of Billy's girl. She didn't want to dance. Ok, fine. Chatted a bit. "You want to take me?" Sure, let's go outside where we can talk! "Short term only." What? "Got to get up to go to the airport tomorrow." Damn. Ok, frankly I didn't feel the chemistry, and at that point I was feeling like dancing and LT. Billy had left. So NBG heads back to Hollywood. Immediately spots (and spotted by) the young hottie from a few hours earlier. You like to dance? "YES!!!" You come with me for night, we dance at Maggies first? "YES!!!!" Her friends look disgusted (I'll take that as a compliment), she got a repeat customer in the same night.

We head to Maggie's, and dance for two hours. Head home, and the rest is history. Except for one thing. Billy and NBG have uncanny good and bad luck together, it seems. She got her period, apparently, on the dance floor. No problem in round 1 earlier that evening. Go figure. But -- she had a tampon, and insisted on going for it. Managed not to make a mess, somewhat to my surprise. Not a GFE, I'm not writing this to make some fantastic recommendation. But she's a sweetie, young, tight, with a spectacular body.

In the process of missing the fun tonight, although maybe I'll try to grab a drink later; then out of town for a week, then looking forward to returning to the game here in FABULOUS BEIJING!

NBG

PS. Sorry, the day started with a 3:00 meeting with a Chinese girl (mutual friend of Sammy's) that I had seen two weeks ago overnight. Treated her to the BFE. I don't think she appreciated her steak, sadly. I don't think the details are necessary here, other than to remind guys to GET PHONE NUMBERS so you can pull off a daytime meeting as necessary.

Downunder96

09-01-07, 14:13

See this link & has pictures as well
http://www.sznews.com/news/content/2007-09/01/content_1473778.htm

Downunder96

Bad Boy Billy

09-01-07, 16:32

See this link & has pictures as well
http://www.sznews.com/news/content/2007-09/01/content_1473778.htm

Downunder96

Common occurence mate - obviously a little behind in their 'protection' payments.

Go back next week - it will be open again.

NY Buttman

09-01-07, 22:04

It is 4; 00 AM in Beijing on Sat. I am definately drunk beyond any comprehension. I do apologize in advance, of any typo or gramatical error, since I don't think I can be very coherent even if I tried at this point, after all night of partying.

Day one Friday the 31st of Aug

Arrived at Beijing international airport at 3:00 pm. I followed advise of one of the forum member, and did airport pick up arrnaged by hotel. It did not accelerate the immgration clearance process at all. Even though he did meet me at the gate and had comfortable ride in Audi A6, not worth the money if you ask me. Next time I will probably do regular taxi route like others have mentioned.

Checked into hotel and got Sim card and business center and changed money and it is already 6pm. Showered and got a bite. Already feeling the jet lag despite sleeping through entire 13hr flight. Had moment of weakness and almost slept in, but decided to soldier on. Had the address of Maggie programed into my cell phone. Showed it taxi driver. Once he got there I was able to direct him to Holywood from there (since I could not locate address anywhere in forum or otherwise, but google map post by forum members definately helped). It was 8pm when I arrived. The pace was dead, but soon russian maidens started arriving. Very impressive selections. At least 5 of them was 8 to 9 out of 10. I have been to nightflight and Metalitza in Moscow and these girls would have done fine in those establishment. I settled on 9 girl with dirty blond 18yr old with knockout body. Sex I have to admit was somewhat mechanical, but it suited me just fine, since what I was looking for was early release prior to heading to Maggies.

Maggies is somewhat like chesterfield in Moscow, but much nicer ambiant. Also main participants are Mongolians instead of Slavic beauties. The game seems to be same though. Although I have to say there is alot more courtship involved in chesterfield prior to closing the deal. I tried to find fellow monglers but it was way too coweded with punters, could not tell for sure who were regulars and who were transient like me. Gave up after while. Had a nice chat with Chinese bar maid for a while and tipped her as Zhuren recommanded. It is 2am. Not in any urgency to close the deal since I had early release already and mighty jet lagged. At this point I am very intoxicated and started dancing on the dance floor with bunch of other people. Out of nowhere these two mongolian beauties started dirty dancing with me. After some heavy grinding, we get into negotiation, again thanks to prior contributions of other members, it was a breeze. I took the younger of the two with bigger rack. I believe her name was Oka. What an oral technique she had. I always thought russian chicks had best oral technique, but she puts them to a shame. She was oral rimming me in my anus I almost lost it. Next morining though revealed, the mongolian beauty "oka" was not as beautiful when I got sober. Alcohol has a way of enhancing beauty when we are inebriated. Alas it wouldn't be the first time nor the last time. Sent her on her way after the morning session and went back to sleep.

Day two. Sat Aug 1st

Headed back to Holywood around 9pm, since there was no one of interest showing up until 9. What a mistake. I guess because it is Sat, all the beauties I saw yesterday has disappeared by 9. Had a beer and then left. Went to Absenta. It was 10pm and too early, place is empty. Had a flaming clubs names sake drink and headed to Babyface for some local action and some techno music. But what do you know, even though the Maggies bar maid said she was there just a week ago, the place is under contruciton and not even open. I tell the taxi driver to go to Hard rock cafe, and bingo, hits the jack pot. Very attractive russian girl. Unlike cut and dry negotiation at Holywood, she is willing to drink and party. She has decent eough English skill to carry a coversaton. After god knows how may B52 shots, head back to hotel, and boy she is a performer. She is trying to sweat talk me into going back to Absenta to hook up with her friends and party, but I am not in mood. After I sent her off on her way, I head out to Mix club on north side of Workers stadium to check the local scene and get hammered. Finally back at hotel 4:00am and typing up this drunken incoherent rambling. If I continue to party this hard, I don't't think I will last until the end of this trip.

More to follow.

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Beijing Fox

09-01-07, 23:32

Lucky me that I was in a different sauna. I'm however wondering how much of a 'protection fee' a foreigner might have to pay to the raiders to bail himself out, if caught in the act? Or, does it not work that way in this country?

Common occurence mate - obviously a little behind in their 'protection' payments.

Go back next week - it will be open again.

Superforce99

09-02-07, 03:27

Am in Beijing for a few days and I normally don't have time to go to the infamous
Maggies or the other bars mentioned here, so I had to make do with what was
available which was a massage joint with my boss and our clients.

I always stay in the Wuzhou Crowne Plaza nearby the Olympic Stadium (which
is a mess of unfinished construction and looks even worse up close than it already
does in pictures). There used to be SWs patrolling the nearby streets plus touts
handing out business cards to deliver girls to your hotel room but they've disappeared
and I haven't seen them around for about 6 months now. There are many, many
massage places in the area, from low-end to high-end and everything in between.
For some reason, my boss prefers the lower-end places with higher prices. I'm
referring to the many massage places located on the first floors of the
Ya Yun Cun service apartments that used to be where the 1990 Asia Games
athletes lived. These buildings are lettered A-Z and the place we went to is
directly across from the "C" building (which, confusingly has its own massage
place) which is directly behind the Beijing Northstar Supermarket. I wish I knew
the name, but that's how I usually find it, directly across from the massage
entrance to the "C" building...

There are about 5 different girls working at this particular place, ranging from
4-7 in looks. They offer foot massage, body massage, oil massage, and laundry
service which seems to be the standard for all these "1st floor" places. I've been
to this place about 5-6 times with my boss now over the course of 8-9 months
and have had every one of the girls massage my feet or body and each girl has a
good memory of repeat customers.

My boss opted for a body massage in a private room and I did the same. I chatted
with my gal for a few minutes catching up on what I've been doing these past months
(it's been about 3 months since I last had her massage services). She seemed
friendly enough, positioned herself where my hand was in direct contact with her
upper thigh, and just gave off "positive vibes." I basically got up, told her I would
massage her, got on top of her and massaged her shoulders for a few minutes.
She seemed comfortable with that and then I continued caressing her thighs,
kissing her neck, etc...slowly, slowly until I eventually pulled off her panties and
DATY. Surprisingly clean and fresh and she was obviously enjoying it. She stopped
me for an instant and I thought she was finished but only wanted to turn up the
volume of the TV so she could moan a little louder, ha...I continued DATY while
removing my pants at the same time then turned around for 69 action. Her oral
skills were only half-decent but the excitement of it all made it worthwhile. She
asked if I had a condom, I didn't so she kept up the BBBJ until CIM. At that point
she seemed to almost choke and desperately spit into a wad of tissues. We
laughed, cleaned up and then chatted until my boss was done with his massage.

I wasn't sure if she was going to add some "extra charges" to the bill or ask for a
tip, but she didn't and I left after my boss paid the tab (98 RMB per hour for each of
us). I never assumed there were extras available at these places or it would just be
an expensive HJ, but with some chatting and friendliness, I guess anything's possible.
Chinese skills definately necessary as they have little/no English skills.

Also, in terms of the actual service, their foot massages are decent but the body
massages are terrible. Their laundry service is reasonably priced (compared to the
hotel anyway) and quick turnaround.

J

Infomatic

09-02-07, 20:37

BTW, does anyone knows what happened to Browns? Seems to be closed.

Take care

FTBrown has been shut down - The owner had forget to pay is dues. (if you know what I mean)

Brown used to offer on of the most terrible service in town.

Across from it you'll find "Salsa C." great pickup for Latinos.

NY Buttman

09-02-07, 21:26

It is again 4:00 am on Sunday night or Monday morning whichever you would like to call. I really got to get to bed earlier than this. Did some regular tourist stuff early in the day. Did Forbiden city, Tinamen square and Wangfugin st food markets. Tried to eat fried scorpian on scewer but my GI track is way too quizzy from rampage the night before.

Around 9:00 pm headed over to holywood again. The same 5 fabulous looking girls are back. They all look very good, but the same girl I did two nights ago just looks so good. I take her back to hotel. My previous experience showed that alot of times, their perfomance improves and they do warm up with repeat visit. And it proves be true. She does put on spirited perfomance. She still doen't allow DFK or DATY. But she makes up for it with one hell of fabulous body and effort in bed otherwise. I am not giving all out endorsement here, but I can understand where she stands. She doesn't smoke, or drink alcohol. New in business, not a lifer. I do not know her life story, but she obviously cares about her health more than anything else. Good for her.

Afterward, head out to Sanlitun bar area. Went to the Den. Bar was very quite, but met some US GI's stationed at South Korea on vacation. Hit few bars in Sanlitun togather. Alcohol is flowing. Met some more female GI's, the few more Brits join the group. Now party is really swinging. I got to say those female GI's really doesn't fit sterotype. They were very attractive. Nothing overtly sexual happened, but alot of flirting and some groping.

I leave them around 2:00 am, head to massage place I saw next to hardrock cafe. I am drunk and sore from walking all day sightseeing, and just want some straight massage. Of course if they offered more, I wouldn't object. But when I got there, hardrock cafe and massage place both are closed already, and I see the girls outside getting into cabs heading home. I guess they close early on Sunday. I redirect the taxi driver to Maggies. Maggies is not as busy as other days, but still in full swing. Made the obligatory round to see if there were any provider that catches my fancy, but no such luck. I do find the same Chinese bar maid, and have a few more drink with her. Now it is 3:30 am, and I had enough booz for the night. I have to mention, I saw a russian girl in Maggies who was obviously a provider. She could be a mixed Mongolian, but I don't think so. Chinese bar maid said she never saw her before. Just enough of curve ball to catch your attention.

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Superforce99

09-03-07, 02:36

I was driving around with my boss and some clients when my BBS radar went
off the charts (you can get one of these things from OAH)...I didn't have a
chance to check things out, but I'll be damned if there wasn't at least some
kind of sexual service available at this place.

Again, these are terrible directions, but I'm not familiar with Beijing streets at
all and I don't drive much. Basically, there is a Suning Appliance Store
(苏宁电器) nearby the Wuzhou Crowne Plaza. About 5-10 minutes by cab, so
not really walking distance.

If you are exiting the Suning Store, take a right and walk down the block, there
should be a brick structure and it's on the first floor of that. There is one
definate BBS and maybe a second one. At 3pm when I drove by, there were
plenty of gals sitting inside looking bored already. Passed by at about 9pm again
and the pink neon lights made it more the obvious.

I won't be able to check it out this trip, but perhaps next time and maybe
another monger can check it out before I do.

J

Sammy_T

09-03-07, 04:03

Had the pleasure of meeting up with BadBoyBilly at Hollywood last week. He is truly an expert in the Beijing Russian scene, and trust me, if he says a girl is gorgeous, she is! I had a Chinese colleague with me and wanted to treat him to some Russian fare. I remembered Billy’s post about the Russian model type that would not go with anyone but Chinese guys. Shared a drink at the bar with Billy until he pointed out that she had arrived. I went directly to the Russian mama running the show and told her I wanted a girl for my Chinese friend, and asked for her recommendation. She had me point out my friend, and I guess he looked OK because she quickly went and got the Russian model. I confirmed cost (800 RMB, would not accept $100 US) and that she had an apartment nearby. The girl started to protest when she saw me (a westerner), but the mama quickly pointed out my Chinese friend and everything was fine. Off they went, taking one of the black taxis around the block for 40 RMB. I had briefed my Chinese friend just to pay it rather than argue with the guy. They came back in about 20 minutes. My friend said she had a beautiful body, but kept telling him over and over to “hurry up and finish”. All in all it was a unique experience for him, but he said he would not repeat, and did not recommend it for others.

We left Hollywood and walked over to Absinthe to watch the show. In addition to their stock Russian dancers they currently have a troupe of dancers from South America that were very beautiful and fun to watch. When the dance show was over we told the waitress we wanted to by the South American girls drinks. The waitress said no problem, but they had another show to do and would drink with us after that. We did not stick around for the next show opting to head to Maggie’s.

Ran into Billy, Zhuren, and Taiwan Guy at Maggie's. Everyone seemed to be having a good time, and Zhuren had a beautiful Japanese girl on his arm. I hope his wife does not find out :) By this point my group was flying high as we had shared a bottle of Absinthe liquor while in Absinthe bar. My Chinese friends settled in and chatted with the Maggie’s bar girls, while I went on the prowl for a couple of nice Mongolian girls for 2 western friends I had with me. Not a huge crowd, but plenty of cuties from which to choose. Made a few recommendations and can confirm that all night can be had from Maggie's around 2 am for 800 RMB. I know the girls I recommended to my friend had already worked at least once that night. I might have been able to talk them down to 600 RMB, plus potential tip, but my 2 friends were happy to pay 800 RMB. The story I heard from them the next day indicated that halfway through the night they swaped partners, so each got a shot at both girls, but no crazy group sex took place. Maybe next time!

Sammy

Bad Boy Billy

09-03-07, 08:27

Brown has been shut down - The owner had forget to pay is dues. (if you know what I mean)

Brown used to offer on of the most terrible service in town.

Across from it you'll find "Salsa C." great pickup for Latinos.

Salsa C? Latinos?

Have you been keeping this place a secret from us Info?

Address please?

Better still do you have a card for this place?

Is it a bar? Restaurant? What gives?

Member #3421

09-03-07, 12:38

Misakimao

09-03-07, 13:39

Some KTV experiences

Tianshangrenjian (KTV at Great Wall hotel)

Quality of Ladies : A+ ~ A-
Cost : 5000RMB ~ no limit (just 2 persons; no cheap and quality wine or champeigne)
Comments : Why do they provide DJ? (interruption of mood; I really hate, but no choice)

Huadu(flower city : CTS HOTEL)
Quality : A+ ~ B+
Cost : 3000RMB ~
comments : If you go to KTV, it is better choice than that of Great Wall

Local KTV
Quality : A+ - C-
Cost : 500RMB ~
comments : Early brid catches worm

P.S.
I felt that I got insulted from Zhuren's post.
I admit that my posting is inadequate.
But I think he was too rude.
If he talked his friends or colleagues, he could talk like that?

Willy Worm

09-03-07, 14:51

Hello brothers, I'm just back from Beijing. Spent 10 days over there and had a wonderful time, thanks the forum.

Thank you very much for all reports, advise and recommendations.

I'll report on my trip soon.

Member #3421

09-03-07, 15:00

P.S.
I felt that I got insulted from Zhuren's post.
I admit that my posting is inadequate.
But I think he was too rude.
If he talked his friends or colleagues, he could talk like that?

I think perhaps something can be lost in translation. Zhuren was giving a warning that certain topics only tangentially related to our primary objective (getting laid) are best handled over drinks and not posted. I've met him: he's a man of few words and not afraid to put things bluntly, but perhaps not everything should be translated literally. You're new here, so just relax a little bit. Sense of humor and other more subtle aspects of language are difficult to master, and you shouldn't read too much into a simple post. You seem to be doing some good research and are trying to make contributions. Welcome!

NBG

Ranchu8888

09-03-07, 15:39

Am in Beijing for a few days and I normally don't have time to go to the infamous Maggies or the other bars mentioned here, so I had to make do with what was available which was a massage joint with my boss and our clients.

I always stay in the Wuzhou Crowne Plaza nearby the Olympic Stadium (which is a mess of unfinished construction and looks even worse up close than it already does in pictures). There used to be SWs patrolling the nearby streets plus touts handing out business cards to deliver girls to your hotel room but they've disappeared and I haven't seen them around for about 6 months now. There are many, many massage places in the area, from low-end to high-end and everything in between. For some reason, my boss prefers the lower-end places with higher prices. I'm referring to the many massage places located on the first floors of the Ya Yun Cun service apartments that used to be where the 1990 Asia Games athletes lived. These buildings are lettered A-Z and the place we went to is directly across from the "see" building (which, confusingly has its own massage place) which is directly behind the Beijing Northstar Supermarket. I wish I knew the name, but that's how I usually find it, directly across from the massage entrance to the "see" building.

There are about 5 different girls working at this particular place, ranging from 4-7 in looks. They offer foot massage, body massage, oil massage, and laundry service which seems to be the standard for all these "1st floor" places. I've been to this place about 5-6 times with my boss now over the course of 8-9 months and have had every one of the girls massage my feet or body and each girl has a good memory of repeat customers.

My boss opted for a body massage in a private room and I did the same. I chatted with my gal for a few minutes catching up on what I've been doing these past months (it's been about 3 months since I last had her massage services). She seemed friendly enough, positioned herself where my hand was in direct contact with her upper thigh, and just gave off "positive vibes. " I basically got up, told her I would massage her, got on top of her and massaged her shoulders for a few minutes. She seemed comfortable with that and then I continued caressing her thighs, kissing her neck, etc. Slowly, slowly until I eventually pulled off her panties and DATY. Surprisingly clean and fresh and she was obviously enjoying it. She stopped me for an instant and I thought she was finished but only wanted to turn up the volume of the TV so she could moan a little louder, ha. I continued DATY while removing my pants at the same time then turned around for 69 action. Her oral skills were only half-decent but the excitement of it all made it worthwhile. She asked if I had a condom, I didn't so she kept up the BBBJ until CIM. At that point she seemed to almost choke and desperately spit into a wad of tissues. We laughed, cleaned up and then chatted until my boss was done with his massage.

I wasn't sure if she was going to add some "extra charges" to the bill or ask for a tip, but she didn't and I left after my boss paid the tab (98 RMB per hour for each of us). I never assumed there were extras available at these places or it would just be an expensive HJ, but with some chatting and friendliness, I guess anything's possible. Chinese skills definately necessary as they have little/no English skills.

Also, in terms of the actual service, their foot massages are decent but the body massages are terrible. Their laundry service is reasonably priced (compared to the hotel anyway) and quick turnaround.

JHi Johnnykon666,

Can I confirm that the exact location of this massage centre? Is it located opposite Block see (which is Block F) as there 2 massage centres there?

Relativist

09-03-07, 18:24

Sorry mate, I disagree on certain points:

1. The money issue: I totally agree with the point of another member I read in this forum (Don't have his name right now): I pay them to leave, not for the game. I have been a lot in China during the last 4 years, and Beijing is the only place I am on a more or less regular schedule, Normally 2-3 month here and there. If you pick up a normal girl things can become quite difficult, especially if you decide to pick up another one after being one or two weeks with the first one. So picking them up might be more or less easy, but getting rid of them if you want might become very difficult.

2. You can't be serious about humiliation. Luckily we all are different. Even the idea of a hot girl spreading her legs, me giving her DATY and she playing with herself to make herself come makes me wish being in China at the moment and meet this girl. (As long as after her orgasm she does not turn around and sleeps, but this is normally male behaviour). Actually most of the WGs I had (even in China) tried to avoid coming. Which normally is my challenge, because nothing (almost nothing) turns me on more than seeing a girl "mourir la petite mort". If TG or anyone else does not like DATY just say it to the girl. Actually about half of the time I needed to overcome a certain resitance until they really spread their legs wide. Just the thought (SW or not) of her saying "Lick my pussy". Anyhow, i'm getting carried away.

3. And on your final sentence I also disagree, before I spend time/money (which is more or less equal to me) on a mediocre girl which might be a score, might be not, might be start bitching when it comes to the game, might be unexperienced, I for myself prefer 100%, maybe not the most gorgeous SW, but one of the gorgeous SW. Regarding sexual passion, it has been said so many times here: Treat them like you would treat your one and only love you where finally able to fuck and you will be paid back two or three times. Especially for a guy like me who gets aroused by the girls excitement.

Little bit offtopic regarding Beijing scene, so to keep on topic: The street working scene between China World Trade Center and Silk Market is still alive. Just walk around there alone around 9pm and keep your heads up and eyes open, you surely will be approached.

BTW, does anyone knows what happened to Browns? Seems to be closed.

Take care

FTHi mate,

Now that certain tensions seem to have subsided I can address the issues that you raised.

1. The money issue. Your statement "I pay them to leave, not for the game" sounds very eloquent but it is logically meaningless. The reader can make everything of it - and he is well advised not to make anything of it at all! I, personally, pay those girls to have sex with them. That, certainly includes "leaving" when I have received what I have paid for. When a girl's service falls short of matching her price then money is always an issue to me simply because I do not like to be taken advantage of.

I totally disagree with your statement regarding "normal" girls. Before anything else let me say that I do not "get rid of them". Just as I have really violent feelings against the manipulating bitches, the cock-teasers and the s.l.u.t.s. so I have the utmost respect for the young lady who received favorably my sexual attention. I do not consider her a sex object to get rid of when I am through with it.

First and foremost you completely disregard a whole category of girls who desire a man for the "one-night stand". Regarding all other girls, I never have the problems which you mention. The reason that most guys fail in this respect is because they play games. Personally, I have but one "playing" rule: I play games on no one and no one plays games on me! It is, practically, a matter of a few minutes for me when I meet a girl to overwhelm her feminine defenses with the clear-cut statement "I want to make love to you!" That does not, by itself, warrant sex of course. It does, however, instantly secure her feminine curiosity and attention. Past that point it is all a matter of technique. The fact is that no girl will ever ask for any further commitments because I never lead her to believe that I offer any commitment other than that of passion.

2. Did you seriously think that I denounced the act of performing oral sex on a girl as humiliation? I am sorry, but you are naïve! I don't like to brag and boast to other guys about my sexual prowess. Suffice it to say that not only is such an act an immediate priority for me but that I am also so fascinated by that aspect of a girl's body that most of the time I reach a wild climax on the spot while I perform oral sex on her (much to her discomfort for having to do the laundry immediately after!). What I did state in my response to that other member last Friday is that if he is publicly so disillusioned with that female then either she did not really allow him to perform on her or else her overall demands in exchange for such a permission, as he describes them, were humiliating. I have already dwelt on this point in my recent posts.

3. Time and money are certainly an issue. For that matter, the stance which you take is most respectable. However, it is also a matter of personal priorities. My priority is to make love, not just have sex. I firmly "stick" to my position. Even the most kind service girl will not offer as much passion as any other girl. The simple reason is that a service girl is interested in me because she is interested in my money, any other girl is interested in me because she is interested in my manhood. I, for myself, prefer 100% the not so attractive girl who wants to make love over the gorgeous service girl whose mind is on the time limit when I have sex with her. I repeat, I have had fascinating sex with service girls, especially in this country. However, no such experience compares – for example - to the glimpse of heaven I had in bed with that "inexperienced" 19 year-old beauty who "started bitching when it came to the game", yet whom I conquered in all respects!

Regarding your stance on sexual passion, you have made two mistakes. First, you are simply confusing a service girl's kindness and sexual generosity with passion. I have already elaborated this point. I always treat service girls with the same respect I treat any other girl. Indeed, I approach them with passion. However – and this is your second mistake - just as kindness itself is not passion so passion itself is not love. There is only one girl that I would treat like I "would treat the one and only love I was finally able to fuck". That is the girl I would happen to love. As this is not a Forum on romantic love I would like to refrain from explaining this point further. Besides, no explanation is necessary. Any man who has ever been in love with a girl can understand this.

Have fun,

Relativist

Zhuren

09-03-07, 21:08

I felt that I got insulted from Zhuren's post.
I admit that my posting is inadequate.
But I think he was too rude.
If he talked his friends or colleagues, he could talk like that?

Yes, he would, and does. Also, if you think that your posting was "inadequate" (a charitable way of saying it) then the least thing you could do is edit it, and remove the stupid part.

GlenEagle

09-04-07, 01:01

I felt that I got insulted from Zhuren's post.
I admit that my posting is inadequate.
But I think he was too rude.
If he talked his friends or colleagues, he could talk like that?

I concur with Zhuren's earlier comments. The last two statements in Misakimao's earlier posting do not contribute anything to the mongers, it will only bring troubles to ISG. It is a known fact to everyone in China that you need to have certain connections in order to achieve certain things. Political issues and names should be kept away in ISG.

Just my POV.

GlenEagle

OldAsiaHand

09-04-07, 10:08

I recently posted my thoughts on the issue of passion with WG on another thread, but want to expand it here.

As I said in my last post on this subject, our relationships with WGs are purely commercial. When it comes to passion, there is none. Some only pretend GFE and/or orgasms better than others and I call this good service for the money. There is no emotional connection whatsoever, however, if you treat her with respect and kindness, you MAY get better service. Some girls couldn't give a shit how you treat them as long is it is not violent. The service may get better if we repeat the same girl, only because she may learn a bit about what we like and she wants us to come back with more money. IMHO, it is as simple as that.

I must agree with Relativist that a freebie is a different story emotionally. There is a lot to be said about a girl that wants to do you compared with one you pay. However, more often than not, although there is passion, the service is lacking compared to WGs. Having said that, I do not often have much luck with one night stands. It usually takes me longer to score freebies.

Just my POV.

OAH

WayneGrow

09-04-07, 18:10

Went to Hollywood disco the other day at around 9:30pm. Quantity of girls was definitely outweighing the number of mongers, most of them being Chinese just watching the female crowd. After a beer I decided to walk around the place and stumbled upon a looker standing at the bar.One of those few of a kind classic beauties, almost breathtaking.

I chatted her up and invited her for a drink. Turns out she's a model from Harbin who came to Beijing two years ago. And a model she is. 1.74m tall, slim and busty, very nice skin and a beautiful face. 9 on the scale.

She did not really make efforts to carry a conversation, which usually makes me lose interest, but in that case I stuck with her.She's just too beautiful.

We decided to go to her apartment for 800 RMB, one shot. We took one of these ridiculously expensive rides for 100 RMB which included the cabby waiting on the parking lot. Having arrived at her worn down apartment I took a quick shower while she ran a porn dvd in the bedroom. I wonder who needs to watch a porn dvd to get in the mood when being with her naked on the bed. She really is as beautiful without clothes as she is with clothes on.Perfect skin. The service was not really worth talking about as it was totally mediocre. She started the usual "hao shufu, ni zhan de hen shuai" in order to make me come faster although she really wasn't aggressive at all. Let's call it charmingly professional.She doesn't do bbj and I am not sure if she likes DATY. Anyway that's not my thing. She kisses well though.

One or let's say I definitely cannot expect her to explode and go totally out of herself, but she's not a totally cold professional either.

I got her number afterwards and I am sure I will call her someday soon. Not for the service as it was average, but for she is an extremely beautiful WG.

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NY Buttman

09-04-07, 22:01

the day 4 in beijing

i had all day long engagement starting in 8:00 am on tuesday, which means i have to closed the deal relatively early and hit the bed by midnight. i was still sore from all that walking i did the night before. so i decided to try that massage place i saw around hardrock before going over to hardrock. got there by 8:30pm. price was very cheap. 2 hr massage including one hour foot massage and one hour body massage is only 200 rmb. excellent therapeutic massage, but she is keep on trying to upsell it to hand job. normally i would have complied, but i she simply was not my type. but obviously if you want cheap releas it is available. i have to say though, the place is on the basement and it is bit sleazy. i definately will not go back there.

got to hardrock cafe by 11:00 pm, but not much is available on menu, either because it is monday night or simply i got there late.

i had back to the holywood. i see the same good looking russian girls hanging togather. i do see a paculier sight. the normally well banded russian congregations that doesn't interact with others are, alot more dispersed. actually there are some pocket of negotiations or flirting going on. maybe the fact that it is closed to 1am had spirted on some motivation? i see the girl i took previously is in intense negotiation/conversation with one of the punter. which means he must have at least some grasp of russian language. i see one of her pactmate. short red headed gril with amazing body. the same deal as always. 800 for one pop. head to my hotel. she does speak semi decent english and we have something resembling normal conversation. had some liquor from the minibar, and she loosens up quite a bit. the sex wise though, it is as if repeating the same prescribed script, no matter which of these girls you take home. fabulous body. 8-9 face. but no dfk, no daty. get that cover on asap and get it on.

normally i do not like writing a report that will adversely afftect the girl's livelyhood. but given the fact that the purpose of this forum is to help other brother monglers, and since she will have locals who will give her business reguardless, i will mention following. when i got out of the shower, the light in the room was totally turned off. i got suspicious and turned on some of the lights and found out she has warts around genitalia. simply i sent her on her way. her name was anastasia. it typically transmitted through direct contact and did not feel like taking chance.

the day 5

i wanted to see what the high end game is like in beijing. went over to the passion is sheraton. had the hotel personel write the address on the paper prior to getting into the cab. when the cab driver drove into the same court yard of landmark hotel i thaught he made mistake. but it turned out that sheraton and landmark hotel shares same court yard across from each other. as soon as i got into the passion, three girls swammed me and ask if they can sit with me. i guess it is a slow night. i have to say the concentration of beautiful girl are definately higher than anywhere else in beijing. quite a number of them could've been easily a cover model for a magazine. the price is definately much higher than anywhere else. as sammi t mentioned, ktv will cost you well over $1000 us dollars. girls wanted 500-600 rmb just to sit and talk to you. take home was available from chinese girls unlike maggies, but negotiation started at 4000rmb and eventually settled at 3000rmbs but no lower even in slow night. i was going to take one for the team and see how it was at that price, but i decided if i am going to spend that much money i wanted it to be the best one i can find in the joint. i will probably head back there on busier night any try one out and report back. in the end, got out of the place, spending more than i would have if i took a hassle free holywood girl for a pop for some chit chat. i have to admit that i had a good time talking to a cover girl quality provider and alot of groping. if money is no object, this might be the place for those few who can affort it.

headed back to maggies at 1am. met up with my chinese bar girl again, and started parting hard. after god knows how many drinks and there is still no one that peaks my interest. she pulls some decent looking mongolians but after looking at those girls in passion, i am not particularly in mood to take anyone home. at this point i decided to write the day off and just to party with the bar girl. left the bar as it was closing with nice jucie kiss on the lips and some tongue swapping with the chinese bar girl. i didn't think that was allowed. who knows. total damage for the night. i could have easily taken that passion girl home and had some big change left over. but i think i had hell of alot of the fun without actually fucking someone, if that is possible.

i have to say beijing is a bewitching place for those who like myself, who likes russian girl. those who would like to party with them and have some connection, even if it on superficial level in fleeting moments. the hollywood provides slovic beaties, but ones that i consider acceptable quality, doesn't provide anything remotely resemble that. maggies does provide that interaction, but quality seems to leave something to be desired. the passion has the quality, but i am not sure if i will ever be comfortable paying the price they desire, even if they are cover girl quality. i guess i just will have to pick lesser of the three evils.

more to follow

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FrequentTravel

09-05-07, 01:32

Hi mate,

Now that certain tensions seem to have subsided I can address the issues that you raised.

1. The money issue. Your statement "I pay them to leave, not for the game" sounds very eloquent but it is logically meaningless. The reader can make everything of it - and he is well advised not to make anything of it at all! I, personally, pay those girls to have sex with them. That, certainly includes "leaving" when I have received what I have paid for. When a girl's service falls short of matching her price then money is always an issue to me simply because I do not like to be taken advantage of.

I totally disagree with your statement regarding "normal" girls. Before anything else let me say that I do not "get rid of them". Just as I have really violent feelings against the manipulating bitches, the cock-teasers and the s.l.u.t.s. so I have the utmost respect for the young lady who received favorably my sexual attention. I do not consider her a sex object to get rid of when I am through with it.

First and foremost you completely disregard a whole category of girls who desire a man for the "one-night stand". Regarding all other girls, I never have the problems which you mention. The reason that most guys fail in this respect is because they play games. Personally, I have but one "playing" rule: I play games on no one and no one plays games on me! It is, practically, a matter of a few minutes for me when I meet a girl to overwhelm her feminine defenses with the clear-cut statement "I want to make love to you!" That does not, by itself, warrant sex of course. It does, however, instantly secure her feminine curiosity and attention. Past that point it is all a matter of technique. The fact is that no girl will ever ask for any further commitments because I never lead her to believe that I offer any commitment other than that of passion.

2. Did you seriously think that I denounced the act of performing oral sex on a girl as humiliation? I am sorry, but you are naïve! I don't like to brag and boast to other guys about my sexual prowess. Suffice it to say that not only is such an act an immediate priority for me but that I am also so fascinated by that aspect of a girl's body that most of the time I reach a wild climax on the spot while I perform oral sex on her (much to her discomfort for having to do the laundry immediately after!). What I did state in my response to that other member last Friday is that if he is publicly so disillusioned with that female then either she did not really allow him to perform on her or else her overall demands in exchange for such a permission, as he describes them, were humiliating. I have already dwelt on this point in my recent posts.

3. Time and money are certainly an issue. For that matter, the stance which you take is most respectable. However, it is also a matter of personal priorities. My priority is to make love, not just have sex. I firmly "stick" to my position. Even the most kind service girl will not offer as much passion as any other girl. The simple reason is that a service girl is interested in me because she is interested in my money, any other girl is interested in me because she is interested in my manhood. I, for myself, prefer 100% the not so attractive girl who wants to make love over the gorgeous service girl whose mind is on the time limit when I have sex with her. I repeat, I have had fascinating sex with service girls, especially in this country. However, no such experience compares – for example - to the glimpse of heaven I had in bed with that "inexperienced" 19 year-old beauty who "started bitching when it came to the game", yet whom I conquered in all respects!

Regarding your stance on sexual passion, you have made two mistakes. First, you are simply confusing a service girl's kindness and sexual generosity with passion. I have already elaborated this point. I always treat service girls with the same respect I treat any other girl. Indeed, I approach them with passion. However – and this is your second mistake - just as kindness itself is not passion so passion itself is not love. There is only one girl that I would treat like I "would treat the one and only love I was finally able to fuck". That is the girl I would happen to love. As this is not a Forum on romantic love I would like to refrain from explaining this point further. Besides, no explanation is necessary. Any man who has ever been in love with a girl can understand this.

Have fun,

RelativistHi mate,

Actually I thought the topic was through, I just stated my opinion. And if this will go on we should continue by PM or even in person (will be in Beijing soon for 3-4 weeks), because it might be boring for the rest of the community, having nothing to do with the Beijing scene. But after you taking at least some time to comment and also start to attack me personally I give some comments. I just quoted the whole text because quoting particularly would have given this report more attention than it deserves. And I try (was not that easy after the first read) staying polite during answering. And regarding the tensions you believe being subsided, I think you are just ignored. (Please excuse if I sound a little bit sarcastic in between):

Regarding point 1: I stay to my point of paying them to leave. Unfortunately I stumbled on this community as my career as a monger (at least in Beijing) might be about to end. But I had a lot of freebies in China, and I stick to the term "to get rid of them". You seem to see this in a different way I just suppose that you still stick to the first freebie you ever picked up. Wait.-- what was your reason to join this community? Call it like you like, sooner or later you get rid of them, leave them, go different ways; however you call it. Regarding your "whole category of girls who desire a man for a "one-night stand"", from my experience they exist, but being far from being "a whole category". If it would be that way most of the SW's would need another job. Of course unless you are Brad Pitt or alike (coming from an end 30, quite in good shape). But I would gladly learn from you where to find the masses of this "whole category" (Stumbled upon 1 or 2 during my life until now)

2. You should have just made this clear during your post.

3. And now for the best: You are aware that we are not only in the China subforum, we are in the Beijing forum. And you call me naive. Yes sure, they are only after your manhood. Your freebies (uuups, according to not getting rid of them/leaving or however you call it you still stick to your first one) have no idea about westerners. They see you and think: "Oh my god, this man I need to have because of his manhood". You really think I am naive?

Your final conclusion: I start with "would treat the one and only love I was finally able to fuck". You expect me to (which is really quite difficult to do) read your original intend between the lines regarding the humiliation and you are not able to see exaggeration here? Come on. Regarding my two mistakes: I think your biggest mistake is not to recognise that different people have different opinions/attitudes. Who said that love is necessary for passion. If you are so limited that you need love for passion, that’s fine. (Again wondering why you joined this community). I don’t need love for passion. Without bragging I live a normal life, I had quite some "normal" one night stands in Europe and also freebies (mostly in China, some in South America). And of course a lot of SWs (all about Europe, South America and China). And the hit ratio regarding passion (for me) with the SW was significantly higher. Maybe I was lucky, maybe it has to do with the way I treat them. Don’t know and don’t care I had a better time with SW. And sometimes passion might become love. As Zhuren said, there are a lot of examples, where former SW found together with a former customer and living a happy life. BTW I might become one of them (not really a SW but somehow similar), but this time will tell.

As I said, all further (if desired) communication per PM. I will ignore following posts regarding this topic in the forum.

Remember that (luckily) all people are different and have their own kind of view. Don’t ever assume that yours is the one that will make the world a better place.

Have Fun and take care,

FT

Sammy_T

09-05-07, 04:17

As I said in my last post on this subject, our relationships with WGs are purely commercial. When it comes to passion, there is none.

I must respectfully disagree. Growing up in North America I may have a slanted definition of what "passion" actually is, but I think I have felt it with working girls.

The most passionate times I can recall in my life were when I spent the first "night" with what was at the time a long term girl friend. I believe it was a combination of the anticipation of being together, as well as the fact that we were both "into it". It was both a physical and emotional state - a heart pounding, light-headed feeling. A man is instinctually a hunter, and I believe that it is the thrill of the hunt that adds to our build up of passion. Once the relationship starts the “hunt” is over, and the passion starts to dwindle. This is why it is easier for a man to rekindle the passion by going on the hunt again.

This theory supports why others have found passion with freebies, but not with working girls – you have to do a little work, ie, conduct the hunt, with a freebie. The hunt is not perceived as being required with a working girl. It is for this reason I like the Pig and Maggie’s more than Hollywood – at Hollywood there is absolutely no “hunt”, it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

I can honestly say that I have had “passion” with working girls. Not with anyone I have just picked out of a bar the first time I saw her, but with girls that I have invested time by getting to know her first. I guess for me this is a cross between taking a working girl and a freebie - I invest the effort it would take to bag a freebie, but apply my efforts to a working girl. In my mind this is the best of both worlds. I get the hunt, plus, at the end, a working girl has much more experience in applying her “art” than a freebie does. Because I have shown interest in her, and in a way, made her work a little harder to get me to go with her she has also made an investment in the relationship. I always still pay her – but I tell her that she is my friend, and I know she has a hard life, and as a friend I want to help her. This payment keeps the relationship on the commercial side, but also puts you at a level above a simple client-provider relationship.

This is a dangerous course of action, as it is easy to fall into the boyfriend role. In addition to all of the baggage a working girl brings to a relationship, as a “girlfriend” she will become jealous when you go with another girl. And believe me – just because you are her boyfriend does not mean she will stop working, especially if you stop paying her when you go with her. She is in town to make money, and she does this by going with other guys. I am sure that anyone who has fallen into this boyfriend role would recommend against it. There are several guys out there who have actually married working girls and taken them out of this life, but I imagine the actual success rate is 1 in a million.

Sorry for the off topic post, but my insight is primarily with Mongolian girls, not Chinese girls. Since there are so many Mongolian girls working Beijing I think people reading this forum might find it useful.

Sammy

Sammy_T

09-05-07, 05:26

As the one who coined the phrase:

I don't pay them to go with me, I pay them to leave.
I feel I must chime in here. The logic behind this statement is simple - it is possible to find someone to have sex with you for free. Especially if you are a westerner doing business in China - even the most common man can find a nice girl. The motivation for her attraction to you will be the prospect of a better life. The problem is that once you have sex with her you are almost always enrolled into some type of relationship with the end result (in her eyes) of a lifetime together. This can get very messy. When you go with a working girl her motivation is pure and simple – money. Both parties know that at the end of the night all you owe her is the agreed upon financial compensation. There is no messy emotional ties. Perhaps it is better to say that I am not paying for sex, I am paying for sex without messy emotional ties.

There are certainly a class of girls out there who have sex simply because they like it. I would speculate that this group is small, and that they have probably already found their way into the sex industry. After all, why not get paid for doing something you enjoy?

Sammy

NY Buttman

09-05-07, 08:08

Ah, Buttman, you are in Beijing for 48 hours and do more than I managed in the last 6 weeks. I got off to a particularly slow start, and you just started pounding the pavement. Welcome to Beijing, and congrats on excellent work and reporting! I hope our paths cross when I return.

NBGDoes this mean you are leaving? Too bad. I was hoping to meet some of you on this trip but it is bit hard to arrange that without PM. For personal reason I don't want that charge showing up on my credit card bill if you know what I mean. Maybe our path will cross some day.

Lao Ma

09-05-07, 09:55

I agree with Sammy T.

10,000 mongers - 10,000 different viewpoints and motivations for what we do. That's my (new) motto. Whatever floats your boat. At the end of the day, this forum is dedicated to men who pay women to have sex. As I've said here before, in that sense we are all scallawags. Not sure we really need to get into theories of this approach versus that approach, or why one persons thinking is wrong or right. I certainly don't want to come here to have some newbie who likes to pontificate lecture another member on the difference between love and passion. Gimme a break. If relativist wants to be Mr. cerebral and get all philosphical on all of us and share his theories about the way the world appears to him, it's just something that I have zero interest in hearing about. It's as relevant as my posting why Idaho potatoes are better than Wisconsin potatoes. Yawn.

the only direct thing I'd like to say to Relativist is this: Having "really violent" thoughts towards women of ANY type is NOT normal, and is dangerous. You should go to a psychiatrist and get the treatment that you need. No shame in admitting you have a problem. We all have 'em, in one form or another.

Zhuren

09-05-07, 10:00

my 0.02 yuan:

1.) sammy is (as usual) right on all counts. he's been in china longer than any of us, and is a man of great insight. you guys should listen to him, and whenever you meet him, he shouldn't pay for a single drink.

2.) guys who say "i don't pay for sex" are in my mind - and i select that word deliberately - assholes. first, they usually are bigot liars. second, they usually are wrong. if they really don't pay now, then they usually pay later, big time. i'm talking half of the assets going to the "freebie" after the divorce.

3.) if payment or passion is the question, then i respectfully suggest to either pay, or take the passion to another forum. there are all kinds of "how to get the chicks" speed seduction websites, where losers learn how to lie, make false promises, and seduce girls. there, puas (pick up artists) write "lay reports" that read like they went to a safari and bagged an elephant, trophy stuffed and nailed to the wall. from the sounds of it, they succeed in bedding a girl maybe twice a year. they can't even find a girl by themselves, they need a "wingman" for help. utterly pathetic. i know maniac high, proprietor of www.pickupguide.com, personally and intimately. he's a balding cheapskate, and an idiot.

and now may i suggest that we get back to the topic of the forum: pay for play.

Willy Worm

09-05-07, 10:04

I have spent 8 days in Beijing in August.

Just some words about the City:

ATMOSPHERE: Very big, not really nice but extraordinarily interesting. People are very friendly, always trying to fulfill your desires.

CULTURE: Exciting to visit cultural sites like Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Lama Temple, Ming Tombs, Temple of Heaven, Hutong, Drum and Bell Towers etc etc etc. Prepare yourself before you go!!! 5000 years of culture, you’ll see and feel that.

TRANSPORTATION: Forget walking around. Distances between fancy destinations are huge. Even though the term “snarl-up” became a new meaning to me, take the cab; it’s cheap, no rip-off (but don’t forget to ask you concierge to provide a note with your dwelling in Chinese characters; most drivers do not speak a single word English).

ENTERTAINMENT: Well prepared after exploring the forum. Went to HRC, Maggies and some other bars. Everywhere beautiful girls and ladies, very gracious and cute and had always very pleasant GFE experience. Took always some girls with me after night to site visits, and this was very pleasant experience, too.

CONCLUSION: A great city which provides paramount culture, nice people, outstanding nightlife, wonderful ladies. A PLACE TO GO!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Nobody Doe

09-05-07, 12:48

Hi NY Buttman,

Are you interested to re-visit the Passion with me? May I ask how long you will stay in Beijing? I will be heading back to Taiwan for some vacations around mid-Sep, then be back to Beijing as I live and work here. You may read my earlier report of the Passions that I neogitated 2500RMB for LT, but it was a slow night (Sunday night) and 1:50AM, just 10 min. before the end of the Passion's business hour. Also the selection at that time was very few: just two. As you can see the demand is 1 (me) and the supply is 2, so I had slightly better position to neogitate. Both the girls agreed 2500RMB LT. These two girls were probably not as good as "cover girl quality." I also heard from one girl that the lowest is 3000RMB, not 2500RMB, so she told me not to tell others I just paid 2500RMB (Haha), but I am interested to see if we go there at some other night and how low we would be able to get.

I am sorry but I do not have PM capability due to I am still waiting my China local credit card to be arrived (and my wife will not know it.) Please just post the date and time you would like to go, and I will reply what kind of dress I will be wearing, and I will meet you there to drop the coded phrase "sure there are a lot of girls here"

Cheers,

Taiwan Guy

As soon as I got into the Passion, three girls swammed me and ask if they can sit with me. I guess it is a slow night. I have to say the concentration of beautiful girl are definately higher than anywhere else in Beijing. Quite a number of them could've been easily a cover model for a magazine. The price is definately much higher than anywhere else. As Sammi T mentioned, KTV will cost you well over $1000 us dollars. Girls wanted 500-600 rmb just to sit and talk to you. Take home was available from Chinese girls unlike Maggies, but negotiation started at 4000rmb and eventually settled at 3000rmbs but no lower even in slow night. I was going to take one for the team and see how it was at that price, but I decided if I am going to spend that much money I wanted it to be the best one I can find in the joint. I will probably head back there on busier night any try one out and report back. In the end, got out of the place, spending more than I would have if I took a hassle free Holywood girl for a pop for some chit chat. I have to admit that I had a good time talking to a cover girl quality provider and alot of groping. If money is no object, this might be the place for those few who can affort it.

Zhuren

09-05-07, 18:10

Ran into Billy, Zhuren, and Taiwan Guy at Maggie's. Everyone seemed to be having a good time, and Zhuren had a beautiful Japanese girl on his arm. I hope his wife does not find out :)

That beautiful girl ( she truly is) IS my wife. And I'm a lucky S.O.B.: She likes girls also. Sometimes, we hunt together. And she knows my handle and reads my posts.

Eat your heart out.

We'll all be at M's Friday night.

Member #3421

09-06-07, 01:22

I had back to the Holywood. I see the same good looking russian girls hanging togather. I do see a paculier sight. The normally well banded russian congregations that doesn't interact with others are, alot more dispersed. Actually there are some pocket of negotiations or flirting going on. Maybe the fact that it is closed to 1am had spirted on some motivation? I see the girl I took previously is in intense negotiation/conversation with one of the punter. Which means he must have at least some grasp of Russian language. I see one of her pactmate. Short red headed gril with amazing body. The same deal as always. 800 for one pop. Head to my hotel. She does speak semi decent English and we have something resembling normal conversation. Had some liquor from the minibar, and she loosens up quite a bit. The sex wise though, it is as if repeating the same prescribed script, no matter which of these girls you take home. Fabulous body. 8-9 face. But no DFK, no DATY. Get that cover on ASAP and get it on.

Normally I do not like writing a report that will adversely afftect the girl's livelyhood. But given the fact that the purpose of this forum is to help other brother monglers, and since she will have locals who will give her business reguardless, I will mention following. When I got out of the shower, the light in the room was totally turned off. I got suspicious and turned on some of the lights and found out she has warts around genitalia. Simply I sent her on her way. Her name was Anastasia. It typically transmitted through direct contact and did not feel like taking chance.

Great reporting once again, but a clarification is needed. You describe a "short red-head" in the first paragraph, above, fabulous body, 8-9 face, and imply that you get it on with her, following a script. Then in the next paragraph you talk about Anastasia, who is sent on her way after your discovery. Is this the same short hot red-head, or a different encounter with a different Russian? If different, please describe.

NBG

Member #3421

09-06-07, 01:28

Does this mean you are leaving? Too bad. I was hoping to meet some of you on this trip but it is bit hard to arrange that without PM. For personal reason I don't want that charge showing up on my credit card bill if you know what I mean. Maybe our path will cross some day.

Gone now, back Monday I think. Otherwise, I'd propose meeting up sometime for mongering in the NY area, but frankly it's so damn expensive I don't think it's worth it. If you feel comfortable posting your USG handle, that's one way to connect, though. Perhaps you use the same name on both sites (I don't)?

NBG

Infiniteuknwn

09-06-07, 02:48

Hey everyone,

I'm a long time lurker and first time poster. And now I've arrived to live in this crazy city of beijing. I've mongered a tiny bit around asia, but I'm still mostly a newbie. The advice here though has been incredible, and I thank everyon for that.

Maybe I'll meet some of you out on the prowl here. I heard Maggies on Friday? . I'm asian-american so hopefully they will let me in haha. I don't really want to carry my passport around, but will I have to resort to that? I've only hit up KTVs here so far with some locals, have much more experience in Shenzhen, HK, and Taiwan than here. It seems like it I'll be an interesting stay out here though.
Cheers

-IU

Infomatic

09-06-07, 06:39

my 0.02 yuan:

2.) guys who say "i don't pay for sex" are in my mind - and i select that word deliberately - assholes. first, they usually are bigot liars. second, they usually are wrong. if they really don't pay now, then they usually pay later, big time. i'm talking half of the assets going to the "freebie" after the divorce.

3.) if payment or passion is the question, then i respectfully suggest to either pay, or take the passion to another forum. there are all kinds of "how to get the chicks" speed seduction websites, where losers learn how to lie, make false promises, and seduce girls. there, puas (pick up artists) write "lay reports" that read like they went to a safari and bagged an elephant, trophy stuffed and nailed to the wall. from the sounds of it, they succeed in bedding a girl maybe twice a year. they can't even find a girl by themselves, they need a "wingman" for help. utterly pathetic. i know maniac high, proprietor of www.pickupguide.com, personally and intimately. he's a balding cheapskate, and an idiot.i am sincerely tired of you insulting members of this board - i wish i could put you on ignore but it is not an option on this board. have you ever considered visiting a shrink?

==============================================

greetings infomatic,

this forum does have an ignore function.

on the forum's home page, please read the paragraph under the heading "using ignore lists".

thanks,

jackson

Chop Sticks

09-06-07, 06:52

This is the opinion of a typical first-timer.
Once you live in Beijing and know other chinese cities you will notice: worst traffic in China, highest prices for xiaojie in China, most overprices western restaurants and food quality is low compared to shanghai ie. High Rent compared to other chinese cities. Life Quality is less compared to SZ or GZ.

I have spent 8 days in Beijing in August.

Just some words about the City:

ATMOSPHERE: Very big, not really nice but extraordinarily interesting. People are very friendly, always trying to fulfill your desires.

CULTURE: Exciting to visit cultural sites like Forbidden City, Summer Palace, Lama Temple, Ming Tombs, Temple of Heaven, Hutong, Drum and Bell Towers etc etc etc. Prepare yourself before you go!!! 5000 years of culture, you’ll see and feel that.

TRANSPORTATION: Forget walking around. Distances between fancy destinations are huge. Even though the term “snarl-up” became a new meaning to me, take the cab; it’s cheap, no rip-off (but don’t forget to ask you concierge to provide a note with your dwelling in Chinese characters; most drivers do not speak a single word English).

ENTERTAINMENT: Well prepared after exploring the forum. Went to HRC, Maggies and some other bars. Everywhere beautiful girls and ladies, very gracious and cute and had always very pleasant GFE experience. Took always some girls with me after night to site visits, and this was very pleasant experience, too.

CONCLUSION: A great city which provides paramount culture, nice people, outstanding nightlife, wonderful ladies. A PLACE TO GO!

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Willy Worm

09-06-07, 07:27

Chop Sticks might be perfectly right, I'm first timer in Beijing. But travelling worldwide I compared Beijing with other big cities in the world and I'm sticking to my statement that the combination of entertaiment, culture, service and ambience is great.

Might exist better places in China, but depends on beholders expectations?

This is the opinion of a typical first-timer.
Once you live in Beijing and know other chinese cities you will notice: worst traffic in China, highest prices for xiaojie in China, most overprices western restaurants and food quality is low compared to shanghai ie. High Rent compared to other chinese cities. Life Quality is less compared to SZ or GZ.

NY Buttman

09-06-07, 14:19

Great reporting once again, but a clarification is needed. You describe a "short red-head" in the first paragraph, above, fabulous body, 8-9 face, and imply that you get it on with her, following a script. Then in the next paragraph you talk about Anastasia, who is sent on her way after your discovery. Is this the same short hot red-head, or a different encounter with a different Russian? If different, please describe.

NBGSorry about confusion. I guess way I wrote it did make it difficult to interprete. That is what happens when you type your report drunk after party 4:00 am everyday. It is Anastasia who I sent home. She was trying to put the condom on as soon as I got out of shower and light was totally off except the light from TV. Got suspicious and turn the light on and saw what I saw. Small genital wart but nevertheless a genital wart. Sent her home on her way. But up until that point it was going quite well. Much more interactive. One hell of body. She does have shorter red hair about shoulder lenght compare to her friend I haven't tried who has longer red hair. Beautiful facial features, but in better light, she does have poor complexion.

Intransit

09-06-07, 15:04

Chinaone

09-06-07, 17:14

Intransit remains on the wagon, but an AFF-using female friend of his said that she has trouble responding to AFF messages, that the number that one must type in in order to prevent spam doesn't appear in China. Anyone else having this problem? If so, have you found a way to solve it?I log onto AFF, or now know as ChineseFriendFinder, almost every day. I live in Beijing and have had no recent trouble responding to messages. There was a period of time a couple of months ago when access to the website was curtailed for several weeks. Sometimes if the number does not appear you can try to send the email anyway, it will reject, and you can see the number when the screen refreshes the second time.

Botboy

09-06-07, 17:56

Was just coming in for the Rock Festival but will end up staying for a week, so bound to hit all the places thats been mentioned here.

I do have a couple of questions that I am not sure of after RTFF.

I am with a bunch of young expats that are predominately of Asian decent, Chinese, Vietnamese. Should we just skip Maggies on the weekends as they seem to discriminate against Asians.

Do the girls care what kind of hotel you stay in? I booked at a Home Inn mainly because of the extended period I am staying and that its on my own dime instead of supplemented by the company. Would they refuse to go to a basically a motel?

TIA

NY Buttman

09-06-07, 21:27

Zhuren

09-06-07, 22:34

NY Buttman

09-06-07, 22:59

Day 6

Again did some tourist stuff in the day. Gone to Temple of heaven and Pearl Market which I am not sure why it is even called Pearl market since it was nothing more than indoor Flea market.

Around 8:00 pm, headed to Piggs. It is a quite a distance from Hyatt where I am staying but felt like had to pay homage to the few main destination mentioned in the forum. It is much smaller than I thought it would be. I see some of the same mongolian girls I saw at the Maggies in the joint. I guess they start here and head over to the Maggies later. Talent was quite disappointing. Didn't see any Russian congregation that was previously mentioned. Maybe it is still too early. Had nice short chit chat with Chinese girl form Sechuan province. Had two beers and left. Headed over to the Hardrock. The place is totally dead. Still too early for Hardrock I guess. I am starting to think only place where you find decent quality early in the night is at Holywood. Had two more beers and head over to the Holywood. By the time I arrived it is already 11pm. The place is rocking like I never seen before. There was more Russian, Uzbek, and Mongolian running around then I thought was possible. On one of the previous report (although I don't remember who), someone said 50-100 russian speaking provider in the joint, and I thought he was high on something, but I guess he was right. The place is definately rocking. I still am fixated on Russian crew. They are the definately the one with best look. I do see the Model that was described on previous report. She looks like younger version of Claudia Schieford. But given previous poor report, don't even want to bother. However this very young looking curly blond hair catches my attention. She is sitting right next to the 18 y. O. I took the first two days. I had a moment of indecision. Do I go with the known quality or take a chance. After previous night experience with Anastasia, known quality sounded pretty good. As I was making my move toward both of them, the curly blond makes eye contact and smiles. At that point, all my rational thought went out the window and we started flirting. Even though her English isn't that good, she makes earnest effort with broken English and Russian giberish that I have no clue what she is saying. At the end I took her home, and boy I am glad I took a chance. Her name is Zhenya and just turn 20. She had one of best breast I saw. Nice be-see sized natural breast. Nicely upturned and defying gravity. Bouble mound around areolus that you only see in high teens. What a beauty. She was also quite flirtaceous and fun to be with, even though half the time I had no idea what she was saying. For all you know she was saying, you stupid mo fo. Anyhow, definately will repeat during this visit.

After I let Zhenya go, got into the cab and head back to Maggie. By now I have been there everynight and securities don't even bat an eye. They just lets me by even though I am an Asian in ethnic background. My regular bar maid was off. But her friend, one of the twins, is at the bar. I will not mention the name but those who frequent the place probably knows who I am talking about. Had a few drinks with her then headed to the pool and dance area to check out Mongolian talents. The same two mongolians I flirted with are there, and the one I didn't take home last time is all over me and wants me to take her home. I had to practically fight her off. Actually I was quite satiated at that point I told her I had no plan of taking anyone home that night. Had few more drinks. Flirted with few girls. Then out of nowhere this Mongolian girl with unbelievable body is dancing in right front of me. We started grinding and before I know what happened, we are back in my hotel going at it. I had some early engagement next morning, and told her she could go home if she wanted, but she elects to stay. I guess she thought my hotel bed was more comfortable than communal room she is sharing with her friends. She had such an unbelievable muscle control in vigina. Even then, with all that alchohol on board, took forever to climax. While taking shower I see some superficial abrasion on my penius from rubber burn. I definately do not want to take chance with BBBJ in AM, even though she was heavenly with technique.

Day 7 Again head back to Holywood around 9:00 pm. Again the place is full of russian speaking providers. With the rubber burn on my penius, I think the everything covered, safty first sounds pretty dam good. Even though there were some very nice looking Uzbek representation, I decide to stick with Russian congregation. I have decided at this point the 18yo I took previously and Zhenya I took the night before are the definately best two in the joint. I had somewhat of chemistry with Zhenya the night before, so I took her back home with me again. She didn't disappoint. She really puts on spirited performace. It probably is fake, but has what seems like an intense orgasm after I been pounding her for good 40mins. If it was fake that was the best performance I've seen in my hobbying days. And should be recognized for the effort she put into it. I ask what the russian group does after Holywood closes, and she says they head over to the russian restaurant next door and eat and continue to work until 4 AM. I thought that would be perfect way to end the night after some drinks at Maggies. But I am craving for some good noodle soup at Passion. Got into cab and head over to Passion. As I walk in, runs into the same Chinese girl I was talking to last visit. She walks into the bar and sits next to me, but it doesn't deter 4 other girls from swaming over me and asking if they can sit with me. I fight them off saying I just came for some noodle. I also told the Chinese girl I met before, I do not need her companionship. But she just wants a drink says I don't need to tip her. She just wants me to escort her out of the club, so she can go home. Apparently if she leaves before 1am without taken out by a customer, she has to pay a fine. We make a deal. I escort her out and in exchange, she tells the cab driver to take me to the Angels disco in Chinese.

The Angels disco in west side of workers stadium was rocking with young Chinese girls. Good music. Alot of flirtaceous look exchanged. But with no Chinese skill, I am dead in the water.

Headed back to Maggies at 1:30am, and warmly welcomed by Jessica, my Chinese bar maid. Again partied until 4:00 am with her. She introduced me to her boss, Jerry or Gary I can't remember. Had a drink with him, then drink with the bartender Peter, and the god know who else. After few shots of brandy and whisky. Jessica is totally wasted. At one point she loses balance and falls down and takes me along with her. At this point I think the time has come for me to go home. It is 4:00 am and it is too late to pick up Zhenya from russian restaurant and I am too wasted to perform anyway. Now I am back here again totally wasted and typing this report.

I think next two day, I will be going to Holywood early and get early release and possibly second visit to holywood. Then head over to Maggie to party with barmaid, the close the day by going back to to russian crew in restaurant. We will see.

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Bad Boy Billy

09-07-07, 01:03

Tiger 888

09-07-07, 02:23

Intransit remains on the wagon, but an AFF-using female friend of his said that she has trouble responding to AFF messages, that the number that one must type in in order to prevent spam doesn't appear in China. Anyone else having this problem? If so, have you found a way to solve it?I believe that this might be a problem of an incompatible web browser (I normally use firefox. Whenever something doesn't work as it is supposed to I would try IE. Most of the time that fixes the problem). It could also be a problem with the security settings of the browser. Normally if a site is blocked they block the IP number and you can't connect at all.

Sammy_T

09-07-07, 03:05

Billy thinks its time Intransit 'fell' off the wagon, was 'pushed' off or basically just decided to come back in from the cold - we miss you my friend.

SECONDED! Intransit's insight into the Golden Horde dynamic is invaluable!

Bad Boy Billy

09-07-07, 06:42

Billy noticed something really strange at Hollywood last Saturday night.

The 'Moscow Gang' that frequent the far end of bar from entrance were ALL ABSENT - not 1 of them in the bar all night.

I waited for over 2 hours for the 'Movie Star' to stroll in but she let me down - so I had plenty of time to observe all happening in there that night.

Still love the look on the face of the young blonde stunner who Sammy had 'requested' from the 'mamasan' for his friend that night.

When 'blondie' walked over you should have seen the look on her face when she thought 'mamasan' was teeing her up for Sammy - a look of total fear.

Not that Sammy is an unattractive man - indeed he is rather striking - but 'blonde stunner' just DOES NOT go with westerners - UN-FUCKING-BELIEVABLE.

She is the most ANTI-WESTERN-GUY w.h.o.r.e I have ever seen in my life - such a shame as she is SO BEAUTIFUL.

Anothere REALLY ATTRACTIVE Russian w.h.o.r.e I spotted in Beijing was in The Den - smallish brunetts Arina from Moscow - cracking body - offered me RMB1,000 ST - I confirmed DFK was ok but only CBJ - so I knocked her back. She has a couple of dinasour Russian friends working The Den with her.

FUCK I MISS BEIJING.

Bad Boy Billy

09-07-07, 07:13

I think the major reason I LOVE Beijing so much is the sheer variety of girls available.

On this last visit I fucked girls from the following countries:
1. China
2. Mongolia
3. Russia
4. Ukraine
5. Turkey
6. Rwanda
7. Congo
8. Uzbekistan

As far as shape, size, colour and variety - I rank Beijing as No 2 destination in the world.

No 1 ?

Without a doubt..................Brazil..................you get all these varieties, colours, shapes and descriptions in the ONE BAR AT THE ONE TIME - that bar is named "Help" - right opposite the beach in Copacabana.

My god I love Beijing......................My god I love Brazil

Albert Punter

09-07-07, 08:59

Albert Punter

09-07-07, 09:01

I have no doubts either

...
No 1 ?
Without a doubt..................Brazil..................you get all these varieties, colours, shapes and descriptions
...

Zhuren

09-07-07, 12:50

From what I read from this thread, they don't discriminate Asians, but Chinese only.
So, in case you go there and your faces look Chinese, don't speak Chinese (even if you know this language) but English only.

Girls don't care how many stars is hotel you bring them in.

I wouldn't call it discrimination ... just being discriminate in their choice of guests.

They simply dont't want the local populace to get involved in any of the dealings, be it on the receiving or be it on the providing end.

That's why all the WGs are non-Chinese, and that's why all guests are kept same. This (and their formidable security force) makes M's the safest place in Beijing.

The girls usually don't care about the stars (appreciate them though.) However, the hotels with more stars usually care less about girls brought than the hotels with fewer stars ....

Member #3421

09-07-07, 14:54

Sorry about confusion. I guess way I wrote it did make it difficult to interprete. That is what happens when you type your report drunk after party 4:00 am everyday. It is Anastasia who I sent home. She was trying to put the condom on as soon as I got out of shower and light was totally off except the light from TV. Got suspicious and turn the light on and saw what I saw. Small genital wart but nevertheless a genital wart. Sent her home on her way. But up until that point it was going quite well. Much more interactive. One hell of body. She does have shorter red hair about shoulder lenght compare to her friend I haven't tried who has longer red hair. Beautiful facial features, but in better light, she does have poor complexion.

Thanks, Buttman, but I'll follow up again because it sounds (unfortunately) like Anastasia from the second paragraph was not the short redhead from the first paragraph. Anastasia: interactive, one hell of a body, shorter red hair, good face, somewhat poor complexion. If it's the same Anastasia as I know, she was tall (about 5'10", or about 178 cm) and slender with a spectacular body and a nice in-proportion rack (not too big, not too small, firm). Can you confirm?

NBG

Misakimao

09-07-07, 20:56

I will in Beijing from Saturday.

Usually, I went to passion to spend time.

But I felt that the choice of girls is limited. (that is too bad.)

And the number of provider there at weekend is less than week day.

I tried 5 girls there and they are all regulars.

Just about 10-20 just stay in the bar, other gorgeous just stay in waiting room for KTV.

About 1/4 are tried ones, too bad for limit of choices.

I am thinking about going to maggies or Xizhang Hotel(One of my friend suggest me that the place is good place for pick girls; they have bar and KTV. )

How is the current status of Maggies in Weekend?, if the choices there is limited, I will try Xizhang Hotel.

Bad Boy Billy

09-07-07, 23:40

Member #3421

09-08-07, 02:57

NBG relax mate - obviously different girl - so neither your dick nor my dick is going to drop off this week.

So mate - back to normal yet?

Now after a few weeks amongst the Beijing pussy do you now hate your daily environment as much as I do?

Once again BBB is right -- at least about the daily environment part. Normal? I don't know what normal is anymore! I can't want to return: I think I have less patience now for bullshit, and I notice more of it every day.

As for the rest, maybe I didn't read it carefully enough. However, there's nothing to do about it now. As usual, all we can do is play safe and hope for the best. As many a wise monger has said, if you can't handle and manage the risk, don't play.

Make a trip to Hollywood for me, mate -- you may get back there before I do at this rate!

NBG

Eaglestar

09-08-07, 02:58

Garry Hornman

09-08-07, 04:07

I am choosing either Beijing or TianJing as my first stop for my fall break sex spree :O. So what do you guys think, quality and cost wise? IIRC, you guys mentioned bars in Beijing discriminate against Asian-looking dudes? I'm very asian-looking myself (hell, I'm Chinese-American, while I haven't screwed any of my hometown gals yet, unfortunately :(( ). so China pussy here I come! Any thoughts would be highly appreciated. Oh, I can also speak some mandarin.

Garry Hornman

09-08-07, 04:28

I am choosing either Beijing or TianJing as my first stop for my fall break sex spree :O. So what do you guys think, quality and cost wise? IIRC, you guys mentioned bars in Beijing discriminate against Asian-looking dudes? I'm very asian-looking myself (hell, I'm Chinese-American, while I haven't screwed any of my hometown gals yet, unfortunately :(( ). So China pussy here I come! Any thoughts would be highly appreciated. Oh, I can also speak some mandarin.

Bad Boy Billy

09-08-07, 05:28

Any of you guys staying in Beijing who want to Dial-A-Russian - call Galina on 131 2188 8222.

No these girls are not associated with me NOR do I get one single $ from it - just trying to help.

Galina is the 'mamasan' of the 'Moscow Gang' girls who frequent Hollywood. She is available from early afternoon on to receive calls and will send a girl direct to your room.

RMB800 ST + taxi - use it if you want.

Nite_Runner

09-08-07, 07:40

It has been reported that the government has blocked AFF here. Anyone with an AFF handle can access it via www.chinesefriendfinder.com.

I do it regularly.

ESYou have to have a CFF account as I have a AFF account and I do not have access...

n_r

Nite_Runner

09-08-07, 07:41

Xiangjiao

09-08-07, 09:08

Garry,

I am choosing either Beijing or TianJing as my first stop for my fall break sex spree :O. So what do you guys think, quality and cost wise? IIRC, you guys mentioned bars in Beijing discriminate against Asian-looking dudes? I'm very asian-looking myself (hell, I'm Chinese-American, while I haven't screwed any of my hometown gals yet, unfortunately :(( ). So China pussy here I come! Any thoughts would be highly appreciated. Oh, I can also speak some mandarin.

The only discrimination I've experienced with working girls here has been with the Mongolians. Prejudice might actually work in your favor with the Russians and Chinese.

Eaglestar

09-08-07, 10:25

You have to have a CFF account as I have a AFF account and I do not have access...

n_r

Who knows? AFF is not the most user friendly site around and the people who run it have no conception of customer service.

I have an AFF account as a standard member and access it via CFF regularly. Maybe there are other problems below the surface we will never know about.

ES

NY Buttman

09-08-07, 11:44

Thanks, Buttman, but I'll follow up again because it sounds (unfortunately) like Anastasia from the second paragraph was not the short redhead from the first paragraph. Anastasia: interactive, one hell of a body, shorter red hair, good face, somewhat poor complexion. If it's the same Anastasia as I know, she was tall (about 5'10", or about 178 cm) and slender with a spectacular body and a nice in-proportion rack (not too big, not too small, firm). Can you confirm?

NBGActually now I realize there are 3 red heads in that russian group. Two has about shoulder length hair and third has longer hair to shoulder blade. Longer hair one is slightly shorter and has slightly more meat on her frame, even though by USA standard, fabulous body neverthless. Two shorter red haired girls are both very slender frame. Has hell of knockers, tight buns, and tiny waist. They seem about same height. One I took home is about 5'10". The other one seemed about the same height, but can't be sure. Even if that girl is the same one you took home, it is unlikely you will get it on one contact. I just didn't feel like taking chance.

OldAsiaHand

09-08-07, 11:51

I must respectfully disagree. Growing up in North America I may have a slanted definition of what "passion" actually is, but I think I have felt it with working girls.

Sorry for the off topic post, but my insight is primarily with Mongolian girls, not Chinese girls. Since there are so many Mongolian girls working Beijing I think people reading this forum might find it useful.

Sammy

Sammy,

Without question, Mongolian WG are far more "passionate" than their Chinese counterparts. This is why I do 90% Mongolian in Beijing and yearn to visit Beijing for this purpose.

My definition of passion may differ from yours. I equate it to service. IMHO, GFE = Passion. However, I believe it is nearly always an act with WG. Some just fake it better than others.

Having said that, I almost never "get to know" a WG before I do her the first time. And, I very rarely repeat. So, I never develop the "relationship" to which you refer.

I imagine that it is possible for a WG to "fall in love" with a monger and at this point there may be some passion involved. However, if the transaction is purely commercial, I still say most WG turn off the emotion and do their jobs.

Just my POV.

OAH

Travelin Guy

09-08-07, 15:58

...responding to AFF messages, that the number that one must type in in order to prevent spam doesn't appear in China. Anyone else having this problem? If so, have you found a way to solve it?I can definitely confirm this problem. I noticed it first from an internet connection which I often use in Shanghai, then again in Beijing when accessing the internet from a serviced apt here. I noticed an add on the site from a person in southern China which also mentioned this problem in their profile. So we can assume it is a China wide issue, or at least on the eastern half of China.

Solution for me is to log in to my company's VPN and access the XMatch site from there, which routes my connection through a server in Hong Kong. Then the confirmation number is visible and messages can be sent.

I wonder if using a free proxy server could achieve the same success? I haven't tried that yet.

Member #3421

09-08-07, 17:12

BBB -

Headed to BJ next month on biz - if I might ask, what is the quality of her "gang"?

n_r

I think Billy would agree that she has many different types. I only tried one of her girls, but there were definitely a few others I would try. I'd put a good handful at 8-9.5 body, 7-9 face. I'd recommend going to Hollywood in person at least the first time, but if you need some action mid-afternoon that may not be an option. Roll the dice and let us know.

NBG

NY Buttman

09-08-07, 22:46

Again it is 5:00am on Sunday morning. I will be boarding the plane back to states in few hours. It was a hell of trip. Spent a small fortune, enough to by a small car, but it was worthied.

I think I got pretty much what I wanted, given no Chinese skills. Those who lives here probably think I barely scratched surface. I am not sure if I am going to be comming back this way, then again who knows. Thailand and German FKK awaits.

As planned, saw Zhenya and 18y. O. Anisha again on each of two days. Even though we try, sometimes it is hard to keep emotions in check. Been on this hobby for sometime, and still things get out of hand sometimes. I can only imagine what a 18 or 19 y. O. Providers go through until they get hardened. I won't bore you with details, but I will just say I inadvertantly did emotionally hurt someone on this trip. We all think it is just simple economic of pay for play, but sometimes it does get out of hand. Making that connetion with the provider does enhance the experience, but I guess if you play with fire you will get burn, or burn others.

Bad Boy Billy

09-09-07, 03:33

BBB -

Headed to BJ next month on biz - if I might ask, what is the quality of her "gang"?

n_r

Quality?

From STUNNING to BUTT UGLY.

The young BLONDE STUNNER is just exquisite - but alas - f**ks chinese only - and from a first hand report is a terrible f**k.

A certain brunette / redhead whom Billy and NBG bowled over is a SENSATIONAL f**k - great body - adores doggie.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder - and her team changes consistently - go take a look 1 night - take mental notes - up to you.

I only provided that contact number as I know some guys will NEVER go to Hollywood - or that daytime suits better.

Bad Boy Billy

09-09-07, 03:50

NBG - Billy is just wondering about your current 'mental state'.

Now that you are SCARRED FOR LIFE due to your exposure to the smorgasbord of delicious Beijing pussy - I want to re-assure you that you’re now totally confused 'mental state' is indeed NORMAL.

1. When you head out to dinner nowadays in your home city - those continually flashing thoughts of the US$150 to US$250 that you are going to spend on dinner could be spent so much wiser - like the RMB50 for 2 pints of Tsingtao and a spicy chicken pizza at The Den - then the RMB800 ST from Hollywood then the RMB1000 LT from Maggies.

2. The fits of jealousy towards Sammy, Zhuren, OAH etc because they actually LIVE AMONGST pussy heaven are also normal.

It is the mark of a REAL MAN if he can control these aforementioned thought patterns and remain SANE until next Beijing visit.

Yes my friend I agree with EXACTLY what you are thinking right now - that next visit is way too far away.

Member #3421

09-09-07, 04:03

Ragnarok42

09-09-07, 09:26

Went looking for #16 in 419 since seems all the reports tell me she is amazing. But honestly, when she walking in I was like "is this some joke by the senior members?", but soon I was pleasantly surprised.

#16 has a great personality, fun and relaxed. She was geniunely surprised that she is so talked about on the internet. She was slow and deliberate, you could tell she was a real pro and knew how to control a guy.

She is a real sweet talker, saying how good I must be in the sack since I was so hard, that I was a real lady killer, etc. She even got horny when I started to touch her pussy and breasts. Kept on grinding her pussy into my finger and told me to stop seducing her. While her face and body are plain she made me want to f*ck her like crazy by this point. Did this Cat and Mouse for about an hour and then she put it into overdrive, made me cum so hard I saw stars.

I asked her when she gets off work but she says she lives in the store, however they do have delivery (cab fare +standard massage fare). And she can come at any hour of the day. Damn convenient. Going to take a nap and will call her tonight, see just how far she will let me go with her in the privacy of my hotel room. If she is anywhere near as good as she is with her hands, I will not survive to post a follow up. Total damage 160 RMB, no showers there so better to go back as soon as you are finished. Definately a repeat place, saw some stunners on the way out and the girl at the front desk is a looker as well, who knows, maybe they deliver in pairs.

Number 16 at 419 is remarkable. I would rate her better than # 22.

There are almost one MP in every building. MP in building 417 offers FS but quality may not be upto mark. Didn't try. That in 411 also offers BJ like 419 and the price is same i.e. Y 160 but 419 is matchless.

Misakimao

09-09-07, 14:32

There are several types of providers in China.

1) Chinese girls in Bar and KTV

A few years ago, you can find it easily but now it become more difficult

Even in Passion, you cannot find real good ones.

In daylight, the faces are not so attractive. I found very nice one.

Now the regulars are not recommended from my experiences.

(not worth the price)

For KTVs, you should go as early as possible.

Sometmes Local KTVs are better than famous ones

(6-8 PM is best time, sometimes 8 PM is too late)

Recommend that do not choose girls who looks best in the KTV.

Usually Too proud to satisfy her clients.

* go to KTV with mamasan whom you knows or your friend knows.

(I am too stupid to write this kind of simple lesson)

2) Mongolian

Just 2 times and both were good.

In daylight without makeup, there are no big differences between Good Mongolian

Girl and Passion WGs(you can find Makeup and Plastic surgery
make big difference in night.)

* Aces in KTVs are very very beautiful, but if you do not have relationship
with KTV, you do not have chance to get real beauties.

3) Street WGs

Willing to serve clients. but not so clean.

4) Massage Girls

Serve their clients in routine course (too professional and too comfortable)

Go to the place newly opened. ( Not recommend too big ones.

3-4 stories building sauna is usually good choice)

Just open means that they are trying to do best to advertise and promote

5) Outcall

Not tried, Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

In Beijing, not successfule.

In Shenyang, always successful

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Zhuren

09-09-07, 15:20

I can definitely confirm this problem. I noticed it first from an internet connection which I often use in Shanghai, then again in Beijing when accessing the internet from a serviced apt here. I noticed an add on the site from a person in southern China which also mentioned this problem in their profile. So we can assume it is a China wide issue, or at least on the eastern half of China.

It's an issue of the Great Firewall of China. And this one is not without certain humor.

- To the uninitiated, China employs supposedly 40000 people (as usual, Chinese numbers are lowballed, assume 100K ...) who do nothing else than watching the internet, and block access to sites that are considered harmful to the Chinese populace. It's their country, and we are guests here, so I will not put a value judgement on that. (And before someone yells & screams: Europe passed a law that mandates that all connection data will be stored until kingdom come. And in the US there is no such thing as Internet privacy. In the words of Kris Kristofferson: "The law is for protection of the people, rules are rules as any fool can see." )

- Usually, access to certain sites is just blocked. It's done at the ISP level, and there is no real co-ordination. From one net, you may be able to access site A, and from the other you can't.

- Now with AFF, the situation gets funny. http://adultfriendfinder.com is just blocked, plain and simple. The more raunchier http://alt.com had been unblocked much longer, but it's blocked now as well. Then a cat & mouse game started. http://passion.com was put in place of http://adultfriendfinder.com . Passion was blocked. Then http://xmatch.com was put in place. Someone got sick of the cat & mouse game, and did something clever: They left xmatch open, but blocked acces to http://affimg.pop6.com ... which hosts the confirmation number system of all AFF related messaging.

- So anybody in China can peruse xmatch, look at the naked pictures, read email, but they cannot SEND email via the AFF system. Very frustrating. But a clever move.

Techniques to circumvent the firewall are beyond the scope of this post.

While on the topic, I'd like to reiterate to keep this forum free of any discussion regarding politics or issues that may be deemed objectionable in the PRC. Sex obviously is not objectionable, otherwise this site would be long closed. If it gets shut off in China, then it will be due to irresponsible posts on behalf of irresposible members. Stick to the topic of this site, and the site will be fine. Discuss politics, and it will be shuttered.

Misakimao

09-09-07, 16:21

Passion was known for best place for purchasing qualified and luxurious service in the industry.

I believe that now the age was gone.

Now there just 10 regulars (better girls are just staying KTV waiting room.
But I am suspecting that good ones leaved to other bar or KTV.

Here is some information of providers.

They are just freebies so they are naturally street walkers with good bar.
Some believed that

1. Girl call by herself Shansha
- Her real family name is Lee (25 or 26)
- Decent english
- With no makeup, her face is attractive.(Always no makeup).
In real face, she is quite one
- Very slim and nice waste 20 or 21. ( She told me that she do not eat food after 6PM since she was 15.)
- height : 168cm
- Plastic Surgery tits( Personally, I prefer small ones and do not like artifical)
- very brave girl to travel Dubai just after graduation from high school
- before she worked for real estate company, her boss request her to sleep with her without reward. after that she decided to change her job
- Loud and action and enthusiastic
- Always kind to her clients and do best to take care of her mother in shenyang
- return home early (about 12PM)
- Sevice quality : 8
- will not be a bad choice

2. Girl named Wangdan
- She is from HangZhou
- no english skills but clever enough to understand( also successful)
- started business from 20 year and worked for 9 years
- very nice body ( her clothes were conservative to hide her secret)
- big tits with gracious body line (168-170cm)
- face without makeup : so nice
- white and soft skin
- do everything to make clients happy ( service quality : 9.5)
- Now I cannot find her, maybe she leves to other KTV
- She took me hotel with her BMW

3. Girl claimed that she is racing girl
- 168-170cm
- From Sichuan province.
- Always stay till 2AM.
- decent english skill
- not a good skin
- Funny Face style face(Movie of Audrie); looks so nice in the light of bar
- Anyway, have a nice attitude to treat clients well
- she is finding boy friend to help her. ( She had boy friend in Hongkong)

4. Girl looks like mxied blood between Xinjiang and Chinese
- too small (looks like less than 165cm)
- Always stay till 2AM.
- felt that she is too poor to get her clients. ( I also do not want her)

5. Hongkong girl named Wangyueying in Cantonese(Wang ?? Rong in beijing)
- big tits and chubby body
- bad attitude in bed. ( do not allow customer to touch her when sleeping)
- always stay there till 1 AM
- not loud in action, very loud and arrogant in negotion.
- Face without makeup is horrible.
- I was too stupid to try her.
- Previously worked in department store of Hongkong
- nice in bar, bad in bed and room
- poor english skill

6. Girl with funny hair cut( Straight hair ; hard to express for my limited english)
- For Chinese young males, her face is very attractive( in face, best in bar
will be different for others)
- no english skills
- not entusiastic in getting 500RMB or 3000RMB
- probably working for model or other entertainment industry
- Ask 100RMB each people for drink, that is her way of making money
- She is spreading a information of guest to other girls.

7. Girl from Capital College of Education
- She has 2 names for 2 appearance : Wang Xue 1st time, Wang Lan 2nd time
- decent english skills
- Graduate from Capital College of Education, quit to be a teacher after she knows the truth of life
- Home is Shanghai
- Skin is not so good.
- Working in weekend and looking for job in weekdays.

8. two Lilis
- One : tall and thin like chopstic but some said that she is very kind
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- The other : tall and slim ( nice waste with small or midsize tits)
I wanted to try her but I decided not to waste money, time, emotions
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I hope someone to try her and summit report

P.S.
- The WGS are sharing information on guest like us
and pretend that they do not know some guys even the girls know him
then tell "Please try me, i am very good."
- There is agreements between them 1 shot for 3000, 1 night for 5000.

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Zhuren

09-09-07, 16:25

I don’t know why this „passion“ topic is so big. All I can say is: Be careful with generalizations. People are people, and people are different.

Let me preface this that for many years I have been good friends with two very successful mamasans on two continents (not in China.) I know most of their girls, some sexually, some as pure friends, some in my role as “friend of the boss.” This has given me deeper insight from the other perspective. I know their private lives. I know their problems, and their likings.

1.) People in the sex business are like people in any other business. Some hate their job, some love it. Some treat a customer as a nuisance, some do what is expected, some really strive to excel. “Attitude” is key in the service industry, and especially to this kind of service industry.

2.) To some, working in the sex industry has a dulling effect. Picture working in a sausage factory. Sausages would lose their appeal to you pretty soon. To some girls, inability to love becomes an occupational hazard after a while. Doing a good gob, giving good emotion can be exhausting and draining. That’s why in countries and continents where lesbianism is accepted, many WGs actually turn lesbian to get the true affection they don’t receive “on the job.”

3.) Faking an orgasm can be annoying if it’s done badly. Now we as Westerens should talk. Many Western women never reach a climax during sex, and fake it. Or they just wait until the guy is done.

4.) Now for some myths of the industry:

- “They are just in it for the money.” Many are. But a large number, especially submissive types, are actually attracted by the sex. Call it turning a hobby into a profession.

- “They never fall in love with a customer.” Nonsense. According to both inside sources, falling in love with a customer is an occupational hazard and happens all the time. According to one mamasan, “falling in love with a customer is the greatest cause of attrition.” The “they never fall in love with a customer” myth is kept alive to shield the industry from even greater attrition. And there are tons of guys out there who see it as their mission in life to "rescue" WGs.

- “They never have a real orgasm.” Baloney. Some do. Some don’t. Some try not to, because it can be exhausting. According to my circumstantial research, the rate of true climax amongst Asian WG is much higher than that of Western WGs, possibly because of paragraph 3.

- “There is no emotion.” Nonsense. Some just do their job badly and should work in a sausage factory. Some can deliver true emotion. But it needs two to tango. You usually (not always) get better service at an airline counter or in a restaurant if you treat the service provider with respect, and charm, and you usually are treated badly if you treat them badly. Notice “usually.” Your rate of success is simply higher if you invest a little more in the transaction. If you just want the cheapest form of sexual stimulation, then simply take the matter in your own hands.

Xiangjiao

09-10-07, 08:41

Beijing Fox

09-10-07, 08:54

I think this is a very good explanation of the facts. I would define a WG's "passion" as "proactive service delivery"

BTW, I'm recently experiencing a general decline of proactiveness with Maggie's girls. Is this a common trend or just me choosing the wrong girls. What is your experience?

I don’t know why this „passion“ topic is so big. Be careful with generalizations.

Let me preface that I for many years I have been good friends with two very successful mamasans on two continents (not in China.) I know most of their girls, some sexually, some as pure friends, some in my role as “friend of the boss.” This has given me deeper insight from the other perspective. I know their private lives. I know their problems, and their likings.

1.) People in the sex business are like people in any other business. Some hate their job, some love it. Some treat a customer as a nuisance, some do what is expected, some really strive to excel. “Attitude” is key to the service industry, and especially to this kind of service industry.

2.) To some, working in the sex industry has a dulling effect. Picture working in a sausage factory. Sausages would lose their appeal to you pretty soon. To some girls, inability to love becomes an occupational hazard after a while. Doing a good gob, giving good emotion can be exhausting and draining. That’s why in countries and continents where lesbianism is accepted, many WGs actually turn lesbian to get the true affection they don’t receive “on the job.”

3.) Faking an orgasm can be annoying if it’s done badly. Now we as Westerens should talk. Many Western women never reach a climax during sex, and fake it. Or they just wait until the guy is done.

4.) Now for some myths of the industry:

- “They are just in it for the money.” Many are. But a large number, especially submissive types, are actually attracted by the sex. Call it turning a hobby into a profession.

- “They never fall in love with a customer.” Nonsense. According to both inside sources, falling in love with a customer is an occupational hazard and happens all the time. According to one mamasan, “falling in love with a customer is the greatest cause of attrition.” The “they never fall in love with a customer” myth is kept alive to shield the industry from even greater attrition. And there are tons of guys out there who see it as their mission in life to "rescue" WGs.

- “They never have a real orgasm.” Baloney. Some do. Some don’t. Some try not to, because it can be exhausting. According to my circumstantial research, the rate of true climax amongst Asian WG is much higher than that of Western WGs, possibly because of paragraph 3.

- “There is no emotion.” Nonsense. Some just do their job badly and should work in a sausage factory. Some can deliver true emotion. But it needs two to tango. You usually (not always) get better service at an airline counter or in a restaurant if you treat the service provider with respect, and charm, and you usually are treated badly if you treat them badly. Notice “usually.” Your rate of success is simply higher if you invest a little more in the transaction. If you just want the cheapest form of sexual stimulation, then simply take the matter in your own hands.

Misakimao

09-10-07, 11:34

Xianjiao

Call Price for 1 shot is 3000RMB and if you can discount to 2000RMB.

Call price for full night is 5000RMB and if you acn discount to 3000-2500RMB

If you wait until 2 AM, girls are begging you to take but it is not recommendable. (In that case, 2500RMB for full night)

For quality one(who return home before 1 AM), 3500-4000RMB for
full night.

3000RMB and 5000RMB is displayed price.

Are you saying the standard price for these girls is 1SOG for 3000, and LT for 5000? Is that what you paid? This seems kind of high, even for Passion. I saw somewhere else on this forum that you can get a Passion girl LT for 2500 if you take her at the end of the night (2am).

John Euro

09-10-07, 12:30

Hi brothers,

I will stay in the Beijing Regent Hotel within 3 weeks ,this for only one night, I know that this is in a very quit area but someone else as done this booking for me and no way to change, I cant take a taxi ride to other mongering areas due to the evening business dinner and my wife is travelling also with me this time, I only have the chance to visit the hotel Spa late evening or maybe a Chinese bath house or sauna if it’s just next door.

Can someone let me know if extra’s are available in the Rengent Spa or a sauna in the same block . Nothing to find when RTTF under this hotel name or area .

Thanks in advance

John Euro

Nobody Doe

09-10-07, 22:41

Hi Xiangjiao and Misakimao,

I am the guy who wrote the report of 2500RMB LT at the Passions around 2AM, Sunday night. Unfortunately I picked "Wang Rong" below, and just like Misakimao's report, she is not that good. :( She was trying to trick me to teach her English, computer and finding real estate information on the net, and implied I could exchange these for free sex. I was so stupid to believe her crap.

I also met a girl, whose face is cuter with big eyes, but her skin is darker. I don't know if she is one of the "10 regulars", as I am not able to identify her in Misakimao's report below. I didn't pick her because of her darker skin (so I picked Wang Rong), but perhaps that was my mistake to not to pick her. She also agreed 2500RMB LT, after a loud yelling at my initial offering of 2000RMB LT.

Wang Rong and the other girl above were the only two girls available at that time. There are another girl called "Qian Qian" (sounds like "thousand" 千 in Chinese), who's a friend of Wang Rong. Qian Qian proactively left her phone number to me, and then she went to somewhere else. The darker skin girl said she wouldn't go out with customers, and then after I picked Wang Rong, Wang said she was lying and Qian Qian does go out with customers. I also could not identify Qian Qian from Misakimao's report below.

And I still recall the time when I visited the old Passions in 2001, the girls there were so great. I also read a Chinese report (wrote by another Taiwan guy) that he spent 5000RMB for LT and the girl had so many different kinds of “costumes” and so great at delight customers (so he was happy with the 5000RMB damage.) I heard from Wang Rong that these kinds of girls still exist at The Passions for 5000RMB, and she said she could introduce them. Wang Rong also said she would introduce many good Passions WGs or other places WGs w/o "middleman charges", but I am just not able to trust her anymore. Wang Rong also said the minimal rate for LT is 3000RMB, and she never did 2500RMB before. But I read a report here dated 2005 that it is possible to get 2500RMB LT, given a slow night, more girls then men, and with a great deal of negotiation.

Passion was known for best place for purchasing qualified and luxurious service in the industry.

I believe that now the age was gone.

5. Hongkong girl named Wangyueying in Cantonese(Wang ?? Rong in beijing)
- big tits and chubby body
- bad attitude in bed. ( do not allow customer to touch her when sleeping)
- always stay there till 1 AM
- not loud in action, very loud and arrogant in negotion.
- Face without makeup is horrible.
- I was too stupid to try her.
- Previously worked in department store of Hongkong
- nice in bar, bad in bed and room
- poor english skillEDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Nobody Doe

09-10-07, 22:59

OldAsiaHand

09-11-07, 01:59

Bad Boy Billy

09-11-07, 05:30

At the old Passion, the rate was 1,500 ST, 3,000 LT. I only did ST once since this was too pricey for my blood. The service was only mediocre. Have the rates gone up that much since they reopened?

OAH

The rates have always been WAY TOO HIGH for those overpriced / under performing / conceited / stuck up *****es - far better value in almost ALL other locations in Beijing.

Mcavity

09-11-07, 11:33

Pleasant surprise last week on a trip to Beijing. Noticed a clutch of BBS on the corner of Dongdaqiao Lu and Ritan Beilu - the main drag from the Landao Store to Silk Market. Loads of tourists etc. About 5 shops seem to have sprung up right on the corner, some looking more respectable than others. Went into one with the ****tiest looking girls and was pleasantly surprised with the choice. Young beauty from Wenzhou - Xiao Lin. Into a back room for an excellent oily handjob with plenty of access to pussy and tits. Another girl came in trying to upsell but told her to get lost. Agreed price for one girl 300 rmb. Xiao Lin did her best to get a second coming out of me and good massage as well. A really enjoyable hour in the end. Know the price is high by Chinese standards but location in the middle of Beijing is very convenient for a daytime unwind.. DNK if FS is on offer on the premises but sure something could have been arranged – alas no opportunity for me to explore this possibility. Perhaps someone else can try and report back. One thing for certain – these shops won’t be still in business next Summer!

Albert Punter

09-11-07, 12:14

I remember 7-8 years ago I had a couple of experiences with Passion girls (staying at Great Wall Sheraton at that time).
I paid between 1500 and 2000 for LT.
Look and performance were of my great liking.

With one of this girl, I had met a few times, by calling her direct on mobile phone. It was nice as sometimes we had dinner together before moving to bed.
It was an experience full of "passion" too. Particularly I recall a day we had sex session in afternoon, then we moved to Qianmen Quanjude restaurant, and then moved back to hotel for many more sessions.

At the old Passion, the rate was 1,500 ST, 3,000 LT. I only did ST once since this was too pricey for my blood. The service was only mediocre. Have the rates gone up that much since they reopened?

OAH

Misakimao

09-11-07, 13:48

The price is rocket-rising in Big Cities of China.

But the quality and service do not follow.

Anyway, there are a lot of legends in old China (about 92)

Something like Just lent a KTV full night and 3-4 guys had sessions with all 5-6 service staffs for 200-300USD.

I really envy them.

But the age is gone. now the net and mobile is important key for chances.

I remember 7-8 years ago I had a couple of experiences with Passion girls (staying at Great Wall Sheraton at that time).

I paid between 1500 and 2000 for LT.

Look and performance were of my great liking.

With one of this girl, I had met a few times, by calling her direct on mobile phone. It was nice as sometimes we had dinner together before moving to bed.
It was an experience full of "passion" too. Particularly I recall a day we had sex session in afternoon, then we moved to Qianmen Quanjude restaurant, and then moved back to hotel for many more sessions.

Tphotog96

09-11-07, 13:49

Title says it all.

Second time in BJ, this time for 2 days instead of 1 so thought I might go hunting.

Bad Boy Billy

09-11-07, 23:23

pleasant surprise last week on a trip to beijing. noticed a clutch of bbs on the corner of dongdaqiao lu and ritan beilu - the main drag from the landao store to silk market. loads of tourists etc. about 5 shops seem to have sprung up right on the corner, some looking more respectable than others. went into one with the ****tiest looking girls and was pleasantly surprised with the choice. young beauty from wenzhou - xiao lin. into a back room for an excellent oily handjob with plenty of access to pussy and tits. another girl came in trying to upsell but told her to get lost. agreed price for one girl 300 rmb. xiao lin did her best to get a second coming out of me and good massage as well. a really enjoyable hour in the end. know the price is high by chinese standards but location in the middle of beijing is very convenient for a daytime unwind.. dnk if fs is on offer on the premises but sure something could have been arranged – alas no opportunity for me to explore this possibility. perhaps someone else can try and report back. one thing for certain – these shops won’t be still in business next summer!

interesting post.

i have no idea where this location is - indeed i do not know beijing that well - am usually plastered when out and about

but

when i take a cab from the den to hollywood - - i always pass 3 or 4 bbs on a certain corner in 'the riussian quarter' - any chance these are the same bbs's?

i gotta admit - just peering in on way past quality always looks excellent.

i have been meaning to stop and look / sample - next time i definitely will and also give complete report.

last visit newbeijinguy and myself were literally 'out of the cab' to go look - but then we remembered the 'blondies' awaiting us in hollywood so we did not stop.

Intransit

09-12-07, 03:29

Tphoto,

Really far. Crowne Plaza Wuzhou is north fourth ring road. Maggie's is between the east second and third ring roads.

Makeupaname

09-12-07, 03:40

Irv Washington

09-12-07, 04:29

I can definitely confirm this problem. I noticed it first from an internet connection which I often use in Shanghai, then again in Beijing when accessing the internet from a serviced apt here. So we can assume it is a China wide issue, or at least on the eastern half of China.

Solution for me is to log in to my company's VPN and access the XMatch site from there, which routes my connection through a server in Hong Kong. Then the confirmation number is visible and messages can be sent.

I wonder if using a free proxy server could achieve the same success? I haven't tried that yet.

Hi all,

I've been looking through this board in detail in preparation for a trip to Beijing in the near future.

I'd like to ask about using ISG (this site) within China.

I've noticed many reports on here referring to websites being blocked within China and the need to use proxy servers or other methods to access particular sites.

Are there any such issues using ISG within China (especially in Beijing)? Am I likely to be able to use ISG in China without problems or is it necessary to use proxy servers etc?

Thanks to anyone who can help and in return I will post my experiences when I come to Beijing.

Irv

Tphotog96

09-12-07, 07:18

Tphoto,

Really far. Crowne Plaza Wuzhou is north fourth ring road. Maggie's is between the east second and third ring roads.Thanks Intransit,

So, aprt from the inhouse massage is there much in the vicinity of the Crowne Wuzhou, given all the construction for the Olympics in the area?

Albert Punter

09-12-07, 11:04

Found this map this morning: http://en.beijing2008.cn/06/78/emap.shtml

It is possible to search by categories only, as there is no search function by street name.
Tried Entertainment but, guess why, no one of places mentioned in this thread is listed :-(

Wonderer

09-12-07, 13:51

Hi Irv Washington,

I am traveling to many, many cities in China and regularly log in to the ISG website. So far, I have never experienced any problem. This is actually a surprise to me, but it's the real truth.

Wonderer

Hi all,

I've been looking through this board in detail in preparation for a trip to Beijing in the near future.

I'd like to ask about using ISG (this site) within China.

I've noticed many reports on here referring to websites being blocked within China and the need to use proxy servers or other methods to access particular sites.

Are there any such issues using ISG within China (especially in Beijing)? Am I likely to be able to use ISG in China without problems or is it necessary to use proxy servers etc?

Thanks to anyone who can help and in return I will post my experiences when I come to Beijing.

Irv

Albert Punter

09-12-07, 14:16

I never had problems in accessing ISG when in China, from many different locations.
This subject was discussed a few times already in General Information thread. Some members report inconveniences, some other report easy access at all times.

Anyhow, I suggest IRV Washington and others interested read here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-proxyservers.php

Guybert56

09-12-07, 14:42

The Google locator was great! I got there at about 4pm and actually thought I had made a huge mistake based on the 'ground crew' who could not communicate at all. My Chinese is pitiful. My fault. In any case, I managed to dodge the expensive PJ's and finally got up to the 4th floor and was told I could choose from a line up but they sent in one at a time and I fell for the first one. She is #825 and is cute as can be but very petite. She did the cat bath but I stopped her before she really got going as I liked the look in her eyes. I started caressing her like I think she wanted and invited her for some DATY that she tried to demure. When I asked again she allowed me to get really personal and she actually just gave herself over to the experience. YUMMY! Beautiful equipment but small chest. I like it that way, actually! She came once before we did some 69 and then put on the raincoat and we had many positions to try. She was awesome! She gave me her phone number and she has been texting me.

Damages. As expected, thanks to previous experiences, not a surprise. 850 for the full full service plus the 30 pj fee and suana fee brought it up to 928. VERY expensive for 4 pm in Shanghai but I guess normal for BJ.

Zhuren

09-12-07, 15:28

Currently, there are no issues whatsoever. The board is wide open. Keep it free of politics, and it will stay open. Bring politics in the discussion (you know who I mean ...) and it will be closed.

Hi all,

I've been looking through this board in detail in preparation for a trip to Beijing in the near future.

I'd like to ask about using ISG (this site) within China.

I've noticed many reports on here referring to websites being blocked within China and the need to use proxy servers or other methods to access particular sites.

Are there any such issues using ISG within China (especially in Beijing)? Am I likely to be able to use ISG in China without problems or is it necessary to use proxy servers etc?

Thanks to anyone who can help and in return I will post my experiences when I come to Beijing.

Irv

Mcavity

09-12-07, 15:55

interesting post.

i have no idea where this location is - indeed i do not know beijing that well - am usually plastered when out and about

but

when i take a cab from the den to hollywood - - i always pass 3 or 4 bbs on a certain corner in 'the riussian quarter' - any chance these are the same bbs's?

i gotta admit - just peering in on way past quality always looks excellent.

i have been meaning to stop and look / sample - next time i definitely will and also give complete report.

last visit newbeijinguy and myself were literally 'out of the cab' to go look - but then we remembered the 'blondies' awaiting us in hollywood so we did not stop.

billy,

yes these will be them. you'll have just done a right off the main drag on your way from the den to hollywood. just on the fringes of the "russian area" worlds better than the rip off joints near the lido.
happy hunting!

Beijing Fox

09-13-07, 14:05

Member #3421

09-13-07, 22:11

Dear Friends,

A couple of sauna visits in Shanghai have turned me into dedicated sauna fan.

I've started to explore saunas here in Beijing, but haven't found one yet as 'good' as the ones in Shanghai.

By 'good' I mean the establishment rather than the girls, in terns of cleanliness, friendliness, attentiveness, and interior design.

Could we possibly share our sauna experiences here? On average I explore a new one every week and I would love to compare notes in "The Quest for Beijing's Best Sauna" Facing 2008 could we possibly elevate into the rank of Olympic discipline?

In terms of the facilities, I was very impressed by the sauna I reported on up on Xueyuan Rd (or something like that) in Haidian. Not that I have any basis for comparison, but it was damn clean, the attendants were completely attentive, and there was a free buffet with nice lounging areas. Do a search, you'll find it.

NBG

Beijing Fox

09-14-07, 03:31

SidTheSexist

09-14-07, 07:08

I am currently In Shanghai and will be in Beijieng for about a month starting at the end of September. I enjoy the company of filipinas. Are there any bars in BJ that have a flock of pinays?I have tried the search function and did not find any useful info.Ive had a couple of flippers in Beijing but none of which were P4P. There aren't a great deal of them working as waitresses and as you know in Beijing they wouldnt have a bar fine anyway. However, there are a lot of flipper singers in the touristy sanlitun bars and theres often a few floating around watching them. I got very lucky in the Goose and Duck once with a friendly bunch who were in there drinking until about 6am.

Taire In China

09-14-07, 09:26

Hi All,

This is my first time posting here. As a newbie to this site I don't have much to add at the moment (bowing down in homage to all the senior members as we speak..lol), however in an attempt to recitify that I am planning a trip tonight with some out of town friends who want to head to a KTV.

I have tried reading through some posts to find some indication as to the site of the famed 'naked KTV' that some of you went on outings to in July, the only hint i can find was that the tour started at the pig, any chance anyone can give me some hints as to where it is?

I i make it there will post results :)

Thanks

Taire

Beijingrichard

09-14-07, 09:30

Beijing Fox,

If someone had FS at the Haidian spa, it was either a fluke or things have changed recently. It was not available early this year. I used to see one of the gals independently after she left there and she confirmed that.

Intransit

09-14-07, 10:55

Member #3421

09-14-07, 13:14

Dear NBG,

I think tried this place 10 days ago. Is it the one with the spa facilities in the basement (including pool with live fish), a restaurant at the top, etc.?

Yes, the place is very good, but something strange happened there. I went there with a Chinese friend whith whom I'm doing this research, but he was told that they don't have full-service, only Blow, Breast and Hand. The BJ was not bad. Than, a friend told me yesterday about the same place and that he had been there as well. He insists that he had FS.

So I wonder, what we may have done wrong there? Any Idea?

Yes, sounds like the same place, fish and everything. As I reported, I'm pretty certain FS is an option with the right girl (though in my particular case I declined the opportunity), while in another case I don't believe it was an option. YMMV.

NBG

Altea1500

09-14-07, 14:09

Is there anybody remember there was a place who can serve you 2 girl massage in Beijing.

I was read some news from this site.

Thank you

Bad Boy Billy

09-15-07, 01:18

Sid,

For those of us who have spent time on the south coast and elsewhere, please tell us more about said flippers (Filipinas for those who don't get the reference). Why are they here, how did you approach, what were they looking for?

I've always found Filipinas and Mongolians to be similar, surprisingly. Although they look very different, they are both usually exceptionally passionate in bed, extremely jealous, and are the only Asian cultures that kiss somewhat naturally (other family members, in public, etc.). That said, if they ever met on the battlefield, the Mongolians would eat the Filipinas. Also, flippers are generally devoid of even a shred of intellect, whereas I find the average Mongolian to be pretty with it.

I'm sure it will take another couple of years, but it will be interesting to see the migration of Filipinas to reach the north and specifically Maggie's. In Hong Kong, Filipinas dominate, whereas here, the cold and the preference for lighter skin will work against them.

Mate what an accurate post - unbelievably inciteful.

I have had probably 100 of each - Mongolians and Filipinos - you are spot on.

The hooker bars on Tongren Lu (Manhattan and Judys) in Shanghai are 'wall to wall' with Filipinos.

They want RMB800 and up for LT - you see guys 'wheeling' them out 1 after the other - so interesting.

On Oct 9 I will go to Sh for 3 nights - each night to these bars in search of Russians / Mongolians / Chinese - why not Filipinos you ask?

After leaving Sh on Oct 13 I go to Angeles City in Philippines for 4 nights on way back to Australia - cost of girls there - P1,200 barfine + P500 tip to girl next morning = Total P1,700 (US$37 / RMB280).

Do the maths guys - the Filipino girls will be flocking into Shanghai AND Beijing IF they can get Visas to get there.

Bad Boy Billy

09-15-07, 01:20

Is there anybody remember there was a place who can serve you 2 girl massage in Beijing.

I was read some news from this site.

Thank you

Mate walk into any massage centre and hold up 2 fingers - the management will have you in a 'head lock' in no time if they think you want a double header - it will be NO PROBLEM.

Beijing Fox

09-15-07, 07:29

When you come along the north side of 3rd ring road, going to that Spa, there is another sauna on the right side. Maybe 1-2 km before the Haidian Spa. It looks very big and has bright neonlights outside. It is on our research list for next week. Anybody ever been there?

Beijing Fox,

If someone had FS at the Haidian spa, it was either a fluke or things have changed recently. It was not available early this year. I used to see one of the gals independently after she left there and she confirmed that.

Beijing Fox

09-15-07, 07:39

A Philippina, who's seems to be a WG, has found me through one of my ads in "that's Beijing". She seems to be a freelancer and suggests to meet me in my appartment, when I'm back in Beijing next week.

I'm in Shanghai on Monday and will try my luck in Manhattan or Judy.
Have never been there. Any advice?

Thanks

Mate what an accurate post - unbelievably inciteful.

I have had probably 100 of each - Mongolians and Filipinos - you are spot on.

The hooker bars on Tongren Lu (Manhattan and Judys) in Shanghai are 'wall to wall' with Filipinos.

They want RMB800 and up for LT - you see guys 'wheeling' them out 1 after the other - so interesting.

On Oct 9 I will go to Sh for 3 nights - each night to these bars in search of Russians / Mongolians / Chinese - why not Filipinos you ask?

After leaving Sh on Oct 13 I go to Angeles City in Philippines for 4 nights on way back to Australia - cost of girls there - P1,200 barfine + P500 tip to girl next morning = Total P1,700 (US$37 / RMB280).

Do the maths guys - the Filipino girls will be flocking into Shanghai AND Beijing IF they can get Visas to get there.

Albert Punter

09-15-07, 16:38

Probably this is the only one I feel to give you, based on some other members' reports in SHA thread.

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I'm in Shanghai on Monday and will try my luck in Manhattan or Judy.
Have never been there. Any advice?

Thanks

Ragnarok42

09-15-07, 17:32

Number 16 at 419 is remarkable. I would rate her better than # 22.Sorry to disagree, but I have "done" both 16 and 22 and my money is squarely on 22. Much prettier with a fabulous ass, great technique. Has this under hand technique that I love. Still haven't been able to talk her into FS, but think she will let me in one or two more sessions. Cums loud as a banshee and hard enough to break the bed. As usual 160 plus cab fare for hotel delivery. Fantastic deal when compared to what I have been reading recently. 300 for a handjob? Give me a f*cking break.

Mark17

09-15-07, 21:13

Probably this is the only one I feel to give you, based on some other members' reports in SHA thread.Judy's has girls working there that will not leave with you, just want to have you buy them drinks. You should be able to spot them

Manhattan does not have any woriking girls all FL. You hve to negotiate.

If you want a new experience. Go over the the bar street that is near the Hilton. Can't remember the name.

First bar on the right side. You can get a BJ (CIM) next to the pool table in the back room. 200rmb. But they try to hustle the drinks on you.

A friend and I were in there for 2 hrs tonight, after visiting Malones, Manhattan and VG on Tongren Lu. , and left happy. Cost us 1100.

Bad Boy Billy

09-16-07, 01:27

Probably this is the only one I feel to give you, based on some other members' reports in SHA thread.

Just have your 'wits' about you mate.

YES there are 'ladyboys' plying their trade in both Manhattan and Judys - but invariably they stick close to entrance door.

In Manhattan - go deep into bar to left hand side where all the Filipino girls congregate around the tables - no problems here.

Similarly in Judys - on top of the 'step-up' to the left where all the couches are are all the Filipino girls - safe to take any of these.

The 'ladyboys' stand close to door and are invariably much taller than the real girls.

Have fun - and look on the bright side - if you do spear your stalk into a 'ladyboy' just chalk it up to experience - and DO NOT tell your friends - they will never EVER let you forget it.

Ascanio

09-16-07, 10:22

Here we are…

The organization:

I read the forum for 2 weeks before coming here, so I have to say thanks to all the punters that have been so good giving exactly the directions and the tips to make a good trip.

The plan:

5 days Beijing - 2 Xi’an - 5 Shanghai.

Coming from Italy with a direct fly to shanghai after 12 hours I arrived in Pudong and take the airplane to Beijing.

Getting to Kunlun Hotel ( I have to say many thanks for this) that’s an excellent 5 stars hotel totally girl friendly.

I was fucked up after 24 hours travel.

So I rest a bit and went to have dinner in the hotel and at 11 pm went to Maggie’s.

Excellent place… I think I have been in just in One better place in my life that is Club Riviera Barcelona SPAIN, so Maggie’s is in the 2nd place in my personal Ranking all over the world.

First girl that I met was a Chinese girl, “Ferry” a “drinking girl” who gave me some directions about restaurants and discos in Beijing. We stayed 1 hour together and she took 2 drink 100 Yuan each. Nice talking, she invite me to meet her outside the place in these days. We will see.

I left her thinking to move to Hollywood Disco, while the place now was completely full with girls and guys.

I was moving to the exit when I saw her for the 1st time.

Mongolian young stunner baby, a 9's for me. She was the best good looking girl inside the place in my POV, so I changed my mind and I took another Amaretto – Jack Daniel’s with Ice. It was my 4th.

After few minutes I saw her again and just looking at her and she comes.
I will tell her name and show the pic after I leave Beijing. I will meet her another night.

She was speaking good English. I offered a drink we start dancing and she told me I’m a working girl, I said good I’m a gigolo, so we are colleagues. She was astonished, but she understood that I was kidding.

I told her that I want to go in a good disco and after to my hotel, so she told me 2000 Yuan for all night. Now the main point. I told her to get out and discuss without the music. I told her I Was going to give 1000 but she said I will not find somebody like her for that money. She was right in my mind. I said I’ll give you just if you earn it.

So we went to a disco, very nice called Coco Banana, there we started to make some intimae contacts while dancing she put her hands inside my trouser giving a good HJ. She started to earn the 2000… We have some kissing and another drink. My 5th .

Then at 3 am we went to the hotel and we showered, she was even better naked. She asked me if I have condoms and I say off course madame.
I bought 24 in Italy, who never knows I said. I was right.

To make a summarize I make her come 3 times until 2 pm and 3 times me.
After we had lunch and she left her number.

She never asked for the money, I told her to take it when we was leaving the room

So I started with a good night.
Tonight I will go to Hollywood.

Somebody want to come with me?

The bad part… ( the Stupid Part )

I gave her 2000 and is not good for the market, but honestly if we should have agree for 1000 I was going to give her a tip for sure she stayed with me 14 hours, anyway I will not do it again I promise ;-)

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Albert Punter

09-16-07, 14:32

I believe Mark refers to Julu Lu.

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If you want a new experience. Go over the the bar street that is near the Hilton. Can't remember the name.

First bar on the right side. You can get a BJ (CIM) next to the pool table in the back room. 200rmb. But they try to hustle the drinks on you.
...

Albert Punter

09-16-07, 14:34

Any problem with my posts, mate ?

Just have your 'wits' about you mate.
...

Mighty Mark

09-16-07, 16:39

Heading back to BJ this week after about a year, 2 questions for Local BJ mongers (and have checked the forum, but nothing here).

Are the girls still around at the car park behind the Hard Rock, next to The Sheraton?

Also, seen some ads in That's BJ for double massage, priced around 398RMB does that include HJ?

Thanks appreciate the local knowledge.

MM

Bad Boy Billy

09-16-07, 22:46

Any problem with my posts, mate ?

No nothing wrong with your posts at all mate - I was just trying to indicate to our friend to have his wits about him.

I just added a bit more 'detailed' info to your post - always trying to help.

Beijingrichard

09-17-07, 01:10

I spent quite some time looking yesterday. The east side of XueYuan Lu has no spas that I could find, all the way from 3rd ring to the one mentioned (Long Sha? I always forget.)

However, being primed up for some action, I headed out to another that I had noticed recently and was very happy I did. LongBao 龙堡 is on MinZu DaXue XiLu 民族大学西路, although their card shows a different address. It's 50 meters north of the south end of the road, about 1km east of XiSan Huan (West 3rd ring.) Although the term may be overused, I truly believe that you can not miss it. It looks like a large, pink Italian villa, complete with statues.

The interior was very well done, clean and attractive. The only problem with the room was that the bed was designed for massages and the hole for your face was at the foot of the bed. During later play, I kept getting my foot stuck in it.

Negotiations are definitely necessary and possible. The female manager came in to take my order and we settled on a 768 kuai package. Then she informed me that FS was extra. Thinking that she had said 1,100 total, I had her call in a girl. Girl A was to give me a massage and then call for girl B to provide other services. I then discovered that the 1,100 was an extra charge, bringing the total to almost 1,900 kuai. I explained that this was ridiculous and got up to leave.

She knocked 200 off and said that girl A would finish me with her breasts, not an attractive proposition as she was a 6/10 at best, with A cups. The girls specifically mentioned among themselves that their would be no BJ. Again, not acceptable. Fives minutes of haggling got them to offer BJ and another 200 off, now 1,500 total. No Good! We finally got to 1,100 total, but the massage would have to be from a different girl. Obviously, I had no objection to that.

A few minutes later, a very petite 8/10 arrived, wearing a mini nurses uniform. Her personality was very quickly established as a 10+, although I had a little problem understanding her SanXi accent. As she checked with me to make sure that the massage was to my liking, I mentioned that I was a little unhappy. She took this very seriously, but I jokingly mentioned that my only disappointment was not being able to get FS from her, as she was obviously the most beautiful woman in the building. She blushed and continued with a fairly good legitimate massage.

Before continuing to a nice oily breast massage she skeptically asked me if I truly wanted to have sex with her. My enthusiastic assurance that this was the case made her smile and mutter my favorite word: KeYi.

I couldn't wait to get my face sticky, which she truly enjoyed. Her BBBJ was done with limited skill but enthusiasm. Some cowboy followed by mish put me in heaven. I kept thinking of switching up, but the sight of her tiny body thrashing under me kept me from changing anything. DFK and her orgasm finished me off. If it was acted, it was very believable; not overdone. I don't think she's experienced enough to be that jaded yet.

I can't remember her name to save my life, but we'll be trading messages today. She's one I really want to see outside and hopefully will, since I'm moving to that area in a couple of months. She'd make a great house-warming gift.

The clerk presented me with a bill for 1,500 kuai, but a quick call to another manager verified 1,100 was correct. It may be a hassle to get this every time, but I'll studiously work to make it standard. If you and your guide dog can't find this place, the number is 010-68727758.

Whene you come along the north side of 3rd ring road, going to that Spa, there is another sauna on the right side. Maybe 1-2 km before the Haidian Spa. It looks very big and has bright neonlights outside. It is on our research list for next week. Anybody ever been there?