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Member #4643
03-21-13, 12:28
CL continues to surprise me. I was checking women looking for men in the personals, and there are tons of pics of gorgeous girls with phone numbers embedded in the photo.
Are any of these girls real?
CL continues to surprise me. I was checking women looking for men in the personals, and there are tons of pics of gorgeous girls with phone numbers embedded in the photo.
Are any of these girls real?All Fake.
Lev
Member #4643
03-21-13, 15:30
All Fake.
LevThanks Lev.
I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).
I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.
Thanks Lev.
I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).
I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.I'm afraid you'll get a bad guide during the day and an upsell or bad service at night. I'd suggest just hire a guide during the day and go have some variety at night.
Walked around Jing An last week and the place was literally packed with BBS and massage parlors. Tons of them on Anyuan Lu (between Shaanxi Lu and Changshou Lu) with some great young talents: just walk around, check inside and see what you like. My favourite however was a BBS on Shaanxi Lu, in the section between Kangding Lu and Changping Lu. Walking south from Changping Lu / Shaanxi Lu (thevfamous intersection) , after 300mt you will see one on the left side (on the other side of the road of a wine bar). Walk 10 more metres and on the same side you will find another one with a few great MILFs. Ask of Milefei (&31859; &20048; &32933. If she is there you can easily recognize her: pretty stunning look (for a 35/40year old) , black hair, pony-tail and an amazing rack. The place is pretty shabby but she is worth the experience. Her body is simply amazing, to die for. Great BBJ and not a single complaint about size or time (no rush). I asked her if I could unload on her chest and she let me do that with pleasure. Great experience for 300RMB.
Thanks Lev.
I think I found what I am looking for. I found a young lady under travel on CL who is a guide. I asked her about special services, and she agreed to spend three days and nights with me for 2500 RMB per day. She will show me the sights and fuck me silly, I hope! (hope springs eternal, as they say).
I send off emails to other guides, and most did not reply. One told me to write an escort agency. I think this was sound advice, LOL, except my girl looks beautiful and seems like what I was looking for.You have seen her in person to know she is beautiful?
OS
Shanghai Guide
03-21-13, 22:08
You have seen her in person to know she is beautiful?
OSI would not trust any pictures, before I met her face to face. This agencies are very creativ to find "real" picture of the girls and when he arrived, it will be too late to deny, I am afraid.
Hi guys,
Sometimes you are really lucky, for me it was a "serendipity": Walking to my hotel a good looking lady walked by.
And said "hello" like about a million before. But somehow a couple of yards walking on I just turned around and she.
Came back too and handed her phone nr to me. Again like so many before. She told me she would go to Malone's.
- another of those pick up places. Later in my hotel room pretty late, I just gave it a chance calling her.
To make it short it was the best experience ever.
I rather would keep her for me. I did see her again one month later and it was even better.
I will share more. But only via PM.
Gregory
Went to Siyuan yesterday evening and it was the worst sauna experience ever. Landed there at about 9:15 PM and was taken to a room with other Chinese guys around.
Waited for 45 mins and taken to the line up at 10 PM. When I selected a girl, the guy said no choose another, when I selected another again choose other WTF. He gave me 2 numbers and said I could take one of these 2. One was with huge fake tits and ugly looking and 2nd was OK. I wanted to leave but the little head was thinking so took the OK one. Off to the room to a very mechanical titty massage and bath for 15 mins and on the bed. A good BBBJ for 15 mins and then cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, doggy and mish to finish. Bath and out. Total time spend about 55 mins. The sex was good but I expected much more and a better sauna experience for 880. Even Sarcosa is a much better deal with 2 pops.
Girl. 7.
Sex. 8.
Experience. 2.
WIR. Never
Thanks to posts 6429 and 6430, had a good time in the Jing'an area.
Went to the BBS on Anyuan Lu, there are 3 on each side of Changde Lu. All had decent looking girls. Chose 1 and negotiated 300 for BBBJ and fuck. Went to the back room. No doors, just a curtain and you can hear live porn with girls going on in the next cube. The BBBJ and sex was decent. Total about 20 mins, The girl was tight and a good lay.
Next walked about for a while checking the other BBS girls. Will try them the next time.
Walked to the massage place on Shaanxi Bei Lu. Between Xinfeng Lu and Anyuan lu. No mini mart there. Just 1 small massage place. 218 for a prostrate massage. Go up the stairs 2 flights up, to a small room. A cute little spinner walks in. Undress and lay on the table. Got one of the best massage I have ever had. Turn over and more massage. Then she got between my legs and started playing with my dick and giving a HJ. She had good technique. As I had come once before, it took her about 25 mins to make me shoot and she was game all the way. Had tired hands at the end but never complained. No extras except getting her topless and playing with her tits for 100. I declined and that didn't stop her from giving an excellent HJ.
All in all an excellent evening with a good massage, awesome HJ and decent BBBJ and sex for 500. Much better then spending 880 at Siyuan.
KJ
Hi,
I had the opportunity to spend 10 days on business in Asia, starting out in Shanghai. Arrived late (23:30?) , and took the subway to my Hotel (Swissotel). Did not realize the subway skipped a bunch of stops late at night- but fortunately stopped at JingAn temple. So just a short walk to the hotel. This is a great place. And girl friendly. 8 out of 10 times, you just walk by, every once in a while. They ask for I'd. But that is it. So no hassle. And it is a great hotel.
Cleaned up. Arrived at Manhatten around 12:30. And it was packed! This time there were more guys than girls. But the 'take out' velocity seemed slow. So the girls were selling hard. Spent about an hour. 100 RMB on beer, before finding a hell-fire. She was from south Vietnam, great firm body, nice real tits, and just full of energy. Couple of dances. And we agreed on 1000 RMB for ST. With a possibility for extension. Quick cab ride back to the hotel (40 RMB). And up to the room. She kept up the energy level, great kisser, incredible suction on the BBBJ, and after 3 positions, finally wore me out. What a difference her energy level made! Agreed to meet her Sunday night & let her go. And I slept through to 9 AM. Great night. Manhatten is still a great place. Gives you the opportunity to determine chemistry. And make an informed decision (albeit influenced by beer and no sleep.).
I did read below about some of the Barbershops in the area. May try that next trip in June. Spent the week in Shanghai (actually working) and Friday & Saturday in Bangkok- check out the report there. I really love this part of the world.
Will
Hi guys,
I am heaing out to SH soon for the first time in many years.
I have read the last 20 pages but I still need som advise. I am looking for a pick up that can spend the night with me at my hotel. I understand that there are some pick up bars and I would like advise about where to go.
I am looking for WG who can speak dcent English since I don't speak Chinese. A Filipino or Thai would work too.
Please PM me with advise or contact numbers.
Thanks in advance!
/Kirsia
MichealRen1
03-24-13, 12:14
Hey dude.
For the first timers, I personally would suggest Manhattan. 154 Nanyang road, near xikang road, it is sure shot, Gals are Chinese (5-6/10) Finas, Viets, the general asking rate is 1000-1200 ST, can bargain upto 700-800 ST
Or you can go to Judys at Tongren Lu by nanjing xi road, very near Ritz Carlton, this place would have more finas, price would be similar.
In btwn, please avoid any kind of lure of sex in NANJING ROAD (walking street) you will be approached by nice looking gals and pimps even in day time alluring you, these are sure rip off.
Or look for shanghaidaily. Com or chinadaily. Com for service provider, but these gals can be different than the pics posted on the website.
Enjoy
Hi guys,
I have read the last 20 pages but I still need som advise. I am looking for a pick up that can spend the night with me at my hotel. I understand that there are some pick up bars and I would like advise about where to go.At the risk of sounding like a jerk, you should re-read those last 20 pages. There are plenty of references to Manhattan. Maybe that should get you started in the right direction.
Just thought I would report on my last visit to Shanghai.
I called Coco again and she sent over Sara.
Sara was a sweetheart who spoke very good English. As always with Coco, Sara showed up quickly. She changed into some sexy lingerie and started the massage. Well above average massage. Her finish is something that everyone should experience. VERY hot.
Very sexy body with above average face and A cups.
She stayed the full 90 minutes as advertised and RMB was as advertised. I wasn't looking for extra's but she did offer naked for a few more.
If you are looking for professional, discreet, polite and HOT I would Sara. But this is the same as my last report.
This is very good site for information where I found the link to Coco.
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/
Here is a link directly to Coco. Under "Chef's Suggestion"
http://www.private-escort-shanghai.com/
If you read my last report from September, the girl I had then is now listed on the site. Xin Yu.
Call Coco and tell her Jon sent you!
So, here I am chaps. About to depart this fair city after 6 years in her dear arms.
And to all newbies: hell yeah, RTFF, experience, discover and post back.
Enjoy!
WGSReading your post reminded me of my first trip to Shanghai hotel in the block behind the Hilton. Not too far off from your first trip.
Ahh those were the days. Haha.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3014-2008-East-China-Shanghai&p=717618#post717618
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3014-2008-East-China-Shanghai&p=723503#post723503
Kind of funny reading these back now. Kind of a newb back then.
Best of luck in the future where ever you land.
Hi Guys,
Just a quick summary of my last week experience.
I checked into my hotel in jing an tired from the flight. I was looking for some cheap sex as I was too tired to enjoy it to the max.
I opened my laptop and looked for QQ girls, I browsed a forum that has them catagorized by location and I looked for Jing An girls. No luck as no one was online but I had built a register with contacts in the weeks before my trip.
Girl 1833557957 was online and I managed to chat with her and meet at a location. It was opposite a metro station and when I arrived it took some time for her to text me the room number in the 7 day inn hotel.
When she opened the door she was scared of my size (195 cm) and affraid I had a big dick. After some time I had enough and just undressed myself, she finally did the same. After a condom blowjob she did cowgirl style and we switched to mish. As I was quite horny I really pounded her hard so she was banging her head to the bed. After I came, put on my close and paid the bill (200 RMB.) as agreed on qq.
The woman was older than the pictures suggest and her 36D cup was more a B / C cup but for 200 it was a pretty good deal.
On my last night a Thursday I visited Hong Song hot springs after a long time trying to choose between 999 and hong song.
I arrived at 17:15 and it was quite busy I guess as I was not taken to the shower area. I was amazed by the size of the operations, I was led to the fish bow and had to walk through a maze of hallways to get there. After each 20 steps I was handed over to another staff member and I think I must have been handled by 25 people before I got to the bowl. No wonder their prices are slightly higher when you have to pay for all the staff.
At the fish bow I was amazed by all the gorgeous girls posing there. I had hoped to find 1-2 girls with big boobs to choose from but from a line-up of 30 girls, there were at least 10 model girls and 5 of them with a big rack.
There were 2 that caught my eye but 1 of them had the biggest tits and a pretty face #870.
After choosing the girl I had to wait in a love seat for 2 with a lot of other guys and girls. As I do not speak any Chinese the girl started playing with my dick to pass time and it was nice. Most girls passing by were just gorgeous.
After 20 minutes a room was available and they were still cleaning it when we arrived, the previous couple was still picking their stuff. Really busy.
My girl was wearing a very sturdy bra so I was a bit affraid it was a mega push-up thing and her tits would be disappointing. However when she took it all off, I was a happy guy. At least a E / F cup natural. She reminded me of Hitomi Tanaka while her boobs were a size smaller, very similar.
We took a shower and she gave me a soapy while doing a tit fuck all the time. I tried to explain I wanted a blowjob with condom and after a lot of attempts she seemed to understand. So she just licked my balls and nipples during the soapy.
When on the bed she started to massage and lick my balls again. But then before I knew it she was sucking my dick without condom very intensely. I was a bit upset but the damage was done so I figured to just enjoy it. After the blowjob she wanted to fuck but I hinted she forgot the rimming part and she started to do it immediately. After that some multiple positions fucking and I could enjoy her boobs from all angles trough the mirrors.
When finished I had no intent to stay so she gave me another soapy to clean my dick. It was nice.
After I was back in my hotel I walked to mannings to get some hand cleaning stuff and put it on my dick to kill any bacteria left. Painfull but maybe it has an effect.
All in all I really enjoyed the hong song but am still a bit affraid I caught an std from the BBBJ, guess I have to wait for 2 weeks to get a check.
I notice a lot of guys getting BBBJ's, no one is affraid of herpes, chlamydia, gonnorhoe etc. Etc? I just hope the high standard of hong song makes the risk smaller.
I am very happy to read that the Shanghai Hotel is back in action!
I first visited that location back in 2008, when I was back in 09 I think that it was already closed. It was my first taste of a "sauna" and although the actual session was far from the best I've had since then it will always be remembered.
I am about to visit Shanghai again after haing been away for more than 3 years. I have made a list of places to visit including:
- Hong Song, Shi Hong Song Dong Lu 1116 (Hilton Hotel 4th Floor) , am I correct in understanding that it is inside the Hilton Hong Qiao?
- Hailang, Zhong Shan Xi Lu 1277.
- Jun Hao, Longming Lu No. 2131, Building C. 3rd Floor. At the Corner to Caobao Lu.
- 999, 999 Tianyaojiao Lu (Xujiahui)
- and now I guess the Shanghai Hotel!
I am only there for 5 days and being realistic I probably only have time for 2 or 3 saunas during this visit.
I've read the f forum and made the above short list. Can someone please double check that my addresses are correct and comment on which 2 or 3 of the 5 above I should go for. I have found some Metro directions but I'll probably take a taxi and hope for the concierge to be able to write the addresses in Chinese for me.
Tia,
Happy
Gaist Asia
03-26-13, 01:13
Crosby,
Just guessing from your size you won't be Chinese. Either you can communicate in Chinese or you might help us to find QQ girls that can at least understand the minimum English to agree on service, price and location. So far I haven't been lucky enought to find them.
Thanks
Hi Guys,
Just a quick summary of my last week experience.
I checked into my hotel in jing an tired from the flight. I was looking for some cheap sex as I was too tired to enjoy it to the max.
I opened my laptop and looked for QQ girls, I browsed a forum that has them catagorized by location and I looked for Jing An girls. No luck as no one was online but I had built a register with contacts in the weeks before my trip.
Girl 1833557957 was online and I managed to chat with her and meet at a location. It was opposite a metro station and when I arrived it took some time for her to text me the room number in the 7 day inn hotel.
When she opened the door she was scared of my size (195 cm) and affraid I had a big dick. After some time I had enough and just undressed myself, she finally did the same. After a condom blowjob she did cowgirl style and we switched to mish. As I was quite horny I really pounded her hard so she was banging her head to the bed. After I came, put on my close and paid the bill (200 RMB.) as agreed on qq.
The woman was older than the pictures suggest and her 36D cup was more a B / C cup but for 200 it was a pretty good deal.
Shanghai Guide
03-26-13, 19:08
- Hong Song, Shi Hong Song Dong Lu 1116 (Hilton Hotel 4th Floor) , am I correct in understanding that it is inside the Hilton Hong Qiao?
- Hailang, Zhong Shan Xi Lu 1277.
- Jun Hao, Longming Lu No. 2131, Building C. 3rd Floor. At the Corner to Caobao Lu.
- 999, 999 Tianyaojiao Lu (Xujiahui)
- and now I guess the Shanghai Hotel!
Can someone please double check that my addresses are correct and comment on which 2 or 3 of the 5 above I should go for.Adresses are correct, so you should found them. The Hong Song is in the Hilton hotel, but not reachable by the hotel elevators, so it is a little bit tricky to find, but you should find a "instruction" here in the forum.
I would recommend Hong Song, because of the great girls selection, than Jun Hao, because they have this stage to select the girls (and I enjoy the catwalk there) , than Hailang or 999 should be the same quality, but my last visit in Shanghai Hotel was not so great, so if you have only 3 chances, I would not face the risk to waste one shoot in the Shanghai Hotel.
Just a quick question.
Is the ISG forum blocked in China? On my last visit to Shanghai I was unable to access the site. It was fine in Seoul. I was staying at the Hilton.
Just a quick question.
Is the ISG forum blocked in China? On my last visit to Shanghai I was unable to access the site. It was fine in Seoul. I was staying at the Hilton.I have no issues with accessing ISG from my hotel in Shanghai.
I am very happy to read that the Shanghai Hotel is back in action!
I first visited that location back in 2008, when I was back in 09 I think that it was already closed. It was my first taste of a "sauna" and although the actual session was far from the best I've had since then it will always be remembered.
I am about to visit Shanghai again after haing been away for more than 3 years. I have made a list of places to visit including:
- Hong Song, Shi Hong Song Dong Lu 1116 (Hilton Hotel 4th Floor) , am I correct in understanding that it is inside the Hilton Hong Qiao?
- Hailang, Zhong Shan Xi Lu 1277.
- Jun Hao, Longming Lu No. 2131, Building C. 3rd Floor. At the Corner to Caobao Lu.
- 999, 999 Tianyaojiao Lu (Xujiahui)
- and now I guess the Shanghai Hotel!
I am only there for 5 days and being realistic I probably only have time for 2 or 3 saunas during this visit.
I've read the f forum and made the above short list. Can someone please double check that my addresses are correct and comment on which 2 or 3 of the 5 above I should go for. I have found some Metro directions but I'll probably take a taxi and hope for the concierge to be able to write the addresses in Chinese for me.
Tia,
HappyI would recommend a trip to Heting Elite at 777 Siping Lu. Been there 2 times in the last week and it has excellent service. Great selection of girls, very sexy boobs massage and cat bath, some of the very best BBBJ I have ever had and 2 shots all for 600 RMB as I was there before 6 PM both times.
KJ
I would recommend a trip to Heting Elite at 777 Siping Lu. Been there 2 times in the last week and it has excellent service. Great selection of girls, very sexy boobs massage and cat bath, some of the very best BBBJ I have ever had and 2 shots all for 600 RMB as I was there before 6 PM both times.
KJMy last trip to shanghai I tried heting and didn't like it at all. I had to wait in the waiting room for 45 over minutes and the selection of girls was terrible. Worse still, they were all standing in front of you like pigs waiting for the slaughter. I didn't want to wait for another round, so I just took the one that I could bear, and she had pockmarks all over her face. Thank goodness the room was so dark.
I rather go to merrilyn or bodi where I can have a good FS with bath and the works, and you get to choose the girls behind a fish tank. Just my 2 cents, no offense. To each his own.
My last trip to shanghai I tried heting and didn't like it at all. I had to wait in the waiting room for 45 over minutes and the selection of girls was terrible. Worse still, they were all standing in front of you like pigs waiting for the slaughter. I didn't want to wait for another round, so I just took the one that I could bear, and she had pockmarks all over her face. Thank goodness the room was so dark.
I rather go to merrilyn or bodi where I can have a good FS with bath and the works, and you get to choose the girls behind a fish tank. Just my 2 cents, no offense. To each his own.My last experience at Bodi was so disappointing I'm going to try a different sauna next trip. Maybe it's OK during the week but on a Saturday night. 1 1/2 hour waiting and then a choice of 5 girls. 3 after the two Chinese guys in front of me picked. And no fishbowl. Just a gathering in a dark hallway. And then the girl was cold, distant, and rushed me because we had spent some of our time waiting in the upstairs hallway outside the rooms AFTER I picked her. I think there's two levels of service going on there. One for wealthy regulars, and another for the occasional tourist visitors.
Thanks to Xikang Lu (#5636) and the follow-up by Irv Washington (#6430).
I decided to see what they were talking about and so headed to Yuyao Lu, west of Changde Lu. This small street is amazing with at least 6 massage places of various shapes and sizes. It reminded me of Amsterdam with all of the girls in the windows. Here, however, all of the girls wore similar black dresses / uniforms. I was in no rush so I wandered up and down a couple of times trying to make up my mind.
The place offering foot massages looked like it had recently been redone and you could see the girls easily. There were 3 girls: one was good looking but 2 were not. I was not sure whether I would be able to choose the good looking girl so I moved on.
The best looking girls were squashed together on a couch at a small place with a pink sign in the middle of the north side. I was very tempted to go in but was not sure what was available. Also I got the impression that none spoke English at any of these places.
Then I saw a really great looking girl coming out of the larger place with a large massage sign near the east end on the south side. I wondered if she would try to pick me up but she looked like she was going home. The place did not look too inviting from the outside.
So, being undecided I thought I'the check out the BBS on Xinfeng Lu. It had 3 girls sitting out front, but none of them looked great so I kept going to Shaanxi Bei Lu.
This massage place appealed to me right away. Also there was a menu out front in English. I decided on the prostate massage for 218 RMB and went in. The girl at the front desk spoke no English but I pointed at the menu and she took me upstairs to a nice room. It has a shower, a massage table and an armchair. It also had an old-fashioned bath tub which looked interesting. Everything was clean. She pointed me to the chair and I waited. Pretty soon a really attractive, short-haired, petite girl entered. She was wearing black tights and a long t-shirt with 'Annie' or something like that on the front. I was not sure whether she was the first in a line-up or not but I indicated that she would do just fine.
She left and I was not sure whether to take a shower or not so I just waited. She came back, asked if I wanted a massage and pointed at the shower. I asked if she spoke English and she said yes but when I asked her for her name she didn't understand. So we didn't talk much.
The massage was brilliant and included one of the best hand releases I've ever had. It was pretty clear that there would be no touching and so I didn't try. Actually, I didn't want to try. I wasn't offered any extras but I don't speak Mandarin or any other Chinese language.
Afterwards I took another shower, went down stairs, paid, left a tip for the massage girl at the front desk, and left feeling great. I'll repeat for sure.
Crosby,
Just guessing from your size you won't be Chinese. Either you can communicate in Chinese or you might help us to find QQ girls that can at least understand the minimum English to agree on service, price and location. So far I haven't been lucky enought to find them.
ThanksNope, I am European and don't speak any word Chinese.
In the QQ app you can translate from English to Chinese to chat with the girl. She will do vice versa and it works perfectly.
The last part is most tricky and you will fail most of the time. As they will only point you to an address without giving their room number (in case of hotel) or apartment number you'll end up in the cold.
One solution is to use QQ on your mobile and get final details through your phone. But roaming data charges are high so I did not do so.
So far I had one failure where the girl did not understand my questions for directions over the phone in English and I ended up in the hall of a giant appartment block.
Last weeks girl was smart enough to put the SMS questions in the QQ translator and text me the floor and room number back.
Thank you for your feedback!
I'll skip the Shanghai Hotel. Some memories are best when not relived.
I'll be staying close to the Bund so it'll be taxi to the places I visit. I promise to write a report now that I am way more knowledgeable than I was back then.
Gregory Pecker
03-30-13, 05:40
Excuse me, brothers, but as a newbie to the site – and having just trawled in vain across the past few months' posts – I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Yu Ping was still open, and still as good as it was said to be, back in the day? A friend (who hasn't been to Shanghai since 2011) recommended I try it. Any advice would be gratefully received.
GunsAndRoses
03-30-13, 15:28
Hi guys!
I am staying in the Pullman for a couple of days. Any nice massage (Prostate or tantric or the like) around?
Nope, I am European and don't speak any word Chinese.
In the QQ app you can translate from English to Chinese to chat with the girl. She will do vice versa and it works perfectly.
The last part is most tricky and you will fail most of the time. As they will only point you to an address without giving their room number (in case of hotel) or apartment number you'll end up in the cold.
One solution is to use QQ on your mobile and get final details through your phone. But roaming data charges are high so I did not do so.
So far I had one failure where the girl did not understand my questions for directions over the phone in English and I ended up in the hall of a giant appartment block.
Last weeks girl was smart enough to put the SMS questions in the QQ translator and text me the floor and room number back.Evidently I suck at using QQ. I don't know how to get it to translate. Is it only for your PC or will it work over your iphone also? I am a member on QQi but am currently back in the US and won't be needing it until June when I get back to China. I hope by then I'll have it figured out! I do keep getting these "matches" on my PC and have tried to send a couple of emails but don't know if I am doing it correctly. I saw where someone on the forum had mentioned that they used QQ and wee able to filter the contacts in some way. I also assume that a contact who is interested in someone 18 to 80 is (maybe) a WG? Are there any other hints that can be picked up on? Anyone who wants to offer some advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
MrClen
I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Yu Ping was still open, and still as good as it was said to be, back in the day?I think that is what is called 999, open and good from what I've read.
So far I had one failure where the girl did not understand my questions for directions over the phone in English and I ended up in the hall of a giant appartment block.[/QUOTE]This is common. For their security they will usually only give the street address of their building complex, you have to call their mobile when you arrive at the gate to get details of building and room number. They tend to have very little patience at this stage. I've had several hang up when I asked them to confirm the room number, I think they're not very happy to have a foreign customer anyway, so any difficulty is enough reason for them to stop it. I've also found that different girls will work shifts on the same QQ number, so even if you were accepted on your QQ chat a few hours before, the actual girl "on duty" when you arrive may not agree to it. So you're out on the street in the cold again!
Last weeks girl was smart enough to put the SMS questions in the QQ translator and text me the floor and room number back.[/QUOTE]You were lucky. Very few will communicate by text until they've spoken to you live on the phone. I've also been asked to send a photo or video chat of me or my passport, so they can check out that I'm a real foreigner, and how gruesome! As I reported a few months ago I've not found the QQ experience to be as good as it sounds. I'm still looking for the gem who's worth going back to a second time. I've wasted so much time wandering round Putuo and Xuhui (where many of the apparently beautiful QQ girls seems to be based) , I'm now limiting my search to Huangpu and Pudong so it's a shorter taxi ride home when it doesn't work out!
Art Shanghai
03-31-13, 08:09
No, YuPing is not the same as 999, but it is the same owners (as with Hongsong and I think Hailang, and the one out by Marriott Hongqiao).
I went to YuPing probably a month ago and it was still good, although I prefer the girls at hongsong. Yuping still has the best ear digging girls in my opinion.
I think that is what is called 999, open and good from what I've read.
Brooklyn Cyclone
03-31-13, 12:03
So far I had one failure where the girl did not understand my questions for directions over the phone in English and I ended up in the hall of a giant appartment block. This is common. For their security they will usually only give the street address of their building complex, you have to call their mobile when you arrive at the gate to get details of building and room number. They tend to have very little patience at this stage. I've had several hang up when I asked them to confirm the room number, I think they're not very happy to have a foreign customer anyway, so any difficulty is enough reason for them to stop it. I've also found that different girls will work shifts on the same QQ number, so even if you were accepted on your QQ chat a few hours before, the actual girl "on duty" when you arrive may not agree to it. So you're out on the street in the cold again!
Last weeks girl was smart enough to put the SMS questions in the QQ translator and text me the floor and room number back. You were lucky. Very few will communicate by text until they've spoken to you live on the phone. I've also been asked to send a photo or video chat of me or my passport, so they can check out that I'm a real foreigner, and how gruesome! As I reported a few months ago I've not found the QQ experience to be as good as it sounds. I'm still looking for the gem who's worth going back to a second time. I've wasted so much time wandering round Putuo and Xuhui (where many of the apparently beautiful QQ girls seems to be based) , I'm now limiting my search to Huangpu and Pudong so it's a shorter taxi ride home when it doesn't work out!Unless you can speak, type, and understand Chinese, I don't recommend QQ. Firstly most pictures are fake. Secondly service level is not consistent. Thirdly it's a lot of work because they are usually on first come first serve schedule. I had waited for over an hour. Fourthly not safe. Once I got into physical fight. Lastly price not much cheaper than full service sauna.
Brooklyn Cyclone
03-31-13, 12:05
I think that is what is called 999, open and good from what I've read.Tianyaoqiao road near big stadium? Yes, it's open.
Brooklyn Cyclone
03-31-13, 12:13
At the risk of sounding like a jerk, you should re-read those last 20 pages. There are plenty of references to Manhattan. Maybe that should get you started in the right direction.I don't recommend pickup. Normally they will try to finish as quickly as they can. No GFE at all. You could get lucky but that would be rare. Just go for sauna for a good service and save some $.
Yes, one has to be careful with their selection of talent from Manhattan, but with every visit there I was able to pull a GFE for LT fun. Last time I had a viet girl really eager to please. Had her for three nights.
So "monger" beware. But yes you can find someone you will like.
I don't recommend pickup. Normally they will try to finish as quickly as they can. No GFE at all. You could get lucky but that would be rare. Just go for sauna for a good service and save some $.That's not been my experience at all; I've had good to exceptional service from the half dozen or so Shanghai pickups I've had the pleasure of enjoying over the past couple of visits.
Shanghai Guide
03-31-13, 16:07
I don't recommend pickup. Normally they will try to finish as quickly as they can. No GFE at all. You could get lucky but that would be rare. Just go for sauna for a good service and save some $.I think, it depends what you are looking for. In Manhattan there are a lot of very professional girls. These girls are more agressiv in "marketing" and they also will take as much as they can and than run back to the next customer. If you look for a professional service of a working girl, this is what you look for and what you get. Here it can be a good deal to take a sauna session instead. If you prefer a girlfriend experience, you will have nearly no chance in the sauna, but still in a pickup area. If you try to find a girlfriend experience, than you first should select the more shy girls, than next step treat them like your girlfriend, be kind and show your respect to them, than could be you will get a real girlfriend experience. I had some pickups in the past, never paid more than 1000, but also never even discussed about that. If you ask her in the first contact, than you are back to the working girl business, if she will ask for the money very soon, you got a too professional again. My good choices take place to me, we talk and drink a short time, she ask if I want to go out or home with her. I agree, than we go out with the girl, sometimes we will have some late food somewhere (becaused I asked her, if I can invite her for some food) , than we arrived in the hotel and I handed over 1000 RMB discreetly and we went over to the funny part. And from several girls in the past, only one left before we had a breakfast together. I think if you first pick out the professional girls, than negotiate about service, price and payment ways (for example only 50% in advanced, because she will run away otherwise) , than next step agree about a the deal, than take your "product" home, how can you expect her to change from a "bought product" to a real girlfriend. Treat her like a working girl, and you will get a working girl experience, treat her like a girlfriend, and you will get a girlfriend experience. (ok, sometimes you will fail, but I had girlfriends already with even less girlfriend experience, so it is still just a lucky draw: sometimes you loose, sometimes you win). But in Manhattan you still have a good chance to win the most nights, if you play the right game!
I think, it depends what you are looking for. In Manhattan there are a lot of very professional girls. These girls are more agressiv in "marketing" and they also will take as much as they can and than run back to the next customer. If you look for a professional service of a working girl, this is what you look for and what you get. Here it can be a good deal to take a sauna session instead. If you prefer a girlfriend experience, you will have nearly no chance in the sauna, but still in a pickup area. If you try to find a girlfriend experience, than you first should select the more shy girls, than next step treat them like your girlfriend, be kind and show your respect to them, than could be you will get a real girlfriend experience. I had some pickups in the past, never paid more than 1000, but also never even discussed about that. If you ask her in the first contact, than you are back to the working girl business, if she will ask for the money very soon, you got a too professional again. My good choices take place to me, we talk and drink a short time, she ask if I want to go out or home with her. I agree, than we go out with the girl, sometimes we will have some late food somewhere (becaused I asked her, if I can invite her for some food) , than we arrived in the hotel and I handed over 1000 RMB discreetly and we went over to the funny part. And from several girls in the past, only one left before we had a breakfast together. I think if you first pick out the professional girls, than negotiate about service, price and payment ways (for example only 50% in advanced, because she will run away otherwise) , than next step agree about a the deal, than take your "product" home, how can you expect her to change from a "bought product" to a real girlfriend. Treat her like a working girl, and you will get a working girl experience, treat her like a girlfriend, and you will get a girlfriend experience. (ok, sometimes you will fail, but I had girlfriends already with even less girlfriend experience, so it is still just a lucky draw: sometimes you loose, sometimes you win). But in Manhattan you still have a good chance to win the most nights, if you play the right game!GFE-sounds as if you look at this the same way I try to. Many of the posters on here seem to think all it takes for a GFE is a girl who will do, DFK-BBBJ-CIM-AR, etc, etc. To me, this does make for good service but not true GFE. Now I don't think you are EVER going to get a "real" GFE without a "real" GF, but you can get the service and what feels more GFE. This is as in not quite so professional and mechanical, but with enthusiasm and passion. I can't seem to get it through my head that if you are number XXX for the day or night that she can have any GFE left for you-all you can hope for is decent services-and you are just a walking wallet. I am an older guy, don't quite look my age, but tend to get what I consider (and it varies person to person) a GFE most of the time. I am not sure how often you would get that in the more commercial places or cities, but tend to think it is most prevalent in the less mongered areas. I normally go to KTV's, either alone or with friends, and believe that the GFE comes with getting to know the girl just a little bit better and that you are there to have fun and want her to have fun also-IE; , you actually care about how she feels and the build up to a good night of passion is possible.
Again, I agree with you, win or lose, we still get to play the game! A question for anyone who cares to answer-what is the difference between senior and regular member?
Excuse me, brothers, but as a newbie to the site – and having just trawled in vain across the past few months' posts – I was just wondering if anyone could tell me if Yu Ping was still open, and still as good as it was said to be, back in the day? A friend (who hasn't been to Shanghai since 2011) recommended I try it. Any advice would be gratefully received.Do you mean xin yu ping?
It's still open.
GunsAndRoses
04-01-13, 12:22
Good evening fellow mongers. I would like to know if any one knows of any place with hot action, like a massage parlor or sauna with "extras" in the area near Pullman Skyway Hotel. I would appreciate your feedback.
Cheers!
Shanghai Guide
04-01-13, 16:56
question for anyone who cares to answer-what is the difference between senior and regular member?I thought it depends on the number of posts, but you have even more than I have, so could be you will get a senior member, if you pay for the membership of the forum (necessary to receive private messages).
I thought it depends on the number of posts, but you have even more than I have, so could be you will get a senior member, if you pay for the membership of the forum (necessary to receive private messages).I did pay for the membership to be able to PM quickly. Anyone know the answer to this?
I thought it depends on the number of posts, but you have even more than I have, so could be you will get a senior member, if you pay for the membership of the forum (necessary to receive private messages).I didn't pay for membership, yet I'm a Senior Member and can PM.
Actually, I never noticed that I became a Senior Member, but I realized that I could PM one day after hitting a number of posts (can't remember how many). Then again I wasn't counting and just did my duties in reporting my experience in as many cities as I could, hoping that my coverage will help a fellow bro in the near future.
I didn't pay for membership, yet I'm a Senior Member and can PM.
Actually, I never noticed that I became a Senior Member, but I realized that I could PM one day after hitting a number of posts (can't remember how many). Then again I wasn't counting and just did my duties in reporting my experience in as many cities as I could, hoping that my coverage will help a fellow bro in the near future.Maybe it has to do with the quality of the posts. (no hit to you or others intended). Some peopel don't RTF and post, can you tell me this? That? My first posts were all about my trip reports. I remember at first when I posted, it had to be reviewed. Now I post imediately. The world may never know.
Any info where can I get pregnant women for sex / masssage in Shanghai?
Any barber shop or prostitutes or others?
Gaist Asia
04-02-13, 01:17
Crosby,
Thanks for sharing your experience. However, based on your report and the other comments I won't be too optimistic. Most likely I will stick to looking for the "better" BBS or some nice MP offering something more than the standard HE.
Gaist
Maybe it has to do with the quality of the posts. (no hit to you or others intended). Some peopel don't RTF and post, can you tell me this? That? My first posts were all about my trip reports. I remember at first when I posted, it had to be reviewed. Now I post imediately. The world may never know.Till 2009, if you got more then 25 posts, you were converted to senior member automatically and could PM without paying. If I remember correctly, the rules changed some time late in 2009 after which you had to pay to use PM
I did pay for the membership to be able to PM quickly. Anyone know the answer to this?You need both 6 months and 25 posts:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=member_type_questions#faq_membership_type_questions_03
-J
No, YuPing is not the same as 999, but it is the same owners (as with Hongsong and I think Hailang, and the one out by Marriott Hongqiao).
I went to YuPing probably a month ago and it was still good, although I prefer the girls at hongsong. Yuping still has the best ear digging girls in my opinion.Please correct me if I'm wrong. My taxi note says:
Shen Yu Ping 999 Tianyaoqia Road with a big 999 logo.
So what is a different address for which ever, Yu Ping or 999?
EightInches
04-02-13, 05:09
First post here. Has anyone tried the massage parlours on Yinghua Lu and Dujuan Lu near Baiyang Lu? All of them have theme dressing hot babes all offering just sex at 300 for 45 minutes? Any tips from prior experience much appreciated.
Any info where can I get pregnant women for sex / masssage in Shanghai?
Any barber shop or prostitutes or others?Never heart of, never seen any, and also cannot imagine any of the institutions or providers offering.
Lev
Shanghai Guide
04-02-13, 13:50
Please correct me if I'm wrong. My taxi note says:
Shen Yu Ping 999 Tianyaoqia Road with a big 999 logo.
So what is a different address for which ever, Yu Ping or 999?Could be you talk about two different locations (with some incorrect spelling, because of Chinese translation)?
- I know one Sauna called: Xin Yu Ping Hot Spring Clubhouse (#1733 Lian Hua Lu, Building D, Cross-Street Yi Shan Lu)
- Another one is called: 999 Jiu Yuan Sauna Club (999 Tian Yao Qiao Lu)
In the attachment you can get the mobile card for your phone and show it to the taxi driver, than should be easy to go there.
Art Shanghai
04-02-13, 18:37
That's correct. Of the two, I like Xin Yu Ping better. The quality of the girls in my opinion are better. Recently though I have been going to Hong Song more often even though it's more pricey (980 vs 880). I think the girls at Hong Song are better quality (look wise) and service wise I find them equal across the board (typical sauna service). I also find that because Hong Song has so many girls, they really appreciate regulars, so I often get special service when I call them before I go.
Could be you talk about two different locations (with some incorrect spelling, because of Chinese translation)?
- I know one Sauna called: Xin Yu Ping Hot Spring Clubhouse (#1733 Lian Hua Lu, Building D, Cross-Street Yi Shan Lu)
- Another one is called: 999 Jiu Yuan Sauna Club (999 Tian Yao Qiao Lu)
In the attachment you can get the mobile card for your phone and show it to the taxi driver, than should be easy to go there.
First post here. Has anyone tried the massage parlours on Yinghua Lu and Dujuan Lu near Baiyang Lu? All of them have theme dressing hot babes all offering just sex at 300 for 45 minutes? Any tips from prior experience much appreciated.I find some massage parlours on Yinghua Lu near Baiyang Lu, but didn't know whether they offer any speical service or not.
Member #4689
04-03-13, 14:03
First post here. Has anyone tried the massage parlours on Yinghua Lu and Dujuan Lu near Baiyang Lu? All of them have theme dressing hot babes all offering just sex at 300 for 45 minutes? Any tips from prior experience much appreciated.I guess you refer to the many BBS there with good looking talent. But.... BBS also means only 5-10 min of (cheap and dirty) action and certainly not 45 min for Y300. Please prove me wrong!
DoItUnderwater
04-03-13, 14:36
I find some massage parlours on Yinghua Lu near Baiyang Lu, but didn't know whether they offer any speical service or not.I have not been to these places but based on the adverts, it looks like they are probably legit massage only.
I guess you refer to the many BBS there with good looking talent. But. BBS also means only 5-10 min of (cheap and dirty) action and certainly not 45 min for Y300. Please prove me wrong!I've tried a couple of these, they're reasonable. Reasonably clean, reasonably friendly, was reasonably content when I wandered back out 15 minutes later. They certainly don't want you on the premises for 45 minutes!
Never heart of, never seen any, and also cannot imagine any of the institutions or providers offering.
LevNor I. But someone has just declared a need, so an enterprising person will surely find a way to meet it!
Fritobugger
04-04-13, 09:30
I have hit a few of these. Some of the better BBS around town. The largest selection of large breasted gals I have seen in one area. But I have never been in the there more than 30 minutes and they were not thrilled with that length of time.
I've tried a couple of these, they're reasonable. Reasonably clean, reasonably friendly, was reasonably content when I wandered back out 15 minutes later. They certainly don't want you on the premises for 45 minutes!
Member #4689
04-04-13, 10:30
POLICE said they have caught more than 30 people during a raid yesterday of six unlicensed massage parlors located across the street from a middle school. The raid took place after angry parents complained that the businesses appeared to be offering sexual services. Young women dressed in revealing clothing were seen posing or even banging against glass entrance doors to attract male customers at the massage parlors in suburban Minhang District on Tuesday. The massage parlors are only about 10 meters away from the entrance to a middle school across the street on Yejiaqiao Road, and many students have to pass by the businesses on their way to and from school.
Full article : http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Metro/2013/04/04/30%2Bnabbed%2Bin%2Braid%2Bof%2B6%2Bmassage%2Bparlors%2Bnear%2Bschool/
My 2 cents :
- great location and 'brave' LE action, must have needed quite some persuasion and pre-investigation with undercover officers declining HJ etc.
- actually from the description (condom etc) it sounds more like BBS, very revealing clothes etc.
My question : it often baffles me to see such places so open and the girls walking in and out, often making phone calls outside or walking into the shops next door to buy something. Just wonder what the neighbors would think and whether the girls would feel embarrassed (loss of face etc). They usually do not give that impression, perhaps everyone pretends not yo know what happens. Also interesting when you see guys with their SOs walking by, the guys trying not to look at the windows.
Note to self : BE MORE CAREFULL NEXT TIME !!
MmcGreggor
04-04-13, 16:18
Hi guys,
I've out of the scene for a while, last time in Shanghai was 4-5 years back. I was wondering if someone could give me some advice on any action near Le Royal Meridien. I've already read the past 50 pages or so and I think I prefer BBS or outcall rather than sauna service. But I am just wondering if there's something close to the hotel and is the hotel gf?
Thanks in advance,
MC
Any info where can I get pregnant women for sex / masssage in Shanghai?
Any barber shop or prostitutes or others?Shanghai, no, never have seen. Tokyo, sure, no problem!
POLICE said they have caught more than 30 people during a raid yesterday of six unlicensed massage parlors located across the street from a middle school. The raid took place after angry parents complained that the businesses appeared to be offering sexual services. Young women dressed in revealing clothing were seen posing or even banging against glass entrance doors to attract male customers at the massage parlors in suburban Minhang District on Tuesday. The massage parlors are only about 10 meters away from the entrance to a middle school across the street on Yejiaqiao Road, and many students have to pass by the businesses on their way to and from school.
Full article :
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/nsp/Metro/2013/04/04/30
%2Bnabbed%2Bin%2Braid%2Bof%2B6%2Bmassage%2Bparlors%2Bnear%2Bschool/
My 2 cents :
- great location and 'brave' LE action, must have needed quite some persuasion and pre-investigation with undercover officers declining HJ etc.
- actually from the description (condom etc) it sounds more like BBS, very revealing clothes etc.
My question : it often baffles me to see such places so open and the girls walking in and out, often making phone calls outside or walking into the shops next door to buy something. Just wonder what the neighbors would think and whether the girls would feel embarrassed (loss of face etc). They usually do not give that impression, perhaps everyone pretends not yo know what happens. Also interesting when you see guys with their SOs walking by, the guys trying not to look at the windows.
Note to self : BE MORE CAREFULL NEXT TIME!Ha ha, probably all the old tai tai's angry their hubby's getting some action (and spending their money) when they deliver / pick up the grandkid from school. I don't think the general public really cares. Remember, this is a pretty much amoral society, so the sex biz is just another business for the Chinese.
Ha ha, probably all the old tai tai's angry their hubby's getting some action (and spending their money) when they deliver / pick up the grandkid from school. I don't think the general public really cares. Remember, this is a pretty much amoral society, so the sex biz is just another business for the Chinese.I totally agree with you, the goverment always turn a blind eye to the "special service", unless someone report them.
Shanghai Guide
04-05-13, 11:52
I totally agree with you, the goverment always turn a blind eye to the "special service", unless someone report them.Or unless someone stop to pay the "fee" to the officials!
Does anyone know if the Swan Lake bath house complex in Hongqiao offers full service? I got the lowest level massage tonight but I'm thinking to head back and see if I can get some full service. OF course HJ would definitely be on the menu. Even with the lowest level massage (220) cutie. While she wasn't willing to give HJ herself. I simply asked permission to jack myself off while she gave me a massage and she said sure. Had a good time while she watched.
Member #4689
04-05-13, 16:48
OF course HJ would definitely be on the menu. Even with the lowest level massage (220) cutie. While she wasn't willing to give HJ herself. I simply asked permission to jack myself off while she gave me a massage and she said sure. Had a good time while she watched.Seems Do it yourself (DIY) has finally arrived in Shanghai. How much further (down) can things go?
TimScott1210
04-05-13, 17:34
I've been reading for a long time, and normally do boring HE's hoping for a good massage (thus, not much to add). However this trip I followed post #6534 advice first. At the corner they had a massage place under construction. But if you go up stairs, it was more like a sauna. Didn't choose the girl, but asked for "skinny" and mom complied. For 430 or so, got massage, body on body rub and CBJ. Not too bad. Good for the money. Owner came out and greeted me at the desk, asking how well the experience was.
However on Wednesday, I ran into a bunch of English teachers at a bar. Two found out it was my last night in SH. They took me to Judy's. I'm an old guy and these guys were young, but they had me hooked up with a perfect 10, 20 whyear old Thia. 2.0 USD all night. Big money, but I didn't care. Nice girl, however she had no covers and neither did I. I get tested in three weeks. Fuck! Told wife it was a lap-dance gone bad. How many girls come unprotected?
Art Shanghai
04-05-13, 17:35
Hi,
The hotel is definitely girl friendly. Just be sure to never ever pick up any on nanjing dong lu (read the forum for the grisly details). In terms of BBS close by, I think probably the best is along changping lu (again check the forum). It's probably a 10 minute cab ride (no traffic) from Le Meridien.
Hi guys,
I've out of the scene for a while, last time in Shanghai was 4-5 years back. I was wondering if someone could give me some advice on any action near Le Royal Meridien. I've already read the past 50 pages or so and I think I prefer BBS or outcall rather than sauna service. But I am just wondering if there's something close to the hotel and is the hotel gf?
Thanks in advance,
MC
. 2.0 USD all night. Big money,What kind of amount did you pay? Unclear.
. While she wasn't willing to give HJ herself. I simply asked permission to jack myself off while she gave me a massage and she said sure. Had a good time while she watched.She should have been paying your for the show.
She should have been paying your for the show.You got to pay to give yourself a HJ-what is the world coming to!
MrClen
TimScott1210
04-06-13, 04:03
What kind of amount did you pay? Unclear.I told her I didn't have enough RMB, so we agreed $200 USA dollar, which she preferred. Dropped 100 RMB taxi, but only because it was the smallest I had. As an infrequent guest, quality was important.
I told her I didn't have enough RMB, so we agreed $200 USA dollar, which she preferred. Dropped 100 RMB taxi, but only because it was the smallest I had. As an infrequent guest, quality was important.I have rarely found what I spend provides any level of quality. Usually it is the girl and how well she is willing to work for you. But hey that is me
I told her I didn't have enough RMB, so we agreed $200 USA dollar, which she preferred. Dropped 100 RMB taxi, but only because it was the smallest I had. As an infrequent guest, quality was important.You actually got a good deal; average going rate overnight from Judy's or Manhattan (or elswhere) is 1500 RMB, which is 240 USD. And you'd probably normally have to pay a premium over that for going unprotected (if the girl was even willing, most probably are not). And regarding that, I wouldn't worry too much personally, but of course I would get tested and would absolutely avoid unprotected sex with the wife until you are tested and clear. Not to turn this into a "risks and rewards" discussion, but just about everything easy to catch will show up within a week or two, and can be easily cured. The only thing I'd be particularly worried about is herpes; but again if no symptoms within a few weeks you're fine. Not medical advice BTW (I'm not a doctor) , but I have done lots and lots and lots of research on the topic as I'm a married man myself who likes to play the game.
You actually got a good deal; average going rate overnight from Judy's or Manhattan (or elswhere) is 1500 RMB, which is 240 USD. And you'd probably normally have to pay a premium over that for going unprotected (if the girl was even willing, most probably are not). And regarding that, I wouldn't worry too much personally, but of course I would get tested and would absolutely avoid unprotected sex with the wife until you are tested and clear. Not to turn this into a "risks and rewards" discussion, but just about everything easy to catch will show up within a week or two, and can be easily cured. The only thing I'd be particularly worried about is herpes; but again if no symptoms within a few weeks you're fine. Not medical advice BTW (I'm not a doctor) , but I have done lots and lots and lots of research on the topic as I'm a married man myself who likes to play the game.Correction: 200 USD = Approximately 1250 RMB. The real best rate is at a bank in China, but even the airport rates are better than above!
You actually got a good deal; average going rate overnight from Judy's or Manhattan (or elswhere) is 1500 RMB, which is 240 USD. And you'd probably normally have to pay a premium over that for going unprotected (if the girl was even willing, most probably are not). And regarding that, I wouldn't worry too much personally, but of course I would get tested and would absolutely avoid unprotected sex with the wife until you are tested and clear. Not to turn this into a "risks and rewards" discussion, but just about everything easy to catch will show up within a week or two, and can be easily cured. The only thing I'd be particularly worried about is herpes; but again if no symptoms within a few weeks you're fine. Not medical advice BTW (I'm not a doctor) , but I have done lots and lots and lots of research on the topic as I'm a married man myself who likes to play the game.Opps-I misread-please disregard my last post on exchange rates!
Having moved the old locations were too far away. Before CNY I found an acceptable fuck near our new location. She went home for CNY and returned with a sourpuss face, an attitude and the fucking was no good. While she was gone I tried several, one of which gave me her telephone number. A couple of repeats and the fucking got better. They renovated where she worked and invited me to her condo (home as she would have it). Price is comparable to where she worked. And the fucking gets better. She knows no English. She has a translator on her phone. Works well for me.
The area I live in now has many massage establishments. It isn't too far from Hongqiao airport. I've tried 4. Services vary as do prices. Cheapest handjob was 150. Oil massage 238 and up. Never paid over 450 for sex. Not all options are available at all establishments. The girls stand at the glass door in fuck me clothes and some wear fuck me boots.
Send me a pm and I'll tell you what subway and exit I am close to. Great fucking.
Does anyone know if the Swan Lake bath house complex in Hongqiao offers full service? I got the lowest level massage tonight but I'm thinking to head back and see if I can get some full service. OF course HJ would definitely be on the menu. Even with the lowest level massage (220) cutie. While she wasn't willing to give HJ herself. I simply asked permission to jack myself off while she gave me a massage and she said sure. Had a good time while she watched.Do you mean Swan Lake Business Club?
I have made a list of places to visit including:
- Hong Song, Shi Hong Song Dong Lu 1116 (Hilton Hotel 4th Floor)
- Hailang, Zhong Shan Xi Lu 1277.
- Jun Hao, Longming Lu No. 2131, Building C. 3rd Floor. At the Corner to Caobao Lu.
- 999, 999 Tianyaojiao Lu (Xujiahui) My trip to Shanghai is getting nearer and nearer and today I took a look at google maps where the above places are located. And they are all fairly far away from the Bund where I'll be staying!
I am sorry about the newbie question: but is there a sauna located more near me?
TimScott1210
04-09-13, 20:50
I have rarely found what I spend provides any level of quality. Usually it is the girl and how well she is willing to work for you. But hey that is meGood point Sam. I have to admit, I've had better GFE from less attractive women. This one was a little fussy, but not too bad. That said, she went into my bathroom, ran a bubble-bath, and when I walked in, it was the first time a saw part of her body. Wow. Dried her off, looking for flaws. Couldn't find one. I can't say I've ever had that in the States. That's worth something.
TimScott1210
04-09-13, 20:53
You actually got a good deal; average going rate overnight from Judy's or Manhattan (or elswhere) is 1500 RMB, which is 240 USD. And you'd probably normally have to pay a premium over that for going unprotected (if the girl was even willing, most probably are not). And regarding that, I wouldn't worry too much personally, but of course I would get tested and would absolutely avoid unprotected sex with the wife until you are tested and clear. Not to turn this into a "risks and rewards" discussion, but just about everything easy to catch will show up within a week or two, and can be easily cured. The only thing I'd be particularly worried about is herpes; but again if no symptoms within a few weeks you're fine. Not medical advice BTW (I'm not a doctor) , but I have done lots and lots and lots of research on the topic as I'm a married man myself who likes to play the game.I found out since then that I got an "ex-pat, student discount" price because of the guys who took me there. Or, it was it my AARP card? JK, I'm not that old.
MightyWind2
04-10-13, 00:58
hi fellas,
want to share my personal mongering info and experiences in shanghai with the community. i've lurked on this and the other semi-defunct site for a while, so it's time to give some info back again. i made a rundown post of sorts on the other site a couple years back so figured i'the update that (some new info and some info that hasn't changed) and share directly with this community since this site has provided me so much invaluable info. most of this is just personal experience in shanghai. i don't claim to be an expert, so please feel free to correct any misinformation on locations, prices, etc. if any of my info is wrong.
again, respect and thanks to the man 'iloveshanghai' – not sure if he's on this particular forum / site but when i began mongering here, his posts on the other site got me started right.
my background: i've lived in shanghai for almost 6 now, the first year and a half in puxi and the rest in pudong. i started mongering after moving to pudong, since in puxi, i generally pulled tail from bars, clubs and ktvs. most of my mongering these days is in bbss and call-home girls which i'll explain why later. i'm chinese, but i was born and raised overseas, however i am conversant in chinese. this probably needs to be kept in mind because it influences the ways local girls will interact with me versus perhaps a non-asian person won't doesn't speak very well. it's easier for me to ghost into situations.
apologies in advance if my post is long and goes into some details that many will take for granted. i just wanted to thorough and also since there are also always many guys newer to mongering, i hope it can answer a lot of little questions i had when i started out, but that the old-hands took for granted or never mentioned. rereading the post, some stuff is a little bit 'how-to', sorry about this if its windy, but i just wanted to aggregate all my thoughts into one post.
in shanghai, i mainly monger with local girls, so this will only cover local chinese girls. a cultural note: china still tends to be a very conservative culture. even if a particular individual (the working girl in this case) doesn't consider herself to be conservative (even if she's into all sorts of kink) , they won't let on to it unless you've already developed a pretty trusting relationship. in china, the system runs on 'guanxii' or relationships and the same goes for chinese working girls. it usually takes a bit of time / a few visits with a working girl here before she'll fully open up to you. this goes for things like anal, bdsm, barebacking, or other activities. also, if you find a working girl who can provide these, they will often repeatedly make you promise and reassure them that you will not share this about them, as they will lose face and be looked down upon by their colleagues. you also see this when you hear stories about your friends' local girlfriends. often their kinky side starts to show up after the relationship starts to develop and they feel a level of trust to reveal this side.
pudong barbershops (bbss)
i do much of my shanghai mongering in bbss these days as i really like the saunas in macau and save my sauna money for those. i also have slowly developed a network of girls (ktv, massage parlor) that i call to come over to my place for lt, so if i go out for adventures, it's mostly to bbss or he massage places. in pudong there are a few streets (list below) with decent concentrations of bbss. i don't venture outside of pudong for bbss, so i'll just focus on those on the east side of the river.
the bbs experience for those who haven't been is a 'raw' experience. generally it's a small hole in the wall windowed room half-assedly dressed up to barely look like a hair salon. it may or may not have tinted glass (most of the ones i know don't since they want to show the wares inside). inside the window, there will be 3-8 girls dressed to attract exactly what they are trying to attract, usually sitting semi-circle around the room on sofas, barber chairs or seats. once you go in, you will be greeted by one of the girls. they work on a rotating system, so whichever girl is up at bat, will generally greet you by asking if you want a massage: 'an muo ma? ' or 'qiao bei ma? '. you can take her if you like, or simply choose another girl that you like better. once you pick a girl, you are then led into one of the fuck- rooms (often behind a locked door in the back or upstairs). some bbss go so far as to have their rooms concealed behind a fake wall. the rooms run the gamut from rat-trap, to 2-star chinese motel room, honestly speaking. if you are used to fucking in a sauna or your 4-5 star hotel room, you are in for a shocker. the first time i went to a bbs, and subsequently found that it was one of the worst ones i've ever been to cleanliness-wise after having been to many others later, i still vividly remember how 'ghetto' it was. the more you go though, the more desensitized you become, for better or worse.
once you are inside the room, the service is generally the same. the girl will usually start with a bbbj for a few minutes. afterwards, she will slip on the condom and then its onto full service time. most bbs girls are not extremely proactive. it even seems that some of them want to do the least amount of work possible, so don't expect any amazing gfe / pse sex unless you've built up a rapport with a girl and she's into you. some will start out riding you for a little bit, but most end up wanting you to be on top or from behind doing most of the locomotion. once you are done, it's just clean up, dress, pay and time to leave. some girls that will not blow customers, and so will get paid the cheaper price for fs but no bj, in this case they will just fondle you til your hard in place of the bj. some girls will only blow customers with a condom on (but they expect the same price as bbbj girls). i've also asked girls if they would blow me to completion, but some have said its too tiring but they would blow and hj combo if it was ok. it just depends on the girl and your rapport with her. if you want to milk a bbs for the most, you typically need to build a rapport with a girl over several visits. then she will loosen up and also be more inclined to please you as you will become one of her "regular" customers and a more "stable" source of income. if you want more consistent performance or more guarantee of a girl doing what you want and expect, you are better off heading to a sauna where things are more relaxed. bbss are pretty much about wham-bham-thank-you-ma'am. in a bbs, your time limit is about 20-30 minutes depending on the place, after which if they feel things are taking too long, they may ask you to buy another block of time. if you like things really slow, head to a sauna, you'll get more bang for the buck than if you take multiple time blocks in a bbs. although, if you want to bang one girl, then immediately pick another to bang, or after a 20 minute rest / walk outside, then bbss can be your thing.
if you are going to a bbs for the first time, i guess the best piece of information that you can bring with you is knowledge of price. also, leave your expectations for a super clean place at the door. the prices that i have generally been paying are as follows:
bbbj +fs 150-200 rmb (some girls won't go for bbbj and will only do it with a hat on)
only fs 120-150 rmb (some girls just won't blow customers – but they will tell you inside the room)
some bbss will try to charge foreigners 200rmb for fs and 300rmb for fs+bj. you can generally get them to go for the normal 200rmb all-in price if you politely tell them that you always pay 200rmb and are willing to walk out. if you really want her and she won't budge, you can splurge, but as said on the forums, it reinforces this bad habit and practice among the working girls. these girls shift around shops and talk to each other so this bad practice spreads.
the lower prices were at bbss a bit further from the city center, or where the girls are a bit lacking in looks and presentation. i have local friends tell me they can sometimes negotiate it down further, but those prices don't bother me so much, i'the rather pay a reasonable price and have the girl be happy and perform better. i also went to a bbs closer to the city center with a local friend where we each paid 150 for fs and bbbj, where the quality of girls was pretty good, so again i may be paying a 50 rmb premium on top of locals.
if you want to walk in like you know what you are doing, just open the door, walk straight in, smile and 'nod when they ask you if you want a massage, or say, 'qiao bei'. this is pronounced 'chow bay', which directly translated means 'knock back', like the old style fist knocking on back type of massage. and pick one of the girls that you like by pointing at her, or else the girl on deck in their rotation will get up to service you. i've read that some of the girls will freeze up if they aren't used to foreigners. i guess my strategy would be to minimize the time spent in the main reception room, where all the girls are waiting. if you look like you know the routine, i believe that even if the girl has reservations, she will be more willing to go with you into the back than if you look unsure about the process and price. remember, the price cap should be 200 rmb (for fs and bj (covered or not depending on the girl). if asked, just say 200 rmb like that is what you pay all the time, which is what people who live here pay (or less). try not to let your penis take over the negotiations at this point, or you might end up paying more if they want to try to squeeze and extra one or two hundred rmb out of you.
overall, in bbss, you can expect to find the following ratings for the girls: (all subjective)
bodies: 5-9.
faces: 4-7.
ages: 18-35+
be nice to the girls and they will be nice back, and please don't overpay and mess up pricing for everyone else.
pudong bbs streets (some of this info is already around the forums, but i still included for consolidation) :
1. fangcao lu (beicai district, south of century park)
location: directly south of century park and south of longyang lu.
directions: it's about a 2 minute walk from the fanghua lu metro station on line 7. exit the station, walk south for half a block and turn east onto fangcao lu.
the bbss on fangcao lu are all located between hunan lu & baiyang lu. there are currently 12 bbss spread out on this street (more concentrated towards hunan lu). this is my favorite bbs street due to the variety of shops and girls. the quality of girls is not bad and you can find many girls that are 18 to 25. i have a few regulars here that give really good service. prices here are 150 for fs. 200 with uncovered bj. time is typically 30 minutes though i rarely go that long.
2. yinshan lu (jingqiao)
location: one block north of yangao zhong lu, between yunshan lu and zaozhuang lu in jinqiao district.
directions: there's not a metro station super close, but the yunshan lu metro station on line 6 is about a 10 minute walk. exit the station and walk south on yunshan lu, turn east onto yinshan lu. the bbss are located halfway between yunshan lu and zaozhuang lu.
there are about 5 bbss on this street. there used to be more but a couple closed down. there are 3-4 concentrated on the north side of the street next to the big hotel (only one) on that street. they are nestled behind the small small park / grove. there are one or two on the other side. this used to be my favorite street until the couple regulars i had moved away. the girls here have gotten a bit older, but there are always fresh girls turning up, so i still visit now and then. prices here are 150 for fs. 200 with uncovered bj.
3. eshan lu (west of century park)
location: eshan lu between pudong lu and nanquan lu. it's the tangqiao district relatively near the nanpu bridge and directly east of century park about 5 blocks.
directions: it's near the lancun lu metro station on line 4. exit the station and walk north along dongfang lu one block and turn west onto eshan lu.
this street has changed a bit, so some of my info may be off since i haven't hit one of these ones for quite a while. the one place i used to go to is now a noodle shop. many of the bbss look to be rebranded as foot massage places. there are about 3 that still look more obviously to be bbss, but there is a high concentration of shops with skimpy clad bbs-looking girls, but with the shop advertising foot massages. i suspect these are just guerilla bbss but i haven't tried one to confirm. i suspect all it would take to find out would be to walk into one and ask if they 'qiao bei' or not. i guess i should just take one for the team and pop in. one funny thing i like about this street is that there are a couple mahjong dens filled with old people in plain site.
4. yinghua lu (century park)
location: yinghua lu between baiyang lu and haitong lu a couple blocks directly south of century park.
directions: it's near the century park metro station on line 2. take exit 2 from the station and walk south on haitong lu for a block, turn east onto yinghua lu. the four bbs will be on the north side of the street nearer to baiyang lu.
i don't frequent this street too often as they do price fixing on this street as far as i can tell. the prices were 200 rmb for fs and an additional 100 rmb for bj, so 300 rmb for bj + fs, or 200 rmb for fs alone. in the past i've tried charm and negotiation, but found no girls that are willing to budge on the price. this may have changed in the last year or so, but i haven't been back to haggle more. the reason for the prices is that this street is sandwiched between two international business hotels and is within walking distance of the shanghai international expo center (not world expo site). so, they get a lot of foreign visitor traffic. overall the service on the street was not bad when i tried. the places are on the cleaner end of the spectrum and the girls were not too bad – there were very cute and skinny girls there a while back. this is not a bad street to break into / try out the bbs scene if you are a little bit wary or squeamish of trying out a bbs. and i suppose the 100 rmb premium is not so bad if you are traveling in and want something quick and convenient. just for some of us based here, we can get a little bit cheaper travelling 5-10 extra minutes to a more local area.
5. others.
my friend have told me about a bbs street near qixia lu, near pudong ave – this would be near the dalian lu tunnel, but i have not ventured up to take a look, so if anyone has info, would love to hear it.
there are also many places with one or two bbss rep001tered here and there, so get out there and explore.
saunas
so i kinda stopped going to shanghai saunas about two years ago since my work brings me to macau every couple of months. the macau saunas and level or services truthfully ruined the shanghai sauna experience for me. i basically save my money for the macau saunas since they are quite a bit more expensive (but worth it). now if i monger i mostly hit bbss or call up the network of ktv girls or he massage girls that i've built up and have them come over to my place. i used to go to the three most popular saunas in pudong: bodi, merrylin and sacrosa. do a search on those if you are looking for a pudong sauna, i did enjoy them very much when i went. i do want to try the merrylin since i have not been since the renovation. if i go, i'll post up a report.
for newcomers, i'll give a general sauna rundown instead of reviews since my info is outdated and there are many great sauna reviews on here.
if you want to try a sauna, they all run on the same general system. once you make your way into a sauna, you are shown in from the reception desk into a community locker area. i'm not sure if some of the higher end saunas have private locker areas, but none that i've seen so far. you are given a locker and wristband key and there you strip down until you are butt naked and your clothes and other items are stored in the locker, and you get a pair of slippers. there will probably an attendant or two standing nearby and waiting for you / watching you undress, it's never pleasant but get over it. you are also provided a ziplock-ish type plastic bag to put belongings you want to take inside with you, generally mobile phone, cigarettes, lighter, & glasses. you are then taken to the shower area where there are semi-private shower stalls. your ziplock bag of belongings will be taken by an attendant to be returned after you shower. there you shower (wash your ass crack out well). you can also request a disposable toothbrush / shaver if you are not offered one. if you need to go to the bathroom, before the shower is probably the best time to do so. after your shower, you are directed to the drying area where you will be given a towel to dry yourself and there will be attendants to help you dry your back if you require so. you are then given the sauna's customer spa-wear set: cotton shorts and cotton robe-type top with tie strings, and a dry set of slippers. you are then lead to a private or community waiting room (if all private ones are full) where you will be asked to wait for them to prepare the lineup or to prepare your girl if you booked ahead. you are offered a drink (tea, soda, water) but you can also order beers or other menu items if you like. the rooms generally have a reclining seat, ottoman, towel blankets, end table and tv. i've waited up to 45 mins in the waiting room before on busy days, and i've heard of longer periods, so it generally pays to go during slower hours or to book your girl ahead of time once you've found one you like or have been recommended by a friend. i've heard of longer waiting periods, which would suck. once you are ready or they are ready for you, the attendant comes in and fetches you. you are then brought to the lineup which is different for each place – some have a 'fishbowl' room of girls behind a window (regular glass, not one-way) , or a large room with a small stage where the girls line up. if it's super busy, sometimes they may bring a selection of one or a few girls directly to your room to pick. pass and wait if it does not suit your taste. once you pick your girl, she leads you to your private room. if it's a soapy massage place, it will be a bedroom attached to a large open shower type room with its own massage table for the soapy / wet massage. if it's a non-soapy place, it's just a room with a queen bed and nightstand.
if you go with the flow, the girl will take you through the standard operating procedure. for soapy, the first half is you are seated on a split stool and your girl will wash you down. then it's onto the soapy massage table, where she will lather you up and give you a soapy slippety slide massage (covered ad nauseum in this forum so i won't go into too much detail). after this you are dried off and led to the bed area where the script converges with non-soapy places.
once on the bed, the girls will go through the general script (also covered ad nauseum on this site, so i'll be brief). cat lick massage, booby massage, deep anal rimming, fire and ice bbbj (cim if you want) , and then boning time. you are free to go off script at any point. generally the girl needs to please you, otherwise she fears that the customer will report or complain that their reasonable requests were not fulfilled, and she will be fined or have her pay deducted.
a note on timing: i used to try to go earlier in the day. after or around lunch time. some saunas will have an early-bird discount (before 5 or 6pm?) , little to no wait time (though there are fewer girls than peak period) and the girls are fresher since they are at the start of their shift. just my two cents.
shanghai ktvs
while not to everyone's taste, my friends and i love ktv and we still swing many girls out of ktvs (both freebies and paid) – i'the say the company you go with dictates how much fun a ktv will be. ktv is basically a hostess services in a private karaoke room that can cater from two people up to large party 'vip' rooms. you are given a private karaoke room furnished with wraparound sofa around a large lcd karaoke screen, and then you order alcohol to drink with your friends and the girls you pick. some, but not all, of the girls are available for paid short or long-time take homes. i'the venture to say that most of the girls are down to hang out and go home with a guy if they like him. i have met almost no prudish ktv girls, or least where it wasn't a thin act at hard to get. it is still a business and they want repeat customers and know they need to provide services sometimes to keep customers, or if they just want to have a good time for themselves. many of the girls do not consider themselves full-on working girls, so many are willing to go home as freebies if they like you and you treat them nicely. over the years, i've developed a nice list of ktv girls who i can call up to go party with (usually fuck them for free at the end of the night, but the guys pay for the tabs if we go to bars or clubs) , can call for paid st / lt (some want money, some want small gifts so they do feel as much like hos) , and some even booty call me or my friends if they are lonely, bored, horny, drunk, or all of the above. it does take time to develop some of these relationships, but if you are here over the long haul, it's a good option to consider. a note about ktv girls as girlfriends: generally it's a lot of trouble and not worth it to date a ktv girl. the one's i've dated even over short term have been pretty unstable and also really clingy (again, could just be my selection of girls). just not worth the trouble for the sex, even if she likes it up the ass or is a freak. i prefer to keep them at arms distance and keep it a bit more professional: money or small gifts, no strings attached clearly communicated – we are friends with benefits. no message bombs, calls at work during the day, or drunk calls or banging on door at 3-4am.
also, written in the forum before, the main draw of ktv is the social aspect of it. especially if you have clients, customers, guests or friends who you may not want to reveal your mongering ways to (or vice versa). it's a much less hardcore atmosphere. no one is ever pressured to bring a girl home. that said, i still prefer going with a group of friends rather than for business, so we can really cut loose. mongers may ask where the value is in ktvs. it's more about the social experience than just straight to sex. for my friend and i, it's a place with alcohol, girls, fun, games and no pressure, where we can hang out, get sloshed, and take a girl home if we want or try to at least if its not pre-arranged. for guaranteed take-home girls, you have to ask the mamasan to specifically bring in lineups of take-home girls. bringing a girl home from ktv can also be subtly and secretly arranged with the girl without letting anyone else know either if required – you could agree to meet down the street or after your customer or friends have left.
in short, i've found ktv to be a great avenue to meet good looking young local girls who may or may not be paid-take-home girls (as in some will go for freebies). overall, out of girls that you will meet in bbs, sauna, happy ending massage / spas, ktv girls will tend to be the most attractive and most numerous of the lot, sometimes with from 300-500 girls working on busy nights at the larger places, most aged 18-25. almost all of the ktvs we like are in puxi.
other extras, while mostly unavailable during the world expo period, many ktvs have brought back topless / full nude (the ktv girls strip) dances and games, and topless / nude round-robin lap-dances at the end of the night. these activities have come back and are a big sell point for the ktvs that compete for our business. some ktvs have portable pole-dancing poles they can set up if you want a show. obviously the girls are not nude the whole time, just when the mamasan announces a topless / nude dance for a song. once the drinking has started, there is usually generous groping going on around the room with or without the girls' clothes.
the general procedure is about the same at most ktvs. you and your friends arrive and a hostess will show you to your room. we generally book ahead since we have some usual spots we like and know the girls & mamasans well, tried and true places, but you can also show up cold. if you show up for the first time somewhere without booking ahead, just take some time to talk to the mamasan / manager to clear up the costs on everything. sometimes if we are trying out a new place for the first time, we will give them a flat price we want everything to be (excluding girl tips) so that we can try the place out and come back if we like it. we haven't had any bad experiences being conned, but most of our group speaks chinese well to fluently and we explain the prices we expect and the competing places that we go to. when we have had arguments, it's usually on account of them putting charges on the bill that we already said we didn't want to see on there, such as mixers & juices. nothing huge, but more about principle, if they expect to ever see our faces or our money again.
after you arrive in your room (size based on how many people in your party) you are generally asked if you would like to start seeing girls or what you would like to order to drink. we usually order alcohol and then ask them to start bringing the lineups of girls in. you can chill for a little bit too if you want to talk to your friends or customers, and they will bring in the ubiquitous fruit plate.
the lineups of girls starts to come in and there are generally about 15-20 or more girls per lineup in the places we go to. most ktvs feature a large u-shaped sofa arrangement around a center table (s) and the girls will stand in front of the sofa in a lineup for selection. they will generally go down the line introducing themselves by where they come from. 'sichuan', 'hunan', chongqing', etc, etc. if someone sees one they like, they point to her and she will come and sit next to the fellow. if no one sees anything they like you just say 'thank you' and the lineup exits to make room for the next lineups. they will generally keep bringing in fresh line ups provided they have enough girls. if someone is picky and can't find a girl after several lineups, they can sometimes (depending on the place) go to the holding pen where all the girls are waiting and hanging out and see if they see one they like. also, if in the beginning you have already picked a girl, but see one you would much rather have, it's ok to switch out girls. we usually try to do this within the first 20-30 minutes, otherwise we might give the girl a small 100-200 rmb tip to 'get lost' if its been about an hour. if you keep a girl for longer, you generally will need to full tip her to switch her out. most mamasans have a group of girls they generally like to work with or who they feel provide good services so they will bring their 'favorites' first, so sometimes it doesn't hurt to see if there are new faces in the crowd. the sweet spot for arriving is around 7:45-8:15. most groups arrive around that time and on a crowded night, the lookers tend to get picked very quickly. by going earlier you generally get to see the best lookers. unless its not busy, after 9:00-10:00 the selection becomes thinner, since many already have sat down with a customer. preferences are subjective so you might be able to see several you think are hot at that time though. around 11:00-11:30 some of the good looking ones who have been picked first may start rotating out if their customers leave early, and they can be rotated back into the lineups for parties that show up late, or for guys who came late and haven't found a girl yet and are just chilling and drinking.
the rest of the evening, after everyone is settled in and more or less has a girl (or two or three) is that you can have your girls sing songs, play dice games, play group drinking games and dance if you want (naked at some places). the evenings start out pretty chill, but as people start getting tipsy, the party usually picks up, unless you are with customers who are more reserved in which case you can keep things chill. the mamasan will pop in and out of the room (she has to rotate around her rooms) and toast everyone and play some games for a little bit before moving on. there is a dj girl who is kind of the bartender and cleaning girl for the room. she makes and servers drinks, can help select songs, do requests like get cigarettes or more drinks, etc. at some places there is a waiter who doesn't do very much except deliver the alcohol to the room and come by every hour or so with hot towels for wiping faces and hands. we hate having to tip this guy but it just goes with the territory. also, some ktv places have private bathrooms (attached to the room or nearby) while others have community bathrooms. in the community bathroom there is almost always a bathroom attendant who turns on the faucet for you and hands you a towel. he usually also has gum and candy on a tray if you want a piece. we usually tip this guy 20-50rmb for the night depending on the level of the place. one unsettling thing they often do too is that while the customer is at the urinal, they will come up behind you and start giving you a shoulder massage while your peeing. i used to say,"please, no thanks", but just gave up after awhile and put up with it now. it's part of the service. just don't freak and turn around and punch the guy.
that's pretty much how the night goes. we usually start around 8:00pm and it can go until 2:00am or later at some places. sometimes if the girls are cool, we may leave earlier and take the whole group to a club or bar to keep partying outside. it depends on the girls though, some love to party, some are more homebody.
can you go to ktv with just two people? yes you can, our friends and i have gone to ktv as a duo on several occasions and it can be just as fun, although typically we go in groups of 3 – 6 people. it depends on who your partner in crime is of course, and also the girls that you select and how wild by nature they are. we just try to get the girls to drink more early on to loosen things up.
there are also some japanese and korean style ktvs that also cater to single travelers. these sometimes have a community room where all the single guys can sit in private sofa stalls with their girl – this means the karaoke singing is public too. not my style, but if you are traveling solo, this can be an option. many of these offer the take-home option, although i don't have as much experience with these places.
that said, ktv is not for everyone, i've met guys who hate it or don't understand it, or would rather be in a bar / club / lounge chasing tail. to each his own.
don't stress about language. if you are relaxed and having fun, the girl will relax and have fun too and you can get some chemistry going. i've brought many customers and foreign friends who don't speak a word of chinese, who have swung freebies from their girls.
there are a few different tiers of ktvs, which are generally broken down by the class / appearance of the girls they employ. to keep it simple, i'll break it down into three general tiers, which are tied to price, and i won't talk about other ktvs which focus on japanese or korean clientele.
average price for a night out for 3-4 guys: (good news is, prices haven't changed much for the past few years as competition is fierce among ktvs)
alcohol: two bottles of (circle one: black label, chivas, ballantines, other comparable) whisky, with mixers (green tea in our case) 1800. 2000 rmb.
mamasan tip: 300-400 rmb.
server girl / dj: 300 rmb (she is there all night)
waiter: 100 rmb (he is in and out)
we'll say 2800 rmb divided 4 ways is 700 rmb per person.
then add your girl tip on top of that, it generally comes out to about 1000-1200 rmb per person.
here's a bit more on the different levels of ktvs. prices of alcohol and extras will go up or down according to the quality of girls in stock and their sit down tip price.
1. high class: these ktvs feature 'model' quality girls who are generally taller and slim. generally these girls will be dressed in ball gowns, or may wear their own dresses or fashionable clothes, which are generally more 'elegant' than the general chick-on-huai hai road population. i have only been to a couple of these places and don't have much desire nor occasion to go to these. these cater to high-end business people or high-rollers neither of which describes me. you could bring a vip customer here, if they expressed they were into ktv and you weren't sure if they liked to 'cut loose' or not. generally the atmosphere is more chill, and it looked like it would take a lot more effort to get the party a little rowdy, at least when i've gone. i would not go unless someone else is footing the bill.
girl tip price: 800-1000+
2. middle road: these ktv girls run the gamut from 5-9s in the looks and body department. these are by far the most numerous ktv establishments in the downtown / central areas. usually they have the largest selections of girls (up to hundreds) and you are bound to find something that you like unless you are very picky or go late after most of the best-lookers have been picked. we've had very rowdy parties in these places. my friends and i frequent these the most.
girl tip price: 400-600 for sit down.
3. 2 buck chuck: these ktvs are also numerous in the city and can be found both inside and outside the central areas. girls here are very hit and miss imo. sometimes you find a diamond in the rough but i've found the girls here to be either farm-fresh, older so as to not be eligible in the middle range ktvs, or perhaps lacking in the looks or manners department. still fun though.
girl tip price: 200-300 for sit down.
take home prices for ktv: if you wind up wanting to take a ktv girl home, you generally negotiate with her while still in the room. or if you want some privacy, have her go with you to the bathroom (they generally have to escort you to the bathroom and wait for you there) so you can ask her in the hallway. ktv offer short time or long time. they usually open quote at 1000-1500rmb (i usually burst out laughing if they open with 1500rmb) for short time, but this can be negotiated down to as low as 500rmb depending on if they are into you or not (most will wind up staying over-night since my bed is cush). for long time, i've heard opening quotes for 1500-2000rmb, again can be negotiated down depending on your charm, i've not paid more than 800rmb for lt with a ktv girl – just my personal limit for them take it or leave it. again, i'd say the trick and game would be to try to charm the ktv girl into going home with you for free 'as friends', however if you want a sure thing, then money always talks. always always ask before you leave the place – or else you might think she likes you and in the morning she asks you for money when you thought it was a freebie. one problem is with going to the usual places we like is that my friends and i will sometimes have a rep as the girls all talk, and it's harder to swing freebies from the girls unless they are brand spanking new.
anal
i've come to really enjoy anal, but it takes some work finding it as it's not as plentiful as in some other unnamed southeast asian countries. you also have to poke around (literally) for it and may sometimes need to throw some cash at it to get it. i'm only going to address local girls in this section. i'm sure the pinay, thai and viet girls here are more 'advanced' in this aspect, but i don't have first hand experience in shanghai, i don't do the freelancer circuit in bars like manhattans, but there are many users on the forum who can fill in here for those who are looking for more info on that.
in bbss, i've only found four girls who do anal so far. each one has always wanted extra money for it. the two ones i see regularly i tip them an extra 100rmb, so 300rmb total for bj, fs and anal. both refused on my first couple visits with them, but then relented, so again, i think it takes time to build relationships and for the girls to get comfortable with you to get to the good stuff here. i always tell myself that since i'm their regular i should just ask for it to be included it for normal 200rmb, but i always go soft-hearted when i am pounding them full-force and full-speed in the rear and don't ask them when it's time to pay.
i've found more ktv girls who are willing to do, or at least try anal, but only a couple who have been willing to do it on the first time together, so it does take some time and money to find out which ktv girls are more freaky. i've been with quite a few ktv one-nighters who let me go 'two in the pink, one in the stink' on the first time but wouldn't let me do the real deal. these girls would eventually go for it i'm sure, but again, you'the have to wine & dine them or take them out a couple times.
i believe most of the local fls working outside the clubs / bars (like at the bund) will be down for this since they are more used to servicing foreign clientele than perhaps some bbs or ktv girls. i also usually don't go the streetwalker-outside-of-bar thing, but my first anal experience in shanghai was one night i was pretty drunk and i walked up to one of the better looking ones standing outside and said 'hi, anal? '. she said yeah, and being drunk and excited i agreed to pay 800 rmb (i was drunk) for a single popper in the pooper. we took a cab to a ghetto ass 50 rmb short-time 'motel' and did the deed. then, being drunk, i agreed to drop her back off at the bar before going home. i'm a good guy like that when i'm drunk.
usually before i ask a bbs, sauna or ktv girl if she is willing to do anal bbs, sauna or ktv girl, i'll creep in on her backdoor with your thumb or finger and massage it and slowly try to finger her. if she doesn't jerk up or scream in surprise or if she seems like she likes it, i go ahead and ask.
multiple girls
still haven't found that porn-scene experience with two chinese girls in shanghai yet – have tried in bbss, saunas, and even double girl ktv take homes. i suspect i may need to try the non-chinese girls in shanghai for this. the chinese girls i've met won't typically engage in girl on girl action – maybe i'm looking in the wrong place or just selecting poorly. one girl will typically just massage or kiss your body while you are boning the other girl. then switch wrapper and switch girl. in sauna, you can request a bj while the other girl rims you, but that's about as kinky as i've seen with sauna girls = (. or they both lie there. generally though, if you want more than one girl let your girl pick the other girl for a threesome, that way they are more likely to have worked together before, or are friends and it will most likely make for a better experience. i've noticed the girls to be a little more reserved than when one-on-one too, probably having to do with face issues in front of their friend / coworker and wanting to seem conservative. sigh.
happy endings / massage parlors
happy ending (he) places are located most everywhere throughout the city. how to differentiate one from a regular massage place? there are some tell-tale signs to look for. typically the first tell-tale sign from far away is the store's signage. most will have the words massage and spa together in their title – 'spa' being the keyword. another dead-giveaway is that there will be (in addition to chinese) japanese and / or korean wording on the sign. if you can't tell the difference between japanese, korean, and chinese writing, just google it i guess. these are the 20-meters-away signs of a happy ending place. once you get nearer to the front door / window, the second tell-tale sign will be that the girls are typically dressed in black miniskirts, black pantyhose and black high heels. come to think of it, i think this has been the dress for 95-98% of the happy ending places i've been to. they might mix it up with a white short jacket, but generally if the girls are in tight miniskirts and showing off lots of leg in high heels, bingo you are good to go. the girls are the enticement so they will be deliberately showcasing the girls in the front window. bbs girls do not typically have a standard uniform, where much more revealing clothing and generally look more ho-ish for lack of a nicer word. basically if the girls look sexy and a bit like uniformed sexy office ladies – it is a he place.
store appearance and layout also differentiate a happy ending spa from a bbs. bbss will typically be a semi-dingy looking hole in the wall room that has a barber chair or two in front of a large mirrored wall. the focus is not cleanliness or presentation. happy-ending spas will actually look more like a legit massage place, except for the girls in their sexy outfits. the lobby / entrance will typically be clean and have a orderly reception counter. the girls will be off to one side on a 'nice' couch or sofa.
legit massage places (zero or super super discrete hanky-panky) generally won't have their masseuses dressed up and looking skanky or too sexy. uniforms might be loose fitting track suit type outfits to yoga wear-type clothing. generally you don't expect any hanky panky if you go to one of these places, or if the massage place has a very chinese-looking theme: old chinese style with lots of wood (like congen massage chain). i have been very tempted to, but haven't directly asked a legit massage place girl to give me a happy ending, although at some places there has been 'inadvertent' ball or shaft brushing, maybe as a tease. i think i've been afraid to ask because it's at the ones i typically go to for legit massages and would be embarrassed to show up again if i asked and was rejected.
typical massage starts with a legit body massage (quality depends on skill of girl). this will then evolve into an ass and light or heavy (depending on your pref) asshole massage and then flip over and onto the frank and beans. generally you will provide the girl a 100 rmb tip for a hj during a 60-90 minute massage session. if i double up the session i will tip 200, although i don't know if this is common practice or not. the massage itself will probably cost (depending on shop) between 180-350 rmb. you typically shower (in the room) before and after the oil hj massage. you can generally grope the girl, though she might want a tip for taking her top or panties off (depends on girl and your relationship with her). some girls are ok with fingering (pussy and / or ass) some girls are not – again depends on girl. if you go to a he place near lots of expats / foreign travelers (jinqiao and near the expo come to mind) , expect the girls to want 300+ tip for a he. i try to avoid these places as the girls have been spoiled.
lateiy, i've been able to bone several massage parlor girls in-store. this wasn't the case a couple years back for me. i'm not sure what has changed or if it's just been a change of luck or the economy. i used to be unable to get a massage parlor girl to fuck me in the shop, even if i offered them 1500rmb tip (more to see what their limit was, not really would have paid that) , even as one of their regular customer. one important thing i've found is timing. if i want to bone a he girl in-shop, i will typically show up really late, near closing time – this seems to be the golden hour. most of the shops will accommodate customers past closing time if they show up before. most of the shops will close at 2am, so i will show up at 1am. after 2am, most of the other customers and employees will be gone or asleep and the girl will relax some and not worry about being heard or caught. i've boned quite a few he girls and tip them just an extra one or two hundred over what they would normally get. 200-300rmb total tip (not including the massage price). some places, the girls are more savvy and will ask for 500-600+, but everything is negotiable. i obviously i don't pay that and never pick those girls again for a massage and tell them that and follow through to drive home the message not to price gouge. they are aware of bbss and saunas and the prices around town for sex. i've had the girls tell me that there is a substantial fine from the shop if they are caught having sex on premises and also it presents a danger from le to the shop, so this is understandable – i guess it depends on each particular shop how hard they enforce this.
out of shop is a different story. i have quite a few massage girls who are more than willing to come over to my place for a massage and fs overnight. generally i pay them what i would pay for the service and tip in store, generally around 500-600 rmb (some girls will ask for more, but that is my limit) for a massage and all night fs til morning. some extra money for cab. it is extra money for their day off or off hours. again, it generally takes a couple visits to build up a relationship and then they are pretty open to most stuff. have had some of the best gfe from these type girls. just have to watch the line where they start expecting more from you emotionally – best to keep it more business. a rotating pool of girls helps so you are not constantly seeing one or two girls. some of the girls will also pimp their friends from around town to you, so it's a nice system if you have time to develop it. if you run into a he massage girl that you dig, you can ask her if she's willing to do outcall to your place – most will be down for the right price.
lingerie / costumes
i'm a lingerie and stockings guy and like to dress up some of the bbs girl i go to or the ones i bring home. buy and bring your own. amy's bedroom:
http://www.smartshanghai.com/venue/5185/amys_bedroom
(no, i'm not affiliated) has the best selection i've found (though a little more pricey than other places) : lingerie, uniforms, toys, etc. you can also buy thigh high stockings at the shanghai sci-tech museum underground market and around town – just look for the socks and underwear vendors. if you are a high heels guy like me – you can get inexpensive trashy or nicer looking high heels at the qipu road (north of people square) fashion shopping marts – have had a few girls take me take them shopping up there 'yep, i'm still a sucker sometimes'. but it's cheap and i make them buy slutty bedroom clothes and high heels / fuck-me-boots to wear for me. high heels are like 50-80 rmb / pair, ho-boots a little more.
safety
i guess the two main areas of safety to worry about are related to either your wallet or your dick. to avoid being ripped off, obviously avoid scams if possible. if you are directly solicited for mongering, especially by a dude asking you if you 'want lady? ', or a girl directly approaching you in a crowded touristy area to talk, practice english, drink tea, that is a huge red flag. stay away or run away. 100% gaurantee you are going to get scammed or worse.
once you get to your mongering destination, the biggest weapon you have against being ripped off is knowledge of prices. this forum is filled with pricing info and guidelines. learn it and stick to it. if you haggle a questionable quote, you won't look like a cheapy, you will just demonstrate that you are knowledgeable or experienced. and don't carry huge amounts of cash on you if you can avoid it, i've never been pickpocketed or had money stolen while mongering, but its just a safety precaution from perhaps losing some money from your pocket while getting dressed in the darker rooms.
condoms: use them. i admittedly have barebacked quite a few bbs, ktv and he girls and a majority were internal completion / creampies – i'm not bragging here, but using myself to illustrate that safe sex isn't widely practiced around here, so be safe and smarter than i am. if i am doing it, then a hell of a ton of other guys are too (local and expat). thankfully, i've not caught any stds yet while in china (i get tested every 6-8 months in the states – for sanity) , but i know it's a crap shoot and that the working girls here are not any cleaner than any other country. i started out boning ktv girls bareback while drunk and stupid, i guess that's one danger of ktv is that you are sloshed when you go back with a girl, so judgement isn't sound. and it's a bad bad bad slippery slope. i still bareback with some ktv and he massage girls that come over to my place that i've known for a while. i've had a couple bbs girls that we started to bone bareback after a while of being their regular customer – a couple told me they only do it with me, but i'the be dumb to believe that crock. i've had other bbs girls ask me if i want to do them without a condom for an extra 100rmb tip – on the first time we meet. big red flag. when i asked them about that, they said they don't do that with just anybody, only people that appear clean or based on personal judgement. wow, scary. even in shanghai saunas, i've barebacked a couple girls, mostly after i visited them a few times. i tell this story to illustrate that many of the girls don't know about, don't know how, don't care about or don't worry about safety. and some think they can eyeball someone and tell if that person is clean or not. i doubt i was the only guy she has done this with. so, please be safe and assume all these girls don't know much (or even scarier – don't care) about safe sex and the consequences of stds.
hope some of this was helpful to some people.
stay safe, good luck and have fun out there. happy mongering!
mightywind
PuttPutt509
04-10-13, 03:20
My trip to Shanghai is getting nearer and nearer and today I took a look at google maps where the above places are located. And they are all fairly far away from the Bund where I'll be staying!
I am sorry about the newbie question: but is there a sauna located more near me?Siyuan in the Merrylin Hotel is very convenient from the Bund / Nanjing road area. It is well reviewed here. It's an easy subway trip from the Bund area on the 2 line, just a couple of stops. Then a short walk.
Shanghai Guide
04-10-13, 07:11
My trip to Shanghai is getting nearer and nearer and today I took a look at google maps where the above places are located. And they are all fairly far away from the Bund where I'll be staying!
I am sorry about the newbie question: but is there a sauna located more near me?Http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/sauna-clubs/shanghai-sauna-map/
You can fill in your adress here and check the distance to some of the most popular Sauna locations. There are so many Sauna Clubs in Shanghai, so definitly there will be one nearby, but I would recommend not to check out one that has not been reviewed here in the forum or is not listed on the shanghai-nightlife-guide page, because some clubs will rip you off, so could be you will be charged with several thousand RMB for a session. So better take a taxi, spend 40 RMB to drive to a sauna you know it is trustfull. From your location, some good Sauna places can be reached in less than 20 minutes if you are not try to go there in the rush hour, so no need to take the risk and try unknown places.
Guitarrefreak
04-10-13, 07:31
Siyuan in the Merrylin Hotel is very convenient from the Bund / Nanjing road area. It is well reviewed here. It's an easy subway trip from the Bund area on the 2 line, just a couple of stops. Then a short walk.+1 on siyuan.
Heard that its the same boss as bodi.
Actually one of the "zhu muo" girl over there has an identical twin at bodi!
I should have tried to game both sisters and see if they were interested in coming out on a date, but alas, missed opportunities
Hi my friends,
I'll be next month in Shanghai ZTE Hotel. Please do you know if the hotel is girl friendly? Any advice about spa or KTV around this hotel?
Please PM me for any advice.
Thanks,
Dany
MightyWind2
04-10-13, 15:57
Hi guys,
Wanted to throw out some info on WeChat (Weixin to the locals) as another way to meet girls / women (normal and working) in Shanghai.
Many of you living here or traveling here a lot probably know about this already, but I'll throw it out to the rest of the community as well because I don't think I've seen anything written so far, although I skip many pages browsing through the archives.
WeChat is a mobile-only social networking app (smartphone platform) that released at the beginning of last year in China as Weixin by Tencent (and now they are taking it global, thus the more western friendly name 'WeChat'). Basically it's like Whatsapp, but with many more features added – typical Chinese style, take something proven and then add features / beef it up a la Weibo / Twitter, QQ / MSN.
It's free to download and use for now, although the bastard telecoms have gotten involved since it has put a huge dent into their SMS business. I believe they will be charging small fees for sending messages and making social 'moments' posts later in the year (causing a big stink among the community right now) , but for now its still free.
This is already pretty big in the pick-up seen for locals for the last year (overtaking QQ) , so I'll give the short-version.
Basically the golden feature of WeChat is the 'Look Around' function. After you register your account (yep there's English) and create your profile (if you want to) , there is an awesome proximity-based function via GPS that lets you search for other users around you. Based upon the user density, it will provide you a listing of users that are within 1-2km of your position. You can filter for 'female' users only (and male too if that floats your boat). From there you can preview the female's profile, and most users (80-90%) post pictures of themselves. It also lets you browse through 10 of their most recent 'moments'. Social posts (which is simply a group of up to 9 pictures and probably a line or two of text) – mainly to check out what they look like – yep you get tons of pics of food and random shit, but most cute girls post pics of themselves since Chinese girls like to show themselves off especially if they think themselves cute.
If you see someone you like, you can send them a greeting and see if they respond. If they respond to your message by adding / accepting you, you can chat with them and also will be able to see all their posts (dependent upon their settings, but they usually make them all public). Sometimes when I'm traveling through a new area or have downtime, I'll pull up the look around function and see what girls are around. The beauty of it is that you can refresh it constantly and the pool changes depending on where you are in the city and the movement of people. Endless supply of girls to hit up.
I usually receive an 'accept' 1 out of every 8 or 10 girls I send greetings to. Cute girls do get WeChat greeting bombs, so probably ignore most greetings. It helps to have a profile and background pic on there and some 'moments' posts so you seem like a regular Joe (not that you aren't). From there you can chat and see where it leads depending on how charming you are. I've hooked up with and boned one cougar so far and have gotten coffee dates with a couple cute girls (though no fun with them yet) – would probably have to work the wine & dine road, and they are probably hoping for a legit BF. I know other guys / my friends have had better luck hunting than me, probably as I'm a lazy fuck when it comes to pursuing regular girls in this city.
More pertinent to this forum is that I've noticed that there are a lot of what I assume are freelancers or agency users on WeChat too now. They are pretty easy to spot by their profile pic (girl in lingerie or super sexy outfit). And once you navigate in, the posts are more enticing pics of the girls. I also get random greetings from these type users (as they probably filter males and greeting bomb). My assumption is that they operate like the QQ agencies, but instead of on QQ, on WeChat. The thing is I've noticed that they are everywhere throughout the city, so hopefully there are some apartment girls working independently (though from what I've read unlikely – I haven't really tried the QQ route so others have real first-hard experience. Would love to hear from some of the guys that have tried the WeChat method and their experiences. If not, maybe I'll take one for the team and see where one goes as I have been very curious.
You can get WeChat from the Google Play store for Android or App Store for iOS. Here is their EN site if you are interested:
http://www.wechat.com/en/
And, NO, I'm not affiliated.
Here's an article about how they are wanting to cash in on their free service – it's still free for now, so it's a good time to take a look.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323622904578128801043447718.html
Anyway, whether you use it for mongering or not, it's a good service to use with friends. The nice thing about WeChat unlike other social network apps is that the circles are completely private. So none of your friends / coworkers can see the girls you post to unless they happen to have them in their circle too – if you comment on or message them on their public 'moments'.
I'm relooking at my post and I may be making it sound way more complex than it is. If you download it it's really self explanatory. The "Look Around" function is under the "Social" tab. There are only four tabs and its very streamlined.
I've been having lots of fun with it for the past half year (though I haven't been too fruitful – I can only blame myself). Lots of the girls do speak some English and there is always initial mutual curiosity, so you charm cats should have a ball.
Hmm, not sure what else to say about it – but post up if you have any questions =)
Stay safe and have fun out there!
Mightywind
Thank you for your feedback!
And thank you Mightywind for that excellent text!
I am looking forward to my adventures!
Hi fellas,
Want to share my personal mongering info and experiences in Shanghai with the community. I've lurked on this and the other semi-defunct site for a while, so it's time to give some info back again...This is the most comprehensive report on the various mongering possibilities in China I have seen. This should be required reading for all newbies to China!
I personally don't do much on the BBS or Sauna scene, but the information on the KTV's is spot on. I may disagree on some of the pricing (Shanghai must be higher than I am used to) , but the general information is absolutely correct. A couple small observations-you can go to a KTV alone, but I don't really recommend it unless you are a regular customer. I do go to one alone often, as where I go in China there are not many opportunities to take friends but I do so whenever possible. That said, KTV's are more fun with more people, but if you just want to relax, have a few drinks with a sexy girl, maybe even bring your own music, and then head off to your room (with the girl) to finish off the night, it's not a bad way to spend the evening. Yes, it's going to cost you a bit more because you are not splitting the room and drinks with others, but sometimes it is worth it.
Another question-I have gone to several KTV's, but have yet to find one where the girls will get naked or even partially naked. Do you have any pointers as to how to pick or find the one that you can enjoy this part? Anything to ask or other clues that might help?
Oh, BTW, I'm going to try to print out your report and keep it in my fum file!
Thanks Again!
Hi my friends,
I'll be next month in Shanghai ZTE Hotel. Please do you know if the hotel is girl friendly? Any advice about spa or KTV around this hotel?
Please PM me for any advice.
Thanks,
DanyZTE Hotel is four star standard hotel, didn't know it's girl-friend or not.
Bodi Hotel Sauna is about 7. 5km to your hotel.
Fritobugger
04-11-13, 06:27
Some of the best looking BBS girls in town are on Dujuan Lu and on Yinghua Lu.
There are also some places over on Jintai Lu which is close to the Yinshan Lu he mentioned. The girls on Jintai are nowhere near as hot as Dujuan or Yinghua.
This is the most comprehensive report on the various mongering possibilities in China I have seen. This should be required reading for all newbies to China!
I personally don't do much on the BBS or Sauna scene, but the information on the KTV's is spot on. I may disagree on some of the pricing (Shanghai must be higher than I am used to) , but the general information is absolutely correct. A couple small observations-you can go to a KTV alone, but I don't really recommend it unless you are a regular customer. I do go to one alone often, as where I go in China there are not many opportunities to take friends but I do so whenever possible. That said, KTV's are more fun with more people, but if you just want to relax, have a few drinks with a sexy girl, maybe even bring your own music, and then head off to your room (with the girl) to finish off the night, it's not a bad way to spend the evening. Yes, it's going to cost you a bit more because you are not splitting the room and drinks with others, but sometimes it is worth it.
Another question-I have gone to several KTV's, but have yet to find one where the girls will get naked or even partially naked. Do you have any pointers as to how to pick or find the one that you can enjoy this part? Anything to ask or other clues that might help?
Oh, BTW, I'm going to try to print out your report and keep it in my fum file!
Thanks Again!
Hey buddies,
Any direction on the KTV name and location which are good for take out. I tried to ask some KTV but they always deny saying girls are not for take out here.
This is the most comprehensive report on the various mongering possibilities in China I have seen. This should be required reading for all newbies to China!
I personally don't do much on the BBS or Sauna scene, but the information on the KTV's is spot on. I may disagree on some of the pricing (Shanghai must be higher than I am used to) , but the general information is absolutely correct. A couple small observations-you can go to a KTV alone, but I don't really recommend it unless you are a regular customer. I do go to one alone often, as where I go in China there are not many opportunities to take friends but I do so whenever possible. That said, KTV's are more fun with more people, but if you just want to relax, have a few drinks with a sexy girl, maybe even bring your own music, and then head off to your room (with the girl) to finish off the night, it's not a bad way to spend the evening. Yes, it's going to cost you a bit more because you are not splitting the room and drinks with others, but sometimes it is worth it.
Another question-I have gone to several KTV's, but have yet to find one where the girls will get naked or even partially naked. Do you have any pointers as to how to pick or find the one that you can enjoy this part? Anything to ask or other clues that might help?
Oh, BTW, I'm going to try to print out your report and keep it in my fum file!
Thanks Again!
Thanks for good information.
But where do you find the cougars? . Mind sharing? Too bad you don't have PM feature.
I usually receive an 'accept' 1 out of every 8 or 10 girls I send greetings to. Cute girls do get WeChat greeting bombs, so probably ignore most greetings. It helps to have a profile and background pic on there and some 'moments' posts so you seem like a regular Joe (not that you aren't). From there you can chat and see where it leads depending on how charming you are. I've hooked up with and boned one cougar so far and have gotten coffee dates with a couple cute girls (though no fun with them yet) – would probably have to work the wine & dine road, and they are probably hoping for a legit BF. I know other guys / my friends have had better luck hunting than me, probably as I'm a lazy fuck when it comes to pursuing regular girls in this city.
MightyWind2
04-11-13, 18:48
- mehappy – gl and have fun on your trip – yeah basically all of the major saunas (except a couple further out in pudong, or the ones in gubei (that's a whole nother playland out there) are between 10-20 minute cab ride from the bund, so you have plenty of options. just forum search. also, shanghaiguide's website has a good map on there of the general sauna locations – he's got a great resource there. make sure you grab a few of the free shanghai tourist maps when you get off the plane – usually there are free map kiosks at the baggage claim areas – they are actually excellent maps – once you get situated, just locate yourself on the map (or ask concierge to circle for you) – if you aren't embarrassed to ask, you can write down a list of addresses from the forum and ask the concierge guy to dot them on the map for you – get you started real quick.
- mrclen – thanks! there are a bunch of k's where the girls get topless or full nude at various times in the night.) just directly ask the mamasan / papasan of the place you go to if they have 'games' or if the girls take off their clothes for dancing. the 'games' are generally strip games or where the girl and her guy do some kind of performance for the room like the girl takes off her top and they have to act out 5 different sexual positions. they have a bunch of game names written on pieces of paper and the guys pick out from the cup round robin. a guy is blindfolded, has to sit in the front of the room and all the girls take their tops off and he has to pick out his girls by feeling all their boobs and deciding – wrong choice drinks. washing machine game – guy takes off his shirt and all the girls take theirs off and they circle around him and grind around him in a circle with their boobs. stuff like that. sounds strange writing it, but they are fun and funny when everyone's drunk and having a good time. sorry i don't have a paid account here so can't pm you, but i could pass you a couple venue places somehow. there's many we haven't tried out yet all over town, the mamasans and girls do move around to different places after time and so they take their contact with them when they go somewhere new, so let me know if there is a particular area you are looking for.
- frito – yeah quality was good overall =) i'll have to take a peek again at the girls, haven't taken a look for a while – and see if they still don't budge on the quotes for me = (
- bab13 – strange, i haven't been to a ktv here yet where there were not at least some girls available for take-away. even if the mamasans don't explicitly say there are girls available, things can always be negotiated with the girl directly (some girls just won't do it so it depends on your luck of the pick if the shop doesn't openly encourage it by bringing you lineups of girls who for sure are take-aways if you ask). the most 'up-standing' ktv i've been taken to was a japanese ktv (chinese girls catering to japanese clientele) and some girls were still available if you negotiated directly. not sure how to help here.
- howdy – basically everywhere whenever your refresh your location on wechat. after you 'look around' and browse through a hundred or so profiles, you should have a good idea of which girls are available / on the prowl. the older girls / ladies who still try to post 'cute' pouty pics of themselves are probably divorced or 'leftover' women. throw out your greetings. the ones that accept are probably searching for something (probably not us mongers) or someone. but it's a dead giveaway that they are willing to accept random greetings. your 'accept' hit rate on a moderately attractive 30-40 year old woman who's profile screams that she is single / divorced (no pics of kids, no hubby pics, pics of her trying to look attractive) is going to be much much much higher than some hot 20 something chick who probably gets 20 wechat greetings an hour wherever she goes. sure even the older gals probably still want to find someone special, but if they're lonely and down to play, there you go – they know their profiles are public and they know random guys are viewing them all the time.
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how do you get the ampersand symbol to work in this forum. turns all mine to "at"?
- mehappy – gl and have fun on your trip – yeah basically all of the major saunas (except a couple further out in pudong, or the ones in gubei (that's a whole nother playland out there) are between 10-20 minute cab ride from the bund, so you have plenty of options. just forum search. also, shanghaiguide's website has a good map on there of the general sauna locations – he's got a great resource there. make sure you grab a few of the free shanghai tourist maps when you get off the plane – usually there are free map kiosks at the baggage claim areas – they are actually excellent maps – once you get situated, just locate yourself on the map (or ask concierge to circle for you) – if you aren't embarrassed to ask, you can write down a list of addresses from the forum and ask the concierge guy to dot them on the map for you – get you started real quick.
- mrclen – thanks! there are a bunch of k's where the girls get topless or full nude at various times in the night.) just directly ask the mamasan / papasan of the place you go to if they have 'games' or if the girls take off their clothes for dancing. the 'games' are generally strip games or where the girl and her guy do some kind of performance for the room like the girl takes off her top and they have to act out 5 different sexual positions. they have a bunch of game names written on pieces of paper and the guys pick out from the cup round robin. a guy is blindfolded, has to sit in the front of the room and all the girls take their tops off and he has to pick out his girls by feeling all their boobs and deciding – wrong choice drinks. washing machine game – guy takes off his shirt and all the girls take theirs off and they circle around him and grind around him in a circle with their boobs. stuff like that. sounds strange writing it, but they are fun and funny when everyone's drunk and having a good time. sorry i don't have a paid account here so can't pm you, but i could pass you a couple venue places somehow. there's many we haven't tried out yet all over town, the mamasans and girls do move around to different places after time and so they take their contact with them when they go somewhere new, so let me know if there is a particular area you are looking for.
- frito – yeah quality was good overall =) i'll have to take a peek again at the girls, haven't taken a look for a while – and see if they still don't budge on the quotes for me = (
- bab13 – strange, i haven't been to a ktv here yet where there were not at least some girls available for take-away. even if the mamasans don't explicitly say there are girls available, things can always be negotiated with the girl directly (some girls just won't do it so it depends on your luck of the pick if the shop doesn't openly encourage it by bringing you lineups of girls who for sure are take-aways if you ask). the most 'up-standing' ktv i've been taken to was a japanese ktv (chinese girls catering to japanese clientele) and some girls were still available if you negotiated directly. not sure how to help here.
- howdy – basically everywhere whenever your refresh your location on wechat. after you 'look around' and browse through a hundred or so profiles, you should have a good idea of which girls are available / on the prowl. the older girls / ladies who still try to post 'cute' pouty pics of themselves are probably divorced or 'leftover' women. throw out your greetings. the ones that accept are probably searching for something (probably not us mongers) or someone. but it's a dead giveaway that they are willing to accept random greetings. your 'accept' hit rate on a moderately attractive 30-40 year old woman who's profile screams that she is single / divorced (no pics of kids, no hubby pics, pics of her trying to look attractive) is going to be much much much higher than some hot 20 something chick who probably gets 20 wechat greetings an hour wherever she goes. sure even the older gals probably still want to find someone special, but if they're lonely and down to play, there you go – they know their profiles are public and they know random guys are viewing them all the time.
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how do you get the ampersand symbol to work in this forum. turns all mine to "at"?thanks again for the information! much more comprehensive than usual on the forum. i never have spent any time in shanghai so really was looking for clues as to how to find out about the games they will play in any ktv and what goes and how to tell. i was in three (count them. 3) high end ktv's in cp and all that was played was the stupid dice games. the game itself was ok, but there was no point other than taking sip of a weak drink-boooring! yes, i took girls out from all three, so the evening wasn't a total waste. my guess is that the dj starts the games? in the ktv in the hotel i usually go to, there is no dj so mostly it's drinking, singing and dancing. although, as i am a regular customer and a friend of the hotel owner, i usually get the vip room that has frosted glass and the couch and sitting area is not visible from the door-i've always wondered-is this coincidence or on purpose, and does it indicate what can happen in the room? i will try asking the mamasan if the games can be played and to start them. my not speaking the language does not help, so i have to rely on one of my chinese friends starting the action. if i ever get to shanghai, i will find a way to get some advice from you as to where to go. since you don't have an account, i wonder if i can put another email address in here? thanks again!
Thank you and I am in SH now. And my first stop was to test Hong Song! .
Thanks to excellent directions posted previously it was easy to find the place.
Inside, it is a maze of corridors and rooms and tons of staff. Somewhat confusing but I just followed where they pointed.
First I was led to a kind of waiting room and was asked "drink", I replied coca cola. Then they said "sit". Not knowing what was about to happen I took my shoes off and sat down in a huge lounge chair, there were 5 or 6 of them in the room in front of a tv showing the news or something local that looked like the news. .
I am alone in this room and they've closed the door.
After about 5 minutes a guy comes in and says "come". I get up, put on my shoes and follow the guy. Suddenly I am in front of the fish tank.
Wow, amazing selection!
At least 50 girls standing in their underwear packed into a room with a glass divider. So strange, so abstract, so. Amazing. .
I start looking around, searching for a smile. One or two smiles I catch right away but they are not really my type. I ask for help from the staff,"which one speak english". They talk a little among each other and then say "number 33 english ok". I say ok.
She walks out and the girls in the tank sigh and sit down! I could hear some sigh really loud.
, I usually get the VIP room that has frosted glass and the couch and sitting area is not visible from the door-I've always wondered-is this coincidence or on purpose, and does it indicate what can happen in the room? I will try asking the mamasan if the games can be played and to start them. My not speaking the language does not help, so I have to rely on one of my Chinese friends starting the action.If you stay in the general common area of the KTV not much will happen. Bu tif you take a room (better with friends) and select some girls you might end up with quite some fun. Girls might get fully naked at some point (for a short while, not for the whole time) and they will play with you too.
In Kuala Lumpur me and a friend ended up in a side tiny room with a couple of coaches where we could have the girls fully servicing us. Then we came back in the private rooms where we left our friends.
In Vietnam nothing will happen in the private room (clear glass in the door and guys checking often what is going on)
I've split up the report in several smaller parts as I am writing on the iPhone and never know when I'm disconnected from the wifi.
Story continues. The guys at the fish bowl usher me to a corridor and then the girl comes and takes my hand. She seems pretty happy, a good sign.
I am still dressed in my normal clothes, so this is not like the sauna experience I've had before where one first changes attire. I have no idea where I'm being led but it's more corridors and doors. Finally we end up in a room. It's a nice looking room. It's got a smallish double bed, but I don't think it's meant for sleeping, and a similar sized wet room with a glass divider.
#33 points to a locker and says take off clothes, she locks the door and calls the command center reporting my number that is written on the plastic pouch I was given upon entry to the spa.
She gets undressed. A very cute girl, not a 10 in looks face or body but way more than good enough and I am very happy to have someone that knows a little English.
She points points and says "shower". Ok I reply. She showers me and then prepares the bed. She is asking me if temperature ok. She asks if I want the stool first but I say no as that is not my thing. Then she asks me to lie down. She then washes me thoroughly, soap and all. Then she focuses on my behind and once I feel her finger on the way in I say no, not my thing.
Then comes the slide. It's nice but somewhat mechanical. Then turn around.
Time for frontal full body wash, she washes and washes and washes. The smaller head gets a major wash too. Then it's slide time again. Again more mechanical than genuine feeling, but don't get me wrong it's very nice. .
Then stand up, more wash, more shower, gives me towel and starts to wash herself. I dry myself watching her. I think to myself that someone should tell her that much soap in the ladies area is not good. .
She then points me to the bed. I lie face down and now starts the cat bath, the hot and cold and a variety of more funny than sexy things. It's all very mechanical. I turn around and now it is a little more sexy. After some more frontal cat bath she is about to do a BBBJ when I say "do you have a condom?"
She looks up at me, takes my hand, shakes it and says thank you!
And all of a sudden she changed, relaxed.
She put on the condom with her mouth with amazing skill, it was beautiful to watch. She propped up my (big) head a bit with a pillow so I'd be comfortable and get a perfect view of what she was doing. Wow, she had some skills. .
I then want to, perhaps not DATY but at least get near and feel and she tightens up. She says finger ok but no mouth. Ok I say.
Then a variety of positions and after a while both we both lie down sweating. Now she is far from mechanical, it's practically a GFE experience she is doing. She takes out her phone and we talk about tons of things. Her name (s) , hometown, spa number, how long she's worked, where I am from, etc etc. All the time cuddling. She uses google translate and she really makes an effort. I ask her is she is on WeChat and she looks at me and asks if I know what it is. I say of course I know. (I've read the f forum, thank you). We connect.
I asked about the no DATY and she replies she is very careful and that she was sick in the winter and could not work. She points to her parts and says no good no job. But you do BBBJ, I ask, what about sick from that? She says yes, that she has to but she does not like it. Kind of interesting conversation development.
After a while the phone rings, it's time to shower again. She washes me up and down. I don't think I've ever been so scrubbed.
Then it's clothing time. She tells me I can get food and drink for free if I stay. Once we are dressed she picks up the phone and calls that we are done. She takes my hand, leads me down another corridor and shows me out. Once out from behind a door I am directed down a corridor (this place has so many corridors) and the guy says "go home". I say no, I want food and drink. He looks at me for a second or two and says ok and points in the other direction.
After yet another corridor I find myself in a lounge room with huge lounge chairs and a tv. There are perhaps 12 chairs in the room and I am showed to one. 8 of the chairs are occupied with Chinese men of which 3 have girls in their laps, cleaning ears, massaging etc. I sit down and ask for a coca cola, they say something more, I try to ask for food but it's obvious that noone here wanted to speak english.
I ask for ear clean by using a combination of sign and spoken language, it looks kind of interesting and I've never tried it before, well at least not in this way.
After a minute a girl, slightly older but in no way unattractive, dressed in a tight dress comes to me. She lies down next to me and start the cleaning. It's sweet. Once she is done she asks if I want shoulder massage. I say yes. Wow, she speaks a bit of english. She says ear clean and shoulder massage is 198, only ear cleaning is 118.
She hitches up her dress and sits down on me in a very sexy way. Then she starts giving a really good backrub. All the time with a sexy touch, but really good.
Ear cleaning and shoulder massage probably took an hour. I tried to ask what else was on the menu, there is a manu card there, but she could not translate. I tried asking a waiter but no help. I decided it was time to leave.
Back at the cashiers I paid my 980+198, went downstairs and took a taxi back to the Bund. Taxi cost 50 there. 45 back.
My rating of Hong Song, value: excellent. Premises are nice and I feel satisfied with the service.
Girl: #33, 22 yrs old, Petrel (western name, I have her Chinese too, I even have her birthday and phone number and WeChat.) , from Hainan. Looks (by Chinese standard, ie not comparable to western) , face 8, body 8, attitude 5 before CBJ. 9 after, would repeat: yes.
Next subject: WeChat.
Wow, what an amazing thing!
I followed instructions read here and sent out greetings to 20 or so girls near me and I got replies and connections from more than half! I've added a picture of myself and my hotel room and some short text.
After a days chatting I probably have 2 or 3 that are showing a more serious interest and seem willing to meet irl. It takes quite a bit of effort with WeChat but I have a lot of fun in the process.
Oh, I also got like 10 WeChat proposals from girls wearing next to nothing. They contacted me and seem to be escort services.
Now the only thing left to explore here is Tongren Lu, may check it out tomorrow night.
If you stay in the general common area of the KTV not much will happen. Bu tif you take a room (better with friends) and select some girls you might end up with quite some fun. Girls might get fully naked at some point (for a short while, not for the whole time) and they will play with you too.
In Kuala Lumpur me and a friend ended up in a side tiny room with a couple of coaches where we could have the girls fully servicing us. Then we came back in the private rooms where we left our friends.
In Vietnam nothing will happen in the private room (clear glass in the door and guys checking often what is going on) This should probably be in the general China forum, but since it started here I'll go ahead. Where I go in China, smaller city, you always get a room (private) and I don't think there are any smaller side rooms, at least not in the general KTV area or that I am aware of. The hotel or KTV usually has a room in the hotel where you can go ST, but since I always go LT I haven't been to it. Next time I go I am going to ask the mamasan to show me the ST room. In this, as in all mongering situations, the more information you have the better off you will be and the more fun you can have. That's why, after going to China several times per year for the last few years, I now look forward to the trips and some good fun. This forum has been a huge help in that regard and I've now experienced a few things I would had never considered (nothing crazy or real kinky). A joke on me-when I went to China the first couple times I wondered why there were so many TV studios around! K-TV! I had no idea what they were, and after I found out, I can't stay away.
A question for the general forum: On my last trip I had a problem with one of the KTV girls (told about in one of my other posts). Now, the mamasan in the hotel has always treated me fairly and well (my being good friends with the hotel owner probably helps in this regard). However, this was my last night and I left a bit upset and mamasan may have been also. I want to smooth things over and continue to get the good treatment I have always had, discounts, free drinks, great service, etc. To that end I have purchased a small gift for the mamasan to give to her on my next visit as a small apology if I caused her any trouble on my last visit. Thoughts on doing this? Will it help or hinder, make me look weak or stupid, etc? Anybody have in experience in doing something like this?
A question for the general forum: On my last trip I had a problem with one of the KTV girls (told about in one of my other posts). Now, the mamasan in the hotel has always treated me fairly and well (my being good friends with the hotel owner probably helps in this regard). However, this was my last night and I left a bit upset and mamasan may have been also. I want to smooth things over and continue to get the good treatment I have always had, discounts, free drinks, great service, etc. To that end I have purchased a small gift for the mamasan to give to her on my next visit as a small apology if I caused her any trouble on my last visit. Thoughts on doing this? Will it help or hinder, make me look weak or stupid, etc? Anybody have in experience in doing something like this?Are you referring to the Weihai story?
Well, you were right, and you do not have to apologize or else. On the other side. If you will be a regular guest also in the future, then why not?"Small gifts preserve friendship", also in China.
Lev
Do you when Fino massage opens? I'd like to get in a session during my short layover in Shanghai, but I would only be in the city between 11am and 2pm.
Following the post of BushWack few weeks ago, I decided to visit Fino Massage last night (it is on Dagu road).
Unfortunately, my experience was not as good as the one he described.
I arrived around 11. 45pm. And stared at the menu for quite a long time. As the next move would have been for the lady to show me a 2nd menu. Well that never happened.
I also asked if it was all they had, and she said yes; and asked what I was looking for.
She advised me the oil massage with HE which was very "naughty naughty". Well I guess this is exactly what I was looking for.
Went to the room, the place is not the cleanest in the world, there is a strange smell, probably coming from the wet carpet around the small shower in the room.
First bad surprise: they came to ask me to put a disposable short.
Then came the masseuse, she was OK, a 7 or a 8, and did not speak a single word of English, but that's OK, was not here to talk anyway.
Then starts with the massage. To be very clear, the massage was one of the best I have ever had. It really was the right balance between arousing and pressured; on that one, I have nothing to complain about.
Now, based on the BushWack experience, I was expecting the masseuse to drop her clothes any time. Well, that part never happened. I must admit it makes the all experience funny as you are face down with now view on what is happening, so each time she goes away from you (in fact to take some more oil) , you are hoping she will come back naked. And then, a quick hand touch to realize she still has her pants.
To cut things shorts, it ended up with a HJ, which was OK as she made it last pretty long, but that's it, no touching, nothing was allowed or even possible as she sat opposite to me.
At the exit, they tried to sell me the membership card, which I simply refuse.
All in all:
- Girl:7. 5.
- Massage: 9.
- HJ: 8.
- BJ: 0. Not available.
- GFE: 0. Not available.
- Touching in any kind: 0. Not available
Shanghai Guide
04-13-13, 22:14
It is said from time to time, but never can be repeated enough: Most girlsbars in Shanghai are doing a cheating business. One of our guides just checked out the old Shanghai Girlsbars in Hua Shan Lu this night. He had some rounds of beers with the girls, some drinks and so on, all together should be exactly RMB 2150. But because he has shown himself as a "very drunken guy", even he was not, they promptly try to do the famous "girls bar scam" with him. Just bring the invoice with 3880 RMB and hopped, he will pay. He did not, because he was very clear what he ordered and when they found out, he will not pay, they agreed to accept the 2150 RMB. But our guide try to keep the "faked" invoices as a evidence and it was very funny to see how much effort they spend to avoid giving out a evidence to their way of business. Best argument was the girl who repeat: "This is the way how girlsbar business works, you should have known it before"! And what we liked most, was the statement of the girl who act like the manager (her name was Alice) who told our guide, she will not care what he will comment in the internet in any page, because there will be still enough stupid guys who will come to her bar to spend a lot of money there. So I hope a lot of you guys will read it and show to this girls, that we are not so stupid! There are several other bars around, so we should try to find the one there who will try to make a honest business with us. I would be happy, if anyone can recommend a girlsbar without a scamming strategy there.
It is said from time to time, but never can be repeated enough: Most girlsbars in Shanghai are doing a cheating business. One of our guides just checked out the old Shanghai Girlsbars in Hua Shan Lu this night. He had some rounds of beers with the girls, some drinks and so on, all together should be exactly RMB 2150. But because he has shown himself as a "very drunken guy", even he was not, they promptly try to do the famous "girls bar scam" with him. Just bring the invoice with 3880 RMB and hopped, he will pay. He did not, because he was very clear what he ordered and when they found out, he will not pay, they agreed to accept the 2150 RMB. But our guide try to keep the "faked" invoices as a evidence and it was very funny to see how much effort they spend to avoid giving out a evidence to their way of business. Best argument was the girl who repeat: "This is the way how girlsbar business works, you should have known it before"! And what we liked most, was the statement of the girl who act like the manager (her name was Alice) who told our guide, she will not care what he will comment in the internet in any page, because there will be still enough stupid guys who will come to her bar to spend a lot of money there. So I hope a lot of you guys will read it and show to this girls, that we are not so stupid! There are several other bars around, so we should try to find the one there who will try to make a honest business with us. I would be happy, if anyone can recommend a girlsbar without a scamming strategy there.I thought the girl bars were all scamming strategy. You pay too much for drinks, the girl makes you pay much and little brother leaves with no action!
ShanghaiNemo
04-14-13, 06:29
Maybe I was lucky in my life. Maybe my strange life around world made me smart.
But sometimes I hear brothers here that had really bad experience around.
When there was tong ren lu a germany guy had a bill around 20000 rmb.
Since 8 years in this kind a bar I payed no more than 1000, plus 200 or 300 tips for a BJ.
Surely I m helped for my knowledge of local dialect or my way of action.
I never went with people that purpose me massage or bar walking on the road. In my country there is a long story about particular night.
So dudes:
1- follow this blog.
2- stay tuned.
3- don t let only out little brother think for us.
4- be smart.
5- be safety
6- enjoy the life
ShanghaiNemo
04-14-13, 06:59
Hong giao news.
Eheheh first time I take 2 new girls. One around 28yrs one 24yrs together for a happy ending massage.
I went crazy because they start kissing theirs nipples.
Wow.
Info pm me.
Total : 300 tips each girl and 300 for the boss.
I forgot.
One have a the cup
ShanghaiNemo
04-14-13, 07:09
The see / the cup
Hong giao news.
Eheheh first time I take 2 new girls. One around 28yrs one 24yrs together for a happy ending massage.
I went crazy because they start kissing theirs nipples.
Wow.
Info pm me.
Total : 300 tips each girl and 300 for the boss.
I forgot.
One have a the cup900 for a HJ!
Are you creazy, dude?
AF
I thought the girl bars were all scamming strategy. You pay too much for drinks, the girl makes you pay much and little brother leaves with no action!Not all. Some will charge you only for exactly what you ordered BUT the girls will try their best to convince you to order a lot of drinks, which is still annoying.
Shanghai Guide
04-14-13, 09:59
Not all. Some will charge you only for exactly what you ordered BUT the girls will try their best to convince you to order a lot of drinks, which is still annoying.As long as you only have to pay what you got, it is up to everyone, if he can stand the pushing of the girls. Or he can not. And if he is willing to order a lot of drinks or not! I met guys spend a lot of money in girls bars and also had a lot of fun there. So I think if so, it can be ok for both side. I know there are some guys who look for more than only the "service" you can get in a sauna. But from my view, the girls bar business can be expensive (it is up to everyone if he want to go there or not) , but still should follow the rules of a fair business. For that it should be clear what you have to pay for a drink before you order and you should be charged only what you ordered and what you get! If so, it still can be expensive, but it`s a deal. If they start to charge drinks you did not ordered or got (what happend to our guide in Old Shanghai last night) , than it starts be be a fraud, and this is what I think no one should support!
ShanghaiNemo
04-14-13, 11:20
900 for a HJ!
Are you creazy, dude?
AF1and half hour massage. 2 girls play themselves. Double 69. Double BJ uncover. Cim and shower together. And they purpose me the full service same price but I m crazy when I do this i love this kind`a game......
The see / the cupI would love to get my hands on something like this, you could get lost exploring.
1and half hour massage. 2 girls play themselves. Double 69. Double BJ uncover. Cim and shower together. And they purpose me the full service same price but I m crazy when I do this i love this kind`a game.OK, that sounds totally different man, hehe.
In this situation I have say that, it was a nice deal, LOL.
AF
Must be quite green since one morning at 5am, I saw a girl in a short mini skirt and high heels crossing the lobby from the elevators and heading out, she picked up a taxi from the street. Definitely and undoubtedly a WG, finishing her "night shift". No one in the lobby (staff only) had a question.
900 for a HJ!
Are you creazy, dude?
AFWhy does he need 2 girls for a hand job? LOL. 4 nipples perhaps?
What does it mean ear cleaning thing? Does it any fun?
1. fangcao lu (beicai district, south of century park) : better avoid this. only 1-2 shops have ok girls but asking price recently is 500 rmb atleast for foreigners. other 5-6 shops asking 200 rmb but girls quality is bad. better avoid.
2. yinshan lu (jingqiao) : very old and ugly girls here recently. asking price 200-300 rmb.
4. yinghua lu (century park) : although price quoted here was atleast 300 rmb. i think this place is cleaner and better looking girls.
i guess pudong is not a place for good bbs but puxi has better bbs action.
any list for top 5 bbs of puxi?
hi fellas,
pudong bbs streets (some of this info is already around the forums, but i still included for consolidation) :
1. fangcao lu (beicai district, south of century park)
location: directly south of century park and south of longyang lu.
directions: it's about a 2 minute walk from the fanghua lu metro station on line 7. exit the station, walk south for half a block and turn east onto fangcao lu.
the bbss on fangcao lu are all located between hunan lu & baiyang lu. there are currently 12 bbss spread out on this street (more concentrated towards hunan lu). this is my favorite bbs street due to the variety of shops and girls. the quality of girls is not bad and you can find many girls that are 18 to 25. i have a few regulars here that give really good service. prices here are 150 for fs. 200 with uncovered bj. time is typically 30 minutes though i rarely go that long.
2. yinshan lu (jingqiao)
location: one block north of yangao zhong lu, between yunshan lu and zaozhuang lu in jinqiao district.
directions: there's not a metro station super close, but the yunshan lu metro station on line 6 is about a 10 minute walk. exit the station and walk south on yunshan lu, turn east onto yinshan lu. the bbss are located halfway between yunshan lu and zaozhuang lu.
there are about 5 bbss on this street. there used to be more but a couple closed down. there are 3-4 concentrated on the north side of the street next to the big hotel (only one) on that street. they are nestled behind the small small park / grove. there are one or two on the other side. this used to be my favorite street until the couple regulars i had moved away. the girls here have gotten a bit older, but there are always fresh girls turning up, so i still visit now and then. prices here are 150 for fs. 200 with uncovered bj.
3. eshan lu (west of century park)
location: eshan lu between pudong lu and nanquan lu. it's the tangqiao district relatively near the nanpu bridge and directly east of century park about 5 blocks.
directions: it's near the lancun lu metro station on line 4. exit the station and walk north along dongfang lu one block and turn west onto eshan lu.
this street has changed a bit, so some of my info may be off since i haven't hit one of these ones for quite a while. the one place i used to go to is now a noodle shop. many of the bbss look to be rebranded as foot massage places. there are about 3 that still look more obviously to be bbss, but there is a high concentration of shops with skimpy clad bbs-looking girls, but with the shop advertising foot massages. i suspect these are just guerilla bbss but i haven't tried one to confirm. i suspect all it would take to find out would be to walk into one and ask if they 'qiao bei' or not. i guess i should just take one for the team and pop in. one funny thing i like about this street is that there are a couple mahjong dens filled with old people in plain site.
4. yinghua lu (century park)
location: yinghua lu between baiyang lu and haitong lu a couple blocks directly south of century park.
directions: it's near the century park metro station on line 2. take exit 2 from the station and walk south on haitong lu for a block, turn east onto yinghua lu. the four bbs will be on the north side of the street nearer to baiyang lu.
i don't frequent this street too often as they do price fixing on this street as far as i can tell. the prices were 200 rmb for fs and an additional 100 rmb for bj, so 300 rmb for bj + fs, or 200 rmb for fs alone. in the past i've tried charm and negotiation, but found no girls that are willing to budge on the price. this may have changed in the last year or so, but i haven't been back to haggle more. the reason for the prices is that this street is sandwiched between two international business hotels and is within walking distance of the shanghai international expo center (not world expo site). so, they get a lot of foreign visitor traffic. overall the service on the street was not bad when i tried. the places are on the cleaner end of the spectrum and the girls were not too bad – there were very cute and skinny girls there a while back. this is not a bad street to break into / try out the bbs scene if you are a little bit wary or squeamish of trying out a bbs. and i suppose the 100 rmb premium is not so bad if you are traveling in and want something quick and convenient. just for some of us based here, we can get a little bit cheaper travelling 5-10 extra minutes to a more local area.
5. others.
my friend have told me about a bbs street near qixia lu, near pudong ave – this would be near the dalian lu tunnel, but i have not ventured up to take a look, so if anyone has info, would love to hear it.
there are also many places with one or two bbss rep001tered here and there, so get out there and explore.
saunas
so i kinda stopped going to shanghai saunas about two years ago since my work brings me to macau every couple of months. the macau saunas and level or services truthfully ruined the shanghai sauna experience for me. i basically save my money for the macau saunas since they are quite a bit more expensive (but worth it). now if i monger i mostly hit bbss or call up the network of ktv girls or he massage girls that i've built up and have them come over to my place. i used to go to the three most popular saunas in pudong: bodi, merrylin and sacrosa. do a search on those if you are looking for a pudong sauna, i did enjoy them very much when i went. i do want to try the merrylin since i have not been since the renovation. if i go, i'll post up a report.
for newcomers, i'll give a general sauna rundown instead of reviews since my info is outdated and there are many great sauna reviews on here.
if you want to try a sauna, they all run on the same general system. once you make your way into a sauna, you are shown in from the reception desk into a community locker area. i'm not sure if some of the higher end saunas have private locker areas, but none that i've seen so far. you are given a locker and wristband key and there you strip down until you are butt naked and your clothes and other items are stored in the locker, and you get a pair of slippers. there will probably an attendant or two standing nearby and waiting for you / watching you undress, it's never pleasant but get over it. you are also provided a ziplock-ish type plastic bag to put belongings you want to take inside with you, generally mobile phone, cigarettes, lighter, & glasses. you are then taken to the shower area where there are semi-private shower stalls. your ziplock bag of belongings will be taken by an attendant to be returned after you shower. there you shower (wash your ass crack out well). you can also request a disposable toothbrush / shaver if you are not offered one. if you need to go to the bathroom, before the shower is probably the best time to do so. after your shower, you are directed to the drying area where you will be given a towel to dry yourself and there will be attendants to help you dry your back if you require so. you are then given the sauna's customer spa-wear set: cotton shorts and cotton robe-type top with tie strings, and a dry set of slippers. you are then lead to a private or community waiting room (if all private ones are full) where you will be asked to wait for them to prepare the lineup or to prepare your girl if you booked ahead. you are offered a drink (tea, soda, water) but you can also order beers or other menu items if you like. the rooms generally have a reclining seat, ottoman, towel blankets, end table and tv. i've waited up to 45 mins in the waiting room before on busy days, and i've heard of longer periods, so it generally pays to go during slower hours or to book your girl ahead of time once you've found one you like or have been recommended by a friend. i've heard of longer waiting periods, which would suck. once you are ready or they are ready for you, the attendant comes in and fetches you. you are then brought to the lineup which is different for each place – some have a 'fishbowl' room of girls behind a window (regular glass, not one-way) , or a large room with a small stage where the girls line up. if it's super busy, sometimes they may bring a selection of one or a few girls directly to your room to pick. pass and wait if it does not suit your taste. once you pick your girl, she leads you to your private room. if it's a soapy massage place, it will be a bedroom attached to a large open shower type room with its own massage table for the soapy / wet massage. if it's a non-soapy place, it's just a room with a queen bed and nightstand.
if you go with the flow, the girl will take you through the standard operating procedure. for soapy, the first half is you are seated on a split stool and your girl will wash you down. then it's onto the soapy massage table, where she will lather you up and give you a soapy slippety slide massage (covered ad nauseum in this forum so i won't go into too much detail). after this you are dried off and led to the bed area where the script converges with non-soapy places.
once on the bed, the girls will go through the general script (also covered ad nauseum on this site, so i'll be brief). cat lick massage, booby massage, deep anal rimming, fire and ice bbbj (cim if you want) , and then boning time. you are free to go off script at any point. generally the girl needs to please you, otherwise she fears that the customer will report or complain that their reasonable requests were not fulfilled, and she will be fined or have her pay deducted.
a note on timing: i used to try to go earlier in the day. after or around lunch time. some saunas will have an early-bird discount (before 5 or 6pm?) , little to no wait time (though there are fewer girls than peak period) and the girls are fresher since they are at the start of their shift. just my two cents.
shanghai ktvs
while not to everyone's taste, my friends and i love ktv and we still swing many girls out of ktvs (both freebies and paid) – i'the say the company you go with dictates how much fun a ktv will be. ktv is basically a hostess services in a private karaoke room that can cater from two people up to large party 'vip' rooms. you are given a private karaoke room furnished with wraparound sofa around a large lcd karaoke screen, and then you order alcohol to drink with your friends and the girls you pick. some, but not all, of the girls are available for paid short or long-time take homes. i'the venture to say that most of the girls are down to hang out and go home with a guy if they like him. i have met almost no prudish ktv girls, or least where it wasn't a thin act at hard to get. it is still a business and they want repeat customers and know they need to provide services sometimes to keep customers, or if they just want to have a good time for themselves. many of the girls do not consider themselves full-on working girls, so many are willing to go home as freebies if they like you and you treat them nicely. over the years, i've developed a nice list of ktv girls who i can call up to go party with (usually fuck them for free at the end of the night, but the guys pay for the tabs if we go to bars or clubs) , can call for paid st / lt (some want money, some want small gifts so they do feel as much like hos) , and some even booty call me or my friends if they are lonely, bored, horny, drunk, or all of the above. it does take time to develop some of these relationships, but if you are here over the long haul, it's a good option to consider. a note about ktv girls as girlfriends: generally it's a lot of trouble and not worth it to date a ktv girl. the one's i've dated even over short term have been pretty unstable and also really clingy (again, could just be my selection of girls). just not worth the trouble for the sex, even if she likes it up the ass or is a freak. i prefer to keep them at arms distance and keep it a bit more professional: money or small gifts, no strings attached clearly communicated – we are friends with benefits. no message bombs, calls at work during the day, or drunk calls or banging on door at 3-4am.
also, written in the forum before, the main draw of ktv is the social aspect of it. especially if you have clients, customers, guests or friends who you may not want to reveal your mongering ways to (or vice versa). it's a much less hardcore atmosphere. no one is ever pressured to bring a girl home. that said, i still prefer going with a group of friends rather than for business, so we can really cut loose. mongers may ask where the value is in ktvs. it's more about the social experience than just straight to sex. for my friend and i, it's a place with alcohol, girls, fun, games and no pressure, where we can hang out, get sloshed, and take a girl home if we want or try to at least if its not pre-arranged. for guaranteed take-home girls, you have to ask the mamasan to specifically bring in lineups of take-home girls. bringing a girl home from ktv can also be subtly and secretly arranged with the girl without letting anyone else know either if required – you could agree to meet down the street or after your customer or friends have left.
in short, i've found ktv to be a great avenue to meet good looking young local girls who may or may not be paid-take-home girls (as in some will go for freebies). overall, out of girls that you will meet in bbs, sauna, happy ending massage / spas, ktv girls will tend to be the most attractive and most numerous of the lot, sometimes with from 300-500 girls working on busy nights at the larger places, most aged 18-25. almost all of the ktvs we like are in puxi.
other extras, while mostly unavailable during the world expo period, many ktvs have brought back topless / full nude (the ktv girls strip) dances and games, and topless / nude round-robin lap-dances at the end of the night. these activities have come back and are a big sell point for the ktvs that compete for our business. some ktvs have portable pole-dancing poles they can set up if you want a show. obviously the girls are not nude the whole time, just when the mamasan announces a topless / nude dance for a song. once the drinking has started, there is usually generous groping going on around the room with or without the girls' clothes.
the general procedure is about the same at most ktvs. you and your friends arrive and a hostess will show you to your room. we generally book ahead since we have some usual spots we like and know the girls & mamasans well, tried and true places, but you can also show up cold. if you show up for the first time somewhere without booking ahead, just take some time to talk to the mamasan / manager to clear up the costs on everything. sometimes if we are trying out a new place for the first time, we will give them a flat price we want everything to be (excluding girl tips) so that we can try the place out and come back if we like it. we haven't had any bad experiences being conned, but most of our group speaks chinese well to fluently and we explain the prices we expect and the competing places that we go to. when we have had arguments, it's usually on account of them putting charges on the bill that we already said we didn't want to see on there, such as mixers & juices. nothing huge, but more about principle, if they expect to ever see our faces or our money again.
after you arrive in your room (size based on how many people in your party) you are generally asked if you would like to start seeing girls or what you would like to order to drink. we usually order alcohol and then ask them to start bringing the lineups of girls in. you can chill for a little bit too if you want to talk to your friends or customers, and they will bring in the ubiquitous fruit plate.
the lineups of girls starts to come in and there are generally about 15-20 or more girls per lineup in the places we go to. most ktvs feature a large u-shaped sofa arrangement around a center table (s) and the girls will stand in front of the sofa in a lineup for selection. they will generally go down the line introducing themselves by where they come from. 'sichuan', 'hunan', chongqing', etc, etc. if someone sees one they like, they point to her and she will come and sit next to the fellow. if no one sees anything they like you just say 'thank you' and the lineup exits to make room for the next lineups. they will generally keep bringing in fresh line ups provided they have enough girls. if someone is picky and can't find a girl after several lineups, they can sometimes (depending on the place) go to the holding pen where all the girls are waiting and hanging out and see if they see one they like. also, if in the beginning you have already picked a girl, but see one you would much rather have, it's ok to switch out girls. we usually try to do this within the first 20-30 minutes, otherwise we might give the girl a small 100-200 rmb tip to 'get lost' if its been about an hour. if you keep a girl for longer, you generally will need to full tip her to switch her out. most mamasans have a group of girls they generally like to work with or who they feel provide good services so they will bring their 'favorites' first, so sometimes it doesn't hurt to see if there are new faces in the crowd. the sweet spot for arriving is around 7:45-8:15. most groups arrive around that time and on a crowded night, the lookers tend to get picked very quickly. by going earlier you generally get to see the best lookers. unless its not busy, after 9:00-10:00 the selection becomes thinner, since many already have sat down with a customer. preferences are subjective so you might be able to see several you think are hot at that time though. around 11:00-11:30 some of the good looking ones who have been picked first may start rotating out if their customers leave early, and they can be rotated back into the lineups for parties that show up late, or for guys who came late and haven't found a girl yet and are just chilling and drinking.
the rest of the evening, after everyone is settled in and more or less has a girl (or two or three) is that you can have your girls sing songs, play dice games, play group drinking games and dance if you want (naked at some places). the evenings start out pretty chill, but as people start getting tipsy, the party usually picks up, unless you are with customers who are more reserved in which case you can keep things chill. the mamasan will pop in and out of the room (she has to rotate around her rooms) and toast everyone and play some games for a little bit before moving on. there is a dj girl who is kind of the bartender and cleaning girl for the room. she makes and servers drinks, can help select songs, do requests like get cigarettes or more drinks, etc. at some places there is a waiter who doesn't do very much except deliver the alcohol to the room and come by every hour or so with hot towels for wiping faces and hands. we hate having to tip this guy but it just goes with the territory. also, some ktv places have private bathrooms (attached to the room or nearby) while others have community bathrooms. in the community bathroom there is almost always a bathroom attendant who turns on the faucet for you and hands you a towel. he usually also has gum and candy on a tray if you want a piece. we usually tip this guy 20-50rmb for the night depending on the level of the place. one unsettling thing they often do too is that while the customer is at the urinal, they will come up behind you and start giving you a shoulder massage while your peeing. i used to say,"please, no thanks", but just gave up after awhile and put up with it now. it's part of the service. just don't freak and turn around and punch the guy.
that's pretty much how the night goes. we usually start around 8:00pm and it can go until 2:00am or later at some places. sometimes if the girls are cool, we may leave earlier and take the whole group to a club or bar to keep partying outside. it depends on the girls though, some love to party, some are more homebody.
can you go to ktv with just two people? yes you can, our friends and i have gone to ktv as a duo on several occasions and it can be just as fun, although typically we go in groups of 3 – 6 people. it depends on who your partner in crime is of course, and also the girls that you select and how wild by nature they are. we just try to get the girls to drink more early on to loosen things up.
there are also some japanese and korean style ktvs that also cater to single travelers. these sometimes have a community room where all the single guys can sit in private sofa stalls with their girl – this means the karaoke singing is public too. not my style, but if you are traveling solo, this can be an option. many of these offer the take-home option, although i don't have as much experience with these places.
that said, ktv is not for everyone, i've met guys who hate it or don't understand it, or would rather be in a bar / club / lounge chasing tail. to each his own.
don't stress about language. if you are relaxed and having fun, the girl will relax and have fun too and you can get some chemistry going. i've brought many customers and foreign friends who don't speak a word of chinese, who have swung freebies from their girls.
there are a few different tiers of ktvs, which are generally broken down by the class / appearance of the girls they employ. to keep it simple, i'll break it down into three general tiers, which are tied to price, and i won't talk about other ktvs which focus on japanese or korean clientele.
average price for a night out for 3-4 guys: (good news is, prices haven't changed much for the past few years as competition is fierce among ktvs)
alcohol: two bottles of (circle one: black label, chivas, ballantines, other comparable) whisky, with mixers (green tea in our case) 1800. 2000 rmb.
mamasan tip: 300-400 rmb.
server girl / dj: 300 rmb (she is there all night)
waiter: 100 rmb (he is in and out)
we'll say 2800 rmb divided 4 ways is 700 rmb per person.
then add your girl tip on top of that, it generally comes out to about 1000-1200 rmb per person.
here's a bit more on the different levels of ktvs. prices of alcohol and extras will go up or down according to the quality of girls in stock and their sit down tip price.
1. high class: these ktvs feature 'model' quality girls who are generally taller and slim. generally these girls will be dressed in ball gowns, or may wear their own dresses or fashionable clothes, which are generally more 'elegant' than the general chick-on-huai hai road population. i have only been to a couple of these places and don't have much desire nor occasion to go to these. these cater to high-end business people or high-rollers neither of which describes me. you could bring a vip customer here, if they expressed they were into ktv and you weren't sure if they liked to 'cut loose' or not. generally the atmosphere is more chill, and it looked like it would take a lot more effort to get the party a little rowdy, at least when i've gone. i would not go unless someone else is footing the bill.
girl tip price: 800-1000+
2. middle road: these ktv girls run the gamut from 5-9s in the looks and body department. these are by far the most numerous ktv establishments in the downtown / central areas. usually they have the largest selections of girls (up to hundreds) and you are bound to find something that you like unless you are very picky or go late after most of the best-lookers have been picked. we've had very rowdy parties in these places. my friends and i frequent these the most.
girl tip price: 400-600 for sit down.
3. 2 buck chuck: these ktvs are also numerous in the city and can be found both inside and outside the central areas. girls here are very hit and miss imo. sometimes you find a diamond in the rough but i've found the girls here to be either farm-fresh, older so as to not be eligible in the middle range ktvs, or perhaps lacking in the looks or manners department. still fun though.
girl tip price: 200-300 for sit down.
take home prices for ktv: if you wind up wanting to take a ktv girl home, you generally negotiate with her while still in the room. or if you want some privacy, have her go with you to the bathroom (they generally have to escort you to the bathroom and wait for you there) so you can ask her in the hallway. ktv offer short time or long time. they usually open quote at 1000-1500rmb (i usually burst out laughing if they open with 1500rmb) for short time, but this can be negotiated down to as low as 500rmb depending on if they are into you or not (most will wind up staying over-night since my bed is cush). for long time, i've heard opening quotes for 1500-2000rmb, again can be negotiated down depending on your charm, i've not paid more than 800rmb for lt with a ktv girl – just my personal limit for them take it or leave it. again, i'd say the trick and game would be to try to charm the ktv girl into going home with you for free 'as friends', however if you want a sure thing, then money always talks. always always ask before you leave the place – or else you might think she likes you and in the morning she asks you for money when you thought it was a freebie. one problem is with going to the usual places we like is that my friends and i will sometimes have a rep as the girls all talk, and it's harder to swing freebies from the girls unless they are brand spanking new.
anal
i've come to really enjoy anal, but it takes some work finding it as it's not as plentiful as in some other unnamed southeast asian countries. you also have to poke around (literally) for it and may sometimes need to throw some cash at it to get it. i'm only going to address local girls in this section. i'm sure the pinay, thai and viet girls here are more 'advanced' in this aspect, but i don't have first hand experience in shanghai, i don't do the freelancer circuit in bars like manhattans, but there are many users on the forum who can fill in here for those who are looking for more info on that.
in bbss, i've only found four girls who do anal so far. each one has always wanted extra money for it. the two ones i see regularly i tip them an extra 100rmb, so 300rmb total for bj, fs and anal. both refused on my first couple visits with them, but then relented, so again, i think it takes time to build relationships and for the girls to get comfortable with you to get to the good stuff here. i always tell myself that since i'm their regular i should just ask for it to be included it for normal 200rmb, but i always go soft-hearted when i am pounding them full-force and full-speed in the rear and don't ask them when it's time to pay.
i've found more ktv girls who are willing to do, or at least try anal, but only a couple who have been willing to do it on the first time together, so it does take some time and money to find out which ktv girls are more freaky. i've been with quite a few ktv one-nighters who let me go 'two in the pink, one in the stink' on the first time but wouldn't let me do the real deal. these girls would eventually go for it i'm sure, but again, you'the have to wine & dine them or take them out a couple times.
i believe most of the local fls working outside the clubs / bars (like at the bund) will be down for this since they are more used to servicing foreign clientele than perhaps some bbs or ktv girls. i also usually don't go the streetwalker-outside-of-bar thing, but my first anal experience in shanghai was one night i was pretty drunk and i walked up to one of the better looking ones standing outside and said 'hi, anal? '. she said yeah, and being drunk and excited i agreed to pay 800 rmb (i was drunk) for a single popper in the pooper. we took a cab to a ghetto ass 50 rmb short-time 'motel' and did the deed. then, being drunk, i agreed to drop her back off at the bar before going home. i'm a good guy like that when i'm drunk.
usually before i ask a bbs, sauna or ktv girl if she is willing to do anal bbs, sauna or ktv girl, i'll creep in on her backdoor with your thumb or finger and massage it and slowly try to finger her. if she doesn't jerk up or scream in surprise or if she seems like she likes it, i go ahead and ask.
multiple girls
still haven't found that porn-scene experience with two chinese girls in shanghai yet – have tried in bbss, saunas, and even double girl ktv take homes. i suspect i may need to try the non-chinese girls in shanghai for this. the chinese girls i've met won't typically engage in girl on girl action – maybe i'm looking in the wrong place or just selecting poorly. one girl will typically just massage or kiss your body while you are boning the other girl. then switch wrapper and switch girl. in sauna, you can request a bj while the other girl rims you, but that's about as kinky as i've seen with sauna girls = (. or they both lie there. generally though, if you want more than one girl let your girl pick the other girl for a threesome, that way they are more likely to have worked together before, or are friends and it will most likely make for a better experience. i've noticed the girls to be a little more reserved than when one-on-one too, probably having to do with face issues in front of their friend / coworker and wanting to seem conservative. sigh.
happy endings / massage parlors
happy ending (he) places are located most everywhere throughout the city. how to differentiate one from a regular massage place? there are some tell-tale signs to look for. typically the first tell-tale sign from far away is the store's signage. most will have the words massage and spa together in their title – 'spa' being the keyword. another dead-giveaway is that there will be (in addition to chinese) japanese and / or korean wording on the sign. if you can't tell the difference between japanese, korean, and chinese writing, just google it i guess. these are the 20-meters-away signs of a happy ending place. once you get nearer to the front door / window, the second tell-tale sign will be that the girls are typically dressed in black miniskirts, black pantyhose and black high heels. come to think of it, i think this has been the dress for 95-98% of the happy ending places i've been to. they might mix it up with a white short jacket, but generally if the girls are in tight miniskirts and showing off lots of leg in high heels, bingo you are good to go. the girls are the enticement so they will be deliberately showcasing the girls in the front window. bbs girls do not typically have a standard uniform, where much more revealing clothing and generally look more ho-ish for lack of a nicer word. basically if the girls look sexy and a bit like uniformed sexy office ladies – it is a he place.
store appearance and layout also differentiate a happy ending spa from a bbs. bbss will typically be a semi-dingy looking hole in the wall room that has a barber chair or two in front of a large mirrored wall. the focus is not cleanliness or presentation. happy-ending spas will actually look more like a legit massage place, except for the girls in their sexy outfits. the lobby / entrance will typically be clean and have a orderly reception counter. the girls will be off to one side on a 'nice' couch or sofa.
legit massage places (zero or super super discrete hanky-panky) generally won't have their masseuses dressed up and looking skanky or too sexy. uniforms might be loose fitting track suit type outfits to yoga wear-type clothing. generally you don't expect any hanky panky if you go to one of these places, or if the massage place has a very chinese-looking theme: old chinese style with lots of wood (like congen massage chain). i have been very tempted to, but haven't directly asked a legit massage place girl to give me a happy ending, although at some places there has been 'inadvertent' ball or shaft brushing, maybe as a tease. i think i've been afraid to ask because it's at the ones i typically go to for legit massages and would be embarrassed to show up again if i asked and was rejected.
typical massage starts with a legit body massage (quality depends on skill of girl). this will then evolve into an ass and light or heavy (depending on your pref) asshole massage and then flip over and onto the frank and beans. generally you will provide the girl a 100 rmb tip for a hj during a 60-90 minute massage session. if i double up the session i will tip 200, although i don't know if this is common practice or not. the massage itself will probably cost (depending on shop) between 180-350 rmb. you typically shower (in the room) before and after the oil hj massage. you can generally grope the girl, though she might want a tip for taking her top or panties off (depends on girl and your relationship with her). some girls are ok with fingering (pussy and / or ass) some girls are not – again depends on girl. if you go to a he place near lots of expats / foreign travelers (jinqiao and near the expo come to mind) , expect the girls to want 300+ tip for a he. i try to avoid these places as the girls have been spoiled.
lateiy, i've been able to bone several massage parlor girls in-store. this wasn't the case a couple years back for me. i'm not sure what has changed or if it's just been a change of luck or the economy. i used to be unable to get a massage parlor girl to fuck me in the shop, even if i offered them 1500rmb tip (more to see what their limit was, not really would have paid that) , even as one of their regular customer. one important thing i've found is timing. if i want to bone a he girl in-shop, i will typically show up really late, near closing time – this seems to be the golden hour. most of the shops will accommodate customers past closing time if they show up before. most of the shops will close at 2am, so i will show up at 1am. after 2am, most of the other customers and employees will be gone or asleep and the girl will relax some and not worry about being heard or caught. i've boned quite a few he girls and tip them just an extra one or two hundred over what they would normally get. 200-300rmb total tip (not including the massage price). some places, the girls are more savvy and will ask for 500-600+, but everything is negotiable. i obviously i don't pay that and never pick those girls again for a massage and tell them that and follow through to drive home the message not to price gouge. they are aware of bbss and saunas and the prices around town for sex. i've had the girls tell me that there is a substantial fine from the shop if they are caught having sex on premises and also it presents a danger from le to the shop, so this is understandable – i guess it depends on each particular shop how hard they enforce this.
out of shop is a different story. i have quite a few massage girls who are more than willing to come over to my place for a massage and fs overnight. generally i pay them what i would pay for the service and tip in store, generally around 500-600 rmb (some girls will ask for more, but that is my limit) for a massage and all night fs til morning. some extra money for cab. it is extra money for their day off or off hours. again, it generally takes a couple visits to build up a relationship and then they are pretty open to most stuff. have had some of the best gfe from these type girls. just have to watch the line where they start expecting more from you emotionally – best to keep it more business. a rotating pool of girls helps so you are not constantly seeing one or two girls. some of the girls will also pimp their friends from around town to you, so it's a nice system if you have time to develop it. if you run into a he massage girl that you dig, you can ask her if she's willing to do outcall to your place – most will be down for the right price.
lingerie / costumes
i'm a lingerie and stockings guy and like to dress up some of the bbs girl i go to or the ones i bring home. buy and bring your own. amy's bedroom:
http://www.smartshanghai.com/venue/5185/amys_bedroom
(no, i'm not affiliated) has the best selection i've found (though a little more pricey than other places) : lingerie, uniforms, toys, etc. you can also buy thigh high stockings at the shanghai sci-tech museum underground market and around town – just look for the socks and underwear vendors. if you are a high heels guy like me – you can get inexpensive trashy or nicer looking high heels at the qipu road (north of people square) fashion shopping marts – have had a few girls take me take them shopping up there 'yep, i'm still a sucker sometimes'. but it's cheap and i make them buy slutty bedroom clothes and high heels / fuck-me-boots to wear for me. high heels are like 50-80 rmb / pair, ho-boots a little more.
safety
i guess the two main areas of safety to worry about are related to either your wallet or your dick. to avoid being ripped off, obviously avoid scams if possible. if you are directly solicited for mongering, especially by a dude asking you if you 'want lady? ', or a girl directly approaching you in a crowded touristy area to talk, practice english, drink tea, that is a huge red flag. stay away or run away. 100% gaurantee you are going to get scammed or worse.
once you get to your mongering destination, the biggest weapon you have against being ripped off is knowledge of prices. this forum is filled with pricing info and guidelines. learn it and stick to it. if you haggle a questionable quote, you won't look like a cheapy, you will just demonstrate that you are knowledgeable or experienced. and don't carry huge amounts of cash on you if you can avoid it, i've never been pickpocketed or had money stolen while mongering, but its just a safety precaution from perhaps losing some money from your pocket while getting dressed in the darker rooms.
condoms: use them. i admittedly have barebacked quite a few bbs, ktv and he girls and a majority were internal completion / creampies – i'm not bragging here, but using myself to illustrate that safe sex isn't widely practiced around here, so be safe and smarter than i am. if i am doing it, then a hell of a ton of other guys are too (local and expat). thankfully, i've not caught any stds yet while in china (i get tested every 6-8 months in the states – for sanity) , but i know it's a crap shoot and that the working girls here are not any cleaner than any other country. i started out boning ktv girls bareback while drunk and stupid, i guess that's one danger of ktv is that you are sloshed when you go back with a girl, so judgement isn't sound. and it's a bad bad bad slippery slope. i still bareback with some ktv and he massage girls that come over to my place that i've known for a while. i've had a couple bbs girls that we started to bone bareback after a while of being their regular customer – a couple told me they only do it with me, but i'the be dumb to believe that crock. i've had other bbs girls ask me if i want to do them without a condom for an extra 100rmb tip – on the first time we meet. big red flag. when i asked them about that, they said they don't do that with just anybody, only people that appear clean or based on personal judgement. wow, scary. even in shanghai saunas, i've barebacked a couple girls, mostly after i visited them a few times. i tell this story to illustrate that many of the girls don't know about, don't know how, don't care about or don't worry about safety. and some think they can eyeball someone and tell if that person is clean or not. i doubt i was the only guy she has done this with. so, please be safe and assume all these girls don't know much (or even scarier – don't care) about safe sex and the consequences of stds.
hope some of this was helpful to some people.
stay safe, good luck and have fun out there. happy mongering!
mightywind
Finnish Fucker
04-15-13, 20:04
The see / the cupGreat pair of tits, one of the best I have seen in this forum for a long time. Feel free to post more :cool:
-Kepp
Gaist Asia
04-16-13, 01:10
What does it mean ear cleaning thing? Does it any fun?They will use a cotton stick to torture your ears. I personally hate it. It's more pain than actually useful.
What does it mean ear cleaning thing? Does it any fun?It could be fun but results may vary.
It is usually pretty relaxing unless there is something really wrong with the girl or your ear canal.
I assume you are asking about the earcleaning service in sauna lounges.
The earcleaning girl will clean your ears with a specialized earpicker and cotton swabs accompanied with a head massage, this is the first stage and basic stage of service.
It is usually completed in 15 minutes.
After the basic stage, you can choose to add more time and let the girl massage selected areas like shoulders, arms, or back.
Some may offer a bundle which costs around 500 RMB. This bundle includes the earpicking service, HJ (they call it prostate massage) , and massage of a body area of your choosing, this whole adventure would take about an hour to complete.
Not all girls offer this level of service. If they are willing to offer it to you, they will usually ask you upfront or suggest by using provocative gestures.
If the girl seems to strongly avoid all unnecessary body contact during the earcleaning stage, that is a strong sign that she isn't willing to offer other services.
Conversely, if the girl practically sits on you when she services your ears and massage your scalp, that usually means she expects to get more out of you, literally.
The see / the cupThese are nice.
Where is this again?
It could be fun but results may vary.
It is usually pretty relaxing unless there is something really wrong with the girl or your ear canal.
I assume you are asking about the earcleaning service in sauna lounges.
The earcleaning girl will clean your ears with a specialized earpicker and cotton swabs accompanied with a head massage, this is the first stage and basic stage of service.
It is usually completed in 15 minutes.
After the basic stage, you can choose to add more time and let the girl massage selected areas like shoulders, arms, or back.
Some may offer a bundle which costs around 500 RMB. This bundle includes the earpicking service, HJ (they call it prostate massage) , and massage of a body area of your choosing, this whole adventure would take about an hour to complete.
Not all girls offer this level of service. If they are willing to offer it to you, they will usually ask you upfront or suggest by using provocative gestures.
If the girl seems to strongly avoid all unnecessary body contact during the earcleaning stage, that is a strong sign that she isn't willing to offer other services.
Conversely, if the girl practically sits on you when she services your ears and massage your scalp, that usually means she expects to get more out of you, literally.Thank yoy very much for this detailed info. Guess it seems ear cleaning is nor what I was looking for, not so much intimacy.
Hi to all fellow Shanghai connaiseur.
I am a newbie on Shanghai and far eastern scene, mostly travelling throuhh European contrirs. And I will having a tfew nigjts stay in Shanghai. Searching somerhing relaxing with occasionaly mutual intimacy but also cheap on the other hand. Does this kind of things exist in Shanghai. Maybe a slow madsage plus occasinaly BBBJ CIM and maybe DFK. And is this possible to find this level of intimacy in barber shops or maybe on more expensive saunas. Heard they are all with mechanical services. Maybe I should search QQ girls or should I try wechat to find some GFE cheap something? Any thought or advise?
Hi to all fellow Shanghai connaiseur.
I am a newbie on Shanghai and far eastern scene, mostly travelling throuhh European contrirs. And I will having a tfew nigjts stay in Shanghai. Searching somerhing relaxing with occasionaly mutual intimacy but also cheap on the other hand. Does this kind of things exist in Shanghai. Maybe a slow madsage plus occasinaly BBBJ CIM and maybe DFK. And is this possible to find this level of intimacy in barber shops or maybe on more expensive saunas. Heard they are all with mechanical services. Maybe I should search QQ girls or should I try wechat to find some GFE cheap something? Any thought or advise?A sauna is the most suitable solution. By my reading here (have not expereienced that, but saunas only) barber shops are quite a quick business. 30' a the most. Chep but quick. Pipe cleaning.
Will stay in Hotel Forte, a little outskirt of the town. Any info about this hotel, whether it is girl friendly or not?
This hotel is in Yili Road and in Shanghai Nightlife Guide's sauna map I saw two saunas which are very close to my hotel. The firdt choice is callef Jun Hao and the second one is Hai Lao. Nuru massage and Red Rope thing intrigued my attention but I don't know if these are overpriced or not. Maybe normal service is more fun or should I try new oriental things, maybe I like who knows?
How can I get thosr two saunas? Does name cards and adress cards in both chienese and english available down here in forum on the previous pages?
Thanks in advance for helping me to find GFE if available in town.
A sauna is the most suitable solution. By my reading here (have not expereienced that, but saunas only) barber shops are quite a quick business. 30' a the most. Chep but quick. Pipe cleaning.Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.
Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.
Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?
Thanks
Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.
Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.
Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?
ThanksBodi. 999, Shangai Hotel, Baoan Hotel, Merryllin, depends wchi side of Shangai you are and a RTFF will also help you in determining whether suitable to your needs.
There are no rip-off's in the sauna. Sometime a girl might not be au pair with expectations, bu thtat is very seldom. DFK, yes and no, depends from the girls, but I have not seen that as an obstacle.
They are very attentive to hygiene and will give you a sip of listerine before. So that is a good sign.
The time is stricly a matter of price list, it is marked there. Two pops should be possible (not alwyas in Macau saunas for instance) , just eventually clarify with the manager.
Not full english speaking but they have better than the girls.
Often happens that if you are happy at the 45', and the time is 60', the girl will not let you go and wait for the 60', otehrwise she might get troubles from the management. That is another good sign. In some cases the phone rings and the girl passes it over to you, if you are happy justs say "all ok". If you are not happy. Oh well. Good luck in explaining why in Chinese!
The range in services varies a lot. Each sauna has a set time and the girl is pissed off if you leave early, unless she and the staff know you. The concern is that you are not happy with the service and the girls are docked. The services range from a hand job, cause your dick is too big, to a great great great fuck. Kissing. 2 pops if you click. All the girls will fuck you. Some well, some poorly. First fucks are seldom the best. If she fucks well the first time, the second. Third and so on will get better. And she may also have a bad day now and then. She can't choose her customers. They choose her. Treat her like a girlfriend. Bring her a little gift. It's worth it if you like great fucking. If you and her are up for it you can come twice, well I can now and then. If you like big tits and a large asses you will most likely not be very happy. I have never seen a shaved pussy in China. Does that mean there aren't any? Nope. I just haven't seen them. Treat her like a fucking ***** and I'm fairly sure she will reciprocate. The field is yours. Have a great fucking adventure.
Thank you Bionicman for this prompt reply.
Are there any saunas you can recommend to find possible GFE? And I saw some saunas refer for 50 to 90 minutes in the room. What shoukd be a standart time of session, maybe 90 minutes? Are the time of each session is controlled by management or by the girl or by yourself, four not being to ripped-off.
Are two pops allowed in a single session if I am quick enough and do some sauna girls DFK?
Thanks
Applecrate
04-16-13, 13:34
It might be useful to create categories in the Shanghai thread similar to Bangkok's threads.
This would likely improve one's ability to RTFF.
Or, to put it another way Organize The F*ing Forum (OTFF) to enhance the hit rate when you RTFF.
Something like this, again, similar to Thailand's with specific reference to the the Bangkok threads.
Shanghai Reports.
Shanghai Saunas: Bodi, Merrylin, Heting, and more.
Shanghai Rub & Tug: Massage Parlours.
Shanghai Pick Up Bars: Manhattans, Malones, and More.
Simple and straight forward, it will (at a minimum) fence off the big topics and guide readers (newbies in particular) in the right direction.
That having been said, Jackson, how do we go about doing this?
A community vote?
Flip a coin?
Your thoughts?
I can only second Applecrates great suggestion!
Jackson, can you hear us?
Gregory.
It might be useful to create categories in the Shanghai thread similar to Bangkok's threads.
This would likely improve one's ability to RTFF.
Or, to put it another way Organize The F*ing Forum (OTFF) to enhance the hit rate when you RTFF.
Something like this, again, similar to Thailand's with specific reference to the the Bangkok threads.
Shanghai Reports.
Shanghai Saunas: Bodi, Merrylin, Heting, and more.
Shanghai Rub & Tug: Massage Parlours.
Shanghai Pick Up Bars: Manhattans, Malones, and More.
Simple and straight forward, it will (at a minimum) fence off the big topics and guide readers (newbies in particular) in the right direction.
That having been said, Jackson, how do we go about doing this?
A community vote?
Flip a coin?
Your thoughts?
Since many WG's are using Wechat (along with everyone else in China) I think it could have a new use. As a screen. To test this, whoever is interested, open up your Look Around function in Wechat next time you are in Manhattans, which can be crazy, crowded and chaotic. I guess all the WG's in there will appear as being Within 20 meters. It could be an easy way to survey the place (in the dark) without even walking around. If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect. Anyone interested to try? Report back who you see that's good and how it went.
Beijing4987
04-16-13, 17:05
How about a thread for those that like to flame each other. The rest of us have to scroll past, trying to find something useful.
My two renminbi.
BJ.
Can only second Applecrates great suggestion!
Jackson, can you hear us?
Gregory.[/QUOTE]
If the photos are real. Haha.
Gregory.
Since many WG's are using Wechat (along with everyone else in China) I think it could have a new use. As a screen. To test this, whoever is interested, open up your Look Around function in Wechat next time you are in Manhattans, which can be crazy, crowded and chaotic. I guess all the WG's in there will appear as being Within 20 meters. It could be an easy way to survey the place (in the dark) without even walking around. If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect. Anyone interested to try? Report back who you see that's good and how it went.
Gaist Asia
04-17-13, 06:28
If the photos are real. Haha.
Gregory.In this country 99% is fake. All "independent" working girls use fake pictures for the web, so why should it be much different with Wechat.
Bad Boy Billy
04-17-13, 06:56
next time you are in Manhattans.If a WG looks good, just use Wechat to connect.Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate!
Do you when Fino massage opens? I'd like to get in a session during my short layover in Shanghai, but I would only be in the city between 11am and 2pm.Open Hours: 12:00am to 02:00am.
Great irony, I like a lot.
Manhattan is exactly the right place to get the in touch with the real thing. Only thing left is inability to brain pick.
I had 3 tests done only the first was a repeat, so may be due to my inability to read them in spite of my resolution to be more picky the next time. Haha.
But still, Manhattan is by far better than any of those internet sites with glorious pictures and promises. I will repeat in the hope of getting wiser, at least I learned to negotiate.
Gregory.
Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate!
Ok let me get this clear. I am in a bar full of hoares who are all breaking their necks to get me to phuck them and give them a fist full of Maos. So rather than bowl up to one I should check their pictures on some internet site. Well phuck me. That's the mistake I have been making last 20 years. I thought talking face to face. Fondling their bodies to check hardness. Assessing their potential performance through a thorough interview process. God how much time have I wasted. Thanks for the tip mate!Ah ah spot on! Do you finally get it?
Welcome to the virtual world! Connect with friends you donot know about. And they call this "social media". WTF!
Do not forget to fill in the "satisfaction form" before logging out.
Will stay in Hotel Forte, a little outskirt of the town. Any info about this hotel, whether it is girl friendly or not?
This hotel is in Yili Road and in Shanghai Nightlife Guide's sauna map I saw two saunas which are very close to my hotel. The firdt choice is callef Jun Hao and the second one is Hai Lao. Nuru massage and Red Rope thing intrigued my attention but I don't know if these are overpriced or not. Maybe normal service is more fun or should I try new oriental things, maybe I like who knows?
How can I get thosr two saunas? Does name cards and adress cards in both chienese and english available down here in forum on the previous pages?
Thanks in advance for helping me to find GFE if available in town.Forte hotel is a decent hotel, mainly caters to Japanese / Taiwanese clientele, don't expect much western feeling from the place.
I often stay there and never had a problem bringing a girl back.
The hotel is quite small for your info. Let's say when they opened a few years back it was much better but one cannot complain too much.
As for Saunas, you have at 5 minutes walking distance the former Zhongtian Sauna Club, now it has another name (Xinghe). It's very near the Sheraton Hotel, just around the corner. I always had good service, although it's a rather old Sauna and not so lush compared to Hong Song and the other popular ones. Price is like other Sauna around 880RMB if I'm not wrong.
Member #4689
04-17-13, 18:30
Happy ending (HE) places are located most everywhere throughout the city. How to differentiate one from a regular massage place? There are some tell-tale signs to look for. Typically the first tell-tale sign from far away is the store's signage. Most will have the words Massage and Spa together in their title – 'Spa' being the keyword. Another dead-giveaway is that there will be (in addition to Chinese) Japanese and / or Korean wording on the sign. If you can't tell the difference between Japanese, Korean, and Chinese writing, just Google it I guess. These are the 20-meters-away signs of a happy ending place. Once you get nearer to the front door / window, the second tell-tale sign will be that the girls are typically dressed in black miniskirts, black pantyhose and black high heels. Come to think of it, I think this has been the dress for 95-98% of the happy ending places I've been to. They might mix it up with a white short jacket, but generally if the girls are in tight miniskirts and showing off lots of leg in high heels, bingo you are good to go. The girls are the enticement so they will be deliberately showcasing the girls in the front window. BBS girls do not typically have a standard uniform, where much more revealing clothing and generally look more ho-ish for lack of a nicer word. Basically if the girls look sexy and a bit like uniformed sexy office ladies – it is a HE place.
Store appearance and layout also differentiate a happy ending spa from a BBS. BBSs will typically be a semi-dingy looking hole in the wall room that has a barber chair or two in front of a large mirrored wall. The focus is not cleanliness or presentation. Happy-ending spas will actually look more like a legit massage place, except for the girls in their sexy outfits. The lobby / entrance will typically be clean and have a orderly reception counter. The girls will be off to one side on a 'nice' couch or sofa.
Legit massage places (zero or super super discrete hanky-panky) generally won't have their masseuses dressed up and looking skanky or too sexy. Uniforms might be loose fitting track suit type outfits to yoga wear-type clothing. Generally you don't expect any hanky panky if you go to one of these places, or if the massage place has a very Chinese-looking theme: old Chinese style with lots of wood (like Congen Massage chain). I have been very tempted to, but haven't directly asked a legit massage place girl to give me a happy ending, although at some places there has been 'inadvertent' ball or shaft brushing, maybe as a tease. I think I've been afraid to ask because it's at the ones I typically go to for legit massages and would be embarrassed to show up again if I asked and was rejected.
Typical massage starts with a legit body massage (quality depends on skill of girl). This will then evolve into an ass and light or heavy (depending on your pref) asshole massage and then flip over and onto the frank and beans. Generally you will provide the girl a 100 RMB tip for a HJ during a 60-90 minute massage session. If I double up the session I will tip 200, although I don't know if this is common practice or not. The massage itself will probably cost (depending on shop) between 180-350 RMB. You typically shower (in the room) before and after the oil HJ massage. You can generally grope the girl, though she might want a tip for taking her top or panties off (depends on girl and your relationship with her). Some girls are ok with fingering (pussy and / or ass) some girls are not – again depends on girl. If you go to a HE place near lots of expats / foreign travelers (Jinqiao and near the Expo come to mind) , expect the girls to want 300+ tip for a HE. I try to avoid these places as the girls have been spoiled.Mightywind,
Many thanks for this excellent and elaborate report! My question refers to the tip in a SPA for the HJ treatment. I have noticed that many girls in central Pudong area ask Y300 for tip (I am of mixed race, but of course considered laowai.) and are difficult to negotiate down. Only two years back I could easily escape with Y200 and even found a great Y100 place (total price for 60 min) which unfortunately does not exist anymore. With so many resident foreigners and 5 star hotels around it is difficult to find a real 'local' place with lower price expectations. My questions are twofold : 1) where to find more 'local' massage places in Pudong, not too far out and 2) when to discuss the tip. I usually (first visit) let the girl start the massage and wait till she bring it up. This of course is a passive method and does not leave much initiative / bargaining power for me. Would you recommend to discuss the tip from the start. When you think about it, I pay Y350 for a 90 min massage to the shop and then Y300 tip. A visit to Sacrosa (70 min FS) is only Y580. Oh, now I think of a third question : I would like to try a four hand massage, should I then double the tip even though the girls are only doing half the work each, I mean I only have one dick.
Thanks, bro
Forte hotel is a decent hotel, mainly caters to Japanese / Taiwanese clientele, don't expect much western feeling from the place.
I often stay there and never had a problem bringing a girl back.
The hotel is quite small for your info. Let's say when they opened a few years back it was much better but one cannot complain too much.
As for Saunas, you have at 5 minutes walking distance the former Zhongtian Sauna Club, now it has another name (Xinghe). It's very near the Sheraton Hotel, just around the corner. I always had good service, although it's a rather old Sauna and not so lush compared to Hong Song and the other popular ones. Price is like other Sauna around 880RMB if I'm not wrong.Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the deal
Fritobugger
04-18-13, 02:40
Girl number #80 is the only reason to go to Longhao Spa since the place is a bit shabby.
She (#80) gives some of the best PSE in town. She is not the youngest chick in the nest but her skills are top notch. Great ass and super cute face. Oral skills to curl your toes. I wish she worked at a nicer spa or was available for delivery / take out.
New girl #6 is nice and cute. 20 years old but lacks skill and needs training.
The road in front of the place is currently under heavy construction.
Hey guys!
New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.
I need the address of Manhattan, Bodi sauna or anyother sauna you guys can recommend near by that area.
Want to know how far its from Huai Hai road or Downtwon area. If possible need address in Chinese so that I can easily reach there by showing it to the taxi driver.
Cheers!
Member #4689
04-18-13, 08:05
Girl number #80 is the only reason to go to Longhao Spa since the place is a bit shabby.
She (#80) gives some of the best PSE in town. She is not the youngest chick in the nest but her skills are top notch. Great ass and super cute face. Oral skills to curl your toes. I wish she worked at a nicer spa or was available for delivery / take out.
New girl #6 is nice and cute. 20 years old but lacks skill and needs training.
The road in front of the place is currently under heavy construction.Could you please provide more address + service (FS?) details. I did a forum search on Longhua Road and came up blank. Thanks.
I was in Shanghai last week and decided to see what I could find for entertainment. My last trip to Shanghai included a trip to Bodi, but like others, I was disappointed. I usually stay at the Riverview Hotel which used to be a fairly good service location. I had not heard any reviews on the Riverview lately so I decided to check that out.
I went to the sauna and asked about services. They said a massage was 216 RMB. I knew that was too low for what I was looking for so I thanked them and left. One of the guys followed me to the elevator and said that I could get a massage with a hand job in my room for 600 RMB. I laughed at his little joke and left.
My next venture out was to try the Hong Song Sauna that I had heard about here. Now there has been some misinformation here on the forum as to the location of the Hong Song. I had read that you go around behind the Hilton and enter the building back there. That is not the case – I tried. Then I have read that the sauna is on the 4th floor of the Hilton Hotel. That is not true, either.
When you are standing in front of the Hilton Hongqiao Hotel, there are buildings on either side of it that are set out to the street. The Hilton is set back from the street with a wide drive between those two outer buildings. The building you want is to the left of that driveway.
The building is marked: YuanYi Shanghai Hongqiao. It appears that this was formerly the Hilton before it moved into the larger building. Just walk through the front entrance and the elevators are on your right. Go up to the fourth floor and you are in heaven!
A person will greet you and show you the price – to make sure you didn't stumble into the wrong place. Then you are directed down one corridor and another until you end up – at the fishbowl. I was there at 2:00 pm and the fishbowl was full with about 40 girls. Top quality girls, better than I had seen at Bodi.
I picked a nice petite girl (20ish with a beautiful face and typical Chinese figure for a 20 year old) who was called to come out. She took my arm and we walked to the room. Each room has a shower, so she did all the work of undressing us and then showering us. Then on to the action.
The facilities are top-notch and she had been trained to provide top service.
The fee was 980 – expensive, but I felt worth the cost. There was no locker room, no goofy shorts and no guys standing around to dry you off. You just went right to the room with the girl.
The taxi fare from the Bund was 70 RMB, and it is about 15Km. I had looked at getting there by metro, but it is quite a ways and you would really have to know Chinese characters to find your way to the Hilton.
Here is a photo of the front of the building:
Shanghai Guide
04-18-13, 17:52
Hey guys!
New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.
I need the address of Manhattan and some sauna.
Cheers!From your hotel to Manhattan, it is very near with taxi, but too far away for work. You can just take the adress card from the page and put it to your mobile phone, than easy to show to the taxi driver:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/pickup-bars/manhattan-bar/
For the Sauna I attached some location cards here, because on our page you need to get member to download them.
If you want to find the sauna most near to your location, you also can check out the sauna map here:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/sauna-clubs/shanghai-sauna-map/
Enjoy Shanghai
MightyWind2
04-18-13, 23:13
Mightywind,
Many thanks for this excellent and elaborate report! My question refers to the tip in a SPA for the HJ treatment. I have noticed that many girls in central Pudong area ask Y300 for tip (I am of mixed race, but of course considered laowai.) and are difficult to negotiate down. Only two years back I could easily escape with Y200 and even found a great Y100 place (total price for 60 min) which unfortunately does not exist anymore. With so many resident foreigners and 5 star hotels around it is difficult to find a real 'local' place with lower price expectations. My questions are twofold : 1) where to find more 'local' massage places in Pudong, not too far out and 2) when to discuss the tip. I usually (first visit) let the girl start the massage and wait till she bring it up. This of course is a passive method and does not leave much initiative / bargaining power for me. Would you recommend to discuss the tip from the start. When you think about it, I pay Y350 for a 90 min massage to the shop and then Y300 tip. A visit to Sacrosa (70 min FS) is only Y580. Oh, now I think of a third question : I would like to try a four hand massage, should I then double the tip even though the girls are only doing half the work each, I mean I only have one dick.
Thanks, broYes, agree with you that asking prices have gone up – like other places, the girls have become spoiled in terms of prices. Getting the prices down is more art than science and it depends on each girl. Places around century park, jinqiao, dongfang Road are rife with gougers. The more local places in pudong are definitely out in the sticks more: beicai, zhangjiang, chuansha, north of jinqiao – much less expat traffic.
Most of the girls figure they won't see you again so if you ask them they will 100% high ball you on the tip and hope that anchors the negotiation in their favor. Practically speaking, it's a bit harder to negotiate in a HJ massage place as by the time you are having the conversation with the girl you are probably already showered and on the bed wearing their massage shorts. Harder to 'walk away' in that situation. A strategy for you would be to offer them 200rmb and when they pull their sob story or stink face, just tell them matter of fact that that is what you pay elsewhere and is more than some other places where you are a 'lao ke'. Then say, 'wow I liked you, would have like to be a repeat customer for you, but if you are pulling this, then sorry, can't afford you and don't want to'. Also, each girl always has a monthly quota they have to fulfill, which is why they always try to sell the fckn member card to you – just tell them that if you had liked them you might have considered helping them next time or down the line with the card, but if they expect tips like that, forget it.
You can definitely bargain the quote at the beginning and it's the smart thing to do, however it does break the mood and if the girl is unhappy with the tip that you won't budge on then, you can expect a shitty service. Also, if you try to negotiate in the middle of the massage while she's teasing your willy wonka, you are not going to get very far or again, you'll get a shitty service / attitude (which breaks the mood and pleasant experience of the massage) – if she is unhappy with what she will get at the end. If you tip at the end, and even if the tip is fair, the girl will still try to pull a long face to get more money out of your pocket. It's just the nature of the game – I've come to the conclusion that invariably someone will be somewhat unhappy (when it's a first time in a HJ massage place) with the tip – either the girl, or the guy who gets buyer-regret for over-tipping. If I don't want to get into their pants, I'the rather it be her genuinely unhappy / or acting unhappy to get more. Just to be clear, I already think my tipping is fair and it is definitely more than locals will give.
Personally I try to follow the guideline of 100 rmb for a 60/90 minute session. Or 100 rmb per pop if it's over a 90 minute session. I don't think the girls should ever get over 100rmb per hour, unless they have three arms or a PhD in HJ massages and blew my mind. This is still more than some of the locals who might get away with a 50rmb tip for 60 minutes, but I've heard it's getting harder for them too. A typical session for me would be 200rmb tip for 2 hours and 2 pops. The last time I can remember giving 100rmb for 2 hours was at least over a year and a half ago, so maybe the girls have also brainwashed / trained me over time. I have budged on occasion and given 300 for 2 hours, but it's when I really really like the new girl and plan on repeats to eventually bone her. And I'm pretty jaded when it comes to shanghai working chicks. Honestly. 100rmb per hour is WAY more than fair, just it depends on whether the guy has the stomach to deal with the unhappy girl at the end of the massage once she receives her tip – she can't really complain to the manager or anyone. I've had some girls tell me, some guys even walk out without tipping and there's nothing they can do – it is still illegal activity after all and also the management will not regulate it – but I think most of us are gentlemen to an extent.
If you are going to be a repeat customer then things change in your favor. I have some girls who do BBBJs and some who will do FS for their regular tip, but it has taken some time to develop the relationship and get to that (as most things in China). That's the upside of HJ massages, services and value improves the longer you know a girl. I've even negotiated some girls down (after a couple / few trips) , by telling them that I like them and their service and I would like to see them more often, but the tip is too high and there are other places with better value for me, but I would rather keep going to them. They usually budge as consistent income for them is still valuable.
For two girls, you would unfortunately have to tip them both even though you only have one dick to go around. If you are here longer term, best method is to establish a long-term girl, and then bring it up to her that you would like to have 2 girls and can she bring someone she knows and has worked with before because you want a really really hot experience.
PuttPutt509
04-18-13, 23:55
Hey guys!
New member on ISG. Read many pages on shanghai thread. Going to be in Shanghai from coming Monday to Thursday. Going to stay at Holiday Inn downtown.
I need the address of Manhattan, Bodi sauna or anyother sauna you guys can recommend near by that area.
Want to know how far its from Huai Hai road or Downtwon area. If possible need address in Chinese so that I can easily reach there by showing it to the taxi driver.
Cheers!If you are staying at the Vista Holiday Inn. 700 Changshou Lu, there is a decent sauna on the 4th floor. Quality of the experience depends on the luck of the draw, which girl you get, but there have been some gems there. If you are staying at the one on Heng Feng, I don't think they have an in house sauna and you will have to hit one of the places mentioned often here by taxi.
Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the dealWell the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.
But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.
Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.
The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,
The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.
Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.
Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.
Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.
It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.
Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.
Lad! Used to walk by there all the time. Write a report! Always wanted to know the dealWell the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.
But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.
Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.
The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,
The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.
Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.
Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.
Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.
It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.
Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.
Long time I don't post here, and I don't see massage parlor postings as well, so I'd like to report my last few experiences.
I've been going more often to the Changping Lu, Shaanxi Lu (NW side) recently, since the changed their service to include BBBJ for 298. Also SW one did the same, but girls here are definitely better.
I remember someone posted that that former No 8 that one with the perfect tits could be back with number 5, but that's not true. I didn't find her.
My first experience was with #12, perfect service, nice BBBJ and CIM. Nice tits, average looking. Then I had #22, bit (maybe more than a bit) overweight, but she had the biggest tits ever. Service was ok, but she gave an excuse for not doing BBBJ, so I let her do a tit Wank which wasn't at all bad idea here. The 3rd girl also tried not to do the BJ, then I understood how it works, they are getting lazy so you have to ask. This one did a wonderful job with the massage and just so so BJ, but I forgot her number. Best one was No 2, nice body, best BBBJ, she just doesn't allow fingering her, licking her tits and CIM. I will do her again next time.
I also tried a Minhang place on Caobao Lu someone posted long time ago, the girl was the hottest, just perfect body and face, but it's way to far from me. Anyone got news on that?
Guys any updates on MPs?
Mgp
Could you please provide more address + service (FS?) details. I did a forum search on Longhua Road and came up blank. Thanks.It's Longhua Spa on DuJuan Road. Normal service, a bit shabby but otherwise ok.
Beijing4987
04-19-13, 17:28
Send me a PM. We have tried some if the same providers.
BJ.
I also tried a Minhang place on Caobao Lu someone posted long time ago, the girl was the hottest, just perfect body and face, but it's way to far from me. Anyone got news on that?
Guys any updates on MPs?
Mgp[/QUOTE]
Member #4689
04-19-13, 22:28
Yes, agree with you that asking prices have gone up – like other places, the girls have become spoiled in terms of prices. Getting the prices down is more art than science and it depends on each girl. Places around century park, jinqiao, dongfang Road are rife with gougers. The more local places in pudong are definitely out in the sticks more: beicai, zhangjiang, chuansha, north of jinqiao – much less expat traffic.
Most of the girls figure they won't see you again so if you ask them they will 100% high ball you on the tip and hope that anchors the negotiation in their favor. Practically speaking, it's a bit harder to negotiate in a HJ massage place as by the time you are having the conversation with the girl you are probably already showered and on the bed wearing their massage shorts. Harder to 'walk away' in that situation. A strategy for you would be to offer them 200rmb and when they pull their sob story or stink face, just tell them matter of fact that that is what you pay elsewhere and is more than some other places where you are a 'lao ke'. Then say, 'wow I liked you, would have like to be a repeat customer for you, but if you are pulling this, then sorry, can't afford you and don't want to'. Also, each girl always has a monthly quota they have to fulfill, which is why they always try to sell the fckn member card to you – just tell them that if you had liked them you might have considered helping them next time or down the line with the card, but if they expect tips like that, forget it.
You can definitely bargain the quote at the beginning and it's the smart thing to do, however it does break the mood and if the girl is unhappy with the tip that you won't budge on then, you can expect a shitty service. Also, if you try to negotiate in the middle of the massage while she's teasing your willy wonka, you are not going to get very far or again, you'll get a shitty service / attitude (which breaks the mood and pleasant experience of the massage) – if she is unhappy with what she will get at the end. If you tip at the end, and even if the tip is fair, the girl will still try to pull a long face to get more money out of your pocket. It's just the nature of the game – I've come to the conclusion that invariably someone will be somewhat unhappy (when it's a first time in a HJ massage place) with the tip – either the girl, or the guy who gets buyer-regret for over-tipping. If I don't want to get into their pants, I'the rather it be her genuinely unhappy / or acting unhappy to get more. Just to be clear, I already think my tipping is fair and it is definitely more than locals will give.
Personally I try to follow the guideline of 100 rmb for a 60/90 minute session. Or 100 rmb per pop if it's over a 90 minute session. I don't think the girls should ever get over 100rmb per hour, unless they have three arms or a PhD in HJ massages and blew my mind. This is still more than some of the locals who might get away with a 50rmb tip for 60 minutes, but I've heard it's getting harder for them too. A typical session for me would be 200rmb tip for 2 hours and 2 pops. The last time I can remember giving 100rmb for 2 hours was at least over a year and a half ago, so maybe the girls have also brainwashed / trained me over time. I have budged on occasion and given 300 for 2 hours, but it's when I really really like the new girl and plan on repeats to eventually bone her. And I'm pretty jaded when it comes to shanghai working chicks. Honestly. 100rmb per hour is WAY more than fair, just it depends on whether the guy has the stomach to deal with the unhappy girl at the end of the massage once she receives her tip – she can't really complain to the manager or anyone. I've had some girls tell me, some guys even walk out without tipping and there's nothing they can do – it is still illegal activity after all and also the management will not regulate it – but I think most of us are gentlemen to an extent.
If you are going to be a repeat customer then things change in your favor. I have some girls who do BBBJs and some who will do FS for their regular tip, but it has taken some time to develop the relationship and get to that (as most things in China). That's the upside of HJ massages, services and value improves the longer you know a girl. I've even negotiated some girls down (after a couple / few trips) , by telling them that I like them and their service and I would like to see them more often, but the tip is too high and there are other places with better value for me, but I would rather keep going to them. They usually budge as consistent income for them is still valuable.
For two girls, you would unfortunately have to tip them both even though you only have one dick to go around. If you are here longer term, best method is to establish a long-term girl, and then bring it up to her that you would like to have 2 girls and can she bring someone she knows and has worked with before because you want a really really hot experience.Thanks for this detailed info. Learned a lot : locals pay much less tip (Y50) like in a BBS and two pops are possible. Overall I think I have been too easy / quick to pay such high tips and guess some other members here as well. So note to self : next time be a better negotiator and avoid being a soft target (pun intended). Thanks, bro.
Well the last time I was in this sauna was some months ago so I don't know today's situation.
But the sauna is in the premises of the former NAKADA / Zhongtian Sauna which was really popular some years back.
Even inside the room you can see the old name everywhere.
The process is the same as all the other wet sauna, you get the room with the wet and dry area,
The deal was 880rmb for 90 minutes.
Line up usually 10-20 girls depending on how busy they are.
Service has usually been decent, as always it depends how you click with the girl.
Manager (if still the same) could speak a bit of english.
It's a handy place if you are in the area, but as I said it's starting to feel the weight of the years and the place doesn't look very luxurious like some more popular places you see recently.
Now the name is Xinghe, xian xia lu I think, very very near Sheraton Hongqiao.Hi bro:
Thanks for sharing the report, Xinghe sauna address:No. 86 Xianxia Road.
Does any one know of a MP near Shanghai airport I got a 12 hour layover looking for something to do while I'm stuck there.
Asian Geek
04-20-13, 18:40
Does any one know of a MP near Shanghai airport I got a 12 hour layover looking for something to do while I'm stuck there.Ramada at Airport has a spa. Go there and have fun.
I have not written much lately. Do not believe in writing without adding new information. Have not seen much information about the sauna at the fake market in a while. It was closed, but is now up and running again.
It is easy to find. Just enter the Fake market, on the first floor keep left and walk 15 meter. Then there is a door / plastic cover leading to a lobby. Keep right, take the elevator to the 6th floor. Then on the left side is the place.
I was there, price 880 RMB for 80 minutes. On the way out, who was also leaving, I was asked by a local what I had paid. He had paid the same.
I was happy with the 80 minutes with number 22. Only complaint was that she put on a porno on the screen. I do not need that.
Cheers
Does any one know of a MP near Shanghai airport I got a 12 hour layover looking for something to do while I'm stuck there.If you are able to actually leave the airport, and if you are at the Pudong airport, you have plenty of time to RTFF back a couple of months and see exact instructions on how to get to Bodi Sauna, kick heels for 70 or 90 minutes and get back to the airport with lots of time to spare. Actually, if you have an extra 200 RMB for cab fare, you could hit pretty much any of the saunas with that kind of time. It's all in here already.
Fritobugger
04-22-13, 01:49
What time do you arrive? Most saunas don't open until 1pm or 2pm. Most BBS places open around 11am or so. If you arrive during the day, I would recommend storing your bags, then jump on the Maglev to Longyang Lu station. You are a short walk from several BBS places and Longhao Spa Chamber. You are also a very short taxi ride from Bodi. A roundtrip maglev ticket is cheap and can have you close to the action in 10 minutes instead of a 40 minute taxi ride.
If you are able to actually leave the airport, and if you are at the Pudong airport, you have plenty of time to RTFF back a couple of months and see exact instructions on how to get to Bodi Sauna, kick heels for 70 or 90 minutes and get back to the airport with lots of time to spare. Actually, if you have an extra 200 RMB for cab fare, you could hit pretty much any of the saunas with that kind of time. It's all in here already.
Bad Boy Billy
04-22-13, 02:21
Have not seen much information about the sauna at the fake market in a while. It was closed, but is now up and running again.Thanks for that info Gislaved. I never knew there was a Sauna there at all. Will be in SH May 5. Will give it a try. Again thanks for posting the info.
I have not written much lately. Do not believe in writing without adding new information. Have not seen much information about the sauna at the fake market in a while. It was closed, but is now up and running again.
It is easy to find. Just enter the Fake market, on the first floor keep left and walk 15 meter. Then there is a door / plastic cover leading to a lobby. Keep right, take the elevator to the 6th floor. Then on the left side is the place.
I was there, price 880 RMB for 80 minutes. On the way out, who was also leaving, I was asked by a local what I had paid. He had paid the same.
I was happy with the 80 minutes with number 22. Only complaint was that she put on a porno on the screen. I do not need that.
CheersCan you tell the present name of the sauna. Its original name is Fengdingyuan.
Ramada at Airport has a spa. Go there and have fun.Yes, it's called Helen Huang Spa.
There's also a vita spa in the pudong airport.
Can you tell the present name of the sauna. Its original name is fengdingyuan.I think something like Xin Hao Yuan, when you enter the elevator you will see. I saw no signs on the outside.
Goochmeister
04-22-13, 19:50
Hey all,
I've been lurking / RTFF for some time now and wanted to ask for some advice. I am going to be in Shanghai this Friday for a 24 hour layover. I'll fly into Pudong about 5 pm and don't leave till 5pm on Saturday. I've traveled a fair amount but never been to shanghai. So here is my plan for the night: check into my hotel, hit a sauna, then grab dinner and then head to either Manhattans or Judy's and grab a girl for LT. Looking to spend about 2000 rmb give or take for the sauna and the LT fun before I fly out.
Okay now for the actual questions:
1. If I want to bring a WG back Saturday night, should I stay close to downtown? Or would it be okay for me to cab back to someplace close to the airport (PVG). Also, is there a decent hotel that is WG friendly that someone could recommend?
2. As far as saunas go, I've been reading up on ISG and a while back someone posted about this place
Shuangmei Sauna Chamber.
https://plus.google.com/110320914481029296467/about
In an earlier post from a year or so ago, this was listed a good place to have a threesome for about 800 rmb. Just wondering if anyone has been lately or if it is still open.
Thanks everybody.
Goochmeister
04-22-13, 20:04
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Anyway, I'll be in shanghai for 24 hours on a long layover. Been reading the forum for a while, and had a few questions. I'll be there Friday night and head out on Saturday.
Is shuangmei sauna on wuyi road still open? I read earlier about a threesome there for about 800 rmb, but the post was from 2011 I think. Anyone been lately?
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay.
Thanks
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Anyway, I'll be in shanghai for 24 hours on a long layover. Been reading the forum for a while, and had a few questions. I'll be there Friday night and head out on Saturday.
Is shuangmei sauna on wuyi road still open? I read earlier about a threesome there for about 800 rmb, but the post was from 2011 I think. Anyone been lately?
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay.
ThanksDefinitely stay in town. You'll find more to do with the day, and much more likely to find a girl to go back with you
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Anyway, I'll be in shanghai for 24 hours on a long layover. Been reading the forum for a while, and had a few questions. I'll be there Friday night and head out on Saturday.
Is shuangmei sauna on wuyi road still open? I read earlier about a threesome there for about 800 rmb, but the post was from 2011 I think. Anyone been lately?
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay.
ThanksCongrats! You did a good job of doing your homework. If you are on the company dime, I like the Hilton. Very nice hotel, will let you bring the girl in as long as she signs in. (this is Chinese law, some do it some don't, don't sweat it- My Chinese girlfriend has signed in for 2 years and never been a problem)
There are cheaper places if you want. Hilton is maybe a mile from manhattans (which is behind the ritz carlton). Tell the door man you want to go to the Big bambu for dinner. It is an expat bar with great burgers. Manhattans is the next building to the Big Bambu. Don't get to Manhattans before 10pm or expect to sit by yourself for a while.
As far as saunas, I don't have a lot of info on those. Others can help you there.
Sam Can
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay. ThanksI don't think any girl will be likely to follow you to an airport hotel, forse some 60' cab drive. You will have to pay her the fare back home and who knows where she lives.
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Anyway, I'll be in shanghai for 24 hours on a long layover. Been reading the forum for a while, and had a few questions. I'll be there Friday night and head out on Saturday.
Is shuangmei sauna on wuyi road still open? I read earlier about a threesome there for about 800 rmb, but the post was from 2011 I think. Anyone been lately?
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay.
ThanksI list some hotel the is girl-friendly&65306; Le Royal Meridien Shanghai JC Mandarin Hotel, Shanghai, Shanghai Hotel.
Shanghai hotel is in Jingan district and doe have sauna club in the hotel.
Or you can take a look at Xin Hao Yuan at fake market which is recommended by Gislaved.
Hey all,
I've been lurking / RTFF for some time now and wanted to ask for some advice. I am going to be in Shanghai this Friday for a 24 hour layover. I'll fly into Pudong about 5 pm and don't leave till 5pm on Saturday. I've traveled a fair amount but never been to shanghai. So here is my plan for the night: check into my hotel, hit a sauna, then grab dinner and then head to either Manhattans or Judy's and grab a girl for LT. Looking to spend about 2000 rmb give or take for the sauna and the LT fun before I fly out.
Okay now for the actual questions:
1. If I want to bring a WG back Saturday night, should I stay close to downtown? Or would it be okay for me to cab back to someplace close to the airport (PVG). Also, is there a decent hotel that is WG friendly that someone could recommend?
2. As far as saunas go, I've been reading up on ISG and a while back someone posted about this place
Shuangmei Sauna Chamber.
https://plus.google.com/110320914481029296467/about
In an earlier post from a year or so ago, this was listed a good place to have a threesome for about 800 rmb. Just wondering if anyone has been lately or if it is still open.
Thanks everybody.The Ritz is WG friendly, stayed there many times and it is close to the action. Last Sauna I visited was Bodi in Pudong back in February. About 20 girls in the line up, all reasonably attractive.
Goochmeister
04-24-13, 16:18
Ah, thanks for the help. I figured it would be a bit of a hike to get a girl all the way back to some airport hotel. I'll try to find something a little closer to the city center I guess.
But yeah, has anyone been to Shuangmei Sauna lately? Just curious. Thanks again for the sage advice random internet people.
The Bund Riverside Hotel is within walking distance to the Nanjing Lu walk street and I've never had a problem bringing a girl in.
Clandestine782
04-25-13, 03:38
I've used a guy to arrange girls. He is an Englishman that works here and speaks Chinese.
His work name is "Bernie."
His phone number is: [Telephone Number deleted by Admin].
He arranges girls around the Shanghai area, but you have to call and tell him what you want.
Just be direct. He doesn't like you to waste his time. Tell him: "I am looking for pussy / fanny. She should be ." He'll get your location and send her to a hotel. He gets his cut from her.
His rates seem to be about 800-1500 for countryside girls. He has a few city girls, too. (I prefer countryside girls because they are liable to be cleaner.)
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Hi,
I am going to stay 2 nights in Shanghai, East Asia Regal hotel (Shanghai Stadium).
Is there any Sauna or BBS near around?
Or any kind of escort girl, which website do you prefer to check?
I would appreciate your help!
Hi,
I am going to stay 2 nights in Shanghai, East Asia Regal hotel (Shanghai Stadium).
Is there any Sauna or BBS near around?
Or any kind of escort girl, which website do you prefer to check?
I would appreciate your help!The hotel is within walking distance to 999 (Jiuyuan Sauna).
Tianyaoqiao Road. 999
Jude Bright
04-26-13, 06:38
Arrived at Pudong airport at about 10 pm on Monday. Went through the custom like a breathe and got on the taxi at about 10:30. The ride from the airport to my hotel took about 45 minutes and cost 180. Checked in the hotel, next door to the Hilton Hongqiao, quick walked to the Hong Song club, on the other end of the same block and went upstairs, the 4th floor. Greeted by a guy and was told the waiting time is about one hour. You have to buy the membership card, cost 100 and get. I thought I could use the waiting time to have a nice bath, sauna, socked in the hot pool and had a body scrub by a guy. Went to the waiting area and relax, had wanton and tongyuan and ordered a few drinks. I was there for another hour and by the time I was show the fishbowls, it was 1 am in the morning. I choose a girl from Harbin. 20 year old spinner. We, along with may be another 10 pairs have to wait in the corridor for the room to be available. Because they have only 40 rooms and there are some many mongers. I was told the double flyers have the priority to get the room. After waiting there for about 10 minutes, I decided to get a double flyer for additional 500. We got a room soon after the other girl arrived. Off went to the room, went through the routine, through washed by the two girls and have massage, ice and fire, cat bath, BBBJ, and rim. Then, cover up and did the deed.
In summary:
Try to go early.
Expect to wait for long time, even on Monday.
No need to take a bath before choose the girl, they will wash you in the room.
You can order food for free, not the drink, the drink is 10 per cup.
The service is good for 60 minutes.
Enjoy.
JB
Hi,
I am going to stay 2 nights in Shanghai, East Asia Regal hotel (Shanghai Stadium).
Is there any Sauna or BBS near around?
Or any kind of escort girl, which website do you prefer to check?
I would appreciate your help!Hi bro:
Like bro Carage said 999 is about 3. 1km to your hotel&65292; you'd better take a taxi to there.
The hotel is within walking distance to 999 (Jiuyuan Sauna).
Tianyaoqiao Road. 999There're other sauna club that you can choose:
Hai Lang Sauna
Wave flower Elite Club
About Escort Girl, most photos on the escort websites are fake, they're agency's girls. And be careful scam!
You can check Chinadaily Classifieds: http://classifieds.chinadaily.com/?cityid=2&subcatid=133&view=ads
Hi bro:
Like bro Carage said 999 is about 3. 1km to your hotel you'd better take a taxi to there.
There're other sauna club that you can choose:
Hai Lang Sauna.
Wave flower Elite Club.
About Escort Girl, most photos on the escort websites are fake, they're agency's girls. And be careful scam!
You can check Chinadaily Classifieds:
http://classifieds.chinadaily.com/?cityid=2&subcatid=133&view=adsShanghai Stadium is not 3. 1km to 999, it is more like a 15 minute walk.
I am pretty sure he is talking about the hotel inside the Shanghai Stadium.
There are two hotels inside the stadium area, one is the Olympic Club which used to have its own sauna, and the other is the East Asia Regal, which is like next to a bar on the first level of the stadium.
When did the Olympic Club's sauna close? So many hotels in Shanghai used to have saunas. My favorite was the Royalton in Zhongshan Park. Any other hotel sauna's around besides the Shanghai Hotel and Bodi? For some reason, those were always my favorite.
Shanghai Stadium is not 3. 1km to 999, it is more like a 15 minute walk.
I am pretty sure he is talking about the hotel inside the Shanghai Stadium.
There are two hotels inside the stadium area, one is the Olympic Club which used to have its own sauna, and the other is the East Asia Regal, which is like next to a bar on the first level of the stadium.
FernandoAlonso
04-27-13, 04:17
Mates,
Having read all this recent acceptance of hijacked prices for HJ here my latest experience.
Went out for fun and found to my big surprise all BBS open an freshly stacked with younger ladies. Made the mistake going in a Spa which I took for a naughty one as surrounded by BBS and the girls dressed very sexy. 80 RMB for an hour of nice oil back massage and a lot of fun chatting and teasing with the girls was not bad but not what I was looking for. May come back as I am sure there is more to be had but I was literally the first foreigner they saw there so they may have been cautious not showing me the special treatment room. We will see.
Got a 22 year old cute Shandong girl in a BBS on the way back for 200 RMB FS first offer, wanted another 100 for a BBBJ and said 30 minutes. Nothing rushed, a real sweet cutie and when I was on my way out I was asked come back, next time it would be 200 RMB for the same service. This all without any haggling so could well be lower even this is very close to some expat ghettos and in this area I never found a price below 300 so far (too big, foreigner take too long etc.). This time I just went 5 bike minutes in another direction where there are primarily Chinese living. Without searching at least 10 BBS in a 5 mile radius.
Do not buy into this everything has become more expensive bullshit, just open your eyes, search a little and you get better quality for a realistic price.
Location happily provided via PM.
FA
Shanghai Guide
04-27-13, 17:32
Hi,
Or any kind of escort girl, which website do you prefer to check?
I would appreciate your help!You can check out this page:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/
The escort area has some real girls profiles, even with real girls pictures. But outcall in Shanghai is much more expensive than sauna or pickup in a Bar like Manhattan or Judys. And if the escort agency offer lower prices, you will not get what you want exept you rise up the price. So be carefull, if you find cheap offers like "one hour hotel massage rmb 400 or 800". Never you will get full service of a pretty girl for that in Shanghai! The agencies most time will advertise with faked pictures (even they will tell you 100% real) , than they will ask for a low price first, than rise up more and more if you accepted the girl that arrived. So be carefull!
Thanks a lot to all of you for the help!
I found Jiuyuan Sauna (Tianyaoqiao Road. 999) that you proposed me. Very good place!
Just 10 min walk from Shanghai Stadium.
You can check out this page:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/
The escort area has some real girls profiles, even with real girls pictures. But outcall in Shanghai is much more expensive than sauna or pickup in a Bar like Manhattan or Judys. And if the escort agency offer lower prices, you will not get what you want exept you rise up the price. So be carefull, if you find cheap offers like "one hour hotel massage rmb 400 or 800". Never you will get full service of a pretty girl for that in Shanghai! The agencies most time will advertise with faked pictures (even they will tell you 100% real) , than they will ask for a low price first, than rise up more and more if you accepted the girl that arrived. So be carefull!
Shanghai Stadium is not 3. 1km to 999, it is more like a 15 minute walk.
I am pretty sure he is talking about the hotel inside the Shanghai Stadium.
There are two hotels inside the stadium area, one is the Olympic Club which used to have its own sauna, and the other is the East Asia Regal, which is like next to a bar on the first level of the stadium.Sorry, my mistake. Carage's right. It is more like a 15 minute walk.
Shanghai Stadium is not 3. 1km to 999, it is more like a 15 minute walk.
I am pretty sure he is talking about the hotel inside the Shanghai Stadium.
There are two hotels inside the stadium area, one is the Olympic Club which used to have its own sauna, and the other is the East Asia Regal, which is like next to a bar on the first level of the stadium.There's a sauna called Xin Yuan Club in the Olympic Club.
I visited 999 Sauna two times. First time I choosed only one girl (can't remember the nr). She was very beautiful and nice. This was the first time for me to visite a sauna place but I was more then satisfed. This girl was amazing and she enjoyed also. I wish she could speak english, but we used body lang instead.
I saw in this forum and other places that people recommed to take 2 girls in this place so I went there again and choosed 2 girls (didn't saw my favorite girl there).
But this time I was very disappointed, these girls talked with each other a lot. Sometimes they laught, they complained that my dick was to big. They talked with each other and even if I can't their language I could understand what they where talking about. They tried to make me come as soon as possible, it was to much fake.
I was very disappointed, it was total different with one girl only. So my advice is to take only one girl.
I paid 1380 rmb, and went out from there. Not so happy. I should go to Manhattan instead and pick up a girl, I heard that you can find a girl for whole night about 1500 rmb.
There's a sauna called Xin Yuan Club in the Olympic Club.The last time I was there. Probably like three years ago, I was told they only offer legit services while I was changing in the locker room so I left and went to 999 instead.
I went to Manhattan club tonight, a lot of girls came and talked. Told me what they offer and price. Then a beautiful young girl came (25 years) and we started to chat, she wanted 2000 rmb for the whole night. I am only 32 and does not look so bad, so I told her 1000 rmb for whole night and she agreed.
We came to my hotell and everything went well at the begining. We started to have sex, and about 10-15 min she says "come come." and then again she ask me why I don't come! I said relax, we have whole night and I don't come so easy. It takes a while. Then everything changed, she started to say that she had a hadache and doesn't feel so good. She said that we can have sex in the morning instead. I said no way. Gave her 200 rmb and asked her to leave.
I know that they just want to have money, but still what do they think! That I am just going to fuck with them for 15-20 min when I pay for whole night!
Brethren.
I've called at this club three times, following the below tip. As it is a little off the beaten track for foreginers, you are quite a novelty when you show up. Recently I had a slim young thing, being virtually insatiable, going well above and beyond what is normally offered in her trade. This is not the exception in Jun Hao, making it highly recommendable.
Cheers,
Kraut
Jun Hao Club.
Longming Lu No. 2131, Building C. 3rd Floor. At the Corner to Caobao Lu.
Opening hours: 1 pm to 2 am.
Phone: 021-33583736.
Manager: Ms Mandy (Chinese name: Meng Meng) no english skills.
Manager mobile: 0086-13661552735.
Here how you go there with metro:
Line 9 to Xing Zhong Lu station (&26143; &20013; &36335; &31449, take exit Nr. 2.
Follow the Cao Bao Lu till you reach the corner of Long Ming Lu.
Details:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/sauna-clubs/jun-hao-club/
Hi,
Small tip from me; Was in Laoweijie and wanted to let out some pressure. I have bad experience from BBS close by this laoweijie, so this time I took the car and drove down the road. I took a turn down Huan Zhen Road and found there were many BBS around. Went into a few, all of them freindly and service minded. A few places they wouldn't offer FS, but it could be arranged if I waited a few minutes. I was given offers like RMB 100 for titfuck or a HJ. Finally settled with a place quoting RMB 200 for CBJ and FS. Service good and girls decent. My recommendations.
Last weekend I saw a group of massage places that I hadn't noticed before, at the end of Lancun Road near Yang Gao Road (next south from the famous Eshan Road). The largest had dark glass doors so I couldn't see inside, the one next door had girls at the door with short skirts and big smiles. I went in for a look, had a pleasant hour with a frisky young lady, good attitude, decent room and shower, not too much pressure to buy a VIP card. I hour oil massage 300 rmb, extras highly negotiable. The other girls in the lobby seemed friendly, I'll probably go back. There were at least two more massage places across the street, plus a bar called Red Lips. Never heard of it before, don't know if it's good or not.
Last weekend I saw a group of massage places that I hadn't noticed before, at the end of Lancun Road near Yang Gao Road (next south from the famous Eshan Road). The largest had dark glass doors so I couldn't see inside, the one next door had girls at the door with short skirts and big smiles. I went in for a look, had a pleasant hour with a frisky young lady, good attitude, decent room and shower, not too much pressure to buy a VIP card. I hour oil massage 300 rmb, extras highly negotiable. The other girls in the lobby seemed friendly, I'll probably go back. There were at least two more massage places across the street, plus a bar called Red Lips. Never heard of it before, don't know if it's good or not.Hi Ringer5:
Is this Fudi Massage Health Club that you mentioned the largest one?
The one next door should be Yucheng Massage Health Club.
Brethren.
I've called at this club three times, following the below tip. As it is a little off the beaten track for foreginers, you are quite a novelty when you show up. Recently I had a slim young thing, being virtually insatiable, going well above and beyond what is normally offered in her trade. This is not the exception in Jun Hao, making it highly recommendable.
Cheers,
Kraut
I went to Manhattan club tonight, a lot of girls came and talked. Told me what they offer and price. Then a beautiful young girl came (25 years) and we started to chat, she wanted 2000 rmb for the whole night. I am only 32 and does not look so bad, so I told her 1000 rmb for whole night and she agreed.
We came to my hotell and everything went well at the begining. We started to have sex, and about 10-15 min she says "come come." and then again she ask me why I don't come! I said relax, we have whole night and I don't come so easy. It takes a while. Then everything changed, she started to say that she had a hadache and doesn't feel so good. She said that we can have sex in the morning instead. I said no way. Gave her 200 rmb and asked her to leave.
I know that they just want to have money, but still what do they think! That I am just going to fuck with them for 15-20 min when I pay for whole night!Totally depents, had a viet girl once. We fucked 4 times until till 6 in the morning. Took her 2 days later and did it again.
I met this girl - or better: lady, as I think she is in her late 20ies, begin 30ies- Rose, from Shandong province. Her English is quite ok, and she is trying hard to improve it. I met her for the first time 2 years ago, back then, she was still advertising in enjoyshanghai.com. She is a pro, and she is to be found in the bars around the Ritz Carlton.
Rose is a cute little thing, very friendly and energetic, and giving one of the most unrushed and passionate BJs I ever had. CIM is ok with her. She is also reasonable regarding her pricing, paid 600 CNY for the session.
Business seems to be slow, so she asked me to advertise a bit for her. Will share her number with the interested Senior Members. PM me, if interested.
Lev
For those senior members, who enjoyed the service of the infamous Kiki (Qiqi) from the former BBS on Dingxi Road, between Fahuazhen and Xinhua Road (the Place was closed during the big EXPO clean-up) : she has a 'serious' job now, has changed her mobile number, but I still meet with her occasionally in a small hotel close to her home. She has aged a little bit, but still looks stupendous and still provides a pornstar-alike service.
I shared infos about her to some of the senior members here. Pm me, if you are interested in her new mobile number.
Lev
Hi Ringer5:
Is this Fudi Massage Health Club that you mentioned the largest one?
The one next door should be Yucheng Massage Health Club/No, I think those are on the opposite side of the road
AngoChango
05-03-13, 14:08
I went to Manhattan club tonight, a lot of girls came and talked. Told me what they offer and price. Then a beautiful young girl came (25 years) and we started to chat, she wanted 2000 rmb for the whole night. I am only 32 and does not look so bad, so I told her 1000 rmb for whole night and she agreed.
We came to my hotell and everything went well at the begining. We started to have sex, and about 10-15 min she says "come come." and then again she ask me why I don't come! I said relax, we have whole night and I don't come so easy. It takes a while. Then everything changed, she started to say that she had a hadache and doesn't feel so good. She said that we can have sex in the morning instead. I said no way. Gave her 200 rmb and asked her to leave.
I know that they just want to have money, but still what do they think! That I am just going to fuck with them for 15-20 min when I pay for whole night!Was she Chinese? Or SEA?
ShanghaiNemo
05-03-13, 17:00
Hi dudes. Hi fellas. Hi bofbro.
I am totally late. Got some issue afterm my hk trip for visa.
So tomorrow I ll answer all the pm I got from you all.
Asap.
I mean literally on fire. Di you guys heard about it? It was 5 am I stopped but and it was all dark and wet inside, someone said it was son fire.
Hi All.
Sometimes I like a good oil massage and I went to Fino Massage this week end. Behind their price of 750 Rmb for 90 minutes, I was thinking to get good massage and sexy girl.
The girl was not so sexy, a bit fat, the massage nothing exceptional and after groping her and trying to move her pantyhose she asked more money for that. So I do not recommend this place and there many other place better than this one. Later I moved to other place.
By the way question to all of you, where is the place with the most beautiful girl in Shanghai, massage and sauna. Forget bar and KTV and so on, for that need to have time to drink a beer.
I mean literally on fire. Di you guys heard about it? It was 5 am I stopped but and it was all dark and wet inside, someone said it was son fire.No, no say it ain't so! I will be in town next weekend. Some one give a report! Is it back in business? Or is it an all out loss?
No, no say it ain't so! I will be in town next weekend. Some one give a report! Is it back in business? Or is it an all out loss?Is true, Manhattan was on fire, left corner near bathroom entrance, on Saturday morning 2/3am. They worked all day long to fix the damage and Sunday night everything was ok, open for business as usual. I've been there.
Shanghai Guide
05-06-13, 21:34
I mean literally on fire. Di you guys heard about it? It was 5 am I stopped but and it was all dark and wet inside, someone said it was son fire.I went there tonight and definitly business as usuall, so need to be scared that you will have to stay alone!
Hi All.
Sometimes I like a good oil massage and I went to Fino Massage this week end. Behind their price of 750 Rmb for 90 minutes, I was thinking to get good massage and sexy girl.
The girl was not so sexy, a bit fat, the massage nothing exceptional and after groping her and trying to move her pantyhose she asked more money for that. So I do not recommend this place and there many other place better than this one. Later I moved to other place.
By the way question to all of you, where is the place with the most beautiful girl in Shanghai, massage and sauna. Forget bar and KTV and so on, for that need to have time to drink a beer.Go to Spring massage off Mao Ming Lu, $298 gets you a very pretty girl and what you seek in the end.
PC out
Mighty Spearsman
05-07-13, 15:05
I went to Manhattan club tonight, a lot of girls came and talked. Told me what they offer and price. Then a beautiful young girl came (25 years) and we started to chat, she wanted 2000 rmb for the whole night. I am only 32 and does not look so bad, so I told her 1000 rmb for whole night and she agreed.
We went to my hotel and everything went well at the beginning. We started to have sex, and about 10-15 min she says "come come." and then again she ask me why I don't come! I said relax, we have whole night and I don't come so easy. It takes a while. Then everything changed, she started to say that she had a headache and doesn't feel so good. She said that we can have sex in the morning instead. I said no way. Gave her 200 rmb and asked her to leave.
I know that they just want to have money, but still what do they think! That I am just going to fuck with them for 15-20 min when I pay for whole night!Sorry to read about your bad experience. Kudos to you for being willing to "pull the plug" and throw her out!
Go to Spring massage off Mao Ming Lu, $298 gets you a very pretty girl and what you seek in the end.
PC outDo you know the Chinese name of Spring Massage? I just collect some information from the google.
Went tonight to the Buddha massage place on Changping Road. Not that great selection, asked for the famous number 5 but seems she was not there tonight. Ill go back. Anyway. Choose girl 3 from Sichuan. Small body and nice tits. Great attitude. But massage was so so. For less than 20 minutes. Than immediately BJ. No ice & fire, no Jelly thing. BJ was quite good with COB but nothing special. Damage was 298rmb. At the check out they try to sell you the VIP card. Maybe I choose not the best one anyway I'll give a try again in the next days.
Went tonight to the Buddha massage place on Changping Road. Not that great selection, asked for the famous number 5 but seems she was not there tonight. Ill go back. Anyway. Choose girl 3 from Sichuan. Small body and nice tits. Great attitude. But massage was so so. For less than 20 minutes. Than immediately BJ. No ice & fire, no Jelly thing. BJ was quite good with COB but nothing special. Damage was 298rmb. At the check out they try to sell you the VIP card. Maybe I choose not the best one anyway I'll give a try again in the next days.Hello Papp83:
I can't find Buddha massage on Google or Baidu? Is it a new MP on Changping Road?
So its near the crossing of Changping Road and Shaanxi North Road. On the left side. There is a big buddha face at the entrance. Its not a new MP. Hope this will help you. I ll go back soon and take a pic of the place.
Hi There.
First FR here:
Hao Di Fang Massage.
Location:
Pu Dong District, Zhang Yang Road No. 628, 2th floor.
Phone: 021-61536163
Take Exit 12 from Century Avenue Subway station. You will find the massage place on the left side of Zhang Yang Road as you walk towards the river. In the 628 building, on 2F, there is also a blind man massage, very leggit! To get to the right place, you must pass that shop and then turn left at the end of the block and cross over the parking lot. There is a archery place and a gym on the ground floor. But in big letter there is massage for the second floor. It is easiest to compare the phone number which is also on the bill board.
Went there around 4pm. The place is huge! Ask for NiNi (22). She speaks some English. There was a special for 200 bucks which I took. They wanted to give me another girl, but I stuck to NiNi because I like to talk a little bit.
She gave me a bath in the tub, splashed water on me and stroked me while in the water. She also touched my dick and made it hard. Then dried off, went to lie down and she gave me an ok back rub. Very soon she poured oil in my ass crack and then fingered my asshole and my balls. I liked it, touched her legs, but she did not let my hands wander under her skirt.
Then turned over and she rubbed my chest a little bit and asked if I would tip her. For 200- she took off her clothes but left the panties on. She gave me a boob job, but would not suck me and also did not let me touch her pussy. She had perky little boobs, a nice skin, small erect nipples and worked fast to make me cum all over her breasts.
Afterwards, she continued with her massage. To my surprise she said after 90 minutes that I could get a free foot massage. So she showered me, washed me with soap and then dried me off.
I was sent to another room and a guy came in who gave me a fantastic foot massage. He was really good, then for an extra 15 Yuan he gave me a pedicure- fantastic! He cut my toe nails with a knife- I have never had such nice toe nails in my life! And at the end I got a back massage. He was much better, much stronger and really good at massaging.
So all in all I paid 228 to the salon for 90 min oil massage, plus 1 hour foot massage plus pedicure.
The girl took 200 bucks tip for the tit massage but I don't think it was worth it. For that kind of money you can get 30 min / one shot in Singapore with a thai girl.
All in all though, for about 50 Euros, I got an excellent pampering for almost three hours- so I left a happy man!
Cheers Fred from Switzerland.
PS: When I came back to my hotel, a guy hustled me for a girl Y600- for 1 hrs in my hotel room. I declined!
MightyWind2
05-09-13, 21:09
Couple recent tidbits / price checks from Jinqiao and Pudong:
BBSs:
Jinqiao BBSs
Went to check out some Jinqiao BBSs lately to see if things have changed. I haven't gone much since my two regulars moved away from Yinshan Lu.
The four BBs on Yinshan Lu (between Yunshan Lu and Zaozhuang Lu) have not really changed much. The girls there are a bit older overall but recently there are a couple fresher girls who are passable. Banged one of them and will try to be a repeat customer of hers since her attitude is good. Overall the girls on this street are not as good looking as a few blocks over on Yintai Lu (Yintai Lu & Yunshan Lu) , but I still find their attitude and willingness to please much better. A couple of the older girls on this street do anal, but you need to get to know them first, and price is 300rmb with the anal (can prob haggle 200rmb if you pushed it after you get to know them).
Over on Jintai Lu, the girls in the three or four BBSs are on average much younger and prettier that the Yinshan Lu ones. However, I tested out two shops over the last couple weeks and it is much more 'business' over on this street. On Yinshan I still feel it's easier to get a GFE, which I enjoy. Also, one of the girls on Jintai would only do covered BJ – I prefer uncovered. Again, YMMV with each particular girl, but that has been my experience.
Asking prices on both streets are 150FS. 200 FS+BJ (some girls on Jintai may only do covered).
Eshan Lu BBSs
Hopped over to Eshan Lu to take a look and tried out the BBS toward the west end of the street behind the small tree grove. A few of the girls were not bad, but they are price gouging now as far as I can tell. The girl wouldn't budge on FS for 200rmb and FS with BJ for 300rmb. I do bargain hard and often get my way or just walk, but I think it was clear that I wanted to fuck her (she's my type) so I do what I usually advocate against and caved. My second mistake was not asking about the BJ, because she would only do covered. Ugg. Then, after the covered BJ, she switched out a new wrapper for the FS – wow. So at least she is waaaaaay more safety conscious then most of the other BBS girls I've met the past couple of years. Anyone else with more recent experience on this street? I have a feeling the whole street is opening at 300rmb now if you are not an old customer. Sorry I got weak and didn't go through on my threat to walk out and find if they will budge to 200 at threat of losing a sale for everyone.
Legit Japanese Onsen / Bathhouse in Jinqiao
Ok, so this isn't a hanky panky and is legit (co-ed and families) , but it's a gem so wanted to share with you fellas.
A new Japanese-managed onsen / bathhouse has opened in Jinqiao: Here's a recent article about it – it's the first one called Gokurakuyu: (nope I'm not affiliated)
http://www.smartshanghai.com/articles/wellbeing/wellbeing-bathhouses
It's super clean the service staff are really friendly. They opened in February so it's very clean (just about Japan standard (hey we in CN, so not fair to compare). As in the article you go in, and there is a bath area (separated between men and women) with various hot spring pools and sauna rooms. After you are done with the hot spring area, you change into the issued robes / shorts and then you can go to the common rest area. The rest area has a café, restaurant, more hot rock sauna rooms, a big rest area like Macau saunas, and a spa.
This place is super relaxing and my new routine when I have time is to hit up one of the nearby BBSs (Yinshan Lu and Jintai Lu are withint 5 minutes driving) and then go over to the bathhouse and just relax – clean up, shower, shave, etc. They have a good foot massage service (haven't tried the full body) and in the men's hot spring area, you can also get a full body scrub down and salt scrub. Unfortunately it's not like a Macau sauna where a busty viet girl does it, but it's a Chinese guy who will do it if you are ok with that. I highly highly highly recommend this place. Entrance is 128 for full day use, and anything extra (food, drinks, massages, scrubs) is charged to your wristband where you pay on the way out. I love this place and got their VIP card.
Pudong HE Massage Places
Here's some recent places I've tried:
AVOID: My Spa (Jinqiao – Corner of Mingyue Lu & Baihua Lu)
So the only reason I first started going to this place was because a girl who I was a regular of transferred to work there. Got the VIP card and all. Unfortunately she left, so the times I've been back was to use up the remainder of the VIP card. In fairness I will say the place is very clean, the manager helpful (I left my phone once and they held it for me) , and the girls are overall young and cute. Another bonus is you can bone some of the girls in shop, but you would need to get to know them and it will cost you an arm and a leg.
The big turnoff of this place is the sales pressure the girls put on to sell you a VIP card and also their expectation for tips. Both times I went back after my girl left, (different girls) pulled long faces when I told them all they would get would be a 200 & 300 rmb tip (respectively due to length of massage and pops). Both girls pulled sob stories about normally getting 500-600 rmb tips (bullshit unless there are some real dumb fckers out there) and basically asking me why I was so cheap and I should be more generous. They also halfway through their massage began their high pressure VIP card sales pitch, straight away asking to charge 5000rmb to the VIP card for them. Again, I don't have a problem telling these type girls to go stick it, but it's still unpleasant and kills my mood. With one girl, I almost couldn't even get hard with my face between her tits, hand rubbing her through her panties and she fondling me, because of how much her sales pitch annoyed me. I have like over 1500 rmb left on the VIP card there and I'm basically like, fckit, sunk cost, don't even want to deal with it anymore – not worth going back for.
The girls here are money hungry diggers and I would really recommend mongers to avoid this place, unless you are rolling in dough and like to needlessly throw it around.
Lotus Massage – 15 Pujian Road, #13 (Corner of Pujian Lu & Pudong Ave)
The complex where this massage place is is in the southeast corner of the Pujian Road & Pudong Ave intersection. It's across the street from the Four Points Sheraton. The complex has a KFC, MT Club, and two or three massage places. It's next to a massage shop called Soft Massage (didn't try it).
Pretty standard service and price here. Massage and HE. My girl does BBBJ in the routine, but I have known her from a previous shop so YMMV. I usually give my girl 200rmb for 90 minutes / two pops) or 300rmb if I get an extra long session. Place is not that big, but overall clean and friendly – they don't gouge here (have had a couple of the other girls) , but they do try to upsell the VIP card – though not so forceful as to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off.
Another bonus of this place is that you can arrange outcall massage with the girls. The charge is 500rmb for one hour massage at your hotel – you can call the shop or the girl directly if you already know her. Anything else in the room (FS and price) is arranged between you and the girl.
Varied mix of girls here, some are cute, some are not to my taste.
Zhangjiang Town Massage Places
If you are ever way out in the sticks in the Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park, there are a ton of HE massage places in the Zhangjiang Town center – I counted 8-10. These are lined along Zhangjiang Road (south off of Longdong Ave) around Ziwei Road, and some off the side streets. These places are pretty local so you can get away with 100-200rmb tips for HE, and the massage prices are somewhat lower as well. Saw some cute girls here and there in the shops. Surprisingly there are no BBSs in Zhangjiang Town that I know of, but further into the park at the Shanghai Legend retail plaza at the Zhangjiang Metro Station there is a small sauna on the 3rd floor in the back humorously enough. If anyone knows of any BBSs in Zhangjiang, would love to hear about them for when business brings me out that way.
Hello Papp83:
I can't find Buddha massage on Google or Baidu? Is it a new MP on Changping Road?So its near the crossing of Changping Road and Shaanxi North Road. On the left side. There is a big buddha face at the entrance. Its not a new MP. Hope this will help you. I ll go back soon and take a pic of the place.
So its near the crossing of Changping Road and Shaanxi North Road. On the left side. There is a big buddha face at the entrance. Its not a new MP. Hope this will help you. I ll go back soon and take a pic of the place.Thanks, a pic and a Chinese name of this place will be ok.
Fritobugger
05-11-13, 06:51
Sweet white skinned and fairly large breasted babe. Good service. Nice oral skills. Nice face. Narrow waist / hips and a little flat in the ass. Flat stomach. I would repeat.
Thanks, a pic and a Chinese name of this place will be ok.In the north west side of changping lu, cross with shanxi bei. You can see the stone buddha hanging in the wall through the glass door without entering in the place. No mistake possible. There are two sets of 10 or so stairs going up to the main desk.
Number 5 (previously number 8) is a gem because of her AMAZING tits but its difficult to get more than a HJ (and all you can touch for a while) from her.
I tried recently the number 9. She knows some english but she always try to get tips for doing what its included in the price. Anyway she provides pretty nice BJ.
Any other girl suggestion there is welcome.
PS: I hate that this place is continuously changing the price, services and girls.
Thanks, MightyWind for the detailed and useful report.
For the Lotus Massage, I assume the RMB 200/300 you mentioned are tips on top of the standard massage fees? If so, may I ask how much was the massage itself?
Couple recent tidbits / price checks from Jinqiao and Pudong:
BBSs:
Jinqiao BBSs
Went to check out some Jinqiao BBSs lately to see if things have changed. I haven't gone much since my two regulars moved away from Yinshan Lu.
The four BBs on Yinshan Lu (between Yunshan Lu and Zaozhuang Lu) have not really changed much. The girls there are a bit older overall but recently there are a couple fresher girls who are passable. Banged one of them and will try to be a repeat customer of hers since her attitude is good. Overall the girls on this street are not as good looking as a few blocks over on Yintai Lu (Yintai Lu & Yunshan Lu) , but I still find their attitude and willingness to please much better. A couple of the older girls on this street do anal, but you need to get to know them first, and price is 300rmb with the anal (can prob haggle 200rmb if you pushed it after you get to know them).
Over on Jintai Lu, the girls in the three or four BBSs are on average much younger and prettier that the Yinshan Lu ones. However, I tested out two shops over the last couple weeks and it is much more 'business' over on this street. On Yinshan I still feel it's easier to get a GFE, which I enjoy. Also, one of the girls on Jintai would only do covered BJ – I prefer uncovered. Again, YMMV with each particular girl, but that has been my experience.
Asking prices on both streets are 150FS. 200 FS+BJ (some girls on Jintai may only do covered).
Eshan Lu BBSs
Hopped over to Eshan Lu to take a look and tried out the BBS toward the west end of the street behind the small tree grove. A few of the girls were not bad, but they are price gouging now as far as I can tell. The girl wouldn't budge on FS for 200rmb and FS with BJ for 300rmb. I do bargain hard and often get my way or just walk, but I think it was clear that I wanted to fuck her (she's my type) so I do what I usually advocate against and caved. My second mistake was not asking about the BJ, because she would only do covered. Ugg. Then, after the covered BJ, she switched out a new wrapper for the FS – wow. So at least she is waaaaaay more safety conscious then most of the other BBS girls I've met the past couple of years. Anyone else with more recent experience on this street? I have a feeling the whole street is opening at 300rmb now if you are not an old customer. Sorry I got weak and didn't go through on my threat to walk out and find if they will budge to 200 at threat of losing a sale for everyone.
Legit Japanese Onsen / Bathhouse in Jinqiao
Ok, so this isn't a hanky panky and is legit (co-ed and families) , but it's a gem so wanted to share with you fellas.
A new Japanese-managed onsen / bathhouse has opened in Jinqiao: Here's a recent article about it – it's the first one called Gokurakuyu: (nope I'm not affiliated)
http://www.smartshanghai.com/articles/wellbeing/wellbeing-bathhouses
It's super clean the service staff are really friendly. They opened in February so it's very clean (just about Japan standard (hey we in CN, so not fair to compare). As in the article you go in, and there is a bath area (separated between men and women) with various hot spring pools and sauna rooms. After you are done with the hot spring area, you change into the issued robes / shorts and then you can go to the common rest area. The rest area has a café, restaurant, more hot rock sauna rooms, a big rest area like Macau saunas, and a spa.
This place is super relaxing and my new routine when I have time is to hit up one of the nearby BBSs (Yinshan Lu and Jintai Lu are withint 5 minutes driving) and then go over to the bathhouse and just relax – clean up, shower, shave, etc. They have a good foot massage service (haven't tried the full body) and in the men's hot spring area, you can also get a full body scrub down and salt scrub. Unfortunately it's not like a Macau sauna where a busty viet girl does it, but it's a Chinese guy who will do it if you are ok with that. I highly highly highly recommend this place. Entrance is 128 for full day use, and anything extra (food, drinks, massages, scrubs) is charged to your wristband where you pay on the way out. I love this place and got their VIP card.
Pudong HE Massage Places
Here's some recent places I've tried:
AVOID: My Spa (Jinqiao – Corner of Mingyue Lu & Baihua Lu)
So the only reason I first started going to this place was because a girl who I was a regular of transferred to work there. Got the VIP card and all. Unfortunately she left, so the times I've been back was to use up the remainder of the VIP card. In fairness I will say the place is very clean, the manager helpful (I left my phone once and they held it for me) , and the girls are overall young and cute. Another bonus is you can bone some of the girls in shop, but you would need to get to know them and it will cost you an arm and a leg.
The big turnoff of this place is the sales pressure the girls put on to sell you a VIP card and also their expectation for tips. Both times I went back after my girl left, (different girls) pulled long faces when I told them all they would get would be a 200 & 300 rmb tip (respectively due to length of massage and pops). Both girls pulled sob stories about normally getting 500-600 rmb tips (bullshit unless there are some real dumb fckers out there) and basically asking me why I was so cheap and I should be more generous. They also halfway through their massage began their high pressure VIP card sales pitch, straight away asking to charge 5000rmb to the VIP card for them. Again, I don't have a problem telling these type girls to go stick it, but it's still unpleasant and kills my mood. With one girl, I almost couldn't even get hard with my face between her tits, hand rubbing her through her panties and she fondling me, because of how much her sales pitch annoyed me. I have like over 1500 rmb left on the VIP card there and I'm basically like, fckit, sunk cost, don't even want to deal with it anymore – not worth going back for.
The girls here are money hungry diggers and I would really recommend mongers to avoid this place, unless you are rolling in dough and like to needlessly throw it around.
Lotus Massage – 15 Pujian Road, #13 (Corner of Pujian Lu & Pudong Ave)
The complex where this massage place is is in the southeast corner of the Pujian Road & Pudong Ave intersection. It's across the street from the Four Points Sheraton. The complex has a KFC, MT Club, and two or three massage places. It's next to a massage shop called Soft Massage (didn't try it).
Pretty standard service and price here. Massage and HE. My girl does BBBJ in the routine, but I have known her from a previous shop so YMMV. I usually give my girl 200rmb for 90 minutes / two pops) or 300rmb if I get an extra long session. Place is not that big, but overall clean and friendly – they don't gouge here (have had a couple of the other girls) , but they do try to upsell the VIP card – though not so forceful as to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) you off.
Another bonus of this place is that you can arrange outcall massage with the girls. The charge is 500rmb for one hour massage at your hotel – you can call the shop or the girl directly if you already know her. Anything else in the room (FS and price) is arranged between you and the girl.
Varied mix of girls here, some are cute, some are not to my taste.
Zhangjiang Town Massage Places
If you are ever way out in the sticks in the Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park, there are a ton of HE massage places in the Zhangjiang Town center – I counted 8-10. These are lined along Zhangjiang Road (south off of Longdong Ave) around Ziwei Road, and some off the side streets. These places are pretty local so you can get away with 100-200rmb tips for HE, and the massage prices are somewhat lower as well. Saw some cute girls here and there in the shops. Surprisingly there are no BBSs in Zhangjiang Town that I know of, but further into the park at the Shanghai Legend retail plaza at the Zhangjiang Metro Station there is a small sauna on the 3rd floor in the back humorously enough. If anyone knows of any BBSs in Zhangjiang, would love to hear about them for when business brings me out that way.
Hi guys
Went twice to 999 for the first time.
First time got 824 but I'm not sure about the number. Good service, with the routine and french kissing, fingered, so a good experience.
This week end got 805, bad experience, do recommend 805, she really bad set of teeth, did not see it in the fishbowl. She is cleaning your dick during a couple of minutes; afraid of everything ask me to put a condom on finger if I want to finger her. Why not a condom on my mouth for a 69.
Other point, I like tall girl, but the fishbowl is at their advantages, next I will take more time to choose.
Finally after somme year in China, the experience is quite better in Germany. Compare to the price and the number of experience under the average in China. The sex industry follow the trend of China in general.
Chris Peterson
05-14-13, 03:16
Spent a month here 4 years ago. I know the info is a little old, but still want to give back to the forum as some members are wanting to see me give rathern than just take before they give me access to their knowledge.
I found the hotel to be a good value, I had a deal through Agoda for 40 dollars US per night and would call this place a 4 star. There seemed to be a lot of action in the street right behind the hotel. A handfull of BBS places and a few upscale saunas. I was on a budget so only did the BBS places and had hit or miss experiences, but found one super sexy light skinned petite but with ample boobs at one of these paces and she gave great full service. I repeated several times.
Also, whenever I walked in the hotel, there would be touts / pimps offering me girls, most of which were young and hot. For some reason I never took them up on their offer. In the hotel, I tried the sauna, went through the usual lockup my clothes in a locker, shower, robe, then sat down a dark room with plush leather chairs. I said I wanted to cut to the chase and get a massage. Only one girl showed up, and she looked fine, so I followed her to the room. She started giving me a regular massage (obviously she and the guy running the staff hadn't decided if I was just some regular guy looking for a massage at my hotel, or if I was there for some naughty business. I started to grope her and asked her to take off her clothes. She laughed a little and went straight to it. Decent full service. When I put my clothes back on, the manager gave me his business card and told me to call him if I wanted girls sent to my room. I never took him up on it. However, I noticed in the evenings there would be a girl in a blue dress with a hotel name card greeting people as they went to the elevator. She asked me if I'd like a massage in my room, I said sure, and she followed me to my room. When we got to the room, she wanted to do a HJ for like 600rmb. I was like no way, that's too expensive, for that price, she needs to take off her clothes and get buck wild. She kepy resisting saying "it's not a lot of money in your country". I kept saying, yes it is, and it's too much for a HJ. I bargained to her to to do the HJ with no clothes on. I got sick of arguing. She assured me she gave a very special HJ, so I sad fuck it, let's go. She did live up to her word, mainly by sticking her finger up my ass and expertly hitting the prostrate in just the right way and it made for a pretty intense climax. I wouldn't do it again at that price, but live and learn.
WandererShanghai
05-14-13, 16:35
I think I deleted my post earlier on accident.
Anyway, I'll be in shanghai for 24 hours on a long layover. Been reading the forum for a while, and had a few questions. I'll be there Friday night and head out on Saturday.
Is shuangmei sauna on wuyi road still open? I read earlier about a threesome there for about 800 rmb, but the post was from 2011 I think. Anyone been lately?
Also, I want to bring a girl home from manhattans or judy's Friday night for LT. Should I stay near jing'an or would I be able to cab back to the airport? Just trying to get the most out of my stay.
ThanksDid you finally found what you wanted? I am looking to find girls for a threesome since some time now, I want girl on girl action. If anybody has thoughts on the matter, it is most welcome.
MightyWind2
05-15-13, 05:04
Thanks, MightyWind for the detailed and useful report.
For the Lotus Massage, I assume the RMB 200/300 you mentioned are tips on top of the standard massage fees? If so, may I ask how much was the massage itself?Hi,
I have the VIP card there, so usually when I do 3 hours, it comes out to a little less than 500 rmb or so, so I think for regular price, it's probably something like 200 rmb for one hour. I will ask for you next time I go and give you the exact figure.
Hope this helps.
Shanghai Guide
05-15-13, 09:24
Did you finally found what you wanted? I am looking to find girls for a threesome since some time now, I want girl on girl action. If anybody has thoughts on the matter, it is most welcome.It is very hard to find a bi-sexual entertainment. If you go to a sauna club, every place will offer the two girls action, but they will not interact, you only pay a second girl to be bored while the first girl seduce you. Very often they even clean everything when they changed to blow. There is a little chance to find bisexual girls in the vietnam scene in Manhattan Club, but even all offer two on one service, only very less will touch each other, even before they will pretend to do. I found only one outcall escort girl who definitly also offer lesbian action in the threesome session.
Pm me if you want contact details.
Gregoryb.
It is very hard to find a bi-sexual entertainment. If you go to a sauna club, every place will offer the two girls action, but they will not interact, you only pay a second girl to be bored while the first girl seduce you. Very often they even clean everything when they changed to blow. There is a little chance to find bisexual girls in the vietnam scene in Manhattan Club, but even all offer two on one service, only very less will touch each other, even before they will pretend to do. I found only one outcall escort girl who definitly also offer lesbian action in the threesome session:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/cindy/
Pm me if you want contact details.
Gregoryb.I also concur-even with the KTV girls I frequent, it's normally one and then one. As I usually take a suite in the hotel, almost always one girl will stay in the second room while the deed is done with the 1st one and then they switch places, finally ending up in the same bed to sleep. Only once have I had two at the same time, but no girl on girl action. Both on me with DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and FS, but this cost me lot more $$$ than I would normally pay. Also the removing of one condom, cleaning, then putting on a new one, switching girls and even with these two at once, was kind of losing or killing the mood.
MrClen
Fritobugger
05-16-13, 04:48
I have managed to get some decent lesbian action but it took a lot of trial and error. I now have a pair at a shabby sauna that do a great show but I have to arrange it with them directly well before I go and during off peak hours.
Good luck or go to Germany.
It is very hard to find a bi-sexual entertainment. If you go to a sauna club, every place will offer the two girls action, but they will not interact, you only pay a second girl to be bored while the first girl seduce you. Very often they even clean everything when they changed to blow. There is a little chance to find bisexual girls in the vietnam scene in Manhattan Club, but even all offer two on one service, only very less will touch each other, even before they will pretend to do. I found only one outcall escort girl who definitly also offer lesbian action in the threesome session:
http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/cindy/
Did a turn at the Hong Song out by the Hilton Hongqiao. Was there at 4pm, waited for approx 45 seconds before being ushered to the fishbowl. Quite a site! Must have been 25-30. Best I've ever seen. Number 870 was there, number 21 was there. I was about to go with number 100 when I noticed perfect face number 897. I'm a sucker for the perfect face and this Chongqing spinner has that. Before you get too excited though-she's short and petite and the boobs are small. If you are a body guy, go with 870 or 100. As I said though, I am a sucker for a face. Also I realized that any chick in any lineup who is sitting down is most likely going to be on the short side.
Anyway, the young lass did a fine job especially for a 21 yr old who only recently started in the profession. After the wash down, BBBJCIM to kick things off. Then the massage. Then some mish. Then more BBBJ to another CIM. She's patience slow and sweet. We chatted. I asked her how much she made a month. 40, 000-50, 000RMB a month. Wow. Anyone else amazed by this? She plans to do it for a year then retire.
Time was up pretty quick and off I went. A well spent 980. It was excellent experience, but honestly I can do without the soapy. But it seems like all the real high end places have them though. If anyone has any suggestions for sauna that has an equal lineup without the soapy, I'd love to hear it.
WandererShanghai
05-16-13, 15:29
Pm me if you want contact details.
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WandererShanghai
05-16-13, 15:30
I have managed to get some decent lesbian action but it took a lot of trial and error. I now have a pair at a shabby sauna that do a great show but I have to arrange it with them directly well before I go and during off peak hours.
Good luck or go to Germany.Anything you dare to share?
Did a turn at the Hong Song out by the Hilton Hongqiao. Was there at 4pm, waited for approx 45 seconds before being ushered to the fishbowl. Quite a site! Must have been 25-30. Best I've ever seen. Number 870 was there, number 21 was there. I was about to go with number 100 when I noticed perfect face number 897. I'm a sucker for the perfect face and this Chongqing spinner has that. Before you get too excited though-she's short and petite and the boobs are small. If you are a body guy, go with 870 or 100. As I said though, I am a sucker for a face. Also I realized that any chick in any lineup who is sitting down is most likely going to be on the short side.
Anyway, the young lass did a fine job especially for a 21 yr old who only recently started in the profession. After the wash down, BBBJCIM to kick things off. Then the massage. Then some mish. Then more BBBJ to another CIM. She's patience slow and sweet. We chatted. I asked her how much she made a month. 40, 000-50, 000RMB a month. Wow. Anyone else amazed by this? She plans to do it for a year then retire.
Time was up pretty quick and off I went. A well spent 980. It was excellent experience, but honestly I can do without the soapy. But it seems like all the real high end places have them though. If anyone has any suggestions for sauna that has an equal lineup without the soapy, I'd love to hear it.That's really no wonder why they choose (key word "choose") , this profession. Assuming a 6 day week, they may take 3 to 5 (a guess on number of customers and what they make per customer) customers per day and end up with $100K USD in one year. After expenses they might be able to take home $50K-how long can you live on that in some parts of China? Problem as I see it is the girls may become accustomed to a more expensive and flashier lifestyle, and to support the "new" style, (and sometimes the boyfriend who is more than happy to help them spend the money) , they end up staying in the business far longer than they had planned.
Also, I know this doesn't bother some mongers, but I always have to wonder where I fall in their daily chain of servicing customers, and it is a bit off putting to know the girl you might like to DFK with just finished a few minutes ago doing BBBJCIM with who knows what! My POV only.
MrClen
Fritobugger
05-17-13, 02:00
I might be willing to arrange contact info directly and privately with Senior members that I already know but not on the open board. Really, my point was to show that full on bisexual threesomes are not normally a Chinese girl's thing even if they are professional working girls.
Thailand and Philippines are better choices but if you want it guaranteed then go to Germany.
Anything you dare to share?
WandererShanghai
05-17-13, 02:40
I might be willing to arrange contact info directly and privately with Senior members that I already know but not on the open board. Really, my point was to show that full on bisexual threesomes are not normally a Chinese girl's thing even if they are professional working girls.
Thailand and Philippines are better choices but if you want it guaranteed then go to Germany.I understand your point, thanks a lot to share your experience.
This is China. Do the math. I haven't found any girls who will fuck during their period. Knock off 7 days. Leaves 23 days a month to generate the 50, 000. 2173 a day. Maybe. Be careful what you believe when in China.
Spent a month here 4 years ago. I know the info is a little old, but still want to give back to the forum as some members are wanting to see me give rathern than just take before they give me access to their knowledge.
I found the hotel to be a good value, I had a deal through Agoda for 40 dollars US per night and would call this place a 4 star. There seemed to be a lot of action in the street right behind the hotel. A handfull of BBS places and a few upscale saunas. I was on a budget so only did the BBS places and had hit or miss experiences, but found one super sexy light skinned petite but with ample boobs at one of these paces and she gave great full service. I repeated several times.
Also, whenever I walked in the hotel, there would be touts / pimps offering me girls, most of which were young and hot. For some reason I never took them up on their offer. In the hotel, I tried the sauna, went through the usual lockup my clothes in a locker, shower, robe, then sat down a dark room with plush leather chairs. I said I wanted to cut to the chase and get a massage. Only one girl showed up, and she looked fine, so I followed her to the room. She started giving me a regular massage (obviously she and the guy running the staff hadn't decided if I was just some regular guy looking for a massage at my hotel, or if I was there for some naughty business. I started to grope her and asked her to take off her clothes. She laughed a little and went straight to it. Decent full service. When I put my clothes back on, the manager gave me his business card and told me to call him if I wanted girls sent to my room. I never took him up on it. However, I noticed in the evenings there would be a girl in a blue dress with a hotel name card greeting people as they went to the elevator. She asked me if I'd like a massage in my room, I said sure, and she followed me to my room. When we got to the room, she wanted to do a HJ for like 600rmb. I was like no way, that's too expensive, for that price, she needs to take off her clothes and get buck wild. She kepy resisting saying "it's not a lot of money in your country". I kept saying, yes it is, and it's too much for a HJ. I bargained to her to to do the HJ with no clothes on. I got sick of arguing. She assured me she gave a very special HJ, so I sad fuck it, let's go. She did live up to her word, mainly by sticking her finger up my ass and expertly hitting the prostrate in just the right way and it made for a pretty intense climax. I wouldn't do it again at that price, but live and learn.Hello could you please tell me more about thi hotel. Where it is locate in shanghai (street name). I can not find it in Shanghai through the hotel booking site of Shanghai.
Thanks
Hello could you please tell me more about thi hotel. Where it is locate in shanghai (street name). I can not find it in Shanghai through the hotel booking site of Shanghai.
ThanksThe hotel should be called Hengsheng Peninsula International.
Mighty Spearsman
05-17-13, 15:14
I have managed to get some decent lesbian action but it took a lot of trial and error. I now have a pair at a shabby sauna that do a great show but I have to arrange it with them directly well before I go and during off peak hours.
Good luck or go to Germany.Besides Germany, a closer possibility is Jakarta, Indonesia. While girl-on-girl action is also somewhat rare, it is possible. And, if you choose two girls, you'll almost always get a lively session where the two girls are both working on you at the same time. You certainly won't have a situation where one of the girls is passively sitting by bored or in another room.
Beijing4987
05-17-13, 17:09
Two hand job gals in the Jingan are tell me they are paid 5000 per month. One is hoping to get 10, 000 eventually. They live on site and work long hours, not going outside much. They imply that tips are rare as are laowei customers. Their shops charge 208 and 228 for oil massage. They could be telling me a lower figure to get sympathy and a higher tip.
From me.
BJ.
This is China. Do the math. I haven't found any girls who will fuck during their period. Knock off 7 days. Leaves 23 days a month to generate the 50, 000. 2173 a day. Maybe. Be careful what you believe when in China.[/QUOTE]
Two hand job gals in the Jingan are tell me they are paid 5000 per month. One is hoping to get 10, 000 eventually. They live on site and work long hours, not going outside much. They imply that tips are rare as are laowei customers. Their shops charge 208 and 228 for oil massage. They could be telling me a lower figure to get sympathy and a higher tip.
From me.
BJ.
This is China. Do the math. I haven't found any girls who will fuck during their period. Knock off 7 days. Leaves 23 days a month to generate the 50, 000. 2173 a day. Maybe. Be careful what you believe when in China.[/QUOTE]OK-I forgot the "RED" days. I guess they just have to do more on their good days. Still sounds like a lot of money though and she is really going to be well used by the end of her "year". But, I guess you really can't wear it out-stretch it a bit maybe, but not wear it out!
Member #4689
05-17-13, 18:16
This is China. Do the math. I haven't found any girls who will fuck during their period. Knock off 7 days. Leaves 23 days a month to generate the 50, 000. 2173 a day. Maybe. Be careful what you believe when in China.RMB 50, 000 is quite credible. Some of my regulars told me they get about 300 / client (excl. repeat bonus etc) and they serve about 7-10 per day. These girls are money machines during their prime when they work in popular saunas and are young etc. Problem is they can do it only for a while cause it is very tiring. Some girls use their time off to go shopping (Xujiahui is the usual place, even for Sacrosa girls who should have plenty of shops nearby) or travel to nearby places (Suzhou, Hangzhou). Their situation is a far cry from the BBS or SPA crowd, believe me. You do the math : the infamous English teachers make, what 10-20,000 ?
Member #4689
05-17-13, 18:20
Also, I know this doesn't bother some mongers, but I always have to wonder where I fall in their daily chain of servicing customers, and it is a bit off putting to know the girl you might like to DFK with just finished a few minutes ago doing BBBJCIM with who knows what! My POV only.
MrClenI have the same thought whenever I want to kiss the girl, but my concern is not so much BBBJCIM but the rimming part.
rmb 50, 000 is quite credible. some of my regulars told me they get about 300 / client (excl. repeat bonus etc) and they serve about 7-10 per day. these girls are money machines during their prime when they work in popular saunas and are young etc. problem is they can do it only for a while cause it is very tiring. some girls use their time off to go shopping (xujiahui is the usual place, even for sacrosa girls who should have plenty of shops nearby) or travel to nearby places (suzhou, hangzhou). their situation is a far cry from the bbs or spa crowd, believe me. you do the math : the infamous english teachers make, what 10-20,000 ?this also tells us what the places are bringing in! x girls x customers x entry fee x extras $$ = no wonder these places exist and thrive! and explains why they are not going to be shut down anytime in the near future, too many people are making too much money from them, above and beneath the table.
your other post: i don't know which would be worse, unless the girl was a rep001 eater-eeewwuh! i've not experienced rimming (at least not in a sauna) , so can't comment too much, but i understand that they clean and purify your nether regions before rimming. either way, either end, the thought turns me off. i personally do ktv girls mostly so my thought is that i could at least be the first for the day and maybe the first in several days. not a perfect thought or idea but it kind of clears the head and lets the little one do all the thinking and talking.
FernandoAlonso
05-18-13, 04:42
This is China. Do the math. I haven't found any girls who will fuck during their period. Knock off 7 days. Leaves 23 days a month to generate the 50, 000. 2173 a day. Maybe. Be careful what you believe when in China.50000 is rather on the high side and yes this is China so if one of the friends there in one month earned that much it becomes standard for all. This is China. LOL.
From my credible first hand experiences here is the math:
3 to 5 customers per day in average is possible and if they do not make it will cut loose any how. Typical daily range is 2 to 8, so the average fits. It used to be pretty standard 200 RMB per customer tat landed in the pockets of the girls, may have gone up a little now or in higher end places but I am not sure. They work at least 25 days a months, often they must proof to management they are really on the rag so this is more a minimum, usually they only take 2 to 4 days off (I know, better not think about it). They are in for the money, other than shopping not much use for spare time, you do not make too many friends while on this job other than a few colleagues.
So all in all 20 000 to 30 000 is a realistic figure in average. Superstars will get more, but as also said rightly before the more thye earn, the more they spend, so indeed it is not that easy get rich from it.
Hope that helps a little.
FA
50K RMB is on the high side. 30K is a more realistic figure which I have heard from various sauna ladies.
BangBangBang
05-18-13, 07:36
Go to Spring massage off Mao Ming Lu, $298 gets you a very pretty girl and what you seek in the end.
PC outWent twice to Spring massage, and was not able to get anything else than a miserable HJ. I used all my soft skills, fluent Chinese and incentives. Frustrating. Was offered to rub her tits for 100, get a boob-job for 300, nothing more. Just setting expectations that it would be quite hard and, in my opinion, wasted time / efforts, to insist for FS / BJ at that place. That said, maybe there are girls who perform better than others in that join? Mines were #31 and #32.
This is the place.
Thanks, a pic and a Chinese name of this place will be ok.
50000 is rather on the high side and yes this is China so if one of the friends there in one month earned that much it becomes standard for all. This is China. LOL.
From my credible first hand experiences here is the math:
3 to 5 customers per day in average is possible and if they do not make it will cut loose any how. Typical daily range is 2 to 8, so the average fits. It used to be pretty standard 200 RMB per customer tat landed in the pockets of the girls, may have gone up a little now or in higher end places but I am not sure. They work at least 25 days a months, often they must proof to management they are really on the rag so this is more a minimum, usually they only take 2 to 4 days off (I know, better not think about it). They are in for the money, other than shopping not much use for spare time, you do not make too many friends while on this job other than a few colleagues.
So all in all 20 000 to 30 000 is a realistic figure in average. Superstars will get more, but as also said rightly before the more thye earn, the more they spend, so indeed it is not that easy get rich from it.
Hope that helps a little.
FAOK, off the money numbers for just a bit and on to some personal views. We all know that women are capable of multiple sessions per day and multiple orgasms. However, after 5 men per day for days on end, I just don't see how they can have any passion and it just becomes a mechanical act with a few fake moans to keep us interested. The mongers that say (brag?) she came three times, she was so hot, really wet (think lube) , into it, wanted me, etc, etc, May have delusions of grandeur and of their own prowess as stud of the hour (maybe two hour, after all it's a Sauna!). For me, (and this only my personal POV) , the only worthwhile experience, other than if you just have to get off, is a LT girl where perhaps and just maybe, you might brew a little chemistry with her. At least, for me, I can fool myself enough to where I don't feel that I am the next in line (yes, I know, it will still be a line, but at least not a waiting line). The idea that "my favorite girl was busy with another customer" and I had to wait for her to finish with his BBBJCIM, Rimming, FS, etc, so she can do me next, doesn't sound very exciting.
I have the same thought whenever I want to kiss the girl, but my concern is not so much BBBJCIM but the rimming part.You have to face the fact that you are drinking from the toilet anyway. What I focus on is the industrial grade solvents they use to clean themselves between clients with. Some of it even tastes good.
I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt that they have properly cleaned themselves.
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