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There are nice and asshole expats here, and nice and asshole mongers, and even mongers that are nice sometimes and assholes other times. The reasons why are vast and not at all interesting - at least not to someone who signed up for a forum that purports to be about men seeking women for sex!!
As to the myth of BSD's ruining the market, besides that it's at very best a specious argument, if it were actually true then it would be pointless and actually counterproductive to attempt to castigate BSD's here since doing so simply provides reason for BSD's to actually WANT to spend more since it would ensure better selection. The abundantly clear reality however is that there is more than enough P4P here at all pricing levels.
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Case in points:
- There are probably more BBS's and cheap massage girls than a person who lives here and mongers 5 nights per week could ever hit. Cost less than 500RMB (often much less...as low as 100 RMB in some cases). These prices haven't changed in years.
- At many Chinese KTV's the girls' fees for going home are 2000 RMB to 5000 RMB, and the market is 99%+ Chinese (and people who don't use this forum). These prices haven't changed in years.
- Craig's list has several options for FS for 500 to 800 RMB. These prices haven't changed in years. There are also now more expensive options, presumably to service the BSD's, exemplifying how a market actually works.
- Bar girls (FL's) are still charging roughly the same prices as 5 years ago. Granted there are some who now negotiate harder or walk away from lower offers, and also finding cheaper girls may require some changing of venues and/or a bit more work than before, but there's still a plethora - no, make that vast majority (and also maybe still equal in total number) - of FL's whose prices equivalent to what we were paying here 5+ years ago.
- Prices at saunas haven't changed in years
Point is, for every one anecdotal evidence some whiny monger can point to about not getting a stunner on demand for 100RMB or losing out to a girl holding out for a BSD and thereby concluding that the market is getting ruined, there are 1000's of girls in that same guy's price range. And once again, if a BSD is able or willing to pay a few hundred (or even thousand) more for the girl of his choice then that's actually his prerogative.
Moreover, the market gets ruined by crackdowns which take out thousands of girls in a day or week or month, not by BSD's or assholes which may or may not have impact on expectations of a few girls, one-by-one, over a long period of time.
Let's put an end to this pointless debate once and for all and get back on subject.
Beijing Fox
04-25-09, 16:12
With all that shit ongoing at Peacock, I decided to visit Tertiary today. I hadn't been there for a couple of months.
It turned out a mistake. Not that I was molested by the police, but the girl (Number 108) really sucked (unfortunately not my dick).
Looks were at the lower range of 10 and she had absolut no massage skills. She just grabbed and squeezed pieces of my flesh here and there. And even that she did in a haste and with a bad attitude.
The HJ was delivered in the same fashion, and she pulled so hard on my meat that I cried out in pain 2-3 times :-(.
I know, the girls at Tertiary are never really beauties, but avoid 108, if you're not a masochist.
Vista Sushi
04-25-09, 16:23
Dropped by 999 today and had 852. I know there has been a lot of questions about certain establishments being open. And, I can confirm that 999 is up to date on their protection money as of 4/25.
Usual drill. Disrobe, shower. A guy hits you up for a scrub, but denied and went straight to the drying off and sauna garb area. Ushered up the stairs and straight into the fishbowl. Sometimes I have waited, but today there was no delay. Wow. There was at least 20 girls in there. I wanted to go petite this time so I chose 852. She was giving good eye contact, so I took that as a positive. Interesting thing happened this time. I had to tell them the number in Chinese. He must not understand my accent.
Up the stairs I go and she takes my arm and we go to the room. There is the usual awkward preparations. She takes off her garments, helps me off with mine. She gives the obligatory comment about having chest hair. Happens every time.
We have the soapy session, which was good enough. She checked all the boxes. Usual breast and booty rub with soap. Very nice. Next off to the room. This is also the usual drill. The bright spots of her performance were the AR and red rope. It was perhaps one of the best AR I’ve had, and I’m not into it. So, if you are into that remember her number.
She also was my first time with the red rope at 999. I’m guessing because she is petite. My theory is (because I usually go for tall) that petite girls only do red rope. For those unfamiliar she basically uses the ropes to flip upside down and performs a BBBJ. She uses the ropes to spin around and essentially torque your little man. It was nice.
Other than that. Nothing too spectacular. No DATY, DFK. For positions she started with cowgirl and went reverse cowgirl. I finished doggie by request.
Summary of 852
Breasts: 6
Body: 7
Face: 8
Attitude: 7
GFE: 5
Repeat: No
Recommend: Only if you want a red-rope experience at 999
Vista Sushi
04-25-09, 16:46
Soho. Zai na li? Do post the locations of places you visit. Is it the place on Sinan Lu?
It's on Hengshan Lu more or less across the street from Zapatas/Sashas.
Blacklisted
04-25-09, 17:08
It's on Hengshan Lu more or less across the street from Zapatas/Sashas.
Second person I have heard mention Soho is worth a look...
World Guy Sh
04-25-09, 19:19
I was one of the unlucky buggers who was there during the big raid a few weeks ago on a Friday night about 6:30. I walked in and they showed me a menu with all the original stuff blocked out. Was led downstairs and one of the guys led me to the first room on the right, as I was walking in the room 3 cops were in there. WTF? ! Anyway, one of the cops just screamed at me and told me to get out. I left and walked our rather briskly.
First off, I didn't freak out totally. But I'd say it was 6 on the nervous scale from 1-10. Secondly, thanks to the Peacock management for using me as phoney 'bait'. Thirdly, based on that. I will never go back to Peacock again. And finally, I'm glad I didn't leave work early as planned, as I probably would have been caught with my hard rod up in vertical mode and my fingers in some chicks ****. And detained.
Some good things coming out of all this is that I've been exploring and finding more 'legit' places that have most girls who give an oily hand. One place I found last night is 'Baihui Massage' at #376-1 Nandang Lu (second floor. Says 'Massage' on huge signage), just a left turn coming out of the Hengshen Lu tunnel that becomes Cao Xi lu. Downside is the girls arent the prettiest, and the environment aint the most posh but if you want a quick and dirty HR. Maybe worth the trip. Ask for #7 from An Hui. She'll try to 'stiff' you for 200 tip, but don't buy into that. I payed 128 for 1 hour oil massge, and tipped 100 for a decent HJ and some titty sucking.
Another quick and dirty place is right down from Tertiary on Shaan Xi Lu. Walk away from Zhao Jia Bang Lu towards Jian Guo Lu. Its in the middle of that cluster of beauty salons. Forget the exact name but they advertise as an 'Australian Massage' place. Somewhat green signage. Ask for the 'for men only' oil massage. I think it's like 228 rmb (yes a bit steep). First few times there I get a nice oil rub and ass massage. I was able to get an HR from 3 girls (#10, #12, and the other I forgot). Most interesting thing is that I did not give a tip, nor was I haggled for one. Again, girls are not the prettiest. But sans tip was OK for that time. Lately I've struck out as I was denied an HJ. Since then I have stopped going.
I hope more guys post info on these little places. Its my forte, too chicken to go to any saunas and such.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.No, you would not have been caught. They are well rehearsed for this. When the police turn up, someone is hitting a button hard and the lights flash. On, off, on, off, like some kind of disco. The girls know exactly what they are doing. Out come the jarmies, open up the window and straight into a legit massage. Quite firmly told, keep the head down (both) and just play along.
As Xiang Shen Plod comes in. "Ta bu ting bu dong" somes into play. Carry on seems to be the answer. And she did. Once the all clear had been given.
Were my feathers ruffled? Oh yes. But less so due to the efficiency of the 'additional' service.
BUT be careful and ensure you have suitable ID. Just in case.
WGS
World Guy Sh
04-25-09, 19:23
Second person I have heard mention Soho is worth a look.Yeah, I think it is. And that is dark. Like the black hole of Calcutta. If it is that makes three places in town with the name SoHo. Sinan Lu, Hengshan Lu and XTD.
Which feels a tad big to be an area like New York or London. Damn the beer is kicking in.
Seems like some exploring is required. Anyone up for it over the next two-three weeks. Or months?
WGS
Seems the Economic Crisis will get worse and worse.
So many girls will be out of work.
Golly Woggle
04-25-09, 20:17
As promised, I've searched out some of those great places I was directed to by this site a year ago. So far, some disappointment but also some familiar satisfaction.
First, the 'Yanping Lu' location no longer exists (see my old report plus those by Bloom for the actual directions). I checked the 4th floor and even the 5th floor but both are now some sort of marketing company? There is a massage joint on the 3F which at first glance appeared to be a 'legit' place. Not sure. My gut said to move on so I did. I may just go back and try it out. Hey, if it turns out to be a legit place I'll just enjoy a real massage instead. I'll report back.
Next. The 'ole '6F' location near Jingan Temple. Again, look at my old reports for the location details. After the Yanping Lu disappointment I was expecting to find 6F gone as well. But. Hehe. It's still there! Guy at the elevator entrance outside calls up the have the elevator sent down. It appears to be some sort of security screening mechanism which I didn't notice last year. At first he didn't notice me and I tried to get the elevator to work. But nothing. After he calls up, *ting! * the elevator lights up. Up stairs it appears they have rearranged the place a bit. And it's now run like a 'soapy'. Well, I'm assuming this is what it is. I've never been to a 'soapy' before so I can't compare. Anyway, at first I was a little confused. I was led to my locker, changed and instead of given a towel I was given my 'uniform' and quickly led through the maze and downstairs to a waiting room of girls. Lots of them! Wow. I picked #82 who has a wicked set and an equally wicked look in her eyes. She escorted me off through another maze and to our room. Aaah. A room with ajoining shower. Ok, I figured no shower before just meant I'm doing it here in the room. 82 asked me to wait a bit and I asked to take a shower. Which confused her a bit but she indicated sure go ahead. So I did. When she returned she was a bit surprised that I had showered and asked if I wanted to take one with her together. Uh. I was confused. But obviously wasn't going to refuse showering with the hot little number. Again some confusion that turned into something awesome. She undressed and each time we made eye contact she flashed those wicked eyes and made the sexiest motion with her mouth and. Oh my god. The longest tongue I've seen LOL. She started to do this little dirty dance in front of me. I guessed. Uh. No shower? Haha. We started touching and rubbing and I quickly noticed she was soaking 'wet'. As digits began to play she lifted her leg onto the bed so I could have easier access. Yikes this was one horny number. Eventually I led her down onto the bed and gave her a well received round of daty. Yummy! After a while of that she asks if I wanted to make love to her. Uh. Ok! So out popped the condom and off we went to round one of fucking! Various positions followed and lots of vocal performance. Before I popped I tried to make the international sign for CIM which led us into confusion again haha. But nothing bad. She led me to the shower room, sat me down and a stool with an open slot down the middle and preceded to shower and caress my. Down there. Followed by an amazing BBBJ. No CIM but a nice HJ finish. After she gave me a full shower-down we returned to the bed. And THEN started the session. Haha. Ok so maybe we did things a little backwards. What followed was all the pre-sex catbath etc. She then asks if I wanted to have two girls. Uh. I hesitated and said maybe next time (dang I should have gone for two. But I will next time! ). She was cool with that and continued on. Then she asked if I wanted make love again. Hehe. When I said yes. She was surprised but happy. This led to more foreplay and another round of daty which got her writhing in joy haha. My little friend still needed some help for round two so off to the BBBJ races we went again. And eventually we were marathon fucking in various very loud positions. I have to keep my head from growing too big, but she gave me the 'thumbs up' after practically drilling her into the bed on round two. After another sweat cleansing shower we left the room steaming hot. Apparently we went a little over-time since the phone rang as we getting dressed. What followed was a bit more confusion. Haha! She led me out as normally done. I wandered back up stairs glancing back several times to see her wicked eyes sending me a farewell flash. I was then led to a small room. Basically the room I remember from last year that I was taken to to wait to be led to the line up of girls. I was presented with a menu that I obviously couldn't read since it's all in Chinese. I was being asked if I wanted a drink. Some soup. Basically it was dinner time. I mentioned I was ok and not interested. The attendant left and I sat there for a while. Eventually another couple of attendants shows up and look surprised that I'm there. I'm asked if I want a pedicure or a foot massage. I politely refuse and they leave. A while longer still. And one of the attendants returns and asks again. Do I want a foot massage. Again I politely refuse. Haha. Then I wait alone again! This time no one returns and I get the feeling they've forgotten about me. So I start wandering outside until I bump into the original attendant that had led me to the girls at the start. He asks if I want my clothes. I say. Uh yes. And I'm led back to my locker. No big deal but it was a little odd. Everyone was really friendly. I just don't know where they all went to LOL. Anyway, at the end of all this I had had a great 90 minute session plus another 30+minute relaxing. Uh. Wait. The total price was only 650! It appears the prices here haven't gone up. I'm guessing the 2 girl option may still be 880. I will definitely go back and find out before I leave Shanghai.
Anyway, I noticed that both the Yanping Lu and 6F location had not been reviewed in almost a year. So here you go.
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Sixty Cent
04-25-09, 23:45
Hmmm. Just texted my lovely at sacrosa, she told me she is not working these days, has that thing now also affected this place? Anybody knows what is going on, Shanghai Motor Show and May holiday should not have that large impact, or am I wrong?
FAIt is just the begining, they are getting prepared for the 2010 expo, so places are going to close 1 by 1, slowly but surely.
Some places will only be Chinese friendly like Sacrosa during the olympics in beijing
Vista Sushi
04-26-09, 03:23
BUT be careful and ensure you have suitable ID. Just in case.
What passes for suitable ID in your experience? Do they march you down to the lockers to get your ID out?
Now, my big question is how 999 can justify (not that they ever get raided) the soapy room and the one-purpose bed they got.
Vista Sushi
04-26-09, 03:31
Yeah, I think it is. And that is dark. Like the black hole of Calcutta. If it [i]is[/[i] that makes three places in town with the name SoHo. Sinan Lu, Hengshan Lu and XTD.
Seems like some exploring is required. Anyone up for it over the next two-three weeks. Or months?
WGS
It may be a chain of clubs. The Hengshan Lu location is rather large and has a nice outside seating area. There were all sorts of nice cars parked out front (BMW, Porsche, Audi, etc.). Seems promising. There were a lot of girls walking around alone on the street.
Globe Spinner
04-27-09, 03:17
Gentlemen. Watch out for Gina on CL. It wasn't any surprise that she wasn't the girl in the picture, but she upsells, gives crappy VERY rushed service. Looks = 6, Attitude = 0, Service = 1. Repeat? Not if she was the last WG in Shanghai.
Hi guys,
my gf is filipina and she told me that a tong ren lu filipina killed a regular -english- customer (she pretended him to be her "boyfriend") when he discovered that she was steeling his money last week. According to the rumours the girl has been arrested.
Does anyone know about this story?
Shamuc
arrived back in shanghai on wednesday 15th, first time since last september and ever eager to sample its delights and descend into a world of debauchery and filth. i see the skirts are getting shorter and the shorts tighter, god i love this place, it runs on testosterone.
having continued to rtff while back in uk, thought i would try a nice massage (with he) and ventured to the recommended garden house, 191 nandan road (just past caoxi rd – heading west rh side). all the girls in incredibly short skirts and are very attractive. no fishtank but i doubt they employ any ugly ones, certainly mine was a beautiful young girl, tall with a lithe body, definitely an 8. the 228rmb massage was great, particularly where she props your legs up on her thighs as she straddles the massage table. this is so that she can get good access to the important parts. when she flipped me and continued to play with and make admiring remarks about my cock i started pushing my hand between her legs. when i asked her to take off her pants the inevitable response – tip? she asked for 400. in hindsight i rather stupidly settled on 200 (waaay over the top, sorry fellow mongers) but the climax was indeed happy and her pussy was very wet. afterwards i was taken to another room where a different girl gave about 40min foot massage. i decided to end the first day back by calling sunny, plump little girl from woodstock bar, who i had got to know (and fuck) last september. she came over to the hotel and spent a couple of hours. strangely unfulfilling despite doing all the usual. gave her 500rmb and made mental note to cut & run by telling her i was going to be out of town for most of this trip – partially true.
not coming to shanghai all that often i decided not to repeat too many previous experiences on this trip and fancied trying bbs. wuzhong road, heading west there’s shop after shop on both sides with eager looking girls in the window. having read a previous report i tried the first one on the right hand side. got a nice girl in a small cubicle for 200rmb. full strip, perfunctory massage and asked if friend could join us for extra 100. have to say it was the easiest 100 the friend has ever made. i sucked on her tits while the other one gave a tit wank. after the finish there was no rush as they cleaned me up and chatted. interesting but doubt i’ll repeat.
got back into shanghai from zhengzhou (zilch) on friday night and ventured down to malones. rocking band and sat on the balcony area next to a tall attractive girl named ana from heilongjiang, which is about as far north as you can go in china. she was with a male and female couple. got talking about her work (in a shoe shop) and her friends drifted off. towards 1. 30am she was making it plain she wanted to extend the evening so i suggested my hotel. so the freelancer hit came, 1500rmb. we got down to 800 and retired back to the mandarin. i got down to some serious daty and was rewarded with a flood. we fucked for a long time before she asked if i wanted her to make me cum with her mouth. this was a seriously great bbbj and i matched her orgasm. after a second round she departed leaving her number and asking me to call her.
saturday night spent drinking and watching arsenal v chelsea in the big bamboo bar behind the ritz-carlton. by 2. 00am i was feeling pretty damn good and so ventured down tongren lu, in and out of a couple more bars before entering the manhattan. it was too much, head swirling, music loud so i fell out into the night, picked up a well racked street girl i think i saw last trip. back to the hotel 200rmb quoted. i fucked her, she gave me head, i fell asleep she robbed me – about 1000rmb + 500 of mini-bar contents. lesson learned don’t pick up a girl when you’re cattle trucked. on the sunday at about 11. 00am a girl from the bar in nanyang lu, across from big bamboo which i’d been in earlier on saturday rang me and asked if she could come to me. what the fuck, not here every week and bad experience last night. vicky, shapely girl from hunan arrived. i was till in bed so she joined me and that’s were we spent the day until midnight aside from 2 trips out for food. cost 1000rmb not bad for multiple shags, bbbj, daty.
i was away from shanghai on monday and returned late on wednesday, and thought i give manhattan another try. still busy, still loud but at least this time i was sober. had a few beers talked to and groped a few girls – chinese and filipino. i’d decided on a really foxy, young filipino babe named juliana and was standing drinking with my hand up her incredibly short dress on her pert ass. she wandered off for [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and i was touched up by irene. irene is a big, black kenyan broad. i am talking big. i could have parked my bottle of beer on that ass and a body that was lived in – probably not the usual form for you mongers. well back in the uk the only wg’s i go with are black so at 800rmb who could resist? as we walked back to my hotel i asked if she had condoms and she replied only one and we need at least three! so we called in at the small shop in trl where she bought a pack of 12, she left my hotel at 6. 30 next morning having sucked me dry, anally fucking her as well straight sex in every position. this was sex that was down & dirty.
thursday, last day before flying back. after a lie-in, went for a walk a strolled down by the hilton. opposite the shanghai hotel there’s a "hole in the wall" bar called jams, the door was open as i walked past so i called in for a beer. laurel the owner was the only person in there so we chatted and i bought her a beer. she told me that in the evening she has 4 girls working there. i told her i had come to shanghai to fuck my brains out which she thought hilarious! to cut a long story short we eventually ended up with the door closed my cock in her hand and dfk’n each others faces off. a most pleasant interlude, must get back there one evening next trip. a quick massage on the way back at the place opposite the hilton – 150 for 60 mins + 100 for he from a cute girl called wang mai, she’d started at 800 for "special massage" so when i showed her i had only 250 on me she carried on anyway. final evening and a raunchy session with a cute little bar girl in casablanca bar in tongren lu. after a drink and dfk at the bar we moved to a private booth with curtains where she took off her top and mini skirt revealing the flimsiest thong. a delightful session of fingering her as she unfastened my pants and she even stood on the seat and pushed her pussy into my face for daty. the draft beer cost 20rmb a pint her drinks 50 so a relatively cheap session although it went no further as i had to be up at 5. 00am next morning.
so a mixed experience never got time to revisit saracosa which i had intended, got ripped off, over paid in the first massage place but enjoyed a pretty debauched few days, ah well, life’s rich tapestry. see you whenever sh.
White Dragon
04-27-09, 10:31
Visited JJ's today at lunch. Really nice place with unique well furnished rooms. Easy to find, nice attendants and quick service. On Monday at 1pm I was the only one there which was great because my last caper at 999 left me behind 5 Chinese guys who fished out all the good girls ahead of me.
The fishbowl is cool with a very slow curtain that draws to reveal 10-15 gorgeous sets of legs wrapped in red/orange mini's and white silk blouses above. All the girls looked good. I chose 55 which turned out a mistake. The clothes they wear do make it harder to judge 'boob dynamics'. That aside it was her performance and attitude that was lack lustre. Too many questions 'are you too cold? ', 'are you feeling happy? ' and too much time tuning the shower nozzle like it was a guitar. It was very stop start.
Despite her small but soft breasts I'll admit she performed a decent soapland after a coldish shower scrub-down. AR was about 10 sec's and BBBJ consisted of animal sounds and grunts. I guess we were running out of time having spent 45min on the shower nozzle and doing her hair band so sex was fairly ordinary. She just lay there and was like a stubborn mule trying to manouvre into various positions. She wouldn't do reverse cowgirl as I was 'too big'. Shot my seeds in the bag and was keen to get out. Another barrage of 'are you happy? ', 'are you too cold? Too warm? '. I didn't even bother saying anything. I was past the point of no return.
Ahhhhhh. I escape back to the lockers, mint basket and street outside. Damage as advertised 880rmb. Expensive but nice place.
I can't really recommend 55 and not even sure why I chose her but sauna's can be a lottery and it is fun to experiment. I do recommend the establishment though and I enjoyed the ease with which I could slip in and out. Plus those funky rooms! Hopefully next time I'll choose a better honey.
Adventurous Abc
04-27-09, 14:49
I did relay the message, and the girl and 'boyfriend' were duly admitted to the designated university.
CGWow, this is the holy grail all Asian parents seek. How high up the admissions ladder does one need to be connected to receive this sort of special treatment?
Strollmonger
04-27-09, 23:02
You know, I have to ask a stupid question. I have RTFF for some time now and have never heard anything about STD's in China. I mean, how does it compare here to the US? Here, you got to double wrap it and still hope that you are OK. When I search the internet, all I find are a bunch of statistics that say the rates of STD's in China are going up. But what does it all mean from a mongers perspective? Are the girls at 999 tested? What are the risks? If any experienced monger can give me the low down, it would be appreciated.
SM
Clean Gene
04-28-09, 07:07
Wow, this is the holy grail all Asian parents seek. How high up the admissions ladder does one need to be connected to receive this sort of special treatment?
Sorry, Adverturous, I haven't the faintest. Somebody else handled it. For the ones which I personally handled: I would ask them to take the required exams, and then suggest a suitable school. Sometimes I'd suggest an ESL program (in which case the VISA application would be the hurdle).
The best story I've heard was of a daughter of an acquaintance who was met at LAX by the University's Dean of Students (but I had nothing to do with it).
CG
Globe Spinner
04-28-09, 12:27
simply had to give sh another chance. hit 2f at 4pm. usual help undressing, hit the shower, declined the back scrape and pedicure, rested for about five minutes in the tv room, then was taken to the lineup. of seven girls, three were making good eye contact, but one spinner, number 3, was grinning ear-to-ear. having rtffed and taken note of the sage advice offered by the seasoned veterans of this esteemed community, i decided to go with the one that wanted the job. great choice. titty bath followed by cat bath evolved into an amazing thirty minutes of bbbj intermixed with ar. next it was down between my legs and dt until i thought for sure she was getting the load right there. timing is everything. on with the slicker and that cow girl mounted right up. needless to say, i soon shot my shot. expecting a quick out-the-door, i was surprised when she massaged me for another fifteen minutes until the time was well up damage: usual rmb650. skill and attitude 9. 5-10. repeat? you bet, asap.
SE Asia Joe
04-29-09, 10:05
You know, I have to ask a stupid question. I have RTFF for some time now and have never heard anything about STD's in China. I mean, how does it compare here to the US? Here, you got to double wrap it and still hope that you are OK. When I search the internet, all I find are a bunch of statistics that say the rates of STD's in China are going up. But what does it all mean from a mongers perspective? Are the girls at 999 tested? What are the risks? If any experienced monger can give me the low down, it would be appreciated.
SM
Welllll.... you said what kind of question it is!!
OK OK - just had to get that one in - but since you asked - I....and I would think most other "experienced" (so to call) mongers, would advise you to ALWAYS keep VERY safe.
How does it compare to....?? Now how could anybody answer that?? I mean - all it take is one infected gal and there goes all the comparisons, statistics etc out the window. Just keep it all safe my friend.
Girls at 999 - in China "Tested????" come on - prostitution is illegal in china - so how/who would insist they get tested???!!! And even if they are tested - these gals can do up to 8 or so guys a day! (some of them actually do work 16 hour days!!). How do you know if the guy just before you gave her the heeby jeebies or not??!!
On the plus side though, I have never experienced a Sauna gal who would agree to bare backing - but then again - practically all of 'em do BBBJ's, never mind about all 'em ass rimming!!
And as far as age/experience/freshness - my own very humble opinion is that the WG's in China are generally much younger than those in other countries - even compared to surrounding SE Asian countries - so for what it's worth.
And that is all I could think of to advise you - for whatever its worth
SEAJ
Ps. By the Way - my doctor friend tells me that double wrapping is the very worst possible idea - as the 2 condoms rub on each other and the friction will instead tear both condoms apart!
Vista Sushi
04-29-09, 15:24
You know, I have to ask a stupid question. I have RTFF for some time now and have never heard anything about STD's in China. I mean, how does it compare here to the US? Here, you got to double wrap it and still hope that you are OK. When I search the internet, all I find are a bunch of statistics that say the rates of STD's in China are going up. But what does it all mean from a mongers perspective? Are the girls at 999 tested? What are the risks? If any experienced monger can give me the low down, it would be appreciated.
SM
The central tendency of statistics relates to biology. So, you should suspect that STD rates in China are comparable with pretty much anywhere else. The Chinese government paints a pretty rosy picture with statistics in all cases, so really any 'data' would be unreliable at best. I think most international organizations revise up the rates of HIV in the country. The official rates are laughably low. Don't buy them unless you need an excuse, and your self-fulfilling prophecy will come true.
As for the sauna girls at 999. Well, based on what they do to you, the probability of contraction is very low. As mentioned by one of the board's sages, the worst they do without protection is a BBBJ, DATY, and AR. In the grand scheme of mongering, the probability of getting anything from either of those activities is really, really low. Not to get into much detail, the risk is really on the taker. So, she is really the one taking the risk. Given incubation periods, well, it is unlikely you catch anything from the previous guy. In any case she'll suck on Listerine long enough to kill that possibility.
So, unless you are severely unlucky in life, which I'm guessing you are not, don't sweat it. If you want zero risk, just ask her for a HJ. She'll be more than happy to assist. Also, you can have a lot of fun inspecting her if you are really paranoid. If you see any open sores, just walk out. They'll get you a replacement.
Vista Sushi
04-29-09, 15:43
I think for the most of us, Craigslist is an unreliable source at best. Sometimes, however, there are diamonds in the rough.
Back in October, I posted for a dinner companion. I was not really looking for anything more, and mostly, wanted someone to help me navigate the culinary world of Shanghai. The result is that I've been to places I would have never been and can even impress my Chinese colleagues with my knowledge of good restaurants in most every style. Enough of food though....
So, the result of the October post was that I met her when I arrived in Shanghai. We went out to eat then to KTV. I paid for dinner and she paid for KTV. The fact that she paid for something was a good sign. Dinners have continued on and off for months since we met. The conversation has gotten more personal as can be expected after the small talk and career talk wears off.
Recently, she asked me about my sex life. Not being shy about it I told her about my legit relationships. Namely explained about the 'friends with benefits concept. Again, I was not expecting her to be one of these friends. She seemed far too concerned with finding a mate. And, I have been upfront that I am not a guy looking for a wife. Insanity is making the same mistake more than one time.
So, I explained the concept and how it works and why it works over dinner. My contention was that it takes a lot of maturity on both sides to make it work. Essentially, it requires the ability to separate physical needs from societal pressures. And, moralists on either side of the pond aren't all that different.
Well, inviting herself over to watch a movie, one thing led to another and we had a lot of fun. She's not a pro, so the quality wasn't comparable, but there is something nice about it anyways. So, moral of the story is that although it really isn't free to groom this sort of situation, Craiglist (or any other site) can pay off -- even if you aren't looking for it. It may just take time. In the end, sometimes curiosity gets you to the cat. I certainly didn't expect it, but did welcome the change....
Welllll.... you said what kind of question it is!!
Girls at 999 - in China "Tested????" come on - prostitution is illegal in china - so how/who would insist they get tested???!!! And even if they are tested - these gals can do up to 8 or so guys a day!
All girls I know, working in mostly legit massage parlours, carry a Shanghai Police registration card. They are obliged to check in at the local hospital for a medical check up including blood test every six months. I never heard of any STD's being found, but various cases of other ailments being revealed. I understand that all service industry workers carry the cards in Shanghai, it is not a sex workers registration, but includes anybody who might possibly be one. GF was disgusted she had to pay 45 rmb for the (photo)card.
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El Frances
04-29-09, 21:21
Visited JJ's today at lunch. Really nice place with unique well furnished rooms. Easy to find, nice attendants and quick service. On Monday at 1pm I was the only one there which was great because my last caper at 999 left me behind 5 Chinese guys who fished out all the good girls ahead of me.
The fishbowl is cool with a very slow curtain that draws to reveal 10-15 gorgeous sets of legs wrapped in red/orange mini's and white silk blouses above. All the girls looked good. I chose 55 which turned out a mistake. The clothes they wear do make it harder to judge 'boob dynamics'. That aside it was her performance and attitude that was lack lustre. Too many questions 'are you too cold? ', 'are you feeling happy? ' and too much time tuning the shower nozzle like it was a guitar. It was very stop start.
Despite her small but soft breasts I'll admit she performed a decent soapland after a coldish shower scrub-down. AR was about 10 sec's and BBBJ consisted of animal sounds and grunts. I guess we were running out of time having spent 45min on the shower nozzle and doing her hair band so sex was fairly ordinary. She just lay there and was like a stubborn mule trying to manouvre into various positions. She wouldn't do reverse cowgirl as I was 'too big'. Shot my seeds in the bag and was keen to get out. Another barrage of 'are you happy? ', 'are you too cold? Too warm? '. I didn't even bother saying anything. I was past the point of no return.
Ahhhhhh. I escape back to the lockers, mint basket and street outside. Damage as advertised 880rmb. Expensive but nice place.
I can't really recommend 55 and not even sure why I chose her but sauna's can be a lottery and it is fun to experiment. I do recommend the establishment though and I enjoyed the ease with which I could slip in and out. Plus those funky rooms! Hopefully next time I'll choose a better honey.Too bad you were not lucky with your choice!
If you think you may go more than one time to JJ, it is worth taking the membership card. It's 100 RMB and gives you a 90 RMB discount,including on your first visit. So you only pay 10 RMB extra the irst time, and the next time you will pay only 790.
Sixty Cent
04-29-09, 23:23
Yesterday I discussed with one of ex-xiao jie of World plaza B2 (she quit 2 months ago). She was still in link with some girls and gave me the real story.
The cops went there, fined the customers 20000 to 30000 rmb, took the girls (probably at least few days to jail before sending them back home. This is unsure I'll keep investigating), and they closed down the place.
I tried to call the ex mamasan but impossible to get hold of her.
Well, not sure the place will re-open in the future.
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Fast Eddie 48
04-30-09, 16:45
Yesterday I discussed with one of ex-xiao jie of World plaza B2 (she quit 2 months ago). She was still in link with some girls and gave me the real story.
The cops went there, fined the customers 20000 to 30000 rmb, took the girls (probably at least few days to jail before sending them back home. This is unsure I'll keep investigating), and they closed down the place.
I tried to call the ex mamasan but impossible to get hold of her.
Well, not sure the place will re-open in the future.
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IF this happen the management will tell the staff to keep their mouth closed ,they will just say the sauna is closed for remodeling and until the police get paid off.
Fast Eddie 48
Rick China
04-30-09, 22:03
B2 was raided on 9. April and about 20 girls, together with some GUESTS (!), were jailed 15 days. The Mamasan was the only person who escaped the raid. But she broke open the safety deposit boxes of all the girls, took all the money and belongings from them and was gone! All the girls are either mad or sad, and are all looking for her.
There is no hope that B2 will reopen. All the girls are looking for new jobs now. Since the second time it will be ONE YEAR Jail, many do not want to do the same job any more. I had a dinner last night with some of the girls after they were released from the jail. One of the girls (my favorite girl) has agreed to stay with me as my housekeeper in exchange for a room in my apartment.
During the 15 days jail, she said that every day, there were new girls jailed. So she assumed the police is raiding one or two Saunas EVERY DAY.
According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.
So be careful!
Sixty Cent
05-01-09, 13:41
B2 was raided on 9. April and about 20 girls, together with some GUESTS (!), were jailed 15 days. The Mamasan was the only person who escaped the raid. But she broke open the safety deposit boxes of all the girls, took all the money and belongings from them and was gone! All the girls are either mad or sad, and are all looking for her.
There is no hope that B2 will reopen. All the girls are looking for new jobs now. Since the second time it will be ONE YEAR Jail, many do not want to do the same job any more. I had a dinner last night with some of the girls after they were released from the jail. One of the girls (my favorite girl) has agreed to stay with me as my housekeeper in exchange for a room in my apartment.
During the 15 days jail, she said that every day, there were new girls jailed. So she assumed the police is raiding one or two Saunas EVERY DAY.
According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.
So be careful!You are absolutely right. They put 8 customers to jail, including shanghainese, japanese and even 1 american. But they were quick release after paying 30000rmb (at least the american guy, after 1 day).
The girls did 15 days of jail (but no fine) and I had dinner with one of them yesterday, after she got out.
So mongerer, always keep your passport on you and some cash to avoid to call your wife asking her to bring money!
Sixty Cent
05-01-09, 14:05
B2 was raided on 9. April and about 20 girls, together with some GUESTS (!), were jailed 15 days. The Mamasan was the only person who escaped the raid. But she broke open the safety deposit boxes of all the girls, took all the money and belongings from them and was gone! All the girls are either mad or sad, and are all looking for her.
There is no hope that B2 will reopen. All the girls are looking for new jobs now. Since the second time it will be ONE YEAR Jail, many do not want to do the same job any more. I had a dinner last night with some of the girls after they were released from the jail. One of the girls (my favorite girl) has agreed to stay with me as my housekeeper in exchange for a room in my apartment.
During the 15 days jail, she said that every day, there were new girls jailed. So she assumed the police is raiding one or two Saunas EVERY DAY.
According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.
So be careful!I was trying to send you a private message but it is not possible.
I am in contact with some of ex of WP, there is one (ex #19 from WP, maybe you know her? ) who is very concerned with the news, can't believe the mamasan did that. She is asking if you can tell her which girls were caught? The girls numbers? The ones you know were among the 20.
I know 1 who was caught but she is still under the shock and does not like to discuss too much about the details, she did not even tell me the mamasan did that!
Thanks in advance
Rick China
05-02-09, 07:58
I am in contact with some of ex of WP, there is one (ex #19 from WP, maybe you know her? ) who is very concerned with the news, can't believe the mamasan did that. She is asking if you can tell her which girls were caught? The girls numbers? The ones you know were among the 20.
I know 1 who was caught but she is still under the shock and does not like to discuss too much about the details, she did not even tell me the mamasan did that!
Thanks in advanceThough I had a long dinner with some of the girls jailed, we did not talk long about the topic since the shocks were still there. Actually, the girls were not only jailed. They have been BEATEN badly in the jail (I am not sure whether every one was beaten and why. But MY GIRL was beaten badly, this is for sure).
I do not want to mention names or numbers.
Even though the girls I talked to truly believe that the Mamasan took all their money and belongings, it could be a speculation. The facts are:
1. Mamasan was the only person escaped the raid by hiding inside the large projection TV in one of the room (you may remember this huge TV in one of the "resting" rooms). One of the girls saw her hiding there. All others, including servants, receptionist, etc, were all caught and jailed.
2. When they were released and came back to B2, all their safety deposit boxes were broken open and all their money and belongings were gone. This is very painful since on the day of raid, the girls just got their wage paid. So every girl has at least RMB 20k to 30k in the box, some girls even much more.
3. The Mamasan was gone also and cannot be reached by any one and by any of her normal contact ways.
So I think it is understandable that the girls believe Mamasan took their money. But I think it is also possible that Mamasan ran after the police left and later, other people came and stole all the money.
The Mamasan will certainly hide herself since she will be jailed for a long long time (not only 15 days) if she got caught. So her hiding is certainly not a proof that she stole the money.
Applecrate
05-02-09, 08:55
B2 was raided on 9. April and about 20 girls, together with some GUESTS (!), were jailed 15 days. The Mamasan was the only person who escaped the raid. But she broke open the safety deposit boxes of all the girls, took all the money and belongings from them and was gone! All the girls are either mad or sad, and are all looking for her.
There is no hope that B2 will reopen. All the girls are looking for new jobs now. Since the second time it will be ONE YEAR Jail, many do not want to do the same job any more. I had a dinner last night with some of the girls after they were released from the jail. One of the girls (my favorite girl) has agreed to stay with me as my housekeeper in exchange for a room in my apartment.
During the 15 days jail, she said that every day, there were new girls jailed. So she assumed the police is raiding one or two Saunas EVERY DAY.
According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.
So be careful!Several Objectives Could Be Achieved At Once
1. Enforcement authorities can demonstrate to their higher-ups that they are taking decisive action. They can point to B2's closure, with associated arrests, fines, and jail time as proof positive. This action is aligned with the Central Government's China-wide crackdown around the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) issue. (Coincidentally, April 9, the day of the raid, was the day before Good Friday, and Easter Weekend.)
2. Sends a signal to WGs and customers alike that real action is possible. Especially if you're in a location where authorities can walk in the front door, take three steps into the locker room, five steps to the changing area, do a right face and head to the main area. Within one minute – or less – authorities can be through the front door and knocking on massage rooms. My point: B2 was an easy target, compared to other venues where you've got to take elevators four or five floors to get to the lobby, 'run the gauntlet' through locker rooms and changing areas filled with floor attendants, and pass through a maze of confusing hallways to get to the massage rooms.
3. It cleans up this stretch of Century Avenue / Pudong Nan Lu underground subway area in advance of the 2010 World Expo where many foreigners could be walking by. Recently, there have been extensive renovations on both B1 and B2 levels of the subway concourse that cross over form Century Avenue toward and under World Plaza. Several new shops have opened, and others are being renovated and should open soon. Directly across from the B2 entrance, there's a very large area that has been recently remodeled. It stands to reason that planners would want an establishment in B2's location that's more fitting with other shops in the area. The subtext here is visibility: B2 was simply in a 'too visible' location. That's also true for many of the 'serious' street massage places. Think: out of sight…out of mind as a better way to go.
4. It drives more business into Sacrosa, which is nearby, and 'out of sight…out of mind'. Since business is somewhat slow, closing B2 simply drives more revenue into Sacrosa. Again, when times are slow, and Sacrosa has a RMB 550 deal before 7:00 pm, do you really need two saunas within one block of each other? And, again, out of sight, out of mind. The average 2010 Expo tourist will not stumble upon Sacrosa.
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Can anyone give some idea what the sauna in this hotel is like? How is the massage and any extras offered?
Not asking about what's around the area - I know there's lots, but what about in the hotel itself?
Thanks!
(sorry for cross post from East Shanghai Hotels forum, nobody there seems to have any feedback)
I am back in SH after a few months and what must I read: my favorite B2 closed down by police? some of the nice girls i never see again?
But more importantly worries me the thought that ALL places are now getting raided systematically. Can anybody confirm that? So SH was at least closed for one night and Peacock still is? Sacrosa doing fine? I thought as long as the Saunas payed their "bills" they were still safe...
Also, what exactly happened to foreigners cought (not permanently living there)?
Thanks guys!
Great session at Zhongtan Sanna Club. I picked two girls from a lineup of about 11 on Friday afternoon. I like having two girls cause they play off of each other; sometimes they compete to be the best.
On Friday the best was # 36. I don't remember what she said her name was. She is petite and curvy, pretty face with big eyes. She told me that she is from Hainan. The second girl was also petite and a little slim for my taste; not very curvy. Started with a fantastic soapy. Very playful and silly. I think the soapy slip and slide thing is a little ridiculous and I was just having fun. But it was soon very hot on the mat and I had my first pop there.
36 was really trying to be the best one in the room and putting on a show. She asked if I wanted "la la" If I wanted to watch her and the other girl play together. I said yes. She spoke to the other girl a little and reported that the other wouldn't. Then they had a brief exchange and she said OK. But it was only a little kiss. 36 was willing to play but the other was not open to it.
I think that if you began a session with 36, then asked for another girl and let 36 pick her, you might get some lesbian play.
At this point 36 had established her dominance, along with the fact that she knew some English. She still gave an amazing performance. She put the professional in the term Pro. They had a brief discussion about who I was going to fuck, but I assured them that I was going to fuck them both.
It turned out that the other girl was at a loss at what to do at times. She stayed near and tried to play along, but was less open. 36 was a teaser and a pleaser, multiple positions, BBBJ, COF, light S&M, DATY, and some bi tendencies. The second girl was a turn on in the way she was a confused witness to the action with 36. When 36 started slapping me around I imagine the other girl saying something like " is that sex? "When 36 tied me up and sat on my face the other girl was astounded. Before I go on with too much praise for her I want to say YMMV; but the main point of the forum as I understand it is to report good and bad experiences for the benefit of other readers. I think this was a good one.
#36 Face 8
body 9
service 10
some English ( do you like? Are you comfortable? )
no tattoos
other girl
face 8
body 7
service 7
2 tattoos, wolf and fish
1280 RMB with coupon before 19:00
90 minutes
3 pops
Krinko
I could not find any post by search about this place. Could you please provide some directions?
Now that b2 is closed I need a new venue and I also plan on finding and trying JJ's.
Sixty Cent
05-03-09, 02:55
Though I had a long dinner with some of the girls jailed, we did not talk long about the topic since the shocks were still there. Actually, the girls were not only jailed. They have been BEATEN badly in the jail (I am not sure whether every one was beaten and why. But MY GIRL was beaten badly, this is for sure).
I do not want to mention names or numbers.
Even though the girls I talked to truly believe that the Mamasan took all their money and belongings, it could be a speculation. The facts are:
1. Mamasan was the only person escaped the raid by hiding inside the large projection TV in one of the room (you may remember this huge TV in one of the "resting" rooms). One of the girls saw her hiding there. All others, including servants, receptionist, etc, were all caught and jailed.
2. When they were released and came back to B2, all their safety deposit boxes were broken open and all their money and belongings were gone. This is very painful since on the day of raid, the girls just got their wage paid. So every girl has at least RMB 20k to 30k in the box, some girls even much more.
3. The Mamasan was gone also and cannot be reached by any one and by any of her normal contact ways.
So I think it is understandable that the girls believe Mamasan took their money. But I think it is also possible that Mamasan ran after the police left and later, other people came and stole all the money.
The Mamasan will certainly hide herself since she will be jailed for a long long time (not only 15 days) if she got caught. So her hiding is certainly not a proof that she stole the money.The only thing that make me doubt and wonder if you are manipulated is that it is not possible that they received 20K to 30K of salary just before. They only receive salary by week, so way below this amount.
Did the girls ask you to help them, give them money?
Anyway, I think Sacrosa is not far on the list!
Globe Spinner
05-03-09, 12:48
Thought I would give CL another try. Picked one at random, L**g L**g in her ad. Made the call, knock on the door 40 minutes later. Of course the girl wasn’t the girl in the ad. Started the usual RMB300 massage, followed by up sell to RMB2000. I laughed and said to keep rubbing, massage only is ok. 2000 became 1000, too lazy to go through it all again, I countered with 1500 for two hours. What transpired was the best GFE I have had in a long time. CBJ, multiple positions, multiple pops. She had one of the tightest I’ve ever had. She came 4-5 times, and wasn’t faking. Great sense of humor, fantastic attitude. This is a girl who loves her job. After two and a half hours, exhausted, we went to the shower together and she got junior standing at attention once again, but alas, he wasn’t up for the task. Face 6, Body 8, Service and Attitude 9+. Repeat? You bet. If you can’t figure out the **, PM me and I’ll give you her phone no. Be nice to her boys.
Applecrate, most of your points raised are correct. I have several friends and business partners who are either government officials or are acquainted to some, and all confirmed that from now on and until the Expo is over the crackdowns will be more frequent and widespread in Shanghai.
According to my well informed source, every time a high official from the Beijing CCCP comes to town, crackdowns will happen either the day before up to several days in advance.
Normally the places more at risk are the ones on the route (and vicinity) where the Official will travel. The local government will want to 'clean-up' those section to give away a good impression.
Also, I'm told, that most of the Pudong high traffic areas next to the Expo will be completely 'cleaned up' in anticipation of the large amount of tourist influx.
Last Tuesday, one of such visits happened, and the tell tale is a flurry of police officers stationed at every intersection and surrounding of the designated route. That means that at some point they will re-route traffic to allow a smooth transit of the official.
This will only become more and more frequent, as many more CCCP politicians will visit Shanghai and the progression of the Expo works.
Unfortunately Saunas, BBS's and all those places that aren't strictly 'legit' are at highest risk. Of course it has been explained to me that if any of these owners have high enough connections they will get a warning ahead of time and shut the business voluntarily until it is safe to re-open, usually with the excuse of a broken pipe or remodeling
Before, during and right after these periods it is best to take a rest and avoid any mongering in places at risk. How can you tell if a place is at risk? Like Applecrate pointed out, any Sauna or BBS strip/shop on a major artery (or vicinity) is at high risk, the ones that are hard to find and out of sight might be spared. Also, the ones on the fringes of the city and not easily accessible (too far) for your average tourist will be probably safe.
Interestingly, the same day (Tuesday night) that the CCCP official was in town, I happened to be with 2 local gov. Officials and other friends at a mid-high-end strip-KTV place (downtown). As a precaution all the stripping and 'games' were banned that day and for the rest of the week. The word is that from now on and until the Expo is over, KTV's seem to be the 'safer' places in town to meet girls. Many of them have 'take-out', which isn't a bad option considering that you spend at least a couple of hours getting to 'know' the girl. Obviously, it is a tedious process when one wants a quick fix, but in hard times like these, it is something to consider.
Lastly, the reason why KTV's are immune to raids is that they are the favorite 'past time' and business playground of most Chinese business men and the majority of government officials. Almost every city in China has several 'secret' spots where these guys spend their 'hard earned money' (pun intended). In general they classify in 2 categories, the super high-end members only deal, or the skanky/shady joints that will repel most people except the ones in 'the know'. I have been to one of those a few times and my first impression was I might have caught rabies or a similar just by stepping inside. Until I saw the lineup
Wobudong
Several Objectives Could Be Achieved At Once
1. Enforcement authorities can demonstrate to their higher-ups that they are taking decisive action. They can point to B2's closure, with associated arrests, fines, and jail time as proof positive. This action is aligned with the Central Government's China-wide crackdown around the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) issue. (Coincidentally, April 9, the day of the raid, was the day before Good Friday, and Easter Weekend.)
2. Sends a signal to WGs and customers alike that real action is possible. Especially if you're in a location where authorities can walk in the front door, take three steps into the locker room, five steps to the changing area, do a right face and head to the main area. Within one minute – or less – authorities can be through the front door and knocking on massage rooms. My point: B2 was an easy target, compared to other venues where you've got to take elevators four or five floors to get to the lobby, 'run the gauntlet' through locker rooms and changing areas filled with floor attendants, and pass through a maze of confusing hallways to get to the massage rooms.
3. It cleans up this stretch of Century Avenue / Pudong Nan Lu underground subway area in advance of the 2010 World Expo where many foreigners could be walking by. Recently, there have been extensive renovations on both B1 and B2 levels of the subway concourse that cross over form Century Avenue toward and under World Plaza. Several new shops have opened, and others are being renovated and should open soon. Directly across from the B2 entrance, there's a very large area that has been recently remodeled. It stands to reason that planners would want an establishment in B2's location that's more fitting with other shops in the area. The subtext here is visibility: B2 was simply in a 'too visible' location. That's also true for many of the 'serious' street massage places. Think: out of sight…out of mind as a better way to go.
4. It drives more business into Sacrosa, which is nearby, and 'out of sight…out of mind'. Since business is somewhat slow, closing B2 simply drives more revenue into Sacrosa. Again, when times are slow, and Sacrosa has a RMB 550 deal before 7:00 pm, do you really need two saunas within one block of each other? And, again, out of sight, out of mind. The average 2010 Expo tourist will not stumble upon Sacrosa.
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I just wonder if we're giving too much away to LE by posting here? They're wise to block normal access to the site, why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence?
Especially for places such as B2 that had become a staple of resident and visiting Lao Wais, and probably because of that less indispensable to local mongers?
Please get me right, I'm not advocating to stop posting altogether, but I have a feeling that we, B2 customers & posters, might have precipitated things (linked to poor or deteriorated connections to LE by B2 owners)....
Beijing Fox
05-04-09, 03:27
I am/we are sure that police accessed the Beijing forum before the Olympics and acted/raided upon information gained there. There were also several strange posters with a history of only 2-3 posts asking blunt questions about tel numbers of certain girls. As a result 'senior' members didn't send specific information to posters without history or only, if they sent their mobile number via PM first. UOTE=Drainaps]I just wonder if we're giving too much away to LE by posting here? They're wise to block normal access to the site, why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence?
Especially for places such as B2 that had become a staple of resident and visiting Lao Wais, and probably because of that less indispensable to local mongers?
Please get me right, I'm not advocating to stop posting altogether, but I have a feeling that we, B2 customers & posters, might have precipitated things (linked to poor or deteriorated connections to LE by B2 owners)....[/QUOTE]
Beijing Fox
05-04-09, 03:33
I am/we are sure that police accessed the Beijing forum before the Olympics and acted/raided upon information gained there. There were also several strange posters with a history of only 2-3 posts asking blunt questions about tel numbers of certain girls. As a result 'senior' members didn't send specific information to posters without history or only, if they sent their mobile number via PM first. UOTE=Drainaps]I just wonder if we're giving too much away to LE by posting here? They're wise to block normal access to the site, why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence?
Especially for places such as B2 that had become a staple of resident and visiting Lao Wais, and probably because of that less indispensable to local mongers?
Please get me right, I'm not advocating to stop posting altogether, but I have a feeling that we, B2 customers & posters, might have precipitated things (linked to poor or deteriorated connections to LE by B2 owners)....[/QUOTE]
Thought I would give CL another try. Picked one at random, L**g L**g in her ad. Made the call, knock on the door 40 minutes later. Of course the girl wasn’t the girl in the ad. Started the usual RMB300 massage, followed by up sell to RMB2000. I laughed and said to keep rubbing, massage only is ok. 2000 became 1000, too lazy to go through it all again, I countered with 1500 for two hours. What transpired was the best GFE I have had in a long time. CBJ, multiple positions, multiple pops. She had one of the tightest I’ve ever had. She came 4-5 times, and wasn’t faking. Great sense of humor, fantastic attitude. This is a girl who loves her job. After two and a half hours, exhausted, we went to the shower together and she got junior standing at attention once again, but alas, he wasn’t up for the task. Face 6, Body 8, Service and Attitude 9+. Repeat? You bet. If you can’t figure out the **, PM me and I’ll give you her phone no. Be nice to her boys.
GS, maybe good for you but you PAID too much for her IMHO but hey your happy, thats all that counts.
PC out
Dear Sogetthis,
2 years ago I stayed in the Holiday Inn Downtown (near Shanghai Station) and.being innocent- went to the hotel sauna booking a massage. To be honest: the main reason for deciding this was the very short skirt and the fantastic body of the lady being offered for the massage. I remember she really gave me a very good massage (price was 200 RMB), but as usual started trying to convince me to give me a HJ (additional 200) which I couldn't resist. After finishing she offered to visit me in my room after her work at 2am. I was very tempted. But as it was my first evening in Shanghai I had other plans.
So I think also in the Holiday Inn Pudong everything is possible.
Shamuc
Yesterday by accident passed the BBS area in Wuzhong Lu and caught the eye of a beauty. Couldn't resist, very charming, fantastic face and body (tits perhaps a little bit small but still ok). I'm not so experienced with BBS so negotiated something for 300 RMB. To understand later that I "only" got a "tit job" (didn't find an abbreviation for that), first time experience for me and fine. I could finger her as I wanted.
It's in Wuzhong Lu no. 382 the right window (there are several), she's number 23. Really sweet.
Parasitius
05-04-09, 10:27
"why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence? "
Incredibly strange question to propose if you ask me. Why on earth waste the manpower of an employee with such incredibly sophisticated English that he could understand these forums, when you can already find prostitute info a magnitude of 100 times more numerous and detailed in Chinese. But anyway, ... why would that even be necessary? As if they don't know the addresses of the places paying protection money to them as-is?
Globe Spinner
05-04-09, 10:39
GS, maybe good for you but you PAID too much for her IMHO but hey your happy, thats all that counts.
PC outYou're right, my friend, but my time is money too.
Parasitius,
I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....
"why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence? "
Incredibly strange question to propose if you ask me. Why on earth waste the manpower of an employee with such incredibly sophisticated English that he could understand these forums, when you can already find prostitute info a magnitude of 100 times more numerous and detailed in Chinese. But anyway, ... why would that even be necessary? As if they don't know the addresses of the places paying protection money to them as-is?
Drainaps is 100% correct.
Wobudong
Parasitius,
I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....
Blacklisted
05-04-09, 16:01
While I am suitably impressed with your friendships in high places claim, would it not be of use to others to actually post the names and locations of these rabies infested amazing line up KTV's?
Or is it just horn blowing bullshit?
Lastly, the reason why KTV's are immune to raids is that they are the favorite 'past time' and business playground of most Chinese business men and the majority of government officials. Almost every city in China has several 'secret' spots where these guys spend their 'hard earned money' (pun intended). In general they classify in 2 categories, the super high-end members only deal, or the skanky/shady joints that will repel most people except the ones in 'the know'. I have been to one of those a few times and my first impression was I might have caught rabies or a similar just by stepping inside. Until I saw the lineup
Wobudong
Hi there,
Has anyone ever been to Adeline international? Its on 888 Panyu lu.
If not, I will try this
Thanks
Parasitius
05-04-09, 18:04
Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )
Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?
Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.
Parasitius,
I'm sorry to say you don't know them well enough if you doubt what Beijing Fox or I are saying. They're obsessed with intelligence from / on Lao Wai, and will go to extremes to get it. Makes them look much better with their superiors. You would also be surprised at their language skills. Your underestimating them, I'm sorry to say, is only linked to your not having enough flight hours on knowing them. Sorry to sound preposterous, but you should know better.....
Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )
Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?
Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.
I somehow agree on your "numbers". The foreigners, in a town as Shangai, are a fraction of an appr 20 mill population. The locations are many and mainly cater for a chinese clientele. Certainly they do not know them from ISG. Maybe the authorities do not like certain news about mongering places are spreaded through the internet as put a "bad" light of the town. Thinking about the billions of internet users...all potentially coming to know about the great mongering places in Shangai.
The funny thing is that these places are so obvious for the locals but not for the foreigner. With the experience one can build a sense of identification of certain signs on buildings, but from there to close the stablishement on a road populated by foreigners.... it is quite weird.
There are tens of places - quite "respectable" openly advertising on the bulding, on the hotel front... The authorities do not like the establishments or they do not like the idea the foreign can see a "lot"of these forming an opinion?
A couple of weeks ago I have been in Shangai and went to a sauna, located above a KTV. At some point there were some noises, whilst I was cuddling with the girl in the room. She was alerted, all worried, trying to understand the reason of the noises and telling me "110...110" like the place was being raided (wasn't).
So, certainly something is going on!
Will it, can it last till the end of Expo 2010?
Quite a long time to the deadline, isn't it?
Can those establishments stay close for so long?
"State" reasons may suggest so, authorities do not care..until this action disturbs some other "authorities"....:)
PS does anybody know the starting and ending dates of the Expo?
Parasitius,
Without trying to make a dissertation (I'm not qualified anyway as I don't speak the language):
i) If you try to apply Western world logic to China on what's relevant or not, you'll often crash on takeoff. Statistics as you mention them are relevant to your (or my) western mind, but don't extrapolate much....
ii)Appearances (face) count more than facts (and not only in China.......) Acting on leads from here gives face. Anything Lao Wai-related gives double points, as I'm sure you know only too well.
iii) This site has a-grade intelligence. In my experience, it's not just "any site". Maybe the filter has come by by chance, but few chances after that. Sure you have roamed other sites and you have a Senior status here not by chance? Please think twice: if you keep coming here for sources, why they should not?
Besr.
Well maybe you have access or experience I don't know about, but at least from a purely logical standpoint it makes no sense whatsoever and seems extremely self-important and arrogant of everyone thus paranoid (IMHO) that the authorities should be so concerned with this little hub of info and the maybe 200 foreigners in Shanghai who frequent these saunas and maybe 1000 more who partake much more occasionally. (Seriously -- for all my trips to the former village and various saunas over the years and never seeing other foreigners, it is preposterous to estimate the number being a lot bigger than my wild guess. )
Think about this realistically... if they didn't want foreigners to be able to get sex services and that was their goal, it wouldn't take a few days of threats being passed back through pay-off connections before most saunas (of the 1000s) in town would agree to reject the petty 1%(most)-5% of revenues they are seeing from foreign clientel. IF they were so sneaky and so in the know, they would have had a sting meet with Dragon and others by now. None of the things that logically should be happening if the (self important) paranoia were true are happening. All we see is a random unexpected event here and there, probably due to bad relations somewhere in the chain, and there is no way I'm going to believe it is anything more until I see better proof. Look at Tongrenlu, do you honestly think they couldn't close that up if they wanted to keep foreigners from having access to paid pussy?
Do you want to explain to me why this site remained unblocked for ALL of these years until just recently if it really had such amazing 'special' status to the authorities? The fact that it took so long to get blocked clearly shows to me it is in the category of any other RANDOM site on the internet -- eventually the filter folks run into it completely by accident and block it, but no sooner.
Zhongtan is near Maxdo.
http://www.touch-net.net/nakada/index.htm
There is a coupon here
Nice try, Blacklisted.
With what has just been said about LE potentially snooping in this forum, how wise would it be to start compiling a detailed list?!
As for the horn blowing BS, you should try 151 at Shanxi nan lu and Jianguo lu in Shanghai, or the Rainbow room (ultra high end) and Top Show (local gov. favorite) in Suzhou.
Wobudong
While I am suitably impressed with your friendships in high places claim, would it not be of use to others to actually post the names and locations of these rabies infested amazing line up KTV's?
Or is it just horn blowing bullshit?===============================================
Hi guys,
Just to put this in perspective:
There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.
Thanks,
Jackson
That's a given, Jackson. Anyone who's lived in this Country long enough knows that local authorities have their respective cities mapped out better than anyone else. I would still encourage caution during this period to people visiting Shanghai for the first time or are not familiar with the environment. Bottom line. Better safe than sorry.
Cheers,
Wobudong
Nice try, Blacklisted.
With what has just been said about LE potentially snooping in this forum, how wise would it be to start compiling a detailed list?!
As for the horn blowing BS, you should try 151 at Shanxi nan lu and Jianguo lu in Shanghai, or the Rainbow room (ultra high end) and Top Show (local gov. favorite) in Suzhou.
Wobudong
===============================================
Hi guys,
Just to put this in perspective:
There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.
Thanks,
Jackson
White Dragon
05-05-09, 08:05
Returned to JJ's today and had a great time with no. 29 and no. 85. A good pair, both cute with good bodies. No. 85 from dongbei and the taller of the two. Both haad small but sof breasts. 85 was the more experienced and saucy of the two while 29 more playful and a little shy at times. Soapland shower good, AR and BJ quick but decent enough. Had sex wwith 29 1st then rammed it home with 85. Both felt great but I didn't really last long today. 29 hopped on my back afterwards for a piggy back ride around the room. Fun sexy girls.
29. From xian
Looks: 8
Body: 8-9
Attitude: 8
Performance: 6 (inexperienced)
85. From dongbei
Looks: 8-9
Body: 8
Attitude: 8
Performance: 8
Jackson brilliantly put it right: LE does not need ISG.
Most of the places we rate as mongering location not only are famous, popular, known but are clearly visible from the street. With their signs. More visible to the local (seen the fact they are in chinese) than to us. Period.
What we might want to protect, from time to time and special cases, is the identity of some girl in some country or some circumstances.
Eventough I have some doubts this has to be generalized.
The chances for some girl to be recognized (and as a result her having some personal problems) by someone seeing her on the web are certainly more than being seen by some acquantaince patronizing a venue or mongering at her job place. Nevertheless it is a real small percentage.
I once recognized a couple of (normal) girls I knew on a kinky website as they were photographed sunbathing in topless in a beach. Nothing bad for them, innocent topless on a beach is a normal practice worldwide. What was weird was the website, let's say "visuals erotic oriented".
Would have been "worst" for me to tell them were I saw them rather than "bad" for them (unvoluntary) appearing there :)
Much discussion on why LE stepped on us a few weeks before the Olympics, could this be the reason ?, I think so! This was posted on 25th July 2008, on Cityweekend Shanghai section.
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HOT SEX: The most popular blog post at CW Beijing
What follows is amazing. The most popular article BY FAR on www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing. And for good reason. People come to China for all sorts of reasons. Some come because they love Chinese language and culture. Others come to get rich, others for that noble expat goal of “finding oneself.” Then there is Clandestine782, a “reasonably well-endowed” senior member on the International Sex Guide forums. He came to China for another reason entirely. “I want to have some hot group sex,” writes Clandestine. “My friend and I would like two girls overnight in one room and one bed… I’ve been to many barbershops, but (we want girls that) are younger, tighter, and have marginally better attitudes.”
Expats like Clandestine can find answers to their sex tourism queries on the International Sex Guide forums (http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/), an unashamed combination of wikipedia-esque prostitute knowledge and know-how, and a social networking site for likeminded sex “mongers”.
The forum professes to “facilitate the exchange of information between men who are looking for sex with women.” To this end, the site offers general information about where members can get the best bang for their buck. This includes information ranging from the price for various services, the specialties of individual prostitutes, and even accounts of negative experiences like that which one poster encountered with a working girl named Hebe. “Her English was good, but her choice of turn-on talk was a little creepy! Example, ‘You are a grandfather! You can be my grandfather and I am your little girl! I am very sympathetic to needs of grandfather!’ Ick!”
Beyond the righteous pursuit of helping sex tourists avoid creepy situations, the International Sex Guide offers assistance to those visitors to China whose language limitations might otherwise impede their ability to get the best possible service. For example, a senior member of the China board posting under the name Moody explains that “bai hu” or “white tiger” is the proper nomenclature when requesting that your prostitute be shaved. Moody also does his best to let mongers know how to break the ice with a working girl. “(Try saying) ‘wo shi chu nan, souyi xiaoxin yi dian’. It means, ‘I’m a virgin man, so be a little careful’. Almost always gets a smile.” Now, why wasn’t that in my Lonely Planet guide?
From opinions on the most passionate working girls (Mongolians) to advice on the best place to go for cheap sex if you are strapped for cash (university English corners), the rest of the site is chock full of helpful tidbits on China’s most stimulating offerings. However, even when posters like Typical Tourist describe their one time lovers with mathematical precision (“the girl from the BBS was a definite 6”), it can be hard for other mongers to really get a clear picture in their mind. Fortunately, the ISG solves this problem by providing premium users with the option to post their own pictures and view those of others. Although forum rules stipulate that you can’t just send in pictures of yourself, posters are encouraged to send in photos of girls they meet in any state of “dress or undress.” One of the more frequent posters, Scribe, attached his recent photos from a trip to Shenzhen with the caption, “Here's a girl from a few days ago. She was overflowing with wobbly bits, but in all the right places. 150 smackeroonies.” One poster, Eaglestar, uploaded pictures of himself actually engaged in sexual congress with a prostitute some decades his junior, writing “This girl absolutely goes bananas in cowgirl (also saves my energy, which at my advanced age is important). Must have had 3 orgasms on top. Damn I love it.”
No other option on the site appears as popular, or as helpful in accomplishing what seems to be one of the primary goals for posters – to sleep with and then compare notes on the same girls as their compatriots. Some may argue that the pictures are no different than run-of-the-mill pornography, but combined with detailed descriptions of cost and service they feel more like Zagat’s restaurant reviews than centerfolds. “They seem to serve like bizarre advertisements to help guys who are interested in finding and sharing the same girls,” notes Amy Sennett, an executive assistant working in Shanghai. “Looking at the threads, these guys seem more interested in meeting up with each other and swapping war stories than in getting to know any women.”
Even Pay, a research fellow based in Beijing, believes sites like the International Sex Guide are symptomatic of a larger issue in China. “Male expats outnumber females by a decent measure here. Conversations run sexual and, without women around, guys tell their dirtiest war stories. If one or two have drunkenly found themselves with hookers, their stories excuse and inspire further indiscretions. Like anything taboo that has been excused within one’s circle, visiting prostitutes can become a sort of bond.”
Whether or not this is true of the expat male population as a whole, the ISG forums certainly offer curious mongers-to-be a readymade social circle that celebrates and facilitates sex tourism. However, don’t think the ISG forums are without policies on morality. Although posting sexual descriptions, explicit pictures and contact information for working girls is encouraged, rules have been put in place banning words like “*****” and “****” that are considered demeaning to women. Members also abide by a strict code. When one poster named Tuscan Man talked about his habit of spending 56,000 RMB a month on prostitutes, others were appalled. One poster called Phill980 went so far as to rebuke Tuscan Man harshly for talking about paying such an obscene amount of money… on The Cheap Sex Thread. “Anybody who is willing to spend more than 300 RMB on a girl a night, should please shut the f*ck up in this section.”
Maybe they should shut the f*ck up all together.
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According to the girls at a "serious" massage shop at Pu-Diang Rd (Pudong), almost all shops with sex service on the streets were raided and closed in the past 3 weeks. Even though their shop is "serious", many customers are afraid to come so their business is bad now.
So be careful!
Business has been dead in the Laoshan Lu, Weifang Lu area since the Olympic shutdown, I heard of days in the past months, when Tequila had less than 1000 rmb takings., with a staff of 15!, this combined with many new smart salons opening in the past year. (and closing)
On April 28, I wanted to go to the B2. But when I arrived, I noticed it was closed. Apparently forever. Since I did not have access to this forum, I was not aware of the situation and the raid.
Then, I decided to go to the Zhongtian Sauna in Puxi (not far from the Sheraton Puxi hotel in Hongqiao). I have been there a couple of times in the past. It seems the place was not so crowded on that day.
After a short while of waiting, I am brought to the window with the lineup. It was not easy, and I took my time. On one side, I wanted big breasts, but also a slim performer. None really fulfilled all criteria. So, finally I decided for a pretty slim girl. I had more a bit the heavier ones (with good experience) in the past, but today my mood was for a slim one.
She had quite some makeup and was - from that perspective not necessarily my style. But the short hair and pretty face compensated.
We went then to the room, and I started to have some fun. She immediately joined in and enjoyed. Thanks to some limited mandarin, I could at least communicate a bit. We washed then each other, with particular attention to the strategic regions. Then, the famous / infamous body massage on the inflatable mattress. First, she gave me a body massage on my back, then I turned to the front side, and we played around. At the end, I was on top of her and gave her a body massage! It was absolutely great fun. We showered then together, and my xiao didi was already playing with her xiao meimei. I had to be careful and really keep control from my brain not to take her from bareback from the back. She was pretty tolerant. I also DATY'd her under the shower, and she got very exited.
We moved then to the bed, and it was absolutely great. She gave me an excellent BBBJ and then we did it in all kind of positions. Mish, cowgirl, doggy, reverse cowgirl, doggy again, mish again. She was very much into it and at the end came at least twice. She was very, very wet, and it was all real. We also had DFK and she was completely inhibited.
After a long while, I exploded, and it was perfect. She also enjoyed every second, and we used up all the available time. Then, we had some chat, and she gave me her mobile phone number. For the next session when in Shanghai. In fact, it was one of my best ever P4P experiences in my monger career.
She also told me her age and name. She says that she is 36 years old, but she looks like 25 maximum. Her body is very slim, but not too slim. Just sexy. Her tits are rather small, but with great shape.
Look: 8
Body: 8
Attitude: 10
Fun factor: 10
Repeat factor: high (even though I normally don't repeat)
Damage: 780 CNY (with VIP card)
Her number: 309.
If you ever have the chance to get her, please treat her very well. She deserves it, and you will have a great experience.
Wonderer
I just wonder if we're giving too much away to LE by posting here? They're wise to block normal access to the site, why should they not be wise to comb it for intelligence?
Especially for places such as B2 that had become a staple of resident and visiting Lao Wais, and probably because of that less indispensable to local mongers?
Please get me right, I'm not advocating to stop posting altogether, but I have a feeling that we, B2 customers & posters, might have precipitated things (linked to poor or deteriorated connections to LE by B2 owners)....They probably do. But I think B2 was a perfect storm of circumstances. If it contributed at all it was only in small part. Only conjecture but.
The remodel of the B2 level for other businesses. The new business owners may have had something to say about it. And made some calls or the complained to the mall mgmt.
Also it would have been quite convenient for someone as well heeled as the folks that run Sacrosa (I mean they are very serious about this biz just opening HeTIng), to drop a few hints and a gift here and there to the their guanxi friends to see that the neighborhood just had one good choice.
It appeared to me that this operation was not quite so well funded as some of the other going up.
Probably other reason we can only guess at.
I was at my regular joint a couple of evenings ago. The manager told me that the police are doing their usual rounds of raiding the establishments by each district. They said it should be over in the next few weeks and things will return to normal.
The place I frequent has a particular system. On Tuesday evening, I called ahead a couple of hours before heading there and the manager would make sure my regular girl is available for me. Otherwise if you are not a regular and show up they will only offer normal massage.
The manager told me to be discreet therefore I am afraid I can't do so in the forum.
After B2 was closed and I could not find directions to Zhongtan, I followed the directions to "JJs" or should I say "Golden 18 Club"? Maybe we are talking about two different places, but that was the one I found in that building (Wullumuqi Bei Lu 209, 5th floor). Super-easy to find.
The place was great! The rooms all are in different styles, have a large shower to do the soapie or even Jakuzzi. All nicely decorated and clean, much better than Sacrosa or even SH hotel sauna in my opinion. Staff are very friendly.
The lineup in the afternoon (4pm) was about 10 girls, all from 6 upwards up to 9s. I gave the one with the largest grin a try, though she was "only" 8. Number 61, name Ling. Best choice ever.
During our first session that day when she showered me the door openend and a second girl came in. Although I have bad experience with two girls in China, I agreed for her to stay. They both cleaned me in the shower but I was only giving 61 attention, touched and kissed her gently until she finally opened up and we started deep kissing. The second one suddenly left and was never seen again. Not to worry: 61 did the soapy which I found rather silly but the way she did it made it still enjoyable. I was worried though that almost 50mins were gone, so I urged to move on to the bed and I made her hot by kissing her cute budy and then doing DATY. She screamed for enjoyment. We basically did it three times andd each time it was truly great. Total cost 790 for two (! ) hours with no rush and almost real GFE.
No wonder I went back there the next two evenings, each time around 11pm. Again good lineup but I selected 61 eveytime. Each time multiple positions, lots of kissing, playing in the Jakuzzi. You name it. A real Chinese GF. Only problem was her very limited english, so I did not care to take her phone number (how should I arrange anything?)
Hope the place survives the crackdowns until my next visit!
Blacklisted
05-06-09, 15:43
Point being WBD, is that if you are gonna brag about your 'connections' and wonderful KTV's, at least have the decency to follow up with details so that others can check them out. That is the purpose of the forum, and no-one is going to rebuke you for bragging if you follow up with all important details.
If you don't want to post them I fully understand, but how about an offer to senior members to PM for details? Would be a nice touch, no?
By the way, I am more interested in ultra low-end rabies joints you mentioned. High end is for pussies!! ha ha
JMHO
Nice try, Blacklisted.
With what has just been said about LE potentially snooping in this forum, how wise would it be to start compiling a detailed list?!
As for the horn blowing BS, you should try 151 at Shanxi nan lu and Jianguo lu in Shanghai, or the Rainbow room (ultra high end) and Top Show (local gov. favorite) in Suzhou.
Wobudong
===============================================
Hi guys,
Just to put this in perspective:
There is no club, massage parlor, escort service, streetwalker location or other place described on this website that the local police don't already know about, with or without this website. Don't be so naive as to think that local LE doesn't already know what's going on in their town.
Thanks,
Jackson
Theronbrown
05-07-09, 04:10
I'm going to be in Shanghai for three days next week, then on to Hangzhou for a month. It looks like you guys have a lot of good spots for some great experiences. I have a question though, what level of Chinese should I have? I basically know almost no Chinese even though I'm trying..I can speak Japanese (not that it helps much I assume) I was just wondering if any of the veterans around here can give me some tips.
I'm going to be in Shanghai for three days next week, then on to Hangzhou for a month. It looks like you guys have a lot of good spots for some great experiences. I have a question though, what level of Chinese should I have? I basically know almost no Chinese even though I'm trying..I can speak Japanese (not that it helps much I assume) I was just wondering if any of the veterans around here can give me some tips.Don't worry in most places they speak some english to survive. In most cases however the girls do not speak english at all. But this does not matter that much, it is easy to find out for them what you want with signs, etc. It is all about fun anyway.
Applecrate
05-07-09, 15:09
They probably do. But I think B2 was a perfect storm of circumstances. If it contributed at all it was only in small part. Only conjecture but.
The remodel of the B2 level for other businesses. The new business owners may have had something to say about it. And made some calls or the complained to the mall mgmt.
Also it would have been quite convenient for someone as well heeled as the folks that run Sacrosa (I mean they are very serious about this biz just opening HeTIng), to drop a few hints and a gift here and there to the their guanxi friends to see that the neighborhood just had one good choice.
It appeared to me that this operation was not quite so well funded as some of the other going up.
Probably other reason we can only guess at.Good observations in both cases. The area of B2 and B1 for that matter have been remodeled into a kind of Children's Theme Park. B1 has an arcade, and along the wall are those fun-house mirrors. The stair well headed down from B1 to B2 has new wall paper, again with bright colors and the children's playground theme. To be sure, B2 didn't fit the theme.
As for the Sacrosa obervation, again, I was thinking the same thing. The same folks who own Sacrosa own Heting Elite, which, probably has a lot of overhead. You can only drive so much business to Heting by giving out 168 RMB coupons a the front desk of Sacrosa. Any additional revenue driven into Sacrosa from the closing of B2 should help the owners cover overhead at Heting.
Certainly none of these things can be proven, but they are, nonetheless, plausible scenarios.
Only problem was her very limited english, so I did not care to take her phone number (how should I arrange anything?)
I use two methods,
1. All phones can be connected to a PC, allowing messages to be read and of course translated, using google translate, babel fish, lingoes etc.
2. SMS from PC using a subscription to talk2china, again using google translate etc.
fz
Blacklisted, I wasn't bragging. It's inconvenient and unfortunate that it came across like that, it's one of the perils of typing messages, let alone from my phone. I just happen to do business with many gov. People and I just reported a few things of what I hear.
Anyway, if you check my message history, I have always provided ample information about places, addresses, details etc.
I noticed you're a KTV fan, just like me, so if you're after the low end places, it doesn't get better than Suzhou (proximity wise). For most locals, SZ is Shanghai's playground, it's cheaper and less 'commercial', and it definitely does not attract all the attention of LE and is unaffected by all the international events happening in SH.
I think you would enjoy the 'mini vegas' KTV strip on the outskirts of SZ. The place is known as Mudu Town in pinyin, or? In Mandarin.
Any cab driver knows the place. What you get is about 50 KTV's all lined up for you on both sides of the street. Definitely not high end, and with girls oozing from every establishment, it doesn't get more 'local' than that.
One of the hidden spots is Top Show, trust me, the place is a diamond in the rough. I can't recall the street address on top of my head, but I'll get a card next time I go back in the following weeks.
Peace,
Wobudong
Point being WBD, is that if you are gonna brag about your 'connections' and wonderful KTV's, at least have the decency to follow up with details so that others can check them out. That is the purpose of the forum, and no-one is going to rebuke you for bragging if you follow up with all important details.
If you don't want to post them I fully understand, but how about an offer to senior members to PM for details? Would be a nice touch, no?
By the way, I am more interested in ultra low-end rabies joints you mentioned. High end is for pussies!! ha ha
JMHO
I was in Shanghai for business a couple of weeks ago. It seems like Singapore's Orchard Tower is better and cheaper than Tongren Lu, so I skipped that and instead went to check out the BBS scene. A couple of posts referred to Xiaomuqiao Lu, and sure enough there is a long stretch with BBS stores between Xietu Lu and the highway.
This was about 4 in the afternoon, so no traffic and a couple of the places were closed. I walked down the entire street (from north to south), checking out the goods. The girls weren't that attractive in my book, but I saw a 7 in the last store on the left. Of course that was through the glass door. She was a 6 at best in reality.
By then my little brother was doing the thinking, so I let her lead me to a partitioned area in the back of the cramped room. She asked if I'd been to their store before, to which I said, "No, but I've been to other stores on this street. " I figured this response, though a flat-out lie, would at least ensure she didn't jack up the price on me.
She asked what I wanted to do, and I told her I wanted full service. She asked if she could do the blowjob with a condom. I noticed it was a pretty dirty place with no bathroom. I figured her hygiene couldn't possibly be that great, so I said yes.
She went down on me for about 30 seconds, then popped up and decided that it was time to move onto the main course.
She lied back on the massage bed, pulled her jeans down to her ankles (not even the one-leg method), lifted her legs and told me to stick it in. When I complained, she said that if girls are wearing jeans, that means they don't usually have sex, so I should be grateful. By this point I was having serious second thoughts, but I figured I'd come this far already.
I was trying to get a good, comfortable pace going, but the girl clearly wanted to out the door as quickly as possible, and starting shifting under me as quickly as possible. I let her know that throwing my rhythm off wasn't going to help anyway, so she stopped and just laid there like a dead fish. Ironically, after a couple of pushes and pulls, a fish-like odor started coming out of her twat. My erection started dying down, and I just went faster in the hopes that it would all be over soon. For the first time in a long time I came but didn't actually feel any sort of physical pleasure.
I cleaned up, handed her 120 RMB and got the hell out of there.
That was pretty traumatic, so I didn't have any desire for sex for the rest of my trip. My trip was only two days, but still. I had planned to try out the red rope thing at a sauna.
So at least I learned a couple of valuable lessons that I thought I'd pass on to other people into the BBS scene:
- Unless it's the winter, try to avoid the girls with jeans and other tough-access clothing. Even if it's not intentional, they probably unconsciously want to limit contact.
- If you must go with a BBS, try to find a bigger one that has a bathroom in it. The girls are more likely to rinse and clean up in between sessions. (I swear, the smell is still in my nose! )
If just two of you heed this advice, my 120 RMB lesson will have been worth it. Sort of.
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I use two methods,
1. All phones can be connected to a PC, allowing messages to be read and of course translated, using google translate, babel fish, lingoes etc.
2. SMS from PC using a subscription to talk2china, again using google translate etc.
fzGood idea. Now I somehow regret not knowing anything about her. Or never seeing her again.
Hi,
I would just like to report that happy town (search the forum if you are not familiar with this address) has developed with a lot of new BBS places. Many young and beautiful girls. For a foreigner 150 RMB FS per shot. No need to pay more. A bit annoying are the many police cars going up and down the street.
Recently picked a Filipino girl from Ton Ren Lu. Always a bit pricey to pick a girl there, but they speak good English (nice to chat with) and are very GFE. Had a very good night.
It is just personal preference if you prefer BBS, Sauna, KTV or Bar girls.
Good luck, Ding Ding.
A while back I visited Heting Elite Sauna and it was a mixed experience.
The best option of getting there is by taxi. No subway stop nearby.
The facilities are nice and its good that they have a fluent english speaker as manager. The cost was 798 but if you did not want a receipt you got 100 off. Still, in other saunas I have been I have gotten a 90min session and an extra massage for 698.
The room was nice but way to hot. Tried to get the temperature down but it was still somewhat unpleasant.
The session was a standard sauna session with cat bath and hot and cold bbbj. Nothing memorable about the session at all unfortunately. Maybe I was unlucky with the girl I picked, but since I told the manager it was my first time I think he could have suggested a good performer, but instead he left me with only a chinese speaking guy at the fish bowl.
Will try other saunas before I even think about returning.
A while back I visited Heting Elite Sauna and it was a mixed experience.
The best option of getting there is by taxi. No subway stop nearby.
The facilities are nice and its good that they have a fluent english speaker as manager. The cost was 798 but if you did not want a receipt you got 100 off. Still, in other saunas I have been I have gotten a 90min session and an extra massage for 698.
The room was nice but way to hot. Tried to get the temperature down but it was still somewhat unpleasant.
The session was a standard sauna session with cat bath and hot and cold bbbj. Nothing memorable about the session at all unfortunately. Maybe I was unlucky with the girl I picked, but since I told the manager it was my first time I think he could have suggested a good performer, but instead he left me with only a chinese speaking guy at the fish bowl.
Will try other saunas before I even think about returning.I agree with you. I was there twice. The atmosphere is one of the best, but the girls I had were also very standard in their performance. I guess the owner of this place (same as Sarcosa) should know by now that we want the girls that do something extra (..) during the session.
Anyway: too high price for the value
Hi guys,
I just want to share something I could imagine happening here.
I regularly go to 999 and picked different girls. One time a few weeks ago I picked one that matched very well, lots of fun and also got her phone number. Next time I went to 999 again and asked for her specifically to the 'bell boy'. She was very happy to see me and that I picked her upfront.
Now comes the story: Today I was there again, asked for her and in the pre-room I asked if she had a friend who can join us. I deliberately asked if she likes that. If not, then I did not want to spoil our ususal fun. She agreed, left the room and came back with her friend. Very good looking and I agreed that she would join us.
We had a lot of fun. The 2nd girl started DFK me and I did not resist. However, everytime I wanted to touch my regular on the hot spots she started resisiting, which was odd. I asked if she was ok and she looked quite angry to me. Anyway we continued we had still fun for 70 min. At the end the 2nd girl left the room and then she started 'beating' me a bit and I asked why? My Chinese is not so good and she does not speak english but she said: you and her NO kiss. ! Turns out she was very angry with me because I kissed her friend. During our own very first session we started kissing after 30 min or so and that was apparently very special to her.
What did I learn from this?
- Kissing is not so normal for all working girls. And if they resist in the beginning and they do it in the end it is considered as very special (at least for some of them)
- Jealously exists (on a significant scale) within the panyu working girls
I 'apologized' at the end and she even said to not call her anymore (like she was my girlfriend. ! And note: I only saw her twice before.)
But when I left she made the sign to call her again and she smiled and gave me a hug. Playing hard to get. Yeah right. Only for money.
Or not? . Who knows. This was just something I wanted to share with you guys. I will never get through this culture
Beijing Fox
05-09-09, 10:52
Saunas are always a bit like a lottery. The experience always depends on what type of girl you end up with. It doesn't depend much on the location
As a frequent visitor to various saunas I would say 10% really good, 50% satisfactory, 40% bad. That is why some guys always re-visit the same girl, once they find a great performer.
A while back I visited Heting Elite Sauna and it was a mixed experience.
The best option of getting there is by taxi. No subway stop nearby.
The facilities are nice and its good that they have a fluent english speaker as manager. The cost was 798 but if you did not want a receipt you got 100 off. Still, in other saunas I have been I have gotten a 90min session and an extra massage for 698.
The room was nice but way to hot. Tried to get the temperature down but it was still somewhat unpleasant.
The session was a standard sauna session with cat bath and hot and cold bbbj. Nothing memorable about the session at all unfortunately. Maybe I was unlucky with the girl I picked, but since I told the manager it was my first time I think he could have suggested a good performer, but instead he left me with only a chinese speaking guy at the fish bowl.
Will try other saunas before I even think about returning.
Blacklisted
05-09-09, 11:34
That's good info, appreciated and apologies for being harsh back there.
What sort of prices are we talking for this neighborhood?
Blacklisted, I wasn't bragging. It's inconvenient and unfortunate that it came across like that, it's one of the perils of typing messages, let alone from my phone. I just happen to do business with many gov. People and I just reported a few things of what I hear.
Anyway, if you check my message history, I have always provided ample information about places, addresses, details etc.
I noticed you're a KTV fan, just like me, so if you're after the low end places, it doesn't get better than Suzhou (proximity wise). For most locals, SZ is Shanghai's playground, it's cheaper and less 'commercial', and it definitely does not attract all the attention of LE and is unaffected by all the international events happening in SH.
I think you would enjoy the 'mini vegas' KTV strip on the outskirts of SZ. The place is known as Mudu Town in pinyin, or? In Mandarin.
Any cab driver knows the place. What you get is about 50 KTV's all lined up for you on both sides of the street. Definitely not high end, and with girls oozing from every establishment, it doesn't get more 'local' than that.
One of the hidden spots is Top Show, trust me, the place is a diamond in the rough. I can't recall the street address on top of my head, but I'll get a card next time I go back in the following weeks.
Peace,
Wobudong
No problem.
Usually a room (they are all smallish), as these aren't the Palace size type KTV's, will run you not more than 1, 000rmb. Tip for the girls are about 200, then if you take out it is between 400 and 600. Keep in mind that I always go there with locals, so your mileage may vary.
The skanky one (Top Show) is a little more than 1000 (all inclusive for the room), but the girls take out tips vary a lot depending on the quality. Let's say 400 for low end up to 1200 for the gems.
Surprisingly, the 151 Club in SH, is not much more expensive, it largely depends if you go for whisky/brandy or stick with beer. Girl take out is between 800 for the 'normal' girls or 1200, for the 'blue-tag' ones who are those cube platform dancer types you see at dance clubs around town.
At 151, several do speak a little English and some are almost fluent.
I'll post the Top Show info most likely in mid June when I am back to SZ.
Cheers,
Wobudong
That's good info, appreciated and apologies for being harsh back there.
What sort of prices are we talking for this neighborhood?
Beijing Fox
05-09-09, 17:53
Jackson is absolutely right in saying that LE knows better about mongering places than we do. This is their job and not their hobby.
However, before every international event like the Olympics or the Expo 'they' get quite paranoid about coverage in the international press about prostitution, sexual traficking, etc. that is why they focus on the 'establishments' frequented by foreigners i.e. Places known to the foreign community. We experienced that in Beijing last year and it will probably be the same for the Expo.
Please be careful with whom you share addresses and telephone numbers. A relative safe way may be to use PM, or request a tel number to response to information requests by sms.
Relaxedinmd
05-09-09, 20:05
So, I'll start by saying I should have done a bit more RTFF before venturing out. After some pleasant experiences in Beijing, I ran into some trouble in Shanghai about. Went to a KTV and after a very short time decided to leave. The "bill" was no where near what was discussed and the more I protested, the more large and angry looking Chinese men showed up. The whole thing set me back over $1, 000 USD. I put it on a credit card (cause I certainly didn't have that kind of cash on me). Has anyone else made this mistake before? Any luck protesting the charge with the CC company? I scrawled a very illegible signature and they did not imprint my card (although they did swipe it). I'm so pissed at myself right now and am hoping there may be some form of recourse.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
I fully agree, Beijing Fox.
- For one, to Jackson's point, LE is REALLY well informed of what's going on, in China of all places. There's no debating that.
-At the same time, to Beijing Fox' point, and repeating myself from a few posts ago, these raids are selective in that they're not aimed at cutting the whole thing down (which could be done in NO TIME if they wished, no more than 2 months), but at PRETENDING that the whole thing is being put under control, just for looks.
-Premium targets are popular Lao Wai joints, as these are the ones that might get wider coverage with local Expat residents and Forums like this one, plus the international press. Who cares in London if a local massage parlor has been raided in Hebei and a bunch of locals taken into custody for a few weeks?
-Local LE can easily get intelligence here on what's popular with Lao Wai, there's no debating that. I'm convinced that B2 ran into hard times in part because of that (linked to maybe connections going sour, etc), and others will too.
-Well connected joints will be tipped off before anything happens, unless something grossly illegal goes on. There's no debating about that. That info is usually passed on to FOREIGN regular customers by the girls themselves.
-Again, I'm not an expert but I think I understand the country reasonably well. You can take my advice for what it's worth, but I'd recommend that visiting Lao Wai:
-Stick to well-known places popular with LOCALS, which means that they have the strongest connections (and will want to avoid the embarrassment of a high-profile official being caught there).
-Sauna joints of less well known LOCAL hotels (like Merrylin Sauna in Pudong, in front of Inter Continental Hotel)
-Small, isolated neighborhood places, NOT being part of a "strip" as was the case in Pudong Nan Lu / Wei Fang Lu BBSs.
-Or take away from places like TRL, where nothing "obvious" happens on the premises.
IMHO, higher risk venues are:
-Sauna places with high Lao Wai to Local Ratio (as was the case with B2).
-In central business areas of town (again, B2).
-Or lower-quality places being part of a strip where it's blatantly obvious what's going on, and neighbors will have complained to LE for sure (such as BBS strip in Pudong Nan Lu). Neighborhood complaints are becoming more and more taken care of these days, and local politicians and media pay a lot of attention to that.
Would I stop mongering altogether these days? No, but I'd certainly keep more vigilant.
Best,
Jackson is absolutely right in saying that LE knows better about mongering places than we do. This is their job and not their hobby.
However, before every international event like the Olympics or the Expo 'they' get quite paranoid about coverage in the international press about prostitution, sexual traficking, etc. that is why they focus on the 'establishments' frequented by foreigners i.e. Places known to the foreign community. We experienced that in Beijing last year and it will probably be the same for the Expo.
Please be careful with whom you share addresses and telephone numbers. A relative safe way may be to use PM, or request a tel number to response to information requests by sms.
So, I'll start by saying I should have done a bit more RTFF before venturing out. After some pleasant experiences in Beijing, I ran into some trouble in Shanghai about. Went to a KTV and after a very short time decided to leave. The "bill" was no where near what was discussed and the more I protested, the more large and angry looking Chinese men showed up. The whole thing set me back over $1, 000 USD. I put it on a credit card (cause I certainly didn't have that kind of cash on me). Has anyone else made this mistake before? Any luck protesting the charge with the CC company? I scrawled a very illegible signature and they did not imprint my card (although they did swipe it). I'm so pissed at myself right now and am hoping there may be some form of recourse.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
Relaxedinmd,
It also happened to me and I felt violated. So, here's what I did. I signed a different name on the receipt, lost the card on a busy street and then reported it lost/stolen. When I checked on recent charges I found one that I did not make and it was removed without any issue. I had to file a claim but got the money back.
Not proud of it but I would do it again as I felt they were fraudulent charges.
MD40
Relaxedinmd
05-10-09, 10:36
Relaxedinmd,
It also happened to me and I felt violated. So, here's what I did. I signed a different name on the receipt, lost the card on a busy street and then reported it lost/stolen. When I checked on recent charges I found one that I did not make and it was removed without any issue. I had to file a claim but got the money back. Not proud of it but I would do it again as I felt they were fraudulent charges. MD40Thanks for the advice. Adding to my stupidity, I did try to use the card at the ATM today. Wonder if that would make the "lost/stolen card" claim any more difficult since obviously the ATM machine will have me on camera attempting to use it today.
Thanks for the tip!
I went ther this afternoon, at least I think I was there.
Reading the forum I exit at Lian Hua Lu Subway station. Took the North exit towards carrefour. However I could not find anything around this big (shopping) building.
Then tried my luck at the other side of the subway line (I would call this east, looking at the map). I walked down Luo xiu Lu and then after a few 100 meter you find many BBS. I walked into one with many young pretty girls. I chose one which was a stunner, wow, never seen that in BBS downtown. She did regular massage, allowed touching, FIV and finished with HJ. All for 50 RMB, not bad at all for about 40 min. FS was not available in this BBS.
It was good, but still don't know if this is what you refer to as Happy town
Anyone advise?
[QUOTE=Ding Ding]Hi,
I would just like to report that happy town (search the forum if you are not familiar with this address) has developed with a lot of new BBS places. Many young and beautiful girls. For a foreigner 150 RMB FS per shot. No need to pay more. A bit annoying are the many police cars going up and down the street.
QUOTE]
Sixty Cent
05-10-09, 14:42
One of my babes sent me a sms to tell me they fixed everything and B2 WP has opened again.
Did not double check yet but I thought people on this forum may be interested.
So, I'll start by saying I should have done a bit more RTFF before venturing out. After some pleasant experiences in Beijing, I ran into some trouble in Shanghai about. Went to a KTV and after a very short time decided to leave. The "bill" was no where near what was discussed and the more I protested, the more large and angry looking Chinese men showed up. The whole thing set me back over $1, 000 USD. I put it on a credit card (cause I certainly didn't have that kind of cash on me). Has anyone else made this mistake before? Any luck protesting the charge with the CC company? I scrawled a very illegible signature and they did not imprint my card (although they did swipe it). I'm so pissed at myself right now and am hoping there may be some form of recourse.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.Dear Relaxedinmd,
1, 5 years ago when having a business trip to Shanghai the same happened to me (when I told them that I do not want the girl to go with me they suddenly served heaps of fruits and drinks. I immediately said I leave; the bill was 10x higher than what I ordered). Sumo ringer behind me. Finally paid by cc, using a wrong signature. Back home in Good Old Europe I refused the payment of this cc invoice.
Story: "I ordered the bill and did the fault to already hand over the card upfront, then they came with this much to high amount, I refused to sign the slip and finally negotiated that they can get all my cash money; unfortunately they did not give me back the already created but NOT signed slip. " I had to make a police note in Germany. Finally got the money back.
Hope this helps you. Good Luck! Shamuc
Vietnamboy
05-10-09, 16:18
Dear All,
Can someone point me to me the exact location of the BBS at Wei Fang Road.
I started walking from Wei Fang Road till the end at Wei Fang West Road, can't see any BBS. Are they closed or are they located in the small lanes? I walk into some other lanes, can only see massage shops but can't find any BBS.
Regards,
Vietnamboy
Why have your PM shut off!
There are several. If you begin at Pudong Lu and head away from the river, there are two which I have not tried on the right side in the first block. There are three massage shops on the same block on the left side. Tequila is the center one. The next shop past it is a BBS which I have sampled and it is a cut above since it has a shower. Then if you cross the next intersection, theres a good one on the right side. Then a couple across from the Intercontinental, plus a really nice massage shop.
Been gone several months but miss the heck out of them!!!
Guybert56
Dear All,
Can someone point me to me the exact location of the BBS at Wei Fang Road.
I started walking from Wei Fang Road till the end at Wei Fang West Road, can't see any BBS. Are they closed or are they located in the small lanes? I walk into some other lanes, can only see massage shops but can't find any BBS.
Regards,
Vietnamboy
So, I'll start by saying I should have done a bit more RTFF before venturing out. After some pleasant experiences in Beijing, I ran into some trouble in Shanghai about. Went to a KTV and after a very short time decided to leave. The "bill" was no where near what was discussed and the more I protested, the more large and angry looking Chinese men showed up. The whole thing set me back over $1, 000 USD. I put it on a credit card (cause I certainly didn't have that kind of cash on me). Has anyone else made this mistake before? Any luck protesting the charge with the CC company? I scrawled a very illegible signature and they did not imprint my card (although they did swipe it). I'm so pissed at myself right now and am hoping there may be some form of recourse.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.There are a great number of rip off KTV's in Shanghai. You may have been lucky enough to have found one on your own, but generally these are the places a tout will take you to. Never, ever go to any place recommended by a tout, taxi driver or other Chinese person you don't know. Even if you meet a girl on the street and she wants to take you somewhere, don't go. Your story is exactly how it works, there is never any girl or a good time, it is always a large bill with lots of big Chinese guys. More so, I would never go to a KTV on my own, only in a group with at least someone who has been there before and knows the place. KTV's are expensive in their own right, but the good one's can be fun. The large one's with lots of people coming and going are generally safe. A small one, with no people, almost hidden, is a big danger sign. Once you are in one of these places, you will not get out without a fight or payment. Any place that starts putting things in front of you without your ordering it from a menu, has you in big trouble. The Julu Lu bars were also known for this in the past, but seem to have cleaned up their act somewhat. Regardless, I don't go there on my own either. Its not just Shanghai either, there are these places in the other cities throughout China. The other scam that is very popular, a large group of foreigners go into a bar, having a good time with many girls. The bill comes and it seems as if you've bought drinks for the whole city. I saw one group, two hours, and their bill was 45, 000 RMB. This was on Tongren Lu too. Always watch your bill and never let the girls order drinks on their own. My opinion is that China is not the place to go looking on your own for that out of the way place not frequented by tourists and given an opportunity even the safest places will look to rip you off.
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One Eyed Man
05-11-09, 00:03
The "bill" was no where near what was discussed and the more I protested, the more large and angry looking Chinese men showed up. The whole thing set me back over $1, 000 USD. I put it on a credit card (cause I certainly didn't have that kind of cash on me).
This sounds like a thuggy variant of the "Shanghai Teahouse Scam," where some pretty young thing shows you around town and finally to a teahouse, where she orders things off a Chinese menu you can't read and are presented with an astronomical bill. I think I've heard of people involving the police and/or their credit-card companies to get the charge nullified.
Hello everybody,
Following my latest post, I have not received much recommendations from you on my quest of girls with very large tits in Shanghai.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on some BBS, saunas or appartment girls with VERY LARGE racks...
I am not interested not the usually push-up bra C cups that you see in many places around town but the ones with really heavy breast, sometimes from over-sized girls and plumps.
I will be happy to share my own contacts if any of you like the same type of girls, just PM me.
Fredje1961
05-11-09, 04:19
Hi guys,
After my stay in Zhuhai, I'm off to Shanghai.
As my first visit to sauna wasn't too successful (see my report in the Zhuhai section), and as my mandaring language skills are almost zero, I think I'll stay away from saunas for the time being (also RTFF about LE going to saunas).
I might try to find a freelancer in the discos on Tongren Lu or similar places or in my hotel (staying in a hotel near Peoples Square). Any specific recommendations? I have a week spot for the philippinas, but any other GFE-like girl is ok.
Thanks,
F
Makeupaname
05-11-09, 06:39
The majority of the filipinas on Tongren now are at Manhattans. There are so many in there now that most will agree to 800RMB LT
Judys has a new rule that the working girls can enter anytime, but they can not exit until 4AM unless they are escorted by a male.
Mock A Bee
05-11-09, 09:10
Jackson is absolutely right in saying that LE knows better about mongering places than we do. This is their job and not their hobby.
However, before every international event like the Olympics or the Expo 'they' get quite paranoid about coverage in the international press about prostitution, sexual traficking, etc. that is why they focus on the 'establishments' frequented by foreigners i.e. Places known to the foreign community. We experienced that in Beijing last year and it will probably be the same for the Expo.
Please be careful with whom you share addresses and telephone numbers. A relative safe way may be to use PM, or request a tel number to response to information requests by sms.
I agree, LE know way more about mongering places than we ever will. They all know who run these places, how they operate, etc.
Saunas and other places in the mongering trade can't open their doors unless there is a monthly "red envelope" involved.
For those of you who can't figure out who gets the red envelope you have a lot more to learn how things in China work.
MAB
Beijing Fox
05-11-09, 11:06
If you're interested, I can put you in contact with a big Mongolian girl with big, big breasts in Beijing.She can squeeze all that little seeds out of you.
Hello everybody,
Following my latest post, I have not received much recommendations from you on my quest of girls with very large tits in Shanghai.
I wonder if you have any recommendations on some BBS, saunas or appartment girls with VERY LARGE racks...
I am not interested not the usually push-up bra C cups that you see in many places around town but the ones with really heavy breast, sometimes from over-sized girls and plumps.
I will be happy to share my own contacts if any of you like the same type of girls, just PM me.
I gave Wullumuqi Bei Lu 209 a try today. Its convenient to the subway and the room is pretty comfortable. The selection of girls was not so great and could not see 61 around. So I took a shot at number 5. She brought in a friend number 8 who seemed much more into me than number 5. I was thinking if I should switch girls at that point but not sure how that would go over.
Number 5 went through the routine and got the job done, but can't rank it too high. Might have to go back and try out another girl in the future.
After B2 was closed and I could not find directions to Zhongtan, I followed the directions to "JJs" or should I say "Golden 18 Club"? Maybe we are talking about two different places, but that was the one I found in that building (Wullumuqi Bei Lu 209, 5th floor). Super-easy to find.
The place was great! The rooms all are in different styles, have a large shower to do the soapie or even Jakuzzi. All nicely decorated and clean, much better than Sacrosa or even SH hotel sauna in my opinion. Staff are very friendly.
The lineup in the afternoon (4pm) was about 10 girls, all from 6 upwards up to 9s. I gave the one with the largest grin a try, though she was "only" 8. Number 61, name Ling. Best choice ever.
During our first session that day when she showered me the door openend and a second girl came in. Although I have bad experience with two girls in China, I agreed for her to stay. They both cleaned me in the shower but I was only giving 61 attention, touched and kissed her gently until she finally opened up and we started deep kissing. The second one suddenly left and was never seen again. Not to worry: 61 did the soapy which I found rather silly but the way she did it made it still enjoyable. I was worried though that almost 50mins were gone, so I urged to move on to the bed and I made her hot by kissing her cute budy and then doing DATY. She screamed for enjoyment. We basically did it three times andd each time it was truly great. Total cost 790 for two (! ) hours with no rush and almost real GFE.
No wonder I went back there the next two evenings, each time around 11pm. Again good lineup but I selected 61 eveytime. Each time multiple positions, lots of kissing, playing in the Jakuzzi. You name it. A real Chinese GF. Only problem was her very limited english, so I did not care to take her phone number (how should I arrange anything? )
Hope the place survives the crackdowns until my next visit!
Deluxe Tickets
05-11-09, 19:19
I will be going to Shanghai tomorrow. I was looking forward very much to trying out the following saunas:
1) Shanghai Hotel
2) 999
3) Sacrosa
4) Heting
5) B2
After reading about some of the busts, a little concerned about LE. I cannot cannot cannot afford to be arrested in China! Could members please tell me which saunas should be safe, and which to avoid? I read a lot about raids and B2, but also saw a report that it had been re-opened. Not sure what that means to the current chances of being busted. Please advise!
Many thanks.
Formerlybnc
05-12-09, 08:01
Makeupaname,
You mentioned Fili girls that are 800? What about ST?
How can they charge way more than Chinese? The Philipines is poor. Surprised they can get away with that.
I am interested to try but not at that price.
F
Formerlybnc
05-12-09, 08:11
Guys,
I see a few scam reports, so I will report some past experiences and near misses.
1. I was walking around some BBS which was near a construction area. Some woman on a bike rode by and ask if I want to massage. She only asked for 50rmb which was the first tip off.
I followed her with my guard up. Into some local klaptrap housing, in a room, locked the door and it had a very "romantic" decorated bed. She told me to undress, lay down and start the massage. I told her to lay undress and lay down first. She continually pushed me to and not her. I knew this was a scam so just as I collect my things and open the door, another Chinese guy was tryong to quietly open the door. If I was lucky the worst would have been that he would steal my stuff, or not lucky he would try to threaten me. I walked out just as he was trying to walk in and he was surprised to see me. Be on high alert following girls into places you are not familiar.
2. Recently on Chang Hua rd, I met several bike girls. One really cute one. They asked me to follow them but I wouldn't. 2 of them agreed to find anyplace, hotel, my room, outside and they can do the deed. In this case maybe it is safer since they are not bringing you to a preset rip off place.
3. Another time I did a Tong Ren lu I picked up some street girl and we went to a secluded place in a park. After doing her doggie, I noticed my 1, 200rmb gone from my pocket. I checked her pockets and bag and nothing.
Later I realized that as she was bent over, she can dig in my pocket, shove it in her socks and I would never notice. Now I move my money and phone to either a shirt or jacket pocket where she can't reach it.
There are tea house, and KTV scams which I have been lucky to avoid.
Fbnc
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White Dragon
05-12-09, 09:01
tried out a crusty sauna place opposite crowne plaza hotel puxi. have no idea of the side street, but the hotel/theatre complex also fronts xinhua lu.
staff werent really helpful and the furnishings are cheap. i was feeling sketchy going in. had a shower and waited in a room until the manager sent in about 5 girls. none of them really knocked me out. manager spoke some english and wanted me to take 158 who was tall with huge breasts but she didn't really appeal to me so i chose a shy 126.
she led me to a sparse room with a mirrow, one cheap painting and a bed. she looked very shy and perhaps a little nervous so i hugged and started kissing her. without storming onto her duties she let ne slowly undress her and dfk her. hmm. maybe i can crack a gfe out of this? as her clothes peeled off she revealed a nice set of breasts and decent enough body. she let me devour all her body and while she started out shy, she was soon moaning with a wet, wimpering orgasm. great stuff. she seemed highly suprised by it and was now all smiles instead of her initial cold shy 'why am i doing this job' attitude. i moved onto main course and was able to last a good deal of time with her. she didn't really do much but thats ok. i sometimes can't last long when the usual sauna girls go through their check lists endlessly ggetting yo hard and soft and then leave you 5 minutes of time for the good stuff at the end. it was nice for a change to be in control and not endure endless catbaths and spitting into buckets. we tried multiple positions, kissing the whole time and finally rammed home like a 100m track athlete pistoning away. she loved it. while shy, she seemed to really open up from the gfe and appeared to be a caring girl deep down rather than a sexy or fun girl. she gently wiped away my mess and sweaty body, cuddled me, gave me her ph number and i left back for the outside world.
i've had a lot of automated experiences with sauna's in shanghai lately (with the exception of heting) and it was enjoyable to have more 'loving' sex despite the dive venue.
looks: 7
body: 8 (good tits)
attitude: shy
gfe: 8
price: 680rmb...expensive considering
After a 6 month hiatus, I have returned to SH. This time on the Pusi side. Hope to find some comfort spots closer to the domestic airport.
GB56
Relaxedinmd
05-12-09, 21:22
This sounds like a thuggy variant of the "Shanghai Teahouse Scam," where some pretty young thing shows you around town and finally to a teahouse, where she orders things off a Chinese menu you can't read and are presented with an astronomical bill. I think I've heard of people involving the police and/or their credit-card companies to get the charge nullified.Too all of you that have offered some advice on this subject, looks like the CC company is going to remove the charge. What a relief! I'm no longer in Shanghai, but will be again for a few months early next year. Never again will I get into something that hasn't been discussed here.
If anyone needs any help on the East coast in the states, feel free to PM me.
Makeupaname
05-13-09, 02:42
Makeupaname,
You mentioned Fili girls that are 800? What about ST?
How can they charge way more than Chinese? The Philipines is poor. Surprised they can get away with that.
I am interested to try but not at that price.
F
Yes it is a higher price than a chines girl on a bike or a chinese street walker that would agree to sex in a park. But inside the bars on Tongren if you ask a girl to give a price for LT, the 1st quote will probably be around 2000 RMB. It does not matter where the girl comes from. chinese, viet, philippines. if you want cheap try a bbs.
800 is just a reasonable amount that most filipinas would agree to. a few might hold out for 1000. if they like you, theyre drunk, they really need money, maybe you could get LT for 600 but probably the 1st girl you ask for 600 will say no and spread the word youre cheap.
for me i think the price is reasonable for LT for a horny filipina, it usually means 2 pops at night and one in the morning. not sure about ST because I never do.
Formerlybnc
05-13-09, 02:57
After a 6 month hiatus, I have returned to SH. This time on the Pusi side. Hope to find some comfort spots closer to the domestic airport.
GB56Guybert,
Not sure if you are a BBS or Sauna guy but there is 1 BBS inside the Hong Qiao airport hotel. Either from the airport or outside parking, you can walk into the hotel lobby, walk toward the elevators in the back of the lobby. There is a hair salon which offers massage. The girls are pretty obviously offering other things.
Around the HQ airport area there are tons of BBS and Saunas. Just start canvasing up and down the roads surrounding that area. You will surely find what you want.
Beijing Fox
05-13-09, 11:24
Please don't forget, this country is run by a triad/mafia group who have branded themselves as Communist Party. Most Chinese people have been tricked into believing it is an ideology.
There is no objection against prostitution, as long as a) they get their cut and b) it is kept under cover
Violations to one or both of these two rules will lead to raids and or closure. If you want to play safe, stick to establishments obliging to these two basic rules. However, as a visitor it is not easy to know which of them do. RTFF to find out which have done so for a period of time and will do so in the future
I will be going to Shanghai tomorrow. I was looking forward very much to trying out the following saunas:
1) Shanghai Hotel
2) 999
3) Sacrosa
4) Heting
5) B2
After reading about some of the busts, a little concerned about LE. I cannot cannot cannot afford to be arrested in China! Could members please tell me which saunas should be safe, and which to avoid? I read a lot about raids and B2, but also saw a report that it had been re-opened. Not sure what that means to the current chances of being busted. Please advise!
Many thanks.
Wandered the length of xiaomuqiao, only one BBS open. It's day is done, even the ones around the corner are kind of depressing. There's a new strip out near the Marriott Hongqiao, Hongzhong lu. From Marriott walk toward the Yanan Lu overpass and keep trucking and ye shall find. RMB150 for BBBJ.
Thomas Jefferson
05-14-09, 03:58
I was looking forward to shanghai saunas for a long time, but here is my update from yesterday 13 may:
B2 closed
Jiyuan (my favourite) closed
Shanghai hotel closed.
Beware: in front the closed doors from shanghai hotel there are standing 3-4 touts, here is my conversation with them:
"hello, welcome, sorry we are closed, move to another location!" (first red light blinking).
"i am the manager, i can bring you to the new place" (second red light - 100% scam allert!
"where is the new address?"
"just 2 min by taxi, very close"
"why you dont make a sign with new address here?"
"no no, we dont want, we bring our customers personally" (who believes)
"i can go by myself, just give me the address"
"no, i will bring you, we have pretty girls they to BJ and sex, only 400rmb"
"how about red rope, massage etc" (he obiously did not know what is red rope)
"you come, see first"
"no thanks bye"
As many members said before: "dont ever go with touts" no need to add anything else!
Be carefull
Thomas jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
05-14-09, 04:13
After most saunas closed I decided to find bbs, and I found some.
I lived in the new asia hotel shanghai, 10min walk to the bund. Old from outside, rooms very modern. They have "sauna" and massage in the house, but when I checked no girls there.
In front the hotel always some touts, very aggressive to any male person going in and out, just ignore them.
Near by is a small street (zha pu street, foto attached) packed with restaurants and massage shops, around 7-8 of them are not into massage at all, typical bbs style, girls waiving you in. Some are real massage places, I even saw blond european girls go in for massage.
The bbs quote 200-300 for FS, some really cute girls there. I ask one girl come with me to my hotelroom (from the first bbs on the right when enter the street). 300 for 45 min.
She did a good job, but nothing special. Asked to stay whole night for 1000rmb, I refused.
Later I asked her to send her friend (anyone ok, they all looked ok) in about 1 hour later. In time another cute girl arrived, she did a very good job. I got her number later and will call her from my new hotel and will let her stay longer than one hour only!
See the fotos of Zhapu Road attached and have fun!
Thomas Jefferson
Beijing Fox
05-14-09, 04:22
There is sauna in the airport compound - actually it is linked to the terminal building. An oil massage can be upgraded to FS. You have to negotiate hard as they are used to 'tourists' who don't know about the standard rates.
Guybert,
Not sure if you are a BBS or Sauna guy but there is 1 BBS inside the Hong Qiao airport hotel. Either from the airport or outside parking, you can walk into the hotel lobby, walk toward the elevators in the back of the lobby. There is a hair salon which offers massage. The girls are pretty obviously offering other things.
Around the HQ airport area there are tons of BBS and Saunas. Just start canvasing up and down the roads surrounding that area. You will surely find what you want.
White Dragon
05-14-09, 07:02
There's a new strip out near the Marriott Hongqiao, Hongzhong lu. From Marriott walk toward the Yanan Lu overpass and keep trucking and ye shall find. RMB150 for BBBJ.That 'new' strip is hongzhou lu near chengjiaxiao lu, amongst greasy repair shops. Most of the girls looked average at best when i went today but a girl in a red skirt and black fishnets did catch my eye so i ventured into her shop. She led me upstairs to a 'secret' loft with LOW ceilings and quoted me 200rmb for FS. Allready cheap i didn't even bother to negotiate. In a flash she removed her fishnets, panties and my gear and started the rodeo off in cowgirl. After a while I flipped her over like a pancake on a hotplate into missionary where she seemed to enjoy some slower deep grinding. Flipped her over again and rammed home doggy style like a werewolf on mescalin. Wiped and paid up and hit the road again. A 20 miute lunchtime bonanza.
Seems like the pre-Expo shutdown is on. The following all appear to be closed: Jiyuan on Jiaozhou Lu, Wisdom Spring on Changshou Lu, Xiaomuqiao Lu bbs, Kangding Lu bbs, Xuanhua Lu bbs.
Careful out there.
Yellow Fever #2
05-14-09, 23:58
Makeupaname,
You mentioned Fili girls that are 800? What about ST?
How can they charge way more than Chinese? The Philipines is poor. Surprised they can get away with that.
I am interested to try but not at that price.
F
I and several of my friends from Netherlands have generally be able to get just about any PI girls LT for 500 RMB just about anytime after midnight. Why pay more? The most i ever paid for a filipina in TRL was 700RMB. (No I do not take the LBs)
In my opinion, the actual negotiating is part of the fun.
Try and ye shall succeed.
Also be aware that some of the PI girls are MUCH older (10 years or more) than they claim.
Have fun.
Sixty Cent
05-15-09, 12:01
After a 6 month hiatus, I have returned to SH. This time on the Pusi side. Hope to find some comfort spots closer to the domestic airport.
GB56Glad to see you back Guybert! Girls will all be excited!
Beijing Fox
05-16-09, 06:42
Visited the massage place across the street from the Hilton Hotel on the crossing with Changsu Rd.
I had a tall slim and verry good looking girl from Nanjing who spoke some English. Apparently most of their customers are foreigners and I was under the impression that they usuall try to exploit 'ignorance' to the fullest.
First, of all they wanted to take me to the massage room without showing me the menu. I assume they would have quoted a higher price afterwards. I insisted on seeing the menu and chose a 90 min oil massage for RMB200 which is reasonable.
The massage itself was so so and after flipping over she started to massage my nipples and soon asked me whether I wanted a HJ. I asked her for her price, but she promted me to make an offer. I offered RMB100, but she wouldn't do it for that amount and wanted RMB300 quoting that this shop is more expensive than others. I just laughed and refused that. After we settled at RMB200 she gave a very good HJ which was worth to pay a bit more. All together RMB400 for 90 min oil massage + very good HJ. Yes expensive, but still tolerable and a nice experience. She was friendly, not rushed and never tried to pressure.
Blacklisted
05-16-09, 07:26
That 'new' strip is hongzhou lu near chengjiaxiao lu, amongst greasy repair shops. Most of the girls looked average at best when i went today but a girl in a red skirt and black fishnets did catch my eye so i ventured into her shop. She led me upstairs to a 'secret' loft with LOW ceilings and quoted me 200rmb for FS. Allready cheap i didn't even bother to negotiate. In a flash she removed her fishnets, panties and my gear and started the rodeo off in cowgirl. After a while I flipped her over like a pancake on a hotplate into missionary where she seemed to enjoy some slower deep grinding. Flipped her over again and rammed home doggy style like a werewolf on mescalin. Wiped and paid up and hit the road again. A 20 miute lunchtime bonanza.
Man, seriously funny shit!
A few weeks ago I left XinTiandi with a Chinese girl from Harbin who called herself XiaXia. It was LT for 100rmb.
Back at my place she was fine. Dine at the Y, BBBJ, covered FS, multiple positions.
In the morning, after I got out of the shower, I came out of the bathroom and saw her snooping in one of my drawers. When it was time to leave I went to get my watch and it was not where I had put it the night before, and there was 500rmb missing from my pocket.
I made a show of looking for my watch and told her I couldn't find it and that I must have misplaced it the night before (not). She volunteered to help me look and then told me I should check my closet, which I had already done, and lo and behold, there it was.
I expected this behaviour from her so knew where anything of value in my apt was, and glad I made sure of that beforehand as she confirmed my reason for distrust.
On the other hand, I have been seeing a Pinoy and I trust her 99%. I gave her opportunities to take some money by leaving some around, as well as my watch, etc. , but she never did the wrong thing. Not saying I would trust all Pinoys, but anyway, just a reminder to watch your stuff.
Read in one of the previous posts about the guy who followed the bike girl to a room and stumbled over the Chinese guy that was trying to sneak in to snatch his goods. I didn't know China had this scam but it doesn't surprise me. Experienced the same in KL a few years ago, but was careful enough not to fall for it.
A few weeks ago I left XinTiandi with a Chinese girl from Harbin who called herself XiaXia. It was LT for 100rmb.
Back at my place she was fine. Dine at the Y, BBBJ, covered FS, multiple positions.
In the morning, after I got out of the shower, I came out of the bathroom and saw her snooping in one of my drawers. When it was time to leave I went to get my watch and it was not where I had put it the night before, and there was 500rmb missing from my pocket.
I made a show of looking for my watch and told her I couldn't find it and that I must have misplaced it the night before (not). She volunteered to help me look and then told me I should check my closet, which I had already done, and lo and behold, there it was.
I expected this behaviour from her so knew where anything of value in my apt was, and glad I made sure of that beforehand as she confirmed my reason for distrust.
On the other hand, I have been seeing a Pinoy and I trust her 99%. I gave her opportunities to take some money by leaving some around, as well as my watch, etc. , but she never did the wrong thing. Not saying I would trust all Pinoys, but anyway, just a reminder to watch your stuff.
Read in one of the previous posts about the guy who followed the bike girl to a room and stumbled over the Chinese guy that was trying to sneak in to snatch his goods. I didn't know China had this scam but it doesn't surprise me. Experienced the same in KL a few years ago, but was careful enough not to fall for it.
100RMB for a XTD girl LT????? Surely you jest ! !
ES
JohnThomas0519
05-18-09, 03:17
Hey bros,
Will be in pvg next weekend.
Anyone interested in some company mongering in this hot weather kindly pm me.
Hi there,
I am on a very tight schedule. I have been staying in Beijing so far but we decided to go to shanghai for a couple of days tomorrow. I will basically have two days there. So basically I need a recommendation for some nice FS sauna that will satisfy my urges. I went to the Regencia in Beijing and although the massage was great the girl wasn't hot so the sex was very awkward. As I will be travelling with like 10 friends, there is no way I could do outcall stuff, I'll just be able to slip their company for an evening at best so I was wondering if anyone could recommend either
- a spa that provides FS with some actually attractive girls (I like slim, not short, long hair, cute and NOT fake breasts)
- a place where the massage isn't all that important.
I have never been to shanghai before so I really don't know the city at all so if you could give me the adresses in Chinese characters, it would be amazingly awesome.
Sorry for the short notice
Cheers
Member #4214
05-18-09, 04:56
Outrageous ...
http://slamxhype.com/blogs/shanghai-that-extra-mile/
White Dragon
05-18-09, 06:27
Tried Wuzhong lu strip today just near Songyuan lu. There are about 4 or 5 salons there. Looking more like legit hairdressers than massage. I went into the 1st one closest to the volvo store. Picked a mombshell. Man she was goreous. Tall shaply body, nice breasts, great skin, hair and legs. Incredible cute and sexy. 9. 5/10
Her name was Wu Xiao Lian I think. 24 from Fujian. She wore a slinky blue dress and in the room took it all off so I could touch her wherever. No lame pulling down skirts but completely nude. Nice.
She proceeded to give me a nice slow massage and HJ cuddling and kissing the whole time. No rush, no treating junior like a construction jackhammer. Very GFE. It was a suprise change from the usual bbs girls you find. Normally I leave once done but I stayed as long as I could to enjoy this beauty. She really enjoys hugs at the end. Maybe she thought I could be her boyfriend la. Damage 200rmb for about 1 hr. Expensive for a bbs but worth it considering the girl. I saw some other stunners along that strip on the way out.
White Dragon
05-18-09, 06:45
Outrageous ...
http://slamxhype.com/blogs/shanghai-that-extra-mile/Crazy, don't know i'd want to be on a bench right next other men like the photo though. Some privacy would be appreciated. Some of the girls look cute - wonder if you can feel them up.
100RMB for a XTD girl LT????? Surely you jest ! !
ES100RMB LT is absolutely not a first in China.
I have even scored 70RMB ... or 50 for happy ending only.
Anyone sticking with KTV, SPA, flashing neon lights clubs, or downtown large cities will never have a change to experienced China's generous sexual freedom.
Take your car, drive miles and miles; trust me paradise is at the corner.
Made my virgin trip to China. I have never been to Asia and speak no Chinese. Here is my trip report for Shanghai.
I visited a foot massage place by the IBC coffee located fifth floor at 5F. It’s mentioned here a few times, or at least I think this was the place. It was one of the few times in mongering that I have been refused at least a HJ. I walked in and asked for the oil massage for an hour. I was worried that this might not be the right choice but I could not communicate with the gal at the counter. I figured a big white guy coming in alone and asking for an oil massage was pretty obvious what I wanted. I get to the room and massage begins. After about 40 mins of the massage she still had not given me any hint of going near the boys. I started to grab at her ass, offered tips, and even stuck her hand down my pajamas at one point to give her the hint. She gave me a playful squeeze and was a good sport about it all but in the end just said "No. Get in trouble". She kept trying to upsell me for 2 hours and I kept asking if the second hour include HJ but she always said no. I was stunned – I had gotten shot down in a Shanghai massage parlor. Wow. I got dressed paid the 200rmb and left completely blue balled and slightly sticky from the oil. Obviously I did something wrong but I cannot recommend this place for nubes.
Had a beer at the café right next door and pulled out plan B. Plan B was some rough directions I had written down to a place called 999. Our hotel was on the Pudong side so I had initially ruled this place out as being too far away. However, after the previous experience I needed to go with a sure thing. I resolved myself to find the subway and get to this place. It took me a while but I finally found it. The poster who gave directions saying take the subway train 4 and use exit 3, walk past the stadium until you see 999 on your left is the guy who saved me. I thank him for what turned out to be a great monger experience for me.
It took me about 90 mins to get there and I was hot and tired as I walked up the steps. Before I even made it to the door I was wooshed inside and immediately taken to the dressing room. Wooshed is a good word because I bet in less than a minute they had me in the dressing room with all my clothes off. All that was said was "This way, please take off clothes for shower" I liked the efficiency, although it was weird having three young guys "help" you disrobe. I had no idea how this place worked, how much this place even cost or what was the menu or anything. I showered and was led upstairs where I had my first fishbowl experience. I’m a newbie so to the veterans this must be not be a big deal but I was blown away. They open a curtain and reveal about 16 girls all standing Miss America style in two rows. I’m overwhelmed, its great. They had a nice mix of shapes, sizes, age, etc. It took me about a minute of looking up and down before I began to get nervous that I was taking too long. I wondered if the girls could see me and started to feel a little embarrassed that I was taking a while. There was a cute one that appeared to be smiling right at me. I asked the guy if any of them liked white guys and he said he didn’t speak English. So I picked the girl who was smiling at me. She was number 903. She was petite but had a little cleavage showing and was wearing this little tiara. As soon as I say the number the guy calls her name, the curtain closes, and I can see all the girls begin to disperse behind the glass.
My girl comes out and seems a little stunned when she sees me. I’m 6’3" and about 220 and she looks to be about 5"1 and 110. But she smiles, grabs my hand and away we go. We make it to the room and she speaks zero English. Nothing. I give up telling her its my first time here and just let her lead the show. She starts to undress and has a nice body. She then takes off her high heels which were very tall, almost stripper shoes. Without her heels she is now under 5 feet tall! We laugh as she puts herself up next to me and we look in the mirror. Shes naked now except for her earrings and the tiara. I’m glad she kept the tiara on. She is like a little princess and looks very sweet. We start off in the shower and she rubs herself all over me with soap. We then go to the air mattress and we are all slippery with soap suds. My body is long and hers is so small that I am literally like a slip and slide for her. She slides her naked body all the way down to my feet and then flings herself up so she slides along my body all the way passed my head. The first time she did this I was not ready and let out a "wow" when she did it. At one point she straddles me and starts grinding her little hairy pussy on the shaft of my dick. She then takes my dick and tucks it under her ass and then grinds again on the shaft. With the warm soap and her wet pussy on my shaft it feels like I’m fucking her. Its great.
She indicates we are done here and dries me off and leads me to the bed. She starts with a massage that quickly turns into BBBJ with her using some hot water. She then ties a scarf to the top of the bed and does red rope. This is also a first for me and one of those things I’m glad I got to experience. She is so small but strong. While she was doing the performance I kept saying "wow" because I was just in awe of what this little girl could do. She comes down and begins repeating that word back to me – "Wow". I then point at her body and repeat it back to her. We have some playful banter with this and she slowly goes back to BBBJ. I think it would have been a struggle for me to get inside her because she is so petite and she seems to know this too so she is very committed to this BJ, which is what I prefer anyway. After some time I’m about to blow and as a courtesy I try to tell her in case she does not want cim. I squeeze her arm and warn her again but instead of pulling away she dives back down on it. Either she misunderstood or was hungry. So I now get to add BBBJCIM to my list which is something I have not had in years. After she finishes me I think shes a little surprised by the volume of the release. Remember I had that 5F experience prior to this so I was a little pent up. She looks at me and says WOW. We both laugh.
She takes me back into the shower and once again cleans me from top to bottom. We dry off and while I’m sitting on the bed still catching my breath she climbs in my lap and we cuddle. I can look at her closely now and she has pretty eyes and still has on her tiara. I’m stuck by how lucky a person I am to get to do this and how this is going to be one of those memories I will hold with me for a while. I tell her thank you. She leans over and makes a call on the phone and the girl on the other end asks if everything was good. Oh, yes. I get dressed back in my pajamas and my girl takes me downstairs and says goodbye. I’m not sure what is tipping policy here. I certainly don’t want to be rude but all my clothes and money are in the locker so I can't give her a tip even if I want to. I’m taken to a little waiting room with recliners where I sip tea and eat little cherry tomatoes. I’m the only one in the room. After this I go back and get my clothes, get dressed, and go pay. I was quoted 650rmb I think. I’m short of cash so pay most of it in cash and they put the remaining on my credit card. I catch subway back to pudong where I tell family I had a great time site seeing.
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Blacklisted
05-18-09, 13:54
Dudes,
Anyone keen on joining some senior members for a KTV night this Weds pls. PM me for details.
Will be checking a lower priced place in Jing An.
Cheers,
-BL
Hey Boulaman:
welcome to Shanghai. We are all here to make sure your trip is pleasant. Sorry you don't have much time.
For a full service sauna, I suggest going to a website called "International Sex Guide". You can go to a forum dedicated to China, and even more exciting - there is even a folder dedicated only to mongering in Shanghai ! I know, pretty freaking amazing.
Anyway, in that Shanghai folder at the "International Sex Guide" website, you will find plenty of field reports that give you exactly the information you are looking for.
Have an amazingly awesome time, dude ! bu-bye !
100RMB LT is absolutely not a first in China.
I have even scored 70RMB ... or 50 for happy ending only.
Anyone sticking with KTV, SPA, flashing neon lights clubs, or downtown large cities will never have a change to experienced China's generous sexual freedom.
Take your car, drive miles and miles; trust me paradise is at the corner.
Sure you can find RMB100 poontang many places in China if you "drive miles and miles", but not at XTD!
ES
Finally back after getting a proxy server....hate the China firewall..
Good to see Blacklisted and other senior members are still around. Business is still going as usual... hope thats the same for all members...
Just to let ppl know, sauna across from Crowne Plazza is on the corner of fahuazhen road and Panyu Road.
Also I believe the whole Ji Yuan group is done with... Ji Yuan 3 changed names.
Many handjob places on Wuzhong Road past Guilin road....100RMB
Village is still around at 150 a shot....
As for TRL, enjoy it well it lasts... When Shangri-la opens its moviing... girls go down in price after midnight... 600 or so max 1000... now with Visas getting very very hard to get for the girls they are trying to go for the bigger kills...
Cheers all...
forgot...
that paying for sex in Shanghai article is quite outdated...
Shanghai Daily printed an article interviewing Renai Hospital which was the hospital in question... they said it is not in any way true...
just to let u all know
Can someone help here with regards to Happy town location?
I tried the below but still not sure if this is right.
Thanks!
Reading the forum I exit at Lian Hua Lu Subway station. Took the North exit towards carrefour. However I could not find anything around this big (shopping) building.
Then tried my luck at the other side of the subway line (I would call this east, looking at the map). I walked down Luo xiu Lu and then after a few 100 meter you find many BBS. I walked into one with many young pretty girls. I chose one which was a stunner, wow, never seen that in BBS downtown. She did regular massage, allowed touching, FIV and finished with HJ. All for 50 RMB, not bad at all for about 40 min. FS was not available in this BBS.
It was good, but still don't know if this is what you refer to as Happy town
Anyone advise?
Applecrate
05-19-09, 15:06
after looking in the abbreviations section, i couldn't locate the necessary terminology to describe various shanghai mongering moments, things, and situations. accordingly, i had to consider some new terminology to, well, describe things.
php. pommel horse practice – when the girl playfully swings her leg across the top while you're on your back as if she's going to 'mount-up' for cowgirl. instead, she fakes the mount and sits between your legs for a hand job. the move looks a lot like a gymnast mounting a pommel horse.
phe. pommel horse event – same as pommel horse practice except the girl quickly and playfully swings across the top of you and mounts up for cowgirl.
bare jam – usually takes place as an unexpected part of a pommel horse event. girl playfully swings her leg across the top early in the session. you've got no raincoat yet, and you're definitely not controlling the fast-paced action. as she quickly swings across, she "jams home your bare dick". hence, bare jam.
cglide. canyon glide – while doing a face-to-face body-to- body soapy slide, your hard dick magically slips between her thighs and "glides into her canyon". this can also happen in massage parlors when you're doing naked body-to-body body glides with massage oil.
mhto. mile high thigh oil – prior to a face-to-face body-slide using massage oil, the girl puts extra oil the tops and insides of her thighs. this facilitates a good thigh fucking, or the occasional canyon glide moment.
all pro – providers who are clearly a cut above the rest. technique, attitude, looks, never complaining about size, these girls are in a different league, always aiming to please. many of them carry a pro tool kit.
ptk. pro tool kit – contains just about everything: pop rocks candy, lube in a squirt bottle, baby oil, condoms, beaver bullets, vibrating toys, handy wipes, ky in a tube, mouthwash in a spray bottle, and gum, among other things.
bob are. – that's the name she's calling you. i think of it as chinese for "daddy" (baba). when they slur the word "baba" while your banging away, it sounds just like they're saying "bob-are".
bb. beaver bullets – rendell's contraceptive pessaries. they are rounded on one end for easy insertion in the xiao didi. they are about the size of the end of your thumb. active agent is nonoxynol 95%. beaver bullets are also called "governors mints" after current pennsylvania governor, ed rendell.
prop & load – one foot on the floor and one foot on the massage table to "prop and load" the beaver bullets.
dburn. daty o'burn – dining at the y if the provider has been using beaver bullets. nonoxynol has been known to irritate things.
ng. ninja grease – providers who use the squirt bottle lube in a very skillful way. many times, unless you're watching closely, you'll miss the fact that its used at all. many of the girls will put the lube in the upper right hand portion of the massage table under the edge of the towel on the pillow. it's easily accessible from here without causing a distraction. if the girl is on her knees giving a bj and you're in the side of the table, she can ease her right hand on the to the lube bottle, get a squirt, and lube her canyon walls while she's squatting. kind of sneaky, hence ninja grease.
p&s. peel & sniff – provider peels off the condom and gives it a quick whiff to make sure you shot your load. if you're exhausted and don't shoot, or a condom is too tight and you can't shoot, they'll figure it out. if you've got a super pro on your hands, then see wait indy.
call for pitchout – when going bareback a girl pats on her stomach thus indicating to shoot the load on the outside. three pats on the stomach is usually the hand signal for a pitch out. also referred to as "dit dit dit" for the morse code letter "s" for stomach.
wait indy – stands for wait i'm not done yet. maybe you're rally tired, jet lagged, whatever. but for some reason, you're not able to pop. your provider happens to be a super pro and takes it personally, so their task is to get you off. hence, wait indy. typical sequence follows: peel & sniff the raincoat, pitch it, prop & load beaver bullets to a bare jam pommel horse event, and call for pitch out. this kind of super pro will get you off.
ling lin san – okamoto 0. 03 condoms are among the thinnest, if not the thinnest latex condom around. much better than the small standard issue raincoats that the girls use.
ling ling ling – 0. 00 means that you are now going bareback.
cowgirl snack – when the provider is going cowgirl and leans over and starts sucking your nipples. also called lilly pad snack because the girl looks like a frog on a lilly pad leaning over for a snack.
hc. hammer commander – similar to a sommelier, but for a sauna. recall that a sommelier is a restaurant employee who orders and maintains the wines sold in the restaurant and usually has extensive knowledge about wine and food pairings. the hammer commander in a server-type sauna knows the the girls very well and can select the right one depending on your specific requests.
sps. seventh planet scientist – providers who really get into ar. recall that the seventh planet form the sun is uranus. hence, the seventh planet scientist is really into ar.
lcm. leather cheerio milk – ky in a tube that's squirted on you arse before they begin the seventh planet scientist begins the ar experiment.
pile carpeting – hemorrhoids with hair on or around them.
mc. mud check – while sitting on one of those split-bottom stools before a soapy session, the provider not only cleans your arse, but sticks her finger in your arse hole to check for any mud residue.
mcgb. mud check gone bad – while performing a mud check, the provider's fingernail gouges your arsehole. long fingernail plus improper mud check equal big sad face.
lhs. lee high salute – chinese word for professional, adept, skillful, proficient is li4 hai4. pronounced "lee high", a lee high salute is when the provider looks at you and says hen3 li4 hai4 (very proficient). usually means the provider acknowledges your abilities.
tao. ten against one – similar to five against one except it's a two-handed hand job (2xhj) usually performed by the girl while you're on your back and she's sitting between your legs. by the way, the urban dictionary defines five against one as "a very one sided but none-the-less enjoyable game of wrestling in which madame palm and her five sisters attempt to strangle kojak. the game ends when you make the bald man cry.
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White Dragon
05-20-09, 00:47
After looking in the abbreviations section, I couldn't locate the necessary terminology to describe various Shanghai mongering moments, things, and situations. Accordingly, I had to consider some new terminology to, well, describe things.
PHP. Pommel Horse Practice – When the girl playfully swings her leg across the top while you're on your back as if she's going to 'mount-up' for cowgirl. Instead, she fakes the mount and sits between your legs for a hand job. The move looks a lot like a gymnast mounting a pommel horse.
PHE. Pommel Horse Event – Same as pommel horse practice except the girl quickly and playfully swings across the top of you and mounts up for cowgirl.
Bare Jam – Usually takes place as an unexpected part of a pommel horse event. Girl playfully swings her leg across the top early in the session. You've got no raincoat yet, and you're definitely not controlling the fast-paced action. As she quickly swings across, she "jams home your bare dick". Hence, Bare Jam.
CGlide. Canyon Glide – While doing a face-to-face body-to- body soapy slide, your hard dick magically slips between her thighs and "glides into her canyon". This can also happen in massage parlors when you're doing naked body-to-body body glides with massage oil.
MHTO. Mile High Thigh Oil – Prior to a face-to-face body-slide using massage oil, the girl puts extra oil the tops and insides of her thighs. This facilitates a good thigh fucking, or the occasional Canyon Glide moment.
All Pro – Providers who are clearly a cut above the rest. Technique, attitude, looks, never complaining about size, these girls are in a different league, always aiming to please. Many of them carry a Pro Tool Kit.
PTK. Pro Tool Kit – Contains just about everything: Pop Rocks Candy, Lube in a squirt bottle, Baby Oil, Condoms, Beaver Bullets, Vibrating Toys, Handy Wipes, KY in a tube, Mouthwash in a spray bottle, and Gum, among other things.
etc etc..
EDITOR'S NOTE: I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Applecrate - that's gold!
Formerlybnc
05-20-09, 03:37
Guys,
I saw a few posts about Happy town. From what I have been noticing, it is pretty much closed down except the BBBJ shop which is open only until 7pm.
Sometimes shops have girls in and they are "closed" but if you can see thru the doors and see if anyone is inside maybe you can get lucky.
If anyone finds it back open please post on here so we can all know.
fbnc
Beijing ABC
05-20-09, 03:50
White Dragon,
Can you provide exact directions to this Wuzhong Lu BBS strip. Much Obliged.
Tried Wuzhong lu strip today just near Songyuan lu. There are about 4 or 5 salons there. Looking more like legit hairdressers than massage. I went into the 1st one closest to the volvo store. Picked a mombshell. Man she was goreous. Tall shaply body, nice breasts, great skin, hair and legs. Incredible cute and sexy. 9. 5/10
Her name was Wu Xiao Lian I think. 24 from Fujian. She wore a slinky blue dress and in the room took it all off so I could touch her wherever. No lame pulling down skirts but completely nude. Nice.
She proceeded to give me a nice slow massage and HJ cuddling and kissing the whole time. No rush, no treating junior like a construction jackhammer. Very GFE. It was a suprise change from the usual bbs girls you find. Normally I leave once done but I stayed as long as I could to enjoy this beauty. She really enjoys hugs at the end. Maybe she thought I could be her boyfriend la. Damage 200rmb for about 1 hr. Expensive for a bbs but worth it considering the girl. I saw some other stunners along that strip on the way out.
After looking in the abbreviations section, I couldn't locate the necessary terminology to describe various Shanghai mongering moments, things, and situations. Accordingly, I had to consider some new terminology to, well, describe things.
PHP. Pommel Horse Practice – When the girl playfully swings her leg across the top while you're on your back as if she's going to 'mount-up' for cowgirl. Instead, she fakes the mount and sits between your legs for a hand job. The move looks a lot like a gymnast mounting a pommel horse.
PHE. Pommel Horse Event – Same as pommel horse practice except the girl quickly and playfully swings across the top of you and mounts up for cowgirl.
Bare Jam – Usually takes place as an unexpected part of a pommel horse event. Girl playfully swings her leg across the top early in the session. You've got no raincoat yet, and you're definitely not controlling the fast-paced action. As she quickly swings across, she "jams home your bare dick". Hence, Bare Jam.Wow - I have so much to learn.
Haha, thanks.
There's a place called "Hao Ding VIP washing chamber" in 111 Caobao Lu. Does anyone know about it?
I assume it's a sauna with "normal service", but am not sure....
Shamuc
White Dragon
05-21-09, 02:01
White Dragon,
Can you provide exact directions to this Wuzhong Lu BBS strip. Much Obliged.Head to tthe corner of Wuzhong lu and Sonyuan lu. Go south along Wuzhong lu away from Xujiahui lu (btw someone was shot dead in the kfc at xujiahui yesterday) on the right side of the roads d. You only need to go 40m or so from Songyuan lu and the strip begins. There is a volvo office on the corner. Not sure if its an actual showroom though.
A handfull of bbs shops are there and they look like proper barber shops more than bbs. Each shop the girls wear a different uniform/dress. I've been twice and both girls I had from different shops were from Fujian, so maybe all the shops are owned together?
The cool girl I found was in the first shop, nearest volvo office, where they wear blue/purple dresses. I suspect you cannot get anything more than a HJ there though and you shouldn't have to pay more than 100rmb. I was lazy when I went and paid 200 but the girl did give me a long teasing massage and I thought she was pretty cute for a bbs girls. There are some other cuties along that strip aswell as some soso girls caked in makeup.
Hope this helps. Cheers
BangBangBang
05-21-09, 04:58
I was there last week and yes. 99% closed. There is a shop near Lianhua lu/luoxio lu which was still open but with poor selection.
Darned, where did they all go?
Guys,
I saw a few posts about Happy town. From what I have been noticing, it is pretty much closed down except the BBBJ shop which is open only until 7pm.
Sometimes shops have girls in and they are "closed" but if you can see thru the doors and see if anyone is inside maybe you can get lucky.
If anyone finds it back open please post on here so we can all know.
fbnc
BB. Beaver Bullets – Rendell's Contraceptive Pessaries. They are rounded on one end for easy insertion in the xiao didi. They are about the size of the end of your thumb. Active agent is Nonoxynol 95%. Beaver Bullets are also called "Governors Mints" after current Pennsylvania Governor, Ed Rendell.
Ling Lin San – Okamoto 0. 03 Condoms are among the thinnest, if not the thinnest latex condom around. Much better than the small standard issue raincoats that the girls use.AC - Awesome post! I love the creativity. Your descriptions eerily match some of the exact same situations I have faced in the past.
Two minor corrections however:
1 - Beaver Bullet should go in the xiao meimei (lit. younger sister)... xiao didi (lit. younger brother) is my equipment and anybody tries to shove anything down my urethra I'm gonna kick their ass! I don't care if she's giving me the best head in the world!
2 - Okamoto condoms are made from Polyurethane. While they are incredibly thin, I just don't feel that they transmit feeling as well as latex. Obviously YMMV and everyone is entitled to choose what kind of hat they like and wear.
World Guy Sh
05-21-09, 16:02
Sorry - was requested to delete content of post.
Admin - please delete as appropriate.
WGS
Applecrate
05-22-09, 15:42
2 - Okamoto condoms are made from Polyurethane. While they are incredibly thin, I just don't feel that they transmit feeling as well as latex. Obviously YMMV and everyone is entitled to choose what kind of hat they like and wear.The Okamoto 0.03 PLatinum I'm thinking about is made of latex. At least, that's what their advertisements claim. Perhaps different material in different parts of the world?
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World’s Thinnest Latex Condom for Maximum Feel
Big advancements in our manufacturing processes have allowed us to develop a condom made with a special latex compound that is only half the thickness of normal latex condoms and provides for maximum feel. Making it the world’s thinnest latex condom.”
No More Rubber Smell
Technology unique to Okamoto has allowed us to remove protein and water soluble materials in the latex used for manufacturing of the condoms. This means that the strong latex smell that is present in many other brands of condoms is absent in Okamoto Zero Zero Three Platnium condoms.
Thomas Jefferson
05-22-09, 16:17
Was there last week, took nr 155 a real beauty service as described before, catbath, AR, BBBJ, etc. Price 580 in the afternoon.
Good service and no 155 is a real beaty. 100% perfect
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson
05-22-09, 16:21
Checked different saunas last weekend
Shanghai sauna. Closed
Jiyuan sauna. Closed
B2 sauna- closed.
Too bad
Thomas Jefferson
Nighthawk55
05-22-09, 20:35
They are so thin I usually waste three out of ten in my rush to put them on!
The Okamoto 0.03 PLatinum I'm thinking about is made of latex. At least, that's what their advertisements claim. Perhaps different material in different parts of the world?
###
World’s Thinnest Latex Condom for Maximum Feel
Big advancements in our manufacturing processes have allowed us to develop a condom made with a special latex compound that is only half the thickness of normal latex condoms and provides for maximum feel. Making it the world’s thinnest latex condom.”
No More Rubber Smell
Technology unique to Okamoto has allowed us to remove protein and water soluble materials in the latex used for manufacturing of the condoms. This means that the strong latex smell that is present in many other brands of condoms is absent in Okamoto Zero Zero Three Platnium condoms.
Blacklisted
05-23-09, 07:10
Finally back after getting a proxy server....hate the China firewall..
Good to see Blacklisted and other senior members are still around. Business is still going as usual... hope thats the same for all members...
Village is still around at 150 a shot....
Cheers all...
Gents,
Purely out of selfless interests to add to the wealth of knowledge on ISG, WSG and myself ventured far out into the what was once wilderness of the village.
What we discovered both shocked and appalled us in equal measures. Well, more so me considering that WSG had never known the former glory that once was The Village.
Yes, what was once streets lined with pink BBS's and chock full of farm girls is now dens of weird old dudes playing mazhong, Watson's stores, and freshly developed apartment complexes. It looks like they are even building a lovely park for the kiddies as well.
How delightful!
Upon asking a local barkeep of what had happened to our beloved xiaojie's, I was informed that business had been bad and they had almost all closed up shop.
Several touts are on hand, which may indicate an underground presence but being the savvy ISG members that we are, we of course declined their invitations.
One of them told me that the long arm of the law had cracked down hard on the village and that the shops were all forced to close.
I sense Shanghai's P4P scene may be slipping away...
Dragon, what on earth are you talking about saying the village 'is still around 150 a shot'.
Dude, there is no village!!!
Suffice to say a small mention about the current situation out there may have saved us quite a journey, but nevermind, some things need to be seen to be believed anyway.
-BL
Hi all,
As most of us know, most of the shanghai sauna places are closed right now, can we please compile a up to date list with the saunas that are still open? And if you can please include the address as there are many newbies here, thanks.
I'll start of first, shanghai hotel sauna closed, motel 168 sauna still open but only have around 6-7 girls, quality 5-7.
Finally made it to Shanghai. First trip was cancelled by my company, but now I'm here. And naturally I wanted to discover the side of this city which is so good descibed here.
Bad thing however is that my company located me in the worst area where you can be. Huangpu has not much action, not takin into account the streetguys and girl on Nanying Lu. I have received your message; do not go with them.
So today then the Sauna. Tomas Jeffersen reported that a lot of sauna's were closed, so the logical choise was Sacrosa. For newcommers (like me) it is a good idea to have your hotel write down a location nearby for the taxi.
I let them drop me of at the intersection of Zangyang road and Dongfang road. From there I found it very easy to find Sacrosa although I was a bit doubtfull when I stood in front of the place. But ok, walk back towards the river untill you get to the crossing of Pudong Road. You will see a lot of expensive looking shops. Go north a bit. If you like me do not speak ANY Chinese, watch out for Wagas. You will find it to your right, can't miss it. You then can either go through the mall next to it, but I found it easier to walk around it. So face wagas and then walk around the building counterclockwise. You cannot miss the Steakhouse king and the UBC coffe shop. In the middle is the entrance with above it a big round window. There are porters in front of the entrance and I was wandering if I was in the right place. But the guy came up to me and looked at my piece of paper where I had written down the route and describtion I got from this side (very usefull guy's. A big thanks)
The saw just one word Sacrose and he showed me the elevator and pushed for me the right button. I was there! Very nice place. Looks very good
Now my biggest problem is the language. I don't speak it and that is a handicap in this place. None of the girls did and should I know some Chinese, then I would have gotten better service. I also expected some kind of fishbowl. But no; a lineup of about 6 very goodlooking women.
My choise was number 123. Don't aks me the name please. She had beautifull hair and a beautifull smile. Looks definatelly 9 plus. Small but firm tits.
The service was good, but I could tell she was a real pro. Did not let me come to familiar. No kissing (damn and I like that som much). But the massage was good, the warm and cold water supricingly pleasant and she was very tight. A full 90 minutes of pleasure without getting it to a real GFE unfortunally. As I said, my language was a real problem.
Total damage 560 RMB, which for this service is reasonable I think. If it felt less proffesional, I would have gladly pay more.
Would I go back? Perhpas if I was longer in Shanghai. I have a week and I think I would rather check out other places.
I also tried to find some BBS, but could not find any. I did write down a couple of pointers from this side, but no luck.
I understand from the conversations here that a lot is going away or closing, but there should be some left.
Can any of you point me to an area where I still can find some nice BBS? Also a sauna where there is a little more service, like real GFE, roleplay. (I love uniforms). Love to experience a soapy
My hotel is unfortunally not girl friendly, so I have to take my pleasure outside. What are your best recommendations.
I will follow up with new reports from my stay.
Thanks for feedback.
I posted this in the Shanghai Hotels thread, but got only one feedack. I am reposting here in case others folks could help. Sorry in advance for any thread mispost.
Renaissance Hotels:
Since there aren’t many references to the Renaissance hotels on this thread and I have to stay at a Renaissance during my trip to Shanghai, could anyone familiar with these hotels recommend one over the others?
My choices are
Renaissance Shanghai Zhongshan Park Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Yuyuan Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Pudong Hotel
While the availability of surrounding, in-hotel and in-room services are considerations, they are not the only ones; I am also interested in proximity to interesting parts of town, walkability, relative safety, etc.
Any feedback would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks.
Digits
Many of the saunas are still open, but they have stopped taking in foreign guests. I am Chinese so it is easier for me to get in still. The regulars one I visit I just need to call the mamasan or my favourite girls on their cell phone ahead. Otherwise if you just turn up without calling then they will just offer regular massage.
World Guy Sh
05-24-09, 04:44
I posted this in the Shanghai Hotels thread, but got only one feedack. I am reposting here in case others folks could help. Sorry in advance for any thread mispost.
Renaissance Hotels:
Since there aren’t many references to the Renaissance hotels on this thread and I have to stay at a Renaissance during my trip to Shanghai, could anyone familiar with these hotels recommend one over the others?
My choices are
Renaissance Shanghai Zhongshan Park Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Yuyuan Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Pudong Hotel
While the availability of surrounding, in-hotel and in-room services are considerations, they are not the only ones; I am also interested in proximity to interesting parts of town, walkability, relative safety, etc.
Any feedback would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks.
DigitsNone are ideal but Zhongshan park keeps you most central. You'll still need to taxi about and judging by experience that could be several taxis to din somewhere open.
WGS
Beijing Fox
05-24-09, 07:24
Skip the Pudong one and take the one that is in between the domestic Hondqiao airport and the city center next to YanAn highway (sorry, I don't know the name) Nakata sauna is in 5 min walking distance and a lot of other top spots between there and the Hongqiao airport.
I posted this in the Shanghai Hotels thread, but got only one feedack. I am reposting here in case others folks could help. Sorry in advance for any thread mispost.
Renaissance Hotels:
Since there aren’t many references to the Renaissance hotels on this thread and I have to stay at a Renaissance during my trip to Shanghai, could anyone familiar with these hotels recommend one over the others?
My choices are
Renaissance Shanghai Zhongshan Park Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Yuyuan Hotel
Renaissance Shanghai Pudong Hotel
While the availability of surrounding, in-hotel and in-room services are considerations, they are not the only ones; I am also interested in proximity to interesting parts of town, walkability, relative safety, etc.
Any feedback would greatly be appreciated.
Thanks.
Digits
Parasitius
05-24-09, 07:39
If you look back, I already covered the topic. The touts you speak of are just the bosses that ran the shops when they were glorious, and who'll lead you around the backs of the buildings to their hidden stashes of girls. Nothing 'savvy' about not going along to look unless one really seems to be acting funny. The savvy thing is to not accept prices a penny above 150. Anyway it sucks and there are so many (albeit) less conveninent strips of BBSes which are far better that the remnants.
There's always the dark "catacombs" of 50 kuai chicks out by Qibao Lu station ha ha ha
Gents,
Purely out of selfless interests to add to the wealth of knowledge on ISG, WSG and myself ventured far out into the what was once wilderness of the village.
What we discovered both shocked and appalled us in equal measures. Well, more so me considering that WSG had never known the former glory that once was The Village.
-BL
Blacklisted
05-24-09, 08:26
If you look back, I already covered the topic. The touts you speak of are just the bosses that ran the shops when they were glorious, and who'll lead you around the backs of the buildings to their hidden stashes of girls. Nothing 'savvy' about not going along to look unless one really seems to be acting funny. The savvy thing is to not accept prices a penny above 150. Anyway it sucks and there are so many (albeit) less conveninent strips of BBSes which are far better that the remnants.
There's always the dark "catacombs" of 50 kuai chicks out by Qibao Lu station ha ha ha
Ha ha, the Shanghai catacombs eh? Nice tip and will definitely go for a looksee some time in the future.
Nothing 'savvy' about not going with touts? Wow, might be worth having a read of the DG board and see the kinds of fun that can be had going with touts - e.g. ending up getting your face smashed in with brass knuckles and lead pipes. Thanks but no thanks mate!
For sake of newbies I would rather reiterate the point - NEVER GO WITH TOUTS. I think it is an easy mistake to make and I am sure there are lots who are not trying to rip you off, but I will never be keen to find out when there are so many better and less risky ways to find action.
Sorry I did not read your previous post as have been off the board for quite some time due to firewall issues. I'm sure it was very helpful though and wish I read it before making the journey out there!
Also, from my travels around town, I think the BBS's are seriously drying up and I won't be surprised if they are non-existent come Expo 2010. For mongerers not living in SH, I would not be travelling here for P4P in the next 18 months +. Might be better off in Thai or Phils or if you have friends or language skills, down south in SZ, GZ or DG.
BL
FernandoAlonso
05-24-09, 08:42
Was there last week, took nr 155 a real beauty service as described before, catbath, AR, BBBJ, etc. Price 580 in the afternoon.
Good service and no 155 is a real beaty. 100% perfect
Thomas JeffersonDid they increase prices, it used to be 580?
You took 155 or do you mean 105, she was described before, but with mixed remarks.
FA
Skip the Pudong one and take the one that is in between the domestic Hondqiao airport and the city center next to YanAn highway (sorry, I don't know the name) Nakata sauna is in 5 min walking distance and a lot of other top spots between there and the Hongqiao airport.Digits, the one BF is advising for you is the Renaissance Zhongshan Park, in the Changning District. The Yuyuan option is way over east near the Bund.
These hotels are part of the Marriott chain, and therefore should be GF.
Dear All,
Would like to update on above joint. Experience is very fresh. Just Yesterday at 4:00pm.
Name: Jin Lin Yang Sheng Tang (金林养生堂）
Address: 484 Xi Kang Road/ Kang Ding Road (very near X-junction)
Apparently, there are 3 types of RMB 338 package and I suspect they are all the same.
Anyway, cashier recommend one of it saying this is for young man. So I guess they should be right.
When down the stairs and got into a room. Have a see-through in-room shower.
Waited for lady. All of them dressed in T-Shirt and track pants. Guess no feeling-up:<
Massage is not bad but have tried better. Anyway am here to try the prostrate massage only:P
Seems that the massage is only limited to the full back + ass. The rest of the body part is a no-show. Takes about 50 mins for this process.
Then flip over and start the belly massage. Then proceed to didi (little brother). Actually it is different from the normal HJ and enjoyable.
But I suspect some of us may not really like it as at the end of the day, it is still just a HJ via a different method. So as usual, girl say better don't shoot but we all say shoot. So shoot and pay up.
My own summary would be I rather pay the same amount if not a little bit more and go for the bucket massage (lady massage you then wash u up then jack you off). When to one such place before but damn, forgot the address and the name. I think it is along Shanxi North or South Road. The last time I went I think I took a cab and travelled the whole damn road just to look for it.
Hope information is useful.
Reoxy
DragonChan
05-25-09, 07:03
The XMQ BBS stash is still alive and kicking with about 5-6 pink establishments open for business, verfied last night around 20:00.
Here's what I found:
Cialis (Tadalafil) 50mg Tablets – 250RMB per bottle of ten
Levitra (Vardenafil) 600mg tablets – 300RMB per bottle of ten
I still have a couple bottles of the stuff I have used most often - “Cialis” (Sildenafil – Viagra active ingredient) 35 mg capsules - 250RMB per bottle of ten.
Can you - or somebody - post some pix of the packets? Is that "pharmacy" stuff or from a sex shop?
Could someone who lives there write an update on the saunas?
Did they re-open?
Heard the Shanghai hotel was closed a week ago.
Hi all,
As most of us know, most of the shanghai sauna places are closed right now, can we please compile a up to date list with the saunas that are still open? And if you can please include the address as there are many newbies here, thanks.
I'll start of first, shanghai hotel sauna closed, motel 168 sauna still open but only have around 6-7 girls, quality 5-7.
I was in Shanghai for a few days early this month, and went to my favourite place, the Shanghai Hotel sauna, on a Monday evening shortly after 7pm. It was a great disappointment. Subsequently, a friend of mine told me that by May 15 the sauna was closed down completely.
For my visit in early May, there were four big problems:
1). There was no soapy bath, or the wet massage, as the girls called it. The excuse given was that the soapy bathrooms (one floor below the dry massage floor, where the entrance is located) were being refurbished. But when I was heading for the “fishbowl,” I passed by the staircase leading to the wet massage section and it seemed quite normal with me. Anyway, I preferred to have a soapy bath and almost wanted to walk out when told it was not available.
2). Few girls were available, and the quality was poor. When I got to the “fishbowl” (actually I was in the same room as the girls, looking at them face to face), there were only 6-7 girls around. Two to three of them were fairly old (30 years or more), and at least 2-3 were fat. Luckily, I saw this gem, the beauty of the lot. Later, she told me that in reality probably a dozen girls were available at that time, but several of them were playing mahjong, and a few others didn’t bother to go to the lineup to be selected.
3). It turned out that my girl, number 50, actually had a great body, slim and of medium height, she had a pair of great tits about 32-33C, with very smooth and fair skin. Her skills were also very good, but she was a bit lazy and skipped the red rope part. Although I’m not a big fan of red rope, she shouldn’t have skipped it.
4). The ear- and foot-masseuses were old and unattractive. After the deed in the dry massage room, I went out to the lounge for a rest and to enjoy their ear and foot massage. Unfortunately, the foot masseuse was rather old, more than 30 years of age and probably close to 40. The ear masseuse was in her mid-20s, but not attractive at all. (May be ugly is too harsh a word, but she was really unattractive. When she practically slept on my body to clean my ear, I had little desire to caress her ass or tits).
Clearly, the sauna’s manager had taken his eyes off the ball. However, it looks like Shanghai is going through a major cleanup now. I guess I won’t be able to find another “soapyland” for a while?
On my last night in Shanghai, I called up Monroe Massage 夢露按摩 for an outcall service to my hotel. My girl arrived about half an hour later, just after midnight. Her name was Meng Xin, just over 20 years old. A petite girl from Nanning of Guangxi, she was not pretty, but still gave you an impression of being cute and even innocent, was of medium built, and had a pair of rather small tits. She found out gladly that I could also speak Cantonese, and I think that helped put her at ease. After she came into my room, she said she needed to prepare herself for the massage, and went into the bathroom. When she came out, she was wearing a red see-through sleeping gown, revealing her bra and T-back underwear inside.
Her massage skill was quite good, and I enjoyed it quietly face down. After I flipped over, I started to harass her, and she tried to resist my attempts half-heartedly. With some gentle persuasion, I managed to strip her naked and explore her body, but she steadfastly refused to do oral or sex. We hugged each other tightly and kissed passionately, and in the end she admitted to being sexually aroused but still held her line. I could only imitate the sex act and came on her tummy, and then she blamed me for not being sexually fulfilled.
Afterwards, she said I could keep her for the night, for a grand total of 650 yuan, but without sex. Given that an hour of her service was 450 yuan (massage and handjob only), it seemed a reasonable price to pay, and I agreed.
Before we dozed off, she told me that her boss was a Shanghai girl in her early 20s, who hired four full time masseuses (including my girl) and a number of part-timers. Yet, her boss would do “doubles” upon client request, and Meng promised to bring her boss along next time she saw me. She also said that once a part-time girl charged her client 200 yuan just for playing with her tits. Afterwards, the client phoned up the boss to complain. Although there was no refund for the client, the boss banned the girl from work for several weeks. I suppose that if you lived in Shanghai or visited frequently, you might be able to get a partial refund if you really bugged the boss.
Davidoff Lite
05-25-09, 13:40
Stumbled across a new area with a number of BBS. 4 of which are not the regular BBS as they only offer FS and whole package deals ie BBBJ then FJ. The diff with these places are most of the girls are 8 and above. Now comes the deal sealer - RMB150 max per pop. Nothing to negotiate.
So get your pens and paper ready, some might even want to have your GPS ready. These shops line the side of 志丹路 zhidan lu between 甘泉路 ganquanlu and 延长路 yanchanglu.
Stop the cab at the corner of zhidanlu and ganquanlu where there are two hair salons and a handphone shop then walk backwards towards yanchanglu for your window shoppping.
Hello everybody,
I dont speak english very good. It's difficult for me to anderstand all the messages.
Can you says me the 3 or 4 bests places to be in Shanghai for sex (sex Hairdresser, discotheque, massage hotel, sex massage) ?
Thank you very much for you answer.
Paris
Hello everybody,
I dont speak english very good. It's difficult for me to anderstand all the messages.
Can you says me the 3 or 4 bests places to be in Shanghai for sex (sex Hairdresser, discotheque, massage hotel, sex massage) ?
Thank you very much for you answer.
Paris
If you don't speak English how are you going to communicate with people in China. Communication in English in China is bad enough and any language other than Chinese is almost nil. From your handle, Paris12, I think you speak French or you are LE. English in China is limited including the girls because most of girls come from a poor background with low education.
You posted the same question in the Beijing Thread. I suggest you try reading and doing a search in the forum first for the information.
2 posts, one asking for easy answers in Shanghai, and one asking for easy answers in Beijing. I smell a rat, or pork.
If you have found an english language based website about getting laid, then you understand enough about english to READ THE FU$%&*#& FORUM. Your claim of difficulty reading english is hilarious.
Don't be lazy pal, just read. Every single page has answers to your amazingly silly question.
Welcome to China. Have fun. Bring some hot french hookers. Please.
Stumbled across a new area with a number of BBS. 4 of which are not the regular BBS as they only offer FS and whole package deals ie BBBJ then FJ. The diff with these places are most of the girls are 8 and above. Now comes the deal sealer - RMB150 max per pop. Nothing to negotiate.
So get your pens and paper ready, some might even want to have your GPS ready. These shops line the side of 志丹路 zhidan lu between 甘泉路 ganquanlu and 延长路 yanchanglu.
Stop the cab at the corner of zhidanlu and ganquanlu where there are two hair salons and a handphone shop then walk backwards towards yanchanglu for your window shoppping.This place seems to be pretty far out of town on the north side. Do you have a link to a map that shows it?
J
Charlie Shanghai
05-27-09, 19:36
Thanks for all the useful information on this site. Takes some time to read through it but it is worthwhile.
I found some info on 3 sauna's in old postings but no mention of it in recent ones.
They are:
Bo Dou on Xietu Lu/ Luban Lu
Tin Hao on GuMei Lu
Sang Na on Songshan Lu
Does anyone know if they are still operating. I want to check them out next month but if they are closed it saves me the trip. If they are still open I will let you know how it was.
JoeBanker00
05-28-09, 03:37
I went to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna a few times at the recommendation of a friend in late April. They were only open for about 3 hours in the afternoon and then shut down after that. The girls told me that there was pretty heavy LE pressure and they would come by to check on the Sauna every night. My friends in Shanghai also confirmed that there's been LE pressure on their regular saunas.
One of my mamasan friends who works at a naked KTV told me her naked KTV got shut down by LE a few weeks ago too!
Anyone know what's going on with this cleanup in Shanghai? I originally thought it had something to do with the F1 weekend and International Auto Show, but maybe it's a longer-term cleanup prior to the Shanghai Expo?
I was in Shanghai for a few days early this month, and went to my favourite place, the Shanghai Hotel sauna, on a Monday evening shortly after 7pm. It was a great disappointment. Subsequently, a friend of mine told me that by May 15 the sauna was closed down completely.
Went to the before 7pm special for 550rmb. Nice girl, all extras and 90 mins.
PC out
JohnThomas0519
05-28-09, 16:12
Yes, I went by a couple of days ago and the place was shut down due to "re-modeling". Puzzelzing since a couple of the massage palours around the neighborhood were open for business as usual. There are two place by the hilton, down the street where one parks. One is clearly a brothel, with touts in front. The other, which I patronized, appeared to be legit. As least for the four visits . I visited as they offered an hour of foot massage for 68 rmb.
One night as I went for my massage a very cute mammasan tried to hustle me to go to her place with many pretty girls. I counteroffered to take her back to my hotel, which she declined. Definitely would have done her.
Made a few calls to Craigslist erotic services. Note that it remains since LE does not bother with such ads. Many offers of 200 rmb/hr massages. Don't bother if you are really seeking an independent.
This place seems to be pretty far out of town on the north side. Do you have a link to a map that shows it?
JDavidoff Lite has uncovered a great find and thanks for sharing.I am amazed and wonder how the hell you found this area. I know the city very well and I am impressed.
It is far from the French Concession, Channing, Jingan, Xujiahui, People's Square; the center city but not too far. Definitely worth the trip for anyone who likes BBS and a huge selection of fine young, did I say young, ladies. I feel like I went back in time. I didn't know these types of blocks still exit in Shanghai.
Thanks so much for the great tip.
Could anyone please help me (& I am sure many people will benefit too). While in China, I have been having trouble getting to ISG site due to China Firewall. Could anyone recommend some reliable proxy servers or anything to reach ISG while in China. Thanks.
Thanks Guys,
For latest usefull info around Shenzhen. well, i'm first timer visitor to shenzhen and trying to collect more and more info to plan up my next week stay.. couldn't find much info around Hengfeng Haiyue International Hotel. any local friend can help me to suggest life around this hotel. thanks. of course, will update my report after visitng shenzhen.
Could anyone please help me (& I am sure many people will benefit too). While in China, I have been having trouble getting to ISG site due to China Firewall. Could anyone recommend some reliable proxy servers or anything to reach ISG while in China. Thanks.
There is a specific thread in ISG about proxy servers, nevertheless wishing to help.
Try this one:
http://www.bypassproxy.us/
it worked some 6 weeks ago in Shangai
Bit tricky when you want to log in as a memeber as sometimes it does not catch...but al in all satisfying for the purpose.
Globe Spinner
05-29-09, 03:25
Could anyone please help me (& I am sure many people will benefit too). While in China, I have been having trouble getting to ISG site due to China Firewall. Could anyone recommend some reliable proxy servers or anything to reach ISG while in China. Thanks.www.proxify.com
It's a paid subscription, but works well.
Use the url's from the member section as the main one gets blocked.
There is a specific thread in ISG about proxy servers, nevertheless wishing to help.
Try this one:
http://www.bypassproxy.us/
it worked some 6 weeks ago in Shangai
Bit tricky when you want to log in as a memeber as sometimes it does not catch...but al in all satisfying for the purpose.
Thanks, Bionicman. I should be more specific. I have tried different Proxy Servers, but they worked intermittently, especially when I tried to log in. I was hoping there would be some that would work better.
OldAsiaHand
05-29-09, 05:01
Thanks, Bionicman. I should be more specific. I have tried different Proxy Servers, but they worked intermittently, especially when I tried to log in. I was hoping there would be some that would work better.
Dovetail,
Most of the proxies I use work for awhile and then stop. Some will start to work again and then stop again. I am not a tech expert but I think that the IPs that the proxies generate get blocked until a new set are generated. I also noted that some work in some parts of China and not others. For example, turbohide.com stopped working for me in South while it was still working in Beijing.
Best solution seems to be to invest in a private VPN if you are going to spend a lot of time in China. Prices start at 39.99 per year.
Just my POV.
OAH
Thanks, Bionicman. I should be more specific. I have tried different Proxy Servers, but they worked intermittently, especially when I tried to log in. I was hoping there would be some that would work better.
Definitely VPN (rented) is the way to go for anyone spending any significant amount of time in China. Huge advantages over proxies, and more stable.
I've had good luck with this one: https://www.personalvpn.com
-B-
Many of the saunas are still open, but they have stopped taking in foreign guests. I am Chinese so it is easier for me to get in still. The regulars one I visit I just need to call the mamasan or my favourite girls on their cell phone ahead. Otherwise if you just turn up without calling then they will just offer regular massage.Will be coming to Shangahi next week,possible to PM me the name & address and also the mamasan's contact?
Thank you
I went to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna a few times at the recommendation of a friend in late April. They were only open for about 3 hours in the afternoon and then shut down after that. The girls told me that there was pretty heavy LE pressure and they would come by to check on the Sauna every night. My friends in Shanghai also confirmed that there's been LE pressure on their regular saunas.
One of my mamasan friends who works at a naked KTV told me her naked KTV got shut down by LE a few weeks ago too!
Anyone know what's going on with this cleanup in Shanghai? I originally thought it had something to do with the F1 weekend and International Auto Show, but maybe it's a longer-term cleanup prior to the Shanghai Expo?Look like no more fun in Shanghai, sad.
To those responding about China Firewall, many thanks! It is really driving me (and l am sure a score of others) crazy. In appreciiation, on my most recent trip to Shanghai, my colleague took me to Paris Spa & Sauna several times. Can't remember the street name but it is off the Huaihai Rd. As you go west on Huaihai Rd from Xizhang Rd, turn left on one of the cross streets. Tips: Saizeriya is directly across from the sauna. Conveniently located in downtown @RMB680. Enjoy!
For VPN services I can recommend www.swissvpn.net very easy to buy, cheap and works perfectly.
Paulmartin
05-30-09, 06:18
On my way out of Shanghai. The Shanghai hotel 4th floor is closed. The owner moved around the corner---walking out of hotel Lobby, turn left, second street turn left. Half way down the block.
Have fun.
Nightwing88
05-30-09, 15:10
Nightwing here with another positive report on Heting. This time, thanks to the 198RMB discount from Sacrosa, I had more incentive to check out this place that has been so readily reviewed by our brothers. A couple of points:
1. Does anyone know when the subway is going to be built in front of Heting? Traffic is a pain to and from this place!
2. Aside from that, the place is fantastic. The dressing room is immaculate, as are the showers, the sauna, the plunge pool. I like that the outside of Heting is all black, and that inside, it's another world designed for comfort and relaxation.
3. At 4pm on a Saturday afternoon, girl selection was very impressive, about 15 girls. I picked a short cutie from Yunnan province. Very sexy hair, sultry eyes and 34C cup breasts. Sorry, forgot the number!!!
4. The room was very nice, with a "full" sized mattress, recessed lighting, good temperature controls (we could turn the AC up or down as needed), and even nice music coming from an Aigo unit.
5. Once in the room, we did not follow the normal routine. Yunnan cutie went straight to DFK, BBBJ, and rubbed her puxxx all over my body. We went straight into covered sex in several positions before finishing in a pile of exhausted sweat on the bed.
6. Only afterwards did we cuddle and chat. She got me hard again, and we proceeded with round two in the bed room. So, for those brothers who asked earlier in the forum, you can get two shots at Heting; but I think it also depends if you can hit it off with the girl.
7. With 10 minutes left in the session, Yunnan cutie wanted round 3. I think if we had more time, I could have done a Nightwing first and given up 3 shots in one session!
8. After leaving the room, service at Heting was excellent as well. Had the Shanghai noodle soup, a Sprite and some sweet dessert soup while relaxing in the rest area.
9. Total cost was 600 RMB with the coupon. Very satisfied, and am definitely coming back to this place again!
Nightwing
Sixty Cent
05-31-09, 00:03
I went to the Shanghai Hotel Sauna a few times at the recommendation of a friend in late April. They were only open for about 3 hours in the afternoon and then shut down after that. The girls told me that there was pretty heavy LE pressure and they would come by to check on the Sauna every night. My friends in Shanghai also confirmed that there's been LE pressure on their regular saunas.
One of my mamasan friends who works at a naked KTV told me her naked KTV got shut down by LE a few weeks ago too!
Anyone know what's going on with this cleanup in Shanghai? I originally thought it had something to do with the F1 weekend and International Auto Show, but maybe it's a longer-term cleanup prior to the Shanghai Expo?You got it Joe.
It is for the world expo!
FernandoAlonso
05-31-09, 02:05
Nightwing here with another positive report on Heting. This time, thanks to the 198RMB discount from Sacrosa, I had more incentive to check out this place that has been so readily reviewed by our brothers. A couple of points:
1. Does anyone know when the subway is going to be built in front of Heting? Traffic is a pain to and from this place!
2. Aside from that, the place is fantastic. The dressing room is immaculate, as are the showers, the sauna, the plunge pool. I like that the outside of Heting is all black, and that inside, it's another world designed for comfort and relaxation.
3. At 4pm on a Saturday afternoon, girl selection was very impressive, about 15 girls. I picked a short cutie from Yunnan province. Very sexy hair, sultry eyes and 34C cup breasts. Sorry, forgot the number!!!
4. The room was very nice, with a "full" sized mattress, recessed lighting, good temperature controls (we could turn the AC up or down as needed), and even nice music coming from an Aigo unit.
5. Once in the room, we did not follow the normal routine. Yunnan cutie went straight to DFK, BBBJ, and rubbed her puxxx all over my body. We went straight into covered sex in several positions before finishing in a pile of exhausted sweat on the bed.
6. Only afterwards did we cuddle and chat. She got me hard again, and we proceeded with round two in the bed room. So, for those brothers who asked earlier in the forum, you can get two shots at Heting; but I think it also depends if you can hit it off with the girl.
7. With 10 minutes left in the session, Yunnan cutie wanted round 3. I think if we had more time, I could have done a Nightwing first and given up 3 shots in one session!
8. After leaving the room, service at Heting was excellent as well. Had the Shanghai noodle soup, a Sprite and some sweet dessert soup while relaxing in the rest area.
9. Total cost was 600 RMB with the coupon. Very satisfied, and am definitely coming back to this place again!
NightwingNw,
Great report, you lucky one. I had a time expander when I went there, very mechanical, only trying to get the second 45 minutes (they charge in theory 300 for 45 min but wonder if anybody ever got that). On the coupon, the afternoon is always 600 and the coupon is in the evening taking away the 198 "shower" fee, so your coupon was taken away for no exchange.
FA
Very true, the village is dead and gone, even the off-springs around it are all closed.
Levitian
Gents,
Purely out of selfless interests to add to the wealth of knowledge on ISG, WSG and myself ventured far out into the what was once wilderness of the village.
What we discovered both shocked and appalled us in equal measures. Well, more so me considering that WSG had never known the former glory that once was The Village.
Yes, what was once streets lined with pink BBS's and chock full of farm girls is now dens of weird old dudes playing mazhong, Watson's stores, and freshly developed apartment complexes. It looks like they are even building a lovely park for the kiddies as well.
How delightful!
Upon asking a local barkeep of what had happened to our beloved xiaojie's, I was informed that business had been bad and they had almost all closed up shop.
Several touts are on hand, which may indicate an underground presence but being the savvy ISG members that we are, we of course declined their invitations.
One of them told me that the long arm of the law had cracked down hard on the village and that the shops were all forced to close.
I sense Shanghai's P4P scene may be slipping away...
Dragon, what on earth are you talking about saying the village 'is still around 150 a shot'.
Dude, there is no village!!!
Suffice to say a small mention about the current situation out there may have saved us quite a journey, but nevermind, some things need to be seen to be believed anyway.
-BL
White Dragon
05-31-09, 08:19
Lightning tore through the black paper sky in front of castle JJ's. Red velvet curtains draw to reveal 12 witches circed in a coven. They chant in latin and numbered runes are coded to their hip. Numbers to decipher, numbers to play, numbers of the golden 18 sect.
The illuminati guide m from the ancient gallery, my cape flowing behind me down the darkened chambers. I am taken to the shrine of perspex cobwebs and gothis ornate.
Raw in the escarpment of naked existence my nubile vampira showers me under a waterfall of blood. My fangs protrude, my desires moisten. I taste fear. I taste pleasure.
On the alter the magician serpent coils around me, testing my forbidden fruit, an alchemist of stone. The medusa from the soapy sea. 7 astral planes dimensioned into 1 sharp stroke.
I draw my scarab, teasing, evilive. Pounce, chop, sever. Pop. Bones crunch, limbs contort, juices gush and spurt. I bite. I loose control. Am I evil? Yes sir I am. Diary of a demented, 13th son of a 13th son, vampire. Crowleys vision. Do what thou wilt.
She lies in beauty. Cold pale face. Porcelin skin, beating heart. Devilish innocence. Fresh blood. Dinner has been served. Two neck bites our only clue to this macabre tale.
I fly off with the bats back into the forest of glass and steel. My gotham delight. Until tomorrow night. Sisters have mercy. I will be back.
OldAsiaHand
05-31-09, 15:23
Very true, the village is dead and gone, even the off-springs around it are all closed.
LevitianFirst it was the BJ Factory, now The Village, what about Happy Town? I have fond memories of the BBS with the spiral staircase and the 100 RMB BBBJCIM joint on the strip. Is Happy Town still in operation? I do remember heavy LE presence there during my last visit. The BBS would shut the doors when LE came through and open again when they were gone. A real cat and mouse game.
Current status?
OAH
Shanghai Fosho
05-31-09, 16:59
Daxue or Davidoff Lite. Any idea what train station / line would get me closest to this spot?
Please let me know,
Thanks!
Davidoff Lite has uncovered a great find and thanks for sharing.I am amazed and wonder how the hell you found this area. I know the city very well and I am impressed.
It is far from the French Concession, Channing, Jingan, Xujiahui, People's Square; the center city but not too far. Definitely worth the trip for anyone who likes BBS and a huge selection of fine young, did I say young, ladies. I feel like I went back in time. I didn't know these types of blocks still exit in Shanghai.
Thanks so much for the great tip.
Pleasure Hunter
05-31-09, 17:06
As a long time lurker I finally get around to contribute. However, since this is my first post on this very informative forum let me first take a moment and express my gratitude to all those that make this site such a resourceful collection of information regarding one of our dearest hobbies.
I just returned from Peacock Massage, which is a nice place to get more than a massage but if you’re too tired for the real deal. Just having returned to Shanghai and having read all these frightening posts regarding closures, raids, and disappearing locations I already feared the worst when I arrived at Peacock Massage and actually was being turned down with a friendly no massage today, how about tomorrow? Now not all was lost, since I remembered that 50 meters next to the original location was a second shop, also with a large bird in a neon-lit sign, but as I have come to learn, it is called Phoenix Massage. However, inside everything is exactly the same, the menu, the deal (at 298RMB), and if I am not mistaken it appears as if even the wallpaper and decoration is exactly the same.
Well, to cut to the chase, service as expected and detailed in previous reports. The girl was very pretty – prettier than the ones I had at Peacock Massage before – but that might just be coincidental. She offered and convinced me to do the whole procedure in the nude for a small tip of course, which was new but since I liked her appreciated.
On the way out I took a business card, which I attach.
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Lightning tore through the black paper sky in front of castle JJ's. Red velvet curtains draw to reveal 12 witches circed in a coven. They chant in latin and numbered runes are coded to their hip. Numbers to decipher, numbers to play, numbers of the golden 18 sect.
The illuminati guide m from the ancient gallery, my cape flowing behind me down the darkened chambers. I am taken to the shrine of perspex cobwebs and gothis ornate.
Raw in the escarpment of naked existence my nubile vampira showers me under a waterfall of blood. My fangs protrude, my desires moisten. I taste fear. I taste pleasure.
On the alter the magician serpent coils around me, testing my forbidden fruit, an alchemist of stone. The medusa from the soapy sea. 7 astral planes dimensioned into 1 sharp stroke.
I draw my scarab, teasing, evilive. Pounce, chop, sever. Pop. Bones crunch, limbs contort, juices gush and spurt. I bite. I loose control. Am I evil? Yes sir I am. Diary of a demented, 13th son of a 13th son, vampire. Crowleys vision. Do what thou wilt.
She lies in beauty. Cold pale face. Porcelin skin, beating heart. Devilish innocence. Fresh blood. Dinner has been served. Two neck bites our only clue to this macabre tale.
I fly off with the bats back into the forest of glass and steel. My gotham delight. Until tomorrow night. Sisters have mercy. I will be back.
Hmmmm, I'd like to smoke some of the same sh*t you smoke WD :)
ES
First it was the BJ Factory, now The Village, what about Happy Town? I have fond memories of the BBS with the spiral staircase and the 100 RMB BBBJCIM joint on the strip. Is Happy Town still in operation? I do remember heavy LE presence there during my last visit. The BBS would shut the doors when LE came through and open again when they were gone. A real cat and mouse game.
Current status?
OAH
The Village, Happy Town, the joints on Wuding Road, etc. etc. etc. ... all gone.
The government is getting Shanghai ready for the International Expo in 2010 and is reportedly going to spend $45billion, which is more than they spent on the olympics. So, I would guess, as part of the cleanup they are closing down those nasty little shops that might tarnish their image.
Also, as the city expands and real estate in outer areas becomes more desirable, local investors want those shops closed.
Bad Boy Billy
06-01-09, 04:23
The government is getting Shanghai ready for the International Expo in 2010 and is reportedly going to spend $45billion...........So, I would guess, as part of the cleanup they are closing down those nasty little shops that might tarnish their image.I think this is unquestionably correct.
But not only BBS - if the Beijing experience for the Olympics is any indication then most other 'sex' oulets will also go.
Tong Ren Lu bars - indeed any bar where hookers work - the massage centres / spas - they will ALL go.
OldAsiaHand
06-01-09, 06:32
The government is getting Shanghai ready for the International Expo in 2010 and is reportedly going to spend $45billion, which is more than they spent on the olympics. So, I would guess, as part of the cleanup they are closing down those nasty little shops that might tarnish their image.
Also, as the city expands and real estate in outer areas becomes more desirable, local investors want those shops closed.
Most of the BBS areas in and around GZ are being shut down in preparation for the games, as well.
Mock A Bee
06-01-09, 06:38
First it was the BJ Factory, now The Village, what about Happy Town? I have fond memories of the BBS with the spiral staircase and the 100 RMB BBBJCIM joint on the strip. Is Happy Town still in operation? I do remember heavy LE presence there during my last visit. The BBS would shut the doors when LE came through and open again when they were gone. A real cat and mouse game.
Current status?
OAH
OAH,
Yes, I am sorry too! As neighborhoods get gentrified, they push out the BBS's. You have to go further out now. The 2010 Shanghai Expo is partly to blame as well of course.
Have not checked out much lately.
There used to be a lot of BBS's in my neighborhood, but they are being shut down now.
Unfortunately and fortunately, saunas and freebies remain some of the few best safe bets for service reliability and avoiding LE.
TRL is a complete rip off now, and there are few other good substitutes available.
Hey! why do you need to visit BBS's up here in Shanghai? You can still mostly play all you want for way cheaper in Dongguan!
MAB
Nightwing88
06-01-09, 06:48
Nw,
Great report, you lucky one. I had a time expander when I went there, very mechanical, only trying to get the second 45 minutes (they charge in theory 300 for 45 min but wonder if anybody ever got that). On the coupon, the afternoon is always 600 and the coupon is in the evening taking away the 198 "shower" fee, so your coupon was taken away for no exchange.
FA
Next time I go there, I'll check if I can get the coupon back. But, for the experience I had, the extra 198 they got was worth it!
Nightwing
Mock A Bee
06-01-09, 07:39
Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…
A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.
Girls under 25yo can be very naive and tend to be more idealistic about finding “Mr. Right” for marriage. These girls are not particularly easy unless they perceive you as marriageable or they just want to experiment and/or have some fun. Look for office girls or party girls in clubs, and I know some of you out there hang out on college campuses. However the vast majority of girls in this group are not particularly sophisticated and often don’t make much money. Expect to pay for everything on a date, though if you don’t mind fast food, these girls can be really cheap dates. These girls are almost never very sophisticated.
Girls between 25-30yo have tremendous pressure to get married and don’t really want to waste their time playing around. Girls in this category often make bad targets because they actually want to give it one last shot at getting married before their “best before 30yo” sell-by date. Expect to pay for everything on a date. Generally not very sophisticated girls in this group.
Women/girls 30-35yo tend to start thinking they have less and less chance at getting married. The older they get the less they dwell on the fact that in China they are considered over the hill as far as marriage goes, and they tend to get back into the game more for the physical aspect of sex or companionship/TLC. These girls can still be very physically attractive with nice skin tone, pert breasts (this is why I like relatively skinny girls with small breasts, they tend to have better breasts as they age, less mass to sag!), and many can afford to spend money on makeup and nice clothes to keep their appearances up. There are many married ones in this group, who if they married young can be bored out of their mind! Many have a child, and/or their husbands neglect to spend much time with them or travel a lot for work etc. Many in this group are professionals themselves and simply can’t find the time to find a good husband. Plus they know their husbands are probably having their fun too. This is a prime target age group for finding f**k buddies. I like this group because the really sweet ones want to contribute and will actually start thinking of you as a “friend” but not quite boyfriend. They will start to offer to pay for meals and give you little gifts and actually say “thank you” for such a lovely evening out (awe! Isn’t that sweet?). There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).
Women 35yo and older have mostly given up on marriage (however not necessarily completely given up, they just know it is a long shot) but will entertain the idea of a companion and/or f**k buddy. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer attractive ones beyond 35yo (don’t get me wrong, there are hotties in this group to be found). There are plenty of MILF’s, divorcees, bored housewives, etc. who could use a good hard f**k in this group. Many of them have husbands who frequent BBS’s, saunas, KTV’s, have Er nai (second wives), freebies, etc. (hey wait a minute, this sounds like guys who read ISG!). Basically they have husbands who behave badly (hell, they probably read ISG or the Chinese equivalent!). Women in this group often have buying power and may offer to pay for the cost of going out, or they may even give you nice or thoughtful gifts. Women in this category would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.
Good luck! MAB
OldAsiaHand
06-01-09, 12:58
Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…
A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.
Girls under 25yo can be very naive and tend to be more idealistic about finding “Mr. Right” for marriage. These girls are not particularly easy unless they perceive you as marriageable or they just want to experiment and/or have some fun. Look for office girls or party girls in clubs, and I know some of you out there hang out on college campuses. However the vast majority of girls in this group are not particularly sophisticated and often don’t make much money. Expect to pay for everything on a date, though if you don’t mind fast food, these girls can be really cheap dates. These girls are almost never very sophisticated.
Girls between 25-30yo have tremendous pressure to get married and don’t really want to waste their time playing around. Girls in this category often make bad targets because they actually want to give it one last shot at getting married before their “best before 30yo” sell-by date. Expect to pay for everything on a date. Generally not very sophisticated girls in this group.
Women/girls 30-35yo tend to start thinking they have less and less chance at getting married. The older they get the less they dwell on the fact that in China they are considered over the hill as far as marriage goes, and they tend to get back into the game more for the physical aspect of sex or companionship/TLC. These girls can still be very physically attractive with nice skin tone, pert breasts (this is why I like relatively skinny girls with small breasts, they tend to have better breasts as they age, less mass to sag!), and many can afford to spend money on makeup and nice clothes to keep their appearances up. There are many married ones in this group, who if they married young can be bored out of their mind! Many have a child, and/or their husbands neglect to spend much time with them or travel a lot for work etc. Many in this group are professionals themselves and simply can’t find the time to find a good husband. Plus they know their husbands are probably having their fun too. This is a prime target age group for finding f**k buddies. I like this group because the really sweet ones want to contribute and will actually start thinking of you as a “friend” but not quite boyfriend. They will start to offer to pay for meals and give you little gifts and actually say “thank you” for such a lovely evening out (awe! Isn’t that sweet?). There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).
Women 35yo and older have mostly given up on marriage (however not necessarily completely given up, they just know it is a long shot) but will entertain the idea of a companion and/or f**k buddy. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer attractive ones beyond 35yo (don’t get me wrong, there are hotties in this group to be found). There are plenty of MILF’s, divorcees, bored housewives, etc. who could use a good hard f**k in this group. Many of them have husbands who frequent BBS’s, saunas, KTV’s, have Er nai (second wives), freebies, etc. (hey wait a minute, this sounds like guys who read ISG!). Basically they have husbands who behave badly (hell, they probably read ISG or the Chinese equivalent!). Women in this group often have buying power and may offer to pay for the cost of going out, or they may even give you nice or thoughtful gifts. Women in this category would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.
Good luck! MAB
MAB,
My sentiments exactly about the age groups. I generally stay away from the married ones though. All you need is some jealous local powerful husband finding out you have been doing his wife even if he is out doing it every night. The wrong guy can make your life very difficult in China and with enough power can even make sure you cannot get a visa.
Just my POV.
OAH
went to this chain in the new century pudong area and found it was just veggie (they don't play with meat).
it was 300 rmb for a 90 min very good massage, but no happy ending. the therapist was shocked that i had my clothes off when she entered the room and quickly had me dress into shorts.
oh well, just tftt.
Thanks to the forum I went to experience my first red rope experience. I was in Pudong, but decided to take the taxi to 500 Wuzhong Lu. Along the ride, I was impressed at how modern the architecture of Shanghai is. At the end of the ride I was impressed by how many BBS appear along this street. I went in and self-showered, avoided the guy who spoke no English but wanted to scrub my skin off. Tried a luke-warm hot pool (hope i didn't catch anything there). Then got into japanese pajamas and went up to watch t.v. About 5 minutes later a line-up of 10 girls appeared. I chose the best looker out of my line up. #205 from Chongqing. She was 23 and had a little fat on tummy and ass, but was still nice looking. She had a green tag, meaning less experienced. The red tags were definitely older looking, but should have better skills. My girl had mad skills in the BBBJ, but was clumsy in the red rope technique. O.K. it is more like a silk cloth and she used it to perform an upside down BBBJ. Slowly twisting herself around and then letting go to spin rapidly. Despite the awkwardness, it felt good. I popped once then, rested up, and got a second BBBJ and covered FS for a second pop. For 598RMB it was a good experience. The room could have been nicer and it got rather warm and we didn't have individual control of the AC. Another minor annoyance was the noise of a drunk guy screaming (singing?) at the KTV upstairs was the best thing to put me in the mood. The taxi was 57 going and 87 returning. No traffic either way, so I don't understand the difference in price.
Playboy2000
06-01-09, 15:02
Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…
A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.
Girls under 25yo can be very naive and tend to be more idealistic about finding “Mr. Right” for marriage. These girls are not particularly easy unless they perceive you as marriageable or they just want to experiment and/or have some fun. Look for office girls or party girls in clubs, and I know some of you out there hang out on college campuses. However the vast majority of girls in this group are not particularly sophisticated and often don’t make much money. Expect to pay for everything on a date, though if you don’t mind fast food, these girls can be really cheap dates. These girls are almost never very sophisticated.
Girls between 25-30yo have tremendous pressure to get married and don’t really want to waste their time playing around. Girls in this category often make bad targets because they actually want to give it one last shot at getting married before their “best before 30yo” sell-by date. Expect to pay for everything on a date. Generally not very sophisticated girls in this group.
Women/girls 30-35yo tend to start thinking they have less and less chance at getting married. The older they get the less they dwell on the fact that in China they are considered over the hill as far as marriage goes, and they tend to get back into the game more for the physical aspect of sex or companionship/TLC. These girls can still be very physically attractive with nice skin tone, pert breasts (this is why I like relatively skinny girls with small breasts, they tend to have better breasts as they age, less mass to sag!), and many can afford to spend money on makeup and nice clothes to keep their appearances up. There are many married ones in this group, who if they married young can be bored out of their mind! Many have a child, and/or their husbands neglect to spend much time with them or travel a lot for work etc. Many in this group are professionals themselves and simply can’t find the time to find a good husband. Plus they know their husbands are probably having their fun too. This is a prime target age group for finding f**k buddies. I like this group because the really sweet ones want to contribute and will actually start thinking of you as a “friend” but not quite boyfriend. They will start to offer to pay for meals and give you little gifts and actually say “thank you” for such a lovely evening out (awe! Isn’t that sweet?). There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).
Women 35yo and older have mostly given up on marriage (however not necessarily completely given up, they just know it is a long shot) but will entertain the idea of a companion and/or f**k buddy. Unfortunately there are fewer and fewer attractive ones beyond 35yo (don’t get me wrong, there are hotties in this group to be found). There are plenty of MILF’s, divorcees, bored housewives, etc. who could use a good hard f**k in this group. Many of them have husbands who frequent BBS’s, saunas, KTV’s, have Er nai (second wives), freebies, etc. (hey wait a minute, this sounds like guys who read ISG!). Basically they have husbands who behave badly (hell, they probably read ISG or the Chinese equivalent!). Women in this group often have buying power and may offer to pay for the cost of going out, or they may even give you nice or thoughtful gifts. Women in this category would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.
Good luck! MAB
Very nice summary.But how important is Chinese skills for women in their 30s? Also, where do you meet these girls, on the Internet mostly?
hello,
i've been a long time lurker. i've finally decided to contribute! i'm abc with very good chinese skills, so am familiar with the local scene.
here is the deal with saunas. most of the good local ones are closed. this includes the one on guang ling si lu with a cheap price of 398(! ) as recommended by a bro several months ago. the other local places that are still open are very very crowded. some local places will refuse foreign guests unless you bring along a chinese friend! many saunas experience "fire checks" by le.
for those of you that want some cheap bbs action, there is a strip of them on dong bao xing lu and zhong shan bei lu? . the bbs there offer bbbj and cim (if you can hide your reaction from the girl) for 100 or less. best of all, there is 2 semi-classy establishments on? (you can't miss it, it's big, looks nice, inside is empty. with girls sitting in there) that offer bjs for 100. one of them is next to an internet cafe if i remember correctly. the girls actually look good. good luck convincing them to leave with you, it probably won't work. there are also bbs on adjacent streets available for window shopping.
another good strip is? and? chi feng road and mi yun road. this is probably shanghai's most famous bbs spot for the locals, besides xiao mu qiao road. bbs line? . they even have uniforms. have fun window shopping. full service for 150-200.
for those of you saying bbs are dying, this is only partly true. just look harder for them. you can find a bbs every other street on shanghai. a good hint is free entries and exits. the bridge provides the perfect lighting for bbs. in fact, the freeway entry/exit in my neighbor are all lined with bbs.
personally, i'm more into independent action. hope some bros can share some phone numbers. i personally know some girls that provides very good service for 700-800 (this is including the late night transportation charge). but they do not speak english.! the locals (by this i mean the local rich) pay these "massage therapists" 260 for 90 minutes. full service can be negotiated when the legitimate play is over, usually anywhere between 600-800, 1000 or so for overnight. sometimes it is hit and miss, but when you come across a girl you like, ? ! personally my best bj and hj came from a massage girl.
that's all for now.
happy hunting.
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Ok, just a few words about freebies. A lot has been written already, but this is my 2 fen…
A lot has been discussed about where you find the freebies, such as social networking sites, etc. I am going to attempt to roughly categorize Chinese women based on my experience. Caveat emptor, YMMV.....
Good luck! MAB
Very good summary. Here is my 2 fen ....
The easiest to catch is 30+. You can get them from the internet, cafe, restaurants, retail shops & even elevator.
Based on my experience, if they are willing to meet you in your hotel room you will get a 90+% chance to score. Most of them are still in very good shape and usually very willing to please you. Some of these are so hungry for sex and will try to empty your very last drop.
I have also got some 20+ girls who are willing to pay for dinner or drinks. I think this is rare or maybe I was just lucky. Usually I won't allow them to pay bec I know they don't earn much. These girls may rank 5-7 in look but their kindness is rank 10. If you honestly tell them that you just want to sleep with them, some may actually agree.
Shanghai Fosho
06-02-09, 05:32
What train station is closest to Dong Bao Xing Lu and Zhong Shan Bei Lu?
Many thanks!
Hello,
For those of you that want some cheap bbs action, there is a strip of them on Dong Bao Xing Lu and Zhong Shan Bei Lu? . The bbs there offer BBBJ and cim (if you can hide your reaction from the girl) for 100 or less. Best of all, there is 2 semi-classy establishments on? (You can't miss it, it's big, looks nice, inside is empty. With girls sitting in there) that offer bjs for 100. One of them is next to an internet cafe if I remember correctly. The girls actually look good. Good luck convincing them to leave with you, it probably won't work. There are also bbs on adjacent streets available for window shopping.
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The Chinese characters I typed didn't show up! Some words from my post are also missing.
Dong Bao Xing Lu has a train station, but I'm not sure of its proximity to the location I describe. Also, Xi Bao Xing Lu also has a bbs strip, but I have not been there yet.
What train station is closest to Dong Bao Xing Lu and Zhong Shan Bei Lu?
Many thanks!
Line 3, Dongbaoxing Road Station, also check: http://www.smartshanghai.com/maps/smsh_metromap.php
Levitian
DragonChan
06-02-09, 08:16
Line 3, Dongbaoxing Road Station, also check: http://www.smartshanghai.com/maps/smsh_metromap.php
LevitianLine 8, XiZangBeiLu Station is closer.
Nightwing here with another positive report on Heting. This time, thanks to the 198RMB discount from Sacrosa, I had more incentive to check out this place that has been so readily reviewed by our brothers. A couple of points:
1. Does anyone know when the subway is going to be built in front of Heting? Traffic is a pain to and from this place!
2. Aside from that, the place is fantastic. The dressing room is immaculate, as are the showers, the sauna, the plunge pool. I like that the outside of Heting is all black, and that inside, it's another world designed for comfort and relaxation.
3. At 4pm on a Saturday afternoon, girl selection was very impressive, about 15 girls. I picked a short cutie from Yunnan province. Very sexy hair, sultry eyes and 34C cup breasts. Sorry, forgot the number!!!
4. The room was very nice, with a "full" sized mattress, recessed lighting, good temperature controls (we could turn the AC up or down as needed), and even nice music coming from an Aigo unit.
5. Once in the room, we did not follow the normal routine. Yunnan cutie went straight to DFK, BBBJ, and rubbed her puxxx all over my body. We went straight into covered sex in several positions before finishing in a pile of exhausted sweat on the bed.
6. Only afterwards did we cuddle and chat. She got me hard again, and we proceeded with round two in the bed room. So, for those brothers who asked earlier in the forum, you can get two shots at Heting; but I think it also depends if you can hit it off with the girl.
7. With 10 minutes left in the session, Yunnan cutie wanted round 3. I think if we had more time, I could have done a Nightwing first and given up 3 shots in one session!
8. After leaving the room, service at Heting was excellent as well. Had the Shanghai noodle soup, a Sprite and some sweet dessert soup while relaxing in the rest area.
9. Total cost was 600 RMB with the coupon. Very satisfied, and am definitely coming back to this place again!
Nightwing
Nightwing,
Take the #8 line and exit Siping Lu. Its a short walk up Siping Lu to the Sauna. Its a constuction diasater there now but what part of Shanghai isnt right now, lol.
Happy hunting. PC out
Shanghai Fosho
06-02-09, 17:33
Anyone know if the best train station stop to get off at for this is yanchang rd? Many thanks. This forum has been extremely helpful!
Stumbled across a new area with a number of BBS. 4 of which are not the regular BBS as they only offer FS and whole package deals ie BBBJ then FJ. The diff with these places are most of the girls are 8 and above. Now comes the deal sealer - RMB150 max per pop. Nothing to negotiate.
So get your pens and paper ready, some might even want to have your GPS ready. These shops line the side of 志丹路 zhidan lu between 甘泉路 ganquanlu and 延长路 yanchanglu.
Stop the cab at the corner of zhidanlu and ganquanlu where there are two hair salons and a handphone shop then walk backwards towards yanchanglu for your window shoppping.
Mello Yello
06-03-09, 07:23
For all you wanting a new location to try.
Location: Xietu Lu / Nandan Lu
On the intersection, above the cafe 85c bakery.
Entrance on the left side of the bakery, you can see on the 3/F sign saying SAUNA. Looks run down but still operates.
Entrance: A guy sits there 24/7 to notify the staff upstairs that you are on the way. Once you have exhausted yourself up the stairs, they open the doors to greet you. The reception is small and simple but ok. A sofa is nearby the entrance where you remove your shoes and use flip flops to proceed to the changing rooms next door. You are given a key to open the locker for your clothes. Change into the usual sauna attire, place personal stuff into a bag and head off into your own room to await the arrival of a girl. If you know the girls number than tell them. (*628, great tits, young 21/22, average height, very tight, and not shanghainese! good BBJ).
Room: The room possesses a bed with wall to ceiling mirrors, a ceiling bar for rope tricks, a walk-in shower area with a blow up mattress for soapy massage and a seat for washing.
Soapy massage: Includes the obligatory arse licking with beads, and the all over body suck. After about 20-30 mins, the girl will dry you off and then proceed onto the bed for the main course.
All in all not a bad place, small and quiet. If you get the right girl you could be in for a treat. Last time the girl gave me her number, but deleted from memory for obvious reasons.
Cost: Rmb 640 - Rmb 680 (under Rmb 700)
Also, from my travels around town, I think the BBS's are seriously drying up and I won't be surprised if they are non-existent come Expo 2010. For mongerers not living in SH, I would not be travelling here for P4P in the next 18 months +.
Hmm...what about the towns or cities surrounding or near ShangHai? My China geography is poor, but if there are some smaller and less profile towns like an hour train/bus away, would it be an alternative to mongering in SH?
I'm sure the rich shanghais go somewhere to monger, just like the HK ones go to SZ or CP.
Halloerstmal
06-04-09, 14:06
Bruce,
have a look at the Suzhou section of this forum. Suzhou is a city around 1 h away from Shanghai by car.
HEM
White Dragon
06-05-09, 09:44
Hmm...what about the towns or cities surrounding or near ShangHai? My China geography is poor, but if there are some smaller and less profile towns like an hour train/bus away, would it be an alternative to mongering in SH?
I'm sure the rich shanghais go somewhere to monger, just like the HK ones go to SZ or CP.I seriously doubt shanghai's scene will become 'none existent'. Most sauna's are still open now and still will be through expo. You can try Suzhou but Shanghai's still fat.
For all you wanting a new location to try.
Location: Xietu Lu / Nandan Lu
On the intersection, above the cafe 85c bakery.
Entrance on the left side of the bakery, you can see on the 3/F sign saying SAUNA. Looks run down but still operates.What area of town is this located in.. any known hotels or something nearby?
Have you been to some of the other soapies in SH.. and how does this compare in terms of girl selection, room set up, cleanliness and of course service / attitude?
What area of town is this located in.. any known hotels or something nearby?
Have you been to some of the other soapies in SH.. and how does this compare in terms of girl selection, room set up, cleanliness and of course service / attitude?
Mark,
Try this link and put in the street. You will find it.
http://www.smartshanghai.com/maps/smsh_map_fullscreen.php
Hope it help, PC out
I seriously doubt shanghai's scene will become 'none existent'. Most sauna's are still open now and still will be through expo. You can try Suzhou but Shanghai's still fat.
Also, from my travels around town, I think the BBS's are seriously drying up and I won't be surprised if they are non-existent come Expo 2010. For mongerers not living in SH, I would not be travelling here for P4P in the next 18 months +.
The gov't will clean up the place before the international event takes place. You just look at Beijing before and during the Olympics. SW and BBS was almost non-existent in Beijing.
There will be some places for fun like saunas and KTV's but they will be extremely cautious. ie veggie message. It will be also very dangerous.
Mello Yello
06-06-09, 16:02
What area of town is this located in.. any known hotels or something nearby?
Have you been to some of the other soapies in SH.. and how does this compare in terms of girl selection, room set up, cleanliness and of course service / attitude?
The location is on the intersection of xietu lu / nandan lu, near wanping lu.
Xujiahui & Stadium metro stations are less than 10mins walk.
Closest hotel is Motel168 on Wanping lu, and Radisson Plaza on Tianyaoqiao lu next to Ascenda Plaza.
Score factors out of 10
Room cleanliness: 7.5 (cleaner than most places been to)
Room setup: 7 (no tv, fully aircon'd, large comfy bed, walkin shower area larger than most ordinary bathrooms for soapy massage, water station in room, tissues, bin, ash tray, earbuds, the usual stuff)
Service: 7 (staff don't bother you much, if you need anything just ask)
Girls: 8 (shanghai, anhui, harbin, and others)
There is a lounge waiting area with tv's. You can wait after the deed or stay until morning breaks. Very quiet place for a quick and convenient session.
Hmm...what about the towns or cities surrounding or near ShangHai? My China geography is poor, but if there are some smaller and less profile towns like an hour train/bus away, would it be an alternative to mongering in SH?
I'm sure the rich shanghais go somewhere to monger, just like the HK ones go to SZ or CP.
Bruce, the best option for getting to Suzhou is train. Catch a D train from Shanghai Railway Station, it will take aprox. 40 minutes to Suzhou (usually the second stop).
For tickets there is one English speaking counter at Shanghai Railway Station, be advised that there is no such counter at Suzhou so also buy the return ticket in Shanghai.
After arriving in Suzhou, walk out together with the horde of people to the taxi stand. For saunas (hot spring clubs) the best option is to go to Suzhou Industrial Park (SIP). If you dont speak chinese prepare taxi cards so you can get to the different locations. See posts in the Suzhou thread for more information about the clubs. Two good options are:
The Peninsula Hot Springs Club (located in a neighborhood center behind the Renaissance Hotel).
Whynn International Hot Springs Club (located next to the Shilla Hotel in the Times Square Shopping Area)
Taxi would cost approx 30RMB to Peninsula and 40RMB to Whynn from the railway station.
Havenseven
06-07-09, 07:17
Fellas,
Its quite a while when I stumbled upon ISG and developed a new appetite for my 'unknown realm of mongering'. I am too naïve in this subject and too much to experience yet. I know its been said number of times before but its an obligation to me and I have to say this forum is one of its kind with great wealth of personal experiences.
Well, after RTFF,I tried several places already mentioned here and I wanted to add my 2 cents to some of my known spaces. There I tried to add report but alas I couldn't (before a month or so) . I was ashamed of being selfish in just grabbing without sharing. I don’t know the exact reason.. may be some proxy issue (I guess) and I thought it may be allowed only for subscribed members, that I am not. And I tried again today, just in case, and wow, I am in..
Any ways, here are some tried and tested HE scenes near Pudong Avenue/Zangyang Lu (let me confront some bros in Pudong as not much is written here, except Sacrosa, B2 and merrylin, that is all about Sauna experience. But sometime you are not up for full action and just want to pass time with young beauties pleasing you) All places below are in close proximity to each other, so in case you miss one, just go for another
Zhangyang Lu / Yuanshan Lu : on the corner 4 MPs in a raw, easy to locate (atleast for me as I am from Puxi , work in Pudong and not much familiar. So after tired from work (what a damn excuse) its really good to just get cuddled by lovely ladies)
Service: all of these places offer HJ/HE after massage, and you dont have to be shy to ask if you see its going off the track or better confirm beforehand. rooms are OK, mostly with shower inside. If you are lucky, you get a girl giving you really good massage, but most of the girls are so so in massage. Its better if you speak little mandarin. They usually ready to take off their clothes, once you chat with them and be nice to offer some tip. Once I got ‘LJ’ (Leg Job), where she used legs to shag me off. I am no fetish, but it was good experience to see her long legs in stockings and barely covered pussy.
Girls: above average, young and attractive. I take chances and go for different girls, so cannot really recommend, but most of them are good in their job. Speaks lil English, some are good.
price: from 298 (90 mins) onwards.
Weifang lu/Yuanshan lu : on the corner 2 MPs, beside a Hunan restaurant.
Service : HJ/HE after massage, dress down, body slides, FIV (I am sure you are not looking for only massage, if so go for some legit place). Here you need to take 2 hrs. package to get the job done. And normally girls expect you to tip after deed. Shower in the room.
Girls : young, above average you get a choice from petite to chubby.. its your call. Most of therm speaks English at least for the job.
Price : don’t go for the menu price here, its negotiable, if you are good in negotiation and its not the rush hour, it can be 350 (120 mins), bare in mind girls expect tip.. I hate it so much..
Fushan Lu: Between shangcheng lu and zhangyang lu, aprx. 200 mtrs from any side, look for the neon sign board reading ‘Massage’ with a wine glass, go inside the round gate
Service: footies, body massage and others. Don’t worry, also HJ/HE :D here if you go for footies, that is in joint room with 4 chairs, at the end they will ask you, whether you want body massage and that’s the clue. But if you don’t want to waste time, directly go for full body massage from the menu. They take you to separate room with shower attached. Girl will ask you for ‘xiao fei’ for extra service. Normally its 100 kuai for HJ with dress down and play with them.
Girls : Not much choice, young but average.
Price : 99 for Oily body massage +tip for HJ = 200
Rushan Lu/Yuanshan Lu : from the corner walk towards Dongfang lu and around 100 meters, on the right side, keep looking for a legit kind foot MP. There are 2 of them 20-30 meters apart, I prefer farthest one.
Service: HJ/HE. FS is available but never tried. Ask for ‘anmo’ and they take you upstair, in a small room with a crappy bed. She starts massage but really not into it just rubbing here n there, and will ask for HJ/HE. (You don’t have to worry about language, they know what you want) with extra tip dress down, FIV. Its lil painful as they don’t use oil and its only food for a quick rush session for release.
Girls : no choice, below average, no English (but why do you need it any ways)
Price : 50 for massage + 50 for HJ = 100
I am not repeating any places mentioned near Jingqiao, on weifang lu, etc. please RTFF.
Also there are few more places in the same area, which I yet to try. May be it looks more legit, but I am sure , if you be a lil bold, you are right on the action.
Thanks for all who are contributing here, I will keep posting and happy hunting.
Haven
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Vista Sushi
06-07-09, 14:28
After a long flight, I thought it a good idea to get a good HE massage. Went to 191 Nandan since it was close, although I was debating the new soapy that was posted over on Nandan Dong (east) and Xietu. But with time and money, I can take care of that experience.
This was my first HE oil massage. After 999 and Sacrosa, I thought I needed a new experience. Well, it doesn't compare.
First, you go in. I was automatically ushered in by a girl. Up the stairs, into a room. The room was pretty sketchy. The floor was oily (and I'm only guessing what else). After a little wait the girl comes in. She was a solid 8. The massage was good. It's pretty legit up until she props your legs up on her thighs and starts giving the little man some attention. Eventually flipped over and at that point there was access to touch her. The word 'tip' comes up. She said 200, which I thought fair but then I assumed it covered everything. I tried taking off her top and it went 300. I said no. For 200 I got access to everything downstairs, which was fine for me. I rubbed her off, and no mention of tip was made again.
At the end got stiffed for the foot massage. Apparently everyone was busy. I wasn't really wanting to spend another 40 minutes. I didn't see a number on her to reference, but there's no fishbowl, so unless you've got language skills and are a regular, you get what you get.
The good, is that it's cheap way to get off 228 RMB. If you don't care to touch, you can walk out for 228 RMB. So, long as you can pop, you'll be just as happy. The place is dingy. Just fair warning. You get what you pay for.
Formerlybnc
06-08-09, 02:13
Few places worth mentioning:
1. I have been getting FS from a normal massage place where massages are 30rmb. She never asked for more money or phone number or anything. She teased me with nipple play and kissing. The problem is the shop is really not set up for it so there are plenty of times we simply could not make it happen.
Go to the corner of ShaanXi Lu and Chang Ping Lu. There is a small shop where they have 20rmb foot massage with only 4-5 chairs, then in the back of that there are 2 massage beds with only curtains for "privacy". Make sure to get the furthest back bed. The only time she will do it is when nobody else is in the back section and we get the back bed. Ask for "Cui Hua" to massage you. Best strategy is get a foot massage to break the ice. If she asks how you know her name just BS and say you came here before, heard someone say her name and it looks like her massage skill is good. (Don't expect a supermodel for 30rmb, hump quick and quietly or you will get everyone in trouble and blow a good thing for me)
2. One block down ShaanXi Lu (toward Jing An direction) Between Chang Ping Lu and Kang Ding Lu is a strip of shops that appears to have just opened. They claim they have been there for 3 years, but I have been investigating that block for a while, and at a minimum they have been closed for a long time. There are a few legit foot places, and a few that are definitely questionable. I got FS is the first shop (closest to Chang Ping Lu). They are Wen Zhou girls, which from my experience 95% of the time never offer FS). She asked for 200 but agreed to 150. Guys, PLEASE pay 150. We cant let them get away with charging too much especially 150 now is almost like 200 a few years ago.
Service was very nice, although she got to the point of her massage kind of quick. Her breasts were large, and vag was super clean and smooth but not tight. I took the older of the bunch. There is a young cutie that is worth trying.
fbnc
The Peninsula Hot Springs Club (located in a neighborhood center behind the Renaissance Hotel).
Whynn International Hot Springs Club (located next to the Shilla Hotel in the Times Square Shopping Area)
Taxi would cost approx 30RMB to Peninsula and 40RMB to Whynn from the railway station.What about the Whynn International Hot Springs Club is that good ? i try to find some info on the suzhou topic but without sucess. Can you give more info please?
One Eyed Man
06-08-09, 05:10
Sorry if I'm being dense....
There are women (many are career professionals) in this category who may actually entertain the idea of paying for a duck, which apparently is a fairly popular activity in Shanghai (sorry don’t know much about the duck scene).
Women 35yo ... would rather go out with a thoughtful companion (they miss the TLC) rather than just paying for a duck.
Sorry if I'm being dense....The chinese term for a gigilo is a DUCK. If the significant other catches you servicing their wife on the sly, then you are a "smoked Duck"
What about the Whynn International Hot Springs Club is that good ? i try to find some info on the suzhou topic but without sucess. Can you give more info please?
Hi,
See my post in the Suzhou thread :)
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=886299&postcount=239
Sixty Cent
06-08-09, 12:58
Tonight I had dinner with another girl I know, and she explained to me she is now away from this business because the place she worked at was hunt down, 4 customers and all girls brought to jail, 10 days. With alert to employer and also girl parents.
Next time, it will be 1 year in jail.
Kinda scary so guys, be careful and especially avoid the time around 8pm.
SC
Ira Johnson, the forum rules (blue horizontal bar above - next to "User CP" tab) very clearly state that members are forbidden from self promotional posts, and I am struggling to see how your posts, where you are offering to sell sex aid medicine, are anything other than self promotion.
Not trying to be a jerk, but rules are rules for everyone, not just for some of us. What say ye ?
Black Jack
06-09-09, 11:48
I agree with Sixty, gotta be careful guys. A few nights ago, I decided to check out the BBS strip mentioned recently on the board to see what the big fuss was about. First, I agree with whoever posted that some are very young, and in fact I got confirmation that they are too young, if you know what I mean.
Anyways, I almost got caught up in the middle of a raid. Luckily the one that I was in had a look out person outside and quickly biked locked the doors from the outside and turned down all the lights. Was stuck inside for about 20 mins while LE was trying to open/look inside the curtained windows.
I guess I should've saw that coming, as when first walking down the street, one of the stores had all the girls walking out, as I assume they were tipped off.
Was told there has been a lot of raids recently and even more so in the past couple of weeks. Also that during the past couple of weeks there was a big influx of foreigners, so they aren't sure if there is a connection there. No doubt that our board might of had something to do with that influx..
Furthermore, I personally don't think this area is anything special. I know a lot of the old "famous" BBS area has been shut down recently, but there are still tons around the city. And in any area a bit further away from downtown, you can surely find similar type of bbs, girls, costs. Just takes a bit of exploring..but that's part of the fun, isn't it?
Anyways, just a reminder for everyone to be a bit more careful.
BJ
Tonight I had dinner with another girl I know, and she explained to me she is now away from this business because the place she worked at was hunt down, 4 customers and all girls brought to jail, 10 days. With alert to employer and also girl parents.
Next time, it will be 1 year in jail.
Kinda scary so guys, be careful and especially avoid the time around 8pm.
SC
There was a raid there last night.
Stumbled across a new area with a number of BBS. 4 of which are not the regular BBS as they only offer FS. These shops line the side of 志丹路 zhidan lu between 甘泉路 ganquanlu and 延长路 yanchanglu.
Stop the cab at the corner of zhidanlu and ganquanlu where there are two hair salons and a handphone shop then walk backwards towards yanchanglu for your window shoppping.
SE Asia Joe
06-10-09, 06:04
Ira Johnson, the forum rules (blue horizontal bar above - next to "User CP" tab) very clearly state that members are forbidden from self promotional posts, and I am struggling to see how your posts, where you are offering to sell sex aid medicine, are anything other than self promotion.
Not trying to be a jerk, but rules are rules for everyone, not just for some of us. What say ye ?Yes - agree 100%!! We've seen several of your posts - even in the Photo gallery before it got taken down, offering your pharmacological services and it IS getting to be a bit much.
This is the rule that Lao Ma refers to:
No Self-Promotion: Please do not post any messages anywhere on this site that are primarily for the promotion or advertising of any website, forums, email address, business, multi-level marketing activity, or other entities that you have an affiliation with EXCEPT in the classified advertising section.So perhaps you could restrict your posting of such promotion to the Classified advertising section?
Thanks
SEAJ
Are there any safe massage places right now?
Are there any safe massage places right now? I would also like to know this. I am in Shanghai for work and will leave in about 2 weeks. I would like some good tips on where to go and where to NOT go.
I would also like to know what the normal rates are in Shanghai. I have read some of the latest posts, but many people forget to mension prices.
I would not hesitate to try some random places if it was legal in China, but the recient police-raids has made me very conservative. Is there any "safe" way to do this? Should I try a club, or call a pimp and order someone to the hotell?
What is your recommendations? I would really like to try something different, like a soapy. I live in Germany, so normal brothels is kind of "boring" to me as there are tons of them LEGAL in Germany.
Mello Yello
06-10-09, 13:09
I was pushed for time and it was the afternoon, not the sort of time to go around BBS, so I ended up at a quite decent looking massage/spa on Xietu Lu/Nandan Lu next door to a convenient store and less than 50m from my local sauna place above cafe 85c bakery. (see previous post)
I'd been in this place 3 times before just for a body massage/foot massage for only rmb88. All legit and quite relaxing. Overall, the place is clean, safe and the manager or mamasan who is always dressed very well, is also very pretty and speaks english.
Anyway, this time I wanted to try an oil massage (rmb198), so I told the girl and she ushered me into the furtherest back area of the premises into a room no more than 10ft x 10ft. The room had a small shower cubicle, a massage bed, and an aircon unit. OK, so I waited no more than a minute when the prettiest girl arrives. (9/10 stunner). She then makes the bed, and gives me a pair of disposable paper shorts to put on. (to be honest, a waste of time as she'll have them off later!). So onto the oil massage on the back first, then the legs. Thats when she then removes the paper shorts. (20mins into massage). So off they come, with a struggle, and then proceeds to massage the important areas. Very erotic, enough to have you gagging for it. After 10 mins of ball tickling, she turns you over for the main event. No need to describe, but as I said, this girl is definitely a 9 and with a great smile. Tried to touch her up, she never resisted but then again never got much muff to play with. But had I changed positions slightly then a different story.
So to finish, a quick shower, and pay the girl at the desk only rmb198. There were other prices, rmb298 & rmb398 longer time and probably more variety, but will try it out one bored day.
I normally don't do the HE stuff, but I thought i'd try it to see what the fuss was all about. It's ok once in a while, and besides you get a half decent massage as well. Better still, it won't be raided!
Will see another place just opposite soon, so will keep you guys posted soon.
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I'm heading over to shanghai for the first time soon. First time in China. I've heard from people that some hotels have massage parlors in the hotel? Is this true? Whats the best option for a newbie who won't want to travel far from hotel? I will most likely be staying at a big chain hotel like Sheraton, Intercontinental, Hilton, etc. Any options for incall. Calling girls to room?
Ira Johnson, the forum rules (blue horizontal bar above - next to "User CP" tab) very clearly state that members are forbidden from self promotional posts, and I am struggling to see how your posts, where you are offering to sell sex aid medicine, are anything other than self promotion.
Not trying to be a jerk, but rules are rules for everyone, not just for some of us. What say ye ?You're probably right.
I'm not sure it's as much self-promotion as a public service.
I tried some of Ira's medication just for the hell of it. While I didn't get the distance reported by some, I sure got extra mileage in a couple of sprints.
The prices for hermetically sealed stuff with all the trappings of anything you'd find in a legitimate pharmacy stateside or in the UK are ridiculously reasonable. Nobody is making a fortune on this.
I got three outstanding results one afternoon including 999 and two BBS girls simultaneously; and then 999 again within 24 hours. 999 is ridiculously expensive, but it is a kick to pick from a bevy of semi-beauties. 805 is a fine young lady who goes well beyond the routine; 855 ain't so good.
The only negative about Ira's junk is a little headache htat persists as long as the effects do.- a semi-buzz.
But you're right. Business is business.
White Dragon
06-11-09, 02:50
Are there any safe massage places right now? Impossible to say but here are some of my experiences and thoughts that may or may not help.
I've been caught up in 2 raids many years ago, both at bbs places, so lets start there. Both times they occurred somewhere between 8-10pm. Undercover cops came in with digital camera's. Both places offered FS and had a good selection of cute young girls (why I was there). Fortunately both times I was fully clothed and nothing had happened yet. 1st time they told me to leave, second time I had to stay until senior policeman arrived. 2nd time I spoke with cop saying I didn''t have my passport with me and I was there for legitimate massage. No photo's were taken and eventually I was released. Bbs places are dangerous because they are easy to enter and for locals to see whats going on but good in the sense not only FS is offered. You could just be in for a HJ. They can technically only prove FS if they photograph you in the act (thank goodness that never happened). I've had some harrowing experiences in my life and this was certainly one of them. My advice is to avoid the mid evening times. It makes sense thats when they will raid as the streets are quiter after rush hour and dinner, bbs have most girls and customers then and the fuzz don't have to work too late into the night. Avoid FS in a bbs where there is no security setup/warning system/lock on booth. Don't take your pants off and if caught insist you are there for legit massage. Personally I don't think they care about HJ (but I could be wrong), only shops promoting FS, possibly BJ (riskier activities) and shops that are 'enslaving' lots of young girls, usually from other provinces and often possibly also working illegally in shanghai (another reason to raid).
Sauna's are a whole other ballgame because it is obvious FS is the caper going down and you can't exactly escape, especially when your stuff is in a locker. Again avoid certain times of the night and choose less busy times. If a sauna has been raided, shut down and re-opened it may be safe as they may have effectively paid off police but its NO gaurantee. Same with classy established places, there's NO gaurantee they will be spared. But I suppose places that invest and make money are going to fair better with police.
The safest way is to try pick up freebies or WG's from bars or massage services to your room/home where you have some added safety/privacy and harder for police to follow or prove things. Its much easier for them to raid establishments or areas than individuals.
Take care out there! I was lucky with my bbs experiences but they were NOT fun.
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Vista Sushi
06-11-09, 15:31
Went for a walk tonight. My objective #1 was to go to a Sauna. But, before that I thought I'd get myself worked up by checking out the BBS scene. If I saw something I liked, I'd bite.
Getting to these couldn't be easier. First hop on the subway. It's not so hard really. If you have never done it than you've never experienced Shanghai. Go to the kiosk. Hit the "English" button. Hit #4 Line. Look for Dong'An Station. It'll be South West side of town in puxi. Pop in your change and a card will come out. Take that card to the turnstiles and place it atop the reader thing. If you don't know what you're doing just watch people. You'll get it. Now, just take what ever trains you must and changeover wherever you must, and get out at Dong'An Rd Station. Upon exit you'll follow the signs to the exit. You'll put the card into the turnstile and walk through. If you look clueless enough maybe a cute girl will help you and you'll end up with a freebie.
Okay, so exit. You'll want to exit such that you are deposited on the south side of Ling Ling Lu. Okay, so start walking east. When you exit the station just keep on that side of the road. Your first target will be up on your right. It's a door that's nestled between what looks like a cig shop and a local dive restaurant. If it is night, the pink will be on. Look in, double back, if you like it go for it. Keep walking if not. Keep walking. That's really it for a while. Keep on the south side of the road. You'll see another place coming up. Looks a little classier. Take a look. If not, keep walking. Now, at the next intersection, you can move to the other side of the road (north side). Now there will be about 3-4 options. Just keep walking and you'll see them. One had some big busty types. The next-to-the last had some young ones. Essentially keep walking until you hit Damuqiao Station. Double back if you want to see more. At Damuqiao station you have some options if you didn't like what you saw. 1) you can keep BBSing. Go north on DaMuQiao and just walk around the block. 2) Hop on the train and go back to Shanghai Indoor Stadium exit and go south on TianYaoQiao to 999 3) Go home.
Conclusion, I didn't like what I saw on offer around 8-9 pm. So I went to 2nd a "new" sauna on Xietu Lu and Nan Dan Dong Lu. Report to follow.
Ice Dragon
06-11-09, 15:32
Are there any safe massage places right now?I've got my ears quite close to the ground in the Laoshan Lu / Weifang Lu area, Tequila is kept under LE pressure, many face in window joints are gone, but no word of raids. Last known raid in Laoshan lu was last September, one lady held overnight for questioning, released. Business in this area died with the Olympics, yet many new (smart) establishments have opened. Tequila's neighbour, previouly known on the board as a FS joint at 288 rmb, has changed hands, is now owned by an ex cop. It's theme is reverse foot massage, a lady in special silk stockings gives a body massage using her feet. All the rage in Shanghai or so the Laoban Niang informs me!
ID
Ice Dragon
06-11-09, 15:35
I've got my ears quite close to the ground in the Laoshan Lu / Weifang Lu area, Tequila is kept under LE pressure, many face in window joints are gone, but no word of raids. Last known raid in Laoshan lu was last September, one lady held overnight for questioning, released. Business in this area died with the Olympics, yet many new (smart) establishments have opened. Tequila's neighbour, previouly known on the board as a FS joint at 288 rmb, has changed hands, is now owned by an ex cop. It's theme is reverse foot massage, a lady in special silk stockings gives a body massage using her feet. All the rage in Shanghai or so the Laoban Niang informs me!
ID
Vista Sushi
06-11-09, 15:57
Went to the Xietu and Nandan Dong (east) Lu Soapy that was previously reported. Liked the fact that the location was close to XuJiaHui where I live. I can walk. After the fact on my way home I can stop by Harley's and get a beer.
Okay, if you aren't in Xujiahui, then you can 1) take a taxi or 2) you can take the subway to the Xujiahui station and exit #9. Go north on Caoxi lu and turn left on Nan Dan Dong Lu. At some point you'll want to cross the road, but that's not a big deal. A couple blocks down you'll hit the Nandan/Xietu intersection. You'll see the bakery that was reported. Most people are just drinking the rancid milk tea stuff, but anyways, some of the cakes look nice. Go around the corner a bit and there will be a guy on the outside with a 2 way radio sitting on a chair. Just walk in the entrance. He'll say "San Low", which is 3rd floor. You'll walk up, sit down, they'll take your shoes like its a bowling alley and you'll walk too the changing room like slippers. Unlike 999 (comparing) you'll skip the shower (it's a soapy after all). You'll disrobe, go to a room. A girl will walk in. She'll ask if she is okay. If not say no...saying 'Boo Shuh' will work with a thumbs down if you don't like. They'll send another. So, basically, no lineup.
From there she'll take care of you. The program (comparing again) isn't as methodical as 999. But there were some highlights. The colonoscopy (AR) was spirited. Everything else seemed to be somewhat freestyle. She'll ask you if you want soapy, pointing towards it. Of course you do. Otherwise just go to Sacrosa. It's good slippery fun. After all that you go to the small bed. From there the drill starts with BBBJ. I think she used some sort of menthol stuff becuase my little man was tingly. I ended doggy, that's how I like it. I bring my own raincoats because they fit and feel better. I'd suggest the same.
Okay, so rankings
Girl: #628
Tits: 8
Butt: 7
Abs: 7
Overall: 7.5
BBBJ: 9
GFE: 8 - she made lots of porn star sounds and had a good performance
Repeat: 999 is a 15 minute walk...no
Time: 60 minutes...felt rushed
Damage: 766 @ 9pm (peak rate) incl 18 for beer.
Conclusion: It's an okay place. I think that it is second fiddle to 999. 999 is just very consistent and hard to beat. I'd repeat after I worked my way through all the 999 girls. That would be prohibitively expensive.
Vista Sushi
06-11-09, 16:17
I would also like to know this. I am in Shanghai for work and will leave in about 2 weeks. I would like some good tips on where to go and where to NOT go.
I would also like to know what the normal rates are in Shanghai. I have read some of the latest posts, but many people forget to mention prices.
I would not hesitate to try some random places if it was legal in China, but the recent police-raids has made me very conservative. Is there any "safe" way to do this? Should I try a club, or call a pimp and order someone to the hotel?
What is your recommendations? I would really like to try something different, like a soapy. I live in Germany, so normal brothels is kind of "boring" to me as there are tons of them LEGAL in Germany.
The experience will be very different from Germany. So, don't discount it. I'd suggest 999 as a soapy. Just search the forum for directions and details. It's a lot of fun. RTFF
If you are in to raw stuff, then BBS's are good. Requires some foot work. You don't seem to want to take a risk, so best just to avoid it.
If you want some sport, you can try the Tong Ren Lu rip-off bars. You'll get a lot of different options there. If you can tell the difference between a Chinese, Filipina, or Vietnamese girl, you can have a lot of fun.
Market Prices:
Soapy FS Massage: 700 RMB (999 before 8pm is 680 RMB)
Non-soapy FS massage: 550 RMB (Sacrosa before 8pm is 550 RMB)
Peak-time (later than 8pm) add about 150 RMB
HE Oil massage: 250-300 RMB
Craigslist FS: 600-800 RMB
BBS: 200-300 (HJ/BBBJ to FS)
TongRenLu take home FS: 600-800 RMB (ST to LT, Filipina 800, Chinese 600) + cost of drinks $$$$$
Greek: 1200 RMB (FS to Greek can be 100 RMB, but depends on the girl)
Ira Johnson
06-12-09, 03:31
For those of you that do not read the photo gallery (and why wouldn't you?), I want to share the departure of a legend. I hope it is only temporary.
Of all the bros I have met through this forum, Eaglestar is far and away my closest personal friend. He and I have had differences of opinion and debated war stories, but he has been a gentleman and guru throughout.
His photos and tales of freebies have inspired many of us, and personally I have a track record I am proud of - due primarily to what I learned from Eaglestar.
He deserves his own thread here, describing the ways and means of hunting for non-P4P. This is not my idea, but has been suggested by many others. So far he's been humble and quiet about the praise heaped upon him, but perhaps we can get him to continue to hold court while he is on sabbatical...
Now he's leaving the land of the freebies and headed back to the land of the not-so-free. I don't know his plans for sure, but I am praying he makes a safe return to these shores.
Brethren - Coffee, tea, water, beer - whatever you are quaffing right now - lift it in toast to a legend.
Eaglestar, you will be missed. Come back soon.
I
Dragon,
You are being paged.................
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Originally Posted by Beijing Xiber
I thought Dragon D already has this type service in Shanghai. Maybe he can expand to all around China and sell franchises!
Keep safe.
BJXB
Is Dragon D still operating? How well is he doing? does he do anything else besides guiding ISG mongers? Just curious.
Perhaps Dragon D himself could answer??!
Yooooohoooooo.............. Dragon...... Give us all a shout!!
SEAJ
On my way out of Shanghai. The Shanghai hotel 4th floor is closed. The owner moved around the corner---walking out of hotel Lobby, turn left, second street turn left. Half way down the block.
Have fun.Do you have the name of the place? I'll be in Shanghai next week.
All this closing is sad news. I wonder where the WG are moving to for business... Hong Kong?
Very good summary. Here is my 2 fen.
The easiest to catch is 30+. You can get them from the internet, cafe, restaurants, retail shops & even elevator.Hi there,
I will be in SH again early July and mid-July for 4 days each, so not much time to really build any relationships. Typically I just frequented the Saunas and Tongren Lu during my stay, but the first scares me a bit with raids and the latter is getting tiresome as the girls there are only looking for money (even though they went home with me "for free", they quickly asked presents) and are rather low-level in their english skills.
So for meeting a more decent girl (that does not want to marry me outright. Been there as well.), what are good places? At Xin Tian Di I always ended up with hookers.
Also, can you recommend a good "dating" site?
Thanks!
PS: Please continue reports on Saunas closed/raided, though the lack of such postings only indicates that nobody really knows how serious it is?
Vista Sushi
06-14-09, 04:47
PS: Please continue reports on Saunas closed/raided, though the lack of such postings only indicates that nobody really knows how serious it is?
It's not too serious. The truth is that there are way too many FS Saunas and BBS's (hundreds if not thousands) in town for the government to shut down. Keep in mind that these places were designed by and for locals. We are just guests. What may draw LE is a bunch of foreign guys lurking around one area. That would give them an opportunity to exert extra pressure in the form of higher fees on those establishments. Raids are the way to do it.
There doesn't seem to be a concerted effort to clean places up. It's just a one-by-one occurrence. It may even be scheduled around official reviews where local officials clean up the streets for a couple days while the senior official tours. Then it is ignored until the next review.
If you are really worried about a raid you can go further out into suburbia. One place that has a lot of BBS (easily 15-20 on a Saturday night) is up in Baoshan district. Songfa Subway station is the easiest way to get there. And walk the streets of Songnan and Changjiang. There is actually one right next to the police station.
Vista Sushi
06-14-09, 05:05
So for meeting a more decent girl (that does not want to marry me outright. Been there as well.), what are good places? At Xin Tian Di I always ended up with hookers.
My experience is that it is nearly random. Decent girls don't hang out on TRL or in bars for that matter. I think a low-key Starbucks in a area frequented by foreigners is a best bet (Zhongshan Park, Xujiahui, Jing'An). It's not hard to find a female freind if you just want to hang out and be friends. You can find those on Craigslist too. Most do not want to get entangled seriously with a visitor.
My experience is that getting to something sexual takes time, money, and adds complications. A good mix for me is to make friends with local girl(s) for companionship and take care of your physical needs at the Sauna, BBS, etc. It's basically what Chinese men do...they have a wife they rarely have sex with after childbirth and use the establishments for physical needs.
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