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Shanghai Guide
01-13-14, 21:57
Join our Shanghai Nightlife KTV Party on this Friday (17th).

This time we changed to a more "uperclass" KTV with better rooms and High Class girls selection.

They also have "student" girls (young Chinese girls in student uniforms) for selection, so if you like it, come over!

If you like to join us, than feel free to show to our party night.

How will it work:

- The party fee for the evening is 1000 RMB for each of us including all room and crew fee and a free flow of beer and soft drinks for the night.

- Our party start this Friday 17th of January at 7:30 pm with a short introduction, than we will select the girls.

- The sitting fee will be 500 for a normal girl. 600 for "special" ones. 700 for a model (and they have REALLY HOT Model-Girls there)

- In our party we will not sing (except someone like to, so you should not be afraid about that) , but we play and drink together with the girls.

- Sitting fee in our KTV also include a lot of naughty games with touching and so on (the girls will be sometimes topless or even take off their underwear).

- If you like to take out your girl later when the party is finished, the short time fee will be 1500, overnight 2000 RMB. We also have a "arrangement" with the mamasan, so if you like to pick up a sexy young Chinese girl later after you joined our party one time, you can contact our Mamasan and only pay the Mamasan Fee (RMB 600) and select your girl or even call her to your room, so after you join our party, than later no room or party necessary any more, so it is also a good investment for your future pickup adventures.

If you are new to the "KTV-Party-Thing" or never checked out a naughty KTV, you should take this chance and join our party.

More details and a booking form, you can find here:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.our-ktv-party/

Hope we can have a great party night together.

Steven

Persian Fellow
01-15-14, 18:11
I guess he is talking about that Kitty:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/sweet-kitty-escort/

For Zapata`s I attached a location card for mobile phones (but can also be downloaded in our "Pickup-Bar" Area).

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/pickup-bars/zapata-s/Hi Shanghai Guide,

Baby C is also on the site and since Poker Broker was not happy with her, seems the girls on the site are somehow hit & miss?!

Anyway thanks for the link.

Fellow

SHTravel
01-18-14, 00:54
Will be in SH for the next 3 weeks again. How's the availability of girls at the big saunas? Still a good selection or not worth going?

And what's Red Rope in Chinese?

Thanks for your answers!

Chuckle One
01-18-14, 08:28
Will be in SH for the next 3 weeks again. How's the availability of girls at the big saunas? Still a good selection or not worth going?

And what's Red Rope in Chinese?

Thanks for your answers!Expect some slim pickins I'm afraid. Most of the provincial girls will be heading home by the 25th or so. Even the Viets at Manhattan should be clearing out by the 26th or so. I am in the same bait arriving in SH on the 23 and staying till the 1st. Will be checking out the sauna at Merrylin hotel Thursday evening.

Mighty Spearsman
01-18-14, 23:49
Will be in SH for the next 3 weeks again. How's the availability of girls at the big saunas? Still a good selection or not worth going?

And what's Red Rope in Chinese?

Thanks for your answers!Ah yes, a newbie with only one post, asking a question whose answer can be easily found with a few minutes of effort. The term "red rope" has been discussed numerous times on this forum, so. RTFF!

The Shanghai Nightlife Guide that was quoted in several recent posts also discusses Red Rope and lists the AMPs where a customer can hopefully obtain that service.

By the way, this particular service is becoming harder to find, but is well worth it if provided by someone who knows what they're doing. I received a memorable red rope service at Hailang Spa in March 2012 (Post # 5103, over 150 pages below this one).

Happy reading!

Gymrat
01-22-14, 20:49
First trip into Shanghai in a few weeks. I've read down through the last 20 pages or so plus did a search for Zhongshan Park and didn't find much info. Is there much to do in the area?

I've been to Guangzhou numerous times and Beijing a few times so I'm ok with the China drill, but have no experience in Shanghai.

Thanks guys.

Shanghai Guide
01-23-14, 03:49
Will be in SH for the next 3 weeks again. How's the availability of girls at the big saunas? Still a good selection or not worth going?

And what's Red Rope in Chinese?

Thanks for your answers!I guess you will not have any problem to have fun in a Sauna or in Manhattan. From my view, you should remember you can not have fun with more than 3 girls at the same time, so it can at the venue will be less selection, but every place will still have enough sexy girls for you. In the Sauna Clubs, there will be less girls, but also less customers. For example in in Jun Hao you will have 70 to 100 girls on a good day, but even on that day - because the club will be busy - for selection never more than 15 to 20 girls "on the stage". Now with only 40 girls and less customers, you still will have 10 to 20 for selection, and there is no rule only the pretty ones will go home for holiday. Also in Manhattan you will have less girls, but also less customers, but it will never be really "dead" there, so overall no need to worry.

Masslin
01-23-14, 03:50
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And what's Red Rope in Chinese?

Thanks for your answers!It's called Hong Sheng. Feitian sauna do have this servie, just google feitian sauna, you'll get the address.

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LennyLein
01-23-14, 06:41
Went to 1808 Beijing Lu a couple of times last year and was always offered the "Romantic Massage" for 398 RMB (the one including FS after the massage). However it seems this is no longer on the menu.

Been there twice already this year and the girl at the desk only offered a 298 RMB massage which would include a titty job at the end, but she insisted that there is no 398 RMB massage.

Mighty Spearsman
01-23-14, 16:09
Went to 1808 Beijing Lu a couple of times last year and was always offered the "Romantic Massage" for 398 RMB (the one including FS after the massage). However it seems this is no longer on the menu.

Been there twice already this year and the girl at the desk only offered a 298 RMB massage which would include a titty job at the end, but she insisted that there is no 398 RMB massage.I'm impressed. Your report is proof that a first-time report by a newbie poster can actually give useful information instead of asking dumb questions like "are there any working girls in Shanghai?".

Sounds like you know a decent amount about the Shanghai scene, particularly the BBSs. I look forward to reading more reports from you.

Beijing4987
01-23-14, 21:38
Lenny.

Which providers at 1808 were good and which ones are to be avoided? Did they ask for a tip above the 298 rate? Did #10 return? #8 told me she was at another location.

BJ.

Went to 1808 Beijing Lu a couple of times last year and was always offered the "Romantic Massage" for 398 RMB (the one including FS after the massage). However it seems this is no longer on the menu.

Been there twice already this year and the girl at the desk only offered a 298 RMB massage which would include a titty job at the end, but she insisted that there is no 398 RMB massage.[/QUOTE]

LennyLein
01-24-14, 02:44
Lenny.

Which providers at 1808 were good and which ones are to be avoided? Did they ask for a tip above the 298 rate? Did #10 return? #8 told me she was at another locationI didn't go for the 298 massage. Just went there twice this year to check whether the "Romantic Massage" was still available. When they said no just left since I wasn't looking for just a "titty job". FS might probably still be available if you negotiate with the girl directly. But I guesstimate that would cost you an additional 200-300 and for that money a sauna is the better option.

Before, none of the girls ever asked for a tip. I usually asked for #6 or #9 since they both gave a decent massage and FS afterwards.

Cooler Wolf2
01-24-14, 03:01
Gents,

Apologies for interrupting the flow of reports.

I have an urgent request from a mate based in a small town in Anhui. Seems he has picked up a dose and rather than go local. He apparently is one of around laowais where he is based and worries about confidentiality. Is asking if anyone knows of a pharmacy in Shanghai where he can pick up a Z-PAK? I did hear that several years back there were places that offered a 'prescription service' I. E. You give scientific name and they arrange a script for an additional fee.

He's in town this weekend, so if anyone could provide an update / relevant info, he'the be very grateful.

And yes. For all you jokers out there. It really is for a mate&65281;

Heuristic
01-24-14, 03:33
Gents,

Apologies for interrupting the flow of reports.

I have an urgent request from a mate based in a small town in Anhui. Seems he has picked up a dose and rather than go local. He apparently is one of around laowais where he is based and worries about confidentiality. Is asking if anyone knows of a pharmacy in Shanghai where he can pick up a Z-PAK? I did hear that several years back there were places that offered a 'prescription service' I. E. You give scientific name and they arrange a script for an additional fee.

He's in town this weekend, so if anyone could provide an update / relevant info, he'the be very grateful.

And yes. For all you jokers out there. It really is for a mate.Your mate should simply walk into the closest pharmacy and ask for a Z-pak. They are often on display (under glass) and I have never had any trouble picking up a Z-pak without a prescription.

SamCan
01-24-14, 04:13
Gents,

Apologies for interrupting the flow of reports.

I have an urgent request from a mate based in a small town in Anhui. Seems he has picked up a dose and rather than go local. He apparently is one of around laowais where he is based and worries about confidentiality. Is asking if anyone knows of a pharmacy in Shanghai where he can pick up a Z-PAK? I did hear that several years back there were places that offered a 'prescription service' I. E. You give scientific name and they arrange a script for an additional fee.

He's in town this weekend, so if anyone could provide an update / relevant info, he'the be very grateful.

And yes. For all you jokers out there. It really is for a mate&65281; I don't, but if you read back, you will find a few pages back a pharmacy that does viagra. If they do that, maybe they will do this? I don't know the Chinese term for azithromicin.

I did not know that was enough to clear a dose? I carry it all the time for traveller's sickness (the shitz) when I am overseas. Can any monger verify that will do the trick?

Cooler Wolf2
01-24-14, 07:19
Can any monger verify that will do the trick?Thanks Sam. Fortunately, I am anything but an expert in these matters.

If any of the regulars do have better advice. Probably through experience. It would be appreciated. PM's moe than welcome if posters would rather not go public.

I've tried to persuade him to go to a public hospital in Shanghai but he's reluctant to have it on file. That and the fact his Chinese is crap and he doesn't want the few Chinese friends he has there to be in the know.

If anything its a reminder that even freebies here have their risks and protection is always a smarter choice.

Levitian
01-24-14, 09:55
Thanks Sam. Fortunately, I am anything but an expert in these matters.

If any of the regulars do have better advice. Probably through experience. It would be appreciated. PM's moe than welcome if posters would rather not go public.

I've tried to persuade him to go to a public hospital in Shanghai but he's reluctant to have it on file. That and the fact his Chinese is crap and he doesn't want the few Chinese friends he has there to be in the know.

If anything its a reminder that even freebies here have their risks and protection is always a smarter choice.There are many foreign doctors and hospitals in Shanghai, now, IF he actually really does need a prescription.
I just would simply try my luck, here, best in pharmacies, which are a bit in more remote places, and where business is slow.

Lev

Ikksman
01-24-14, 12:45
It's called Hong Sheng. Feitian sauna do have this servie, just google feitian sauna, you'll get the address.Red rope service!

Member #4643
01-24-14, 15:44
There are many foreign doctors and hospitals in Shanghai, now, IF he actually really does need a prescription.

I just would simply try my luck, here, best in pharmacies, which are a bit in more remote places, and where business is slow.

LevHttp://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/779587

Going to the doctor is the best option, but this is what the doctor will prescribe, I think.

Canyon
01-26-14, 07:01
I've read through the forum looking for a good sauna. I got a few names, but I would like to ask members if they would give me the names of three of the best high-end saunas, I. E. Cute young girls, good service, and nice atmosphere and surroundings. Please include name and address as well as description. I would much appreciate it. I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my forum reading, so a clear statement of three good ones would be great.

Carage
01-26-14, 16:23
I've read through the forum looking for a good sauna. I got a few names, but I would like to ask members if they would give me the names of three of the best high-end saunas, I. E. Cute young girls, good service, and nice atmosphere and surroundings. Please include name and address as well as description. I would much appreciate it. I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my forum reading, so a clear statement of three good ones would be great.The problem is during the CNY Holiday period, a lot of the girls are gone.

Mighty Spearsman
01-26-14, 17:56
I've read through the forum looking for a good sauna. I got a few names, but I would like to ask members if they would give me the names of three of the best high-end saunas, I. E. Cute young girls, good service, and nice atmosphere and surroundings. Please include name and address as well as description. I would much appreciate it. I'm somewhat overwhelmed by my forum reading, so a clear statement of three good ones would be great.I'm sure that others may respectfully disagree, but my impression was that 3 of the top saunas were Hailang, Heting and Sacrosa.

I've only been to HaiLang Spa, partially because they offered the Red Rope service, and will modestly recommend that you read my two reports, one of which includes a scan of their business card with directions:

1264678 - has scan of business card

1264682

Note: between January 30 and February 6th or 7th, 2014, these places may be closed or at least have curtailed service with very few girls

Gaist Asia
01-27-14, 01:18
Here is an advice for all who are looking for FS but don't want to pay the sauna fees.

There are plenty of massage shops at Hongsong Road between Hongjing Road and Jinhui Road. In total around 15 to 20. They offer massage and FS (60min / 1 pop) for 400. The rooms are comparable to the normal massage places with separate shower. Okay, to be honest the massage quality is not the best but we are not going there for this. Even at this time of the year still plenty of girls to choose from.

This might be a area to go if you think BBS is too crappy and sauna too expensive.

Does anyone know a similar shop at Xujiahui? Or at least a MP that offers BJ.

Happy New Year!

Comrade 2255
01-27-14, 05:02
Using QQ's equivalent of Google's street view, I was checking a strip in Baoshan district to see if one particular shop was still active.

Got my answer, see the attached screen grabs of a lady in a mini-skirt (mid-screen) heading for the BBS (far left). Seems she had just been dropped off by the silver car as the QQ camera man was passing.

Unfortunately the board has a 648 pixel width restriction on pics so I had to shrink them considerably. If your browser doesn't auto-stretch a pic in a new window try the mouse scroll wheel while holding down Ctrl.

Canyon
01-27-14, 07:27
Spearsman,

Thank you very much.

Canyon.


I'm sure that others may respectfully disagree, but my impression was that 3 of the top saunas were Hailang, Heting and Sacrosa.

I've only been to HaiLang Spa, partially because they offered the Red Rope service, and will modestly recommend that you read my two reports, one of which includes a scan of their business card with directions:

1264678. Has scan of business card.

1264682

Note: between January 30 and February 6th or 7th. 2014, these places may be closed or at least have curtailed service with very few girls

Gao Xing
01-28-14, 10:52
I'm sure that others may respectfully disagree, but my impression was that 3 of the top saunas were Hailang, Heting and Sacrosa.My two fen: I haven't heard anything good about Sacrosa in a long time. Siyuan, which is right next door, is much better. I would also add Bodi to the list as the #1 sauna in Shanghai followed by Siyuan. For third place, hard to say, but Hailang is a good choice. I don't know Heting. Yes, girls are fewer during CNY, but they are still there. Siyuan will have about 20 girls working over the holiday.

SwordFishing
01-28-14, 11:33
Went to 1808 Beijing road 5 days ago, they said their best service was a 258 kuai body rub. Girl number 1 was skilled but greedy, told me I can touch, I ask can she take the clothes off, she says gimmie 300 tip. Keep touching is 200. I say no to both but ask will she finish my HJ if I don't pay extra she says yes. Stopped touching didn't take her clothes off finished and then she says now gimmie a tip. I give 200 because I'm stupid, pay the 258 at the table after, then leave.

Also went to a spot a just a few doors down from The Max Pub 3 days ago, which is a pretty cool bar BTW, on fujian middle road and fuzhong road near the stupid mint place. The menu says blah blah blah cheap this cheap that then something for 250ish something for 350ish then something for 800ish. I ask at the counter if they'll da3 my fei1 ji1 and I forgot her number points happily at the 800 option. I say too expensive, she says ok 300 then, I say yes. Good massage and good HJ. Asked about the clothes and she whispers she's not allowed but I can touch for 200 and clothes come off for 3. I say no, she finishes her job. Didn't ask for a tip and I didn't give her one. Left happy.

Also went to Hailang spa today at like 2pm. They said right this way for your 880 kuai massage, I said how about red rope service, they said ok wait 20 minutes I say ok. 20 later they say only one girl, I think number 007, I say ok, she washes me, clothes off, gives a little BBBJ on the bed and the tons of nipple lick thing then finishes me with her hands and somw oil. I'm thinking cool, two pops from the red rope and FS that is sure to come next and ill be really happy, but no. All done. Another shower, then dries me, dials the phone hands it to me and a no english voice says something something I say hao and they hang up. Bleh. Totally not worth the money even though its my fault for not complaining and demanding and whatnot. The girl spoke no english but enough of the men do that I could have at least voiced my frustration I'm sure, but for me if I have to complain it ruins it anyway so I didn't bother. Plus it's not like the door staff would give me a discount for frowning at them. Plus maybe I don't even want to lay a girl who I got to get grumpy with before she'll give it up. Ok that last parts not true I still do but oh well.

Your kilometers might vary a lot because Chinese new year and because my Chinese is ok.

Beijing4987
01-28-14, 18:00
[QUOTE=Swordfishing; 1524795]Went to 1808 Beijing road 5 days ago, they said their best service was a 258 kuai body rub. Girl number 1 was skilled but greedy, told me I can touch, I ask can she take the clothes off, she says gimmie 300 tip. Keep touching is 200. I say no to both but ask will she finish my HJ if I don't pay extra she says yes. Stopped touching didn't take her clothes off finished and then she says now gimmie a tip. I give 200 because I'm stupid, pay the 258 at the table after, then leave.

I'm groaning now! Can it be that bad, when it once was so good. Will Changping and Shaanxi Lu be next to go downhill like this?
Sam? Any comments

SwordFishing
01-28-14, 18:45
I wouldn't stress it too much mate, it's probably a combination of several things. New year slow business, I admitted it was my first time there which always sets you up for subpar service, and I'm entirely too nice and chatty with them. It's good Chinese practice but nice guys always make the worst mongers. Pretty sure all I had to do was say oi gimmie them nips and haha no tip for you, but I always forget to be a dick while following my dick.

Beijing4987
01-28-14, 20:38
I have many fond memories (7 years now) from that location and the alley way Mp on Wuning Road(at the corner of Wanhangdu Rd in Jingan) with the same owner. I'm always interested in which providers are the most open to roaming and DATY. I even got BBBJ there in November and DATY with two if them. If course prices will go up. One gal told me the difference between the 208 and 258 oily was a better quality oil. What a scam. Still I will return to sample the wares.

BJ.

]I wouldn't stress it too much mate, it's probably a combination of several things. New year slow business, I admitted it was my first time there which always sets you up for subpar service, and I'm entirely too nice and chatty with them. It's good Chinese practice but nice guys always make the worst mongers. Pretty sure all I had to do was say oi gimmie them nips and haha no tip for you, but I always forget to be a dick while following my dick.[/QUOTE]

Carage
01-29-14, 00:10
My two fen: I haven't heard anything good about Sacrosa in a long time. Siyuan, which is right next door, is much better. I would also add Bodi to the list as the #1 sauna in Shanghai followed by Siyuan. For third place, hard to say, but Hailang is a good choice. I don't know Heting. Yes, girls are fewer during CNY, but they are still there. Siyuan will have about 20 girls working over the holiday.I would like to second your recommendations with some reservations.

I too have not heard anything good about Sacrosa for awhile.

I've only been there once, and never returned.

But I am a frequent customer of SiYuan which is near by.

Bodi may be the top sauna in Pudong, but I can't say that for all of Shanghai.

I have not been to Hailang either, so I can't comment on that.

But for a fact I know that Southern (Nanfang) and New Jade Screen (Xinyunping) have a lot more to offer in terms of girl selection.

I hope the waiting line is a lot lesser during the CNY period.

I have not been to Heting for at least two years so this is based on old memory and a lot may be changed.

Heting no doubt offers great service.

Yet for me and some of my friends, there are four deal killers.

1. No nuru massage / wet area, dry bed service only.

2. Cash only. If you don't have cash you need to run across the street to find an ATM.

3. Small pool of girls to choose from.

4. No extra services like foot massage or ear cleaning in the lounge.

SamCan
01-29-14, 01:55
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I'm groaning now! Can it be that bad, when it once was so good. Will Changping and Shaanxi Lu be next to go downhill like this?

Sam? Any commentsAn admitted new guy. Go get a good HJ. Pay a lot if you have to. So the little guy can think more straight. From then on push for more, , I had a girl want 500 for a HJ. I had had so many girls by then, I almost didn't care if I got off. She needed the money more than I needed the pop. I started to pull the blue shorts up. She quickly came down to 150 for roaming and a HJ. I probably could have kissed her nips for that but I was too tired.

Can someone report on Xikang road? The MP on the right when heading up? I never made it inside but it is on my list for next time.

Sam Can

LennyLein
01-29-14, 02:29
Will Changping and Shaanxi Lu be next to go downhill like this?

Sam? Any commentsJumping in here. In my opinion it already has gone downhill. Used to have a membership card there (Massage + BBBJ for 258 RMB) but after the management changed they wouldn't accept it any longer and quoted the full price (around 350 now). Also the service quality wasn't too impressive. Or maybe I was just unlucky.

Any recent recommendations on girls for that place?

Mighty Spearsman
01-29-14, 14:55
, Yet for me and some of my friends, there are four deal killers.

1. No nuru massage / wet area, dry bed service only.

2. Cash only. If you don't have cash you need to run across the street to find an ATM.

3. Small pool of girls to choose from.

4. No extra services like foot massage or ear cleaning in the lounge.I'm surprised to read that "cash only" is a deal killer for you. In my 30+ years of mongering, I've always paid cash, every time. IMHO it's just not worth the risks to use a credit card, both for the possibility of misuse / identity theft and for the paper trail that is created.

Plus it helps keep this hobby under control. If I did charge freely, I might be happier but more broke than I already am.

Carage
01-30-14, 00:56
I'm surprised to read that "cash only" is a deal killer for you. In my 30+ years of mongering, I've always paid cash, every time. IMHO it's just not worth the risks to use a credit card, both for the possibility of misuse / identity theft and for the paper trail that is created.

Plus it helps keep this hobby under control. If I did charge freely, I might be happier but more broke than I already am.I am just not accustomed to having a huge wad of cash in my wallet.

SamCan
01-30-14, 01:11
Jumping in here. In my opinion it already has gone downhill. Used to have a membership card there (Massage + BBBJ for 258 RMB) but after the management changed they wouldn't accept it any longer and quoted the full price (around 350 now). Also the service quality wasn't too impressive. Or maybe I was just unlucky.

Any recent recommendations on girls for that place?We mean the place on the corner not the one on Chanping Lu. (buddha place). The one across the street on the corner didn't have a membership card did it? I never got asked for one.

Anyway, I did make girl recommendations back in September. Seek and you shall find.

Beijing4987
01-30-14, 03:42
There is usually a number on the storefront. How about posting that number?
If the post is current the provider's worker number is helpful. Otherwise its TOFT. Sending a PM helps to avoid confusion and all the back and forth Q&A on the threads.

We mean the place on the corner not the one on Chanping Lu. (buddha place). The one across the street on the corner didn't have a membership card did it? I never got asked for one.

Anyway, I did make girl recommendations back in September. Seek and you shall find.[/QUOTE]

Mighty Spearsman
01-30-14, 17:55
Hi guys,

The above mentioned website seems to have dissapeared. It was really useful.

Anyone knows what happened?What happened is that your message is commercial spam by a first-time poster. I've already contacted Jackson (the site administrator) and your message should be either deleted or transferred to the commercial ads section shortly.

Shame on you! The website has not disappeared, you are just trying to get guys to go check it out.

Plus you mis-spelled the word "disappeared" LOL.

Please stay off this website. We don't need people like you cluttering up our site.

Art Shanghai
01-30-14, 23:49
What? Really? As far as I know, the web site referred to is run by a guy who posts on this board frequently,"Shanghai Nightlife", and he's actually been quite informative. He also organizes KTV parties and publicizes them on this board. And I checked, the web site does seem to be down.

Search the forums for "Shanghai Nightlife" before you lash out at people!


What happened is that your message is commercial spam by a first-time poster. I've already contacted Jackson (the site administrator) and your message should be either deleted or transferred to the commercial ads section shortly.

Shame on you! The website has not disappeared, you are just trying to get guys to go check it out.

Plus you mis-spelled the word "disappeared" LOL.

Please stay off this website. We don't need people like you cluttering up our site.

Art Shanghai
01-30-14, 23:52
Agreed. I only ever bring the right amount of cash. I always leave all my ATM cards, credit cards, ID cards, etc, at home. It also helps you to not over tip.


I'm surprised to read that "cash only" is a deal killer for you. In my 30+ years of mongering, I've always paid cash, every time. IMHO it's just not worth the risks to use a credit card, both for the possibility of misuse / identity theft and for the paper trail that is created.

Plus it helps keep this hobby under control. If I did charge freely, I might be happier but more broke than I already am.

Shanghai Guide
01-31-14, 08:35
hi guys,

the above mentioned website seems to have dissapeared. it was really useful.

anyone knows what happened?hi martin, we had some problems with our hosting providers. because of a missunderstanding our provider moved the page to a chinese server to "speed it up". but as you know, content like that should not be hosted in china, so we needed to move it back and have been "out of web" for some days. now all back to normal and i hope we can go on to provide usefull information.

enjoy shanghai,

steven

CHRick
01-31-14, 20:59
Hi guys,

I'm a first poster, because until now I was just reading here. The reason why I registered is because I'm leaving for Shanghai and Beijing tomorrow with a friend. But I just can't figure out where to go to get some pussy. I'm a little rusty as I just came out of a long term relationship so sorry if my questions seem stupid :P.

I was in Shanghai in 2012 and had a great time. Actually I am not sure if I used this page then as well to find some good places, but I did find them somehow.

The problem now is that I really want to show my friend how great this city is in terms of sex, but I just don't have enough time to re-read all those pages. I hope for your support.

Last time, I was lead to some dark business building near Pudong, where I had to drive with the elevator to the 21st floor. There I was welcomed by a security guy who escorted me to a counter. I could choose out of a menu and chose something around 800 RMB. Next was a change of clothes / shower and then I had to sit for a minute in a small room with a TV before the security guy came to get me. I was escorted to a group of around ten girls from which I could pick. The service was great with all kinds of specials and she let me come twice in about 90 minutes. (I don't really know what kind of place that was, it was neither a sauna or massage place, as I got neither of both. Ok maybe a massage place, as I remember she gave me a little massage after the first pop.)

I search a place like that with good looking girls. The price would be ok but as I read here are usually 90 minutes more around 300 RMB?

I still don't get the picture with the BBS and KTVs too. I saw them in Vietnam too, but I never figured out how that's supposed to work. You just walk in and then? Sorry for the stupid questions. I usually got girls in Bars until now. Except for a few times with other foreigners who showed me to such locations.

Could you eventually recommend me some places? I know, I know. Just read. But I just don't know where to start. There are posts from 8 years or so in here and most of the places probably don't exist anymore. And like I said, I obviously paid too much last time. I read here that 1000 RMB is usually for the whole night or even two girls. So if I knew the places and pricing plus that there are gorgeous girls. That would be great.

Thanks for your help guys!

Mighty Spearsman
02-01-14, 03:39
Hi guys,

I'm a first poster, because until now I was just reading here.

The problem now is that I really want to show my friend how great this city is in terms of sex, but I just don't have enough time to re-read all those pages. I hope for your support.

Could you eventually recommend me some places? I know, I know. Just read. But I just don't know where to start. There are posts from 8 years or so in here and most of the places probably don't exist anymore. And like I said, I obviously paid too much last time. I read here that 1000 RMB is usually for the whole night or even two girls. So if I knew the places and pricing plus that there are gorgeous girls. That would be great.

Thanks for your help guys!Actually you only have to read the next 25 posts (approx. 1 1/2 pages) to gain lots of useful info about a wide range of places to visit!

Shanghai Guide
02-01-14, 09:15
Hi guys,

I'm a first poster, because until now I was just reading here.

Could you eventually recommend me some places?

Thanks for your help guys!First of all: You will find offers or girls for service all over the city (for example on the street they will approach to you and offer some "special service") , but don`t go in any place you did not find here in the forum or on our page.

www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com

Because otherwise also could be a rip off. There are "black shops" for rip off foreigners. The "official" ones I talk about here are very secure and no need to worry, but black shops can cost you up to 10 000 RMB and will bring you a lot of trouble, so avoid! You can read about that here in the forum or check out our warning collection here:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/chef-s-suggestion/basic-tips/

Check also the comments on that page, so you will get a feeling what can happen, if you think you are able to ignore this recommendation. So NEVER EVER follow someone on the street!

I know it is hard to find the right informations, when you are totally new to a city and it could need long time to pick out the most valuable informations here, so just for newbies here a short introduction to the Shanghai Girls Fun Scene (sort by rates) :

The cheapest way to get full service in Shanghai is to visit a BARBERSHOP. Here you will have 5 to 10 girls who provide blowjob and normal Sex for around 200 RMB for 10 to 15 minutes. It`s not really a great deal, because first they will be in rush, second you will have lousy hygienic conditions, third they will overcharge foreigner (ask for 400 most time) and without Chinese hard to negotiate and get what you want.

For around 300 RMB you can get a happy ending massage (most time only with handjob, sometimes also with blowjob) in a MASSAGE PARLOR. There are plenty around everywhere. If a massage has sexy dressed girls and japanese signs on it, you can nearly be sure they serve more than only a legit massage. This places have better hygienic conditioins (at least shower in the room, plastic cover for the bed and so on). But if you don`t know the right places, you have a risk to be overcharged again. From foreigners they will ask most time for a tip for the happy ending, and some girls will ask for 300 or 500 for that, so overall more expensive than a sauna and you get much less service. But if you know the right places, you can get a good massage with happy ending for a reasonable price. You can check the last posts here, some guys talked about a place like that. I know a shop where you pay 289 for that and the girls are STRICLY forbidden to ask for tip and they definitly will not. Send a private message, if you like to get the location.

You need to spend around 400 to 450 RMB for a FULL SEX PARLOR. This places are hard to find, because they don`t look very different to the barbershops, but here you can get nearly the same service than in a sauna (massage, blowjob, covered sex) and the girls are most time very young and sexy. You book for one shot (maximum 45 to 60 minutes) , in the room you also will find shower and so on, the girls are not professional trained like in a sauna, but on the other side a much higher chance to get a girlfriend experience. The problem will be, that you need at least someone who can speak a little Chinese, because they also offer different services. If you can pronounce "zuo ai" (make love) , than they should know what you want.

There are QQ PROSTITUTES around the city. QQ is a messenger on computer or phone where they will connect you and offer their service in a chat. You have to go to their rooms, than you can get full sex service session for around 400 RMB short time and 800 RMB long time, but without Chinese skills no chance and most of them will rip off foreigners by overcharging (and also most of the pictures you will get for selection will be fakes).

The best deal for foreigner newbies will be a SEX SAUNA. Here you spend around 600 to 900 RMB for a session of 60 to 90 minutes including everything. Sometimes Nuru massage (the girl will rub over your body with nuru or soap gelly) , sometimes cosplay (with different costumes like student, nurse a. S. O.) or strip dance, most time fire and ice massage (where the girl will lick and suck over your whole body with hot or cold water in her mouth) , bareback blowjob and covered sex. Most sauna places will also offer a second shot in the time, for additional 300 to 500 RMB you can also book a second girl for your session. By the way, that was the kind of place you have been alread. In the sauna they only offer one service, so everyone know exactly what you are looking for, so just go in and they will guide you step by step to shower, girls selection and session room, so no need for any Chinese skills.

You can find a sauna map here:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/girls-sauna-shanghai/shanghai-sauna-map/

Also easy for foreigners are the PICKUP BARS. There are two famous ones, the Manhattan Club and Judy`s. Both are walking distance to Jing An Temple, both offer a huge selection of vietnamese girls who will go home with you for around 800 to 1000 for short time or 1500 to 2000 for overnight (prices rised up a lot last 2 years!). Both clubs are easy to handle. Just go inside, order a drink (for a normal price) , look around, start eye contact with a girl, than she will come over. You can flirt with her now and some minutes later she will tell you she want to go home with you, than you can clear service and price, that`s it. Only be carefull not to make a overnight deal with 100% advanced payment, because than you have a good chance that she will find an excuse to leave after the first pop (but only to go back to the club and find another stupid guy like you for the rest of the night).

You can find a list of the best pickup bars here:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/pickup-bars/

A little bit more expensive are the ESCORT GIRLS. You can find outcall agencies and pages with independent escort girls all over the web, but be carefull, because first most of them in Shanghai work with faked pictures and profiles (means: it doesn`t matter which girl you select, they will send you the only old ugly one they have). Second they work with a very strong "upselling strategy". When you contact them, they will offer you a 90 minutes massage for 800 RMB, than if you want her to get naked, they will ask for another 500, for blow another 500 and so on. Finally the session (with a not so attractive girl) will be 3000 RMB or more. We try to find the very less reliable ones who agree to work with real pictures and second agree to publish her final price, but in the whole city we did not find more than 20 till now (you can check out some girls here:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/real-escort-girls/

)

KTV GIRLS: A KTV is a karaoke club, where they will provide girls who sit with you, sing with you (in a really naughty club there will be less or no singing) and also go home with you after the party. That`s the typical Chinese way to pick up girls, so you will find very less Chinese customers in a pickup bar. The ktvs have a great selection of girls (some up to 200 or 300 young sexy girls) , some will offer "special games" in the club up to a blowjob, some only a strip or even only cuddling and kissing. Most of the clubs need Chinese language skills to communicate, some also will be able to arrange a western party. The price range in a Shanghai KTV Club is wide, some will do a party for 3000, other will charge 10 000 for the same party, depends on the "level" of the club. For a party you need to be at least 3 guys, as more, as better (because cost for mamasan, room and so on can be shared, and also, who want`s to drink alone with his girl in a room?). For a party you have to pay the room and stuff fee (for example Mamasan, DJ, Waiter). This will be 1500 to 5000 RMB (depends how many guys you are and the level of the club) , than a sitting fee for the girl for the party (should be around 300 to 600 RMB, sometimes also 1000 RMB for a sexy girl in a high end club). Addtional you have to pay the drinks, this will be 35 for a beer up to 100 for a beer, also depends on the club. The "takeout fee" for the girl will be around 1000 to 2000 for short time. 1500 to 3000 for overnight (but high level girls in some clubs can also charge double or more). If you like to check that out, I recommend this medium priced club:

http://www.shanghai-nightlife-guide.com/ktv-nightclub-shanghai/cosmo-ktv-1/

They have a mamasan who can speak good english and also can host your party, so no Chinese skills necessary. And they offer a lot of naughty games there.

I will attach some "location cards" here, so it should be easy for you and your friends to find the places. Just put them on your mobile phone and show them to the taxi driver.

Enjoy Shanghai,

Steven

Gubba
02-04-14, 00:58
Hey guys,

I don't usually post reviews but I've read a lot if yours in last 20 years of travelling and this time I just got to share an incredible experience I had with a girl called Georgina. Based in Shanghai. She is 26, European and speaks multiple languages including English fluently.

I met this girl via Craig's list and she interested me from the start describing herself as a sub. At first our schedules did not match but we kept in touch and she kept me interested by stories of sex parties and gang bangs where she was fucked by 6 guys and still horny. She told me she rarely cums.

Finally I managed to get back to Shanghai and we arranged to meet at my hotel. I agreed 3 times the price that I normally get fucked for in Shanghai for an all night session with no limits.

She arrived at my hotel wearing a coat and high heeled boots. I had told her my likes and she dressed for me. We had a drink to break the ice and I could see fishnets and a lot of nice leg as the coat split open. Satisfied with each other we went to my room. I'd been upgraded to a nice suite which was a great place to entertain and have the best experience of my life.

I had a bottle of champagne on ice to get the night going and she took off her coat and revealed fishnet body stocking and leather mini skirt. First touch I found open crutch and she was wet and shivered when I touched her pussy. We didn't wait to finish the glass and I fucked her first time standing against the bar. Neither of us came and we stopped to enjoy the champagne and when we kissed her tongue was in the back of my throat. She has amazing boobs. Not big but really sensitive. Very slim waist and the cutest butt I ever fucked.

The suite had big glass wall. She already told me she liked to be fucked in public. So I'd pushed the sofa against the window and opened all the blinds. She kneeled on the window shelf facing the neighbouring tower and I fucked her from behind. My neighbours must have enjoyed a great show. Then I laid her on the sofa and went to work eating her pussy. I'm good at this and I was diving on her for long time building her up till she was bucking and screaming. I held on and was still eating her as she came.

The room had a heavy Chinese screen. The movable kind with hinges and a trellis of heavy bars and gaps. I'd positioned it in front of a big wall mirror next to the windows. Georgina was naked and changed into Louboutin heels the ones with the red soles. I helped her to climb onto the screen and tied her arms to the top and her ankles to the bottom classic spread eagle. Not comfortable for her but turned me on instantly and I fucked her again from behind watching her face in the mirror. A fucking great time I had.

I untied her and put her across my knees. Her cute butt was to tempting and I smacked it. She liked that so I spanked her more and eventually as hard as I could. I am not a small guy and when I stopped my hand was as red as her butt. I carried on spanking with a wooden shoe horn I found in the wardrobe and I fucked her same time with the clothes brush. After a long time she asked me to stop and I carried her into the bedroom and give her back massage with baby oil. She let me finger her anus as I fucked her face down. No anal but I hope she will let me teach her next time. I was still fucking her when she fell asleep at 5am! I pulled covers over us and we cuddled until morning.

I been fucking around the world for 20 years and had some great times. But this girl was the best I ever had. 6 hours of sex and eight condoms.

Every word above is true without exaggeration. If you in Shanghai you got to try her. It's an amazing experience.

CHRick
02-04-14, 10:26
Hey Steven,

Thanks for this great overview. I'm enjoying the city so far in the normal nightlife, as we get free drinks everywhere. But now I'm finally able to go and have some fun.

I will keep my eyes open for BBS + Massage then as they seem to have the best value.

Thanks again!

Skane
02-04-14, 16:03
Hi,

I am a first poster, because I was just reading the reports here until now. Last week I met Cathy in my hotel, before dating her, I read all her reports here, it seems many guys like her, so I ended up choosing her to make me relax totally.

I picked her up in the lobby, she is almost on time. She looks much better than the pictures on her website, and she dressed elegant (a pink skirt inside and a navy blue coat ). After entering my room, we enjoyed some chocolates and then she went to bathroom for shower and washing teeth. She jumped into bed and was soon going down on me BBBJ, licking from the bottom up with her soft tongue, then showly swallowing. Suddenly she asked me," Can you watch how I suck you with more pillows under your head?" I smiled to her and did it. It seems she knows how to suck different guys, before I met some other Chinese escorts, they didn't offer very good job. But she sucked me very gentle and slowly with her lips and tongue, I prefer gentle way than rough way. Her another great skill is DT, that's really very fantastic. She took ALL my big dick in her throat and I did feel her soft and tiny throat.

I took a quick shower as she did, she asked me whether I need the second turn or not, I replied that I would rather to talk with her for a while. She is talkative, I like talking with her. We talked about her industry and european economy.

I had a great time with Cathy, I will choose her next time when I come back to Shanghai.

JercDevil
02-04-14, 17:28
Hey guys,

I don't usually post reviews but I've read a lot if yours in last 20 years of travelling and this time I just got to share an incredible experience I had with a girl called Georgina. Based in Shanghai. She is 26, European and speaks multiple languages including English fluently.

I met this girl via Craig's list and she interested me from the start describing herself as a sub. At first our schedules did not match but we kept in touch and she kept me interested by stories of sex parties and gang bangs where she was fucked by 6 guys and still horny. She told me she rarely cums.

Finally I managed to get back to Shanghai and we arranged to meet at my hotel. I agreed 3 times the price that I normally get fucked for in Shanghai for an all night session with no limits.

She arrived at my hotel wearing a coat and high heeled boots. I had told her my likes and she dressed for me. We had a drink to break the ice and I could see fishnets and a lot of nice leg as the coat split open. Satisfied with each other we went to my room. I'd been upgraded to a nice suite which was a great place to entertain and have the best experience of my life..Bubba will be there next week. Any contact info and price.

Skepti10
02-05-14, 00:16
Shanghai guide. Any more info you can provide for these full sex parlors for 400-500rmb. Quality of girls compared to bbs / saunas? Any you recommend in Pudong?

BushWhack
02-05-14, 09:02
Went to Manhattan last night at midnight. Still Spring Festival in China so I didn't know what to expect. The place was full but not packed. Maybe twenty girls and fifty guys, but most of the guys were drinking in small groups and seemed uninterested in the girls. Better for me! One girl caught my eye, sitting just inside the door but she was a bit thick / pudgy and that is not my type. About halfway through my beer a girl who seemed to be at a table with two guys approached me, Kim from Ho Chi Minh City had a very exotic smile. She seemed to have the tatoo eyebrows and red lips which only made her more exotic looking. We chatted for 10 minutes or so and she promised she could make me very happy (she spoke little English but know the key phrases!). I asked her how much, she asked me what I wanted to give to her. My regular provider is out of town for Festival and I normally give her RMB 1, 000 for overnight so I was prepared to give 1, 000, and on the spur of the moment I offered her 1, 000 with a 500 tip if she indeed made me very happy.

Off to my apartment. Kim is about 30 years old but with breasts of a 20 year old, large and round. Great ass, small waste and that is my style so I hit the jackpot. And then, I found she is a sex maniac as well. I could not cum, one of those nights when it just wasn't going to happen, but she would not stop. I tried three or four times to roll to the other side of the bed and give her the opportunity to stop for a while, each time she mounted me and went sort of crazy on me. It was awesome and eventually I blew the load (one hour, I think). Then some sleep, but I discovered she is a heavy sleeper because I played all over her, inserted fingers and kissed and licked and she slept peacefully.

Great night, and yes, I'm very happy. By the way, in this forum Viet seem to have a bad reputation but this experience is consistent with the Viets I've had from Orchard, Beach Club, Maggies and Manhattan. All good.

Bad Boy Billy
02-05-14, 22:14
By the way, in this forum Viet seem to have a bad reputation but this experience is consistent with the Viets I've had from Orchard, Beach Club, Maggies and Manhattan. All good.Your report was going ok until this last statement mate:

1. Viets certainly do not have bad reputation in this thread. Indeed if you want FL pick-up in western style bars the Viets at Manhattan / Judys are your best bet in town.

2. Viets have NEVER worked at Maggies. Except for 2 or 3 girls for a VERY VERY short stint 2 years back.

Gubba
02-06-14, 01:36
Bubba will be there next week. Any contact info and price.She asked 5000 we settled on 3000 all night.

I will PM her email. Tell her I recommend you. Have fun.

Gubba
02-06-14, 01:44
Bubba will be there next week. Any contact info and price.Can't PM. Need membership.

Pushkin13
02-06-14, 08:19
Hey guys,

I don't usually post reviews but I've read a lot if yours in last 20 years of travelling and this time I just got to share an incredible experience I had with a girl called Georgina. Based in Shanghai. She is 26, European and speaks multiple languages including English fluently.

I met this girl via Craig's list and she interested me from the start describing herself as a sub. At first our schedules did not match but we kept in touch and she kept me interested by stories of sex parties and gang bangs where she was fucked by 6 guys and still horny. She told me she rarely cums.

I been fucking around the world for 20 years and had some great times. But this girl was the best I ever had. 6 hours of sex and eight condoms.

Every word above is true without exaggeration. If you in Shanghai you got to try her. It's an amazing experience.F*king around the world for 20 years, and this is your first ISG post? Hahaha.

Just my laughing opinion.

P13

Five Aces
02-06-14, 08:20
I have many fond memories (7 years now) from that location and the alley way Mp on Wuning Road (at the corner of Wanhangdu Road in Jingan) with the same owner. I'm always interested in which providers are the most open to roaming and DATY. I even got BBBJ there in November and DATY with two if them.

BJ.

Don't get mad at me again but I'm glad to hear that you've moved on from the disappearing hair pie. Well yes, she was sweet.

Shanghai Guide
02-06-14, 13:31
Shanghai guide. Any more info you can provide for these full sex parlors for 400-500rmb. Quality of girls compared to bbs / saunas? Any you recommend in Pudong?The quality of the girls in that full sex parlor should be similar to the Sauna Clubs. Because of the less selection compared to a Sauna, could be not something for every taste, but I found some really stunning babes there already. We include some of the shops in our "guided tour" and last time we went to both (Sauna and Sex Parlor) and the customer told me, he liked the selection and service in the parlor more than in the sauna). But I found only very less of that shops in Shanghai till now, and not even one in Pudong (but that also could be, because all of us life in Puxi, so not mongering around in Pudong too much). And it`s hard for us to find new ones, because we don`t visit BBS often, and from outside, there will be not really a clear difference to a BBS. Could be a little bit bigger and more "clean", but that`s only soft facts, so could be you will walk into a barbershop and find out, it`s a full sex parlor. Most informations we got from a Chinese friend who sometimes monger around in barbershops, but he also don`t visit shops in Pudong.

BionicMan
02-06-14, 13:39
F*king around the world for 20 years, and this is your first ISG post? Hahaha.

Just my laughing opinion.

P13I join in the laughs. He is probably advertising his sister.

LaosHu69
02-07-14, 09:26
Bretheren,

Just to report that there is action in the past 3 days at the BBS and "Foot Massage places" in the neighbouring streets of the Hyat on the Bund (figure the hotel name out yourself). Lights are low and the places might look closed. Once you get closer you see the SP's inside.

Cong Xi Fa Chai!

Lao

Gymrat
02-08-14, 20:51
Thanks for all the info on here guys. But, my first Shanghai visit was kind of a bust. Got sick about a day and a half into the layover, must have been the poor air as I got better as soon as I was out of the country.

Did make one massage joint second night in town. It was on Wuyi Road about 100 meters west of Kaixuan Road on the south side of the street (and across street from a foot massage joint). It was standard happy ending joint described on here. 288 rnb for "oil massage" (not on posted menu) for about 45 minutes with great GFE from a great looking girl with a great rack. She was alread stripped down to the waste on the flip and immediately stuck a nipple in my face just to make sure I understood that was ok LOL.

For the old heads. She opened her mouth and gave me a 4 signal. I assumed she was offering a BJ but I wasn't sure if she was asking 4,40 or 400 rnb so I said no. Any idea what the offer was? Guess I need to learn some more Chinese LOL. As a side note, the girls in Guangzhou seemed to know more English. Odd since Shanghai seems to be a more international city.

There was another massage place on the northeast corner of Wuyi and Kaixuan, anyone ever been in there? It was my next place to try but didn't go out after the second night.

The Gymrat

PS. The shop also charged a 15 rmb "festival" charge as we were leaving. Poor form I thought as it wasn't mentioned as we came in. But, overall. I'll go back!

Ringer5
02-09-14, 02:07
For the old heads. She opened her mouth and gave me a 4 signal. I assumed she was offering a BJ but I wasn't sure if she was asking 4,40 or 400 rnb so I said no. Any idea what the offer was?You were correct, she was offering a BJ for 400 rmb. A bit expensive (depending on the place) but she was banking on you not thinking logically at that point!

Ice Dragon
02-09-14, 10:23
PS. The shop also charged a 15 rmb "festival" charge as we were leaving. Poor form I thought as it wasn't mentioned as we came in. But, overall. I'll go back!The car wash in Pudian Lu also charged me a 15rmb festival surcharge! So 15 rmb at the MP is not too bad!

Dongguan Doug
02-09-14, 10:53
I've been in Shanghai for a few months now and can't seem to find a BBS that will do anything for under RMB 300. I saw 200 and they so no. I then walk out and they don't chase or come down on price.

I'm mostly talking about the Anyuan Lu locations but maybe you can all recommend so other places (both in Puxi or Pudong) where 200 is the standard price.

Thanks.

DD.


Recently there has been some discussion about prices. So I wanted to make some observations, and ask some questions about bbs mongering. I've been in SH for two years now and have used bbs's on average once per week.

The price two years ago was pretty standard at 200 RMB. Also the package was standardised: BBBJ (occasionally CBJ) followed by covered sex (sometimes uncovered offered as well).

I did once negotiate the price down to 150 RMB. This was Spring 2012. But the plan backfired because the girl – who was incidentally nice looking and young – immediately started complaining that it was too little. She kept telling me to hurry up (she could speak some English which is unusual for a bbs) and told me that the guy in the next booth had paid 400 RMB. That may have been true because I heard an American voice say. 'that's about the best I can do' to his girl! My girl heard it too and began shouting in pidgin English to the guy. Just nonsense talk really but it put me off my stroke.

So since then I've paid 150 for BJ and 200 for FS. Occasionally (maybe three or four times) I've gone to 300. But the last three months I've been quoted 300 on a pretty regular basis. I have to point out that this is at new places (or new girls) where I wasn't recognised. I won't pay it. But it leads me to a question: where, how, and with whom do you negotiate?

Normally I walk in the shop, take the first girl on offer, go to the room and then negotiate. In fact I think I've always done it this way. But on this site I have read that some guys ask about services and prices in the shop. I'm not sure how this works. Sometimes people talk about a mamasan or papasan with whom they negotiate. I have only rarely seen a papasan. Maybe three times (and I inferred from their presence that there were some potential LE problems) and when I walked in the shop they never raised their head or offered to engage in any way. There is one shop on Pu Dong Nan Lu (near to the junction with Tan Qiao Lu where there seems to be a mamasan and she will mediate on any problems (she is also available for sex which I personally find quite arousing).

As stated on this site previously, knowledge of prices is the most powerful weapon on a monger's armour. Hence this appeal for further views.

The second pearl of wisdom is that in mongering, as with all things Chinese, personal relationships are important. If you go to the same girl regularly, the service and the price will be much better. Problem is of course that girls tend to move on but using the same shop helps a lot. The providers realise you know the craic and don't try to exploit you. The disadvantage with this approach is that you may become a familiar face with the locals. My method is to regularly use two or three bbs's in different streets.

TomSf
02-09-14, 11:09
I've been in Shanghai for a few months now and can't seem to find a BBS that will do anything for under RMB 300. I saw 200 and they so no. I then walk out and they don't chase or come down on price.

I'm mostly talking about the Anyuan Lu locations but maybe you can all recommend so other places (both in Puxi or Pudong) where 200 is the standard price.

Thanks.

DD.That is good to know it is possible to find action for 200. When I was there $450 was the lowest I could get. I do not know what it is called but it is the streets that has the window shops where you can see the girls. These were everywhere is Shanghai. Sorry I don't have the street names where I went. I actually found by accident. Problem with these places are it is a rushed service because they fear police will run in. So you are in and out. Outcall services from cards was $700 RMB. I think you have to go outside the main city to get the cheap prices. Shanghai is expensive. It is just so big it is hard to explore when traveling by taxi.

Peter Christo
02-09-14, 14:22
I've been in Shanghai for a few months now and can't seem to find a BBS that will do anything for under RMB 300. I saw 200 and they so no. I then walk out and they don't chase or come down on price.

I'm mostly talking about the Anyuan Lu locations but maybe you can all recommend so other places (both in Puxi or Pudong) where 200 is the standard price.

Thanks.

DD.Try around the Sheraton Pudong Hotel area. There at least 6 quickie joints in the area that you only need to pay 200rmb. Some of the girls are good (8+) so they might cost you more. Last time I used their services it was 4 months ago. Last month I had a walk in the area and found the talent had improved. But in all its quick domed BJ and FS. Not high standard sex.

JTurnBow
02-09-14, 17:33
I've been in Shanghai for a few months now and can't seem to find a BBS that will do anything for under RMB 300. I saw 200 and they so no. I then walk out and they don't chase or come down on price.

I'm mostly talking about the Anyuan Lu locations but maybe you can all recommend so other places (both in Puxi or Pudong) where 200 is the standard price.

Thanks.

DD.After taking and taking from the Shanghai thread for over a year, I guess it's time I start giving back. Here's my first post!

I've only gone to the BBS's three times. Everytime was on Anyuan (near Changde). I have yet to pay over 250 RMB.

The first time I was just curious about the BBS experience. I went there not knowing what to expect. I was quoted 100 RMB. After I was undressed, she informed me that was just for a HJ. She said 200 for BBJ. From that point on I kept telling her,"no 200 for FS." Eventually we agreed on 250 for FS.

The second time I knew I could get FS for 250. I tried 200 but we negotiated to 250. I was quite horny, so I caved. No BBJ this time, though.

The third time (just last week) , I made up my mind before I got to Anyuan that I would not pay more than 200. It took three shops to accept my offer, but eventually one of them did. I might have gotten lucky, though, because she might have had a thing for Westerners. It was the only one of my three BBS experiences where she wanted to make out during the session and I think her moans were legit, too (I want to believe that at least).

Beware. At the first shop when I offered 200RMB, however, the girl at first agreed but insisted I pay her first. I have RTFF enough to know that's a no-no. I stood my ground and she refused to provide.

So, from my experience, you can get it if you stick to your guns (and maybe if you're a little lucky, too).

Good luck!

Five Aces
02-09-14, 19:49
I can only agree with Gubba and: guys, yes, he is really not a "first time advertisment poster". I get curious about his report, so decided to meet the girl he mentioned.

Found out she is from switzerland, so easy to talk with her (I am german) , and I was able to "talk her into our page".

She is a part timer, business woman with a dirty hobby (she loves submission sex) and, believe it or not, one of the hottest faces I ever picked up in Shanghai.

If you like the "south or middle east style", than she is great for you. Her body is not too slim, not fat, but best of all: She really enjoy what she is doing.

Disadvantage: nothing for the miser, she don`t need "customers", more looking for good sex with hot guys, but as a "toy" she like to get "bought", so no chance for cheap fun.

So without willing to spend 4000 RMB, no need to contact her, I guess.

Our Shanghai Nichtlife Page is temporarily down again, but she is very busy most time, and told me these days she has still holiday and she seems to be horny and adventurous now.

So I decided to put her profile on our "Master-Page" to make sure, you can date her these days:

http://www.world-nightlife-guide.com/asia/china/shanghai-escort-angelina/

(It`s the same girl than he called "Georgina", but she is not even similar to the "Russian type", so she decided to change to a more "dark" working name).

Enjoy Angelina, hope you guys will have fun with her,

StevenHow is that, he is maybe 40 but she is so hot Gubba used 6 condoms in a 6 hour session, not our daily advertisement. Maybe he used them for balloons. The party was only 4000.

Everything on that site seems to be either more or less common knowledge or less than expected but expensive.

JohnDoe2121
02-10-14, 00:32
I've been in Shanghai for a few months now and can't seem to find a BBS that will do anything for under RMB 300. I saw 200 and they so no. I then walk out and they don't chase or come down on price.

I'm mostly talking about the Anyuan Lu locations but maybe you can all recommend so other places (both in Puxi or Pudong) where 200 is the standard price.

Thanks,

DD.There are plenty of places that will do 200rmb, you just got to ". Stick to your guns". Dujuan lu (near baiyang lu) there is a shop just after a pet store walking west from baiyang, yinghua lu (near haitong lu) walking on N side of street walking east from haitong 1/2 a block you will see a strip of them and the very first one (maybe second one) there is a girl with redish purple hair. She's a hard bargainer but its totally worth it, she's soo hot compared to a lot of these bbs girls. Yinshan lu (near jinkou lu) walking west from jinkou the shops on the right will slant inward and a grassy / tree area will devide the sidewalk from shops, there are like 4 in there and for sure the last one before a small driveway will do 200. (they aint the best looking tho, there is a real ugly one that is very happy to see people that tries to wave you in and I'm pretty sure she let shark theeth do her anal. The last one I know of is hard to describe how to get there, its just south of jintai lu (near jinqiao lu) the Lat and Longitude are 31. 24997, 121. 589952 paste that into google maps and it will throw an arrow down where these shops are. All around in there theres small shops. That without bargaining will do 200 for sure and they will start with that number. I like to go there even tho its a good hike be / see they are all happy to please and I can just get a BJ for 150 or FS for 200 no problem.

Hope that helps!

SamCan
02-10-14, 02:26
You were correct, she was offering a BJ for 400 rmb. A bit expensive (depending on the place) but she was banking on you not thinking logically at that point!I have been in a few MPs that will throw you a BJ for 200 and quick FS for 400. I doubt she was offering FS. Best way to know is play dumb foreigner. Most know how to say blow job or F* if you wait it out.

Waldeck2
02-10-14, 02:38
Just use hand signals. Point to her mouth and your crotch or to her crotch and then your crotch. She will know what you mean. And each finger is 100 rmb. She'll give you the amount on her phone as well. This is not rocket science.


I have been in a few MPs that will throw you a BJ for 200 and quick FS for 400. I doubt she was offering FS. Best way to know is play dumb foreigner. Most know how to say blow job or F* if you wait it out.

Gubba
02-12-14, 01:28
How is that, he is maybe 40 but she is so hot Gubba used 6 condoms in a 6 hour session, not our daily advertisement. Maybe he used them for balloons. The party was only 4000.

Everything on that site seems to be either more or less common knowledge or less than expected but expensive.No balloons. I don't waste them!

ShLax
02-12-14, 09:28
You went about 25m to far (I take it the place was the signposted massage place on the 2nd floor) there is a shop with very dark windows and 2 little Chinese characters out front. It's the middle shop of three in the block before the one you went to.

Price is 800 for FS with 2 girls. Not all are that great but if you look back through some posts, there is mention of 2 girls who were into threesome.

If you want single girl action go south one block past intersection and turn right, in the first building there used to be a place offering FS for 500.

Ringer5
02-13-14, 22:37
There are plenty of places that will do 200rmb, you just got to ". Stick to your guns". Dujuan lu (near baiyang lu) there is a shop just after a pet store walking west from baiyang, yinghua lu (near haitong lu) walking on N side of street walking east from haitong 1/2 a block you will see a strip of them and the very first one (maybe second one) there is a girl with redish purple hair. She's a hard bargainer but its totally worth it, she's soo hot compared to a lot of these bbs girls. Yinshan lu (near jinkou lu) walking west from jinkou the shops on the right will slant inward and a grassy / tree area will devide the sidewalk from shops, there are like 4 in there and for sure the last one before a small driveway will do 200. (they aint the best looking tho, there is a real ugly one that is very happy to see people that tries to wave you in and I'm pretty sure she let shark theeth do her anal. The last one I know of is hard to describe how to get there, its just south of jintai lu (near jinqiao lu) the Lat and Longitude are 31. 24997, 121. 589952 paste that into google maps and it will throw an arrow down where these shops are. All around in there theres small shops. That without bargaining will do 200 for sure and they will start with that number. I like to go there even tho its a good hike be / see they are all happy to please and I can just get a BJ for 150 or FS for 200 no problem.

Hope that helps!There are also some BBS at the south end of Jintai Road, I've seen some attractive girls there. There are some massage places on the other side of the road that look promising, although I've never done the research there.

Masslin
02-17-14, 09:16
According to the newest news, the LE in Shanghai will take large-scale action to clamp down on prostitution. Time will be 18:00-2:00 this Monday to Saturday. Hope this can arouse everyone's attention. No matter if this news is true, I think everyone need to be careful when mongering these days.

Dongguan Doug
02-17-14, 14:24
Has anyone noticed that some BBS's are closed?

Do you think everything is currently safe in Shanghai or is the crackdown in Dongguan having an affect in Shanghai?

DD

Dongguan Doug
02-17-14, 14:29
Has anyone used any of the following escort agencies?

http://shanghaiescort88.com

http://www.deluxshanghaiescorts.com/index.htm

The pictures of the girls look real and the prices are in line with saunas. I've called a few of the numbers I see on Wechat / Momo but the girls are always unattractive.

Any experience would help.

Thanks.

DD

Bambaiya
02-17-14, 15:39
I will be visiting Shanghai next week.

Will be staying near East Nanjing Road.

Can anyone suggest me good sauna near to east Nanjing road. I know there are many thugs on east Nanking lu and so need your advise to avoid any scary experience.

How far is Bodi and Hai lang sauna from East Nanjing road?

Is there any MP near by to have quick reliefe (HJ)?

Please help as I am kinda new to the shanghai scene.

Thanks in advance,

Bambaiya!

Marty47
02-17-14, 15:42
All the escort sites in SH are fake pictures. It is the draw of the card if you get a real one (probably impossible). Most will upsell you. I spent 15 years traveling mostly to SH and I found three real ones.

Cathy.

Beverly jones.

Rain (the most expensive, but have notice she is getting more girls and prices are going down a little-I think she figured it out) pictures are real.

Oh yea I forgot Helen and friends-

Whenever you see a phone number, just Google it. It will come up in many cities in China-then you know it is fake pictures.

Manhattan's is a place.

Shanghai nightlife-I have had a few good results.

Good hunting!


Has anyone used any of the following escort agencies?

http://shanghaiescort88.com

http://www.deluxshanghaiescorts.com/index.htm

The pictures of the girls look real and the prices are in line with saunas. I've called a few of the numbers I see on Wechat / Momo but the girls are always unattractive.

Any experience would help.

Thanks.

DD

Fast Eddie 48
02-17-14, 17:11
According to the newest news, the LE in Shanghai will take large-scale action to clamp down on prostitution. Time will be 18:00-2:00 this Monday to Saturday. Hope this can arouse everyone's attention. No matter if this news is true, I think everyone need to be careful when mongering these days.To Masslin.

There are not many place to crack down in Shanghai only high end sauna and KTV left, most bbs and brothel got closed down before 2008 yes the Government want to clean up China not just the sex industry also drugs and illegal food company and currently a big crack down at southern China right now.

Fast Eddie 48

MayanKanand
02-17-14, 17:51
To Masslin.

There are not many place to crack down in Shanghai only high end sauna and KTV left, most bbs and brothel got closed down before 2008 yes the Government want to clean up China not just the sex industry also drugs and illegal food company and currently a big crack down at southern China right now.

Fast Eddie 48What will be the fate of expats like us? The choice will be limited and this will increase the price and will become suppliers' market! Can't imagine an empty Manhattan or Judy's or Sarcosa!

Bad Boy Billy
02-19-14, 08:42
YES it was pissing rain in SH last night and it was a Tuesday. So very quiet. Went to eat at Xin Tian Di. Not a hoare to be seen in Luna. A few old mattress workers at Paulaner. Just hate the fact that Brown Sugar is no more.

So off to Judy's. Only a handful there. Zero hoares in Malones. Manhattan a fair smattering although quality hoares few and far between.

Cut this hoare from the herd. Claims she was Mongolian. Yeah right. Maybe inner Mongolia but certainly not from the Steppes. But what a performer. RMB1, 500 stayed the night. Lovely deep long BBBJ. Absolutely hit the roof when I went down on her. And just loved to phuck. Great performer.

Lao Ma
02-19-14, 11:31
Tomorrow I go to Shanghai for the first time in years. Staying in JingAn at Swissotel. I suppose I'll check out Manhattans; was never enamored with the place, but if girls like BBB picked up are hanging out there, I shall take one for the team. Me likey mongolians and mongolian wannabes

Can anyone recommend a nice steak in the JingAn area? Not going to Xintiandi; F that place.

StinkyFeet
02-19-14, 15:03
Cut this hoare from the herd. Claims she was Mongolian. Yeah right. Maybe inner Mongolia but certainly not from the Steppes. But what a performer. RMB1, 500 stayed the night. Lovely deep long BBBJ. Absolutely hit the roof when I went down on her. And just loved to phuck. Great performer.Oh my god. This is the kind of hooker that I can expect at these bars? I hope the shanghai KTV's have much better stock than what I just saw. This type of lady can be had free in a bar in dongguan.

Bad Boy Billy
02-20-14, 00:56
Oh my god. This is the kind of hooker that I can expect at these bars?.This type of lady can be had free in a bar in dongguan.If you are such a phucking expert lets see some pics of the freebies you get out of bars in DG. That old saying still rings true. PUT OR SHUT UP!

Carage
02-21-14, 01:24
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The perception of value varies even more.
Just looking at the photo, I don't find her attractive either, let alone the price tag.
But 1500 over night sounds reasonable compared to sauna prices.

StinkyFeet
02-21-14, 03:59
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

The perception of value varies even more.

Just looking at the photo, I don't find her attractive either, let alone the price tag.

But 1500 over night sounds reasonable compared to sauna prices.

1500 rmb is reasonable for a certain level of girls. perhaps i am outdated with LT pricing in shanghai but 1500 rmb can get quite a stunner in dongguan, fujian, wuxi, liaoning, xiamen (experienced based upon 5 years of traveling). i am concerned of a chain reaction. if a girl of this "caliber" can get 1500 rmb LT. what will the other girls (protypical chinese beauties) start charging? 2000? 3000? i hope that this never comes to this since their perceived value is based upon what the market is willing to dish out according to their friend's since these girls like to gloat what they are earning. I just hope that no one here inflates the market.

From what I know about one girl that recently transfered to shanghai, her sauna is charging 600rmb for 90 minutes. She is the 881 girl that I mentioned before. Her suana is on the low now, but from what I heard their are a lot of girls working there. The hotel is quite hidden from the eye, from google map, and has one entrance tucked between several local businesses. My HK friend asked me if he can get in, but she told me that their is currently a whitelist now. So no new-comers are welcomed.

Shanghai Guide
02-21-14, 10:41
1500 rmb is reasonable for a certain level of girls. perhaps i am outdated with LT pricing in shanghai but 1500 rmb can get quite a stunner in dongguan, fujian, wuxi, liaoning, xiamen (experienced based upon 5 years of traveling). i am concerned of a chain reaction. if a girl of this "caliber" can get 1500 rmb LT. what will the other girls (protypical chinese beauties) start charging? 2000? 3000? i hope that this never comes to this since their perceived value is based upon what the market is willing to dish out according to their friend's since these girls like to gloat what they are earning. I just hope that no one here inflates the market.In the last 3 years, for example the house rental price in Shanghai rised up nearly 3 times, so we can not expect the rates for girls keep the same. It is really a pitty, but if you try to find cheap fun, than Shanghai is not the right place any more. Definitly much higher prices here for everything (including girls) than in all the "less popular" cities you mentioned. And that is not driven by the western customers of the girls. Chinese guys in Shanghai are willing to pay even more. There is still the "cheap market" for BBS who nearly keep down the price, but for example in a KTV here the rate will start with 1000 RMB for overnight, and for a stunner in a KTV you can nearly nowhere expect to find a overnight for less than 2000 at the moment (than you have to pay all the KTV Fees, so all together your cost will be more than 3000 in Shanghai these days). Dongguan rates also rised up and up last years, but starting from a lower level and in smaller steps, so I guess that`s where the big difference now come from.

The only advantage is the "availability" of the service in Shanghai. Here it is easy to find a sauna or KTV with clear service, not "dry" like Beijing or Dongguan (after the raid).

So you have a big choice and good quality of girls in Shanghai, but the city is definitly not a cheap mongerer destiny in Asia any more. That`s a developing process no one of us can stop or support, it`s just a fact we have to accept. There are still some chances for cheap gems, if you know the scene very well and you have the time to search (and the frustration level to stand the dissapointings) , but overall it`s a expensive city with expensive mongerer service, but a wide range of selection.

StinkyFeet
02-21-14, 14:19
In the last 3 years, for example the house rental price in Shanghai rised up nearly 3 times, so we can not expect the rates for girls keep the same. It is really a pitty, but if you try to find cheap fun, than Shanghai is not the right place any more. Definitly much higher prices here for everything (including girls) than in all the "less popular" cities you mentioned. And that is not driven by the western customers of the girls. Chinese guys in Shanghai are willing to pay even more. There is still the "cheap market" for BBS who nearly keep down the price, but for example in a KTV here the rate will start with 1000 RMB for overnight, and for a stunner in a KTV you can nearly nowhere expect to find a overnight for less than 2000 at the moment (than you have to pay all the KTV Fees, so all together your cost will be more than 3000 in Shanghai these days). Dongguan rates also rised up and up last years, but starting from a lower level and in smaller steps, so I guess that`s where the big difference now come from.2000 for a stunner LT is quite acceptable for me, since I am pretty sure a stunner in shanghai is heads and tails better than a stunner in dongguan. attached is a point of reference for a rare stunner in dongguan. met this girl at a ktv in a 5 star hotel. everything was expensive but i didn't have to pay anything since the suppliers treated me. the girl that selected was physically insane. 5'11 WITHOUT heels, flat stomach, unblemished white skin, small shoulders, D cup natural breast, has a nice ass, long legs, wears US size 7 shoe. face was cute, puggish nose, i thought. she had a natural smell to her that was offensive to me. she is a guangdong girl from yunfu. sex was terrible, aweful in fact. she acted like a shy girl that likes to kiss hug and only do missionary. in the dark. what a waste. after that, i never asked to come back with me to the hotel, but kept calling her for last minute ktv when i couldn't find a girl that was hot enough. i thought, this girl would be impossible to top that given her body, but i was wrong when i visited Dalian.... Dalian is a second tier city. i can't imagine what beijing or shanghai has to offer.

Stegram
02-21-14, 19:10
There is a big difference between a professionally lit, picked from 1000 shots, full make up, photoshopped photo - and a room lit or worse yet flash camera shot after getting pummeled in the bed for an hour or two.

I've been involved in many photoshoots and I have been responsible for photoshopping them after the fact. To suggest that the appearance of two girls could be compared based on these two sets of photo is absurd. (Assuming Billy's girl isn't a butterface) put her in lingerie, give her a pro photo set with a makeup artist and a pro photographer, give her 1000 shots to choose from and I'm sure she could take equally great pic. Also, take the other girl, strip her naked, wipe off her makeup, throw her on the bed and screw her for an hour, then put her in overhead lighting and take exactly 2 shots of her with a cell camera. The difference would be huge.

One more thing. If someone posts a pic of a girl that doesn't suit your taste, my opinion would be to STFU.

SamCan
02-22-14, 00:18
I don't think the girl billy posted is bad at all. Additionally, he stated she was a good performer and loved to do the deed. Isn't this better than a girl that looks awesome but leaves yoyou feeling like you lost out?

I will take the former over the latter. I also (last September) could have picked up a stunner that was also a spinner at manhattans. She was awesome. She wanted 1000 ST. (it was late, for all I knew, I was her second stop) unfortunately I was spent from earlier activiities. I could have had her for 1500-2000 LT. It is still there is you look.

And yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Sam Can

Lao Ma
02-22-14, 00:59
Trip to Shanghai was great both from a business perspective, and from a mongering perspective. Hooked up with Patiko. Latin american lady with huge tits and an infectious smile. Paid a lot, but was tired of Asians. Details in PM only. Last night, went to Manhattans for the first time. What a crap hole. Hate that scene, hate that vibe, hate all the cigarettes. Makes Maggies look classy. Managed to hook up with a DDG young vietnam spinner that was ridiculously cute. Looked to be 19, but was 25. Hot enough where I would consider paying her just to stare at her. Excellent BBJ.

1000 rmb short time.

Walked around my old haunts. There are still a few window girl places; details and prices in PM only to known posters.

Shanghai is a great city. Beautiful ladies everywhere, all the time. With the smog in Beijing so heinous, maybe I'll move back over here.

Osuul
02-22-14, 01:35
To Masslin.

There are not many place to crack down in Shanghai only high end sauna and KTV left, most bbs and brothel got closed down before 2008 yes the Government want to clean up China not just the sex industry also drugs and illegal food company and currently a big crack down at southern China right now.

Fast Eddie 48Enough to crack down. Lived in SHA from 2008 to 2010. Still a lot bbs / massage places left.

StinkyFeet
02-22-14, 01:55
There is a big difference between a professionally lit, picked from 1000 shots, full make up, photoshopped photo - and a room lit or worse yet flash camera shot after getting pummeled in the bed for an hour or two.I had to go to her weixin to grab these, but I don't have any nude shots. You wanted no make-up no pro-shoots ok, fine. In terms of p4p. From my experience, the uglies performed just as good and bad just as the hotties, no matter if you paid them well or not. With the exception of the aunties, they really try there best.

Stegram
02-22-14, 03:54
I had to go to her weixin to grab these, but I don't have any nude shots. You wanted no make-up no pro-shoots ok, fine. In terms of p4p. From my experience, the uglies performed just as good and bad just as the hotties, no matter if you paid them well or not. With the exception of the aunties, they really try there best.She's a pretty girl, but this doesn't prove a thing. Especially considering that one girl is showing only her face and the other girl is showing everything but.

That being said, I don't really like comparing girls anyway. My only purpose in comparing was to point out the disparity between the two medias.

The important thing here, in my opinion, is to keep the negative sideline judging to one's self. It serves absolutely no purpose and is kind of dick-ish.

Bad Boy Billy
02-23-14, 03:32
I met Patiko in Manhattan last October and asked her to come to our page, because she was really a charming girl.

Now she don`t visit Manhattan any more, only doing outcall. So seems I steal out the only "not asian girl" there. Sorry for that, guys!So let me get this right:

1. You trawl ISG for info on freelancers from bars that ISG members post.

2. You then entice the girls to become a member of your stable by advetising on your commercial site.

3. You then come back into ISG and actively promote your site that contains said girls you have poached Out of the bars.

Am I the only person here thinking this process may not quite be inline with the underlying spirit of ISG?

Ikksman
02-23-14, 03:48
So let me get this right:

1. You trawl ISG for info on freelancers from bars that ISG members post.

2. You then entice the girls to become a member of your stable by advetising on your commercial site.

3. You then come back into ISG and actively promote your site that contains said girls you have poached Out of the bars.

Am I the only person here thinking this process may not quite be inline with the underlying spirit of ISG?I am with you BBB. I checked his past posts, and he is often promoting his site / service / forum / parties. IMNSHO, all of the posts should have been relegated to the Classified Ads thread. And now he is boasting about his acquisition.

This guy is advertising his company on ISG under the guise of general informative posts. Jackson should be informed.

I live in Shenzhen, and if we had had a similar poster there, I would have raised bloody hell much earlier.

Cheers

Waldeck2
02-23-14, 04:50
About 1/2 of the joints are closed. The ones that are open have 2/3 girls. Sometimes dressed in street clothes and not with the short skirts and fuck me shoes. My regular has not returned. I tried a new girl yesterday. Nearly a disaster. The front door was locked. They had to open it to let me in and out. And at the end of the hall on the upper level is a magnetic door which the girls open and shut from a wall switch. That door was removed. Available but truncated. Once my regular returns I'll get some info.

Lao Ma
02-23-14, 08:16
I am pretty sure that all of the so-called "independent" escorts on that web site all work for Shanghai Guide. When I called Patiko's mobile, the girl who answered and pretended to be Patiko most definitely did not sound like a latin american. And it's also interesting how all of these independents have gmail email accounts. Not sure any of this is reason get that awful upset, but I agree with the general theme of this thread.

There is the whole truth, and then everything else.

Is Shanghai Guide the same cat who used to shill generic ED drugs on ISG all the time?

SamCan
02-23-14, 11:28
I don't know the guys at SH guide personally.

1. They run a website that they request money for for their details.

2. They have given much of the information here to us for free (address cards etc.)

3. Some of their posts have been to summarize the scene in SH and save you going back 50 pages to learn it all.

4. Even with Patiko, they provided a service by verifying that her pics are real. I don't know about you guys but when I go to Shanghai, I don't have a lot of time there and appreciate the service.

5. I actually saw Patiko at Manhattans before they posted her. She is ok but there is a plenty of Asian girls left and that is what I am looking for in Shanghai anyway.

6. I have PM'd them a question or two from this site. And they helpfully responded, tho I am not a member on their site.

Be offended by Shanghai guide if, you want, I will thank them for a lot of free help! More help than a number of other mongers give in their posts!

Shanghai Guide
02-23-14, 12:29
I am pretty sure that all of the so-called "independent" escorts on that web site all work for Shanghai Guide. When I called Patiko's mobile, the girl who answered and pretended to be Patiko most definitely did not sound like a latin american. And it's also interesting how all of these independents have gmail email accounts. Not sure any of this is reason get that awful upset, but I agree with the general theme of this thread.

There is the whole truth, and then everything else.

Is Shanghai Guide the same cat who used to shill generic ED drugs on ISG all the time?First of all: no, we don`t sell any drugs, only running a usefull webpage for nightlife.

Second: no girl work for Shanghai Guide. Our business is to give usefull informations for paid members. Same like here on ISG, paid members support the forum and can use additional service (like the privat messages or see the pictures in the threat). On our page members can get some additional informations like sauna adress cards or some details we don`t want or can not publish in public.

Third: Indpendent for us means, that a girl is real and work with a trustfull profile. That means, if I call a 25 years old girl with 47 kg and long hair, I want her to show up, and not a 58 kg 35 years old ugly lady with short hair (that`s the normal business in Shanghai). So we try to find girls, who are willing to use their real profile and real pictures and make sure, what you "order" is what will be "delivered" later.

If a girl agree to that, I don`t care if she pick up the phone for herself or not, as long as Patiko will show up, when I call Patiko to my room. For her I know very well that she is totally independent, but I also know she don`t pick up her phone for herself. First she told me she don`t like to be disturbed all the time by phone when she is with customers or with friends, who don`t know what she is doing for living, second she can not speak any Chinese, so hard to handle with locations, taxi driver and so on. So she pay some money to a Chinese girl who work for her like a "assistant" and handle all that calls for her and she can concentrate to meet customer and no need to handle any adresses or scedules.

Some girls do similar because of less english skills. You can check the profiles and you will see some Chinese girls on our page can speak very less english, so they will pay someone who handle e-mails or phonecalls, because without or with less english skills on our english page they would have only a little chance to get customers, (even the guys will not care about their language skills while sex, there is some communication necessary to prepare the session). But I think when a escort girl pay someone for help her to handle her contacts, she is still independent, so I don`t think it is a problem to put them in the independent category. But that`s only my view, could be other people will think different.

Our rules for our independent escort area are:

- Real girls with real profiles.

- The girl from the profile is the girl that will show up later.

- Best profile is with real pictures which we can check and confirm.

- Real "final-rates" and no upselling while the session is running.

- Only offer service, that the girl is able and willing to serve later.

If a girl follow all that rules, why we should not list her on our page? Because she don`t pick up her phone calls for herself? I don`t think that would be helpfull to anyone, not the girls and not the customers.

We are not a agency, that means no girl work for us, but we are also not a directory where every even faked profile can be posted.

How the profiles come to our page: The girls apply on our page, we clear the rules with them (than 90% never contact us again) , from the 10 percent we think they are real and honest, after very short time on our page we find out, some are also only "promoter" for agencies who want to "hide" in the independent escort area. Most time, we can see that in the comments very soon, than they will get a "yellow card", if it happens again, than the "red card" will be shown and they have to "leave the game".

Also if one of our guides or friends meet a real girl, some will try to help us and get her to our nightlife page. Because we know as more reliable girls on our page, as more visitors will come and like our page, so as more guys will support our page with a membership. The independend escort girls on our page can make good money, much more than on the typical directory page, because we have less girls profiles and our profiles are much more trustfull, so more guys will date them. So all are happy, we have satisfied customers, the girl has enough customers and no "cheating trouble" and the guys can find reliable girls more easy.

So from my view it is a win-win-win situation for girls, customers and us, so I am not really sure, why there is a reason to complain for anyone?

From my view, what we do is a good service for all the guys who are tired from the faked agency profiles or dissapointed from too many faked profiles on the directory pages, but it`s up to anyone to decide, if it is helpfull for him or not.

Lost In Shanghai
02-23-14, 16:50
After being closed well past spring festival. 1808 Beijing Lu is again operating. Staff seems new. 258 buys a happy ending at best, from a nervous girl. While I was there, some guys came in, and left quickly. I think they were disappointed with the options (or lack of) , and quickly left. Girls are wearing tights and white blouses, which suggests the service level.

Canyon
02-24-14, 00:31
I was surprised by the criticism of Shanghai Guide. I have always found his posts useful. I have also gone to his web page, which I also found useful, though I'm not a paying member. For the guys who don't like his posts, just don't read them. Go on about your business. There is no need to start a flaming war.

Lao Ma
02-24-14, 10:42
Shanghai Guide, no need to get so upset. I enjoyed my time with Patiko and would gladly see her again. Your relationship with the "independent" girls, who aren't really "independent" is your own business.

I have no issues whatsoever with the website itself, but do agree that you should be posting in the classified sections. I guess you can wordsmith however you want, no worries.

I'll say you and the "independent" girls have an arrangement and an agreement; if that qualifies as saying they don't work for you in your mind, fair enough. So you are not a pimp.

My question about the fake viagra and whatnot was legitimate, and not meant as a slam. There used to be a guy who did tours for western punters in Shanghai, and I thought that that guy also sold generic dick pills.

"We don't sell any drugs" is a clever reply, but I wasn't implying you, or that other guy that isn't you, evidently, are selling molly or oxycontins.

Anyway, nice site. Your Beijing version is not at that level. Sorry if my words caused you distress. Peace.

Viajando Musico
02-24-14, 19:11
So let me get this right:

1. You trawl ISG for info on freelancers from bars that ISG members post.

2. You then entice the girls to become a member of your stable by advetising on your commercial site.

3. You then come back into ISG and actively promote your site that contains said girls you have poached Out of the bars.

Am I the only person here thinking this process may not quite be inline with the underlying spirit of ISG?A lot of the info on SHG's website were also posted and discussed by forum members in the past. I agree that his website has the value of providing his paid or non-paid viewers a quick glance of what's out there. But unless there is absolutely no financial interest between him and the girls, I doubt that recruiting WG to his website actually benefit other members. Here is why,

In Late 2012, I met a couple Colombian girls at Manhattan who provided me great sessions with GFE, and the final negotiated rewards for them were around 1200 Yuan for short term, and 2000 Yuan for toda la noche if I wanted. Both girls were physically superior than their friends in the Latina group. I believe those who are less attractive would go for less. I never met Patiko at Manhattan while I was there, so don't know how much she charged when at Manhattan. But she is asking 1500 Yuan for one hour. And 2400 Yuan for two hours on SHG's website. Those Latinas in Kama in Guangzhou charge $100 for ST, and $300 toda la noche even a couple 9's. You do the math, but I hope he doesn't go to Kama to recruit those Colombianas there. LOL.

Canyon
02-24-14, 20:47
A lot of the info on SHG's website were also posted and discussed by forum members in the past. I agree that his website has the value of providing his paid or non-paid viewers a quick glance of what's out there. But unless there is absolutely no financial interest between him and the girls, I doubt that recruiting WG to his website actually benefit other members. Here is why,

In Late 2012, I met a couple Colombian girls at Manhattan who provided me great sessions with GFE, and the final negotiated rewards for them were around 1200 Yuan for short term, and 2000 Yuan for toda la noche if I wanted. Both girls were physically superior than their friends in the Latina group. I believe those who are less attractive would go for less. I never met Patiko at Manhattan while I was there, so don't know how much she charged when at Manhattan. But she is asking 1500 Yuan for one hour. And 2400 Yuan for two hours on SHG's website. Those Latinas in Kama in Guangzhou charge $100 for ST, and $300 toda la noche even a couple 9's. You do the math, but I hope he doesn't go to Kama to recruit those Colombianas there. LOL.Viajando,

That's how the market works. The girls have an interest in making as much money as possible, so it doesn't seem right to criticize them for asking for a higher price. You would do the same thing if the roles were reversed. If you don't want to pay that price, just move on and find someone else. If the girls ask a price that is too high, then no one will purchase their services and they will have to lower their price. If they get enough customers at the higher price, good for them, but you don't have to go with them.

The same thing applies to you. I don't know where you work or what you do, but if someone agreed to pay you 50% more for the same work you're doing now, I think you would change jobs right away.

Ikksman
02-24-14, 21:54
First of all: no, we don`t sell any drugs, only running a usefull webpage for nightlife. [SNIP]I still think that most of your posts should read:

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Viajando Musico
02-25-14, 02:49
Viajando,

That's how the market works. The girls have an interest in making as much money as possible, so it doesn't seem right to criticize them for asking for a higher price. You would do the same thing if the roles were reversed. If you don't want to pay that price, just move on and find someone else. If the girls ask a price that is too high, then no one will purchase their services and they will have to lower their price. If they get enough customers at the higher price, good for them, but you don't have to go with them.

The same thing applies to you. I don't know where you work or what you do, but if someone agreed to pay you 50% more for the same work you're doing now, I think you would change jobs right away.Being a businessman by trade for close to 25 years, I think I understand a little of how the market works. But I think you missed my point. I have no problem with the girl charging higher prices and gets them. I will even pay for it if that is what I want. What I am saying is, I am doubtful about the intension and activities of SHG on this forum. As other posters pointed out, He should promote his website on the classified section instead of the general info section. We, including SHG, you and me, all benefit from info that other members shared on this forum either through open or private messages without cost to us. Most of the other members in return, share their info without any financial interest. That is the spirit of this wonderful free forum.

As I said, I don't know how much Patiko charged before when she worked in Manhattan. If what she charged was in line with other Latinas hotties I met, do you think SHG, by recruiting the girls to his website is looking after other members' interest including yours and mine, or that of his own?

Canyon
02-25-14, 04:51
As I said, I don't know how much Patiko charged before when she worked in Manhattan. If what she charged was in line with other Latinas hotties I met, do you think SHG, by recruiting the girls to his website is looking after other members' interest including yours and mine, or that of his own?[/QUOTE]Viajando,

I have a somewhat different point of view than you do. I don't think it's anyone's responsibility on this board to keep prices low. In fact, I don't think that's possible, since we're a small subset of mongers in Shanghai. I don't think anyone on the board has a responsibility to look out for the interest of others. It's every man for himself. I do, however, think this board has a very useful function, because it supplies us with knowledge. In this regard, I think SHG is doing a good job of providing us with information. I don't object to his having a commercial interest, since it's clear what he does. It's not hidden. As long as the host of the ISG has no problem with SHG, I think he should be free to have commercial messages that don't go over the line.

As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us. If Patiko's price is too high, the monger should go elsewhere.

StinkyFeet
02-25-14, 16:16
As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us. If Patiko's price is too high, the monger should go elsewhere.I learned quickly that in asia, if a girl advertises herself online, the price is usually doubled from the local area. Perhaps I have the home advantage of finding p4p hot pussy at a decent price. In fact, I only look at online escort advertisements for comic relief.

Viajando Musico
02-25-14, 21:04
As far as recruiting girls for his site and raising their price. I think that's fine. He certainly is doing the girls a favor. He has no obligation to keep prices low for us.I respect your point of view.

Dewdrops
03-01-14, 07:58
According to the newest news, the LE in Shanghai will take large-scale action to clamp down on prostitution. Time will be 18:00-2:00 this Monday to Saturday. Hope this can arouse everyone's attention. No matter if this news is true, I think everyone need to be careful when mongering these days.In the light of Dongguan crackdown, what is the scene in SH? Are the saunas like Scarosa, Hong Song, filled upto capacity with girls or shut down? Is it dangerous to venture at these places these days?

Mike921
03-01-14, 15:53
In the light of Dongguan crackdown, what is the scene in SH? Are the saunas like Scarosa, Hong Song, filled upto capacity with girls or shut down? Is it dangerous to venture at these places these days?I noticed that the very well lit 'in your face' places on Jintai Road. Were all closed tonight. The massage clip joints on Yinshan Road. Appeared to be open. Perhaps business is possible if you keep a low profile.

SamCan
03-01-14, 18:35
I noticed that the very well lit 'in your face' places on Jintai Road. Were all closed tonight. The massage clip joints on Yinshan Road. Appeared to be open. Perhaps business is possible if you keep a low profile.Any other reports? I will be in SH next week. Post or PM me. Let me know what you know.

Stay safe out there.

Sam Can

MikeKohk
03-01-14, 23:38
Hi all,

I'm new to this site, I'll be arriving in SH in a couple of days and was wondering what the best sauna was at present? I've done some research and read the past 50 posts or so. Is ba li ya that impossible to find? Otherwise I'm thinking of going to Tang Dynasty maybe.

Another question: is getting BBBJ very risky in terms of std? Obviously there's a risk but not that big it seems?

Thanks a lot,

All the best.

MikeKohk
03-02-14, 00:40
Hi guys,

I'm new to this site but I've read past 50 posts.

Any good recommendation for sauna please? Has anyone been to Ba li ya and is it that good? Seems hard to find though.

Also, is there much risk of catching stds from BBBJ or is the risk small?

Thanks a lot,

Mike

Mike666
03-02-14, 14:23
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to pay 2500 RMB for about a hour with an alleged "Japan AV actress" making a fast buck in Shanghai? I received an ad on wechat from a Shanghai SN selling this service. The place is selling "basic service" from said actress. I am guessing 1Q, cover everything, and don't expect a BBBJ.

SamCan
03-02-14, 15:49
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to pay 2500 RMB for about a hour with an alleged "Japan AV actress" making a fast buck in Shanghai? I received an ad on wechat from a Shanghai SN selling this service. The place is selling "basic service" from said actress. I am guessing 1Q, cover everything, and don't expect a BBBJ.I am betting this is a scam. Go ahead and try it! Take one for the team. (smiley face)

Shanghai Guide
03-02-14, 23:11
In the light of Dongguan crackdown, what is the scene in SH? Are the saunas like Scarosa, Hong Song, filled upto capacity with girls or shut down? Is it dangerous to venture at these places these days?I am in touch with some sauna girls and they are not effected in Shanghai till now, so means till now no raids and also no location has been closed, but some sauna clubs act more "carefull" now, so for example in the 1066 Sauna you need to call them for a reservation, otherwise the door will be closed for you.

Other places like the Jun Hao Sauna or Tang Dynasty had a "security system" like that before already (only if the guard call down or up the elevator, you can enter the place) , so for them no difference now. The KTV business went down a little bit, because also some Chinese customers are afraid about upcoming problems, so also around 20 to 30% less customers now in most KTVs, but finally nothing happend till now in Shanghai. I would say at the moment no need to worry about that. There is even a effect that several girls who worked in Dongguan before now went over to Shanghai, so not bad for the selection here in the city. It should not be dangerous (but it`s up to you if you want to take the risk) , because even in Dongguan every Sauna and Club has been informed about that raid at least some hours before the police show up (even they did not use the local police for the raids) , so nothing was really a "surprise". Only if a Sauna don`t want you to enter the club, than better leave, because than it`s a chance that they are informed about a upcoming rate. But if they let you enter the club, than you can be nearly sure there will be no problem.

Shanghai Guide
03-02-14, 23:16
Just out of curiosity, would anyone be willing to pay 2500 RMB for about a hour with an alleged "Japan AV actress" making a fast buck in Shanghai? I received an ad on wechat from a Shanghai SN selling this service. The place is selling "basic service" from said actress. I am guessing 1Q, cover everything, and don't expect a BBBJ.Depends if you are in touch with a "serious" sauna club or a black one! If it is a black one, than cheating, you will have to pay 25000 finally and so on. You can check plenty reports of "black massage stores" here in the forum or elsewhere. If it is a "serious" club like Jun Hao for example, than you will get that session. I know for example last time I was in Tang Dynasty, they have been very proud to introduce a holland girl, a Russian and a phillipine girl to me, so they work offer "migrant worker" from time to time, and I am sure a japanese girl (not important if she ever worked as a AV actress) will bring good money for them.

But be carefull not to step into a "tourist trap" of a black shop!

Enjoy Shanghai,

Steven

Shanghai Guide
03-02-14, 23:20
Hi guys,

I'm new to this site but I've read past 50 posts.

Any good recommendation for sauna please? Has anyone been to Ba li ya and is it that good? Seems hard to find though.

Also, is there much risk of catching stds from BBBJ or is the risk small?

Thanks a lot,

MikeThe most popular Sauna Clubs here in the forum are the Bodi. 999, Hong Song and Jun Hao. Search for that, and you should find what you are looking for!

I know 3 guys already who catched a stds from a BBBJ, so it`s possible, but I don`t know how many times they did do BBBJ without any problem, so I can not give you a "% number" (and I am sure no one else here will give you that). And to be honest, for that questions you better search in a medical forum!

Member #4643
03-03-14, 01:25
I have read the board, but I really do not understand the difference.

I am only going to be inShanghai 3 days, so my plan is Sauna or MP (depending on where I can get BBBJ and FS) and Manhattans. Knowing the difference between a Sauna and a MP would be useful!

Can someone help out? Thanks

Shanghai Guide
03-03-14, 01:43
I have read the board, but I really do not understand the difference.

I am only going to be inShanghai 3 days, so my plan is Sauna or MP (depending on where I can get BBBJ and FS) and Manhattans. Knowing the difference between a Sauna and a MP would be useful!

Can someone help out? ThanksIn a Sauna you will get:

- high class decoration.

- fixed price for a session (590 to 990 RMB)

- never any tip requested or necessary.

- bigger girls selection by fishbowl or "inroom"

- shower in a public room or together with the girl in the massage room.

- 60 to 90 minutes session.

- including BBBJ, cat bath (licking your body with her tongue) , sometimes striptease, sometimes Nuru, sometimes two shoots, all with full sex included.

Massage clubs offer:

- lower class decoration.

- rates from 230 to 350 RMB, but only for massage, rest depends on the "tip" for the girl.

- no clear rules what you will finally pay and what you will finally get.

- less girls selection, sometimes even no chance to select.

- session with 60 to 120 minutes.

- most time shower or bath in the room, sometimes together with the girl.

- a normal massage with Handjob

- sometimes also with blowjob

- sometimes (but less) with full sex.

The reason why the massage shops don`t like to offer sex is based on the "system" how it will work in China if

You do some illegal business. A Massage Shop is smaller, so less business, so less income to pay "tip" to the local police, so

The risk to be rated is higher than in a Sauna, where they can pay a high "tip" and in exchange will be warned about upcoming raids.

If you own a club and you have the risk to be raided, you better avoid to have used condoms around. So the most.

Massage places don`t offer full sex, so no condoms around, also no evidence for what happend in the room, so even if they.

Got a raid, they have a good chance to survive if non of the girls or the customers start to "talk" about the sessions in the room.

There are also some Massage Shops where you will get full sex. Here the session is not so professional and the.

Enviroment is much more shabby, compared with a Sauna, but the price will be lower (400 to 450 RMB).

But this places are hard to find in Shanghai now, because nearly no difference to the massage parlors outside, so.

You have to know where to find it or you have to try a lot to pick out the one with full service.

Member #4643
03-03-14, 15:03
Thanks! That is very helpful.


In a Sauna you will get:

- high class decoration.

- fixed price for a session (590 to 990 RMB)

- never any tip requested or necessary.

- bigger girls selection by fishbowl or "inroom"

- shower in a public room or together with the girl in the massage room.

- 60 to 90 minutes session.

- including BBBJ, cat bath (licking your body with her tongue) , sometimes striptease, sometimes Nuru, sometimes two shoots, all with full sex included.

Massage clubs offer:

- lower class decoration.

- rates from 230 to 350 RMB, but only for massage, rest depends on the "tip" for the girl.

- no clear rules what you will finally pay and what you will finally get.

- less girls selection, sometimes even no chance to select.

- session with 60 to 120 minutes.

- most time shower or bath in the room, sometimes together with the girl.

- a normal massage with Handjob

- sometimes also with blowjob

- sometimes (but less) with full sex.

The reason why the massage shops don`t like to offer sex is based on the "system" how it will work in China if

You do some illegal business. A Massage Shop is smaller, so less business, so less income to pay "tip" to the local police, so

The risk to be rated is higher than in a Sauna, where they can pay a high "tip" and in exchange will be warned about upcoming raids.

If you own a club and you have the risk to be raided, you better avoid to have used condoms around. So the most.

Massage places don`t offer full sex, so no condoms around, also no evidence for what happend in the room, so even if they.

Got a raid, they have a good chance to survive if non of the girls or the customers start to "talk" about the sessions in the room.

There are also some Massage Shops where you will get full sex. Here the session is not so professional and the.

Enviroment is much more shabby, compared with a Sauna, but the price will be lower (400 to 450 RMB).

But this places are hard to find in Shanghai now, because nearly no difference to the massage parlors outside, so.

You have to know where to find it or you have to try a lot to pick out the one with full service.

IxirKing
03-03-14, 15:35
Any body know if the Bodi Sauna still work?

Thank for your help.

Mike921
03-03-14, 19:15
I have read the board, but I really do not understand the difference.

I am only going to be inShanghai 3 days, so my plan is Sauna or MP (depending on where I can get BBBJ and FS) and Manhattans. Knowing the difference between a Sauna and a MP would be useful!

Can someone help out? ThanksMain difference is FS, which is all but guaranteed in a sauna, but definitely not a sure thing in massage places. If FS is important to you, don't waste time going to massage places.

Bondyt
03-04-14, 04:24
Did not see a Wuxi thread but do apologize if this should be posted somewhere else. Since Shanghai is quite close, I though this might be a start.

Anyways, I will be going to Wuxi in April. Can anyone please recommend some good saunas and their location? Have been searching the forum but there is not much info. Making some early prep work!

Expected to be there for a month.

Many thanks

Uncle Junior
03-05-14, 15:46
Has something changed with Wechat?

When I was there last year, I would get random chat requests on my Wechat account that I assume were pros looking for business. I could also send out chat invitations and had a reasonable response rate from ladies that were interested.

Currently, absolutely zero incoming traffic and no response to anything I have initiated.

I have even tried the brute force method, and sent out 20-30 chat requests and all were ignored.

Has anyone else seen this and is their an explanation?

BTW, my location when I tried this is near the Jingan temple.

Thanks,

Uncle Junior

Ikksman
03-06-14, 12:13
Has something changed with Wechat?

When I was there last year, I would get random chat requests on my Wechat account that I assume were pros looking for business. I could also send out chat invitations and had a reasonable response rate from ladies that were interested.

Currently, absolutely zero incoming traffic and no response to anything I have initiated.

I have even tried the brute force method, and sent out 20-30 chat requests and all were ignored.

Has anyone else seen this and is their an explanation?

BTW, my location when I tried this is near the Jingan temple.

Thanks,

Uncle JuniorWeChat is now heavily censored. It has happened gradually over the past 12 months. Wechat checks new and changed accounts.

In Shenzhen, before CNY, I only found one nearby pimp advertising a girl. And I was using Fake GPS to locate myself in known areas of action!

Freebies anyone?

StinkyFeet
03-06-14, 13:56
Did not see a Wuxi thread but do apologize if this should be posted somewhere else. Since Shanghai is quite close, I though this might be a start.

Anyways, I will be going to Wuxi in April. Can anyone please recommend some good saunas and their location? Have been searching the forum but there is not much info. Making some early prep work!

Expected to be there for a month.

Many thanksThis intel is OLD, so keep that in mind, there is a three star local hotel nearby downtown area with an attached spa. At the spa is a sauna, charges are about 488 rmb, five years ago. Have red ropes. Shows girls one by one. Girl quality can range from 6 to 7. 5 with a the rarity of 9's (with lots of rules). If you do the KTV's make sure its the Korean style KTV's so you can bring the girl home. Quality for these girls are 6 to 8's. LT was about 800rmb back than. I MISS WUXI it was one of my favorite towns. Just watch out for the young xinjiang boys selling knives.

Ice Dragon
03-06-14, 16:21
I'm no expert, but I do understand, that unless you use the "people nearby" function yourself, then you become invisible to other people searching. When you are visible, a very small footprint appears adjacent to the people nearby tab.

Ice


Has something changed with Wechat?

When I was there last year, I would get random chat requests on my Wechat account that I assume were pros looking for business. I could also send out chat invitations and had a reasonable response rate from ladies that were interested.

Currently, absolutely zero incoming traffic and no response to anything I have initiated.

I have even tried the brute force method, and sent out 20-30 chat requests and all were ignored.

Has anyone else seen this and is their an explanation?

BTW, my location when I tried this is near the Jingan temple.

Thanks,

Uncle Junior

Masslin
03-07-14, 03:58
Any body know if the Bodi Sauna still work?

Thank for your help.As far as I know, Siyuan and Shanghai Hotel Sauna still work. Not any info about Bodi.

FunSeeker90
03-08-14, 00:56
Hi everyone,

I like to share with you an incident that happened to me two days ago.

At around 10:30pm while returning back to my hotel from the local family mart, I was approached by a young man asking if I'm interesting in women and massage.

It was my last nite in Shanghai and I was feeling a bit frisky, hence I asked for more info. He told me that he knows a place not far from the hotel where there are pretty girls etc.

After much persuasion, I agreed. We then boarded the next taxi and he brought me to a building approx 15 mins away via taxi. As my Chinese is not very good, I couldn't recognize the name of the place, but the building is connected to a restaurant and a budget hotel.

When we got there, the man paid for the fare and we walked into the building and straight into the lift. He then pressed level 19.

When we arrived on level 19, there was a karaoke bar. Its one of those places where girls sat and sang with you etc. However I noticed that there were no other customers, just lots of girls sitting around.

I was then ushered into a private room, a large room with 2 sofas and a large screen TV playing dance music.

The mamasan immediately brought 3 girls into the room and asked me to choose.

After I've made my selection, she then told me the price which was RMB400. I paid and she left me with the girl I picked.

A short while later she returned saying that the girl I picked was busy and brought another girl. BTW both were pretty.

Mamasan then left, and me and girl number 2 got down to business.

After I've done the deed, I got changed quick and said I had to go. Immediately the girl left and 3 guys got into room and surrounded me.

The ring master. A shorter guy demanded to see what's in my wallet. I reluctantly handed it to him.

He took all of my cash as well as both my credit card and started asking how much I've got on both my card. He then told me he wanted RMB40k! This is close to USD$6k which I didn't have on me. I managed to talk him down to RMB20k. I wanted out of there asap.

As the short man went and swipe my cc for RMB20k, another man said that my "performance" was recorded.

The short guy then came back and got me to sign the credit card receipt and a formal receipt.

After this, I thought I could leave but he wanted to empty my other credit card. Thank God my other card did not work.

Approx 35mins later, they released me.

I am indeed a lucky man as I could have been beaten up, reported to the police or both!

Hence my advise is never never accept offers when approached on the street. This is China. Anything can happen.

My questions to those who are aware of this scam:

- I cancelled all credit cards but could not stop the RMB20k transaction.

What will happen if I contest this transaction claiming it as fraudulent? Will my signed receipt comes back to haunt me? Or will the thugs do any harm?

- If I do not contest the transaction and treat this payment as an expansive lesson learnt, will they continue to blackmail me? They do have a video recording of my session.

FYI accept for my credit cards which they took to process, they did not take or view anything else (my I'd card etc anything with my full contact details).

I also gave them a false name (altho they will have my real name from the credit card) as well as place of origin.

Thanks so much.

Regards,

FunSeeker90

Moth To Flames
03-08-14, 02:15
Fun seeker, you are not the first and won't be the last.

Call your card provider and cancel the transaction. It was made under duress. How will the thugs harm you if it was your last night in Shanghai? They've no idea who you are nor where you are going. You didn't say how much cash you lost but as you were prepared to pay 400 it must be a little more than that, so they are already in profit.

Will they blackmail you? Perhaps, if you are in fact a global celebrity who is instantly recognisable. If not, then at worst they have a low resolution video of a foreign guy fucking a KTV girl in presumably a somewhat darkened room and from a hidden camera, so more than likely at a distance and at a bad angle. But realistically, why do you assume they have a video at all? Because they told you? They also told you the price was 400rmb but surely you no longer believe that.

Shanghai Guide
03-08-14, 02:15
My questions to those who are aware of this scam:

What will happen if I contest this transaction claiming it as fraudulent? Will my signed receipt comes back to haunt me? Or will the thugs do any harm?

- If I do not contest the transaction and treat this payment as an expansive lesson learnt, will they continue to blackmail me? They do have a video recording of my session.First of all, I am sure we all feel with you for your experience. From time to time I follow pimps like that to see what happens and you can have a lot of fun, if you decide to leave the "Black Karaoke Clubs" before you did anything there, because than hard for them to threaten you (but I only recommend that if you first can speak Chinese and second if you have some Chinese friends with good relationship to the police). But a interesting fact: if guys approach you on the street, they will not stop to offer their "sexy girls", doesn`t matter what you tell them, but only one sentence in Chinese will imediatelly stop them, so I am sure they know with Chinese language you can handle a police discussion, and they know very well, if they treat someone who can call the police the way they did with you, than they will get serious problems.

But to answer your question:

- I would try to claiming it as fraudulent, because in worst case you have to pay the 20K, but there is nothing you can loose. You can tell the Creditcard company, you signed a paper with 2K and they changed it to 20K. Sounds reasonable for everyone, because a session in a Club or Restaurant (that`s what you will find on the credit card invoice) will be more near to 2K than to 20K. And there is a lot of cheating like that in China, so why your one should not be like that.

- There is not really a way for them to blackmail you, at least not with the police or the Chinese law, only if you are afraid they get in touch with your company or family, but first that`s not their business, they are cheating pimps, but not blackmailer, second it will be hard for them to find out your privat personal information if they only have your creditcard information.

But you can be sure, they will never ever bring that case to a Chinese "official institution", because this kind of "Black Karaoke Clubs" are not welcomed by the police, so that means if they will bring that case to police as they threatend you, they will get much more problems for themself than you will ever get! This kind of threat works well to get the money from a western guy who is afraid to get trouble with local law, but if the police will show up there, the club will be closed forthwith and a lot of that guys will be "invited" to prison (and they will have to stay there much longer there than the maximum of 10 days for a customer of illegal prostitution in China).

The police in Shanghai deals with Sauna or KTV Clubs, means they get "tip" for not raid them because of prostitution or give them a warning, if there is a upcoming raid, but I never heard about police support black cheating clubs like that. This kind of business is very bad for the "reputation" of the city, they the police also would get serious trouble, if they ignore it or support it.

There is a story about a guy who went back to his hotel and asked the concierge to help him call the police because of a very similar case like yours, and suddenly a "friend" of the owner of the shop show up in the lobby, promised to solve the problems and some minutes later someone come over to bring him 18K back from the 20K he paid. You see, they even send someone to watching that guy after the deal to make sure he will not call the police (or if so, to be informed in advance, so they have a chance to escape).

I am sure you will never get in a situation like that again, but if so, remember the place, call the police and the problem will be solved.

I think they will not have recorded any video and even if so, you can be very sure they will never show any video to the police, because if they use that for evidence, that you hired a prostitute, than it`s also a evidence that they offer and support prostitution. And in China for the customer of a prostitute, the punishment is 10 days prison (maximum) , for the pimp 2 years prision (minimum) , so they have some very good reasons not to record a video (because that would proof what they did), but even if they did, they will never ever show a video like that to the police!

Hope your next trip to Shanghai will be more fun and less trouble,

Steven

FunSeeker90
03-08-14, 02:38
Thanks to Moth to Flames and Steven for your wise and insightful advise.

I'm a total newbie when it comes to fun in China so this incident has really shooked me up.


There is a story about a guy who went back to his hotel and asked the concierge to help him call the police because of a very similar case like yours, and suddenly a "friend" of the owner of the shop show up in the lobby, promised to solve the problems and some minutes later someone come over to bring him 18K back from the 20K he paid. You see, they even send someone to watching that guy after the deal to make sure he will not call the police (or if so, to be informed in advance, so they have a chance to escape).

StevenWhen I arrived at the hotel, I did noticed a guy standing close to the entrance looking at me.

So yes, the above story is correct.

Thanks again. As I will be returning home soon, I will indeed lodge a fraudulent report for the transaction.

Regarding the video. While I did feel like a celebrity during the deed. No, I'm no Brad Pitt. Hence all they got was a fat guy having a go at a skinny Asian girl.

Thanks all

Mike921
03-08-14, 08:46
- I would try to claiming it as fraudulent, because in worst case you have to pay the 20K, but there is nothing you can loose. You can tell the Creditcard company, you signed a paper with 2K and they changed it to 20K. Sounds reasonable for everyone, because a session in a Club or Restaurant (that`s what you will find on the credit card invoice) will be more near to 2K than to 20K. And there is a lot of cheating like that in China, so why your one should not be like that.

StevenI agree with Steven, if you dispute the amount, then the signature issue is moot, and the whole thing becomes a very typical cheating issue.

As to the blackmail part, IMHO, a completely empty threat unless you're a 'person of interest'.

Like so many have said here before, never, never, NEVER go with a tout.

Beijing Fox
03-08-14, 16:39
Hi Friends,

Can somebody give me the address of Tang Dynasty Sauna?

Thank you and best regards,

Robert

Shanghai Guide
03-09-14, 03:50
Hi Friends,

Can somebody give me the address of Tang Dynasty Sauna?

Thank you and best regards,

RobertFind the location card attached. Download it to your mobile phone and show it to the taxi driver.

TomSf
03-09-14, 10:24
Hi everyone,

I like to share with you an incident that happened to me two days ago.

At around 10:30pm while returning back to my hotel from the local family mart, I was approached by a young man asking if I'm interesting in women and massage.

It was my last nite in Shanghai and I was feeling a bit frisky, hence I asked for more info. He told me that he knows a place not far from the hotel where there are pretty girls etc.

After much persuasion, I agreed. We then boarded the next taxi and he brought me to a building approx 15 mins away via taxi. As my Chinese is not very good, I couldn't recognize the name of the place, but the building is connected to a restaurant and a budget hotel.

When we got there, the man paid for the fare and we walked into the building and straight into the lift. He then pressed level 19...Funseeker,

Sorry to hear about your experience. I have warned mongers before about the KTV scams on this site and another one. Some of the other members called me an amateur, in experienced or posting false info. I love China mongering but I refuse to go to KTV for the exact same thing that happened to you. I might make an exception if I was going with Chinese locals that have been to the KTV before. My reason is just to much BS in China. I have heard so many KTV nightmares. My one Chinese friend who spoke perfect Chinese was brought watermelon, nuts, one girl no sex and what should have been no more than $30-40 USD. He get a bill of $700 USD and they would not let him leave. Long story. But, the problem with KTV through my eyes. Is you are are trapped in a room basically by yourself. They have many employees or how I see them as bouncers. When they pull that over charge robbery bullshit. You are basically trapped. How can matters be worse? If you are old and or not a fighter. You are even in a worse situation. I believe for personal safety reasons you should at least be able to say a few Chinese words like police.

Not all tauts are bad. It was you putting yourself in a taxi with a stranger and KTV that was bad. When the taut paid for the taxi that is a red flag! Now you owe taxi money and the taut will kill you before he will let you leave without paying back that taxi money plus interest. I would have quickly paid that taxi for my own safety. Sex in a KTV although it happens is another red flag. At a legit place this will never happen even if they have girls that you can take back to your hotel. First you have to get out of there. But even if you go to the police. Most likely they do not speak english. Second what if the club is friends with the police? So for you. I would just call the credit card company and a version of what happened.

When I go exploring in China or anywhere. I have a dummy wallet with limited cash, no credit cards or ID just limited cash. I keep cash for day in my sock and a copy of passport in my other sock. I am prepared for a robbery. Because when you are exploring areas you never been especially in red light areas. You should be prepared for robbery. I take $2000 USD and leave it my hotel safe. I do not touch this money. This is my emergency fund. I use my debit card to with draw money each day and try not to bring my cards with me. If I lose my debit card or I get robbed. What would I do for money? People don't think about this but they should.

I was in Dong Guan last year. I was exploring and found a woman taut. She told me 5 minutes walk to her place that has 20 girls to choose from. I felt she had a good heart. So I followed her. Yea it was more like 8 minute walk but down and around so many streets I did not know how to get back by myself. Any way she takes me to basically an alley and there were 15 guys standing in the alley. I was thinking I am dead. Turns out they were customers. LOL. Went in and it was just as she said. Everything was fine. But it definitely could have went bad for me. There are many places in China like Shen Zhen that have clusters of apartments with tauts that bring in an apartment. Although there is always a chance of danger. For me personally I feel this is safer. Because you are in an apartment which is a residence. I am prepared to fight my way out each time I go. Most they would have in an apartment may be 2-3 guys. Where at the KTV there could be 20 guys.

You learned you lesson. Just be more prepared next time. If you had a dummy wallet you would have not been in this mess. I have been in Shanghai before and loved it. Mongering there is not cheap though.

StinkyFeet
03-09-14, 16:48
Regarding KTV's it seems like simple common sense, if you think about it, to avoid being being ripped off. Where is the KTV? Is the establishment busy? Is it out in the open or hidden away? Is it in a hotel? International or local? How many stars? I've been to a lot of KTVs in China (dongguan, guangzhou, wuxi, tianjin, jianjiang) and I never been ripped off. I am talking about going by myself. I always check if the place has a reputation to keep, and if its a business that has been going on for several years. You can honestly tell though. The most dodgy KTV I have ever been to was actually in busan korea and tokyo. And even than I only spent 200usd there. My Chinese is like that of a 1 year old level FYI. Perhaps shanghai has more scams happening, but shanghai does have reputable KTVs with take-out (before the crack down).

MikeKohk
03-09-14, 19:33
Hi,

Does anyone know Manhattan's opening hours? I went there tonight around 8 and it was all closed (I thought it was opened on Sundays?)

Thanks,

Mike

Stegram
03-10-14, 00:17
1. Never Follow a Tout.

2. If you are ever "required" to sign something KTV or otherwise, sign with not your own signature and report the card stolen if you are engaged in a gray area activity.

3. If you call your credit card company and tell them it was fraud and the receipt you signed said 35RMB, they will remove the charge and leave it up to the merchant to prove otherwise.

4. See #1

Ikksman
03-10-14, 00:39
Funseeker,

Sorry to hear about your experience. I have warned mongers before about the KTV scams on this site and another one. [SNIP] Tom, congratulations on not using the term 'scouts' any more. But the word is 'touts' not 'tauts'. Touts is a term used all over the world and is not unique to this site.

But seriously, don't be so paranoid.

Other posters on this site have repeatedly told you of the logical precautions to take when mongering. Now Stinkyfeet and Stegram are adding their wisdom too. You have written your $700 KTV scam story repeatedly on this forum.

I would add one further piece of advice to you. Do not think that you can fight with Chinese guys, regardless of your age and fighting ability. You would be fighting against multiple guys who probably have knives (unless of course you are One Wing Low). This is just how it is in China.

Member #4643
03-10-14, 02:49
Tom, congratulations on not using the term 'scouts' any more. But the word is 'touts' not 'tauts'. Touts is a term used all over the world and is not unique to this site.

But seriously, don't be so paranoid.

Other posters on this site have repeatedly told you of the logical precautions to take when mongering. Now Stinkyfeet and Stegram are adding their wisdom too. You have written your $700 KTV scam story repeatedly on this forum.

I would add one further piece of advice to you. Do not think that you can fight with Chinese guys, regardless of your age and fighting ability. You would be fighting against multiple guys who probably have knives (unless of course you are One Wing Low). This is just how it is in China.

I have read a few stories like this on the internet: guy meets a tout, ends up in a sexual situation, and is then threatened physically and / or blackmailed. It seems that none of the guys are comfortable going to the police, but the reason for this is not entirely clear to me (nor is it a great mystery either. We have all been disappointed by the police at some time in our lives! )

My question is this: are there scams in China to avoid where the "tout" is a pretty woman? A girl one meets while shopping? Who sets the guy up for the same type of ill treatment?

This happened to me once in Hungary about 8 years ago. Two gorgeous young women, whom I met strolling down the street in a fashionable neighborhood after dinner, invited me for a drink as a prelude to steamy sex. I took them for high class working women, and I was delighted by the offer. We went to a night club and as we were just starting to get friendly, a waiter showed up with two bottles of Champagne and two bottles of cognac- none of which had been ordered. I took a moment from my groping activities to inquire why these bottles were on my table, and what the cost would be. The waiter told me not to worry, at which point I got up and ran to the elevator, leaving the girls behind. I honestly did not really think about why I was running, I just knew I had to leave. There was a lot of shouting (even though none of the bottles had even been opened) and an absolutely huge guy appeared from the kitchen and started to chase me, at which point the elevator doors closed. When I got to the street level, I ran to my hotel (about half a mile away) as fast as I could. Later on, I checked out on the internet that these scams were common in Budapest, and that the US Embassy actually warned male tourists about the activity. People were typically billed in the thousands of dollars for the wine and liquor, and taken from ATM to ATM to pay the bill when they failed to have adequate cash. I considered myself to be very lucky that evening.

Is this something that happens in China these days as well?

Ikksman
03-10-14, 03:15
[SNIP] My question is this: are there scams in China to avoid where the "tout" is a pretty woman? A girl one meets while shopping? Who sets the guy up for the same type of ill treatment? [SNIP]

Is this something that happens in China these days as well?The answer is yes, although I have not heard of it happening where I am in Shenzhen.

The advice given by guys on this forum is, if you meet a girl, NEVER go to a bar or restaurant recommended by the girl. Simple!

Cheers

Jarodmeng
03-10-14, 03:26
For starter, I'm not a tout. I've lived abroad for a long time and am in Shanghai for a short time period. I speak native Mandarin and Shanghainese. I know a few very good local sauna places which offer good services. I can introduce you and go with you so that you don't spend a long time searching for good services. If interested, you can pm me or [Email address deleted by Admin]

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Shanghai Guide
03-10-14, 07:50
My question is this: are there scams in China to avoid where the "tout" is a pretty woman? A girl one meets while shopping?

Is this something that happens in China these days as well?Women also used as touts very often here in Shanghai. Just search for "tea house scam" or "nan jing lu scam" and you will find several things like that.

The Nan Jing Lu shopping street is famous for pretty girls who will start to talk with you and offer you different kind of service:

- The "massage scam". The girls will come over and offer you a sexy massage with pretty girls. If you like to be scamed, you just can follow them to a "black" massage shop, have a session there and pay 10K to 20K for a session worth 300 RMB (and the same "strong Chinese guys" will show up to charge you the fee! I start to count last time when I was there with a german friend, and we counted 23 times "massage" offers while we passed the pedestrian street from start to end (we both looked like western tourists who are borned to be cheated in China).

- The "tea house scam". The girls will tell you they are students who want to practice english, than you go to a tea house or restaurant around together, have some tea or food and they will show you a bill with 2 to 5 000 RMB (what should not be more than 200 to 300 RMB). Here you have nearly no chance, because the tea house or restaurant will also offer some incredible expensive tea or dishes, so even the police will not be able to check, if you eat or drink that or not, so most time you have to pay or even with police you can only figure out a compromise to pay 50.

- The "art student scam". Nearly the same than the tea house scam, only different is that they will pretend to be art students who want to practice english, than go to a art gallery, drink some tea there and than. (check out "tea house scam).

- The "KTV scam" will start the same way than art and teahouse scam. A pretty girl will talk with you, she want to practice her english, than you will have a coffee with her, than later she want to go singing with you, she will bring you to a very cheap Karaoke place (only 50 RMB per hour) , than after some drink you will have the invoice for some thousand RMB for everything and the girl will be very surprised, that it is so expensive.

You should know, that these "girls" don`t work "independent"! They are part of a "scam-group". This means while you go around with her, there will be at least one to three guys around who will make sure it will follow up to a big money deal at the end! So even if you decide which restaurant to go, the guys in the background will clear a "overpriced" deal with the restaurant while you having dinner with the girl. Try to go to Kentucky or Mc Donalds or to your hotel restaurant with the girl. Here the "colleagues" have no chance to make a deal, so you will see how hard she has to work to avoid that places.

So first recommondation: never follow any tout!

If you did already jump into that trap, best way to come out:

- First way: don`t bring too much money and no cards to pick up more with you. They will also guide you to the hotel to get your cards and pick up more money, but as soon as you enter the hotel lobby, you can ask the stuff at the counter to call the police for you, than your "bodyguards" will leave, trust me.

- Second way: provide less cash, pay with credit card, than announce that deal as a cheating where they rised up the amount and call the money back.

After you left the location, remember the number and street, go to the hotel and ask the stuff there to call the police to solve the problem and for get back your money. Than there is a good chance that one of the "blackmail team" who has "shadowed" you after you payed to make sure there will be no upcoming trouble will show up and promise to solve the problem, because he is a "friend" of someone who is involved. If not, than the police at least will close that "club" and you have a good chance to get back your money by this way. But for that, there is one rule. Prostitution is forbidden in China, so NEVER ever tell the police you had sex for money there! Your position is: went there, drink, sing, talk, but not more. Than they threatend you to pay! The gangsters also will never tell the police something about prostitution, because they also want to avoid getting prisoned for that, so you should not be stupid to be the one who admit to a crime!

Shanghai Guide
03-10-14, 07:59
The advice given by guys on this forum is, if you meet a girl, NEVER go to a bar or restaurant recommended by the girl. Simple!

CheersSounds simple, but it isn`t like that every time. That advise will not solve all the potential problems. They often work as a team, so even if you select the restaurants, her "team members" in the background will find a way to overcharge you, as long as it is not a very "clean" place. I would advice to go to your hotel restaurant, because they will not be able to agree to a "overcharge" deal billed to your room. Or Mc Donalds, Kentucky, Pizza Hut or another brand like that, because than there is no chance to find a "overpriced" dish which they can charge to you.

FreebieFan
03-10-14, 08:30
The Nan Jing Lu shopping street is famous for pretty girls who will start to talk with you and offer you different kind of service:

- The "massage scam".200 to 300 RMB). !Yes last time I counted 12 offers on a quick walk from Bund to Le Meridien hotel. The girls are easy to spot and easy to blow off.

The bag / watch salesmen were even more of a nuisance though. Finally I beckoned one particularly aggressive bag seller over. He had been pestering me for a about 400 metres. I said " I don't want your bag but do you know what I really want ". He replied " No ".

I want you to Fuck off and get out of my sight ". I assume the words that came out of his mouth therafter were equally unpleasant. I didn't really care. A good walk had been spoilt.

Sadly for all the police on that street they do nothing to clean up the garbage that walks up and down the street with all their rip off games.

StinkyFeet
03-10-14, 17:44
This happened to me once in Hungary about 8 years ago. Two gorgeous young women, whom I met strolling down the street in a fashionable neighborhood after dinner, invited me for a drink as a prelude to steamy sex.Isn't this quite common in Thailand?

This happened to me once in Bangkok about 8 years ago. Two gorgeous young women, whom I met at Cockatoo after dinner, invited me for a drink as a prelude to steamy sex.

StinkyFeet
03-10-14, 17:54
Sounds simple, but it isn`t like that every time. That advise will not solve all the potential problems. They often work as a team, so even if you select the restaurants, her "team members" in the background will find a way to overcharge you, as long as it is not a very "clean" place.Take the girl out on a romantic dumpling stand. I would love to see how many dumplings they would have to charge to get several thousand rmb! Haha.

Best tactic if you got time to burn, waste there time! Drag the girl from shop to shop from morning until evening, than say you need to need to visit the police!

Stegram
03-10-14, 18:11
Sounds simple, but it isn`t like that every time. That advise will not solve all the potential problems. They often work as a team, so even if you select the restaurants, her "team members" in the background will find a way to overcharge you, as long as it is not a very "clean" place. I would advice to go to your hotel restaurant, because they will not be able to agree to a "overcharge" deal billed to your room. Or Mc Donalds, Kentucky, Pizza Hut or another brand like that, because than there is no chance to find a "overpriced" dish which they can charge to you.Follow them to a tea house, KTV, art studio, etc. It exposes you to unnecessary risk.

However, if a girl whispers "sex massage" and it is SHE who is going to come to YOUR hotel room. That's worked out for me a couple of times.

Or. A girl asks if you want a girl, I said let me see her and I followed her to an alley near WangFuJing in Beijing and van pulled up and a girl stepped out and smiled."Sure" I said, and the girl came with me to my hotel.

I was taken by the tea house and art studio scams early in my China travels. I didn't have ISG to warn me as I hadn't found it yet.

Ikksman
03-10-14, 23:58
Isn't this quite common in Thailand?

This happened to me once in Bangkok about 8 years ago. Two gorgeous young women, whom I met at Cockatoo after dinner, invited me for a drink as a prelude to steamy sex.I think it happens everywhere. It happened to me in Hanoi. I was walking back to the Hilton (Opera House) hotel from Bobby Chin's restaurant and 2 girls stopped me and said they were uni students and wanted to practise English. Wanted to take me somewhere. Hilton is not GF, so I could not say come to my room, but then they probably would have hurried off! LOL

Teltel
03-11-14, 02:55
Take the girl out on a romantic dumpling stand. I would love to see how many dumplings they would have to charge to get several thousand rmb! Haha.

Best tactic if you got time to burn, waste there time! Drag the girl from shop to shop from morning until evening, than say you need to need to visit the police!Had a girl walk with me for almost two hours, I walked through lanes, main roads and anywhere else I could think of to waste her time but still she persisted. Did not spend a cent and when we got back to wangfujing (in beijing) her friend came over to up the sales pitch. I asked the friend if she fucked for money as good as the first girl, end of conversation, they both departed ASAP.

Teltel

Chicken Ong
03-11-14, 04:51
I'm traveling to Shang Hai next week going to stay at Huangpu areas Fuzhou Lu.

I have been to XingHe before and the service was fine

I'm asking if any massage spa nearby Fuzhou Lu? Any recommendation?

Tomcruz
03-11-14, 20:21
Hey guys,

Quick question, and this may sound strange, but hear me out. I'm a newbie to the mongering scene.

I love DATY, and do it with girls I know well, I. E. Not professionals. I've always been very nervous about doing DATY with a working girl, but many people here post about it. Do you all do it? Does a shower reduce the risk? When do you typically do it and when do you draw the line? Have you had any bad experiences from this, I. E. Requiring a trip to the doctor? Does anyone in the world actually use a dental dam to go down on a girl?

Looking for some guidance from my more experienced friends here. Just trying to keep it safe.

Thanks a lot,

Tom

Waldeck2
03-12-14, 02:32
The situation in the immediate area has not changed much. About 1/2 of the shops are closed. The ones that are open have 2 or 3 girls. The main door is locked and they open it for you. The door that was acticated by the girls at the end of the hall is gone. The girls are not dressed in sexy clothes but they wear normal street clothes. My regular is back, thank you jesus, and the fucking is as good as it gets. The situation is changing.

Ikksman
03-12-14, 06:37
Hey guys,

Quick question, and this may sound strange, but hear me out. I'm a newbie to the mongering scene.

I love DATY, and do it with girls I know well, I. E. Not professionals. I've always been very nervous about doing DATY with a working girl, but many people here post about it. Do you all do it? Does a shower reduce the risk? When do you typically do it and when do you draw the line? Have you had any bad experiences from this, I. E. Requiring a trip to the doctor? Does anyone in the world actually use a dental dam to go down on a girl?

Looking for some guidance from my more experienced friends here. Just trying to keep it safe.

Thanks a lot,

TomPersonally, I will not DATY with any girl (WG or not) , who is freshly shaved. I feel too much risk from possible minute amounts of blood from the shaving. Just my opinion!

Give me the Bush, or a genuine white tiger!

I believe that there is also the risk of catching herpes from DATY. This risk is up to the individual to assess.

Cheers

Masslin
03-12-14, 08:34
I'm traveling to Shang Hai next week going to stay at Huangpu areas Fuzhou Lu.

I have been to XingHe before and the service was fine

I'm asking if any massage spa nearby Fuzhou Lu? Any recommendation?There's a sauna called Lidu SPA on the 10th floor of Wu Gong Hotel.

WrinkleFree
03-12-14, 10:22
Will be in Shanghai for the first time this weekend, hopefully the saunas stay open! Will probably try to get to a couple of saunas. I've been to 6-7 saunas in Macau, but would love to find a wingman who might know the lay of the land as this is my first time to China. I've got my eye on a few addresses.

If anyone wants to get together this coming Saturday or Sunday night, please PM me!

Member #1344
03-12-14, 18:00
I had a chance to go to Merrylin tonight and it was pretty busy for a rainy Wednesday night. After changing and a brief rest, they brought me in to the fishbowl area. Before the lineup came the manager came out with 871, a shorty (150 cm) with a solid and firm be cup. He said she just started so I figured I would give her a shot.

In the room I found out nicethat she is only 18 which showed in her firm fits and rounded ass. She has a bit of meat on her which is a nice change but it isn't sagging. The added bonus is that she was working in saunas in Chang an for about a year so her service was excellent. I have always thought that Dongguan service is better than Shanghai.

She told me that there are a lot of girls these days due to the influx from DG. As a result shuangfei at Merrylin is only 400 extra instead of 500 since the girls aren't working enough. I wish I could be here longer to enjoy the situation but I will be traveling again. Have fun!

StinkyFeet
03-12-14, 19:27
She told me that there are a lot of girls these days due to the influx from DG. As a result shuangfei at Merrylin is only 400 extra instead of 500 since the girls aren't working enough. I wish I could be here longer to enjoy the situation but I will be traveling again. Have fun!It's true. SIGH. All my favorites are now in Shanghai. (cry).

EdenSands
03-12-14, 20:14
I saw some information about a place that sounded interesting but unfortunately it said nothing about the address or even which district it's in. It's called Ba Li Ya club / sauna and it sounds like a full service kind of place. Can anyone fill in any details?

Skepti10
03-12-14, 23:41
Hey guys,

Quick question, and this may sound strange, but hear me out. I'm a newbie to the mongering scene.

I love DATY, and do it with girls I know well, I. E. Not professionals. I've always been very nervous about doing DATY with a working girl, but many people here post about it. Do you all do it? Does a shower reduce the risk? When do you typically do it and when do you draw the line? Have you had any bad experiences from this, I. E. Requiring a trip to the doctor? Does anyone in the world actually use a dental dam to go down on a girl?

Looking for some guidance from my more experienced friends here. Just trying to keep it safe.

Thanks a lot,

TomA shower does not reduce the risk in any way. Whether you do DATY or not depends on your personal preference and risk tolerance.

BionicMan
03-13-14, 13:29
In the room I found out nicethat she is only 18

The added bonus is that she was working in saunas in Chang an for about a year!If we do the math. She was not 18 when she worked in Chang.

Shanghai Guide
03-13-14, 14:28
if we do the math. she was not 18 when she worked in chang.i hope she was not honest with her age, because if not, than it means there are **** working girls in a sauna. i did not expect that till now!

if so, than we all can get in serious trouble. the chinese goverment is not too tough for sex with a prostitute, but for sex with a ****d girl, the customer will definitly have a really big problem, than we don`t talk about a 10 days jail but about some years.

but i am nearly sure she was not honest with her age. nearly all girls who apply on our page tell us 18 or 19, till we ask for a passport copy, than the age changed to 24 very fast.

Straydog Jr
03-13-14, 15:17
I am not sure about BaLiYa.

The rooms don't have any water facilities, hence no water related pleasantries are performed. Besides that, some girls have really bad attitude but others very good.

I will not return.


I saw some information about a place that sounded interesting but unfortunately it said nothing about the address or even which district it's in. It's called Ba Li Ya club / sauna and it sounds like a full service kind of place. Can anyone fill in any details?

StinkyFeet
03-13-14, 17:23
i hope she was not honest with her age, because if not, than it means there are **** working girls in a sauna. i did not expect that till now!

if so, than we all can get in serious trouble. the chinese goverment is not too tough for sex with a prostitute, but for sex with a ****d girl, the customer will definitly have a really big problem, than we don`t talk about a 10 days jail but about some years.

but i am nearly sure she was not honest with her age. nearly all girls who apply on our page tell us 18 or 19, till we ask for a passport copy, than the age changed to 24 very fast.not like i am condoning this but. **** laws in china are different versus europe and china. that's all i' m saying.

Ikksman
03-13-14, 23:29
[SNIP]

But I am nearly sure she was not honest with her age. Nearly all girls who apply on our page tell us 18 or 19, till we ask for a passport copy, than the age changed to 24 very fast.I think that most Chinese girls do not have a passport. But all girls should have should have security I'd. And birthdate is also embedded in the security number itself.

Most girls know their security number off by heart. Ask them to tell it to you!

Cheers

Bondyt
03-15-14, 23:41
This intel is OLD, so keep that in mind, there is a three star local hotel nearby downtown area with an attached spa. At the spa is a sauna, charges are about 488 rmb, five years ago. Have red ropes. Shows girls one by one. Girl quality can range from 6 to 7. 5 with a the rarity of 9's (with lots of rules). If you do the KTV's make sure its the Korean style KTV's so you can bring the girl home. Quality for these girls are 6 to 8's. LT was about 800rmb back than. I MISS WUXI it was one of my favorite towns. Just watch out for the young xinjiang boys selling knives.Thanks for the info. Hmmmm, where else can I get some more info?

JohnnyGolfr
03-16-14, 00:16
I am headed to Wuxi next week. Would love some info on good MP's or contacts.


Thanks for the info. Hmmmm, where else can I get some more info?

Moth To Flames
03-16-14, 04:00
not like i am condoning this but. **** laws in china are different versus europe and china. that's all i' m sayingnot when it comes to prostitution. legal age for consensual sex and legal age for commercial sex are not the same, and i think you'll find that the latter is petty similar the world over.

Beijing Fox
03-16-14, 04:29
Find the location card attached. Download it to your mobile phone and show it to the taxi driver.Thank you for your help

Skepti10
03-17-14, 05:25
Hi all,

I posted a (rather long and somewhat bland) tr on the bbs scene in shanghai some time ago. Can some of the more seasoned vets here give me an idea ofwhat the process is for bbs takeaway back to my hotel? I quite like the looks and prices of bbs girls but hate the shocking conditions of the "rooms".

How do I ask them to come with me? Is there a surcharge? Is going in a taxi going to be an issue since I don't have a scooter?

Five Aces
03-17-14, 16:12
Not when it comes to prostitution. Legal age for consensual sex and legal age for commercial sex are not the same, and I think you'll find that the latter is petty similar the world over.I think the age for consensual sex in China is 14. So what is it for commercial sex.

Carage
03-17-14, 21:25
I think the age for consensual sex in China is 14. So what is it for commercial sex.None, because commercial sex / prostitution is illegal.

Ikksman
03-18-14, 00:29
none, because commercial sex / prostitution is illegal.except that in the last couple of years, a number of chinese men have been charged with "having sex with an **** prostitute" (under 14 years) , which carries a maximum of 5 years in prison (i think). this is a much lesser charge than statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) (of an under 14) , and so is often preferred against people in a position of power / influence, even though the poor innocent girl was obviously raped. they just call her a prostitute! disgusting!

again disgusting, but i have also read that many public service officials (including teachers) in the south of china, believe that having sex with a virgin greatly enhances their chances of promotion in the immediate future. totally disgusting!

Shanghai Guide
03-18-14, 17:49
Hi all,

I posted a (rather long and somewhat bland) tr on the bbs scene in shanghai some time ago. Can some of the more seasoned vets here give me an idea ofwhat the process is for bbs takeaway back to my hotel? I quite like the looks and prices of bbs girls but hate the shocking conditions of the "rooms".

How do I ask them to come with me? Is there a surcharge? Is going in a taxi going to be an issue since I don't have a scooter?The BBS girls in Shanghai are not for "takeout", so you have nearly no chance just to go there and ask her for come with you.

These girls are employed by the shop and not allowed to leave in working time and the boss has no "offer" for takeout a girl like the "barfine" in Thailand.

If you go to see the same girl several times and you built up a "relationship" with her, could be she will visit you before or after work for a private session.

But I really don`t understand your question about the taxi, because who should have a problem with that? The girl? The taxi driver?

Definitly no problem for anyone, if you take a girl with you in a taxi in Shanghai.

Orca11
03-19-14, 03:16
Shanghai Guide,

You highlighted on your site that Ba Li Ya Club is one of the best sauna's in Shanghai. Can you please share the address of the place?

Thanks!

Orca11
03-19-14, 09:47
Shangai-nightlife,

You rated this as one of the top saunas in Shaghai. Can you provide the address to this location in Chinese?

Thanks

Mike921
03-19-14, 15:02
Hi all,

I posted a (rather long and somewhat bland) tr on the bbs scene in shanghai some time ago. Can some of the more seasoned vets here give me an idea ofwhat the process is for bbs takeaway back to my hotel? I quite like the looks and prices of bbs girls but hate the shocking conditions of the "rooms".

How do I ask them to come with me? Is there a surcharge? Is going in a taxi going to be an issue since I don't have a scooter?Best to think of BBS as a McDonalds drive through, they just want to service you as quickly as possible, take your money, and send you on your way. Most don't even want you to undress, just drop your pants.

IMHO, I don't think take out service (if it were available) would be very good anyway as the girls are programmed for quick in and out and would be out the door seconds after you popped.

Ringer5
03-19-14, 22:43
Best to think of BBS as a McDonalds drive through, they just want to service you as quickly as possible, take your money, and send you on your way. Most don't even want you to undress, just drop your pants.

IMHO, I don't think take out service (if it were available) would be very good anyway as the girls are programmed for quick in and out and would be out the door seconds after you popped.Actually I've done this at a BBS in Pudong. I just walked in and suggested to one of the girls that she came home with me. She named a price, I think it was 500 instead of the normal 200 or 300, and got ready to leave. She then suggested her friend came along too. Whether for her safety or to get more money out of the event, I'm not sure. It's possible they were able to leave the shop because it was quite late and near closing time anyway. They stayed till the early morning, seemed in no hurry to leave. I wouldn't repeat the two-girl thing (as usual, it just means less work for them both) but there was no problem otherwise.

Fritobugger
03-20-14, 01:39
I have done take out also when I was a regular at their shop and lived very near by. If you are a visitor staying at a hotel and speak no mandarin then it becomes much less possible.


Actually I've done this at a BBS in Pudong. I just walked in and suggested to one of the girls that she came home with me. She named a price, I think it was 500 instead of the normal 200 or 300, and got ready to leave. She then suggested her friend came along too. Whether for her safety or to get more money out of the event, I'm not sure. It's possible they were able to leave the shop because it was quite late and near closing time anyway. They stayed till the early morning, seemed in no hurry to leave. I wouldn't repeat the two-girl thing (as usual, it just means less work for them both) but there was no problem otherwise.

Grimmy23
03-20-14, 10:27
first off, i can say that the effects of the crackdown here are noticeable. several of the saunas have closed down. si yuan (merrilyn hotel) is still alive and well as of today but they are very busy as there are clearly fewer choices for customers. more to follow on s yuan later.

to start my week, i did something a bit out of the ordinary for me and enlisted a craigslist outcall. lisa regularly posts on craigslist in the therapeutic section. her ads say "professional tantric massage" or something along those lines. says she is professionally trained in singapore. she looks rather plain in her photo but out of pure curiosity i emailed her. we had some back and forth conversation and she sounded quite nice so i booked a session with her before i even left the states.

lisa showed up at my room right on time, and much to my surprise she was quite a bit prettier in person than i was expecting. very friendly / sweet personality and she was dressed like any other 20-something girl you see out on the town. button-down blouse and mini-skirt with black tights underneath. for rmb 800 she strips down to her panties, or she'll go full nude for an extra 200. she also asks for 100 to cover rt taxi fare. she gives a very thorough back massage. really a professional quality one that got me very relaxed. i've been to a lot of legit day spas and this back massage was of a similar quality. she then does a brief prostate massage if you're into that. she asked if it was ok if she stuck her finger in, and since i'd never had that before i said ok. finally i rolled over for the front half massage. she allowed my hands to roam freely while she rubbed her body all over my chest. when it came time for the hand job i was very surprised. for the first time ever i got a hj that wasn't just a quick release. she kept me edging for a good 30 minutes. she said clearly that she wouldn't make me cum until i wanted to cum. she'd keep getting me excited then make me relax again. holy crap that was intense!

my session with her lasted the full 90 minutes and i slept like a baby that night. yes, she's expensive but worth it in my opinion for a professional quality massage and the edging experience, all from a very sweet and good looking girl.

day 2. rou yi xuan spa.

i wanted to go to a sauna. dong jin wan 968 is located just 2 blocks from my hotel so that was my first choice, but they were closed and dark. bummer. i then tried sacrosa, about a 20 minute walk but they were also closed. crap! i was about to call it a night when i just happened to peek into the window of rou yi xuan. it is part of the novotel atlantis hotel where i was staying. immediately a guy called me in and i went to check it out. full body massage for 380 was on the menu. sure, what the hell. i was shown upstairs to the locker / shower room and given the cotton pj's. no choice of girls. there was one waiting when i was escorted to the massage room. she was ok looking. a little older than i'd prefer but passable. she gave a decent legit massage, then offered to get naked for a 200 tip. full roaming was allowed. she licked my nipples and gave me a very nice hand release, followed by a 15. 20 minute facial massage, then a second hand release. i'd have to say not a bad deal overall, but not sauna quality girls and no chance to choose. they will also send girls up to your room for 500 / hour if you're staying in the novotel. perhaps more happens when they come to your room but i didn't try.

day 3. si yuan (merrilyn)

finally i walked over to the merrilyn hotel and was pleased to see it was open. same deal here as has been widely reported. 880 fee for the complete package including nuru. the one bummer was that the manager said they were "very busy" and didn't have enough girls for the fishbowl. i was a little disappointed because the fishbowl to me is like being a kid in a candy store. one of the sauna experiences i really enjoy. no worries, she set me up with a 25-year old hottie who spoke a little bit of english and all was well.

overall a good week. i don't know how long merrilyn will be able to hang on though. i hope they're still around on my next visit.

Member #4643
03-20-14, 12:59
Shanghai Guide,

You highlighted on your site that Ba Li Ya Club is one of the best sauna's in Shanghai. Can you please share the address of the place?

Thanks!. I too would like to know. Please pm me instructions if I need to join your club. Thanks

Shaun Palmer
03-20-14, 13:17
I have been a returning customer to some BBS for years now, I know all the girls in the shops and fuck each of them more than once, the boss know me quite of well too. The line up is pretty much the same as 2 years ago.

I have strong wechat / sms relation with them and I am used to take out some of them to my place. But it was after at least a year of "relationship". Actually the first time, I took out a girl, I offered good money, she was pretty scared about coming to this laowai place even after fucking each other for a while already. But it ended pretty well, and the word spread out quickly on the street. The second time, the whole street was closed for inspection, one of the girl offered me to come to my home, if I could pick her up. She spent the whole night 10pm to 10am with me for 800 rmb and I drove her back there in the morning.

Now the price I pay is 200rmb on spot or 300 take away for 1h during working time. Quite not bad I think but I think it is very difficult to get a chance to have a Chinese bbs working girl on your own bed if you don't develop a pretty strong trusted relationship.


The BBS girls in Shanghai are not for "takeout", so you have nearly no chance just to go there and ask her for come with you.

These girls are employed by the shop and not allowed to leave in working time and the boss has no "offer" for takeout a girl like the "barfine" in Thailand.

If you go to see the same girl several times and you built up a "relationship" with her, could be she will visit you before or after work for a private session.

But I really don`t understand your question about the taxi, because who should have a problem with that? The girl? The taxi driver?

Definitly no problem for anyone, if you take a girl with you in a taxi in Shanghai.

SamCan
03-21-14, 01:48
Just back, pretty much same old shanghai. I was worried about all the noise in other places, but saw little that was different. Granted I tend to just do the HE MPs. Manhattans was a hopping as ever. I had 3 Viet girls offer to come home with me and not leave until I did all three of them. I did not take them up on it. Their starting price was 1000 RMB each. Or 3000 for the 3.

I can't speak to the spas as I stayed out out them. Field reports later.

Sam

Persian Fellow
03-21-14, 08:38
Hi,

First of all, your site is great source of information for guys who never been to Shanghai thanks for that. Is it reachable in China (Shanghai)?

Next week, I will be to Shanghai for only 1 night so there is no time for hit & miss and I need your advice. I am looking for privacy, quality and luxury so money is the last issue and I can't speak a word in Chinese.

Based on reviews of saunas list on your site I have ranked and short listed my options as:

Tang Dynasty.

1066 Sauna.

Smart Hero Sauna.

Dream Water Palace (is it closed?)

Surf Club Sauna.

Fountain Head Sauna.

Is that right? Any other recommendations? Is Manhattan a good alternative or not?

Appreciate your response

Fellow

Mighty Spearsman
03-21-14, 15:06
Hi,

First of all, your site is great source of information for guys who never been to Shanghai thanks for that. Is it reachable in China (Shanghai)?

Next week, I will be to Shanghai for only 1 night so there is no time for hit & miss and I need your advice. I am looking for privacy, quality and luxury so money is the last issue and I can't speak a word in Chinese.

Based on reviews of saunas list on your site I have ranked and short listed my options as:

Tang Dynasty.

1066 Sauna.

Smart Hero Sauna.

Dream Water Palace (is it closed?)

Surf Club Sauna.

Fountain Head Sauna.

Is that right? Any other recommendations? Is Manhattan a good alternative or not?

Appreciate your response

FellowIMHO if you're only in town for one night, then try one of the better saunas first, then if you still have energy, then try Manhattan (which is a bar / night club, not a sauna, and can be hit-or-miss).

I had a great experience at Hailang Sauna, including red rope

DIRECTIONS: Hailang is at Zhong Shan Xi Lu 1277.

中山西路1277号海螺大厦.

Here are two posts that I wrote about my 2012 visit there:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1264678&viewfull=1#post1264678 This post has a copy of the spa's business card, which you can show to any cab driver.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?945-East-China-Shanghai&p=1264682&viewfull=1#post1264682 A longer field report

Persian Fellow
03-22-14, 09:12
Thanks for reply Mighty Spearsman,

By site I mean shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com, is it reachable in China or it is blocked?

I have got most of my information from shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com and on that site there is no mention of Hailang.

The prices in my list are more or less the same as 880 of Hailang so it must be a good choice as well, nevertheless your report is very helpful but it is rather old.

Based on shanghai-nightlife-guide, The Surf Club also provides Red Rope and Nuru Massage. However for me the most important factors are privacy, then cleanness (that I hope comes with luxury) , then quality, thus I think Tang Dynasty and 1066 are the best matches.

So in your valuable opinion is Hailang similar to Tang Dynasty and 1066 for me?

And what is the best time to go to sauna?

Fellow

SamCan
03-22-14, 09:49
Here is the first of many adventures I had over the last 2 weeks in Shanghai. I will post them all but if I do them together, it will be too long. So anyway, here goes. I was concerned with all the crackdown information but it seems that has not seemed to reach Shanghai.

I arrived at Beijing Lu and was offered "Anmo?" I went upstairs and they sent me a 29-32 year old. She had at least a B-Cup and was well rounded for a Chinese girl. I would give her a 8+. She was definately not fat but a really good body. She immediately welcomed me like her BF. She gave me a hug and pushed my face into her breasts. The massage was good. When I flipped, she stroked the little guy and let me kiss her chest. There was no ask for a tip. I motioned I wanted to screw the titties. We negotiated 200rmb and she took off her shirt the rest of the way. She went to work on me. I was worked up and it was over quickly. Her chest was awesome! She cleaned me and herself up. She laid on the table with me and we talked in Chinese. It was like Girlfriend boy friend. I had a great time and repeated wtih her the next night. She is girl number 2. Well worth the visit.

I went back a week later and was offered another girl. Girl #11. She was pretty but kinda flat upstairs. I would give her a 7. Her massage was excellent and as good as a real place for Massage. Elbow into the back, hard massage and worth the price of admission alone. She started tle light touch and reached under me while I was on my stomach. On the flip, she negotiated a tip. She dropped her top and was quite flat. If you can negotiate the HJ and save money without the top, you would be all right. Her HJ was excellent, slow and excruciating! She took all the time in the world until I exploded. It was good. She took her time and made me enjoy it well. She wanted me to come back but I flew home the next day.

I have good luck at BJ road. I know others have posted less. The girls are pretty, fun and I have yet to be dissapointed.

Sam Can

Mighty Spearsman
03-22-14, 18:49
Thanks for reply Mighty Spearsman,

By site I mean shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com, is it reachable in China or it is blocked?

I have got most of my information from shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com and on that site there is no mention of Hailang.

The prices in my list are more or less the same as 880 of Hailang so it must be a good choice as well, nevertheless your report is very helpful but it is rather old.

Based on shanghai-nightlife-guide, The Surf Club also provides Red Rope and Nuru Massage. However for me the most important factors are privacy, then cleanness (that I hope comes with luxury) , then quality, thus I think Tang Dynasty and 1066 are the best matches.

So in your valuable opinion is Hailang similar to Tang Dynasty and 1066 for me?

And what is the best time to go to sauna?

FellowWhen I was in Shanghai in March 2012, I was able to access both this site (ISG) and the shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com with no problem (and I was staying in a dorm at a government university). However, this can always change in an instant at the whim of the (communist) Chinese government.

Hailang Spa was included in shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com two years ago, not sure why it's not on that web site anymore. Maybe another member knows why?

Yes, I feel that Hailang is similar to Tang Dynasty and 1066. Hailang may be even more private than those other two sites, and it's certainly clean with quality girls to choose from.

Best time? Depends on who you ask. Some guys like to go to a place when it first opens for the day, with the idea that the girls are fresh. Others like to go mid-to-late afternoon, once the girls have woken up fully, while some others enjoy being the girl's last (only?) customer of the day. If you arrive later in the evening, some of the girls may not be available, or may be too tired to perform. Early evenings is a good time but the spa might be busy, but that depends on what night of the week it is. As always, YMMV.

Five Aces
03-24-14, 06:12
Shanghai Guide advice needed.

First of all, your site is great source of information for guys who never been to Shanghai thanks for that.By this time I have to say sorry to Shanghai Guide for bashing you all the time, but.

For anyone who has been here before or who actually reads this forum it is not the best source of information. Sure he offers a lot of advice but a lot of it is not what someone who knows their way around Shanghai would go for. It tends to be commercial and more expensive. You can do better but you have to hunt for it a bit.

Persian Fellow
03-24-14, 07:43
By this time I have to say sorry to Shanghai Guide for bashing you all the time, but.

For anyone who has been here before or who actually reads this forum it is not the best source of information. Sure he offers a lot of advice but a lot of it is not what someone who knows their way around Shanghai would go for. It tends to be commercial and more expensive. You can do better but you have to hunt for it a bit.RTFF, yes I did it backward to March 2013 not only Shanghai but also Beijing and some other cities as well so I am aware of crackdown etc.

'he offers a lot of advice but a lot of it is not what someone who knows their way around Shanghai would go for'

Unfortunately, I am not the one who knows his way around Shanghai because I have never been there and I have only one night so there is no time even to try learning my way.

Overpriced, maybe and I know that. IMHO paying a little bit more and be happy is much better to pay a little less and increase the risk of disappointment.

Criticizing Shanghai Guide is something and providing useful information is something else.

Mighty Spearsman suggestion about Hailang is something that I appreciate and go for, and besides shanghai. Happymassage. Com / massage-yellow-pages / massage-places / and Shanghai Guide site, where else can I find location map of saunas to decide and plan where to go and when to go.

I value any additional suggestion for example about Lotus sauna at Ambassador Hotel which has a good website.

Shanghai Guide
03-24-14, 18:16
When I was in Shanghai in March 2012, I was able to access both this site (ISG) and the shanghai-nightlife-guide. Com with no problem (and I was staying in a dorm at a government university). However, this can always change in an instant at the whim of the (communist) Chinese government.At the moment both sides (www.internationalsexguide.info [url] is not blocked in Mainland China, so should be no problem to check out that pages without VPN when you are in China.

Shanghai Guide
03-24-14, 18:31
Yes, I feel that Hailang is similar to Tang Dynasty and 1066. Hailang may be even more private than those other two sites, and it's certainly clean with quality girls to choose from.Tang Dynasty and 1066 are owned by the same guy than Jun Hao Sauna, but both are "better decorated" and more secure. Hailang is opened at least 6 years now, so the facility is not new, compared with the other more "shabby" and they don`t have the "special construction" for avoid customers to be catched with "trouser down". Tang Dynasty opened around 6 month ago, so the facility is new and they have a lot of "borders" to protect the customers. For example you can not get access to the sauna floor without they call the elevator. Inside they have "hidden doors" to the "session rooms", so nearly impossible that anyone can find you in a raid fast enough to avoid you leave the sauna incognito. Both Saunas (1066 and Tang Dynasty) provide lockers in the "session room", so no public shower or public undressing or "group shower". If privacy is important for you, than both should be better than Hailang. But 1066 most time have less girls selection than Jun Hao or Tang Dynasty, so if a big selection is important for you, than better go to Tang Dynasty or Hai Lang. There is another Sauna you can check out if selection is most important point: Hong Song Sauna. They are famous for a huge selection of top girls, but the rate is higher (980 for 60 minutes) and it is said, that the service is very mechanical sometimes.

Persian Fellow
03-25-14, 14:00
Tang Dynasty and 1066 are owned by the same guy than Jun Hao Sauna etc.To the point, informative and up to date so now I know what to do.

Fellow

Mecha Pilot
03-25-14, 19:00
More about the warning at the end. First my report. Everytime I am in Shanghai (about once a year for the last 5 years) I go to Si Yuan Massage as the girls are usually at least OK looking, the service is good and the price is not too expensive. This time the girl I got was by far the best looking girl I have ever seen at Si Yuan. Easily a 8 or 9. In the line up she looked pretty. I was a bit worried and I don't normally ask the girl this but I enquired about her age. She said she looked younger than she looked. Her pubic hair down below was very fine and sparse. I would guess she would be no more than 19. She was number 833 in the line up if anyone is interested. Breasts were a good size (C size I think) and shapely.

She washed me thoroughly with soap and then with her tits and mouth. Enthusiastic nuru massage. Pretty good BBBJ and tried to make me come but I knew if I blew my load now that would be over, so I held it. On the bed she did the hot / cold thing and then onto the main deed. Couldn't hold on for long as she was so gorgeous and tight. Everything was good up to this point.

At the locker room I started to put on my clothes. First thing I noticed was that my wallet was in a different pocket. When I got to the counter to pay I noticed I was missing six hundred RMB from my wallet. When I go to any massage place I only take the massage fee plus 400 RMB. I told the manager that her staff had gone through my locker and stole some money. The only thing she kept saying was, did I have a credit card to pay their fee. She was not a bit concerned that someone had gone through my locker, she obviously knew about this happening. Only later did I think about what happened did I get very worried. Why did the thieves not take all my cash? Why did the manager kept insisting I use my credit card? I put a hold on my credit card and changed the pin number just in case. I suggest anyone going here just take enough to cover the massage fee and pay them before going to the lockers. And don't leave anything valuable in the lockers.

TomSf
03-25-14, 20:52
More about the warning at the end. First my report. Everytime I am in Shanghai (about once a year for the last 5 years) I go to Si Yuan Massage as the girls are usually at least OK looking, the service is good and the price is not too expensive. This time the girl I got was by far the best looking girl I have ever seen at Si Yuan. Easily a 8 or 9. In the line up she looked pretty. I was a bit worried and I don't normally ask the girl this but I enquired about her age. She said she looked younger than she looked. Her pubic hair down below was very fine and sparse. I would guess she would be no more than 19. She was number 833 in the line up if anyone is interested. Breasts were a good size (C size I think) and shapely.

She washed me thoroughly with soap and then with her tits and mouth. Enthusiastic nuru massage. Pretty good BBBJ and tried to make me come but I knew if I blew my load now that would be over, so I held it. On the bed she did the hot / cold thing and then onto the main deed. Couldn't hold on for long as she was so gorgeous and tight. Everything was good up to this point...Mecha Pilot,

Thanks for posting your experience. I am not surprised what happened to you. I am sure as soon as you complain their English gets non existent. I never feel safe putting all my stuff in a locker wallet ect. Especially in China when the staff has a habit of following you around the locker room. I would insist I take my wallet and if they give me problems I would just leave. I always leave my credit card in my hotel room or safe if I have one. If I get that stolen while I am in another country that is a problem.

AfternoonFun
03-26-14, 02:37
Hey guys,

Just passing through in Shanghai for 24 hours and I want to have some fun today. I read through most of the stuff but will ask anyway to be sure. Could you tell me where I can go (starting now, I know its early but not in my time zone) to have a nice girl? If anybody can tell me the price and recommend me a place where the girl go full house (anal, facial, etc.) that will be the best! Thanks a lot and have a great day!

Waldeck2
03-26-14, 03:46
In my 6th year in Shanghai in establishments that provide sexual pleasures for white guys. Never had an issue with thievery. Had some poor performances. Had some over priced sessions. Had some poor chemistry. Never followed a tout. Male or female. Have had many enjoyable sessions. Have had repeats with the same provider. No thievery in any sauna.

Ikksman
03-26-14, 03:47
[ S N I P ] At the locker room I started to put on my clothes. First thing I noticed was that my wallet was in a different pocket. When I got to the counter to pay I noticed I was missing six hundred RMB from my wallet. When I go to any massage place I only take the massage fee plus 400 RMB. I told the manager that her staff had gone through my locker and stole some money. The only thing she kept saying was, did I have a credit card to pay their fee. She was not a bit concerned that someone had gone through my locker, she obviously knew about this happening. Only later did I think about what happened did I get very worried. Why did the thieves not take all my cash? Why did the manager kept insisting I use my credit card? I put a hold on my credit card and changed the pin number just in case. I suggest anyone going here just take enough to cover the massage fee and pay them before going to the lockers. And don't leave anything valuable in the lockers.This sort of problem has been reported in this forum on a number of occasions previously. It is not limited to any one sauna or massage place, or city. And typically, they do not take all your money, often just 100 or 200 RMB. It is a risk that you need to take into account when visiting unfamiliar places. Obviously, it is impractical to take your wallet with when having your massage etc.

I suspect the manager just wanted you to pay and leave to get rid of the problem. I wonder what would have happened if you threatened to call the Police. The establishment could not accuse you of having sex there, or they themselves would have been immediately arrested. Of course you have no proof of the theft, but the threat of police might just help.

Another point of interest is that safes in hotel rooms are not safe. Most are easily opened with the right piece of simple equipment. Instances of this are not uncommon. I had a friend who had his laptop stolen out of the safe. The hotel, of course, denied all responsibility and said it was impossible. Credit cards can be secreted in your hotel room in places safer than the safe! I put my laptop in a concealed padded pocket of my large suitcase which has a secure lock and no zip which is able to be cut open with a blade (happened to me in 2011, somewhere during a wonderful flight from Panama-Caracas-Paris-Bangkok-HK).

Actually, having a credit card stolen is no real problem if you have a reputable provider (such as HSBC). Simply cancel the card and authorise the provider to cancel all transactions after a certain date/time. Then use another credit card until you get your new card (usually within 24-48 hours). Be aware that some credit card providers (such as China Merchant Bank) will not provide an immediate replacement and want to post you the new card. So it is important that you have a back up card.

My suggestion is to visit places (and hotels) that have good reputations. In this way you help minimise your risk.

Ixcee
03-26-14, 13:39
Dutch TV maker undercover.

Here you can see how massage is used to get you ripped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PePQLFM6Q


This sort of problem has been reported in this forum on a number of occasions previously. It is not limited to any one sauna or massage place, or city. And typically, they do not take all your money, often just 100 or 200 RMB. It is a risk that you need to take into account when visiting unfamiliar places. Obviously, it is impractical to take your wallet with when having your massage etc.

I suspect the manager just wanted you to pay and leave to get rid of the problem. I wonder what would have happened if you threatened to call the Police. The establishment could not accuse you of having sex there, or they themselves would have been immediately arrested. Of course you have no proof of the theft, but the threat of police might just help.

Another point of interest is that safes in hotel rooms are not safe. Most are easily opened with the right piece of simple equipment. Instances of this are not uncommon. I had a friend who had his laptop stolen out of the safe. The hotel, of course, denied all responsibility and said it was impossible. Credit cards can be secreted in your hotel room in places safer than the safe! I put my laptop in a concealed padded pocket of my large suitcase which has a secure lock and no zip which is able to be cut open with a blade (happened to me in 2011, somewhere during a wonderful flight from Panama-Caracas-Paris-Bangkok-HK).

Actually, having a credit card stolen is no real problem if you have a reputable provider (such as HSBC). Simply cancel the card and authorise the provider to cancel all transactions after a certain date / time. Then use another credit card until you get your new card (usually within 24-48 hours). Be aware that some credit card providers (such as China Merchant Bank) will not provide an immediate replacement and want to post you the new card. So it is important that you have a back up card.

My suggestion is to visit places (and hotels) that have good reputations. In this way you help minimise your risk.

AssLover945
03-26-14, 15:40
Dutch TV maker undercover.

Here you can see how massage is used to get you ripped.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1PePQLFM6QI didn't quite understand the last part, He signs the credit card for 18, 000++ yuan and then he goes out. Why does that lady in red jacket appear and what does she say? She returned 17000? I think I saw the customer's team talk to the card company? And they blocked the payment. Right? Then what happened?

Member #4643
03-26-14, 17:52
i was a bit worried about shanghai. first, it does not have a real mongering reputation, and secondly, there is a well publicized crack down underway. but for a casual mongerer like myself, it turned out ok.

when i arrived the other night, i was taking out cash from the atm at the hilton when a pretty 25-35ish women asks me if i want a massage, right in the lobby of the hotel. long and short of the story, the massage turns out to be a quick bbbj plus full bb sex: not gfe, but the bbbj was excellent, and the sex was only because i could have gone on with the bbbj another couple of hours. all in all, the experience was about 30 minutes, and set me back 600 rmb.

i then went to manhattan, and after taking my time, picked a pinay for the night at 1500. the night was excellent, and to my surprise, she actually fulfilled her promise to give me a bbbjtcim in the morning prior to leaving. this was a half hour effort on its own. she was a really nice girl, and the chemistry was excellent.

i had some girl friend sex the next night (4 times over a 20 h period with a 40 year old near-virgin. i don't mind pumping away in mish whenever i wish all night long, but i am too old to be teaching 40 year olds how to give a blow job, nor trying to convince them that there are other positions than mish). this was a tagged girl, looking for a husband. i enjoyed the sex for what it was, but i am not going to marry her. wives need to be able to give a blow job.

i left shanghai for a night and then returned for my last night. i went to the shanghai hotel behind the hilton. damn, i cannot believe i did not stay there!!! it would have been the perfect hotel. first off, there is a massage set up in the lobby at nights. a gorgeous woman stands there from about 6 pm on to sell you "massage with sex" for 600 rmb ("includes blow job no condom"). i guess the woman gives you a "massage" and a bbbj. always a nice way to start the evening. anyways, i did not take the lobby girl, but i did go to the sauna on the second floor. it was an interesting cultural experience.

first off, there is almost no english spoken. i had never been to a sauna, and had no idea how things worked. i paid for an hour and 40 minutes of something- not certain what. i undressed, with the help of two young men. its odd, in my view, to have a 20 yo guy help me off with my socks and boxer shorts. then i took a dip in the enormous hot tub until i was sweaty and a guy, mid 30s and muscular, motioned me out. he said something to me, and i ended up on a massage table. he had a wet towel and ladled some hot water on me and then rubbed me down very hard, essentially exfoliating my skin. he even showed me the epidermis which he had managed to separate from my body ( greyish plug). then i flipped and he did the front side. all the time, i am thinking,"did i go to a gay sauna? is this guy going to offer me a bj?" after exfoliating me, he rubbed me down in sea salt (little burn here) , and then took me to a shower. no gay sex was offered, but this little routine cost me 140 rmb. i guess this was an optional service. one that i did not appreciate, since rather than relax me, it had me very, very anxious that i had misread the board and needed to extricate myself. but, all is well that ends well- which it did!

i was then taken to a shower and after the shower the guys helped dry me (at this point, i was still uncertain about where everything was headed). then, a young man walked me to a room with about a dozen girls, all between 25 and 35, all with great tits in tight bikinis. i don't think any of them had natural tits, by the way, but i was sooooooo relieved that there were actually women on the menu, it hardly mattered.

i picked one, number 15, and she took me to a room with a shower table and a massage table. i took a shower table (i think i was already clean enough, but wtf) , and then she oiled me up and did a tit full body massage. now, my concern is that there is actually no sex offered, just rubbing and tits, perhaps because of the police crackdown. after about 10 minutes of this, i am moved to the massage table where similar massage techniques are employed, but there is no longer hot water. at this point, i figure i have to relax and enjoy the show. and, then everything changes!

she has a machine with hot water, and pours herself of cup of tea. she uses this tea to start sucking my nipples and (hallelujah) my penis. i get about a 15 minute hot bbbj, she slips on a condom and fucks me for 10 minutes until i come. then she spends 5 minutes washing my dick.

after the deed was done, i get a little massage, i take another shower, return to my locker room, where i am forced to tip the guys who helped me with my socks, pay 140 rmb for the skin scraping and sea salt rub and i am out! total bill: 780 rmb for the massage. 140 rmb for the scraping and 20 rmb to tip the guys who helped me dress. it was about 2 hours in total and cost about $150 usa. all in all an excellent experience, marred only by the fact that i do not speak a word of chinese, and hence i was confused about what was about to happen. if i did it again today, i would really enjoy myself a lot more (and i would skip the scraping- what a stupid idea!).

finally, i got back to my hotel and called an escort. she spoke great english, and we agreed upon 800 rmb for two hours. by the way, to get back to the hilton from the shanghai hotel required passing all sorts of opportunities- mostly people in the streets who were willing to send girls to my room. the escort arrives and its not the girl in the picture. she asks for 1800 rmb. i tell her to go and she says "sorry no english". she agrees to a lower number and then asks for 1000 rmb. i told her she could give me a quick bj and be gone for 500 rmb, and she asked for taxi (120 rmb). i gave her the taxi, which i should not have done since she was not the girl in the happymassagedotcom ad. but i was happy, in fact, to go to sleep at this point.

shanghai has lots of possibilities. more than enough to keep a guy active at night. maybe twice the price of bkk, but on the other hand, bkk was always more expensive in the end than i planned. and much less than the usa.

TomSf
03-26-14, 18:34
I was a bit worried about Shanghai. First, it does not have a real mongering reputation, and secondly, there is a well publicized crack down underway. But for a casual mongerer like myself, it turned out OK.

When I arrived the other night, I was taking out cash from the ATM at the Hilton when a pretty 25-35ish women asks me if I want a massage, Right in the lobby of the hotel. Long and short of the story, the massage turns out to be a quick BBBJ plus full BB sex: not GFE, but the BBBJ was excellent, and the sex was only because I could have gone on with the BBBJ another couple of hours. All in all, the experience was about 30 minutes, and set me back 600 RMB.

I then went to Manhattan, and after taking my time, picked a pinay for the night at 1500. The night was excellent, and to my surprise, she actually fulfilled her promise to give me a BBBJTCIM in the morning prior to leaving. This was a half hour effort on its own. She was a really nice girl, and the chemistry was excellent.

I had some girl friend sex the next night (4 times over a 20 h period with a 40 year old near-virgin. I don't mind pumping away in mish whenever I wish all night long, but I am too old to be teaching 40 year olds how to give a blow job, nor trying to convince them that there are other positions than mish). This was a Tagged girl, looking for a husband. I enjoyed the sex for what it was, but I am not going to marry her. Wives need to be able to give a blow job...Forest,

Great review! The girl in you hotel that you banged without a condom. Did she even attempt to pull out a condom? The thing that amazed me when I was in Shanghai is how easy it is to meet girls in the hotels there. I actually was getting escort cards laid everyday in front of my hotel door everyday by the same company. By the way the escort company you called. The way it works is some manager just calls the girl and she shows up spending her own money to get to your hotel. It is just common courtesy to give her the taxi money to get back home if you don't like her. The girls almost never look like their picture. It was not clear to me did she end up giving you that BJ for 500 plus taxi?

Ikksman
03-27-14, 00:54
[ S N I P ] Now if we are going to talk about stolen credit cards. Most guys carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. So using another card may not be an option. I also hide my extra cash and card in a special place in my personal belongings. Safes can be unreliable.It was only relatively recently that you asked (on another forum),"What does KTV mean?". And now you are posturing as a know it all expert on mongering in China, that has been to Chine 'many times'! ROTFLMAO.

By the way, only a total f*g idiot would carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. I don't do this anywhere in the world! And often, I don't even carry a wallet at all. Just a local debit card (CMB) and some RMB, even when I am just out food shopping.

And it was me who said that safes are not secure. Read my post!

Beijing4987
03-27-14, 01:11
=Ikksman.

Why not ignore the trolls and bullshitters in the forum, or use more irony to make them think about a foolish post. The ignore list is not perfect but it helps. Let's remain positive and share the good stuff here.

BJ.

1547614]It was only relatively recently that you asked (on another forum),"What does KTV mean?". And now you are posturing as a know it all expert on mongering in China, that has been to Chine 'many times'! ROTFLMAO.

By the way, only a total f*g idiot would carry all their credit cards in the same wallet. I don't do this anywhere in the world! And often, I don't even carry a wallet at all. Just a local debit card (CMB) and some RMB, even when I am just out food shopping.

And it was me who said that safes are not secure. Read my post![/QUOTE]

Nona
03-27-14, 06:00
Folks,

Had been to Shanghai during June of last year and had a good couple of sessions at Sarcosa. I read one of the recent posts indicating that Sarcosa is closed now. Can fellow mongers confirm this? May need to find another spot then for my upcoming visit.

Thanks,

Nona

WrinkleFree
03-27-14, 08:44
Last week I visited Shanghai for the 1st time and spent a total of 5 nights. I thought that I might try 4 saunas and one day to check out Manhattan's, but I ended up only going to 3 saunas. My only mongering experience is 6-7 Macau Saunas. 2 Macau "racetrack" girls and 2 bar girls in Pattaya- oh and an awful Bangkok escort experience.

Day 1 was to Ba Di Ya (aka Pattaya) which I wanted to try since the price seemed reasonable at the 700rmb for 70mins. Got there at about 7pm on a Saturday and passed through about 3 "security / look-out" guys on my way to the building. At night with the accent lighting against the building the place looks pretty nice, but inside the place is pretty old. It's more on the scale of a "2. 0-2. 5 star" place. Having been only to saunas in Macau this place is pretty shabby. However, Macau sauna prices these days are pretty outrageous. But I'm not a snob, so I don't really care about the decor as look as they have a good girl selection and it doesn't smell bad.

Escorted to the locker room which was empty, stripped down then walked over the the sauna / shower area past about 4 workers. Sauna area also totally empty. After showering I decided to take a dip in the hot pool and hung out there for about 5 mins when another foreigner (white guy) went into one of the shower stalls. I decided to head over to fish bowl so I could get the maximum selection without the competition. Ha ha. And I'm glad I did because there was only 6 girls and all were 5-6's on my hotness scale except for one who was a 7. 5 but she was a bit chubby. All the girls seemed under 28yo and most early 20s. The fishbowl itself is pretty small so I don't really see how they could get more than 12 girls in there comfortably so this place might not be for those looking for a big selection however YMMV as usual since it could be all the hot girls were eating dinner or already taken. But I don't really mind chubbier girls that as long as the boobs are real and they are not flabby. She turned out to be 19yo with a firm natural C cup with a very pretty face.

My Mandarin is pretty bad, but working in Taiwan has made it better than the average foreigner. She asked me about changing into some "costume" like a nurse or something but I really didn't understand so I just told her whatever- which she took as not change into anything. The room was small and lit with that horrible red light. As we stood there holding and fondling each other she went into her sales pitch about getting another girl. My Chinese is good enough to understand that it was 450rmb extra, but I was able to ask her if the "2nd girl" would be different from the fish bowl girls because I did not want any of those other girls. She said, yes it was a different girl who was 20yo, and much prettier, thinner and taller than her. I asked if I could if I could see the girl first but she either didn't want me too or didn't really understand me. Thinking with my smaller head, I said ok- hoping that she was get some goddess. She left and the other girl came and she was not in the line up and she was very thin, tall and probably only 6. 5 on my hotness scale. She was 20, and a small B cup.

Both girls were really friendly and we tried to communicate as best we could. They did there hot water kissing / licking massage and then then thinner good went to work on the BBBJ which she was really good at. I had not had a "pop" in about 4 days so in about 3-4 mins my first shot was a CIM.

They cleaned me up and then what seemed like only 5 mins they were back to work with the chubby one have her turn with the BBBJ which was not as good as her friend but after a few mins my little brother was ready to go. They got the condom and she got on top and went to work but I think she got tired doing all the work for several mins because she wanted to change positions. I like missionary so we switched but during the switch my little brother lost his power so I told them let's rest for a bit as we probably had about 40mins left. They did a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor massage and we tried chatting a bit and they both chatted together a little. After about 10 mins they asked if I wanted to try again and of course I agreed and the thin one when to the BBBJ and her skills were still amazing. She went for about 6-8 mins more and I got my 2nd CIM. We hung out there for another 15 mins until we got the call and we left.

Overall for two girls and 1150rmb I think the price is ok for the sevice I got. But I was expecting more of a selection of girls. I think if I had to do it all over again I probably wouldn't opt for 2 girls. I think I like the 1-on-1 situation personally. Also with the lack of selection with girls (which could have just been the time I went) and the shabby decor I left knowing that I would not return.

WrinkleFree
03-27-14, 09:04
2nd sauna trip:

Although I was planning on going to another Sauna the next day (Sunday) I just wasn't feeling up to it. I think I was tired from the night before and all the walking I had done earlier that day but I also was worried about going to another sauna with a poor selection. I think perhaps my expectations are just too high as I have been used to Macau saunas and their 15+ girls to select from. So having to do work Monday and Tuesday I didn't trek out to another sauna. Finally, on Wednesday night I decided to go to Tang Dynasty which was about 1 hour "door-to-door" using the metro. Arrived around 8pm and this place is really nice. Definitely a 4-5 star feel. I'm not sure if this place even has a sauna / spa since I didn't really search around the place. Here you are lead to our own little relaxing room which has a locker to put your stuff but stay full clothed. I was told to wait a minute and then was escorted with another dude to the fish bowl which is actually a very well lit stage that is huge and very high-class.

They had about 12-14 girls with a different price structure. (80mins).880rmb for most of the girls. 990 for the "blue" girl which I only saw one of and she was tall but not really attractive to me. And they had one "model" for 1080rmb and she was damn hot. I'd put her as a definite 9. (they also had a foreign girl perhaps from Russia or something, but I didn't inquire about her price) Most of the girls were in the 6-7 scale with one that was the 880rmb price that was a 8 (she was not too thin and had really nice C cup boobs and a very pretty face. It was me and another guy choosing and since there really was only one that I wanted I choose pretty quickly (#339 I think). If that girl was not there I might have had to take the model as I wasn't really attracted to the other girls.

So off to the room and she showed me a few of them which have "themes" I decided to pick the normal "hotel" style room with a huge circular bed and thankfully it had "normal" lighting and not that cheesy red light. Attached to the room is the shower/"leather" soapie bed.

So this place does the whole "soapie" massage routine with a bit of BBBJ. Very relaxing and she spent about 15-20mins with the soapie massage.

Off to the bed and she gets down to business and does more BBBJ and although she her technique is pretty darn good. Plus she is really hot and an amazing body. She does that for about 5-7 mins until I let go of my first shot. She didn't take it all in her mouth which is slightly disappointing but she has a really good attitude and super friendly so I forgave her quickly.

Cleaned up and she actually went out and came back with two "hot towels" for further cleaning / relaxation for my little brother and that felt fantastic! After relaxing for only about 5 mins or so and finding out she's 20yo and has been at this sauna for only 5 days she asked if we should keep going and although I'm hesitant that I can get up again that quickly I say "sure"!

Back to a BBBJ and after a few minutes I'm up to full 90% strength and she asks if I want to get the condom which I agree and I smartly start with missionary as I don't really like changing to a lot of different positions. This girl is tight and also super flexible. Did missionary for about 5 mins and I easily get my 2nd shot. I'm shocked. Haha. High-five!

Cleaned up a second time but without the hot towel service: (Chatted more and then we laid there watching TV. With 80min session and still around 30mins left I contemplated for about 10mins if it might be possible for a 3 shot. After about 10mins of watching TV I asked her to give it a try and she was fine with it. BBBJ got me up to 80% strength and after a few mins she asked if I wanted to continue with the BJ or go to sex and stupidly I opted for sex which meant precious seconds for her to locate another condom. By the time she got the condom on me I was down to 60% and by the time she got onto her back I was at 30. She tried to get him going with her hand but it was a no-go. I laughed and she took the condom off and I thought we might just lay there some more but she actually when right back to the BJ which got me a little hard again but I knew it was going to happen and I think she got the point and jokingly said my little brother is too tired. So she gave me a very weak massage and then off to shower.

Great experience there as she was extremely nice and gave amazing service. Staff there was also great and was curious about my Mandarin skills but for them they love when foreigner speak a bit of Chinese. I'd definitely go back and I probably should have come back here instead of going to a different sauna which I will recount in the next post.

Ikksman
03-27-14, 09:16
=Ikksman.

Why not ignore the trolls and bullshitters in the forum, or use more irony to make them think about a foolish post. The ignore list is not perfect but it helps. Let's remain positive and share the good stuff here.

BJ.Sound advice, although I think that irony is lost on these characters!

Cheers

WrinkleFree
03-27-14, 10:36
After my Wednesday night experience and the next day being my last, I thought I would not go to another sauna. However, I was able to get some extra time around 1pm and convinced myself to go out again. I was going to go back Tang Dynasty but thought perhaps it would be best to give another sauna a try so I went to Smart Hero sauna which I believe has the same owners since they have a similar price structure as Tang Dynasty. But theirs is slightly cheaper (by 100rmb) with it being 80mins for 780rmb for most girls then 880 (blue) and 990 for so-called models.

I got there about 1:30pm. Smart Hero is not very nice compared to Tang Dynasty but better than Ba the Yi. I would say it is on a 3 star scale. Here you change into sauna clothes right in the locker room then they lead you to a personal resting area where you can drink or eat something. I waited there a few mins and then a guy came in to take me to the fish bowl which is also like a "stage". There were only 7-8 girls and most were not my type at all. Only one cute girl that I would say is a 7-7. 5. She was short, thin and had a firm B cup. I didn't really have a choice because I needed to be in and out of this place in about 2hrs so I wasn't keen on waiting and seeing if cuter girls were available after 30mins.

As we walked up the stairs through the halls I saw two very hot girls and it made me more disappointed with my choice. I guess you can see how every situation is very "YMMV". Perhaps if I arrived at 1pm I might have had a much better selection. Oh well.

Into the room which was very similar to Tang Dynasty expect much older. Soapie room attached so got down to that and she was good at it, but took a really long time- 30mins+. Off to the bed and did a decent BBBJ and then to the condom. Probably lasted 10mins or so before my first shot.

This girl was nice but not super friendly like the girl from yesterday. After the clean up and only about 40-50mins into our session she starts asking about "extended time"- I guess it was to go for 2 hrs. Of course this is all in Chinese and I'm double confirming with her that the price is really 780RMB for 80mins and she says it is correct. This was very confusing because I saw what time we came in and we had plenty of time left. I mentioned it to her and see seemed surprised, but she believed me (this was about 4 mins of talking-not arguing just talking). Her attitude was never "bad" it just felt a bit weird and from that point forward I was a little disappointed. She went to do BBBJ again but after our little time-mix-up my little guy was just not feeling up to the task of a 2nd shot. So I told her she could just massage me which she happily did.

Not a great experience but not horrible. However, regret definitely set in and I wished I had gone back to Tang Dynasty.

Overall a fun time in Shanghai. Never tried a massage place although a saw a handful during my walk to my hotel at the Doubletree. Some of the door girls were pretty cute but didn't want to take a chance with getting an ugly one. Haha.

Mighty Spearsman
03-27-14, 16:14
Day 1 was to Ba Di Ya (aka Pattaya).

She went into her sales pitch about getting another girl. My Chinese is good enough to understand that it was 450rmb extra, but I was able to ask her if the "2nd girl" would be different from the fish bowl girls because I did not want any of those other girls. She said, yes it was a different girl who was 20yo, and much prettier, thinner and taller than her. I asked if I could if I could see the girl first but she either didn't want me too or didn't really understand me. Thinking with my smaller head, I said ok- hoping that she was get some goddess. She left and the other girl came and she was not in the line up and she was very thin, tall and probably only 6. 5 on my hotness scale. She was 20, and a small B cup.

Both girls were really friendly and we tried to communicate as best we could.Congrats on your three excellent reports about your spa visits! Thanks for taking the time to write them.

You probably don't know the answer to this question, but I'm curious. For your visit to Ba Di Ya (above) , why was the second (prettier) girl not in the line-up but was easily available as part of a twosome? My guesses include that she had been almost finished eating dinner when your line-up was called, or was in the toilet, or had just finished up with a customer, or that she'd already had a few customers that day and the line-up consisted of girls who hadn't had any customers that day (which would explain why your line-up consisted mostly of 5's and 6's). Unfortunately we'll probably never know for sure.

Pookgai
03-27-14, 16:36
Hi guys,

I'm back in Shanghai. I've read through past 24 pages but can't seem to find any information; can someone pm me or point me in the right direction of an escort for no more than 1500 for full sex, all night. Or an hour, or whatever really. I'm not familiar with prices and services on escorts here.

Your help appreciated.

Member #4643
03-27-14, 17:09
Forest,

Great review! The girl in you hotel that you banged without a condom. Did she even attempt to pull out a condom?No, or else I would have used a condom.


The thing that amazed me when I was in Shanghai is how easy it is to meet girls in the hotels there. I actually was getting escort cards laid everyday in front of my hotel door everyday by the same company. By the way the escort company you called. The way it works is some manager just calls the girl and she shows up spending her own money to get to your hotel. It is just common courtesy to give her the taxi money to get back home if you don't like her. The girls almost never look like their picture. It was not clear to me did she end up giving you that BJ for 500 plus taxi?No, I did not get the BJ, and I paid her the taxi money. I guess I was naive to think that the girl in the ad had a reasonable chance of showing up. However, the reason I sent her on her way was that I did not like her attitude; otherwise, I would have had sex with her.

Macrot
03-27-14, 18:11
There are many massage parlour there. Went in and check them out.

The price is RMB118 for normal oil massage. I get the special massage at RMB298. The service around 60 minutes and include :

1). Light finger scratching / roaming on whole body, concentrate on ball and penis.

2). Nose roaming and cat bath.

3)."triangle" massage. Meaning at crotch area.

4). HJ till cum

If pay another RMB100, will give extra service like jelly in mouth roaming. Did not try that.

Service provider wear cloth all time, constantly asking for tips if you want autoroaming etcc. Not good experience. Happy hunting!

Macrot out

Stegram
03-27-14, 18:37
Years ago I went to Golden 18 / JJ's Soapy spa a few times and the selection of girls was really really good.

That closed and I went to Bodi. Maybe 2010? And the selection was still great.

2012/2013 I went to Bodi a few times and the selection was substancially lower. WTF is going on? I wondered. Have all of the hot girls left the biz? NO, NOT true because I see some really hot girls that I pass in the hallway.

I think. That we foreigners and non-regulars are only being offered the lower end girls and the hot ones are being saved for the rich regulars. Because of this, I have stopped going to Bodi. From reports I believe that other Saunas are the same. If I were to decide to revisit Bodi, I think I would keep a 100 rmb bill or two in my palm, and when I was led to the relaxing room, I would pull the guide with the suit aside and tell him I would like a better selection this time and hand him the bribe.

Otwin
03-27-14, 23:07
I've been visiting Shanghai for several times, never went to the saunas, always preferred massage parlors. Tried some in the city, but always returned to the very special one in Wuyi Road / junction Kaixuan Road.

It's not far away from Zhongshan Park Station, south of Renaissance Hotel. You'll find there, directly at the junction, mentioned above, three or four massage salons next to each other. The price for 60 min is about 150 rmb. In some of the salons, some nicely dressed up girls are waiting for customers. Facing the shops, the very right one, you will pay 130 rmb for a 5 minute rub, before the girl asks you for some tip (I gave her 200 rmb). Thatfore I was able to touch her everywhere, to lick her tits and she did some nice noise, while shaking my best friend. Was fun.

The one, I recommend most, and the one I am visiting for years, already, is the one in the middle. You have to walk up a slim stairway to the first floor. The price is 155 rmb. The girls are not the cutest, but their hands are a pleasure for your body. First you have to take a shower. The massage lasts about 20 minutes. While she rubs your back, she slips down to your ass, and then she begins to play with all the things, that hang between your legs. Great ballmassage, great HJ. After a while you have to flip around. She continues to massage your best part. Be nice and friendly to the girl. I always was. And I always was allowed to touch her, to touch her tits and to move my hand under her skirt (and deeper).

The best of it: No extra money to be paid for. It's all included. Nevertheless I tip them (20-50 rmb).

Please be nice, there. All the years it was my little hidden place. But as I got so many information in this forum, I guess I owe you a favour.

For all the cheap-money-fuckers out there, I've got another recommendation. Coming soon.

Otwin
03-27-14, 23:17
At the east side of West Yan'an Road Station you'll find a very dark street called Zhaohua Road. Here the Chinese people live and work. You won't find any tourists here. But you will find, at the western side of the street, some hidden barber shops, with girls sitting and waiting for customers. The price is about 200rmb. The area and the rooms are dark and not very clean. But for a quick job, it's a bargain, I guess.

Have fun.

SamCan
03-28-14, 03:01
In the Alley next to the Hilton, there are 3 MPs. Two of them are HJ places. The first is royal Massage, they want 300 for massage and HJ or 450 for Massage, HJ and touching. The girl lowers her blouse and lets you touch and kiss her chest. The rooms have a mirror on the wall which makes it fun to watch her and you when you are having fun. 450 may sound like a lot but there is no tipping. Most of you are probably hitting close to that with Tip anyway. There are showers but no blue pants. I just laid down naked. The shower had a bulb out when I used the shower. A little shady. LaLa was the girl I had. She was pretty and it was an ok time.

The other place is Animate Massage! There are a number of girls there, tiny little spinners. I like" Ching ching". She is a tiny little thing. She gives a decent massage but is a master storker. She lets you kiss her chest and play with her small breasts. The massage is 178 and the tip was 150. The rooms are clean but nothing special. There are no showers but since I am at the hilton, it isn't bad. There are a lot of other girls there so take your pick. A place I have repeated a few times.

WrinkleFree
03-28-14, 04:13
Congrats on your three excellent reports about your spa visits! Thanks for taking the time to write them.

You probably don't know the answer to this question, but I'm curious. For your visit to Ba Di Ya (above) , why was the second (prettier) girl not in the line-up but was easily available as part of a twosome? My guesses include that she had been almost finished eating dinner when your line-up was called, or was in the toilet, or had just finished up with a customer, or that she'd already had a few customers that day and the line-up consisted of girls who hadn't had any customers that day (which would explain why your line-up consisted mostly of 5's and 6's). Unfortunately we'll probably never know for sure.It's possible it was dinner time / slow time for them because walking through the sauna they were cleaning different parts of the floors. Also that sauna might have been slightly disorganized because when I got to the fishbowl only 4 girls were there and within 30 seconds other girls came in (including the girl I picked). It's possible that even more girls would have come from downstairs because after I picked my girl and started walking I did see other girls coming up but not sure if they would have been in the lineup or not. Unfortunately one would never know for sure.

Out of the three places I visited, Tang Dynasty was the most organized and the fishbowl was all full and ready to go when I stepped up. Even Smart Hero there were girls coming in late to the lineup after I stood there for a minute or so. These saunas need to preach punctuality!

Masslin
03-28-14, 06:18
Hi guys,

I'm back in Shanghai. I've read through past 24 pages but can't seem to find any information; can someone pm me or point me in the right direction of an escort for no more than 1500 for full sex, all night. Or an hour, or whatever really. I'm not familiar with prices and services on escorts here. Your help appreciated.Beverly Jones, Cathy, Sunny Pei. Google "shanghai escort + name".

Levitian
03-28-14, 10:48
Hi guys,

I'm back in Shanghai. I've read through past 24 pages but can't seem to find any information; can someone pm me or point me in the right direction of an escort for no more than 1500 for full sex, all night. Or an hour, or whatever really. I'm not familiar with prices and services on escorts here. Your help appreciated.Search the Shanghai Nightlife webpage, or look into www.raininshanghai.com

Lev

Shanghai Guide
03-28-14, 16:07
Congrats on your three excellent reports about your spa visits! Thanks for taking the time to write them.

You probably don't know the answer to this question, but I'm curious. For your visit to Ba Di Ya (above) , why was the second (prettier) girl not in the line-up but was easily available as part of a twosome? My guesses include that she had been almost finished eating dinner when your line-up was called, or was in the toilet, or had just finished up with a customer, or that she'd already had a few customers that day and the line-up consisted of girls who hadn't had any customers that day (which would explain why your line-up consisted mostly of 5's and 6's). Unfortunately we'll probably never know for sure.You will never see all the girls in a lineup. Some are busy with customers, some on the toilet, have a rest or take some food. On a busy day, there will be around 40 to 50 girls in a average sauna, but a lineup will never have more than 20 to 30 girls. So if I am there with customers and we don`t like the lineup, we just ask for another one. Than most time need 10 to 30 minutes and you will have a totally different selection.

Ringer5
03-29-14, 01:44
At the locker room I started to put on my clothes. First thing I noticed was that my wallet was in a different pocket. When I got to the counter to pay I noticed I was missing six hundred RMB from my wallet. When I go to any massage place I only take the massage fee plus 400 RMB. I told the manager that her staff had gone through my locker and stole some money. The only thing she kept saying was, did I have a credit card to pay their fee. She was not a bit concerned that someone had gone through my locker, she obviously knew about this happening. Only later did I think about what happened did I get very worried. Why did the thieves not take all my cash? Why did the manager kept insisting I use my credit card? I put a hold on my credit card and changed the pin number just in case. I suggest anyone going here just take enough to cover the massage fee and pay them before going to the lockers. And don't leave anything valuable in the lockers.It's possible they took just enough to force you to use your credit card, wanting to get your card details and PIN during the transaction. I've never lost anything from the locker room in a sauna, but there was one place where I gave the cashier the right number of 100 bills and she counted them out as one short. I was prepared to accept I'd made a mistake, but the next time at the same place it happened again, so now I always count them out myself in front of the staff.

Ikksman
03-29-14, 03:11
It's possible they took just enough to force you to use your credit card, wanting to get your card details and PIN during the transaction. I've never lost anything from the locker room in a sauna, but there was one place where I gave the cashier the right number of 100 bills and she counted them out as one short. I was prepared to accept I'd made a mistake, but the next time at the same place it happened again, so now I always count them out myself in front of the staff.Good point about the credit card. I had not thought of that! Definitely possible! And very wise advice about counting out the RMB on the 'counter'!

A good friend of mine was staying in HK with his wife, and took a quick trip to Shenzhen with business colleagues. I understand he paid for his sauna / massage services on his credit card. At 6:00am the next morning his bank rang him and asked him if the transaction was fraudulent. He had the phone on speakerphone and his wife heard the conversation!

The ANZ bank (Australia) looks for dubious credit card transactions, and checks suspicious ones by phone with the cardholder! This transaction was flagged as suspicious because the guy had never had any China transactions before. A good service, but embarrassing in this case!

Optional
03-29-14, 16:23
Hi all,

So I went to the Nanjing Xi Lu Fake Market Spa a couple weeks ago, really had a good time with one of the girls there. Got her info. Sent her a message asking if she was working tomorrow, and she said she was taking some time off, but that I could come over to her apartment. Seems cool, though I'm not sure if she means she's "working from home" or if we will just be hanging out. Either way, my question is. Do you guys think this is safe? Or is this a common scam and will there be thugs waiting for me in her apartment asking me to give them all my money? I realize this varies greatly on a case-by-case basis, but just wondering if any of you have any horror stories of going to a massage girls' home.

Thanks,

And wish me luck!

MountainMan54
03-30-14, 04:07
Any information on the Spa at the Greenland Jiulong Hotel in Shanghai?

Thanks

Art Shanghai
03-30-14, 10:34
If you get a fapio at a sauna you will notice that almost all of them (especially the ones discussed in this forum) will list the charge as a restaurant charge. This is for expensing reasons. So if your credit card calls, it is very unlikely that it will say something like "sauna sex services".


Good point about the credit card. I had not thought of that! Definitely possible! And very wise advice about counting out the RMB on the 'counter'!

A good friend of mine was staying in HK with his wife, and took a quick trip to Shenzhen with business colleagues. I understand he paid for his sauna / massage services on his credit card. At 6:00am the next morning his bank rang him and asked him if the transaction was fraudulent. He had the phone on speakerphone and his wife heard the conversation!

The ANZ bank (Australia) looks for dubious credit card transactions, and checks suspicious ones by phone with the cardholder! This transaction was flagged as suspicious because the guy had never had any China transactions before. A good service, but embarrassing in this case!

SamCan
03-30-14, 12:46
Hi all,

So I went to the Nanjing Xi Lu Fake Market Spa a couple weeks ago, really had a good time with one of the girls there. Got her info. Sent her a message asking if she was working tomorrow, and she said she was taking some time off, but that I could come over to her apartment. Seems cool, though I'm not sure if she means she's "working from home" or if we will just be hanging out. Either way, my question is. Do you guys think this is safe? Or is this a common scam and will there be thugs waiting for me in her apartment asking me to give them all my money? I realize this varies greatly on a case-by-case basis, but just wondering if any of you have any horror stories of going to a massage girls' home.

Thanks,

And wish me luck!It sounds like she is freelancing. She will want you to pay her. Remember, you pay about 800-900 to a spa and the girl gets much less (a 1/3? I don't remember). Anyway, if she can doyou at her apartment, she can make more money. She will charge you a little less and still make money. A win for both of you. I would think it would be ok unless other brothers have bad experiences. I would not carry any credit cards and limit the RMB on my to 1000 or so. (in case you both go out for lunch).

If she likes you and this is a "freebie" let me just warn you. Nothing gets more expensive than a freebie if you are not careful. You fall for the girl and she falls for your wallet."buy me this, buy me that." This goes on until you are broke or the bigger head smartens up. Don't ask me how I know.

There is a saying i read many years ago. ...."Don't ever fall for a working girl..... so true"

Marty47
03-30-14, 15:43
Anybody got any information on the Lotus club in Pudong, located on Pujian lu and S. Pudong lu, across from Sheraton.

Mighty Spearsman
03-30-14, 16:16
It sounds like she is freelancing. She will want you to pay her. Remember, you pay about 800-900 to a spa and the girl gets much less (a 1/3? I don't remember). Anyway, if she can doyou at her apartment, she can make more money. She will charge you a little less and still make money. A win for both of you. I would think it would be ok unless other brothers have bad experiences. I would not carry any credit cards and limit the RMB on my to 1000 or so. (in case you both go out for lunch).

If she likes you and this is a "freebie" let me just warn you. Nothing gets more expensive than a freebie if you are not careful. You fall for the girl and she falls for your wallet."buy me this, buy me that." This goes on until you are broke or the bigger head smartens up. Don't ask me how I know.

There is a saying I read many years ago."Don't ever fall for a working girl. So true"Dear Optional,

I support SamCan's advice 100 %, in particular the point to carry only 1, 000 RMB cash and no credit cards. Better yet, split your cash and keep it partially in your wallet and partially elsewhere (pocket? Sock? Money belt?) , in the unlikely event that it is a scam (although I doubt if it is a scam).

Another idea is to keep your passport at your hotel and bring only a photocopy of the face page. The less you have on you, the less there is that can be stolen / lost.

When reading the comments about expensive freebies, I'm reminded of the famous story back in the 1990s when it was revealed that the younger, handsome movie star Charlie Sheen was paying hookers $1, 000 or more to have sex with him. When Charlie was asked why he was paying for sex when he could easily get it for free, his reply was "I don't pay the girls to have sex with me, I pay them to leave afterwards." Point well taken!

Ice Dragon
03-30-14, 17:43
Nothing gets more expensive than a freebie if you are not careful. You fall for the girl and she falls for your wallet."buy me this, buy me that."So true, a few weeks ago, tied up via wechat with a nice factory worker, lunch & KTV with her sister etc, then finally dinner alone, took me into the neighbouring jewelry store and selected a nice gold bracelet, and with soulful eyes explained she couldn't quite afford it at. 14k rmb. Ah well, some you win.

Ice

SamCan
03-30-14, 20:25
Dear Optional,

When reading the comments about expensive freebies, I'm reminded of the famous story back in the 1990s when it was revealed that the younger, handsome movie star Charlie Sheen was paying hookers $1, 000 or more to have sex with him. When Charlie was asked why he was paying for sex when he could easily get it for free, his reply was "I don't pay the girls to have sex with me, I pay them to leave afterwards." Point well taken!So true! I remember when it was nearing the end with my particular girlfriend. Yes, I looked forward to getting to shanghai to have sex with this girl 28 years younger than me. The problem was I stayed a week and she moved in with me for the week. I was ready for her to leave by the second night! When you work all day and your Massage girl girlfriend gets off work at 2am it makes a long day!

Ikksman
03-30-14, 22:51
So true! I remember when it was nearing the end with my particular girlfriend. Yes, I looked forward to getting to shanghai to have sex with this girl 28 years younger than me. The problem was I stayed a week and she moved in with me for the week. I was ready for her to leave by the second night! When you work all day and your Massage girl girlfriend gets off work at 2am it makes a long day!You can only do this when you are young and fit. Nearly forty years ago I did this for about six months with a hostess at the New Latin Quarter inghtclub in Akasaka Mitsuke (Tokyo)! Then had to get to work by 9:00am! Not any more!

Cheers

SamCan
03-30-14, 23:17
You can only do this when you are young and fit. Nearly forty years ago I did this for about six months with a hostess at the New Latin Quarter inghtclub in Akasaka Mitsuke (Tokyo)! Then had to get to work by 9:00am! Not any more!

CheersOr Old and Horny! I did it for a year back and forth to Shanghai. Catching 4 hours sleep before she got home kept me going. It was the head games and always wanting more and more expensive gifts killed it. She killed the golden goose! She still occassionaly calls and tells me no boyfriend has loved me as much as her. (read that as gives her as many expen$I've gifts)

Ikksman
03-31-14, 01:38
Or Old and Horny! I did it for a year back and forth to Shanghai. Catching 4 hours sleep before she got home kept me going. It was the head games and always wanting more and more expensive gifts killed it. She killed the golden goose! She still occassionaly calls and tells me no boyfriend has loved me as much as her. (read that as gives her as many expen$I've gifts)Some girls only call you and tell you they miss you when they need something or some money. Refusal doesn't stop them; in another 6 months they will send you another text!
I had one like that who only stopped after 4 years when I told her I was married! And the only thing that I had ever bought her was some cheap clothing in Dongmen. But she did have an endearing habit of squeezing her forefinger and thumb together as tight as possible and pointing at her mei mei. And then use thumb and forefinger of both hands creating a huge circumference and pointing at my little brother.

Cheers

Masslin
03-31-14, 07:36
Folks,

Had been to Shanghai during June of last year and had a good couple of sessions at Sarcosa. I read one of the recent posts indicating that Sarcosa is closed now. Can fellow mongers confirm this? May need to find another spot then for my upcoming visit.

Thanks,

NonaI called the number of the manager, Sarcosa is open now, but they did not tell me the charge.


Anybody got any information on the Lotus club in Pudong, located on Pujian lu and S. Pudong lu, across from Sheraton.I don't find any MP or sauna called He Hua (lotus) on Pujian lu and S. Pudong lu on the Baidu map. Maybe the Lotus club just opened.


Any information on the Spa at the Greenland Jiulong Hotel in Shanghai?

ThanksNever heard this spa at this hotel, there's a MP called Yu Lin Qin Yuan offered special service near to this hotel. You can give it a try.

Address: 1 Bao An Road, Hongkou District.

Ice Dragon
03-31-14, 07:58
Guys,

Anything known about the Golden Dragon bar very near the Camel bar in Weifang Lu.

Looks a bit sleazy to me, but a nice lady invited me there via WeChat.

Ice

Wordsofwisdom
03-31-14, 12:38
I often quietly read the forum and wonder if I live in the same Shanghai as some other guys that post here. Posts about Manhattans, saunas and such all at hugely inflated Laowai prices. I speak reasonable Chinese and can get a 2 hour massage with hand job for 80 rmb with hot girls in 20's. If I want take out then I privately arrange with the girl for about 300 rmb. I live in Pudong and although there's not as much action as in Puxi, it is less pressured and easier to build a relationship with the girls. I chat on weixin in Chinese and had 4 freebies in a week until my regular girlfriend returned and I had to slow down.

My point gentlemen is that there is no great victory in screwing a hooker. The challenge is in my humble opinion with both the price and quality. It's difficult to get both together with seasoned international hookers and so I don't waste my time with them. The odd occasion when chatting to the girls at massage draws a blank is treated simply as free Chinese.

Think out the box!

BionicMan
03-31-14, 17:23
I often quietly read the forum and wonder if I live in the same Shanghai as some other guys that post here. Posts about Manhattans, saunas and such all at hugely inflated Laowai prices. Think out the box!Fair enough but as many only occasionally visit Shangai and for a few days they have to make a living with what they can put together in those few days (or hours as often only the night hours are "free")

So, as much as some places have Laowai inflated prices those are the places where the visitor / traveller can get some action.

Stegram
03-31-14, 18:24
My point gentlemen is that there is no great victory in screwing a hooker. The challenge is in my humble opinion with both the price and quality.Some of us making a living in USD or Euros don't really want to spend the effort to meet your challenge. Our great victories are won at home via our careers and landing a hot 23yo willling to do pervy things with us for what at home is a meager amount is the spoils of winning the real challenge. Not the challenge itself.

BionicMan
04-01-14, 03:07
I often quietly read the forum and wonder if I live in the same Shanghai as some other guys that post here. My point gentlemen is that there is no great victory in screwing a hooker. The challenge is in my humble opinion with both the price and quality. It's difficult to get both together with seasoned international hookers and so I don't waste my time with them. The odd occasion when chatting to the girls at massage draws a blank is treated simply as free Chinese.Anyhow, thanks for your precious words. A lot to learn from them.

By the way. What are you doing on this forum of perverted people having the habit to pay for girls so they come to bed with them?

Canyon
04-01-14, 07:08
Can anyone recommend a female college student or recent graduate to show me around Shanghai? Also, are extra benefits available?

Fuzimiao
04-01-14, 08:59
Good point about the credit card. I had not thought of that! Definitely possible! And very wise advice about counting out the RMB on the 'counter'!

A good friend of mine was staying in HK with his wife, and took a quick trip to Shenzhen with business colleagues. I understand he paid for his sauna / massage services on his credit card. At 6:00am the next morning his bank rang him and asked him if the transaction was fraudulent. He had the phone on speakerphone and his wife heard the conversation!

The ANZ bank (Australia) looks for dubious credit card transactions, and checks suspicious ones by phone with the cardholder! This transaction was flagged as suspicious because the guy had never had any China transactions before. A good service, but embarrassing in this case!Rather foolish to use the speakerphone, I never do!

Fz

StinkyFeet
04-01-14, 13:07
Anyhow, thanks for your precious words. A lot to learn from them.

By the way. What are you doing on this forum of perverted people having the habit to pay for girls so they come to bed with them?You misunderstand my fellow frugal friend. He never focused about freebies. He is taking about paying the ladies as close to market price. Paying 2000-3000 is fine so long it equates to a fine lady. If your going to slam a auntie than price should reflect it.

Member #4689
04-01-14, 20:23
I often quietly read the forum and wonder if I live in the same Shanghai as some other guys that post here. Posts about Manhattans, saunas and such all at hugely inflated Laowai prices. I speak reasonable Chinese and can get a 2 hour massage with hand job for 80 rmb with hot girls in 20's. If I want take out then I privately arrange with the girl for about 300 rmb. I live in Pudong and although there's not as much action as in Puxi, it is less pressured and easier to build a relationship with the girls. I chat on weixin in Chinese and had 4 freebies in a week until my regular girlfriend returned and I had to slow down.Where in Pudong can we still get a RMB 80 HJ service, please enlighten me. Thanks!

Ikksman
04-01-14, 23:02
[ S N I P ]

My point gentlemen is that there is no great victory in screwing a hooker. The challenge is in my humble opinion with both the price and quality. It's difficult to get both together with seasoned international hookers and so I don't waste my time with them. The odd occasion when chatting to the girls at massage draws a blank is treated simply as free Chinese.They may be words of wisdom, but what use are they when they are unintelligible to the average person? I cannot understand the last sentence, even in context with the rest of the paragraph. I certainly have not wasted hours parsing, analysing and attempting to decode its meaning, but I should not have to!

Cheers

Beijing4987
04-02-14, 02:11
Friends.

We have a function to ignore anything BS. When I click on a thread I do not wish to see comments from those seeking to get into a pissing match. Just give me the info. Cheap or expensive. Just share and be accurate about where to find it. Please.

BJ.

]They may be words of wisdom, but what use are they when they are unintelligible to the average person? I cannot understand the last sentence, even in context with the rest of the paragraph. I certainly have not wasted hours parsing, analysing and attempting to decode its meaning, but I should not have to!

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Apple Court
04-02-14, 04:35
Guys,

Anything known about the Golden Dragon bar very near the Camel bar in Weifang Lu.

Looks a bit sleazy to me, but a nice lady invited me there via WeChat.

IceOther than Camel and Red Lion, the other bars on that street are the girlie type that will quickly drain your wallet with no result.