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TomSf
12-26-14, 23:57
Disappointing end to what could have been an awesome session. Siyuan has been one of my favourites but I'm not so sure now. Basically, the condom broke and the girl freaked out. No happy ending for me and on top of that a fine of 100 rmb! Plus the indignity of dirty looks from the manager and counter staff. These laowai's with their big dicks. Really must remember to bring my own condoms. New year's resolution.

TMYou should have paid the fine. Many guys try on purpose to break the condom or bring their own condoms that they have tampered with. The place has to give the girl a little extra to keep them staying their and not quit. You have a regular place that you feel safe at. I would have paid said sorry and left. You risked the girl health and life so for 100 RMB its nothing. Its also nothing compared to a beat down.

Waldeck2
12-27-14, 01:41
My experience has been that broken condoms have not not been an issue. If, IF, there is chemistry, bare is possible. Not with great regularity, but it can be good, very, very very good. If she insists on a condom, I don't repeat. OK. Call the morality police! I had a vasectomy years ago and I get a VD report once a year. In the US. Really good fucking!

BionicMan
12-27-14, 03:14
My experience has been that broken condoms have not not been an issue. If, IF, there is chemistry, bare is possible. Not with great regularity, but it can be good, very, very very good. If she insists on a condom, I don't repeat. OK. Call the morality police! I had a vasectomy years ago and I get a VD report once a year. In the US. Really good fucking!No moral police here, but it is not chemistry making you safe in a BBFS. It is about how safe and VD / HIV free were the previous customers.

The chemistry can give you a feeling on how she behaves, but not on her health.

Regular check can make you feel comfortable you have been lucky so far, but will not even tell you if you got something in the weeks before the test itself.

With this in mind each one can then take his own risk, and extend the risk to the next girl.

Ikksman
12-27-14, 09:01
You should have paid the fine.He wrote that he paid the fine.


Many guys try on purpose to break the condom or bring their own condoms that they have tampered with.Some Chinese brand condoms break very easily. I have had a girl break 2 of them just trying to put them on me. I then made her use one of my polyurethane Okamotos which are extremely thin but strong.


The place has to give the girl a little extra to keep them staying their and not quit.You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).


You have a regular place that you feel safe at. I would have paid said sorry and left. You risked the girl health and life so for 100 RMB its nothing. Its also nothing compared to a beat down.He did not risk the girl's health. She risked his health. And again, he paid the 100 RMB (under duress) that they levied because they classified him as a newbie.

Ikksman.

Lao Ma
12-27-14, 10:45
No moral police here, but it is not chemistry making you safe in a BBFS. It is about how safe and VD / HIV free were the previous customers.

The chemistry can give you a feeling on how she behaves, but not on her health.

Regular check can make you feel comfortable you have been lucky so far, but will not even tell you if you got something in the weeks before the test itself.

With this in mind each one can then take his own risk, and extend the risk to the next girl.Do you really think you are telling him anything he doesn't know and hasn't heard hundreds of times?

Braquo
12-27-14, 10:46
Yeah, I did complain, argued with the manager, but he brought in two extra security guys and the situation got a little intimidating. I decided just to pay, go and not come back.By the way, do you remember the girl number?

It may be good to avoid her.

Fuzimiao
12-27-14, 11:49
You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

Ikksman.The girls have a regular check up, 100 rmb will pay for an intermediate check up at the clinic, which is fact the neighbour to Siyuan, in Laoshan Lu.

Brooklyn Cyclone
12-28-14, 03:50
Foreign KTV girls? You expect western girls? Than I am afraid no chance, at least I not found a club yet who provided western KTV girls. If Korean or Japanese girls are what you are looking for, than much more easy, but for club with pretty ones you will not go out with less than 1000 to 1500 RMB sitting fee (no extra service included). So from my point of view not really a good deal.I have been to KTV with some Russian girls. Quality not good and not pleasant. Much better off with young good looking Chinese girls.

Brooklyn Cyclone
12-28-14, 03:55
If you join and can receive a PM I can give you advice. Talking openly about FS at these places may cause LE to shut them down.

Sorry for the double post but I was also wondering if there are any cheaper barbershop alternatives near the same area in Jin'an. I can do without the whole shower and massage routine and would rather go somewhere where FS is offered straight up.

Thanks Sam for the tips.BBS usually environment is not good. Decent ones put a disposable sheet over bed. That's about it. Girls don't shower after each customer. If you are prepared, pm me and I can tell you some BBS nearby.

Brooklyn Cyclone
12-28-14, 04:05
Not really sure, what you are looking for? Could be it's a "wording" problem? You will not find something called "parlor" in Shanghai. You have massage places, but no 90 sex sessions there. I know some massage parlors, where you pay around 400 for 30 minutes, than you habe Barbershops (BBS), but there it's cheap and fast, so also not matched to your requirement. The only place where you can get 90 minutes sessions will be a sauna or spa location, and here the budget will be around 650 to 1000, so that will matched most to your request. But who told you they aren't as great, and as great as what?Are their any reliable in call service providers in sh? I know about sauna, BBS, KTV. But once in a while in call service is nice.

ShanghaiNemo
12-28-14, 16:03
So, yesterday I went there, booking the famous and 18.. And I really find wired. In the room I had a short fat a/b cup middle age with big but flat ass. And she didn t provide Bj, and for a Fs the quotation 500rmb…

1 - First possibility: they cheat me.

2- Second one: The so famous 18 change shop or number.

3- Third one: My standard is maybe too high.

I was in that shop already 3 times. And really not so happy.

Tonight I ll go around my old area in Gubei, I got new location of some gems back on duty.

However BoB, Dudes and Fellas. Happy Christmas and happy new year.

SamCan
12-28-14, 19:03
So, yesterday I went there, booking the famous and 18.. And I really find wired. In the room I had a short fat a/b cup middle age with big but flat ass. And she didn t provide Bj, and for a Fs the quotation 500rmb

1 - First possibility: they cheat me.

2- Second one: The so famous 18 change shop or number.

3- .Your answer is above.

18 is out of town. She is mid to late 20's. No fat ass, smaller chest but not terribly small. My standards are high and she meets them.

Sam.

TomSf
12-29-14, 01:06
He wrote that he paid the fine.

Some Chinese brand condoms break very easily. I have had a girl break 2 of them just trying to put them on me. I then made her use one of my polyurethane Okamotos which are extremely thin but strong.

You are extremely naive if you think that the girl received any of the 100 RMB. In all probability, she was likely also fined (just another way to extract money from the poor WGs).

He did not risk the girl's health. She risked his health. And again, he paid the 100 RMB (under duress) that they levied because they classified him as a newbie.

Ikksman.Ikks,

Once again you nit pick conversations trying to find something to complain about. He wrote he paid the 100 RMB so that is not the question. I wrote he should pay because the girl was put at extra risk. But, no one knows her health status so it is possible he was the one at risk. That is a coin toss. When you write " She risked his health? You are assuming the customer is clean. Only his doctor knows and you do not know his health status.

Regarding condoms if you are a tourist and have access to good condoms. You should be bringing your own condoms. I am not a fan of Asian condoms because many are weakly made.

China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.

Faceless78
12-29-14, 01:42
For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK, DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.

Lao Ma
12-29-14, 04:44
For you guys who want to find escorts in Shanghai, you may PM me. I stayed there for 2 years, and found one good reliable agency, who has list of over 100 girls, from students, office lady, models even small tv movie stars. This was the best one I found through hard work and luck!

Before you start to gain interest, I'll explain a little bit for you.

Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK, DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.

As an example for you, I picked several girls from 2000-5000 before, and my favorite was one 22 girl who has a Japan background. She's 4 K, agence takes 1 k, so the money went to her was 3 k. I usually visited her for 2 hours with 4. 5 k. And last month I check she's still on the clock.

At last, I don't have any relations with this agency, actually I have left Shanghai, and spent my past years in Paris. So now I'm exploring the wonderland of europe, and just accidentally entered this one.I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?

Braquo
12-29-14, 08:20
Today I paid a visit to Royal Spring sauna and booked their model girl, S1. Announced price: 1880 RMB / hour.

For the location, it is already well known, nearby the fake market on Nanjin Rd.

As for the girl, obviously the pictures are much better than in real life. I did not ask for her age and I'm not sure about her name (we exchanged wechat contacts).

Stats:

Occupation: Model.

Height: 1,70 m at least.

Weight: 45 kg I guess, very thin.

Breast: A, with big nipples.

Body: very thin, no fat (one little scar on right side of belly).

Ass: not to flat. But no round enough and skin breaks on it.

Pussy: natural, not shaved.

Service: 5/10 (no kiss, no DATY, no fingering).

Retry: Probably but not in the sauna.

The session.

Booked S1 in the taxi, so she was ready when I arrived.

She is wearing a long dress that is more for a ceremony than to give you a hard on!

Arrived in room, undressed and went to shower. No real discussion since my Chinese is poor. After the shower, we go to the bed and she start with nipples licking (her mouth is wet, so good point) and she moves to BBBJ. The BJ is OK but nothing exceptional. It is wet! I want to switch and go for DATY, but she refused. So I lick her nipples, play with her clit with my fingers but no penetration and no saliva. She takes care of me again, makes me hard, cap me and we start in mish. Since her services are limited to basic sex, my plan is to take my time and come at the end of the session. This is what happened. We had sex for almost 45 min: mish, spoon, doggy, standing up, doggy against the bed. I think she came at least twice since she asked me to stop and catch her breath. She ended up all sweaty although she never went on top!

I finally shoot on her legs while she was licking my nipples.

So was it is good session? Yes in a way she never complained that I did not come fast. But no because her services are rather limited in the sauna. So I will try a meeting outside and see if there is any difference. It will also be cheaper!

Faceless78
12-29-14, 19:24
I looked at your posts from Germany FKK and Paris; I think it's fair to say that you are very unique to most posters here on ISG, in that you have no problem paying insanely high amounts of money for your prostitutes. The prices you are quoting above, in Shanghai, are nothing less than ridiculous to all but the very wealthy. But good for you, I guess. My troubling question is what's with the PM needed? It's a website, that obviously wants to find wealthy (or stupid) clients; you claim no ties to them, so why not just post a link?Ah, yes, I thought about one minute about posting that contact information here, but, as I mentioned.

That's QQ number, if suddenly tons of strangers come to him, I don't think he'll accept the requests. Its not like an escort site, everyone can look at the page and make a phone call.

And I'm not sure I'm among the rich, I just spend the money on where I like, I don't have many other interests. And as I explore more and more, I realize insane rich people are everywhere.

It was just a friendly proposal, anyone interests in or not, doesn't make any difference to me.

ShanghaiNemo
12-30-14, 06:40
Your answer is above.

18 is out of town. She is mid to late 20's. No fat ass, smaller chest but not terribly small. My standards are high and she meets them.

Sam.Thanks Sam, I appreciated your answer. Surely they gave me a fake 18!

Five Aces
01-01-15, 22:27
Pukimonster,

Please don't attack this guy with names. He wrote a review. If it ended badly then it is a learning experience for all of us.How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.

Ikksman
01-02-15, 05:33
{S N I P} China is a big place and unless she is a sex slave she is free to leave and work somewhere else.I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

• The employer takes the girls ID card
• The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
• The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
• The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
• An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
• The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
• The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"

SE Asia Joe
01-02-15, 09:06
I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. ...........
In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"Whilst I most times agree with our POV, I must take an exception this time.

I have had the privilege (or is it ignominy) of quite intimately knowing too many of our Chinese courtesans and have formed a rather different POV. Oh sure, there are of course quite a few of these girls who falls under your characterization, but I'the suggest that these definitely do NOT form the majority – especially those more "seasoned. "

Chinese girls are not as naive and / or helpless as you seem to think they are; and I'd venture to say that the majority are in the profession of their own free will. Now, whether such "free will" is rational or not, given their propensity for being overly filial (to parents) and being too subservient to their husbands / BF, is of course subject to interpretation.

Yes, a lot of the "first timers" had been cheated by BF's, recruiters and even traffickers, and subject to constrictions as ID card confiscation, made drug dependent, blackmail etc. As you describe, but this usually do NOT last for long and either she goes back home chastened, or else instead go back out on her own to work.

And yes, some of these stories are quite harrowing, but I really think you do not give enough credit to the spirit of the Chinese lasses. I even know a girl who got "sold" by her supposed BF for a mere RMB 4,000 to an operator of a Jiangmen drug den and made drug dependent; and even though she is a very good looking girl, she mostly just accompanied clients to take drugs and most times sex did not even enter in the equation and regular physical beatings to keep her in line was also on the menu. That's how hard-core the situation she found herself in, but after over a year, she got the courage to just walk-out, slept on the streets for over a month whilst going cold turkey, and went to Chang Ping to start working at a regular KTV. Just like that, and I can tell you many other stories, mostly involving useless BF's and over-demanding parents, but mostly just illustrating their "free-will. ".

Only IMHO of course, but I really cannot agree to your postulation that most Chinese WG's are "not free to leave. "

SEAJ.

Fuzimiao
01-02-15, 09:17
I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.
Perhaps in Changping in the time of Cronin, but in Shanghai the only form of coercion is the fact that the girl must put down a deposit (normally of 2000 rmb), and must give one or two full months notice, when quitting, otherwise the security bond is lost.

Recently I am aware of several MP's where girls can buy in for a ten percent stake in the business, this also makes it difficult for them to move on!

In all cases the original owner retains more than 50%.

Ikksman
01-02-15, 12:09
I have received a number of PMs to "ignore the bullshit posts". You guys are correct, I should ignore them. No sense in giving them more publicity and clogging up the Shanghai forum with lengthy threads where the BSers tirelessly attempt to defend their BS.

Cheers.

Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"

Shanghai Guide
01-02-15, 16:55
I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card
The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"I have a lot of contacts in the sauna and escort scene here in Shanghai, and in this "working field", there is nearly no "pressure" from the company to keep them to stay or or beeing a "sex slave" of the company or business owner. For example the Sauna clubs pay salary every 10 days, the girls can leave when ever they want, just will loose the part of the salary they did not get yet, very less additional will have a deposit in the value mentioned here before (not more than 2000 RMB normally), and that is not really something can keep a girl into the sauna business, if she don't want, because that's what she make in 2 or 3 days. I just had a talk some days ago with a owner of a big sauna, and he told me, they had to rise up their rate, just because girls will move to other places, where they can get some more money, so if he want to keep the good ones in his club, he has to pay them some more, otherwise they leave, and I know many girls left the sauna business to do something else, go home or work as an escort and no one get any problem for that. At least not here in Shanghai.

And for escort it's even more "free". I never meet any agency who work with employed staff. All girls are "freelancer", the only pressure they will have is, that the agencies will not give them customers any more, if they will not be available too often or act in a way, that the customer complain, but there is no further "pressure" from their "company". Not like known from Beijing, where girls often "prisoned" in a company appartment, only allow to go out if they have customers, than even driven there with company car and driver, not allowed to own mobile phones, the passport is taken by the boss and so on.

I would guess it's different in Shanghai, because the "officals" don't care the same for "prositution" like in Beijing, so the "risk" to get prisones for the boss is much lower in Shanghai, so no need for him to "control" the business and girls so much. And I guess no boss in Shanghai will risk getting problems because of trafficking, because this will cause much more serious problems soon, compared with just running a sauna or escort business.

The point from my view is, under which conditions you will call a girls a "sex slave". For example in Germany prostitution is legal, but forced prostitution is still a crime.

Now it will happen, that people will call 80% of the deals in Germany "forced prostitution", because they define it as that, if a girl is in a economy situation, that she (think she) will have to work as a prostitute for getting enough money. If you define it like that, than every working girl in China is a "sex slave", just because she is a "slave of money" (like many Chinese people), and there is definitly no similar way for a (often uneducated) girl to make even 20% of the money she can get as a working girl in any other job she can get.

For example I meet a escort girl who worked independent and than stopped to go back to "regular" life. She came back to our page after some weeks and told me, she stopped escort before, because she did not feel good to be "fucked" by so many "bad" guys. Than she started to work in a office and found out, that she need to work 10 times more for 10% of the money and she also told me: "now I have 2 managers who also "fuck" me in a way I don't like several times a week. Not "fuck" my pussy, but "fuck" my brain, so nothing getting better at all"!

So from my view most of the girls in this business just do it, because they get much more money than for every other job. Even in a Barbershop, the girls will not have less than 20.000 RMB a month, in a sauna not less than 30.000 RMB, if they are "models", they will not make less than 60 000 RMB. So we talk about a 16 to 20 years old (often contryside) girl who make more than 10.000 US Dollars a month, and that in a area where many high educated engineers will go home with less than 2. 000 US Dollars!

So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planing:

- The business is hard (no regular "scedule", many hours working a day, having sex several times a day and so on), so many girls will be drug addicted very fast (especially meth / ice) and some of the girls spend thousands of US Dollars for that every month.

- All around the sauna girls you will find "lovescammer" who pretend beeing a boyfriend (which many girls yearning for), but they only want to get as much money as possible.

- Many girls support their families at home (who pretend to believe she can send them 30 to 50 K a month just by normal working in Shanghai. What a fuck!

And beside all that "pressure", there are also many working girls, who just enjoy a very comfortable luxury life by a "unmoral", but very "lazy" lifestyle. Luxury goods, many free time for party, just for some "overnights" every month! I have a escort friend, she is 28 years now, driving a new Mercedes Sports Car here in Shanghai, bought a new big appartment (paid already), only wear brand clothes and accessories, enjoy luxury overseas holiday every year and so on. So she is far away from a "sex slave", but she has no motivation to think about doing another job. Some "expensive" part time girls on our page make 5000 RMB a month in their normal job and just enjoy the extra budget of 10 or 20.000 RMB a month just for having a short sex session from time to time.

For all the guys here who do not believe that girls can make so much money by that, I have to say that this is a typical "western thinking". I can feel the different thinking often in this forum, where every guy who talk about "higher rate entertainment" will be "blamed" for his foolishness and called a greenhorn, because here in this forum 90% of the posts try to find the "cheap sex" deals.

But as mentioned in my previews postings already, chinese guys are much more generous for that, because spending a lot for a girl is already a good way for a chinese guy to show he is rich and successfull, same like many (western) guys drive a expensive car to show they have money. So while western guys complain about the service and price ratio by spending 1980 RMB in a sauna for 60 minutes and only one pop (and no blowjob), chinese guys will just do it and tell everyone, that they spend 2000 to fuck a pretty model, and all will be impressed that he could afford that (while all western guys will be shocked how he could be so stupid).

So from my view (at least in Shanghai) there is no need to feel guilty if you "play" with a working girl, you will nearly never support a "bad" boss who force girls into the working business! Honestly, I only met less than 5 girls who work for "fun" , but I would guess nearly all the time (of course, there may be exceptions) you will support a girl to have the life she decided to live for herself and not forced into by others!

TomSf
01-02-15, 21:44
How many times do you see a male tourist being set up by a tout on Nanjing Lu. If you interfered you would quickly find out they are a gang not just one person.

It needs to be said over and over not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. Never.

That includes females or innocent seeming young girls just wanting to practice their English.

They are all there to rob you, not to welcome you to China. Some or most are willing to hurt you.

If you want to be robbed and maybe hurt as well then go with the nice touts. If you want to have a good time at a fair rate then read the forum and find out where.

To go.Five Aces,

When you say "not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. " That is a general statement and that is not always true. This is mongering and mongering is dangerous. I have went with many touts and never had any problems and yes I can speak OK Mandarin. Now there were touts that I refused to go with. Like if they told me it was farther than walking distance and I would have to get in a car ect. I have been attacked on this board before because I say learning to speak some Chinese will not only help you from getting over charged but can help you get out of trouble if you do get in trouble. Minimum have a paper with some words that can help if you get into trouble. There will be not enough time for a translator on phone. But, I don't want another talk about speaking the language and how non Chinese speaking guys claim they effortlessly coast trouble China and never have and issues with language. That is them. I am referring to the rest of the people.

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you. There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.

Shanghai Guide
01-03-15, 03:50
Five aces,

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you.Not really, the "serious" touts and girls have so many other ways to find customers much more easy and for example a sauna will pay up to 100 RMB to a guy who will bring in a new customers, but did you ever have been invited to a "normal" sauna by a tout on the street? I am out nearly every night, and it never happened to me! From my view there is no need for anyone to start to talk with western greenhorns on the street, if he want to find customers for a "normal" deal. There are 1000 times more Chinese customers around, so there is only one reason to pick out the 0,1 % western greenhorns: "easy to rip them off"! Everyone who really will be out to make money will have no reason to waste his time with western guys!


There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.I can not totally agree to the above words.

First in the listing how to get girls, the sauna clubs and pickup bars are missing.

Second I don't understand how you think people get robbed in a Karaoke? Robbed for you is to pay high rates? Than I can agree, but robbed in my understanding is someone threaten or blackmail you to pay a fortune that never mentioned before. Every expensive "white" KTV will tell you how much for every service and it's up to you to decide, if it's worth for you or not. The only really "robbing" in Karaoke Clubs will happen in the illegal "black" KTVs, but here we are exactly at the beginning point. No one will ever end up in a "black" KTV, if he follow advertisement on buildings, magazines, forum recommendations and so on. The only way to end up in a black KTV will be to follow a tout on the street who will offer you "sexy girls", cheap drinks, bar very nearby and so on.

And from my experience I also would never ever recommend anyone to follow a tout on the street. I can speak a decent Chinese, and much more important, I have a good friend in a very high position in the Shanghai Police Department, so sometimes I "played the game" to follow touts, pretending first not to speak Chinese and totally act like a "greenhorn" (for example in Xin Tian Di, around Judy's or in Nanjing Lu), just to find out, if I can find new interesting places by that.

And my experience in the last year when I followed guys around 10 times was: I never ended up in a "white" place! Every time I finally ended up in a "black" KTV or Massage Club. never any reasonable service has been offered to me and 6 times I already called my police friend and kept him on phone just to "open" a way out without getting robbed, beated up or something like that.

I have to limit, however, that I did not use your filter of "only walking distance", but for me it's hard to believe that anyone can be so lucky to find good places by that and I tried it 10 times without being lucky even one time (but same time got in very dangerous situations 6 times. And I talk about being in trouble with violent criminals), so I would never ever advice anyone who don't know how to handle it to follow a tout in Shanghai.

And for the risk evaluation I would prefer a slightly differentiated analysis:

1. Barber shop: Risk of getting catched with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or blackmailed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a Barbershop.

2. Massage shop: Risk of getting caught with trousers down in a raid: not happened even one time with a western guy last year / Risk to get overcharged (means more than agreed): never happened in any normal shop you pass by and go in / Risk to get robbed or threats of violence: never heard about that in a "not tout shop".

3. Follow touts: Risk of threats of violence to give out credit card information: I would guess at least 10 to 20 % / Risk to get forced and blackmailed to pay 5. 000 to 30.000 RMB for a short time entertainment: I personally have been informed about around 20 cases last year, so I am sure it happened at least 5 times a day in Shanghai.

4. Escort website: Risk to be overcharged by upselling: Nearly every time / Risk for getting a totally different girl: happen every time you book / Risk to get robbed: never heard about any case over the last year / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known".

5. We chat type kind of apps: Mix of Escort Website and Touts business, because most of the contacts there will be one of this both "companies".

6. Sauna Clubs: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" sauna clubs, not the "black" ones where you only will end up by follow the tout!

7. Pickup bars: Risk to get overcharged: every day / Risk to get robbed, black male or threats of violence: Never heard about a case / The risk of being burgled: exist, but low, because girl is "known" and will not risk to get banned from the bar, but happened several times with "free" pickups on the street.

8. Girls Bars (Hostess Bars): Risk to get robbed or blackmailed, threats of violence: never heard about that / Risk to get overcharged: High, they will often cheat with drink bill / Risk for a Credit card fraud: High, happened several times last year.

9. KTV / Karaoke: Risk to get caught in a raid: never happened in the last 5 years in Shanghai, as far as I know / Risk for get overcharged: Never heard about that / Risk to pay a lot: yes, this clubs can be very expensive, but the rates are not a secret, you will know it in advance / risk to get robbed: Never heard about any case (we talk about the "popular and white" KTV clubs again, not the "black" ones where you also will only end up by following a the tout!

So from my point of view it is a really blue-eyed evaluation to say that all this ways have their own risk and and to give the impression that the risk would be even close to equal. From my view you can monger around in Shanghai with a nearly not existing risk by just visiting sauna clubs or you can have a nearly 100 % chance to get in serious trouble just by follow several touts the time you stay here.

I would be willing to bet with everyone here, that we can go to Xin Tian Di together, follow 10 times a tout and he will win 500 Dollar, if none of them will try to rip us off (blackmail, treaten with police or beating us up) for at least 5000 RMB, and I will loose that amount, if we could find 10 times some entertainment for less than 2000 RMB. But I am afraid no one who know the "market" only a little bit will bet against it?

But I totally agree, that speaking the language is helpful! Every time I change to Chinese will blow away more than 80% of the touts, because than they are afraid I know the market and I will not be the kind of guy who easily will be scared and willing to pay, so they immediately give up. Second the touts will be much more scared you are able to leave the club and call the next police guys around over, if you will be able to communicate with them. I even one time could listen to a quarrel, where my "tout" has getting in serious trouble with the manager of a black KTV, because he brought a guy in, who could speak Chinese and would be able to cause too much trouble to the club. Than the manager came back, excused to me, tried to explain all as a "misunderstanding" and guided me personally out. So from my experience it's never a mistake to speak the local language, but I also don't think there is anyone here around who really think it's not an advantage to have language skills for mongering!

Beijing4987
01-03-15, 04:03
Shsnghai Guide: Can you comment on the economics of the oil massage business in Shsnghai? The house fee went from 208 to 268 recently at some places in Jingan. The girls told me they received 70 out of the 208 fee and later 138 of the 268 fee. Do the chinese customers tip them? They will on occasion agree to takeout on their day off, or after work ends, but usually need to get back to sleep in the dorm. Management seems to keep them on a short leash. What kind of monthly salary are they getting. I was told 3000-500 o last year.

Jopj1
01-03-15, 05:21
Except for the Beijing part that is merely urban legend I agree with SG that making a lot of cash working freely as a WG is the Chinese dreams for most of these girls in large cities. A salary of 70 k cny per month is clearly possible although they Got worn out fairly quickly.

Let us not forget that for a lot of these girls doing this job is a fast way to get rich enough to do something else.

They usually come from a poor rather uneducated background where they see their body as a way to improve their life prospects.

Of course some of them need to pay for their parents, repay for a debt or support a lousy girlfriend but working as an escort or in a sauna is a free decision in many cases as a lesser evil.

That being said I also know that is a lot of litterature about girls being used as collateral for debts in the countryside. Never met any though and I believe that with the economic development of China you may find less and less of these. Similarly I have never met any Chinese WG in mainland China who was under drugs.

What Ikksman describes reminds me more of the situation encountered in Macau. Maybe it s the case in southern China too.


I have a lot of contacts in the sauna and escort scene here in Shanghai, and in this "working field", there is nearly no "pressure" from the company to keep them to stay or or beeing a "sex slave" of the company or business owner. For example the Sauna clubs pay salary every 10 days, the girls can leave when ever they want, just will loose the part of the salary they did not get yet, very less additional will have a deposit in the value mentioned here before (not more than 2000 RMB normally), and that is not really something can keep a girl into the sauna business, if she don't want, because that's what she make in 2 or 3 days. I just had a talk some days ago with a owner of a big sauna, and he told me, they had to rise up their rate, just because girls will move to other places, where they can get some more money, so if he want to keep the good ones in his club, he has to pay them some more, otherwise they leave, and I know many girls left the sauna business to do something else, go home or work as an escort and no one get any problem for that. At least not here in Shanghai.

And for escort it's even more "free". I never meet any agency who work with employed staff. All girls are "freelancer", the only pressure they will have is, that the agencies will not give them customers any more, if they will not be available too often or act in a way, that the customer complain, but there is no further "pressure" from their "company". Not like known from Beijing, where girls often "prisoned" in a company appartment, only allow to go out if they have customers, than even driven there with company car and driver, not allowed to own mobile phones, the passport is taken by the boss and so on.

I would guess it's different in Shanghai, because the "officals" don't care the same for "prositution" like in Beijing, so the "risk" to get prisones for the boss is much lower in Shanghai, so no need for him to "control" the business and girls so much. And I guess no boss in Shanghai will risk getting problems because of trafficking, because this will cause much more serious problems soon, compared with just running a sauna or escort business.

The point from my view is, under which conditions you will call a girls a "sex slave". For example in Germany prostitution is legal, but forced prostitution is still a crime.

Now it will happen, that people will call 80% of the deals in Germany "forced prostitution", because they define it as that, if a girl is in a economy situation, that she (think she) will have to work as a prostitute for getting enough money. If you define it like that, than every working girl in China is a "sex slave", just because she is a "slave of money" (like many Chinese people), and there is definitly no similar way for a (often uneducated) girl to make even 20% of the money she can get as a working girl in any other job she can get.

For example I meet a escort girl who worked independent and than stopped to go back to "regular" life. She came back to our page after some weeks and told me, she stopped escort before, because she did not feel good to be "fucked" by so many "bad" guys. Than she started to work in a office and found out, that she need to work 10 times more for 10% of the money and she also told me: "now I have 2 managers who also "fuck" me in a way I don't like several times a week. Not "fuck" my pussy, but "fuck" my brain, so nothing getting better at all"!

So from my view most of the girls in this business just do it, because they get much more money than for every other job. Even in a Barbershop, the girls will not have less than 20.000 RMB a month, in a sauna not less than 30.000 RMB, if they are "models", they will not make less than 60 000 RMB. So we talk about a 16 to 20 years old (often contryside) girl who make more than 10.000 US Dollars a month, and that in a area where many high educated engineers will go home with less than 2. 000 US Dollars!

So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planing:

- The business is hard (no regular "scedule", many hours working a day, having sex several times a day and so on), so many girls will be drug addicted very fast (especially meth / ice) and some of the girls spend thousands of US Dollars for that every month.

- All around the sauna girls you will find "lovescammer" who pretend beeing a boyfriend (which many girls yearning for), but they only want to get as much money as possible.

- Many girls support their families at home (who pretend to believe she can send them 30 to 50 K a month just by normal working in Shanghai. What a fuck!

And beside all that "pressure", there are also many working girls, who just enjoy a very comfortable luxury life by a "unmoral", but very "lazy" lifestyle. Luxury goods, many free time for party, just for some "overnights" every month! I have a escort friend, she is 28 years now, driving a new Mercedes Sports Car here in Shanghai, bought a new big appartment (paid already), only wear brand clothes and accessories, enjoy luxury overseas holiday every year and so on. So she is far away from a "sex slave", but she has no motivation to think about doing another job. Some "expensive" part time girls on our page make 5000 RMB a month in their normal job and just enjoy the extra budget of 10 or 20.000 RMB a month just for having a short sex session from time to time.

For all the guys here who do not believe that girls can make so much money by that, I have to say that this is a typical "western thinking". I can feel the different thinking often in this forum, where every guy who talk about "higher rate entertainment" will be "blamed" for his foolishness and called a greenhorn, because here in this forum 90% of the posts try to find the "cheap sex" deals.

But as mentioned in my previews postings already, chinese guys are much more generous for that, because spending a lot for a girl is already a good way for a chinese guy to show he is rich and successfull, same like many (western) guys drive a expensive car to show they have money. So while western guys complain about the service and price ratio by spending 1980 RMB in a sauna for 60 minutes and only one pop (and no blowjob), chinese guys will just do it and tell everyone, that they spend 2000 to fuck a pretty model, and all will be impressed that he could afford that (while all western guys will be shocked how he could be so stupid).

So from my view (at least in Shanghai) there is no need to feel guilty if you "play" with a working girl, you will nearly never support a "bad" boss who force girls into the working business! Honestly, I only met less than 5 girls who work for "fun" , but I would guess nearly all the time (of course, there may be exceptions) you will support a girl to have the life she decided to live for herself and not forced into by others!

Five Aces
01-03-15, 07:50
Five aces,

When you say "not ever to go with touts anywhere or anytime. " That is a general statement and that is not always true. This is mongering and mongering is dangerous. I have went with many touts and never had any problems and yes I can speak OK Mandarin. Now there were touts that I refused to go with. Like if they told me it was farther than walking distance and I would have to get in a car ect. I have been attacked on this board before because I say learning to speak some Chinese will not only help you from getting over charged but can help you get out of trouble if you do get in trouble. Minimum have a paper with some words that can help if you get into trouble. There will be not enough time for a translator on phone. But, I don't want another talk about speaking the language and how non Chinese speaking guys claim they effortlessly coast trouble China and never have and issues with language. That is them. I am referring to the rest of the people.

These girls and touts are out to make money from you. Not necessarily rob you. There are only 5 ways that I know about to get girls in China for mongering. 1. Barber shop, massage shop, touts, escort website, we chat type kind of apps. Each one has its own dangers and all of them you can be robbed or arrested. You also can go to Karaoke which in my opinion is the most dangerous way to get robbed.

I have got to say this is just not true. If you think the danger involved with dealing with touts is overstated here you are wrong. Period.

If you don't mind the risk have fun. Pay tourist rate, get a really lousy sex massage, then get beat up and robbed by some sneering thugs. Ok enjoy.

By the way I did take the time to learn a little mandarin and have been visiting Shanghai for 8 years.

But anyway you can be certain that the thugs in the small room will know English; hunting tourists is their specialty.

Ikksman
01-03-15, 08:49
{S N I P} So the "dream" of most of the girls will be, to work in a sauna for some years, save a lot of money and than go back in her hometown and start her own business like a restaurant or cloth shop. And with less than 25 years she could have 500.000 US Dollars savings already, and with that she could start a great life in her hometown.

Unfortunally it nearly never work like that. So I agree to the above listing regarding to the "enviroment" pressure. There are many external influences that will destroy their planning: {S N I P}Thanks for a very informative post, SG. I know that most meth / ice is made in Southern China, but I think it is fast becoming a major nationwide problem (maybe it is not very visible to foreigners). But it is fast becoming a major part of KTV partying and the girls are forced to participate.

BTW, what other terms do you use for the "love scammers" in Shanghai? Do you use the terms 'cockroach', 'rice container' or 'chicken head'?

Ikks.

Ikksman
01-03-15, 13:37
Whilst I most times agree with our POV, I must take an exception this time. {S N I P}
Only IMHO of course, but I really cannot agree to your postulation that most Chinese WG's are "not free to leave. "
SEAJ.SEAJ,

Your level of experience in SZ and CP is exponentially greater than mine, and your post was enlightening.

I guess I was stretching it a bit to claim that in Changping "the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories." (of being under some form of duress / control). I should have been much more moderate in my statements!

WRT to the rest of China, particularly Northern China, I have no idea of the amount or degree of coercion/ control that exists (and did not claim to know), but I am sure that it is present, which is the main point I was ineptly attempting to make!

WGs in China have to suffer many indignities, but I am heartened by your confidence and belief in the spirit of the girls.

Cheers,
Ikks

Phenyl
01-03-15, 14:25
Any recent updates for the Ramada near Pudong Airport? I have a late-arriving flight and an early departure the next morning, so taking a taxi for an hour to get to a sauna is not so appealing. Would appreciate any advice or suggestions.

Shanghai Guide
01-03-15, 18:12
Except for the Beijing part that is merely urban legend I agree with SG I would not say it's a urban legend, could be it changed, but I had that situation around 8 years ago in Beijing and at least for that time I got the feeling, it was not a legend.

In 2006 I agreed to a girl who offered me a "massage girl" for my hotel room near my hotel, than she called a car by, than a car stopped, some girls inside, I picked out one, the "mamasan" even went with us to my hotel room (but luckily at least kept outside), after one hour she even knocked on my door to pick up the girl again. Unfortunately that time I did not speak any Chinese and she did not speak any English, but she had definitely no phone number and even start to cry when I asked for that. It was a horrible session, because I lost all motivation by feeling how sad and afraid she was, so I am nearly sure it was a case of trafficking, but that was just my impression that time and that's the reason why I really believe this kind of "urban legends" when I read about them now.


Similarly I have never met any Chinese WG in mainland China who was under drugs.I would guess you did not do a drug test with them, right? Before I used to get more "deep into the scene", I would have told everyone exactly the same, but if you get more "close" to the sauna managers and girls, you will change your point of view.

Two years ago I started to meet one of my regular sauna girls outside the club and after some month when she and her friends started to trust me, I also have been invited to their parties where I could figure out, that many of this girls used to smoke ice (crystal meth), several of them even with Chinese customers together (It seems to be same popular in China than Cocaine for the "high society" in western countries).

I could see a very clear connection from the sex business with this drug. Who ever smoked ice, will know, that it will help the girls not to get tired, it doesn't matter how long their shift will be, the time will run much faster and additional they get more horny and they will have no problem to sex around for hours.

All effects of this drug are useful for their business, that's why so alluring for the girls. But for sure all girls I met have been fare away from the typical crack hookers I could see in american movies. From all the girls I later found out they regularly smoke ice, I never had any suspicions for month, so I would guess, if you met some more working girls in China, you also will have met some girls under drugs, but not so obviously, that you could realized it.

But that's just my personal evaluation.

TomSf
01-04-15, 03:23
Not really, the "serious" touts and girls have so many other ways to find customers much more easy and for example a sauna will pay up to 100 RMB to a guy who will bring in a new customers, but did you ever have been invited to a "normal" sauna by a tout on the street? I am out nearly every night, and it never happened to me! From my view there is no need for anyone to start to talk with western greenhorns on the street, if he want to find customers for a "normal" deal. There are 1000 times more Chinese customers around, so there is only one reason to pick out the 0,1 % western greenhorns: "easy to rip them off"! Everyone who really will be out to make money will have no reason to waste his time with western guys!

I can not totally agree to the above words.

First in the listing how to get girls, the sauna clubs and pickup bars are missing.

Second I don't understand how you think people get robbed in a Karaoke? Robbed for you is to pay high rates? Than I can agree, but robbed in my understanding is someone threaten or blackmail you to pay a fortune that never mentioned before.ShanghaiGuide,

Excellent post. Thank you for writing this. I have no where near you knowledge and experience with Shanghai. When I was talking about KTV robbing customers. Yes, I was referring robbing by over charging. Especially white guys. But had Chinese friends that did not live in China and still got over charged. When I asked them how this could happen. He told me they could sense they were not a local. I don't really like drinking in another country for safety reasons so I never went to bars or had a need for KTV places. After reading this post it actually scared me about shanghai. Although I personally never felt unsafe. I guess it was just luck. I was in an area and I am sorry I can't remember area that I guess was safe. I was in a taxi and told him to stop and hopped out when I seen I was in a red light type area. There was many barber massage type shops concentrated in that particular area. I definitely need to be more careful sir.

Thank you again.

Five Aces
01-04-15, 08:51
But had Chinese friends that did not live in China and still got over charged. When I asked them how this could happen. He told me they could sense they were not a local.They don't use mental telepathy. They can spot American Chinese by their clothes.

Yes ShanghaiGuide, that was an excellent post. My comments were for the benefit of just off the plane foreigners. They can't make subtle distinctions (as if there were any).

I have found Shanghai to be safe. You just have to RTFF to know the scams. Then have a really good time.

Jopj1
01-04-15, 09:18
Thanks SG.

I haven t heard stories of cars full of girls / or encountered te situation in Beijing for 3-4 years at least. Not saying it s not happening just saying probably not common anymore. But it used to be the case indeed. Again I only comment on my personal experience or what I heard from girls I lnow in this industry and I ve never heard of I'd cards kept away or other horror stories in Beijing. On the contrary I ve always felt that people in Beijing had a strong entrepreneurship behavior and whenever they could go independent they would.

Would be interesting to have other Beijing senior members comments on this.

As regards your second point effects of ice on libido are well documented indeed and your story is interesting. I m not going to tell my life story but about 4 years ago I used to be very close to a WG in Macau who was taking ice to be able to make it. I ve seen the effects very up close on her and haven't seen anything similar on other girls in mainland China (except in Guangdong maybe). Again I m not saying it does not exist, just saying that I haven't encountered the case despite my rather long tenure in China. I will investigate a little on this to make up my own opinion. I ve encountered more cases of gambling and girls whoring to pay off gambling debts.

Cheers.

J.


I would not say it's a urban legend, could be it changed, but I had that situation around 8 years ago in Beijing and at least for that time I got the feeling, it was not a legend.

In 2006 I agreed to a girl who offered me a "massage girl" for my hotel room near my hotel, than she called a car by, than a car stopped, some girls inside, I picked out one, the "mamasan" even went with us to my hotel room (but luckily at least kept outside), after one hour she even knocked on my door to pick up the girl again. Unfortunately that time I did not speak any Chinese and she did not speak any English, but she had definitely no phone number and even start to cry when I asked for that. It was a horrible session, because I lost all motivation by feeling how sad and afraid she was, so I am nearly sure it was a case of trafficking, but that was just my impression that time and that's the reason why I really believe this kind of "urban legends" when I read about them now.

I would guess you did not do a drug test with them, right? Before I used to get more "deep into the scene", I would have told everyone exactly the same, but if you get more "close" to the sauna managers and girls, you will change your point of view.

Two years ago I started to meet one of my regular sauna girls outside the club and after some month when she and her friends started to trust me, I also have been invited to their parties where I could figure out, that many of this girls used to smoke ice (crystal meth), several of them even with Chinese customers together (It seems to be same popular in China than Cocaine for the "high society" in western countries).

I could see a very clear connection from the sex business with this drug. Who ever smoked ice, will know, that it will help the girls not to get tired, it doesn't matter how long their shift will be, the time will run much faster and additional they get more horny and they will have no problem to sex around for hours.

All effects of this drug are useful for their business, that's why so alluring for the girls. But for sure all girls I met have been fare away from the typical crack hookers I could see in american movies. From all the girls I later found out they regularly smoke ice, I never had any suspicions for month, so I would guess, if you met some more working girls in China, you also will have met some girls under drugs, but not so obviously, that you could realized it.

But that's just my personal evaluation.

Blacklisted
01-04-15, 13:44
Thanks SG.

I haven t heard stories of cars full of girls / or encountered te situation in Beijing for 3-4 years at least. Not saying it s not happening just saying probably not common anymore. But it used to be the case indeed. Again I only comment on my personal experience or what I heard from girls I lnow in this industry and I ve never heard of I'd cards kept away or other horror stories in Beijing. On the contrary I ve always felt that people in Beijing had a strong entrepreneurship behavior and whenever they could go independent they would.

Would be interesting to have other Beijing senior members comments on this.

As regards your second point effects of ice on libido are well documented indeed and your story is interesting. I m not going to tell my life story but about 4 years ago I used to be very close to a WG in Macau who was taking ice to be able to make it. I ve seen the effects very up close on her and haven't seen anything similar on other girls in mainland China (except in Guangdong maybe). Again I m not saying it does not exist, just saying that I haven't encountered the case despite my rather long tenure in China. I will investigate a little on this to make up my own opinion. I ve encountered more cases of gambling and girls whoring to pay off gambling debts.

Cheers.

J.I'd agree with that. A couple of times when a girl left a sauna room for 5 minutes or so toward the end of the session, I asked if she went out to smoke ice and she looked at me as if I was mental. I got a sense in CP that kind of thing is more common and definitely 10 years ago it was done openly in bars in Shanghai, but seems to be much less prevalent now.

But that's just my experience, not doubting SG's POV. Just perhaps different circles of people / girls.

HongLong888
01-05-15, 04:16
I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?

Carage
01-05-15, 18:21
I would like to offer a slightly different view. There are many reasons why WGs, who are not 'sex slaves' (in the formal definition of the term), are not free to leave. A few of these reasons are:

The employer takes the girls ID card
The employer threatens to inform the girl's parents, relatives, village of her occupation.
The BF back in the village has promised to marry her as soon as she earns a certain amount of money
The girl has been deliberately introduced to drugs and now has a dependency on them
An 'Auntie' or relative has introduced her to the business and basically controls the girl
The girl has become dependent on, and controlled by, a cockroach
The girl owes money to the employer (training, uniforms, fines etc)

In the case of pre-yanda Changping, I estimate that the majority of girls, who had been working there for more than a few months, fell into one or more of the above categories.

Ikksman
"No need to expose fools. They expose themselves!"

I've heard several of these situations when I was having fun in the saunas of Shanghai.
Though I have also met WGs who seem to have much more personal freedom,
including asking if they could meet me for dinner and/or basically give me the services of an escort outside of their facilities.

Shanghai Guide
01-06-15, 03:29
I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?For example KB stands for kou bao (Chinese for "mouth explosion" used for the service "come in mouth".

The others I asked a sauna manager here in Shanghai, but even he has to research. The result will be.

Listed in our "shanghai naughty abbreviation" dictionary. Google that, and you will find your answer soon.

Have fun,

Steven

Kajos
01-06-15, 16:37
Hi, just posted the abbreviations I know here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2216-Chinese-Words-amp-Phrases&p=1665673&viewfull=1#post1665673.


I have been to SH frequently and am just now (yeah) discovering the MP scene. I can read some Chinese but the abbreviations like SH, KB, YW confuse me. Can anyone help out?

Yuri B
01-07-15, 21:05
I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

Thanks.

Shanghai Guide
01-08-15, 00:04
I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

ThanksYou want to come in 6 to 10 weeks? And want to ask about the situation now? Seems you don't understand how it works here.

You never will know a "closing" weeks in advance. There are some days around national holiday and Chinese new year, where it will be more "windy" here, so more places will close. Also around government conferences or important meetings the LE will close more clubs, than from time to time different sauna or massage places will close, because their local police station will go out to check the venues around. So the only point that is more than soothsaying is, that around Chinese new year at 14th of February it will be a little bit more "dry" here! For all other days, better check one or two days before you arrive, there is no sense in researching weeks in advance.

Beijing4987
01-08-15, 18:07
Alas, the famous #18 is still gone. She promised to return January 4. Someone please let us know when she returns. #3 there is better in some ways. A good alternative.

Mighty Spearsman
01-09-15, 06:24
I know it was bad in the end of November. I plan to come out in Feb-March. Are the saunas still close and one has to be careful, or bad times stayed behind?

Thanks.As Shanghai Guide pointed out, Chinese New Year is fairly late this year, in the middle of February, and the holiday will last several days, which will affect the number of places that are open and how many girls might be available (probably very few).

Newbee321
01-11-15, 16:16
Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.

Shanghai Guide
01-11-15, 17:36
Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.Hotel depends on your budget, but I would recommend Ambassador Hotel which is located in No. 818 Wanhangdu Lu. Near to the Center, easy to reach all Puxi things, a great sauna nearby, which even provide service to deliver the sauna girl you selected to your hotel room (more details by e-mail me or PM here).

3 days I would recommend:

You should spend one evening for a pickup in Manhattan and / or Judys.

Another evening for one or two sauna sessions.

Based on your budget another sauna day, a KTV party or try some happy ending massage.

Fritobugger
01-12-15, 06:26
Bodi has a hotel attached that gets decent reviews except for the location.

Siquan is at the Merrylin Hotel and across the street from an Intercontinental.


Going to SH shortly and would like to book a hotel close to the action and if possible with a good massage / sauna.

Any recommendations?

What would be the top 3 must visit places for a 3 day stay?

As always thanks for all the useful advice.

Stegram
01-12-15, 18:54
Bodi has a hotel attached that gets decent reviews except for the location.

Siquan is at the Merrylin Hotel and across the street from an Intercontinental.I stayed at Bodi. It was super convenient to just walk next door for the sauna (which has been up and down recently).

Getting a cab can take up to 20 minutes so if you're going somewhere plan ahead.

Shanghai Guide
01-12-15, 23:21
For all the mongers around, next days you better check your sauna, if they are really open. The LEs are on another "party road" and some saunas decided to calm down a little bit, asked us to hide their detailed information on our page and so on, so there is a big risk, that they also will close, if the wind get's too strong.

Shanghai Guide
01-15-15, 01:08
For all the mongers around, next days you better check your sauna, if they are really open. The LEs are on another "party road" and some saunas decided to calm down a little bit, asked us to hide their detailed information on our page and so on, so there is a big risk, that they also will close, if the wind get's too strong.No need to worry any more, the sun come back to Shanghai today, all back to normal now.

Enjoy the city.

Steven

Shaun Palmer
01-16-15, 18:58
Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.

Fast Eddie 48
01-18-15, 00:59
Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.To Shaun Palmer.

I know it will to mater of time the crack down in S China it finally hit SH also, so the sauna and KTV will be next no more FS it tough to find action in China now.

Fast eddie 48.

Brooklyn Cyclone
01-18-15, 14:48
Pros: Huge number, overall high quality, reliable agency, reliable pictures of each girls on website, most of the girls have a real job and quite highly educated, and usually they will satisfied all your need, eg, CIM, DFK, DATY, etc.

Cons: high price as well (one hour from 2000 RMB to 20000, most range BTW 3000-8000), agency fee (it's usually 1000-5000, but included in the total price, which means if you visit the same girl again, the money you pay will be the initial price minus the agency fee), I'm not sure if the reception speak english and they mainly use social tool QQ.That's pretty expensive, way over what sauna charges. Many reliable agencies in Beijing charge under 1000. Anything like that in SH?

Lao Ma
01-18-15, 15:11
Looks like the BBS time in Shanghai is over. Around Songyuan lu everything has been closed for a month now and it doesn't seem like it will open again soon. So sad to see how the city get drier and drier day after day.BBS's in JingAn area are still up and running, so I would be careful painting with such a broad brush stroke.

Shanghai Guide
01-18-15, 19:10
That's pretty expensive, way over what sauna charges. Many reliable agencies in Beijing charge under 1000. Anything like that in SH?There is a big different in the market between Shanghai and Beijing. Beijing outcall is cheaper, but all "incall venues" charge higher. I would guess, it's because the competition of the cheap pickup clubs like Manhattan and Judys and also the cheap sauna clubs make the cheap outcall agencies needless. The bargain hunters who try to get a cheap deal, will prever to go out to get it cheap, the guys who prefer the more convenience way of outcall don't care to pay some more.

We tried it with special offer of some girls on our page. One hour RMB 900 instead of 1400. The girl did not get significantly more customers in that period. Sounds weird, but it's a fact. So someone who run a agency here in Shanghai will not try to offer the "most cheap" deal, because he can never win a competition with a sauna, so he will concentrate on service, pictures, marketing and so on. Another reason will be, that the "price level" including the average salary in Shanghai is highest in China, so also the girls here expect higher rates. And in Shanghai they have many choices. If they will go to a sauna instead, they will get at least 400 RMB for a session, a outcall for 900 means she will not get more than 500 to 700 for herself, but need to loose time in taxi, will have a lot of time without customers. For that rate she can go to any sauna (if she is attractive) and get more money each day.

So I would say no chance for a reliable outcall agency here in Shanghai with rates lower than! Some will offer a rate of 400 or 600, but all I tried till now, never finally provided "full service" for that. They will upgrade again and again, and finally they will be much more expensive than the ones who promote (higher) but real rates online. And if you really get that cheap rate, you will also get only a provider in the level of what we call "street girls". This (older and more ugly ladies) you can find around the above mentioned clubs with rates of 200 to 300 for full service. But most guys will prefer to spend more for the girls inside the club. This level of girls can make money even with a cheap outcall, just because they found customers with faked pictures, and the "reject rate" is most time less than 50%, so still a deal.

Sorry to say that, but I am afraid you will not get what you expect here in Shanghai for that rate.

Nevertheless, there are so many great choices here in Shanghai!

And you will never find anything like that in Beijing!

So my recommendation: don't worry about what you miss here, better just enjoy what you get additional!

ChinaGreen
01-20-15, 04:28
I have been in Shanghai for 3 yrs now, but do not get much of a chance to do local mongering. I finally made a late night run to Manhattan's and certainly the selection was very impressive. Many, many Vietnamese and Thai women with a sprinkling of Chinese. I was not aggressively pursuing any particular one, but was quoted a range of prices from 600 - 1500. Certianly one should be able to find something appealing for the right price. I settled on an older Chinese woman, probably in mid 30's, but she had a nice dirty sexy look about her. 1000 for her and 150 for some junky short term room. Overall I was pleased with the service, BBBJ and a good sex session (was even fingering her A). Slender girl, no stretch marks, nice natural tits, but a little saggy (just made it more fun to pull on them). Only disappointing part was after I left her and walked back to the subway, she had already met some of her other industry friends on the street and told them about me, so when they saw me walking, they all ran over and tried to get me to do another session. I am sure you could probably get this girl for a bit cheaper, but I try not to haggle. I don't remember her name, but I do have her phone number, if anyone is interested.

Any recommendations on good saunas on the Pudong side of things? Any help is appreciated.

ChinaGreen
01-22-15, 16:51
OK, I wrapped up my last post with a question about saunas in Pudong. I answered that myself by referencing the great information at Shanghai guide. But maybe there others a bit more south? I will venture to some listed in the guide soon. Now I have another question that maybe some people could help. There is an interesting series of bars (Crossroads, Mimi's, etc) on Huashan Road, south of Yan'an Middle Rd and Jingan temple where the girls will come out and aggressively try to get you to enter. Has anyone been inside these before? Are these similar to other places like Manhattan's or Judy's? I am sure in a few weeks I will make the leap and check them out and report back, but just wondered if anyone has had any experience inside. As always, I appreciate any bits of info and hope to share more as I learn myself!

SamCan
01-23-15, 03:04
OK, I wrapped up my last post with a question about saunas in Pudong. I answered that myself by referencing the great information at Shanghai guide. But maybe there others a bit more south? I will venture to some listed in the guide soon. Now I have another question that maybe some people could help. There is an interesting series of bars (Crossroads, Mimi's, etc) on Huashan Road, south of Yan'an Middle Rd and Jingan temple where the girls will come out and aggressively try to get you to enter. Has anyone been inside these before? Are these similar to other places like Manhattan's or Judy's? I am sure in a few weeks I will make the leap and check them out and report back, but just wondered if anyone has had any experience inside. As always, I appreciate any bits of info and hope to share more as I learn myself!Shanghai guide is pretty clear about this. You will spend a lot of money buying the girls drinks and most likely will leave disappointed. Go to spas, judy's manhattans.

SamCan
01-23-15, 03:08
Got a nice massage and he from #28. A pretty girl from guangzho. She is careful to clean her hands often. A little much but nice to have a girl worried about such things. You know she is cleaning the last monger off. I would give her a 7. 5-8. I like her looks and body much.

She charged 200 tip for full roaming, kissing her chest and FIV. Of course she washed my hands before I could play with mei mei! She rushed a me a little though and I had to keep slowing her down. Other than that a good time and worth a throw.

Good luck.

ChinaGreen
01-23-15, 04:10
Shanghai guide is pretty clear about this. You will spend a lot of money buying the girls drinks and most likely will leave disappointed. Go to spas, judy's manhattans.Thanks for the info, I must have missed that section on the guide. I guess it is another case of if it appears to be to good to be true. It usually is!

Thanks again!

Beijing4987
01-23-15, 19:09
Sam.

Did #28 or any of the others take it all off. The ones I've had are reluctant to do so.

SamCan
01-24-15, 00:00
Sam.

Did #28 or any of the others take it all off. The ones I've had are reluctant to do so.No but she had the drawers to her knees and the shirt pulled off the shoulders and to the waist. I think its funny. Ihave asked them to lock the door when they have my blue shorts off and I am buck naked. They say it is ok.

Try to get them to take it off to the same circumstances. It aint happening!

SamCan
01-24-15, 02:11
I picked up a couple girls at different times at Judy's in my last trip to shanghai. Although both girls were very accommodating and well worth the price of admission, one really stuck out her name was NU (new). She was 25 years old and (of course) a viet girl. I am really starting to like the Viets. I have had 3 experiences now and all were good. One was 32 and a little less toned than the others but had some great techniques. But back to nu!

It was 2 am, I was ready to give up when NU started dancing near me. She had some great moves and a lot of energy for 2 am. I figured that energy would pay off.

All the girls were holding out for 1500 and I didn't want to pay it. I threw 1000 at her for a number for all night 3-4 times for FS. She said no problem. Asked for 1100 to include taxi money. Deal! And out the door.

She was 25, a rocking body, thin and about 5'3". I got her back to the room. She wanted all money up front, we agreed to half now, half later. Nice ass, face. Definitely a 7. 5 to 8!

She kissed with me fondled played with my the little brother. BJ, cowgirl, what a ride! Doggie, onto mish it was all good. Doggie was great looking at that tight little 25 year old ass as I drilled it. I flipped her to mish and finished.

It was late at night and I wanted another round. I started kissing her, she jumped right to form. I was not erect and she worked me to get me there with her hand while we kissed and fondled.

I rolled on my back and she jumped on top. That young energy came in handy as she rode me cowgirl for quite a long time. I laid back and enjoyed it. I was tired but It was great. I finished and it was all her! I never got to lay back and do so little for FS!

That was it for me. I wanted a 3rd but that was not to be. It was a good catch for 1000 RMB.

She is there for another week guys, try to find her.

Explorer88
01-24-15, 05:21
OK, I wrapped up my last post with a question about saunas in Pudong. I answered that myself by referencing the great information at Shanghai guide. But maybe there others a bit more south? I will venture to some listed in the guide soon. Now I have another question that maybe some people could help. There is an interesting series of bars (Crossroads, Mimi's, etc) on Huashan Road, south of Yan'an Middle Rd and Jingan temple where the girls will come out and aggressively try to get you to enter. Has anyone been inside these before? Are these similar to other places like Manhattan's or Judy's? I am sure in a few weeks I will make the leap and check them out and report back, but just wondered if anyone has had any experience inside. As always, I appreciate any bits of info and hope to share more as I learn myself!I've actually had good experiences in these bars having FS both in the nooks and crannies of the upstairs locations as well as takeaway. But, it generally doesn't happen on the first visit.

BkkMick
01-26-15, 15:11
Having only had mediocre experiences in Shanghai so far I had an unexpected bit of luck during my visit last week. I arrived quite late at the Kempinski Hotel around midnight. As I checked in I saw a girl sitting in the lobby obviously looking for customers. I didn't pay much attention and went up to my room where I realized that the desk clerk had not given me back my credit card which they had taken for the deposit.

As I went down and collected my card I noticed that the girl was still sitting there. I gave her a look and then went to the lobby bar but as it was past midnight and nobody sitting there anymore I decided to go back to my room. As I got into the elevator so did the girl from the lobby. She had blond dyed hair, and wore a puffer jacket. She had great long legs that were accentuated by very tight jeans and high heels she was wearing. In those heels she stood about 5'10".

I ignored her and she didn't say a word either except that she also got out on my floor. As soon as we had left the lift she she grabbed me and tried to hook arms with me. I resisted and told her that I was tired and not interested. Of course she followed me to the room not taking no for an answer. She told me that it was late and she would make me a good price. Only 1500 RMB about $250. I had a good laugh and told her to go home. She then said she would stay long time for that. I told that I had to get up early, I didn't have that much cash on me, blah, blah, blah.

The price dropped to RMB1000 and when I was closing the door on her she asked me how much I was willing to spend. By that time I had become quite horny as she had been continuously rubbing herself against me and playing with my crotch, so I told her 500 RMB take it leave it. By that time it was almost 1. 00 am and she agreed. Once in the room she wanted to have the money upfront which I refused telling her that I live in Bangkok and never pay in advance. She got a bit mad and I really thought she would leave until she started to undress.

However she wanted to shower first. That's ok with me of course. She went to the bathroom and had the full works including washing her hair which all in all took another 30 minutes. Finally she came out of the bathroom with her hair wrapped in a towel wearing a bath robe. Interestingly she had put her heels on again in the bathroom. She actually had quite a pretty face that looked very young once all the warpaint had been taken off. I was sitting on the bed where she joined me. She held on to the bathrobe and played coy as I unwrapped her. I must say it was worth the wait. She had quite a trim figure with naturally large boobs that in a couple of years will follow the call of gravity but right now are still firm. Of course she just laid there playing star fish.

She certainly was pretty enough to be just an optic fuck but now I wanted more and saw that as a challenge. I moved to DATY which at first she resisted a bit but after a short while she gave up and all over sudden became sopping wet. I must have eaten her for nearly 15 - 20 minutes as she was hovering just about to have an orgasm which finally came with great intensity. I just moved from there into mish and didn't take too long before I came.

By that time it was about 2. 30 am and I thought she would get up and leave. Wrong guess. She curled up with intention of going to sleep. Oh well. I got up, went to the bathroom, switched off the lights and expected to go to sleep. The next minute in the dark she snuggled up to me in spoon position. Well, what do you think happened? I was hard again in no time, playing with her clit and had her grinding herself against me. She then turned around giving deep tongue kisses and wanking my cock. She was wet again and at some point I almost lost control and was about to slip into her bareback. However instead I turned her around, covered up, and took her doggy style.

After that I slept dreamlessly until I noticed Mai getting up. It was about 6 am. She was getting dressed as she had to be at the office by 8 am. I asked her if she would give me her number and if she was regularly at the Kempinski.

From what I could make out it was her first time at a hotel on Pudong side. She had come over with a friend to the ShangriLa bar and then moved on to the Kempinski. Her girl friend however got a call from a guy at the Shangrla and left her behind at the Kempinski. I gather that at the time she hooked up with me she was a bit stranded and did not fancy going back home (somewhere near Hongqiao Airport) late at night by herself. She asked me if I would give her some taxi money as well and given how everything had turned out I handed her 750 RMB and some small change for which I got a smile and a peck on the cheek before she disappeared out of the door.

All in all a very satisfying experience that turned out much better than expected.

Red Hawk
01-26-15, 22:40
Hi all,

Does anyone know if this hotel has a problem bring in a friend from Manhattan?

Thanks in advance.

TomSf
01-27-15, 04:48
Having only had mediocre experiences in Shanghai so far I had an unexpected bit of luck during my visit last week. I arrived quite late at the Kempinski Hotel around midnight. As I checked in I saw a girl sitting in the lobby obviously looking for customers. I didn't pay much attention and went up to my room where I realized that the desk clerk had not given me back my credit card which they had taken for the deposit.

As I went down and collected my card I noticed that the girl was still sitting there. I gave her a look and then went to the lobby bar but as it was past midnight and nobody sitting there anymore I decided to go back to my room. As I got into the elevator so did the girl from the lobby. She had blond dyed hair, and wore a puffer jacket. She had great long legs that were accentuated by very tight jeans and high heels she was wearing. In those heels she stood about 5'10".

I ignored her and she didn't say a word either except that she also got out on my floor. As soon as we had left the lift she she grabbed me and tried to hook arms with me. I resisted and told her that I was tired and not interested. Of course she followed me to the room not taking no for an answer. She told me that it was late and she would make me a good price. Only 1500 RMB about $250. I had a good laugh and told her to go home. She then said she would stay long time for that. I told that I had to get up early, I didn't have that much cash on me, blah, blah, blah...Wow, awesome review! Great negotiation with price.

SamXy
01-27-15, 11:49
Visited a place near a fly-over (Over Bridge) and a wine shop, on the way to the bund area, exterior doesn't speak what's on store. Went to the 3 Road floor. Don't know the place, as my friend took me there, and I don't know any Chinese. The lineup was elaborate, must be around 30-40 gals. Chose a neted gal. The charges were around 350 - 450 RMB. Wend down to vip room. Had pre shower and then steamy sessions. The gal was no in a rush. Later on I came to know the sessions were time bound. I. E. For 1 HR 30 mts.

Gals. Damn good.

Service. Excellent.

Damages. 400 RMB.

Would love to visit again.

GregoryB
01-27-15, 15:05
Good review ok, but watering one's mouth. Any way superior to all the other selfies here.

Gregory.


Wow, awesome review! Great negotiation with price.

Canada
01-27-15, 16:22
Hi all,

Does anyone know if this hotel has a problem bring in a friend from Manhattan?

Thanks in advance.This hotel did not used to be girl friendly about 5 years ago. They made every girl register and they had to have passport or formal I'd.

Lao Ma
01-27-15, 23:57
This hotel did not used to be girl friendly about 5 years ago. They made every girl register and they had to have passport or formal I'd.I stayed there for the Rolling Stones concert last year, for 3 nights. No problems bringing girls back. But then again I didn't bring girls back that were dressed like sluts and hookers (like 95% of the girls at Manhattan are dressed).

Mighty Spearsman
01-28-15, 02:11
Having only had mediocre experiences in Shanghai so far I had an unexpected bit of luck during my visit last week. I arrived quite late at the Kempinski Hotel around midnight. As I checked in I saw a girl sitting in the lobby obviously looking for customers. I didn't pay much attention and went up to my room where I realized that the desk clerk had not given me back my credit card which they had taken for the deposit.

She certainly was pretty enough to be just an optic fuck but now I wanted more and saw that as a challenge. I moved to DATY which at first she resisted a bit but after a short while she gave up and all over sudden became sopping wet. I must have eaten her for nearly 15 - 20 minutes as she was hovering just about to have an orgasm which finally came with great intensity. I just moved from there into mish and didn't take too long before I came...Great story! And a key paragraph was your determination to DATY. In my experience, many Chinese girls automatically say no to DATY (maybe because they've never had it done properly to them?), but if the guy is persistent, eventually the girl will respond and that makes the rest of the session that much better.

And you actually did her a favor by letting her stay overnight. At that late hour, most buses have stopped running, and the cost of a taxi home would have been several hundred RMB. If you had turned her down completely at your room door, she might have had to spend the rest of the night in the lobby!

Shanghai Guide
01-28-15, 02:15
Hi all,

Does anyone know if this hotel has a problem bring in a friend from Manhattan?

Thanks in advance.Different to other cities, in Shanghai it's not like one hotel is girl friendly, the other is not. Here most of them change their "rules" matched to the "city status" over the year.

Most time in Shanghai no hotel has any problems with bring girls to your room, really no one care.

But sometimes there are days (or even 2 weeks) where they are "advised" by officials to be a little bit more careful (for example most time around official holidays like new year or the national holiday in autumn), than they will ask the girls to register to the room (which is also not a big deal, but many girls don't want that or don't carry a passport, so they will leave).

There are also every year some "red alert" days, for example last year when the international conference was hold in Shanghai, but also when the communist party is doing meetings in Shanghai. In this days, many hotels will not allow to register a additional guest to the room after a fixed time (I think the official rule is 10 or 11 pm), after that time than nearly impossible to bring someone in.

While the conference last year they even start to check the girls handbags for condoms, to find out, if they come over for some "special service".

But to come back to your question, matched to the above "phases", nearly all hotels change their behavior together, so it's not a big difference where you stay. If you are shy or afraid about requests from the counter or lobby staff, over all I would recommend to book a suite in a 4 star hotel instead a room in a 5 star hotel, because 4 star hotels just's don't have enough staff to care about people come and go, so here not even anyone will "look at you", if you come down to pick her up at the elevator.

Have fun,

Steven

Shanghai Guide
01-28-15, 02:16
Visited a place near a fly-over (Over Bridge) and a wine shop, on the way to the bund area, exterior doesn't speak what's on store. Went to the 3 Road floor. Don't know the place, as my friend took me there, and I don't know any Chinese. The lineup was elaborate, must be around 30-40 gals. Chose a neted gal. The charges were around 350 - 450 RMB. Wend down to vip room. Had pre shower and then steamy sessions. The gal was no in a rush. Later on I came to know the sessions were time bound. I. E. For 1 HR 30 mts.

Gals. Damn good.

Service. Excellent.

Damages. 400 RMB.

Would love to visit again.Sounds great, especially the rate is far under the normal "fee", so try to find out where you have been, I would love to check it out!

Uncle Volodya
01-28-15, 07:51
I wanted a 3rd but that was not to be. It was a good catch for 1000 RMB.

She is there for another week guys, try to find her.Nice report Sam.

I love the Viet girls too and had great success at Manhattan last time I was in SH.

Yeah I notices that they are quite firm with number of pops. 2 seems to be the limit for LT.

BkkMick
01-28-15, 10:52
Great story! And a key paragraph was your determination to DATY. In my experience, many Chinese girls automatically say no to DATY (maybe because they've never had it done properly to them?), but if the guy is persistent, eventually the girl will respond and that makes the rest of the session that much better.

And you actually did her a favor by letting her stay overnight. At that late hour, most buses have stopped running, and the cost of a taxi home would have been several hundred RMB. If you had turned her down completely at your room door, she might have had to spend the rest of the night in the lobby!Maybe I am bit spoiled because I live in Bangkok. Being persistent in trying DATY has worked for me most of the time. Even a starfish usually will give up being passive when she is about to come and yes, most Asian girls that have only been with local men are not used to it. Just yesterday I had a similar experience with a girl here in Bangkok that at first tried to pull away but finally had a powerful orgasm that left her shaking. After that she was a real kitten and could not do enough for me.

With Mai, the girl in Shanghai I realized the next morning when we talked that she would have been in a loss making situation if she had to go home with having had a customer and even if I had turfed her out after the first round she would not have had a lot of change after paying a taxi all the way home. I think that why she became so nice after I let her stay.

I asked for her phone number but somehow we did not get around to it or she did not want to give it, probably because she has a day job. For me it really did not matter that much since I was only for 2 nights in Shanghai before heading back to the land of smiles. Life is too good here!

SamCan
01-28-15, 11:30
Nice report Sam.

I love the Viet girls too and had great success at Manhattan last time I was in SH.

Yeah I notices that they are quite firm with number of pops. 2 seems to be the limit for LT.Thanks for the comment but no let me be clear, I had an afternoon (HJ) Pop at Bejing Lu around 5 pm followed by 3-4 beers and a 2 am pickup.

She willingly took me on twice and when I started for number 2. She responded in helping getting a rise out of me. I am sure when I woke her up at 5 am to toss her out (so I could sleep) she would have gladly played along for a 3rd time instead of leaving. As a matter of fact, she had agreed to 3-4 (I knew I would never make 4 but wanted insurance just in case this 25 year old kept me going)

By 5am,,,,, I was just too dang tired to care....... sometimes I really regret getting old

Shanghai Guide
01-28-15, 11:51
For all of you who plan to visit a sauna these days, better check if they will be in service or not. We just made a round call and at the moment half of all the clubs we are in touch with are temporarily closed because of the "windy weather".

There is even a rumor, that some days ago a sauna here in Shanghai has been raided and many people have been send to prison (which not happened for longer time now, except and accident of an over motivated police newbie and Pudong last year), but now seems the officials did not stop their efforts after their first successful raid.

For some clubs, we even have been informed, that they will not reopen before middle of next week. It's a little bit early for the yearly "new year storm", so now all in the branch are a little bit "irritated" about the situation, but I will try to update here, if there are any changes in the weather report.

So if you have a way to check, if your favorite place is open, better do it now, before you take a long taxi ride there! For the next 7 days this could avoid to waste time and money on the street.

Nevertheless,

Have fun.

Zhushak
01-28-15, 22:55
Hi,

If a given sauna is open, is there still an increased risk that it might be raided? Or as long as it's open it's OK?

I've made a booking using your site.

Regards

Shanghai Guide
01-29-15, 12:00
Hi,

If a given sauna is open, is there still an increased risk that it might be raided? Or as long as it's open it's OK?

I've made a booking using your site.

RegardsLast week I would have answered this question with "no risk", because it not happened for years in Shanghai, that any sauna has been "surprised" with "LE-Guests" coming over, but seems last week exactly that happened, so now I would say, there is a risk, but still very low.

You have to know, the managers risk 12 years prison, while for a customer it's only 10 days, so you can imagine, if the manager decide not to close now, he should have a reason for that. Usually the reason is a good "wire" to the local police station. Only because this system did not work one time for many years, I would not conclude that the whole system don't work any more.

Or as my sauna friend told me: Chinese new year is coming soon, the police also need cash for "hong bao" to their families!

Enjoy your mongering.

BobTheRhino
01-30-15, 08:56
Getting bored of the Pudong triangle, that is Sarcosa, Bodi and Siyuan, I thought I would head off across the river. I decided on Kang Ding due the pics of the girls and the fact it wasn't a hour in the cab into the depths of Minhang.

In retrospect not a good call. Found the place easy enough after a bit of to and fro with the mama san on wechat, close to Jing An (1 tube stop). You will need to contact her because there is no way you will find the front door, as the spa is undergoing renovations. And boy does the place need it. Probably the worst set up I have been to in Shanghai, the locker rooms, waiting room etc are very run down, as was the soapy room. Normal sauna SOP, key bangle, change into PJs, and into the waiting room. Ended up waiting for about and hour, not cool, at least I got to keep my phone with me. Got ushered in the end to the most pathetic line up ever, 5 girls all pretty normal looking, certainly not the hottest in Shanghai. Picked a t calls model as she seemed the only one vaguely interested in a loawai. Good looking girl but nothing you wouldn't find at most other saunas. Service was standard, soapy massage, cat bath, rim, BBBJ and various position ending in doggie. Girl was enthusiastic but nothing exceptional, she warmed up after with my poor attempts to speak Mandarin and was pretty sweet. No option of a second shot though. Finished up and showered and back to the dodgy change room, and then the sticker shock, even though I had been expecting it. 1580 before discount, WTF, I could have a triple at Sarcosa for that or double models at Bodi.

Did see a real belter on the way out that may have been worth the the money but I think they were hiding the best girls for the locals.

All in all a disappointing trip across the river.

Carage
01-30-15, 19:25
Last week I would have answered this question with "no risk", because it not happened for years in Shanghai, that any sauna has been "surprised" with "LE-Guests" coming over, but seems last week exactly that happened, so now I would say, there is a risk, but still very low.

You have to know, the managers risk 12 years prison, while for a customer it's only 10 days, so you can imagine, if the manager decide not to close now, he should have a reason for that. Usually the reason is a good "wire" to the local police station. Only because this system did not work one time for many years, I would not conclude that the whole system don't work any more.

Or as my sauna friend told me: Chinese new year is coming soon, the police also need cash for "hong bao" to their families!

Enjoy your mongering.I remember a few years back the whole JiYuan sauna group was taken down in one day.

Heard they sent LE across jurisdictions to make the raid and even WJ was involved, so anything could happen.

I still lament I never got to experience their then flagship store #5 Club before the shutdown.

Sigh.

Firebird
01-31-15, 19:50
Can any of the local recommend a good full service "western friendly" spa near the Hilton Shanghai Hongqiao Hotel on Hong Song East Road?

I would really appreciate it.

I know of Manhattan and Judy's. Not possible for me to bring girl back to my hotel.

Trawlerman
02-01-15, 12:00
For all of you who plan to visit a sauna these days, better check if they will be in service or not. We just made a round call and at the moment half of all the clubs we are in touch with are temporarily closed because of the "windy weather".Any updates on this situation? I'm passing through SH for just one day this week. Any tips re places still open appreciated, here or by PM. Thanks.

TM.

FatDoug123
02-02-15, 06:12
Hey,

Newbie here. In March I'm traveling to Shanghai from my Podunk little countryside town and I'm wondering if it's fine to go to saunas and just request nuru and BBBJ without FS. If not, what's my best option? I want to start slow, ya know.

Shanghai Guide
02-02-15, 08:02
Any updates on this situation? I'm passing through SH for just one day this week. Any tips re places still open appreciated, here or by PM. Thanks.

TM.All clubs we are in touch with reopened, so it should not be a problem any more now. But we expect another close down around the new year, but approximately after your visit.

Have fun,

Steven

Ducaconte
02-02-15, 12:24
Brand new BJ factory in Wolumuqi lu, in the small street on the side of famous Shanghai Hotel. Massage plus BJ citm 358 rmb.

Enjoy.

HangSeng
02-05-15, 15:43
Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.

SamCan
02-06-15, 00:07
Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.I will take a Viet from Judy's with an agreement of sex 3 times up front for all night (for 1000 RMB). I have done it twice at that price and gotten some pretty nice looking girls.

They were both enthusiastic and worth it. One (she was 27) I paid 1500 the first night (I was horny and it was early) and the second night she agreed for 1000. The other one was 25 and I picked her up at 2 am for 1000+100 taxi.

now 1000 is my max price

500 rmb to go through all I hear to catch up with a QQ girl / starfish and no orgasm. Not much a deal there huh?

Brooklyn Cyclone
02-07-15, 02:14
Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.Qq, wechat, momo, all are not reliable. At least you had a real girl. Most of time it's a scam. And if you do get a real girl, as in your case, 99% of the time they use fake pictures.

Brooklyn Cyclone
02-07-15, 02:20
Getting bored of the Pudong triangle, that is Sarcosa, Bodi and Siyuan, I thought I would head off across the river. I decided on Kang Ding due the pics of the girls and the fact it wasn't a hour in the cab into the depths of Minhang.

In retrospect not a good call. Found the place easy enough after a bit of to and fro with the mama san on wechat, close to Jing An (1 tube stop). You will need to contact her because there is no way you will find the front door, as the spa is undergoing renovations. And boy does the place need it. Probably the worst set up I have been to in Shanghai, the locker rooms, waiting room etc are very run down, as was the soapy room. Normal sauna SOP, key bangle, change into PJs, and into the waiting room. Ended up waiting for about and hour, not cool, at least I got to keep my phone with me. Got ushered in the end to the most pathetic line up ever, 5 girls all pretty normal looking, certainly not the hottest in Shanghai. Picked a t calls model as she seemed the only one vaguely interested in a loawai. Good looking girl but nothing you wouldn't find at most other saunas. Service was standard, soapy massage, cat bath, rim, BBBJ and various position ending in doggie. Girl was enthusiastic but nothing exceptional, she warmed up after with my poor attempts to speak Mandarin and was pretty sweet. No option of a second shot though. Finished up and showered and back to the dodgy change room, and then the sticker shock, even though I had been expecting it. 1580 before discount, WTF, I could have a triple at Sarcosa for that or double models at Bodi.

Did see a real belter on the way out that may have been worth the the money but I think they were hiding the best girls for the locals.

All in all a disappointing trip across the river.Thanks for sharing. 1580 is not a reasonable price! We should all boycott it.

There used to be a sauna opposite Malones on Tongren road. Passed by the other day and door was locked. No light inside. Anyone knows what happened to it?

Brooklyn Cyclone
02-07-15, 02:23
Hi all,

Does anyone know if this hotel has a problem bring in a friend from Manhattan?

Thanks in advance.I had no problem at Portman.

Brooklyn Cyclone
02-07-15, 02:32
There is a big different in the market between Shanghai and Beijing. Beijing outcall is cheaper, but all "incall venues" charge higher. I would guess, it's because the competition of the cheap pickup clubs like Manhattan and Judys and also the cheap sauna clubs make the cheap outcall agencies needless. The bargain hunters who try to get a cheap deal, will prever to go out to get it cheap, the guys who prefer the more convenience way of outcall don't care to pay some more.

We tried it with special offer of some girls on our page. One hour RMB 900 instead of 1400. The girl did not get significantly more customers in that period. Sounds weird, but it's a fact. So someone who run a agency here in Shanghai will not try to offer the "most cheap" deal, because he can never win a competition with a sauna, so he will concentrate on service, pictures, marketing and so on. Another reason will be, that the "price level" including the average salary in Shanghai is highest in China, so also the girls here expect higher rates. And in Shanghai they have many choices. If they will go to a sauna instead, they will get at least 400 RMB for a session, a outcall for 900 means she will not get more than 500 to 700 for herself, but need to loose time in taxi, will have a lot of time without customers. For that rate she can go to any sauna (if she is attractive) and get more money each day.

So I would say no chance for a reliable outcall agency here in Shanghai with rates lower than! Some will offer a rate of 400 or 600, but all I tried till now, never finally provided "full service" for that. They will upgrade again and again, and finally they will be much more expensive than the ones who promote (higher) but real rates online. And if you really get that cheap rate, you will also get only a provider in the level of what we call "street girls". This (older and more ugly ladies) you can find around the above mentioned clubs with rates of 200 to 300 for full service. But most guys will prefer to spend more for the girls inside the club. This level of girls can make money even with a cheap outcall, just because they found customers with faked pictures, and the "reject rate" is most time less than 50%, so still a deal.

Sorry to say that, but I am afraid you will not get what you expect here in Shanghai for that rate.

Nevertheless, there are so many great choices here in Shanghai!

And you will never find anything like that in Beijing!

So my recommendation: don't worry about what you miss here, better just enjoy what you get additional!Thanks for the reply. Very useful.

It's just sometimes I am so tired from work that have no energy to go out.

Never been to manhattan or Judy. When is a good time to go? A lot of work required to pick someone up? Any advice is appreciated.

Ringer5
02-07-15, 04:46
I must be having terrible luck with QQ.It's not luck, that's the way they intend it to be. I posted a report a couple of years ago describing the amount of time and money I spent through a summer trying to find a reasonable experience with a QQ girl. The success rate was dismal, however you define success. I never found one worth a second visit. The details are in the report if you search back a year or so.

SamXy
02-07-15, 10:18
Spent time with a QQ girl again, and as the last time it was less than spectacular.

On QQ we had agreed at 300 and a place to meet. After finding my way there, we were about to do the deed.

She seemed much more interested in her phone than having a good time. Just before we got started she said 'wu-bai'. So wait a minute, not less than an hour ago we agreed at 300, and now that I show up it's 500? Some kind of surprise Laowai tax?

My Chinese of course isn't great so I just handed her 400 and she didn't complain, maybe a bit miffed though.

Clothes came off and started with a quick and unenthusiastic massage. Rubber went on for a less than stellar BJ.

Once we went to the actual deed, she just sort of lay there. No riding on top or anything just there on the bed having me pump away. As humourous as it was I'm not all that inclined to do all the work myself.

After about an hour (I believe it was much less) she shoved me off asking if I finished. (Of course I didn't) Se didn't seem interested in finishing me off either. So back on went the clothes and I was out.

I must be having terrible luck with QQ.Better QQ luck next time bro. I had few very great hookup's through it. But again everyday is not Sunday.

Good luck.

SamXy
02-07-15, 11:31
My experience with we chat was good. I stayed for about 2 weeks and got hooked with a nice one. GFE experience.

SamCan
02-07-15, 15:00
Thanks for the reply. Very useful.

It's just sometimes I am so tired from work that have no energy to go out.

Never been to manhattan or Judy. When is a good time to go? A lot of work required to pick someone up? Any advice is appreciated.Heck yes it is worth it! Better to go mid week. There are fewer girls but the prices come down. See my post below. I have gotten overnight for 1000 but it takes a little shopping. Hardly what I would call work.

I offered 1000 to a couple girls Saturday night and they said, see them Sunday night. Saturday night it is 1500! Well that may be true for them but I did ok anyway and found a better looking girl for 1100 (includes taxi) at 2 am. You can get there as early as 10 pm but the place doesn't start filling up until 12. Usually the girls want more money for overnight earlier in the night and prices start to drop after 130 am. You could easily negotiate short time at 10 pm as the girls would come back to the bar for another customer.

If you can swing a Monday through Wednesday night prices and pickings are probably good. I went for a beer that timing and had good to pick from. Due to early work, I could not indulge.

I was at judy's one night with no plans to take a girl home. Just drinking beers and enjoying the night. Some guys told me the price drops to 500 rmb around 4 am. I don't know if that is true and it was a year ago. I would rather get the girl back to my place by 2 and get a couple rounds in for 500 rmb more.

If nothing else it is the best window shopping I have ever had on a Friday or Saturday night!

Asian Geek
02-08-15, 11:29
Thanks for the reply. Very useful.

It's just sometimes I am so tired from work that have no energy to go out.

Never been to manhattan or Judy. When is a good time to go? A lot of work required to pick someone up? Any advice is appreciated.Jury's is almost a Viet's exclusive.

I went in there this Friday, was a bit early at 10 pm. Git myself a beer, and the place started filling in by 10.45 or so. Girls come I groups and keep scouting their prospects. I took my time, and zero' don a target. Hot looking, a bit smallish viet. She had nice boobs, which I got to explore while she was with me drinking her beer.

Interesting to hear her story about some American boyfriend, who apparently paid her 10 K for first night. LOL. I was unmoved unmoved by this story and not interested to make first offer. Then slowly she came to topic, if I wanted to take her along. I finally negotiated it down to 1100 LT. Later when in my room, we had a good GFE time, talked a lot about her and the 'business' .

She says the business is down and some of her friends have not had ST / LT for almost the whole week and she was lucky one to get met to take her out! Nice steamy sex in room. BBBJ was not the best, but ok. Slept costly thru the night and let her out in morning. Quite a nice babe, her name sounds like 'new'.

And finally, it is so easy to take out a nice babe from judy's, as long as you are ok with Viet's. Have fun my friend!!

SamCan
02-08-15, 23:52
Jury's is almost a Viet's exclusive.

Quite a nice babe, her name sounds like 'new'.!Yes!! Haha! New is the one I had too!! Look back to my post. 1100 same price for the night. I agree on the steamy sex and the BJ. We did it twice and it was great the second time as well. I heard about the same "boyfriend" but she called him a customer.

I loved her bod and have thought about her since returning to the USA I think the boobs were silicone however, though I didn't mind at all.

I got the same business discussion. I really didn't want to hear about all the guys that had been there before me..... I know it,,, just don't need to hear it.



I am getting fond of Viets. I think I like them better than Chinese girls. At least that have been my experience. YMMV.

Asian Geek
02-09-15, 02:01
Yes!! Haha! New is the one I had too!! Look back to my post. 1100 same price for the night. I agree on the steamy sex and the BJ. We did it twice and it was great the second time as well. I heard about the same "boyfriend" but she called him a customer.

I loved her bod and have thought about her since returning to the USA I think the boobs were silicone however, though I didn't mind at all.

I got the same business discussion. I really didn't want to hear about all the guys that had been there before me..... I know it,,, just don't need to hear it.



I am getting fond of Viets. I think I like them better than Chinese girls. At least that have been my experience. YMMV.Yes. Her boobs are silicon, pretty well done. Could not figure out while playing with her initially!

NorthSouth
02-09-15, 14:59
I am a newbie here.

I am staying in Shanghai for the next year or so, and certainly love to go and visit the various saunas that were mentioned here. But so far I had very little luck. I went to Shanghai Hotel Sauna, and the door was padlocked. I saw the post on the place on Kang Ding Lu, and I spent this evening wandering the length of that road without locating the place. I would very much appreciate getting a little more information on locating places that are still operating.

Thanks so much in advance.

Acejack
02-10-15, 00:24
North South.

If you become a member I can send you a message regards the information you require.


I am a newbie here.

I am staying in Shanghai for the next year or so, and certainly love to go and visit the various saunas that were mentioned here. But so far I had very little luck. I went to Shanghai Hotel Sauna, and the door was padlocked. I saw the post on the place on Kang Ding Lu, and I spent this evening wandering the length of that road without locating the place. I would very much appreciate getting a little more information on locating places that are still operating.

Thanks so much in advance.

NorthSouth
02-10-15, 05:01
North South.

If you become a member I can send you a message regards the information you require.I do not quite understand your post: to become a member of what? And how do I join? I thought I had registered for this site. Thanks for your reply though, but please clarify.

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HangSeng
02-10-15, 18:00
It's not luck, that's the way they intend it to be. I posted a report a couple of years ago describing the amount of time and money I spent through a summer trying to find a reasonable experience with a QQ girl. The success rate was dismal, however you define success. I never found one worth a second visit. The details are in the report if you search back a year or so.She did have a real nice body at least.

Never been to Manhattan but I guess I should try, sounds 1000 x better than anything from QQ.

Shanghai Guide
02-10-15, 18:09
I am a newbie here.

I am staying in Shanghai for the next year or so, and certainly love to go and visit the various saunas that were mentioned here. But so far I had very little luck. I went to Shanghai Hotel Sauna, and the door was padlocked. I saw the post on the place on Kang Ding Lu, and I spent this evening wandering the length of that road without locating the place. I would very much appreciate getting a little more information on locating places that are still operating.

Thanks so much in advance.Kang Ding Sauna is still in operation, but like most sauna places in Shanghai now, you need to know exactly how to find them. Most of them will not have any advertisement or a "open door" to invite you (together with the police) for a casual visit. Often, you just need to ask the guards around for a specific name of a sauna manager (which you need to know in advance), than they will bring you around, if you only ask for the sauna, often they will act like they have no idea what you are looking for. But each place is different. Check the net, and you will find ways how to solve that problem, I am sure.

Shanghai Guide
02-10-15, 21:21
Thanks for sharing. 1580 is not a reasonable price! We should all boycott it.I can not really agree to that.

There are all the time different guys, different target groups and there is a need for different offers for that.

Only because most of the guys just looking for a "cheap deal", there are still guys who are willing to spend more to get more.

You can find sauna clubs in Shanghai, where guys are willing to pay 3000 to 5000 just for have sex with really very pretty part time models and everyone should be free to decide, if he like to go there or not.

Boycott should be an instrument, to avoid giving business to cheaters, but not for venues who just offer service for different target groups.

I just guided a customer there, who later went to 999 and re hai, and left both, because the girls quality from his view was so lousy, compared with what he had already in Kangding, that the did not wanted to select any girls in the other sauna clubs, so even they charged half price, for him it was not the option he was looking for.

And Kangding is also very near to Jing An Temple. I know guys who calculate their time with 2000 RMB per hour, so if they waste 30 minutes more in the taxi, than it's not cheaper any more!

BobTheRhino
02-11-15, 04:28
I can not really agree to that.

There are all the time different guys, different target groups and there is a need for different offers for that.

Only because most of the guys just looking for a "cheap deal", there are still guys who are willing to spend more to get more.

You can find sauna clubs in Shanghai, where guys are willing to pay 3000 to 5000 just for have sex with really very pretty part time models and everyone should be free to decide, if he like to go there or not.

Boycott should be an instrument, to avoid giving business to cheaters, but not for venues who just offer service for different target groups.

I just guided a customer there, who later went to 999 and re hai, and left both, because the girls quality from his view was so lousy, compared with what he had already in Kangding, that the did not wanted to select any girls in the other sauna clubs, so even they charged half price, for him it was not the option he was looking for.

And Kangding is also very near to Jing An Temple. I know guys who calculate their time with 2000 RMB per hour, so if they waste 30 minutes more in the taxi, than it's not cheaper any more!I agree with Shanghai Guide, while I found Kang Ding totally over priced, they do have some very hot women on their Wechat account and their location is very accessible. I guess different strokes for different folks. I may even give them an other try when I am feeling flush, the part timers on their feed are very very hot.

A question for Shanghai Guide. Are all the women they advertise available for Westeners or would only some of their girls be up for it?

Shanghai Guide
02-11-15, 16:28
A question for Shanghai Guide. Are all the women they advertise available for Westeners or would only some of their girls be up for it?Definitely not all of them will be available for western guys. I had it two times already, that some girls "sneaked away" from the selection stage, when I came around the corner with a western customer. My request on the manager just gave me a "they are uncomfortable", so seems they have girls who will have a problem with westerner.

Ing Hayalet
02-12-15, 10:25
I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.

Pushkin13
02-12-15, 22:31
I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.Start with www.shlf1314.net.

Hope that this helps.

Standard rate is 400.

Enjoy and report.

P13.

Masslin
02-13-15, 02:48
I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.You can search QQ girls through some websites such as "escort find", where you can find some escort girls who can provide incall services in their own places, but there is a holiday soon, so I think many girl will be home for the holiday.

Shanghai Guide
02-13-15, 13:26
I want to know how I can find QQ girl QQ address?

It is very difficult to find for me.

Thank for your help.But you should know, that QQ girls will expect you to speak Chinese, can you? The normal way is, they will just tell you the "street crossing", where they are located, not their detailed "room number", just to avoid getting caught by police. So when you arrive at the corner, you will have to call them, they will check you up from "somewhere around" and tell you where to go. This step is pretty hard, if you don't speak Chinese. And by the way, most of this "QQ-Accounts" will be handled by pimps, not by the girls directly, so it doesn't matter what your QQ contact will promise you about service or rate, later the girl can change everything.

And many QQ girls don't like to "serve" foreigners (big dick rumor and if they do, they often overcharge. And with your "foreigner punishment fee" you often will be in the range of a sauna or escort girl, but unfortunately combined with a much more "lousy" service. Also this girls often work with faked pictures or they are so strongly "photoshopped", that the 40 years old fat lady will be a 20 years young and slim baby finally, so even they use real pictures, that is not a guarantee to get what you are looking for.

All that "QQ-Stuff" is a kind of "gambling", so you can win, but often you will loose, especially if you are a foreigner How lucky you will be, will also depend on how good is your Chinese and how many time you are willing to spend for find the right girl for the "entertainment" you are looking for. As more time you spend, as more chance to find one of the very less "reliable" girls in that business.

But you should also know, that the risk to get involved in a police raid in that private "QQ-Apartments" is much higher than in any sauna or massage place (they "hide" their business, so also no "tip" for the police guys around). And the police really don't like this kind of business (different to the sauna and massage places, which are known, but mostly tolerated), and the girls work from private apartments, so often the neighbors will realize what is going on there and call the police, just to keep their "environment" clean. So I would not risk to stay overnight in one of this apartments. Caught there will cost you 10 days prison and you will be banned from enter China for the next 4 years, as far as I know.

NorthSouth
02-13-15, 17:32
I think the cautions raised by Shanghai Guide are very valid. I had run into enough scams when I arrived and tried to find a decent apartment to rent. I tried using a very well known Chinese Apartment Rental web site and had local Chinese friends making the calls. And those scammers were licensed real estate agents. The chance of being scammed and ended up paying more, not getting what you expected is much higher in this more "shady" realm, compared to other available alternatives. I had set up a QQ account, but did not use it for mongering.

And I appreciate Shanghai Guide for his many useful posts.

Sinofaguo
02-14-15, 15:34
Minhang weather says its raining LE today nearly all MPs closed in some foreigner popular street.

Ads in shlf were divided by 3 this week. Seems SH could be hit hard for this CNY.

Gubei seemed ok today (its been hit pretty hard the past weeks.).

Stay safe.

NorthSouth
02-15-15, 02:14
Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?

Shanghai Guide
02-15-15, 04:11
Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?The most upscaled saunas care a lot about that. They will send the girls to a monthly health check, and if there will be any indication like scratching or itching, she will be suspended immediately and only allow back to work, if she got a health check certificate from the hospital. So from all choices in Shanghai, the sauna clubs should be the most secure ones from that point of view.

Many of us caught something from a BBBJ already, so there is a risk, but the sauna girls have a good solution for that. They will blow you with hot or cold water in their mouth, and this water will be mixed with antiseptic mouthwash liquid. That's not a bad feeling, because it will make your little brother even a little bit more sensible, same time the risk for transfer an infection go down a lot!

Carage
02-15-15, 07:20
Do the more established operations like the more reputable saunas require regular health checks on their girls? I know this may be a stupid and unfair question: the johns do not get tested and a girl is only as clean as the last guy. Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?From what I was told back in 2012, the girls at the more established operations aka saunas get monthly health checks for STDs.

Of course as you said yourself the girl is only as clean as the last guy and some of the more annoying STDs might not show any signs until weeks later.

Long after the customer has already left China.

Waldeck2
02-16-15, 04:09
In my six years of fucking in Shanghai I have never had an issue with STD's. I return to the US once a year and get tested for STD's.

Ikksman
02-16-15, 09:11
{S N I P}Is the risk of catching a STD high with BBBJ?I am not a medical specialist in STDs and therefore do not give medical advice. However it is generally recognised that it is possible to transmit a whole range of STDs via BJs.

The levels of risk vary depending on the type of STD, the circumstances and the environment. IMHO, it is an oversimplification to simply state the risk is low (or very low, or whatever).

I suggest that you do your own research (direct consultation, internet or whatever) and then you can set your own limits of exposure risk. Thus, different individuals may set dramatically different limits depending on their personal assessments and beliefs.

I do not believe that ISG members should make recommendations in this area to other members unless they are STD medical specialists and know the precise circumstances, habits and preferences of the person.

Ikksman

P.S. Sometimes we make foolish decisions in the (sexual) heat of the moment, so my POV is that it is wise to understand the risks. Personally, I have been lucky (touch wood)!

NorthSouth
02-16-15, 14:10
Your point is very well taken, and I agree. However, when I asked my doctor, he thinks anything less than double condoms with anyone is verboten.

No one will confuse the ISG with the Mayo Clinics, and no one will be getting letters from lawyers intimating medical malpractice lawsuits. I guess everyone considers answers to questions like mine, plus $5, will get him a cup of coffee (medium) at Starbucks. (This is not to be taken as an insult to posters who took the time to comment).

Dirk67
02-16-15, 15:41
Your point is very well taken, and I agree. However, when I asked my doctor, he thinks anything less than double condoms with anyone is verboten.

No one will confuse the ISG with the Mayo Clinics, and no one will be getting letters from lawyers intimating medical malpractice lawsuits. I guess everyone considers answers to questions like mine, plus $5, will get him a cup of coffee (medium) at Starbucks. (This is not to be taken as an insult to posters who took the time to comment).Clearly your doctor is not very good, as doubling up on condoms increases their risk of breakage, as well as with using non-water based lube (vaseline, etc).

Trawlerman
02-16-15, 16:12
All clubs we are in touch with reopened, so it should not be a problem any more now. But we expect another close down around the new year, but approximately after your visit.

Have fun,

StevenThanks for that. I had a fine time. Went for sauna at an old favourite: Heting Elite. Then oil massage at 1808 Beijing Road. Then that new place near around the side of the Shanghai hotel, which was a first for me. Read about it here on the forum. The new place was a good combination: sauna-style treatment, complete with rimming, but no FS just BBBJCIM. All excellent service from very nice girls. My lucky day.

(Sorry for those of your experiencing the new year freeze...)

Ing Hayalet
02-17-15, 16:26
Dear all,

Thank for all your replay especially Shanghai Guide. I try to visit massage parlor.

Beijing4987
02-17-15, 18:54
Dear all,

Thank for all your replay especially Shanghai Guide. I try to visit massage parlor.

Ing.

Try 1808 Beijing Road. #6 there is cute and has nice breasts.

Shanghai Guide
02-18-15, 20:14
Could be some of you guys will have to find fun in Shanghai around the holiday time.

We just did a research for our page, but could be helpful also in this forum.

Here a list with Sauna clubs and their "holiday schedule" for the new year festival:

- Ming Hui Model Sauna open all days.

- Hui Hong Sauna closed on 18th.

- Red House / Re Hai Sauna closed 18th to 19th.

- Dong Gong Sauna Spa closed 18th to 20th.

- Ba Li Ya Sauna open all days.

- Rui Chao Sauna closed 17th to 26th.

- Tang Dynasty Sauna closed 18th to 20th.

- Smart Hero Sauna closed 18th to 20th.

Have fun and a happy new year to all the guys around.

Steven

HangSeng
02-19-15, 07:37
Not really mongering related. Just want to get a pedicure, is it possible at most of the foot massage parlours littered around?

Waldeck2
02-20-15, 03:14
Is usually available. Depending on the shop, will cost at least 10 rmb. They can cut mine too short.

Go figure.


Not really mongering related. Just want to get a pedicure, is it possible at most of the foot massage parlours littered around?

Beijing Fox
02-20-15, 08:22
Hi Brothers,

I've been looking for that sauna next to the cheap cloth etc. Market in Namjing West Road.

I believe it is in the building right next to the market; on the left, if you stand I'm front of the market?

Is it the entrance and elevator on the left side?

What floor is it?

Please advise the details.

I've got some tensions and need professional help.

Thank you,

BF.

NorthSouth
02-20-15, 10:48
I think it is called the Feng Ding Yuan Club. It was supposed to be on the 6th floor, but I could not find it when I tried a couple of weeks ago.

SamCan
02-20-15, 10:52
Hi Brothers,

I've been looking for that sauna next to the cheap cloth etc. Market in Namjing West Road.

I believe it is in the building right next to the market; on the left, if you stand I'm front of the market?

Is it the entrance and elevator on the left side?

What floor is it?

Please advise the details.

I've got some tensions and need professional help.

Thank you,

BF.It is in the same building, 6th floor, turn left when you step out of the elevator.

Chuckle One
02-20-15, 16:39
I don't know how I missed it. I have to go back again and look.

Thanks for the tip.Standing in front of the fake market look for the lane way running down left side of the building. Walk Dow it and go in to the buildings side entrance. Immediately inside the doors is an elevator. Take it to the 6th floor and you have arrived.

FernandoAlonso
02-20-15, 16:49
Not really mongering related. Just want to get a pedicure, is it possible at most of the foot massage parlours littered around?Not sure about foot massage places sure but every nail salon offers that service. They are everywhere, walk 200 metres you will find 5, these days sometimes labelled nail spa. And some saunas have it.

Enjoy, sometimes you can get even more so we are still mongering related.

FA.

FernandoAlonso
02-20-15, 17:00
I am not a medical specialist in STDs and therefore do not give medical advice. However it is generally recognised that it is possible to transmit a whole range of STDs via BJs.

The levels of risk vary depending on the type of STD, the circumstances and the environment. IMHO, it is an oversimplification to simply state the risk is low (or very low, or whatever).

I suggest that you do your own research (direct consultation, internet or whatever) and then you can set your own limits of exposure risk. Thus, different individuals may set dramatically different limits depending on their personal assessments and beliefs.

I do not believe that ISG members should make recommendations in this area to other members unless they are STD medical specialists and know the precise circumstances, habits and preferences of the person.

Ikksman

P.S. Sometimes we make foolish decisions in the (sexual) heat of the moment, so my POV is that it is wise to understand the risks. Personally, I have been lucky (touch wood)!Fully endorsed and to add to it. Antibacterial mouthwash, especially diluted has no measurable effect on std bacteria and of course especially on virus related ones. Risk is lesser for oral than vaginal or anal inter course but it exists. Really difficult giving a god answer as there are so many potential germs and the statistics tend to be either overdramatised or way too lenient to give a good picture. Too much politics involved. But yes, close interaction with people always exposes a health risk for infections. And mongers and the lovely ladies both are high risk groups. But there are numerous things like hygiene, wounds etc. Influencing the personal risk situation so there is really no personalised advice possible. And in the end whether your risk was 1% or 20%, when you got it does that matter?

But avoid so called risk mitigating factors like mouthwash, double condoms, antibiotic gels or the famous preventive zithropack. All not effective and even contra productive.

Play safe but enjoy the play.

FA.

NorthSouth
02-20-15, 17:16
Standing in front of the fake market look for the lane way running down left side of the building. Walk Dow it and go in to the buildings side entrance. Immediately inside the doors is an elevator. Take it to the 6th floor and you have arrived.I think my problem was I went into the main office building where there was a front desk manned by building attendants in suits / ties and took that elevator up, instead of looking for a side entrance. Duh!

Bad Boy Billy
02-20-15, 22:33
If you could call it a sauna. Easiest way to access is just walk up steps into 580 Nanjing Lu Fake Market entrance. Keep to your left side immediately inside front doors. Take first open door on your left which will take you to entrance to elevators. Up to 6th floor and you are there.

Quality of girls here over the years very ordinary. Do not expect any superstar looks or performance here. Prices continually rise also. I think RMB850 or 900 last visit. But still you can release some pressure here.

Shanghai Guide
02-20-15, 23:00
If you could call it a sauna. Easiest way to access is just walk up steps into 580 Nanjing Lu Fake Market entrance. Keep to your left side immediately inside front doors. Take first open door on your left which will take you to entrance to elevators. Up to 6th floor and you are there.

Quality of girls here over the years very ordinary. Do not expect any superstar looks or performance here. Prices continually rise also. I think RMB850 or 900 last visit. But still you can release some pressure here.From my point of view this sauna only worth a visit, if the location is a big issue for you. None of the girls, the service or either the environment is worth the spending. Compared with other locations in Shanghai, several saunas (but all outside the city center) will offer lower rates or better girls or longer or better service, so only reason for someone to go there could be, it's just around the corner or he don't know better options.

Bad Boy Billy
02-21-15, 03:58
From my point of view this sauna only worth a visit............................so only reason for someone to go there could be, it's just around the corner or he don't know better options.Exactly. I usually stay around Peoples Square and 580 Nanjing Lu is only a 10 minute walk. You can shop for an hour then go have a phuck or vice versa then walk back to hotel. But quality here over the journey has never been much good.

Beijing Fox
02-23-15, 10:23
Hi Brothers,

Thank you all for your advice.

The place is right on my way back from work.

I am thinking of dropping in now and then for a quick dinner.

I know other saunas in Shanghai, but the location is the USP here.

Thanks again and happy mongering.

BF.

Tazman099
02-23-15, 10:57
Can any of the local recommend a good full service "western friendly" spa near the Hilton Shanghai Hongqiao Hotel on Hong Song East Road?

I would really appreciate it.

I know of Manhattan and Judy's. Not possible for me to bring girl back to my hotel.Not sure if you still need this information as your post was some time ago, but you are staying right next to one of the more famous spa's. The building right next to you (where the Asia club is), 4th floor. It is finally open again after a very long shutdown. Just went there for the first time a couple weeks ago. A little expensive, but not bad.

Tazman099
02-24-15, 01:15
Any recommendations on good saunas on the Pudong side of things? Any help is appreciated.Bodi, Sacrosa, SiYuan (Merrilyn Hotel).

Tazman099
02-24-15, 02:52
I wrote a review a few months ago for two saunas in the GuBei area, which apparently was not very well received. The only comment I received was some ridiculous response suggesting that my desire for a clean spa and enjoying DATY were somehow in direct conflict with each other. To be clear, I would never even walk into one of the red / pink lit storefront parlors (such as on HongSongDong Lu near SongYuan Lu) - need a full body condom to be even close to safe. Also, while I am only an occasional hobbyist, I do have experience. I have enjoyed this entertainment in: Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Nanjing and the US.

I have received value in some of the reports written here and simply want to contribute.

Here are some reviews (in order of my personal preference):

1) DongSen club corner of Cuiyu lu and Guyang lu in Gubei. Exact address is not important as you won't even be able to get up the elevator unless they know you are coming. As I understand, this used to be a public sauna many years ago, in fact one of the locals I took there recently had been there maybe 10 years ago with his wife. The building is some sort of medical services.

* service / price ratio is 2nd to none (at least none I have seen). The 'standard' offering is 880 RMB (just up from 850 RMB) and the selection at that price is simply outstanding. There are two upgraded categories, 1380 RMB and 1980 RMB. I once tried the 1380 RMB offering and see no reason to repeat. Especially considering you can get two of the 880 RMB for 1300 RMB!

* security: until very recently I would have said it is completely safe. However as others have pointed out, the LE has been especially tough recently. I was there on a Friday night some weeks ago and the session was cut short due to an impending visit from the LE. The good thing is they are connected enough to know well in advance and we had plenty of time to get dressed and out. FYI, this is one time my Chinese skills (or lack thereof) worked in my favor. My girl had a hard time telling me what was going on and instead of kicking me out, she managed to finish a rushed session. I had been upset and planned to complain to Tony (English speaking manager) until I realized what was going on and now regret I didn't leave her a tip.

* clean: there is only one close second in this out of all the places I have been to.

* volume: although Friday and Saturday nights can be busy (and during the recent crackdown I got the feeling that since they were one of the few places open, they were much busier than normal), I found it extremely easy to develop a quick relationship with Tony and thus ensure I am well cared for whenever I go. This of course is relative based on how busy they are. But he always find time to personally look after me.

Note: I have taken a few locals there, some of which claimed to be experts in the area (hobby and geography) - all left extremely impressed.

2) Hong Song. Building next to the Hongqiao Hilton on HongSongDong Lu. I actually tried to get there since November but seems as though it had been shut down for months. Well, it is finally open again.

* Clean. Takes 2nd place.

* selection: only been there once on Thursday night, but was quite pleased with the offering.

* price: quite expensive! Given the facilities, quality of offering and proximity to my #1 (pretty much equal) - they are way overpriced at 1400 RMB (not sure the exact price as I didn't pay).

* upselling: as soon as the guy running the fishbowl saw the Laowai, he immediately pressed me for two girls. After I selected my girl, all the way to the room and for about the first 5 minutes in the room she kept trying to get me to take two.

* security: this one I am not sure about. They have two metal detectors before you get to the fishbowl, however there really is no screening process (other than forcing you to purchase a 100 RMB membership) and as they were closed for quite some time, not sure of the reason.

* volume: they seem to be set up as a high volume provider, making the likelihood of gaining 'VIP' status low.

3) Bodi. This is the only place in Pudong I have tried. Went there on a Tuesday night.

* selection: very disappointing. Not sure if it was the timing or the fact it was my first time there. Problem is, due primarily to the selection, it will likely be my only time. The only upside here was the girl I did choose jumped right into LFK.

* clean. Takes a distant 3rd place.

* language: the greeters speak English, but not the attendants.

* security: none that I could find. I walked in off the street and was ushered straight in, no questions asked. Saw no controls in place at all. However this was month's ago, perhaps things have changed with the recent crackdown.

* volume: definitely setup for high volume. Got no feeling whatsoever there was any real chance for making a 'VIP' connection.

4) Pinetrest (SP?) Went there one time on a Friday night. Was brought there by a local.

* security: without calling in advance, think there is little chance of getting in.

* selection: OK, nothing special but acceptable.

* service: seemed the price was based on number of pops (2) and not necessarily time. But I am not certain about this as negotiations took place in Chinese.

* language: don't think English was an option.

* price: not sure exactly, but was for sure more than 1000 RMB per person.

5) Hunan hotel - (inner ring Road north of Wuzhong Lu) this was an extremely short visit. After being shown to a lounge room and (reluctantly) sitting down (there is no cleanliness rating for this place) and seeing an initial offering of 3 girls. We made some phone calls and ended up at HongSong as they were finally open again.

Hope some of you find value in this.

Cheers,

Taz

Jude Bright
02-24-15, 03:10
River IWW opened after the 2010 Expo following closure of their old location further down the bund.

Tony used to run a pretty good operation with "skills girls" at a premium.

They are owned by a HK group that has other locations on the back side of town. They always had more problems with the authorities for this reason. That, in comparison to Sacrosa and Heting Elite which are owned by the same guy from Shanghai.

If you want to spend about 1200 RMB on a nice environment with a server system, go to Baom Hotel Sauna on 4th floor (not the KTV -- it's on the other floor.).

Place was remodeled with a ton of money spent on it.
.Hi Bro.

Do you know if this place still open and it is good?

Will go to pudong for one day next month and like to have a visit.

Thanks.

JB.

NorthSouth
02-24-15, 05:10
Went to a pickup bar often mentioned here during the Spring Festival. I was at a dinner party with friends earlier, so it was close to 1 AM when the urge hit. I thought it was late and it might be rushing it a bit to go to saunas, I figured I would try the bars. I do not know whether it was because of the hours or it was during the Chinese New Year lull, the pickings in the bar were slimmer than I hoped when I was there. I ordered a drink and looked around. I got approached by a South East Asian woman. She spoke passable English. While she was not someone who would leave you panting and drooling, the pickings were slim and the hour was late. We agreed on an overnight deal. That was the first time I brought a provider to my place.

She was in her 30's and looked less striking in brighter lights once we stepped out of the bar. Took the cab to my place, took a shower together and started doing the deeds. Her body was only so so after the clothes were off, and there was some stretch marks on her tummy. The service was professional enough (massage, BBBJ, no fingers inside, no DATY, not that I was that tempted, and the part that made it FS), but I did not care for the fake but loud moaning and screaming like we were in a Japanese AV film. I am not narcissistic or gullible enough to think I was such a stud and drove her to ecstasy 2 seconds upon entry. Good thing my neighbor was out of town for the New Year holidays.

Anyway the session was completed before 3, and then to bed. At first I thought it would be nice to be snuggled up next to a (naked) woman overnight, but she felt asleep quickly and started snoring rather loudly. I slept fitfully, but I thought it was rude and inconsiderate to ask her to leave at that ungodly hour. Anyway she woke up at 8 Am and said she really must go. I did not get a morning send off or even a bubbly back rub in the shower. I did not think I was a turnoff, because she left me her number to call. I have not put her in my contact list yet.

The reason why I was not being very specific in the write up was that I think I might be identifiable to her from the report, and she knows where I live. (Call me paranoid.) I feel much better with the anonymity of a sauna (or sex clubs like those in Europe.) I regret taking pick ups back to my place. That may be OK if I were staying in a hotel for a couple of days.

One other advantage in going to a sauna is the room where you pick out the girls is always brightly lit, so you can see and choose well. And overnight may not be much more than ST when the hour was late, and you do not pack a six shooter.

I am not Brad Pitt, so I do not expect picking up hot amateurs in a bar or club for causal freebie hook ups. After this so-so experience, while pick up bar is an OK option, I do not think it will be my top choice for mongering in the future. And if the period around Chinese New Year always means a slow time, I will look at a trip (Europe? Australia?) next year.

Grimmy23
02-24-15, 23:04
Does anyone have any experience with the girls advertising on Shanghai. ***************** that they can comment on? I've experienced several of the Shanghai saunas and was thinking of trying something a little different when I visit in a few weeks, especially with the apparent LE crackdown of late. A couple girls on that site look intriguing and their posted prices are competitive. I just don't know how "safe" this site is or the potential for scammed there.

I stay in the Novotel Atlantis when I visit and can usually get a he massage in the spa there, but it's HJ only, I don't get a choice, and the girls are usually older and just so so looking (although they do strip naked). I've been told I can get more with room delivery but haven't tried that yet. I have another girl I've used a couple times for tantric massage who advertises on Craigslist. She comes to my room and does nuru, prostate, and HJ release and she's very nice and pretty, but also pricey (I posted a review of her last year). I can always see her again but I'm looking for something a little differently on this trip.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Shanghai Guide
02-25-15, 05:42
Does anyone have any experience with the girls advertising on shanghai. ***************** that they can comment on? I've experienced several of the Shanghai saunas and was thinking of trying something a little different when I visit in a few weeks, especially with the apparent LE crackdown of late. A couple girls on that site look intriguing and their posted prices are competitive. I just don't know how "safe" this site is or the potential for scammed there.Definitely 95% of the girls there use faked pictures, so I would not expect the girl from the picture will come over! And also the posted prices are mostly "honepot-styled". If they finally in your room, they will find ways to explain, that this quoted price is only for a massage, the handjob will be 500 extra, get them naked again and so on! Target is to get as much as possible, so often the girls will not stop upselling, till they squeezed every RMB out of your pocket. I would say, if you try to find something pricey and safe, there should be better choices!

GregoryB
02-25-15, 06:22
Would love to get you details, but only in the ISG private mail function.

I guess you understand.

GregoryB.


Does anyone have any experience with the girls advertising on shanghai. ***************** that they can comment on? I've experienced several of the Shanghai saunas and was thinking of trying something a little different when I visit in a few weeks, especially with the apparent LE crackdown of late. A couple girls on that site look intriguing and their posted prices are competitive. I just don't know how "safe" this site is or the potential for scammed there.

I stay in the Novotel Atlantis when I visit and can usually get a he massage in the spa there, but it's HJ only, I don't get a choice, and the girls are usually older and just so so looking (although they do strip naked). I've been told I can get more with room delivery but haven't tried that yet. I have another girl I've used a couple times for tantric massage who advertises on Craigslist. She comes to my room and does nuru, prostate, and HJ release and she's very nice and pretty, but also pricey (I posted a review of her last year). I can always see her again but I'm looking for something a little differently on this trip.

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Ringer5
02-25-15, 08:36
Bodi, Sacrosa, SiYuan (Merrilyn Hotel).Until recently I would have suggested a full service sauna operating discreetly in the middle of Jinqiao, but it's re-opened after some "refurbishment" as a mediocre he massage joint. Not recommended, there are better places, more visible, on the streets nearby.

Lur King
02-25-15, 09:13
Hi all,

I've seen references to this on various Chinese sites, e. G. 黑33310;24307; (black dance hall), 黑33310;23064; (black dance girl), 黑33310;32676; (black dance group) clearly with some kinky context. But my limited Chinese doesn't really allow me to fully understand what this is all about. Can someone please enlighten me? What is this black dance and where can one find it?

NorthSouth
02-25-15, 15:11
"To be clear, I would never even walk into one of the red / pink lit storefront parlors (such as on HongSongDong Lu near SongYuan Lu) - need a full body condom to be even close to safe".

When I first started looking into mongering in Shanghai a couple of months ago, I searched on the net and found a web site. Turned out it contained very general and out of date information for Shanghai. (As an aside, ISG is a great. A shout out to the web master for putting together this treasure trove. Live long and prosper! Chaojiadu (Changshou Lu area) was described as the officially sanctioned red light district. I wandered there one night to check that out. In one of the side street was a store front parlor with several women in short skirts, sitting and looking out the window. They waved at me. I walked in just to find out more (there was a young woman who was OK looking sitting to the side) and was immediately grabbed by a very aggressive woman the second I stepped through the door. I was pushed into the back room. She must be in her 40's, spoke no English and just made the sign of a finger going into the ringed fingers in the other hand, and said 300 rmb. I tried to say I was not interested, but she was already taking off my clothes. I would have to forcibly shove her away to stop what was happening, and I might be in more trouble if the goons were then called in. The room was dark and small with a dirty twin bed. I was literally pushed onto the bed with my pants down around my knees. She did a perfunctory CBJ (Thank the Lord) for 3 minutes, and hiked her skirt and started simulating what could only be loosely taken as copulation. 5 minutes later she said time was up and if I wanted more, I have to pay to extend the session. I certainly did not want more (I wanted to go, not come.) and tore out of the place. I took a cab home, telling the driver to step on it, so I could scrub myself off good and long in the shower, as quickly as possible.

It was my introduction to mongering in Shanghai. It was among the worst experience I had. The atmosphere was unappealing, the attitude disturbing, the execution barnyard like, and the price, when broken down into rmb / min, was expensive. There was not even a pretense of welcome. I knew I was a stupid "mark" primed for rip off, but I think it takes desperate people (even for locals) to go to those joints. Never again!

Grimmy23
02-26-15, 00:15
Definitely 95% of the girls there use faked pictures, so I would not expect the girl from the picture will come over! And also the posted prices are mostly "honepot-styled". If they finally in your room, they will find ways to explain, that this quoted price is only for a massage, the handjob will be 500 extra, get them naked again and so on! Target is to get as much as possible, so often the girls will not stop upselling, till they squeezed every RMB out of your pocket. I would say, if you try to find something pricey and safe, there should be better choices!Thanks. I pretty much suspected that might be the case but it's good to verify. I'll probably just stick with what I know for now. I have seen my Craigslist girl twice. Gave her a repeat call after she exceeded my expectations the first time. She's 900 and not FS, but she's a lot prettier in person than her photo represented and gives good service. Nuru, prostate, and HJ almost to completion multiple times until you're really ready to pop.

SamCan
02-26-15, 02:27
Thanks. I pretty much suspected that might be the case but it's good to verify. I'll probably just stick with what I know for now. I have seen my Craigslist girl twice. Gave her a repeat call after she exceeded my expectations the first time. She's 900 and not FS, but she's a lot prettier in person than her photo represented and gives good service. Nuru, prostate, and HJ almost to completion multiple times until you're really ready to pop.I almost tried her based on your review. Frankly however I have gotten good FS for 1000 RMB (and 2 massage girls I built a relationship with for 600 to 800 RMB.

North south sorry about your bar experience. I have had good and bad luck there. I am now hitting much better there. A couple things I do.

1 play the field. You can find all nighters for 1000 there and ones that will actually go 2 to 4 rounds with you for 1100. If a girl is sticking to a silly price, move on.

2. Take a nap. I grab a nap from 7 pm to 1030. Then I head over. Girls start getting worried they will be going home alone after midnight. Also at my age, if I want 3 pops for my money I need to be ready.

3 be clear with the girls. If you think you can make 3 or 4 pops. Tell them that's what you want. If she is cringing at that, she is not your girl.

4 if your in Shanghai permanently tell them you want a girl for many nights. Maybe if you are both good for each other it could be her. For me, if I get a good one I will usually repeat. Price gets cheaper mid weak with her this way as well.

5 don't pick the girl who just stays next to you. Sometimes you miss the best ones later. Tell them you haven't chosen yet. You want to talk to other girls.

6 drink less. I suffer from the in the light you are shocked by what you had in the bar. Keep the beer goggles off! One or two beers but not 6!

Keep trying. You'll figure it out.

I pretty much am hitting 90 percent now. So can you.

NorthSouth
02-26-15, 13:36
My bar experience was not that bad, especially compared to my farcical foray in Changshou Lu. Thanks for your tips. They are very sensible and practical. I guess I am now not as into the bar scene. Unlike many, I am not really into the challenge of the hunt. I had a hard time turning away people I was stuck with, and I am not that good in haggling, especially with my Not-for-Prime-Time Mandarin. I feel better about knowing the price in advance, and just point and pick.

Beijing4987
02-26-15, 18:04
Hey North South.

Hang out with the massage gals getting a foot massage. They will teach you mandarin. Many are looking for boyfriends. Extras are available with tips and the possibility you are husband / boyfriend material.

SamCan
02-26-15, 18:18
My bar experience was not that bad, especially compared to my farcical foray in Changshou Lu. Thanks for your tips. They are very sensible and practical. I guess I am now not as into the bar scene. Unlike many, I am not really into the challenge of the hunt. I had a hard time turning away people I was stuck with, and I am not that good in haggling, especially with my Not-for-Prime-Time Mandarin. I feel better about knowing the price in advance, and just point and pick.North south I could have also called my tips. Everything Sam has done wrong and what I learned! LOL. I know it's hard to walk away. I have found the girls are not insulted. They would rather know up front if they are "not for you". They are working and want to know up front if they are wasting their time. Brad Pitt? I am over 50 ,bald and carrying an extra 20 pounds. I won't even consider girls over 30 anymore. I like the tight skin of the under 27 crowd.

The girls there usually speak good English. Better than saunas. You are right spring festival may have slowed it.

I have made that mistake as well. Last time I had this 32 year old that kept hanging by me 4 beers later I take her back to the hotel. She's got a see section scar. Dec nt skin tone but not great. Sex was good but I have gotten fussy I guess. I should have walked away at the bar and chose a younger version. I paid for overnight and didn't want to repeat. Like Charlie sheen says. I paid her to leave. I threw her outand went to sleep. She wasn't insulted. She probably went back to work!

I just like paying 1000 or so for the option of 3 pops. Vs the saunas. It's either one and done or on the clock and whatever you can do before times up.

Each to his own. Enjoy!

SamCan
02-26-15, 18:23
Hey North South.

Hang out with the massage gals getting a foot massage. They will teach you mandarin. Many are looking for boyfriends. Extras are available with tips and the possibility you are husband / boyfriend material.Careful! The most expensive girl I ever had was massage girl turned freebie that became a girlfriend and almost wife. Sex was great but I will never get tied in like that again. There is a saying on ISG. Don't ever fall in love with a working girl. Massage girls included.

NorthSouth
02-26-15, 19:14
An acquaintance was just bemoaning the recent expensive shopping trip his "girlfriend" and her sister took in Hong Kong with him along as the ATM machine. (Nop, he did not get a 3 some out of it). He met her at a KTV. Add to that: renting her an expensive apartment, 5 figure monthly allowance. Etc. One can get a different top model at the sauna or an outcall girl each night and have left-over for a beer.

Well, the perils of mid life crisis.

Marty47
02-26-15, 20:44
Mr clen--this ones going to cost you!

Marty47
02-26-15, 20:46
Mr clen--this ones going to cost you!Whoops forgot to add pic.

SamCan
02-27-15, 04:27
An acquaintance was just bemoaning the recent expensive shopping trip his "girlfriend" and her sister took in Hong Kong with him along as the ATM machine. (Nop, he did not get a 3 some out of it). He met her at a KTV. Add to that: renting her an expensive apartment, 5 figure monthly allowance. Etc. One can get a different top model at the sauna or an outcall girl each night and have left-over for a beer.

Well, the perils of mid life crisis.Yep this was what my girl expected. I stopped well short of this but trust me she got more thAn her due

And don't forget the loss of variety! Sure you can cheat on her but the meter is still running on all the costs plus the charges to rent the next girl. This is not mid life crisis. This is listening to the little head over the big one.

Mid life crisis Can be fun in SH . Ask me how I know.

Otwin
02-28-15, 09:04
At the east side of West Yan'an Road Station you'll find a very dark street called Zhaohua Road. Here the Chinese people live and work. You won't find any tourists here. But you will find, at the western side of the street, some hidden barber shops, with girls sitting and waiting for customers. The price is about 200rmb. The area and the rooms are dark and not very clean. But for a quick job, it's a bargain, I guess.

Have fun.Just discovered, that this part of town becomes a huge construction site. Some barber shops are closed or demolished already.

Ing Hayalet
02-28-15, 14:54
I am member of the other site. I get some address from that web page. I have some more question.

1- Which is the best and clean massage parlor.

2- I will stay in Bodi Hotel last year and I will stay in there again. But no red rope in that parlor. If any body now English Red rope please write from.

3-l will stay in Shanghai 10 days and I want to find a girl who guide me Shanghai. She spend all day and night with me. Am I find any agent to give this kind of service.

Thank you all.

Ferios
02-28-15, 19:27
Hello guys,

I'm looking for Foot Queen. (footjob master, leg teaser) But I didn't find any on Google. Can you give me tips about that?

Dirk67
03-01-15, 01:56
Was in SH around CNY, and definitely slim pickings. Will have to return and take a look during a non-holiday time.

First night decided to try the pickup bars, my only other experience in a pickup bar being HK. Whereas in HK the girls are all Filipina, here the girls are all Vietnamese. Quality was so-so, probably because of the holiday. I went around 10:30-11 pm on a weekend night, and approached the cutest girl in the place (IMO). Tall, slim, well dressed (NOT slutty) and very girl-next-door but could be a model face. Thought we had a little chemistry. But when it came time to discuss price, I was floored-- she opened with 3000, overnight. LOL. I couldn't keep but chuckle a little. And I think she got a bit miffed and asked why I was laughing. I said, it's way too much! And I countered with what everyone says the standard overnight is. 1000. She then said 1500ST. I was like. Sorry. And then she excused herself to go to the restroom and disappeared into the corner. So much for negotiating haha.

Well, I look around again, and don't see any better options, so after 5-10 minutes, I motion for her to come over. She comes over hesitantly, and I say-- before, it's too much. But I can come up a little. How about 1500 LT. She said no, without countering. So I bid her farewell. And off I went to Manhattan's around midnight since it was walking distance.

Strangely, Manhattan's was jumping compared to Judy's. I had read it was the other way around. Anyway, here, settled in for a few drinks, but nobody eally caught my eye, except for one girl. I try to get her to come over, but she just stayed with her group of friends, and after 10-15 min left with the group. I guess she wasn't feeling it. Before I headed out, I went to the bathroom, and on the way in, a real cutie came out, but I didn't get a good look. Well, as luck would have it, I bumped into her again out at the bar, and turns out she is Cambodian?? Easily the cutest one there at this point, tall, with really nice, light skin and a great body. But man, girl's got no rhythm. I wonder if this means bad news in other areas. Well, only one way to find out.

After a drink or two, and a little more "dancing", we head out without discussing price. I assume it'll be 1000-1500 LT max. We get to the hotel, and she says 2000 LT. I say 1500. We settle on 1700. I know it's a bit much but at this point I'm just tired. So I say, 1000 now, 700 in the AM. She (albeit playfully) says no, all now. I refuse. Knowing what will probably happen if I do. So instead I settle for 1000ST, thinking it's probably better for sleep.

So we take a quick shower, and we get right to it, and luckily the rhythm thing wasn't a factor. But it turns out she was on her period?? I don't think she knew in advance, but halfway through she grabs the towel that's on the bed and starts wiping, and I'm like WTF? Well it's all covered so I'm not too worried. But she got freaked out and wanted to finish me with a BJ / HJ. Anyway when we're done she's out of there ASAP, I think embarrassed by her period. Mental note to get fully tested though given the blood.

On my last day in SH, I decide to try Kang Ding. I know it got mixed reviews here, but was super curious, plus it was the closest to me and I had to go to the airport right after. Bottom line is, if you've ever gone to any of the places in Macau, Kang Ding doesn't hold a candle. I don't know if places like Sarcosa or SiYuan measure up (haven't been), but it was a far cry. Tiny lounge area, no real food or drink menu, and the rooms were lit with that odd fluorescent glow like in an old hospital. The whole place looked and felt like a mainland Chinese hospital. The actual bed and shower seemed clean however. And there were only a handful of girls given CNY, and although all were billed as super model types (the most expensive), none of them actually looked it, at least not to me. Still, I didn't have time to go anywhere else and I was already here so WTH. I picked the girl that gave me the best "what the hell" look. (If you've been to Macau, you know what I mean). Most of the girls are advertised as 18-22. She was advertised as 25, but I'm pretty sure she was pushing 30. Still looked good though, very light skin, good body, and nice boobs (though fake).

She was from Taiwan and I can speak Mandarin, so we had some report. I had to ask for the nuru (that they advertise heavily), but the actual session was quite good, she was really into it, and I don't know if that's just because I was able to give her a couple Os too. I was skeptical but she insisted and said it's never happened before. LOL. Either way, but the end, she'd come one more time, and was hot and sweaty, as was I. Got her info for the future, perhaps will see her again, and we chat from time to time. I suppose I got my money's worth! Next time will have to try some of the others to see if they're better, and I would consider trying Kang Ding again if only to see if the selection is better when it's not CNY.

Shanghai Guide
03-01-15, 02:46
Which is the best and clean massage parlor.Are you sure, you are looking for a massage parlor? Or perhaps a sauna? So better clear what kind of service in which area you are looking for. The "shop" in Bodi hotel is a sauna, not a massage parlor, so it sounds like you visit a sauna last time and now looking for a sauna again? Or really a "massage parlor", which is lower price, but also short time sex and lower hygienic level.


I will stay in Bodi Hotel last year and I will stay in there again. But no red rope in that parlor. If any body now English Red rope please write from.Sorry, but I did not get the meaning of "if any body now English Red rop". Means you are looking for a place who offer red rope service? Or you need chinese meaning of red rope? Generally the red rope service has been very popular in sauna clubs some years ago, but nearly replaced everywhere with the "nuru" service. I only know two sauna clubs who will still have "red rope service" on their menu.


l will stay in Shanghai 10 days and I want to find a girl who guide me Shanghai. She spend all day and night with me. Am I find any agent to give this kind of service. Are you willing to spend a really huge budget for that? Shanghai is not a "cheap city" for girls fun any more. A sauna girl here make at least 4.500 to 6.000 US Dollar a month, but she don't even need to speak English, so a girl who can speak English and offer sex service, will be able to make much more here in Shanghai at the moment!

So for a acceptable girl who can speak English and also offer sex service and 10 days fully booked, I would guess you have to spend at least 5000 to 10.000 US Dollar, and if you prefer a more high class and very pretty accompany, it will be double or more, I would guess.

A daytime guide is still cheap, I think you can find a nice girl for less than 100 US Dollar a day, but she will not offer sex. And nearly all girls who offer sex have no interest to spend so much time with a guy, except they get a generous payment!

Pretty young sex worker who can speak English can make 200 US Dollar in one hour here in Shanghai, so for all girls I know spending 24 hours with a guy its not a very good deal, because occupy a lot of her time and very tiring, so it must be paid very well, otherwise the girls will just have no interest for that.

If you are willing to spend so much, than feel free to contact me, I know several girls who offer sex and also can speak English, but none of them will be a "cheap deal" for 10 days 24 hours!

Lukewarm
03-02-15, 11:37
Hi Guys,

Can anybody direct me to any action around thumb plaza in pudong. Over the past few years there are a lot of massage parlours opened but only over HR at ridiculous prices.

Many thanks,

Luke

Carage
03-03-15, 00:47
Hi Guys,

Can anybody direct me to any action around thumb plaza in pudong. Over the past few years there are a lot of massage parlours opened but only over HR at ridiculous prices.

Many thanks,

LukeI assume you are asking this because you are staying at either the Radisson or the Renaissance.

I think your best bet within walking distance is Ying Hua Road, it is supposedly filled with massage parlours / barbershops.

I would prefer taking a cab to Bodi or SiYuan.

Of course sauna pricing is significantly higher.

Ikksman
03-03-15, 03:00
Hi Guys,

Can anybody direct me to any action around thumb plaza in pudong. Over the past few years there are a lot of massage parlours opened but only over HR at ridiculous prices.

Many thanks,

LukeI will be surprised if you receive much help.

Every one of your 13 posts is a request for information. Not one single contribution by you! Are you special or something?

Ikksman.

NorthSouth
03-04-15, 15:21
Finally got to the sauna at the Fake Market building. The direction is: you are on Nanjing Road West facing the entrance to the Fake Market, look to the left, and there is bank at the corner of the building. Next to it (left. West) is an alleyway / driveway. You walk down the driveway, and halfway down is the double door entrance to the office building. There is an overhead sign of a business (KTV? Club?) called "Yue" at the entrance. At the entrance there is a front desk with uniformed staff. Go to the bank of elevators to the left and go up to the 6th floor. The sauna is to the left once you get out of the elevators (there is a penny arcade to the right).

When I was there (mid afternoon), there were not too many girls to choose from. Nuru / FS was 930 rmb. The girl and the service was ok but not better compared to other places that charged 900 or less. But the location of the place was very convenient and probably the main selling point.

NorthSouth
03-06-15, 14:37
I live close to an upscale KTV, and I saw quite a few girls (real nice looking girls) going to work there at 8:30 to 9 pm. In my visits to European clubs, 8 to 9 pm was also when the girls started working (and the hours were early enough before other customers came by after dinner).

I went to a new sauna last week, I was early (for my time) at 7:30 pm. I wandered around till 8:15 pm and then announced myself. But unluckily, a group of 4 men went into the building right ahead of me. When I got to the parade room, there were only 3 girls left, and 2 were much plainer than Jane. The one I ended up would not have won any beauty pageant either.

In my setting up for my next foray, I asked the manager what will be the best time to show up to get more selections. He said 1 to 2 pm, right after the opening hour. Is he trying to get me to go then to fill the slow hours? I would not think that would be the time when there are more girls. Would the case in China be: men sneaked out to monger in the afternoon before going back to the wives in the evenings, and girls want to work afternoons so they can go home to their kids when they are let out from schools? And so what the manager said was true?

What are the veterans' take on the best time to hit the saunas?

Carage
03-06-15, 16:12
I live close to an upscale KTV, and I saw quite a few girls (real nice looking girls) going to work there at 8:30 to 9 pm. In my visits to European clubs, 8 to 9 pm was also when the girls started working (and the hours were early enough before other customers came by after dinner).

I went to a new sauna last week, I was early (for my time) at 7:30 pm. I wandered around till 8:15 pm and then announced myself. But unluckily, a group of 4 men went into the building right ahead of me. When I got to the parade room, there were only 3 girls left, and 2 were much plainer than Jane. The one I ended up would not have won any beauty pageant either.

In my setting up for my next foray, I asked the manager what will be the best time to show up to get more selections. He said 1 to 2 pm, right after the opening hour. Is he trying to get me to go then to fill the slow hours? I would not think that would be the time when there are more girls. Would the case in China be: men sneaked out to monger in the afternoon before going back to the wives in the evenings, and girls want to work afternoons so they can go home to their kids when they are let out from schools? And so what the manager said was true?

What are the veterans' take on the best time to hit the saunas?From my experience with sauna's in Shanghai.

I would agree with the manager's statement.

1 to 2:30 PM is probably the best time.

Why? Because most saunas open around noon, but not all girls arrive at noon.

But pretty much all the girls will be there by 2.

Usually by 3, the local johns show up.

So I would suggest go enjoy your lunch, give it some rest, playing "full contact sports" is not really healthy on a full stomach then go to the sauna.

NorthSouth
03-06-15, 16:56
And the manager added: You want first dip and not sloppy second.

So I think I'll try brunch next and report back later.

Brooklyn Cyclone
03-07-15, 08:21
From my experience with sauna's in Shanghai.

I would agree with the manager's statement.

1 to 2:30 PM is probably the best time.

Why? Because most saunas open around noon, but not all girls arrive at noon.

But pretty much all the girls will be there by 2.

Usually by 3, the local johns show up.

So I would suggest go enjoy your lunch, give it some rest, playing "full contact sports" is not really healthy on a full stomach then go to the sauna.I try go as early as possible, try to be first customer for the girl. Then go for lunch. Don't go after 10 - usually girls are worn out by that time and quality of service is not good.

Brooklyn Cyclone
03-07-15, 08:26
Whoops forgot to add pic.Looks hot. Russian? What's cost?

Brooklyn Cyclone
03-07-15, 08:41
I think the cautions raised by Shanghai Guide are very valid. I had run into enough scams when I arrived and tried to find a decent apartment to rent. I tried using a very well known Chinese Apartment Rental web site and had local Chinese friends making the calls. And those scammers were licensed real estate agents. The chance of being scammed and ended up paying more, not getting what you expected is much higher in this more "shady" realm, compared to other available alternatives. I had set up a QQ account, but did not use it for mongering.

And I appreciate Shanghai Guide for his many useful posts.If you cannot speak Chinese then you should forget about QQ girl. Even if you do, there are something you should know:

1. 99% of pictures are fake.

2. Majority are managed by pimps.

3. Service is not good.

4. Room is usually tiny and bathroom is not clean.

5. High risk because they are in normal apt building.

6. A lot of times have to wait for previous customer to finish.

Overall I don't recommend it.

MoonRise
03-07-15, 11:38
Are there any English websites for working girls info with statistics / address in the mainland, like there are for HK?

DougTheHead
03-07-15, 18:12
I was out on a date with a non-escort regular girl in the Marriot bar not too long ago.

I was watching the lobby and the bar, and there didn't seem to be any working girls hanging around. None in fact. I thought WGs usually hang around lobby bars of upscale hotels here?

Are there any hotels where I can find some high class Chinese escorts hanging around the upscale lobby bars?

NorthSouth
03-07-15, 20:31
I had posted my reservation about mongering with QQ girls. However, a friend referred me to a QQ girl he knew and raved about her. I thought I would try her out.

I chatted with her on QQ several times. She was pleasant enough. She was 22 years old. I asked her what will be a good time come over, or would this day and this time be good. She said yes to my time, but asked me to call before I came. It was raining rather hard that night, but because I thought we had set up a time, I wanted to keep to that. I called before I set out and she told me it was OK.

Getting to the address was easy enough, but once I was there, I was looking at an apartment complex without label of which building was which. I called, thinking that she will come down to get me. I was right on time. She told me to wait. After waiting in the rain for a while, I called again. She asked me where I was and said please wait for her. I asked a passerby and finally found the particular building. I called and said I was downstairs, and she repeated: wait for her. When she did not come down for a while, I finally figured out: she was engaged with someone up there, and I thought I had an appointment. She texted after 15 minutes and said she was ready. I then saw a guy coming down the stairs. I was getting ready to go up and another Chinese guy, speaking loudly and animatedly into the phone, brushed past me and went upstairs. I got a text from her after a few minutes saying please wait for another 20 minutes. I realized then that a hole had cut in ahead of me, even though I thought I had an appointment and had already waited. After waiting for 40 minutes, she texted again saying she was ready. Of course I then saw the guy coming down the stairs. I was quite upset waiting all these time in the rain. I thought I would just go upstairs and tell her off and leave.

She opened the door and there stood a very cute and sweet girl. My anger kind of melted away. She was behaving rather apologetically, and was very nice. The service was quite good. But during the whole time I was there, she was constantly getting calls and texts. A few times, she stopped what she was doing to attend to her cell phone, which was a big turnoff and unprofessional. I read in another web site that was a common and irritating thing with QQ girls because they had to work as the receptionist and everything else in between.

In summary, she was good because she came recommended, but otherwise it will still be hit and miss. The price was ridiculously low at 400 rmb. There is no such thing as an appointment, and there will always be the blasted cell phone interruptions. I still think sporting with QQ girls will not be my top option.

Shanghai Guide
03-07-15, 22:40
In my setting up for my next foray, I asked the manager what will be the best time to show up to get more selections. He said 1 to 2 pm, right after the opening hour. Is he trying to get me to go then to fill the slow hours? I would not think that would be the time when there are more girls. Would the case in China be: men sneaked out to monger in the afternoon before going back to the wives in the evenings, and girls want to work afternoons so they can go home to their kids when they are let out from schools? And so what the manager said was true?

What are the veterans' take on the best time to hit the saunas?There are many "basics" that will influence the "traffic" in a sauna:

- Most guests will be Chinese guy, some will be Japanese or Koreans, but very less foreigners in the most sauna clubs.

- Chinese guys often also invite or been invited to a sauna by business partners.

- Girls work every day, except their "women's holiday", so not any "weekly day off" or something like that.

- In the most sauna clubs the girls have to work around 12 to 14 hours every day.

- You will nearly never find a "local" girl in a sauna. More than 98% of the girls will come from "countryside".

- The sauna clubs all will open around noon time to latest 3 pm and than close between 1 and 3 am.

So based on that facts, there will be clear "results":

- The sauna need 2 shifts mostly to cover their opening time with girls (small saunas sometimes just open more late or the girls need to work longer).

- Most sauna clubs will have girls doing the 2nd shift and will start 1 to 2 hours later (and stay till the business end in the night).

- Because the girls have no regular "days off", they will have nearly the same number of girls in the sauna clubs every day (except the official holidays).

- So the number of girls in selection depends only on the number of customers and can not be "balanced" by the boss, for example by a holiday plan.

- Many of the visitors are local Chinese guys who will also stay here in Shanghai in the holiday time.

- A lot of "local men" are married with "countryside" women, so their wives go home for official holidays, while the guys visit their parents in town.

- So finally often local guys have more "freedom" in the holiday time (1-2 weeks spring festival in January / February and 2 weeks beginning of October).

- The best chance for a big selection is to come at a time, when the Chinese guys are not "free" to go to a sauna.

So if you try to get the best selection or want a not too tired girl, than you should consider some points:

- Directly after the opening of the sauna, all available girls are still "fit", but there will not be all arrived already (most time only the first shift will be there).

- Also many Chinese guys like to be the "first guy of the day", so better forget the idea to be the only customer in a sauna at that time.

- If you want to be sure all girls definitely arrived, better come 3 pm (as far as I know 2 pm is too early, sometimes the second shift start 2:30 or 3:00 pm).

- But at 3 pm, approximately several of the girls will have had customers already (the first shift girls), so you have a risk not to be the "first guy" that day!

- Week time afternoon most Chinese guys need to work (and guys who don't have a job mostly can not afford the spending for a sauna session).

- In weekday around 5 to 6 pm the busy time in a sauna will start, because than guys can leave their office, but their wife still will believe they are doing "overwork".

- The really busy time starting from 7 to 8, when the guys finished dinner with their partners and come over for a sauna session!

- I will go on like that till at least 11 pm, from that time on a normal sauna will get less busy very fast.

- Around midnight the first shift of girls will leave, so than the selection will go down again.

- On Saturday still many companies work, so the guys can tell their families, they are "working" when they visit a sauna, so the whole day will be very busy.

- On Sunday there is nearly no excuse for them to leave from home, so there will be very less customers in the most sauna clubs compared with other days.

My recommendation:

- Avoid the Saturday, if you are free to choose another day! That is really the worst day for a sauna visit!

- When it's very important for you to be the "first one" (we call that an "early bird session" than better arrive directly when they open the club!

- If you like the chance to be the "early bird", but also look for the largest possible selection, than come 3 pm (but with the risk you will be the "second bird".

- For guys who look for the largest selection in week time, come around 4 pm, than business guys still not there, but "early bird hunters" left already.

- Chinese people often very traditional and fixed to an early dinner time, so it's a better idea to have first the sauna session, followed by a late dinner than vice versa.

- Sunday is over all a good day, so Sunday around Chinese dinner time dinner time /5 to 6 pm) could be the optimum time, if you can make it there!

- Avoid the official holidays! This days even more local guys are free for a visit than normally, but many girls left home, so that is the most worse time at all!

But for all the guys who are not so flexible to choose their sauna time, no need to worry! In the right sauna clubs you will find some good choices all the time. I had some nightlife tours with customers in the spring festival holidays just now, and we have always been able to find a sauna, where the guys found great girls they liked!

And another tip: if you don't like the selection, just tell the manager at the selection point, that you want to wait for a second "selection round". You can imagine, if they are very busy, it also means that many girls are in a session actually (but many session also for sure will end soon). So if you wait for 20 to 30 minutes, you will mostly get a totally new selection with 90% different girls!

Have a good time and great fun.

NorthSouth
03-08-15, 05:37
Thanks Shanghai Guide for that very informative post.

You are exactly right. Saturday is a bad time. I now realize selection depends on how many guys had already shown up ahead of you, and is the luck of the draw. I showed up at a less well known sauna (here, but it appeared to be well known among the locals) at 2 pm, as I was told by the manager. There must have been 7 guys I could see there already. Some were changing along with me in the change area, and some just sat in the reception lounge. Smoking. I quickly changed and went to the fish bowl room ahead of the guys still changing, but 2 other guys were sitting there smoking.

After a few minutes, 3 girls showed up inside the fishbowl. The selection, as far as looks were concern, was not that great. The 2 guys just sat there. I thought they were indecisive and I jumped and pick the prettiest among the 3. That girl, despite not the greatest looker (in the face) had a good body and gave great service. So essentially I was happy.

Looking through Shanghai Guide's post, I now realize most girls were in sessions at the time with the earliest birds, and those guys were just sitting around when the selection was thin, waiting for the big parade in the next round. Next time I may also wait, but I really hate sitting around with those other johns and endure their unbearable smoke.

Shanghai Guide
03-08-15, 07:00
In summary, she was good because she came recommended, but otherwise it will still be hit and miss. The price was ridiculously low at 400 rmb. There is no such thing as an appointment, and there will always be the blasted cell phone interruptions. I still think sporting with QQ girls will not be my top option.From my view I would recommend to find some good massage parlors instead of try out QQ girls like that. There are some good shops in Minghang area, where you have a great choice of girls, you can select the one you like and if you don't find any girl you want to party with, just go over to the next shop beside.

And than spend a 20 to 60 minutes "one shot session" and pay 438 for that.

Not much more than your QQ experience, but no waiting time, you know what girl you will get, the service is not stable like in a sauna, but I guess in a massage parlor you will have a much lower chance to get a totally worse experience than you could (and would have some day) with QQ girls.

And for me the most important point, as mentioned below already, this QQ privat apartments get often raided by police, because they don't have "protection" and the neighbors not really like to have a prostitute beside, so if they saw guys coming and going like even you as a guest you could see in such a short time, there will be someone who call the police very fast.

And if you got caught with trousers down in a prostitution situation, we talk about 10 days prison for you, perhaps you can avoid that, but mostly they will at least cancel your actual visa, than you will have 3 days to leave China, and you will be blocked for getting a new visa for some years. I think such a lousy session is not worth to take the risk.

MilfMan
03-08-15, 09:55
Hi,

Can someone please explain the sauna concept? Is there a sauna involved at all? Except for the sex what will happened after you have picked a girl? Shower? Soapy massage etc?

Thanks!

Tazman099
03-08-15, 13:33
I just went to my favorite sauna last night (dong sen) and seems things are changing after the recent LE crackdown. Not only was it the worst selection I've seen there (although it was 11 pm Saturday night, they were not very busy). But the guy that takes care of me told me he was planning on moving to a new place. I'll probably move with him, but it for sure won't be as convenient.

Just thought people might be interested in knowing the environment may be changing.

Taz

Jude Bright
03-08-15, 15:48
Hi,

Can someone please explain the sauna concept? Is there a sauna involved at all? Except for the sex what will happened after you have picked a girl? Shower? Soapy massage etc?

Thanks!It is simple after you pick up a girl. They have a routine program. She will led you to the room or you may already in the room just let her to guide. That is usually I do.

JB.

NorthSouth
03-08-15, 16:11
And if you got caught with trousers down in a prostitution situation, we talk about 10 days prison for you, perhaps you can avoid that, but mostly they will at least cancel your actual visa, than you will have 3 days to leave China, and you will be blocked for getting a new visa for some years. I think such a lousy session is not worth to take the risk.I was wondering what the neighbors think of having a working girl conducting business in a residential building.

If I was caught, jailed and summarily kicked out of the country because of mongering, I will be fired immediately by my company back home because of the business disruption and embarrassment I caused. Having an arrest, deportation and termination like that in your resume will be a career killer. The cost will not be worth it even if the session was with the most enticing fashion model or movie star.

Thanks Shanghai Guide for the reality check.

SamCan
03-08-15, 19:06
Hi,

Can someone please explain the sauna concept? Is there a sauna involved at all? Except for the sex what will happened after you have picked a girl? Shower? Soapy massage etc?

Thanks!There are hundreds of reports here on how they work. Look back a few pages, or google it.

You will learn with almost no research.

MilfMan
03-08-15, 22:13
I have read approx 3 months' posts but all are focused on price, girls available and delivery of services. No one has, to my knowledge, addressed practical issues such as what happens after you have chosen a girl? Is sauna actually part of anything?

Jude Bright
03-09-15, 01:21
I wrote a review a few months ago for two saunas in the GuBei area, which apparently was not very well received. The only comment I received was some ridiculous response suggesting that my desire for a clean spa and enjoying DATY were somehow in direct conflict with each other. To be clear, I would never even walk into one of the red / pink lit storefront parlors (such as on HongSongDong Lu near SongYuan Lu) - need a full body condom to be even close to safe. Also, while I am only an occasional hobbyist, I do have experience. I have enjoyed this entertainment in: Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Nanjing and the US.

I have received value in some of the reports written here and simply want to contribute.

Here are some reviews (in order of my personal preference):

1) DongSen club corner of Cuiyu lu and Guyang lu in Gubei. Exact address is not important as you won't even be able to get up the elevator unless they know you are coming. As I understand, this used to be a public sauna many years ago, in fact one of the locals I took there recently had been there maybe 10 years ago with his wife. The building is some sort of medical services.

* service / price ratio is 2nd to none (at least none I have seen). The 'standard' offering is 880 RMB (just up from 850 RMB) and the selection at that price is simply outstanding. There are two upgraded categories, 1380 RMB and 1980 RMB. I once tried the 1380 RMB offering and see no reason to repeat. Especially considering you can get two of the 880 RMB for 1300 RMB!

* security: until very recently I would have said it is completely safe. However as others have pointed out, the LE has been especially tough recently. I was there on a Friday night some weeks ago and the session was cut short due to an impending visit from the LE. The good thing is they are connected enough to know well in advance and we had plenty of time to get dressed and out. FYI, this is one time my Chinese skills (or lack thereof) worked in my favor. My girl had a hard time telling me what was going on and instead of kicking me out, she managed to finish a rushed session. I had been upset and planned to complain to Tony (English speaking manager) until I realized what was going on and now regret I didn't leave her a tip.

* clean: there is only one close second in this out of all the places I have been to.

* volume: although Friday and Saturday nights can be busy (and during the recent crackdown I got the feeling that since they were one of the few places open, they were much busier than normal), I found it extremely easy to develop a quick relationship with Tony and thus ensure I am well cared for whenever I go. This of course is relative based on how busy they are. But he always find time to personally look after me.


azHi Bro.

I am going to Shanghai for one day next month and would like to try this place. Could you tell me who is Tony? Appreciate any info you may have to get in this place.

Thanks.

JB.

MilfMan
03-09-15, 09:16
I will be staying at 5* Indigo in a few weeks. How will they react if I bring a new local friend found at Jody's? Do we need to enter the hotel together? Guidance appreciated!

Mike921
03-09-15, 09:26
I have read approx 3 months' posts but all are focused on price, girls available and delivery of services. No one has, to my knowledge, addressed practical issues such as what happens after you have chosen a girl? Is sauna actually part of anything?By the time you get to the selection part, you are past the sauna (if any) part.

Then, typically, the sequence of events are:

1) She leads you through a maze to a room.

2) Asks you if you want anything to drink.

3) Leaves the room (whether you want a drink or not).

4) Returns with her kit (oil, condoms, cleaning supplies, etc.).

5) Disrobes.

6) Tells you to lie on your stomach.

7) Begins a catbath (or massage).

8) Tells you to flip over.

9) Begins a BBJ or BBBJ.

10) Installs a condom.

11) Saddles up for 30 sec of CG.

12) Says she's tired and lets you do the rest of the work.

SamCan
03-09-15, 12:21
12) Says she's tired and lets you do the rest of the work.And this is why (on average) I find Judys / Manhattans a better deal. For almost the same money. You can have a bad experience but if they think they can turn this into a repeat customer. They try harder.

NorthSouth
03-09-15, 13:14
11) Saddles up for 30 sec of CG.

12) Says she's tired and lets you do the rest of the work.It takes me a long time to reach Valhalla. Even though some saunas advertise sessions of up to 90 minutes, I often sense the girls were getting tired after a while, especially if they were the one doing the riding. I usually asked if they were tired. Most times they would gamely say no and continued. By the 50 minutes mark, I would tell them it was alright, that I had a good time, and I did not always need to have a happy ending. I then showered with them and thank them and take my leave. I know they will have to service others after me and I did not want to extract the last minute of a session, especially now that I learned they work up to a 14 hours day. To press on when a girl was truly tired would be brutish and not British.

Shanghai Guide
03-09-15, 13:51
Hi,

Can someone please explain the sauna concept? Is there a sauna involved at all? Except for the sex what will happened after you have picked a girl? Shower? Soapy massage etc?

Thanks!Definitly no "real" Sauna involved! I saw one "sweat room" one time in the second branch of the Pattaya sauna, but never ever will be really in use!

So here the main steps of your sauna visit (Excerpt from our Sauna FAQs).

When you enter the sauna, all will know what you are looking for, so just will bring you to the locker room (some saunas will not have a public locker room, than you just take of clothes in the massage room).

You will get a bracelet with a number, also used for open and close the locker.

Now you change dress to a short and veste, than they will guide you to the shower room (If the sauna has nuru, they provide shower facilities in the massage room, so no need for a public shower now).

Next you will be guided to a relaxing room, where there will be some sofa places for a rest while they prepare the selection for you and they will also offer free drinks there. (Sometimes they also will bring you directly to the girls selection).

Now a guy will bring you to the place where select the girl. Sometimes they are on a open stage, sometimes behind a "one side mirror", so you can see them, but they can not see you.

Now you select your girl. All girls there will have number plates, so just need to mention the number. Often on the plate you also will see their "level" (if they have different girls rates) like A, M, T or so for model or top model, sometimes also the rate will be writen there.

After you selected your girl, she will come to you and bring you to the massage room.

Than she will do the standard service procedure, if you not ask for some special service.

After the time is finished, she will bring you out and and another guy will take you over, to bring you to a final shower, if you want to leave or to the sofa room, if you like to relax or wait for your friends.

When you are ready to leave, they will bring you to the shower area for a final shower, if you like, if you don't like to shower, just refuse it.

Next you will come to the locker room, where you can change back to your own clothes.

After that they will bring you to the counter, where you show your bracelet, and with your number they can check which service or girls you booked, so they can show you the rate, you pay and leave.

NorthSouth
03-09-15, 14:17
I cannot really get things straight about the place. I found 2 different Chinese names for the place. One is 南28304;22269;38469;26705;25343;. The other Chinese name was in an ad from a Chinese website that did not allow copy and paste. Anyway the address, including the floor, is the same. But the price listed in the Chinese web site was lower. It was 830 rmb instead of the 930 when I was there. I do not know if it was because I did not call ahead of time, as the Chinese site said the lower price was with reservation instead of walk-in.

I mentioned that the girl I was with was only ok in looks, but the Chinese website listed 4 classes of providers: with prices from 830 to 1880. And from the photos (if real) the high end girls are gorgeous. So maybe I just had a girl from the entry level group. But the high end girls seem pretty pricey, and I am rather leery when a place goes by several names. Anyone else has a different take?

Shanghai Guide
03-09-15, 15:53
It takes me a long time to reach Valhalla. Even though some saunas advertise sessions of up to 90 minutes, I often sense the girls were getting tired after a while, especially if they were the one doing the riding. I usually asked if they were tired. Most times they would gamely say no and continued. By the 50 minutes mark, I would tell them it was alright, that I had a good time, and I did not always need to have a happy ending. I then showered with them and thank them and take my leave. I know they will have to service others after me and I did not want to extract the last minute of a session, especially now that I learned they work up to a 14 hours day. To press on when a girl was truly tired would be brutish and not British.Before you leave without happy ending, just "help them" by finish for yourself with their support! You really don't do the girls a favor, if you leave without even one finished shot! Most sauna girls feel guilty and like "loosers", if you leave without the happy ending, so they apprechiate a lot, if you "help them" to come to a happy end for you! And finish for yourself while she stroke or lick you balls or she play with your little sister to turn you on can be a great feeling, especially compared with go home "unsatisfied"!

MilfMan
03-09-15, 23:39
And this is why (on average) I find Judys / Manhattans a better deal. For almost the same money. You can have a bad experience but if they think they can turn this into a repeat customer. They try harder.That is my conclusion to. So now my only query is about transporting the subject past the front desk of a 5* hotel. Guidance appreciated!

SamCan
03-10-15, 10:38
That is my conclusion to. So now my only query is about transporting the subject past the front desk of a 5* hotel. Guidance appreciated!I have walked the girl straight through the lobby without a problem. Worse case, I have had to sign her in. All these girls carry I'd in case of such an issue. Never had a problem.

The only time I ever had an issue was when a girl was with me and it was her second time to that hotel that night (coincidently). The hotel told me if they signed her in they had to notify the police as she was probably a working girl.

I sent her away with taxi money and called it a night. Had I chosen earlier in the night I could have avoided this but it is what it is.

Sam Can.

Shanghai Guide
03-10-15, 11:15
That is my conclusion to. So now my only query is about transporting the subject past the front desk of a 5* hotel. Guidance appreciated!At the moment in Shanghai no need to worry about that!

Different to other Chinese cities, here no one in the hotel care who come to the rooms (at least most time).

Officially there is a rule, that guest who stay in the room late evening have to be registered as guest, and also a restriction, that starting from 11 pm it is not allowed to register new guest to a room. In practice, however, no one continues this rule here in Shanghai, if there is not a special "order" for that. In Shanghai we have normally different "alert" levels for that.

- Around 350 days a year we are on "green alert". That means almost every hotel will tolerate girls come with guest or alone all around the day and night.

- Sometimes (especially around official holidays or important events of the communist party here in Shanghai) the hotels will be advised to register the guest, we call that "yellow alert". Than mostly the 5 star hotels and some of the 4 star hotels will ask girls who enter the hotel after 10 or 11 pm to register as a guest to the hotel room and for that they need to show their passport. That would actually be no problem, because till now I never heard about any case where a girl got problems because of that (and many girls just will do it), but often there will come up one of this two problems: First, many girls don't take their passport or I'd with them, so no way to do that, so they have to leave. Second, several girls will avoid to register, because all this information will be finally collected by the police, so it would be easy for them to check their database and suspect, who could work as a prostitute, just because the girls registered in different hotels together with different guys in a short time. So this girls also will leave, even they would have an ID available!

- Sometimes the hotel will be advised to really follow the rule. In this "red alert" time, it will be impossible in nearly all hotels here in the city to bring a girl in late night. In that time many 3 or 4 star hotels even will refuse to accept western customers as guests. That normally happens not more than 3 to 5 days a year, for example last year while the Asian CICA Conference has been hold here in May 2014, but can also be around official holidays, but for example this year while the spring festival the city was not even on "yellow level". A high risk for the "red level" are the days with official communist party events, especially when Xi Jin Ping or other "leaders" of the party will be in Shanghai. Obviously, the local government than want to show a "clean city".

At the moment there is nothing like that scheduled for the next weeks, so no need to worry about anything, it doesn't matter where you will stay!

Have fun,

Steven

HangSeng
03-10-15, 17:50
I'm planning on booking a hotel for a weekend. Have roommates, so my place us no go.

Any recommendations for a decent hotel? Will I face any issues bringing a girl to a 3 or 4 star places compared to a 5 star?

Carage
03-11-15, 00:28
I'm planning on booking a hotel for a weekend. Have roommates, so my place us no go.

Any recommendations for a decent hotel? Will I face any issues bringing a girl to a 3 or 4 star places compared to a 5 star?In my experience, a 3 or 4 star place is generally less uptight than a 5 star on the issue of bringing female guests who may be staying overnight.

Some of the local 4 stars don't care at all.

NorthSouth
03-11-15, 15:08
I had a very good time with a nice girl in a sauna a few weeks ago. She mentioned she came to Shanghai less than 2 weeks prior. I asked her how she liked the city, she said it was too expensive, and she did not know anyone. I tried to be supportive, saying she would meet new friends, and because her service was very good, her business will pick up. She said I was very nice and asked me for my number.

We chatted online a few time. I sensed that she was still not adjusting or doing so well with her circumstances and again I felt sorry for her and tried to be encouraging. She then contacted me earlier this week and said she was really feeling terrible because her cell phone broke down and could I buy her a new iPhone 6 Plus. I told her I could not afford to do that, but I could have her come over to do an overnight, even though I had not planned on anything and I had work early the next day. I was going to give her higher than the going rate, and she would not have to give the club a cut. She said that was too little and she wanted more. So I politely declined.

Even though one may think dealing with working girls in a private relationship may bring nice GFE, those liaisons may be quite costly (as this girl's opening salvo may foretell) and messy. I think I will stick with dealing with them in their place of work.

JPopp
03-11-15, 17:09
I've been in Shanghai for close to a year now. I lurk here occasionally and thought it was about time I provided some info.

I've probably had about 15-18 or so Sauna visits since moving here, and around 10 of those have been in the last 3-4 months. Here's some general info on them.

Red House / Rehai (2 Damuqiao Road, near Zhaojiabang Rd) - I've only been here once about 2 months ago. Not super easy to find just motion to the guys hanging around outside the building and they will take you inside and down into the basement. To be honest I found this place to be quite dirty. The locker rooms and shower rooms were very dark and dingy. There is a guy there called Jimmy that speaks English so ask for him and he will guide you around. The girl selection when I was there around 1 pm was not impressive, maybe 7 or 8 total and probably only 2 I considered. The room I had was very small, basically the bed filled the whole room except for the small entrance where the door opened. The girl, while not super hot, was very enthusiastic. Didn't do the nuru option, just fucked in a bunch of positions, the usual. 2 shots is OK. Cost I believe was 748 with a shanghai guide discount card (normal 798) Will I return. Probably not.

More to come.

JPopp
03-11-15, 17:25
Tang Dynasty / Tang Palace (6/ F,No. 2407,Qishen Road, near Baonan Road. Actually Qi Xin Road seems to work better in Google maps) - I've also only been here once, probably 9 months ago, actually it was only my second sauna visit here I think. It's a freaking long way out. Entrance is easy and secure, just nod at the guys in the entrance with walkies talkies and they will send you up on the elevator to the 6th floor. No one spoke English but they seemed very foreigner friendly, used a translate app to explain prices / services etc.

This place is very high class. Super clean and organised. The selection is in an open room and was a little nerve wracking so I rushed the selection a little and wasn't super happy with the girl I chose. There are different price levels for the girls also. There is not communal shower, you stay in your normal clothes for the selection and head straight to the room for the shower. Sessions here start with the nuru, BBBJ etc before moving to the bed. This was a long time ago now so I'm a little foggy on the details. I think I came about 35 minutes into the session, at which point the girl started packing up so being inexperienced I kind of followed her lead. Big mistake, as I believe 2 shots here is also no problem. (sessions are supposed to be 80 minutes).

Price was 880 I believe, ranging up to 1180 for the different girl levels.

I would definitely like to return here, I saw some very cute girls as I was being led around that weren't in the selection, maybe they were just starting or finishing sessions. The place is definitely the nicest and classiest of the saunas I've visited here so far. At least if the location is clean, it makes you feel like the girls are clean even if they aren't.

The only problem is it is such a long trek out there, well over an hour on the subway for me or about a 60-70 RMB taxi.

JPopp
03-11-15, 17:46
Baliya / Badiya / Pattaya business chamber (389 Zhaojiabang Road, near exit 5 Jiashan Road subway) - all my other sauna visits have been here, maybe 15 or so.

It's reasonably easy to find, head down the driveway of 389, turn right, through the parking gates and all the way through the car park, usually there will be guys standing around guiding you. I really like this place, I think it's somewhere in between Tang and Rehai. It's a little run down but not in a dirty way. The lockers and showers are brightly lit and very clean, and they just got all new pajamas. Some of the rooms are a little drabby and dark (with the red light), if I end up in a really dark room I ask to change and it's usually OK. BTW, I don't speak any mandarin, and 99% of the staff and girls here don't speak English. The security feels like it would survive any kind of raid quite well the way its located and laid out inside.

The fishbowl is quite small, usually there will be a selection of 10-15, sometimes more, never less than 10. There's always a couple of really cute girls in the lineup. I usually go first thing in the morning around 11-11:30 when they open so not sure about other times. I've had big range of experiences here, super hot, super pretty girls that were absolute starfish. Plain janes that fucked like pornstars, plus some cute girls that were very GFE, and several in between. I also had my first threesome here, which was terrible, the girls just kept giggling the whole time and instead of me interacting with both of them at the same time usually it was one getting in the way while I was fucking the other one.

Price used to be 650 before 6 pm, 700 after. It recently went up to 700 before 6 pm, 750 after. Sessions are 70 minutes, but the clock starts when you get in the room, so you lose the 5 minutes when she goes out the change and the bell rings with 5 minutes left, so really 60 min sessions. 2 pops are OK. At first I used to always pop during the first BBBJ, but lately I've been holding out and getting 2 fuck sessions. They do the whole catbath routine for half the session if you let them so just say you don't want it if you want to get the most bang for your buck.

The lower price and location plus the usually good service are the reasons I keep going back here, 90% of my visits have been enjoyable so I usually say if it's not broke don't fix it. But in saying that I do have a couple new places I'd like to check out. I think I will return here for sure though.

JPopp
03-11-15, 18:06
So I'm going to single out one girl for a review from Baliya. This is the only girl I've seen twice and the second time I requested her and didn't look at the fishbowl (girls really seem to like that BTW, as I believe they get a returning customer bonus). She is #998. I wouldn't say she's beautiful, but she is very pretty, quite tall, and speaks some reasonable English. She's not the type I usually go for, which is the more petite / cute kind of girl. She looks a little slutty if I'm honest Of course YMMV but both my sessions with her were incredible, managing to be PSE and GFE both at the same time.

I won't go into too much detail, but I'll describe a little of the first session.

Started off with the usual music (they play the same playlist in every session I think), and she does a little dance / strip together, at this point there was some LFK. After some BBBJ, me standing, her kneeling, I turned her around on the bed ad gave her pussy and ass a good licking, which she seemed to thoroughly enjoy. More BBJ with me on my back on the bed, before switching to 69, her on top. At this point she stuck her own finger in her ass! Jackpot! So I followed her lead and got my own finger in there.

Into the sex, the usual missionary, cowgirl etc and then doggy, at this point I started fingering her ass again which she seemed to encourage, so I thought why the hell not and asked her if could fuck her ass. I have never done anal by the way but have always wanted to. She said OK! Now her English is pretty good but she obviously didn't hear me correctly because as soon as I went to stick it in her ass she pulled away and gave me a little WTF look, not an angry one, but a smiley cheeky one. I went with the "come on. Just a little bit line" to which she finally agreed. WOW, so there I am fucking this pretty hot girl in the ass, in multiple positions before blowing my first pop.

A little rest followed by more of the same. She couldn't wait to get her pussy and in my face again, and I was happy to oblige. Before fucking again in numerous positions, a little more anal, and then a BBJ/ CIM to finish.

My second session went much the same, although we tried anal this time but couldn't quite get it in it was still an amazing session. She doesn't really like to DFK but when she gets lost in the moment she goes for it.

Again, you may have a different experience with this girl (especially the anal) but for me she was amazing and I'd highly recommend her.

Seeksc56
03-11-15, 18:08
Just a "heads up" or rather "head down", I just checked out the Shanghai Hotel sauna and it was closed. Other than that I don't know when or if it will reopen.

I always thought the 'leg and dick' massage was the best deal I have found in China. It is also cheaper if you get the full service option first during the same visit.

NorthSouth
03-12-15, 14:25
Thanks for the review of the different places you had been to. I agree with you Rehai will not win any prize for facility and decor, but the number of available girls when I was there was more than most other places I had been to (there was even a couple of European? Girls that night.) I think the number of girls available is the luck of the draw, depends on whether you showed up at a busy time. The qualities of girls when I was there were not bad, nor was the service I got. I had the nuru package for 850. I would go back to see if the fairly good selection and service are consistent.

Dirk67
03-12-15, 19:59
By the time you get to the selection part, you are past the sauna (if any) part.

Then, typically, the sequence of events are:

1) She leads you through a maze to a room.

2) Asks you if you want anything to drink.

3) Leaves the room (whether you want a drink or not).

4) Returns with her kit (oil, condoms, cleaning supplies, etc.).

5) Disrobes.

6) Tells you to lie on your stomach.

7) Begins a catbath (or massage).

8) Tells you to flip over.

9) Begins a BBJ or BBBJ.

10) Installs a condom.

11) Saddles up for 30 sec of CG.

12) Says she's tired and lets you do the rest of the work.I find that if you treat the girl with a little extra flirting / kindness, she will enjoy the session more, and not give you the "I'm tired line". I've had about 75-80% success with things like treating her like a lady, kissing (not on the mouth but neck and behind ears), giving her a short massage (5-10 minutes) and yes, DATY (pretty low risk of STDs, and almost no risk for HIV). I kind of approach it as a challenge to make her cum before we've even really started. That usually loosens her up pretty good, LOL. I've had a couple of girls tell me that they've never cum while working before, and this was the first time. Flattery? Maybe, but might be true too, and it makes the session a lot more fun.

TomSf
03-13-15, 02:42
I find that if you treat the girl with a little extra flirting / kindness, she will enjoy the session more, and not give you the "I'm tired line". I've had about 75-80% success with things like treating her like a lady, kissing (not on the mouth but neck and behind ears), giving her a short massage (5-10 minutes) and yes, DATY (pretty low risk of STDs, and almost no risk for HIV). I kind of approach it as a challenge to make her cum before we've even really started. That usually loosens her up pretty good, LOL. I've had a couple of girls tell me that they've never cum while working before, and this was the first time. Flattery? Maybe, but might be true too, and it makes the session a lot more fun.Dirk67,

About DATY. First I never understood why a guy would want to eat a hooker out. But, if you been with enough call girls there will always be those times when you pull out and notice blood on the condom. Now if you get that blood in your mouth from DATY and you have lets say bad gums or any cut in your mouth your taking a risk. Definitely not worth the risk me me anyway. Good luck with that though.

If girl are about to start their period or just finish their period then blood is common. Before I hear you guys never seen any blood from working girls or any girl for that matter.

JohnnyAchan
03-13-15, 08:43
Just a "heads up" or rather "head down", I just checked out the Shanghai Hotel sauna and it was closed. Other than that I don't know when or if it will reopen.

I always thought the 'leg and dick' massage was the best deal I have found in China. It is also cheaper if you get the full service option first during the same visit.Bad news: It's been closed for about a year now, and there are no plans for reopening it, according to an insider.

HangSeng
03-13-15, 09:49
In my experience, a 3 or 4 star place is generally less uptight than a 5 star on the issue of bringing female guests who may be staying overnight.

Some of the local 4 stars don't care at all.So Jin Jiang will be fine? Only complaint is no free WiFi.

GregoryB
03-13-15, 18:01
WiFi is negligible compared to the hobby cost. Haha, but it bothers me too.

Do you have a VPN?? Sometimes you need especially when you want to use Google services.

If you want an absolute independent escort send me a PM, she is my ATF.

Gregory.


So Jin Jiang will be fine? Only complaint is no free WiFi.

Waldeck2
03-14-15, 07:49
I generally like to eat it first, before I stick it in. Some do, some don't. Those that do do do like it. I like giving it and three times is no uncalled for from those that do. Grab your ears, push that pussy in your face and groan. Then they fuck you silly. OK, well, if not silly, at least to gratification. Never tasted a bad pussy in China. But some don't like it and just want to fuck. OK. I can go with that. Completion and satisfaction by both is possible. Not every time, but possible. The gems are really fucking good.

PukiMonster
03-14-15, 22:22
This post is not really specific to the Shanghai forum. However, I appreciate that it is in response to a sermonizing post by another member.

All intelligent members have their own standards and rules regarding DATY, and we do not need sermonizing regarding risks. Totally useless, boring and irrelevant sermon.

Puki

P.S. I agree with your approach Waldeck. Chinese mei mei are 99.999% reliable (the international standard for fail-safe operations)!


I generally like to eat it first, before I stick it in. Some do, some don't. Those that do do do like it. I like giving it and three times is no uncalled for from those that do. Grab your ears, push that pussy in your face and groan. Then they fuck you silly. OK, well, if not silly, at least to gratification. Never tasted a bad pussy in China. But some don't like it and just want to fuck. OK. I can go with that. Completion and satisfaction by both is possible. Not every time, but possible. The gems are really fucking good.

GregoryB
03-15-15, 08:06
I second the statement of useless sermons, not giving any relevant information about either recommendations of e. G. Good hotels or MP's or Saunas etc. I assume we all like to get specific Contact Info for great Girls / Lady's.

PM me and I'm sure I got at least 2 independent ones, one I just found and the second one is my regular since long time.

Gregory.

BionicMan
03-15-15, 08:40
Dirk67,

About DATY. First I never understood why a guy would want to eat a hooker out. If you can't understand why it is not much of our problem, but fully yours.

Did you try evening classes?

Keep on typing with one hand. It can be safe, but wash it first.

Beijing4987
03-15-15, 10:03
What's long and hard on as young man. (pick an ethnic one if you choose) Answer: The Third grade. Can we get back to the program and act like adults. Please PM your comebacks, insults. The rest of us here are doing our business. This place is about sharing. Humor and irony is ok, I guess. Meanness is not ok. I'm wasting space addressing this issue once more. Long pants, short pants all have a place here. That's my comment worth two Mao.

Dirk67
03-15-15, 10:21
Dirk67,

About DATY. First I never understood why a guy would want to eat a hooker out. But, if you been with enough call girls there will always be those times when you pull out and notice blood on the condom. Now if you get that blood in your mouth from DATY and you have lets say bad gums or any cut in your mouth your taking a risk. Definitely not worth the risk me me anyway. Good luck with that though.

If girl are about to start their period or just finish their period then blood is common. Before I hear you guys never seen any blood from working girls or any girl for that matter.To each their own. The same guys who won't DATY with these girls seek out BBBJ, which can also be risky if she has cuts in her mouth.

Recently, I did have an experience where there was blood on the condom (she was beginning her period and didn't realize it). Needless to say, getting tested (and I get tested regularly).

That being said, many sources indicate oral to be low risk even with blood present:

http://sfaf.org/hiv-info/basics/how-is-hiv-transmitted.html

http://www.sfcityclinic.org/stdbasics/stdchart.asp

It appears BBBJ is much higher risk than DATY. Now, cleanliness. That is a whole other issue, but as others have said, I've found it to be a non-issue in China/Macau so far.

Also... by taking care of the girl too, it has led to much more GFE like sessions and in Shanghai I now have a girl who keeps asking when I'll be back.

Shanghai Guide
03-15-15, 10:35
Dirk67,

About DATY. First I never understood why a guy would want to eat a hooker out. But, if you been with enough call girls there will always be those times when you pull out and notice blood on the condom. Now if you get that blood in your mouth from DATY and you have lets say bad gums or any cut in your mouth your taking a risk. Definitely not worth the risk me me anyway. Good luck with that though.

If girl are about to start their period or just finish their period then blood is common. Before I hear you guys never seen any blood from working girls or any girl for that matter.Perhaps one helpful fact for that discussion.

For all the guys who are afraid of STDs, the higher level sauna clubs are the best choice!

Because different to all other providers in that "business" in Shanghai, many of the sauna girls need to do a regular health check. Most sauna managements expect them to do that one time a month, so even there is still a (much smaller) risk, that they "caught" something between the last test and your session, it is still much more safe for your health status than any escort or "pickup girl" who never did a health check or at least not for years.

Tazman099
03-15-15, 16:10
Before you leave without happy ending, just "help them" by finish for yourself with their support! You really don't do the girls a favor, if you leave without even one finished shot! Most sauna girls feel guilty and like "loosers", if you leave without the happy ending, so they apprechiate a lot, if you "help them" to come to a happy end for you! And finish for yourself while she stroke or lick you balls or she play with your little sister to turn you on can be a great feeling, especially compared with go home "unsatisfied"!Due to some medication I take, it can take me an excessively long time to finish. However I have not once had a girl in a 'good' sauna give up. In fact, in one session the girl received a call from the 'front desk' letting her know the time was up. She refused to end the session before my completion.

Tazman099
03-15-15, 16:22
Hi Bro.

I am going to Shanghai for one day next month and would like to try this place. Could you tell me who is Tony? Appreciate any info you may have to get in this place.

Thanks.

JB.Had issues with my account and was unable to reply. Please check your PM.

Taz

Jude Bright
03-15-15, 20:30
Had issues with my account and was unable to reply. Please check your PM.

TazGot your PM.

Thanks.

JB.

Jude Bright
03-15-15, 20:32
Perhaps one helpful fact for that discussion.

For all the guys who are afraid of STDs, the higher level sauna clubs are the best choice!

Because different to all other providers in that "business" in Shanghai, many of the sauna girls need to do a regular health check. Most sauna managements expect them to do that one time a month, so even there is still a (much smaller) risk, that they "caught" something between the last test and your session, it is still much more safe for your health status than any escort or "pickup girl" who never did a health check or at least not for years.I think many of us would like to know which one are doing the regular check. Do you know and could you tell which one are doing that?

Thanks.

JB?

Ringer5
03-16-15, 13:07
There are frequent discussions about BBS vs massage shops on this forum. There is a place halfway down Jintai Road which is a mixture of the two. The girls sit in the doorway with white shirts and black skirts, they offer "massage" but the only item on the menu is FS. Cost is about 500 rmb, attitude and facilities are better than the typical BBS. Shower before and after! Might be a useful alternative for some members.

Grimmy23
03-16-15, 14:44
I'm staying in the Novotel Atlantis this week (Corner of PuDong Rd and Fushang Rd.). It's the third time I've stayed in this hotel so I've gotten to know the area quite well, and it's a fairly easy walk to Si Yuan from here. There's something in this area that I've always been curious about though. Hoping someone can enlighten me.

Across the street is a narrow alley called Qixia Rd. It's lined on both sides with small shops, restaurants, etc. Within a 1 - 2 short block area there are about 8 or 9 small massage shops. They advertise their prices outside in English. Most say something like "full body massage with oil 100 RMB / hour. A couple of them have signs saying something like "massage to your hotel room. " I'm not sure I'd call them BBS. I know the BBS scene but these look different as they don't have spinning poles or any barber chairs. They all appear to be quite small and have 2 - 4 bored looking girls sitting on couches trying to wave me in as I walk by. The vast majority of them are not attractive at all, but I was window shopping tonight out of the 20 or so girls I saw there were 2 or 3 who were young and very pretty. My little head wanted me to go into one shop when a pretty, nicely dressed, young girl was motioning for me to come in, but my big head intervened and said I'd better do my research first.

Now I've been around China a bit so I'm not naive enough to think I'll get much with a decent looking girl for 100 RMB, so I'm sure there's some kind of upsell involved, but can anyone tell me more about these places and whether it's worth searching for a diamond in the rough here, even with lower expectations than normal? I'm thinking even if they upsold me a bit and I had some fun with one of the girls I saw, it might not be a bad thing to try for once. What do all of you Shanghai experts think? Is it worth a shot or will I regret walking into one of those places?

Also, since those places are so tiny and probably not very clean, I'm assuming they'll push the takeout, which I may be fine wth. The thing s I have colleagues staying in this hotel with me so I don't want to come walking in with one of the girls wrapped around me. Would they understand if I say please come up 5 minutes later?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.

Carage
03-16-15, 15:49
I think many of us would like to know which one are doing the regular check. Do you know and could you tell which one are doing that?

Thanks.

JB?I've been told 999, Bodi, SiYuan (all owned by the same boss) require girls to do monthly checkups.

NorthSouth
03-17-15, 13:48
.....999, Bodi, SiYuan (all owned by the same boss) ........When all three joints are owned by the same person (group?) , do the girls rotate to the different locations to keep the selections "fresh" in all of them? If that is the case, I might as well stick with the one closest to where I am.

Kampi88
03-17-15, 16:10
Guys,

I'm just got touched down at Shanghai and staying near Wusong Road area. Are there any saunas around this area? I'm lost here as Google Maps does not work and I don't know how far / close I am to the other saunas listed in the forum.

Carage
03-17-15, 16:54
When all three joints are owned by the same person (group?) , do the girls rotate to the different locations to keep the selections "fresh" in all of them? If that is the case, I might as well stick with the one closest to where I am.Southern and Xin Yupin (New Jade Screen) are part of their group as well.

They're huge.

Yes, the girls do rotations, and I sometimes follow the girl (s).

At the time I was friendly with a couple of girls so I could ask where they are working.

Lao Ma
03-18-15, 01:27
I'm staying in the Novotel Atlantis this week (Corner of PuDong Rd and Fushang Rd.). It's the third time I've stayed in this hotel so I've gotten to know the area quite well, and it's a fairly easy walk to Si Yuan from here. There's something in this area that I've always been curious about though. Hoping someone can enlighten me.

Across the street is a narrow alley called Qixia Rd. It's lined on both sides with small shops, restaurants, etc. Within a 1 - 2 short block area there are about 8 or 9 small massage shops. They advertise their prices outside in English. Most say something like "full body massage with oil 100 RMB / hour. A couple of them have signs saying something like "massage to your hotel room. " I'm not sure I'd call them BBS. I know the BBS scene but these look different as they don't have spinning poles or any barber chairs. They all appear to be quite small and have 2 - 4 bored looking girls sitting on couches trying to wave me in as I walk by. The vast majority of them are not attractive at all, but I was window shopping tonight out of the 20 or so girls I saw there were 2 or 3 who were young and very pretty. My little head wanted me to go into one shop when a pretty, nicely dressed, young girl was motioning for me to come in, but my big head intervened and said I'd better do my research first.

Now I've been around China a bit so I'm not naive enough to think I'll get much with a decent looking girl for 100 RMB, so I'm sure there's some kind of upsell involved, but can anyone tell me more about these places and whether it's worth searching for a diamond in the rough here, even with lower expectations than normal? I'm thinking even if they upsold me a bit and I had some fun with one of the girls I saw, it might not be a bad thing to try for once. What do all of you Shanghai experts think? Is it worth a shot or will I regret walking into one of those places?

Also, since those places are so tiny and probably not very clean, I'm assuming they'll push the takeout, which I may be fine wth. The thing s I have colleagues staying in this hotel with me so I don't want to come walking in with one of the girls wrapped around me. Would they understand if I say please come up 5 minutes later?

Thanks in advance for any feedback.Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Why don't you just check one out, and report back to the group?

Mighty Spearsman
03-18-15, 14:59
I'm staying in the Novotel Atlantis this week (Corner of PuDong Rd and Fushang Rd.). It's the third time I've stayed in this hotel so I've gotten to know the area quite well, and it's a fairly easy walk to Si Yuan from here. There's something in this area that I've always been curious about though. Hoping someone can enlighten me...

... I'm thinking even if they upsold me a bit and I had some fun with one of the girls I saw, it might not be a bad thing to try for once. What do all of you Shanghai experts think? Is it worth a shot or will I regret walking into one of those places?

Also, since those places are so tiny and probably not very clean, I'm assuming they'll push the takeout, which I may be fine with. The thing s I have colleagues staying in this hotel with me so I don't want to come walking in with one of the girls wrapped around me. Would they understand if I say please come up 5 minutes later?For your first set of questions, it's absolutely no question. Yes you should try out one of those places. Keep your wallet and passport in your hotel, put a photocopy of your passport face page and the maximum amount you're willing to spend / lose (200 RMB? 300 RMB?) in your pocket (as I'm sure that there will be some up-selling / request for a tip) and go check out one of the places. I look forward to reading your report here soon.

As for the girl coming to your hotel, yes you could probably give her your room number and ask her to come up in 5 minutes, but it depends how risk-adverse you are since there are co-workers in your hotel. Up to you.

SeeRio
03-19-15, 04:47
You got me intrigued! Any way to get directions? Since this post was 1 year ago.


Well, lo and behold, the manager of a local Spa hit me up on WeChat last night and said Business as usual. I've not been to this one, but had added the manager for future use. Originally he had said 'Service to foreigners temporarily suspended' but last night the suspension was lifted.

The spa is located in an apartment building, and the manager came out to get me (after a series of SMS in which I strained Google Translate to the maximum). First, an elevator up to a residential floor, then into what appeared to be an apartment but after entering no less than two 'hidden' doors I found myself in a mini-sauna. No actual sauna facilities, mind you, just a locker room with one attendant then off to the room to wait.

The room is pretty good huge bed, huge shower / water massage table room, mirrors everywhere. The line-up was brought to me, and I picked Wen Wen from Chongqing because of her face perfect. Big lips, big eyes, dimples, bangs. Sigh. He body was not porn-star remarkable but perfectly fit and hard.

Enveed05
03-19-15, 14:05
MightyWind2,

That was one of the most amazing informative and helpful posts I've ever read on one of these forums! Kudos to you site.

Thank you!


hi fellas,

want to share my personal mongering info and experiences in shanghai with the community. i've lurked on this and the other semi-defunct site for a while, so it's time to give some info back again. i made a rundown post of sorts on the other site a couple years back so figured i'the update that (some new info and some info that hasn't changed) and share directly with this community since this site has provided me so much invaluable info. most of this is just personal experience in shanghai. i don't claim to be an expert, so please feel free to correct any misinformation on locations, prices, etc. if any of my info is wrong.

again, respect and thanks to the man 'iloveshanghai' not sure if he's on this particular forum / site but when i began mongering here, his posts on the other site got me started right.

my background: i've lived in shanghai for almost 6 now, the first year and a half in puxi and the rest in pudong. i started mongering after moving to pudong, since in puxi, i generally pulled tail from bars, clubs and ktvs. most of my mongering these days is in bbss and call-home girls which i'll explain why later. i'm chinese, but i was born and raised overseas, however i am conversant in chinese. this probably needs to be kept in mind because it influences the ways local girls will interact with me versus perhaps a non-asian person won't doesn't speak very well. it's easier for me to ghost into situations...

Tazman099
03-19-15, 15:06
I've been hearing about this sauna recently and was wondering if anyone has current information about the place. I heard they even have non-Chinese girls (Korean was mentioned).

Before anyone gives the useful advice of RTFF, I'm fairly up to date on the posts and am looking for current info.

Thanks,

Taz

Grimmy23
03-19-15, 15:25
OK, I'm headed back home in the morning but had the opportunity to check out 3 different types of fun while I was here.

Day 1: Hu Jing. She's an independent who is listed on Guide's site. She lists her price as 600 for a HJ and extras at her discretion based on "chemistry" and extra tip. Her pics looked hot so I figured what the hell. I'll try something new. I texted her around lunch time and she was available for an 8:30 appointment at my hotel that evening. She actually showed up around 8 which was a little annoying because I was just barely getting back to my room then. She was just kind of loitering around my floor waiting for me to show up. I would have preferred that she called if she was going to show up early but oh well, not a huge deal.

Anyway, she's every bit hot as her pics indicate, possibly even more so. Face 10/10, body 8.5/10. I'm not giving her a 10 because her ass is a little flat for my taste. I prefer a little bit of booty but a lot of guys would consider her a 10 body. She has a nice sweet personality as well. She promptly got naked and gave me about a 10 minute back massage, then flipped over and started propositioning sex. She wanted an additional 1200 for FS which I thought was quite steep and I negotiated down to 800. The sex was quite hot, and we did it in 4 different positions all without disconnecting. It's not something I've been able to do with very many girls but this one is a total spinner. After I came we took a shower together and she got dressed and was on her way.

Overall assessment: I'd say the experience was "OK. " She's definitely a hottie but it went kind of fast, so not the best bang for the buck IMHO. Could have used a little more time and been a lot more GF like. She also wouldn't let my hands roam below the waist for whatever reason which was a little disappointing.

Day 2: The spa next to the Novotel Atlantis. This may sound weird, but in my many trips to Shanghai this has become my go to place. It's hard to miss. A huge "Foot Reflexology" sign just to the right of the hotel driveway. Go in and you'll find it's a mix of a legit place and a he place. If you get the "royal massage" for 380 you will be shown upstairs to the locker room. Typical spa routine there. Strip and put your clothes in a locker, take a shower, a male attendant meets you with a towel and your PJ's and helps you dry off (I always thought that was a little creepy but it's the deal in quite a few places in Shanghai). Then he leads you down to the massage room where a girl will be waiting. If you don't like her, tell him and he'll take you to another one. The girl I had this time wa #18 - I'd say mid-late 20's and quite cute.

In the room I dropped my PJ's and laid face down. She gave an outstanding back massage that just about put me to sleep. Really a professional quality one. After 15 - 20 minutes I felt tits rubbing up and down my back. Wow, I didn't even realize she had taken her top off yet. A few minutes of that and reaching under to fondle the boys and she had me flip. More rubbing up and down on my chest, followed by her sucking my nipples and licking my balls and inner thighs. Holy crap! I've had my balls licked many times before but I've never had it feel quite like that. Her tongue was so hot and wet and I had to fight not to cum right there. Finally, she finished with a nice slow HJ while licking and sucking my nipples. She kept her skirt and panties on and wouldn't give me access down there, but I was in heaven from her skillful touch so I was fine with that.

The nice thing about this place was no hassling for a tip. On a previous visit a year ago I had an older and not as attractive girl here who got naked and allowed full roaming but negotiated a 200 RMB tip in advance. This time the girl didn't ask for a tip and seemed surprised when I gave her one (200 RMB) at the end. I asked the manager about that and he said the girls aren't allowed to ask for tips. It's purely up to the customer. Interesting. Anyway, this place has become old reliable for me. I know I can get a good professional massage with a skilled HJ here from a pretty girl for a reasonable price.

Day 3: I tried one of the small massage shops on Qixia Rd. I described earlier. There are about 8 or 9 of them on the street immediately across from the hotel. If you cross the foot bridge at the end of that street you'll find about a dozen more on the other side, all with a few bored looking girls sitting around and many with the stereotypical red light. The girls will usually try to get your attention as you walk by. Looks range from old and butt ass ugly to young and pretty hot (with the majority leaning towards the butt ass ugly category). If you walk up and down the street a couple times you can zoom in on the girl you want and go into that shop.

Oil massages in all of these places is 100. You're escorted to the back room to change into the paper shorts and get a half-ass oil rubdown. About 5 minutes in there's a knock on the door and another girl wants to join for an additional tip. I politely declined as I had limited cash on me. Then the flip, the girl's top came off and her skirt came up and she started stroking away with the clear intent of finishing me off quickly. Unlimited roaming was allowed. About 2 minutes of stroking and it was all over. Total damage 200 RMB - 100 for the house and 100 tip. Worth it? I say not really. With my favorite place right down the street and knowing I can get much better for 380 + tip including a very professional grade massage I don't think I'll be going back. The one thing I can say though is it was fun window shopping over the course of the week, and at the end there was a small thrill in getting the girl I'd been eyeing all week long out of her clothes. Maybe that was worth a little bit right there. These places are all rundown and dingy looking, and I question the cleanliness and safety of going there.

HongLong888
03-20-15, 04:00
"1) DongSen club corner of Cuiyu lu and Guyang lu in Gubei. Exact address is not important as you won't even be able to get up the elevator" unless they know you are coming. As I understand, this used to be a public sauna many years ago, in fact one of the locals I took there recently had been there maybe 10 years ago with his wife. The building is some sort of medical services.

How can one contact the club to get an appointment?

Shanghai Guide
03-20-15, 05:22
I've been hearing about this sauna recently and was wondering if anyone has current information about the place. I heard they even have non-Chinese girls (Korean was mentioned).

Before anyone gives the useful advice of RTFF, I'm fairly up to date on the posts and am looking for current info.

Thanks,

TazI guess you are talking about the Tang Dynasty, in Qi Shen Lu, right?

I have been there last week, nothing special to say about that.

Still one of the most "relaxed" places, because normally not so busy in the lineup like some other places around, the girls quality is still high, the prices are the same.

The selection most time not to many girls (8 to 15), and yes, they often have some "foreigner" Asian girls, sometimes from Korea, also from Thailand or the Philipines.

At the moment they are often very careful, so that you need a code in the first floor.

To "motivate" the guard to call the elevator up, this code you need to get by a manager by phone or wechat in advance, otherwise no chance to go there.

Anything else you need to know?

Enjoy Shanghai,

Steven

Chuckle One
03-20-15, 17:52
"1) DongSen club corner of Cuiyu lu and Guyang lu in Gubei. Exact address is not important as you won't even be able to get up the elevator" unless they know you are coming. As I understand, this used to be a public sauna many years ago, in fact one of the locals I took there recently had been there maybe 10 years ago with his wife. The building is some sort of medical services.

How can one contact the club to get an appointment?If you look up the listing for this sauna on the shanghai -happy massage website you will find managers ph# and qq #.

Jude Bright
03-21-15, 02:07
If you look up the listing for this sauna on the shanghai -happy massage website you will find managers ph# and qq #.I called the phone# list on the web site two days ago and the lady who answer the phone said there are closed for now and do not know when it will open. I sent the qq# request twice and no one reply back. Anyone know what is going on?

Jb.

Mute333
03-21-15, 13:33
Hi all,

I'm a first timer here in shanghai and was hoping if some of you guys could let me know about the price range for places like 999, Bodi, Siyuan, etc.

Thanks!

Tazman099
03-21-15, 14:13
I guess you are talking about the Tang Dynasty, in Qi Shen Lu, right?

I have been there last week, nothing special to say about that.

Still one of the most "relaxed" places, because normally not so busy in the lineup like some other places around, the girls quality is still high, the prices are the same.

The selection most time not to many girls (8 to 15), and yes, they often have some "foreigner" Asian girls, sometimes from Korea, also from Thailand or the Philipines.

At the moment they are often very careful, so that you need a code in the first floor.

To "motivate" the guard to call the elevator up, this code you need to get by a manager by phone or wechat in advance, otherwise no chance to go there.

Anything else you need to know?

Enjoy Shanghai,

StevenThank you, that's exactly the info I was looking for. Does the manager speak English?

Tazman099
03-21-15, 14:22
I called the phone# list on the web site two days ago and the lady who answer the phone said there are closed for now and do not know when it will open. I sent the qq# request twice and no one reply back. Anyone know what is going on?

Jb.I was just there on Wednesday, they are for sure open, but I guess on the decline. This was my 2nd time there since CNY and there's no question in my mind the quality is deteriorating. Even when not busy the selection is poorer than before and I expect one of the managers is leaving.

Carage
03-21-15, 15:24
Hi all,

I'm a first timer here in shanghai and was hoping if some of you guys could let me know about the price range for places like 999, Bodi, Siyuan, etc.

Thanks!You are talking 900 and up.

Around 1500 for two girl service.

Foot Massage or Ear Cleaning starts at 128 or something.

There is usually a 500 foot massage package that includes HJ.

Mute333
03-22-15, 01:47
Hi all,

Since I've read some of the posts on here and thought of them to helpful, I thought I'd give a report of my experience in Shanghai.

I've been to a couple of oil rub places that I've seen from threads here so I won't bore with you those since there's plenty of those places around.

The other night on QQ, I came across a chat-room that's hosted by the place I went to. I'm Chinese American and my Chinese is good enough to chat with. The place isn't anything special like a spa or a sauna where you have lockers and rest areas but I would consider it to be clean and proper. There are about 10-15 girls there every night and you choose from behind a small glass partitioned room. I would rate the girls at about 6 or 7 overall. The set cost for any of the girls is 700 for 80 minutes. Pop as many times as you like. They promote themselves to be Dongguan style but I can only consider it as a couple of notches below. However, I still find it to be a very satisfactory experience considering the reasonable price.

The place is located in Puxi, Chang ning area. Its on Xianxia lu off of gubei lu. Its in an office building across from a family mart. Walk-ins cost 880, an appointment cost 700. Now I'm not sure if they take laowais considering that they don't seem to speak English. Since I'm not a paid member, I don't know if I'm allowed to post my QQ number for you guys to reach me either. So if you guys have a way of letting me give you the details, let me know.

Hopefully, I was at least of some help in helping you find a place, albeit without the exact details. Haha!

Shanghai Guide
03-22-15, 01:59
Thank you, that's exactly the info I was looking for. Does the manager speak English?Unfortunately I met no one there till now who speak English. But that is normal for the most sauna clubs, because they are focused on Chinese clients.

Carage
03-22-15, 16:28
Unfortunately I met no one there till now who speak English. But that is normal for the most sauna clubs, because they are focused on Chinese clients.The manager at 999 speaks some English, and appears to be fluent in Japanese.

I think some of the staff there speaks English as well.

Tazman099
03-23-15, 08:27
Unfortunately I met no one there till now who speak English. But that is normal for the most sauna clubs, because they are focused on Chinese clients.Thank you for the information. I understand the language challenges and just wanted to be prepared.

Cheers,

Taz

HongLong888
03-23-15, 16:56
Please PM me with address and contact info. I will be there next month, and can speak some Chinese.


Hi all,

Since I've read some of the posts on here and thought of them to helpful, I thought I'd give a report of my experience in Shanghai.

I've been to a couple of oil rub places that I've seen from threads here so I won't bore with you those since there's plenty of those places around.

The other night on QQ, I came across a chat-room that's hosted by the place I went to. I'm Chinese American and my Chinese is good enough to chat with. The place isn't anything special like a spa or a sauna where you have lockers and rest areas but I would consider it to be clean and proper. There are about 10-15 girls there every night and you choose from behind a small glass partitioned room. I would rate the girls at about 6 or 7 overall. The set cost for any of the girls is 700 for 80 minutes. Pop as many times as you like. They promote themselves to be Dongguan style but I can only consider it as a couple of notches below. However, I still find it to be a very satisfactory experience considering the reasonable price.

The place is located in Puxi, Chang ning area. Its on Xianxia lu off of gubei lu. Its in an office building across from a family mart. Walk-ins cost 880, an appointment cost 700. Now I'm not sure if they take laowais considering that they don't seem to speak English. Since I'm not a paid member, I don't know if I'm allowed to post my QQ number for you guys to reach me either. So if you guys have a way of letting me give you the details, let me know.

Hopefully, I was at least of some help in helping you find a place, albeit without the exact details. Haha!

Blacklisted
03-24-15, 04:02
A few of us are thinking of taking a short road trip to Baoshan or Jinshan next Saturday night to try our luck in the hunt for CP style KTV's. Read: hot cute and young at not too high prices. Unlike Shanghai proper, which can be crazy expensive.

Does anyone have any info?

In addition, if anyone has any links to Chinese nightlife bulletin boards that would contain this kind of info, please also PM me.

Thanks!

ABC69
03-27-15, 22:02
Perhaps we should stop flashing the address, especially in the title!

Fz.I'm back in Shanghai after about a one-year absence. Since things change so rapidly in China with the LE crackdown and temporary closings, can someone give me address to some good, clean HJ massage places that charge no more than 500 RMB? I prefer places that are not frequented by foreigners.

Thank you