East China - Shanghai

[NorthSouth]

For those who read Chinese or watch local news, the LE of Shanghai had announced a major concerted crackdown on traffic law violations. You might have noticed the very visible increased police presence on the road. That is long overdue, given the atrocious traffic conditions and reckless disregard of civility, safety and traffic laws by drivers and motorbikes. I know traffics division is separated from vice squads, but I wonder whether this shift in focus might not provide some relief of the recent pressure on sinful places and us mongerers.

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !!

[Member #4689]

With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

1. We should not deviate from the real topic and start a long discussion on 'language' issues. The weather format reporting into this forum was not introduced by me, also it was extensively used in general discussions whereby the members had little personal 'skin in the game' if you will. While I liked the creativity of the language and immediately understood its meaning (but that's me and I am not a native speaker), I would not necessarily use it if I could be more open. Also, we should not underestimate the level of intelligence of our diverse member pool. As an aside this was one of the questions during my 'interview' with the weatherman: they wanted to know what my highest education level was (primary school, high school etc).

2. After struggling for a while I decided to go 'public' with my experience, for the sole reason to warn others of real risks. Now given the scarcity of such events (can not remember reading here about a member having same experience) it is easy to brush it off. But this a so-called tail-end risk, rare but with large impact if it happens to you.

3. Exact time / place are not so relevant. It is a bit off center Shanghai and has never before been covered here. Foreigners were rare there as well. After the storm the place was gutted.

4. It was not a lousy small place but rather fancy with good talent.

5. Somehow, something broke down in their operations. I also do not know why they attracted the dedicated attention of the Shanghai specialized weather bureau. Their pre-op intel and handling was excellent and swift. There were no obstacles at the storm site for them!

6. Never have I seen adult males so meekly and small! Being belittled by female school teachers (yeah. Language! One male visitor was ordered by a young female teacher to stand with his face against a wall for over an hour (just like in primary school), just for practice, go figure! Seeing people boarded and hooded was like Gitmo except for the orange jump suits.

7. I was kindly informed that the weather man know how to deal with visitors with listening disabilities, incl. Enlisting help from concerned relatives and work colleagues. Nuff said, you can figure out the festive atmosphere over there!

8. All our personal details were recorded, they especially liked to capture our well groomed faces and fingers.. Also my foreign passport was given ample study time... They complimented me on my visa status..

9. My stay was brief in the sense that it was not overnight (did not bring extra clothes), but still took most of the day. The many others (visitors and staff) were awarded free two weeks lodging!

10. The elephant in the room question is of course why I could only briefly enjoy their hospitality. THIS I can not answer here, but suffice to say I did not break any rules in a technical sense.

11. No offense to others and I do not want to change your behavior, I only wanted to show the other side of things. Hope this can be appreciated on its OWN merits.

As the Germans say : "wer lesen kann ist klar im Vorteil" meaning : those who can read are clearly advantaged !

Stay safe and enjoy the Spring weather!

[Jmac12]

Hoping to find a MP that does prostate massage-not as something that might be negotiated as an extra, but part of the standard service.

Thanks a lot.

[Levitian]

BTW, I noticed that the Shanghai thread has now exceeded 10000 posts. Excellent. Onward and forwards. !!There have been much more posts, not only 10000+. I think this is now the 2nd or even 3rd Shanghai thread.

In former times one still could find the closed threads of the past in the China overview, but I guess that Jackson now has finally removed them from the list. Makes sense, as things are very different than before, and many of the infos collected back then are useless, today.

Lev.

[The Guy]

With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

In any event, man, very sorry for what you went through.

[Carage]

With the passing of time comes reflection, perspective and further insight. Let me first of all thank the resident seniors who were so kind to reach out with support and request for more details. Although I wanted to keep it short and general, the follow-on discussion has tended to go a bit off track and I would like to add some further remarks within my limited publicity space (which everyone in my situation would consider as well, thank you).

Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Though I do not have the un-pleasurable experience of visiting the "weather bureau".

I believe I have heard enough stories inside Shanghai legal circles to talk about this very important issue.

Alright, enough of the metaphors.

First of all, I will start with the legal side on what is supposed to happen if you are caught.

But we should be reminded that rule of law in China is not a well-established concept.

Especially when it comes to administrative penalties or criminal procedure.

So what could really happen can be totally different to what the law or regulation says.

Your experience can vary widely given the political goals of the agency vs the personal needs of the individual officers.

Here is what is supposed to happen:

Anyone caught in a prostitution case is generally subjected to administrative penalties by the PSB aka the police station.

You may be detained up to 15 days and charged a fine of 5,000 RMB, and the police may inform your family / employer.

They may also inform the exit and entry bureau and your Chinese visa would be in jeopardy.

You may be permanently banned from visiting China again, though I have also seen cases of 2 year waiting periods.

Then there is the foreign diplomatic issue.

Typically, foreign embassies and consulates require Chinese law enforcement agencies to contact them within certain days if one of their citizens are detained.

These are governed by individual treaties, I attended a seminar that talked about it recently.

I only remember the countries I care about.

So, for US citizens, the US consulate must be notified within 4 days.

Canada is kind of vague, I think the exact language is ASAP.

Japan is also 4 days.

I don't really remember the rest, but with the exception of a few countries that say ASAP.

The general rule is Chinese authorities are supposed to inform them within 4 - 7 days of detainment.

So technically, say if you are American, and they only detain you for three days they are not in violation of the treaty if they don't let you contact the Shanghai consulate.

Now there is the part of what could happen:

Generally, most of my sources tell me most law enforcement agencies do not like to get any foreign diplomatic service involved.

Because their bosses may get a political black eye if any foreign media picks up any human rights abuses or procedural violations, which there will be too numerous to count.

And because of the 4 day rule, it also gives the individual officers a chance to prey on detainees.

Like the story I shared before. A former colleague was arrested in a sauna bust.

He did not speak Chinese but the police did not provide him with any translator.

He was thrown in jail and ignored for three days.

The fear got to him, and he managed to buy his release and a clean record for 60,000 RMB.

He got away with no rap sheet, but he could not explain away his three day disappearance to his boss and was subsequently fired.

I think he could have said he got kidnapped which is actually a somewhat accurate depiction of what really happened.

But then maybe he was worried to get involved with the police again should his boss force him to press charges.

Also, from what I heard, the police do not like to target foreigners in general.

1. They generally believe it is not worth the hassle, especially if the detainee does not speak Chinese.

2. With the economic growth in China, being a foreigner in China no longer automatically means you are rich.

If the individual officers are interested in pure financial gain (aka a shakedown).

It actually makes more sense to target someone with a deep local bank account.

Most business travelers do not have local bank accounts, and they cannot easily distinguish expats and business travelers / tourists.

Therefore the maximal amount of extortion money they could get is subject to whatever spending limits are placed on your foreign bank card.

So they could go through a lot of trouble without any substantial reward to justify the risk and trouble of quasi-legal detention.

BUT, occasionally the PSB do get political directives that require them to arrest certain amount of foreigners for whatever purpose.

If you are familiar with Chinese propaganda, you should have been aware the PRC gov really touts nationalism.

So it is beneficial for their political agenda to demonstrate to their underlings that the days of colonialism is over.

Foreigners can and will be punished by Chinese law, and foreigners are not on any moral high ground.

If they do get such a directive, then you are probably really screwed if you are caught.

BYE BYE JOB, BYE BYE China VISA!

So there are generally four categories of what could happen if you are a foreigner caught in a prostitution bust:

1. Best case scenario: They let you go on the spot, because they feel you are not worth the trouble.

2. You are legally detained and fined according to law and expelled from China.

3. You are illegally detained and extorted.

4. Your government comes to rescue you, but you are still expelled from China, because the PSB can and will do that even if just to save face.

(Technically, the PSB is legally entitled to decide who is no longer welcomed to China.

The Exit and Entry Bureau and the PSB are both under the same Ministry of Public Security).

NOTE: This piece should not be considered legal advice in any sense.

I am not licensed to practice PRC law even though I have a degree in it.

I can only speak from experience and what I heard.

Though if you are indeed arrested in a prostitution bust.

I do not know if it will do you any good by seeking legal representation.

If lawyers are involved, it may force the police's hand to do everything by the book.

Which means in any case you will be stuck with an arrest record that looks really bad for visa purposes.

Or you could easily spend more money on legal fees than any fine / bribe combined without any guaranteed good outcome.

Good luck!

[Carage]

BTW, no matter what is happening, do not insult or threaten the police.
These include stuff like: Hey, I want your badge number, I remember you, or you are making a big mistake, my government will not stand for this.

Chinese police do not respond well with threats especially if nationalism/national pride is involved.
If they really believe you can follow through with what you claim you can pull off, they would have released you already.

If you act like an arrogant and obnoxious foreigner yapping about due process, civil liberties, and human rights all the time of your stay,

I doubt the police will respond in a kind way, and yes, "accidents" can happen to detainees ALL the time.

[Qd6194]

Hello all!

I have been a lurker / occasional poster, but most of all a paying member.

Would someone be kind enough to PM some info about Jiyuan. I have a pretty firm idea of where it is at, I just need a little confirmation before I go out on the chase. Seems a little far out.

Thanks,

Qd6194

[XikangLu]

I was wandering around Jing'an the other day that I had some time off from work. I walked inside Spring massage on Jiangning road for a standard massage. I've heard they do HJ for a tip, but I swear I didn't go in there looking for a release. All I wanted was a massage.

However, halfway through it, I'm laying all naked, towel aside, as the masseuse does her standard thing. BAAAAM goes the door and a scared woman holding a radio shouts something at her. She immediately leaves the room. 10 seconds later I'm wearing my underwear and ready to GTFO.

Another woman walks in. Wearing a full blown Thai-style uniform. With branded oils and shit. She lits a candle. Music changes. Everything becomes more Zen.

Weird shit. Worst massage ever.

When I walked out, two policemen were getting a foot massage near the entrance. They looked at me like 'Hey you –*We know'.

I was like 'tingbudong'. And walked away with an erection.

[DoItUnderwater]

Your posts include some really valuable information to help us all understand more about the unpleasant side of our hobby. We all need to be as knowledgeable as possible about what risks we might be facing.

Have fun and be safe out there.

[Playboy2000]

If you discover any other places, please let us know. I'd like to PM you, but you arn't a member.


Based on the great post in the Suzhou blog, I have explored around in Shanghai a bit for this, and have had a little luck- found one. This is in Minhang, not too far from the Jiaoda main campus, called Lianming (32852;26126;33310;21381. This is on Lianming Lu. Not so easy to find, but its there- can look up in google maps. Entrance is on a side of a building- need to look for this. Can watch people coming in and out- and will find it. Entrance fee is 20 RMB, and no questions were asked. Can then go up and check coat, etc. Buy tickets at the counter for 20 RMB each- so give these to the girl, not cash.

I went there on a Friday evening, a bit too late (9 pm)- it closes at 10:30. Pretty busy. According to people I talked to, it's less busy Sun-Thursday, with a lot more girls compared to guys. People there were very friendly- best to speak Chinese. The staff asked how I like it, how I like the girls, etc. I also talked to some of the customers, who where certainly surprised to see a Westerner there. Got the usual stares- but these are normal stares, not glares. Some then even tried to hook me up with girls they know there (there seemed be many regular customers). One older man even showed me how to best grope a certain girl.

Some of the girls were nice, some not so nice. Few sauna level. Many were dressed rather racy. Talking to these girls, some are there every day, some occasionally. Some have been there a while, and some only a few days or weeks. I think there is a fair amount of turnover. I asked a couple of the girls, and they had never seen a westerner there before, though one had danced with a Japanese. Most will assume that you do not speak Chinese, until you do.

It was not hard to find dance partners. Same process as described in Suzhou board. After each dance I would go over and sit or stand in a different place, and check out the scene. No need to take every dance. As in Suzhou, it's one dark / slow dance, followed by light / fast. In the dance, as grabbing and other groping were the norm. The floor was dark, though maybe not as big as the Suzhou places. With some girls there was no talk, and some talking throughout. In a couple cases it got pretty passionate, and in others the girl just went through the motions. I danced with a couple 2-3 times, and built a decent rapport. Let's see if they are there when I go back.

I think I could have gotten some phone numbers or wechat, though as this was the first time I left it- will do this next time. And I'm not sure I would push for any same day stuff until I know how the place works better.

Taking to the people there, they say there are a few other Wuting in Shanghai, but not many. There is one in Qingpu, which is smaller (and a bit far for me), and another in Pudong, which hopefully I'll be able to thresh out.

So something else to check out. My suggestion is that don't get there too late (opens in the afternoon), don't come in too big a group (may attract undo attention), make friends with the locals, and go with the flow. Good luck.

[Setsna]

Hi guys,

I am living in Shanghai since almost a year now. I have never visited a Sauna or Spa as I don't speak any Chinese and I am not familiar with how it goes there. So far I had some fun with ladies from the usual places like Manhatten or Judys and also some pick ups in other clubs of Shanghai.

I also have a few regulars on my WeChat.

I am writing this post, because I want to ask you guys if anyone of you wants to exchange some wechat contacts of nice girls. Also if anyone would like to hangout for a beer or two and introduce me to the whole sauna / spa thing I would be happy!

Just drop me a PM if you are interested in the exchange of some WeChat contacts. I am happy to share and would be happy to also get some new girls contacts.

Enjoy the long weekend!

[Jude Bright]

Thank you for sharing your personal experience.

Good luck!Thank you so much for the info. It is nice to have the knowledge just in case.

Jb.

[Zhushak]

It's great info and sorry again to you Changelu for what you went through.

Seems like Saunas and BBS etc are a bit risky. OK statistically one could argue it's low chance of getting caught but the consequences can be quite serious when that happens.

Obviously everyone makes his own decisions but personally I think getting an Escort from Steven's site or a pick up from Manatthan is not bad option. At least you.

Have little to worry about and it's about the same price anyway.

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[DanielMccc]

I took the leap of faith a few nights ago as I was a little intrigued by the wechat engineers offering hovering around my phone screen.

I picked one through the "discovery" function and hooked up with the Muppet. He posted pictures of the engineers on his wechat moment with respective number. I picked one who seemed to have a higher chance of being "real".

So, it was 200 RMB deposit over wechat, then 1000 RMB to the engineer on arrival. The Muppet tried to talked me into an overnighter for just an additional 1000 RMB. Sure, no prob, if the engineer was good, I will have her for a week.

Agreed on BBBJ (OWO) and the full service. Girl arrived, I picked her up, not the person in the picture, but she looked OK (average, very average). But I decided to press ahead knowing that it would be a mistake.

Long story short, the engineer was rather uninterested in the service, BBBJ would attract an additional 500 RMB, I say, GFYS. Can't suck puppies, can't touch kitty. Wasn't impressed. But given the sunk cost of 1200 RMB, I had to give something back, and so we did what we had to do, and quickly wrap things up.

On her way out, the engineer asked for taxi fare, I gave 100 RMB, then she haggled for tips, I gave her another 100 RMB, then she haggled for more tips, I say thank you very much and have a good evening.

I texted the Muppet back and told him I was utterly disappointed. I will stick with my regulars. I think these girls are just girls from the sauna with an outcall subsidiary.

I do want to see if any of you had similar experience with this type of wechat trade?

[Beijing4987]

Beijing Rd Spa near Jingan Temple is open again. The colored sign was never turned off when it was close recently. I did not go inside, but pushed on the door and it was open. Anybody want to tske one for the team? Sam?

[SamCan]

Beijing Rd Spa near Jingan Temple is open again. The colored sign was never turned off when it was close recently. I did not go inside, but pushed on the door and it was open. Anybody want to tske one for the team? Sam?Mongering in Amsterdam this week and doing quite well. It's kind of a long drive from here for am HJ. Besides I've discovered a private house that does FS and CBJ for 65. Euros. That's like 429 RMB which is same or less than BJ lu is for massage and HJ (with tip (389-489).

Thanks but I'm good see other board for post.

[Malibuh]

Monger friends,

Here's my story, finally!

Been in the Shanghai scene for last 6 years I have enjoyed much of the BBS's, sauna's and pickups and stories from fellow mongers.

So far the greatest have been Judy's & Manhattan's. Great selection of nationalities!

I have found best, so far, Viet with long black hair from Hanoi last year November. She literally rolled over me. I was not able to escape from her eyes, whilst she pinpointed me at the entrance in Manhattan.

I could not resist her offer and off we go. On the way to J. W. Marriott we started to suck each other in the cab. As she knew the cab driver, it was perfectly OK to do 69 in the cab. Her **** was clean, trimmed and easy to lick. How great she responded. I was a bit scared somebody will figure out, but I could not resist the intense.

We put the condom over big bro in the cab and asked driver to have another round in French concession and stop to silent alley. We did couple of minutes in VW Touran against passenger seat and decided to head to the hotel for more relaxed fucking. It did not last long until fucking in the room against mirror her hands supporting while I increasing rpm's from behind. I asked her if she is OK for CIM but unfortunately not. I decided to accept that and go for cowgirl. Nice see rack was bouncing on front of me, so it was great to control speed by gently squeezing boobies and pushing my johnnie against her and deep.

Being a bit exhibitionist. I wanted to come by sliding curtains and wishing somebody to see glimpse of the action. I took her next to the window of the hotel room and pushed hard until I removed rubber and exploded on her back.

We did again 3 times that night with similar energy I was surprised how good was that! I was convinced eyes at first sight will be telling you with whom to go with.

Great experience and memories! Wish to get more!

[Malibuh]

Anybody interested in foursome (2 girls, 2 gals) in Shanghai 18th or 23rd April? Other times also possible.

Interested to have fun in Manhattans or Judy's and then go hotel together. Maybe swap girls.

PM me for fun.

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[Hobbiest1]

Mongering in Amsterdam this week and doing quite well. It's kind of a long drive from here for am HJ. Besides I've discovered a private house that does FS and CBJ for 65. Euros. That's like 429 RMB which is same or less than BJ lu is for massage and HJ (with tip (389-489).

Thanks but I'm good see other board for post.Hi Sam. You might do better to post on the Amsterdam board. Take care! Your friend. Hobbiest1.

[Lost In Shanghai]

For at least a week, both Beijing Lu and Yuyuan Lu have signs on the door seeking staff. But the lights are on and the door is unlocked. The rather curious "no fireworks" signs are gone now. Looks promising, but I think I will wait a little longer.

[Red Rider]

That's quite the story about your Manhattan adventure, Malibuh!

And, quite the coincidence that a girl from Vietnam just happened to know the driver of the cab you happened upon when you left the club.

[The Guy]

I was wandering around Jing'an the other day that I had some time off from work. I walked inside Spring massage on Jiangning road for a standard massage. I've heard they do HJ for a tip, but I swear I didn't go in there looking for a release. All I wanted was a massage.

However, halfway through it, I'm laying all naked, towel aside, as the masseuse does her standard thing. BAAAAM goes the door and a scared woman holding a radio shouts something at her. She immediately leaves the room. 10 seconds later I'm wearing my underwear and ready to GTFO.

Another woman walks in. Wearing a full blown Thai-style uniform. With branded oils and shit. She lits a candle. Music changes. Everything becomes more Zen.

Weird shit. Worst massage ever.

When I walked out, two policemen were getting a foot massage near the entrance. They looked at me like 'Hey you *We know'.

I was like 'tingbudong'. And walked away with an erection.You're right. I went into a Spring Massage and saw the same: no miniskirts, showers turned off, didn't bother to stick around. I can get some of my regular massage girls in totally legit massage places to play with me, so watered down Spring Massage not worth it. Might not be every branch. If they have to keep this up, they'll no doubt be out of business.

[PrinceMV2]

Nice report. I will be in shanghai soon for few days. Can we get more informations about these wutuns / ballrooms / dance halls as I read in the sujhou forum also. Looks very interesting. Has any other monger friend found some more wutuns in shanghai. Also will request to pm me any such places.


Based on the great post in the Suzhou blog, I have explored around in Shanghai a bit for this, and have had a little luck- found one. This is in Minhang, not too far from the Jiaoda main campus, called Lianming (32852;26126;33310;21381. This is on Lianming Lu. Not so easy to find, but its there- can look up in google maps. Entrance is on a side of a building- need to look for this. Can watch people coming in and out- and will find it. Entrance fee is 20 RMB, and no questions were asked. Can then go up and check coat, etc. Buy tickets at the counter for 20 RMB each- so give these to the girl, not cash.

I went there on a Friday evening, a bit too late (9 pm)- it closes at 10:30. Pretty busy. According to people I talked to, it's less busy Sun-Thursday, with a lot more girls compared to guys. People there were very friendly- best to speak Chinese. The staff asked how I like it, how I like the girls, etc. I also talked to some of the customers, who where certainly surprised to see a Westerner there. Got the usual stares- but these are normal stares, not glares. Some then even tried to hook me up with girls they know there (there seemed be many regular customers). One older man even showed me how to best grope a certain girl..

[Sinofaguo]

You're right. I went into a Spring Massage and saw the same: no miniskirts, showers turned off, didn't bother to stick around. I can get some of my regular massage girls in totally legit massage places to play with me, so watered down Spring Massage not worth it. Might not be every branch. If they have to keep this up, they'll no doubt be out of business.Its not like they have the choice. Jing'an district is under new management and many places were shut down (MPs, Saunas, etc...).

Some of those still open have to do so under very low profile.

[SamCan]

Hi Sam. You might do better to post on the Amsterdam board. Take care! Your friend. Hobbiest1.Hello HB. Thanks for your comments. My point was it is amazing that Amsterdam (ie Europe) is cheaper than China. That surprised me as I though China was third world. Of cours legal vs supposedly illegal may cover some of that.

As a frequent monger to China I was surprised and was just sharing with my brothers that don't get out much (like me).

You can now scream scamhai now if you wish

Sam.

[Beijing4987]

Sam, thanks for your report. Maybe the Troll would not object if you posted about Tijuana, another world class city that never sleeps. I'll be in the Dam soon and appreciate your take on China vs Amsterdam. Those of us in Sam Hi celebrate our good fortune as we are also in guard. There are perils everywhere.

[Viajando Musico]

Monger friends,

Here's my story, finally!

Been in the Shanghai scene for last 6 years I have enjoyed much of the BBS's, sauna's and pickups and stories from fellow mongers.

So far the greatest have been Judy's & Manhattan's. Great selection of nationalities!

I have found best, so far, Viet with long black hair from Hanoi last year November. She literally rolled over me. I was not able to escape from her eyes, whilst she pinpointed me at the entrance in Manhattan.

I could not resist her offer and off we go. On the way to J. W. Marriott we started to suck each other in the cab. As she knew the cab driver, it was perfectly OK to do 69 in the cab. Her **** was clean, trimmed and easy to lick. How great she responded. I was a bit scared somebody will figure out, but I could not resist the intense.

We put the condom over big bro in the cab and asked driver to have another round in French concession and stop to silent alley. We did couple of minutes in VW Touran against passenger seat and decided to head to the hotel for more relaxed fucking. It did not last long until fucking in the room against mirror her hands supporting while I increasing rpm's from behind. I asked her if she is OK for CIM but unfortunately not. I decided to accept that and go for cowgirl. Nice see rack was bouncing on front of me, so it was great to control speed by gently squeezing boobies and pushing my johnnie against her and deep.

Being a bit exhibitionist. I wanted to come by sliding curtains and wishing somebody to see glimpse of the action. I took her next to the window of the hotel room and pushed hard until I removed rubber and exploded on her back.

We did again 3 times that night with similar energy I was surprised how good was that! I was convinced eyes at first sight will be telling you with whom to go with.

Great experience and memories! Wish to get more!Manhattan and Judy are still the clubs of choice whenever I am in town, but in the past couple years, the service from the Viet girls have gone downhill. The inflation and growth in economy in Shanghai in the last few years have made Shanghai living expense in par with any Western Cities, and that brings much higher pressure to the Viet girls working in the City. They either try to get higher prices or downgrade and rush their services. You have to hassle a lot more now to get the price you paid. Very often they simply refused. GFE used to be a norm, and it came with every Viet girl that I left with, not with the last few girls I pulled out. Services were not bad, but lack of the passion they were so famous for.

Other than the Viets, the 2 different African girls I took were both fantastic. Both with very sexy and proportional figures rare to find in the Viets, and both provided GFE starting from inside the club. They are less accepted by Chinese guys due to ridiculous cultural belief, but hey, it's their lose.

[Hobbiest1]

Manhattan and Judy are still the clubs of choice whenever I am in town, but in the past couple years, the service from the Viet girls have gone downhill. The inflation and growth in economy in Shanghai in the last few years have made Shanghai living expense in par with any Western Cities, and that brings much higher pressure to the Viet girls working in the City. They either try to get higher prices or downgrade and rush their services. You have to hassle a lot more now to get the price you paid. Very often they simply refused. GFE used to be a norm, and it came with every Viet girl that I left with, not with the last few girls I pulled out. Services were not bad, but lack of the passion they were so famous for.

Other than the Viets, the 2 different African girls I took were both fantastic. Both with very sexy and proportional figures rare to find in the Viets, and both provided GFE starting from inside the club. They are less accepted by Chinese guys due to ridiculous cultural belief, but hey, it's their lose.I thought the ladies were exceptional at the hotel I frequent. Purple Mountain. While not quite as overt as Judy's / Manhattan the ladies are amazing. If you are in doubt then spend a Saturday (7-10) in the lounge area. Then tell me your thoughts! Thanks h1.

[Viajando Musico]

I thought the ladies were exceptional at the hotel I frequent. Purple Mountain. While not quite as overt as Judy's / Manhattan the ladies are amazing. If you are in doubt then spend a Saturday (7-10) in the lounge area. Then tell me your thoughts! Thanks h1.OK, now we are moving to Pudong from Pusi. I Will definitely try that when I go to Shanghai again. What are the nationality of the ladies there and how about weekdays? Thanks.

[QC Boy]

My only experience in pickup bars is Brix in Singapore. I find that the girls there look quite good. And the girls normally stay a month or 2 only. Should I expect more of the same quality in visiting Manhattan or Judy's?

Based on my few nights in Brix, I also noticed that the lookers are usually taken as they come in at 10-11 leaving only limited selection at around 1-2 am. Any advisable best time to arrive here?

[BionicMan]

That's quite the story about your Manhattan adventure, Malibuh!

And, quite the coincidence that a girl from Vietnam just happened to know the driver of the cab you happened upon when you left the club.Can't remember the book where I read that, but I am sure there is one! .

[Jay Bird]

Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.

[Brenfrew]

Sauna = 桑25343;.


Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.

[Lost In Shanghai]

Guys,

With the help of Google translate I have browsed several Chinese sites lately. Lot of interesting information to find, though it requires some effort.

My questions is, could some member here be so kind and type "sauna" for me with Chinese letters? In that case will be able to browse for sauna on Chinese web sites with the help of Google translate.Try this: 桑拿 or 桑那.

[EasyHi]

Hello guys,

Where are these places like sauna to find girls from Viet or Africa. Russia.

Thanks! A new comer here.

[Viajando Musico]

My only experience in pickup bars is Brix in Singapore. I find that the girls there look quite good. And the girls normally stay a month or 2 only. Should I expect more of the same quality in visiting Manhattan or Judy's?

Based on my few nights in Brix, I also noticed that the lookers are usually taken as they come in at 10-11 leaving only limited selection at around 1-2 am. Any advisable best time to arrive here?QC Boy, I've never been to Brix, but I believe you have more diverse selection racially in Brix as I read on that thread, than either Manhattan or Judy. These 2 clubs are mainly for picking up Vietnamese girls. I'd say about 85% of them and the remaining 15% being Chinese and a few black girls. There used to be some Latinas in Manhattan before, but I heard they were not welcome by the management. Don't know why? Quality wise, majority falls in 5-7 range on my scale with just a few 8's. My 9's and above goes to those super model type Latinas or EU girls. Your observation in Brix applies here, best time to go is between 10-11 PM till midnight. The party goes on till the early morning hours, but he hot ones are normally snapped up early.

[Shanghai Guide]

I think these girls are just girls from the sauna with an outcall subsidiary.

I do want to see if any of you had similar experience with this type of wechat trade?I would bet, that this are not "sauna girls" because of two reason:

- first nearly no sauna has an interest on the "outcall", just because it reduce their selection and business "on location". If you ever tried to get a girl out there, you will have found out, that this is not what they want. Normally you will be asked for a "buyout" of at least 3000 up to 5000 RMB, and than you not even included the fee the girl will charge for her service.

- second the "up selling" problem is something former sauna girls not will cause. Our experience with all the independent girls over year is, that all girls who worked for some outcall agencies or in bar before are used to the strategy to ask for more and more money (which never can be a lost, but often a win), so nearly impossible to bring that out, while the sauna girls simply not used to all the money things. They trained to offer a good service in their sauna, but never involved in the money or payment process. So if you find a former sauna girl in outcall. And she has not been taught by someone how to cheat. She will not even come up with the idea that it's possible to ask for tip or extra money. Tip is a no-go in a sauna.

If they come from a "shop", than probably a massage parlor or barbershop, where the girls are trained to ask for extra money, while in a sauna a girl would be directly fired after she would try that one time!

I am pretty sure you have done a deal with one of the numerous outcall agencies where you get in touch when you agree to a pimp around your hotel to send a girl or where you will end up if you call the number of the business card the guy gave you at the airport or drop under your door in the hotel. Wechat is actually just one of their ways to do the business and it's successfully, because many guys already get familiar with the fact, that all this Chinese agency webpages are stuffed with faked girls and never reliable, many are very careful with the pimps, but wechat "look around" still has a higher trust and many guys hope that it will be reliable.

In fact the "look around" function has a great advantage for the agency too, because the "troll rate" is much lower. Simply because they can be sure that the guy at least is in Shanghai, while many trolls who use chat and e-mail will not even be in China, but waste their time and in worst case taxi fee for the girls.

But if you deal with this agencies, you should know, that the agreed rate is nearly never the final rate. I know many girls who do this job, and a girl who would leave the guest room with the amount that has been agreed forehand would always get trouble with her boss. Either while the boss not believe she get only that and would guess the girl try to reduce her commission, or because she was stupid enough not to get more. So girls will always try to avoid that by "up selling". That's what the business based on. Ask for a low rate first and get the deal, but than try to get as much as possible. What is for sure much more easy after the little brother took over the control of the bargain process. So honestly it's not the point what you bargain forehand, the price you pay is always based on the bargain while you "enjoy" your service!

Wish you will have more luck next time.

[Levitian]

All in here, you just have to start reading.

Lev.


Hello guys,

Where are these places like sauna to find girls from Viet or Africa. Russia.

Thanks! A new comer here.

[Carage]

In response to Shanghai Guide's post, I would like to point out while his description of sauna girls are generally true, there are a few exceptions.

Tipping at saunas is not a generally accepted practice, however, girls have gotten creative to ask for more money.

I've seen johns and girls smuggle money in cigarette boxes, I highly doubt that is for strip poker.

Now with mobile payment systems such as WeChat, they don't even need to exchange cash for tips.

I've seen sauna girls offering to upsell anal, swallowing, or legit massages.

[Levitian]

Hi,

I would love to do so (exchange wechat contacts), but you are not a member, yet, and thus, you can't receive or send any private messages. You should consider.

Lev.


Hi guys,

I am living in Shanghai since almost a year now. I have never visited a Sauna or Spa as I don't speak any Chinese and I am not familiar with how it goes there. So far I had some fun with ladies from the usual places like Manhatten or Judys and also some pick ups in other clubs of Shanghai.

I also have a few regulars on my WeChat.

I am writing this post, because I want to ask you guys if anyone of you wants to exchange some wechat contacts of nice girls. Also if anyone would like to hangout for a beer or two and introduce me to the whole sauna / spa thing I would be happy!

Just drop me a PM if you are interested in the exchange of some WeChat contacts. I am happy to share and would be happy to also get some new girls contacts.

Enjoy the long weekend!

[Levitian]

In your own interest you should consider to pay US $ 20 and become a member. You then have private message function, and you also can use the search function. Don't expect that you will get the infos which have been collected here over the last weeks, months and years in this thread in one shot. Or you do what all the others did. Rtff.

Lev.

[QC Boy]

QC Boy, I've never been to Brix, but I believe you have more diverse selection racially in Brix as I read on that thread, than either Manhattan or Judy. These 2 clubs are mainly for picking up Vietnamese girls. I'd say about 85% of them and the remaining 15% being Chinese and a few black girls. There used to be some Latinas in Manhattan before, but I heard they were not welcome by the management. Don't know why? Quality wise, majority falls in 5-7 range on my scale with just a few 8's. My 9's and above goes to those super model type Latinas or EU girls. Your observation in Brix applies here, best time to go is between 10-11 PM till midnight. The party goes on till the early morning hours, but he hot ones are normally snapped up early.Based on my readings on this forum, I would agree that Brix is more racially diverse. Interestingly enough though, a lot of the girls there are also Viets.

In terms of quality though, would the quality in terms of looks be better in Saunas rather than in these pickup bars? Really trying to budget time and money between the 2. Of course, it seems that these pickup joints have become safer as of late.

[Setsna]

In your own interest you should consider to pay US $ 20 and become a member. You then have private message function, and you also can use the search function. Don't expect that you will get the infos which have been collected here over the last weeks, months and years in this thread in one shot. Or you do what all the others did. Rtff.

Lev.Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy!

[Shaun Palmer]

I am really sad that all the BBS I know are gone now. Mostly those on Hongsong lu / Songyuan lu and Hangzhong lu.

Any one now where to go to find some BBS strip like back in the days?

[Sinofaguo]

Dear Levitian,

(...) I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy!Then you should post in the Classified section. This Shanghai section is to give for free and read the suggestions from other posters. Not to trade for $ or other contacts.

Give and others will give you. Be greedy and other people will be greedy with you.

[Hobbiest1]

Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy!Hi Setsna. I am a senior member that is very happy to help you. This is a tough board because the seniors will unfortunately pull out the "RTFF card" I am not like that and can help you. I am not the "Almighty" Many seniors on this board are complete ASSHOLES. They don't help me and never have and I could care less. PM me please.

[The Guy]

Dear Levitian,

As you maybe can see I already payed. I am a member and have the PM function, that's why I asked to send me a pm. I am reading here since more than 2 years and I think I read the last 2 shanghai threads completely. I am not asking about addresses of saunas, or pick up bars,. I am a member on sng and have them. I asked to exchange some wechat contacts. Means I offer a reliable girl with good service in exchange to one of yours. So before asking me to RTFF, you should consider reading my option no offense buddy!Setsna- I'm actually surprised if you've had positive experiences with wechat girls. All reports I've read are somewhat negative. Have you been able to find reasonably priced attractive girls through that channel? I got nothing to exchange since I've had no success with wechat.

[ShangHangin]

Setsna- I'm actually surprised if you've had positive experiences with wechat girls. All reports I've read are somewhat negative. Have you been able to find reasonably priced attractive girls through that channel? I got nothing to exchange since I've had no success with wechat.I've only had success via wechat by NOT trying to nail them the first night. I have used to first befriend during the daytime (not 10 at night, when I'm interested to launch), get to know, then screw. If your just trying to use wechat for a one nighter. Consider the person on the other end a tout. And the rule is "never follow a tout". Also, some touts think that social media gives them the right to ask a premium or up sell.

SH.

[Levitian]

Hi Setsna. I am a senior member that is very happy to help you. This is a tough board because the seniors will unfortunately pull out the "RTFF card" I am not like that and can help you. I am not the "Almighty" Many seniors on this board are complete ASSHOLES. They don't help me and never have and I could care less. PM me please.Hahaha, yes, you are for sure the best guide for Scamhai, street-smart as you are.

[Beijing4987]

The Sam Hi Troll: Blind leading the blind. Why does no one defend his honor?

[ShangHangin]

Hahaha, yes, you are for sure the best guide for Scamhai, street-smart as you are.HB1 could lead the tour of Plaza 96 across from the Purple Mountain Hotel, as that's as far as he ventures to ensure he does not get scammed. But you know Costa Coffee has a rough crowd, so watch out!

SH.

[Hobbiest1]

HB1 could lead the tour of Plaza 96 across from the Purple Mountain Hotel, as that's as far as he ventures to ensure he does not get scammed. But you know Costa Coffee has a rough crowd, so watch out!

SH.Why hide behind alias. I will be at Manhattan tonight. I will have a blue Converse All Star T-Shirt. Come say "Hi".

[Arizona123]

Cross roads. LianMing Lu; ZhongChun Lu.

Hours. 1 pm to 11 pm.

Best times. 3 pm-5 pm; 7 pm-9 pm.

Parking. Plenty onsite.

It's been a couple of days since Donkey has seen any action so I thought I'd take him out to try something new. Arrived at the dance hall around 3 pm, paid 20 rmb at the entrance, went up to the second floor, door on the right and walked into the crime scene.

First off, it's strictly no smoking. They have a small smoking room in the back where the bathroom is so for those of you who are sensitive to smoke, this place is good news.

The girls are lined up along the wall on the right hand side. Probably around 40-50 girls ranging from 0 to 7. That's not a typo, there are a couple of 0's because they are as old as my mother and looked like my aunt Gladys with heavy makeup. The better looking ones stay close to the entrance, and as you walk further into the place, it gets darker and the quality goes down. There are maybe two girls who are 7's, still nowhere close to a sauna girl. Majority of the girls range from 4-6. The better looking ones will not approach you; some lower range girls might ask you for a dance; the really low range ones, you might need to beat them off with a stick once they latch on to you.

They alternate one fast song followed by one slow song. The lights come on during the fast songs, girls stand out to be noticed, guys check them out, nobody dance. Lights goes off during slow songs, guys pick girls and take them to the dance floor which is totally dark. Groping starts, nobody dance. Just stand there, dry hump, or try for the next 5 minutes to get their hands under her panties and bra. It costs you 20 rmb per song for your efforts.

This is cheap entertainment, but an even more cost effective way would be to get the girl you like to table sit "ZuoTai". She sits with you at a table big enough for two people away from everyone and yes, it's DARK - 100 rmb per hour. This is where you chit chat, tell her lies, get her phone number, get her wechat, get her QQ, grope, get your hands under her dress, kiss, arrange for a take out.

Summary. You will not get a BJ or FS in the dance halls in Shanghai. You won't even get to take her clothes off. This is a place where you set up for FS outside the establishment. If you have the time and effort to spend, this might be a good place for those who love the "chase". FS can be had (outside) for under 400 if you can convince them to go with you. But it will take more than one dance, quite possibly a few trips to build up the relationship. But guys, keep in mind two things. 1, the cheaper the girl, the more expensive she will be at the end; 2, do not go to dance halls in Shanghai expecting BJ, FS, or even nudity.

Total damage. 200 rmb for three hours. Four dances + one table sit + entrance fee. Donkey slept through the whole thing.

[The Guy]

I've only had success via wechat by NOT trying to nail them the first night. I have used to first befriend during the daytime (not 10 at night, when I'm interested to launch), get to know, then screw. If your just trying to use wechat for a one nighter. Consider the person on the other end a tout. And the rule is "never follow a tout". Also, some touts think that social media gives them the right to ask a premium or up sell.

SH.I'm just too worried about false advertising and up-sells. At least with Manhattan, you mostly see what you're getting.

[Beijing4987]

I'll be at the nonsmoking bar at Fengyang / Fuxing Road wearing a red "Make Donald Drumpf Again" baseball cap.

[ShangHangin]

I'm just too worried about false advertising and up-sells. At least with Manhattan, you mostly see what you're getting.I too like to check out the merchandise before buying (or being out in a high pressure buy decision). Thus prefer M or J or a massage / sauna.

SH.

[ShangHangin]

Why hide behind alias. I will be at Manhattan tonight. I will have a blue Converse All Star T-Shirt. Come say "Hi".I hope you did not get Scamhai'd at the fake market for that T-shirt. Those vendors are notorious for taking advantage of tourists like you.

[Hobbiest1]

I guess that says alot for your city of scummy scammers. Was looking for your and a few of my other friends. Next time grow some balls.

H1.


I hope you did not get Scamhai'd at the fake market for that T-shirt. Those vendors are notorious for taking advantage of tourists like you.

[The Guy]

Every poster wants a Shanghai thread devoted to safe, cost-effective mongering.

Posts not advancing that goal, such as bickering among members, undermine that goal.

[Beijing4987]

Yes, even a troll can find friends among the barflies. If you share something positive for a change we will welcome you as a respected member in Sam Hi. Otherwise you are only fodder for those that enjoy flaming you.

[ShangHangin]

I guess that says alot for your city of scummy scammers. Was looking for your and a few of my other friends. Next time grow some balls.

H1.H1.

It is you who should grow a pair and get out from under your rock. Members would give you some respect if you actually posted a field report of value. Your "Scamhai" rant is worn out. Get out in the city, provide real intel. Quit being a troll.

SH.

[Levitian]

H1.

It is you who should grow a pair and get out from under your rock. Members would give you some respect if you actually posted a field report of value. Your "Scamhai" rant is worn out. Get out in the city, provide real intel. Quit being a troll.

SH.Agree. And, instead of discouraging others from reading this forum, he actually should promote it, because if he would have done, he most probably wouldn't have met all the trouble and the scam in the first place.

[Willa1]

So. In Shanghai for business end of March, arrived Saturday afternoon. Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. The nice thing about this place is the hotel is on the 12th floor through the 20th I think. And you bypass the lobby, so no registration, no 'walk of shame' through the lobby.

Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Ordered a beer, shook off a couple of older women. Caught the eye of a low 20's Vietnamese women with a hearty laugh & a great smile. A glass of wine later, we agreed on 1600 for LT (a little high) - but she seemed like a lot of fun. Walked back to the hotel (saved 25 RMB) and confirmed that she would be a good time. Ended up with a great GFE session (2 X before passing out around 2:30, spent the night entangled, waking up around 8 with a raging hard on and another session. Cleaned up together in the shower. Then to breakfast. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.

Overall, first time I had take out from Judy's. In the past seemed older & less fun. Just lucky this time I guess. The old haunts are still available.

Will

[SamCan]

So. In Shanghai for business end of March, arrived Saturday afternoon. Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. The nice thing about this place is the hotel is on the 12th floor through the 20th I think. And you bypass the lobby, so no registration, no 'walk of shame' through the lobby.

Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Ordered a beer, shook off a couple of older women. Caught the eye of a low 20's Vietnamese women with a hearty laugh & a great smile. A glass of wine later, we agreed on 1600 for LT (a little high) - but she seemed like a lot of fun. Walked back to the hotel (saved 25 RMB) and confirmed that she would be a good time. Ended up with a great GFE session (2 X before passing out around 2:30, spent the night entangled, waking up around 8 with a raging hard on and another session. Cleaned up together in the shower. Then to breakfast. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.

Overall, first time I had take out from Judy's. In the past seemed older & less fun. Just lucky this time I guess. The old haunts are still available.

WillMy success rate of having a good time at Judy's has always been high. You paid more than I usually have but that may have bought you a better GFE / multiple experience. Either way if you had a good time that is all that mattered. I am glad you enjoyed it!

Bring on the next reports for us no longer able to visit the wonderful Shanghai.

[Carage]

I was at SiYuan yesterday around 5 PM, there was no wait, but I found the lineup of about 15 girls somewhat lackluster.

No real eye-poppers, I still managed to pick two girls anyway, they really tried to upsell me for a third in the room.

I wasn't that impressed with the lineup so I refused, then they tried to upsell me for an extra session but I told them I don't have the time.

The experience wasn't very memorable anyway.

I proceeded to get an ear cleaning lady in the lobby / rest area.

She wasn't a hottie either, but somehow she managed to convince me to stay for the "extra message" session.

This ear cleaning lady didn't act professional, constantly distracted by her phone and all.

The leg massage at the end did not feel comforting at all.

I ordered some free food in lieu of dinner, and she also tacked her own meal to my order.

I just let it slide, wasn't really in an argumentative mood.

Total damage was: 2100 (Two Girls + Ear Cleaning "Complete Package".

Stayed in the club for about 2. 5 hours total.

[ShangHangin]

I was at SiYuan yesterday around 5 PM, there was no wait, but I found the lineup of about 15 girls somewhat lackluster.

No real eye-poppers, I still managed to pick two girls anyway, they really tried to upsell me for a third in the room.

I wasn't that impressed with the lineup so I refused, then they tried to upsell me for an extra session but I told them I don't have the time.

The experience wasn't very memorable anyway.

I proceeded to get an ear cleaning lady in the lobby / rest area.

She wasn't a hottie either, but somehow she managed to convince me to stay for the "extra message" session.

This ear cleaning lady didn't act professional, constantly distracted by her phone and all.

The leg massage at the end did not feel comforting at all.

I ordered some free food in lieu of dinner, and she also tacked her own meal to my order.

I just let it slide, wasn't really in an argumentative mood.

Total damage was: 2100 (Two Girls + Ear Cleaning "Complete Package".

Stayed in the club for about 2. 5 hours total.Carage,

Thanks for the update. Had not been in since the hotel name change. Good to know they are still up and running, though it sounds like quality has declined. Even so, I will have to drop by soon. Is the price for a single girl still 880??

SH.

[Carage]

Carage,

Thanks for the update. Had not been in since the hotel name change. Good to know they are still up and running, though it sounds like quality has declined. Even so, I will have to drop by soon. Is the price for a single girl still 880??

SH.I am not sure about the entry price.

I haven't picked a single girl in awhile.

The girls trying to upsell me did tell me each additional girl is only 500 each, and I could get three girls for less than 2,000.

[NorthSouth]

I have not visited Bodi for a while because it is a little out of the way. I still consider it to be one of the top saunas in Shanghai. I wonder if it has increased its price. The price has increased in many saunas in the last couple of months because of the increased risk the operators was subjected to, and supply and demand with a number of places having been closed by LE.

[Simon Wagstaff]

I have not visited Bodi for a while because it is a little out of the way. I still consider it to be one of the top saunas in Shanghai. I wonder if it has increased its price. The price has increased in many saunas in the last couple of months because of the increased risk the operators was subjected to, and supply and demand with a number of places having been closed by LE.I was there about a month ago and it was a somewhat disappointing experience. My previous visit was just about the best of my entire life. Pricing is not 900 for regular, 1200 for VIP. My friend insisted that the VIP was well worth it. I really enjoy the facilities there, nice sauna, steam room and jacuzzi. I relaxed for a while until I was called for the line up. This time a little disappointing in the quality of the girls so just picked the biggest boobs. After my selection the guy said that I could have another girl for 200 (I think, maybe 300) more. Sounded good.

That turned out to be a mistake. Both girls refused pussy licking. For some reason I didn't get the nuru massage, they just got in the shower and scrubbed up. I could tell they were making fun of me in Chinese, not very nice. I did get on to suck my cock while the other sucked on my balls, nice. But really kind of a boring straight fuck with just the one girl while the other watched, bored. No interaction between the two girls. At the end I had to say "hey, what about my nuru and one of them did a quick round, just to quiet me down.

Two girls makes them lazy, and they won't do things in front of the other girl. Last time was plenty of pussy licking and all sorts of good stuff with my girl, most amazing experience. Next time I will pass on the two girls, and make it plain to the manager what I want.

I said something on my way out, but of course it was in English and didn't do that much good. Bodi is still the place to go.

[Shanghai Guide]

After my selection the guy said that I could have another girl for 200 (I think, maybe 300) more. Sounded good.

That turned out to be a mistake. Both girls refused pussy licking. For some reason I didn't get the nuru massage, they just got in the shower and scrubbed up. I could tell they were making fun of me in Chinese, not very nice. I did get on to suck my cock while the other sucked on my balls, nice. But really kind of a boring straight fuck with just the one girl while the other watched, bored. No interaction between the two girls. At the end I had to say "hey, what about my nuru and one of them did a quick round, just to quiet me down.

Two girls makes them lazy, and they won't do things in front of the other girl. Last time was plenty of pussy licking and all sorts of good stuff with my girl, most amazing experience. Next time I will pass on the two girls, and make it plain to the manager what I want.

I said something on my way out, but of course it was in English and didn't do that much good. Bodi is still the place to go.The double flight in a sauna is mostly not what we all expect getting there! That is unfortunately not the best part of the sauna service here in Shanghai.

My experience is, that the "double flight" is often taken as a good opportunity for a lazy session. One rest, the other one check her mobile phone. I last time thought it would work better with a "small double flight", where the second girl only come over for 20 minutes, based on the idea that the girl can not come for 20 minutes to check her mobile phone. What happened was that the first girl excused she need to go to toilet and just show up again when the second girl was ready to leave.

And you have even have been lucky if you got double blow job already, I also know sessions where the girls used disinfection tissues always to clean each part of the body the other girl kissed or licked. Can you imagine how hot it will be to watch the second one clean your dick for minutes before she start to take over the blow job from the other girl? So your session was not the worst thing can happen.

Your experience is more average than special, you simply have been "fucking lucky" the first time. In fact very less of the girls in a 3-some are willing to provide the lesbian action part, Even most of them will do I, if you are able to "force" them. So that's what Chinese clients would have done! Tell them they need to lick each others pussy or what ever they expect, and if they refuse, than threaten to call the manager over to complain. Than nearly sure they will do what you expect (even they not like). Officially all girls in a sauna who offer 3-some the girls have to offer also the lesbian part, but in fact most girls don't like it and will do all they can to avoid it!

I would say in a normal sauna there will be not more than perhaps one or two "couple" of girls who will play with each other, because they enjoy it. And only than they will start with lesbian action also without you need telling them to do it. So I guess your first experience was the time where you "win the price" by pick out the "one of 50" for getting the whole program. Congratulation for that, seems you are a lucky guy.

The idea to clear it with the manager forehand is not bad, but you need to follow his "recommendation" for the girl than. If you don't like the girls, he will for sure tell you other girls also would offer the girls on girls action, because the house rule expect them to do it, but later in the room they mostly simply will "forgot" that detail. Simply because they know very well, that if you don't speak Chinese, they always have the excuse, that it was a misunderstanding and they thought you not like it any more or something like that. So they have no worries that you will complain and that they would get trouble, so they also have no need to follow your fantasies.

Have fun in Shanghai.

[NorthSouth]

I should perhaps have added that another reason I have not gone to Bodi lately was the more restrictive experience I had. Yes, the girls were beautiful (at least at the times when I was there) , but none of the ones I was with allowed fingering inside the treasure box and there was no fine dining. Maybe it was the luck of the draw. Perhaps it was because I looked like Kramer. Or it was a case of YMMV. Or maybe it was the princess attitude.

[HardInThePants]

Stayed at the Paramount Hotel in JingAn temple area. Nice, inexpensive Chinese hotel that is very girl convenient. Upgraded room (for 2) including breakfast was 740 RMB. Decided to start at Judy's around 10:30, planning to go to Manhatten after one drink. As I got to Judy's early, was able to secure a seat at the bar with a great view of the door & the talent. Walked her downstairs and went back to bed for a few hours.
WillThis is precisely what I arranged for beginning of May. Did the booking for Paramount some weeks ago without knowing the fact that the rooms are accessible without passing the lobby. That's very good to know, thanks Willa1! Also good to hear that an early start on weekend evenings can get me good results. Heard the rumor that there's a sauna / spa just one block away from Paramount at Nanjing W Rd. Will try that out during the stay.

Happy mongering,

HardInThePants

[Carage]

Regarding getting a double flight /3 P experience in saunas, I think we need to curb our enthusiasm quite a bit.

Most saunas have many house rules that prevent the girls from acting out like you are in a Japanese nuru porno.

The condom rule being the most obvious one.

But that doesn't mean you can't get a decent fuck with two or more girls.

There are a few ways to do it, and all of them would work much better if you speak Chinese.

Most sauna girls do not speak fluent English, some of them have shared their fantasy with me:

If they know how to speak English then they wouldn't be in this profession.

There are easier opportunities for a hot girl who speaks English, such as some rich guy's assistant / mistress.

AND not all managers speak fluent English, at least fluent enough so they can understand what you want and translate it to the girls.

One way is to tell the manager you want more than one girl, and ask him to recommend who works well in pairs.

I usually pick one girl out of the crowd (the hottest or the most appealing to me), then ask the manager for recommendations.

Typically the manager will say the girl standing next to the one I picked pairs well with her. (I guess friends also stick together in the lineup).

Or the other route is to let the girl recommend her friend once you are in the room.

Follow these two routes then you are unlikely to end up with two girls who don't have any interaction between them.

[Levitian]

The double flight in a sauna is mostly not what we all expect getting there! That is unfortunately not the best part of the sauna service here in Shanghai.

My experience is, that the "double flight" is often taken as a good opportunity for a lazy session. One rest, the other one check her mobile phone. I last time thought it would work better with a "small double flight", where the second girl only come over for 20 minutes, based on the idea that the girl can not come for 20 minutes to check her mobile phone. What happened was that the first girl excused she need to go to toilet and just show up again when the second girl was ready to leave.

And you have even have been lucky if you got double blow job already, I also know sessions where the girls used disinfection tissues always to clean each part of the body the other girl kissed or licked. Can you imagine how hot it will be to watch the second one clean your dick for minutes before she start to take over the blow job from the other girl? So your session was not the worst thing can happen.

Your experience is more average than special, you simply have been "fucking lucky" the first time. In fact very less of the girls in a 3-some are willing to provide the lesbian action part, Even most of them will do I, if you are able to "force" them. So that's what Chinese clients would have done! Tell them they need to lick each others pussy or what ever they expect, and if they refuse, than threaten to call the manager over to complain. Than nearly sure they will do what you expect (even they not like). Officially all girls in a sauna who offer 3-some the girls have to offer also the lesbian part, but in fact most girls don't like it and will do all they can to avoid it!

I would say in a normal sauna there will be not more than perhaps one or two "couple" of girls who will play with each other, because they enjoy it. And only than they will start with lesbian action also without you need telling them to do it. So I guess your first experience was the time where you "win the price" by pick out the "one of 50" for getting the whole program. Congratulation for that, seems you are a lucky guy.

The idea to clear it with the manager forehand is not bad, but you need to follow his "recommendation" for the girl than. If you don't like the girls, he will for sure tell you other girls also would offer the girls on girls action, because the house rule expect them to do it, but later in the room they mostly simply will "forgot" that detail. Simply because they know very well, that if you don't speak Chinese, they always have the excuse, that it was a misunderstanding and they thought you not like it any more or something like that. So they have no worries that you will complain and that they would get trouble, so they also have no need to follow your fantasies.

Have fun in Shanghai.This is very solid advice.

I had a threesome in saunas, the girls were used to work in teams and I think it simply better for the whole atmosphere. It was alway fun.

I never met girl-on-girl actions. I never thought about forcing them to do so, and I also probably won't do so in the future. I can't imagine that will do any good.

Lev.

[ShangHangin]

Or the other route is to let the girl recommend her friend once you are in the room.

Follow these two routes then you are unlikely to end up with two girls who don't have any interaction between them.My two flight experience has not been as good as yours at the saunas. I have generally ended up disappointed as the girls get lazy. I find a better experience with a single girl at the saunas.

Though my most memorable two flight experience was years ago in Dongguan. I had just returned from shagging my KTV girl and met this lovely pair of girls in the hall way. I told them to come by my room when they finished up their KTV session. They we both very different body types. One was busty, the other small. One with coarse hair, the other with little more than peach fuzz. It was fun to have them check each others body out. I would shag one for a while, we would all shower, then shag the other. I have the Vic's memory of one on my cock and the other on my face. It was a great night. Oh, to reminisce!

[Arizona123]

Mr GregoryB, clear your inbox.

[GregoryB]

Hi my inbox is emptied. .

Gregory.


Mr GregoryB, clear your inbox.

[Beijing4987]

AZ. GB' s inbox empty now. Bring It on!

[Lost In Shanghai]

175 Yuyao Rd closed.

Buddha place closed.

Min massage closed.

851 Shaanxi open, but no one in lobby.

Bbs across the street from 851 was being emptied out as well.

[SamCan]

175 Yuyao Rd closed.

Buddha place closed.

Min massage closed.

851 Shaanxi open, but no one in lobby.

Bbs across the street from 851 was being emptied out as well.Are the golden days over?

[Arizona123]

Are the golden days over?Maybe it is for that area, but MP's and saunas are still thriving all over the city. Jing'an had a change in administration. New boss needs to shut down a few shops to get the red packets coming in.

[Hobbiest1]

Are the golden days over?Hi Sam. The "golden days"? Not sure what this means but I can tell you this. I arrived last week and can tell you that SCAMHAI is still alive and well. I went to the Peoples park and within 1 minute was swarmed with requests of. "Excuse me sir, will you take our picture?" SURE. No problem I said.

The I said, Let me guess. Your'e going to invite me for tea. Right?

The city of SCAMS still keeps going. What a shame. Truly! The real Donald J Trump is coming. Hope all the SCAMMERS are ready!

H1.

[Beijing4987]

We are tired of your boring same old rant! If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen. Your Scamming hero running for president is going down in flames with all his racist followers. He us the biggest con artist since PT Barnum. At least PT put on a show.

[The Guy]

As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.

[Levitian]

As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.I agree.

Would love to see H1 is getting his own "Scamhai" antagonist thread, for the sake of this thread here. Jackson?

Lev.

[SamCan]

As I've said, only hurts this thread to engage in bickering. Discussing politics is just ridiculous.I actually enjoy H1. He litters up the forum but every time he shows up, he reminds me PT Barnum was right.

[Carage]

This is very solid advice.

I had a threesome in saunas, the girls were used to work in teams and I think it simply better for the whole atmosphere. It was alway fun.

I never met girl-on-girl actions. I never thought about forcing them to do so, and I also probably won't do so in the future. I can't imagine that will do any good.

Lev.Could you be a little more specific with girl-on-girl action?

I get threesomes in saunas rather frequently and I agree that two pairs of hands and boobs make thinks a lot more fun.

I've seen girls tickling each other, putting massage oil on each other, kissing each other, but nothing hardcore between them.

No strap-on / dildo play, no fingering, no DATY.

[The Guy]

I actually enjoy H1. He litters up the forum but every time he shows up, he reminds me PT Barnum was right.Like any troll, goal of Hobbiest is to make provocative comments in order to see if anyone is willing to respond. Whether or not he's ever even traveled to Shanghai, I can't say. His objective is not to exchange useful mongering information but get members riled up enough to respond.

When you respond, he wins.

[Beijing4987]

Shanghai Members. Let's get back to the plan. I pledge to ignore inappropriate comments on this forum. Good cartoon though, Eh? Too bad. I've got more. I'll restrain myself. I'll check out our beloved Jingan district for closures.

[PrinceMV2]

Was in M2 club last night. Great crowd. Packed. Than to Judy. Not that much at 2.30 am. Than Manhattan and it was still alive. But the asking rate going too upward LOL. Any fellow monger in Shanghai like to go on joint hunting may inbox me.

[Sinofaguo]

BTW I was told hong mei road MPs could get their final shutdown around June.

I wasn't able yet to double check this info by going there I'll try to do that in the next couple weeks but if anyone heard the same thing. Feel free to confirm.

On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Don't ask me to double check I prefer MPs but I thought some people could be interested since many mentionned this place here before Manager name Qin Qin. She gives 100 kuai discount for early bookings http://hs.shanghai419.co/viewthread.php?tid=126215.
Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.

[The Guy]

Shanghai Members. Let's get back to the plan. I pledge to ignore inappropriate comments on this forum. Good cartoon though, Eh? Too bad. I've got more. I'll restrain myself. I'll check out our beloved Jingan district for closures.You're a good man.

[Beijing4987]

Buddah and its nearby cousin, Min are gone. 851 Shaanxi is still open, the lobby with its protectors sitting in the nicotine haze. The Bbs down the street on Shaanxi Road are closed too.

[OldAsiaHand]

Could you be a little more specific with girl-on-girl action?

I get threesomes in saunas rather frequently and I agree that two pairs of hands and boobs make thinks a lot more fun.

I've seen girls tickling each other, putting massage oil on each other, kissing each other, but nothing hardcore between them.

No strap-on / dildo play, no fingering, no DATY.In over 30 years of mongering, I have had my share of threesomes. That said, I can probably count the good experiences on two hands. Even tried the lesbian show girls in Bangkok go-go bars; only to find out it was just that, a show only! Most of the time, they will only let you do them one at a time and not switch back and forth which is the most fun IMHO. Worst case is that they don't even get in the bed with you together. I've had one even stay in the bathroom while I did the other. Getting them to play around hardcore is nearly impossible. They may make a small effort in this regard to please you but most of the time is not worth the effort because it so obviously fake with their silly giggling, etc.

I do have one suggestion to improve the odds of success. Select one girl and let her select the other. It is always better if they are good friends even if not real girlfriends. The best scenario is if you can find a real bi girl. I knew one in Pattaya and we would go out and pick other girls together. This was where I had my best experiences. She had a better sense than I which girls would be the most cooperative.

Another good value are the girls in training at MPs. You can find this is Guangdong saunas (the ones still in business with this crackdown). Used to be for 100 RMB more they would let a trainee join your session. It is fun to be used as a Guinea pig so to speak as the experienced girl uses you to train the new one.

Just my POV.

OAH.

P.S. On a side note, Annie's MP in Bangkok (if it is still there?) specializes in just this. They used to be off Soi Nana just down from Nana Plaza. The girls are a bit older and not the most attractive but they do a real threesome for you. Perhaps, I should have posted this on the Thailand board!

[Shanghai Guide]

On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks. I even yesterday met one of their managers in another sauna in Xu Hui district who confirmed that he need to change because they are still not reopened. Now the status seems to be that they hope to be one of the 3 saunas they would get the permission to forward their business in this district. So I would guess if you try to go there this days, there will come up a "excuse" why you better not go there. But go to her / his new place now!

So at the moment I would be careful if someone want to lead you to the Kang Ding Sauna. It's very normal for this kind of "agents" to use popular sauna places as a "honeypot" to get new potential customers, but that not always mean they really provide an access to that place finally. This guys get paid by each "head" they bring to a sauna, and I know some guys make 100.000 RMB and more a month with that. Some of them spend 30.000 a month for just an advertisement on this kind of Chinese page, so you can imagine how many customers they could get from there in return, if they are willing to spend that amount. So it is also attractive for guys who use faked girls pictures or pretend to work for a popular sauna. Which not available any more.

I can not be 100% sure. Could be they reopened and all my contacts left. But I would recommend to be careful to follow someone who pretend to bring you to the Kang Ding sauna this days.

[Shanghai Guide]

On a side note it seems the Kangding road sauna is advertising again on chinese websites for a few days now.

Considering the current situation in Jingan its likely you have to book in advance.I just checked the mentioned phone number, and in fact it belongs to a manager who called Bobo and he has been working for Kang Ding before, but I am also connected with him by wechat and so I know that he is one of the contacts I am in touch with. And I just now asked, if they are back to business or not, and he told me they are still closed! He know that I have been to this sauna several times, so will not be able to bring me somewhere else, so did not pretend they are reopened yet, but I would guess for "newbies" he would play that game (by the way, the wechat gender is shown as "female", but the person I met by chat with that contact was a male).

Have fun,

[Trawlerman]

Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.

[Shanghai Guide]

Hi guys,

It has getting very popular in Shanghai now, that the sauna clubs also provide girls service form girls which will not be 18 yet. At the moment there is nearly no sauna which will not have at least one girl who will not be legal age!

We just realized a serious problem that could come up by that.

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

Now I know that there are many guys who just "collect" and store this pictures to get a good overview of the sauna lineup.

But in this sauna collections finally you will nearly always find pictures of this girls in sexy outfit, combined with the sex service they offer, sometimes even topless or naked.

If you pass a border with this pictures on your devices (or you get another "raid" because of any reason), you will in worst case be involved in a child porn crime (we already have been faced to topless pictures of girls who have been listed by an age of 13 years)! Which could end up with many years in jail suddenly! So we would recommend to be very careful with this pictures and check and clean your "collection" regarding to this topic.

Without some Chinese skills sometimes not easy to find the age, because they will use different ways to write it, so here some help to find the right pictures:

17年 is easy, it just means she is 17 years old.

99岁 or 00岁 means she has been born in the year 1999 or 2000, so definitely not old enough for collect her picture.

More tricky will be the "Chinese way" to describe the age literally:

蛋 蛋 后 means "before the eggs" and describe the age of a girl born in 2000 or later.

So better be careful, play safe and not bring yourself in trouble with this stuff accidentally.

[Trawlerman]

Any tips for morning MP or sauna given the latest situation in Jing an area? Preferably close to Hongqiao. Much obliged. PM if you like.

TM.Got plenty of suggestions. Thanks for responding so quickly!

TM.

[Sinofaguo]

I am nearly sure they will "lead" finally to another place. I stay just in the neighborhood of that place and also have some contacts there, but my information is, that they closed first, have been able to reopen, than closed again after some weeks.

Yep its quite possible considering the current lockdown context in Jing'an. Like I said I don't partake in Sauna scene so I didn't check it myself, just letting people know if they want to check it.
As you said its likely they will be directed to another place where the manager is connected.

[Hobbiest1]

Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.

[RainmanSahut]

Best and safest place to go pickup pretty girl. About 10 pm on.

Manhattan bar.

Judy's 2nd best.

WeChat works good.

You will do fine.

Rainman!


Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

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[Beijing4987]

Jingan still has many options. The powers that be are only playing the whack a mole game. I had a nice BBBJ for 258. Others report the same to me via pm.

[Full Throttle]

I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

First, of all of the cities I have read and reported in, this board was the most difficult to decipher. I RTTF for the entire calendar years of 2015 and 2016. Then, when I realized I didn't know anything, I went back further. All of this cryptic stuff took a little getting used to. And, my friend, Jackson must be pleased because the senior members seem determined to reward those who contribute to his Buenos Aires lifestyle. That's fine, lots of fun times there.

Anyway, this is what I inferred from all of the reading.

MPs: price range $250-$350 plus $100-$200 gringo exploitation for the girl to get naked. Seems to include shower, massage, cat-licking and pretend rimming. These seem to be under a great deal of LE pressure. LE would prefer to be weathermen, so, in Chinese tradition, any reference to them must be disguised as a meteorological euphemism.

SAUNAS: Seems like MPs where FS is implied. Price range $700-$1500.

KTV: Serious mystery. Must be discussed more in 2013 and before. From what little is written, it seems like low-rent FKK or (Brazilian) termas. No idea about pricing.

CLUBS: Only ones widely discussed are Judy's and Manhattan. The girls in Judy's were asking $1000 the night I was there, up to 1500 on weekends. Manhattan reportedly an additional 500.

All prices are in RMB. For a quick conversion to you $ dollars, add half and remove a zero. 1000= 1000+500 = 1500. Then, $150.00 after removing the zero.

This is intended to inspire somebody to post a nice overview.

On to my specific experience (or lack thereof).

During the day, I walked down the long shopping street that ends up at the river very near the "sightseeing pedestrian tunnel," poorly-named as it is actually a really lame ride under the river through lights. Anyway, it is a long street with large stores on both sides and is pedestrian except for the pretend "sightseeing trains" which are also poorly-named. The only sightseeing from these kiddie cars packed with adults are the pedestrians narrowly escaping death as they jump out of the way. During my brisk walk down Nanjing Rd, at least 9 different promoters approached me showing me the identical cards with girls on them. I didn't catch the name of the place, but, in a world where a bunch of foreign mongers communicate in code on a board whose servers are in Germany, these promoters are extremely public and brash. I didn't follow any of them.

Judy's on a weeknight. For those who use Google Maps, two Judy's come up. They have a website to be sure you have the correct address. It is the one farther from Manhattan's if that counts. It is a dingy place, similar to a past-its-prime Midwestern strip club. There is a fairly large stage above a bar situated along one wall of the rectangular room. Tables are laid out systematically throughout the rest of the room. There is an upstairs, but it was closed the night we were there.

Arrived at 915 pm. We were 2 of the first 10 customers. I counted 20 girls initially. By 10:30, I did another headcount and observed 30. I spoke to approximately 10 girls. All said they were from Vietnam. They ranged from early 20's to mid-30's. The majority were early to mid 20's. None was offensive, most were doable, and about 1 in 5 were quite nice. I was offered companionship back to my place by several, all started at 1000. As I was not interested, I did not counter or inquire further. I was SO TIRED.

By 9:45, a Philippine band took the stage. They played classic rock tunes. So-so, but at least they weren't terribly loud. That, along with the intense cigarette smoke that made it hard to see the oversized "no smoking" sign would have made the place intolerable. Beers were 40 RMB ($6. 00).

The next afternoon, I went on a trek to find Buddha. Unfortunately, assuming the pictures I included are of the correct establishment, it is still closed after last month's "weather storm. " The two places a block or two west were open, but I opted not to backtrack and gave up. The only thing I have to say about Buddha is that it's a very inconvenient metro connection and walk from Pudong. My goal is to find something along the #2 Line.

So, I'll be in town a second time for fun Tuesday night April 19. If anyone would like to have a beer and a wingman, let me know. Otherwise, I'll expand my explorations some now that I've figured out some map alternatives and am conditioning myself not to have phone data every second.

FT.

[HardInThePants]

Great extract of all the posts from past 15 months! This does help newbies like me a lot.

I will fly in by beginning of May and did some planning based on the past reports and SNG. I feel like having a solid base of knowledge but you never know till you're confronted with the situation.

Anyone being there on the weekend of May 7th can PM me to hook up for a beer at Judy's.

[Carage]

Many sauna manager will update their wechat gallery with pictures of their working girls.

And the big problem could be, that they also will provide girls pictures there from their working girls who are not of legal age!

Thanks for the potential child porn update, I have never thought about that.

I guess partly because I prefer more mature looking ladies, so even if they are not of legal age and they manage to fool me.

I doubt any reasonable LE will believe she is not of legal age.

Better yet, I am not into collecting pictures, trophies whatever.

I would prefer to have zero evidence on my phone that suggests I ever went to one.

[SamCan]

I just completed my first 3 nights and 2 full days in Shanghai. I had no obligations this week so I was only hampered by the long flights from the East Coast and the 12-hour time change. I only point this out because my report really is just a recon relation. I hope to do better when I return next week, assuming the Formula 1 race doesn't screw up the whole city.

FT.Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.

[The Guy]

Good job, it is obvious you have done your homework. PM me directly if I can help in anyway. Look at the SNG website for his escorts. They come to your hotel and some girls end up on specials. 999 for an hour and typically 1200-1700 for two hours. They have some reviews on them and I have found them as good as any of the viets. The viets can be a lottery however. I will say 90% of the viets I have bedded were worth what I paid. I have taken girls from 22-35 years old. Although I like the 22 year olds, I seem to have a better time with the 35 year olds.

KTVs had a lot of write ups years ago. Its more of a place to go with friends to play drinking games with the girls and take them for take out. If you are thinking FKK, you will be really disappointed. If you are traveling single, steer clear. It took me years to understand it and really doesn't work for me anyway.

I prefer Judy's over Manhattans. The girls seem nicer and less business like. It might just be there bar but the girls I have taken from there were more fun. Could be more coincidence than reality.

Stay safe. Now get out there and get some and tell us about it!

Sam.Full Throttle- In addition to Sam's excellent insight, please keep in mind that saunas are not simply higher priced massage parlors. ("Seems like MPs where FS is implied. ") Sauna girls are clearly higher-end that those in MPs. In fact, girl-for-dollar, Shanghai saunas are even somewhat competitive with Thailand, depending how you look at it. Thailand can get much pricier for a never-pregnant, young hot thing. Again, not everyone wants to spend $200 or more for an hour, but saunas have their niche.

[DoItUnderwater]

Hello friends! I will be in the SCAMHAI area the next week and wanted to check on the whether forecast. I have been informed by a sauna owner in Jing'an that there is a storm on the horizon. In that case I am wondering if I should just go to Nanjing road where there are many nice ladies who offer to take guys like me from the US to "secret" massage bars.

What is the best thing to do whilst the storm makes its way thru the SCAMHAI area?

Thank you in advance for all your profound knowledge!

H1.Hi,

Knowing how much you dislike scams, I would definitely advise you to NOT go to Nanjing Lu or any of the popular tourist areas. The scammers tend to look for people who do not appear to be local or knowledgeable of their scams.

A saying I like is: "If you don't like the taste, don't eat the food. " If you don't want to be scammed, don't go where the scammers hang out.

[Levitian]

Hi,

Knowing how much you dislike scams, I would definitely advise you to NOT go to Nanjing Lu or any of the popular tourist areas. The scammers tend to look for people who do not appear to be local or knowledgeable of their scams.

A saying I like is: "If you don't like the taste, don't eat the food. " If you don't want to be scammed, don't go where the scammers hang out.Don't worry, H1 is street-smart (and went through a steep learning curve)!

Lev.

[Traveller747]

2 days ago I wanted to visit Tang for the first time; I have read several positive comments and was eager to see it for myself. But when I entered the building the floorguide to the 6th floor had a big sticker, hiding Tangs name and both elevators were not working. I didn't want to climb the stairs to the 6th floor just to find a dark hallway. So I suppose it's closed now. Any ideas?

[The Guy]

2 days ago I wanted to visit Tang for the first time; I have read several positive comments and was eager to see it for myself. But when I entered the building the floorguide to the 6th floor had a big sticker, hiding Tangs name and both elevators were not working. I didn't want to climb the stairs to the 6th floor just to find a dark hallway. So I suppose it's closed now. Any ideas?Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.

[Traveller747]

Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. After the shower I had to wait about 15 minutes before I was led to the lineup together with a chinese customer. Between 10 and 12 girls to choose from; all doable and in the 7-9 range. It was difficult to decide, so I followed the old wisdom: when in doubt choose the biggest tits. Fortunately the chinese guy took another one, so I didn't have to change plans.

The girl not only had the biggest tits, but also a beautiful face. But as I followed her to the room, I noticed her skinny legs and not much meat on her butt. In the room she was concerned about a big western dick in her small asian pussy. After cleaning me thoroughly, she gave a nice hot and cold BBBJ. The condom came on before she slowly lowered herself onto my dick. A lot of fake moaning, no kissing, but she didn't mind changing positions. So after all no bad experience.

[Steve345]

I have one night (tonight) at Pudong airport staying at an airport hotel. Are there any bars with girls out here? Any other suggestions.

Much appreciated.

[HardInThePants]

Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. So after all no bad experience.What was the total damage and how long did you stay?

[PrinceMV2]

Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.

[NorthSouth]

I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.

[Carage]

Generally, I like to keep it simple, it is a Pay for Play purely business relationship that lasts only as long as the sauna visit.

But, for others on this board who are looking for a more GFE or romantic relationship, don't let the new national security enforcement guidelines get in your way or hit you on the way out.

The PRC Government has officially deemed April 15th as National Security Education Day or National Security Day.

Last weekend, the gov has released a hilarious short that targets every foreigner in China as potential foreign agents.

http://v.ifeng.com/news/society/201604/0143aabd-66bd-4b3a-afb9-b12569822942.shtml

Today, I just read the gov also released an accompanying comic strip that warns Chinese ladies against the "charming foreigner".

http://www.thebeijinger.com/blog/2016/04/19/happy-national-security-day-be-careful-dating-foreigners-they-could-be-spies

[The Guy]

I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.Dude- Sorry for you. Shanghai ain't the cheapest in Asia, but it's undoubtedly among the best.

[Traveller747]

What was the total damage and how long did you stay?1 hour is 880 before and 980 after 6 pm.

[Alex7J]

Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.

[PrinceMV2]

Mostly Viets and few blacks. But may be 8 Indonesians too. Yes I will agree that its fun out there. Whenever you are out of options you can safely rely on Manhattan compare to Judy. I wish we have more options like it in shanghai. If you compare with Columbian gals in Kama, Guangzhou, there attitude and service is nowhere near these Viets. Always very friendly & smiling. I advice fellow mongers to please keep the rates under control. 500 short time and 1000 rmb long time should be the max and I have never paid above it.


How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.

[SamCan]

How is the scene in Manhattan only Viets or do we have some other variety also, you could find an odd Thai or some Russians or CIS on and off, even could find a Colombian beauty and some pinays from Judy's would land up here late night. Is the live food guy with fish and meat still outside or gone. Man I miss SHG and the crazy nights I've had in Manhattan.

Are the washroom still at the far corner of the club and you have to walk back all the way in a alley, I used to be so crazy I remember as the light switch used to be at the start of the alley towards the club and while coming back from the WR I used to switch it off whenever there were some hot girls in the WR: Lolls crazy me then.

Anyhow waiting for your update news on Manhattan pussy available.Judy's is pretty much all viets and an few African girls. There are a couple white girls at Manhattans but I never spoke to them. The hallway alley is alive in both manhattans and Judy's not sure which one you are talking about. I am no longer going to Shanghai regularly and its a sad day.


I just learnt that I will either be transferred to my company's Hong Kong office or (even worse), back to the States next year. After I went RTFF in the Hong Kong and Macau threads, I'm afraid that it will be a major downgrade in quality of play (apartment houses in Dundas Street) and a substantial increase in price (Macau) when compared to Shanghai. I am so dismayed by the unhappy prospect. The only"silver lining" is that I do not have to worry about being busted, landed in jail and deported for mongering in Hong Kong.I feel your pain North South, all good things must pass. Just make it count while you are there. I am off to another playground in Amsterdam from time to time. I will admit that when you get away from the window girls, the brothels aren't bad and the value is good. My point here is Hong Kong may have a few Gems for you yet.

Stay stiff and enjoy it while you can. Sam Can

[Shanghai Guide]

Mostly Viets and few blacks. But may be 8 Indonesians too. Yes I will agree that its fun out there. Whenever you are out of options you can safely rely on Manhattan compare to Judy. I wish we have more options like it in shanghai. If you compare with Columbian gals in Kama, Guangzhou, there attitude and service is nowhere near these Viets. Always very friendly & smiling. I advice fellow mongers to please keep the rates under control. 500 short time and 1000 rmb long time should be the max and I have never paid above it.For all the guys who blame on the "over-payer" in Manhattan or Judy's.

This kind of discussion come up very often. The idea is, that the girls in Manhattan or Judy's would get used to higher rates and that would ruin the market price and would destroy the chances for the bargain hunter to make a good deal there finally any more.

I am pretty sure, that the "bargain hunter" would better invite the "over-payer" for some free beer instead of blaming them. Because without this guys they would never got their deals any more and in worst case no one of us would get the chance to get any deal their, because they would simply not be there any more if every one would have the same "budget rules" like you mentioned above. Everyone who is here in Shanghai for longer time already will have made the experience, that all around has getting much more expensive. My apartment is 3 times higher than it has been 2008, my shoemaker charge 1400 now for the same I paid 600 in 2008. How should exactly the girls in Manhattan be able to spend 3 times more for their expenses here, but keep their price the same? That would (and will) never work. If they would have to keep the price stable, they would have only the chance to raise up the frequency and meet more clients, what in fact not so easy is but probably the reason why most of the girls try to charge an overnight. One overnight even every night would probably not weep many Girls in that area.

[The Guy]

Because I had no success at Tang I chose BaDiYa on Zhaojiabang Road instead. A big building styled a bit like roman baths. After the shower I had to wait about 15 minutes before I was led to the lineup together with a chinese customer. Between 10 and 12 girls to choose from; all doable and in the 7-9 range. It was difficult to decide, so I followed the old wisdom: when in doubt choose the biggest tits. Fortunately the chinese guy took another one, so I didn't have to change plans.

The girl not only had the biggest tits, but also a beautiful face. But as I followed her to the room, I noticed her skinny legs and not much meat on her butt. In the room she was concerned about a big western dick in her small asian pussy. After cleaning me thoroughly, she gave a nice hot and cold BBBJ. The condom came on before she slowly lowered herself onto my dick. A lot of fake moaning, no kissing, but she didn't mind changing positions. So after all no bad experience.Inspired by Traveller747, I checked out BaDiYa (in Kang Ding's absence). Not bad. I couldn't make the early bird special so paid 980. Decent line-up. No absolute stunners but plenty of hot girls. All in all, very happy with my pick's attitude and performance. She was one of the youngest and hottest, by my standards. (By the way, she told me she earns 450 for each client, servicing 5-9 per day, her daily take far exceeds her monthly salary back home. Plans to work 2 years, then go home buy a house and find a husband. Real illustration of how prostitution can empower some poor women).

[Tazman099]

Word I've gotten is that the places within the hongqiao police station may possibly open again after the summer. However, new places are opening very near but within the caohejing police station. I know of at least two. One with an English speaking contact.

It's really interesting, little more than an intersection can make a huge difference.

Cheers,

Taz.

[Tazman099]

Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.My guess is it might still be open. I used to frequent dongsong, and without saying the magic words to the right person, you'd end up standing in the elevator like an idiot. The button for the 4th floor simply didn't work. However, once you were properly announced, the elevator would magically head up to fun.

[Sinofaguo]

Word I've gotten is that the places within the hongqiao police station may possibly open again after the summer. However, new places are opening very near but within the caohejing police station. I know of at least two. One with an English speaking contact.

It's really interesting, little more than an intersection can make a huge difference.

Cheers,

Taz.Actually Gubei is in Changning district so it wasn't affected by the minhang issues (it was end of last year though when things were still ok in Minhang).

Lots of places in Changning.

On a side note the rumor about Hong Mei Road shops closing in June is confirmed as a possibility. But not yet certain (I guess negotiations are still going on.).

Business is horrible in this area though since January so regardless some place may close even if it doesn't become mandatory.

[Shanghai Guide]

Strange since SNG reported it open having checked April 2016. Might be good to hear from Steven.I just double checked it with the manager and seems their "camouflage strategy" worked well. At least for that guy who tried to go there. Seems without contacting the manager, what this days because of the "alarm level" will fail mostly. I went to 4 different sauna clubs with customers on Friday and Saturday and not even one used their Main door for bring their clients in. So actually I would not recommend anyone to go to any sauna in Shanghai this days without asking forehand if they are open and for the "rules" to find in.

And better not get tricked to a "Honeypot" massage place which use the same name. I had a guy last week who blamed me a lot, because he insist to get the address without get a VIP membership. And next day he told me very proud that he found the Tang Dynasty Sauna and got a massage there. But who ever has been in the Kang Ding Sauna would not call it a "massage" and additional I know the place was really closed this day. That information I even give him without a membership to avoid he waste his time to go there. It was a good feeling to know that this guy has been tricked like that, but not everyone should get this experience. So if the place you come out is NOT on the Qi Xin Road, than something is going wrong.

Have fund and play safe.

[PrinceMV2]

LOL. Do you think the girls can't survive in shanghai earning 1000 rmb a night its 30 thousand a month and that too I said after 2.30 am I gave. A gal told me she is paying 100 rmb per day rent on average sharing basis with her friend. Anyway with due regards it was just my opinion and mongers friends are free to pay whatever they want. It can only bother someone because if the going rate is less in Manhattan few saunas can loose some business. But I don't think theres any comparison.

Regards


For all the guys who blame on the "over-payer" in Manhattan or Judy's.

This kind of discussion come up very often. The idea is, that the girls in Manhattan or Judy's would get used to higher rates and that would ruin the market price and would destroy the chances for the bargain hunter to make a good deal there finally any more.

I am pretty sure, that the "bargain hunter" would better invite the "over-payer" for some free beer instead of blaming them. Because without this guys they would never got their deals any more and in worst case no one of us would get the chance to get any deal their, because they would simply not be there any more if every one would have the same "budget rules" like you mentioned above. Everyone who is here in Shanghai for longer time already will have made the experience, that all around has getting much more expensive. My apartment is 3 times higher than it has been 2008, my shoemaker charge 1400 now for the same I paid 600 in 2008. How should exactly the girls in Manhattan be able to spend 3 times more for their expenses here, but keep their price the same? That would (and will) never work. If they would have to keep the price stable, they would have only the chance to raise up the frequency and meet more clients, what in fact not so easy is but probably the reason why most of the girls try to charge an overnight. One overnight even every night would probably not weep many Girls in that area..

[Shanghai Guide]

Jingan still has many options. The powers that be are only playing the whack a mole game. I had a nice BBBJ for 258. Others report the same to me via pm.I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.

[Optional]

So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?

[PrinceMV2]

Being a very senior member of ISG I think and believe that ISG itself is a guide as it was know previously as guide. There are loads of mongers who share their experiences and opinions and suggestions. Do it need people who are there only to give advices. Question is why some people just keep on giving advices and try to guide others without their personal interests. Are they here to promote some personal saunas or sites. Than they must be posting every thing for their benefits on commissions only. I have seen reports of some so called free suggestions providers. They are seniors with almost 300 reports but I can't find a single FR in their last 30/40 postings. Only comments or suggestions on others postings that too for their own benefit. I hope dear Jackson will be noticing it. ISG don't require guides or suggestions providers. ISG Itself is a huge guide. So please post your field reports and experiences to help each others. Don't behave like news reporters / news providers / free suggestion guides. Regards to everyone.

[The Guy]

So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?

As for pricing, it really depends on hotness of girl. You can get an idea from SNG's escorts. Prices are listed.

[The Guy]

I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.Seems saunas / massage parlors in Xuhui operating as usual. Is that right?

[Carage]

I don't think it is the time to bet on a game now. A new leader always need to proof his power first and the new leader in Jing An did it actually last Friday by killing his first Mole!

There is (or better was) a sauna in No. 825 yan an Zhong lu, near Shan xi lu called Shu Yi Quan sauna, medium class with girls between 900 and 1400 RMB. They ignored the closing order and that followed up the the first police action against a sauna in Jing An district I hear about yet. This kind of "hot raid" where they come in a running business is not what a sauna is used to. Normally they get the "weather forecast warning", they close, than there will be a cold raid without guest, not workers, girls or manager. Which never will be followed by problems. This "hot raid" brought several people in serious problems. They took around 30 to 40 guests to the police station, where 2 have been released while the others are still arrested.

So I would strongly recommend to avoid any naughty activity this days in Jing An (and Zha Bei) District. Because both under the same administration now!

Have fun but stay safe.Wow, I've actually been to the place like 8 years ago.

It is one of the first saunas I visited in Shanghai.

I stopped going there after I realized nuru massage is better than dry massage.

Still sad to hear it got raided.

[SamCan]

So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?I think SNG pricing would be too high to compare for a Sauna girl out of work without a website and reviews. If I look at post 10130 below, one girl has stated she gets 2300-4000 rmb per day from a sauna. I would think you could easily get the girl for 2000-3000 for the day (24 hours). This is unless she has quite a client list already built.

Think about it They are banging 5-9 times a day. Unless you are superman, she's probably going to have an easier day with you as well as a more pleasant day where you will take her out to eat etc. Steven's girls (as he has stated) sometimes only get one customer a day for 1200-1500 RMB. But they prefer the work to saunas as it is less work on their bodies. She might welcome a little "boyfriend" like experience. Vs multiple bangs per day.

Just remember, where ever you start is where you will set the price. I would shoot for 2500 and 3000 if you really wanted her. I think this is more than fair and may be more than she expects.

[RainmanSahut]

I go to both Shanghai and Guangzhou quiet often.

You should be able to easily fall between 1500-2500 per day, all day.

Rainman


So one of my regular Sauna girls has stopped working due to the "weather"; instead now she is trying to be a freelancer. I want to have her for a full-day outcall (like an entire day, morning to night) - but what would be a reasonable price to pay for something like that? I'm not quite sure, as I've only ever done 1-hour sessions in the past. At the Sauna she used to work at, she was 1000 rmb / hour. Is 3000 rmb reasonable for an entire day outcall? Or is that too low?

[SamCan]

Being a very senior member of ISG I think and believe that ISG itself is a guide as it was know previously as guide. There are loads of mongers who share their experiences and opinions and suggestions. Do it need people who are there only to give advices. Question is why some people just keep on giving advices and try to guide others without their personal interests. Are they here to promote some personal saunas or sites. Than they must be posting every thing for their benefits on commissions only. I have seen reports of some so called free suggestions providers. They are seniors with almost 300 reports but I can't find a single FR in their last 30/40 postings. Only comments or suggestions on others postings that too for their own benefit. I hope dear Jackson will be noticing it. ISG don't require guides or suggestions providers. ISG Itself is a huge guide. So please post your field reports and experiences to help each others. Don't behave like news reporters / news providers / free suggestion guides. Regards to everyone.I welcome all information whether field reports or information that are suggestions. I am an intelligent person that can decide what I want to use and not. More information beats less. Some of us have spent enough time in Shanghai we have opinions and think we can help. Why does it matter what form it takes?

We have one post wonders that only ask for information and trolls that want to stir the pot. In my opinion they are less welcome than anyone trying to help.

Just my POV.

SAM.

[PrinceMV2]

Thought of trying some other clubs. To begin reached at the famous club rouge at bund for their terrace opening party. Awesome expat crowd at entry. Told them the gurstlist password and entered without cover. Totally jam packed inside. Costly drinks at 80 rmb whiskey. Dint find the pickup kinda setting so left in an hour. Next one club see, s. Again very good crowd but mostly friends and girlfriends like gatherings. Over to famous basement club shelter. Some action found here. A little gal of around 18 almost ate my lip when I offered her a drink. LOL. Its almost 3. 30 now and raining heavily. Still managed to reach the final destination Manhattan but the pick able ones are all gone already and the leftovers not up to my liking. Back to my hotel. .

[Bmvetc]

Entered Manhattan around 10.45 and it was so lovely and many picks there tonight. Had a few beers talking and enjoying with many girls. The best part of the girls there is the friendly nature. Finally picked a beautiful viet around 2. Settled for 1000 for remaining night. Overall very GF experienced. Had wechat exchanges and she made me fb friend immediately. DFK / BBBJ / DATY all on menu without prob. Left around 10 in the morning. Had her number and wechat ID if any fellow monger needs.So can you provide this Viet girl's number or wechat ID?

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[Marelobo Mex]

I change my clothes, the guide is still in the waiting room, I go to pay while he changes back into his clothes. The cost was 1000 yuan, which is 500 cheaper than I paid for the other girl.

Which session was better I am not sure. They were both good but neither was great. The first girl speaking English was a major plus and maybe she really is going to flight attendant school, that would explain the English. Tonights girl while not quite as attractive, I would rate them both 8's. Despite having a round face, less make up made her prettier. Despite having a small stomach versus a flat stomach and a much bigger looking pussy, the tighter pussy would make her better, and of course the price being 33% cheaper makes her a better deal. However, her ticklishness and not getting to thoroughly grope her or suck her tits between sessions was a negative.

I guess the question is would I repeat with either one. The answer is I could since I had fun with both girls and am certainly going to think about each of them when jerking off. But my prefence is to try someone new, someone younger, someone with a firmer and tighter school girl body.

And the end of the session the guide asked me if I want to try another sauna. But it is already midnight, and I am fighting jet lag plus I just came 2 times. I say no we had better call it a night. We catch a taxi, drop him off and then the driver continues on to my hotel. Where I collapse into bed for some much needed sleep.

I am really looking forward to my next trip to Shanghai, and participating in its nightlife. I plan to opt for the guided option again.

[Marelobo Mex]

I have her roll onto her back and she spreads her legs wide showing me her pussy. I take her hand and put it on her pussy and she touches herself nicely mostly rubbing her clit but fingering herself up to her first knuckle. Although her pussy is big, I already know how tight it is and looking at her pussy I find the view stimulating and I want to penetrate her. I reach for a condom, T99 grabs the hot kiss and wants to apply it to my dick, but I say no. I have her get in the doggy position I know it is only a half an hour since I pulled out of her pussy but I feel that nice tightness envelop my penis again, and slowly press her from the doggy style position down so she is laying on her stomach, and I am thrusting into her. This goes on for about 10 minutes while my dick throbs with more and more pleasure. She is laying there taking a good pounding, and I tell her to say fuck me. Which she says on each in stroke that I penetrate her pussy. I reach down with my hand feel her pubic hair and I press her pussy back into my dick while I thrust deeply into her pussy causing me to cum. She inspects the condom and seems happy to see so much sperm filling it.

We go back to the shower and she is not annoyed this time. She is playful and quickly rinses herself and then enjoys repeating spraying water all over my face and hair. She offer to shampoo me, but I decline as my skin can be sensitive and I don't know what is in the shampoo. Back at the bed we talk about the different body parts in Chinese and English. We review my sheet of Chinese provinces and capitals. She does at least let me fondle her tits a little bit, but again stops me when I try to suck on them. She flips over and lays on her stomach. She takes a pen and some kleenexs and begins sketching a portrait of me. It is not terrible and she seems to have some artistic talent. She gives it to me as a present. I had brought a 3rd condom with me, and she is asking if I can use it. I say no way. She laughs and smiles so I give it to her as a present. A couple minutes later the phone rings and we are done.

[Marelobo Mex]

She looks extremely cute all covered in sperm. And it looks like 4 guys just came on her. She also looks a little annoyed that she is wearing so much cum all over her face, which only contributes to her cuteness. After about a minute she gets up to go to the shower. And I try to help her rinse my cum off but she doesn't seem to want me to touch her and slaps my hand away several times. Evenually she grabs some kleenexes to wipe the remaining cum off her face and then resumes her shower. When she is satisfied she has washed off all my cum. She starts to rinse me off. It is hot in the room and I am sweating from my physical exursions. I show her to not only shower my body but also to point the water at my face and my hair. At first she doesn't want to do that, but when she finally does she begins laughing and seems to think it is funny to spray water on my face. But it helps me to cool down so we are both happy.

We return to the bed and she sees more cum on the pillow and on the sheet. I flip the pillow over and she laughs. She cleans the sheet with kleenexs and we lay down on the bed, she wants to do more kissing, I mostly kiss her neck and ear. I want to do groping. She does let me fondle with her tits for a while but will only let me suck on them for a little bit before she stops me. She doesn't want me to touch her armpits. The rest of her body she is pretty squirmy where ever I touch her. I do enjoy it when she plays with my dick and my balls. She lays down on her stomach and allows me to squeeze her ass. Similar to the rest of her body it is not totally firm but very enjoyable to grope. The conversation has ceased, and she is just laying there looking at me. I do find her to be attractive, and laying next to a young naked girl is a great way to pass some time. Pretty soon I feel the blood flowing back into my dick. Each time I squeeze her ass cheek my dick gets a little bit firmer. Normally I need a longer recovery time, but I am happy to see my cock hardening again.

[Marelobo Mex]

As this point in time I am ready to start fucking. I grab a condom and when I attempt to put it on T99 wants to put some hot kiss gel on my dick. I don't know what that is but I just tell her no, I don't need that. So she spreads her legs wide, but I kneel near her face and gently take her head and have her blow me while I am kneeling on the bed. It is a decent blowjob. I have my hand on her head and I am slowly pushing more and more of my dick into her mouth while she continues sucking on it. She is able to get 4 inches in her mouth. We only do this for short time.

I release her head and she lays back down, smiles and spreads those legs invitingly. I easily sink into her and am pleasantly surprised that despite that big pussy her pussy is tight much tighter than the other girl. I get into a slow methodical in and out rhythm. She is doing some fake moaning but much less than the girl in the other session, which makes this session more enjoyable. As I move in and out of her, she is squeezing with both her arms and her legs on the strokes when I thrust in. I don't know if she thinks that will make me cum faster. I only fuck her for 5 minutes before I roll over and have her ride me cowgirl. I enjoy the view and let her ride for 15 minutes until she is tired from all her bouncing up and down. I had her change the angle three times and since her pussy is tight I stay completely hard. 20 minutes of sex is good, but I am going for more. She seems relieved to get out of cowgirl and offers herself in doggie. I am still amazed by how darn big her pussy looks especially since it is so tight. I easily sink into her but do not move much, as I want to cum. I basically kneel there with my dick thrust up her and her ass pressed into me. I very slowly move in and out. Each time I feel pleasure I stop until the feeling subsides. She is has given up on the moaning, and is just kneeling there ass up, face down, pussy full of my dick. As we approach 30 minutes of sex I can't last much longer.

I pull my dick out, take the condom off and I put her hand on her pussy, and kneel on top of her and start to stroke my dick. She barely has time to move her hand from her pussy to her face and she is indicating none on her face. But it is too late as I am cumming and I have a huge load of sperm. She tries to block with her right hand, but I catch her right hand in my left hand. So she tries to block with her left hand but I am moving my dick around and as large splashes of sperm land on her face, in her hair, on her neck and on her chest and even the top of her stomach. After shot 7 fires out she finally grabs my dickhead with her left hand and block the remaining 3 shots.

[Marelobo Mex]

We start with a little small talk, but it is very little as she can't speak English and I can't speak Chinese. I did bring a couple of pieces of paper that had some Chinese questions on them as well as a few condoms. I learn she is from Jiangsu. I know that borders Shanghai, and apparently I like Jiangsu girls. Her name is Nan and she is 24 years old (although her picture says 22, perhaps it is 2 years old). Darn, I was hoping for younger as my last girl was 23, and I guess there is really no difference between 23 and 24 other than to say neither is 20 which is more my school girl target age.

Nan takes off her white dress and just as I suspected it is covering the beginning of a slight stomach bulge. Probably normal for a 24 year old girl. But M28 from my prior trip had a totally flat stomach. I have Nan walk over and I put my left hand on her front and reach around with my right hand and undo the three clips on her bra. She seemed impressed with that. Getting to see her tits for the first time, I am happy. They are nice small A cups (although her photo said be cups), and she looked like the girl with the smallest tits in the line up. She has small nipples. Her breasts are not totally firm like a was hoping, but they are very good. Again I would say this is normal for a 24 year old girl. She gyrates around and dances in front of the bed, she tries to get me to dance with her, but I did not come here to dance. She takes her shoes off and she was wearing 5 inch heels so she is about 5 feet 4 inches. She removes her panties and we go to the shower. It is nice to shower with her and get my hands on her body. I also needed a shower after that long flight. She smiles as she runs her hand through my chest hair and says she likes it. As she strokes my chest hair she puts my hand on her pussy hair and asks if I like it? I say I do. She says USA girls motions with her fingers like she is cutting her pubic hair? I say yes.

Next she moves me onto the Nuru massage. I have never done this before and I am not sure what all the fuss is about. When I am on stomach I can't really touch her. The layer of goup she applies so she slides easily is not pleasing to me. I think she can sense something is not right, probably because I am not hard. She is slipping and sliding so fast that I don't find it pleasurable or sensual. I experience this for about 10 minutes hoping it improves, until I tell her I have had enough. We shower again to remove all the Nuru jelly from our bodies.

We move to the bed and feel each other up for a bit. I lay on my back, and she starts at my mouth with some kissing. I am not that big of a kisser but we kiss for a short time. She slowly works her way down, stopping to lick my nipples. When she gets to my dick, I prevent her from popping it in her mouth and instead have her lick the shaft. Then I point at my balls, and she goes and spends about 5 minutes sucking on them. It was of the better ball licking and sucking I have experienced. If she was worried I wasn't hard during the Nuru, she seems pleased with my hard on now.

I have her scoot up and switch positions. She is laying on her back and spreads her legs wide so I can fuck her. But I have some other ideas. I start licking and kissing her neck and her ear gently nibbling my way down her body. I am not pleased that she is extremely ticklish. She starts to giggle when I press my lips against most parts of her physique. Although she does let me suck her tits for a few minutes, when I try her stomach or her legs she gets all squirmy, so I really did not get to grope and lick her as much as I wanted. I tried flipping her over and working on her back side, but she was just as ticklish there and seemed happy to quickly return to her front side.

Instead I head down between her legs and inpect her pussy. It a big looking pussy. My other sauna girl had a small pussy. I can't help but compare the two. They are both from Jiangsu and about the same height. The other girl had a perfectly flat stomach, a very small looking pussy and a smaller ass, and was comfortable letting me grope her the whole session and I spent as much time as I wanted with her tits in my mouth. Plus she had one inverted nipple which was sexy. She could speak English. Both girls have equally nice tits and neither was completely firm. T99 has a rounder smaller face. I think the other girl is naturally prettier. However, T99 is wearing a lot less make up and in general the lack of make up makes her the prettier of the two. T99 also has a little stomach and a slightly bigger ass. Not a big ass, still a sexy ass, but slightly bigger. T99 has a substantially bigger pussy. But T99's best attribute is her pussy feels much tighter. She does a much better masturbation show, and she licks my finger and lets me insert it into her while she is masturbating. I press her G spot a couple of times but she doesn't seem to like that, so I stop.

[Marelobo Mex]

It is now 11:00 pm And this sauna is in a much newer building and nicer facilities than the the other. We change out of our clothes but the shorts they provide are too small and we struggle to wiggle into them. The sauna guy finally gets bigger shorts for us to use and tell us just to keep our shirts on instead of changing into their shirts. We are presented a line up of 9 girls. None look that hot or that young. The majority have see-cup tits which are too big for me. There are 2 girls whose tops obscue their torsos so I can't judge their bodies. There is one who I find more attractive than the others, she is T99. She is wearing a see through white dress over her underwear, and I am worried that dress is obscuring her figure. I can also see her bra strap is very thick, which is a warning sign for droopy tits. I decline all of the girls, and we go back to the waiting room.

We are called back 15 minutes later and we see the same line up with 2 more girls. Neither of the new girls look especially attractive. It is getting late, I am tired with jet lag and I decide best to take T99 instead of waiting another 15 minutes. As for the guide he declines a session since he likes the same type of girls I do and they are just not here tonight. He allowed me to take the one he thought was most attractive also. He settles back into the waiting room while I head off to the session room.

[Marelobo Mex]

This report picks up where the last one left off. When I next checked my email there was a reply from the SNG people. They received my request but were a little backed up and if I was still in town, they would send a person to me for the guided sauna visit. Unfortunately, I had already left China, but I replied I would take advantage when I am back in few months.

Fast forward same story as last time, I fly into Shanghai, and have a free night before my work meetings start. I get in touch with SNG and make arrangements to meet my guide at Perry's bar in the Jing An district. This is an old bar and it was reasonably empty but had cold beer.

The guide arrived at 7:30 pm, he was a wealth of knowledge on the sauna scene. He helped me to translate the Chinese on the picture from the M28 girl on at my prior visit. Told me that it says. Airline flight attendant trainee. Aparently when she gets too old for the Sauna, she plans to be a stewardess.

We talk about the kind of girls that I like which are young, and thin with small perky tits. Turns out he likes the same type. He shares stories about his many sexual escapades around Shanghai. I know we have been sitting in the bar for a while but the conversation was so fascinating and it is rare I am around another guy who appreciates and understands my desired female company. I am shocked when we leave Perry's and see we have been conversing for 2 hours, and it is now 9:30. We taxi to the sauna, he tells me this is a new sauna he is researching and they are known for having young girls. I think awesome, I like young girls. We enter and it is busy. There are dudes everywhere. This is why it is important to have a guide, as I would have never understood what was going on. They tell us, we will need to wait. And even their waiting room is full, so we are taken to the locker room and wait there. After 15 minutes they come to offer a girl. She is not that young, I would guess mid 20's. She has see cup tits with a small droop to them. She also has the beginning of a small stomach. She is definetly not what I am seeking. It stands to reason if they are so busy, she is the one girl none of the other guys want. We wait 15 more minutes and this doesn't seem to be working out. The guide takes a picture of the building and we move to a second sauna.

[Marelobo Mex]

I get dressed and for the first time I notice the thermostat on the wall and it says 27 degrees celcius, that is over 80 fareheight. No wonder it hot in the room, although M28 did not seem hot and actually thought is was a little cold. She walks me back to the locker room where the tout is. I retrieve my stuff from the locker and we go to the cashier. It cost $1500 yuan. A reasonable price, although certainly not cheap.

The pros are the girl was hot and she was willing. She was nice and she could speak some English. It was easy getting changed in the room with the girl.

The cons are she was not aroused and it had a bit of a mechanical feel. Also communication was limited because of the language barrier. Next time I will bring my dictionary into the room with me. There was a small selection or girls, and you don't get to see the girl's tits before you choose her. I would also like to know their ages before I choose them.

There are way worse ways to spend eighty minutes.

As I am leaving I asked them to get a taxi for me, but the tout just takes me outside to Henan Lu, and tells me to flag one down for myself. It take me about 15 minutes before I find one that does not already have a passenger.

Having taken care of my balls, other pressing biological needs become my priority. I am both hungry and tired. And although food is appealing, I opt for the bed to get some much needed relaxing sleep, as I know the breakfast buffet will be waiting for me in the morning.

[Marelobo Mex]

This goes on for maybe 10 minutes before I can hear the girl in the next room getting fucked and she is screaming similar to the way M28 was screaming about half an hour earlier. I wonder if they teach them to scream that way. Not only can I hear the girl screaming but the guy is grunting away pretty loudly like he is totally enjoying himself. As I listen to their sexual relations I start to wonder what they look like and think it would be fun to watch them as well as listening to them. I look down at my dick and it is back to being hard again. I am surprised by this, but I think I am not wasting a hard on, worst thing is I stick it in M28 and am not able to cum. So I wake her up from her nap and say give me a condom, and she asks if I want to fuck?, and I say yes fuck. So she puts the condom on me and grabs her tube of lube to wet her pussy. She gets in the doggy style position and I quickly slide in her. Again I am not getting much feeling, out of this, even though she looks hot with her ass up and her face down. I push her down until she is laying on her stomach which causes my dick to pop about half way out of her pussy, so she reaches her hand between her legs and guides my cock back in. With this position she has her legs pressed together making her pussy tighter. I still hear the couple in the next room banging away while I start a slow and methodical in and out motion on her. I can see with each in stroke her eyes slightly bulge and she is definitely feeling me poking her cervix, as she says big dick almost every time I thrust into her. I like the way she looks with me being on top of her going into that small sexy body. I am getting harder and harder and eventually get ready to cum again. I know we don't have too much time left.

So I take my right hand slide it down under her body, push it through her pussy hair until the palm of my hand is full with her pussy hair. I take my two fingers and press her pussy lips together around my dick increasing the tightness of her pussy and stroke in and out until I finish. See smiles when I cum. I am not sure if it because I am pulling out of her pussy or because she made me cum. She take the condom off and again remarks on what a big load it is and says that is the amount guys usually shoot for their first load. We rinse off in the shower, and just as we are finishing drying off we climb back on the bed and the phone rings for the end of the session.

[Marelobo Mex]

We return to the bed and she asks if I want her to massage me. I say no. She asks if I want to massage her and I say no. So we just lay down on the bed and start to talk. We have some trouble because of language but she knows quite a bit of English. As we are laying there I continue to feel her up, and I have her hold my dick in her hand. She tells me she is from Jiangsu province. She is 23 years old (although her photo says 21, mayber it was taken 2 years ago) and at 23 that is why her tits are slightly soft, and normal for a 23 year old. She has a younger brother and sister. I am surprised by this as I thought they have a 1 child policy in China but I confirm it with her several times. She says she thinks all Americans are weathly and Chinese are poor. However I know a lot of rich Chinese. She tells me her name is Baby. I think this is the default name for sauna girls in China. She says she wants me to come and see her again while I am in town. I ask if she has a lot of foreign customers and she says almost no foreigners just Chinese. We practice teaching eash other the names of the different body parts in English and in Chinese.

At one point she gives a big yawn, and I ask her if she is tired, and she says yes. She asks if I want a massage, I say no. She asks if I want to massage her and I say no. She is holding my totally soft dick in her hands and asks if I want fuck, and before I can answer she just laughs knowing I would need a hard on before that is possible. She asks if I want to sleep. I say no, She asks if she can sleep, and I say ok.

It take her less than 5 minutes to fall asleep and this is the first thing she has not been faking. She is completely naked lying on her stomach and her breathing is rhythmic and peaceful. She looks beautiful like this accept for the heavy layer of make up caking her face. I curl up next to her and grope her while she is sleeping. I start with the side of her left breast, slding my hand down the left side of her stomach cupping her ass check and then mainly focusing on rubbing her ass. As I alternate between both cheeks squeezing lightly while touching her pussy and ass.

[Marelobo Mex]

In the shower she starts to wash me, and I get hard the moment her hand contacts my dick. She runs her hand across my chest and says she likes the hair, I guess that is not common for Chinese guys, but I am glad she likes it as I have plenty of chest hair. She gives me a light rinsing all over and then proceeds to give me a hand job in the shower. When she is sufficiently pleased with my hard on. She turns me around and rinses my back and gives me a towel to dry off. She then proceeds to wash herself. I just watch her. She asks me to lie down on the bed and she will start the massage. She uses her hands for about a minute and then moves onto putting water in her mouth and concentrates on sucking my right nipple. I think this is what I want to be doing to her.

One negative is she is wearing lipstick and leaving lipstick marks on my chest and face where she is kissing me. I finally take more control and pull her on top of me and start to squeeze and kiss her body. I inhale her breasts. She says she likes that. And finally she states that I want to massage her. So she flips over on her back and I start to kiss and lick her. She seems to like having her neck nuzzled and her ear bitten, she is surprised that I like licking her armpits and thinks that is weird. I lick both her front and her back side I take her hand and put it down on her pussy indicating her to touch herself. She does this but is not aroused at all. I put my face down by her pussy and I do not detect any scent. I go to insert my finger in her pussy but she stops me and says no for hand, only for dick.

I comply with her wishes. She says ok, now she massages me again and has me lie back down. She begins to lick my balls and my shaft but when she gets to my cock I am telling her I want to use a condom, but she doesn't understand and all she gets out of condom is that I want to have sex. She keeps saying ok, you fuck me now. So after a few trys at communicating this, I say ok I fuck you now. She puts the condom on me, rolls over and lays down on her back, spreads her legs in the missionary position and takes lube from her purse to make her pussy wet. I knew she wasn't aroused.

She says my dick is very big. Usually I call BS on this but I guess in China my six inches could be considered big. Despite her small looking pussy. After a moment or two, I slide right in and she is quite capable of handling my dick and a much larger sized dick. As I first penetrate her, her eyes bug out like I hit a sensitive spot, but she wiggles her hips and adjusts the angle so she can easily accommodate me. Once in this position I get into a good rythym pounding her pretty hard. She has begun screaming moaning. I would normally tell a girl to be quiet, but I figure here, let her scream. I can further tell by her screams that these are not screams of arousal, but a well practiced and reheasrsed routine of fuck me screams. It is almost as if she wants to let the management know she is fucking her customer.

Several times she thinks I have finished and scoots out from under me only to check the condom and see no sperm in it. Each time she opens her legs wider and I resume pounding her. Pushing her legs up closer and closer to her head, which also makes her pussy feel tighter and tighter. At one point she seems to tire of screaming and just lies there as I pound into her. This goes on for about 15 minutes before I notice that I am getting hot and starting to sweat, so I tell her to get on top and ride me cow girl. She does but she is not a very tight in cowgirl. I just watch her hot body bouncing up and down and I enjoy the visual and enjoy her doing the work instead of me. But with the condom, the jet lag, the lube, and her pussy not being that tight. I am actually getting softer instead of harder.

So she suggests we change to doggy and I pound her pussy again for a few minutes. This time she makes better moans and she is not screaming but keeps saying big dick over and over again each time I thrust into her. She stops to check the condom and we have been having sex for more than 20 minutes, so I say ok, I will finish and have her lay down on the bed, take off the condom and I go to put my dick by her face. She motions no face, but tits are ok. I try several times to convince her for face. In having this negotiation, I go soft.

Instead I lay back down on the bed and I have her lay on top of me and suck her left breast with the inverted nipple and stroke my dick with my right hand. I was planning to just get good and hard and then flip her over but I stroked a little too hard and start cumming so I quickly pull her down on top of me and cum all over her stomach. She remarks at how much cum I have, and it was a pretty huge load. She actually plays with the cum a bit rubbing it into her skin before getting up to go in the shower and rinse us both off.

[Marelobo Mex]

We walk across a short hall and I am brought into a room with 5 girls. I was expecting a much bigger selection, maybe these are the ones who are willing to be with a foreigner. A lady in charge approaches me with a price sheet showing how much to pay for the different letters. This matched the prices on the SNG site. I was planning to take an A or S girl as I like girls with small breasts. But of the 5 girls the only one that seems to have small breasts is the M girl. I know she is more expensive, I look hard at their faces to see if any are old. It is more difficult to tell on Asian girls. None of the girls are smiling or even look happy. I select M28 as she seems to be the only one with small tits, although I worry that she has deflation issues as her bra has a thick strap with 3 clips on it and that is a warning her tits may not be firm.

When I select M28, she does smile and comes toward me, takes my hand and arm and leads me around the corner down a short hallway. There appears to be some kind of dressing room where several more girls are putting on makeup. There is a room next to it with two girls laying on the bed. M28 walks into that room rouses the girls from the bed and kicks them out. We enter the room and M28 puts a new sheet on the bed, and gives me a hug and I smell her for the first time, and she has a nice fresh young female scent. She says in English she is happy I chose her and to take my cloths off and wash. I am shocked as I didn't think she would be able to speak any English. Her English isn't perfect but it is way better than my Chinese. I say you can speak English, and she says only a little. I think I got very lucky with her. I am confused about where to put my clothes and she montions on the radiator. I think the radiator will be hot but it isn't. I strip down and go into the shower. She strips down. Next time I think I will want to undress her. She looks nice. She is about 5 feet 3 inches. She has no fat on her, very flat stomach, nice ass and a serious thigh gap. Her tits are small A cups, exactly what I wanted. Her left breast has an inverted nipple and her right has a regular nipple. She looks sexy as hell. Her tits are not as firm as I hoped but certainly enjoyable. She is wearing a lot of make up and she is pretty girl who would look better with less make up. She has a reasonable amount of pussy hair and a small looking pussy.

[Marelobo Mex]

A few minutes later I am out of the hotel picking up a card with the hotel name on it so I can return easily. I enter a taxi parked in front of my hotel. It takes me almost 5 minutes to convince the driver to call the phone number I wrote down on a piece of paper on his cell phone. I finally give him 100 yuan note in advance to get him to make the call. The Sauna gives him the address and off we go.

I have just arrived in Shanghai and I realize I am both hungry and tired with the jet lag. I probably should have stayed in my hotel, but I have a full agenda of work planned this week and doubt there is another night I will have the time to pursue femine company. Plus, after the stress of traveling, I could really use some the sexual release.

It doesn't take the driver long to reach the spa, maybe 20 minutes. He starts to make change for my 100 yuan and I tell him to keep it but have him call the number again. This time when I ask for an English speaking person the guy can barely speak English and asks me to give the phone back to the taxi driver.

We are someplace close to the intersection of Henan Lu and Fuxing Lu. I see a Tesco across the street from us. Two minutes later the tout appears to collect me. I again try talking to him in English but he can't understand me.

We walk diagnol across the street along a small street until we get to a non descript building with a non descript door that leads to a stair case going down. Once we get down he takes me to a locker room. There are several other guys in it. I put my shoes and sweatshirt into the locker. He motions to me to stop getting undressed, but does tell me to put my book into the locker. That was the phrasebook I was going to use to talk to the girl. Oh well I will see how this goes. He gives me a wrist band for the locker and some slippers to wear.

[Marelobo Mex]

My first impression of China is it has changed a lot. The people seem far less rude and pushy and much more helpful and accommodating. There is significantly less spitting and less people chain smoking. It used to be in every restaurant or public area was a fog of smoke. I would say smoking has declined dramatically. China is cleaner than I remember. What has stayed the same is no one can understand me despite my attempts to speak Mandarin.

I arrive at my hotel and get changed. I had emailed the people at SNG multiple times and they did not respond. The first thing I do when I reach my room is call them but the number has a message saying it is disconnected. I think I am out of luck, and I will just have to stay in my room and jack off. I do have a work phone but they monitor who we call, and I couldn't see calling a brothel and trying to explain that. So I pretty much have to use my room phone.

I decide I will make a few phone calls and hope I find an English speaking person. I try calling the Dong Guan spa, as the SNG mentions they may speak English. I ask for an English speaking person. They get a lady who can speak almost perfect English, and she says that I should call her from the taxi. I explain that I don't have a phone I can use. She asks about Wechat, I said I don't have that either. Finally she says then have the taxi driver call her.

[Marelobo Mex]

I have mongered in Mexico from 2004 – 2007, Brazil in 2009, and back to Mexico in 2011. Since then I changed jobs and didn't have to travel internationally anymore. However; in 2016 I changed jobs again and began traveling to China.

This is my fifth trip to China (although never mongered before in China) and my third visit to Shanghai. On my second trip, I got really lucky and scored a local Chinese girl, she was in her late 20's although she didn't look a day over 18. She was from Beijing and she liked to fuck. It was definetly a highlight that seems impossible to repeat.

I have yellow fever for those slim sexy Asian girls. They are just my body type with flat stomachs, small tits, and small asses. I am frequently experiencing major hard ONS when people watching in China.

On my subsequent China trips nothing worked out. Despite my desire, and an abundance of girls, I can speak maybe 25 Chinese words, so I can ask simple questions like where is the toilet. I don't understand any Chinese and even if people answer me, I don't know what they are saying. So I basically need a girl who can speak a little English, and wants to take the time to translate their way through an experience with me. I find most Chinese girls are not interested in me and even if some are, few have the patience to struggle through my language challenges.

Now I have had numerous hot and seemingly young horny Chinese girls approach me in various bars and nightclubs. But Marelobo is no fool, and can smell a scam from a mile away so I have stayed away from those seemingly too eager or too good to be true honies. Possibly I being am over cautious but I am aware of many stories of guys having problems with these girls and believe I am smart to save myself huge headaches and financial issues.

I have thought about escorts but she would need to come back to my hotel. That presents too many problems. First she could learn my identity through my room can cause trouble with my company. Second another person from my team could see her in the hotel with me and that could cause trouble. Who knows who else she could invite to my room. So my preference is to go where the girls are.

Since my last trip was 9 years ago I have discovered the SNG site. This seems like a great option. You can get with a pre-selected group of hot young willing girls who will not rip you off. Also I thought I would try the guided sauna option as this would prevent me from having to worry about finding the sauna or understanding what to do in the sauna.

[PrinceMV2]

Being Saturday started with my once favorite club M2. Good crowd there but the its the general club crowd which was good. The professional girls all were looking cheap stuff. Still lots of things kept me busy there for two hours. Than left and reached Manhattan again. Two gals caught my eyes but they were gone before I take any action. Than came again the Viet gal whose number I shared with many friends already. She met like a known friend and asked if am interested to take her. I offered 500 short time its already 3.30. I thought it was safe to take her instead if new one as the chemistry was better now. In short had a nice session again with really OK BBBJ. Will try the club Lola soon and write a FR for all you guys soon.

[Alex7J]

Thought of trying some other clubs. To begin reached at the famous club rouge at bund for their terrace opening party. Awesome expat crowd at entry. Told them the gurstlist password and entered without cover. Totally jam packed inside. Costly drinks at 80 rmb whiskey. Dint find the pickup kinda setting so left in an hour. Next one club see, s. Again very good crowd but mostly friends and girlfriends like gatherings. Over to famous basement club shelter. Some action found here. A little gal of around 18 almost ate my lip when I offered her a drink. LOL. Its almost 3. 30 now and raining heavily. Still managed to reach the final destination Manhattan but the pick able ones are all gone already and the leftovers not up to my liking. Back to my hotel. .Prince after bar rouge which are the other two clubs you went to unable to break your codes man, tell us clearly so we all can enjoy those places also.

Cheers.

[Alex7J]

I have mongered in Mexico from 2004 2007, Brazil in 2009, and back to Mexico in 2011. Since then I changed jobs and didn't have to travel internationally anymore. However; in 2016 I changed jobs again and began traveling to China.

This is my fifth trip to China (although never mongered before in China) and my third visit to Shanghai. On my second trip, I got really lucky and scored a local Chinese girl, she was in her late 20's although she didn't look a day over 18. She was from Beijing and she liked to fuck. It was definetly a highlight that seems impossible to repeat.

I have yellow fever for those slim sexy Asian girls. They are just my body type with flat stomachs, small tits, and small asses. I am frequently experiencing major hard ONS when people watching in China.

On my subsequent China trips nothing worked out. Despite my desire, and an abundance of girls, I can speak maybe 25 Chinese words, so I can ask simple questions like where is the toilet. I don't understand any Chinese and even if people answer me, I don't know what they are saying. So I basically need a girl who can speak a little English, and wants to take the time to translate their way through an experience with me. I find most Chinese girls are not interest...MM you should try the bodi boutique hotel it has the bodi spa, best quality girls with the hottest and craziest service with decent levels of English. Its one of the best and most discreet places with a fixed price of 680,880 or 980 only two set of girls and rooms but absolutely excellent and classy service. I've stayed in bodi hotel numerous times sexy rooms and even a sexier spa.

Secondly you should try the Manhattan bar I forgot the street, just read the forum a bit back and you will find it it is near Molly Mallones and Judy's and each and every taxi knows about it you will find excellent vets who speak good English and eager to please you, it will be easier and better for you. There are many short time hotels or apartment nearby walking distance and the girls know about it or even better the girl can take you back to her place easily.

Simple and easy for you.

Any how absolutely awesome frs, you wrote in 5 or 6 different FRs can be done in 1 FR or max 2 FR also but no issues.

Cheers: I miss shanghai so much.

Alex

[NorthSouth]

Welcome to Shanghai. Thank you for you DETAIL posts. To me, it may be too much information. I felt like I was reading My Life and Loves by Frank Harris, or an unedited letter to the Penthouse Forum. I had to skim through the long posts and might have missed some salient points. Name of the saunas, approximate location, price and a brief review of the place and girls might suffice. We may not need a play by play. I also agree with you visits to saunas may be your best option, when you do not want people from your team see you bringing the girls to your room.

I agree with you that Shanghai is close to the top for mongering, and Chinese women are very attractive and genteel. Even when they are in the profession, they do not have the hard edge you often find in working girls from some other places. And few of them are junkies. I bemoan the fact that I will be transferred out of the city in another 11 months.

[SamCan]

Hey MM, I enjoyed the story. I am not traveling to Shanghai anymore (or at least like I used to- I hope to get back once a year). So the detailed report was enjoyable and brought back some adventures.

North South, I understand your comments. However when you are on the outside looking in (as I am). It's a little more fun to read. Yes it was a blow by blow so to speak and I wouldn't want the forum full of these too many of these, . It was a perfect meal for what I needed.

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to getting back to Shanghai someday. Hopefully It's before the party is over.

SAM.

[NorthSouth]

I agree Bodi is a very good sauna with many hot women and decent prices. But I do not think the prices there are as low as you stated. When I was there, there is nothing less than 900 rmb. If you want a better room, it is 1200. The prices may be higher now, because many saunas have raised the price. Both price tiers are for 60 (or 70?) minutes, however multiple shots at the goal are allowed. But like I said, the service there may be more restrictive. The several girls I was with did not allow finger in the treasure box or fine dining. YMMV however, it might had been just me.

[PrinceMV2]

I wrote C's but in final print it changed. Don't know how. Second one was shelter. You should also try Lola if have time.

Cheers


Prince after bar rouge which are the other two clubs you went to unable to break your codes man, tell us clearly so we all can enjoy those places also.

Cheers.

[PrinceMV2]

Dear,


Nice job. But bro please try to keep the FR as short and straight as possible. You fucked a girl and made almost 15 FRs out of it. Haha. Keep the good work going.


Welcome to Shanghai. Thank you for you DETAIL posts. To me, it may be too much information. I felt like I was reading My Life and Loves by Frank Harris, or an unedited letter to the Penthouse Forum. I had to skim through the long posts and might have missed some salient points. Name of the saunas, approximate location, price and a brief review of the place and girls might suffice. We may not need a play by play. I also agree with you visits to saunas may be your best option, when you do not want people from your team see you bringing the girls to your room.

I agree with you that Shanghai is close to the top for mongering, and Chinese women are very attractive and genteel. Even when they are in the profession, they do not have the hard edge you often find in working girls from some other places. And few of them are junkies. I bemoan the fact that I will be transferred out of the city in another 11 months.

[Alex7J]

I agree Bodi is a very good sauna with many hot women and decent prices. But I do not think the prices there are as low as you stated. When I was there, there is nothing less than 900 rmb. If you want a better room, it is 1200. The prices may be higher now, because many saunas have raised the price. Both price tiers are for 60 (or 70?) minutes, however multiple shots at the goal are allowed. But like I said, the service there may be more restrictive. The several girls I was with did not allow finger in the treasure box or fine dining. YMMV however, it might had been just me.NorthSouth I am talking 5-7 years ago, bodi was a super fresh new hotel black building disgusting look from outside inside very chick very sexy the rooms very just awesome I have no words the lobby was super small and pathetic the breakfast I never tried and the spa I had no clue in the first 3 or 4 stays then my local chinese contacts took me there and from then I was hooked upon alost everyday after the exhibition which was very near to the bodi hotel I would come back change and be in spa by 6 or 7 pm the price I rememer was this only mate as they used to charge to my room maybe in these years and inflation it has changed.

And after the first I think 5 or 6 sittings there is this entrance from the hotel directly to the spa back and forth, I just went chose the women and she would accompany to my room and my room was a bliss I used to fuck women on the dining table in the rain shower in the bath tub everywhere and then order room service for them they were just so flattered by the thrid or the fourth visit I was like one of the most admired foreign customer in bodi and women used to say I am so good heart used to tip everyone and then treat the women nicely I cannot tell you what crazy times I've had and bodi lolls wish I had started to write then.

Women were just super hot in bodi fucking sexy and amazing body and sex was out of the world I so miss the hot cold BJ and then the chinese red rope ohhhhhhhhh and then inverted BJ man you refreshed my memories about bodi and I am hard all the more as I ve not had a lay since 7 days now. Gosh it was crazy.

Cheers man: Shanghai I am coming back soon.

Alex.

[Alex7J]

I wrote C's but in final print it changed. Don't know how. Second one was shelter. You should also try Lola if have time.

CheersPrince Buddy,

So kindly update the location and type of girls available in these places with the latest pricing structure you my man seem to be a precise information power house.

Bar Rouge.

See's.

Shelter.

Lola.

I had also gone to Hollywood, Mint or M2 then this club opposite mint forgot the name but it was also classy and sexy.

Cheers.

[Beijing4987]

The MP at 250 YuYuan Road is closed and will not re open, a worker there tells me. She can stay there only one more day, then has to move on. The 1808 Beijing Road location was closed a week earlier this month. It is also closed. Feels like a death in the family.

[AndyTime]

In Shanghai, I think the girl quality is in the following order: KTV sauna massage parlors, but the min room cost in KTV always stops me from going alone. So I'm wondering whether I can find buddies here to go KTV together, so that we can share the room cost, mummy's tips and some other expenses?

[The Guy]

In Shanghai, I think the girl quality is in the following order: KTV sauna massage parlors, but the min room cost in KTV always stops me from going alone. So I'm wondering whether I can find buddies here to go KTV together, so that we can share the room cost, mummy's tips and some other expenses?There's a group organized by Shanghai Nightlife Guide on wechat that sometimes goes together. Might be your best bet.

[NorthSouth]

It is a little confusing. I passed by earlier this evening a few foot massages places in S HóngméI Road that were closed with seal tags from the Minhang LE on their doors. The tags were gone and there were girls in there and Johns going in. I do not do foot massage places so I went to my favorite sauna located in a hotel in Zhūháng. The front door was still padlocked. I went around the back where the secret entrance was. The look out was nowhere to be found. I texted my contact and the message was not returned.

[Nobody Special]

Thinking this was my last pass through China I decided to pull out all the stops.

Went to Bodi on a Friday afternoon and had 30 to 40 girls to choose from.

Chose a tall blond from Harbin who actually spoke a little English.

Routine as described. She talked constantly, calling me husband unless she had my dick in here mouth.

She actually encouraged fingering her pussy as it made it extremely wet.

I thought it a little expensive but it was my bucket list so enjoyed every minute of it.

She said her boss had 8 such establishments in Shanghai but that Bodi was the nicest.

Definitely an experience to remember.

[Praj4]

A separate mention of this newly established sauna in suburbs of shanghai is warranted. The place is not at a walk able but taxi able distance from exit 4 of Qibao station (4 rmb from puxie) . Spa is located on 6th.

Floor of Shuyou commercial building. However rates are more or less similar to other spas like Red house or Dongguan etc. They arrange lineup of 25 girls in standard format of A,M,T Etc. As argued elsewhere the.

Distinction among st girls is a bit flimsy. At least I did not like a few of M or T type babes. I selected A72 in Dongguan and M rype (1480 l here. Some curves are mandatory for me, especially straight sticks in place of.

Thighs is avoidable. This babe Aamu was bit curvy with good ass! Staying power surely matters if you want to please the babe! But if you succeed in pleasing the collateral advantage is DFK! Also she allowed her ass pic!

A photo is no no in such spa's but here as they retain your shoes only while allow you to hang your clothes in the room itself; Obviously you carry your mobile with you. The babe tried to over please me by doing elaborate nuru.

Massage after marathon sex. Obviously Marathon means more efforts on man's part. However let me offer disclaimer that efforts on woman's part are no less considering the weight she has to carry on her chest in.

Missionary position! And if you are obese then she had it.

Another plus is minimal food buffet they had arranged which is conspicuous by its absence at other places unlike at FKKs. ! A good fruit dish and juice is what your body craves for after a sex exercise of 90 min.

[Pushkin13]

Coming to Shanghai (at least that is the current plan) next week.

Any one tried Rain in Shanghai, all one word, dot com?

Prices for outcall are between 1200 and 1500 RMB?

Any stories of tears or smiles, eagerly read.

TIA.

P13.

[Marty47]

Rain has been around for a long time. She used to be on her own, got a little older and has a "Stable" now. She is legitimate and the girls are real. Actually her price is a little less than Shanghai night life. She is a little harsh on the phone, doesn't like "time wasters", so tell her what service you want and she will recommend a gilt for you. Have fun.


Coming to Shanghai (at least that is the current plan) next week.

Any one tried Rain in Shanghai, all one word, dot com?

Prices for outcall are between 1200 and 1500 RMB?

Any stories of tears or smiles, eagerly read.

TIA.

P13.

[Marelobo Mex]

Secondly you should try the Manhattan bar I forgot the street, just read the forum a bit back and you will find it it is near Molly Mallones and Judy's and each and every taxi knows about it you will find excellent vets who speak good English and eager to please you, it will be easier and better for you. There are many short time hotels or apartment nearby walking distance and the girls know about it or even better the girl can take you back to her place easily.

AlexThanks Alex,

A couple more questions. I thought the places you listed don't have Chinese girls. I was really looking for a Chinese girl while in China.

Also what is the age range of the girls in those places. I looking for college girl age, like about 20.

I am not so interested in Late 20's or 30 year old ladies. I know asian girls frequently look younger. I just think if I am going to spend money than I want a hot young thin girl with firm small tits.

Please advise,

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

Hey MM, I enjoyed the story. I am not traveling to Shanghai anymore (or at least like I used to- I hope to get back once a year). So the detailed report was enjoyable and brought back some adventures.

North South, I understand your comments. However when you are on the outside looking in (as I am). It's a little more fun to read. Yes it was a blow by blow so to speak and I wouldn't want the forum full of these too many of these, . It was a perfect meal for what I needed.

Thanks guys, I am looking forward to getting back to Shanghai someday. Hopefully It's before the party is over.

SAM.Guys, sorry for the long FR, that is how I used to post them on the Nogales Mexico board, but that was a long time ago. I do the right up in my journal for my own personal memories and pleasure.

I posted it here to hopefully help some other guys, and I would have never had this much fun without this board.

I will conform to the preferred style of information that people want.

I understand from Alex7 J, NorthSouth and PrinceMV2, that the preference is for short report with pricing and location details.

SamCan is interested in longer reports.

This is a sample size of 4 I would like to get other mongers thoughts on what they want or don't want to read.

I will be going back to China in May, and will have report ready. I am happy to post the full version, abbreviated version or no version.

Please share your thinking.

MM.

[Marelobo Mex]

Thinking this was my last pass through China I decided to pull out all the stops.

Went to Bodi on a Friday afternoon and had 30 to 40 girls to choose from.

Chose a tall blond from Harbin who actually spoke a little English.

Routine as described. She talked constantly, calling me husband unless she had my dick in here mouth.

She actually encouraged fingering her pussy as it made it extremely wet.

I thought it a little expensive but it was my bucket list so enjoyed every minute of it.

She said her boss had 8 such establishments in Shanghai but that Bodi was the nicest.

Definitely an experience to remember.Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.

[SexInCity]

Guys, sorry for the long FR, that is how I used to post them on the Nogales Mexico board, but that was a long time ago. I do the right up in my journal for my own personal memories and pleasure.

I posted it here to hopefully help some other guys, and I would have never had this much fun without this board.

I will conform to the preferred style of information that people want.

I understand from Alex7 J, NorthSouth and PrinceMV2, that the preference is for short report with pricing and location details.

SamCan is interested in longer reports.

This is a sample size of 4 I would like to get other mongers thoughts on what they want or don't want to read.

I will be going back to China in May, and will have report ready. I am happy to post the full version, abbreviated version or no version.

Please share your thinking.

MM.Personally I prefer full version.

Thanks for yr good report.

[Marty47]

Started in Hong Kong with Ashley, on to Shenzhen with "mi amor', then to Ningbo (which has always been a dry town) finally found a cute little spinner, then on to SH, first night with Angela, then Anna below, then Mary and final with Monica. All in all a good mongering business trip. Anna is a great MILF with a great body and a very open attitude. Walk in and gave me DFK and then it started, no haggling, just a great time. My biggest problem is setting all this up in advance, I can't see all that are setup. Always have to save a few for the next trip.

[NorthSouth]

Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.When you get to the hotel at Longyang Road, the hotel entrance is to the right, and the sauna entrance is on the left end of the hotel, facing the driveway. There is no sign, but the doorway leads to the basement, where the sauna is. There is probably a lookout who will flag down taxi for you as you limp out afterwards.

[Alex7J]

Thanks Alex,

A couple more questions. I thought the places you listed don't have Chinese girls. I was really looking for a Chinese girl while in China.

Also what is the age range of the girls in those places. I looking for college girl age, like about 20.

I am not so interested in Late 20's or 30 year old ladies. I know asian girls frequently look younger. I just think if I am going to spend money than I want a hot young thin girl with firm small tits.

Please advise,

MM.MM,

For Chinese girls try bodi it has one of the most extensive range of Chinese girls, also try wechat it is very active in China, for nightclubs with uni-students try the nightclubs Mint or Muse or M2 then there is this place called xintiandi one of the most happening places in shanghai there in a building is a club called Hollywood.

But I think man Xintiandi you will find the hot 20 somethings Chinese girls. I think for your choice of girls Karaoke or KTV is the best option but for that you need a local Chinese contact because only a white skin in a KTV is disaster.

Cheers,

Alex

P.S: We love your reports and the bigger it is the better it will be. Trust me.

[Stegram]

Guys,

I was able to find the Bodi Boutique hotel on the map, but not the spa.

Maybe it has been covered before, but if you are at the hotel, can you describe how to find the entrance to the spa?

Thanks,

MM.To add a bit more. The sauna is in the same building as the hotel. The hotel entrance is the big door with the doorman on the right side, the sauna is the door abot 20 meters to the left with a small stairway up. Go in and there will be a receptioin desk on the right. They will know what you're there for.
Please report back. I'll be there next week. Thanks.

[NorthSouth]

I have not been there for a bit over 6 months, have they raised the price of entertainment?

[Simon Wagstaff]

I have not been there for a bit over 6 months, have they raised the price of entertainment?Yes, see my previous post. 900 RMB for standard. 1200 for VIP, they offered me an additional girl for only 200 rob more, not worth it. I am not sure about the VIP either. It wasn't different girls, seemed like the same room I had before.

[NorthSouth]

Thanks. If Bodi is holding the prices the same while a lot of the places with far less quality girls are raising theirs, it will be worth it to try my luck there again (the girls I had before were kind of restrictive in what they allowed: no fingering, no dining) I hope I can have what Nobody Special had experienced there.

[AnteRocks]

Hi Marty,

Could you PM me Ningbo contact. I'll be there couple of weeks and would like to find girls there.


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[Tazman099]

It is a little confusing. I passed by earlier this evening a few foot massages places in S HngmI Road that were closed with seal tags from the Minhang LE on their doors. The tags were gone and there were girls in there and Johns going in. I do not do foot massage places so I went to my favorite sauna located in a hotel in Zhūhng. The front door was still padlocked. I went around the back where the secret entrance was. The look out was nowhere to be found. I texted my contact and the message was not returned.Things are definitely opening back up in gubei / min hang. Even Hong song (aka pine club) is opening back up. Most of my old haunts are open now, and I'm back in the states for a couple weeks.

[Playboy2000]

I'm been exploring Shanghai's dancehall scene. The scene is not as big as Suzhou, but Shanghai currently has three decent size ones and several smaller ones. You pay 20 entrance and then 20 for each dance, which takes phase in the dark. Most girls will let you grope them anywhere in hope that you'll dance more rounds. Everyone inside is Chibese. If you're white or anything else you really stick out. Of course, no one speaks English.

If you're Asian and speK Mando, and are interested in joining me one night, then send me a PM. I don't want to go with a non-Asian because we'll stick out too much. I also don't want to post the addresses publicly. LE has bend shutting some of them down.

-Playboy.

[NorthSouth]

Went to Sacrosa at 6:30 PM this evening and there were already 6 or 7 men there getting naked or showering before rushing off to pick the girls. I had to do the naked walk from the change room to the shower, then to the drying area to be issued the pajamas. If you are into guys, you will be in your elements to have all the naked guys around, and then have a youngish man drying you off.

Then straight to the parade ground, no refreshment offered. There were about 12 women in the line up. Looks wise, they did not compare well to the hotties at Bodi. But #268 stood out and she was in her 20s, decent looking, tall and has a good body with very smooth skin. She was from Heilongjiang. Service was great: attentive and unhurried GFE. So nice that I felt asleep afterwards with her cuddled close.

I wanted to tip her but with the naked walk, you could not bring money in with you. I asked the attendant, the first thing I did coming back to the common area, if I could go back to the room to give her the tip. He was surprised and thought that was an unusual request. He asked the manager if I could do that and the manager said no, that tips were not required. I protested that I wanted to show that I appreciated the good time I had but he again declined. I was not happy because I really wanted to give a little extra to her.

Now the girls may not be as good looking as the dames at Bodi, but the two times I went there, I had a great time. Plus the session at Bodi is 60 minutes, with at least 20 minutes spent on being washed down, oiled up and getting a body to body rub. And then another 10-15 minutes of catnips and licking on the be side. Then the shower at the end of the session. Time for real action may be only 15 to 20 minutes. Showering before and after at Sacrosa is out of the room in the common area, and not part of the 60-70 minutes session. Play time was a lot more. And the price was 2/3 of Bodi's. I think Sacrosa is one of the best bargain play houses.

[Arizona123]

Things are definitely opening back up in gubei / min hang. Even Hong song (aka pine club) is opening back up. Most of my old haunts are open now, and I'm back in the states for a couple weeks.I can confirm this, Minhang has reopened with a vengence. Several old saunas are back in business and also new ones popping up. In fact there's a surge in supply that caused business in other districts to slow down. Most places have specials where 2-3 of the lower end girls go for less than 600 rmb.

[The Guy]

I'm been exploring Shanghai's dancehall scene. The scene is not as big as Suzhou, but Shanghai currently has three decent size ones and several smaller ones. You pay 20 entrance and then 20 for each dance, which takes phase in the dark. Most girls will let you grope them anywhere in hope that you'll dance more rounds. Everyone inside is Chibese. If you're white or anything else you really stick out. Of course, no one speaks English.

If you're Asian and speK Mando, and are interested in joining me one night, then send me a PM. I don't want to go with a non-Asian because we'll stick out too much. I also don't want to post the addresses publicly. LE has bend shutting some of them down.

-Playboy.Good work. Can you PM me addresses? I'll hit at least 1 and report back on this site.

[Mike921]

Went to Sacrosa at 6:30 PM this evening and there were already 6 or 7 men there getting naked or showering before rushing off to pick the girls. I had to do the naked walk from the change room to the shower, then to the drying area to be issued the pajamas. If you are into guys, you will be in your elements to have all the naked guys around, and then have a youngish man drying you off.

Then straight to the parade ground, no refreshment offered. There were about 12 women in the line up. Looks wise, they did not compare well to the hotties at Bodi. But #268 stood out and she was in her 20s, decent looking, tall and has a good body with very smooth skin. She was from Heilongjiang. Service was great: attentive and unhurried GFE. So nice that I felt asleep afterwards with her cuddled close.

I wanted to tip her but with the naked walk, you could not bring money in with you. I asked the attendant, the first thing I did coming back to the common area, if I could go back to the room to give her the tip. He was surprised and thought that was an unusual request. He asked the manager if I could do that and the manager said no, that tips were not required. I protested that I wanted to show that I appreciated the good time I had but he again declined. I was not happy because I really wanted to give a little extra to her.

Now the girls may not be as good looking as the dames at Bodi, but the two times I went there, I had a great time. Plus the session at Bodi is 60 minutes, with at least 20 minutes spent on being washed down, oiled up and getting a body to body rub. And then another 10-15 minutes of catnips and licking on the be side. Then the shower at the end of the session. Time for real action may be only 15 to 20 minutes. Showering before and after at Sacrosa is out of the room in the common area, and not part of the 60-70 minutes session. Play time was a lot more. And the price was 2/3 of Bodi's. I think Sacrosa is one of the best bargain play houses.I usually slip a couple bills in my phone case for that purpose. Sacrosa used to permit carrying a phone to the room, but I haven't been there in a long time, so maybe not now.

[Arizona123]

Good work. Can you PM me addresses? I'll hit at least 1 and report back on this site.Check out my post #100057. If you guys think LE's read these posts here to get locations of establishments and shut them down, you're a little naive.

[James Heart]

Just been to a new haunt in Shanghai recently. But only problem is must contact the manager directly if not they will not entertain outside customers.

It's called JinHao Sauna located at Hongxing Road No. 3065 near Caobao Road.

The Chinese address is:

金35946;20250;25152; 虹33688;36335;3065号38752;36817;28437;23453;36335;.

They have all sorts of selections all the way from:

Model A to Model F.

I think the range was from about 800 RMB to 2398 RMB. Something like that. Super nice environment, supposed to be new. Will post FR in later posts.

Here's her QR code in the attachment below.

[Beijing4987]

1808 Beijing Rd West is being gutted and remodeled. The owners two other locations are locked and on hold. The space iwas well suited for a massage parlor. Six years ago there was a blatant FS joint two doors away. Tarts in skimpy dresses and cleavage bursting out. The sign read "luxury hair wash" It was closed pretty fast. So the action moves to other parts of town. Sounds like capitalism, but there was not lack of demand for the supply in Jingan.

[SamCan]

1808 Beijing Rd West is being gutted and remodeled. The owners two other locations are locked and on hold. The space iwas well suited for a massage parlor. Six years ago there was a blatant FS joint two doors away. Tarts in skimpy dresses and cleavage bursting out. The sign read "luxury hair wash" It was closed pretty fast. So the action moves to other parts of town. Sounds like capitalism, but there was not lack of demand for the supply in Jingan.Have you heard what happened to the owner?

[Beijing4987]

They just fade away. He is biting his nails wondering if the law will favor him and his kickbacks. Sinofaguo can weigh in on this issue. My spy is being held hostage and will not answer this question.

[Full Throttle]

Thanks to those senior members who PM'd me with some suggestions! Unfortunately, I didn't get them in time, but I'll be back in October.

Quick report.

We arrived from the airport around 8 pm on a Tuesday night. We walked out back and overpaid for beers at Hooters because we were tired, stupid Americans. Upon returning to the hotel around midnight, a girl jumped into the elevator with us. Pretty good English and somewhat attractive. She wanted to come to our rooms. She was somewhat drunk and very clearly a scammer. What could possibly go wrong?

She came to my room first. She agreed to sequential events at 500 RMB each. She gave a pretty good massage but was obsessed with the notion that my colleague would blow her off. Finally, she called him to find that he had another girl in his room (he didn't let on to me that he prearranged a delivery prior to Hooters). Well, she became inconsolable. She finished the massage and upsold a BBBJ for 100 RMB. Then, it was time to go. How hard can that be?? Rhetorical question. REALLY HARD.

She started clamoring on about how she was promised the two of us and both of our payments. I gently tried to emphasize that matters of the heart were delicate and that hers was scorned by another. This ordeal went on for 30 minutes. When I got a bit more forceful, she threatened to tell the police that I f $%ed her and refused to pay. That's only the 4th time that's happened to me over 20+ years of hobbying on every habitable continent and countless islands, so I can't complain. In any case, I'd been up for 40 hours and knew I was going to sleep whether she was there gathering my personal effects or not. I finally coerced her to leave. I don't think I gave her any more money, but I remember being close to making that decision.

On day two, I did a lot of touring. I did observe a handful of shuttered massage places. In a society that prides itself on being above the influence of Western mores, traditions, and hangups, I wonder where all this enforcement is coming from?

Wednesday or Thursday evening (I really struggle with keeping track of days after crossing the dateline), we went bar hopping. We enjoyed the Captain Bar among other places. We ended up at Judy's. Similar lineup to the previous week and just as smoky. My colleague brought a very nice girl back for 500 RMB. The deal was for massage / BJ only-- no sex. According to him, she did a wonderful job with both, including a second event in the morning. He gave her an additional 100 RMB plus 100 RMB to reimburse her for paying off the crooked cab driver the night before. The guy did the typical thing where they cover the meter with a rag and pretend not to understand you when you say, "Meter?

By the way, I am waiting for my friend to share the escort website he used. I know they were advertising 480 RMB. When he called, they tried to increase it to 1500, but worked their way all the way back to 500 RMB. I will share when I get it.

I enjoyed the city during my 120 hours of rest and relaxation there. I now DESPISE scooters more than SNOW BOARDERS, and that is saying something! The crowds in the subway are tiresome. The food quality is a little uneven. But, aside from that, I found the people on the street pleasant and, while generally reserved, incredibly friendly when I had a reason to address them. I'm looking forward to coming back!

FT.

[Staid Lo]

Hi all.

Not looking for full on FS, wondering if bro here can recommend MP in pudong area that does, specializes in rimming (I'm the recipient of course, LOL). I remember my 1st time at Buddha with #twenty5 who gave me the deep cleaning and it was in heaven. Pm me and we can exchange other info.

Thanks again for the intel in adv.

SL.

[Jyoh11]

Hi friends,

I am looking for 2 3 times of outcalls because I don't have enough time to go to club or any other places.

Through the thread search, I found out SNG is the most suitable way for that purpose.

But it seems they don't have much girls to fuck and I am not sure it is safe or not.

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11

[Arizona123]

But it seems they don't have much girls to fuck and I am not sure it is safe or not.

Jyoh11Dude, 33 girls total isn't enough for you? Damn, how many of them are you planning on calling up? Can I have whatever you're taking? Safety also depends on where you're staying at. As for the website, yes go for it.

[Levitian]

Hi friends,

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11Prostitution is illegal in China. I think of all the options you have incall by an established provider like SNG is still one of your safest ones. Or you try to find a freebie here.

Lev.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I am in town for CES trade show just return from dinner at xitandi have a few drinks w coworker at paulaner place is pack many hot girls having a good time, I will check out bondi tomorrow not many sauna to pick from now days.

Fast Eddie 48.

[Yuri B]

I have not been in Shanghai for more than 2 years, looking at SNG it seems that Tang Dynasty and Red House are open. Anyone can confirm that?

Also, I could not find Red House address in Chinese -- I would appreciate anyone pointing out.

I will only have this weekend available, so if anyone has a company to go to KTV, I would really appreciate: I have been in China many times, but every time along -- not a good KTV opportunity.

__Y.

[Yuri B]

I have not been in Shanghai for more than 2 years, looking at SNG it seems that Tang Dynasty and Red House are open. Anyone can confirm that?

Also, I could not find Red House address in Chinese -- I would appreciate anyone pointing out.

I will only have this weekend available, so if anyone has a company to go to KTV, I would really appreciate: I have been in China many times, but every time along -- not a good KTV opportunity.

__Y.With SNG membership comes the addresses, got it and got it.

If anyone can recommend a good sauna with young providers, please reply or PM. Thanks.

__Y.

[SamCan]

Hi friends,
.

Do you think SNG is safe enough?

BR,

Jyoh11I have used the SNG site 5-6 times and gone to Judy's dozens. . as long as you are in a girl friendly hotel (mine is Hilton) you will have no problem.

[TomSf]

Thanks to those senior members who PM'd me with some suggestions! Unfortunately, I didn't get them in time, but I'll be back in October.

Quick report.

We arrived from the airport around 8 pm on a Tuesday night. We walked out back and overpaid for beers at Hooters because we were tired, stupid Americans. Upon returning to the hotel around midnight, a girl jumped into the elevator with us. Pretty good English and somewhat attractive. She wanted to come to our rooms. She was somewhat drunk and very clearly a scammer. What could possibly go wrong?

She came to my room first. She agreed to sequential events at 500 RMB each. She gave a pretty good massage but was obsessed with the notion that my colleague would blow her off. Finally, she called him to find that he had another girl in his room (he didn't let on to me that he prearranged a delivery prior to Hooters). Well, she became inconsolable. She finished the massage and upsold a BBBJ for 100 RMB. Then, it was time to go. How hard can that be? Rhetorical question. REALLY HARD.TGreat review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.

[HangSeng]

Happened across a strip of BBS in Fengzhuan.

From exit two off the metro and just around the corner.

Enticed in by the second one, tall girl about 20 years old. Spoke the bare minimum of 'massage' in English. Once inside she quickly started undressing me and gave the rod a kiss before wiping it down and putting on the cap.

She was fun. Rode me for about 20 minutes before I released. Got her wechat contact and left rather quickly.

[TomSf]

Great review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.I had some spelling errors in the above post and the forum will not let me fix it. I apologize. My point was in China it is safest to make sure the girl understands exactly how much she is getting. Sometimes they will play games.

[SamCan]

Happened across a strip of BBS in Fengzhuan.

From exit two off the metro and just around the corner.

Enticed in by the second one, tall girl about 20 years old. Spoke the bare minimum of 'massage' in English. Once inside she quickly started undressing me and gave the rod a kiss before wiping it down and putting on the cap.

She was fun. Rode me for about 20 minutes before I released. Got her wechat contact and left rather quickly.What were the damages?

[Money11]

All,

I have been going to Shanghai for over 12 years. I have developed a friendship with Helen of Helen and friends and started using SNG. I can say both are pretty good. My last visit resulted in 2 different experiences.

I met with Bao Bao from SNG. She was dynamite. She could suck a tennis ball through a tail pipe. She was fun, she has a non Chinese body, tits and a nice ass. Plus she was naked before the door closed behind her. I would highly recommend.

Helen sent over a little 90 lb spinner named ting ting. I was just hoping for a massage and a little release. Well on the flip she whispered in my ear if I want to have sex, we managed to have an amazing session. For all nervous to use either service I highly recommend. Stay safe.

[Sinofaguo]

I am in town for CES trade show just return from dinner at xitandi have a few drinks w coworker at paulaner place is pack many hot girls having a good time, I will check out bondi tomorrow not many sauna to pick from now days.

Fast Eddie 48.I prefer MPs but there are also loads of Saunas in Shanghai.

Try the chinese sites like http://hs.shanghai419.co/forum-9-1.html (QQs / Phones to the managers with discounts upon reservation).

[HangSeng]

What were the damages?Knew I forgot something. 200 rmb.

[HangSeng]

Okay. Just want to ask. Does anyone have a particular problem with me on the forum? Have I pissed a bunch of you off? If anyone has an issue with me, please feel free to let me know.

I really don't recall doing much to step on anyone's toes. Yet Beijing4987 won't stop pm'ing me to butch if I so much as breath around here.

[MiddleFingrDom]

Great review, as soon as you said your friend already had another girl coming to his room I knew a problem was coming. LOL. You have to understand the Chinese mind. Money is God. They take their money deadly serious. From what you said I imagine she got so angry you would have thought you kidnapped her mom. I been there before. LOL. So when I am in China I make sure thing are crystal clear how much I am tipping. If there is any sought in my mind. I will go over it with her 2 more times so I am clear she is clear. If she was in my hotel room and prostitution is illegal in China. I would have said F you call the police. I will them you want me to have sex with you for money. I refused to do anything illegal. If that does not work what you have to do I act crazy. When Chinese see a western act angry it freaks them out. If she still did not leave I would have walked over to the door and put the chain on the door and said now you can't leave. Just mess with her till she gets the hell out.In my humble opinion I believe that both you and full throttle made so many mistakes and offer such bad advice that neither of you would be safe in China.

If no money has changed hands and no sexual acts have occurred, call hotel security and let them sort it out. If police are called you will likely end up in detention and heavily fined, or be forced to pay an even larger bribe.

Most hotels are likely to have many illicit acts occurring in them every evening, and don't want police attention which will deter Chinese mongers from using their facilities. Many posters seem to forget that Chinese are great mongers and outnumber westerners by a factor of probably 1000 to one. And then add the Hkers, Taiwanese, Singaporeans and Malaysians who travel to China specifically for cheonging, and the number of westerners pales into insignificance.

In summary, read the advice of experienced mongers on these forums and don't follow the advice of newbies and pretenders.

And "You have to understand the Chinese mind"! Are you some sort of guru on the mentality of all Chinese? Where did you gain this knowledge? Did you live in China for 10 to 15 years and can understand the contextual nuances of the Putonghua and the many dialects? Somehow, I don't think so!

[Beijing4987]

Hang Seng. I so sorry about what I said via pm. Please accept my apology. If I had publicly done so I'd have much egg on my face.

Bj4987.

[SamCan]

Okay. Just want to ask. Does anyone have a particular problem with me on the forum? Have I pissed a bunch of you off? If anyone has an issue with me, please feel free to let me know.

I really don't recall doing much to step on anyone's toes. Yet Beijing4987 won't stop pm'ing me to butch if I so much as breath around here.If you are providing valuable reports, you are ok, by me. You last was fine except damages so keep them coming.

[CockZMan]

I am back and forth between Beijing and Shanghai. I really appreciate Kitty's in Beijing. She does her best to find the girl that I ask for, although usually in the girl next door category. Also reliable, on time, no BS.

Is there a similar outcall service in Shanghai? I see SNG listings, but the prices are really high. I also like someone like Kitty to do the work for me.

Suggestions?

[Sinofaguo]

Rumor says Changning / Gubei was on red alert for 3 days this week.

I didn't hit this part of SH this week so I cannot confirm 100% but as a result I was told an alert is issued for nearby Minhang MPs which are already under a "lights off" policy for the past 5 months.

The girls have been briefed on paying close attention the next few days to plain cloth chinese "customers" asking if other services are available.

Stay safe!

[SamCan]

To Sam.

Too damn many wallanby posting old info like this guy and Tom SF never even been to shanghai have too
Much time in their hand posting all this nonsence hoping no one will know.

Fast eddie.My last trip to Shanghai was November last year. I stayed at the Marriot Pudong east. About 3-4 streets north I found 3-4 BBS. It was a slow night and there were 10 girls sitting there.

The girls told me 300 RMB or something like that. I said no. One of the girls yelled 100 rmb. The rest squealed. I wasn't interested.

My point is, It happens.

SAM.

[SamCan]

To Sam.

You got quote 100 rmb but you didn't go for it why because you think might a scam so did it happen answer is no.

Fast eddie.No, I was window shopping. I don't do BBS's. Never have. Just not my thing.

Why was I there? It was my first time seeing one and my time visiting China (after 8 years of travel) was almost done.

I actually walked into a couple there and had the girl take me upstairs (out of curiosity). I looked around and then left obviously the girl gave me a puzzled look. I didn't go with the girl for 100. It was a couple other girls.

You're right it didn't happen but almost. So I guess you're saying. There can't possibly be any girl in any BBS anywhere in Shanghai that would ever take 200 RMB? I don't believe that either.

A couple years ago, I also had a less attractive older woman approach me as I left Judy's one night. She came right up to my face and say "F* me in the Ass or in the Pussy! 200 RMB! I didn't partake in that one either. I didn't think it was a scam either, , I just thought she was disgusting.

Just my POV.

[Burhanm0]

Who is familiar with Changshu city? In Jiangsu.

[Alex7J]

Guys,

Anybody has idea about a place like Manhattan or Judy's but with high end Chinese freelancers in shanghai.

Would want to try Chinese women this time and not Viets or Fillis or Indos. Hahahah.

Cheers,

Alex

[Levitian]

Guys,

Anybody has idea about a place like Manhattan or Judy's but with high end Chinese freelancers in shanghai.

Would want to try Chinese women this time and not Viets or Fillis or Indos. Hahahah.

Cheers,

AlexI would spontaneously suggest Bar Rouge, maybe also Paulaner's in Xintiandi.

Lev.

[Levitian]

I am back and forth between Beijing and Shanghai. I really appreciate Kitty's in Beijing. She does her best to find the girl that I ask for, although usually in the girl next door category. Also reliable, on time, no BS.

Is there a similar outcall service in Shanghai? I see SNG listings, but the prices are really high. I also like someone like Kitty to do the work for me.

Suggestions?I think you won't find the price level of Kitty's in Shanghai, anymore, not from the catering services.

Besides SNG and Helen and friends, there is Rain (www.raininshanghai.com). You better go to her wechat side, the selection is much bigger.

Have fun and play safe!

Lev.

[NorthSouth]

Regarding the recent flare ups, I have no dog in the fight, but I think the 200 rmb is not grossly inaccurate, especially for the locals. What you get is the most unerotic pumping for 10 minutes or so. I do not know if the place I had this "I want to forget" experience I had when you first arrived in Shanghai was strictly a BBS, It was a a parlor in the Chángdé Road, Chángshòyou Road area. Several women were sitting begind the picture window. I was acting totally like a dumb mark ripe for ripping off. I went in asking for the price and just a closer lool at the women. I was granned by the 40's MIDNWTF snf basically was dragged into a room. I was told to lower my pants to the knee, and she removed her panties, but not her dress, after a 40 seconds BJ, and rode me for 5 minutes with fake moaning. It was maybe a 10 minutes session, and 9 and a half minutes too long. I was charged 300 rmbs. A knowledgeable local would not even pay 200 for that.

But then it brings me to what I did earlier this evening. I tried out this place I found in a Chinese web site. I wanted some low brow adventure. The place is near Xīnhuá Hospital. It advertised that there was a special of 320 rmb for a 60 minutes dry grind (down from the regular price of 360). I did not expect much, thinking it would br a hole, with women like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnell. I was surprised to find the place modest but clean enough. More importantly, I had have a decent looking (6. 5) young woman who gave me great service and real GFE. Mow the place is not close to a high end sauna, but it was great cheap thrill.

At this point I am not yet ready to recommend the place to anyone. I will try the place once or twice more to confirm the place is worth patronizing. If I did, I'll post again and will share the information in PM with contributing members.

[Arizona123]

But then it brings me to what I did earlier this evening. I tried out this place I found in a Chinese web site. I wanted some low brow adventure. The place is near Xīnhu Hospital. It advertised that there was a special of 320 rmb for a 60 minutes dry grind (down from the regular price of 360). I did not expect much, thinking it would br a hole, with women like Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O'Donnell. I was surprised to find the place modest but clean enough. More importantly, I had have a decent looking (6. 5) young woman who gave me great service and real GFE. Mow the place is not close to a high end sauna, but it was great cheap thrill.

I think you might have ended up in something the locals call GanMo (dry grind). For the sake of this discussion, let's call it MP+.

MP. Girls keep clothes on. She gives you a full body massage usually with oil. While giving you a massage, you can touch and fondle her while she teases and arouses you. On the flip, you negotiate with her for extra services. Typically from 100 for a HJ to 800 for FS and everything in between. This is on top of the house money that you pay by the hour. During the deed, her clothes will remain on, her panties and bra might come off, but everything goes back on the moment you're done. It remains on for the remainder of your session. Examples are Sping Massage, or the old hot spots like Buddha place, Ming, Shanxi Lu, Yuyuan Lu, Beijing Lu, that have been reviewed in this forum.

MP+ (GanMo). Think of this as sauna without the soapy and without FS. The girls get completely naked within minutes into the session. There is minimal massage here. She'll do cat bath, grinding with boobs, grinding with butt, grinding with pussy, rimming, and BBBJ as main event. Average price is around 300, most places have discounts down to mid or high 200's. Tips are not required. These places advertise in QQ mostly. Example would be Changshou Lu Lizhuang Spa.

Here's the breakdown. MP = 200 (house money) + whatever tip you negotiated; MP+ = 300. So unless you're really going for the shitty massage, well. Do the math.

[Stegram]

My regular favorite Shanghai girl seems to have gone MIA, so with limited time I once again made the trek to Bodi. It was a Weds around 5 PM. Good selection as the last few visits. On the end there was a tallish girl who was so smiley that she was almost giggling. A very good sign.

So even though she wasn't the hottest girl there (but still sufficiently hot) I chose her. She was affectionate from the jump and we had no problem communicating. So after the obligatory slip and slide we made our way to the bed, and to my surprise, she gobbled up Steg Jr. Like a pro!

After 5 or so minutes of great BJ performance, she goes to catbath and more general playful activities. She then goes back to the BJ! It was just like my experiences here in the USA where the girl convinces that she is into it and having a good time.

With 20 minutes to go, she says, "will you please F me now? I was happy to oblige and just like the BJ, she was enthusiastic and engaged. Best service EVER from a Sauna girl.

Her name was Gu Li and she was number 592 or 594. An awesome girl who gets an A+ for service!

[Alex7J]

I would spontaneously suggest Bar Rouge, maybe also Paulaner's in Xintiandi.

Lev.Hey Lev,

I used to be a every night regular in bar rouge before landing in Judy's or manhatten at about 1-3 am and I never found Chinese flrs there, they only had a couple of Russian or CIS ladies or maybe the odd the Colombians I saw there once or twice.

But you have the lates ground info I can be 100% wrong also but it needs to be checked again and I will do the needful soon.

What about Paulaner's is it a club or bar or lounge kinda place do let us know and the best times to visit there and what kind of women to expect there the hardcore WG's or uni students.

You seem to have update info also let us know where we can find high class shanghai people going for a drink in evening you can always find some non-pro action there also.

Cheers and thanks man.

Keep the good work flowing: Sharing is caring.

Alex

[Alex7J]

My regular favorite Shanghai girl seems to have gone MIA, so with limited time I once again made the trek to Bodi. It was a Weds around 5 PM. Good selection as the last few visits. On the end there was a tallish girl who was so smiley that she was almost giggling. A very good sign.

So even though she wasn't the hottest girl there (but still sufficiently hot) I chose her. She was affectionate from the jump and we had no problem communicating. So after the obligatory slip and slide we made our way to the bed, and to my surprise, she gobbled up Steg Jr. Like a pro!

After 5 or so minutes of great BJ performance, she goes to catbath and more general playful activities. She then goes back to the BJ! It was just like my experiences here in the USA where the girl convinces that she is into it and having a good time.

With 20 minutes to go, she says, "will you please F me now? I was happy to oblige and just like the BJ, she was enthusiastic and engaged. Best service EVER from a Sauna girl.

Her name was Gu Li and she was number 592 or 594. An awesome girl who gets an A+ for service!What are the latest prices in bodi my dear friend?

[Levitian]

Hey Lev,

You seem to have update info also let us know where we can find high class shanghai people going for a drink in evening you can always find some non-pro action there also.

Cheers and thanks man.

Keep the good work flowing: Sharing is caring.

AlexNo, probably not. I am not going out that frequently any longer. I thought Bar Rouge would be a good place, it certainly was in the past. Paulaner's is a German restaurant, which turns into a dance place after 10 pm, with live music and a lot of Chinese sing song girls. Another place is probably Zapata's, on Hengshan Road / Dongping Road.

Anyway, good luck! If not, try SNG, rain in shanghai or Helen and friends, the caterers. I think you can find the weblinks here.

Lev.

[Alex7J]

No, probably not. I am not going out that frequently any longer. I thought Bar Rouge would be a good place, it certainly was in the past. Paulaner's is a German restaurant, which turns into a dance place after 10 pm, with live music and a lot of Chinese sing song girls. Another place is probably Zapata's, on Hengshan Road / Dongping Road.

Anyway, good luck! If not, try SNG, rain in shanghai or Helen and friends, the caterers. I think you can find the weblinks here.

Lev.Lev mate,

I am not the home delivery person or incall or escort kinda guy doesn't get me hard and horny. I like go drink relax enjoy pick and choose but surely this time I will try sing or rain or Helen if the women are hot and ready for an overnighter may be the lady in tow can take me to a good Chinese nightclub where we can find hot women have done this a lot in BKK and SG and HKK and doing now in Dubai.

Cheers,

Alex

[TomSf]

No. Maybe you're the one who hasn't been there because that's exactly what happened when I went, and I'm the farthest thing from chinese possible.

I don't get what is your problem. You people ***** about everything and claim it's made up. I provided an accurate account of my experience, if you don't like it, then well that's on you. And like I said, I got her wechat info, so it worked out dandy for me.

I barely post on here as it is. So don't add me to whatever forum drama you guys have to constantly bicker about. Also there is another bbs straight down the street across from a tool shop and next to a fruit stand. Also 200 rmb. I didn't write about that one because I really wouldn't recommend going to it.

Another thing, I was already avoiding posting here since I was getting attacked via pm FOR NO REAL FUCKING REASON. The one time I do decide to contribute, I have attacking me for what exactly? You old condescending twat. I don't go around saying I'm some kind of expert or know every part of this city I've barely been in. Get over yourself.Handseng,

Please keep posting your experiences. And don't listen to anyone who is just crazy.

[NorthSouth]

It wouldn't be worth posting if the 320 rmb got what you laid out for MP+. The place calls itself a spa. But during the special, I got 50 minutes (10 minutes for shower before and after) of good GFE good time, including FS, BBBJ, fingering, dining and sungling with a decent looking younger girl witha nice body. I was amazed at the great value. The special price is good till end of May. I plan at least 2 more trips. If my second experience is as good as my first, I'll provide the details of the place and contact information to contributing friendlies in PM.

[Levitian]

Lev mate,

I am not the home delivery person or incall or escort kinda guy doesn't get me hard and horny. I like go drink relax enjoy pick and choose but surely this time I will try sing or rain or Helen if the women are hot and ready for an overnighter may be the lady in tow can take me to a good Chinese nightclub where we can find hot women have done this a lot in BKK and SG and HKK and doing now in Dubai.

Cheers,

AlexDo that and let us know where it was leading you to. If not, try the other nightclubs, M11, the Apartment, etc.

Good luck and fun!

Lev.

[Stegram]

What are the latest prices in bodi my dear friend?It's not getting cheaper. 980 for the session.

I don't think it was only an hour as some have suggested. I'm pretty sure it was at least 75 minutes.

[SeafoodSalad]

Anyone know if Lidu Spa in Wugong Hotel (Fuzhou Rd) is still active or any good? I'm staying there for a while and went to this site (http://shanghai.*****************/massage-yellow-pages/massage-places/wugong-hotel-sauna-club-lidu-spa-1287.html) to check out the reviews, but the last review was from 2013. Decided to WeChat the manager on there to see if still worked, and he added me shortly after, surprisingly. Told me rates were 800-1200 rmb /80 min FS depending on the girl I choose.

Anyone care to share any experiences, or will I get screwed over instead of getting screwed?

Thanks

[Natiya88]

It wouldn't be worth posting if the 320 rmb got what you laid out for MP+. The place calls itself a spa. But during the special, I got 50 minutes (10 minutes for shower before and after) of good GFE good time, including FS, BBBJ, fingering, dining and sungling with a decent looking younger girl witha nice body. I was amazed at the great value. The special price is good till end of May. I plan at least 2 more trips. If my second experience is as good as my first, I'll provide the details of the place and contact information to contributing friendlies in PM.Could you please let me know the detail address.

I wish to go there this coming week end.

Thanks

[Midwestern]

Did you guys hear about that guy who got beat up by LE after leaving a massage parlor in BJ? Apparently it was a sting, and because the guy didn't confess he got beat so badly that he eventually died. Can something like that happen in Shanghai? I know anything is possible, but looking for any useful suggestions to make sure that doesn't happen to me. Thanks, fellas.

[Beijing4987]

Did you guys hear about that guy who got beat up by LE after leaving a massage parlor in BJ? Apparently it was a sting, and because the guy didn't confess he got beat so badly that he eventually died. Can something like that happen in Shanghai? I know anything is possible, but looking for any useful suggestions to make sure that doesn't happen to me. Thanks, fellas.MW, you are more likely to die or be injured crossing the street or on the sidewalks of Shanghai. The traffic police are hassling the electric scooter drivers and pedestrians, but not the car drivers turning from the right and left at intersections with no intentions of stopping to yield your right of way. They only stop for a steel or concrete barrier. I was told by an experienced member Not go a sauna or MP in the afternoon, say 3:00 pm. The LE are after the bosses to make a point, not the patrons. LE is less likely to raid if the place Is full. Too much manpower is needed.

[Sinofaguo]

MW, you are more likely to die or be injured crossing the street or on the sidewalks of Shanghai. The traffic police are hassling the electric scooter drivers and pedestrians, but not the car drivers turning from the right and left at intersections with no intentions of stopping to yield your right of way. They only stop for a steel or concrete barrier. I was told by an experienced member Not go a sauna or MP in the afternoon, say 3:00 pm. The LE are after the bosses to make a point, not the patrons. LE is less likely to raid if the place Is full. Too much manpower is needed.Most raids happend between 6 pm and 10:30 pm as this is when there are more customers. Afternoon is rather ok. Safest is 11 am to 2 pm.

That being said shit can still happend since I know of 2 MPs (1 in Jing'an and 1 in Gubei) which both got shut down for some time after an early afternoon visit.

In both cases it wasn't even a raid but a customer at the exit whom was asked what kind of service he received and him thinking it was best to confess (big mistake).

[NorthSouth]

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2016-05/12/content_25228397.htm#158963.

Apparently it happened on 5/7. The john who died was arrested on the street after he had visited the foot massage place. Supposedly, he resisted arrest. Details are sketchy, as expected, about the incident, but it is worth re-reading Shanghai Guide's earlier post as to how to act if you are napped. First rule, you are in a hole, don't dig deeper.

[BlahMan333]

Hey folks,

Back in shanghai, one of my favorite cities and a place I have been to many times over the years. Seems like I'm getting conflicting thoughts on the current situation in Shanghai. A lot of my favorite places have closed down (Jiang Li, Pine Club, Kang Ding) which to me suggests that it's really windy and risky nowadays. But I read reports that some of these may be re-opening soon. Do you guys know if any of the old awesome places like Jiang Li, Pine Club in Minhang and Kang Ding will make a comeback soon? Or are they gone forever?

Miss those places so so much.

[Shanghai Guide]

Hey folks,

Back in shanghai, one of my favorite cities and a place I have been to many times over the years. Seems like I'm getting conflicting thoughts on the current situation in Shanghai. A lot of my favorite places have closed down (Jiang Li, Pine Club, Kang Ding) which to me suggests that it's really windy and risky nowadays. But I read reports that some of these may be re-opening soon. Do you guys know if any of the old awesome places like Jiang Li, Pine Club in Minhang and Kang Ding will make a comeback soon? Or are they gone forever?

Miss those places so so much.Jiang Li is scheduled to reopen very soon, we expect to get a confirmation very soon for that.

Pine Club there is no "plan" to reopen and no forecast if there is a chance or not for them.

Kang Ding is still "on hold" like all the saunas in Jing An District and there is a 50/50 chance that they can reopen soon.

Enjoy your time in Shanghai.

[Tazman099]

Jiang Li is scheduled to reopen very soon, we expect to get a confirmation very soon for that.

Pine Club there is no "plan" to reopen and no forecast if there is a chance or not for them.

Kang Ding is still "on hold" like all the saunas in Jing An District and there is a 50/50 chance that they can reopen soon.

Enjoy your time in Shanghai.Assuming pine club is the place next to the hongqiao Hilton, it is now open. My contact is updating daily on wechat. Some other hi end places in minhang are also reopened, 45 mansion and the place just down the street in the local hotel.

[Tazman099]

I've been debating with myself whether or not to post this, but decided I should based on some of the recent discussions. Before I start, I want to clarify my position: I believe every Shanghai mongerer benefits from the service Steven and his site provides!

However, some issues have come to my attention recently, and it may be that I was just naive, but I thought it worthy of mentioning. First, all the pictures are not in fact real. You have to read through the comments to verify this if you want to. What I've learned is that if an individual page does not say "verified" pictures, they are probably not actually her. Now, from reading comments, it seems that sng does verify that they are reflective of the person (hight, shape, etc) - but not the person. I would also add that there is question as to how often they are verified. For sure I think it's unrealistic to expect monthly checks, but in one case I experienced, she looked so different from her pictures that I almost had to hold the picture next to her to see it was in fact the same girl (no need to go into additional details as she has been removed).

The other detail recently identified is that no negative reviews are permitted at all. I kinda realized this sometime time ago, but it became clearer recently. Negative comments must go through the complaint form.

Steven, as discussed, I am absolutely not trying to start a war. I truly believe Shanghai is a better place for us hobbiests with your involvement. And I may simply be the one that has been very naive. So, please don't take offense to this post, nor any of the likely stupid comments from some of the Trolls that wander this forum.

Taz.

[BlahMan333]

Steven does a good job. I personally understand why no negative reviews are allowed by Steven. Too many douses who don't understand the customs or how things work will get upset and write a bad review about being treated poorly. But in reality it was their fault, not the provider. So I get it. Not sure what a good solution would be, as sometimes negative reviews could be useful, but I don't know how to avoid the problem I described (ignorant people).

Wow, Pine Club is open again? Is it back to its former glory? I remember it used to be one of the most amazing places, but just super far away. Wondering what you guys think are the best options nowadays.


Assuming pine club is the place next to the hongqiao Hilton, it is now open. My contact is updating daily on wechat. Some other hi end places in minhang are also reopened, 45 mansion and the place just down the street in the local hotel.

[The Guy]

I also agree the sng is an awesome site (I'm a member). However, I agree with your criticisms of Steven's otherwise stellar contribution to Shanghai mongering. Many years ago, when Amazon briefly considered deleting negative reviews if product manufacturers paid a fee, there was an outcry. I don't take reviews seriously if only the positive ones are published.

[HardInThePants]

I can only talk about what I experienced with SNG. Had two bookings with them couple of weeks ago. First was a 2 HR outcall with one of the independent WGs from the site. This was in detail as described on the page, from the ease of booking via WeChat to the accuracy of the girls pictures and the behavior noted in the comments from fellow Mongolians.

Secondly I booked a day time tour that was just great, as above, great contact in the booking phase, perfect company through out the tour. In my mind Steven holds up to his promises and reputation.