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I checked out the 76 Changshou Rd location today, and was indeed fairly impressed with the talent. Not that there were any real stunners. But hey, it's 268 RMB, you get what you paid for! They were mostly in their 30's but looked fit and decent.
However, the girl I had (#11) said that FS was NOT on the menu, and finally only agreed to FS if I gave her a tip. She originally wanted a 500 tip, but I talked her down to 200. Did I get scammed? I thought the 268 RMB door fee was all-inclusive, including FS?I don't know of any MP in this city where you can get everything for less than 300 RMB, so no, you were not scammed.
I don't know of any MP in this city where you can get everything for less than 300 RMB, so no, you were not scammed.Ok. Just checking! Based on previous recent message threads, I had assumed these places were FS for 300 RMB (which yes, is indeed too good to be true). But like SamCam said, a 200 RMB tip is no big deal. I just didn't want to have fallen for some sort of scam.
Arizona123 - no, #11 does not have a lazy eye. She was very good and I recommend her. She's not really a looker, but she's younger than the other providers (mid-20's). Slightly on the chubby side but not fat. Had a nice personality and I would repeat.
Hey all,
This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.
I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.
In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.
I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.
Thanks so much for any rec's.
Lonny.
Hey all,
This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.
I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.
In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.
I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.
Thanks so much for any rec's.
Lonny.Visit the Bund for some photos and nice restaurants or check out Xintiandi for a more casual dinner / drinks. Then go to both Manhattan and Judy's, and decide which one better suits your vibe.
Arizona123
08-04-17, 19:05
Hey all,
This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.
I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.
In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.
I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.
Thanks so much for any rec's.
Lonny.For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.
For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.
For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.
For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.
Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.
For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.
For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.
For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.
For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.
Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.Thanks Arizona, great tips.
Visit the Bund for some photos and nice restaurants or check out Xintiandi for a more casual dinner / drinks. Then go to both Manhattan and Judy's, and decide which one better suits your vibe.Thanks Rock.
For the less adventurous type, check out Shanghai Nightlife Guide website or commonly referred to SNG here. Checkout the pictures and reviews, then pick up the phone and make the call, you know the drill. From 1200+ and up.
For the adventurous type and like the chase, go to either Manhattan or Judy. Reviews are all over this board. Be prepared to spend anywhere from 1000 to 3000 depending on your bargaining skills.
For the really adventurous type, hit the saunas. You'll need to know a pimp or download an app like Wechat or QQ. Unless you're really into trying that nuru or soapy massage, I'd skip this. Too much of a hassle just for one night of play. Cost 800 to 2000+.
For the really adventurous type but tight on budget, hit the MP's. Read down a couple pages here and you'll see my post for a few of them. Cost 300+.
Whatever you chose to do absolutely do NOT go with a tout, male or female, that approaches you.All excellent recommendations. Me, I like saunas because I want a sweet young thing with no kids. Other options will generally be 25 and up. Best saunas will only allow 25 upwards if they are super hot. But saunas have no takeout.
JohnnyAchan
08-05-17, 09:02
Arizona123 and RobSH : thanks for the additional info!Quick question: What does GM stand for? Thanks in advance!
Member #4689
08-07-17, 16:57
Quick question: What does GM stand for? Thanks in advance!GM = Gan Mo = dry grind. Should be FS without soapy. Question: didn't we have a list of Chinese acronyms somewhere, since the one on SNG is not complete.
Beijing4987
08-08-17, 17:20
Shaanxi Road QQ is posting photo of their technicians. #69 is cute and stacked. Anybody willing to toft?
Beijing4987
08-09-17, 18:13
Changshou Road spa is closed for the time being.
Changshou Road spa is closed for the time being.Really? I was just there on Tuesday, two days ago. Any reason why they closed?
Hey guys, I've been away a while, how's SH going??
Is Buddha MP still a good option?
BTW, does someone remembers a young girl with perfect tits and nice body that once worked there? It was definitely the hottest girl I found while mongering.
Hey all,
This will be my first time trying to monger in Shanghai.
I am a regular in Sao Paulo, but got a work trip to China.
In Brasil I usually go to clinicas, message parlors where you get full service, or I use an internet site and select freelance girls and go to their flat.
I will only be free one night, so looming for advice on what would be my best option to monger, and how much I should budget.
Thanks so much for any rec's.
Lonny.Most similar to CLínicas would be a sauna. Girls line up and then you head to the room. But it's definitely a pricey option.
I would rather try the MPs, I wouldn't call it adventurous. It's quite a comfortable experience even for the most shy. And it's a experience you can't quite find in Brazil, nice massage with he.
DoItUnderwater
08-12-17, 12:13
Hey guys, I've been away a while, how's SH going??
Is Buddha MP still a good option?
BTW, does someone remembers a young girl with perfect tits and nice body that once worked there? It was definitely the hottest girl I found while mongering.Mgp,
Last time I was near the Buddha place it was closed. The nearest place was around the corner on Shaanxi Bei Lu. More and more, places are being closed or driven out of sight.
I hope you can find some fun. I have been here for about 2 weeks but super busy with work. I hope to head out tomorrow. I hate the heat soit is not comfortable to do much exploring at present.
Have fun. Stay safe.
DoIt.
Member #4689
08-12-17, 19:19
Had a quick look at a local forum and came across a raid in Xuhui:
http://www.aishs.top/thread-439989-1-1.html
Anyone with Chinese skills who can summarize for us (google translate is insufficient). Please clarify who took these photos, esp the one inside the LE station.
Be careful gents, I am talking out of experience!!
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Comrade 2255
08-13-17, 01:13
Had a quick look at a local forum and came across a raid in Xuhui:
http://www.aishs.top/thread-439989-1-1.html.Operating a full-service sauna in a landmark like the Shanghai Stadium seems risky, even without all of the major crackdowns going on over the last couple years.
Operating a full-service sauna in a landmark like the Shanghai Stadium seems risky, even without all of the major crackdowns going on over the last couple years.I remember some people saying that this place was mega connected and had one of the best roster in Shanghai (with prices to show for it).
Either way from what I heard both Changning and Xuhui are under big pressure lately (but the rest of SH also gets raided even in remote places like Yangpu district which got a sauna raided / closed a few weeks back).
There was a local gov official change in Xuhui which seems to have accelerated the raids.
It seems 2 saunas were simultaneously raided that night and they seized several million RMB in cash with 100+ customers getting arrested.
The police seemed to have studdied the place quite well (maze, several fake wall / doors with key cards, .).
For some time there has been rumors that what happened to Minhang would happend in other districts little by little. It may be the start of it.
Stay safe!
Pics from the raid:
http://slide.news.sina.com.cn/s/slide_1_2841_196977.html#p=1
http://sh.eastday.com/m/20170811/u1ai10780103.html
And video news here:
https://zx.sina.cn/n/2017-08-12/zx-ifyixias0061321.d.html?wm=3049_0015
BTW if you wan't some good reading:
An old article about Minhang: http://shanghai.xinmin.cn/msrx/2017/02/26/30865809.html about how they handled Minhang district. How some saunas had photos of police men, police car licence plates, and such...
And most of all a recent article of an investigation that was led to understand the way Saunas advertised on Baidu Map along with all the techniques for cover and such: https://www.xcnnews.com/rd/196987.html.
If you don't read chinese you can google translate to english to get the essence of it. Its prolly one of the most detailed public report given by a reporter and the police.
With that kind of info being public since the 8th or 9th of August, you may understand the raids for the past few days.
The context is similar to Donguan raids which started with similar reporting (on TV back then). Don't forget either that the people who got punished in Donguan raids were friends of Zhou Yang Kang (n2 of Jiang Zeming, part of the Shanghai Clique)... and enemy of the current Chinese president. Don't forget finally that members of the polit bureau are to be nominated in the next few months and that cutting the money from opponents in the party is key for a successful bureau which will allow the president to renew is mandate for many years without oppositions. Well it made sense Shanghai itself would get hit at some point, especially since the way the industry has developped here since the DG closure.
In short. Stay home and be safe. Local politics are too hot lately to risk yourself being colateral damage.
Member #4689
08-13-17, 17:05
Seeing these pics brings back many (bad) memories.
A few observations from my own bad weather experience:
- they brought heavy guns out this time (SWAT team);.
- their practice is to humiliate and dehumanize you: letting you sit in unnatural and uncomfortable positions, shouting at you, slapping / hitting and kicking (yes! You will be hooded like the Gitmo terrorists in order to disorient you and very heavy handcuffs are used (not seen in the photos).
- this all leads you to loose complete sense of control over your situation;.
- they will use social shaming (calling family and work) in order to get info from you.
- A lot of these LE weathermen are very young and with little life experience but they now control your fate and often abuse that (have witnessed this first hand).
So, yes gents be very conscious of the situation here, this is not going to a sauna club in Germany!
We always say 'play safe' but this is almost impossible since the only safe option is a) no play or b) freelanchers. All commercial venues, from high level sauna to low level BBS, are potential targets. But at least in a SPA you can claim to have only a regular massage.
With the upcoming leadership change later this year we are looking at a few months of elevated storm warnings and dry spell (this is no contradiction unfortunately).
Still, stay safe.
The past couple of days was a huge operation. All places, big or small, pay for a stormwatch. Many of the places who usually gets a warning beforehand didn't even get a whiff of what was to come. Hence, that one place which was ransacked for 500 M yuan. Even reporters were in the know before the places were.
It seems Judy's has been affected as well. Passed by just now and there's a police tape and lock on the door. Not sure of Manhattan though.
There are still some MP' s still open but I'd strongly advise against it. It seems they are hitting saunas first and then onto MP's, seeing that a few of them got struck yesterday and saunas the days before. Go out into the lightning storm at your own risk.
K.
Correction: it was 5 million yuan, not 500 m.
Hello Guyz,
I would be in Shanghai next month for a week & will be staying in Mandarin Oriental Pudong, Shanghai.
Can you share couple of of good service provider / independent escort?
Or a a good Sauna / Massage center with extra services will be fine too. Preferable within walking distance from the hotel.
Will highly appreciate your help.
Regards.
Troy.
Midwestern
08-15-17, 15:00
SPA's that are strictly he places? Or can they be raided too?
Outcall from escort agencies? Or are hotels on high lookout?
Incall from escort agencies? Or is wechat being monitored, and are there sting operations?
I notice a lot of places are closed in Gubei. If a he or BJ place is still open, then does that mean they are immune to a raid?
SPA's that are strictly he places? Or can they be raided too?
Outcall from escort agencies? Or are hotels on high lookout?
Incall from escort agencies? Or is wechat being monitored, and are there sting operations?
I notice a lot of places are closed in Gubei. If a he or BJ place is still open, then does that mean they are immune to a raid?No place is immune to raids of the current kind because they have been organized to ruin the usual safety net.
HJ SPA are not immune either they are just harder to be caught during the act, but since very few HJ joints are HJ only these days, it still can happend. And that's why many will chose to close until wether is less harsh.
Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.
Safest option would be calling SPA/Sauna girls directly on their phone/wechat because they as individual are less likely to be a target...
Midwestern
08-16-17, 03:31
This is very helpful. Thanks, Sinofaguo!
No place is immune to raids of the current kind because they have been organized to ruin the usual safety net.
HJ SPA are not immune either they are just harder to be caught during the act, but since very few HJ joints are HJ only these days, it still can happend. And that's why many will chose to close until wether is less harsh.
Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.
Safest option would be calling SPA/Sauna girls directly on their phone/wechat because they as individual are less likely to be a target...
Hi all,
Anyone know if Manhattan is still open or raided?
Thanks is advance.
Red.
Member #4689
08-16-17, 16:49
Walked through a side street of Damuqiao Lu (not sure if this is part of Xuhui district, but at least close by) and all four shops were closed and boarded off by large pieces of plywood, basically covering the whole store windows and even walls. No trace of there being P4P places. If fact it looked like they were preparing for an incoming typhoon....aka storm.
Gents, we are facing tough and dangerous times and no one knows for how long. I remember a few years back due to some large international forum being held in Shanghai a similar situation but that only started close to the event itself and ended soon thereafter. Now we are facing the upcoming all important senior leadership change (expected to take place later this year since in good local tradition no exact dates are issued in advance, we will probably only know it close to it happening). Anyway if this is the case (we are still in August) we can expect 2-3 months of elevated risk and reduced options. Added to this overall situation there are the district leadership changes taking place and their usual 'setting the rules of the game' exercises.
The other side is that the WG are really experiencing large revenue losses as an insider informed me. More than ever trusted regulars are vital now!
Stay safe guys!
Hi all,
Anyone know if Manhattan is still open or raided?
Thanks is advance.
Red.That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.
That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.If you read a few posts down someone mentioned Judy's seemed to be closed. So was making sure. I will be in Shanghai in September and would hate for evening fun to be none existant.
Red.
That would be terrible news. But why would it be raided? Technically, nothing illegal occurs inside Manhattan (what happens in your hotel room is different). Many of the girls do not carry condoms for this specific reason so there is plausible deniability. I have also actually met women at Manhattan who were not working girls at all, but rather accompanied a male friend for fun / shock factor.An earlier post said there was police tape in front of Judy's. Judys in in a new location one to two blocks from Manhattans (for a while now). If judy's was impacted, I would assume Manhattans was as well. Can someone stop over for a bear and let us know if our honeys are all right?
If manhattans is ok, the girls will have a lot of business with the saunas and MPs closed!
Midwestern
08-17-17, 17:24
Walked around both districts and saw that most MPs were closed, but a few SPAs were open. I know a couple of these spas offer he as part of the oil massage option. Should I go for it, or is it still risky? These places are tiny shops. Which makes me hope they are not on LE's radar.
Hi guys,
I've never been to a KTV in China, in fact never been to a KTV anywhere.
Why don't we organise a KTV party.
I will be in Shanghai 9th to 15th September. Who's game?
Red.
Midwestern
08-18-17, 10:21
Walked around both districts and saw that most MPs were closed, but a few SPAs were open. I know a couple of these spas offer he as part of the oil massage option. Should I go for it, or is it still risky? These places are tiny shops. Which makes me hope they are not on LE's radar.Never mind. I was wrong. I thought they were open, but today I discovered they are all closed. There was one place that was open, a really fancy and expensive spa, but the people at the front desk said that there was no oil massage, and in the room I noticed the shower was padlocked closed, and my provider made me wear a full pyjama set and then put a towel over me and massage me over both the pyjamas and towel. Previously, this was a place where I could get completely naked for an oil massage, with HJ available for a tip. Oh well. Lesson learned.
Hey guys,
News from a friend that works for a KTV joint is that KTVs will be "legit" for the next 10 days or so. Girls will be going home early and girls won't be leaving the KTVs with customers in the mean time.
He is only talking about his KTV so I am not sure about others but just keep it in mind.
An earlier post said there was police tape in front of Judy's. Judys in in a new location one to two blocks from Manhattans (for a while now). If judy's was impacted, I would assume Manhattans was as well. Can someone stop over for a bear and let us know if our honeys are all right?
If Manhattans is OK, the girls will have a lot of business with the saunas and MPs closed!I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.
Cheers John.
Badger1977
08-20-17, 22:43
I will be in Shanghai 9/14 and 9/15. Interested in joining a group for a KTV party. Never done this before. I do not speak Mandarin. If interested send me a private message.
BobTheRhino
08-21-17, 02:46
Dropped by on Saturday night, business was booming. Just be careful of the pickpocket crew working the road between the 2.
All the he shops in Pudong seem closed up though.
I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.
Cheers John.Excellent / reassuring news. Thank you for the scouting and update!
I was in both Judy's and Manhattan last Tuesday evening. Both were open and Manhattan was packed with girls and only a few customers.
Cheers John.Well that answers one of my question: has this affected offer. It seems not though many providers are in SH on a 3 m VISA and might decide to leave / not come again so hope nothing will change in the LT. My regular told me she will come in September as planned and her friends did not warn her of any change.
Two other questions: has the crackdown affected prices, and anyone knows if it is going to be a semi-permanent thing? I'm going to visit a few Asian cities from September thru November and I am trying to know if I should avoid Shanghai this time (I've to be there on business but can cut my stay short and head back to HK or go to MNL / AC instead!
Cheers!
ShanghaiNemo
08-21-17, 16:04
Friends, long time I didn't post. Sorry.
But please in those days be careful in Gubei area. Lots of check.
Friends, long time I didn't post. Sorry.
But please in those days be careful in Gubei area. Lots of check.Same goes in Xuhui, Pudong, Baoshan, Yangpu...
Well that answers one of my question: has this affected offer. It seems not though many providers are in SH on a 3 m VISA and might decide to leave / not come again so hope nothing will change in the LT. My regular told me she will come in September as planned and her friends did not warn her of any change.
Two other questions: has the crackdown affected prices, and anyone knows if it is going to be a semi-permanent thing? I'm going to visit a few Asian cities from September thru November and I am trying to know if I should avoid Shanghai this time (I've to be there on business but can cut my stay short and head back to HK or go to MNL / AC instead!
Cheers!Isn't this an yearly routine we all have seen? As the November approaches, its all the more important to showcase some 'morally clean' city.
But few of my friends are telling me that this time is quite unique with many being forced out of the city. Maybe we will know only in December.
Beijing4987
08-22-17, 05:02
What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief!
Mac The Night
08-22-17, 12:58
What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief!I was thinking the exact same thing. This sucks, visiting the legendary Shanghai and not able to visit soapland. Wtf. I went to my default place, Zhongshan Leisure Club and the doors were taped closed and lights were out. So sad.
Any seniors with guidance for available options? I'm staying in Hongqiao and am in dire need of soapy massage.
I may visit Manhattans over the weekend as a plan be. Open to teaming up on an adventure please PM me.
NorthSouth
08-22-17, 21:52
It appears the sauna operators are hurting. They now advertise, discreetly, to provide outcall. At 2500 to 3000 rmbs for a 70 minutes session. You pay taxi fares and hotel room (if you are a cheating husband). It is hardly worth it. For that kind of money you can get an overnight.
What is the percentage of the Chinese economy involved in the oldest profession? 15,20%? It's not going away. Cheating, scamming everywhere. Dirty air and soil. The crackdowns are only a distraction from bigger issues. Good grief!Perhaps the pressure will ease by the time of the 19th National Congress of the Communist Party (don't know the exact date but it is in the autumn) . I think that this is Pooh Bear's final attempt to reduce the influence of the Shanghai faction (Jiang Zemin) prior to the 5 yearly conference. He has recently hit and replaced top figures on the Shanghai scene and now has the clout to hit the faction financially.
I have read statistics about the Dongguan sex industry at the time of the great Yanda in 2014 (which was part of his initial attempts to take down the Jiang Zemin faction).
A common statistic was that the total sex industry (hotels, saunas, KTVs, BBSs, hair dressing salons, make up salons, clothing, taxis etc) generated 50 billion yuan or 10 percent of Dongguan's 550 billion yuan GDP.
Additionally, SCMP reported that 300,000 sex workers operated in the streets, massage parlours, KTVs, saunas and hotels of Dongguan; and up to 800,000 people. An extraordinary 10 percent of the city's population. Were involved in the sex trade in one form or another.
I suspect that these percentages are considerably higher than those for any other Chinese city, as Dongguan was an international sex tourist spot with many visitors from HK, Taiwan and Singapore.
Ikks.
Hi guys,
Got taken to a KTV by a mate. It was inside Pullman level 3 hotel in Shanghai. Sorry I don't know the exact location as its my first day in Shanghai. Had about 25 girls line up but average quality.
2 k for one girl.
8 k room min spend.
We end up spending 36 k for 9 guys. Bit ridiculous price from my experience.
Some girls was willing to go home but at 15 k mark. Way too much.
Anyway that's was my experience. My mate said alot of place don't have girls anymore. Thats why its at ridiculous price.
What do you guys think?
I will be here for another 2 days. Any senior know better place. Please advise. Would much appreciated. Want to try 1 more before leaving this expensive service Shanghai.
Mac The Night
08-23-17, 14:22
Any Shanghai locals can recommend independents friendly to Lo Wei for some time at my Hongqiao hotel please PM me.
This dry spell is killing me. Thanks want to stay away from agencies due to weather. What's left, craigslist?
I know they're out there. Please senior brother hook me up.
Thanks!
SharkTank17
08-23-17, 21:13
Any Shanghai locals can recommend independents friendly to Lo Wei for some time at my Hongqiao hotel please PM me.
This dry spell is killing me. Thanks want to stay away from agencies due to weather. What's left, craigslist?
I know they're out there. Please senior brother hook me up.
Thanks!Same challenge, I have. Just arrived and stay until end of next week. Please PM me some good independents contacts via PM so I can enjoy Shanghai during this "heavy weather".
Thanks!
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Jude Bright
08-24-17, 03:19
Same challenge, I have. Just arrived and stay until end of next week. Please PM me some good independents contacts via PM so I can enjoy Shanghai during this "heavy weather".
Thanks!
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Jb.
Hi,
Any local friends who can recommend me soapy massage? I am here for a week and each of my contacts have told me that they are closed. The dry spell is really bad for me.
Thanking you all good fellows in advance.
Ed.
I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.
Cheers,
Taz.
I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.
Cheers,
Taz.Appreciate if you could advise.
Ed.
I'll start with a disclaimer that I have not been out in quite a long time (for various reasons), however I do have 20 or contacts on Wechat. Seems like things are slowly starting to happen again. And not just with outcall services. It appears that some saunas are open for business.
Cheers,
Taz.Yep but it seems so places are playing the russian roulette because they can't afford being closed too long (cashflow issues + the added troubles of having borrowed cash to some people at very high rate.).
So I wouldn't recommend going out until things get more widely labbeled as "somehow safe".
Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?
i am in the US but dying to know
Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?
i am in the US but dying to knowI am also dying to know. I'm going to Beijing later in the year so I hope it's cooled off by then.
Midwestern
08-25-17, 02:47
Isn't SNG or Rain an option at the moment? The website is still up.
and no independants at Judy's or Manhattans?
i am in the US but dying to knowI would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed someone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.
I would stay away from Rain. She seems mentally unstable. Ask her a question and she goes crazy and makes threats. Recently she outed somone with his name and contact info on her wechat because she got angry at him.OK, so no Rain because she's crazy, but my question is, "are these still operating? What about Manhattan's Judy's?" a couple weeks ago, I read there was police tape across the front of Judy's door. There has been no post since saying they are back up and running.
Fisherman2
08-25-17, 15:04
OK, so no Rain because she's crazy, but my question is, "are these still operating? What about Manhattan's Judy's?" a couple weeks ago, I read there was police tape across the front of Judy's door. There has been no post since saying they are back up and running.Not to worry: Manhattan and Judy's operating as usual, no problem there.
Mac The Night
08-26-17, 08:43
Not to worry: Manhattan and Judy's operating as usual, no problem there.Confirm that Manhattan is open. I went last night at 11 pm.
But, it was a dude fest. 10:1 ratio, very little selection and none above a 6.
Took Lyna back to hotel for 2 kRMB, 2 hrs 2 pops. Cute Viet with average build. Pricing was same among the 3 SP's I interviewed. Service was OK, but will not repeat.
But, the BBBJ with "please baby cum in my mouth" was alright.
With all the saunas shuttered I would have thought there would be more selection. Where are all the girls?
Aside, I tried to purchase subscription to ISG and my Visa card was not accepted. Will subscribe by cash when I get back stateside. Damn, I need a soapy massage.
Mac The Night
08-26-17, 15:03
With the sauna situation as it is, and no other pointers here, I TOFTT and tried a menu selection from Happymassage, AirHostess Fenny.
Booked Fenny for outcall, 2 hrs GFE FS, 1 kRMB+200 for taxi. She showed up on time. Good English.
Petite spinner, face 7 body 8. Clean, smelled nice. Etc.
Got straight to business. She asked for "tip" to give BJ and I reminded her what FS means. She gave up arguing and proceeded with CBJ.
Good skills, then onto covered mish and cowgirl. She is smoking hot but she rushed the service, not like "hurry up baby", but aggressive riding, grinding and moaning and didn't slow despite me asking her to slow down, I didn't stand a chance. She was in and out in 30 minutes.
Could have been better, definitely could have been worse. If you want a quick satisfaction and can tolerate attempts to upsell, I recommend. If you want GFE, you need to look somewhere else.
I won't repeat. Still seeking tips for soapy in Shanghai.
Beijing4987
08-26-17, 19:05
#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.
Hi,
Any local friends who can recommend me soapy massage? I am here for a week and each of my contacts have told me that they are closed. The dry spell is really bad for me.
Thanking you all good fellows in advance.
Ed.I'm in shanghai now you can PM me how to find it.
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Hey guys,
I used to live in shanghai but now itś been a while. Back in the day, FS treatments were widely available at selected hotels, just ask for it in the spa lobby and of you go. Shanghai hotel was one of these very nice places.
I'm now planning a trip, and I would very much appreciate an update on the availability of these services.
Is this kind of service gone forever or is it still available?
Mac The Night
08-27-17, 14:06
#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.Thanks Beijing4987.
Visited #10 at this place today, easy to find. Decent oil massage for 1 HR and some fun with a fun girl. The little disposable pants she had me wear confused me for a while, until she started exploring. I left happy.
Damage 300 RMB +200 tip.
Thanks again.
Still hoping a soapy shop opens soon!
Okay, I have an unusual request, but I'm willing to compensate anyone who helps me with Paypal cash.
Met a girl at a massage place in PuXi last spring on a visit. Was planning on coming back soon. But with life, things never panned out the way I expected. I want to connect with the girl via WeChat before she gets lost forever. If anyone is in the PuXi area and wants to check out the massage place at link below to ask for the girl's info, please PM me. Giving a US $50 Paypal bounty for said girl's Wechat (will PM more details for anyone who is wants to try). Not even sure if place is open.
http://www.dianping.com/shop/2231524
Thanks.
I've been to Judy's and Manhattan few times in the past. However, either the russians / columbians are too less or below average, let alone the dude / chic ratio. Its quite surprising, given that Guangzhou has far more cosmopolitan flavours on offer. Am I missing a place? Please suggest. Need big ass columbians, desperately!
- Sam!
Hi all,
Will be in SH on 30th for a night.
Just notice from all your posts that saunas has been raided?
So no action going on right now?
How about out calls?
Anyone know any good outcalls?
Thanks!
Arizona123
08-29-17, 01:23
For those interested, this is information gathered through various sources, I'm not sure which one is true.
Rumor #1. The first sauna raided located at the football stadium. The local government wanted to clear out all businesses at the bottom level of the stadium for renovation. Convenient stores, real estate shops, restaurants, small offices, and others all agreed to move except for the sauna. The government offered them 10 million RMB to vacate, they wanted 30 million RMB. After all negotiations broke down, the place was raided. You can find video and pictures of this event on the net. The whole situation snowballed from here.
Rumor #2. One owner of a legit foot massage shop went to the local press and complained about how his legit business is getting harassed by customers thinking they can get extra services at his shop. He pointed out a few saunas in the surrounding areas. The press went undercover with cameras into the sauna at the football stadium, sent the videos to the LE threatening to air the footage, a few days later the place was raided.
Rumor #3. There was an administration change over the summer at both the city level and police precinct. Note that this is at the city level and not district level, hence the city-wide shutdown. This administration change plus the preparation for the upcoming communist party meeting (Shijiuda), all entertainment establishments were raided. Over a three weeks period over 4,000 places were raided, this included BBS, MP's, saunas, KTV's, card gambling houses, etc.
I tend to believe it is #3, I verified that the administration change was true and everybody knows about the party meeting. If you're one of the sauna rats like me, you'll find your QQ / Wechat groups either in lock mode temporarily or permanently for some. There are some sauna's providing outcalls now, but the number of girls are less than 10 per shop and the prices pretty high. You'll have to have been a previous customer for them to do business with you.
So guys unless you have regulars that you can contact directly, your best option is Manhattan, Judy's or independents. This storm isn't going away anytime soon.
Thanks Beijing4987.
Visited #10 at this place today, easy to find. Decent oil massage for 1 HR and some fun with a fun girl. The little disposable pants she had me wear confused me for a while, until she started exploring. I left happy.
Damage 300 RMB +200 tip.
Thanks again.
Still hoping a soapy shop opens soon!Have been there 2 day ago, too and had a good time with #8. Damage 300+100 tip.
Yesterday night checked Ronghua area near Carrefour and everything is closed.
Midwestern
08-29-17, 15:35
#250 YuYuan Road MP near Jingan Temple has re opened. #10 is there for your service. Fun gal. Good moves.Thanks! But I'm curious. Why is this place open but pretty much nothing else is open?
For those interested, this is information gathered through various sources, I'm not sure which one is true.
Rumor #1. The first sauna raided located at the football stadium. The local government wanted to clear out all businesses at the bottom level of the stadium for renovation. Convenient stores, real estate shops, restaurants, small offices, and others all agreed to move except for the sauna. The government offered them 10 million RMB to vacate, they wanted 30 million RMB. After all negotiations broke down, the place was raided. You can find video and pictures of this event on the net. The whole situation snowballed from here.I'm not sure if its related to the raid but yes there have been big wipes to convert both the stadium and the area around as parks. Place should then be opened 24/7.
There have been articles about this in July ie: http://www.shanghaidaily.com/metro/society/Revamp-to-create-big-sports-venue/shdaily.shtml.
Rumor #2. One owner of a legit foot massage shop went to the local press and complained about how his legit business is getting harassed by customers thinking they can get extra services at his shop. He pointed out a few saunas in the surrounding areas. The press went undercover with cameras into the sauna at the football stadium, sent the videos to the LE threatening to air the footage, a few days later the place was raided.
Yes see "Baidu Map Scandal" article a couple pages back.
Rumor #3. There was an administration change over the summer at both the city level and police precinct. Note that this is at the city level and not district level, hence the city-wide shutdown. This administration change plus the preparation for the upcoming communist party meeting (Shijiuda), all entertainment establishments were raided. Over a three weeks period over 4,000 places were raided, this included BBS, MP's, saunas, KTV's, card gambling houses, etc.
I tend to believe it is #3, I verified that the administration change was true and everybody knows about the party meeting. If you're one of the sauna rats like me, you'll find your QQ / Wechat groups either in lock mode temporarily or permanently for some. There are some sauna's providing outcalls now, but the number of girls are less than 10 per shop and the prices pretty high. You'll have to have been a previous customer for them to do business with you.
So guys unless you have regulars that you can contact directly, your best option is Manhattan, Judy's or independents. This storm isn't going away anytime soon.
Definatly the most likely reason from all the input I got while discussing this with various people too.
To that you can add that Xi Jinping would apparently be expected to visit Shanghai in October and that even legit places will be asked to open the door when a girl massages a man and such. During his stay.
Naughty places will have to close during his visit but apparently this time they are asked to close even before this event. Because of the current tension with the 19th congress and the change of power in the Shanghai admin.
I second your recommendation don't go to places which open like Yuyuan road MP advertised below because its not because its opened that it is safe. Think about it, the chances of getting caught in this period is greater than usual because the police has even less places to monitor than usual. Sure MPs are harder to be caught if its a fully dressed quick HJ. But one thing the LE hates is people going against their recommandations.
There are also rumors than specific districts will be shut forever (ie some people say they want to convert pudong as a model district.).
Well as usual there are many rumors, its likely the current situation is a mix of different reasons.
I can confirm that the raids going on are beyond the scope of mere stadium massage raids. A friend of mine who works as a prison guardian Baoding recently chatted about having to pull an unexpected major shift because they had to process around 150 people three nights ago from a big gambling den that was busted up. Apparently he's never seen such a large raid / influx of people, and has been advised to prepare for more. Stay safe out there, guys!
Midwestern
08-30-17, 15:17
This stormy weather is driving me crazy. I don't need FS, as I t's too tiring. I just miss the inexpensive massage + HJ. But I'm afraid to visit any place that's taking a chance by being open. Anyway, just wanted to vent.
All For Bb
08-30-17, 15:40
I guess that Shanghai might be another Dong Guan, under Xi Jingping's leadership. That mean, sex industry may be closed forever in Shanghai and in China largely.
Charly 2144
08-30-17, 22:44
Hi Charlie2144,
Thanks for sharing your experiences!
This afternoon I went to Changshou Rd. I guess I spent 30-45 minutes trying to find the place indicated, and I asked 5-6 people around the supposed no, 76, who all tried their best too. But there is seemingly no 76 Changshou Rd. It is indicated nowhere and the people around did not know about it either. Could you perhaps elaborate a bit, please?
Afterwards I went to Shaan Xi Bei Lu. That was indeed easy to find but I didn't feel too attracted by the ambience, so I left again.Really sorry for this late answer!
Actually, I went there twice. Each time by taxi. The driver dropped me right in front of the building. There is a small post mentioning the spa at the 4th floor. Very easy to find for me although I don't read or speak chinese.
The other venue is quite weird but is fine actually. You should try.
Hope this helps.
Good day,
I am overly worried about the current situation.
I was wondering how LE potentially finds out that I receive a HJ in a legit massage place. Everything takes place behind closed doors and the massage girl is fully dressed.
Does anyone has experience how a raid at a massage places looks like? I always thought that a HJ is no problem and should be part of a proper full-body massage anyway.
Would you currently even avoid to go to a place just for a proper massage with happy ending (no FS)? If not, when would you expect it is more or less safe again?
ShanghaiWanda
08-31-17, 12:16
Communist Party Congress on 18th October. Then we will see.
I guess that Shanghai might be another Dong Guan, under Xi Jingping's leadership. That mean, sex industry may be closed forever in Shanghai and in China largely.
I was in SH August 19 and 20. Stayed at Hilton hongqiao. I went to manhattan and judys on Saturday. All seemed normal. Tons of ladies at both. Great ratio. I don't take out typically. So I do t know prices.
I did wander around the hotel to find massage. The place next door to the Hilton on the second floor was closed. I have never been there before and was looking forward to it. Bummed it was closed.
So I walked around more. Stopped by thanks massage and went in. A guy came in my room to give the massage. I left.
Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.
Then I was off to Hong Kong. Much better fun there!
Midwestern
08-31-17, 16:52
I was in SH August 19 and 20. Stayed at Hilton hongqiao. I went to manhattan and judys on Saturday. All seemed normal. Tons of ladies at both. Great ratio. I don't take out typically. So I do t know prices.
I did wander around the hotel to find massage. The place next door to the Hilton on the second floor was closed. I have never been there before and was looking forward to it. Bummed it was closed.
So I walked around more. Stopped by thanks massage and went in. A guy came in my room to give the massage. I left.
Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.
Then I was off to Hong Kong. Much better fun there!It's in the Highton Hotel?
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It's in the Highton Hotel?Yeah. That's the one. Forgot the name. Spa on second floor.
NorthSouth
09-01-17, 23:51
It seems like the crackdown is pretty comprehensive. I walked past my neighborhood "foot massage" places this week. They were small operations, having 3 or 4 older women working there, catering to locals and never seems busy. They were all closed. One actually had a notice from the local public safety office, sealing the door. If they cracked down on such small operations, nothing is safe.
Midwestern
09-02-17, 14:55
Most Chinese hotels have SPAs that will send a girl to your room and extras are often available. Even SPAs at Western hotels have in-room massage girls that will offer extras. Has the stormy weather affected this activity?
Member #4689
09-02-17, 16:56
They were all closed. One actually had a notice from the local public safety office, sealing the door. If they cracked down on such small operations, nothing is safe.Can someone please tell what these LE notices actually say, it seems every shop has the same notice printed in black and white banner style and placed as a cross over the front door. Some shops also have a text A4 notice on the door.
Beijing4987
09-02-17, 20:20
Have any members TOFT at this place? Please inform by PM only. Three new technicians have arrived recently. #7,8 and 66. #18 has taken a back seat with the constantly revolving talent.
Most Chinese hotels have SPAs that will send a girl to your room and extras are often available. Even SPAs at Western hotels have in-room massage girls that will offer extras. Has the stormy weather affected this activity?Some of the said Hotel SPA don't provide in SPA service anymore but do provide in room service.
Of course this kind of service is less codified than in your usual MP shop, with the boss taking a big % of the price so the price tends to be quite expensive otherwise the girls wouldn't gain much.
Jude Bright
09-03-17, 15:10
Can someone please tell what these LE notices actually say, it seems every shop has the same notice printed in black and white banner style and placed as a cross over the front door. Some shops also have a text A4 notice on the door.Can you post a photo of the notice? For those of us who are not currently in SH have no idea what it looks like?
Jb.
Even local chinese websites like 77 shlf (the local chinese equivalent of SNG) are completely shut down. I have a feeling the good days are completely over, just like what happened in Dongguan. Well, we had a good run. RIP!
Midwestern
09-04-17, 12:14
Yeah. That's the one. Forgot the name. Spa on second floor.I checked it out by paying a lot for a massage and no extras were available. But maybe I got unlucky.
While one of my regular shops has stopped giving he since the raid, another one is continuing with business as usual (maybe a little more cautious- E. G. No more showers). This particular shop includes he in the price (no tip required). It's a chain all over Shanghai. PM me for details.
I was in SH August 19 and 20....
Then I went another place. I think it's called Lichen. It's in the Chinese hotel next to the Hilton. 390 rob two hour massage and facial. He for another 300. Good time. Good massage. Nice girl.Is that roughly $110-$120 US total?
I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.
Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?
Even local chinese websites like 77 shlf (the local chinese equivalent of SNG) are completely shut down. I have a feeling the good days are completely over, just like what happened in Dongguan. Well, we had a good run. RIP!They're still opened.
The one you're mentionning is available here: http://www.33shlf.com/.
The other famous one: http://www.aishs.top/forum.php.
These sites have been changing url 2 or 3 times a year for several years now.
But they mostly make money from Ads and well. Not many ads there considering the current situation (aside from the saunas which prepaid ads on a long period and are now being advertised for nothing.).
On a side note there are rumors on these chinese sites of places reopening in Putuo on Tong Pu Road, and in Minhang without specifics.
Of cours noone really knows how safe that is... so I'd advise not to go... (safe for places which reopened in Jing'an)
Jude Bright
09-04-17, 17:23
They're still opened.
The one you're mentionning is available here: http://www.33shlf.com/.
The other famous one: http://www.aishs.top/forum.php.
These sites have been changing url 2 or 3 times a year for several years now.
But they mostly make money from Ads and well. Not many ads there considering the current situation (aside from the saunas which prepaid ads on a long period and are now being advertised for nothing.).
On a side note there are rumors on these chinese sites of places reopening in Putuo on Tong Pu Road, and in Minhang without specifics.
Of cours noone really knows how safe that is... so I'd advise not to go... (safe for places which reopened in Jing'an)Just got a surprise call from a sauna and they reopened in Kunshan, a town between Shanghai and Suzhou. I am in the US now and unable to try yet.
Midwestern
09-05-17, 00:32
Is that roughly $110-$120 US total?I checked it out. It's 590 rmb for non members. And there were no extras. But maybe I got unlucky with a nervous provider. Massage wasn't great either. Waste of money and 2 hours.
FYI its more of a rumor than a certain thing as of now since no official confirmation but:
- I got a couple reports from people trying the SNG hotline this weekend and getting no answer through the multiple channels available.
- SNG site is now down (and since not hosted in China it means was taken down by its owner).
Could the hotline have been arrested and the website been taken down to cover the tracks?
Possible. If anyone else has info. I know a girl who works with them and had big? Too.
Midwestern
09-05-17, 03:06
FYI its more of a rumor than a certain thing as of now since no official confirmation but:
- I got a couple reports from people trying the SNG hotline this weekend and getting no answer through the multiple channels available.
- SNG site is now down (and since not hosted in China it means was taken down by its owner).
Could the hotline have been arrested and the website been taken down to cover the tracks?
Possible. If anyone else has info. I know a girl who works with them and had big? Too.Yes, the SNG site is down. It was available yesterday. Seems like things are changing (for the worse) every day.
Those hours are not favorable even in the best of times. Saunas and MPs will be closed and Indies will be asleep.
I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.
Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?
As a suggestion, you can try the airport massage. Extras can be had (although maybe not recently.) But you'll be paying an arm and a leg for it. It does have a certain novelty factor.
I have an 8 hour layover on a Tuesday morning, getting in at 6 am. Ugh, that's bad timing.
Flight leaves at 2 pm. With everything going on I guess that rules out Manhattan's and Judy's. Any suggestions?
TravelFirst81
09-05-17, 13:32
Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?
TF.
Midwestern
09-05-17, 14:50
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The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.
Yes, the SNG site is down. It was available yesterday. Seems like things are changing (for the worse) every day.
Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?
TF.It probably means "no limitation, within the time period". That you can "shoot" as many times as you are able to, within the time period. The time period might be 1 hour, 70 minutes, 2 hours, overnight (typically 11 pm until 7 or 8 am the following morning).
If you can quote the exact Chinese phrase then someone here will be able to "nail it down" for you.
Enjoy and report.
P13.
TravelFirst81
09-06-17, 07:22
It probably means "no limitation, within the time period". That you can "shoot" as many times as you are able to, within the time period. The time period might be 1 hour, 70 minutes, 2 hours, overnight (typically 11 pm until 7 or 8 am the following morning).
If you can quote the exact Chinese phrase then someone here will be able to "nail it down" for you.
Enjoy and report.
P13.Trying to book a independent escort at SNG (before it shutdown). Advertise as a "Bookable Girlfriend" with "Limitation: No" remarks. 3900 for 12 hrs. When I ask how many shots available, she said only 1 times and its depending on her mood. I said it should more than 1 shot for 12 hrs and she went crazy and calling me names. She said "Limitation: No" means only 1 shot. Its crazy right?
MaskedManqc555
09-06-17, 13:30
There's a poster called "Kaitexi" that posts an ad in the "classified ads" forum here. She links to a website for Shanghai escorts. Has anyone ever hired one of the girls there? If so, how was it? Is that ad reliable / safe?
Can anybody tell me what "Limitation: No" means? Because I got curse for asking about it from some provider. Is that mean no limit shot or only 1 time shot?
TF.Kind of sux your first and only post on this forum is for a question about our interpretation of 2 words. And no link or anything to the said ad which could allow us to better understand the context.
I wouldn't deal with a provider cursing me for asking a question on the service provided. Not very reassuring.
BrianKaneman
09-06-17, 22:20
I was in Shanghai near Nanjing Road buying some fake watches and sunglasses. We were approached by one of the shop owners who heard us talking about a massage with a happy ending. He pulled us aside and asked us what we wanted. We said we have to catch our plane but a nice massage with a HJ would work. He said to follow him, we follow him through the back alleys for about 8 minutes. He brings us into this small massage place. We checked it out and the girls were cute so we decided to stay. At the end we both had nice massage with HJ, total cost was 260 rmb each. Sorry but not able to remember where we were. Can't wait to go back, but it sounds like things are changing.
Trying to book a independent escort at SNG (before it shutdown). Advertise as a "Bookable Girlfriend" with "Limitation: No" remarks. 3900 for 12 hrs. When I ask how many shots available, she said only 1 times and its depending on her mood. I said it should more than 1 shot for 12 hrs and she went crazy and calling me names. She said "Limitation: No" means only 1 shot. Its crazy right?On the limitation stands for "pop limit" no means no limit. . Just cause the page say it doesn't mean all the girls come through.
You could have complained to steven (in the past) as he would give the girl a mark. If she got enough marks she was out.
Best way to really know is post some reviews. And people like me will share with you as we go.
I have not been to China since the storms so I am not much help at the moment.
The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.Lucy is definitely in business as well. The girls have been warned though, to lay low and be careful accepting new customers.
That was a silly thing to do. Never follow touts. Especially around Nanjing road. You are lucky you got away without being roughed up and having your credit cards maxed out.
I was in Shanghai near Nanjing Road buying some fake watches and sunglasses. We were approached by one of the shop owners who heard us talking about a massage with a happy ending. He pulled us aside and asked us what we wanted. We said we have to catch our plane but a nice massage with a HJ would work. He said to follow him, we follow him through the back alleys for about 8 minutes. He brings us into this small massage place. We checked it out and the girls were cute so we decided to stay. At the end we both had nice massage with HJ, total cost was 260 rmb each. Sorry but not able to remember where we were. Can't wait to go back, but it sounds like things are changing.
The English speaking girls have their own phones and WeChat accounts so they can still be reached. Google "time machine" to lookup archived pages for SNG. Search for gals like Beverly, Mimi, Cathy, Angeline.Thanks for the suggestion regarding time machine.
I tried it and got all the way to the overview of the girls, but when I want to see their details incl. Contact info, I end up with Error 404.
Any tip on how to get the last step done and get the contact info?
Highly appreciated!
My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the Chinese police.
My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the chinese police.Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?
TravelFirst81
09-07-17, 17:18
Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?I can confirm his mobile and wechat is shutdown / offline. Already ask 2 of the provider to contact him but can't go through.
Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?Long time lurker, first time poster. I have avoided many pitfalls by RTFF and taking advice and direction from the many of you who have left FR. In the course of that I met Judy, the call screener for SNG and also several of the nice ladies who have marketed through SNG and have always been fully satisfied by my interactions with them. SNG was the one place I always received what was expected and had some decent idea of how the provider would look when she arrived. I thank you all for your contributions to my education.
In the course of those interactions I maintained communications with several of the young ladies and one of them had confirmed to me the above bad news. Although I have no additional verification beyond SNG being shut down, she tells me that both "Judy" and Stephen have been detained.
She also agreed with my guess that it could be bad to maintain membership in group chats on WeChat regarding various arrangements in Shanghai, in particular there was a chat group focused on KTV arrangements that Judy's alter ego managed. I have quit and deleted that chat group and suggest others do the same to CYA.
Is it just a guess from his site being down? Or do you have specific elements to back it up / how it happened?One of his long time girls texted me.
I can confirm his mobile and wechat is shutdown / offline. Already ask 2 of the provider to contact him but can't go through.
One of his long time girls texted me.Yep that's what we posted bellow:
Hotline dead for a week+.
Website down.
Girls with no news from SNG / no new business.
But I renew my question. Is it just an educated guess by your contact that he MAY have been arrested or is your contact (Cathy?) basing it on something solid / has info about the context of his arrestation?
If he was indeed arrested, then who took the site down? And how comes nothing has been said about it in the local media yet when you know how much they'd love to make the arrest of a foreigner doing bad business public.
I am sure we will know one way or another on Steven. . let the dust clear a little. I know Steven had an out plan but he may not have had a chance to enact it.
TravelFirst81
09-08-17, 05:04
With SNG down and BP / Cracker is my only source, I will try to contact.
Sandy http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/real-sexy-yoga-cosplay-girl-sandy-86-158-2131-5332-fullfil-your-wildest-fantasies/6887648.
Coco http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/100-genuine-independant-coco-open-clean-discrete-and-waiting-for-you/6887593.
Will check out and report either one of them or both. If someone already have review for both please advise and share some info.
TF.
TheTrooper21
09-08-17, 08:44
It's sad that SNG has been shutdown as I've been using that site for many years. Feel bad for Steven, Judy, etc. If they really got detained because they helped a lot of people throughout the years.
Anyways, I went to both Judy's and Manhattan's on 9/1 (Friday) at around 9 pm.
Noticed lots of independents wandering outside the streets. A couple police officers were monitoring Manhattans in their car. That kind of spooked me.
Anyways, when we went inside Manhattan's, there were barely any girls for some reason. Totally not like before where there were a ton of girls standing on the sides and everywhere.
Next, we went to Judy's which was much of the same.
Eventually someone approached me on the street and offered 1 hour for 1500 which I went for. Normally I would negotiate but I wasn't in the mood.
Service was pretty good, BBJ and Sex. Took about 30 min. Total then she left.
Miss the saunas and especially the cheap massages with happy endings. I used to buy the 5 k cards at Spring Massage which then gave me a nice discount for a 300 RMB massage + tip (sometimes depending on the girl). That was really nice as 1 k could get me 3 massages instead of going for one mediocre sauna experience.
If anyone knows of any safe places to go to for happy ending massages or independents, please PM me.
I saw a place on Kangding and Jiangning. They were calling me over like the old days but I dare not go in as I had never been there. I know that place has been around for many years though. Anyone ever been there?
Contacted some of my regulars working in bars, parlors, KTVs. Most of their shops were asked to shut down for 2 - 3 months. Some decided to leave Shanghai for a while, as there will be no business.
Lev.
My contacts tell me Stephen has been arrested by the chinese police.I thought he was really daring in the first place, showing his face on the website. Let's hope for the best.
Lev.
Any further information about Judy's and Manhattan? Still open?
Good time to make sure all precautions in place. For instance, never use wechat account linked to your ID when dealing with these establishments.
I see some saunas are offering takeout to known customers. But I plan to sit out till after party congress.
Big Poppa II
09-08-17, 14:47
One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.
It seems that the situation is serious.
BP.
One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.
It seems that the situation is serious.
BP.Oh no, don't make me crazy and nervous.
I will be in Shanghai mid of November, my worst fear is that until then every bar in SH will be swept out and the scene is dead / closed.
My plan is usually to visit Manhattan or Judy's and take one beauty out with me.
But if everything is increasing with crackdowns in the meanwhile there may be no more chance.
Has such situation been before already in Shanghai in former years? Does anyone know? And why is it actually like it is?
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Has such situation been before already in Shanghai in former years? Does anyone know? And why is it actually like it is?Unless the reports have some hysteria or conjecture (leading to hysteria) this sounds as worse than it's ever been. It has happened before this time of year but not to this degree. I am not sure I would try anything over there just now. Don't let the little head get you to jail.
Unless the reports have some hysteria or conjecture (leading to hysteria) this sounds as worse than it's ever been. It has happened before this time of year but not to this degree. I am not sure I would try anything over there just now. Don't let the little head get you to jail.Hahhhh? I don't understand!
You have one post on the forum and you spent 1500 Yuans for 30 minutes. Wow -talk about continuing to ruin the market rate for the rest of us. It seems the hysteria and fear mongering on the SH forum needs to take a breather and let the cooler heads prevail.
Eventually someone approached me on the street and offered 1 hour for 1500 which I went for. Normally I would negotiate but I wasn't in the mood.
One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.
It seems that the situation is serious.
BP.While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.
Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.
Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.
Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.
I'm stuck as well.
I've had success locating Mimi in Shanghai / Cracker. But it seems she was the only gal with external ads.
Thanks for the suggestion regarding time machine.
I tried it and got all the way to the overview of the girls, but when I want to see their details incl. Contact info, I end up with Error 404.
Any tip on how to get the last step done and get the contact info?
Highly appreciated!
One of my friends from Judy's is back in Saigon working in the food industry, her former profession. She would not tell me why but I suspect it was not voluntary. I did not hear from her for a few days and then she is in Vietnam and claiming she will not go back to Shanghai.
It seems that the situation is serious.
BP.Well, if you are a Tier 1 Viet girl, why even have the headache of going all the way to Shanghai to be hassled when you can take a shorter flight from Hanoi / HCM to Singapore and work the Brix? Some girls might have established friends / family in Shanghai they stay with but otherwise, I think the environment is probably worse. Hopefully this will die down in a few months.
While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it.Yes, that might be a reason that there is the most important party congress on 18th October and they clean a little bit streets.
But: the congress is in Beijing. So why crackdowns in Shanghai?
Member #4505
09-09-17, 07:24
Good time to make sure all precautions in place. For instance, never use wechat account linked to your ID when dealing with these establishments.
I see some saunas are offering takeout to known customers. But I plan to sit out till after party congress.So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?
I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?
Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.
Maybe I should just leave China.
Member #4505
09-09-17, 07:59
While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.
Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.
Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.
Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?
Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.
Hahhhh? I don't understand!I'll make it easy. If what people are posting is completely factual, no it has never been this bad.
Hysteria is when people start jumping at the smallest thing and making it worse than it is. Since we are all communicating what we heard, I don't know if it's been exaggerated. If nothing has been exagerrated. This seems bad. We have also seen things like this blow over and business return to normal. Places like changping and Donguan (these were cities that basically became brothels and sex destinations for men) went through this and never returned to former glory however.
If I was there, I would not play there.
Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.
Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.
I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.
I went to a MP today. They wouldn't even do oil massage, despite it being on the menu. And I had to wear my boxers under their blue shorts. They're all expecting to be raided any minute.
The girl did say she expected it to return to 'normal' on October 19th. We'll see.
In the meantime, play it safe!
Good as ever. Nice mix of Viet girls plying the trade. Judy's, Red Moon also active, even some girls just waiting along the street. Prices as usual.
Seems that's the way to go until pressure on saunas, massage parlors eases.
I remember when several saunas shut down last year. Huge, 5-star one never reopened. Massage places stopped showers in room for some reason. We'll see how landscape looks when dust settles after Party Congress.
How safe do you think wechat is? If I have made arrangements with a girl from SNG in the past would I be in danger?
Sorry if this sounds paranoid but the crackdown just keeps getting worse from what I see.My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.
So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.
Fifty Shades
09-09-17, 21:01
So if I had an encounter with one of SNG's girls in the last month, and we arranged the the deed over WeChat, would this put me and other clients of hers in danger from the LE?
I realize that sounds a bit paranoid, but given that this sort of crackdown is unprecedented and Chinese authorities have proven unpredictable recently, maybe I should ask her to delete our conversations?
Not sure that would even help since all messages are at the government's disposal in the WeChat database.
Maybe I should just leave China.My two cents, for what they are worth:
Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?
A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.
Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?
A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.
Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?
A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.
My only concern was belonging to a WeChat group where I didn't know all the members in real life. In one past version some poorly vetted chat members ruined one KTV organizing chat-room by posting craploads of fecal porn. Not everyone's cup of tea. I am pretty certain that my chats with providers I have connections with are genuine. That is to say that they haven't been detained and so I sure that I am not actually chatting up someone from Shanghai PD. I base that on references to our prior relationship and the level of grammar and vocabulary being consistent with what I know of these women. Also continued posts to their moments showing their life moving along that are consistent with our conversations.
So I guess if a provider stopped posting pics of her life and times in SH and suddenly her english got much better or much worse you might have concerns but short of that I think WeChat as a social media is not monitored by China's NSA, at least not for these purposes. I could be wrong but then we're all busted.I'd use wechat as long as the phone is not linked to my ID. Technically, any Chinese phone number should be linked to the user's ID. So it's smart to maintain one wechat for regular interaction and an anon wechat for mongering.
My two cents, for what they are worth:
Q: Why a crackdown in all cities, not just Beijing?
A: Important people from all over China are now jockeying for power. Sending reporters / LE to busy local houses of sin to embarrass city officials in the press could derail an opponent's career at this sensitive moment in time. Variations on this theme happen all over the world, not just China. The only defense is to be squeaky clean.
Q: Why have some bars with foreign WGs and customers stayed relatively untouched over the years?
A: The Chinese people seem less concerned about foreigners screwing each other than they are about their own people. If foreigners screw each other, maybe they will leave Chinese girls alone.
Q: Will they go after individual arrangements on Wechat, etc?
A: I can't imagine less bang for the LE buck. China is not puritanical. Big business on wechat is another story.Yeah, foreigners are not the target. We're collateral damage. Most saunas almost never see a foreigner.
Private arrangements are fairly safe since they are hard to convict, even under Chinese law (with few rights for accused). The Chinese shut down prostitution in a few other cities because they were becoming Pataya. Not the case with Shanghai.
Big Poppa II
09-10-17, 00:01
While current crackdown is undeniable, no reason to create hysteria. The Viet girls from Judy's and Manhattan are constantly returning home (and coming back).
This is a big party congress. Crackdown is proportionately big but we have no evidence it will be lasting.
Having said that, LE has never clamped down on private (non-pimped) arrangements, such as those between a man and woman at a bar. Also, SNG females appear still working privately. So there are options that LE is unlikely to care about. Focus in China is always on the businesses that profit directly.
Even in the USA, having a woman come to your apartment or hotel is relatively safe. LE only wants to hit the businesses, or lure Johns into their own traps.
Bottom line: Let's focus on facts and share info. Personally, I would not go into a sauna or illicit massage parlor at this time. But I'll work with known providers, or enjoy the game of trying to seduce legit massage therapists. Hopefully, saunas will be back.It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.
Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.
BP.
Visa requirements: 30 days max stay.
It is true that they go back and forth, since I know her she's been back five times. Typically every month. One time she just went for a day to Hanoi, did not even leave the airport.
Again, I don't know why, but something happened to make her change professions. Hopefully it is just temporary.
BP.
Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.
As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.
If you do get caught, put on 2 pairs of shirts and 2 pair of boxers and if you can 2 pair of pants, you will need it.
GL.
Fifty Shades
09-10-17, 17:35
Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.
As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.
If you do get caught, put on 2 pairs of shirts and 2 pair of boxers and if you can 2 pair of pants, you will need it.
GL.How many foreigners did you see in total?
Member #4505
09-10-17, 23:21
Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why..Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?
Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?
Boag-.
Thanks for sharing your ordeal. Scary.
SNG had a good thing going for awhile but that's obviously over. Given the current zeal of LE, I personally will only use an unregistered wechat account, deal directly with the girls, not discuss money via wechat and not disclose my room / apartment number (meet them in the lobby). But I really prefer the Manhattan option. No electronic trail.
Boag-.
Thanks for sharing your ordeal. Scary.
SNG had a good thing going for awhile but that's obviously over. Given the current zeal of LE, I personally will only use an unregistered wechat account, deal directly with the girls and not disclose my room / apartment number (meet them in the lobby). But I really prefer the Manhattan option. No electronic trail.Sound advice, but I don't understand the meaning of an "unregistered weChat account", and what is the advantage of the lack of registration from a security point of view.
Ikks.
How many foreigners did you see in total?14 Total guys, 12 Foreigners, 1 Chinese national from the US, 1 Chinese national that lived in Shanghai.
Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?
Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?Not sure which or how many girls were tracked but at least one were. I believe it was one of the Chinese girls. Don't believe any of the Viet girls were caught in the raid that night but I have no information on if any were caught afterwards. If you contacted the girls directly it should be OK. It is very risky if you contacted Judy.
Sound advice, but I don't understand the meaning of an "unregistered weChat account", and what is the advantage of the lack of registration from a security point of view.
Ikks.The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.
If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.
The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.
If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.Thanks, I understand. I was hoping that you had discovered a way to have total anonymity on your We Chat account.
I actually have one WeChat account (established late 2011) that is associated with a SIM / phone number purchased in 2010, and no longer used, and an anonymous email account. So, there is no link to me AFAIK. But I am still cautious!
Ikks.
Which of the girls were they tracking exactly? Were any of them Viets?
Should you be fine if you contacted the girls directly, not through Judy?All the independent girls that were not using the hotline are still free. Though doesn't mean they're safe, maybe police is planning a second wave. Though I assume they knew the girls would start running for the hills the moment Steven disappeared.
The Chinese govt wants everyone to link their sim card to their identity. In fact, it's now the law. The phone number connected to the sim card is used to establish a wechat account. In that manner, the govt always knows who has said what on wechat.
If you establish the wechat acct with a foreign number, or better yet, use a Chinese sim card in someone else's name, that's safer. Some of the 5 star hotels sell sim cards for tourists (as a convenience). Those are a good option.I guess the question at this point is: If you have contacted a sauna via Wechat at anytime in the past, are you in danger? If people who contacted Judy from SNG were in danger, then certainly it means the higher ups are indeed targeting actual clientele, not just the establishments. Does anyone have any stories or info about being apprehended solely based on evidence of being in the contact lists for a sauna manager (or having a chat history with one)?
I cannot imagine they would try to catch everyone who has ever contacted a sauna. That would be hundreds of thousands of people!
TheTrooper21
09-11-17, 12:04
I guess the question at this point is: If you have contacted a sauna via Wechat at anytime in the past, are you in danger? If people who contacted Judy from SNG were in danger, then certainly it means the higher ups are indeed targeting actual clientele, not just the establishments. Does anyone have any stories or info about being apprehended solely based on evidence of being in the contact lists for a sauna manager (or having a chat history with one)?
I cannot imagine they would try to catch everyone who has ever contacted a sauna. That would be hundreds of thousands of people!Agree with you.
Haven't heard of anyone getting apprehended because they're in contact with Judy or other sauna managers. I think to actually charged a person requires harder evidence as even if you commit to a sauna appointment or appointment, it's not enough evidence to prove that you paid for illegal services rendered.
However, if you're actually in a sauna during a raid, there's more circumstantial evidence to charge you. What if you're in the waiting area, for example? Is it illegal to just be in an sauna at all? Is one able to play dumb and say you didn't know what this was & thought you were getting a massage?
TheTrooper21
09-11-17, 12:50
Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.
GL.First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.
However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.
Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.
Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel? Perhaps this assumes that they will go to the same place that you arranged the meeting at? I guess they would need to check the details from Judy's phone and go to your exact hotel that you're staying in today? What if you're not in the same hotel / room anymore? Maybe they can look up information somehow via your phone number?
Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.
Sorry to hear about your ordeal. Glad to know you seem to be okay and able to give us some insight about what happened. I don't quite understand how they caught people from Steven or Judy's wechat acct. Did LE use Judy's acct pretending to be her and entrap people? Or did they just show up at your place of residence and charge you based on things said on wechat?
If this is the case, I don't see Judy or Steven being treated lightly. Considering that they were the organizers, they should be in some serious trouble regardless if they cooperated or not with LE.
{S N I P}Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.Do Chinese Police need proof? And there are also stories of them 'finding' a condom in a waste bin and using that as sufficient evidence, whether it be in a sauna or a hotel room.
Anyway, SNG may have been specifically targeted. I understand Steven had close contact with a very senior GA official. The recent change of guard in Shanghai may have been the trigger for his demise.
Ikks.
First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.
However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.
Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.
Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel?.I agree with this and wanted to add on top of that. I don't think they are targeting the clientele. Like it was said, there's hundreds of thousands of clients. I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl. Before the site went dead, the number of active girls reporting under judy was 14 (Hu Jing, Purple, Baby, Susan, Alisa (R), Pia, Tessa, Baobao, Tina, Daisy, Alia (R), Maria, Kiki, Malena). Though statuses might have changed, and I know Hu Jing is still free and Jessica is in jail. All the independent escort girls are still free as well.
It would be interesting if Boag can tell us of the 14 foreigners who got picked up; which girl they believed got them in jail. Gives a clue as well which girl is likely now in jail.
My guess is is as Boag11 said. They got onto Judy, followed her and her girls for awhile until they had hard evidence all her girls were escorts, also got to Steven & then started arresting them on Aug 31st.
But again, since it's not mid October yet; the police still can have more tricks up their sleeves. I would not do anything in Shanghai right now.
First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.
Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.
Don't apply USA laws to China. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't necessarily work in China. Obviously Judy kept a log or something saying SAMCAN was at the ritz. You have to use your real name because they call the hotel and call the desk and ask to be transferred to SAMCAN's room to ensure you are there. Too many guys have a girl come and don't use their name and are not there after the girl gets there.
If the police have a real name and a date, they can check cameras. I am sure a girl going to your room that was on the SNG Log to the hotel you went to would be enough to close the deal in China.
First, thanks a lot for this report. This was very insightful.
However, I still want to break this down to calm some nerves and clarify as some people might be freaking out.
Given what I read, if you a) Avoid talking to Judy (as that's how some people got lured in by the police) or any other manager, you are partly safe. We all need to do that anyway going forward.
Now, for retroactive activity, you also mentioned that, "If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room" - When you say contact, I think you mean you both contacted and agreed on a meeting. If it's just contact to inquire information, I don't see why it would justify getting detained. Also, how would they find the hotel? Perhaps this assumes that they will go to the same place that you arranged the meeting at? I guess they would need to check the details from Judy's phone and go to your exact hotel that you're staying in today? What if you're not in the same hotel / room anymore? Maybe they can look up information somehow via your phone number?
Even if you agreed on a meeting, they would need proof of illegal activity. Security camera evidence of a woman coming in and out of your room shouldn't be cause but together with a text message confirming a meeting might be enough depending on the contents of the text message. Can't you say you met up and never actually did anything or got a massage? Maybe that's just not convincing enough.For western standards yes, they would need more proof. But apparently not for Shanghai police. They questioned both parties and if inconsistencies arises then you will get more days in detention. As long as they get the statement they want from you or the girl then both will get detained. They also claimed at the beginning if you are truthful you will get a slap on the wrist, 10 days detention was the slap on the wrist. One person was told, if he rejected the girl and she left within 10-15 minutes then the LE wouldn't of bothered with him but since she stayed for much longer they took him in based on that alone.
Fifty Shades
09-12-17, 01:54
Don't apply USA laws to China. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't necessarily work in China. Obviously Judy kept a log or something saying SAMCAN was at the ritz. You have to use your real name because they call the hotel and call the desk and ask to be transferred to SAMCAN's room to ensure you are there. Too many guys have a girl come and don't use their name and are not there after the girl gets there.
If the police have a real name and a date, they can check cameras. I am sure a girl going to your room that was on the SNG Log to the hotel you went to would be enough to close the deal in China.Definitely agree that the international rules of evidence don't apply here. But were they even relevant at all? Question did LE get confessions or admissions of guilt before releasing the people detained? I would be surprised if they didn't. If they got confessions or admissions, there was never a real need to establish a solid trail of evidence. This is the usual LE playbook all around the world. The confessions could then be used against the business operators. The people arrested may have been just supporting actors in a drama involving some bigger fish. The fact that they were only given administrative detention after all that effort also suggests that they were just bit players. Just guessing, of course.
I'm all about mongering while minimizing risk in every way possible.
If using Judy, here's what I do:
- use fake name.
- use untraceable phone no wechat account.
- do not reveal exact address. (I meet the girl on the street on arrival.).
These measures are not foolproof, but they minimize risk. Cops would have to question girl, and she'd have to remember I live in apartment 2301 (or is it 2203?).
Some guys brag to girl about where they work, even give her a business card. Not me. No unnecessary risk.
Member #4505
09-12-17, 07:45
Glad to hear that the independents that were on SNG are still free.
Though even if someone never used Judy's hotline and went to the independents I would still be wary of considering oneself safe. What if the LE is looking to get more of SNG's girls to gather even more evidence?
If Judy's wechat and contacts are in the hands of LE why would they not also go after the freelancers advertising on SNG? I would feel pretty certain the freelancers were in contact with Judy and / or Steve to arrange fees so they could advertise on SNG, or even worse give them a commission.
It would just be more evidence and confessions they can use to build a case against Judy and Steven.
I would stay away from Shanghai if I had any contact with anyone associated with SNG.
This crackdown has proven to be dangerous and especially unpredictable. Seems like some posters, and even Steven on SNG, were certain contacting freelancers would be safe.
Where are they now?
This is China, The LE don't need real evidence to detain you. They just need to have any reason to believe you had something to do with it.
All I'm saying is, prepare for the worst. Over last few years all cities in China have gone through this "sex trade purge" and as far as I can tell the trade never returned in these places.
Be safe and if you have to stay in Shanghai then go for an airbnb or something like that. At least you might not have to register with the local police that way.
Member #4505
09-12-17, 08:27
Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days..Just curious, could you go over in more detail how they apprehended you? What time of the day was it? How much longer after the deed was it?
I am really surprised how naive some people are.
Just to emphasise: The PRC is a one party system police state. Just because Shanghai looks modern and like a global city, it isn't. People her do not enjoy real freedom and privacy, instead, they are under permanent surveillance. If one thing works in the PRC than it is LE. Unfortunately, LE is not so much taking care of real problems but rather focus on some horny guys who need to get a relieve. Nevertheless, as long as you don't have the permission to be jerked off from the very top level, you better do it by yourself.
For western standards yes, they would need more proof. But apparently not for Shanghai police. They questioned both parties and if inconsistencies arises then you will get more days in detention. As long as they get the statement they want from you or the girl then both will get detained. They also claimed at the beginning if you are truthful you will get a slap on the wrist, 10 days detention was the slap on the wrist. One person was told, if he rejected the girl and she left within 10-15 minutes then the LE wouldn't of bothered with him but since she stayed for much longer they took him in based on that alone.LE can keep you up to 15 days as Administrative Detention to question you.
But past that they'll need evidence to charge you in order to keep you for a longer time.
Unless they found evidence (used condom with your DNA / the receiving party), or got you or the other party to admit, they can't charge you.
Very often they'll scam you saying that the other party already admited this, that if you cooperate they'll be more leniant. Some Japanese guy was asked when coming out of a MP what he had done and told that if he said the truth they'd be lenient. He said I just got a massage and HJ there... booom the shop was closed, all girls taken away for 15 days, the jap guy still got 10 days...
Truth is by admitting things you are only incriminating yourself.
It is also true that for mass events like these, they'll rarelly charge you and will use mostly the administrative detention as a standard punishment if its your first offense. And yeah, being 10 to 15 days in jail is already a big punishment and a complicated thing to explain to your employer or wife. Especially if they've been told why you were in jail by the police.
Just curious, could you go over in more detail how they apprehended you? What time of the day was it? How much longer after the deed was it?1 day after the deed, came at 2 am. Used security camera to see the girl coming and leaving and Judy's wechat.
Another question (sorry if it is stupid):
I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime?! Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?
And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?
I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.
What do you think pros?
Another question (sorry if it is stupid):
I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime? Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?
And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?
I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.
What do you think pros? Ich.
Another question (sorry if it is stupid):
I am not interested in Sauna or Barber. I would go to a Bar, mainly to take a drink or two and watch the scene and people. If I will be in a bar like MH or Judy, is this already a crime? Will these bars as well be observed and focused at the moment?
And: if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?
I am serious, I am a greenhorn, I had been once in shanghai, took a girl from MH to hotel and spent wonderful time, Dec 16. I would like to repeat, but now: I am frightened to repeat. She was Viet. I will be back in SH in Nov.
What do you think pros? Ich.There is no such thing as a guarantee that you are safe, however, it's not forbidden date girls.
As I said; the PRC is kind of a police state. If they want to take you in, then you are fucked. Don't be naive, they know exactly how to inquire. Personally, I always stick to the law of the country I stay and never made experiences by doing so. But this Steven will face big trouble, lucky him that the capital penalty for arranging prostitution is no longer applied. But several years in prison up to a life sentence seems realistic if found guilty. Good luck.
I am really surprised how naive some people are.We are all naive in some areas.
Just to emphasise: The PRC is a one party system police state.It is also a 3 faction party, whose factions try to eliminate members of the other factions. There have been instances of planes exploding, PLA naval ships being fired at by other PLA vessels attempting to kill a senior leader, and poisonings. Under Pooh Bear's regime (and he has survived a number of assassination plots), he has used corruption charges to eliminate government officials who support rival factions (over a million have been disciplined in some way).
Just because Shanghai looks modern and like a global city, it isn't. People her do not enjoy real freedom and privacy, instead, they are under permanent surveillance.Just like many countries, but over the past few years, the measures in China have become more draconian and been aided by greedy American corporations willing to do anything that might help them get a bigger slice of the gigantic Chinese pie. For example, American software companies handing over all their source code to the CCP. There are many, many more examples.
If one thing works in the PRC than it is LE. Unfortunately, LE is not so much taking care of real problems but rather focus on some horny guys who need to get a relieve.I have no real criticism of the LE. Their 'focus' is partly determined at the provincial level whose Party Secretary may very well have his own agenda. And ever hear of the "3 Vices Campaign", sometimes referred to as the Great Yanda? Prostitution is only one of those 3 'vices' that is being targeted to cut the cash flow and facilitate corruption charges against Pooh Bear's opponents (mainly the Jiang Zemin Shanghai Faction rather than the China Youth League faction).
The case of SNG is unusual. I witnessed the takedown of the mongering scene in Shenzhen and Dongguan, and read of the demise of other cities in the south. During these periods, I have never heard of police examining an agent's records and days later going to hotels or apartments to detain foreigners for the crime' of having invited a visitor. They probably only needed the hotels' video recordings to verify the room number.
One last thought. Just imagine the mongering scene in China today if Bo Xilai rather than Xi Jinping had been appointed Chairman in 2012!
Ikks.
if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?What will they do? Noone knows.
What can they do? They can follow you and the girl from the bar to the hotel. Ask the hotel security for access to CCTV to discretly determine which room both of you went in. And then wait for the "perfect moment" to break in and arrest the both of you.
Deport the girl and blacklist her visa for 5 years if she's a foreigner.
Is it common? Not that much in Shanghai, more common in Beijing in the past but has been done in the past in Shanghai too back in the expo days and mainly for 3* hotels. In Beijing there were many events shown on TV of Russian WG being followed from the bar to the hotel in 2011 anti yellow fever or however they called it campaign, .
TheTrooper21
09-13-17, 03:54
For sake of clarity on the likelihood of "getting in trouble", the only genuine cases (not speculation) that we've heard of customers getting detained are:
A) During the time the police controlled Judy's phone or trailed some SNL girls (from late August), you contacted Judy or SNL girl, agreed on an arrangement, and went through with the service and you're in a hotel where there is security camera evidence of woman coming in and out of your room.
Appears that you can get detained anywhere from zero to 14 days after the deed. Even longer than that, it's not clear yet.
So far I've yet to hear any real evidence of people getting detained if:
1) You moved to a different location since you did the deed.
2) You arranged a meeting, did the deed, but the hotel did not have security camera evidence.
3) You made inquiries to Judy but didn't arrange a meeting.
4) You arranged a meeting with another manager (not Judy).
5) You arranged a meeting with someone at Judy's, Manhattans, etc.
6) You got a he at a massage parlor that still allows it.
**This is not to say that you can't in trouble if you do the above, but we haven't heard anything concrete yet. If you have, please report it so we can safeguard ourselves.
As others mentioned, it's simply not safe in Shanghai. It's probably best to stay away from everything until things become more clear.
Although Judy / Manhattan's seem safe, I'm concerned that the police has some of those girls as bait. I don't want to scare anybody off, but if the police are continuing to escalate things, then we should expect more tricks.
I checked it out. It's 590 rmb for non members. And there were no extras. But maybe I got unlucky with a nervous provider. Massage wasn't great either. Waste of money and 2 hours.I got a great massage. Worked from fingers to toes. They gave me the member special too. Your math is correct A tad expensive perhaps. But great massage. And really nice girl. I guess ymmv.
I am not an expert on China massage. But I have yet to not get a he with a massage in China. I've gone to probably 15 places and they all provided at least a handjob. At varying prices. They all upsell when you are vulnerable.
Considering the current campaign, I wouldn't be surprised if they were to hit some agencies whom advertise on the internet too (they busted some chinese agencies a few months back, at some point they can aim foreigner oriented ones too). Since they have chinese phone numbers or wechat, how hard can it be for the authorities to listen to these booking requests and bust meetings at hotel rooms?
When you think about it, its very easy to do.I guess this warning from a month ago wasn't so far from the truth after all.
I agree with this and wanted to add on top of that. I don't think they are targeting the clientele. Like it was said, there's hundreds of thousands of clients. I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl. Before the site went dead, the number of active girls reporting under judy was 14 (Hu Jing, Purple, Baby, Susan, Alisa (R), Pia, Tessa, Baobao, Tina, Daisy, Alia (R), Maria, Kiki, Malena). Though statuses might have changed, and I know Hu Jing is still free and Jessica is in jail. All the independent escort girls are still free as well.
It would be interesting if Boag can tell us of the 14 foreigners who got picked up; which girl they believed got them in jail. Gives a clue as well which girl is likely now in jail.
My guess is is as Boag11 said. They got onto Judy, followed her and her girls for awhile until they had hard evidence all her girls were escorts, also got to Steven & then started arresting them on Aug 31st.
But again, since it's not mid October yet; the police still can have more tricks up their sleeves. I would not do anything in Shanghai right now.I won't give you the names of the Chinese girls that were detained because I feel it isn't fair for them. [Deleted by Admin] There were either 5 or 6 of Judy's Chinese girls there and 1 were released for sure and maybe another one but 100% not sure, don't know the reason but I am 100% sure at least one was released.
I think the customers who got picked up this time were 'collateral'. The evidence they took from the hotel camera's I suspect wasn't meant to put the customer in jail, but the escort girl.I don't think that is true. When they picked up me they already had the girl I was with as well as Judy and her laptops and phones. They got the camera for me I am pretty sure.
Fifty Shades
09-14-17, 02:37
I don't think that is true. When they picked up me they already had the girl I was with as well as Judy and her laptops and phones. They got the camera for me I am pretty sure.The admissions of guilt from everyone arrested will likely be used against the people that LE regards as the "kingpins", aka Stephen and Judy. In fact, even Stephen and Judy might not have been the real targets. It could be the officials who were paid off. If the customers arrested were not actually shown the hotel videos, LE may not have even bothered to get them. All LE needed were the admissions of guilt. To get those admissions, they can say anything, including claims of having videos, DNA evidence, surveillance from satellites, etc, and an offer to let everyone off easily if they admit guilt. It would have worked the same way in most cities in the world.
Member #4505
09-14-17, 04:05
Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.
The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.
As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.
GL.Now that you have done the 10 - 15 days detention, will your visa be blacklisted for some time? I thought that was the standard.
Also, how do you know the raids will go on into November? Did the LE tell you?
First off, sorry to hear about your ordeal and thankful for you sharing it with us.
I have a couple of questions if you don't mind. I'm just curious as to where LE picked you up from. Is it from the current hotel you are staying in? Is it the same hotel where you did the deed? While you were detained, did they go through your phone?
I don't think the johns were collateral if LE went out of their way to pick up the johns and detain them. To be honest, I'm a bit worried considering that I've had previous conversations with saunas on wechat and qq. Granted, they don't have my addy but knowing I exist as a client gives me the chills.
Who was the real target?
The admissions of guilt from everyone arrested will likely be used against the people that LE regards as the "kingpins", aka Stephen and Judy. In fact, even Stephen and Judy might not have been the real targets. It could be the officials who were paid off. {S N I P} I have just one question: "How may other Shanghai escort agencies were targeted and their websites shut down in the past few weeks?" I think that I know the answer!
BTW Steven has posted on ISG that he had a close 'friend' who was high up in the force, and, that he also had an escape plan. Here's hoping!
Ikks.
Another question (sorry if it is stupid):
if I talk to a girl there and we will go to my hotel, what will the hotel do? Block me and her? Call police? And will they break my door and catch me or what may happen?
What do you think pros?A few years ago, I brought a girl to my hotel. She had been to the same Hotel earlier that evening and registered to another guest. (which I did not know). The hotel told me she was already registered to another room. If I chose to register and bring her to my room, they were required to call the police. Luckily they told me, I am sure there was no need for them to tell me. They may have actually been doing something they shouldn't do as they were keeping me out of trouble. I can imagine under current conditions, they would not want to be involved and may call the cops after I headed to my room with her.
Arizona123
09-14-17, 11:03
For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:
1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.
2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.
3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.
4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.
But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.
Do you think the situation will become as in good old times again after the see meeting?
How situation may be in November, more relaxing?
This question is addressed to members who made this experience of crackdowns in the past already.
Midwestern
09-14-17, 13:10
For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:
1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.
2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.
3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.
4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.
But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.If they got Steven, who was working an excort website, then why not Rain? And besides, Rain is mentally unstable. If you contact her, then I suggest that you don't use a registered number or identifying email or anything that can be traced back to you. She has no problem outing you.
If they got Steven, who was working an excort website, then why not Rain? And besides, Rain is mentally unstable. If you contact her, then I suggest that you don't use a registered number or identifying email or anything that can be traced back to you. She has no problem outing you.Got any more information about rain outing someone? PM me if you want.
Jude Bright
09-14-17, 17:07
For the diehards who absolutely have to have some action, here are a few options other than Manhattan and Judy's:
1. Take a short trip to neighboring cities, Suzhou, Nantong, Nanjing, Hangzhou, etc. Most of the sauna girls have left Shanghai either gone home or to another city to find similar work. Even the pimps have done the same, a couple of QQ groups now post for clubs in Nanjing.
2. If you know any of the pimps from your previous visits, contact them and ask if they provide take out services. Some pimps have remained behind to provide for this. Expect prices starting at 1200.
3. Independents. Those who had been independents all along and those from saunas who are now independents due to the nature of the crackdown. If you'd been one of those who keep in contact with the girls after you see them at the saunas, congratulations.
4. Rain. The website is still up. But between Rain's attitude and the LE's cracking my balls, I can't decide which one I would rather deal with.
But guys, I would seriously stay low now. I would not recommend any of the above other than a few regular independents that have become friends over the years. Hopefully things will blow over after the C meeting.Just got a few messages on Wechat that some of the sauna open recently. Do not know if it is true. Just FYI. You may check you if you still has the Wechat connection.
Jb.
It was mentioned a couple of months back in this thread. You can search.
Got any more information about rain outing someone? PM me if you want.
I would proceed with extreme caution. As others have mentioned, these saunas are probably reopening because they need the money, not because it's safe again.
Just got a few messages on Wechat that some of the sauna open recently. Do not know if it is true. Just FYI. You may check you if you still has the Wechat connection.
Jb.
It was mentioned a couple of months back in this thread. You can search.Yes I've read the posts about it but since I was not in shanghai during that time and had been deleted by Rain I don't know the details. But only reason I ask is because I have a weird feeling it might be me LOL.
On The Side
09-15-17, 21:50
I'm going to be in China in November. Will be staying at either the Shangri-La or the Fairmont Peace Hotel. Are these hotels OK for me to bring in "guests"?
What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.
I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.
I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.
They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money.
Personally, I think it's wrong for Manhattan to take advantage of the girls during this scary time, and I don't want to have to pay more or want the girls to make less than they're worth.
Take it FWIW, but my regulars are all now at Judy's. I believe them and doesn't hurt to check out the scene at Judy's to confirm the move. If you're a senior member and want some connects, PM me.
What do you think, how safe are the incalls at Craigslist and similar pages at these times?
Thanks.
What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.
I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.
PM me.Can anyone else confirm this? This would make no sense. A good part (if not all) of Manhattan draw is the girls. With JUdy's 2 blocks away, it would be obvious for the girls to go down the street.
Personally, I have always preferred (the old) Judy's. The girls were more fun and seemed less focused on money. The last time I went in March however, it seemed the girls at Judy's were on average a notch below Manhattans. I still found most of my gems there and brought them home.
Hi,
This is my first time traveling to Shanghai, so I do not know the situation around Shanghai right now. I was wondering how safe is it to use one of the Classified Ad link to call an escort (links like http://www.shanghai-escorts.com/ or http://www.escort-shanghai.org/index.php/contact). If they are not safe with the police raidings, are there any alternatives?
Thanks.
What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.
I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.
I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.
They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money..I prefer the layout of Judy's and its vibe. However, always thought that there is a clear difference between the top tier ladies at Manhattan vs. Judy's in terms of looks. If this evens out, Judy's is actually preferable as the male crowd and servers at Manhattan are more annoying.
Places are close enough such that maybe I'll suck it up and just go between both bars whenever I'm there. Thanks for the intel!
What's up all. I'm not that active on this site. Been jumping in Asia for work for a few years now, but only recently spending more time in Shanghai.
I usually go to Manhattan and got to know some of the ladies. I'm sure you all know many of them are very sweet and provide good service. I'm passing on some information from some of the Manhattan ladies because I want to support them, and update the forum on where a large group of the girls are going to be.
I was asked by a large group of ladies from Manhattan to let the forum know that they are moving to Judy's. They are complaining about how Manhattan has been mistreating them (randomly kick out girls; use force on them; make them stand in the rain) and recently started demanding the girls pay 500 - 1000 rmb every night or they don't let them in the bar.
They could deal with the mistreatment, because they were able to make money, but they cannot accept the bar also trying to scam them for money (the girls do not get any money from customers buying drinks, obviously). They're afraid if they do pay, the bar will continue to make them pay and keep asking for more money.
Personally, I think it's wrong for Manhattan to take advantage of the girls during this scary time, and I don't want to have to pay more or want the girls to make less than they're worth.
Take it FWIW, but my regulars are all now at Judy's. I believe them and doesn't hurt to check out the scene at Judy's to confirm the move. If you're a senior member and want some connects, PM me.Can't pm you.
Was in SH one night on the 8/30, already knew about the situation. I was so looking forward to saunas as I had few experiences before when I was living there. So despite the situation, I added a lot of wechat / QQ contacts to see if I can get anything set up. Came across this person saything they are open, so off I went. It was so far, the opposite direction of the disney line and second last stop, so it took me like more than an HR on the subway. The location was like border line just a bit outside of SH so maybe that's why they dare to open.
However it wasn't what I expected, the location was a hotel in a pretty empty building instead of a sauna. I still managed to get my business done. When I was picking the girls, a lot refused me. Later on when I talked to the girl I was with, and learned that police came by earlier, that was why some of the ladies refused to do business. Though the lady said the pimp indicated that the police was searching for drug addict instead, anyway I felt creepy hearing this so I finished my session quick and hopped onto a private cab and make my way back to the hotel.
I had another legit contact of a sauna where my friends were customers, I contacted them and learned that they can offer service if I go to their designated hotel and tell them the girl I want and they'll send it. I didn't go with this because I wanted to be able to pick girls right on the spot. FYI.
Arizona123
09-16-17, 23:25
Can anyone else confirm this? This would make no sense. A good part (if not all) of Manhattan draw is the girls. With JUdy's 2 blocks away, it would be obvious for the girls to go down the street.
Personally, I have always preferred (the old) Judy's. The girls were more fun and seemed less focused on money. The last time I went in March however, it seemed the girls at Judy's were on average a notch below Manhattans. I still found most of my gems there and brought them home.One thing I can confirm is the mistreatment of the girls. During my Manhanttan days (at least two years ago), I had personally seen them throwing girls out. This normally happened when the bar got too crowded, the manager with that short bob haircut would walk around with one of those laser type flashlight and flashed randomly at the girls. Bouncers or bartender types walking behind her would then send the selected girls out the door, sometimes yanking them roughly by the arm.
I spoke with a few of the WG's to find out it happened frequently on a nightly basis. Usually they picked out girls who did not have a drink in their hand or were not hanging out with any customers. There were times when a customer would speak up for a certain girl, this helped. To get around this, the WG's either had to befriend that manager, buy their own drinks, get the customers to buy them drinks, or keep an eye out for "Bobby". Whenever she made her rounds around the bar with a couple of guys behind her, move to the other side of the bar.
No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.
Can't pm you.Sorry, had to renew my annual subscription. PM should be working now.
Arizona123
09-16-17, 23:48
Was in SH one night on the 8/30, already knew about the situation. I was so looking forward to saunas as I had few experiences before when I was living there. So despite the situation, I added a lot of wechat / QQ contacts to see if I can get anything set up. Came across this person saything they are open, so off I went. It was so far, the opposite direction of the disney line and second last stop, so it took me like more than an HR on the subway. The location was like border line just a bit outside of SH so maybe that's why they dare to open.
However it wasn't what I expected, the location was a hotel in a pretty empty building instead of a sauna. I still managed to get my business done. When I was picking the girls, a lot refused me. Later on when I talked to the girl I was with, and learned that police came by earlier, that was why some of the ladies refused to do business. Though the lady said the pimp indicated that the police was searching for drug addict instead, anyway I felt creepy hearing this so I finished my session quick and hopped onto a private cab and make my way back to the hotel.
I had another legit contact of a sauna where my friends were customers, I contacted them and learned that they can offer service if I go to their designated hotel and tell them the girl I want and they'll send it. I didn't go with this because I wanted to be able to pick girls right on the spot. FYI.At this time, any sauna claiming they have reopened are operating in this manner. The saunas are NOT open. They call this Waimai, as in take out service. They rented several rooms or a whole floor in a local cheap hotel and operate out of there. Guys, this is dangerous. Even more risky than going to the saunas themselves.
Haomen, the biggest sauna on Quyang Lu tried this. Moved their operations down the road to a Hanting hotel, they got busted. Videos of this is on the internet. If you want to go this route, get the girls to come to your hotel.
No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.Thanks all for hearing me out.
To answer NRock and Arizona123, I was only shown a newly formed group chat of (at a glance) 20 of the Manhattan girls "boycotting" Manhattan. Their conversation was in Vietnamese, so I don't know all the details of what was said.
Charging the girls is new, and seemed to start about the same time as the city-wide crack down. That's why I said I really don't think it's right for the bar to leverage the current situation to make money off the ladies. The bar knows that there are fewer options available to the ladies to quickly find customers and try to make their minimum quota for the night.
I have personally had chats when some of them were kicked out, and when the entrance fee started. When they were kicked out some of the ladies would still try to wait outside and find help to get in (or sneak in). But if caught then they were again pushed out unless a customer stood up for them. When the fee's started, some of them didn't know what to do and would stand outside for a bit, before giving up and trying someplace else.
The hard part for the ladies is if all the good customers and larger crowd go to Manhattan, then of course that's where they want to be. I told them wherever the good girls go, we will eventually find out and follow. The hard part is getting the word out quick enough, so I agreed to post here.
Some of the ladies have already started to leave Shanghai due to the overall situation. I don't want to see them leave, but it could be safer for them anyway.
Not asking anyone to take my word for it, as Judy's' is just down the street. But, if you are so compelled and are able to spread the word on other sites (especially Chinese since I can't do Chinese), please do so.
Look at it this way too, if you check out Judy's' and the hot ones are there, but not many guys then you have better selection for yourself!
Other option is if you have direct contact or know someone who does, the ladies are usually open to introducing their friends from trusted acquaintances.
One last personal comment, times are tough right now. Be fair and don't waste their time, please. It sucks when my date is late or in a bad mood when she gets to me! Take care of them and they will for sure take care of you (yea I'm a bit of a softy, but we're are more fortunate than them).
No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.Thanks all for hearing me out.
To answer NRock and Arizona123, I was only shown a newly formed group chat of (at a glance) 20 of the Manhattan girls "boycotting" Manhattan. Their conversation was in Vietnamese, so I don't know all the details of what was said.
Charging the girls is new, and seemed to start about the same time as the city-wide crackdown. That's why I said I really don't think it's right for the bar to leverage the current situation to make money off the ladies. The bar knows that there are fewer options available to the ladies to quickly find customers and try to make their minimum quota for the night.
I have personally had chats when some of them were kicked out, and when the entrance fee started. When they were kicked out some of the ladies would still try to wait outside and find help to get in (or sneak in). But if caught then they were again pushed out unless a customer stood up for them. When the fee's started, some of them didn't know what to do and would stand outside for a bit, before giving up and trying someplace else.
The hard part for the ladies is if all the good customers and larger crowd go to Manhattan, then of course that's where they want to be. I told them wherever the good girls go, we will eventually find out and follow. The hard part is getting the word out quick enough, so I agreed to post here.
Some of the ladies have already started to leave Shanghai due to the overall situation. I don't want to see them leave (especially my favs), but it could be safer for them anyway.
Not asking anyone to take my word for it, as Judy's' is just down the street. But, if you are so compelled and are able to spread the word on other sites (especially Chinese since I can't do Chinese), please do so.
Look at it this way too, if you check out Judy's' and the hot ones are there, but not many guys then you have better selection for yourself!
Other option is if you have direct contact or know someone who does, the ladies are usually open to introducing their friends from trusted acquaintances.
One last personal comment, times are tough right now. Be fair and don't waste their time, please. It sucks when my date is late or in a bad mood when she gets to me! Take care of them and they will for sure take care of you (yea I'm a bit of a softy, but we're are more fortunate than them).
At this time, any sauna claiming they have reopened are operating in this manner. The saunas are NOT open. They call this Waimai, as in take out service. They rented several rooms or a whole floor in a local cheap hotel and operate out of there. Guys, this is dangerous. Even more risky than going to the saunas themselves.
Haomen, the biggest sauna on Quyang Lu tried this. Moved their operations down the road to a Hanting hotel, they got busted. Videos of this is on the internet. If you want to go this route, get the girls to come to your hotel.Couldn't agree more. My favorite sauna has been trying to entice me to a hotel, where they say they now operste. It's too risky. Under normal circumstances, odds of getting busted is, what, 1/1000. Now maybe 1/20. I won't take the chance. But I'd have the girl come to me (with certain precautions).
Fifty Shades
09-17-17, 23:43
One thing I can confirm is the mistreatment of the girls. During my Manhanttan days (at least two years ago), I had personally seen them throwing girls out. This normally happened when the bar got too crowded, the manager with that short bob haircut would walk around with one of those laser type flashlight and flashed randomly at the girls. Bouncers or bartender types walking behind her would then send the selected girls out the door, sometimes yanking them roughly by the arm.
I spoke with a few of the WG's to find out it happened frequently on a nightly basis. Usually they picked out girls who did not have a drink in their hand or were not hanging out with any customers. There were times when a customer would speak up for a certain girl, this helped. To get around this, the WG's either had to befriend that manager, buy their own drinks, get the customers to buy them drinks, or keep an eye out for "Bobby". Whenever she made her rounds around the bar with a couple of guys behind her, move to the other side of the bar.
No mention of Manhattan asking for money from the girls, but this was at least two years ago. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they do it now.I don't want to take the bar's side here, but one thing to keep in mind is that there are fire code regulations about the maximum number of people allowed in bars of a given size. You mention that girls were kicked out when the bar was too crowded. If there is a crackdown going on, overcrowding is an easy violation to use for LE to shut down a bar. I know that has been done elsewhere. If the bar is too full, it would not be too surprising if they kicked out the girls without drinks, etc, rather than making a random selection. I don't know if that is what is going on here, but it is a possible factor.
With SNG down and BP / Cracker is my only source, I will try to contact.
Sandy http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/real-sexy-yoga-cosplay-girl-sandy-86-158-2131-5332-fullfil-your-wildest-fantasies/6887648.
Coco http://shanghai.cracker.com/FemaleEscorts/100-genuine-independant-coco-open-clean-discrete-and-waiting-for-you/6887593.
Will check out and report either one of them or both. If someone already have review for both please advise and share some info.
TF.Be aware:
When booking Coco you will not get the girl in the pictures. I unfortunately have some first hand experience. It's not the same girl with some P.S, it's a completely different girl.
As the girl that showed up was still relatively cute and it was late, I still went for it. However 1600 for a mediocre massage, blowjob with cover and only one shot is not really worth it.
Let us know if you had a better experience with Sandy.
TravelFirst81
09-18-17, 06:23
Be aware:
When booking Coco you will not get the girl in the pictures. I unfortunately have some first hand experience. It's not the same girl with some P.S, it's a completely different girl.
As the girl that showed up was still relatively cute and it was late, I still went for it. However 1600 for a mediocre massage, blowjob with cover and only one shot is not really worth it.
Let us know if you had a better experience with Sandy.Actually both are from the same agency Fantasy. Massage. Shanghai. Not same person show up but cute enough. Minimal English, only CBJ. The interesting part is they have The Day offer from their website. 1000 from 7 am to 4 pm but trust me 90% from that time, only for sleeping. It's like to pay to watch them sleeping. Got Tina from that offer, from 9 hrs, she sleep for 6 hrs, from 9 am until 3 pm, 1 hrs for massage. 30 minutes for CBJ. No DATY. No DFK. Nothing. Avoid it.
I personally don't think theres anything wrong with a few of the girls being booted from the bar. It isn't as if they are being physically or mentally abused by the bar. Theres nothing wrong with bar asking non-patrons to leave. Granted, the girls are a portion of what draws the customers in but asking a few floaters to leave is well within reason. It could be because of fire safety reasons just as someone previously mentioned or it could just be because management wants to for no other reasons. Judy's is right down the block, I'm sure the bar has that in mind so I'm sure they know what they are doing.
As for the bar asking the girls for a fee, I wouldn't say its an unjust request. Its probably more a matter of the amount they ask for. Bear in mind that the girls don't have commission for pushing drinks. Whereas the bars across from the Hilton is the opposite. From a different perspective, If I owned a bar and there were WG's using my place to find clientele without my establishment gaining anything aside from regular drink sales, I'd be a bit sour about it. Another possibility of asking the girls for a fee is the recent situation in shanghai and the bar having to give a bigger payoff to local LE for being able to stay open.
From a monger's standpoint, of course I'd rather stay in a place where I can pick and choose from the best of a lot instead of running between bars but thus the life of a horny bastid.
K.
Hi all,
Was in Shanghai last week.
Went to both Manhattan and Judy's. I went on both weekend and weekdays.
Even though MH has more girls I found that girls in Judy's are way hotter.
Just my opinion. Why don't you guys check it out for yourself.
Red.
I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.
I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.
The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.
Dquick.
I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.
I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.
The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.
Dquick.This year, however, the crackdown is a lot worse than before, due to the National Congress of the Communist Party on Oct 18th. It is not guaranteed the situation will return to normal after that. Some have compared what happened in August to the crackdown in Dongguan a few years ago. The only way to know if it is safe or not is if there are more raids after Oct 18th. So to play it safe, I would advise refraining from hobbying until November.
I'll be headed into Shanghai next week. I have been following the forum on the latest with the unfortunate news of SNG. There were some posts saying the girls that ran as SNG Independents (not through Judy) are still out and about. Has anyone contacted and seen any of the SNG Independents since everything went down? I'd be interested in any reports.
I have some contact details but the girl I contacted is responding with single word posts. Her last album post on WC was September 12.
I rarely post here, but I do read up on this forum once in a while. I was more active back when this site was called wsgforum.You are confusing this site with another one.
I live in Shanghai now. The Police conduct a major crackdown every year before National Day, October 1. This crackdown is not just prostitution. The police are cracking down on businesses, coming in and inspecting a businesses liscense and visas of any foriegn employee (especially Filipino employees), checking out street vendors, and even cracking down on taxi drivers.
The point is that this is not a good time for mongering in Shanghai. I would wait until after the first week in October. Things will go hack to normal.You can wait till after the first week of October but its very unlikely things will be back to normal at that time.
Even many veggie massage places are now limited in their operations (either you can't shower or you can only get same sex practicians to massage you or else they're no longer allowed to do oil massage, etc.).
Noone:
A/ has a real idea of the timing at which things will start somehow getting back to normal end of the October meeting (which starts on the 18th) being the most repeated timeframe. But who knows.
B/ is really sure of how "as before" things will really get back to. Only the veggie places are guaranted of a back to normal situation (just don't know when).
Hello Guyz,
I'm coming to Shanghai next week for a business trip & will be staying in Pudong Road area.
I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.
I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?
Looking forward to hear from you.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers. .
Midwestern
09-22-17, 02:53
I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.
.Are you dense? Did you really RTFF? The sauna mongering climate is not good.
I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?
.An independent is not going to replicate a sauna experience. But if you do use an independent and you cannot use your hotel room, then just book a short-time hotel, such as a Hotel 168. It'll only set you back 100 rmb.
Yes, many of them are still in Shanghai and are seeing clients. So are you looking for someone in particular?. These gals are on WC to book dates not to chat with you. So if you want to meet other SNG girls you should just book the one gal you know and ask her to bring a second girl. Then book directly with her and ask her to bring a second girl etc.
I'll be headed into Shanghai next week. I have been following the forum on the latest with the unfortunate news of SNG. There were some posts saying the girls that ran as SNG Independents (not through Judy) are still out and about. Has anyone contacted and seen any of the SNG Independents since everything went down? I'd be interested in any reports.
I have some contact details but the girl I contacted is responding with single word posts. Her last album post on WC was September 12.
AsianLover
09-22-17, 12:58
For your own sake and safety READ the forum. Right now the heat is on in Shanghai. I would not go to a sauna if it were free. LE is all over the place. Oil massages are risky and others have been arrested for using Wechat to set up a P4 P date. The only safe way to play in Shanghai is contact a regular who YOU know or go to a bar like Judy's and pick up a Viet girl. The latter too is not without risk as she may be required to register at your hotel. One never knows where that information goes. If caught, you could get 15 days of detention.
Before you assume such risks, read the posts from Boag11 on or about 9-13. Shanghai right now is a mongering nightmare so proceed with extreme caution. And NEVER go with a tout.
AL.
Hello Guyz,
I'm coming to Shanghai next week for a business trip & will be staying in Pudong Road area.
I'm looking for saunas or spas where I can get a good erotic massage followed by service like nude body to body or BJ or sex at a reasonable rate. But from the recent reports, it seems that the present sauna mongering climate in Shanghai is not good.
I'm ok to try any independents also for similar services. But most probably I will not be able to bring the girl to my hotel room. Can you please guide me with couple of pointers to the places / indes I'm looking for near to Pudong area?
Looking forward to hear from you.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers. .
For those looking for alternatives in Jiangsu this chinese site offers various places (don't ask me for recommandations, I never used it): http://www.jsywsh.com/.
For your own sake and safety READ the forum. Right now the heat is on in Shanghai. I would not go to a sauna if it were free. LE is all over the place. Oil massages are risky and others have been arrested for using Wechat to set up a P4 P date. The only safe way to play in Shanghai is contact a regular who YOU know or go to a bar like Judy's and pick up a Viet girl. The latter too is not without risk as she may be required to register at your hotel. One never knows where that information goes. If caught, you could get 15 days of detention.
Before you assume such risks, read the posts from Boag11 on or about 9-13. Shanghai right now is a mongering nightmare so proceed with extreme caution. And NEVER go with a tout.
AL.Great advice. I would just add don't reveal your real name or hotel room over wechat. Meet them out front, or better yet, lobby of nextdoor hotel. I take them in through the garage so no registration. Not perfect, but I'm all about minimizing risk.
I just got a last minute assignment in Shanghai staying at the Quanji Hotel in the same building as SiYuan hope they are still open for business.
Originally planned to stay at Bodi, but they are apparently fully booked this weekend.
Haven't followed the forum for quite some time, so I guess a lot of my past knowledge is no longer applicable.
OK, I can cobfirm SiYuan is closed with a sign that says waterpipe malfunction.
Will try my luck at Bodi.
Bodi Sauna is also out.
Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.
The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.
Bummer.
I tried my luck again at the Xinghewan Resort and Club.
I have not actually been to. The club but I heard good things as recent as last year.
But neither the hotel or club house staff were helpful claiming the spa is under renovation.
I must not have the secret handshake or password of sorts.
As a general rule I don't like to bring ladies to my hotel so I guess I am out of luck tonight.
Guess I came at a really bad time to stop by Shanghai, at least in Hefei I know establishments that are open for business.
Even though girl selection or service standard is way below what I was accustomed to. In Shanghai.
I tried my luck again at the Xinghewan Resort and Club.
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Guess I came at a really bad time to stop by Shangha....Indeed! Just read the last few pages of this forum.
Bodi Sauna is also out.
Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.
The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.
Bummer.Hum I suggest you reread our posts below because you're just wasting your time.
Shanghai is on total lock down. There are places which open from time to time but going there is like playing the russian roulette because its highly possible you'll end up in detention.
Simon Wagstaff
09-23-17, 14:53
Bodi Sauna is also out.
Now the sauna section is this weird personal movie theater and foot spa, the prices suggest it is legit.
The receptionist emphasized they have no relationship with the former tenant or club management.
Bummer.I posted earlier in the year complete information about the closure of Bodi. I will be going to Shanghai the end of October, and will likely just check out the well known clubs, and see what the action is like. It's too bad because the spas in Shanghai are / were awesome.
I posted earlier in the year complete information about the closure of Bodi. I will be going to Shanghai the end of October, and will likely just check out the well known clubs, and see what the action is like. It's too bad because the spas in Shanghai are / were awesome.Sorry I haven't been following the forum for awhile so I did not know Bodi is gone.
The spas in Shanghai were really fun back then, I will miss these fine establishments.
Heck I even dug up my old membership card from 999 (which I know is gone for awhile) in case I needed to prove to the bouncers at Bodi / SiYuan that I am an old customer.
On a side note, I was approached by pimps / touts at my hotel as well as the Intercontinental right across the street.
Judging by their interaction with the hotel staff, I think it is probably safe to assume the hotel management is probably turning a blind eye.
Heck, one of the touts were actually a 8. 5 in my book that I almost responded with something along the lines of how about you.
But I also heard too many bait and switch turns into extortion stories besides I simply don't feel comfortable bringing working girls to where I stay.
Fellow mongers,
I will be visiting Shanghai for the 1st time in a few weeks. Any advice for incall massage places? I don't know where to look.
Simon Wagstaff
09-24-17, 13:17
It is too bad because Bodi was the best. Nice sauna room, big jacuzzi, provided beers, relaxing atmosphere, and I still have such fond memories of Miss 964.
Will be in Shanghai in a few months. Obviously been tracking the sauna scenario, but I have not seen anyone mention KTVs as part of the crackdown. Should we turn towards that as a viable option (outside of Manhattan / Judy's)?
Not sure how real this video is (or the information above each person): https://www.facebook.com/ShanghaiExpat/videos/1661013780637061/.
But one could easily imagine such facial-recognition technology already in widespread use in China. Do we now need to wear hats and large sunglasses when hobbying?
Will be in Shanghai in a few months. Obviously been tracking the sauna scenario, but I have not seen anyone mention KTVs as part of the crackdown. Should we turn towards that as a viable option (outside of Manhattan / Judy's)?Some KTVs have / had restrictions placed on them by the managers / owners. You will not be allowed to take girls out directly from the establishment and some are / were closing earlier to avoid the crackdown. This news is almost a month old and so I am not sure what the current circumstance is like. My source is someone working at a KTV.
With that said, you can get the girls wechat and work something out on the girls own time.
NorthSouth
09-25-17, 12:59
Puritanism will not last. Good luck on trying to outlaw human desire. Until then, I will take my mongering elsewhere.
Puritanism will not last. Good luck on trying to outlaw human desire. Until then, I will take my mongering elsewhere.Most important is we make decisions based on facts on the ground. In most of the USA, you have an irrationally oppressive legal framework toward prostitution. Let's see where Shanghai is during 2nd half of Oct.
Hello,
I'm in shanghai for one weeks with some friends.
We are looking for a place were we can have a special massage.
Can you advice us.
It seems very hard to find today!
Of course we will do a report after.
Thanks guys!
Presario1626
09-26-17, 09:26
Not sure how real this video is (or the information above each person): https://www.facebook.com/ShanghaiExpat/videos/1661013780637061/.
But one could easily imagine such facial-recognition technology already in widespread use in China. Do we now need to wear hats and large sunglasses when hobbying?It seems to be the recognition system for self driving cars.
Hello,
I'm in shanghai for one weeks with some friends.
We are looking for a place were we can have a special massage.
Can you advice us.
It seems very hard to find today!
Of course we will do a report after.
Thanks guys!OMG! . Read the f. Cking forum, dude, and not only the last page. You then will find out why.
Lev.
What I ask all the time since I've heared from crackdowns and cleaning shanghai, why especially Shanghai? There will be national conference in Oct in Beijing. I might understand if they will clean up Beijing, because all will concentrate on this city. And what is with other famous cities in China are they crackdowned as well in this way?
And is it usual that everything come calmer after the conference and will go back to its usual Shanghai reputation?
It seems to be the recognition system for self driving cars.It is a demo of a system under development for object recognition and tracking. The real-life system would not show all the tags on the screen. Typically used to locate a person or object by a description (such as European monger wearing blue short-sleeved shirt and long black trousers last seen escaping the XXXX sauna etc. Haha). These systems will become increasingly sophisticated over the next couple of years. I was interested to not that the system was even able to identify (belatedly) the person partially obscured by the traffic sign. Not bad!
There are already many systems that recognise suspicious or violent behaviour of people from video surveillance cameras.
Ikks.
What I ask all the time since I've heared from crackdowns and cleaning shanghai, why especially Shanghai? There will be national conference in Oct in Beijing. I might understand if they will clean up Beijing, because all will concentrate on this city. And what is with other famous cities in China are they crackdowned as well in this way?
And is it usual that everything come calmer after the conference and will go back to its usual Shanghai reputation?Here is the conspiracy theory version.
Shanghai traditionally has been Jiang territory.
If Emperor Xi is to solidify his position during the 19th conference, Jiang gang. Will be purged.
Currently the easiest way to nail Jiang appointed officials is over some minor corruption charges.
So the officials in Shanghai won't give him any excuses.
If you know Chinese, any taxi driver csn cone up with this.
Whether its true or not, who knows.
Comrade 2255
09-27-17, 07:25
A double-edged sword for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fq1SEqNT-7c
It is a demo of a system under development for object recognition and tracking. The real-life system would not show all the tags on the screen. Typically used to locate a person or object by a description (such as European monger wearing blue short-sleeved shirt and long black trousers last seen escaping the XXXX sauna etc. Haha). These systems will become increasingly sophisticated over the next couple of years. I was interested to not that the system was even able to identify (belatedly) the person partially obscured by the traffic sign. Not bad!
There are already many systems that recognise suspicious or violent behaviour of people from video surveillance cameras.
Ikks.
OMG! . Read the f. Cking forum, dude, and not only the last page. You then will find out why.
Lev.No, Bobib, I am not rude, rtff is a common expression, here. If you would have read the last 5 - 10 last pages, you probably would have realized that it is not a good time to ask such a question.
Got it?
Lev.
Just was asked by one of my regulars to come and see her in the massage parlor she is working at. Are things improving? I am still not convinced and will stay away for another while.
Lev.
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