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Friendly warning, that place was previously called Sawadika, don't know what it's called now. Used to be well known within the locals. There were previously 2 places side by side. However, it seems that place is the first to get raided whenever there's a crackdown. They don't seem to have any pull with LE considering that its been closed numerous times in the past couple of years. Doesn't help that a precinct is within walking distance. Stay safe.
What's up guys. New to here, my friend introduced me to this website and said I could be helpful. So I am Chinese but came to US long time ago. Go back to Shanghai every summer to visit. Would love to meet new friends from all over the world. I know many places in Shanghai (being hunting since 2009 haha) and thought we can share some infos. Hit me up if you think we can be hunting buddies LOL. No BS. Add me on wechat!
Sorry for being late with this. She was not that good, kind of mechanical. But the word out there she is trying to be the next Beverly Jones. Switched back to my regulars when I was in SH. It just feel more comfortable with my old friends.
Just got back from SH last month and have to go back again in a week. Since I been doing this for close to 20 years, I have my favorites that I hook up with, over 20 nowadays. So I thought, should find some new ones. Searched Badoo and found a cute Viet. Contacted her, got on We Chat and she sent these to entice me, thought I would share. Will report back in two weeks and let you know how it went.
LeonardShelby
06-09-18, 23:49
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I recently stopped in to check out this spa on Sichuan, about a block North of Haining, on the East side of the street. The sign is pretty easy to spot. Took the elevator up to the 4th floor, and was met at the desk by two very smiley ladies. I confirmed that I was interested in an oil massage at the rate of 398, and one led me back to a room to make myself comfortable in. Shortly thereafter a girl came in. She was not too bad looking, and was wearing some heels and a little skirt. She didn't cover me up, and after a rub, and a tease, she proceeded to give a nice oiled ending. I have included shots of the business card that I picked up on the way out. I would probably go back if I am in the neighborhood just to try to scope the talent, but otherwise, I have found better options around town.
Does anyone have knowledge about ladies who appear on www.beautyleg.com.
I have heard that some are high class escorts, I have also heard that the website is a front to advertise escorts, I have also heard that certain girls do escorting but not through the website.
There are some amazing ladies pictured on the website.
Any info is appreciated or if any one knows of escort services who provide this level of escort.
Starting in September my company has me traveling to many asian cities. I am trying to re-learn the ropes.
Thanks.
Stephan7777
06-12-18, 05:52
Hello,
Is Manhattan open?
I staying in New World Hotel. Are there some options around?
Anyways fast forward to yesterday, I hit the Spring Massage on Madang Road. (2nd floor) paid 336 rmb got a pretty hot 20's to early 30's girl, very poor massage (barely 15 minutes), flipped over and since I'm American and don't speak Chinese, she pulled out her phone and translated "is this your first time? In which I replied "no", she asked if I knew that extra's come with tips, we had some back and forth and asked about services. Basically suggested BBBJ / FS. She said sex is not offered. Tried hard to negotiate that, but came up short. In the end I ended up finger banging her while getting a pretty nice handjob. Blew a solid load, she cleaned me up and I was on my way. In the end I paid 300 rmb tip and overall would say it was a decent experience, but basically at NYC prices / standard. Thinking about it now, would most likely go back to check out other providers and see what extras I could negotiate.Yes, I think you're right. Spring is actually a franchise operation and some, including Madang Road are run by Yu Spa. I had stopped going there because they always try to up-sell on the oil before you start. It irritated me that they show you a price for an oil massage and then charge extra for oil. Also Yaan Road, Wanping Road and Maoming Road are under different management and they were the first to start offering expanded services for no extra charge a few years back. Anyway since last year's stormy weather, those days are over, so, a couple of weeks ago I found myself near Madang Road with time on my hands. The girl, number 65, was probably in her 30's. After an excellent massage, things got oily. After the flip, she offered to give a full prostate massage for tips. We ended up settling for 300 (which seems to be fairly standard these days) and boy did she know what she was doing. I got the impression that more was on offer for more tips, but I had reached my budget limit and, er, physical limit too by then.
Definitely planning a return visit soon. I generally like to go with a random choice every time, but I'm thinking #65 will be getting a second chance.
BTW: There's also a Yu Spa on Xietu Road, near Ruijin Road, that doesn't have any Spring branding. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know what services are on offer. Has anyone else tried this one?
From what I've been reading, you guys do know that he is included in the price, right? Whatever tip they are asking for should be more than just fondling. E. G. Stripping fingering, kissing, etc. It's getting to a point where I see everyones visit comes with standard tipping. Tipping for good service is fine, but if you think it's obligatory, then it's not. You go in asking for a special massage. If you don't get anything special, then what's special about it?
BTW: There's also a Yu Spa on Xietu Road, near Ruijin Road, that doesn't have any Spring branding. I haven't tried it yet so I don't know what services are on offer. Has anyone else tried this one?My understanding (from a friend not my personal experience) is that Yu Spa (when branded as Yu Spa, not Spring) is pure veggie service.
OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.
The first one is located in the same building as the McDonald's. This place has been open only about month. Because of the area I was expecting MP with he and option for extras. But I wasn't sure so I just went with the flow. Shower in the room. Good sign. But girl asked me to get changed and in the table with no shower. Bad sign. She was dressed in full veggie MP outfit. Bad sign. She wasn't warm in demeanor at all. Bad sign as she probably wasn't working for tips. Anyway, long story short, I got a very good veggie massage on back, upper butt, legs with no teasing at all, then on the flip got a mechanical HJ with nothing extra at all. Not sure if it was the girl or the place, so I'm willing to try one more time with different girl to see if better experience. Total cost 298 RMB.
The second one is located in the same building as ICBC bank. This one I've been to 10 or 15 times in the past 2 years, but has changed recently and I will just report on last two visits. First visit I got very young girl, she said she was 20 I believe, very hot if you like the traditional Chinese beauty aesthetic. Petite. They have three price tear: 298 for HE, 398 for HE topless, and 598 for HE fully nude. No additional tips for those. They don't provide FS regardless, but you might get additional extras with tips if you try. I haven't yet. So I went for full nude. Average massage, good teasing then all out fondling of the boys and little brother from behind, then on to the flip and her clothes came off. Very sensual tongue, tits, and hair teasing and HJ finish. I got in a little nipple licking, breast and ass touching but limited as she would kinda move out signaling she didn't want it and I'm not the type to pressure. Second visit, 24 year old, petite but as I learned from playing she had implants although small implants. Also I think she was pierced on her nipples but rings were out. Went for topless this time because I was short on money. They all wear pants, so there is no access unless you pay for it. Anyway, this time virtually no massage. She went topless and rubbed her breasts all over my body, kissed my nipples, blew in my ears, and decent HJ. Got to suck and massage her breasts, but to be honest I was dieing to get her pants off. Especially when she rode me cowboy and pressed her pussy on my little brother. Learned my lesson to always bring the cash. 598 is not cheap. You can get FS with QQ girls for about the same and nude at Spring for 200 less, but the convenience, cleanliness, and proximity of this place to home all make this my go to MP.
Note that there is also DTD foot massage place in the area. Pure veggie MP.
OK, if anyone wants more information about this area let me know and I will report on additional locations as I revisit the local circuit.
Maybe a decent option for some, since virtually no chance of trouble with LE. But still: None of them seems to look anywhere near as hot or as young as their photos, so there's the inevitable letdown as you enter the apartment. The tight tummy becomes flabby, the gorgeous face becomes homely. I never tried the expensive ones (1,500-2,000) since you can get near-model quality at a sauna for that price. Why not take advantage of a sauna keeping their girls in line? The ones I tried tended to be about 600.
I still prefer sauna for high-end, Manhattan for mid-range and freebies for the occasional adventure, as I like to select myself. I still occasionally pop into massage parlors for low-end, but just on a lark. However, with qq's, you show up after a 45-min trek and have little choice but to do the deed with a 5.
Thanks to all the brothers intel, any info on options near the Bund and Peoples Park area?
Thanks.
Midwestern
06-14-18, 01:25
My understanding (from a friend not my personal experience) is that Yu Spa (when branded as Yu Spa, not Spring) is pure veggie service.The Yu Spa on 585 Jianging offers the same 336 massage with he.
Midwestern
06-14-18, 01:30
From what I've been reading, you guys do know that he is included in the price, right? Whatever tip they are asking for should be more than just fondling. E. G. Stripping fingering, kissing, etc. It's getting to a point where I see everyones visit comes with standard tipping. Tipping for good service is fine, but if you think it's obligatory, then it's not. You go in asking for a special massage. If you don't get anything special, then what's special about it?I agree. Some of the tipping at Spring / Yu that's been reported lately is too high unless they are getting extras beyond he. I tip 200 and the girls get completely naked and offer GFE with FIV, DATY, DFK, some BBBJ, etc. And 200 must be a decent tip because they message me on WeChat every couple of weeks asking me when I am returning, and even offering to come in before their shift to see me. But these girls know I'm a regular, so maybe that's why I get treated well for 200.
PartyFriend
06-14-18, 06:48
Oh am I glad to read this report.
I work in that area and, sometimes, have a couple of hours to kill or wish to have a more, er, diversified lunch diet.
So, thank you Vermonter and yes, I am interested in getting more insight on that area.
Just a quick location question. I looked at Maps and there are mC Donald's and ICBC together both east and west of the new Jiamin elevated highway. Which one is the location you refer to?
OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.
PartyFriend
06-14-18, 08:31
I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.
Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.
The MP is in operation.
This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.
I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.
Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.
No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.
#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.
Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.
At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went. Although she told me that FS was not on offer in the MP.
Not sure she would do that with all, I felt there was some kind of connection.
Action was nice and tight, enthusiastic and wet.
Happily left a nice tip.
Will definitely return.
Oh am I glad to read this report.
I work in that area and, sometimes, have a couple of hours to kill or wish to have a more, er, diversified lunch diet.
So, thank you Vermonter and yes, I am interested in getting more insight on that area.
Just a quick location question. I looked at Maps and there are mC Donald's and ICBC together both east and west of the new Jiamin elevated highway. Which one is the location you refer to?No problem. My pleasure to report! I'm talking about west side of Jaimie Hwy. After passing under the highway coming from Xinzhuang, you will find theses MPs and some others on the right side of Xinsong road all the way up until you get to the new mall. Please report if you try.
Definitely planning a return visit soon. I generally like to go with a random choice every time, but I'm thinking #65 will be getting a second chance.I went for the return visit today to Madang Lu, ready to ask for #65. Unfortunately only veggie menu is available. Not sure if that's because of predicted stormy weather or just the usual June jitters running over a bit longer this year. I didn't take them up on the veggie offer. Instead, I headed to Honolulu on Taikang Lu. This place is more expensive because of its tourist location, but it's quite up-market and clean. It also managed to keep providing at least some service during the rocky period last year. Today, however, I was led down a different corridor to an unpleasant room away from the standard rooms with no shower. There were two massage tables pushed together suggesting that there were no mis-apprehensions about what was expected to happen. I decided it was probably wise to make my excuses and leave.
Midwestern
06-15-18, 08:33
I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.
Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.
The MP is in operation.
This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.
I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.
Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.
No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.
#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.
Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.
At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went. Although she told me that FS was not on offer in the MP.
Not sure she would do that with all, I felt there was some kind of connection.
Action was nice and tight, enthusiastic and wet.
Happily left a nice tip.
Will definitely return.You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? This place is the epitome of YMMV. One guy said he got a BBBJ with CIM finish from a young provider. I went and got a very good he with and without tip from two different older gals with huge jugs. Then someone angrily posted that this place was a waste of time, and got no extras. And from everyone's description of the place, I know we are all talking about the same place.
How much did you tip for FS? Can't be much. They are old fatties, but for 500 it would be worthwhile and fun. I like huge tits on fatties every once in a while.
Good to hear the renovation is done. I went a few weeks ago and it was closed because of the renovation.
I returned a few times to the MP on Huashan lu.
Not easy to find nowadays as the building is being renovated from the outside.
The MP is in operation.
This time I let the lottery play and was serviced by a older mature girl, mid 30's. I am not in my prime myself, so I usually am not that picky. Besides, I like it when there is a little bit more meat on the bone.
I took the 60 min oil msg for 298.
Masseuses are in uniformed veggie outfit.
No shower in room but there is one on the 2 the floor.
#6, is a brunette with very long hair, smiley and soft. Not that pretty but a nice see cup and firm bum.
Started with ok massage with lots of teasing on the bottom part. Then after flip, started with very good HJ, I tried to access under uniform and she obliged. Ended up sucking her meaty hard nipples with a hand between her legs.
At one point, I intended to better grab the breasts and seated on the table. She understood my intent differently and took off her pants completely, fished out a condom and there we went.Yep, which is the exact address of Huashan road? I work nearby and I would like to pay a courtesy visit.
PartyFriend
06-15-18, 09:23
You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? That's right. Been there about 10 times. Never had a bad experience.
I tipped 500, yes.
You feel that management is not too keen on having other stuff than he going on as there is some kind of tension when there is noise in the corridor.
The member who reported a bad experience clearly was in a room on the ground floor, which may be a bit too exposed for anything else than vegggie. Lesson: always ask for an upstairs room.
Anyone has an address to recommend around Gubei or Hongmei Lu. Place was decimated, not sure it is waking up from the ashes. (I mean, other than spring close to Carrefour.).
I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.
I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.
The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.
I didn't really visit any massage parlour because well I didn't expect much from them. Since the government is coming hard on this, I don't want to take any risks. However after seeing so many good reviews I might reconsider.
So back to the qq girls. For those who wished to give it a try and want to know how do you communicate if you don't understand Chinese?
First is the greeting.
The usual Hi / ni hao.
They will usually reply the Hi or just get straight to the point. Whereby they will list out their usual services that they will provide and how much for a pop or shot. Usually between 300-600/ p.
If you are the long stamina person and wished to know how much it is for 2 shot or pp.
May I know how much will it cost for 2 shots.
Next is finding out their address. Some girls might give it to you after sharing their pricing and services.
For those that doesn't.
Where are you staying?
They will give you the address and you can just copy and paste it in Google map. It is better to use Google map to navigate if you are using the public transport. If you are using didi, copy and paste the address. If you are tskubg the cab, showed the driver the address.
Next is booking a slot.
Let say you wanted to book a slot at 6 pm.
Will you be available at 6 pm?
Hit me up if you need any help. You can add me on wechat too.
Midwestern
06-16-18, 05:28
I went for the return visit today to Madang Lu, ready to ask for #65. Unfortunately only veggie menu is available. Not sure if that's because of predicted stormy weather or just the usual June jitters running over a bit longer this year. I didn't take them up on the veggie offer. Instead, I headed to Honolulu on Taikang Lu. This place is more expensive because of its tourist location, but it's quite up-market and clean. It also managed to keep providing at least some service during the rocky period last year. Today, however, I was led down a different corridor to an unpleasant room away from the standard rooms with no shower. There were two massage tables pushed together suggesting that there were no mis-apprehensions about what was expected to happen. I decided it was probably wise to make my excuses and leave.This place has always been cautious. The first time I went, I asked for the 336 oil massage. The front desk girl then ushered me into a room and asked me what I really wanted and I said a happy massage and she said it was not available. So I said okay I'll leave. Then she said it is available. I got a decent provider and I asked her why I was initially denied the 336 massage and she said they don't like strangers asking for 336 option these days. So I added her on WeChat and now I just book with her directly. The only crappy thing about this place is the extra charge for the oil.
Belated report.
Been trying more QQ girls. Ran into an interesting situation. Two girls were sharing a 2 BR apartment on short term lease. There was another guy there being serviced, so I just kind of sat around while the other duo finish their shower routine. Nothing like awkward silence. Session was good, and the girl (cost 500 p) was accommodating. Tried to book her the day after, but she took that day off, suggested her room-mate. Ironically, the room-mate cost 700 p, and IMO, was worse looking than the 500 p girl. I swear the only thing locals care about is boob size, height, and anime face.
And some people are asking if the girls in the ads are the actual girls? Yes they are, but they wear makeup plus photoshop magic. For example, that 500 p girl I saw above, I was only 50% sure it was the girl in the pics. Only AFTER I saw the tattoo on her ankle in the pics and in person, was I like. Holy shit. That IS the same person.
I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.
I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.
The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.
.I do saunas because of the hot 19 year old's. But yeah, higher risk and higher prices. Can't find that on qq.
Hopefully, things will normalize again. I'm paying 2200 for what I paid 1100 a year ago.
Midwestern
06-17-18, 11:14
I have known of this forum for quite some time but never really perused through it much.
I have been in Shanghai for half a year and mostly uses the qq and wechat app to contact with the wl. Those wl.
The reason why I didn't always opt for the sauna, was because of its exorbitant pricing which can range from 1298 for a lower rank to about 4998 for the s class. Which to me is crazy, especially when the government is scrutinizing them. I do have some sauna's manager wechat contact, but I must warned all of you that right now there is not that many sauna that allows T-stage selection. But rather it is incall to their hotel, after you have told them which girls you like from the photo album that they shared.
I didn't really visit any massage parlour because well I didn't expect much from them. Since the government is coming hard on this, I don't want to take any risks. However after seeing so many good reviews I might reconsider.
So back to the qq girls. For those who wished to give it a try and want to know how do you communicate if you don't understand Chinese?
First is the greeting.
The usual Hi / ni hao.
They will usually reply the Hi or just get straight to the point. Whereby they will list out their usual services that they will provide and how much for a pop or shot. Usually between 300-600/ p.
If you are the long stamina person and wished to know how much it is for 2 shot or pp.
May I know how much will it cost for 2 shots.
Next is finding out their address. Some girls might give it to you after sharing their pricing and services.
For those that doesn't.
Where are you staying?
They will give you the address and you can just copy and paste it in Google map. It is better to use Google map to navigate if you are using the public transport. If you are using didi, copy and paste the address. If you are tskubg the cab, showed the driver the address.
Next is booking a slot.
Let say you wanted to book a slot at 6 pm.
Will you be available at 6 pm?
Hit me up if you need any help. You can add me on wechat too.What is your wechat ID? Anyone on this forum who cannot read / speak Chinese try these QQ girls? For me, when I go to the websites, I just don't know where to begin, as everything is in Chinese. I am surprised someone hasnt rounded up a bunch of them and start an outcall agency. Rumor has it that this is partially how Angels, Lilys, and Kittys (in Beijing) found a lot of their girls.
All For Bb
06-17-18, 13:32
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I have used K-TV girls a lot for overnight fuck, 2500 yuan (about US $400), about 9:00 pm to 9:00 am, unlimited sex. Many times, I can persuade girls to let me fuck without comdom, if they are young and looked clean.
They usually do one man per night, not like MP, many man a day. Many of them are college students, or part-time job at night. Age from 18-22, sometime a little bit younger, sometime a little bit older, but all are good looking with great figures. What do you think about this deal?"Lookiing clean" is a weird concept for someone as you say whom has uncovered sexual intercourse with different men each day.
Paying 2500 RMB to catch some of the worse STDs is not my concept of a good deal since you ask.
Soooo. Long story short.
I went to the camera market on Luban Road / Xietu Road. To take the subway, I crossed the street to the south sidewalk of Xietu Road right across a big 'Lianhua' supermarket of some sort.
I spotted a massage place called 'Aroma spa' right next to a compound. The girl standing at the door made eye contact and smiled at me. I don't trust smiles like that, so I decided to further investigate in the matter.
Good massage for 358 includes HE, all-you-can-touch for 200 tip, and I heard '500' gets you FS. Didn't go for that tho. I had two pops. One laying down on my chest with a weird prostate-massage style thing, and another one with an outstanding handjob. The girl's number was sixty-something I believe. I spotted other good looking girls around. Most of them seem young, and wearing pretty decent makeup. They all use uniforms but they can be removed fast.
I'll come back next weekend. This place is far from Jing'an.
(I mean, other than spring close to Carrefour.).I've been looking for the Spring near Gubei CF for the last two years. Where IS it??
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PartyFriend
06-18-18, 01:32
I've been looking for the Spring near Gubei CF for the last two years. Where IS it??It is on Wanke Plaza, which is 200 m down from CF on Shuisheng lu, on the right, at the level of the crossing with Huanjincheng lu.
Facing the plaza (U shaped buildings with open space in the middle), Spring is on the second floor of the building located at the left hand side. Entry is at the far end of the building, on the corner. There is usually a guard sitting in the entrance.
Service at that place is consistently good. However, since the crack-down, girls wear pants and limit themselves to HJ, but it all depends on your charm or negotiation skills. FS doesn't seem to be on the menu anymore through.
If you go, please report. (If you don't mind, please share the girl's nr.
All For Bb
06-18-18, 03:45
"Lookiing clean" is a weird concept for someone as you say whom has uncovered sexual intercourse with different men each day.
Paying 2500 RMB to catch some of the worse STDs is not my concept of a good deal since you ask.Correct what I said. I took those just into the business: students, office ladies who make extra money during the weekend night. Also I asked them to take the HIV / STD test before doing BB sex. I counted over 100 such girls already (bb sex). I tested negative always so far.
Beijing4987
06-18-18, 04:07
Has anybody been by this place recently? I was wondering if #18 has slimmed down.
Thats interesting because I had reported here a MP on Beijing road / shaanxi road that had been left opened during the big crack down for the Beijing summit last year. They were still running 2 or 3 weeks ago.
Passing by this week, I noticed that the signs were gone and the lights were off. Not sure if they went low profile or permanantly closed as I rarely went there.I'm pretty sure it's the Beijing Lu / Shaanxi Lu place that was trashed. I went to visit in late April. There was no door, just a curtain, and smashed glass everywhere. I pulled aside the curtain and peeked inside: it really was a mess. I hope the girls came out of it alright. They were a nice bunch (unfortunately I didn't have any of their WeChat contact details).
Correct what I said. I took those just into the business: students, office ladies who make extra money during the weekend night. Also I asked them to take the HIV / STD test before doing BB sex. I counted over 100 such girls already (bb sex). I tested negative always so far.Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?
First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.
So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.
PlaceKicker
06-18-18, 08:26
A place in Changning somewhat near the zoo, 1979 Hami Road with closest major road being Hongqiao. No shower in room, but didn't matter as much when it seemed to be fully clothed rubdown, or at least it was with the one I got. Think was #2. She wasn't really my cup of tea but for not knowing what else to do just when with it, pretty obviously wasn't any good at massage. Within 10 nondescript minutes or so was asking if I wanted to add 100 for he or 200 for BJ; couldn't abide by a continuing hour of this monotonous veg and didn't get the feeling she'd be much better with a BJ, so went the middle route. Was slightly awkward in that it was still clothed at this point, unzipping just enough to get the job done. Similarly she pulled up shirt just enough to grope, which continued till the end. Think it started at 168 but could've been 158/178/188. Somehow blanking on the middle digit.
Not exactly the most amazing experience, but not sure of any other places in the area that offers anything similar. Might be possible to get better mileage, this time just didn't feel like the vibe was there.
OK so there may be limited folks that would be in this area of shanghai on this forum, but I thought I would post just in case there are some. Just over the line between Minhang and Songjiang on Xinsong Road (officially part of Xinqiao qu) are a bunch of MPs. Now a number I visited before last years windy season and things have changed since then so I will only report on the ones that I visited recently.
The first one is located in the same building as the McDonald's. This place has been open only about month. Because of the area I was expecting MP with he and option for extras. But I wasn't sure so I just went with the flow. Shower in the room. Good sign. But girl asked me to get changed and in the table with no shower. Bad sign. She was dressed in full veggie MP outfit. Bad sign. She wasn't warm in demeanor at all. Bad sign as she probably wasn't working for tips. Anyway, long story short, I got a very good veggie massage on back, upper butt, legs with no teasing at all, then on the flip got a mechanical HJ with nothing extra at all. Not sure if it was the girl or the place, so I'm willing to try one more time with different girl to see if better experience. Total cost 298 RMB. OK, so had the day off today and got the itch. Decided to go back to this place to address my curiosity if their was anything better available. It seems like they may have different level of girls service for those working the later shift (starting at 1:30 pm) as when I asked for a better girl / more service he had me wait 45 min till the shift started. I got 26 year old attractive no. 89. This time went for the 398 rmb session, which despite my first visit info was not an extended 90 min session, but rather topless tits massage. The massage itself was poor, but I appreciated the titties caressing my whole body and she had magic touch for little brother. There was no touching from my part. I just got the vibe that it wasn't in the cards and didn't feel like asking.
Please report if you try this place out and have a different experience.
All For Bb
06-18-18, 10:15
Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?
First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.
So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an urine infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.
All For Bb
06-18-18, 10:53
Wait. So you go to a KTV, pick a girl, take them out, persuade them to go bareback, then ask them to go get a blood test, wait for the report, then do the deed?
First of all, the hot girls in Shanghai KTV's usually start work AT 9 pm. They tend to try to stay as late as possible before agreeing to go out. So starting at 9 pm is a stretch. As for 2500 for being the case, I would say that's a feasible amount. What you didn't mention is how much you spent at the KTV. Renting a room comes with a minimum. As we all know, Shanghai isn't cheap. If you are going to say you sat in the public bar area, mamasans refrain from accommodating those clients with girls to go out with, especially at 9 pm. Perhaps, you tipped the mamasan? Then that, would cost a few bills as well.
So what I'm saying basically is that you can't just go in a KTV, pick a hot girl, drop 2500, expect a girl to leave at 9, and stay for 12 hours. This isn't dongguan of yesteryear.I fact, I did anal sex with many of these young KTV girls, same price. I guess, because they like me too, they call me "Gao, Fu, Shuai", means "tall, rich, good looking"?
Midwestern
06-18-18, 14:45
This week is very windy in Shanghai.
Stay safe!Has the wind died down? I was on a business trip and was away the past few weeks. I am back now and itching to hit the MPs for he, and meet up with some outcall gals at ST hotels. Thanks.
I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.Care to share how? Or does it require you to be in 'in crowd'? I mean, I'd like to pick a girl from line up to just take home.
KTV usually been a money / time wasting experience for me.
I spotted a massage place called 'Aroma spa' right next to a compound. The girl standing at the door made eye contact and smiled at me. I don't trust smiles like that, so I decided to further investigate in the matter.Thanks for the report. I've passed that place a few times but always thought it might be veggie only. Must check it out the next time I'm in the area.
OK, so had the day off today and got the itch. Decided to go back to this place to address my curiosity if their was anything better available. It seems like they may have different level of girls service for those working the later shift (starting at 1:30 pm) as when I asked for a better girl / more service he had me wait 45 min till the shift started. I got 26 year old attractive no. 89. This time went for the 398 rmb session, which despite my first visit info was not an extended 90 min session, but rather topless tits massage. The massage itself was poor, but I appreciated the titties caressing my whole body and she had magic touch for little brother. There was no touching from my part. I just got the vibe that it wasn't in the cards and didn't feel like asking.
Please report if you try this place out and have a different experience.If it's topless, tits touching is absolutely included. No need to negotiate.
Playboy2000
06-19-18, 13:42
This is great stuff. Would love to see part 2.
Any info about history of saunas, freebies, KTVs?
Part I:
I've been dealing with Shanghai and the "scene" for over 20 years. I first went to Shanghai in 1998 and used to hang out with a lot of guys who have since come and gone in the original location of the current incarnation of Manhattan which was located on Julu Lu. It used to be a very, very small dive bar along with a bunch of other dive bars on Julu that was managed by a young Lucy, a chick named Angel and of course a bunch of Chinese hookers. During those days I wasn't very interested in picking up hookers in any of those bars because cheap or free fine pieces of ass could be found in almost anyplace around Shanghai including the original Paulaner, Bat's Bar in Pudong and old disco called MGM and a few other places like Judy's on Maoming, DKD etc. Those were the wild and crazy days of Shanghai where the girls were cheap and sometimes just wanted to hookup with a foreigner. You could get a girl to go home with you on Friday, pay her and then she'd stay the rest of the weekend, hang out and fuck without asking for anything more. It was a fun time and most expats were pretty friendly and easy to get along with. Now, the bars are full of pretentious people from all walks of life including expats and Chinese. I've known Lucy on a personal basis for over 20 years as well and she has always treated me very well. She knows her stuff. Manhattan moved to Maoming a few short years after I arrived in Shanghai and the bar was still a hopping good place. That was when the bar's girls started to change and went through many changes and nationalities. It was also located across the street from DKD, Judy's and the original Blue Frog. First came the Chinese, mostly non-local provincial types but good looking and a lot of fun, next came the Mongolians who were very good looking and super fun but after getting drunk they'd start fist fights and brawls amongst themselves and go as far as ripping each other's clothes off while Lucy and her team were trying to pull them apart. Next the Filipinos moved in, some of the girls you still see in the bar are from that era, yes don't let the makeup fool you. Along with the Fils came the Russians. A bit more friendly back then and not yet spoiled by the Chinese because they didn't have money or an ounce of class back then. After that, the Thais started moving in and were in competition with the Fils. At the time is was probably 50/50 in terms of pussy balance. That scene lasted quite a while until the government decided to turn a great bar street into a boring park and theater. Manhattan and Judy's then moved over to. (more to come in Part II).
I am the regular to the managers, so indeed, just go and pick-up from the line-up. No need to tip the manager, no room costs, since she / he will get commission from the girl next day. I usually go at 8:30 pm, and have a girl I picked in my arm to leave before 9:00, my hotel just cross the street. They stay between-12 hours. The BB sex usually start next day after they send me the test results by wechat. Sometime I did it first, and ask them to test next day. Alway come negative. Never catch anything myself, even an [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) infection type of STD. I did over 100 (113 exactly). The major reason is I pick-up student / office lady type.Posted a year ago:
Any place provide anal service? Bareback sex?
You surelly did catch up within a year and 3 months. 1 girl every 3 or 4 days whom accepts BBFS from you. Many of which also accept anal sex from you...
I can understand some people feel you're BSing... I hope for your health and these girls health you are indeed BSing...
All For Bb
06-20-18, 05:38
Posted a year ago:
You surelly did catch up within a year and 3 months. 1 girl every 3 or 4 days whom accepts BBFS from you. Many of which also accept anal sex from you...
I can understand some people feel you're BSing... I hope for your health and these girls health you are indeed BSing...I don't understand meaning of the word BSing. English is not my native language.
I tested negative all the time. Don't worry. I can tell you other numbers you may think I am BSing, although I don't know exact meaning of this word.
Total girls I have fucked in my life to date (not count repeat, e. G. , repeat 10 times count only one): 3362;.
Total BBFS: 113.
Total anal sex: 42.
I travel all over the world. This is not the number I did in Shanghai only, most was done in FKK. There is no need to BSing at all here. Of course, I am proud of my achievements on this besides other achievements I can proud of, that's irrelevant to this site.
PartyFriend
06-20-18, 10:25
A place in Changning somewhat near the zoo, 1979 Hami Road with closest major road being Hongqiao. No shower in room, but didn't matter as much when it seemed to be fully clothed rubdown, or at least it was with the one I got. Think was #2. She wasn't really my cup of tea but for not knowing what else to do just when with it, pretty obviously wasn't any good at massage. Within 10 nondescript minutes or so was asking if I wanted to add 100 for he or 200 for BJ; couldn't abide by a continuing hour of this monotonous veg and didn't get the feeling she'd be much better with a BJ, so went the middle route. Was slightly awkward in that it was still clothed at this point, unzipping just enough to get the job done. Similarly she pulled up shirt just enough to grope, which continued till the end. Think it started at 168 but could've been 158/178/188. Somehow blanking on the middle digit.
Not exactly the most amazing experience, but not sure of any other places in the area that offers anything similar. Might be possible to get better mileage, this time just didn't feel like the vibe was there.I've tried this place too.
Fully clothed in little booth with door ajar.
10 minutes of tickling and then move downwards.
In normal conditions, that would have been a terrible experience but. The girl was a bit tipsy and great fun. And, although not fat, had a soft body with very big boobs (I mean, for a Chinese). Which I like.
I even had the privilege of a titjob, which is rare (for obvious reasons) in this part of the world.
Wandering hands accepted but somewhat limited to dry areas.
Damage was reasonable 200 + 100.
Better service is available not too far from there. There is a Spring MP about 1,5 km north, on the corner of Xianxia and Pingtang, which has been reviewed on this forum.
This is not the number I did in Shanghai only, most was done in FKK. There is no need to BSing at all here. Of course, I am proud of my achievements on this besides other achievements I can proud of, that's irrelevant to this site.Your other post implied you did this in Shanghai from a KTV connection of yours, hence why I had a hard time believing your story but I guess its more believable then.
I fail to see what you are proud of as to me punting is just about taking pleasure and releasing the pressure... but if that's the achievment of your life, more power to you. I Just feel there are much better things to achieve in life :)
I Luv Emall
06-20-18, 13:55
Hi all,
I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:
1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?
2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?
3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?
4) Outstanding sauna recommendation for model-type experience- I only read briefly about this, but it might be a splurge I would consider for a special treat. Seems I could expect around 2 k RMB price- is that for an hour, and are multiples included, or how does that work?
Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.
Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip!
I will be going to Shanghai in September and would like to know if it still has Red Light Districts. I know there was a crack down a few years ago but are things now more relaxed? I have checked various web sites, but most information is out of date or confusing.
Thanks.
Given your situation I highly recommend you go with nightlife. Online girl (Maria is available from there). Most do outcall, but Maria does incall (at least she used to for me) as well if you prefer. Prices are listed on their profiles at the site and you should plan to pay the stated price plus taxi fee (100-200). Good luck, enjoy, and report back!
Hi all,
I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:
1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?.
Hi all,
I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:
1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?
2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?
3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?.Outcall is always uncomfortable unless you know the area and establishment well.
In call can be uncomfortable as they come to your hotel but with all the cameras and keyed elevators chance of follow up breaking I think small. As long as girl is discreet have yet to see trouble at hotel. See young ladies in high heels and sexy dress follow older man out, LOL.
I have tried Wenli, Linger (housewifebaobao), some of the raininshanghai and nightlife. Online ladies as incall. You can also try wild west of Wechat nearby function. I always get wechat hits at night but that is least stable quality experience and bait and switch and a very different quality girl from picture is almost a certainty.
Sauna exist but w / o local speak or guide they are hard to find and these days the wind can be blowing unfavorably at anytime and risky.
Stay safe and enjoy Shanghai, it ain't cheap nor wild there like years past.
Midwestern
06-21-18, 09:19
Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.
Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip!I agree with Vermonter. If you can only monger for one day, don't have much time to RTFF, and you can't speak Chinese, then the easiest thing to do is to contact Maria or HuJing, and ask her to come to your hotel. Maria and HuJing can both speak English. But Maria is pushing 50 and HuJjing is pushing 40 (despite any claims to the contrary), so I don't know how you feel about that. But both have big tits, especially Maria. Both do BBBJ, though, nothing great. And I personally do not find HuJing to be very attractive, and Maria wears too much makeup. But both are good options for a first-timer in Shanghai. Anyway, good luck. And no need to report on your experience. Most of us have boffed both, haha.
NightLife17
06-21-18, 12:13
I agree with Vermonter. If you can only monger for one day, don't have much time to RTFF, and you can't speak Chinese, then the easiest thing to do is to contact Maria or HuJing, and ask her to come to your hotel. Maria and HuJing can both speak English. But Maria is pushing 50 and HuJjing is pushing 40 (despite any claims to the contrary), so I don't know how you feel about that. But both have big tits, especially Maria. Both do BBBJ, though, nothing great. And I personally do not find HuJing to be very attractive, and Maria wears too much makeup. But both are good options for a first-timer in Shanghai. Anyway, good luck. And no need to report on your experience. Most of us have boffed both, haha.Thanks for recommending them. I agree; both of them make excellent choices for first timers. Not just because they speak English; but also due to their open personality, willing to make you feel comfortable and accommodate you. I recommend, if you don't like the make up or clothing choices, you can request them to wear less and / or wear specific clothing. As.
On a side note though, whether you believe it or not, I do know for sure HuJing at least really is 27. Maria I can't tell for sure; but I would guess her late 30's or early 40's.
Have fun.
Contact Cathy--you can find her under classified ads-an adventure you won't forget.
Hi all,
I just learned I will be going to Shanghai this weekend. I will be staying near the Pudong Expo. I will have only one day free before I am joined by colleagues with activities then being limited. I've tried reading the forum a bit, but time is limited and there's a lot of information that is confusing to someone that's never been to the area before. I would appreciate some advice and options on the following:
1) Any incall possibilities, or is this not done or recommended there (or at least, not at the nicer hotels)? What would be the expected pricing and services?
2) Outcall recommendations withing walking distance, not too difficult for a gringo to find? Seems I should expect something like 400-700 RMB for this? I guess this is for one shot, up to an hour? I see several recommendations for Maria- what is her pricing and how would I set up a visit?
3) Massage parlors- any range of services is ok (he, b2 b, BJ, FS), assuming price is commensurate. Seems like I should expect from 300-400 RMB for basic massage + he, possibly b2 b if lucky. Potential upgrades for BJ / FS at 200-300 RMB?
4) Outstanding sauna recommendation for model-type experience- I only read briefly about this, but it might be a splurge I would consider for a special treat. Seems I could expect around 2 k RMB price- is that for an hour, and are multiples included, or how does that work?
Keep in mind I do not speak or read Chinese, have never been to the area before, and will be there only a short while, with essentially only 1 day for fun activities. I see references to wechat, QQ, Rain, etc, but am unfamiliar with all of these, and how they work.
Thanks, and please excuse my ignorance. I would come better prepared if I had more forewarning on this trip!
Thanks for recommending them. I agree; both of them make excellent choices for first timers. Not just because they speak English; but also due to their open personality, willing to make you feel comfortable and accommodate you. I recommend, if you don't like the make up or clothing choices, you can request them to wear less and / or wear specific clothing. As.
On a side note though, whether you believe it or not, I do know for sure HuJing at least really is 27. Maria I can't tell for sure; but I would guess her late 30's or early 40's.
Have fun.Can't imagine Hujing is under 35.
Can't imagine Hujing is under 35.It's not the years. It's the miles.
All For Bb
06-22-18, 06:35
Your other post implied you did this in Shanghai from a KTV connection of yours, hence why I had a hard time believing your story but I guess its more believable then.
I fail to see what you are proud of as to me punting is just about taking pleasure and releasing the pressure... but if that's the achievment of your life, more power to you. I Just feel there are much better things to achieve in life :)"There are much better things to achieve in life". I agree, but it is irrelevant to discuss at this website.
About my personal numbers: majority of 3362 girls I fucked are in FKK; majority of 113 no condom sex are with KTV girls in Shanghai. Why Shanghai (not other city or places)? Because of the selections, easiness, and because I have a business in Shanghai too (convenient). Believe or not, we do not need to BSing or lying at this place. No need.
Good luck for your taking pleasure and releasing the pressure and much better things to achieve in your life.
It's not the years. It's the miles.FWIW HuJen / Jenny I saw a few times in 2017 and if there is a lot of mileage all I got to say she is getting regular tuneups. Body pictures are dead on accurate!
Maria based on some exposed picitures on a HK forum revealed a figure considerably different than the photo shoot on NLO and after that peak I lost all interest. She is looking like she could use a series of major pit stop and tune up.
Miles are okay, if kept tuned and tip top shape! But if the girls aren't genetically blessed, don't exercise or love to eat the whole thing will go quickly and there is a nice tight gorgeous 18 year old that will make you look, well you know, LOL.
WanderMan68
06-22-18, 14:12
Relatively speaking in comparison to Beijing. Beverly, Wenli, and Cathy are all sure bets that can not go wrong.
PlaceKicker
06-22-18, 15:31
You're talking about the MP on 1565 Huashan, right? This place is the epitome of YMMV. One guy said he got a BBBJ with CIM finish from a young provider. I went and got a very good he with and without tip from two different older gals with huge jugs. Then someone angrily posted that this place was a waste of time, and got no extras. And from everyone's description of the place, I know we are all talking about the same place.
How much did you tip for FS? Can't be much. They are old fatties, but for 500 it would be worthwhile and fun. I like huge tits on fatties every once in a while.
Good to hear the renovation is done. I went a few weeks ago and it was closed because of the renovation.YMMV indeed, even more so than a Spring. Asked to use the shower so got one of the rooms on the upper floor, but got completely open-door. Normally wouldn't mind getting vegged provided it's reasonable, but for regular massage this place is ludicrously expensive. And she didn't do a particularly good job either. Gotten better before from bjmps, and those are generally the worst.
Midwestern
06-23-18, 02:06
Relatively speaking in comparison to Beijing. Beverly, Wenli, and Cathy are all sure bets that can not go wrong.Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.
These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.
Midwestern
06-23-18, 02:18
YMMV indeed, even more so than a Spring. Asked to use the shower so got one of the rooms on the upper floor, but got completely open-door. Normally wouldn't mind getting vegged provided it's reasonable, but for regular massage this place is ludicrously expensive. And she didn't do a particularly good job either. Gotten better before from bjmps, and those are generally the worst.I went there yesterday, after someone said he got FS there for 500 tip. This time, the boss was there, but as usual I got the room next to the shower upstairs. My provider was yet another older gal. She spent 70% of the time on my asshole, balls, and shaft. And after the flip, I asked if FS was available. She said no one offers FS at the shop. But asked me if I'the gotten FS before at the shop, indicating that maybe it's possible from another provider. Anyway, she wouldn't let me roam, probably because she had a bad body. The other old fatties let me handle their fat jugs. But again got a decent he. And no tip. So, not bad. You have to ask for the 60 minute 258 rmb lymph realease massage. Anyway, I don't think I'll go back there.
Midwestern
06-23-18, 05:56
"There are much better things to achieve in life". I agree, but it is irrelevant to discuss at this website.
About my personal numbers: majority of 3362 girls I fucked are in FKK; majority of 113 no condom sex are with KTV girls in Shanghai. Why Shanghai (not other city or places)? Because of the selections, easiness, and because I have a business in Shanghai too (convenient). Believe or not, we do not need to BSing or lying at this place. No need.
Good luck for your taking pleasure and releasing the pressure and much better things to achieve in your life.Why is your no condom sex number, 113, so low? You're over 65 (I read a few of your older posts). You must have had GFs, one night stands, and FWBs in the past, especially when you were a young lad in the 1970's. I'm early 50's, and I have had BB sex wth over 113 girls easily. Maybe a quarter of them when I was in college and another quarter immediately thereafter. This is before I discovered the convenience of P4 P. Anyway, I'm pretty sure almost everyone on here had BB sex with over 113 girls. Why is your number so low? I'm genuinely curious for some reason. Especially since you love it. I love it too, which is why I always try to have a few GFs on the side.
PlaceKicker
06-23-18, 07:46
I went there yesterday, after someone said he got FS there for 500 tip. This time, the boss was there, but as usual I got the room next to the shower upstairs. My provider was yet another older gal. She spent 70% of the time on my asshole, balls, and shaft. And after the flip, I asked if FS was available. She said no one offers FS at the shop. But asked me if I'the gotten FS before at the shop, indicating that maybe it's possible from another provider. Anyway, she wouldn't let me roam, probably because she had a bad body. The other old fatties let me handle their fat jugs. But again got a decent he. And no tip. So, not bad. You have to ask for the 60 minute 258 rmb lymph realease massage. Anyway, I don't think I'll go back there.Did get 268 just for the record, so that's not the responsible factor. Could be provider. The veg part of the business probably accounts for the bulk of their income. So it's possible that some just don't do extra. Or could also be timing. There was at least one customer leaving around the time I showed up, and upon leaving a couple were coming in. If they're concerned with noise in the corridor, as someone else had suspected, you might not be able to get anywhere when other customers are around. Just so people know, if they're willing to chance it here.
WanderMan68
06-23-18, 15:05
Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.
These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.What's the best way to find girls in their 20's? Agencies are across the board disappointing. I guess that I have not realized how many years have passed since I have known these ladies. I highly recommend both Beverly and Wenli's BJ. Wenli is not heavy but a little meaty, which I like. Beverly's Greek is awesome. She moans like a tigress when speaking Greek.
All For Bb
06-23-18, 16:13
Why is your no condom sex number, 113, so low? You're over 65 (I read a few of your older posts). You must have had GFs, one night stands, and FWBs in the past, especially when you were a young lad in the 1970's. I'm early 50's, and I have had BB sex wth over 113 girls easily. Maybe a quarter of them when I was in college and another quarter immediately thereafter. This is before I discovered the convenience of P4 P. Anyway, I'm pretty sure almost everyone on here had BB sex with over 113 girls. Why is your number so low? I'm genuinely curious for some reason. Especially since you love it. I love it too, which is why I always try to have a few GFs on the side.In early years, condoms were used for birth control mainly. Later, for safe sex mainly (HIV scares). Just recently, realized from scientific reports that the chance to catch HIV is very very low. I started BB sex just recently (about 2 years, 113 so far, will go faster I think), although total girls fucked so far is much more (362).
Other member (Sinofaguo) think my number is too high (BSing), but you are on other hand, think my number is too low. Funny. Please help me to convince him the BB sex is ok, and my number is not BSing. Indeed BB sex feel much better.
Technically, the joint on XianXia, but it's closed due to recent crackdown. They're running it out of a nightclub a few minutes away. You pick from line-up, then they transport you and the girl to a nearby hotel. Weird arrangement.
Bosses told me police have informed them they can reopen in about a week in their usual location. We'll see. Prices sky-high, but they say they are paying off all the top cops in the neighborhood. They apparently get advance warning when to shut down.
Anyway, got a very attractive 18 year old for 1,800. Looked like a girl about to start college. She was 8 xx category, with 6 xx girls at 1400 and 9 xx girls at 2200. Modest-sized boobs keeps her in the more affordable category, and I was happy not fork over any more than 1800 - would've been 900 for the same category a year ago. She was accommodating, but inexperienced.
We can only hope that pricing normalizes in the future.
Beverly, Maria, HuJing, Wenli, Cathy.
These are probably the most well known indies in Shanghai. I can personally vouch for the first 4. They speak English pretty well, they all have good attitudes (especially Beverly and Wenli). They will also book ST hotels for the date (I got the idea from Beverly, and then I proposed the idea to the other 3 and all went along with it). Beverly is famous for her BBBJ. It really is unbelievably good. You will pop, and then she rest with you, chat, and show you pictures on her cell phone. Then when you're ready, you boff for the 2nd pop. But Beverly has been at this for a long time and she has got to be in her early 40's now. She may be the most reviewed girl on the other famous escort review site. She is the epitome of spinner physique. Maybe 5 feet 2, and around 95 pounds. I already said Maria is almost 50 and HuJing is almost 40. I don't think HuJing is pretty, which is probably the real reason why she doesn't show her face on nightlife. Wenli has become well known in a short period of time, probably because a senior member vouched for her. She is very nice, but a little heavy, and also almost 40. I've never bothered meeting Cathy because her face does not look pretty to me. She seems famous mostly because of the kinky stuff that she'll do. They were good options during the crackdown. But since after the crackdown, I'm back to boffing girls in their 20's. As far as escort agencies, I no longer trust them ever since Steven and Judy (they ran a well known agency) got arrested.My additional 2 cents.
Wenli: got a few extra pounds but funny sense of humor, if chemistry good a reasonable choice.
Beverly: 5 stars, she has a routine and skills to rock you. A spinner MILF with skills that was perfected over decades. Last seen this last month and probably eating too much from he cooking classes, could lose a Kg or two to get back to where she was two years ago.
Maria: if pictures accidentally released on HK forum is not close to her NLO pictures.
Cathy: too bad she don't take ABC, oh well.
Midwestern
06-24-18, 00:15
In early years, condoms were used for birth control mainly. Later, for safe sex mainly (HIV scares). Just recently, realized from scientific reports that the chance to catch HIV is very very low. I started BB sex just recently (about 2 years, 113 so far, will go faster I think), although total girls fucked so far is much more (362).
Other member (Sinofaguo) think my number is too high (BSing), but you are on other hand, think my number is too low. Funny. Please help me to convince him the BB sex is ok, and my number is not BSing. Indeed BB sex feel much better.He thinks your number of BBFS with WGs is too high. I totally agree. I am sure almost everyone agrees.
Midwestern
06-24-18, 00:24
What's the best way to find girls in their 20's?.Pre crackdown I did most of the SNG girls and Rain girls. Post crackdown I am now collecting as many girls' wechats as possible. Mostly MP girls. Believe it or not some are willing to meet me on their day off or before their shift at my hotel. And of course there's Manhattans and Judys for takeout but I can't do takeout because of my personal situation nor do I want to stay up past 11 pm. And saunas if you're willing to take the risk of a raid.
Member #4643
06-24-18, 01:51
Several years ago, I signed up for WeChat. I forgot my password and am trying to get a code by SMS. But, the text doesn't arrive.
I am in the USA. Is this the reason I cannot get a text?
Several years ago, I signed up for WeChat. I forgot my password and am trying to get a code by SMS. But, the text doesn't arrive.
I am in the USA. Is this the reason I cannot get a text?Depends on how you entered the number when you got wechat, did you put in the country code if outside China.
Teltel.
Member #4643
06-24-18, 12:32
Depends on how you entered the number when you got wechat, did you put in the country code if outside China.
Teltel.Yes, I had the USA country code.
I finally remembered my password and got into WeChat. The app mystifies me. Once I got in, I couldn't see anyone but people in the USA (that would have been fine if the girls had been advertising services, but they did not appear to be). Half the time I ended up with screens in Chinese. I guess I have to be in China to see Chinese women, and that I won't be making plans to meet ladies before I go to Shanghai (that was my goal).
Jude Bright
06-24-18, 15:56
Yes, I had the USA country code.
I finally remembered my password and got into WeChat. The app mystifies me. Once I got in, I couldn't see anyone but people in the USA (that would have been fine if the girls had been advertising services, but they did not appear to be). Half the time I ended up with screens in Chinese. I guess I have to be in China to see Chinese women, and that I won't be making plans to meet ladies before I go to Shanghai (that was my goal).No, you should be able to make plan in the US before you go to China, at least I can and I did last Month when I was in Beijing. Most of the Chinese girl can only speak and write in Chinese. You can use google translate to communicate with them.
Jb.
No, you should be able to make plan in the US before you go to China, at least I can and I did last Month when I was in Beijing. Most of the Chinese girl can only speak and write in Chinese. You can use google translate to communicate with them.
Jb.Wechat has built in translation capabilities. If you select the message you can then click translate and it will translate to the operating language for your phone. Much better then trying to use google translate when your in China as often google services require the use of VPN (at least that has been my experience, but my phone plan is with Chinese carrier so that may make a difference).
Dear all,
Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.
Dear all,
Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.Hmm don't like doing this but in this case the senior members are right; you really could have spend literally 2 minutes to read the first and second page of this forum to get your answer. As mentioned you can stick with regulars like HuJing, Maria, WenLi, Beverly, Cathy, Housewife baobao. Or you can look for the websites from Rain or Nightlife Online for other choices.
You could also just have gone to the 'classified ad' section to do some digging there. Most girls I mentioned have advertisements there.
Midwestern
06-26-18, 04:07
Dear all,
Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.Are you trolling us or are you really this much of a tool? If latter then RTFF. We wrote it all for you, not for ourselves.
Dear all,
Will you support me for I am on trip to Shanghai looking for relax time can you please provide independent service provider or good service massage Center idea so I can enjoy. I am going to stay near area of Pudong ave, Pudong xingu Shanghai.Prostitution is illegal in China, how do we know you are not the police trying to entrap us, please tell us of your reports and contributions to the site so your bonafides can be checked.
DoItUnderwater
06-27-18, 08:49
Hi all. Finally getting to write some field reports from my recent trip to SH. Members with multiple credible field reports can PM me for more location info.
There is another old style BBS that I have gone to over the years that provided some interesting relief recently. First time they took me to the very back corner of a side room and gave me a good massage then with didi in hand they hit me up for second girl. I rejected for a while then they brought out the baby wipes and did a thorough job on my fingers. OK, I knew there was pussy to be played with, so I went with it. Both were pretty dry, one played and sucked my nipples (doesn't really do anything for me) other did nice slippery tug. Clean up and more massage. Didn't get names or numbers. Damage 300.
Have fun, be safe.
Doit.
DoItUnderwater
06-27-18, 09:07
Hi all. Finally getting to write some field reports from my recent trip to SH. Members with multiple credible field reports can PM me for more location info.
With the construction of the new Metro Line and Station on Gubei Lu, the bus had to detour and I saw a couple massage places I never saw before. So your faithful servant had to check one out. Walked in and up the stairs to reception. When they saw a laowai, they immediately escorted me up another flight of stairs. Not sure if there were veggie rooms on the reception floor. Shower in the room worked. Girl was a bit thicker than most Chinese but that meant nice big titties to play and suck. Back and leg massage were good. Flip and she went right for didi. Lots of lube and took her time to drain the boys. Cleanup, more massage, shower again then leave. Didn't get names or numbers. Damage 288.
Have fun, be safe.
Doit.
Prostitution is illegal in China, how do we know you are not the police trying to entrap us, please tell us of your reports and contributions to the site so your bonafides can be checked.Private message received from Atool:
"Tool.
Hey Teltel. I see your post about not knowing if somebody is LE. You know that you can click their user ID and see all their previous posts, right?
I often do this when I see a new poster asking such stupid questions when they clearly have not RTTF.
Have fun. Stay safe.
Doit".
Suitable reply was sent.
Teltel.
Midwestern
06-28-18, 04:53
Private message received from Atool:
"Tool.
Hey Teltel. I see your post about not knowing if somebody is LE. You know that you can click their user ID and see all their previous posts, right?
I often do this when I see a new poster asking such stupid questions when they clearly have not RTTF.
Have fun. Stay safe.
Doit".
Suitable reply was sent.
Teltel.I actually read some of Tool's previous posts, and they pretty much are all asking for advice and suggestions and help. What a tool.
I visited Shanghai in the 1st week of Jun and stayed near Tangqiao Subway Station. There are quite a few spa's nearby and one evening I went into one of them and asked for details. RMB298 for full body oil massage and RMB398 for "sex massage" which included only a HJ. Went inside the building to check the quality of the rooms and amenities. The door rooms had locks, but the upper part of the door had clear glass, there was a thick bedsheet kept on a chair near to the door which was put over this glass when the HJ was performed during the end of the 60 minutes. Bathroom was common, and walking out with all the oil made me back-off. Also checked with the mamasan, who said you can't do sex with the therapist. (So why do they call it sex massage?)
Back in the room, used Chrome browser on my android mobile to scan baidu's mobile website (and it worked both on wifi line and 4G line). Zeroed down on a website called "cityoflove" and liked a profile and started talking. It was great to get someone who could talk excellent English on wechat. The photo of the girl online named Sue, was again sent to me on wechat, and was promised that the same girl would be sent to my room. The deal was RMB800 (negotiated from RMB1300) for 2 shots with the same girl as in the website, else nothing. In 20 mins I got message that she is down by the reception and I have to go down to get her. On reaching down, was shocked to see a completely different girl, totally not my type with below average looks, who kept insisting to my grave face that she is the same girl, have photoshopped her image for online use! I was ready to turn back, and she said she needs RMB100 for taxi, if not interested.
My dick ruled over my brain at that moment (and the time of the night), and I took her to the room (big mistake! She asked me to hand over the RMB800 to start. To be on the safer side, I asked that RMB800 was for 2 shots, she said for 1 only. The person whom I was talking on wechat sent some voice message in Chinese which I totally couldn't understand. She agreed for 2. Somehow my mind was not ready to get duped again, hence I said I will give RMB600 now and remaining after the session. After some haggling, she agreed.
After we both stripped, the whole session was too mechanical, without an iota of connect between us. She put on a cover and started giving me a CBJ, didn't allow me to put a finger inside her. After 5 minutes of CBJ. Asked her to slow down and come on top of me, which she didn't listen and continued with her CBJ. Even after repeatedly telling her she won't stop, and in next 2 minutes I came. I was not happy, and went to the washroom to clean myself.
By the time I returned, she was already dressed and ready to go out. When I asked what about 2nd round she said only if I give RMB700 more will she do it again. I was really pissed off and asked her to leave immediately.
Not sure whether I should say I saved RMB200 and a 2nd bad experience, or I already had a bad experience.
~WB.
You are not the only one to experience this. So many touts out there. The girl does not know what they told you, not her fault. She is just one of many that are trying to make some money. You learned your lesson, so don't make the same mistake again, we all have been through this at least onetime. Believe it never gets better doing it this way.
At least you did not go with a tout on the streets to some hidden place and get hit with a 10,000 RMB bill and three thugs ready to beat the shit out of you if you didn't pay them!
I visited Shanghai in the 1st week of Jun and stayed near Tangqiao Subway Station. There are quite a few spa's nearby and one evening I went into one of them and asked for details. RMB298 for full body oil massage and RMB398 for "sex massage" which included only a HJ. Went inside the building to check the quality of the rooms and amenities. The door rooms had locks, but the upper part of the door had clear glass, there was a thick bedsheet kept on a chair near to the door which was put over this glass when the HJ was performed during the end of the 60 minutes. Bathroom was common, and walking out with all the oil made me back-off. Also checked with the mamasan, who said you can't do sex with the therapist. (So why do they call it sex massage?)
Back in the room, used Chrome browser on my android mobile to scan baidu's mobile website (and it worked both on wifi line and 4G line). Zeroed down on a website called "cityoflove" and liked a profile and started talking. It was great to get someone who could talk excellent English on wechat. The photo of the girl online named Sue, was again sent to me on wechat, and was promised that the same girl would be sent to my room. The deal was RMB800 (negotiated from RMB1300) for 2 shots with the same girl as in the website, else nothing. In 20 mins I got message that she is down by the reception and I have to go down to get her. On reaching down, was shocked to see a completely different girl, totally not my type with below average looks, who kept insisting to my grave face that she is the same girl, have photoshopped her image for online use! I was ready to turn back, and she said she needs RMB100 for taxi, if not interested.
My dick ruled over my brain at that moment (and the time of the night), and I took her to the room (big mistake! She asked me to hand over the RMB800 to start. To be on the safer side, I asked that RMB800 was for 2 shots, she said for 1 only. The person whom I was talking on wechat sent some voice message in Chinese which I totally couldn't understand. She agreed for 2. Somehow my mind was not ready to get duped again, hence I said I will give RMB600 now and remaining after the session. After some haggling, she agreed.
After we both stripped, the whole session was too mechanical, without an iota of connect between us. She put on a cover and started giving me a CBJ, didn't allow me to put a finger inside her. After 5 minutes of CBJ. Asked her to slow down and come on top of me, which she didn't listen and continued with her CBJ. Even after repeatedly telling her she won't stop, and in next 2 minutes I came. I was not happy, and went to the washroom to clean myself.
By the time I returned, she was already dressed and ready to go out. When I asked what about 2nd round she said only if I give RMB700 more will she do it again. I was really pissed off and asked her to leave immediately.
Not sure whether I should say I saved RMB200 and a 2nd bad experience, or I already had a bad experience.
~WB.
GodfatherVit
07-01-18, 07:31
Hey Midwestern,
Sent you a PM couple days back. In Shanghai for just a day this time on July 2 and could use a few of your wechat contacts if you're willing to spare them. Thanks in advance.
Pre crackdown I did most of the SNG girls and Rain girls. Post crackdown I am now collecting as many girls' wechats as possible. Mostly MP girls. Believe it or not some are willing to meet me on their day off or before their shift at my hotel. And of course there's Manhattans and Judys for takeout but I can't do takeout because of my personal situation nor do I want to stay up past 11 pm. And saunas if you're willing to take the risk of a raid.
A manager from the KD Sauna hit me up and let me know about their new places. They have 3 new places in Puxi. As of now they're still operating out of a few hotels.
I went to one, waited outside and the manager let me up. The manager took me up to the floor they'd rented and it's basically the same procedure. They'll give up a fishbowl lineup. There were only about 12 girls at the time I went. Pricing is about the same as the old KD. I picked a super cute girl from the most expensive class (2300 damage) with super long black hair, the absolute perkiest natural big see-cups I've ever seen, and a great ass. She got a room card from a manager and took me to a room on the same floor. We showered together in the tub and she soaped herself up and rubbed against me. Since we have to stay standing it's not the same experience as the old saunas, but it's OK. After we got cleaned up, we moved to the bed for a BBBJ and then FS (I skip the normal catbath). Popped once in about 5 minutes and then sucked and fondled her titties for the next 15 minutes as she slowly massaged me down there. Then we got cleaned up and and she massaged my balls with her silky hair while blowing me to get me ready for round 2. Went at it for about another 15 minutes before cumming inside and then just buried my face in her tits until time ran out.
A minor complaint is that she always tried to put on the condom after a sloppy BJ, which makes it really easy for it to slip off during FS.
Overall, the girl was amazing, but the hotel environment scares me with all the CCTV everywhere. I won't repeat as long as they don't have their own place, but once they do I'll definitely go looking for that girl again.
2300 Damage / 90 minutes / 2 pops.
BJ: 8/10.
FS: 9/10.
Face: 8/10.
Body: 10/10.
PartyFriend
07-02-18, 01:21
Saturday night, I decided to go and watch the (FRA / ARG) soccer game at Judy's. Arrived quite early and the place was already full, mainly Chinese customers in small groups drinking whiskey, eating watermelon, chain smoking and somewhat molesting all the girls around. I seldom go to Judy's, about once or twice a year in July. It's the first time I saw so many Chinese men, maybe it's another sign either of a declining expat community or that our hosts develop a similar taste.
There were about 50 Girls, not old in great majority, almost all Viets with a few Chinese and Russians. Most of the girls are pretty, many have silicone breast, sometimes protruding like cannon balls, not always the best choices or the best surgeons.
You can't spend more than 1 minute on your own and, if you do not settle with one girl, there is a continuous flow of "what's your name, where you come from".
I personally did not go there to bring someone home and going to their place is not particularly safe (in my eyes). Besides, it was raining, and taxi would be an issue. So I played along. I had conversations with a few girls, all friendly and cute, trying their best to make you hard and give you a furtive rubbing, some like kissing, some put your hands on their curves. Overall and enjoyable experience. When I stayed with a girl for more than 15 minutes, I gave her a tip, as I knew I would not take them out. I also am straightforward and say I will not and that they are loosing valuable time with me. Some leave, some stay.
After the soccer game, I felt I had enough small talk for the night and headed out. The overall feeling of being a buyer at a meat market was starting to bear on me.
It was raining and I was number 154 in the list for a Didi. I was also a bit aroused by all the beer I had and by that last Viêt girl who rubbed her beautifully round and firm ass on my crotch for 10 min. So, I decided to have a night cap at the Chinese bar that sits just in front of Judy's, on the corner of the street. While waiting for my taxi.
It's a typical Chinese girlie bar, where you drink reasonably priced beer (60) and are encouraged to buy lady drinks (100) to as many girls as possible. Girls are passable at best, but friendly and reasonably English speaking. Late twenties to late thirties, some slender, some not. I settled with 2 and bought 1 round. Small talk and some shoulders massage ensued. I asked what was possible and they told me we could get a private room upstairs where I would get HJ and BBBJ. Price was not reasonable, one thou each, but I was somewhat drunk and horny. So I said yes.
Moved up to the room, where they got naked and took turns to tease, then proceeded with BJ. At one point, one got on me cowboy while the other was pumping. That was great fun. I asked if FS was possible and they said no. But if I kept it secret. Alright. So I paid another thou for both, not each, and they were ready to go BB. I was drunk but not that drunk and fished two condoms out of my pocket. We used one.
Ah, nothing beats the view of a small ass up and down in reverse call girl while you suck on a meaty nipple. Both were enthusiastic and energetic. I did not last long.
Overall great evening, a bit on the very expensive side, but we only live once.
PartyFriend
07-02-18, 01:50
Yesterday afternoon, riding my bike around, I spotted a MP on Hami lu, close to Honqjiao lu, between numbers 1971 and 1955. Looked closed, curtains half closed but a sign saying open and a girl seated at the counter.
I stopped and looked around. Hmmmm. It's actually 50 m south of a police station.
I decided to give it a try, I was in need of some massage anyway.
Went in, welcome in english, was allotted a girl in her late twenties, cute face, big smile, a tad on the chubby side but not too much, no breasts to speak of. Went to the room, and started to undress, the girl came around and gave me a squeeze. Oh! I said to myself. Good sign!
Started with 20 Minutes of slow, quite strong, back massage. No tease before flip then slow waking up of the monster. At that moment the girl fished out her mobile and translated: do you want more? Said yes, she said 500, I asked "for what", she said BBBJ, I frowned then she made the typical fingers gesture of right index going through a circle made by right thumb and index. I said yes. Of course.
She undressed completely then we started with BBBJ, quite sloppy. She moved up her leg on the table to give me access (I was clearly not her first, LOL) then sat on my face for DATY, I like when I feel the pleasure button getting bigger and harder. After a dew minutes, she moved around and we started (covered). She was very wet and displayed signs of liking what we were doing. Whether this was true or not, I'll never know. Several positions including amazon, which is quite rare in this part of the world. I finished with her squatting on me, my hands on her firm ass.
Was a good experience which I will repeat.
FS does not seem to be on the standard menu though, as I felt she was attentive to what was happening outside of the room.
Midwestern
07-02-18, 05:17
Hey Midwestern,
Sent you a PM couple days back. In Shanghai for just a day this time on July 2 and could use a few of your wechat contacts if you're willing to spare them. Thanks in advance.I don't know you (we've never communicated or shared info before, so I personally cannot vouch for you), I don't know your tastes, I don't know what you want, I don't know if you can speak Chinese, etc. , and given that you're in town for only a day, then I suggest you just contact Wenli or Maria or HuJing. They are great if you want a hassle-free and user-friendly provider.
ShanghaiLander
07-02-18, 09:23
I personally did not go there to bring someone home and going to their place is not particularly safe (in my eyes). Besides, it was raining, and taxi would be an issue. So I played along. I had conversations with a few girls, all friendly and cute, trying their best to make you hard and give you a furtive rubbing, some like kissing, some put your hands on their curves. Overall and enjoyable experience. When I stayed with a girl for more than 15 minutes, I gave her a tip, as I knew I would not take them out. I also am straightforward and say I will not and that they are loosing valuable time with me. Some leave, some stay.
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Overall great evening, a bit on the very expensive side, but we only live once.Nice report, thanks.
I also think it's fair to tip a girl who spends time with you in the bar. But how much?
HeyyyyyyPaul
07-02-18, 15:58
Saturday night, I decided to go and watch the (FRA / ARG) soccer game at Judy's. Arrived quite early and the place was already full, mainly Chinese customers in small groups drinking whiskey, eating watermelon, chain smoking and somewhat molesting all the girls around. I seldom go to Judy's, about once or twice a year in July. It's the first time I saw so many Chinese men, maybe it's another sign either of a declining expat community or that our hosts develop a similar taste.
There were about 50 Girls, not old in great majority, almost all Viets with a few Chinese and Russians. Most of the girls are pretty, many have silicone breast, sometimes protruding like cannon balls, not always the best choices or the best surgeons.Nice report but what's the damage at these places.
PartyFriend
07-02-18, 16:38
What I did on Saturday, not necessarily recommended, I was a bit off charts, but, anyway:
-Judy's:
Corona is 45 a piece, they ate not pushy so you can take your time.
Tips for girl arousing you varies from 100 to 300 depending on where your blood is at the time, arousing technique, sexiness, and length of time.
Short term at their place was offered at 1500. I do not try.
Blue dreams:
Corona is 60.
Lady drink is 100. Not easy to keep this at a minimum as you are like a honey pot in a bees nest. I kept it down to 4 (yeah, not very successful).
HJ and BBBJ Is 1000 for each girl you take upstairs. I took 2.
FS was an additional painfully negotiated down to 500 each. Possible to get lower. As I said the fee, in their mind, was for BBFS, which I refused.
Not cheap, I agree, but I had a great time).
KingAmongKings
07-04-18, 20:36
Hey guys,
I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?
Hey guys,
I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?If you do not already have some sort of China visa you will need to go through the 'entry without visa procedures', this will take some time before you can get out of the airport. Also allow time for travel from and back to the airport, for check in and do not forget that at some airports and/or airlines in China need you to collect luggage and check in again when leaving the airport. If you can get you luggage checked through to your final destination then that would be good. Use luggage storage at the airport if you need to.
I am not familiar with Shanghai so cannot offer anything about who to contact but you should check the operating hours of establishments to make sure they will be open when you want service.
Fifteen hours should give you plenty of time to do what you want if you plan you travel in Shanghai I. E maglev, bus, taxi etc, preplanning will pay dividends.
Teltel.
I Luv Emall
07-05-18, 13:19
Hey guys,
After requesting some help here, I wanted to follow up with my report on my brief stay in Shanghai. As I had mentioned, I really had only 1 night for mongering before my activities were restricted.
First, some logistical advice for those not use to visiting China. I strongly advise you to install a VPN app on your phone before going, as this will greatly simplify communication for you once in China. Google is blocked, so you will not have access to your gmail or the Play Store either, so downloading apps after you are there becomes more challenging. I learned this firsthand, and although I was able to work around it, it was a pain before I managed to get the VPN app installed. So go ahead and download and test a VPN app and WeChat before you get to China.
Once I got WeChat installed, I looked at some of the ladies from the sights recommended here (Shanghai Nights, Rain.). I tried to set something up with Rain (I guess that is her name?) for one of the Rain ladies for later that evening, but Rain said the lady could come right now. That wasn't a good time for me, so I was trying to think if I could rearrange things for an earlier meeting. Rain became very impatient when I didn't answer her immediately (I mean within 5 minutes), and she texted "Answer!" Immediately followed by another text "I hate guests like this". What a *****! I found it ironic that it took her hours to respond to my initial text to her, yet she expected me to immediately answer her on demand. I then told her I wasn't interested as I don't like dealing with a bad attitude.
So based on some recommendations here, I tried to set something up with Beverly, thinking it was a safe play. She responded back promptly and we set a time for her to come visit me. I asked her to text me 30 minutes before to confirm we were still on, and so I could give her the details. The time came around, and I never heard from her, so I texted her. Still no response, even as time passed our appointment time. Some hour or so after our appointment time she finally text me back, making the excuse that she wasn't sure we were going to meet. Wtf? I told her this is why I ask her to text me 30 minutes before. She apologized, and she was very nice about it, but it threw a wrench in my plans.
I had noticed a massage place right across from the Pudong Marriott Renaissance hotel (Gu Lin, I think? So at this point I decided just to give that a whirl, as I needed a good massage anyhow. I walked over and the girl presented me with the options. Nothing jumped out at me as a guaranteed service to leave me happy, so I just went with the hour body massage (298 RMB), hoping I would get more. The masseuse was a cutish, younger girl with a pretty decent rack and average body. She told me her name, but I cannot remember it. I tried initiating some contact at a couple points during the massage, but was rebuffed, so gave up and resolved to just enjoy the massage. She gave an excellent massage, really working all the kinks out, and even if I got nothing else, I figured it was worthwile. At the end, I tried to persuade her for a he. She acted coy, and then asked for money. She wanted 300, but I told her 100. She refused, and even though I tried to remain steadfast, she would not accept 100. I moved to 150, which she also refused, but eventually she said 200. I knew this was too much, but after my earlier plans had struck out, I just said what the hell and gave in. She gave a nice HJ, taking her time and being very sweet afterward. She continued to massage me after, asking me personal questions about if I was married, girlfriend, saying how handsome I was, blah blah. She told me her name and said to ask for her next time. She spoke very little english, and I spoke no Chinese, or otherwise I would have tried to set something up with her for takeout at another time. I should have just gotten her number or WeChat, but I didn't.
Since the place was so close to the hotel, I slipped over one more time before leaving Shanghai, as I wanted another good massage. I did not ask for the girl, not only because I couldn't remember her name, but just to try someone else. This time I got an older girl who was obviously used to the game, and what I would call hardened. She allowed touching early on and was giggling, but immediately put the push on for money. She also asked for 300, which I flat refused as I had already decided I would give only 100, and if that wasn't accepted then I would be happy with just a good massage. She gave a terrible massage, applying no pressure at all, really just a very light touch massage. She did enough teasing to try to get me worked up so I would cave on her 300 demand, but that was her whole end goal. Classic prick tease. I enjoyed the approach of the girl from the first massage much more, as I was able to relax and enjoy the great massage, and only later did we talk money. This one did not focus on the massage at all, and was lazy, and was only interested in milking money from me. At the end, when I continued to refuse her 300, she said it was over. I pulled 100 from my pocket and laid it on the table, and she eventually took it and gave a passable HJ.
More is probably available at this place, and probably at a much better price, for non-gringos. The doors do all have a window in them, and when I tried to hang my clothes over the window, I was told no, so I can't be too sure how much they allow to take place there. I'm sure there are much better values away from major hotels. Thanks for your advice guys, and I wish I had more exciting things to report, but my time was just too limited.
Hey guys,
I will be traveling to Phnom Penh this year and have 15 HR layovers in Shanghai both ways. Any suggestions on the best way to get some action in this short amount of time?1 hour to get out of immigration.
1 hour to get into city.
1 hour to get back.
2 hour buffer before departure.
10 hours should be plenty to get ST hotel and girl or incall. Rain has incall and a few girls from nightlife. Online will do hotel ST and service.
I would say Shanghai ain't that special or cheap anymore for quick unless you never had a Chinese girl and have to sample local talent in the home country, LOL.
There is a review at that famous HK site that extras are available at the airport massage hotel place.
Happy punting.
1 hour to get out of immigration.
1 hour to get into city.
1 hour to get back.
2 hour buffer before departure.
10 hours should be plenty to get ST hotel and girl or incall. Rain has incall and a few girls from nightlife. Online will do hotel ST and service.
I would say Shanghai ain't that special or cheap anymore for quick unless you never had a Chinese girl and have to sample local talent in the home country, LOL.
There is a review at that famous HK site that extras are available at the airport massage hotel place.
Happy punting.If you mean the massage parlor directly connected to the gate area, yes, it did used to offer extras (for $$ but it has been closed for a while now. Seems to coincide with the large crackdown last year.
Ira Johnson
07-06-18, 04:38
It's actually 50 m south of a police station.Good report. Was their an increase in price? She offered BJ for 500; was FS more?
Your report reminded me of something a Chinese monger once told me, although I don't believe it in today's weather: Those shops closest to the PSB stations are (in his theory) safest because they are most likely paying someone off there to give a heads up if something is about to go down.
Again, I like this theory as a mental exercise but as you say, her focus was on what's going on outside.
Uncle Ira.
Steve 9696
07-06-18, 04:42
Thanks I Luv Email for your report. I try to be respectful of everyone's budget and know this varies widely. But it seems to me trying to get a handjob for $15 in a country that is cracking down on P4P is pretty hard. I am not surprised most girls didn't bite. Where P4P is legal (Brazil, Germany) prices are low But where it's illegal and enforced (China at the moment) I'd plan to pay a bit more if you don't want to be disappointed.
Midwestern
07-06-18, 05:27
Once I got WeChat installed, I looked at some of the ladies from the sights recommended here (Shanghai Nights, Rain.). I tried to set something up with Rain (I guess that is her name?) for one of the Rain ladies for later that evening, but Rain said the lady could come right now. That wasn't a good time for me, so I was trying to think if I could rearrange things for an earlier meeting. Rain became very impatient when I didn't answer her immediately (I mean within 5 minutes), and she texted "Answer!" Immediately followed by another text "I hate guests like this". What a *****! I found it ironic that it took her hours to respond to my initial text to her, yet she expected me to immediately answer her on demand. I then told her I wasn't interested as I don't like dealing with a bad attitude.
So based on some recommendations here, I tried to set something up with Beverly, thinking it was a safe play. She responded back promptly and we set a time for her to come visit me. I asked her to text me 30 minutes before to confirm we were still on, and so I could give her the details. The time came around, and I never heard from her, so I texted her. Still no response, even as time passed our appointment time. Some hour or so after our appointment time she finally text me back, making the excuse that she wasn't sure we were going to meet. Wtf? I told her this is why I ask her to text me 30 minutes before. She apologized, and she was very nice about it, but it threw a wrench in my plans.
Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.
Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.
Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.
Visiting Shanghai and had to stay a bit further out than I like, so I went outcall rather than venturing down to Manhattans / Judy's.
Based on a few reviews here, went with Baby from NO.
https://nightlife.online/girls/Baby
Had to go down to pick her up (hotel elevator requires key card) and almost missed her as she was sitting in a chair facing away from me and, if I hadn't noticed a few hairs poking above the chair, would have missed her. Baby is tiny. Four feet nothing.
But very cute. Energetic and playful. And accommodating. She is definitely the girl in the picture, although she seems a little older than 23 (but doesn't act it).
Got back to the room, showered for a long time. She scrubbed every inch of me. Then moved onto the fun stuff: BBBJ, DATY, DATO. Finally put the cover on and went missionary with a flip to doggy. Baby got loud.
Can't cum with a condom (or very rarely) so yanked it off and came in her mouth.
Great girl.
Bonus: was willing to take US $.
Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.
Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.
Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.With Rain, I'd caution any long-term Shanghai residents not to use a wechat account connected to your own identity. Too risky when she finally gets busted a la Stephen. For quick visitors, it probably doesn't matter.
I see Rain getting a lot of flack here but I've used 2 times and no complaints. First time booked for now, and second time for next early morning. Girls showed up on time, performed as expected and were very eager to please. However, both were quite inexperienced, and claimed that they have been in the business less than 1 year. But I had no issues about their enthusiasm, and were willing to do pretty much except anal to please (one allowed anal rimming but no dick).
Anyways, I've used many of the girls from the old SNG but kind of pissed at the new rules at NLO about 1 pop.
I'm not a fan of take out but I did try Manhattan last time (OMG the eye-candy) and I think I got really lucky, got a smoking hot chick, was very willing and we had a great time. 2 x times for 1200 rmb. (I tried half a dozen girls before, none were willing for less than 1200). Anyways, with this Viet girl, for the second time ever, I actually felt a connection. I know many girls would be friendly but there was always that "transactionny" feeling that I didn't get with this girl. Will be in shanghai next week and I already setup a time to meet her without paying the Manhattan premium.
So here's my question to the folks here, if Rain is out of question, Manhattan is expensive, what's the next best "safe" options? I speak ZERO chinese, am good looking fair-skinned indian guy, how to pick -up someone? Many people talk about saunas but I've always had difficulty finding them. Plus, I have 2 nights in Shanghai and usually work 8-8, so have unfortunately little room to explore.
I Luv Emall
07-08-18, 05:40
Regarding RAIN, I have repeatedly warned everyone that if you want to have a session with one of her girls, then you ask her when you are ready, with no questions asked and no requests made. RAIN is psycho, and I now fear that she may seek retaliation to whoever she gets annoyed at, whenever possible. She just wants straight-forward ready-to-go easy transactions.
Regarding Beverly, I don't understand why you didn't tell her where to meet ahead of time. You asking her to text you 30 minutes before the appointment to get the "details" is very strange. I don't blame her for blowing you off.
Anyway, thanks for the report. Sincerely. Too many people ask for advice and don't leave a report later.You're very welcome. For Beverly, I really wasn't holding back any information, and I did in fact tell her I was at a hotel in Pudong, but she never asked the exact name so I just figured she would ask when she was ready. I wasn't really too upset over the no-show, because as I said, she was very nice about it, but at the least, I think she could have responded to my texts asking if she was coming. She never did respond until well after our appointment time. Sorry, but I'm not willing to take all the blame for our miscommunication, if indeed that's even what it was. If she needed more information to feel comfortable with the appointment, she could have asked for it at any time, and I would have given it to her. I think more likely she just chose to blow me off for whatever reason. At least she did finally respond back and apologized, so I appreciated that and told her no hard feelings, and we'd try again another time. Unfortunately, I never had time for another try.
Anyways, I've used many of the girls from the old SNG but kind of pissed at the new rules at NLO about 1 pop.Agree! For more than 300 us$/hour, only 1 pop is a robbery.
I'm not a fan of take out but I did try Manhattan last time (OMG the eye-candy) and I think I got really lucky, got a smoking hot chick, was very willing and we had a great time. 2 x times for 1200 rmb. (I tried half a dozen girls before, none were willing for less than 1200). Anyways, with this Viet girl, for the second time ever, I actually felt a connection. I know many girls would be friendly but there was always that "transactionny" feeling that I didn't get with this girl. Will be in shanghai next week and I already setup a time to meet her without paying the Manhattan premium.
e.Do you mind sharing her info? Do you see PM? Thanks in advance.
KingAmongKings
07-09-18, 02:39
Anybody know any good spots for some Texas Holdem in Shanghai?
, what's the next best "safe" options? .Your right hand is the safest. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Rain posting your info, police raids on saunas and MPs.
There's risk in all of it. I think safetywise manhattans / judy's is the safest option.
1200 RMB vs 2 weeks in Jail? It's still cheap.
MrClark203
07-11-18, 06:33
Was there on a business trip and hit up a WeChat contact from awhile back. The location was close to Hongqiao Airport. Above a Pizza Hut.
I had a preview of their lineup before. 1400 1800 2100 2400.70 minutes.
When I arrived, went to the lineup room. Maybe about 15-18 girls. All very nice but the cutest was a skinny girl in tight jeans and heels. When I picked her, she got flustered, and I said. If you don't want to go with me, I'the rather pick someone else. I'm 6'4 big guy. Mamasan told her I was a good guy and so we went.
Upstairs. Big bed with shower bed room. Girl turned out to be 18 years old. Working for 4 months. Hot body but light in the skills department. Shower bed. Not great. Followed by CBJ. I finished quick looking at her right body not due to her skill. Cuddled a little. She went back to another CBJ and then tried to mount me. I'm fairly big for a small Chinese girl so she had a rough time and I was clearly hurting her so we went back to CBJ and playing around.
Finished a second time with her grinding on me in reverse cowgirl. Lots of small talk in Chinese. 2100 total damage. I would certainly try other girls at that local. Maybe go with someone more experienced. Sometimes I forget that the hottest girls are the least experienced and my type. Spinners - can't always handle my girth.
Overall good experience. I find that you really need to have at least conversational Chinese to get the best experience.
Your right hand is the safest. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Rain posting your info, police raids on saunas and MPs.
There's risk in all of it. I think safetywise manhattans / judy's is the safest option.
1200 RMB vs 2 weeks in Jail? It's still cheap.Rain can post my info all they want, wechat ID made from dummy email / phone number. But I understand the sentiment.
I don't find takeout to be that safe because you have no guarantees of the girl running away with your wallet etc. I prefer NLO / SNG types of services because someone usually has reviewed and the probability is lower than other cases.
Agree! For more than 300 us$/hour, only 1 pop is a robbery.
Do you mind sharing her info? Do you see PM? Thanks in advance.I don't mind sharing but my subscription ran out and for some reason, all my cards were denied to renew it. Will figure it out. She's back in Vietnam anyways and will be back in 2 weeks.
My 2 cents of risk reward.
Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.
Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.
NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.
Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady.
Can say Rain has delivered 100% as has NLO. Girl shows up on time and is as pictured with a few caveats of course, and others have had the largest disappointments, YMMV.
Stay safe bros.
My 2 cents of risk reward.
Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.
Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.
NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak.
Wechat / or other online: b / S and Wild West even more surprises unless you pick up a long referenced lady like Beverly or Cathy or other well reviewed lady..Well, I just got blocked by Rain. I told her I'l making a booking for tomorrow, will confirm time a few hours ahead, but my meetings ran late the next day, so I told her I can't make a booking tonight, and then bham. LOL.
Anyways, interested in trying out Manhattan / Judy's tonight. Anyone interested? Looking to find thai ladyboys in one of them?
May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.
Gregory.
My 2 cents of risk reward.
Sauna: get to see the goods and select with no b\S. Downside totally exposed to the relationship of the establishment and law enforcement, Year see the girl but it's a assembly line and if she is hot will do 5 customers a day.
Bar like Judy or Manhattan, again get to see the goods but totally Wild West as to quality and unless you rent a hotel she is back in your den with all its associates risk. Pick a dishonest lady and you are SOL.
NLO or Rain: they have some reputation to upkeep. Yes Rain can appear crazy but she is $ hungry and won't screw the hand that feeds her unless coerced. With Rain don't mess around and just be direct and you'll be fine! Rain seemed to survive the last crackdown so at least has a track record. Yeah you have photoshopped girls in best light but once you find your favorite couple you are set so to speak..
MrClark203
07-13-18, 13:07
Hey guys,
Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.
1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?
2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?
3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?
4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?
5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?
Thanks in advance.
Hey guys,
Visiting Shanghai for business tomorrow and I have a free evening. I'm enticed by the sound of Judy's but I have a few questions.
1. Do you buy the girls drinks or am I confusing this with other places?
2. People have implied the girls rub up on you. Where does this happen? Are there dark and sticky corners for these sorts of antics? Tipping for this is few hundred RMB? Do they bring you to completion for that or are you tipping a girl for just some heavy petting?
3. Short time private room is on site or do you take girls off site? 1000-1500 negotiated with the girl? Room included?
4. Chinese girls or all foreign? What's the quality like?
5. Prime time? Is 7 or 8 pm to early for the action described above?
Thanks in advance.Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.
Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.
You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to.
They rub up against you, sometimes have let me finger them if they had a dress on (rare). I have after drinks with them reach over and kissed cleavage. Grabbed their butts. They have held my little guy through my jeans (OTC) or rubbed their butt up against him to get me horny. This is all to get you to take them out the door. It's flirting, you don't have to pay for it but if you are tying them up, they can't make a living. Some guys tip them for this. I tend not to as it used to be free, now sometimes they want you to pay for the time. The Chinese guys do it and girls flock to them more since they started. Foreign men are less interesting to them now because we don't tip for that like the chinese guys do.
No private rooms, take a cab back to your place with the girl. Short time can run 1000-1500. After you are done they will ask you for an extra 100 for taxi money. Expect that and figure it in to your bill before you leave the bar.
The price is based on how beautiful they are, how rude you are, how long you want them. I have usually gotten girls that are 7's and 8's for 1000 with 2 pops. I have paid more but rarely less. The 9's know they are 9's and hold out for closer to 1500. If you don't like the price, move on and ask another. I have gotten 7's and 8's for 1500 all night but I prefer to sleep alone so I really don't do that anymore. Prices can be lower Sunday, Monday and Tuesday night. I have had girls tell me. It's Saturday night, that's Sunday night price when I offered too little. I was there in January this year and these are the prices I paid.
The place doesn't even open until 930. The place is dead until 10 pm. The action is 10:30 to 1 am. If you see a girl you like then, take her. She may not be around after that. Typically after 1 am you are getting the girls that aren't as pretty or on their second time around.
I have taken more than 2 dozen from Judy's / Manhattans (maybe 3 dozen). I have had more good times than bad.
There are a couple ladyboys but they are pretty obvious. If you are not sure. Check the package before your final deal and walking out of the bar.
Good luck.
Usually I would tell you RTFF but I am in a charitable mood.
Judys is a bar that is 80-90% Vietnamese with 10- 20% Chinese, Kenyan and other countries occasionally, it's a pick up bar in that all girls are WG and want you to take them back to your hotel / apartment. They are ready to leave when you are and will come to you if alone in the bar.
You don't have to buy drinks as they are the same price you would pay they are not higher for the girls, they don't get a cut. I buy a few drinks to lighten the mood and enjoy the night. I used to never do that and still walked out with any girl. I don't see where it's made any difference on what they want to charge me. Don't feel you have to..First of all, thank you. I have learned all this info the hard way but for someone new to the site, all this has to be scraped off in pieces and its a lot more intimating than you think.
Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.
Also, I found Judy's quality to be higher last night than Manhattans. More 9's than usual. I also find Judy's a little less claustrophobic but I guess that's personal preference.
My only other issue with either places is its hard to select one because you know there is someone hotter out there, and you don't want to settle. Same issue as with Barney in HIMYM.
Steve 9696
07-14-18, 03:53
SamCan has all the details right on the button. I would only add that, to me, the music at Judy's was deafening, so I find Manhattan more appealing. Worth checking both of course. They are like two blocks from each other.
And I highly recommend taking a cab to The Blind Pig, which is literally less than a block from Manhattan, where you can have a starter drink and get up your energy to run the gauntlet (good food too). Most of us aren't used to being a worshipped object of desire. Get ready to feel like an Emperor and pick you a concubine or two. If you can't tell, I love it!
Midwestern
07-14-18, 10:49
Reading recent posts about Judys and Manhattens almost makes me miss the days when I used to do takeout actively. Did it for 9 years mostly in Singapore. Ipanema for girl next door quality and Brix for slightly better quality. The drill at Judys and Manhattens sound identical. But I no longer am intetested in being in loud bars, being out past 11 pm, yelling at ripoff cab drivers, being gouged on beer prices, and walking into the hotel lobby with an obvious WG (when I was younger the WGs could pass for my wife or GF but I am now in my 50's so it is obvious the WG is a WG, haha). But I do miss Viets. Hottest women on the planet IMO. Anyway, these days it is too hot to fuck. Haha. But really, this weather has killed my libido. BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?
First of all, thank you.
Second, I noticed that the prices at Judy's were cheaper. Last night, Friday Night, I got an initial offer for a 6 & 7 together for 1500 rmb. I wasn't interested as I had my eyes on someone else but I could have easily negotiated that down to 1100-1200, for 2 girls!. I took a hottie 8-9 for 800, unlimited pops, came 3 times.
You're welcome.
Yes, I have gotten better prices and my standard negotiations has always been a target of 1000/2 pops. If I want the girl and can't get the price, I will pay more. I have only paid 1500 once when I was brand new to this 5 years ago and it was for an overnight. I negotiate the pops before I leave the bar. It scares some girls away but I'm not left wanting. If I don't want or can't do 2 pops, well they win. I have seen guys get 5-6's for 600-800 RMB. I have landed a solid 8 (that banged like a 9) for 800. I had already brought a girl to my room which was nearby. I went back to just have a beer as the night was young. This girl kept hitting on me as I was the only guy alone. I kept telling other girls no. She was desperate. It was her first time and night in shanghai. It was 1 am and had no one yet. I think she was trying to hard I told her I already had popped twice and didn't have it in me. Finally she said "what you pay?" I said 800, she said ok and off we went for a really good session. I tried to hook up again but it just didn't work out.
When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.
Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.
There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.
I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types.
I point this out only to say there is a lot that goes into what you pay. That is why being nice and OCCASIONALLY being the guy willing to buy a drink doesn't hurt. If you are of that particular race, it shows you are not one of "them" and you are different. I have even bought drinks for girls I have seen in the past but don't plan to take them that night. it just to let them know I still like them. They understand if it's not going to be their night with me, just like they are not waiting for just me.
Samcan.
NightLife17
07-14-18, 13:40
BTW, what's up with NLO only being down to 7 girls? They once had about 25. I don't understand some girls quitting, because why not keep the option open?Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).
I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.
Midwestern
07-14-18, 14:30
When I bring up these good deals to show anything can happen, I was getting a lot of crap. One guy in particular saying things like. She can't be pretty, she must be old, you didn't pay that. Etc. Etc. But why do I need to lie to a bunch of faceless screen names? I didn't bother putting that in my last post. I was told by a local that 800 short time is possible almost all girls. (about 18 months ago). this is not what i have found , maybe i am too easy.
Keep in mind, the lower you go the more resentful the girl could be. This is a transaction where you want the girl happy. I have found way overpaying doesn't help however. . Keep it fair, don't be a pushover.
There is also a piece of this that is personal. Some girls will go with certain races but don't want to. They tend to charge more for them. I am not saying its right. But it happens it's usually not a prejudice to the race but to the actions. Some girls have had certain multiple experiences that have made them not want to go. (more than one guy of a certain race is rude, abusive or tries to renegotiate in the room). This makes them not want to go or at least charge more for it. That is why some guys can do better than others. It's probably the same if you are not attractive or really fat. The girl is thinking about that fat guy on top of her. They do like to breathe. Haha.
I don't name the race because I am not bashing or being prejudice. I have confirmed this on my own and Steven from the old SNG told me the same thing over a beer. some of his girls would avoid these types..Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.
BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.
Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?
Midwestern
07-14-18, 14:33
May I add Wenli64 u to your report: A very honest and reliable good looking contact.
Gregory.Yes, I can vouch for Wenli as well. She is honest and reliable. Before she advertised on here, GB shared her contact with me and it helped me survive the crackdown. Thanks, GB.
KingAmongKings
07-15-18, 00:37
Hey guys,
Just wanted to make sure if I am in transit through Shanghai that I do not need a tourist visa to enter. I have read on multiple sites tourist visa is only necessary if you are staying greater than 24 hrs. Just wanted to confirm this is true.
BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.
Sometimes I really want to throw them out too. But I've already negotiatied a two-fer! I bask in the glow, she checks her phone. Small talk, rinse wash repeat.
LOL.
Hey guys,
Just wanted to make sure if I am in transit through Shanghai that I do not need a tourist visa to enter. I have read on multiple sites tourist visa is only necessary if you are staying greater than 24 hrs. Just wanted to confirm this is true.You can get entry without a visa subject to certain rules, best to read about this on an official site as the rules can change quickly.
In a nutshell, must be from one of the eligible countries as listed, must hold an onward ticket from the same airport to a foreign destination, can only travel in a certain area in / around Shanghai. Entry without visa can be for up to 144 hours in some cases.
Just make sure you allow time firstly to get through the line for the visa exemption process to catch your onward flight. Some research on travel to and from the airport and where to go for service will help maximise your hunting time.
If already hold a China visa and you are going from Shanghai to another city in China you can clear immigration and customs.
Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).
I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.Haha, small world. Anyways, it seems that a lot of Viet girls are worried about police monitoring NLO or similar sites and don't want to advertise. I don't blame them, esp after the SNG scenario. I made a couple more contacts and have their wechats etc (already made plans to check them out next time I am in either Shanghai or Vietnam) but they don't want to make it public.
Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.
BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.
Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and than chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.
- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.
- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.
Yeah, I don't know why some bash each other on here. Those that say you are lying about getting a bargain once in a while are exactly the kinds of people that the women are avoiding and will quote a higher price to. However, I guess understand when some bash each other for paying too much. It raises the prices for all of us.
BTW, Sam, what do you do between pops? After one pop, I just want the girl to fucking leave. What do you do for 20 minutes? Ignore her while you're drinking a beer and watching TV? LOL. Just curious.
Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and thai chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.
- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.
- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.
- Ask the girl to wear lingerie.
- Try a different position.
- If nothing works, just do foreplay. You paid for the time, might as well get something out of it.
As nature would grant me, I can usually go a few times easily, 3-4 times an HR. Record was 5 in 90 minutes and thai chick lost her mind. Anyways, easiest way is to.
- Take a leak, drink fluids and freshen up.
- Make 5-10 minutes small talk.
- Ask the girl to wear lingerie.
- Try a different position.
- If nothing works, just do foreplay. You paid for the time, might as well get something out of it.And be 30 years old or less. Or bring chemicals.
Anyway, are there any FS MPs left in Shanghai? There used to be some for 500 tip. All gone now?Yes, most of the FS MPs (called GM shops) were shutdown, some even literally smashed up by the police / hired thugs (is there a difference? According to the popular Chinese forum, a few have reopened on the down-low inside residential complexes, but I dare not go.
I will PM you a couple of places I know where you can still get action. But you got to tip the girls, so it's not cheap.
Shanghai, and I think most of China, is really not the same as before last summer.
The Chinese guys on the forum keep talking about this remote village in Yunnan where they go for mongering. It's like 6+ hours of train and bus rides out of the nearest big city, which itself is already a 2+ hour flight from Shanghai. If folks will go to those lengths, it shows how much it has dried up at home.
ShanghaiLander
07-16-18, 16:21
Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).
I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.Given what happened to SNG, its boss and middle woman I can't understand how someone would do the same thing and hope it will not finish in the same way. It seems very dangerous to me especially if one is within reach of LE which is certainly the case for the girls and, I suppose, Coco, and maybe even you. Best of luck anyway I hope you know what you're doing.
Hey guys,
I will be back to SH in early August for business trip. Should be free a couple of days before being joined by colleagues.
I have lived in SH for a year awhile ago so I am very familiar with the city but I am sad to read that the mongering scene has changed a lot since my last visit.
I was hoping to go to a sauna but it seems like these places are now operating "in the dark" and prices have skyrocketed.
Do you guys know any chinese websites (I do speak and read Chinese good enough) where I could get some wechat IDs of saunas managers?
All the websites I used in the past are now shut down.
Also I was planning to go to Spring massage (the one on WanPing Rd. Which I already went to) but do not know if the famous 398 massage is still on the menu. Anyone has any intel on this?
I am not a fan of Manhattan and Judys as I prefer local flavours but I will probably give it a try.
Thanks for your help.
Also I was planning to go to Spring massage (the one on WanPing Rd. Which I already went to) but do not know if the famous 398 massage is still on the menu. Anyone has any intel on this?
Thanks for your help.I've tried 5 different Spring places since the shutdown (but not Wanping), and none of them offer the 398 RMB anymore. Instead they offer 368 RMB, which is identical to the 298 RMB of last year.
Gents -.
Who's your #1 outcall provider in Shanghai?
Will be there just one night and want to make it count.
Thanks,
-HF.
Midwestern
07-17-18, 09:48
Gents -.
Who's your #1 outcall provider in Shanghai?
Will be there just one night and want to make it count.
Thanks,
-HF.Maybe try Cathy Wong. She advertises in classifieds. Other members seem to like her a lot. I guess she is adventurous and really into her craft. Full disclosure: I never partook. Her looks do not fit my tastes.
I've tried 5 different Spring places since the shutdown (but not Wanping), and none of them offer the 398 RMB anymore. Instead they offer 368 RMB, which is identical to the 298 RMB of last year.Meaning you need to tip the girl if you want more right?
KingAmongKings
07-18-18, 00:18
So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.
Meaning you need to tip the girl if you want more right?No, if you'll remember from last year, 298 RMB included, and still does, some level of service. If you tip for more, that is between you and the girl.
So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.
They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.
So given all the crackdown talk, I might just Wana get a regular massage LOL. Anyone know a place that is good and relatively cheap. I like the shiatsu places where they walk on your back if any fellow mongers can help out.You can literally walk a block or two in any direction to find a regular massage joint. Even Spring has regular massages. Then there are also the other franchises such as yili, fudi, dragonfly, Yu, Zen, and a host of others.
KingAmongKings
07-18-18, 13:26
Thanks for your reply, but the chain did not show up.
If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.
They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.
If you like Thai Yoga (with back walking), I recommend this chain.
They are all over the city. Get the Thai massage with Senior Technician. No oil, just a good strong massage and stretching. If you use Dianping, you can see which girl is popular and make a reservation. Strictly legit, so don't bother trying any funny business.Drat. Forgot Chinese characters don't display without some faffing. Its pinyin name is Jun Yue Fu Qiao. Typing that it will bring it up on Dianping.
No, if you'll remember from last year, 298 RMB included, and still does, some level of service. If you tip for more, that is between you and the girl.I've never actually tried the 298 routine. Always went for the 398, which included body to body massage, nippples licking and HJ.
The masseuse being naked.
I wish to find the same kind of service.
Can you tell me what's included in 298? Does she undress completely?
Thanks for your time and help.
Given the state of NLO (almost no girls left, and quite frankly not the best ones), if anyone has direct contact to share, please PM me; and I will also share mine (Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Singapore).
Coco, the hotline girl is taking a 'leave of absence'; maybe for 2 months, maybe longer. Which means I don't have someone who can act as a middle man (. Woman). Means all the Chinese girls are out of the picture for awhile, even though girls like Cherry & Baby are still working. (So if someone really wants; drop me a mail). Besides that in this summer period, there is very less customers. So apologies for that. I am not a huge experienced monger like a lot of people here; I am definitely not Steven. So it's harder for me to find new girls already. Any suggestions are always welcome. (One of the members here recently gave me a good contact; it is hugely appreciated).
I hope things pick back up in September. Again apologies.
Hey Ravij, any way to contact you to exchange contacts? It seems impossible to PM you.
Haha, small world. Anyways, it seems that a lot of Viet girls are worried about police monitoring NLO or similar sites and don't want to advertise. I don't blame them, esp after the SNG scenario. I made a couple more contacts and have their wechats etc (already made plans to check them out next time I am in either Shanghai or Vietnam) but they don't want to make it public.
You can literally walk a block or two in any direction to find a regular massage joint. Even Spring has regular massages. Then there are also the other franchises such as yili, fudi, dragonfly, Yu, Zen, and a host of others.Fudi is not really a regular massage shop, but closer to spring in experience (but girls won't take tips). Were others on your list like this? I haven't tried, other that dragonfly, which I think is totally legit.
I lived in Suzhou for 5+ years but moved back to the USA. Still get to Shanghai for work but not Suzhou and have been frustrated with the level of service and prices in Shanghai. Luckily one of the ladies I saw regularly in Suzhou moved with another lady to Shanghai and they do massage out of their apartment. I was a little worried the first time because it is a very Chinese sort of apartment and area, but it turned out well. Seems not having a direct Mama-san leaves them both giving better service than when in Suzhou. Anyway, PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.
The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.
Fudi is not really a regular massage shop, but closer to spring in experience (but girls won't take tips). Were others on your list like this? I haven't tried, other that dragonfly, which I think is totally legit.Well I personally have Fudi leaning towards more on the side of being regular massage joint. I wouldn't go there for he. You are correct in stating there is no tipping but nor would you get a he for one of the lower priced massages. I'd say there's a definite difference from Spring which has more options and the masseuses look more provocative.
As for other 'veggie' joints, like Kangdi or Kangdao, although rare, there have been instances where he has been offered if tipped. Keep in mind, as we all should know already, most legit masseuses won't have the look or the demeanor of someone who regularly gives tug jobs.
K.
Midwestern
07-22-18, 02:09
, PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.
The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.You need to be a paid member to receive PM.
Well I personally have Fudi leaning towards more on the side of being regular massage joint. I wouldn't go there for he. You are correct in stating there is no tipping but nor would you get a he for one of the lower priced massages. I'd say there's a definite difference from Spring which has more options and the masseuses look more provocative.
K.OK, perhaps it depends on the shop. My regular Fudi shop only ever has guy customers, and then they always have the door window covered over with their red drape. The girls wear this kinda provocative flight-attendant uniform, and some of them are really cute.
Joeybagadonutz
07-22-18, 17:44
I lived in Suzhou for 5+ years but moved back to the USA. Still get to Shanghai for work but not Suzhou and have been frustrated with the level of service and prices in Shanghai. Luckily one of the ladies I saw regularly in Suzhou moved with another lady to Shanghai and they do massage out of their apartment. I was a little worried the first time because it is a very Chinese sort of apartment and area, but it turned out well. Seems not having a direct Mama-san leaves them both giving better service than when in Suzhou. Anyway, PM me and I'll send you the WeChat info and a photo or two. The massage is 60 minutes with he included for no tip. I think more is on the table if you want to tip too, but certainly just for he it is a pretty good service. They go the extra mile to tease and build you up, much better than a lot of places I have been to.
The one who does the talking on WeChat is called Yang Yang and you have to translate on WeChat to communicate, she doesn't speak any English. She sends you the location on WeChat and from there it is easy. The work out of XuHui District near CaoHeJing Street and Nanning Road on the south west side sorta by the south train station.Heading to Suzhou in early August, I see the Suzhou thread has gone silent. Not sure if this is due to the crackdown or not, but I look forward to sharing some reports once I hit the ground. Will be spending a day in Shanghai before Suzhou and am planning to hit a couple of Spring locations. I figure worst case scenario I will get a good massage after the flight, hopefully more!
FantasizeMe
07-23-18, 16:29
Hi Ravji,
Is there any way to contact you. Your PM is not active. I am from India and visiting SNG. Need some help on pointers and other info.
Ga Marky Mark
07-24-18, 01:36
Heading to Suzhou in early August, I see the Suzhou thread has gone silent. Not sure if this is due to the crackdown or not, but I look forward to sharing some reports once I hit the ground. Will be spending a day in Shanghai before Suzhou and am planning to hit a couple of Spring locations. I figure worst case scenario I will get a good massage after the flight, hopefully more!I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.
Back in Shanghai after a few months in the States. Not much new to add to the previous reports about crackdown, lack of options, etc. Even some of my previous standards have gone silent on WeChat, etc. It appears the crackdown is part of a larger societal tightening including social credit scores for citizen, fingerprint scans for "foreigners" upon arrival, VPN blockage financial credit tightening, etc. While history says that things will loosen up again, or reappear in other formats, channel etc in the mongering area, it sure has taken the fun out of Shanghai for the time being. I will continue to look for good options and report back on any keepers.
Joeybagadonutz
07-24-18, 13:03
I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.Awesome, thanks Mark. Do you find that you need good Chinese language skills in Suzhou to meet girls? Which hotels do you have the best luck in meeting lobby girls? I will be at the Intercontinental, so due east of Jinji. Is the massage place you mentioned in the pants building? Thanks brother!
Ga Marky Mark
07-25-18, 00:52
Awesome, thanks Mark. Do you find that you need good Chinese language skills in Suzhou to meet girls? Which hotels do you have the best luck in meeting lobby girls? I will be at the Intercontinental, so due east of Jinji. Is the massage place you mentioned in the pants building? Thanks brother!All my communication is done on WeChat, it has a translator. Although not perfect you can get the jest of what they are saying and they also can get the jest of what you want. After we do meet most of them have a translator app on their phone where you can speak and it will translate back, I also have one. That and facial expressions work great and also hand gestures, LOL.
The hotel is good, also take some walks around the lake and smile and try and start up conversations with girls that smile back and not nose into their phone.
No massage place is not in the Pants building or the huge mall below, typically they are on side streets. The ideal place are buildings that have KTV and a massage place adjacent to them or on the same floor.
Bad Boy Billy
07-25-18, 22:56
Any chance this Suzhou crap can be posted in the Suzhou thread?
Midwestern
07-26-18, 04:58
Any chance this Suzhou crap can be posted in the Suzhou thread?I totally agree. And why not pay 20 bux for a membership and move your personal convos to PM? On a related note, I hope the China threads do not become like the ridiculous and chaotic India threads, with posters constantly begging each other for contacts. If you have contacts, then say so and ask that anyone that is interested to PM you. Otherwise, don't beg for contacts. We have already reported numerous times, over and over, who the reliable outcalls are. Just RTFF.
Since my regular sauna pushed back up prices from a special of all girls for 1400, thought I'd experiment.
Tried this place: http://www.aishxx.biz/thread-469669-1-1.html.
From the ad. Great location on Kangding in Jingan, but they misplayed it. Led me to an apartment and let me choose from 4 ugliest. While claiming 3 hot ones were on break. Adding insult to injury, they wanted nearly 1800. Politely declined and left. The 4 they offered I "might" do as freebies, but not for that price, protruding tummies, ugly faces, etc. These girls would have been 400-500 a few years ago.
They wechatted me after I left and offered a different location near Shanghai Railway Station. We'll see.
It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.
It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.
Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.
Since my regular sauna pushed back up prices from a special of all girls for 1400, thought I'd experiment.
Tried this place: http://www.aishxx.biz/thread-469669-1-1.html.
From the ad. Great location on Kangding in Jingan, but they misplayed it. Led me to an apartment and let me choose from 4 ugliest. While claiming 3 hot ones were on break. Adding insult to injury, they wanted nearly 1800. Politely declined and left. The 4 they offered I "might" do as freebies, but not for that price, protruding tummies, ugly faces, etc. These girls would have been 400-500 a few years ago.
They wechatted me after I left and offered a different location near Shanghai Railway Station. We'll see.
Just returned to Miami from a week long biz trip to Shanghai. Despite best efforts no good quality, affordable, safe fun to be found. Amazing change in atmosphere in a few months time. I guess only an authoritarian government can effectively enforce not only a crackdown, but instill a sense of fear into normally adventurous mongers and providers. GFE saunas gone underground, massage seems mostly legit, bar girls drink rip offs only, etc. Finding good fun is hit and miss at best. Prices rival USA. Maybe the intense summer heat and humidity even at night has everyone in a funk and we can hope for better things in the Fall, but for now, the playground is closed unless you want to overpay and under enjoy.
Beijing4987
07-28-18, 19:02
What is the status of the BJ "spa" on Changshou road in Jingan? Any reports?
Just returned to Miami from a week long biz trip to Shanghai. Despite best efforts no good quality, affordable, safe fun to be found. Amazing change in atmosphere in a few months time. I guess only an authoritarian government can effectively enforce not only a crackdown, but instill a sense of fear into normally adventurous mongers and providers. GFE saunas gone underground, massage seems mostly legit, bar girls drink rip offs only, etc. Finding good fun is hit and miss at best. Prices rival USA. Maybe the intense summer heat and humidity even at night has everyone in a funk and we can hope for better things in the Fall, but for now, the playground is closed unless you want to overpay and under enjoy.Did you happen to try Manhattan or Judy's? It seems like they are possibly the best option right now. I'm just wondering if taking Judy's or Manhattan girls back to the hotel is still reasonably safe. It feels like a while since someone reported back on Judy's and Manhattans. I'll be there in a couple of weeks and will also report back.
Midwestern
07-29-18, 01:46
It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.
It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.
Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.I sent you a PM with my Wechat ID.
It's really hit and miss these days with all the internet marketing. But the trends seem to have sauna coming back with addition of many serve out of the apartments. I haven't tried too many of them. It may be good to start a Shanghai wechat group so we can share the info? I got a few good contacts we can share.
It has been a while. I visited one in the apartment and the services were pretty good. The girl is a solid 8 in look but the service is so so.
Kind bring me back to the memory of apartment girls a decade back. Those were the good time and a lot more fun.Happy to participate if you want to start a wechat group. There's definitely still action, but harder to find.
Midwestern
07-29-18, 05:00
Happy to participate if you want to start a wechat group. There's definitely still action, but harder to find.Yes, lets do this. I sent both you guys a PM with my wechat ID.
Jude Bright
07-29-18, 17:22
Yes, lets do this. I sent both you guys a PM with my wechat ID.Hi Guys, I would like to join the wechat group. I will pass through shanghai next month and will stay for 1 night. Planning to hit sauna in Changning where the papa has send me the info. Do not know what condition is as the last time I visited this place was more than a year ago before the crackdown. I have address and will share through PM.
Enjoy if you can.
Jb.
Did you happen to try Manhattan or Judy's? It seems like they are possibly the best option right now. I'm just wondering if taking Judy's or Manhattan girls back to the hotel is still reasonably safe. It feels like a while since someone reported back on Judy's and Manhattans. I'll be there in a couple of weeks and will also report back.Yes J and M are still options and just about the only reliable ones, IMO. Not aware of any new hotel girl issues (assume hotel is historically girl friendly, still is). Seems the biggest issue in that scenario is higher prices because of fewer options. Bottom line is that SH is not as much fun, not as safe from LE, and certainly not as affordable as it once was. Frankly, it was so hot, humid and smoggy that I couldn't wait to leave, contrary to my pleasant trips in the past and great hospitality from my Chin biz partners, as usual. I believe things will eventually improve, but the crackdown may represent a shift in long term policy that some call the "fun police state". Many things viewed by Beijing as corrupt indulgences. Golf, nice cars, designer clothes, fancy biz meals, KTV and saunas for both locals and foreigners as now seriously frowned upon. Given the mandatory fingerprinting at the airport for foreigners the intimidation factor is substantial. My advice save the activities for somewhere less expensive and "safer" in all respects.
Thanks TechAdv76 for the reply / info!
BTW, I do fully realize I'm a newbie in here and I haven't yet built up any credit. I am however not new to the hobby (been active since taking a girl home from Harmony Theater in NYC back in the mid 90's). But I absolutely promise to post reviews / info after my Shanghai trip in a couple of weeks. I have a couple more questions I'the really appreciate some inputs on.
1) Currently I am booked into the Paramount Gallery Hotel. Apparently it is a 10-15 minute walk from J and M. Is this hotel considered WG friendly? Will I have to walk past reception to get to the elevators / room?
2) If I am returning with a WG, is it best to walk in separately, or together (I'm 44, and yeah, although I'm in decent shape, I think most people would not look at me and a J or M girl and think we were just a regular couple).
Ok, I'm going to chance my arm and ask one more question.
3) Given the choice of going to J or M and scoring a hot 8 or 9, or just venturing down to the hotel bar and finding a 7 for a similar price, I'the probably opt for the 7 in the hotel bar (just less hassle). Is the hotel bar (at a place like Paramount Gallery) an option?
BTW, if Paramount Gallery is not WG friendly, is there another option (other than Portman Ritz) close to J and M?
Joeybagadonutz
07-30-18, 16:12
Thanks TechAdv76 for the reply / info!
BTW, I do fully realize I'm a newbie in here and I haven't yet built up any credit. I am however not new to the hobby (been active since taking a girl home from Harmony Theater in NYC back in the mid 90's). But I absolutely promise to post reviews / info after my Shanghai trip in a couple of weeks. I have a couple more questions I'the really appreciate some inputs on.
1) Currently I am booked into the Paramount Gallery Hotel. Apparently it is a 10-15 minute walk from J and M. Is this hotel considered WG friendly? Will I have to walk past reception to get to the elevators / room?
2) If I am returning with a WG, is it best to walk in separately, or together (I'm 44, and yeah, although I'm in decent shape, I think most people would not look at me and a J or M girl and think we were just a regular couple).I have never had an issue with hotels in China giving me a hard time about bringing girls back. Make sure you book your room with 2 guests not just 1. The Radisson properties (Xing Guo and New World), Hilton and Portman ritz are all girl friendly. Will also state that it has been 2 years since I have been in Shanghai, things may have changed. Will be there in a few days, will let you know if I have issues.
Most hotel bars are extremely hit or miss, found one good massage girl in Shanghai, but the rest were pretty rough.
I have a friend that stays at the Shangri-La and has brought back girls with no problems.
Good luck!
As for why:
http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml
https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/
Midwestern
07-31-18, 02:54
As for why:
http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml
https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/Thanks for the heads up. Your weather forecasts are always accurate.
As for why:
http://english.mofcom.gov.cn/article/exhibitioninfo/domesticfairs/201801/20180102700972.shtml
https://www.shine.cn/news/metro/1807289525/.Makes sense that international invite trade fair would lead to windy weather, just like our political conventions lead to homeless roundups, etc. In host cities. However, Beijing has mandated a shift toward less overt indulgence of wealth (golf, designer shopping, fancy cars, etc.) and decadence (you define), so the weather is windy all over China. Look at reports from other cities, all seem to be windier than usual.
I hope this wind is not the "new normal", but it may be.
Finally got registered.
Aroma Spa indeed is "on" and good.
358; 70 mins comes with good massage & he. Addtl tip for full naked & roaming. FS is definitely on, need to nego. Though, not yet tried at shop.
Mine was #80. Will not repeat; for there are other choices. Opens at noon, best time is ard early afternoon.
Have fun & stay safe.
Member #4571
08-01-18, 15:21
Hey guys,
I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.
DoItUnderwater
08-01-18, 19:45
Shanghai is a big city. A little more location info would be a big help.
Finally got registered.
Aroma Spa indeed is "on" and good.
358; 70 mins comes with good massage & he. Addtl tip for full naked & roaming. FS is definitely on, need to nego. Though, not yet tried at shop.
Mine was #80. Will not repeat; for there are other choices. Opens at noon, best time is ard early afternoon.
Have fun & stay safe.
DoItUnderwater
08-01-18, 19:48
What is the status of the BJ "spa" on Changshou road in Jingan? Any reports?Hey Beijing,
When I was there in May, everything was normal. Heading back in a couple weeks and will report if I have time to visit Changshou Lu.
Hey guys,
I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.I would not pay in advance.
Hey guys,
I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.Mimi is the real deal, sassy, fit little lady with implants. Met her once and continue to tease me through wechat.
My most memorable memory beyond my pictures of her in red heels and butt naked, is great BBJCiM and after DATY "I so horny boom boom time".
I would pay at beginning of date but not before hand. Perhaps suggest a meet up and coffee to size things up.
Good luck, if she shows up it should be good, YMMV.
Shanghai is a big city. A little more location info would be a big help.Oops. It was reported by a senior member previously.
Its on Xietu Road (Luban Road). A row of shops (part of a housing compound) directly opposite Century Mart supermarket (super huge one).
Line 4; luban Road exit; head to xietu Road.
Jude Bright
08-01-18, 23:36
Hey guys,
I'm going to be in Shanghai for a few days next month and I contacted a provider I found online named Mimi Tram. I'm in the middle of setting up an appointment over email when she asks me for an almost 50% deposit to hold the spot. I'm not very familiar with how these things work so I agreed to proceed. The thing is, after I added her on venmo, I was sent a request and charge for the amount from a random guy. After a little while it canceled the charge, presumably switched accounts and then sent me the charge again but through her account. I haven't paid anything yet, but I'm pretty sketched out. Do you guys think I'm bring scammed or is this normal? She is verified on a couple websites and has like 12 reviews, although all from the last 2 years.I would not pay in advance.
Jb.
Oops. It was reported by a senior member previously.
Its on Xietu Road (Luban Road). A row of shops (part of a housing compound) directly opposite Century Mart supermarket (super huge one).
Line 4; luban Road exit; head to xietu Road.Update: I went back and it's closed today. Heard from girls contact; totally closed down.
My report was based on my earlier visit.
Damn. Lost another gem.
Update: I went back and it's closed today. Heard from girls contact; totally closed down.
My report was based on my earlier visit.
Damn. Lost another gem.I have double verified; shop is not closed. Apologies for my misleading posting. I went there early noon; shop in total darkness. Called a girl who worked there; and she played a prank.
Confirmed they opened late and shop is operational last night. I'll triple confirm by going there again these few days and will report. Sorry for misleading.
John The Lover
08-03-18, 18:45
Hello Gents,
Long time lurker and first time post. Was in Shanghai for several days and thanks for the detailed info in previous pages, was able to understand the "windy weather" that is now prevalent and the do / don't, who / who not. Since I speak zero Chinese, my language help was an app. So, I figured out that venturing in a lot of the places mentioned might be a challenge. I tried once to reach 76 Changshou and gave up.
Per the various recommendations, I had WenLi come to my hotel. Nothing to add to what has already been said. She is quite good, especially at rimming.
By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in. I could not utter a word in Chinese and neither could they in English. So I ended up with a regular foot massage for less than 200 RMB. Then I tried to ask the foot masseuse for "extras" (using the app) and she said that I can get extra from the "other girls" for 260 RMB, which I did, and I finally understood that you can directly ask for "massage with oil" for 260 RMB and you will get the "other girls".
Pros: a good he is included in the 260 RMB; the girl has to spent 45 minutes in the room; if you are done before the time, they will ask you not to leave and will continue to massage or sit with you till the 45 minutes are over; there are a variety of girls, between 4 and 7; roaming is allowed.
Cons: massage is so-so; massage beds are not the cleanest (had to get back to the hotel and take a shower every time); there was no line up every time I went. Maybe they could do one if asked, especially since the girls are in the 4-7; did not ask for line up because it was already awkward conversing through the app;.
As a note, all the mongers that I ran into when entering or exiting were all Chinese. I did not see any foreigner (beside myself). All girls that I had the various times I went there were "bushy". Not sure if it is a pro or con, but just what I found out.
Not sure when I will be back in your corner of the world.
Peace out gents.
While she may in fact be the real deal, there are plenty others that wouldn't require the risk. I've sent 9's home that insisted on paying before services. No way would I pay in advance.
Mimi is the real deal, sassy, fit little lady with implants. Met her once and continue to tease me through wechat.
My most memorable memory beyond my pictures of her in red heels and butt naked, is great BBJCiM and after DATY "I so horny boom boom time".
I would pay at beginning of date but not before hand. Perhaps suggest a meet up and coffee to size things up.
Good luck, if she shows up it should be good, YMMV.
I concur on not paying anything in advance. There are also services online which offer take-out and ask for a deposit. I strongly advise against that as well. I would understand if they arrive and they aren't to you liking and then asking for cab fare, then that to me would be acceptable. Other than that, I wouldn't pay for anything until after being serviced.
Hello Gents,
Long time lurker and first time post. Was in Shanghai for several days and thanks for the detailed info in previous pages, was able to understand the "windy weather" that is now prevalent and the do / don't, who / who not. Since I speak zero Chinese, my language help was an app. So, I figured out that venturing in a lot of the places mentioned might be a challenge. I tried once to reach 76 Changshou and gave up.
Per the various recommendations, I had WenLi come to my hotel. Nothing to add to what has already been said. She is quite good, especially at rimming.
By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in. I could not utter a word in Chinese and neither could they in English. So I ended up with a regular foot massage for less than 200 RMB. Then I tried to ask the foot masseuse for "extras" (using the app) and she said that I can get extra from the "other girls" for 260 RMB, which I did, and I finally understood that you can directly ask for "massage with oil" for 260 RMB and you will get the "other girls"..What is shop number of this shop? Can you please PM me. Thanks.
Playboy2000
08-04-18, 10:11
I spend all of my time in Suzhou and have found a number of wonderful girls. I am quite familiar with places east of Jinji Lake and 'The Pants' building. There is a special massage place that if you kinda of tell them what you are looking and look non-native for the right price you are in. But I typically don't to them unless I am looking for a normal massage or foot massage. My best luck has been through WeChat and also hanging out in the lobby of the hotel. They seem to like to hang out in the hotel lobbies certain nights of the week. I have even had them just walk up behind me and follow me up the elevator.I assume you tried the dancehalls? They can be great fun if you speak some Chinese.
What are the places East of Jinji lake? MPs? Do you have street names? What is the "pants building"?
By chance I stumbled on a place that was just a block from my hotel, it was written on the side "foot, bath massage" and I decided to venture in.
Cons: massage is so-so; massage beds are not the cleanest (had to get back to the hotel and take a shower every time); there was no line up every time I went. Maybe they could do one if asked, especially since the girls are in the 4-7; did not ask for line up because it was already awkward conversing through the app;.
Peace out gents.Could you be a bit more specific about the location? It sounds like a fairly standard MP service for China, so I don't think naming them will get them in any LE trouble. Also, lineups are not the done thing in MPs, but you are free to request a different girl if the one they assign you is not to your liking, and doing this more than once is also OK. Lineups are a Sauna thing (but not many of those left these days).
I reported a while ago about this place that now seems to be mentioned here a few more times. I went there tonight and got two pops. One laying down with an ass massage and some subtle fingering (not my thing but I enjoyed it). Once I flipped about 20 minutes later little John was up again. I asked for FS and ended up paying a 600 cny tip. I know it's a bit high but this little skinny girl was perfect and I couldn't resist. She has no "number" but just ask the manager for a short skinny girl and you will get her.
Won't go into more details, but there you go. A new gem!
Xietu Road and Luban road. The shop is near a compound. Across a big Lianhua / Supermarket.
ShanghaiLander
08-06-18, 06:28
Quite a few freelancers or semi pros at Mint last Saturday. Even though I was with a girldfriend I got appoached 5 times in 1 hour including by a stunning Chinese woman, naked under her sleeveless jacket: I'm still seeing cleavage and side boobs. Coudn't convince GF to ask her if she was open to 3 p, didn't get her contact. May have been too expensive anyway given her apparent lack of success.
RaviJambua
08-06-18, 07:39
Hi,
Finally got my account working. I have contacts for a few Viet girls working in Shanghai, PM me for details. They aren't super-cheap but a few of them are super-good!
Yes J and M are still options and just about the only reliable ones, IMO. Not aware of any new hotel girl issues (assume hotel is historically girl friendly, still is). Seems the biggest issue in that scenario is higher prices because of fewer options. Bottom line is that SH is not as much fun, not as safe from LE, and certainly not as affordable as it once was. Frankly, it was so hot, humid and smoggy that I couldn't wait to leave, contrary to my pleasant trips in the past and great hospitality from my Chin biz partners, as usual. I believe things will eventually improve, but the crackdown may represent a shift in long term policy that some call the "fun police state". Many things viewed by Beijing as corrupt indulgences. Golf, nice cars, designer clothes, fancy biz meals, KTV and saunas for both locals and foreigners as now seriously frowned upon. Given the mandatory fingerprinting at the airport for foreigners the intimidation factor is substantial. My advice save the activities for somewhere less expensive and "safer" in all respects.Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.
On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.
Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.
On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.Completely agree. I am sure that human nature (lust and greed) will eventually bring a fun resurgence, but for now it is best to find a regular if possible to avoid the disappointments that comes from blind dates, not to mention the safety factor on all fronts.
Midwestern
08-07-18, 09:58
Based on recent reports of this place, I decided to check it out. Easy to find. Address is 638 Xietu Lu. On the Didi app, you can just search for Century Mart Luban branch, as the spa is directly across the street from it, as a poster previously described. Menu is mostly in Chinese, but there was something called Aroma Spa, which was for 80 minutes and 358 rmb. However, I was told to go with the 70 minute 368 rmb option. Whatever. I like shorter sessions anyway. In the room, there is a shower, but it does not work, so I had to shower down the hall. Back in the room, in blue paper shorts, I am on my front, and the oil massage is so-so, but after 20 minutes, I get a very good cock massage that lasts for at least 5 minutes. The provider is trying hard to get me to pop, but I resist the urge because I wanted to find out if sex was available. I am in my 50's and so I cannot pop twice within an hour. The provider finally gives up trying to make me pop and lets out a loud sigh, and so she is obviously annoyed. She told me to flip. And while she is caressing me as I am on my back, she says she can take her top off if I tip her. I ask her for sex, and she said no way, and that it is not available at her shop. Ha. Liar. Anyway, I got up and showered and left. I was only there for 35-40 minutes total. I didn't even want to fuck her, because she was not pretty and kinda fat, but I was willing to do so to find out if sex was available at this shop. I saw a few other providers, and no one looked very good. Another poster also mentioned that he would not repeat with his provider. I believe other posters that said they got laid at this shop, so this is obviously a YMMV thing. But based on the girls that I saw and my own experience, I may not return. Well, I may return one more time if others continue reporting positive things about this place, hahaha. But in the meantime, let’s hold off on calling this place a gem. There are many many jack shacks in Shanghai where you can occasionally get lucky and get sex from a 3. FWIW, my provider was number 59.
Based on recent reports of this place, I decided to check it out. Easy to find. Address is 638 Xietu Lu. On the Didi app, you can just search for Century Mart Luban branch, as the spa is directly across the street from it, as a poster previously described. Menu is mostly in Chinese, but there was something called Aroma Spa, which was for 80 minutes and 358 rmb. However, I was told to go with the 70 minute 368 rmb option. Whatever. I like shorter sessions anyway. In the room, there is a shower, but it does not work, so I had to shower down the hall. Back in the room, in blue paper shorts, I am on my front, and the oil massage is so-so, but after 20 minutes, I get a very good cock massage that lasts for at least 5 minutes. The provider is trying hard to get me to pop, but I resist the urge because I wanted to find out if sex was available. I am in my 50's and so I cannot pop twice within an hour. The provider finally gives up trying to make me pop and lets out a loud sigh, and so she is obviously annoyed. She told me to flip. And while she is caressing me as I am on my back, she says she can take her top off if I tip her. I ask her for sex, and she said no way, and that it is not available at her shop. Ha. Liar. Anyway, I got up and showered and left. I was only there for 35-40 minutes total. I didn't even want to fuck her, because she was not pretty and kinda fat, but I was willing to do so to find out if sex was available at this shop. I saw a few other providers, and no one looked very good. Another poster also mentioned that he would not repeat with his provider..Thanks for the candid review.
Midwestern
08-07-18, 14:26
Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont.You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.
I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?
StinkyFeet
08-07-18, 18:49
I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?Last time I saw BBS was up in dongbei last year. Southern area is completely wiped out. Didn't see any in jinjiang, quanzhou, guilin either.
WanderMan68
08-08-18, 03:02
You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.MW,
I am with you. I occasionally had room service mostly when I wanted to get laid and did not have other options in cities that I am not familiar with. If in Beijing, I would rather go to Maggie's. Room service cost seems uniform, 2 K, but sometime a 2 shows up. I often regretted afterwards, but what can I do? I was not using the right body part to think at the time.
WanderMan68
08-08-18, 03:10
You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.Sometimes, I had to have a regular massage first before getting a FS girl. That also adds to the cost.
You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.You're definitely not the only one overpaying for room service. I've done only a bit; most of my hotel stays have been in Shanghai where there are other options. Used to stay at the Jinling in Nanjing and they had hotel massage that was OK; it was quite a while ago and remember price being steep. Could occasionally get a he at the hotel spa in Kempinski Yinchuan in 2016, but way overpriced. A few years back (2008 - 2014) I spent a lot of time in small city of Jiangmen in Guangdong (sort of between Dongguan and Zhuhai). Used to stay at the Yucca Hotel there and the hotel in-room massage service was decent. He was always on the menu (with a 200 - 300 tip), and FS was hit or miss (about half girls would go for it for a 600 - 800 tip).
You seem to have stayed at quite a few Chinese hotels. Have your tried ordering a massage girl to your room from the hotel spa? This is what I always do when I travel within China, and I would say that 80% of time FS is available, but for a steep markup. But sometimes the convenience is worth the steep markup. For example, if it's midnight and I want to get laid, do I want to trudge to Maggie's and get a 7 and pay her 1500, or do I want to just call "room service" and get a 4 and pay her 2000, knowing that she'll be in my room in a few minutes? I'll probably take the latter. On a related note, I'm a little surprised at the lack of hotel "room service" reports. I usually leave a report when I get laid via room service. Am I the only one willing to pay 2000 for a 4 for just the convenience? Maybe I'm lazy. I'm definitely not rich. But when it's midnight and if I'm drunk, then almost any pussy will do, even an expensive one on a 4.If one is tired and lazy and got 2 k to blow, why not WeChat nearby function. Never fails that I seem to get an invite from an agent or two with offering. Of course talent and price is variable but I have sampled from 600-1.5 K but never what I would call a 2/5 looks, usually passable 3/5, skill and enthusiasm seen 2/5, LOL and that has made me never do it again no matter what LB is thinking or wanting LOL.
Schelmik01
08-10-18, 04:04
All,
I am new to the forum and (relatively) new to SH, living and working there for 6 months speak some Chinese these days, taking 1:1 lessons. I had a tryout at J&M two weeks ago, staying at the Portman for convenience. Booked through trip.com to get some good last minute rates.
Both clubs had some good action going on, with lots of nice girls. I found Manhattan more relaxed, found some people at the bar to chat to. Nice to stay there for a while and watch the action.
No problem with the hotel, we were a bit discreet and just happened to be in the same elevator.
Around midnight Nanyang / Tongren Road gets a little bit so so, danger of pickpocketing according to the girls. Best is to take only a bit of cash with you if you stay close by.
Good are to have some fun, will repeat at one point.
AdvancedPerson
08-10-18, 22:44
Hello fellow mongers,
I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.
I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.
I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.
From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.
Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).
Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?
Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?
I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?
Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.
My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.
Midwestern
08-11-18, 14:33
Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?
.Yes, it is really that easy. If you use WeChat's search people nearby function, then you will immediately be bombarded with indies and pimps. But read Tyb60 's report just below. They never look like the pictures, and the service almost invariably sux. Don't take my word for it, it is a consensus opinion if you go through many pages of various China threads. If you want to fuck WGs in your hotel room, then try M or J for takeout or read the last 10 pages of the forum for reliable indies. I think many of us are staying away from agencies and ordering from MPs these days, especially using WeChat, which is easily monitored, because of a recent arrest of a well known agnency owner and because of anticipated windy weather. That's my 2 cents.
Steve 9696
08-11-18, 15:05
Hello fellow mongers,
I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.
I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.
I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.
From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.
Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).
Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?
Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?
I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?
Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.
My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.If you have 1500ST I would highly recommend Manhattan. And that is the standard ST rate. I am sure others may say WeChat or whatever which is cool for them. But for me I like to see the girls up close and personal and not risk a no show or bait and switch with my very limited time. Plus the experience itself of being a truly sought after guy at the club is great fun by itself, which most of us have not experienced before. You will feel truly loved! 😀.
There is of course no real guarantee of CIM and YMMV. My experience is the younger ones are more likely to give full on GFE and not try to get by short changing you. My last girl there was a college student (believable) and whereas she politely declined DATY (no biggie for me) her DFK and BBBJ were passionate and enthusiastic, with CIM finish. 1500 plus 200 tip if I recall.
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Yes, it is really that easy. If you use WeChat's search people nearby function, then you will immediately be bombarded with indies and pimps. But read Tyb60 's report just below. They never look like the pictures, and the service almost invariably sux. Don't take my word for it, it is a consensus opinion if you go through many pages of various China threads. If you want to fuck WGs in your hotel room, then try M or J for takeout or read the last 10 pages of the forum for reliable indies. I think many of us are staying away from agencies and ordering from MPs these days, especially using WeChat, which is easily monitored, because of a recent arrest of a well known agnency owner and because of anticipated windy weather. That's my 2 cents.Agreed. Things are unpredictable in China right now and us "foreigners" are carefully monitored. Err on the cautious side, even if more expensive!
cathyshanghai.com
Hello fellow mongers,
I am new to the Shanghai thread (been reading a lot) but not new to the mongering scene.
I'm going to Shanghai for about 5-6 days in about 10 days.
I wanted to ask a couple of questions about those MPs offering full service for around 1200 plus taxi.
From what I'm reading, they are decreasing, but from the websites, there are at least 7-8 various websites with different girls.
Can anyone share their experience, recommendations on which websites have the best quality girls and what to expect from the full service? (extras like CIM, rimming).
Also, is it that easy to just use wechat, agree on price and service with girl, meet at Lobby or in front of hotel to make sure she looks like the "selfies" she will have hopefully sent and then come up with me?
Finally, for outcall to my hotel, would there be any recommendations on using m-republic or other specific websites that have cute-ish girls that do accept CIM, rimming etc for around 1,500 ?
I also saw some submissive website, anyone try those or know their prices?
Your feedback will be rewarded with pictures, full daily reports and any info I can gather that would be of help.
My main focus will be on outcall BTW, and I'd like to limit my per hour cost to 1,500 per girl if that's doable.
Been very busy lately and not able to report anything. I have been traveling Shanghai and China for twenty years, close to 6 trips and 75 night every year in China.
Will hang it up soon. The MP's, Judy's and Manhattans are a waste of time and money. When the time comes I should auction my Black Book off. Ha ha ha.
Badoo is a great site to work on in your spare time, you can find the Viets that hang out at Manhattans and Judy there. Make contact and have them visit you. Same price.
I have found some very interesting girls on Badoo. Anyone that posts her We Chat is an 80% sure thing. I stay in Pudong. Never a problem to have them Taxi over to the hotel.
When you take into consideration the time and money for the taxi and drinks, 1500-1800 for them to come to you is a good deal. And your on your own turf. (overnight is around 1800-2000).
I met a little gal sometime back, from poor family, skinny has hell. Loves to do anything, she is into porn. So she comes over, next morning she shows me her phone with a pair of glasses.
She needs, 300 rmb, that's all she wanted.
And I said "wanted", just the glasses. I could of said no and sent her home.
Of course I gave her 1500, she thought I was a KING. Now see her every other trip, she is very pleasing.
Guys just do your home work with these dating sites, after a while you will have 40-50 contacts. Problem is you have to keep in touch via WE CHAT.
HAPPY Hunting!!
Hello,
I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.
So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.
Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).
I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?They are stilll loads. But you need to go to the less developed areas.
The MP's, Judy's and Manhattans are a waste of time and money.
When you take into consideration the time and money for the taxi and drinks, 1500-1800 for them to come to you is a good deal. And your on your own turf. (overnight is around 1800-2000).
Problem is you have to keep in touch via WE CHAT.Every now and then there are people like you comparing using dating sites to the bar / MP / Saunas / escort / usual mongering options.
It surelly is an option amongst others, but it doesn't make any sense saying MPs or bars are a "waste of time and money" when you say you end up paying 1500 to that girl and considering the chating time necessary to find and keep these contacts.
I actually understand better the guys who use dating sites to get freebies but then again we all know nothing is really free and for people who've used such sites before we all know its a huge time sink and not compatible with a busy working life and mariage.
Enjoy your dating sites but I still view MPs as much more efficient money & timewise :)
All For Bb
08-12-18, 12:39
SamCan and others.
I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:
1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?
2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.
3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.
4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.
5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?
6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.
I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.
Thanks!
You're welcome.
Yes, I have gotten better prices and my standard negotiations has always been a target of 1000/2 pops. If I want the girl and can't get the price, I will pay more. I have only paid 1500 once when I was brand new to this 5 years ago and it was for an overnight. I negotiate the pops before I leave the bar. It scares some girls away but I'm not left wanting. If I don't want or can't do 2 pops, well they win. I have seen guys get 5-6's for 600-800 RMB. I have landed a solid 8 (that banged like a 9) for 800. I had already brought a girl to my room which was nearby. I went back to just have a beer as the night was young. This girl kept hitting on me as I was the only guy alone. I kept telling other girls no. She was desperate. It was her first time and night in shanghai. It was 1 am and had no one yet. I think she was trying to hard I told her I already had popped twice and didn't have it in me. Finally she said "what you pay?" I said 800, she said ok and off we went for a really good session. I tried to hook up again but it just didn't work out...
SamCan and others.
I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:
1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?
2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.
3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.
4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.
5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?
6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.
I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.
Thanks!
I too will be in Judy's next weekend. Anyone wanting to buy SAMCAN a beer Saturday night, send me a PM. Otherwise, don't bother haha.
1. girls at judy's and Manhattans run from 20-40. I am guessing the average is 23-30 but its a guess.
2. I have never done KTV but your pricing is right for J / Ms.
3. The number of chinese customers at J / Ms has increased, The girls preference are guys with money not race.
4. Manhattan's and Judy's are behind the portman hotel (ritz carlton) located on Nanjing Lu. Take a cab there and walk a block around back. Or ask the taxi driver to take you to the blind pig restaurant / bar. Its right next door to manhattans / 2 blocks from judy's.
5. Never done an STD study, hope to never find out.
6. Judy's and Manhattans can open at 930 pm. Usually no one is in there but one or two girls you may not want. 1030 pm-1 am seems to be the prime time with the most choices. I have stayed to 230 on nights I really didn't care if I went home alone (it was after a long week of banging). Girls start to recycle by then from their first dates. It seemed like the girls were less willing to negotiate at that time. It's like they made their money on the first round and were holding back. I have heard that about 5 am prices drop way down. I have never cared to stay long enough to find out for 200-400 RMB.
I have answered your questions, you now owe us reports! that's how we all learn good experiences or bad. Share them and know none of us have had everything go perfectly. Anyone that asks me for help and doesn't provide a report is dead to me next time they ask. I learned the hard way here and I am sharing what i learned. I still got a long way to go
SAMCAN
Steve 9696
08-12-18, 20:25
SamCan and others.
I have never tried these two places and would like to give them a try next weekend. Thank you for great reports! Still I have a few questions:
1. Is that true the girls there are generally older than KTV girls? KTV girls are most in their earlier 20's but more expensive for KTV girls, about 2500 for overnight vs. 1500-2000 overnight from Judy / Manhattan. Right?
2. We need to pay at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? I usually pay KTV girls in the morning before they leaving if for LT, or after action for ST.
3. More Chinese men or more Westerner men in Judy / Manhattan as the customers? These girl prefer Chinese or Westerner customers? Just curious.
4. Exact street address? Nanyang Road? I believe addresses were posted before. Sorry for asking again.
5. I guess the STD rate for Judy / Manhattan girls are similar to KTV girls or higher at Judy / Manhattan? Because KTV girls do not go out every night?
6. One drawback for Judy / Manhattan maybe the action starts after 11:00 PM, for KTV, I can bring back a girl earlier if you know the managers, correct? As I posted earlier, the KTV I went starting at 8:00 pm, I can pick a girl and leave right after I find a girl I like, and avoid renting a room at KTV, order drink, etc, since I know the manager.
I still would like to give it a try since so many good reports on them.
Thanks!Of course as usual SamCan has solid info. I would echo the fact that there are plenty of early twenties type gals at Manhattan (I have no real Judy's experience). In fact two out of the last three I've taken fit that bill and my two mates took young ones as well. Plenty of young talent there.
As far as KTV nice if you can find it. I think you will need a Chinese insider to locate a westerner friendly KTV w takeout. I was not successful. But love Manhattan regardless. As SamCan says taxi driver may get confused. Going to Blind Pig is your best bet and a great pregame warmup.
As far as KTV nice if you can find it. I think you will need a Chinese insider to locate a westerner friendly KTV w takeout. I was not successful. But love Manhattan regardless. As SamCan says taxi driver may get confused. Going to Blind Pig is your best bet and a great pregame warmup.Show your walked and all KTVs will be westerner friendly haha, if you mean the language barrier, well, almost no girl speak English, but you can ask the staff and maybe there are some university students or foreigner girls (mainly Vietnam and east-Europe girls) that can speak English.
John The Lover
08-13-18, 06:01
In front of Crowne Plaza Hotel, next to the dealership. 1822.
Could you be a bit more specific about the location? It sounds like a fairly standard MP service for China, so I don't think naming them will get them in any LE trouble. Also, lineups are not the done thing in MPs, but you are free to request a different girl if the one they assign you is not to your liking, and doing this more than once is also OK. Lineups are a Sauna thing (but not many of those left these days).
All For Bb
08-13-18, 09:43
We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?
I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.
Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).
Will write a report if I indeed go.
I too will be in Judy's next weekend. Anyone wanting to buy SAMCAN a beer Saturday night, send me a PM. Otherwise, don't bother haha.
1. girls at judy's and Manhattans run from 20-40. I am guessing the average is 23-30 but its a guess.
2. I have never done KTV but your pricing is right for J / Ms.
3. The number of chinese customers at J / Ms has increased, The girls preference are guys with money not race.
All For Bb
08-13-18, 11:54
This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments!
Comment on a few points. I haven't seen or heard of problems with bringing girls to hotels recently. A post was asking about the Paramount. I recall reading in this forum that you can bypass the lobby to get to rooms, so particularly "friendly". Do make reservation for 2 people, as advised. Places that friends or I have hosted in the past year without incident. Portman, Kun Lun (formerly Hilton), Swissotel, Metropolo Classic on Yanan, Duxiana, Ambassador, Longemont. Only place I've seen ask girls for passport is the Baolong, across street from M. And that was only a formality.
On the general concern about prices and "windiness" driving costs. I've heard disturbing reports recently from multiple girls working the J and M scene that security at M is shaking them down for serious money (rmb 6000/ mo) for guaranteed entry. Otherwise, they get turned away regularly and seemingly randomly. I haven't heard of similar situation at J, but girls are finding it harder to get in and it isn't unusual now to see a girl tossed out for some minor infraction. After many years of splitting my time between the two, I've gravitated toward J. The vibe at M post the 2017 shutdown feels decidedly less casual and too edgy for my taste. Have heard girls refer to "mafia" there, and seems like more unsavory characters hanging around outside. You always had the touts and black cab drivers, but I now avoid the place after 1 AM and definitely wouldn't be there if I was planning on serious drinking.
This hotel (baolong, a two star hotel) is cheap and convenient (just across from M). If I book a room there, do you think I would have problem to bring a girl in midnight? Thanks for the comments!Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.
We need to pay the girl at front before actions starting when we get into hotel room? Not after the actions (KTV style is after actions)?
I will try to be there on Friday (maybe Saturday too if feel good). How much is a beer? Just curious.
Thanks much, and may see you on Saturday (don't know how to use PM).
Will write a report if I indeed go.Beer is 40 or 50 RMB. Some girls ask for money up front, others after. It varies. If first time with the girl, more likely she'll ask up front. Seldom had them ask upfront for a repeat.
PlaceKicker
08-14-18, 23:44
I tried searching this thread for barbershops or BBS, but didn't get any results. Curious if they're still a thing. I saw many before when just walking around 10 years ago, but the last few years when I was just passing through I didn't manage to see any in the areas I stayed at. I know there was a big crackdown before the olympics, just curious if they never quite came back?Stumbled upon an area seemingly intact still, randomly finding 5-6 BBS without looking for them so there could be more. Northwest from Jinshajiang / and Zhongshan (Jinshajiang station with lines 3/4/13), there's a cluster running from and Zhonghshan. Xingshan Rd. S Meiling. There also happen to be no small number of small massage shops which may or may not be in on it, but it should be hard to miss all the unmarked pink-lit storefronts.
All For Bb
08-15-18, 00:44
Girl will need to show passport at front desk and fill out a form (or have passport copied. Don't remember). But not a problem. Midnight not a problem either.Thank you much for your reply!
How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?
Thank you again.
Thank you much for your reply!
How about payment for Judy & M girls, usually before they leave (after actions) or right after getting into the hotel room before the actions (payment first)?
Thank you again.Here you are repeatedly asking these questions. Some, which have been answered already. Please stop with the questions. Here are some answers to your questions so hopefully you can move on.
Since you love going BB but won't do the deed unless you see a STD report, forget Judy's or Manhattans.
Since you're even asking about prices of beer, forget Judy's or Manhattan.
Since you seem fixated on asking about paying beforehand or after, since each girl is different, forget J and M.
My advice, stick to girls you get from the mamasans.
Thanks to those who answered my earlier questions. As promised, here's my trip report.
Although I was in China for a week, most nights I was going to be out in the sticks for work and knew I wouldn't have any opportunities those days. I was only going to be in Shanghai on Tuesday and Saturday nights. Tuesday I was still with work colleagues, so my only real opportunity was going to be Saturday. I'd already decided I wouldn't be trying Spas / MPs or KTVs. I felt J and M were the safest / best options, with an outside chance of a hotel bar providing some opportunity.
As luck would have it, I freed up around 10 pm on Tuesday evening. I was staying in a hotel over by the Bund and thought I'd try the hotel bar. I was the only one there. I had a couple of beers and I was still the only one there. Even though I'd just flown in from western Europe earlier that day I was feeling no jetlag. So I decided it'd be a good idea to head over to J and M and do some recon ahead of my Saturday night excursion. In the end, I was glad I did.
My hotel on the Bund was 15 minute drive from J and M. It is here I ran into my first challenge. Given what people had said about taxi drivers fleecing anyone going to or from J and M, I decided to have the taxi driver take me to the Portman Rizt Carlton. That didn't seem to help though. The first two cabs that stopped said they wanted 100 RMB. I declined both. The third also insisted on 100 RMB. I knew this was too much, but I figured it was just $15, and at that point I just wanted to get over to J and M. So I agreed to the 100 RMB. The guy actually ran his meter and it was at 25 RMB when we got to the Portman. I paid the quadruple fare and started walking towards J and M. Well, at least I thought I was heading in the right direction. I'd read deep into this forum and thought I had the correct addresses. But I didn't. I won't bore you with the details, but FYI, M is on Nanyang Rd and J is on Tongren Rd right at the junction of Nanyang and Tongren.
I walked around for 20 minutes before I found M. And it was hot and humid. There was a couple of very nice looking African ladies standing out on the street a few yards down from the entrance to M, but given what I've read on this forum, and past experiences in Germany, I decided I'd be steering well clear of them, which is a pity, because they were both really hot. Anyway, I was in Asia and I wanted to hang with Asian ladies.
I've had A LOT of bar experience in my lifetime, but nothing could have prepared me for M. It was 11:15 pm on a Tuesday evening and it was very busy, with a ratio of 70:30 in my favour. It should have been a fantastic experience, but for a few reasons it wasn't. Firstly, there was nowhere to sit and no room to stand at the bar. Couple that with ladies constantly coming up to me, I just wasn't able to get comfortable. Knowing me, I just could not have talked to a girl and then decided to move on, it's just not in my nature. I'd have felt obliged if I'd spent even a minute with her. I really wanted to find a spot to stand and observe before making my own move, but that wasn't going to be possible in M. I managed to get over to the bar and order a drink, and got fleeced again. The barman took my 100 RMB for a (shit) Corona and disappeared, obviously determined not to give me any change. I could have kicked up a stink and insisted on it, but it just seemed like too much hassle. There was a guy at the bar who was observing my every move, and I think he did a good job suppressing his smirk as he enjoyed this rank amateur flail about the place.
80% of the girls were a 6 or less, though most of them I'd have had no problem shagging. But none were standing out for me. I don't get this kind of opportunity very often and I really wanted to make the most of it. There were a few 7's and maybe one 8. I ended up chugging my beer and getting out of there. I walked past the two African ladies who playfully attempted to get my attention and I went into The Blind Pig to lick my wounds. I drank a beer at the bar and decided I'd finish up my recon and check out J before heading back to my hotel. By the time I'd finished my beer at the Blind Pig however, I was four beers deep and decided if I found someone I liked at J then all bets were off, this recon mission would turn into some real action.
J was a whole different experience. Much roomier and less crowded. I walked the length of the bar and the girls smiled and seemed much prettier and far less aggressive. There was one in particular who really caught my eye but I just kept walking until I found a seat at the end of the bar. I ordered a drink (barman charged me 45 RMB and gave me change) and managed to get a few sips in and scope out the place before anyone approached me. And the one who approached me was the one who caught my eye when I walked down the bar initially. At this point I'd managed to scope out the entire place and she was definitely the one I was most interested in. I bought her a beer and we chatted for a while and I really liked her. She was a late 20's Vietnamese girl with a beautiful face and a drop-dead gorgeous slim body. A solid 8 in anyone's book, and something about her really clicked with me.
She knew I was a J rookie and she helped me through the whole process, playfully giggling at my mistakes. We left the bar and took a cab back to my hotel. At this point I knew it was going to be 100 RMB cab ride and just agreed to the first cab driver who came along and insisted on that price.
I was definitely apprehensive about the hotel. When I'd left there were multiple porters and guests in the lobby, and although we wouldn't need to walk past reception, we definitely could be seen from reception. As luck would have it, there were no porters around when I got back (around 12:15 am) and I never even glanced over at reception, just headed for the elevators. We weren't challenged by anyone and headed up to the room. One thing I really appreciated about her though, and probably most girls do this, after leaving J she threw on a light coverall / jacket over her very revealing dress, and changed into a pair of flat shoes. So she was way less conspicuous that she might have been when we entered the hotel.
I won't go into details here, but I had a fantastic time and she was just a fun, comfortable person to be around. We connectedd on WeChat and I told her I'd be back in Shanghai on Saturday evening and would like to see her again.
As I was traveling back to Shanghai on Saturday I was thinking I'd really like to see her again, but I was also thinking I'd like to experience the hunt in J again now that I had some experience. I decided that if she contacted me I'd arrange to see her, otherwise I'd just go down to J and check the place out again. As luck would have it, she messaged me around noon on Saturday and we arranged to meet in the lobby of my hotel that evening.
I was waiting for her out the front of my hotel (Paramount Gallery) at 9:30 pm when she cycled up on a bcycle, looking fantastic in blue jeans and a tight-fitting top. OMG, she was absolutely beautiful. We went out and had some food and drinks and a great chat. Then back to my hotel room for one of the most memorable nights of my life.
A few points to note.
I felt myself falling head over heels like I hadn't done since I was a teenager. I did however catch myself and decided I needed to nip it in the bud. I decided not to allow myself down that path. I took SamCan's advice and decided that such relationships cannot be pursued. Yes, it's highly unlikely that she looked at me as anything other than an ATM machine. But I'll just remember it as a beautiful time with a truly beautiful and fun lady. And yeah, if for nothing else, I think she was happy to spend the time with me that evening rather than run the gauntlet down at J's, not knowing what the night would hold in store for her.
As far as the hotel goes, Paramount Gallery has a reception on the 12th floor of a 21 story building. When you return at night you just take the elevator from the 1st floor to whatever floor you are staying on. So you don't need to go past reception. You do need to go by security on the 1st floor, but I think it's very unlikely these guys would challenge you. I've seen some people mention that they split up entering the hotel. For both of my hotels I decided to just enter with the girl as that felt more comfortable to me. I remember someone else mentioning that it'd be unlikely that they'd challenge a paying guest with a Vietnamese woman who could easily be his wife. That seemed to make more sense to me.
One other point to note. Although The Blind Pig is a good warm-up place, as others have mentioned, another interesting place to hit in that neighborhood is a bar / restaurant at the junction of Yuyuan Rd and Tongren Rd, just down from J's. I think it is called 'The Spot. ' It's a hopping place and seems to be a hangout for a lot of the Vietnamese girls either before they head over to J's or if they decide to take a break from J's during the night. I think you could easily score here, a much more relaxed environment, if you wanted to avoid the mayhem of J and M.
I'd like to say a special thanks to SamCan, who's advice on this forum I believe allowed me to really maximize my enjoyment. Outside of taxi costs I've deliberately not mentioned any other costs, for my own personal reasons. But I've nothing to add in that regard that SamCan hasn't already mentioned. His advice there is spot on.
I thoroughly recommend the Paramount Gallery. It's a really nice hotel for about 700 RMB / night. Way better than the hotel over at the Bund for the same price. My friend also mentioned that Swissotel was one of her favourite hotels in that neighborhood.
Hello,
I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.
So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.
Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).Thanks for the info. Do you know if there is any speculation on wether things will get back to normal once the expo is over?
I have enjoyed my visits to MPs in the past and I am extremely sad to see that the places I have visited last year are all closed now.
Although I am a bourbon man, I enjoyed your report whiskey.
Not bad for a noob, haha.
Well Done!
Sam Can.
Hi all,
Hope you are all well.
Will be in Shanghai 10th Sept for a few days doing the furniture fair.
Usually I'm at M and J getting drunk and waking up to a beauty or a dog depending on how good or bad the beer Goggles serve me. LOL.
This time around I will be traveling with my business partner who is a goodie two shoes and I can't explain to him my hobbie. This is a shame. So I don't think I will able to sneak away.
I will have to order room service. I may hook up with a Nightlife lady, however if any of you have a great contact and are happy to share then please PM me, it would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Red.
Playboy2000
08-16-18, 10:44
Nice report Daldm.
Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?
If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.
PB.
Hello,
I'm new to this forum, but it's a lot that I'm lurking here, and it was very useful in organizing my trips.
So basically the weather will be very windy until mid November, for the international expo that will take place from 5th to 10th of November. In the Chinese forum (I'm an oversea born Chinese that can speak and read Chinese), they say that some saunas are already closing up before the real crackdown, for 3 months, and the one that are still open don't have a lot of business because the people are afraid of going, for now until the end of the expo it's better to avoid saunas, MP and barbershops, the safest options should be the pick up bars (never went to one in shanghai before but looking at the forum reports, they should be fine), but seems that the girls available aren't that many, or ktvs, but they tend to be a bit pricey, around 4 k, if you go with the qq groups (they are qq chat groups that arrange KTV parties), and that includes the KTV room, drinks and the girl that will stay with you overnight, you can just take the girl too without participating to the KTV party but you need to be a regular or have someone to guarantee for you.
Better to change to nearby cities like Suzhou or Nanjing (I know, not very near, but it's only a little more than 1 hour with the high speed train).
Steve 9696
08-16-18, 13:29
Thank you Whiskey for that great report. It's those long detailed reads that make ISG sing. And really good insights as well. I suppose it's true that M and J both have the same goal but a different vibe. You know I never noticed till now that I've never sat down in Manhattan! It is definitely packed and you are for sure the "most interesting man in the world" for a moment. But I could see how a Judy's could appeal in a very different way. Great news is we have both!
Nice report Daldm.
Can you give some advice about how to find these QQ groups that organize KTV parties? Better yet, are there wechat groups?
If anyone reading this lives in Shanghai and would like to go to KTV in Shanghai or Suzhou, send me a PM, and we can organize something together. If you are just passing thru Shanghai, don't bother. To hard to find a common date.
PB.You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.
But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.
Great report Whiskey.
I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.
Have fun guys.
Red.
I always manage to get a seat in M. I usually find a Bar Steward, hand him a 100 note and ask him to find me a table. He will usually move girls occupying a table and let me have it.
Have fun guys.
Red.Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.
Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.
Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.
As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.
My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).
I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.
For what it's worth, here's my take on cost.
I think what you pay depends on a number of different factors (and others have pointed most of this out before). Supply and demand is definitely a factor. And the night I was there (a Tuesday) there was a lot more supply than demand. But both places were very busy, so it wasn't like it was dead. Having said that, given the ratio of girls to guys (70:30), I've no doubt a lot of ladies went home without making a penny that night. Still, I'm sure they have their lower limits for what they'll go for (I. E. Most would prob prefer to go home alone and make nothing than taking just a few hundred rmb). But definitely it was a buyers market that particular night.
I'm also sure (again, as others have mentioned) that the overall make-up (looks and personality) of the potential client plays a role. If you're Brad Pitt they're going back with you for zero. If you're a maniacal looking serial-killer type, they're going to want a big payday to take that chance. Then there's everything in between. For most of us this probably isn't a huge factor, but I think it could easily make a few hundred rmb difference one way or the other (I. E. The slim, fit, good-looking guy with the easy-going personality is easily going to get a lower price than the overweight, sweaty guy with no personality). I know not everyone wants to hear that, but I think it's just the way it is.
Okay, on to my particular case. I'm no Brad Pitt, but I'm in decent shape and I think I have an easy-going personality and I can make a girl laugh and feel comfortable. I don't think this played much of a factor for my first night, but I think it was a big factor in the repeat on the Saturday night. I'll explain more later.
My goal was the SamCan 1 k 2 pop. The negotiation went really quickly. She started at 1500 and I started at 800. We quickly decided on 1000 for 2 pops. It was a very easy and amicable negotiation. But then I did something that will probably frustrate some of you, but for me I think it was a very inexpensive way to get a service level and overall experience that I wouldn't otherwise have received. A few minutes after we agreed the price, as we were leaving, I told her that I think she needs to improve her negotiating skills, that I would have paid 1200 easily because she is beautiful. Then we had a fun exchange and I told her I was going to pay her the 1200 anyway. Okay, I understand this sounds very corny, but it got a great laugh out of her and I believe it really helped strengthen whatever connection we had and played a big factor in me having two fantastic sessions with her. Yeah, you can say 'of course they're going to be / seem happier if you give them more,' but for me it was worth it. And yeah, you could argue that I could have just tipped afterwards if the service was good. My approach was different, some would say stupid. But I think it worked really well.
And, for the record, the service was off the charts that first night. It was very GFE. And I think my late maneuver paid huge dividends.
If you read my earlier post you'll know I also hooked up with the same girl on Saturday evening. The service was again off the charts. In fact that Saturday night was easily my best experience ever playing this game, and I've been doing it for a while. The interesting thing here is we never negotiated any price for Saturday evening. Money was never mentioned at all. Even when we were parting I just gave her what I thought was fair and she just put it in her purse without counting it. I gave her more that night because it was Saturday and I know that's their biggest night and I didn't want her to feel like she'd been stiffed. I think I could easily have given her 1200 again and she'd have been fine with it. The reason I say that is I'm sure for most of these girls they'd take a little less in exchange for knowing they're going to have a safe evening with someone they know and trust.
So I can definitely confirm SamCan's assertion that 1 k 2 pops are available, at least on a Tuesday night. I got the best looking girl in J to agree to to that price that night. I've no doubt there were a lot of girls in there that night who'd easily have gone for 800 or less. Obviously I can't say what the price might have been on a Saturday night, maybe it'd be hard to get an 8 for that price on a busy weekend, but I've no doubt you could get a very decent 6 or 7 for that price on a Saturday. And maybe you could get an 8 for that price if you've got decent game.
Overall I paid more than I needed to, but certainly not extravagantly so. I paid maybe 20% more than I might have. But I think I paid a very fair price for the experience I got. And I feel like the person I shared that time with also felt good about what she got, and that's important to me.
Oh! I like that! Thanks for the Tip.
Hey whiskey, you want to improve your trip report. Give a name to the girl (don't worry you aren't going to be able to keep her for yourself anyway) and give the price you paid. Or at least a range. I 'am real curious if you got the 1000 rmb 2 pop rule or something else. You said sam was right.
Many guys doubt me when I give this target. Many give me a lot of crap about it. If my numbers work for you, please weigh in. If you overpaid that is ok too. Frankly, I have not been there since early this year. With all the Saunas closing supply is less. I will be curious what I have to pay this time.
As my time is short this trip, I am actually more interested in different pops with different women than what I have to pay.
My first night last time, I had lilly 1000 for 2 pops, walked her back to manhattans from the portman after and bought her a drink. I left her and ran into the girl that took 800 for a great bang. (a few posts down you will see a copy of the original post).
I remember the bouncer laughing at me when he saw me heading out for a second round. He pointed and said "laowai, (foreigner). He was telling his buddy, there I go again.Samcan- I've generally been in your price range, with qualifier that I'm too old for 2 pops and the women skew aplder. Generally 1000. I'll go 1200 if I'm very impressed, but rare. Currently hearing complaints of not many customers from girls; was in J last Fri night at 3:30 (admittedly very late) and I was practically only guy left standing. So you should be able to do OK at your price target.
Playboy2000
08-17-18, 16:04
You can find them using the qq group search function, but a lot of group don't accept new members with a very new qq account for various reasons, like: full, scammers, guys who want to enter to just send advertising, LE, etc.
But you need at least some Chinese skill to communicate with the organizer.I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
Mac The Night
08-17-18, 19:28
First, big thanks to Sam Can and Whiskey for sharing insights. I've visited Manhattan's several times (and reported here) and I've found it to be too loud, small to be able to find even a spot of floor to stand on, although with only one exception the selection has always been great.
So, I tried Judy's for a change and am glad I did. Followed the advise to take a Taxi (using DiDi app) to The Portman Ritz-Carlton and walked around the block. Three minutes tops to M, four to J's. Judy's is roomier with more seating options. Alas, none for me though while entering at 10:00. The place was packed. Favorable ratio of 70:30. Lots of 5-6 options available with some solid 8's mixed in, but all engaged with their marks. Was aggressively pursued by a 45-ish lady who's seen better days. With so many other younger and prettier creatures around, hard to be polite but I managed to get my 45 RMB Tiger draft beer, say cheers and walk on.
Again, really good selection. While I was looking around, one 20-ish Viet cutie came to me and chatted me up. Not my first choice on looks alone but good English, bubbly personality, great smile and the more we talked, and the more I checked out her tight little bod, the closer I got to making a deal.
She asked for 2 k for ST. (I guess I'm the fat guy with no personality. LOL) I countered with 1 k and we eventually settled for 1.5 k for 2 hrs /2 pops. (I suck at negotiating, especially with a pretty face and plumped up pert titties smiling up at me.).
So, another DiDi and 20 minutes later back to my hotel in Minhang. Session was great, started with shower together then went straight to it, totally unrushed and 7. 5/10 service. GFE, BBBJ, DATY and covered FS. Nice intermission with pleasant conversation and playful touching. Round 2 was more energetic. She's a trooper. Great sound effects, too. I bet my next-door neighbors thought so, too.
Anyway, she'll be in town till mid-September. PM me if you want her WeChat for a delivery service. (I got her permission to share with my friends) Nice and lovely girl, please be kind to her.
Thanks whiskey your data helps all. I'm in Shanghai. That's why I asked the girls name LOL. Can't PM you so I'm on my own hunt I guess.
Not busting you at all. I've dropped 200 rmb on a night on drinks for girls I didn't take home. Spend it the way you want but know your spending it. It's the guys that think they got a great deal at 2 k that worry me. If you know you can get her for less but you want to pay more that's up to you. Some one told me something a long time ago at M. If you get a girl tonight at 2 k they are all going to cost 2k every night till you leave. Like us they talk about this stuff. They also don’t want to be the paycheck.
I took one girl early in the night. She had 3 customers by night end. My regulars knew it and told me the next night. I did pay the least by the way. It was 1000/2. Everyone else had sloppy 3 rds and 4 ths. Haha.
If you go home feeling screwed but not that you got screwed you won! There was a girl I've paid 1200 for every time I see her. I wanted her 3 years ago and that set the rate. We've seen each other many times over the years. She's flown to sh when she's know I was coming. She's also the one that took me home for free one night if you remember that post.
Thanks whiskey. You did your part. Great reports. I'm calling you whiskeycan. From here on our.
I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.
Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.
Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.
I speak and write Chinese. Can you give me search strings. I'll give it a try. Thanks.Seems that I can't answear your question (didn't pass the forum moderator review phase), maybe I'll send you a PM once I subscribe to the forum (won't be that soon).
I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.
Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.
Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.Nice find Sam and thanks for sharing as usual. I wish I could be in Shanghai to meet up to buy you drinks but I don't go again until Oct. Have a great time and we all look forward to hear about your adventures. Damn I'm jealous. LOL.
I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.
Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms..Thanks a lot. Nice finding. I would like to try that MP. Do you have the exact address? Please.
Midwestern
08-19-18, 03:15
I arrived Sh today. I was walking down wanhang du lu and spotted the infamous alley of years ago. There were two girls and a man out front sweeping the alley. The girls were in the white shirts with the famous black shorts I haven't seen in quite a while. Walked down and the shop is open renovated and looks better than ever. Took a shower and got the 298 massage. Xiao xiao was my girl. Solid 27 year old. 7 rating spinner. Less than 5 feet tall with large be cups for her little size. She let me slide them out and kiss them while she worked junior. I stopped her before she finished me as I have bigger plans tonight. I asked her to come back to my hotel. She said Now? BTW it appears he and a little roaming is in the price as there was no discussion on a tip.
Back at the hotel, we showered together then DATY. She damn near pushed my head down there LOL. Mish, doggie mish. Pop! It's been a while. Didn't take long. She rushed me a little but she was fun. Got digits but doubt I'll repeat at 800 a deal. At 1000 not so much. She is pretty however. She took the curse off but hoping for a bigger event tonight at J and Ms.
Damages were 1000 one pop from a non pro. Sometimes the girls have to pay the boss to leave. I didn't ask. I tried for 800 but it wasn't happening. I wanted her. Her English is non existent as is her ability to use pin yin. It's written chinese and chinese speaking. Her dialect from Guilin made it tough for me but we struggled through the negotiations.Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occurred to me that takeout is viable.
Welcome back to SH. I never considered takeout from MPs, but it seems like old hat to you. What do you do? Tell her to meet you at your hotel in X number of minutes or leave together? I am interested in the procedure that works best for you. My MO these days is get their wechat and arrange meetings on their day off. Never occured to me that takeout is viable.
This was a first (well second) for me. I really didn't expect the response but that's why you got to try!
She said she could leave if I said ok. I was trying to set something up for later but what the heck.
She walked 50yards behind me all the way to the hotel. It seemed to be her choice. I couldnt get her to understand hotel directions so she could call a cab. It was close enough to walk
She also made me wait out front of the store while she changed. I guess her boss didnt know.
By the way. During the massage ,She was very concerned about the HE. Although she started it without being asked. She stopped twice when she heard voices at the door and covered me up. Times we are in I guess
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