South China - Shenzhen

[chan_ho_nam]

Hello, guys, just wanted to get some comments on this. I was planning about 10 days in Shenzen around begining to mid August but just found out there is a Universiade being held in Shenzhen from 11 Aug to 23 Aug. I think this is kind of like an Olympics for uni students I. E. Global so not a small event. From the forum it seems these events usually involve some clean-up or raids by LE leading to a lack of action. I had planned to visit from 2 to 13 but would be a waste of time as my main reason is to monger. Any guesses as to whether Dongguan will be affected, should I spend time there instead? Any comments from old-timers appreciated.

[Sdm66]

From Friday 1/07 until 5july I will be in Shenzhen.

Italian man 44 years old.

I am alone.

Is there sometheting else alone that want to come with me for find some girls?

I am alone and I m not sure that will be the best solution for find girls

[Sdm66]

I was recently in SZ and had a variety of action.

I like a massage and HJ. These places used to be common but now many only offer legit massage without extras.

Found that a 3 star hotel I stayed at had a Sauna, offered HJ with massage (2 hours + foot massage) for 178RMB.

BJKThe name of this 3 star hotel?

[JustPassingBy]

Had to run some errands down by the water this morning, so I hopped over to LoWu around 11am. Took a stroll from the train station north, past ShangriLa. Had 3-4 invites for "massajeh, sexy massajeh" in three blocks. Not bad, didn't give them a second look on the first pass, I was just wandering around to get acclimated.

Crossed over one block east, and strolled back south, stopped in to McD's to avoid rain (and sit at a window to enjoy the scenery). Lots of good scenery just strolling around, shopping, and grabbing lunch.

Once I was back down to Citic Bank (a block north of ShangriLa), I started crossing east-west and working my way back north. First two cross streets, had a half dozen "massejeh" offers. Little alley called "RenMin", with a Musim restaurant on it, a couple ladies wandering all dressed up, offering quietly as I passed. Then a couple house-frau looking ladies sitting on a step called me over, walked me to the elevator and took me upstairs to show me the line-up. Two apartments, she asked "Chinese girl or Thai girl". Wow, first time I've had that happen. One of the Thai girls was just what I was looking for. About 21, spent some time in SG, spoke a couple words of Engrish. Chinese girls standard 150, Thai girls 200. Sure, why not? Soapy shower, rubba dub dub, cat bath, nipple nibble, tug, rub. Whoa, I want to play a little too. Explored some of her interesting (but tasteful) tattoos, returned the nipple nibble and rub (which she seemed to really enjoy), and then she covered and hopped on top. Soapy rub tug after I finished, dried and dressed, she thought it was hilarious to stand on the bed and give me a hug and a peck on the cheek as I was leaving (I'm very tall), and I was out the door and into a taxi.

Looks 8, Service 8 (no BJ enthusiasm), Personality 9, damage 200 + I slipped her a 50 on my way out.

Johnny Law was heavy from the train station to just past the ShangriLa, but nowhere to be found north of there.

JPB

[Nobody Special]

I've recommended QQ a few times so here are my results to date.

Been chatting with a 28 year old chubby Hunan girl for about 6 months.

Finally traveling back to China through HK. Decided to overnight for the weekend in Kowloon.

She tells me she just wants to have some fun with a foreigner cause her last Chinese BF committed suicide 7 years ago.

Invited her to stay with me in Kowloon for the weekend. She accepted so fast I wondered if I was being scammed.

A few days before arrival she sent me a message she wants to meet me at the airport.

On arrival she is there with a driver (friend) who will not let me pay a cent toward transportation.

Checked into Holiday Inn, Kowloon with her and no one batted an eye.

We went out to eat, chatted and at about 7 suggested I should take a nap. (I'm 56 BTW)

I can take a hint so said OK. I shower and get into bed she gets in fully clothed!

I say nothing and she actually doses off for a few minutes.

I'm looking at her when she opens her eyes and she complains its too hot in there.

I suggest getting undressed would help. (dah)

Being a gentlemen I help. Soon enough almost naked under the covers our hands begin to roam.

Tried kissing but she had no idea what to do. I'm starting to believe no BF in 7 years.

It was like being with a virgin. She really didn't know what to do.

Needless to say after 3 days she lost the shyness and we showered together frequently from the heat.

She never asked for anything and offered to pay for some things.

When it was time to go, she waived goodbye and never looked back.

Got a note a few days later asking if everything was ok?

Would I contact her if I returned again?

Did she take care of me Ok?

QQ wins round 1.

[Pimpa]

Did you use QQ international? In which language do you communicate on QQ?

[Nobody Special]

Did you use QQ international? In which language do you communicate on QQ?Yes I use QQ international which has a handy translate button.

But the reality is I'm picky.

If they cannot communicate in English you can't make much conversation without a computer handy.

So if communication is difficult, I delete them.

Nobody Special

[Cp141]

Are there any bars / disco in Shenzhen where there are working girls that would drink, play dice, and dance with you at the disco? Could I just pay them 800 for them to accompany me the whole night doing this?

[Roger OLeary]

Hi SW,

Any chance of sending me her number by PM please? I mean Day 2 girl obviously.


I love Louhu, especially the area behind Shangari La hotel. A lot og mamas heading directly to you asking Miss? Miss?

I visited two of them first day. Really strange you are guided to an apprtment in one of the high rises. You go in and find people and kids sitting around, eating playing cards!

Line up of 3-4 young girls. Xou can choose or order another line up. Mama make a call and another line up in coming in. Simple shower and bed room. Really fun. Total damage 150. 200 RMB.

2. Day around 7. 00 pm I was walking around in the area again and 2 young girls came directly to me and asked for some money because they didn't eat the whole day as they said! One of them looked really good 18-19 yo. I offered her to go to my hotel and order food there. First she wanted her friend to come with us. I said I want only her and I pay good. We agreed on 300 RMB for 2 shots.

Back to the hotel I ordered some food and had some chat with girl. Her English was not bad. She told me she is a student and needs money. A lot of fun and after 2 shots she asked if she can stay over night. No problem. In the morning one more shot and she left around 7 a. M after leaving her number.

Look 8.

Bbj 8.

Massage 6.

FS 8.

No back door.

GFE 9

[Mike Massage]

Hi Guys,

Can any one help me with telling me where to find this? I am looking for a Good Full Body Oil / Soap Massage + Tantric? Any Suggestions? Contacts?

Thanks,

Mike

[Mike Massage]

Hi There,

Very interested in that. Any contact details? Name / Nr / Email of the place? Thanks for the help.

Mike.


Had to run some errands down by the water this morning, so I hopped over to LoWu around 11am. Took a stroll from the train station north, past ShangriLa. Had 3-4 invites for "massajeh, sexy massajeh" in three blocks. Not bad, didn't give them a second look on the first pass, I was just wandering around to get acclimated.

Crossed over one block east, and strolled back south, stopped in to McD's to avoid rain (and sit at a window to enjoy the scenery). Lots of good scenery just strolling around, shopping, and grabbing lunch.

Once I was back down to Citic Bank (a block north of ShangriLa) , I started crossing east-west and working my way back north. First two cross streets, had a half dozen "massejeh" offers. Little alley called "RenMin", with a Musim restaurant on it, a couple ladies wandering all dressed up, offering quietly as I passed. Then a couple house-frau looking ladies sitting on a step called me over, walked me to the elevator and took me upstairs to show me the line-up. Two apartments, she asked "Chinese girl or Thai girl". Wow, first time I've had that happen. One of the Thai girls was just what I was looking for. About 21, spent some time in SG, spoke a couple words of Engrish. Chinese girls standard 150, Thai girls 200. Sure, why not? Soapy shower, rubba dub dub, cat bath, nipple nibble, tug, rub. Whoa, I want to play a little too. Explored some of her interesting (but tasteful) tattoos, returned the nipple nibble and rub (which she seemed to really enjoy) , and then she covered and hopped on top. Soapy rub tug after I finished, dried and dressed, she thought it was hilarious to stand on the bed and give me a hug and a peck on the cheek as I was leaving (I'm very tall) , and I was out the door and into a taxi.

Looks 8, Service 8 (no BJ enthusiasm) , Personality 9, damage 200 + I slipped her a 50 on my way out.

Johnny Law was heavy from the train station to just past the ShangriLa, but nowhere to be found north of there.

JPB

[Pushkin13]

Hi Guys,

Can any one help me with telling me where to find this? I am looking for a Good Full Body Oil / Soap Massage + Tantric? Any Suggestions? Contacts?

Thanks,

MikeWhy lead off with 4 questions?

Tis more blessed to give than to receive.

How about contributing something to the forum to help all the bruvvers. Including newbies like you.

Just my opinion.

P13

[LovingAsia]

Hi folks.

Always passed through SZ, now I'd like to see what's out there, so a couple of questions.

Am I going to find BBS's open for business by Shangri-la by Luohu station, and Seibu? Could someone give more specific details on which roads, or do I just walk round the block?

Any hotels for 40USD by the BBS's?

[BJK]

Hi folks.

Am I going to find BBS's open for business by Shangri-la by Luohu station, and Seibu? Could someone give more specific details on which roads, or do I just walk round the block?No BBS. Just walk around the block near Shangri-La Many mamasan will approach and take you to apartment. A cute mamasan by the name of Jojo was good to use in the past. The girl gets about 70-80RMB so don't pay too much. 150 Should be easily achievable with 130 if you are Chinese.

For Seibu area. Seibu is no longer there. Find Xiangxi cun street. You will need to go into the very narrow alleys behind the shops. Closed at random times due to LE action. Take a girl to your hotel or do in the upstairs rooms. I paid 150 on site.

[Superforce99]

I'm kind of dismayed at the prices discussed on the Shenzhen thread for girls.

At the Shangra La area apts. The price has long been 100 RMB (and even less.

If you are a long-time customer) though you may have to add 10-20 RMB if the.

Mamasan moves you to another room outside of her apartment.

Nowadays, I have noticed that it is very difficult to get 100 RMB pricing and it's.

Directly related to mongers paying more than 100. If you want to tip the girl,

That's one thing, but insist on paying the mamasan 100 to keep prices where.

They should be. Not 200. Not 150.

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Also, with the University Games beginning in less than a month, major crackdowns.

Are already underway and quality / quantity of girls has gone down significantly.

XXC (old Seibu area) is a shell of it's former self and the BBSs in other areas are.

Also following this trend. If there are members out there who want to "pool" assets.

And data, please PM me. I have direct numbers of about dozen numbers of girls

(pros and part-timers) who give great service and three pimps who can deliver WGs

To your room for 200-300 RMB. I want to see what other members have out there.

And see if I can't increase the variety we all can enjoy.

SF99

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[Berpeter]

Will soon be back in Shenzhen again after a few years away from paradise. Used to go to the alleys of Shacui and wait for "my mamasan" to call me for new arrivals "gang laide". What beautiful girls! Is there an informed brother who can tell me if Shacui is still worth a trip? I speak a little Chinese and had great times there before. Is paradise still open?

[ManonsanBoy]

I'

That's one thing, but insist on paying the mamasan 100 to keep prices where.

They should be. Not 200. Not 150.

-

SF99Many things have gone up a lot.

[Superforce99]

Many things have gone up a lot.Luckily for us mongers, inflation has not affected the prices of p4p as much as it has for almost everything else in life, from food to apartments to gasoline!

SF

[Jamie5063]

30 days to go. I went to see one of my regular girls yesterday and she was sorry to inform me that her workplace has gone vegetarian until October. She would not go near it when I tried to change her mind, and keep pointing to the window (only small). She treats me like a boyfriend normally and even slipped it in a few times before so its not her. It would seem the places with good connections have been warned and probably means the raids will be carried out by outsiders soon, The place I went too was not well known and around 15km from the center and in the afternoon, When I left I was still charged the normal 168 as well WTF. Great thing about QQ is when you use a VPN it shows your as overseas, so tell her I can't make it this week dear, guess I will be back in October. In the meantime just have to take a real giant risk and date freebies.

[SupremeBeing]

3 of us from Malaysia are in SZ for business. At night, we did went to this club call Lili Merlin beside Coco Park and the scene was an eye opening for us. Then we saw some girls outside tat look like hookers but not sure how to approach them and their prices.

I do hope seniors from this place can help us get some LT action to bring back to our hotel room for wild action.

We're going back on 25 July.

[JustPassingBy]

Hi There,

Very interested in that. Any contact details? Name / Nr / Email of the place? Thanks for the help.

Mike.Just walk through that alley with the Muslim restaurant. Renmin something off of Renmin Road. There are three mamasan's that work the middle of the alley from a doorway right by the playground. If they see a white guy, they start "Hello, Hello, Hello," and waving to you. I've been back twice now, and the younger of the three mamasan's (one old and bigger, one old and skinnier, one younger and middle-sized) seems to have the best stable of ladies.

If you are not a westerner, you might have to poke your head into the apartment gate and give them a "Hello, Hello,".

JPB

[Mmlouie]

Just walk through that alley with the Muslim restaurant. Renmin something off of Renmin Road.

If you are not a westerner, you might have to poke your head into the apartment gate and give them a "Hello, Hello,".

JPBIf you are a foreigner, you just walk up and down the street and through the alley if you are adventurous enough. They WILL find you.

Mmlouie

[Kerry64]

Had been in the Luoho area around the Sunshine hotel. Did not see anything around. I mongered around the streets all around and opposite to the hotel.

Maybe the action scene has died out due to the University games.

[Jon Guoren]

Had to run some errands down by the water this morning, so I hopped over to LoWu around 11am. Took a stroll from the train station north, past ShangriLa. Had 3-4 invites for "massajeh, sexy massajeh" in three blocks. Not bad, didn't give them a second look on the first pass, I was just wandering around to get acclimated.

Crossed over one block east, and strolled back south, stopped in to McD's to avoid rain (and sit at a window to enjoy the scenery). Lots of good scenery just strolling around, shopping, and grabbing lunch.

Once I was back down to Citic Bank (a block north of ShangriLa) , I started crossing east-west and working my way back north. First two cross streets, had a half dozen "massejeh" offers. Little alley called "RenMin", with a Musim restaurant on it, a couple ladies wandering all dressed up, offering quietly as I passed. Then a couple house-frau looking ladies sitting on a step called me over, walked me to the elevator and took me upstairs to show me the line-up. Two apartments, she asked "Chinese girl or Thai girl". Wow, first time I've had that happen. One of the Thai girls was just what I was looking for. About 21, spent some time in SG, spoke a couple words of Engrish. Chinese girls standard 150, Thai girls 200. Sure, why not? Soapy shower, rubba dub dub, cat bath, nipple nibble, tug, rub. Whoa, I want to play a little too. Explored some of her interesting (but tasteful) tattoos, returned the nipple nibble and rub (which she seemed to really enjoy) , and then she covered and hopped on top. Soapy rub tug after I finished, dried and dressed, she thought it was hilarious to stand on the bed and give me a hug and a peck on the cheek as I was leaving (I'm very tall) , and I was out the door and into a taxi.

Looks 8, Service 8 (no BJ enthusiasm) , Personality 9, damage 200 + I slipped her a 50 on my way out.

Johnny Law was heavy from the train station to just past the ShangriLa, but nowhere to be found north of there.

JPBThis is an excellent report, thanks. Will definitely try to follow your tracks. Any more info appreesh.

[Jon Guoren]

If you are a foreigner, you just walk up and down the street and through the alley if you are adventurous enough. They WILL find you.

MmlouieI found this area very dodgy and the girls unresponsive to my needs. A lot of the women hanging around outside seemed 3-4 in looks so not sure if these are WGs or Mama's. If Mamas I will try next time, but they appear to be WGs.

What I have found in SZ for the non-FS needs are the small massage places which offer HJ for 40RMB. This is a no brainer. There is one that charges 80RMB for foreigners, but most you can walk in, pick out of about 10-20 girls and have a nice 1 hour with or without HJ finish for 40RMB.

[Jon Guoren]

Just walk through that alley with the Muslim restaurant. Renmin something off of Renmin Road. There are three mamasan's that work the middle of the alley from a doorway right by the playground. If they see a white guy, they start "Hello, Hello, Hello," and waving to you. I've been back twice now, and the younger of the three mamasan's (one old and bigger, one old and skinnier, one younger and middle-sized) seems to have the best stable of ladies.

If you are not a westerner, you might have to poke your head into the apartment gate and give them a "Hello, Hello,".

JPBIs it possible to get slightly better directions because I am not familiar with the area. I have google maps open but not too helpful. Detailed illustrated map would be awesome. Thanks.

[Mmlouie]

I found this area very dodgy and the girls unresponsive to my needs. A lot of the women hanging around outside seemed 3-4 in looks so not sure if these are WGs or Mama's. If Mamas I will try next time, but they appear to be WGs.Yes, but it is really not that bad. What you see hanging outside are most likely the mamas, girls are mostly indoors and not allow to venture out much. Good hunting!

Mmlouie

[Somewhere15]

3 of us from Malaysia are in SZ for business. At night, we did went to this club call Lili Merlin beside Coco Park and the scene was an eye opening for us. Then we saw some girls outside tat look like hookers but not sure how to approach them and their prices.

I do hope seniors from this place can help us get some LT action to bring back to our hotel room for wild action.

We're going back on 25 July.I visited the place in the last two weeks several times.

The biggest issue (in my view) with Chinese girls is that they are really shy and / or. Do speak nearly no or any English.

Where Thai girls say they are shy but still try to make contact with you and try to communicate Chinese girls (f. I. How they act in Lilli Merlin but also in many other locations in China South) are mostly in a group with more girls and girls / boys. In my view they really want to party (within their group) and do not give any notice to who is around (at least that is my experience). A big part comes back to their lack of English; sometimes I go out with a girl from a vendor and you see the same behavior.

If a girl is alone and try to make contact, you have been warned: that's a real prof!

That happens to me in one of the cafe's / disco further in the street (called Cafe la Vie I believe in de connection between the two big roads and in the English pub next to LiliMerlin).

And. Was you or one of the other groupmembers succesfull when you returned?

[MyNameIsChad]

I found this area very dodgy and the girls unresponsive to my needs. A lot of the women hanging around outside seemed 3-4 in looks so not sure if these are WGs or Mama's. If Mamas I will try next time, but they appear to be WGs.

What I have found in SZ for the non-FS needs are the small massage places which offer HJ for 40RMB. This is a no brainer. There is one that charges 80RMB for foreigners, but most you can walk in, pick out of about 10-20 girls and have a nice 1 hour with or without HJ finish for 40RMB.How do I find these 40RMB massage places? Are there any in Nanshan?

[Jon Guoren]

How do I find these 40RMB massage places? Are there any in Nanshan?Here are two I have been to. The first is a rush job but prettier girls. The second is a 40RMB for 50 minutes place.

From tianzhiyu hotel on fuhua road, cross fuhua road and walk to your left. You will soon come to a main shopping road off to the right with lots of restaurants, shops.

And later a big massage club on the left hand side, after the clothes shop which has belts on display. Before you get to the big massage club where you have guys on the streets in suits with walkie talkies trying to get you to come in, there are several alleyways off to the left.

Go down each of these and one of them has a 40RMB HJ place. You will see the girls sitting down at the back and there will be a guy at the counter. You just go in, pick a girl or girls and go into a room. This can be a rushed service, but it is fun. You can stay for 2 pops if you pay the 40RMB twice. They will offer you some kind of "Milk Massage" or "Wash Massage" which means paying an extra 40RMB for them to wash your tadger for you and perhaps use soap. Would recommend to do not take the upsell.

The second is around the area where everyone talks about the thin alleyways and mamasans, so called "Seibu" in previous threads. Just stick to the main area with shops and food stands. Near a woman selling socks, t-shirts and underwear, on the opposite side, there is a massage place for 40RMB 50 minutes.

There are others around all over the place. Just take the side streets off of FuHua Lu and you'll find them. Some will charge 80RMB to foreigners though. I don't bother with these ones.

Sorry can't be more helpful. I will be there late August if you need any help. Let us know your outcome.

[Master Monger]

The party is over.

Xiang Xi Cun GONE!

Luo Hu Cun GONE!

Hu Bei Xing Cun NO TAKE OUT

And very limited menu.

So time to revert to freebies right,

WRONG, with the upcoming Universiade.

The TV stations, Radio, and newspapers are Constantly running anti-foreigner crap So now when I smile at a girl she just looks Away, almost in fear! It is BS and I am contemplating Relocating from Shenzhen just like many beautiful Women have already done this year.

It is a sad day.

Anybody have any recommendations where I should move in China or should I go to the Philippines, Thailand, or maybe back to South America. Any info is much appreciated I am looking for:

Hot young non-pro girls who like white skinned, blue eyed. 181cm tall, and about 100Kg men.

Massage places that offer good massages from attractive girls for about 40rmb an hour.

Hot young pro girls, that come back to my house DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Multiple positions, for around 200rmb.

Good Sichuan food for 2 people at about 100rmb.

5-10 hours a week part-time teaching at about 200rmb an hour.

Thank You in advance for any advice brothers.

[Jon Guoren]

The party is over.

Xiang Xi Cun GONE!

Luo Hu Cun GONE!

Hu Bei Xing Cun NO TAKE OUT

And very limited menu.

So time to revert to freebies right,

WRONG, with the upcoming Universiade.

The TV stations, Radio, and newspapers are Constantly running anti-foreigner crap So now when I smile at a girl she just looks Away, almost in fear! It is BS and I am contemplating Relocating from Shenzhen just like many beautiful Women have already done this year.

It is a sad day.

Anybody have any recommendations where I should move in China or should I go to the Philippines, Thailand, or maybe back to South America. Any info is much appreciated I am looking for:

Hot young non-pro girls who like white skinned, blue eyed. 181cm tall, and about 100Kg men.

Massage places that offer good massages from attractive girls for about 40rmb an hour.

Hot young pro girls, that come back to my house DFK, DATY, BBBJ, Multiple positions, for around 200rmb.

Good Sichuan food for 2 people at about 100rmb.

5-10 hours a week part-time teaching at about 200rmb an hour.

Thank You in advance for any advice brothers.Can you keep us posted on your report above. As I will be coming to Shenzhen right after the Games, I want to know whether it is so true that all these places have disappeared off the map. I'm sure that there will be services catering to the needs of mongers.

These places: Xiang Xi Cun GONE!

Luo Hu Cun GONE!

Hu Bei Xing Cun NO TAKE OUT

And very limited menu.

Especially, Hu Bei Xing Cun, sounded like great places to check out.

So, are all the places near Luohu closed as well? I am especially interested in finding the shop "near the muslim restaurant" in the alley, but the instructions so far are just so vague, if anyone can give clearer directions it would be way more helpful. May be it is so good there it is too good to share properly.

Cheers.

[Roark]

Non-pro actions in Shenzhen are still alive and well.

If you're white, <50y. O, <180 lb, and have 60%+ hair on your head, then you are still a commodity at any of bars / clubs listed in Shenzhenpartydotcom. Just stand and hold a beer, and you have 50% chance of talking to decent looking girls.

If you're too lazy to hunt for your own food, then wait until Universiad games are over and the authorities will relax current crack down on usual places.

[Master Monger]

Non-pro actions in Shenzhen are still alive and well.

If you're white, <50y. O, <180 lb, and have 60%+ hair on your head, then you are still a commodity at any of bars / clubs listed in Shenzhenpartydotcom. Just stand and hold a beer, and you have 50% chance of talking to decent looking girls.

If you're too lazy to hunt for your own food, then wait until Universiad games are over and the authorities will relax current crack down on usual places.First we have to establish your definition of decent looking. Second, bar girls are usually nasty and often get drunk and have unprotected sex. Third most of them smoke and a portion do drugs. Now that's not to say I haven't poached my fair share from bars like Soho, Viva, DJ Bar, Yes Bar, Chicago, Prince bar, etc. But more often than not I felt regret afterwards. And if you are talking about any bars in Shekou you don't have to answer the question because the girls there are just old and nasty rejects, you can go to Huang Bei Ling and bang that quality for ¥50.
I am used to beautiful, young, FRESH girls in Shenzhen, for free or ¥150 so when I say it has changed I mean it, I can't leave for a few months anyway so we will see if it gets better after the dreaded Universiade. During this drought I am going to try banging the foreign students that are coming! Wish me luck!
Later,
MM

[AmFan]

Will be back to China shortly and would appreciate sanity checking some past experiences for this coming trip. Will naturally reciprocate with FRs.

1. GoodView Hotel, Tangxia / Sangem Palace.

Have experienced both all night through a Mamasan from the downstairs bar in the Fantasy night club and also the Paradise Sauna. From the downstairs bar, was quoted 2-5-8. Selected the 8 and then the girl (great looker, no experience and wierd techniques!) looked for 500RMB tip for all night. Is this normal?

Paradise sauna. Took room for the 398 (2 hours). Line up of 2x (500 rate. Also offered 800/1000/1500 but declined).500 to girl. Again, is this normal? Much better technique.

Have found that at this sauna (and others) if you're a westerner looking for a 'body massage' you really need to stress that you understand. They seem (to me) to be very shy of offering service. 'Special service' and 'Superior service' seem to be keywords. Is this normal?

2. Various spas (e. G. Queen, SLF WaterCube, Gold Coast)

Always enjoy general chilling in these places. Is it likely to get additional services from a massage in these places? Accepted to ask? In the room? Extract to hotel? All guidance appreciated.

Shi Shi!

AmFan

[YT8927]

Hi all, it is my first time to visit ShenZhen.

I want to have a full service massage with very beautiful girls.

I speak a little Chinese.

Can you please let me know what places I should go in ShenZhen.

Really appreciate your feedbacks.

[Jamie5063]

Hi all, it is my first time to visit ShenZhen.

I want to have a full service massage with very beautiful girls.

I speak a little Chinese.

Can you please let me know what places I should go in ShenZhen.

Really appreciate your feedbacks.Shenzhen was closed down before the games, any old reports are now outdated. Clubs are waiting for things to relax until then best to try Hong Kong. Your lucky to get a happy ending at the moment.

[YT8927]

Shenzhen was closed down before the games, any old reports are now outdated. Clubs are waiting for things to relax until then best to try Hong Kong. Your lucky to get a happy ending at the moment.What part of Hong Kong do you recommend to get A class girl?

[Jayman 05]

Having rtff I arrived at the Shangri La expecting the worse, given the Universiade games etc. Well I am pleased to say that there are plenty of girls around!

1st Night:

Arrived about 11pm and a few old hags walking around selling themselves and others (just as old) pimping. A couple of young ones walking around but I know absolutely no Chinese so didn't even bother trying and organized a girl through a pimp which was very straight forward. Girl was meant to be 19yrs, but more like 25yrs (which is fine for me) , and nothing was a problem CBJ (at my request) , and all positions. Session lasted about an hour and total cost was 300RMB.

2nd night:

Finished work about 3pm and after being escorted around a factory just out of the city by two very cute Chinese girls I really needed some more "intimate" company. Found a pimp (about 20 steps outside the hotel) and got taken to the dodgy apartments next to the Hotel, and although there was only four girls to choose from they were very cute. I would estimate they ranged in age from 16yrs-20yrs (probably older as Chinese girls always look younger than they are IMHO). I went for the older looking girl as under-agers are not my thing, and having spent a lot of time in LOS, I generally find the younger ones (18+) have starfish complex. The girl kept trying to talk to me in Chinese and then attempted to type something (also in Chinese) in to her phone. One would think if the Gwai-Lo can't speak the language he certainly wouldn't be able to read it! Anyway, maybe she was telling me I was the first White man and she has been waiting for me all her life which explains why she was holding out her hand. Expecting me to put a ring on it maybe? LOL!

This time I made the mistake of handing over the money before the deed (300RMB) , and just to shut her the F*K up gave her an extra 100RMB which assisted in reminding her what we were both there for!

Same deal as the first night but not as comfortable in their premises. Would strongly recommend you make it clear nothing is handed over until the deed is done which is what I did on my first night, however the 2nd evening I was thinking with the little head and my thinking skills were a little distracted.

I have to say that compared to Thailand the mongering in Shenzhen, although not as in your face, appears to be easily accessible and very comparable cost v quality! Of course everyone's definition of cost & quality differs but just my opinion!

In summary there are plenty of girls around and plenty of people keen to direct you where you want to go (and help offload your RMB). Enjoy!

[YT8927]

Having rtff I arrived at the Shangri La expecting the worse, given the Universiade games etc. Well I am pleased to say that there are plenty of girls around!

1st Night:

Arrived about 11pm and a few old hags walking around selling themselves and others (just as old) pimping. A couple of young ones walking around but I know absolutely no Chinese so didn't even bother trying and organized a girl through a pimp which was very straight forward. Girl was meant to be 19yrs, but more like 25yrs (which is fine for me) , and nothing was a problem CBJ (at my request) , and all positions. Session lasted about an hour and total cost was 300RMB.

2nd night:

Finished work about 3pm and after being escorted around a factory just out of the city by two very cute Chinese girls I really needed some more "intimate" company. Found a pimp (about 20 steps outside the hotel) and got taken to the dodgy apartments next to the Hotel, and although there was only four girls to choose from they were very cute. I would estimate they ranged in age from 16yrs-20yrs (probably older as Chinese girls always look younger than they are IMHO). I went for the older looking girl as under-agers are not my thing, and having spent a lot of time in LOS, I generally find the younger ones (18+) have starfish complex. The girl kept trying to talk to me in Chinese and then attempted to type something (also in Chinese) in to her phone. One would think if the Gwai-Lo can't speak the language he certainly wouldn't be able to read it! Anyway, maybe she was telling me I was the first White man and she has been waiting for me all her life which explains why she was holding out her hand. Expecting me to put a ring on it maybe? LOL!

This time I made the mistake of handing over the money before the deed (300RMB) , and just to shut her the F*K up gave her an extra 100RMB which assisted in reminding her what we were both there for!

Same deal as the first night but not as comfortable in their premises. Would strongly recommend you make it clear nothing is handed over until the deed is done which is what I did on my first night, however the 2nd evening I was thinking with the little head and my thinking skills were a little distracted.

I have to say that compared to Thailand the mongering in Shenzhen, although not as in your face, appears to be easily accessible and very comparable cost v quality! Of course everyone's definition of cost & quality differs but just my opinion!

In summary there are plenty of girls around and plenty of people keen to direct you where you want to go (and help offload your RMB). Enjoy!What part of ShenZhen I can fing girl? Is it for Incall or Outcall?

[ManonsanBoy]

[QUOTE=Jayman 05; 1191954]Having rtff I arrived at the Shangri La expecting the worse, given the Universiade games etc. Well I am pleased to say that there are plenty of girls around!

I have to say that compared to Thailand the mongering in Shenzhen, although not as in your face, appears to be easily accessible and very comparable cost v quality! Of course everyone's definition of cost & quality differs but just my opinion!

QUOTE]

You may have paid 100 RMB too much but what the heck, if you enjoyed. Not an issue

[Jayman 05]

[QUOTE=Jayman 05; 1191954]Having rtff I arrived at the Shangri La expecting the worse, given the Universiade games etc. Well I am pleased to say that there are plenty of girls around!

I have to say that compared to Thailand the mongering in Shenzhen, although not as in your face, appears to be easily accessible and very comparable cost v quality! Of course everyone's definition of cost & quality differs but just my opinion!

QUOTE]

You may have paid 100 RMB too much but what the heck, if you enjoyed. Not an issue100RMB = $15USD. Hmmm

[Konsul]

Found a pimp (about 20 steps outside the hotel) and got taken to the dodgy apartments next to the Hotel, and although there was only four girls to choose from they were very cute.Hi,

Didn`t you feel uncomfortable going with a pimp to a outside building alone. Perhaps some of his friends are waiting there?

When visiting BBS in CP on my last trip, I was glad that someone was with me!

Greetings from Konsul

[IlleagleFun]

I have to say that compared to Thailand the mongering in Shenzhen, although not as in your face, appears to be easily accessible and very comparable cost v quality! Of course everyone's definition of cost & quality differs but just my opinion!

QUOTE]

You may have paid 100 RMB too much but what the heck, if you enjoyed. Not an issue

Sorry, there is NO comparison between Shenzhen and Thailand.

OK, maybe being so absolute as to say "NO comparison" is too harsh, but basically the two are NOT comparable. Everywhere you go on ISG you see each place compared against Thailand (and Pattaya).

That is NOT the case for Shenzhen (not even close).

[YT8927]

I went to Sangri La and walking around at 2:00pm, but I could not find anything.

Any suggestion, which street? Thanks in adance.


Sorry, there is NO comparison between Shenzhen and Thailand.

OK, maybe being so absolute as to say "NO comparison" is too harsh, but basically the two are NOT comparable. Everywhere you go on ISG you see each place compared against Thailand (and Pattaya).

That is NOT the case for Shenzhen (not even close).

[Fast Eddie 48]

I went to Sangri La and walking around at 2:00pm, but I could not find anything.

Any suggestion, which street? Thanks in adance.To vt8927,

I was there 2 days ago 100 m away was hit one 4 time by pimp offer girl for 120-150 rmb in the apartment but I am Chinese speak mandarin.

I was on my way to Huizhou so didn't check out the girl but this area most of the girl are too young bad service some no BJ at all.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sailor 222]

I will be in shenzhen in end October and hoping universitat era wil be over and opyions for mongering will back to normal. Am I realistic? Grateful if someone have an opinion.

[Tonton 1970]

Just came back after 3 nights in Shenzhen, and thought I'd report my strategy / observations.

I've read reports in the African section and learned about AfroIntroductions. I used a sister site to emeet ladies in Singapore prior to when I went there in June. I met a chick, we fucked, and we'll meet again next month when I'm there (BTW, non-pro just looking for dates, she was CIM / anal, thus no money exchanged just dinner). I'll mention that I have on my profile that I'm married, looking for a night out and I get Interest msg's from some who clearly don't read my profile as when I reply they come back looking for good man for married etc. There is a large proportion that I contact who ignore me assuming because I'm married, but I got about 15% positive response and settled on the one. Mission achieved.

Same principle for my trip this week to Shenzhen on Chineselovelinks, only criteria being able to converse in English. Talk with several ladies, lined up 3 for 3 different nights. First night was so good, she asked to stay the next 2 nights-other 2 girls were very disappointed. So she did-beautiful, petite lady looking for husband but equally happy to be with me. Complete freebie, only cost was dinner / lunch. BTW, I'm 40yo Aussie. 183cms. 87kgs so normal build and normal looks.

I stayed at Grand Mecure Oriental, and my first lunch in the coffee shop just after arriving had a few of the waitress looking, and smiling constantly. Forward to next day, same thing from waitresses in the coffee shop as my girl was at work and a supplier dropped me at my hotel so I could wait for pick-up from next supplier. Next day my girl came with me all day to the factories, and we got back and decided on a buffet dinner in the hotel. One of the waitresses on the previous 2 lunches who looked / smiled constantly was on duty, she saw me (my girl was at buffet) and started smiling as usual. When I paid bill and left with my girl, this waitress looked at me, smiled, then saw my girl, and if looks could kill, my girl was 6-feet under.

So boys, getting the waitress would be easy although I obviously didn't try, but the signs were there. The dating site has worked for me for NSA fun, and besides, my girl was great at translating, taking me around, and she drove a hard bargain at the Shenzhen Electronic market were she saved me a few $$. Does it get any better?

Hope that is worthwhile info boys.

[Sammon]

Just came back after 3 nights in Shenzhen, and thought I'd report my strategy / observations.

One of the waitresses on the previous 2 lunches who looked / smiled constantly was on duty, she saw me (my girl was at buffet) and started smiling as usual. When I paid bill and left with my girl, this waitress looked at me, smiled, then saw my girl, and if looks could kill, my girl was 6-feet under.

So boys, getting the waitress would be easy although I obviously didn't try, but the signs were there. The dating site has worked for me for NSA fun, and besides, my girl was great at translating, taking me around, and she drove a hard bargain at the Shenzhen Electronic market were she saved me a few $$. Does it get any better?

Hope that is worthwhile info boys.I lived in shenzhen for a long time. Waitresses look and smile at you for a combination of foreign person curiousity and friendliness. Unless you live there and establish a relationship they are not easy pickings.

There are girls I have gone out to dinner and bars with who never got intimate with me. Ofcourse there was few who will jump in bed after she gets comfortable. One perticular beautifull girl I had dated for a long time In the begining I did not want to push her for sex. Only reason was I liked her company and did not want to spoil it. Once we went together to a local massage place. She was telling the masseuse in Chinese she does not know why I did not want to have sex with her. With my limited Chinese knowledge it was easy for me. So that night I got sex from her. She stayed my GF for a long time.

But wooing normal girls is not easy. You need to be carefull. She may have a bf who will not take kindly to you.

[SE Asia Joe]

I lived in shenzhen for a long time. Waitresses look and smile at you for a combination of foreign person curiousity and friendliness. Unless you live there and establish a relationship they are not easy pickings.

There are girls I have gone out to dinner and bars with who never got intimate with me. Ofcourse there was few who will jump in bed after she gets comfortable. One perticular beautifull girl I had dated for a long time In the begining I did not want to push her for sex. Only reason was I liked her company and did not want to spoil it. Once we went together to a local massage place. She was telling the masseuse in Chinese she does not know why I did not want to have sex with her. With my limited Chinese knowledge it was easy for me. So that night I got sex from her. She stayed my GF for a long time.

But wooing normal girls is not easy. You need to be carefull. She may have a bf who will not take kindly to you.Agree!

And IMHO, that's the reason why reports on Civvie encounters on this. A forum to discuss PAID sex. Is discouraged.

Reports on civvy encounters usually do not have much by way of usable information for us run-of-the-mill monger, and is usually not much more than a chance for the poster to engage in a bit of bragging rights.

But worse, there ARE also reports which are actually quite dangerous in the misinformation therein contained. Misinformation which could easily lead to someone innocently attempting to do freebie pick-ups, when the situation / locale really is totally NOT suited for such.

Just IMHO.

SEAJ

[Roark]

To my knowledge only place near Shekou where you can get massage and get laid in on Houhai the Dao between Gongye 8 and Gongye 7 Lu. It is on the east side of the street and has orange signage (I have no idea what the signage says). There is a HJ place right next to it, but never tried.

The place has private rooms with showers. You should always ask to see several girls, otherwise the manager will bring a girl who has been rejected by clients all day long. Once you are in the room with the girl, you get to take a shower and the girl will start massaging you, especially paying specially attention to your groin area. Once you're ready for action, as a standard package, the girl will offer to give you a HJ. At this moment you need to ask the girl if she is ok to have FS. If she says yes, then make sure you confirm the price. The price for HJ is RMB 100 and FS is RMB 300-500 depending the quality of the lady.

When you leave the establishment you need to pay for the room which is RMB 100.

So, total damage: RMB 200 for HJ and RMB 400-600 for FS. A little price, but you get an hour and half of HJ / FS and massage (don't expect too much on massage).

[Mooris7]

I have had great luck at this place with freebies and working girls!

[Tonton 1970]

Agree!

And IMHO, that's the reason why reports on Civvie encounters on this. A forum to discuss PAID sex. Is discouraged.

Reports on civvy encounters usually do not have much by way of usable information for us run-of-the-mill monger, and is usually not much more than a chance for the poster to engage in a bit of bragging rights.

But worse, there ARE also reports which are actually quite dangerous in the misinformation therein contained. Misinformation which could easily lead to someone innocently attempting to do freebie pick-ups, when the situation / locale really is totally NOT suited for such.

Just IMHO.

SEAJFair enough, and point taken.

[MegaPoint]

To my knowledge only place near Shekou where you can get massage and get laid in on Houhai the Dao between Gongye 8 and Gongye 7 Lu. It is on the east side of the street and has orange signage (I have no idea what the signage says). There is a HJ place right next to it, but never tried.

The place has private rooms with showers. You should always ask to see several girls, otherwise the manager will bring a girl who has been rejected by clients all day long. Once you are in the room with the girl, you get to take a shower and the girl will start massaging you, especially paying specially attention to your groin area. Once you're ready for action, as a standard package, the girl will offer to give you a HJ. At this moment you need to ask the girl if she is ok to have FS. If she says yes, then make sure you confirm the price. The price for HJ is RMB 100 and FS is RMB 300-500 depending the quality of the lady.

When you leave the establishment you need to pay for the room which is RMB 100.

So, total damage: RMB 200 for HJ and RMB 400-600 for FS. A little price, but you get an hour and half of HJ / FS and massage (don't expect too much on massage).The Sauna on Haichang Jie, about half way between McDonalds and Mamas, if you know the place, should have FS. I think the name was 'Oriental Pearl' of something like that. Also third floor of the Sakura Spa, opposite the Seagull Restaurant, used to have FS. HJ available there with any massage. Or so it used to be, haven't been there for a long time. Also, pulled two massage girls from the Sakura over the past four years, one of whom was a real hottie.

[MegaPoint]

24h trip to SZ to visit a friend-with-benefits. We stayed at Panglin Hotel, not too bad and price is reasonable, though the idea that it's a 5star hotel is absurd. Maybe it was in the 1990s.

Had a visit with her to the East Hawaii Sauna futher down Jiabin Lu. This place is semi-luxurious, and all the massage is pretty good, but it's a rip-off in a sense. You pay 128 RMB just to go in, and this covers the use of the showers, spa, pool, etc. For everything else, you're presented with a chit for 'tips'. So, at the end of the day you pay about double. Had good foot massage (though no soak, just massage for 45 mins) acceptable pedicure, then 45 mins Chinese style massage. You enter on 1st floor, showers and lockers there. Up to second floor for footie. Then hike up to fifth floor for the body massage (all clothed.)

What's on third and fourth floors? You may well ask. Since I was with a lady, no chance to investigate thoroughly, but looks like this is where you can get HJ / FS. They have pics of girls and their numbers, you can choose. May go back again for more research soon. Have to say, that the girl who did my (legit) body massage was smokin', and I'd like to see her again when I an unencumbered.

But beware the way the price adds up. The reason for this is that the staff there work for free. No, I am not kidding. They get no salary. All they get are the tips you give them when you sign the chit. Makes me feel bad, but this is SZ management style. The girls said they were happy to have the job.

[Jayman 05]

Hi,

Didn`t you feel uncomfortable going with a pimp to a outside building alone. Perhaps some of his friends are waiting there?

When visiting BBS in CP on my last trip, I was glad that someone was with me!

Greetings from KonsulHi There,

Yes you have to keep your wits about you, and balance the risk. Ideally mongering with someone (when possible) is recommended!

[Jayman 05]

I went to Sangri La and walking around at 2:00pm, but I could not find anything.

Any suggestion, which street? Thanks in adance.You will find the pimps walking around the front of the hotel near the entrance to the subway. They will either take you to the apartment or bring a girl to you, as mentioned in my report.

[Ramher]

Hi. While in HK, I was going through buildings that had 141. Com girls. I saw one door that advertise for a China version of this web site. Can someone please inform me of these sites. Thanks.

Play safe. Ramher

[Tequila Kid]

After reading all the nice report on this place, (Jin Hairun on Mei Hui Road) I went there last night just to find out that it is closed. There was a hand written sign in the elevator which said that the place has closed down and they are looking for someone to take over. What a disappointment!Any update on Jin Hairun spa?

Is it really closed? Or still open for business?

Appreciate any update, or recommendations to similar operations in that area.

-TK.

Address:
Shenzhen
Hairun Acupressure Foot
Address: Shenzhen Meihua Road, Futian District,

[LAMonkey]

Can anyone recommend a decent hotel centrally Located in the Luohu area with internet access? Thanks.

LAMonkey

[Nch883]

In my opinion Sunshine is the best hotel located in Louho. Its on 1 Jiabin Road.


Can anyone recommend a decent hotel centrally Located in the Luohu area with internet access? Thanks.

LAMonkey

[Ramher]

In Hong Kong, there are web sites that advertise ladies is buildings. Then you can go door knocking and choose who you like. In one of those buildings, it had a sticker for a simular web site for China. I would think it is for Shenzhen. I did not write the address down an wonder if anybody has the web address. Thanks. Ramher

[Tiger Sid]

Dear friends I am travelling all yhe way from india and to shenzen for the first time and staying I an area close to louhu station. Can any one help regarding good massage services with extras. Thanks all

[Sailor 222]

Hi folks.

Irritating silence in this thread. Grateful if anyone comments about mongering in Schenzen after universtat. I will be there in two weeks time.

[HowsBeijing]

Hey,

This is my first time with some time in SZ. If anyone is up to go explore some saunas / massage parlors, I'd love a partner in crime / tour guide. I'm in town 2 weeks. I know the ropes. Been to many in Tianjin. Living in Beijing. Just don't know SZ. PM me if anyone is going anywhere and wouldn't mind a tag-along. Cheers.

Thanks,

D

[HowsBeijing]

The Sauna on Haichang Jie, about half way between McDonalds and Mamas, if you know the place, should have FS. I think the name was 'Oriental Pearl' of something like that. Also third floor of the Sakura Spa, opposite the Seagull Restaurant, used to have FS. HJ available there with any massage. Or so it used to be, haven't been there for a long time. Also, pulled two massage girls from the Sakura over the past four years, one of whom was a real hottie.It's called Sea Pearl. All lit up in neon and hard to miss.

I just walked out. It's a Sunday night and the place is totally empty. Not the nicest but whatever. They pretty much knew what I was there for and offered me the VIP oil massage 128rmb or deluxe VIP which was 138rmb and had a little scrub down in one of those wooden bath tubs I always see but have never used.

Next the hostess asked me if I wanted a thin girl or a fat girl. Never been asked that before although I've definitely seen some marshmallows in a few lineups. I guess some folks are into that. And I'm not sayin I haven't jumped on a grenade or two but never paid for it.

My thin girl caught up with me on the stairs going up to the room. She was not in her 20s and had not so great teeth. Straight but a little extra color. Her face was pretty and good skin but some tiny wrinkles around her eyes showed that she'd probably been doing this for a while.

After a short but decent back massage (she had strong hands) she flipped me over and gave the universal "do you want a HJ" sign. I pointed between her legs and said I wanted that. She said it was 500rmb. I came back at her with 300 but she stayed at 500. Maybe could have gotten for 400 but she seemed like she wasn't going to come down, and I wasn't in the mood to haggle.

So for the quality of girl and overall experience, it wasn't really worth 638. I'd rather have stayed in and gotten delivery service for 800. But it's always good to know a place to go for FS.

[HowsBeijing]

Hi all,

As you can probably tell from my post count I am a complete newbie to this city. I've boned a few girls in London where I live but I'll be in SZ next week on business. I'll have Saturday night and Sunday night free for some action!

I've RTFF but information on the Holiday Inn (I believe its in the Nanshan district?) is scarce. Now I'm aware after reading this thread that most of the action is in Luoho or in Futian but aside from heading down to Shekou where apparently there are a few bars, is there any action close to the hotel?

Another question is whether anyone knows whether this hotel (3*) is girl-friendly?

And lastly how does one get an "escort" type service. Dragging a girl all the way over from Luoho sounds like a lot of effort!

Any help is appreciated and in return I'll submit a report of anything I find!

The hotel is where Binhai avenue crosses Nanhai avenue.Oh yes it is. Just go to the 3rd floor. I just sent home an outcall girl I paid 800 for off the internet (who treked over an hour from louhu where I could have paid 300). I got off the elevator on 3 and to go to the Japanese restaurant you have to walk past the KTV club. I caught the lineup about to enter a room. There were probably 20 girls all 8s and above and young waiting around. I first thought it was some event letting out. Apparently all the displaced girls in shenzhen are on the 3rd floor of the holiday inn donghua. Its Tuesday night and I saw a Friday night lineup. I'm definitely going to investigate tomorrow and ill post an update.

[Jamie5063]

It's called Sea Pearl. All lit up in neon and hard to miss.

I just walked out. It's a Sunday night and the place is totally empty. Not the nicest but whatever. They pretty much knew what I was there for and offered me the VIP oil massage 128rmb or deluxe VIP which was 138rmb and had a little scrub down in one of those wooden bath tubs I always see but have never used.

Next the hostess asked me if I wanted a thin girl or a fat girl. Never been asked that before although I've definitely seen some marshmallows in a few lineups. I guess some folks are into that. And I'm not sayin I haven't jumped on a grenade or two but never paid for it.

My thin girl caught up with me on the stairs going up to the room. She was not in her 20s and had not so great teeth. Straight but a little extra color. Her face was pretty and good skin but some tiny wrinkles around her eyes showed that she'd probably been doing this for a while.

After a short but decent back massage (she had strong hands) she flipped me over and gave the universal "do you want a HJ" sign. I pointed between her legs and said I wanted that. She said it was 500rmb. I came back at her with 300 but she stayed at 500. Maybe could have gotten for 400 but she seemed like she wasn't going to come down, and I wasn't in the mood to haggle.

So for the quality of girl and overall experience, it wasn't really worth 638. I'd rather have stayed in and gotten delivery service for 800. But it's always good to know a place to go for FS.Thanks for the report or should I say warning. Guys that is one to stay well clear off heaps of saunas in Shenzhen give HJ at least one hour 90 mins even 2 hours for 138 included. Some better ones you need 100 tip. If they quote 500 extra Walk out, Tell them on the way your not happy. I have never been quoted that much before and now cannot remember the last time I tipped? Have another you will find a good one or two easy by 600. Also 40 yo Chinese look 25 when you first arrive no wrinkles till 30 normally later. Learn some basic Chinese how much, too expensive 50 or 500? Read the form don't spoil my retirement.

[Jamie5063]

24h trip to SZ to visit a friend-with-benefits. We stayed at Panglin Hotel, not too bad and price is reasonable, though the idea that it's a 5star hotel is absurd. Maybe it was in the 1990s.

Had a visit with her to the East Hawaii Sauna futher down Jiabin Lu. This place is semi-luxurious, and all the massage is pretty good, but it's a rip-off in a sense. You pay 128 RMB just to go in, and this covers the use of the showers, spa, pool, etc. For everything else, you're presented with a chit for 'tips'. So, at the end of the day you pay about double. Had good foot massage (though no soak, just massage for 45 mins) acceptable pedicure, then 45 mins Chinese style massage. You enter on 1st floor, showers and lockers there. Up to second floor for footie. Then hike up to fifth floor for the body massage (all clothed.)

What's on third and fourth floors? You may well ask. Since I was with a lady, no chance to investigate thoroughly, but looks like this is where you can get HJ / FS. They have pics of girls and their numbers, you can choose. May go back again for more research soon. Have to say, that the girl who did my (legit) body massage was smokin', and I'd like to see her again when I an unencumbered.

But beware the way the price adds up. The reason for this is that the staff there work for free. No, I am not kidding. They get no salary. All they get are the tips you give them when you sign the chit. Makes me feel bad, but this is SZ management style. The girls said they were happy to have the job.If you see other woman in the place your in the wrong place

[Tequila Kid]

Anyone know if Jinhai Run has re-opened?

Good experience the last time I went, but was reported closed a few months ago.

-TK.


After the mixed reviews on Jinhai Run, I went back just before the new year. I got there about 4 pm (the place opens at 3) , and saw the manager Ah Yum (who doesn't speak English I'm afraid).

The deal is:

$399 for one girl. 60 mins, one shot.

$499 for one girl. 100 mins, two shots.

$599 for two girl. 100 mins, one shot with each – the deal here is that one of the two girls only stays for 30 mins.

I thought I'the give the $599 two girl package a go, altho when I've done this previously, it's usually been too much to handle and the girls interact with each other more than they do with you. Anyway, I went to a room and they presented me with a lineup. It was somewhat early so they only had 4 girls. One was small, slim, long black hair, the type I like – she was no 66. The rest were so-so-ish, but I chose a second one. I told Ah Hum I'the like 66 to stay with me the whole time, and the so-so-ish I just wanted for the first 30 mins. Fine.

The girls disappear and get ready. 66 comes back and 'prepares' me. Showers me thoro'ly then starts sucking my dick on the bed. At this juncture – about 15 mins in – the second one comes in. She didn't mess about: a quick bit of sucking, then on with the condom and hops onto the old fellow. Bit of fake squealing from her – I'm in mish with 66 kneeling behind, pushing me ('helping'). OK, I blow my load and Miss X disappears.

No 66 continues. She had been well trained: licking all over, ice and fire, rimming, crawling underneath, put a thin plastic hairnet over my feet and chewed / licked them (v hygienic! LOL)

Then she got the ole man ready for action again and brought me off a second time. I usually can't manage it twice in an hour (altho I did last time at Jin Hai Run too!). But 66 was superb. No GFE, but a real professional. I must go back and see her again.

Address:

&28145; &22323; &37329; &28023; &28516; &25351; &22739; &36275; &28020; Shenzhen Jin Hairun Acupressure Foot

&22320; &22336; : &28145; &22323; &31119; &30000; &21312; &19978; &26757; &26519; &26757; &33775; &36335; 100&34399; &19977; &27155;

3 / F, no. 100 Shenzhen Meihua Road, Futian District.

&22320; &22336; &65306; &28145; &22323; &31119; &30000; &21312; &19978; &26757; &26519; &26757; &33775; &36335; 100&34399; &28516; &20809; &36051; &39208; &19977; &27155; &65288; &26032; &19990; &30028; &30334; &36008; &20596; &65289;

JHR is on the 3rd floor of Run Guang Lu Guan (Hotel). Altho here don't ask for anything at the front desk; ask the guys at the booth outside the entrance.

So, Jin Hai Run is well worth it, is all I can say. Drop by and give #66 one (or two) for me.

JS

[MegaPoint]

If you see other woman in the place your in the wrong placeI wish I could understand that zen-like comment. Don't worry, I won't mess up when I am with someone special.

Anyway, I did go back to Hawaii about 2 weeks ago, but the girl I wanted to see was not on duty yet, and too long to wait. Had another, slightly less fabulous massage girl, who was more talkative however. Gave me her mobile number, when I have a chance to go back I will see how I feel and maybe look her up.

BTW. 4th floor rooms are also legit massage. Still have not figured out why some girls have photos up on the wall on the second floor, always looks like the kind of advert that implies special services. Anyone else been there and know more?

Mega

[Laobaixing]

Still closed, unfortunately. I tend to stay in that neighborhood when I'm in town, so if anyone has some good recommendations in Lianhua Bei I would most appreciate it.


Anyone know if Jinhai Run has re-opened?

Good experience the last time I went, but was reported closed a few months ago.

-TK.

[Captain America]

Hey Guys, I've provided this info for shanghai but since I rarely come to shenzhen I don't know any numbers for reliable incall. Can someone help me out?

[Mas 147]

Its been very quiet on this thread lately chaps.

Can any one update the supply situation in Shenzhen?

As I read it, Xiang Xi Cun is dead owing to rebuilding or something.

What about Walmart and the Futian area?

What about Shazui?

Appreciate some feedback guys, I will be there Monday night and will stay where there is some activity to inform all back thereafter.

Mas 147

[Ypretend]

My first time to ShengZhen recently for one night and tried to get some outcall massage with extras to the hotel. Found some numbers from internet and tried calling. However, all needs some form of first time deposit to be paid (RMB200) to them first before they dispatch the girls. (they claim that this is to avoid disappearing act and the money could be used for the payment) Being not local, I don't have internet banking or local ATM account to start with and I refuse to use my credit card for such purpose. At the end, wasted the night.

Appreciate could someone advise is this a market practice and any place in southern China does not have this rule? If it is, what is the best suggestion to get money to the pimp before they dispatch?

If there is no easy way, could anyone point to good website that I get individual girls via local call / internet without the hassle?

Thank you in advance.

[Pushkin13]

My first time to ShengZhen recently for one night and tried to get some outcall massage with extras to the hotel. Found some numbers from internet and tried calling. However, all needs some form of first time deposit to be paid (RMB200) to them first before they dispatch the girls. (they claim that this is to avoid disappearing act and the money could be used for the payment) Being not local, I don't have internet banking or local ATM account to start with and I refuse to use my credit card for such purpose. At the end, wasted the night.

Appreciate could someone advise is this a market practice and any place in southern China does not have this rule? If it is, what is the best suggestion to get money to the pimp before they dispatch?

If there is no easy way, could anyone point to good website that I get individual girls via local call / internet without the hassle?

Thank you in advance.Never pay in advance.

Never.

Never.

Can you speak Cantonese, or Mandarin? Can you make the universal f*k sign (finger in closed fist)? You can ask the bell hop, or some of the other hotel flunkies. Works most times, depending on Central Government crackdown, local hotel rules, knowledge and trust of the bellhop.

Enjoy and report.

P13

[Bnlee2]

My first time to ShengZhen recently for one night and tried to get some outcall massage with extras to the hotel. Found some numbers from internet and tried calling. However, all needs some form of first time deposit to be paid (RMB200) to them first before they dispatch the girls. (they claim that this is to avoid disappearing act and the money could be used for the payment) Being not local, I don't have internet banking or local ATM account to start with and I refuse to use my credit card for such purpose. At the end, wasted the night.

Appreciate could someone advise is this a market practice and any place in southern China does not have this rule? If it is, what is the best suggestion to get money to the pimp before they dispatch?

If there is no easy way, could anyone point to good website that I get individual girls via local call / internet without the hassle?

Thank you in advance.Can you just RTFF. You will be wiser.

[LeSoLiDe]

Hi,

Here I'm more an agency type customer. Is there a good one to contact in Shenzhen that speaks english that give good full service? I also like to do business with indy. Know anybody? I had a good more mature girl last few times but she doesn't speak english and I'm tired of her.

[Mianbao]

From exit A of Gangsha MTR station you will see stalls selling street food and other stuff just in front of you. Walk through these and turn left into the side street under the archway. Walk past the primary school and take the first right, you will enter an area with narrow side streets which are lined with shops and residential apartments above. Walk around this area and you will find a few HJ places dotted around. You can't really miss them, bored looking girls sitting inside waiting for customers.

As a westerner who speaks Mandarin was quoted 90 for a standard HJ. 135 if including breast massage, and 200 if they get naked (no FS). Presume these are foreigner prices. The girl I choose in one place was pleasant but service a bit mechanical and had to ask her to stop the fake moaning.

From earlier posts in this thread presume there is also FS available in the apartments in this area.

I will be doing more exploring in SZ, I hope some other punters can also post some clearer directions. No offense intended to anyone but this thread seems a bit vague compared to SH and BJ for example.

[Wnfaknd]

Hi all,

I am a newbie here in this forum. I will be moving to Shenzhen in a short while from Lala Land, California. Since I will be there living for a long while. I would very much appreciate if there are info on any service apartments around the LoHu area or Fu Tian area. Reasonable priced and good clean will do. Much obliged.

[SockerGalten]

Hi!

I am returning to Shenzhen at the 30 of December and stay until the 4th of jan for business.

Had some bad exp last time so I need a wingman for this trip LOL, anyone?

Jonas

[John Smart]

Hey! I am returning to Shenzhen soon and would like to get some information.

Can anyone help me?

Why are all these idiots wasting everyone's time posting such imbecilic drivel?

Fur fox ache RTFF.

JS

[TigreTigre99]

I have been living in Shenzhen for about 4 months. I have not done too much whoring, but I will share what I have found.

Number 1, this is a easy city to get laid in without paying. Chinese girls love foreigners, so if you plan to be here for a while or numerous visits try to get into the bar scene.

I am currently fucking hot 24 year old. I am around 40. I have also had a 22 year old, and 27 year old. All hot.

Number 2, the streets prostitutes in Shekou look pretty aged to me, and not worth 500 or 300 rmb in my book. The same goes from what I have seen from the outside of the bars off of Taizi and on the alley behind Taizi called chicken street. These bars are hosts bars, and I am sure you would have to buy a few rounds before you get down to business.

Number 3, there is a lot more action in the Lohu area. Just walk around the Shangri-La at almost anytime of the day and you will be solicited.

It is about an 45 minutes Taxi (15 dollars or so) ride from Shekou and about 15 minute ride from Futian. If your main goal is to get fuck prostitutes in Shenzhen, this with out a doubt the area to stay.

Finally, labor is cheap in China. Don't overpay. 100 rmb is roughly 15 USA dollars. This is a city where you can get a hair cut and a 20 minute massage for 8 USA dollars.

I recently got an HJ at the Pearl Place in Shekou mentioned in previous posts. I was offered it at 200 rmb, I was counter with 100, and we settled for 150. This is far less than the 500 that was mentioned below. The women who did the service was alright, probably in her late 3os, nice attitude, alright looking,

But I did get a fairly good massage and a very good HJ for a total of about 250 rmb (40 dollars more less). The massage was 100 rmb.

One more thing, HK is very close. 45 minutes or so and the buses run all night. In Shenzhen, I have not found anything remotely as cool as the bars in the Wan Chai area. For 150 USA (I probably overpaid, I was drunk, and it was 5 in the morning) , I got an hour of action. The bars there are teaming with prostitutes, about 50 pretty young and hot girls I went to. All types, Colombian, Asian, white, etc. You choose the one you want, and she will lead you to a nearby hotel that rents rooms for an hour.

If anyone knows of a place in Shenzhen that compares, please share.

[Firebird]

I will have extended stay at the Marco Polo. Just made search in the Forum but did not come up with much infomation. To all the local experts any fun places, freelancers bars or soapies nearby? Sure would appreciate the input.

Firebird

[PeterPan69]

Hi Guys

Hope you can help me, I will be travelling to Shenzhen later this month and will be staying at the Crown Plaza in Shennan Road.

Any sauna or massage places that will offer a nice massage and a BJ?

Any specific hotel thats close to this Crown Plaza hotel that has a good sauna or massage place that offers a BJ and massage.

I have tried tied to search the forum but nothing make sense as I have only been to Shanghai a few times and never been in Shenzhen before.

Anything Shenzhen are famous for? Maybe something like red rope like in Shanghai. Let me know please.

Any help will be appreciated.

Thanks guys,

PeterPan

[ChinaReise2012]

Hi guys, this girl is called Nana, She's in Shenzhen.

Pricing like average.

200-300 Yuan FS 60mins.

Ask for "Shenzhen001"

I'm Ralf.

I can help.

[Johnps]

Hi guys, this girl is called Nana, She's in Shenzhen.

Pricing like average.

200-300 Yuan FS 60mins.

Ask for "Shenzhen001"

I'm Ralf.

I can help.Can Chinareise2012 be moved to the classified adds part of the Forum.

JohnPS

[John Smart]

Hi guys, this girl is called Nana, She's in Shenzhen.

Pricing like average.

200-300 Yuan FS 60mins.

Ask for "Shenzhen001"

I'm Ralf.

I can help.Looks about as happy as a turd on a log.

If it's an ad, it's a pretty poor one.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Can Chinareise2012 be moved to the classified adds part of the Forum.

JohnPSTo Johnps,

I think he try to post info in the Classified section info have been dellete by Jackson, not sure if he is a paid member try to PM him and I don't see any ISG member try to use service look a little fake to me.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sukhumvitter]

I have been living in Shenzhen for about 4 months. I have not done too much whoring, but I will share what I have found.

Number 1, this is a easy city to get laid in without paying. Chinese girls love foreigners, so if you plan to be here for a while or numerous visits try to get into the bar scene.

I am currently fucking hot 24 year old. I am around 40. I have also had a 22 year old, and 27 year old. All hot.

-.

If anyone knows of a place in Shenzhen that compares, please share.I would like to hear more about these regular girls you are meeting. Where are you meeting them? How long are you dating them before having sex? Are you telling them you are looking for a wife?

I find that many Chinese girls do like to meet foreigners, have dinner and practice English, but do not want to hook up sexually. You can easily get a date here. They see it as a free meal and English lesson. But this doesn't lead to a romp back at your apartment. I have found that non-bar girls can be quite sexually conservative actually.

Any suggestions?

[Firebird]

I just made an extensive search of the forum to see if I find any reports for action near the Crowne Plaza on Nanhu road. But came up empty handed. Can any of the local experts provide some advise for action, freelance bars or FS massage places near the hotel in the Luohu District. Perhaps mamasans provide local talent? . Would appreciate some information.

[Tylerpd]

I will have extended stay at the Marco Polo. Just made search in the Forum but did not come up with much infomation. To all the local experts any fun places, freelancers bars or soapies nearby? Sure would appreciate the input.

FirebirdJust step out the Side Lobby Door on the ATM Side after dark they will find you.

[TigreTigre99]

I would like to hear more about these regular girls you are meeting. Where are you meeting them? How long are you dating them before having sex? Are you telling them you are looking for a wife?

I find that many Chinese girls do like to meet foreigners, have dinner and practice English, but do not want to hook up sexually. You can easily get a date here. They see it as a free meal and English lesson. But this doesn't lead to a romp back at your apartment. I have found that non-bar girls can be quite sexually conservative actually.

Any suggestions?Well, I found the opposite. Be a gentleman. Girls anywhere want to be respected not treated like an object. It helps to make a few friends and get introduced. It may take a couple of dates, but you'll get there. I haven't promised marriage or anything like that at all. In bed, they are quite sexually conservative. At least the ones I have meet, no BJ, no french kissing, (it turns out that some Chinese think french kissing is just between married couples) but FS! I generally have closed on the second date. I am trying to think what other advice to give you. For my experience age and looks don't really matter.

[ABCinLA]

After spending just about 3 weeks in CP I always spend the last night in shenzhen in Luohu before heading over to HKG. I like to make a swing by both the pink apartments and the old "Seibu" area where you'll now find a McDonalds. Well the night started out well at the pink apts where I found a girl I last did in 2008. I was a bit sad that she was still in the business and told her I'll give her 150 instead of what the mommie wanted (120). She had a super size pair of tits which I previously posted and they're still good but now just a bit saggy.

Now its time to go over to the "Seibu" area where after a not too long search I thought I found what I liked (she was on the phone the whole time during the line up so no positive signs). The first really big warning sign was when she refused to shower with me and just wanted to get down to business. While on the bed she starts to raised her voice significantly as I wasn't doing exactly what she wants (I don' know much if any mandarin just some cantonese which as never been a big problem before). Well after a total of 4 minutes or so naked in bed together and a quick tit grope I proceeded to get up and dress. Of course she then proceeds to call the "muscle" and says I got to pay her 100 anyway. I said no way and waited for the "muscle" in the living room area. Next one young tough guy walks in and we justed started to debate. He figures I'm not for China / Macau / HK and after talking to the girl opens the door to let me leave (ten minutes or so of arguments). I first wave the girl to go and then the muscle with me last (figured its better to be behind the "muscle" walking down darkened stairs). I relented and gave him 20 which he says will go to the girl for her trouble; hopefully he keeps it.

After some searching around for a second round I got stopped by a mommie before the main pink apt main drag (police crackdown at the time). Upon entering her apt there's a late teen / early 20s guy sitting in the living room. He appears harmless enough while she tries to find me what I want. Well I do find one close enough to my check list and we both observed him supposedly sleeping behind some partially curtailed area on our way to the bathroom for a quick dick wash. Nice sauna girl type BBBJ to end the day. It does appear now lots of the girls in the Luohu area communte in and a lot less is available after 8pm.

[Sammon]

Well, I found the opposite. Be a gentleman. Girls anywhere want to be respected not treated like an object. It helps to make a few friends and get introduced. It may take a couple of dates, but you'll get there. I haven't promised marriage or anything like that at all. In bed, they are quite sexually conservative. At least the ones I have meet, no BJ, no french kissing, (it turns out that some Chinese think french kissing is just between married couples) but FS! I generally have closed on the second date. I am trying to think what other advice to give you. For my experience age and looks don't really matter.Chinese girls do not like to french kiss because of two reasons. One is they think they will catch germs from you and other is they are afraid you will not like the taste from their mouth. Once they start FK after couple of dates they will kiss all the time even in public. As for sex they need more teaching. Sometimes they do CBJ or if BBBJ but do not like the taste and constantly clearing the throat or they will bring the waste basket and spit into them. I guess swallowing is out of question. One girl just got on top and did not know how to move. I had to hold her hips and teach her. Other one wanted missionary only. Once they get the experience they are more liberal. Chinese guys just get on top and once they are done that is it. None of the regular girls I met and dated were experienced in sex. I am talking about young 18-23 years of age. Even the P4P young girls are no different. They also have never experienced sex more than one time a day. But I like to be the teacher and these porcelain dolls with big boobs are a delight to be taught and experienced. Once they become accustomed to our way of sex they are more than happy to be sex slaves.

[GroverClevelan]

I was initially put off by the high prices I saw being thrown around to get down in Shenzhen. I don't want to go to a sauna or nothin'. I want enough left over for some Burger King.

As soon as I walked over from Lo Wu, there were touts sidling up with "Massagey! Sexa!" I kept strolling and found a walking street off Xiangxi Lu, between Chunfeng Lu and Shennan Donglu. Off the walking street, there are five or six alleys. I strolled through a few times and heard "Massage!" and "Versace!" and kept going. I came back about an hour later, around dusk.

Tout auntie working the alley told me a hundred fifty and brought me upstairs. 26 year old girl, Jiangxi. Bizarre experience coming from up north, where the price is roughly the same but the broad will be 10-15 years older and it's a get-it-over-with experience. She was cute. She was sweet. She didn't ask for more money. She let me pick her up and put her down and do whatever the hell I wanted- and, in my decade of doing this, she seemed into it or at least not disgusted by the whole enterprise. And honestly, it renewed my faith in the profession of prostitution.

I went and messed around in Hong Kong for a week and came back to the same area. Same vibe. Tout auntie took me upstairs, three girls on a bed, early-to-mid-20s, one working on a cross stitch and the others watching TV. Picked the girl that stood up. Skinny, skinny girl from Changsha. 24, messed up teeth. We went to another room and she was chill and I got good vibes. It was good. She dragged me with her to the shower and while showering she said, You shoulda told her you wanted to spend the night with me. I asked the price and she said she wasn't sure but she'd ask when we were done. Four hundred. We walked around Dongmen, went back to my hotel and froze in the airconditioning and did it again. She walked me back to the border in the morning.

Two girls, honest total cost, with auntie pay off + tips + incidentals: about eight hundred. I was happy.

[Peter Eastwest]

Back in SZ this week after a spell "at his Royal Saudi Majesty's pleasure" in a "not-very-nice-hotel" in Riyaddh as result of a party involving nurses and alcohol.

I am a BIG GUY of 250 pounds so I could "avoid the attentions"! Of other inmates but I really felt sorry for the smaller and younger guys there. OOOOOOooooooh? Make you weep! And I am sure the girls got lots of "attention" there as well! Poor things!

Anyway. Back in SZ at last on my first posting after the "interruption" and my first stop after the border at LoWu was a pink apartment girl from SiChuan on 15th floor of central north building. I was BURSTING man-milk and had to download quickly and took pretty well the first girl offered, despite better judjements and she was SHITE. I ended up wanking over her face because she was a real wet fish. Maybe cold weather did not help because she had goose-skin because of cold and no heating there. They should heat the bloody rooms in cold days like this!

Will be working in SheKou again from tomorrow for two weeks and will report from there. I am sure I will "strike better oil" there than Miss Wet Fish in LoWu.

PE.

PS back to HK at weekend for some REALLY HOT sexy Indo, Viette and Thai talent. Oh. How I have missed them¬¬¬¬¬¬! Will repor again. Welccome back!

[SE Asia Joe]

Back in SZ this week after a spell "at his Royal Saudi Majesty's pleasure" in a "not-very-nice-hotel" in Riyaddh as result of a party involving nurses and alcohol.

I am a BIG GUY of 250 pounds so I could "avoid the attentions"! Of other inmates but I really felt sorry for the smaller and younger guys there. OOOOOOooooooh? Make you weep! And I am sure the girls got lots of "attention" there as well! Poor things!

Anyway. Back in SZ at last on my first!WOT?

Am I to understand that you actually got busted and was jailed in Saudi for alcohol and gals?

What?

Would be very interested to hear more about this. The circumstances, the trial, the sojourn, the aftermath. In fact anything and everything about this matter, as this is just so foreign to me.

Thanks.

SEAJ

[Ghatotkach]

One of the reasons why one likes to travel to Bangkok for mongering is because the hotels there are girl-friendly. I wonder if it is the same in Shenzhen. Could some experienced bros tell me if the hotels are generally girl-friendly? Or, can somebody suggest good girl-friendly hotels in the Louhu / Futian / Longgang areas?

The reason why I am posting in this thread because it is the Shenzhen thread. Thanks for your help.

[ManonsanBoy]

One of the reasons why one likes to travel to Bangkok for mongering is because the hotels there are girl-friendly. I wonder if it is the same in Shenzhen. Could some experienced bros tell me if the hotels are generally girl-friendly? Or, can somebody suggest good girl-friendly hotels in the Louhu / Futian / Longgang areas?

The reason why I am posting in this thread because it is the Shenzhen thread. Thanks for your help.Most do not care if you keep it discreet except in crackdowns!

[Peter Eastwest]

Yes. We had " a Problem" and it cost money and time. Maybe take offline because others not wanting to broadcast. I shouldn't haev mentioned but the day out was first encounter with the two evils beer and women so I spoke more than I shold.

Yesterday went to Shekou to see supplier and dropped into cChicken treet for a beer in the afternoon. A few bars open and I saw some old friends. The ga; s. From before. One new girl took my fancy and I had one finger in her pussy and one finger up her arse within two minutes of sittong up on my barstool. She was horny as hell. Got real wet down there and wasn't faking it when I rubbed her clit. She had no panties on to start and her skirt was six inches lomg. Name of "Kiki" in Flower Bar. I would have taken her then but didn't have to much time and did not get back later in the evening but definitely will before weekend. Cost for experience (DFK, pussy and arse) one beer and one lady drink.

PE.


WOT?

Am I to understand that you actually got busted and was jailed in Saudi for alcohol and gals?

What?

Would be very interested to hear more about this. The circumstances, the trial, the sojourn, the aftermath. In fact anything and everything about this matter, as this is just so foreign to me.

Thanks.

SEAJ

[Ghatotkach]

Most do not care if you keep it discreet except in crackdowns!Thanks for your message. Does that mean that if I get a girl to visit me in my hotel room for a couple of hours, she can walk into my room without her or me being asked questions?

[Rab141]

Dear forum members,

I am a newbie traveling in 2 weeks to Shenzen. Will be there for a few days. I gather things have changed and options are drying out.

I'd very much appreciate suggestions for mongering in Futian or nearby areas? I couldn't find recent posts with any.

Are there reliable outcall agencies, if so can I get some contact info please?

[Sammon]

One of the reasons why one likes to travel to Bangkok for mongering is because the hotels there are girl-friendly. I wonder if it is the same in Shenzhen. Could some experienced bros tell me if the hotels are generally girl-friendly? Or, can somebody suggest good girl-friendly hotels in the Louhu / Futian / Longgang areas?

The reason why I am posting in this thread because it is the Shenzhen thread. Thanks for your help.If you go to a good hotel it is GF. Small local cheap hotels are not GF for foreigners. Some take 11PM curfew very seriously. If you get the girl earlier and she stays till morning it is OK. One time two girl (My friends-Non working) came to stay with me but the hotel employees knocked on the door around 11. 30 PM and told me I am only allowed one girl. I feigned I do not understand Mandarin and kept them for another 2 hours but they kept on calling me. Ultimately I got tired of this and told the girls to leave. I have seen local guys come and go at will with girls.

[TigreTigre99]

So I went to place with the large red sign on HouHai Dado and Gonye 7. The place is on Houhai Dado, between Gongye 7 and 8, on the north (bay side) of the street, has a large red sign with Chinese characters. It was my first time there and not knowing to expect, I got lead into a massage room, and choose a girl. The place is a little more upscale the most other places. The girl was nice, chatting, and we spoke in my very limited Chinese for about 1/2 hour while she was massaging. She eventually propositions me (I was sure she was, I don't know the world for f*ck in Chinese!) , but we settled on 500 RMB. We didn't and it was okay, not great, not bad. But I thought I would share the location and the place. I have been to 3 HJ places in Shekou . They are all over old shekou, but this was the first place for FS that I have found.

[SockerGalten]

I am going abck to Shenzhen at the 30 th of December until the 4th of jan. I wish to find me a wing man, anyone?

Jonas

[FrankBusiness]

I am in Shenzhen from 2. 20 January. Can somebody tell me where I should go to find a nice young girl (18. 19 year) for taking to my hotel for some good hours of a night. I stay in the Metropark hotel. What is the price for a good FS in Shenzhen?

I am looking for 8+ girls, very good looking and good thin body. Anyone who can give me the a good advice where to find them?

I go search in some area's in Shenzhen myselve and update my result here. Hope that I get a reaction from somebody who can help me.

Frank

[Bnlee2]

I am in Shenzhen from 2. 20 January. Can somebody tell me where I should go to find a nice young girl (18. 19 year) for taking to my hotel for some good hours of a night. I stay in the Metropark hotel. What is the price for a good FS in Shenzhen?

I am looking for 8+ girls, very good looking and good thin body. Anyone who can give me the a good advice where to find them?

I go search in some area's in Shenzhen myselve and update my result here. Hope that I get a reaction from somebody who can help me.

FrankGuys. Let me be the first to reply.

You could start by RTFF. You will know. Shenzhen is heavily traveled by many mongers.

Tried to send you a private msg but to no avail. You may want to get a subscription and PM a senior member about possible location.

No, I do not work for Jackson but he is a heck of a nice guy to put up with all this traffic / chatters.

[Mas 147]

What's with the RTFF guys?

Its good to ask the question as there may have been changes. Most of the time, the information in the forum is out of date so gentlemen, why not be helpful.

Frankbusiness, there will be mommys galore around the Lowu area esp around the shangrila.

Problem is that most of the girls are shit scared of going to do LT. My suggestion is just go and ask for 18-19 year olds and then choose one from the line up. It can be a little intimidating at first because you are brought up to an apartment for the line up, and usually expected to do the deed in the apartment.

BTW, a 25 year old Chinese girls looks around 19 western girl. The going rate is 150-200 ST. So apart from the hard body, I would nt expect too much unless you are very very lucky.

Mas 147

[LuluChina]

Well, before I go to Changping, spent time in Shenzhen.

Girl name : Hui Hui from Sitsuan.

Age : 23.

Face : 4/5.

Body : 4/5.

Height : 159cm or so.

Service : DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CG, Doggy (she loves it) , GF.

Damage : 2, 200 RMB.

Baijou 1 bottle and many beers : 800.

Two girls sitting fee; 600.

Long time : 700.

Waiter tip : 100.

As usual, call Yang mami then led to the room, showed me about 20 girls but there are only 3 or 4 girls are pretty.

Pick different girl this time name is Hui Hui she is quite GF. But not so good at drink.

We got back to my hotel room did kissing, BBBJ, DATY, CG. Then shot.

Took shower then we chat little bit but she vomited twice at the toliet which she was not feeling well due to Baijou.

Well I paid for long time but couldn't bear her sound when she try to vomit on the bed.

When you try her please do not give her more than 6 glass of Baijou.

[Victorian]

I had a couple of days work in Shenzhen and was a bit tired out from a lot of travel before that.

A very cute Chinese girl was going up in my lift at the hotel and she was going into the massage parlour on the 3rd floor. I asked her if she worked there and she did.

So later that night I went there to find her. A couple of older girls were lounging around the entrance, all wearing short skirts. One of them jumped up quite excited when I came in. I guess business was slow. And was disappointed when I asked for the other girl.

I paid the 200rmb for the "massage" in my room. I was thinking even if massage only, it would still be very nice. And maybe extras would be a bonus.

She starts teasing me and then tells me she only does FS, not even massage! If I want just massage, only one girl there does massage. All the other gals are FS.

She was asking an additional 1000rmb for FS. That would make a total of 1200. I negotiated that down to 1000rmb all up, still very expensive but it turned out well worth it.

She stayed for maybe 2 hours and we had a great session. Really nice, long BBBJ and she was really into it.

I hadn't RTFF before, so clearly I overpaid compared to BBS and SW, but it's so much nicer in my own bed. And at least I know my bed is (relatively) clean.

I slept well that night, with a big smile on my face.

I'm not sure of the etiquette here of saying hotel names and girls names too specifically. Happy for someone to guide me on that.

Cheers

[FrankBusiness]

I had a couple of days work in Shenzhen and was a bit tired out from a lot of travel before that.

A very cute Chinese girl was going up in my lift at the hotel and she was going into the massage parlour on the 3rd floor. I asked her if she worked there and she did.

So later that night I went there to find her. A couple of older girls were lounging around the entrance, all wearing short skirts. One of them jumped up quite excited when I came in. I guess business was slow. And was disappointed when I asked for the other girl.

I paid the 200rmb for the "massage" in my room. I was thinking even if massage only, it would still be very nice. And maybe extras would be a bonus.

She starts teasing me and then tells me she only does FS, not even massage! If I want just massage, only one girl there does massage. All the other gals are FS.

She was asking an additional 1000rmb for FS. That would make a total of 1200. I negotiated that down to 1000rmb all up, still very expensive but it turned out well worth it.

She stayed for maybe 2 hours and we had a great session. Really nice, long BBBJ and she was really into it.

I hadn't RTFF before, so clearly I overpaid compared to BBS and SW, but it's so much nicer in my own bed. And at least I know my bed is (relatively) clean.

I slept well that night, with a big smile on my face.

I'm not sure of the etiquette here of saying hotel names and girls names too specifically. Happy for someone to guide me on that.

CheersHello, Victorian, can you tell me the name of the Hotel? Did you have more experience during your stay?

How old was the girl? I am in Shenzhen next week and looking for some nice young girls to spent a good time with BBBJ and FS on my room in the Metropark Hotel.

Still hope that some more people here can give me some details where I can find these nice girls for fun in my room!

Off course I go have a look on some places and report you fromn my experience but I still hope that I can get some more help for the forum readers.

Frank

[OldAsiaHand]

I hadn't RTFF before, so clearly I overpaid compared to BBS and SW, but it's so much nicer in my own bed. And at least I know my bed is (relatively) clean.

I slept well that night, with a big smile on my face.

I'm not sure of the etiquette here of saying hotel names and girls names too specifically. Happy for someone to guide me on that.

CheersVictorian,

I think I know the hotel you were staying at from the title of your post. I used to stay there quite often. Are you sure the massage place was not on the 4th floor?

Most hotel massage girls in Shenzhen will start to offer at 1, 000 tip for FS. The majority of them will agree for 800 all in and occassionally you can get lucky for 600-700 all in (very rare nowadays) , especially if you pretend like you could take it or leave it and only want the massage. In some hotels, the girls get nothing out of the massage fee and can end up emptyhanded if you do not tip them, even for only the massage. So, what you paid is not so far out of line. Especially if the girl was hot and provided good service. This is the price you have to pay for the convenience of the in-house option in the comfort of your own hotel room with not much effort.

That area used to offer a lot of BBS and SW but most have gone in the wave of development. It is always helpful to have a few contact numbers that you can call to deliver BBS girls from outside to your room if you want to save some money. And, there used to be a tout standing outside the front of the hotel handling out cards. His girls used to be 400-500RMB FS because he had to give a cut to the hotel guys tp hang out there. Is he still there?

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

Well, before I go to Changping, spent time in Shenzhen.

Girl name : Hui Hui from Sitsuan.

Age : 23.

Face : 4/5.

Body : 4/5.

Height : 159cm or so.

Service : DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CG, Doggy (she loves it) , GF.

Damage : 2, 200 RMB.Lulu,

Wow! That was an expensive evening. But, LT for 700RMB is not bad for Shenzhen. Or, was it 300 sitting + 700 LT?

Just my POV.

OAH

[OldAsiaHand]

What's with the RTFF guys?

Mas 147Mas 147,

It is obvious that the guy read nothing on the thread by the questions he asked. Why do we bother to write reports?

Just my POV.

OAH

[Victorian]

Hi OAH.

Yes, you're right. It might have been the 4th floor; my visit there was over a month ago and it's hard for me to remember yesterday, let alone a couple of months ago! .

And I don't think my cryptic clue in the header was very cryptic.

It was 1000 all up. I had already paid 200rmb as a massage fee and the initial request was for an additional 1000 for FS and after some negotiation, including a phone call to the mamasan, my offer of an additional 800 was accepted.

I really would have been happy with just a good massage to relax, but the girl was so nice I would have hated to send her away empty handed.

It was pretty weird that of all the girls in the massage centre of the hotel, only one girl actually does massage! .

I think it's much safer to have a girl who works at your hotel come to your room than some outsider you have no idea of. The stories you occassionally hear of guys getting caught with a WL are pretty scary, although most of those seem to be blackmail / shakedowns by a good ol' Chinese business partner. Also, a girl from the hotel has less risk of theft, so overall worth a couple of hundred extra rmb.

And the girl turned out to be very horny, great in bed (loved BBBJ) and she stayed for at least a couple of hours, so good value.

I had a couple of walks around that hotel and didn't see any WLs, obvious BBS or touts. In fact, the whole area was disappointingly respectable! .

[Ghatotkach]

Hi OAH.

Yes, you're right. It might have been the 4th floor; my visit there was over a month ago and it's hard for me to remember yesterday, let alone a couple of months ago! .

And I don't think my cryptic clue in the header was very cryptic.

It was 1000 all up. I had already paid 200rmb as a massage fee and the initial request was for an additional 1000 for FS and after some negotiation, including a phone call to the mamasan, my offer of an additional 800 was accepted.

I really would have been happy with just a good massage to relax, but the girl was so nice I would have hated to send her away empty handed.

It was pretty weird that of all the girls in the massage centre of the hotel, only one girl actually does massage! .

I think it's much safer to have a girl who works at your hotel come to your room than some outsider you have no idea of. The stories you occassionally hear of guys getting caught with a WL are pretty scary, although most of those seem to be blackmail / shakedowns by a good ol' Chinese business partner. Also, a girl from the hotel has less risk of theft, so overall worth a couple of hundred extra rmb.

And the girl turned out to be very horny, great in bed (loved BBBJ) and she stayed for at least a couple of hours, so good value.

I had a couple of walks around that hotel and didn't see any WLs, obvious BBS or touts. In fact, the whole area was disappointingly respectable! .Hi Victorian,

Your report and the rest of the discussion made great reading. I am going to be in Shenzhen in February and have been trying to get some great leads. Could you tell me the name of the hotel you stayed in? Not being familiar with the City, it would be of great help. Thanks for your help. And perhaps I could use the services of the girl who obviously made you so happy.

[Victorian]

Hi Ghato.

I sent you a PM with the info you asked for.

Enjoy.


Hi Victorian,

Your report and the rest of the discussion made great reading. I am going to be in Shenzhen in February and have been trying to get some great leads. Could you tell me the name of the hotel you stayed in? Not being familiar with the City, it would be of great help. Thanks for your help. And perhaps I could use the services of the girl who obviously made you so happy.

[LuluChina]

Yes, sitting is 300 and LT for 700 = 1, 000.


Lulu,

Wow! That was an expensive evening. But, LT for 700RMB is not bad for Shenzhen. Or, was it 300 sitting + 700 LT?

Just my POV.

OAH

[Ghatotkach]

I am coming to Shenzhen and my vendor has booked me in the Jisheng Hotel Longgang Branch Address: East Longping Road, Longcheng Town. Has anybody stayed in this area and could somebody please enlighten me on this hotel? Suggestions on mongering activities here are welcome. I visited the website and found some very good pictures but no reviews. Thank you for your help.

[OldAsiaHand]

Hi Victorian,

Your report and the rest of the discussion made great reading. I am going to be in Shenzhen in February and have been trying to get some great leads. Could you tell me the name of the hotel you stayed in? Not being familiar with the City, it would be of great help. Thanks for your help. And perhaps I could use the services of the girl who obviously made you so happy.Ghatokach,

Nearly all 4-star local hotels in Shenzhen, and most of China for that matter, offer the same in-house service. There will usually be some form of advertising for it in the room under the guise of "Massage","Hair Salon", or "Sauna". A lot of times it is a tent card on the bedside table.

Happy Hunting!

OAH

P.S. You can always refuse the one they send to the room and they will send another girl, but they normally do not have more than half a dozen girls, max, on site.

[Loveasiangirls]

Hi OAH.

It was 1000 all up. I had already paid 200rmb as a massage fee and the initial request was for an additional 1000 for FS and after some negotiation, including a phone call to the mamasan, my offer of an additional 800 was accepted.In the past I have dealt with the tout outside the Crowne Plaza. He gets a girl within 5 minutes and you take her to your room if you like her. Usually young and cute. Never paid more than 300RMB

[Dinotrex]

Could you possibly pm me the same info? I'll be there in April.

Thank you in advance!


Hi Ghato.

I sent you a PM with the info you asked for.

Enjoy.

[Sky Ryder]

I was in Shenzhen last night for an event, and stayed at the Grandview Hotel in Futian.

I hadn't stayed here before, but on my way to the room saw the signboard for foot and "body massage". I got off the elevator on the floor with the massage center to check their prices. I wasn't expecting anything other than a "veggie" massage place, but noticed more than a few girls in short skirted massage uniforms scurrying about.

After the event decided to check it out, thinking I needed a good oil massage. The manager asked me what I wanted and when I told him an oil massage, got the universal "you want handjob" signal.

When I asked the price and he told me (600 rmb) , which was a 100% tip over the fee. I declined and he came down to 550, I countered with 400 he said no and I said just a massage then. I figured I would get the ugliest girl they had working, and if so then they had some seriously good looking girls working because the girl was really cute.

It is a good thing that she was cute, because it was the second worst "massage" I have ever had in my life. She tried to convince me to get a hand job. I told her it was too expensive and the massage was fine. Finally she flipped me and asked again if I want the "happy ending", I said of course I want it but I have no money to give her. Then to my amazement, she pulled down my shorts and finished me off. Then she gave me her number and told me to call her the next time I am in town and I can make it up to her.

I am convinced that she figured it was better to give a "free hand job" than to actually have to give me the full 90 mins of massage. I was in the room a total of 19 mins.

I can see that living in CP has spoiled me, and I am out of touch with what the "real world" prices are like. I would love to see if this girl does FS, and will take her up on the offer to call. What I would really like to do is recruit her to work in a KTV, then I could spend 800-100k for an all-nighter!

I will chalk this up to another first time experience, getting a hand job because it is easier than doing a full massage.

Who Knew!

[Gaolei]

What is the condition of the sea world area, Taizi Square. I think the ship is shutdown, because I cannot reserve a room there. What else has been affected by the construction? Is it noisy, restaurants open, nightlife?

Thanks!

[Fast Eddie 48]

I was in Shenzhen last night for an event, and stayed at the Grandview Hotel in Futian.

I hadn't stayed here before, but on my way to the room saw the signboard for foot and "body massage". I got off the elevator on the floor with the massage center to check their prices. I wasn't expecting anything other than a "veggie" massage place, but noticed more than a few girls in short skirted massage uniforms scurrying about.

After the event decided to check it out, thinking I needed a good oil massage. The manager asked me what I wanted and when I told him an oil massage, got the universal "you want handjob" signal.

When I asked the price and he told me (600 rmb) , which was a 100% tip over the fee. I declined and he came down to 550, I countered with 400 he said no and I said just a massage then. I figured I would get the ugliest girl they had working, and if so then they had some seriously good looking girls working because the girl was really cute.

It is a good thing that she was cute, because it was the second worst "massage" I have ever had in my life. She tried to convince me to get a hand job. I told her it was too expensive and the massage was fine. Finally she flipped me and asked again if I want the "happy ending", I said of course I want it but I have no money to give her. Then to my amazement, she pulled down my shorts and finished me off. Then she gave me her number and told me to call her the next time I am in town and I can make it up to her.

I am convinced that she figured it was better to give a "free hand job" than to actually have to give me the full 90 mins of massage. I was in the room a total of 19 mins.

I can see that living in CP has spoiled me, and I am out of touch with what the "real world" prices are like. I would love to see if this girl does FS, and will take her up on the offer to call. What I would really like to do is recruit her to work in a KTV, then I could spend 800-100k for an all-nighter!

I will chalk this up to another first time experience, getting a hand job because it is easier than doing a full massage.

Who Knew!To Sky,

So how much the 90 min massage not I mean the 19 min HJ cost you, I will be in Shenzhen next maybe I can make it up toher for you can you pm me her number.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sky Ryder]

What is the condition of the sea world area, Taizi Square. I think the ship is shutdown, because I cannot reserve a room there. What else has been affected by the construction? Is it noisy, restaurants open, nightlife?

Thanks!The ship is shut down as a hotel, there is a LOT of construction going on, but most of the restaurants are open. As always a couple of new places to eat, and a few of the normal ones still in action.

Terrace is still going strong, as well as the Disco upstairs. Don't know what else to tell you.

[Sky Ryder]

To Sky,

So how much the 90 min massage not I mean the 19 min HJ cost you, I will be in Shenzhen next maybe I can make it up toher for you can you pm me her number.

Fast Eddie 48The massage was 288 for 90 mins, and now I know why they collected the money in advance! .

[Savethe7]

Taizi square is the where the old cruiseship / hotel is? It's been a few years since I have been there but I am going back next month for work, I told them ahead of time there's no way I am staying on that stupid boat again. The floors are on a ridiculous angle and you can't stand up in the shower because the ceiling is so low. This time I am going to try the hotel that's on the corner there since I will have a lot of time to kill, I can wander over to the chicken strip or whatever they call it, the guy that works for my company there loves that place but I have never taken a girl from there yet. Might have to break down and try it this time.

One thing I wanted to do that I haven't done anywhere yet is a KTV, is there a good one in that area?

[Dinotrex]

Hello, Fellow Mongers,

I've done my homework and thanks to you all I have an idea of what to look for. I've been to SZ before but never on my own and always with family so I could never venture off to look for any fun. Luckily I'll be on my own in April and from what I'm reading it looks like the place to stay is the Panglin Hotel for the fact that its in the middle of where lots of the action is and it's close to the Lo Wu transit. I'm seeing on Hotels. Com that I can get a room there for $81 USD per night, which leads to my questions.

1. Is $81 USD per night fair for a room in SZ? Or is that too expensive / cheap?

2. Do you fellas suggest I reserve a room online to lock in the $81 price? Or can I just show up and get the same rate?

3. Or should I just scrap the Panglin idea and stay somewhere else?

[Fast Eddie 48]

The massage was 288 for 90 mins, and now I know why they collected the money in advance! .To Sky

I agree money upfront alway mean bad service 288 rmb in the old day in shenzhen that included FS and 2 shot, inflation and crack down is suck now days.

Fast Eddie 48

[Wilbar]

Taizi square is the where the old cruiseship / hotel is? It's been a few years since I have been there but I am going back next month for work, I told them ahead of time there's no way I am staying on that stupid boat again. The floors are on a ridiculous angle and you can't stand up in the shower because the ceiling is so low. This time I am going to try the hotel that's on the corner there since I will have a lot of time to kill, I can wander over to the chicken strip or whatever they call it, the guy that works for my company there loves that place but I have never taken a girl from there yet. Might have to break down and try it this time.

One thing I wanted to do that I haven't done anywhere yet is a KTV, is there a good one in that area?The hotel on the boat is closed. The hotel on the corner is Honlux Appartments. I stayed there recently. A bit on the expensive side but service is OK. At least they have some sort of western style breakfast and free internet in the room.

[Savethe7]

Thanks Wilbar, it's a work trip so I don't care about the cost of anything other than women since it's not my money. Hopefully there's a good selection that isn't too money hungry, no point in paying anything like what it would cost at home.

[Gaolei]

The ship is shut down as a hotel, there is a LOT of construction going on, but most of the restaurants are open. As always a couple of new places to eat, and a few of the normal ones still in action.

Terrace is still going strong, as well as the Disco upstairs. Don't know what else to tell you.I stayed on the ship once. It was good for me. I had a big room and big comfortable bed. I also stayed at Honlux hotel, as well. It was comfortable. I will probably go there in 2 weeks again. I especially liked its proximity to the donuts shop.

[Nch883]

Hello, Fellow Mongers,

I've done my homework and thanks to you all I have an idea of what to look for. I've been to SZ before but never on my own and always with family so I could never venture off to look for any fun. Luckily I'll be on my own in April and from what I'm reading it looks like the place to stay is the Panglin Hotel for the fact that its in the middle of where lots of the action is and it's close to the Lo Wu transit. I'm seeing on Hotels. Com that I can get a room there for $81 USD per night, which leads to my questions.

1. Is $81 USD per night fair for a room in SZ? Or is that too expensive / cheap?

2. Do you fellas suggest I reserve a room online to lock in the $81 price? Or can I just show up and get the same rate?

3. Or should I just scrap the Panglin idea and stay somewhere else?USD 81 price is OK. Location is also good. May be you can try Sunshine Hotel wich is right opposite Panglin and is a better hotel than Panglin.

[Jamie5063]

I was in Shenzhen last night for an event, and stayed at the Grandview Hotel in Futian.

I hadn't stayed here before, but on my way to the room saw the signboard for foot and "body massage". I got off the elevator on the floor with the massage center to check their prices. I wasn't expecting anything other than a "veggie" massage place, but noticed more than a few girls in short skirted massage uniforms scurrying about.

After the event decided to check it out, thinking I needed a good oil massage. The manager asked me what I wanted and when I told him an oil massage, got the universal "you want handjob" signal.

When I asked the price and he told me (600 rmb) , which was a 100% tip over the fee. I declined and he came down to 550, I countered with 400 he said no and I said just a massage then. I figured I would get the ugliest girl they had working, and if so then they had some seriously good looking girls working because the girl was really cute.

It is a good thing that she was cute, because it was the second worst "massage" I have ever had in my life. She tried to convince me to get a hand job. I told her it was too expensive and the massage was fine. Finally she flipped me and asked again if I want the "happy ending", I said of course I want it but I have no money to give her. Then to my amazement, she pulled down my shorts and finished me off. Then she gave me her number and told me to call her the next time I am in town and I can make it up to her.

I am convinced that she figured it was better to give a "free hand job" than to actually have to give me the full 90 mins of massage. I was in the room a total of 19 mins.

I can see that living in CP has spoiled me, and I am out of touch with what the "real world" prices are like. I would love to see if this girl does FS, and will take her up on the offer to call. What I would really like to do is recruit her to work in a KTV, then I could spend 800-100k for an all-nighter!

I will chalk this up to another first time experience, getting a hand job because it is easier than doing a full massage.

Who Knew!That young dell boy "manager" in the Grandview should be doing the massages as he is a real expert at it. Keeps asking for tips for taking your money just ignore him. Seems like you were ripped off as well. I've quoted the local price when I've walked in and had no problems and good service but the managers attitude stopped me returning.

[Jamie5063]

I am coming to Shenzhen and my vendor has booked me in the Jisheng Hotel Longgang Branch Address: East Longping Road, Longcheng Town. Has anybody stayed in this area and could somebody please enlighten me on this hotel? Suggestions on mongering activities here are welcome. I visited the website and found some very good pictures but no reviews. Thank you for your help.Longgang area was hit bad by the games crackdown subway will take you to better areas in Shenzhen

[Dinotrex]

USD 81 price is OK. Location is also good. May be you can try Sunshine Hotel wich is right opposite Panglin and is a better hotel than Panglin.Thanks NCH, I'll check that out.

[AsnDragon]

Sky Ryder,

Yes I think CP has changed you. But for 400 RMB for a 19 min massage and a HJ is really overpriced in SZ. I mean if it were in Hangzhou or Shanghai or something I could understand because everything is more expensive up there. But for SZ that's just ridiculous.

Never, ever go to those Hotel Massage places. It's always a total ripoff! If I were you, I would just take the taxi or the subway to Louhu area and just pick one of those sleezy sauna massage parlors. They change 288 RMB for an hour massage and HJ to completion. Girls are hot and you can touch their breasts too. Sometimes they will give you their house soup- which is usually a chicken soup afterwards too. It includes a drink of your choice and also a foot massage for free, but you have to tip them at least 10 RMB or 15 RMB etc.

SZ use to be the kind of all mongering activities. It's so sad that it's only a shell of what it use to be.

AsnDragon.


I was in Shenzhen last night for an event, and stayed at the Grandview Hotel in Futian.

I hadn't stayed here before, but on my way to the room saw the signboard for foot and "body massage". I got off the elevator on the floor with the massage center to check their prices. I wasn't expecting anything other than a "veggie" massage place, but noticed more than a few girls in short skirted massage uniforms scurrying about.

After the event decided to check it out, thinking I needed a good oil massage. The manager asked me what I wanted and when I told him an oil massage, got the universal "you want handjob" signal.

When I asked the price and he told me (600 rmb) , which was a 100% tip over the fee. I declined and he came down to 550, I countered with 400 he said no and I said just a massage then. I figured I would get the ugliest girl they had working, and if so then they had some seriously good looking girls working because the girl was really cute.

It is a good thing that she was cute, because it was the second worst "massage" I have ever had in my life. She tried to convince me to get a hand job. I told her it was too expensive and the massage was fine. Finally she flipped me and asked again if I want the "happy ending", I said of course I want it but I have no money to give her. Then to my amazement, she pulled down my shorts and finished me off. Then she gave me her number and told me to call her the next time I am in town and I can make it up to her.

I am convinced that she figured it was better to give a "free hand job" than to actually have to give me the full 90 mins of massage. I was in the room a total of 19 mins.

I can see that living in CP has spoiled me, and I am out of touch with what the "real world" prices are like. I would love to see if this girl does FS, and will take her up on the offer to call. What I would really like to do is recruit her to work in a KTV, then I could spend 800-100k for an all-nighter!

I will chalk this up to another first time experience, getting a hand job because it is easier than doing a full massage.

Who Knew!

[Sammon]

Hello, Fellow Mongers,

I've done my homework and thanks to you all I have an idea of what to look for. I've been to SZ before but never on my own and always with family so I could never venture off to look for any fun. Luckily I'll be on my own in April and from what I'm reading it looks like the place to stay is the Panglin Hotel for the fact that its in the middle of where lots of the action is and it's close to the Lo Wu transit. I'm seeing on Hotels. Com that I can get a room there for $81 USD per night, which leads to my questions.

1. Is $81 USD per night fair for a room in SZ? Or is that too expensive / cheap?

2. Do you fellas suggest I reserve a room online to lock in the $81 price? Or can I just show up and get the same rate?

3. Or should I just scrap the Panglin idea and stay somewhere else?Best hotel I can recommend is days hotel walking distance to train station. Cost is approx 320 RMB. Book through ctrip. Com or elong. Net. Price includes buffett breakfast. Clean modern hotel but room size is small but adequate. No problem in bringing girls. Subway entrance is 2 minute walk. There are plenty of mamasans around and can get a girl ST for 200 and LT for 400.

If you want to splurge there is always shangri la. Cost about 600 RMB. Panglin hotel is far from train station. The girls who hang outside are not good. Ofcourse if you walk the side streets there are massage places cheap.

It is always better to use mamasans rather than pick up a street girl. It is more safer because girls will be afraid that you will complain.

[Mr Enforcer]

What's with the RTFF guys?

Its good to ask the question as there may have been changes. Most of the time, the information in the forum is out of date so gentlemen, why not be helpful.

Frankbusiness, there will be mommys galore around the Lowu area esp around the shangrila.

Problem is that most of the girls are shit scared of going to do LT. My suggestion is just go and ask for 18-19 year olds and then choose one from the line up. It can be a little intimidating at first because you are brought up to an apartment for the line up, and usually expected to do the deed in the apartment.

BTW, a 25 year old Chinese girls looks around 19 western girl. The going rate is 150-200 ST. So apart from the hard body, I would nt expect too much unless you are very very lucky.

Mas 147I am staying at the Century Plaza hotel. Is this near the Shangrila and these apartments?

[Sammon]

I am staying at the Century Plaza hotel. Is this near the Shangrila and these apartments?Century Plaza hotel in Louhu is very near Shangri La. There was a disco there but do not know if it is still open. The disco was good and plenty of working girls. Police might have closed it.

There are many mamasans around. You need not go into the apartments. Mamasans will bring the girls to meet you. ST is generally 200 RMB. LT is around 500 RMB nowadays. Only some girls will do LT if they like you.

Long time ago I always did LT and I made some friends by getting their phone number. But then I was living there.

[Tryfor5]

Will be heading in to SZ around the end of the month. Any fellow mongers willing to show me some of the better venues? Other local advice appreciated as well.

[JohnnyVegas]

Will be heading in to SZ around the end of the month. Any fellow mongers willing to show me some of the better venues? Other local advice appreciated as well.Hey guys. Coming to town for the first time. There was a tour operator here from last year with the 1 hour tour of Guangzhou and then bullet train to Dongguan for 2 hours at ISO sauna. The pictures they had looked great. A full line up of nurses and another lineup of girls in lingerie. Is this only in Dongguan or are they also in SZ? What kind of places are these, where are they, and have you ever been. I'm sure you have! . I'm sure we can do this alone without a tour operator. What do you recommend. BBS, sauna, KTV, outcall, incall. Etc? Anyway can you teach us the routine a little. What's the best hotel. Do they have their own sauna with FS? I'm use to the easy to find MPs and fishbowl places of Thailand. But that took a few trips to learn the routine too.

Thanks in advance!

[Tryfor5]

I've done KTVs, saunas, outcall / incall, etc across East Asia. If you are going in "blind" (not knowing which girl you want) , I like the fishbowl saunas the best as you get a good initial selection and if you want to change out girls it takes like 5 minutes versus 20+ elsewhere. But I'm new to SZ so any tips would be appreciated. Quality first!


Hey guys. Coming to town for the first time. There was a tour operator here from last year with the 1 hour tour of Guangzhou and then bullet train to Dongguan for 2 hours at ISO sauna. The pictures they had looked great. A full line up of nurses and another lineup of girls in lingerie. Is this only in Dongguan or are they also in SZ? What kind of places are these, where are they, and have you ever been. I'm sure you have! . I'm sure we can do this alone without a tour operator. What do you recommend. BBS, sauna, KTV, outcall, incall. Etc? Anyway can you teach us the routine a little. What's the best hotel. Do they have their own sauna with FS? I'm use to the easy to find MPs and fishbowl places of Thailand. But that took a few trips to learn the routine too.

Thanks in advance!

[LuluChina]

Hi,

I visited Shenzhen fuck factory the end of Jan. It is very easy to find it from Sangrila hotel in Lohou.

From Sangrila hotel, make right turn and walk down about 100m then a lots of mamasan will catch you.

Follow them to the 19th floor of the building then mamasan will bring 2 or 3 girls. When you choose then pay 200RMB with girl to the room.

They don't do BBBJ but HJ and fuck.

It is very cheap fuck in Shenzhen. Worth to try

[LuluChina]

I also visit the forest but my experience is somewhat different.

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First, I went up 9th floow by elevator and a man asked me what kind of massge I like.

I whisperer him 398 special and he led me to the locker then gave me the number and short pants and shirts.

I changed it and led to back door room, there are two rooms. Short hair lady with small breast came in.

Name of place: "The Forest"

Price: RMB398 (one shot) ;

Girls: brought one girl and I liked it.

Time: about 30min rushed service.

Free foot massage: Free with FS option (tip choose from 10, 20, 30 but I gave 50)

Face: quite cute about 155cm. 40 45kg with small breast but very soft skin.

Body: nice body but small breast and black Bush. Came from Siuchan.

Services: cat bath, hot / cold CBJ, Doggy, CG, FS but no massage. Only rub down by small breat. DATY (she loves it, loud moaning)

Well, FS part was quite mechanical but she really likes DATY. She felt orgasm I guess.

She didn't do much service to me. Very mechanical.

After that I went out to lounge then asked free foot massage, one girl from Doung Guan gave me very good foot massage and she asked me to have a glass of water. We chatted and I asked her to go out to eat something. She agreed. Which I was lucky.

She told me that wait at 1st floor for her. I waited her about 10 minutes then she came down and went out the building, make right turn there are small street restaurant which sold noodle. We took noodle with beer.

I asked her to come to my hotel but she just want to spend time with me for eating, chatting and drinking beer no fuck.

Well, I gave up after several try but she let me kiss her lip.

I like this foot massage girl very much. I will give another shot tomorrow.

[Domim]

Hi,

I visited Shenzhen fuck factory the end of Jan. It is very easy to find it from Sangrila hotel in Lohou.

From Sangrila hotel, make right turn and walk down about 100m then a lots of mamasan will catch you.

Follow them to the 19th floor of the building then mamasan will bring 2 or 3 girls. When you choose then pay 200RMB with girl to the room.

They don't do BBBJ but HJ and fuck.

It is very cheap fuck in Shenzhen. Worth to tryIn this area it is usually 150 RMB per shot (I read several times in this forum that it is 200, that is absolutely too much) , if a mamasan knows you as regular client, you might even get 100 RMB as laowai or 80 as asian, service depends on the girl, some ask after a min to finish and go, and they even ask you for tip after finishing, some have a shower with you before, give you half an hour pleasure and another shower after, don't ask for tip and give you their phone numbers, many girls are 30+, laowais get to see at first ugly or / and fat ones until they give it up to show you crap after you rejected at least 10 girls, there is not just a 19th floor with girls, several floors have private brothels. As you are already in an apartment, there is risk that somebody just locks the door and lets you free after paying 2000+ RMB, that happened occasionally.

Same price level at the "villages" but with much higher chance to get very pretty and partially EXTREMELY young girls (16). In the near of the Luohu train station is Luohu Cun (just cross the street Ren Min Nan Lu when you come from the above place with the mamasans) , Xiang Xi Cun (a village near to Queens Spa) , Hubei Cun (quite hard to explain, walk from Dongmen shooping area across Dongmen Lu over the bridge, walk along the street Hubei Lu to the first road crossing, turn left, walk some 100 m along seafood restaurants and look on the right side until you see the entrance of a village) behind Hubei Cun comes Huang Bei Ling (too hard to explain, but there is metro station there too) and several connected villages, starts behind MixC all along the Ju Yuan, Ke Xue Guan, Hua Qiang Bei, and so on, you can walk there some 15+ km if you need to check a thousand girls before having fun). Some mamasans even ask for 500 per shot, don't worry. 150 RMB is normal. Some girls might reject going with you if you are laowai, but no problem, there are enough others. Those are the best places to monger cheap and the service is between top and not existing. Try to make friends with girls of the dayshift, they MIGHT join you for late night dinners or party nights when they are off shift and they are happy to stay at your room (you MIGHT get your fun even for free, those girls are happy to have a comfortable bed, usually they have to sleep in those shitty rooms, in which they fuck their 15+ clients per day).

PM me for more infos and we can also go together.

[Domim]

I've done KTVs, saunas, outcall / incall, etc across East Asia. If you are going in "blind" (not knowing which girl you want) , I like the fishbowl saunas the best as you get a good initial selection and if you want to change out girls it takes like 5 minutes versus 20+ elsewhere. But I'm new to SZ so any tips would be appreciated. Quality first!don't expect too much from KTVs and saunas in Shenzhen. Outcall / Incall is way too expensive. What you look for exists in Dongguan but in SZ I never saw that. The villages have the masses and lowest prices. Quality depends, only take girls who smile at you and are really eager to catch you, those ones offer great service sometimes, if a girl doesn't even look at you, you going to get most probably no service at all.

[Domim]

I've done KTVs, saunas, outcall / incall, etc across East Asia. If you are going in "blind" (not knowing which girl you want) , I like the fishbowl saunas the best as you get a good initial selection and if you want to change out girls it takes like 5 minutes versus 20+ elsewhere. But I'm new to SZ so any tips would be appreciated. Quality first!Don't expect too much from KTVs and saunas in Shenzhen. Outcall / Incall is way too expensive. What you look for exists in Dongguan but in SZ I never saw that. The villages have the masses and lowest prices. Quality depends, only take girls who smile at you and are really eager to catch you, those ones offer great service sometimes, if a girl doesn't even look at you, you going to get most probably no service at all.

[Tryfor5]

I agree, it's all in the eyes. I've learned to pick a girl who is eager and attentive over a "10" who ends up being a clockwatcher.

I'm interested in these "villages" you mention. Any more tips along those lines? How to avoid trouble?


don't expect too much from KTVs and saunas in Shenzhen. Outcall / Incall is way too expensive. What you look for exists in Dongguan but in SZ I never saw that. The villages have the masses and lowest prices. Quality depends, only take girls who smile at you and are really eager to catch you, those ones offer great service sometimes, if a girl doesn't even look at you, you going to get most probably no service at all.

[BJK]

In this area it is usually 150 RMB per shotAgree and that is for Laowai. I have been a few times and paid 150. I saw and was also told by the girl that she gets 70-80.

[Dinotrex]

Why is it that Shenzhen or Donguan are more tight on LE than HK? HK has so many more ways to find the fun with way less worry about LE.

[ShangHangin]

Why is it that Shenzhen or Donguan are more tight on LE than HK? HK has so many more ways to find the fun with way less worry about LE.Because one room brothels are legal in HK. The 141 scene in HK is not against the law. In the WanChai bars, it's between two consenting adults, much like the bars in Shanghai (Manhattan or Malones). BBS, saunas, etc that offer FS are targets of LE. KTV not so much, as it is the girls choice to go out.

[Tequila Kid]

Whats up with the Crowne Plaza on Shennan road?

Its no longer listed on the hotel groups (intercontinental) website.

Is it closed for remodel? Or now managed by another hotel group?

-TK

[China Maverick]

Whats up with the Crowne Plaza on Shennan road?

Its no longer listed on the hotel groups (intercontinental) website.

Is it closed for remodel? Or now managed by another hotel group?

-TKThe franchisee have taken over the management and the Crowne Plaza guys have left. Its now called the Venetian. The V bar has also become a local bar now.

[ChinaFun]

Hi Guys,

I apologise I have not come across this forum before!

I have lived in Shenzhen for 6 years now and I thought I would share some websites which can help you find the right girl and service. I am not saying I am the expert at punting in China but you learn a few things over 6 years. I was once new here as well and totally admit I was ripped off many times!

www.casualencounterschina.com

This website has WG listed across the country and only opened a few months ago. I am sure this will grow as it is in English. The beauty of this website is the chat rooms and private chat rooms. It is kind of cool chatting to the WG online and having all your questions clarified before meeting her and also talking to other guys and getting their advice. Another good feature is the point and click on the picture you like to get the details. I have recently met a couple other punters on this site and we hooked up for a KTV night together.

Looks like you can get FULL membership for FREE in February.

www.fun161.com

This website lists many massage parlours in Shenzhen and Donguan region. There are stacks of photos of the girls and details of the services on offer but you will need to use a VPN connection to access this site (blocked in China). The site is in Chinese but drag and drop in to Google translator and you can get the info you are after.

www.u161.com

A forum dedicated to Shenzhen and Donguan where punters upload photos and give reviews on the girls. Once again it is in Chinese but very easy to use!

My tip to new people in Shenzhen is to avoid the little "buy me a drink" bars in Shekou as the quality of girls is terrible and you will always get a huge surprise when you go to pay your bill. KTV in Shenzhen is sterile and no fun at all! The girls and rooms generally cost three times as much as Dongguan, Changping and Chang An. I would suggest taking the time and travel to Dongguan or Changping for your KTV action. Girls are hot and very friendly towards foreigners! I know a few KTVs out that way where your hostess will be butt naked in the room sensational.

I have attached a few pics of girls I have met in Shenzhen and Dongguan (also one little hottie from Shanghai)

Happy Punting!

[Ghatotkach]

Hi Guys,

I apologise I have not come across this forum before!

I have lived in Shenzhen for 6 years now and I thought I would share some websites which can help you find the right girl and service. I am not saying I am the expert at punting in China but you learn a few things over 6 years. I was once new here as well and totally admit I was ripped off many times!

www.casualencounterschina.com

This website has WG listed across the country and only opened a few months ago. I am sure this will grow as it is in English. The beauty of this website is the chat rooms and private chat rooms. It is kind of cool chatting to the WG online and having all your questions clarified before meeting her and also talking to other guys and getting their advice. Another good feature is the point and click on the picture you like to get the details. I have recently met a couple other punters on this site and we hooked up for a KTV night together.

Looks like you can get FULL membership for FREE in February.

www.fun161.com

This website lists many massage parlours in Shenzhen and Donguan region. There are stacks of photos of the girls and details of the services on offer but you will need to use a VPN connection to access this site (blocked in China). The site is in Chinese but drag and drop in to Google translator and you can get the info you are after.

www.u161.com

A forum dedicated to Shenzhen and Donguan where punters upload photos and give reviews on the girls. Once again it is in Chinese but very easy to use!

My tip to new people in Shenzhen is to avoid the little "buy me a drink" bars in Shekou as the quality of girls is terrible and you will always get a huge surprise when you go to pay your bill. KTV in Shenzhen is sterile and no fun at all! The girls and rooms generally cost three times as much as Dongguan, Changping and Chang An. I would suggest taking the time and travel to Dongguan or Changping for your KTV action. Girls are hot and very friendly towards foreigners! I know a few KTVs out that way where your hostess will be butt naked in the room sensational.

I have attached a few pics of girls I have met in Shenzhen and Dongguan (also one little hottie from Shanghai)

Happy Punting!Hi,

I read your guide to Shenzhen with great interest and as advised by you, I have signed up for the casual encounters website. I am visiting Shenzhen from the 3rd till the 13th of March. I'll be staying at the Sunon Valley resort hotel for three days and then in the Longgang area for about a week. My question is: can I get girls to my hotel room without any problems? The pictures that you posted are, I presume, girls who came to your hotel room. Can you help by sending some contact details? Thanks a lot. It would be the first time in two visits that I would look at trying to get girls to my room!

[ChinaFun]

Hi,

I read your guide to Shenzhen with great interest and as advised by you, I have signed up for the casual encounters website. I am visiting Shenzhen from the 3rd till the 13th of March. I'll be staying at the Sunon Valley resort hotel for three days and then in the Longgang area for about a week. My question is: can I get girls to my hotel room without any problems? The pictures that you posted are, I presume, girls who came to your hotel room. Can you help by sending some contact details? Thanks a lot. It would be the first time in two visits that I would look at trying to get girls to my room!Hi,

Thank you for your kind words about my post and good work for signing up to one of the sites I recommended. Are you a Premium Member on that site, if so let me know your handle and I will keep an eye out for you on the chat rooms! It should be for free in February I believe.

You are in good luck by staying in Longgang as that is classed as outer Shenzhen and the laws are very relaxed. I have never heard of anyone having issues with girls visiting hotels in that region. Also from Longgang you are quite close to Danssui which is pretty much the capital of massage shops. You can get a choice from 20 to 30 girls at a parlour and get to spend about two hours with her for around RMB 300 (don't pay more than this). There are hundreds of parlours and don't worry they will find you!

I would suggest if taking a girl to your room don't do it much later than 11pm at night as it is a little more obvious at that time in the hotel lobby. To be honest it has been a while since I did some punting out in Longgang so give me a day or two and I will send you some links.

5 of the girls in the pics I posted visited my room for a few hours and overnight visits.

If you are a regular to Shenzhen I would recommend staying at the Fuzon hotel in Shekou I have never been queried there.

DO NOT STAY at Nan Hai or Tai Zi as I know of foreigners getting in a lot of trouble there (doesn't matter both hotels are crap).

Have fun in Shenzhen and if you have anymore questions let me know.

Attached is another pic to get you in the mood!

Cheers

[Sammon]

Hi,

I read your guide to Shenzhen with great interest and as advised by you, I have signed up for the casual encounters website. I am visiting Shenzhen from the 3rd till the 13th of March. I'll be staying at the Sunon Valley resort hotel for three days and then in the Longgang area for about a week. My question is: can I get girls to my hotel room without any problems? The pictures that you posted are, I presume, girls who came to your hotel room. Can you help by sending some contact details? Thanks a lot. It would be the first time in two visits that I would look at trying to get girls to my room!High class and moderate hotels do not enforce visitor rule. Smaller local type of hotels do.

Visitor rule is no overnight visitors of opposite sex. One small hotel said no two girls in my room. One was OK.

All visitors should leave by 11 PM. If you get the girl in before that time I am sure they will not come and knock on your door. Some hotels are strict and some not.

I lived in Shenzhen and had a apartment. But in between I had stayed at hotels, mostly cheaper ones because I know Shenzhen. Generally never had problems. Local people get girls all the time.

If the front desk people do not like you, I guess they can quote the rules.

One time when the house keeping girl was sent to my room to warn me to get rid of the girl before 11 PM. I said OK but kept the girl all night. Nobody knocked on the door.

Hotels do not want problems so unlikely to call the police. My advice is keep a low profile and be friendly to the employees.

[Ghatotkach]

Hi,

Thank you for your kind words about my post and good work for signing up to one of the sites I recommended. Are you a Premium Member on that site, if so let me know your handle and I will keep an eye out for you on the chat rooms! It should be for free in February I believe.

You are in good luck by staying in Longgang as that is classed as outer Shenzhen and the laws are very relaxed. I have never heard of anyone having issues with girls visiting hotels in that region. Also from Longgang you are quite close to Danssui which is pretty much the capital of massage shops. You can get a choice from 20 to 30 girls at a parlour and get to spend about two hours with her for around RMB 300 (don't pay more than this). There are hundreds of parlours and don't worry they will find you!

I would suggest if taking a girl to your room don't do it much later than 11pm at night as it is a little more obvious at that time in the hotel lobby. To be honest it has been a while since I did some punting out in Longgang so give me a day or two and I will send you some links.

5 of the girls in the pics I posted visited my room for a few hours and overnight visits.

If you are a regular to Shenzhen I would recommend staying at the Fuzon hotel in Shekou I have never been queried there.

DO NOT STAY at Nan Hai or Tai Zi as I know of foreigners getting in a lot of trouble there (doesn't matter both hotels are crap).

Have fun in Shenzhen and if you have anymore questions let me know.

Attached is another pic to get you in the mood!

CheersHi Chinafun and Sammon,

Thanks a lot for your suggestions. I'll certainly keep all your inputs in mind. Hopefully, I'll have some decent things to write about when I return and post my experiences.

Incidently, my handle on casualencounters. Com is Teji. I am online off and on.

[Tryfor5]

Very useful, thanks a lot! I'll poke through a bit and then follow up later as I will be visiting first week of March.


Hi Guys,

I apologise I have not come across this forum before!

I have lived in Shenzhen for 6 years now and I thought I would share some websites which can help you find the right girl and service. I am not saying I am the expert at punting in China but you learn a few things over 6 years. I was once new here as well and totally admit I was ripped off many times!

www.casualencounterschina.com

This website has WG listed across the country and only opened a few months ago. I am sure this will grow as it is in English. The beauty of this website is the chat rooms and private chat rooms. It is kind of cool chatting to the WG online and having all your questions clarified before meeting her and also talking to other guys and getting their advice. Another good feature is the point and click on the picture you like to get the details. I have recently met a couple other punters on this site and we hooked up for a KTV night together.

Looks like you can get FULL membership for FREE in February.

www.fun161.com

This website lists many massage parlours in Shenzhen and Donguan region. There are stacks of photos of the girls and details of the services on offer but you will need to use a VPN connection to access this site (blocked in China). The site is in Chinese but drag and drop in to Google translator and you can get the info you are after.

www.u161.com

A forum dedicated to Shenzhen and Donguan where punters upload photos and give reviews on the girls. Once again it is in Chinese but very easy to use!

My tip to new people in Shenzhen is to avoid the little "buy me a drink" bars in Shekou as the quality of girls is terrible and you will always get a huge surprise when you go to pay your bill. KTV in Shenzhen is sterile and no fun at all! The girls and rooms generally cost three times as much as Dongguan, Changping and Chang An. I would suggest taking the time and travel to Dongguan or Changping for your KTV action. Girls are hot and very friendly towards foreigners! I know a few KTVs out that way where your hostess will be butt naked in the room sensational.

I have attached a few pics of girls I have met in Shenzhen and Dongguan (also one little hottie from Shanghai)

Happy Punting!

[Dinotrex]

How do you guys usually dress when out mongering?

Does it even matter?

[Wangrin]

Hi, I am new here.

I have tried to read the whole thread first.

I understand that Zhang Mu Tou is not the best place were to monger but I will be staying there for a few days for work.

Does anyone know the place were to go near the station? (hotel sauna, BBS, Street walker.)

Thanks for your help

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi, I am new here.

I have tried to read the whole thread first.

I understand that Zhang Mu Tou is not the best place were to monger but I will be staying there for a few days for work.

Does anyone know the place were to go near the station? (hotel sauna, BBS, Street walker.)

Thanks for your helpTo Wangrin.

You are about 10 yr too late major crack down clean this town up but Changping town is only 30 min away, this is a town with many sauna and KTV but most BBS is been closed down, if you go to the Changping forum and do some reading before they crack down here too.

Fast Eddie 48

[Savethe7]

I will be in Shenzhen for work on Wednesday the 29th and I am staying at the hotel that's in the same plaza as the ship hotel, it's called something apartments I think. I thought that area is called Shekuo? Or is it Dongguan? I saw something in the Dongguan thread mentioning the ship lake which is what is throwing me off.

I have a company contact in the area that takes me around to the factories I have to visit, I have zero ability to communicate or get around on my own unfortunately unless I am with an english speaker. I know there's chicken road behind the plaza a couple blocks but no idea where any of the better KTVs are.

If anyone could clear up what the proper name of the area I am in is I would appreciate it.

Thanks

[SteelBaton]

Domim. Thanks for a report with some interesting new information! These villages sound promising. I will be visiting SZ in a few weeks and would especially like to check this out. But, since I will not be there more than a day, my time is more valuable than my money. I am happy to pay a higher price than 150 if I can more quickly find a young fresh girl who will provide good service. Are these villages like the BBSs in CP where there are 25-30 girls sitting in a big room and the guys just come and pick a few to take back to their hotel, or are they more like Shanghai BBS with few girls and more shops and you do the deed on site? I don't suppose you know anyone interested in being a local guide and doing some field work in advance? (I am laowai and don't speak much Canto.) Thanks.


In the near of the Luohu train station is Luohu Cun (just cross the street Ren Min Nan Lu when you come from the above place with the mamasans) , Xiang Xi Cun (a village near to Queens Spa) , Hubei Cun (quite hard to explain, walk from Dongmen shooping area across Dongmen Lu over the bridge, walk along the street Hubei Lu to the first road crossing, turn left, walk some 100 m along seafood restaurants and look on the right side until you see the entrance of a village) behind Hubei Cun comes Huang Bei Ling (too hard to explain, but there is metro station there too) and several connected villages, starts behind MixC all along the Ju Yuan, Ke Xue Guan, Hua Qiang Bei, and so on, you can walk there some 15+ km if you need to check a thousand girls before having fun). Some mamasans even ask for 500 per shot, don't worry. 150 RMB is normal. Some girls might reject going with you if you are laowai, but no problem, there are enough others. Those are the best places to monger cheap and the service is between top and not existing. Try to make friends with girls of the dayshift, they MIGHT join you for late night dinners or party nights when they are off shift and they are happy to stay at your room (you MIGHT get your fun even for free, those girls are happy to have a comfortable bed, usually they have to sleep in those shitty rooms, in which they fuck their 15+ clients per day).

PM me for more infos and we can also go together.

[SteelBaton]

What's with the RTFF guys?

Its good to ask the question as there may have been changes. Most of the time, the information in the forum is out of date so gentlemen, why not be helpful.

Frankbusiness, there will be mommys galore around the Lowu area esp around the shangrila.

Problem is that most of the girls are shit scared of going to do LT. My suggestion is just go and ask for 18-19 year olds and then choose one from the line up. It can be a little intimidating at first because you are brought up to an apartment for the line up, and usually expected to do the deed in the apartment.

BTW, a 25 year old Chinese girls looks around 19 western girl. The going rate is 150-200 ST. So apart from the hard body, I would nt expect too much unless you are very very lucky.

Mas 147Thanks for that information. I generally prefer take out to my hotel. Are you saying that these girls (18-19) will generally not go to hotels even for ST or are they just reluctant to be there for the whole night? What is the procedure with the mamasans? Does one follow them back to their shop and pick a girl like a BBS or do they bring the girl to you? What can you say about the quality of the girls? Are they mostly local Canto girls? Can one get girls from Northern China?

Thanks for your thoughts!

[Fast Eddie 48]

Thanks for that information. I generally prefer take out to my hotel. Are you saying that these girls (18-19) will generally not go to hotels even for ST or are they just reluctant to be there for the whole night? What is the procedure with the mamasans? Does one follow them back to their shop and pick a girl like a BBS or do they bring the girl to you? What can you say about the quality of the girls? Are they mostly local Canto girls? Can one get girls from Northern China?

Thanks for your thoughts!Steel,

Most of this girl will not leave the apartment most are new in town from other area of China like Hunan or Yunan poor area, I have got girl for LT to go back to my hotel if it is near by, most girl will not go far for just 150 rmb you need to pay more for take out time is money for them, I was in shenzhen last week the Seibu bbs still have the best girl but quality is way down from 4-5 yr ago 150 rmb in house in dirty apartment anf LT take out is around 500 rmb after 10 pm.

Fast Eddie 48

[Sammon]

Thanks for that information. I generally prefer take out to my hotel. Are you saying that these girls (18-19) will generally not go to hotels even for ST or are they just reluctant to be there for the whole night? What is the procedure with the mamasans? Does one follow them back to their shop and pick a girl like a BBS or do they bring the girl to you? What can you say about the quality of the girls? Are they mostly local Canto girls? Can one get girls from Northern China?

Thanks for your thoughts!Shenzhen attracts girls from all over China. It is common knowledge few years ago that Hong Kong people come to shenzhen and spend lots of money and meet and keep girls paying large amounts of money. In some cases buying property. These girls come and get jobs from KTV bars to waitresses. Prettier they are better the chances of landing a good job and generous BF. My business partner who is from Hong Kong has a GF who came from Dalian. Not very pretty but friendly. She offered to fix me up with her pretty girlfriends but I can find GF on my own.

I prefer to take the girl to my hotel or my Apartment rather than do the deed in her apartment.

If the girl likes you she will stay LT. Otherwise just one shot. You should let the mamasan know that you are looking for certain kind of girl (fair, northern with big boobs etc) and LT only. LT generally costs 400-600 RMB.

Half goes to mamasan. Mamasan will call few girls and you can choose.

You can go to BBS and make arrangement for the girl to come to your room. I do not know if BBS still is prevalent nowadays. There have been lots LE shutting them but mamasans are still around.

[SamCan]

How do you guys usually dress when out mongering?

Does it even matter?Dino, it does not matter how you dress. Money talks. I am 5'8". I am bald, I am almost 50. I am a laowei. I could stand to lose at least 20 lbs. I feel as handsome as brad Pitt when I walk into the bars like Manhattans in Shanghai. Never had one turn me away for looks. I did see a pinay girl turn away a Chinese guy once. I talked to her for a minute and she asked to be my girlfriend for the evening. I asked her why not the other guy, but she did not answer. I think he was coming on too strong.

Again. I am far from handsome.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I was at Sha Tsui last week contact my friend he set me up with KTV girl best time is around 6pm, most KTV start work at 8 pm like to pick up some extra money my pimp have a apartment in Sha Tsui cleaner than most place he and his wife live there charge me 50 rmb and 100 rmb go to the girl same girl will charge you 300 rmb for ST at the KTV, we cruise the village looking for girl and he have contact girl cell phone.

Fast Eddie 48

[SteelBaton]

I will be in Shenzhen for work on Wednesday the 29th and I am staying at the hotel that's in the same plaza as the ship hotel, it's called something apartments I think. I thought that area is called Shekuo? Or is it Dongguan? I saw something in the Dongguan thread mentioning the ship lake which is what is throwing me off.

I have a company contact in the area that takes me around to the factories I have to visit, I have zero ability to communicate or get around on my own unfortunately unless I am with an english speaker. I know there's chicken road behind the plaza a couple blocks but no idea where any of the better KTVs are.

If anyone could clear up what the proper name of the area I am in is I would appreciate it.

ThanksI am a little out of my depth here, never having been to SZ, but I have been spending some time RTFF and looking at maps. I think that the place you are thinking of is in the Shekuo area of Shenzhen. This is where the 30 minute ferry from HKG airport arrives. The ship hotel is called "Cruise Inn" and is a converted cruise ship, but I think it is now closed based on previous information in this forum. This is no where close to Dongguan. If you Google "Shekuo Cruise Inn, Shenzhen" you will see the general area. Obviously would help if you knew the name of your hotel ;-)

Happy punting/mongering let us know what you find. As an English-only bloke, I am certain that you can find what you need even without a Cantonese-speaking guide.

[Wilbar]

I will be in Shenzhen for work on Wednesday the 29th and I am staying at the hotel that's in the same plaza as the ship hotel, it's called something apartments I think. I thought that area is called Shekuo? Or is it Dongguan? I saw something in the Dongguan thread mentioning the ship lake which is what is throwing me off.

I have a company contact in the area that takes me around to the factories I have to visit, I have zero ability to communicate or get around on my own unfortunately unless I am with an english speaker. I know there's chicken road behind the plaza a couple blocks but no idea where any of the better KTVs are.

If anyone could clear up what the proper name of the area I am in is I would appreciate it.

ThanksSavethe7, from your description I assume you will be staying in the Shekou area of Shenzhen. As mentioned by another reader, the hotel facility as The Ship is closed but the bar and restaurant are still open. The Ship is located at a aquare called Marine Plaza, also called Shekou Plaza. Plenty of bars and restaurants around.

I guess your hotel is the Honlux Appartments. The entrance is literally 2 meters around the corner of Marine Plaza.

I do not know how you intend to travel to Shekou. As Steelbaton has mentiond, a ferry from HKIA will bring you directly to Shekou Port. From there you can take a taxi (just outside the Port terminal building) to the Honlux, cost about 15 rmb. But as it is only a 3 minute drive, most taxi drivers will refuse you due to the short distance. A 20 rmb note will probably convince them anyway. Optionally you can take the Shelou Line underground; entrance also just outside the Port building. It is only one stop, cost about 3 rmb. Ticket machines are also in English if you press the correct button. If you don't have the 3 coins or 5 RMB mote then chanhe at the Information booth.

Hope this helps. Enjoy your time there!

[Gaolei]

I was here 2 weeks ago. I stayed in the Honlux hotel, which is on the same plaza as the cruise ship, Ming Hua. The Plaza name is Taizi Plaza, Prince Plaza. The area is also known as Sea World, because of the ship. The area around the ship is currently being rebuilt, and the hotel section of the ship is closed. I believe the bar inside is still open.

The Plaza is surrounded by mostly western restaurants. This makes it a very easy place for western people with little Chinese experience to stay. The area also has several pubs and clubs that are frequented by pros and non pros. It is also a hangout for western men and women that are stationed in the area. Overall it is a good place to stay, but don't expect the action that is available in SZ center. The center of SZ is 20 to 40 minutes by Taxi on a good day, and what seems like hours by subway.

The Honluz is not a spectacular 5 star destination. It is a comfortable hotel with good rooms, an attractive price, and a nice breakfast. It is also part of the company that also owns the Cruise ship hotel.

[Gaolei]

Shenzhen attracts girls from all over China. It is common knowledge few years ago that Hong Kong people come to shenzhen and spend lots of money and meet and keep girls paying large amounts of money.A report in the HK paper years ago said 40% or more of Hong Kong divorces were due to Shenzhen girlfriends.

[Kohck]

Hi,

You are in good luck by staying in Longgang as that is classed as outer Shenzhen and the laws are very relaxed. I have never heard of anyone having issues with girls visiting hotels in that region. Also from Longgang you are quite close to Danssui which is pretty much the capital of massage shops. You can get a choice from 20 to 30 girls at a parlour and get to spend about two hours with her for around RMB 300 (don't pay more than this). There are hundreds of parlours and don't worry they will find you!Hi China Fun,

I am staying in the Long Gang district in Shen Zhen but it seems very boring here. Could you tell me where I can go to get some massage with full service? You mentioned Danssui? Where is Danssui and could you provide the full address with road name?

Thanks

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi China Fun,

I am staying in the Long Gang district in Shen Zhen but it seems very boring here. Could you tell me where I can go to get some massage with full service? You mentioned Danssui? Where is Danssui and could you provide the full address with road name?

ThanksTo Kohck.

Long gang is in Shenzhen county and Danshui is in Huizhou county 2 different city but only about 40 min by bus most sauna with FS have been closed down due to crack down,

Do some RTFF on some of my report on south China and shenzhen.

Fast Eddie 48

[Tryfor5]

I'll be staying in Luohu part of SZ and prefer LT. Any suggestions where I should go in that area? Or perhaps some nearby villages that are monger friendly?

Thanks guys

[LukeSkywalker]

Hi China Fun,

You posted some nice pics.

I tried casualencounterschina. Com but most of the girls are in Shanghai or BJ.

I travel to SZ occasionally on business. My company used to set me up in the Panglin. I did not see a lot of activities in that area.

I read a few post. Looks like the area near the Shangri-La has many mamasans with the best-looking girls. If that is true I want to book a hotel around that area.

I also want to stay 2 nights in ChongPing to check out the action there.

Thanks for any info.


Hi Guys,

www.casualencounterschina.com

This website has WG listed across the country and only opened a few months ago. I am sure this will grow as it is in English. The beauty of this website is the chat rooms and private chat rooms. It is kind of cool chatting to the WG online and having all your questions clarified before meeting her and also talking to other guys and getting their advice. Another good feature is the point and click on the picture you like to get the details. I have recently met a couple other punters on this site and we hooked up for a KTV night together.

Looks like you can get FULL membership for FREE in February.

www.fun161.com

This website lists many massage parlours in Shenzhen and Donguan region. There are stacks of photos of the girls and details of the services on offer but you will need to use a VPN connection to access this site (blocked in China). The site is in Chinese but drag and drop in to Google translator and you can get the info you are afterHappy Punting!

[LukeSkywalker]

Are there more choices and better selection near the Shangri-La or the Panglin?

Will be in Luohu soon. I have to tell my company where to book me next.

Thanks for your info.


Hi,

I visited Shenzhen fuck factory the end of Jan. It is very easy to find it from Sangrila hotel in Lohou.

From Sangrila hotel, make right turn and walk down about 100m then a lots of mamasan will catch you.

Follow them to the 19th floor of the building then mamasan will bring 2 or 3 girls. When you choose then pay 200RMB with girl to the room.

They don't do BBBJ but HJ and fuck.

It is very cheap fuck in Shenzhen. Worth to try

[Specialed69]

I travel to SZ a fair bit on business and typically stay at the Hyatt. There is not too much around that hotel and I am curious about outcall providers. I have tried the mamasans around the train station but it is not my scene. I have also tried a few of the massage places east of the Hyatt but as a laowie it is hit or miss. Does anyone have specific experience with casualencounters? What is the going rate for LT with the girls there? Any other good outcall providers?

Thanks


Hi China Fun,

You posted some nice pics.

I tried casualencounterschina. Com but most of the girls are in Shanghai or BJ.

I travel to SZ occasionally on business. My company used to set me up in the Panglin. I did not see a lot of activities in that area.

I read a few post. Looks like the area near the Shangri-La has many mamasans with the best-looking girls. If that is true I want to book a hotel around that area.

I also want to stay 2 nights in ChongPing to check out the action there.

Thanks for any info.

[Tryfor5]

I signed up for Casualencounters but it's pretty dead over there right now. All the girls are in Shanghai or Beijing for the most part and expecting way too much money (maybe because their English better?). Most photos are fake and the few that aren't are really not attractive, IMHO. Plus the discussion forums are completely empty. That being said, they just started and will likely improve so I'll keep checking back every so often.

I'm heading out to SZ for the first time next week so I'll see what I can dig up on my own (not a whole lot of pointers from the senior folks to us newbies). The most reliable thing I've heard is that your best bet is to take the train up to Chanping in Dongguan where it is quite a bit more lively. If you are truly stuck in SZ, then the areas between the Panglin Hotel and the Shangri-La seem to be good hunting grounds. Or so I've heard.

I think most KTVs provide "additional services" but I personally I can't stand them. Waste of money and time, IMHO. If I like a girl, I'd prefer LT back at my place.

Anyway, I'll report back with my own experiences when I get back. Won't be as good as the more experienced guys in the area but I'll do my best to point newbies in the right direction.


I travel to SZ a fair bit on business and typically stay at the Hyatt. There is not too much around that hotel and I am curious about outcall providers. I have tried the mamasans around the train station but it is not my scene. I have also tried a few of the massage places east of the Hyatt but as a laowie it is hit or miss. Does anyone have specific experience with casualencounters? What is the going rate for LT with the girls there? Any other good outcall providers?

Thanks

[Dinotrex]

I'm heading out to SZ for the first time next week so I'll see what I can dig up on my own (not a whole lot of pointers from the senior folks to us newbies). The most reliable thing I've heard is that your best bet is to take the train up to Chanping in Dongguan where it is quite a bit more lively. If you are truly stuck in SZ, then the areas between the Panglin Hotel and the Shangri-La seem to be good hunting grounds. Or so I've heard.Tryfor5, Thanks for Scouting ahead. I'll be at the SZ for the first time too next month. I've been RTFF dating back to the early days and it seems Panglin was a happening place 4-5 years ago but there hasn't been much info since around the surrondings of Panglin other than there isn't any action around there anymore. It would be nice to see that someone confirming this. Again, thanks for scouting ahead, looking forward for your review!

[Tryfor5]

This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every other hotel has. But go to the front of the hotel starting at 9 PM and there will be someone who will approach you to pitch their services. Do not speak to them in Mandarin as they are very worried about police action. Use English or some other foreign but common language and flash your foreign passport / I'd to ensure you are not police and tell them you are interested in either "half" or "full" service, they will know what you want. I believe half is just under 300 RMB and just under 400 for full.

Follow the host up to the second floor where they will hand you off to someone else. You will undress and change into either questionable silk robes or cheap disposable robes, have the option to shower in the crappy open shower room, and then go to the equally crappy sitting room. There you can have either a foot massage or a pedicure. I suggest the foot massage though it isn't very good and either service will set you back an "optional" tip. They will also offer you a choice of beverages and here you will have to either speak Mandarin or go for the basic "water / tea / coffee / juice." You can rest here as long as you want until you signal to any of the waiting people that you are ready to move on. It's kind of nice to sit here as every so often you get to see the massage girls walk by and you can get an idea of what you want.

At this point they will bring you to the rear of the massage rooms for more privacy. You may be asked several times what kind of massage you want and you will have to keep repeating half / full service. They will bring one girl at a time for you to accept or reject (I do hate rejecting them to their faces) and the selection varies as not all girls offer either or both services.

Once you have selected the girl, you take off the robe but keep the shorts on and she will have you lie down for a basic massage which becomes more and more intimate. Try and talk to the girls and make them laugh as the service improves if they feel some connection with you. Eventually she will ask if you are ready and she will turn down the lights, take off her clothing, and play time begins. Just about everything is available with full service but you will have to respect the boundaries of individual girls. I had an excellent GFE experience and would happily go back for more. She spends the entire 90 minutes with you whether you finish early or not though I do believe it is one pop only.

The phone will ring when everything is done and someone will escort you back to the resting room where they will deliver another drink if you like. Go ahead and change whenever you like and the locker room boys will deliver you a plastic cup filled with water on a tray with helpful "TIP" written on it. 10 RMB is fine though I don't know what the standard here is. Then you proceed to the front desk to pay up. If you are a resident at the hotel they will deduct 20 RMB from the bill if you show your room card.

The public areas are pretty poor but the massage room was OK if basic. But the excellent GFE service I got from a very cute girl with an excellent body and even better attitude were fully worth it to me. 400 RMB is slightly higher than the cheap street action but from my experience, which I will relate at another time, this was far more enjoyable to me.

The girl I had service me is named A-Fang (pronounced "ahh-fong") and I really can't recommend her enough. She says the girls are available for take out and you can also get their numbers to arrange services directly for another time which may save you some money as well. I believe they may even be willing to go LT at your room in the hotel but this is up to the individual girl.

[LukeSkywalker]

This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every o.

The girl I had service me is named A-Fang (pronounced "ahh-fong") and I really can't recommend her enough. She says the girls are available for take out and you can also get their numbers to arrange services directly for another time which may save you some money as well. I believe they may even be willing to go LT at your room in the hotel but this is up to the individual girl.Good report. Looks like you speak Mandarin so you can get info from the girls.

Will try this place when I am there.

Any pictures you can share?

[ChinaFun]

This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every other hotel has. But go to the front of the hotel starting at 9 PM and there will be someone who will approach you to pitch their services. Do not speak to them in Mandarin as they are very worried about police action. Use English or some other foreign but common language and flash your foreign passport / I'd to ensure you are not police and tell them you are interested in either "half" or "full" service, they will know what you want. I believe half is just under 300 RMB and just under 400 for full.

Follow the host up to the second floor where they will hand you off to someone else. You will undress and change into either questionable silk robes or cheap disposable robes, have the option to shower in the crappy open shower room, and then go to the equally crappy sitting room. There you can have either a foot massage or a pedicure. I suggest the foot massage though it isn't very good and either service will set you back an "optional" tip. They will also offer you a choice of beverages and here you will have to either speak Mandarin or go for the basic "water / tea / coffee / juice." You can rest here as long as you want until you signal to any of the waiting people that you are ready to move on. It's kind of nice to sit here as every so often you get to see the massage girls walk by and you can get an idea of what you want.

At this point they will bring you to the rear of the massage rooms for more privacy. You may be asked several times what kind of massage you want and you will have to keep repeating half / full service. They will bring one girl at a time for you to accept or reject (I do hate rejecting them to their faces) and the selection varies as not all girls offer either or both services.

Once you have selected the girl, you take off the robe but keep the shorts on and she will have you lie down for a basic massage which becomes more and more intimate. Try and talk to the girls and make them laugh as the service improves if they feel some connection with you. Eventually she will ask if you are ready and she will turn down the lights, take off her clothing, and play time begins. Just about everything is available with full service but you will have to respect the boundaries of individual girls. I had an excellent GFE experience and would happily go back for more. She spends the entire 90 minutes with you whether you finish early or not though I do believe it is one pop only.

The phone will ring when everything is done and someone will escort you back to the resting room where they will deliver another drink if you like. Go ahead and change whenever you like and the locker room boys will deliver you a plastic cup filled with water on a tray with helpful "TIP" written on it. 10 RMB is fine though I don't know what the standard here is. Then you proceed to the front desk to pay up. If you are a resident at the hotel they will deduct 20 RMB from the bill if you show your room card.

The public areas are pretty poor but the massage room was OK if basic. But the excellent GFE service I got from a very cute girl with an excellent body and even better attitude were fully worth it to me. 400 RMB is slightly higher than the cheap street action but from my experience, which I will relate at another time, this was far more enjoyable to me.

The girl I had service me is named A-Fang (pronounced "ahh-fong") and I really can't recommend her enough. She says the girls are available for take out and you can also get their numbers to arrange services directly for another time which may save you some money as well. I believe they may even be willing to go LT at your room in the hotel but this is up to the individual girl.Hi Tryfor5,

Thanks for your report and I must go check out this sauna!

I also prefer to pay around 400 to 450rmb and do all my punting in a sauna or club. I find the girls much more attractive then the girls the mummasans offer near Shangrila. The rooms offered by these mummasans are generally dirty and there is nothing worse then having your session while you can hear the other girls watching TV.

Not sure if you have seen the massage parlour section on www.casualencounterschina.com

They have over 50 massage parlours listed in Shenzhen with the girls photos and numbers.

I can highly recommend the Dragon Leisure Club which is listed there. I have also been to Fukada a few times and that is 428rmb for 90 minutes 2 shots. They will try and push you to have a threesome.

I also know another place in Futian called the California Club which is awesome. I will try and post the address here in the next day or so, everyone speaks English there as many HK guys come across. I recommend the jacuzzi action there.

My handle on www.casualencounterschina.com Is Steve.

Enjoy your time in Shenzhen.

ChinaFun

[ChinaFun]

Hi China Fun,

You posted some nice pics.

I tried casualencounterschina. Com but most of the girls are in Shanghai or BJ.

I travel to SZ occasionally on business. My company used to set me up in the Panglin. I did not see a lot of activities in that area.

I read a few post. Looks like the area near the Shangri-La has many mamasans with the best-looking girls. If that is true I want to book a hotel around that area.

I also want to stay 2 nights in ChongPing to check out the action there.

Thanks for any info.Hi LukeSkywalker,

Great Name!

If you plan to visit Changping I recommend you stay at the Eurasia. I have their link for you.

http://www.dgeahotel.com/en/contactus.aspx

They have a massive KTV but girls can come to the comfort of your room without doing the KTV thing. This is much safer then punting on the street. Get their around 6:30pm for the flower show, they have around 300 girls to choose from spread over 3 floors. The girls are split in to categories and this is easy to determine as they wear different colour dresses, just ask someone to tell you the prices.

As for Luhou, there is a street a couple of blocks away from the Shangrila where you can choose your girls. I recommend this over using the mammasans as you can see before you try. Not far from the Shangri La there is the Petrel Hotel. On the 19th floor is the biggest sauna / brothel in Luhou and the price is around 400rmb for 90 minutes full service. Below is the address loads of nice girls there and much better then the "pink" buildings near Seibu.

Petrel Hotel.

&20301; &20110; &32645; &28246; – &28145; &22323; &24066; &21312; , &28145; &22323; , &20013; &22269;

Petrel Mansion Jiabin Road Luohu Area

Shenzhen, Guangdong 518000 China

www.casualencounterschina.com Has photos and addresses of saunas in Luhou and also out at Dongguan (Changping).

I look forward to your reports and perhaps some photos. May the force be with you.

[Dinotrex]

Question to the regulars: Does anyone know if Panglin has a Sauna that offers this type of service as well?


This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every other hotel has. But go to the front of the hotel starting at 9 PM and there will be someone who will approach you to pitch their services. Do not speak to them in Mandarin as they are very worried about police action. Use English or some other foreign but common language and flash your foreign passport / I'd to ensure you are not police and tell them you are interested in either "half" or "full" service, they will know what you want. I believe half is just under 300 RMB and just under 400 for full.

Follow the host up to the second floor where they will hand you off to someone else. You will undress and change into either questionable silk robes or cheap disposable robes, have the option to shower in the crappy open shower room, and then go to the equally crappy sitting room. There you can have either a foot massage or a pedicure. I suggest the foot massage though it isn't very good and either service will set you back an "optional" tip. They will also offer you a choice of beverages and here you will have to either speak Mandarin or go for the basic "water / tea / coffee / juice." You can rest here as long as you want until you signal to any of the waiting people that you are ready to move on. It's kind of nice to sit here as every so often you get to see the massage girls walk by and you can get an idea of what you want.

At this point they will bring you to the rear of the massage rooms for more privacy. You may be asked several times what kind of massage you want and you will have to keep repeating half / full service. They will bring one girl at a time for you to accept or reject (I do hate rejecting them to their faces) and the selection varies as not all girls offer either or both services.

Once you have selected the girl, you take off the robe but keep the shorts on and she will have you lie down for a basic massage which becomes more and more intimate. Try and talk to the girls and make them laugh as the service improves if they feel some connection with you. Eventually she will ask if you are ready and she will turn down the lights, take off her clothing, and play time begins. Just about everything is available with full service but you will have to respect the boundaries of individual girls. I had an excellent GFE experience and would happily go back for more. She spends the entire 90 minutes with you whether you finish early or not though I do believe it is one pop only.

The phone will ring when everything is done and someone will escort you back to the resting room where they will deliver another drink if you like. Go ahead and change whenever you like and the locker room boys will deliver you a plastic cup filled with water on a tray with helpful "TIP" written on it. 10 RMB is fine though I don't know what the standard here is. Then you proceed to the front desk to pay up. If you are a resident at the hotel they will deduct 20 RMB from the bill if you show your room card.

The public areas are pretty poor but the massage room was OK if basic. But the excellent GFE service I got from a very cute girl with an excellent body and even better attitude were fully worth it to me. 400 RMB is slightly higher than the cheap street action but from my experience, which I will relate at another time, this was far more enjoyable to me.

The girl I had service me is named A-Fang (pronounced "ahh-fong") and I really can't recommend her enough. She says the girls are available for take out and you can also get their numbers to arrange services directly for another time which may save you some money as well. I believe they may even be willing to go LT at your room in the hotel but this is up to the individual girl.

[ShenzhenSimon]

Hello Guys,

I am here in Shenzhen from time to time for business. This is my 4th trip and I thought I would try something different then the girls on the street near Shangri La.

Yesterday I found the details of the below massage parlour on www.casualencounterschina.com Site. As it was on the main road it was easy for me to find. I have pasted the address for everyone.

Dragon Leisure Club.

No. 2105, Shennan Road East, CentralBuilding. 5th Floor.

Shenzhen Luohu District.

I had a choice from 8 girls in a line up and I must say they were more attractive then previous girls I have been with on. I chose No. 12 and she escorted me to our own private room. We spent 90 minutes together and I was allowed to have 2 shots. While I can't speak Chinese it was easy to organise.

The great news is I still have 3 more weeks in China so plenty of more visits to happen.

I have attached the photo from www.casualencounterschina.com And some happy snaps of my own. I gave her a tip so I could take some photos.

ShenzhenSimon

[LukeSkywalker]

Hi China Fun,

That is the specific info I am looking for. Thanks so much.

Will try this Petrel Mansion in Luohu and the Eurasia in Chang Ping.

Hope you are having fun in Luohu. Will PM you when I am in the area.

May love and sex be with you always.


Hi LukeSkywalker,

If you plan to visit Changping I recommend you stay at the Eurasia. I have their link for you.

http://www.dgeahotel.com/en/contactus.aspx

They have a massive KTV but girls can come to the comfort of your room without doing the KTV thing. This is much safer then punting on the street. Get their around 6:30pm for the flower show, they have around 300 girls to choose from spread over 3 floors. The girls are split in to categories and this is easy to determine as they wear different colour dresses, just ask someone to tell you the prices.

As for Luhou, there is a street a couple of blocks away from the Shangrila where you can choose your girls. I recommend this over using the mammasans as you can see before you try. Not far from the Shangri La there is the Petrel Hotel. On the 19th floor is the biggest sauna / brothel in Luhou and the price is around 400rmb for 90 minutes full service. Below is the address loads of nice girls there and much better then the "pink" buildings near Seibu.

Petrel Hotel.

&20301; &20110; &32645; &28246; – &28145; &22323; &24066; &21312; , &28145; &22323; , &20013; &22269;

Petrel Mansion Jiabin Road Luohu Area

Shenzhen, Guangdong 518000 China.

www.casualencounterschina.com

Has photos and addresses of saunas in Luhou and also out at Dongguan (Changping).

I look forward to your reports and perhaps some photos. May the force be with you.

[LukeSkywalker]

Most major hotels have their own saunas. If the menus have "special massages" for about 300-400 Rmb, that is usually the one with sex.

Hotels usually also have their own KTV with take out options. But theirs usually don't have big selections of hot talents as the dedicated KTV's

You can ask the bell hops or the any English-speaking staff in the hotels.


Question to the regulars: Does anyone know if Panglin has a Sauna that offers this type of service as well?

[Nch883]

Question to the regulars: Does anyone know if Panglin has a Sauna that offers this type of service as well?Panglin Hotel SPA doesnot offer any services. Just plain regular massage.

[Tryfor5]

I speak enough Mandarin to get by but if you follow my instructions they will know what you want. No pics from me, I just enjoy myself and move on. Too much risk keeping photos around!


Good report. Looks like you speak Mandarin so you can get info from the girls.

Will try this place when I am there.

Any pictures you can share?

[Tryfor5]

I checked out Panglin and Sunshine, they have nice looking girls but I didn't get the feel that they had full or half service (no wink wink going on when discussing options). I could be wrong though. Too bad as the girls were better than average.

Thanks to ChinaFun for the specific recommendations. They sound great and will have to try them out next time.


Panglin Hotel SPA doesnot offer any services. Just plain regular massage.

[Specialed69]

Hi LukeSkywalker,

Great Name!

If you plan to visit Changping I recommend you stay at the Eurasia. I have their link for you.

http://www.dgeahotel.com/en/contactus.aspx

They have a massive KTV but girls can come to the comfort of your room without doing the KTV thing. This is much safer then punting on the street. Get their around 6:30pm for the flower show, they have around 300 girls to choose from spread over 3 floors. The girls are split in to categories and this is easy to determine as they wear different colour dresses, just ask someone to tell you the prices.

As for Luhou, there is a street a couple of blocks away from the Shangrila where you can choose your girls. I recommend this over using the mammasans as you can see before you try. Not far from the Shangri La there is the Petrel Hotel. On the 19th floor is the biggest sauna / brothel in Luhou and the price is around 400rmb for 90 minutes full service. Below is the address loads of nice girls there and much better then the "pink" buildings near Seibu.

Petrel Hotel.

&20301; &20110; &32645; &28246; – &28145; &22323; &24066; &21312; , &28145; &22323; , &20013; &22269;

Petrel Mansion Jiabin Road Luohu Area

Shenzhen, Guangdong 518000 China.

www.casualencounterschina.com

Has photos and addresses of saunas in Luhou and also out at Dongguan (Changping).

I look forward to your reports and perhaps some photos. May the force be with you.I went to the Petrel Mansion on jiu bin to check the place out. There is no suana on the 19th floor, it is on the 28th floor. Decent service at 238 rmb for a 90 min massage however it is not FS; at least the guy at the counter and the nice lady I selected both maintained that. The suana girl did give me her cell number and promised to meet me the next day at my hotel for FS however I had a flight out of shenzhen the next morning.

[ChinaFun]

I went to the Petrel Mansion on jiu bin to check the place out. There is no suana on the 19th floor, it is on the 28th floor. Decent service at 238 rmb for a 90 min massage however it is not FS; at least the guy at the counter and the nice lady I selected both maintained that. The suana girl did give me her cell number and promised to meet me the next day at my hotel for FS however I had a flight out of shenzhen the next morning.Hi Specialed69,

Sorry for the bum steer, you are correct it is on the 28th floor! I have been there twice and had FS but that was nearly 6 months ago so perhaps things have changed. Pity you had to fly out the next day and could not take the girl up on her offer. What service were you given at the Petrel Hotel?

Here is a place I guarantee you will get FS. You will have a choice of around 20 girls. The rooms are clean and you have your own private shower in the room.

Fukuda California sauna

Chinese name. &31119; &30000; &21152; &24030; &26705; &25343;

&31119; &30000; &21312; &33775; &24375; &21335; &36335; &28657; &27827; &22823; &36947; &26049;

3rd Floor.

Huaqiang Road, Futian District, near Binhe on the corner.

Price 458 yuan / 90 minutes – 2 shots

See the map I have attached. It is on the same corner as the Seoul Hotel just across the steet.

Seoul Hotel.

2048&21495; Huaqiang South Road, Futian, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.

It is in the Shenzhen Wuxiandian building.

Hope you have fun.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi Specialed69,

Sorry for the bum steer, you are correct it is on the 28th floor! I have been there twice and had FS but that was nearly 6 months ago so perhaps things have changed. Pity you had to fly out the next day and could not take the girl up on her offer. What service were you given at the Petrel Hotel?

Here is a place I guarantee you will get FS. You will have a choice of around 20 girls. The rooms are clean and you have your own private shower in the room.

Fukuda California sauna

Chinese name. &31119; &30000; &21152; &24030; &26705; &25343;

&31119; &30000; &21312; &33775; &24375; &21335; &36335; &28657; &27827; &22823; &36947; &26049;

3rd Floor.

Huaqiang Road, Futian District, near Binhe on the corner.

Price 458 yuan / 90 minutes – 2 shots

See the map I have attached. It is on the same corner as the Seoul Hotel just across the steet.

Seoul Hotel.

2048&21495; Huaqiang South Road, Futian, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.

It is in the Shenzhen Wuxiandian building.

Hope you have fun.To Chinafun,

There are no such thing as guarantee FS in Shenzhen sauna, there are crack down all the time here and I been to Petrel many time for over 12 yr sevice and Quality is way down from 5 yr ago and I know the management there well and yes there been time that they don't offer FS because of crack down.

Fast Eddie 48

[ChinaFun]

To Chinafun,

There are no such thing as guarantee FS in Shenzhen sauna, there are crack down all the time here and I been to Petrel many time for over 12 yr sevice and Quality is way down from 5 yr ago and I know the management there well and yes there been time that they don't offer FS because of crack down.

Fast Eddie 48Hi Fast Eddie 48,

I guess I should replace the word "guarantee" with "good chance" for FS at California. I have been to California around 15 times in the last two years and have been lucky enough to receive FS every time.

What other places can you recommend?

ChinaFun

[Shbman]

I can confirm 100% this report is on the money. The hotel above is also GF friendly. When done, you can also get your hair cut down at street level.


This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every other hotel has. But go to the front of the hotel starting at 9 PM and there will be someone who will approach you to pitch their services. Do not speak to them in Mandarin as they are very worried about police action. Use English or some other foreign but common language and flash your foreign passport / I'd to ensure you are not police and tell them you are interested in either "half" or "full" service, they will know what you want. I believe half is just under 300 RMB and just under 400 for full.

Follow the host up to the second floor where they will hand you off to someone else. You will undress and change into either questionable silk robes or cheap disposable robes, have the option to shower in the crappy open shower room, and then go to the equally crappy sitting room. There you can have either a foot massage or a pedicure. I suggest the foot massage though it isn't very good and either service will set you back an "optional" tip. They will also offer you a choice of beverages and here you will have to either speak Mandarin or go for the basic "water / tea / coffee / juice." You can rest here as long as you want until you signal to any of the waiting people that you are ready to move on. It's kind of nice to sit here as every so often you get to see the massage girls walk by and you can get an idea of what you want.

At this point they will bring you to the rear of the massage rooms for more privacy. You may be asked several times what kind of massage you want and you will have to keep repeating half / full service. They will bring one girl at a time for you to accept or reject (I do hate rejecting them to their faces) and the selection varies as not all girls offer either or both services.

Once you have selected the girl, you take off the robe but keep the shorts on and she will have you lie down for a basic massage which becomes more and more intimate. Try and talk to the girls and make them laugh as the service improves if they feel some connection with you. Eventually she will ask if you are ready and she will turn down the lights, take off her clothing, and play time begins. Just about everything is available with full service but you will have to respect the boundaries of individual girls. I had an excellent GFE experience and would happily go back for more. She spends the entire 90 minutes with you whether you finish early or not though I do believe it is one pop only.

The phone will ring when everything is done and someone will escort you back to the resting room where they will deliver another drink if you like. Go ahead and change whenever you like and the locker room boys will deliver you a plastic cup filled with water on a tray with helpful "TIP" written on it. 10 RMB is fine though I don't know what the standard here is. Then you proceed to the front desk to pay up. If you are a resident at the hotel they will deduct 20 RMB from the bill if you show your room card.

The public areas are pretty poor but the massage room was OK if basic. But the excellent GFE service I got from a very cute girl with an excellent body and even better attitude were fully worth it to me. 400 RMB is slightly higher than the cheap street action but from my experience, which I will relate at another time, this was far more enjoyable to me.

The girl I had service me is named A-Fang (pronounced "ahh-fong") and I really can't recommend her enough. She says the girls are available for take out and you can also get their numbers to arrange services directly for another time which may save you some money as well. I believe they may even be willing to go LT at your room in the hotel but this is up to the individual girl.

[SteelBaton]

Can a member with some experience in the villages tell me what time they start to get active? I am looking for some action between 5:00 pm and 9:00 pm. Anything going on there or should I just catch the train to CP? Cheers! Steel.


Same price level at the "villages" but with much higher chance to get very pretty girls. In the near of the Luohu train station is Luohu Cun (just cross the street Ren Min Nan Lu when you come from the above place with the mamasans) , Xiang Xi Cun (a village near to Queens Spa) , Hubei Cun (quite hard to explain, walk from Dongmen shooping area across Dongmen Lu over the bridge, walk along the street Hubei Lu to the first road crossing, turn left, walk some 100 m along seafood restaurants and look on the right side until you see the entrance of a village) behind Hubei Cun comes Huang Bei Ling (too hard to explain, but there is metro station there too) and several connected villages, starts behind MixC all along the Ju Yuan, Ke Xue Guan, Hua Qiang Bei, and so on, you can walk there some 15+ km if you need to check a thousand girls before having fun).

[Kuken18]

Can a member with some experience in the villages tell me what time they start to get active? I am looking for some action between 5:00 pm and 9:00 pm. Anything going on there or should I just catch the train to CP? Cheers! Steel.Could you enlighten the unenlightened of what "the villages" is?

[Cooler Wolf2]

Could you enlighten the unenlightened of what "the villages" is?It's very simple; 'cun' means village in Chinese (pinyin).

Read the post by Domim again, and everything will be clear.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Hi Fast Eddie 48,

I guess I should replace the word "guarantee" with "good chance" for FS at California. I have been to California around 15 times in the last two years and have been lucky enough to receive FS every time.

What other places can you recommend?

ChinaFunTo China fun.

Don't be suprise next time you visit this Sauna there will be a sign said closed for remodeling, crack down happen all the time many sauna closed down for a month and reopen and some closed down for good or stop offer FS.

Fast Eddie 48

[xmathguy]

Just a disappointing data point on Xing Xin Cun: paid a 3 am visit (Saturday night / Sunday am) to alleys as Shenzhen's nightlife / traffic was beginning to wind down.

Alleys were relatively desolate, but couple of mamasans / papasans silently pointed me to a door. Took the bait 3-4 times to look, but quickly disappointed, usually only single girl available. Sad. This is quite unlike a year or two back, when alleys were filled with abundant talent . And a few pushy mommies.

Didn't check earlier in evening or daytime, so need to report back.


Can a member with some experience in the villages tell me what time they start to get active? I am looking for some action between 5:00 pm and 9:00 pm. Anything going on there or should I just catch the train to CP? Cheers! Steel.

[Fast Eddie 48]

Just a disappointing data point on Xing Xin Cun: paid a 3 am visit (Saturday night / Sunday am) to alleys as Shenzhen's nightlife / traffic was beginning to wind down.

Alleys were relatively desolate, but couple of mamasans / papasans silently pointed me to a door. Took the bait 3-4 times to look, but quickly disappointed, usually only single girl available. Sad. This is quite unlike a year or two back, when alleys were filled with abundant talent. And a few pushy mommies.

Didn't check earlier in evening or daytime, so need to report back.To Xmathguy.

The best time to hit the Village is after midnight to 3am some KTV girl that get left over will freelance to made some extra money so quality is better, during day time from 2pm to 7pm there are some girl most are new girl from Hunan and hubei quality is low and during the hr between 8pm to mid night the LE patrol the area most mamasan and girl go hide, the area behind Shangril La hotel the most girl are freelance, they will go to the apartment when the mamasan call them on the cell phone they don't stay at the apartment.

Fast Eddie 48

[Tryfor5]

My experience differs a little bit. Between 10 PM and midnight was fine for the normal WG (not KTV). But definitely nothing up until 10 PM. Might as well grab something to eat, a massage, or watch TV until then as you're just wasting your time.


To Xmathguy.

The best time to hit the Village is after midnight to 3am some KTV girl that get left over will freelance to made some extra money so quality is better, during day time from 2pm to 7pm there are some girl most are new girl from Hunan and hubei quality is low and during the hr between 8pm to mid night the LE patrol the area most mamasan and girl go hide, the area behind Shangril La hotel the most girl are freelance, they will go to the apartment when the mamasan call them on the cell phone they don't stay at the apartment.

Fast Eddie 48

[ShenzhenSimon]

I have been reading so much about Changping I thought I better go experience it for myself.

As I don't speak Chinese and have no friends outside the work environment I wasn't sure how I was going to manage this.

Luckily through a link on www.casualencounterschina.com I got in contact with a guy named Tony who organised my accomodation and transport to CP.

I could only stay for the weekend and was only looking for sauna / massage action.

To my amazement I was able to get some back door action with one of the girls something I have not been able to achieve in Shenzhen. The attitude seemed better than the usual girls I choose near the Shangri La and the price was not much more.

I hope to get one more visit in before in return home.

Attached are some photos.

[Savethe7]

Not too sure how much help this will be, probably more for the guys who don't speak the language and can't get around too well on their own.

I flew into Hong Kong and caught the ferry over from the airport, only 30 minutes and very easy to do and then one stop on the subway to Seaworld. I originally stayed at the Honlux apartments, I found out the hard way they are not girl friendly when I brought a KTV girl back. They asked for her I'd which she didn't have, I later found out the cops are in there a lot and if they find a girl with a foreigner they will call her family and tell them what she is doing so most girls won't go there even with I'd.

I switched hotels to the Fuzon which also rents rooms by the hour so they are definitely girl friendly, I took a few girls there and no one even looked at us. It's not as nice as the Honlux and there's no nonsmoking rooms but if you want girls it's a good option.

I was there for work and had to do some flying around in China as well so not as much fun time as I would have liked but I did have some good nights in the Seaworld area. My thoughts:

In the Seaworld plaza: There's a new place called iBar, a couple of the owners used to have bars in the chicken alley area, it's pretty straight until midnight or so when the girls loosen up and they have a back room as well. Good place if you are on your own and only speak English, always someone there who can translate for you.

Terrace bar upstairs, gets very busy, good chance to pick up some freebies if you want to put the work in, also a lot of bar girls end up there around 2 or later.

Sunrise bar, not quite in the plaza but close and as the name implies it goes until sunrise if you want to go hard all night, doesn't get going until 3 or so.

In chicken alley: I usually went to Why Not? Bar, especially on nights when I went by myself as I know the owner Sandy and I knew I wouldn't get into any trouble. No sex in the bar but I did end up in one of the upstairs rooms one night with 3 girls taking turns giving my HJ / BJ. I took Lucy out one day, was ok, nice girl but not very memorable and cost $800 RMB, I tried very hard to get Anna who has an incredible body but mama wouldn't let her go with guys yet. The girls try very hard to get you to buy them drinks at $40 RMB each so you need to be very aware of what you are spending there, if the girl likes you she will be very affectionate and I would make it very clear to them if you're not getting a lot of groping etc they aren't getting drinks.

I was in there one night and an American guy blew $4000 RMB in there trying to get Anna and she wanted nothing to do with him but was happy to take his money, I was talking to his friend and it was the guy's first time in China and he was going a little crazy. When he left to get more cash to settle his bill Anna was in my lap in half a second and when he came back that's when her and the other girls took me upstairs to hide from him. So the moral is make sure the girl is really into you before spending on her or some other guy will be enjoying the blow job you should have gotten.

I also went to Casablanca's and unfortunately it was my last night, met a girl named Coco and hit it off very well, within 15 or 20 minutes she made it very clear that she wanted to spend the night with me and the sooner we left the better. Very enthusiastic sex but not very skilled, between the night and next morning we went at it a few times and she stayed with me until I had to go to the airport. I think if I had met her earlier in my trip she would have happily spend every night with me, gave her $800 RMB in the morning as we were leaving and she was very appreciative, I don't think she was expecting anything from her reaction. It is a much smaller place than Why Not? And only a few girls but decent quality the night I was there, there was another girl with a very impressive rack as well and if they are both there the next time I go I think I will take both.

My last experience was at a bar near Fuzon hotel, sort of across the street from Cafe Luna and a couple doors over from Martini's, the guy I was with called it the key bar but I don't know the actual name. The girls there are a lot different than chicken alley, they don't push for drinks, they basically ask if you want to take them out right off the bat and if you say no or maybe later they leave you alone. There were a couple nice looking ones there and the mama handles everything so if you and the girl you pick can't communicate she takes care of it and you pay her not the girl. It was $300 for one and $500 RMB for the night, I took a girl for the night and she ended up getting a call at 4am and leaving, wasn't too impressed but while she looked good she wasn't great in bed so no great loss.

Overall it's easy to find a working girl even if all you can say is knee ha and shea shea but from my experiences while they are generally very enthusiastic and try hard they lack in skill, it also isn't exactly cheap fun unless you have someone who can take you to other areas and translate for you. It definitely isn't a place to go specifically for women but if you have to go for work there is fun to be had.

[SteelBaton]

Fast Eddie and others. Thanks for the suggestions and information on the Villages.

I am considering the following plan and would appreciate any feedback from those experienced in the region. I will be in Shenzhen only one night, middle of the week, I will arrive into HKG airport in the early afternoon and was planning on taking the ferry to Shenzhen and then a taxi to my hotel which is not far from the Shangri La. That should make it about 3:30 or 4:00 pm. Ideally, I'd like to find a fresh young girl in the villages sometime before 5:30 pm. If that fails then I will give up on Shenzhen and catch a train to CP. I have been to CP once before and had good luck with the BBS / chicken shops there for nice young take out. Hopefully I can be back in Shenzhen by 10:30 pm as I have an early breakfast meeting in Shenzhen and then have to fly out. So any thoughts?

- Is even looking in the villages likely to be a waste of time between 3:30 pm and 5:30 pm?

- Should I just go straight to CP and not waste the time in Shenzhen looking for pussy?

- Am I crazy to think of taking the train at 5:30 pm. Will it be crowded and difficult?

- Is it better to go from HKG airport directly to CP via mini van?

- Can I get a reasonable hotel in CP for a cheap enough price (rmb 1000-1500) just to use if for an afternoon?

Thanks for any thoughts!


To Xmathguy.

The best time to hit the Village is after midnight to 3am some KTV girl that get left over will freelance to made some extra money so quality is better, during day time from 2pm to 7pm there are some girl most are new girl from Hunan and hubei quality is low and during the hr between 8pm to mid night the LE patrol the area most mamasan and girl go hide, the area behind Shangril La hotel the most girl are freelance, they will go to the apartment when the mamasan call them on the cell phone they don't stay at the apartment.

Fast Eddie 48

[Csun213]

Fast Eddie and others. Thanks for the suggestions and information on the Villages.

I am considering the following plan and would appreciate any feedback from those experienced in the region. I will be in Shenzhen only one night, middle of the week, I will arrive into HKG airport in the early afternoon and was planning on taking the ferry to Shenzhen and then a taxi to my hotel which is not far from the Shangri La. That should make it about 3:30 or 4:00 pm. Ideally, I'd like to find a fresh young girl in the villages sometime before 5:30 pm. If that fails then I will give up on Shenzhen and catch a train to CP. I have been to CP once before and had good luck with the BBS / chicken shops there for nice young take out. Hopefully I can be back in Shenzhen by 10:30 pm as I have an early breakfast meeting in Shenzhen and then have to fly out. So any thoughts?

- Is even looking in the villages likely to be a waste of time between 3:30 pm and 5:30 pm?

- Should I just go straight to CP and not waste the time in Shenzhen looking for pussy?

- Am I crazy to think of taking the train at 5:30 pm. Will it be crowded and difficult?

- Is it better to go from HKG airport directly to CP via mini van?

- Can I get a reasonable hotel in CP for a cheap enough price (rmb 1000-1500) just to use if for an afternoon?

Thanks for any thoughts!I just came back from Shenzhen and CP about 2 weeks ago, in my opinion, I would just go straight to CP from HK airport. There are a lot more girls in CP and you will probably have more fun there than Shenzhen.

You can stay either at Clipper or Swan Lake Hotel which are pretty nice, in the center of the action and costs about 300rmb.

I would just stay there for the night and then just take an early train or taxi back to Shenzhen in the morning for your morning. There are so many girls and so cheap that you can probably do 2, 3 or until you get tired.

[SteelBaton]

Thanks for the thoughts. So did you find any action in SZ? What's your recommendation for the fastest, least hassle most comfortable way to get to CP from HKG airport. I am not afraid to spend a little money if it saves on the aggravation and time. (not going to take three trains and a bus!) Thanks.


I just came back from Shenzhen and CP about 2 weeks ago, in my opinion, I would just go straight to CP from HK airport. There are a lot more girls in CP and you will probably have more fun there than Shenzhen.

You can stay either at Clipper or Swan Lake Hotel which are pretty nice, in the center of the action and costs about 300rmb.

I would just stay there for the night and then just take an early train or taxi back to Shenzhen in the morning for your morning. There are so many girls and so cheap that you can probably do 2, 3 or until you get tired.

[SE Asia Joe]

Thanks for the thoughts. So did you find any action in SZ? What's your recommendation for the fastest, least hassle most comfortable way to get to CP from HKG airport. I am not afraid to spend a little money if it saves on the aggravation and time. (not going to take three trains and a bus!) Thanks.Go to the "Transportation to Mainland" area when you get out of HKG customs (area outside Exit A) and ask for the van to Chang Ping. HK$200 (?) should get you on a nice 7 seater van directly to the Miraton hotel in under 3 hours.

BTW. Do you also post on another HKG-centric site. Ones with 141 on it? Reason being a MickJag posting up approximately the same question you had posted SZ Vs. CP there.

It's weird as the question seems the same but asked in 2 totally different style / attitude.

Just wondering.

Thanks.

SEAJ

CP for 4 hours or SZ Villages from 3pm - 8pm?

Bros of SZ and CP experience, I need your wisdom.

The situation: I have a singleTuesday night in SZ with a mission-critical business meeting early morning Biz meeting the next day, so can't be out until midnight. BUT, I really want some sweet young pussy.

The options, as far as I can see:
1. Try my luck in the SZ Villages from 3 pm - 8 pm or so when it is reported the action goes dead due to LE (only to revive after midnight, but too late for me...), or
2. Waste no time and just go up to CP, find a SYT or two in the BBS/chicken shops, take them back to a RMB 300 hotel for a few hours, then catch the train down to SZ.

Why even consider the Villages? I have done CP a few times and know that scene. However I am intrigued by some of the reports of the Villages: e.g. a chance to sample very fresh young girls just off the farm. Sounds like an experience and I kinda like those sorts of rough and ready places. Reminds me of Cambodia in 1996 (see Jack the Bat's excellent reports on that), not that I am expecting anything that great.

So:
- am a crazy fuck to even expect any quality from the Villages that time of day?
- is it a such a pain in the ass to get to/from CP that I should find an SZ option of some sort even if it isn't likely to be very good?
- should I just stay at the hotel, wack-off early and get a good nights sleep so I don't risk fucking up my business cause I show up hungover?

Thanks for any suggestions or thoughts....

MJ

PS - they will be a report one way or another...

[Csun213]

Listen to SE Asia Joe since he is more knowledgeable than me about CP. I do know that it is about a 35 minute train ride from SZ to CP. I stayed at Swan Lake hotel which is right in the middle of the action. I also like Building A which is not part of the main hotel. It is right next door and there is no lobby therefore no walk of shame.

SE Asia Joe, it was nice to meet you in CP along with Larry and other guys.

[Enarchos]

Thank you guys for this forum.

Just got here yesterday and based on some of the chatter of this forum, I walked the villages of Shenzhen. I found myself popping in and out of all of these apartments around 10:00PM. With my very little Chinese, just knowing ting bu dong, bo hui and dou shou, I ventured into the village based on the most recent reports. I'm happy to say, I found some lookers. Girl #1 (Jojo) Petite, see-cup. 90lbs, early 20's and 5'2" with a great attitude and eager to please. Girl #2 (Bibi) ultra-tight fit body, be-cup. 5'6".110lbs, mid-20's, fully in control of her reflexes down there. I had no idea it would only cost me 150 RMB. They could've easily ripped me off because of my lack of Chinese but she they were very honest.

Thanks guys for all the info here. I'll be staying in Shenzhen until the 28th if anyone wants to hang out.

I'll be in vietnam beginning 03/28. 04/01 and then Guangzhou 04/01. 04/12

[SteelBaton]

Will you be around on the night of the 28th?


Thank you guys for this forum.

Thanks guys for all the info here. I'll be staying in Shenzhen until the 28th if anyone wants to hang out.

I'll be in vietnam beginning 03/28. 04/01 and then Guangzhou 04/01. 04/12

[Raverboy]

Planning my next trip to CP and will likely be flying into SZX instead of CAN as I did previously. I have read the last 50 pages of this thread.

Due to a late arrival (approx 11 pm) , I was considering heading straight to Water Cube (Futian) or Queens (Luohu) to spend the night as most of these type of SNs offer a place to crash for free if you arrive after a certain time, say 12 midnight. The downside to this is the very high cost of FS (also not guaranteed at these saunas) and well, I'm sorta stuck there for the night as I obviously won't be able to bring anyone back for a romp.

The other option would be a late check-in at a hotel and hit the bars (Soho or Le Loft) to search for talent.

Wondering if any frequent SZX travellers can offer some suggestions.

Lastly and apologies for off-topic, but can anyone recommend a good place to shop for off season leather jackets in SZX? Would Dongmen Walking Street be ideal? I would only have time for 1 area before I have to head off to CP in the afternoon.

Thanks in advance.

[Loveasiangirls]

Planning my next trip to CP and will likely be flying into SZX instead of CAN as I did previously. I have read the last 50 pages of this thread.

Due to a late arrival (approx 11 pm) , I was considering heading straight to Water Cube (Futian) or Queens (Luohu) to spend the night as most of these type of SNs offer a place to crash for free if you arrive after a certain time, say 12 midnight. The downside to this is the very high cost of FS (also not guaranteed at these saunas) and well, I'm sorta stuck there for the night as I obviously won't be able to bring anyone back for a romp.

The other option would be a late check-in at a hotel and hit the bars (Soho or Le Loft) to search for talent.

Wondering if any frequent SZX travellers can offer some suggestions.

Lastly and apologies for off-topic, but can anyone recommend a good place to shop for off season leather jackets in SZX? Would Dongmen Walking Street be ideal? I would only have time for 1 area before I have to head off to CP in the afternoon.

Thanks in advance.FS at Queens? Really? Did not know that. Going to SZ in less than 2 weeks. It has been a while, hopefully prices have not changed too much.

[Raverboy]

FS at Queens? Really? Did not know that. Going to SZ in less than 2 weeks. It has been a while, hopefully prices have not changed too much.I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that extras could be had with their inflated 'spa' packages. They start from just over RMB 1000.

[AsnDragon]

I have a source from a girl, who use to work at Queen Spa as a footie girl. She gave HJ to customers before when she worked there. The said that you need to be a VIP member and have your own private room. In addition, You need to develop a relationship with the footie girl. Then after a few visits you can ask them if they would give you extras.

Later on this girl ended up a Sauna girl in DG and told me all about how she was introduced to this line of work at the Queen Spa in Shenzhen.

I don't know about FS though. That seems to be a bit of a stretch. But then again, anything goes if you have your private room. Not too sure if a 1000 RMB package really gets your anything special though. Tips and everything is suppose to be separated from your real service fee.

Just what I heard from a trusted source.

AsnDragon.


I might be mistaken, but I was under the impression that extras could be had with their inflated 'spa' packages. They start from just over RMB 1000.

[Dani212]

Hi Fast Eddie 48,

I guess I should replace the word "guarantee" with "good chance" for FS at California. I have been to California around 15 times in the last two years and have been lucky enough to receive FS every time.

What other places can you recommend?

ChinaFunHi Bro, please could you localize California? Where is it?

Thanks in adv.

Dani

[SumFunGuy88]

Hey guys, new member here. There seems to be tons of information and I'm having trouble sifting through everything. I'll be coming to Sz April 15th. I will leave China and head to hk on the 21st. I want to spend the first couple of days in sz but after that, I'm open to travelling to other areas. Can you guys recommend where are good places to go, places to stay and the best way to get there? (I saw a recommendation for days hotel in sz?) I've read about CP and some of the villages but I'm not too confident I can find all these places by myself. LOL Any help would be appreciated! Also, if anyone wants to meetup during my trip and show me around, the beers are on me! A little background about myself, I'm Chinese and can speak Cantonese. I cannot read Chinese or speak mandarin. Feel free to pm me if there is information that should't be posted publicly.

[Enarchos]

Will you be around on the night of the 28th?Sorry, already in Vietnam now and will be posting some reviews later for Ho Chi Minh City. Will be back in Shenzhen on 04-01 to 4-02 and then on my way to Guangzhou / Changpin area. My subscription just ran out on ISG so I have to wait 24 hours for it to be reinstated and you can PM later to coordinate.

[Qiao Han]

Where you coming from? Hong Kong airport? If so you can get a ferry to Shekou and walk to chicken alley and Seaworld. There are plenty of bars, but a lot of these girls don't come from Guangdong and speak only putonghua and English. Seaworld bars get busy after 1 or 2am and you can get a cheap room at 7 days inn just a short walk up Taizi Lu or the Haitao near chicken alley, a narrow street behind Taizi Lu between the ferry and Seaworld. Girl prices around here start around 300 - 600 for short time depending of course on the girl. Good luck! Try Lisa at the Swallow (!) bar in chicken alley. Cute sichuan girl who will ask you "want some pussy? want some boom boom?" She's a lotta fun but definitely not tight. Good luck!

[ChinaFun]

Hi Bro, please could you localize California? Where is it?

Thanks in adv.

DaniHi Dani212,

Follow the below directions to get to California Club.

Go to the Seoul Hotel (Address Below)

2048 Huaqiang South Road, Futian, Shenzhen, Guangdong, China.

Walk across the pedestrian bridge to cross the road and walk in to the Radio Management Building (on the corner).

From memory it is the 3rd floor but just say massage to the guy in the foyer and he will know what you want.

Have Fun!

[ChinaFun]

Hi Guys,

Does anyone know of a website / forum for Shenzhen or Guangzhou which lists girls QQ numbers?

Here is one for Shanghai which I have used a couple of times.

http://www.aishedes.com/forum-37-1.html

To meet these girls you will need to have some Chinese language skill.

Thanks,

ChinaFun

[Sky Ryder]

FS at Queens? Really? Did not know that. Going to SZ in less than 2 weeks. It has been a while, hopefully prices have not changed too much.I am pretty sure that you can find the leather stuff at the LoHou know market, it is the 5/6 story building in the same complex as the train station. I would also suggest that you consider coming directly to CP and getting sauna room there, the pricing may be a little better and you will already be in town for the next day.

Just a thought. BSD can arrange transport for you at just about anytime you need.

Sky

[SumFunGuy88]

I'll be coming from kowloon in hk. I'll be visiting China for about a week or so. Thanks for the tips. Any tips on the villages or can you suggest a place to stay in CP or other places to go? I'm open to travelling a bit by train.

[Loveasiangirls]

Was recently back in SZ after a two-year absence (maybe a bit more). There must be over 100 subway stations more than on my last visit.

I was staying at the Crowne Plaza Landmark near Luohu.

In the past I never bothered to search too much and again just used the tout around the hotel. I paid 350RMB which was 50RMB more than last time. Maybe I overpaid, not sure. The girls were ok, maybe 7 out of 10 or 6 in one case (chubby one). Last night I asked for young one. The girls sent was small (definitely over 18 though) and a bit lazy (no BJ) but the tight body made up for it.

For the last evening I was exchanging SMS with him and asked him for younger girls than the first two (who were in the second half of their 20s). He proposed a virgin for 2500RMB. I declined as I had no interest in a virgin. I also figure she is probably a fake virgin!

All in all not the greatest experience but not bad for the price and the fact that I did not have to run around town to find a girl. You need to be specific about the type of girl.

[Firebird]

Will be staying in Shezhen for some time and do not want to upset the "market". For 2 hour ST. Is 400 too much? Not enough?

Do not want to be cheap either.

Thanks to the experts

[Fast Eddie 48]

Will be staying in Shezhen for some time and do not want to upset the "market". For 2 hour ST. Is 400 too much? Not enough?

Do not want to be cheap either.

Thanks to the expertsTo Firebird

This is not a very clear question it all depend on where you go and the Quality of the girl, I can get girl at the village bbs for st time for 150 rmb or go to a low end sauna all over Shenzhen for 300-400 rmb 90 min, if you go to high end sauna or KTV yes it not enough you need to bring more rmb.

Fast Eddie 48

[Astigmata]

Hey guys,

Newbie here. I'll be in Goodview Tangxia from tonight (LOL) to the 20th of April. Let me know if anyone wants to go there together or if your willing to let me join in yours :P I'm a fun, friendly, easy to be with sort of Chinese guy and of course fair when it comes to the total bill.

Please send me a tell / message here. Hope to join or be joined during my stay here.

[Da Dicknotist]

This place was the best experience I had so far in Shenzhen so I'm going to start here first.

This hotel is on Shennan East Road just up the street from the Panglin Hotel. There is a sauna on the second floor just like every other hotel has. But go to the front of the hotel starting at 9 PM and there will be someone who will approach you to pitch their services. Do not speak to them in Mandarin as they are very worried about police action. Use English or some other foreign but common language and flash your foreign passport / I'd to ensure you are not police and tell them you are interested in either "half" or "full" service, they will know what you want. I believe half is just under 300 RMB and just under 400 for full.Wow! No Chinese forum has mentioned this place having FS, and I'm a VIP of the hotel, so I'm just curious how you found out this place has FS?

[Da Dicknotist]

Walked through XiangXiCun at around 2am to 2:30. Some decent chicks in the alley but none really worth my money. A pimp I know pushed pretty hard for a "new" girl, who was probably the best of the lot I saw, but "new" is code for dead fish. Maybe 6 shops open, each with 3-6, plus another 6 outside? A couple really old ones, pimp to WG ratio maybe 1:1.

Went to the "night market", what a joke, saw 5 girls and none were really worth thinking about. Pimp to WG ratio was about 10:1.

Slow night. I guess everyone was preparing for the Champions League. May walk around after the match to see if there are more girls, at least certainly there will be more punters.

[Neverflw]

Wow! No Chinese forum has mentioned this place having FS, and I'm a VIP of the hotel, so I'm just curious how you found out this place has FS?Went there around noon, directly taking the elevvator to the 5th floor. Don't mind the security guys in the lobby; they might be in on it as well.

Advertised price was 500 for FS, and they wouldn't negotiate.

Girls were presented one at a time: first one saw the laowei, and excused herself, second average looks, third one likewise but otherwise ok, but rejected both too.

Guy comes back, and says that's all the girls they have, so asked whether I want #1, #2 or #3. Settled on #3.

Basic massage was like 60 seconds, before going on to business.

It was rather disappointing, having that limited choice and only so-so looking girls. Maybe there are better times to go there than noon.

[RonnieRoludo]

Hi guys,

Do anybody know which bar / disco in Shenzhen that is the best for picking girls up?

I mean, those kind of places similar the ones in Wanchai.

Thanks a lot.

[Emzchi]

Dear all of you, at the end of this month. 3 italian big bosses of my company are coming for some days in SZ.

I think I'll need to provide them some enterteinment after dinner and I should provide them good-top class service. What would you suggest me?

I'm thinking to some very good KTVs, even if I don't like this kind of things. What about some good saunas with happy ending. HJ, BJ, FS?

Thanks

[ChinaFun]

Hi guys,

Do anybody know which bar / disco in Shenzhen that is the best for picking girls up?

I mean, those kind of places similar the ones in Wanchai.

Thanks a lot.Hi Ronnie,

Shekou has lots of bars where it is easy to meet girls. Try the Terrace Bar. Easy!

I can also suggest the bars near Coco Park in Futian.

Cheers

[ChinaFun]

Hi Guys,

If you like QQ girls check out www.casualencounterschina.com

I have attached a few pics from the site.

Another good site is www.u161.com

I have heard there is a crackdown happening in Shenzhen at the moment? Is this true?

[LukeSkywalker]

Is full service available at SZ's massage places.

Looks like they advertise it costs 198 to 218 RMB for the hour.


Hi Guys,

If you like QQ girls check out.

www.casualencounterschina.com

I have attached a few pics from the site.

Another good site is.

www.u161.com

I have heard there is a crackdown happening in Shenzhen at the moment? Is this true?

[LukeSkywalker]

Where is the Night Market relative to XiangXiCun? Please post directions how to get there.


Walked through XiangXiCun at around 2am to 2:30. Some decent chicks in the alley but none really worth my money. A pimp I know pushed pretty hard for a "new" girl, who was probably the best of the lot I saw, but "new" is code for dead fish. Maybe 6 shops open, each with 3-6, plus another 6 outside? A couple really old ones, pimp to WG ratio maybe 1:1.

Went to the "night market", what a joke, saw 5 girls and none were really worth thinking about. Pimp to WG ratio was about 10:1.

Slow night. I guess everyone was preparing for the Champions League. May walk around after the match to see if there are more girls, at least certainly there will be more punters.

[RonnieRoludo]

Hi Ronnie,

Shekou has lots of bars where it is easy to meet girls. Try the Terrace Bar. Easy!

I can also suggest the bars near Coco Park in Futian.

CheersThank you ChinaFun. Is it easy to find Terrace Bar in Shekou?

I was planning a visit to Club Viva. Have you been there before? Is it like Terrace Bar?

Thanks a lot.

[Bowerboy]

The alleyways near the Pangolin and Sunshine hotel are still alive and kicking.

Service there is absolutely TERRIBLE but some pretty cute girls.

Strictly a day time place it seems. 1pm to 4 pm seems best and by 5pm its pretty much all over.

[LukeSkywalker]

Appreciate the intelligence.

The alley across the street from Panglin hotel and behind the old Seibu building used to be hopping with young girls day and night.

I remember walking through the alleys at 6 AM 2 years ago and found 10-15 young girls hanging out.

There were nights when hundreds of young girls were hanging out eating, drinking, talking. Waiting to pick up johns.

There were raids off and on then. The alleys were quiet for a few days then the girls came back again.

I had a few of the prettiest and sweetest girls in China in these alleys of Xiang Xi Cun.

Keep checking and reporting where, when and how you can fidn the girls.


The alleyways near the Pangolin and Sunshine hotel are still alive and kicking.

Service there is absolutely TERRIBLE but some pretty cute girls.

Strictly a day time place it seems. 1pm to 4 pm seems best and by 5pm its pretty much all over.

[JohnnyGolfr]

Hi Guys,

If you like QQ girls check out.

www.casualencounterschina.com

I have attached a few pics from the site.

Another good site is.

www.u161.com

I have heard there is a crackdown happening in Shenzhen at the moment? Is this true?How do you contact the QQ girls? I tried entering the QQ numbers. But the search yields nothing. Am I missing something?

[Bowerboy]

Hi Luke.

The first time I went to those alleys was about 3 years ago. In all honesty they are a LOT quieter now then they were then. A lot less girls now overall.

I thought it had closed completely and was surprised to still see some girls there which is why I reported it but still a far cry from what it was even 3 years ago.

One girl I took today had some of the most amazing tits I have seen in a very long time.

BB

[LukeSkywalker]

I was in Houjie for a couple days 3 years ago.

Went to the Sheraton KTV and got a few very pretty young girls.

Wonder if the Sheraton, Cinese, Kandin club etc. In Houjie are still going strong?

Any bro knows the current situation in Houjie? Please advise.

I may swing by Houjie after Changping the next visit.


Hi Luke.

The first time I went to those alleys was about 3 years ago. In all honesty they are a LOT quieter now then they were then. A lot less girls now overall.

I thought it had closed completely and was surprised to still see some girls there which is why I reported it but still a far cry from what it was even 3 years ago.

One girl I took today had some of the most amazing tits I have seen in a very long time.

BB

[ChinaFun]

Is full service available at SZ's massage places.

Looks like they advertise it costs 198 to 218 RMB for the hour.The last few times I have had full service it has cost me 388rmb which gave me 2 shots in 100 minutes.

I think the advertised rates is just rub and' tug service (happy ending)

[ChinaFun]

How do you contact the QQ girls? I tried entering the QQ numbers. But the search yields nothing. Am I missing something?Hi JohnnyGolfr,

On your QQ chat program select seach contacts and type in the number (don't type the. 2.3 etc).

Once they accept you can chat to them or enter their QQ Zone to see pics. * represents the number.

http://. Qzone. Qq. Com/

Here are some QQ girls I have met recently be advised the pictures rarely match the girl who knocks on your door but everyone I have had has been gorgeous and served me well.

QQ1985918197, QQ1310861588, QQ934503069 and QQ897687271.

www.casualencounterschina.com Has a small selection of QQ girls in Shenzhen.

[Da Dicknotist]

Where is the Night Market relative to XiangXiCun? Please post directions how to get there.Come out of the XiangXiCun alleys, and walk along JiaBin Road east. Turn right on XiangXi Road. Walk past the Bank of China ATM, and you should get to a Jia Yi Supermarket. Turn left past the supermarket, there's some kind of quickie motel there, and I think the place is called "Xiang Xi Hua Yuan". This alley has a bunch of fish places, hair salons, etc. Both in this alley and the alley that's northwest of it there are girls and a ton of touts. If you walk around around 10pm to 2am, you'll be sure to find them.

Alternatively, ask for Qian1 Li3 Xiang1 Kao3 Yu2. That's one of those fish places that's pretty well regarded.